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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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it is 2:00.

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Today is -- this is our final

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board meeting of 2025.

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Before we begin let's take a

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moment for a moment silence.

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[Moment of silence]

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Thank you so much.

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Please stand, if you are able,

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the pledge of allegiance.

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>>> I pledge allegiance to the

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flag of the united states of

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america and to the republic for

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which it stands, one nation

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under GOD, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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before we go through with our

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formal agenda I would like to

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get a motion to waive the rules

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of procedure and approve the

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request to participate remotely

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through electronic

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communications means.

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>> so moved

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>> second.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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any discussion?

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Let's go ahead and

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take our vote

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>> vote unanimous supervisor

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angry absent from vote.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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all right.

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Is he present on the screen?

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>> Victor Angry: yes, ma'am.

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I'm here.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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sorry you are feeling bad, but

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I'm also spreading out and we

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are going to be taking up some

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your space.

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Without let's go to agenda item

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number four.

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I mean, get out of my way, yes

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lee.

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First of all, we have 4a.

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Unfortunately she is not well

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so we will not be proceeding

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with 4a today.

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I'm going to go ahead and do 4b

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and 4c separately.

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Before actually go over there

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let's do approval of the

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minutes from NOVEMBER 18.

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And I get a motion?

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All right.

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I will give it to supervisor

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stewart.

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Any discussion?

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If not

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, let's go ahead and take

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our vote.

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>> supervisor angry?

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Vote unanimous.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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now we are going to move to

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commendations and

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proclamations.

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So again 4a we are pulling that

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as the recipient is not well.

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4b and 4c I'm going to do

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separately.

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Can I get a motion?

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It has been properly moved and

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seconded.

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Any discussion?

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Let's go ahead and take our

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vote.

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>> supervisor angry on 4b?

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Motion passes 6/2 supervisors

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gordy and vega voting no.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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all right.

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And 4c I would like to get a

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motion.

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>> so moved.

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>> second.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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it has been properly moved and

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seconded.

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Any discussion?

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Let's go ahead and take our

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vote.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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for 4b, if you can join me.

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And then for 4c we have a very

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large group.

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I would like to take a brief

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recess so everyone on the dais

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can take a picture.

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Maybe we will find a way to

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photoshop you in, victor, I

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don't know.

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We will figure out something.

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If you can join me for the

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first one

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>> do we have anyone here from

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united workers?

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>> Margaret Angela Franklin:

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good afternoon.

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Tenants and workers united is a

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grassroots organization

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committed to building community

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power to win social and

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economic justice across

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northern virginia.

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For 39 years tenant workers

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united have been organizing low

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income communities of color to

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build power through community

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led campaigns for affordable

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housing, health equity,

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education justice, police

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accountability, immigrants

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rights and more.

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tenants and workers united have

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advocated the creation of the

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counties office a housing

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community development, the

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housing trust fund and

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affordable

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drilling ordinance.

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Enants and workers united is

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a ub summer institute program,

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the eastern prince william

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county.

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For middle and high school

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youth with the goal to provide

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leadership, educational

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workshops and guidance to

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ensure student success.

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Tenant workers united provides

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education and leadership

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development so people become

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change agents and proactive

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civic engagement to secure

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sustainable systemic changes

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that advance racial economic

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social justice across prince

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william.

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Therefore today the prince

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william board of county

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supervisors hereby recognizes

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and commends the outstanding

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efforts the tenants and workers

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united has contributed to

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prince william county

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residence.

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>> good afternoon

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CHAIRWOMAN

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Jefferson and supervisors.

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We are grateful and honored to

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be commended today

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Our organization has been

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around for many years in the

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community working alongside

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families, communities of color,

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and youth doing really

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impactful work

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We recognize it's not easy work

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so we appreciate being

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recognized

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thank you so much.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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all right.

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The next one for 4c.

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If anyone associated with this

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commendation wants to come down

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Come on folks.

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Don't be shy.

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I was wondering why we had such

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a large police presence and

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someone reminded me of this

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commendation.

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>> Kenny Boddye: thank you

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MADAM Trip recommend fire and

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rescue personnel

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, police

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department lakeridge residence

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on NOVEMBER 13, 2025.

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I will wait until everyone

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files in.

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I will note for the public this

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is the safest building in the

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county right now.

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[Laughter]

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On the evening of NOVEMBER 13,

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2025 a major gas leak caused by

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a water main rupture into

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hesitated the evacuation of 82

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residence.

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9:30 P.M. Prince william county

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firefighters and rescue workers

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responded to the area near

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contini place to investigate

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reports of leaking gas

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undetermined three inch gas

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line was severely damaged or in

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an excavation work but he

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residence of 65 townhomes in

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danger.

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The office of emergency

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management coordinated with the

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prince william county schools

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to provide immediate shelter at

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woodbridge high school for adt

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people, 11 whom were children

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with additional fire and rescue

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units providing evacuation and

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shelter support.

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roll in assisting lakeridge

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residence that night.

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The prince william county fire

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and rescue hazardous materials

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response unit

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, rehabbed units

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and safety and command

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officers.

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communications

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, prince william

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county police department,

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prince william county

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department of social services,

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washington gas and red cross.

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Therefore today the prince

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william board of supervisors

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commends the prince william

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county fire and rescue police

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department, department of

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social services, on the right

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drivers and other groups that

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help evacuate and assist

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lakeridge residence endangered

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by the gas leak in the

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townhouse community on NOVEMBER

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13, 2025.

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Thank you so much.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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we have a number of speakers.

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I will start with those closest

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entries, I'm going to have you

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take the opportunity to walk

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over here as well.

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I will start with you, MR.

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Schneider.

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Come on up if you

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have a few words.

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> yes, for brevity say,

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thank you for the opportunity.

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Unfortunately our chair could

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not be here, supervisor angry,

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but I'm really impressed by the

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avatar of his remote

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participation so we thank him

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for that.

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Are operators are

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about on the way home for the

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They put in a full day at work

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when the phone call came in.

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I want to thank our dispatcher

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was able to coordinate the

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researchers, supervisor melvin

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Melvin denton who led the team

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frank and patrick daily to the

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scene and they were able to

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provide the support

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We are thrilled to do it.

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You know us for our services

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but you might forget we are

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two-time transportation

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security administration award

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winner for the gold standard

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and we love supporting prince

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william county.

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[Applause]

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>> think is a much for this

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honor.

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On the deputy chief and I was

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the acting chief on the day the

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incident occurred.

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First one to say as the closest

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representatives of the citizens

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it's always a difficult thing

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for us to make these types of

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decisions

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.

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In the case of a gas leak, it's

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not what has happened already.

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The incident command is also

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responsible for what might

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happen.

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And that caused people to be in

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very uncomfortable conditions.

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We are glad there wasn't an

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injury or loss, but still

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difficult to be told in the

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middle of the night you must

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leave

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, and they don't get a

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whole lot more information.

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It's uncomfortable for

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firefighters.

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They wonderful equipment, for

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pathogens, for but they don't

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have explosion suits.

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They don't have suits that will

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protect them.

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As they are going until people

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get out of the dangerous

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situation, they are also in

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danger.

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This is your amazing team like

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all the work done.

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The fire and rescue units in

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here is the fire rescue system

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.

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We had units from nokesville,

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from dfr and multiple agencies

345
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were involved in this,

346
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obviously.

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Has met had a critical roll

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making sure we were evacuating

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and deciding based on the

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science that they were able to

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provide to.

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This is a very small part.

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With 18 units dispatched to

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this.

355
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There were 40 personnel.

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This is a representation of the

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people who were actually at

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work at that time.

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But they are amazing and I

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really appreciate this

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commendation for them.

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When they are working and

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working a large-scale incident

364
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like this, multiple agencies

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from oh wl to dale city are

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putting in the extra work at

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night to make sure the 9-1-1

368
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calls don't stop happening

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.

370
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It really is a systemwide

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event.

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And these people did a

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wonderful job.

374
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So thank you very much.

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[Applause]

376
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>> good afternoon.

377
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On behalf of the members of the

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department of public safety

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communications, I would like to

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thank the board for the

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positive recognition and for

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your continued support of

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public safety professionals who

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serve the community every day.

385
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Thank you.

386
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[Applause]

387
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>> good afternoon.

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I'm not going to repeat what

389
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everyone has said, but this is

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one of the reasons I really

391
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enjoy working in prince william

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county.

393
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It is also one of the reasons I

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feel safe about living in

395
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prince william county.

396
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If you look at the

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collaboration between on the

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right, the schools, community

399
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services, fire department,

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emergency management and then

401
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to have our elected leaders

402
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recognize it and say thank you

403
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means the world to us.

404
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So thank you for giving them.

405
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To our first responders who do

406
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this every single day.

407
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[Applause]

408
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>> good afternoon chair

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jefferson, members of the

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board.

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Phyllis jennings holt, director

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of social services.

413
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As he can see, this amazing

414
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group of people here.

415
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I was the caboose at the end.

416
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Social services, when I

417
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received the call from brian

418
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got into immediate action to

419
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find shelter for the families

420
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.

421
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That is part of the work that

422
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we do as a team.

423
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We have conversations in

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emergency management so thank

425
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you for the accommodation and

426
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I'm proud to be a part of the

427
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team and to help shelter the

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families that evening.

429
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Thank you.

430
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[Applause]

431
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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

432
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I know we listed a lot of

433
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organizations.

434
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Does anyone representative with

435
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come up.

436
00:16:05,208 --> 00:16:05,475
I don't know if nokesville

437
00:16:05,475 --> 00:16:05,808
volunteer.

438
00:16:05,808 --> 00:16:06,175
All right.

439
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I feel like

440
00:16:06,441 --> 00:16:08,441
saying this.

441
00:16:15,218 --> 00:16:16,219
Come on down!

442
00:16:16,219 --> 00:16:16,519
>> a number of you were with us

443
00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:18,519
last night.

444
00:16:20,823 --> 00:16:21,124
Thank you for seeing being here

445
00:16:21,124 --> 00:16:21,790
today.

446
00:16:21,790 --> 00:16:22,592
It's nice to be a part of a

447
00:16:22,592 --> 00:16:24,592
long time collaborative

448
00:16:26,261 --> 00:16:26,396
relationship

449
00:16:26,396 --> 00:16:27,290
.

450
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With the school division.

451
00:16:27,864 --> 00:16:31,464
My name is ryan crow with

452
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prince william county school

453
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security.

454
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Want to think say thank you to

455
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the people who came before us.

456
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When I worked in the door 30

457
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years ago these establish

458
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well-known we are fortunate it

459
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continues to stay with everyone

460
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using the room.

461
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If things go sideways, we know

462
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the most important thing is to

463
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take care of our citizens and

464
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we appreciate the invitation

465
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here today.

466
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Thank you.

467
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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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I don't see anyone else coming

469
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down so I'm going to ask the

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board, if we can come out for a

471
00:17:05,802 --> 00:17:06,169
quick picture.

472
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I mean quick.

473
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I know some of you like to chat

474
00:17:07,436 --> 00:17:08,710
and linger.

475
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I know who you are.

476
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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

477
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I really appreciate the first

478
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responders and I appreciate the

479
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people who come back to the

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dais.

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we are going to go ahead and

482
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move on to the consent agenda.

483
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I would like to ask if anyone

484
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would have anything that would

485
00:18:03,157 --> 00:18:03,991
like to pull.

486
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I'm going to poll 5j and trent

487
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eight.

488
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Does anyone have anything from

489
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the consent agenda they would

490
00:18:07,662 --> 00:18:09,662
like to poll?

491
00:18:11,766 --> 00:18:12,466
Don't see

492
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anything also I would like to

493
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get a motion for.

494
00:18:13,133 --> 00:18:15,133
Sorry.

495
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Upervisor vega

496
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.

497
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>> Yesli Vega: I was going to

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second.

499
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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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I would like to get a motion

501
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for 5a through 5I.

502
00:18:23,177 --> 00:18:25,646
It has been properly moved and

503
00:18:25,646 --> 00:18:27,646
seconded.

504
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Any discussion on those items?

505
00:18:30,170 --> 00:18:32,170
Supervisor bailey

506
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?

507
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>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

508
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nevermind.

509
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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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all right.

511
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Let's go ahead and take a vote

512
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for those items.

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>> supervisor angry?

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>> Victor Angry: aye.

515
00:18:56,711 --> 00:18:57,311
Thank you sir.

516
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Vote unanimous.

517
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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

518
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all right.

519
00:18:59,213 --> 00:19:00,214
The next item is 5j.

520
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Can I get a motion to move it

521
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forward?

522
00:19:03,150 --> 00:19:04,585
It has been properly

523
00:19:04,585 --> 00:19:06,585
moved and seconded.

524
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Any discussion?

525
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I'm sorry.

526
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Supervisor vega, did you have

527
00:19:23,170 --> 00:19:24,505
something

528
00:19:24,505 --> 00:19:25,473
.

529
00:19:25,473 --> 00:19:29,730
>> Yesli Vega: I did plan on

530
00:19:30,645 --> 00:19:31,646
pulling this item myself.

531
00:19:31,646 --> 00:19:32,680
i guess my questions are for

532
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,810
the county attorney since that

533
00:19:34,810 --> 00:19:34,315
is what is lifted here on the

534
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agenda.

535
00:19:34,882 --> 00:19:36,851
I understand there are two

536
00:19:36,851 --> 00:19:37,451
appeals and an additional 17

537
00:19:37,451 --> 00:19:39,451
assessment property cases.

538
00:19:44,391 --> 00:19:45,326
Is that correct?

539
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>> MS. Roble: manager members

540
00:19:46,270 --> 00:19:46,961
of the board, there are two

541
00:19:46,961 --> 00:19:48,290
appeals currently before the

542
00:19:48,290 --> 00:19:50,464
court of appeals and I believe

543
00:19:50,464 --> 00:19:51,732
it is yes

544
00:19:51,732 --> 00:19:52,500
.

545
00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:53,334
17 real estate assessment cases

546
00:19:53,334 --> 00:19:56,671
in the circuit court at this

547
00:19:56,671 --> 00:19:57,338
time.

548
00:19:57,338 --> 00:19:58,272
>> Yesli Vega: thank you.

549
00:19:58,272 --> 00:20:02,472
And where do we come up with

550
00:20:03,578 --> 00:20:04,245
the 400,000 number?

551
00:20:04,245 --> 00:20:05,179
Is it an estimate based on

552
00:20:05,179 --> 00:20:06,790
existing funds that have been

553
00:20:06,790 --> 00:20:06,747
allocated for other lawsuits or

554
00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:09,747
is there a specific breakdown

555
00:20:17,910 --> 00:20:17,291
of this amount used for legal

556
00:20:17,291 --> 00:20:18,159
fees?

557
00:20:18,159 --> 00:20:19,126
>> MS. Roble: it's an estimate

558
00:20:19,126 --> 00:20:19,994
going forward for the rest of

559
00:20:19,994 --> 00:20:20,494
the fiscal year to defend the

560
00:20:20,494 --> 00:20:21,195
boards actions.

561
00:20:21,195 --> 00:20:21,996
The board voted to appeal the

562
00:20:21,996 --> 00:20:22,463
one case and in discussions

563
00:20:22,463 --> 00:20:23,300
with

564
00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:23,397
our outside legal counsel.

565
00:20:23,397 --> 00:20:24,980
It all depends.

566
00:20:24,980 --> 00:20:24,999
There are many variables with

567
00:20:24,999 --> 00:20:25,666
the court system whether the

568
00:20:25,666 --> 00:20:27,101
court of appeals is going to

569
00:20:27,101 --> 00:20:27,368
remand it back

570
00:20:27,368 --> 00:20:28,336
.

571
00:20:28,336 --> 00:20:29,337
But this is a guesstimate with

572
00:20:29,337 --> 00:20:31,572
regards to litigation fees for

573
00:20:31,572 --> 00:20:32,373
the rest of the fiscal year.

574
00:20:32,373 --> 00:20:33,207
>> Yesli Vega: understood and

575
00:20:33,207 --> 00:20:36,807
that is where my concern comes

576
00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:41,549
from.

577
00:20:41,549 --> 00:20:42,450
Understanding we still have

578
00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:42,850
what seems to be a long road

579
00:20:42,850 --> 00:20:43,584
ahead of us.

580
00:20:43,584 --> 00:20:44,518
Would you be able to give me an

581
00:20:44,518 --> 00:20:47,889
idea as to the amount that has

582
00:20:47,889 --> 00:20:48,389
already been spent fighting the

583
00:20:48,389 --> 00:20:49,423
digital gateway.

584
00:20:49,423 --> 00:20:49,757
>> MS. Roble: I can get back to

585
00:20:49,757 --> 00:20:50,391
you will not.

586
00:20:50,391 --> 00:20:51,920
>> Yesli Vega: okay.

587
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:51,392
So we don't have that at the

588
00:20:51,392 --> 00:20:51,959
moment.

589
00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:52,927
Would offer this to

590
00:20:52,927 --> 00:20:53,960
my colleagues that we are being

591
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,795
asked to appropriate $400,000

592
00:20:54,795 --> 00:20:56,795
while still having 17

593
00:20:58,866 --> 00:20:59,600
additional items that are soon

594
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,600
going to also probably more

595
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:07,241
than likely need additional

596
00:21:07,241 --> 00:21:07,875
funding.

597
00:21:07,875 --> 00:21:08,409
Nd at some point we

598
00:21:08,409 --> 00:21:09,343
have done the tough

599
00:21:09,343 --> 00:21:10,311
conversations where do we keep

600
00:21:10,311 --> 00:21:13,311
going, which direction to be

601
00:21:18,419 --> 00:21:19,120
taken where do we draw the line

602
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:19,987
in terms of how much are we

603
00:21:19,987 --> 00:21:20,688
going to use tax dollars to

604
00:21:20,688 --> 00:21:21,556
keep fighting these lawsuits.

605
00:21:21,556 --> 00:21:22,490
I also want to know, I don't

606
00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:23,240
know if this is questions for

607
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:23,925
you or somebody else.

608
00:21:23,925 --> 00:21:24,425
I would like to know what the

609
00:21:24,425 --> 00:21:25,392
reserve fund is.

610
00:21:25,392 --> 00:21:27,792
>> MS. Roble: in discussion

611
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:35,703
with the finance department,

612
00:21:35,703 --> 00:21:36,504
that fund is used whenever we

613
00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:37,138
receive complaints or vials

614
00:21:37,138 --> 00:21:37,672
against us, whether it's a

615
00:21:37,672 --> 00:21:38,506
workers comp case, an

616
00:21:38,506 --> 00:21:41,506
allegation of excessive use of

617
00:21:47,949 --> 00:21:48,649
force by the police department.

618
00:21:48,649 --> 00:21:49,116
That evolves from day to day,

619
00:21:49,116 --> 00:21:50,117
claim to claim.

620
00:21:50,117 --> 00:21:50,952
We can work with the county in

621
00:21:50,952 --> 00:21:51,285
executive get you an estimate

622
00:21:51,285 --> 00:21:51,686
of what it is.

623
00:21:51,686 --> 00:21:52,954
It is very fluid.

624
00:21:52,954 --> 00:21:53,588
It changes day-to-day based on

625
00:21:53,588 --> 00:21:53,820
allegations against of the

626
00:21:53,820 --> 00:21:54,522
county.

627
00:21:54,522 --> 00:21:55,890
>> Yesli Vega: those are all

628
00:21:55,890 --> 00:21:55,990
the questions I have.

629
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:56,858
> Deshundra Jefferson,

630
00:21:56,858 --> 00:22:01,580
Mayor: I don't have so much any

631
00:22:01,429 --> 00:22:02,196
questions.

632
00:22:02,196 --> 00:22:03,640
I have made my stance on this

633
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:03,631
case clear and I just want to

634
00:22:03,631 --> 00:22:05,199
be consistent.

635
00:22:05,199 --> 00:22:05,833
So I will be voting no.

636
00:22:05,833 --> 00:22:06,701
If there is no further

637
00:22:06,701 --> 00:22:09,701
discussion let's go ahead and

638
00:22:11,873 --> 00:22:13,873
take our vote.

639
00:22:21,983 --> 00:22:22,683
>> supervisor angry.

640
00:22:22,683 --> 00:22:24,683
Motion passes 5/3 supervisors

641
00:22:26,220 --> 00:22:26,487
gordy, vega, and chair stewart

642
00:22:26,487 --> 00:22:27,722
voting no.

643
00:22:27,722 --> 00:22:29,722
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

644
00:22:31,392 --> 00:22:32,393
chair stewart?

645
00:22:32,393 --> 00:22:34,793
>> George Stewart: thank you.

646
00:22:38,432 --> 00:22:39,500
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

647
00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:39,833
I have been wheeler, I have

648
00:22:39,833 --> 00:22:40,635
been stewart.

649
00:22:40,635 --> 00:22:41,536
At least no one can say I don't

650
00:22:41,536 --> 00:22:41,936
have a good sense of humor.

651
00:22:41,936 --> 00:22:42,703
All right.

652
00:22:42,703 --> 00:22:45,805
We are going to go to 5k.

653
00:22:45,805 --> 00:22:47,975
Before we go to this one, so I

654
00:22:47,975 --> 00:22:50,177
have had conversations with

655
00:22:50,177 --> 00:22:50,578
manasses airport

656
00:22:50,578 --> 00:22:52,578
, and they did

657
00:22:56,283 --> 00:22:56,851
have some concerns about the

658
00:22:56,851 --> 00:22:57,685
second part of this and

659
00:22:57,685 --> 00:22:58,686
supporting a name change from

660
00:22:58,686 --> 00:23:01,860
stafford regional airport of

661
00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:04,559
washington executive-staff

662
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:05,193
regional airport.

663
00:23:05,193 --> 00:23:08,793
I would like this but the

664
00:23:15,735 --> 00:23:16,404
question.

665
00:23:16,404 --> 00:23:16,870
I would like to go ahead and

666
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:17,939
ask for emotion.

667
00:23:17,939 --> 00:23:19,273
Unless there's any discussion

668
00:23:19,273 --> 00:23:20,240
or dissension, to approve the

669
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:20,908
amendment to stafford regional

670
00:23:20,908 --> 00:23:22,243
airport authority agreement

671
00:23:22,243 --> 00:23:23,344
extend the term of agreement to

672
00:23:23,344 --> 00:23:25,344
FEBRUARY 28, 2070.

673
00:23:26,847 --> 00:23:27,982
>> so moved.

674
00:23:27,982 --> 00:23:28,349
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

675
00:23:28,349 --> 00:23:30,349
any discussion?

676
00:23:38,259 --> 00:23:40,928
Let's go ahead and take a vote.

677
00:23:40,928 --> 00:23:41,928
>> vote unanimous.

678
00:23:41,928 --> 00:23:43,928
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

679
00:23:46,367 --> 00:23:47,680
thank you so very much.

680
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:47,869
We are now going to agenda item

681
00:23:47,869 --> 00:23:51,469
number six and that is the

682
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,600
public comment time.

683
00:23:55,576 --> 00:23:57,144
Before we go on to that, we are

684
00:23:57,144 --> 00:23:58,679
going to have to take a vote to

685
00:23:58,679 --> 00:24:02,279
support a name change for the

686
00:24:03,584 --> 00:24:04,719
airport authority

687
00:24:04,719 --> 00:24:05,586
, from

688
00:24:05,586 --> 00:24:06,587
stafford regional airport to

689
00:24:06,587 --> 00:24:07,721
washington executive-stafford

690
00:24:07,721 --> 00:24:08,155
regional airport

691
00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:10,155
.

692
00:24:13,327 --> 00:24:17,527
I should ask andrea if this is

693
00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:19,667
something we do not support

694
00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:20,368
,

695
00:24:20,368 --> 00:24:21,201
should I ask for us to deny it

696
00:24:21,201 --> 00:24:22,537
or do we support it and go

697
00:24:22,537 --> 00:24:25,537
ahead and vote it down.

698
00:24:30,111 --> 00:24:30,678
We can defer it, but it's going

699
00:24:30,678 --> 00:24:32,412
to be a date uncertain.

700
00:24:32,412 --> 00:24:33,140
I know a lot of people are

701
00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:33,948
uncomfortable with that.

702
00:24:33,948 --> 00:24:36,851
>> I move to different us to a

703
00:24:36,851 --> 00:24:37,485
date uncertain.

704
00:24:37,485 --> 00:24:38,352
>> to be have a second.

705
00:24:38,352 --> 00:24:40,352
>> Kenny Boddye: second.

706
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:47,610
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

707
00:24:47,610 --> 00:24:48,620
now that we have to defer this

708
00:24:48,620 --> 00:24:48,462
to a date uncertain, supervisor

709
00:24:48,462 --> 00:24:49,197
vega.

710
00:24:49,197 --> 00:24:49,864
>> Yesli Vega: I would like to

711
00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:50,865
know what the reason.

712
00:24:50,865 --> 00:24:52,865
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

713
00:24:54,202 --> 00:24:55,102
so I had conversations with

714
00:24:55,102 --> 00:24:56,103
some folks, my appointee and

715
00:24:56,103 --> 00:24:56,337
others in the manassas regional

716
00:24:56,337 --> 00:24:57,138
airport.

717
00:24:57,138 --> 00:25:00,208
They are also looking to do a

718
00:25:00,208 --> 00:25:00,908
change.

719
00:25:00,908 --> 00:25:01,742
They had some feelings that

720
00:25:01,742 --> 00:25:02,709
this might be trying to get

721
00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:06,309
ahead of what they are looking

722
00:25:12,819 --> 00:25:13,821
to do.

723
00:25:13,821 --> 00:25:14,488
And it really is that piece

724
00:25:14,488 --> 00:25:15,489
washington executive.

725
00:25:15,489 --> 00:25:16,900
They felt that there might be

726
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:17,580
some confusion.

727
00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:17,825
I have not had discussions with

728
00:25:17,825 --> 00:25:18,492
anyone from stafford airport.

729
00:25:18,492 --> 00:25:19,994
No one has come to me about

730
00:25:19,994 --> 00:25:20,261
this

731
00:25:20,261 --> 00:25:20,895
.

732
00:25:20,895 --> 00:25:21,729
In speaking with manasses

733
00:25:21,729 --> 00:25:22,463
airport they had concerns.

734
00:25:22,463 --> 00:25:23,431
And I would like them time for

735
00:25:23,431 --> 00:25:24,650
all of us to have a discussion

736
00:25:24,650 --> 00:25:25,660
to have a discussion about

737
00:25:25,660 --> 00:25:25,199
that

738
00:25:25,199 --> 00:25:25,967
.

739
00:25:25,967 --> 00:25:26,434
To learn what is going on with

740
00:25:26,434 --> 00:25:28,434
the manasses airport.

741
00:25:29,971 --> 00:25:31,720
Given the proximity of the

742
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:31,839
changes they are looking,

743
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:33,839
installing commercial service,

744
00:25:38,646 --> 00:25:39,680
that's going to have a pretty

745
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,148
big impact, more significant

746
00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:41,782
impact on our community.

747
00:25:41,782 --> 00:25:45,953
That is why I would like to go

748
00:25:45,953 --> 00:25:46,988
ahead and delay this.

749
00:25:46,988 --> 00:25:50,588
>> Yesli Vega: I will let tom

750
00:25:54,610 --> 00:25:55,620
elaborator expand.

751
00:25:55,620 --> 00:25:55,563
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

752
00:25:55,563 --> 00:25:56,264
supervisor gordy.

753
00:25:56,264 --> 00:25:57,198
>> Tom Gordy: both supervisor

754
00:25:57,198 --> 00:25:58,650
vega and I intended in meeting

755
00:25:58,650 --> 00:25:58,733
with the county executive

756
00:25:58,733 --> 00:26:01,133
shorter and county executive

757
00:26:01,702 --> 00:26:02,403
hugh yesterday.

758
00:26:02,403 --> 00:26:03,136
That topic came up about their

759
00:26:03,136 --> 00:26:03,471
name change as well

760
00:26:03,471 --> 00:26:05,471
.

761
00:26:13,447 --> 00:26:14,382
I think personally, before --

762
00:26:14,382 --> 00:26:15,490
again, no one has come to speak

763
00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:15,349
to me about this particular

764
00:26:15,349 --> 00:26:17,349
issue.

765
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,254
But we have been speaking with

766
00:26:20,254 --> 00:26:22,654
manasses airport officials and

767
00:26:24,592 --> 00:26:25,526
I would like for us to get our

768
00:26:25,526 --> 00:26:26,294
ducks in a row as it relates to

769
00:26:26,294 --> 00:26:26,994
manasses airport.

770
00:26:26,994 --> 00:26:27,595
And I think that will be coming

771
00:26:27,595 --> 00:26:28,496
sooner rather than later.

772
00:26:28,496 --> 00:26:29,497
On the once we have that, we

773
00:26:29,497 --> 00:26:32,666
want to make sure that we get

774
00:26:32,666 --> 00:26:33,634
everything right before we

775
00:26:33,634 --> 00:26:36,634
paint ourselves into a corner.

776
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:43,744
With stafford.

777
00:26:43,744 --> 00:26:44,644
That is my position and that is

778
00:26:44,644 --> 00:26:44,845
why I am deferring at this

779
00:26:44,845 --> 00:26:46,470
time.

780
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:46,314
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

781
00:26:46,314 --> 00:26:46,647
all right.

782
00:26:46,647 --> 00:26:47,548
Anyone else?

783
00:26:47,548 --> 00:26:48,249
I appreciate it because I have

784
00:26:48,249 --> 00:26:51,849
had the opportunity to go out

785
00:26:53,521 --> 00:26:53,721
there and have discussions with

786
00:26:53,721 --> 00:26:54,522
them.

787
00:26:54,522 --> 00:26:55,189
I don't want to get into the

788
00:26:55,189 --> 00:26:56,230
middle of this because we

789
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:58,423
haven't spoken to stafford

790
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,680
airport and there are a lot of

791
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:07,935
things happening literally in

792
00:27:07,935 --> 00:27:08,803
our backyard or perhaps it's

793
00:27:08,803 --> 00:27:09,470
better to say the little donut

794
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:10,338
hole within our county.

795
00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:10,872
And so do we have more

796
00:27:10,872 --> 00:27:11,806
information, yes.

797
00:27:11,806 --> 00:27:15,709
I agree delaying this to a date

798
00:27:15,709 --> 00:27:16,544
uncertain.

799
00:27:16,544 --> 00:27:17,311
Any further discussion?

800
00:27:17,311 --> 00:27:20,781
If not, let's go ahead and take

801
00:27:20,781 --> 00:27:22,781
a vote.

802
00:27:24,252 --> 00:27:26,652
>> thank you supervisor angry.

803
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,161
Vote unanimous.

804
00:27:34,161 --> 00:27:35,162
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

805
00:27:35,162 --> 00:27:35,363
now we get the public comment

806
00:27:35,363 --> 00:27:36,130
time.

807
00:27:36,130 --> 00:27:36,464
I'm so excited and

808
00:27:36,464 --> 00:27:38,464
enthusiastic.

809
00:27:41,836 --> 00:27:42,803
I have a sheet.

810
00:27:42,803 --> 00:27:43,804
We have a few people signed up.

811
00:27:43,804 --> 00:27:44,472
I see some new names pick what

812
00:27:44,472 --> 00:27:45,473
I'm going to do is I'm going to

813
00:27:45,473 --> 00:27:49,730
call everyone up in groups of

814
00:27:49,377 --> 00:27:50,411
five.

815
00:27:50,411 --> 00:27:51,379
Please state your name and the

816
00:27:51,379 --> 00:27:51,611
magisterial district where you

817
00:27:51,611 --> 00:27:52,246
reside.

818
00:27:52,246 --> 00:27:53,800
You don't need to give your

819
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,150
address unless you want us to

820
00:27:54,150 --> 00:27:55,490
show up for lunch or dinner.

821
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:55,182
Up there you will see a screen

822
00:27:55,182 --> 00:27:57,182
.

823
00:27:59,921 --> 00:28:00,388
It's going to be a timer.

824
00:28:00,388 --> 00:28:01,122
You three minutes.

825
00:28:01,122 --> 00:28:02,230
I will call the first person.

826
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:03,558
I think it is leslie mayne,

827
00:28:03,558 --> 00:28:03,624
carrie lee carrington, [Name]

828
00:28:03,624 --> 00:28:04,392
,

829
00:28:04,392 --> 00:28:06,392
susie more steam.

830
00:28:26,147 --> 00:28:26,614
You may

831
00:28:26,614 --> 00:28:27,248
begin.

832
00:28:27,248 --> 00:28:29,248
>> Public Speaker: hello.

833
00:28:35,656 --> 00:28:36,324
My name is lee soul and I live

834
00:28:36,324 --> 00:28:37,258
in the occoquan district.

835
00:28:37,258 --> 00:28:37,892
I am a musician and I play with

836
00:28:37,892 --> 00:28:40,292
70 to 80 other musicians who

837
00:28:44,365 --> 00:28:44,599
live throughout prince william

838
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:45,366
county.

839
00:28:45,366 --> 00:28:46,000
The groups I'm in perform all

840
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:46,868
throughout prince william

841
00:28:46,868 --> 00:28:49,868
county the gainesville all the

842
00:28:51,239 --> 00:28:51,939
way down the woodbridge.

843
00:28:51,939 --> 00:28:53,700
I would like to speak about

844
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:53,574
item 11 c, the motion to

845
00:28:53,574 --> 00:28:54,800
dissolve the prince william

846
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:54,842
county arts council.

847
00:28:54,842 --> 00:28:57,242
I'm deeply concerned that

848
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,200
action being taken is in haste.

849
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:06,988
I want to explain why the arts

850
00:29:06,988 --> 00:29:07,921
council matters but not just to

851
00:29:07,921 --> 00:29:10,625
me as a local musician but the

852
00:29:10,625 --> 00:29:11,192
volunteer arts groups that

853
00:29:11,192 --> 00:29:12,930
serve this county.

854
00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:12,727
My first and most serious

855
00:29:12,727 --> 00:29:13,527
concern is the lack of notice

856
00:29:13,527 --> 00:29:14,228
and transparency.

857
00:29:14,228 --> 00:29:16,630
According to the virginia

858
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:17,980
history, item 11 was added

859
00:29:17,980 --> 00:29:20,980
DECEMBER 9, one week before the

860
00:29:22,904 --> 00:29:23,671
meeting.

861
00:29:23,671 --> 00:29:23,905
And I understand even members

862
00:29:23,905 --> 00:29:24,505
of the

863
00:29:24,505 --> 00:29:26,905
arts councils board were

864
00:29:28,175 --> 00:29:28,876
blindsided by the proposal.

865
00:29:28,876 --> 00:29:33,760
I played the -- in the prince

866
00:29:33,247 --> 00:29:34,800
william county bound and it is

867
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:34,348
an all volunteer nonprofit

868
00:29:34,348 --> 00:29:36,348
ensemble.

869
00:29:38,185 --> 00:29:38,886
And I perform in a quintet

870
00:29:38,886 --> 00:29:39,687
called the queen winds that

871
00:29:39,687 --> 00:29:42,870
operate under the bands

872
00:29:48,496 --> 00:29:49,163
umbrella.

873
00:29:49,163 --> 00:29:49,664
The arts council supports

874
00:29:49,664 --> 00:29:50,765
groups like ours.

875
00:29:50,765 --> 00:29:51,999
Not just through funding access

876
00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:53,000
but coordination, promotion,

877
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,301
partnership and institutional

878
00:29:53,301 --> 00:29:54,350
knowledge.

879
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:57,350
For example, the arts council

880
00:30:00,908 --> 00:30:01,909
help fertility rehearsal and

881
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:02,909
performance space including

882
00:30:02,909 --> 00:30:05,309
discounted access to school

883
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,130
facilities and community venues

884
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:07,715
eliminating the arts council

885
00:30:07,715 --> 00:30:08,515
without a clearly defined

886
00:30:08,515 --> 00:30:10,515
operational replacement could

887
00:30:10,750 --> 00:30:11,652
make concert programming more

888
00:30:11,652 --> 00:30:14,652
difficult and costly for our

889
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:17,191
group.

890
00:30:17,191 --> 00:30:18,225
It would also limit our ability

891
00:30:18,225 --> 00:30:20,428
to provide free concerts for

892
00:30:20,428 --> 00:30:21,195
the community.

893
00:30:21,195 --> 00:30:23,698
My quintet has performed over

894
00:30:23,698 --> 00:30:26,698
30 free concerts in the past

895
00:30:30,238 --> 00:30:31,380
you three years in addition to

896
00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:31,939
the 15 to 20 concerts the

897
00:30:31,939 --> 00:30:34,339
principal them community band

898
00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:36,544
has put on.

899
00:30:36,544 --> 00:30:37,378
Who performed at senior

900
00:30:37,378 --> 00:30:38,412
centers, assisted living

901
00:30:38,412 --> 00:30:40,412
communities, churches, and

902
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:43,718
county community events

903
00:30:43,718 --> 00:30:44,685
.

904
00:30:44,685 --> 00:30:45,319
Want to our recent performances

905
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:46,187
at that community day was

906
00:30:46,187 --> 00:30:46,921
facilitated directly by the

907
00:30:46,921 --> 00:30:47,688
arts council.

908
00:30:47,688 --> 00:30:48,521
These connections don't happen

909
00:30:48,521 --> 00:30:49,190
automatically.

910
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:52,190
It happened because there's a

911
00:30:58,599 --> 00:30:59,500
central county supported body

912
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:00,133
making them happen in arts

913
00:31:00,133 --> 00:31:01,200
alive is another example.

914
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:01,669
This festival showcases

915
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:04,690
everyone from small volunteer

916
00:31:04,405 --> 00:31:05,306
ensembles to large orchestras,

917
00:31:05,306 --> 00:31:05,606
along with dance and visual

918
00:31:05,606 --> 00:31:06,173
arts groups

919
00:31:06,173 --> 00:31:06,407
from across the

920
00:31:06,407 --> 00:31:07,240
county.

921
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,840
It takes months and months of

922
00:31:18,719 --> 00:31:19,453
planning, and extensive

923
00:31:19,453 --> 00:31:20,354
volunteer coordination.

924
00:31:20,354 --> 00:31:21,222
The arts alive is a public

925
00:31:21,222 --> 00:31:22,256
asset built through long

926
00:31:22,256 --> 00:31:23,224
stewardship and turning it over

927
00:31:23,224 --> 00:31:25,593
abruptly to private model risks

928
00:31:25,593 --> 00:31:26,930
disrupting continuity and

929
00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:26,861
eroding community trust.

930
00:31:26,861 --> 00:31:27,762
Arts council is helping us plan

931
00:31:27,762 --> 00:31:30,464
a woodwind workshop for middle

932
00:31:30,464 --> 00:31:32,166
school and high school students

933
00:31:32,166 --> 00:31:33,100
, and educational opportunity

934
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:36,100
that would not exist without

935
00:31:39,390 --> 00:31:40,740
their coordination.

936
00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:40,708
If improvements to the arts

937
00:31:40,708 --> 00:31:41,542
councils are needed they need

938
00:31:41,542 --> 00:31:42,430
to address the reform and not

939
00:31:42,430 --> 00:31:42,243
sudden dissolution.

940
00:31:42,243 --> 00:31:44,243
Hat needs

941
00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:50,685
to be a viable in place.

942
00:31:50,685 --> 00:31:52,685
>> Public Speaker: good

943
00:31:59,193 --> 00:32:00,194
afternoon.

944
00:32:00,194 --> 00:32:00,895
Thank you for allowing me the

945
00:32:00,895 --> 00:32:02,396
opportunity to speak today.

946
00:32:02,396 --> 00:32:03,197
My name is carol lee carrington

947
00:32:03,197 --> 00:32:04,198
and I am the current elected

948
00:32:04,198 --> 00:32:07,198
chair for the prince william

949
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,300
county arts council.

950
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:12,603
My roll has included being on

951
00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:13,407
the arts council board for the

952
00:32:13,407 --> 00:32:15,407
past eight years.

953
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:15,910
I am also the founder of in ceo

954
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:17,910
.

955
00:32:18,713 --> 00:32:22,313
I want the state with the

956
00:32:24,284 --> 00:32:26,684
utmost respect am disappointed

957
00:32:27,321 --> 00:32:28,322
regarding the current proposal

958
00:32:28,322 --> 00:32:29,857
for the dissolution of the arts

959
00:32:29,857 --> 00:32:31,857
council.

960
00:32:32,793 --> 00:32:35,793
Neither I nor the membership

961
00:32:39,166 --> 00:32:39,467
were notified of this proposed

962
00:32:39,467 --> 00:32:40,234
resolution.

963
00:32:40,234 --> 00:32:43,234
The lack of engagement is

964
00:32:44,972 --> 00:32:45,706
concerning, particularly as I

965
00:32:45,706 --> 00:32:48,106
have sought the opportunities

966
00:32:50,844 --> 00:32:51,546
to meet with county leaderships

967
00:32:51,546 --> 00:32:52,345
and discuss the challenges

968
00:32:52,345 --> 00:32:52,914
facing the arts council on

969
00:32:52,914 --> 00:32:54,914
possible solutions.

970
00:32:55,249 --> 00:32:56,117
Many of

971
00:32:56,117 --> 00:32:56,417
the requests have gone

972
00:32:56,417 --> 00:32:58,417
unanswered.

973
00:33:00,855 --> 00:33:01,889
While the resolution asserts

974
00:33:01,889 --> 00:33:02,790
the current arts council is

975
00:33:02,790 --> 00:33:05,190
insufficient to advance the

976
00:33:06,927 --> 00:33:07,595
arts grooming, I emphasize

977
00:33:07,595 --> 00:33:09,995
dissolving the county arts

978
00:33:11,732 --> 00:33:12,733
council would remove public

979
00:33:12,733 --> 00:33:14,235
oversight, transparency, and

980
00:33:14,235 --> 00:33:16,235
equitable access.

981
00:33:16,304 --> 00:33:19,304
as a privately operated model

982
00:33:22,109 --> 00:33:23,440
without county oversight

983
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:23,711
,

984
00:33:23,711 --> 00:33:24,511
inherently risks excluding

985
00:33:24,511 --> 00:33:26,511
artists, organizations, and

986
00:33:32,153 --> 00:33:33,387
community members rely on the

987
00:33:33,387 --> 00:33:33,788
fear and inclusive process of

988
00:33:33,788 --> 00:33:34,455
the arts council.

989
00:33:34,455 --> 00:33:35,456
The arts council currently

990
00:33:35,456 --> 00:33:37,856
serve 69 members, which include

991
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:40,328
private artists as well as many

992
00:33:40,328 --> 00:33:42,328
organizations.

993
00:33:44,650 --> 00:33:45,660
And manages an approved budget

994
00:33:45,660 --> 00:33:48,660
and support the growing arts

995
00:33:49,604 --> 00:33:50,605
community.

996
00:33:50,605 --> 00:33:51,606
These facts demonstrate not

997
00:33:51,606 --> 00:33:52,340
failure but the need for

998
00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:54,340
collaboration, guidance, and

999
00:33:54,876 --> 00:33:56,876
the thoughtful reform.

1000
00:33:58,746 --> 00:33:59,747
Programs like arts alive have

1001
00:33:59,747 --> 00:34:02,747
long-standing value as a public

1002
00:34:02,783 --> 00:34:05,183
benefits and they deserve

1003
00:34:14,495 --> 00:34:14,862
stewardship that includes

1004
00:34:14,862 --> 00:34:15,663
accountability.

1005
00:34:15,663 --> 00:34:16,496
I respectfully urge the board

1006
00:34:16,496 --> 00:34:17,498
to pause the resolution and

1007
00:34:17,498 --> 00:34:18,132
engage directly with the arts

1008
00:34:18,132 --> 00:34:18,365
council leadership and its

1009
00:34:18,365 --> 00:34:18,432
members

1010
00:34:18,432 --> 00:34:19,400
.

1011
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,400
Reform as possible, but it

1012
00:34:22,670 --> 00:34:26,870
needs to be done with the arts

1013
00:34:32,579 --> 00:34:33,314
community around it and not

1014
00:34:33,314 --> 00:34:34,181
excluding us from this process.

1015
00:34:34,181 --> 00:34:35,820
The dissolution of the arts

1016
00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:35,816
council at this time without

1017
00:34:35,816 --> 00:34:36,984
discussion or transparency

1018
00:34:36,984 --> 00:34:39,384
risks undermining the community

1019
00:34:41,522 --> 00:34:42,557
and the creative that we serve.

1020
00:34:42,557 --> 00:34:42,823
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1021
00:34:42,823 --> 00:34:44,823
thank you.

1022
00:34:45,493 --> 00:34:47,493
Next speaker, please

1023
00:34:57,605 --> 00:34:59,605
.

1024
00:34:59,740 --> 00:35:00,808
You MAY proceed

1025
00:35:00,808 --> 00:35:01,775
.

1026
00:35:01,775 --> 00:35:02,843
>> Public Speaker: MAY speak

1027
00:35:02,843 --> 00:35:03,344
now?

1028
00:35:03,344 --> 00:35:05,112
Good afternoon.

1029
00:35:05,112 --> 00:35:05,646
I'm debbie madsen

1030
00:35:05,646 --> 00:35:07,646
.

1031
00:35:11,352 --> 00:35:12,186
i am a former elementary

1032
00:35:12,186 --> 00:35:12,787
through high school music

1033
00:35:12,787 --> 00:35:15,187
teacher in prince william

1034
00:35:17,992 --> 00:35:18,659
county.

1035
00:35:18,659 --> 00:35:19,627
If you are sitting and can't

1036
00:35:19,627 --> 00:35:20,494
see me want to turn around,

1037
00:35:20,494 --> 00:35:21,429
that's okay because I'm used to

1038
00:35:21,429 --> 00:35:24,465
being at the front of the room.

1039
00:35:24,465 --> 00:35:28,650
Today we are dealing with the

1040
00:35:30,171 --> 00:35:30,404
possibility of the arts

1041
00:35:30,404 --> 00:35:30,671
council.

1042
00:35:30,671 --> 00:35:31,239
I have a

1043
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,239
lot of friends in the

1044
00:35:34,775 --> 00:35:35,509
room today.

1045
00:35:35,509 --> 00:35:37,245
I'm sure you will heal various

1046
00:35:37,245 --> 00:35:39,480
things from various people.

1047
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,183
My thought is I'm in agreement

1048
00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:45,783
with the first two speakers in

1049
00:35:49,256 --> 00:35:49,724
that this proposal appeared

1050
00:35:49,724 --> 00:35:50,591
very suddenly.

1051
00:35:50,591 --> 00:35:51,359
When I was working and was a

1052
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:54,359
board member of the arts

1053
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,300
council and the leader of one

1054
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:59,630
hour small groups, if I wanted

1055
00:36:03,371 --> 00:36:04,338
to have a meeting I had to

1056
00:36:04,338 --> 00:36:05,206
announce it publicly a certain

1057
00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:08,806
amount of ahead of time so

1058
00:36:08,943 --> 00:36:11,343
anyone could attend the

1059
00:36:12,446 --> 00:36:13,180
discussion at those meetings.

1060
00:36:13,180 --> 00:36:16,183
As I was leaving the house to

1061
00:36:16,183 --> 00:36:18,818
date my husband who is also in

1062
00:36:18,818 --> 00:36:23,180
a band got an email this was

1063
00:36:25,459 --> 00:36:26,460
going to be brought up today.

1064
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:27,628
My proposal is that you listen

1065
00:36:27,628 --> 00:36:27,828
carefully to all the people who

1066
00:36:27,828 --> 00:36:29,828
speak.

1067
00:36:36,103 --> 00:36:36,537
I think perhaps a pause is a

1068
00:36:36,537 --> 00:36:37,538
good idea.

1069
00:36:37,538 --> 00:36:38,372
I am the mother of a ballerina

1070
00:36:38,372 --> 00:36:40,942
so I know some of the ballet

1071
00:36:40,942 --> 00:36:42,942
stories

1072
00:36:43,377 --> 00:36:44,345
.

1073
00:36:44,345 --> 00:36:45,460
If you don't know the story of

1074
00:36:45,460 --> 00:36:45,813
sleeping beauty from having

1075
00:36:45,813 --> 00:36:46,914
been to the ballet, you MAY

1076
00:36:46,914 --> 00:36:47,582
have seen the movie as a child.

1077
00:36:47,582 --> 00:36:48,516
Sleeping beauty is supposed to

1078
00:36:48,516 --> 00:36:52,116
die when she parks her finger,

1079
00:36:52,386 --> 00:36:55,890
but I think in the ballet it's

1080
00:36:55,890 --> 00:36:58,890
the violet very arrives and

1081
00:37:03,330 --> 00:37:05,399
changes that to falling asleep.

1082
00:37:05,399 --> 00:37:09,103
I don't know if we can propose

1083
00:37:09,103 --> 00:37:09,804
a little more time to consider

1084
00:37:09,804 --> 00:37:12,473
what we are going to do with

1085
00:37:12,473 --> 00:37:14,473
sleeping beauty here.

1086
00:37:14,941 --> 00:37:15,409
I know your jobs are difficult

1087
00:37:15,409 --> 00:37:17,409
.

1088
00:37:18,446 --> 00:37:22,646
But I think you need to hear

1089
00:37:23,350 --> 00:37:24,180
from people.

1090
00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:27,180
He talked about the large

1091
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,434
presence we have here today.

1092
00:37:40,434 --> 00:37:41,402
The bands, the choirs, the

1093
00:37:41,402 --> 00:37:42,350
orchestras, the dance

1094
00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:42,637
organizations, the arts

1095
00:37:42,637 --> 00:37:43,700
organizations, the people

1096
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:44,472
putting on plays.

1097
00:37:44,472 --> 00:37:45,139
We could not fit them all in

1098
00:37:45,139 --> 00:37:46,707
this room door in that room nor

1099
00:37:46,707 --> 00:37:47,475
even throughout the building.

1100
00:37:47,475 --> 00:37:47,708
We are representing a lot of

1101
00:37:47,708 --> 00:37:48,476
people.

1102
00:37:48,476 --> 00:37:52,460
That is really all I have to

1103
00:37:52,460 --> 00:37:53,470
say.

1104
00:37:53,470 --> 00:37:53,681
Please think carefully about

1105
00:37:53,681 --> 00:37:56,681
this decision today and if

1106
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,291
there is a way to postpone it

1107
00:38:03,291 --> 00:38:03,991
or get input or develop a small

1108
00:38:03,991 --> 00:38:04,792
group that can help and advice

1109
00:38:04,792 --> 00:38:07,192
you, perhaps that's a

1110
00:38:08,396 --> 00:38:09,397
possibility.

1111
00:38:09,397 --> 00:38:10,463
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1112
00:38:10,463 --> 00:38:11,980
before you leave say where you

1113
00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:14,980
reside because he didn't say

1114
00:38:14,702 --> 00:38:15,736
that at the top.

1115
00:38:15,736 --> 00:38:15,970
>> Public Speaker: and from

1116
00:38:15,970 --> 00:38:17,238
neabsco.

1117
00:38:17,238 --> 00:38:17,905
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1118
00:38:17,905 --> 00:38:18,673
and carol lee, if you can see

1119
00:38:18,673 --> 00:38:19,340
where you resign.

1120
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:21,909
Masking karoly now if she can

1121
00:38:21,909 --> 00:38:24,309
go to the microphone.

1122
00:38:25,913 --> 00:38:26,981
She also didn't mention that.

1123
00:38:26,981 --> 00:38:27,648
>> Public Speaker: we are just

1124
00:38:27,648 --> 00:38:30,648
passionate and forgot where we

1125
00:38:30,985 --> 00:38:31,986
are from.

1126
00:38:31,986 --> 00:38:34,386
>> Public Speaker: I am

1127
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:47,301
carefully parent carrington

1128
00:38:47,301 --> 00:38:48,402
from the gainesville district.

1129
00:38:48,402 --> 00:38:49,700
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1130
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:49,369
I've got to get better with

1131
00:38:49,369 --> 00:38:50,371
that.

1132
00:38:50,371 --> 00:38:50,671
That is one of my new year's

1133
00:38:50,671 --> 00:38:51,372
resolutions.

1134
00:38:51,372 --> 00:38:51,672
State your name and where

1135
00:38:51,672 --> 00:38:52,573
you're from.

1136
00:38:52,573 --> 00:38:53,541
>> Public Speaker: originally

1137
00:38:53,541 --> 00:38:54,475
from ohio but I have lived in

1138
00:38:54,475 --> 00:38:55,375
prince william county since

1139
00:38:55,375 --> 00:38:55,643
1980 and I live in the coles

1140
00:38:55,643 --> 00:38:56,177
district.

1141
00:38:56,177 --> 00:38:56,911
My name is susie.

1142
00:38:56,911 --> 00:38:58,746
I have been involved with

1143
00:38:58,746 --> 00:38:59,146
theater probably since I came

1144
00:38:59,146 --> 00:39:01,146
out of the

1145
00:39:03,818 --> 00:39:04,418
womb, or so my

1146
00:39:04,418 --> 00:39:05,152
mother has said.

1147
00:39:05,152 --> 00:39:05,853
When I moved to this county

1148
00:39:05,853 --> 00:39:08,455
there was not very much to do

1149
00:39:08,455 --> 00:39:09,423
when it came to theater.

1150
00:39:09,423 --> 00:39:13,623
A few friends of mine, we got

1151
00:39:14,328 --> 00:39:14,828
together and created prince

1152
00:39:14,828 --> 00:39:15,796
william theater.

1153
00:39:15,796 --> 00:39:19,000
As of OCTOBER we are 41 years

1154
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,666
going.

1155
00:39:19,666 --> 00:39:22,436
Right from the very beginning

1156
00:39:22,436 --> 00:39:23,337
the government of the county

1157
00:39:23,337 --> 00:39:25,339
has at a grant system that has

1158
00:39:25,339 --> 00:39:26,507
supported us

1159
00:39:26,507 --> 00:39:28,507
.

1160
00:39:30,211 --> 00:39:31,450
Up until last year we still

1161
00:39:31,450 --> 00:39:34,450
continued to get great things

1162
00:39:34,415 --> 00:39:36,717
from the arts council we have a

1163
00:39:36,717 --> 00:39:37,385
lot of great programs we have

1164
00:39:37,385 --> 00:39:37,752
because of the grants we

1165
00:39:37,752 --> 00:39:39,752
received.

1166
00:39:43,256 --> 00:39:44,580
Now, I am here

1167
00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:44,759
because I'm a member and

1168
00:39:44,759 --> 00:39:47,159
director of prince william

1169
00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:57,972
little theater, but I also

1170
00:39:57,972 --> 00:39:58,606
speak on behalf of all of the

1171
00:39:58,606 --> 00:39:59,574
arts organizations.

1172
00:39:59,574 --> 00:40:00,410
I agree with the ladies who

1173
00:40:00,410 --> 00:40:00,875
spoke before me.

1174
00:40:00,875 --> 00:40:01,375
A little history.

1175
00:40:01,375 --> 00:40:01,942
There used to be an

1176
00:40:01,942 --> 00:40:02,577
organization called the

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00:40:02,577 --> 00:40:03,477
cultural arts federation.

1178
00:40:03,477 --> 00:40:05,713
And they are sort of what

1179
00:40:05,713 --> 00:40:06,380
grants were funneled through.

1180
00:40:06,380 --> 00:40:07,215
It worked very well for many

1181
00:40:07,215 --> 00:40:07,348
years and then we got up to

1182
00:40:07,348 --> 00:40:09,348
22

1183
00:40:09,617 --> 00:40:12,617
members, much less than what

1184
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,922
we have now.

1185
00:40:14,922 --> 00:40:17,922
The park authority decided it

1186
00:40:20,194 --> 00:40:20,895
was best they take over the

1187
00:40:20,895 --> 00:40:21,796
granting and facilitate.

1188
00:40:21,796 --> 00:40:22,129
From that became the arts

1189
00:40:22,129 --> 00:40:24,129
council.

1190
00:40:29,170 --> 00:40:30,710
It has been a continuous thing.

1191
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:30,805
I do hope as the young ladies

1192
00:40:30,805 --> 00:40:34,405
that spoke before me, because I

1193
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:36,430
am the oldest person here, that

1194
00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:36,210
you take time to think about

1195
00:40:36,210 --> 00:40:36,743
it.

1196
00:40:36,743 --> 00:40:39,143
Artists are very special

1197
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:43,651
people.

1198
00:40:43,651 --> 00:40:44,619
We think differently.

1199
00:40:44,619 --> 00:40:44,919
I am married to an attorney.

1200
00:40:44,919 --> 00:40:45,553
He has

1201
00:40:45,553 --> 00:40:46,420
the greatest left brain

1202
00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:46,754
I've ever seen but I am all

1203
00:40:46,754 --> 00:40:48,456
right brain.

1204
00:40:48,456 --> 00:40:48,656
We work together really well

1205
00:40:48,656 --> 00:40:49,390
.

1206
00:40:49,390 --> 00:40:52,793
I hope that you will listen to

1207
00:40:52,793 --> 00:40:56,393
some of these people who really

1208
00:41:01,569 --> 00:41:02,236
believe in what they do because

1209
00:41:02,236 --> 00:41:03,700
they are volunteers.

1210
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:03,771
Prince william theater is a

1211
00:41:03,771 --> 00:41:05,390
total volunteer organization.

1212
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:06,574
Most of these organizations of

1213
00:41:06,574 --> 00:41:07,174
people do them because they

1214
00:41:07,174 --> 00:41:08,141
love what they do and they

1215
00:41:08,141 --> 00:41:11,741
don't expect anything out of it

1216
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:16,117
except some joy and to get back

1217
00:41:16,117 --> 00:41:16,951
joy.

1218
00:41:16,951 --> 00:41:17,451
Now I'm going to give you back

1219
00:41:17,451 --> 00:41:18,520
your 44 seconds.

1220
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,954
Thank you very much.

1221
00:41:19,954 --> 00:41:20,221
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1222
00:41:20,221 --> 00:41:20,655
thank you.

1223
00:41:20,655 --> 00:41:21,656
I don't know is if.

1224
00:41:21,656 --> 00:41:24,859
[Name] Wanted to speak, but if

1225
00:41:24,859 --> 00:41:25,326
so -- okay.

1226
00:41:25,326 --> 00:41:27,326
All right.

1227
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:30,765
I just didn't mark you.

1228
00:41:30,765 --> 00:41:33,165
Rob thompson, herb williams,

1229
00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:36,350
don

1230
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:40,639
.

1231
00:41:46,948 --> 00:41:48,948
?

1232
00:42:01,628 --> 00:42:02,960
And season.

1233
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,970
You MAY proceed.

1234
00:42:03,970 --> 00:42:04,980
>> Public Speaker: thank you

1235
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:06,498
councilmembers for having us

1236
00:42:06,734 --> 00:42:07,602
here today.

1237
00:42:07,602 --> 00:42:08,302
My name is bob thompson.

1238
00:42:08,302 --> 00:42:09,303
I'm the current PRESIDENT Of

1239
00:42:09,303 --> 00:42:10,237
prince william little theater.

1240
00:42:10,237 --> 00:42:13,808
I work with susie almost on the

1241
00:42:13,808 --> 00:42:14,775
daily.

1242
00:42:14,775 --> 00:42:17,344
We are members of the board.

1243
00:42:17,344 --> 00:42:18,613
As you mentioned, prince little

1244
00:42:18,613 --> 00:42:18,980
theater is 41 years old and

1245
00:42:18,980 --> 00:42:20,980
growing strong.

1246
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,860
We have been an original member

1247
00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:28,860
of the council going back 41

1248
00:42:31,826 --> 00:42:32,493
years.

1249
00:42:32,493 --> 00:42:34,762
The process of this again, I

1250
00:42:34,762 --> 00:42:37,762
disagree with the fact the

1251
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,320
county came up suddenly.

1252
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,632
I didn't know anything about it

1253
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:46,941
being the PRESIDENT On the

1254
00:42:46,941 --> 00:42:47,942
board and the company that

1255
00:42:47,942 --> 00:42:48,543
people start calling me saying

1256
00:42:48,543 --> 00:42:49,443
to do know about this?

1257
00:42:49,443 --> 00:42:50,770
This is happening tomorrow.

1258
00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:50,444
Nd you get there and say

1259
00:42:50,444 --> 00:42:50,811
something?

1260
00:42:50,811 --> 00:42:53,211
I looked it up.

1261
00:42:54,949 --> 00:42:55,383
I have someone send me the

1262
00:42:55,383 --> 00:42:55,716
resolutions.

1263
00:42:55,716 --> 00:42:57,716
I'm surprised.

1264
00:43:01,488 --> 00:43:01,956
I know that there been problems

1265
00:43:01,956 --> 00:43:02,823
.

1266
00:43:02,823 --> 00:43:03,324
I've been to several arts

1267
00:43:03,324 --> 00:43:03,991
council meetings.

1268
00:43:03,991 --> 00:43:04,491
Having a very good standing

1269
00:43:04,491 --> 00:43:04,825
with them.

1270
00:43:04,825 --> 00:43:05,526
I did find there

1271
00:43:05,526 --> 00:43:08,526
were some issues and things

1272
00:43:11,232 --> 00:43:11,999
that can be worked out.

1273
00:43:11,999 --> 00:43:12,934
As a member of several boards

1274
00:43:12,934 --> 00:43:13,801
I've been a theater member for

1275
00:43:13,801 --> 00:43:15,102
30 years and I have been on the

1276
00:43:15,102 --> 00:43:18,102
corporate councils as a senior

1277
00:43:19,941 --> 00:43:20,808
arts director marketing person.

1278
00:43:20,808 --> 00:43:21,242
I know there are problems,

1279
00:43:21,242 --> 00:43:23,242
their communication

1280
00:43:26,781 --> 00:43:27,515
issues.

1281
00:43:27,515 --> 00:43:28,382
i don't know how far back this

1282
00:43:28,382 --> 00:43:32,582
goes with you all, but for us

1283
00:43:36,624 --> 00:43:37,191
to hear about it now is a

1284
00:43:37,191 --> 00:43:38,920
little except upsetting.

1285
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:39,930
I might call for a delay so it

1286
00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:40,260
could be properly discussed so

1287
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:40,695
that we the arts members can be

1288
00:43:40,695 --> 00:43:42,695
included in this

1289
00:43:48,836 --> 00:43:49,470
.

1290
00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:50,371
As I see it, it is almost a

1291
00:43:50,371 --> 00:43:51,172
done fact and I would like the

1292
00:43:51,172 --> 00:43:53,572
fact to be researched.

1293
00:43:53,841 --> 00:43:54,842
It would be very important.

1294
00:43:54,842 --> 00:43:55,760
I was told the money will keep

1295
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:55,843
coming.

1296
00:43:55,843 --> 00:43:56,843
The grant money will still be

1297
00:43:56,843 --> 00:44:01,430
there and we will still get it.

1298
00:44:01,549 --> 00:44:02,183
My worry is when the council is

1299
00:44:02,183 --> 00:44:04,583
dissolved, what the process

1300
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:12,226
going to be?

1301
00:44:12,226 --> 00:44:12,460
Form a new one, start from

1302
00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:13,160
scratch.

1303
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,600
Know it comes from

1304
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:14,427
the park authority and I

1305
00:44:14,427 --> 00:44:15,329
appreciate that.

1306
00:44:15,329 --> 00:44:16,330
I trusted them but I wonder if

1307
00:44:16,330 --> 00:44:18,833
this process has been thought

1308
00:44:18,833 --> 00:44:22,433
through enough as we depend a

1309
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:24,405
lot on this money

1310
00:44:24,405 --> 00:44:25,373
.

1311
00:44:25,373 --> 00:44:25,673
As soon as you said we are

1312
00:44:25,673 --> 00:44:26,440
volunteers.

1313
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:26,974
We are constantly begging for

1314
00:44:26,974 --> 00:44:27,608
sponsors

1315
00:44:27,608 --> 00:44:29,608
.

1316
00:44:30,578 --> 00:44:31,546
Anybody to come help us

1317
00:44:31,546 --> 00:44:32,713
overcome expenses and put on

1318
00:44:32,713 --> 00:44:35,616
the kind of art we like to put

1319
00:44:35,616 --> 00:44:37,752
forward to in the residence

1320
00:44:37,752 --> 00:44:39,752
outside.

1321
00:44:42,189 --> 00:44:43,257
On that point I feel, I would

1322
00:44:43,257 --> 00:44:47,280
like to call for a delay in a

1323
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,628
discussion in a public basis is

1324
00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:05,120
amount to look into this and

1325
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:05,246
avoid an arts meltdown in the

1326
00:45:05,246 --> 00:45:07,114
county.

1327
00:45:07,114 --> 00:45:08,516
Again, thank you for your time.

1328
00:45:08,516 --> 00:45:09,250
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1329
00:45:09,250 --> 00:45:09,416
what magisterial district are

1330
00:45:09,416 --> 00:45:10,150
you.

1331
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:10,785
> Public Speaker: I knew

1332
00:45:10,785 --> 00:45:11,319
that was going to happen.

1333
00:45:11,319 --> 00:45:13,621
I live in manassas

1334
00:45:13,621 --> 00:45:13,988
but I am the

1335
00:45:13,988 --> 00:45:14,989
coles district.

1336
00:45:14,989 --> 00:45:15,256
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1337
00:45:15,256 --> 00:45:16,123
thank you.

1338
00:45:16,123 --> 00:45:17,158
Next speaker, please pick.

1339
00:45:17,158 --> 00:45:18,920
>> Public Speaker: I am season.

1340
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,196
I need to switch because I have

1341
00:45:22,196 --> 00:45:23,197
a concert at 3:30 P.M. I live

1342
00:45:23,197 --> 00:45:24,565
in manassas but I have been a

1343
00:45:24,565 --> 00:45:25,733
prince william county teacher.

1344
00:45:25,733 --> 00:45:26,367
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1345
00:45:26,367 --> 00:45:27,335
what magisterial district.

1346
00:45:27,335 --> 00:45:27,702
>> Public Speaker: city of

1347
00:45:27,702 --> 00:45:29,702
manassas.

1348
00:45:30,238 --> 00:45:30,471
I am a board member on the arts

1349
00:45:30,471 --> 00:45:32,471
council.

1350
00:45:34,841 --> 00:45:35,509
I am also chair the arts and

1351
00:45:35,509 --> 00:45:36,343
education committee bringing

1352
00:45:36,343 --> 00:45:36,944
arts to the students and

1353
00:45:36,944 --> 00:45:39,344
students to the arts.

1354
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:40,615
In fact, we friday group from

1355
00:45:40,615 --> 00:45:41,214
patriot high school coming into

1356
00:45:41,214 --> 00:45:44,352
art factory to do an art

1357
00:45:44,352 --> 00:45:47,352
gallery tour and an art

1358
00:45:47,755 --> 00:45:48,688
painting demonstration and they

1359
00:45:48,688 --> 00:45:50,224
can take if you will with an

1360
00:45:50,224 --> 00:45:52,624
artist from this area.

1361
00:46:02,670 --> 00:46:03,437
I would like to thank you for

1362
00:46:03,437 --> 00:46:04,171
your continued support for so

1363
00:46:04,171 --> 00:46:04,705
many years.

1364
00:46:04,705 --> 00:46:05,673
I have only been a member.

1365
00:46:05,673 --> 00:46:05,906
This is my fourth year once I

1366
00:46:05,906 --> 00:46:06,774
retired.

1367
00:46:06,774 --> 00:46:07,675
Masses and you are not doing

1368
00:46:07,675 --> 00:46:08,508
anything tuesday nights.

1369
00:46:08,508 --> 00:46:08,876
Why don't you go.

1370
00:46:08,876 --> 00:46:09,510
And I said yes.

1371
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:13,110
I love the arts in expression

1372
00:46:13,648 --> 00:46:14,582
and ability to have for people

1373
00:46:14,582 --> 00:46:18,152
to just grow as human beings.

1374
00:46:18,152 --> 00:46:18,819
You get the many volunteers an

1375
00:46:18,819 --> 00:46:21,819
opportunity to serve and share

1376
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:26,961
the arts in our community.

1377
00:46:26,961 --> 00:46:27,562
I would ask you listen

1378
00:46:27,562 --> 00:46:28,396
carefully to the speakers

1379
00:46:28,396 --> 00:46:28,863
today.

1380
00:46:28,863 --> 00:46:29,497
I've heard statements i

1381
00:46:29,497 --> 00:46:32,497
totally agree with about the

1382
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,500
arts council.

1383
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:38,706
I think we have room to grow

1384
00:46:38,706 --> 00:46:39,674
together, to work together as

1385
00:46:39,674 --> 00:46:42,310
the board, the arts council,

1386
00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:42,943
board of supervisors and anyone

1387
00:46:42,943 --> 00:46:43,811
that can help bring forward

1388
00:46:43,811 --> 00:46:44,811
what needs to happen in order

1389
00:46:44,811 --> 00:46:45,790
for the arts council to

1390
00:46:45,790 --> 00:46:46,214
continue.

1391
00:46:46,214 --> 00:46:48,214
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1392
00:46:53,721 --> 00:46:54,722
next speaker, please.

1393
00:46:54,722 --> 00:46:56,722
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1394
00:47:01,462 --> 00:47:02,430
you can adjust it.

1395
00:47:02,430 --> 00:47:03,564
>> Public Speaker: my name is

1396
00:47:03,564 --> 00:47:04,198
herbert williams

1397
00:47:04,198 --> 00:47:06,198
.

1398
00:47:06,701 --> 00:47:09,701
I'm a resident of woodbridge.

1399
00:47:16,744 --> 00:47:17,445
Chair, members of the board and

1400
00:47:17,445 --> 00:47:18,246
on executives of the public.

1401
00:47:18,246 --> 00:47:19,247
Before I speak about the

1402
00:47:19,247 --> 00:47:19,981
resolution to dissolve the arts

1403
00:47:19,981 --> 00:47:20,882
council I need to speak clearly

1404
00:47:20,882 --> 00:47:21,849
and directly about myself

1405
00:47:21,849 --> 00:47:22,783
because decisions like this are

1406
00:47:22,783 --> 00:47:25,783
being made without the full

1407
00:47:25,952 --> 00:47:26,854
truth of what happened in my

1408
00:47:26,854 --> 00:47:28,656
name has been used without my

1409
00:47:28,656 --> 00:47:31,560
voice on numerous occasions

1410
00:47:36,497 --> 00:47:37,131
.

1411
00:47:37,131 --> 00:47:37,398
My name is herb williams.

1412
00:47:37,398 --> 00:47:37,999
Of

1413
00:47:37,999 --> 00:47:39,000
professional arts

1414
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:39,634
administrator, educator and

1415
00:47:39,634 --> 00:47:40,100
performer with 35 years of

1416
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:40,968
experience.

1417
00:47:40,968 --> 00:47:42,470
Accepted the roll of the arts

1418
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:44,470
integration specialist in 2022.

1419
00:47:47,575 --> 00:47:49,975
Because I believe prince

1420
00:47:51,546 --> 00:47:52,446
william county is ready to

1421
00:47:52,446 --> 00:47:53,347
build an arts ecosystem that

1422
00:47:53,347 --> 00:47:55,747
was equitable, visible, and

1423
00:47:56,170 --> 00:47:58,170
intentional not symbolic.

1424
00:48:00,555 --> 00:48:01,422
I did not walk away lightly and

1425
00:48:01,422 --> 00:48:01,689
I did not walk away and

1426
00:48:01,689 --> 00:48:02,924
possibly

1427
00:48:02,924 --> 00:48:04,924
.

1428
00:48:05,726 --> 00:48:08,126
Walked away because remaining

1429
00:48:08,129 --> 00:48:09,830
would have required my silence

1430
00:48:09,830 --> 00:48:14,300
in the face of practices I knew

1431
00:48:17,972 --> 00:48:19,400
were wrong.

1432
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:19,974
Early in my tenant and began to

1433
00:48:19,974 --> 00:48:20,641
encounter conditions that

1434
00:48:20,641 --> 00:48:23,641
obstructed the work was hired

1435
00:48:24,245 --> 00:48:24,879
to do.

1436
00:48:24,879 --> 00:48:25,846
Programs approved by my

1437
00:48:25,846 --> 00:48:28,246
immediate supervisor were later

1438
00:48:30,718 --> 00:48:31,385
removed without explanation.

1439
00:48:31,385 --> 00:48:33,785
Volunteer leaders and arts

1440
00:48:37,592 --> 00:48:39,259
council members were dismissed

1441
00:48:39,259 --> 00:48:40,228
,

1442
00:48:40,228 --> 00:48:40,528
talked down to, by two or

1443
00:48:40,528 --> 00:48:41,195
undermined.

1444
00:48:41,195 --> 00:48:42,196
Ethics to engage youth,

1445
00:48:42,196 --> 00:48:42,897
emerging artists, and

1446
00:48:42,897 --> 00:48:43,898
underrepresented communities

1447
00:48:43,898 --> 00:48:45,199
were slowed and discouraged.

1448
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,568
I was repeatedly questioned for

1449
00:48:47,568 --> 00:48:48,469
taking initiatives all being

1450
00:48:48,469 --> 00:48:51,469
given no meaningful pathway to

1451
00:48:53,307 --> 00:48:53,541
advance the work

1452
00:48:53,541 --> 00:48:54,442
.

1453
00:48:54,442 --> 00:48:55,509
At the same time I was asked to

1454
00:48:55,509 --> 00:48:56,843
maintain the appearance of

1455
00:48:56,843 --> 00:48:58,843
progress.

1456
00:48:59,146 --> 00:48:59,680
In this moment I realize

1457
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,680
something critical.

1458
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:06,354
The issue

1459
00:49:06,354 --> 00:49:06,953
is not capacity, the issue was

1460
00:49:06,953 --> 00:49:08,256
not structure, the issue was

1461
00:49:08,256 --> 00:49:10,256
will.

1462
00:49:11,225 --> 00:49:15,929
I did not come in with what I

1463
00:49:15,929 --> 00:49:17,665
believe is a responsible county

1464
00:49:17,665 --> 00:49:19,665
employees should do.

1465
00:49:20,801 --> 00:49:22,904
I wasn't capable of doing in

1466
00:49:22,904 --> 00:49:25,904
that situation so I worked

1467
00:49:26,474 --> 00:49:27,475
around it.

1468
00:49:27,475 --> 00:49:30,475
I raised questions, reached out

1469
00:49:31,946 --> 00:49:35,546
to supervisors not to secure or

1470
00:49:35,816 --> 00:49:36,830
accuse anything, but to explain

1471
00:49:36,830 --> 00:49:37,180
.

1472
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:39,954
I offered solutions grounded in

1473
00:49:39,954 --> 00:49:40,121
professional experience

1474
00:49:40,121 --> 00:49:41,155
.

1475
00:49:41,155 --> 00:49:45,355
I work beyond my paid hours ago

1476
00:49:47,128 --> 00:49:47,995
represented prince with them

1477
00:49:47,995 --> 00:49:48,696
county in regional spaces and

1478
00:49:48,696 --> 00:49:49,497
returned those resources

1479
00:49:49,497 --> 00:49:50,231
directly back to the arts

1480
00:49:50,231 --> 00:49:52,231
council because integrity

1481
00:49:56,404 --> 00:49:56,671
mattered to me

1482
00:49:56,671 --> 00:49:57,405
.

1483
00:49:57,405 --> 00:49:58,339
There were only two supervisors

1484
00:49:58,339 --> 00:50:02,376
I was able to have listened to

1485
00:50:02,376 --> 00:50:03,770
gain audience with the.

1486
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:03,978
One by telephone, which was a

1487
00:50:03,978 --> 00:50:05,978
45 minute conversation with

1488
00:50:09,250 --> 00:50:10,251
supervisor bailey.

1489
00:50:10,251 --> 00:50:13,251
The next was supervisor angry

1490
00:50:14,355 --> 00:50:15,323
who sat with me on a sunday and

1491
00:50:15,323 --> 00:50:15,723
previously after that on a

1492
00:50:15,723 --> 00:50:17,723
saturday.

1493
00:50:21,495 --> 00:50:22,363
There comes a point public

1494
00:50:22,363 --> 00:50:23,970
service when you must decide

1495
00:50:23,970 --> 00:50:26,697
whether your roll is to comply

1496
00:50:28,369 --> 00:50:29,300
or protect the mission.

1497
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:29,871
I was told directly by the

1498
00:50:29,871 --> 00:50:30,538
director, overseeing the arts

1499
00:50:30,538 --> 00:50:31,500
council that it was his hope

1500
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:32,473
the arts council.

1501
00:50:32,473 --> 00:50:34,473
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1502
00:50:36,978 --> 00:50:37,578
I apologize.

1503
00:50:37,578 --> 00:50:38,479
Our timer went down.

1504
00:50:38,479 --> 00:50:39,460
You have gone over the three

1505
00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:41,249
minutes but thank you.

1506
00:50:41,249 --> 00:50:41,315
I apologize

1507
00:50:41,315 --> 00:50:41,581
.

1508
00:50:41,581 --> 00:50:43,581
Thank you.

1509
00:50:47,187 --> 00:50:49,187
>> Public Speaker: good

1510
00:50:53,661 --> 00:50:54,950
afternoon MADAM Chair and

1511
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:54,462
supervisors.

1512
00:50:54,462 --> 00:50:55,563
My name is don.

1513
00:50:55,563 --> 00:50:58,563
I live in the woodbridge

1514
00:50:59,667 --> 00:51:00,267
district.

1515
00:51:00,267 --> 00:51:01,168
I am elected on the arts

1516
00:51:01,168 --> 00:51:03,137
council the vice chair

1517
00:51:03,137 --> 00:51:04,138
programming, also the appointee

1518
00:51:04,138 --> 00:51:05,720
of occoquan district supervisor

1519
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:05,740
boddye.

1520
00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:09,760
Today I speak on behalf of

1521
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,111
myself and my position as

1522
00:51:10,111 --> 00:51:12,547
someone involved in the arts

1523
00:51:12,547 --> 00:51:15,917
and arts community with my own

1524
00:51:15,917 --> 00:51:19,820
business as well as a poet, a

1525
00:51:19,820 --> 00:51:20,555
writer and an author.

1526
00:51:20,555 --> 00:51:24,192
And I sat on the board for the

1527
00:51:24,192 --> 00:51:24,892
past two years.

1528
00:51:24,892 --> 00:51:27,395
I want to speak to the lack of

1529
00:51:27,395 --> 00:51:29,430
notice and transparency of the

1530
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:30,831
request for the disillusion on

1531
00:51:30,831 --> 00:51:32,831
the agenda.

1532
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:35,680
We were not notified

1533
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:36,671
, nor is a

1534
00:51:36,671 --> 00:51:37,710
member of the arts council

1535
00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:39,710
.

1536
00:51:39,874 --> 00:51:40,741
Having to participate as vice

1537
00:51:40,741 --> 00:51:43,141
chair programming in any

1538
00:51:44,545 --> 00:51:44,812
meeting we have with a small

1539
00:51:44,812 --> 00:51:45,446
group or

1540
00:51:45,446 --> 00:51:47,446
council group or

1541
00:51:48,316 --> 00:51:49,317
changes, the notification

1542
00:51:49,317 --> 00:51:50,985
required with 3 to 5 days

1543
00:51:50,985 --> 00:51:53,985
business days notice we were

1544
00:51:55,356 --> 00:51:55,623
not given any type of notice

1545
00:51:55,623 --> 00:51:56,857
like that.

1546
00:51:56,857 --> 00:51:59,160
I want to speak to the lack of

1547
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,610
communication with us as a

1548
00:52:00,610 --> 00:52:01,762
board regarding lawrence

1549
00:52:01,762 --> 00:52:04,980
council with whatever issues

1550
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:08,298
have been going on to come to

1551
00:52:09,804 --> 00:52:10,805
the point of dissolution.

1552
00:52:10,805 --> 00:52:11,405
I do agree that there have been

1553
00:52:11,405 --> 00:52:12,573
several issues with arts

1554
00:52:12,573 --> 00:52:14,973
council, especially within the

1555
00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:15,710
past 4 to 6 months.

1556
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:18,479
I never thought it would be

1557
00:52:18,479 --> 00:52:19,380
something we could not work

1558
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:19,946
through, talked through and

1559
00:52:19,946 --> 00:52:22,946
come to some type of

1560
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:26,319
resolution.

1561
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:27,221
I would like to ask for a

1562
00:52:27,221 --> 00:52:30,221
weight, and delay in the

1563
00:52:34,495 --> 00:52:35,196
dissolving of the arts council

1564
00:52:35,196 --> 00:52:35,662
and see what we can do to bring

1565
00:52:35,662 --> 00:52:37,980
it together.

1566
00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:38,320
Roles and responsibilities need

1567
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:38,665
to be better defined and take a

1568
00:52:38,665 --> 00:52:42,265
look at the charter as there

1569
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:43,136
were mistakes and that.

1570
00:52:43,136 --> 00:52:44,710
For example, the one we had

1571
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:45,640
still said tourism, but it was

1572
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,640
being handled by the department

1573
00:52:53,581 --> 00:52:54,615
of parks and recreation.

1574
00:52:54,615 --> 00:52:56,150
I just want to request there be

1575
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:56,484
a delay in the dissolution the

1576
00:52:56,484 --> 00:52:57,618
arts council.

1577
00:52:57,618 --> 00:52:58,219
The arts council serves a great

1578
00:52:58,219 --> 00:53:01,219
purpose in the community and

1579
00:53:03,357 --> 00:53:03,991
under working hard with the

1580
00:53:03,991 --> 00:53:04,892
member the arts council to

1581
00:53:04,892 --> 00:53:05,793
spread the word about the arts

1582
00:53:05,793 --> 00:53:06,394
council because so many

1583
00:53:06,394 --> 00:53:08,794
residents in prince william

1584
00:53:13,601 --> 00:53:14,468
county are not aware of the

1585
00:53:14,468 --> 00:53:15,200
arts council and the work they

1586
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:15,302
do but they want to be

1587
00:53:15,302 --> 00:53:16,300
represented.

1588
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:16,938
I had the opportunity to

1589
00:53:16,938 --> 00:53:17,271
participate in victor increase

1590
00:53:17,271 --> 00:53:18,720
community day.

1591
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:23,444
I did a tent in the park to let

1592
00:53:23,444 --> 00:53:24,445
residents know about arts

1593
00:53:24,445 --> 00:53:25,450
council and it was wonderful.

1594
00:53:25,450 --> 00:53:26,130
So many people learned about

1595
00:53:26,130 --> 00:53:30,213
the arts council and I got to

1596
00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:38,793
give away all the -- to the

1597
00:53:38,793 --> 00:53:39,660
people in the community and

1598
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:40,161
they wanted to know how they

1599
00:53:40,161 --> 00:53:41,620
could be a part.

1600
00:53:41,620 --> 00:53:41,362
It would be sad to see this go

1601
00:53:41,362 --> 00:53:42,630
and it was

1602
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:42,530
something that is

1603
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:43,231
definitely needed.

1604
00:53:43,231 --> 00:53:44,165
I think if we put our heads

1605
00:53:44,165 --> 00:53:44,732
together we can make it better

1606
00:53:44,732 --> 00:53:45,533
than it ever has been.

1607
00:53:45,533 --> 00:53:46,534
Thank you for your time.

1608
00:53:46,534 --> 00:53:46,801
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1609
00:53:46,801 --> 00:53:48,801
thank you.

1610
00:53:50,938 --> 00:53:55,138
And I would like to have kelly

1611
00:53:59,947 --> 00:54:00,947
and jill.

1612
00:54:00,947 --> 00:54:02,947
>> Public Speaker: good

1613
00:54:14,729 --> 00:54:15,429
afternoon MADAM Chair.

1614
00:54:15,429 --> 00:54:16,397
My name is kelly and I am a

1615
00:54:16,397 --> 00:54:17,231
prince william county full-time

1616
00:54:17,231 --> 00:54:17,899
artist and ceo of minor

1617
00:54:17,899 --> 00:54:18,733
miracles, PRESIDENT Of art of

1618
00:54:18,733 --> 00:54:19,734
life charities, and all

1619
00:54:19,734 --> 00:54:20,434
volunteer prince william county

1620
00:54:20,434 --> 00:54:21,235
based nonprofit 501(C)(3),

1621
00:54:21,235 --> 00:54:22,236
current secretary in

1622
00:54:22,236 --> 00:54:24,236
brentsville district appointee

1623
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:26,600
for supervisor gordy and I have

1624
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:26,941
been volunteering with arts

1625
00:54:26,941 --> 00:54:27,642
council in several capacities

1626
00:54:27,642 --> 00:54:28,409
since 2019 and I've been in the

1627
00:54:28,409 --> 00:54:29,577
county and the brentsville

1628
00:54:29,577 --> 00:54:30,244
district since 1998.

1629
00:54:30,244 --> 00:54:31,145
I'm taken back as everyone

1630
00:54:31,145 --> 00:54:31,846
mentioned by the total lack of

1631
00:54:31,846 --> 00:54:33,846
transparency and communication

1632
00:54:40,755 --> 00:54:41,455
and plans

1633
00:54:41,455 --> 00:54:42,156
, especially plans

1634
00:54:42,156 --> 00:54:42,690
regarding a motion to dissolve

1635
00:54:42,690 --> 00:54:43,558
the arts council.

1636
00:54:43,558 --> 00:54:43,758
In less than two weeks from

1637
00:54:43,758 --> 00:54:44,592
today.

1638
00:54:44,592 --> 00:54:45,458
This is an important counsel

1639
00:54:45,458 --> 00:54:45,660
that has been around for

1640
00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:46,460
decades

1641
00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:47,128
the prince william county

1642
00:54:47,128 --> 00:54:49,528
strategic plan, which is

1643
00:54:55,870 --> 00:54:56,737
mentioned in this motion states

1644
00:54:56,737 --> 00:54:57,738
enhanced opportunities for

1645
00:54:57,738 --> 00:54:58,739
engagement and communication

1646
00:54:58,739 --> 00:54:59,740
between the public and county

1647
00:54:59,740 --> 00:55:00,741
government fostering dialogue,

1648
00:55:00,741 --> 00:55:01,174
feedback and follow-up to

1649
00:55:01,174 --> 00:55:01,742
promote the shared

1650
00:55:01,742 --> 00:55:02,777
trust,

1651
00:55:02,777 --> 00:55:03,744
understanding and transparency.

1652
00:55:03,744 --> 00:55:04,212
Including formalized response

1653
00:55:04,212 --> 00:55:06,212
time and metrics.

1654
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,147
The arts council chair and

1655
00:55:07,147 --> 00:55:09,547
executive board were not

1656
00:55:10,384 --> 00:55:11,419
consulted at all.

1657
00:55:11,419 --> 00:55:12,180
The dissolution motion states

1658
00:55:12,180 --> 00:55:12,853
whereas the county arts

1659
00:55:12,853 --> 00:55:14,288
community is growing at a

1660
00:55:14,288 --> 00:55:16,288
fast-paced.

1661
00:55:18,993 --> 00:55:19,660
Or of the data and metrics

1662
00:55:19,660 --> 00:55:20,661
provided for the statement.

1663
00:55:20,661 --> 00:55:23,597
The motion also states existing

1664
00:55:23,597 --> 00:55:24,632
arts council is not conducive

1665
00:55:24,632 --> 00:55:27,320
for advancing arts programming

1666
00:55:32,874 --> 00:55:33,741
in education at the pace and

1667
00:55:33,741 --> 00:55:34,342
skill appropriate for a

1668
00:55:34,342 --> 00:55:34,809
community the size of prince

1669
00:55:34,809 --> 00:55:35,409
william.

1670
00:55:35,409 --> 00:55:36,430
Did you know each of the arts

1671
00:55:36,430 --> 00:55:38,430
council allocated $65,000 for

1672
00:55:39,347 --> 00:55:40,281
the entire programs and is

1673
00:55:40,281 --> 00:55:42,681
denied funding for proposed

1674
00:55:42,917 --> 00:55:43,351
ideas recommended by the arts

1675
00:55:43,351 --> 00:55:44,510
council.

1676
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:47,651
Each of the unused money goes

1677
00:55:49,724 --> 00:55:50,458
back for whatever nonrelated,

1678
00:55:50,458 --> 00:55:52,858
non-art related projects but

1679
00:55:58,232 --> 00:55:59,200
the director feels should be

1680
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,535
used for motion states greeting

1681
00:56:00,535 --> 00:56:00,902
an opportunity to explore a new

1682
00:56:00,902 --> 00:56:01,202
organizational

1683
00:56:01,202 --> 00:56:02,236
model to

1684
00:56:02,236 --> 00:56:02,670
accelerate the county strategic

1685
00:56:02,670 --> 00:56:03,671
plan goals.

1686
00:56:03,671 --> 00:56:04,238
Do you have a copy of the new

1687
00:56:04,238 --> 00:56:06,238
organizational plan model?

1688
00:56:07,542 --> 00:56:08,476
What part are you referring to

1689
00:56:08,476 --> 00:56:09,110
as you are accelerating by

1690
00:56:09,110 --> 00:56:11,110
dissolving the council.

1691
00:56:18,653 --> 00:56:19,654
The strategic plan innovate and

1692
00:56:19,654 --> 00:56:20,655
localize how the county

1693
00:56:20,655 --> 00:56:21,689
communicates, delivers, and

1694
00:56:21,689 --> 00:56:22,290
engages the dissolution of the

1695
00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:23,324
motion of the arts council

1696
00:56:23,324 --> 00:56:24,158
states transitioning all county

1697
00:56:24,158 --> 00:56:25,960
aren't events to a private

1698
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:26,627
entity.

1699
00:56:26,627 --> 00:56:27,528
I could go on but I wanted to

1700
00:56:27,528 --> 00:56:28,462
say was recently voted as the

1701
00:56:28,462 --> 00:56:31,399
public arts task force person

1702
00:56:31,399 --> 00:56:32,133
as I been on a track to get

1703
00:56:32,133 --> 00:56:34,368
prompt public art in our county

1704
00:56:34,368 --> 00:56:37,368
for years since 2022, but I've

1705
00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:49,160
learned that can't happen until

1706
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:49,350
we have a public art policy in

1707
00:56:49,350 --> 00:56:50,510
place.

1708
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:50,985
We can't even a public art

1709
00:56:50,985 --> 00:56:51,852
until the policies in place,

1710
00:56:51,852 --> 00:56:52,820
which won't happen until the

1711
00:56:52,820 --> 00:56:53,454
earliest 2027 which doesn't

1712
00:56:53,454 --> 00:56:54,322
align with your strategic plan.

1713
00:56:54,322 --> 00:56:55,356
As county supervisors if you

1714
00:56:55,356 --> 00:56:56,570
don't have the answers to the

1715
00:56:56,570 --> 00:56:59,657
questions a more which I don't

1716
00:56:59,961 --> 00:57:00,962
have time to tell you about,

1717
00:57:00,962 --> 00:57:01,462
you cannot good faith but the

1718
00:57:01,462 --> 00:57:02,129
motion forward.

1719
00:57:02,129 --> 00:57:02,964
This motion should be denied

1720
00:57:02,964 --> 00:57:03,698
and that should be discussed

1721
00:57:03,698 --> 00:57:06,670
with arts council team and the

1722
00:57:06,670 --> 00:57:07,100
board and I wish director voss

1723
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:09,670
and the team are here today to

1724
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:09,937
address this important thing.

1725
00:57:09,937 --> 00:57:10,971
Thank you.

1726
00:57:10,971 --> 00:57:12,971
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1727
00:57:20,548 --> 00:57:21,549
next speaker, please.

1728
00:57:21,549 --> 00:57:22,116
>> Public Speaker: my name is

1729
00:57:22,116 --> 00:57:22,717
jill and I'm the executive

1730
00:57:22,717 --> 00:57:23,551
director of the northern

1731
00:57:23,551 --> 00:57:24,185
virginia affordable housing

1732
00:57:24,185 --> 00:57:26,587
lien so thank you for the

1733
00:57:26,587 --> 00:57:27,488
opportunity to speak today show

1734
00:57:27,488 --> 00:57:27,889
support for item 11 which is

1735
00:57:27,889 --> 00:57:28,122
the resolution to

1736
00:57:28,122 --> 00:57:28,990
address

1737
00:57:28,990 --> 00:57:31,390
housing obtain ability fast

1738
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:33,861
track measures.

1739
00:57:33,861 --> 00:57:34,762
As board of county supervisors

1740
00:57:34,762 --> 00:57:35,730
past housing chapter the comp

1741
00:57:35,730 --> 00:57:36,330
plan, just over three years ago

1742
00:57:36,330 --> 00:57:37,732
to date we know you been

1743
00:57:37,732 --> 00:57:39,800
working hard to address housing

1744
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,735
of art ability by improving the

1745
00:57:40,735 --> 00:57:41,969
affordable dwelling unit

1746
00:57:41,969 --> 00:57:44,369
ordinance and the affordable

1747
00:57:53,681 --> 00:57:54,448
housing fund and the guidelines

1748
00:57:54,448 --> 00:57:55,416
to support that fund, which we

1749
00:57:55,416 --> 00:57:56,317
know where to best practices we

1750
00:57:56,317 --> 00:57:57,285
know this work has been patient

1751
00:57:57,285 --> 00:57:58,152
and slow and so I commend your

1752
00:57:58,152 --> 00:57:59,860
consideration to look at

1753
00:57:59,860 --> 00:57:59,954
additional methods to fast

1754
00:57:59,954 --> 00:58:00,955
track or green tape housing

1755
00:58:00,955 --> 00:58:03,355
projects that address housing

1756
00:58:08,162 --> 00:58:08,896
affordability.

1757
00:58:08,896 --> 00:58:09,664
Before initiatives ranging from

1758
00:58:09,664 --> 00:58:10,665
using land owned by faith

1759
00:58:10,665 --> 00:58:11,666
communities to access a really

1760
00:58:11,666 --> 00:58:12,667
living units to dining homes to

1761
00:58:12,667 --> 00:58:14,869
using county owned land to help

1762
00:58:14,869 --> 00:58:16,869
develop attainable housing.

1763
00:58:17,138 --> 00:58:17,737
We

1764
00:58:17,737 --> 00:58:18,606
are seeing this happen in

1765
00:58:18,606 --> 00:58:20,606
another jurisdiction so

1766
00:58:21,509 --> 00:58:23,509
appreciate prince william

1767
00:58:27,815 --> 00:58:28,816
county is taking a look at it.

1768
00:58:28,816 --> 00:58:29,817
Think it is a potential to

1769
00:58:29,817 --> 00:58:30,450
address housing affordability

1770
00:58:30,450 --> 00:58:32,850
issues in the county.

1771
00:58:36,490 --> 00:58:37,491
Thank you for the time.

1772
00:58:37,491 --> 00:58:38,920
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1773
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:39,590
thank you so very much.

1774
00:58:39,590 --> 00:58:39,994
We don't have anyone signed up.

1775
00:58:39,994 --> 00:58:40,728
I ask everyone to make sure you

1776
00:58:40,728 --> 00:58:45,233
have a seat if you are going to

1777
00:58:45,233 --> 00:58:45,867
be in board chambers.

1778
00:58:45,867 --> 00:58:46,868
Not my role, fire marshal.

1779
00:58:46,868 --> 00:58:47,735
I am now going to go to promote

1780
00:58:47,735 --> 00:58:48,135
public comment time.

1781
00:58:48,135 --> 00:58:48,903
supervisor bailey.

1782
00:58:48,903 --> 00:58:49,570
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

1783
00:58:49,570 --> 00:58:50,270
thank you very much.

1784
00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:53,270
Are we ready to start?

1785
00:58:56,244 --> 00:58:56,744
!

1786
00:58:56,744 --> 00:58:57,440
Good afternoon.

1787
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:57,845
Yes, we are.

1788
00:58:57,845 --> 00:58:58,312
Our first speaker will be MISS

1789
00:58:58,312 --> 00:58:59,130
Sarah.

1790
00:58:59,130 --> 00:59:01,413
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

1791
00:59:01,849 --> 00:59:04,249
you can begin, please.

1792
00:59:10,157 --> 00:59:11,192
>> Public Speaker: I am sarah

1793
00:59:11,192 --> 00:59:11,459
and I reside in the brentsville

1794
00:59:11,459 --> 00:59:12,293
district.

1795
00:59:12,293 --> 00:59:13,160
I am a resident in my family

1796
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,360
and I are fortunate to own a

1797
00:59:21,334 --> 00:59:22,336
home that backed up to the open

1798
00:59:22,336 --> 00:59:23,304
wooded space in the community.

1799
00:59:23,304 --> 00:59:24,272
The proposed dominion energy

1800
00:59:24,272 --> 00:59:25,373
blue line will destroy the land

1801
00:59:25,373 --> 00:59:26,340
in place powerlines incredibly

1802
00:59:26,340 --> 00:59:27,241
close to my private backyard.

1803
00:59:27,241 --> 00:59:28,175
Here to say, think that ask you

1804
00:59:28,175 --> 00:59:28,943
to insert your authority until

1805
00:59:28,943 --> 00:59:31,943
dominion energy that you would

1806
00:59:32,246 --> 00:59:32,780
not approved the easements for

1807
00:59:32,780 --> 00:59:35,780
the roof I blue line

1808
00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:39,987
transmission.

1809
00:59:39,987 --> 00:59:40,655
We need you to wait for

1810
00:59:40,655 --> 00:59:43,655
dominion energy to file with

1811
00:59:44,580 --> 00:59:48,258
the fcc in 2026 or it will be

1812
00:59:54,468 --> 00:59:55,469
too late.

1813
00:59:55,469 --> 00:59:55,735
70 percent of projects filed or

1814
00:59:55,735 --> 00:59:57,735
approved.

1815
00:59:57,905 --> 01:00:01,505
The best time to stockton is

1816
01:00:08,490 --> 01:00:08,783
before they are filed.

1817
01:00:08,783 --> 01:00:09,550
We know that you have said no

1818
01:00:09,550 --> 01:00:10,284
to dominion before.

1819
01:00:10,284 --> 01:00:11,285
In fact, that happen twice.

1820
01:00:11,285 --> 01:00:14,285
The board stopped dominion for

1821
01:00:14,689 --> 01:00:15,623
the carver road project and

1822
01:00:15,623 --> 01:00:16,824
horn baker proposed routes

1823
01:00:16,824 --> 01:00:17,725
forcing dominion to find the

1824
01:00:17,725 --> 01:00:18,626
other routes peer group 5 goes

1825
01:00:18,626 --> 01:00:20,561
through county protected open

1826
01:00:20,561 --> 01:00:23,561
space as well as ghostly

1827
01:00:24,632 --> 01:00:27,320
protective conservation area on

1828
01:00:27,735 --> 01:00:28,703
patriot high school.

1829
01:00:28,703 --> 01:00:30,938
Route 5 goes did the county

1830
01:00:30,938 --> 01:00:31,606
parkland.

1831
01:00:31,606 --> 01:00:34,606
this will destroy the areas

1832
01:00:37,345 --> 01:00:37,812
whether they are above or below

1833
01:00:37,812 --> 01:00:38,679
ground.

1834
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:39,680
These would cause even more

1835
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,515
devastation in place a line in

1836
01:00:41,515 --> 01:00:44,719
between a natural gas and oil

1837
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:45,419
line, which is very dangerous

1838
01:00:45,419 --> 01:00:48,419
to give aboveground the towers

1839
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:54,795
would cause approximately 30

1840
01:00:54,795 --> 01:00:55,663
percent lower property values,

1841
01:00:55,663 --> 01:00:56,497
as well as being extremely

1842
01:00:56,497 --> 01:00:57,164
close to our backyards.

1843
01:00:57,164 --> 01:00:58,990
Route 5 will be closed at

1844
01:00:58,990 --> 01:00:58,799
patriot high school and t clay

1845
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:00,799
wood elementary school.

1846
01:01:01,435 --> 01:01:02,837
On the areas listed above under

1847
01:01:02,837 --> 01:01:02,937
the county jurisdiction

1848
01:01:02,937 --> 01:01:04,937
.

1849
01:01:06,374 --> 01:01:07,173
In order to move forward,

1850
01:01:07,173 --> 01:01:10,173
dominion needs you to grant

1851
01:01:11,178 --> 01:01:13,578
easements across these areas

1852
01:01:17,218 --> 01:01:17,852
along the route 5 blueline.

1853
01:01:17,852 --> 01:01:18,386
Us the board don't have to

1854
01:01:18,386 --> 01:01:20,386
grant these easements.

1855
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:22,623
You can say no to dominion

1856
01:01:22,623 --> 01:01:24,623
route 5 blueline now.

1857
01:01:27,795 --> 01:01:28,763
Thank you very much.

1858
01:01:28,763 --> 01:01:30,298
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

1859
01:01:30,298 --> 01:01:32,298
next speaker, please.

1860
01:01:51,518 --> 01:01:52,520
MS. Gardner, please begin.

1861
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,154
>> Public Speaker: good

1862
01:01:53,154 --> 01:01:54,210
afternoon board, county

1863
01:01:54,210 --> 01:01:54,989
supervisors thank you for

1864
01:01:54,989 --> 01:01:55,423
allowing me to speak today.

1865
01:01:55,423 --> 01:01:57,240
Eitan katie gardner.

1866
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:57,725
I live in the brentsville

1867
01:01:57,725 --> 01:01:58,625
district and I too am here to

1868
01:01:58,625 --> 01:01:59,493
talk about urging you to stop

1869
01:01:59,493 --> 01:02:02,493
dominion in the jeep proposed

1870
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:03,397
blueline.

1871
01:02:03,397 --> 01:02:04,265
I speak with the perspective as

1872
01:02:04,265 --> 01:02:07,340
a mother of four and a proud

1873
01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:08,702
military wife

1874
01:02:08,702 --> 01:02:09,670
.

1875
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:10,271
My family chose to live in

1876
01:02:10,271 --> 01:02:12,671
prince william county three

1877
01:02:15,576 --> 01:02:16,209
years ago when we moved here

1878
01:02:16,209 --> 01:02:17,111
after much research.

1879
01:02:17,111 --> 01:02:18,450
I have loved every moment of

1880
01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:20,381
living here in prince william

1881
01:02:20,381 --> 01:02:21,150
county.

1882
01:02:21,150 --> 01:02:22,160
I have lived all over the

1883
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,885
country and I can say prince

1884
01:02:23,885 --> 01:02:24,719
william county to meet is the

1885
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:27,719
closest and it's really great

1886
01:02:28,556 --> 01:02:28,823
and I love it so much

1887
01:02:28,823 --> 01:02:29,457
.

1888
01:02:29,457 --> 01:02:30,291
I feel like that vision is

1889
01:02:30,291 --> 01:02:31,259
about to shatter at the

1890
01:02:31,259 --> 01:02:32,126
proposed powerline route gets

1891
01:02:32,126 --> 01:02:32,827
approved.

1892
01:02:32,827 --> 01:02:35,827
The blue line 1. I'm really

1893
01:02:36,197 --> 01:02:38,632
worried about it even reaching

1894
01:02:38,632 --> 01:02:40,632
the ssc.

1895
01:02:41,836 --> 01:02:42,470
As many of spoken before behind

1896
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:46,670
where I live is a bunch of

1897
01:02:53,140 --> 01:02:53,548
woods where my children spend

1898
01:02:53,548 --> 01:02:54,916
their entire summers.

1899
01:02:54,916 --> 01:02:55,917
They are often out exploring,

1900
01:02:55,917 --> 01:02:57,852
building, experiencing

1901
01:02:57,852 --> 01:02:58,586
childhood as it should be.

1902
01:02:58,586 --> 01:03:01,586
But this blueline will destroy

1903
01:03:07,395 --> 01:03:08,396
this natural habitat, eliminate

1904
01:03:08,396 --> 01:03:09,130
their safe outdoor space in but

1905
01:03:09,130 --> 01:03:10,531
hazardous, noisy, industrial I

1906
01:03:10,531 --> 01:03:10,731
sort right where they used to

1907
01:03:10,731 --> 01:03:11,399
play.

1908
01:03:11,399 --> 01:03:12,733
It will kill the wildlife,/are

1909
01:03:12,733 --> 01:03:13,334
property values and limit our

1910
01:03:13,334 --> 01:03:13,601
children's option for outdoor

1911
01:03:13,601 --> 01:03:14,235
play.

1912
01:03:14,235 --> 01:03:16,635
We cannot allow taxpayer

1913
01:03:20,208 --> 01:03:20,942
dollars to fund this expensive

1914
01:03:20,942 --> 01:03:22,176
extension cord for data centers

1915
01:03:22,176 --> 01:03:23,143
for the project prioritizes

1916
01:03:23,143 --> 01:03:25,543
temporary needs over the

1917
01:03:25,980 --> 01:03:27,980
long-term well-being of

1918
01:03:28,783 --> 01:03:30,783
citizens you represent.

1919
01:03:32,286 --> 01:03:33,187
I implore you to consider this

1920
01:03:33,187 --> 01:03:33,454
long-term impact on the

1921
01:03:33,454 --> 01:03:34,355
community.

1922
01:03:34,355 --> 01:03:35,723
Is another county plans on

1923
01:03:35,723 --> 01:03:38,123
extending the four your

1924
01:03:46,701 --> 01:03:47,401
assignment with the space for

1925
01:03:47,401 --> 01:03:48,201
us to try to live here longer

1926
01:03:48,201 --> 01:03:48,402
because we love it here so

1927
01:03:48,402 --> 01:03:49,270
much.

1928
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:49,904
If the towers are built I see

1929
01:03:49,904 --> 01:03:52,406
no other option than moving

1930
01:03:52,406 --> 01:03:53,374
away once his assignment ends,

1931
01:03:53,374 --> 01:03:53,574
which absolutely breaks my

1932
01:03:53,574 --> 01:03:54,442
heart.

1933
01:03:54,442 --> 01:03:56,143
I recommended prince william

1934
01:03:56,143 --> 01:03:56,677
county to so many fellow

1935
01:03:56,677 --> 01:03:57,311
military families, and I

1936
01:03:57,311 --> 01:04:00,281
believe this is a great place

1937
01:04:00,281 --> 01:04:00,982
to live.

1938
01:04:00,982 --> 01:04:03,982
If corporate needs are deemed

1939
01:04:11,492 --> 01:04:12,126
more important than citizens, I

1940
01:04:12,126 --> 01:04:12,793
feel like I can no longer

1941
01:04:12,793 --> 01:04:13,628
represent this area.

1942
01:04:13,628 --> 01:04:14,529
Prince william county risks not

1943
01:04:14,529 --> 01:04:16,130
just losing my family but

1944
01:04:16,130 --> 01:04:16,731
damaging its reputation and

1945
01:04:16,731 --> 01:04:17,465
jeopardizing future military

1946
01:04:17,465 --> 01:04:17,764
connected schools enrollment

1947
01:04:17,764 --> 01:04:18,633
and funding.

1948
01:04:18,633 --> 01:04:19,633
We believe you have the power

1949
01:04:19,633 --> 01:04:22,633
to stop this before dominion

1950
01:04:33,548 --> 01:04:34,480
files we are desperate and

1951
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:34,615
can't do it without you.

1952
01:04:34,615 --> 01:04:36,617
I urge you to vote no and

1953
01:04:36,617 --> 01:04:37,552
protect our community and

1954
01:04:37,552 --> 01:04:38,553
children in the high quality of

1955
01:04:38,553 --> 01:04:39,530
life that makes prince william

1956
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:40,988
county so special.

1957
01:04:40,988 --> 01:04:41,455
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

1958
01:04:41,455 --> 01:04:42,560
next speaker, please.

1959
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:42,757
>> our next is david.

1960
01:04:42,757 --> 01:04:43,157
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

1961
01:04:43,157 --> 01:04:45,157
please begin.

1962
01:04:47,610 --> 01:04:47,962
>> Public Speaker: david.

1963
01:04:47,962 --> 01:04:48,963
I also live in the bristow,

1964
01:04:48,963 --> 01:04:50,965
part of the brentsville

1965
01:04:50,965 --> 01:04:51,966
district.

1966
01:04:51,966 --> 01:04:54,468
I am here talking on the same

1967
01:04:54,468 --> 01:04:55,469
issue, the blue line.

1968
01:04:55,469 --> 01:04:57,338
I work from home several days a

1969
01:04:57,338 --> 01:04:57,939
week.

1970
01:04:57,939 --> 01:04:59,240
My window looks out on a

1971
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,240
beautiful tree line the homes

1972
01:05:06,547 --> 01:05:07,281
behind me.

1973
01:05:07,281 --> 01:05:08,149
If dominion comes in, they are

1974
01:05:08,149 --> 01:05:11,149
going to destroy these trees

1975
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:13,854
and destroy the habitat.

1976
01:05:13,854 --> 01:05:14,789
I walk, I run, my children walk

1977
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:15,890
and run along the path into the

1978
01:05:15,890 --> 01:05:15,890
parkland

1979
01:05:15,890 --> 01:05:18,290
on the roadways here.

1980
01:05:20,940 --> 01:05:20,862
It will be ruined.

1981
01:05:20,862 --> 01:05:21,596
i get up in the morning, I see

1982
01:05:21,596 --> 01:05:22,196
deer and coyote, fox and

1983
01:05:22,196 --> 01:05:22,263
raccoon

1984
01:05:22,263 --> 01:05:24,263
.

1985
01:05:24,899 --> 01:05:25,266
We have endangered toads around

1986
01:05:25,266 --> 01:05:27,266
the area.

1987
01:05:29,503 --> 01:05:29,704
The blue line will destroy

1988
01:05:29,704 --> 01:05:30,371
that.

1989
01:05:30,371 --> 01:05:30,738
I'm concerned about my

1990
01:05:30,738 --> 01:05:32,738
neighbors

1991
01:05:44,918 --> 01:05:45,887
.

1992
01:05:45,887 --> 01:05:46,921
I am from california when I

1993
01:05:46,921 --> 01:05:47,889
went to high school and college

1994
01:05:47,889 --> 01:05:48,890
become seen the devastation

1995
01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:49,891
wildfires cause, but I see what

1996
01:05:49,891 --> 01:05:50,558
happens after the fact when the

1997
01:05:50,558 --> 01:05:51,392
vegetation and the trees are

1998
01:05:51,392 --> 01:05:52,126
gone, the homes on mountain

1999
01:05:52,126 --> 01:05:53,270
corridor on home hills and if

2000
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:53,894
the trees are gone, what's

2001
01:05:53,894 --> 01:05:54,395
going to happen with the

2002
01:05:54,395 --> 01:05:55,329
weather roshan?

2003
01:05:55,329 --> 01:05:55,963
When I went to a dominion

2004
01:05:55,963 --> 01:05:58,466
valley meeting they said the

2005
01:05:58,466 --> 01:05:59,467
roots are still there.

2006
01:05:59,467 --> 01:06:00,434
Roots are biodegradable.

2007
01:06:00,434 --> 01:06:01,435
Those will go away at some

2008
01:06:01,435 --> 01:06:02,135
point.

2009
01:06:02,135 --> 01:06:06,335
My final thing I want to bring

2010
01:06:06,606 --> 01:06:09,143
up is we commended the first

2011
01:06:09,143 --> 01:06:11,543
responders in lakeridge with

2012
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:12,747
the gas leak and I commend

2013
01:06:12,747 --> 01:06:13,481
them.

2014
01:06:13,481 --> 01:06:15,582
Hat is a dangerous,

2015
01:06:15,582 --> 01:06:16,517
scary situation.

2016
01:06:16,517 --> 01:06:17,351
What we are talking about here

2017
01:06:17,351 --> 01:06:19,351
could happen.

2018
01:06:19,487 --> 01:06:21,487
Think about it.

2019
01:06:22,623 --> 01:06:26,223
Dominion energy wants to put a

2020
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:32,967
high intensity powerline right

2021
01:06:32,967 --> 01:06:33,801
between two highly flammable

2022
01:06:33,801 --> 01:06:34,802
gas lines what if the same

2023
01:06:34,802 --> 01:06:35,503
situation was to happen here in

2024
01:06:35,503 --> 01:06:38,739
bristow with all of these homes

2025
01:06:38,739 --> 01:06:42,339
with the schools in an ignition

2026
01:06:45,213 --> 01:06:45,846
system for flammable gas.

2027
01:06:45,846 --> 01:06:46,714
This is not safe for our

2028
01:06:46,714 --> 01:06:47,715
families and neighborhood.

2029
01:06:47,715 --> 01:06:50,151
I've been told dominion energy

2030
01:06:50,151 --> 01:06:51,850
will ask the recommendation of

2031
01:06:51,850 --> 01:06:51,219
the board of supervisors

2032
01:06:51,219 --> 01:06:53,219
, in

2033
01:06:54,487 --> 01:06:56,791
particular a representative for

2034
01:06:56,791 --> 01:06:57,490
the brentsville district.

2035
01:06:57,490 --> 01:06:59,890
For recommendation of which

2036
01:07:02,530 --> 01:07:03,531
line to take.

2037
01:07:03,531 --> 01:07:04,398
I don't like any of the lines I

2038
01:07:04,398 --> 01:07:06,798
know it affects everyone,

2039
01:07:08,702 --> 01:07:10,702
including my supervisor.

2040
01:07:13,407 --> 01:07:14,942
With the power to say no

2041
01:07:14,942 --> 01:07:15,309
.

2042
01:07:15,309 --> 01:07:15,676
You do have the

2043
01:07:15,676 --> 01:07:16,577
power to say no

2044
01:07:16,577 --> 01:07:19,800
or not recommend, not give them

2045
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:19,680
easements.

2046
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,280
We need you to not allow

2047
01:07:27,455 --> 01:07:29,891
dominion energy to move forward

2048
01:07:29,891 --> 01:07:30,424
.

2049
01:07:30,424 --> 01:07:31,392
I can only speak to the

2050
01:07:31,392 --> 01:07:32,226
blueline because of my concerns

2051
01:07:32,226 --> 01:07:32,860
about the effect on the

2052
01:07:32,860 --> 01:07:33,760
environment and the safety

2053
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,998
issues that we have and again,

2054
01:07:36,998 --> 01:07:37,665
you commended first responders.

2055
01:07:37,665 --> 01:07:41,265
I don't want them down that

2056
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,204
risk.

2057
01:07:43,204 --> 01:07:43,471
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2058
01:07:43,471 --> 01:07:43,804
thank you.

2059
01:07:43,804 --> 01:07:45,804
Next speaker.

2060
01:07:47,542 --> 01:07:48,442
>> next speaker is steve.

2061
01:07:48,442 --> 01:07:49,577
>> Public Speaker: good

2062
01:07:49,577 --> 01:07:50,244
afternoon board members

2063
01:07:50,244 --> 01:07:51,212
.

2064
01:07:51,212 --> 01:07:54,212
I'm steve from the occoquan

2065
01:07:57,418 --> 01:07:58,119
district.

2066
01:07:58,119 --> 01:07:58,818
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2067
01:07:58,818 --> 01:07:59,554
could you speak louder.

2068
01:07:59,554 --> 01:08:00,922
>> Public Speaker: how is

2069
01:08:00,922 --> 01:08:01,656
that?

2070
01:08:01,656 --> 01:08:04,656
My remarks this afternoon are

2071
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:06,661
going to address item 7-a

2072
01:08:06,661 --> 01:08:07,395
,

2073
01:08:07,395 --> 01:08:08,629
dumped local foundation and

2074
01:08:08,629 --> 01:08:10,629
soil management ordinance

2075
01:08:11,499 --> 01:08:12,200
countywide.

2076
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,200
Why is the board considering

2077
01:08:15,937 --> 01:08:16,938
the tax payer money to support

2078
01:08:16,938 --> 01:08:17,438
private and commercial

2079
01:08:17,438 --> 01:08:17,572
foundation repairs?

2080
01:08:17,572 --> 01:08:18,573
Es, i

2081
01:08:18,573 --> 01:08:21,573
understand the state has passed

2082
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:23,510
the bill in the governor signed

2083
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:25,510
it this year.

2084
01:08:27,882 --> 01:08:28,149
This initiative needs to not be

2085
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:29,500
supported.

2086
01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:29,984
The majority party in the board

2087
01:08:29,984 --> 01:08:32,984
of county supervisors has been

2088
01:08:36,857 --> 01:08:37,625
touting housing affordability

2089
01:08:37,625 --> 01:08:38,910
for the past 2+ years.

2090
01:08:38,910 --> 01:08:38,626
Now with the

2091
01:08:38,626 --> 01:08:40,626
passage of the

2092
01:08:41,262 --> 01:08:41,395
board, if it is passed today

2093
01:08:41,395 --> 01:08:42,363
,

2094
01:08:42,363 --> 01:08:45,363
property owners would be tasked

2095
01:08:47,668 --> 01:08:47,969
more the fund an additional

2096
01:08:47,969 --> 01:08:48,669
initiative.

2097
01:08:48,669 --> 01:08:48,970
This foundation repair

2098
01:08:48,970 --> 01:08:50,970
initiative.

2099
01:08:51,105 --> 01:08:53,505
This initiative counters the

2100
01:08:54,242 --> 01:08:56,242
majority housing affordability

2101
01:08:56,878 --> 01:08:58,878
awareness because property

2102
01:08:59,914 --> 01:09:00,882
owners are going to be taxed

2103
01:09:00,882 --> 01:09:02,483
significantly more to fund this

2104
01:09:02,483 --> 01:09:03,184
initiative.

2105
01:09:03,184 --> 01:09:05,184
Foundation repair companies

2106
01:09:06,519 --> 01:09:07,455
have financed vehicles on

2107
01:09:07,455 --> 01:09:10,455
property owners to have their

2108
01:09:10,591 --> 01:09:11,259
repairs funded.

2109
01:09:11,259 --> 01:09:12,426
I'm familiar with this as I

2110
01:09:12,426 --> 01:09:14,595
recently had foundation repairs

2111
01:09:14,595 --> 01:09:15,730
completed on our home

2112
01:09:15,730 --> 01:09:16,664
.

2113
01:09:16,664 --> 01:09:21,464
Now the board is going to be a

2114
01:09:22,270 --> 01:09:23,337
financial institute to fund

2115
01:09:23,337 --> 01:09:23,571
private commercial foundation

2116
01:09:23,571 --> 01:09:24,138
repairs.

2117
01:09:24,138 --> 01:09:26,538
Ome will have to

2118
01:09:28,142 --> 01:09:28,843
manage this program.

2119
01:09:28,843 --> 01:09:29,744
Now the county would have to

2120
01:09:29,744 --> 01:09:30,778
add more fte in the future

2121
01:09:30,778 --> 01:09:33,347
budget to which is a permanent

2122
01:09:33,347 --> 01:09:34,181
cost because they're going to

2123
01:09:34,181 --> 01:09:37,781
have to be tax on property

2124
01:09:38,819 --> 01:09:39,220
owners to pay for the new fte

2125
01:09:39,220 --> 01:09:39,921
and their

2126
01:09:39,921 --> 01:09:41,921
perpetual benefits.

2127
01:09:44,458 --> 01:09:45,920
My additional concerns are why

2128
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:46,270
should the prince william

2129
01:09:46,270 --> 01:09:47,195
county government take on the

2130
01:09:47,195 --> 01:09:50,195
roll to be responsible for

2131
01:09:50,464 --> 01:09:52,466
repairing the private and

2132
01:09:52,466 --> 01:09:52,800
community commercial property

2133
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,335
in the county.

2134
01:09:54,335 --> 01:09:56,735
We can say no.

2135
01:09:57,471 --> 01:10:01,710
Is this grant free money or

2136
01:10:10,151 --> 01:10:11,219
loan interest to grant loan.

2137
01:10:11,219 --> 01:10:11,852
How and what accountability

2138
01:10:11,852 --> 01:10:12,653
safeguards will be established

2139
01:10:12,653 --> 01:10:13,654
to ensure fairness,

2140
01:10:13,654 --> 01:10:14,155
transparency, accuracy and

2141
01:10:14,155 --> 01:10:14,322
inspection reports?

2142
01:10:14,322 --> 01:10:15,156
His is

2143
01:10:15,156 --> 01:10:16,157
the draft ordinance and there

2144
01:10:16,157 --> 01:10:16,856
is nothing in there about

2145
01:10:16,856 --> 01:10:18,920
accountability and how to keep

2146
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:19,920
people accountable.

2147
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:19,660
Foundation repairs are the

2148
01:10:19,660 --> 01:10:20,294
responsibility of the

2149
01:10:20,294 --> 01:10:21,280
homeowners.

2150
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:21,395
Developers and insurance

2151
01:10:21,395 --> 01:10:21,596
companies

2152
01:10:21,596 --> 01:10:22,330
.

2153
01:10:22,330 --> 01:10:24,732
Not in prince william county.

2154
01:10:24,732 --> 01:10:28,680
I urge you to vote no and item

2155
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:29,700
7-8.

2156
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:32,670
I know this ordinance has been

2157
01:10:38,246 --> 01:10:38,746
brought up three times in 2025

2158
01:10:38,746 --> 01:10:39,480
before the board.

2159
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:40,140
And so I urge you to vote no on

2160
01:10:40,140 --> 01:10:40,882
this thank you.

2161
01:10:40,882 --> 01:10:41,249
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2162
01:10:41,249 --> 01:10:43,249
thank you.

2163
01:10:46,621 --> 01:10:47,622
Next speaker.

2164
01:10:47,622 --> 01:10:48,322
>> there are no more speakers.

2165
01:10:48,322 --> 01:10:49,223
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2166
01:10:49,223 --> 01:10:49,423
thank you very much for your

2167
01:10:49,423 --> 01:10:50,224
help.

2168
01:10:50,224 --> 01:10:53,224
MADAM Chair, back to you.

2169
01:10:53,961 --> 01:10:54,562
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2170
01:10:54,562 --> 01:10:55,997
thank you so very much.

2171
01:10:55,997 --> 01:10:56,464
That is our public comment

2172
01:10:56,464 --> 01:10:56,998
time.

2173
01:10:56,998 --> 01:10:57,932
We are now going to go to

2174
01:10:57,932 --> 01:11:00,932
agenda item 7. And that is

2175
01:11:01,702 --> 01:11:03,137
public hearings.

2176
01:11:03,137 --> 01:11:06,140
I am just waiting for the list.

2177
01:11:06,140 --> 01:11:06,841
All right.

2178
01:11:06,841 --> 01:11:07,740
I'm going to open the public

2179
01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:09,740
hearing.

2180
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:09,677
We do not have any

2181
01:11:09,677 --> 01:11:11,677
speakers in person.

2182
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:13,481
Do we have

2183
01:11:13,481 --> 01:11:14,482
anyone online.

2184
01:11:14,482 --> 01:11:16,882
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2185
01:11:19,530 --> 01:11:20,421
we have two people, so I see.

2186
01:11:20,421 --> 01:11:20,988
>> MADAM Vice chair, we have

2187
01:11:20,988 --> 01:11:23,988
nobody online at this time.

2188
01:11:24,825 --> 01:11:25,326
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2189
01:11:25,326 --> 01:11:26,327
thank you so much.

2190
01:11:26,327 --> 01:11:27,328
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2191
01:11:27,328 --> 01:11:27,561
leave no one in person, no one

2192
01:11:27,561 --> 01:11:28,329
online.

2193
01:11:28,329 --> 01:11:31,929
I'm going to close the public

2194
01:11:34,869 --> 01:11:37,269
hearings suit 478 through I.

2195
01:11:39,807 --> 01:11:40,808
Going to separate out 7a

2196
01:11:40,808 --> 01:11:41,742
because I know there will be

2197
01:11:41,742 --> 01:11:43,100
robust discussion and I will

2198
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:43,643
take that at the end.

2199
01:11:43,643 --> 01:11:45,947
Does anyone have anything else

2200
01:11:45,947 --> 01:11:46,847
they want me to separate?

2201
01:11:46,847 --> 01:11:47,415
>> is the public hearing

2202
01:11:47,415 --> 01:11:49,415
closed?

2203
01:11:50,318 --> 01:11:51,285
I did not hear.

2204
01:11:51,285 --> 01:11:53,685
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2205
01:11:54,355 --> 01:11:55,890
it is closed.

2206
01:11:55,890 --> 01:11:57,890
>> I'm sorry.

2207
01:12:00,161 --> 01:12:01,280
There is one person online to

2208
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:01,863
talk if you can still do so.

2209
01:12:01,863 --> 01:12:02,830
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2210
01:12:02,830 --> 01:12:03,731
I will open the public hearing

2211
01:12:03,731 --> 01:12:06,131
to accommodate the gentleman

2212
01:12:07,501 --> 01:12:08,169
available online to speak.

2213
01:12:08,169 --> 01:12:11,169
>> I can't hear, they are

2214
01:12:16,711 --> 01:12:17,245
muted.

2215
01:12:17,245 --> 01:12:19,247
Hold on one second.

2216
01:12:19,247 --> 01:12:21,247
Is he

2217
01:12:21,716 --> 01:12:22,416
allowed to speak?

2218
01:12:22,416 --> 01:12:24,850
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2219
01:12:24,850 --> 01:12:26,850
he is.

2220
01:12:32,259 --> 01:12:33,393
>> go ahead.

2221
01:12:33,393 --> 01:12:33,628
>> Public Speaker: can you hear

2222
01:12:33,628 --> 01:12:34,462
me okay?

2223
01:12:34,462 --> 01:12:34,795
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

2224
01:12:34,795 --> 01:12:35,620
can.

2225
01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:37,620
Thank you.

2226
01:12:37,431 --> 01:12:38,432
>> Public Speaker: for a second

2227
01:12:38,432 --> 01:12:38,599
I thought I was going to be cut

2228
01:12:38,599 --> 01:12:40,268
off.

2229
01:12:40,268 --> 01:12:43,868
I am jack from the woodbridge

2230
01:12:44,138 --> 01:12:44,839
magisterial district.

2231
01:12:44,839 --> 01:12:47,839
thank you for the opportunity

2232
01:12:49,944 --> 01:12:50,945
to speak today.

2233
01:12:50,945 --> 01:12:51,512
I appreciate the board of

2234
01:12:51,512 --> 01:12:53,381
county supervisors and the

2235
01:12:53,381 --> 01:12:54,415
county staff efforts to advance

2236
01:12:54,415 --> 01:12:54,782
the ordinance to establish the

2237
01:12:54,782 --> 01:12:56,551
soil.

2238
01:12:56,551 --> 01:12:59,551
It is a meaningful and

2239
01:13:02,823 --> 01:13:03,758
necessary step to help our

2240
01:13:03,758 --> 01:13:04,759
community and others across the

2241
01:13:04,759 --> 01:13:05,326
county address urgent soil and

2242
01:13:05,326 --> 01:13:07,326
stability concerns.

2243
01:13:08,729 --> 01:13:09,663
If the

2244
01:13:09,663 --> 01:13:10,331
conditions in our community and

2245
01:13:10,331 --> 01:13:10,665
left it will continue to

2246
01:13:10,665 --> 01:13:12,665
worsen.

2247
01:13:14,235 --> 01:13:14,468
We have seen this

2248
01:13:14,468 --> 01:13:15,200
before.

2249
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:15,937
The last time a similar

2250
01:13:15,937 --> 01:13:18,337
situation occurred, the slope

2251
01:13:23,143 --> 01:13:23,644
failed and was ultimately

2252
01:13:23,644 --> 01:13:24,412
condemned.

2253
01:13:24,412 --> 01:13:25,313
According to a standard, this

2254
01:13:25,313 --> 01:13:26,247
is not an isolated incident.

2255
01:13:26,247 --> 01:13:27,515
There have been three slope

2256
01:13:27,515 --> 01:13:27,614
failures

2257
01:13:27,614 --> 01:13:29,614
.

2258
01:13:29,784 --> 01:13:32,784
At first occurred in 1996 to

2259
01:13:34,555 --> 01:13:35,389
repair the damage hoa nor the

2260
01:13:35,389 --> 01:13:38,989
county was able to verify the

2261
01:13:39,193 --> 01:13:40,228
work was actually completed.

2262
01:13:40,228 --> 01:13:43,228
A second failure occurred in

2263
01:13:44,464 --> 01:13:45,433
2007 adjacent to the original

2264
01:13:45,433 --> 01:13:48,568
area and we are facing another

2265
01:13:48,568 --> 01:13:49,203
failure in the same location

2266
01:13:49,203 --> 01:13:49,503
first impacted in 1996

2267
01:13:49,503 --> 01:13:51,503
.

2268
01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:56,740
At the boards meeting we had

2269
01:13:59,947 --> 01:14:00,581
concerns about the use of

2270
01:14:00,581 --> 01:14:01,415
public funds for what were

2271
01:14:01,415 --> 01:14:02,160
described as private issues

2272
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,451
become respectfully offer

2273
01:14:03,451 --> 01:14:04,418
another perspective.

2274
01:14:04,418 --> 01:14:04,986
Homeowners relying good faith

2275
01:14:04,986 --> 01:14:07,386
by that oversight approval

2276
01:14:11,859 --> 01:14:12,893
process which reviewed soils

2277
01:14:12,893 --> 01:14:15,293
reports, inspection and issues

2278
01:14:17,765 --> 01:14:17,932
certificates of occupancy

2279
01:14:17,932 --> 01:14:18,533
.

2280
01:14:18,533 --> 01:14:19,433
Residents were not in a

2281
01:14:19,433 --> 01:14:20,535
position to evaluate the

2282
01:14:20,535 --> 01:14:21,202
complex geotechnical decisions

2283
01:14:21,202 --> 01:14:23,602
or verify whether properly

2284
01:14:27,642 --> 01:14:28,442
repaired instability issue.

2285
01:14:28,442 --> 01:14:30,478
That reliance is fundamental to

2286
01:14:30,478 --> 01:14:31,612
the partnership between the

2287
01:14:31,612 --> 01:14:32,146
county developers, and the

2288
01:14:32,146 --> 01:14:34,546
county developers and the

2289
01:14:36,317 --> 01:14:37,451
communities they serve.

2290
01:14:37,451 --> 01:14:39,451
Current conditions inadequate

2291
01:14:41,389 --> 01:14:44,389
compaction are not do --

2292
01:14:46,294 --> 01:14:46,794
further these efficiencies are

2293
01:14:46,794 --> 01:14:48,794
causing erosion and

2294
01:14:48,863 --> 01:14:49,697
uncontrolled runoff,

2295
01:14:49,697 --> 01:14:50,798
threatening the watershed,

2296
01:14:50,798 --> 01:14:53,798
public safety, in the broader

2297
01:14:54,768 --> 01:14:55,770
community individual properties

2298
01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:56,636
.

2299
01:14:56,636 --> 01:14:57,972
For these reasons we believe

2300
01:14:57,972 --> 01:15:00,373
the public investment in slope

2301
01:15:00,373 --> 01:15:02,373
stabilization remediation

2302
01:15:06,130 --> 01:15:08,413
watershed protection is not

2303
01:15:10,518 --> 01:15:11,185
only appropriate but necessary.

2304
01:15:11,185 --> 01:15:14,185
We respectfully ask the board

2305
01:15:14,522 --> 01:15:15,223
to consider modifications

2306
01:15:15,223 --> 01:15:16,190
,

2307
01:15:16,190 --> 01:15:18,860
structured the fund to accept

2308
01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:19,527
contributions from grants or

2309
01:15:19,527 --> 01:15:21,927
other mitigation programs and

2310
01:15:22,296 --> 01:15:24,232
allow for multiyear grants

2311
01:15:24,232 --> 01:15:26,632
within annual funding cap

2312
01:15:27,735 --> 01:15:28,435
.

2313
01:15:28,435 --> 01:15:31,105
We thank you and appreciate

2314
01:15:31,105 --> 01:15:32,730
your leadership for

2315
01:15:32,730 --> 01:15:34,730
recommendation, recognition of

2316
01:15:35,243 --> 01:15:35,909
challenges are not private

2317
01:15:35,909 --> 01:15:37,311
feathers but the result of

2318
01:15:37,311 --> 01:15:40,311
processes that did not fully

2319
01:15:41,382 --> 01:15:42,550
protect our community and a

2320
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:44,950
developer who failed to

2321
01:15:45,753 --> 01:15:46,454
properly prepare a known issue.

2322
01:15:46,454 --> 01:15:48,854
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2323
01:16:01,350 --> 01:16:01,769
thank you.

2324
01:16:01,769 --> 01:16:02,360
>> we have no speakers this

2325
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:02,270
time.

2326
01:16:02,270 --> 01:16:03,170
Apologize.

2327
01:16:03,170 --> 01:16:03,704
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2328
01:16:03,704 --> 01:16:04,539
no apologies necessary.

2329
01:16:04,539 --> 01:16:05,172
Thank you for your help.

2330
01:16:05,172 --> 01:16:06,541
MADAM Chair, back to you.

2331
01:16:06,541 --> 01:16:07,174
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2332
01:16:07,174 --> 01:16:08,420
going to close the public

2333
01:16:08,420 --> 01:16:08,776
hearings for 7a through 7I.

2334
01:16:08,776 --> 01:16:10,440
What I'm going to do because I

2335
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:10,778
know 7a will have additional

2336
01:16:10,778 --> 01:16:10,945
discussion

2337
01:16:10,945 --> 01:16:11,913
.

2338
01:16:11,913 --> 01:16:12,880
I'm going to pull that off and

2339
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,150
we can get that to the end.

2340
01:16:14,150 --> 01:16:14,949
Does anyone else on the dais

2341
01:16:14,949 --> 01:16:18,549
have anything they want to pull

2342
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:21,489
off?

2343
01:16:21,489 --> 01:16:22,189
Supervisor bailey.

2344
01:16:22,189 --> 01:16:23,560
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2345
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,656
MADAM Chair, I would like to

2346
01:16:26,861 --> 01:16:27,862
poll item 7g.

2347
01:16:27,862 --> 01:16:28,596
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2348
01:16:28,596 --> 01:16:29,530
is this something you're going

2349
01:16:29,530 --> 01:16:30,198
to vote against her highlight

2350
01:16:30,198 --> 01:16:31,332
you have questions?

2351
01:16:31,332 --> 01:16:33,340
All right.

2352
01:16:33,340 --> 01:16:37,234
I would like to get the motion

2353
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:44,812
for 7b through f and 7h and I.

2354
01:16:44,812 --> 01:16:45,460
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2355
01:16:45,460 --> 01:16:45,680
moment.

2356
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:46,480
>> Kenny Boddye: second.

2357
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:47,448
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2358
01:16:47,448 --> 01:16:47,648
any discussions just on those

2359
01:16:47,648 --> 01:16:49,648
items?

2360
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:53,321
If not, let's go ahead and take

2361
01:16:53,321 --> 01:16:54,255
a vote.

2362
01:16:54,255 --> 01:16:55,560
>> supervisor angry?

2363
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:56,157
> Victor Angry: aye.

2364
01:16:56,157 --> 01:16:58,157
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2365
01:16:58,693 --> 01:16:59,227
all right.

2366
01:16:59,227 --> 01:17:01,227
>> the unanimous.

2367
01:17:05,233 --> 01:17:05,967
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2368
01:17:05,967 --> 01:17:08,769
I'm going to go back to 7a.

2369
01:17:08,769 --> 01:17:11,769
First, does anyone have any

2370
01:17:13,774 --> 01:17:13,875
questions

2371
01:17:13,875 --> 01:17:14,342
?

2372
01:17:14,342 --> 01:17:16,342
All right.

2373
01:17:17,545 --> 01:17:17,812
Supervisor vega, you've

2374
01:17:17,812 --> 01:17:19,812
questions?

2375
01:17:23,117 --> 01:17:24,118
>> Yesli Vega: yes.

2376
01:17:24,118 --> 01:17:28,918
I'm not sure if ricky or who is

2377
01:17:30,892 --> 01:17:33,194
going to answer questions.

2378
01:17:33,194 --> 01:17:36,300
>> if I can't get it right we

2379
01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:36,664
will get one of the others.

2380
01:17:36,664 --> 01:17:38,666
>> Yesli Vega: while i

2381
01:17:38,666 --> 01:17:41,660
understand the reasoning behind

2382
01:17:44,405 --> 01:17:44,906
the request before us, I have a

2383
01:17:44,906 --> 01:17:45,773
sick concerns.

2384
01:17:45,773 --> 01:17:46,207
Raised those concerns from the

2385
01:17:46,207 --> 01:17:48,207
beginning.

2386
01:17:52,513 --> 01:17:53,481
Appreciate staff working to

2387
01:17:53,481 --> 01:17:54,448
answer some of my questions.

2388
01:17:54,448 --> 01:17:55,283
Not all of them because this is

2389
01:17:55,283 --> 01:17:56,170
very much fluid and while I

2390
01:17:56,170 --> 01:17:56,884
still don't believe it's ready

2391
01:17:56,884 --> 01:18:00,484
for prime time, we are here

2392
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:05,726
today.

2393
01:18:05,726 --> 01:18:06,727
The first question I want to

2394
01:18:06,727 --> 01:18:07,562
ask is does the county regulate

2395
01:18:07,562 --> 01:18:08,563
soil for soil suitability or

2396
01:18:08,563 --> 01:18:09,397
geotechnical standards in

2397
01:18:09,397 --> 01:18:10,698
land-use approvals?

2398
01:18:10,698 --> 01:18:11,399
>> yes, it is the short answer.

2399
01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:12,366
I can give you more background

2400
01:18:12,366 --> 01:18:12,600
if you want a more technical

2401
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:13,267
answer.

2402
01:18:13,267 --> 01:18:15,667
>> Yesli Vega: I do.

2403
01:18:25,813 --> 01:18:26,514
Thank you.

2404
01:18:26,514 --> 01:18:27,448
>> MADAM Term, members the

2405
01:18:27,448 --> 01:18:27,648
board, director of public

2406
01:18:27,648 --> 01:18:29,648
works.

2407
01:18:31,852 --> 01:18:33,654
Yes, it's always required

2408
01:18:33,654 --> 01:18:34,121
.

2409
01:18:34,121 --> 01:18:34,622
>> Yesli Vega:

2410
01:18:34,622 --> 01:18:34,922
what does not

2411
01:18:34,922 --> 01:18:35,723
consist of?

2412
01:18:35,723 --> 01:18:38,860
I want you to elaborate more.

2413
01:18:38,860 --> 01:18:41,260
>> no sole conditions, the

2414
01:18:41,562 --> 01:18:42,195
stability of slopes

2415
01:18:42,195 --> 01:18:44,195
, the water

2416
01:18:44,565 --> 01:18:46,965
table of the soils

2417
01:18:48,269 --> 01:18:49,270
, all of that

2418
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:52,106
is important for the design the

2419
01:18:52,106 --> 01:18:52,240
retaining wall

2420
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:53,207
.

2421
01:18:53,207 --> 01:18:55,607
Those are very important

2422
01:18:57,612 --> 01:18:58,278
information.

2423
01:18:58,278 --> 01:18:59,247
>> Yesli Vega: thank you.

2424
01:18:59,247 --> 01:19:02,847
And since when has the county

2425
01:19:03,751 --> 01:19:05,751
been practicing this?

2426
01:19:07,355 --> 01:19:09,355
>> 2003.

2427
01:19:13,594 --> 01:19:15,594
>> Yesli Vega: 2003.

2428
01:19:18,599 --> 01:19:19,300
What criteria specifically,

2429
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:22,300
refresh my memory again, was

2430
01:19:23,204 --> 01:19:25,604
refused used for arbitrary

2431
01:19:26,674 --> 01:19:27,730
decision in terms of what homes

2432
01:19:27,730 --> 01:19:27,808
qualify for this?

2433
01:19:27,808 --> 01:19:31,408
> you mean as far as the

2434
01:19:32,380 --> 01:19:33,180
ordinance?

2435
01:19:33,180 --> 01:19:36,780
We are still working on that

2436
01:19:37,351 --> 01:19:38,190
but we are looking at impact of

2437
01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:40,419
foundation, impact to slopes

2438
01:19:43,924 --> 01:19:44,825
that MAY impact other

2439
01:19:44,825 --> 01:19:45,425
structures such as rodents,

2440
01:19:45,425 --> 01:19:47,428
such as a stream, other

2441
01:19:47,428 --> 01:19:48,429
development MAY be.

2442
01:19:48,429 --> 01:19:49,397
Those other criteria is to make

2443
01:19:49,397 --> 01:19:51,397
decisions.

2444
01:20:01,909 --> 01:20:02,810
>> Yesli Vega: I am referring

2445
01:20:02,810 --> 01:20:03,743
to the decision made that the

2446
01:20:03,743 --> 01:20:04,412
eligibility is for homes built

2447
01:20:04,412 --> 01:20:05,245
between 10 and 40 years old.

2448
01:20:05,245 --> 01:20:06,547
You said you are still

2449
01:20:06,547 --> 01:20:07,215
developing it?

2450
01:20:07,215 --> 01:20:07,982
>> the timeframe of when we

2451
01:20:07,982 --> 01:20:08,916
consider evaluating proposals

2452
01:20:08,916 --> 01:20:10,916
.

2453
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,652
Is that when you are saying?

2454
01:20:16,857 --> 01:20:17,591
10 to 40 years.

2455
01:20:17,591 --> 01:20:19,991
>> supervisor, thank you for

2456
01:20:22,864 --> 01:20:23,598
the question.

2457
01:20:23,598 --> 01:20:24,532
As I recall at the last hearing

2458
01:20:24,532 --> 01:20:25,366
there were questions relative

2459
01:20:25,366 --> 01:20:27,568
to what data we have in

2460
01:20:27,568 --> 01:20:27,802
relation to this

2461
01:20:27,802 --> 01:20:28,769
.

2462
01:20:28,769 --> 01:20:30,303
After the board meeting went

2463
01:20:30,303 --> 01:20:31,706
went back and went back 10

2464
01:20:31,706 --> 01:20:34,706
years and over the 10 year

2465
01:20:39,981 --> 01:20:40,848
period we had 74 foundation

2466
01:20:40,848 --> 01:20:41,820
repairs done across all in the

2467
01:20:41,820 --> 01:20:43,820
county.

2468
01:20:45,786 --> 01:20:45,920
An average of 70 year

2469
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,920
.

2470
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:50,123
The average age was 37.1 years

2471
01:20:50,123 --> 01:20:53,723
for the justification to go to

2472
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,696
40 what we are talking about is

2473
01:20:58,933 --> 01:20:59,867
latent defects and who would be

2474
01:20:59,867 --> 01:20:59,967
responsible or who would help

2475
01:20:59,967 --> 01:21:01,967
.

2476
01:21:07,975 --> 01:21:08,643
Based on the ad hoc data, the

2477
01:21:08,643 --> 01:21:11,430
conclusion was over 10 years

2478
01:21:11,546 --> 01:21:11,779
the average age is 37 years

2479
01:21:11,779 --> 01:21:12,747
.

2480
01:21:12,747 --> 01:21:13,948
It would be appropriate to go

2481
01:21:13,948 --> 01:21:14,181
10 to 40 years

2482
01:21:14,181 --> 01:21:16,181
.

2483
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:20,121
That is how we got to the 40

2484
01:21:20,121 --> 01:21:20,855
compared to our previous

2485
01:21:20,855 --> 01:21:21,222
recommendation was I believe 10

2486
01:21:21,222 --> 01:21:22,757
to 20.

2487
01:21:22,757 --> 01:21:23,900
>> Yesli Vega: thank you for

2488
01:21:23,900 --> 01:21:24,659
that.

2489
01:21:24,659 --> 01:21:27,659
You said in terms of

2490
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:30,897
responsibility for repairing

2491
01:21:30,897 --> 01:21:31,799
your position is here today

2492
01:21:31,799 --> 01:21:32,800
that the county bears

2493
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,800
responsibility assisting

2494
01:21:42,843 --> 01:21:43,444
homeowners

2495
01:21:43,444 --> 01:21:44,378
.

2496
01:21:44,378 --> 01:21:44,645
>> I would say that's your

2497
01:21:44,645 --> 01:21:45,513
decision.

2498
01:21:45,513 --> 01:21:46,113
>> Yesli Vega: staff is

2499
01:21:46,113 --> 01:21:46,980
recommending approval so

2500
01:21:46,980 --> 01:21:47,915
masking staff if that is the

2501
01:21:47,915 --> 01:21:50,315
recommendation, is that your

2502
01:21:53,254 --> 01:21:53,988
position?

2503
01:21:53,988 --> 01:21:54,922
>> the position is we have a

2504
01:21:54,922 --> 01:21:55,856
state law in place to allow you

2505
01:21:55,856 --> 01:21:56,490
to make the decision to adopt

2506
01:21:56,490 --> 01:21:57,240
an ordinance.

2507
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:57,824
>> Yesli Vega: correct.

2508
01:21:57,824 --> 01:22:01,424
And it is a recommendation and

2509
01:22:03,231 --> 01:22:03,497
that is the reason for my

2510
01:22:03,497 --> 01:22:03,831
question.

2511
01:22:03,831 --> 01:22:04,832
>> MS.

2512
01:22:04,832 --> 01:22:05,800
Roble: I don't think

2513
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:06,734
anybody is saying the county is

2514
01:22:06,734 --> 01:22:06,968
responsible for defects out

2515
01:22:06,968 --> 01:22:07,368
there.

2516
01:22:07,368 --> 01:22:09,768
Think what staff is

2517
01:22:10,905 --> 01:22:11,671
recommending is the general

2518
01:22:11,671 --> 01:22:13,708
assembly allowed the state code

2519
01:22:13,708 --> 01:22:14,442
is a discretionary alternative

2520
01:22:14,442 --> 01:22:18,212
for the board to do and if that

2521
01:22:18,212 --> 01:22:18,679
is the boards prerogative to go

2522
01:22:18,679 --> 01:22:19,447
forward with it.

2523
01:22:19,447 --> 01:22:20,915
I don't think anyone on the

2524
01:22:20,915 --> 01:22:24,515
staff is saying the county is

2525
01:22:29,190 --> 01:22:29,891
responsible for any issues

2526
01:22:29,891 --> 01:22:30,925
involved in these properties.

2527
01:22:30,925 --> 01:22:31,759
>> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM

2528
01:22:31,759 --> 01:22:34,362
Chair and I understand what the

2529
01:22:34,362 --> 01:22:35,996
general assembly passed.

2530
01:22:35,996 --> 01:22:36,631
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2531
01:22:36,631 --> 01:22:36,864
would you like your next block

2532
01:22:36,864 --> 01:22:37,532
of time?

2533
01:22:37,532 --> 01:22:39,166
>> Yesli Vega: yes.

2534
01:22:39,166 --> 01:22:39,767
However, it is my position we

2535
01:22:39,767 --> 01:22:40,568
are being guided in a certain

2536
01:22:40,568 --> 01:22:41,235
direction and I want to make

2537
01:22:41,235 --> 01:22:42,503
sure we don't blur the lines we

2538
01:22:42,503 --> 01:22:45,406
are clear as to what the board

2539
01:22:45,406 --> 01:22:46,140
make it ready to approve

2540
01:22:46,140 --> 01:22:48,140
.

2541
01:22:48,643 --> 01:22:49,377
As you all know, I conducted a

2542
01:22:49,377 --> 01:22:51,777
survey because it's important

2543
01:22:52,947 --> 01:22:53,981
for me to understand where

2544
01:22:53,981 --> 01:22:54,849
people in prince william county

2545
01:22:54,849 --> 01:22:58,449
are not just in the coles

2546
01:22:58,785 --> 01:22:59,420
district.

2547
01:22:59,420 --> 01:23:00,287
My position doesn't stem in

2548
01:23:00,287 --> 01:23:01,322
being in opposition to this

2549
01:23:01,322 --> 01:23:03,722
initiative being moved forward

2550
01:23:05,993 --> 01:23:06,494
because I understand the

2551
01:23:06,494 --> 01:23:07,628
intent.

2552
01:23:07,628 --> 01:23:08,161
Prevention, offer this to my

2553
01:23:08,161 --> 01:23:09,960
colleagues and those in

2554
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:09,997
chambers and watching at home,

2555
01:23:09,997 --> 01:23:13,597
is in fact a public response

2556
01:23:24,512 --> 01:23:25,513
ability, which is why I lead

2557
01:23:25,513 --> 01:23:26,147
with opening question I did.

2558
01:23:26,147 --> 01:23:27,148
However, fixing private

2559
01:23:27,148 --> 01:23:28,150
property matters is a private

2560
01:23:28,150 --> 01:23:28,382
one and that is the issue I

2561
01:23:28,382 --> 01:23:29,150
take with this.

2562
01:23:29,150 --> 01:23:30,518
I believe this is a private

2563
01:23:30,518 --> 01:23:31,219
matter among the journalism we

2564
01:23:31,219 --> 01:23:32,253
granted localities the ability

2565
01:23:32,253 --> 01:23:33,200
to enact an ordinance, I do not

2566
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:33,754
believe it's in the best

2567
01:23:33,754 --> 01:23:34,422
interest of the county to use

2568
01:23:34,422 --> 01:23:34,855
tax dollars to pay for

2569
01:23:34,855 --> 01:23:35,122
private

2570
01:23:35,122 --> 01:23:36,230
matters.

2571
01:23:36,230 --> 01:23:36,657
It gets muddy quickly in

2572
01:23:36,657 --> 01:23:40,857
regards to where do we draw the

2573
01:23:51,572 --> 01:23:52,173
line.

2574
01:23:52,173 --> 01:23:53,140
I would then going to be

2575
01:23:53,140 --> 01:23:53,741
subsidizing roof replacements,

2576
01:23:53,741 --> 01:23:54,342
hvac repairs, who knows her

2577
01:23:54,342 --> 01:23:55,243
driveway cracking weeks.

2578
01:23:55,243 --> 01:23:55,810
If the argument is made into

2579
01:23:55,810 --> 01:23:56,577
steam to be structural.

2580
01:23:56,577 --> 01:23:57,311
I want to offer to my

2581
01:23:57,311 --> 01:23:58,246
colleagues that when we were

2582
01:23:58,246 --> 01:23:59,280
going to distribution with the

2583
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:00,810
great oak community, a request

2584
01:24:00,810 --> 01:24:01,820
was made that the county pay

2585
01:24:01,820 --> 01:24:01,716
and purchase equipment to

2586
01:24:01,716 --> 01:24:02,583
measure noise and it was

2587
01:24:02,583 --> 01:24:05,583
quickly shut down because of

2588
01:24:10,658 --> 01:24:11,926
the precedent it would set.

2589
01:24:11,926 --> 01:24:12,693
I asked my colleagues, are we

2590
01:24:12,693 --> 01:24:13,494
going to open the door for a

2591
01:24:13,494 --> 01:24:14,562
similar matter if we deemed it

2592
01:24:14,562 --> 01:24:18,162
is not appropriate then, how do

2593
01:24:19,700 --> 01:24:20,668
we justify an issue that is

2594
01:24:20,668 --> 01:24:21,669
clearly been pushed on county

2595
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:22,103
residents by decisions made by

2596
01:24:22,103 --> 01:24:22,202
the governing body.

2597
01:24:22,202 --> 01:24:23,370
Ot

2598
01:24:23,370 --> 01:24:23,204
appropriate then, appropriate

2599
01:24:23,204 --> 01:24:24,138
now.

2600
01:24:24,138 --> 01:24:27,738
For those main reasons I would

2601
01:24:34,150 --> 01:24:34,916
ask perhaps we table this

2602
01:24:34,916 --> 01:24:35,516
matter for a later time born we

2603
01:24:35,516 --> 01:24:36,384
can flat out in my opinion

2604
01:24:36,384 --> 01:24:37,285
denied the request altogether.

2605
01:24:37,285 --> 01:24:39,685
Don't think it is

2606
01:24:41,255 --> 01:24:42,230
appropriate for the county to

2607
01:24:42,230 --> 01:24:42,890
be using public dollars to fix

2608
01:24:42,890 --> 01:24:43,124
what in my opinion is a private

2609
01:24:43,124 --> 01:24:43,958
matter.

2610
01:24:43,958 --> 01:24:44,825
I think the approach we need to

2611
01:24:44,825 --> 01:24:45,792
take is an approach where we

2612
01:24:45,792 --> 01:24:46,294
are working with the developers

2613
01:24:46,294 --> 01:24:48,596
and we are holding them

2614
01:24:48,596 --> 01:24:49,297
accountable to ensure the

2615
01:24:49,297 --> 01:24:49,597
problems don't continue to

2616
01:24:49,597 --> 01:24:51,597
happen.

2617
01:24:53,901 --> 01:24:54,869
F they do, they paid

2618
01:24:54,869 --> 01:24:55,736
their fair share of the pie in

2619
01:24:55,736 --> 01:24:56,737
addressing these concerns and

2620
01:24:56,737 --> 01:24:59,737
paying for these repairs down

2621
01:25:07,281 --> 01:25:08,316
the road.

2622
01:25:08,316 --> 01:25:09,160
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2623
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,510
are you asking for a suggestion

2624
01:25:10,510 --> 01:25:10,785
you would like him to make a

2625
01:25:10,785 --> 01:25:10,985
motion to defer this or table

2626
01:25:10,985 --> 01:25:11,786
this?

2627
01:25:11,786 --> 01:25:12,653
What is it you are asking for.

2628
01:25:12,653 --> 01:25:13,200
>> Yesli Vega: I am willing to

2629
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:13,854
meet halfway.

2630
01:25:13,854 --> 01:25:14,822
I don't mind tabling it so we

2631
01:25:14,822 --> 01:25:16,123
can infer their discussions and

2632
01:25:16,123 --> 01:25:16,390
make sure we tie up loose ends

2633
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:17,358
.

2634
01:25:17,358 --> 01:25:20,958
But if that is not something

2635
01:25:24,966 --> 01:25:25,633
agreeable, I would certainly

2636
01:25:25,633 --> 01:25:26,601
.

2637
01:25:26,601 --> 01:25:27,235
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2638
01:25:27,235 --> 01:25:27,835
make the motion and let's see

2639
01:25:27,835 --> 01:25:28,703
if you get a second.

2640
01:25:28,703 --> 01:25:29,670
>> Yesli Vega: I move that we

2641
01:25:29,670 --> 01:25:30,204
table this matter, MADAM Chair.

2642
01:25:30,204 --> 01:25:31,572
>> second.

2643
01:25:31,572 --> 01:25:32,106
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2644
01:25:32,106 --> 01:25:32,740
any discussion?

2645
01:25:32,740 --> 01:25:33,741
Supervisor franklin.

2646
01:25:33,741 --> 01:25:34,609
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:

2647
01:25:34,609 --> 01:25:35,409
want to clarify we have

2648
01:25:35,409 --> 01:25:36,410
differed this before.

2649
01:25:36,410 --> 01:25:37,780
We would been working on the

2650
01:25:37,780 --> 01:25:41,278
several years and I am not in

2651
01:25:49,624 --> 01:25:50,625
favor of differing.

2652
01:25:50,625 --> 01:25:51,125
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2653
01:25:51,125 --> 01:25:51,659
supervisor vega.

2654
01:25:51,659 --> 01:25:51,893
>> Yesli Vega: the

2655
01:25:51,893 --> 01:25:52,693
reason for

2656
01:25:52,693 --> 01:25:53,227
the deferral was it was not

2657
01:25:53,227 --> 01:25:54,128
ready for prime time.

2658
01:25:54,128 --> 01:25:54,829
My position as it is still not

2659
01:25:54,829 --> 01:25:55,830
and I would ask the majority of

2660
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:56,631
my colleagues to support my

2661
01:25:56,631 --> 01:25:57,632
motion to table this.

2662
01:25:57,632 --> 01:25:58,132
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2663
01:25:58,132 --> 01:25:58,866
supervisor bailey?

2664
01:25:58,866 --> 01:25:59,734
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

2665
01:25:59,734 --> 01:26:00,600
just need clarification because

2666
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,500
we talked about this over and

2667
01:26:04,500 --> 01:26:04,205
over again before we take the

2668
01:26:04,205 --> 01:26:05,139
vote.

2669
01:26:05,139 --> 01:26:07,441
I want to make sure we clearly

2670
01:26:07,441 --> 01:26:08,142
understand what this is this is

2671
01:26:08,142 --> 01:26:09,100
alignment with the state code

2672
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:10,778
that has been put forth that we

2673
01:26:10,778 --> 01:26:10,945
are trying to achieve

2674
01:26:10,945 --> 01:26:12,945
.

2675
01:26:13,714 --> 01:26:16,517
We are not voting to say we are

2676
01:26:16,517 --> 01:26:18,552
actually going to make a final

2677
01:26:18,552 --> 01:26:18,686
decision on this matter

2678
01:26:18,686 --> 01:26:20,686
.

2679
01:26:29,630 --> 01:26:29,830
Can you explain it?

2680
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:30,231
>> I don't know that part you

2681
01:26:30,231 --> 01:26:31,650
just said.

2682
01:26:31,650 --> 01:26:31,732
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2683
01:26:31,732 --> 01:26:32,330
let me rephrase my question.

2684
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:32,800
>> we

2685
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:33,734
were given a directive to

2686
01:26:33,734 --> 01:26:34,302
look at the new state code that

2687
01:26:34,302 --> 01:26:36,302
was passed.

2688
01:26:38,606 --> 01:26:39,674
We were given a directive to

2689
01:26:39,674 --> 01:26:40,541
propose an ordinance for prince

2690
01:26:40,541 --> 01:26:41,542
william county to use.

2691
01:26:41,542 --> 01:26:42,743
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2692
01:26:42,743 --> 01:26:43,477
that's the alignment.

2693
01:26:43,477 --> 01:26:47,770
And going forward, what are you

2694
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:53,320
asking for now?

2695
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:53,821
>> we have now brought the

2696
01:26:53,821 --> 01:26:54,589
ordinance forward.

2697
01:26:54,589 --> 01:26:55,890
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2698
01:26:55,890 --> 01:26:55,823
for the alignment.

2699
01:26:55,823 --> 01:26:56,390
But it does not say we are

2700
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:57,358
going to take care of

2701
01:26:57,358 --> 01:26:59,594
everybody's property if we vote

2702
01:26:59,594 --> 01:26:59,794
on this today

2703
01:26:59,794 --> 01:27:00,828
.

2704
01:27:00,828 --> 01:27:03,228
>> the application process and

2705
01:27:03,965 --> 01:27:04,966
scoring criteria and then those

2706
01:27:04,966 --> 01:27:06,767
applications will come to the

2707
01:27:06,767 --> 01:27:07,401
board and the board would vote

2708
01:27:07,401 --> 01:27:10,404
on who was funded and who

2709
01:27:10,404 --> 01:27:12,404
wasn't.

2710
01:27:16,644 --> 01:27:17,378
Was available to be used.

2711
01:27:17,378 --> 01:27:19,714
>> MR. Shorter: the board is

2712
01:27:19,714 --> 01:27:19,880
voting on an ordinance today

2713
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:21,880
.

2714
01:27:25,519 --> 01:27:26,520
Later on in the agenda

2715
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,520
depending on how the board

2716
01:27:34,362 --> 01:27:34,729
reacts to this ordinance

2717
01:27:34,729 --> 01:27:35,696
,

2718
01:27:35,696 --> 01:27:35,930
request to transfer funding to

2719
01:27:35,930 --> 01:27:36,697
a fund.

2720
01:27:36,697 --> 01:27:38,266
Now, what would come after is

2721
01:27:38,266 --> 01:27:39,166
an application process where

2722
01:27:39,166 --> 01:27:41,166
individual homeowners will

2723
01:27:47,808 --> 01:27:48,342
essentially apply

2724
01:27:48,342 --> 01:27:49,310
.

2725
01:27:49,310 --> 01:27:49,877
We won't based on this

2726
01:27:49,877 --> 01:27:50,878
ordinance will come to the

2727
01:27:50,878 --> 01:27:51,712
board when it's time to make a

2728
01:27:51,712 --> 01:27:52,647
decision but the action the

2729
01:27:52,647 --> 01:27:52,914
board is taking right now is an

2730
01:27:52,914 --> 01:27:53,681
ordinance.

2731
01:27:53,681 --> 01:27:54,282
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2732
01:27:54,282 --> 01:27:55,883
so this is the final.

2733
01:27:55,883 --> 01:27:58,883
Supervisor vega, did you have

2734
01:28:00,187 --> 01:28:00,855
something you want to say?

2735
01:28:00,855 --> 01:28:01,722
There is a motion but I don't

2736
01:28:01,722 --> 01:28:04,759
know if you want to speak on

2737
01:28:04,759 --> 01:28:06,759
that.

2738
01:28:07,228 --> 01:28:07,528
Is anyone else have comments or

2739
01:28:07,528 --> 01:28:09,528
discussions?

2740
01:28:12,767 --> 01:28:13,634
If not I will take the vote on

2741
01:28:13,634 --> 01:28:14,969
a motion to table the

2742
01:28:14,969 --> 01:28:15,703
discussion.

2743
01:28:15,703 --> 01:28:16,871
I would like to call for the

2744
01:28:16,871 --> 01:28:18,871
vote.

2745
01:28:26,113 --> 01:28:29,113
This is to table it.

2746
01:28:38,459 --> 01:28:39,192
Supervisor vega and gordy.

2747
01:28:39,192 --> 01:28:40,610
>> supervisor ingrid just told

2748
01:28:40,610 --> 01:28:41,896
me his computer is shutting

2749
01:28:41,896 --> 01:28:44,896
down automatically so he MAY

2750
01:28:47,368 --> 01:28:50,368
have to log back on.

2751
01:28:54,175 --> 01:28:54,876
He MAY MISS This vote.

2752
01:28:54,876 --> 01:28:57,276
>> somewhere, is absent from

2753
01:29:02,683 --> 01:29:03,384
vote.

2754
01:29:03,384 --> 01:29:05,384
Motion fails 2/5 supervisors

2755
01:29:05,752 --> 01:29:06,954
bailey, boddye, franklin,

2756
01:29:06,954 --> 01:29:09,354
stewart enter jefferson know.

2757
01:29:10,458 --> 01:29:11,125
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2758
01:29:11,125 --> 01:29:14,695
so the motion to table has

2759
01:29:14,695 --> 01:29:15,363
failed.

2760
01:29:15,363 --> 01:29:18,963
When someone like to make a

2761
01:29:19,767 --> 01:29:20,401
motion to move this forward?

2762
01:29:20,401 --> 01:29:21,302
Properly moved and seconded.

2763
01:29:21,302 --> 01:29:23,302
Any further discussion?

2764
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:29,640
>> Yesli Vega: I want to enter

2765
01:29:32,847 --> 01:29:33,814
into the record with 300 people

2766
01:29:33,814 --> 01:29:34,347
partake in our survey from

2767
01:29:34,347 --> 01:29:35,349
every single magisterial

2768
01:29:35,349 --> 01:29:36,484
district and everyone who

2769
01:29:36,484 --> 01:29:37,451
partook overwhelmingly opposes

2770
01:29:37,451 --> 01:29:38,753
their private tax dollars being

2771
01:29:38,753 --> 01:29:41,753
used for the private measure

2772
01:29:46,794 --> 01:29:47,495
and I want to let my colleagues

2773
01:29:47,495 --> 01:29:48,429
know what that looks like.

2774
01:29:48,429 --> 01:29:49,363
Young people participated from

2775
01:29:49,363 --> 01:29:51,199
neabsco, occoquan, potomac and

2776
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:51,866
woodbridge.

2777
01:29:51,866 --> 01:29:52,700
We did the purple listed.

2778
01:29:52,700 --> 01:29:53,601
Those were folks who did not

2779
01:29:53,601 --> 01:29:56,601
want to share but again

2780
01:30:04,545 --> 01:30:05,446
, it's

2781
01:30:05,446 --> 01:30:06,147
our response ability to make

2782
01:30:06,147 --> 01:30:07,800
sure we put forward good public

2783
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:08,490
policy and although the general

2784
01:30:08,490 --> 01:30:08,749
assembly MAY have allowed them

2785
01:30:08,749 --> 01:30:09,584
to do that, I don't think it's

2786
01:30:09,584 --> 01:30:10,418
in the best interest of the

2787
01:30:10,418 --> 01:30:11,152
taxpayers of the county and

2788
01:30:11,152 --> 01:30:14,752
when we get to the allocating

2789
01:30:16,591 --> 01:30:17,325
of the funds I will be

2790
01:30:17,325 --> 01:30:18,192
discussing more about that in

2791
01:30:18,192 --> 01:30:19,594
my reasons for that as well.

2792
01:30:19,594 --> 01:30:20,628
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2793
01:30:20,628 --> 01:30:23,280
supervisors franklin and gordy.

2794
01:30:24,498 --> 01:30:24,899
Ll right.

2795
01:30:24,899 --> 01:30:26,100
Supervisor gordy.

2796
01:30:26,100 --> 01:30:28,500
>> Tom Gordy: thank you

2797
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:33,400
supervisor vega.

2798
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:33,207
I completely agree.

2799
01:30:33,207 --> 01:30:33,875
Had a

2800
01:30:33,875 --> 01:30:36,875
meeting with the community last

2801
01:30:39,146 --> 01:30:40,114
night about roads and about

2802
01:30:40,114 --> 01:30:41,480
their private road failing.

2803
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:44,117
Are we going to open up the

2804
01:30:44,117 --> 01:30:44,585
door for communities and paving

2805
01:30:44,585 --> 01:30:45,586
private roads.

2806
01:30:45,586 --> 01:30:48,586
Because when the roads were

2807
01:30:49,657 --> 01:30:50,458
built the rules the county had

2808
01:30:50,458 --> 01:30:53,458
the time were different than

2809
01:30:54,562 --> 01:30:55,263
they are today.

2810
01:30:55,263 --> 01:30:58,863
Is not just the roads, the

2811
01:31:01,269 --> 01:31:02,236
culverts underneath the road to

2812
01:31:02,236 --> 01:31:02,670
failing think that's a health

2813
01:31:02,670 --> 01:31:02,970
and safety issue.

2814
01:31:02,970 --> 01:31:03,570
In the fire

2815
01:31:03,570 --> 01:31:04,372
and police get into

2816
01:31:04,372 --> 01:31:05,773
those community?

2817
01:31:05,773 --> 01:31:06,507
I think we are opening up

2818
01:31:06,507 --> 01:31:10,107
pandora's box and this is going

2819
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:12,980
to be something we are going

2820
01:31:12,980 --> 01:31:15,516
I'm more and more people come

2821
01:31:15,516 --> 01:31:19,116
in because of things, we learn

2822
01:31:19,921 --> 01:31:20,555
things over time.

2823
01:31:20,555 --> 01:31:21,556
But I will tell you when I

2824
01:31:21,556 --> 01:31:22,423
moved to prince william county

2825
01:31:22,423 --> 01:31:26,230
my realtor said stay away from

2826
01:31:27,894 --> 01:31:28,596
the potomac.

2827
01:31:28,596 --> 01:31:28,896
This has been known for 30, 40

2828
01:31:28,896 --> 01:31:30,896
years.

2829
01:31:31,299 --> 01:31:31,432
No, those soils

2830
01:31:31,432 --> 01:31:33,432
.

2831
01:31:36,837 --> 01:31:38,806
the water is good.

2832
01:31:38,806 --> 01:31:38,940
The soils below the fall line

2833
01:31:38,940 --> 01:31:40,940
,

2834
01:31:43,711 --> 01:31:44,579
you get above the fall line a

2835
01:31:44,579 --> 01:31:46,414
lot of rock, below this a lotta

2836
01:31:46,414 --> 01:31:46,614
sentiment

2837
01:31:46,614 --> 01:31:47,714
.

2838
01:31:47,714 --> 01:31:51,914
That is why it moves and it

2839
01:31:53,187 --> 01:31:55,187
shifts.

2840
01:31:56,900 --> 01:31:59,900
Nonetheless, the fact we are

2841
01:32:04,131 --> 01:32:05,298
going to offer government funds

2842
01:32:05,298 --> 01:32:08,898
, I believe we are opening up

2843
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:12,807
pandora's box here and I don't

2844
01:32:12,807 --> 01:32:13,507
think that is the right

2845
01:32:13,507 --> 01:32:14,508
direction we ought to be going

2846
01:32:14,508 --> 01:32:14,809
so I will not be supporting

2847
01:32:14,809 --> 01:32:15,843
this.

2848
01:32:15,843 --> 01:32:16,644
Thank you.

2849
01:32:16,644 --> 01:32:18,644
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2850
01:32:18,679 --> 01:32:19,380
I don't have anything else in q

2851
01:32:19,380 --> 01:32:23,580
so let's go ahead and take our

2852
01:32:35,530 --> 01:32:36,970
vote.

2853
01:32:36,970 --> 01:32:36,964
>> motion passes 4/3

2854
01:32:36,964 --> 01:32:39,300
supervisors gordy, stewart and

2855
01:32:39,300 --> 01:32:40,334
vega voting no.

2856
01:32:40,334 --> 01:32:41,135
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2857
01:32:41,135 --> 01:32:41,269
thank you so very much

2858
01:32:41,269 --> 01:32:43,269
.

2859
01:32:45,540 --> 01:32:50,176
We are going to go back to 7g.

2860
01:32:50,176 --> 01:32:51,112
You'd questions?

2861
01:32:51,112 --> 01:32:51,612
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2862
01:32:51,612 --> 01:32:54,612
thank you so much for

2863
01:32:58,185 --> 01:32:58,853
acknowledging me.

2864
01:32:58,853 --> 01:32:59,787
I just have a quick question.

2865
01:32:59,787 --> 01:33:02,787
It's because I didn't talk

2866
01:33:04,758 --> 01:33:05,459
about this when the

2867
01:33:05,459 --> 01:33:06,360
presentation was given to me.

2868
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:07,261
I'm excited about this and I

2869
01:33:07,261 --> 01:33:09,297
will move forward with the

2870
01:33:09,297 --> 01:33:10,298
vote.

2871
01:33:10,298 --> 01:33:14,498
Want to make sure as we are

2872
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:16,604
establishing and building this

2873
01:33:16,604 --> 01:33:19,604
drive through, this will not

2874
01:33:20,441 --> 01:33:21,442
interfere with the traffic flow

2875
01:33:21,442 --> 01:33:21,943
we've been talking about as it

2876
01:33:21,943 --> 01:33:22,109
relates to the school,

2877
01:33:22,109 --> 01:33:22,410
forest

2878
01:33:22,410 --> 01:33:24,410
park.

2879
01:33:24,579 --> 01:33:26,814
Business nothing to do with the

2880
01:33:26,814 --> 01:33:28,490
interest we are working on as

2881
01:33:28,490 --> 01:33:30,490
well.

2882
01:33:32,653 --> 01:33:34,653
>> supervisor bailey, chair

2883
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,270
jefferson, we did work with the

2884
01:33:40,270 --> 01:33:42,929
applicant and did look at

2885
01:33:42,929 --> 01:33:43,931
potential traffic impacts.

2886
01:33:43,931 --> 01:33:47,531
All of them are being mitigated

2887
01:33:48,269 --> 01:33:49,136
through the conditions or the

2888
01:33:49,136 --> 01:33:52,736
route that they chose to the

2889
01:33:53,700 --> 01:33:54,800
development.

2890
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,608
We are confident and should not

2891
01:33:59,180 --> 01:33:59,647
impact any of the development.

2892
01:33:59,647 --> 01:34:01,415
Outside of the flow.

2893
01:34:01,415 --> 01:34:04,180
But we just looked primarily at

2894
01:34:04,180 --> 01:34:07,180
the special use permit area.

2895
01:34:08,722 --> 01:34:09,690
They did provide conditions.

2896
01:34:09,690 --> 01:34:10,524
We worked with the applicant

2897
01:34:10,524 --> 01:34:11,920
and the applicants

2898
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:13,920
representative we are

2899
01:34:16,864 --> 01:34:17,164
comfortable with the

2900
01:34:17,164 --> 01:34:17,999
conditions.

2901
01:34:17,999 --> 01:34:18,199
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

2902
01:34:18,199 --> 01:34:20,199
okay.

2903
01:34:20,735 --> 01:34:22,360
I appreciate that.

2904
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,406
With that I would like to move

2905
01:34:25,406 --> 01:34:26,507
forward item 7g.

2906
01:34:26,507 --> 01:34:28,507
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2907
01:34:32,580 --> 01:34:33,281
properly moved and seconded.

2908
01:34:33,281 --> 01:34:34,248
Any further discussion?

2909
01:34:34,248 --> 01:34:36,584
Seeing none, let's go ahead and

2910
01:34:36,584 --> 01:34:39,584
take the vote supervisor angry,

2911
01:34:47,940 --> 01:34:47,795
are you backup?

2912
01:34:47,795 --> 01:34:48,462
>> he is not back online yet.

2913
01:34:48,462 --> 01:34:50,862
Vote unanimous supervisor angry

2914
01:34:55,869 --> 01:34:56,871
absent from vote.

2915
01:34:56,871 --> 01:34:57,471
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

2916
01:34:57,471 --> 01:34:58,372
thank you so very much.

2917
01:34:58,372 --> 01:34:59,140
We are now moving to agenda

2918
01:34:59,140 --> 01:34:59,507
item 8 and that is county

2919
01:34:59,507 --> 01:35:00,875
executive time.

2920
01:35:00,875 --> 01:35:01,142
MR. Shorter, the floor is yours

2921
01:35:01,142 --> 01:35:02,143
.

2922
01:35:02,143 --> 01:35:02,343
>> MR. Shorter: thank you MADAM

2923
01:35:02,343 --> 01:35:02,777
Chair.

2924
01:35:02,777 --> 01:35:04,777
Good afternoon.

2925
01:35:07,215 --> 01:35:08,820
I want to start cxo time off

2926
01:35:08,820 --> 01:35:10,170
with a brief demo because many

2927
01:35:10,170 --> 01:35:13,120
of you know, our office of

2928
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:13,788
planning

2929
01:35:13,788 --> 01:35:14,755
, wanted to invite

2930
01:35:14,755 --> 01:35:17,155
director washington down to

2931
01:35:19,961 --> 01:35:20,161
talk about this

2932
01:35:20,161 --> 01:35:21,128
.

2933
01:35:21,128 --> 01:35:24,265
They did a very creative job

2934
01:35:24,265 --> 01:35:26,665
building an online dashboard

2935
01:35:27,268 --> 01:35:27,435
for a buildout analysis

2936
01:35:27,435 --> 01:35:28,369
.

2937
01:35:28,369 --> 01:35:30,438
I wanted to have her demo day

2938
01:35:30,438 --> 01:35:34,380
analysis to show the board and

2939
01:35:35,943 --> 01:35:36,510
the public what sort of work is

2940
01:35:36,510 --> 01:35:38,910
happening in the planning

2941
01:35:39,113 --> 01:35:43,313
office and so with that, I will

2942
01:35:49,991 --> 01:35:50,992
turn it over to you.

2943
01:35:50,992 --> 01:35:51,591
>> good afternoon.

2944
01:35:51,591 --> 01:35:52,326
Tonya washington director of

2945
01:35:52,326 --> 01:35:53,600
the planning office.

2946
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:53,628
We are excited to be here to

2947
01:35:53,628 --> 01:35:54,128
provide the demo of the

2948
01:35:54,128 --> 01:35:56,960
buildout analysis.

2949
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:57,980
The updated up analysis.

2950
01:35:57,980 --> 01:35:58,990
The analysis estimates how much

2951
01:35:58,990 --> 01:36:00,670
residential and nonresidential

2952
01:36:00,670 --> 01:36:00,701
development could be built

2953
01:36:00,701 --> 01:36:03,101
under the maximum extent

2954
01:36:04,739 --> 01:36:05,606
allowed under zoning program

2955
01:36:05,606 --> 01:36:08,606
one of the exciting things

2956
01:36:11,345 --> 01:36:12,246
about this analysis is not only

2957
01:36:12,246 --> 01:36:13,280
do we have updated data from

2958
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,880
the last time we completed the

2959
01:36:17,585 --> 01:36:18,452
buildout analysis in 2021.

2960
01:36:18,452 --> 01:36:19,220
It is now in an online

2961
01:36:19,220 --> 01:36:21,188
dashboard format.

2962
01:36:21,188 --> 01:36:21,822
Previously reports were done

2963
01:36:21,822 --> 01:36:23,958
annually as written reports

2964
01:36:23,958 --> 01:36:26,358
with illustrations and tables,

2965
01:36:30,565 --> 01:36:30,765
but they were a snapshot in

2966
01:36:30,765 --> 01:36:31,631
time.

2967
01:36:31,631 --> 01:36:32,500
In preparation during this

2968
01:36:32,500 --> 01:36:35,937
update I asked our team can we

2969
01:36:35,937 --> 01:36:36,604
turn this into a dashboard so

2970
01:36:36,604 --> 01:36:37,471
when the import approves new

2971
01:36:37,471 --> 01:36:41,710
land use cases or other items

2972
01:36:41,442 --> 01:36:42,443
are updated that affects this

2973
01:36:42,443 --> 01:36:44,946
data, the data can be updated

2974
01:36:44,946 --> 01:36:45,580
throughout the year.

2975
01:36:45,580 --> 01:36:48,349
Until we know fully online

2976
01:36:48,349 --> 01:36:48,583
dashboard

2977
01:36:48,583 --> 01:36:49,550
.

2978
01:36:49,550 --> 01:36:52,550
It is very interactive with

2979
01:36:53,821 --> 01:36:54,889
data tables as well as maps MR.

2980
01:36:54,889 --> 01:36:57,289
David Mcgettigan, our deputy

2981
01:37:09,470 --> 01:37:09,971
planning director, will walk us

2982
01:37:09,971 --> 01:37:10,705
through the demo.

2983
01:37:10,705 --> 01:37:11,539
But before we do that I would

2984
01:37:11,539 --> 01:37:11,906
like to give a shout out and

2985
01:37:11,906 --> 01:37:12,340
appreciation to

2986
01:37:12,340 --> 01:37:13,740
john Mccleary

2987
01:37:13,740 --> 01:37:13,975
and frank on on our gis team

2988
01:37:13,975 --> 01:37:14,575
which is part our countywide

2989
01:37:14,575 --> 01:37:15,476
division they are here to

2990
01:37:15,476 --> 01:37:16,177
answer any questions as well.

2991
01:37:16,177 --> 01:37:18,790
S well as a shout out if you

2992
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:18,745
worked with us to build out the

2993
01:37:18,745 --> 01:37:20,745
buildout analysis dashboard.

2994
01:37:22,683 --> 01:37:23,150
So take it away, david.

2995
01:37:23,150 --> 01:37:25,150
>> thank you.

2996
01:37:25,887 --> 01:37:26,587
Are buildout analysis is a

2997
01:37:26,587 --> 01:37:29,587
publication that we have done

2998
01:37:29,924 --> 01:37:30,524
for many years

2999
01:37:30,524 --> 01:37:32,524
.

3000
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:35,595
It was a pdf document for a

3001
01:37:35,595 --> 01:37:39,195
colorful static and this is an

3002
01:37:39,367 --> 01:37:41,702
opportunity to bring it into a

3003
01:37:41,702 --> 01:37:43,370
more interactive format where

3004
01:37:43,370 --> 01:37:46,637
we can get to interactive maps

3005
01:37:49,777 --> 01:37:50,544
and download data.

3006
01:37:50,544 --> 01:37:51,379
It is also a lot of automation

3007
01:37:51,379 --> 01:37:52,280
and programming went into

3008
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,680
maintaining this thanks to

3009
01:37:59,387 --> 01:37:59,554
frank hunt of our office

3010
01:37:59,554 --> 01:38:01,554
.

3011
01:38:02,522 --> 01:38:03,524
This is much easier to update

3012
01:38:03,524 --> 01:38:05,660
and we will be updating on a

3013
01:38:05,660 --> 01:38:08,660
regular basis when zonings are

3014
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:10,631
approved.

3015
01:38:10,631 --> 01:38:13,310
And when existing units

3016
01:38:14,202 --> 01:38:16,602
occupancy permits are reported

3017
01:38:17,371 --> 01:38:20,971
out so we can update the

3018
01:38:23,144 --> 01:38:23,711
existing construction.

3019
01:38:23,711 --> 01:38:26,711
This is the main page.

3020
01:38:26,881 --> 01:38:27,348
You can get to it from the

3021
01:38:27,348 --> 01:38:29,348
planning page.

3022
01:38:31,485 --> 01:38:35,850
It also has its own url.

3023
01:38:35,623 --> 01:38:36,324
Pwc va.Gov/buildout analysis

3024
01:38:36,324 --> 01:38:36,824
and that will get you to a

3025
01:38:36,824 --> 01:38:38,824
page.

3026
01:38:40,461 --> 01:38:43,531
This was done in the gis

3027
01:38:43,531 --> 01:38:44,798
platform

3028
01:38:44,798 --> 01:38:46,798
.

3029
01:38:52,139 --> 01:38:53,600
First on the right sleeve

3030
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:53,708
several things that tell us

3031
01:38:53,708 --> 01:38:54,507
what the buildout analysis is.

3032
01:38:54,507 --> 01:38:56,477
How you use the site,

3033
01:38:56,477 --> 01:38:57,411
frequently asked questions we

3034
01:38:57,411 --> 01:38:57,745
will buildout as we get the

3035
01:38:57,745 --> 01:38:59,745
questions in.

3036
01:39:02,349 --> 01:39:05,949
And we encourage the public and

3037
01:39:09,257 --> 01:39:10,124
everybody who uses this to let

3038
01:39:10,124 --> 01:39:10,825
us know if there any questions

3039
01:39:10,825 --> 01:39:11,792
or anything that needs fixing

3040
01:39:11,792 --> 01:39:14,192
or tweaking more additional

3041
01:39:16,563 --> 01:39:17,330
things he want to see.

3042
01:39:17,330 --> 01:39:21,530
The first use of the product we

3043
01:39:22,136 --> 01:39:23,104
hope to expand it to attract

3044
01:39:23,104 --> 01:39:25,573
when things in later phases a

3045
01:39:25,573 --> 01:39:27,441
development.

3046
01:39:27,441 --> 01:39:29,510
Is an email address to submit

3047
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:30,211
any comments about the buildout

3048
01:39:30,211 --> 01:39:31,979
analysis

3049
01:39:31,979 --> 01:39:33,979
.

3050
01:39:34,810 --> 01:39:37,810
The buildout analysis is in

3051
01:39:39,186 --> 01:39:42,186
three buckets degree of the

3052
01:39:43,123 --> 01:39:43,791
existing information

3053
01:39:43,791 --> 01:39:44,659
, existing

3054
01:39:44,659 --> 01:39:46,659
dwellings construction.

3055
01:39:49,664 --> 01:39:49,830
We have the zone but not built

3056
01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:50,698
yet.

3057
01:39:50,698 --> 01:39:51,650
This is something that has

3058
01:39:51,650 --> 01:39:53,650
zoning approval.

3059
01:39:53,467 --> 01:39:54,402
We know how many units are

3060
01:39:54,402 --> 01:39:56,802
approximately how many square

3061
01:39:59,574 --> 01:40:03,174
feet going in for commercial or

3062
01:40:03,211 --> 01:40:03,511
retail industrial uses

3063
01:40:03,511 --> 01:40:04,444
.

3064
01:40:04,444 --> 01:40:05,513
This is a list of cases and we

3065
01:40:05,513 --> 01:40:07,913
call the residential inventory,

3066
01:40:13,688 --> 01:40:14,655
nonresidential inventory.

3067
01:40:14,655 --> 01:40:14,822
That is the zone but not built

3068
01:40:14,822 --> 01:40:15,756
yet.

3069
01:40:15,756 --> 01:40:18,326
The third bucket is those plan

3070
01:40:18,326 --> 01:40:18,993
but not zoned yet.

3071
01:40:18,993 --> 01:40:19,827
The conference of plan as a

3072
01:40:19,827 --> 01:40:20,695
guide for the growth and

3073
01:40:20,695 --> 01:40:21,262
development and as areas for

3074
01:40:21,262 --> 01:40:23,262
redevelopment or new

3075
01:40:27,634 --> 01:40:28,636
development that has been zoned

3076
01:40:28,636 --> 01:40:29,370
yet to the appropriate zoning.

3077
01:40:29,370 --> 01:40:30,371
Hose are the three buckets.

3078
01:40:30,371 --> 01:40:33,371
If something gets rezoned from

3079
01:40:34,842 --> 01:40:35,420
bucket one, the pelanda not

3080
01:40:35,420 --> 01:40:37,420
zoned.

3081
01:40:37,345 --> 01:40:38,212
it automatically is going to be

3082
01:40:38,212 --> 01:40:42,412
, show up in the zone but not

3083
01:40:43,317 --> 01:40:44,285
built on them once it was built

3084
01:40:44,285 --> 01:40:46,921
it would be quarterly updated

3085
01:40:46,921 --> 01:40:47,588
with that information.

3086
01:40:47,588 --> 01:40:51,559
We can see off the bat that

3087
01:40:51,559 --> 01:40:52,994
there is 160,000, 100 existing

3088
01:40:52,994 --> 01:40:55,530
dwelling units in the county

3089
01:40:55,530 --> 01:40:58,530
right now based on our

3090
01:40:59,534 --> 01:41:00,200
occupancy reports.

3091
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:02,600
There are you potential

3092
01:41:04,671 --> 01:41:05,273
remaining to be built based on

3093
01:41:05,273 --> 01:41:07,475
the conference a plan for

3094
01:41:07,475 --> 01:41:07,575
54,542 more units

3095
01:41:07,575 --> 01:41:09,575
.

3096
01:41:09,844 --> 01:41:12,244
In terms of nonresidential

3097
01:41:13,381 --> 01:41:16,381
square feet of building area,

3098
01:41:20,555 --> 01:41:21,422
we are 92.8 million square feet

3099
01:41:21,422 --> 01:41:22,356
in the potential buildout of

3100
01:41:22,356 --> 01:41:25,356
the conference a plan is 148.8

3101
01:41:32,330 --> 01:41:32,967
million square feet.

3102
01:41:32,967 --> 01:41:33,901
That doesn't mean that by 2040

3103
01:41:33,901 --> 01:41:34,835
we will have all of this but

3104
01:41:34,835 --> 01:41:35,403
this is just the total capacity

3105
01:41:35,403 --> 01:41:36,337
shown that could be built.

3106
01:41:36,337 --> 01:41:38,737
There's no timing associated

3107
01:41:41,175 --> 01:41:44,175
with this from that standpoint.

3108
01:41:45,413 --> 01:41:48,413
The buildout analysis also has

3109
01:41:49,884 --> 01:41:50,551
charts and graphs to show you

3110
01:41:50,551 --> 01:41:52,951
percentages of the different

3111
01:41:53,721 --> 01:41:56,557
types of lands that make up the

3112
01:41:56,557 --> 01:41:59,557
build analysis and pipeline and

3113
01:42:00,260 --> 01:42:02,260
buildout capacity.

3114
01:42:02,530 --> 01:42:07,330
We also have as well we have an

3115
01:42:11,372 --> 01:42:12,306
interactive map that have

3116
01:42:12,306 --> 01:42:13,207
polygons of these in this data

3117
01:42:13,207 --> 01:42:15,776
is available in the county

3118
01:42:15,776 --> 01:42:16,477
portal, data portal for use so

3119
01:42:16,477 --> 01:42:19,477
gis users could download the

3120
01:42:21,549 --> 01:42:22,490
data if they wanted to read it

3121
01:42:22,490 --> 01:42:23,885
and manipulate it.

3122
01:42:23,885 --> 01:42:28,685
We can zoom in on the map and

3123
01:42:29,924 --> 01:42:30,625
click on activity center areas

3124
01:42:30,625 --> 01:42:31,425
are there different layers you

3125
01:42:31,425 --> 01:42:34,529
can turn on and off from

3126
01:42:34,529 --> 01:42:36,929
activity centers to residential

3127
01:42:38,132 --> 01:42:38,932
inventory cases where things

3128
01:42:38,932 --> 01:42:42,136
have been zoned or are not

3129
01:42:42,136 --> 01:42:44,605
built are currently have things

3130
01:42:44,605 --> 01:42:47,500
to be built on.

3131
01:42:47,375 --> 01:42:47,575
as a table

3132
01:42:47,575 --> 01:42:48,609
.

3133
01:42:48,609 --> 01:42:52,809
It can be exported to an excel

3134
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:53,581
spreadsheet has information not

3135
01:42:53,581 --> 01:42:55,449
only of the zoning district,

3136
01:42:55,449 --> 01:42:58,385
the number units approved, how

3137
01:42:58,385 --> 01:43:01,388
many are built so far, how many

3138
01:43:01,388 --> 01:43:04,388
are remaining to be built.

3139
01:43:07,628 --> 01:43:08,262
This is useful to developers

3140
01:43:08,262 --> 01:43:09,960
and others to find out where

3141
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,696
our land is that they could

3142
01:43:14,368 --> 01:43:15,200
maybe purchase and develop or

3143
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,402
already have the zoning

3144
01:43:22,843 --> 01:43:23,811
available or to rezone.

3145
01:43:23,811 --> 01:43:27,411
By being able to download this

3146
01:43:28,649 --> 01:43:28,916
you can filter and sort it and

3147
01:43:28,916 --> 01:43:29,650
summarize.

3148
01:43:29,650 --> 01:43:32,587
You can sort by magisterial

3149
01:43:32,587 --> 01:43:33,487
district and look up the case

3150
01:43:33,487 --> 01:43:35,556
number so if you wanted to find

3151
01:43:35,556 --> 01:43:36,490
out more you could go to the

3152
01:43:36,490 --> 01:43:39,490
county look at that particular

3153
01:43:40,895 --> 01:43:41,662
case.

3154
01:43:41,662 --> 01:43:42,563
And with that I would be happy

3155
01:43:42,563 --> 01:43:43,698
to answer any questions.

3156
01:43:43,698 --> 01:43:44,298
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3157
01:43:44,298 --> 01:43:45,132
supervisor vega.

3158
01:43:45,132 --> 01:43:47,535
>> Yesli Vega: first off, I

3159
01:43:47,535 --> 01:43:48,536
think this is great.

3160
01:43:48,536 --> 01:43:52,136
I was thinking about issuing a

3161
01:43:53,608 --> 01:43:54,242
directed so directive avoided

3162
01:43:54,242 --> 01:43:55,943
picketing want to ask him

3163
01:43:55,943 --> 01:43:58,343
appointed the numbers regards

3164
01:43:59,213 --> 01:43:59,480
to cog projections

3165
01:43:59,480 --> 01:44:00,448
.

3166
01:44:00,448 --> 01:44:01,449
I know at one point a big push,

3167
01:44:01,449 --> 01:44:02,830
if you will

3168
01:44:02,830 --> 01:44:04,217
, for not just the

3169
01:44:04,217 --> 01:44:06,217
affordable housing component

3170
01:44:06,254 --> 01:44:09,254
for housing in general was

3171
01:44:11,292 --> 01:44:12,226
driven by those numbers so

3172
01:44:12,226 --> 01:44:15,630
where are we in regards to the

3173
01:44:15,630 --> 01:44:18,733
numbers and where we are today?

3174
01:44:18,733 --> 01:44:18,900
>> in relation to

3175
01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:19,166
, our

3176
01:44:19,166 --> 01:44:21,166
capacity.

3177
01:44:22,203 --> 01:44:23,170
A relationship to the capacity

3178
01:44:23,170 --> 01:44:26,170
of the county conference and

3179
01:44:29,477 --> 01:44:30,511
plan to accommodate our growth,

3180
01:44:30,511 --> 01:44:31,512
we can accommodate the growth

3181
01:44:31,512 --> 01:44:31,846
to 2050 based on the projected

3182
01:44:31,846 --> 01:44:33,846
growth.

3183
01:44:38,419 --> 01:44:39,453
Out to 2050.

3184
01:44:39,453 --> 01:44:39,787
That's maybe the extent of the

3185
01:44:39,787 --> 01:44:41,787
relationship.

3186
01:44:44,859 --> 01:44:47,259
The cog projections were

3187
01:44:48,863 --> 01:44:49,797
recently updated.

3188
01:44:49,797 --> 01:44:52,866
They give a timeframe when our

3189
01:44:52,866 --> 01:44:55,803
growth is in that is not in

3190
01:44:55,803 --> 01:44:58,203
relation to the buildout.

3191
01:44:59,540 --> 01:45:00,308
Buildout does guide our

3192
01:45:00,308 --> 01:45:02,708
distribution a distribution in

3193
01:45:02,943 --> 01:45:05,943
the cog model used for

3194
01:45:08,816 --> 01:45:09,717
transportation modeling and air

3195
01:45:09,717 --> 01:45:10,117
quality monitoring and the

3196
01:45:10,117 --> 01:45:10,384
kinds of planning

3197
01:45:10,384 --> 01:45:11,319
exercises

3198
01:45:11,319 --> 01:45:13,719
including regional water supply

3199
01:45:15,456 --> 01:45:16,190
.

3200
01:45:16,190 --> 01:45:17,124
So there are many uses for the

3201
01:45:17,124 --> 01:45:20,724
cog data and this is something

3202
01:45:21,495 --> 01:45:22,496
that helps us develop and

3203
01:45:22,496 --> 01:45:26,960
refine and where the growth is

3204
01:45:27,335 --> 01:45:28,102
going to go in the model.

3205
01:45:28,102 --> 01:45:28,402
>> Yesli Vega: thank you for

3206
01:45:28,402 --> 01:45:30,402
that.

3207
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:33,107
I've been playing around

3208
01:45:33,107 --> 01:45:33,774
with it and I'm looking at the

3209
01:45:33,774 --> 01:45:35,576
nonresidential inventory

3210
01:45:35,576 --> 01:45:36,577
summary.

3211
01:45:36,577 --> 01:45:37,578
Do we have an interactive map

3212
01:45:37,578 --> 01:45:41,178
specific to data centers in the

3213
01:45:43,170 --> 01:45:43,784
county?

3214
01:45:43,784 --> 01:45:44,585
>> no, but that is a phase 2 we

3215
01:45:44,585 --> 01:45:48,185
can look at adding to the

3216
01:45:49,322 --> 01:45:49,924
buildout analysis to show where

3217
01:45:49,924 --> 01:45:53,524
data centers are and I know

3218
01:45:55,663 --> 01:45:55,963
that we are working on those

3219
01:45:55,963 --> 01:45:56,531
.

3220
01:45:56,531 --> 01:45:57,398
>> Yesli Vega: great.

3221
01:45:57,398 --> 01:45:59,398
Another directive avoided.

3222
01:46:00,535 --> 01:46:01,102
Can you talk to me about the

3223
01:46:01,102 --> 01:46:01,969
timing of the phase 2

3224
01:46:01,969 --> 01:46:04,369
interactive map for data

3225
01:46:05,973 --> 01:46:06,941
centers only in the county?

3226
01:46:06,941 --> 01:46:07,975
>> that is an effort that

3227
01:46:07,975 --> 01:46:09,975
requires coordination with

3228
01:46:15,316 --> 01:46:16,183
other departments such as

3229
01:46:16,183 --> 01:46:16,951
development services, which

3230
01:46:16,951 --> 01:46:17,919
again for the planning office

3231
01:46:17,919 --> 01:46:18,853
we handle the entitlements.

3232
01:46:18,853 --> 01:46:19,787
When it comes to building

3233
01:46:19,787 --> 01:46:20,688
permits and what have you, that

3234
01:46:20,688 --> 01:46:21,689
development services and so

3235
01:46:21,689 --> 01:46:23,357
there are already conversations

3236
01:46:23,357 --> 01:46:24,225
underway working with deputy

3237
01:46:24,225 --> 01:46:26,625
county executive and other

3238
01:46:30,198 --> 01:46:30,798
departments toward producing an

3239
01:46:30,798 --> 01:46:31,465
interactive map that includes

3240
01:46:31,465 --> 01:46:34,465
all the datacenter related data

3241
01:46:35,770 --> 01:46:36,504
that we have.

3242
01:46:36,504 --> 01:46:37,271
>> Yesli Vega: we don't have a

3243
01:46:37,271 --> 01:46:38,390
range in terms of timing?

3244
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:41,309
>> we would have to get back to

3245
01:46:41,309 --> 01:46:42,276
you on that.

3246
01:46:42,276 --> 01:46:44,276
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3247
01:46:47,582 --> 01:46:48,249
supervisor gordy?

3248
01:46:48,249 --> 01:46:51,249
>> Tom Gordy: I also just

3249
01:46:51,785 --> 01:46:52,720
applied for the tool.

3250
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:55,720
I've been playing around with

3251
01:46:56,757 --> 01:46:57,758
it for the past few weeks

3252
01:46:57,758 --> 01:46:58,726
looking into it and trying to

3253
01:46:58,726 --> 01:47:01,126
manipulate the numbers to

3254
01:47:01,562 --> 01:47:02,563
understand at least from the

3255
01:47:02,563 --> 01:47:04,563
brentsville district

3256
01:47:05,299 --> 01:47:07,699
perspective of what the

3257
01:47:08,369 --> 01:47:10,400
potential is in taking a look

3258
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,604
at the 10 acre lots and trying

3259
01:47:13,608 --> 01:47:17,208
to understand how many of those

3260
01:47:21,382 --> 01:47:22,830
could get built.

3261
01:47:22,830 --> 01:47:22,950
Looking how we can leverage it

3262
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:25,350
for calculations trying to

3263
01:47:26,654 --> 01:47:27,320
understand within a certain

3264
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:29,657
area what is the buildout

3265
01:47:29,657 --> 01:47:31,657
potential for that.

3266
01:47:33,194 --> 01:47:33,995
I've been enjoying learning how

3267
01:47:33,995 --> 01:47:36,464
to use the tool and I got to

3268
01:47:36,464 --> 01:47:37,231
spend more time on it.

3269
01:47:37,231 --> 01:47:39,660
The one thing I want to go back

3270
01:47:39,660 --> 01:47:40,660
to his affordable housing.

3271
01:47:40,660 --> 01:47:41,935
In each and every one of our

3272
01:47:41,935 --> 01:47:42,570
developments

3273
01:47:42,570 --> 01:47:44,970
, most of them have

3274
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:46,741
affordable units that are part

3275
01:47:46,741 --> 01:47:49,741
of it that become entitled.

3276
01:47:50,278 --> 01:47:53,278
Are you including in phase 2

3277
01:47:56,500 --> 01:47:56,651
helping us track the number of

3278
01:47:56,651 --> 01:47:59,510
affordable units that were

3279
01:48:00,540 --> 01:48:02,657
approved in part of the process

3280
01:48:02,657 --> 01:48:03,391
in sort helping us track

3281
01:48:03,391 --> 01:48:04,625
working toward meeting that

3282
01:48:04,625 --> 01:48:08,225
goal because that is going back

3283
01:48:10,231 --> 01:48:10,898
to cog and we set a target and

3284
01:48:10,898 --> 01:48:12,567
then how are we doing to meet

3285
01:48:12,567 --> 01:48:13,367
that target.

3286
01:48:13,367 --> 01:48:16,967
Will that be embedded in this

3287
01:48:20,174 --> 01:48:21,175
as well?

3288
01:48:21,175 --> 01:48:22,176
>> that is something we are

3289
01:48:22,176 --> 01:48:22,777
considering and have been

3290
01:48:22,777 --> 01:48:23,100
discussions of the housing

3291
01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:25,100
office.

3292
01:48:28,516 --> 01:48:29,217
In fact, we had a training this

3293
01:48:29,217 --> 01:48:31,520
morning on the affordable

3294
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:31,919
dwelling unit ornaments let all

3295
01:48:31,919 --> 01:48:34,319
three of our departments

3296
01:48:35,220 --> 01:48:35,823
provided that training because

3297
01:48:35,823 --> 01:48:38,823
we all play different roles

3298
01:48:40,494 --> 01:48:41,462
implementing that ordinance and

3299
01:48:41,462 --> 01:48:42,196
as a part of that using that as

3300
01:48:42,196 --> 01:48:42,763
a way to get our ducks in a row

3301
01:48:42,763 --> 01:48:43,698
to be able to track the

3302
01:48:43,698 --> 01:48:46,698
different ways that the county

3303
01:48:48,903 --> 01:48:49,470
gets affordable housing units.

3304
01:48:49,470 --> 01:48:52,470
We track it through the

3305
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:52,840
entitlements we have that data

3306
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:53,808
,

3307
01:48:53,808 --> 01:48:56,777
looking at the other mechanisms

3308
01:48:56,777 --> 01:48:56,978
through pyrite projects

3309
01:48:56,978 --> 01:48:58,446
.

3310
01:48:58,446 --> 01:49:01,349
That is something that again we

3311
01:49:01,349 --> 01:49:03,651
have already been discussing

3312
01:49:03,651 --> 01:49:06,651
the buildout analysis and their

3313
01:49:08,623 --> 01:49:09,624
other venues with the county is

3314
01:49:09,624 --> 01:49:13,824
asked to provide the data so we

3315
01:49:14,462 --> 01:49:15,329
would be looking at how we can

3316
01:49:15,329 --> 01:49:15,930
but the tracking mechanisms in

3317
01:49:15,930 --> 01:49:17,164
place so we can track the

3318
01:49:17,164 --> 01:49:20,764
various ways we could get units

3319
01:49:22,103 --> 01:49:23,700
moving forward that.

3320
01:49:23,700 --> 01:49:25,470
Which ones are committed

3321
01:49:29,677 --> 01:49:30,578
affordable units because that's

3322
01:49:30,578 --> 01:49:31,579
another distinction which one

3323
01:49:31,579 --> 01:49:32,513
state affordable so we can

3324
01:49:32,513 --> 01:49:33,514
continue to track it and to

3325
01:49:33,514 --> 01:49:36,514
figure out a buildout analysis

3326
01:49:38,719 --> 01:49:39,420
and/or other venues where we

3327
01:49:39,420 --> 01:49:43,620
can provide that data so we can

3328
01:49:44,224 --> 01:49:44,825
be transparent.

3329
01:49:44,825 --> 01:49:45,560
>> Tom Gordy: okay.

3330
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:47,960
On my last question.

3331
01:49:50,331 --> 01:49:51,232
and this MAY be efface three,

3332
01:49:51,232 --> 01:49:52,133
but as we update -- don't get

3333
01:49:52,133 --> 01:49:54,133
too excited, christina.

3334
01:49:54,502 --> 01:49:55,436
As we

3335
01:49:55,436 --> 01:49:57,836
update the targeted industries

3336
01:49:59,140 --> 01:50:00,174
list and we start looking at

3337
01:50:00,174 --> 01:50:03,774
the types of zonings sort of

3338
01:50:04,212 --> 01:50:05,213
having an overlay to know

3339
01:50:05,213 --> 01:50:05,846
what's available for the

3340
01:50:05,846 --> 01:50:08,246
targeted industries and pulling

3341
01:50:09,417 --> 01:50:10,384
all that together is a tool to

3342
01:50:10,384 --> 01:50:11,185
help us as we are talking but

3343
01:50:11,185 --> 01:50:13,287
we know we have x amount of

3344
01:50:13,287 --> 01:50:15,560
acres for this type of

3345
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:18,560
industry, this type of zoning

3346
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:23,160
in order to meet that need of

3347
01:50:30,338 --> 01:50:31,380
whatever the target industry is

3348
01:50:31,380 --> 01:50:31,906
.

3349
01:50:31,906 --> 01:50:32,139
I think that would be a great

3350
01:50:32,139 --> 01:50:33,400
benefit.

3351
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:33,607
But looking out more of a phase

3352
01:50:33,607 --> 01:50:33,908
3 approach.

3353
01:50:33,908 --> 01:50:34,108
Hat is all I

3354
01:50:34,108 --> 01:50:34,374
have.

3355
01:50:34,374 --> 01:50:35,108
Thank you.

3356
01:50:35,108 --> 01:50:36,100
> Deshundra Jefferson,

3357
01:50:36,100 --> 01:50:36,510
Mayor: thank you so very much.

3358
01:50:36,510 --> 01:50:37,578
Supervisor bailey?

3359
01:50:37,578 --> 01:50:38,246
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

3360
01:50:38,246 --> 01:50:38,880
thank you MADAM Chair.

3361
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:39,947
This is great.

3362
01:50:39,947 --> 01:50:40,810
Excellent news

3363
01:50:40,810 --> 01:50:42,810
.

3364
01:50:48,522 --> 01:50:48,756
It also enables us to create

3365
01:50:48,756 --> 01:50:49,590
vision.

3366
01:50:49,590 --> 01:50:50,591
You get together ANDb& create

3367
01:50:50,591 --> 01:50:52,260
vision for the future for our

3368
01:50:52,260 --> 01:50:54,260
county.

3369
01:50:54,762 --> 01:50:54,962
The question I had was about by

3370
01:50:54,962 --> 01:50:55,290
right

3371
01:50:55,290 --> 01:50:57,290
.

3372
01:51:01,350 --> 01:51:04,635
Does this help us better assess

3373
01:51:05,540 --> 01:51:09,140
or predict the by right pieces

3374
01:51:09,443 --> 01:51:10,144
of property we have?

3375
01:51:10,144 --> 01:51:10,511
That is always an opportunity

3376
01:51:10,511 --> 01:51:12,511
for us.

3377
01:51:16,517 --> 01:51:19,517
>> thank you for the question

3378
01:51:21,222 --> 01:51:21,956
supervisor bailey.

3379
01:51:21,956 --> 01:51:24,956
The residential inventory is a

3380
01:51:25,192 --> 01:51:25,459
list of everything zoned and

3381
01:51:25,459 --> 01:51:25,927
not built.

3382
01:51:25,927 --> 01:51:28,327
And has been zoned.

3383
01:51:28,863 --> 01:51:32,463
It already has the ability to

3384
01:51:33,434 --> 01:51:34,402
develop however many units or

3385
01:51:34,402 --> 01:51:37,238
square feet through the zoning

3386
01:51:37,238 --> 01:51:37,438
process already

3387
01:51:37,438 --> 01:51:38,172
.

3388
01:51:38,172 --> 01:51:41,172
It becomes the entitlement for

3389
01:51:45,146 --> 01:51:45,880
the piece of property.

3390
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:49,116
You can look at each rezoning

3391
01:51:49,116 --> 01:51:49,850
case, how many units are left

3392
01:51:49,850 --> 01:51:54,500
on see what the by right number

3393
01:51:56,457 --> 01:51:59,994
is for all the re-zonings that

3394
01:51:59,994 --> 01:52:00,695
can be developed by right.

3395
01:52:00,695 --> 01:52:01,662
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

3396
01:52:01,662 --> 01:52:03,998
and will that be compatible

3397
01:52:03,998 --> 01:52:04,665
with the datacenter information

3398
01:52:04,665 --> 01:52:07,650
supervisor vega asked you

3399
01:52:09,203 --> 01:52:09,971
about?

3400
01:52:09,971 --> 01:52:10,304
Unthought be integrated and

3401
01:52:10,304 --> 01:52:12,304
that also?

3402
01:52:18,179 --> 01:52:18,846
>> there's a non-inventory and

3403
01:52:18,846 --> 01:52:19,146
how many square feet

3404
01:52:19,146 --> 01:52:20,147
are left to

3405
01:52:20,147 --> 01:52:21,820
be developed on the cases so we

3406
01:52:21,820 --> 01:52:23,216
can look at now what can be

3407
01:52:23,216 --> 01:52:25,216
developed.

3408
01:52:25,987 --> 01:52:30,187
The data centers in and lots of

3409
01:52:32,693 --> 01:52:33,561
different districts, but other

3410
01:52:33,561 --> 01:52:34,228
uses can use the tool to look

3411
01:52:34,228 --> 01:52:36,628
for land zoned appropriately

3412
01:52:41,502 --> 01:52:42,203
for their use.

3413
01:52:42,203 --> 01:52:45,720
When you look up an individual

3414
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,108
case you will be able to tell

3415
01:52:47,108 --> 01:52:50,708
what the datacenter is and if

3416
01:52:53,281 --> 01:52:53,781
it is a datacenter or if it is

3417
01:52:53,781 --> 01:52:54,810
not associated with any

3418
01:52:54,810 --> 01:52:54,882
datacenter.

3419
01:52:54,882 --> 01:52:56,817
You could tell that from

3420
01:52:56,817 --> 01:53:00,417
looking up for a majority of

3421
01:53:01,188 --> 01:53:03,591
the cases listed in the

3422
01:53:03,591 --> 01:53:04,225
nonresidential inventory.

3423
01:53:04,225 --> 01:53:06,625
Some cases are blanket

3424
01:53:08,830 --> 01:53:09,730
industrial zonings done in 19

3425
01:53:09,730 --> 01:53:12,730
video when they created the

3426
01:53:16,170 --> 01:53:16,671
zoning map.

3427
01:53:16,671 --> 01:53:16,871
Most types it uses.

3428
01:53:16,871 --> 01:53:18,706
E are not

3429
01:53:18,706 --> 01:53:20,374
going to know other than the

3430
01:53:20,374 --> 01:53:23,374
total floor area ratio and

3431
01:53:28,820 --> 01:53:28,449
therefore the square footage

3432
01:53:28,449 --> 01:53:29,183
.

3433
01:53:29,183 --> 01:53:30,117
As far as a use, it can be any

3434
01:53:30,117 --> 01:53:31,520
use in the zoning district.

3435
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:33,452
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

3436
01:53:38,359 --> 01:53:39,360
thank you.

3437
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:40,270
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3438
01:53:40,270 --> 01:53:40,561
supervisor boddye thank you

3439
01:53:40,561 --> 01:53:41,462
MISS Washington.

3440
01:53:41,462 --> 01:53:41,729
Thank you for putting this

3441
01:53:41,729 --> 01:53:42,630
together.

3442
01:53:42,630 --> 01:53:43,564
I have also been someone asking

3443
01:53:43,564 --> 01:53:44,365
about the buildout analysis for

3444
01:53:44,365 --> 01:53:44,732
a while.

3445
01:53:44,732 --> 01:53:45,990
Temperature the

3446
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:46,000
conversation

3447
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:46,133
about there being future phases

3448
01:53:46,133 --> 01:53:47,000
.

3449
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:48,690
I was playing with that earlier

3450
01:53:48,690 --> 01:53:52,269
and are going to say this right

3451
01:53:58,279 --> 01:53:59,280
now.

3452
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:00,281
In the potomac mills activity

3453
01:54:00,281 --> 01:54:00,781
center is a dwelling potential

3454
01:54:00,781 --> 01:54:01,782
of 6300 units.

3455
01:54:01,782 --> 01:54:02,783
That makes me excited and I'm

3456
01:54:02,783 --> 01:54:02,950
sure it makes christina excited

3457
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:03,450
too.

3458
01:54:03,450 --> 01:54:03,517
My actual question is

3459
01:54:03,517 --> 01:54:04,452
.

3460
01:54:04,452 --> 01:54:06,852
David, you probably remember

3461
01:54:08,222 --> 01:54:08,923
this when we adopted the

3462
01:54:08,923 --> 01:54:11,323
comprehensive plan we allowed

3463
01:54:14,262 --> 01:54:15,229
to there to be some residential

3464
01:54:15,229 --> 01:54:18,229
allowed in the office mixed

3465
01:54:18,399 --> 01:54:19,100
use.

3466
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:21,969
However, as I look at it right

3467
01:54:21,969 --> 01:54:25,569
now in the office mixed use

3468
01:54:29,276 --> 01:54:30,211
countywide figuring out a

3469
01:54:30,211 --> 01:54:31,120
dwelling unit potential is zero

3470
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:32,847
and so could you talk about how

3471
01:54:32,847 --> 01:54:33,814
that drives knowing we added

3472
01:54:33,814 --> 01:54:35,814
residential allowances in

3473
01:54:38,553 --> 01:54:39,587
there?

3474
01:54:39,587 --> 01:54:41,556
>> I believe it was a small

3475
01:54:41,556 --> 01:54:41,689
percentage

3476
01:54:41,689 --> 01:54:43,689
.

3477
01:54:43,991 --> 01:54:44,926
We wanted to be consistent and

3478
01:54:44,926 --> 01:54:46,860
so with the conference and

3479
01:54:46,860 --> 01:54:47,528
plan.

3480
01:54:47,528 --> 01:54:51,128
That is something we can go

3481
01:54:53,340 --> 01:54:53,935
back and look at and see if we

3482
01:54:53,935 --> 01:54:54,168
should assume some residential

3483
01:54:54,168 --> 01:54:56,168
growth.

3484
01:55:02,276 --> 01:55:03,277
But again, it was a smaller

3485
01:55:03,277 --> 01:55:03,978
percentage of that particular

3486
01:55:03,978 --> 01:55:04,912
designation but we can go back

3487
01:55:04,912 --> 01:55:06,480
and look at that thank you so

3488
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:07,248
much.

3489
01:55:07,248 --> 01:55:08,316
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3490
01:55:08,316 --> 01:55:11,916
I don't have anyone else in

3491
01:55:15,556 --> 01:55:16,324
queue.

3492
01:55:16,324 --> 01:55:17,191
It is fun to geek out and play

3493
01:55:17,191 --> 01:55:17,758
around because there is so much

3494
01:55:17,758 --> 01:55:20,158
data at your fingertips.

3495
01:55:25,499 --> 01:55:26,467
It looks really good.

3496
01:55:26,467 --> 01:55:27,100
It looks very, very good so

3497
01:55:27,100 --> 01:55:27,835
thank you.

3498
01:55:27,835 --> 01:55:28,803
>> MR. Shorter: thank you MADAM

3499
01:55:28,803 --> 01:55:29,102
Chair and thank you director

3500
01:55:29,102 --> 01:55:29,971
washington.

3501
01:55:29,971 --> 01:55:33,571
Thank you all for the great

3502
01:55:38,780 --> 01:55:39,800
work.

3503
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:40,810
To directives issued last week

3504
01:55:40,810 --> 01:55:41,810
when we were together staff is

3505
01:55:41,810 --> 01:55:41,816
directed to research, review,

3506
01:55:41,816 --> 01:55:42,917
and evaluate the positions of

3507
01:55:42,917 --> 01:55:43,584
the state code section which

3508
01:55:43,584 --> 01:55:44,585
allows for the creation of

3509
01:55:44,585 --> 01:55:46,585
local economic revitalization

3510
01:55:50,423 --> 01:55:51,325
zones in the section that

3511
01:55:51,325 --> 01:55:51,959
provides impartial tax

3512
01:55:51,959 --> 01:55:52,927
exemption for properties in the

3513
01:55:52,927 --> 01:55:53,961
designated redevelopment

3514
01:55:53,961 --> 01:55:54,928
conservation areas where

3515
01:55:54,928 --> 01:55:56,364
rehabilitation districts all

3516
01:55:56,364 --> 01:55:56,898
with the purpose of providing

3517
01:55:56,898 --> 01:55:58,898
recommendations on the

3518
01:56:00,501 --> 01:56:01,502
establishment of a local

3519
01:56:01,502 --> 01:56:02,169
economic development

3520
01:56:02,169 --> 01:56:03,237
revitalization zone ordinance

3521
01:56:03,237 --> 01:56:04,605
this directive was assigned to

3522
01:56:04,605 --> 01:56:05,206
the department of economic

3523
01:56:05,206 --> 01:56:06,107
element and tourism.

3524
01:56:06,107 --> 01:56:09,707
Staff is directed to bring a

3525
01:56:20,755 --> 01:56:21,422
resolution to the board to

3526
01:56:21,422 --> 01:56:21,923
dissolve the arts council,

3527
01:56:21,923 --> 01:56:22,690
which we did today.

3528
01:56:22,690 --> 01:56:23,658
That resolution -- that

3529
01:56:23,658 --> 01:56:24,225
directive was assigned to the

3530
01:56:24,225 --> 01:56:24,692
department of parks and

3531
01:56:24,692 --> 01:56:25,426
recreation.

3532
01:56:25,426 --> 01:56:25,860
And it will be closed today

3533
01:56:25,860 --> 01:56:26,794
given the agenda.

3534
01:56:26,794 --> 01:56:27,662
There were no directives closed

3535
01:56:27,662 --> 01:56:30,662
during the week between last

3536
01:56:32,833 --> 01:56:33,234
meeting in this meeting

3537
01:56:33,234 --> 01:56:34,568
.

3538
01:56:34,568 --> 01:56:35,102
MADAM Chair, I wanted to take a

3539
01:56:35,102 --> 01:56:35,536
moment if I can commit to

3540
01:56:35,536 --> 01:56:37,536
recognize michelle.

3541
01:56:38,500 --> 01:56:41,500
She is retiring this month.

3542
01:56:42,643 --> 01:56:43,411
She served as the director of

3543
01:56:43,411 --> 01:56:45,411
public safety communications

3544
01:56:47,648 --> 01:56:48,115
and has served this community

3545
01:56:48,115 --> 01:56:50,115
for 36 years.

3546
01:56:51,652 --> 01:56:52,653
I want to recognize her,

3547
01:56:52,653 --> 01:56:53,754
thinker to hers for her service

3548
01:56:53,754 --> 01:56:56,154
overseeing us through a

3549
01:56:57,390 --> 01:56:57,658
generation here

3550
01:56:57,658 --> 01:56:58,626
.

3551
01:56:58,626 --> 01:56:59,293
All kinds of technological

3552
01:56:59,293 --> 01:57:02,293
changes and other changes in

3553
01:57:05,333 --> 01:57:05,533
the county when she has been

3554
01:57:05,533 --> 01:57:06,334
here.

3555
01:57:06,334 --> 01:57:06,601
She is the voice behind the

3556
01:57:06,601 --> 01:57:07,902
voiceless.

3557
01:57:07,902 --> 01:57:08,903
Those who call 9-1-1. I would

3558
01:57:08,903 --> 01:57:12,503
like to take a moment because

3559
01:57:16,177 --> 01:57:16,711
this is his last meeting with

3560
01:57:16,711 --> 01:57:17,945
prince william county.

3561
01:57:17,945 --> 01:57:18,946
I would like to recognize our

3562
01:57:18,946 --> 01:57:19,213
deputy county executive dan

3563
01:57:19,213 --> 01:57:21,213
alexander.

3564
01:57:23,517 --> 01:57:24,418
Dan has been appointed to be

3565
01:57:24,418 --> 01:57:26,200
the next city manager for the

3566
01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:26,870
city of fairfax

3567
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:28,870
.

3568
01:57:31,292 --> 01:57:31,993
We are going to MISS Him here.

3569
01:57:31,993 --> 01:57:32,293
Appreciate his service and

3570
01:57:32,293 --> 01:57:32,994
work.

3571
01:57:32,994 --> 01:57:33,794
It's been a pioneer in that he

3572
01:57:33,794 --> 01:57:36,794
served as the first deputy

3573
01:57:43,938 --> 01:57:44,972
county executive on the safe

3574
01:57:44,972 --> 01:57:45,406
and secure community quadrant.

3575
01:57:45,406 --> 01:57:46,406
So dan, thank you.

3576
01:57:46,406 --> 01:57:47,208
Thank you for all you have done

3577
01:57:47,208 --> 01:57:47,507
for the county.

3578
01:57:47,507 --> 01:57:48,242
[Applause]

3579
01:57:48,242 --> 01:57:53,420
And I want to make sure that I

3580
01:57:57,418 --> 01:57:57,552
recognize

3581
01:57:57,552 --> 01:57:58,553
.

3582
01:57:58,553 --> 01:57:58,819
If there's anything else.

3583
01:57:58,819 --> 01:58:00,819
All right.

3584
01:58:02,757 --> 01:58:03,558
Well

3585
01:58:03,558 --> 01:58:04,458
, finally I want to make

3586
01:58:04,458 --> 01:58:08,580
sure I think in recognize steve

3587
01:58:09,230 --> 01:58:10,131
austin.

3588
01:58:10,131 --> 01:58:10,731
Steve has come out of

3589
01:58:10,731 --> 01:58:12,700
retirement to serve as acting

3590
01:58:12,700 --> 01:58:13,367
deputy county executive for

3591
01:58:13,367 --> 01:58:16,367
safe and secure community while

3592
01:58:21,142 --> 01:58:21,609
we search when he has served in

3593
01:58:21,609 --> 01:58:23,311
this community for a

3594
01:58:23,311 --> 01:58:25,711
significant amount of time.

3595
01:58:29,116 --> 01:58:29,850
I personally called to ask him

3596
01:58:29,850 --> 01:58:30,885
to come back and appreciate he

3597
01:58:30,885 --> 01:58:31,619
has taken the opportunity to

3598
01:58:31,619 --> 01:58:34,619
come back and serve the

3599
01:58:34,755 --> 01:58:34,956
community so thank you so much

3600
01:58:34,956 --> 01:58:36,390
.

3601
01:58:36,390 --> 01:58:39,990
And with that I will close,

3602
01:58:42,697 --> 01:58:43,698
MADAM Chair.

3603
01:58:43,698 --> 01:58:44,332
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3604
01:58:44,332 --> 01:58:45,199
thank you and let's move to

3605
01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:48,199
agenda item number nine and

3606
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:52,673
that is county attorney time.

3607
01:58:52,673 --> 01:58:52,907
MADAM Attorney, the floor if

3608
01:58:52,907 --> 01:58:54,800
you are.

3609
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:54,742
> MR. Shorter: thank you met

3610
01:58:54,742 --> 01:58:55,643
interpret this afternoon we

3611
01:58:55,643 --> 01:58:56,510
will have several items for the

3612
01:58:56,510 --> 01:58:57,245
first is consultation with

3613
01:58:57,245 --> 01:58:58,145
legal counsel and briefings by

3614
01:58:58,145 --> 01:58:59,346
staff members pertaining to the

3615
01:58:59,346 --> 01:59:00,281
discussion or consideration of

3616
01:59:00,281 --> 01:59:03,281
the disposition a publicly held

3617
01:59:09,390 --> 01:59:10,124
real property along with the

3618
01:59:10,124 --> 01:59:11,250
consultation with legal counsel

3619
01:59:11,250 --> 01:59:11,893
and briefings by staff members

3620
01:59:11,893 --> 01:59:12,627
regarding specific legal

3621
01:59:12,627 --> 01:59:13,895
matters requiring the provision

3622
01:59:13,895 --> 01:59:14,896
of legal advice by such counsel

3623
01:59:14,896 --> 01:59:17,296
pertaining to land-use and

3624
01:59:25,706 --> 01:59:26,774
electric energy

3625
01:59:26,774 --> 01:59:27,774
, electric power

3626
01:59:27,774 --> 01:59:28,409
regulatory law to include legal

3627
01:59:28,409 --> 01:59:29,277
advice on proposed energy

3628
01:59:29,277 --> 01:59:30,278
projects including but not

3629
01:59:30,278 --> 01:59:31,212
limited to the dominion energy

3630
01:59:31,212 --> 01:59:31,779
nokesville to bristow 230

3631
01:59:31,779 --> 01:59:32,513
project on the more smoke

3632
01:59:32,513 --> 01:59:33,481
wishing star 532 project were

3633
01:59:33,481 --> 01:59:34,448
such consultation, discussion

3634
01:59:34,448 --> 01:59:36,848
our briefing would adversely

3635
01:59:59,974 --> 02:00:00,808
affect the bargaining position,

3636
02:00:00,808 --> 02:00:01,442
negotiate a strategy,

3637
02:00:01,442 --> 02:00:02,376
litigating posture of the

3638
02:00:02,376 --> 02:00:02,909
public body we will

3639
02:00:02,909 --> 02:00:04,110
consultation with legal

3640
02:00:04,110 --> 02:00:05,313
counsel, briefings pertaining

3641
02:00:05,313 --> 02:00:05,912
to the discussion concerning an

3642
02:00:05,912 --> 02:00:06,814
economic develop an item

3643
02:00:06,814 --> 02:00:07,515
regarding an expansion of an

3644
02:00:07,515 --> 02:00:08,549
existing business or industry

3645
02:00:08,549 --> 02:00:09,517
were no previous announcement

3646
02:00:09,517 --> 02:00:10,384
has been made on the business

3647
02:00:10,384 --> 02:00:11,850
or industries interest in

3648
02:00:11,850 --> 02:00:12,860
expending the facilities and

3649
02:00:12,860 --> 02:00:12,820
the county along with the

3650
02:00:12,820 --> 02:00:13,854
related discussion or

3651
02:00:13,854 --> 02:00:14,822
consideration of the investment

3652
02:00:14,822 --> 02:00:15,423
of public funds for economic

3653
02:00:15,423 --> 02:00:16,324
development matters where

3654
02:00:16,324 --> 02:00:17,358
competition in bargaining is

3655
02:00:17,358 --> 02:00:18,250
involved with made public

3656
02:00:18,250 --> 02:00:18,826
initially financial interest of

3657
02:00:18,826 --> 02:00:19,392
the county would be adversely

3658
02:00:19,392 --> 02:00:20,328
affected along with the

3659
02:00:20,328 --> 02:00:21,620
discussion or consideration of

3660
02:00:21,620 --> 02:00:21,462
disposition a publicly held

3661
02:00:21,462 --> 02:00:22,463
real property.

3662
02:00:22,463 --> 02:00:23,431
All where discussion in an open

3663
02:00:23,431 --> 02:00:24,298
meeting would adversely affect

3664
02:00:24,298 --> 02:00:25,766
the litigating posture,

3665
02:00:25,766 --> 02:00:26,400
bargaining position, or

3666
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:26,601
negotiating strategy the public

3667
02:00:26,601 --> 02:00:27,401
body.

3668
02:00:27,401 --> 02:00:28,302
We will consultation with legal

3669
02:00:28,302 --> 02:00:29,303
stuff counsel and briefings by

3670
02:00:29,303 --> 02:00:29,904
staff members containing to an

3671
02:00:29,904 --> 02:00:30,838
economic develop an item

3672
02:00:30,838 --> 02:00:31,572
regarding the discussion or

3673
02:00:31,572 --> 02:00:32,807
consideration of the investment

3674
02:00:32,807 --> 02:00:36,407
of public funds for an economic

3675
02:00:36,811 --> 02:00:37,711
development matter where

3676
02:00:37,711 --> 02:00:38,713
competition or bargaining is

3677
02:00:38,713 --> 02:00:39,380
involved where it made public

3678
02:00:39,380 --> 02:00:40,281
initially the financial

3679
02:00:40,281 --> 02:00:41,315
interest of the county would be

3680
02:00:41,315 --> 02:00:42,216
adversely affected, along with

3681
02:00:42,216 --> 02:00:42,917
a discussion and consideration

3682
02:00:42,917 --> 02:00:43,951
of the disposition a publicly

3683
02:00:43,951 --> 02:00:45,520
held real property.

3684
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:45,953
All where discussion in an open

3685
02:00:45,953 --> 02:00:46,954
meeting would adversely affect

3686
02:00:46,954 --> 02:00:47,521
the bargaining position,

3687
02:00:47,521 --> 02:00:48,456
litigating posture, and

3688
02:00:48,456 --> 02:00:50,856
negotiating strategy the public

3689
02:01:02,436 --> 02:01:03,304
body.

3690
02:01:03,304 --> 02:01:04,438
Consultation with the ghost

3691
02:01:04,438 --> 02:01:04,972
counsel and briefings by staff

3692
02:01:04,972 --> 02:01:05,940
members pertaining to the

3693
02:01:05,940 --> 02:01:06,941
discussion concerning an

3694
02:01:06,941 --> 02:01:07,942
economic development item

3695
02:01:07,942 --> 02:01:08,943
regarding an expansion of the

3696
02:01:08,943 --> 02:01:09,644
existing business or industry

3697
02:01:09,644 --> 02:01:10,610
were no previous announcement

3698
02:01:10,610 --> 02:01:11,512
has been made if the business

3699
02:01:11,512 --> 02:01:12,480
or industry interest in

3700
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:12,713
extending the facilities in the

3701
02:01:12,713 --> 02:01:13,414
county.

3702
02:01:13,414 --> 02:01:14,415
Along with the related

3703
02:01:14,415 --> 02:01:15,149
discussion or consideration of

3704
02:01:15,149 --> 02:01:16,117
the investment of public funds

3705
02:01:16,117 --> 02:01:18,117
for economic development

3706
02:01:20,655 --> 02:01:21,589
matters where competition or

3707
02:01:21,589 --> 02:01:22,589
bargaining is involved were

3708
02:01:22,589 --> 02:01:23,224
initially made public the

3709
02:01:23,224 --> 02:01:24,900
financial interest of the

3710
02:01:24,900 --> 02:01:24,792
county would be adversely

3711
02:01:24,792 --> 02:01:25,560
affected, all where discussion

3712
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:26,594
in an open meeting would

3713
02:01:26,594 --> 02:01:27,595
adversely affect the litigating

3714
02:01:27,595 --> 02:01:28,296
posture and bargaining position

3715
02:01:28,296 --> 02:01:30,696
in negotiating strategy the

3716
02:01:42,743 --> 02:01:43,744
public body

3717
02:01:43,744 --> 02:01:44,912
.

3718
02:01:44,912 --> 02:01:45,913
Finally, personnel discussions

3719
02:01:45,913 --> 02:01:46,981
and considerations relating to

3720
02:01:46,981 --> 02:01:48,216
the hiring of an interactive it

3721
02:01:48,216 --> 02:01:49,217
off as a human resources were

3722
02:01:49,217 --> 02:01:49,951
consultation, briefing or

3723
02:01:49,951 --> 02:01:50,785
discussion in an open meeting

3724
02:01:50,785 --> 02:01:51,986
would adversely affect the

3725
02:01:51,986 --> 02:01:52,720
bargaining position, letting an

3726
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:53,421
imposter, or negotiating

3727
02:01:53,421 --> 02:01:54,322
strategy of the public body.

3728
02:01:54,322 --> 02:01:55,289
These items are pretty close

3729
02:01:55,289 --> 02:01:56,224
session presented 2.2-3711 a1,

3730
02:01:56,224 --> 02:01:56,891
three, five, six and eight of

3731
02:01:56,891 --> 02:01:58,226
the code of virginia.

3732
02:01:58,226 --> 02:01:58,726
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3733
02:01:58,726 --> 02:01:59,126
hold on.

3734
02:01:59,126 --> 02:01:59,927
Supervisor gordy.

3735
02:01:59,927 --> 02:02:00,795
> Tom Gordy: before the

3736
02:02:00,795 --> 02:02:01,829
board votes on the racing and

3737
02:02:01,829 --> 02:02:02,730
holds the closed meeting a need

3738
02:02:02,730 --> 02:02:03,730
to declare personal interest

3739
02:02:03,730 --> 02:02:04,732
regarding the dominion energy

3740
02:02:04,732 --> 02:02:06,732
nokesville to bristow 230

3741
02:02:07,802 --> 02:02:08,502
kilowatts electric transmission

3742
02:02:08,502 --> 02:02:09,437
project but my home is located

3743
02:02:09,437 --> 02:02:09,804
in the vicinity of the project

3744
02:02:09,804 --> 02:02:10,304
study area.

3745
02:02:10,304 --> 02:02:10,938
S property owners

3746
02:02:10,938 --> 02:02:11,806
in proximity to the project

3747
02:02:11,806 --> 02:02:14,574
study area my wife and I are

3748
02:02:14,574 --> 02:02:15,142
members of a group which is

3749
02:02:15,142 --> 02:02:16,477
affected by the matter.

3750
02:02:16,477 --> 02:02:17,178
I will be participating in the

3751
02:02:17,178 --> 02:02:18,412
matter because I am able to do

3752
02:02:18,412 --> 02:02:19,790
so fairly, objectively, and in

3753
02:02:19,790 --> 02:02:20,414
the public interest.

3754
02:02:20,414 --> 02:02:22,414
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3755
02:02:23,170 --> 02:02:23,417
thank you.

3756
02:02:23,417 --> 02:02:24,218
We have a motion.

3757
02:02:24,218 --> 02:02:24,819
> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

3758
02:02:24,819 --> 02:02:25,653
move for approval.

3759
02:02:25,653 --> 02:02:27,210
>> Kenny Boddye: second.

3760
02:02:27,210 --> 02:02:27,687
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3761
02:02:27,687 --> 02:02:30,157
let's go ahead and take our

3762
02:02:30,157 --> 02:02:31,250
vote.

3763
02:02:31,250 --> 02:02:33,250
>> Victor Angry: aye.

3764
02:02:34,929 --> 02:02:35,429
>> thank you supervisor angry.

3765
02:02:35,429 --> 02:02:36,464
Vote unanimous.

3766
02:02:36,464 --> 02:02:38,332
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3767
02:02:38,332 --> 02:02:39,667
thank you so very much.

3768
02:02:39,667 --> 02:02:41,667
Ding, victor.

3769
02:02:42,690 --> 02:02:45,669
I appreciate you for staying in

3770
02:02:46,407 --> 02:02:47,375
their.

3771
02:02:47,375 --> 02:02:47,874
We are going to go to MR.

3772
02:02:47,874 --> 02:02:50,274
Shorter for agency time.

3773
02:02:50,711 --> 02:02:51,712
>> MR. Shorter: with item 10 a

3774
02:02:51,712 --> 02:02:52,813
we just talked about it as we

3775
02:02:52,813 --> 02:02:53,881
adopted

3776
02:02:53,881 --> 02:02:56,281
, the board adopted the

3777
02:02:57,385 --> 02:02:58,252
ordinance for local foundation

3778
02:02:58,252 --> 02:02:59,887
and soul management earlier in

3779
02:02:59,887 --> 02:03:01,887
the meeting.

3780
02:03:04,392 --> 02:03:05,326
This is the transfer budget and

3781
02:03:05,326 --> 02:03:06,327
appropriate item and we are

3782
02:03:06,327 --> 02:03:08,727
asking for the board

3783
02:03:14,569 --> 02:03:15,569
consideration.

3784
02:03:15,569 --> 02:03:16,604
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3785
02:03:16,604 --> 02:03:16,871
are there any further questions

3786
02:03:16,871 --> 02:03:17,572
for staff?

3787
02:03:17,572 --> 02:03:21,309
If not I would like to get a

3788
02:03:21,309 --> 02:03:21,943
motion to move 10a forward.

3789
02:03:21,943 --> 02:03:22,910
Properly moved and seconded.

3790
02:03:22,910 --> 02:03:23,110
Any further discussion around

3791
02:03:23,110 --> 02:03:23,945
this?

3792
02:03:23,945 --> 02:03:24,145
>> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM

3793
02:03:24,145 --> 02:03:24,946
Chair.

3794
02:03:24,946 --> 02:03:28,546
I want to reiterate the staff

3795
02:03:29,383 --> 02:03:29,951
report explicitly states

3796
02:03:29,951 --> 02:03:30,884
recurring costs for the

3797
02:03:30,884 --> 02:03:31,485
foundation until management

3798
02:03:31,485 --> 02:03:32,119
fund that will need to be

3799
02:03:32,119 --> 02:03:35,119
included in the budget are

3800
02:03:41,128 --> 02:03:42,129
unknown at this time also, the

3801
02:03:42,129 --> 02:03:42,964
report warns analyze programs

3802
02:03:42,964 --> 02:03:43,598
cause will be driven by

3803
02:03:43,598 --> 02:03:44,465
community interest in the

3804
02:03:44,465 --> 02:03:46,465
program which could

3805
02:03:48,536 --> 02:03:49,470
significantly be more than the

3806
02:03:49,470 --> 02:03:50,404
initial 200,000 transfer been

3807
02:03:50,404 --> 02:03:50,605
asked from the contingency fund

3808
02:03:50,605 --> 02:03:52,240
today.

3809
02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:53,207
I think we can all assume that

3810
02:03:53,207 --> 02:03:58,700
is just to kick this off at the

3811
02:04:03,784 --> 02:04:04,252
ask is going to be much greater

3812
02:04:04,252 --> 02:04:05,219
than the 200,000.

3813
02:04:05,219 --> 02:04:06,153
And lastly, the ordinance

3814
02:04:06,153 --> 02:04:07,540
clearly states the board is not

3815
02:04:07,540 --> 02:04:08,550
required to budget and or

3816
02:04:08,550 --> 02:04:08,556
appropriate funds to the fund

3817
02:04:08,556 --> 02:04:09,560
each year relying on

3818
02:04:09,560 --> 02:04:09,724
voluntarily edible

3819
02:04:09,724 --> 02:04:10,658
appropriations to the fund

3820
02:04:10,658 --> 02:04:11,325
being empty or unable to meet

3821
02:04:11,325 --> 02:04:13,694
demand if that community

3822
02:04:13,694 --> 02:04:14,295
interest is hi.

3823
02:04:14,295 --> 02:04:15,196
Again MADAM Chair, to my

3824
02:04:15,196 --> 02:04:18,196
colleagues, I don't think that

3825
02:04:18,366 --> 02:04:19,660
this is a radial.

3826
02:04:19,660 --> 02:04:22,970
There are a lot of unknowns and

3827
02:04:22,970 --> 02:04:23,638
a lot of things in my opinion

3828
02:04:23,638 --> 02:04:24,972
we can still figure out make

3829
02:04:24,972 --> 02:04:27,341
sugar through transparency and

3830
02:04:27,341 --> 02:04:28,109
accountability and how these

3831
02:04:28,109 --> 02:04:28,776
funds are going to be

3832
02:04:28,776 --> 02:04:30,378
administered once the time

3833
02:04:30,378 --> 02:04:30,478
comes

3834
02:04:30,478 --> 02:04:31,445
.

3835
02:04:31,445 --> 02:04:33,447
Lastly, I do have one question

3836
02:04:33,447 --> 02:04:34,282
and assuming this will pass,

3837
02:04:34,282 --> 02:04:37,282
which more than likely will

3838
02:04:42,155 --> 02:04:43,190
,

3839
02:04:43,190 --> 02:04:44,158
when do we anticipate that the

3840
02:04:44,158 --> 02:04:44,859
fund will be semi-operational

3841
02:04:44,859 --> 02:04:47,259
or operational altogether to

3842
02:04:55,937 --> 02:04:56,938
start receiving applications?

3843
02:04:56,938 --> 02:04:58,938
>> deputy director of

3844
02:05:03,770 --> 02:05:03,144
development services

3845
02:05:03,144 --> 02:05:05,144
.

3846
02:05:07,415 --> 02:05:08,115
If the money is appropriated,

3847
02:05:08,115 --> 02:05:10,515
the applications would start

3848
02:05:14,455 --> 02:05:15,890
MAY through JULY 2026 with the

3849
02:05:15,890 --> 02:05:15,289
applications coming to the

3850
02:05:15,289 --> 02:05:16,123
board.

3851
02:05:16,123 --> 02:05:18,523
All the application submitted

3852
02:05:22,697 --> 02:05:23,631
coming to the board in

3853
02:05:23,631 --> 02:05:24,131
SEPTEMBER 26 because AUGUST you

3854
02:05:24,131 --> 02:05:25,132
are on recess.

3855
02:05:25,132 --> 02:05:25,800
That will line us up to bring

3856
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:26,670
everything to the board in

3857
02:05:26,670 --> 02:05:27,235
SEPTEMBER.

3858
02:05:27,235 --> 02:05:29,235
Ith our scoring

3859
02:05:32,173 --> 02:05:33,740
and top scoring kind of thing.

3860
02:05:33,740 --> 02:05:33,574
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3861
02:05:33,574 --> 02:05:35,574
all right.

3862
02:05:35,743 --> 02:05:37,743
Anything else?

3863
02:05:38,479 --> 02:05:41,615
If not, let's go ahead and take

3864
02:05:41,615 --> 02:05:43,615
our vote.

3865
02:05:53,828 --> 02:05:54,829
>> Victor Angry: aye.

3866
02:05:54,829 --> 02:05:56,829
>> motion passes 6/2 supervisor

3867
02:05:58,633 --> 02:05:59,600
gordy and vega voting no.

3868
02:05:59,600 --> 02:05:59,901
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

3869
02:05:59,901 --> 02:06:01,901
MR. Shorter?

3870
02:06:03,204 --> 02:06:04,205
>> MR. Shorter: very excited to

3871
02:06:04,205 --> 02:06:05,406
invite christina winn in the

3872
02:06:05,406 --> 02:06:06,107
economic development and

3873
02:06:06,107 --> 02:06:08,107
tourism team up.

3874
02:06:13,247 --> 02:06:13,948
Consistent with the strategic

3875
02:06:13,948 --> 02:06:14,849
plan presentation of the board

3876
02:06:14,849 --> 02:06:16,817
saw the last time we were

3877
02:06:16,817 --> 02:06:17,818
together, very excited about

3878
02:06:17,818 --> 02:06:20,818
the completion of the workforce

3879
02:06:21,355 --> 02:06:22,560
development study and all the

3880
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:22,823
work that happened up to this

3881
02:06:22,823 --> 02:06:23,424
point.

3882
02:06:23,424 --> 02:06:26,424
Whenever we can get the

3883
02:06:26,893 --> 02:06:27,862
presentation up

3884
02:06:27,862 --> 02:06:30,262
, I will turn it

3885
02:06:34,235 --> 02:06:35,236
to christina winn.

3886
02:06:35,236 --> 02:06:36,236
>> Christina Winn: thank you.

3887
02:06:36,236 --> 02:06:36,837
Good afternoon chair jefferson,

3888
02:06:36,837 --> 02:06:37,737
members of the board.

3889
02:06:37,737 --> 02:06:38,539
Economic development and

3890
02:06:38,539 --> 02:06:39,239
tourism.

3891
02:06:39,239 --> 02:06:43,277
I am really excited to be here

3892
02:06:43,277 --> 02:06:44,278
today to talk about our

3893
02:06:44,278 --> 02:06:45,746
workforce presentation.

3894
02:06:45,746 --> 02:06:48,146
As you know, economic

3895
02:06:48,382 --> 02:06:50,782
development, our main mission

3896
02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:54,522
is to create jobs and attract

3897
02:06:54,522 --> 02:06:56,922
businesses and retain those

3898
02:07:03,397 --> 02:07:04,165
businesses.

3899
02:07:04,165 --> 02:07:04,899
When we look at what companies

3900
02:07:04,899 --> 02:07:05,533
come in their mind main

3901
02:07:05,533 --> 02:07:07,533
criteria, their initial

3902
02:07:07,568 --> 02:07:08,436
criteria when they are looking

3903
02:07:08,436 --> 02:07:10,104
for a new location is always

3904
02:07:10,104 --> 02:07:13,704
about workforce that is top on

3905
02:07:15,141 --> 02:07:17,141
the list.

3906
02:07:19,647 --> 02:07:20,248
Skills and demand for workforce

3907
02:07:20,248 --> 02:07:22,648
has become even more

3908
02:07:23,117 --> 02:07:25,117
competitive amongst companies,

3909
02:07:26,153 --> 02:07:29,153
and as become even more

3910
02:07:30,291 --> 02:07:33,291
important to focus on workforce

3911
02:07:34,594 --> 02:07:35,830
and economic development.

3912
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:36,960
As MR. Shorter mentioned

3913
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:38,960
,

3914
02:07:40,368 --> 02:07:43,968
workforce is spelled out in our

3915
02:07:46,407 --> 02:07:48,309
strategic plan and the study is

3916
02:07:48,309 --> 02:07:48,543
going toward being responsive

3917
02:07:48,543 --> 02:07:50,543
to that.

3918
02:07:55,349 --> 02:07:57,349
Last year

3919
02:07:57,451 --> 02:07:58,452
, put it this way.

3920
02:07:58,452 --> 02:07:59,200
During the pandemic we had to

3921
02:07:59,200 --> 02:07:59,587
stand up a lot workforce

3922
02:07:59,587 --> 02:08:00,787
related programs because

3923
02:08:00,787 --> 02:08:01,222
employment agon hi we were

3924
02:08:01,222 --> 02:08:03,222
doing that.

3925
02:08:03,424 --> 02:08:05,824
We did not have

3926
02:08:07,762 --> 02:08:10,162
any existing staff people

3927
02:08:10,531 --> 02:08:13,301
focused on it so everybody was

3928
02:08:13,301 --> 02:08:14,350
doing workforce development

3929
02:08:14,350 --> 02:08:16,350
.

3930
02:08:16,971 --> 02:08:17,705
In the fiscal year the board

3931
02:08:17,705 --> 02:08:21,776
and given us a position to we

3932
02:08:21,776 --> 02:08:22,710
are in the process of hiring

3933
02:08:22,710 --> 02:08:25,246
our new workforce position that

3934
02:08:25,246 --> 02:08:27,646
would be dedicated to

3935
02:08:28,649 --> 02:08:29,250
workforce, which this is super

3936
02:08:29,250 --> 02:08:31,650
crucial for moving this

3937
02:08:32,420 --> 02:08:34,420
forward.

3938
02:08:35,823 --> 02:08:38,823
As background in AUGUST of 2024

3939
02:08:43,970 --> 02:08:43,898
we went through an rfp process

3940
02:08:43,898 --> 02:08:44,799
we hired to strategies to

3941
02:08:44,799 --> 02:08:46,667
perform an analysis of

3942
02:08:46,667 --> 02:08:47,201
workforce development in prince

3943
02:08:47,201 --> 02:08:49,201
william county.

3944
02:08:53,441 --> 02:08:54,108
So why do we do this?

3945
02:08:54,108 --> 02:08:54,942
There are so many workforce

3946
02:08:54,942 --> 02:08:55,943
players in this landscape.

3947
02:08:55,943 --> 02:08:56,100
Everybody does a little piece

3948
02:08:56,100 --> 02:08:56,644
.

3949
02:08:56,644 --> 02:09:00,244
Whether it is on the training

3950
02:09:01,582 --> 02:09:02,149
front door with attraction or

3951
02:09:02,149 --> 02:09:04,149
skills development.

3952
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:07,210
All of

3953
02:09:07,210 --> 02:09:07,255
these organizations do pieces

3954
02:09:07,255 --> 02:09:09,255
of this

3955
02:09:10,424 --> 02:09:12,424
.

3956
02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:15,620
We allocated the $100,000 to

3957
02:09:15,620 --> 02:09:17,620
get the study.

3958
02:09:20,134 --> 02:09:21,680
We hired to strategies and we

3959
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:23,971
were focused on okay, if we are

3960
02:09:23,971 --> 02:09:24,372
going to be in the space, which

3961
02:09:24,372 --> 02:09:25,600
we focus on.

3962
02:09:25,600 --> 02:09:25,506
We didn't want to duplicate

3963
02:09:25,506 --> 02:09:27,506
services.

3964
02:09:30,244 --> 02:09:30,811
We knew we were not

3965
02:09:30,811 --> 02:09:31,746
going to have a lot of

3966
02:09:31,746 --> 02:09:35,346
resources that were going to be

3967
02:09:35,650 --> 02:09:36,484
available for this so one of

3968
02:09:36,484 --> 02:09:37,218
the areas in prince william

3969
02:09:37,218 --> 02:09:40,818
county we could carve out and

3970
02:09:41,388 --> 02:09:42,230
do effectively and optimize

3971
02:09:42,230 --> 02:09:44,423
whatever resources we are

3972
02:09:54,268 --> 02:09:54,936
provided.

3973
02:09:54,936 --> 02:09:55,736
So the scope of work was

3974
02:09:55,736 --> 02:09:56,337
looking at those strong

3975
02:09:56,337 --> 02:09:57,271
partnerships and key

3976
02:09:57,271 --> 02:09:58,439
stakeholders and also did an

3977
02:09:58,439 --> 02:09:59,373
extensive demographic analysis

3978
02:09:59,373 --> 02:10:00,274
really looking at our labor

3979
02:10:00,274 --> 02:10:00,508
force, our skills, what's in

3980
02:10:00,508 --> 02:10:02,508
demand.

3981
02:10:03,711 --> 02:10:04,445
what is oversupplied.

3982
02:10:04,445 --> 02:10:08,450
And it looked at are barriers

3983
02:10:08,315 --> 02:10:08,950
that affect our employment and

3984
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:10,950
career advancement.

3985
02:10:12,119 --> 02:10:15,119
And then most importantly, it

3986
02:10:17,290 --> 02:10:18,292
made strategic recommendations

3987
02:10:18,292 --> 02:10:18,926
and how we could implement a

3988
02:10:18,926 --> 02:10:19,559
workforce program here in

3989
02:10:19,559 --> 02:10:21,559
prince william county.

3990
02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:28,102
And so with that I'm excited to

3991
02:10:28,102 --> 02:10:29,103
introduce tom, he is the ceo

3992
02:10:29,103 --> 02:10:32,103
and cofounder of tip strategies

3993
02:10:36,611 --> 02:10:37,311
and he has joined with erica

3994
02:10:37,311 --> 02:10:38,179
colston today and then called

3995
02:10:38,179 --> 02:10:39,113
clarice grove, you all know her

3996
02:10:39,113 --> 02:10:39,947
better than a business

3997
02:10:39,947 --> 02:10:40,615
development manager.

3998
02:10:40,615 --> 02:10:40,848
She has been managing this

3999
02:10:40,848 --> 02:10:42,848
project.

4000
02:10:44,285 --> 02:10:44,985
And so with that, take it away.

4001
02:10:44,985 --> 02:10:49,185
And you can raise this up if

4002
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:50,625
you need to.

4003
02:10:50,625 --> 02:10:51,926
>> thank you very much

4004
02:10:51,926 --> 02:10:53,926
everyone.

4005
02:10:56,196 --> 02:10:57,640
As christina mentioned, I'm tom

4006
02:10:57,640 --> 02:11:01,264
and we as a firm are in

4007
02:11:02,770 --> 02:11:03,871
economic development and

4008
02:11:03,871 --> 02:11:04,138
workforce development strategy

4009
02:11:04,138 --> 02:11:04,839
firm

4010
02:11:04,839 --> 02:11:06,400
fortunate to have been in

4011
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:06,707
business for 30 years.

4012
02:11:06,707 --> 02:11:10,907
And we do work all over the

4013
02:11:11,479 --> 02:11:12,130
country and I happened to be

4014
02:11:12,130 --> 02:11:14,413
based in austin texas.

4015
02:11:14,682 --> 02:11:16,183
Erica who is with me, of the

4016
02:11:16,183 --> 02:11:17,985
principal on the project and

4017
02:11:17,985 --> 02:11:20,985
erica was our lead consultant

4018
02:11:22,857 --> 02:11:23,558
and project manager.

4019
02:11:23,558 --> 02:11:27,758
And she is in route moving from

4020
02:11:35,570 --> 02:11:36,204
texas to chicago at the moment.

4021
02:11:36,204 --> 02:11:38,390
I want to say thank you to

4022
02:11:38,390 --> 02:11:41,390
christina and alyssa who is

4023
02:11:41,909 --> 02:11:42,510
kind of the research group in

4024
02:11:42,510 --> 02:11:45,510
that department who are all

4025
02:11:46,814 --> 02:11:47,582
very helpful.

4026
02:11:47,582 --> 02:11:48,582
We are going to present kind of

4027
02:11:48,582 --> 02:11:50,582
an overview today

4028
02:11:51,819 --> 02:11:52,820
.

4029
02:11:52,820 --> 02:11:54,255
Just know that there is a full

4030
02:11:54,255 --> 02:11:55,790
report and document in a couple

4031
02:11:55,790 --> 02:11:57,790
datasets

4032
02:11:58,326 --> 02:12:00,326
, dashboards if you

4033
02:12:01,762 --> 02:12:01,996
guys would like access

4034
02:12:01,996 --> 02:12:03,598
, I will

4035
02:12:03,598 --> 02:12:06,598
give it to you guys.

4036
02:12:24,952 --> 02:12:26,952
All right.

4037
02:12:31,559 --> 02:12:32,360
Just a reminder, the actual

4038
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:33,361
goal is to analyze the

4039
02:12:33,361 --> 02:12:33,628
workforce development

4040
02:12:33,628 --> 02:12:34,929
landscape.

4041
02:12:34,929 --> 02:12:37,265
Who is doing what within the

4042
02:12:37,265 --> 02:12:40,265
county and identify where the

4043
02:12:48,576 --> 02:12:49,310
opportunities.

4044
02:12:49,310 --> 02:12:50,244
And as christina pointed out,

4045
02:12:50,244 --> 02:12:51,112
the ultimate goal is to give a

4046
02:12:51,112 --> 02:12:52,790
game plan, sort of a roadmap

4047
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:55,790
for the program within economic

4048
02:12:55,850 --> 02:12:56,851
development and tourism.

4049
02:12:56,851 --> 02:12:59,851
I will say beforehand into

4050
02:13:01,722 --> 02:13:02,290
erica, it is important to be

4051
02:13:02,290 --> 02:13:04,290
reminded the workforce

4052
02:13:06,794 --> 02:13:07,610
ecosystem includes a number of

4053
02:13:07,610 --> 02:13:07,828
parts.

4054
02:13:07,828 --> 02:13:12,280
In many of them, and the county

4055
02:13:12,133 --> 02:13:12,867
has great influence over.

4056
02:13:12,867 --> 02:13:17,670
You can see up there is the

4057
02:13:17,237 --> 02:13:18,390
orange where that department

4058
02:13:18,390 --> 02:13:20,675
and this program will live.

4059
02:13:20,675 --> 02:13:24,875
But employers are a big part of

4060
02:13:30,718 --> 02:13:31,451
it.

4061
02:13:31,451 --> 02:13:32,320
Obviously the residents of

4062
02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:33,221
prince william county are a big

4063
02:13:33,221 --> 02:13:33,721
part of it and there are

4064
02:13:33,721 --> 02:13:34,388
multiple agencies.

4065
02:13:34,388 --> 02:13:35,323
Virginia career work that

4066
02:13:35,323 --> 02:13:35,890
others in the business of doing

4067
02:13:35,890 --> 02:13:37,890
workforce training.

4068
02:13:37,892 --> 02:13:40,761
And there are a number of what

4069
02:13:40,761 --> 02:13:40,861
we call wraparound services

4070
02:13:40,861 --> 02:13:41,562
.

4071
02:13:41,562 --> 02:13:44,131
People have to act fast off

4072
02:13:44,131 --> 02:13:46,531
access to transportation, there

4073
02:13:49,637 --> 02:13:50,404
has to be affordable housing.

4074
02:13:50,404 --> 02:13:51,839
S a number of things he have

4075
02:13:51,839 --> 02:13:52,772
a great influence over the

4076
02:13:52,772 --> 02:13:54,772
economic development and

4077
02:14:00,514 --> 02:14:01,449
tourism department and there is

4078
02:14:01,449 --> 02:14:02,183
obviously the university and

4079
02:14:02,183 --> 02:14:03,170
northern virginia community

4080
02:14:03,170 --> 02:14:03,551
college providing direct

4081
02:14:03,551 --> 02:14:04,852
education services.

4082
02:14:04,852 --> 02:14:09,520
So just a reminder of where all

4083
02:14:12,660 --> 02:14:13,527
of this lives ultimately the

4084
02:14:13,527 --> 02:14:14,395
goal here is to really hone in

4085
02:14:14,395 --> 02:14:16,898
on what is the roll of the

4086
02:14:16,898 --> 02:14:17,598
county.

4087
02:14:17,598 --> 02:14:18,533
And specifically what is the

4088
02:14:18,533 --> 02:14:19,967
roll for this program within

4089
02:14:19,967 --> 02:14:20,635
economic development.

4090
02:14:20,635 --> 02:14:24,835
With that I'm going to hand it

4091
02:14:27,408 --> 02:14:27,742
to erica

4092
02:14:27,742 --> 02:14:28,409
.

4093
02:14:28,409 --> 02:14:29,377
Just push this button here.

4094
02:14:29,377 --> 02:14:30,278
>> thank you tom and thank you

4095
02:14:30,278 --> 02:14:31,212
to the board for having us here

4096
02:14:31,212 --> 02:14:32,179
today and giving us the

4097
02:14:32,179 --> 02:14:32,813
opportunity to present on the

4098
02:14:32,813 --> 02:14:35,213
results of the study.

4099
02:14:38,786 --> 02:14:39,754
On task we wanted to highlight

4100
02:14:39,754 --> 02:14:40,221
without review of the county

4101
02:14:40,221 --> 02:14:42,221
strategic plan.

4102
02:14:45,590 --> 02:14:46,327
When we mentioned earlier not

4103
02:14:46,327 --> 02:14:47,280
been duplicative of existing

4104
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:47,828
recommendations and in terms of

4105
02:14:47,828 --> 02:14:49,960
current work ongoing in the

4106
02:14:49,960 --> 02:14:50,970
workforce ecosystem.

4107
02:14:50,970 --> 02:14:54,297
We found as we went through the

4108
02:14:54,535 --> 02:14:55,436
strategic plan for the county

4109
02:14:55,436 --> 02:14:56,270
that there are three different

4110
02:14:56,270 --> 02:14:57,338
goals areas the related

4111
02:14:57,338 --> 02:14:58,139
specifically to the work in the

4112
02:14:58,139 --> 02:14:59,730
department economic development

4113
02:14:59,730 --> 02:15:01,730
and tourism.

4114
02:15:04,345 --> 02:15:05,346
There are more objectives but

4115
02:15:05,346 --> 02:15:08,150
we only highlighted the ones

4116
02:15:08,150 --> 02:15:11,150
directly relevant in some form

4117
02:15:12,119 --> 02:15:12,653
or fashion.

4118
02:15:12,653 --> 02:15:13,654
Those three goals are

4119
02:15:13,654 --> 02:15:16,654
education, quality of life, and

4120
02:15:17,657 --> 02:15:18,226
smart growth.

4121
02:15:18,226 --> 02:15:18,859
What we have done is

4122
02:15:18,859 --> 02:15:21,620
highlighted the small right

4123
02:15:21,620 --> 02:15:21,696
column differentiating between

4124
02:15:21,696 --> 02:15:24,960
where the workforce program

4125
02:15:24,665 --> 02:15:25,299
offers a contributing roll

4126
02:15:25,299 --> 02:15:28,169
meaning they are part of

4127
02:15:28,169 --> 02:15:29,170
day-to-day implementation.

4128
02:15:29,170 --> 02:15:32,170
They are not necessarily the

4129
02:15:36,777 --> 02:15:37,845
only actor or entity advancing

4130
02:15:37,845 --> 02:15:39,113
but they should be considered a

4131
02:15:39,113 --> 02:15:39,680
key contributor in terms of

4132
02:15:39,680 --> 02:15:40,113
implementation for new

4133
02:15:40,113 --> 02:15:40,615
strategic plan.

4134
02:15:40,615 --> 02:15:41,615
He plus side

4135
02:15:41,615 --> 02:15:42,683
syndicating a supportive role.

4136
02:15:42,683 --> 02:15:43,417
The workforce program might be

4137
02:15:43,417 --> 02:15:45,186
called upon to support their

4138
02:15:45,186 --> 02:15:48,186
but isn't necessarily part of

4139
02:15:50,258 --> 02:15:51,259
the day-to-day responsibility

4140
02:15:51,259 --> 02:15:52,894
to mention technical reviews,

4141
02:15:52,894 --> 02:15:55,294
an example of documents

4142
02:15:55,663 --> 02:15:56,664
reviewed.

4143
02:15:56,664 --> 02:15:58,320
We also reviewed the previous

4144
02:15:58,320 --> 02:16:00,320
workforce development program

4145
02:16:02,970 --> 02:16:03,104
called elevate

4146
02:16:03,104 --> 02:16:03,804
.

4147
02:16:03,804 --> 02:16:04,739
That generated a lot momentum

4148
02:16:04,739 --> 02:16:06,774
coming out of cobit in terms of

4149
02:16:06,774 --> 02:16:09,174
leveraging arpa dollars to

4150
02:16:12,413 --> 02:16:13,800
implement a workforce program.

4151
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:13,581
I will talk about how that

4152
02:16:13,581 --> 02:16:14,514
relates to the work.

4153
02:16:14,514 --> 02:16:15,416
We reviewed plans from your

4154
02:16:15,416 --> 02:16:16,417
partners in the workforce

4155
02:16:16,417 --> 02:16:17,552
ecosystem we conducted

4156
02:16:17,552 --> 02:16:20,552
interviews and focus groups we

4157
02:16:22,890 --> 02:16:23,157
conducted a conference of data

4158
02:16:23,157 --> 02:16:24,250
analysis.

4159
02:16:24,250 --> 02:16:27,250
Tom mentioned we provided data

4160
02:16:30,364 --> 02:16:31,320
tools to the staff.

4161
02:16:31,320 --> 02:16:31,933
Those particular tools are

4162
02:16:31,933 --> 02:16:34,933
workforce them analysis of the

4163
02:16:35,835 --> 02:16:36,603
demand and supply landscape.

4164
02:16:36,603 --> 02:16:37,305
As well as a job quality access

4165
02:16:37,305 --> 02:16:38,471
to a. You can dig into

4166
02:16:38,471 --> 02:16:40,871
different occupations and see

4167
02:16:45,913 --> 02:16:46,581
the relative quality and access

4168
02:16:46,581 --> 02:16:47,415
of the jobs across to couple

4169
02:16:47,415 --> 02:16:48,115
different factors with the

4170
02:16:48,115 --> 02:16:48,949
staff has access to those so we

4171
02:16:48,949 --> 02:16:49,417
can be sure to get access to

4172
02:16:49,417 --> 02:16:50,885
those later on.

4173
02:16:50,885 --> 02:16:53,588
Those three tasks built into

4174
02:16:53,588 --> 02:16:54,222
the strategic direction of the

4175
02:16:54,222 --> 02:16:56,524
study results and I wanted to

4176
02:16:56,524 --> 02:16:57,858
highlight there are two sets of

4177
02:16:57,858 --> 02:17:00,258
recommendations that came out

4178
02:17:02,530 --> 02:17:03,464
of the study that differ in

4179
02:17:03,464 --> 02:17:04,310
terms of the responsibilities

4180
02:17:04,310 --> 02:17:04,699
employers involved.

4181
02:17:04,699 --> 02:17:06,699
i did want

4182
02:17:07,335 --> 02:17:08,336
to highlight findings before we

4183
02:17:08,336 --> 02:17:10,736
get into the recommendations

4184
02:17:15,309 --> 02:17:16,310
about what were the key results

4185
02:17:16,310 --> 02:17:17,278
thus far assist in engagement

4186
02:17:17,278 --> 02:17:20,878
as well as the data analysis.

4187
02:17:21,816 --> 02:17:22,483
In terms of what we learned the

4188
02:17:22,483 --> 02:17:23,384
different focus groups we

4189
02:17:23,384 --> 02:17:24,318
conducted across the study who

4190
02:17:24,318 --> 02:17:25,190
was involved, who we talk 2 to

4191
02:17:25,190 --> 02:17:26,888
make sure we were accounting

4192
02:17:26,888 --> 02:17:29,288
for the overall landscape.

4193
02:17:29,690 --> 02:17:30,358
Funding 1a talk to stakeholders

4194
02:17:30,358 --> 02:17:33,958
quickly spoke a lot about the

4195
02:17:34,595 --> 02:17:35,596
previous workforce development

4196
02:17:35,596 --> 02:17:36,597
program and how there were gaps

4197
02:17:36,597 --> 02:17:37,231
left behind in terms of the

4198
02:17:37,231 --> 02:17:37,465
relationships and efforts

4199
02:17:37,465 --> 02:17:37,532
ongoing

4200
02:17:37,532 --> 02:17:39,532
.

4201
02:17:39,767 --> 02:17:40,434
In terms of momentum fell off

4202
02:17:40,434 --> 02:17:42,603
in terms of the existing

4203
02:17:42,603 --> 02:17:42,703
program

4204
02:17:42,703 --> 02:17:43,671
.

4205
02:17:43,671 --> 02:17:46,671
In terms of where these

4206
02:17:48,750 --> 02:17:48,775
specific lane is the economic

4207
02:17:48,775 --> 02:17:50,775
development department.

4208
02:17:53,381 --> 02:17:54,248
They help clarify where they

4209
02:17:54,248 --> 02:17:56,648
saw the particular value.

4210
02:18:01,289 --> 02:18:02,560
The second take away is how

4211
02:18:02,560 --> 02:18:03,291
having access to the resources

4212
02:18:03,291 --> 02:18:05,691
from the economic development

4213
02:18:10,798 --> 02:18:11,699
perspective will help in terms

4214
02:18:11,699 --> 02:18:12,633
of retention but help the

4215
02:18:12,633 --> 02:18:13,334
educators understand what is

4216
02:18:13,334 --> 02:18:14,268
coming down the pipeline to

4217
02:18:14,268 --> 02:18:15,203
prepare for in terms of program

4218
02:18:15,203 --> 02:18:15,469
expansion in terms of where the

4219
02:18:15,469 --> 02:18:16,938
demand is.

4220
02:18:16,938 --> 02:18:17,872
In engaging with employers in

4221
02:18:17,872 --> 02:18:21,472
terms of what the program would

4222
02:18:23,177 --> 02:18:24,178
do employers of what existing

4223
02:18:24,178 --> 02:18:27,178
resources are in the community.

4224
02:18:28,649 --> 02:18:29,884
Maybe there is not a need for

4225
02:18:29,884 --> 02:18:30,451
new program, maybe there is a

4226
02:18:30,451 --> 02:18:33,451
need to promote an existing

4227
02:18:37,525 --> 02:18:38,192
program.

4228
02:18:38,192 --> 02:18:38,693
And vice versa in terms of

4229
02:18:38,693 --> 02:18:39,292
supporting educators.

4230
02:18:39,292 --> 02:18:39,727
Make each of the of

4231
02:18:39,727 --> 02:18:40,728
connections

4232
02:18:40,728 --> 02:18:41,662
to employers as they are denies

4233
02:18:41,662 --> 02:18:42,630
that designing programs to make

4234
02:18:42,630 --> 02:18:43,531
sure the end result is a mind.

4235
02:18:43,531 --> 02:18:43,931
The last takeaway when we

4236
02:18:43,931 --> 02:18:44,198
talked education

4237
02:18:44,198 --> 02:18:46,198
training

4238
02:18:50,705 --> 02:18:51,372
providers, the highlight of

4239
02:18:51,372 --> 02:18:52,173
the trend toward short-term

4240
02:18:52,173 --> 02:18:52,807
training that hasn't really

4241
02:18:52,807 --> 02:18:54,442
been present in the area

4242
02:18:54,442 --> 02:18:54,608
previously

4243
02:18:54,608 --> 02:18:55,576
.

4244
02:18:55,576 --> 02:18:56,577
That is a new trend for prince

4245
02:18:56,577 --> 02:18:58,577
william county workforce

4246
02:18:59,947 --> 02:19:00,548
development ecosystem.

4247
02:19:00,548 --> 02:19:01,449
Historically it has been

4248
02:19:01,449 --> 02:19:03,117
focused on higher education,

4249
02:19:03,117 --> 02:19:06,200
four year degrees that have a

4250
02:19:06,200 --> 02:19:06,953
education level.

4251
02:19:06,953 --> 02:19:07,488
In the short term there has

4252
02:19:07,488 --> 02:19:10,892
been a focus in terms of

4253
02:19:10,892 --> 02:19:11,525
certificates

4254
02:19:11,525 --> 02:19:12,192
, short-term job

4255
02:19:12,192 --> 02:19:13,270
training and so on and that

4256
02:19:13,270 --> 02:19:15,529
would help increase access to

4257
02:19:15,529 --> 02:19:15,663
jobs

4258
02:19:15,663 --> 02:19:16,631
.

4259
02:19:16,631 --> 02:19:17,632
I want to highlight

4260
02:19:17,632 --> 02:19:19,330
quantitative data points that

4261
02:19:19,330 --> 02:19:22,330
help validate things we heard

4262
02:19:25,339 --> 02:19:26,340
from stakeholders for any are

4263
02:19:26,340 --> 02:19:26,774
probably familiar with this as

4264
02:19:26,774 --> 02:19:27,508
a community.

4265
02:19:27,508 --> 02:19:31,108
That's the first thing we saw.

4266
02:19:33,714 --> 02:19:34,615
That is definitely still

4267
02:19:34,615 --> 02:19:35,783
present in terms of how the

4268
02:19:35,783 --> 02:19:36,751
workforce development ecosystem

4269
02:19:36,751 --> 02:19:37,351
operates in terms of accessing

4270
02:19:37,351 --> 02:19:37,418
jobs

4271
02:19:37,418 --> 02:19:39,530
.

4272
02:19:39,530 --> 02:19:42,530
In terms of local employment

4273
02:19:43,256 --> 02:19:43,491
growth you are outpacing the

4274
02:19:43,491 --> 02:19:44,292
region.

4275
02:19:44,292 --> 02:19:47,292
We take the long-term view.

4276
02:19:51,566 --> 02:19:51,732
We looked at the last 15 years

4277
02:19:51,732 --> 02:19:52,700
.

4278
02:19:52,700 --> 02:19:53,367
You all have grown 36 percent.

4279
02:19:53,367 --> 02:19:54,368
The next closest benchmark

4280
02:19:54,368 --> 02:19:57,368
would be the overall northern

4281
02:20:01,776 --> 02:20:02,777
virginia.

4282
02:20:02,777 --> 02:20:03,778
Just to let you know, you are

4283
02:20:03,778 --> 02:20:04,779
growing in that regard parker

4284
02:20:04,779 --> 02:20:05,479
mentioned new programs or

4285
02:20:05,479 --> 02:20:06,280
technical skills, short-term

4286
02:20:06,280 --> 02:20:07,281
training we did see evidence

4287
02:20:07,281 --> 02:20:10,685
for demand fugue we looked at a

4288
02:20:10,685 --> 02:20:11,385
two-year sample of job postings

4289
02:20:11,385 --> 02:20:14,985
for the area we noticed half

4290
02:20:19,660 --> 02:20:20,328
the job postings required

4291
02:20:20,328 --> 02:20:20,895
education below the bachelors

4292
02:20:20,895 --> 02:20:21,662
degree level.

4293
02:20:21,662 --> 02:20:22,230
Mention the mismatch between

4294
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:22,864
demand and supply.

4295
02:20:22,864 --> 02:20:23,630
That's an area of opportunity

4296
02:20:23,630 --> 02:20:24,298
we saw

4297
02:20:24,298 --> 02:20:26,801
, which I will talk about

4298
02:20:26,801 --> 02:20:28,801
in a second.

4299
02:20:28,870 --> 02:20:29,837
That demand is actually present

4300
02:20:29,837 --> 02:20:32,237
across to couple different

4301
02:20:32,840 --> 02:20:34,575
industries wanted to highlight

4302
02:20:34,575 --> 02:20:35,643
healthcare, skilled trades, and

4303
02:20:35,643 --> 02:20:38,430
manufacturing jobs as well

4304
02:20:39,480 --> 02:20:43,800
present in terms of the growth

4305
02:20:43,451 --> 02:20:43,951
of the industry.

4306
02:20:43,951 --> 02:20:45,951
Getting into the

4307
02:20:46,200 --> 02:20:48,420
recommendations for the study,

4308
02:20:49,557 --> 02:20:52,557
when alignment piece we brought

4309
02:20:52,727 --> 02:20:55,727
together some principles of the

4310
02:20:58,999 --> 02:20:59,901
success we have seen in other

4311
02:20:59,901 --> 02:21:00,500
communities these were informed

4312
02:21:00,500 --> 02:21:01,335
by what we heard from

4313
02:21:01,335 --> 02:21:02,690
stakeholders as well.

4314
02:21:02,690 --> 02:21:03,838
What we wanted to make sure we

4315
02:21:03,838 --> 02:21:06,838
were solving for was sustaining

4316
02:21:09,176 --> 02:21:09,544
the job growth

4317
02:21:09,544 --> 02:21:10,478
, making sure

4318
02:21:10,478 --> 02:21:11,312
they continue to be economic

4319
02:21:11,312 --> 02:21:13,312
growth opportunities for

4320
02:21:14,649 --> 02:21:14,749
residents

4321
02:21:14,749 --> 02:21:15,383
.

4322
02:21:15,383 --> 02:21:16,830
Making sure the workforce

4323
02:21:16,830 --> 02:21:18,818
itself is as olympic we talked

4324
02:21:18,818 --> 02:21:19,620
about covid and responding

4325
02:21:19,620 --> 02:21:20,988
quickly picked that is

4326
02:21:20,988 --> 02:21:23,988
dependent on the networks that

4327
02:21:25,459 --> 02:21:25,593
exist

4328
02:21:25,593 --> 02:21:26,260
.

4329
02:21:26,260 --> 02:21:27,600
The third pieces data making

4330
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:28,996
sure we have access to

4331
02:21:28,996 --> 02:21:29,497
effective datasets for

4332
02:21:29,497 --> 02:21:31,497
decision-making.

4333
02:21:33,301 --> 02:21:34,302
Making sure you are a leader in

4334
02:21:34,302 --> 02:21:36,702
terms of representing prince

4335
02:21:40,841 --> 02:21:41,442
william county workforce needs

4336
02:21:41,442 --> 02:21:42,375
what are the needs of your

4337
02:21:42,375 --> 02:21:43,211
specific employers because you

4338
02:21:43,211 --> 02:21:43,811
are accounting for the

4339
02:21:43,811 --> 02:21:44,912
challenges and community

4340
02:21:44,912 --> 02:21:46,847
specifically versus the overall

4341
02:21:46,847 --> 02:21:47,140
region

4342
02:21:47,140 --> 02:21:47,949
.

4343
02:21:47,949 --> 02:21:48,950
Barrier reduction.

4344
02:21:48,950 --> 02:21:49,684
Addressing challenges that

4345
02:21:49,684 --> 02:21:50,952
jobseekers face when they are

4346
02:21:50,952 --> 02:21:51,485
looking for a job and they're

4347
02:21:51,485 --> 02:21:53,885
looking for job training.

4348
02:21:55,590 --> 02:21:56,324
Each individual is a different

4349
02:21:56,324 --> 02:21:57,910
point addressing that and then

4350
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:58,426
lost pieces ensuring the

4351
02:21:58,426 --> 02:21:59,600
overall talent pool is

4352
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:01,460
competitive to ensure your

4353
02:22:02,864 --> 02:22:04,864
economy is resilient.

4354
02:22:07,434 --> 02:22:08,369
This is the first step of

4355
02:22:08,369 --> 02:22:09,360
strategies and regulations

4356
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:09,871
designed to help move the

4357
02:22:09,871 --> 02:22:11,539
needle on the principles

4358
02:22:11,539 --> 02:22:13,107
themselves we talked about

4359
02:22:13,107 --> 02:22:14,909
earlier the overall ecosystem

4360
02:22:14,909 --> 02:22:15,576
the different players of all.

4361
02:22:15,576 --> 02:22:18,846
These are meant to be of the

4362
02:22:18,846 --> 02:22:19,513
delivered partnership and

4363
02:22:19,513 --> 02:22:21,480
collaboration with different

4364
02:22:21,480 --> 02:22:21,115
workforce development entities

4365
02:22:21,115 --> 02:22:23,115
.

4366
02:22:30,291 --> 02:22:31,325
In terms of wraparound services

4367
02:22:31,325 --> 02:22:31,893
and hr efforts, that's focused

4368
02:22:31,893 --> 02:22:32,793
on addressing barriers to

4369
02:22:32,793 --> 02:22:33,270
employment and improving job

4370
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:33,861
quality.

4371
02:22:33,861 --> 02:22:34,128
The second is upscaling and

4372
02:22:34,128 --> 02:22:34,962
rescaling.

4373
02:22:34,962 --> 02:22:35,229
In terms of helping incumbent

4374
02:22:35,229 --> 02:22:36,597
workers

4375
02:22:36,597 --> 02:22:38,597
.

4376
02:22:41,101 --> 02:22:44,500
Other advancing or maybe in

4377
02:22:44,500 --> 02:22:44,104
switch industry areas

4378
02:22:44,104 --> 02:22:44,805
.

4379
02:22:44,805 --> 02:22:46,805
Industry sector partnerships

4380
02:22:47,740 --> 02:22:48,900
are bringing together the

4381
02:22:48,900 --> 02:22:50,900
public, private, nonprofit

4382
02:22:55,950 --> 02:22:56,517
sectors in specific industries.

4383
02:22:56,517 --> 02:22:57,418
Picking an industry like

4384
02:22:57,418 --> 02:22:58,419
healthcare to focus on

4385
02:22:58,419 --> 02:22:59,860
improvements to different

4386
02:22:59,860 --> 02:22:59,620
certifications or programs.

4387
02:22:59,620 --> 02:23:00,221
Bringing new people into

4388
02:23:00,221 --> 02:23:02,623
careers the fourth one is

4389
02:23:02,623 --> 02:23:03,189
getting specific in terms of

4390
02:23:03,189 --> 02:23:05,189
supporting the service

4391
02:23:09,960 --> 02:23:09,597
providers the provide the

4392
02:23:09,597 --> 02:23:10,264
direct assistance.

4393
02:23:10,264 --> 02:23:10,831
There are existing entities

4394
02:23:10,831 --> 02:23:11,599
that do this.

4395
02:23:11,599 --> 02:23:12,300
Especially the workforce

4396
02:23:12,300 --> 02:23:14,300
development board.

4397
02:23:14,702 --> 02:23:15,703
Sometimes they have limitations

4398
02:23:15,703 --> 02:23:19,639
in terms of how they can deploy

4399
02:23:19,639 --> 02:23:20,441
their funding for making sure

4400
02:23:20,441 --> 02:23:22,841
you are retaining highly

4401
02:23:24,612 --> 02:23:25,346
skilled talent so that way you

4402
02:23:25,346 --> 02:23:26,247
have people who have the skill

4403
02:23:26,247 --> 02:23:27,248
set to continue to teach the

4404
02:23:27,248 --> 02:23:30,840
skill sets kind of having

4405
02:23:30,840 --> 02:23:32,486
people in the community who

4406
02:23:32,486 --> 02:23:35,486
have the skills needed for

4407
02:23:36,958 --> 02:23:37,658
retention standpoint.

4408
02:23:37,658 --> 02:23:39,600
The last piece, and this is the

4409
02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:39,794
last light we have got.

4410
02:23:39,794 --> 02:23:43,994
This is focused on in the short

4411
02:23:44,565 --> 02:23:45,199
term with the county workforce

4412
02:23:45,199 --> 02:23:46,133
development program should be

4413
02:23:46,133 --> 02:23:47,680
doing in the short term as they

4414
02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:49,468
higher than a position

4415
02:23:49,503 --> 02:23:50,504
.

4416
02:23:50,504 --> 02:23:54,104
In terms of what the primary

4417
02:23:56,777 --> 02:23:57,410
functions should be relating to

4418
02:23:57,410 --> 02:23:57,777
strategies laid out in the

4419
02:23:57,777 --> 02:23:58,946
ecosystem.

4420
02:23:58,946 --> 02:24:01,816
Use the same color so we are

4421
02:24:01,816 --> 02:24:02,483
parallel but these are more

4422
02:24:02,483 --> 02:24:04,986
short-term and more focused on

4423
02:24:04,986 --> 02:24:07,210
the current level of resource.

4424
02:24:07,210 --> 02:24:07,655
Ving workforce data expert

4425
02:24:07,655 --> 02:24:09,655
providing that through

4426
02:24:10,258 --> 02:24:12,258
publication and different

4427
02:24:12,593 --> 02:24:13,294
presentations in terms of

4428
02:24:13,294 --> 02:24:15,694
communicating with the demand

4429
02:24:20,902 --> 02:24:21,735
is in terms of marketing

4430
02:24:21,735 --> 02:24:22,403
resources to employers

4431
02:24:22,403 --> 02:24:23,738
partnering with chambers,

4432
02:24:23,738 --> 02:24:24,405
partner with different business

4433
02:24:24,405 --> 02:24:25,740
organizations actively

4434
02:24:25,740 --> 02:24:26,206
marketing in terms of convening

4435
02:24:26,206 --> 02:24:27,441
stakeholders.

4436
02:24:27,441 --> 02:24:29,841
Released a partnerships there

4437
02:24:30,278 --> 02:24:32,678
are existing convening the

4438
02:24:37,318 --> 02:24:40,318
position should be involved in

4439
02:24:43,560 --> 02:24:44,580
and then in terms of increasing

4440
02:24:44,580 --> 02:24:45,590
awareness partnering with

4441
02:24:45,590 --> 02:24:46,260
different entities to launch a

4442
02:24:46,260 --> 02:24:47,940
communication campaign in terms

4443
02:24:47,940 --> 02:24:48,696
of one of the jobs out there

4444
02:24:48,696 --> 02:24:49,130
that don't necessarily require

4445
02:24:49,130 --> 02:24:51,130
a bachelors degree.

4446
02:24:54,502 --> 02:24:55,303
When you might need additional

4447
02:24:55,303 --> 02:24:56,337
training for those are

4448
02:24:56,337 --> 02:24:56,604
opportunities for upscaling and

4449
02:24:56,604 --> 02:24:58,604
rescaling.

4450
02:24:59,540 --> 02:25:00,474
Lost pieces acknowledging the

4451
02:25:00,474 --> 02:25:02,474
tourism department.

4452
02:25:04,412 --> 02:25:05,111
Promoting the county is not

4453
02:25:05,111 --> 02:25:06,113
just a destination for tourism

4454
02:25:06,113 --> 02:25:07,114
but an ideal place to live and

4455
02:25:07,114 --> 02:25:08,820
work.

4456
02:25:08,820 --> 02:25:09,383
So incorporating workforce

4457
02:25:09,383 --> 02:25:11,383
development assets like

4458
02:25:12,787 --> 02:25:13,621
innovation district into the

4459
02:25:13,621 --> 02:25:16,621
reason you should stay here

4460
02:25:25,132 --> 02:25:25,699
after visiting.

4461
02:25:25,699 --> 02:25:26,133
That is in terms of our

4462
02:25:26,133 --> 02:25:26,801
presentation.

4463
02:25:26,801 --> 02:25:27,735
This is an overview and so in

4464
02:25:27,735 --> 02:25:28,702
terms of review in this study

4465
02:25:28,702 --> 02:25:29,637
we highly encourage you to get

4466
02:25:29,637 --> 02:25:30,304
in touch with the team on that.

4467
02:25:30,304 --> 02:25:31,639
Otherwise that is it for a

4468
02:25:31,639 --> 02:25:33,639
formal presentation.

4469
02:25:37,211 --> 02:25:37,511
You are here for questions

4470
02:25:37,511 --> 02:25:38,512
.

4471
02:25:38,512 --> 02:25:39,247
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

4472
02:25:39,247 --> 02:25:39,981
supervisor boddye?

4473
02:25:39,981 --> 02:25:40,982
P2 thank you MADAM Chair.

4474
02:25:40,982 --> 02:25:41,515
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

4475
02:25:41,515 --> 02:25:42,383
do you have more?

4476
02:25:42,383 --> 02:25:44,383
I apologize

4477
02:25:45,453 --> 02:25:47,453
.

4478
02:25:48,823 --> 02:25:51,823
>> real quick I wanted erica

4479
02:25:53,270 --> 02:25:53,527
had outlined the four core

4480
02:25:53,527 --> 02:25:55,527
functions they were

4481
02:25:57,864 --> 02:25:58,533
recommending.

4482
02:25:58,533 --> 02:26:00,201
The first to we are doing the

4483
02:26:00,201 --> 02:26:00,334
existing

4484
02:26:00,334 --> 02:26:02,334
.

4485
02:26:03,604 --> 02:26:04,505
We are going to continue to be

4486
02:26:04,505 --> 02:26:07,505
ramping those up in performing

4487
02:26:08,242 --> 02:26:09,243
those better.

4488
02:26:09,243 --> 02:26:12,246
And just like we did with the

4489
02:26:12,246 --> 02:26:13,147
various for success the small

4490
02:26:13,147 --> 02:26:16,747
business we are going to start

4491
02:26:20,870 --> 02:26:21,540
to work on implementing these

4492
02:26:21,540 --> 02:26:21,956
other opportunities but they

4493
02:26:21,956 --> 02:26:22,623
are in the long-term and they

4494
02:26:22,623 --> 02:26:24,292
MAY require future resources

4495
02:26:24,292 --> 02:26:26,292
.

4496
02:26:27,895 --> 02:26:28,563
The other pieces I'm excited to

4497
02:26:28,563 --> 02:26:30,963
announce michelle is coming

4498
02:26:32,400 --> 02:26:33,100
back as our workforce

4499
02:26:33,100 --> 02:26:34,350
development manager so she will

4500
02:26:34,350 --> 02:26:35,570
be our first official resource

4501
02:26:35,570 --> 02:26:37,570
management area.

4502
02:26:38,638 --> 02:26:42,238
And she will be leading the

4503
02:26:42,810 --> 02:26:44,780
effort looking at helping to

4504
02:26:44,780 --> 02:26:47,780
bring back, elevate, and look

4505
02:26:49,650 --> 02:26:50,518
at how we can and resources as

4506
02:26:50,518 --> 02:26:54,118
well as putting back job fairs

4507
02:26:56,524 --> 02:26:57,692
and career fairs and connecting

4508
02:26:57,692 --> 02:26:59,393
the whole entire workforce

4509
02:26:59,393 --> 02:26:59,593
.

4510
02:26:59,593 --> 02:27:01,593
Okay.

4511
02:27:02,290 --> 02:27:02,730
There.

4512
02:27:02,730 --> 02:27:06,930
That is what I get for talking

4513
02:27:08,269 --> 02:27:09,300
with my hands anyways, we are

4514
02:27:09,300 --> 02:27:10,271
looking forward to implementing

4515
02:27:10,271 --> 02:27:12,907
that and with that we will take

4516
02:27:12,907 --> 02:27:13,875
questions.

4517
02:27:13,875 --> 02:27:14,141
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

4518
02:27:14,141 --> 02:27:16,141
thank you.

4519
02:27:16,911 --> 02:27:17,445
Does anyone -- re:.

4520
02:27:17,445 --> 02:27:18,412
Supervisor boddye?

4521
02:27:18,412 --> 02:27:20,812
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you

4522
02:27:25,553 --> 02:27:26,554
.

4523
02:27:26,554 --> 02:27:27,221
Thank you tom, thank you erica.

4524
02:27:27,221 --> 02:27:28,550
Appreciate the work that you

4525
02:27:28,550 --> 02:27:31,655
have all done on this and

4526
02:27:34,262 --> 02:27:34,829
appreciate you just added that

4527
02:27:34,829 --> 02:27:35,663
you got michelle back from

4528
02:27:35,663 --> 02:27:35,862
where she was in richmond,

4529
02:27:35,862 --> 02:27:36,964
right?

4530
02:27:36,964 --> 02:27:37,398
Thank you for approaching her

4531
02:27:37,398 --> 02:27:37,598
back from richmond.

4532
02:27:37,598 --> 02:27:37,932
Hank you

4533
02:27:37,932 --> 02:27:39,932
for the work.

4534
02:27:40,401 --> 02:27:41,602
I had a couple questions

4535
02:27:41,602 --> 02:27:42,370
.

4536
02:27:42,370 --> 02:27:42,670
You had a timeline here and

4537
02:27:42,670 --> 02:27:43,204
near

4538
02:27:43,204 --> 02:27:45,540
the beginning of the

4539
02:27:45,540 --> 02:27:46,507
presentation.

4540
02:27:46,507 --> 02:27:46,941
The actual study, list the

4541
02:27:46,941 --> 02:27:48,941
time.

4542
02:27:52,947 --> 02:27:53,648
The study took place?

4543
02:27:53,648 --> 02:27:56,648
>> we procured it in 2024 but

4544
02:27:57,551 --> 02:27:58,286
that takes a what all.

4545
02:27:58,286 --> 02:27:59,153
We are just finishing it.

4546
02:27:59,153 --> 02:28:02,753
It was almost a year long.

4547
02:28:02,857 --> 02:28:04,258
AUGUST 2025

4548
02:28:04,258 --> 02:28:05,425
.

4549
02:28:05,425 --> 02:28:05,726
>> Kenny Boddye: I appreciate

4550
02:28:05,726 --> 02:28:07,726
that.

4551
02:28:07,728 --> 02:28:08,729
Whether you are talking about

4552
02:28:08,729 --> 02:28:09,297
covid.

4553
02:28:09,297 --> 02:28:12,297
Covid, post covid with the

4554
02:28:12,532 --> 02:28:14,532
uncertainty happening

4555
02:28:17,300 --> 02:28:17,805
, each one

4556
02:28:17,805 --> 02:28:20,775
of those is a snapshot of

4557
02:28:20,775 --> 02:28:21,776
certain workforce trends that

4558
02:28:21,776 --> 02:28:22,376
can't be correlated to two or

4559
02:28:22,376 --> 02:28:24,245
three years before that.

4560
02:28:24,245 --> 02:28:27,845
The moment you took was the

4561
02:28:29,349 --> 02:28:29,984
best one because right now, we

4562
02:28:29,984 --> 02:28:32,787
talked about it as a county

4563
02:28:32,787 --> 02:28:33,721
becoming more fiscally and

4564
02:28:33,721 --> 02:28:35,721
financially resilient shocks

4565
02:28:37,240 --> 02:28:37,792
the federal level.

4566
02:28:37,792 --> 02:28:40,761
And lot of folks who came out

4567
02:28:40,761 --> 02:28:43,164
of the federal workforce after

4568
02:28:43,164 --> 02:28:43,364
rescaling up skill or lateral

4569
02:28:43,364 --> 02:28:45,364
skill.

4570
02:28:53,407 --> 02:28:54,375
I appreciate that.

4571
02:28:54,375 --> 02:28:54,909
My overall question is how much

4572
02:28:54,909 --> 02:28:55,576
if that is in the report

4573
02:28:55,576 --> 02:28:56,410
because as a county region so

4574
02:28:56,410 --> 02:28:57,430
dependent on the federal

4575
02:28:57,430 --> 02:28:58,450
government

4576
02:28:58,450 --> 02:28:58,679
, contractors, what

4577
02:28:58,679 --> 02:29:00,679
have you.

4578
02:29:01,349 --> 02:29:01,682
How does that plan to the

4579
02:29:01,682 --> 02:29:03,682
report?

4580
02:29:07,688 --> 02:29:10,910
>> I'm going to turn into erica

4581
02:29:10,910 --> 02:29:10,658
to answer that.

4582
02:29:10,658 --> 02:29:13,580
Erica touched on it.

4583
02:29:14,227 --> 02:29:15,630
After this meeting we will be

4584
02:29:15,630 --> 02:29:15,830
sending out the full report

4585
02:29:15,830 --> 02:29:17,830
, as

4586
02:29:22,203 --> 02:29:22,469
well as the link to the data

4587
02:29:22,469 --> 02:29:23,203
dashboard.

4588
02:29:23,203 --> 02:29:24,505
The way you were getting

4589
02:29:24,505 --> 02:29:26,905
excited about the residential

4590
02:29:31,646 --> 02:29:32,613
buildout analysis, this is the

4591
02:29:32,613 --> 02:29:33,447
same thing but it's about our

4592
02:29:33,447 --> 02:29:34,181
workforce and skills in

4593
02:29:34,181 --> 02:29:34,447
education and it is interesting

4594
02:29:34,447 --> 02:29:35,820
data.

4595
02:29:35,820 --> 02:29:38,486
And so I think that will be

4596
02:29:38,486 --> 02:29:40,621
helpful to continue to help us

4597
02:29:40,621 --> 02:29:42,289
monitor what's going on.

4598
02:29:42,289 --> 02:29:43,423
Do you want to respond to

4599
02:29:43,423 --> 02:29:45,423
addressing the federal

4600
02:29:50,163 --> 02:29:50,932
?

4601
02:29:50,932 --> 02:29:54,532
>> in terms of where we looked

4602
02:29:54,569 --> 02:29:55,870
at, haven't quite hit

4603
02:29:55,870 --> 02:29:56,637
.

4604
02:29:56,637 --> 02:29:57,205
I recall when we talk to

4605
02:29:57,205 --> 02:29:59,605
phyllis with the social

4606
02:30:04,645 --> 02:30:05,279
services department, she

4607
02:30:05,279 --> 02:30:06,113
mentioned expecting to see a

4608
02:30:06,113 --> 02:30:06,814
bump in terms of accessing

4609
02:30:06,814 --> 02:30:09,183
social services related to

4610
02:30:09,183 --> 02:30:09,784
folks either transitioning out

4611
02:30:09,784 --> 02:30:10,170
of federal jobs in terms of

4612
02:30:10,170 --> 02:30:11,619
people

4613
02:30:11,619 --> 02:30:12,119
looking for different

4614
02:30:12,119 --> 02:30:12,553
opportunities.

4615
02:30:12,553 --> 02:30:13,254
That was something

4616
02:30:13,254 --> 02:30:13,554
we heard

4617
02:30:13,554 --> 02:30:14,488
throughout.

4618
02:30:14,488 --> 02:30:17,900
In terms of the timeline on the

4619
02:30:17,900 --> 02:30:20,194
data itself, I don't know that

4620
02:30:20,194 --> 02:30:21,280
we saw it in the dataset but

4621
02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:23,428
there is original dashboard

4622
02:30:24,866 --> 02:30:25,733
tracking the area in terms of

4623
02:30:25,733 --> 02:30:26,234
how the job of an impact in the

4624
02:30:26,234 --> 02:30:27,340
area

4625
02:30:27,340 --> 02:30:28,200
.

4626
02:30:28,200 --> 02:30:31,602
In terms of the regulation of

4627
02:30:35,142 --> 02:30:35,710
the study, we were looking at

4628
02:30:35,710 --> 02:30:35,810
different partners.

4629
02:30:35,810 --> 02:30:36,878
He

4630
02:30:36,878 --> 02:30:37,644
regional development

4631
02:30:37,644 --> 02:30:38,813
partnership has worked on an

4632
02:30:38,813 --> 02:30:39,280
initiative with the virginia

4633
02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:41,280
community college.

4634
02:30:52,193 --> 02:30:53,160
Is terms of rescaling federal

4635
02:30:53,160 --> 02:30:53,494
workers in picking a different

4636
02:30:53,494 --> 02:30:54,428
notifications.

4637
02:30:54,428 --> 02:30:55,363
One of the key challenges as

4638
02:30:55,363 --> 02:30:56,297
they are a niche specialized

4639
02:30:56,297 --> 02:30:57,265
school sets of people coming

4640
02:30:57,265 --> 02:30:58,990
out of the workforce have there

4641
02:30:58,990 --> 02:30:58,866
can be challenges without.

4642
02:30:58,866 --> 02:30:59,867
Hat is one of the areas going

4643
02:30:59,867 --> 02:31:00,568
to mention career development

4644
02:31:00,568 --> 02:31:00,768
and navigation services

4645
02:31:00,768 --> 02:31:01,636
and

4646
02:31:01,636 --> 02:31:02,670
ecosystem that is very much

4647
02:31:02,670 --> 02:31:03,671
where we have a recommendation

4648
02:31:03,671 --> 02:31:04,380
about pursuing collaborative

4649
02:31:04,380 --> 02:31:04,805
opportunities.

4650
02:31:04,805 --> 02:31:06,173
>> Kenny Boddye: my last one on

4651
02:31:06,173 --> 02:31:08,573
that note appreciate the

4652
02:31:16,951 --> 02:31:17,718
perfect segue.

4653
02:31:17,718 --> 02:31:18,785
How involved was your work

4654
02:31:18,785 --> 02:31:19,453
engaging with the school system

4655
02:31:19,453 --> 02:31:20,354
did they play a roll on this?

4656
02:31:20,354 --> 02:31:21,122
Spoke with doctor career and

4657
02:31:21,122 --> 02:31:21,722
technical education they were

4658
02:31:21,722 --> 02:31:22,557
included in our focus group

4659
02:31:22,557 --> 02:31:23,457
study as well.

4660
02:31:23,457 --> 02:31:23,724
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

4661
02:31:23,724 --> 02:31:25,724
all right.

4662
02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:29,760
I don't have anyone else so

4663
02:31:36,504 --> 02:31:37,504
thank you very much for that.

4664
02:31:37,504 --> 02:31:40,504
>> MR. Shorter: thank you for

4665
02:31:42,944 --> 02:31:43,578
christina, to you and the team

4666
02:31:43,578 --> 02:31:45,580
to tip strategies, thank you

4667
02:31:45,580 --> 02:31:47,580
very much.

4668
02:31:52,220 --> 02:31:53,154
We will now hear from matt to

4669
02:31:53,154 --> 02:31:53,821
talk us through the longer-term

4670
02:31:53,821 --> 02:31:55,690
expansion of the judicial

4671
02:31:55,690 --> 02:31:58,693
center and the work that the

4672
02:31:58,693 --> 02:32:02,893
team has been doing to plan for

4673
02:32:23,451 --> 02:32:24,218
that work.

4674
02:32:24,218 --> 02:32:25,180
>> chair jeff is in the members

4675
02:32:25,180 --> 02:32:28,180
of the board, director of

4676
02:32:29,357 --> 02:32:30,124
facilities of fleet management.

4677
02:32:30,124 --> 02:32:31,250
I'm excited to speak to about

4678
02:32:31,250 --> 02:32:31,859
the judicial center projects.

4679
02:32:31,859 --> 02:32:32,426
Both the current and future

4680
02:32:32,426 --> 02:32:34,826
expansion projects we have

4681
02:32:37,965 --> 02:32:38,966
going on right now.

4682
02:32:38,966 --> 02:32:39,966
You were asked to provide the

4683
02:32:39,966 --> 02:32:40,601
presentation to provide this

4684
02:32:40,601 --> 02:32:42,737
information to you and to the

4685
02:32:42,737 --> 02:32:44,737
public.

4686
02:32:47,141 --> 02:32:47,975
And so our current projects

4687
02:32:47,975 --> 02:32:49,911
here are pictures of the

4688
02:32:49,911 --> 02:32:52,311
projects we have completed.

4689
02:32:55,820 --> 02:32:56,170
Since fiscal year 2018 we

4690
02:32:56,170 --> 02:32:59,170
refurbished five of the six

4691
02:33:03,858 --> 02:33:04,525
elevators in the sixth elevator

4692
02:33:04,525 --> 02:33:05,459
is scheduled to be completed

4693
02:33:05,459 --> 02:33:06,294
over the next year or in half

4694
02:33:06,294 --> 02:33:06,928
that the republic elevators

4695
02:33:06,928 --> 02:33:07,828
with lots of issues with

4696
02:33:07,828 --> 02:33:10,228
reliability those have been

4697
02:33:10,630 --> 02:33:10,831
resolved

4698
02:33:10,831 --> 02:33:11,499
.

4699
02:33:11,499 --> 02:33:13,899
We refurbished the judges

4700
02:33:16,470 --> 02:33:17,104
elevator and one of the

4701
02:33:17,104 --> 02:33:18,500
transfer elevators we also

4702
02:33:18,500 --> 02:33:21,500
completed a renovation work of

4703
02:33:22,109 --> 02:33:23,100
the clerk of the circuit court

4704
02:33:23,100 --> 02:33:24,812
public counters for that

4705
02:33:24,812 --> 02:33:27,212
project was completed around

4706
02:33:34,655 --> 02:33:35,389
21/22.

4707
02:33:35,389 --> 02:33:36,324
Courtroom number seven which

4708
02:33:36,324 --> 02:33:37,240
used to be the jury assembly

4709
02:33:37,240 --> 02:33:37,291
room we repurposed the room

4710
02:33:37,291 --> 02:33:38,159
into

4711
02:33:38,159 --> 02:33:39,393
a new courtroom and that

4712
02:33:39,393 --> 02:33:39,760
project was completed in the

4713
02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:40,995
last 12 months.

4714
02:33:40,995 --> 02:33:42,296
Public restrooms, we renovated

4715
02:33:42,296 --> 02:33:44,296
in the courthouse

4716
02:33:46,767 --> 02:33:47,368
.

4717
02:33:47,368 --> 02:33:50,400
It has been a lot more

4718
02:33:50,400 --> 02:33:52,400
convenient to use.

4719
02:33:52,673 --> 02:33:53,207
Next projects is the sheriffs

4720
02:33:53,207 --> 02:33:55,207
conference room.

4721
02:34:02,316 --> 02:34:03,500
We enlarged it so he can now do

4722
02:34:03,500 --> 02:34:06,500
press conferences and things of

4723
02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:11,692
that nature.

4724
02:34:11,692 --> 02:34:12,593
It's a real nice base.

4725
02:34:12,593 --> 02:34:13,594
We moved of the library up to

4726
02:34:13,594 --> 02:34:15,620
the third floor into a new

4727
02:34:15,620 --> 02:34:15,229
renovated space

4728
02:34:15,229 --> 02:34:15,930
.

4729
02:34:15,930 --> 02:34:17,930
It looks nice.

4730
02:34:19,867 --> 02:34:21,680
As part of a replacement

4731
02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:24,680
project ongoing we replace the

4732
02:34:25,506 --> 02:34:26,173
boilers in the facility.

4733
02:34:26,173 --> 02:34:28,676
We have done quite a bit of

4734
02:34:28,676 --> 02:34:32,276
projects and have a lot of

4735
02:34:34,715 --> 02:34:35,316
things going on still.

4736
02:34:35,316 --> 02:34:36,217
Thousands of white 18 we

4737
02:34:36,217 --> 02:34:36,951
initiated and completed 52

4738
02:34:36,951 --> 02:34:39,351
projects in the courthouse.

4739
02:34:43,558 --> 02:34:44,492
Right now we have 15 ongoing

4740
02:34:44,492 --> 02:34:45,526
projects and that totals 23.5

4741
02:34:45,526 --> 02:34:47,194
million projects completed than

4742
02:34:47,194 --> 02:34:49,960
21.3 million projects in

4743
02:34:49,960 --> 02:34:49,830
process right now.

4744
02:34:49,830 --> 02:34:52,830
The projects in process right

4745
02:34:56,671 --> 02:34:57,371
now include updating the av

4746
02:34:57,371 --> 02:34:59,771
systems in the 18 courtrooms,

4747
02:35:02,108 --> 02:35:02,443
also doing restoration in the

4748
02:35:02,443 --> 02:35:03,444
courtrooms.

4749
02:35:03,444 --> 02:35:05,844
Replacing generators for the

4750
02:35:06,480 --> 02:35:07,480
building, roof replacement,

4751
02:35:07,480 --> 02:35:08,649
carpet replacement, led

4752
02:35:08,649 --> 02:35:10,649
lighting upgrades, constructing

4753
02:35:11,252 --> 02:35:11,419
courtroom number seven

4754
02:35:11,419 --> 02:35:13,419
, doing

4755
02:35:17,124 --> 02:35:17,191
hvac system replacement.

4756
02:35:17,191 --> 02:35:18,125
E

4757
02:35:18,125 --> 02:35:19,560
are waiting until JANUARY

4758
02:35:19,560 --> 02:35:20,261
before we replace the

4759
02:35:20,261 --> 02:35:22,661
air-conditioning part of the

4760
02:35:25,990 --> 02:35:25,800
hvac system.

4761
02:35:25,800 --> 02:35:27,235
Next is the future expansion

4762
02:35:27,235 --> 02:35:29,235
project.

4763
02:35:30,504 --> 02:35:33,504
This project came about based

4764
02:35:33,941 --> 02:35:36,941
off of the 2023 judicial center

4765
02:35:37,211 --> 02:35:37,678
master plan we brought forward

4766
02:35:37,678 --> 02:35:39,678
to the board.

4767
02:35:40,882 --> 02:35:41,849
This was completed by mostly

4768
02:35:41,849 --> 02:35:44,849
architects but they worked with

4769
02:35:45,485 --> 02:35:46,387
the different parties in the

4770
02:35:46,387 --> 02:35:47,255
judicial center complex.

4771
02:35:47,255 --> 02:35:49,655
Both occupants and the

4772
02:35:50,892 --> 02:35:51,425
different agencies that work in

4773
02:35:51,425 --> 02:35:53,825
the facilities around the

4774
02:35:54,629 --> 02:35:55,363
judicial center.

4775
02:35:55,363 --> 02:35:58,963
They had found as we identified

4776
02:36:01,135 --> 02:36:01,836
that we need 15 circuit

4777
02:36:01,836 --> 02:36:03,671
courtrooms who can 20 years we

4778
02:36:03,671 --> 02:36:04,839
are going to need 221,000

4779
02:36:04,839 --> 02:36:07,839
square feet of additional space

4780
02:36:08,876 --> 02:36:10,511
needed for all three courts and

4781
02:36:10,511 --> 02:36:12,413
support function areas we

4782
02:36:12,413 --> 02:36:14,813
identified the need for 950

4783
02:36:16,250 --> 02:36:19,250
structured garage there as well

4784
02:36:20,588 --> 02:36:20,688
completed in two phases

4785
02:36:20,688 --> 02:36:22,356
.

4786
02:36:22,356 --> 02:36:24,580
On the current challenges we

4787
02:36:24,580 --> 02:36:25,326
are seeing right now

4788
02:36:25,326 --> 02:36:27,326
,

4789
02:36:31,399 --> 02:36:32,400
specifically secured jury

4790
02:36:32,400 --> 02:36:34,134
assembly room, liberation rooms

4791
02:36:34,134 --> 02:36:36,134
easily accessible, secured

4792
02:36:39,473 --> 02:36:40,473
restrooms and kitchenette area

4793
02:36:40,473 --> 02:36:41,108
for them when they are in the

4794
02:36:41,108 --> 02:36:41,975
lunch breaks to sit down in a

4795
02:36:41,975 --> 02:36:44,375
comfortable place and have

4796
02:36:47,114 --> 02:36:47,782
their lunch.

4797
02:36:47,782 --> 02:36:48,683
Another big concern we had is

4798
02:36:48,683 --> 02:36:49,617
related to his a committee of

4799
02:36:49,617 --> 02:36:50,284
the court system in the circuit

4800
02:36:50,284 --> 02:36:50,985
court.

4801
02:36:50,985 --> 02:36:54,422
In the area behind the circuit

4802
02:36:54,422 --> 02:36:54,655
court courtrooms we have a

4803
02:36:54,655 --> 02:36:56,655
hallway.

4804
02:36:57,959 --> 02:36:58,626
We don't have complete

4805
02:36:58,626 --> 02:36:59,460
segregation in the prisoner

4806
02:36:59,460 --> 02:37:02,460
transports on the judges and

4807
02:37:04,265 --> 02:37:04,832
the jurors and so there are

4808
02:37:04,832 --> 02:37:05,766
courtrooms we bring the

4809
02:37:05,766 --> 02:37:08,636
prisoners up and they have to

4810
02:37:08,636 --> 02:37:11,873
traverse in the same hallway we

4811
02:37:11,873 --> 02:37:12,874
had jurors and judges affect

4812
02:37:12,874 --> 02:37:16,474
our practices in place to keep

4813
02:37:16,744 --> 02:37:17,612
the segregation, but if you

4814
02:37:17,612 --> 02:37:18,346
make a mistake you could

4815
02:37:18,346 --> 02:37:19,413
potentially open ourselves up

4816
02:37:19,413 --> 02:37:19,513
to a pretty serious issue

4817
02:37:19,513 --> 02:37:20,481
.

4818
02:37:20,481 --> 02:37:23,951
That's a big concern we are

4819
02:37:23,951 --> 02:37:24,552
working on developing a

4820
02:37:24,552 --> 02:37:28,152
resolution to was in the new

4821
02:37:28,990 --> 02:37:29,724
design of the new courthouse.

4822
02:37:29,724 --> 02:37:32,724
Want to share renderings of

4823
02:37:35,563 --> 02:37:36,630
what potentially the courthouse

4824
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:36,797
could look like.

4825
02:37:36,797 --> 02:37:37,732
It MAY look like this, it MAY

4826
02:37:37,732 --> 02:37:38,633
look completely different.

4827
02:37:38,633 --> 02:37:42,233
To stop talk with my hands.

4828
02:37:43,371 --> 02:37:43,538
MAY look like this, and MAY

4829
02:37:43,538 --> 02:37:45,339
not.

4830
02:37:45,339 --> 02:37:46,207
We wanted to give you an idea

4831
02:37:46,207 --> 02:37:47,875
of what it could potentially

4832
02:37:47,875 --> 02:37:50,144
look like in the space in front

4833
02:37:50,144 --> 02:37:52,847
of the courthouse that's a

4834
02:37:52,847 --> 02:37:54,916
front look at the potential

4835
02:37:54,916 --> 02:37:58,386
courthouse and that is the side

4836
02:37:58,386 --> 02:38:01,386
view of that courthouse this

4837
02:38:02,657 --> 02:38:03,190
slide shows you where we are

4838
02:38:03,190 --> 02:38:03,791
planning on putting the

4839
02:38:03,791 --> 02:38:05,791
judicial center expansion

4840
02:38:06,727 --> 02:38:07,428
project.

4841
02:38:07,428 --> 02:38:09,864
As you can see up top of the

4842
02:38:09,864 --> 02:38:10,698
new parking garage which is

4843
02:38:10,698 --> 02:38:14,298
across the road from the adult

4844
02:38:16,370 --> 02:38:17,380
detention center adjacent to

4845
02:38:17,380 --> 02:38:17,838
the manassas senior center and

4846
02:38:17,838 --> 02:38:19,607
we had the judicial center

4847
02:38:19,607 --> 02:38:22,700
expansion area which is

4848
02:38:22,944 --> 02:38:25,944
essentially next door to the

4849
02:38:26,881 --> 02:38:27,748
adc and judicial center.

4850
02:38:27,748 --> 02:38:28,382
But you will notice that is

4851
02:38:28,382 --> 02:38:30,782
located where the bennett

4852
02:38:31,218 --> 02:38:32,453
school currently resides.

4853
02:38:32,453 --> 02:38:35,389
And so I want to give you an

4854
02:38:35,389 --> 02:38:35,623
overview about the bennett

4855
02:38:35,623 --> 02:38:36,524
school.

4856
02:38:36,524 --> 02:38:36,724
It is uncharted for the past 40

4857
02:38:36,724 --> 02:38:37,358
years.

4858
02:38:37,358 --> 02:38:40,428
See the picture on the top

4859
02:38:40,428 --> 02:38:41,362
right bottom right?

4860
02:38:41,362 --> 02:38:45,562
That is what it look like for

4861
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:46,634
the last four years.

4862
02:38:46,634 --> 02:38:47,501
We know the inside of the

4863
02:38:47,501 --> 02:38:47,702
building the work has been done

4864
02:38:47,702 --> 02:38:49,702
on it.

4865
02:38:52,340 --> 02:38:52,906
We are concerned that comes to

4866
02:38:52,906 --> 02:38:53,808
integrity is in question.

4867
02:38:53,808 --> 02:38:54,508
I'm not comfortable sending my

4868
02:38:54,508 --> 02:38:56,100
stuff inside the building to do

4869
02:38:56,100 --> 02:38:56,143
any work

4870
02:38:56,143 --> 02:38:57,111
.

4871
02:38:57,111 --> 02:38:57,745
We don't know what we are going

4872
02:38:57,745 --> 02:39:00,145
to find inside there.

4873
02:39:03,284 --> 02:39:04,117
We are pretty sure it contains

4874
02:39:04,117 --> 02:39:05,219
asbestos, lead, mold, water

4875
02:39:05,219 --> 02:39:07,219
damage and terminates.

4876
02:39:09,423 --> 02:39:11,626
In 2019 we had done a report or

4877
02:39:11,626 --> 02:39:12,894
an assessment on it looking at

4878
02:39:12,894 --> 02:39:13,527
it to use it for a share space

4879
02:39:13,527 --> 02:39:15,696
and those are some of the

4880
02:39:15,696 --> 02:39:19,296
findings that study it came up

4881
02:39:22,737 --> 02:39:23,404
with.

4882
02:39:23,404 --> 02:39:24,405
It's not currently listed in

4883
02:39:24,405 --> 02:39:25,239
the fridge and landmarks

4884
02:39:25,239 --> 02:39:26,407
adjuster, it's not listed in

4885
02:39:26,407 --> 02:39:26,774
the national register of

4886
02:39:26,774 --> 02:39:27,740
historic places.

4887
02:39:27,740 --> 02:39:27,975
T is listed

4888
02:39:27,975 --> 02:39:30,375
on the historical marker

4889
02:39:31,345 --> 02:39:32,130
database and it is a historic

4890
02:39:32,130 --> 02:39:35,130
site by the prince william

4891
02:39:36,851 --> 02:39:37,784
county department of parks and

4892
02:39:37,784 --> 02:39:39,921
recreation under the historic

4893
02:39:39,921 --> 02:39:41,921
preservation division.

4894
02:39:43,457 --> 02:39:44,425
Student it's age before we take

4895
02:39:44,425 --> 02:39:45,359
the building down we have to

4896
02:39:45,359 --> 02:39:47,759
get permission from the

4897
02:39:49,297 --> 02:39:49,797
virginia department of historic

4898
02:39:49,797 --> 02:39:50,130
resources.

4899
02:39:50,130 --> 02:39:51,966
We had to get the

4900
02:39:51,966 --> 02:39:54,966
approval before we move to

4901
02:39:58,406 --> 02:39:59,105
raise the building.

4902
02:39:59,105 --> 02:39:59,907
We have to do it at minimum we

4903
02:39:59,907 --> 02:40:01,420
would have to do more is a

4904
02:40:01,420 --> 02:40:01,876
level I archaeological survey

4905
02:40:01,876 --> 02:40:03,544
and we would have to deal with

4906
02:40:03,544 --> 02:40:06,544
whatever findings MAY come up

4907
02:40:07,481 --> 02:40:10,418
as a result of the survey.

4908
02:40:10,418 --> 02:40:13,418
This building dates back to

4909
02:40:14,222 --> 02:40:14,722
1909 and it was last used as a

4910
02:40:14,722 --> 02:40:16,722
school in 1969.

4911
02:40:19,326 --> 02:40:20,161
After that it was used either

4912
02:40:20,161 --> 02:40:20,861
with the sheriff's office or

4913
02:40:20,861 --> 02:40:21,862
the police department.

4914
02:40:21,862 --> 02:40:23,970
We got conflicting information

4915
02:40:23,970 --> 02:40:23,797
about that.

4916
02:40:23,797 --> 02:40:27,397
Has not been used 4 at least

4917
02:40:30,404 --> 02:40:31,500
last 40 years.

4918
02:40:31,500 --> 02:40:31,906
We did look at how can we

4919
02:40:31,906 --> 02:40:32,707
potentially incorporate the

4920
02:40:32,707 --> 02:40:34,542
bennett school into the

4921
02:40:34,542 --> 02:40:36,542
expansion project

4922
02:40:40,581 --> 02:40:41,582
.

4923
02:40:41,582 --> 02:40:42,483
We did have a company come and

4924
02:40:42,483 --> 02:40:43,840
that did a rough order of

4925
02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:45,840
magnitude estimate renovating

4926
02:40:48,890 --> 02:40:48,723
existing bennett school and the

4927
02:40:48,723 --> 02:40:51,723
neighbor they gave us was

4928
02:40:52,960 --> 02:40:53,928
37,500,000.

4929
02:40:53,928 --> 02:40:55,663
We anticipate we would need to

4930
02:40:55,663 --> 02:40:56,329
budget a large contingency.

4931
02:40:56,329 --> 02:40:59,929
we don't know what we don't

4932
02:41:01,869 --> 02:41:02,904
know and we can kinda guarantee

4933
02:41:02,904 --> 02:41:03,704
we are going to run into stuff

4934
02:41:03,704 --> 02:41:05,704
we are unanticipated.

4935
02:41:08,142 --> 02:41:10,440
Totally speaking, we think a

4936
02:41:10,440 --> 02:41:13,440
budget of 46,875,000 is what we

4937
02:41:14,749 --> 02:41:15,415
are looking at.

4938
02:41:15,415 --> 02:41:15,650
Until we got in there and

4939
02:41:15,650 --> 02:41:16,917
started

4940
02:41:16,917 --> 02:41:18,653
assessing things.

4941
02:41:18,653 --> 02:41:22,853
It is going to be if we're

4942
02:41:25,726 --> 02:41:26,594
going to try to renovate that

4943
02:41:26,594 --> 02:41:27,295
facility and if we try to

4944
02:41:27,295 --> 02:41:28,162
renovate we would have to try

4945
02:41:28,162 --> 02:41:30,565
to connect it to the new

4946
02:41:30,565 --> 02:41:31,332
facility on that would create

4947
02:41:31,332 --> 02:41:32,200
more variables we have to solve

4948
02:41:32,200 --> 02:41:36,400
and I don't know if our current

4949
02:41:37,605 --> 02:41:38,238
estimate factors that in.

4950
02:41:38,238 --> 02:41:39,106
We have been asked what it

4951
02:41:39,106 --> 02:41:39,774
would cost and what it would

4952
02:41:39,774 --> 02:41:42,243
take to move the facility.

4953
02:41:42,243 --> 02:41:45,790
In 2023 we had done preliminary

4954
02:41:45,790 --> 02:41:47,515
research and it was 2.5 million

4955
02:41:47,515 --> 02:41:47,748
to pick up the building and

4956
02:41:47,748 --> 02:41:49,748
move it.

4957
02:41:59,827 --> 02:42:00,828
With that doesn't include is

4958
02:42:00,828 --> 02:42:01,529
it's on the rubble foundation

4959
02:42:01,529 --> 02:42:02,463
preventive pick it up and drop

4960
02:42:02,463 --> 02:42:02,663
it somewhere you've to build a

4961
02:42:02,663 --> 02:42:03,464
new

4962
02:42:03,464 --> 02:42:04,398
foundation to put that on.

4963
02:42:04,398 --> 02:42:05,333
That is another additional $5

4964
02:42:05,333 --> 02:42:05,600
million we anticipate we dock

4965
02:42:05,600 --> 02:42:06,434
to spend.

4966
02:42:06,434 --> 02:42:07,335
You have to figure out where

4967
02:42:07,335 --> 02:42:08,350
you put it, if the hook

4968
02:42:08,350 --> 02:42:09,669
utilities up to it and get it

4969
02:42:09,669 --> 02:42:09,871
in service

4970
02:42:09,871 --> 02:42:10,571
.

4971
02:42:10,571 --> 02:42:10,872
I don't know if we want to move

4972
02:42:10,872 --> 02:42:12,872
it.

4973
02:42:17,245 --> 02:42:17,912
We wouldn't want to move

4974
02:42:17,912 --> 02:42:18,746
it and drop it somewhere else

4975
02:42:18,746 --> 02:42:19,647
and let it sit for more time

4976
02:42:19,647 --> 02:42:20,348
but we would have to make a

4977
02:42:20,348 --> 02:42:23,948
commitment at the time to do

4978
02:42:24,585 --> 02:42:25,553
the work.

4979
02:42:25,553 --> 02:42:26,554
Our current estimate was a

4980
02:42:26,554 --> 02:42:27,555
rough order of magnitude which

4981
02:42:27,555 --> 02:42:29,955
includes the contingency was

4982
02:42:37,665 --> 02:42:38,699
56,250,000.

4983
02:42:38,699 --> 02:42:41,699
We want to memorialize the

4984
02:42:47,875 --> 02:42:48,209
bennett school whatever future

4985
02:42:48,209 --> 02:42:49,143
project we do.

4986
02:42:49,143 --> 02:42:50,110
We reached out to dewberry and

4987
02:42:50,110 --> 02:42:50,878
asked them if they can provide

4988
02:42:50,878 --> 02:42:51,145
us ideas on what potentially

4989
02:42:51,145 --> 02:42:52,113
could do.

4990
02:42:52,113 --> 02:42:54,480
We've not made any decisions at

4991
02:42:54,480 --> 02:42:55,160
this point but there are ways

4992
02:42:55,160 --> 02:42:55,750
to try to memorialize the

4993
02:42:55,750 --> 02:42:59,350
bennett school and some if that

4994
02:43:02,957 --> 02:43:03,224
is repurposed thing the salvage

4995
02:43:03,224 --> 02:43:04,559
materials.

4996
02:43:04,559 --> 02:43:05,159
Mother it is taken the front

4997
02:43:05,159 --> 02:43:08,159
columns and somewhere in the

4998
02:43:10,898 --> 02:43:11,799
complex developing it shows the

4999
02:43:11,799 --> 02:43:13,134
colors in the bennett school

5000
02:43:13,134 --> 02:43:13,801
with the informational market.

5001
02:43:13,801 --> 02:43:16,801
Talks about with the bennett

5002
02:43:22,209 --> 02:43:22,877
school is in the area.

5003
02:43:22,877 --> 02:43:23,511
We can take that reservist

5004
02:43:23,511 --> 02:43:23,811
materials and incorporate

5005
02:43:23,811 --> 02:43:25,811
them

5006
02:43:26,180 --> 02:43:29,180
until the new facility.. We

5007
02:43:30,785 --> 02:43:31,452
can take the foundation and

5008
02:43:31,452 --> 02:43:32,353
incorporate that into the

5009
02:43:32,353 --> 02:43:32,486
building as well.

5010
02:43:32,486 --> 02:43:33,988
.

5011
02:43:33,988 --> 02:43:38,188
In the bottom right we see an

5012
02:43:39,260 --> 02:43:39,927
outline.

5013
02:43:39,927 --> 02:43:42,290
We create outline where the

5014
02:43:42,290 --> 02:43:42,997
bennett school was sent a note

5015
02:43:42,997 --> 02:43:45,397
that having different color

5016
02:43:49,169 --> 02:43:50,104
floor to denote this is where

5017
02:43:50,104 --> 02:43:50,972
the bennett school sat and then

5018
02:43:50,972 --> 02:43:53,372
create informational panel of

5019
02:43:54,609 --> 02:43:55,543
sorts to explain the history

5020
02:43:55,543 --> 02:43:59,143
and have that available to the

5021
02:44:02,516 --> 02:44:03,551
public can see that.

5022
02:44:03,551 --> 02:44:05,319
Information about the actual

5023
02:44:05,319 --> 02:44:05,486
expansion project

5024
02:44:05,486 --> 02:44:06,120
.

5025
02:44:06,120 --> 02:44:08,556
And construction of a five

5026
02:44:08,556 --> 02:44:09,257
level building.

5027
02:44:09,257 --> 02:44:12,930
One underground and four levels

5028
02:44:12,930 --> 02:44:12,827
above ground.

5029
02:44:12,827 --> 02:44:15,827
The facility would be dedicated

5030
02:44:18,266 --> 02:44:19,650
to the circuit court that would

5031
02:44:19,650 --> 02:44:21,369
include the circuit court

5032
02:44:21,369 --> 02:44:22,680
clerks operations as well.

5033
02:44:22,680 --> 02:44:25,680
We anticipate they would have

5034
02:44:25,239 --> 02:44:25,873
12 courtrooms which meets the

5035
02:44:25,873 --> 02:44:28,273
expectations of the circuit

5036
02:44:28,509 --> 02:44:30,478
court judge is.

5037
02:44:30,478 --> 02:44:33,470
We were designed to lead old

5038
02:44:33,470 --> 02:44:35,447
standards we would incorporate

5039
02:44:38,819 --> 02:44:39,587
practices like solar arrays,

5040
02:44:39,587 --> 02:44:42,255
led lighting whatever we need

5041
02:44:42,255 --> 02:44:42,857
to put in their to get

5042
02:44:42,857 --> 02:44:44,857
qualifications for legal

5043
02:44:47,662 --> 02:44:48,329
standards.

5044
02:44:48,329 --> 02:44:51,929
One of the way, it's most

5045
02:44:52,433 --> 02:44:53,434
efficient use of the site.

5046
02:44:53,434 --> 02:44:53,968
Expend in the future possibly

5047
02:44:53,968 --> 02:44:56,368
on the 20 year mark.

5048
02:44:58,500 --> 02:45:01,500
We can add additional space

5049
02:45:08,749 --> 02:45:09,650
north, parallel with the adc.

5050
02:45:09,650 --> 02:45:10,218
What it doesn't do is the

5051
02:45:10,218 --> 02:45:10,885
existing courthouse is not

5052
02:45:10,885 --> 02:45:11,818
renovated and that would be

5053
02:45:11,818 --> 02:45:12,853
something we would have to come

5054
02:45:12,853 --> 02:45:16,453
back and develop a cap project

5055
02:45:17,424 --> 02:45:18,359
in the future to renovate the

5056
02:45:18,359 --> 02:45:19,160
existing courthouse after

5057
02:45:19,160 --> 02:45:19,994
circuit court in the clerk move

5058
02:45:19,994 --> 02:45:21,729
out there use the space more

5059
02:45:21,729 --> 02:45:22,295
effectively for the growth of

5060
02:45:22,295 --> 02:45:24,695
other functions in the

5061
02:45:27,602 --> 02:45:28,336
courthouse.

5062
02:45:28,336 --> 02:45:31,336
We projected the timeline with

5063
02:45:32,106 --> 02:45:32,405
the different things we would

5064
02:45:32,405 --> 02:45:34,405
have to do.

5065
02:45:34,542 --> 02:45:37,278
It is about six years.

5066
02:45:37,278 --> 02:45:37,979
Let is the worst case scenario.

5067
02:45:37,979 --> 02:45:40,114
Will try to beat it but that is

5068
02:45:40,114 --> 02:45:40,848
where we are at.

5069
02:45:40,848 --> 02:45:45,648
I do want to give you a number

5070
02:45:46,287 --> 02:45:48,687
that is not realistic.

5071
02:45:52,460 --> 02:45:53,227
A rough estimate of cost, 4.8

5072
02:45:53,227 --> 02:45:54,295
million to demo 43.5 million to

5073
02:45:54,295 --> 02:45:57,895
do the parking structure in the

5074
02:45:59,660 --> 02:45:59,400
151.7 million for the judicial

5075
02:45:59,400 --> 02:46:01,400
center.

5076
02:46:03,104 --> 02:46:04,380
The parking structure, the

5077
02:46:04,380 --> 02:46:04,672
process would be done sooner.

5078
02:46:04,672 --> 02:46:06,774
It would be going up sooner

5079
02:46:06,774 --> 02:46:09,774
than expansion project so that

5080
02:46:12,280 --> 02:46:13,179
would to be a good thing that

5081
02:46:13,179 --> 02:46:13,881
is the cost of nuts in the $200

5082
02:46:13,881 --> 02:46:16,881
million budget we have right

5083
02:46:20,287 --> 02:46:20,955
now.

5084
02:46:20,955 --> 02:46:21,422
When to give you a potential

5085
02:46:21,422 --> 02:46:23,190
layout.

5086
02:46:23,190 --> 02:46:24,191
This is an set in stone but to

5087
02:46:24,191 --> 02:46:25,326
give you a visual of what we

5088
02:46:25,326 --> 02:46:25,393
could have

5089
02:46:25,393 --> 02:46:27,393
.

5090
02:46:32,767 --> 02:46:33,434
There is separation between the

5091
02:46:33,434 --> 02:46:34,335
different functions.

5092
02:46:34,335 --> 02:46:35,269
You notice the public is

5093
02:46:35,269 --> 02:46:36,204
separated from the prisoner

5094
02:46:36,204 --> 02:46:38,604
transport and separated from

5095
02:46:41,943 --> 02:46:42,910
the jurors and the judges.

5096
02:46:42,910 --> 02:46:43,578
Need judges and jurors are

5097
02:46:43,578 --> 02:46:45,978
separated from the prisoner

5098
02:46:47,948 --> 02:46:48,616
movement in the facility.

5099
02:46:48,616 --> 02:46:49,417
The orange spaces where the

5100
02:46:49,417 --> 02:46:51,519
prisoners would come up from

5101
02:46:51,519 --> 02:46:54,255
the basement and they would be

5102
02:46:54,255 --> 02:46:55,723
brought into the courtrooms for

5103
02:46:55,723 --> 02:46:58,392
their cases where there's not

5104
02:46:58,392 --> 02:46:59,360
any worry about what we have.

5105
02:46:59,360 --> 02:47:02,360
It's fine the current circuit

5106
02:47:03,364 --> 02:47:05,364
court courtrooms.

5107
02:47:06,234 --> 02:47:09,834
This would be on levels two,

5108
02:47:11,572 --> 02:47:12,340
three and four pick you notice

5109
02:47:12,340 --> 02:47:14,242
that they have judged chambers

5110
02:47:14,242 --> 02:47:14,909
in space for jury deliberation.

5111
02:47:14,909 --> 02:47:17,111
They will also areas for

5112
02:47:17,111 --> 02:47:20,111
support staff to support those

5113
02:47:21,480 --> 02:47:23,480
operations.

5114
02:47:24,685 --> 02:47:28,285
The first level is where we

5115
02:47:29,657 --> 02:47:30,625
have the clerks office.

5116
02:47:30,625 --> 02:47:31,250
The performing on the marriage

5117
02:47:31,250 --> 02:47:32,226
licenses, probate

5118
02:47:32,226 --> 02:47:34,226
and will,

5119
02:47:37,632 --> 02:47:40,320
civil motions, processes they

5120
02:47:43,204 --> 02:47:44,380
manage on the third floor the

5121
02:47:44,380 --> 02:47:46,380
circuit court building.

5122
02:47:48,442 --> 02:47:49,443
With space for jury assembly.

5123
02:47:49,443 --> 02:47:50,177
For point of reference you see

5124
02:47:50,177 --> 02:47:52,613
where we have the outline of

5125
02:47:52,613 --> 02:47:53,347
where the bennett school would

5126
02:47:53,347 --> 02:47:56,347
exist if we dropped the

5127
02:47:57,818 --> 02:48:00,421
building right on top of it.

5128
02:48:00,421 --> 02:48:02,857
And then this is the lower

5129
02:48:02,857 --> 02:48:06,457
level of the facility and you

5130
02:48:08,620 --> 02:48:08,829
can see the orange pathway.

5131
02:48:08,829 --> 02:48:09,797
you can see it is connected to

5132
02:48:09,797 --> 02:48:13,397
the adc that develops into the

5133
02:48:17,737 --> 02:48:18,773
courthouse and holding areas

5134
02:48:18,773 --> 02:48:19,740
that can be directly taken

5135
02:48:19,740 --> 02:48:21,841
upstairs via elevator not have

5136
02:48:21,841 --> 02:48:22,743
to have any interaction with

5137
02:48:22,743 --> 02:48:25,743
anyone other than the sheriff's

5138
02:48:26,747 --> 02:48:27,782
office. We see in the basement

5139
02:48:27,782 --> 02:48:28,249
being an area for historical

5140
02:48:28,249 --> 02:48:28,749
archives, land

5141
02:48:28,749 --> 02:48:29,617
records, law

5142
02:48:29,617 --> 02:48:30,218
library.

5143
02:48:30,218 --> 02:48:30,918
We know we will need

5144
02:48:30,918 --> 02:48:32,918
maintenance space

5145
02:48:37,924 --> 02:48:39,924
.

5146
02:48:47,100 --> 02:48:47,702
When we go further into design

5147
02:48:47,702 --> 02:48:48,669
we get more detail as to what

5148
02:48:48,669 --> 02:48:49,570
the different things would be.

5149
02:48:49,570 --> 02:48:52,740
This is to give you an idea of

5150
02:48:52,740 --> 02:48:53,407
what they could potentially be.

5151
02:48:53,407 --> 02:48:56,407
I talked about the potential

5152
02:48:58,512 --> 02:48:59,513
for expansion.

5153
02:48:59,513 --> 02:49:00,214
As you can see here we have the

5154
02:49:00,214 --> 02:49:02,614
potential to add additional

5155
02:49:06,554 --> 02:49:07,255
floors which would to be too

5156
02:49:07,255 --> 02:49:08,221
court room set up similar to

5157
02:49:08,221 --> 02:49:08,556
the courtrooms on the original

5158
02:49:08,556 --> 02:49:09,624
building.

5159
02:49:09,624 --> 02:49:14,424
We have the same set up for two

5160
02:49:19,634 --> 02:49:20,334
courtrooms per floor.

5161
02:49:20,334 --> 02:49:21,135
We could add 2 to 3 levels

5162
02:49:21,135 --> 02:49:22,236
before we start running into

5163
02:49:22,236 --> 02:49:25,236
the height restrictions we have

5164
02:49:26,340 --> 02:49:27,740
on that property.

5165
02:49:27,740 --> 02:49:27,975
So our next upside this week we

5166
02:49:27,975 --> 02:49:31,512
are going to begin the process

5167
02:49:31,512 --> 02:49:31,746
with the state on the bennett

5168
02:49:31,746 --> 02:49:32,513
school.

5169
02:49:32,513 --> 02:49:33,180
We will design process on

5170
02:49:33,180 --> 02:49:35,580
expansion of the building.

5171
02:49:43,791 --> 02:49:44,792
We made good progress doing the

5172
02:49:44,792 --> 02:49:45,459
programming discussions and now

5173
02:49:45,459 --> 02:49:47,228
it's time to get into the

5174
02:49:47,228 --> 02:49:47,828
details of the design and we

5175
02:49:47,828 --> 02:49:48,362
start working on that and we

5176
02:49:48,362 --> 02:49:48,930
will continue the design

5177
02:49:48,930 --> 02:49:49,297
process for the parking

5178
02:49:49,297 --> 02:49:49,997
structure.

5179
02:49:49,997 --> 02:49:54,197
With that I would be happy to

5180
02:49:54,769 --> 02:49:55,770
take any questions.

5181
02:49:55,770 --> 02:49:57,770
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5182
02:49:59,472 --> 02:49:59,874
thank you so much.

5183
02:49:59,874 --> 02:50:00,708
Supervisor gordy.

5184
02:50:00,708 --> 02:50:03,708
> Tom Gordy: thank you for

5185
02:50:04,679 --> 02:50:05,445
the presentation.

5186
02:50:05,445 --> 02:50:07,181
There was one little thing I

5187
02:50:07,181 --> 02:50:09,581
saw it right there.

5188
02:50:09,650 --> 02:50:12,650
The orange dot under the

5189
02:50:15,555 --> 02:50:16,570
central holding

5190
02:50:16,570 --> 02:50:17,240
.

5191
02:50:17,240 --> 02:50:17,725
This book that is the elevator.

5192
02:50:17,725 --> 02:50:18,250
>> Tom Gordy: how do I get to

5193
02:50:18,250 --> 02:50:20,250
it?

5194
02:50:23,331 --> 02:50:24,310
>> the central area would be

5195
02:50:24,310 --> 02:50:24,932
cells we have them down there

5196
02:50:24,932 --> 02:50:25,900
and they would bring them there

5197
02:50:25,900 --> 02:50:26,601
and they would escort them or

5198
02:50:26,601 --> 02:50:30,201
take them down the hallway to

5199
02:50:30,872 --> 02:50:31,706
the other elevator.

5200
02:50:31,706 --> 02:50:33,700
>> you mention the clerks

5201
02:50:33,700 --> 02:50:34,408
office

5202
02:50:34,408 --> 02:50:36,408
.

5203
02:50:37,945 --> 02:50:39,914
I know there bennett bought a

5204
02:50:39,914 --> 02:50:42,314
discussions going between the

5205
02:50:42,917 --> 02:50:43,918
judges on the clerks office.

5206
02:50:43,918 --> 02:50:45,319
To what extent is the clerks

5207
02:50:45,319 --> 02:50:46,520
office

5208
02:50:46,520 --> 02:50:47,288
.

5209
02:50:47,288 --> 02:50:48,122
I know there been discussions

5210
02:50:48,122 --> 02:50:52,322
on who is in control of what

5211
02:50:54,128 --> 02:50:54,762
but my understanding is the

5212
02:50:54,762 --> 02:50:55,562
judges control the court

5213
02:50:55,562 --> 02:50:55,796
sunrooms but not the clerks

5214
02:50:55,796 --> 02:50:56,564
office.

5215
02:50:56,564 --> 02:51:00,764
I want to make sure as a

5216
02:51:02,236 --> 02:51:02,970
relates to who has got what

5217
02:51:02,970 --> 02:51:05,672
authorities over what areas of

5218
02:51:05,672 --> 02:51:07,672
the judicial center.

5219
02:51:08,576 --> 02:51:08,876
>> MS. Roble: the county owns

5220
02:51:08,876 --> 02:51:10,876
it.

5221
02:51:15,816 --> 02:51:16,817
Those areas necessary for

5222
02:51:16,817 --> 02:51:17,518
the use and occupancy are under

5223
02:51:17,518 --> 02:51:20,518
the authority of the circuit

5224
02:51:21,322 --> 02:51:22,230
court.

5225
02:51:22,230 --> 02:51:22,790
The board is required to

5226
02:51:22,790 --> 02:51:25,593
provide office space to the

5227
02:51:25,593 --> 02:51:29,193
clerk with the fire prefer the

5228
02:51:29,363 --> 02:51:29,730
files in the space is acquired

5229
02:51:29,730 --> 02:51:30,363
deadbeat in or

5230
02:51:30,363 --> 02:51:32,363
outside the

5231
02:51:38,706 --> 02:51:39,706
courthouse.

5232
02:51:39,706 --> 02:51:42,706
>> Tom Gordy: thank you MADAM

5233
02:51:43,211 --> 02:51:44,110
Attorney.

5234
02:51:44,110 --> 02:51:47,611
You and I talked about this

5235
02:51:47,882 --> 02:51:48,649
.

5236
02:51:48,649 --> 02:51:51,886
I have given my opinion on how

5237
02:51:51,886 --> 02:51:52,119
it relates to the bennett

5238
02:51:52,119 --> 02:51:52,954
school.

5239
02:51:52,954 --> 02:51:55,456
I don't think it's worth the

5240
02:51:55,456 --> 02:51:57,856
investment to save it,

5241
02:51:58,960 --> 02:52:01,360
maximizing the stone the

5242
02:52:04,165 --> 02:52:04,832
bennett school is made out of

5243
02:52:04,832 --> 02:52:08,432
its unique to the area and

5244
02:52:09,937 --> 02:52:10,938
unique to that part of manassas

5245
02:52:10,938 --> 02:52:11,639
with the red colored stone so

5246
02:52:11,639 --> 02:52:13,407
finding a way to incorporate

5247
02:52:13,407 --> 02:52:15,977
that into whether it's the

5248
02:52:15,977 --> 02:52:18,977
promenade or outside or even

5249
02:52:19,780 --> 02:52:21,480
like markers like you said.

5250
02:52:21,480 --> 02:52:23,951
I appreciate the effort you are

5251
02:52:23,951 --> 02:52:24,584
taking to memorialize the

5252
02:52:24,584 --> 02:52:27,755
building but I don't see the

5253
02:52:27,755 --> 02:52:31,355
value in trying to save a

5254
02:52:32,894 --> 02:52:33,794
building that even when we are

5255
02:52:33,794 --> 02:52:37,265
done saving it we aren't sure

5256
02:52:37,265 --> 02:52:38,165
how we are going to use it.

5257
02:52:38,165 --> 02:52:38,833
When we really need the space

5258
02:52:38,833 --> 02:52:39,901
to expand our judicial center.

5259
02:52:39,901 --> 02:52:42,901
On the only other thing.

5260
02:52:43,204 --> 02:52:46,804
You mentioned you were going to

5261
02:52:52,279 --> 02:52:52,480
move on the parking structures

5262
02:52:52,480 --> 02:52:53,247
with

5263
02:52:53,247 --> 02:52:53,614
doesn't just look like a

5264
02:52:53,614 --> 02:52:55,614
parking garage.

5265
02:53:00,254 --> 02:53:01,289
This is for all intents and

5266
02:53:01,289 --> 02:53:03,689
purposes downtown manassas but

5267
02:53:05,426 --> 02:53:06,427
it is surrounded by residential

5268
02:53:06,427 --> 02:53:07,128
and it is right next to the

5269
02:53:07,128 --> 02:53:08,996
courthouse.

5270
02:53:08,996 --> 02:53:09,130
Something that has a fac

5271
02:53:09,130 --> 02:53:09,664
de on

5272
02:53:09,664 --> 02:53:10,464
it that looks really good.

5273
02:53:10,464 --> 02:53:11,699
We look forward to seeing what

5274
02:53:11,699 --> 02:53:15,403
you guys are able to come up

5275
02:53:15,403 --> 02:53:15,903
with.

5276
02:53:15,903 --> 02:53:16,938
That's all I have.

5277
02:53:16,938 --> 02:53:17,205
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5278
02:53:17,205 --> 02:53:17,438
all right.

5279
02:53:17,438 --> 02:53:17,972
Before.

5280
02:53:17,972 --> 02:53:20,740
Apologize I want to

5281
02:53:20,740 --> 02:53:20,575
recognize look smith we have

5282
02:53:20,575 --> 02:53:21,576
you with us today.

5283
02:53:21,576 --> 02:53:25,460
With that I will turn it to

5284
02:53:25,460 --> 02:53:25,746
supervisor bailey.

5285
02:53:25,746 --> 02:53:27,515
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

5286
02:53:27,515 --> 02:53:29,915
here I am there.

5287
02:53:32,420 --> 02:53:33,420
Thanks for the presentation.

5288
02:53:33,420 --> 02:53:37,525
The more we see it the more we

5289
02:53:37,525 --> 02:53:38,250
understand it.

5290
02:53:38,250 --> 02:53:38,658
I have two things.

5291
02:53:38,658 --> 02:53:40,270
In prince william county

5292
02:53:40,270 --> 02:53:40,795
manassas city we are dealing

5293
02:53:40,795 --> 02:53:42,795
with old infrastructure.

5294
02:53:43,664 --> 02:53:44,632
In

5295
02:53:44,632 --> 02:53:47,632
the bennett building is an

5296
02:53:49,103 --> 02:53:50,104
example of that.

5297
02:53:50,104 --> 02:53:51,105
I agree with my colleague about

5298
02:53:51,105 --> 02:53:51,873
when you talk about investing

5299
02:53:51,873 --> 02:53:55,473
money, 46 million is a loft of

5300
02:53:57,144 --> 02:53:57,311
money.

5301
02:53:57,311 --> 02:53:57,812
56.

5302
02:53:57,812 --> 02:53:58,446
Excuse me.

5303
02:53:58,446 --> 02:54:02,316
That is still more than a lot

5304
02:54:02,316 --> 02:54:04,316
of money.

5305
02:54:05,653 --> 02:54:08,653
As we talk about preservation

5306
02:54:09,230 --> 02:54:11,359
of the old and incorporating

5307
02:54:11,359 --> 02:54:13,827
that in the new I encourage you

5308
02:54:13,827 --> 02:54:15,363
to think about it that way as

5309
02:54:15,363 --> 02:54:15,897
we get grants

5310
02:54:15,897 --> 02:54:17,897
.

5311
02:54:18,320 --> 02:54:20,234
Similarly what they did with

5312
02:54:20,234 --> 02:54:23,204
the museum and manassas city

5313
02:54:23,204 --> 02:54:23,938
.

5314
02:54:23,938 --> 02:54:28,138
But the thing I wanted to ask

5315
02:54:31,946 --> 02:54:32,913
is going back to something

5316
02:54:32,913 --> 02:54:34,913
supervisor gordy mentioned

5317
02:54:36,751 --> 02:54:37,451
about the collaborative input

5318
02:54:37,451 --> 02:54:38,619
between the clerks office and

5319
02:54:38,619 --> 02:54:39,252
judicial system and the

5320
02:54:39,252 --> 02:54:40,521
explanation our county attorney

5321
02:54:40,521 --> 02:54:41,222
gave us

5322
02:54:41,222 --> 02:54:43,222
.

5323
02:54:46,827 --> 02:54:47,280
As we move along with this

5324
02:54:47,280 --> 02:54:48,620
,

5325
02:54:48,620 --> 02:54:51,620
that is incorporating or has

5326
02:54:53,990 --> 02:54:53,868
been incorporated.

5327
02:54:53,868 --> 02:54:54,835
>> part of the design process

5328
02:54:54,835 --> 02:54:58,973
is we bring in the customer and

5329
02:54:58,973 --> 02:54:59,807
they participate in the process

5330
02:54:59,807 --> 02:55:01,776
and identify what their needs

5331
02:55:01,776 --> 02:55:05,376
are and they identify how the

5332
02:55:05,546 --> 02:55:07,946
business they run rents

5333
02:55:08,216 --> 02:55:08,950
effectively in the space.

5334
02:55:08,950 --> 02:55:12,550
I don't run the circuit court

5335
02:55:19,393 --> 02:55:19,493
so I need their input.

5336
02:55:19,493 --> 02:55:20,161
Hey

5337
02:55:20,161 --> 02:55:21,395
work with our design team in

5338
02:55:21,395 --> 02:55:21,996
our facilities construction

5339
02:55:21,996 --> 02:55:22,897
management team and they

5340
02:55:22,897 --> 02:55:23,631
incorporate their needs into

5341
02:55:23,631 --> 02:55:27,231
the final design and they have

5342
02:55:28,268 --> 02:55:29,270
an opportunity to provide the

5343
02:55:29,270 --> 02:55:29,904
feedback as to whether the

5344
02:55:29,904 --> 02:55:32,904
design would be sufficient for

5345
02:55:35,877 --> 02:55:36,911
what their needs are.

5346
02:55:36,911 --> 02:55:37,478
We anticipate we expect them to

5347
02:55:37,478 --> 02:55:38,379
be part of the process for

5348
02:55:38,379 --> 02:55:40,379
designing whatever facility

5349
02:55:43,818 --> 02:55:44,518
week instruct.

5350
02:55:44,518 --> 02:55:46,654
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

5351
02:55:46,654 --> 02:55:49,624
do we have to do any additional

5352
02:55:49,624 --> 02:55:52,240
digitizing documents and things

5353
02:55:54,362 --> 02:55:55,290
like that as we are building?

5354
02:55:55,290 --> 02:55:57,999
>> there MAY or MAY not be.

5355
02:55:57,999 --> 02:55:58,733
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

5356
02:55:58,733 --> 02:56:00,968
but that doesn't involve this.

5357
02:56:00,968 --> 02:56:03,271
In terms of cost.

5358
02:56:03,271 --> 02:56:04,872
>> we have done a loft of work

5359
02:56:04,872 --> 02:56:06,674
with the clerks recently

5360
02:56:06,674 --> 02:56:08,420
.

5361
02:56:08,420 --> 02:56:11,642
And think we had pretty good

5362
02:56:12,647 --> 02:56:13,581
success digitizing records and

5363
02:56:13,581 --> 02:56:15,950
we have a lot of space to be

5364
02:56:15,950 --> 02:56:16,516
repurposed.

5365
02:56:16,516 --> 02:56:18,886
There are also legal

5366
02:56:18,886 --> 02:56:21,886
requirements and we will be

5367
02:56:23,524 --> 02:56:24,458
taking that into account in

5368
02:56:24,458 --> 02:56:25,293
taking into account what we

5369
02:56:25,293 --> 02:56:27,293
design.

5370
02:56:27,828 --> 02:56:28,563
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

5371
02:56:28,563 --> 02:56:31,563
mentioned that because it has

5372
02:56:33,734 --> 02:56:35,734
to be.

5373
02:56:36,804 --> 02:56:37,538
I do appreciate the hard work

5374
02:56:37,538 --> 02:56:41,138
as it relates to the judicial

5375
02:56:42,243 --> 02:56:45,243
center because it hasn't been

5376
02:56:48,516 --> 02:56:49,150
done in a long time.

5377
02:56:49,150 --> 02:56:51,552
The security piece as well.

5378
02:56:51,552 --> 02:56:52,653
When I talk about elevators, is

5379
02:56:52,653 --> 02:56:54,388
that incorporated the security

5380
02:56:54,388 --> 02:56:56,388
piece in that?

5381
02:56:57,657 --> 02:57:00,657
what does that look like?

5382
02:57:01,629 --> 02:57:03,798
>> the whole building will have

5383
02:57:03,798 --> 02:57:05,798
access control

5384
02:57:06,167 --> 02:57:06,834
, video

5385
02:57:06,834 --> 02:57:09,234
recording, lots of different

5386
02:57:14,976 --> 02:57:15,176
things the sheriff's office

5387
02:57:15,176 --> 02:57:16,770
needs.

5388
02:57:16,770 --> 02:57:16,743
My team, the security team will

5389
02:57:16,743 --> 02:57:17,979
be part of the design process

5390
02:57:17,979 --> 02:57:22,179
to make sure we have the right

5391
02:57:22,583 --> 02:57:23,417
infrastructure into the

5392
02:57:23,417 --> 02:57:24,850
facility so it meets the

5393
02:57:24,850 --> 02:57:26,485
expectations of the sheriff's

5394
02:57:28,756 --> 02:57:29,290
office for what they need to do

5395
02:57:29,290 --> 02:57:30,570
.

5396
02:57:30,570 --> 02:57:30,391
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

5397
02:57:30,391 --> 02:57:31,125
thank you.

5398
02:57:31,125 --> 02:57:32,126
Thank you MADAM Chair.

5399
02:57:32,126 --> 02:57:33,127
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5400
02:57:33,127 --> 02:57:35,127
thank you supervisor.

5401
02:57:38,640 --> 02:57:38,798
Supervisor boddye.

5402
02:57:38,798 --> 02:57:39,800
>> Kenny Boddye: I appreciate.

5403
02:57:39,800 --> 02:57:40,735
I know we talked about it last

5404
02:57:40,735 --> 02:57:41,569
time you thought of designing

5405
02:57:41,569 --> 02:57:41,936
this in a way that can be

5406
02:57:41,936 --> 02:57:43,936
expanded later.

5407
02:57:44,138 --> 02:57:47,542
As we know right now it's so

5408
02:57:47,542 --> 02:57:48,409
tight at the existing center

5409
02:57:48,409 --> 02:57:51,409
they are taking space from

5410
02:57:53,948 --> 02:57:54,881
other offices, one of which is

5411
02:57:54,881 --> 02:57:59,810
in the chambers right now so I

5412
02:57:59,954 --> 02:58:00,521
wanted to highlight that.

5413
02:58:00,521 --> 02:58:02,921
My two questions, one.

5414
02:58:03,123 --> 02:58:04,250
I think I MAY have asked this

5415
02:58:04,250 --> 02:58:06,794
of the last time but is there

5416
02:58:06,794 --> 02:58:07,728
going to be space contemplated

5417
02:58:07,728 --> 02:58:10,128
for the public defenders

5418
02:58:11,198 --> 02:58:11,799
office?

5419
02:58:11,799 --> 02:58:13,340
>> that decision to my

5420
02:58:13,340 --> 02:58:13,734
knowledge has not been made.

5421
02:58:13,734 --> 02:58:17,934
I don't think if there is in

5422
02:58:18,806 --> 02:58:19,807
this new building.

5423
02:58:19,807 --> 02:58:20,474
Whether or not we make space

5424
02:58:20,474 --> 02:58:21,342
somewhere else, that's a

5425
02:58:21,342 --> 02:58:24,942
decision that will have to be

5426
02:58:25,346 --> 02:58:26,280
made later.

5427
02:58:26,280 --> 02:58:29,880
>> Kenny Boddye: I feel like I

5428
02:58:35,220 --> 02:58:35,723
have raised that before.

5429
02:58:35,723 --> 02:58:36,290
My second question and it goes

5430
02:58:36,290 --> 02:58:37,325
back to what supervisor

5431
02:58:37,325 --> 02:58:37,524
gordy

5432
02:58:37,524 --> 02:58:38,526
said.

5433
02:58:38,526 --> 02:58:39,260
This is a very utilitarian one

5434
02:58:39,260 --> 02:58:39,527
there are no bells and whistles

5435
02:58:39,527 --> 02:58:40,527
.

5436
02:58:40,527 --> 02:58:43,764
There are also ones that have

5437
02:58:43,764 --> 02:58:43,998
no more amenities and what have

5438
02:58:43,998 --> 02:58:44,699
you.

5439
02:58:44,699 --> 02:58:46,934
As you continue to go down the

5440
02:58:46,934 --> 02:58:47,602
road of looking at that, if

5441
02:58:47,602 --> 02:58:51,202
you're going to be a thought

5442
02:58:56,310 --> 02:58:56,911
about the fact we different

5443
02:58:56,911 --> 02:58:57,645
ecosystems of folks using the

5444
02:58:57,645 --> 02:58:59,380
parking garage someone will be

5445
02:58:59,380 --> 02:59:00,140
coming because they work in the

5446
02:59:00,140 --> 02:59:00,714
judicial center and others will

5447
02:59:00,714 --> 02:59:04,314
be coming because they MAY be

5448
02:59:06,854 --> 02:59:07,588
having their day in court.

5449
02:59:07,588 --> 02:59:09,891
We talked about the functional

5450
02:59:09,891 --> 02:59:10,491
design and how that MAY feed

5451
02:59:10,491 --> 02:59:11,592
into the infrastructure there?

5452
02:59:11,592 --> 02:59:12,360
>> we focused on how the garage

5453
02:59:12,360 --> 02:59:16,230
would work but as we get for

5454
02:59:16,230 --> 02:59:16,864
their own we understand the

5455
02:59:16,864 --> 02:59:17,698
city manasses does a lotta

5456
02:59:17,698 --> 02:59:20,534
history there and is being used

5457
02:59:20,534 --> 02:59:23,534
to support the court room.

5458
02:59:26,641 --> 02:59:27,542
I assume in the design process

5459
02:59:27,542 --> 02:59:31,742
we would try to weave that into

5460
02:59:40,521 --> 02:59:41,455
the design of the exterior of

5461
02:59:41,455 --> 02:59:42,456
the building so it blends in

5462
02:59:42,456 --> 02:59:42,957
and it is not a utilitarian

5463
02:59:42,957 --> 02:59:43,658
concrete building.

5464
02:59:43,658 --> 02:59:43,991
>> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

5465
02:59:43,991 --> 02:59:44,959
that.

5466
02:59:44,959 --> 02:59:46,627
Spoke also say if I can come to

5467
02:59:46,627 --> 02:59:46,827
reiterate the point that matt

5468
02:59:46,827 --> 02:59:47,395
made.

5469
02:59:47,395 --> 02:59:47,962
As we engage in insurance

5470
02:59:47,962 --> 02:59:50,962
office who escorts in some

5471
02:59:55,369 --> 02:59:57,369
cases

5472
02:59:58,439 --> 02:59:59,574
, the input would be there

5473
02:59:59,574 --> 03:00:00,174
and how we might design the

5474
03:00:00,174 --> 03:00:00,775
garage and away or make sure

5475
03:00:00,775 --> 03:00:01,175
traffic is flowing in a way

5476
03:00:01,175 --> 03:00:02,977
that is safe for

5477
03:00:02,977 --> 03:00:03,678
all involved.

5478
03:00:03,678 --> 03:00:04,445
>> Kenny Boddye: my last one

5479
03:00:04,445 --> 03:00:06,480
goes back to what you mentioned

5480
03:00:06,480 --> 03:00:09,480
earlier on linkedin some other

5481
03:00:15,890 --> 03:00:15,790
things for the new building.

5482
03:00:15,790 --> 03:00:16,190
You talk about solar, I

5483
03:00:16,190 --> 03:00:18,190
appreciate that.

5484
03:00:18,192 --> 03:00:18,960
Remind me, is this part in the

5485
03:00:18,960 --> 03:00:19,594
dominion territory?

5486
03:00:19,594 --> 03:00:23,194
>> it is in the city manasses.

5487
03:00:26,200 --> 03:00:26,934
>> Kenny Boddye: do they have a

5488
03:00:26,934 --> 03:00:27,768
connection fever solar?

5489
03:00:27,768 --> 03:00:28,402
>> I don't believe they do

5490
03:00:28,402 --> 03:00:31,402
because we will be putting

5491
03:00:32,673 --> 03:00:32,974
solar on top of the current

5492
03:00:32,974 --> 03:00:33,674
one.

5493
03:00:33,674 --> 03:00:35,420
>> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

5494
03:00:35,420 --> 03:00:35,676
that.

5495
03:00:35,676 --> 03:00:36,770
The significantly less cost so

5496
03:00:36,770 --> 03:00:36,978
thank you so much.

5497
03:00:36,978 --> 03:00:37,478
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5498
03:00:37,478 --> 03:00:39,478
thank you.

5499
03:00:42,250 --> 03:00:43,384
Supervisor vega?

5500
03:00:43,384 --> 03:00:43,583
>> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM

5501
03:00:43,583 --> 03:00:44,252
Chair.

5502
03:00:44,252 --> 03:00:44,518
Thank you for answering

5503
03:00:44,518 --> 03:00:45,987
questions.

5504
03:00:45,987 --> 03:00:46,854
To staff to meet with you and

5505
03:00:46,854 --> 03:00:49,854
acknowledge the clerk of the

5506
03:00:51,192 --> 03:00:53,294
court for candor in expressing

5507
03:00:53,294 --> 03:00:55,694
challenges we have had.

5508
03:00:56,630 --> 03:00:59,467
The content no surprise we care

5509
03:00:59,467 --> 03:01:00,835
about the dollars limit on

5510
03:01:00,835 --> 03:01:03,835
about the due 2 million needed

5511
03:01:04,710 --> 03:01:04,772
where are we at with current

5512
03:01:04,772 --> 03:01:07,172
investments in the existing

5513
03:01:09,143 --> 03:01:11,143
building.

5514
03:01:18,853 --> 03:01:19,860
>> in the current facility

5515
03:01:19,860 --> 03:01:21,860
, to

5516
03:01:22,890 --> 03:01:23,858
date we have spent 23.5 million

5517
03:01:23,858 --> 03:01:26,258
on different projects and 21

5518
03:01:26,593 --> 03:01:27,228
million we have ongoing

5519
03:01:27,228 --> 03:01:30,228
projects when total we have

5520
03:01:30,831 --> 03:01:32,867
about $45 million in projects

5521
03:01:32,867 --> 03:01:35,867
completed or ongoing right now

5522
03:01:37,805 --> 03:01:38,806
since 2018.

5523
03:01:38,806 --> 03:01:39,473
>> Yesli Vega: that is not

5524
03:01:39,473 --> 03:01:41,873
included in the 200 million?

5525
03:01:44,745 --> 03:01:45,679
>> it is not.

5526
03:01:45,679 --> 03:01:46,413
>> Yesli Vega: what is a

5527
03:01:46,413 --> 03:01:46,981
timeline in terms of completing

5528
03:01:46,981 --> 03:01:48,981
the outstanding work?

5529
03:01:50,218 --> 03:01:50,818
> the one that will take the

5530
03:01:50,818 --> 03:01:51,686
longest will be the av work

5531
03:01:51,686 --> 03:01:52,653
because it has to be done at

5532
03:01:52,653 --> 03:01:56,853
night and we have to shut down

5533
03:01:59,994 --> 03:02:00,695
a courtroom at a time.

5534
03:02:00,695 --> 03:02:01,162
We are looking another two

5535
03:02:01,162 --> 03:02:02,960
years at least.

5536
03:02:02,960 --> 03:02:03,464
>> Yesli Vega: and then

5537
03:02:03,464 --> 03:02:04,298
speaking about the challenges

5538
03:02:04,298 --> 03:02:05,166
and problematic corridors, can

5539
03:02:05,166 --> 03:02:07,802
you go into detail how we solve

5540
03:02:07,802 --> 03:02:10,802
the challenges in the future

5541
03:02:12,506 --> 03:02:13,400
building when it comes to the

5542
03:02:13,400 --> 03:02:15,400
jury assembly room?

5543
03:02:25,720 --> 03:02:26,988
>> the jury assembly space

5544
03:02:26,988 --> 03:02:30,588
would be segregated out on the

5545
03:02:35,663 --> 03:02:36,563
first level of the building.

5546
03:02:36,563 --> 03:02:37,198
The two blue scare stairs we

5547
03:02:37,198 --> 03:02:37,798
only used by the jurors and

5548
03:02:37,798 --> 03:02:38,650
judges

5549
03:02:38,650 --> 03:02:38,733
.

5550
03:02:38,733 --> 03:02:39,533
They wouldn't have to be

5551
03:02:39,533 --> 03:02:41,502
getting into the public

5552
03:02:41,502 --> 03:02:43,971
elevators and then they would

5553
03:02:43,971 --> 03:02:46,971
be taken upstairs to whatever

5554
03:02:52,646 --> 03:02:53,581
courtroom process.

5555
03:02:53,581 --> 03:02:54,514
On the levels two, three and

5556
03:02:54,514 --> 03:02:56,517
four, you can see where the

5557
03:02:56,517 --> 03:02:57,818
blue space is only for jurors

5558
03:02:57,818 --> 03:02:59,253
and judges which the orange

5559
03:02:59,253 --> 03:03:01,653
space separated from everybody

5560
03:03:05,860 --> 03:03:06,761
is the prisoner transport area

5561
03:03:06,761 --> 03:03:07,662
in the green spaces segregated

5562
03:03:07,662 --> 03:03:10,597
from the blue and orange space

5563
03:03:10,597 --> 03:03:10,798
as well

5564
03:03:10,798 --> 03:03:11,766
.

5565
03:03:11,766 --> 03:03:13,301
>> Yesli Vega: is it out of

5566
03:03:13,301 --> 03:03:13,501
convenience

5567
03:03:13,501 --> 03:03:15,303
.

5568
03:03:15,303 --> 03:03:16,300
This is something I don't know.

5569
03:03:16,300 --> 03:03:19,603
This is something we want to

5570
03:03:21,943 --> 03:03:23,878
keep the jury room -- can you

5571
03:03:23,878 --> 03:03:26,380
go back to the other slide?

5572
03:03:26,380 --> 03:03:27,810
The other one.

5573
03:03:27,810 --> 03:03:31,281
Is there a reason we want to

5574
03:03:31,352 --> 03:03:35,552
keep it next of the clerk of

5575
03:03:38,326 --> 03:03:39,250
courts office?

5576
03:03:39,250 --> 03:03:39,894
>> we are using levels two,

5577
03:03:39,894 --> 03:03:40,828
three and four forgive you

5578
03:03:40,828 --> 03:03:44,232
where to put that on another

5579
03:03:44,232 --> 03:03:45,660
floor you are using courtroom

5580
03:03:45,660 --> 03:03:46,234
space for cover thought

5581
03:03:46,234 --> 03:03:46,968
processes if you have a year

5582
03:03:46,968 --> 03:03:50,568
could pool there and then from

5583
03:03:52,406 --> 03:03:53,274
there the circuit court clerks

5584
03:03:53,274 --> 03:03:53,841
office would take them to

5585
03:03:53,841 --> 03:03:56,241
whatever court they are

5586
03:03:58,579 --> 03:03:59,579
assigned to.

5587
03:03:59,579 --> 03:04:00,248
>> Yesli Vega: I want to avoid

5588
03:04:00,248 --> 03:04:01,810
current issues in terms of

5589
03:04:01,810 --> 03:04:01,949
maximizing the space and not

5590
03:04:01,949 --> 03:04:02,683
having to go and take more and

5591
03:04:02,683 --> 03:04:05,860
more if we are talking about

5592
03:04:05,860 --> 03:04:08,686
growth in the coming years and

5593
03:04:09,257 --> 03:04:10,157
highlight the fact we can do a

5594
03:04:10,157 --> 03:04:14,357
better job in regards to how we

5595
03:04:14,728 --> 03:04:15,663
split up space in particular

5596
03:04:15,663 --> 03:04:16,564
with courtroom seven, which was

5597
03:04:16,564 --> 03:04:17,498
a huge investment and how much

5598
03:04:17,498 --> 03:04:18,499
we are utilizing it.

5599
03:04:18,499 --> 03:04:19,433
For us to take those into

5600
03:04:19,433 --> 03:04:20,100
consideration and learn from

5601
03:04:20,100 --> 03:04:23,601
them and to ensure we don't

5602
03:04:23,938 --> 03:04:25,940
keep making the same mistakes

5603
03:04:25,940 --> 03:04:26,730
over and over again

5604
03:04:26,730 --> 03:04:28,730
.

5605
03:04:30,878 --> 03:04:31,712
And then the last thing I

5606
03:04:31,712 --> 03:04:32,747
wanted to bring up is in the

5607
03:04:32,747 --> 03:04:33,446
presentation you identified the

5608
03:04:33,446 --> 03:04:35,846
master plan calls for 15

5609
03:04:37,518 --> 03:04:38,419
circuit court rooms, however,

5610
03:04:38,419 --> 03:04:40,819
there's only toby included.

5611
03:04:43,324 --> 03:04:44,250
Is

5612
03:04:44,250 --> 03:04:44,759
there a reason?

5613
03:04:44,759 --> 03:04:47,759
>> the feedback they gotten was

5614
03:04:53,568 --> 03:04:54,268
they were looking for 10 and

5615
03:04:54,268 --> 03:04:54,569
then they told us they needed

5616
03:04:54,569 --> 03:04:55,502
12.

5617
03:04:55,502 --> 03:04:56,204
>> Yesli Vega: not that I am

5618
03:04:56,204 --> 03:04:57,104
pushing for more courtrooms.

5619
03:04:57,104 --> 03:04:57,605
I just wanted to make sure that

5620
03:04:57,605 --> 03:04:59,639
it wasn't a typo.

5621
03:04:59,639 --> 03:04:59,941
I just wanted to be consistent

5622
03:04:59,941 --> 03:05:00,942
.

5623
03:05:00,942 --> 03:05:01,576
And then lastly MADAM Chair, we

5624
03:05:01,576 --> 03:05:01,909
are not approving anything

5625
03:05:01,909 --> 03:05:03,909
today.

5626
03:05:04,779 --> 03:05:05,479
Today is just a presentation.

5627
03:05:05,479 --> 03:05:06,280
Understand we vent challenges

5628
03:05:06,280 --> 03:05:07,480
but this opportunity to work

5629
03:05:07,480 --> 03:05:09,448
through those challenges and

5630
03:05:12,987 --> 03:05:13,988
make sure we have all key

5631
03:05:13,988 --> 03:05:14,989
stakeholders being a part of a

5632
03:05:14,989 --> 03:05:15,656
conversation to include our

5633
03:05:15,656 --> 03:05:16,230
constitutional officers.

5634
03:05:16,230 --> 03:05:17,525
Thank you.

5635
03:05:17,525 --> 03:05:19,126
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5636
03:05:19,126 --> 03:05:19,360
supervisor stewart

5637
03:05:19,360 --> 03:05:20,328
.

5638
03:05:20,328 --> 03:05:22,728
>> George Stewart: thank you

5639
03:05:23,998 --> 03:05:24,565
for your presentation.

5640
03:05:24,565 --> 03:05:26,965
I really appreciate it.

5641
03:05:28,435 --> 03:05:29,360
A couple of questions.

5642
03:05:29,360 --> 03:05:30,104
I agree with the point

5643
03:05:30,104 --> 03:05:32,504
supervisors gordy and daly

5644
03:05:42,160 --> 03:05:42,950
brought up about just how

5645
03:05:42,950 --> 03:05:43,584
expensive it would be too redo

5646
03:05:43,584 --> 03:05:47,184
the school for such a tiny

5647
03:05:53,561 --> 03:05:54,195
space.

5648
03:05:54,195 --> 03:05:55,229
But a couple things.

5649
03:05:55,229 --> 03:05:55,663
This archaeological study, is

5650
03:05:55,663 --> 03:05:57,431
there a plan.

5651
03:05:57,431 --> 03:05:57,798
Manasses is such a golden

5652
03:05:57,798 --> 03:05:58,499
historic place.

5653
03:05:58,499 --> 03:05:59,660
It would not surprise me if you

5654
03:05:59,660 --> 03:05:59,767
found something there.

5655
03:05:59,767 --> 03:06:02,904
Is there a planned is what to

5656
03:06:02,904 --> 03:06:07,104
do what is that branch off into

5657
03:06:08,276 --> 03:06:09,143
opening or perhaps another

5658
03:06:09,143 --> 03:06:12,143
issue of some sort about

5659
03:06:15,716 --> 03:06:16,617
preserving that space

5660
03:06:16,617 --> 03:06:17,718
, working

5661
03:06:17,718 --> 03:06:19,720
with the museum to remediate

5662
03:06:19,720 --> 03:06:21,255
and remove things

5663
03:06:21,255 --> 03:06:21,956
.

5664
03:06:21,956 --> 03:06:22,523
Is there a plan around that,

5665
03:06:22,523 --> 03:06:23,357
first of all?

5666
03:06:23,357 --> 03:06:26,160
>> there's a process we will

5667
03:06:26,160 --> 03:06:27,328
have to follow in accordance

5668
03:06:27,328 --> 03:06:27,995
with I believe the state laws

5669
03:06:27,995 --> 03:06:29,995
.

5670
03:06:33,670 --> 03:06:34,267
And we will follow that.

5671
03:06:34,267 --> 03:06:34,902
Current firm dewberry has a lot

5672
03:06:34,902 --> 03:06:37,805
of experience doing these types

5673
03:06:37,805 --> 03:06:39,307
of projects

5674
03:06:39,307 --> 03:06:40,740
.

5675
03:06:40,740 --> 03:06:40,975
When they come across something

5676
03:06:40,975 --> 03:06:41,776
we will have to make decisions

5677
03:06:41,776 --> 03:06:44,178
on what it is we've come

5678
03:06:44,178 --> 03:06:45,746
across, how to be deal with it

5679
03:06:45,746 --> 03:06:47,746
moving forward

5680
03:06:58,859 --> 03:06:59,894
.

5681
03:06:59,894 --> 03:07:00,494
until we get to that point, we

5682
03:07:00,494 --> 03:07:00,962
don't know what it is we are

5683
03:07:00,962 --> 03:07:01,963
going to find.

5684
03:07:01,963 --> 03:07:02,863
If it is artifacts and things,

5685
03:07:02,863 --> 03:07:03,531
we can look to incorporate that

5686
03:07:03,531 --> 03:07:04,332
in the new facility as part of

5687
03:07:04,332 --> 03:07:04,966
the displays or things

5688
03:07:04,966 --> 03:07:05,600
memorializing the bennett

5689
03:07:05,600 --> 03:07:06,634
school.

5690
03:07:06,634 --> 03:07:10,710
If there is something else we

5691
03:07:10,710 --> 03:07:10,271
follow that process

5692
03:07:10,271 --> 03:07:11,304
.

5693
03:07:11,304 --> 03:07:13,704
>> George Stewart: speaking of

5694
03:07:14,108 --> 03:07:17,108
which, I like supervisor gordy

5695
03:07:19,680 --> 03:07:19,780
idea about that

5696
03:07:19,780 --> 03:07:21,780
.

5697
03:07:22,515 --> 03:07:23,751
It's a touchstone bringing that

5698
03:07:23,751 --> 03:07:25,751
forward.

5699
03:07:28,422 --> 03:07:29,156
The other question I have.

5700
03:07:29,156 --> 03:07:32,156
What's happening now to ensure

5701
03:07:37,632 --> 03:07:38,366
the safety of jurors if they

5702
03:07:38,366 --> 03:07:39,133
don't have the proper spaces

5703
03:07:39,133 --> 03:07:41,533
for deliberation or for

5704
03:07:48,509 --> 03:07:49,243
assembly?

5705
03:07:49,243 --> 03:07:49,477
What is being done to keep them

5706
03:07:49,477 --> 03:07:51,145
safe?

5707
03:07:51,145 --> 03:07:51,746
>> the sheriff's office in the

5708
03:07:51,746 --> 03:07:52,613
hallways the process to do

5709
03:07:52,613 --> 03:07:53,614
their best to keep the judges

5710
03:07:53,614 --> 03:07:54,615
over their office staff popping

5711
03:07:54,615 --> 03:07:55,216
out in the hallways when they

5712
03:07:55,216 --> 03:07:56,917
are transporting presidents

5713
03:07:56,917 --> 03:07:57,652
back and forth.

5714
03:07:57,652 --> 03:08:00,652
The provide the security for

5715
03:08:00,922 --> 03:08:02,657
the jurors when they are moving

5716
03:08:02,657 --> 03:08:05,657
them in mass throughout the

5717
03:08:07,728 --> 03:08:08,396
building.

5718
03:08:08,396 --> 03:08:08,629
There's more to it but I can

5719
03:08:08,629 --> 03:08:10,629
provide

5720
03:08:12,990 --> 03:08:12,800
you the details.

5721
03:08:12,800 --> 03:08:13,734
Sheriff's office has processes

5722
03:08:13,734 --> 03:08:16,734
in place to provide security

5723
03:08:17,638 --> 03:08:18,239
for the jurors

5724
03:08:18,239 --> 03:08:19,730
.

5725
03:08:19,730 --> 03:08:20,174
>> George Stewart: thank you.

5726
03:08:20,174 --> 03:08:20,441
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5727
03:08:20,441 --> 03:08:21,275
all right.

5728
03:08:21,275 --> 03:08:22,760
We don't have anyone also thank

5729
03:08:22,760 --> 03:08:25,676
you so very much for this

5730
03:08:25,780 --> 03:08:27,381
presentation.

5731
03:08:27,381 --> 03:08:30,117
you don't have anything else?

5732
03:08:30,117 --> 03:08:30,451
We are done?

5733
03:08:30,451 --> 03:08:31,252
All the right.

5734
03:08:31,252 --> 03:08:35,452
We are going to go to agenda

5735
03:08:35,456 --> 03:08:37,456
item 11, supervisors time.

5736
03:08:39,560 --> 03:08:40,261
Before we go around the dais

5737
03:08:40,261 --> 03:08:41,162
there are three outstanding

5738
03:08:41,162 --> 03:08:42,563
items and I would like to take

5739
03:08:42,563 --> 03:08:44,563
the votes separately.

5740
03:08:45,466 --> 03:08:49,666
A couple of them I think will

5741
03:08:52,139 --> 03:08:53,174
have a significant discussion.

5742
03:08:53,174 --> 03:08:53,407
Can I get a motion to move 11 a

5743
03:08:53,407 --> 03:08:54,208
forward?

5744
03:08:54,208 --> 03:08:55,475
Properly moved and seconded.

5745
03:08:55,475 --> 03:08:58,613
Would like to call for the

5746
03:08:58,613 --> 03:09:00,613
vote.

5747
03:09:01,749 --> 03:09:03,749
>> supervisor angry?

5748
03:09:45,920 --> 03:09:46,360
>> Victor Angry: aye.

5749
03:09:46,360 --> 03:09:47,930
It is not displaying but I have

5750
03:09:47,930 --> 03:09:47,795
the vote. Unanimous.

5751
03:09:47,795 --> 03:09:47,995
Supervisor franklin absent from

5752
03:09:47,995 --> 03:09:48,796
vote.

5753
03:09:48,796 --> 03:09:49,730
> Deshundra Jefferson,

5754
03:09:49,730 --> 03:09:50,598
Mayor: we are going to move to

5755
03:09:50,598 --> 03:09:52,998
housing obtain ability fast

5756
03:09:54,535 --> 03:09:54,869
track measures

5757
03:09:54,869 --> 03:09:55,937
.

5758
03:09:55,937 --> 03:09:56,837
Supervisor boddye, I don't know

5759
03:09:56,837 --> 03:10:00,437
if you have anything you want

5760
03:10:00,775 --> 03:10:02,760
to speak to?

5761
03:10:02,760 --> 03:10:02,643
>> Kenny Boddye: I didn't know

5762
03:10:02,643 --> 03:10:03,211
if you want me to make the

5763
03:10:03,211 --> 03:10:06,211
motion or preamble a little

5764
03:10:10,117 --> 03:10:11,118
bit.

5765
03:10:11,118 --> 03:10:11,819
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5766
03:10:11,819 --> 03:10:12,753
if you want to make the motion

5767
03:10:12,753 --> 03:10:13,487
and we can of discussion within

5768
03:10:13,487 --> 03:10:14,387
that because I have one

5769
03:10:14,387 --> 03:10:16,857
question and something I would

5770
03:10:16,857 --> 03:10:17,580
like to amend

5771
03:10:17,580 --> 03:10:18,326
.

5772
03:10:18,326 --> 03:10:19,527
>> Kenny Boddye: I move 11 b

5773
03:10:19,527 --> 03:10:21,527
for approval

5774
03:10:23,731 --> 03:10:24,732
.

5775
03:10:24,732 --> 03:10:25,733
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5776
03:10:25,733 --> 03:10:26,233
it has been properly moved and

5777
03:10:26,233 --> 03:10:26,534
seconded.

5778
03:10:26,534 --> 03:10:28,534
Discussion.

5779
03:10:29,570 --> 03:10:30,238
I will kick it off.

5780
03:10:30,238 --> 03:10:31,172
On the second page of going to

5781
03:10:31,172 --> 03:10:31,272
ask for the clarification

5782
03:10:31,272 --> 03:10:33,272
.

5783
03:10:35,276 --> 03:10:36,143
Residential development weaver

5784
03:10:36,143 --> 03:10:39,143
reform and any other elements

5785
03:10:42,416 --> 03:10:43,284
in the scope of work of the

5786
03:10:43,284 --> 03:10:43,517
ordinance update related to

5787
03:10:43,517 --> 03:10:44,385
housing.

5788
03:10:44,385 --> 03:10:47,985
Can you clarify what you mean

5789
03:10:48,522 --> 03:10:49,290
by weaver reform?

5790
03:10:49,290 --> 03:10:51,826
>> Kenny Boddye: as anyone will

5791
03:10:51,826 --> 03:10:52,793
tell you, quite a few times now

5792
03:10:52,793 --> 03:10:54,562
when anyone comes through for

5793
03:10:54,562 --> 03:10:56,562
development residential they

5794
03:10:56,898 --> 03:11:00,498
have to request a law of

5795
03:11:03,838 --> 03:11:06,838
waivers of examples engraved on

5796
03:11:09,277 --> 03:11:10,278
this form, some other one where

5797
03:11:10,278 --> 03:11:11,512
whether it is a unit type,

5798
03:11:11,512 --> 03:11:13,912
setbacks, things like that.

5799
03:11:17,618 --> 03:11:18,552
When the zoning ordinance was

5800
03:11:18,552 --> 03:11:19,286
updated and created speaks to

5801
03:11:19,286 --> 03:11:22,256
an earlier time when we had

5802
03:11:22,256 --> 03:11:22,790
much more suburban and large

5803
03:11:22,790 --> 03:11:24,258
scale development.

5804
03:11:24,258 --> 03:11:26,928
It doesn't speak to what we're

5805
03:11:26,928 --> 03:11:27,940
trying to go

5806
03:11:27,940 --> 03:11:28,620
.

5807
03:11:28,620 --> 03:11:30,398
We are trying to have a more

5808
03:11:30,398 --> 03:11:30,665
compact design

5809
03:11:30,665 --> 03:11:31,499
, taller

5810
03:11:31,499 --> 03:11:33,899
buildings that are more

5811
03:11:37,772 --> 03:11:38,720
walkable uneven unit types

5812
03:11:38,720 --> 03:11:38,738
.

5813
03:11:38,738 --> 03:11:39,674
Right now a lot of folks to

5814
03:11:39,674 --> 03:11:42,443
come and if you want things

5815
03:11:42,443 --> 03:11:43,110
like duplexes

5816
03:11:43,110 --> 03:11:43,778
, things we really

5817
03:11:43,778 --> 03:11:47,378
want to go 2 to make more

5818
03:11:48,820 --> 03:11:48,783
housing stock, and lot of the

5819
03:11:48,783 --> 03:11:49,650
zoning districts don't allow

5820
03:11:49,650 --> 03:11:53,850
that so people have to ask for

5821
03:11:54,155 --> 03:11:54,388
waivers and ask for these

5822
03:11:54,388 --> 03:11:55,256
things.

5823
03:11:55,256 --> 03:11:58,326
We have a lot of concrete

5824
03:11:58,326 --> 03:11:58,959
examples where supervisor gordy

5825
03:11:58,959 --> 03:12:01,928
has done a lotta good work

5826
03:12:01,928 --> 03:12:02,496
trying to push developers to

5827
03:12:02,496 --> 03:12:04,699
have more unit types rather

5828
03:12:04,699 --> 03:12:05,266
than single-family homes and

5829
03:12:05,266 --> 03:12:07,680
townhouses but renowned the

5830
03:12:07,680 --> 03:12:09,468
zoning ordinance doesn't speak

5831
03:12:12,874 --> 03:12:13,841
to that.

5832
03:12:13,841 --> 03:12:14,375
If we want have better outcomes

5833
03:12:14,375 --> 03:12:15,376
we need to have more

5834
03:12:15,376 --> 03:12:16,344
flexibility for this because

5835
03:12:16,344 --> 03:12:19,944
otherwise if a developer has to

5836
03:12:22,490 --> 03:12:23,451
request waivers over and over

5837
03:12:23,451 --> 03:12:23,951
again for these issues it costs

5838
03:12:23,951 --> 03:12:24,751
time, money and more

5839
03:12:24,751 --> 03:12:27,151
negotiating ticket causes more

5840
03:12:29,123 --> 03:12:30,570
staff time because they have to

5841
03:12:30,570 --> 03:12:33,570
review every single waiver that

5842
03:12:34,295 --> 03:12:34,996
comes in.

5843
03:12:34,996 --> 03:12:35,796
If these waivers were baked

5844
03:12:35,796 --> 03:12:36,530
into the zoning ordinance we

5845
03:12:36,530 --> 03:12:38,399
would have better outcomes and

5846
03:12:38,399 --> 03:12:38,598
a much wider variety of unit

5847
03:12:38,598 --> 03:12:40,598
types.

5848
03:12:42,403 --> 03:12:43,371
All the things we like to see

5849
03:12:43,371 --> 03:12:46,371
as we talk about urbanizing

5850
03:12:50,811 --> 03:12:51,612
important areas of the county.

5851
03:12:51,612 --> 03:12:52,812
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5852
03:12:52,812 --> 03:12:53,281
I one more thing and I might

5853
03:12:53,281 --> 03:12:53,481
have to do a friendly

5854
03:12:53,481 --> 03:12:54,482
amendment.

5855
03:12:54,482 --> 03:12:54,949
Does anyone else have anything

5856
03:12:54,949 --> 03:12:55,449
they want to say?

5857
03:12:55,449 --> 03:12:57,449
Supervisor gordy.

5858
03:12:59,754 --> 03:13:00,688
>> Tom Gordy: I want to add on

5859
03:13:00,688 --> 03:13:01,689
a look at the opportunity for

5860
03:13:01,689 --> 03:13:04,890
like accessory living units,

5861
03:13:04,191 --> 03:13:04,825
particularly in an area where

5862
03:13:04,825 --> 03:13:06,561
parking is not a problem.

5863
03:13:06,561 --> 03:13:09,561
Larger lots could have a

5864
03:13:11,766 --> 03:13:14,166
basement apartment or limit

5865
03:13:19,440 --> 03:13:20,374
good that opportunity for

5866
03:13:20,374 --> 03:13:21,642
affordable housing in an area.

5867
03:13:21,642 --> 03:13:22,210
Or instance, folks who had 10

5868
03:13:22,210 --> 03:13:23,109
acre lots or five acre lots

5869
03:13:23,109 --> 03:13:26,109
they have an opportunity to

5870
03:13:29,160 --> 03:13:29,684
provide rental housing.

5871
03:13:29,684 --> 03:13:30,484
Incidentally I have a neighbor

5872
03:13:30,484 --> 03:13:34,840
of mine who is renting a

5873
03:13:35,623 --> 03:13:37,158
bedroom to a marine

5874
03:13:37,158 --> 03:13:37,892
.

5875
03:13:37,892 --> 03:13:38,793
What you were looking at some

5876
03:13:38,793 --> 03:13:39,660
of the folks we are trying to

5877
03:13:39,660 --> 03:13:43,260
support here who it MAY be

5878
03:13:44,732 --> 03:13:46,634
temporary housing

5879
03:13:46,634 --> 03:13:47,568
.

5880
03:13:47,568 --> 03:13:48,336
I know my wife and I when we

5881
03:13:48,336 --> 03:13:48,903
started our jobs out of college

5882
03:13:48,903 --> 03:13:49,770
we lived in the garage

5883
03:13:49,770 --> 03:13:49,904
apartment

5884
03:13:49,904 --> 03:13:50,605
.

5885
03:13:50,605 --> 03:13:50,705
That was our first home.

5886
03:13:50,705 --> 03:13:52,705
Nd

5887
03:13:59,814 --> 03:14:00,815
so the opportunity to move that

5888
03:14:00,815 --> 03:14:01,349
forward to get that done will

5889
03:14:01,349 --> 03:14:02,283
serve to help us address

5890
03:14:02,283 --> 03:14:04,283
affordability without actually

5891
03:14:05,486 --> 03:14:07,188
having to go have read zonings

5892
03:14:07,188 --> 03:14:10,188
or go through these challenging

5893
03:14:11,425 --> 03:14:12,426
applications.

5894
03:14:12,426 --> 03:14:12,693
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5895
03:14:12,693 --> 03:14:14,693
thank you.

5896
03:14:20,835 --> 03:14:21,569
So my concern is removing

5897
03:14:21,569 --> 03:14:22,436
smaller dwelling unit such as

5898
03:14:22,436 --> 03:14:23,738
tiny homes including under

5899
03:14:23,738 --> 03:14:25,205
certain circumstances reducing

5900
03:14:25,205 --> 03:14:26,407
or eliminating minimum lot

5901
03:14:26,407 --> 03:14:28,807
sizes, setbacks, and other

5902
03:14:30,578 --> 03:14:31,279
requirements.

5903
03:14:31,279 --> 03:14:32,790
Been trying to do reading to

5904
03:14:32,790 --> 03:14:32,713
catch up her tiny homes have

5905
03:14:32,713 --> 03:14:36,313
taken off but from what I

5906
03:14:43,570 --> 03:14:43,491
understand is not the same for

5907
03:14:43,491 --> 03:14:44,492
mobile homes.

5908
03:14:44,492 --> 03:14:45,192
That gives me concern

5909
03:14:45,192 --> 03:14:46,600
concerned about the long-term

5910
03:14:46,600 --> 03:14:46,994
impact about having tiny home

5911
03:14:46,994 --> 03:14:47,962
communities and are there

5912
03:14:47,962 --> 03:14:50,431
better ways I creating more

5913
03:14:50,431 --> 03:14:50,630
diverse affordable housing

5914
03:14:50,630 --> 03:14:50,698
stock

5915
03:14:50,698 --> 03:14:52,698
.

5916
03:14:54,235 --> 03:14:57,235
That was something I couldn't

5917
03:15:00,841 --> 03:15:02,143
make peace with.

5918
03:15:02,143 --> 03:15:03,744
If you are okay, I would like

5919
03:15:03,744 --> 03:15:06,681
to amend this and remove the

5920
03:15:06,681 --> 03:15:10,281
first bullet point I read on

5921
03:15:16,390 --> 03:15:17,391
the second page.

5922
03:15:17,391 --> 03:15:20,391
>> Kenny Boddye: tiny homes and

5923
03:15:23,164 --> 03:15:23,798
small homes like this, we have

5924
03:15:23,798 --> 03:15:24,599
to look to see how we are able

5925
03:15:24,599 --> 03:15:28,199
to based on what the general

5926
03:15:30,705 --> 03:15:31,404
assembly gives us.

5927
03:15:31,404 --> 03:15:33,640
Lonely follow-up would be be

5928
03:15:33,640 --> 03:15:34,609
able to if we slip this out now

5929
03:15:34,609 --> 03:15:37,900
have the possibility of

5930
03:15:39,313 --> 03:15:41,249
considering it later

5931
03:15:41,249 --> 03:15:42,249
.

5932
03:15:42,249 --> 03:15:42,917
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

5933
03:15:42,917 --> 03:15:43,784
I'm open to having discussion

5934
03:15:43,784 --> 03:15:46,784
and see what authorities the

5935
03:15:49,523 --> 03:15:50,224
general assembly gives us.

5936
03:15:50,224 --> 03:15:53,824
Having not enough examples I am

5937
03:15:54,896 --> 03:15:55,563
not comfortable with this.

5938
03:15:55,563 --> 03:15:59,763
And so you are okay with the

5939
03:16:05,806 --> 03:16:06,541
family amendment?

5940
03:16:06,541 --> 03:16:07,408
Supervisor bailey seconded it.

5941
03:16:07,408 --> 03:16:08,740
Any further discussion with

5942
03:16:08,740 --> 03:16:10,740
removing that?

5943
03:16:12,213 --> 03:16:12,947
I don't see

5944
03:16:12,947 --> 03:16:13,147
anything so I will call for the

5945
03:16:13,147 --> 03:16:15,147
vote

5946
03:16:19,787 --> 03:16:20,787
.

5947
03:16:20,787 --> 03:16:21,355
I don't have the vote on the

5948
03:16:21,355 --> 03:16:22,890
friendly amendment.

5949
03:16:22,890 --> 03:16:23,724
That's

5950
03:16:23,724 --> 03:16:26,124
what I am thinking

5951
03:16:29,931 --> 03:16:30,130
.

5952
03:16:30,130 --> 03:16:30,565
Okay.

5953
03:16:30,565 --> 03:16:32,330
Supervisor boddye.

5954
03:16:32,330 --> 03:16:35,330
>> Kenny Boddye: am not going

5955
03:16:38,339 --> 03:16:39,400
to wax poetic too much on this.

5956
03:16:39,400 --> 03:16:40,308
The basis of the resolution as

5957
03:16:40,308 --> 03:16:44,312
I said before and as is in the

5958
03:16:44,312 --> 03:16:45,213
resolution, this washington and

5959
03:16:45,213 --> 03:16:46,747
her staff are working to bring

5960
03:16:46,747 --> 03:16:47,248
forth a comprehensive zoning

5961
03:16:47,248 --> 03:16:49,248
ordinance update.

5962
03:16:50,751 --> 03:16:51,686
But we can't wait until 2027 to

5963
03:16:51,686 --> 03:16:54,288
fix the housing crisis quickly

5964
03:16:54,288 --> 03:16:57,288
adopted the conference and plan

5965
03:16:58,626 --> 03:16:59,594
at the end of 2022 and we are

5966
03:16:59,594 --> 03:17:00,962
2.5 years beyond that and we

5967
03:17:00,962 --> 03:17:01,696
don't have a zoning ordinance

5968
03:17:01,696 --> 03:17:03,631
that handshakes to the things I

5969
03:17:03,631 --> 03:17:05,631
talked about.

5970
03:17:10,838 --> 03:17:11,839
I appreciate supervisor gordy.

5971
03:17:11,839 --> 03:17:12,506
Then we go with read zonings,

5972
03:17:12,506 --> 03:17:13,474
proper amendments, all these

5973
03:17:13,474 --> 03:17:17,740
other things to do the larger

5974
03:17:19,213 --> 03:17:20,810
projects winamp options on the

5975
03:17:20,810 --> 03:17:20,781
table having that in law suite,

5976
03:17:20,781 --> 03:17:22,216
having the fully functional

5977
03:17:22,216 --> 03:17:22,883
kitchen outlawed in prince

5978
03:17:22,883 --> 03:17:23,684
william county.

5979
03:17:23,684 --> 03:17:26,684
Having the ability to allow

5980
03:17:27,540 --> 03:17:30,540
folks to have slightly larger

5981
03:17:31,192 --> 03:17:32,126
lots when they are able to put

5982
03:17:32,126 --> 03:17:35,726
a new apartment on there to

5983
03:17:36,163 --> 03:17:37,131
give folks more options.

5984
03:17:37,131 --> 03:17:39,131
We have overreaching

5985
03:17:41,536 --> 03:17:42,403
regulations created and not

5986
03:17:42,403 --> 03:17:44,171
reflect the reality of how

5987
03:17:44,171 --> 03:17:46,171
folks lived today.

5988
03:17:47,941 --> 03:17:48,643
Renault one in three households

5989
03:17:48,643 --> 03:17:49,477
in our county is cost burden

5990
03:17:49,477 --> 03:17:51,512
term for one people spending 30

5991
03:17:51,512 --> 03:17:52,313
percent of their income on

5992
03:17:52,313 --> 03:17:52,412
housing

5993
03:17:52,412 --> 03:17:54,412
.

5994
03:17:55,820 --> 03:17:58,682
It's no wonder the first time

5995
03:17:59,453 --> 03:17:59,754
home buyer is 40 years old in

5996
03:17:59,754 --> 03:18:01,754
this region.

5997
03:18:09,262 --> 03:18:10,298
On the average home price is no

5998
03:18:10,298 --> 03:18:10,898
$600,000 personal that renters

5999
03:18:10,898 --> 03:18:11,131
have anything better either

6000
03:18:11,131 --> 03:18:11,933
prevent

6001
03:18:11,933 --> 03:18:12,900
two-bedroom apartment

6002
03:18:12,900 --> 03:18:13,434
rents $2000 a month of ending

6003
03:18:13,434 --> 03:18:14,268
oreo trying to live.

6004
03:18:14,268 --> 03:18:16,204
That is not sustainable.

6005
03:18:16,204 --> 03:18:16,871
The prices is hurting our

6006
03:18:16,871 --> 03:18:19,271
younger residents on people

6007
03:18:19,473 --> 03:18:20,141
trying to get established and

6008
03:18:20,141 --> 03:18:23,141
move through their lives as

6009
03:18:24,779 --> 03:18:25,313
they work through their careers

6010
03:18:25,313 --> 03:18:25,947
.

6011
03:18:25,947 --> 03:18:26,247
I'm not going to talk about it

6012
03:18:26,247 --> 03:18:27,148
too much.

6013
03:18:27,148 --> 03:18:30,748
It's in the resolution but one

6014
03:18:34,222 --> 03:18:34,889
is creating a framework

6015
03:18:34,889 --> 03:18:35,723
allowing houses of worship to

6016
03:18:35,723 --> 03:18:36,157
build affordable housing on

6017
03:18:36,157 --> 03:18:36,857
their land.

6018
03:18:36,857 --> 03:18:37,792
Make it easier and faster for

6019
03:18:37,792 --> 03:18:38,559
them to go through the review

6020
03:18:38,559 --> 03:18:40,394
process for developing

6021
03:18:40,394 --> 03:18:40,628
accessory dwelling units

6022
03:18:40,628 --> 03:18:42,628
policy.

6023
03:18:46,167 --> 03:18:46,601
Number three is removing arista

6024
03:18:46,601 --> 03:18:47,635
smaller homes.

6025
03:18:47,635 --> 03:18:48,200
We talked about that and pulled

6026
03:18:48,200 --> 03:18:49,237
that out.

6027
03:18:49,237 --> 03:18:49,971
And evaluate the county owned

6028
03:18:49,971 --> 03:18:51,971
lands

6029
03:18:54,475 --> 03:18:55,176
.

6030
03:18:55,176 --> 03:18:56,811
We will be looking at parkland

6031
03:18:56,811 --> 03:18:57,311
but county owned land outside

6032
03:18:57,311 --> 03:19:00,311
of parks to create more

6033
03:19:01,549 --> 03:19:01,716
obtainable housing

6034
03:19:01,716 --> 03:19:02,683
.

6035
03:19:02,683 --> 03:19:05,683
Places like libraries and other

6036
03:19:08,122 --> 03:19:09,560
public facilities to allow us

6037
03:19:09,560 --> 03:19:09,924
to use the fact we use public

6038
03:19:09,924 --> 03:19:12,924
land that developer who comes

6039
03:19:14,829 --> 03:19:15,796
in without afterward about the

6040
03:19:15,796 --> 03:19:16,664
land cost to establish housing

6041
03:19:16,664 --> 03:19:17,331
which means that cost is

6042
03:19:17,331 --> 03:19:18,900
transferred to the eventual

6043
03:19:18,900 --> 03:19:20,234
homeowner or renter

6044
03:19:20,234 --> 03:19:22,234
.

6045
03:19:25,239 --> 03:19:28,839
We talked before and why we

6046
03:19:31,946 --> 03:19:32,947
should single use lots anymore.

6047
03:19:32,947 --> 03:19:33,581
To bring people closer to the

6048
03:19:33,581 --> 03:19:35,581
amenities they unveil

6049
03:19:40,720 --> 03:19:41,355
themselves on.

6050
03:19:41,355 --> 03:19:42,189
These were added by staff to

6051
03:19:42,189 --> 03:19:42,857
empower county workforce to

6052
03:19:42,857 --> 03:19:45,857
better do outreach, fit lots

6053
03:19:50,498 --> 03:19:51,980
better and be able to have

6054
03:19:51,980 --> 03:19:51,999
advanced tools for their

6055
03:19:51,999 --> 03:19:52,633
analyses pick I will finish

6056
03:19:52,633 --> 03:19:53,501
missing this prince william

6057
03:19:53,501 --> 03:19:54,502
county should have a place

6058
03:19:54,502 --> 03:19:55,369
where a nurse, schoolteacher

6059
03:19:55,369 --> 03:19:56,436
and everyone else makes our

6060
03:19:56,436 --> 03:19:59,607
lives better can afford to live

6061
03:19:59,607 --> 03:20:00,241
here but this represents a

6062
03:20:00,241 --> 03:20:01,442
meaningful step towards out and

6063
03:20:01,442 --> 03:20:03,842
makes prince william county

6064
03:20:05,346 --> 03:20:06,347
better for all.

6065
03:20:06,347 --> 03:20:06,948
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6066
03:20:06,948 --> 03:20:09,948
thank you so very much.

6067
03:20:13,540 --> 03:20:16,540
We can take our vote.

6068
03:20:17,191 --> 03:20:20,791
That is what I am saying.

6069
03:20:22,797 --> 03:20:23,798
I thought you were cleared out.

6070
03:20:23,798 --> 03:20:24,799
>> George Stewart: this is

6071
03:20:24,799 --> 03:20:26,100
directing staff to compile the

6072
03:20:26,100 --> 03:20:27,467
ordinance and bring it back to

6073
03:20:27,467 --> 03:20:27,535
us

6074
03:20:27,535 --> 03:20:29,535
.

6075
03:20:33,474 --> 03:20:34,442
Is there a way to do it

6076
03:20:34,442 --> 03:20:36,842
comprehensively as one whole

6077
03:20:38,346 --> 03:20:40,346
thing instead?

6078
03:20:43,217 --> 03:20:44,218
>> Kenny Boddye: yes unknown.

6079
03:20:44,218 --> 03:20:47,818
When this is happening as the

6080
03:20:48,222 --> 03:20:48,788
zoning ordinance update

6081
03:20:48,788 --> 03:20:49,900
corporate housing but

6082
03:20:49,900 --> 03:20:49,790
commercial

6083
03:20:49,790 --> 03:20:51,790
spaces, mixed-use and

6084
03:20:53,361 --> 03:20:54,610
a bunch of other things.

6085
03:20:54,610 --> 03:20:54,996
It peels out the things that

6086
03:20:54,996 --> 03:20:57,996
pertain to housing and brings

6087
03:20:59,433 --> 03:21:00,434
back all those comprehensively

6088
03:21:00,434 --> 03:21:01,335
for us that's why one of the

6089
03:21:01,335 --> 03:21:02,603
other bullets says anything

6090
03:21:02,603 --> 03:21:06,203
that deals with housing all the

6091
03:21:06,240 --> 03:21:07,874
housing stuff would come

6092
03:21:07,874 --> 03:21:10,874
pensively but it comes before

6093
03:21:11,978 --> 03:21:14,378
the commercial and non-piece

6094
03:21:14,749 --> 03:21:15,583
of the update.

6095
03:21:15,583 --> 03:21:17,217
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6096
03:21:17,217 --> 03:21:18,452
I apologize.

6097
03:21:18,452 --> 03:21:20,452
All right.

6098
03:21:26,794 --> 03:21:27,762
Let's go ahead if there's

6099
03:21:27,762 --> 03:21:28,610
nothing else.

6100
03:21:28,610 --> 03:21:28,362
No one else?

6101
03:21:28,362 --> 03:21:28,663
Kay.

6102
03:21:28,663 --> 03:21:30,663
Let's vote.

6103
03:21:47,949 --> 03:21:50,349
That was a yes.

6104
03:21:50,718 --> 03:21:52,718
>> motion passes unanimously.

6105
03:21:52,954 --> 03:21:55,354
Supervisor franklin and vega

6106
03:22:03,130 --> 03:22:04,165
absent from vote.

6107
03:22:04,165 --> 03:22:05,132
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6108
03:22:05,132 --> 03:22:05,766
we are moving to 11 c and let

6109
03:22:05,766 --> 03:22:06,634
us dissolve the prince william

6110
03:22:06,634 --> 03:22:07,235
county arts council put forth.

6111
03:22:07,235 --> 03:22:07,702
I don't know if you have

6112
03:22:07,702 --> 03:22:08,636
anything to say.

6113
03:22:08,636 --> 03:22:11,636
Because you don't sound so

6114
03:22:18,646 --> 03:22:19,413
good.

6115
03:22:19,413 --> 03:22:20,615
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6116
03:22:20,615 --> 03:22:21,616
I have a lot of questions but

6117
03:22:21,616 --> 03:22:24,850
seeing as you are not here and

6118
03:22:24,850 --> 03:22:25,119
feeling well I have a lot of

6119
03:22:25,119 --> 03:22:26,387
reservations about this because

6120
03:22:26,387 --> 03:22:26,621
there are too many questions

6121
03:22:26,621 --> 03:22:27,588
for me.

6122
03:22:27,588 --> 03:22:31,188
Who is going to lead this

6123
03:22:32,493 --> 03:22:33,127
nonprofit.

6124
03:22:33,127 --> 03:22:33,494
Why hasn't it been up and

6125
03:22:33,494 --> 03:22:34,495
running.

6126
03:22:34,495 --> 03:22:37,495
Why not working with existing

6127
03:22:39,567 --> 03:22:40,234
groups.

6128
03:22:40,234 --> 03:22:41,680
What would be the roll and

6129
03:22:41,680 --> 03:22:42,637
hearing from members of the

6130
03:22:42,637 --> 03:22:42,904
arts council they had a lot of

6131
03:22:42,904 --> 03:22:43,637
concerns.

6132
03:22:43,637 --> 03:22:47,237
They don't feel they had a

6133
03:22:48,409 --> 03:22:49,176
proper head's up in discussion.

6134
03:22:49,176 --> 03:22:50,110
And so for those reasons I will

6135
03:22:50,110 --> 03:22:52,411
be voting against this,

6136
03:22:56,284 --> 03:22:56,484
however, I would like to go

6137
03:22:56,484 --> 03:22:57,385
ahead.

6138
03:22:57,385 --> 03:22:59,387
I don't know if you would like

6139
03:22:59,387 --> 03:22:59,887
to do the motion, victor?

6140
03:22:59,887 --> 03:23:02,287
Is there a second?

6141
03:23:08,763 --> 03:23:09,764
Move it and seconded.

6142
03:23:09,764 --> 03:23:10,264
Will give the second two

6143
03:23:10,264 --> 03:23:11,980
supervisor bailey.

6144
03:23:11,980 --> 03:23:14,980
Any further discussion on this?

6145
03:23:22,476 --> 03:23:23,177
Go on.

6146
03:23:23,177 --> 03:23:24,780
>> Tom Gordy: I appreciate

6147
03:23:24,780 --> 03:23:24,979
everyone who came out to speak

6148
03:23:24,979 --> 03:23:28,579
and I had phone calls from

6149
03:23:28,649 --> 03:23:30,649
concerned constituents.

6150
03:23:32,520 --> 03:23:34,550
The best I can tell, we have

6151
03:23:34,550 --> 03:23:35,856
some personality conflicts and

6152
03:23:35,856 --> 03:23:39,456
that seems to be what is

6153
03:23:41,862 --> 03:23:44,262
driving the challenges related

6154
03:23:47,268 --> 03:23:49,668
to the arts council.

6155
03:23:50,938 --> 03:23:51,906
I believe in reconciliation.

6156
03:23:51,906 --> 03:23:53,700
I believe people need to come

6157
03:23:53,700 --> 03:23:56,700
together and work out their

6158
03:23:57,879 --> 03:23:58,980
differences.

6159
03:23:58,980 --> 03:24:02,350
Regardless of what we do here

6160
03:24:02,350 --> 03:24:04,352
today, that still needs to

6161
03:24:04,352 --> 03:24:06,352
happen.

6162
03:24:07,488 --> 03:24:08,489
No matter what we do next, the

6163
03:24:08,489 --> 03:24:12,890
problem is still going to be

6164
03:24:14,662 --> 03:24:15,262
there.

6165
03:24:15,262 --> 03:24:18,262
The one challenge I have

6166
03:24:19,834 --> 03:24:20,768
someone who runs a nonprofit in

6167
03:24:20,768 --> 03:24:22,169
my civilian job I know how much

6168
03:24:22,169 --> 03:24:25,306
it takes to get a nonprofit up

6169
03:24:25,306 --> 03:24:27,306
and running.

6170
03:24:31,879 --> 03:24:33,140
You have to go intimate the

6171
03:24:33,140 --> 03:24:33,781
paperwork and get approved and

6172
03:24:33,781 --> 03:24:34,115
that would take six months in

6173
03:24:34,115 --> 03:24:34,982
and of itself.

6174
03:24:34,982 --> 03:24:35,783
We could be talking about the

6175
03:24:35,783 --> 03:24:38,183
year before nonprofit could

6176
03:24:38,786 --> 03:24:40,720
even be established in order to

6177
03:24:40,720 --> 03:24:41,656
provide the continuity of what

6178
03:24:41,656 --> 03:24:44,656
we are talking about here.

6179
03:24:45,927 --> 03:24:47,927
I

6180
03:24:47,929 --> 03:24:48,129
know the motion is on the floor

6181
03:24:48,129 --> 03:24:49,630
.

6182
03:24:49,630 --> 03:24:52,630
Given the fact supervisor angry

6183
03:24:55,836 --> 03:24:58,539
is not here and wish he was and

6184
03:24:58,539 --> 03:24:59,173
he was able to speak.

6185
03:24:59,173 --> 03:25:00,141
I'm really praying for you.

6186
03:25:00,141 --> 03:25:03,141
That sounds really bad what

6187
03:25:03,811 --> 03:25:04,512
you're dealing with.

6188
03:25:04,512 --> 03:25:05,546
Maybe we could do for this to

6189
03:25:05,546 --> 03:25:07,546
JANUARY

6190
03:25:08,149 --> 03:25:10,149
.

6191
03:25:10,318 --> 03:25:14,288
From what I am hearing on the

6192
03:25:14,288 --> 03:25:14,989
resolutions calling for a

6193
03:25:14,989 --> 03:25:16,757
nonprofit to be established

6194
03:25:16,757 --> 03:25:19,757
outside the county purview, but

6195
03:25:29,136 --> 03:25:29,770
I'm here in the potential of an

6196
03:25:29,770 --> 03:25:30,304
arts commission being

6197
03:25:30,304 --> 03:25:30,938
established by the county.

6198
03:25:30,938 --> 03:25:31,639
And I would like to get clarity

6199
03:25:31,639 --> 03:25:32,706
what the next steps are on the

6200
03:25:32,706 --> 03:25:33,307
direction we are going to go

6201
03:25:33,307 --> 03:25:34,750
and if we are going to move

6202
03:25:34,750 --> 03:25:34,742
from one to the next I think

6203
03:25:34,742 --> 03:25:35,443
there needs to be a seamless

6204
03:25:35,443 --> 03:25:36,210
transition rather than a gap in

6205
03:25:36,210 --> 03:25:39,146
order for us to maintain the

6206
03:25:39,146 --> 03:25:39,881
continuity

6207
03:25:39,881 --> 03:25:41,616
, and in the meantime

6208
03:25:41,616 --> 03:25:42,250
hopefully we can find out the

6209
03:25:42,250 --> 03:25:44,650
basis of these relational

6210
03:25:45,753 --> 03:25:49,353
conflict and seek to get that

6211
03:25:51,893 --> 03:25:52,593
resolved so that whatever

6212
03:25:52,593 --> 03:25:53,594
happens next moves forward in

6213
03:25:53,594 --> 03:25:53,794
unity and that's my perspective

6214
03:25:53,794 --> 03:25:55,794
on it.

6215
03:26:00,668 --> 03:26:01,302
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6216
03:26:01,302 --> 03:26:01,736
supervisor angry, I know you

6217
03:26:01,736 --> 03:26:02,803
are not well.

6218
03:26:02,803 --> 03:26:03,771
How do you feel about deferring

6219
03:26:03,771 --> 03:26:04,171
this until you are here for the

6220
03:26:04,171 --> 03:26:06,171
discussion?

6221
03:26:08,276 --> 03:26:10,276
>> Victor Angry: okay.

6222
03:26:12,980 --> 03:26:15,980
This is hard to talk.

6223
03:26:17,652 --> 03:26:18,653
Can I send an email to someone?

6224
03:26:18,653 --> 03:26:19,720
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6225
03:26:19,720 --> 03:26:24,520
for the record I did get a text

6226
03:26:27,361 --> 03:26:28,296
from supervisor angry and he

6227
03:26:28,296 --> 03:26:28,963
says it's pointless to defer.

6228
03:26:28,963 --> 03:26:29,797
S that how you feel?

6229
03:26:29,797 --> 03:26:31,499
Because we can continue the

6230
03:26:31,499 --> 03:26:32,500
discussion.

6231
03:26:32,500 --> 03:26:32,700
>> Victor Angry: is that how I

6232
03:26:32,700 --> 03:26:34,700
feel?

6233
03:26:37,771 --> 03:26:38,406
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6234
03:26:38,406 --> 03:26:39,140
you do not want to differ?

6235
03:26:39,140 --> 03:26:40,700
>> Victor Angry: no.

6236
03:26:40,700 --> 03:26:40,942
> Deshundra Jefferson,

6237
03:26:40,942 --> 03:26:41,275
Mayor: I'm going to continue

6238
03:26:41,275 --> 03:26:43,275
on.

6239
03:26:47,915 --> 03:26:48,716
Supervisor vega?

6240
03:26:48,716 --> 03:26:49,150
>> Yesli Vega: supervisor angry

6241
03:26:49,150 --> 03:26:49,917
is here.

6242
03:26:49,917 --> 03:26:50,585
He is not here physically but

6243
03:26:50,585 --> 03:26:51,519
he is here and I think his

6244
03:26:51,519 --> 03:26:52,253
intent has been made clear.

6245
03:26:52,253 --> 03:26:52,553
It's not the first time we

6246
03:26:52,553 --> 03:26:52,920
heard

6247
03:26:52,920 --> 03:26:53,588
about this.

6248
03:26:53,588 --> 03:26:54,121
That's why we will make a

6249
03:26:54,121 --> 03:26:55,122
decision here today.

6250
03:26:55,122 --> 03:26:56,190
Let's address the elephant in

6251
03:26:56,190 --> 03:26:56,824
the room.

6252
03:26:56,824 --> 03:26:57,580
I understand what you are

6253
03:26:57,580 --> 03:26:59,580
saying.

6254
03:27:00,728 --> 03:27:01,762
I just don't think we are at a

6255
03:27:01,762 --> 03:27:04,932
point where we are going to fix

6256
03:27:04,932 --> 03:27:05,600
the problems that have been

6257
03:27:05,600 --> 03:27:07,969
going on for a long time but

6258
03:27:07,969 --> 03:27:08,135
you've seen the emails

6259
03:27:08,135 --> 03:27:09,360
, some

6260
03:27:09,360 --> 03:27:09,937
very nasty personal attacks

6261
03:27:09,937 --> 03:27:12,937
have flown back and forth.

6262
03:27:15,877 --> 03:27:16,878
The reality is and is not the

6263
03:27:16,878 --> 03:27:19,878
boards job or his department

6264
03:27:20,948 --> 03:27:21,616
job to babysit this counsel.

6265
03:27:21,616 --> 03:27:22,516
I believe the next course of

6266
03:27:22,516 --> 03:27:24,185
action imprudent one would be

6267
03:27:24,185 --> 03:27:27,185
too establish a nonprofit so

6268
03:27:29,957 --> 03:27:30,725
they can go ahead and manage

6269
03:27:30,725 --> 03:27:30,891
things in a much more efficient

6270
03:27:30,891 --> 03:27:31,525
way.

6271
03:27:31,525 --> 03:27:32,526
O for that reason I'm

6272
03:27:32,526 --> 03:27:34,195
going to be supporting this

6273
03:27:34,195 --> 03:27:36,195
initiative.

6274
03:27:39,333 --> 03:27:40,100
I do hope and I believe this

6275
03:27:40,100 --> 03:27:40,902
nonprofit will be started up

6276
03:27:40,902 --> 03:27:41,836
fairly quickly because we heard

6277
03:27:41,836 --> 03:27:42,502
from a lot of passionate folks

6278
03:27:42,502 --> 03:27:43,971
who are passionate about the

6279
03:27:43,971 --> 03:27:48,171
arts and I know they won't let

6280
03:27:51,412 --> 03:27:52,313
this initiative fall through

6281
03:27:52,313 --> 03:27:52,513
the cracks so I call for the

6282
03:27:52,513 --> 03:27:53,481
vote.

6283
03:27:53,481 --> 03:27:54,315
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6284
03:27:54,315 --> 03:27:54,982
I have two other people.

6285
03:27:54,982 --> 03:27:55,816
Supervisor bailey?

6286
03:27:55,816 --> 03:27:58,216
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

6287
03:27:59,120 --> 03:28:01,520
thank you MADAM Chair.

6288
03:28:06,928 --> 03:28:07,962
I agree with supervisor vega.

6289
03:28:07,962 --> 03:28:08,563
Think because of how strong and

6290
03:28:08,563 --> 03:28:11,232
dedicated folks are to the

6291
03:28:11,232 --> 03:28:12,990
passion of arts, they will

6292
03:28:12,990 --> 03:28:13,340
continue to make sure that the

6293
03:28:13,340 --> 03:28:14,235
community gets the benefit of

6294
03:28:14,235 --> 03:28:15,703
that.

6295
03:28:15,703 --> 03:28:17,505
I think we are at a point where

6296
03:28:17,505 --> 03:28:19,505
make it decision.

6297
03:28:23,110 --> 03:28:24,450
I brought this forward and it

6298
03:28:24,450 --> 03:28:26,747
was somewhat of a surprise to

6299
03:28:26,747 --> 03:28:27,648
most of my colleagues, but I

6300
03:28:27,648 --> 03:28:29,116
brought this forward where we

6301
03:28:29,116 --> 03:28:31,516
are discussing this today.

6302
03:28:31,819 --> 03:28:34,880
I think we need to move

6303
03:28:34,880 --> 03:28:35,957
forward, start on over them in

6304
03:28:35,957 --> 03:28:37,857
some senses.

6305
03:28:37,857 --> 03:28:42,570
We do need to have the tough

6306
03:28:44,165 --> 03:28:45,132
discussions we need to move

6307
03:28:45,132 --> 03:28:45,399
forward so we can serve the

6308
03:28:45,399 --> 03:28:47,399
community.

6309
03:28:47,501 --> 03:28:47,602
I will be supporting this

6310
03:28:47,602 --> 03:28:48,569
.

6311
03:28:48,569 --> 03:28:49,136
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6312
03:28:49,136 --> 03:28:51,136
supervisor stewart?

6313
03:28:53,674 --> 03:28:56,770
>> George Stewart: I had a

6314
03:28:56,770 --> 03:28:56,677
friend who was very upset

6315
03:28:56,677 --> 03:28:59,770
living in new york.

6316
03:29:06,621 --> 03:29:07,488
I think

6317
03:29:07,488 --> 03:29:08,489
she wanted to move to phoenix

6318
03:29:08,489 --> 03:29:09,123
and she goes new york is done

6319
03:29:09,123 --> 03:29:10,240
with me I'm going to move to

6320
03:29:10,240 --> 03:29:10,691
phoenix and I said guess who is

6321
03:29:10,691 --> 03:29:11,920
going to be waiting for you at

6322
03:29:11,920 --> 03:29:11,259
baggage claim.

6323
03:29:11,259 --> 03:29:13,259
You.

6324
03:29:15,930 --> 03:29:16,931
We bring our problems with us.

6325
03:29:16,931 --> 03:29:19,931
If there is a personality

6326
03:29:21,135 --> 03:29:21,736
conflict

6327
03:29:21,736 --> 03:29:22,737
, the new folks are

6328
03:29:22,737 --> 03:29:26,937
going to bring it to the new

6329
03:29:28,576 --> 03:29:29,243
location.

6330
03:29:29,243 --> 03:29:32,243
I agree with the supervisor

6331
03:29:32,480 --> 03:29:33,180
gordy on it.

6332
03:29:33,180 --> 03:29:34,181
This might be an opportunity

6333
03:29:34,181 --> 03:29:37,781
where if you do differ it

6334
03:29:39,620 --> 03:29:40,288
, and

6335
03:29:40,288 --> 03:29:41,188
gives them time to get their

6336
03:29:41,188 --> 03:29:45,388
stuff in one sock and work it

6337
03:29:46,427 --> 03:29:47,428
out.

6338
03:29:47,428 --> 03:29:48,429
I would like to give them the

6339
03:29:48,429 --> 03:29:51,399
opportunity to go ahead and do

6340
03:29:51,399 --> 03:29:53,399
that.

6341
03:29:53,734 --> 03:29:55,436
There's a law that passion.

6342
03:29:55,436 --> 03:29:55,970
I've been playing music since I

6343
03:29:55,970 --> 03:29:58,370
was eight years old.

6344
03:29:59,907 --> 03:30:02,307
Clarinet in the saxophone.

6345
03:30:04,712 --> 03:30:05,379
I still played today.

6346
03:30:05,379 --> 03:30:07,779
I just realized that's 50

6347
03:30:09,917 --> 03:30:11,917
years.

6348
03:30:15,957 --> 03:30:17,792
Anyway, I think we should give

6349
03:30:17,792 --> 03:30:18,526
it a month.

6350
03:30:18,526 --> 03:30:21,280
If we are going to call for the

6351
03:30:21,280 --> 03:30:22,930
vote, we are going to call for

6352
03:30:22,930 --> 03:30:23,931
the vote.

6353
03:30:23,931 --> 03:30:25,931
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6354
03:30:26,734 --> 03:30:29,370
supervisor boddye I am of two

6355
03:30:29,370 --> 03:30:31,339
minds on this because I bridget

6356
03:30:31,339 --> 03:30:33,474
the folks who came to speak

6357
03:30:33,474 --> 03:30:37,740
today and I understand all this

6358
03:30:38,450 --> 03:30:41,782
was a surprise to them how this

6359
03:30:41,782 --> 03:30:42,516
was put on the agenda.

6360
03:30:42,516 --> 03:30:45,786
At the same time, these issues

6361
03:30:45,786 --> 03:30:46,454
are not new.

6362
03:30:46,454 --> 03:30:47,355
Even before the emails we

6363
03:30:47,355 --> 03:30:50,955
received over the last two or

6364
03:30:51,225 --> 03:30:54,825
three months, we know there has

6365
03:30:54,961 --> 03:30:55,830
been a lot of tension festering

6366
03:30:55,830 --> 03:30:56,564
there has been a lot of issues

6367
03:30:56,564 --> 03:31:00,164
around the folks that have been

6368
03:31:00,200 --> 03:31:00,434
a part of this

6369
03:31:00,434 --> 03:31:01,680
.

6370
03:31:01,680 --> 03:31:02,336
I do not want to diminish the

6371
03:31:02,336 --> 03:31:03,700
work that counsel has done.

6372
03:31:03,700 --> 03:31:07,174
They have done a lot of great

6373
03:31:07,174 --> 03:31:07,308
work since the beginning

6374
03:31:07,308 --> 03:31:08,309
.

6375
03:31:08,309 --> 03:31:11,145
The progress mentioned in the

6376
03:31:11,145 --> 03:31:11,879
resolution put to a nonprofit

6377
03:31:11,879 --> 03:31:15,383
are proof in the pudding they

6378
03:31:15,383 --> 03:31:18,383
do good work and there's

6379
03:31:19,554 --> 03:31:20,288
obviously a place for arts and

6380
03:31:20,288 --> 03:31:20,621
we promote the arts in the

6381
03:31:20,621 --> 03:31:21,550
county.

6382
03:31:21,550 --> 03:31:24,655
T the same time I am

6383
03:31:25,493 --> 03:31:28,930
always one to look for other

6384
03:31:28,930 --> 03:31:29,497
other folks doing this work you

6385
03:31:29,497 --> 03:31:30,197
could connect with.

6386
03:31:30,197 --> 03:31:32,597
The prince william arts

6387
03:31:33,801 --> 03:31:34,569
society.

6388
03:31:34,569 --> 03:31:38,169
I don't know if anyone reached

6389
03:31:39,774 --> 03:31:40,441
out to them to see if someone

6390
03:31:40,441 --> 03:31:41,341
wanted to continue this from

6391
03:31:41,341 --> 03:31:43,440
the arts council would join up

6392
03:31:43,440 --> 03:31:43,611
with art society that is a

6393
03:31:43,611 --> 03:31:45,611
pre-existing group.

6394
03:31:48,216 --> 03:31:48,549
There

6395
03:31:48,549 --> 03:31:48,916
might be some

6396
03:31:48,916 --> 03:31:49,850
there that there

6397
03:31:49,850 --> 03:31:50,510
is a going to be a huge span of

6398
03:31:50,510 --> 03:31:51,418
time.

6399
03:31:51,418 --> 03:31:53,818
They can approach an

6400
03:31:55,523 --> 03:31:56,624
existing one.

6401
03:31:56,624 --> 03:31:59,600
Worked in partnership with arts

6402
03:31:59,600 --> 03:32:00,695
council

6403
03:32:00,695 --> 03:32:01,562
.

6404
03:32:01,562 --> 03:32:02,163
I don't think I will be

6405
03:32:02,163 --> 03:32:04,599
speaking to much when I say

6406
03:32:04,599 --> 03:32:05,600
they would be staff support

6407
03:32:05,600 --> 03:32:06,267
should they have the next

6408
03:32:06,267 --> 03:32:07,133
endeavor, especially if they go

6409
03:32:07,133 --> 03:32:10,104
to the art society and find

6410
03:32:10,104 --> 03:32:12,104
partnership with them.

6411
03:32:12,540 --> 03:32:14,508
Emerge all the time when they

6412
03:32:14,508 --> 03:32:17,508
find the missions are aligned.

6413
03:32:21,282 --> 03:32:21,983
The good of economies of scale

6414
03:32:21,983 --> 03:32:22,849
and connecting with an existing

6415
03:32:22,849 --> 03:32:23,784
group linked art society MAY

6416
03:32:23,784 --> 03:32:25,186
allow there to be a stabilized

6417
03:32:25,186 --> 03:32:29,386
first the other folks are not a

6418
03:32:32,192 --> 03:32:33,194
part of the trauma.

6419
03:32:33,194 --> 03:32:36,194
, we will be supporting the

6420
03:32:37,565 --> 03:32:38,466
solution know I won't one to

6421
03:32:38,466 --> 03:32:39,467
diminish the work being done, I

6422
03:32:39,467 --> 03:32:40,401
don't want to diminish the work

6423
03:32:40,401 --> 03:32:40,935
that has been done by my

6424
03:32:40,935 --> 03:32:41,669
appointee and I hope we

6425
03:32:41,669 --> 03:32:44,669
continue to support the arts

6426
03:32:45,273 --> 03:32:45,672
council as they look at their

6427
03:32:45,672 --> 03:32:46,173
next chapter.

6428
03:32:46,173 --> 03:32:48,173
Hank you MADAM

6429
03:32:53,748 --> 03:32:54,715
Chair.

6430
03:32:54,715 --> 03:32:55,216
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6431
03:32:55,216 --> 03:32:56,217
hold on.

6432
03:32:56,217 --> 03:32:56,883
Supervisor gordy, did you have

6433
03:32:56,883 --> 03:32:57,285
something else he wanted to

6434
03:32:57,285 --> 03:32:59,285
add?

6435
03:33:00,620 --> 03:33:01,322
>> Tom Gordy: to clarify, begin

6436
03:33:01,322 --> 03:33:02,189
I'm still confused on whether

6437
03:33:02,189 --> 03:33:02,889
the next move according to the

6438
03:33:02,889 --> 03:33:05,693
resolution says nonprofit but I

6439
03:33:05,693 --> 03:33:06,694
am hearing the potential for a

6440
03:33:06,694 --> 03:33:09,430
commission as a directive, next

6441
03:33:09,430 --> 03:33:10,665
month.

6442
03:33:10,665 --> 03:33:13,650
Can I get clarity

6443
03:33:18,439 --> 03:33:19,106
?

6444
03:33:19,106 --> 03:33:20,274
This has been fed to me today

6445
03:33:20,274 --> 03:33:23,177
and I want to make sure what

6446
03:33:23,177 --> 03:33:25,880
the next steps are and what the

6447
03:33:25,880 --> 03:33:26,881
plan is.

6448
03:33:26,881 --> 03:33:29,881
Or not there'd be commission

6449
03:33:30,550 --> 03:33:33,550
directive put forward when we

6450
03:33:35,189 --> 03:33:37,589
meet again next year.

6451
03:33:44,131 --> 03:33:45,660
>> MR. Shorter: there is a

6452
03:33:45,660 --> 03:33:46,100
parks commission currently.

6453
03:33:46,100 --> 03:33:46,934
My understanding and I can have

6454
03:33:46,934 --> 03:33:49,570
seth come down, is that the

6455
03:33:49,570 --> 03:33:50,605
languages encouraging groups to

6456
03:33:50,605 --> 03:33:52,540
set up a nonprofit or any kind

6457
03:33:52,540 --> 03:33:54,540
of private organization.

6458
03:34:01,382 --> 03:34:02,316
We are not saying any component

6459
03:34:02,316 --> 03:34:03,830
of the arts council, the arts

6460
03:34:03,830 --> 03:34:05,483
council itself or any

6461
03:34:07,220 --> 03:34:08,222
individual that MAY be

6462
03:34:08,222 --> 03:34:11,822
participating has to go out and

6463
03:34:12,192 --> 03:34:12,960
create a nonprofit in order for

6464
03:34:12,960 --> 03:34:14,829
grants programs or special

6465
03:34:14,829 --> 03:34:15,529
events to content you.

6466
03:34:15,529 --> 03:34:15,897
We will continue the special

6467
03:34:15,897 --> 03:34:17,640
events.

6468
03:34:17,640 --> 03:34:20,640
We will work with a

6469
03:34:20,401 --> 03:34:22,801
partner whether it was

6470
03:34:24,472 --> 03:34:26,472
competitively or not.

6471
03:34:27,909 --> 03:34:28,242
The arts grants

6472
03:34:28,242 --> 03:34:30,242
, the program

6473
03:34:32,380 --> 03:34:34,380
will be administered.

6474
03:34:36,350 --> 03:34:37,351
In terms of the next steps, I

6475
03:34:37,351 --> 03:34:38,886
don't believe the languages

6476
03:34:38,886 --> 03:34:41,886
saying we are requiring a

6477
03:34:50,665 --> 03:34:51,666
nonprofit be established.

6478
03:34:51,666 --> 03:34:52,333
What we are suggesting is we

6479
03:34:52,333 --> 03:34:53,233
were encouraging a nonprofit

6480
03:34:53,233 --> 03:34:54,168
because it makes it easier to

6481
03:34:54,168 --> 03:34:54,735
apply for grants, it makes it

6482
03:34:54,735 --> 03:34:55,690
easier to work with the

6483
03:34:55,690 --> 03:34:57,690
organization.

6484
03:34:57,371 --> 03:34:58,239
> my colleague texted me and

6485
03:34:58,239 --> 03:34:58,838
said his intent is to put

6486
03:34:58,838 --> 03:35:01,838
forward a directive for a

6487
03:35:03,878 --> 03:35:05,878
commission next year.

6488
03:35:07,882 --> 03:35:09,951
That will fill a gap

6489
03:35:09,951 --> 03:35:11,951
.

6490
03:35:13,530 --> 03:35:17,853
And so based on that I will be

6491
03:35:21,295 --> 03:35:21,996
supporting it as long as I

6492
03:35:21,996 --> 03:35:23,970
commission is established.

6493
03:35:23,970 --> 03:35:24,298
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6494
03:35:24,298 --> 03:35:24,999
I do have questions and maybe

6495
03:35:24,999 --> 03:35:25,433
supervisor angry can message

6496
03:35:25,433 --> 03:35:26,801
me.

6497
03:35:26,801 --> 03:35:28,803
Are we choosing sides

6498
03:35:28,803 --> 03:35:30,803
?

6499
03:35:33,908 --> 03:35:34,942
Every one of the arts council,

6500
03:35:34,942 --> 03:35:37,780
are they going to be invited to

6501
03:35:37,780 --> 03:35:37,744
be a part of the nonprofit.

6502
03:35:37,744 --> 03:35:40,347
Where is the select group go

6503
03:35:40,347 --> 03:35:40,948
integrated nonprofit.

6504
03:35:40,948 --> 03:35:43,948
Were going to have two

6505
03:35:44,318 --> 03:35:44,986
competing nonprofits?

6506
03:35:44,986 --> 03:35:47,986
I am worried about choosing

6507
03:35:48,990 --> 03:35:49,757
sides and without having the

6508
03:35:49,757 --> 03:35:52,157
information I cannot support

6509
03:35:54,295 --> 03:35:55,196
this

6510
03:35:55,196 --> 03:35:55,796
.

6511
03:35:55,796 --> 03:35:59,396
There has been a lot of

6512
03:35:59,533 --> 03:36:00,868
personality conflicts

6513
03:36:00,868 --> 03:36:01,602
.

6514
03:36:01,602 --> 03:36:03,370
People are not getting along.

6515
03:36:03,370 --> 03:36:03,437
I don't understand the genesis

6516
03:36:03,437 --> 03:36:05,437
of that.

6517
03:36:06,907 --> 03:36:07,575
I'm sorry it has come to this,

6518
03:36:07,575 --> 03:36:08,576
but I'm worried and I want to

6519
03:36:08,576 --> 03:36:11,112
be on record if we are choosing

6520
03:36:11,112 --> 03:36:11,712
sides.

6521
03:36:11,712 --> 03:36:14,712
We will be invited to

6522
03:36:15,950 --> 03:36:16,417
participate in this new

6523
03:36:16,417 --> 03:36:18,417
nonprofit.

6524
03:36:24,659 --> 03:36:25,526
That the huge concern for me.

6525
03:36:25,526 --> 03:36:26,227
Especially since the

6526
03:36:26,227 --> 03:36:27,194
allegations I've heard about

6527
03:36:27,194 --> 03:36:28,290
being silenced and shot out,

6528
03:36:28,290 --> 03:36:30,264
being a click, being

6529
03:36:30,264 --> 03:36:33,264
discriminatory from some of the

6530
03:36:35,236 --> 03:36:37,710
members who feel they are not

6531
03:36:37,710 --> 03:36:38,172
welcome to be a part of this

6532
03:36:38,172 --> 03:36:38,839
.

6533
03:36:38,839 --> 03:36:40,374
I'm going to be cautious on

6534
03:36:40,374 --> 03:36:40,641
this one and that is why I am

6535
03:36:40,641 --> 03:36:41,509
voting no.

6536
03:36:41,509 --> 03:36:42,343
Upervisor vega

6537
03:36:42,343 --> 03:36:44,343
.

6538
03:36:44,678 --> 03:36:47,780
>> Yesli Vega: in thinking

6539
03:36:47,582 --> 03:36:48,282
perfectly summarized how toxic

6540
03:36:48,282 --> 03:36:50,682
unfortunately the counsel has

6541
03:36:51,819 --> 03:36:52,119
become become not picking

6542
03:36:52,119 --> 03:36:52,820
anyone sign.

6543
03:36:52,820 --> 03:36:55,656
I'm being prudent and I

6544
03:36:55,656 --> 03:36:56,457
understand the ship of civility

6545
03:36:56,457 --> 03:36:57,425
in the ship of coming a meeting

6546
03:36:57,425 --> 03:36:59,560
in the middle have sailed and

6547
03:36:59,560 --> 03:37:02,897
sailed far away when you folks

6548
03:37:02,897 --> 03:37:05,297
emailing board members to

6549
03:37:07,340 --> 03:37:07,635
unemployed people.

6550
03:37:07,635 --> 03:37:10,350
Making claims that have

6551
03:37:10,238 --> 03:37:11,238
absolutely no evidence or proof

6552
03:37:11,238 --> 03:37:13,908
is indicative the group is not

6553
03:37:13,908 --> 03:37:17,508
working and so here is the

6554
03:37:20,981 --> 03:37:21,549
council serving.

6555
03:37:21,549 --> 03:37:22,216
I had to come to the

6556
03:37:22,216 --> 03:37:23,840
realization it is not serving

6557
03:37:23,840 --> 03:37:26,684
the purpose for which it was

6558
03:37:26,854 --> 03:37:27,555
created and we have to start

6559
03:37:27,555 --> 03:37:28,356
over again and this is the best

6560
03:37:28,356 --> 03:37:30,756
course of action regarding

6561
03:37:33,361 --> 03:37:34,328
picking sides?

6562
03:37:34,328 --> 03:37:35,290
I'm basing my decision off of

6563
03:37:35,290 --> 03:37:35,897
how ineffective the counsel has

6564
03:37:35,897 --> 03:37:36,831
become and I wouldn't want to

6565
03:37:36,831 --> 03:37:37,832
be part of such a toxic

6566
03:37:37,832 --> 03:37:38,833
environment.

6567
03:37:38,833 --> 03:37:40,833
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6568
03:37:42,236 --> 03:37:43,604
supervisor bailey

6569
03:37:43,604 --> 03:37:44,672
.

6570
03:37:44,672 --> 03:37:45,406
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

6571
03:37:45,406 --> 03:37:45,606
I

6572
03:37:45,606 --> 03:37:46,207
agree.

6573
03:37:46,207 --> 03:37:49,210
I'm not taking sides at all.

6574
03:37:49,210 --> 03:37:49,911
This is an opportunity for us

6575
03:37:49,911 --> 03:37:52,146
to clear the air and get the

6576
03:37:52,146 --> 03:37:53,800
focus on the community and not

6577
03:37:53,800 --> 03:37:55,480
on personalities and to

6578
03:37:55,917 --> 03:37:56,584
understand creating a new

6579
03:37:56,584 --> 03:37:59,584
mission and vision for the

6580
03:38:00,253 --> 03:38:00,821
county to serve the county.

6581
03:38:00,821 --> 03:38:03,821
we need to preserve the

6582
03:38:05,192 --> 03:38:05,993
template.

6583
03:38:05,993 --> 03:38:06,260
The county executive says we

6584
03:38:06,260 --> 03:38:07,461
are

6585
03:38:07,461 --> 03:38:07,727
going to continue with the

6586
03:38:07,727 --> 03:38:09,727
programs.

6587
03:38:11,766 --> 03:38:13,340
I think that's very important.

6588
03:38:13,340 --> 03:38:16,340
The negative synergy created in

6589
03:38:16,504 --> 03:38:19,730
this environment needs to be

6590
03:38:19,730 --> 03:38:22,900
the views dissolved and we move

6591
03:38:22,900 --> 03:38:22,309
forward with a brand-new

6592
03:38:22,309 --> 03:38:24,309
, fresh

6593
03:38:25,613 --> 03:38:26,647
commission we move forward with

6594
03:38:26,647 --> 03:38:27,748
brand-new fresh vision to serve

6595
03:38:27,748 --> 03:38:29,717
the county.

6596
03:38:29,717 --> 03:38:32,117
I'm certainly not picking

6597
03:38:34,522 --> 03:38:35,323
sides.

6598
03:38:35,323 --> 03:38:36,230
As we move forward to

6599
03:38:36,230 --> 03:38:38,230
transformative ideas and

6600
03:38:38,920 --> 03:38:38,626
transformative talent that we

6601
03:38:38,626 --> 03:38:40,528
move forward with

6602
03:38:40,528 --> 03:38:42,928
transformative decisions on how

6603
03:38:44,932 --> 03:38:45,666
we do that.

6604
03:38:45,666 --> 03:38:46,567
Not picking sides but we need a

6605
03:38:46,567 --> 03:38:48,967
fresh minutes moving forward

6606
03:38:49,300 --> 03:38:50,304
to.

6607
03:38:50,304 --> 03:38:51,272
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6608
03:38:51,272 --> 03:38:53,272
supervisor stewart

6609
03:38:55,276 --> 03:38:56,277
.

6610
03:38:56,277 --> 03:38:56,477
>> George Stewart: I took my

6611
03:38:56,477 --> 03:38:57,110
name.

6612
03:38:57,110 --> 03:38:57,778
>> Deshundra

6613
03:38:57,778 --> 03:38:58,279
Jefferson, Mayor:

6614
03:38:58,279 --> 03:39:00,279
supervisor gordy.

6615
03:39:03,651 --> 03:39:03,951
>> Tom Gordy: I misspoke

6616
03:39:03,951 --> 03:39:04,584
.

6617
03:39:04,584 --> 03:39:05,486
Supervisor angry it's not

6618
03:39:05,486 --> 03:39:06,420
putting forward a directive for

6619
03:39:06,420 --> 03:39:07,421
a commission.

6620
03:39:07,421 --> 03:39:10,421
Wanted to correct the record

6621
03:39:10,791 --> 03:39:11,792
for that.

6622
03:39:11,792 --> 03:39:12,393
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6623
03:39:12,393 --> 03:39:15,393
thank you so very much.

6624
03:39:18,990 --> 03:39:22,299
Let's go ahead and take a vote.

6625
03:39:35,216 --> 03:39:35,883
>> supervisor angry?

6626
03:39:35,883 --> 03:39:37,883
Motion passes 5/2 supervisors

6627
03:39:37,919 --> 03:39:40,319
gordy and chair jefferson

6628
03:39:41,254 --> 03:39:42,256
voting no.

6629
03:39:42,256 --> 03:39:44,256
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6630
03:39:46,727 --> 03:39:47,395
thank you so much.

6631
03:39:47,395 --> 03:39:48,329
we are now going to go around

6632
03:39:48,329 --> 03:39:49,964
the horn and I will start with

6633
03:39:49,964 --> 03:39:50,932
supervisor vega.

6634
03:39:50,932 --> 03:39:55,132
She is not ready so I will

6635
03:39:56,637 --> 03:39:57,605
start with supervisor gordy.

6636
03:39:57,605 --> 03:39:57,805
>> Tom Gordy: I will make this

6637
03:39:57,805 --> 03:39:58,639
quick.

6638
03:39:58,639 --> 03:39:59,607
On the 11th of the pleasure of

6639
03:39:59,607 --> 03:39:59,907
attending the parks foundation

6640
03:39:59,907 --> 03:40:00,410
reception

6641
03:40:00,410 --> 03:40:02,410
.

6642
03:40:02,109 --> 03:40:05,709
We have such a great community

6643
03:40:07,414 --> 03:40:08,115
of supporters for our parks and

6644
03:40:08,115 --> 03:40:08,349
to see them all in one place

6645
03:40:08,349 --> 03:40:08,950
and see

6646
03:40:08,950 --> 03:40:10,117
the commitment and

6647
03:40:10,117 --> 03:40:12,117
excitement, especially after

6648
03:40:14,622 --> 03:40:16,324
the opening of the pump track

6649
03:40:16,324 --> 03:40:17,191
has them energized looking

6650
03:40:17,191 --> 03:40:19,250
forward to the next

6651
03:40:19,250 --> 03:40:21,425
opportunities to support our

6652
03:40:21,662 --> 03:40:22,697
community.

6653
03:40:22,697 --> 03:40:24,432
And I enjoyed visiting with the

6654
03:40:24,432 --> 03:40:26,832
misty creek community to

6655
03:40:28,402 --> 03:40:31,402
discuss issues related to their

6656
03:40:32,240 --> 03:40:35,240
roads and opportunities how we

6657
03:40:35,475 --> 03:40:36,143
can address that.

6658
03:40:36,143 --> 03:40:38,543
Yesterday and begin hanukkah.

6659
03:40:44,552 --> 03:40:45,218
I want to wish our jewish

6660
03:40:45,218 --> 03:40:46,220
community happy hanukkah.

6661
03:40:46,220 --> 03:40:46,487
It started off rough with what

6662
03:40:46,487 --> 03:40:47,210
happened

6663
03:40:47,210 --> 03:40:48,220
in sydney and our

6664
03:40:48,220 --> 03:40:48,322
hearts go out to all those

6665
03:40:48,322 --> 03:40:49,230
families.

6666
03:40:49,230 --> 03:40:50,560
Some of that did hit close to

6667
03:40:50,560 --> 03:40:50,124
home

6668
03:40:50,124 --> 03:40:52,124
.

6669
03:40:53,793 --> 03:40:54,729
Some folks from this area were

6670
03:40:54,729 --> 03:40:56,130
over there participating in

6671
03:40:56,130 --> 03:40:56,230
sydney

6672
03:40:56,230 --> 03:40:58,230
.

6673
03:41:01,602 --> 03:41:02,537
They are having the menorah

6674
03:41:02,537 --> 03:41:05,537
lighting at that out list

6675
03:41:06,407 --> 03:41:07,408
walking gainesville.

6676
03:41:07,408 --> 03:41:08,408
I certainly want to welcome the

6677
03:41:08,408 --> 03:41:09,509
community in support of jewish

6678
03:41:09,509 --> 03:41:10,177
neighbors.

6679
03:41:10,177 --> 03:41:12,547
And then I want to wish our

6680
03:41:12,547 --> 03:41:13,714
community a very merry

6681
03:41:13,714 --> 03:41:16,183
christmas and happy new year

6682
03:41:16,183 --> 03:41:19,183
happy holidays and look forward

6683
03:41:22,924 --> 03:41:23,291
to seeing everyone again in the

6684
03:41:23,291 --> 03:41:24,292
new year.

6685
03:41:24,292 --> 03:41:25,993
I will say 2025 has been rough.

6686
03:41:25,993 --> 03:41:26,260
I'm ready for it to be over

6687
03:41:26,260 --> 03:41:28,228
with.

6688
03:41:28,228 --> 03:41:31,828
And has been a challenging year

6689
03:41:32,332 --> 03:41:33,134
for my family and so looking

6690
03:41:33,134 --> 03:41:35,534
forward to a better 26.

6691
03:41:36,836 --> 03:41:38,836
Thank you.

6692
03:41:41,576 --> 03:41:42,760
>> Yesli Vega: of a directive

6693
03:41:42,760 --> 03:41:42,777
you have all seen.

6694
03:41:42,777 --> 03:41:44,712
Without objection I would like

6695
03:41:44,712 --> 03:41:45,446
to direct the county executive

6696
03:41:45,446 --> 03:41:48,983
to work with staff to compiling

6697
03:41:48,983 --> 03:41:50,218
clear and complete breakdown of

6698
03:41:50,218 --> 03:41:51,319
all county funds, services, and

6699
03:41:51,319 --> 03:41:53,719
resources and other public

6700
03:41:56,991 --> 03:41:57,291
education programs

6701
03:41:57,291 --> 03:41:58,292
.

6702
03:41:58,292 --> 03:41:58,859
This should include not only

6703
03:41:58,859 --> 03:41:59,760
budgeted transfers or

6704
03:41:59,760 --> 03:42:00,795
appropriations but additional

6705
03:42:00,795 --> 03:42:03,795
money approved aside the annual

6706
03:42:18,120 --> 03:42:19,460
budget process is only a

6707
03:42:19,460 --> 03:42:20,470
services or resources provided

6708
03:42:20,470 --> 03:42:20,715
to the county departments such

6709
03:42:20,715 --> 03:42:21,616
as information technology,

6710
03:42:21,616 --> 03:42:22,183
parks and recreation, or other

6711
03:42:22,183 --> 03:42:23,170
shared services.

6712
03:42:23,170 --> 03:42:24,180
They should identify the

6713
03:42:24,180 --> 03:42:24,652
purpose of funding source for

6714
03:42:24,652 --> 03:42:25,519
each item and specify whether

6715
03:42:25,519 --> 03:42:26,220
it is required by state

6716
03:42:26,220 --> 03:42:26,988
mandate, local policy, or

6717
03:42:26,988 --> 03:42:27,655
provided at the boards

6718
03:42:27,655 --> 03:42:28,556
discretion part county

6719
03:42:28,556 --> 03:42:29,590
attorneys office is directed to

6720
03:42:29,590 --> 03:42:30,191
review the regulations for

6721
03:42:30,191 --> 03:42:31,125
legal issues on the research

6722
03:42:31,125 --> 03:42:32,930
and work is complete the county

6723
03:42:32,930 --> 03:42:32,827
executive should the board with

6724
03:42:32,827 --> 03:42:33,527
his analysis and

6725
03:42:33,527 --> 03:42:34,495
recommendations by memorandum

6726
03:42:34,495 --> 03:42:34,762
within 60 days of the board

6727
03:42:34,762 --> 03:42:36,762
directive.

6728
03:42:39,467 --> 03:42:40,330
That is all I have.

6729
03:42:40,330 --> 03:42:40,735
Merry christmas.

6730
03:42:40,735 --> 03:42:41,469
Happy new year.

6731
03:42:41,469 --> 03:42:41,969
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6732
03:42:41,969 --> 03:42:43,969
supervisor boddye.

6733
03:42:45,390 --> 03:42:45,773
>> Kenny Boddye: at supervisor

6734
03:42:45,773 --> 03:42:47,140
increase request I'm going to

6735
03:42:47,140 --> 03:42:47,408
start with his supervisors time

6736
03:42:47,408 --> 03:42:48,709
.

6737
03:42:48,709 --> 03:42:52,647
He wanted to put in his notice

6738
03:42:52,647 --> 03:42:56,247
of intent to -- the advisory

6739
03:42:58,886 --> 03:42:59,620
committee.

6740
03:42:59,620 --> 03:43:00,388
I wanted to make sure you have

6741
03:43:00,388 --> 03:43:00,888
that and he says merry

6742
03:43:00,888 --> 03:43:01,422
christmas.

6743
03:43:01,422 --> 03:43:04,422
Down to the occoquan time.

6744
03:43:05,626 --> 03:43:06,327
I wanted to first thank

6745
03:43:06,327 --> 03:43:09,927
everyone who came out to join

6746
03:43:10,565 --> 03:43:10,998
me at the two open houses that

6747
03:43:10,998 --> 03:43:11,165
happened on friday.

6748
03:43:11,165 --> 03:43:13,165
Irst in

6749
03:43:13,367 --> 03:43:16,967
the morning we went to the

6750
03:43:20,374 --> 03:43:21,750
senior center breakfast lunch I

6751
03:43:21,750 --> 03:43:21,942
wanted to thank supervisor

6752
03:43:21,942 --> 03:43:23,411
franklin for her invitation to

6753
03:43:23,411 --> 03:43:23,911
that.

6754
03:43:23,911 --> 03:43:26,311
Was a great time.

6755
03:43:31,219 --> 03:43:31,986
They live it up.

6756
03:43:31,986 --> 03:43:32,786
There was a lot of festivities.

6757
03:43:32,786 --> 03:43:34,550
I want to say thank you

6758
03:43:34,550 --> 03:43:34,622
supervisor franklin to all the

6759
03:43:34,622 --> 03:43:35,223
staff that helped make that

6760
03:43:35,223 --> 03:43:35,289
event a success every year.

6761
03:43:35,289 --> 03:43:37,289
N

6762
03:43:39,994 --> 03:43:40,994
the evening my staff and other

6763
03:43:40,994 --> 03:43:41,829
folks went to the gainesville

6764
03:43:41,829 --> 03:43:43,531
district open house.

6765
03:43:43,531 --> 03:43:45,660
Wanted to say supervisor

6766
03:43:45,660 --> 03:43:45,733
stewart and his staff do not

6767
03:43:45,733 --> 03:43:47,367
play when it comes into

6768
03:43:47,367 --> 03:43:49,767
throwing a great party.

6769
03:43:55,576 --> 03:43:56,310
They spend a lot of time

6770
03:43:56,310 --> 03:43:57,778
decorating with their office.

6771
03:43:57,778 --> 03:43:58,379
It was well received big

6772
03:43:58,379 --> 03:43:59,580
congratulations to your first

6773
03:43:59,580 --> 03:44:00,514
open house, supervisor stewart.

6774
03:44:00,514 --> 03:44:01,182
Sunday my family and I took

6775
03:44:01,182 --> 03:44:04,782
part in our annual santa trains

6776
03:44:06,453 --> 03:44:07,321
and manasses.

6777
03:44:07,321 --> 03:44:07,788
For folks of not been

6778
03:44:07,788 --> 03:44:08,389
on the

6779
03:44:08,389 --> 03:44:09,924
brt, I invite you to do so.

6780
03:44:09,924 --> 03:44:10,858
My four-year-old, my

6781
03:44:10,858 --> 03:44:12,858
two-year-old and 13-year-old

6782
03:44:15,396 --> 03:44:15,563
lovett

6783
03:44:15,563 --> 03:44:16,364
.

6784
03:44:16,364 --> 03:44:17,310
We see santa claus.

6785
03:44:17,310 --> 03:44:17,431
There are elves, caroling,

6786
03:44:17,431 --> 03:44:17,565
singing

6787
03:44:17,565 --> 03:44:19,565
.

6788
03:44:24,438 --> 03:44:25,138
Is a really good time.

6789
03:44:25,138 --> 03:44:26,700
If you're concerned about your

6790
03:44:26,700 --> 03:44:26,974
kids having candy canes or

6791
03:44:26,974 --> 03:44:29,100
candy, you should pass because

6792
03:44:29,100 --> 03:44:29,677
they get out a lot of candy on

6793
03:44:29,677 --> 03:44:30,344
that my kids were bouncing

6794
03:44:30,344 --> 03:44:32,744
around throughout the day.

6795
03:44:37,818 --> 03:44:38,618
Also wanted to talk about

6796
03:44:38,618 --> 03:44:39,554
yesterday morning.

6797
03:44:39,554 --> 03:44:41,954
I attended alongside supervisor

6798
03:44:43,591 --> 03:44:44,591
bailey and angry the annual

6799
03:44:44,591 --> 03:44:46,591
transportation legislative town

6800
03:44:48,162 --> 03:44:52,962
hall forum put on by prt c, vre

6801
03:44:53,634 --> 03:44:54,334
and in vtc.

6802
03:44:54,334 --> 03:44:55,203
It's always great to bring so

6803
03:44:55,203 --> 03:44:58,203
many transit nerds into the

6804
03:44:59,807 --> 03:45:00,441
same building to talk about

6805
03:45:00,441 --> 03:45:01,309
transit in our region.

6806
03:45:01,309 --> 03:45:03,310
A lot of great conversations

6807
03:45:03,310 --> 03:45:04,110
come out of that.

6808
03:45:04,110 --> 03:45:07,548
My team was able to join rabbi

6809
03:45:07,548 --> 03:45:09,500
in the jewish community for the

6810
03:45:09,500 --> 03:45:11,180
menorah lighting and occoquan.

6811
03:45:11,180 --> 03:45:14,180
Wanted to thank the jewish

6812
03:45:18,693 --> 03:45:19,327
community in our county for

6813
03:45:19,327 --> 03:45:19,961
continuing that tradition then

6814
03:45:19,961 --> 03:45:20,795
supervisor gordy said, during

6815
03:45:20,795 --> 03:45:23,795
this rough period folks are

6816
03:45:26,367 --> 03:45:27,101
going through.

6817
03:45:27,101 --> 03:45:27,969
With that, I have nothing else

6818
03:45:27,969 --> 03:45:30,710
and I hope everyone has happy

6819
03:45:30,710 --> 03:45:31,720
holidays, happy kwanzaa, happy

6820
03:45:31,720 --> 03:45:31,439
hanukkah, merry christmas and

6821
03:45:31,439 --> 03:45:32,807
happy new year.

6822
03:45:32,807 --> 03:45:34,442
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6823
03:45:34,442 --> 03:45:34,942
you forgot for the rest of us.

6824
03:45:34,942 --> 03:45:36,942
All right.

6825
03:45:42,283 --> 03:45:44,840
Supervisor stewart

6826
03:45:44,840 --> 03:45:45,190
.

6827
03:45:45,190 --> 03:45:45,786
>> MR. Shorter: stole my

6828
03:45:45,786 --> 03:45:46,520
thunder and now it's time for

6829
03:45:46,520 --> 03:45:48,520
the grievances.

6830
03:45:48,922 --> 03:45:49,657
[Laughter]

6831
03:45:49,657 --> 03:45:50,625
i want to thank everybody who

6832
03:45:50,625 --> 03:45:53,625
came out to the gainesville

6833
03:45:53,661 --> 03:45:53,728
office for the open house.

6834
03:45:53,728 --> 03:45:55,728
T

6835
03:45:57,640 --> 03:46:00,640
was like 12 days of christmas

6836
03:46:10,177 --> 03:46:10,811
and thanks for being there

6837
03:46:10,811 --> 03:46:11,412
,

6838
03:46:11,412 --> 03:46:12,346
thanks for the support.

6839
03:46:12,346 --> 03:46:13,281
It was great posting you all

6840
03:46:13,281 --> 03:46:13,881
got a great time and can't wait

6841
03:46:13,881 --> 03:46:14,782
for christmas next year.

6842
03:46:14,782 --> 03:46:15,383
The next day the town or

6843
03:46:15,383 --> 03:46:16,284
haymarket, speaking about

6844
03:46:16,284 --> 03:46:17,518
artists, the best in the county

6845
03:46:17,518 --> 03:46:18,452
descended upon haymarket for

6846
03:46:18,452 --> 03:46:21,452
their town bazaar and tree

6847
03:46:21,589 --> 03:46:23,589
lighting.

6848
03:46:30,310 --> 03:46:31,320
It was a great time.

6849
03:46:31,320 --> 03:46:33,568
We had that haymarket polar

6850
03:46:33,568 --> 03:46:37,168
express train for the kids and

6851
03:46:39,774 --> 03:46:40,708
it was really great.

6852
03:46:40,708 --> 03:46:41,209
Yesterday I attended the

6853
03:46:41,209 --> 03:46:43,209
unveiling of

6854
03:46:48,683 --> 03:46:49,283
elevate 2030.

6855
03:46:49,283 --> 03:46:50,418
The prince william county

6856
03:46:50,418 --> 03:46:51,152
school strategic plan for the

6857
03:46:51,152 --> 03:46:53,888
next five years, which was

6858
03:46:53,888 --> 03:46:54,822
great.

6859
03:46:54,822 --> 03:46:55,823
This morning I attended the

6860
03:46:55,823 --> 03:46:58,223
ribbon-cutting for the veterans

6861
03:47:01,229 --> 03:47:04,829
care center on van til rd.

6862
03:47:10,271 --> 03:47:10,671
Really awesome facility.

6863
03:47:10,671 --> 03:47:11,500
Took some time to

6864
03:47:11,500 --> 03:47:11,939
get it done,

6865
03:47:11,939 --> 03:47:12,773
but from what I saw today it

6866
03:47:12,773 --> 03:47:13,700
was worth every bit of the

6867
03:47:13,700 --> 03:47:14,508
weight.

6868
03:47:14,508 --> 03:47:18,108
The governor was there for the

6869
03:47:19,790 --> 03:47:20,248
ribbon-cutting and for any

6870
03:47:20,248 --> 03:47:22,683
marine or sailor who knows the

6871
03:47:22,683 --> 03:47:25,683
name polar, this place was

6872
03:47:30,910 --> 03:47:30,791
aptly named.

6873
03:47:30,791 --> 03:47:31,659
And if there was going to be a

6874
03:47:31,659 --> 03:47:34,659
place dedicated to the whole

6875
03:47:38,933 --> 03:47:39,634
family, this was it.

6876
03:47:39,634 --> 03:47:40,601
I want to wish everybody a

6877
03:47:40,601 --> 03:47:42,103
happy holiday

6878
03:47:42,103 --> 03:47:44,103
, merry christmas,

6879
03:47:51,546 --> 03:47:52,280
happy hanukkah, happy kwanzaa.

6880
03:47:52,280 --> 03:47:52,613
This has been for me an amazing

6881
03:47:52,613 --> 03:47:53,180
year.

6882
03:47:53,180 --> 03:47:56,180
T the beginning of the

6883
03:47:58,718 --> 03:47:59,654
year I was in this room in a

6884
03:47:59,654 --> 03:48:02,540
completely different way and

6885
03:48:03,491 --> 03:48:04,258
now I find myself here.

6886
03:48:04,258 --> 03:48:07,858
Inside of that though, I want

6887
03:48:09,697 --> 03:48:10,565
to remember bob and his family

6888
03:48:10,565 --> 03:48:11,332
.

6889
03:48:11,332 --> 03:48:13,000
Especially at this time.

6890
03:48:13,000 --> 03:48:15,400
The first christmas without

6891
03:48:17,271 --> 03:48:18,539
first close loved one

6892
03:48:18,539 --> 03:48:19,173
, as well

6893
03:48:19,173 --> 03:48:19,607
as supervisor bailey

6894
03:48:19,607 --> 03:48:21,607
having just

6895
03:48:21,809 --> 03:48:23,809
lost her mom.

6896
03:48:35,122 --> 03:48:38,122
My prayers are with you

6897
03:48:38,159 --> 03:48:39,159
.

6898
03:48:39,159 --> 03:48:39,927
I know what that can be like

6899
03:48:39,927 --> 03:48:40,728
having lost both of my parents.

6900
03:48:40,728 --> 03:48:41,796
Another part of this year with

6901
03:48:41,796 --> 03:48:42,960
me reconnecting with my birth

6902
03:48:42,960 --> 03:48:43,970
family, as

6903
03:48:43,970 --> 03:48:43,397
many of you know.

6904
03:48:43,397 --> 03:48:44,365
I'm adopted.

6905
03:48:44,365 --> 03:48:44,732
And so that was a special thing

6906
03:48:44,732 --> 03:48:45,633
for me.

6907
03:48:45,633 --> 03:48:49,233
But I wish everybody all the

6908
03:48:52,340 --> 03:48:53,274
success for the remaining days

6909
03:48:53,274 --> 03:48:53,908
we have for this year and make

6910
03:48:53,908 --> 03:48:54,442
it a good one and I will see

6911
03:48:54,442 --> 03:48:54,709
you on the next one.

6912
03:48:54,709 --> 03:48:55,743
>>

6913
03:48:55,743 --> 03:48:56,244
Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

6914
03:48:56,244 --> 03:48:57,245
supervisor bailey.

6915
03:48:57,245 --> 03:48:59,645
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

6916
03:49:03,918 --> 03:49:04,652
thank you MADAM Chair.

6917
03:49:04,652 --> 03:49:08,252
On 10 DECEMBER I would like to

6918
03:49:12,159 --> 03:49:12,827
thank my staff and supervisor

6919
03:49:12,827 --> 03:49:13,661
franklin and county staff in

6920
03:49:13,661 --> 03:49:14,662
all the constituents who

6921
03:49:14,662 --> 03:49:16,297
attended the community meeting

6922
03:49:16,297 --> 03:49:19,297
to discuss the safety solutions

6923
03:49:19,333 --> 03:49:21,733
for potomac shores community.

6924
03:49:23,503 --> 03:49:24,500
It was an awesome turn out.

6925
03:49:24,500 --> 03:49:26,405
That's what we do.

6926
03:49:28,900 --> 03:49:28,409
Work together to resolve issues

6927
03:49:28,409 --> 03:49:29,243
.

6928
03:49:29,243 --> 03:49:32,313
On the 11th, thank you to my

6929
03:49:32,313 --> 03:49:33,800
staff who has been covering me

6930
03:49:33,800 --> 03:49:36,680
in the moments of losing my

6931
03:49:40,154 --> 03:49:40,922
mom.

6932
03:49:40,922 --> 03:49:41,821
I appreciate my staff covering

6933
03:49:41,821 --> 03:49:42,657
me and helping me pick but they

6934
03:49:42,657 --> 03:49:44,657
attended the 54 graduation

6935
03:49:47,528 --> 03:49:48,194
promotions ceremony here

6936
03:49:48,194 --> 03:49:49,960
congratulations to the seven

6937
03:49:49,960 --> 03:49:52,960
graduates who were promoted and

6938
03:49:53,200 --> 03:49:54,101
welcome to the team pick

6939
03:49:54,101 --> 03:49:54,534
supervisor stewart, I heard

6940
03:49:54,534 --> 03:49:56,534
integrate all that

6941
03:49:58,372 --> 03:49:59,600
they bash.

6942
03:49:59,600 --> 03:49:59,840
Your first he got an a+ and

6943
03:49:59,840 --> 03:50:00,875
thank you for the invitation

6944
03:50:00,875 --> 03:50:02,760
and embracing our staff to come

6945
03:50:02,760 --> 03:50:05,760
and participate in your open

6946
03:50:08,182 --> 03:50:08,783
house pick on the 13th quantico

6947
03:50:08,783 --> 03:50:09,650
national cemetery did the

6948
03:50:09,650 --> 03:50:10,451
laying of the wreaths across

6949
03:50:10,451 --> 03:50:12,451
america.

6950
03:50:14,589 --> 03:50:15,488
Thank you to my appointing for

6951
03:50:15,488 --> 03:50:17,888
attending the wreaths across

6952
03:50:20,928 --> 03:50:21,929
america for me in my absence.

6953
03:50:21,929 --> 03:50:25,529
As I graduated from the swanson

6954
03:50:25,599 --> 03:50:27,599
institute on DECEMBER 13.

6955
03:50:32,305 --> 03:50:32,974
It was an amazing nine months.

6956
03:50:32,974 --> 03:50:33,875
Thank you to staff, delivery,

6957
03:50:33,875 --> 03:50:36,544
roberts, sam and rebecca for an

6958
03:50:36,544 --> 03:50:38,544
exceptional guidance and

6959
03:50:39,313 --> 03:50:40,314
support in the program

6960
03:50:40,314 --> 03:50:41,482
.

6961
03:50:41,482 --> 03:50:44,482
That would helped me understand

6962
03:50:45,386 --> 03:50:46,320
the state of virginia a lot

6963
03:50:46,320 --> 03:50:47,210
more and helped me lead to

6964
03:50:47,210 --> 03:50:47,321
better in prince william

6965
03:50:47,321 --> 03:50:49,321
county.

6966
03:50:49,724 --> 03:50:50,725
I'm a graduate.

6967
03:50:50,725 --> 03:50:52,560
That was an amazing experience

6968
03:50:52,560 --> 03:50:54,560
.

6969
03:50:56,364 --> 03:50:57,965
On the 14th thanks to my

6970
03:50:57,965 --> 03:50:58,633
PRESIDENT Allison and the links

6971
03:50:58,633 --> 03:51:00,633
incorporated for partnering

6972
03:51:02,837 --> 03:51:05,406
with me in my office for toys

6973
03:51:05,406 --> 03:51:05,907
for tots this year.

6974
03:51:05,907 --> 03:51:08,307
Special thanks to that

6975
03:51:11,312 --> 03:51:13,712
organization in providing gifts

6976
03:51:14,282 --> 03:51:14,948
, all kinds of gifts to our

6977
03:51:14,948 --> 03:51:15,216
children less fortunate in the

6978
03:51:15,216 --> 03:51:16,551
community.

6979
03:51:16,551 --> 03:51:16,951
I'm excited about that being a

6980
03:51:16,951 --> 03:51:18,951
marine corps wife.

6981
03:51:23,958 --> 03:51:25,260
it's going to be a great time.

6982
03:51:25,260 --> 03:51:25,626
And we will be supporting the

6983
03:51:25,626 --> 03:51:26,861
shelter and the homeless

6984
03:51:26,861 --> 03:51:27,461
ministries on the local

6985
03:51:27,461 --> 03:51:28,610
communities and churches here

6986
03:51:28,610 --> 03:51:28,896
in prince william county.

6987
03:51:28,896 --> 03:51:31,296
Yesterday I did participate

6988
03:51:32,633 --> 03:51:35,633
with my colleague victor angry

6989
03:51:36,904 --> 03:51:40,504
and kenny boddye in the form

6990
03:51:41,209 --> 03:51:41,842
and it was exceptional pick we

6991
03:51:41,842 --> 03:51:42,777
are doing great things in

6992
03:51:42,777 --> 03:51:43,900
transportation across the

6993
03:51:43,900 --> 03:51:45,900
region.

6994
03:51:45,813 --> 03:51:46,847
We will continue to

6995
03:51:46,847 --> 03:51:49,247
make priorities in legislative

6996
03:51:49,917 --> 03:51:50,952
agendas our utmost to give

6997
03:51:50,952 --> 03:51:53,688
service to our communities as a

6998
03:51:53,688 --> 03:51:55,623
relates to strategic planning

6999
03:51:55,623 --> 03:51:57,623
and funding.

7000
03:52:00,928 --> 03:52:02,296
Last night was amazing is that

7001
03:52:02,296 --> 03:52:04,832
we supported doctor Mcdade in

7002
03:52:04,832 --> 03:52:04,999
the 23rd a strategic plan

7003
03:52:04,999 --> 03:52:06,100
.

7004
03:52:06,100 --> 03:52:08,500
Another opportunity to partner

7005
03:52:11,239 --> 03:52:12,205
together in this county for the

7006
03:52:12,205 --> 03:52:12,939
best of what we have and that

7007
03:52:12,939 --> 03:52:13,708
is the next generation so

7008
03:52:13,708 --> 03:52:15,708
congratulations on that.

7009
03:52:16,143 --> 03:52:17,278
Today my staff attended the

7010
03:52:17,278 --> 03:52:19,180
veterans care center

7011
03:52:19,180 --> 03:52:21,180
.

7012
03:52:24,685 --> 03:52:25,786
Here was outstanding

7013
03:52:25,786 --> 03:52:26,754
.

7014
03:52:26,754 --> 03:52:27,210
Thank you for supporting me in

7015
03:52:27,210 --> 03:52:29,210
that way.

7016
03:52:31,250 --> 03:52:32,590
128 bed skilled nursing for

7017
03:52:32,590 --> 03:52:33,661
virginia veterans and we need

7018
03:52:33,661 --> 03:52:35,661
that so much.

7019
03:52:36,664 --> 03:52:37,365
Upcoming events on the 17th.

7020
03:52:37,365 --> 03:52:40,965
Would like to thank my staff

7021
03:52:41,502 --> 03:52:42,370
for attending the sit fencing

7022
03:52:42,370 --> 03:52:44,770
at swans creek elementary

7023
03:52:45,540 --> 03:52:47,108
school

7024
03:52:47,108 --> 03:52:47,775
.

7025
03:52:47,775 --> 03:52:48,676
It is an evening holiday with

7026
03:52:48,676 --> 03:52:49,243
song so I know we are excited

7027
03:52:49,243 --> 03:52:51,243
about that.

7028
03:52:51,546 --> 03:52:53,614
And boys and girls

7029
03:52:53,614 --> 03:52:56,250
club, the big kid event

7030
03:52:56,250 --> 03:52:57,151
finality

7031
03:52:57,151 --> 03:52:58,119
.

7032
03:52:58,119 --> 03:53:01,389
On the 18th I will not be

7033
03:53:01,389 --> 03:53:04,225
attending and that is the

7034
03:53:04,225 --> 03:53:04,892
memorial service for my mom.

7035
03:53:04,892 --> 03:53:09,920
But thank you to my staff for

7036
03:53:11,298 --> 03:53:12,934
attending the copy holidays

7037
03:53:12,934 --> 03:53:13,900
.

7038
03:53:13,900 --> 03:53:14,201
I would like to wish all of my

7039
03:53:14,201 --> 03:53:14,435
colleagues.

7040
03:53:14,435 --> 03:53:15,469
I will

7041
03:53:15,469 --> 03:53:15,769
get the cards after

7042
03:53:15,769 --> 03:53:16,536
christmas.

7043
03:53:16,536 --> 03:53:18,372
And I hope you have a joyful

7044
03:53:18,372 --> 03:53:21,372
and peaceful and happy holiday

7045
03:53:22,210 --> 03:53:25,947
season and thank you to all of

7046
03:53:25,947 --> 03:53:26,814
you for your warm respect and

7047
03:53:26,814 --> 03:53:29,750
prayers and blessings for the

7048
03:53:29,750 --> 03:53:30,318
loss of my mother.

7049
03:53:30,318 --> 03:53:31,719
Thank you MADAM Chair.

7050
03:53:31,719 --> 03:53:33,719
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7051
03:53:38,459 --> 03:53:39,193
thank you.

7052
03:53:39,193 --> 03:53:40,194
This has been a really tough

7053
03:53:40,194 --> 03:53:41,162
year for the board collectively

7054
03:53:41,162 --> 03:53:42,463
and individually as people have

7055
03:53:42,463 --> 03:53:44,165
been dealing with a lot of a

7056
03:53:44,165 --> 03:53:46,165
loss this year.

7057
03:53:53,207 --> 03:53:54,108
The holes people we care about

7058
03:53:54,108 --> 03:53:54,475
leave in our hearts will always

7059
03:53:54,475 --> 03:53:55,176
be there.

7060
03:53:55,176 --> 03:53:56,770
Some days it will hurt more,

7061
03:53:56,770 --> 03:53:59,677
some days it will hurt less.

7062
03:54:01,414 --> 03:54:02,283
I was excited last night going

7063
03:54:02,283 --> 03:54:04,118
to elevate 2030, the school

7064
03:54:04,118 --> 03:54:04,784
strategic plan.

7065
03:54:04,784 --> 03:54:06,870
I have to say I was really

7066
03:54:06,870 --> 03:54:08,870
blown away.

7067
03:54:09,690 --> 03:54:13,890
Was really in all of what our

7068
03:54:14,127 --> 03:54:14,762
schools put together.

7069
03:54:14,762 --> 03:54:15,663
It shows having the right

7070
03:54:15,663 --> 03:54:18,630
leadership, having the right

7071
03:54:20,134 --> 03:54:22,570
people who care and who are

7072
03:54:22,570 --> 03:54:23,704
passionate about the work that

7073
03:54:23,704 --> 03:54:27,304
they do, there are no bounds.

7074
03:54:32,947 --> 03:54:33,848
When I was thinking about this,

7075
03:54:33,848 --> 03:54:34,115
it's funny how this came

7076
03:54:34,115 --> 03:54:36,115
together.

7077
03:54:36,551 --> 03:54:36,851
I'm going to do a directive for

7078
03:54:36,851 --> 03:54:37,485
children's.

7079
03:54:37,485 --> 03:54:38,520
I sent information around my

7080
03:54:38,520 --> 03:54:39,860
colleagues about what this

7081
03:54:39,860 --> 03:54:39,854
could look like at a local

7082
03:54:39,854 --> 03:54:41,854
level.

7083
03:54:53,801 --> 03:54:54,635
As for my directive, without

7084
03:54:54,635 --> 03:54:55,369
objection I would like to

7085
03:54:55,369 --> 03:54:56,637
direct the county executive to

7086
03:54:56,637 --> 03:54:57,337
work with staff to explore the

7087
03:54:57,337 --> 03:54:58,239
creation of a children's

7088
03:54:58,239 --> 03:54:59,240
cabinet to leverage the power

7089
03:54:59,240 --> 03:54:59,874
of community stakeholders to

7090
03:54:59,874 --> 03:55:00,308
address the needs of the youth

7091
03:55:00,308 --> 03:55:01,142
in our community.

7092
03:55:01,142 --> 03:55:02,310
The approach will bring

7093
03:55:02,310 --> 03:55:03,440
together local government

7094
03:55:03,440 --> 03:55:04,278
schools, health, human services

7095
03:55:04,278 --> 03:55:04,912
and other community-based

7096
03:55:04,912 --> 03:55:05,780
organizations to address

7097
03:55:05,780 --> 03:55:08,180
challenges related to the

7098
03:55:08,950 --> 03:55:10,351
issues of attendance, mental

7099
03:55:10,351 --> 03:55:11,419
health, housing instability,

7100
03:55:11,419 --> 03:55:12,190
workforce readiness, and early

7101
03:55:12,190 --> 03:55:14,190
childhood development.

7102
03:55:16,390 --> 03:55:17,580
This approach should consider

7103
03:55:17,580 --> 03:55:17,892
how the children to come that

7104
03:55:17,892 --> 03:55:20,892
would be structured to align

7105
03:55:21,862 --> 03:55:22,897
policies, resources, and data

7106
03:55:22,897 --> 03:55:24,832
around shared outcome for

7107
03:55:24,832 --> 03:55:25,833
families.

7108
03:55:25,833 --> 03:55:28,233
Especially from birth through

7109
03:55:29,837 --> 03:55:30,838
young adulthood.

7110
03:55:30,838 --> 03:55:31,839
While maintaining the legal and

7111
03:55:31,839 --> 03:55:33,700
physical responsibilities of

7112
03:55:33,700 --> 03:55:35,407
the county government and

7113
03:55:38,179 --> 03:55:38,746
public school system, this

7114
03:55:38,746 --> 03:55:39,780
model should allow for

7115
03:55:39,780 --> 03:55:40,347
quarterly the community system

7116
03:55:40,347 --> 03:55:42,747
that aligns efforts across

7117
03:55:43,451 --> 03:55:44,252
education

7118
03:55:44,252 --> 03:55:45,218
, health, housing and

7119
03:55:45,218 --> 03:55:45,952
social services for the

7120
03:55:45,952 --> 03:55:47,255
recommendation should include

7121
03:55:47,255 --> 03:55:47,989
the potential governance

7122
03:55:47,989 --> 03:55:48,756
structure of the cabinet model

7123
03:55:48,756 --> 03:55:51,756
with a list of potential

7124
03:55:53,160 --> 03:55:54,194
members and impacted steak

7125
03:55:54,194 --> 03:55:56,594
oldest, budget implications and

7126
03:55:57,832 --> 03:55:58,666
in the other items the board

7127
03:55:58,666 --> 03:56:02,266
should be aware of in the

7128
03:56:08,900 --> 03:56:08,676
creation in such a group.

7129
03:56:08,676 --> 03:56:09,877
The county attorney office is

7130
03:56:09,877 --> 03:56:10,511
directed to review the

7131
03:56:10,511 --> 03:56:11,178
information and recommendations

7132
03:56:11,178 --> 03:56:12,130
for legal issues but when the

7133
03:56:12,130 --> 03:56:12,780
work is complete the county

7134
03:56:12,780 --> 03:56:14,115
executive should report back to

7135
03:56:14,115 --> 03:56:15,160
the board of the recommendation

7136
03:56:15,160 --> 03:56:15,917
during the board meeting or by

7137
03:56:15,917 --> 03:56:18,317
memorandum as they deem

7138
03:56:18,920 --> 03:56:19,420
appropriate.

7139
03:56:19,420 --> 03:56:19,921
Supervisor vega?

7140
03:56:19,921 --> 03:56:20,221
Before thank you.

7141
03:56:20,221 --> 03:56:21,756
I do object

7142
03:56:21,756 --> 03:56:23,756
.

7143
03:56:26,726 --> 03:56:27,261
You sent this late last night.

7144
03:56:27,261 --> 03:56:29,661
But a quick review.

7145
03:56:30,364 --> 03:56:31,299
I understand the intent but I

7146
03:56:31,299 --> 03:56:32,366
will keep it short because I

7147
03:56:32,366 --> 03:56:33,000
know we are pressed for time.

7148
03:56:33,000 --> 03:56:36,000
I'm proud to say this

7149
03:56:36,137 --> 03:56:37,380
initiative is not needed in

7150
03:56:37,380 --> 03:56:39,507
here is why prince william

7151
03:56:39,507 --> 03:56:40,374
county has a children service

7152
03:56:40,374 --> 03:56:40,941
division which is a

7153
03:56:40,941 --> 03:56:42,941
state-funded pool for

7154
03:56:44,378 --> 03:56:45,780
eligibility for youth under 21

7155
03:56:45,780 --> 03:56:47,780
with emotional, behavioral

7156
03:56:54,455 --> 03:56:55,356
needs, fact

7157
03:56:55,356 --> 03:56:56,570
, multiagency teams

7158
03:56:56,570 --> 03:56:56,857
including schools, dss and it

7159
03:56:56,857 --> 03:56:57,858
plans are individualized

7160
03:56:57,858 --> 03:56:58,826
services like outpatient

7161
03:56:58,826 --> 03:57:01,226
treatment that mirrors the

7162
03:57:05,833 --> 03:57:06,567
proposal you have shared.

7163
03:57:06,567 --> 03:57:07,301
When the officer youth services

7164
03:57:07,301 --> 03:57:08,336
that promotes positive

7165
03:57:08,336 --> 03:57:08,903
development via evidence-based

7166
03:57:08,903 --> 03:57:09,804
programs, partners with

7167
03:57:09,804 --> 03:57:10,471
nonprofits for afterschool

7168
03:57:10,471 --> 03:57:11,772
resilience building.

7169
03:57:11,772 --> 03:57:13,241
With the child advocacy center

7170
03:57:13,241 --> 03:57:14,800
which houses in dss which

7171
03:57:14,800 --> 03:57:15,900
brings law enforcement,

7172
03:57:15,900 --> 03:57:15,509
prosecutors, mental health and

7173
03:57:15,509 --> 03:57:16,244
professionals, the

7174
03:57:16,244 --> 03:57:17,110
professionals together for

7175
03:57:17,110 --> 03:57:18,120
abused cases preclude the

7176
03:57:18,120 --> 03:57:18,980
strategic plan interagency tool

7177
03:57:18,980 --> 03:57:21,348
which shares data dedicated

7178
03:57:21,348 --> 03:57:22,250
liaisons, joint training and

7179
03:57:22,250 --> 03:57:24,650
school meetings which ensures

7180
03:57:29,323 --> 03:57:30,240
alignment with the spark

7181
03:57:30,240 --> 03:57:30,925
funding to the tune of 350,000

7182
03:57:30,925 --> 03:57:31,325
which supports cls and other

7183
03:57:31,325 --> 03:57:31,825
partnerships.

7184
03:57:31,825 --> 03:57:33,825
E have metrics

7185
03:57:34,729 --> 03:57:35,630
and accountabilities in prince

7186
03:57:35,630 --> 03:57:36,664
william county schools that are

7187
03:57:36,664 --> 03:57:38,232
tracked of the pass rates,

7188
03:57:38,232 --> 03:57:38,900
graduation data and family

7189
03:57:38,900 --> 03:57:40,468
engagement surveys but prince

7190
03:57:40,468 --> 03:57:41,102
william county uses enterprise

7191
03:57:41,102 --> 03:57:41,636
wide processes for service

7192
03:57:41,636 --> 03:57:43,636
delivery.

7193
03:57:44,372 --> 03:57:45,306
In summary into my colleagues I

7194
03:57:45,306 --> 03:57:48,306
will offer this the prince

7195
03:57:49,100 --> 03:57:49,944
william county framework in

7196
03:57:49,944 --> 03:57:50,945
interagency mechanisms via dss,

7197
03:57:50,945 --> 03:57:51,913
prince william county schools,

7198
03:57:51,913 --> 03:57:53,470
community services already

7199
03:57:53,470 --> 03:57:55,470
delivers coordinated data

7200
03:57:58,252 --> 03:57:58,619
driven support built in

7201
03:57:58,619 --> 03:57:59,420
accountability.

7202
03:57:59,420 --> 03:58:00,253
I don't believe we should be

7203
03:58:00,253 --> 03:58:02,253
adding another group,

7204
03:58:04,425 --> 03:58:05,125
especially when we really

7205
03:58:05,125 --> 03:58:06,270
haven't spoken to the school

7206
03:58:06,270 --> 03:58:09,627
division in regards to how this

7207
03:58:10,398 --> 03:58:11,265
is going to make, how it's

7208
03:58:11,265 --> 03:58:11,566
going to mean how it's going to

7209
03:58:11,566 --> 03:58:13,200
back policy.

7210
03:58:13,200 --> 03:58:13,734
I did a quick rundown.

7211
03:58:13,734 --> 03:58:14,368
I have a lot more because

7212
03:58:14,368 --> 03:58:17,368
there's a lot more detailed

7213
03:58:18,472 --> 03:58:19,339
breakdown, specifically to the

7214
03:58:19,339 --> 03:58:21,739
population if you will,

7215
03:58:22,143 --> 03:58:22,777
specific age.

7216
03:58:22,777 --> 03:58:23,711
Again, I am proud to say

7217
03:58:23,711 --> 03:58:24,312
everything detailed in a

7218
03:58:24,312 --> 03:58:26,712
directive is quite literally

7219
03:58:31,219 --> 03:58:31,852
already covered through all the

7220
03:58:31,852 --> 03:58:32,720
these other groups which we

7221
03:58:32,720 --> 03:58:36,320
should all be very proud of,

7222
03:58:36,557 --> 03:58:37,225
therefore we do not need this

7223
03:58:37,225 --> 03:58:37,458
initiative to be implemented

7224
03:58:37,458 --> 03:58:38,593
to.

7225
03:58:38,593 --> 03:58:40,528
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7226
03:58:40,528 --> 03:58:41,162
I agree we have a lot of work

7227
03:58:41,162 --> 03:58:41,963
we are doing in the county and

7228
03:58:41,963 --> 03:58:44,980
there is better coordination

7229
03:58:44,980 --> 03:58:44,699
can always be there.

7230
03:58:44,699 --> 03:58:45,333
This is something I have

7231
03:58:45,333 --> 03:58:47,733
approached the schools about.

7232
03:58:48,836 --> 03:58:49,770
And it just to discuss it fully

7233
03:58:49,770 --> 03:58:53,400
but it's a directive to come

7234
03:58:53,400 --> 03:58:54,410
back with recommendations.

7235
03:58:54,410 --> 03:58:55,900
That there's nothing to be done

7236
03:58:55,900 --> 03:58:55,209
and there is nothing to be

7237
03:58:55,209 --> 03:58:57,209
done.

7238
03:58:59,213 --> 03:58:59,780
I have seen this in

7239
03:58:59,780 --> 03:59:00,715
other jurisdictions.

7240
03:59:00,715 --> 03:59:02,716
Up above to explore this idea.

7241
03:59:02,716 --> 03:59:04,151
But since there is an objection

7242
03:59:04,151 --> 03:59:06,820
we are going to have to make

7243
03:59:06,820 --> 03:59:07,321
this a resolution info on this.

7244
03:59:07,321 --> 03:59:09,721
Going to go ahead.

7245
03:59:15,960 --> 03:59:15,730
We can -- did you have

7246
03:59:15,730 --> 03:59:16,664
something you want to say?

7247
03:59:16,664 --> 03:59:16,930
>> Kenny Boddye: I was going to

7248
03:59:16,930 --> 03:59:18,990
second it.

7249
03:59:18,990 --> 03:59:19,100
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7250
03:59:19,100 --> 03:59:19,901
it has been seconded by

7251
03:59:19,901 --> 03:59:20,368
supervisor boddye.

7252
03:59:20,368 --> 03:59:20,801
Is there any further

7253
03:59:20,801 --> 03:59:22,801
discussion?

7254
03:59:29,410 --> 03:59:30,378
Supervisor boddye.

7255
03:59:30,378 --> 03:59:31,780
>> Kenny Boddye: supervisor

7256
03:59:31,780 --> 03:59:31,913
vega, I appreciate you bringing

7257
03:59:31,913 --> 03:59:33,380
that forward.

7258
03:59:33,380 --> 03:59:33,981
I know that there is a lot of

7259
03:59:33,981 --> 03:59:34,615
cross agency work and you can

7260
03:59:34,615 --> 03:59:36,651
give great examples of what is

7261
03:59:36,651 --> 03:59:38,651
being done.

7262
03:59:44,224 --> 03:59:44,859
Print the analysis given is our

7263
03:59:44,859 --> 03:59:45,725
we duplicating efforts.

7264
03:59:45,725 --> 03:59:47,161
Is there room for something

7265
03:59:47,161 --> 03:59:50,761
else to enhance and d silo

7266
03:59:51,331 --> 03:59:52,266
further what is being done a

7267
03:59:52,266 --> 03:59:52,934
guy will be supporting it

7268
03:59:52,934 --> 03:59:56,534
because I think it would be

7269
04:00:05,813 --> 04:00:06,714
good fact-finding on the county

7270
04:00:06,714 --> 04:00:09,116
and all the colleagues in the

7271
04:00:09,116 --> 04:00:09,817
agency to look through that.

7272
04:00:09,817 --> 04:00:10,918
If it comes up it is redundant

7273
04:00:10,918 --> 04:00:11,452
and we don't need to do

7274
04:00:11,452 --> 04:00:12,860
anything else other than

7275
04:00:12,860 --> 04:00:12,285
enhancement to existing that's

7276
04:00:12,285 --> 04:00:14,285
fine.

7277
04:00:14,388 --> 04:00:15,122
If it comes forth and says this

7278
04:00:15,122 --> 04:00:15,823
is a new way to raise this to a

7279
04:00:15,823 --> 04:00:16,757
higher level, I am all for that

7280
04:00:16,757 --> 04:00:17,758
but the last thing I will say

7281
04:00:17,758 --> 04:00:18,593
is I like the idea of uplifting

7282
04:00:18,593 --> 04:00:20,993
children and families around

7283
04:00:20,995 --> 04:00:21,929
this pick would love to talk to

7284
04:00:21,929 --> 04:00:24,650
you further about having a

7285
04:00:24,650 --> 04:00:27,650
group like this to inform

7286
04:00:31,839 --> 04:00:32,940
futures report for the county.

7287
04:00:32,940 --> 04:00:33,307
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7288
04:00:33,307 --> 04:00:34,675
supervisor vega.

7289
04:00:34,675 --> 04:00:35,343
>> Yesli Vega: I hear

7290
04:00:35,343 --> 04:00:35,877
everything you've said and what

7291
04:00:35,877 --> 04:00:36,410
supervisor boddye added.

7292
04:00:36,410 --> 04:00:39,410
We often talk about the

7293
04:00:40,181 --> 04:00:41,480
pressures we talk about rick if

7294
04:00:41,480 --> 04:00:43,584
we took time to refresh our

7295
04:00:43,584 --> 04:00:44,518
memories and what we provide in

7296
04:00:44,518 --> 04:00:48,118
the county we would learn it

7297
04:00:49,900 --> 04:00:50,910
would be redundant but now we

7298
04:00:50,910 --> 04:00:51,792
are going to pile on additional

7299
04:00:51,792 --> 04:00:54,792
work on staff already burdened

7300
04:00:54,795 --> 04:00:57,195
with initiatives simply because

7301
04:00:59,533 --> 04:01:00,533
we want to.

7302
04:01:00,533 --> 04:01:01,350
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7303
04:01:01,350 --> 04:01:03,350
supervisor bailey.

7304
04:01:05,720 --> 04:01:05,840
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

7305
04:01:05,840 --> 04:01:08,240
appreciate what supervisor vega

7306
04:01:14,448 --> 04:01:15,449
is saying.

7307
04:01:15,449 --> 04:01:16,450
Didn't have an opportunity to

7308
04:01:16,450 --> 04:01:17,919
digest because we did get it

7309
04:01:17,919 --> 04:01:18,885
late last night.

7310
04:01:18,885 --> 04:01:20,555
We did have an opportunity to

7311
04:01:20,555 --> 04:01:23,555
really digest what you were

7312
04:01:25,590 --> 04:01:27,590
putting forth.

7313
04:01:29,931 --> 04:01:30,765
And thought I what we saw with

7314
04:01:30,765 --> 04:01:31,299
the school board is addressing

7315
04:01:31,299 --> 04:01:33,299
what you presented.

7316
04:01:36,704 --> 04:01:37,371
This is an

7317
04:01:37,371 --> 04:01:39,307
opportunity for us to partner

7318
04:01:39,307 --> 04:01:42,243
with the school board more and

7319
04:01:42,243 --> 04:01:45,120
partner with agencies more to

7320
04:01:45,120 --> 04:01:48,120
see where the needs are.

7321
04:01:50,785 --> 04:01:51,510
And I, like supervisor vega

7322
04:01:51,510 --> 04:01:51,919
, we

7323
04:01:51,919 --> 04:01:52,687
have seen a lovely great

7324
04:01:52,687 --> 04:01:54,687
transformative things being

7325
04:01:54,822 --> 04:01:57,822
presented to us here lately.

7326
04:01:59,327 --> 04:02:02,927
I don't want staff to be

7327
04:02:04,599 --> 04:02:04,999
overworked.

7328
04:02:04,999 --> 04:02:05,299
Mission is to GETb

7329
04:02:05,299 --> 04:02:07,299
understand

7330
04:02:10,338 --> 04:02:11,339
where we are.

7331
04:02:11,339 --> 04:02:14,939
so though I appreciate what you

7332
04:02:15,643 --> 04:02:16,577
presented, we are in the

7333
04:02:16,577 --> 04:02:18,977
pathway of doing that.

7334
04:02:20,982 --> 04:02:21,749
Would like to see that come to

7335
04:02:21,749 --> 04:02:24,149
fruition the impossible and

7336
04:02:25,253 --> 04:02:25,887
then if it is not what we want

7337
04:02:25,887 --> 04:02:27,955
come back with another

7338
04:02:27,955 --> 04:02:29,955
directive.

7339
04:02:35,429 --> 04:02:36,970
My concern is overworking staff

7340
04:02:36,970 --> 04:02:36,998
as they are trying to get a

7341
04:02:36,998 --> 04:02:37,932
rhythm partnering together to

7342
04:02:37,932 --> 04:02:41,532
make sure that programs we have

7343
04:02:41,534 --> 04:02:42,236
are relevant, makes sense, the

7344
04:02:42,236 --> 04:02:42,537
resources are there in the

7345
04:02:42,537 --> 04:02:42,703
funding is

7346
04:02:42,703 --> 04:02:44,703
there.

7347
04:02:46,541 --> 04:02:51,341
We are in it era right now were

7348
04:02:54,150 --> 04:02:55,820
nationally things are so

7349
04:02:55,820 --> 04:02:56,170
unstable that to put additional

7350
04:02:56,170 --> 04:02:59,119
things on them, I don't see it

7351
04:02:59,119 --> 04:02:59,320
right now

7352
04:02:59,320 --> 04:03:00,288
.

7353
04:03:00,288 --> 04:03:03,888
Though I would love to support

7354
04:03:06,727 --> 04:03:08,940
this, the timing is off for me.

7355
04:03:08,940 --> 04:03:08,461
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7356
04:03:08,461 --> 04:03:09,263
appreciate that.

7357
04:03:09,263 --> 04:03:09,463
I want to check on the stock

7358
04:03:09,463 --> 04:03:10,231
thing.

7359
04:03:10,231 --> 04:03:12,198
I apologize they got back so

7360
04:03:12,198 --> 04:03:12,767
late.

7361
04:03:12,767 --> 04:03:13,501
We have anti-bows and

7362
04:03:13,501 --> 04:03:15,200
directives the same day or last

7363
04:03:15,200 --> 04:03:17,200
minute.

7364
04:03:19,507 --> 04:03:20,408
We talking about staff.

7365
04:03:20,408 --> 04:03:23,711
I'm pretty sure I've been a

7366
04:03:23,711 --> 04:03:24,512
strong advocate for review

7367
04:03:24,512 --> 04:03:26,948
staff members would say I

7368
04:03:26,948 --> 04:03:29,948
haven't making sure the other

7369
04:03:30,651 --> 04:03:31,385
resources they need to do the

7370
04:03:31,385 --> 04:03:32,353
work in front of them to make

7371
04:03:32,353 --> 04:03:32,786
sure departments are adequately

7372
04:03:32,786 --> 04:03:34,786
staffed.

7373
04:03:35,189 --> 04:03:36,900
If people don't like

7374
04:03:36,900 --> 04:03:37,325
this for reasons such as

7375
04:03:37,325 --> 04:03:40,325
political reasons, I know that

7376
04:03:41,696 --> 04:03:42,196
nobody is going to name them.

7377
04:03:42,196 --> 04:03:44,196
Let's be honest.

7378
04:03:44,699 --> 04:03:45,366
We can use more coordination.

7379
04:03:45,366 --> 04:03:47,766
This is a directive.

7380
04:03:49,603 --> 04:03:50,471
I don't think it hurts for us

7381
04:03:50,471 --> 04:03:51,500
to look at things more

7382
04:03:51,500 --> 04:03:53,500
holistically.

7383
04:03:54,942 --> 04:03:56,844
Annecy were saying, I wasn't

7384
04:03:56,844 --> 04:03:57,378
sure in your point

7385
04:03:57,378 --> 04:03:59,378
.

7386
04:04:00,114 --> 04:04:02,514
If you can clarify.

7387
04:04:02,650 --> 04:04:03,551
If you can clarify

7388
04:04:03,551 --> 04:04:04,518
.

7389
04:04:04,518 --> 04:04:08,718
If you could take a moment to

7390
04:04:11,259 --> 04:04:11,959
clarify.

7391
04:04:11,959 --> 04:04:12,927
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

7392
04:04:12,927 --> 04:04:15,927
first of all, not political

7393
04:04:16,130 --> 04:04:18,130
all.

7394
04:04:18,933 --> 04:04:22,533
I'm on the dais to understand.

7395
04:04:27,975 --> 04:04:28,843
What I mean by that is I don't

7396
04:04:28,843 --> 04:04:30,878
think it is fair for us to have

7397
04:04:30,878 --> 04:04:34,478
staff overworked and what is it

7398
04:04:39,153 --> 04:04:40,154
you are not clear?

7399
04:04:40,154 --> 04:04:41,155
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7400
04:04:41,155 --> 04:04:41,923
you are saying there are other

7401
04:04:41,923 --> 04:04:42,223
ways to get after what it is we

7402
04:04:42,223 --> 04:04:44,223
want.

7403
04:04:46,260 --> 04:04:46,894
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

7404
04:04:46,894 --> 04:04:47,862
what I meant by that getting

7405
04:04:47,862 --> 04:04:49,263
what we want, let them bring

7406
04:04:49,263 --> 04:04:49,997
back what they are working on

7407
04:04:49,997 --> 04:04:53,901
now with the data they have now

7408
04:04:53,901 --> 04:04:54,802
to assess what is needed.

7409
04:04:54,802 --> 04:04:57,138
And once they do that if it is

7410
04:04:57,138 --> 04:04:57,738
not satisfactory

7411
04:04:57,738 --> 04:04:59,738
, and

7412
04:05:01,876 --> 04:05:04,276
additional directive is needed.

7413
04:05:05,580 --> 04:05:06,447
I don't think it is needed

7414
04:05:06,447 --> 04:05:08,816
right now because of all the

7415
04:05:08,816 --> 04:05:09,649
transformative things they are

7416
04:05:09,649 --> 04:05:13,249
trying to grade to bring data

7417
04:05:14,222 --> 04:05:15,223
back to us to make sure the

7418
04:05:15,223 --> 04:05:17,623
programs in different agencies

7419
04:05:19,126 --> 04:05:19,293
are relevant from being so old

7420
04:05:19,293 --> 04:05:20,126
the.

7421
04:05:20,126 --> 04:05:20,861
That's where I'm going with

7422
04:05:20,861 --> 04:05:21,429
that.

7423
04:05:21,429 --> 04:05:23,429
It's not political.

7424
04:05:25,199 --> 04:05:25,833
I am

7425
04:05:25,833 --> 04:05:29,433
trying to make sense out of

7426
04:05:33,140 --> 04:05:33,641
what they are bringing to us

7427
04:05:33,641 --> 04:05:34,642
now.

7428
04:05:34,642 --> 04:05:35,309
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7429
04:05:35,309 --> 04:05:36,177
usa in getting the data back.

7430
04:05:36,177 --> 04:05:37,144
Are you making a directive?

7431
04:05:37,144 --> 04:05:38,780
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

7432
04:05:38,780 --> 04:05:38,813
I'm not making a directive.

7433
04:05:38,813 --> 04:05:39,714
I'm saying we need to continue

7434
04:05:39,714 --> 04:05:40,581
with what they are bringing to

7435
04:05:40,581 --> 04:05:42,283
us now with the programs

7436
04:05:42,283 --> 04:05:44,283
supervisor vega resented.

7437
04:05:47,488 --> 04:05:48,890
And there are a plethora

7438
04:05:48,890 --> 04:05:49,624
.

7439
04:05:49,624 --> 04:05:50,910
Some we need to weed out, some

7440
04:05:50,910 --> 04:05:51,359
we need to keep.

7441
04:05:51,359 --> 04:05:52,260
But I think there

7442
04:05:52,260 --> 04:05:54,260
, they are in

7443
04:05:55,396 --> 04:05:56,931
a rhythm bringing things back

7444
04:05:56,931 --> 04:05:57,131
to us as well as our school

7445
04:05:57,131 --> 04:05:59,131
board.

7446
04:06:07,800 --> 04:06:07,174
This is not personal against

7447
04:06:07,174 --> 04:06:08,442
you.

7448
04:06:08,442 --> 04:06:09,110
I'm just saying information

7449
04:06:09,110 --> 04:06:10,770
coming to us is relevant and it

7450
04:06:10,770 --> 04:06:10,378
is information we haven't had

7451
04:06:10,378 --> 04:06:10,878
before.

7452
04:06:10,878 --> 04:06:11,745
Ot trying to make

7453
04:06:11,745 --> 04:06:12,130
it

7454
04:06:12,130 --> 04:06:12,613
personal.

7455
04:06:12,613 --> 04:06:16,213
I am just saying that's my

7456
04:06:17,285 --> 04:06:18,286
opinion.

7457
04:06:18,286 --> 04:06:18,786
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7458
04:06:18,786 --> 04:06:20,786
I'm still confused.

7459
04:06:21,956 --> 04:06:22,657
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

7460
04:06:22,657 --> 04:06:23,558
bottom line what I'm saying

7461
04:06:23,558 --> 04:06:25,993
it's not political, but I think

7462
04:06:25,993 --> 04:06:26,961
based upon what we saw last

7463
04:06:26,961 --> 04:06:30,197
night and a lot of it can be

7464
04:06:30,197 --> 04:06:31,650
resolved and what you're trying

7465
04:06:31,650 --> 04:06:35,265
to initiate if we work with the

7466
04:06:40,308 --> 04:06:41,642
school board.

7467
04:06:41,642 --> 04:06:42,276
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7468
04:06:42,276 --> 04:06:42,877
what I'm looking at is more

7469
04:06:42,877 --> 04:06:43,411
holistic and it's looking at

7470
04:06:43,411 --> 04:06:44,780
that coordination piece.

7471
04:06:44,780 --> 04:06:46,780
It's not needed.

7472
04:06:54,322 --> 04:06:54,889
If we have the data would not

7473
04:06:54,889 --> 04:06:55,756
have made this request.

7474
04:06:55,756 --> 04:06:56,457
The reason I'm making this

7475
04:06:56,457 --> 04:06:56,891
request is I would like staff

7476
04:06:56,891 --> 04:06:57,692
to look into this.

7477
04:06:57,692 --> 04:06:57,925
If it is nothing, it is

7478
04:06:57,925 --> 04:06:58,726
nothing.

7479
04:06:58,726 --> 04:06:59,227
I don't know if this is

7480
04:06:59,227 --> 04:07:01,227
overburdening staff.

7481
04:07:03,300 --> 04:07:03,831
i'm not asking for them to

7482
04:07:03,831 --> 04:07:04,130
create a new program

7483
04:07:04,130 --> 04:07:05,320
necessarily.

7484
04:07:05,320 --> 04:07:06,968
I'm asking for information.

7485
04:07:06,968 --> 04:07:07,301
I know we can go back and forth

7486
04:07:07,301 --> 04:07:08,169
.

7487
04:07:08,169 --> 04:07:09,237
If you would like to sit down

7488
04:07:09,237 --> 04:07:11,637
and discuss this, I'm

7489
04:07:15,109 --> 04:07:17,109
interested in.

7490
04:07:18,112 --> 04:07:18,813
>> I'm offering my 1/8 opinion.

7491
04:07:18,813 --> 04:07:19,460
I would like to discuss it

7492
04:07:19,460 --> 04:07:21,460
further.

7493
04:07:24,151 --> 04:07:26,151
In consideration of

7494
04:07:26,721 --> 04:07:27,455
what you are trying to propose,

7495
04:07:27,455 --> 04:07:28,656
there is something already that

7496
04:07:28,656 --> 04:07:30,424
you might want to consider

7497
04:07:30,424 --> 04:07:32,424
.

7498
04:07:34,328 --> 04:07:35,396
It MAY be an opportunity.

7499
04:07:35,396 --> 04:07:37,396
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7500
04:07:41,769 --> 04:07:42,503
you cut me off.

7501
04:07:42,503 --> 04:07:43,337
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

7502
04:07:43,337 --> 04:07:45,873
don't mean to cut you off.

7503
04:07:45,873 --> 04:07:46,541
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7504
04:07:46,541 --> 04:07:47,408
we are going to take a vote in.

7505
04:07:47,408 --> 04:07:48,409
I don't feel we have this in

7506
04:07:48,409 --> 04:07:51,120
place and that is why I offered

7507
04:07:51,120 --> 04:07:52,120
a directive.

7508
04:07:52,120 --> 04:07:52,547
Let's go ahead and take a vote.

7509
04:07:52,547 --> 04:07:54,547
>> supervisor angry?

7510
04:08:06,627 --> 04:08:08,627
>> Victor Angry: no.

7511
04:08:09,897 --> 04:08:10,231
>> motion fails 3/3

7512
04:08:10,231 --> 04:08:12,231
.

7513
04:08:20,308 --> 04:08:20,741
Hold on.

7514
04:08:20,741 --> 04:08:20,942
Three votes for no.

7515
04:08:20,942 --> 04:08:21,742
Upervisor

7516
04:08:21,742 --> 04:08:23,744
angry, bailey and vega.

7517
04:08:23,744 --> 04:08:23,978
Supervisor gordy abstaining

7518
04:08:23,978 --> 04:08:25,460
.

7519
04:08:25,460 --> 04:08:27,460
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7520
04:10:48,505 --> 04:10:49,439
I ask everyone to go see.

7521
04:10:49,439 --> 04:10:51,375
We are going to certify our

7522
04:10:51,375 --> 04:10:53,676
closed session so if somebody

7523
04:10:53,676 --> 04:10:54,678
can have a motion.

7524
04:10:54,678 --> 04:10:55,245
It has been properly moved and

7525
04:10:55,245 --> 04:10:57,245
seconded.

7526
04:11:11,562 --> 04:11:11,994
Let's take a vote.

7527
04:11:11,994 --> 04:11:13,764
Goes off the second

7528
04:11:13,764 --> 04:11:15,764
I get back

7529
04:11:23,730 --> 04:11:25,730
>> thank you, sir.

7530
04:11:27,100 --> 04:11:28,212
Vote unanimous.

7531
04:11:28,212 --> 04:11:28,412
supervisor frequent absent from

7532
04:11:28,412 --> 04:11:30,380
vote

7533
04:11:30,380 --> 04:11:31,381
.

7534
04:11:31,381 --> 04:11:31,949
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7535
04:11:31,949 --> 04:11:32,749
all right

7536
04:11:32,749 --> 04:11:33,750
.

7537
04:11:33,750 --> 04:11:35,285
We have one thing to report

7538
04:11:35,285 --> 04:11:35,819
out.

7539
04:11:35,819 --> 04:11:37,819
Supervisor stewart?

7540
04:11:56,730 --> 04:11:57,875
>> I move we appoint susan

7541
04:11:57,875 --> 04:12:00,275
washington as human resources

7542
04:12:04,481 --> 04:12:05,481
director.

7543
04:12:05,481 --> 04:12:07,481
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7544
04:12:09,186 --> 04:12:13,386
let's go ahead and take a vote.

7545
04:12:18,961 --> 04:12:19,997
>> supervisor angry?

7546
04:12:19,997 --> 04:12:21,465
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7547
04:12:21,465 --> 04:12:22,165
all right.

7548
04:12:22,165 --> 04:12:26,365
I don't know if you would like

7549
04:12:27,400 --> 04:12:27,771
to say something?

7550
04:12:27,771 --> 04:12:28,605
>> MR. Shorter: want to express

7551
04:12:28,605 --> 04:12:31,500
my appreciation for your

7552
04:12:31,208 --> 04:12:33,608
support and express my

7553
04:12:36,780 --> 04:12:37,481
enthusiasm, great enthusiasm to

7554
04:12:37,481 --> 04:12:38,382
welcome susan washington who

7555
04:12:38,382 --> 04:12:40,782
has served this community

7556
04:12:44,421 --> 04:12:45,255
extremely well.

7557
04:12:45,255 --> 04:12:46,123
She is over 25 years experience

7558
04:12:46,123 --> 04:12:50,923
in hr and I am very pleased we

7559
04:12:52,396 --> 04:12:53,397
now get to call susan, not

7560
04:12:53,397 --> 04:12:53,864
acting director but director of

7561
04:12:53,864 --> 04:12:54,765
human resources.

7562
04:12:54,765 --> 04:12:55,132
I don't know if you wanted to

7563
04:12:55,132 --> 04:12:57,532
say a few words.

7564
04:13:00,300 --> 04:13:02,300
[Inaudible]

7565
04:13:03,941 --> 04:13:04,740
Good evening chair

7566
04:13:04,740 --> 04:13:04,741
.

7567
04:13:04,741 --> 04:13:06,741
And cxo shorter.

7568
04:13:09,580 --> 04:13:10,547
I appreciate

7569
04:13:10,547 --> 04:13:13,830
this opportunity to continue to

7570
04:13:13,830 --> 04:13:13,784
serve my community, to support

7571
04:13:13,784 --> 04:13:16,253
the county and my colleagues

7572
04:13:16,253 --> 04:13:17,154
across the county and help lead

7573
04:13:17,154 --> 04:13:19,590
the office of hr for prince

7574
04:13:19,590 --> 04:13:20,591
william county.

7575
04:13:20,591 --> 04:13:24,191
I am very excited about this

7576
04:13:24,294 --> 04:13:25,280
opportunity.

7577
04:13:25,280 --> 04:13:25,395
I'm thankful my children are

7578
04:13:25,395 --> 04:13:27,395
here.

7579
04:13:32,302 --> 04:13:33,360
They are there to see this and

7580
04:13:33,360 --> 04:13:33,804
I appreciate your confidence in

7581
04:13:33,804 --> 04:13:34,304
me as we move forward.

7582
04:13:34,304 --> 04:13:34,605
Thank you so much.

7583
04:13:34,605 --> 04:13:35,806
[Applause]

7584
04:13:35,806 --> 04:13:36,840
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7585
04:13:36,840 --> 04:13:37,506
thank you so very much.

7586
04:13:37,506 --> 04:13:39,760
Everyone is really excited for

7587
04:13:39,760 --> 04:13:42,760
this new chapter in your

7588
04:13:42,613 --> 04:13:44,613
career.

7589
04:13:45,916 --> 04:13:46,950
I know we are right at 6:59 pm

7590
04:13:46,950 --> 04:13:47,818
but because we had to rush back

7591
04:13:47,818 --> 04:13:50,530
from closed session I'm going

7592
04:13:50,530 --> 04:13:54,253
to give the board a five minute

7593
04:14:34,843 --> 04:14:35,477
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7594
04:14:35,477 --> 04:14:35,678
for us five minutes went by

7595
04:14:35,678 --> 04:14:36,445
fast.

7596
04:14:36,445 --> 04:14:37,479
I hope it did for us well.

7597
04:14:37,479 --> 04:14:41,790
We are moving to agenda item 13

7598
04:14:43,552 --> 04:14:44,153
a and that is the rezoning for

7599
04:14:44,153 --> 04:14:44,887
maple valley grove.

7600
04:14:44,887 --> 04:14:45,588
I would like to ask the

7601
04:14:45,588 --> 04:14:46,889
applicant to come forward to

7602
04:14:46,889 --> 04:14:47,523
the present.

7603
04:14:47,523 --> 04:14:50,459
Are we missing part of the

7604
04:14:50,459 --> 04:14:50,726
applicant?

7605
04:14:50,726 --> 04:14:51,360
All right.

7606
04:14:51,360 --> 04:14:53,360
Talk amongst yourselves.

7607
04:15:22,291 --> 04:15:23,192
We

7608
04:15:23,192 --> 04:15:23,826
gained a lawyer but we lost the

7609
04:15:23,826 --> 04:15:25,327
supervisor.

7610
04:15:25,327 --> 04:15:27,327
That's okay.

7611
04:15:35,471 --> 04:15:36,205
We still have a quorum.

7612
04:15:36,205 --> 04:15:37,720
>> good evening keri jeffers

7613
04:15:37,720 --> 04:15:40,672
and the members of the board.

7614
04:15:42,111 --> 04:15:42,777
My name is jonelle cameron with

7615
04:15:42,777 --> 04:15:43,612
walsh colucci leah bley and

7616
04:15:43,612 --> 04:15:44,613
walsh are on behalf of the

7617
04:15:44,613 --> 04:15:46,613
applicant, galveston crossing.

7618
04:15:50,219 --> 04:15:51,220
With me are representatives

7619
04:15:51,220 --> 04:15:51,854
from the applicant, the civil

7620
04:15:51,854 --> 04:15:52,721
engineering team, traffic

7621
04:15:52,721 --> 04:15:55,121
consultant and environment a

7622
04:15:58,193 --> 04:15:59,194
consultant.

7623
04:15:59,194 --> 04:15:59,929
Property is comprised of three

7624
04:15:59,929 --> 04:16:01,941
parcels and is approximately

7625
04:16:01,941 --> 04:16:03,941
23.43 acres in size.

7626
04:16:05,401 --> 04:16:06,135
Reference prince william pkwy.,

7627
04:16:06,135 --> 04:16:09,735
here is hoadley road and here

7628
04:16:12,608 --> 04:16:13,609
is galveston court.

7629
04:16:13,609 --> 04:16:14,343
The property is zoned a-1

7630
04:16:14,343 --> 04:16:17,343
agriculture and a small portion

7631
04:16:17,713 --> 04:16:18,781
is zoned into light industrial.

7632
04:16:18,781 --> 04:16:19,648
The properties comprehensively

7633
04:16:19,648 --> 04:16:21,648
planned mixed-use three.

7634
04:16:23,918 --> 04:16:24,787
The mixed-use three recommends

7635
04:16:24,787 --> 04:16:27,187
4 to 12 dwelling units per

7636
04:16:28,924 --> 04:16:29,658
acre.

7637
04:16:29,658 --> 04:16:30,359
This slide is an exhibit does

7638
04:16:30,359 --> 04:16:30,492
show how it fits in with

7639
04:16:30,492 --> 04:16:31,860
the

7640
04:16:31,860 --> 04:16:33,860
surrounding area.

7641
04:16:36,966 --> 04:16:37,866
Here is the shopping center,

7642
04:16:37,866 --> 04:16:40,866
here is the apollo development

7643
04:16:42,137 --> 04:16:42,938
that includes townhomes,

7644
04:16:42,938 --> 04:16:44,173
commercial and here is

7645
04:16:44,173 --> 04:16:44,807
additional commercial with

7646
04:16:44,807 --> 04:16:48,407
residential here and del or nor

7647
04:16:49,178 --> 04:16:49,879
here.

7648
04:16:49,879 --> 04:16:50,412
This slide is the layout that

7649
04:16:50,412 --> 04:16:52,181
shows the proposal.

7650
04:16:52,181 --> 04:16:53,549
The applicant is proposing 274

7651
04:16:53,549 --> 04:16:55,949
residential units which will

7652
04:16:59,855 --> 04:17:00,689
allow 242 multifamily stacked

7653
04:17:00,689 --> 04:17:02,791
units in the 32 traditional

7654
04:17:02,791 --> 04:17:04,791
multifamily units.

7655
04:17:11,432 --> 04:17:12,434
That up to 32 is because

7656
04:17:12,434 --> 04:17:13,102
multifamily building here is

7657
04:17:13,102 --> 04:17:13,435
proposed to be a lie tech

7658
04:17:13,435 --> 04:17:14,169
building.

7659
04:17:14,169 --> 04:17:15,804
That will be available to

7660
04:17:15,804 --> 04:17:15,971
people making up to 60 percent

7661
04:17:15,971 --> 04:17:16,805
ami.

7662
04:17:16,805 --> 04:17:19,805
If the building is not

7663
04:17:24,346 --> 04:17:25,114
approved, the applicant is

7664
04:17:25,114 --> 04:17:25,981
proffered this building would

7665
04:17:25,981 --> 04:17:26,549
be available to people earning

7666
04:17:26,549 --> 04:17:28,949
up to 80 percent ami.

7667
04:17:29,184 --> 04:17:31,420
The proposal is between 11.35

7668
04:17:31,420 --> 04:17:35,200
dwelling units per acre and if

7669
04:17:35,491 --> 04:17:36,158
there are 32 traditional

7670
04:17:36,158 --> 04:17:37,459
multi-units 11.69 dwelling

7671
04:17:37,459 --> 04:17:39,459
units per acre.

7672
04:17:39,895 --> 04:17:40,930
The proposed into the minds

7673
04:17:40,930 --> 04:17:43,330
with the comprehensive plan.

7674
04:17:45,534 --> 04:17:45,734
This slide shows the open space

7675
04:17:45,734 --> 04:17:47,734
plan.

7676
04:17:52,308 --> 04:17:53,209
The humor in the comprehensive

7677
04:17:53,209 --> 04:17:54,143
plan also recommends 30 percent

7678
04:17:54,143 --> 04:17:57,743
open space for the applicant is

7679
04:18:00,649 --> 04:18:01,182
proposing 55 percent as open

7680
04:18:01,182 --> 04:18:01,850
space to.

7681
04:18:01,850 --> 04:18:02,518
the applicant is proposing a 50

7682
04:18:02,518 --> 04:18:02,851
foot buffer alone prince

7683
04:18:02,851 --> 04:18:04,851
william pkwy.

7684
04:18:05,955 --> 04:18:08,991
In the area here there is a 20

7685
04:18:08,991 --> 04:18:09,925
foot great difference between

7686
04:18:09,925 --> 04:18:12,925
prince william pkwy. And the

7687
04:18:21,203 --> 04:18:21,570
property which requires

7688
04:18:21,570 --> 04:18:22,338
grading

7689
04:18:22,338 --> 04:18:23,439
within the buffer area.

7690
04:18:23,439 --> 04:18:23,939
The applicant is requesting

7691
04:18:23,939 --> 04:18:24,707
modified 30 foot buffer

7692
04:18:24,707 --> 04:18:26,809
adjacent to the shopping center

7693
04:18:26,809 --> 04:18:27,409
to the south.

7694
04:18:27,409 --> 04:18:28,510
This area here and here.

7695
04:18:28,510 --> 04:18:30,312
The applicant is integrated

7696
04:18:30,312 --> 04:18:33,312
instead of separated from it.

7697
04:18:35,184 --> 04:18:36,151
Providing a 50 foot buffer

7698
04:18:36,151 --> 04:18:36,785
adjacent to the shopping center

7699
04:18:36,785 --> 04:18:39,185
disrupts the walk ability

7700
04:18:39,388 --> 04:18:40,880
between the uses.

7701
04:18:40,880 --> 04:18:43,880
Although the buffer is 30 feet

7702
04:18:43,158 --> 04:18:44,126
the applicant signed a majority

7703
04:18:44,126 --> 04:18:47,726
of amenities to be along the

7704
04:18:47,897 --> 04:18:49,897
property boundary line.

7705
04:18:50,532 --> 04:18:52,532
Sorry.

7706
04:18:58,207 --> 04:18:58,406
So this here is the buffer

7707
04:18:58,406 --> 04:19:00,406
area.

7708
04:19:03,450 --> 04:19:03,779
It's a variable with.

7709
04:19:03,779 --> 04:19:04,713
There's a pinch point in this

7710
04:19:04,713 --> 04:19:06,448
area here which is 37 feet, but

7711
04:19:06,448 --> 04:19:09,285
with the amenities it ranges up

7712
04:19:09,285 --> 04:19:11,285
to 198 feet.

7713
04:19:43,519 --> 04:19:44,186
Applicant is proposing

7714
04:19:44,186 --> 04:19:45,200
amenities on site that are

7715
04:19:45,200 --> 04:19:46,210
walkable no matter where you

7716
04:19:46,210 --> 04:19:46,689
are in the community.

7717
04:19:46,689 --> 04:19:47,656
A little less than 1 1/3 acres

7718
04:19:47,656 --> 04:19:48,591
is proposed as the amenity

7719
04:19:48,591 --> 04:19:49,258
areas which include a community

7720
04:19:49,258 --> 04:19:50,240
garden, community park, pocket

7721
04:19:50,240 --> 04:19:50,292
park, fitness area and

7722
04:19:50,292 --> 04:19:51,260
promenade.

7723
04:19:51,260 --> 04:19:52,161
The multifamily building will

7724
04:19:52,161 --> 04:19:52,361
have a community located inside

7725
04:19:52,361 --> 04:19:53,529
of it.

7726
04:19:53,529 --> 04:19:54,530
The applicant is proffering the

7727
04:19:54,530 --> 04:19:55,531
monetary contribution of her

7728
04:19:55,531 --> 04:19:56,565
parks and recreation for

7729
04:19:56,565 --> 04:19:57,533
occoquan and neabsco greenways.

7730
04:19:57,533 --> 04:19:58,534
This slide shows the community

7731
04:19:58,534 --> 04:19:59,168
garden that provides outdoor

7732
04:19:59,168 --> 04:20:00,134
space for residents to plan

7733
04:20:00,134 --> 04:20:01,360
their own preferences and needs

7734
04:20:01,360 --> 04:20:02,300
in addition to plots shared

7735
04:20:02,300 --> 04:20:02,571
work in the form of potting

7736
04:20:02,571 --> 04:20:03,272
benches unseating would be

7737
04:20:03,272 --> 04:20:03,906
present as well.

7738
04:20:03,906 --> 04:20:04,106
This slide shows the community

7739
04:20:04,106 --> 04:20:04,673
park.

7740
04:20:04,673 --> 04:20:04,907
His is the primary

7741
04:20:04,907 --> 04:20:05,740
amenity

7742
04:20:05,740 --> 04:20:06,542
area in this portion of

7743
04:20:06,542 --> 04:20:07,543
the neighborhood and it

7744
04:20:07,543 --> 04:20:08,210
includes a playground for ages

7745
04:20:08,210 --> 04:20:09,144
two through 12, gathering

7746
04:20:09,144 --> 04:20:10,379
space

7747
04:20:10,379 --> 04:20:12,779
, long gardens and a

7748
04:20:13,883 --> 04:20:14,583
fitness area.

7749
04:20:14,583 --> 04:20:18,183
This slide shows a pocket park

7750
04:20:21,190 --> 04:20:22,858
and fitness areas

7751
04:20:22,858 --> 04:20:23,893
.

7752
04:20:23,893 --> 04:20:24,526
There are seating inventions in

7753
04:20:24,526 --> 04:20:25,427
this area here and in the

7754
04:20:25,427 --> 04:20:25,861
fitness area is in this area

7755
04:20:25,861 --> 04:20:27,861
here.

7756
04:20:31,433 --> 04:20:33,569
Finally we have the promenade

7757
04:20:33,569 --> 04:20:34,270
.

7758
04:20:34,270 --> 04:20:35,437
It's designed so when you come

7759
04:20:35,437 --> 04:20:36,105
into the site and looks great

7760
04:20:36,105 --> 04:20:37,273
ahead what you're looking at is

7761
04:20:37,273 --> 04:20:38,140
the promenade area.

7762
04:20:38,140 --> 04:20:41,740
That area and assess an outdoor

7763
04:20:43,345 --> 04:20:44,346
seating here alone area and the

7764
04:20:44,346 --> 04:20:47,346
possibility to have a library

7765
04:20:48,784 --> 04:20:49,685
station and or swing.

7766
04:20:49,685 --> 04:20:53,285
As part of the proposal the

7767
04:20:53,289 --> 04:20:54,323
applicant was required to do

7768
04:20:54,323 --> 04:20:56,723
and traffic impact analysis.

7769
04:21:00,296 --> 04:21:00,963
The traffic impact analysis

7770
04:21:00,963 --> 04:21:01,829
requires you to look at the

7771
04:21:01,829 --> 04:21:02,640
three intersections on the

7772
04:21:02,640 --> 04:21:02,631
screen.

7773
04:21:02,631 --> 04:21:03,799
It requires us to look

7774
04:21:03,799 --> 04:21:04,600
at levels

7775
04:21:04,600 --> 04:21:05,367
of service today.

7776
04:21:05,367 --> 04:21:06,802
The levels of service in the

7777
04:21:06,802 --> 04:21:07,435
future without the development.

7778
04:21:07,435 --> 04:21:08,737
The future requires you to take

7779
04:21:08,737 --> 04:21:12,337
a two percent per year annual

7780
04:21:13,842 --> 04:21:14,710
growth rate as well as include

7781
04:21:14,710 --> 04:21:15,344
any other projects that have

7782
04:21:15,344 --> 04:21:18,344
been approved and not yet

7783
04:21:19,315 --> 04:21:20,282
developed.

7784
04:21:20,282 --> 04:21:20,983
So for this specific site had

7785
04:21:20,983 --> 04:21:23,552
to look at the special use

7786
04:21:23,552 --> 04:21:27,152
permit that was approved of the

7787
04:21:27,856 --> 04:21:28,756
background trips and the need

7788
04:21:28,756 --> 04:21:31,660
to look at what is the level of

7789
04:21:31,660 --> 04:21:32,294
the service in the future

7790
04:21:32,294 --> 04:21:33,162
looking at the two percent

7791
04:21:33,162 --> 04:21:34,363
annual growth rate, the

7792
04:21:34,363 --> 04:21:34,597
doorbell nor approval and

7793
04:21:34,597 --> 04:21:36,597
project.

7794
04:21:40,100 --> 04:21:41,102
Because hoadley square was go

7795
04:21:41,102 --> 04:21:41,437
into the rezoning process at

7796
04:21:41,437 --> 04:21:43,437
the same time.

7797
04:21:43,606 --> 04:21:46,606
The county also asked the

7798
04:22:03,626 --> 04:22:04,560
applicant also include hoadley

7799
04:22:04,560 --> 04:22:06,128
square in their review all the

7800
04:22:06,128 --> 04:22:06,729
intersections operated on an

7801
04:22:06,729 --> 04:22:07,963
exceptional level of service

7802
04:22:07,963 --> 04:22:08,664
except for the intersection of

7803
04:22:08,664 --> 04:22:10,799
prince william pkwy. And

7804
04:22:10,799 --> 04:22:11,467
hoadley road feeling in the

7805
04:22:11,467 --> 04:22:12,101
future without the project and

7806
04:22:12,101 --> 04:22:13,680
with maple valley grove in the

7807
04:22:13,680 --> 04:22:14,103
proposed hoadley square, there

7808
04:22:14,103 --> 04:22:14,336
was an increase of delay by 5.5

7809
04:22:14,336 --> 04:22:16,271
seconds.

7810
04:22:16,271 --> 04:22:16,972
In calculating the proposed

7811
04:22:16,972 --> 04:22:17,907
trips for the development the

7812
04:22:17,907 --> 04:22:18,707
applicant did not take a

7813
04:22:18,707 --> 04:22:19,208
reduction for nearby transit or

7814
04:22:19,208 --> 04:22:19,975
walk ability, which is

7815
04:22:19,975 --> 04:22:22,375
something they are normally

7816
04:22:26,381 --> 04:22:27,115
allowed to do.

7817
04:22:27,115 --> 04:22:27,882
As you are aware, vdot started

7818
04:22:27,882 --> 04:22:28,616
the star study at the

7819
04:22:28,616 --> 04:22:29,518
intersection of hoadley road,

7820
04:22:29,518 --> 04:22:30,286
davis ford rd. In prince

7821
04:22:30,286 --> 04:22:32,286
william parkway.

7822
04:22:33,956 --> 04:22:34,589
That looks like at the entire

7823
04:22:34,589 --> 04:22:35,524
corridor were down to 234.

7824
04:22:35,524 --> 04:22:36,492
The study provided options for

7825
04:22:36,492 --> 04:22:36,759
intersection improvements

7826
04:22:36,759 --> 04:22:38,759
,

7827
04:22:50,706 --> 04:22:51,373
including at the intersection

7828
04:22:51,373 --> 04:22:51,874
of prince william pkwy. And

7829
04:22:51,874 --> 04:22:52,775
davis ford road.

7830
04:22:52,775 --> 04:22:53,709
The applicant provided the

7831
04:22:53,709 --> 04:22:54,343
monetary contribution of a

7832
04:22:54,343 --> 04:22:55,211
little over $71,000 for an

7833
04:22:55,211 --> 04:22:56,212
interim improvement

7834
04:22:56,212 --> 04:22:56,412
intersection of prince william

7835
04:22:56,412 --> 04:22:57,213
pkwy.

7836
04:22:57,213 --> 04:22:57,412
, hoadley road and davis ford

7837
04:22:57,412 --> 04:22:59,412
road.

7838
04:23:02,384 --> 04:23:03,152
Or along the court order.

7839
04:23:03,152 --> 04:23:03,552
This slide shows the interior

7840
04:23:03,552 --> 04:23:04,587
street network.

7841
04:23:04,587 --> 04:23:06,121
The street network is designed

7842
04:23:06,121 --> 04:23:08,521
with a structured hierarchy

7843
04:23:20,536 --> 04:23:20,869
prioritizing connectivity

7844
04:23:20,869 --> 04:23:21,837
,

7845
04:23:21,837 --> 04:23:22,838
functionality, accessibility,

7846
04:23:22,838 --> 04:23:23,472
efficiency, and safety for a

7847
04:23:23,472 --> 04:23:23,972
vehicular, bicycle and

7848
04:23:23,972 --> 04:23:24,840
pedestrian traffic.

7849
04:23:24,840 --> 04:23:25,541
As part of the project the

7850
04:23:25,541 --> 04:23:26,475
applicant will be relocating

7851
04:23:26,475 --> 04:23:27,443
the existing cul-de-sac at the

7852
04:23:27,443 --> 04:23:28,644
end of galveston court in this

7853
04:23:28,644 --> 04:23:29,345
area here in relocating that

7854
04:23:29,345 --> 04:23:31,345
into the development.

7855
04:23:34,350 --> 04:23:35,284
The applicant was also asked if

7856
04:23:35,284 --> 04:23:35,918
they can work with the adjacent

7857
04:23:35,918 --> 04:23:36,785
shopping center to obtain an

7858
04:23:36,785 --> 04:23:38,785
easement for pedestrian

7859
04:23:40,489 --> 04:23:41,189
connectivity in this area here

7860
04:23:41,189 --> 04:23:42,157
to have a direct connection

7861
04:23:42,157 --> 04:23:45,157
other than the on galveston

7862
04:23:47,997 --> 04:23:48,964
court to the shopping center.

7863
04:23:48,964 --> 04:23:51,666
In the event hoadley is not

7864
04:23:51,666 --> 04:23:52,668
approved, the applicant is

7865
04:23:52,668 --> 04:23:54,503
relocating galveston court

7866
04:23:54,503 --> 04:23:56,903
further into the development

7867
04:24:04,146 --> 04:24:04,647
which is in this area here.

7868
04:24:04,647 --> 04:24:05,648
This slide is a

7869
04:24:05,648 --> 04:24:06,682
interconnectivity exhibit that

7870
04:24:06,682 --> 04:24:07,416
demonstrates how vehicular and

7871
04:24:07,416 --> 04:24:08,450
pedestrian access would work in

7872
04:24:08,450 --> 04:24:08,717
the event hoadley road is

7873
04:24:08,717 --> 04:24:09,418
approved.

7874
04:24:09,418 --> 04:24:12,354
The red dashed line of the

7875
04:24:12,354 --> 04:24:12,987
vehicular

7876
04:24:12,987 --> 04:24:13,721
, the blue lines of

7877
04:24:13,721 --> 04:24:14,557
the sidewalks in the yellow

7878
04:24:14,557 --> 04:24:16,957
lines are asphalt trails.

7879
04:24:17,493 --> 04:24:18,460
As

7880
04:24:18,460 --> 04:24:21,460
part of this proposal the

7881
04:24:21,932 --> 04:24:23,999
applicant is over part by 55

7882
04:24:23,999 --> 04:24:25,999
spaces.

7883
04:24:30,606 --> 04:24:30,839
This slide shows the monument

7884
04:24:30,839 --> 04:24:32,839
signage.

7885
04:24:35,444 --> 04:24:36,445
This slide shows the stack

7886
04:24:36,445 --> 04:24:37,146
multifamily elevations.

7887
04:24:37,146 --> 04:24:38,460
The standards are updated and

7888
04:24:38,460 --> 04:24:40,446
don't necessarily align with

7889
04:24:40,816 --> 04:24:40,983
today's market

7890
04:24:40,983 --> 04:24:41,717
.

7891
04:24:41,717 --> 04:24:43,552
For this reason we are seeking

7892
04:24:43,552 --> 04:24:44,153
the modifications as a relates

7893
04:24:44,153 --> 04:24:46,553
to the multifamily stacked

7894
04:24:53,280 --> 04:24:54,290
unit.

7895
04:24:54,290 --> 04:24:55,300
The first is a modification to

7896
04:24:55,300 --> 04:24:56,310
increase the building height to

7897
04:24:56,310 --> 04:24:56,832
55 feet to allow for rooftop

7898
04:24:56,832 --> 04:24:57,700
terraces on the reduction of

7899
04:24:57,700 --> 04:25:00,700
the front setback to 25 feet.

7900
04:25:00,903 --> 04:25:01,637
The design guidelines different

7901
04:25:01,637 --> 04:25:02,538
materials, colors and bump outs

7902
04:25:02,538 --> 04:25:06,750
be provided to break up the

7903
04:25:06,750 --> 04:25:06,642
building.

7904
04:25:06,642 --> 04:25:08,177
This slide shows the

7905
04:25:08,177 --> 04:25:10,177
multifamily buildings the

7906
04:25:10,346 --> 04:25:13,346
applicant is seeking a waiver

7907
04:25:24,927 --> 04:25:25,628
modification for the setback.

7908
04:25:25,628 --> 04:25:26,428
In the next few slides I'm

7909
04:25:26,428 --> 04:25:27,960
going to review revisions to

7910
04:25:27,960 --> 04:25:27,930
the proffers made based on

7911
04:25:27,930 --> 04:25:28,564
feedback at the planning

7912
04:25:28,564 --> 04:25:29,598
commission public hearing.

7913
04:25:29,598 --> 04:25:30,599
The first change was requiring

7914
04:25:30,599 --> 04:25:31,600
30 percent of the units to

7915
04:25:31,600 --> 04:25:34,000
include bricks, stone, masonry,

7916
04:25:34,470 --> 04:25:36,870
siding or cultured stone.

7917
04:25:39,374 --> 04:25:42,100
The second revision was to add

7918
04:25:42,100 --> 04:25:42,578
a low impact development best

7919
04:25:42,578 --> 04:25:44,978
practice manager to the

7920
04:25:47,783 --> 04:25:48,349
property and essentially this

7921
04:25:48,349 --> 04:25:49,184
is a measure added to

7922
04:25:49,184 --> 04:25:51,584
stormwater management to help

7923
04:25:56,825 --> 04:25:57,826
with stormwater management.

7924
04:25:57,826 --> 04:25:58,761
And finally they added them

7925
04:25:58,761 --> 04:26:00,761
contribution is $31,046.28 to

7926
04:26:02,298 --> 04:26:03,320
be used for an interim

7927
04:26:03,320 --> 04:26:04,500
improvement along the corridor

7928
04:26:04,500 --> 04:26:06,500
were.

7929
04:26:18,147 --> 04:26:19,148
That concludes my presentation.

7930
04:26:19,148 --> 04:26:20,649
Am available to answer any

7931
04:26:20,649 --> 04:26:21,649
questions you all MAY have.

7932
04:26:21,649 --> 04:26:21,917
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

7933
04:26:21,917 --> 04:26:22,818
all right.

7934
04:26:22,818 --> 04:26:24,820
Does anyone have any questions

7935
04:26:24,820 --> 04:26:25,321
for the applicant right now?

7936
04:26:25,321 --> 04:26:25,721
All right.

7937
04:26:25,721 --> 04:26:26,689
Supervisor boddye.

7938
04:26:26,689 --> 04:26:27,389
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you for

7939
04:26:27,389 --> 04:26:27,990
the presentation.

7940
04:26:27,990 --> 04:26:28,657
Just a couple questions and I

7941
04:26:28,657 --> 04:26:32,257
will likely ask staff some of

7942
04:26:33,963 --> 04:26:34,863
the same issue areas their

7943
04:26:34,863 --> 04:26:35,364
constituents who talked about

7944
04:26:35,364 --> 04:26:37,364
three issues for

7945
04:26:44,600 --> 04:26:44,707
transportation, environments,

7946
04:26:44,707 --> 04:26:45,607
schools here can you talk a

7947
04:26:45,607 --> 04:26:46,609
little bit about, he talked

7948
04:26:46,609 --> 04:26:47,475
about the transportation piece

7949
04:26:47,475 --> 04:26:51,675
quite a bit and you said in

7950
04:26:58,554 --> 04:26:59,121
this case wasn't a bonus given

7951
04:26:59,121 --> 04:26:59,722
for transit, walk ability.

7952
04:26:59,722 --> 04:27:00,756
Can you talk more about that?

7953
04:27:00,756 --> 04:27:01,991
>> when you are doing traffic

7954
04:27:01,991 --> 04:27:02,625
impact analysis, each

7955
04:27:02,625 --> 04:27:03,292
project-based on the number of

7956
04:27:03,292 --> 04:27:03,626
units and type unit is assigned

7957
04:27:03,626 --> 04:27:04,292
a prep.

7958
04:27:04,292 --> 04:27:07,892
When you are doing this you

7959
04:27:15,738 --> 04:27:17,390
have to get it reduction in

7960
04:27:17,390 --> 04:27:17,539
your trip when you are near

7961
04:27:17,539 --> 04:27:18,139
transit or walk ability.

7962
04:27:18,139 --> 04:27:19,174
In this instance there a bus

7963
04:27:19,174 --> 04:27:20,142
stop specifically on galveston

7964
04:27:20,142 --> 04:27:21,110
court as well as alone hoadley

7965
04:27:21,110 --> 04:27:22,177
road and and there is the walk

7966
04:27:22,177 --> 04:27:24,577
ability between the shopping

7967
04:27:24,914 --> 04:27:25,915
center and the residential.

7968
04:27:25,915 --> 04:27:26,549
That allows for there to be a

7969
04:27:26,549 --> 04:27:27,416
reduction in trips on the

7970
04:27:27,416 --> 04:27:28,417
applicant did not do that

7971
04:27:28,417 --> 04:27:29,218
reduction in trips when it was

7972
04:27:29,218 --> 04:27:31,618
doing the traffic impact

7973
04:27:35,424 --> 04:27:36,125
analysis.

7974
04:27:36,125 --> 04:27:37,590
>> Kenny Boddye: you talked

7975
04:27:37,590 --> 04:27:37,760
about the star study a little

7976
04:27:37,760 --> 04:27:40,760
bit, but has there been

7977
04:27:42,970 --> 04:27:42,998
conversation around what the

7978
04:27:42,998 --> 04:27:43,932
interim improvement might be

7979
04:27:43,932 --> 04:27:46,332
that the contribution go

7980
04:27:46,402 --> 04:27:48,402
towards?

7981
04:27:53,742 --> 04:27:54,343
>> I started the star study,

7982
04:27:54,343 --> 04:27:55,477
they provided options.

7983
04:27:55,477 --> 04:27:56,712
In addition when is being

7984
04:27:56,712 --> 04:27:57,379
reviewed, prince william county

7985
04:27:57,379 --> 04:27:58,614
transportation also looked at

7986
04:27:58,614 --> 04:27:59,415
potential options

7987
04:27:59,415 --> 04:28:01,415
.

7988
04:28:01,516 --> 04:28:04,787
One of those was a triple left

7989
04:28:04,787 --> 04:28:04,920
on prince william pkwy.

7990
04:28:04,920 --> 04:28:06,920
.

7991
04:28:09,925 --> 04:28:10,926
Sorry to make you all dizzy.

7992
04:28:10,926 --> 04:28:13,926
Essentially the left turn lane,

7993
04:28:19,501 --> 04:28:20,302
these two lane left movements

7994
04:28:20,302 --> 04:28:21,360
that have that delay today in

7995
04:28:21,360 --> 04:28:21,804
seconds and then with both

7996
04:28:21,804 --> 04:28:24,206
projects it was adding an

7997
04:28:24,206 --> 04:28:24,840
additional 5.5 seconds.

7998
04:28:24,840 --> 04:28:27,276
One of the options potentially

7999
04:28:27,276 --> 04:28:27,943
was to re-stripe a through lane

8000
04:28:27,943 --> 04:28:30,943
to create another left turn

8001
04:28:33,515 --> 04:28:34,516
movement on hoadley road but

8002
04:28:34,516 --> 04:28:36,418
the county is looking at all

8003
04:28:36,418 --> 04:28:39,418
options to determine what is

8004
04:28:50,566 --> 04:28:51,567
the best interim option.

8005
04:28:51,567 --> 04:28:52,334
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

8006
04:28:52,334 --> 04:28:53,680
to we will get there when you

8007
04:28:53,680 --> 04:28:53,936
get the county staff.

8008
04:28:53,936 --> 04:28:54,690
Thank you for that.

8009
04:28:54,690 --> 04:28:54,636
Ot of

8010
04:28:54,636 --> 04:28:55,700
folks or concerns about the

8011
04:28:55,700 --> 04:28:55,403
occoquan reservoir

8012
04:28:55,403 --> 04:28:55,770
and how this

8013
04:28:55,770 --> 04:28:57,770
feeds into that.

8014
04:29:04,947 --> 04:29:05,948
For starters, for the comp

8015
04:29:05,948 --> 04:29:06,981
plan we adopted and staff

8016
04:29:06,981 --> 04:29:07,650
recommendation, this was always

8017
04:29:07,650 --> 04:29:07,883
proposed to be in him you 3,

8018
04:29:07,883 --> 04:29:08,483
correct?

8019
04:29:08,483 --> 04:29:10,883
T wasn't supposed to

8020
04:29:16,492 --> 04:29:16,992
be -- nothing like that?

8021
04:29:16,992 --> 04:29:18,930
Appreciate that.

8022
04:29:18,930 --> 04:29:18,960
On the environmental piece, can

8023
04:29:18,960 --> 04:29:19,895
you talk about the storm water

8024
04:29:19,895 --> 04:29:20,529
management system and how that

8025
04:29:20,529 --> 04:29:21,330
compares the existing

8026
04:29:21,330 --> 04:29:22,330
conditions on the site?

8027
04:29:22,330 --> 04:29:23,165
>> absolutely pick on going to

8028
04:29:23,165 --> 04:29:23,933
have nat marshall who is our

8029
04:29:23,933 --> 04:29:26,933
civil engineer come and speak

8030
04:29:30,773 --> 04:29:32,773
on that.

8031
04:29:34,743 --> 04:29:35,770
>> good evening

8032
04:29:35,770 --> 04:29:35,711
.

8033
04:29:35,711 --> 04:29:36,544
My name is matt marshall.

8034
04:29:36,544 --> 04:29:40,144
I am the engineer for the

8035
04:29:45,554 --> 04:29:46,222
applicant.

8036
04:29:46,222 --> 04:29:46,555
The system is going to be two

8037
04:29:46,555 --> 04:29:47,289
parts.

8038
04:29:47,289 --> 04:29:48,224
It's going to be a level I what

8039
04:29:48,224 --> 04:29:51,224
pond and complemented now with

8040
04:29:58,901 --> 04:29:59,335
an lad.

8041
04:29:59,335 --> 04:30:00,690
We are going to do

8042
04:30:00,690 --> 04:30:00,736
at least one

8043
04:30:00,736 --> 04:30:01,437
but we are going to pursue work

8044
04:30:01,437 --> 04:30:01,670
fits where it provides the most

8045
04:30:01,670 --> 04:30:03,670
benefit.

8046
04:30:03,706 --> 04:30:04,340
They will be in treatment

8047
04:30:04,340 --> 04:30:04,907
someone will drain to another

8048
04:30:04,907 --> 04:30:05,174
to help improve the water

8049
04:30:05,174 --> 04:30:06,308
quality.

8050
04:30:06,308 --> 04:30:06,942
We are also doing what is

8051
04:30:06,942 --> 04:30:07,576
called general protection and

8052
04:30:07,576 --> 04:30:08,544
flood protection using the

8053
04:30:08,544 --> 04:30:09,612
energy balance equation such we

8054
04:30:09,612 --> 04:30:09,845
are mimicking the development

8055
04:30:09,845 --> 04:30:10,613
flows

8056
04:30:10,613 --> 04:30:10,946
to reduce downstream

8057
04:30:10,946 --> 04:30:12,140
erosion.

8058
04:30:12,140 --> 04:30:12,915
Be more friendly, if you will,

8059
04:30:12,915 --> 04:30:15,915
in terms of the post

8060
04:30:23,359 --> 04:30:24,590
development relative to the

8061
04:30:24,590 --> 04:30:25,294
predevelopment division.

8062
04:30:25,294 --> 04:30:25,494
>> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

8063
04:30:25,494 --> 04:30:25,961
that.

8064
04:30:25,961 --> 04:30:26,362
Last question for now.

8065
04:30:26,362 --> 04:30:27,396
Schools.

8066
04:30:27,396 --> 04:30:27,863
Some folks are concerned about

8067
04:30:27,863 --> 04:30:28,631
the schools impact.

8068
04:30:28,631 --> 04:30:29,865
Talk about the schools impact

8069
04:30:29,865 --> 04:30:30,532
on the options the school board

8070
04:30:30,532 --> 04:30:31,100
how should this could approved.

8071
04:30:31,100 --> 04:30:31,834
>> absolutely.

8072
04:30:31,834 --> 04:30:34,834
The elementary and high school

8073
04:30:45,114 --> 04:30:46,115
do not have capacity.

8074
04:30:46,115 --> 04:30:46,916
Prince william county looked at

8075
04:30:46,916 --> 04:30:47,216
the site as part of the

8076
04:30:47,216 --> 04:30:48,150
application.

8077
04:30:48,150 --> 04:30:49,118
Application gets distributed to

8078
04:30:49,118 --> 04:30:50,219
prince william county schools.

8079
04:30:50,219 --> 04:30:50,619
They call it and they provided

8080
04:30:50,619 --> 04:30:51,387
impact report.

8081
04:30:51,387 --> 04:30:52,321
there are other schools within

8082
04:30:52,321 --> 04:30:54,256
the district for elementary

8083
04:30:54,256 --> 04:30:57,256
schools that have capacity and

8084
04:30:59,940 --> 04:31:00,620
I have a couple of slides.

8085
04:31:00,620 --> 04:31:03,662
The slide here is what was

8086
04:31:09,905 --> 04:31:10,639
actually in the impact report

8087
04:31:10,639 --> 04:31:11,407
within the county staff report

8088
04:31:11,407 --> 04:31:12,374
that you received.

8089
04:31:12,374 --> 04:31:13,142
Marshall elementary, benton

8090
04:31:13,142 --> 04:31:13,975
middle and charles cogan senior

8091
04:31:13,975 --> 04:31:14,877
high school are the three

8092
04:31:14,877 --> 04:31:15,878
schools currently assigned.

8093
04:31:15,878 --> 04:31:18,878
Arshall and charles cogan are

8094
04:31:19,415 --> 04:31:20,348
overcapacity today pick with

8095
04:31:20,348 --> 04:31:22,748
this development they would

8096
04:31:25,387 --> 04:31:26,155
continue to be overcapacity.

8097
04:31:26,155 --> 04:31:27,220
What the county said it is the

8098
04:31:27,220 --> 04:31:29,422
14 high school will provide

8099
04:31:29,758 --> 04:31:30,359
additional capacity to address

8100
04:31:30,359 --> 04:31:32,759
overcrowding at the high

8101
04:31:36,398 --> 04:31:37,990
school.

8102
04:31:37,990 --> 04:31:38,670
It's the enrollment projections

8103
04:31:38,670 --> 04:31:40,369
do not reflect any potential

8104
04:31:40,369 --> 04:31:41,170
remedial measures the school

8105
04:31:41,170 --> 04:31:43,570
board has which includes

8106
04:31:46,442 --> 04:31:47,409
redistricting.

8107
04:31:47,409 --> 04:31:48,110
What we did is looked at the

8108
04:31:48,110 --> 04:31:50,510
elementary schools which is

8109
04:31:51,800 --> 04:31:51,881
carried out, marshall and penn.

8110
04:31:51,881 --> 04:31:54,683
Garrido has capacity in the

8111
04:31:54,683 --> 04:31:56,785
future and then we also looked

8112
04:31:56,785 --> 04:31:57,653
at the high schools prince

8113
04:31:57,653 --> 04:31:58,721
william county schools tom

8114
04:31:58,721 --> 04:32:01,121
mentioned which were hilton

8115
04:32:02,591 --> 04:32:03,225
high school and garfield in

8116
04:32:03,225 --> 04:32:06,225
both of those are under

8117
04:32:13,202 --> 04:32:13,702
capacity as well

8118
04:32:13,702 --> 04:32:14,403
.

8119
04:32:14,403 --> 04:32:15,170
Is a likely at the time the

8120
04:32:15,170 --> 04:32:15,237
school system is notified.

8121
04:32:15,237 --> 04:32:16,105
E

8122
04:32:16,105 --> 04:32:16,672
sold our first unit or our

8123
04:32:16,672 --> 04:32:16,939
first unit is about to be

8124
04:32:16,939 --> 04:32:18,939
occupied.

8125
04:32:24,460 --> 04:32:24,980
They would then look at the

8126
04:32:24,980 --> 04:32:25,581
schools and address

8127
04:32:25,581 --> 04:32:26,482
overcrowding which could

8128
04:32:26,482 --> 04:32:27,249
include redistricting the

8129
04:32:27,249 --> 04:32:28,150
students in this development to

8130
04:32:28,150 --> 04:32:31,150
a school that has capacity.

8131
04:32:31,353 --> 04:32:32,354
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you.

8132
04:32:32,354 --> 04:32:34,354
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

8133
04:32:35,523 --> 04:32:36,191
any other questions.

8134
04:32:36,191 --> 04:32:39,791
Let's go ahead and have the

8135
04:32:59,648 --> 04:33:00,149
county percent.

8136
04:33:00,149 --> 04:33:00,816
>> in evening.

8137
04:33:00,816 --> 04:33:01,450
Scott meyer of the planning

8138
04:33:01,450 --> 04:33:01,550
office

8139
04:33:01,550 --> 04:33:03,550
.

8140
04:33:05,888 --> 04:33:06,955
Nice to see everybody.

8141
04:33:06,955 --> 04:33:08,157
You have already been oriented

8142
04:33:08,157 --> 04:33:11,894
toward the site is, is just a

8143
04:33:11,894 --> 04:33:12,940
couple of things

8144
04:33:12,940 --> 04:33:14,940
.

8145
04:33:15,264 --> 04:33:16,165
The site is right here.

8146
04:33:16,165 --> 04:33:19,165
It's along the prince william

8147
04:33:19,635 --> 04:33:20,603
pkwy.

8148
04:33:20,603 --> 04:33:23,603
This corner is entirely planned

8149
04:33:23,639 --> 04:33:24,840
is immune 3. Mixed use

8150
04:33:24,840 --> 04:33:26,840
neighborhood mixed-use.

8151
04:33:29,979 --> 04:33:30,846
It is not in the -- , but still

8152
04:33:30,846 --> 04:33:30,913
give natural features

8153
04:33:30,913 --> 04:33:32,913
.

8154
04:33:36,252 --> 04:33:39,252
Existing in even though there

8155
04:33:42,591 --> 04:33:43,325
are districts and descriptions,

8156
04:33:43,325 --> 04:33:43,759
we need to move mindful of all

8157
04:33:43,759 --> 04:33:44,793
the things.

8158
04:33:44,793 --> 04:33:45,594
The applicant is proposing to

8159
04:33:45,594 --> 04:33:47,263
rezone the plan mixed

8160
04:33:47,263 --> 04:33:50,263
residential of a total unit

8161
04:33:51,867 --> 04:33:52,567
count not to exceed 274.

8162
04:33:52,567 --> 04:33:53,502
It's going to be a mixture of

8163
04:33:53,502 --> 04:33:54,904
stock multifamily were stacked

8164
04:33:54,904 --> 04:33:55,570
towns

8165
04:33:55,570 --> 04:33:57,970
, as we sometimes refer

8166
04:33:59,375 --> 04:34:00,175
them to as.

8167
04:34:00,175 --> 04:34:03,312
Untraditional is going to be in

8168
04:34:03,312 --> 04:34:06,470
the eastern part of the site.

8169
04:34:06,470 --> 04:34:06,715
Staff is recommending approval.

8170
04:34:06,715 --> 04:34:09,715
Just a couple of things.

8171
04:34:12,540 --> 04:34:13,220
This is the current land use

8172
04:34:13,220 --> 04:34:13,455
and we are charged looking at

8173
04:34:13,455 --> 04:34:13,756
what the currently

8174
04:34:13,756 --> 04:34:15,756
induces among

8175
04:34:16,725 --> 04:34:17,760
other things.

8176
04:34:17,760 --> 04:34:20,195
It's along the prince william

8177
04:34:20,195 --> 04:34:21,300
pkwy.

8178
04:34:21,300 --> 04:34:22,164
One of the big issues is, and

8179
04:34:22,164 --> 04:34:22,364
I'm going to get into this

8180
04:34:22,364 --> 04:34:24,364
later.

8181
04:34:25,601 --> 04:34:29,201
the loss of areas and also

8182
04:34:29,805 --> 04:34:30,573
trying to preserve trees on

8183
04:34:30,573 --> 04:34:33,573
site to the extent practicable.

8184
04:34:36,111 --> 04:34:37,120
E have to balance that with

8185
04:34:37,120 --> 04:34:38,547
affordable housing component

8186
04:34:38,547 --> 04:34:39,548
which is also important.

8187
04:34:39,548 --> 04:34:43,748
This is just the context of the

8188
04:34:46,121 --> 04:34:47,560
analysis.

8189
04:34:47,560 --> 04:34:47,756
This is the design guidelines.

8190
04:34:47,756 --> 04:34:48,570
At issue in the site here in

8191
04:34:48,570 --> 04:34:48,624
position to

8192
04:34:48,624 --> 04:34:50,624
the intersection of

8193
04:34:52,661 --> 04:34:53,696
the parkway.

8194
04:34:53,696 --> 04:34:56,699
The next piece to be discussed

8195
04:34:56,699 --> 04:35:00,436
after this is to the west next

8196
04:35:00,436 --> 04:35:02,436
to dorrell nor.

8197
04:35:04,240 --> 04:35:04,540
As janelle it mentioned

8198
04:35:04,540 --> 04:35:06,540
, land

8199
04:35:22,124 --> 04:35:22,858
bait a is the stock multifamily

8200
04:35:22,858 --> 04:35:23,492
.

8201
04:35:23,492 --> 04:35:24,193
Thus the height increase is for

8202
04:35:24,193 --> 04:35:25,194
the stock multifamily.

8203
04:35:25,194 --> 04:35:25,494
It is not for the traditional

8204
04:35:25,494 --> 04:35:27,296
multifamily.

8205
04:35:27,296 --> 04:35:28,197
Just to clarify that.

8206
04:35:28,197 --> 04:35:29,698
This is the environmental

8207
04:35:29,698 --> 04:35:30,699
constraints analysis and we

8208
04:35:30,699 --> 04:35:31,300
have a staff from environmental

8209
04:35:31,300 --> 04:35:32,201
services here as well.

8210
04:35:32,201 --> 04:35:32,902
There are also a couple of

8211
04:35:32,902 --> 04:35:34,236
extra slides if we want to get

8212
04:35:34,236 --> 04:35:34,904
into that discussion.

8213
04:35:34,904 --> 04:35:35,871
But the point of this is there

8214
04:35:35,871 --> 04:35:37,720
are intact limits of clearing

8215
04:35:37,720 --> 04:35:37,273
and grading which is a good

8216
04:35:37,273 --> 04:35:37,840
thing.

8217
04:35:37,840 --> 04:35:41,744
A lot of the site is being

8218
04:35:41,744 --> 04:35:42,745
cleared.

8219
04:35:42,745 --> 04:35:43,746
How do we balance that with the

8220
04:35:43,746 --> 04:35:45,114
intent and the environmental

8221
04:35:45,114 --> 04:35:45,314
component of the conference a

8222
04:35:45,314 --> 04:35:46,515
plan.

8223
04:35:46,515 --> 04:35:48,551
We feel that is one of the

8224
04:35:48,551 --> 04:35:51,551
issues we feel could've been

8225
04:35:53,789 --> 04:35:55,789
better looked up.

8226
04:36:03,320 --> 04:36:03,933
Open space this is not the

8227
04:36:03,933 --> 04:36:04,667
develop open space which is

8228
04:36:04,667 --> 04:36:05,434
considerably more than what we

8229
04:36:05,434 --> 04:36:06,435
have.

8230
04:36:06,435 --> 04:36:06,669
Looked at the quality of the

8231
04:36:06,669 --> 04:36:06,802
design.

8232
04:36:06,802 --> 04:36:07,602
.

8233
04:36:07,602 --> 04:36:08,437
One thing we do wishes the

8234
04:36:08,437 --> 04:36:08,871
buffer along the parkway was

8235
04:36:08,871 --> 04:36:09,103
increased

8236
04:36:09,103 --> 04:36:11,103
.

8237
04:36:13,409 --> 04:36:15,644
It does meet the intent and the

8238
04:36:15,644 --> 04:36:17,646
50 foot buffer, but we feel the

8239
04:36:17,646 --> 04:36:17,846
height and with the massing

8240
04:36:17,846 --> 04:36:19,846
, on

8241
04:36:22,685 --> 04:36:23,552
the other side of the parkway

8242
04:36:23,552 --> 04:36:24,486
of a much more intact buffer.

8243
04:36:24,486 --> 04:36:27,486
We feel respectfully the buffer

8244
04:36:28,657 --> 04:36:32,257
should be increased and also we

8245
04:36:39,501 --> 04:36:40,402
feel that there is a thin

8246
04:36:40,402 --> 04:36:40,636
amount of pine trees along the

8247
04:36:40,636 --> 04:36:41,337
parkway.

8248
04:36:41,337 --> 04:36:42,338
Also, the applicants are

8249
04:36:42,338 --> 04:36:42,671
requesting to modify the buffer

8250
04:36:42,671 --> 04:36:42,838
to the south.

8251
04:36:42,838 --> 04:36:43,572
We

8252
04:36:43,572 --> 04:36:44,340
really feel that should still

8253
04:36:44,340 --> 04:36:44,639
be 50 feet because it is

8254
04:36:44,639 --> 04:36:45,274
backing up.

8255
04:36:45,274 --> 04:36:45,975
We want to have that

8256
04:36:45,975 --> 04:36:49,575
separation, but we look at all

8257
04:36:51,580 --> 04:36:52,140
these things she in

8258
04:36:52,140 --> 04:36:54,140
combination.

8259
04:37:03,225 --> 04:37:03,826
Not in isolation.

8260
04:37:03,826 --> 04:37:04,393
This is again, the public

8261
04:37:04,393 --> 04:37:04,560
street alternative.

8262
04:37:04,560 --> 04:37:05,294
You

8263
04:37:05,294 --> 04:37:06,195
are looking at the stock

8264
04:37:06,195 --> 04:37:06,896
multifamily and personal in the

8265
04:37:06,896 --> 04:37:08,300
traditional piece to the east

8266
04:37:08,300 --> 04:37:09,640
here.

8267
04:37:09,640 --> 04:37:10,499
Until the height increases only

8268
04:37:10,499 --> 04:37:12,899
for the stacked multifamily.

8269
04:37:14,803 --> 04:37:15,604
It is not for the traditional

8270
04:37:15,604 --> 04:37:18,604
there is also a setback

8271
04:37:24,113 --> 04:37:25,140
modification as well.

8272
04:37:25,140 --> 04:37:25,981
These are the elevations with

8273
04:37:25,981 --> 04:37:26,982
the stock multifamily to the

8274
04:37:26,982 --> 04:37:29,382
left in the traditional

8275
04:37:38,961 --> 04:37:39,461
multifamily to the right.

8276
04:37:39,461 --> 04:37:40,620
Just a couple of

8277
04:37:40,620 --> 04:37:40,229
things to point

8278
04:37:40,229 --> 04:37:40,963
out.

8279
04:37:40,963 --> 04:37:41,263
Overall we are supporting the

8280
04:37:41,263 --> 04:37:42,164
application.

8281
04:37:42,164 --> 04:37:42,965
we look at land use and design

8282
04:37:42,965 --> 04:37:43,666
and all those things.

8283
04:37:43,666 --> 04:37:44,133
However, we feel environment

8284
04:37:44,133 --> 04:37:46,101
our concerns.

8285
04:37:46,101 --> 04:37:47,303
We understand we are not going

8286
04:37:47,303 --> 04:37:48,300
to solve this all through the

8287
04:37:48,300 --> 04:37:49,204
districting issue, but we look

8288
04:37:49,204 --> 04:37:52,204
at what schools have provided

8289
04:37:54,376 --> 04:37:55,440
us.

8290
04:37:55,440 --> 04:37:55,844
Just a couple of things to

8291
04:37:55,844 --> 04:37:57,546
point out with the loss of

8292
04:37:57,546 --> 04:37:58,581
vegetated areas.

8293
04:37:58,581 --> 04:37:59,800
The need for increase on site

8294
04:37:59,800 --> 04:38:01,800
preservation.

8295
04:38:04,720 --> 04:38:05,654
We feel there could still be

8296
04:38:05,654 --> 04:38:06,322
great or tree preservation on

8297
04:38:06,322 --> 04:38:09,322
site and they could increase

8298
04:38:14,429 --> 04:38:15,264
the buffer by not losing a lot

8299
04:38:15,264 --> 04:38:15,897
of units by enhanced tree

8300
04:38:15,897 --> 04:38:16,365
preservation, particularly

8301
04:38:16,365 --> 04:38:17,666
along the parkway.

8302
04:38:17,666 --> 04:38:18,300
We feel there are still

8303
04:38:18,300 --> 04:38:20,700
opportunities for on-site tree

8304
04:38:23,720 --> 04:38:23,706
preservation.

8305
04:38:23,706 --> 04:38:24,807
The applicant based on the

8306
04:38:24,807 --> 04:38:25,708
planning commission discussion

8307
04:38:25,708 --> 04:38:26,575
did add a commitment for impact

8308
04:38:26,575 --> 04:38:28,975
development, but we feel

8309
04:38:31,280 --> 04:38:32,147
environmentally with a lot of

8310
04:38:32,147 --> 04:38:33,150
areas that will be gone and we

8311
04:38:33,150 --> 04:38:33,983
have to look at what the intent

8312
04:38:33,983 --> 04:38:34,149
of the environment policies

8313
04:38:34,149 --> 04:38:34,316
are.

8314
04:38:34,316 --> 04:38:34,783
So

8315
04:38:34,783 --> 04:38:37,319
the environment was a no.

8316
04:38:37,319 --> 04:38:40,919
Schools we feel there are still

8317
04:38:41,257 --> 04:38:42,900
unmitigated impacts based on

8318
04:38:42,900 --> 04:38:45,900
the scope capacity for the

8319
04:38:46,610 --> 04:38:46,729
elementary school.

8320
04:38:46,729 --> 04:38:49,729
We also have some concerns

8321
04:38:55,570 --> 04:38:56,472
about the analysis schools have

8322
04:38:56,472 --> 04:38:57,473
brought up they don't agree

8323
04:38:57,473 --> 04:38:58,730
with the methodology.

8324
04:38:58,730 --> 04:38:58,340
The applicant has done their

8325
04:38:58,340 --> 04:39:00,340
analysis.

8326
04:39:02,878 --> 04:39:03,145
We look at proffers as being

8327
04:39:03,145 --> 04:39:03,913
voluntary.

8328
04:39:03,913 --> 04:39:04,913
S just interesting

8329
04:39:04,913 --> 04:39:05,714
to point out this does not have

8330
04:39:05,714 --> 04:39:06,949
a monetary contribution for

8331
04:39:06,949 --> 04:39:08,949
schools.

8332
04:39:11,587 --> 04:39:11,787
But hoadley square to the west

8333
04:39:11,787 --> 04:39:12,555
does.

8334
04:39:12,555 --> 04:39:14,955
Do something to absorb.

8335
04:39:16,580 --> 04:39:16,792
And community design we feel

8336
04:39:16,792 --> 04:39:17,593
again, with an undisturbed

8337
04:39:17,593 --> 04:39:19,993
greater buffer along the

8338
04:39:22,431 --> 04:39:23,650
parkway louisville with a

8339
04:39:23,650 --> 04:39:24,400
greater buffer to the south

8340
04:39:24,400 --> 04:39:27,400
that could fully mitigate the

8341
04:39:31,240 --> 04:39:32,241
impacts.

8342
04:39:32,241 --> 04:39:32,541
But we look at everything in

8343
04:39:32,541 --> 04:39:33,375
combination.

8344
04:39:33,375 --> 04:39:36,212
With the modifications we are

8345
04:39:36,212 --> 04:39:37,213
supporting all of them.

8346
04:39:37,213 --> 04:39:40,213
We feel the contiguous buffer

8347
04:39:43,886 --> 04:39:44,119
for 40 feet that would be more

8348
04:39:44,119 --> 04:39:44,954
50 feet.

8349
04:39:44,954 --> 04:39:46,880
We ask for that numerous times

8350
04:39:46,880 --> 04:39:46,488
but we respect the applicants

8351
04:39:46,488 --> 04:39:48,488
position on that.

8352
04:39:50,626 --> 04:39:51,126
And we feel the setbacks are

8353
04:39:51,126 --> 04:39:51,460
based on the safety

8354
04:39:51,460 --> 04:39:52,294
requirements.

8355
04:39:52,294 --> 04:39:54,295
I would be looked at later on

8356
04:39:54,295 --> 04:39:56,695
in the site process.

8357
04:39:56,898 --> 04:39:57,132
With todd in combination

8358
04:39:57,132 --> 04:39:58,234
, the

8359
04:39:58,234 --> 04:39:58,601
planning commission recommended

8360
04:39:58,601 --> 04:40:00,469
denial.

8361
04:40:00,469 --> 04:40:02,869
There was a lotto

8362
04:40:08,344 --> 04:40:09,311
discussion because there is a

8363
04:40:09,311 --> 04:40:10,145
time with a potential itech it

8364
04:40:10,145 --> 04:40:10,913
component in the interest to

8365
04:40:10,913 --> 04:40:11,800
move this forward to the board

8366
04:40:11,800 --> 04:40:12,470
,

8367
04:40:12,470 --> 04:40:14,470
the planning commission

8368
04:40:23,559 --> 04:40:24,930
recommended did not know.

8369
04:40:24,930 --> 04:40:24,760
We have to note it was

8370
04:40:24,760 --> 04:40:25,693
recommended.

8371
04:40:25,693 --> 04:40:26,528
Staff is recommending approval.

8372
04:40:26,528 --> 04:40:27,562
Staff is still recommending

8373
04:40:27,562 --> 04:40:28,970
approval with revised proffers

8374
04:40:28,970 --> 04:40:29,630
dated NOVEMBER 26.

8375
04:40:29,630 --> 04:40:29,531
We feel this meets and directly

8376
04:40:29,531 --> 04:40:30,320
implements that

8377
04:40:30,320 --> 04:40:30,799
because that is

8378
04:40:30,799 --> 04:40:34,399
what the current plan land uses

8379
04:40:40,175 --> 04:40:41,176
.

8380
04:40:41,176 --> 04:40:42,111
We feel is proffered we are

8381
04:40:42,111 --> 04:40:42,678
going to have a cohesive

8382
04:40:42,678 --> 04:40:43,312
quality development,

8383
04:40:43,312 --> 04:40:44,680
multifamily housing options.

8384
04:40:44,680 --> 04:40:45,381
Most notably the affordability

8385
04:40:45,381 --> 04:40:46,382
component we have to look out

8386
04:40:46,382 --> 04:40:47,349
good things and the things that

8387
04:40:47,349 --> 04:40:50,286
could use improvement over all.

8388
04:40:50,286 --> 04:40:50,786
We feel this directly provides

8389
04:40:50,786 --> 04:40:51,519
greater housing and

8390
04:40:51,519 --> 04:40:53,519
affordability component and

8391
04:41:01,297 --> 04:41:01,764
also meets the intent of the

8392
04:41:01,764 --> 04:41:02,665
strategic plan.

8393
04:41:02,665 --> 04:41:03,232
With that I will be happy to

8394
04:41:03,232 --> 04:41:04,266
answer questions.

8395
04:41:04,266 --> 04:41:04,967
We have transportation staff

8396
04:41:04,967 --> 04:41:06,100
and I wanted to mention meals

8397
04:41:06,100 --> 04:41:06,302
at the health department as

8398
04:41:06,302 --> 04:41:06,869
well.

8399
04:41:06,869 --> 04:41:07,870
Nd planning commission

8400
04:41:07,870 --> 04:41:10,272
there was a lotto discussion

8401
04:41:10,272 --> 04:41:13,272
about septic and water quality.

8402
04:41:15,411 --> 04:41:16,111
With that, thank you.

8403
04:41:16,111 --> 04:41:16,945
I will answer any questions if

8404
04:41:16,945 --> 04:41:19,848
I can then we have staff as

8405
04:41:19,848 --> 04:41:21,150
well.

8406
04:41:21,150 --> 04:41:21,784
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

8407
04:41:21,784 --> 04:41:22,351
supervisor boddye then vegas be

8408
04:41:22,351 --> 04:41:23,520
too thank you for the

8409
04:41:23,520 --> 04:41:24,119
presentation and all of your

8410
04:41:24,119 --> 04:41:25,186
work on this

8411
04:41:25,186 --> 04:41:26,155
.

8412
04:41:26,155 --> 04:41:28,190
Can we go to transportation for

8413
04:41:28,190 --> 04:41:30,190
a second?

8414
04:41:34,896 --> 04:41:35,297
She split kevin, transportation

8415
04:41:35,297 --> 04:41:36,232
planning manager.

8416
04:41:36,232 --> 04:41:38,167
What specifically.

8417
04:41:38,167 --> 04:41:40,167
>> Kenny Boddye: sure.

8418
04:41:44,272 --> 04:41:45,740
Can you talk about the options

8419
04:41:45,740 --> 04:41:45,708
being talked out with the

8420
04:41:45,708 --> 04:41:48,108
interim staff for prince

8421
04:41:48,143 --> 04:41:48,811
william pkwy.

8422
04:41:48,811 --> 04:41:51,811
The ideas in the future?

8423
04:41:51,847 --> 04:41:55,447
>> we are zeroing in from the

8424
04:41:57,453 --> 04:41:58,187
left bound approach on the

8425
04:41:58,187 --> 04:42:01,890
parkway, but by no means is not

8426
04:42:01,890 --> 04:42:01,857
the only option.

8427
04:42:01,857 --> 04:42:02,458
There are other options as far

8428
04:42:02,458 --> 04:42:04,858
as a long term

8429
04:42:16,238 --> 04:42:16,972
improvements.

8430
04:42:16,972 --> 04:42:17,873
Not only can then be similar to

8431
04:42:17,873 --> 04:42:18,807
the improvements if that is

8432
04:42:18,807 --> 04:42:19,375
what is considered to be the

8433
04:42:19,375 --> 04:42:20,242
most feasible from an

8434
04:42:20,242 --> 04:42:20,976
efficiency standpoint, but

8435
04:42:20,976 --> 04:42:21,877
there are options being looked

8436
04:42:21,877 --> 04:42:22,711
at right now as part of the

8437
04:42:22,711 --> 04:42:23,445
stars study we should get the

8438
04:42:23,445 --> 04:42:24,279
results sometime in 2026 and

8439
04:42:24,279 --> 04:42:24,847
begin to move forward with the

8440
04:42:24,847 --> 04:42:27,247
project in the future

8441
04:42:31,287 --> 04:42:32,210
hopefully.

8442
04:42:32,210 --> 04:42:32,922
>> Kenny Boddye: 2026 is when

8443
04:42:32,922 --> 04:42:34,256
we will have the results?

8444
04:42:34,256 --> 04:42:37,159
>> meant 2026 the study will be

8445
04:42:37,159 --> 04:42:38,193
closed out.

8446
04:42:38,193 --> 04:42:38,794
>> Kenny Boddye: this is partly

8447
04:42:38,794 --> 04:42:39,862
a you question and partly

8448
04:42:39,862 --> 04:42:40,950
escott question

8449
04:42:40,950 --> 04:42:42,950
.

8450
04:42:42,498 --> 04:42:46,980
A box of the southern buffer

8451
04:42:46,368 --> 04:42:47,360
along the shopping center.

8452
04:42:47,360 --> 04:42:51,236
Can you guys helped me out in

8453
04:42:54,743 --> 04:42:55,377
terms of the balance sheet

8454
04:42:55,377 --> 04:42:56,245
between wanting and walking

8455
04:42:56,245 --> 04:42:57,246
multimodal time development in

8456
04:42:57,246 --> 04:42:57,880
this desire data buffers.

8457
04:42:57,880 --> 04:43:01,183
You guys like walk ability and

8458
04:43:01,183 --> 04:43:01,884
everything to be multimodal.

8459
04:43:01,884 --> 04:43:02,685
If you're pushing these back

8460
04:43:02,685 --> 04:43:05,850
that makes things less

8461
04:43:05,854 --> 04:43:07,854
walkable.

8462
04:43:09,959 --> 04:43:13,262
>> we look at a combination of

8463
04:43:13,262 --> 04:43:13,996
things.

8464
04:43:13,996 --> 04:43:15,364
The standard is to provide a 50

8465
04:43:15,364 --> 04:43:17,764
foot buffer between commercial

8466
04:43:21,403 --> 04:43:22,404
and residential.

8467
04:43:22,404 --> 04:43:24,106
There is a connection point

8468
04:43:24,106 --> 04:43:26,506
which is right here.

8469
04:43:31,447 --> 04:43:32,147
But we feel because this is in

8470
04:43:32,147 --> 04:43:32,948
the rear of the shopping center

8471
04:43:32,948 --> 04:43:34,383
is loading set forth in.

8472
04:43:34,383 --> 04:43:35,150
We feel that there is an

8473
04:43:35,150 --> 04:43:37,550
opportunity to still increase

8474
04:43:37,686 --> 04:43:37,920
the planning commission

8475
04:43:37,920 --> 04:43:38,888
.

8476
04:43:38,888 --> 04:43:42,191
I will say there was a

8477
04:43:42,191 --> 04:43:43,125
discussion of over shifting the

8478
04:43:43,125 --> 04:43:45,127
amenity area closer to the red

8479
04:43:45,127 --> 04:43:45,361
dot is

8480
04:43:45,361 --> 04:43:45,895
.

8481
04:43:45,895 --> 04:43:48,620
that was not done.

8482
04:43:48,620 --> 04:43:52,862
This is in the only way to do

8483
04:43:57,439 --> 04:43:58,730
this, but with a lookup with

8484
04:43:58,730 --> 04:43:59,740
the intent of buffering is.

8485
04:43:59,740 --> 04:43:59,942
With environmental services, is

8486
04:43:59,942 --> 04:44:00,309
there anything that you wanted

8487
04:44:00,309 --> 04:44:01,310
to do?

8488
04:44:01,310 --> 04:44:06,480
I want to make sure that I am

8489
04:44:06,480 --> 04:44:06,882
reflecting my we were holding

8490
04:44:06,882 --> 04:44:09,282
and winning the 50 foot

8491
04:44:11,387 --> 04:44:12,200
deceptive.

8492
04:44:12,200 --> 04:44:14,200
>> basically for minimum

8493
04:44:19,940 --> 04:44:20,362
standards and so with this

8494
04:44:20,362 --> 04:44:23,962
being it is backing the loading

8495
04:44:26,680 --> 04:44:27,690
area we wanted more screening.

8496
04:44:27,690 --> 04:44:27,335
It does allow for perpendicular

8497
04:44:27,335 --> 04:44:27,970
crossings.

8498
04:44:27,970 --> 04:44:30,970
Of your concern is walk

8499
04:44:31,574 --> 04:44:34,574
ability, they can certainly add

8500
04:44:37,780 --> 04:44:38,130
more crossings through the

8501
04:44:38,130 --> 04:44:38,447
buffer.

8502
04:44:38,447 --> 04:44:39,381
Ut being there going

8503
04:44:39,381 --> 04:44:39,982
to be walking back to where the

8504
04:44:39,982 --> 04:44:41,684
trucks are loading, that's a

8505
04:44:41,684 --> 04:44:45,284
concern for us which is public

8506
04:44:47,189 --> 04:44:47,890
safety.

8507
04:44:47,890 --> 04:44:48,557
>> Kenny Boddye: scott, last

8508
04:44:48,557 --> 04:44:51,557
one for me right now.

8509
04:44:53,462 --> 04:44:54,163
The light tech piece.

8510
04:44:54,163 --> 04:44:54,997
Can you talk about more about

8511
04:44:54,997 --> 04:44:59,197
that and how that works in the

8512
04:44:59,868 --> 04:45:00,603
thought process?

8513
04:45:00,603 --> 04:45:01,470
You talked about there was a

8514
04:45:01,470 --> 04:45:02,104
lotto discussion about that.

8515
04:45:02,104 --> 04:45:02,905
>> yes.

8516
04:45:02,905 --> 04:45:03,205
With the affordability

8517
04:45:03,205 --> 04:45:04,372
component

8518
04:45:04,372 --> 04:45:06,942
the applicant is proposing to

8519
04:45:06,942 --> 04:45:07,610
options.

8520
04:45:07,610 --> 04:45:08,444
We are looking at the light

8521
04:45:08,444 --> 04:45:10,844
tech component for the

8522
04:45:11,180 --> 04:45:11,881
traditional multifamily.

8523
04:45:11,881 --> 04:45:14,183
Or if not, they are looking at

8524
04:45:14,183 --> 04:45:16,183
where the traditional 80

8525
04:45:18,821 --> 04:45:19,822
percent of ami.

8526
04:45:19,822 --> 04:45:22,222
The planning commission, there

8527
04:45:28,696 --> 04:45:29,398
was an interest to keep this

8528
04:45:29,398 --> 04:45:29,999
moving in terms of the timing

8529
04:45:29,999 --> 04:45:30,699
with the funding.

8530
04:45:30,699 --> 04:45:32,334
I will let the applicant

8531
04:45:32,334 --> 04:45:33,235
explain more, but I will say

8532
04:45:33,235 --> 04:45:35,635
the planning commission, they

8533
04:45:38,340 --> 04:45:39,108
recommended denial to

8534
04:45:39,108 --> 04:45:40,876
procedurally still allow this

8535
04:45:40,876 --> 04:45:44,476
to move forward because it was

8536
04:45:44,747 --> 04:45:45,881
.

8537
04:45:45,881 --> 04:45:46,849
>> tonya washington, planning

8538
04:45:46,849 --> 04:45:47,416
director.

8539
04:45:47,416 --> 04:45:50,416
The first motion of the

8540
04:45:52,655 --> 04:45:53,388
planning commission was

8541
04:45:53,388 --> 04:45:54,256
recommendation of approval, but

8542
04:45:54,256 --> 04:45:54,590
it was a split vote so that

8543
04:45:54,590 --> 04:45:56,590
motion failed.

8544
04:46:01,196 --> 04:46:02,310
And made a

8545
04:46:02,310 --> 04:46:02,998
comment of the planning

8546
04:46:02,998 --> 04:46:04,330
commission nodded the planning

8547
04:46:04,330 --> 04:46:05,000
commission did not take action

8548
04:46:05,000 --> 04:46:06,100
on this obligation within 90

8549
04:46:06,100 --> 04:46:08,370
days, the obligation would then

8550
04:46:08,370 --> 04:46:11,637
move forward to the board with

8551
04:46:11,874 --> 04:46:12,908
an assumption of approval.

8552
04:46:12,908 --> 04:46:17,108
But I also make note that the

8553
04:46:21,490 --> 04:46:21,917
applicant discussed this a

8554
04:46:21,917 --> 04:46:22,318
light tech component they do

8555
04:46:22,318 --> 04:46:22,651
have an upcoming

8556
04:46:22,651 --> 04:46:22,917
deadline next

8557
04:46:22,917 --> 04:46:23,552
year.

8558
04:46:23,552 --> 04:46:25,221
Nd so I shared that for

8559
04:46:25,221 --> 04:46:25,920
their consideration.

8560
04:46:25,920 --> 04:46:26,722
And subsequently there was a

8561
04:46:26,722 --> 04:46:29,122
second motion to recommend

8562
04:46:29,258 --> 04:46:29,959
denial to make sure the

8563
04:46:29,959 --> 04:46:31,627
application can continue to

8564
04:46:31,627 --> 04:46:33,329
move forward to the board so

8565
04:46:33,329 --> 04:46:36,929
the board can take action and

8566
04:46:38,334 --> 04:46:39,368
if it were approved they could

8567
04:46:39,368 --> 04:46:42,368
presumably meet the light tech

8568
04:46:44,673 --> 04:46:45,373
application deadline.

8569
04:46:45,373 --> 04:46:46,275
>> Kenny Boddye: scott was

8570
04:46:46,275 --> 04:46:49,275
tagging in the applicant for

8571
04:46:50,346 --> 04:46:51,346
the light tech piece.

8572
04:46:51,346 --> 04:46:53,346
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

8573
04:46:55,284 --> 04:46:58,284
did you have anything else?

8574
04:47:00,356 --> 04:47:01,257
>> the deadline to have your

8575
04:47:01,257 --> 04:47:03,359
light tech application is is

8576
04:47:03,359 --> 04:47:05,359
MARCH 15.

8577
04:47:06,128 --> 04:47:06,795
In the event it is not approved

8578
04:47:06,795 --> 04:47:07,162
the applicant add a specific

8579
04:47:07,162 --> 04:47:09,162
proffer

8580
04:47:09,965 --> 04:47:10,966
.

8581
04:47:10,966 --> 04:47:14,803
i can read that to you or just

8582
04:47:14,803 --> 04:47:16,803
reference it.

8583
04:47:19,800 --> 04:47:20,750
Proffer for b states in the

8584
04:47:20,750 --> 04:47:22,475
event the light tech

8585
04:47:25,881 --> 04:47:26,482
application is not awarded, the

8586
04:47:26,482 --> 04:47:28,250
building would be made

8587
04:47:28,250 --> 04:47:30,250
available making 80 percent

8588
04:47:32,354 --> 04:47:33,220
ami.

8589
04:47:33,220 --> 04:47:34,657
That would be in a portable

8590
04:47:34,657 --> 04:47:36,792
dwelling unit building and not

8591
04:47:36,792 --> 04:47:39,192
a market rate building.

8592
04:47:45,100 --> 04:47:46,135
You are welcome.

8593
04:47:46,135 --> 04:47:46,602
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

8594
04:47:46,602 --> 04:47:47,403
supervisor vega.

8595
04:47:47,403 --> 04:47:49,471
>> Yesli Vega: scott, I have a

8596
04:47:49,471 --> 04:47:50,710
few questions for you.

8597
04:47:50,710 --> 04:47:52,575
Remind me what the total

8598
04:47:52,575 --> 04:47:55,575
acreage of this property is.

8599
04:47:59,114 --> 04:48:00,115
>> it is 22.4.

8600
04:48:00,115 --> 04:48:01,116
>> Yesli Vega: how many stacked

8601
04:48:01,116 --> 04:48:04,116
buildings are we talking about.

8602
04:48:05,988 --> 04:48:07,655
>> we are looking at the 242.

8603
04:48:07,655 --> 04:48:07,923
In terms of the buildings were

8604
04:48:07,923 --> 04:48:08,190
the units?

8605
04:48:08,190 --> 04:48:10,190
I'm sorry.

8606
04:48:12,361 --> 04:48:14,230
>> Yesli Vega: the buildings.

8607
04:48:14,230 --> 04:48:16,630
>> looking at the sticks

8608
04:48:20,469 --> 04:48:21,869
.

8609
04:48:21,869 --> 04:48:22,104
>> Yesli Vega: let me make it

8610
04:48:22,104 --> 04:48:22,738
easier.

8611
04:48:22,738 --> 04:48:23,472
What percentage of the project

8612
04:48:23,472 --> 04:48:24,139
is composed of stacked

8613
04:48:24,139 --> 04:48:26,139
buildings?

8614
04:48:26,542 --> 04:48:28,542
>> probably 80 percent.

8615
04:48:30,579 --> 04:48:32,579
>> Yesli Vega: okay.

8616
04:48:36,485 --> 04:48:37,453
You answered questions in

8617
04:48:37,453 --> 04:48:40,453
regards to proffers for schools

8618
04:48:43,525 --> 04:48:44,193
and traffic.

8619
04:48:44,193 --> 04:48:45,194
There was a comment made that

8620
04:48:45,194 --> 04:48:48,194
the pmr standards are outdated.

8621
04:48:49,431 --> 04:48:50,432
Can you expand on that?

8622
04:48:50,432 --> 04:48:50,665
>> maybe the applicant could

8623
04:48:50,665 --> 04:48:51,432
expand.

8624
04:48:51,432 --> 04:48:54,470
I know that we often get

8625
04:48:54,470 --> 04:48:55,169
waivers to meet current market

8626
04:48:55,169 --> 04:48:57,569
demands and development trends

8627
04:48:59,942 --> 04:49:00,976
.

8628
04:49:00,976 --> 04:49:04,576
Pmr, it's not uncommon to have

8629
04:49:07,283 --> 04:49:08,500
waivers that go with that.

8630
04:49:08,500 --> 04:49:08,884
One could say they are outdated

8631
04:49:08,884 --> 04:49:10,519
that I can't say that one way

8632
04:49:10,519 --> 04:49:11,520
or the other.

8633
04:49:11,520 --> 04:49:15,120
They are intended to have more

8634
04:49:21,297 --> 04:49:21,931
flexibility.

8635
04:49:21,931 --> 04:49:22,664
>> Yesli Vega: yup MS.

8636
04:49:22,664 --> 04:49:23,798
Washington behind to.

8637
04:49:23,798 --> 04:49:24,366
>> as part of the comprehensive

8638
04:49:24,366 --> 04:49:26,302
update, one of our big

8639
04:49:26,302 --> 04:49:26,902
objectives is to update the

8640
04:49:26,902 --> 04:49:27,369
zoning ordinance in full

8641
04:49:27,369 --> 04:49:29,369
alignment with the

8642
04:49:30,372 --> 04:49:30,973
comprehensive plan and as a

8643
04:49:30,973 --> 04:49:34,176
part of the scope of work we

8644
04:49:34,176 --> 04:49:34,810
will be looking up.

8645
04:49:34,810 --> 04:49:37,210
And actually, we already

8646
04:49:37,947 --> 04:49:38,847
provided to our consultant of a

8647
04:49:38,847 --> 04:49:42,447
sample of the waivers we see

8648
04:49:47,656 --> 04:49:48,424
frequently.

8649
04:49:48,424 --> 04:49:49,325
Related to the issues in terms

8650
04:49:49,325 --> 04:49:50,259
of zoning ordinance standards

8651
04:49:50,259 --> 04:49:51,160
and how they do or don't meet

8652
04:49:51,160 --> 04:49:53,395
with the policy goals of the

8653
04:49:53,395 --> 04:49:53,762
comprehensive plan

8654
04:49:53,762 --> 04:49:54,363
.

8655
04:49:54,363 --> 04:49:55,231
Pmr being a good example

8656
04:49:55,231 --> 04:49:58,566
because we see that often with

8657
04:49:58,566 --> 04:49:58,734
these types of applications

8658
04:49:58,734 --> 04:49:59,701
.

8659
04:49:59,701 --> 04:50:02,701
That is something we are

8660
04:50:06,175 --> 04:50:07,142
looking at so we can bring the

8661
04:50:07,142 --> 04:50:07,710
zoning ordinance standards a

8662
04:50:07,710 --> 04:50:08,644
better alignment with the

8663
04:50:08,644 --> 04:50:11,644
company and supplant and reduce

8664
04:50:16,385 --> 04:50:17,285
the need for waivers for these

8665
04:50:17,285 --> 04:50:17,953
types of circumstances.

8666
04:50:17,953 --> 04:50:18,487
>> Yesli Vega: thank you.

8667
04:50:18,487 --> 04:50:19,555
Back to you, scott.

8668
04:50:19,555 --> 04:50:20,456
You mentioned the concerns that

8669
04:50:20,456 --> 04:50:22,791
led to the planning commission

8670
04:50:22,791 --> 04:50:23,325
denial of this application and

8671
04:50:23,325 --> 04:50:24,526
you highlighted some.

8672
04:50:24,526 --> 04:50:24,759
I see there are two proffers

8673
04:50:24,759 --> 04:50:26,729
listed.

8674
04:50:26,729 --> 04:50:29,129
Or at least highlighted.

8675
04:50:31,267 --> 04:50:31,901
I know that there are more out

8676
04:50:31,901 --> 04:50:34,901
of the 21 is being accepted

8677
04:50:41,544 --> 04:50:42,511
with contingencies and the

8678
04:50:42,511 --> 04:50:43,712
other one stop does not support

8679
04:50:43,712 --> 04:50:44,446
as submitted.

8680
04:50:44,446 --> 04:50:45,414
No, I do know that there is a

8681
04:50:45,414 --> 04:50:48,414
request for waiver in regards

8682
04:50:49,351 --> 04:50:50,184
to parking but for public

8683
04:50:50,184 --> 04:50:51,921
record and awareness, can you

8684
04:50:51,921 --> 04:50:52,187
talk to me about the parking

8685
04:50:52,187 --> 04:50:53,422
situation?

8686
04:50:53,422 --> 04:50:55,822
>> the site as proposed

8687
04:51:03,198 --> 04:51:04,990
, they

8688
04:51:04,990 --> 04:51:05,100
are providing 40 or 50 spaces.

8689
04:51:05,100 --> 04:51:05,301
>> Yesli Vega: it is going

8690
04:51:05,301 --> 04:51:06,869
over?

8691
04:51:06,869 --> 04:51:07,870
>> yes.

8692
04:51:07,870 --> 04:51:08,903
Based on the minimum

8693
04:51:08,903 --> 04:51:09,872
requirements because with these

8694
04:51:09,872 --> 04:51:11,473
condo developments parking is a

8695
04:51:11,473 --> 04:51:11,640
concern on site

8696
04:51:11,640 --> 04:51:13,640
.

8697
04:51:14,810 --> 04:51:15,511
>> Yesli Vega: okay.

8698
04:51:15,511 --> 04:51:19,111
And then the last question I

8699
04:51:19,114 --> 04:51:19,481
have is in regards to buffers

8700
04:51:19,481 --> 04:51:20,114
.

8701
04:51:20,114 --> 04:51:20,983
You talked a lot about the

8702
04:51:20,983 --> 04:51:24,920
buffers and I know that was a

8703
04:51:24,920 --> 04:51:27,320
point of great discussion

8704
04:51:27,690 --> 04:51:28,691
during the pc hearing also.

8705
04:51:28,691 --> 04:51:31,527
My concern stems, I know you

8706
04:51:31,527 --> 04:51:32,428
talked about the buffer along

8707
04:51:32,428 --> 04:51:36,280
the parkway, but I know we

8708
04:51:36,699 --> 04:51:37,533
received concerns in regards to

8709
04:51:37,533 --> 04:51:40,533
the buffer that abuts the

8710
04:51:40,869 --> 04:51:41,837
commercial property.

8711
04:51:41,837 --> 04:51:44,837
Based on my understanding of

8712
04:51:47,408 --> 04:51:48,377
your comments, this has been a

8713
04:51:48,377 --> 04:51:48,944
request made but I guess we

8714
04:51:48,944 --> 04:51:51,944
haven't been able to reach

8715
04:51:52,214 --> 04:51:52,815
common ground?

8716
04:51:52,815 --> 04:51:53,849
>> that is correct.

8717
04:51:53,849 --> 04:51:56,852
We feel it should be increased

8718
04:51:56,852 --> 04:51:57,853
to 50 feet.

8719
04:51:57,853 --> 04:51:58,520
>> Yesli Vega: those are all

8720
04:51:58,520 --> 04:52:00,623
the questions I have for now.

8721
04:52:00,623 --> 04:52:01,623
Thank you.

8722
04:52:01,623 --> 04:52:02,258
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

8723
04:52:02,258 --> 04:52:04,159
does anyone else on the dais

8724
04:52:04,159 --> 04:52:04,426
have questions?

8725
04:52:04,426 --> 04:52:06,426
All right.

8726
04:52:06,962 --> 04:52:10,432
If not, I'm going to go ahead

8727
04:52:10,432 --> 04:52:14,320
and open the public hearing for

8728
04:52:23,312 --> 04:52:23,979
agenda item 13 a and that is

8729
04:52:23,979 --> 04:52:24,780
maple valley road to.

8730
04:52:24,780 --> 04:52:25,681
I already have a list of people

8731
04:52:25,681 --> 04:52:26,615
who have signed up to speak in

8732
04:52:26,615 --> 04:52:26,815
person and I'm sure there are

8733
04:52:26,815 --> 04:52:27,616
more.

8734
04:52:27,616 --> 04:52:29,718
I'm going to call you in groups

8735
04:52:29,718 --> 04:52:30,352
of five.

8736
04:52:30,352 --> 04:52:31,954
You have three minutes.

8737
04:52:31,954 --> 04:52:32,721
If you are with an organization

8738
04:52:32,721 --> 04:52:35,240
recognized by the board you

8739
04:52:35,240 --> 04:52:35,791
have five minutes and we cannot

8740
04:52:35,791 --> 04:52:38,791
have two people from the

8741
04:52:40,329 --> 04:52:40,996
organization.

8742
04:52:40,996 --> 04:52:41,797
Would like to start with MR.

8743
04:52:41,797 --> 04:52:43,797
Martin, delta nichols

8744
04:52:44,333 --> 04:52:46,333
, larry

8745
04:52:46,835 --> 04:52:48,835
brenneman

8746
04:52:50,205 --> 04:52:52,205
, chris cummings and

8747
04:52:58,447 --> 04:52:59,215
then jessica francis.

8748
04:52:59,215 --> 04:53:00,849
Would like to remind everyone

8749
04:53:00,849 --> 04:53:04,449
to make sure you state your

8750
04:53:11,660 --> 04:53:12,694
name clearly and in the

8751
04:53:12,694 --> 04:53:12,895
magisterial district where you

8752
04:53:12,895 --> 04:53:13,662
aside.

8753
04:53:13,662 --> 04:53:14,430
You don't need to give your

8754
04:53:14,430 --> 04:53:15,164
home address it.

8755
04:53:15,164 --> 04:53:15,898
Make sure you adjust the

8756
04:53:15,898 --> 04:53:19,498
microphone so we can hear you.

8757
04:53:28,210 --> 04:53:28,711
That is very important.

8758
04:53:28,711 --> 04:53:30,711
>> good evening.

8759
04:53:31,247 --> 04:53:32,248
My name is martin.

8760
04:53:32,248 --> 04:53:34,248
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

8761
04:53:36,352 --> 04:53:36,986
adjust the microphone.

8762
04:53:36,986 --> 04:53:38,200
>> my name is martin.

8763
04:53:38,200 --> 04:53:41,620
I live in the occoquan district

8764
04:53:42,240 --> 04:53:42,925
and me representing the civic

8765
04:53:42,925 --> 04:53:44,193
association and I would like

8766
04:53:44,193 --> 04:53:45,561
the extended time if I could.

8767
04:53:45,561 --> 04:53:47,997
I want to welcome MR. Stewart

8768
04:53:47,997 --> 04:53:48,797
to the board

8769
04:53:48,797 --> 04:53:49,765
.

8770
04:53:49,765 --> 04:53:53,365
I look forward to working with

8771
04:53:54,300 --> 04:53:54,602
you.

8772
04:53:54,602 --> 04:53:55,371
Ready had a fairly short

8773
04:53:55,371 --> 04:53:56,171
conversation but looking

8774
04:53:56,171 --> 04:53:56,705
forward to working with you in

8775
04:53:56,705 --> 04:53:58,307
the future.

8776
04:53:58,307 --> 04:53:59,308
Want to thank the applicant

8777
04:53:59,308 --> 04:54:01,708
coming ultimate county civic

8778
04:54:01,911 --> 04:54:04,311
association and sharing the

8779
04:54:06,849 --> 04:54:07,550
information on the program.

8780
04:54:07,550 --> 04:54:09,950
We digested their information

8781
04:54:10,653 --> 04:54:11,654
and took a look at the project

8782
04:54:11,654 --> 04:54:12,721
and send a letter to the board

8783
04:54:12,721 --> 04:54:14,657
previously from the mid-county

8784
04:54:14,657 --> 04:54:15,324
association in prince william

8785
04:54:15,324 --> 04:54:17,324
county conservation alliance

8786
04:54:20,280 --> 04:54:20,663
asking that you deny the

8787
04:54:20,663 --> 04:54:21,397
application.

8788
04:54:21,397 --> 04:54:23,933
And I want to go into some

8789
04:54:23,933 --> 04:54:24,667
reasons why.

8790
04:54:24,667 --> 04:54:27,269
Just a little background on

8791
04:54:27,269 --> 04:54:28,269
this area

8792
04:54:28,269 --> 04:54:29,380
.

8793
04:54:29,380 --> 04:54:30,940
And referring to the slide I

8794
04:54:30,940 --> 04:54:34,540
have appear now, the area was

8795
04:54:35,477 --> 04:54:36,477
previously in the comp plan

8796
04:54:36,477 --> 04:54:38,681
before this was all semi-rural

8797
04:54:38,681 --> 04:54:39,381
residential.

8798
04:54:39,381 --> 04:54:41,781
Including the parcels were

8799
04:54:45,187 --> 04:54:45,955
maple valley road is.

8800
04:54:45,955 --> 04:54:46,822
That semirural residential is

8801
04:54:46,822 --> 04:54:49,222
2.5 acres for home average

8802
04:54:55,397 --> 04:54:56,198
density in a course the one we

8803
04:54:56,198 --> 04:54:56,398
have now is five acres per

8804
04:54:56,398 --> 04:54:57,199
home.

8805
04:54:57,199 --> 04:54:57,866
It has been recognized for a

8806
04:54:57,866 --> 04:54:58,601
long time in the county

8807
04:54:58,601 --> 04:54:59,768
combines a plan and even for

8808
04:54:59,768 --> 04:55:00,402
the

8809
04:55:00,402 --> 04:55:01,300
county combines and plan, and

8810
04:55:01,300 --> 04:55:04,603
this area of the county is

8811
04:55:05,108 --> 04:55:05,673
environment lease incident in

8812
04:55:05,673 --> 04:55:06,575
is the watershed area that

8813
04:55:06,575 --> 04:55:07,243
should be protected such as

8814
04:55:07,243 --> 04:55:09,578
fairfax county did many, many

8815
04:55:09,578 --> 04:55:11,513
years ago in the area on the

8816
04:55:11,513 --> 04:55:13,513
occoquan.

8817
04:55:21,900 --> 04:55:22,224
So this area was in the srr but

8818
04:55:22,224 --> 04:55:23,580
for whatever reason in the new

8819
04:55:23,580 --> 04:55:23,859
comprehensive plan that was put

8820
04:55:23,859 --> 04:55:26,829
into a much higher density

8821
04:55:26,829 --> 04:55:28,530
designation which is mu3.

8822
04:55:28,530 --> 04:55:30,933
We don't agree with that

8823
04:55:30,933 --> 04:55:31,600
change.

8824
04:55:31,600 --> 04:55:34,600
We think this creates a

8825
04:55:37,539 --> 04:55:38,474
situation where you have a

8826
04:55:38,474 --> 04:55:39,408
transition that is really

8827
04:55:39,408 --> 04:55:41,209
unworkable between the mu3

8828
04:55:41,209 --> 04:55:42,770
designation and the designation

8829
04:55:42,770 --> 04:55:44,747
which is one home per five

8830
04:55:44,747 --> 04:55:45,114
acres

8831
04:55:45,114 --> 04:55:46,800
.

8832
04:55:46,800 --> 04:55:46,916
It is hard to have a transition

8833
04:55:46,916 --> 04:55:49,916
between that much of a

8834
04:55:55,758 --> 04:55:56,258
difference in these density

8835
04:55:56,258 --> 04:55:57,259
recommendations.

8836
04:55:57,259 --> 04:55:57,960
And I might mention that the

8837
04:55:57,960 --> 04:55:58,961
maple valley grove project is

8838
04:55:58,961 --> 04:55:59,762
right at the top of the density

8839
04:55:59,762 --> 04:56:00,763
range and so we have a range

8840
04:56:00,763 --> 04:56:02,464
and I will talk about that in a

8841
04:56:02,464 --> 04:56:03,465
minute.

8842
04:56:03,465 --> 04:56:07,665
But the project is right at the

8843
04:56:09,672 --> 04:56:10,539
top of that.

8844
04:56:10,539 --> 04:56:11,730
From the very beginning we

8845
04:56:11,730 --> 04:56:12,740
didn't see a way forward.

8846
04:56:12,740 --> 04:56:12,875
We like to work with the

8847
04:56:12,875 --> 04:56:15,875
applicants, would like to work

8848
04:56:21,216 --> 04:56:22,117
with the community and make

8849
04:56:22,117 --> 04:56:22,818
improvements to a project, but

8850
04:56:22,818 --> 04:56:23,786
it was so far out of scale what

8851
04:56:23,786 --> 04:56:24,687
was around that we didn't feel

8852
04:56:24,687 --> 04:56:28,287
we could do that with the

8853
04:56:33,262 --> 04:56:33,963
application.

8854
04:56:33,963 --> 04:56:36,432
So since it is in mu3 we have

8855
04:56:36,432 --> 04:56:37,660
to recognize the reality of the

8856
04:56:37,660 --> 04:56:39,167
situation and it is in the comp

8857
04:56:39,167 --> 04:56:39,635
plan so developers are going to

8858
04:56:39,635 --> 04:56:40,369
develop based on that.

8859
04:56:40,369 --> 04:56:41,270
Was sober, going to the lower

8860
04:56:41,270 --> 04:56:41,937
end of the density range in a

8861
04:56:41,937 --> 04:56:42,871
situation like this where you

8862
04:56:42,871 --> 04:56:43,205
are in an area where young much

8863
04:56:43,205 --> 04:56:44,773
lower density

8864
04:56:44,773 --> 04:56:45,407
around it.

8865
04:56:45,407 --> 04:56:46,976
They provide for a better

8866
04:56:46,976 --> 04:56:47,309
transition to the other areas,

8867
04:56:47,309 --> 04:56:48,277
other parcels.

8868
04:56:48,277 --> 04:56:49,578
And it would also enable the

8869
04:56:49,578 --> 04:56:53,178
applicant to do some things the

8870
04:56:53,983 --> 04:56:54,515
staff is wanting to do with

8871
04:56:54,515 --> 04:56:55,384
larger buffers.

8872
04:56:55,384 --> 04:56:58,384
It would enable them to

8873
04:57:01,623 --> 04:57:02,324
preserve more of the trees.

8874
04:57:02,324 --> 04:57:03,259
If you talk to your arborist

8875
04:57:03,259 --> 04:57:06,859
you will find that this parcel

8876
04:57:08,631 --> 04:57:09,465
is completely wooded it with

8877
04:57:09,465 --> 04:57:10,833
the good-quality forest.

8878
04:57:10,833 --> 04:57:11,800
So this project would involve

8879
04:57:11,800 --> 04:57:13,168
clearcutting most of the woods

8880
04:57:13,168 --> 04:57:17,368
and it would involve a lot of

8881
04:57:17,406 --> 04:57:18,720
impervious surfaces added to

8882
04:57:18,720 --> 04:57:18,774
this project.

8883
04:57:18,774 --> 04:57:19,475
We would look, going to the

8884
04:57:19,475 --> 04:57:23,750
lower end of the density scale

8885
04:57:25,347 --> 04:57:26,348
and that would enable you to

8886
04:57:26,348 --> 04:57:29,948
protect a lot of the sensitive

8887
04:57:39,610 --> 04:57:39,695
forest and less impervious

8888
04:57:39,695 --> 04:57:41,564
surfaces and make a better

8889
04:57:41,564 --> 04:57:41,764
transition to the surrounding

8890
04:57:41,764 --> 04:57:42,565
areas.

8891
04:57:42,565 --> 04:57:43,265
We did talk briefly to the

8892
04:57:43,265 --> 04:57:44,366
applicant about the any meeting

8893
04:57:44,366 --> 04:57:44,567
and that wasn't something new

8894
04:57:44,567 --> 04:57:46,567
that

8895
04:57:46,569 --> 04:57:46,769
they were interested in

8896
04:57:46,769 --> 04:57:47,570
doing.

8897
04:57:47,570 --> 04:57:48,571
I just will say along with

8898
04:57:48,571 --> 04:57:49,204
their planning commission who

8899
04:57:49,204 --> 04:57:50,105
did recommend denial, and of

8900
04:57:50,105 --> 04:57:52,174
course they were deadlocked and

8901
04:57:52,174 --> 04:57:52,474
they went ahead and moved it

8902
04:57:52,474 --> 04:57:53,309
forward to.

8903
04:57:53,309 --> 04:57:54,176
But they did recommend denial

8904
04:57:54,176 --> 04:57:55,544
and also prince william

8905
04:57:55,544 --> 04:57:58,544
conservation alliance I sent a

8906
04:57:58,846 --> 04:57:59,981
letter recommending denial.

8907
04:57:59,981 --> 04:58:01,550
That is our position on this.

8908
04:58:01,550 --> 04:58:02,451
We appreciate the time and I

8909
04:58:02,451 --> 04:58:03,586
will see you again in a few

8910
04:58:03,586 --> 04:58:04,587
minutes.

8911
04:58:04,587 --> 04:58:06,587
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

8912
04:58:08,424 --> 04:58:09,580
next speaker, please.

8913
04:58:09,580 --> 04:58:11,580
>> Public Speaker: good

8914
04:58:15,331 --> 04:58:15,931
evening.

8915
04:58:15,931 --> 04:58:16,398
For that I request five

8916
04:58:16,398 --> 04:58:18,398
minutes, please.

8917
04:58:20,302 --> 04:58:21,904
Hopefully he to you is doing

8918
04:58:21,904 --> 04:58:23,904
well.

8919
04:58:29,645 --> 04:58:30,546
The maple valley grove, this

8920
04:58:30,546 --> 04:58:32,546
proposed development is

8921
04:58:36,685 --> 04:58:37,385
proposed in the wrong location.

8922
04:58:37,385 --> 04:58:38,187
The idea of a development

8923
04:58:38,187 --> 04:58:38,921
nothing against it but the

8924
04:58:38,921 --> 04:58:39,788
location is not good.

8925
04:58:39,788 --> 04:58:43,388
When you think about the high

8926
04:58:43,559 --> 04:58:47,159
density and being in the middle

8927
04:58:50,566 --> 04:58:51,660
of a transportation desert, it

8928
04:58:51,660 --> 04:58:53,466
just doesn't add up.

8929
04:58:53,636 --> 04:58:55,304
We hear people talk about walk

8930
04:58:55,304 --> 04:58:57,304
ability.

8931
04:59:02,912 --> 04:59:03,646
walk ability is a big variable.

8932
04:59:03,646 --> 04:59:04,580
If you live in a community you

8933
04:59:04,580 --> 04:59:06,282
a favorite spot that you want

8934
04:59:06,282 --> 04:59:07,490
to go.

8935
04:59:07,490 --> 04:59:10,490
Of your favorite grocery store,

8936
04:59:11,320 --> 04:59:12,154
you of your favorite hardware

8937
04:59:12,154 --> 04:59:15,754
store, so on and so forth.

8938
04:59:16,158 --> 04:59:16,825
And you MAY not

8939
04:59:16,825 --> 04:59:18,825
, the people MAY

8940
04:59:19,940 --> 04:59:20,796
not want to go and shop any of

8941
04:59:20,796 --> 04:59:23,796
these businesses right next to

8942
04:59:24,600 --> 04:59:25,301
it.

8943
04:59:25,301 --> 04:59:28,671
And so when you think about

8944
04:59:28,671 --> 04:59:30,671
walk ability

8945
04:59:34,310 --> 04:59:36,310
, let's be real.

8946
04:59:41,150 --> 04:59:42,830
It is only a theory.

8947
04:59:42,830 --> 04:59:45,830
Now, this area is already

8948
04:59:46,422 --> 04:59:47,156
overly saturated with traffic.

8949
04:59:47,156 --> 04:59:48,691
And when I came over here of

8950
04:59:48,691 --> 04:59:49,792
5:30 P.M. This evening so I

8951
04:59:49,792 --> 04:59:50,359
could sign up to speak

8952
04:59:50,359 --> 04:59:52,328
, on the

8953
04:59:52,328 --> 04:59:54,328
principle william parkway

8954
04:59:59,568 --> 05:00:00,402
backup coming for manassas was

8955
05:00:00,402 --> 05:00:01,203
just about a half-mile.

8956
05:00:01,203 --> 05:00:03,772
And when you think about that

8957
05:00:03,772 --> 05:00:05,741
kind of congestion which is

8958
05:00:05,741 --> 05:00:08,741
typical for basically any day

8959
05:00:09,178 --> 05:00:11,178
of the week.

8960
05:00:14,649 --> 05:00:17,490
That is not acceptable.

8961
05:00:17,720 --> 05:00:20,220
Why would we want to pack I

8962
05:00:20,220 --> 05:00:22,422
high density development with

8963
05:00:28,397 --> 05:00:29,298
274 units into an already over

8964
05:00:29,298 --> 05:00:31,698
saturated intersection of a

8965
05:00:31,734 --> 05:00:31,867
parkway

8966
05:00:31,867 --> 05:00:33,867
.

8967
05:00:37,106 --> 05:00:38,400
Now, keep in mind that the

8968
05:00:38,400 --> 05:00:41,544
mosque is going to expand in

8969
05:00:41,544 --> 05:00:42,578
the future.

8970
05:00:42,578 --> 05:00:44,146
You are going to have even more

8971
05:00:44,146 --> 05:00:44,880
traffic.

8972
05:00:44,880 --> 05:00:49,680
And so I think we need to think

8973
05:00:50,850 --> 05:00:50,986
this through very clearly and

8974
05:00:50,986 --> 05:00:54,857
not be prone to say yes just

8975
05:00:54,857 --> 05:00:56,157
because someone asks the

8976
05:00:56,157 --> 05:00:58,157
question.

8977
05:01:02,298 --> 05:01:02,631
To consider the location

8978
05:01:02,631 --> 05:01:03,499
, this

8979
05:01:03,499 --> 05:01:05,899
location, it's likening to

8980
05:01:06,670 --> 05:01:09,667
trying to hammer a round peg

8981
05:01:09,804 --> 05:01:10,506
into a square hole.

8982
05:01:10,506 --> 05:01:13,506
When you think about this,

8983
05:01:14,810 --> 05:01:19,100
there are a lot of other areas

8984
05:01:19,582 --> 05:01:20,516
in the county in which this

8985
05:01:20,516 --> 05:01:21,250
would be the ideal development.

8986
05:01:21,250 --> 05:01:22,150
Ideally among transportation

8987
05:01:22,150 --> 05:01:22,251
hubs

8988
05:01:22,251 --> 05:01:24,251
.

8989
05:01:27,923 --> 05:01:32,123
And I can never figure out why

8990
05:01:33,280 --> 05:01:33,796
we sometimes seem to consider

8991
05:01:33,796 --> 05:01:34,763
developments in isolation from

8992
05:01:34,763 --> 05:01:38,233
some of the other factors that

8993
05:01:38,233 --> 05:01:38,901
are interlocked.

8994
05:01:38,901 --> 05:01:39,268
They are interwoven in the same

8995
05:01:39,268 --> 05:01:41,268
campus.

8996
05:01:45,541 --> 05:01:46,750
He can't consider one

8997
05:01:46,750 --> 05:01:48,750
without the other.

8998
05:01:48,611 --> 05:01:49,612
You can consider building

8999
05:01:49,612 --> 05:01:52,120
houses without considering the

9000
05:01:52,214 --> 05:01:54,614
transportation because in the

9001
05:01:54,850 --> 05:01:57,850
process of doing that, and

9002
05:01:59,921 --> 05:02:00,823
create a larger problem than

9003
05:02:00,823 --> 05:02:03,223
the overused phrase the

9004
05:02:06,610 --> 05:02:08,610
unintended consequences

9005
05:02:08,230 --> 05:02:08,864
.

9006
05:02:08,864 --> 05:02:09,798
The truth of the matter is

9007
05:02:09,798 --> 05:02:10,432
you're going to have to come

9008
05:02:10,432 --> 05:02:11,734
back later and fix those and

9009
05:02:11,734 --> 05:02:13,702
they are going to cost you more

9010
05:02:13,702 --> 05:02:15,871
, cost us more later than they

9011
05:02:15,871 --> 05:02:17,871
do today.

9012
05:02:21,277 --> 05:02:23,511
Maple valley grove would place

9013
05:02:23,511 --> 05:02:26,949
a lot of pressure on this small

9014
05:02:26,949 --> 05:02:27,550
corner of the county.

9015
05:02:27,550 --> 05:02:29,550
Oversaturation in this

9016
05:02:32,221 --> 05:02:34,221
particular location already

9017
05:02:36,992 --> 05:02:37,259
suffering from congestion and

9018
05:02:37,259 --> 05:02:38,270
vehicles.

9019
05:02:38,270 --> 05:02:41,270
The planning commission as it

9020
05:02:45,834 --> 05:02:46,535
was stated already recommended

9021
05:02:46,535 --> 05:02:47,336
disapproval and asks you to

9022
05:02:47,336 --> 05:02:49,736
please consider the big

9023
05:02:53,475 --> 05:02:54,430
picture.

9024
05:02:54,430 --> 05:02:55,770
Don't consider this in

9025
05:02:55,770 --> 05:02:55,978
isolation, considerate with

9026
05:02:55,978 --> 05:02:56,545
all

9027
05:02:56,545 --> 05:02:57,790
the pieces that go together

9028
05:02:57,790 --> 05:02:57,178
that make up the whole.

9029
05:02:57,178 --> 05:02:57,980
'm

9030
05:02:57,980 --> 05:03:00,980
under the impression now that

9031
05:03:06,550 --> 05:03:07,890
we perhaps consider one or two

9032
05:03:07,890 --> 05:03:08,524
pieces of this in disregarding

9033
05:03:08,524 --> 05:03:09,291
the whole.

9034
05:03:09,291 --> 05:03:12,291
Think about the consequences of

9035
05:03:12,461 --> 05:03:13,162
it just MAY not be so positive.

9036
05:03:13,162 --> 05:03:17,962
So I am asking you to vote no.

9037
05:03:24,807 --> 05:03:25,808
Thank you.

9038
05:03:25,808 --> 05:03:26,750
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9039
05:03:26,750 --> 05:03:26,308
thank you.

9040
05:03:26,308 --> 05:03:26,475
Can you

9041
05:03:26,475 --> 05:03:27,376
hold on?

9042
05:03:27,376 --> 05:03:28,770
We are not going to have any

9043
05:03:28,770 --> 05:03:28,878
outburst of applause.

9044
05:03:28,878 --> 05:03:29,578
Second of all, if you can say

9045
05:03:29,578 --> 05:03:30,312
the magisterial district where

9046
05:03:30,312 --> 05:03:31,130
you reside, it's very

9047
05:03:31,130 --> 05:03:32,147
important we get everyone's

9048
05:03:32,147 --> 05:03:32,381
name and where they reside

9049
05:03:32,381 --> 05:03:33,349
.

9050
05:03:33,349 --> 05:03:35,718
>> Public Speaker: I thought

9051
05:03:35,718 --> 05:03:39,318
already said that, but I reside

9052
05:03:40,623 --> 05:03:41,357
in the occoquan district

9053
05:03:41,357 --> 05:03:42,291
.

9054
05:03:42,291 --> 05:03:42,858
Supervisor kenny boddye is my

9055
05:03:42,858 --> 05:03:44,858
supervisor.

9056
05:03:46,295 --> 05:03:46,962
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9057
05:03:46,962 --> 05:03:48,630
you don't need to give your

9058
05:03:48,630 --> 05:03:50,630
address.

9059
05:03:58,707 --> 05:03:59,742
Unless you want me to show up.

9060
05:03:59,742 --> 05:04:00,375
>> Public Speaker: my wife just

9061
05:04:00,375 --> 05:04:01,577
made some cookies.

9062
05:04:01,577 --> 05:04:02,177
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9063
05:04:02,177 --> 05:04:03,579
that's not what I need.

9064
05:04:03,579 --> 05:04:03,846
Say your name and magisterial

9065
05:04:03,846 --> 05:04:05,748
district.

9066
05:04:05,748 --> 05:04:05,948
>> Public Speaker: my name is

9067
05:04:05,948 --> 05:04:07,948
larry.

9068
05:04:08,517 --> 05:04:09,118
I'm in the coles district I'm

9069
05:04:09,118 --> 05:04:11,118
just a resident.

9070
05:04:11,754 --> 05:04:12,755
I would ask the board to vote

9071
05:04:12,755 --> 05:04:15,958
no on the current versions of

9072
05:04:15,958 --> 05:04:19,558
the projects pick up relays we

9073
05:04:27,436 --> 05:04:28,137
are talking about maple growly

9074
05:04:28,137 --> 05:04:29,710
grove, but as the previous

9075
05:04:29,710 --> 05:04:29,972
speaker spoke about, hoadley

9076
05:04:29,972 --> 05:04:30,973
square is abutted right up to

9077
05:04:30,973 --> 05:04:31,874
this project so just as the

9078
05:04:31,874 --> 05:04:33,874
principal the planning

9079
05:04:35,176 --> 05:04:36,178
commission have done.

9080
05:04:36,178 --> 05:04:39,778
I understand progress and I in

9081
05:04:44,152 --> 05:04:44,987
in favor of it, however,

9082
05:04:44,987 --> 05:04:45,454
progress should be

9083
05:04:45,454 --> 05:04:46,222
strategically planned.

9084
05:04:46,222 --> 05:04:47,256
Stay within the confines of

9085
05:04:47,256 --> 05:04:48,157
previous planning and do what

9086
05:04:48,157 --> 05:04:49,124
is right for the surrounding

9087
05:04:49,124 --> 05:04:49,358
area as well as prince william

9088
05:04:49,358 --> 05:04:50,226
county.

9089
05:04:50,226 --> 05:04:53,226
These housing projects do not

9090
05:04:53,929 --> 05:04:54,597
fit in the locations proposed.

9091
05:04:54,597 --> 05:04:55,464
Other board approved projects

9092
05:04:55,464 --> 05:04:58,601
such as trenton falls fit into

9093
05:04:58,601 --> 05:05:01,100
hunter's ridge in lake

9094
05:05:07,342 --> 05:05:08,344
communities.

9095
05:05:08,344 --> 05:05:09,780
Although two separate projects,

9096
05:05:09,780 --> 05:05:09,912
hoadley square in maple valley

9097
05:05:09,912 --> 05:05:12,147
should not be considered in

9098
05:05:12,147 --> 05:05:12,915
isolation.

9099
05:05:12,915 --> 05:05:14,816
Instead of 40+ homes covering

9100
05:05:14,816 --> 05:05:15,484
81 acres about these

9101
05:05:15,484 --> 05:05:17,253
properties, these projects

9102
05:05:17,253 --> 05:05:19,253
proposed 553 housing units

9103
05:05:23,359 --> 05:05:24,930
combined.

9104
05:05:24,930 --> 05:05:24,926
This introduces an overwhelming

9105
05:05:24,926 --> 05:05:25,494
amount of traffic and has of

9106
05:05:25,494 --> 05:05:26,328
our middle and school

9107
05:05:26,328 --> 05:05:29,328
implications and then I propose

9108
05:05:34,203 --> 05:05:34,770
projects I kings grove, the

9109
05:05:34,770 --> 05:05:35,704
mosque expansion, you

9110
05:05:35,704 --> 05:05:37,704
completely inundated and

9111
05:05:43,913 --> 05:05:44,580
overwhelmed hoadley road.

9112
05:05:44,580 --> 05:05:45,581
Not sure about the parkway but

9113
05:05:45,581 --> 05:05:45,981
I assume it will be overwhelmed

9114
05:05:45,981 --> 05:05:47,950
as well.

9115
05:05:47,950 --> 05:05:48,250
I live in pencil and county

9116
05:05:48,250 --> 05:05:48,817
since 1983.

9117
05:05:48,817 --> 05:05:48,951
But my first home in 1989.

9118
05:05:48,951 --> 05:05:49,885
Y

9119
05:05:49,885 --> 05:05:53,485
second home just down the road

9120
05:05:55,257 --> 05:05:56,425
in 2013.

9121
05:05:56,425 --> 05:05:56,825
We use hoadley road and prince

9122
05:05:56,825 --> 05:05:57,393
william every day.

9123
05:05:57,393 --> 05:05:57,760
My life and I would love to

9124
05:05:57,760 --> 05:05:59,495
retire here.

9125
05:05:59,495 --> 05:06:00,162
Please vote no on the current

9126
05:06:00,162 --> 05:06:02,562
versions of the projects.

9127
05:06:07,803 --> 05:06:08,771
Said the applicant back and

9128
05:06:08,771 --> 05:06:09,738
stay in the prince william

9129
05:06:09,738 --> 05:06:10,472
county 2040 comprehensive plan

9130
05:06:10,472 --> 05:06:11,240
and as parameters and protect

9131
05:06:11,240 --> 05:06:11,507
our water resources.

9132
05:06:11,507 --> 05:06:12,741
Thank you.

9133
05:06:12,741 --> 05:06:14,741
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9134
05:06:20,115 --> 05:06:21,250
next speaker, please.

9135
05:06:21,250 --> 05:06:22,117
>> Public Speaker: good evening

9136
05:06:22,117 --> 05:06:22,418
members of the board of

9137
05:06:22,418 --> 05:06:23,118
supervisors.

9138
05:06:23,118 --> 05:06:23,385
My name is christopher

9139
05:06:23,385 --> 05:06:25,385
cummings.

9140
05:06:26,254 --> 05:06:27,256
I live in the occoquan

9141
05:06:27,256 --> 05:06:30,256
magisterial district and I have

9142
05:06:31,193 --> 05:06:31,894
been there since 1996.

9143
05:06:31,894 --> 05:06:32,928
It seems recently all we get

9144
05:06:32,928 --> 05:06:35,230
our increased taxes, or data

9145
05:06:35,230 --> 05:06:38,230
centers, and more high density

9146
05:06:49,612 --> 05:06:50,412
housing.

9147
05:06:50,412 --> 05:06:51,312
The maple valley grove proposal

9148
05:06:51,312 --> 05:06:52,348
if passed will, I believe,

9149
05:06:52,348 --> 05:06:53,148
impose unreasonable burdens on

9150
05:06:53,148 --> 05:06:53,816
the transportation

9151
05:06:53,816 --> 05:06:54,682
infrastructure as well as a

9152
05:06:54,682 --> 05:06:55,618
watershed area that buffers the

9153
05:06:55,618 --> 05:06:56,285
occoquan reservoir.

9154
05:06:56,285 --> 05:06:57,119
Identity housing should be

9155
05:06:57,119 --> 05:06:57,853
steered to areas with high

9156
05:06:57,853 --> 05:06:58,721
capacity transit like vre nodes

9157
05:06:58,721 --> 05:07:02,921
and not to major road in the

9158
05:07:03,580 --> 05:07:03,692
sections already heavily

9159
05:07:03,692 --> 05:07:05,692
burdened with traffic.

9160
05:07:06,328 --> 05:07:07,162
The impact on schools has been

9161
05:07:07,162 --> 05:07:09,562
mentioned here, but the

9162
05:07:10,633 --> 05:07:12,935
solution town tenuous and iffy

9163
05:07:12,935 --> 05:07:14,935
to me.

9164
05:07:15,771 --> 05:07:16,472
Is a crucial consideration.

9165
05:07:16,472 --> 05:07:19,472
A huge amount of impervious

9166
05:07:21,877 --> 05:07:22,811
surfaces in the hoadley prince

9167
05:07:22,811 --> 05:07:23,445
william pkwy. Area detract from

9168
05:07:23,445 --> 05:07:25,845
the watershed and threaten

9169
05:07:32,154 --> 05:07:32,821
those of us nearby who depend

9170
05:07:32,821 --> 05:07:33,822
on well water from our homes.

9171
05:07:33,822 --> 05:07:34,690
It matters the planning

9172
05:07:34,690 --> 05:07:37,393
commission at a lotta concerns

9173
05:07:37,393 --> 05:07:37,893
about this, but that only tells

9174
05:07:37,893 --> 05:07:38,594
part of the story.

9175
05:07:38,594 --> 05:07:40,229
I think this is an ill-advised

9176
05:07:40,229 --> 05:07:44,429
plan and should be denied and I

9177
05:07:48,203 --> 05:07:48,671
ask you vote no

9178
05:07:48,671 --> 05:07:49,671
.

9179
05:07:49,671 --> 05:07:50,500
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9180
05:07:50,500 --> 05:07:50,805
next speaker.

9181
05:07:50,805 --> 05:07:51,707
ask everyone speaking make sure

9182
05:07:51,707 --> 05:07:52,174
the microphone is close so we

9183
05:07:52,174 --> 05:07:54,174
can hear you.

9184
05:07:54,710 --> 05:07:54,944
>> Public Speaker: good

9185
05:07:54,944 --> 05:07:55,778
evening.

9186
05:07:55,778 --> 05:08:00,578
My name is jessica and I am an

9187
05:08:03,118 --> 05:08:03,919
occoquan resident and I am

9188
05:08:03,919 --> 05:08:04,453
happy to call prince william

9189
05:08:04,453 --> 05:08:05,154
county my home.

9190
05:08:05,154 --> 05:08:06,880
Appear to speak about both

9191
05:08:06,880 --> 05:08:07,890
maple valley grove and hoadley

9192
05:08:07,890 --> 05:08:10,890
square since they are together

9193
05:08:10,593 --> 05:08:11,260
at this point.

9194
05:08:11,260 --> 05:08:12,228
I know something I will say.

9195
05:08:12,228 --> 05:08:13,195
People touched on the impacts.

9196
05:08:13,195 --> 05:08:14,630
I was at the pc meeting as well

9197
05:08:14,630 --> 05:08:14,729
and thought it was really

9198
05:08:14,729 --> 05:08:16,729
important they shared.

9199
05:08:17,967 --> 05:08:18,601
It was a 1000 percent impact,

9200
05:08:18,601 --> 05:08:19,635
which I thought was really

9201
05:08:19,635 --> 05:08:21,635
minimal.

9202
05:08:24,640 --> 05:08:25,307
I think both these communities

9203
05:08:25,307 --> 05:08:25,975
my thought is being close to

9204
05:08:25,975 --> 05:08:27,975
existing retail, commercial,

9205
05:08:32,514 --> 05:08:33,448
businesses I shop at, I'm

9206
05:08:33,448 --> 05:08:34,149
happy to see that they are near

9207
05:08:34,149 --> 05:08:34,950
businesses like that that I

9208
05:08:34,950 --> 05:08:38,550
want to stick around and be

9209
05:08:44,793 --> 05:08:45,494
supported in the long-term.

9210
05:08:45,494 --> 05:08:46,362
I think that makes a sensible

9211
05:08:46,362 --> 05:08:47,290
fit for where it is at work on

9212
05:08:47,290 --> 05:08:48,297
a personal note I am a parent

9213
05:08:48,297 --> 05:08:48,931
of a to and half-year-old so I

9214
05:08:48,931 --> 05:08:50,332
care deeply about crating

9215
05:08:50,332 --> 05:08:50,666
places my to and half-year-old

9216
05:08:50,666 --> 05:08:51,300
can be raised.

9217
05:08:51,300 --> 05:08:51,967
Want to be here for the

9218
05:08:51,967 --> 05:08:52,901
long-term so I hope when you

9219
05:08:52,901 --> 05:08:55,901
think about the projects which

9220
05:08:59,942 --> 05:09:00,876
I'm in support of because they

9221
05:09:00,876 --> 05:09:01,810
of amenities and are close to

9222
05:09:01,810 --> 05:09:02,711
the shopping that you guys

9223
05:09:02,711 --> 05:09:03,445
think about invoices like us

9224
05:09:03,445 --> 05:09:03,646
who want to live here for the

9225
05:09:03,646 --> 05:09:04,246
next

9226
05:09:04,246 --> 05:09:04,914
20 to 30 years and I

9227
05:09:04,914 --> 05:09:05,180
appreciate your time today.

9228
05:09:05,180 --> 05:09:06,215
>>

9229
05:09:06,215 --> 05:09:06,949
Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor: I

9230
05:09:06,949 --> 05:09:07,149
should have called up my next a

9231
05:09:07,149 --> 05:09:07,616
bunch.

9232
05:09:07,616 --> 05:09:09,616
Shley, norman, gary

9233
05:09:20,629 --> 05:09:23,290
o'brien and paul howard.

9234
05:09:24,934 --> 05:09:25,267
>> Public Speaker: my name is

9235
05:09:25,267 --> 05:09:26,101
norman stone.

9236
05:09:26,101 --> 05:09:29,101
I live in the occoquan

9237
05:09:29,905 --> 05:09:30,539
district.

9238
05:09:30,539 --> 05:09:31,507
I would like to mention

9239
05:09:31,507 --> 05:09:33,142
something we are talking about

9240
05:09:33,142 --> 05:09:36,142
tree buffers and other things.

9241
05:09:40,683 --> 05:09:40,916
Walkways to the shopping

9242
05:09:40,916 --> 05:09:41,717
center.

9243
05:09:41,717 --> 05:09:44,717
The most important things are

9244
05:09:46,288 --> 05:09:47,223
the traffic, number of cars in

9245
05:09:47,223 --> 05:09:47,723
the hoadley square develop an

9246
05:09:47,723 --> 05:09:48,424
is going to bring.

9247
05:09:48,424 --> 05:09:49,291
It's already tough getting out

9248
05:09:49,291 --> 05:09:52,291
of my neighborhood which is

9249
05:09:53,395 --> 05:09:54,630
lost creek court.

9250
05:09:54,630 --> 05:09:55,970
During friday you would be

9251
05:09:55,970 --> 05:09:58,970
lucky to get out within 30

9252
05:09:58,667 --> 05:09:59,668
minutes.

9253
05:09:59,668 --> 05:10:03,305
I don't know where they got the

9254
05:10:03,305 --> 05:10:03,939
numbers of prince william pkwy.

9255
05:10:03,939 --> 05:10:04,406
Only being a five second delay

9256
05:10:04,406 --> 05:10:06,406
on a car.

9257
05:10:07,309 --> 05:10:10,446
What world do they live in?

9258
05:10:10,446 --> 05:10:12,846
And also, the schools

9259
05:10:20,556 --> 05:10:21,557
.

9260
05:10:21,557 --> 05:10:22,258
There were statements about

9261
05:10:22,258 --> 05:10:23,158
overcrowding and if they could

9262
05:10:23,158 --> 05:10:23,459
handle this development and I

9263
05:10:23,459 --> 05:10:24,590
didn't hear

9264
05:10:24,590 --> 05:10:25,600
it a clear answer

9265
05:10:25,600 --> 05:10:26,695
what the future would bring.

9266
05:10:26,695 --> 05:10:30,295
Virginia is doing the study on

9267
05:10:30,466 --> 05:10:31,367
hoadley road now, but they

9268
05:10:31,367 --> 05:10:32,368
haven't come up with any

9269
05:10:32,368 --> 05:10:35,368
solution we are talking about

9270
05:10:37,172 --> 05:10:37,373
adding more problems to the

9271
05:10:37,373 --> 05:10:38,173
road.

9272
05:10:38,173 --> 05:10:42,373
Wouldn't it be wise to get the

9273
05:10:43,712 --> 05:10:44,547
first solution corrected before

9274
05:10:44,547 --> 05:10:45,800
we start adding anymore

9275
05:10:45,800 --> 05:10:45,748
possible traffic?

9276
05:10:45,748 --> 05:10:49,348
Something that is going to be

9277
05:10:51,120 --> 05:10:51,820
here forever.

9278
05:10:51,820 --> 05:10:52,688
If you approve the project and

9279
05:10:52,688 --> 05:10:53,122
they start it, there's no

9280
05:10:53,122 --> 05:10:54,123
turning back.

9281
05:10:54,123 --> 05:10:55,240
we might lose water also in the

9282
05:10:55,240 --> 05:10:57,424
reservoir across the occoquan

9283
05:11:00,610 --> 05:11:00,996
reservoir and it seems there is

9284
05:11:00,996 --> 05:11:02,798
more loss of water than gaining

9285
05:11:02,798 --> 05:11:03,798
of water.

9286
05:11:03,798 --> 05:11:04,800
That should be important to the

9287
05:11:04,800 --> 05:11:06,800
board.

9288
05:11:07,690 --> 05:11:07,136
Traffic, schools and water

9289
05:11:07,136 --> 05:11:09,136
.

9290
05:11:11,774 --> 05:11:12,841
Thank you.

9291
05:11:12,841 --> 05:11:14,841
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9292
05:11:20,549 --> 05:11:20,749
next speaker, please

9293
05:11:20,749 --> 05:11:21,717
.

9294
05:11:21,717 --> 05:11:21,951
>> Public Speaker: good

9295
05:11:21,951 --> 05:11:22,718
evening.

9296
05:11:22,718 --> 05:11:24,119
My name is ashley.

9297
05:11:24,119 --> 05:11:25,487
Speaking on the half of the

9298
05:11:25,487 --> 05:11:26,488
prince william conservation

9299
05:11:26,488 --> 05:11:27,156
alliance and I request five

9300
05:11:27,156 --> 05:11:30,156
minutes and I'm from the

9301
05:11:30,793 --> 05:11:31,393
occoquan district.

9302
05:11:31,393 --> 05:11:32,294
So the principle of them

9303
05:11:32,294 --> 05:11:34,294
conservation alliances and

9304
05:11:38,534 --> 05:11:39,501
environmental nonprofit.

9305
05:11:39,501 --> 05:11:40,101
We've been operational for 20

9306
05:11:40,101 --> 05:11:41,370
years in the county and we

9307
05:11:41,370 --> 05:11:42,371
focus on creating equitable and

9308
05:11:42,371 --> 05:11:43,380
sustainable communities

9309
05:11:43,380 --> 05:11:45,380
throughout our wonderful

9310
05:11:49,345 --> 05:11:50,450
county.

9311
05:11:50,450 --> 05:11:50,846
So martin outlined the lot of

9312
05:11:50,846 --> 05:11:51,513
the main points I wanted to

9313
05:11:51,513 --> 05:11:53,480
hit, but there are a couple

9314
05:11:53,480 --> 05:11:55,751
things I wanted to mention in

9315
05:11:55,751 --> 05:11:57,751
highlight again.

9316
05:12:03,425 --> 05:12:03,859
In relation to maple valley

9317
05:12:03,859 --> 05:12:05,859
grove proposal.

9318
05:12:06,280 --> 05:12:07,280
First, the site is forested and

9319
05:12:07,280 --> 05:12:10,628
it is located in the occoquan

9320
05:12:11,734 --> 05:12:12,768
reservoir watershed.

9321
05:12:12,768 --> 05:12:15,168
So from an environmental

9322
05:12:15,938 --> 05:12:16,939
perspective there's no

9323
05:12:16,939 --> 05:12:19,339
environmental reason why the

9324
05:12:19,975 --> 05:12:21,430
parcel was excluded from the

9325
05:12:21,430 --> 05:12:23,430
occoquan reservoir protection

9326
05:12:29,618 --> 05:12:33,789
area when it was created it was

9327
05:12:33,789 --> 05:12:34,456
upland for development.

9328
05:12:34,456 --> 05:12:38,656
As a result we are facing a

9329
05:12:38,861 --> 05:12:39,762
proposal that would pretty much

9330
05:12:39,762 --> 05:12:43,362
clear cut and percent of an

9331
05:12:43,799 --> 05:12:44,799
intact forest in the watershed

9332
05:12:44,799 --> 05:12:47,199
that supplies the drinking

9333
05:12:49,705 --> 05:12:49,972
water up to a million

9334
05:12:49,972 --> 05:12:50,673
residents.

9335
05:12:50,673 --> 05:12:52,241
We keep seeing this erosion

9336
05:12:52,241 --> 05:12:54,241
across the county.

9337
05:12:55,978 --> 05:12:56,812
Is parcel is located and what

9338
05:12:56,812 --> 05:13:00,412
they are referring to as so

9339
05:13:01,917 --> 05:13:02,840
forest built

9340
05:13:02,840 --> 05:13:03,520
.

9341
05:13:03,520 --> 05:13:07,252
And actually, if I can get this

9342
05:13:07,890 --> 05:13:11,490
little do hickey here we can

9343
05:13:22,705 --> 05:13:23,572
see it together.

9344
05:13:23,572 --> 05:13:24,306
This is the forest built.

9345
05:13:24,306 --> 05:13:25,206
Anyway, we will have to go with

9346
05:13:25,206 --> 05:13:25,841
it but the light green area is

9347
05:13:25,841 --> 05:13:26,742
the force belt that extends

9348
05:13:26,742 --> 05:13:29,742
from prince william forest all

9349
05:13:37,953 --> 05:13:38,921
the way in the fairfax and it

9350
05:13:38,921 --> 05:13:39,521
protects most the headwaters of

9351
05:13:39,521 --> 05:13:40,322
the streams that flow toward

9352
05:13:40,322 --> 05:13:40,656
the eastern end.

9353
05:13:40,656 --> 05:13:41,457
Neabsco creek.

9354
05:13:41,457 --> 05:13:42,758
I am sure I am leaving.

9355
05:13:42,758 --> 05:13:43,920
But also the area in the

9356
05:13:43,920 --> 05:13:45,920
reservoir.

9357
05:13:50,766 --> 05:13:53,166
So this proposal represents

9358
05:13:55,404 --> 05:13:55,704
further outward expansion

9359
05:13:55,704 --> 05:13:56,438
.

9360
05:13:56,438 --> 05:13:57,306
Those red areas on the map end

9361
05:13:57,306 --> 05:13:58,173
of the landscapes that play a

9362
05:13:58,173 --> 05:14:00,573
critical roll protecting our

9363
05:14:02,278 --> 05:14:03,450
waterways.

9364
05:14:03,450 --> 05:14:06,450
Each of these decisions MAY

9365
05:14:06,810 --> 05:14:06,815
seem small but collectively

9366
05:14:06,815 --> 05:14:08,500
they add up to a steady

9367
05:14:08,500 --> 05:14:10,500
erosion.

9368
05:14:11,586 --> 05:14:12,888
From a small group perspective

9369
05:14:12,888 --> 05:14:14,560
we would prefer to see the type

9370
05:14:14,560 --> 05:14:15,891
of development in higher

9371
05:14:15,891 --> 05:14:18,891
density directed to the red

9372
05:14:19,461 --> 05:14:23,610
areas and areas of a structure

9373
05:14:27,937 --> 05:14:28,938
exists and we can build a

9374
05:14:28,938 --> 05:14:29,939
critical mass needed to support

9375
05:14:29,939 --> 05:14:31,574
existing public transit hubs

9376
05:14:31,574 --> 05:14:32,575
walkable communities.

9377
05:14:32,575 --> 05:14:33,108
Rather than continue to push

9378
05:14:33,108 --> 05:14:34,109
develop an outward.

9379
05:14:34,109 --> 05:14:36,109
Which

9380
05:14:38,347 --> 05:14:38,880
undermines those goals.

9381
05:14:38,880 --> 05:14:39,381
of the proposal MAY be

9382
05:14:39,381 --> 05:14:41,381
consistent with the

9383
05:14:41,951 --> 05:14:44,351
comprehensive plan, it reflects

9384
05:14:47,189 --> 05:14:48,190
the long-standing pattern of

9385
05:14:48,190 --> 05:14:49,240
wood locks and agriculture

9386
05:14:49,240 --> 05:14:49,992
lands because it easier and

9387
05:14:49,992 --> 05:14:53,592
more profitable to do so the

9388
05:15:01,300 --> 05:15:02,400
redevelopment.

9389
05:15:02,400 --> 05:15:03,500
Phone as we fill meaningful

9390
05:15:03,500 --> 05:15:04,600
incentives for redevelopment or

9391
05:15:04,600 --> 05:15:04,773
incentivized conservation, this

9392
05:15:04,773 --> 05:15:08,711
is the types of things we will

9393
05:15:08,711 --> 05:15:09,612
be continuing to seek and get

9394
05:15:09,612 --> 05:15:10,546
someone to lead with what if we

9395
05:15:10,546 --> 05:15:12,470
had a goal of maintaining our

9396
05:15:12,470 --> 05:15:12,715
existing tree cover

9397
05:15:12,715 --> 05:15:14,715
introduction seriously.

9398
05:15:18,787 --> 05:15:19,688
How would be billed than what

9399
05:15:19,688 --> 05:15:20,421
if we had a goal to reduce salt

9400
05:15:20,421 --> 05:15:21,290
in the occoquan reservoir and

9401
05:15:21,290 --> 05:15:23,690
what would development look

9402
05:15:30,165 --> 05:15:31,133
like if that was our goal.

9403
05:15:31,133 --> 05:15:32,670
Pw see accreted the vision to

9404
05:15:32,670 --> 05:15:32,801
start to play with these

9405
05:15:32,801 --> 05:15:36,338
questions and so much more in

9406
05:15:36,338 --> 05:15:37,339
this application should

9407
05:15:37,339 --> 05:15:38,207
consider reducing the density

9408
05:15:38,207 --> 05:15:39,341
so we can cluster and protect

9409
05:15:39,341 --> 05:15:39,909
more the tree covered at the

9410
05:15:39,909 --> 05:15:41,909
very least.

9411
05:15:42,344 --> 05:15:42,411
Thank you very much

9412
05:15:42,411 --> 05:15:44,345
.

9413
05:15:44,345 --> 05:15:46,345
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9414
05:15:47,750 --> 05:15:49,750
next speaker, please.

9415
05:15:53,289 --> 05:15:53,522
>> Public Speaker: name is paul

9416
05:15:53,522 --> 05:15:54,455
howard.

9417
05:15:54,455 --> 05:15:56,324
I have lived in the occoquan

9418
05:15:56,324 --> 05:15:57,159
area since 1987 and I am

9419
05:15:57,159 --> 05:15:59,361
currently a resident in the

9420
05:15:59,361 --> 05:16:01,761
forest development of lost

9421
05:16:03,299 --> 05:16:04,300
creek ct.

9422
05:16:04,300 --> 05:16:07,300
The addition of high density

9423
05:16:13,420 --> 05:16:13,676
housing on the corner of

9424
05:16:13,676 --> 05:16:14,476
trenton and the parkway is

9425
05:16:14,476 --> 05:16:14,743
going to greet an additional

9426
05:16:14,743 --> 05:16:15,578
nightmare.

9427
05:16:15,578 --> 05:16:16,478
I'm not too sure where the five

9428
05:16:16,478 --> 05:16:19,381
top five seconds comes from,

9429
05:16:19,381 --> 05:16:20,248
but it took me almost 8 minutes

9430
05:16:20,248 --> 05:16:21,250
to make a left turn from the

9431
05:16:21,250 --> 05:16:23,650
parkway onto hoadley yesterday

9432
05:16:25,321 --> 05:16:25,921
evening.

9433
05:16:25,921 --> 05:16:28,921
I'm not sure how that

9434
05:16:29,592 --> 05:16:30,259
translates to 5.5 seconds.

9435
05:16:30,259 --> 05:16:31,327
There are a lot of things to

9436
05:16:31,327 --> 05:16:33,727
like about these developments.

9437
05:16:35,798 --> 05:16:37,900
The low cost housing for

9438
05:16:37,900 --> 05:16:40,300
believers responders that live

9439
05:16:42,370 --> 05:16:43,380
in the county.

9440
05:16:43,380 --> 05:16:46,638
Is much better places to put

9441
05:16:47,476 --> 05:16:48,244
these.

9442
05:16:48,244 --> 05:16:48,544
Hopefully near transportation

9443
05:16:48,544 --> 05:16:49,478
hub.

9444
05:16:49,478 --> 05:16:50,679
I have the misfortune of

9445
05:16:50,679 --> 05:16:53,716
trying to get the bus to

9446
05:16:53,716 --> 05:16:55,718
potomac mills from the trenton

9447
05:16:55,718 --> 05:16:57,620
bus stop and it took an hour.

9448
05:16:57,620 --> 05:17:00,620
I don't consider that practical

9449
05:17:09,732 --> 05:17:10,733
for people living in these

9450
05:17:10,733 --> 05:17:11,233
proposed developments to use

9451
05:17:11,233 --> 05:17:11,934
public transport.

9452
05:17:11,934 --> 05:17:12,835
We are going to have to use

9453
05:17:12,835 --> 05:17:13,735
cars and as far as the walk

9454
05:17:13,735 --> 05:17:16,735
ability to the shopping center,

9455
05:17:17,640 --> 05:17:18,540
I don't want to be loading bags

9456
05:17:18,540 --> 05:17:22,140
from harris teeter all the way

9457
05:17:25,848 --> 05:17:26,348
back to my house on the hoadley

9458
05:17:26,348 --> 05:17:26,848
square or the other

9459
05:17:26,848 --> 05:17:28,848
development.

9460
05:17:37,920 --> 05:17:37,826
That's not going to happen.

9461
05:17:37,826 --> 05:17:39,261
No one will do the shopping and

9462
05:17:39,261 --> 05:17:40,129
then lug it all back to the

9463
05:17:40,129 --> 05:17:40,763
house that is just not the way

9464
05:17:40,763 --> 05:17:41,297
it works will be realistic

9465
05:17:41,297 --> 05:17:42,765
about that.

9466
05:17:42,765 --> 05:17:42,998
You could talk about 50 feet,

9467
05:17:42,998 --> 05:17:43,566
30 feet.

9468
05:17:43,566 --> 05:17:44,600
Another 20 feet when you're

9469
05:17:44,600 --> 05:17:47,000
carrying your groceries doesn't

9470
05:17:50,139 --> 05:17:50,772
really matter.

9471
05:17:50,772 --> 05:17:54,972
I'm not in favor of either of

9472
05:17:56,412 --> 05:17:57,613
these developments and I think

9473
05:17:57,613 --> 05:17:58,414
we could be moved much better

9474
05:17:58,414 --> 05:17:59,130
locations in the county near

9475
05:17:59,130 --> 05:18:01,130
transportation hubs where

9476
05:18:02,383 --> 05:18:04,783
people can use transportation

9477
05:18:06,288 --> 05:18:07,323
to get to jobs and shops, etc.

9478
05:18:07,323 --> 05:18:09,323
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9479
05:18:18,400 --> 05:18:19,401
next speaker, please.

9480
05:18:19,401 --> 05:18:20,102
>> Public Speaker: thank you

9481
05:18:20,102 --> 05:18:21,360
for this opportunity.

9482
05:18:21,360 --> 05:18:21,836
My name is gary o'brien.

9483
05:18:21,836 --> 05:18:24,836
I'm from the coles district.

9484
05:18:24,840 --> 05:18:27,840
The proposed rezoning of the

9485
05:18:28,878 --> 05:18:30,878
occoquan reserve protection

9486
05:18:35,684 --> 05:18:36,719
area proposed trenton amico

9487
05:18:36,719 --> 05:18:37,720
valley grove development brings

9488
05:18:37,720 --> 05:18:39,121
back disturbing memories of the

9489
05:18:39,121 --> 05:18:42,121
initial rezoning in the rural

9490
05:18:42,858 --> 05:18:45,258
crescent in 2001 for the 305

9491
05:18:52,401 --> 05:18:53,402
acre preserve at long branch.

9492
05:18:53,402 --> 05:18:54,403
Some of you remember that.

9493
05:18:54,403 --> 05:18:55,371
First of all, calling it a

9494
05:18:55,371 --> 05:18:55,971
preserve is an oxymoron.

9495
05:18:55,971 --> 05:18:56,505
Every buildable portion was

9496
05:18:56,505 --> 05:18:57,640
stripped of trees.

9497
05:18:57,640 --> 05:19:01,240
The argument was it would they

9498
05:19:02,977 --> 05:19:04,977
be

9499
05:19:05,915 --> 05:19:06,949
, it would subsequently be

9500
05:19:06,949 --> 05:19:07,616
used by developers and their

9501
05:19:07,616 --> 05:19:08,450
lawyers as a precedent for more

9502
05:19:08,450 --> 05:19:09,251
rezoning within the rural

9503
05:19:09,251 --> 05:19:10,519
crescent watershed.

9504
05:19:10,519 --> 05:19:11,320
Investment

9505
05:19:11,320 --> 05:19:12,540
co. And the prince william

9506
05:19:12,540 --> 05:19:14,540
conservation alliance and

9507
05:19:14,560 --> 05:19:14,957
others not correctly predicted

9508
05:19:14,957 --> 05:19:15,591
with any of the supervisors

9509
05:19:15,591 --> 05:19:18,591
voted to eliminate the rural

9510
05:19:19,562 --> 05:19:20,362
crescent 170,000 acres or 52

9511
05:19:20,362 --> 05:19:20,496
percent of the county landmass

9512
05:19:20,496 --> 05:19:22,496
,

9513
05:19:25,901 --> 05:19:27,870
which removed substantial

9514
05:19:27,870 --> 05:19:28,871
portion of the occoquan

9515
05:19:28,871 --> 05:19:30,871
watershed from adequate

9516
05:19:32,274 --> 05:19:34,274
protection.

9517
05:19:38,414 --> 05:19:39,415
What we didn't foresee was

9518
05:19:39,415 --> 05:19:41,815
homebuilders like selling their

9519
05:19:42,651 --> 05:19:43,252
rezoning linda data centers

9520
05:19:43,252 --> 05:19:44,153
which are exploding with

9521
05:19:44,153 --> 05:19:44,887
general crescent another

9522
05:19:44,887 --> 05:19:45,688
formally protected watershed

9523
05:19:45,688 --> 05:19:48,880
areas are protected watershed

9524
05:19:57,866 --> 05:19:58,601
acres are gone forever.

9525
05:19:58,601 --> 05:19:59,501
Like I said, here we go again.

9526
05:19:59,501 --> 05:20:00,869
There once again saying it's a

9527
05:20:00,869 --> 05:20:01,370
small intrusion into a newly

9528
05:20:01,370 --> 05:20:03,370
created for much-needed

9529
05:20:06,375 --> 05:20:07,420
housing.

9530
05:20:07,420 --> 05:20:08,420
Exact excuse used last time.

9531
05:20:08,420 --> 05:20:08,944
the only difference at this

9532
05:20:08,944 --> 05:20:09,578
time it was argued was we

9533
05:20:09,578 --> 05:20:12,381
needed the upscale housing to

9534
05:20:12,381 --> 05:20:14,381
attract industry

9535
05:20:17,520 --> 05:20:17,720
.

9536
05:20:17,720 --> 05:20:18,621
Boy did that backfire.

9537
05:20:18,621 --> 05:20:22,221
It sad to watch decision so

9538
05:20:23,292 --> 05:20:24,125
shortsighted the provide

9539
05:20:24,125 --> 05:20:25,600
instant gratification of the

9540
05:20:25,600 --> 05:20:28,600
cost of painful and expensive

9541
05:20:28,364 --> 05:20:29,198
subsequent outcomes will live

9542
05:20:29,198 --> 05:20:31,598
to regret putting highly

9543
05:20:34,970 --> 05:20:36,171
density housing lynn takes away

9544
05:20:36,171 --> 05:20:37,600
more water absorbing critically

9545
05:20:37,600 --> 05:20:39,600
needed resources reducing

9546
05:20:41,677 --> 05:20:43,512
flooding, rapid water runoff

9547
05:20:43,512 --> 05:20:46,512
scours the stream thanks which

9548
05:20:48,617 --> 05:20:49,552
filled the occoquan reducing

9549
05:20:49,552 --> 05:20:51,287
the amount of water it can hold

9550
05:20:51,287 --> 05:20:51,620
as well as reduce its water

9551
05:20:51,620 --> 05:20:53,620
quality.

9552
05:20:54,590 --> 05:20:56,990
Rainstorms are getting more

9553
05:20:59,695 --> 05:21:00,696
severe globally.

9554
05:21:00,696 --> 05:21:03,650
If he continued to pay over the

9555
05:21:03,650 --> 05:21:04,660
critical forest as well as not

9556
05:21:04,660 --> 05:21:06,660
update our stormwater

9557
05:21:08,636 --> 05:21:09,638
management guidelines, we are

9558
05:21:09,638 --> 05:21:10,239
asking for more trouble ahead.

9559
05:21:10,239 --> 05:21:11,206
The proposed projects would

9560
05:21:11,206 --> 05:21:13,606
further permanently harm the

9561
05:21:13,709 --> 05:21:16,109
occoquan reservoir they don't

9562
05:21:21,550 --> 05:21:22,483
allow for enough tree buffers

9563
05:21:22,483 --> 05:21:23,319
there are not enough classroom

9564
05:21:23,319 --> 05:21:23,819
seats available for high

9565
05:21:23,819 --> 05:21:25,819
density housing.

9566
05:21:26,655 --> 05:21:27,556
That threatens nearby woods and

9567
05:21:27,556 --> 05:21:28,257
it is too far for mass transit

9568
05:21:28,257 --> 05:21:29,758
and would further exacerbate

9569
05:21:29,758 --> 05:21:29,958
the problems in prince william

9570
05:21:29,958 --> 05:21:31,958
pkwy.

9571
05:21:39,802 --> 05:21:40,803
Thank you.

9572
05:21:40,803 --> 05:21:41,470
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9573
05:21:41,470 --> 05:21:42,303
I'm going to call the next

9574
05:21:42,303 --> 05:21:43,305
group but I do ask, this is

9575
05:21:43,305 --> 05:21:43,906
going to be a very long night.

9576
05:21:43,906 --> 05:21:44,807
Particularly for people

9577
05:21:44,807 --> 05:21:46,308
speaking on all the cases

9578
05:21:46,308 --> 05:21:47,420
tonight.

9579
05:21:47,420 --> 05:21:47,843
I'm going to ask for decorum.

9580
05:21:47,843 --> 05:21:48,510
When your time is up be

9581
05:21:48,510 --> 05:21:49,311
respectful because we have a

9582
05:21:49,311 --> 05:21:50,545
number of people who want to

9583
05:21:50,545 --> 05:21:51,513
speak and I know no one wants

9584
05:21:51,513 --> 05:21:54,149
to stay here until zero dark

9585
05:21:54,149 --> 05:21:54,783
30.

9586
05:21:54,783 --> 05:21:58,420
I hope no one wants to stay

9587
05:21:58,420 --> 05:21:59,153
here until zero dark 30.

9588
05:21:59,153 --> 05:22:00,550
Before get to the next speaker

9589
05:22:00,550 --> 05:22:01,220
I will call up minnick stupid

9590
05:22:01,220 --> 05:22:03,220
people.

9591
05:22:09,198 --> 05:22:09,565
Paul, william, michael

9592
05:22:09,565 --> 05:22:10,466
, clancy.

9593
05:22:10,466 --> 05:22:11,400
If all of you all can go up

9594
05:22:11,400 --> 05:22:13,400
there.

9595
05:22:14,436 --> 05:22:17,973
You can go to the microphone.

9596
05:22:17,973 --> 05:22:18,674
You can also adjust it.

9597
05:22:18,674 --> 05:22:22,444
I want to make sure we hear you

9598
05:22:22,444 --> 05:22:22,945
and everyone else.

9599
05:22:22,945 --> 05:22:24,513
Just stay there.

9600
05:22:24,513 --> 05:22:26,513
Don't move.

9601
05:22:28,117 --> 05:22:30,117
You MAY begin.

9602
05:22:32,755 --> 05:22:33,722
>> my name is anne stephenson

9603
05:22:33,722 --> 05:22:35,958
and I reside in the occoquan

9604
05:22:35,958 --> 05:22:38,958
district and my property is

9605
05:22:39,160 --> 05:22:41,363
adjacent to the current horse

9606
05:22:41,363 --> 05:22:43,499
farm that they would be hoadley

9607
05:22:43,499 --> 05:22:45,734
square I came to the county in

9608
05:22:45,734 --> 05:22:47,734
1970.

9609
05:22:49,400 --> 05:22:51,400
To teach school.

9610
05:22:51,206 --> 05:22:54,206
Dale boulevard ended at derby

9611
05:22:56,111 --> 05:22:56,278
dale at the time

9612
05:22:56,278 --> 05:22:57,246
.

9613
05:22:57,246 --> 05:23:00,246
Lived in my current health

9614
05:23:00,549 --> 05:23:00,716
since 1990

9615
05:23:00,716 --> 05:23:02,716
.

9616
05:23:03,519 --> 05:23:04,520
I have seen the widening in

9617
05:23:04,520 --> 05:23:07,520
forcing the building of the

9618
05:23:09,325 --> 05:23:09,491
parkway

9619
05:23:09,491 --> 05:23:11,491
.

9620
05:23:14,290 --> 05:23:14,763
I've seen it all actually.

9621
05:23:14,763 --> 05:23:15,631
The two projects together, it's

9622
05:23:15,631 --> 05:23:19,231
hard to talk about one without

9623
05:23:20,970 --> 05:23:21,203
talking about the other

9624
05:23:21,203 --> 05:23:22,171
.

9625
05:23:22,171 --> 05:23:25,171
There are good developments but

9626
05:23:27,109 --> 05:23:27,776
not on this area.

9627
05:23:27,776 --> 05:23:28,677
Not for the kind of land they

9628
05:23:28,677 --> 05:23:32,877
would be built on and not the

9629
05:23:33,349 --> 05:23:33,849
traffic it's going to

9630
05:23:33,849 --> 05:23:34,450
exacerbate.

9631
05:23:34,450 --> 05:23:37,450
the clearcutting of the maple

9632
05:23:39,822 --> 05:23:40,122
valley grove area is

9633
05:23:40,122 --> 05:23:40,823
disturbing.

9634
05:23:40,823 --> 05:23:42,823
It's an environmentally

9635
05:23:44,259 --> 05:23:47,859
sensitive area and we have had

9636
05:23:49,130 --> 05:23:52,730
meetings over the last year or

9637
05:23:56,705 --> 05:23:57,606
so within normal experts they

9638
05:23:57,606 --> 05:23:57,840
feel the area should have been

9639
05:23:57,840 --> 05:23:59,840
placed.

9640
05:24:01,677 --> 05:24:04,770
It is very sensitive.

9641
05:24:05,470 --> 05:24:05,281
As wetlands

9642
05:24:05,281 --> 05:24:07,281
.

9643
05:24:07,917 --> 05:24:12,117
It is close to our pas just

9644
05:24:17,260 --> 05:24:17,459
like the horse farm area there

9645
05:24:17,459 --> 05:24:18,427
.

9646
05:24:18,427 --> 05:24:19,610
Whatever is done on the land

9647
05:24:19,610 --> 05:24:19,929
maple valley grove will affect

9648
05:24:19,929 --> 05:24:20,930
on down the area where the

9649
05:24:20,930 --> 05:24:24,530
horse farm is and into our

9650
05:24:24,967 --> 05:24:27,367
neighborhoods we are concerned

9651
05:24:30,406 --> 05:24:33,142
about our wells into houses on

9652
05:24:33,142 --> 05:24:36,742
the street already have had to

9653
05:24:39,148 --> 05:24:39,815
redraw their wells.

9654
05:24:39,815 --> 05:24:40,816
This is a sensitive issue and

9655
05:24:40,816 --> 05:24:45,160
we have a right to be concerned

9656
05:24:48,691 --> 05:24:50,691
with it.

9657
05:24:54,630 --> 05:24:56,298
Added to that in the mosque

9658
05:24:56,298 --> 05:24:58,298
expansion are unimaginable.

9659
05:24:59,468 --> 05:25:00,469
Maple valley grove is going to

9660
05:25:00,469 --> 05:25:02,469
be landlocked

9661
05:25:03,380 --> 05:25:04,672
.

9662
05:25:04,672 --> 05:25:07,643
Is only one road going into the

9663
05:25:07,643 --> 05:25:08,344
and that is galveston.

9664
05:25:08,344 --> 05:25:11,130
Galveston will also be the main

9665
05:25:11,130 --> 05:25:14,613
road bringing the cars in and

9666
05:25:17,152 --> 05:25:18,152
out of hoadley square.

9667
05:25:18,152 --> 05:25:20,322
You can imagine all the people

9668
05:25:20,322 --> 05:25:21,122
in the morning and at night

9669
05:25:21,122 --> 05:25:23,726
coming down to galveston trying

9670
05:25:23,726 --> 05:25:24,727
to get out.

9671
05:25:24,727 --> 05:25:25,694
Is a light but there's also

9672
05:25:25,694 --> 05:25:28,694
another new light thereby the

9673
05:25:37,573 --> 05:25:37,940
mosque when you and the parkway

9674
05:25:37,940 --> 05:25:38,574
very close.

9675
05:25:38,574 --> 05:25:39,241
He traffic jams

9676
05:25:39,241 --> 05:25:39,742
and gridlock are going to start

9677
05:25:39,742 --> 05:25:39,975
on galveston pour out

9678
05:25:39,975 --> 05:25:40,943
.

9679
05:25:40,943 --> 05:25:41,210
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9680
05:25:41,210 --> 05:25:41,709
thank you.

9681
05:25:41,709 --> 05:25:44,109
your time is up.

9682
05:25:49,652 --> 05:25:50,653
Next speaker.

9683
05:25:50,653 --> 05:25:50,853
>> Public Speaker: my name is

9684
05:25:50,853 --> 05:25:51,620
bill.

9685
05:25:51,620 --> 05:25:55,220
I've lived here for 30 years in

9686
05:26:00,195 --> 05:26:01,162
the occoquan district.

9687
05:26:01,162 --> 05:26:01,564
The planning commission denied

9688
05:26:01,564 --> 05:26:01,896
this I'm sure for

9689
05:26:01,896 --> 05:26:03,896
great reasons.

9690
05:26:09,939 --> 05:26:11,600
You got that against it.

9691
05:26:11,600 --> 05:26:11,440
The biggest thing for me is the

9692
05:26:11,440 --> 05:26:11,639
traffic congestion.

9693
05:26:11,639 --> 05:26:12,241
T's a zoo

9694
05:26:12,241 --> 05:26:14,241
out there already.

9695
05:26:15,144 --> 05:26:15,644
On fridays the mosque has a lot

9696
05:26:15,644 --> 05:26:16,512
of people.

9697
05:26:16,512 --> 05:26:17,479
And it does add half an hour.

9698
05:26:17,479 --> 05:26:21,790
I would by the intersection of

9699
05:26:24,286 --> 05:26:25,154
purcell and hoadley.

9700
05:26:25,154 --> 05:26:26,188
When I have to get to the

9701
05:26:26,188 --> 05:26:29,188
parkway going south toward old

9702
05:26:31,393 --> 05:26:33,529
bridge, it's taking me forever

9703
05:26:33,529 --> 05:26:34,496
.

9704
05:26:34,496 --> 05:26:35,497
When I forget about it's friday

9705
05:26:35,497 --> 05:26:36,131
afternoon, I'm in trouble.

9706
05:26:36,131 --> 05:26:40,331
But you put in the light over

9707
05:26:45,774 --> 05:26:46,242
there by the mosque which is

9708
05:26:46,242 --> 05:26:46,909
great.

9709
05:26:46,909 --> 05:26:47,610
The police are still out there

9710
05:26:47,610 --> 05:26:48,310
for what eight hours?

9711
05:26:48,310 --> 05:26:51,310
The start before noon they

9712
05:26:51,680 --> 05:26:52,248
don't stop until after 5:00.

9713
05:26:52,248 --> 05:26:53,182
It is not just one cop.

9714
05:26:53,182 --> 05:26:56,418
Have a bunch of cars down the

9715
05:26:56,418 --> 05:26:56,986
road and they are all there.

9716
05:26:56,986 --> 05:26:59,210
Light is not doing it.

9717
05:26:59,210 --> 05:27:00,220
I can't imagine what the

9718
05:27:00,220 --> 05:27:02,291
intersection of galveston and

9719
05:27:02,291 --> 05:27:02,992
hoadley will be like.

9720
05:27:02,992 --> 05:27:07,192
The only way into and out of

9721
05:27:07,630 --> 05:27:08,300
their

9722
05:27:08,300 --> 05:27:08,731
.

9723
05:27:08,731 --> 05:27:09,665
Women heading east and I have

9724
05:27:09,665 --> 05:27:09,932
to get in there, that's the

9725
05:27:09,932 --> 05:27:09,999
only way

9726
05:27:09,999 --> 05:27:11,999
.

9727
05:27:12,234 --> 05:27:14,403
When I want to go to frosty

9728
05:27:14,403 --> 05:27:18,603
moose I have to thread my way

9729
05:27:20,109 --> 05:27:20,642
over there

9730
05:27:20,642 --> 05:27:21,577
.

9731
05:27:21,577 --> 05:27:22,344
there are a couple ways but

9732
05:27:22,344 --> 05:27:23,178
they are heading west if I want

9733
05:27:23,178 --> 05:27:26,215
to turn around and go back

9734
05:27:26,215 --> 05:27:27,216
toward the parkway I have to

9735
05:27:27,216 --> 05:27:28,250
wait in the separate left-hand

9736
05:27:28,250 --> 05:27:29,752
turning lane to turn around.

9737
05:27:29,752 --> 05:27:32,187
Can there be a separate

9738
05:27:32,187 --> 05:27:34,156
left-hand turning lane for the

9739
05:27:34,156 --> 05:27:34,356
new intersection

9740
05:27:34,356 --> 05:27:34,623
.

9741
05:27:34,623 --> 05:27:36,623
There can.

9742
05:27:36,759 --> 05:27:41,559
When you look at it the way you

9743
05:27:42,310 --> 05:27:42,730
set it up now heading west on

9744
05:27:42,730 --> 05:27:45,130
hoadley after galveston there

9745
05:27:47,102 --> 05:27:48,103
is a left-hand turning lane.

9746
05:27:48,103 --> 05:27:52,174
There's no way to backup a new

9747
05:27:52,174 --> 05:27:52,807
left-hand separate turning lane

9748
05:27:52,807 --> 05:27:55,207
to get into galveston.

9749
05:27:59,515 --> 05:28:00,382
It is going to be a zoo and if

9750
05:28:00,382 --> 05:28:01,283
they are talking about 3700

9751
05:28:01,283 --> 05:28:03,683
additional trips out of

9752
05:28:05,187 --> 05:28:05,754
galveston, that's insane.

9753
05:28:05,754 --> 05:28:07,656
I don't know where the two

9754
05:28:07,656 --> 05:28:10,326
percent figure came from, but I

9755
05:28:10,326 --> 05:28:12,962
can imagine this place grew

9756
05:28:12,962 --> 05:28:14,196
.

9757
05:28:14,196 --> 05:28:15,130
It was a whole lot more than

9758
05:28:15,130 --> 05:28:17,130
that.

9759
05:28:21,737 --> 05:28:22,404
That is a little too much.

9760
05:28:22,404 --> 05:28:22,737
I can't imagine that was

9761
05:28:22,737 --> 05:28:23,239
happening.

9762
05:28:23,239 --> 05:28:25,373
F it was the same

9763
05:28:25,373 --> 05:28:28,973
density as the stuff near penn

9764
05:28:30,979 --> 05:28:31,180
elementary, I guess that would

9765
05:28:31,180 --> 05:28:31,981
work.

9766
05:28:31,981 --> 05:28:33,981
But that's unbelievable.

9767
05:28:35,784 --> 05:28:36,518
And there are other places.

9768
05:28:36,518 --> 05:28:37,887
I have been up and back over by

9769
05:28:37,887 --> 05:28:38,860
costco for the last couple

9770
05:28:38,860 --> 05:28:38,954
weeks.

9771
05:28:38,954 --> 05:28:42,554
On either side of ashton avenue

9772
05:28:43,993 --> 05:28:44,994
.

9773
05:28:44,994 --> 05:28:45,694
There are already constructed

9774
05:28:45,694 --> 05:28:48,940
entrances into vacant land.

9775
05:28:51,200 --> 05:28:51,500
It seems like nobody can be a

9776
05:28:51,500 --> 05:28:52,334
good place.

9777
05:28:52,334 --> 05:28:53,168
I very much hope you're getting

9778
05:28:53,168 --> 05:28:54,168
rid of this thing.

9779
05:28:54,168 --> 05:28:54,436
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9780
05:28:54,436 --> 05:28:56,436
thank you.

9781
05:28:57,940 --> 05:28:59,940
next speaker, please.

9782
05:29:00,900 --> 05:29:02,900
Spoke on michael.

9783
05:29:05,814 --> 05:29:08,317
On reside in occoquan district.

9784
05:29:08,317 --> 05:29:10,319
I spent the last several weeks

9785
05:29:10,319 --> 05:29:11,921
walking our communities.

9786
05:29:11,921 --> 05:29:14,921
I have been taught over 300

9787
05:29:19,194 --> 05:29:21,594
houses and universally every

9788
05:29:22,431 --> 05:29:23,899
single person I talked to that

9789
05:29:23,899 --> 05:29:26,899
I encounter walking dogs, they

9790
05:29:28,202 --> 05:29:28,871
were shocked and irate when

9791
05:29:28,871 --> 05:29:32,471
they found out the details of

9792
05:29:37,213 --> 05:29:38,347
the two projects.

9793
05:29:38,347 --> 05:29:38,581
Maple valley and hoadley

9794
05:29:38,581 --> 05:29:39,381
square.

9795
05:29:39,381 --> 05:29:39,615
Mostly speaking about maple

9796
05:29:39,615 --> 05:29:39,982
valley.

9797
05:29:39,982 --> 05:29:42,382
He density is what

9798
05:29:42,451 --> 05:29:43,520
was shocking to them.

9799
05:29:43,520 --> 05:29:44,190
They were appalled this is

9800
05:29:44,190 --> 05:29:44,687
being considered for this place

9801
05:29:44,687 --> 05:29:45,554
in the county.

9802
05:29:45,554 --> 05:29:46,488
I grew up working for my father

9803
05:29:46,488 --> 05:29:46,722
who owned a construction

9804
05:29:46,722 --> 05:29:48,722
company.

9805
05:29:50,859 --> 05:29:51,930
I know growth is a part of this

9806
05:29:51,930 --> 05:29:51,961
county.

9807
05:29:51,961 --> 05:29:56,161
I've been here since I was born

9808
05:29:58,132 --> 05:29:58,734
1979.

9809
05:29:58,734 --> 05:29:59,234
My grandmother sat on the

9810
05:29:59,234 --> 05:30:01,234
school board.

9811
05:30:01,303 --> 05:30:02,604
I understand the challenges

9812
05:30:02,604 --> 05:30:03,272
from having conversations

9813
05:30:03,272 --> 05:30:04,105
across the dinner table.

9814
05:30:04,105 --> 05:30:04,840
The fact the schools are

9815
05:30:04,840 --> 05:30:08,440
looking up this the way they

9816
05:30:08,777 --> 05:30:10,512
are on the fact when I talk to

9817
05:30:10,512 --> 05:30:10,913
people that have a lived

9818
05:30:10,913 --> 05:30:11,212
experience every

9819
05:30:11,212 --> 05:30:13,212
day like myself

9820
05:30:14,717 --> 05:30:17,717
, this didn't project in the

9821
05:30:19,188 --> 05:30:19,889
shape it is today is being

9822
05:30:19,889 --> 05:30:20,623
considered for a vote.

9823
05:30:20,623 --> 05:30:23,259
It's horrifying to those of us

9824
05:30:23,259 --> 05:30:24,293
who live here.

9825
05:30:24,293 --> 05:30:28,493
I'm not saying l1 as he glanced

9826
05:30:29,131 --> 05:30:29,365
exactly as it is.

9827
05:30:29,365 --> 05:30:31,365
We grow.

9828
05:30:31,967 --> 05:30:34,967
We improve the community around

9829
05:30:40,800 --> 05:30:41,100
us.

9830
05:30:41,100 --> 05:30:42,110
This particular project is too

9831
05:30:42,110 --> 05:30:44,411
dense for the current

9832
05:30:47,917 --> 05:30:48,616
transportation schools.

9833
05:30:48,616 --> 05:30:49,919
What I would ask is to consider

9834
05:30:49,919 --> 05:30:51,320
looking at things holistically

9835
05:30:51,320 --> 05:30:51,954
against all the projects being

9836
05:30:51,954 --> 05:30:52,221
considered an offer real world

9837
05:30:52,221 --> 05:30:54,890
solutions.

9838
05:30:54,890 --> 05:30:57,126
Turn lane for the parkway is a

9839
05:30:57,126 --> 05:30:59,126
laughable solution.

9840
05:31:03,132 --> 05:31:03,866
Look at what is being done with

9841
05:31:03,866 --> 05:31:05,167
the overpass.

9842
05:31:05,167 --> 05:31:06,802
That is a more recent solution.

9843
05:31:06,802 --> 05:31:09,802
We need real solutions that

9844
05:31:14,543 --> 05:31:15,176
exist today before the project

9845
05:31:15,176 --> 05:31:16,111
is put in place.

9846
05:31:16,111 --> 05:31:16,779
We have real challenges that

9847
05:31:16,779 --> 05:31:19,179
need to be addressed.

9848
05:31:22,117 --> 05:31:23,118
Thank you for my time.

9849
05:31:23,118 --> 05:31:23,385
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9850
05:31:23,385 --> 05:31:25,385
thank you.

9851
05:31:29,858 --> 05:31:30,859
Next speaker, please.

9852
05:31:30,859 --> 05:31:31,560
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:

9853
05:31:31,560 --> 05:31:32,528
>> Public Speaker: my name is

9854
05:31:32,528 --> 05:31:33,662
james highland park we recently

9855
05:31:33,662 --> 05:31:36,620
relocated from the subdivision.

9856
05:31:36,864 --> 05:31:39,340
My wife and I fell in love with

9857
05:31:39,340 --> 05:31:39,735
the neighborhood 22 years ago.

9858
05:31:39,735 --> 05:31:43,935
There was a horse farm in the

9859
05:31:44,730 --> 05:31:44,273
bryson substation on hoadley

9860
05:31:44,273 --> 05:31:44,907
road.

9861
05:31:44,907 --> 05:31:47,307
Obviously things have changed

9862
05:31:48,843 --> 05:31:49,378
quite a bit over the years.

9863
05:31:49,378 --> 05:31:51,778
We couldn't handle the

9864
05:31:54,850 --> 05:31:55,784
congestion and frustrations of

9865
05:31:55,784 --> 05:31:56,819
the friday traffic alone, let

9866
05:31:56,819 --> 05:31:57,620
alone all the other development

9867
05:31:57,620 --> 05:31:59,620
proposals.

9868
05:32:06,262 --> 05:32:07,263
We relocated to montclair.

9869
05:32:07,263 --> 05:32:07,830
High density growth in a small

9870
05:32:07,830 --> 05:32:08,764
congested sector is not

9871
05:32:08,764 --> 05:32:10,764
intelligent, well-planned

9872
05:32:14,360 --> 05:32:15,137
development.

9873
05:32:15,137 --> 05:32:15,704
The result is a plethora of

9874
05:32:15,704 --> 05:32:16,537
danger and safety concerns

9875
05:32:16,537 --> 05:32:18,730
together with environmental and

9876
05:32:18,730 --> 05:32:18,807
quality-of-life issues.

9877
05:32:18,807 --> 05:32:21,207
The building codes developers

9878
05:32:25,681 --> 05:32:26,448
must abide by.

9879
05:32:26,448 --> 05:32:27,316
Although your transportation

9880
05:32:27,316 --> 05:32:30,916
code sound accurate, I have to

9881
05:32:34,823 --> 05:32:35,524
wonder about the practicality.

9882
05:32:35,524 --> 05:32:36,425
When the population quadruples

9883
05:32:36,425 --> 05:32:37,359
in the same two lanes on the

9884
05:32:37,359 --> 05:32:38,827
road network, something is

9885
05:32:38,827 --> 05:32:39,795
definitely wrong.

9886
05:32:39,795 --> 05:32:42,795
All this suggests the primary

9887
05:32:44,767 --> 05:32:45,801
emphasis is on tax revenue and

9888
05:32:45,801 --> 05:32:46,502
appeasing the interest of one

9889
05:32:46,502 --> 05:32:49,502
group over the betterment of

9890
05:32:52,440 --> 05:32:53,420
all.

9891
05:32:53,420 --> 05:32:54,443
Thank you very much.

9892
05:32:54,443 --> 05:32:55,110
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9893
05:32:55,110 --> 05:32:56,450
before we get to the next

9894
05:32:56,450 --> 05:32:56,245
speaker want to call up my next

9895
05:32:56,245 --> 05:32:56,712
group.

9896
05:32:56,712 --> 05:32:58,712
Doctor jack, andrew

9897
05:32:59,982 --> 05:33:01,483
, nancy and

9898
05:33:01,483 --> 05:33:03,483
julie

9899
05:33:16,265 --> 05:33:16,532
.

9900
05:33:16,532 --> 05:33:18,532
All right.

9901
05:33:23,272 --> 05:33:24,273
You MAY proceed to.

9902
05:33:24,273 --> 05:33:25,274
>> Public Speaker: I'm clancy

9903
05:33:25,274 --> 05:33:27,674
phenol lakewood occoquan civic

9904
05:33:29,511 --> 05:33:30,179
association.

9905
05:33:30,179 --> 05:33:31,113
In occoquan district.

9906
05:33:31,113 --> 05:33:32,381
I been in the same house since

9907
05:33:32,381 --> 05:33:34,381
1973.

9908
05:33:40,990 --> 05:33:41,857
More than three months.

9909
05:33:41,857 --> 05:33:42,958
Five minutes, right?

9910
05:33:42,958 --> 05:33:43,626
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9911
05:33:43,626 --> 05:33:46,495
if you get the five minutes

9912
05:33:46,495 --> 05:33:47,596
then doctor jack can't get it.

9913
05:33:47,596 --> 05:33:47,795
>> Public Speaker: you get that

9914
05:33:47,795 --> 05:33:49,765
then.

9915
05:33:49,765 --> 05:33:50,933
He will give you the history

9916
05:33:50,933 --> 05:33:51,600
.

9917
05:33:51,600 --> 05:33:52,601
I served on the comp plan

9918
05:33:52,601 --> 05:33:56,201
committee and I served on the

9919
05:33:57,106 --> 05:33:59,106
csm committee.

9920
05:34:07,950 --> 05:34:08,984
We tried to protect occoquan,

9921
05:34:08,984 --> 05:34:09,818
our drinking water, all that

9922
05:34:09,818 --> 05:34:10,519
you and all that everybody in

9923
05:34:10,519 --> 05:34:13,355
this room other than those of

9924
05:34:13,355 --> 05:34:14,560
you who are on a well.

9925
05:34:14,560 --> 05:34:15,224
That's our legacy to protect

9926
05:34:15,224 --> 05:34:17,224
it.

9927
05:34:21,397 --> 05:34:22,831
And not overburdening the river

9928
05:34:22,831 --> 05:34:24,831
with inappropriate developments

9929
05:34:26,302 --> 05:34:26,936
.

9930
05:34:26,936 --> 05:34:30,406
We are putting in an urban

9931
05:34:30,406 --> 05:34:32,740
center in the middle of our

9932
05:34:32,740 --> 05:34:32,641
so-called rural area

9933
05:34:32,641 --> 05:34:34,641
.

9934
05:34:37,246 --> 05:34:38,247
I have a question.

9935
05:34:38,247 --> 05:34:38,948
The staff said they are going

9936
05:34:38,948 --> 05:34:39,882
to try to get trees preserved,

9937
05:34:39,882 --> 05:34:43,482
but I didn't hear the county

9938
05:34:44,486 --> 05:34:45,354
arborist made any sense that

9939
05:34:45,354 --> 05:34:48,954
you could have trees where you

9940
05:34:51,894 --> 05:34:52,861
could clear cut everything.

9941
05:34:52,861 --> 05:34:53,896
I know we worked with ridge

9942
05:34:53,896 --> 05:34:54,563
development for years trying to

9943
05:34:54,563 --> 05:34:55,898
retain as many trees as we

9944
05:34:55,898 --> 05:34:56,732
could in lake rachael and that

9945
05:34:56,732 --> 05:35:00,169
is why you have trees there,

9946
05:35:00,169 --> 05:35:00,903
but the fact of the matter is

9947
05:35:00,903 --> 05:35:04,503
when 1/4 acre lot you can save

9948
05:35:06,375 --> 05:35:06,775
some trees

9949
05:35:06,775 --> 05:35:07,509
.

9950
05:35:07,509 --> 05:35:08,410
On this thing there's no way

9951
05:35:08,410 --> 05:35:10,679
you would have trees anywhere

9952
05:35:10,679 --> 05:35:14,279
except in the buffer and they

9953
05:35:20,422 --> 05:35:21,190
don't want to have a buffer.

9954
05:35:21,190 --> 05:35:21,590
Needs to have as much buffering

9955
05:35:21,590 --> 05:35:22,558
as possible.

9956
05:35:22,558 --> 05:35:23,592
MAY be a golf cart path between

9957
05:35:23,592 --> 05:35:24,426
the development and shopping

9958
05:35:24,426 --> 05:35:27,426
centers of people who can't

9959
05:35:33,936 --> 05:35:34,570
carry poorer buybacks can hop

9960
05:35:34,570 --> 05:35:35,437
in their golf cart like they do

9961
05:35:35,437 --> 05:35:36,438
in florida and drive down there

9962
05:35:36,438 --> 05:35:39,108
and go shopping in the shopping

9963
05:35:39,108 --> 05:35:39,808
center.

9964
05:35:39,808 --> 05:35:40,643
We need, I know we ignore this

9965
05:35:40,643 --> 05:35:45,443
but we need to look at the d

9966
05:35:45,915 --> 05:35:46,916
csm to say what kind of

9967
05:35:46,916 --> 05:35:47,115
development standards do we

9968
05:35:47,115 --> 05:35:48,751
want.

9969
05:35:48,751 --> 05:35:49,180
Fairfax county has done not we

9970
05:35:49,180 --> 05:35:49,752
have not.

9971
05:35:49,752 --> 05:35:53,352
Our stop is way behind the

9972
05:35:54,256 --> 05:35:55,190
curve trying to preserve the

9973
05:35:55,190 --> 05:35:55,824
occoquan reservoir is a

9974
05:35:55,824 --> 05:35:56,900
drinking water source.

9975
05:35:56,900 --> 05:35:58,900
Thank you.

9976
05:36:00,930 --> 05:36:02,930
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9977
05:36:05,734 --> 05:36:06,902
next speaker.

9978
05:36:06,902 --> 05:36:07,436
>> Public Speaker: good evening

9979
05:36:07,436 --> 05:36:08,370
MADAM Chair.

9980
05:36:08,370 --> 05:36:09,238
I wanted to wish you a.

9981
05:36:09,238 --> 05:36:11,238
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

9982
05:36:19,348 --> 05:36:20,849
doctor jack, thank you.

9983
05:36:20,849 --> 05:36:21,717
>> Public Speaker: 11 occoquan

9984
05:36:21,717 --> 05:36:22,351
magisterial district.

9985
05:36:22,351 --> 05:36:24,687
Wanted to welcome george

9986
05:36:24,687 --> 05:36:25,354
stewart and wish you the best

9987
05:36:25,354 --> 05:36:27,823
for holidays and new year

9988
05:36:27,823 --> 05:36:28,791
ahead.

9989
05:36:28,791 --> 05:36:32,391
Would like to ask for five

9990
05:36:35,931 --> 05:36:36,532
minutes.

9991
05:36:36,532 --> 05:36:37,433
I don't know if I need it.

9992
05:36:37,433 --> 05:36:39,969
I served on the original

9993
05:36:39,969 --> 05:36:42,369
committee over 15 years ago

9994
05:36:45,274 --> 05:36:47,610
when we recommended to be

9995
05:36:47,610 --> 05:36:49,610
created.

9996
05:36:51,513 --> 05:36:55,713
We had high hopes but we were

9997
05:36:57,152 --> 05:36:58,870
very much gratified to see this

9998
05:36:58,870 --> 05:37:00,189
happen with the 2022 comp plan.

9999
05:37:00,189 --> 05:37:03,189
Was wonderful but we don't

10000
05:37:11,634 --> 05:37:12,635
have something like an

10001
05:37:12,635 --> 05:37:13,335
ordinance that could

10002
05:37:13,335 --> 05:37:14,336
institutionalize some of the

10003
05:37:14,336 --> 05:37:15,700
things one would expect.

10004
05:37:15,700 --> 05:37:18,670
I would like us to collectively

10005
05:37:19,708 --> 05:37:23,308
think about that what we might

10006
05:37:24,613 --> 05:37:27,983
do to move in that direction to

10007
05:37:27,983 --> 05:37:30,983
have guidance, text and stuff

10008
05:37:32,621 --> 05:37:33,220
that would have expectations

10009
05:37:33,220 --> 05:37:35,220
for performance.

10010
05:37:38,327 --> 05:37:39,428
That would be very helpful in

10011
05:37:39,428 --> 05:37:41,428
our decision-making process

10012
05:37:41,897 --> 05:37:42,565
moving forward to.

10013
05:37:42,565 --> 05:37:44,967
And currently the site is a

10014
05:37:44,967 --> 05:37:47,367
very heavily wooded site.

10015
05:37:50,906 --> 05:37:51,507
It's only 23.4 acres and when

10016
05:37:51,507 --> 05:37:54,443
it came into the belt

10017
05:37:54,443 --> 05:37:57,443
committee, we do what we

10018
05:38:01,250 --> 05:38:01,884
normally do.

10019
05:38:01,884 --> 05:38:02,751
Extend are welcome to the

10020
05:38:02,751 --> 05:38:06,550
applicant we try to be as

10021
05:38:06,550 --> 05:38:08,324
objective as we can.

10022
05:38:08,324 --> 05:38:12,127
We work in the guidance of the

10023
05:38:12,127 --> 05:38:14,597
former german for 23 years and

10024
05:38:14,597 --> 05:38:17,597
he would say hey guys

10025
05:38:22,972 --> 05:38:23,672
, what if

10026
05:38:23,672 --> 05:38:24,606
the board approves the project

10027
05:38:24,606 --> 05:38:27,476
any misgivings you walk away or

10028
05:38:27,476 --> 05:38:28,177
do you continue the dialogue.

10029
05:38:28,177 --> 05:38:28,844
His recommendation was always

10030
05:38:28,844 --> 05:38:30,844
continue the dialogue.

10031
05:38:31,547 --> 05:38:33,547
walk away.

10032
05:38:34,160 --> 05:38:37,616
We did meet with the applicant

10033
05:38:37,786 --> 05:38:39,786
more than once.

10034
05:38:42,924 --> 05:38:43,525
The last time was JULY 31.

10035
05:38:43,525 --> 05:38:44,393
The committee had mixed

10036
05:38:44,393 --> 05:38:46,228
feelings about this high

10037
05:38:46,228 --> 05:38:46,996
density

10038
05:38:46,996 --> 05:38:47,997
.

10039
05:38:47,997 --> 05:38:50,997
We weren't enthusiastic for the

10040
05:38:52,701 --> 05:38:53,636
project we had mixed feelings

10041
05:38:53,636 --> 05:38:53,836
for a lot of the high density

10042
05:38:53,836 --> 05:38:55,836
in

10043
05:38:57,390 --> 05:38:58,730
the area.

10044
05:38:58,730 --> 05:38:59,108
But we understand when the

10045
05:38:59,108 --> 05:39:01,108
transportation solutions to

10046
05:39:05,114 --> 05:39:07,514
move hoadley road westerly

10047
05:39:10,185 --> 05:39:13,785
occurred, and set up a major

10048
05:39:15,190 --> 05:39:19,280
network all the way it is the

10049
05:39:19,280 --> 05:39:20,290
root 234 and set up the growth

10050
05:39:20,290 --> 05:39:20,328
and development patterns for

10051
05:39:20,328 --> 05:39:22,328
developers

10052
05:39:27,670 --> 05:39:28,504
.

10053
05:39:28,504 --> 05:39:29,371
B& a part of the normal result

10054
05:39:29,371 --> 05:39:32,371
you see with the developers

10055
05:39:32,575 --> 05:39:36,175
coming in looking at the comp

10056
05:39:38,414 --> 05:39:42,614
plan in here you have the mu3

10057
05:39:59,401 --> 05:40:00,335
and comp plan for mu3 and at

10058
05:40:00,335 --> 05:40:01,203
the higher end.

10059
05:40:01,203 --> 05:40:01,770
I just want to say we support

10060
05:40:01,770 --> 05:40:02,738
element in here that try to

10061
05:40:02,738 --> 05:40:03,372
provide for green space,

10062
05:40:03,372 --> 05:40:03,606
continued green space along the

10063
05:40:03,606 --> 05:40:04,607
parkway.

10064
05:40:04,607 --> 05:40:05,674
The 50 foot buffer along the

10065
05:40:05,674 --> 05:40:06,208
parkway, we fully support that.

10066
05:40:06,208 --> 05:40:06,809
We were talking about the

10067
05:40:06,809 --> 05:40:07,509
pedestrian walkway there

10068
05:40:07,509 --> 05:40:09,445
, but

10069
05:40:09,445 --> 05:40:12,615
that was taken out and we

10070
05:40:12,615 --> 05:40:15,150
understand having the full 50

10071
05:40:17,887 --> 05:40:18,587
foot buffer.

10072
05:40:18,587 --> 05:40:20,422
Of the planning commission

10073
05:40:20,422 --> 05:40:22,822
there was much discussion

10074
05:40:23,959 --> 05:40:24,894
regarding the 30 foot buffer to

10075
05:40:24,894 --> 05:40:27,294
integrate it with amenities

10076
05:40:29,365 --> 05:40:32,868
along the property line is a

10077
05:40:32,868 --> 05:40:34,203
good idea, but you have the

10078
05:40:34,203 --> 05:40:37,203
backs of the shopping center

10079
05:40:41,710 --> 05:40:42,610
that need more buffering so I

10080
05:40:42,610 --> 05:40:43,612
think staff recommendation to

10081
05:40:43,612 --> 05:40:43,979
look at beefing that up is a

10082
05:40:43,979 --> 05:40:45,979
reasonable one

10083
05:40:47,950 --> 05:40:48,983
.

10084
05:40:48,983 --> 05:40:53,560
We should take that only got it

10085
05:40:53,560 --> 05:40:53,989
more carefully and see what

10086
05:40:53,989 --> 05:40:55,991
could be done there to improve

10087
05:40:55,991 --> 05:40:57,991
it.

10088
05:41:02,565 --> 05:41:03,365
We are asking for stormwater we

10089
05:41:03,365 --> 05:41:05,234
have a proffer which we

10090
05:41:05,234 --> 05:41:05,901
supported and we would like to

10091
05:41:05,901 --> 05:41:08,301
encourage dialogue with the

10092
05:41:17,120 --> 05:41:17,279
applicant for controls

10093
05:41:17,279 --> 05:41:18,214
,

10094
05:41:18,214 --> 05:41:18,814
including things later on we

10095
05:41:18,814 --> 05:41:21,584
will see applications on the

10096
05:41:21,584 --> 05:41:22,384
reservoir.

10097
05:41:22,384 --> 05:41:22,751
That would to be a very good

10098
05:41:22,751 --> 05:41:23,384
thing.

10099
05:41:23,384 --> 05:41:26,984
And so with that we are

10100
05:41:29,625 --> 05:41:31,625
comfortable offering those

10101
05:41:32,895 --> 05:41:35,295
suggestions thank you very

10102
05:41:38,330 --> 05:41:39,680
much.

10103
05:41:39,680 --> 05:41:39,335
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10104
05:41:39,335 --> 05:41:41,335
thank you.

10105
05:41:44,730 --> 05:41:46,730
Next speaker.

10106
05:41:47,420 --> 05:41:49,420
>> good evening.

10107
05:42:10,866 --> 05:42:11,300
Can you hear me okay?

10108
05:42:11,300 --> 05:42:12,101
Good evening chair

10109
05:42:12,101 --> 05:42:12,534
jefferson and

10110
05:42:12,534 --> 05:42:13,134
supervisors.

10111
05:42:13,134 --> 05:42:13,669
My name is nancy and I'm the

10112
05:42:13,669 --> 05:42:14,536
occoquan resident.

10113
05:42:14,536 --> 05:42:14,970
I've lived in the county for 38

10114
05:42:14,970 --> 05:42:15,604
years.

10115
05:42:15,604 --> 05:42:16,372
I'm come tonight to ask you to

10116
05:42:16,372 --> 05:42:17,720
vote no to the maple grove

10117
05:42:17,720 --> 05:42:18,373
project for the reasons for

10118
05:42:18,373 --> 05:42:19,410
denial have been eloquently

10119
05:42:19,410 --> 05:42:19,308
expressed by the previous

10120
05:42:19,308 --> 05:42:19,874
speakers.

10121
05:42:19,874 --> 05:42:20,876
Y main issue is

10122
05:42:20,876 --> 05:42:21,510
the potential impact on the

10123
05:42:21,510 --> 05:42:22,144
occoquan reservoir in our

10124
05:42:22,144 --> 05:42:22,877
drinking water.

10125
05:42:22,877 --> 05:42:23,879
The other issues are traffic,

10126
05:42:23,879 --> 05:42:25,447
the impact of schools and the

10127
05:42:25,447 --> 05:42:25,847
overall environmental impact

10128
05:42:25,847 --> 05:42:26,515
.

10129
05:42:26,515 --> 05:42:27,483
For the record I am requesting

10130
05:42:27,483 --> 05:42:28,284
you deny the hoadley square

10131
05:42:28,284 --> 05:42:29,184
project for the same reasons.

10132
05:42:29,184 --> 05:42:29,385
Please protect the occoquan

10133
05:42:29,385 --> 05:42:30,953
,

10134
05:42:30,953 --> 05:42:34,790
the water I drink in the water

10135
05:42:34,790 --> 05:42:35,900
that 800,000 people drink in

10136
05:42:35,900 --> 05:42:37,900
this region.

10137
05:42:38,928 --> 05:42:39,728
Thank you.

10138
05:42:39,728 --> 05:42:41,728
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10139
05:42:44,233 --> 05:42:45,167
I have a couple more people.

10140
05:42:45,167 --> 05:42:49,367
I will call up MR. Richard as

10141
05:42:56,312 --> 05:42:58,647
well and nathan higgins.

10142
05:42:58,647 --> 05:43:00,647
>> good evening.

10143
05:43:07,489 --> 05:43:07,990
Can you hear me?

10144
05:43:07,990 --> 05:43:08,290
Can you hear me?

10145
05:43:08,290 --> 05:43:09,910
Okay, great.

10146
05:43:09,910 --> 05:43:10,726
My name is julia and I am in

10147
05:43:10,726 --> 05:43:10,893
the occoquan district

10148
05:43:10,893 --> 05:43:12,893
.

10149
05:43:15,764 --> 05:43:16,765
I am a resident here and have

10150
05:43:16,765 --> 05:43:19,765
been disappointed to hear this

10151
05:43:21,300 --> 05:43:21,370
type and development is coming

10152
05:43:21,370 --> 05:43:23,205
into this area.

10153
05:43:23,205 --> 05:43:25,605
I moved here specifically

10154
05:43:26,909 --> 05:43:28,177
because I somehow green and

10155
05:43:28,177 --> 05:43:30,577
protected the area was.

10156
05:43:33,949 --> 05:43:34,884
I saw there was the put in

10157
05:43:34,884 --> 05:43:36,850
place and how that felt that

10158
05:43:36,850 --> 05:43:38,754
was a great sign for the

10159
05:43:38,754 --> 05:43:41,754
community to show they take

10160
05:43:41,891 --> 05:43:44,291
their watershed seriously, they

10161
05:43:47,730 --> 05:43:48,631
want to protect the trees and I

10162
05:43:48,631 --> 05:43:51,600
would really like this area was

10163
05:43:51,600 --> 05:43:52,368
protective of the reason.

10164
05:43:52,368 --> 05:43:55,368
Have been very disappointed to

10165
05:43:57,940 --> 05:44:01,540
see the projects will chip away

10166
05:44:02,811 --> 05:44:02,945
at the protections given

10167
05:44:02,945 --> 05:44:04,945
.

10168
05:44:05,548 --> 05:44:05,614
Our houses off of the well

10169
05:44:05,614 --> 05:44:07,614
.

10170
05:44:09,318 --> 05:44:10,190
Worried about drinking water.

10171
05:44:10,190 --> 05:44:13,190
Thinking all the issues that

10172
05:44:13,556 --> 05:44:16,992
would come from not having a

10173
05:44:16,992 --> 05:44:17,726
house with water.

10174
05:44:17,726 --> 05:44:21,326
That is something that keeps me

10175
05:44:24,700 --> 05:44:25,367
up at night.

10176
05:44:25,367 --> 05:44:26,301
It sounds like this area for

10177
05:44:26,301 --> 05:44:27,603
maple grove, even though it is

10178
05:44:27,603 --> 05:44:30,139
technically not in the orpa it

10179
05:44:30,139 --> 05:44:33,139
will have impacts which is

10180
05:44:35,210 --> 05:44:37,610
definitely where hoadley square

10181
05:44:40,150 --> 05:44:40,783
is planning to go.

10182
05:44:40,783 --> 05:44:43,719
I've seen the plans, it seems

10183
05:44:43,719 --> 05:44:44,720
80 percent covered in concrete.

10184
05:44:44,720 --> 05:44:47,790
But the big buildings in the

10185
05:44:47,790 --> 05:44:50,790
parking lots and I'm very

10186
05:44:52,561 --> 05:44:52,795
concerned about the storm water

10187
05:44:52,795 --> 05:44:53,629
runoff.

10188
05:44:53,629 --> 05:44:54,196
And so I would request that if

10189
05:44:54,196 --> 05:44:56,765
there is some kind of

10190
05:44:56,765 --> 05:44:59,165
development here to greatly

10191
05:44:59,535 --> 05:45:02,538
reduce it to look at having

10192
05:45:02,538 --> 05:45:04,390
something that is required to

10193
05:45:04,390 --> 05:45:07,639
have the four houses per acre

10194
05:45:08,911 --> 05:45:09,879
.

10195
05:45:09,879 --> 05:45:11,280
Something, I believe some

10196
05:45:11,280 --> 05:45:14,280
dimension before some kind of

10197
05:45:15,184 --> 05:45:17,519
trade-off that is not the same

10198
05:45:17,519 --> 05:45:21,119
requirements but it could be a

10199
05:45:24,960 --> 05:45:26,960
transition period location.

10200
05:45:32,434 --> 05:45:33,102
Also worried about the traffic

10201
05:45:33,102 --> 05:45:33,936
everything is going from what

10202
05:45:33,936 --> 05:45:34,336
I've been able to see in and

10203
05:45:34,336 --> 05:45:36,336
out of galveston.

10204
05:45:38,574 --> 05:45:41,210
Road in the is going to be for

10205
05:45:41,210 --> 05:45:43,512
the very dense communities

10206
05:45:43,512 --> 05:45:46,512
adding all the extra cars

10207
05:45:51,253 --> 05:45:54,853
trying to get on to hoadley.

10208
05:45:58,427 --> 05:45:59,128
I also live in the hoadley area

10209
05:45:59,128 --> 05:45:59,929
and can imagine how we would be

10210
05:45:59,929 --> 05:46:02,331
able to reach principal and

10211
05:46:02,331 --> 05:46:02,898
parkway again.

10212
05:46:02,898 --> 05:46:05,298
I appreciate your time.

10213
05:46:06,100 --> 05:46:09,601
I urge you to vote no

10214
05:46:09,638 --> 05:46:10,639
.

10215
05:46:10,639 --> 05:46:12,639
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10216
05:46:22,284 --> 05:46:23,285
next speaker, please.

10217
05:46:23,285 --> 05:46:23,552
>> good evening board, chair

10218
05:46:23,552 --> 05:46:23,953
jefferson!

10219
05:46:23,953 --> 05:46:24,820
My name is andrew.

10220
05:46:24,820 --> 05:46:25,870
I live in the occoquan

10221
05:46:25,870 --> 05:46:27,870
district.

10222
05:46:27,990 --> 05:46:28,623
I move from fairfax county to

10223
05:46:28,623 --> 05:46:31,230
hoadley behind the mosque.

10224
05:46:31,260 --> 05:46:32,328
Our whole desire was to get

10225
05:46:32,328 --> 05:46:35,928
away from the high density, the

10226
05:46:36,498 --> 05:46:38,834
high-traffic and to seek peace

10227
05:46:38,834 --> 05:46:40,834
.

10228
05:46:49,545 --> 05:46:50,446
I highly recommend you vote no

10229
05:46:50,446 --> 05:46:51,450
and the type space area.

10230
05:46:51,450 --> 05:46:51,280
And for the reasons is high

10231
05:46:51,280 --> 05:46:52,140
density.

10232
05:46:52,140 --> 05:46:52,615
This is meant for an easy

10233
05:46:52,615 --> 05:46:55,615
transit is all the other

10234
05:46:55,851 --> 05:46:56,719
speakers it is not easy transit

10235
05:46:56,719 --> 05:46:57,353
to get to 95 and to 66.

10236
05:46:57,353 --> 05:46:59,421
You are putting these people

10237
05:46:59,421 --> 05:47:02,224
everyone is arguing for I do

10238
05:47:02,224 --> 05:47:03,920
more of a disadvantage in the

10239
05:47:03,920 --> 05:47:05,492
strength of the infrastructure

10240
05:47:06,896 --> 05:47:07,863
on the occoquan district.

10241
05:47:07,863 --> 05:47:11,367
That creates a domino effect of

10242
05:47:11,367 --> 05:47:14,367
taxpayers pay more taxes to

10243
05:47:16,238 --> 05:47:16,972
increase the bus infrastructure

10244
05:47:16,972 --> 05:47:17,873
and if the metro made it this

10245
05:47:17,873 --> 05:47:19,708
far, anything like that versus

10246
05:47:19,708 --> 05:47:20,409
keeping intact the way it is

10247
05:47:20,409 --> 05:47:21,644
and we say develop and improve

10248
05:47:21,644 --> 05:47:21,710
the district

10249
05:47:21,710 --> 05:47:23,710
.

10250
05:47:24,345 --> 05:47:26,345
Select another area.

10251
05:47:31,620 --> 05:47:31,987
On the schools, all they offer

10252
05:47:31,987 --> 05:47:32,922
is rezoning.

10253
05:47:32,922 --> 05:47:37,122
As of today of four first grade

10254
05:47:39,194 --> 05:47:39,929
classes, for second grade at

10255
05:47:39,929 --> 05:47:40,663
mass convexity 21.

10256
05:47:40,663 --> 05:47:41,630
He developed the new homes and

10257
05:47:41,630 --> 05:47:42,297
you are bringing in new younger

10258
05:47:42,297 --> 05:47:42,965
families, what do you think

10259
05:47:42,965 --> 05:47:43,632
that will impact?

10260
05:47:43,632 --> 05:47:44,567
Rezoning will not solve the

10261
05:47:44,567 --> 05:47:45,768
problem so infrastructure once

10262
05:47:45,768 --> 05:47:47,768
again not sustainable.

10263
05:47:48,704 --> 05:47:49,404
Taxes go up.

10264
05:47:49,404 --> 05:47:50,171
We talked about from prince

10265
05:47:50,171 --> 05:47:52,571
william county within five

10266
05:47:53,542 --> 05:47:54,476
years fairfax county people not

10267
05:47:54,476 --> 05:47:57,980
be able to live in the county

10268
05:47:57,980 --> 05:47:58,981
because of the property tax

10269
05:47:58,981 --> 05:48:00,150
because it was poor planning

10270
05:48:00,150 --> 05:48:02,415
infrastructure and starting to

10271
05:48:02,818 --> 05:48:03,786
fall apart again.

10272
05:48:03,786 --> 05:48:04,787
To take into consideration the

10273
05:48:04,787 --> 05:48:06,988
community being developed as we

10274
05:48:06,988 --> 05:48:07,489
speak.

10275
05:48:07,489 --> 05:48:08,157
There are 1015 homes be

10276
05:48:08,157 --> 05:48:10,557
developed that would create

10277
05:48:14,396 --> 05:48:15,331
5000 more trips per day and

10278
05:48:15,331 --> 05:48:15,831
that is on a standard two-car

10279
05:48:15,831 --> 05:48:17,831
household.

10280
05:48:19,368 --> 05:48:20,302
Many have kids who drive, and

10281
05:48:20,302 --> 05:48:22,371
laws to live with us and so

10282
05:48:22,371 --> 05:48:24,371
increase that number.

10283
05:48:27,276 --> 05:48:27,942
As we talked about the effects

10284
05:48:27,942 --> 05:48:29,845
of maple grove, it does not

10285
05:48:29,845 --> 05:48:33,445
fall on orpa but it would

10286
05:48:34,717 --> 05:48:36,318
affect the 800,000 people that

10287
05:48:36,318 --> 05:48:36,452
that water system provides

10288
05:48:36,452 --> 05:48:37,920
.

10289
05:48:37,920 --> 05:48:40,655
With in my neighborhood we have

10290
05:48:40,655 --> 05:48:44,855
all wells in the houses so when

10291
05:48:51,700 --> 05:48:52,334
you start developing that close

10292
05:48:52,334 --> 05:48:53,202
to our development we will

10293
05:48:53,202 --> 05:48:54,135
start impacting our water

10294
05:48:54,135 --> 05:48:54,737
systems which could cost

10295
05:48:54,737 --> 05:48:55,371
anywhere from $10-$30,000 to

10296
05:48:55,371 --> 05:48:56,672
have a well wheeled we drilled.

10297
05:48:56,672 --> 05:48:56,906
I say do not approve this

10298
05:48:56,906 --> 05:48:57,907
project.

10299
05:48:57,907 --> 05:49:00,907
I am all for development.

10300
05:49:01,176 --> 05:49:03,379
Dear company developed cannibal

10301
05:49:03,379 --> 05:49:04,280
in fairfax and oakton view

10302
05:49:04,280 --> 05:49:05,981
which is more along the lines

10303
05:49:05,981 --> 05:49:06,815
of our occoquan area and so I

10304
05:49:06,815 --> 05:49:08,584
recommend those types of

10305
05:49:08,584 --> 05:49:09,618
projects.

10306
05:49:09,618 --> 05:49:11,618
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10307
05:49:12,788 --> 05:49:14,788
thank you.

10308
05:49:20,295 --> 05:49:21,297
Next speaker, please.

10309
05:49:21,297 --> 05:49:21,796
>> Public Speaker: my name is

10310
05:49:21,796 --> 05:49:22,131
richard welsh,

10311
05:49:22,131 --> 05:49:22,364
occoquan district

10312
05:49:22,364 --> 05:49:24,364
.

10313
05:49:25,434 --> 05:49:27,834
For the barrington oaks

10314
05:49:36,450 --> 05:49:36,745
neighborhood.

10315
05:49:36,745 --> 05:49:37,613
I do want to be too repetitive.

10316
05:49:37,613 --> 05:49:38,447
I want to add my voice or do

10317
05:49:38,447 --> 05:49:41,447
new to deny the application.

10318
05:49:42,184 --> 05:49:43,520
The traffic impacts will be

10319
05:49:43,520 --> 05:49:44,119
horrendous, the environment

10320
05:49:44,119 --> 05:49:46,622
will impact will be horrendous

10321
05:49:46,622 --> 05:49:48,622
.

10322
05:49:50,920 --> 05:49:50,326
And concerned about the aquifer

10323
05:49:50,326 --> 05:49:52,326
levels.

10324
05:49:53,662 --> 05:49:53,862
I don't have to predrill that

10325
05:49:53,862 --> 05:49:55,862
well.

10326
05:49:57,900 --> 05:49:58,567
I shouldn't have to.

10327
05:49:58,567 --> 05:49:59,468
Think this is just too high

10328
05:49:59,468 --> 05:50:01,237
dense of a project

10329
05:50:01,237 --> 05:50:03,237
.

10330
05:50:09,310 --> 05:50:09,812
The density is a requirement

10331
05:50:09,812 --> 05:50:09,879
location to change.

10332
05:50:09,879 --> 05:50:10,880
F

10333
05:50:10,880 --> 05:50:13,880
location changes or stays, the

10334
05:50:15,718 --> 05:50:16,719
density should change.

10335
05:50:16,719 --> 05:50:17,353
I urge you to support smart

10336
05:50:17,353 --> 05:50:18,153
development rather than

10337
05:50:18,153 --> 05:50:18,220
automatic piece by piece

10338
05:50:18,220 --> 05:50:20,220
,

10339
05:50:24,460 --> 05:50:25,461
applicant by applicant

10340
05:50:25,461 --> 05:50:25,661
development and take a holistic

10341
05:50:25,661 --> 05:50:26,462
view.

10342
05:50:26,462 --> 05:50:27,463
And you will come to the

10343
05:50:27,463 --> 05:50:28,300
conclusion this should be

10344
05:50:28,300 --> 05:50:31,300
denied until it is amended

10345
05:50:32,867 --> 05:50:33,869
meaningfully.

10346
05:50:33,869 --> 05:50:35,869
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10347
05:50:38,274 --> 05:50:39,375
next speaker, please.

10348
05:50:39,375 --> 05:50:42,375
>> Public Speaker: can you hear

10349
05:50:44,547 --> 05:50:46,547
me?

10350
05:50:50,818 --> 05:50:51,554
Can you hear me?

10351
05:50:51,554 --> 05:50:52,488
My name is nathan higgins., and

10352
05:50:52,488 --> 05:50:55,157
the occoquan district and I am

10353
05:50:55,157 --> 05:50:55,457
make student charles k cogan

10354
05:50:55,457 --> 05:50:57,457
high school.

10355
05:50:58,928 --> 05:50:59,562
I represent the students.

10356
05:50:59,562 --> 05:51:02,797
What I can tell you is the

10357
05:51:02,797 --> 05:51:05,100
students and teachers all think

10358
05:51:05,100 --> 05:51:08,100
the same pictures too much

10359
05:51:09,705 --> 05:51:12,105
traffic and it's already 40

10360
05:51:14,610 --> 05:51:15,344
percent overcapacity.

10361
05:51:15,344 --> 05:51:16,111
With all the parents I've

10362
05:51:16,111 --> 05:51:18,347
spoken to a lot of people

10363
05:51:18,347 --> 05:51:19,381
bought properties in the area

10364
05:51:19,381 --> 05:51:21,417
specifically to go there and I

10365
05:51:21,417 --> 05:51:23,819
can tell you on top of that

10366
05:51:23,819 --> 05:51:25,454
live in the lost creek.

10367
05:51:25,454 --> 05:51:27,189
Trying to take a left out

10368
05:51:27,189 --> 05:51:28,691
.

10369
05:51:28,691 --> 05:51:30,691
Just turned 18 recently

10370
05:51:33,362 --> 05:51:34,630
.

10371
05:51:34,630 --> 05:51:34,897
It's difficult to take a left

10372
05:51:34,897 --> 05:51:36,732
turn out if I want to go

10373
05:51:36,732 --> 05:51:37,700
anywhere.

10374
05:51:37,700 --> 05:51:38,200
Have to take a right turn in a

10375
05:51:38,200 --> 05:51:40,200
u-turn

10376
05:51:42,700 --> 05:51:42,771
.

10377
05:51:42,771 --> 05:51:46,971
Even when I take a right turn

10378
05:51:47,476 --> 05:51:48,210
it takes for ever.

10379
05:51:48,210 --> 05:51:52,882
For me to get to the school in

10380
05:51:52,882 --> 05:51:53,549
the morning, if you go down

10381
05:51:53,549 --> 05:51:55,885
hoadley and you try to take a

10382
05:51:55,885 --> 05:52:00,850
left to get to cogan in the

10383
05:52:01,857 --> 05:52:02,791
morning it takes about 30

10384
05:52:02,791 --> 05:52:03,292
minutes if you're waiting at

10385
05:52:03,292 --> 05:52:05,292
that light.

10386
05:52:11,901 --> 05:52:12,768
Hoadley can simply not handle

10387
05:52:12,768 --> 05:52:13,802
anymore cars and also as a

10388
05:52:13,802 --> 05:52:14,503
future virginia taxpayer the

10389
05:52:14,503 --> 05:52:18,103
residence I would love to live

10390
05:52:20,750 --> 05:52:20,709
your for the rest of my life, I

10391
05:52:20,709 --> 05:52:21,543
can tell the am extremely

10392
05:52:21,543 --> 05:52:22,177
concerned with the increased

10393
05:52:22,177 --> 05:52:23,120
property taxes that MAY be

10394
05:52:23,120 --> 05:52:24,246
imposed because of this

10395
05:52:24,246 --> 05:52:26,246
development.

10396
05:52:31,554 --> 05:52:32,454
I think, and most people that

10397
05:52:32,454 --> 05:52:33,188
are students who want to live

10398
05:52:33,188 --> 05:52:34,890
here would oppose of this plan

10399
05:52:34,890 --> 05:52:34,323
so therefore I would like to

10400
05:52:34,323 --> 05:52:36,323
vote no.

10401
05:52:42,464 --> 05:52:43,198
We should want our children to

10402
05:52:43,198 --> 05:52:43,599
stay in this area for a longer

10403
05:52:43,599 --> 05:52:44,567
period of time.

10404
05:52:44,567 --> 05:52:45,467
That's what virginia wants is a

10405
05:52:45,467 --> 05:52:45,534
state

10406
05:52:45,534 --> 05:52:46,468
.

10407
05:52:46,468 --> 05:52:49,204
I think this would be a huge

10408
05:52:49,204 --> 05:52:49,905
mistake.

10409
05:52:49,905 --> 05:52:52,774
Received the rest of my time.

10410
05:52:52,774 --> 05:52:53,776
Thank you.

10411
05:52:53,776 --> 05:52:55,776
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10412
05:52:57,880 --> 05:52:58,881
I'm going to move to remote

10413
05:52:58,881 --> 05:53:01,850
part of this public hearing.

10414
05:53:01,850 --> 05:53:02,551
Supervisor bailey?

10415
05:53:02,551 --> 05:53:03,953
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

10416
05:53:03,953 --> 05:53:06,353
we have two people.

10417
05:53:09,910 --> 05:53:09,591
Are you ready?

10418
05:53:09,591 --> 05:53:11,591
>> good evening.

10419
05:53:13,620 --> 05:53:13,562
We have nobody speaking for

10420
05:53:13,562 --> 05:53:14,263
this item tonight.

10421
05:53:14,263 --> 05:53:16,663
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

10422
05:53:17,600 --> 05:53:18,434
okay.

10423
05:53:18,434 --> 05:53:19,602
No one, MADAM Chair.

10424
05:53:19,602 --> 05:53:20,603
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10425
05:53:20,603 --> 05:53:24,203
now going to close the public

10426
05:53:29,278 --> 05:53:29,912
hearing for agenda item 13 day.

10427
05:53:29,912 --> 05:53:30,846
With that I would like to

10428
05:53:30,846 --> 05:53:33,846
applicant restocked if there is

10429
05:53:34,316 --> 05:53:37,316
anything that would respond to.

10430
05:53:37,353 --> 05:53:38,530
Do one question because maple

10431
05:53:38,530 --> 05:53:40,856
valley grove, is that in the

10432
05:53:40,856 --> 05:53:41,557
orpa?

10433
05:53:41,557 --> 05:53:45,157
Can somebody come and say that.

10434
05:53:46,829 --> 05:53:46,929
For the record

10435
05:53:46,929 --> 05:53:48,929
.

10436
05:53:56,380 --> 05:53:56,538
Turn on the microphone.

10437
05:53:56,538 --> 05:53:57,206
>> my name is.

10438
05:53:57,206 --> 05:53:58,274
[Name] And with the applicant.

10439
05:53:58,274 --> 05:53:58,707
This property is not located in

10440
05:53:58,707 --> 05:54:00,420
the orpa.

10441
05:54:00,420 --> 05:54:02,420
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10442
05:54:03,979 --> 05:54:04,613
thank you so very much.

10443
05:54:04,613 --> 05:54:05,447
If there's anything else you

10444
05:54:05,447 --> 05:54:08,447
heard from public hearing that

10445
05:54:09,852 --> 05:54:10,853
you would like to respond to?

10446
05:54:10,853 --> 05:54:11,487
>> I wanted to address the

10447
05:54:11,487 --> 05:54:13,887
gentleman last a comment

10448
05:54:25,401 --> 05:54:25,900
regarding the colgan high

10449
05:54:25,900 --> 05:54:26,902
school concerns.

10450
05:54:26,902 --> 05:54:27,536
The trenton rd., star study has

10451
05:54:27,536 --> 05:54:28,404
taken a look at the entire

10452
05:54:28,404 --> 05:54:29,104
corridor from prince william

10453
05:54:29,104 --> 05:54:29,972
pkwy. All the way to dumfries

10454
05:54:29,972 --> 05:54:30,906
road and that includes the

10455
05:54:30,906 --> 05:54:32,740
dumfries and colgan in the

10456
05:54:32,740 --> 05:54:33,700
section as part of the area we

10457
05:54:33,700 --> 05:54:33,208
are studying for improvement as

10458
05:54:33,208 --> 05:54:34,509
well.

10459
05:54:34,509 --> 05:54:35,770
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10460
05:54:35,770 --> 05:54:37,477
thank you very much.

10461
05:54:37,746 --> 05:54:38,714
Anything else?

10462
05:54:38,714 --> 05:54:39,782
>> I wanted to follow up.

10463
05:54:39,782 --> 05:54:40,816
There were a lot of comments on

10464
05:54:40,816 --> 05:54:41,483
transportation so I thought it

10465
05:54:41,483 --> 05:54:43,719
would be helpful to answer some

10466
05:54:43,719 --> 05:54:44,353
of those.

10467
05:54:44,353 --> 05:54:45,221
For the traffic impact

10468
05:54:45,221 --> 05:54:45,955
analysis, we are required to

10469
05:54:45,955 --> 05:54:48,955
look at future traffic which

10470
05:54:51,860 --> 05:54:52,795
was a two percent growth rate

10471
05:54:52,795 --> 05:54:53,729
per year which matches what the

10472
05:54:53,729 --> 05:54:54,396
county as seen a growth rate in

10473
05:54:54,396 --> 05:54:58,596
this area and it required us to

10474
05:55:02,271 --> 05:55:02,972
look at the full buildout of

10475
05:55:02,972 --> 05:55:04,600
dorrell nor pickett assume the

10476
05:55:04,600 --> 05:55:04,773
full buildout per special use

10477
05:55:04,773 --> 05:55:07,173
permit application but the

10478
05:55:09,310 --> 05:55:09,945
traffic impact analysis is

10479
05:55:09,945 --> 05:55:11,800
reviewed by vdot in prince

10480
05:55:11,800 --> 05:55:12,181
william county transportation

10481
05:55:12,181 --> 05:55:14,581
and ultimately accepted by

10482
05:55:22,291 --> 05:55:22,992
vdot.

10483
05:55:22,992 --> 05:55:23,993
The star study is looking at

10484
05:55:23,993 --> 05:55:24,526
regional improvement and so

10485
05:55:24,526 --> 05:55:25,294
kevin mentioned it again.

10486
05:55:25,294 --> 05:55:26,280
It is from the intersection of

10487
05:55:26,280 --> 05:55:28,898
prince william pkwy. All the

10488
05:55:28,898 --> 05:55:29,864
way down to dumfries and it is

10489
05:55:29,864 --> 05:55:30,666
looking at a long-term solution

10490
05:55:30,666 --> 05:55:32,666
for transportation

10491
05:55:36,710 --> 05:55:36,739
improvements.

10492
05:55:36,739 --> 05:55:37,739
Goes out to 2055 to make sure

10493
05:55:37,739 --> 05:55:38,674
whatever solution is proposed

10494
05:55:38,674 --> 05:55:38,974
that can handle future growth

10495
05:55:38,974 --> 05:55:39,541
in traffic.

10496
05:55:39,541 --> 05:55:40,341
We heard a lot of comments

10497
05:55:40,341 --> 05:55:42,341
regarding transit

10498
05:55:46,382 --> 05:55:47,810
.

10499
05:55:47,810 --> 05:55:47,516
There is an omni ride transit

10500
05:55:47,516 --> 05:55:49,516
hub on galveston.

10501
05:55:52,488 --> 05:55:53,255
That has two routes.

10502
05:55:53,255 --> 05:55:54,923
The first row or one of them is

10503
05:55:54,923 --> 05:55:57,126
the best way to say it, is

10504
05:55:57,126 --> 05:55:57,993
between the stop and commuter

10505
05:55:57,993 --> 05:56:00,129
garage at stonebridge which

10506
05:56:00,129 --> 05:56:03,164
also has stops along the way to

10507
05:56:03,164 --> 05:56:03,399
other commuter park and ride

10508
05:56:03,399 --> 05:56:04,900
lots.

10509
05:56:04,900 --> 05:56:07,900
He other stop goes from

10510
05:56:08,938 --> 05:56:10,973
the site to the vred, the

10511
05:56:10,973 --> 05:56:11,106
woodbridge vre

10512
05:56:11,106 --> 05:56:13,106
.

10513
05:56:16,912 --> 05:56:17,790
That also has stops along the

10514
05:56:17,790 --> 05:56:17,846
way.

10515
05:56:17,846 --> 05:56:18,447
One of the things they wanted

10516
05:56:18,447 --> 05:56:19,348
to make sure was that they

10517
05:56:19,348 --> 05:56:22,348
would still have their transit

10518
05:56:22,418 --> 05:56:26,180
hub and that this project would

10519
05:56:28,390 --> 05:56:29,357
not impact that.

10520
05:56:29,357 --> 05:56:30,590
I also heard comments regarding

10521
05:56:30,590 --> 05:56:30,226
galveston being the only way

10522
05:56:30,226 --> 05:56:31,260
out.

10523
05:56:31,260 --> 05:56:33,662
The applicant is part of the

10524
05:56:33,662 --> 05:56:34,363
impact analysis looked at this.

10525
05:56:34,363 --> 05:56:36,365
That intersection operates at a

10526
05:56:36,365 --> 05:56:40,565
level of service in the A.M.

10527
05:56:46,475 --> 05:56:47,109
And in the P.M. In the future

10528
05:56:47,109 --> 05:56:47,977
without the project on the

10529
05:56:47,977 --> 05:56:49,110
levels of service remain the

10530
05:56:49,110 --> 05:56:49,678
same and in the future with the

10531
05:56:49,678 --> 05:56:50,145
project the levels of service

10532
05:56:50,145 --> 05:56:52,145
remain the same.

10533
05:56:52,815 --> 05:56:53,482
In the event hoadley square is

10534
05:56:53,482 --> 05:56:54,817
approved, there is a street

10535
05:56:54,817 --> 05:56:56,118
grid network and interpersonal

10536
05:56:56,118 --> 05:56:58,518
connectivity that allows for

10537
05:57:03,425 --> 05:57:04,125
access on queens chapel road.

10538
05:57:04,125 --> 05:57:07,125
And there wasn't one more

10539
05:57:07,296 --> 05:57:08,230
wanted to hit as it related to

10540
05:57:08,230 --> 05:57:08,931
stormwater management and

10541
05:57:08,931 --> 05:57:08,997
impacts to the well

10542
05:57:08,997 --> 05:57:10,997
.

10543
05:57:13,369 --> 05:57:14,300
We are not near any wells or

10544
05:57:14,300 --> 05:57:17,300
septic fields but we are

10545
05:57:17,539 --> 05:57:18,240
providing 55 percent open space

10546
05:57:18,240 --> 05:57:19,174
and public water, which would

10547
05:57:19,174 --> 05:57:21,574
allow recharge and removes

10548
05:57:30,753 --> 05:57:31,186
demand on the aquifer

10549
05:57:31,186 --> 05:57:32,154
.

10550
05:57:32,154 --> 05:57:33,122
We also drain north with the

10551
05:57:33,122 --> 05:57:33,789
drainage divide between the

10552
05:57:33,789 --> 05:57:35,157
sites and west of hoadley.

10553
05:57:35,157 --> 05:57:35,824
This wheels are characterized a

10554
05:57:35,824 --> 05:57:36,825
slow infiltration and high

10555
05:57:36,825 --> 05:57:40,425
water table so there would not

10556
05:57:41,162 --> 05:57:41,864
be in the impact of the wells.

10557
05:57:41,864 --> 05:57:42,765
And I think I hit all of them

10558
05:57:42,765 --> 05:57:43,332
but if not I'm sure you will

10559
05:57:43,332 --> 05:57:44,466
ask me question.

10560
05:57:44,466 --> 05:57:45,334
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10561
05:57:45,334 --> 05:57:46,302
I have a quick question.

10562
05:57:46,302 --> 05:57:46,835
You were talking about

10563
05:57:46,835 --> 05:57:47,269
transportation a and b.

10564
05:57:47,269 --> 05:57:48,671
>> I'm sorry?

10565
05:57:48,671 --> 05:57:49,104
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10566
05:57:49,104 --> 05:57:49,371
you are mentioning

10567
05:57:49,371 --> 05:57:51,371
the routes.

10568
05:57:57,646 --> 05:57:58,681
The timetables.

10569
05:57:58,681 --> 05:57:59,415
>> when you do a traffic impact

10570
05:57:59,415 --> 05:58:00,216
analysis you have to look at

10571
05:58:00,216 --> 05:58:02,616
various intersections and you

10572
05:58:02,918 --> 05:58:03,185
look at the levels of service

10573
05:58:03,185 --> 05:58:03,819
.

10574
05:58:03,819 --> 05:58:04,653
Each one of the levels of

10575
05:58:04,653 --> 05:58:05,187
service have a letter grade

10576
05:58:05,187 --> 05:58:05,988
associated with it.

10577
05:58:05,988 --> 05:58:07,988
That is a

10578
05:58:09,224 --> 05:58:12,761
through f. Look at the levels

10579
05:58:12,761 --> 05:58:13,662
of service and it's based on

10580
05:58:13,662 --> 05:58:14,330
how long you at the traffic

10581
05:58:14,330 --> 05:58:16,465
signal waiting so what is that

10582
05:58:16,465 --> 05:58:17,132
timing?

10583
05:58:17,132 --> 05:58:20,732
The goal is the level of

10584
05:58:21,870 --> 05:58:22,838
service remains the same.

10585
05:58:22,838 --> 05:58:23,539
If they degrade to come up as a

10586
05:58:23,539 --> 05:58:25,174
mitigation measure that you

10587
05:58:25,174 --> 05:58:26,175
look to do.

10588
05:58:26,175 --> 05:58:28,575
For the intersection of

10589
05:58:28,577 --> 05:58:31,577
galveston and hoadley road, the

10590
05:58:34,383 --> 05:58:35,117
antique hour period, that

10591
05:58:35,117 --> 05:58:36,385
assumes the worst case scenario

10592
05:58:36,385 --> 05:58:39,385
for traffic is your peak.

10593
05:58:39,488 --> 05:58:42,791
The A.M. Peak is a level of

10594
05:58:42,791 --> 05:58:43,692
service and the P.M. Peak is a

10595
05:58:43,692 --> 05:58:47,292
level of service c and that

10596
05:58:53,636 --> 05:58:54,469
remains the same level of

10597
05:58:54,469 --> 05:58:55,170
service in the future with the

10598
05:58:55,170 --> 05:58:55,671
project and then the future

10599
05:58:55,671 --> 05:58:56,639
without the project.

10600
05:58:56,639 --> 05:58:57,940
We are not degrading the levels

10601
05:58:57,940 --> 05:58:58,274
of service on galveston and

10602
05:58:58,274 --> 05:58:59,108
hoadley road.

10603
05:58:59,108 --> 05:58:59,707
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10604
05:58:59,707 --> 05:59:02,707
thank you so very much.

10605
05:59:03,212 --> 05:59:03,444
Supervisor boddye?

10606
05:59:03,444 --> 05:59:05,444
Hold on.

10607
05:59:08,500 --> 05:59:08,217
Before we go on

10608
05:59:08,217 --> 05:59:08,683
.

10609
05:59:08,683 --> 05:59:09,385
I'm sorry.

10610
05:59:09,385 --> 05:59:12,985
I asked the people while they

10611
05:59:13,550 --> 05:59:13,922
are here please observe decorum

10612
05:59:13,922 --> 05:59:17,159
so that we can continue this

10613
05:59:17,159 --> 05:59:17,860
meeting moving forward.

10614
05:59:17,860 --> 05:59:18,793
>> Kenny Boddye: scott, were

10615
05:59:18,793 --> 05:59:22,993
you going to stand up and say

10616
05:59:24,800 --> 05:59:25,801
something?

10617
05:59:25,801 --> 05:59:26,802
>> I want to point out big

10618
05:59:26,802 --> 05:59:27,436
picture that this is, in the

10619
05:59:27,436 --> 05:59:30,436
comprehensive plan it is a

10620
05:59:32,174 --> 05:59:33,175
suburban tampa development.

10621
05:59:33,175 --> 05:59:33,809
This is not an urbanized

10622
05:59:33,809 --> 05:59:34,810
development pattern.

10623
05:59:34,810 --> 05:59:39,100
Mu3 is kind of in the middle.

10624
05:59:40,182 --> 05:59:40,848
I want to point that out.

10625
05:59:40,848 --> 05:59:41,650
It is a long major corridor.

10626
05:59:41,650 --> 05:59:42,840
We have a course the major

10627
05:59:42,840 --> 05:59:44,840
intersection there

10628
05:59:51,393 --> 05:59:51,994
.

10629
05:59:51,994 --> 05:59:52,928
This is not a t5, t6, t7.

10630
05:59:52,928 --> 05:59:57,128
I just want to point that out.

10631
05:59:59,668 --> 06:00:00,669
they are at the higher density,

10632
06:00:00,669 --> 06:00:01,270
but that is permissible be of

10633
06:00:01,270 --> 06:00:01,837
the comprehensive plan.

10634
06:00:01,837 --> 06:00:02,905
This is very suburban.

10635
06:00:02,905 --> 06:00:03,372
The pattern is a suburban type

10636
06:00:03,372 --> 06:00:05,372
of development.

10637
06:00:06,542 --> 06:00:07,276
What is challenging as you have

10638
06:00:07,276 --> 06:00:08,210
orpa and they have intact trees

10639
06:00:08,210 --> 06:00:11,810
but you have a major shopping

10640
06:00:15,985 --> 06:00:16,852
center and on the other side on

10641
06:00:16,852 --> 06:00:17,553
the south side you have a lot

10642
06:00:17,553 --> 06:00:18,454
of other rooftops and surfaces.

10643
06:00:18,454 --> 06:00:20,656
I want to give the general

10644
06:00:20,656 --> 06:00:21,657
perspective that this is as

10645
06:00:21,657 --> 06:00:24,570
urban suburban type development

10646
06:00:27,620 --> 06:00:28,300
pattern.

10647
06:00:28,300 --> 06:00:28,631
>> Kenny Boddye: if I could

10648
06:00:28,631 --> 06:00:29,565
follow up on that, thank you.

10649
06:00:29,565 --> 06:00:30,299
I don't know if it will be you

10650
06:00:30,299 --> 06:00:32,301
or someone else on the planning

10651
06:00:32,301 --> 06:00:33,680
team, provide this was

10652
06:00:33,680 --> 06:00:35,468
recommended by planning staff

10653
06:00:40,420 --> 06:00:40,542
to be in the comp plan.

10654
06:00:40,542 --> 06:00:42,542
>> good evening.

10655
06:00:46,916 --> 06:00:47,983
David from the planning office.

10656
06:00:47,983 --> 06:00:48,550
This is an opportunity with the

10657
06:00:48,550 --> 06:00:50,950
retail shopping center to

10658
06:00:53,880 --> 06:00:53,956
create a mixed use community.

10659
06:00:53,956 --> 06:00:56,356
The mu3 provides that.

10660
06:00:58,561 --> 06:00:58,627
It is not high density

10661
06:00:58,627 --> 06:01:00,627
.

10662
06:01:02,197 --> 06:01:04,597
It's a medium density.

10663
06:01:07,436 --> 06:01:08,103
Loser opportunities to provide

10664
06:01:08,103 --> 06:01:09,400
mixed-use walkable communities

10665
06:01:09,400 --> 06:01:09,104
with a mix of uses

10666
06:01:09,104 --> 06:01:09,772
.

10667
06:01:09,772 --> 06:01:12,772
The retail is lacking the

10668
06:01:16,812 --> 06:01:17,120
housing to support the retail

10669
06:01:17,120 --> 06:01:17,947
.

10670
06:01:17,947 --> 06:01:18,647
We need to develop these types

10671
06:01:18,647 --> 06:01:20,516
of places so that people can

10672
06:01:20,516 --> 06:01:23,852
live near where they work and

10673
06:01:23,852 --> 06:01:25,521
shop.

10674
06:01:25,521 --> 06:01:29,121
Also, the transit is they are

10675
06:01:30,825 --> 06:01:31,960
.

10676
06:01:31,960 --> 06:01:32,561
In the comprehensive plan when

10677
06:01:32,561 --> 06:01:33,495
we aligned the transect, in

10678
06:01:33,495 --> 06:01:35,264
this case it is a transect

10679
06:01:35,264 --> 06:01:36,532
three with the type of transit

10680
06:01:36,532 --> 06:01:39,532
available to that served by

10681
06:01:50,246 --> 06:01:51,146
that when you need transit

10682
06:01:51,146 --> 06:01:52,810
support identities as well in

10683
06:01:52,810 --> 06:01:52,314
order for transit to be

10684
06:01:52,314 --> 06:01:53,820
working.

10685
06:01:53,820 --> 06:01:53,349
Hopefully that answers your

10686
06:01:53,349 --> 06:01:54,183
question.

10687
06:01:54,183 --> 06:01:55,840
>> Kenny Boddye: it does.

10688
06:01:55,840 --> 06:01:55,284
Into quick ones if you don't

10689
06:01:55,284 --> 06:01:57,284
mind.

10690
06:01:58,320 --> 06:01:59,540
Thank you for that.

10691
06:01:59,540 --> 06:01:59,989
I appreciate your context to

10692
06:01:59,989 --> 06:02:02,570
their grounding us and what mu3

10693
06:02:02,570 --> 06:02:02,624
looks like and not being a

10694
06:02:02,624 --> 06:02:04,624
suburban type place.

10695
06:02:05,828 --> 06:02:06,728
Can you talk about this being

10696
06:02:06,728 --> 06:02:09,431
on the edge of the government

10697
06:02:09,431 --> 06:02:11,431
center activity center.

10698
06:02:13,369 --> 06:02:14,235
And this obviously didn't

10699
06:02:14,235 --> 06:02:14,904
happen when you recommended

10700
06:02:14,904 --> 06:02:18,339
this but now that we have a

10701
06:02:18,339 --> 06:02:19,208
master space master plan for

10702
06:02:19,208 --> 06:02:20,109
the government center, how did

10703
06:02:20,109 --> 06:02:23,709
those in her play with each

10704
06:02:26,215 --> 06:02:26,948
other.

10705
06:02:26,948 --> 06:02:27,349
>> again we want to live near

10706
06:02:27,349 --> 06:02:28,217
where we work.

10707
06:02:28,217 --> 06:02:30,617
Also, the opportunity for

10708
06:02:30,685 --> 06:02:31,520
affordable housing in the

10709
06:02:31,520 --> 06:02:34,520
location and the like tech

10710
06:02:42,970 --> 06:02:42,998
development is essential to

10711
06:02:42,998 --> 06:02:44,132
providing not only the housing

10712
06:02:44,132 --> 06:02:44,733
that the people who work in the

10713
06:02:44,733 --> 06:02:45,501
area can afford, but that is

10714
06:02:45,501 --> 06:02:46,302
going to be near where they

10715
06:02:46,302 --> 06:02:47,303
work.

10716
06:02:47,303 --> 06:02:48,300
With the development of an

10717
06:02:48,300 --> 06:02:50,403
increase in the government

10718
06:02:54,944 --> 06:02:55,611
center in the jobs in that

10719
06:02:55,611 --> 06:02:56,445
area, there is a need for

10720
06:02:56,445 --> 06:02:58,845
additional housing nearby to

10721
06:03:03,752 --> 06:03:04,787
support that workforce.

10722
06:03:04,787 --> 06:03:05,354
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10723
06:03:05,354 --> 06:03:07,523
thank you very much.

10724
06:03:07,523 --> 06:03:08,230
I don't see anyone else.

10725
06:03:08,230 --> 06:03:08,757
Supervisor boddye.

10726
06:03:08,757 --> 06:03:11,157
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you've

10727
06:03:12,528 --> 06:03:13,195
met him to.

10728
06:03:13,195 --> 06:03:14,960
I'm not going to go on too long

10729
06:03:14,960 --> 06:03:15,497
before I make the motion but I

10730
06:03:15,497 --> 06:03:16,980
wanted to thank everyone in the

10731
06:03:16,980 --> 06:03:16,365
community who came out today

10732
06:03:16,365 --> 06:03:16,999
.

10733
06:03:16,999 --> 06:03:19,999
Obviously a lot of folks

10734
06:03:24,539 --> 06:03:26,475
concerned

10735
06:03:26,475 --> 06:03:27,443
.

10736
06:03:27,443 --> 06:03:28,100
You live off of purcell, you

10737
06:03:28,100 --> 06:03:28,911
live right near where the

10738
06:03:28,911 --> 06:03:29,111
property lines are for the

10739
06:03:29,111 --> 06:03:29,812
site.

10740
06:03:29,812 --> 06:03:30,546
I hear you traffic in the area

10741
06:03:30,546 --> 06:03:32,470
can be challenging given some

10742
06:03:32,470 --> 06:03:35,647
of the unique uses such as

10743
06:03:35,851 --> 06:03:38,251
darnell norberg between the

10744
06:03:38,888 --> 06:03:41,490
star study we are looking to

10745
06:03:41,490 --> 06:03:45,900
address a lot of the concerns

10746
06:03:48,230 --> 06:03:49,265
.

10747
06:03:49,265 --> 06:03:49,865
When they put the projects they

10748
06:03:49,865 --> 06:03:51,800
don't rise out of the ground

10749
06:03:51,800 --> 06:03:52,434
immediately built it takes time

10750
06:03:52,434 --> 06:03:53,302
to build a projects and all the

10751
06:03:53,302 --> 06:03:56,302
other things which gives us

10752
06:03:56,538 --> 06:03:57,706
time to work with vdot and the

10753
06:03:57,706 --> 06:03:59,108
transportation department.

10754
06:03:59,108 --> 06:04:01,108
That it said

10755
06:04:02,544 --> 06:04:05,544
, I want to move we

10756
06:04:06,181 --> 06:04:07,249
do 13 a for approval.

10757
06:04:07,249 --> 06:04:09,249
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10758
06:04:12,787 --> 06:04:13,455
motion improperly seconded.

10759
06:04:13,455 --> 06:04:14,189
Supervisor boddye.

10760
06:04:14,189 --> 06:04:14,857
>> Kenny Boddye: here concerns

10761
06:04:14,857 --> 06:04:15,524
about traffic in schools and

10762
06:04:15,524 --> 06:04:17,924
the pace of change.

10763
06:04:23,699 --> 06:04:24,567
Growth pressures a real and the

10764
06:04:24,567 --> 06:04:25,133
choices and growth versus no

10765
06:04:25,133 --> 06:04:25,768
growth.

10766
06:04:25,768 --> 06:04:26,569
Can be coordinated with

10767
06:04:26,569 --> 06:04:27,303
transmission services jobs or

10768
06:04:27,303 --> 06:04:28,700
whether we push it outwards and

10769
06:04:28,700 --> 06:04:29,171
of our middle impact

10770
06:04:29,171 --> 06:04:29,872
countywide.

10771
06:04:29,872 --> 06:04:32,675
For the folks following the

10772
06:04:32,675 --> 06:04:33,642
comp plan as it involved they

10773
06:04:33,642 --> 06:04:36,642
were originally was supposed to

10774
06:04:37,478 --> 06:04:39,481
be a proposed just north a

10775
06:04:39,481 --> 06:04:40,481
bacon race.

10776
06:04:40,481 --> 06:04:44,810
Advocated for that to be taken

10777
06:04:45,720 --> 06:04:46,689
out there is also a proposal in

10778
06:04:46,689 --> 06:04:47,456
a request to have the delaney

10779
06:04:47,456 --> 06:04:47,723
track up zoned

10780
06:04:47,723 --> 06:04:48,424
.

10781
06:04:48,424 --> 06:04:49,491
i fought against that that was

10782
06:04:49,491 --> 06:04:51,491
down soon.

10783
06:04:54,496 --> 06:04:55,197
To me this is a culmination

10784
06:04:55,197 --> 06:04:55,998
pushing everything to where it

10785
06:04:55,998 --> 06:04:56,632
belongs which is near the

10786
06:04:56,632 --> 06:04:57,499
shopping center, near the

10787
06:04:57,499 --> 06:04:58,968
government center, near the

10788
06:04:58,968 --> 06:04:59,167
implement centers

10789
06:04:59,167 --> 06:05:00,135
.

10790
06:05:00,135 --> 06:05:02,805
One of my constituents talked

10791
06:05:02,805 --> 06:05:04,805
about first responders.

10792
06:05:09,110 --> 06:05:10,120
There is a public safety center

10793
06:05:10,120 --> 06:05:10,246
north of davis ford road in the

10794
06:05:10,246 --> 06:05:11,180
parkway.

10795
06:05:11,180 --> 06:05:14,780
That would be expanded with the

10796
06:05:14,817 --> 06:05:15,851
county master plan.

10797
06:05:15,851 --> 06:05:18,851
We had a robust conversation

10798
06:05:21,590 --> 06:05:22,258
about that last week.

10799
06:05:22,258 --> 06:05:22,791
If you did not tune then I

10800
06:05:22,791 --> 06:05:23,626
invite you to do so.

10801
06:05:23,626 --> 06:05:26,328
Over the next 20 years the

10802
06:05:26,328 --> 06:05:27,129
government center will be built

10803
06:05:27,129 --> 06:05:27,796
out in a modern robust

10804
06:05:27,796 --> 06:05:30,196
employment center which will

10805
06:05:33,903 --> 06:05:34,803
host double digits dozens of

10806
06:05:34,803 --> 06:05:35,738
county agencies that would be

10807
06:05:35,738 --> 06:05:37,873
hundreds of employees those

10808
06:05:37,873 --> 06:05:38,720
people will need the places to

10809
06:05:38,720 --> 06:05:38,540
live.

10810
06:05:38,540 --> 06:05:39,375
O me this is where this

10811
06:05:39,375 --> 06:05:42,375
goes because no matter whether

10812
06:05:42,745 --> 06:05:43,846
you are a social worker, a

10813
06:05:43,846 --> 06:05:44,880
planner, environment, teacher

10814
06:05:44,880 --> 06:05:46,448
corps you work in the shopping

10815
06:05:46,448 --> 06:05:48,182
center

10816
06:05:48,182 --> 06:05:48,817
, he doesn't have a place

10817
06:05:48,817 --> 06:05:49,852
to live close to where you

10818
06:05:49,852 --> 06:05:50,853
work.

10819
06:05:50,853 --> 06:05:51,860
So for those reasons I support

10820
06:05:51,860 --> 06:05:53,860
this

10821
06:05:53,656 --> 06:05:54,623
.

10822
06:05:54,623 --> 06:05:55,257
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10823
06:05:55,257 --> 06:05:57,257
all right.

10824
06:06:01,300 --> 06:06:01,997
Hold on.

10825
06:06:01,997 --> 06:06:04,934
I have never had to clear board

10826
06:06:04,934 --> 06:06:05,199
chambers.

10827
06:06:05,199 --> 06:06:06,902
All right.

10828
06:06:06,902 --> 06:06:08,704
I'm going to say this.

10829
06:06:08,704 --> 06:06:08,937
We can disagree

10830
06:06:08,937 --> 06:06:10,937
.

10831
06:06:20,749 --> 06:06:21,450
we have had a law of

10832
06:06:21,450 --> 06:06:21,917
disagreement.

10833
06:06:21,917 --> 06:06:22,751
We have had a lot of

10834
06:06:22,751 --> 06:06:23,385
disagreements over this board,

10835
06:06:23,385 --> 06:06:24,253
but I do not want outbursts.

10836
06:06:24,253 --> 06:06:24,687
I want people to be able to

10837
06:06:24,687 --> 06:06:25,321
speak.

10838
06:06:25,321 --> 06:06:28,921
I want people to have their

10839
06:06:34,997 --> 06:06:36,165
comments

10840
06:06:36,165 --> 06:06:36,398
, but I also want

10841
06:06:36,398 --> 06:06:37,299
respect.

10842
06:06:37,299 --> 06:06:38,132
For some of the frequent flyers

10843
06:06:38,132 --> 06:06:38,400
who come to a lot of these

10844
06:06:38,400 --> 06:06:39,201
meetings.

10845
06:06:39,201 --> 06:06:39,401
I see doctor jack shaking his

10846
06:06:39,401 --> 06:06:40,336
head.

10847
06:06:40,336 --> 06:06:40,769
We don't agree on everything,

10848
06:06:40,769 --> 06:06:42,769
we listen.

10849
06:06:43,872 --> 06:06:44,240
Going to ask there be more no

10850
06:06:44,240 --> 06:06:46,240
more outbursts.

10851
06:06:46,508 --> 06:06:47,475
I know tensions are high, but

10852
06:06:47,475 --> 06:06:48,177
I'm going to respectfully ask

10853
06:06:48,177 --> 06:06:51,177
that there be no outbursts.

10854
06:06:51,480 --> 06:06:55,680
If there is I will clear out

10855
06:06:56,552 --> 06:06:57,860
the chambers

10856
06:06:57,860 --> 06:06:57,753
.

10857
06:06:57,753 --> 06:06:58,153
I don't want to have to do

10858
06:06:58,153 --> 06:06:58,821
that.

10859
06:06:58,821 --> 06:06:59,722
I've never done that before and

10860
06:06:59,722 --> 06:07:00,756
I really don't want to have a

10861
06:07:00,756 --> 06:07:01,624
first time for everything.

10862
06:07:01,624 --> 06:07:05,224
So I'm asking for everyone who

10863
06:07:05,861 --> 06:07:06,795
is here to please adhere to the

10864
06:07:06,795 --> 06:07:09,795
decorum we established in the

10865
06:07:14,350 --> 06:07:14,570
board room.

10866
06:07:14,570 --> 06:07:15,371
Supervisor vega?

10867
06:07:15,371 --> 06:07:16,105
>> Yesli Vega: first off I want

10868
06:07:16,105 --> 06:07:16,372
to thank the citizens who

10869
06:07:16,372 --> 06:07:18,372
showed up.

10870
06:07:19,408 --> 06:07:20,242
I noticed a law of coles

10871
06:07:20,242 --> 06:07:21,577
residence redistricting did

10872
06:07:21,577 --> 06:07:22,578
happen at one point.

10873
06:07:22,578 --> 06:07:26,480
The proposals on the agenda for

10874
06:07:26,480 --> 06:07:28,350
tonight were in fact in the

10875
06:07:28,350 --> 06:07:31,950
district so I know the concerns

10876
06:07:33,522 --> 06:07:34,523
we raised are not just tonight

10877
06:07:34,523 --> 06:07:34,723
but over the course last for

10878
06:07:34,723 --> 06:07:36,723
years.

10879
06:07:38,761 --> 06:07:39,695
Want to think county staff for

10880
06:07:39,695 --> 06:07:40,729
all of their work for the

10881
06:07:40,729 --> 06:07:41,664
applicant as well for making

10882
06:07:41,664 --> 06:07:42,264
themselves available to any

10883
06:07:42,264 --> 06:07:43,165
questions I did have.

10884
06:07:43,165 --> 06:07:46,168
The reality is I understand the

10885
06:07:46,168 --> 06:07:47,102
frustration.

10886
06:07:47,102 --> 06:07:48,103
A sound like a broken record

10887
06:07:48,103 --> 06:07:51,703
saying we continue to put the

10888
06:07:51,941 --> 06:07:52,975
cart before the horse we

10889
06:07:52,975 --> 06:07:53,542
continue to approve projects

10890
06:07:53,542 --> 06:07:55,942
what we have lagging

10891
06:07:57,346 --> 06:07:58,581
infrastructure and in some

10892
06:07:58,581 --> 06:07:59,114
cases we MAY even argue its

10893
06:07:59,114 --> 06:08:00,449
crumbling infrastructure.

10894
06:08:00,449 --> 06:08:01,317
We keep talking about studies

10895
06:08:01,317 --> 06:08:04,519
in 20 years from now, but the

10896
06:08:04,519 --> 06:08:05,254
reality is the things we are

10897
06:08:05,254 --> 06:08:08,854
approving now are only going to

10898
06:08:15,898 --> 06:08:16,665
make the challenges we face

10899
06:08:16,665 --> 06:08:17,433
here today much greater.

10900
06:08:17,433 --> 06:08:18,267
Want to make sure nobody leaves

10901
06:08:18,267 --> 06:08:19,340
chambers feeling like their

10902
06:08:19,340 --> 06:08:19,535
concerns aren't valid, because

10903
06:08:19,535 --> 06:08:21,535
they absolutely are.

10904
06:08:25,441 --> 06:08:27,900
I commend the young man who

10905
06:08:27,900 --> 06:08:28,430
cannot hear and spoke.

10906
06:08:28,430 --> 06:08:29,111
We need invoices to continue to

10907
06:08:29,111 --> 06:08:29,845
do the thing you did here today

10908
06:08:29,845 --> 06:08:30,846
because education is a very

10909
06:08:30,846 --> 06:08:32,114
powerful tool in the more you

10910
06:08:32,114 --> 06:08:32,848
know about what is happening in

10911
06:08:32,848 --> 06:08:33,549
your community, the more

10912
06:08:33,549 --> 06:08:33,983
impactful and viable your

10913
06:08:33,983 --> 06:08:34,850
change will be.

10914
06:08:34,850 --> 06:08:37,419
I commend you for being here

10915
06:08:37,419 --> 06:08:38,520
tonight and I encourage you to

10916
06:08:38,520 --> 06:08:41,520
not be discouraged and continue

10917
06:08:43,791 --> 06:08:44,526
to stay engaged.

10918
06:08:44,526 --> 06:08:45,761
For those who MAY feel the vote

10919
06:08:45,761 --> 06:08:47,290
is not going to go their way, I

10920
06:08:47,290 --> 06:08:47,830
continue to ask you to stay

10921
06:08:47,830 --> 06:08:48,300
engaged because that's what we

10922
06:08:48,300 --> 06:08:50,300
need.

10923
06:08:57,172 --> 06:08:58,140
We need lines of communications

10924
06:08:58,140 --> 06:08:58,340
and they are always going to be

10925
06:08:58,340 --> 06:08:59,174
open.

10926
06:08:59,174 --> 06:08:59,507
I will echo with the chair said

10927
06:08:59,507 --> 06:09:01,507
about decorum.

10928
06:09:01,577 --> 06:09:02,311
We MAY agree to disagree, but

10929
06:09:02,311 --> 06:09:03,212
at the end of the day respect

10930
06:09:03,212 --> 06:09:03,913
carries the way and so without

10931
06:09:03,913 --> 06:09:05,470
the of our middle concerns have

10932
06:09:05,470 --> 06:09:06,782
been raised

10933
06:09:06,782 --> 06:09:08,183
, the additional

10934
06:09:08,183 --> 06:09:08,784
strains on schools within

10935
06:09:08,784 --> 06:09:09,818
rates, additional concerns

10936
06:09:09,818 --> 06:09:10,686
about traffic have been raised.

10937
06:09:10,686 --> 06:09:14,690
I do want it drag this out but

10938
06:09:14,690 --> 06:09:15,424
they are valid concerns this

10939
06:09:15,424 --> 06:09:16,392
board has to look closely as we

10940
06:09:16,392 --> 06:09:19,392
move forward and continue to

10941
06:09:30,139 --> 06:09:30,806
approve these projects and ask

10942
06:09:30,806 --> 06:09:31,473
ourselves are really making

10943
06:09:31,473 --> 06:09:32,541
communities better or are we

10944
06:09:32,541 --> 06:09:34,577
just giving him explanations,

10945
06:09:34,577 --> 06:09:35,110
long explanations trying to

10946
06:09:35,110 --> 06:09:35,811
justify our votes.

10947
06:09:35,811 --> 06:09:36,679
I think the county residents

10948
06:09:36,679 --> 06:09:37,846
are very knowledgeable.

10949
06:09:37,846 --> 06:09:38,447
And they are tired of it and at

10950
06:09:38,447 --> 06:09:39,481
some point we have to start

10951
06:09:39,481 --> 06:09:41,481
doing things differently.

10952
06:09:44,153 --> 06:09:46,210
And so I will not be supporting

10953
06:09:46,210 --> 06:09:46,522
this application tonight for

10954
06:09:46,522 --> 06:09:47,890
the concerns raised the

10955
06:09:47,890 --> 06:09:47,690
planning commission hearing.

10956
06:09:47,690 --> 06:09:48,290
Some concerns haven't been

10957
06:09:48,290 --> 06:09:50,690
addressed about I understand

10958
06:09:54,630 --> 06:09:55,640
county staff is recommending

10959
06:09:55,640 --> 06:09:56,799
approval, but I take issue with

10960
06:09:56,799 --> 06:09:57,433
that because they've raised a

10961
06:09:57,433 --> 06:09:58,133
lot of concerns and things they

10962
06:09:58,133 --> 06:09:58,701
are not happy yet with, yet we

10963
06:09:58,701 --> 06:09:59,201
are recommending another

10964
06:09:59,201 --> 06:10:01,201
project forward.

10965
06:10:01,437 --> 06:10:02,204
I want to be very clear with

10966
06:10:02,204 --> 06:10:02,838
the time I have left.

10967
06:10:02,838 --> 06:10:05,838
We keep hearing folks being

10968
06:10:10,346 --> 06:10:11,180
opposed to projects in the

10969
06:10:11,180 --> 06:10:11,447
current form they are being

10970
06:10:11,447 --> 06:10:12,181
presented.

10971
06:10:12,181 --> 06:10:14,183
Not being opposed to

10972
06:10:14,183 --> 06:10:15,184
development, which is a clear

10973
06:10:15,184 --> 06:10:15,985
distinction that needs to be

10974
06:10:15,985 --> 06:10:16,551
made.

10975
06:10:16,551 --> 06:10:17,318
People are not opposed to

10976
06:10:17,318 --> 06:10:17,953
growth, people are not opposed

10977
06:10:17,953 --> 06:10:18,820
to development.

10978
06:10:18,820 --> 06:10:20,723
What people are opposed to get

10979
06:10:20,723 --> 06:10:21,690
frustrated with time and time

10980
06:10:21,690 --> 06:10:22,224
again as we have proposals

10981
06:10:22,224 --> 06:10:24,624
being brought before the

10982
06:10:39,909 --> 06:10:40,976
governing body that can without

10983
06:10:40,976 --> 06:10:41,610
a shadow of a doubt be made

10984
06:10:41,610 --> 06:10:41,877
better and that is not

10985
06:10:41,877 --> 06:10:42,711
happening.

10986
06:10:42,711 --> 06:10:43,612
I don't think that is a fair

10987
06:10:43,612 --> 06:10:44,612
request our constituents are

10988
06:10:44,612 --> 06:10:45,281
demanding of their elected

10989
06:10:45,281 --> 06:10:46,248
representatives and I hope we

10990
06:10:46,248 --> 06:10:47,248
can do better by the wishes of

10991
06:10:47,248 --> 06:10:47,950
the people who elected us and

10992
06:10:47,950 --> 06:10:49,117
put us in the seats.

10993
06:10:49,117 --> 06:10:49,618
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

10994
06:10:49,618 --> 06:10:50,119
supervisor bailey.

10995
06:10:50,119 --> 06:10:50,352
>> Andrea Bailey,

10996
06:10:50,352 --> 06:10:50,985
Vice Chair:

10997
06:10:50,985 --> 06:10:51,754
thank you MADAM Chair.

10998
06:10:51,754 --> 06:10:52,521
I want to thank the citizens

10999
06:10:52,521 --> 06:10:52,955
that came out tonight.

11000
06:10:52,955 --> 06:10:53,756
That shows you care.

11001
06:10:53,756 --> 06:10:54,957
I got distracted on I apologize

11002
06:10:54,957 --> 06:10:59,157
to you because I am proud of

11003
06:11:00,129 --> 06:11:00,996
the young man in his dapper

11004
06:11:00,996 --> 06:11:01,897
suit with his curly hair.

11005
06:11:01,897 --> 06:11:04,297
His book extremely eloquent

11006
06:11:05,367 --> 06:11:06,335
about how he felt about the

11007
06:11:06,335 --> 06:11:06,535
community and I commend you for

11008
06:11:06,535 --> 06:11:06,869
that.

11009
06:11:06,869 --> 06:11:09,269
I have a son.

11010
06:11:13,142 --> 06:11:14,430
Much older than you.

11011
06:11:14,430 --> 06:11:14,877
I am proud of you as he speaks

11012
06:11:14,877 --> 06:11:16,612
over his community as well.

11013
06:11:16,612 --> 06:11:17,646
You need to continue to do that

11014
06:11:17,646 --> 06:11:18,247
and you are an example of what

11015
06:11:18,247 --> 06:11:22,447
we are trying to do on this

11016
06:11:25,354 --> 06:11:26,154
dais we want you to come back

11017
06:11:26,154 --> 06:11:26,388
and live here want to go to

11018
06:11:26,388 --> 06:11:27,255
college.

11019
06:11:27,255 --> 06:11:28,891
We want you to come back here

11020
06:11:28,891 --> 06:11:29,123
and work here once you finish

11021
06:11:29,123 --> 06:11:29,758
college.

11022
06:11:29,758 --> 06:11:30,826
We want you here because this

11023
06:11:30,826 --> 06:11:32,826
is your community.

11024
06:11:33,162 --> 06:11:37,362
The lot of the things we deal

11025
06:11:37,933 --> 06:11:39,535
with on this dais are very old

11026
06:11:39,535 --> 06:11:40,350
.

11027
06:11:40,350 --> 06:11:40,970
20, 30 years old.

11028
06:11:40,970 --> 06:11:42,971
I'm speaking to you because I

11029
06:11:42,971 --> 06:11:43,705
want you to understand that.

11030
06:11:43,705 --> 06:11:47,305
Part of what is happening and

11031
06:11:48,777 --> 06:11:49,812
when we make these decisions,

11032
06:11:49,812 --> 06:11:50,812
sometimes favorable, sometimes

11033
06:11:50,812 --> 06:11:53,812
not so favorable is education.

11034
06:11:57,419 --> 06:11:57,953
We need to educate the

11035
06:11:57,953 --> 06:11:58,888
community and bring the

11036
06:11:58,888 --> 06:11:59,154
community along with what we

11037
06:11:59,154 --> 06:12:01,154
are doing.

11038
06:12:10,566 --> 06:12:10,933
That has not been done in a

11039
06:12:10,933 --> 06:12:11,567
very long time.

11040
06:12:11,567 --> 06:12:12,533
Having you stand at the podium

11041
06:12:12,533 --> 06:12:13,369
voice your opinion is critical

11042
06:12:13,369 --> 06:12:14,300
because you are engaging.

11043
06:12:14,300 --> 06:12:14,536
You are engaging in what is

11044
06:12:14,536 --> 06:12:16,936
going on right now.

11045
06:12:23,378 --> 06:12:24,380
You can speak about a 20 or 30

11046
06:12:24,380 --> 06:12:25,147
years from now and you can give

11047
06:12:25,147 --> 06:12:25,915
the history about it.

11048
06:12:25,915 --> 06:12:26,649
We had to inherit the history.

11049
06:12:26,649 --> 06:12:26,982
And so with that I want to

11050
06:12:26,982 --> 06:12:27,783
say

11051
06:12:27,783 --> 06:12:28,784
education continually in the

11052
06:12:28,784 --> 06:12:29,518
wonderful place called prince

11053
06:12:29,518 --> 06:12:29,785
william county is so important

11054
06:12:29,785 --> 06:12:30,786
.

11055
06:12:30,786 --> 06:12:31,860
People want to live, work and

11056
06:12:31,860 --> 06:12:31,420
play here.

11057
06:12:31,420 --> 06:12:32,353
They want to.

11058
06:12:32,353 --> 06:12:35,353
Military people want to stay

11059
06:12:38,527 --> 06:12:38,928
here once they retire whatever

11060
06:12:38,928 --> 06:12:39,962
that looks like.

11061
06:12:39,962 --> 06:12:42,364
How do we make it better.

11062
06:12:42,364 --> 06:12:42,798
And we need to collaborate to

11063
06:12:42,798 --> 06:12:43,499
make it better.

11064
06:12:43,499 --> 06:12:47,699
The other thing I want to say

11065
06:12:48,690 --> 06:12:49,710
is today staff and developer

11066
06:12:49,710 --> 06:12:51,471
working through this project,

11067
06:12:52,841 --> 06:12:56,441
you work really hard making it

11068
06:13:00,820 --> 06:13:01,830
the best that you could.

11069
06:13:01,830 --> 06:13:01,350
It's not about giving into the

11070
06:13:01,350 --> 06:13:03,350
developer.

11071
06:13:05,521 --> 06:13:06,522
It is about how can we have

11072
06:13:06,522 --> 06:13:09,522
policies and procedures we have

11073
06:13:09,592 --> 06:13:11,560
to live with and work with and

11074
06:13:11,560 --> 06:13:11,626
make a good for the citizens

11075
06:13:11,626 --> 06:13:13,626
.

11076
06:13:15,970 --> 06:13:18,335
Again, I'm proud of you because

11077
06:13:18,335 --> 06:13:19,201
you are an example of what

11078
06:13:19,201 --> 06:13:20,803
should have been done 20 or 30

11079
06:13:20,803 --> 06:13:22,504
years ago.

11080
06:13:22,504 --> 06:13:23,605
To the citizens

11081
06:13:23,605 --> 06:13:24,373
, thank you for

11082
06:13:24,373 --> 06:13:26,373
your voices

11083
06:13:27,743 --> 06:13:28,510
.

11084
06:13:28,510 --> 06:13:31,510
Thank you for saying exactly

11085
06:13:37,186 --> 06:13:37,920
how you felt about it.

11086
06:13:37,920 --> 06:13:38,920
I would ask you, help us work

11087
06:13:38,920 --> 06:13:41,920
together to educate each other.

11088
06:13:47,963 --> 06:13:48,864
There is a lot of history that

11089
06:13:48,864 --> 06:13:49,231
we are dealing that is old, old

11090
06:13:49,231 --> 06:13:49,865
infrastructure.

11091
06:13:49,865 --> 06:13:50,599
A lot of old stuff.

11092
06:13:50,599 --> 06:13:51,567
And doctor jack, you know that

11093
06:13:51,567 --> 06:13:52,468
big thank you for coming out

11094
06:13:52,468 --> 06:13:53,369
tonight to thank you for the

11095
06:13:53,369 --> 06:13:53,569
developer worked with the

11096
06:13:53,569 --> 06:13:53,902
staff.

11097
06:13:53,902 --> 06:13:54,169
Long hours.

11098
06:13:54,169 --> 06:13:55,300
Ust thank you.

11099
06:13:55,300 --> 06:13:56,472
I will be supporting this

11100
06:13:56,472 --> 06:13:59,441
because we need housing and we

11101
06:13:59,441 --> 06:14:01,841
can't get around that.

11102
06:14:08,684 --> 06:14:09,285
We need you to explain to us

11103
06:14:09,285 --> 06:14:10,520
what does that look like.

11104
06:14:10,520 --> 06:14:10,786
But it has to happen.

11105
06:14:10,786 --> 06:14:11,787
Doctor jack, you know that.

11106
06:14:11,787 --> 06:14:14,857
Thank you MADAM Chair for this

11107
06:14:14,857 --> 06:14:15,724
moment.

11108
06:14:15,724 --> 06:14:16,292
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

11109
06:14:16,292 --> 06:14:18,292
supervisor stewart?

11110
06:14:23,299 --> 06:14:23,966
>> George Stewart: look, I

11111
06:14:23,966 --> 06:14:25,501
support everything everybody

11112
06:14:25,501 --> 06:14:27,501
has said appeared.

11113
06:14:28,504 --> 06:14:30,339
Especially supervisor vega and

11114
06:14:30,339 --> 06:14:32,339
even supervisor bailey.

11115
06:14:37,212 --> 06:14:37,713
And also supervisor boddye.

11116
06:14:37,713 --> 06:14:38,647
We do need housing.

11117
06:14:38,647 --> 06:14:39,181
We do need housing close to

11118
06:14:39,181 --> 06:14:41,181
where people live.

11119
06:14:42,351 --> 06:14:44,653
But this project is not ready

11120
06:14:44,653 --> 06:14:46,653
for prime time.

11121
06:14:48,757 --> 06:14:50,757
50 foot buffer fail,

11122
06:14:52,895 --> 06:14:54,895
environmental concerns fail.

11123
06:15:01,170 --> 06:15:03,170
School concerns fail.

11124
06:15:07,942 --> 06:15:08,877
Those are things that need to

11125
06:15:08,877 --> 06:15:09,311
be fixed and you came here not

11126
06:15:09,311 --> 06:15:11,311
ready.

11127
06:15:15,284 --> 06:15:15,985
You came you not ready.

11128
06:15:15,985 --> 06:15:18,985
I also agree with supervisor

11129
06:15:20,990 --> 06:15:21,724
boddye that we do need places

11130
06:15:21,724 --> 06:15:24,660
close to where people live,

11131
06:15:24,660 --> 06:15:26,660
work and play.

11132
06:15:27,997 --> 06:15:30,165
In places more so that they can

11133
06:15:30,165 --> 06:15:31,200
afford

11134
06:15:31,200 --> 06:15:31,900
.

11135
06:15:31,900 --> 06:15:32,801
Affordability is a problem in

11136
06:15:32,801 --> 06:15:34,801
the county.

11137
06:15:35,938 --> 06:15:37,573
MR. Higgins, I appreciate you

11138
06:15:37,573 --> 06:15:39,573
being here.

11139
06:15:41,944 --> 06:15:44,680
I was you 40 years ago.

11140
06:15:44,680 --> 06:15:46,680
Well, not yet.

11141
06:15:47,950 --> 06:15:48,617
But exactly 40.

11142
06:15:48,617 --> 06:15:52,688
At your age I was coming to

11143
06:15:52,688 --> 06:15:52,955
these meetings dressed just

11144
06:15:52,955 --> 06:15:54,955
like that.

11145
06:16:01,330 --> 06:16:02,640
I appreciate that.

11146
06:16:02,640 --> 06:16:05,664
And I really need the concerns

11147
06:16:07,603 --> 06:16:11,203
that the staff has called upon

11148
06:16:18,914 --> 06:16:19,781
these things to be fixed.

11149
06:16:19,781 --> 06:16:20,816
Like supervisor boddye say,

11150
06:16:20,816 --> 06:16:21,684
this is a going to just sprout

11151
06:16:21,684 --> 06:16:22,418
out the ground tomorrow in

11152
06:16:22,418 --> 06:16:23,151
lincoln a cartoon it's going to

11153
06:16:23,151 --> 06:16:23,719
be there.

11154
06:16:23,719 --> 06:16:24,252
Hi need these things to be

11155
06:16:24,252 --> 06:16:26,252
fixed

11156
06:16:28,457 --> 06:16:29,240
.

11157
06:16:29,240 --> 06:16:31,424
The community needs these

11158
06:16:35,698 --> 06:16:36,332
things to be fixed.

11159
06:16:36,332 --> 06:16:36,699
People want to be treated

11160
06:16:36,699 --> 06:16:38,699
fairly.

11161
06:16:39,702 --> 06:16:39,935
People want to be heard

11162
06:16:39,935 --> 06:16:40,669
.

11163
06:16:40,669 --> 06:16:44,269
People want the tax money they

11164
06:16:44,740 --> 06:16:48,940
are paying to be utilized in a

11165
06:16:51,547 --> 06:16:53,947
fashion that reflects them

11166
06:16:55,651 --> 06:16:57,651
.

11167
06:17:00,389 --> 06:17:03,989
Because of the location I am

11168
06:17:04,590 --> 06:17:07,590
going to support this project,

11169
06:17:09,980 --> 06:17:12,980
however, there are things going

11170
06:17:13,535 --> 06:17:14,536
to be breathing down staffs

11171
06:17:14,536 --> 06:17:15,104
neck about all the way until

11172
06:17:15,104 --> 06:17:16,710
the first shovel is in the

11173
06:17:16,710 --> 06:17:16,672
grown.

11174
06:17:16,672 --> 06:17:18,307
And you should to be aware of

11175
06:17:18,307 --> 06:17:20,307
that.

11176
06:17:21,377 --> 06:17:23,712
This is not good.

11177
06:17:23,712 --> 06:17:24,647
This is a bad haircut.

11178
06:17:24,647 --> 06:17:26,647
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

11179
06:17:30,520 --> 06:17:31,487
supervisor vega

11180
06:17:31,487 --> 06:17:32,454
.

11181
06:17:32,454 --> 06:17:32,922
>> Yesli Vega: a question for

11182
06:17:32,922 --> 06:17:33,689
the county attorney.

11183
06:17:33,689 --> 06:17:35,391
For clarification purposes, is

11184
06:17:35,391 --> 06:17:38,160
this board committed are under

11185
06:17:38,160 --> 06:17:38,961
the same pressure with the

11186
06:17:38,961 --> 06:17:41,361
timing component of this

11187
06:17:44,266 --> 06:17:44,967
application?

11188
06:17:44,967 --> 06:17:45,935
>> the board has one year to

11189
06:17:45,935 --> 06:17:47,903
act unless the applicant

11190
06:17:47,903 --> 06:17:48,904
waives.

11191
06:17:48,904 --> 06:17:53,104
And I am not sure when the

11192
06:17:54,944 --> 06:17:56,944
application was filed.

11193
06:18:04,453 --> 06:18:05,354
MAY of 24.

11194
06:18:05,354 --> 06:18:05,554
So it has been more than a

11195
06:18:05,554 --> 06:18:06,455
year.

11196
06:18:06,455 --> 06:18:07,723
>> Yesli Vega: this board has

11197
06:18:07,723 --> 06:18:08,524
to take action today?

11198
06:18:08,524 --> 06:18:11,524
>> MS. Roble: I would recommend

11199
06:18:14,296 --> 06:18:15,297
the board take action.

11200
06:18:15,297 --> 06:18:15,798
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

11201
06:18:15,798 --> 06:18:16,332
nothing else?

11202
06:18:16,332 --> 06:18:17,766
Before no thank you.

11203
06:18:17,766 --> 06:18:18,534
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

11204
06:18:18,534 --> 06:18:18,901
does anyone else wish to speak

11205
06:18:18,901 --> 06:18:20,901
on this?

11206
06:18:21,770 --> 06:18:22,438
All right.

11207
06:18:22,438 --> 06:18:22,771
Let's go ahead and take our

11208
06:18:22,771 --> 06:18:24,740
vote.

11209
06:18:24,740 --> 06:18:26,242
Spoke supervisor angry?

11210
06:18:26,242 --> 06:18:28,242
>> Victor Angry: yes.

11211
06:18:33,314 --> 06:18:34,160
>> thank you.

11212
06:18:34,160 --> 06:18:35,183
Motion passes 7/1 supervisor

11213
06:18:35,183 --> 06:18:37,183
vega voting no.

11214
06:18:37,386 --> 06:18:39,386
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

11215
06:18:40,540 --> 06:18:40,656
on the right.

11216
06:18:40,656 --> 06:18:43,125
Thank you so very much.

11217
06:18:43,125 --> 06:18:44,260
The attorney has asked for a

11218
06:18:44,260 --> 06:18:47,296
brief recess and I will grant

11219
06:18:47,296 --> 06:18:47,997
that.

11220
06:18:47,997 --> 06:18:49,640
We have 10 minutes and then

11221
06:18:49,640 --> 06:18:52,640
everyone please come back if

11222
06:20:57,639 --> 06:20:59,639
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

11223
06:21:00,143 --> 06:21:01,144
we are back.

11224
06:21:01,144 --> 06:21:01,911
Going to ask everyone to find a

11225
06:21:01,911 --> 06:21:06,111
seat and we are going to start

11226
06:21:10,286 --> 06:21:10,553
with the applicant

11227
06:21:10,553 --> 06:21:11,254
.

11228
06:21:11,254 --> 06:21:12,522
I'm going to let everyone know

11229
06:21:12,522 --> 06:21:13,223
we are going to combine the

11230
06:21:13,223 --> 06:21:14,230
presentation and the public

11231
06:21:14,230 --> 06:21:17,230
hearings 413 b and c. The

11232
06:21:21,164 --> 06:21:21,764
applicant will present the cpa

11233
06:21:21,764 --> 06:21:22,632
as well as the rezoning.

11234
06:21:22,632 --> 06:21:23,533
The county will give their

11235
06:21:23,533 --> 06:21:26,533
presentation and then I will

11236
06:21:29,305 --> 06:21:29,572
open up the public hearing.

11237
06:21:29,572 --> 06:21:29,939
Thank you.

11238
06:21:29,939 --> 06:21:30,807
You can proceed.

11239
06:21:30,807 --> 06:21:32,807
>> good evening turned

11240
06:21:32,842 --> 06:21:33,420
jefferson to members of the

11241
06:21:33,420 --> 06:21:33,810
board.

11242
06:21:33,810 --> 06:21:34,577
For the record my name is

11243
06:21:34,577 --> 06:21:35,311
jonelle cameron with walsh

11244
06:21:35,311 --> 06:21:36,279
colucci, lou bly and walsh.

11245
06:21:36,279 --> 06:21:39,879
Here with me tonight on behalf

11246
06:21:43,953 --> 06:21:44,687
of jr real estate group by the

11247
06:21:44,687 --> 06:21:45,455
applicant, our civil

11248
06:21:45,455 --> 06:21:46,356
engineering team,

11249
06:21:46,356 --> 06:21:46,956
transportation team and

11250
06:21:46,956 --> 06:21:47,590
environmental team to answer

11251
06:21:47,590 --> 06:21:51,190
any questions that you all MAY

11252
06:21:52,762 --> 06:21:53,429
have.

11253
06:21:53,429 --> 06:21:54,430
As a roadmap we are going to

11254
06:21:54,430 --> 06:21:55,398
walk through the property

11255
06:21:55,398 --> 06:21:56,432
location, land use and zoning,

11256
06:21:56,432 --> 06:21:57,267
the proposal which includes

11257
06:21:57,267 --> 06:21:58,167
open space and buffers,

11258
06:21:58,167 --> 06:21:58,902
amenities, transportation we

11259
06:21:58,902 --> 06:21:59,802
will then end with 3d exhibits

11260
06:21:59,802 --> 06:22:03,402
to show you how the development

11261
06:22:05,808 --> 06:22:06,376
will look in a very brief video

11262
06:22:06,376 --> 06:22:06,809
that walks through the

11263
06:22:06,809 --> 06:22:08,809
development.

11264
06:22:13,917 --> 06:22:14,617
The applicant is a contract

11265
06:22:14,617 --> 06:22:15,552
purchaser of eight parcels and

11266
06:22:15,552 --> 06:22:16,920
is seeking encumbrance a plan

11267
06:22:16,920 --> 06:22:20,520
amendment onto the parcels in a

11268
06:22:20,590 --> 06:22:20,890
rezoning and all of the

11269
06:22:20,890 --> 06:22:21,790
properties.

11270
06:22:21,790 --> 06:22:22,592
The property is a little less

11271
06:22:22,592 --> 06:22:24,992
than 58 acres in size.

11272
06:22:25,628 --> 06:22:28,628
Here is william parkway and

11273
06:22:32,168 --> 06:22:32,902
here is hoadley road.

11274
06:22:32,902 --> 06:22:33,836
The property is currently zoned

11275
06:22:33,836 --> 06:22:37,436
a-1 agriculture and sr one semi

11276
06:22:37,473 --> 06:22:37,640
rural residential

11277
06:22:37,640 --> 06:22:38,708
.

11278
06:22:38,708 --> 06:22:39,576
It is comprehensively planned

11279
06:22:39,576 --> 06:22:41,576
mixed-use 3, residential

11280
06:22:42,612 --> 06:22:44,180
neighborhood 2 in orpa occoquan

11281
06:22:44,180 --> 06:22:46,180
resource protection area.

11282
06:22:48,151 --> 06:22:49,152
The proposal proposal is a

11283
06:22:49,152 --> 06:22:52,152
conference a plan amendment to

11284
06:22:54,570 --> 06:22:54,757
designate the entire property

11285
06:22:54,757 --> 06:22:57,757
is mixed-use 3 and a rezoning

11286
06:23:01,630 --> 06:23:02,650
to planned mixed residential.

11287
06:23:02,650 --> 06:23:02,799
The applicant is seeking that

11288
06:23:02,799 --> 06:23:05,199
comprehensive plan amendment on

11289
06:23:08,605 --> 06:23:09,606
the parcels here.

11290
06:23:09,606 --> 06:23:10,607
The applicant has conducted

11291
06:23:10,607 --> 06:23:12,607
significant community outreach

11292
06:23:19,315 --> 06:23:19,916
and based on feedback the

11293
06:23:19,916 --> 06:23:20,850
proposal has changed.

11294
06:23:20,850 --> 06:23:21,451
What you see on the screen is

11295
06:23:21,451 --> 06:23:22,418
the initial proposal.

11296
06:23:22,418 --> 06:23:23,319
The original proposal included

11297
06:23:23,319 --> 06:23:24,254
434 two units that include a

11298
06:23:24,254 --> 06:23:25,387
multifamily stacked unit here,

11299
06:23:25,387 --> 06:23:28,387
townhome units here and here,

11300
06:23:31,661 --> 06:23:32,695
duplex units here, to

11301
06:23:32,695 --> 06:23:33,329
multifamily buildings here in a

11302
06:23:33,329 --> 06:23:36,929
community center to be open to

11303
06:23:44,400 --> 06:23:44,707
the public here.

11304
06:23:44,707 --> 06:23:45,541
This slide shows the final

11305
06:23:45,541 --> 06:23:45,875
proposal based on input from

11306
06:23:45,875 --> 06:23:47,430
the community.

11307
06:23:47,430 --> 06:23:47,510
The applicant is proposing 279

11308
06:23:47,510 --> 06:23:48,678
residential units.

11309
06:23:48,678 --> 06:23:50,678
265 are single-family attached

11310
06:23:51,580 --> 06:23:52,415
units because he will know as

11311
06:23:52,415 --> 06:23:53,116
townhomes and 14 are duplex

11312
06:23:53,116 --> 06:23:55,116
units.

11313
06:23:57,754 --> 06:24:00,154
28 will be a dus.

11314
06:24:01,925 --> 06:24:04,925
The applicant is now proposing

11315
06:24:05,728 --> 06:24:07,830
-- inclusive areas defined as

11316
06:24:07,830 --> 06:24:11,430
er po and there are around

11317
06:24:11,568 --> 06:24:12,235
eight dwelling units per acre

11318
06:24:12,235 --> 06:24:15,835
if you exclude the b3 portion

11319
06:24:18,174 --> 06:24:18,841
in this area here.

11320
06:24:18,841 --> 06:24:21,841
Access will be from galveston

11321
06:24:23,346 --> 06:24:23,980
court here are

11322
06:24:23,980 --> 06:24:24,714
, right in right

11323
06:24:24,714 --> 06:24:26,249
out access from hoadley road

11324
06:24:26,249 --> 06:24:28,984
here and access from a new

11325
06:24:28,984 --> 06:24:29,718
public road public road a I

11326
06:24:29,718 --> 06:24:32,718
will go into further detail

11327
06:24:39,562 --> 06:24:40,463
with you on in this area here.

11328
06:24:40,463 --> 06:24:41,300
This slide shows the rear

11329
06:24:41,300 --> 06:24:41,130
loaded townhome elevation!

11330
06:24:41,130 --> 06:24:41,998
He

11331
06:24:41,998 --> 06:24:42,765
applicant is seeking

11332
06:24:42,765 --> 06:24:45,765
modifications of the width of

11333
06:24:53,943 --> 06:24:54,844
the townhomes to allow for 16

11334
06:24:54,844 --> 06:24:55,478
foot townhomes that allow for

11335
06:24:55,478 --> 06:24:55,544
seven townhomes in a row.

11336
06:24:55,544 --> 06:24:56,479
N

11337
06:24:56,479 --> 06:24:57,480
increase in height 45 feet to

11338
06:24:57,480 --> 06:24:58,470
allow for rooftop terraces and

11339
06:24:58,470 --> 06:24:59,115
a reduction in the minimum

11340
06:24:59,115 --> 06:25:00,116
setback for roof decks,

11341
06:25:00,116 --> 06:25:01,117
students, landings and similar

11342
06:25:01,117 --> 06:25:01,751
features in a reduction of the

11343
06:25:01,751 --> 06:25:04,151
minimum footprint for the

11344
06:25:10,260 --> 06:25:10,760
townhomes.

11345
06:25:10,760 --> 06:25:12,280
This slide is an illustrative

11346
06:25:12,280 --> 06:25:13,290
of the duplex the applicant is

11347
06:25:13,290 --> 06:25:13,830
seeking modifications to

11348
06:25:13,830 --> 06:25:16,830
decrease the minimum lot area

11349
06:25:24,540 --> 06:25:25,474
to 39 hundred square feet and

11350
06:25:25,474 --> 06:25:26,242
reduce the lot with to 38 feet.

11351
06:25:26,242 --> 06:25:26,976
In MAY 2024 the board initiated

11352
06:25:26,976 --> 06:25:28,110
the comprehensive plan

11353
06:25:28,110 --> 06:25:29,945
amendment at the request of the

11354
06:25:29,945 --> 06:25:32,345
applicant to change the

11355
06:25:34,284 --> 06:25:35,151
designation to mixed-use 3. At

11356
06:25:35,151 --> 06:25:35,718
the time of the initiation

11357
06:25:35,718 --> 06:25:37,718
planning staff recommended

11358
06:25:40,590 --> 06:25:41,457
approval with for the

11359
06:25:41,457 --> 06:25:41,758
regulations you on the see on

11360
06:25:41,758 --> 06:25:42,625
the screen.

11361
06:25:42,625 --> 06:25:46,225
The first was to provide a

11362
06:25:49,799 --> 06:25:50,667
minimum of 60 percent open

11363
06:25:50,667 --> 06:25:51,501
space in the area is currently

11364
06:25:51,501 --> 06:25:52,268
designated as orpa pick the

11365
06:25:52,268 --> 06:25:54,668
second recommendation was to

11366
06:25:54,704 --> 06:25:57,440
provide a minimum of 60 percent

11367
06:25:57,440 --> 06:25:59,840
undisturbed area within that

11368
06:26:04,180 --> 06:26:05,682
open space.

11369
06:26:05,682 --> 06:26:06,482
The applicant was encouraged to

11370
06:26:06,482 --> 06:26:07,500
preserve preservation of a

11371
06:26:07,500 --> 06:26:09,450
natural buffer or existing

11372
06:26:09,652 --> 06:26:10,620
woodland or forestation area of

11373
06:26:10,620 --> 06:26:14,220
50 feet along each side of all

11374
06:26:16,392 --> 06:26:16,626
significant non-rpa streams

11375
06:26:16,626 --> 06:26:17,293
,

11376
06:26:17,293 --> 06:26:18,127
and the applicant was asked to

11377
06:26:18,127 --> 06:26:19,620
commit additional measures to

11378
06:26:19,620 --> 06:26:21,297
improve water quality to the

11379
06:26:21,297 --> 06:26:22,298
occoquan river watershed.

11380
06:26:22,298 --> 06:26:24,698
With this application the

11381
06:26:24,968 --> 06:26:26,970
applicant has met or exceeded

11382
06:26:26,970 --> 06:26:27,971
the county recommendations in

11383
06:26:27,971 --> 06:26:29,971
the comprehensive plan.

11384
06:26:30,172 --> 06:26:32,172
The

11385
06:26:34,143 --> 06:26:35,110
total of 56 percent of the

11386
06:26:35,110 --> 06:26:38,611
entire site is open space pick

11387
06:26:39,749 --> 06:26:40,483
the applicant is preserving 64

11388
06:26:40,483 --> 06:26:41,184
percent of the area designated

11389
06:26:41,184 --> 06:26:43,184
as open space.

11390
06:26:47,357 --> 06:26:48,358
In addition the applicant is

11391
06:26:48,358 --> 06:26:50,758
preserving 65 percent of that

11392
06:26:53,496 --> 06:26:54,496
open space as undisturbed.

11393
06:26:54,496 --> 06:26:55,131
That's a little less than eight

11394
06:26:55,131 --> 06:26:55,965
acres the applicant exceeded

11395
06:26:55,965 --> 06:26:58,365
the county requirement will

11396
06:27:05,508 --> 06:27:06,740
request to commit to 60 open

11397
06:27:06,740 --> 06:27:06,910
space within the area

11398
06:27:06,910 --> 06:27:07,543
designated as orpa and to

11399
06:27:07,543 --> 06:27:07,911
preserve 60 percent of that

11400
06:27:07,911 --> 06:27:08,411
open space.

11401
06:27:08,411 --> 06:27:10,411
He applicant is

11402
06:27:10,980 --> 06:27:11,313
providing 20 foot buffers along

11403
06:27:11,313 --> 06:27:13,313
hoadley road.

11404
06:27:13,650 --> 06:27:15,685
A 30 foot buffer adjacent to

11405
06:27:15,685 --> 06:27:17,685
dorrell nor

11406
06:27:19,550 --> 06:27:19,856
, 50 foot buffers

11407
06:27:19,856 --> 06:27:22,856
adjacent to the residential and

11408
06:27:24,961 --> 06:27:26,290
30 foot buffers that will be

11409
06:27:26,290 --> 06:27:26,963
undisturbed adjacent to the

11410
06:27:26,963 --> 06:27:28,963
residential neighborhood tear

11411
06:27:29,264 --> 06:27:32,264
and 50 foot buffer adjacent to

11412
06:27:34,870 --> 06:27:35,505
prince william parkway.

11413
06:27:35,505 --> 06:27:36,371
The next regulation was to

11414
06:27:36,371 --> 06:27:38,771
encourage the applicant to

11415
06:27:43,111 --> 06:27:44,130
provide a 50 foot buffer next

11416
06:27:44,130 --> 06:27:44,581
to non-rpa streams pick the

11417
06:27:44,581 --> 06:27:45,515
applicant was able to

11418
06:27:45,515 --> 06:27:48,515
accomplish that in most areas

11419
06:27:49,953 --> 06:27:50,320
except for the area here in the

11420
06:27:50,320 --> 06:27:52,320
area here.

11421
06:27:54,323 --> 06:27:55,358
The area here is where the

11422
06:27:55,358 --> 06:27:55,925
storm water management facility

11423
06:27:55,925 --> 06:27:57,925
is.

11424
06:27:58,194 --> 06:28:01,130
There was a cultural resource

11425
06:28:01,130 --> 06:28:02,799
found on the site that is going

11426
06:28:02,799 --> 06:28:04,567
to be retained in undisturbed

11427
06:28:04,567 --> 06:28:07,567
and because of that the

11428
06:28:08,537 --> 06:28:09,372
applicant is unable to relocate

11429
06:28:09,372 --> 06:28:11,772
the storm water management

11430
06:28:13,943 --> 06:28:14,844
facility to the east so that's

11431
06:28:14,844 --> 06:28:15,545
why they were able to commit to

11432
06:28:15,545 --> 06:28:18,948
a full 50 foot buffer in this

11433
06:28:18,948 --> 06:28:20,183
area here in this area is for

11434
06:28:20,183 --> 06:28:22,583
they enter personal connection

11435
06:28:23,820 --> 06:28:27,420
to maple valley grove and the

11436
06:28:32,695 --> 06:28:33,363
road network.

11437
06:28:33,363 --> 06:28:34,330
The applicant has proffered

11438
06:28:34,330 --> 06:28:35,398
several proffers as a relates

11439
06:28:35,398 --> 06:28:36,366
to environmental protections

11440
06:28:36,366 --> 06:28:38,766
within the occoquan watershed.

11441
06:28:41,304 --> 06:28:41,938
The applicant permitted to an

11442
06:28:41,938 --> 06:28:44,400
area designated as orpa pick

11443
06:28:44,400 --> 06:28:45,740
the applicant committed to

11444
06:28:45,740 --> 06:28:47,343
construct a sediment basin at

11445
06:28:47,343 --> 06:28:50,943
the very beginning of the very

11446
06:28:51,140 --> 06:28:51,915
development of preconstruction

11447
06:28:51,915 --> 06:28:54,915
and essentially what this does

11448
06:28:56,185 --> 06:28:57,253
is it allows for there to be

11449
06:28:57,253 --> 06:28:59,253
additional mitigation treatment

11450
06:28:59,289 --> 06:28:59,421
during construction

11451
06:28:59,421 --> 06:29:00,256
.

11452
06:29:00,256 --> 06:29:01,257
Normally you wouldn't put in

11453
06:29:01,257 --> 06:29:04,257
the settlement basins and so

11454
06:29:05,495 --> 06:29:06,195
there is a concern some of the

11455
06:29:06,195 --> 06:29:08,197
erosion would go into the

11456
06:29:08,197 --> 06:29:10,197
water.

11457
06:29:11,668 --> 06:29:12,335
From a stormwater management

11458
06:29:12,335 --> 06:29:13,169
perspective, the applicant

11459
06:29:13,169 --> 06:29:15,169
proffered low impact

11460
06:29:18,775 --> 06:29:19,420
development in the area

11461
06:29:19,420 --> 06:29:20,430
.

11462
06:29:20,430 --> 06:29:20,944
The applicant also proffered to

11463
06:29:20,944 --> 06:29:23,344
not purchase any off-site

11464
06:29:25,381 --> 06:29:26,416
nutrient credits to comply with

11465
06:29:26,416 --> 06:29:27,500
water quality requirements.

11466
06:29:27,500 --> 06:29:27,650
And to my knowledge this is the

11467
06:29:27,650 --> 06:29:29,452
only time this has been

11468
06:29:29,452 --> 06:29:30,452
proffered.

11469
06:29:30,452 --> 06:29:31,888
The applicant also proffered a

11470
06:29:31,888 --> 06:29:33,523
reduction in phosphorus by 60

11471
06:29:33,523 --> 06:29:35,523
percent.

11472
06:29:35,725 --> 06:29:36,359
The county

11473
06:29:36,359 --> 06:29:39,359
, they do not have a

11474
06:29:41,764 --> 06:29:43,990
zoning ordinance as to how you

11475
06:29:43,990 --> 06:29:46,990
develop in the orpa area.

11476
06:29:47,103 --> 06:29:50,703
Fairfax duns in fairfax has a

11477
06:29:50,873 --> 06:29:51,874
similar area with the occoquan

11478
06:29:51,874 --> 06:29:52,875
and these recommendations are

11479
06:29:52,875 --> 06:29:55,875
proffers came from what fairfax

11480
06:29:58,881 --> 06:29:59,983
requires and so for example, in

11481
06:29:59,983 --> 06:30:01,983
fairfax phosphorus reduction

11482
06:30:02,819 --> 06:30:04,921
load is a minimum of 50 percent

11483
06:30:04,921 --> 06:30:07,921
to the applicant proffered a

11484
06:30:08,191 --> 06:30:09,580
minimum of 60 percent higher

11485
06:30:09,580 --> 06:30:11,194
than what the requirement is in

11486
06:30:11,194 --> 06:30:13,194
fairfax.

11487
06:30:14,764 --> 06:30:15,632
In the next few slides I will

11488
06:30:15,632 --> 06:30:18,320
review the amenities proposed

11489
06:30:20,969 --> 06:30:21,938
on site.

11490
06:30:21,938 --> 06:30:22,605
This slide shows the linear

11491
06:30:22,605 --> 06:30:26,205
park, the dog park, the garden

11492
06:30:26,609 --> 06:30:27,610
and reflection park.

11493
06:30:27,610 --> 06:30:28,544
This slide here shows another

11494
06:30:28,544 --> 06:30:30,544
border park.

11495
06:30:30,679 --> 06:30:33,679
The central look community park

11496
06:30:42,358 --> 06:30:43,250
is gated in this area here and

11497
06:30:43,250 --> 06:30:43,860
then we also have the pony

11498
06:30:43,860 --> 06:30:44,794
park, arrowhead trailhead and

11499
06:30:44,794 --> 06:30:46,794
community garden.

11500
06:30:46,996 --> 06:30:47,931
And the applicant originally

11501
06:30:47,931 --> 06:30:49,999
proposed the application, that

11502
06:30:49,999 --> 06:30:50,867
trailhead was in this area as

11503
06:30:50,867 --> 06:30:53,867
well and it looped around.

11504
06:30:54,370 --> 06:30:54,971
Based on feedback from the

11505
06:30:54,971 --> 06:30:57,674
community they wanted the trail

11506
06:30:57,674 --> 06:30:58,341
moved further away from the

11507
06:30:58,341 --> 06:31:00,741
development and the applicant

11508
06:31:01,778 --> 06:31:02,679
agreed to do that, which is why

11509
06:31:02,679 --> 06:31:06,279
you see the trail in the

11510
06:31:08,585 --> 06:31:09,585
location that it is today.

11511
06:31:09,585 --> 06:31:10,486
This slide shows overall

11512
06:31:10,486 --> 06:31:12,486
transportation note and

11513
06:31:12,789 --> 06:31:13,656
network.

11514
06:31:13,656 --> 06:31:15,458
As part of the proposal the

11515
06:31:15,458 --> 06:31:16,392
applicant is required to

11516
06:31:16,392 --> 06:31:16,960
conduct a traffic impact

11517
06:31:16,960 --> 06:31:18,960
analysis

11518
06:31:20,163 --> 06:31:21,970
.

11519
06:31:21,970 --> 06:31:22,310
Required to look at the five

11520
06:31:22,310 --> 06:31:24,431
intersections on the screen.

11521
06:31:25,335 --> 06:31:26,340
Again, the required to look at

11522
06:31:26,340 --> 06:31:29,340
the existing levels of service,

11523
06:31:30,640 --> 06:31:31,641
what are the levels of service

11524
06:31:31,641 --> 06:31:32,609
in the future without you

11525
06:31:32,609 --> 06:31:33,309
development including a two

11526
06:31:33,309 --> 06:31:34,811
percent growth rate per year as

11527
06:31:34,811 --> 06:31:36,980
well as unapproved projects

11528
06:31:36,980 --> 06:31:39,980
which include the dorrell nor

11529
06:31:41,584 --> 06:31:42,385
expansion project.

11530
06:31:42,385 --> 06:31:43,152
They were then required to look

11531
06:31:43,152 --> 06:31:44,921
at what at the levels of

11532
06:31:44,921 --> 06:31:47,921
service in the future winter

11533
06:31:49,459 --> 06:31:50,293
project, the two percent growth

11534
06:31:50,293 --> 06:31:51,361
rate in the dorrell nor

11535
06:31:51,361 --> 06:31:51,961
expansion and they are required

11536
06:31:51,961 --> 06:31:53,763
to look at it in the future

11537
06:31:53,763 --> 06:31:56,763
assuming maple valley grove was

11538
06:32:06,276 --> 06:32:07,277
also approved.

11539
06:32:07,277 --> 06:32:08,278
All of the intersections

11540
06:32:08,278 --> 06:32:09,279
operated at acceptable levels

11541
06:32:09,279 --> 06:32:10,280
of service except for the

11542
06:32:10,280 --> 06:32:12,680
intersection of prince william

11543
06:32:20,156 --> 06:32:21,157
parkway and hoadley road.

11544
06:32:21,157 --> 06:32:22,125
That intersection in the left

11545
06:32:22,125 --> 06:32:22,392
movement here is a failing

11546
06:32:22,392 --> 06:32:23,260
movement.

11547
06:32:23,260 --> 06:32:23,826
Vdot kicked off the star study

11548
06:32:23,826 --> 06:32:24,794
which looks at the corridor

11549
06:32:24,794 --> 06:32:25,428
from prince william pkwy.,

11550
06:32:25,428 --> 06:32:26,229
hoadley road and davis ford

11551
06:32:26,229 --> 06:32:27,597
road all the way down to the

11552
06:32:27,597 --> 06:32:28,310
intersection of hoadley and

11553
06:32:28,310 --> 06:32:28,731
dumfries.

11554
06:32:28,731 --> 06:32:32,331
That's designed to look at the

11555
06:32:33,469 --> 06:32:34,170
future development and any

11556
06:32:34,170 --> 06:32:35,380
improvements that need to be

11557
06:32:35,380 --> 06:32:37,707
made to account for growth.

11558
06:32:37,707 --> 06:32:40,107
The applicant has proffered

11559
06:32:41,377 --> 06:32:41,878
over $71,000 for an interim

11560
06:32:41,878 --> 06:32:43,878
improvement at this

11561
06:32:46,182 --> 06:32:47,183
intersection.

11562
06:32:47,183 --> 06:32:50,320
As part of the proposal the

11563
06:32:50,320 --> 06:32:52,720
applicant is realigning the

11564
06:32:54,230 --> 06:32:54,824
access

11565
06:32:54,824 --> 06:32:55,658
, which is currently

11566
06:32:55,658 --> 06:32:56,326
their access is in this

11567
06:32:56,326 --> 06:32:58,326
location here.

11568
06:32:58,761 --> 06:33:01,161
The applicant is creating

11569
06:33:07,700 --> 06:33:07,270
public road a in this location

11570
06:33:07,270 --> 06:33:08,710
here.

11571
06:33:08,710 --> 06:33:08,338
That removes the offset

11572
06:33:08,338 --> 06:33:09,239
geometry.

11573
06:33:09,239 --> 06:33:12,239
So currently that access is

11574
06:33:13,543 --> 06:33:14,210
offset from queens chapel road.

11575
06:33:14,210 --> 06:33:15,211
This will now align the road.

11576
06:33:15,211 --> 06:33:17,611
It reduces potential conflicts

11577
06:33:18,381 --> 06:33:21,184
and it improves the operational

11578
06:33:21,184 --> 06:33:23,184
efficiency.

11579
06:33:23,786 --> 06:33:28,586
So today the access is an e at

11580
06:33:32,262 --> 06:33:33,196
the intersection with the

11581
06:33:33,196 --> 06:33:34,970
approval on the change did they

11582
06:33:34,970 --> 06:33:37,332
signal it is now a level of

11583
06:33:37,332 --> 06:33:39,936
service be until the delay is

11584
06:33:39,936 --> 06:33:42,936
48 seconds in the P.M.

11585
06:33:45,808 --> 06:33:46,709
Reduction is 24.8 seconds on

11586
06:33:46,709 --> 06:33:49,109
fridays the reduction is 37

11587
06:33:50,980 --> 06:33:51,981
seconds.

11588
06:33:51,981 --> 06:33:54,830
This slide shows the overall

11589
06:33:54,830 --> 06:33:54,217
connectivity

11590
06:33:54,217 --> 06:33:55,184
.

11591
06:33:55,184 --> 06:33:57,487
There is a transfer station

11592
06:33:57,487 --> 06:33:59,822
today on galveston court.

11593
06:33:59,822 --> 06:34:01,822
The

11594
06:34:04,928 --> 06:34:05,929
prophet a monetary contribution

11595
06:34:05,929 --> 06:34:06,563
for three bus shelters, two on

11596
06:34:06,563 --> 06:34:07,664
galveston court and one on

11597
06:34:07,664 --> 06:34:08,397
hoadley road.

11598
06:34:08,397 --> 06:34:11,397
The applicant also designed the

11599
06:34:11,734 --> 06:34:14,704
state so if in the future on

11600
06:34:14,704 --> 06:34:15,672
the right decides they want a

11601
06:34:15,672 --> 06:34:18,741
stop internal to the site, that

11602
06:34:18,741 --> 06:34:21,741
could be accommodated in this

11603
06:34:24,380 --> 06:34:25,381
area here.

11604
06:34:25,381 --> 06:34:26,182
As we were doing the community

11605
06:34:26,182 --> 06:34:26,849
meetings

11606
06:34:26,849 --> 06:34:29,849
, there were a lot of

11607
06:34:30,753 --> 06:34:31,654
discussions about parking and

11608
06:34:31,654 --> 06:34:32,555
what does parking look like,

11609
06:34:32,555 --> 06:34:35,555
how are you all providing

11610
06:34:38,294 --> 06:34:38,828
parking there are 708 parking

11611
06:34:38,828 --> 06:34:40,828
spaces required.

11612
06:34:46,603 --> 06:34:46,970
The applicant is providing 1124

11613
06:34:46,970 --> 06:34:47,570
parking spaces.

11614
06:34:47,570 --> 06:34:48,403
In addition the applicant

11615
06:34:48,403 --> 06:34:49,138
designed the site so public

11616
06:34:49,138 --> 06:34:49,706
road b can a public parking on

11617
06:34:49,706 --> 06:34:51,706
the site.

11618
06:34:55,411 --> 06:34:56,446
When you're calculating the

11619
06:34:56,446 --> 06:34:57,347
number of parking spaces, the

11620
06:34:57,347 --> 06:35:00,947
county and vdot did not allow

11621
06:35:03,820 --> 06:35:04,486
you to include public street

11622
06:35:04,486 --> 06:35:04,687
parking even though it can be

11623
06:35:04,687 --> 06:35:05,388
used.

11624
06:35:05,388 --> 06:35:06,890
If we were to include the

11625
06:35:06,890 --> 06:35:07,991
public street parking, that is

11626
06:35:07,991 --> 06:35:08,558
an additional 59 spaces so

11627
06:35:08,558 --> 06:35:08,725
that's 1183 spaces.

11628
06:35:08,725 --> 06:35:10,725
Or this

11629
06:35:13,950 --> 06:35:13,963
project the applicant is over

11630
06:35:13,963 --> 06:35:16,363
parked by over 400 parking

11631
06:35:19,350 --> 06:35:20,300
spaces.

11632
06:35:20,300 --> 06:35:20,737
There were comments made at the

11633
06:35:20,737 --> 06:35:22,737
planning commission public

11634
06:35:22,906 --> 06:35:24,906
hearing recommendations from

11635
06:35:25,975 --> 06:35:26,976
staff and the staff report.

11636
06:35:26,976 --> 06:35:30,576
I'm going to briefly review the

11637
06:35:31,948 --> 06:35:32,782
proper revisions made.

11638
06:35:32,782 --> 06:35:36,382
First as part of the project

11639
06:35:39,756 --> 06:35:40,523
there is a b3 land debate.

11640
06:35:40,523 --> 06:35:40,924
Staff wanted us to commit what

11641
06:35:40,924 --> 06:35:41,624
the use would be.

11642
06:35:41,624 --> 06:35:45,224
There were concerns it would be

11643
06:35:45,562 --> 06:35:46,563
a shopping center or some more

11644
06:35:46,563 --> 06:35:47,564
heavily intense commercial use.

11645
06:35:47,564 --> 06:35:49,964
The applicant proffered and

11646
06:35:55,939 --> 06:35:56,706
limited these uses to adult day

11647
06:35:56,706 --> 06:35:57,707
care center, childcare

11648
06:35:57,707 --> 06:35:58,675
facility, event center meeting

11649
06:35:58,675 --> 06:35:59,275
hall, funeral home, office,

11650
06:35:59,275 --> 06:36:01,675
religious institution and/or

11651
06:36:02,477 --> 06:36:03,446
wedding chapel.

11652
06:36:03,446 --> 06:36:04,447
An essential believe those are

11653
06:36:04,447 --> 06:36:04,981
uses compatible with the uses

11654
06:36:04,981 --> 06:36:06,150
dorrell nor has.

11655
06:36:06,150 --> 06:36:09,986
But we wanted to say was one of

11656
06:36:09,986 --> 06:36:10,987
the other uses that would be

11657
06:36:10,987 --> 06:36:12,755
compatible with in a knot

11658
06:36:12,755 --> 06:36:14,755
heavily intense.

11659
06:36:18,895 --> 06:36:19,896
We also heard a lot of

11660
06:36:19,896 --> 06:36:20,930
discussions and concerns from

11661
06:36:20,930 --> 06:36:23,633
the folks who live along lost

11662
06:36:23,633 --> 06:36:24,267
creek rd. Regarding their wells

11663
06:36:24,267 --> 06:36:24,901
what would the development do

11664
06:36:24,901 --> 06:36:27,536
or how would the development

11665
06:36:27,536 --> 06:36:27,604
impact their wells

11666
06:36:27,604 --> 06:36:28,204
.

11667
06:36:28,204 --> 06:36:29,839
The applicant did a proffered

11668
06:36:29,839 --> 06:36:32,875
to do a baseline study of 17

11669
06:36:32,875 --> 06:36:35,275
wells immediately adjacent to

11670
06:36:35,278 --> 06:36:35,912
the property.

11671
06:36:35,912 --> 06:36:37,447
What that means is 60 days

11672
06:36:37,447 --> 06:36:40,447
prior the applicant would send

11673
06:36:42,218 --> 06:36:42,885
a letter to the neighbors

11674
06:36:42,885 --> 06:36:43,219
offering to do a baseline

11675
06:36:43,219 --> 06:36:45,219
study.

11676
06:36:45,955 --> 06:36:46,923
That would test for both

11677
06:36:46,923 --> 06:36:49,923
quality and quantity of the

11678
06:36:52,428 --> 06:36:53,960
water.

11679
06:36:53,960 --> 06:36:53,930
And when they were completed

11680
06:36:53,930 --> 06:36:56,930
the site construction on the

11681
06:37:03,172 --> 06:37:04,173
site offer to do another study

11682
06:37:04,173 --> 06:37:04,774
to confirm that there were no

11683
06:37:04,774 --> 06:37:05,674
impacts to the wells.

11684
06:37:05,674 --> 06:37:06,643
If there is an impact of the

11685
06:37:06,643 --> 06:37:07,610
well the applicant would be

11686
06:37:07,610 --> 06:37:08,440
responsible to repair or

11687
06:37:08,440 --> 06:37:10,440
replace that well.

11688
06:37:10,460 --> 06:37:10,813
This slide shows those

11689
06:37:10,813 --> 06:37:13,116
properties in which the letters

11690
06:37:13,116 --> 06:37:17,316
would go to and are subject to

11691
06:37:19,656 --> 06:37:20,390
that proffered to do that.

11692
06:37:20,390 --> 06:37:21,157
Another change pertained to

11693
06:37:21,157 --> 06:37:23,157
adding the low-impact

11694
06:37:23,693 --> 06:37:24,427
development.

11695
06:37:24,427 --> 06:37:25,395
That was a proffer not included

11696
06:37:25,395 --> 06:37:27,763
that the planning commission

11697
06:37:27,763 --> 06:37:28,398
public hearing, but it was a

11698
06:37:28,398 --> 06:37:31,133
request from doctor jack on

11699
06:37:31,133 --> 06:37:33,336
behalf of lou coppell so the

11700
06:37:33,336 --> 06:37:35,736
applicant made that addition.

11701
06:37:37,407 --> 06:37:38,408
The applicant also providing

11702
06:37:38,408 --> 06:37:40,143
clarity in the credit and

11703
06:37:40,143 --> 06:37:40,810
phosphorus reduction proffers

11704
06:37:40,810 --> 06:37:43,112
as requested by watershed

11705
06:37:43,112 --> 06:37:45,112
staff.

11706
06:37:47,250 --> 06:37:51,450
In the next few slides I have

11707
06:37:52,922 --> 06:37:53,560
aerials

11708
06:37:53,560 --> 06:37:54,230
.

11709
06:37:54,230 --> 06:37:55,240
This is the view from hoadley

11710
06:37:55,240 --> 06:37:57,424
looking toward prince william

11711
06:37:58,228 --> 06:37:59,229
pkwy.

11712
06:37:59,229 --> 06:38:01,931
This is the view from the other

11713
06:38:01,931 --> 06:38:02,931
location and direction.

11714
06:38:02,931 --> 06:38:03,600
This is the right in, right out

11715
06:38:03,600 --> 06:38:05,600
entrance.

11716
06:38:06,903 --> 06:38:09,372
This is the area for the

11717
06:38:09,372 --> 06:38:11,372
central community park.

11718
06:38:11,441 --> 06:38:14,441
This is showing the clubhouse

11719
06:38:14,509 --> 06:38:14,611
in this area here

11720
06:38:14,611 --> 06:38:16,611
.

11721
06:38:19,381 --> 06:38:19,916
And I do have one video I MAY

11722
06:38:19,916 --> 06:38:22,916
need andrea has helped to

11723
06:38:47,277 --> 06:38:49,277
upload.

11724
06:38:49,678 --> 06:38:50,213
[Music]

11725
06:38:50,213 --> 06:38:52,480
Split good evening.

11726
06:38:52,480 --> 06:38:54,480
Gr real

11727
06:39:01,157 --> 06:39:01,791
estate.

11728
06:39:01,791 --> 06:39:02,725
Were challenged to grade a

11729
06:39:02,725 --> 06:39:03,660
sense of place we wanted to pay

11730
06:39:03,660 --> 06:39:05,962
all munch to the chris wood

11731
06:39:05,962 --> 06:39:06,563
family and the horse farms.

11732
06:39:06,563 --> 06:39:07,463
There's a corset theme

11733
06:39:07,463 --> 06:39:08,164
throughout the tack shop, the

11734
06:39:08,164 --> 06:39:08,998
bridle would park as well as

11735
06:39:08,998 --> 06:39:10,330
the trails

11736
06:39:10,330 --> 06:39:10,733
.

11737
06:39:10,733 --> 06:39:11,733
As he will see everywhere as

11738
06:39:11,733 --> 06:39:14,733
part of the development when

11739
06:39:15,939 --> 06:39:16,605
you turn in he will actually

11740
06:39:16,605 --> 06:39:18,840
turn into greenery and it's

11741
06:39:18,840 --> 06:39:20,209
intended to look like that

11742
06:39:20,209 --> 06:39:20,910
.

11743
06:39:20,910 --> 06:39:21,778
As you turn into the site you

11744
06:39:21,778 --> 06:39:23,546
will turn into linear parks

11745
06:39:23,546 --> 06:39:24,781
throughout

11746
06:39:24,781 --> 06:39:25,715
.

11747
06:39:25,715 --> 06:39:26,683
We created a central amenity

11748
06:39:26,683 --> 06:39:27,383
area that would be public

11749
06:39:27,383 --> 06:39:30,720
access so this will be publicly

11750
06:39:30,720 --> 06:39:31,870
accessible not just for the

11751
06:39:31,870 --> 06:39:32,422
community.

11752
06:39:32,422 --> 06:39:33,189
And we called this area

11753
06:39:33,189 --> 06:39:34,791
.

11754
06:39:34,791 --> 06:39:35,491
We are trying to keep the horse

11755
06:39:35,491 --> 06:39:38,491
theme throughout and even the

11756
06:39:42,832 --> 06:39:43,466
trail network within this area.

11757
06:39:43,466 --> 06:39:45,735
In the clubhouse is just for

11758
06:39:45,735 --> 06:39:46,502
the community and it creates

11759
06:39:46,502 --> 06:39:47,604
the place for the community to

11760
06:39:47,604 --> 06:39:50,604
have meeting space and grilling

11761
06:39:53,476 --> 06:39:55,476
areas

11762
06:39:55,877 --> 06:39:56,846
.

11763
06:39:56,846 --> 06:39:57,580
What we did was we took out the

11764
06:39:57,580 --> 06:39:58,513
units because that was what was

11765
06:39:58,513 --> 06:40:00,216
at maple valley road so we can

11766
06:40:00,216 --> 06:40:01,170
create integrated community.

11767
06:40:01,170 --> 06:40:02,180
You different levels and sizes

11768
06:40:02,180 --> 06:40:05,618
of townhomes to create a folder

11769
06:40:07,757 --> 06:40:08,691
community between the

11770
06:40:08,691 --> 06:40:09,358
multifamily, stacked townhomes

11771
06:40:09,358 --> 06:40:11,358
and traditional townhomes.

11772
06:40:17,400 --> 06:40:17,901
As you can see, the streets is

11773
06:40:17,901 --> 06:40:18,835
a grid network.

11774
06:40:18,835 --> 06:40:18,935
We parking everywhere.

11775
06:40:18,935 --> 06:40:19,669
Ven

11776
06:40:19,669 --> 06:40:20,370
the townhomes are rear loaded

11777
06:40:20,370 --> 06:40:20,770
townhomes we purposely did

11778
06:40:20,770 --> 06:40:22,770
that.

11779
06:40:23,306 --> 06:40:23,572
And they have their

11780
06:40:23,572 --> 06:40:24,374
own

11781
06:40:24,374 --> 06:40:25,108
driveway so we could exceed

11782
06:40:25,108 --> 06:40:26,509
parking requirements.

11783
06:40:26,509 --> 06:40:26,976
With multiple playgrounds

11784
06:40:26,976 --> 06:40:27,877
throughout the site.

11785
06:40:27,877 --> 06:40:28,810
We have multiple amenities,

11786
06:40:28,810 --> 06:40:32,410
community garden as well as a

11787
06:40:35,985 --> 06:40:36,920
dog park that is there.

11788
06:40:36,920 --> 06:40:37,820
We also purchased a piece of

11789
06:40:37,820 --> 06:40:40,924
property so we could create the

11790
06:40:40,924 --> 06:40:41,925
connection to the shopping

11791
06:40:41,925 --> 06:40:45,525
center and make sure that's an

11792
06:40:49,566 --> 06:40:50,300
accessible facility.

11793
06:40:50,300 --> 06:40:51,467
Led dog park will be a part of

11794
06:40:51,467 --> 06:40:52,680
that in the pond will be a wet

11795
06:40:52,680 --> 06:40:52,268
pond that is and enticed it

11796
06:40:52,268 --> 06:40:53,136
there.

11797
06:40:53,136 --> 06:40:55,104
So the central park area will

11798
06:40:55,104 --> 06:40:56,104
be publicly accessible and

11799
06:40:56,104 --> 06:40:58,374
maintained by the hoa in the

11800
06:40:58,374 --> 06:41:00,374
community.

11801
06:41:13,489 --> 06:41:14,157
Thank you very much.

11802
06:41:14,157 --> 06:41:17,757
>> the only thing I did not

11803
06:41:18,940 --> 06:41:18,728
mention in my presentation is

11804
06:41:18,728 --> 06:41:21,128
this property here was

11805
06:41:25,168 --> 06:41:26,135
initially purchased to have

11806
06:41:26,135 --> 06:41:27,360
another access point from lost

11807
06:41:27,360 --> 06:41:27,837
creek so they did not have to

11808
06:41:27,837 --> 06:41:28,710
come out at lost creek and

11809
06:41:28,710 --> 06:41:30,710
hoadley.

11810
06:41:32,141 --> 06:41:33,760
Based on feedback from the

11811
06:41:33,760 --> 06:41:36,579
community they did not want the

11812
06:41:36,579 --> 06:41:37,246
access point.

11813
06:41:37,246 --> 06:41:38,514
That access point was removed

11814
06:41:38,514 --> 06:41:41,514
on the applicant has stated

11815
06:41:41,784 --> 06:41:45,540
that house would remain as a

11816
06:41:45,540 --> 06:41:45,788
residential use.

11817
06:41:45,788 --> 06:41:49,388
And I can answer any questions

11818
06:41:54,830 --> 06:41:55,899
you all MAY have.

11819
06:41:55,899 --> 06:41:56,766
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

11820
06:41:56,766 --> 06:41:57,233
I actually have a few I want to

11821
06:41:57,233 --> 06:41:58,134
get started.

11822
06:41:58,134 --> 06:41:58,368
You live in this area or

11823
06:41:58,368 --> 06:41:59,602
nearby?

11824
06:41:59,602 --> 06:42:00,670
>> yes.

11825
06:42:00,670 --> 06:42:01,604
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

11826
06:42:01,604 --> 06:42:02,605
one of the questions I had

11827
06:42:02,605 --> 06:42:03,573
proposed to me is there is a

11828
06:42:03,573 --> 06:42:07,173
pond in front of where the

11829
06:42:09,946 --> 06:42:10,580
horse farm is.

11830
06:42:10,580 --> 06:42:11,447
Is that part of the neabsco

11831
06:42:11,447 --> 06:42:13,549
creek works is that the

11832
06:42:13,549 --> 06:42:14,584
headwaters?

11833
06:42:14,584 --> 06:42:15,652
>> we do not believe that's the

11834
06:42:15,652 --> 06:42:17,652
headwaters.

11835
06:42:17,987 --> 06:42:18,955
We both are a civil engineer as

11836
06:42:18,955 --> 06:42:21,355
well as the environmental

11837
06:42:24,260 --> 06:42:24,894
consultant look at that.

11838
06:42:24,894 --> 06:42:25,528
We believe it was a pond

11839
06:42:25,528 --> 06:42:28,528
created for the horse farm

11840
06:42:34,904 --> 06:42:35,572
itself.

11841
06:42:35,572 --> 06:42:36,406
And I think I have an image.

11842
06:42:36,406 --> 06:42:36,906
This is the pond being

11843
06:42:36,906 --> 06:42:37,607
referenced today.

11844
06:42:37,607 --> 06:42:38,508
The civil engineer looked and

11845
06:42:38,508 --> 06:42:39,409
there is no evidence that there

11846
06:42:39,409 --> 06:42:40,209
is actually any piping that

11847
06:42:40,209 --> 06:42:43,460
goes from the pond anywhere

11848
06:42:43,460 --> 06:42:44,470
else under the road.

11849
06:42:44,470 --> 06:42:46,470
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

11850
06:42:46,549 --> 06:42:48,510
my next question, there is a

11851
06:42:48,510 --> 06:42:48,251
small piece of land

11852
06:42:48,251 --> 06:42:50,251
.

11853
06:42:52,789 --> 06:42:53,220
Can you tell me

11854
06:42:53,220 --> 06:42:53,957
.

11855
06:42:53,957 --> 06:42:55,892
I have heard concerns it might

11856
06:42:55,892 --> 06:42:58,292
be something not fitting

11857
06:43:02,799 --> 06:43:03,566
say 711 or a retail.

11858
06:43:03,566 --> 06:43:06,566
>> that's an area we proffered

11859
06:43:11,975 --> 06:43:12,976
and I can repeat those uses.

11860
06:43:12,976 --> 06:43:14,944
It is only permitted for an

11861
06:43:14,944 --> 06:43:16,112
adult day care center,

11862
06:43:16,112 --> 06:43:16,446
childcare facility

11863
06:43:16,446 --> 06:43:18,446
, in the

11864
06:43:20,650 --> 06:43:21,984
event or meeting hall, mortuary

11865
06:43:21,984 --> 06:43:22,886
funeral home, office, religious

11866
06:43:22,886 --> 06:43:25,286
institution and/or wedding

11867
06:43:27,956 --> 06:43:28,892
chapel.

11868
06:43:28,892 --> 06:43:30,793
In addition, this piece here

11869
06:43:30,793 --> 06:43:33,793
shall be retained as a

11870
06:43:37,433 --> 06:43:38,101
residential use.

11871
06:43:38,101 --> 06:43:39,200
So when looking out what the

11872
06:43:39,200 --> 06:43:40,702
uses are we looked at what is

11873
06:43:40,702 --> 06:43:42,605
the special use permit and what

11874
06:43:42,605 --> 06:43:44,274
do they have or what can they

11875
06:43:44,274 --> 06:43:47,377
already do so it would be a

11876
06:43:47,377 --> 06:43:48,440
compatible use.

11877
06:43:48,440 --> 06:43:51,440
We did your concern somebody

11878
06:43:56,853 --> 06:43:57,854
thought it could be in

11879
06:43:57,854 --> 06:43:58,454
convenience store or a shopping

11880
06:43:58,454 --> 06:44:01,324
center so we wanted to make

11881
06:44:01,324 --> 06:44:01,991
sure we limited those uses.

11882
06:44:01,991 --> 06:44:02,625
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

11883
06:44:02,625 --> 06:44:03,293
supervisor boddye.

11884
06:44:03,293 --> 06:44:03,526
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you

11885
06:44:03,526 --> 06:44:03,927
janelle.

11886
06:44:03,927 --> 06:44:05,328
Long time no see.

11887
06:44:05,328 --> 06:44:05,528
A couple questions

11888
06:44:05,528 --> 06:44:05,995
.

11889
06:44:05,995 --> 06:44:07,995
Transportation.

11890
06:44:12,969 --> 06:44:13,670
You talked about not only the

11891
06:44:13,670 --> 06:44:14,571
proffers to help enhance the

11892
06:44:14,571 --> 06:44:15,805
bus shelters but also that

11893
06:44:15,805 --> 06:44:16,972
center drive area there can you

11894
06:44:16,972 --> 06:44:18,473
talk more about that the

11895
06:44:18,473 --> 06:44:20,310
conversations we have had

11896
06:44:20,310 --> 06:44:22,310
.

11897
06:44:23,913 --> 06:44:28,113
>> we met with prt see on the

11898
06:44:31,920 --> 06:44:32,589
site and the transfer station.

11899
06:44:32,589 --> 06:44:33,523
They wanted to make sure with

11900
06:44:33,523 --> 06:44:35,290
this project and the other

11901
06:44:35,290 --> 06:44:35,992
project the transfer station

11902
06:44:35,992 --> 06:44:40,630
would be able to be located in

11903
06:44:40,630 --> 06:44:40,763
the vicinity.

11904
06:44:40,763 --> 06:44:42,465
Initially what was proposed is

11905
06:44:42,465 --> 06:44:44,865
that transfer station would

11906
06:44:45,268 --> 06:44:45,969
come into the site.

11907
06:44:45,969 --> 06:44:47,269
Omni ride came back and said we

11908
06:44:47,269 --> 06:44:50,869
don't want it in the site.

11909
06:44:51,507 --> 06:44:52,375
We want to keep it on galveston

11910
06:44:52,375 --> 06:44:55,445
court and we said great, we are

11911
06:44:55,445 --> 06:44:56,112
happy to do that.

11912
06:44:56,112 --> 06:44:56,946
There are not bus shelters

11913
06:44:56,946 --> 06:44:59,820
there so they are proffering

11914
06:44:59,820 --> 06:45:00,617
the monetary contribution to be

11915
06:45:00,617 --> 06:45:03,617
able to construct bus shelters

11916
06:45:07,490 --> 06:45:07,891
where they see fit

11917
06:45:07,891 --> 06:45:08,925
.

11918
06:45:08,925 --> 06:45:09,125
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you for

11919
06:45:09,125 --> 06:45:10,360
that.

11920
06:45:10,360 --> 06:45:11,600
Lets down transportation.

11921
06:45:11,600 --> 06:45:12,795
And you go back to what you're

11922
06:45:12,795 --> 06:45:15,331
talking about our round the

11923
06:45:15,331 --> 06:45:17,331
queens chapel.

11924
06:45:18,401 --> 06:45:19,102
And you repeat what your

11925
06:45:19,102 --> 06:45:21,304
improvements are going to do

11926
06:45:21,304 --> 06:45:24,304
for that intersection in its

11927
06:45:29,979 --> 06:45:30,313
performance?

11928
06:45:30,313 --> 06:45:31,514
>> yes.

11929
06:45:31,514 --> 06:45:31,814
The current access to dorrell

11930
06:45:31,814 --> 06:45:32,448
nor is here.

11931
06:45:32,448 --> 06:45:33,516
that is offset from the

11932
06:45:33,516 --> 06:45:34,117
intersection for the applicant

11933
06:45:34,117 --> 06:45:35,385
is proposing to construct

11934
06:45:35,385 --> 06:45:36,152
public road a cup of it is on

11935
06:45:36,152 --> 06:45:39,752
the side of the property line,

11936
06:45:40,890 --> 06:45:40,956
the other half of it is on the

11937
06:45:40,956 --> 06:45:41,791
squared side of the property

11938
06:45:41,791 --> 06:45:43,791
line.

11939
06:45:45,828 --> 06:45:47,296
What that does is it better

11940
06:45:47,296 --> 06:45:49,296
aligns the intersection

11941
06:45:50,990 --> 06:45:52,990
.

11942
06:45:52,101 --> 06:45:54,170
What it also does is it poles

11943
06:45:54,170 --> 06:45:57,170
people coming from the moss

11944
06:46:00,209 --> 06:46:01,770
further into the site and so

11945
06:46:01,770 --> 06:46:01,744
right now you can come in and

11946
06:46:01,744 --> 06:46:05,344
turn left here or you come

11947
06:46:05,348 --> 06:46:06,490
straight back and turned left.

11948
06:46:06,490 --> 06:46:06,849
What this does is you come in

11949
06:46:06,849 --> 06:46:08,451
and go straight and as a

11950
06:46:08,451 --> 06:46:11,451
designated left turn lane into

11951
06:46:11,955 --> 06:46:12,822
the site so it is pulling

11952
06:46:12,822 --> 06:46:13,957
vehicles further from the

11953
06:46:13,957 --> 06:46:15,558
intersection.

11954
06:46:15,558 --> 06:46:15,825
When we looked at this

11955
06:46:15,825 --> 06:46:17,825
, it's a

11956
06:46:18,727 --> 06:46:21,727
48 reduction in time that you

11957
06:46:24,968 --> 06:46:25,969
are waiting at that light in

11958
06:46:25,969 --> 06:46:28,369
the pmp cassette 24.8 second

11959
06:46:29,706 --> 06:46:30,173
reduction that you are waiting

11960
06:46:30,173 --> 06:46:32,173
on that line.

11961
06:46:33,243 --> 06:46:34,110
And then on fridays because

11962
06:46:34,110 --> 06:46:38,248
that is the main day for the

11963
06:46:38,248 --> 06:46:39,150
moss, it's a 37 second

11964
06:46:39,150 --> 06:46:39,749
reduction in the delay that you

11965
06:46:39,749 --> 06:46:40,830
are waiting at that

11966
06:46:40,830 --> 06:46:40,950
intersection.

11967
06:46:40,950 --> 06:46:42,950
>> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

11968
06:46:43,186 --> 06:46:43,920
that.

11969
06:46:43,920 --> 06:46:46,489
On the slide you have a you

11970
06:46:46,489 --> 06:46:50,689
show it connects all the way to

11971
06:46:51,227 --> 06:46:52,228
galveston.

11972
06:46:52,228 --> 06:46:53,960
What does that do for the

11973
06:46:53,960 --> 06:46:53,663
connectivity and folks

11974
06:46:53,663 --> 06:46:56,630
concerned about the traffic

11975
06:46:59,402 --> 06:47:00,403
around the mosque?

11976
06:47:00,403 --> 06:47:01,104
>> what happens is when you're

11977
06:47:01,104 --> 06:47:01,771
coming out it is controlled by

11978
06:47:01,771 --> 06:47:01,971
the police

11979
06:47:01,971 --> 06:47:02,972
!

11980
06:47:02,972 --> 06:47:05,675
There is a police car here and

11981
06:47:05,675 --> 06:47:08,611
then there are police cars or

11982
06:47:08,611 --> 06:47:09,312
cars here.

11983
06:47:09,312 --> 06:47:12,312
What's happening now as they

11984
06:47:14,517 --> 06:47:15,217
come out during friday's.

11985
06:47:15,217 --> 06:47:16,920
When you come out if you want

11986
06:47:16,920 --> 06:47:17,220
to go back to prince william

11987
06:47:17,220 --> 06:47:19,220
pkwy.

11988
06:47:20,723 --> 06:47:22,250
You are making that you turn

11989
06:47:22,250 --> 06:47:25,250
here which ultimately is a

11990
06:47:26,596 --> 06:47:27,730
delay for people on ross creek

11991
06:47:27,730 --> 06:47:31,930
or webster way trying to make a

11992
06:47:32,602 --> 06:47:33,269
left out of their development.

11993
06:47:33,269 --> 06:47:34,103
What this does is creates a

11994
06:47:34,103 --> 06:47:34,804
street network so what the

11995
06:47:34,804 --> 06:47:38,404
police could do is instead of

11996
06:47:44,914 --> 06:47:46,914
making the u-turn

11997
06:47:47,749 --> 06:47:48,651
, people can

11998
06:47:48,651 --> 06:47:49,519
come down here and come out at

11999
06:47:49,519 --> 06:47:50,153
galveston to make that left so

12000
06:47:50,153 --> 06:47:51,187
it provides another option is

12001
06:47:51,187 --> 06:47:52,121
an opportunity for police when

12002
06:47:52,121 --> 06:47:55,121
they are doing the traffic

12003
06:47:55,792 --> 06:47:56,759
management plan to determine

12004
06:47:56,759 --> 06:47:57,660
the best way to get people back

12005
06:47:57,660 --> 06:47:58,561
to the parkway commitment this

12006
06:47:58,561 --> 06:48:01,664
way it avoids making the u-turn

12007
06:48:01,664 --> 06:48:02,398
movement.

12008
06:48:02,398 --> 06:48:03,320
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you for

12009
06:48:03,320 --> 06:48:03,666
that.

12010
06:48:03,666 --> 06:48:04,167
Ow to move quickly to

12011
06:48:04,167 --> 06:48:05,168
environmental.

12012
06:48:05,168 --> 06:48:05,868
Talked about the parental

12013
06:48:05,868 --> 06:48:06,803
protections in the enhancement

12014
06:48:06,803 --> 06:48:08,137
the applicant is going to be

12015
06:48:08,137 --> 06:48:09,205
doing

12016
06:48:09,205 --> 06:48:10,139
.

12017
06:48:10,139 --> 06:48:13,610
Any talk about the timing as it

12018
06:48:13,610 --> 06:48:14,510
pertains to the storm water

12019
06:48:14,510 --> 06:48:15,111
management, the water

12020
06:48:15,111 --> 06:48:17,347
protections in the delay

12021
06:48:17,347 --> 06:48:17,814
between when you put it in and

12022
06:48:17,814 --> 06:48:20,214
staff is a bit?

12023
06:48:20,783 --> 06:48:21,751
What is being

12024
06:48:21,751 --> 06:48:24,751
reflected in the previous staff

12025
06:48:25,188 --> 06:48:27,188
report?

12026
06:48:28,891 --> 06:48:29,826
>> what is being reflected in

12027
06:48:29,826 --> 06:48:32,826
the previous staff report does

12028
06:48:33,563 --> 06:48:33,863
not have that lad change

12029
06:48:33,863 --> 06:48:34,831
.

12030
06:48:34,831 --> 06:48:35,365
At the planning commission the

12031
06:48:35,365 --> 06:48:36,966
proffers still have the

12032
06:48:36,966 --> 06:48:38,701
nutrient credit in the

12033
06:48:38,701 --> 06:48:40,701
phosphorus reduction.

12034
06:48:43,840 --> 06:48:44,741
What watersheds staff wanted us

12035
06:48:44,741 --> 06:48:47,277
to do was be clear with the 60

12036
06:48:47,277 --> 06:48:48,110
percent meant.

12037
06:48:48,110 --> 06:48:51,110
That's basically a reduction in

12038
06:48:52,982 --> 06:48:53,683
34 pounds.

12039
06:48:53,683 --> 06:48:53,883
>> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

12040
06:48:53,883 --> 06:48:54,651
that.

12041
06:48:54,651 --> 06:48:55,585
I wanted to see if a consultant

12042
06:48:55,585 --> 06:48:59,185
wanted to add anything else to

12043
06:48:59,455 --> 06:48:59,955
the water quality conversation.

12044
06:48:59,955 --> 06:49:00,890
>> matt marshall.

12045
06:49:00,890 --> 06:49:02,890
N the

12046
06:49:03,426 --> 06:49:04,270
engineer for the applicant.

12047
06:49:04,270 --> 06:49:05,193
There are two parts.

12048
06:49:05,193 --> 06:49:05,962
Number one is about the

12049
06:49:05,962 --> 06:49:08,465
settlement basin we are talking

12050
06:49:08,465 --> 06:49:09,980
about.

12051
06:49:09,980 --> 06:49:12,980
We are building a permanent

12052
06:49:14,370 --> 06:49:15,305
pond in phase 1. In lieu of

12053
06:49:15,305 --> 06:49:16,172
billing and settlement trapper

12054
06:49:16,172 --> 06:49:16,372
basin and then building the

12055
06:49:16,372 --> 06:49:18,372
pond.

12056
06:49:23,179 --> 06:49:24,213
So you only have to do it once.

12057
06:49:24,213 --> 06:49:26,820
Minimize the amount of sediment

12058
06:49:26,820 --> 06:49:27,517
that can migrate downstream in

12059
06:49:27,517 --> 06:49:28,151
the permanent pond also has

12060
06:49:28,151 --> 06:49:28,750
tripled the capacity of what it

12061
06:49:28,750 --> 06:49:29,519
would have allowing for more

12062
06:49:29,519 --> 06:49:30,119
storage and settlement

12063
06:49:30,119 --> 06:49:32,120
materials to the bond.

12064
06:49:32,120 --> 06:49:32,689
Number two relative to quality.

12065
06:49:32,689 --> 06:49:33,523
We are deploying treatment

12066
06:49:33,523 --> 06:49:35,857
degree of underground storm

12067
06:49:35,857 --> 06:49:38,257
water management and something

12068
06:49:41,364 --> 06:49:42,465
else we are using called an mtd

12069
06:49:42,465 --> 06:49:42,732
someone referencing them as a

12070
06:49:42,732 --> 06:49:44,167
jellyfish.

12071
06:49:44,167 --> 06:49:47,167
It helps improve the water

12072
06:49:47,503 --> 06:49:49,138
quality, significantly above

12073
06:49:49,138 --> 06:49:49,739
what is required by the minimum

12074
06:49:49,739 --> 06:49:50,106
code and that is what we are

12075
06:49:50,106 --> 06:49:52,106
proposing here.

12076
06:49:53,643 --> 06:49:53,910
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

12077
06:49:53,910 --> 06:49:54,911
all right.

12078
06:49:54,911 --> 06:49:55,310
To be have anyone else with any

12079
06:49:55,310 --> 06:49:55,745
questions?

12080
06:49:55,745 --> 06:49:57,745
Supervisor vega?

12081
06:49:59,949 --> 06:50:01,170
before can you address some of

12082
06:50:01,170 --> 06:50:04,170
the questions from folks who

12083
06:50:05,655 --> 06:50:06,656
talk about the 60 percent you

12084
06:50:06,656 --> 06:50:07,357
are leaving undisturbed in

12085
06:50:07,357 --> 06:50:09,559
regards to how much of that can

12086
06:50:09,559 --> 06:50:10,293
be built on?

12087
06:50:10,293 --> 06:50:11,261
And if we can pull it up on the

12088
06:50:11,261 --> 06:50:13,261
map

12089
06:50:15,310 --> 06:50:16,900
.

12090
06:50:16,900 --> 06:50:17,660
>> there been questions

12091
06:50:17,660 --> 06:50:19,660
.

12092
06:50:19,168 --> 06:50:21,671
I think supervisor vega what

12093
06:50:21,671 --> 06:50:23,907
you are getting to is our

12094
06:50:23,907 --> 06:50:25,708
limits and development is

12095
06:50:25,708 --> 06:50:29,308
essentially a gray line here in

12096
06:50:33,316 --> 06:50:34,170
the question or comment I thank

12097
06:50:34,170 --> 06:50:34,817
you were getting to is you are

12098
06:50:34,817 --> 06:50:35,451
saving it but you couldn't

12099
06:50:35,451 --> 06:50:36,190
build on that anyways.

12100
06:50:36,190 --> 06:50:36,386
Is that correct?

12101
06:50:36,386 --> 06:50:38,386
>> yes.

12102
06:50:41,323 --> 06:50:44,794
>> so the acreage that we are

12103
06:50:44,794 --> 06:50:47,497
preserving is a little bit

12104
06:50:47,497 --> 06:50:49,497
under 18 acres undisturbed.

12105
06:50:50,660 --> 06:50:51,334
Actual rpa area I believe is

12106
06:50:51,334 --> 06:50:53,734
somewhere in the neighborhood

12107
06:50:58,410 --> 06:50:58,975
of 4 to 6 acres victor is

12108
06:50:58,975 --> 06:51:00,343
actually 12+ acres of

12109
06:51:00,343 --> 06:51:00,843
developable that are going to

12110
06:51:00,843 --> 06:51:02,843
be undisturbed.

12111
06:51:04,347 --> 06:51:05,480
Anomaly undisturbed.

12112
06:51:05,480 --> 06:51:07,817
We have proffered to put them

12113
06:51:07,817 --> 06:51:08,718
in a conservation trust that

12114
06:51:08,718 --> 06:51:11,718
will remain as undisturbed in

12115
06:51:18,161 --> 06:51:19,128
perpetuity.

12116
06:51:19,128 --> 06:51:19,629
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

12117
06:51:19,629 --> 06:51:20,263
anything else.

12118
06:51:20,263 --> 06:51:20,997
>> Yesli Vega: I think I

12119
06:51:20,997 --> 06:51:21,598
misspoke.

12120
06:51:21,598 --> 06:51:22,970
I think I said 60 acres.

12121
06:51:22,970 --> 06:51:24,970
60 percent.

12122
06:51:24,434 --> 06:51:24,934
I just wanted to

12123
06:51:24,934 --> 06:51:26,236
correct myself.

12124
06:51:26,236 --> 06:51:26,970
Thank you.

12125
06:51:26,970 --> 06:51:28,970
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

12126
06:51:29,204 --> 06:51:32,804
I would like to invite the

12127
06:51:54,397 --> 06:51:56,397
county to present.

12128
06:51:56,399 --> 06:51:58,399
>> good evening.

12129
06:51:59,135 --> 06:52:02,135
Case planner for the cpa

12130
06:52:06,208 --> 06:52:06,910
request.

12131
06:52:06,910 --> 06:52:09,120
this is to change long-range

12132
06:52:09,120 --> 06:52:12,612
land use of the property of

12133
06:52:19,255 --> 06:52:20,156
almost 48 acres to mu3.

12134
06:52:20,156 --> 06:52:20,356
Pc recommend denial for this

12135
06:52:20,356 --> 06:52:22,910
case.

12136
06:52:22,910 --> 06:52:24,491
Staff recommends approval of

12137
06:52:25,461 --> 06:52:27,461
the cpa.

12138
06:52:30,500 --> 06:52:31,334
The slideshows existing

12139
06:52:31,334 --> 06:52:33,102
long-range land use and

12140
06:52:33,102 --> 06:52:35,171
proposed for this request.

12141
06:52:35,171 --> 06:52:37,171
As you see

12142
06:52:37,240 --> 06:52:39,640
, the area on the

12143
06:52:40,510 --> 06:52:44,110
north and east side plan for

12144
06:52:44,213 --> 06:52:47,183
orpa in the west side and south

12145
06:52:47,183 --> 06:52:47,584
side are planned

12146
06:52:47,584 --> 06:52:49,584
.

12147
06:52:51,421 --> 06:52:52,522
This slide compares long-range

12148
06:52:52,522 --> 06:52:54,522
land use

12149
06:52:58,940 --> 06:52:58,861
, existing as you see

12150
06:52:58,861 --> 06:53:00,861
,

12151
06:53:02,310 --> 06:53:02,832
it is plan to protect occoquan

12152
06:53:02,832 --> 06:53:05,232
reservoir by reducing density

12153
06:53:06,369 --> 06:53:10,569
in the area to one dwelling per

12154
06:53:11,574 --> 06:53:12,542
five acres and recommended

12155
06:53:12,542 --> 06:53:16,742
space for the land use up to 60

12156
06:53:20,617 --> 06:53:21,117
percent in the primary use is

12157
06:53:21,117 --> 06:53:22,652
residential.

12158
06:53:22,652 --> 06:53:25,652
And primary use is residential

12159
06:53:27,490 --> 06:53:29,890
and minimum spaces 30 percent

12160
06:53:34,664 --> 06:53:35,198
and density is 1 to 4 dwelling

12161
06:53:35,198 --> 06:53:37,198
per acre.

12162
06:53:38,660 --> 06:53:41,660
For mu3, the primary uses

12163
06:53:42,772 --> 06:53:43,672
residential and commercial and

12164
06:53:43,672 --> 06:53:44,173
office use densities 4 to 12

12165
06:53:44,173 --> 06:53:46,173
dwelling per acre.

12166
06:53:53,583 --> 06:53:55,983
The applicant 90 don't 12 and

12167
06:54:00,122 --> 06:54:01,224
seven dwelling and land baby

12168
06:54:01,224 --> 06:54:03,260
which the residential land with

12169
06:54:03,260 --> 06:54:05,260
a proposal.

12170
06:54:07,530 --> 06:54:09,530
To provide 67 percent 56

12171
06:54:10,599 --> 06:54:13,599
percent open space in the

12172
06:54:17,706 --> 06:54:18,708
rezoning property and also they

12173
06:54:18,708 --> 06:54:20,900
going to build 265 dwelling in

12174
06:54:20,900 --> 06:54:20,176
their application

12175
06:54:20,176 --> 06:54:21,144
.

12176
06:54:21,144 --> 06:54:23,144
10 percent defined as

12177
06:54:27,517 --> 06:54:28,117
affordable units.

12178
06:54:28,117 --> 06:54:31,200
There are some of this

12179
06:54:31,200 --> 06:54:32,210
application.

12180
06:54:32,210 --> 06:54:34,421
In the proposal includes

12181
06:54:36,192 --> 06:54:36,826
development

12182
06:54:36,826 --> 06:54:38,610
, some alarmingly

12183
06:54:38,610 --> 06:54:41,610
sensitive areas shown here and

12184
06:54:42,966 --> 06:54:43,967
here and they provide a buffer

12185
06:54:43,967 --> 06:54:44,867
as recommended by the board in

12186
06:54:44,867 --> 06:54:46,867
the initiation process.

12187
06:54:48,605 --> 06:54:50,605
The

12188
06:54:51,975 --> 06:54:52,874
applicant also expands the

12189
06:54:52,874 --> 06:54:55,645
request in the zoning and on

12190
06:54:55,645 --> 06:54:56,346
the property which makes

12191
06:54:56,346 --> 06:54:59,346
consistency in the boundary of

12192
06:55:00,549 --> 06:55:01,283
the request

12193
06:55:01,283 --> 06:55:01,918
, the boundary of

12194
06:55:01,918 --> 06:55:02,285
the cpa request and zoning

12195
06:55:02,285 --> 06:55:04,285
request.

12196
06:55:07,230 --> 06:55:07,957
And also, the ad commercial use

12197
06:55:07,957 --> 06:55:11,557
which is not discussed in the

12198
06:55:11,760 --> 06:55:15,360
process and its intense use in

12199
06:55:18,334 --> 06:55:20,334
orpa.

12200
06:55:24,340 --> 06:55:25,208
The applicant provides mix of

12201
06:55:25,208 --> 06:55:25,975
residential housing including

12202
06:55:25,975 --> 06:55:27,975
affordable units

12203
06:55:28,770 --> 06:55:30,770
, addressing

12204
06:55:31,581 --> 06:55:31,681
the county housing needs

12205
06:55:31,681 --> 06:55:33,681
.

12206
06:55:37,186 --> 06:55:38,187
The request also in support

12207
06:55:38,187 --> 06:55:40,523
mixed-use development in the

12208
06:55:40,523 --> 06:55:42,859
area in line at the smart

12209
06:55:42,859 --> 06:55:45,259
growth and policy conference

12210
06:55:47,397 --> 06:55:48,640
and plan the applicant

12211
06:55:48,640 --> 06:55:50,464
committed to preserve to

12212
06:55:52,468 --> 06:55:53,937
provide 60 percent open space

12213
06:55:53,937 --> 06:55:56,937
and protect 60 percent which is

12214
06:55:57,640 --> 06:56:00,400
36 percent undisturbed in the

12215
06:56:03,120 --> 06:56:05,120
request.

12216
06:56:05,682 --> 06:56:07,682
Staff recommends approval

12217
06:56:10,920 --> 06:56:11,921
.

12218
06:56:11,921 --> 06:56:12,589
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

12219
06:56:12,589 --> 06:56:16,189
does anyone on the dais have

12220
06:56:19,128 --> 06:56:20,863
any questions.

12221
06:56:20,863 --> 06:56:22,863
Supervisor vega

12222
06:56:23,566 --> 06:56:23,700
?

12223
06:56:23,700 --> 06:56:25,700
?

12224
06:56:27,770 --> 06:56:30,170
>> Yesli Vega: MR. Cobra

12225
06:56:32,775 --> 06:56:33,776
.

12226
06:56:33,776 --> 06:56:34,430
We didn't hear your name at the

12227
06:56:34,430 --> 06:56:36,430
beginning.

12228
06:56:36,346 --> 06:56:38,214
>> rizo

12229
06:56:38,214 --> 06:56:40,214
.

12230
06:56:42,452 --> 06:56:43,152
>> Ricardo Canizales: okay.

12231
06:56:43,152 --> 06:56:45,821
can you refresh my memory and

12232
06:56:45,821 --> 06:56:48,821
tell me what the primary

12233
06:56:50,560 --> 06:56:51,561
purpose of the orpa is?

12234
06:56:51,561 --> 06:56:54,130
>> to reduce density and have

12235
06:56:54,130 --> 06:56:57,730
one dwelling per five acre to

12236
06:56:58,301 --> 06:57:00,301
protect occoquan reservoir.

12237
06:57:00,904 --> 06:57:03,304
>> wise occoquan reservoir so

12238
06:57:05,800 --> 06:57:06,900
crucial for our county.

12239
06:57:06,900 --> 06:57:09,609
>> the main source of water in

12240
06:57:13,515 --> 06:57:14,517
our county and the main idea

12241
06:57:14,517 --> 06:57:17,517
for orpa is reducing pollution

12242
06:57:17,554 --> 06:57:20,554
in the watershed and also

12243
06:57:30,133 --> 06:57:30,800
manage water with low density

12244
06:57:30,800 --> 06:57:31,701
manage occoquan reservoir.

12245
06:57:31,701 --> 06:57:32,368
>> Yesli Vega: thank you.

12246
06:57:32,368 --> 06:57:33,636
That is all I have for now.

12247
06:57:33,636 --> 06:57:34,337
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

12248
06:57:34,337 --> 06:57:35,203
supervisor boddye than bailey.

12249
06:57:35,203 --> 06:57:35,638
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you

12250
06:57:35,638 --> 06:57:36,139
messenger.

12251
06:57:36,139 --> 06:57:38,539
Thank you for your

12252
06:57:41,477 --> 06:57:41,978
presentation.

12253
06:57:41,978 --> 06:57:42,712
Appreciate you.

12254
06:57:42,712 --> 06:57:43,613
You have not been doing this in

12255
06:57:43,613 --> 06:57:45,148
front of the board very long so

12256
06:57:45,148 --> 06:57:46,649
good job so far. You back off

12257
06:57:46,649 --> 06:57:49,490
what supervisor vega asked.

12258
06:57:51,554 --> 06:57:52,255
Because of the unique nature

12259
06:57:52,255 --> 06:57:53,560
why did you decide to require

12260
06:57:53,560 --> 06:57:56,560
in the 60 percent of the

12261
06:57:56,926 --> 06:57:59,926
current area to be undisturbed

12262
06:58:07,237 --> 06:58:07,804
to be open space.

12263
06:58:07,804 --> 06:58:08,238
That 60 percent to be

12264
06:58:08,238 --> 06:58:08,938
undisturbed.

12265
06:58:08,938 --> 06:58:09,739
>> this strategy we wanted to

12266
06:58:09,739 --> 06:58:10,739
mitigate the impact of the

12267
06:58:10,739 --> 06:58:10,940
development by protecting some

12268
06:58:10,940 --> 06:58:11,741
area.

12269
06:58:11,741 --> 06:58:14,877
First for the widening of the

12270
06:58:14,877 --> 06:58:16,179
space and protecting the

12271
06:58:16,179 --> 06:58:17,914
watershed by making them

12272
06:58:17,914 --> 06:58:19,914
undisturbed

12273
06:58:20,917 --> 06:58:21,918
.

12274
06:58:21,918 --> 06:58:24,787
We don't have any authority to

12275
06:58:24,787 --> 06:58:25,688
protect the property owner can

12276
06:58:25,688 --> 06:58:29,288
do what they want to do.

12277
06:58:32,128 --> 06:58:33,195
But my proffering we can better

12278
06:58:33,195 --> 06:58:35,195
management

12279
06:58:40,669 --> 06:58:41,304
.

12280
06:58:41,304 --> 06:58:42,170
>> Kenny Boddye: can you

12281
06:58:42,170 --> 06:58:42,505
complete that in a slightly

12282
06:58:42,505 --> 06:58:43,306
different way?

12283
06:58:43,306 --> 06:58:43,840
We do not have a zoning

12284
06:58:43,840 --> 06:58:45,840
district for orpa.

12285
06:58:47,944 --> 06:58:48,811
Of any protections would be

12286
06:58:48,811 --> 06:58:49,445
able to impose upon them for

12287
06:58:49,445 --> 06:58:51,445
the water supply?

12288
06:58:53,820 --> 06:58:55,820
>> no.

12289
06:58:55,351 --> 06:58:56,953
>> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

12290
06:58:56,953 --> 06:58:58,855
that

12291
06:58:58,855 --> 06:59:00,855
.

12292
06:59:03,526 --> 06:59:04,460
As we talked about slopes and

12293
06:59:04,460 --> 06:59:05,161
other things because we talked

12294
06:59:05,161 --> 06:59:05,360
about the level of protections

12295
06:59:05,360 --> 06:59:06,129
that

12296
06:59:06,129 --> 06:59:06,996
the applicant is proposing

12297
06:59:06,996 --> 06:59:08,996
for this.

12298
06:59:12,402 --> 06:59:16,200
Other elements he would like to

12299
06:59:16,773 --> 06:59:19,173
see in future proposals?

12300
06:59:20,910 --> 06:59:21,277
>> I am a member of a resident

12301
06:59:21,277 --> 06:59:23,277
group.

12302
06:59:27,450 --> 06:59:28,151
One of the main concerns is the

12303
06:59:28,151 --> 06:59:30,151
development.

12304
06:59:32,989 --> 06:59:35,989
So I think reducing salt

12305
06:59:38,610 --> 06:59:40,830
pollution in the water is the

12306
06:59:40,830 --> 06:59:41,731
main factor we need to take

12307
06:59:41,731 --> 06:59:43,731
care of

12308
06:59:45,835 --> 06:59:46,469
.

12309
06:59:46,469 --> 06:59:47,303
>> Kenny Boddye: my last

12310
06:59:47,303 --> 06:59:50,303
question goes to looking at

12311
06:59:50,840 --> 06:59:51,541
this more holistically.

12312
06:59:51,541 --> 06:59:52,342
We talked about maple valley

12313
06:59:52,342 --> 06:59:53,376
grove and the connections here

12314
06:59:53,376 --> 06:59:56,376
in the shopping center what

12315
06:59:57,847 --> 06:59:58,915
have you.

12316
06:59:58,915 --> 06:59:59,581
In your opinion, how does this

12317
06:59:59,581 --> 07:00:00,617
make a cohesive area given the

12318
07:00:00,617 --> 07:00:01,317
applicant talked about the fact

12319
07:00:01,317 --> 07:00:04,254
they change their unit mix to

12320
07:00:04,254 --> 07:00:04,520
be a more cohesive holistic

12321
07:00:04,520 --> 07:00:06,520
community?

12322
07:00:13,428 --> 07:00:15,828
>> they protect the northern

12323
07:00:16,320 --> 07:00:19,632
part of the property that has

12324
07:00:20,803 --> 07:00:23,600
more major trees and south of

12325
07:00:23,600 --> 07:00:26,600
the property is planned for

12326
07:00:27,510 --> 07:00:29,510
mainly residential.

12327
07:00:31,180 --> 07:00:32,215
And they are using some area

12328
07:00:32,215 --> 07:00:35,815
and connecting to mu3 this area

12329
07:00:38,870 --> 07:00:38,788
close to commercial park.

12330
07:00:38,788 --> 07:00:42,659
I think this is a good design

12331
07:00:42,659 --> 07:00:44,659
for this development.

12332
07:00:45,594 --> 07:00:49,194
And the location is very close

12333
07:00:49,265 --> 07:00:51,265
to mu3.

12334
07:00:52,268 --> 07:00:55,868
And helps to have a mixture

12335
07:00:56,806 --> 07:00:58,806
development there.

12336
07:01:00,777 --> 07:01:01,778
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you.

12337
07:01:01,778 --> 07:01:02,245
>> tonya washington planning

12338
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director.

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I just wanted to add in looking

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at the bigger context, I think

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that's the question you are

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asking about.

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This area, I don't know if it's

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in the presentation but in the

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previous one when you saw the

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mu3 areas, essentially they are

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so directed toward prince

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william pkwy. And hoadley road.

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This is essentially a site

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extension of that but it is

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including

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, if you also consider

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the 60 percent of that area and

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does open space it's creating a

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07:01:37,113 --> 07:01:39,513
cluster development closer to

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the roads.

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And so it is sort of building

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off of the mu3 focus closer to

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the prince william pkwy.

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And the government center

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activity center

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.

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Which is a crossed the major

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07:01:54,964 --> 07:01:56,964
intersection.

12365
07:01:59,502 --> 07:02:00,737
It's creating a more cluster

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07:02:00,737 --> 07:02:03,737
development around the area but

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with that cpa request still

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07:02:08,411 --> 07:02:11,411
preserving the area is open

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07:02:11,647 --> 07:02:12,381
space.

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07:02:12,381 --> 07:02:14,984
>> Kenny Boddye: very last one

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can you talk about the density

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07:02:17,687 --> 07:02:20,657
a crossed hoadley and the

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differences between the density

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a crossed the street and then

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07:02:34,370 --> 07:02:35,400
density here at hoadley square?

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07:02:35,400 --> 07:02:35,638
>> supervisor boddye, alex from

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the planning office.

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On the other side of hoadley we

12379
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have housing stock as well.

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We do have

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apartments.

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We do have townhouses as well

12383
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as single-family detached.

12384
07:02:51,187 --> 07:02:52,922
This adds to the element.

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In particular this one

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supplements what we have on the

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other side of hoadley road.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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supervisor bailey then vega

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.

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07:03:07,870 --> 07:03:10,270
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

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thank you MADAM Chair.

12393
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Wanted to ask

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, slide number

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seven

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, the environmental

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commitment.

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.

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Yes, that one.

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Was 60 percent open space about

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07:03:32,996 --> 07:03:34,996
30 percent

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.

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>> 60 percent of that 60

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percent should to be

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undisturbed.

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07:03:46,676 --> 07:03:47,977
60 percent of 60 percent means

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36 percent

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.

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>> Andrea Bailey, Vice

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Chair:.You.

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And the other question I have

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is where there is an expansion

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07:04:05,940 --> 07:04:09,294
of the road by the door eleanor

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piece, we've been talking about

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07:04:10,733 --> 07:04:14,333
the last three or four years

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07:04:15,638 --> 07:04:16,806
the congestion there.

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07:04:16,806 --> 07:04:18,730
Will that additional expansion

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07:04:18,730 --> 07:04:21,730
allow for less congestion in

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07:04:27,317 --> 07:04:28,284
that area?

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Because I know there is no

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light there.

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07:04:34,824 --> 07:04:38,424
>> since we looked at the cpa

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in tandem we recommend is that

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rezoning would have to mitigate

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any impacts to the road

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network.

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>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

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it helps though?

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07:04:55,440 --> 07:04:57,440
>> yes.

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>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

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the other piece I want to ask

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about, the presentation

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mentioned there was a private

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07:04:59,849 --> 07:05:04,490
clubhouse that is a part of the

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project.

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Is there a spot I recall open

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07:05:06,189 --> 07:05:09,789
to the public in that area

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also?

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07:05:11,600 --> 07:05:13,460
>> supervisor bailey, we still

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have to do a presentation on

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the rezoning application and so

12442
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your question might be to that

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part.

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That combines a plan amendment.

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>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

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will hold it until then.

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07:05:24,807 --> 07:05:26,542
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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07:05:26,542 --> 07:05:26,776
supervisor vega

12449
07:05:26,776 --> 07:05:27,777
.

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07:05:27,777 --> 07:05:30,777
>> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM

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Chair.

12452
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[Name] And got it right.

12453
07:05:35,510 --> 07:05:38,651
Just as a follow-up to a

12454
07:05:40,123 --> 07:05:41,240
comment

12455
07:05:41,240 --> 07:05:41,925
, what would buy right

12456
07:05:41,925 --> 07:05:44,925
density look like in comparison

12457
07:05:45,610 --> 07:05:47,610
to this project?

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07:05:47,196 --> 07:05:49,596
>> comprehensive plan is a

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guideline.

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07:05:52,468 --> 07:05:56,680
By right densities is a zoning

12461
07:05:59,441 --> 07:06:00,760
issue.

12462
07:06:00,760 --> 07:06:01,110
And now it is one and they

12463
07:06:01,110 --> 07:06:04,110
request to rezone the property.

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By right it is a one.

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>> Yesli Vega: for later?

12466
07:06:07,917 --> 07:06:09,917
Fair enough.

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07:06:12,255 --> 07:06:13,256
I will ask it then.

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07:06:13,256 --> 07:06:13,556
But can I have watershed

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management.

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Db have somebody here?

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>> we do.

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07:06:30,940 --> 07:06:31,941
We have claymore.

12473
07:06:31,941 --> 07:06:33,900
>> what protects the watershed

12474
07:06:33,900 --> 07:06:35,900
better.

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07:06:38,448 --> 07:06:38,714
Development of the sort

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07:06:38,714 --> 07:06:39,983
?

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07:06:39,983 --> 07:06:40,650
>> if you look at the intent it

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was meant to reduce

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imperviousness

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.

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07:06:46,122 --> 07:06:46,756
and that strategy could be for

12482
07:06:46,756 --> 07:06:49,156
infiltration as well as

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07:06:56,320 --> 07:06:57,320
stormwater management.

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07:06:57,320 --> 07:06:57,667
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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does anyone else have

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07:07:00,737 --> 07:07:02,737
questions?

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07:07:13,950 --> 07:07:15,950
You MAY resume.

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07:07:17,186 --> 07:07:19,186
>> hello everyone.

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Case planner of the trenton

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square application

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07:07:24,994 --> 07:07:26,994
.

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07:07:28,965 --> 07:07:29,632
The hoadley square application

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part of the zoning is located

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07:07:33,536 --> 07:07:37,136
north of hoadley road and south

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07:07:41,744 --> 07:07:42,445
of the prince william pkwy.

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07:07:42,445 --> 07:07:43,279
This is a rezoning application.

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07:07:43,279 --> 07:07:45,679
The applicant requests to

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rezone the 57.69 acres to pmr

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07:07:51,187 --> 07:07:53,587
planned mixed residential to

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07:07:56,559 --> 07:07:57,493
allow for development for

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07:07:57,493 --> 07:07:59,493
development of 279 residential

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07:07:59,494 --> 07:08:01,494
units

12503
07:08:02,632 --> 07:08:03,333
.

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07:08:03,333 --> 07:08:06,333
The zoning of the application

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07:08:11,774 --> 07:08:12,275
I'm talking about the boundary

12506
07:08:12,275 --> 07:08:12,942
of the rezoning.

12507
07:08:12,942 --> 07:08:13,843
As mentioned, the boundary of

12508
07:08:13,843 --> 07:08:17,443
the cpa is different from the

12509
07:08:19,849 --> 07:08:20,583
rezoning.

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07:08:20,583 --> 07:08:21,451
Most part of the application,

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07:08:21,451 --> 07:08:23,720
zoning of the application is a1

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07:08:23,720 --> 07:08:27,624
and we have it as r 1 in the

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07:08:27,624 --> 07:08:30,559
property located in the rest of

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07:08:30,559 --> 07:08:32,559
the project.

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07:08:33,363 --> 07:08:35,365
The land use of the application

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07:08:35,365 --> 07:08:38,365
is containing of three parts.

12517
07:08:43,439 --> 07:08:44,407
Orpa or in two mu3.

12518
07:08:44,407 --> 07:08:47,407
Again, the property on the

12519
07:08:48,978 --> 07:08:51,978
rezoning application is not a

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07:09:00,456 --> 07:09:01,157
cpa request to mu3.

12521
07:09:01,157 --> 07:09:04,157
Following the cpa request to

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07:09:06,930 --> 07:09:07,630
change the orpa with mixed use

12523
07:09:07,630 --> 07:09:10,300
neighborhood, the target land

12524
07:09:12,669 --> 07:09:15,669
use is 50 percent to 85 percent

12525
07:09:17,607 --> 07:09:18,541
for residential development and

12526
07:09:18,541 --> 07:09:20,941
10 percent to 45 percent for

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07:09:21,844 --> 07:09:22,812
nonresidential.

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07:09:22,812 --> 07:09:24,914
Primary use for single-family

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07:09:24,914 --> 07:09:24,981
detached

12530
07:09:24,981 --> 07:09:26,981
.

12531
07:09:30,286 --> 07:09:32,686
implementing zoning district is

12532
07:09:35,458 --> 07:09:38,458
for pmr in the target

12533
07:09:42,650 --> 07:09:43,533
residential density is 20 units

12534
07:09:43,533 --> 07:09:45,533
per acre

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07:09:46,502 --> 07:09:47,503
.

12536
07:09:47,503 --> 07:09:49,503
Application for rezoning

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07:09:51,374 --> 07:09:51,975
application the applicant

12538
07:09:51,975 --> 07:09:54,375
provides a mixed type

12539
07:09:54,644 --> 07:09:55,712
development.

12540
07:09:55,712 --> 07:09:58,712
This is a development for

12541
07:09:59,382 --> 07:10:01,382
residential and nonresidential

12542
07:10:05,955 --> 07:10:06,556
for 265 townhouse for duplex

12543
07:10:06,556 --> 07:10:07,457
and recreation area.

12544
07:10:07,457 --> 07:10:11,570
On the other hand the applicant

12545
07:10:13,620 --> 07:10:14,363
requests to provide the service

12546
07:10:14,363 --> 07:10:17,963
and the rest of the property

12547
07:10:20,803 --> 07:10:21,638
implementing zoning and provide

12548
07:10:21,638 --> 07:10:24,380
the density and rezoning

12549
07:10:24,307 --> 07:10:24,439
application is eight

12550
07:10:24,439 --> 07:10:25,608
.

12551
07:10:25,608 --> 07:10:28,800
That is completely consistent

12552
07:10:31,714 --> 07:10:32,548
density of the mu3.

12553
07:10:32,548 --> 07:10:34,948
The proposed rezoning is

12554
07:10:35,585 --> 07:10:38,321
consistent with mu3, but the

12555
07:10:38,321 --> 07:10:40,356
proposed designation is a

12556
07:10:40,356 --> 07:10:42,356
nonresidential development is

12557
07:10:44,827 --> 07:10:47,227
not consistent with mu3

12558
07:10:51,668 --> 07:10:52,335
designation.

12559
07:10:52,335 --> 07:10:53,136
To background and summary of

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07:10:53,136 --> 07:10:55,536
the development of the

12561
07:10:56,105 --> 07:10:58,105
application.

12562
07:10:59,509 --> 07:11:01,509
The applicant requests 432

12563
07:11:01,778 --> 07:11:03,778
units development

12564
07:11:05,448 --> 07:11:05,949
, just to type

12565
07:11:05,949 --> 07:11:07,949
of houses.

12566
07:11:12,789 --> 07:11:13,790
Multifamily and townhouse.

12567
07:11:13,790 --> 07:11:14,490
And in the second and third

12568
07:11:14,490 --> 07:11:16,960
submission the number of the

12569
07:11:16,960 --> 07:11:17,994
units reduced to 370 in the

12570
07:11:17,994 --> 07:11:20,994
last submission, the number of

12571
07:11:22,532 --> 07:11:25,532
the units to 279 in the

12572
07:11:26,970 --> 07:11:27,937
applicant completely changed

12573
07:11:27,937 --> 07:11:28,804
the multifamily tab the house

12574
07:11:28,804 --> 07:11:30,804
from the application.

12575
07:11:32,308 --> 07:11:35,308
Is means from the first

12576
07:11:36,346 --> 07:11:37,120
application to last, the

12577
07:11:37,120 --> 07:11:39,412
density of the application

12578
07:11:39,782 --> 07:11:41,782
reduced 35

12579
07:11:42,118 --> 07:11:42,819
.

12580
07:11:42,819 --> 07:11:43,887
As I mentioned the application

12581
07:11:43,887 --> 07:11:46,887
is contained on the residential

12582
07:11:50,560 --> 07:11:50,727
development

12583
07:11:50,727 --> 07:11:51,694
.

12584
07:11:51,694 --> 07:11:52,361
Nonresidential development is

12585
07:11:52,361 --> 07:11:55,361
containing in the two parts.

12586
07:11:55,632 --> 07:11:56,666
The applicant requests to onto

12587
07:11:56,666 --> 07:11:59,666
the kiosk and seasonal activity

12588
07:11:59,936 --> 07:12:00,937
in the other proposed

12589
07:12:00,937 --> 07:12:03,937
development in terms of the

12590
07:12:04,674 --> 07:12:05,341
nonresidential development is

12591
07:12:05,341 --> 07:12:06,509
related to the land bay that

12592
07:12:06,509 --> 07:12:08,909
they applicant proffers to

12593
07:12:11,881 --> 07:12:14,881
provide the b3 or retail

12594
07:12:15,785 --> 07:12:17,353
district in land bay d that I

12595
07:12:17,353 --> 07:12:19,753
mentioned is not consistent

12596
07:12:22,225 --> 07:12:23,226
.

12597
07:12:23,226 --> 07:12:25,626
In terms of residential

12598
07:12:26,229 --> 07:12:28,629
development, the application is

12599
07:12:30,533 --> 07:12:33,533
the total 279 units that is

12600
07:12:38,708 --> 07:12:39,420
contained in the 265 townhouse

12601
07:12:39,420 --> 07:12:39,776
and 14 duplex.

12602
07:12:39,776 --> 07:12:42,776
It means 95 percent of the

12603
07:12:43,279 --> 07:12:46,279
units are townhouse and five

12604
07:12:46,316 --> 07:12:48,716
percent of the units

12605
07:12:51,955 --> 07:12:52,955
single-family detached.

12606
07:12:52,955 --> 07:12:55,955
The weakness of the application

12607
07:12:59,495 --> 07:12:59,796
are concerned about the

12608
07:12:59,796 --> 07:13:00,630
application.

12609
07:13:00,630 --> 07:13:01,698
First of all, the first concern

12610
07:13:01,698 --> 07:13:04,698
and weakness of the application

12611
07:13:04,767 --> 07:13:07,167
is related to trafficking.

12612
07:13:08,471 --> 07:13:10,871
Proudly square application is

12613
07:13:11,441 --> 07:13:13,841
close to the mosque

12614
07:13:14,711 --> 07:13:16,711
, school and

12615
07:13:17,447 --> 07:13:19,447
commercial area.

12616
07:13:21,885 --> 07:13:23,586
So closing to this area would

12617
07:13:23,586 --> 07:13:25,986
increase the traffic congestion

12618
07:13:27,390 --> 07:13:29,390
.

12619
07:13:32,896 --> 07:13:33,696
The other concern of the

12620
07:13:33,696 --> 07:13:34,964
application is related to the

12621
07:13:34,964 --> 07:13:37,267
land of a. As I mentioned, the

12622
07:13:37,267 --> 07:13:38,268
applicant proffered to provide

12623
07:13:38,268 --> 07:13:40,268
the nonresidential development

12624
07:13:43,573 --> 07:13:44,607
in this area.

12625
07:13:44,607 --> 07:13:45,475
The applicant proffered and for

12626
07:13:45,475 --> 07:13:47,310
what type of the development,

12627
07:13:47,310 --> 07:13:50,910
but in the exact development on

12628
07:13:53,349 --> 07:13:54,350
the exact purpose of the

12629
07:13:54,350 --> 07:13:56,750
nonresidential didn't detain by

12630
07:13:57,720 --> 07:13:58,420
the applicant.

12631
07:13:58,420 --> 07:14:01,230
so staff needs to have wendy

12632
07:14:01,230 --> 07:14:04,230
dylan information to review the

12633
07:14:05,595 --> 07:14:06,563
type development to review and

12634
07:14:06,563 --> 07:14:08,963
analyze the design standards

12635
07:14:09,766 --> 07:14:10,633
all to ensure all the

12636
07:14:10,633 --> 07:14:12,633
necessaries consistent with

12637
07:14:18,641 --> 07:14:18,942
development regulation

12638
07:14:18,942 --> 07:14:19,876
.

12639
07:14:19,876 --> 07:14:20,443
Staff needs to be consistent

12640
07:14:20,443 --> 07:14:22,843
potential impact of the

12641
07:14:23,246 --> 07:14:25,246
nonresidential development on

12642
07:14:30,687 --> 07:14:31,421
adjacent area.

12643
07:14:31,421 --> 07:14:32,155
School impacted.

12644
07:14:32,155 --> 07:14:34,724
This would confirm that this

12645
07:14:34,724 --> 07:14:36,226
application the future student

12646
07:14:36,226 --> 07:14:38,940
for the future student

12647
07:14:38,940 --> 07:14:40,494
generated but the application

12648
07:14:40,630 --> 07:14:42,980
is not in the space for

12649
07:14:42,980 --> 07:14:44,498
elementary school and high

12650
07:14:47,303 --> 07:14:48,710
school.

12651
07:14:48,710 --> 07:14:51,474
Some of the key points that is

12652
07:14:51,474 --> 07:14:54,474
a string is created the

12653
07:14:57,130 --> 07:14:57,981
conservation of the national

12654
07:14:57,981 --> 07:15:00,981
space the applicant during the

12655
07:15:02,585 --> 07:15:03,586
cpa and rezoning process

12656
07:15:03,586 --> 07:15:06,586
proffers and provides more than

12657
07:15:07,422 --> 07:15:10,422
60 percent open space and tries

12658
07:15:13,563 --> 07:15:13,763
the best to conserve the orpa

12659
07:15:13,763 --> 07:15:14,529
area.

12660
07:15:14,529 --> 07:15:15,632
The other key point is related

12661
07:15:15,632 --> 07:15:17,632
to multipurpose recreational

12662
07:15:21,170 --> 07:15:21,738
area.

12663
07:15:21,738 --> 07:15:22,672
On this application and

12664
07:15:22,672 --> 07:15:23,239
rezoning application, the

12665
07:15:23,239 --> 07:15:25,239
applicant proposed and

12666
07:15:27,777 --> 07:15:28,444
proffered to provide the area

12667
07:15:28,444 --> 07:15:30,844
like the central community

12668
07:15:34,170 --> 07:15:34,317
park, community garden and

12669
07:15:34,317 --> 07:15:34,884
trained it.

12670
07:15:34,884 --> 07:15:37,884
The other string of the

12671
07:15:38,288 --> 07:15:39,880
application is related to

12672
07:15:39,880 --> 07:15:41,488
proffers to provide the 28

12673
07:15:43,693 --> 07:15:46,930
dwelling units or 10 percent

12674
07:15:48,665 --> 07:15:51,650
for this application and

12675
07:15:52,402 --> 07:15:54,402
project.

12676
07:15:55,438 --> 07:15:56,105
So after we review the

12677
07:15:56,105 --> 07:15:57,440
application with different

12678
07:15:57,440 --> 07:15:59,440
agents

12679
07:16:00,109 --> 07:16:00,710
, staff recommends the

12680
07:16:00,710 --> 07:16:02,710
board community supervisor

12681
07:16:06,182 --> 07:16:08,182
approve rezoning 2024-00 23

12682
07:16:10,753 --> 07:16:11,487
.

12683
07:16:11,487 --> 07:16:14,487
It's great subject to proffers

12684
07:16:15,758 --> 07:16:16,526
dated DECEMBER 01, 2025 for the

12685
07:16:16,526 --> 07:16:18,394
following reasons.

12686
07:16:18,394 --> 07:16:19,762
The rezoning is resistant with

12687
07:16:19,762 --> 07:16:22,162
the long range designation

12688
07:16:23,833 --> 07:16:24,434
except on the western portion

12689
07:16:24,434 --> 07:16:26,434
of the property.

12690
07:16:29,505 --> 07:16:30,440
The applicant and site

12691
07:16:30,440 --> 07:16:31,708
connectivity to meet the

12692
07:16:31,708 --> 07:16:33,708
residence needs applicant

12693
07:16:35,245 --> 07:16:37,645
proffers provide the 10 percent

12694
07:16:39,448 --> 07:16:40,316
or 28 dwelling units in the

12695
07:16:40,316 --> 07:16:43,520
last key point in the

12696
07:16:43,520 --> 07:16:45,452
application for approval is

12697
07:16:45,787 --> 07:16:48,787
related to conservation of the

12698
07:16:49,959 --> 07:16:52,359
existing space and environment

12699
07:16:52,428 --> 07:16:54,428
resource protection proffered

12700
07:16:58,534 --> 07:16:59,535
for conservation easement.

12701
07:16:59,535 --> 07:17:00,436
Thank you for your time and my

12702
07:17:00,436 --> 07:17:02,305
pleasure to answer your

12703
07:17:02,305 --> 07:17:03,306
question.

12704
07:17:03,306 --> 07:17:05,306
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

12705
07:17:14,284 --> 07:17:15,285
thank you so very much.

12706
07:17:15,285 --> 07:17:15,652
>> after the staff report went

12707
07:17:15,652 --> 07:17:16,286
out we received

12708
07:17:16,286 --> 07:17:18,286
revisions to the

12709
07:17:25,628 --> 07:17:27,130
proffers that addressed.

12710
07:17:27,130 --> 07:17:27,397
I know that we showed that is a

12711
07:17:27,397 --> 07:17:28,970
weakness.

12712
07:17:28,970 --> 07:17:28,765
It was a weakness on the

12713
07:17:28,765 --> 07:17:29,632
planning commission and the

12714
07:17:29,632 --> 07:17:30,667
applicant provided us

12715
07:17:30,667 --> 07:17:32,667
clarification because staff

12716
07:17:35,938 --> 07:17:36,139
felt it was important we had

12717
07:17:36,139 --> 07:17:36,906
that.

12718
07:17:36,906 --> 07:17:37,806
The applicant address that.

12719
07:17:37,806 --> 07:17:38,508
I wanted to make that clear.

12720
07:17:38,508 --> 07:17:42,108
Did limit the uses that could

12721
07:17:42,879 --> 07:17:43,880
occur.

12722
07:17:43,880 --> 07:17:44,380
>> kevin, transportation

12723
07:17:44,380 --> 07:17:45,949
planning manager.

12724
07:17:45,949 --> 07:17:46,215
I want to add a clarification

12725
07:17:46,215 --> 07:17:46,883
as well.

12726
07:17:46,883 --> 07:17:47,951
In the time between the staff

12727
07:17:47,951 --> 07:17:49,384
report and tonight, we met with

12728
07:17:49,384 --> 07:17:51,784
the applicant to resolve

12729
07:18:01,363 --> 07:18:02,298
outstanding comments that were

12730
07:18:02,298 --> 07:18:04,000
giving us a little bit of pause

12731
07:18:04,000 --> 07:18:04,634
they were meeting the

12732
07:18:04,634 --> 07:18:05,401
requirement as far as meeting

12733
07:18:05,401 --> 07:18:05,568
the tru result in mitigating

12734
07:18:05,568 --> 07:18:06,302
the

12735
07:18:06,302 --> 07:18:07,203
traffic congestion.

12736
07:18:07,203 --> 07:18:07,937
>> I would like following his

12737
07:18:07,937 --> 07:18:11,537
comments, I would like to have

12738
07:18:12,410 --> 07:18:13,420
it given more information and

12739
07:18:13,420 --> 07:18:15,442
purpose of the nonresidential

12740
07:18:17,780 --> 07:18:19,616
development based on the zoning

12741
07:18:19,616 --> 07:18:19,782
ordinance and section of the

12742
07:18:19,782 --> 07:18:21,782
pmr.

12743
07:18:27,523 --> 07:18:28,558
Every district greater than 15

12744
07:18:28,558 --> 07:18:28,758
should incorporate at least one

12745
07:18:28,758 --> 07:18:29,125
area

12746
07:18:29,125 --> 07:18:31,125
as nonresidential.

12747
07:18:34,397 --> 07:18:35,331
In

12748
07:18:35,331 --> 07:18:37,731
reviewing the application with

12749
07:18:38,101 --> 07:18:39,102
surrounding residential.

12750
07:18:39,102 --> 07:18:39,969
So provided nonresidential

12751
07:18:39,969 --> 07:18:41,969
development

12752
07:18:43,873 --> 07:18:46,900
, that is greater is

12753
07:18:46,900 --> 07:18:48,409
essential for the development

12754
07:18:52,882 --> 07:18:53,883
of the application.

12755
07:18:53,883 --> 07:18:54,918
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

12756
07:18:54,918 --> 07:18:56,653
on the right.

12757
07:18:56,653 --> 07:18:59,530
Thank you very much

12758
07:19:06,696 --> 07:19:07,697
.

12759
07:19:07,697 --> 07:19:08,565
Does anyone have any questions?

12760
07:19:08,565 --> 07:19:08,831
Going once, going twice.

12761
07:19:08,831 --> 07:19:09,465
All right.

12762
07:19:09,465 --> 07:19:09,699
It is time to open the public

12763
07:19:09,699 --> 07:19:11,699
hearing.

12764
07:19:12,135 --> 07:19:13,136
So I am going to go

12765
07:19:13,136 --> 07:19:15,538
ahead and I'm going to do these

12766
07:19:15,538 --> 07:19:16,372
together for 13 bnc.

12767
07:19:16,372 --> 07:19:18,207
I'm going to open the public

12768
07:19:18,207 --> 07:19:20,376
hearings for both the ask

12769
07:19:20,376 --> 07:19:23,846
people have a seat until I call

12770
07:19:23,846 --> 07:19:24,113
you up.

12771
07:19:24,113 --> 07:19:26,113
Thank you.

12772
07:19:31,988 --> 07:19:32,922
People are so excited to talk

12773
07:19:32,922 --> 07:19:33,590
her what we are going to do

12774
07:19:33,590 --> 07:19:34,657
this because I'm doing these

12775
07:19:34,657 --> 07:19:37,260
both together, whereas it would

12776
07:19:37,260 --> 07:19:37,994
get them in this to speak I

12777
07:19:37,994 --> 07:19:38,861
will give people six minutes.

12778
07:19:38,861 --> 07:19:41,861
If you are an organization

12779
07:19:43,233 --> 07:19:43,733
recognized by the board you get

12780
07:19:43,733 --> 07:19:44,834
up to 10 minutes.

12781
07:19:44,834 --> 07:19:49,340
and again, we can only have one

12782
07:20:06,489 --> 07:20:07,156
person for each organization.

12783
07:20:07,156 --> 07:20:07,590
I'm going to invite people up

12784
07:20:07,590 --> 07:20:08,491
five at a time.

12785
07:20:08,491 --> 07:20:09,492
Please state your name, where

12786
07:20:09,492 --> 07:20:10,226
you live, the magisterial

12787
07:20:10,226 --> 07:20:10,994
district and also make sure we

12788
07:20:10,994 --> 07:20:12,610
can hear you.

12789
07:20:12,610 --> 07:20:12,395
Sometimes we are straining to

12790
07:20:12,395 --> 07:20:13,280
hear people.

12791
07:20:13,280 --> 07:20:13,563
And if you have come out this

12792
07:20:13,563 --> 07:20:14,564
late, you should be heard.

12793
07:20:14,564 --> 07:20:15,765
Wendat I'm going to call him

12794
07:20:15,765 --> 07:20:16,466
martin, delta nichols, larry,

12795
07:20:16,466 --> 07:20:16,733
connie christopher and chris

12796
07:20:16,733 --> 07:20:18,733
cummings.

12797
07:20:21,304 --> 07:20:21,504
You were my first

12798
07:20:21,504 --> 07:20:22,272
five.

12799
07:20:22,272 --> 07:20:25,272
>> can I have the overhead

12800
07:20:42,580 --> 07:20:42,258
projector, please?

12801
07:20:42,258 --> 07:20:43,590
Okay.

12802
07:20:43,590 --> 07:20:43,660
Good evening george avicenna

12803
07:20:43,660 --> 07:20:44,727
members of the board.

12804
07:20:44,727 --> 07:20:45,561
Saint martin from the occoquan

12805
07:20:45,561 --> 07:20:46,563
district and I'm here

12806
07:20:46,563 --> 07:20:47,230
representing an county civic

12807
07:20:47,230 --> 07:20:47,764
associations open like the

12808
07:20:47,764 --> 07:20:48,131
extra time if I could.

12809
07:20:48,131 --> 07:20:49,980
Thank you.

12810
07:20:49,980 --> 07:20:50,799
We want to thank the applicant

12811
07:20:50,799 --> 07:20:51,734
for coming to medco in

12812
07:20:51,734 --> 07:20:52,100
presenting the project of the

12813
07:20:52,100 --> 07:20:52,835
meetings.

12814
07:20:52,835 --> 07:20:55,605
We talk to everybody but more

12815
07:20:55,605 --> 07:20:55,872
importantly we listen to

12816
07:20:55,872 --> 07:20:57,872
everybody.

12817
07:21:04,213 --> 07:21:06,613
We reviewed the project

12818
07:21:07,160 --> 07:21:07,717
.

12819
07:21:07,717 --> 07:21:08,651
There have been changes made

12820
07:21:08,651 --> 07:21:08,985
from response to community

12821
07:21:08,985 --> 07:21:09,485
concerns.

12822
07:21:09,485 --> 07:21:10,153
Nfortunately this

12823
07:21:10,153 --> 07:21:10,987
project has a fatal flaw that

12824
07:21:10,987 --> 07:21:12,322
has been there from the

12825
07:21:12,322 --> 07:21:12,989
beginning and I will go into

12826
07:21:12,989 --> 07:21:13,756
that in a moment.

12827
07:21:13,756 --> 07:21:14,724
Everest want to say medco is

12828
07:21:14,724 --> 07:21:15,910
not imposed other developments

12829
07:21:15,910 --> 07:21:17,910
in the area.

12830
07:21:27,270 --> 07:21:28,137
The kings grove project is one

12831
07:21:28,137 --> 07:21:29,500
we were not opposed to end the

12832
07:21:29,500 --> 07:21:30,390
community did not have

12833
07:21:30,390 --> 07:21:30,673
opposition to that we saw in it

12834
07:21:30,673 --> 07:21:31,708
was generally less impactful

12835
07:21:31,708 --> 07:21:32,609
than something that could have

12836
07:21:32,609 --> 07:21:33,543
been built thereby right.

12837
07:21:33,543 --> 07:21:34,844
Another object medco was not

12838
07:21:34,844 --> 07:21:35,677
available is the dean crossing

12839
07:21:35,677 --> 07:21:36,279
project on the other side of

12840
07:21:36,279 --> 07:21:37,146
the parkway from here.

12841
07:21:37,146 --> 07:21:39,546
That's a 42 unit apartment

12842
07:21:40,283 --> 07:21:41,217
building for 50 percent and

12843
07:21:41,217 --> 07:21:44,220
under of the area median income

12844
07:21:44,220 --> 07:21:44,787
level so it is a low income

12845
07:21:44,787 --> 07:21:45,388
housing project on the

12846
07:21:45,388 --> 07:21:46,422
communities and how much

12847
07:21:46,422 --> 07:21:48,691
opposition to that we saw in

12848
07:21:48,691 --> 07:21:51,691
the belmont gardens project is

12849
07:21:57,600 --> 07:21:58,434
a 55 over community near the

12850
07:21:58,434 --> 07:21:59,102
glen shopping center.

12851
07:21:59,102 --> 07:22:00,136
Again, it was less impactful

12852
07:22:00,136 --> 07:22:01,400
than other projects could have

12853
07:22:01,400 --> 07:22:01,638
been I could've been there in

12854
07:22:01,638 --> 07:22:02,505
the community we didn't see

12855
07:22:02,505 --> 07:22:04,106
much opposition to that.

12856
07:22:04,106 --> 07:22:04,674
This

12857
07:22:04,674 --> 07:22:06,900
one is different.

12858
07:22:06,900 --> 07:22:06,910
We have seen a lot of community

12859
07:22:06,910 --> 07:22:07,710
opposition to it and we are

12860
07:22:07,710 --> 07:22:11,310
opposed to it for that and

12861
07:22:11,848 --> 07:22:12,882
other reasons.

12862
07:22:12,882 --> 07:22:13,816
But first I wanted to start by

12863
07:22:13,816 --> 07:22:15,816
dispelling misrepresentations

12864
07:22:16,190 --> 07:22:16,886
and misunderstandings that have

12865
07:22:16,886 --> 07:22:17,620
been floating around the

12866
07:22:17,620 --> 07:22:19,289
project over the last year or

12867
07:22:19,289 --> 07:22:20,230
so.

12868
07:22:20,230 --> 07:22:23,623
You MAY have heard the boundary

12869
07:22:24,930 --> 07:22:25,600
line is arbitrary and it isn't.

12870
07:22:25,600 --> 07:22:25,962
It is the watershed line and

12871
07:22:25,962 --> 07:22:30,162
you can see that on the map.

12872
07:22:31,234 --> 07:22:32,268
The yellow line that parallels

12873
07:22:32,268 --> 07:22:32,569
that trenton is the watershed

12874
07:22:32,569 --> 07:22:34,569
line.

12875
07:22:35,438 --> 07:22:36,372
The green area is the area and

12876
07:22:36,372 --> 07:22:39,372
that is the occoquan watershed

12877
07:22:40,243 --> 07:22:43,843
on the other side is the

12878
07:22:45,148 --> 07:22:45,748
potomac watershed fed by

12879
07:22:45,748 --> 07:22:45,949
neabsco creek into potomac

12880
07:22:45,949 --> 07:22:46,783
river.

12881
07:22:46,783 --> 07:22:50,153
it is the watershed line and

12882
07:22:50,153 --> 07:22:53,153
another thing that made things

12883
07:22:54,390 --> 07:22:55,124
confused is the fact that the

12884
07:22:55,124 --> 07:22:58,124
previous project was taken out

12885
07:22:59,495 --> 07:23:00,396
so it was

12886
07:23:00,396 --> 07:23:00,963
, it has been said

12887
07:23:00,963 --> 07:23:01,864
that this just a line.

12888
07:23:01,864 --> 07:23:04,300
But two wrongs don't make a

12889
07:23:04,300 --> 07:23:04,968
right when there's a reason for

12890
07:23:04,968 --> 07:23:07,303
the line, it's the watershed

12891
07:23:07,303 --> 07:23:08,338
line.

12892
07:23:08,338 --> 07:23:11,908
That makes sense because it's a

12893
07:23:11,908 --> 07:23:12,574
watershed protection area.

12894
07:23:12,574 --> 07:23:14,277
This is something we heard

12895
07:23:14,277 --> 07:23:15,245
again tonight.

12896
07:23:15,245 --> 07:23:17,130
Some have been seeing doing

12897
07:23:17,130 --> 07:23:19,413
projects with much more

12898
07:23:20,316 --> 07:23:20,984
impervious surface and

12899
07:23:20,984 --> 07:23:22,510
clearcutting of the trees on

12900
07:23:22,510 --> 07:23:25,510
the property is better than

12901
07:23:28,925 --> 07:23:29,225
five acre lots in the orpa

12902
07:23:29,225 --> 07:23:30,226
area.

12903
07:23:30,226 --> 07:23:33,226
I think that violates common

12904
07:23:34,597 --> 07:23:35,598
sense like saying adding

12905
07:23:35,598 --> 07:23:36,532
thousands of vehicles to the

12906
07:23:36,532 --> 07:23:36,966
road is going to improve

12907
07:23:36,966 --> 07:23:37,100
traffic conditions

12908
07:23:37,100 --> 07:23:39,350
.

12909
07:23:39,350 --> 07:23:41,571
These are things that violate

12910
07:23:41,571 --> 07:23:42,710
common sense but it is the

12911
07:23:42,710 --> 07:23:44,471
opinions of our own

12912
07:23:48,711 --> 07:23:49,379
environmental management staff

12913
07:23:49,379 --> 07:23:50,790
as you heard and it is counter

12914
07:23:50,790 --> 07:23:50,380
to the experts we have heard

12915
07:23:50,380 --> 07:23:52,380
from.

12916
07:23:55,985 --> 07:23:56,586
It is also counter to what

12917
07:23:56,586 --> 07:23:57,487
fairfax county has done.

12918
07:23:57,487 --> 07:23:58,254
In the past when they did

12919
07:23:58,254 --> 07:24:01,854
pretty much the same thing with

12920
07:24:04,527 --> 07:24:05,361
the five-acre lot and down

12921
07:24:05,361 --> 07:24:06,290
zoned a large area on their

12922
07:24:06,290 --> 07:24:06,863
side of the occoquan.

12923
07:24:06,863 --> 07:24:07,363
This was 30 or 40 years ago

12924
07:24:07,363 --> 07:24:09,763
that they did not.

12925
07:24:13,803 --> 07:24:14,904
I think it's clear the

12926
07:24:14,904 --> 07:24:15,705
watershed better than covering

12927
07:24:15,705 --> 07:24:16,406
properties with large amounts

12928
07:24:16,406 --> 07:24:17,240
of impervious surfaces

12929
07:24:17,240 --> 07:24:19,640
including large amounts of

12930
07:24:23,446 --> 07:24:24,147
trees.

12931
07:24:24,147 --> 07:24:24,948
as they told you a few minutes

12932
07:24:24,948 --> 07:24:25,949
ago you three factors.

12933
07:24:25,949 --> 07:24:26,616
Groundwater infiltration, storm

12934
07:24:26,616 --> 07:24:27,951
water and nutrient pollution

12935
07:24:27,951 --> 07:24:28,251
runoff

12936
07:24:28,251 --> 07:24:29,251
.

12937
07:24:29,251 --> 07:24:32,880
To some extent you can mitigate

12938
07:24:32,880 --> 07:24:32,755
the last two of those, but the

12939
07:24:32,755 --> 07:24:35,155
infiltration is anything that

12940
07:24:37,600 --> 07:24:37,427
is important that you need

12941
07:24:37,427 --> 07:24:38,161
,

12942
07:24:38,161 --> 07:24:38,995
especially for the place that

12943
07:24:38,995 --> 07:24:42,532
live on the area which means

12944
07:24:42,532 --> 07:24:43,433
pretty much everybody from

12945
07:24:43,433 --> 07:24:45,535
trenton to the city of manassas

12946
07:24:45,535 --> 07:24:48,535
and from the occoquan reservoir

12947
07:24:50,773 --> 07:24:51,774
to the prince william line.

12948
07:24:51,774 --> 07:24:52,375
These are all well and septic

12949
07:24:52,375 --> 07:24:54,177
and people are worried about

12950
07:24:54,177 --> 07:24:56,177
their water.

12951
07:24:59,482 --> 07:25:00,416
Another reason why it not a

12952
07:25:00,416 --> 07:25:03,386
good idea to start chipping

12953
07:25:03,386 --> 07:25:05,655
away orpa is we don't know what

12954
07:25:05,655 --> 07:25:08,523
the groundwater situation is in

12955
07:25:08,523 --> 07:25:09,250
prince william county.

12956
07:25:09,250 --> 07:25:11,425
The board initiated a

12957
07:25:13,496 --> 07:25:14,464
groundwater study less than a

12958
07:25:14,464 --> 07:25:18,664
year ago in the study will not

12959
07:25:21,337 --> 07:25:21,504
have results for it a year or

12960
07:25:21,504 --> 07:25:22,105
two.

12961
07:25:22,105 --> 07:25:22,906
We don't know what the levels

12962
07:25:22,906 --> 07:25:23,840
of the groundwater are.

12963
07:25:23,840 --> 07:25:24,973
We don't know what the trend is

12964
07:25:24,973 --> 07:25:27,777
we don't know that for a while

12965
07:25:27,777 --> 07:25:29,879
and we have a lot of people on

12966
07:25:29,879 --> 07:25:30,880
well water and we have had some

12967
07:25:30,880 --> 07:25:32,382
antidotal information about

12968
07:25:32,382 --> 07:25:32,949
failing wells.

12969
07:25:32,949 --> 07:25:34,550
We don't know what the

12970
07:25:34,550 --> 07:25:34,751
situation is

12971
07:25:34,751 --> 07:25:35,450
.

12972
07:25:35,450 --> 07:25:39,500
We need to be careful about

12973
07:25:41,624 --> 07:25:43,624
what we do.

12974
07:25:45,128 --> 07:25:47,964
There is not as good protection

12975
07:25:47,964 --> 07:25:50,964
because people could clear cut

12976
07:25:51,734 --> 07:25:52,535
five-acre parcels

12977
07:25:52,535 --> 07:25:53,169
.

12978
07:25:53,169 --> 07:25:53,670
The reality is they don't and I

12979
07:25:53,670 --> 07:25:54,837
can tell you that from

12980
07:25:54,837 --> 07:25:55,104
experience

12981
07:25:55,104 --> 07:25:56,380
.

12982
07:25:56,380 --> 07:25:59,380
We worked on numerous projects

12983
07:26:02,100 --> 07:26:03,120
and what we do is work with the

12984
07:26:03,120 --> 07:26:04,130
developers and we have the lots

12985
07:26:04,130 --> 07:26:05,148
clustered because the five-acre

12986
07:26:05,148 --> 07:26:07,548
recommendation is an average

12987
07:26:11,554 --> 07:26:12,487
.

12988
07:26:12,487 --> 07:26:13,590
The lots are clustered.

12989
07:26:13,590 --> 07:26:14,557
With large amount of open space

12990
07:26:14,557 --> 07:26:15,525
protected with the conservation

12991
07:26:15,525 --> 07:26:17,327
easement and receive most of

12992
07:26:17,327 --> 07:26:17,493
the trees on the parcels

12993
07:26:17,493 --> 07:26:18,461
.

12994
07:26:18,461 --> 07:26:22,610
People aren't going to move to

12995
07:26:23,499 --> 07:26:24,434
the most forested area and

12996
07:26:24,434 --> 07:26:26,402
immediately want to cut their

12997
07:26:26,402 --> 07:26:27,136
trees down.

12998
07:26:27,136 --> 07:26:30,136
It's another thing that doesn't

12999
07:26:31,874 --> 07:26:32,609
make logical sense

13000
07:26:32,609 --> 07:26:33,209
.

13001
07:26:33,209 --> 07:26:37,409
It is just reasons to try to

13002
07:26:44,153 --> 07:26:44,821
make the project seem better.

13003
07:26:44,821 --> 07:26:45,722
If it was better to pave over

13004
07:26:45,722 --> 07:26:46,656
large areas and clear cut the

13005
07:26:46,656 --> 07:26:47,390
trees, there is like washington

13006
07:26:47,390 --> 07:26:49,792
D.C. And baldwin marilyn would

13007
07:26:49,792 --> 07:26:50,693
to be ideal watersheds because

13008
07:26:50,693 --> 07:26:51,427
they use the high-tech

13009
07:26:51,427 --> 07:26:54,427
techniques in the watershed to

13010
07:26:55,640 --> 07:26:55,265
be improved over the natural

13011
07:26:55,265 --> 07:26:56,132
state.

13012
07:26:56,132 --> 07:26:56,733
And I think we all understand

13013
07:26:56,733 --> 07:26:59,733
that's not true for the

13014
07:27:00,336 --> 07:27:01,204
overarching issue is the

13015
07:27:01,204 --> 07:27:04,204
precedence setting part of it.

13016
07:27:05,909 --> 07:27:09,509
The stuff said they do a

13017
07:27:15,552 --> 07:27:16,190
case-by-case basis

13018
07:27:16,190 --> 07:27:16,786
.

13019
07:27:16,786 --> 07:27:17,554
They probably do.

13020
07:27:17,554 --> 07:27:18,488
Maybe they take the blinders on

13021
07:27:18,488 --> 07:27:19,188
approach but I can tell you

13022
07:27:19,188 --> 07:27:20,123
developers don't developers

13023
07:27:20,123 --> 07:27:21,791
look at trends the board has an

13024
07:27:21,791 --> 07:27:22,759
appetite to do.

13025
07:27:22,759 --> 07:27:26,359
As we all know, developers make

13026
07:27:29,465 --> 07:27:30,330
money off of the units per acre

13027
07:27:30,330 --> 07:27:30,800
and that's fine.

13028
07:27:30,800 --> 07:27:32,702
That is what makes our economy

13029
07:27:32,702 --> 07:27:33,703
work.

13030
07:27:33,703 --> 07:27:34,537
But when people are getting

13031
07:27:34,537 --> 07:27:36,937
entitlements to vastly increase

13032
07:27:41,544 --> 07:27:42,412
the density on land and the

13033
07:27:42,412 --> 07:27:43,378
board is okay with that, he

13034
07:27:43,378 --> 07:27:44,113
will get more applications for

13035
07:27:44,113 --> 07:27:45,715
this book anyone who thinks

13036
07:27:45,715 --> 07:27:46,249
it's not a precedent is not

13037
07:27:46,249 --> 07:27:48,249
being realistic.

13038
07:27:49,419 --> 07:27:53,619
The reality of the cpa over the

13039
07:27:58,328 --> 07:27:58,928
last 10 or 15 years

13040
07:27:58,928 --> 07:27:59,829
, the

13041
07:27:59,829 --> 07:28:00,496
majority once they are applying

13042
07:28:00,496 --> 07:28:01,364
two for our approved.

13043
07:28:01,364 --> 07:28:02,799
So the idea this won't be a

13044
07:28:02,799 --> 07:28:03,333
precedent, it's again not just

13045
07:28:03,333 --> 07:28:05,333
with common sense.

13046
07:28:05,368 --> 07:28:08,171
But the good news is on all of

13047
07:28:08,171 --> 07:28:11,941
this is we don't want to do

13048
07:28:11,941 --> 07:28:12,775
these kinds of things in our

13049
07:28:12,775 --> 07:28:15,175
watershed protection area to

13050
07:28:15,878 --> 07:28:16,713
achieve our housing goals, to

13051
07:28:16,713 --> 07:28:18,381
achieve our affordable housing.

13052
07:28:18,381 --> 07:28:21,381
Here projects on the parkway

13053
07:28:21,517 --> 07:28:22,850
for affordable housing.

13054
07:28:22,850 --> 07:28:23,190
We plenty areas and the

13055
07:28:23,190 --> 07:28:25,190
comprehensive plan without

13056
07:28:26,788 --> 07:28:27,757
changing it where we can

13057
07:28:27,757 --> 07:28:30,757
achieve our goals for housing

13058
07:28:31,828 --> 07:28:32,595
and have walkable communities

13059
07:28:32,595 --> 07:28:33,663
and varied housing times and

13060
07:28:33,663 --> 07:28:38,301
all the things we need to do as

13061
07:28:38,301 --> 07:28:38,501
we grow

13062
07:28:38,501 --> 07:28:39,535
.

13063
07:28:39,535 --> 07:28:40,203
I hope you understand there are

13064
07:28:40,203 --> 07:28:43,803
places where we can do these

13065
07:28:44,240 --> 07:28:44,574
things

13066
07:28:44,574 --> 07:28:45,441
.

13067
07:28:45,441 --> 07:28:49,641
So based on all that and the

13068
07:28:51,681 --> 07:28:52,382
fact the planning commission

13069
07:28:52,382 --> 07:28:53,283
recommended denial, along with

13070
07:28:53,283 --> 07:28:54,417
the letter you received from

13071
07:28:54,417 --> 07:28:56,850
the conservation alliance and

13072
07:28:56,850 --> 07:28:59,850
pwc a are also recommending

13073
07:29:01,958 --> 07:29:02,592
denial.

13074
07:29:02,592 --> 07:29:02,959
You tonight the cpa for the

13075
07:29:02,959 --> 07:29:04,959
project.

13076
07:29:06,863 --> 07:29:07,397
Happy holiday everyone and we

13077
07:29:07,397 --> 07:29:08,731
will see you next year.

13078
07:29:08,731 --> 07:29:09,332
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

13079
07:29:09,332 --> 07:29:12,332
thank you so very much.

13080
07:29:13,937 --> 07:29:15,138
Next speaker.

13081
07:29:15,138 --> 07:29:15,338
>> Public Speaker: good evening

13082
07:29:15,338 --> 07:29:16,506
again.

13083
07:29:16,506 --> 07:29:20,706
I am delta nichols and I am

13084
07:29:20,710 --> 07:29:25,510
need to a precedent of -- and I

13085
07:29:27,550 --> 07:29:28,284
am in occoquan district and I

13086
07:29:28,284 --> 07:29:29,852
request additional time, though

13087
07:29:29,852 --> 07:29:30,190
I probably will not need all of

13088
07:29:30,190 --> 07:29:32,190
it.

13089
07:29:45,802 --> 07:29:46,169
So hunters ridge is in the

13090
07:29:46,169 --> 07:29:47,360
middle of orpa.

13091
07:29:47,360 --> 07:29:48,137
We are 216 home strong and we

13092
07:29:48,137 --> 07:29:51,137
do not support hoadley square,

13093
07:29:52,242 --> 07:29:53,276
this proposed development.

13094
07:29:53,276 --> 07:29:53,843
We ask you to please disapprove

13095
07:29:53,843 --> 07:29:55,843
the comprehensive plan

13096
07:29:57,280 --> 07:29:58,281
amendment and rezoning.

13097
07:29:58,281 --> 07:30:00,681
Front at the proposed

13098
07:30:00,717 --> 07:30:03,117
development would encroach upon

13099
07:30:04,870 --> 07:30:05,540
orpa.

13100
07:30:05,540 --> 07:30:06,623
Orpa was originated from sound

13101
07:30:06,623 --> 07:30:09,192
scientific and is grounded in

13102
07:30:09,192 --> 07:30:10,860
prudent concerns to protect one

13103
07:30:10,860 --> 07:30:12,795
of the counties most precious

13104
07:30:12,795 --> 07:30:12,996
resources

13105
07:30:12,996 --> 07:30:14,996
.

13106
07:30:17,660 --> 07:30:17,734
That is our drinking water.

13107
07:30:17,734 --> 07:30:18,968
There's not a person in the

13108
07:30:18,968 --> 07:30:23,168
room that does not need good to

13109
07:30:24,540 --> 07:30:25,540
clean drinking water.

13110
07:30:25,540 --> 07:30:28,211
And also to enable it to be

13111
07:30:28,211 --> 07:30:30,611
sustainable far into our

13112
07:30:31,948 --> 07:30:33,948
counties future.

13113
07:30:35,285 --> 07:30:36,152
For our prosperity in the

13114
07:30:36,152 --> 07:30:38,152
county future prosperity.

13115
07:30:39,122 --> 07:30:42,580
It is imperative orpa is

13116
07:30:42,580 --> 07:30:42,659
protected.

13117
07:30:42,659 --> 07:30:43,560
It's somewhat rare for a

13118
07:30:43,560 --> 07:30:44,894
majority of the county

13119
07:30:44,894 --> 07:30:46,894
residents and government

13120
07:30:49,198 --> 07:30:50,300
entities to identify in issue

13121
07:30:50,300 --> 07:30:52,802
and to come together and unite

13122
07:30:52,802 --> 07:30:56,402
around it and to protect it

13123
07:30:57,774 --> 07:30:58,441
.

13124
07:30:58,441 --> 07:30:59,442
Regardless of what part of the

13125
07:30:59,442 --> 07:31:02,111
county you live in, regardless

13126
07:31:02,111 --> 07:31:03,146
of your ethnic background, your

13127
07:31:03,146 --> 07:31:05,146
political persuasion, your

13128
07:31:07,160 --> 07:31:07,717
background affiliation.

13129
07:31:07,717 --> 07:31:08,685
There are a lot of things that

13130
07:31:08,685 --> 07:31:10,954
have the potential of dividing

13131
07:31:10,954 --> 07:31:15,754
us but orpa is one of the most

13132
07:31:17,393 --> 07:31:17,627
important things to this

13133
07:31:17,627 --> 07:31:18,561
county.

13134
07:31:18,561 --> 07:31:20,961
And individuals and interest

13135
07:31:22,265 --> 07:31:24,665
groups came together and

13136
07:31:26,402 --> 07:31:27,269
affirmed orpa important and

13137
07:31:27,269 --> 07:31:29,669
they develop a sustainability

13138
07:31:39,148 --> 07:31:39,649
plan and codified orpa into our

13139
07:31:39,649 --> 07:31:40,750
conference a plan.

13140
07:31:40,750 --> 07:31:41,351
And it is only been standing

13141
07:31:41,351 --> 07:31:42,919
and codified by 2.5 years and

13142
07:31:42,919 --> 07:31:43,719
now and developer wants the

13143
07:31:43,719 --> 07:31:46,489
county to approve his plan to

13144
07:31:46,489 --> 07:31:50,890
start undoing orpa and the work

13145
07:31:52,896 --> 07:31:53,296
that has been done to put orpa

13146
07:31:53,296 --> 07:31:54,264
in place.

13147
07:31:54,264 --> 07:31:54,597
We find ourselves asking the

13148
07:31:54,597 --> 07:31:56,597
question why

13149
07:31:57,467 --> 07:31:59,467
.

13150
07:32:01,604 --> 07:32:02,338
Given all of the considerations

13151
07:32:02,338 --> 07:32:05,938
in the debates that occurred to

13152
07:32:06,876 --> 07:32:10,476
stand orpa up, why would one

13153
07:32:10,813 --> 07:32:13,813
developer put forth a request

13154
07:32:14,550 --> 07:32:18,210
and ask the county start to

13155
07:32:18,210 --> 07:32:21,123
undo the good prudent work that

13156
07:32:21,123 --> 07:32:23,123
has been done.

13157
07:32:25,994 --> 07:32:26,896
And I submit to you those

13158
07:32:26,896 --> 07:32:29,896
asking for this are simply

13159
07:32:30,660 --> 07:32:33,660
asking because they can ask.

13160
07:32:34,537 --> 07:32:35,138
But you don't have to say yes

13161
07:32:35,138 --> 07:32:37,538
because they are asking.

13162
07:32:38,374 --> 07:32:39,342
They are asking you to forget

13163
07:32:39,342 --> 07:32:39,976
about sustaining this county

13164
07:32:39,976 --> 07:32:41,976
drinking water.

13165
07:32:45,214 --> 07:32:46,249
That proposal as asking you to

13166
07:32:46,249 --> 07:32:49,850
not be concerned about creating

13167
07:32:49,850 --> 07:32:50,119
excessive amounts of impervious

13168
07:32:50,119 --> 07:32:52,519
surfaces that negatively impact

13169
07:32:58,394 --> 07:32:59,295
groundwater recharge.

13170
07:32:59,295 --> 07:33:00,280
This proposed development is

13171
07:33:00,280 --> 07:33:00,797
asking you to not be concerned

13172
07:33:00,797 --> 07:33:03,797
about the traffic that is

13173
07:33:05,735 --> 07:33:09,335
already a nightmare in the area

13174
07:33:11,740 --> 07:33:12,410
and overly congested in the

13175
07:33:12,410 --> 07:33:12,909
failing intersection of hoadley

13176
07:33:12,909 --> 07:33:13,509
road and the prince william

13177
07:33:13,509 --> 07:33:15,509
county pkwy.

13178
07:33:17,146 --> 07:33:17,847
Hoadley square would best be

13179
07:33:17,847 --> 07:33:20,247
built close to transportation

13180
07:33:22,318 --> 07:33:27,118
hub not in the middle of a mass

13181
07:33:29,859 --> 07:33:30,593
transportation desert in the

13182
07:33:30,593 --> 07:33:31,461
middle of mint county.

13183
07:33:31,461 --> 07:33:32,228
We talk about bus stops in omni

13184
07:33:32,228 --> 07:33:35,431
right and I don't want to

13185
07:33:35,431 --> 07:33:36,466
disparage anyway the only ride,

13186
07:33:36,466 --> 07:33:37,330
but we all know it just doesn't

13187
07:33:37,330 --> 07:33:39,330
work

13188
07:33:41,169 --> 07:33:41,904
.

13189
07:33:41,904 --> 07:33:42,671
If it worked, more people would

13190
07:33:42,671 --> 07:33:43,306
use it.

13191
07:33:43,306 --> 07:33:47,506
It takes too long from point a

13192
07:33:55,151 --> 07:33:55,418
to point b. It's just not

13193
07:33:55,418 --> 07:33:56,352
feasible.

13194
07:33:56,352 --> 07:33:56,885
We should focus on making the

13195
07:33:56,885 --> 07:33:57,654
county better.

13196
07:33:57,654 --> 07:33:58,387
To better housing location

13197
07:33:58,387 --> 07:33:59,656
planning that goes hand-in-hand

13198
07:33:59,656 --> 07:34:00,356
with better transportation

13199
07:34:00,356 --> 07:34:01,356
planning in essence ability to

13200
07:34:01,356 --> 07:34:02,992
be efficient and affordable

13201
07:34:02,992 --> 07:34:04,992
mass transit.

13202
07:34:07,130 --> 07:34:08,164
The chris would the farm is not

13203
07:34:08,164 --> 07:34:09,899
that location for this type of

13204
07:34:09,899 --> 07:34:11,899
development.

13205
07:34:13,690 --> 07:34:13,369
And again, I'm not against

13206
07:34:13,369 --> 07:34:14,700
development.

13207
07:34:14,700 --> 07:34:17,670
And I will tell you, the

13208
07:34:18,675 --> 07:34:20,675
residence 260 strong.

13209
07:34:24,347 --> 07:34:24,647
We are against this

13210
07:34:24,647 --> 07:34:25,348
development.

13211
07:34:25,348 --> 07:34:26,480
Don't let this proposed

13212
07:34:26,480 --> 07:34:26,549
development steel water from

13213
07:34:26,549 --> 07:34:28,549
our future.

13214
07:34:31,821 --> 07:34:32,322
Told this development to find

13215
07:34:32,322 --> 07:34:33,356
another location.

13216
07:34:33,356 --> 07:34:35,358
Many of us would to be happy to

13217
07:34:35,358 --> 07:34:35,725
help and look for another

13218
07:34:35,725 --> 07:34:37,725
location.

13219
07:34:40,697 --> 07:34:41,698
Supervisor boddye, you ran on a

13220
07:34:41,698 --> 07:34:44,980
platform and protecting our

13221
07:34:46,869 --> 07:34:49,269
precious natural resources like

13222
07:34:55,244 --> 07:34:56,246
water.

13223
07:34:56,246 --> 07:34:56,412
Stick to the platform you ran

13224
07:34:56,412 --> 07:34:57,247
on.

13225
07:34:57,247 --> 07:34:58,414
That is what we ask you to do.

13226
07:34:58,414 --> 07:34:58,981
Stick to it.

13227
07:34:58,981 --> 07:35:01,981
Don't show favor to the

13228
07:35:02,151 --> 07:35:02,852
developer who wants to put the

13229
07:35:02,852 --> 07:35:05,852
drinking water for our future

13230
07:35:06,956 --> 07:35:07,589
at risk.

13231
07:35:07,589 --> 07:35:09,425
we ask you board of county

13232
07:35:09,425 --> 07:35:11,825
supervisors to be responsible

13233
07:35:12,495 --> 07:35:14,895
selected citizen residence of

13234
07:35:19,335 --> 07:35:20,336
our county and stewards of our

13235
07:35:20,336 --> 07:35:23,936
drinking water now and into the

13236
07:35:25,508 --> 07:35:26,175
future.

13237
07:35:26,175 --> 07:35:27,110
Don't chip away at the orpa.

13238
07:35:27,110 --> 07:35:30,110
In essence what was said

13239
07:35:34,584 --> 07:35:35,218
earlier, if you set this

13240
07:35:35,218 --> 07:35:36,152
precedent, you know another

13241
07:35:36,152 --> 07:35:39,222
developer is going to come and

13242
07:35:39,222 --> 07:35:39,322
ask for the same thing.

13243
07:35:39,322 --> 07:35:40,256
Nd

13244
07:35:40,256 --> 07:35:42,125
then what are you going to tell

13245
07:35:42,125 --> 07:35:44,125
that developer

13246
07:35:45,929 --> 07:35:46,696
?

13247
07:35:46,696 --> 07:35:48,970
When you do things like this is

13248
07:35:48,970 --> 07:35:51,697
just like feathers in the wind.

13249
07:35:51,935 --> 07:35:52,802
Is hard to get and pick them

13250
07:35:52,802 --> 07:35:55,705
all back up so don't set a

13251
07:35:55,705 --> 07:35:57,705
precedent disapprove this

13252
07:35:58,474 --> 07:35:58,741
.

13253
07:35:58,741 --> 07:35:59,976
Thank you.

13254
07:35:59,976 --> 07:36:01,976
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

13255
07:36:05,914 --> 07:36:07,914
next speaker, please

13256
07:36:11,221 --> 07:36:12,287
.

13257
07:36:12,287 --> 07:36:13,210
>> I don't know if I can follow

13258
07:36:13,210 --> 07:36:13,189
those two speakers.

13259
07:36:13,189 --> 07:36:15,189
Arry, I

13260
07:36:18,494 --> 07:36:19,195
am in the coles district.

13261
07:36:19,195 --> 07:36:21,595
Supervisor vega, thanks for

13262
07:36:22,932 --> 07:36:23,666
what you do.

13263
07:36:23,666 --> 07:36:23,866
I spoke about the maple valley

13264
07:36:23,866 --> 07:36:24,534
grove.

13265
07:36:24,534 --> 07:36:26,202
Won't bore you with

13266
07:36:26,202 --> 07:36:27,203
that again.

13267
07:36:27,203 --> 07:36:30,803
If I heard this correctly the

13268
07:36:36,246 --> 07:36:36,746
applicant requested, I wrote

13269
07:36:36,746 --> 07:36:37,480
down five waivers.

13270
07:36:37,480 --> 07:36:38,448
Reduced setbacks, increase the

13271
07:36:38,448 --> 07:36:40,490
height restrictions, reduce the

13272
07:36:40,490 --> 07:36:40,984
minimum footprint, reduce the

13273
07:36:40,984 --> 07:36:44,530
lot length and reduce the lot

13274
07:36:44,530 --> 07:36:44,754
with.

13275
07:36:44,754 --> 07:36:47,754
MAY be incorrect but that's

13276
07:36:48,957 --> 07:36:49,592
what I thought I heard.

13277
07:36:49,592 --> 07:36:52,592
To meet these are indicators.

13278
07:36:52,629 --> 07:36:53,296
If we are going to ignore

13279
07:36:53,296 --> 07:36:54,797
weaver restrictions why do we

13280
07:36:54,797 --> 07:36:57,797
even have them on paper.

13281
07:36:58,268 --> 07:37:02,468
the second thing I want to talk

13282
07:37:02,805 --> 07:37:03,506
about is the public road

13283
07:37:03,506 --> 07:37:05,506
through this development.

13284
07:37:09,646 --> 07:37:10,313
If I was a prospective buyer I

13285
07:37:10,313 --> 07:37:11,247
would want to be told that and

13286
07:37:11,247 --> 07:37:12,810
they will probably be told that

13287
07:37:12,810 --> 07:37:13,383
but they probably don't know

13288
07:37:13,383 --> 07:37:14,350
what that is going to mean down

13289
07:37:14,350 --> 07:37:15,919
the road because any of us who

13290
07:37:15,919 --> 07:37:17,220
lived here knows a cut through

13291
07:37:17,220 --> 07:37:17,320
becomes a cut through

13292
07:37:17,320 --> 07:37:19,320
.

13293
07:37:21,457 --> 07:37:24,457
You get involved of traffic

13294
07:37:26,963 --> 07:37:27,997
going through public road.

13295
07:37:27,997 --> 07:37:28,631
Hill 'n dale is a good example.

13296
07:37:28,631 --> 07:37:31,467
On the third thing I will talk

13297
07:37:31,467 --> 07:37:32,468
about traffic again.

13298
07:37:32,468 --> 07:37:34,868
One of the weaknesses

13299
07:37:35,104 --> 07:37:35,371
identified was traffic

13300
07:37:35,371 --> 07:37:36,339
.

13301
07:37:36,339 --> 07:37:38,808
And I will run down this will

13302
07:37:38,808 --> 07:37:39,576
quick.

13303
07:37:39,576 --> 07:37:41,611
Everyone knows about them but

13304
07:37:41,611 --> 07:37:42,545
we are going to put all these

13305
07:37:42,545 --> 07:37:45,782
people that are going to live

13306
07:37:45,782 --> 07:37:46,783
here and move here.

13307
07:37:46,783 --> 07:37:48,952
The church on the corner, they

13308
07:37:48,952 --> 07:37:49,586
are going to increase that

13309
07:37:49,586 --> 07:37:51,586
proposed delete square.

13310
07:37:54,123 --> 07:37:54,524
Maple valley grove

13311
07:37:54,524 --> 07:37:55,458
, hoadley

13312
07:37:55,458 --> 07:37:58,940
falls one and two, kings crest.

13313
07:37:58,940 --> 07:37:58,661
Kings grove.

13314
07:37:58,661 --> 07:38:00,661
The moss expansion.

13315
07:38:02,465 --> 07:38:03,433
Not all

13316
07:38:03,433 --> 07:38:04,167
have been approved yet but they

13317
07:38:04,167 --> 07:38:07,971
are on the docket and then the

13318
07:38:07,971 --> 07:38:11,607
other end is the klein farm and

13319
07:38:11,607 --> 07:38:12,750
on the other end is the porch

13320
07:38:12,750 --> 07:38:12,976
project.

13321
07:38:12,976 --> 07:38:14,677
Were those people going to cut

13322
07:38:14,677 --> 07:38:16,246
through thick they are going to

13323
07:38:16,246 --> 07:38:19,246
come right through the hoadley

13324
07:38:22,218 --> 07:38:22,919
road prince william county

13325
07:38:22,919 --> 07:38:25,870
pkwy. In a section.

13326
07:38:25,870 --> 07:38:25,588
I ask you vote no to this

13327
07:38:25,588 --> 07:38:27,588
project.

13328
07:38:27,657 --> 07:38:28,625
Thank you for your time.

13329
07:38:28,625 --> 07:38:30,625
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

13330
07:38:35,665 --> 07:38:37,467
next speaker, please.

13331
07:38:37,467 --> 07:38:38,340
>> Public Speaker: my name is

13332
07:38:38,340 --> 07:38:40,300
connie christopher.

13333
07:38:40,300 --> 07:38:42,300
Myself and

13334
07:38:44,139 --> 07:38:46,139
my sister

13335
07:38:46,943 --> 07:38:48,943
.

13336
07:38:52,882 --> 07:38:55,282
Phone chris would farm.

13337
07:38:58,154 --> 07:38:58,888
My family moved here in 1969

13338
07:38:58,888 --> 07:39:01,591
into forest dale and dale city

13339
07:39:01,591 --> 07:39:02,158
on the day neil armstrong

13340
07:39:02,158 --> 07:39:04,558
walked on the moon.

13341
07:39:07,163 --> 07:39:07,830
My parents

13342
07:39:07,830 --> 07:39:10,830
in 1975 when I was 18 years

13343
07:39:11,868 --> 07:39:14,868
old, we bought chris would

13344
07:39:18,174 --> 07:39:20,174
farm.

13345
07:39:22,812 --> 07:39:24,314
And has been writing, boarding

13346
07:39:24,314 --> 07:39:26,616
and training facility for 50

13347
07:39:26,616 --> 07:39:28,616
years.

13348
07:39:32,388 --> 07:39:33,256
People asked me all the time

13349
07:39:33,256 --> 07:39:34,289
how can I sell the farm.

13350
07:39:34,289 --> 07:39:34,457
It is not easy

13351
07:39:34,457 --> 07:39:35,580
.

13352
07:39:35,580 --> 07:39:38,658
It is not been an easy

13353
07:39:44,500 --> 07:39:45,268
decision.

13354
07:39:45,268 --> 07:39:45,802
This is very emotional for me,

13355
07:39:45,802 --> 07:39:47,802
I am sorry.

13356
07:39:50,600 --> 07:39:53,600
Throughout the whole time we've

13357
07:39:53,743 --> 07:39:54,677
tried to keep our prices down

13358
07:39:54,677 --> 07:39:58,277
it helped keep our prices down

13359
07:40:00,683 --> 07:40:01,351
to allow people to learn about

13360
07:40:01,351 --> 07:40:03,751
horses, learn about riding

13361
07:40:05,188 --> 07:40:05,855
horses and to afford a place

13362
07:40:05,855 --> 07:40:09,250
for people who own horses to

13363
07:40:09,250 --> 07:40:10,260
keep their horses here.

13364
07:40:10,260 --> 07:40:14,197
How I know we are affordable is

13365
07:40:14,197 --> 07:40:15,980
because for years I have other

13366
07:40:15,980 --> 07:40:17,333
barns call me and tried to talk

13367
07:40:17,333 --> 07:40:17,967
me into raising our prices and

13368
07:40:17,967 --> 07:40:20,403
we've been one of the least

13369
07:40:20,403 --> 07:40:23,403
expensive in the four county

13370
07:40:25,842 --> 07:40:27,842
area.

13371
07:40:32,382 --> 07:40:33,490
When we bought the property,

13372
07:40:33,490 --> 07:40:33,382
hoadley road was a 2 lane

13373
07:40:33,382 --> 07:40:34,116
winding rd.

13374
07:40:34,116 --> 07:40:36,119
Our property was surrounded by

13375
07:40:36,119 --> 07:40:39,119
woods on every side except

13376
07:40:41,491 --> 07:40:42,191
hoadley road to.

13377
07:40:42,191 --> 07:40:43,126
There was another farm across

13378
07:40:43,126 --> 07:40:43,293
the street where dale city is

13379
07:40:43,293 --> 07:40:45,293
now.

13380
07:40:47,163 --> 07:40:50,133
There were winds where forest

13381
07:40:50,133 --> 07:40:53,133
is now, teeter shopping center

13382
07:40:53,136 --> 07:40:55,238
is now and there are woods

13383
07:40:55,238 --> 07:40:58,238
where the mosque is now.

13384
07:41:02,612 --> 07:41:03,513
When each of these things came

13385
07:41:03,513 --> 07:41:04,213
before the county to be built,

13386
07:41:04,213 --> 07:41:07,813
we never went and opposed any

13387
07:41:10,286 --> 07:41:11,540
of them.

13388
07:41:11,540 --> 07:41:11,788
We moved into an area we expect

13389
07:41:11,788 --> 07:41:12,689
it to grow, dale city,

13390
07:41:12,689 --> 07:41:13,990
lakeridge wasn't even there

13391
07:41:13,990 --> 07:41:14,958
yet.

13392
07:41:14,958 --> 07:41:18,558
We are in the suburbs of

13393
07:41:18,695 --> 07:41:20,463
washington D.C. And we expected

13394
07:41:20,463 --> 07:41:22,463
growth to happen.

13395
07:41:28,504 --> 07:41:29,172
What we did because we were the

13396
07:41:29,172 --> 07:41:30,239
only farmers put up a bigger

13397
07:41:30,239 --> 07:41:31,700
fence to keep our horses in so

13398
07:41:31,700 --> 07:41:31,641
they are not running across

13399
07:41:31,641 --> 07:41:33,843
peoples yards and to keep

13400
07:41:33,843 --> 07:41:37,443
people out so they are not

13401
07:41:38,800 --> 07:41:39,948
messing with our horses.

13402
07:41:39,948 --> 07:41:42,948
We built a thriving business

13403
07:41:50,159 --> 07:41:50,894
through the years.

13404
07:41:50,894 --> 07:41:54,494
It has not always been easy.

13405
07:41:55,698 --> 07:41:56,399
Having large animals is a law

13406
07:41:56,399 --> 07:42:01,400
of work and most of the time my

13407
07:42:01,400 --> 07:42:01,804
family has done because we

13408
07:42:01,804 --> 07:42:04,804
could not afford to hire

13409
07:42:10,313 --> 07:42:12,313
people.

13410
07:42:16,386 --> 07:42:17,320
I made the decision to sell my

13411
07:42:17,320 --> 07:42:20,920
farm when I got kidney cancer

13412
07:42:27,997 --> 07:42:28,765
seven years ago.

13413
07:42:28,765 --> 07:42:32,965
I had to ensure my horses would

13414
07:42:36,139 --> 07:42:36,773
be taken care of so I had to

13415
07:42:36,773 --> 07:42:37,640
get another place.

13416
07:42:37,640 --> 07:42:38,575
I have some land that I hope to

13417
07:42:38,575 --> 07:42:39,943
build a barn on to move all of

13418
07:42:39,943 --> 07:42:40,677
my horses

13419
07:42:40,677 --> 07:42:42,478
, three quarters are

13420
07:42:42,478 --> 07:42:45,478
over three years 20 years old

13421
07:42:46,150 --> 07:42:49,150
which makes them between 60 and

13422
07:42:50,285 --> 07:42:51,190
70 years old and people years.

13423
07:42:51,190 --> 07:42:54,824
And you will not get any money

13424
07:42:54,824 --> 07:42:55,191
for those horses

13425
07:42:55,191 --> 07:42:55,891
.

13426
07:42:55,891 --> 07:42:56,292
People say you can sell them.

13427
07:42:56,292 --> 07:42:58,292
Not really.

13428
07:43:00,496 --> 07:43:01,197
I cannot let my horses go to

13429
07:43:01,197 --> 07:43:04,797
people who will not take care

13430
07:43:05,802 --> 07:43:06,469
of them.

13431
07:43:06,469 --> 07:43:09,500
will horses require a law of

13432
07:43:09,500 --> 07:43:11,500
care.

13433
07:43:15,912 --> 07:43:16,913
Here I am seven years later

13434
07:43:16,913 --> 07:43:17,880
still fighting the cancer,

13435
07:43:17,880 --> 07:43:18,714
still hoping to sell my place

13436
07:43:18,714 --> 07:43:22,314
and still hoping to move my

13437
07:43:24,888 --> 07:43:25,622
horses.

13438
07:43:25,622 --> 07:43:27,689
Chris would farm has been my

13439
07:43:27,689 --> 07:43:29,689
life

13440
07:43:29,859 --> 07:43:31,859
.

13441
07:43:33,463 --> 07:43:36,466
I don't want to sell it and I

13442
07:43:36,466 --> 07:43:37,467
want to sell it.

13443
07:43:37,467 --> 07:43:40,737
But I cannot continue what I

13444
07:43:40,737 --> 07:43:43,600
have been doing so I have no

13445
07:43:43,600 --> 07:43:43,873
choice

13446
07:43:43,873 --> 07:43:44,741
.

13447
07:43:44,741 --> 07:43:47,277
I would like to thank the

13448
07:43:47,277 --> 07:43:49,677
residents of prince william

13449
07:43:49,879 --> 07:43:53,479
county and on the board of

13450
07:43:55,652 --> 07:43:58,520
supervisors because without all

13451
07:44:02,725 --> 07:44:03,560
the help from this county

13452
07:44:03,560 --> 07:44:04,360
throughout the years we would

13453
07:44:04,360 --> 07:44:05,395
not have been able to make it

13454
07:44:05,395 --> 07:44:07,395
this long

13455
07:44:08,264 --> 07:44:10,264
.

13456
07:44:10,366 --> 07:44:12,766
We truly appreciate it.

13457
07:44:20,577 --> 07:44:21,511
Thank you for listening, and

13458
07:44:21,511 --> 07:44:22,512
it's been a great ride to.

13459
07:44:22,512 --> 07:44:22,779
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

13460
07:44:22,779 --> 07:44:23,646
thank you.

13461
07:44:23,646 --> 07:44:24,514
Before our next speaker going

13462
07:44:24,514 --> 07:44:26,716
to call up the next group of

13463
07:44:26,716 --> 07:44:27,283
five.

13464
07:44:27,283 --> 07:44:28,217
I've ashley -- hold on.

13465
07:44:28,217 --> 07:44:29,218
Some going to call up the next

13466
07:44:29,218 --> 07:44:32,818
group and then you can speak.

13467
07:44:36,426 --> 07:44:37,600
Ashley, norman

13468
07:44:37,600 --> 07:44:39,600
, anne

13469
07:44:39,620 --> 07:44:41,462
stephenson, gary o'brien and

13470
07:44:43,499 --> 07:44:43,766
catherine howard to.

13471
07:44:43,766 --> 07:44:45,766
All right.

13472
07:44:50,373 --> 07:44:51,574
You MAY begin.

13473
07:44:51,574 --> 07:44:52,809
>> Public Speaker: good evening

13474
07:44:52,809 --> 07:44:55,209
board of supervisors forgotten

13475
07:45:01,384 --> 07:45:02,151
back here.

13476
07:45:02,151 --> 07:45:02,919
Still christopher cummings from

13477
07:45:02,919 --> 07:45:03,920
the occoquan district.

13478
07:45:03,920 --> 07:45:04,621
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

13479
07:45:04,621 --> 07:45:07,621
can you adjust the microphone

13480
07:45:13,929 --> 07:45:14,998
so we can hear you better?

13481
07:45:14,998 --> 07:45:15,899
>> Public Speaker: I'm still --

13482
07:45:15,899 --> 07:45:16,633
by the feeling we get increased

13483
07:45:16,633 --> 07:45:19,469
taxes, more data centers and

13484
07:45:19,469 --> 07:45:20,203
more high density housing here.

13485
07:45:20,203 --> 07:45:21,360
Turning to the matter at hand

13486
07:45:21,360 --> 07:45:23,539
but application needs to be

13487
07:45:23,539 --> 07:45:26,539
seen together with the maple

13488
07:45:33,749 --> 07:45:34,217
valley road application

13489
07:45:34,217 --> 07:45:35,218
.

13490
07:45:35,218 --> 07:45:35,919
Together if passed, and one of

13491
07:45:35,919 --> 07:45:36,920
them has already been passed,

13492
07:45:36,920 --> 07:45:37,860
they will impose unreasonable

13493
07:45:37,860 --> 07:45:37,687
new

13494
07:45:37,687 --> 07:45:38,488
burdens on the

13495
07:45:38,488 --> 07:45:39,455
transportation infrastructure,

13496
07:45:39,455 --> 07:45:40,990
as well as the watershed area

13497
07:45:40,990 --> 07:45:41,157
that offers occoquan reservoir

13498
07:45:41,157 --> 07:45:43,157
.

13499
07:45:46,529 --> 07:45:47,530
High density housing in these

13500
07:45:47,530 --> 07:45:49,399
two combined together comprise

13501
07:45:49,399 --> 07:45:51,333
high density housing should be

13502
07:45:51,333 --> 07:45:54,333
steered the areas with high

13503
07:45:57,106 --> 07:45:58,700
capacity transit not to major

13504
07:45:58,700 --> 07:46:00,700
road intersections already

13505
07:46:01,878 --> 07:46:02,177
heavily burdened with traffic

13506
07:46:02,177 --> 07:46:03,112
.

13507
07:46:03,112 --> 07:46:06,449
The impact on schools have been

13508
07:46:06,449 --> 07:46:08,849
discussed and everybody knows

13509
07:46:14,557 --> 07:46:15,525
how tricky that gets in terms

13510
07:46:15,525 --> 07:46:16,359
of redistricting and promises

13511
07:46:16,359 --> 07:46:17,930
of new schools that get

13512
07:46:17,930 --> 07:46:17,293
postponed and all that sort of

13513
07:46:17,293 --> 07:46:19,293
thing.

13514
07:46:20,597 --> 07:46:21,464
As things stand, a huge

13515
07:46:21,464 --> 07:46:22,999
amount of impervious surfaces

13516
07:46:22,999 --> 07:46:25,999
detract from the watershed and

13517
07:46:26,869 --> 07:46:27,737
threaten those of us nearby who

13518
07:46:27,737 --> 07:46:28,771
depend on well water for our

13519
07:46:28,771 --> 07:46:28,871
homes

13520
07:46:28,871 --> 07:46:30,871
.

13521
07:46:32,609 --> 07:46:35,578
It matters of the planning

13522
07:46:35,578 --> 07:46:36,179
commission recommended denial

13523
07:46:36,179 --> 07:46:38,579
were at least 10 serious

13524
07:46:42,685 --> 07:46:43,319
problems with the proposal.

13525
07:46:43,319 --> 07:46:45,455
I would ask you seriously

13526
07:46:45,455 --> 07:46:47,855
consider and deny this

13527
07:46:48,524 --> 07:46:48,791
application.

13528
07:46:48,791 --> 07:46:49,792
Thank you.

13529
07:46:49,792 --> 07:46:51,792
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

13530
07:46:58,902 --> 07:46:59,601
next speaker

13531
07:46:59,601 --> 07:47:00,637
, please.

13532
07:47:00,637 --> 07:47:01,537
>> Public Speaker: good evening

13533
07:47:01,537 --> 07:47:01,738
chair jefferson, members of the

13534
07:47:01,738 --> 07:47:02,571
board.

13535
07:47:02,571 --> 07:47:03,773
My name is ashley, occoquan

13536
07:47:03,773 --> 07:47:04,340
district.

13537
07:47:04,340 --> 07:47:05,608
Speaking on behalf of the

13538
07:47:05,608 --> 07:47:06,576
prince william conservation

13539
07:47:06,576 --> 07:47:09,576
alliance and I request the

13540
07:47:09,678 --> 07:47:10,647
additional time in prince

13541
07:47:10,647 --> 07:47:11,214
william conservation alliances

13542
07:47:11,214 --> 07:47:11,848
and environmental

13543
07:47:11,848 --> 07:47:13,616
nonprofit.

13544
07:47:13,616 --> 07:47:16,616
We have been operational for 20

13545
07:47:19,956 --> 07:47:20,823
years in the county and our

13546
07:47:20,823 --> 07:47:23,693
focus is on creating equitable

13547
07:47:23,693 --> 07:47:24,494
and sustainable communities

13548
07:47:24,494 --> 07:47:25,528
.

13549
07:47:25,528 --> 07:47:27,528
The occoquan reservoir

13550
07:47:27,864 --> 07:47:28,364
production area was created

13551
07:47:28,364 --> 07:47:28,565
just 2.5 years ago.

13552
07:47:28,565 --> 07:47:30,565
N lot of

13553
07:47:32,101 --> 07:47:33,136
this

13554
07:47:33,136 --> 07:47:34,203
.

13555
07:47:34,203 --> 07:47:36,973
Martin did a terrific job

13556
07:47:36,973 --> 07:47:37,607
providing an outline here, but

13557
07:47:37,607 --> 07:47:38,541
I did want to highlight a

13558
07:47:38,541 --> 07:47:41,541
couple points that he pointed

13559
07:47:43,279 --> 07:47:44,447
out.

13560
07:47:44,447 --> 07:47:45,281
This was established 2.5 years

13561
07:47:45,281 --> 07:47:45,782
ago as part of the company and

13562
07:47:45,782 --> 07:47:47,782
supply an update.

13563
07:47:49,919 --> 07:47:50,887
The same update resolved the

13564
07:47:50,887 --> 07:47:54,487
urban growth boundary and as a

13565
07:47:56,192 --> 07:47:57,160
result significantly increased

13566
07:47:57,160 --> 07:48:00,160
the allowable density in the

13567
07:48:01,231 --> 07:48:01,931
occoquan reservoir watershed.

13568
07:48:01,931 --> 07:48:03,990
Which is already one of the

13569
07:48:03,990 --> 07:48:03,633
most urbanized drinking water

13570
07:48:03,633 --> 07:48:05,680
watersheds in the country.

13571
07:48:05,680 --> 07:48:08,680
While there are watersheds more

13572
07:48:10,206 --> 07:48:11,574
urbanized, they are not able to

13573
07:48:11,574 --> 07:48:13,974
convey drinking water an

13574
07:48:15,211 --> 07:48:17,647
affordable cost the way the

13575
07:48:17,647 --> 07:48:18,381
occoquan does.

13576
07:48:18,381 --> 07:48:20,650
This change was made despite

13577
07:48:20,650 --> 07:48:24,250
the request to conduct a water

13578
07:48:33,796 --> 07:48:34,330
study prior to making such

13579
07:48:34,330 --> 07:48:34,697
significantly induced

13580
07:48:34,697 --> 07:48:35,698
decisions.

13581
07:48:35,698 --> 07:48:36,266
we are still waiting for the

13582
07:48:36,266 --> 07:48:36,866
results, although my

13583
07:48:36,866 --> 07:48:38,468
understanding is those are

13584
07:48:38,468 --> 07:48:39,502
being wrapped up.

13585
07:48:39,502 --> 07:48:40,470
And also recommended ground

13586
07:48:40,470 --> 07:48:40,737
water study has also not been

13587
07:48:40,737 --> 07:48:42,737
conducted.

13588
07:48:45,742 --> 07:48:46,409
With the adoption of the new

13589
07:48:46,409 --> 07:48:47,309
comprehensive plan, orpa has

13590
07:48:47,309 --> 07:48:50,309
become the primary strategy for

13591
07:48:50,713 --> 07:48:51,714
protecting the occoquan

13592
07:48:51,714 --> 07:48:52,348
reservoir in the groundwater

13593
07:48:52,348 --> 07:48:55,348
resources that are in that

13594
07:48:56,190 --> 07:48:57,200
area.

13595
07:48:57,200 --> 07:48:57,720
Like we heard before, orpa

13596
07:48:57,720 --> 07:48:59,720
follows watershed boundaries

13597
07:49:04,893 --> 07:49:05,828
and hydrogeologic lines and

13598
07:49:05,828 --> 07:49:06,563
these were not arbitrary.

13599
07:49:06,563 --> 07:49:08,963
They were drawn intentionally

13600
07:49:09,499 --> 07:49:10,900
and based on the geology that

13601
07:49:10,900 --> 07:49:13,300
are particularly susceptible to

13602
07:49:14,604 --> 07:49:15,438
droughts and it's why I

13603
07:49:15,438 --> 07:49:17,600
mentioned earlier maple valley

13604
07:49:17,600 --> 07:49:19,275
grove really does fit into

13605
07:49:19,275 --> 07:49:21,275
these categories.

13606
07:49:23,780 --> 07:49:24,747
We already work including the

13607
07:49:24,747 --> 07:49:27,830
parcels that could have and

13608
07:49:27,830 --> 07:49:27,650
should have been included

13609
07:49:27,650 --> 07:49:29,285
.

13610
07:49:29,285 --> 07:49:32,285
Without a groundwater study, we

13611
07:49:34,958 --> 07:49:36,125
do not fully understand how

13612
07:49:36,125 --> 07:49:37,126
increased development pressure

13613
07:49:37,126 --> 07:49:38,193
would affect these resources

13614
07:49:38,193 --> 07:49:40,193
over time.

13615
07:49:43,833 --> 07:49:44,467
And now just 2.5 years later

13616
07:49:44,467 --> 07:49:45,335
after than density in the

13617
07:49:45,335 --> 07:49:46,936
watershed has been

13618
07:49:46,936 --> 07:49:47,804
significantly increased, we are

13619
07:49:47,804 --> 07:49:50,804
facing the first request to

13620
07:50:01,884 --> 07:50:02,952
remove land from the orpa area.

13621
07:50:02,952 --> 07:50:03,887
Planning staff has recommended

13622
07:50:03,887 --> 07:50:04,888
approval they highlighted

13623
07:50:04,888 --> 07:50:05,889
prioritizing affordable housing

13624
07:50:05,889 --> 07:50:06,522
goals over upholding our

13625
07:50:06,522 --> 07:50:06,789
primary policy to protect

13626
07:50:06,789 --> 07:50:07,390
critical

13627
07:50:07,390 --> 07:50:07,690
drinking water

13628
07:50:07,690 --> 07:50:09,690
resources.

13629
07:50:09,926 --> 07:50:10,660
This creates an either/or

13630
07:50:10,660 --> 07:50:13,660
scenario when the whole purpose

13631
07:50:14,330 --> 07:50:14,931
a comprehensive planning is a

13632
07:50:14,931 --> 07:50:17,466
course to be able to say yes

13633
07:50:17,466 --> 07:50:17,634
and

13634
07:50:17,634 --> 07:50:18,568
.

13635
07:50:18,568 --> 07:50:21,304
I want to acknowledge the

13636
07:50:21,304 --> 07:50:23,239
comments made on the planning

13637
07:50:23,239 --> 07:50:23,438
commission hearing that I heard

13638
07:50:23,438 --> 07:50:25,438
.

13639
07:50:32,949 --> 07:50:33,816
It was really important for me,

13640
07:50:33,816 --> 07:50:34,484
for all of us to hear from

13641
07:50:34,484 --> 07:50:35,417
residents who spoke favorably

13642
07:50:35,417 --> 07:50:38,417
about this proposal and hear

13643
07:50:39,220 --> 07:50:39,956
their lived experiences and

13644
07:50:39,956 --> 07:50:40,456
their hopes and this proposal

13645
07:50:40,456 --> 07:50:40,890
represents on their

13646
07:50:40,890 --> 07:50:42,580
perspectives really

13647
07:50:42,580 --> 07:50:44,580
matter.

13648
07:50:45,695 --> 07:50:46,563
It is really heartening to hear

13649
07:50:46,563 --> 07:50:47,564
the stories and I appreciate

13650
07:50:47,564 --> 07:50:48,130
the care and thought it brought

13651
07:50:48,130 --> 07:50:50,130
to that discussion.

13652
07:50:51,935 --> 07:50:53,935
By looking

13653
07:50:56,839 --> 07:50:57,740
up the county holistically we

13654
07:50:57,740 --> 07:51:00,740
can accommodate the vision in

13655
07:51:02,478 --> 07:51:04,881
the dream and continued growth

13656
07:51:04,881 --> 07:51:06,881
by incentivizing redevelopment

13657
07:51:09,218 --> 07:51:10,186
near the existing transit hubs

13658
07:51:10,186 --> 07:51:12,186
while offering additional

13659
07:51:15,959 --> 07:51:16,593
housing configurations

13660
07:51:16,593 --> 07:51:18,427
.

13661
07:51:18,427 --> 07:51:22,270
I'm going to use this really

13662
07:51:22,966 --> 07:51:23,900
quick.

13663
07:51:23,900 --> 07:51:25,340
Even though I will know for

13664
07:51:25,340 --> 07:51:29,834
next time to zoom in so we can

13665
07:51:32,208 --> 07:51:33,309
see this better.

13666
07:51:33,309 --> 07:51:36,309
And allow for different housing

13667
07:51:41,384 --> 07:51:41,651
configuration and the aa

13668
07:51:41,651 --> 07:51:42,352
.

13669
07:51:42,352 --> 07:51:45,952
The arts and ag arts overlay

13670
07:51:46,890 --> 07:51:47,891
which is in yellow here.

13671
07:51:47,891 --> 07:51:48,524
To protect our natural and

13672
07:51:48,524 --> 07:51:50,924
cultural resources for the

13673
07:51:51,427 --> 07:51:54,730
benefit of all residents and to

13674
07:51:54,730 --> 07:51:57,130
allow for diverse housing.

13675
07:51:58,401 --> 07:52:00,300
I will say the project does

13676
07:52:00,300 --> 07:52:03,300
have a lot to offer.

13677
07:52:03,573 --> 07:52:07,773
If it were located in one of

13678
07:52:08,978 --> 07:52:10,780
the red areas, that would be

13679
07:52:10,780 --> 07:52:11,281
awesome and provide a loft

13680
07:52:11,281 --> 07:52:13,281
, and

13681
07:52:16,219 --> 07:52:18,619
of protecting the reducing

13682
07:52:18,855 --> 07:52:19,889
green space we have in those

13683
07:52:19,889 --> 07:52:20,390
areas

13684
07:52:20,390 --> 07:52:22,390
.

13685
07:52:25,428 --> 07:52:26,950
You can see the map on the

13686
07:52:26,950 --> 07:52:26,429
other side that there are

13687
07:52:26,429 --> 07:52:28,429
parcels.

13688
07:52:34,369 --> 07:52:34,904
You can see the little flex of

13689
07:52:34,904 --> 07:52:35,805
purple and green.

13690
07:52:35,805 --> 07:52:36,773
There are parcels we can and

13691
07:52:36,773 --> 07:52:38,106
should protect in these areas.

13692
07:52:38,106 --> 07:52:40,506
Configuration like we are

13693
07:52:41,678 --> 07:52:45,278
seeing here one of the areas

13694
07:52:45,381 --> 07:52:47,781
would be absolutely phenomenal

13695
07:52:47,850 --> 07:52:51,221
for the residents in the areas

13696
07:52:51,221 --> 07:52:53,621
that are experiencing depleted

13697
07:52:53,790 --> 07:52:56,492
green space and they have a

13698
07:52:56,492 --> 07:52:59,492
right should have access to

13699
07:53:00,230 --> 07:53:01,231
walk out there door and get

13700
07:53:01,231 --> 07:53:03,366
into some trees as well because

13701
07:53:03,366 --> 07:53:06,366
there's a lotta health benefits

13702
07:53:09,372 --> 07:53:10,730
for that.

13703
07:53:10,730 --> 07:53:13,576
It really comes down to that

13704
07:53:13,576 --> 07:53:17,176
here in the area our focus

13705
07:53:17,814 --> 07:53:20,814
should be building upon the

13706
07:53:21,351 --> 07:53:23,553
density framework and ensuring

13707
07:53:23,553 --> 07:53:25,553
it succeeds.

13708
07:53:26,322 --> 07:53:28,240
In fact

13709
07:53:28,240 --> 07:53:28,925
, we've had multiple

13710
07:53:28,925 --> 07:53:31,925
meetings with county staff in

13711
07:53:33,620 --> 07:53:33,663
the late supervisor and

13712
07:53:33,663 --> 07:53:35,663
supervisor boddye about

13713
07:53:38,167 --> 07:53:39,102
discussing the importance of

13714
07:53:39,102 --> 07:53:39,702
orpa, how we can build on the

13715
07:53:39,702 --> 07:53:41,838
framework and the need to

13716
07:53:41,838 --> 07:53:43,838
created dedicated zoning

13717
07:53:44,340 --> 07:53:45,410
district so we can build upon

13718
07:53:45,410 --> 07:53:47,441
and strengthen the protections

13719
07:53:48,177 --> 07:53:51,114
of the framework is designed to

13720
07:53:51,114 --> 07:53:53,114
provide.

13721
07:53:54,550 --> 07:53:55,551
This should come first.

13722
07:53:55,551 --> 07:53:57,951
The bayreuth development is

13723
07:54:03,993 --> 07:54:04,928
mostly a one so that is one

13724
07:54:04,928 --> 07:54:05,662
house per 10 acres so even

13725
07:54:05,662 --> 07:54:08,662
proposals would still need to

13726
07:54:09,165 --> 07:54:10,660
go through rezoning

13727
07:54:10,660 --> 07:54:10,733
.

13728
07:54:10,733 --> 07:54:13,733
Honest away from the speaker

13729
07:54:14,571 --> 07:54:15,370
before the farm, you can't hear

13730
07:54:15,370 --> 07:54:18,970
her story and hear your have

13731
07:54:20,643 --> 07:54:22,643
your heart broken.

13732
07:54:23,680 --> 07:54:26,115
When I heard that I felt so sad

13733
07:54:26,115 --> 07:54:29,115
we have not yet incentivized

13734
07:54:30,720 --> 07:54:31,421
this type of land use and

13735
07:54:31,421 --> 07:54:32,222
supported her vision for what

13736
07:54:32,222 --> 07:54:34,622
the parcel could and

13737
07:54:38,610 --> 07:54:38,695
should be.

13738
07:54:38,695 --> 07:54:39,562
To the point where she is

13739
07:54:39,562 --> 07:54:43,162
feeling she has no choice and

13740
07:54:45,501 --> 07:54:45,802
needs to be pushed out

13741
07:54:45,802 --> 07:54:46,269
.

13742
07:54:46,269 --> 07:54:47,270
I have to sit.

13743
07:54:47,270 --> 07:54:51,470
I think we should sit with that

13744
07:54:52,575 --> 07:54:53,141
sadness we do not on the

13745
07:54:53,141 --> 07:54:54,770
incentives in place to

13746
07:54:54,770 --> 07:54:54,777
encourage thought and instead

13747
07:54:54,777 --> 07:54:58,377
we are seeing data centers by

13748
07:54:59,549 --> 07:55:00,416
up our nurseries and we are

13749
07:55:00,416 --> 07:55:00,817
seeing the lower green

13750
07:55:00,817 --> 07:55:02,817
businesses leave

13751
07:55:03,119 --> 07:55:05,119
.

13752
07:55:06,890 --> 07:55:09,859
And I don't think that's the

13753
07:55:09,859 --> 07:55:10,426
direction I want to go.

13754
07:55:10,426 --> 07:55:13,426
Right now the board is

13755
07:55:15,932 --> 07:55:16,566
considering starting to erode

13756
07:55:16,566 --> 07:55:17,634
what is become our primary

13757
07:55:17,634 --> 07:55:18,934
production strategy, especially

13758
07:55:18,934 --> 07:55:19,936
at the time when we are seeing

13759
07:55:19,936 --> 07:55:21,936
unprecedented development

13760
07:55:26,910 --> 07:55:27,510
pressure across the county it's

13761
07:55:27,510 --> 07:55:30,510
not argument to say the

13762
07:55:31,648 --> 07:55:32,614
proposal only removes whatever

13763
07:55:32,614 --> 07:55:36,214
number of acres or is whatever

13764
07:55:37,887 --> 07:55:38,154
percent of orpa or the

13765
07:55:38,154 --> 07:55:38,888
watershed.

13766
07:55:38,888 --> 07:55:41,224
This is about upholding a

13767
07:55:41,224 --> 07:55:41,858
policy.

13768
07:55:41,858 --> 07:55:44,858
It's about sending a clear

13769
07:55:46,262 --> 07:55:47,263
message we take a

13770
07:55:47,263 --> 07:55:47,864
responsibility estimates of the

13771
07:55:47,864 --> 07:55:49,864
critical drinking water

13772
07:55:51,534 --> 07:55:52,835
resource seriously and that we

13773
07:55:52,835 --> 07:55:54,370
are part of the responsibility

13774
07:55:54,370 --> 07:55:57,370
rather than contribute in the

13775
07:55:57,307 --> 07:55:59,307
death of 10,000 cuts.

13776
07:56:01,110 --> 07:56:02,111
We recommend this be denied.

13777
07:56:02,111 --> 07:56:04,111
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

13778
07:56:15,491 --> 07:56:16,492
next speaker, please.

13779
07:56:16,492 --> 07:56:16,726
>> Public Speaker: good

13780
07:56:16,726 --> 07:56:18,726
evening.

13781
07:56:19,262 --> 07:56:19,762
anne stevenson.

13782
07:56:19,762 --> 07:56:20,763
Occoquan district.

13783
07:56:20,763 --> 07:56:24,363
Thank you for letting me speak

13784
07:56:24,867 --> 07:56:25,568
again.

13785
07:56:25,568 --> 07:56:29,168
I would also like to address

13786
07:56:29,772 --> 07:56:31,772
the orpa.

13787
07:56:32,976 --> 07:56:33,977
And has had quite a history.

13788
07:56:33,977 --> 07:56:36,813
Martin with medco, meant county

13789
07:56:36,813 --> 07:56:39,213
civic association pursuit of

13790
07:56:39,882 --> 07:56:40,583
the creation of an occoquan

13791
07:56:40,583 --> 07:56:42,983
reservoir overlay district for

13792
07:56:46,823 --> 07:56:47,490
more than a decade.

13793
07:56:47,490 --> 07:56:48,458
Published a report with a list

13794
07:56:48,458 --> 07:56:50,858
of regulations for potential

13795
07:56:56,432 --> 07:56:57,433
overlay district in 2011.

13796
07:56:57,433 --> 07:56:58,568
The ashley is organization, the

13797
07:56:58,568 --> 07:57:00,968
conservation alliance, a local

13798
07:57:01,404 --> 07:57:03,720
nonprofit back plans for the

13799
07:57:03,720 --> 07:57:03,773
overlay district

13800
07:57:03,773 --> 07:57:04,440
.

13801
07:57:04,440 --> 07:57:05,374
That's what she was talking

13802
07:57:05,374 --> 07:57:07,374
about.

13803
07:57:08,544 --> 07:57:09,279
Executive director

13804
07:57:09,279 --> 07:57:11,279
, MAY she

13805
07:57:13,883 --> 07:57:15,351
rest in peace

13806
07:57:15,351 --> 07:57:16,753
, advocated for

13807
07:57:16,753 --> 07:57:17,387
development restrictions

13808
07:57:17,387 --> 07:57:17,654
throughout the entire occoquan

13809
07:57:17,654 --> 07:57:19,654
watershed.

13810
07:57:21,257 --> 07:57:22,158
From headwaters to river which

13811
07:57:22,158 --> 07:57:25,728
dan spans two thirds of the

13812
07:57:25,728 --> 07:57:27,728
county landmass.

13813
07:57:28,898 --> 07:57:31,898
Is important overlay to the

13814
07:57:33,503 --> 07:57:34,470
entire watershed addressing

13815
07:57:34,470 --> 07:57:35,204
problems in the upper reaches,

13816
07:57:35,204 --> 07:57:38,804
which is where the horse farm

13817
07:57:45,515 --> 07:57:46,515
is addressing problems in the

13818
07:57:46,515 --> 07:57:47,383
upper reaches of the watershed

13819
07:57:47,383 --> 07:57:47,917
and the headwaters is of

13820
07:57:47,917 --> 07:57:48,851
critical importance of.

13821
07:57:48,851 --> 07:57:49,485
If you screw up the headwaters

13822
07:57:49,485 --> 07:57:51,885
he will never recover.

13823
07:57:54,900 --> 07:57:55,910
To comment on whether or not

13824
07:57:55,910 --> 07:57:57,726
the pond on the horse farm is

13825
07:57:57,726 --> 07:57:58,394
springfed or not, the

13826
07:57:58,394 --> 07:58:01,394
information I was told by

13827
07:58:03,399 --> 07:58:05,399
colony will springfed.

13828
07:58:07,203 --> 07:58:09,203
No?

13829
07:58:09,338 --> 07:58:12,938
If you look at martin's overlay

13830
07:58:12,942 --> 07:58:16,542
were projection in each of the

13831
07:58:16,980 --> 07:58:19,980
protected areas the, dale city

13832
07:58:22,151 --> 07:58:23,185
and crosses over trenton road

13833
07:58:23,185 --> 07:58:24,687
and it covers the first section

13834
07:58:24,687 --> 07:58:28,424
of the horse farm when the pond

13835
07:58:28,424 --> 07:58:28,925
is.

13836
07:58:28,925 --> 07:58:29,659
That MAY need to be

13837
07:58:29,659 --> 07:58:31,694
investigated more because that

13838
07:58:31,694 --> 07:58:32,495
is in the protection area

13839
07:58:32,495 --> 07:58:35,495
according to the county map

13840
07:58:38,670 --> 07:58:40,670
there.

13841
07:58:41,136 --> 07:58:41,870
And then back in 2020

13842
07:58:41,870 --> 07:58:42,572
,

13843
07:58:42,572 --> 07:58:44,972
supervisor vega directed the

13844
07:58:46,709 --> 07:58:47,810
county staff to begin work on

13845
07:58:47,810 --> 07:58:50,479
an overlay district in NOVEMBER

13846
07:58:50,479 --> 07:58:52,282
2020 following several

13847
07:58:52,282 --> 07:58:54,282
development proposals approved

13848
07:58:56,319 --> 07:58:58,319
by the board.

13849
07:58:59,122 --> 07:58:59,856
At the time supervisor vega

13850
07:58:59,856 --> 07:59:02,856
said many of your constituents

13851
07:59:03,526 --> 07:59:04,527
are concerned about increased

13852
07:59:04,527 --> 07:59:06,527
development throughout the

13853
07:59:06,729 --> 07:59:09,729
county that could impact the

13854
07:59:11,401 --> 07:59:12,167
counties drinking water.

13855
07:59:12,167 --> 07:59:15,767
The last ground study was done

13856
07:59:17,406 --> 07:59:18,410
in 1997.

13857
07:59:18,410 --> 07:59:18,907
I know there is one in the

13858
07:59:18,907 --> 07:59:21,778
making but and hadn't yet been

13859
07:59:21,778 --> 07:59:21,978
done

13860
07:59:21,978 --> 07:59:23,978
.

13861
07:59:24,314 --> 07:59:27,216
I feel needs to be done before

13862
07:59:27,216 --> 07:59:27,917
the development takes place

13863
07:59:27,917 --> 07:59:30,853
within the orpa and potentially

13864
07:59:30,853 --> 07:59:33,853
will affect our drinking water

13865
07:59:36,559 --> 07:59:36,893
an hour wells

13866
07:59:36,893 --> 07:59:37,560
.

13867
07:59:37,560 --> 07:59:38,595
We all drink the water that

13868
07:59:38,595 --> 07:59:41,595
comes from these headwaters in

13869
07:59:42,665 --> 07:59:45,665
the end of the occoquan.

13870
07:59:47,470 --> 07:59:48,371
Going to read from prince

13871
07:59:48,371 --> 07:59:51,371
william county times dated back

13872
08:00:10,493 --> 08:00:11,494
in AUGUST 2021.

13873
08:00:11,494 --> 08:00:12,362
Quote is by supervisor boddye.

13874
08:00:12,362 --> 08:00:13,128
A major part of prince william

13875
08:00:13,128 --> 08:00:13,997
county commitment to its

13876
08:00:13,997 --> 08:00:14,998
citizens is ensuring

13877
08:00:14,998 --> 08:00:15,764
environmental resources,

13878
08:00:15,764 --> 08:00:17,000
including clean water arguably

13879
08:00:17,000 --> 08:00:17,934
the most important resource are

13880
08:00:17,934 --> 08:00:18,501
protected for current and

13881
08:00:18,501 --> 08:00:19,134
future generations.

13882
08:00:19,134 --> 08:00:21,134
Currently poorly planned

13883
08:00:23,720 --> 08:00:24,730
development lacks enforcement

13884
08:00:24,730 --> 08:00:25,740
of the normal safeguards

13885
08:00:25,740 --> 08:00:26,750
threatening the health of our

13886
08:00:26,750 --> 08:00:28,750
waterways, including the

13887
08:00:28,770 --> 08:00:28,177
occoquan reservoir.

13888
08:00:28,177 --> 08:00:29,212
He

13889
08:00:29,212 --> 08:00:30,647
regions drinking water supply

13890
08:00:30,647 --> 08:00:31,281
for the occoquan reservoir is

13891
08:00:31,281 --> 08:00:32,148
on the epa dirty waters list

13892
08:00:32,148 --> 08:00:35,148
and is condition continues to

13893
08:00:39,722 --> 08:00:40,290
decline posing a direct threat

13894
08:00:40,290 --> 08:00:40,924
to the cleanliness of your

13895
08:00:40,924 --> 08:00:41,691
drinking water will protecting

13896
08:00:41,691 --> 08:00:42,759
the watersheds that are

13897
08:00:42,759 --> 08:00:43,693
critical to the health of the

13898
08:00:43,693 --> 08:00:44,360
occoquan reservoir is both

13899
08:00:44,360 --> 08:00:46,760
affordable and practical once

13900
08:00:50,199 --> 08:00:50,733
the damage has been done

13901
08:00:50,733 --> 08:00:51,434
.

13902
08:00:51,434 --> 08:00:52,201
The cost to you as a taxpayer

13903
08:00:52,201 --> 08:00:53,202
will be astronomical.

13904
08:00:53,202 --> 08:00:53,937
Principal the monthly tools an

13905
08:00:53,937 --> 08:00:56,337
obligation to address this

13906
08:00:59,776 --> 08:01:00,343
issue

13907
08:01:00,343 --> 08:01:01,311
.

13908
08:01:01,311 --> 08:01:02,278
One of the most important tools

13909
08:01:02,278 --> 08:01:02,912
granted the local virginia

13910
08:01:02,912 --> 08:01:03,546
government is the ability to

13911
08:01:03,546 --> 08:01:04,547
protect waterfront land known

13912
08:01:04,547 --> 08:01:05,815
as the resource preservation

13913
08:01:05,815 --> 08:01:06,115
areas from clearing another

13914
08:01:06,115 --> 08:01:06,783
destruction.

13915
08:01:06,783 --> 08:01:09,183
These waterfront buffers are

13916
08:01:10,553 --> 08:01:11,387
lost to best of defense to vent

13917
08:01:11,387 --> 08:01:11,588
pollution in the ring are

13918
08:01:11,588 --> 08:01:12,822
water.

13919
08:01:12,822 --> 08:01:14,822
Serving occoquan

13920
08:01:15,425 --> 08:01:17,425
district

13921
08:01:21,300 --> 08:01:22,310
, I'm particularly

13922
08:01:22,310 --> 08:01:23,980
aware of the importance of

13923
08:01:23,980 --> 08:01:24,330
protecting waterways the

13924
08:01:24,330 --> 08:01:26,433
supervisors debated allowing on

13925
08:01:32,575 --> 08:01:33,476
development including data

13926
08:01:33,476 --> 08:01:34,577
centers in the county rural

13927
08:01:34,577 --> 08:01:35,245
crescent some residents rely on

13928
08:01:35,245 --> 08:01:36,246
private wells for drinking

13929
08:01:36,246 --> 08:01:37,714
water raised concerns about how

13930
08:01:37,714 --> 08:01:38,147
the kind of development might

13931
08:01:38,147 --> 08:01:38,781
affect groundwater.

13932
08:01:38,781 --> 08:01:39,616
The county is preparing options

13933
08:01:39,616 --> 08:01:40,183
and recommendations for a

13934
08:01:40,183 --> 08:01:42,583
groundwater study to be

13935
08:01:47,891 --> 08:01:48,591
considered in the making.

13936
08:01:48,591 --> 08:01:48,925
By signing onto the 20/40 comp

13937
08:01:48,925 --> 08:01:49,559
plan,

13938
08:01:49,559 --> 08:01:53,159
those of you who were here

13939
08:01:53,263 --> 08:01:54,697
, he made a promise with your

13940
08:01:54,697 --> 08:01:57,697
signature signing on to protect

13941
08:02:00,737 --> 08:02:01,236
and preserve this orpa for our

13942
08:02:01,236 --> 08:02:03,236
drinking water.

13943
08:02:07,242 --> 08:02:08,211
Please leave the orpa as is.

13944
08:02:08,211 --> 08:02:08,878
Really keep those promises?

13945
08:02:08,878 --> 08:02:09,746
Promises made, promises kept or

13946
08:02:09,746 --> 08:02:11,481
will the promises broken.

13947
08:02:11,481 --> 08:02:13,481
Please keep yours.

13948
08:02:19,522 --> 08:02:20,857
Keep the orpa thank you.

13949
08:02:20,857 --> 08:02:21,591
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

13950
08:02:21,591 --> 08:02:22,358
before I go to the next speaker

13951
08:02:22,358 --> 08:02:22,558
I want to call up the next

13952
08:02:22,558 --> 08:02:24,558
group.

13953
08:02:26,729 --> 08:02:27,564
Paul halberd to come I called

13954
08:02:27,564 --> 08:02:28,231
up catherine howard.

13955
08:02:28,231 --> 08:02:28,464
Catherine, paul, michael,

13956
08:02:28,464 --> 08:02:30,464
william

13957
08:02:35,772 --> 08:02:37,772
, clancy and jack.

13958
08:02:42,946 --> 08:02:44,800
You MAY proceed, sir.

13959
08:02:44,800 --> 08:02:44,948
>> Public Speaker: gary o'brien

13960
08:02:44,948 --> 08:02:46,583
again, coles district.

13961
08:02:46,583 --> 08:02:48,583
Thank you.

13962
08:02:50,986 --> 08:02:53,856
For the vote. If we continue

13963
08:02:53,856 --> 08:02:57,126
this path, I really worry about

13964
08:02:57,126 --> 08:02:57,794
this county.

13965
08:02:57,794 --> 08:03:02,594
If you look at the way we do

13966
08:03:04,567 --> 08:03:08,167
things here, it seems we set

13967
08:03:08,471 --> 08:03:09,720
these rules only to be broken.

13968
08:03:09,720 --> 08:03:12,800
Not having any real solid

13969
08:03:12,800 --> 08:03:14,777
protection for orpa is the case

13970
08:03:14,777 --> 08:03:15,445
in point.

13971
08:03:15,445 --> 08:03:19,645
We need to lock it down some

13972
08:03:22,619 --> 08:03:23,253
builders don't come in and say

13973
08:03:23,253 --> 08:03:24,653
we will get a waiver on a

13974
08:03:24,653 --> 08:03:25,622
portion of it and we will chip

13975
08:03:25,622 --> 08:03:26,689
away and eventually it will be

13976
08:03:26,689 --> 08:03:27,357
worthless

13977
08:03:27,357 --> 08:03:29,357
.

13978
08:03:32,795 --> 08:03:33,796
If you have been here for these

13979
08:03:33,796 --> 08:03:34,831
board meetings like I have over

13980
08:03:34,831 --> 08:03:35,732
the years, and the boards are

13981
08:03:35,732 --> 08:03:38,732
faced with lawsuits if they

13982
08:03:38,935 --> 08:03:41,335
refuse precedents that have

13983
08:03:42,604 --> 08:03:45,604
been set by their previous

13984
08:03:45,808 --> 08:03:46,409
votes.

13985
08:03:46,409 --> 08:03:49,409
Here we are setting another

13986
08:03:50,813 --> 08:03:51,514
precedent potentially.

13987
08:03:51,514 --> 08:03:55,114
And I continue to worry about

13988
08:04:06,396 --> 08:04:07,597
this because right now there's

13989
08:04:07,597 --> 08:04:07,864
a serious health problem in the

13990
08:04:07,864 --> 08:04:08,665
occoquan.

13991
08:04:08,665 --> 08:04:08,865
And it is growing worse and

13992
08:04:08,865 --> 08:04:09,766
worse.

13993
08:04:09,766 --> 08:04:10,600
The data centers are going to

13994
08:04:10,600 --> 08:04:13,690
make it worse as they flush

13995
08:04:13,690 --> 08:04:13,803
their systems.

13996
08:04:13,803 --> 08:04:14,837
Now, where are we going to get

13997
08:04:14,837 --> 08:04:16,837
our water from.

13998
08:04:19,175 --> 08:04:20,510
Clean water if we don't

13999
08:04:20,510 --> 08:04:21,377
, if we

14000
08:04:21,377 --> 08:04:22,278
have to share it with data

14001
08:04:22,278 --> 08:04:24,278
centers and potentially.

14002
08:04:26,249 --> 08:04:26,916
Hate to say this, but nuclear

14003
08:04:26,916 --> 08:04:28,318
power plants potentially to run

14004
08:04:28,318 --> 08:04:29,185
these things

14005
08:04:29,185 --> 08:04:30,153
.

14006
08:04:30,153 --> 08:04:32,255
Where are we going to get our

14007
08:04:32,255 --> 08:04:33,220
water?

14008
08:04:33,220 --> 08:04:35,959
We are already having droughts

14009
08:04:35,959 --> 08:04:37,293
and severe floods

14010
08:04:37,293 --> 08:04:38,270
.

14011
08:04:38,270 --> 08:04:38,895
The floods are causing damage

14012
08:04:38,895 --> 08:04:40,163
that we are spending a fortune

14013
08:04:40,163 --> 08:04:41,631
to repair

14014
08:04:41,631 --> 08:04:41,898
, streams and what

14015
08:04:41,898 --> 08:04:43,898
have you.

14016
08:04:50,206 --> 08:04:50,974
And that is not cheap.

14017
08:04:50,974 --> 08:04:51,874
And if we are to use osmosis to

14018
08:04:51,874 --> 08:04:53,343
get the salt out of the water,

14019
08:04:53,343 --> 08:04:53,776
imagine what is going to cost

14020
08:04:53,776 --> 08:04:56,176
us for fresh water.

14021
08:05:00,817 --> 08:05:01,651
And if you have a salt problem

14022
08:05:01,651 --> 08:05:02,651
in your diet, you going to

14023
08:05:02,651 --> 08:05:03,319
drink bottled water because he

14024
08:05:03,319 --> 08:05:04,988
won't be able to drink anything

14025
08:05:04,988 --> 08:05:05,654
out of the faucet.

14026
08:05:05,654 --> 08:05:06,489
And I didn't hear anything

14027
08:05:06,489 --> 08:05:09,489
about the schools this last

14028
08:05:09,993 --> 08:05:10,627
time.

14029
08:05:10,627 --> 08:05:11,561
Are we going to get the money

14030
08:05:11,561 --> 08:05:15,980
for all the schools the kids

14031
08:05:15,980 --> 08:05:18,980
are going to come into.

14032
08:05:20,270 --> 08:05:20,870
I didn't see any proffers.

14033
08:05:20,870 --> 08:05:24,470
They said there was but I

14034
08:05:26,342 --> 08:05:27,430
didn't hear any.

14035
08:05:27,430 --> 08:05:27,944
And it is not cheap busing kids

14036
08:05:27,944 --> 08:05:30,944
and nobody likes their kids

14037
08:05:33,216 --> 08:05:34,217
being bussed outside their area

14038
08:05:34,217 --> 08:05:34,550
to satisfy a builder that wants

14039
08:05:34,550 --> 08:05:35,217
to build high

14040
08:05:35,217 --> 08:05:37,217
density in the

14041
08:05:39,355 --> 08:05:41,355
wrong place.

14042
08:05:42,258 --> 08:05:45,328
On who is to say the courts is

14043
08:05:45,328 --> 08:05:46,296
going to be built before this

14044
08:05:46,296 --> 08:05:49,599
maple valley is going to be

14045
08:05:49,599 --> 08:05:49,999
built

14046
08:05:49,999 --> 08:05:51,000
.

14047
08:05:51,000 --> 08:05:51,634
In this and thought going to

14048
08:05:51,634 --> 08:05:55,234
have low density or low cost

14049
08:05:56,873 --> 08:05:57,574
housing?

14050
08:05:57,574 --> 08:05:58,374
And yet you say you needed this

14051
08:05:58,374 --> 08:05:59,508
one for low-cost housing.

14052
08:05:59,508 --> 08:06:02,245
Will, in another 279 know you

14053
08:06:02,245 --> 08:06:04,714
want double that with this

14054
08:06:04,714 --> 08:06:06,714
development.

14055
08:06:12,522 --> 08:06:15,522
I just don't get it.

14056
08:06:20,730 --> 08:06:22,980
As far as the pond goes, I

14057
08:06:22,980 --> 08:06:22,599
can't imagine a pond not being

14058
08:06:22,599 --> 08:06:23,299
self-sufficient.

14059
08:06:23,299 --> 08:06:26,299
There isn't any stream that

14060
08:06:27,337 --> 08:06:27,971
runs into it and you want to

14061
08:06:27,971 --> 08:06:28,605
have a house built over a

14062
08:06:28,605 --> 08:06:29,405
stream or a

14063
08:06:29,405 --> 08:06:30,390
pond?

14064
08:06:30,390 --> 08:06:32,709
I made the mistake of buying a

14065
08:06:32,709 --> 08:06:35,709
townhouse built inside a dry

14066
08:06:36,379 --> 08:06:37,146
lake.

14067
08:06:37,146 --> 08:06:37,914
Every time it rained the

14068
08:06:37,914 --> 08:06:40,314
basement practically filled up

14069
08:06:40,850 --> 08:06:41,484
with water.

14070
08:06:41,484 --> 08:06:44,484
These MAY not have basements

14071
08:06:45,121 --> 08:06:46,550
but I still wouldn't want my

14072
08:06:46,550 --> 08:06:48,455
foundation on unsolved the

14073
08:06:48,491 --> 08:06:50,491
ground.

14074
08:06:52,495 --> 08:06:55,765
We have a number of issues here

14075
08:06:55,765 --> 08:06:57,333
speak the biggest one being

14076
08:06:57,333 --> 08:06:59,469
orpa is setting a precedent

14077
08:06:59,469 --> 08:07:01,469
.

14078
08:07:01,838 --> 08:07:02,538
We are ready approved some low

14079
08:07:02,538 --> 08:07:02,772
income housing.

14080
08:07:02,772 --> 08:07:04,772
E are going

14081
08:07:05,541 --> 08:07:08,111
to have more with courts

14082
08:07:08,111 --> 08:07:10,111
.

14083
08:07:11,114 --> 08:07:12,480
And we had to sacrifice orpa in

14084
08:07:12,480 --> 08:07:15,648
the freshwater we need for our

14085
08:07:16,952 --> 08:07:17,887
future and our futures children

14086
08:07:17,887 --> 08:07:20,887
just to make some builder

14087
08:07:21,891 --> 08:07:23,891
happy?

14088
08:07:25,828 --> 08:07:26,829
I don't get it.

14089
08:07:26,829 --> 08:07:29,899
And if you really are hell-bent

14090
08:07:29,899 --> 08:07:30,320
determined to vote for this

14091
08:07:30,320 --> 08:07:32,320
,

14092
08:07:32,135 --> 08:07:34,535
what about that property.

14093
08:07:36,390 --> 08:07:36,973
Why don't you delay this and

14094
08:07:36,973 --> 08:07:40,573
think give us the property is

14095
08:07:43,212 --> 08:07:44,213
offset what you're taking away

14096
08:07:44,213 --> 08:07:44,781
and putting in conservation

14097
08:07:44,781 --> 08:07:46,649
instead of making it

14098
08:07:46,649 --> 08:07:48,649
industrial.

14099
08:07:49,519 --> 08:07:49,886
Industrial in the area doesn't

14100
08:07:49,886 --> 08:07:51,886
make any sense.

14101
08:07:55,291 --> 08:07:56,250
In fact, it makes things worse.

14102
08:07:56,250 --> 08:07:59,625
In conclusion, I think we have

14103
08:08:01,497 --> 08:08:05,970
to look for the future and

14104
08:08:07,360 --> 08:08:07,770
think logically and do what's

14105
08:08:07,770 --> 08:08:10,170
right for citizens and

14106
08:08:12,709 --> 08:08:15,109
taxpayers because bad mistakes

14107
08:08:25,688 --> 08:08:26,890
now are going to cost us a lot

14108
08:08:26,890 --> 08:08:26,389
more leaders.

14109
08:08:26,389 --> 08:08:27,256
Ook at schools

14110
08:08:27,256 --> 08:08:28,910
p $50-$60 million for the next

14111
08:08:28,910 --> 08:08:28,725
middle school.

14112
08:08:28,725 --> 08:08:28,958
MAY be 79 million for the next

14113
08:08:28,958 --> 08:08:29,659
school.

14114
08:08:29,659 --> 08:08:30,193
Where is that money going to

14115
08:08:30,193 --> 08:08:30,460
come from?

14116
08:08:30,460 --> 08:08:31,694
Thank you.

14117
08:08:31,694 --> 08:08:33,694
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

14118
08:08:35,999 --> 08:08:37,999
next speaker, please.

14119
08:08:39,680 --> 08:08:41,680
>> Public Speaker: michael,

14120
08:08:42,705 --> 08:08:44,705
occoquan district.

14121
08:08:47,843 --> 08:08:48,577
Thank you all for the time.

14122
08:08:48,577 --> 08:08:51,381
I would like to talk a little

14123
08:08:51,381 --> 08:08:54,981
bit about impacts and what we

14124
08:08:57,220 --> 08:08:57,887
see from these projects.

14125
08:08:57,887 --> 08:08:58,788
One was already approved.

14126
08:08:58,788 --> 08:08:59,522
We are looking on this one is

14127
08:08:59,522 --> 08:09:00,823
approved which they are not

14128
08:09:00,823 --> 08:09:02,823
equal is reestablished.

14129
08:09:05,395 --> 08:09:05,562
One is in deep orpa, one isn't

14130
08:09:05,562 --> 08:09:07,562
.

14131
08:09:08,131 --> 08:09:11,731
but it is 550 homes here in

14132
08:09:11,801 --> 08:09:12,468
looking at depending on what

14133
08:09:12,468 --> 08:09:14,868
estimate measure you use,

14134
08:09:17,730 --> 08:09:17,907
around 3000 to 4000 trips on

14135
08:09:17,907 --> 08:09:21,744
hoadley in the span of a day

14136
08:09:21,744 --> 08:09:23,744
between deliveries, trash

14137
08:09:27,650 --> 08:09:28,351
trucks, cars, what have you.

14138
08:09:28,351 --> 08:09:29,152
You put that much traffic on

14139
08:09:29,152 --> 08:09:32,152
hoadley road and you are

14140
08:09:33,523 --> 08:09:34,223
looking at having to solve that

14141
08:09:34,223 --> 08:09:35,525
traffic issue which is already

14142
08:09:35,525 --> 08:09:36,192
a problem, which MAY be a means

14143
08:09:36,192 --> 08:09:37,126
whitening hoadley road so I

14144
08:09:37,126 --> 08:09:38,270
hope the residents enjoy that

14145
08:09:38,270 --> 08:09:40,763
road getting a little closer to

14146
08:09:40,763 --> 08:09:41,464
their homes.

14147
08:09:41,464 --> 08:09:43,700
Let's talk about the schools

14148
08:09:43,700 --> 08:09:45,700
for a second.

14149
08:09:46,436 --> 08:09:49,405
The elementary and high school

14150
08:09:49,405 --> 08:09:51,405
is overcrowded today

14151
08:09:53,109 --> 08:09:54,110
.

14152
08:09:54,110 --> 08:09:55,578
It is at 100 percent and I

14153
08:09:55,578 --> 08:09:56,145
appreciate the developer

14154
08:09:56,145 --> 08:09:58,545
proffering money toward it

14155
08:09:59,349 --> 08:10:00,216
unlike the other one that we

14156
08:10:00,216 --> 08:10:01,217
approved in the room and put

14157
08:10:01,217 --> 08:10:02,651
more burden on me tonight and

14158
08:10:02,651 --> 08:10:03,219
all the people in the room

14159
08:10:03,219 --> 08:10:05,880
.

14160
08:10:05,880 --> 08:10:07,690
If you live in prince on them

14161
08:10:07,690 --> 08:10:08,391
county.

14162
08:10:08,391 --> 08:10:12,462
My kids are looking to going to

14163
08:10:12,462 --> 08:10:12,896
school the elementary in

14164
08:10:12,896 --> 08:10:13,663
trailers.

14165
08:10:13,663 --> 08:10:16,399
Nathan who you praised tonight

14166
08:10:16,399 --> 08:10:19,868
in here, they have trailers at

14167
08:10:19,868 --> 08:10:20,969
colgan high school.

14168
08:10:20,969 --> 08:10:21,571
Is that what we want in our

14169
08:10:21,571 --> 08:10:23,971
community to take 100 percent

14170
08:10:26,676 --> 08:10:27,577
packed schools and make that

14171
08:10:27,577 --> 08:10:29,846
the way our kids go to school

14172
08:10:29,846 --> 08:10:30,780
and then to solve it because

14173
08:10:30,780 --> 08:10:33,780
the proffers while they are

14174
08:10:36,318 --> 08:10:36,619
great, they do not solve

14175
08:10:36,619 --> 08:10:37,520
everything.

14176
08:10:37,520 --> 08:10:38,488
You're talking about additional

14177
08:10:38,488 --> 08:10:40,623
funding coming out of each

14178
08:10:40,623 --> 08:10:43,623
taxpayers pocket to fix a

14179
08:10:47,230 --> 08:10:47,764
problem were saying yes to

14180
08:10:47,764 --> 08:10:47,997
tonight that is not our

14181
08:10:47,997 --> 08:10:48,898
problem.

14182
08:10:48,898 --> 08:10:51,968
We are creating the problem in

14183
08:10:51,968 --> 08:10:52,635
this room

14184
08:10:52,635 --> 08:10:54,635
.

14185
08:11:00,310 --> 08:11:01,311
We breeze passed another thing

14186
08:11:01,311 --> 08:11:02,312
that flew past earlier in the

14187
08:11:02,312 --> 08:11:02,645
night about the, I get forget

14188
08:11:02,645 --> 08:11:03,612
the phrasing.

14189
08:11:03,612 --> 08:11:03,980
The cultural significant area

14190
08:11:03,980 --> 08:11:05,980
on the project.

14191
08:11:07,749 --> 08:11:08,451
Just so everyone is clear,

14192
08:11:08,451 --> 08:11:10,420
that's a site that predates

14193
08:11:10,420 --> 08:11:12,820
colonial sediment the pattern

14194
08:11:12,889 --> 08:11:13,756
of life in any archaeological

14195
08:11:13,756 --> 08:11:17,600
area means it is not just in

14196
08:11:17,600 --> 08:11:17,360
the area which it is

14197
08:11:17,360 --> 08:11:19,360
discovered.

14198
08:11:22,365 --> 08:11:23,266
Once we bulldoze that area and

14199
08:11:23,266 --> 08:11:26,866
disturb it, that is damage that

14200
08:11:29,505 --> 08:11:30,273
can't be recovered from.

14201
08:11:30,273 --> 08:11:32,609
So there is also the orpa which

14202
08:11:32,609 --> 08:11:33,309
we talked about in depth.

14203
08:11:33,309 --> 08:11:35,430
The orpa was put in place to

14204
08:11:35,430 --> 08:11:37,443
protect every single persons

14205
08:11:40,617 --> 08:11:41,584
drinking water in this area.

14206
08:11:41,584 --> 08:11:42,652
We heard at naseem I don't want

14207
08:11:42,652 --> 08:11:44,587
to go through it and repeat

14208
08:11:44,587 --> 08:11:47,323
what others have said it better

14209
08:11:47,323 --> 08:11:48,240
than I can.

14210
08:11:48,240 --> 08:11:49,926
I know from the well-known

14211
08:11:49,926 --> 08:11:52,926
property because I bought the

14212
08:11:54,300 --> 08:11:56,532
house from family, the well has

14213
08:11:56,532 --> 08:11:58,568
lowered the amount of gallons

14214
08:11:58,568 --> 08:12:00,568
per minute reduced.

14215
08:12:02,905 --> 08:12:03,539
It was drilled in 1986.

14216
08:12:03,539 --> 08:12:05,508
The cost and impact of the

14217
08:12:05,508 --> 08:12:06,209
people who live in my area

14218
08:12:06,209 --> 08:12:08,209
, the

14219
08:12:12,480 --> 08:12:13,316
entire mid to co-area, to draw

14220
08:12:13,316 --> 08:12:13,816
up a new well you're talking

14221
08:12:13,816 --> 08:12:15,816
$10,000-$40,000.

14222
08:12:18,253 --> 08:12:22,453
So if we vote yes on this

14223
08:12:23,927 --> 08:12:24,827
particular project tonight when

14224
08:12:24,827 --> 08:12:25,562
somebody in prince william

14225
08:12:25,562 --> 08:12:27,130
county medco area in the years

14226
08:12:27,130 --> 08:12:27,997
to come has to drill a new well

14227
08:12:27,997 --> 08:12:31,597
maybe they don't get the car

14228
08:12:39,108 --> 08:12:40,109
that year, there can doesn't

14229
08:12:40,109 --> 08:12:40,743
get to go to college, that is

14230
08:12:40,743 --> 08:12:41,611
the choice you're making

14231
08:12:41,611 --> 08:12:42,612
tonight by beginning to take

14232
08:12:42,612 --> 08:12:43,312
land out of the orpa for those

14233
08:12:43,312 --> 08:12:46,312
people, want them to remember

14234
08:12:48,183 --> 08:12:48,751
if they are listening that if

14235
08:12:48,751 --> 08:12:49,652
people vote for the project

14236
08:12:49,652 --> 08:12:50,520
here and take land out of the

14237
08:12:50,520 --> 08:12:51,521
orpa they are taking

14238
08:12:51,521 --> 08:12:51,754
potentially money out of their

14239
08:12:51,754 --> 08:12:52,422
pocket.

14240
08:12:52,422 --> 08:12:55,422
Thank you for your time.

14241
08:13:00,563 --> 08:13:01,531
I appreciate it.

14242
08:13:01,531 --> 08:13:02,397
>> Public Speaker: good

14243
08:13:02,397 --> 08:13:04,334
evening.

14244
08:13:04,334 --> 08:13:06,334
I am quincy

14245
08:13:06,636 --> 08:13:08,636
, and occoquan

14246
08:13:13,776 --> 08:13:14,410
resident since 1973.

14247
08:13:14,410 --> 08:13:15,440
I will just take the short term

14248
08:13:15,440 --> 08:13:17,113
because my father jack is going

14249
08:13:17,113 --> 08:13:19,682
to do the long time.

14250
08:13:19,682 --> 08:13:23,882
I want to thank the chris with

14251
08:13:25,187 --> 08:13:25,722
the family for all the years he

14252
08:13:25,722 --> 08:13:26,756
put in the place.

14253
08:13:26,756 --> 08:13:29,756
Both my daughters became expert

14254
08:13:31,527 --> 08:13:32,462
writers on your property and

14255
08:13:32,462 --> 08:13:33,290
they both went off to compete

14256
08:13:33,290 --> 08:13:36,290
at the national level in

14257
08:13:37,133 --> 08:13:37,800
quarter horse writing.

14258
08:13:37,800 --> 08:13:40,803
Thank you very much for your

14259
08:13:40,803 --> 08:13:44,403
service and I am beyond sad

14260
08:13:45,441 --> 08:13:46,442
this is shutting down.

14261
08:13:46,442 --> 08:13:48,845
You guys were a magnificent

14262
08:13:48,845 --> 08:13:49,779
addition to our community for

14263
08:13:49,779 --> 08:13:53,379
more than 50 years so thank you

14264
08:13:55,318 --> 08:13:56,190
very much.

14265
08:13:56,190 --> 08:13:56,419
I'm going to repeat what you

14266
08:13:56,419 --> 08:13:58,419
just heard.

14267
08:14:02,250 --> 08:14:02,458
Please keep the orpa in place.

14268
08:14:02,458 --> 08:14:03,920
We have to

14269
08:14:03,920 --> 08:14:03,927
protect our drinking

14270
08:14:03,927 --> 08:14:06,327
water and datacenter water,

14271
08:14:08,310 --> 08:14:08,731
unfortunately.

14272
08:14:08,731 --> 08:14:09,632
You for that went to fairfax

14273
08:14:09,632 --> 08:14:10,533
county because they know what

14274
08:14:10,533 --> 08:14:11,701
they are doing up there and we

14275
08:14:11,701 --> 08:14:13,701
don't

14276
08:14:21,244 --> 08:14:21,945
.

14277
08:14:21,945 --> 08:14:23,246
If the data centers need water,

14278
08:14:23,246 --> 08:14:25,646
they can choose groundwater

14279
08:14:26,950 --> 08:14:27,617
recycling through wells that

14280
08:14:27,617 --> 08:14:28,484
are cut down a huge amount of

14281
08:14:28,484 --> 08:14:31,484
our water from prince william

14282
08:14:31,721 --> 08:14:35,225
county that we produced in the

14283
08:14:35,225 --> 08:14:35,625
mooney plant goes

14284
08:14:35,625 --> 08:14:36,526
, the water

14285
08:14:36,526 --> 08:14:38,926
from fairfax county water

14286
08:14:41,598 --> 08:14:42,165
authority.

14287
08:14:42,165 --> 08:14:43,990
The plant recycles it.

14288
08:14:43,990 --> 08:14:44,670
But a huge amount about water

14289
08:14:44,670 --> 08:14:44,334
goes to the data centers

14290
08:14:44,334 --> 08:14:46,334
.

14291
08:14:48,471 --> 08:14:49,405
If I was you I would ask pws a

14292
08:14:49,405 --> 08:14:53,500
how much of their water is

14293
08:14:54,770 --> 08:14:54,577
going to data centers because

14294
08:14:54,577 --> 08:14:55,545
it's an unknown.

14295
08:14:55,545 --> 08:14:58,481
You should know what that

14296
08:14:58,481 --> 08:14:59,482
number is every day.

14297
08:14:59,482 --> 08:15:02,619
We can't drink it if it is in

14298
08:15:02,619 --> 08:15:02,952
the data center

14299
08:15:02,952 --> 08:15:03,686
.

14300
08:15:03,686 --> 08:15:07,886
It goes up there and get pumped

14301
08:15:08,240 --> 08:15:09,250
up and they recycle it.

14302
08:15:09,250 --> 08:15:09,558
And then it comes back to the

14303
08:15:09,558 --> 08:15:11,558
occoquan of course.

14304
08:15:11,928 --> 08:15:13,529
This is

14305
08:15:13,529 --> 08:15:15,529
your decision obviously

14306
08:15:17,333 --> 08:15:18,100
.

14307
08:15:18,100 --> 08:15:18,835
Citizens have opinions,

14308
08:15:18,835 --> 08:15:20,835
planning commissions have

14309
08:15:22,772 --> 08:15:23,439
opinions and boards and

14310
08:15:23,439 --> 08:15:24,474
supervisors are the only ones

14311
08:15:24,474 --> 08:15:28,674
that have boats so this is on

14312
08:15:30,346 --> 08:15:31,347
the wall.

14313
08:15:31,347 --> 08:15:32,480
Want to thank the applicant for

14314
08:15:32,480 --> 08:15:34,417
downsizing for what he started

14315
08:15:34,417 --> 08:15:35,451
out staying open communication

14316
08:15:35,451 --> 08:15:37,353
with the rest of the community

14317
08:15:37,353 --> 08:15:39,753
thank you very much.

14318
08:15:43,860 --> 08:15:44,761
Guys have done good and I think

14319
08:15:44,761 --> 08:15:44,961
not being an expert on this

14320
08:15:44,961 --> 08:15:46,961
stuff.

14321
08:15:50,633 --> 08:15:51,301
I think a big open area with

14322
08:15:51,301 --> 08:15:52,100
the pond on it is going to do

14323
08:15:52,100 --> 08:15:53,360
the things we want for

14324
08:15:53,360 --> 08:15:54,337
protecting, rather than just

14325
08:15:54,337 --> 08:15:55,171
five acre lots.

14326
08:15:55,171 --> 08:15:58,308
So thank you very much for

14327
08:15:58,308 --> 08:15:58,975
that.

14328
08:15:58,975 --> 08:16:02,575
Like jack said, we need more

14329
08:16:12,922 --> 08:16:13,556
support for the orpa.

14330
08:16:13,556 --> 08:16:13,923
Thank you all for paying

14331
08:16:13,923 --> 08:16:14,691
attention.

14332
08:16:14,691 --> 08:16:16,726
Thank you for a

14333
08:16:16,726 --> 08:16:17,427
long night.

14334
08:16:17,427 --> 08:16:21,270
Thank you for doing what you're

14335
08:16:21,297 --> 08:16:24,897
going to do and protect the

14336
08:16:26,703 --> 08:16:27,637
orpa whatever you do.

14337
08:16:27,637 --> 08:16:31,837
As far as I'm concerned, we the

14338
08:16:36,345 --> 08:16:37,213
quality developer here who is

14339
08:16:37,213 --> 08:16:38,213
trying to make in our mental

14340
08:16:38,213 --> 08:16:39,215
impact and he picked up the

14341
08:16:39,215 --> 08:16:39,849
fairfax county standards which

14342
08:16:39,849 --> 08:16:40,350
nobody else has which I

14343
08:16:40,350 --> 08:16:40,883
appreciate a loft.

14344
08:16:40,883 --> 08:16:42,719
Thank you.

14345
08:16:42,719 --> 08:16:44,719
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

14346
08:16:44,821 --> 08:16:47,560
before jack goes again, I'm

14347
08:16:47,560 --> 08:16:49,325
calling the next group out.

14348
08:16:49,325 --> 08:16:51,325
Hold on.

14349
08:16:53,263 --> 08:16:53,963
Let me call them up.

14350
08:16:53,963 --> 08:16:56,933
Doctor jack, let me call up the

14351
08:16:56,933 --> 08:16:59,333
next group of people.

14352
08:16:59,636 --> 08:17:02,360
So I have andrew

14353
08:17:03,473 --> 08:17:04,374
, [Name], julie

14354
08:17:04,374 --> 08:17:06,275
I am sorry have your

14355
08:17:06,275 --> 08:17:06,943
pronunciation on the other page

14356
08:17:06,943 --> 08:17:09,120
but I am looking at you so go

14357
08:17:09,120 --> 08:17:11,120
on up.

14358
08:17:12,115 --> 08:17:13,549
Richard welch and nathan

14359
08:17:13,549 --> 08:17:15,549
higgins

14360
08:17:15,984 --> 08:17:17,984
.

14361
08:17:19,756 --> 08:17:20,856
It is your turn.

14362
08:17:20,856 --> 08:17:23,256
>> Public Speaker: MADAM Chair

14363
08:17:23,359 --> 08:17:25,361
and members of the board, I

14364
08:17:25,361 --> 08:17:28,961
wish you well for the holidays

14365
08:17:31,634 --> 08:17:32,335
in the year ahead.

14366
08:17:32,335 --> 08:17:36,606
I do want to say we are blessed

14367
08:17:36,606 --> 08:17:37,507
with quality staff

14368
08:17:37,507 --> 08:17:38,207
.

14369
08:17:38,207 --> 08:17:40,676
They do as much due diligence

14370
08:17:40,676 --> 08:17:43,646
as possible and I want to thank

14371
08:17:43,646 --> 08:17:47,246
the staff for working at the

14372
08:17:47,517 --> 08:17:48,184
applicant and I want to thank

14373
08:17:48,184 --> 08:17:50,584
the applicant for remaining

14374
08:17:51,421 --> 08:17:52,855
open dialogue with us

14375
08:17:52,855 --> 08:17:53,556
.

14376
08:17:53,556 --> 08:17:57,694
We can pick up the phone and

14377
08:17:57,694 --> 08:17:58,428
say could you meet us?

14378
08:17:58,428 --> 08:18:01,640
In fact, we met OCTOBER 30 our

14379
08:18:01,640 --> 08:18:04,133
last meeting and went over all

14380
08:18:04,133 --> 08:18:04,467
the changes

14381
08:18:04,467 --> 08:18:06,467
.

14382
08:18:06,736 --> 08:18:09,736
The committee has asked over

14383
08:18:10,239 --> 08:18:12,775
the high density, but we ended

14384
08:18:12,775 --> 08:18:15,775
up with a substantial density

14385
08:18:17,614 --> 08:18:18,615
suggestions and then also doing

14386
08:18:18,615 --> 08:18:22,815
a lot of things that were more

14387
08:18:23,920 --> 08:18:24,820
respectful of the land.

14388
08:18:24,820 --> 08:18:27,422
I want to complement the

14389
08:18:27,422 --> 08:18:28,424
applicant in that regard.

14390
08:18:28,424 --> 08:18:32,362
I know he is a commitment to

14391
08:18:32,362 --> 08:18:34,362
continue the dialogue.

14392
08:18:35,297 --> 08:18:35,999
And with that I want to ask

14393
08:18:35,999 --> 08:18:38,999
whatever decision you make, if

14394
08:18:39,102 --> 08:18:42,702
you make an approval we would

14395
08:18:44,941 --> 08:18:45,942
like to have a courtesy review

14396
08:18:45,942 --> 08:18:46,508
on the architecture signage,

14397
08:18:46,508 --> 08:18:48,508
lighting, landscaping,

14398
08:18:49,612 --> 08:18:51,814
stormwater controls and such so

14399
08:18:51,814 --> 08:18:54,814
we can have that dialogue.

14400
08:18:58,621 --> 08:18:59,289
And we can engage the community

14401
08:18:59,289 --> 08:19:00,890
in the discussion prior to

14402
08:19:00,890 --> 08:19:00,690
final site plan.

14403
08:19:00,690 --> 08:19:04,527
So we would like to see that.

14404
08:19:04,527 --> 08:19:07,330
With regard to the orpa in

14405
08:19:07,330 --> 08:19:09,330
particular, we strongly

14406
08:19:10,333 --> 08:19:13,333
recommend to maintain the orpa

14407
08:19:14,170 --> 08:19:17,170
designation rather than that in

14408
08:19:21,277 --> 08:19:22,111
the three.

14409
08:19:22,111 --> 08:19:24,781
It's a philosophy of protecting

14410
08:19:24,781 --> 08:19:27,781
the reservoir and just trying

14411
08:19:29,452 --> 08:19:30,954
to be good stewards

14412
08:19:30,954 --> 08:19:31,621
.

14413
08:19:31,621 --> 08:19:31,821
I would say the applicant a

14414
08:19:31,821 --> 08:19:32,922
step

14415
08:19:32,922 --> 08:19:36,250
forward in that regard in a

14416
08:19:36,250 --> 08:19:38,250
positive manner, which

14417
08:19:38,628 --> 08:19:39,429
encourages us

14418
08:19:39,429 --> 08:19:40,463
.

14419
08:19:40,463 --> 08:19:43,499
As we look at this particular

14420
08:19:43,499 --> 08:19:44,499
application

14421
08:19:44,499 --> 08:19:45,735
, we have serious

14422
08:19:45,735 --> 08:19:46,169
commitments

14423
08:19:46,169 --> 08:19:48,169
.

14424
08:19:48,805 --> 08:19:51,474
65 percent is now an opened

14425
08:19:51,474 --> 08:19:52,275
base

14426
08:19:52,275 --> 08:19:53,209
.

14427
08:19:53,209 --> 08:19:56,179
We have the commitment to place

14428
08:19:56,179 --> 08:19:59,179
it into a conservation easement

14429
08:20:00,883 --> 08:20:01,551
in trust.

14430
08:20:01,551 --> 08:20:05,151
We have the buffer along the

14431
08:20:05,154 --> 08:20:06,220
prince william parkway.

14432
08:20:06,220 --> 08:20:09,220
It will be an undisturbed

14433
08:20:11,590 --> 08:20:12,950
buffer.

14434
08:20:12,950 --> 08:20:12,595
Is not quite 50 feet but it is

14435
08:20:12,595 --> 08:20:14,595
an undisturbed buffer.

14436
08:20:15,265 --> 08:20:17,265
And we

14437
08:20:17,967 --> 08:20:20,503
talked a lot about parking and

14438
08:20:20,503 --> 08:20:24,173
we said we want to see ample

14439
08:20:24,173 --> 08:20:25,740
parking in street parking and

14440
08:20:25,740 --> 08:20:29,274
all that came to pass so we

14441
08:20:30,130 --> 08:20:32,413
ended up with 1124 parking

14442
08:20:37,120 --> 08:20:37,654
spaces when we have 721

14443
08:20:37,654 --> 08:20:38,521
required spaces.

14444
08:20:38,521 --> 08:20:40,921
And we are approximately 400

14445
08:20:50,466 --> 08:20:51,534
spaces above code.

14446
08:20:51,534 --> 08:20:52,468
These are all good places been.

14447
08:20:52,468 --> 08:20:53,169
We have the bow stations we are

14448
08:20:53,169 --> 08:20:56,169
looking at within our around

14449
08:20:58,408 --> 08:20:59,750
the site.

14450
08:20:59,750 --> 08:21:00,310
The other thing we worked on

14451
08:21:00,310 --> 08:21:03,746
years ago with the moss was

14452
08:21:03,746 --> 08:21:06,549
trying to eliminate the u-turns

14453
08:21:06,549 --> 08:21:07,283
.

14454
08:21:07,283 --> 08:21:09,683
Are a specific recommendation

14455
08:21:11,870 --> 08:21:11,721
in the letter to the mosque

14456
08:21:11,721 --> 08:21:13,856
leadership was the queens

14457
08:21:13,856 --> 08:21:16,256
chapel intersection to be

14458
08:21:17,894 --> 08:21:18,461
better realigned

14459
08:21:18,461 --> 08:21:20,461
.

14460
08:21:23,990 --> 08:21:23,866
And what MR. Romano actually

14461
08:21:23,866 --> 08:21:25,168
affected the change with what

14462
08:21:25,168 --> 08:21:25,902
he has done

14463
08:21:25,902 --> 08:21:26,903
.

14464
08:21:26,903 --> 08:21:29,903
What he is proposing along

14465
08:21:31,374 --> 08:21:32,410
galveston court.

14466
08:21:32,410 --> 08:21:34,244
In the area of the complex and

14467
08:21:34,244 --> 08:21:37,244
then we talked about internal

14468
08:21:40,717 --> 08:21:42,585
traffic movements the idea of

14469
08:21:42,585 --> 08:21:45,488
not having more traffic on the

14470
08:21:45,488 --> 08:21:45,755
parkway

14471
08:21:45,755 --> 08:21:46,356
.

14472
08:21:46,356 --> 08:21:50,556
I think it is at work in

14473
08:21:53,960 --> 08:21:53,763
progress, but the internal

14474
08:21:53,763 --> 08:21:54,597
traffic movements have been

14475
08:21:54,597 --> 08:21:57,133
optimized as much as the

14476
08:21:57,133 --> 08:21:58,101
applicant could do.

14477
08:21:58,101 --> 08:22:00,870
I think that would help reduce

14478
08:22:00,870 --> 08:22:03,870
the counts on the two

14479
08:22:04,173 --> 08:22:06,573
problematic areas of that

14480
08:22:11,180 --> 08:22:11,781
section.

14481
08:22:11,781 --> 08:22:13,683
we are looking to have

14482
08:22:13,683 --> 08:22:16,830
undisturbed areas with the

14483
08:22:16,219 --> 08:22:18,619
natural slope and natural

14484
08:22:19,155 --> 08:22:19,289
surface trail

14485
08:22:19,289 --> 08:22:21,289
.

14486
08:22:24,861 --> 08:22:25,728
And that was discussed by the

14487
08:22:25,728 --> 08:22:28,728
applicant with the lost creek

14488
08:22:29,933 --> 08:22:31,267
neighbors in the trail when to

14489
08:22:31,267 --> 08:22:31,768
be field cleared with minimal

14490
08:22:31,768 --> 08:22:33,768
clearcutting.

14491
08:22:34,971 --> 08:22:35,738
So these are

14492
08:22:35,738 --> 08:22:36,806
, in the end of the

14493
08:22:36,806 --> 08:22:39,206
conservation easement as well

14494
08:22:41,611 --> 08:22:43,611
.

14495
08:22:49,986 --> 08:22:50,787
A lot of this is coming to pass

14496
08:22:50,787 --> 08:22:51,654
based on his discussion with

14497
08:22:51,654 --> 08:22:53,890
the neighbors and we like to

14498
08:22:53,890 --> 08:22:56,890
see that continue in some

14499
08:22:56,960 --> 08:22:59,360
fashion because this project

14500
08:23:00,730 --> 08:23:01,731
will not be built overnight.

14501
08:23:01,731 --> 08:23:06,531
It will take a while to get in

14502
08:23:06,669 --> 08:23:07,370
place.

14503
08:23:07,370 --> 08:23:07,770
I just wanted to go back to the

14504
08:23:07,770 --> 08:23:08,337
orpa.

14505
08:23:08,337 --> 08:23:10,707
The orpa is designed

14506
08:23:10,707 --> 08:23:11,374
.

14507
08:23:11,374 --> 08:23:12,675
Was on the original committee

14508
08:23:12,675 --> 08:23:14,744
we were trying to meet

14509
08:23:14,744 --> 08:23:14,877
preservation standards

14510
08:23:14,877 --> 08:23:16,877
.

14511
08:23:18,748 --> 08:23:22,948
By the way, I worked on writing

14512
08:23:22,951 --> 08:23:23,953
a paper to the public works

14513
08:23:23,953 --> 08:23:24,887
committee as the chair of the

14514
08:23:24,887 --> 08:23:26,887
federal water quality

14515
08:23:27,457 --> 08:23:29,457
association government affairs

14516
08:23:30,326 --> 08:23:32,428
from the water environment for

14517
08:23:32,428 --> 08:23:34,828
senator mitchell and the

14518
08:23:36,733 --> 08:23:37,634
committee to recommend and be

14519
08:23:37,634 --> 08:23:39,535
established and then they came

14520
08:23:39,535 --> 08:23:42,535
back to the sunshine and

14521
08:23:47,543 --> 08:23:48,244
government act five years later

14522
08:23:48,244 --> 08:23:50,747
and said should the act remain

14523
08:23:50,747 --> 08:23:50,947
or should it go away

14524
08:23:50,947 --> 08:23:52,480
.

14525
08:23:52,480 --> 08:23:55,480
And we recommended that remain

14526
08:23:55,785 --> 08:23:57,453
in place as a permanent

14527
08:23:57,453 --> 08:23:59,453
institution.

14528
08:24:02,625 --> 08:24:03,493
Because we've ecological change

14529
08:24:03,493 --> 08:24:04,627
going on in the area.

14530
08:24:04,627 --> 08:24:07,270
Ecological changes more than

14531
08:24:07,263 --> 08:24:09,263
decades.

14532
08:24:09,465 --> 08:24:12,135
Knew of the local jurisdictions

14533
08:24:12,135 --> 08:24:15,735
that need to work to codify

14534
08:24:16,506 --> 08:24:20,900
things and they were working on

14535
08:24:20,900 --> 08:24:22,900
it.

14536
08:24:24,470 --> 08:24:27,470
That was quite an experience

14537
08:24:27,317 --> 08:24:30,317
working to get preservation by

14538
08:24:34,857 --> 08:24:35,658
act incorporated in congress.

14539
08:24:35,658 --> 08:24:37,660
I did it through the

14540
08:24:37,660 --> 08:24:39,660
professional organization with

14541
08:24:47,237 --> 08:24:48,237
other members of associations.

14542
08:24:48,237 --> 08:24:49,239
Chesapeake, virginia, and

14543
08:24:49,239 --> 08:24:51,639
others picked pennsylvania and

14544
08:24:51,774 --> 08:24:52,742
others

14545
08:24:52,742 --> 08:24:53,710
.

14546
08:24:53,710 --> 08:24:55,945
I do want to say when we were

14547
08:24:55,945 --> 08:24:59,545
pondering the orpa of what it

14548
08:25:00,250 --> 08:25:02,185
should look like, to have it

14549
08:25:02,185 --> 08:25:04,585
function to reduce settlements,

14550
08:25:05,855 --> 08:25:08,255
reduce nutrients and pollutants

14551
08:25:12,280 --> 08:25:12,929
and although that comment and

14552
08:25:12,929 --> 08:25:13,429
be respectful of steep

14553
08:25:13,429 --> 08:25:14,330
slope

14554
08:25:14,330 --> 08:25:16,330
areas, environmentally

14555
08:25:18,835 --> 08:25:21,835
sensitive areas and it shrinks

14556
08:25:22,772 --> 08:25:23,673
well soils, which by the way on

14557
08:25:23,673 --> 08:25:27,677
list if you can see up on the

14558
08:25:27,677 --> 08:25:28,544
charts the staff offered to,

14559
08:25:28,544 --> 08:25:30,947
you had those elements in the

14560
08:25:30,947 --> 08:25:31,748
chart

14561
08:25:31,748 --> 08:25:32,748
.

14562
08:25:32,748 --> 08:25:35,184
And that is the very definition

14563
08:25:35,184 --> 08:25:37,184
of orpa.

14564
08:25:39,422 --> 08:25:40,356
We need to work smartly to be

14565
08:25:40,356 --> 08:25:42,756
considerate of our environment

14566
08:25:45,962 --> 08:25:48,962
and to work expectations for

14567
08:25:52,435 --> 08:25:53,302
performance so we can leave

14568
08:25:53,302 --> 08:25:55,537
that at the foot of the

14569
08:25:55,537 --> 08:25:56,973
developer who says I want to do

14570
08:25:56,973 --> 08:26:00,573
something here on this piece of

14571
08:26:01,711 --> 08:26:03,613
land and staff out of the

14572
08:26:03,613 --> 08:26:04,981
expectations provide to the

14573
08:26:04,981 --> 08:26:05,480
applicant

14574
08:26:05,480 --> 08:26:07,480
.

14575
08:26:10,253 --> 08:26:13,823
It saves time, saves money, it

14576
08:26:13,823 --> 08:26:15,240
seems problems down the road if

14577
08:26:15,240 --> 08:26:18,624
we can be more thoughtful about

14578
08:26:18,895 --> 08:26:20,129
what to do within the orpa.

14579
08:26:20,129 --> 08:26:24,329
I would urge the board to think

14580
08:26:26,350 --> 08:26:27,360
about this MAY be committed

14581
08:26:27,360 --> 08:26:31,236
staff time and funds and have a

14582
08:26:31,808 --> 08:26:32,475
citizen stakeholder group

14583
08:26:32,475 --> 08:26:35,475
discussed that in a thoughtful

14584
08:26:36,813 --> 08:26:39,649
manner and see what elements

14585
08:26:39,649 --> 08:26:40,550
could be incorporated in those

14586
08:26:40,550 --> 08:26:42,950
expectations that you could

14587
08:26:45,588 --> 08:26:47,230
provide others in the future.

14588
08:26:47,230 --> 08:26:48,791
By the way, in the presentation

14589
08:26:48,791 --> 08:26:50,791
he had

14590
08:26:52,195 --> 08:26:54,595
, he talked about the

14591
08:26:56,833 --> 08:26:57,834
horse theme your grave

14592
08:26:57,834 --> 08:26:59,802
institutions in prince william

14593
08:26:59,802 --> 08:27:02,802
county such as the foundation,

14594
08:27:03,172 --> 08:27:05,808
the center for the arts that

14595
08:27:05,808 --> 08:27:09,408
they could take off on the

14596
08:27:09,611 --> 08:27:13,211
horse theme park unit of other

14597
08:27:15,818 --> 08:27:16,386
things involved.

14598
08:27:16,386 --> 08:27:17,186
Might be something for

14599
08:27:17,186 --> 08:27:18,540
discussions in the future if

14600
08:27:18,540 --> 08:27:21,654
you decide to go forward with

14601
08:27:22,892 --> 08:27:23,593
this project and so with that,

14602
08:27:23,593 --> 08:27:25,762
thank you very much and I wish

14603
08:27:25,762 --> 08:27:26,729
you well in your decision.

14604
08:27:26,729 --> 08:27:27,430
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

14605
08:27:27,430 --> 08:27:29,830
thank you very much.

14606
08:27:36,239 --> 08:27:37,240
Next speaker, please.

14607
08:27:37,240 --> 08:27:37,473
>> Public Speaker: my name is

14608
08:27:37,473 --> 08:27:39,275
andrew.

14609
08:27:39,275 --> 08:27:39,676
I live in the occoquan district

14610
08:27:39,676 --> 08:27:40,310
.

14611
08:27:40,310 --> 08:27:41,477
Been in the area seven months

14612
08:27:41,477 --> 08:27:43,477
now.

14613
08:27:47,183 --> 08:27:48,510
I have four kids myself so this

14614
08:27:48,510 --> 08:27:48,384
was going to be our secluded

14615
08:27:48,384 --> 08:27:50,219
forever home.

14616
08:27:50,219 --> 08:27:54,390
As far away as I could go my

14617
08:27:54,390 --> 08:27:55,910
way from the D.C. Area.

14618
08:27:55,910 --> 08:27:55,892
I would first like to start

14619
08:27:55,892 --> 08:27:58,292
with the development and

14620
08:27:58,828 --> 08:28:01,228
turning the lost creek

14621
08:28:04,000 --> 08:28:07,000
residential area to be three.

14622
08:28:08,370 --> 08:28:10,306
I don't think it is an adequate

14623
08:28:10,306 --> 08:28:13,306
segue from a religious temple

14624
08:28:23,786 --> 08:28:24,721
to a business place to the

14625
08:28:24,721 --> 08:28:25,721
residential place backing to

14626
08:28:25,721 --> 08:28:26,723
nsr 1. Is not respectful of the

14627
08:28:26,723 --> 08:28:27,323
lay of the land and it's going

14628
08:28:27,323 --> 08:28:29,292
to cause more traffic into a

14629
08:28:29,292 --> 08:28:30,260
high density area.

14630
08:28:30,260 --> 08:28:30,793
With that being said, I will

14631
08:28:30,793 --> 08:28:31,294
move on from that.

14632
08:28:31,294 --> 08:28:33,294
People have spoken.

14633
08:28:37,867 --> 08:28:38,268
Rofessionals with the county

14634
08:28:38,268 --> 08:28:39,102
is spoken.

14635
08:28:39,102 --> 08:28:39,736
You people signal about

14636
08:28:39,736 --> 08:28:40,637
environmental, you people

14637
08:28:40,637 --> 08:28:42,472
saying know about school in the

14638
08:28:42,472 --> 08:28:43,339
first presentation 20 citizen

14639
08:28:43,339 --> 08:28:45,141
say no and one say yes and you

14640
08:28:45,141 --> 08:28:45,775
guys still chose to go against

14641
08:28:45,775 --> 08:28:46,900
the professionals and the

14642
08:28:46,900 --> 08:28:48,900
people.

14643
08:28:49,212 --> 08:28:50,450
I ask why

14644
08:28:50,450 --> 08:28:51,140
.

14645
08:28:51,140 --> 08:28:53,820
Location on hoadley regarding

14646
08:28:53,820 --> 08:28:56,820
identities will add traffic and

14647
08:28:56,552 --> 08:28:57,253
more traffic in a tight space.

14648
08:28:57,253 --> 08:28:58,870
We have a mile stretch of

14649
08:28:58,870 --> 08:28:58,488
shopping centers

14650
08:28:58,488 --> 08:29:00,488
.

14651
08:29:04,694 --> 08:29:05,528
Now maple grove park no matter

14652
08:29:05,528 --> 08:29:07,530
what traffic pattern you do,

14653
08:29:07,530 --> 08:29:08,298
it's not going to work.

14654
08:29:08,298 --> 08:29:08,764
We lived in the northern region

14655
08:29:08,764 --> 08:29:10,764
my whole life.

14656
08:29:16,639 --> 08:29:17,307
It is always a disaster

14657
08:29:17,307 --> 08:29:18,308
.

14658
08:29:18,308 --> 08:29:19,800
You are not going to turn three

14659
08:29:19,800 --> 08:29:20,760
lanes into two lanes because

14660
08:29:20,760 --> 08:29:20,910
you were getting the whole

14661
08:29:20,910 --> 08:29:21,544
woodrow wilson bridge effect.

14662
08:29:21,544 --> 08:29:22,445
D.C. To marilyn effect.

14663
08:29:22,445 --> 08:29:23,313
We can do we want to keep

14664
08:29:23,313 --> 08:29:23,980
piling on the high density and

14665
08:29:23,980 --> 08:29:28,180
it's never going to work in all

14666
08:29:33,489 --> 08:29:34,224
your numbers are statistics

14667
08:29:34,224 --> 08:29:34,891
.

14668
08:29:34,891 --> 08:29:36,192
Poor planning and traffic

14669
08:29:36,192 --> 08:29:36,826
circle we keep hearing from the

14670
08:29:36,826 --> 08:29:37,694
development company is I'm

14671
08:29:37,694 --> 08:29:37,961
going to make an additional

14672
08:29:37,961 --> 08:29:38,928
left lane.

14673
08:29:38,928 --> 08:29:39,395
Three left lanes to two, common

14674
08:29:39,395 --> 08:29:40,396
sense does not work.

14675
08:29:40,396 --> 08:29:42,665
Making changes I appreciate

14676
08:29:42,665 --> 08:29:43,600
that but I would expect the

14677
08:29:43,600 --> 08:29:44,601
professional manner those

14678
08:29:44,601 --> 08:29:48,201
changes would be made in the

14679
08:29:48,504 --> 08:29:49,538
presentation suitable for the

14680
08:29:49,538 --> 08:29:50,600
common person to see and

14681
08:29:50,600 --> 08:29:52,600
technologist.

14682
08:29:52,408 --> 08:29:56,800
Otherwise we are green what is

14683
08:30:04,486 --> 08:30:05,488
on the board.

14684
08:30:05,488 --> 08:30:06,122
And I would like to see before

14685
08:30:06,122 --> 08:30:06,422
you guys commit to this is an

14686
08:30:06,422 --> 08:30:07,489
actual plan.

14687
08:30:07,489 --> 08:30:08,223
We have all this ai, all these

14688
08:30:08,223 --> 08:30:09,580
professionals to say it's good

14689
08:30:09,580 --> 08:30:10,660
for the development but what

14690
08:30:10,660 --> 08:30:11,461
about the traffic pattern per

14691
08:30:11,461 --> 08:30:13,461
quarter feasible traffic

14692
08:30:14,664 --> 08:30:15,598
patterns that are going to be

14693
08:30:15,598 --> 08:30:17,400
done by the tax payers were the

14694
08:30:17,400 --> 08:30:18,534
county

14695
08:30:18,534 --> 08:30:19,168
.

14696
08:30:19,168 --> 08:30:22,768
What is that going to be.

14697
08:30:26,142 --> 08:30:26,541
They going to do to solve these

14698
08:30:26,541 --> 08:30:27,210
problems, not to

14699
08:30:27,210 --> 08:30:27,844
mention we have

14700
08:30:27,844 --> 08:30:28,945
another thousand homes being

14701
08:30:28,945 --> 08:30:29,746
built in a two mile radius.

14702
08:30:29,746 --> 08:30:33,346
Like he said, there would be

14703
08:30:34,416 --> 08:30:35,385
additional runoff traffic and

14704
08:30:35,385 --> 08:30:36,319
then returning prince william

14705
08:30:36,319 --> 08:30:37,487
county into fairfax county

14706
08:30:37,487 --> 08:30:38,187
which is an unaffordable place

14707
08:30:38,187 --> 08:30:39,255
for its own self if this is

14708
08:30:39,255 --> 08:30:41,655
going to trickle down

14709
08:30:44,561 --> 08:30:45,495
.

14710
08:30:45,495 --> 08:30:46,950
I would take this time to think

14711
08:30:46,950 --> 08:30:47,630
wisely on making these

14712
08:30:47,630 --> 08:30:48,798
decisions and development in

14713
08:30:48,798 --> 08:30:49,432
certain areas we improve

14714
08:30:49,432 --> 08:30:50,967
certain areas developing other

14715
08:30:50,967 --> 08:30:51,668
areas.

14716
08:30:51,668 --> 08:30:52,000
That is all they will say this

14717
08:30:52,000 --> 08:30:54,000
time.

14718
08:30:57,400 --> 08:30:57,307
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

14719
08:30:57,307 --> 08:30:59,307
thank you.

14720
08:31:02,745 --> 08:31:03,746
Next speaker, please.

14721
08:31:03,746 --> 08:31:04,814
>> Public Speaker: good

14722
08:31:04,814 --> 08:31:06,814
evening.

14723
08:31:09,419 --> 08:31:09,619
My name is julia

14724
08:31:09,619 --> 08:31:11,619
.

14725
08:31:15,225 --> 08:31:18,825
I am in the occoquan district.

14726
08:31:19,128 --> 08:31:22,432
I would like to circle back.

14727
08:31:22,432 --> 08:31:23,990
I've been hearing a lot about

14728
08:31:23,990 --> 08:31:26,699
orpa and the thing I'm most

14729
08:31:28,905 --> 08:31:29,872
concerned about is that in orpa

14730
08:31:29,872 --> 08:31:32,872
it sounded like it recommended

14731
08:31:37,714 --> 08:31:38,470
five acres per one home

14732
08:31:38,470 --> 08:31:39,150
.

14733
08:31:39,150 --> 08:31:40,160
And then we heard also that

14734
08:31:40,160 --> 08:31:43,616
when we had the environment all

14735
08:31:43,920 --> 08:31:44,921
specialist was asked the

14736
08:31:44,921 --> 08:31:45,788
question which would be better

14737
08:31:45,788 --> 08:31:45,888
for orpa

14738
08:31:45,888 --> 08:31:47,888
.

14739
08:31:49,292 --> 08:31:51,594
Five acres per one home or the

14740
08:31:51,594 --> 08:31:53,594
development is currently

14741
08:31:55,832 --> 08:31:56,266
proposed and he said five acres

14742
08:31:56,266 --> 08:31:57,934
per one home.

14743
08:31:57,934 --> 08:32:00,334
That is what was

14744
08:32:02,538 --> 08:32:03,172
in orpa.

14745
08:32:03,172 --> 08:32:06,172
And had been developed over 10

14746
08:32:07,100 --> 08:32:08,478
years with a locked of studies,

14747
08:32:08,478 --> 08:32:09,646
a law that input and those

14748
08:32:09,646 --> 08:32:09,979
recommendations

14749
08:32:09,979 --> 08:32:11,979
.

14750
08:32:17,253 --> 08:32:18,254
It surprises me one developer

14751
08:32:18,254 --> 08:32:21,254
can come in, propose something

14752
08:32:22,859 --> 08:32:23,625
that doesn't match orpa and yet

14753
08:32:23,625 --> 08:32:24,627
this is being seriously

14754
08:32:24,627 --> 08:32:27,270
considered, which would also

14755
08:32:27,463 --> 08:32:29,599
jeopardize the drinking water

14756
08:32:29,599 --> 08:32:31,867
for already the current

14757
08:32:31,867 --> 08:32:35,467
residents who have moved to the

14758
08:32:39,609 --> 08:32:40,543
area because we wanted to have

14759
08:32:40,543 --> 08:32:41,611
areas that were conserved.

14760
08:32:41,611 --> 08:32:42,779
We wanted to have the trees, we

14761
08:32:42,779 --> 08:32:43,546
wanted to have this area

14762
08:32:43,546 --> 08:32:44,514
.

14763
08:32:44,514 --> 08:32:47,717
And when doing this, it's just

14764
08:32:47,717 --> 08:32:51,317
this area that needs to be

14765
08:32:55,358 --> 08:32:56,590
preserved for the watershed.

14766
08:32:56,590 --> 08:32:56,925
We are not saying oh my gosh

14767
08:32:56,925 --> 08:32:59,925
potomac mills is disturbing the

14768
08:33:00,463 --> 08:33:01,998
watershed are these other areas

14769
08:33:01,998 --> 08:33:02,599
, they would be more

14770
08:33:02,599 --> 08:33:04,500
appropriate.

14771
08:33:04,500 --> 08:33:08,100
There are other areas that are

14772
08:33:09,271 --> 08:33:09,973
better suited for

14773
08:33:09,973 --> 08:33:10,206
transportation.

14774
08:33:10,206 --> 08:33:12,206
Here is

14775
08:33:15,712 --> 08:33:16,679
transportation already multiple

14776
08:33:16,679 --> 08:33:19,482
buses going to certain areas

14777
08:33:19,482 --> 08:33:20,550
and then if we would have been

14778
08:33:20,550 --> 08:33:22,452
to redeveloping some of those

14779
08:33:22,452 --> 08:33:23,953
areas

14780
08:33:23,953 --> 08:33:24,587
, that would be better for

14781
08:33:24,587 --> 08:33:26,587
the community

14782
08:33:30,159 --> 08:33:30,927
.

14783
08:33:30,927 --> 08:33:31,861
Currently I live off of hoadley

14784
08:33:31,861 --> 08:33:35,461
road near purcell and I decided

14785
08:33:40,169 --> 08:33:40,904
to try omni ride to.

14786
08:33:40,904 --> 08:33:43,304
It was very discouraging.

14787
08:33:45,740 --> 08:33:45,208
I never could get a ride back

14788
08:33:45,208 --> 08:33:47,208
.

14789
08:33:49,345 --> 08:33:51,614
During a five day period taking

14790
08:33:51,614 --> 08:33:55,785
omni ride I would be able to

14791
08:33:55,785 --> 08:33:59,889
get to work but I would show up

14792
08:33:59,889 --> 08:34:00,690
in one bus would state that the

14793
08:34:00,690 --> 08:34:01,224
time, another bus wouldn't show

14794
08:34:01,224 --> 08:34:03,224
up

14795
08:34:04,294 --> 08:34:05,761
.

14796
08:34:05,761 --> 08:34:08,398
Even if you add a couple of

14797
08:34:08,398 --> 08:34:10,266
buses

14798
08:34:10,266 --> 08:34:10,733
, we don't have a law that

14799
08:34:10,733 --> 08:34:12,733
come through.

14800
08:34:14,404 --> 08:34:14,771
There other areas where people

14801
08:34:14,771 --> 08:34:16,771
able to.

14802
08:34:23,790 --> 08:34:23,513
Here we go to stoneridge and it

14803
08:34:23,513 --> 08:34:24,647
is very small.

14804
08:34:24,647 --> 08:34:28,847
When he of the other buses that

14805
08:34:33,323 --> 08:34:34,991
go near potomac mills

14806
08:34:34,991 --> 08:34:35,592
, those

14807
08:34:35,592 --> 08:34:36,526
buses come so regularly.

14808
08:34:36,526 --> 08:34:37,827
If one driver is unable to

14809
08:34:37,827 --> 08:34:38,461
shall be of another bus did

14810
08:34:38,461 --> 08:34:41,461
another bus of people were

14811
08:34:43,600 --> 08:34:44,667
saying that was not a big deal.

14812
08:34:44,667 --> 08:34:46,902
This is something we are trying

14813
08:34:46,902 --> 08:34:48,770
to plan already in saying we

14814
08:34:48,770 --> 08:34:49,405
are going to rely on buses that

14815
08:34:49,405 --> 08:34:51,741
that would help with the

14816
08:34:51,741 --> 08:34:52,775
traffic

14817
08:34:52,775 --> 08:34:53,409
.

14818
08:34:53,409 --> 08:34:55,780
I just don't see how that's

14819
08:34:55,780 --> 08:34:55,979
going to pick especially when

14820
08:34:55,979 --> 08:34:58,979
there are so many developments

14821
08:35:03,519 --> 08:35:04,530
that have been made or they

14822
08:35:04,530 --> 08:35:04,988
have one entrance.

14823
08:35:04,988 --> 08:35:05,888
This one sounds like it might

14824
08:35:05,888 --> 08:35:07,824
have one other entrance but

14825
08:35:07,824 --> 08:35:08,458
again, it's funneling onto

14826
08:35:08,458 --> 08:35:10,858
hoadley road and estimates

14827
08:35:14,230 --> 08:35:14,963
traffic.

14828
08:35:14,963 --> 08:35:15,899
The other main thing I wanted

14829
08:35:15,899 --> 08:35:16,599
to point out was by changing

14830
08:35:16,599 --> 08:35:16,699
this designation

14831
08:35:16,699 --> 08:35:18,699
.

14832
08:35:22,171 --> 08:35:25,171
Going from agriculture to mu3,

14833
08:35:27,210 --> 08:35:27,977
not keeping in the spirit with

14834
08:35:27,977 --> 08:35:32,177
orpa but it also sounds like we

14835
08:35:32,882 --> 08:35:33,583
have a locked

14836
08:35:33,583 --> 08:35:34,584
, if with this

14837
08:35:34,584 --> 08:35:37,584
change we are creating this

14838
08:35:39,656 --> 08:35:42,656
precedent that will show other

14839
08:35:46,896 --> 08:35:47,863
areas can be chipped away.

14840
08:35:47,863 --> 08:35:48,765
The watershed will continue to

14841
08:35:48,765 --> 08:35:51,765
be degraded by having these

14842
08:35:54,700 --> 08:35:54,537
high density projects right

14843
08:35:54,537 --> 08:35:56,937
next to the watershed.

14844
08:35:59,442 --> 08:36:00,476
Of this is something that can

14845
08:36:00,476 --> 08:36:02,679
happen this time the developers

14846
08:36:02,679 --> 08:36:05,679
remember this and come back

14847
08:36:07,683 --> 08:36:08,384
again and again and by

14848
08:36:08,384 --> 08:36:11,384
properties already and say no

14849
08:36:11,521 --> 08:36:12,187
we are ready to develop this

14850
08:36:12,187 --> 08:36:15,658
and it would to be harder and

14851
08:36:15,658 --> 08:36:16,658
harder to say no.

14852
08:36:16,658 --> 08:36:17,827
Think one of the thing people

14853
08:36:17,827 --> 08:36:20,227
have mentioned is fairfax

14854
08:36:22,198 --> 08:36:25,634
county has also been an example

14855
08:36:25,634 --> 08:36:27,971
of having five acre homes per

14856
08:36:27,971 --> 08:36:29,639
one house

14857
08:36:29,639 --> 08:36:30,240
.

14858
08:36:30,240 --> 08:36:33,910
You can see the area they try

14859
08:36:33,910 --> 08:36:34,644
to protect in the watershed in

14860
08:36:34,644 --> 08:36:37,644
fairfax county just the crossed

14861
08:36:41,717 --> 08:36:42,719
the river has shown it provides

14862
08:36:42,719 --> 08:36:45,455
ample area for the watershed to

14863
08:36:45,455 --> 08:36:45,688
recharge

14864
08:36:45,688 --> 08:36:46,656
.

14865
08:36:46,656 --> 08:36:50,260
And so with that, I urge you to

14866
08:36:50,260 --> 08:36:52,595
oppose the changing of the

14867
08:36:52,595 --> 08:36:53,596
zoning.

14868
08:36:53,596 --> 08:36:53,863
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

14869
08:36:53,863 --> 08:36:55,863
thank you.

14870
08:37:09,312 --> 08:37:10,460
Next speaker, please.

14871
08:37:10,460 --> 08:37:10,947
>> Public Speaker: hello.

14872
08:37:10,947 --> 08:37:11,881
I live in the coles district.

14873
08:37:11,881 --> 08:37:12,781
We have spoken at length about

14874
08:37:12,781 --> 08:37:13,917
the future tonight so if you

14875
08:37:13,917 --> 08:37:17,517
will allow me would like the

14876
08:37:24,727 --> 08:37:25,395
pause and alternative

14877
08:37:25,395 --> 08:37:25,895
perspective with respect to

14878
08:37:25,895 --> 08:37:26,729
that future.

14879
08:37:26,729 --> 08:37:27,196
I am the father of two young

14880
08:37:27,196 --> 08:37:27,397
beautiful children.

14881
08:37:27,397 --> 08:37:28,264
t took my

14882
08:37:28,264 --> 08:37:29,231
wife and I several years to

14883
08:37:29,231 --> 08:37:29,899
find appropriate housing for

14884
08:37:29,899 --> 08:37:30,700
our family and we wanted to

14885
08:37:30,700 --> 08:37:31,167
live here in prince william

14886
08:37:31,167 --> 08:37:33,167
county.

14887
08:37:33,335 --> 08:37:36,335
Fortunately we found some, but

14888
08:37:40,810 --> 08:37:41,711
many young families like

14889
08:37:41,711 --> 08:37:42,211
ourselves in our generation are

14890
08:37:42,211 --> 08:37:43,246
not as fortunate.

14891
08:37:43,246 --> 08:37:43,812
We are struggling to find

14892
08:37:43,812 --> 08:37:44,747
housing is at a reasonable

14893
08:37:44,747 --> 08:37:48,347
price point and it's no secret

14894
08:37:48,851 --> 08:37:49,552
we are facing a housing crisis.

14895
08:37:49,552 --> 08:37:50,954
People want to be near their

14896
08:37:50,954 --> 08:37:53,560
families in a multigenerational

14897
08:37:53,560 --> 08:37:56,656
presence here in print on them

14898
08:37:57,393 --> 08:37:58,127
county.

14899
08:37:58,127 --> 08:37:58,895
The majority of my wife's

14900
08:37:58,895 --> 08:38:00,363
family are in prince william

14901
08:38:00,363 --> 08:38:01,640
and that's key for us having

14902
08:38:01,640 --> 08:38:04,601
our family nearby to help raise

14903
08:38:04,601 --> 08:38:05,602
our children.

14904
08:38:05,602 --> 08:38:08,200
Often when reasonably priced

14905
08:38:11,700 --> 08:38:12,800
housing as discussed, we are

14906
08:38:12,800 --> 08:38:12,875
told not here because of reason

14907
08:38:12,875 --> 08:38:13,509
x or not there because of

14908
08:38:13,509 --> 08:38:15,244
reason why.

14909
08:38:15,244 --> 08:38:18,481
Or not there because of reason

14910
08:38:18,481 --> 08:38:20,583
z and the end result is there's

14911
08:38:20,583 --> 08:38:23,119
very little suitable space for

14912
08:38:23,119 --> 08:38:25,519
the reasonably priced housing

14913
08:38:29,192 --> 08:38:29,859
the message becomes no one

14914
08:38:29,859 --> 08:38:30,660
else's welcome to continue

14915
08:38:30,660 --> 08:38:31,270
renting because the

14916
08:38:31,270 --> 08:38:31,561
american

14917
08:38:31,561 --> 08:38:34,561
dream is not for you.

14918
08:38:34,764 --> 08:38:35,231
You own nothing and you will be

14919
08:38:35,231 --> 08:38:35,831
happy.

14920
08:38:35,831 --> 08:38:40,310
We are at risk of becoming a

14921
08:38:42,380 --> 08:38:42,805
transient county where young

14922
08:38:42,805 --> 08:38:43,672
families are subscribing to

14923
08:38:43,672 --> 08:38:44,507
live just because it is within

14924
08:38:44,507 --> 08:38:44,741
a manageable district

14925
08:38:44,741 --> 08:38:45,708
.

14926
08:38:45,708 --> 08:38:48,708
If you want homeownership the

14927
08:38:50,213 --> 08:38:50,513
message becomes no

14928
08:38:50,513 --> 08:38:51,214
.

14929
08:38:51,214 --> 08:38:54,214
Spend more time communing and

14930
08:38:59,188 --> 08:38:59,856
less time with their family.

14931
08:38:59,856 --> 08:39:00,690
understand there are many

14932
08:39:00,690 --> 08:39:01,357
factors contributing to the

14933
08:39:01,357 --> 08:39:02,458
housing crisis one of those

14934
08:39:02,458 --> 08:39:06,658
that supply and that is a key

14935
08:39:08,498 --> 08:39:09,198
the board distal control over.

14936
08:39:09,198 --> 08:39:10,990
It is within your power to do

14937
08:39:10,990 --> 08:39:10,433
your part in reining in these

14938
08:39:10,433 --> 08:39:12,433
runaway home

14939
08:39:14,871 --> 08:39:15,572
prices.

14940
08:39:15,572 --> 08:39:19,172
Looking at hoadley square I see

14941
08:39:20,760 --> 08:39:20,910
a proposal that sets a strong

14942
08:39:20,910 --> 08:39:21,578
standard for environmental

14943
08:39:21,578 --> 08:39:23,978
protection and has adequate

14944
08:39:24,514 --> 08:39:26,449
funds proffered to support

14945
08:39:26,449 --> 08:39:27,449
transportation education.

14946
08:39:27,449 --> 08:39:29,919
Just as important and means

14947
08:39:29,919 --> 08:39:30,720
warehousing for young families

14948
08:39:30,720 --> 08:39:33,523
who want to call prince william

14949
08:39:33,523 --> 08:39:33,789
home

14950
08:39:33,789 --> 08:39:34,424
.

14951
08:39:34,424 --> 08:39:35,325
Not just some transient

14952
08:39:35,325 --> 08:39:38,940
location where we subscribe to

14953
08:39:38,940 --> 08:39:41,694
limburg am asking the board of

14954
08:39:42,932 --> 08:39:43,666
supervisors to invest in the

14955
08:39:43,666 --> 08:39:44,500
vision of a county where people

14956
08:39:44,500 --> 08:39:46,169
can continue to lead on the

14957
08:39:46,169 --> 08:39:48,169
roots.

14958
08:39:51,708 --> 08:39:52,542
Not just a place they lead so

14959
08:39:52,542 --> 08:39:52,775
they can take their kids to

14960
08:39:52,775 --> 08:39:54,544
mosaic.

14961
08:39:54,544 --> 08:39:57,346
Did not just a place where you

14962
08:39:57,346 --> 08:39:59,249
a are a perpetual tenant.

14963
08:39:59,249 --> 08:40:02,249
Hoadley squirt and I request

14964
08:40:02,584 --> 08:40:03,219
the honorable board of

14965
08:40:03,219 --> 08:40:04,554
supervisors vote in favor of

14966
08:40:04,554 --> 08:40:05,188
the conference of plan

14967
08:40:05,188 --> 08:40:07,588
amendment and the rezoning.

14968
08:40:08,124 --> 08:40:09,125
Thank you.

14969
08:40:09,125 --> 08:40:11,125
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

14970
08:40:12,528 --> 08:40:13,229
before I get to the next

14971
08:40:13,229 --> 08:40:13,763
speaker I want to make sure I

14972
08:40:13,763 --> 08:40:14,764
call the next few.

14973
08:40:14,764 --> 08:40:16,764
So I've richard.

14974
08:40:17,333 --> 08:40:19,333
Nathan higgins

14975
08:40:19,369 --> 08:40:21,369
.

14976
08:40:24,574 --> 08:40:26,574
[Name]

14977
08:40:28,110 --> 08:40:30,110
Thank you.

14978
08:40:31,714 --> 08:40:33,516
[Name]

14979
08:40:33,516 --> 08:40:35,516
Kevin parker

14980
08:40:35,685 --> 08:40:37,685
.

14981
08:40:39,489 --> 08:40:41,724
[Name] If you can all go to the

14982
08:40:41,724 --> 08:40:43,560
back.

14983
08:40:43,560 --> 08:40:47,760
And then I will have the next

14984
08:40:53,360 --> 08:40:53,703
speaker come up.

14985
08:40:53,703 --> 08:40:56,103
Spoke on jonathan higgins,

14986
08:40:58,241 --> 08:40:59,242
nathan higgins father.

14987
08:40:59,242 --> 08:41:02,842
It's a school night so school

14988
08:41:07,650 --> 08:41:08,351
starts in seven hours or so.

14989
08:41:08,351 --> 08:41:09,152
He is getting up in seven hours

14990
08:41:09,152 --> 08:41:09,819
so I am here on his behalf.

14991
08:41:09,819 --> 08:41:10,653
Ot going to try to retell

14992
08:41:10,653 --> 08:41:11,321
what nathan told you.

14993
08:41:11,321 --> 08:41:12,689
You heard about his concerns

14994
08:41:12,689 --> 08:41:16,289
with the school capacity in the

14995
08:41:17,360 --> 08:41:18,194
traffic capacity and they are

14996
08:41:18,194 --> 08:41:19,495
the same concerns on the

14997
08:41:19,495 --> 08:41:21,495
project here.

14998
08:41:22,165 --> 08:41:24,434
Item I would like to bring up

14999
08:41:24,434 --> 08:41:26,135
is that b3 zoning

15000
08:41:26,135 --> 08:41:28,135
.

15001
08:41:31,741 --> 08:41:32,542
I look at that is a different

15002
08:41:32,542 --> 08:41:32,775
area than the rest of the

15003
08:41:32,775 --> 08:41:34,775
project.

15004
08:41:38,781 --> 08:41:39,481
I'm concerned with the orpa I

15005
08:41:39,481 --> 08:41:42,481
don't support that but the

15006
08:41:44,687 --> 08:41:45,622
zoning a particular hate to use

15007
08:41:45,622 --> 08:41:49,222
the word offensive, but I would

15008
08:41:51,460 --> 08:41:52,194
use that word.

15009
08:41:52,194 --> 08:41:53,960
The idea homes can be bought in

15010
08:41:53,960 --> 08:41:54,364
the neighborhood and rezoned

15011
08:41:54,364 --> 08:41:57,364
out from under you to

15012
08:41:58,100 --> 08:41:58,668
commercial space, convenience

15013
08:41:58,668 --> 08:41:59,469
store, whatever the different

15014
08:41:59,469 --> 08:42:01,469
ideas have been

15015
08:42:03,439 --> 08:42:05,439
.

15016
08:42:06,408 --> 08:42:07,377
Thinking lot of us in this room

15017
08:42:07,377 --> 08:42:07,944
lives in a community that

15018
08:42:07,944 --> 08:42:10,944
doesn't have an hoa that

15019
08:42:11,647 --> 08:42:14,584
doesn't protect us from the

15020
08:42:14,584 --> 08:42:16,584
sort of intrusion.

15021
08:42:19,622 --> 08:42:20,189
Purchased the home my realtor

15022
08:42:20,189 --> 08:42:20,690
looked at not

15023
08:42:20,690 --> 08:42:23,900
having hoa being a

15024
08:42:24,427 --> 08:42:25,428
positive thing.

15025
08:42:25,428 --> 08:42:26,290
Never realized there is no

15026
08:42:26,290 --> 08:42:28,429
organization or by laws

15027
08:42:30,233 --> 08:42:33,233
protecting me from having homes

15028
08:42:33,603 --> 08:42:34,304
converted and rezoned.

15029
08:42:34,304 --> 08:42:35,939
That is why we rely on mute to

15030
08:42:35,939 --> 08:42:38,808
prevent zoning and things of

15031
08:42:38,808 --> 08:42:41,808
that nature to maintain the

15032
08:42:43,479 --> 08:42:46,479
public confidence that if you

15033
08:42:50,353 --> 08:42:51,487
move into a neighborhood it is

15034
08:42:51,487 --> 08:42:52,880
not going to become a

15035
08:42:52,880 --> 08:42:52,889
convenience store and at the

15036
08:42:52,889 --> 08:42:53,523
convenience store doesn't work

15037
08:42:53,523 --> 08:42:55,959
out become a smoke shop like I

15038
08:42:55,959 --> 08:42:57,927
have seen in some of the other

15039
08:42:57,927 --> 08:43:00,327
neighborhoods were mixed use

15040
08:43:02,565 --> 08:43:03,199
zoning was allowed in the

15041
08:43:03,199 --> 08:43:05,199
businesses failed.

15042
08:43:06,268 --> 08:43:06,402
With that I ask you to vote no

15043
08:43:06,402 --> 08:43:08,402
.

15044
08:43:10,807 --> 08:43:11,740
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15045
08:43:11,740 --> 08:43:13,740
thank you.

15046
08:43:15,411 --> 08:43:16,412
Next speaker, please.

15047
08:43:16,412 --> 08:43:18,412
>> Public Speaker: good

15048
08:43:19,115 --> 08:43:20,820
evening.

15049
08:43:20,820 --> 08:43:22,151
It will be good morning soon.

15050
08:43:22,151 --> 08:43:25,751
Neabsco district but I did live

15051
08:43:26,556 --> 08:43:29,556
across from this project for

15052
08:43:31,628 --> 08:43:32,362
many years.

15053
08:43:32,362 --> 08:43:33,195
In queens dale estates today

15054
08:43:33,195 --> 08:43:36,766
there is a property in the

15055
08:43:36,766 --> 08:43:37,500
market for 950,000.

15056
08:43:37,500 --> 08:43:40,770
Most properties when I lived in

15057
08:43:40,770 --> 08:43:42,770
the area were 500, 550.

15058
08:43:49,913 --> 08:43:50,914
And basically it has doubled

15059
08:43:50,914 --> 08:43:51,114
that's what's happening in the

15060
08:43:51,114 --> 08:43:52,480
area.

15061
08:43:52,480 --> 08:43:52,415
For me this is the most storm

15062
08:43:52,415 --> 08:43:53,490
desirable area.

15063
08:43:53,490 --> 08:43:54,500
That last barrier between

15064
08:43:54,500 --> 08:43:56,450
eastern prince william county

15065
08:43:59,856 --> 08:44:00,623
and manasses area.

15066
08:44:00,623 --> 08:44:01,357
Realistically at the end of the

15067
08:44:01,357 --> 08:44:03,626
day, and this is still a

15068
08:44:03,626 --> 08:44:04,894
suburban area often measure

15069
08:44:04,894 --> 08:44:08,398
road at a major intersection in

15070
08:44:08,398 --> 08:44:09,650
prince william pkwy.

15071
08:44:09,650 --> 08:44:12,665
, we have here is a property

15072
08:44:12,969 --> 08:44:14,700
that is attached to this major

15073
08:44:14,700 --> 08:44:17,700
route and that the development

15074
08:44:18,241 --> 08:44:18,975
is going.

15075
08:44:18,975 --> 08:44:20,143
What it does all this instead

15076
08:44:20,143 --> 08:44:22,543
having homes at 950,000 the

15077
08:44:26,349 --> 08:44:26,950
lack of supply, there are five

15078
08:44:26,950 --> 08:44:27,850
homes in the entire area

15079
08:44:27,850 --> 08:44:28,851
between trenton road and

15080
08:44:28,851 --> 08:44:30,851
richfield available-for-sale.

15081
08:44:33,789 --> 08:44:34,457
rom prince william pkwy.

15082
08:44:34,457 --> 08:44:35,425
To dale boulevard, the entire

15083
08:44:35,425 --> 08:44:36,259
square if you guys can have the

15084
08:44:36,259 --> 08:44:39,259
mental imagery, it is five

15085
08:44:44,367 --> 08:44:44,667
homes that are for sale in the

15086
08:44:44,667 --> 08:44:45,235
entire area.

15087
08:44:45,235 --> 08:44:45,935
Hat's what we

15088
08:44:45,935 --> 08:44:46,134
have had for the last couple

15089
08:44:46,134 --> 08:44:46,903
years.

15090
08:44:46,903 --> 08:44:47,236
We need to solve is a supply

15091
08:44:47,236 --> 08:44:49,236
issue.

15092
08:44:50,974 --> 08:44:51,908
We need 2000 homes in the

15093
08:44:51,908 --> 08:44:54,577
region to solve some format of

15094
08:44:54,577 --> 08:44:56,577
what we have.

15095
08:44:59,182 --> 08:45:01,850
What the impact for me here.

15096
08:45:01,850 --> 08:45:04,153
And live off dale boulevard

15097
08:45:04,153 --> 08:45:08,353
that is one of only parks and

15098
08:45:10,260 --> 08:45:10,393
trails you can access walking

15099
08:45:10,393 --> 08:45:12,393
.

15100
08:45:13,763 --> 08:45:15,763
There is nothing.

15101
08:45:16,798 --> 08:45:19,798
From dale boulevard to prince

15102
08:45:20,903 --> 08:45:21,905
william pkwy.

15103
08:45:21,905 --> 08:45:23,606
And there's no sidewalks and no

15104
08:45:23,606 --> 08:45:24,273
access to any kind of amenities

15105
08:45:24,273 --> 08:45:26,209
.

15106
08:45:26,209 --> 08:45:29,511
For me what this creates is a

15107
08:45:29,511 --> 08:45:30,546
movable, walkable community

15108
08:45:30,546 --> 08:45:33,716
where I have a sidewalk that

15109
08:45:33,716 --> 08:45:34,584
connects to hoadley.

15110
08:45:34,584 --> 08:45:37,584
It creates trails I can

15111
08:45:39,756 --> 08:45:40,123
actually walk

15112
08:45:40,123 --> 08:45:41,900
.

15113
08:45:41,900 --> 08:45:45,290
If you guys are aware, there is

15114
08:45:48,298 --> 08:45:48,998
nothing in the area.

15115
08:45:48,998 --> 08:45:49,499
There is no nature, there's no

15116
08:45:49,499 --> 08:45:50,366
walkable communities.

15117
08:45:50,366 --> 08:45:53,966
For me that's one of the

15118
08:45:54,604 --> 08:45:54,771
biggest potential impacts for

15119
08:45:54,771 --> 08:45:55,538
me.

15120
08:45:55,538 --> 08:45:56,539
I think the applicants have

15121
08:45:56,539 --> 08:45:57,205
done a great job lowering the

15122
08:45:57,205 --> 08:45:58,410
density so there is a lot of

15123
08:45:58,410 --> 08:45:59,208
density pick what they are

15124
08:45:59,208 --> 08:46:01,511
doing is bringing density that

15125
08:46:01,511 --> 08:46:04,511
matters and they are creating

15126
08:46:06,583 --> 08:46:06,983
better product

15127
08:46:06,983 --> 08:46:07,683
.

15128
08:46:07,683 --> 08:46:08,551
With the maple dale proposal

15129
08:46:08,551 --> 08:46:12,751
you have a lot of these high

15130
08:46:15,291 --> 08:46:16,292
density, smaller homes this

15131
08:46:16,292 --> 08:46:17,160
type of product brings livable

15132
08:46:17,160 --> 08:46:18,695
townhomes, usable townhomes.

15133
08:46:18,695 --> 08:46:21,950
I personally hate the

15134
08:46:30,730 --> 08:46:30,907
reloading, kind of four levels

15135
08:46:30,907 --> 08:46:31,808
.

15136
08:46:31,808 --> 08:46:32,375
Data house you can have a

15137
08:46:32,375 --> 08:46:33,420
modest space in, have a

15138
08:46:33,420 --> 08:46:33,943
townhouse that has a garage,

15139
08:46:33,943 --> 08:46:35,110
have a driveway so you are not

15140
08:46:35,110 --> 08:46:35,878
in these communities where one

15141
08:46:35,878 --> 08:46:36,145
car can come in, one car can

15142
08:46:36,145 --> 08:46:37,460
come out.

15143
08:46:37,460 --> 08:46:37,880
The community design has been

15144
08:46:37,880 --> 08:46:38,714
great, the public area is

15145
08:46:38,714 --> 08:46:39,315
great.

15146
08:46:39,315 --> 08:46:40,215
I don't know of any other

15147
08:46:40,215 --> 08:46:43,215
developer in the region that

15148
08:46:43,886 --> 08:46:44,854
would do what they can for the

15149
08:46:44,854 --> 08:46:47,854
public and that's the biggest

15150
08:46:48,910 --> 08:46:49,250
difference between the

15151
08:46:49,250 --> 08:46:51,160
development versus others the

15152
08:46:51,160 --> 08:46:52,128
fact that there is additional

15153
08:46:52,128 --> 08:46:54,364
parking, the fact they are

15154
08:46:54,364 --> 08:46:56,364
relining the road.

15155
08:47:02,205 --> 08:47:02,906
I go across that every friday.

15156
08:47:02,906 --> 08:47:03,706
The misalignment has been so

15157
08:47:03,706 --> 08:47:04,340
many incidents there.

15158
08:47:04,340 --> 08:47:05,608
Having the ability to pull

15159
08:47:05,608 --> 08:47:09,208
traffic away and have a public

15160
08:47:14,217 --> 08:47:14,951
road that goes into their

15161
08:47:14,951 --> 08:47:15,885
having the access to galveston.

15162
08:47:15,885 --> 08:47:17,320
Not only is it going to support

15163
08:47:17,320 --> 08:47:17,921
the businesses, all the people

15164
08:47:17,921 --> 08:47:18,554
leaving other friday, but it

15165
08:47:18,554 --> 08:47:19,722
will pull a lot of the traffic

15166
08:47:19,722 --> 08:47:22,722
away from the intersection of

15167
08:47:31,200 --> 08:47:31,833
queens dale.

15168
08:47:31,833 --> 08:47:33,303
So those are major points.

15169
08:47:33,303 --> 08:47:34,203
If you look at the current farm

15170
08:47:34,203 --> 08:47:34,704
that's the majority of the

15171
08:47:34,704 --> 08:47:35,705
developable area.

15172
08:47:35,705 --> 08:47:36,906
It is really a minor area, in

15173
08:47:36,906 --> 08:47:37,806
additional seven acres.

15174
08:47:37,806 --> 08:47:42,600
But the majority is going to be

15175
08:47:45,314 --> 08:47:46,249
preserved and I know that if a

15176
08:47:46,249 --> 08:47:46,883
huge concern but this is a

15177
08:47:46,883 --> 08:47:50,483
suburban area off of the major

15178
08:47:56,226 --> 08:47:59,280
road at a major intersection

15179
08:47:59,280 --> 08:48:00,129
.

15180
08:48:00,129 --> 08:48:00,730
That is it for me.

15181
08:48:00,730 --> 08:48:01,464
i would ask you to approve it.

15182
08:48:01,464 --> 08:48:02,980
It is going to be huge impact

15183
08:48:02,980 --> 08:48:02,966
and will bring a lot of people

15184
08:48:02,966 --> 08:48:06,566
that can live and work here.

15185
08:48:10,600 --> 08:48:10,640
Would add one thing.

15186
08:48:10,640 --> 08:48:11,473
For me every single community

15187
08:48:11,473 --> 08:48:12,141
amenity have to drive to.

15188
08:48:12,141 --> 08:48:13,576
I used to do a lot of sports.

15189
08:48:13,576 --> 08:48:14,644
Have to go to fairfax to have

15190
08:48:14,644 --> 08:48:17,440
that environment or community

15191
08:48:21,985 --> 08:48:22,752
center.

15192
08:48:22,752 --> 08:48:23,553
Is nothing like that here and a

15193
08:48:23,553 --> 08:48:24,120
lot of times we need the

15194
08:48:24,120 --> 08:48:25,288
density.

15195
08:48:25,288 --> 08:48:26,289
We need the density to support

15196
08:48:26,289 --> 08:48:27,490
community events, community

15197
08:48:27,490 --> 08:48:29,490
activities and programs.

15198
08:48:31,194 --> 08:48:31,928
We need the density to create

15199
08:48:31,928 --> 08:48:36,128
jobs in the area and have the

15200
08:48:40,236 --> 08:48:41,170
jobs be local versus having to

15201
08:48:41,170 --> 08:48:41,938
go to D.C. Or arlington and

15202
08:48:41,938 --> 08:48:42,939
same thing for retail.

15203
08:48:42,939 --> 08:48:45,174
We need density to support

15204
08:48:45,174 --> 08:48:46,175
long-lasting retail in our area

15205
08:48:46,175 --> 08:48:46,843
versus we get half-baked ideas

15206
08:48:46,843 --> 08:48:50,443
over here that last a couple

15207
08:48:52,482 --> 08:48:53,216
years and they fizzle out.

15208
08:48:53,216 --> 08:48:54,500
With all that I would ask you

15209
08:48:54,500 --> 08:48:54,484
vote for approval on this

15210
08:48:54,484 --> 08:48:55,752
project.

15211
08:48:55,752 --> 08:48:57,553
Thank you.

15212
08:48:57,553 --> 08:48:59,553
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15213
08:49:04,427 --> 08:49:05,428
next speaker, please.

15214
08:49:05,428 --> 08:49:07,428
>> Public Speaker: kevin

15215
08:49:11,340 --> 08:49:13,340
parker, neabsco district.

15216
08:49:14,938 --> 08:49:18,374
I'm here to urge you to vote

15217
08:49:18,374 --> 08:49:19,750
against this.

15218
08:49:19,750 --> 08:49:22,675
We need to balance the values

15219
08:49:23,613 --> 08:49:24,614
of housing and the other

15220
08:49:24,614 --> 08:49:27,140
environmental values that we

15221
08:49:27,617 --> 08:49:28,318
have.

15222
08:49:28,318 --> 08:49:32,255
But we tend to do with water

15223
08:49:32,255 --> 08:49:36,455
issues like in the book I read,

15224
08:49:37,994 --> 08:49:38,995
a civil action talking about

15225
08:49:38,995 --> 08:49:39,929
the pollution in woburn

15226
08:49:39,929 --> 08:49:40,563
massachusetts and exposed

15227
08:49:40,563 --> 08:49:41,564
talking about the pollution in

15228
08:49:41,564 --> 08:49:42,532
west virginia

15229
08:49:42,532 --> 08:49:43,233
.

15230
08:49:43,233 --> 08:49:44,801
intends to cause a big problem.

15231
08:49:44,801 --> 08:49:48,504
And later go we have a big

15232
08:49:48,504 --> 08:49:48,737
problem we have to fix the

15233
08:49:48,737 --> 08:49:50,737
problem.

15234
08:49:52,107 --> 08:49:53,420
It is better to instead with

15235
08:49:53,420 --> 08:49:56,420
water situations is to say

15236
08:49:57,680 --> 08:50:00,383
let's try to have a situation

15237
08:50:00,383 --> 08:50:03,383
beforehand and not worry about

15238
08:50:07,123 --> 08:50:07,790
the problem after it happens.

15239
08:50:07,790 --> 08:50:09,425
Was mentioned about this is a

15240
08:50:09,425 --> 08:50:13,250
small area in comparison of the

15241
08:50:15,365 --> 08:50:17,333
watershed.

15242
08:50:17,333 --> 08:50:20,933
Say we want to protect the

15243
08:50:21,905 --> 08:50:24,905
occoquan nonstick to the rules

15244
08:50:24,974 --> 08:50:29,174
is like saying you want to lose

15245
08:50:31,681 --> 08:50:32,382
weight but not today.

15246
08:50:32,382 --> 08:50:34,150
Today in comparison to the will

15247
08:50:34,150 --> 08:50:37,150
of everything is not really

15248
08:50:37,620 --> 08:50:38,354
consequential.

15249
08:50:38,354 --> 08:50:41,954
I don't think it's realistic to

15250
08:50:42,492 --> 08:50:45,492
think people will use public

15251
08:50:49,766 --> 08:50:50,800
transit from this location.

15252
08:50:50,800 --> 08:50:51,367
The commuting will get worse it

15253
08:50:51,367 --> 08:50:54,967
will be the same issue the

15254
08:50:55,905 --> 08:50:56,839
gentleman that spoke for it was

15255
08:50:56,839 --> 08:50:57,407
talking about traveling in from

15256
08:50:57,407 --> 08:50:59,407
outside the county.

15257
08:50:59,576 --> 08:51:01,576
You

15258
08:51:02,440 --> 08:51:02,612
increase the time on the road

15259
08:51:02,612 --> 08:51:04,612
.

15260
08:51:04,914 --> 08:51:07,917
A lot of people can't be at

15261
08:51:07,917 --> 08:51:09,886
these meetings and all the

15262
08:51:09,886 --> 08:51:13,486
people will be stuck in traffic

15263
08:51:15,225 --> 08:51:16,250
on old bridge the parkway.

15264
08:51:16,250 --> 08:51:19,250
Eventually the story would have

15265
08:51:19,662 --> 08:51:20,363
to be told that the decisions

15266
08:51:20,363 --> 08:51:21,331
that led to the situation of

15267
08:51:21,331 --> 08:51:22,932
living and sitting in traffic

15268
08:51:22,932 --> 08:51:25,332
and how it happened.

15269
08:51:28,438 --> 08:51:29,500
It we developed on the edge

15270
08:51:29,500 --> 08:51:31,405
over the decades the

15271
08:51:33,710 --> 08:51:34,377
development moved from 95

15272
08:51:34,377 --> 08:51:34,644
marching out in the manassas

15273
08:51:34,644 --> 08:51:36,644
direction.

15274
08:51:40,250 --> 08:51:40,949
What we decided to

15275
08:51:40,949 --> 08:51:41,884
do instead having the density

15276
08:51:41,884 --> 08:51:44,821
that people do want to, we said

15277
08:51:44,821 --> 08:51:45,521
okay we want to have this dense

15278
08:51:45,521 --> 08:51:46,522
development on the edge of the

15279
08:51:46,522 --> 08:51:50,122
pattern for I've lived here for

15280
08:51:50,727 --> 08:51:53,727
decades as the emerging among

15281
08:51:55,131 --> 08:51:55,832
old bridge over the years.

15282
08:51:55,832 --> 08:51:59,432
All the arguments I have heard

15283
08:52:03,339 --> 08:52:06,939
are persuasive I think I think

15284
08:52:08,378 --> 08:52:08,945
these are strong arguments that

15285
08:52:08,945 --> 08:52:11,945
argue in favor of voting

15286
08:52:12,282 --> 08:52:13,283
against this project.

15287
08:52:13,283 --> 08:52:15,118
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15288
08:52:15,118 --> 08:52:15,818
before we get to the next

15289
08:52:15,818 --> 08:52:16,920
speaker I want to call up my

15290
08:52:16,920 --> 08:52:17,153
next group.

15291
08:52:17,153 --> 08:52:19,153
I have.

15292
08:52:23,260 --> 08:52:23,927
[Name]

15293
08:52:23,927 --> 08:52:24,894
, allie and a guy named

15294
08:52:24,894 --> 08:52:28,494
chris griffin said he wanted to

15295
08:52:34,690 --> 08:52:34,337
sign up?

15296
08:52:34,337 --> 08:52:35,203
All right.

15297
08:52:35,203 --> 08:52:36,720
And that is it for in person.

15298
08:52:36,720 --> 08:52:36,706
If all of you can go up.

15299
08:52:36,706 --> 08:52:36,940
>> Public Speaker: good

15300
08:52:36,940 --> 08:52:37,140
evening.

15301
08:52:37,140 --> 08:52:39,140
I am.

15302
08:52:40,643 --> 08:52:41,578
[Name] I have been in part in

15303
08:52:41,578 --> 08:52:44,447
this area since 1995 so for the

15304
08:52:44,447 --> 08:52:47,447
last 30 years I've lived in

15305
08:52:49,418 --> 08:52:50,386
manassas, manassas park and I

15306
08:52:50,386 --> 08:52:51,187
live in bristow as part of the

15307
08:52:51,187 --> 08:52:51,888
gainesville district.

15308
08:52:51,888 --> 08:52:53,690
First I would like to thank all

15309
08:52:53,690 --> 08:52:56,690
of you county staff and

15310
08:53:01,898 --> 08:53:02,497
everyone involved such as

15311
08:53:02,497 --> 08:53:03,566
trenton project area.

15312
08:53:03,566 --> 08:53:04,167
I strongly support the project

15313
08:53:04,167 --> 08:53:04,901
as it represents responsible

15314
08:53:04,901 --> 08:53:07,301
growth of benefits local

15315
08:53:11,840 --> 08:53:12,842
community in the county.

15316
08:53:12,842 --> 08:53:13,543
In the past 30 years I've seen

15317
08:53:13,543 --> 08:53:14,344
housing demand and supply and

15318
08:53:14,344 --> 08:53:14,644
how it impacted on an

15319
08:53:14,644 --> 08:53:15,511
individual.

15320
08:53:15,511 --> 08:53:16,345
As many of us know currently

15321
08:53:16,345 --> 08:53:18,345
into significant housing

15322
08:53:20,490 --> 08:53:20,717
shortage.

15323
08:53:20,717 --> 08:53:21,551
My daughter working full-time

15324
08:53:21,551 --> 08:53:25,151
for the past three years is

15325
08:53:26,155 --> 08:53:26,456
struggling to find a home

15326
08:53:26,456 --> 08:53:27,423
.

15327
08:53:27,423 --> 08:53:28,424
Increasing the housing supply

15328
08:53:28,424 --> 08:53:31,424
is crucial to addressing rising

15329
08:53:37,500 --> 08:53:38,167
costs.

15330
08:53:38,167 --> 08:53:39,135
as we know from the principal

15331
08:53:39,135 --> 08:53:39,636
limited supply and how demand

15332
08:53:39,636 --> 08:53:40,470
drive up prices.

15333
08:53:40,470 --> 08:53:41,104
This is exactly what's

15334
08:53:41,104 --> 08:53:41,971
happening in our area.

15335
08:53:41,971 --> 08:53:43,373
By improving the project we can

15336
08:53:43,373 --> 08:53:44,240
take a significant step toward

15337
08:53:44,240 --> 08:53:44,908
meeting communities need.

15338
08:53:44,908 --> 08:53:45,742
We look forward to receiving

15339
08:53:45,742 --> 08:53:46,900
approval for the project.

15340
08:53:46,900 --> 08:53:47,243
Thank you.

15341
08:53:47,243 --> 08:53:49,243
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15342
08:53:57,553 --> 08:53:58,554
next speaker, please.

15343
08:53:58,554 --> 08:53:58,788
>> Public Speaker: good

15344
08:53:58,788 --> 08:53:59,555
evening.

15345
08:53:59,555 --> 08:54:02,555
And then number in the

15346
08:54:02,724 --> 08:54:03,726
community since 2010.

15347
08:54:03,726 --> 08:54:04,694
Here to talk about the housing

15348
08:54:04,694 --> 08:54:06,694
affordability.

15349
08:54:08,298 --> 08:54:09,831
As a parent I'm concerned about

15350
08:54:09,831 --> 08:54:12,231
the limited options available

15351
08:54:13,803 --> 08:54:14,370
to the young graduate

15352
08:54:14,370 --> 08:54:15,400
.

15353
08:54:15,400 --> 08:54:18,400
I strongly support the project

15354
08:54:19,309 --> 08:54:22,909
and urge you to approve it.

15355
08:54:24,514 --> 08:54:25,415
More housing means more

15356
08:54:25,415 --> 08:54:26,149
opportunities for our children

15357
08:54:26,149 --> 08:54:26,482
to stay in the community they

15358
08:54:26,482 --> 08:54:28,482
grew up in.

15359
08:54:30,486 --> 08:54:34,860
Let's work together to build a

15360
08:54:35,692 --> 08:54:36,693
bright future for our families

15361
08:54:36,693 --> 08:54:37,660
with forward to receiving your

15362
08:54:37,660 --> 08:54:37,893
approval for this project

15363
08:54:37,893 --> 08:54:38,161
.

15364
08:54:38,161 --> 08:54:39,596
Thank you.

15365
08:54:39,596 --> 08:54:41,596
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15366
08:54:47,870 --> 08:54:49,870
next speaker, please.

15367
08:54:51,507 --> 08:54:52,408
>> Public Speaker: five minutes

15368
08:54:52,408 --> 08:54:55,408
later it would've been good

15369
08:54:56,379 --> 08:54:56,679
morning.

15370
08:54:56,679 --> 08:54:57,480
My name is.

15371
08:54:57,480 --> 08:54:59,749
[Name] I would request to give

15372
08:54:59,749 --> 08:55:00,750
me a little more time because

15373
08:55:00,750 --> 08:55:01,684
I'm going to mention something

15374
08:55:01,684 --> 08:55:02,352
that is not just what everyone

15375
08:55:02,352 --> 08:55:05,355
else said that will open your

15376
08:55:05,355 --> 08:55:08,955
eyes in terms of other aspects

15377
08:55:13,396 --> 08:55:14,970
.

15378
08:55:14,970 --> 08:55:14,364
I've lived directly across from

15379
08:55:14,364 --> 08:55:15,980
the

15380
08:55:15,980 --> 08:55:17,133
horse farm the subdivision

15381
08:55:17,133 --> 08:55:19,133
that has 60 houses.

15382
08:55:20,870 --> 08:55:21,771
Unfortunately than builders we

15383
08:55:21,771 --> 08:55:22,505
are providing the space for

15384
08:55:22,505 --> 08:55:25,275
community for folks to come in

15385
08:55:25,275 --> 08:55:26,276
and enjoy time.

15386
08:55:26,276 --> 08:55:27,210
They didn't do anything for the

15387
08:55:27,210 --> 08:55:29,210
subdivision.

15388
08:55:31,547 --> 08:55:32,582
I wish the county did they

15389
08:55:32,582 --> 08:55:36,782
proffer and out a little bit a

15390
08:55:38,655 --> 08:55:39,656
land for a parker something.

15391
08:55:39,656 --> 08:55:43,590
Was here and mentioned the only

15392
08:55:43,590 --> 08:55:47,259
place where the kids can go, we

15393
08:55:47,730 --> 08:55:50,130
go to dar alnoor.

15394
08:55:51,801 --> 08:55:54,201
We have swings literally

15395
08:55:57,807 --> 08:55:58,374
nothing on this area.

15396
08:55:58,374 --> 08:56:00,774
I'm excited about it.

15397
08:56:04,480 --> 08:56:08,800
Because one of the reasons for

15398
08:56:09,850 --> 08:56:11,321
us to go somewhere is a park

15399
08:56:11,321 --> 08:56:14,257
like that, there's a walk

15400
08:56:14,257 --> 08:56:14,924
around in depend elementary.

15401
08:56:14,924 --> 08:56:19,124
In fact, one time I didn't know

15402
08:56:19,128 --> 08:56:20,960
that and I took my children

15403
08:56:20,960 --> 08:56:21,831
over there and the principal

15404
08:56:21,831 --> 08:56:22,699
came out running saying we can

15405
08:56:22,699 --> 08:56:23,399
be here during school hours

15406
08:56:23,399 --> 08:56:25,680
even though there was nobody

15407
08:56:25,680 --> 08:56:26,690
using it.

15408
08:56:26,690 --> 08:56:26,269
That is the frustration that we

15409
08:56:26,269 --> 08:56:28,269
feel.

15410
08:56:29,539 --> 08:56:33,750
Anyway, moving on the reason I

15411
08:56:33,750 --> 08:56:36,675
wanted extra time was we all

15412
08:56:37,113 --> 08:56:40,617
grabbed a word but I can

15413
08:56:40,617 --> 08:56:42,451
guarantee you I didn't think I

15414
08:56:42,451 --> 08:56:45,451
think the folks here today.

15415
08:56:47,624 --> 08:56:48,324
Thank you executive shorter.

15416
08:56:48,324 --> 08:56:49,359
Thank you to the chairperson

15417
08:56:49,359 --> 08:56:52,359
other folks being here past

15418
08:56:58,301 --> 08:56:59,350
midnight and listening to us

15419
08:56:59,350 --> 08:57:00,303
babbling for going back to what

15420
08:57:00,303 --> 08:57:01,638
I insane, the buzzword we all

15421
08:57:01,638 --> 08:57:02,305
cite arpa but go ask the

15422
08:57:02,305 --> 08:57:02,939
residents 90 percent of even

15423
08:57:02,939 --> 08:57:03,506
know what it is.

15424
08:57:03,506 --> 08:57:06,506
The reason I'm saying this

15425
08:57:11,581 --> 08:57:12,715
right now is what is it really.

15426
08:57:12,715 --> 08:57:13,349
Never in the history of man

15427
08:57:13,349 --> 08:57:14,500
kind putting a dam on the river

15428
08:57:14,500 --> 08:57:14,751
has been beneficial to the

15429
08:57:14,751 --> 08:57:18,351
natural life but we are calling

15430
08:57:18,688 --> 08:57:19,555
out supervisors and you made a

15431
08:57:19,555 --> 08:57:22,555
commitment that you're going to

15432
08:57:23,959 --> 08:57:24,961
protect the natural life.

15433
08:57:24,961 --> 08:57:29,161
If you protect arpa you are not

15434
08:57:40,420 --> 08:57:41,770
protecting the natural life.

15435
08:57:41,770 --> 08:57:41,744
It's like a fountain, water

15436
08:57:41,744 --> 08:57:42,245
content and there is a bucket

15437
08:57:42,245 --> 08:57:44,245
next to it.

15438
08:57:44,647 --> 08:57:45,315
The runoff goes into the bucket

15439
08:57:45,315 --> 08:57:46,215
supervisors, would you drink

15440
08:57:46,215 --> 08:57:49,619
out of the water faucet or the

15441
08:57:49,619 --> 08:57:50,320
bucket?

15442
08:57:50,320 --> 08:57:50,620
I would not drink out of the

15443
08:57:50,620 --> 08:57:52,620
bucket.

15444
08:57:52,922 --> 08:57:56,593
I would drink out of the water

15445
08:57:56,593 --> 08:57:57,527
faucet but guess what?

15446
08:57:57,527 --> 08:57:58,294
We have polluted parliament

15447
08:57:58,294 --> 08:57:59,262
reversal unit is supervisors

15448
08:57:59,262 --> 08:57:59,963
look at the bigger picture

15449
08:57:59,963 --> 08:58:03,563
because it we are looking at

15450
08:58:04,467 --> 08:58:04,968
this chunk of land in talking

15451
08:58:04,968 --> 08:58:06,200
our heart out.

15452
08:58:06,200 --> 08:58:09,602
Look at the bigger picture and

15453
08:58:09,706 --> 08:58:10,673
say we will clean up the river,

15454
08:58:10,673 --> 08:58:11,574
the state go unfenced going to

15455
08:58:11,574 --> 08:58:13,974
clean up all that.

15456
08:58:15,245 --> 08:58:19,445
It right of the river which is

15457
08:58:20,483 --> 08:58:21,183
dirty, which is nasty and

15458
08:58:21,183 --> 08:58:22,850
trying to fix it is not going

15459
08:58:22,850 --> 08:58:25,188
to work for trying to fix it is

15460
08:58:25,188 --> 08:58:26,122
almost like asking executive

15461
08:58:26,122 --> 08:58:27,590
shorter up the tree behind him,

15462
08:58:27,590 --> 08:58:31,190
can you please water that kenny

15463
08:58:31,561 --> 08:58:32,195
put some light on it.

15464
08:58:32,195 --> 08:58:35,795
It's not going to work out.

15465
08:58:35,832 --> 08:58:36,833
That is almost like that.

15466
08:58:36,833 --> 08:58:40,433
Trying to fix something that is

15467
08:58:43,639 --> 08:58:44,307
broken and we are all out here.

15468
08:58:44,307 --> 08:58:45,140
We have heard a lot of folks

15469
08:58:45,140 --> 08:58:45,842
talk about a joint that not

15470
08:58:45,842 --> 08:58:47,443
having an hoa that the land is

15471
08:58:47,443 --> 08:58:48,144
taken away and reasons.

15472
08:58:48,144 --> 08:58:48,978
We have heard the planning

15473
08:58:48,978 --> 08:58:51,378
commission folks coming and

15474
08:58:58,121 --> 08:58:59,220
satan snakes are getting into

15475
08:58:59,220 --> 08:58:59,689
the home because of the

15476
08:58:59,689 --> 08:58:59,923
subdivisions on the building

15477
08:58:59,923 --> 08:59:00,523
that's

15478
08:59:00,523 --> 08:59:01,157
going to happen.

15479
08:59:01,157 --> 08:59:02,250
That's not going to happen.

15480
08:59:02,250 --> 08:59:02,959
but I want to say right now,

15481
08:59:02,959 --> 08:59:03,760
which other folks haven't

15482
08:59:03,760 --> 08:59:04,327
talked about, is in 2021 there

15483
08:59:04,327 --> 08:59:06,327
was a resettlement.

15484
08:59:08,131 --> 08:59:09,132
Which is

15485
08:59:09,132 --> 08:59:09,966
what I told him the planning

15486
08:59:09,966 --> 08:59:12,235
commission hearing as well.

15487
08:59:12,235 --> 08:59:13,168
They were brought over here, I

15488
08:59:13,168 --> 08:59:17,368
am a veteran so they help those

15489
08:59:21,144 --> 08:59:21,811
overseas.

15490
08:59:21,811 --> 08:59:22,145
We try to resettle them over

15491
08:59:22,145 --> 08:59:23,146
here.

15492
08:59:23,146 --> 08:59:23,846
Housing prices so high like the

15493
08:59:23,846 --> 08:59:24,814
gentleman side almost $1

15494
08:59:24,814 --> 08:59:27,183
million so they cannot purchase

15495
08:59:27,183 --> 08:59:28,150
a home in this area.

15496
08:59:28,150 --> 08:59:30,530
Until these townhouses going

15497
08:59:30,530 --> 08:59:32,121
in, they are more reasonable in

15498
08:59:32,121 --> 08:59:34,489
price as opposed to

15499
08:59:34,489 --> 08:59:36,192
single-family homes on this

15500
08:59:36,192 --> 08:59:39,792
area and then there is bidding

15501
08:59:40,530 --> 08:59:41,397
even though I don't believe in

15502
08:59:41,397 --> 08:59:42,310
critical race theory but some

15503
08:59:42,310 --> 08:59:42,865
of my friends are like that

15504
08:59:42,865 --> 08:59:44,767
kinda sounds like it when you

15505
08:59:44,767 --> 08:59:45,668
have single-family homeowners

15506
08:59:45,668 --> 08:59:47,904
bidding on housing and you have

15507
08:59:47,904 --> 08:59:50,240
low income folks that can't get

15508
08:59:50,240 --> 08:59:51,140
in here in this area.

15509
08:59:51,140 --> 08:59:54,277
One thing I will mention to you

15510
08:59:54,277 --> 08:59:57,480
is these folks, like I said

15511
08:59:57,480 --> 08:59:59,282
there are many folks you will

15512
08:59:59,282 --> 09:00:01,682
see them on MARCH 29.

15513
09:00:07,357 --> 09:00:08,240
Is it MARCH 29

15514
09:00:08,240 --> 09:00:08,691
.

15515
09:00:08,691 --> 09:00:09,592
There would be 10,000 folks

15516
09:00:09,592 --> 09:00:10,460
every batch that will come in

15517
09:00:10,460 --> 09:00:10,960
from almost 30,000 folks that

15518
09:00:10,960 --> 09:00:11,561
will come in here.

15519
09:00:11,561 --> 09:00:12,528
These are the same folks

15520
09:00:12,528 --> 09:00:15,528
another expensive areas in the

15521
09:00:18,368 --> 09:00:19,680
movement in this area.

15522
09:00:19,680 --> 09:00:20,103
So you are actually providing a

15523
09:00:20,103 --> 09:00:20,303
means for the people to stay

15524
09:00:20,303 --> 09:00:20,870
here.

15525
09:00:20,870 --> 09:00:21,838
Come election time I can

15526
09:00:21,838 --> 09:00:23,673
guarantee these folks, I

15527
09:00:23,673 --> 09:00:25,775
request you to come on that

15528
09:00:25,775 --> 09:00:29,375
need and tell them that we

15529
09:00:32,916 --> 09:00:33,583
approved it, but the housing

15530
09:00:33,583 --> 09:00:34,517
happened and so you can move

15531
09:00:34,517 --> 09:00:35,418
into the housing cheaper homes

15532
09:00:35,418 --> 09:00:36,886
compared to the single-family

15533
09:00:36,886 --> 09:00:39,289
million dollar homes and we can

15534
09:00:39,289 --> 09:00:39,955
thank us for that.

15535
09:00:39,955 --> 09:00:42,692
And I can guarantee you they

15536
09:00:42,692 --> 09:00:42,958
will thank you for that.

15537
09:00:42,958 --> 09:00:44,193
Thank you.

15538
09:00:44,193 --> 09:00:44,794
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15539
09:00:44,794 --> 09:00:47,794
thank you so very much.

15540
09:00:51,340 --> 09:00:52,350
Next speaker, please.

15541
09:00:52,350 --> 09:00:54,350
>> Public Speaker: hello

15542
09:00:54,404 --> 09:00:56,404
everybody.

15543
09:01:02,345 --> 09:01:03,120
I am not your average joe, but

15544
09:01:03,120 --> 09:01:03,880
I am your average chris.

15545
09:01:03,880 --> 09:01:04,747
My name is chris griffin.

15546
09:01:04,747 --> 09:01:06,583
I am currently a coles

15547
09:01:06,583 --> 09:01:07,250
resident.

15548
09:01:07,250 --> 09:01:09,650
, 40+ year born and raised

15549
09:01:15,592 --> 09:01:15,857
print will end county

15550
09:01:15,857 --> 09:01:16,759
competent.

15551
09:01:16,759 --> 09:01:17,660
My parents raised me, went to

15552
09:01:17,660 --> 09:01:17,827
the school systems to show my

15553
09:01:17,827 --> 09:01:18,828
age.

15554
09:01:18,828 --> 09:01:20,196
I have a 22-year-old who still

15555
09:01:20,196 --> 09:01:23,233
lives with us, which is fine.

15556
09:01:23,233 --> 09:01:23,766
I was the first graduating

15557
09:01:23,766 --> 09:01:26,302
class of forest park high

15558
09:01:26,302 --> 09:01:29,302
school when it was brand-new.

15559
09:01:30,106 --> 09:01:32,106
Go bruins.

15560
09:01:36,713 --> 09:01:37,313
I grew up in montclair.

15561
09:01:37,313 --> 09:01:38,114
About that thanks to live in

15562
09:01:38,114 --> 09:01:38,748
most of the jurisdictions up

15563
09:01:38,748 --> 09:01:41,150
there I want to thank the

15564
09:01:41,150 --> 09:01:41,384
county supervisors

15565
09:01:41,384 --> 09:01:42,552
, county

15566
09:01:42,552 --> 09:01:44,952
attorney, and the county

15567
09:01:49,559 --> 09:01:51,559
executive.

15568
09:01:51,928 --> 09:01:52,562
I know you guys don't get

15569
09:01:52,562 --> 09:01:53,196
recognition often so thank you.

15570
09:01:53,196 --> 09:01:53,529
I passed by the horse farm for

15571
09:01:53,529 --> 09:01:55,529
a long time.

15572
09:01:57,934 --> 09:01:58,133
I took my wife there many

15573
09:01:58,133 --> 09:01:58,601
times.

15574
09:01:58,601 --> 09:01:59,680
Are small son.

15575
09:01:59,680 --> 09:01:59,869
It was a great time.

15576
09:01:59,869 --> 09:02:02,869
It's become a landmark for

15577
09:02:11,114 --> 09:02:11,814
prince william county.

15578
09:02:11,814 --> 09:02:12,815
But I want you to know.

15579
09:02:12,815 --> 09:02:13,416
I can hear the title and some

15580
09:02:13,416 --> 09:02:13,716
of the papers going something

15581
09:02:13,716 --> 09:02:14,617
like this.

15582
09:02:14,617 --> 09:02:14,851
County approves new rezoning

15583
09:02:14,851 --> 09:02:15,485
opening

15584
09:02:15,485 --> 09:02:16,190
for development but

15585
09:02:16,190 --> 09:02:18,190
wait, there's more.

15586
09:02:18,187 --> 09:02:20,890
New residents will get a

15587
09:02:20,890 --> 09:02:20,924
courtesy cut through

15588
09:02:20,924 --> 09:02:23,924
recommended for the police to

15589
09:02:23,959 --> 09:02:24,627
direct for hundreds of traffic,

15590
09:02:24,627 --> 09:02:25,461
but only on fridays.

15591
09:02:25,461 --> 09:02:25,595
Hoa clubhouse signage

15592
09:02:25,595 --> 09:02:27,595
.

15593
09:02:32,435 --> 09:02:33,690
Comes with us on fridays and

15594
09:02:33,690 --> 09:02:33,970
start traffic going past our

15595
09:02:33,970 --> 09:02:36,305
white picket fences what we

15596
09:02:36,305 --> 09:02:37,340
discussed dues and inspections.

15597
09:02:37,340 --> 09:02:37,974
By improving the rezoning your

15598
09:02:37,974 --> 09:02:40,374
opening pandora's box and

15599
09:02:40,843 --> 09:02:41,844
arrive over making prints

15600
09:02:41,844 --> 09:02:44,244
within county more unaffordable

15601
09:02:44,681 --> 09:02:45,481
for middle-class constituents.

15602
09:02:45,481 --> 09:02:46,282
A lot of people are not staying

15603
09:02:46,282 --> 09:02:46,381
and retiring

15604
09:02:46,381 --> 09:02:48,381
.

15605
09:02:49,185 --> 09:02:53,385
I have the luxury of being able

15606
09:02:53,423 --> 09:02:54,424
to work with a lot of people my

15607
09:02:54,424 --> 09:02:57,424
small business, some even in

15608
09:02:58,628 --> 09:02:58,861
the room has clients and old

15609
09:02:58,861 --> 09:02:59,494
friends.

15610
09:02:59,494 --> 09:03:00,263
It's a pitch.

15611
09:03:00,263 --> 09:03:00,697
You need to understand your

15612
09:03:00,697 --> 09:03:02,265
stats.

15613
09:03:02,265 --> 09:03:05,265
Sources are saying there are 75

15614
09:03:11,808 --> 09:03:12,775
undeveloped properties in

15615
09:03:12,775 --> 09:03:13,376
prince william county.

15616
09:03:13,376 --> 09:03:13,643
Thousand homes are currently

15617
09:03:13,643 --> 09:03:14,510
for sale.

15618
09:03:14,510 --> 09:03:15,577
There are approximately 1500

15619
09:03:15,577 --> 09:03:16,479
homes available for rent the.

15620
09:03:16,479 --> 09:03:20,679
I think we should focus on some

15621
09:03:21,117 --> 09:03:21,618
of that and try to make those

15622
09:03:21,618 --> 09:03:22,252
obtainable for existing

15623
09:03:22,252 --> 09:03:22,885
residents and encouraging them

15624
09:03:22,885 --> 09:03:23,418
to come in.

15625
09:03:23,418 --> 09:03:25,622
Average new house cost is

15626
09:03:25,622 --> 09:03:25,922
$600,000

15627
09:03:25,922 --> 09:03:26,856
.

15628
09:03:26,856 --> 09:03:30,456
We don't have an available home

15629
09:03:35,331 --> 09:03:36,650
option for some.

15630
09:03:36,650 --> 09:03:36,933
we don't have an availability,

15631
09:03:36,933 --> 09:03:37,700
in available home option.

15632
09:03:37,700 --> 09:03:38,468
We have an available

15633
09:03:38,468 --> 09:03:39,702
affordability option at the

15634
09:03:39,702 --> 09:03:39,969
cost of others in long-term

15635
09:03:39,969 --> 09:03:40,837
residence.

15636
09:03:40,837 --> 09:03:41,170
In regards to the young

15637
09:03:41,170 --> 09:03:43,170
gentleman up

15638
09:03:46,142 --> 09:03:47,760
here, 10 percent

15639
09:03:47,760 --> 09:03:47,777
of his age are going to be able

15640
09:03:47,777 --> 09:03:51,347
to afford of that magnitude on

15641
09:03:51,347 --> 09:03:51,981
a single income.

15642
09:03:51,981 --> 09:03:53,149
Since jr real estate comes from

15643
09:03:53,149 --> 09:03:55,549
fairfax, prince william county

15644
09:04:04,192 --> 09:04:04,827
is a land grab pick they are

15645
09:04:04,827 --> 09:04:05,728
experts, but you need to

15646
09:04:05,728 --> 09:04:06,763
understand everybody in the

15647
09:04:06,763 --> 09:04:07,230
room, we are experts up in

15648
09:04:07,230 --> 09:04:07,630
constituents and

15649
09:04:07,630 --> 09:04:08,297
residents of

15650
09:04:08,297 --> 09:04:08,965
prince william county.

15651
09:04:08,965 --> 09:04:09,699
You need to listen to us.

15652
09:04:09,699 --> 09:04:10,660
We are all here, it's late,

15653
09:04:10,660 --> 09:04:12,660
some

15654
09:04:12,168 --> 09:04:12,602
of us have work in the morning

15655
09:04:12,602 --> 09:04:13,200
, some of us don't.

15656
09:04:13,200 --> 09:04:15,200
Jr

15657
09:04:18,708 --> 09:04:19,375
specializes in entitlement

15658
09:04:19,375 --> 09:04:20,343
specializations include

15659
09:04:20,343 --> 09:04:22,743
rezoning, encumbrance and plan

15660
09:04:23,146 --> 09:04:24,147
amendments, special use permits

15661
09:04:24,147 --> 09:04:24,614
and subdivision and site

15662
09:04:24,614 --> 09:04:24,948
planning, by right

15663
09:04:24,948 --> 09:04:25,548
entitlements,

15664
09:04:25,548 --> 09:04:27,517
proffer amendments

15665
09:04:27,517 --> 09:04:28,318
.

15666
09:04:28,318 --> 09:04:31,654
Group acts as a bridge between

15667
09:04:31,654 --> 09:04:32,488
landowners national builders

15668
09:04:32,488 --> 09:04:35,488
taken the risk of entitlement

15669
09:04:39,429 --> 09:04:40,129
procedures before selling and

15670
09:04:40,129 --> 09:04:41,970
ready to build development.

15671
09:04:41,970 --> 09:04:41,698
Who knows what's going to

15672
09:04:41,698 --> 09:04:42,298
change once it goes through.

15673
09:04:42,298 --> 09:04:45,898
Time and time again we have

15674
09:04:49,572 --> 09:04:51,474
seen the estimated cost go

15675
09:04:51,474 --> 09:04:52,108
higher and higher from what

15676
09:04:52,108 --> 09:04:52,742
staff originally tells you what

15677
09:04:52,742 --> 09:04:53,243
developers or buyers would tell

15678
09:04:53,243 --> 09:04:53,910
you it's going to cost.

15679
09:04:53,910 --> 09:04:55,278
We have seen that time and time

15680
09:04:55,278 --> 09:04:56,945
again where you've been

15681
09:04:56,945 --> 09:04:57,647
misinformed or you have been

15682
09:04:57,647 --> 09:04:58,248
lied to.

15683
09:04:58,248 --> 09:05:00,648
Whether on purpose or

15684
09:05:01,851 --> 09:05:01,918
indirectly, I don't know

15685
09:05:01,918 --> 09:05:03,918
.

15686
09:05:04,554 --> 09:05:07,554
Let's find actual local prince

15687
09:05:07,824 --> 09:05:08,523
william county groups

15688
09:05:08,523 --> 09:05:09,492
developers to work for our own

15689
09:05:09,492 --> 09:05:13,920
area and build our own area.

15690
09:05:13,830 --> 09:05:14,430
Support local businesses to do

15691
09:05:14,430 --> 09:05:16,332
the bidding for you.

15692
09:05:16,332 --> 09:05:19,332
I enjoy being a long-term

15693
09:05:20,570 --> 09:05:24,170
resident and I think because we

15694
09:05:24,507 --> 09:05:25,575
all know the situation for the

15695
09:05:25,575 --> 09:05:26,442
current course farm, there's a

15696
09:05:26,442 --> 09:05:26,776
lot of smart people in the

15697
09:05:26,776 --> 09:05:27,543
county.

15698
09:05:27,543 --> 09:05:31,743
If it is something that is one

15699
09:05:32,649 --> 09:05:33,383
to do, I think the county board

15700
09:05:33,383 --> 09:05:34,550
and people in the area should

15701
09:05:34,550 --> 09:05:38,150
come together and help the farm

15702
09:05:42,580 --> 09:05:42,792
owner if they want to stay and

15703
09:05:42,792 --> 09:05:43,459
allow her to stay and afford

15704
09:05:43,459 --> 09:05:44,294
where she is at and take care

15705
09:05:44,294 --> 09:05:45,295
of the horses rather than

15706
09:05:45,295 --> 09:05:47,960
selling it to a community

15707
09:05:47,960 --> 09:05:47,830
developer.

15708
09:05:47,830 --> 09:05:50,990
Or find somebody who will buy

15709
09:05:50,990 --> 09:05:50,867
it and keep it as a horse farm.

15710
09:05:50,867 --> 09:05:52,535
This a lot of people involved

15711
09:05:52,535 --> 09:05:54,704
in the county were smart and

15712
09:05:54,704 --> 09:05:54,938
willing and able to do that

15713
09:05:54,938 --> 09:05:55,705
.

15714
09:05:55,705 --> 09:05:59,175
I know you can find somebody to

15715
09:05:59,175 --> 09:05:59,842
do that rather than building

15716
09:05:59,842 --> 09:06:02,242
and building and building

15717
09:06:02,612 --> 09:06:02,912
piglets make things more

15718
09:06:02,912 --> 09:06:04,130
affordable.

15719
09:06:04,130 --> 09:06:06,413
I appreciate everyone's time.

15720
09:06:09,619 --> 09:06:10,286
Thank you so much for being

15721
09:06:10,286 --> 09:06:11,187
here and I hope we can come

15722
09:06:11,187 --> 09:06:13,556
together now that we all know

15723
09:06:13,556 --> 09:06:14,223
what's happening.

15724
09:06:14,223 --> 09:06:17,823
It's a historic, I'm going to

15725
09:06:19,996 --> 09:06:20,563
say historic landmark.

15726
09:06:20,563 --> 09:06:21,640
And remember it as a kid.

15727
09:06:21,640 --> 09:06:21,463
I loved it.

15728
09:06:21,463 --> 09:06:21,631
Hate to see it

15729
09:06:21,631 --> 09:06:22,465
go.

15730
09:06:22,465 --> 09:06:24,867
i don't think people will be

15731
09:06:24,867 --> 09:06:25,568
happy about watching traffic

15732
09:06:25,568 --> 09:06:26,236
come through a new subdivision

15733
09:06:26,236 --> 09:06:28,171
only on fridays

15734
09:06:28,171 --> 09:06:30,171
.

15735
09:06:32,542 --> 09:06:33,543
Thank you.

15736
09:06:33,543 --> 09:06:35,543
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15737
09:06:37,580 --> 09:06:38,581
next speaker, please.

15738
09:06:38,581 --> 09:06:40,581
>> Public Speaker: good

15739
09:06:42,185 --> 09:06:44,185
evening.

15740
09:06:45,880 --> 09:06:46,122
I live in neabsco district.

15741
09:06:46,122 --> 09:06:49,722
I've been living there for more

15742
09:06:51,261 --> 09:06:51,561
than 15 years

15743
09:06:51,561 --> 09:06:52,262
.

15744
09:06:52,262 --> 09:06:53,129
We always think me and my wife

15745
09:06:53,129 --> 09:06:55,980
and two beautiful kids always

15746
09:06:55,980 --> 09:06:58,980
thinking to relocate to this

15747
09:07:03,373 --> 09:07:03,606
area because we attend dar

15748
09:07:03,606 --> 09:07:04,440
alnoor.

15749
09:07:04,440 --> 09:07:05,975
We always bring kids here in

15750
09:07:05,975 --> 09:07:08,975
prince william county to sport

15751
09:07:12,147 --> 09:07:14,450
activity running and we always

15752
09:07:14,450 --> 09:07:17,450
have a challenge finding the

15753
09:07:19,789 --> 09:07:21,658
community center as well in the

15754
09:07:21,658 --> 09:07:23,560
area.

15755
09:07:23,560 --> 09:07:27,760
I can spend time with my kids

15756
09:07:30,660 --> 09:07:31,340
doing sport activity.

15757
09:07:31,340 --> 09:07:34,340
And also looking for affordable

15758
09:07:35,872 --> 09:07:39,472
housing here and I am here

15759
09:07:42,412 --> 09:07:43,112
tonight to support the

15760
09:07:43,112 --> 09:07:46,712
department and I want to thank

15761
09:07:48,251 --> 09:07:49,252
you as well.

15762
09:07:49,252 --> 09:07:50,353
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15763
09:07:50,353 --> 09:07:53,353
thank you so very much.

15764
09:07:54,423 --> 09:07:54,857
Do we have anyone online

15765
09:07:54,857 --> 09:07:55,825
.

15766
09:07:55,825 --> 09:07:56,658
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

15767
09:07:56,658 --> 09:07:57,327
let's check and see.

15768
09:07:57,327 --> 09:07:57,527
Do we have anyone online,

15769
09:07:57,527 --> 09:07:59,527
chris?

15770
09:08:00,230 --> 09:08:01,564
>> the one person we did have

15771
09:08:01,564 --> 09:08:03,433
online has dropped out.

15772
09:08:03,433 --> 09:08:05,802
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

15773
09:08:05,802 --> 09:08:06,803
okay.

15774
09:08:06,803 --> 09:08:08,371
Incorporated you for your

15775
09:08:08,371 --> 09:08:08,871
assistance.

15776
09:08:08,871 --> 09:08:11,271
Have a good night.

15777
09:08:11,441 --> 09:08:13,343
Back to you, MADAM Chair.

15778
09:08:13,343 --> 09:08:15,343
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15779
09:08:18,414 --> 09:08:19,415
thank you so very much.

15780
09:08:19,415 --> 09:08:20,160
i'm going to close the public

15781
09:08:20,160 --> 09:08:23,160
hearing for agenda items 13 b

15782
09:08:23,486 --> 09:08:24,921
and sc

15783
09:08:24,921 --> 09:08:25,622
.

15784
09:08:25,622 --> 09:08:26,456
I would like the applicant and

15785
09:08:26,456 --> 09:08:29,626
staff to be prepared to ask

15786
09:08:29,626 --> 09:08:30,493
additional questions based off

15787
09:08:30,493 --> 09:08:30,994
of what they heard and I do

15788
09:08:30,994 --> 09:08:31,628
have a question for the

15789
09:08:31,628 --> 09:08:33,628
applicant.

15790
09:08:44,507 --> 09:08:45,508
If you can come up.

15791
09:08:45,508 --> 09:08:46,276
We have heard doctor jack had

15792
09:08:46,276 --> 09:08:47,210
asked for a courtesy review.

15793
09:08:47,210 --> 09:08:47,510
I would also like to see one in

15794
09:08:47,510 --> 09:08:48,511
medco.

15795
09:08:48,511 --> 09:08:51,511
Is that something applicant is

15796
09:08:57,653 --> 09:08:57,987
willing to do?

15797
09:08:57,987 --> 09:08:59,923
>> yes.

15798
09:08:59,923 --> 09:09:01,190
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15799
09:09:01,190 --> 09:09:01,757
I guess this is for staff.

15800
09:09:01,757 --> 09:09:02,124
We have been hearing a lot

15801
09:09:02,124 --> 09:09:02,725
about identity.

15802
09:09:02,725 --> 09:09:03,590
There was a mention

15803
09:09:03,590 --> 09:09:03,625
for maple

15804
09:09:03,625 --> 09:09:03,893
valley grove that was more

15805
09:09:03,893 --> 09:09:04,627
suburban.

15806
09:09:04,627 --> 09:09:05,194
When I think of identity I

15807
09:09:05,194 --> 09:09:05,628
think of the mark of

15808
09:09:05,628 --> 09:09:06,262
alexandria.

15809
09:09:06,262 --> 09:09:08,640
That's a very dense, urban

15810
09:09:08,640 --> 09:09:09,332
multifamily

15811
09:09:09,332 --> 09:09:10,300
.

15812
09:09:10,300 --> 09:09:11,301
What is the difference if you

15813
09:09:11,301 --> 09:09:12,535
can say between suburban high

15814
09:09:12,535 --> 09:09:13,536
density.

15815
09:09:13,536 --> 09:09:14,537
How would you define the

15816
09:09:14,537 --> 09:09:16,537
difference.

15817
09:09:20,510 --> 09:09:20,977
>> can look at the

15818
09:09:20,977 --> 09:09:21,144
comprehensive plan.

15819
09:09:21,144 --> 09:09:22,344
E have

15820
09:09:22,344 --> 09:09:24,344
six categories.

15821
09:09:24,347 --> 09:09:28,547
The top is the one that can

15822
09:09:33,756 --> 09:09:34,591
support the highest level of

15823
09:09:34,591 --> 09:09:35,592
transit which is our

15824
09:09:35,592 --> 09:09:36,292
high-capacity transit like our

15825
09:09:36,292 --> 09:09:37,930
vre stations in the sixes 100+

15826
09:09:37,930 --> 09:09:39,493
dwelling units per acre.

15827
09:09:41,331 --> 09:09:44,331
The next category is 5 to 50

15828
09:09:47,237 --> 09:09:50,273
and per bus rapid transit or

15829
09:09:50,273 --> 09:09:53,273
some other kind of transit.

15830
09:09:54,244 --> 09:09:55,111
and so at the transit service

15831
09:09:55,111 --> 09:09:57,800
level goes down, the density

15832
09:09:57,800 --> 09:09:59,800
goes down.

15833
09:09:59,449 --> 09:10:02,510
We are talking about three,

15834
09:10:02,510 --> 09:10:05,510
which is a suburban moderate

15835
09:10:08,291 --> 09:10:10,691
density that doesn't need

15836
09:10:10,894 --> 09:10:13,294
intense transit for service.

15837
09:10:14,731 --> 09:10:15,265
It doesn't support with

15838
09:10:15,265 --> 09:10:17,265
high-capacity transit.

15839
09:10:20,970 --> 09:10:21,571
And so it is not high density

15840
09:10:21,571 --> 09:10:23,571
.

15841
09:10:24,240 --> 09:10:26,442
I would say hi density our

15842
09:10:26,442 --> 09:10:27,443
transect five and six.

15843
09:10:27,443 --> 09:10:28,244
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15844
09:10:28,244 --> 09:10:30,244
supervisor boddye.

15845
09:10:30,813 --> 09:10:33,813
>> Kenny Boddye: dave, don't go

15846
09:10:34,817 --> 09:10:35,485
too far.

15847
09:10:35,485 --> 09:10:36,850
There's been talk about the

15848
09:10:36,850 --> 09:10:36,719
line of where it should

15849
09:10:36,719 --> 09:10:37,420
start,

15850
09:10:37,420 --> 09:10:40,420
where it shouldn't start, what

15851
09:10:41,357 --> 09:10:41,791
tributaries and waterways it

15852
09:10:41,791 --> 09:10:43,326
feeds to.

15853
09:10:43,326 --> 09:10:43,927
There's a discussion about the

15854
09:10:43,927 --> 09:10:47,527
body of water on the frontage

15855
09:10:51,200 --> 09:10:51,935
of the horse farm right now.

15856
09:10:51,935 --> 09:10:52,902
Could you talk about that and

15857
09:10:52,902 --> 09:10:53,803
from a planners perspective

15858
09:10:53,803 --> 09:10:54,537
where the lines are drawn what

15859
09:10:54,537 --> 09:10:54,837
that means and larger

15860
09:10:54,837 --> 09:10:56,837
perspective?

15861
09:11:01,100 --> 09:11:03,410
>> first the comprehensive plan

15862
09:11:03,546 --> 09:11:05,140
is a guide it.

15863
09:11:05,140 --> 09:11:07,917
We would like to use a big fat

15864
09:11:07,917 --> 09:11:10,653
crayon to draw those lines.

15865
09:11:10,653 --> 09:11:11,287
Since we use a computer to draw

15866
09:11:11,287 --> 09:11:14,424
them they end up being much

15867
09:11:14,424 --> 09:11:16,659
more precise then we intend

15868
09:11:16,659 --> 09:11:18,659
them to be.

15869
09:11:18,962 --> 09:11:21,164
But generally the orpa line was

15870
09:11:21,164 --> 09:11:21,731
following the watershed line we

15871
09:11:21,731 --> 09:11:23,731
had mapped.

15872
09:11:23,967 --> 09:11:25,501
We have that map

15873
09:11:25,501 --> 09:11:27,537
for the whole county.

15874
09:11:27,537 --> 09:11:29,537
Different watersheds and

15875
09:11:31,740 --> 09:11:33,740
subwatersheds.

15876
09:11:34,210 --> 09:11:36,312
Those were developed on usgs

15877
09:11:36,312 --> 09:11:38,312
quad topo topography.

15878
09:11:44,921 --> 09:11:45,888
Those are not super accurate

15879
09:11:45,888 --> 09:11:47,390
and we always want those things

15880
09:11:47,390 --> 09:11:48,240
to be field verified at the

15881
09:11:48,240 --> 09:11:48,258
site plan when they come down

15882
09:11:48,258 --> 09:11:49,459
to it.

15883
09:11:49,459 --> 09:11:51,361
Where the real line is for the

15884
09:11:51,361 --> 09:11:53,863
watershed really needs to be

15885
09:11:53,863 --> 09:11:56,863
determined at a later date.

15886
09:11:57,400 --> 09:12:02,200
That's why I say we use a big

15887
09:12:04,274 --> 09:12:05,108
crayon and we use it as a guide

15888
09:12:05,108 --> 09:12:05,775
and not as a precise

15889
09:12:05,775 --> 09:12:06,420
measurement is not the best way

15890
09:12:06,420 --> 09:12:08,420
to use it.

15891
09:12:08,211 --> 09:12:11,211
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you for

15892
09:12:13,616 --> 09:12:15,180
that did the applicant want to

15893
09:12:15,180 --> 09:12:15,585
add anything to that piece

15894
09:12:15,585 --> 09:12:16,251
based on their own findings?

15895
09:12:16,251 --> 09:12:16,419
Hey were looking at the site

15896
09:12:16,419 --> 09:12:18,419
and

15897
09:12:19,188 --> 09:12:21,188
analysis.

15898
09:12:21,624 --> 09:12:22,292
>> yes.

15899
09:12:22,292 --> 09:12:24,692
So the applicant actually

15900
09:12:25,895 --> 09:12:29,495
looked at the county map and

15901
09:12:31,467 --> 09:12:32,402
looked at what dcr has on their

15902
09:12:32,402 --> 09:12:36,200
map and ultimately it would be

15903
09:12:48,284 --> 09:12:49,285
field verified.

15904
09:12:49,285 --> 09:12:51,321
To the left is prince william

15905
09:12:51,321 --> 09:12:54,321
county watershed map onto the

15906
09:12:55,825 --> 09:12:59,425
right is the dcr a watershed

15907
09:13:00,964 --> 09:13:01,163
map so this is the amount

15908
09:13:01,163 --> 09:13:02,131
.

15909
09:13:02,131 --> 09:13:04,801
There this a more updated and

15910
09:13:04,801 --> 09:13:06,803
accurate then prince william

15911
09:13:06,803 --> 09:13:07,700
county mapper

15912
09:13:07,700 --> 09:13:09,700
.

15913
09:13:09,138 --> 09:13:13,938
If you look at the map, it goes

15914
09:13:15,845 --> 09:13:16,279
like this

15915
09:13:16,279 --> 09:13:17,130
.

15916
09:13:17,130 --> 09:13:17,914
It was hard to see so what we

15917
09:13:17,914 --> 09:13:19,649
did was we mapped it ourselves

15918
09:13:19,649 --> 09:13:20,950
using the county percentage

15919
09:13:20,950 --> 09:13:22,950
.

15920
09:13:26,623 --> 09:13:29,623
And so county mapper has 10

15921
09:13:29,893 --> 09:13:32,893
acres going to neabsco creek.

15922
09:13:33,963 --> 09:13:36,666
The dcr malpass 12 acres going

15923
09:13:36,666 --> 09:13:37,432
to the neabsco creek.

15924
09:13:37,432 --> 09:13:39,432
Our environmental consultant

15925
09:13:40,370 --> 09:13:42,500
that the review of what would

15926
09:13:42,500 --> 09:13:45,275
be required at the sign of site

15927
09:13:45,275 --> 09:13:48,275
plan and determine is probably

15928
09:13:50,580 --> 09:13:51,247
2 to 3 percent more going to

15929
09:13:51,247 --> 09:13:52,749
neabsco that would be verified

15930
09:13:52,749 --> 09:13:53,683
at the time a site plan and

15931
09:13:53,683 --> 09:13:56,683
submitted to the county for

15932
09:13:58,754 --> 09:13:59,722
review.

15933
09:13:59,722 --> 09:14:01,722
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

15934
09:14:01,724 --> 09:14:03,724
supervisor vega?

15935
09:14:10,633 --> 09:14:10,833
>> Yesli Vega: follow-up for

15936
09:14:10,833 --> 09:14:11,768
dave.

15937
09:14:11,768 --> 09:14:12,669
Winded that county discovered

15938
09:14:12,669 --> 09:14:15,669
these lines aren't, and they

15939
09:14:17,273 --> 09:14:18,274
quote, super accurate?

15940
09:14:18,274 --> 09:14:20,810
>> I don't know what you mean

15941
09:14:20,810 --> 09:14:21,511
by discovered.

15942
09:14:21,511 --> 09:14:22,412
>> Yesli Vega: this is the

15943
09:14:22,412 --> 09:14:23,146
first time I've heard about

15944
09:14:23,146 --> 09:14:25,146
this.

15945
09:14:26,115 --> 09:14:28,515
>> the applicant brought that

15946
09:14:31,687 --> 09:14:32,589
to our attention last week.

15947
09:14:32,589 --> 09:14:33,256
>> Yesli Vega: the applicant

15948
09:14:33,256 --> 09:14:36,256
brought it to her attention

15949
09:14:37,961 --> 09:14:38,728
last week and now the position

15950
09:14:38,728 --> 09:14:39,862
is lines are not super

15951
09:14:39,862 --> 09:14:41,862
accurate?

15952
09:14:45,100 --> 09:14:47,100
Got it.

15953
09:14:52,275 --> 09:14:53,276
I have a question for jonelle.

15954
09:14:53,276 --> 09:14:53,910
When did the commercial

15955
09:14:53,910 --> 09:14:56,910
component get added in the

15956
09:15:00,149 --> 09:15:02,149
process?

15957
09:15:05,955 --> 09:15:06,256
>> I believe it was the third

15958
09:15:06,256 --> 09:15:07,560
submission.

15959
09:15:07,560 --> 09:15:08,240
>> Yesli Vega: it was that

15960
09:15:08,240 --> 09:15:08,958
before or after the request and

15961
09:15:08,958 --> 09:15:10,126
what was the reason for it

15962
09:15:10,126 --> 09:15:12,126
again?

15963
09:15:14,631 --> 09:15:15,265
>> the zoning ordinances when

15964
09:15:15,265 --> 09:15:18,865
you have a pmr over 50 acres

15965
09:15:19,235 --> 09:15:21,137
you have to provide an area of

15966
09:15:21,137 --> 09:15:21,738
nonresidential

15967
09:15:21,738 --> 09:15:23,738
.

15968
09:15:24,390 --> 09:15:27,639
With the commercial area in the

15969
09:15:30,613 --> 09:15:32,613
pmr district

15970
09:15:32,682 --> 09:15:33,283
, the only area

15971
09:15:33,283 --> 09:15:34,183
permitted is b3.

15972
09:15:34,183 --> 09:15:36,583
We understand the encumbrance

15973
09:15:41,791 --> 09:15:42,659
of blame when we look at zoning

15974
09:15:42,659 --> 09:15:42,992
designations they have it is

15975
09:15:42,992 --> 09:15:43,459
implementing.

15976
09:15:43,459 --> 09:15:44,661
The pmr district the

15977
09:15:44,661 --> 09:15:45,295
implementing commercial is b3

15978
09:15:45,295 --> 09:15:46,290
and thus the least intense

15979
09:15:46,290 --> 09:15:48,290
commercial use.

15980
09:15:49,320 --> 09:15:52,168
but we do commit to doing is

15981
09:15:52,168 --> 09:15:53,670
the area is specifically says

15982
09:15:53,670 --> 09:15:53,836
the use, the residential

15983
09:15:53,836 --> 09:15:55,836
, the

15984
09:15:58,474 --> 09:16:00,677
home should remain as a

15985
09:16:00,677 --> 09:16:02,677
residential use

15986
09:16:04,213 --> 09:16:04,914
.

15987
09:16:04,914 --> 09:16:07,914
This remains as a residential

15988
09:16:08,785 --> 09:16:09,685
use and this is the b3 areas of

15989
09:16:09,685 --> 09:16:13,285
the lost creek folks have the

15990
09:16:13,556 --> 09:16:14,657
residential use remains in me

15991
09:16:14,657 --> 09:16:17,657
of the buffers and undisturbed

15992
09:16:19,295 --> 09:16:20,630
open space area.

15993
09:16:20,630 --> 09:16:23,630
>> Yesli Vega: you are saying

15994
09:16:23,366 --> 09:16:24,670
it is a need to?

15995
09:16:24,670 --> 09:16:28,267
I don't know dave if you want

15996
09:16:30,573 --> 09:16:31,174
to come up.

15997
09:16:31,174 --> 09:16:32,750
I'm struggling with this

15998
09:16:32,750 --> 09:16:33,760
because the staff report

15999
09:16:33,760 --> 09:16:34,143
highlights the addition of

16000
09:16:34,143 --> 09:16:36,543
commercial use is incompatible

16001
09:16:37,247 --> 09:16:37,880
with the designation.

16002
09:16:37,880 --> 09:16:41,480
We don't know what type of

16003
09:16:41,884 --> 09:16:42,850
commercial development has

16004
09:16:42,850 --> 09:16:42,885
come.

16005
09:16:42,885 --> 09:16:47,850
We have been given a list of

16006
09:16:50,360 --> 09:16:51,600
potentials, but it adds to the

16007
09:16:51,600 --> 09:16:54,300
discussion of what is going to

16008
09:16:54,300 --> 09:16:56,132
be thrown into the reservoir.

16009
09:16:56,132 --> 09:16:58,968
So I am a little confused.

16010
09:16:58,968 --> 09:17:01,968
Can you help clarify my

16011
09:17:04,207 --> 09:17:06,207
confusion?

16012
09:17:08,311 --> 09:17:10,580
>> some of that area is being

16013
09:17:10,580 --> 09:17:13,483
changed to mu3 but some of that

16014
09:17:13,483 --> 09:17:15,318
area was not in the initiated

16015
09:17:15,318 --> 09:17:15,451
comprehensive plan amendment

16016
09:17:15,451 --> 09:17:17,451
.

16017
09:17:25,695 --> 09:17:26,296
That is why it doesn't reflect

16018
09:17:26,296 --> 09:17:26,963
the orpa.

16019
09:17:26,963 --> 09:17:27,697
It's not going to be changed by

16020
09:17:27,697 --> 09:17:28,631
the comprehensive plan

16021
09:17:28,631 --> 09:17:31,310
amendment because it wasn't

16022
09:17:33,436 --> 09:17:34,103
included in the original

16023
09:17:34,103 --> 09:17:35,380
property boundary we use to

16024
09:17:35,380 --> 09:17:37,438
initiate the comprehensive plan

16025
09:17:38,700 --> 09:17:38,575
amendment and we can't change

16026
09:17:38,575 --> 09:17:40,143
what was initiated.

16027
09:17:40,143 --> 09:17:42,143
Therefore

16028
09:17:42,679 --> 09:17:45,679
that remains a orpa and

16029
09:17:48,551 --> 09:17:51,287
therefore cobra analyzed it as

16030
09:17:51,287 --> 09:17:54,287
if it was still orpa.

16031
09:17:59,796 --> 09:18:00,730
>> Yesli Vega: talking about

16032
09:18:00,730 --> 09:18:01,530
the and faxed to school,

16033
09:18:01,530 --> 09:18:02,565
hounded we calculate the

16034
09:18:02,565 --> 09:18:04,565
monetary contributions?

16035
09:18:06,236 --> 09:18:06,368
What formula

16036
09:18:06,368 --> 09:18:08,368
.

16037
09:18:08,905 --> 09:18:11,905
How did we land 490 SEPTEMBER

16038
09:18:15,445 --> 09:18:16,145
06, 2020 I believe?

16039
09:18:16,145 --> 09:18:17,460
>> as part of the application

16040
09:18:17,460 --> 09:18:17,313
you have to do a proper impact

16041
09:18:17,313 --> 09:18:19,148
analysis

16042
09:18:19,148 --> 09:18:21,148
.

16043
09:18:24,254 --> 09:18:25,188
The state code says you can

16044
09:18:25,188 --> 09:18:26,456
only mitigate your inbox via

16045
09:18:26,456 --> 09:18:28,456
monetary contributions for

16046
09:18:31,827 --> 09:18:32,228
schools, fire and rescue

16047
09:18:32,228 --> 09:18:32,896
,

16048
09:18:32,896 --> 09:18:33,863
police, parks and recreation.

16049
09:18:33,863 --> 09:18:36,733
It also says if there is not a

16050
09:18:36,733 --> 09:18:39,802
plan in the cip to address the

16051
09:18:39,802 --> 09:18:40,670
lack of something so if there's

16052
09:18:40,670 --> 09:18:44,870
not a plan to address the lack

16053
09:18:45,775 --> 09:18:46,643
of schools or new school coming

16054
09:18:46,643 --> 09:18:47,443
online you don't mitigate your

16055
09:18:47,443 --> 09:18:47,677
impacts

16056
09:18:47,677 --> 09:18:49,677
.

16057
09:18:51,381 --> 09:18:52,140
That is basically see one

16058
09:18:52,140 --> 09:18:53,750
ticket then says he can look

16059
09:18:53,750 --> 09:18:54,284
and offer what the developer

16060
09:18:54,284 --> 09:18:56,284
sees as reasonable.

16061
09:18:56,519 --> 09:18:58,519
Where to

16062
09:19:02,124 --> 09:19:02,625
company that does the proper

16063
09:19:02,625 --> 09:19:03,359
impact analysis.

16064
09:19:03,359 --> 09:19:06,959
They look at the number of

16065
09:19:19,442 --> 09:19:20,809
schools and they do their

16066
09:19:20,809 --> 09:19:21,444
calculation in order to tell us

16067
09:19:21,444 --> 09:19:22,378
what is a reasonable amount for

16068
09:19:22,378 --> 09:19:23,146
the monetary level of service

16069
09:19:23,146 --> 09:19:23,613
and that's how we came up with

16070
09:19:23,613 --> 09:19:24,480
that number.

16071
09:19:24,480 --> 09:19:25,415
>> Yesli Vega: I'm not going to

16072
09:19:25,415 --> 09:19:26,415
ding the applicant for that

16073
09:19:26,415 --> 09:19:27,417
because I don't think it's

16074
09:19:27,417 --> 09:19:29,510
appropriate but it is in their

16075
09:19:29,510 --> 09:19:29,619
fine example of poor planning

16076
09:19:29,619 --> 09:19:30,486
and moving projects without

16077
09:19:30,486 --> 09:19:31,421
addressing underlying issues.

16078
09:19:31,421 --> 09:19:32,880
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16079
09:19:32,880 --> 09:19:32,589
does anyone else have any

16080
09:19:32,589 --> 09:19:34,570
additional questions?

16081
09:19:34,570 --> 09:19:34,656
Thank you so much.

16082
09:19:34,656 --> 09:19:37,560
With that, supervisor boddye.

16083
09:19:37,160 --> 09:19:37,860
>> Kenny Boddye: it is my

16084
09:19:37,860 --> 09:19:40,260
understanding that some folks

16085
09:19:41,864 --> 09:19:42,732
MAY feel differently and so I'm

16086
09:19:42,732 --> 09:19:46,332
going to do them separately of

16087
09:19:52,208 --> 09:19:53,142
folks don't mind.

16088
09:19:53,142 --> 09:19:54,244
I move 13 b for approval.

16089
09:19:54,244 --> 09:19:54,510
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16090
09:19:54,510 --> 09:19:55,278
all right.

16091
09:19:55,278 --> 09:19:55,545
It has been properly moved and

16092
09:19:55,545 --> 09:19:56,212
seconded.

16093
09:19:56,212 --> 09:19:57,814
Any discussion on this?

16094
09:19:57,814 --> 09:19:58,481
Upervisor vega?

16095
09:19:58,481 --> 09:20:00,183
>> Yesli Vega: since you

16096
09:20:00,183 --> 09:20:00,416
offered, why not.

16097
09:20:00,416 --> 09:20:02,416
Why not.

16098
09:20:04,586 --> 09:20:05,255
Here we are again.

16099
09:20:05,255 --> 09:20:06,122
The door has been opened and

16100
09:20:06,122 --> 09:20:07,123
it's not going to be closed and

16101
09:20:07,123 --> 09:20:11,323
I want you to remember this for

16102
09:20:11,628 --> 09:20:12,629
those who are pro and against.

16103
09:20:12,629 --> 09:20:13,329
This is the standard being set

16104
09:20:13,329 --> 09:20:16,266
by the majority who decides to

16105
09:20:16,266 --> 09:20:16,966
vote for this project.

16106
09:20:16,966 --> 09:20:19,366
For the cpa initiation.

16107
09:20:23,973 --> 09:20:24,908
I will reserve my comments for

16108
09:20:24,908 --> 09:20:25,140
the rezoning that is about to

16109
09:20:25,140 --> 09:20:26,409
follow.

16110
09:20:26,409 --> 09:20:27,343
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16111
09:20:27,343 --> 09:20:27,610
does anyone else have any

16112
09:20:27,610 --> 09:20:27,877
comments?

16113
09:20:27,877 --> 09:20:28,478
All right.

16114
09:20:28,478 --> 09:20:31,470
I would like to call for the

16115
09:20:31,470 --> 09:20:33,470
vote.

16116
09:20:46,563 --> 09:20:47,130
>> thank you supervisor angry.

16117
09:20:47,130 --> 09:20:48,640
>> motion passes 6/2

16118
09:20:48,640 --> 09:20:48,330
supervisors gordy and vega

16119
09:20:48,330 --> 09:20:50,990
voting no.

16120
09:20:50,990 --> 09:20:52,101
>> Kenny Boddye: if you don't

16121
09:20:52,101 --> 09:20:52,368
mind I also move 13c for

16122
09:20:52,368 --> 09:20:53,937
approval.

16123
09:20:53,937 --> 09:20:55,937
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16124
09:20:58,775 --> 09:20:59,420
13c has been moved and

16125
09:20:59,420 --> 09:20:59,842
seconded.

16126
09:20:59,842 --> 09:21:00,309
I see supervisor boddye, you

16127
09:21:00,309 --> 09:21:02,309
are first.

16128
09:21:04,347 --> 09:21:05,315
>> Kenny Boddye: one, wanted to

16129
09:21:05,315 --> 09:21:05,715
thank all the residents who

16130
09:21:05,715 --> 09:21:07,715
came out tonight.

16131
09:21:08,618 --> 09:21:08,818
I know it has been a long

16132
09:21:08,818 --> 09:21:09,485
night.

16133
09:21:09,485 --> 09:21:10,453
It is now morning.

16134
09:21:10,453 --> 09:21:12,853
Welcome the wednesday morning

16135
09:21:12,855 --> 09:21:13,556
everyone.

16136
09:21:13,556 --> 09:21:14,190
Want to think staff of the work

16137
09:21:14,190 --> 09:21:16,590
they have done this.

16138
09:21:17,159 --> 09:21:18,270
I know we have gone through a

16139
09:21:18,270 --> 09:21:20,427
long journey with this.

16140
09:21:20,463 --> 09:21:20,830
As was said before

16141
09:21:20,830 --> 09:21:21,698
, you went

16142
09:21:21,698 --> 09:21:25,298
and did the work anyone above

16143
09:21:25,335 --> 09:21:26,336
and beyond the applicant.

16144
09:21:26,336 --> 09:21:29,936
Iterated to, he went to the

16145
09:21:30,973 --> 09:21:31,975
community, you came back.

16146
09:21:31,975 --> 09:21:32,976
From where is started and where

16147
09:21:32,976 --> 09:21:36,576
we are now, and a 35 percent

16148
09:21:40,817 --> 09:21:41,117
reduction from your first

16149
09:21:41,117 --> 09:21:42,318
submission.

16150
09:21:42,318 --> 09:21:43,190
Not only did you lower the unit

16151
09:21:43,190 --> 09:21:44,120
themselves, he lowered the

16152
09:21:44,120 --> 09:21:44,921
intensity of their multifamily

16153
09:21:44,921 --> 09:21:48,521
units, you have a lot of

16154
09:21:49,920 --> 09:21:49,859
denser units and now we are at

16155
09:21:49,859 --> 09:21:52,859
a much more suburban type

16156
09:21:53,496 --> 09:21:54,497
development that keeps a lot

16157
09:21:54,497 --> 09:21:55,565
more with the community asked

16158
09:21:55,565 --> 09:21:57,565
for.

16159
09:21:58,334 --> 09:21:59,335
I also wanted to commend you

16160
09:21:59,335 --> 09:22:00,336
for offering at various times

16161
09:22:00,336 --> 09:22:02,805
trying to figure out ways to

16162
09:22:02,805 --> 09:22:04,507
mitigate other issues you had

16163
09:22:04,507 --> 09:22:07,760
no control over and you didn't

16164
09:22:07,760 --> 09:22:07,710
necessarily have a play into.

16165
09:22:07,710 --> 09:22:08,578
You have that initial

16166
09:22:08,578 --> 09:22:09,946
connection that wanted to give

16167
09:22:09,946 --> 09:22:13,816
them another way to get out and

16168
09:22:13,816 --> 09:22:16,185
turn left without having to sit

16169
09:22:16,185 --> 09:22:18,321
there that they're one way in

16170
09:22:18,321 --> 09:22:18,955
and out.

16171
09:22:18,955 --> 09:22:20,423
I know that we had a joint

16172
09:22:20,423 --> 09:22:20,623
community event with them

16173
09:22:20,623 --> 09:22:22,623
, they

16174
09:22:22,959 --> 09:22:24,794
rejected that and so you moved

16175
09:22:24,794 --> 09:22:24,894
on from that

16176
09:22:24,894 --> 09:22:26,894
.

16177
09:22:32,869 --> 09:22:33,570
I wanted to thank the community

16178
09:22:33,570 --> 09:22:34,300
continuing to meet with me in

16179
09:22:34,300 --> 09:22:35,380
my office.

16180
09:22:35,380 --> 09:22:35,872
we had quite a few different

16181
09:22:35,872 --> 09:22:38,272
meetings around the proposal

16182
09:22:43,780 --> 09:22:44,514
and we heard you.

16183
09:22:44,514 --> 09:22:45,448
I do not see this as a death of

16184
09:22:45,448 --> 09:22:45,748
a thousand cuts as has been

16185
09:22:45,748 --> 09:22:46,783
remarked.

16186
09:22:46,783 --> 09:22:47,951
I see this is a bridge linking

16187
09:22:47,951 --> 09:22:48,885
existing residential religious

16188
09:22:48,885 --> 09:22:49,819
uses to major employment center

16189
09:22:49,819 --> 09:22:51,487
in the government complex.

16190
09:22:51,487 --> 09:22:54,487
Infill protects more land, not

16191
09:22:56,759 --> 09:22:57,727
less.

16192
09:22:57,727 --> 09:22:58,328
Wanted to talk about traffic.

16193
09:22:58,328 --> 09:22:59,462
What is different here.

16194
09:22:59,462 --> 09:23:00,129
There significantly more

16195
09:23:00,129 --> 09:23:02,529
contributions for the project

16196
09:23:02,932 --> 09:23:03,660
and the other one

16197
09:23:03,660 --> 09:23:04,330
.

16198
09:23:04,330 --> 09:23:07,330
If you talk about this

16199
09:23:11,107 --> 09:23:11,708
holistically, I agree with you

16200
09:23:11,708 --> 09:23:12,108
these two projects link

16201
09:23:12,108 --> 09:23:13,108
together.

16202
09:23:13,108 --> 09:23:14,110
There are interpersonal

16203
09:23:14,110 --> 09:23:14,844
connections and roadway network

16204
09:23:14,844 --> 09:23:16,478
which we get the folks another

16205
09:23:16,478 --> 09:23:16,813
way out other than galveston

16206
09:23:16,813 --> 09:23:18,813
court.

16207
09:23:21,284 --> 09:23:21,951
Those things fit together.

16208
09:23:21,951 --> 09:23:22,986
Folks will be able to in talks

16209
09:23:22,986 --> 09:23:24,921
with both applicants there will

16210
09:23:24,921 --> 09:23:25,588
be conversations about joint

16211
09:23:25,588 --> 09:23:29,188
use agreement so this will not

16212
09:23:30,593 --> 09:23:31,227
be just one isolated community.

16213
09:23:31,227 --> 09:23:31,494
This will be enlisted

16214
09:23:31,494 --> 09:23:32,610
community.

16215
09:23:32,610 --> 09:23:32,795
I pushed so hard

16216
09:23:32,795 --> 09:23:36,395
to make sure the projects came

16217
09:23:37,320 --> 09:23:38,100
in on the same night.

16218
09:23:38,100 --> 09:23:38,735
I know and appreciate the

16219
09:23:38,735 --> 09:23:39,636
constituent who shared her

16220
09:23:39,636 --> 09:23:40,937
story about not being able to

16221
09:23:40,937 --> 09:23:43,206
get home pick a number of us on

16222
09:23:43,206 --> 09:23:43,706
the board sit on the on the

16223
09:23:43,706 --> 09:23:44,407
right commission.

16224
09:23:44,407 --> 09:23:48,700
That's the type of feedback we

16225
09:23:53,182 --> 09:23:53,917
need because no one should take

16226
09:23:53,917 --> 09:23:54,817
a bus and have an omni ride bus

16227
09:23:54,817 --> 09:23:55,685
to take them back home so that

16228
09:23:55,685 --> 09:23:56,452
is feedback we can use and it

16229
09:23:56,452 --> 09:23:57,287
underscores the fact there's a

16230
09:23:57,287 --> 09:23:58,187
lot more work we need to do

16231
09:23:58,187 --> 09:23:58,888
around making sure our internal

16232
09:23:58,888 --> 09:24:01,888
traffic network as it pertains

16233
09:24:02,292 --> 09:24:02,458
to transit is better

16234
09:24:02,458 --> 09:24:03,426
.

16235
09:24:03,426 --> 09:24:07,626
You should be able to ride to

16236
09:24:08,298 --> 09:24:11,868
work the ride back and so I

16237
09:24:11,868 --> 09:24:12,869
hear you and appreciate that.

16238
09:24:12,869 --> 09:24:15,438
I also wanted to hone in on the

16239
09:24:15,438 --> 09:24:18,438
water quality for a second

16240
09:24:20,420 --> 09:24:21,440
.

16241
09:24:21,440 --> 09:24:21,711
Folks are right protecting the

16242
09:24:21,711 --> 09:24:22,450
occoquan reservoir is not an

16243
09:24:22,450 --> 09:24:24,450
option.

16244
09:24:25,815 --> 09:24:26,716
The guidance exists there when

16245
09:24:26,716 --> 09:24:27,717
the case matters is the

16246
09:24:27,717 --> 09:24:28,351
rezoning includes protection

16247
09:24:28,351 --> 09:24:29,218
that currently does not exist

16248
09:24:29,218 --> 09:24:31,618
under the current zoning

16249
09:24:35,291 --> 09:24:36,292
ordinance.

16250
09:24:36,292 --> 09:24:36,492
We are still working to get

16251
09:24:36,492 --> 09:24:37,293
there.

16252
09:24:37,293 --> 09:24:38,610
We have at meetings around it,

16253
09:24:38,610 --> 09:24:39,395
we'd meetings around updating

16254
09:24:39,395 --> 09:24:40,296
the zoning ordinance to meet

16255
09:24:40,296 --> 09:24:42,832
the need for the moment,

16256
09:24:42,832 --> 09:24:43,499
however, there are things I

16257
09:24:43,499 --> 09:24:45,168
wanted to highlight that meet

16258
09:24:45,168 --> 09:24:45,500
the moment.

16259
09:24:45,500 --> 09:24:46,336
Well testing.

16260
09:24:46,336 --> 09:24:47,369
I've heard a lot about folks on

16261
09:24:47,369 --> 09:24:47,537
the wells

16262
09:24:47,537 --> 09:24:49,537
.

16263
09:24:50,773 --> 09:24:51,307
The folks to the west and the

16264
09:24:51,307 --> 09:24:53,707
folks to the north.

16265
09:25:02,510 --> 09:25:02,719
I hear you on wells in the

16266
09:25:02,719 --> 09:25:03,520
applicant has committed to well

16267
09:25:03,520 --> 09:25:03,686
testing.

16268
09:25:03,686 --> 09:25:04,554
Baseline afterwards to make

16269
09:25:04,554 --> 09:25:05,154
sure they are not adversely

16270
09:25:05,154 --> 09:25:06,122
impacting peoples wells.

16271
09:25:06,122 --> 09:25:06,756
If there's any indication they

16272
09:25:06,756 --> 09:25:09,559
are they will make people hold.

16273
09:25:09,559 --> 09:25:09,659
That is in their

16274
09:25:09,659 --> 09:25:10,660
.

16275
09:25:10,660 --> 09:25:11,628
High-performance storm water

16276
09:25:11,628 --> 09:25:13,628
management, jellyfish

16277
09:25:16,833 --> 09:25:17,330
filtration.

16278
09:25:17,330 --> 09:25:17,834
Works.

16279
09:25:17,834 --> 09:25:20,234
Low impact development are.

16280
09:25:22,137 --> 09:25:22,839
they are not buying credit

16281
09:25:22,839 --> 09:25:23,706
somewhere else to offset the

16282
09:25:23,706 --> 09:25:24,140
fact they are polluting the

16283
09:25:24,140 --> 09:25:24,841
water there.

16284
09:25:24,841 --> 09:25:25,140
They are doing the right thing

16285
09:25:25,140 --> 09:25:27,140
there.

16286
09:25:30,120 --> 09:25:30,980
Last thing they will say is I

16287
09:25:30,980 --> 09:25:34,580
hear only you that pertains to

16288
09:25:34,918 --> 09:25:37,253
the change this represents I'm

16289
09:25:37,253 --> 09:25:37,921
not dismissing anyone's input.

16290
09:25:37,921 --> 09:25:41,521
We've been applying it to the

16291
09:25:50,266 --> 09:25:51,000
last two years

16292
09:25:51,000 --> 09:25:51,968
.

16293
09:25:51,968 --> 09:25:52,635
This record shows the plan is

16294
09:25:52,635 --> 09:25:53,690
changed to because residents

16295
09:25:53,690 --> 09:25:53,970
showed up.

16296
09:25:53,970 --> 09:25:54,971
Fewer units, less intense

16297
09:25:54,971 --> 09:25:56,500
buildings increase protections

16298
09:25:56,500 --> 09:25:57,600
unenforceable proffers pick my

16299
09:25:57,600 --> 09:25:58,107
job is to weigh the full public

16300
09:25:58,107 --> 09:25:58,975
interest, neighborhood impacts

16301
09:25:58,975 --> 09:25:59,976
on water quality, the county

16302
09:25:59,976 --> 09:26:02,450
long-term plan were jobs and

16303
09:26:02,450 --> 09:26:02,679
services are growing.

16304
09:26:02,679 --> 09:26:03,546
This connects to a larger

16305
09:26:03,546 --> 09:26:04,130
picture on what the county

16306
09:26:04,130 --> 09:26:04,547
center will be in

16307
09:26:04,547 --> 09:26:04,780
the next 20

16308
09:26:04,780 --> 09:26:05,480
years.

16309
09:26:05,480 --> 09:26:07,480
Ll the other

16310
09:26:11,854 --> 09:26:12,388
proposals that have, crossed to

16311
09:26:12,388 --> 09:26:13,890
put density elsewhere and

16312
09:26:13,890 --> 09:26:14,357
outward we brought them here to

16313
09:26:14,357 --> 09:26:16,359
this part of it so you don't

16314
09:26:16,359 --> 09:26:16,526
have it further out

16315
09:26:16,526 --> 09:26:18,526
.

16316
09:26:23,833 --> 09:26:24,834
Thank you MADAM Chair.

16317
09:26:24,834 --> 09:26:25,335
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16318
09:26:25,335 --> 09:26:26,336
supervisor vega?

16319
09:26:26,336 --> 09:26:29,336
>> Yesli Vega: thank you to

16320
09:26:35,311 --> 09:26:35,979
everyone who showed up.

16321
09:26:35,979 --> 09:26:36,846
We often get put in between a

16322
09:26:36,846 --> 09:26:37,280
rock and hard place when

16323
09:26:37,280 --> 09:26:37,547
developers come to

16324
09:26:37,547 --> 09:26:38,481
the office we

16325
09:26:38,481 --> 09:26:39,482
talk about projects having to

16326
09:26:39,482 --> 09:26:40,216
make financial sense.

16327
09:26:40,216 --> 09:26:43,860
We don't know the breakdown of

16328
09:26:43,860 --> 09:26:45,521
the details of their financial

16329
09:26:45,521 --> 09:26:49,721
so we take their word for it.

16330
09:26:49,859 --> 09:26:51,194
as a county supervisor, my job

16331
09:26:51,194 --> 09:26:54,764
is to make sure my constituents

16332
09:26:54,764 --> 09:26:55,698
interests are represented in

16333
09:26:55,698 --> 09:26:56,299
the land use application that

16334
09:26:56,299 --> 09:26:58,234
comes before my desk.

16335
09:26:58,234 --> 09:26:58,868
Why do I highlight that?

16336
09:26:58,868 --> 09:26:59,702
It's very important.

16337
09:26:59,702 --> 09:27:01,702
While they understand

16338
09:27:02,805 --> 09:27:05,805
developers need to make money,

16339
09:27:11,347 --> 09:27:12,282
you should not put a price on

16340
09:27:12,282 --> 09:27:13,316
something as basic as a human

16341
09:27:13,316 --> 09:27:13,783
right when it comes to having

16342
09:27:13,783 --> 09:27:14,450
access to clean water.

16343
09:27:14,450 --> 09:27:15,752
No amount of credits, no amount

16344
09:27:15,752 --> 09:27:16,520
of proffers can guarantee that

16345
09:27:16,520 --> 09:27:18,520
get in that.

16346
09:27:20,823 --> 09:27:21,524
It is frustrating when we have

16347
09:27:21,524 --> 09:27:22,325
applications come before the

16348
09:27:22,325 --> 09:27:23,760
board be presented to the

16349
09:27:23,760 --> 09:27:26,760
community that can be better

16350
09:27:29,732 --> 09:27:30,600
that the district supervisor

16351
09:27:30,600 --> 09:27:31,534
can work harder to improve and

16352
09:27:31,534 --> 09:27:32,302
that is the most frustrating

16353
09:27:32,302 --> 09:27:33,202
part about this entire process

16354
09:27:33,202 --> 09:27:34,704
is our job is elected officials

16355
09:27:34,704 --> 09:27:37,704
is to meet the applications

16356
09:27:44,414 --> 09:27:45,315
better to buy bringing your

16357
09:27:45,315 --> 09:27:45,982
concerns to the discussion

16358
09:27:45,982 --> 09:27:46,583
table this a lot about the

16359
09:27:46,583 --> 09:27:47,317
project I like.

16360
09:27:47,317 --> 09:27:48,284
I like the different types a

16361
09:27:48,284 --> 09:27:51,284
housing, like the product type.

16362
09:27:52,755 --> 09:27:53,423
But at the end of the day how

16363
09:27:53,423 --> 09:27:54,324
do we solve the overcrowding

16364
09:27:54,324 --> 09:27:57,260
issue and issues with traffic

16365
09:27:57,260 --> 09:27:58,261
how do we resolve the issues of

16366
09:27:58,261 --> 09:27:59,562
adding additional strains to

16367
09:27:59,562 --> 09:27:59,762
our public services

16368
09:27:59,762 --> 09:28:01,762
.

16369
09:28:03,233 --> 09:28:05,835
It comes down to the density.

16370
09:28:05,835 --> 09:28:08,835
Is never the willingness to

16371
09:28:11,974 --> 09:28:12,742
meet in the middle because

16372
09:28:12,742 --> 09:28:13,576
there is always that we had to

16373
09:28:13,576 --> 09:28:14,477
make money, and asked to make

16374
09:28:14,477 --> 09:28:17,347
financial sense and we as a

16375
09:28:17,347 --> 09:28:17,647
board have to figure that out

16376
09:28:17,647 --> 09:28:18,281
.

16377
09:28:18,281 --> 09:28:20,450
It is my opinion that the

16378
09:28:20,450 --> 09:28:22,585
community should not be forced

16379
09:28:22,585 --> 09:28:25,585
into an either or scenario

16380
09:28:26,256 --> 09:28:27,230
between housing and clean water

16381
09:28:27,230 --> 09:28:29,592
we talk about trying to solve

16382
09:28:29,592 --> 09:28:30,526
one problem by creating so many

16383
09:28:30,526 --> 09:28:34,726
more in this is a reality we

16384
09:28:37,734 --> 09:28:38,601
faced for a long time and in

16385
09:28:38,601 --> 09:28:39,268
many ways it's ridiculous I

16386
09:28:39,268 --> 09:28:40,103
have to keep saying the fact

16387
09:28:40,103 --> 09:28:40,570
folks are not opposed to

16388
09:28:40,570 --> 09:28:42,570
growth.

16389
09:28:42,872 --> 09:28:43,439
We have the second largest

16390
09:28:43,439 --> 09:28:45,742
county in the, will the

16391
09:28:45,742 --> 09:28:47,610
virginia.

16392
09:28:47,610 --> 09:28:51,810
Is a reason people want to come

16393
09:28:52,916 --> 09:28:53,816
and we can tackle the

16394
09:28:53,816 --> 09:28:54,550
affordable housing crisis, we

16395
09:28:54,550 --> 09:28:55,818
can tackle that overcrowding,

16396
09:28:55,818 --> 09:28:56,452
we can tackle the crumbling

16397
09:28:56,452 --> 09:28:58,852
infrastructure if we are

16398
09:29:01,958 --> 09:29:02,692
serious about doing it.

16399
09:29:02,692 --> 09:29:03,459
This is going to pass but the

16400
09:29:03,459 --> 09:29:03,560
simple promise to you all.

16401
09:29:03,560 --> 09:29:05,560
'm

16402
09:29:12,535 --> 09:29:13,770
going to continue to be a hawk

16403
09:29:13,770 --> 09:29:14,436
when it comes to sustainability

16404
09:29:14,436 --> 09:29:15,538
measures, when it comes to

16405
09:29:15,538 --> 09:29:16,272
talks about the environment and

16406
09:29:16,272 --> 09:29:17,273
how we put additional

16407
09:29:17,273 --> 09:29:18,173
protections because we can't

16408
09:29:18,173 --> 09:29:18,841
have it both ways pick we

16409
09:29:18,841 --> 09:29:19,475
cannot continue to speak out of

16410
09:29:19,475 --> 09:29:20,276
both sides of our mall and we

16411
09:29:20,276 --> 09:29:20,877
care about the environment in

16412
09:29:20,877 --> 09:29:22,378
its entirety or we don't.

16413
09:29:22,378 --> 09:29:22,579
Or we don't

16414
09:29:22,579 --> 09:29:24,546
.

16415
09:29:24,546 --> 09:29:26,946
It is that simple.

16416
09:29:36,793 --> 09:29:37,660
It is that simple.

16417
09:29:37,660 --> 09:29:38,394
I think the applicant for

16418
09:29:38,394 --> 09:29:39,329
meeting with me, but this cake

16419
09:29:39,329 --> 09:29:40,530
was already baked because I

16420
09:29:40,530 --> 09:29:41,164
asked about density and asked

16421
09:29:41,164 --> 09:29:42,165
if we could talk about that and

16422
09:29:42,165 --> 09:29:42,864
the answer was no because the

16423
09:29:42,864 --> 09:29:43,866
district supervisor had already

16424
09:29:43,866 --> 09:29:44,400
brought into what the district

16425
09:29:44,400 --> 09:29:45,268
supervisor brought to me.

16426
09:29:45,268 --> 09:29:46,169
We had to be serious about

16427
09:29:46,169 --> 09:29:46,402
negotiate to make projects

16428
09:29:46,402 --> 09:29:48,402
better.

16429
09:29:49,339 --> 09:29:50,139
I believe in poverty rates in

16430
09:29:50,139 --> 09:29:50,840
my heart breaks for the

16431
09:29:50,840 --> 09:29:51,708
landowners to give every right

16432
09:29:51,708 --> 09:29:53,243
to sell your property but it's

16433
09:29:53,243 --> 09:29:55,845
my job to ensure I look at

16434
09:29:55,845 --> 09:29:56,846
things holistically, while you

16435
09:29:56,846 --> 09:30:00,446
are going to sell your property

16436
09:30:02,285 --> 09:30:03,190
and probably move out of the

16437
09:30:03,190 --> 09:30:03,953
area, of debate attention to

16438
09:30:03,953 --> 09:30:04,821
those of us who remain here and

16439
09:30:04,821 --> 09:30:05,588
for those who are to follow so

16440
09:30:05,588 --> 09:30:08,891
I will be voting no for those

16441
09:30:08,891 --> 09:30:09,893
reasons.

16442
09:30:09,893 --> 09:30:10,393
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16443
09:30:10,393 --> 09:30:10,894
thank you.

16444
09:30:10,894 --> 09:30:11,628
Supervisor boddye.

16445
09:30:11,628 --> 09:30:14,628
>> Kenny Boddye: not going to

16446
09:30:16,366 --> 09:30:17,233
go back and forth for as it

16447
09:30:17,233 --> 09:30:18,234
pertains to the motion itself

16448
09:30:18,234 --> 09:30:18,501
there was a courtesy review

16449
09:30:18,501 --> 09:30:19,235
requested.

16450
09:30:19,235 --> 09:30:20,737
I want to make sure county

16451
09:30:20,737 --> 09:30:21,371
staff updated the proffers.

16452
09:30:21,371 --> 09:30:23,771
>> the proffers have been

16453
09:30:29,611 --> 09:30:29,946
updated to include the courtesy

16454
09:30:29,946 --> 09:30:30,613
review.

16455
09:30:30,613 --> 09:30:31,447
>> Kenny Boddye: I want to

16456
09:30:31,447 --> 09:30:31,948
restate my motion to be

16457
09:30:31,948 --> 09:30:32,482
proffers dated

16458
09:30:32,482 --> 09:30:33,683
12/17/2025.

16459
09:30:33,683 --> 09:30:35,683
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16460
09:30:38,870 --> 09:30:38,587
do I need a second since we are

16461
09:30:38,587 --> 09:30:40,587
updated it?

16462
09:30:40,856 --> 09:30:41,524
Properly moved and seconded.

16463
09:30:41,524 --> 09:30:42,580
Is there any further

16464
09:30:42,580 --> 09:30:44,580
discussion?

16465
09:30:44,227 --> 09:30:44,627
Upervisor bailey

16466
09:30:44,627 --> 09:30:45,595
.

16467
09:30:45,595 --> 09:30:45,929
>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

16468
09:30:45,929 --> 09:30:47,929
will be brief.

16469
09:30:57,373 --> 09:30:58,174
I wanted to thank the citizens

16470
09:30:58,174 --> 09:30:58,875
who came out and spoke on

16471
09:30:58,875 --> 09:30:59,609
behalf -- lend their voice to

16472
09:30:59,609 --> 09:31:00,510
how I feel about this.

16473
09:31:00,510 --> 09:31:01,878
I totally agree you are

16474
09:31:01,878 --> 09:31:02,911
entitled to good clean water,

16475
09:31:02,911 --> 09:31:03,913
but all are entitled to have

16476
09:31:03,913 --> 09:31:07,513
sheltered to have good homes to

16477
09:31:08,170 --> 09:31:08,785
live in.

16478
09:31:08,785 --> 09:31:09,180
And obtainable housing to live

16479
09:31:09,180 --> 09:31:09,651
in.

16480
09:31:09,651 --> 09:31:11,454
verybody in prince

16481
09:31:11,454 --> 09:31:12,355
william county and that's what

16482
09:31:12,355 --> 09:31:16,226
we are focused on to make sure

16483
09:31:16,226 --> 09:31:17,125
everybody who lives here wants

16484
09:31:17,125 --> 09:31:20,196
to be or can raise their

16485
09:31:20,196 --> 09:31:21,640
families here and could afford

16486
09:31:21,640 --> 09:31:21,798
to live here and have a decent

16487
09:31:21,798 --> 09:31:23,798
life

16488
09:31:26,569 --> 09:31:27,270
.

16489
09:31:27,270 --> 09:31:28,710
That is something nationally

16490
09:31:28,710 --> 09:31:30,471
everyone is suffering from.

16491
09:31:31,874 --> 09:31:32,909
How do we do that?

16492
09:31:32,909 --> 09:31:36,346
We do that by making sure the

16493
09:31:36,346 --> 09:31:36,446
comprehensive plan is holistic

16494
09:31:36,446 --> 09:31:38,446
,

16495
09:31:41,584 --> 09:31:42,485
totally holistic as we grow and

16496
09:31:42,485 --> 09:31:44,754
we have no control on how we

16497
09:31:44,754 --> 09:31:45,455
grow.

16498
09:31:45,455 --> 09:31:49,550
We've been growing a long time

16499
09:31:50,260 --> 09:31:50,960
under old rules and old housing

16500
09:31:50,960 --> 09:31:51,828
and so we need affordable

16501
09:31:51,828 --> 09:31:53,828
housing, obtainable housing.

16502
09:31:56,666 --> 09:31:57,166
Not just section 8 housing.

16503
09:31:57,166 --> 09:31:59,166
We need housing.

16504
09:32:02,338 --> 09:32:03,273
I commend the developer for

16505
09:32:03,273 --> 09:32:04,700
working with the staff to make

16506
09:32:04,700 --> 09:32:06,420
sure there's a little bit in

16507
09:32:06,420 --> 09:32:08,411
the pot for everybody.

16508
09:32:08,411 --> 09:32:12,110
Thank you so much for your

16509
09:32:12,181 --> 09:32:13,182
ability to think brought her.

16510
09:32:13,182 --> 09:32:14,584
We respect that and appreciate

16511
09:32:14,584 --> 09:32:16,584
that.

16512
09:32:17,754 --> 09:32:20,390
We don't always agree, but we

16513
09:32:20,390 --> 09:32:21,324
come to the center as much as

16514
09:32:21,324 --> 09:32:23,126
we can for everybody and that's

16515
09:32:23,126 --> 09:32:23,793
essential.

16516
09:32:23,793 --> 09:32:27,393
So thank you to the citizens

16517
09:32:30,633 --> 09:32:31,301
for coming out on speaking, but

16518
09:32:31,301 --> 09:32:31,634
you're right is also deaf

16519
09:32:31,634 --> 09:32:32,235
shelter.

16520
09:32:32,235 --> 09:32:34,635
Thank you MADAM Chair.

16521
09:32:37,206 --> 09:32:37,473
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16522
09:32:37,473 --> 09:32:38,207
all right.

16523
09:32:38,207 --> 09:32:38,975
Is there anyone else?

16524
09:32:38,975 --> 09:32:39,342
All right then.

16525
09:32:39,342 --> 09:32:39,976
Let's go ahead.

16526
09:32:39,976 --> 09:32:41,844
I would like to take the vote.

16527
09:32:41,844 --> 09:32:43,844
>> Victor Angry: yes.

16528
09:32:48,284 --> 09:32:48,985
>> thank you, sir.

16529
09:32:48,985 --> 09:32:50,386
Motion passes 7/1 supervisor

16530
09:32:50,386 --> 09:32:52,386
vega voting no.

16531
09:32:56,920 --> 09:32:56,659
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16532
09:32:56,659 --> 09:32:57,627
thank you so very much.

16533
09:32:57,627 --> 09:32:58,561
Just so everyone knows we are

16534
09:32:58,561 --> 09:33:01,130
going to go into public comment

16535
09:33:01,130 --> 09:33:01,863
time.

16536
09:33:01,863 --> 09:33:02,732
After we do public comment time

16537
09:33:02,732 --> 09:33:03,466
we still have an item we have

16538
09:33:03,466 --> 09:33:05,866
to discuss in session.

16539
09:33:07,203 --> 09:33:07,836
After that we will come out and

16540
09:33:07,836 --> 09:33:11,241
certify and at that time we can

16541
09:33:11,241 --> 09:33:12,800
adjourn.

16542
09:33:12,800 --> 09:33:15,345
If anyone is a betting person,

16543
09:33:15,345 --> 09:33:18,945
I am saying to weigh in.

16544
09:33:19,480 --> 09:33:21,480
Public comment time.

16545
09:33:21,840 --> 09:33:23,840
All right.

16546
09:33:23,552 --> 09:33:27,152
I'm going to let people file

16547
09:33:30,360 --> 09:33:32,360
out.

16548
09:33:33,290 --> 09:33:35,290
Goodbye alex.

16549
09:33:35,932 --> 09:33:37,932
All of you.

16550
09:34:16,940 --> 09:34:17,440
We know you.

16551
09:34:17,440 --> 09:34:17,607
All right everyone.

16552
09:34:17,607 --> 09:34:19,607
E have

16553
09:34:20,760 --> 09:34:23,790
two people signed up in person.

16554
09:34:23,790 --> 09:34:26,790
MR. Clancy and eileen johnson.

16555
09:34:26,115 --> 09:34:29,786
We haven't seen you in a long

16556
09:34:29,786 --> 09:34:31,786
time.

16557
09:34:33,823 --> 09:34:34,857
All right.

16558
09:34:34,857 --> 09:34:36,590
>> Public Speaker: are we

16559
09:34:36,590 --> 09:34:38,590
ready?

16560
09:34:48,504 --> 09:34:48,705
MADAM CHAIRMAN?

16561
09:34:48,705 --> 09:34:49,639
Okay.

16562
09:34:49,639 --> 09:34:50,406
Have a couple things I want to

16563
09:34:50,406 --> 09:34:51,441
bring up and citizens time.

16564
09:34:51,441 --> 09:34:52,108
First of all, I brought this up

16565
09:34:52,108 --> 09:34:53,900
before but I keep on until I

16566
09:34:53,900 --> 09:34:55,409
hear something positive about

16567
09:34:55,778 --> 09:34:56,546
it.

16568
09:34:56,546 --> 09:34:57,413
We need a county policy what we

16569
09:34:57,413 --> 09:34:58,281
are going to do with school

16570
09:34:58,281 --> 09:34:59,150
board property when it is

16571
09:34:59,150 --> 09:35:00,750
turned back from the developer

16572
09:35:00,750 --> 09:35:03,150
by the school system.

16573
09:35:03,586 --> 09:35:06,289
I have proposed before the

16574
09:35:06,289 --> 09:35:08,157
policy should be the priority

16575
09:35:08,157 --> 09:35:08,258
should be community gardens

16576
09:35:08,258 --> 09:35:10,258
.

16577
09:35:10,627 --> 09:35:14,970
We have a shortage of places

16578
09:35:14,970 --> 09:35:17,970
where people can increase the

16579
09:35:20,169 --> 09:35:20,870
densities all over the place.

16580
09:35:20,870 --> 09:35:24,470
this idea of the county getting

16581
09:35:24,674 --> 09:35:27,740
involved using taxpayer money

16582
09:35:28,978 --> 09:35:30,978
repair foundation the

16583
09:35:33,348 --> 09:35:35,385
geotechnical work was not done

16584
09:35:35,385 --> 09:35:37,385
is absurd.

16585
09:35:38,540 --> 09:35:40,890
That is what second mortgages

16586
09:35:40,890 --> 09:35:41,557
are for.

16587
09:35:41,557 --> 09:35:42,425
Going to be hard on this thing

16588
09:35:42,425 --> 09:35:43,626
if you decide you want to use

16589
09:35:43,626 --> 09:35:47,226
the tax money to fix somebody's

16590
09:35:49,399 --> 09:35:51,399
foundation.

16591
09:35:54,270 --> 09:35:56,905
Three, required data centers in

16592
09:35:56,905 --> 09:35:57,840
the development standards form

16593
09:35:57,840 --> 09:36:00,240
to use geothermal cooling.

16594
09:36:06,716 --> 09:36:07,617
If

16595
09:36:07,617 --> 09:36:08,251
we make them do geothermal

16596
09:36:08,251 --> 09:36:09,152
cooling it will stop using our

16597
09:36:09,152 --> 09:36:09,886
public water supply to cool the

16598
09:36:09,886 --> 09:36:11,119
things and send it down the

16599
09:36:11,119 --> 09:36:14,719
road to be retreated in sewage

16600
09:36:17,727 --> 09:36:18,428
treatment plant.

16601
09:36:18,428 --> 09:36:22,650
My last one is I will bring

16602
09:36:22,650 --> 09:36:22,832
this up again.

16603
09:36:22,832 --> 09:36:26,432
We need a county ordinance for

16604
09:36:26,569 --> 09:36:27,470
noise on vehicles because these

16605
09:36:27,470 --> 09:36:29,870
guys are running around

16606
09:36:39,249 --> 09:36:39,716
demonstrating

16607
09:36:39,716 --> 09:36:40,682
.

16608
09:36:40,682 --> 09:36:41,684
You can hear them six blocks

16609
09:36:41,684 --> 09:36:42,685
away with the noise they make.

16610
09:36:42,685 --> 09:36:43,720
Mongomery county has put noise

16611
09:36:43,720 --> 09:36:44,354
monitors and the issue tickets

16612
09:36:44,354 --> 09:36:44,754
to people for doing that kind

16613
09:36:44,754 --> 09:36:46,754
of stuff.

16614
09:36:48,156 --> 09:36:48,825
And you have the

16615
09:36:48,825 --> 09:36:49,759
authority to do it down here

16616
09:36:49,759 --> 09:36:50,627
and we can do something about

16617
09:36:50,627 --> 09:36:51,294
the disturbance in the

16618
09:36:51,294 --> 09:36:53,694
neighborhoods and thank you

16619
09:36:55,131 --> 09:36:55,598
very much for taking a moment

16620
09:36:55,598 --> 09:36:56,199
to listen to this.

16621
09:36:56,199 --> 09:36:56,799
GOD bless you all, merry

16622
09:36:56,799 --> 09:36:57,330
christmas

16623
09:36:57,330 --> 09:36:58,100
.

16624
09:36:58,100 --> 09:36:58,835
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16625
09:36:58,835 --> 09:37:01,235
thank you so much.

16626
09:37:09,312 --> 09:37:11,312
Next speaker, please.

16627
09:37:11,346 --> 09:37:13,346
>> Public Speaker: hello.

16628
09:37:16,686 --> 09:37:17,287
How are you?

16629
09:37:17,287 --> 09:37:17,587
You didn't respond back.

16630
09:37:17,587 --> 09:37:18,688
how are you.

16631
09:37:18,688 --> 09:37:19,880
>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

16632
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we are wonderful.

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We can barely hear you.

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>> Public Speaker: I'm getting

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rusty.

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Is that better?

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Good to be back.

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Good morning.

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My name is I in johnson then I

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am from the woodbridge

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district.

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This morning I stand before you

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as a wife and mother and

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relentless advocate for foster

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families and foster children in

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prince william county.

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For 33 months you've heard this

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before but I will keep

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repeating it.

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In 28 days we had the honor of

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loving a child affectionately

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known as bumpy.

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Bumpy was not just a child in

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our care, bumpy was family.

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A sweet little boy.

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E was

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deeply loved

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, cherished with

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everyday and help close in our

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hearts.

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My husband as well as my

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children and I was pregnant

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twice while advocating.

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What happened to my family was

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absolutely horrible.

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Instead of support we faced

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retaliation.

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We were left at outside the

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courtroom by dss workers, yes

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we were.

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Someone reached out to me and

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took bumpy from me and laughed.

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Dss workers, this was under

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your watch MR. Shorter.

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We were mocked accused of

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becoming foster parents just

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for money.

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My family actually lost about

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$30,000 to date advocating for

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bumpy but we did it for money.

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MR. Shorter, to this day those

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accusations remain uncorrected.

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The prince william county

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department of social services

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even went out of their way

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, I

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promise you, after I spoke

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initially at public comment.

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I don't know if I have said

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this before, to make sure we

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were no longer allowed to be

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foster parents.

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He of the pageantry of having

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dss workers posted up online

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saying how much you care about

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foster families, but when I

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spoke at public comment my

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family was no longer allowed to

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be foster parents.

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Today I heard the board talk

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about programs to support

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families and children

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, but what

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good of the programs when the

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system punishes families like

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my own and don't protect the

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foster children.

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What good of the programs when

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families are silenced for

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speaking out.

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And will continue to speak, MR.

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Shorter, I told you that.

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Our lives, our fight is not in

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vain.

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It is not in vain when I helped

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take bumpy in the night when he

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cried to.

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It was not in vain when we make

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sure bumpy had close on his

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back, food on the table and

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support in school.

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It was not in vain when I

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gained legal knowledge skills I

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never had before but needed and

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use now to protect my family.

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It is not in vain when I

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navigate for a 504 plan and an

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iep when I've advocate for my

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children MAY speak with parents

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about autism and what it truly

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means.

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First corinthians 1558.

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Therefore my blood brethren and

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sisters, be steadfast and

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immovable, always abounding in

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the work of the lord knowing

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that your labor of love is not

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in vain.

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I stand here today steadfast,

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unmovable.

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What is it morning?

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Did fast and unmovable.

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Knowing my labor of love for

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bumpy was not in vain.

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MR. Shorter, I have said this

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to you for nearly 3 years to

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hold you accountable for what

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was done to my family.

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This is not about policy, this

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is about transparency, dignity

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and children who deserve

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better.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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thank you.

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Do we have anyone available

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online?

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There is no one online.

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What we are going to do, we are

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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get the votes up.

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>> supervisor vega?

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>> Yesli Vega: yes.

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>> thank you.

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Vote unanimous supervisor angry

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absent from vote.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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we have a resolution.

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Hold on.

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I kindly ask we refrain from

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sidebar conversation so we can

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get out of here.

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Supervisor gordy.

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>> Tom Gordy: I would like to

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move that the county executive

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send a letter on behalf of the

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board of county supervisors to

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met dominion in the state

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corporation commission stating

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that the board of county

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supervisors is concerned with

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all proposed lines of the

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nokesville to bristow

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, want to

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be call it in this

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.

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Project.

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Sharing concern to the

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constituents impacted by the

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proposed route and encourage

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dominion in the state

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corporation commission to

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underground the lines and for

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the county attorney to assist

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with the review of the letter.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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second.

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I will take the second.

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Any additional discussion?

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If not let's go ahead.

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--

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>> vote unanimous.

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>> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

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moved to adjourn.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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second.

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There is already a motion for

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adjournment and it has been

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properly seconded.

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>> supervisor gordy?

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Thank you.

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Vote unanimous.

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>> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

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thank you.

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This is our last meeting of the

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year.

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Happy holidays all.