[0:14] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[0:14] it is 2:00.
[0:19] Today is -- this is our final
[0:19] board meeting of 2025.
[0:21] Before we begin let's take a
[0:27] moment for a moment silence.
[0:41] [Moment of silence]
[0:44] Thank you so much.
[0:53] Please stand, if you are able,
[0:54] the pledge of allegiance.
[0:55] >>> I pledge allegiance to the
[0:55] flag of the united states of
[1:00] america and to the republic for
[1:01] which it stands, one nation
[1:02] under GOD, indivisible, with
[1:03] liberty and justice for all
[1:04] .
[1:05] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:07] before we go through with our
[1:16] formal agenda I would like to
[1:17] get a motion to waive the rules
[1:18] of procedure and approve the
[1:20] request to participate remotely
[1:21] through electronic
[1:22] communications means.
[1:22] >> so moved
[1:23] >> second.
[1:24] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:26] any discussion?
[1:26] Let's go ahead and
[1:27] take our vote
[1:41] .
[1:41] >> vote unanimous supervisor
[1:47] angry absent from vote.
[1:48] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:51] all right.
[1:57] Is he present on the screen?
[1:58] >> Victor Angry: yes, ma'am.
[1:58] I'm here.
[2:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:06] sorry you are feeling bad, but
[2:07] I'm also spreading out and we
[2:08] are going to be taking up some
[2:08] your space.
[2:09] Without let's go to agenda item
[2:09] number four.
[2:14] I mean, get out of my way, yes
[2:17] lee.
[2:24] First of all, we have 4a.
[2:25] Unfortunately she is not well
[2:26] so we will not be proceeding
[2:27] with 4a today.
[2:32] I'm going to go ahead and do 4b
[2:40] and 4c separately.
[2:41] Before actually go over there
[2:42] let's do approval of the
[2:43] minutes from NOVEMBER 18.
[2:43] And I get a motion?
[2:46] All right.
[2:47] I will give it to supervisor
[2:47] stewart.
[2:51] Any discussion?
[2:54] If not
[2:55] , let's go ahead and take
[2:59] our vote.
[3:04] >> supervisor angry?
[3:09] Vote unanimous.
[3:10] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:11] now we are going to move to
[3:12] commendations and
[3:12] proclamations.
[3:19] So again 4a we are pulling that
[3:20] as the recipient is not well.
[3:21] 4b and 4c I'm going to do
[3:21] separately.
[3:25] Can I get a motion?
[3:26] It has been properly moved and
[3:27] seconded.
[3:31] Any discussion?
[3:32] Let's go ahead and take our
[3:33] vote.
[3:49] >> supervisor angry on 4b?
[3:49] Motion passes 6/2 supervisors
[3:50] gordy and vega voting no.
[3:52] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:55] all right.
[3:56] And 4c I would like to get a
[3:56] motion.
[3:57] >> so moved.
[3:58] >> second.
[4:02] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:03] it has been properly moved and
[4:03] seconded.
[4:04] Any discussion?
[4:05] Let's go ahead and take our
[4:17] vote.
[4:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:18] for 4b, if you can join me.
[4:19] And then for 4c we have a very
[4:28] large group.
[4:28] I would like to take a brief
[4:29] recess so everyone on the dais
[4:30] can take a picture.
[4:31] Maybe we will find a way to
[4:31] photoshop you in, victor, I
[4:32] don't know.
[4:34] We will figure out something.
[4:34] If you can join me for the
[4:41] first one
[4:57] .
[5:00] >> do we have anyone here from
[5:06] united workers?
[5:16] It's
[5:17] >> Margaret Angela Franklin:
[5:25] good afternoon.
[5:26] Tenants and workers united is a
[5:27] grassroots organization
[5:28] committed to building community
[5:28] power to win social and
[5:29] economic justice across
[5:30] northern virginia.
[5:30] For 39 years tenant workers
[5:37] united have been organizing low
[5:37] income communities of color to
[5:38] build power through community
[5:40] led campaigns for affordable
[5:42] housing, health equity,
[5:43] education justice, police
[5:44] accountability, immigrants
[5:49] rights and more.
[5:50] tenants and workers united have
[5:51] advocated the creation of the
[5:51] counties office a housing
[5:58] community development, the
[5:59] housing trust fund and
[5:59] affordable
[5:59] drilling ordinance.
[6:00] Enants and workers united is
[6:01] a ub summer institute program,
[6:02] the eastern prince william
[6:03] county.
[6:04] For middle and high school
[6:05] youth with the goal to provide
[6:06] leadership, educational
[6:13] workshops and guidance to
[6:13] ensure student success.
[6:15] Tenant workers united provides
[6:16] education and leadership
[6:17] development so people become
[6:19] change agents and proactive
[6:20] civic engagement to secure
[6:30] sustainable systemic changes
[6:31] that advance racial economic
[6:32] social justice across prince
[6:32] william.
[6:33] Therefore today the prince
[6:34] william board of county
[6:39] supervisors hereby recognizes
[6:40] and commends the outstanding
[6:41] efforts the tenants and workers
[6:42] united has contributed to
[6:42] prince william county
[6:49] residence.
[6:49] >> good afternoon
[6:50] CHAIRWOMAN
[6:51] Jefferson and supervisors.
[6:53] We are grateful and honored to
[6:55] be commended today
[7:04] .
[7:05] Our organization has been
[7:06] around for many years in the
[7:06] community working alongside
[7:07] families, communities of color,
[7:08] and youth doing really
[7:08] impactful work
[7:09] .
[7:13] We recognize it's not easy work
[7:14] so we appreciate being
[7:17] recognized
[7:17] .
[7:57] thank you so much.
[7:58] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:59] all right.
[7:59] The next one for 4c.
[8:02] If anyone associated with this
[8:04] commendation wants to come down
[8:13] .
[8:16] Come on folks.
[8:23] Don't be shy.
[8:24] I was wondering why we had such
[8:24] a large police presence and
[8:25] someone reminded me of this
[8:37] commendation.
[8:38] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you
[8:38] MADAM Trip recommend fire and
[8:39] rescue personnel
[8:39] , police
[8:47] department lakeridge residence
[8:47] on NOVEMBER 13, 2025.
[8:48] I will wait until everyone
[8:58] files in.
[8:59] I will note for the public this
[9:00] is the safest building in the
[9:00] county right now.
[9:25] [Laughter]
[9:25] On the evening of NOVEMBER 13,
[9:26] 2025 a major gas leak caused by
[9:29] a water main rupture into
[9:30] hesitated the evacuation of 82
[9:34] residence.
[9:35] 9:30 P.M. Prince william county
[9:36] firefighters and rescue workers
[9:42] responded to the area near
[9:42] contini place to investigate
[9:43] reports of leaking gas
[9:44] undetermined three inch gas
[9:51] line was severely damaged or in
[9:51] an excavation work but he
[9:52] residence of 65 townhomes in
[9:52] danger.
[9:53] The office of emergency
[9:55] management coordinated with the
[9:56] prince william county schools
[9:57] to provide immediate shelter at
[10:03] woodbridge high school for adt
[10:04] people, 11 whom were children
[10:04] with additional fire and rescue
[10:06] units providing evacuation and
[10:07] shelter support.
[10:08] The following groups played a
[10:08] roll in assisting lakeridge
[10:12] residence that night.
[10:13] The prince william county fire
[10:14] and rescue hazardous materials
[10:17] response unit
[10:18] , rehabbed units
[10:18] and safety and command
[10:19] officers.
[10:20] The prince william safety
[10:21] communications
[10:21] , prince william
[10:22] county police department,
[10:26] prince william county
[10:27] department of social services,
[10:29] washington gas and red cross.
[10:29] Therefore today the prince
[10:37] william board of supervisors
[10:38] commends the prince william
[10:39] county fire and rescue police
[10:40] department, department of
[10:41] social services, on the right
[10:41] drivers and other groups that
[10:44] help evacuate and assist
[10:45] lakeridge residence endangered
[10:45] by the gas leak in the
[10:46] townhouse community on NOVEMBER
[10:47] 13, 2025.
[10:54] Thank you so much.
[10:55] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[10:55] we have a number of speakers.
[10:56] I will start with those closest
[10:57] entries, I'm going to have you
[10:58] take the opportunity to walk
[11:01] over here as well.
[11:02] I will start with you, MR.
[11:02] Schneider.
[11:09] Come on up if you
[11:10] have a few words.
[11:10] > yes, for brevity say,
[11:14] thank you for the opportunity.
[11:15] Unfortunately our chair could
[11:16] not be here, supervisor angry,
[11:19] but I'm really impressed by the
[11:20] avatar of his remote
[11:20] participation so we thank him
[11:21] for that.
[11:22] Are operators are
[11:28] about on the way home for the
[11:28] day.
[11:29] They put in a full day at work
[11:29] when the phone call came in.
[11:32] I want to thank our dispatcher
[11:33] was able to coordinate the
[11:34] researchers, supervisor melvin
[11:35] denton
[11:35] .
[11:40] Melvin denton who led the team
[11:41] ,
[11:41] frank and patrick daily to the
[11:42] scene and they were able to
[11:51] provide the support
[11:51] .
[11:52] We are thrilled to do it.
[11:52] You know us for our services
[11:53] but you might forget we are
[11:54] two-time transportation
[11:55] security administration award
[11:56] winner for the gold standard
[11:57] and we love supporting prince
[11:58] william county.
[12:05] [Applause]
[12:06] >> think is a much for this
[12:07] honor.
[12:07] On the deputy chief and I was
[12:08] the acting chief on the day the
[12:09] incident occurred.
[12:10] First one to say as the closest
[12:12] representatives of the citizens
[12:13] it's always a difficult thing
[12:14] for us to make these types of
[12:22] decisions
[12:23] .
[12:23] In the case of a gas leak, it's
[12:24] not what has happened already.
[12:25] The incident command is also
[12:26] responsible for what might
[12:31] happen.
[12:32] And that caused people to be in
[12:33] very uncomfortable conditions.
[12:33] We are glad there wasn't an
[12:34] injury or loss, but still
[12:35] difficult to be told in the
[12:36] middle of the night you must
[12:36] leave
[12:40] , and they don't get a
[12:41] whole lot more information.
[12:42] It's uncomfortable for
[12:42] firefighters.
[12:46] They wonderful equipment, for
[12:52] pathogens, for but they don't
[12:53] have explosion suits.
[12:54] They don't have suits that will
[12:57] protect them.
[12:58] As they are going until people
[12:59] get out of the dangerous
[13:00] situation, they are also in
[13:05] danger.
[13:06] This is your amazing team like
[13:07] all the work done.
[13:07] The fire and rescue units in
[13:10] here is the fire rescue system
[13:10] .
[13:11] We had units from nokesville,
[13:17] from dfr and multiple agencies
[13:18] were involved in this,
[13:18] obviously.
[13:20] Has met had a critical roll
[13:20] making sure we were evacuating
[13:25] and deciding based on the
[13:26] science that they were able to
[13:31] provide to.
[13:32] This is a very small part.
[13:32] With 18 units dispatched to
[13:37] this.
[13:37] There were 40 personnel.
[13:38] This is a representation of the
[13:39] people who were actually at
[13:41] work at that time.
[13:42] But they are amazing and I
[13:43] really appreciate this
[13:47] commendation for them.
[13:48] When they are working and
[13:48] working a large-scale incident
[13:50] like this, multiple agencies
[13:54] from oh wl to dale city are
[13:54] putting in the extra work at
[13:56] night to make sure the 9-1-1
[13:58] calls don't stop happening
[13:58] .
[14:02] It really is a systemwide
[14:02] event.
[14:05] And these people did a
[14:05] wonderful job.
[14:10] So thank you very much.
[14:15] [Applause]
[14:16] >> good afternoon.
[14:17] On behalf of the members of the
[14:18] department of public safety
[14:19] communications, I would like to
[14:20] thank the board for the
[14:26] positive recognition and for
[14:26] your continued support of
[14:28] public safety professionals who
[14:28] serve the community every day.
[14:29] Thank you.
[14:40] [Applause]
[14:41] >> good afternoon.
[14:42] I'm not going to repeat what
[14:42] everyone has said, but this is
[14:43] one of the reasons I really
[14:44] enjoy working in prince william
[14:45] county.
[14:46] It is also one of the reasons I
[14:46] feel safe about living in
[14:52] prince william county.
[14:53] If you look at the
[14:54] collaboration between on the
[14:55] right, the schools, community
[14:55] services, fire department,
[14:59] emergency management and then
[15:00] to have our elected leaders
[15:01] recognize it and say thank you
[15:01] means the world to us.
[15:06] So thank you for giving them.
[15:08] To our first responders who do
[15:08] this every single day.
[15:20] [Applause]
[15:20] >> good afternoon chair
[15:21] jefferson, members of the
[15:21] board.
[15:22] Phyllis jennings holt, director
[15:23] of social services.
[15:26] As he can see, this amazing
[15:27] group of people here.
[15:33] I was the caboose at the end.
[15:34] Social services, when I
[15:35] received the call from brian
[15:35] got into immediate action to
[15:38] find shelter for the families
[15:38] .
[15:39] That is part of the work that
[15:45] we do as a team.
[15:46] We have conversations in
[15:47] emergency management so thank
[15:48] you for the accommodation and
[15:49] I'm proud to be a part of the
[15:52] team and to help shelter the
[15:52] families that evening.
[15:53] Thank you.
[15:57] [Applause]
[15:58] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[15:59] I know we listed a lot of
[16:03] organizations.
[16:04] Does anyone representative with
[16:04] come up.
[16:05] I don't know if nokesville
[16:05] volunteer.
[16:05] All right.
[16:06] I feel like
[16:06] saying this.
[16:15] Come on down!
[16:16] >> a number of you were with us
[16:16] last night.
[16:20] Thank you for seeing being here
[16:21] today.
[16:21] It's nice to be a part of a
[16:22] long time collaborative
[16:26] relationship
[16:26] .
[16:27] With the school division.
[16:27] My name is ryan crow with
[16:33] prince william county school
[16:33] security.
[16:34] Want to think say thank you to
[16:35] the people who came before us.
[16:36] When I worked in the door 30
[16:40] years ago these establish
[16:41] well-known we are fortunate it
[16:42] continues to stay with everyone
[16:42] using the room.
[16:47] If things go sideways, we know
[16:48] the most important thing is to
[16:48] take care of our citizens and
[16:49] we appreciate the invitation
[16:50] here today.
[16:54] Thank you.
[16:55] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[17:03] I don't see anyone else coming
[17:04] down so I'm going to ask the
[17:05] board, if we can come out for a
[17:05] quick picture.
[17:06] I mean quick.
[17:07] I know some of you like to chat
[17:07] and linger.
[17:08] I know who you are.
[17:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[17:47] I really appreciate the first
[17:58] responders and I appreciate the
[17:59] people who come back to the
[17:59] dais.
[17:59] we are going to go ahead and
[18:00] move on to the consent agenda.
[18:01] I would like to ask if anyone
[18:02] would have anything that would
[18:03] like to pull.
[18:03] I'm going to poll 5j and trent
[18:05] eight.
[18:06] Does anyone have anything from
[18:07] the consent agenda they would
[18:07] like to poll?
[18:11] Don't see
[18:12] anything also I would like to
[18:12] get a motion for.
[18:13] Sorry.
[18:16] Upervisor vega
[18:17] .
[18:17] >> Yesli Vega: I was going to
[18:18] second.
[18:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[18:20] I would like to get a motion
[18:22] for 5a through 5I.
[18:23] It has been properly moved and
[18:25] seconded.
[18:29] Any discussion on those items?
[18:30] Supervisor bailey
[18:37] ?
[18:38] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[18:38] nevermind.
[18:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[18:40] all right.
[18:44] Let's go ahead and take a vote
[18:45] for those items.
[18:49] >> supervisor angry?
[18:50] >> Victor Angry: aye.
[18:56] Thank you sir.
[18:57] Vote unanimous.
[18:58] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[18:58] all right.
[18:59] The next item is 5j.
[19:00] Can I get a motion to move it
[19:00] forward?
[19:03] It has been properly
[19:04] moved and seconded.
[19:20] Any discussion?
[19:20] I'm sorry.
[19:21] Supervisor vega, did you have
[19:23] something
[19:24] .
[19:25] >> Yesli Vega: I did plan on
[19:30] pulling this item myself.
[19:31] i guess my questions are for
[19:32] the county attorney since that
[19:34] is what is lifted here on the
[19:34] agenda.
[19:34] I understand there are two
[19:36] appeals and an additional 17
[19:37] assessment property cases.
[19:44] Is that correct?
[19:45] >> MS. Roble: manager members
[19:46] of the board, there are two
[19:46] appeals currently before the
[19:48] court of appeals and I believe
[19:50] it is yes
[19:51] .
[19:52] 17 real estate assessment cases
[19:53] in the circuit court at this
[19:56] time.
[19:57] >> Yesli Vega: thank you.
[19:58] And where do we come up with
[20:03] the 400,000 number?
[20:04] Is it an estimate based on
[20:05] existing funds that have been
[20:06] allocated for other lawsuits or
[20:06] is there a specific breakdown
[20:17] of this amount used for legal
[20:17] fees?
[20:18] >> MS. Roble: it's an estimate
[20:19] going forward for the rest of
[20:19] the fiscal year to defend the
[20:20] boards actions.
[20:21] The board voted to appeal the
[20:21] one case and in discussions
[20:22] with
[20:23] our outside legal counsel.
[20:23] It all depends.
[20:24] There are many variables with
[20:24] the court system whether the
[20:25] court of appeals is going to
[20:27] remand it back
[20:27] .
[20:28] But this is a guesstimate with
[20:29] regards to litigation fees for
[20:31] the rest of the fiscal year.
[20:32] >> Yesli Vega: understood and
[20:33] that is where my concern comes
[20:40] from.
[20:41] Understanding we still have
[20:42] what seems to be a long road
[20:42] ahead of us.
[20:43] Would you be able to give me an
[20:44] idea as to the amount that has
[20:47] already been spent fighting the
[20:48] digital gateway.
[20:49] >> MS. Roble: I can get back to
[20:49] you will not.
[20:50] >> Yesli Vega: okay.
[20:51] So we don't have that at the
[20:51] moment.
[20:51] Would offer this to
[20:52] my colleagues that we are being
[20:53] asked to appropriate $400,000
[20:54] while still having 17
[20:58] additional items that are soon
[20:59] going to also probably more
[21:07] than likely need additional
[21:07] funding.
[21:07] Nd at some point we
[21:08] have done the tough
[21:09] conversations where do we keep
[21:10] going, which direction to be
[21:18] taken where do we draw the line
[21:19] in terms of how much are we
[21:19] going to use tax dollars to
[21:20] keep fighting these lawsuits.
[21:21] I also want to know, I don't
[21:22] know if this is questions for
[21:23] you or somebody else.
[21:23] I would like to know what the
[21:24] reserve fund is.
[21:25] >> MS. Roble: in discussion
[21:35] with the finance department,
[21:35] that fund is used whenever we
[21:36] receive complaints or vials
[21:37] against us, whether it's a
[21:37] workers comp case, an
[21:38] allegation of excessive use of
[21:47] force by the police department.
[21:48] That evolves from day to day,
[21:49] claim to claim.
[21:50] We can work with the county in
[21:50] executive get you an estimate
[21:51] of what it is.
[21:51] It is very fluid.
[21:52] It changes day-to-day based on
[21:53] allegations against of the
[21:53] county.
[21:54] >> Yesli Vega: those are all
[21:55] the questions I have.
[21:55] > Deshundra Jefferson,
[21:56] Mayor: I don't have so much any
[22:01] questions.
[22:02] I have made my stance on this
[22:03] case clear and I just want to
[22:03] be consistent.
[22:05] So I will be voting no.
[22:05] If there is no further
[22:06] discussion let's go ahead and
[22:11] take our vote.
[22:21] >> supervisor angry.
[22:22] Motion passes 5/3 supervisors
[22:26] gordy, vega, and chair stewart
[22:26] voting no.
[22:27] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[22:31] chair stewart?
[22:32] >> George Stewart: thank you.
[22:38] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[22:39] I have been wheeler, I have
[22:39] been stewart.
[22:40] At least no one can say I don't
[22:41] have a good sense of humor.
[22:41] All right.
[22:42] We are going to go to 5k.
[22:45] Before we go to this one, so I
[22:47] have had conversations with
[22:50] manasses airport
[22:50] , and they did
[22:56] have some concerns about the
[22:56] second part of this and
[22:57] supporting a name change from
[22:58] stafford regional airport of
[23:04] washington executive-staff
[23:04] regional airport.
[23:05] I would like this but the
[23:15] question.
[23:16] I would like to go ahead and
[23:16] ask for emotion.
[23:17] Unless there's any discussion
[23:19] or dissension, to approve the
[23:20] amendment to stafford regional
[23:20] airport authority agreement
[23:22] extend the term of agreement to
[23:23] FEBRUARY 28, 2070.
[23:26] >> so moved.
[23:27] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[23:28] any discussion?
[23:38] Let's go ahead and take a vote.
[23:40] >> vote unanimous.
[23:41] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[23:46] thank you so very much.
[23:47] We are now going to agenda item
[23:47] number six and that is the
[23:52] public comment time.
[23:55] Before we go on to that, we are
[23:57] going to have to take a vote to
[23:58] support a name change for the
[24:03] airport authority
[24:04] , from
[24:05] stafford regional airport to
[24:06] washington executive-stafford
[24:07] regional airport
[24:08] .
[24:13] I should ask andrea if this is
[24:19] something we do not support
[24:19] ,
[24:20] should I ask for us to deny it
[24:21] or do we support it and go
[24:22] ahead and vote it down.
[24:30] We can defer it, but it's going
[24:30] to be a date uncertain.
[24:32] I know a lot of people are
[24:33] uncomfortable with that.
[24:33] >> I move to different us to a
[24:36] date uncertain.
[24:37] >> to be have a second.
[24:38] >> Kenny Boddye: second.
[24:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[24:47] now that we have to defer this
[24:48] to a date uncertain, supervisor
[24:48] vega.
[24:49] >> Yesli Vega: I would like to
[24:49] know what the reason.
[24:50] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[24:54] so I had conversations with
[24:55] some folks, my appointee and
[24:56] others in the manassas regional
[24:56] airport.
[24:57] They are also looking to do a
[25:00] change.
[25:00] They had some feelings that
[25:01] this might be trying to get
[25:02] ahead of what they are looking
[25:12] to do.
[25:13] And it really is that piece
[25:14] washington executive.
[25:15] They felt that there might be
[25:16] some confusion.
[25:17] I have not had discussions with
[25:17] anyone from stafford airport.
[25:18] No one has come to me about
[25:19] this
[25:20] .
[25:20] In speaking with manasses
[25:21] airport they had concerns.
[25:22] And I would like them time for
[25:23] all of us to have a discussion
[25:24] to have a discussion about
[25:25] that
[25:25] .
[25:25] To learn what is going on with
[25:26] the manasses airport.
[25:29] Given the proximity of the
[25:31] changes they are looking,
[25:31] installing commercial service,
[25:38] that's going to have a pretty
[25:39] big impact, more significant
[25:41] impact on our community.
[25:41] That is why I would like to go
[25:45] ahead and delay this.
[25:46] >> Yesli Vega: I will let tom
[25:54] elaborator expand.
[25:55] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[25:55] supervisor gordy.
[25:56] >> Tom Gordy: both supervisor
[25:57] vega and I intended in meeting
[25:58] with the county executive
[25:58] shorter and county executive
[26:01] hugh yesterday.
[26:02] That topic came up about their
[26:03] name change as well
[26:03] .
[26:13] I think personally, before --
[26:14] again, no one has come to speak
[26:15] to me about this particular
[26:15] issue.
[26:19] But we have been speaking with
[26:20] manasses airport officials and
[26:24] I would like for us to get our
[26:25] ducks in a row as it relates to
[26:26] manasses airport.
[26:26] And I think that will be coming
[26:27] sooner rather than later.
[26:28] On the once we have that, we
[26:29] want to make sure that we get
[26:32] everything right before we
[26:33] paint ourselves into a corner.
[26:43] With stafford.
[26:43] That is my position and that is
[26:44] why I am deferring at this
[26:44] time.
[26:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[26:46] all right.
[26:46] Anyone else?
[26:47] I appreciate it because I have
[26:48] had the opportunity to go out
[26:53] there and have discussions with
[26:53] them.
[26:54] I don't want to get into the
[26:55] middle of this because we
[26:56] haven't spoken to stafford
[27:06] airport and there are a lot of
[27:07] things happening literally in
[27:07] our backyard or perhaps it's
[27:08] better to say the little donut
[27:09] hole within our county.
[27:10] And so do we have more
[27:10] information, yes.
[27:11] I agree delaying this to a date
[27:15] uncertain.
[27:16] Any further discussion?
[27:17] If not, let's go ahead and take
[27:20] a vote.
[27:24] >> thank you supervisor angry.
[27:33] Vote unanimous.
[27:34] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[27:35] now we get the public comment
[27:35] time.
[27:36] I'm so excited and
[27:36] enthusiastic.
[27:41] I have a sheet.
[27:42] We have a few people signed up.
[27:43] I see some new names pick what
[27:44] I'm going to do is I'm going to
[27:45] call everyone up in groups of
[27:49] five.
[27:50] Please state your name and the
[27:51] magisterial district where you
[27:51] reside.
[27:52] You don't need to give your
[27:53] address unless you want us to
[27:54] show up for lunch or dinner.
[27:55] Up there you will see a screen
[27:55] .
[27:59] It's going to be a timer.
[28:00] You three minutes.
[28:01] I will call the first person.
[28:02] I think it is leslie mayne,
[28:03] carrie lee carrington, [Name]
[28:03] ,
[28:04] susie more steam.
[28:26] You may
[28:26] begin.
[28:27] >> Public Speaker: hello.
[28:35] My name is lee soul and I live
[28:36] in the occoquan district.
[28:37] I am a musician and I play with
[28:37] 70 to 80 other musicians who
[28:44] live throughout prince william
[28:44] county.
[28:45] The groups I'm in perform all
[28:46] throughout prince william
[28:46] county the gainesville all the
[28:51] way down the woodbridge.
[28:51] I would like to speak about
[28:53] item 11 c, the motion to
[28:53] dissolve the prince william
[28:54] county arts council.
[28:54] I'm deeply concerned that
[29:05] action being taken is in haste.
[29:06] I want to explain why the arts
[29:06] council matters but not just to
[29:07] me as a local musician but the
[29:10] volunteer arts groups that
[29:11] serve this county.
[29:12] My first and most serious
[29:12] concern is the lack of notice
[29:13] and transparency.
[29:14] According to the virginia
[29:16] history, item 11 was added
[29:17] DECEMBER 9, one week before the
[29:22] meeting.
[29:23] And I understand even members
[29:23] of the
[29:24] arts councils board were
[29:28] blindsided by the proposal.
[29:28] I played the -- in the prince
[29:33] william county bound and it is
[29:34] an all volunteer nonprofit
[29:34] ensemble.
[29:38] And I perform in a quintet
[29:38] called the queen winds that
[29:39] operate under the bands
[29:48] umbrella.
[29:49] The arts council supports
[29:49] groups like ours.
[29:50] Not just through funding access
[29:51] but coordination, promotion,
[29:53] partnership and institutional
[29:53] knowledge.
[29:54] For example, the arts council
[30:00] help fertility rehearsal and
[30:01] performance space including
[30:02] discounted access to school
[30:06] facilities and community venues
[30:07] eliminating the arts council
[30:07] without a clearly defined
[30:08] operational replacement could
[30:10] make concert programming more
[30:11] difficult and costly for our
[30:16] group.
[30:17] It would also limit our ability
[30:18] to provide free concerts for
[30:20] the community.
[30:21] My quintet has performed over
[30:23] 30 free concerts in the past
[30:30] you three years in addition to
[30:31] the 15 to 20 concerts the
[30:31] principal them community band
[30:35] has put on.
[30:36] Who performed at senior
[30:37] centers, assisted living
[30:38] communities, churches, and
[30:42] county community events
[30:43] .
[30:44] Want to our recent performances
[30:45] at that community day was
[30:46] facilitated directly by the
[30:46] arts council.
[30:47] These connections don't happen
[30:48] automatically.
[30:49] It happened because there's a
[30:58] central county supported body
[30:59] making them happen in arts
[31:00] alive is another example.
[31:01] This festival showcases
[31:01] everyone from small volunteer
[31:04] ensembles to large orchestras,
[31:05] along with dance and visual
[31:05] arts groups
[31:06] from across the
[31:06] county.
[31:07] It takes months and months of
[31:18] planning, and extensive
[31:19] volunteer coordination.
[31:20] The arts alive is a public
[31:21] asset built through long
[31:22] stewardship and turning it over
[31:23] abruptly to private model risks
[31:25] disrupting continuity and
[31:26] eroding community trust.
[31:26] Arts council is helping us plan
[31:27] a woodwind workshop for middle
[31:30] school and high school students
[31:32] , and educational opportunity
[31:33] that would not exist without
[31:39] their coordination.
[31:40] If improvements to the arts
[31:40] councils are needed they need
[31:41] to address the reform and not
[31:42] sudden dissolution.
[31:42] Hat needs
[31:49] to be a viable in place.
[31:50] >> Public Speaker: good
[31:59] afternoon.
[32:00] Thank you for allowing me the
[32:00] opportunity to speak today.
[32:02] My name is carol lee carrington
[32:03] and I am the current elected
[32:04] chair for the prince william
[32:08] county arts council.
[32:09] My roll has included being on
[32:12] the arts council board for the
[32:13] past eight years.
[32:15] I am also the founder of in ceo
[32:15] .
[32:18] I want the state with the
[32:24] utmost respect am disappointed
[32:27] regarding the current proposal
[32:28] for the dissolution of the arts
[32:29] council.
[32:32] Neither I nor the membership
[32:39] were notified of this proposed
[32:39] resolution.
[32:40] The lack of engagement is
[32:44] concerning, particularly as I
[32:45] have sought the opportunities
[32:50] to meet with county leaderships
[32:51] and discuss the challenges
[32:52] facing the arts council on
[32:52] possible solutions.
[32:55] Many of
[32:56] the requests have gone
[32:56] unanswered.
[33:00] While the resolution asserts
[33:01] the current arts council is
[33:02] insufficient to advance the
[33:06] arts grooming, I emphasize
[33:07] dissolving the county arts
[33:11] council would remove public
[33:12] oversight, transparency, and
[33:14] equitable access.
[33:16] as a privately operated model
[33:22] without county oversight
[33:23] ,
[33:23] inherently risks excluding
[33:24] artists, organizations, and
[33:32] community members rely on the
[33:33] fear and inclusive process of
[33:33] the arts council.
[33:34] The arts council currently
[33:35] serve 69 members, which include
[33:38] private artists as well as many
[33:40] organizations.
[33:44] And manages an approved budget
[33:45] and support the growing arts
[33:49] community.
[33:50] These facts demonstrate not
[33:51] failure but the need for
[33:52] collaboration, guidance, and
[33:54] the thoughtful reform.
[33:58] Programs like arts alive have
[33:59] long-standing value as a public
[34:02] benefits and they deserve
[34:14] stewardship that includes
[34:14] accountability.
[34:15] I respectfully urge the board
[34:16] to pause the resolution and
[34:17] engage directly with the arts
[34:18] council leadership and its
[34:18] members
[34:18] .
[34:19] Reform as possible, but it
[34:22] needs to be done with the arts
[34:32] community around it and not
[34:33] excluding us from this process.
[34:34] The dissolution of the arts
[34:35] council at this time without
[34:35] discussion or transparency
[34:36] risks undermining the community
[34:41] and the creative that we serve.
[34:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[34:42] thank you.
[34:45] Next speaker, please
[34:57] .
[34:59] You MAY proceed
[35:00] .
[35:01] >> Public Speaker: MAY speak
[35:02] now?
[35:03] Good afternoon.
[35:05] I'm debbie madsen
[35:05] .
[35:11] i am a former elementary
[35:12] through high school music
[35:12] teacher in prince william
[35:17] county.
[35:18] If you are sitting and can't
[35:19] see me want to turn around,
[35:20] that's okay because I'm used to
[35:21] being at the front of the room.
[35:24] Today we are dealing with the
[35:30] possibility of the arts
[35:30] council.
[35:30] I have a
[35:31] lot of friends in the
[35:34] room today.
[35:35] I'm sure you will heal various
[35:37] things from various people.
[35:39] My thought is I'm in agreement
[35:42] with the first two speakers in
[35:49] that this proposal appeared
[35:49] very suddenly.
[35:50] When I was working and was a
[35:51] board member of the arts
[35:55] council and the leader of one
[35:56] hour small groups, if I wanted
[36:03] to have a meeting I had to
[36:04] announce it publicly a certain
[36:05] amount of ahead of time so
[36:08] anyone could attend the
[36:12] discussion at those meetings.
[36:13] As I was leaving the house to
[36:16] date my husband who is also in
[36:18] a band got an email this was
[36:25] going to be brought up today.
[36:26] My proposal is that you listen
[36:27] carefully to all the people who
[36:27] speak.
[36:36] I think perhaps a pause is a
[36:36] good idea.
[36:37] I am the mother of a ballerina
[36:38] so I know some of the ballet
[36:40] stories
[36:43] .
[36:44] If you don't know the story of
[36:45] sleeping beauty from having
[36:45] been to the ballet, you MAY
[36:46] have seen the movie as a child.
[36:47] Sleeping beauty is supposed to
[36:48] die when she parks her finger,
[36:52] but I think in the ballet it's
[36:55] the violet very arrives and
[37:03] changes that to falling asleep.
[37:05] I don't know if we can propose
[37:09] a little more time to consider
[37:09] what we are going to do with
[37:12] sleeping beauty here.
[37:14] I know your jobs are difficult
[37:15] .
[37:18] But I think you need to hear
[37:23] from people.
[37:24] He talked about the large
[37:39] presence we have here today.
[37:40] The bands, the choirs, the
[37:41] orchestras, the dance
[37:42] organizations, the arts
[37:42] organizations, the people
[37:43] putting on plays.
[37:44] We could not fit them all in
[37:45] this room door in that room nor
[37:46] even throughout the building.
[37:47] We are representing a lot of
[37:47] people.
[37:48] That is really all I have to
[37:52] say.
[37:53] Please think carefully about
[37:53] this decision today and if
[38:02] there is a way to postpone it
[38:03] or get input or develop a small
[38:03] group that can help and advice
[38:04] you, perhaps that's a
[38:08] possibility.
[38:09] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[38:10] before you leave say where you
[38:11] reside because he didn't say
[38:14] that at the top.
[38:15] >> Public Speaker: and from
[38:15] neabsco.
[38:17] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[38:17] and carol lee, if you can see
[38:18] where you resign.
[38:19] Masking karoly now if she can
[38:21] go to the microphone.
[38:25] She also didn't mention that.
[38:26] >> Public Speaker: we are just
[38:27] passionate and forgot where we
[38:30] are from.
[38:31] >> Public Speaker: I am
[38:45] carefully parent carrington
[38:47] from the gainesville district.
[38:48] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[38:49] I've got to get better with
[38:49] that.
[38:50] That is one of my new year's
[38:50] resolutions.
[38:51] State your name and where
[38:51] you're from.
[38:52] >> Public Speaker: originally
[38:53] from ohio but I have lived in
[38:54] prince william county since
[38:55] 1980 and I live in the coles
[38:55] district.
[38:56] My name is susie.
[38:56] I have been involved with
[38:58] theater probably since I came
[38:59] out of the
[39:03] womb, or so my
[39:04] mother has said.
[39:05] When I moved to this county
[39:05] there was not very much to do
[39:08] when it came to theater.
[39:09] A few friends of mine, we got
[39:14] together and created prince
[39:14] william theater.
[39:15] As of OCTOBER we are 41 years
[39:19] going.
[39:19] Right from the very beginning
[39:22] the government of the county
[39:23] has at a grant system that has
[39:25] supported us
[39:26] .
[39:30] Up until last year we still
[39:31] continued to get great things
[39:34] from the arts council we have a
[39:36] lot of great programs we have
[39:37] because of the grants we
[39:37] received.
[39:43] Now, I am here
[39:44] because I'm a member and
[39:44] director of prince william
[39:57] little theater, but I also
[39:57] speak on behalf of all of the
[39:58] arts organizations.
[39:59] I agree with the ladies who
[40:00] spoke before me.
[40:00] A little history.
[40:01] There used to be an
[40:01] organization called the
[40:02] cultural arts federation.
[40:03] And they are sort of what
[40:05] grants were funneled through.
[40:06] It worked very well for many
[40:07] years and then we got up to
[40:07] 22
[40:09] members, much less than what
[40:13] we have now.
[40:14] The park authority decided it
[40:20] was best they take over the
[40:20] granting and facilitate.
[40:21] From that became the arts
[40:22] council.
[40:29] It has been a continuous thing.
[40:30] I do hope as the young ladies
[40:30] that spoke before me, because I
[40:35] am the oldest person here, that
[40:36] you take time to think about
[40:36] it.
[40:36] Artists are very special
[40:42] people.
[40:43] We think differently.
[40:44] I am married to an attorney.
[40:44] He has
[40:45] the greatest left brain
[40:46] I've ever seen but I am all
[40:46] right brain.
[40:48] We work together really well
[40:48] .
[40:49] I hope that you will listen to
[40:52] some of these people who really
[41:01] believe in what they do because
[41:02] they are volunteers.
[41:03] Prince william theater is a
[41:03] total volunteer organization.
[41:05] Most of these organizations of
[41:06] people do them because they
[41:07] love what they do and they
[41:08] don't expect anything out of it
[41:15] except some joy and to get back
[41:16] joy.
[41:16] Now I'm going to give you back
[41:17] your 44 seconds.
[41:18] Thank you very much.
[41:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[41:20] thank you.
[41:20] I don't know is if.
[41:21] [Name] Wanted to speak, but if
[41:24] so -- okay.
[41:25] All right.
[41:29] I just didn't mark you.
[41:30] Rob thompson, herb williams,
[41:34] don
[41:38] .
[41:46] ?
[42:01] And season.
[42:02] You MAY proceed.
[42:03] >> Public Speaker: thank you
[42:04] councilmembers for having us
[42:06] here today.
[42:07] My name is bob thompson.
[42:08] I'm the current PRESIDENT Of
[42:09] prince william little theater.
[42:10] I work with susie almost on the
[42:13] daily.
[42:14] We are members of the board.
[42:17] As you mentioned, prince little
[42:18] theater is 41 years old and
[42:18] growing strong.
[42:24] We have been an original member
[42:25] of the council going back 41
[42:31] years.
[42:32] The process of this again, I
[42:34] disagree with the fact the
[42:38] county came up suddenly.
[42:39] I didn't know anything about it
[42:46] being the PRESIDENT On the
[42:46] board and the company that
[42:47] people start calling me saying
[42:48] to do know about this?
[42:49] This is happening tomorrow.
[42:50] Nd you get there and say
[42:50] something?
[42:50] I looked it up.
[42:54] I have someone send me the
[42:55] resolutions.
[42:55] I'm surprised.
[43:01] I know that there been problems
[43:01] .
[43:02] I've been to several arts
[43:03] council meetings.
[43:03] Having a very good standing
[43:04] with them.
[43:04] I did find there
[43:05] were some issues and things
[43:11] that can be worked out.
[43:11] As a member of several boards
[43:12] I've been a theater member for
[43:13] 30 years and I have been on the
[43:15] corporate councils as a senior
[43:19] arts director marketing person.
[43:20] I know there are problems,
[43:21] their communication
[43:26] issues.
[43:27] i don't know how far back this
[43:28] goes with you all, but for us
[43:36] to hear about it now is a
[43:37] little except upsetting.
[43:38] I might call for a delay so it
[43:39] could be properly discussed so
[43:40] that we the arts members can be
[43:40] included in this
[43:48] .
[43:49] As I see it, it is almost a
[43:50] done fact and I would like the
[43:51] fact to be researched.
[43:53] It would be very important.
[43:54] I was told the money will keep
[43:55] coming.
[43:55] The grant money will still be
[43:56] there and we will still get it.
[44:01] My worry is when the council is
[44:02] dissolved, what the process
[44:11] going to be?
[44:12] Form a new one, start from
[44:12] scratch.
[44:13] Know it comes from
[44:14] the park authority and I
[44:14] appreciate that.
[44:15] I trusted them but I wonder if
[44:16] this process has been thought
[44:18] through enough as we depend a
[44:24] lot on this money
[44:24] .
[44:25] As soon as you said we are
[44:25] volunteers.
[44:26] We are constantly begging for
[44:26] sponsors
[44:27] .
[44:30] Anybody to come help us
[44:31] overcome expenses and put on
[44:32] the kind of art we like to put
[44:35] forward to in the residence
[44:37] outside.
[44:42] On that point I feel, I would
[44:43] like to call for a delay in a
[44:47] discussion in a public basis is
[45:04] amount to look into this and
[45:05] avoid an arts meltdown in the
[45:05] county.
[45:07] Again, thank you for your time.
[45:08] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[45:09] what magisterial district are
[45:09] you.
[45:10] > Public Speaker: I knew
[45:10] that was going to happen.
[45:11] I live in manassas
[45:13] but I am the
[45:13] coles district.
[45:14] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[45:15] thank you.
[45:16] Next speaker, please pick.
[45:17] >> Public Speaker: I am season.
[45:18] I need to switch because I have
[45:22] a concert at 3:30 P.M. I live
[45:23] in manassas but I have been a
[45:24] prince william county teacher.
[45:25] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[45:26] what magisterial district.
[45:27] >> Public Speaker: city of
[45:27] manassas.
[45:30] I am a board member on the arts
[45:30] council.
[45:34] I am also chair the arts and
[45:35] education committee bringing
[45:36] arts to the students and
[45:36] students to the arts.
[45:39] In fact, we friday group from
[45:40] patriot high school coming into
[45:41] art factory to do an art
[45:44] gallery tour and an art
[45:47] painting demonstration and they
[45:48] can take if you will with an
[45:50] artist from this area.
[46:02] I would like to thank you for
[46:03] your continued support for so
[46:04] many years.
[46:04] I have only been a member.
[46:05] This is my fourth year once I
[46:05] retired.
[46:06] Masses and you are not doing
[46:07] anything tuesday nights.
[46:08] Why don't you go.
[46:08] And I said yes.
[46:09] I love the arts in expression
[46:13] and ability to have for people
[46:14] to just grow as human beings.
[46:18] You get the many volunteers an
[46:18] opportunity to serve and share
[46:26] the arts in our community.
[46:26] I would ask you listen
[46:27] carefully to the speakers
[46:28] today.
[46:28] I've heard statements i
[46:29] totally agree with about the
[46:37] arts council.
[46:38] I think we have room to grow
[46:38] together, to work together as
[46:39] the board, the arts council,
[46:42] board of supervisors and anyone
[46:42] that can help bring forward
[46:43] what needs to happen in order
[46:44] for the arts council to
[46:45] continue.
[46:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[46:53] next speaker, please.
[46:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[47:01] you can adjust it.
[47:02] >> Public Speaker: my name is
[47:03] herbert williams
[47:04] .
[47:06] I'm a resident of woodbridge.
[47:16] Chair, members of the board and
[47:17] on executives of the public.
[47:18] Before I speak about the
[47:19] resolution to dissolve the arts
[47:19] council I need to speak clearly
[47:20] and directly about myself
[47:21] because decisions like this are
[47:22] being made without the full
[47:25] truth of what happened in my
[47:26] name has been used without my
[47:28] voice on numerous occasions
[47:36] .
[47:37] My name is herb williams.
[47:37] Of
[47:37] professional arts
[47:39] administrator, educator and
[47:39] performer with 35 years of
[47:40] experience.
[47:40] Accepted the roll of the arts
[47:42] integration specialist in 2022.
[47:47] Because I believe prince
[47:51] william county is ready to
[47:52] build an arts ecosystem that
[47:53] was equitable, visible, and
[47:56] intentional not symbolic.
[48:00] I did not walk away lightly and
[48:01] I did not walk away and
[48:01] possibly
[48:02] .
[48:05] Walked away because remaining
[48:08] would have required my silence
[48:09] in the face of practices I knew
[48:17] were wrong.
[48:19] Early in my tenant and began to
[48:19] encounter conditions that
[48:20] obstructed the work was hired
[48:24] to do.
[48:24] Programs approved by my
[48:25] immediate supervisor were later
[48:30] removed without explanation.
[48:31] Volunteer leaders and arts
[48:37] council members were dismissed
[48:39] ,
[48:40] talked down to, by two or
[48:40] undermined.
[48:41] Ethics to engage youth,
[48:42] emerging artists, and
[48:42] underrepresented communities
[48:43] were slowed and discouraged.
[48:45] I was repeatedly questioned for
[48:47] taking initiatives all being
[48:48] given no meaningful pathway to
[48:53] advance the work
[48:53] .
[48:54] At the same time I was asked to
[48:55] maintain the appearance of
[48:56] progress.
[48:59] In this moment I realize
[48:59] something critical.
[49:05] The issue
[49:06] is not capacity, the issue was
[49:06] not structure, the issue was
[49:08] will.
[49:11] I did not come in with what I
[49:15] believe is a responsible county
[49:17] employees should do.
[49:20] I wasn't capable of doing in
[49:22] that situation so I worked
[49:26] around it.
[49:27] I raised questions, reached out
[49:31] to supervisors not to secure or
[49:35] accuse anything, but to explain
[49:36] .
[49:37] I offered solutions grounded in
[49:39] professional experience
[49:40] .
[49:41] I work beyond my paid hours ago
[49:47] represented prince with them
[49:47] county in regional spaces and
[49:48] returned those resources
[49:49] directly back to the arts
[49:50] council because integrity
[49:56] mattered to me
[49:56] .
[49:57] There were only two supervisors
[49:58] I was able to have listened to
[50:02] gain audience with the.
[50:03] One by telephone, which was a
[50:03] 45 minute conversation with
[50:09] supervisor bailey.
[50:10] The next was supervisor angry
[50:14] who sat with me on a sunday and
[50:15] previously after that on a
[50:15] saturday.
[50:21] There comes a point public
[50:22] service when you must decide
[50:23] whether your roll is to comply
[50:28] or protect the mission.
[50:29] I was told directly by the
[50:29] director, overseeing the arts
[50:30] council that it was his hope
[50:31] the arts council.
[50:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[50:36] I apologize.
[50:37] Our timer went down.
[50:38] You have gone over the three
[50:39] minutes but thank you.
[50:41] I apologize
[50:41] .
[50:41] Thank you.
[50:47] >> Public Speaker: good
[50:53] afternoon MADAM Chair and
[50:54] supervisors.
[50:54] My name is don.
[50:55] I live in the woodbridge
[50:59] district.
[51:00] I am elected on the arts
[51:01] council the vice chair
[51:03] programming, also the appointee
[51:04] of occoquan district supervisor
[51:05] boddye.
[51:05] Today I speak on behalf of
[51:09] myself and my position as
[51:10] someone involved in the arts
[51:12] and arts community with my own
[51:15] business as well as a poet, a
[51:19] writer and an author.
[51:20] And I sat on the board for the
[51:24] past two years.
[51:24] I want to speak to the lack of
[51:27] notice and transparency of the
[51:29] request for the disillusion on
[51:30] the agenda.
[51:34] We were not notified
[51:35] , nor is a
[51:36] member of the arts council
[51:37] .
[51:39] Having to participate as vice
[51:40] chair programming in any
[51:44] meeting we have with a small
[51:44] group or
[51:45] council group or
[51:48] changes, the notification
[51:49] required with 3 to 5 days
[51:50] business days notice we were
[51:55] not given any type of notice
[51:55] like that.
[51:56] I want to speak to the lack of
[51:59] communication with us as a
[52:00] board regarding lawrence
[52:01] council with whatever issues
[52:04] have been going on to come to
[52:09] the point of dissolution.
[52:10] I do agree that there have been
[52:11] several issues with arts
[52:12] council, especially within the
[52:15] past 4 to 6 months.
[52:15] I never thought it would be
[52:18] something we could not work
[52:19] through, talked through and
[52:19] come to some type of
[52:25] resolution.
[52:26] I would like to ask for a
[52:27] weight, and delay in the
[52:34] dissolving of the arts council
[52:35] and see what we can do to bring
[52:35] it together.
[52:37] Roles and responsibilities need
[52:38] to be better defined and take a
[52:38] look at the charter as there
[52:42] were mistakes and that.
[52:43] For example, the one we had
[52:44] still said tourism, but it was
[52:45] being handled by the department
[52:53] of parks and recreation.
[52:54] I just want to request there be
[52:56] a delay in the dissolution the
[52:56] arts council.
[52:57] The arts council serves a great
[52:58] purpose in the community and
[53:03] under working hard with the
[53:03] member the arts council to
[53:04] spread the word about the arts
[53:05] council because so many
[53:06] residents in prince william
[53:13] county are not aware of the
[53:14] arts council and the work they
[53:15] do but they want to be
[53:15] represented.
[53:16] I had the opportunity to
[53:16] participate in victor increase
[53:17] community day.
[53:18] I did a tent in the park to let
[53:23] residents know about arts
[53:24] council and it was wonderful.
[53:25] So many people learned about
[53:26] the arts council and I got to
[53:38] give away all the -- to the
[53:38] people in the community and
[53:39] they wanted to know how they
[53:40] could be a part.
[53:41] It would be sad to see this go
[53:41] and it was
[53:42] something that is
[53:42] definitely needed.
[53:43] I think if we put our heads
[53:44] together we can make it better
[53:44] than it ever has been.
[53:45] Thank you for your time.
[53:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[53:46] thank you.
[53:50] And I would like to have kelly
[53:59] and jill.
[54:00] >> Public Speaker: good
[54:14] afternoon MADAM Chair.
[54:15] My name is kelly and I am a
[54:16] prince william county full-time
[54:17] artist and ceo of minor
[54:17] miracles, PRESIDENT Of art of
[54:18] life charities, and all
[54:19] volunteer prince william county
[54:20] based nonprofit 501(C)(3),
[54:21] current secretary in
[54:22] brentsville district appointee
[54:25] for supervisor gordy and I have
[54:26] been volunteering with arts
[54:26] council in several capacities
[54:27] since 2019 and I've been in the
[54:28] county and the brentsville
[54:29] district since 1998.
[54:30] I'm taken back as everyone
[54:31] mentioned by the total lack of
[54:31] transparency and communication
[54:40] and plans
[54:41] , especially plans
[54:42] regarding a motion to dissolve
[54:42] the arts council.
[54:43] In less than two weeks from
[54:43] today.
[54:44] This is an important counsel
[54:45] that has been around for
[54:45] decades
[54:46] the prince william county
[54:47] strategic plan, which is
[54:55] mentioned in this motion states
[54:56] enhanced opportunities for
[54:57] engagement and communication
[54:58] between the public and county
[54:59] government fostering dialogue,
[55:00] feedback and follow-up to
[55:01] promote the shared
[55:01] trust,
[55:02] understanding and transparency.
[55:03] Including formalized response
[55:04] time and metrics.
[55:06] The arts council chair and
[55:07] executive board were not
[55:10] consulted at all.
[55:11] The dissolution motion states
[55:12] whereas the county arts
[55:12] community is growing at a
[55:14] fast-paced.
[55:18] Or of the data and metrics
[55:19] provided for the statement.
[55:20] The motion also states existing
[55:23] arts council is not conducive
[55:24] for advancing arts programming
[55:32] in education at the pace and
[55:33] skill appropriate for a
[55:34] community the size of prince
[55:34] william.
[55:35] Did you know each of the arts
[55:36] council allocated $65,000 for
[55:39] the entire programs and is
[55:40] denied funding for proposed
[55:42] ideas recommended by the arts
[55:43] council.
[55:44] Each of the unused money goes
[55:49] back for whatever nonrelated,
[55:50] non-art related projects but
[55:58] the director feels should be
[55:59] used for motion states greeting
[56:00] an opportunity to explore a new
[56:00] organizational
[56:01] model to
[56:02] accelerate the county strategic
[56:02] plan goals.
[56:03] Do you have a copy of the new
[56:04] organizational plan model?
[56:07] What part are you referring to
[56:08] as you are accelerating by
[56:09] dissolving the council.
[56:18] The strategic plan innovate and
[56:19] localize how the county
[56:20] communicates, delivers, and
[56:21] engages the dissolution of the
[56:22] motion of the arts council
[56:23] states transitioning all county
[56:24] aren't events to a private
[56:25] entity.
[56:26] I could go on but I wanted to
[56:27] say was recently voted as the
[56:28] public arts task force person
[56:31] as I been on a track to get
[56:32] prompt public art in our county
[56:34] for years since 2022, but I've
[56:48] learned that can't happen until
[56:49] we have a public art policy in
[56:49] place.
[56:50] We can't even a public art
[56:50] until the policies in place,
[56:51] which won't happen until the
[56:52] earliest 2027 which doesn't
[56:53] align with your strategic plan.
[56:54] As county supervisors if you
[56:55] don't have the answers to the
[56:56] questions a more which I don't
[56:59] have time to tell you about,
[57:00] you cannot good faith but the
[57:01] motion forward.
[57:02] This motion should be denied
[57:02] and that should be discussed
[57:03] with arts council team and the
[57:06] board and I wish director voss
[57:07] and the team are here today to
[57:09] address this important thing.
[57:09] Thank you.
[57:10] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[57:20] next speaker, please.
[57:21] >> Public Speaker: my name is
[57:22] jill and I'm the executive
[57:22] director of the northern
[57:23] virginia affordable housing
[57:24] lien so thank you for the
[57:26] opportunity to speak today show
[57:27] support for item 11 which is
[57:27] the resolution to
[57:28] address
[57:28] housing obtain ability fast
[57:33] track measures.
[57:33] As board of county supervisors
[57:34] past housing chapter the comp
[57:35] plan, just over three years ago
[57:36] to date we know you been
[57:37] working hard to address housing
[57:39] of art ability by improving the
[57:40] affordable dwelling unit
[57:41] ordinance and the affordable
[57:53] housing fund and the guidelines
[57:54] to support that fund, which we
[57:55] know where to best practices we
[57:56] know this work has been patient
[57:57] and slow and so I commend your
[57:58] consideration to look at
[57:59] additional methods to fast
[57:59] track or green tape housing
[58:00] projects that address housing
[58:08] affordability.
[58:08] Before initiatives ranging from
[58:09] using land owned by faith
[58:10] communities to access a really
[58:11] living units to dining homes to
[58:12] using county owned land to help
[58:14] develop attainable housing.
[58:17] We
[58:17] are seeing this happen in
[58:18] another jurisdiction so
[58:21] appreciate prince william
[58:27] county is taking a look at it.
[58:28] Think it is a potential to
[58:29] address housing affordability
[58:30] issues in the county.
[58:36] Thank you for the time.
[58:37] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[58:38] thank you so very much.
[58:39] We don't have anyone signed up.
[58:39] I ask everyone to make sure you
[58:40] have a seat if you are going to
[58:45] be in board chambers.
[58:45] Not my role, fire marshal.
[58:46] I am now going to go to promote
[58:47] public comment time.
[58:48] supervisor bailey.
[58:48] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[58:49] thank you very much.
[58:50] Are we ready to start?
[58:56] !
[58:56] Good afternoon.
[58:57] Yes, we are.
[58:57] Our first speaker will be MISS
[58:58] Sarah.
[58:59] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[59:01] you can begin, please.
[59:10] >> Public Speaker: I am sarah
[59:11] and I reside in the brentsville
[59:11] district.
[59:12] I am a resident in my family
[59:13] and I are fortunate to own a
[59:21] home that backed up to the open
[59:22] wooded space in the community.
[59:23] The proposed dominion energy
[59:24] blue line will destroy the land
[59:25] in place powerlines incredibly
[59:26] close to my private backyard.
[59:27] Here to say, think that ask you
[59:28] to insert your authority until
[59:28] dominion energy that you would
[59:32] not approved the easements for
[59:32] the roof I blue line
[59:39] transmission.
[59:39] We need you to wait for
[59:40] dominion energy to file with
[59:44] the fcc in 2026 or it will be
[59:54] too late.
[59:55] 70 percent of projects filed or
[59:55] approved.
[59:57] The best time to stockton is
[1:00:08] before they are filed.
[1:00:08] We know that you have said no
[1:00:09] to dominion before.
[1:00:10] In fact, that happen twice.
[1:00:11] The board stopped dominion for
[1:00:14] the carver road project and
[1:00:15] horn baker proposed routes
[1:00:16] forcing dominion to find the
[1:00:17] other routes peer group 5 goes
[1:00:18] through county protected open
[1:00:20] space as well as ghostly
[1:00:24] protective conservation area on
[1:00:27] patriot high school.
[1:00:28] Route 5 goes did the county
[1:00:30] parkland.
[1:00:31] this will destroy the areas
[1:00:37] whether they are above or below
[1:00:37] ground.
[1:00:38] These would cause even more
[1:00:39] devastation in place a line in
[1:00:41] between a natural gas and oil
[1:00:44] line, which is very dangerous
[1:00:45] to give aboveground the towers
[1:00:54] would cause approximately 30
[1:00:54] percent lower property values,
[1:00:55] as well as being extremely
[1:00:56] close to our backyards.
[1:00:57] Route 5 will be closed at
[1:00:58] patriot high school and t clay
[1:00:58] wood elementary school.
[1:01:01] On the areas listed above under
[1:01:02] the county jurisdiction
[1:01:02] .
[1:01:06] In order to move forward,
[1:01:07] dominion needs you to grant
[1:01:11] easements across these areas
[1:01:17] along the route 5 blueline.
[1:01:17] Us the board don't have to
[1:01:18] grant these easements.
[1:01:21] You can say no to dominion
[1:01:22] route 5 blueline now.
[1:01:27] Thank you very much.
[1:01:28] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:01:30] next speaker, please.
[1:01:51] MS. Gardner, please begin.
[1:01:52] >> Public Speaker: good
[1:01:53] afternoon board, county
[1:01:54] supervisors thank you for
[1:01:54] allowing me to speak today.
[1:01:55] Eitan katie gardner.
[1:01:57] I live in the brentsville
[1:01:57] district and I too am here to
[1:01:58] talk about urging you to stop
[1:01:59] dominion in the jeep proposed
[1:02:02] blueline.
[1:02:03] I speak with the perspective as
[1:02:04] a mother of four and a proud
[1:02:07] military wife
[1:02:08] .
[1:02:09] My family chose to live in
[1:02:10] prince william county three
[1:02:15] years ago when we moved here
[1:02:16] after much research.
[1:02:17] I have loved every moment of
[1:02:18] living here in prince william
[1:02:20] county.
[1:02:21] I have lived all over the
[1:02:22] country and I can say prince
[1:02:23] william county to meet is the
[1:02:24] closest and it's really great
[1:02:28] and I love it so much
[1:02:28] .
[1:02:29] I feel like that vision is
[1:02:30] about to shatter at the
[1:02:31] proposed powerline route gets
[1:02:32] approved.
[1:02:32] The blue line 1. I'm really
[1:02:36] worried about it even reaching
[1:02:38] the ssc.
[1:02:41] As many of spoken before behind
[1:02:42] where I live is a bunch of
[1:02:53] woods where my children spend
[1:02:53] their entire summers.
[1:02:54] They are often out exploring,
[1:02:55] building, experiencing
[1:02:57] childhood as it should be.
[1:02:58] But this blueline will destroy
[1:03:07] this natural habitat, eliminate
[1:03:08] their safe outdoor space in but
[1:03:09] hazardous, noisy, industrial I
[1:03:10] sort right where they used to
[1:03:10] play.
[1:03:11] It will kill the wildlife,/are
[1:03:12] property values and limit our
[1:03:13] children's option for outdoor
[1:03:13] play.
[1:03:14] We cannot allow taxpayer
[1:03:20] dollars to fund this expensive
[1:03:20] extension cord for data centers
[1:03:22] for the project prioritizes
[1:03:23] temporary needs over the
[1:03:25] long-term well-being of
[1:03:28] citizens you represent.
[1:03:32] I implore you to consider this
[1:03:33] long-term impact on the
[1:03:33] community.
[1:03:34] Is another county plans on
[1:03:35] extending the four your
[1:03:46] assignment with the space for
[1:03:47] us to try to live here longer
[1:03:48] because we love it here so
[1:03:48] much.
[1:03:49] If the towers are built I see
[1:03:49] no other option than moving
[1:03:52] away once his assignment ends,
[1:03:53] which absolutely breaks my
[1:03:53] heart.
[1:03:54] I recommended prince william
[1:03:56] county to so many fellow
[1:03:56] military families, and I
[1:03:57] believe this is a great place
[1:04:00] to live.
[1:04:00] If corporate needs are deemed
[1:04:11] more important than citizens, I
[1:04:12] feel like I can no longer
[1:04:12] represent this area.
[1:04:13] Prince william county risks not
[1:04:14] just losing my family but
[1:04:16] damaging its reputation and
[1:04:16] jeopardizing future military
[1:04:17] connected schools enrollment
[1:04:17] and funding.
[1:04:18] We believe you have the power
[1:04:19] to stop this before dominion
[1:04:33] files we are desperate and
[1:04:34] can't do it without you.
[1:04:34] I urge you to vote no and
[1:04:36] protect our community and
[1:04:37] children in the high quality of
[1:04:38] life that makes prince william
[1:04:39] county so special.
[1:04:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:04:41] next speaker, please.
[1:04:42] >> our next is david.
[1:04:42] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:04:43] please begin.
[1:04:47] >> Public Speaker: david.
[1:04:47] I also live in the bristow,
[1:04:48] part of the brentsville
[1:04:50] district.
[1:04:51] I am here talking on the same
[1:04:54] issue, the blue line.
[1:04:55] I work from home several days a
[1:04:57] week.
[1:04:57] My window looks out on a
[1:04:59] beautiful tree line the homes
[1:05:06] behind me.
[1:05:07] If dominion comes in, they are
[1:05:08] going to destroy these trees
[1:05:13] and destroy the habitat.
[1:05:13] I walk, I run, my children walk
[1:05:14] and run along the path into the
[1:05:15] parkland
[1:05:15] on the roadways here.
[1:05:20] It will be ruined.
[1:05:20] i get up in the morning, I see
[1:05:21] deer and coyote, fox and
[1:05:22] raccoon
[1:05:22] .
[1:05:24] We have endangered toads around
[1:05:25] the area.
[1:05:29] The blue line will destroy
[1:05:29] that.
[1:05:30] I'm concerned about my
[1:05:30] neighbors
[1:05:44] .
[1:05:45] I am from california when I
[1:05:46] went to high school and college
[1:05:47] become seen the devastation
[1:05:48] wildfires cause, but I see what
[1:05:49] happens after the fact when the
[1:05:50] vegetation and the trees are
[1:05:51] gone, the homes on mountain
[1:05:52] corridor on home hills and if
[1:05:53] the trees are gone, what's
[1:05:53] going to happen with the
[1:05:54] weather roshan?
[1:05:55] When I went to a dominion
[1:05:55] valley meeting they said the
[1:05:58] roots are still there.
[1:05:59] Roots are biodegradable.
[1:06:00] Those will go away at some
[1:06:01] point.
[1:06:02] My final thing I want to bring
[1:06:06] up is we commended the first
[1:06:09] responders in lakeridge with
[1:06:12] the gas leak and I commend
[1:06:12] them.
[1:06:13] Hat is a dangerous,
[1:06:15] scary situation.
[1:06:16] What we are talking about here
[1:06:17] could happen.
[1:06:19] Think about it.
[1:06:22] Dominion energy wants to put a
[1:06:32] high intensity powerline right
[1:06:32] between two highly flammable
[1:06:33] gas lines what if the same
[1:06:34] situation was to happen here in
[1:06:35] bristow with all of these homes
[1:06:38] with the schools in an ignition
[1:06:45] system for flammable gas.
[1:06:45] This is not safe for our
[1:06:46] families and neighborhood.
[1:06:47] I've been told dominion energy
[1:06:50] will ask the recommendation of
[1:06:51] the board of supervisors
[1:06:51] , in
[1:06:54] particular a representative for
[1:06:56] the brentsville district.
[1:06:57] For recommendation of which
[1:07:02] line to take.
[1:07:03] I don't like any of the lines I
[1:07:04] know it affects everyone,
[1:07:08] including my supervisor.
[1:07:13] With the power to say no
[1:07:14] .
[1:07:15] You do have the
[1:07:15] power to say no
[1:07:16] or not recommend, not give them
[1:07:19] easements.
[1:07:19] We need you to not allow
[1:07:27] dominion energy to move forward
[1:07:29] .
[1:07:30] I can only speak to the
[1:07:31] blueline because of my concerns
[1:07:32] about the effect on the
[1:07:32] environment and the safety
[1:07:33] issues that we have and again,
[1:07:36] you commended first responders.
[1:07:37] I don't want them down that
[1:07:42] risk.
[1:07:43] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:07:43] thank you.
[1:07:43] Next speaker.
[1:07:47] >> next speaker is steve.
[1:07:48] >> Public Speaker: good
[1:07:49] afternoon board members
[1:07:50] .
[1:07:51] I'm steve from the occoquan
[1:07:57] district.
[1:07:58] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:07:58] could you speak louder.
[1:07:59] >> Public Speaker: how is
[1:08:00] that?
[1:08:01] My remarks this afternoon are
[1:08:05] going to address item 7-a
[1:08:06] ,
[1:08:07] dumped local foundation and
[1:08:08] soil management ordinance
[1:08:11] countywide.
[1:08:12] Why is the board considering
[1:08:15] the tax payer money to support
[1:08:16] private and commercial
[1:08:17] foundation repairs?
[1:08:17] Es, i
[1:08:18] understand the state has passed
[1:08:23] the bill in the governor signed
[1:08:23] it this year.
[1:08:27] This initiative needs to not be
[1:08:28] supported.
[1:08:29] The majority party in the board
[1:08:29] of county supervisors has been
[1:08:36] touting housing affordability
[1:08:37] for the past 2+ years.
[1:08:38] Now with the
[1:08:38] passage of the
[1:08:41] board, if it is passed today
[1:08:41] ,
[1:08:42] property owners would be tasked
[1:08:47] more the fund an additional
[1:08:47] initiative.
[1:08:48] This foundation repair
[1:08:48] initiative.
[1:08:51] This initiative counters the
[1:08:54] majority housing affordability
[1:08:56] awareness because property
[1:08:59] owners are going to be taxed
[1:09:00] significantly more to fund this
[1:09:02] initiative.
[1:09:03] Foundation repair companies
[1:09:06] have financed vehicles on
[1:09:07] property owners to have their
[1:09:10] repairs funded.
[1:09:11] I'm familiar with this as I
[1:09:12] recently had foundation repairs
[1:09:14] completed on our home
[1:09:15] .
[1:09:16] Now the board is going to be a
[1:09:22] financial institute to fund
[1:09:23] private commercial foundation
[1:09:23] repairs.
[1:09:24] Ome will have to
[1:09:28] manage this program.
[1:09:28] Now the county would have to
[1:09:29] add more fte in the future
[1:09:30] budget to which is a permanent
[1:09:33] cost because they're going to
[1:09:34] have to be tax on property
[1:09:38] owners to pay for the new fte
[1:09:39] and their
[1:09:39] perpetual benefits.
[1:09:44] My additional concerns are why
[1:09:45] should the prince william
[1:09:46] county government take on the
[1:09:47] roll to be responsible for
[1:09:50] repairing the private and
[1:09:52] community commercial property
[1:09:52] in the county.
[1:09:54] We can say no.
[1:09:57] Is this grant free money or
[1:10:10] loan interest to grant loan.
[1:10:11] How and what accountability
[1:10:11] safeguards will be established
[1:10:12] to ensure fairness,
[1:10:13] transparency, accuracy and
[1:10:14] inspection reports?
[1:10:14] His is
[1:10:15] the draft ordinance and there
[1:10:16] is nothing in there about
[1:10:16] accountability and how to keep
[1:10:18] people accountable.
[1:10:19] Foundation repairs are the
[1:10:19] responsibility of the
[1:10:20] homeowners.
[1:10:21] Developers and insurance
[1:10:21] companies
[1:10:21] .
[1:10:22] Not in prince william county.
[1:10:24] I urge you to vote no and item
[1:10:28] 7-8.
[1:10:29] I know this ordinance has been
[1:10:38] brought up three times in 2025
[1:10:38] before the board.
[1:10:39] And so I urge you to vote no on
[1:10:40] this thank you.
[1:10:40] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:10:41] thank you.
[1:10:46] Next speaker.
[1:10:47] >> there are no more speakers.
[1:10:48] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:10:49] thank you very much for your
[1:10:49] help.
[1:10:50] MADAM Chair, back to you.
[1:10:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:10:54] thank you so very much.
[1:10:55] That is our public comment
[1:10:56] time.
[1:10:56] We are now going to go to
[1:10:57] agenda item 7. And that is
[1:11:01] public hearings.
[1:11:03] I am just waiting for the list.
[1:11:06] All right.
[1:11:06] I'm going to open the public
[1:11:07] hearing.
[1:11:09] We do not have any
[1:11:09] speakers in person.
[1:11:13] Do we have
[1:11:13] anyone online.
[1:11:14] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:11:19] we have two people, so I see.
[1:11:20] >> MADAM Vice chair, we have
[1:11:20] nobody online at this time.
[1:11:24] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:11:25] thank you so much.
[1:11:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:11:27] leave no one in person, no one
[1:11:27] online.
[1:11:28] I'm going to close the public
[1:11:34] hearings suit 478 through I.
[1:11:39] Going to separate out 7a
[1:11:40] because I know there will be
[1:11:41] robust discussion and I will
[1:11:43] take that at the end.
[1:11:43] Does anyone have anything else
[1:11:45] they want me to separate?
[1:11:46] >> is the public hearing
[1:11:47] closed?
[1:11:50] I did not hear.
[1:11:51] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:11:54] it is closed.
[1:11:55] >> I'm sorry.
[1:12:00] There is one person online to
[1:12:01] talk if you can still do so.
[1:12:01] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:12:02] I will open the public hearing
[1:12:03] to accommodate the gentleman
[1:12:07] available online to speak.
[1:12:08] >> I can't hear, they are
[1:12:16] muted.
[1:12:17] Hold on one second.
[1:12:19] Is he
[1:12:21] allowed to speak?
[1:12:22] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:12:24] he is.
[1:12:32] >> go ahead.
[1:12:33] >> Public Speaker: can you hear
[1:12:33] me okay?
[1:12:34] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I
[1:12:34] can.
[1:12:35] Thank you.
[1:12:37] >> Public Speaker: for a second
[1:12:38] I thought I was going to be cut
[1:12:38] off.
[1:12:40] I am jack from the woodbridge
[1:12:44] magisterial district.
[1:12:44] thank you for the opportunity
[1:12:49] to speak today.
[1:12:50] I appreciate the board of
[1:12:51] county supervisors and the
[1:12:53] county staff efforts to advance
[1:12:54] the ordinance to establish the
[1:12:54] soil.
[1:12:56] It is a meaningful and
[1:13:02] necessary step to help our
[1:13:03] community and others across the
[1:13:04] county address urgent soil and
[1:13:05] stability concerns.
[1:13:08] If the
[1:13:09] conditions in our community and
[1:13:10] left it will continue to
[1:13:10] worsen.
[1:13:14] We have seen this
[1:13:14] before.
[1:13:15] The last time a similar
[1:13:15] situation occurred, the slope
[1:13:23] failed and was ultimately
[1:13:23] condemned.
[1:13:24] According to a standard, this
[1:13:25] is not an isolated incident.
[1:13:26] There have been three slope
[1:13:27] failures
[1:13:27] .
[1:13:29] At first occurred in 1996 to
[1:13:34] repair the damage hoa nor the
[1:13:35] county was able to verify the
[1:13:39] work was actually completed.
[1:13:40] A second failure occurred in
[1:13:44] 2007 adjacent to the original
[1:13:45] area and we are facing another
[1:13:48] failure in the same location
[1:13:49] first impacted in 1996
[1:13:49] .
[1:13:53] At the boards meeting we had
[1:13:59] concerns about the use of
[1:14:00] public funds for what were
[1:14:01] described as private issues
[1:14:02] become respectfully offer
[1:14:03] another perspective.
[1:14:04] Homeowners relying good faith
[1:14:04] by that oversight approval
[1:14:11] process which reviewed soils
[1:14:12] reports, inspection and issues
[1:14:17] certificates of occupancy
[1:14:17] .
[1:14:18] Residents were not in a
[1:14:19] position to evaluate the
[1:14:20] complex geotechnical decisions
[1:14:21] or verify whether properly
[1:14:27] repaired instability issue.
[1:14:28] That reliance is fundamental to
[1:14:30] the partnership between the
[1:14:31] county developers, and the
[1:14:32] county developers and the
[1:14:36] communities they serve.
[1:14:37] Current conditions inadequate
[1:14:41] compaction are not do --
[1:14:46] further these efficiencies are
[1:14:46] causing erosion and
[1:14:48] uncontrolled runoff,
[1:14:49] threatening the watershed,
[1:14:50] public safety, in the broader
[1:14:54] community individual properties
[1:14:55] .
[1:14:56] For these reasons we believe
[1:14:57] the public investment in slope
[1:15:00] stabilization remediation
[1:15:06] watershed protection is not
[1:15:10] only appropriate but necessary.
[1:15:11] We respectfully ask the board
[1:15:14] to consider modifications
[1:15:15] ,
[1:15:16] structured the fund to accept
[1:15:18] contributions from grants or
[1:15:19] other mitigation programs and
[1:15:22] allow for multiyear grants
[1:15:24] within annual funding cap
[1:15:27] .
[1:15:28] We thank you and appreciate
[1:15:31] your leadership for
[1:15:32] recommendation, recognition of
[1:15:35] challenges are not private
[1:15:35] feathers but the result of
[1:15:37] processes that did not fully
[1:15:41] protect our community and a
[1:15:42] developer who failed to
[1:15:45] properly prepare a known issue.
[1:15:46] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:16:01] thank you.
[1:16:01] >> we have no speakers this
[1:16:02] time.
[1:16:02] Apologize.
[1:16:03] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:16:03] no apologies necessary.
[1:16:04] Thank you for your help.
[1:16:05] MADAM Chair, back to you.
[1:16:06] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:16:07] going to close the public
[1:16:08] hearings for 7a through 7I.
[1:16:08] What I'm going to do because I
[1:16:10] know 7a will have additional
[1:16:10] discussion
[1:16:10] .
[1:16:11] I'm going to pull that off and
[1:16:12] we can get that to the end.
[1:16:14] Does anyone else on the dais
[1:16:14] have anything they want to pull
[1:16:21] off?
[1:16:21] Supervisor bailey.
[1:16:22] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:16:23] MADAM Chair, I would like to
[1:16:26] poll item 7g.
[1:16:27] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:16:28] is this something you're going
[1:16:29] to vote against her highlight
[1:16:30] you have questions?
[1:16:31] All right.
[1:16:33] I would like to get the motion
[1:16:43] for 7b through f and 7h and I.
[1:16:44] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:16:45] moment.
[1:16:45] >> Kenny Boddye: second.
[1:16:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:16:47] any discussions just on those
[1:16:47] items?
[1:16:53] If not, let's go ahead and take
[1:16:53] a vote.
[1:16:54] >> supervisor angry?
[1:16:55] > Victor Angry: aye.
[1:16:56] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:16:58] all right.
[1:16:59] >> the unanimous.
[1:17:05] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:17:05] I'm going to go back to 7a.
[1:17:08] First, does anyone have any
[1:17:13] questions
[1:17:13] ?
[1:17:14] All right.
[1:17:17] Supervisor vega, you've
[1:17:17] questions?
[1:17:23] >> Yesli Vega: yes.
[1:17:24] I'm not sure if ricky or who is
[1:17:30] going to answer questions.
[1:17:33] >> if I can't get it right we
[1:17:36] will get one of the others.
[1:17:36] >> Yesli Vega: while i
[1:17:38] understand the reasoning behind
[1:17:44] the request before us, I have a
[1:17:44] sick concerns.
[1:17:45] Raised those concerns from the
[1:17:46] beginning.
[1:17:52] Appreciate staff working to
[1:17:53] answer some of my questions.
[1:17:54] Not all of them because this is
[1:17:55] very much fluid and while I
[1:17:56] still don't believe it's ready
[1:17:56] for prime time, we are here
[1:18:05] today.
[1:18:05] The first question I want to
[1:18:06] ask is does the county regulate
[1:18:07] soil for soil suitability or
[1:18:08] geotechnical standards in
[1:18:09] land-use approvals?
[1:18:10] >> yes, it is the short answer.
[1:18:11] I can give you more background
[1:18:12] if you want a more technical
[1:18:12] answer.
[1:18:13] >> Yesli Vega: I do.
[1:18:25] Thank you.
[1:18:26] >> MADAM Term, members the
[1:18:27] board, director of public
[1:18:27] works.
[1:18:31] Yes, it's always required
[1:18:33] .
[1:18:34] >> Yesli Vega:
[1:18:34] what does not
[1:18:34] consist of?
[1:18:35] I want you to elaborate more.
[1:18:38] >> no sole conditions, the
[1:18:41] stability of slopes
[1:18:42] , the water
[1:18:44] table of the soils
[1:18:48] , all of that
[1:18:49] is important for the design the
[1:18:52] retaining wall
[1:18:52] .
[1:18:53] Those are very important
[1:18:57] information.
[1:18:58] >> Yesli Vega: thank you.
[1:18:59] And since when has the county
[1:19:03] been practicing this?
[1:19:07] >> 2003.
[1:19:13] >> Yesli Vega: 2003.
[1:19:18] What criteria specifically,
[1:19:19] refresh my memory again, was
[1:19:23] refused used for arbitrary
[1:19:26] decision in terms of what homes
[1:19:27] qualify for this?
[1:19:27] > you mean as far as the
[1:19:32] ordinance?
[1:19:33] We are still working on that
[1:19:37] but we are looking at impact of
[1:19:38] foundation, impact to slopes
[1:19:43] that MAY impact other
[1:19:44] structures such as rodents,
[1:19:45] such as a stream, other
[1:19:47] development MAY be.
[1:19:48] Those other criteria is to make
[1:19:49] decisions.
[1:20:01] >> Yesli Vega: I am referring
[1:20:02] to the decision made that the
[1:20:03] eligibility is for homes built
[1:20:04] between 10 and 40 years old.
[1:20:05] You said you are still
[1:20:06] developing it?
[1:20:07] >> the timeframe of when we
[1:20:07] consider evaluating proposals
[1:20:08] .
[1:20:11] Is that when you are saying?
[1:20:16] 10 to 40 years.
[1:20:17] >> supervisor, thank you for
[1:20:22] the question.
[1:20:23] As I recall at the last hearing
[1:20:24] there were questions relative
[1:20:25] to what data we have in
[1:20:27] relation to this
[1:20:27] .
[1:20:28] After the board meeting went
[1:20:30] went back and went back 10
[1:20:31] years and over the 10 year
[1:20:39] period we had 74 foundation
[1:20:40] repairs done across all in the
[1:20:41] county.
[1:20:45] An average of 70 year
[1:20:45] .
[1:20:49] The average age was 37.1 years
[1:20:50] for the justification to go to
[1:20:55] 40 what we are talking about is
[1:20:58] latent defects and who would be
[1:20:59] responsible or who would help
[1:20:59] .
[1:21:07] Based on the ad hoc data, the
[1:21:08] conclusion was over 10 years
[1:21:11] the average age is 37 years
[1:21:11] .
[1:21:12] It would be appropriate to go
[1:21:13] 10 to 40 years
[1:21:14] .
[1:21:19] That is how we got to the 40
[1:21:20] compared to our previous
[1:21:20] recommendation was I believe 10
[1:21:21] to 20.
[1:21:22] >> Yesli Vega: thank you for
[1:21:23] that.
[1:21:24] You said in terms of
[1:21:30] responsibility for repairing
[1:21:30] your position is here today
[1:21:31] that the county bears
[1:21:32] responsibility assisting
[1:21:42] homeowners
[1:21:43] .
[1:21:44] >> I would say that's your
[1:21:44] decision.
[1:21:45] >> Yesli Vega: staff is
[1:21:46] recommending approval so
[1:21:46] masking staff if that is the
[1:21:47] recommendation, is that your
[1:21:53] position?
[1:21:53] >> the position is we have a
[1:21:54] state law in place to allow you
[1:21:55] to make the decision to adopt
[1:21:56] an ordinance.
[1:21:57] >> Yesli Vega: correct.
[1:21:57] And it is a recommendation and
[1:22:03] that is the reason for my
[1:22:03] question.
[1:22:03] >> MS.
[1:22:04] Roble: I don't think
[1:22:05] anybody is saying the county is
[1:22:06] responsible for defects out
[1:22:06] there.
[1:22:07] Think what staff is
[1:22:10] recommending is the general
[1:22:11] assembly allowed the state code
[1:22:13] is a discretionary alternative
[1:22:14] for the board to do and if that
[1:22:18] is the boards prerogative to go
[1:22:18] forward with it.
[1:22:19] I don't think anyone on the
[1:22:20] staff is saying the county is
[1:22:29] responsible for any issues
[1:22:29] involved in these properties.
[1:22:30] >> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM
[1:22:31] Chair and I understand what the
[1:22:34] general assembly passed.
[1:22:35] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:22:36] would you like your next block
[1:22:36] of time?
[1:22:37] >> Yesli Vega: yes.
[1:22:39] However, it is my position we
[1:22:39] are being guided in a certain
[1:22:40] direction and I want to make
[1:22:41] sure we don't blur the lines we
[1:22:42] are clear as to what the board
[1:22:45] make it ready to approve
[1:22:46] .
[1:22:48] As you all know, I conducted a
[1:22:49] survey because it's important
[1:22:52] for me to understand where
[1:22:53] people in prince william county
[1:22:54] are not just in the coles
[1:22:58] district.
[1:22:59] My position doesn't stem in
[1:23:00] being in opposition to this
[1:23:01] initiative being moved forward
[1:23:05] because I understand the
[1:23:06] intent.
[1:23:07] Prevention, offer this to my
[1:23:08] colleagues and those in
[1:23:09] chambers and watching at home,
[1:23:09] is in fact a public response
[1:23:24] ability, which is why I lead
[1:23:25] with opening question I did.
[1:23:26] However, fixing private
[1:23:27] property matters is a private
[1:23:28] one and that is the issue I
[1:23:28] take with this.
[1:23:29] I believe this is a private
[1:23:30] matter among the journalism we
[1:23:31] granted localities the ability
[1:23:32] to enact an ordinance, I do not
[1:23:33] believe it's in the best
[1:23:33] interest of the county to use
[1:23:34] tax dollars to pay for
[1:23:34] private
[1:23:35] matters.
[1:23:36] It gets muddy quickly in
[1:23:36] regards to where do we draw the
[1:23:51] line.
[1:23:52] I would then going to be
[1:23:53] subsidizing roof replacements,
[1:23:53] hvac repairs, who knows her
[1:23:54] driveway cracking weeks.
[1:23:55] If the argument is made into
[1:23:55] steam to be structural.
[1:23:56] I want to offer to my
[1:23:57] colleagues that when we were
[1:23:58] going to distribution with the
[1:23:59] great oak community, a request
[1:24:00] was made that the county pay
[1:24:01] and purchase equipment to
[1:24:01] measure noise and it was
[1:24:02] quickly shut down because of
[1:24:10] the precedent it would set.
[1:24:11] I asked my colleagues, are we
[1:24:12] going to open the door for a
[1:24:13] similar matter if we deemed it
[1:24:14] is not appropriate then, how do
[1:24:19] we justify an issue that is
[1:24:20] clearly been pushed on county
[1:24:21] residents by decisions made by
[1:24:22] the governing body.
[1:24:22] Ot
[1:24:23] appropriate then, appropriate
[1:24:23] now.
[1:24:24] For those main reasons I would
[1:24:34] ask perhaps we table this
[1:24:34] matter for a later time born we
[1:24:35] can flat out in my opinion
[1:24:36] denied the request altogether.
[1:24:37] Don't think it is
[1:24:41] appropriate for the county to
[1:24:42] be using public dollars to fix
[1:24:42] what in my opinion is a private
[1:24:43] matter.
[1:24:43] I think the approach we need to
[1:24:44] take is an approach where we
[1:24:45] are working with the developers
[1:24:46] and we are holding them
[1:24:48] accountable to ensure the
[1:24:49] problems don't continue to
[1:24:49] happen.
[1:24:53] F they do, they paid
[1:24:54] their fair share of the pie in
[1:24:55] addressing these concerns and
[1:24:56] paying for these repairs down
[1:25:07] the road.
[1:25:08] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:25:09] are you asking for a suggestion
[1:25:10] you would like him to make a
[1:25:10] motion to defer this or table
[1:25:10] this?
[1:25:11] What is it you are asking for.
[1:25:12] >> Yesli Vega: I am willing to
[1:25:13] meet halfway.
[1:25:13] I don't mind tabling it so we
[1:25:14] can infer their discussions and
[1:25:16] make sure we tie up loose ends
[1:25:16] .
[1:25:17] But if that is not something
[1:25:24] agreeable, I would certainly
[1:25:25] .
[1:25:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:25:27] make the motion and let's see
[1:25:27] if you get a second.
[1:25:28] >> Yesli Vega: I move that we
[1:25:29] table this matter, MADAM Chair.
[1:25:30] >> second.
[1:25:31] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:25:32] any discussion?
[1:25:32] Supervisor franklin.
[1:25:33] >> Margaret Angela Franklin:
[1:25:34] want to clarify we have
[1:25:35] differed this before.
[1:25:36] We would been working on the
[1:25:37] several years and I am not in
[1:25:49] favor of differing.
[1:25:50] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:25:51] supervisor vega.
[1:25:51] >> Yesli Vega: the
[1:25:51] reason for
[1:25:52] the deferral was it was not
[1:25:53] ready for prime time.
[1:25:54] My position as it is still not
[1:25:54] and I would ask the majority of
[1:25:55] my colleagues to support my
[1:25:56] motion to table this.
[1:25:57] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:25:58] supervisor bailey?
[1:25:58] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I
[1:25:59] just need clarification because
[1:26:00] we talked about this over and
[1:26:04] over again before we take the
[1:26:04] vote.
[1:26:05] I want to make sure we clearly
[1:26:07] understand what this is this is
[1:26:08] alignment with the state code
[1:26:09] that has been put forth that we
[1:26:10] are trying to achieve
[1:26:10] .
[1:26:13] We are not voting to say we are
[1:26:16] actually going to make a final
[1:26:18] decision on this matter
[1:26:18] .
[1:26:29] Can you explain it?
[1:26:29] >> I don't know that part you
[1:26:30] just said.
[1:26:31] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:26:31] let me rephrase my question.
[1:26:32] >> we
[1:26:32] were given a directive to
[1:26:33] look at the new state code that
[1:26:34] was passed.
[1:26:38] We were given a directive to
[1:26:39] propose an ordinance for prince
[1:26:40] william county to use.
[1:26:41] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:26:42] that's the alignment.
[1:26:43] And going forward, what are you
[1:26:52] asking for now?
[1:26:53] >> we have now brought the
[1:26:53] ordinance forward.
[1:26:54] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:26:55] for the alignment.
[1:26:55] But it does not say we are
[1:26:56] going to take care of
[1:26:57] everybody's property if we vote
[1:26:59] on this today
[1:26:59] .
[1:27:00] >> the application process and
[1:27:03] scoring criteria and then those
[1:27:04] applications will come to the
[1:27:06] board and the board would vote
[1:27:07] on who was funded and who
[1:27:10] wasn't.
[1:27:16] Was available to be used.
[1:27:17] >> MR. Shorter: the board is
[1:27:19] voting on an ordinance today
[1:27:19] .
[1:27:25] Later on in the agenda
[1:27:26] depending on how the board
[1:27:34] reacts to this ordinance
[1:27:34] ,
[1:27:35] request to transfer funding to
[1:27:35] a fund.
[1:27:36] Now, what would come after is
[1:27:38] an application process where
[1:27:39] individual homeowners will
[1:27:47] essentially apply
[1:27:48] .
[1:27:49] We won't based on this
[1:27:49] ordinance will come to the
[1:27:50] board when it's time to make a
[1:27:51] decision but the action the
[1:27:52] board is taking right now is an
[1:27:52] ordinance.
[1:27:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:27:54] so this is the final.
[1:27:55] Supervisor vega, did you have
[1:28:00] something you want to say?
[1:28:00] There is a motion but I don't
[1:28:01] know if you want to speak on
[1:28:04] that.
[1:28:07] Is anyone else have comments or
[1:28:07] discussions?
[1:28:12] If not I will take the vote on
[1:28:13] a motion to table the
[1:28:14] discussion.
[1:28:15] I would like to call for the
[1:28:16] vote.
[1:28:26] This is to table it.
[1:28:38] Supervisor vega and gordy.
[1:28:39] >> supervisor ingrid just told
[1:28:40] me his computer is shutting
[1:28:41] down automatically so he MAY
[1:28:47] have to log back on.
[1:28:54] He MAY MISS This vote.
[1:28:54] >> somewhere, is absent from
[1:29:02] vote.
[1:29:03] Motion fails 2/5 supervisors
[1:29:05] bailey, boddye, franklin,
[1:29:06] stewart enter jefferson know.
[1:29:10] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:29:11] so the motion to table has
[1:29:14] failed.
[1:29:15] When someone like to make a
[1:29:19] motion to move this forward?
[1:29:20] Properly moved and seconded.
[1:29:21] Any further discussion?
[1:29:26] >> Yesli Vega: I want to enter
[1:29:32] into the record with 300 people
[1:29:33] partake in our survey from
[1:29:34] every single magisterial
[1:29:35] district and everyone who
[1:29:36] partook overwhelmingly opposes
[1:29:37] their private tax dollars being
[1:29:38] used for the private measure
[1:29:46] and I want to let my colleagues
[1:29:47] know what that looks like.
[1:29:48] Young people participated from
[1:29:49] neabsco, occoquan, potomac and
[1:29:51] woodbridge.
[1:29:51] We did the purple listed.
[1:29:52] Those were folks who did not
[1:29:53] want to share but again
[1:30:04] , it's
[1:30:05] our response ability to make
[1:30:06] sure we put forward good public
[1:30:07] policy and although the general
[1:30:08] assembly MAY have allowed them
[1:30:08] to do that, I don't think it's
[1:30:09] in the best interest of the
[1:30:10] taxpayers of the county and
[1:30:11] when we get to the allocating
[1:30:16] of the funds I will be
[1:30:17] discussing more about that in
[1:30:18] my reasons for that as well.
[1:30:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:30:20] supervisors franklin and gordy.
[1:30:24] Ll right.
[1:30:24] Supervisor gordy.
[1:30:26] >> Tom Gordy: thank you
[1:30:32] supervisor vega.
[1:30:33] I completely agree.
[1:30:33] Had a
[1:30:33] meeting with the community last
[1:30:39] night about roads and about
[1:30:40] their private road failing.
[1:30:41] Are we going to open up the
[1:30:44] door for communities and paving
[1:30:44] private roads.
[1:30:45] Because when the roads were
[1:30:49] built the rules the county had
[1:30:50] the time were different than
[1:30:54] they are today.
[1:30:55] Is not just the roads, the
[1:31:01] culverts underneath the road to
[1:31:02] failing think that's a health
[1:31:02] and safety issue.
[1:31:02] In the fire
[1:31:03] and police get into
[1:31:04] those community?
[1:31:05] I think we are opening up
[1:31:06] pandora's box and this is going
[1:31:12] to be something we are going
[1:31:12] I'm more and more people come
[1:31:15] in because of things, we learn
[1:31:19] things over time.
[1:31:20] But I will tell you when I
[1:31:21] moved to prince william county
[1:31:22] my realtor said stay away from
[1:31:27] the potomac.
[1:31:28] This has been known for 30, 40
[1:31:28] years.
[1:31:31] No, those soils
[1:31:31] .
[1:31:36] the water is good.
[1:31:38] The soils below the fall line
[1:31:38] ,
[1:31:43] you get above the fall line a
[1:31:44] lot of rock, below this a lotta
[1:31:46] sentiment
[1:31:46] .
[1:31:47] That is why it moves and it
[1:31:53] shifts.
[1:31:56] Nonetheless, the fact we are
[1:32:04] going to offer government funds
[1:32:05] , I believe we are opening up
[1:32:12] pandora's box here and I don't
[1:32:12] think that is the right
[1:32:13] direction we ought to be going
[1:32:14] so I will not be supporting
[1:32:14] this.
[1:32:15] Thank you.
[1:32:16] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:32:18] I don't have anything else in q
[1:32:19] so let's go ahead and take our
[1:32:35] vote.
[1:32:36] >> motion passes 4/3
[1:32:36] supervisors gordy, stewart and
[1:32:39] vega voting no.
[1:32:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:32:41] thank you so very much
[1:32:41] .
[1:32:45] We are going to go back to 7g.
[1:32:50] You'd questions?
[1:32:51] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:32:51] thank you so much for
[1:32:58] acknowledging me.
[1:32:58] I just have a quick question.
[1:32:59] It's because I didn't talk
[1:33:04] about this when the
[1:33:05] presentation was given to me.
[1:33:06] I'm excited about this and I
[1:33:07] will move forward with the
[1:33:09] vote.
[1:33:10] Want to make sure as we are
[1:33:16] establishing and building this
[1:33:16] drive through, this will not
[1:33:20] interfere with the traffic flow
[1:33:21] we've been talking about as it
[1:33:21] relates to the school,
[1:33:22] forest
[1:33:22] park.
[1:33:24] Business nothing to do with the
[1:33:26] interest we are working on as
[1:33:28] well.
[1:33:32] >> supervisor bailey, chair
[1:33:38] jefferson, we did work with the
[1:33:40] applicant and did look at
[1:33:42] potential traffic impacts.
[1:33:43] All of them are being mitigated
[1:33:48] through the conditions or the
[1:33:49] route that they chose to the
[1:33:53] development.
[1:33:54] We are confident and should not
[1:33:59] impact any of the development.
[1:33:59] Outside of the flow.
[1:34:01] But we just looked primarily at
[1:34:04] the special use permit area.
[1:34:08] They did provide conditions.
[1:34:09] We worked with the applicant
[1:34:10] and the applicants
[1:34:11] representative we are
[1:34:16] comfortable with the
[1:34:17] conditions.
[1:34:17] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:34:18] okay.
[1:34:20] I appreciate that.
[1:34:22] With that I would like to move
[1:34:25] forward item 7g.
[1:34:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:34:32] properly moved and seconded.
[1:34:33] Any further discussion?
[1:34:34] Seeing none, let's go ahead and
[1:34:36] take the vote supervisor angry,
[1:34:47] are you backup?
[1:34:47] >> he is not back online yet.
[1:34:48] Vote unanimous supervisor angry
[1:34:55] absent from vote.
[1:34:56] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:34:57] thank you so very much.
[1:34:58] We are now moving to agenda
[1:34:59] item 8 and that is county
[1:34:59] executive time.
[1:35:00] MR. Shorter, the floor is yours
[1:35:01] .
[1:35:02] >> MR. Shorter: thank you MADAM
[1:35:02] Chair.
[1:35:02] Good afternoon.
[1:35:07] I want to start cxo time off
[1:35:08] with a brief demo because many
[1:35:10] of you know, our office of
[1:35:13] planning
[1:35:13] , wanted to invite
[1:35:14] director washington down to
[1:35:19] talk about this
[1:35:20] .
[1:35:21] They did a very creative job
[1:35:24] building an online dashboard
[1:35:27] for a buildout analysis
[1:35:27] .
[1:35:28] I wanted to have her demo day
[1:35:30] analysis to show the board and
[1:35:35] the public what sort of work is
[1:35:36] happening in the planning
[1:35:39] office and so with that, I will
[1:35:49] turn it over to you.
[1:35:50] >> good afternoon.
[1:35:51] Tonya washington director of
[1:35:52] the planning office.
[1:35:53] We are excited to be here to
[1:35:53] provide the demo of the
[1:35:54] buildout analysis.
[1:35:56] The updated up analysis.
[1:35:57] The analysis estimates how much
[1:35:58] residential and nonresidential
[1:36:00] development could be built
[1:36:00] under the maximum extent
[1:36:04] allowed under zoning program
[1:36:05] one of the exciting things
[1:36:11] about this analysis is not only
[1:36:12] do we have updated data from
[1:36:13] the last time we completed the
[1:36:17] buildout analysis in 2021.
[1:36:18] It is now in an online
[1:36:19] dashboard format.
[1:36:21] Previously reports were done
[1:36:21] annually as written reports
[1:36:23] with illustrations and tables,
[1:36:30] but they were a snapshot in
[1:36:30] time.
[1:36:31] In preparation during this
[1:36:32] update I asked our team can we
[1:36:35] turn this into a dashboard so
[1:36:36] when the import approves new
[1:36:37] land use cases or other items
[1:36:41] are updated that affects this
[1:36:42] data, the data can be updated
[1:36:44] throughout the year.
[1:36:45] Until we know fully online
[1:36:48] dashboard
[1:36:48] .
[1:36:49] It is very interactive with
[1:36:53] data tables as well as maps MR.
[1:36:54] David Mcgettigan, our deputy
[1:37:09] planning director, will walk us
[1:37:09] through the demo.
[1:37:10] But before we do that I would
[1:37:11] like to give a shout out and
[1:37:11] appreciation to
[1:37:12] john Mccleary
[1:37:13] and frank on on our gis team
[1:37:13] which is part our countywide
[1:37:14] division they are here to
[1:37:15] answer any questions as well.
[1:37:16] S well as a shout out if you
[1:37:18] worked with us to build out the
[1:37:18] buildout analysis dashboard.
[1:37:22] So take it away, david.
[1:37:23] >> thank you.
[1:37:25] Are buildout analysis is a
[1:37:26] publication that we have done
[1:37:29] for many years
[1:37:30] .
[1:37:34] It was a pdf document for a
[1:37:35] colorful static and this is an
[1:37:39] opportunity to bring it into a
[1:37:41] more interactive format where
[1:37:43] we can get to interactive maps
[1:37:49] and download data.
[1:37:50] It is also a lot of automation
[1:37:51] and programming went into
[1:37:52] maintaining this thanks to
[1:37:59] frank hunt of our office
[1:37:59] .
[1:38:02] This is much easier to update
[1:38:03] and we will be updating on a
[1:38:05] regular basis when zonings are
[1:38:10] approved.
[1:38:10] And when existing units
[1:38:14] occupancy permits are reported
[1:38:17] out so we can update the
[1:38:23] existing construction.
[1:38:23] This is the main page.
[1:38:26] You can get to it from the
[1:38:27] planning page.
[1:38:31] It also has its own url.
[1:38:35] Pwc va.Gov/buildout analysis
[1:38:36] and that will get you to a
[1:38:36] page.
[1:38:40] This was done in the gis
[1:38:43] platform
[1:38:44] .
[1:38:52] First on the right sleeve
[1:38:53] several things that tell us
[1:38:53] what the buildout analysis is.
[1:38:54] How you use the site,
[1:38:56] frequently asked questions we
[1:38:57] will buildout as we get the
[1:38:57] questions in.
[1:39:02] And we encourage the public and
[1:39:09] everybody who uses this to let
[1:39:10] us know if there any questions
[1:39:10] or anything that needs fixing
[1:39:11] or tweaking more additional
[1:39:16] things he want to see.
[1:39:17] The first use of the product we
[1:39:22] hope to expand it to attract
[1:39:23] when things in later phases a
[1:39:25] development.
[1:39:27] Is an email address to submit
[1:39:29] any comments about the buildout
[1:39:30] analysis
[1:39:31] .
[1:39:34] The buildout analysis is in
[1:39:39] three buckets degree of the
[1:39:43] existing information
[1:39:43] , existing
[1:39:44] dwellings construction.
[1:39:49] We have the zone but not built
[1:39:49] yet.
[1:39:50] This is something that has
[1:39:51] zoning approval.
[1:39:53] We know how many units are
[1:39:54] approximately how many square
[1:39:59] feet going in for commercial or
[1:40:03] retail industrial uses
[1:40:03] .
[1:40:04] This is a list of cases and we
[1:40:05] call the residential inventory,
[1:40:13] nonresidential inventory.
[1:40:14] That is the zone but not built
[1:40:14] yet.
[1:40:15] The third bucket is those plan
[1:40:18] but not zoned yet.
[1:40:18] The conference of plan as a
[1:40:19] guide for the growth and
[1:40:20] development and as areas for
[1:40:21] redevelopment or new
[1:40:27] development that has been zoned
[1:40:28] yet to the appropriate zoning.
[1:40:29] Hose are the three buckets.
[1:40:30] If something gets rezoned from
[1:40:34] bucket one, the pelanda not
[1:40:35] zoned.
[1:40:37] it automatically is going to be
[1:40:38] , show up in the zone but not
[1:40:43] built on them once it was built
[1:40:44] it would be quarterly updated
[1:40:46] with that information.
[1:40:47] We can see off the bat that
[1:40:51] there is 160,000, 100 existing
[1:40:52] dwelling units in the county
[1:40:55] right now based on our
[1:40:59] occupancy reports.
[1:41:00] There are you potential
[1:41:04] remaining to be built based on
[1:41:05] the conference a plan for
[1:41:07] 54,542 more units
[1:41:07] .
[1:41:09] In terms of nonresidential
[1:41:13] square feet of building area,
[1:41:20] we are 92.8 million square feet
[1:41:21] in the potential buildout of
[1:41:22] the conference a plan is 148.8
[1:41:32] million square feet.
[1:41:32] That doesn't mean that by 2040
[1:41:33] we will have all of this but
[1:41:34] this is just the total capacity
[1:41:35] shown that could be built.
[1:41:36] There's no timing associated
[1:41:41] with this from that standpoint.
[1:41:45] The buildout analysis also has
[1:41:49] charts and graphs to show you
[1:41:50] percentages of the different
[1:41:53] types of lands that make up the
[1:41:56] build analysis and pipeline and
[1:42:00] buildout capacity.
[1:42:02] We also have as well we have an
[1:42:11] interactive map that have
[1:42:12] polygons of these in this data
[1:42:13] is available in the county
[1:42:15] portal, data portal for use so
[1:42:16] gis users could download the
[1:42:21] data if they wanted to read it
[1:42:22] and manipulate it.
[1:42:23] We can zoom in on the map and
[1:42:29] click on activity center areas
[1:42:30] are there different layers you
[1:42:31] can turn on and off from
[1:42:34] activity centers to residential
[1:42:38] inventory cases where things
[1:42:38] have been zoned or are not
[1:42:42] built are currently have things
[1:42:44] to be built on.
[1:42:47] as a table
[1:42:47] .
[1:42:48] It can be exported to an excel
[1:42:52] spreadsheet has information not
[1:42:53] only of the zoning district,
[1:42:55] the number units approved, how
[1:42:58] many are built so far, how many
[1:43:01] are remaining to be built.
[1:43:07] This is useful to developers
[1:43:08] and others to find out where
[1:43:09] our land is that they could
[1:43:14] maybe purchase and develop or
[1:43:15] already have the zoning
[1:43:22] available or to rezone.
[1:43:23] By being able to download this
[1:43:28] you can filter and sort it and
[1:43:28] summarize.
[1:43:29] You can sort by magisterial
[1:43:32] district and look up the case
[1:43:33] number so if you wanted to find
[1:43:35] out more you could go to the
[1:43:36] county look at that particular
[1:43:40] case.
[1:43:41] And with that I would be happy
[1:43:42] to answer any questions.
[1:43:43] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:43:44] supervisor vega.
[1:43:45] >> Yesli Vega: first off, I
[1:43:47] think this is great.
[1:43:48] I was thinking about issuing a
[1:43:53] directed so directive avoided
[1:43:54] picketing want to ask him
[1:43:55] appointed the numbers regards
[1:43:59] to cog projections
[1:43:59] .
[1:44:00] I know at one point a big push,
[1:44:01] if you will
[1:44:02] , for not just the
[1:44:04] affordable housing component
[1:44:06] for housing in general was
[1:44:11] driven by those numbers so
[1:44:12] where are we in regards to the
[1:44:15] numbers and where we are today?
[1:44:18] >> in relation to
[1:44:18] , our
[1:44:19] capacity.
[1:44:22] A relationship to the capacity
[1:44:23] of the county conference and
[1:44:29] plan to accommodate our growth,
[1:44:30] we can accommodate the growth
[1:44:31] to 2050 based on the projected
[1:44:31] growth.
[1:44:38] Out to 2050.
[1:44:39] That's maybe the extent of the
[1:44:39] relationship.
[1:44:44] The cog projections were
[1:44:48] recently updated.
[1:44:49] They give a timeframe when our
[1:44:52] growth is in that is not in
[1:44:55] relation to the buildout.
[1:44:59] Buildout does guide our
[1:45:00] distribution a distribution in
[1:45:02] the cog model used for
[1:45:08] transportation modeling and air
[1:45:09] quality monitoring and the
[1:45:10] kinds of planning
[1:45:10] exercises
[1:45:11] including regional water supply
[1:45:15] .
[1:45:16] So there are many uses for the
[1:45:17] cog data and this is something
[1:45:21] that helps us develop and
[1:45:22] refine and where the growth is
[1:45:27] going to go in the model.
[1:45:28] >> Yesli Vega: thank you for
[1:45:28] that.
[1:45:32] I've been playing around
[1:45:33] with it and I'm looking at the
[1:45:33] nonresidential inventory
[1:45:35] summary.
[1:45:36] Do we have an interactive map
[1:45:37] specific to data centers in the
[1:45:43] county?
[1:45:43] >> no, but that is a phase 2 we
[1:45:44] can look at adding to the
[1:45:49] buildout analysis to show where
[1:45:49] data centers are and I know
[1:45:55] that we are working on those
[1:45:55] .
[1:45:56] >> Yesli Vega: great.
[1:45:57] Another directive avoided.
[1:46:00] Can you talk to me about the
[1:46:01] timing of the phase 2
[1:46:01] interactive map for data
[1:46:05] centers only in the county?
[1:46:06] >> that is an effort that
[1:46:07] requires coordination with
[1:46:15] other departments such as
[1:46:16] development services, which
[1:46:16] again for the planning office
[1:46:17] we handle the entitlements.
[1:46:18] When it comes to building
[1:46:19] permits and what have you, that
[1:46:20] development services and so
[1:46:21] there are already conversations
[1:46:23] underway working with deputy
[1:46:24] county executive and other
[1:46:30] departments toward producing an
[1:46:30] interactive map that includes
[1:46:31] all the datacenter related data
[1:46:35] that we have.
[1:46:36] >> Yesli Vega: we don't have a
[1:46:37] range in terms of timing?
[1:46:38] >> we would have to get back to
[1:46:41] you on that.
[1:46:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:46:47] supervisor gordy?
[1:46:48] >> Tom Gordy: I also just
[1:46:51] applied for the tool.
[1:46:52] I've been playing around with
[1:46:56] it for the past few weeks
[1:46:57] looking into it and trying to
[1:46:58] manipulate the numbers to
[1:47:01] understand at least from the
[1:47:02] brentsville district
[1:47:05] perspective of what the
[1:47:08] potential is in taking a look
[1:47:10] at the 10 acre lots and trying
[1:47:13] to understand how many of those
[1:47:21] could get built.
[1:47:22] Looking how we can leverage it
[1:47:22] for calculations trying to
[1:47:26] understand within a certain
[1:47:27] area what is the buildout
[1:47:29] potential for that.
[1:47:33] I've been enjoying learning how
[1:47:33] to use the tool and I got to
[1:47:36] spend more time on it.
[1:47:37] The one thing I want to go back
[1:47:39] to his affordable housing.
[1:47:40] In each and every one of our
[1:47:41] developments
[1:47:42] , most of them have
[1:47:45] affordable units that are part
[1:47:46] of it that become entitled.
[1:47:50] Are you including in phase 2
[1:47:56] helping us track the number of
[1:47:56] affordable units that were
[1:48:00] approved in part of the process
[1:48:02] in sort helping us track
[1:48:03] working toward meeting that
[1:48:04] goal because that is going back
[1:48:10] to cog and we set a target and
[1:48:10] then how are we doing to meet
[1:48:12] that target.
[1:48:13] Will that be embedded in this
[1:48:20] as well?
[1:48:21] >> that is something we are
[1:48:22] considering and have been
[1:48:22] discussions of the housing
[1:48:23] office.
[1:48:28] In fact, we had a training this
[1:48:29] morning on the affordable
[1:48:31] dwelling unit ornaments let all
[1:48:31] three of our departments
[1:48:35] provided that training because
[1:48:35] we all play different roles
[1:48:40] implementing that ordinance and
[1:48:41] as a part of that using that as
[1:48:42] a way to get our ducks in a row
[1:48:42] to be able to track the
[1:48:43] different ways that the county
[1:48:48] gets affordable housing units.
[1:48:49] We track it through the
[1:48:52] entitlements we have that data
[1:48:52] ,
[1:48:53] looking at the other mechanisms
[1:48:56] through pyrite projects
[1:48:56] .
[1:48:58] That is something that again we
[1:49:01] have already been discussing
[1:49:03] the buildout analysis and their
[1:49:08] other venues with the county is
[1:49:09] asked to provide the data so we
[1:49:14] would be looking at how we can
[1:49:15] but the tracking mechanisms in
[1:49:15] place so we can track the
[1:49:17] various ways we could get units
[1:49:22] moving forward that.
[1:49:23] Which ones are committed
[1:49:29] affordable units because that's
[1:49:30] another distinction which one
[1:49:31] state affordable so we can
[1:49:32] continue to track it and to
[1:49:33] figure out a buildout analysis
[1:49:38] and/or other venues where we
[1:49:39] can provide that data so we can
[1:49:44] be transparent.
[1:49:44] >> Tom Gordy: okay.
[1:49:45] On my last question.
[1:49:50] and this MAY be efface three,
[1:49:51] but as we update -- don't get
[1:49:52] too excited, christina.
[1:49:54] As we
[1:49:55] update the targeted industries
[1:49:59] list and we start looking at
[1:50:00] the types of zonings sort of
[1:50:04] having an overlay to know
[1:50:05] what's available for the
[1:50:05] targeted industries and pulling
[1:50:09] all that together is a tool to
[1:50:10] help us as we are talking but
[1:50:11] we know we have x amount of
[1:50:13] acres for this type of
[1:50:15] industry, this type of zoning
[1:50:18] in order to meet that need of
[1:50:30] whatever the target industry is
[1:50:31] .
[1:50:31] I think that would be a great
[1:50:32] benefit.
[1:50:33] But looking out more of a phase
[1:50:33] 3 approach.
[1:50:33] Hat is all I
[1:50:34] have.
[1:50:34] Thank you.
[1:50:35] > Deshundra Jefferson,
[1:50:36] Mayor: thank you so very much.
[1:50:36] Supervisor bailey?
[1:50:37] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:50:38] thank you MADAM Chair.
[1:50:38] This is great.
[1:50:39] Excellent news
[1:50:40] .
[1:50:48] It also enables us to create
[1:50:48] vision.
[1:50:49] You get together ANDb& create
[1:50:50] vision for the future for our
[1:50:52] county.
[1:50:54] The question I had was about by
[1:50:54] right
[1:50:55] .
[1:51:01] Does this help us better assess
[1:51:05] or predict the by right pieces
[1:51:09] of property we have?
[1:51:10] That is always an opportunity
[1:51:10] for us.
[1:51:16] >> thank you for the question
[1:51:21] supervisor bailey.
[1:51:21] The residential inventory is a
[1:51:25] list of everything zoned and
[1:51:25] not built.
[1:51:25] And has been zoned.
[1:51:28] It already has the ability to
[1:51:33] develop however many units or
[1:51:34] square feet through the zoning
[1:51:37] process already
[1:51:37] .
[1:51:38] It becomes the entitlement for
[1:51:45] the piece of property.
[1:51:45] You can look at each rezoning
[1:51:49] case, how many units are left
[1:51:49] on see what the by right number
[1:51:56] is for all the re-zonings that
[1:51:59] can be developed by right.
[1:52:00] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:52:01] and will that be compatible
[1:52:03] with the datacenter information
[1:52:04] supervisor vega asked you
[1:52:09] about?
[1:52:09] Unthought be integrated and
[1:52:10] that also?
[1:52:18] >> there's a non-inventory and
[1:52:18] how many square feet
[1:52:19] are left to
[1:52:20] be developed on the cases so we
[1:52:21] can look at now what can be
[1:52:23] developed.
[1:52:25] The data centers in and lots of
[1:52:32] different districts, but other
[1:52:33] uses can use the tool to look
[1:52:34] for land zoned appropriately
[1:52:41] for their use.
[1:52:42] When you look up an individual
[1:52:45] case you will be able to tell
[1:52:47] what the datacenter is and if
[1:52:53] it is a datacenter or if it is
[1:52:53] not associated with any
[1:52:54] datacenter.
[1:52:54] You could tell that from
[1:52:56] looking up for a majority of
[1:53:01] the cases listed in the
[1:53:03] nonresidential inventory.
[1:53:04] Some cases are blanket
[1:53:08] industrial zonings done in 19
[1:53:09] video when they created the
[1:53:16] zoning map.
[1:53:16] Most types it uses.
[1:53:16] E are not
[1:53:18] going to know other than the
[1:53:20] total floor area ratio and
[1:53:28] therefore the square footage
[1:53:28] .
[1:53:29] As far as a use, it can be any
[1:53:30] use in the zoning district.
[1:53:31] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[1:53:38] thank you.
[1:53:39] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:53:40] supervisor boddye thank you
[1:53:40] MISS Washington.
[1:53:41] Thank you for putting this
[1:53:41] together.
[1:53:42] I have also been someone asking
[1:53:43] about the buildout analysis for
[1:53:44] a while.
[1:53:44] Temperature the
[1:53:45] conversation
[1:53:46] about there being future phases
[1:53:46] .
[1:53:47] I was playing with that earlier
[1:53:48] and are going to say this right
[1:53:58] now.
[1:53:59] In the potomac mills activity
[1:54:00] center is a dwelling potential
[1:54:00] of 6300 units.
[1:54:01] That makes me excited and I'm
[1:54:02] sure it makes christina excited
[1:54:02] too.
[1:54:03] My actual question is
[1:54:03] .
[1:54:04] David, you probably remember
[1:54:08] this when we adopted the
[1:54:08] comprehensive plan we allowed
[1:54:14] to there to be some residential
[1:54:15] allowed in the office mixed
[1:54:18] use.
[1:54:19] However, as I look at it right
[1:54:21] now in the office mixed use
[1:54:29] countywide figuring out a
[1:54:30] dwelling unit potential is zero
[1:54:31] and so could you talk about how
[1:54:32] that drives knowing we added
[1:54:33] residential allowances in
[1:54:38] there?
[1:54:39] >> I believe it was a small
[1:54:41] percentage
[1:54:41] .
[1:54:43] We wanted to be consistent and
[1:54:44] so with the conference and
[1:54:46] plan.
[1:54:47] That is something we can go
[1:54:53] back and look at and see if we
[1:54:53] should assume some residential
[1:54:54] growth.
[1:55:02] But again, it was a smaller
[1:55:03] percentage of that particular
[1:55:03] designation but we can go back
[1:55:04] and look at that thank you so
[1:55:06] much.
[1:55:07] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:55:08] I don't have anyone else in
[1:55:15] queue.
[1:55:16] It is fun to geek out and play
[1:55:17] around because there is so much
[1:55:17] data at your fingertips.
[1:55:25] It looks really good.
[1:55:26] It looks very, very good so
[1:55:27] thank you.
[1:55:27] >> MR. Shorter: thank you MADAM
[1:55:28] Chair and thank you director
[1:55:29] washington.
[1:55:29] Thank you all for the great
[1:55:38] work.
[1:55:39] To directives issued last week
[1:55:40] when we were together staff is
[1:55:41] directed to research, review,
[1:55:41] and evaluate the positions of
[1:55:42] the state code section which
[1:55:43] allows for the creation of
[1:55:44] local economic revitalization
[1:55:50] zones in the section that
[1:55:51] provides impartial tax
[1:55:51] exemption for properties in the
[1:55:52] designated redevelopment
[1:55:53] conservation areas where
[1:55:54] rehabilitation districts all
[1:55:56] with the purpose of providing
[1:55:56] recommendations on the
[1:56:00] establishment of a local
[1:56:01] economic development
[1:56:02] revitalization zone ordinance
[1:56:03] this directive was assigned to
[1:56:04] the department of economic
[1:56:05] element and tourism.
[1:56:06] Staff is directed to bring a
[1:56:20] resolution to the board to
[1:56:21] dissolve the arts council,
[1:56:21] which we did today.
[1:56:22] That resolution -- that
[1:56:23] directive was assigned to the
[1:56:24] department of parks and
[1:56:24] recreation.
[1:56:25] And it will be closed today
[1:56:25] given the agenda.
[1:56:26] There were no directives closed
[1:56:27] during the week between last
[1:56:32] meeting in this meeting
[1:56:33] .
[1:56:34] MADAM Chair, I wanted to take a
[1:56:35] moment if I can commit to
[1:56:35] recognize michelle.
[1:56:38] She is retiring this month.
[1:56:42] She served as the director of
[1:56:43] public safety communications
[1:56:47] and has served this community
[1:56:48] for 36 years.
[1:56:51] I want to recognize her,
[1:56:52] thinker to hers for her service
[1:56:53] overseeing us through a
[1:56:57] generation here
[1:56:57] .
[1:56:58] All kinds of technological
[1:56:59] changes and other changes in
[1:57:05] the county when she has been
[1:57:05] here.
[1:57:06] She is the voice behind the
[1:57:06] voiceless.
[1:57:07] Those who call 9-1-1. I would
[1:57:08] like to take a moment because
[1:57:16] this is his last meeting with
[1:57:16] prince william county.
[1:57:17] I would like to recognize our
[1:57:18] deputy county executive dan
[1:57:19] alexander.
[1:57:23] Dan has been appointed to be
[1:57:24] the next city manager for the
[1:57:26] city of fairfax
[1:57:26] .
[1:57:31] We are going to MISS Him here.
[1:57:31] Appreciate his service and
[1:57:32] work.
[1:57:32] It's been a pioneer in that he
[1:57:33] served as the first deputy
[1:57:43] county executive on the safe
[1:57:44] and secure community quadrant.
[1:57:45] So dan, thank you.
[1:57:46] Thank you for all you have done
[1:57:47] for the county.
[1:57:47] [Applause]
[1:57:48] And I want to make sure that I
[1:57:57] recognize
[1:57:57] .
[1:57:58] If there's anything else.
[1:57:58] All right.
[1:58:02] Well
[1:58:03] , finally I want to make
[1:58:04] sure I think in recognize steve
[1:58:09] austin.
[1:58:10] Steve has come out of
[1:58:10] retirement to serve as acting
[1:58:12] deputy county executive for
[1:58:13] safe and secure community while
[1:58:21] we search when he has served in
[1:58:21] this community for a
[1:58:23] significant amount of time.
[1:58:29] I personally called to ask him
[1:58:29] to come back and appreciate he
[1:58:30] has taken the opportunity to
[1:58:31] come back and serve the
[1:58:34] community so thank you so much
[1:58:34] .
[1:58:36] And with that I will close,
[1:58:42] MADAM Chair.
[1:58:43] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[1:58:44] thank you and let's move to
[1:58:45] agenda item number nine and
[1:58:52] that is county attorney time.
[1:58:52] MADAM Attorney, the floor if
[1:58:52] you are.
[1:58:54] > MR. Shorter: thank you met
[1:58:54] interpret this afternoon we
[1:58:55] will have several items for the
[1:58:56] first is consultation with
[1:58:57] legal counsel and briefings by
[1:58:58] staff members pertaining to the
[1:58:59] discussion or consideration of
[1:59:00] the disposition a publicly held
[1:59:09] real property along with the
[1:59:10] consultation with legal counsel
[1:59:11] and briefings by staff members
[1:59:11] regarding specific legal
[1:59:12] matters requiring the provision
[1:59:13] of legal advice by such counsel
[1:59:14] pertaining to land-use and
[1:59:25] electric energy
[1:59:26] , electric power
[1:59:27] regulatory law to include legal
[1:59:28] advice on proposed energy
[1:59:29] projects including but not
[1:59:30] limited to the dominion energy
[1:59:31] nokesville to bristow 230
[1:59:31] project on the more smoke
[1:59:32] wishing star 532 project were
[1:59:33] such consultation, discussion
[1:59:34] our briefing would adversely
[1:59:59] affect the bargaining position,
[2:00:00] negotiate a strategy,
[2:00:01] litigating posture of the
[2:00:02] public body we will
[2:00:02] consultation with legal
[2:00:04] counsel, briefings pertaining
[2:00:05] to the discussion concerning an
[2:00:05] economic develop an item
[2:00:06] regarding an expansion of an
[2:00:07] existing business or industry
[2:00:08] were no previous announcement
[2:00:09] has been made on the business
[2:00:10] or industries interest in
[2:00:11] expending the facilities and
[2:00:12] the county along with the
[2:00:12] related discussion or
[2:00:13] consideration of the investment
[2:00:14] of public funds for economic
[2:00:15] development matters where
[2:00:16] competition in bargaining is
[2:00:17] involved with made public
[2:00:18] initially financial interest of
[2:00:18] the county would be adversely
[2:00:19] affected along with the
[2:00:20] discussion or consideration of
[2:00:21] disposition a publicly held
[2:00:21] real property.
[2:00:22] All where discussion in an open
[2:00:23] meeting would adversely affect
[2:00:24] the litigating posture,
[2:00:25] bargaining position, or
[2:00:26] negotiating strategy the public
[2:00:26] body.
[2:00:27] We will consultation with legal
[2:00:28] stuff counsel and briefings by
[2:00:29] staff members containing to an
[2:00:29] economic develop an item
[2:00:30] regarding the discussion or
[2:00:31] consideration of the investment
[2:00:32] of public funds for an economic
[2:00:36] development matter where
[2:00:37] competition or bargaining is
[2:00:38] involved where it made public
[2:00:39] initially the financial
[2:00:40] interest of the county would be
[2:00:41] adversely affected, along with
[2:00:42] a discussion and consideration
[2:00:42] of the disposition a publicly
[2:00:43] held real property.
[2:00:45] All where discussion in an open
[2:00:45] meeting would adversely affect
[2:00:46] the bargaining position,
[2:00:47] litigating posture, and
[2:00:48] negotiating strategy the public
[2:01:02] body.
[2:01:03] Consultation with the ghost
[2:01:04] counsel and briefings by staff
[2:01:04] members pertaining to the
[2:01:05] discussion concerning an
[2:01:06] economic development item
[2:01:07] regarding an expansion of the
[2:01:08] existing business or industry
[2:01:09] were no previous announcement
[2:01:10] has been made if the business
[2:01:11] or industry interest in
[2:01:12] extending the facilities in the
[2:01:12] county.
[2:01:13] Along with the related
[2:01:14] discussion or consideration of
[2:01:15] the investment of public funds
[2:01:16] for economic development
[2:01:20] matters where competition or
[2:01:21] bargaining is involved were
[2:01:22] initially made public the
[2:01:23] financial interest of the
[2:01:24] county would be adversely
[2:01:24] affected, all where discussion
[2:01:25] in an open meeting would
[2:01:26] adversely affect the litigating
[2:01:27] posture and bargaining position
[2:01:28] in negotiating strategy the
[2:01:42] public body
[2:01:43] .
[2:01:44] Finally, personnel discussions
[2:01:45] and considerations relating to
[2:01:46] the hiring of an interactive it
[2:01:48] off as a human resources were
[2:01:49] consultation, briefing or
[2:01:49] discussion in an open meeting
[2:01:50] would adversely affect the
[2:01:51] bargaining position, letting an
[2:01:52] imposter, or negotiating
[2:01:53] strategy of the public body.
[2:01:54] These items are pretty close
[2:01:55] session presented 2.2-3711 a1,
[2:01:56] three, five, six and eight of
[2:01:56] the code of virginia.
[2:01:58] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:01:58] hold on.
[2:01:59] Supervisor gordy.
[2:01:59] > Tom Gordy: before the
[2:02:00] board votes on the racing and
[2:02:01] holds the closed meeting a need
[2:02:02] to declare personal interest
[2:02:03] regarding the dominion energy
[2:02:04] nokesville to bristow 230
[2:02:07] kilowatts electric transmission
[2:02:08] project but my home is located
[2:02:09] in the vicinity of the project
[2:02:09] study area.
[2:02:10] S property owners
[2:02:10] in proximity to the project
[2:02:11] study area my wife and I are
[2:02:14] members of a group which is
[2:02:15] affected by the matter.
[2:02:16] I will be participating in the
[2:02:17] matter because I am able to do
[2:02:18] so fairly, objectively, and in
[2:02:19] the public interest.
[2:02:20] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:02:23] thank you.
[2:02:23] We have a motion.
[2:02:24] > Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[2:02:24] move for approval.
[2:02:25] >> Kenny Boddye: second.
[2:02:27] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:02:27] let's go ahead and take our
[2:02:30] vote.
[2:02:31] >> Victor Angry: aye.
[2:02:34] >> thank you supervisor angry.
[2:02:35] Vote unanimous.
[2:02:36] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:02:38] thank you so very much.
[2:02:39] Ding, victor.
[2:02:42] I appreciate you for staying in
[2:02:46] their.
[2:02:47] We are going to go to MR.
[2:02:47] Shorter for agency time.
[2:02:50] >> MR. Shorter: with item 10 a
[2:02:51] we just talked about it as we
[2:02:52] adopted
[2:02:53] , the board adopted the
[2:02:57] ordinance for local foundation
[2:02:58] and soul management earlier in
[2:02:59] the meeting.
[2:03:04] This is the transfer budget and
[2:03:05] appropriate item and we are
[2:03:06] asking for the board
[2:03:14] consideration.
[2:03:15] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:03:16] are there any further questions
[2:03:16] for staff?
[2:03:17] If not I would like to get a
[2:03:21] motion to move 10a forward.
[2:03:21] Properly moved and seconded.
[2:03:22] Any further discussion around
[2:03:23] this?
[2:03:23] >> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM
[2:03:24] Chair.
[2:03:24] I want to reiterate the staff
[2:03:29] report explicitly states
[2:03:29] recurring costs for the
[2:03:30] foundation until management
[2:03:31] fund that will need to be
[2:03:32] included in the budget are
[2:03:41] unknown at this time also, the
[2:03:42] report warns analyze programs
[2:03:42] cause will be driven by
[2:03:43] community interest in the
[2:03:44] program which could
[2:03:48] significantly be more than the
[2:03:49] initial 200,000 transfer been
[2:03:50] asked from the contingency fund
[2:03:50] today.
[2:03:52] I think we can all assume that
[2:03:53] is just to kick this off at the
[2:04:03] ask is going to be much greater
[2:04:04] than the 200,000.
[2:04:05] And lastly, the ordinance
[2:04:06] clearly states the board is not
[2:04:07] required to budget and or
[2:04:08] appropriate funds to the fund
[2:04:08] each year relying on
[2:04:09] voluntarily edible
[2:04:09] appropriations to the fund
[2:04:10] being empty or unable to meet
[2:04:11] demand if that community
[2:04:13] interest is hi.
[2:04:14] Again MADAM Chair, to my
[2:04:15] colleagues, I don't think that
[2:04:18] this is a radial.
[2:04:19] There are a lot of unknowns and
[2:04:22] a lot of things in my opinion
[2:04:23] we can still figure out make
[2:04:24] sugar through transparency and
[2:04:27] accountability and how these
[2:04:28] funds are going to be
[2:04:28] administered once the time
[2:04:30] comes
[2:04:30] .
[2:04:31] Lastly, I do have one question
[2:04:33] and assuming this will pass,
[2:04:34] which more than likely will
[2:04:42] ,
[2:04:43] when do we anticipate that the
[2:04:44] fund will be semi-operational
[2:04:44] or operational altogether to
[2:04:55] start receiving applications?
[2:04:56] >> deputy director of
[2:05:03] development services
[2:05:03] .
[2:05:07] If the money is appropriated,
[2:05:08] the applications would start
[2:05:14] MAY through JULY 2026 with the
[2:05:15] applications coming to the
[2:05:15] board.
[2:05:16] All the application submitted
[2:05:22] coming to the board in
[2:05:23] SEPTEMBER 26 because AUGUST you
[2:05:24] are on recess.
[2:05:25] That will line us up to bring
[2:05:25] everything to the board in
[2:05:26] SEPTEMBER.
[2:05:27] Ith our scoring
[2:05:32] and top scoring kind of thing.
[2:05:33] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:05:33] all right.
[2:05:35] Anything else?
[2:05:38] If not, let's go ahead and take
[2:05:41] our vote.
[2:05:53] >> Victor Angry: aye.
[2:05:54] >> motion passes 6/2 supervisor
[2:05:58] gordy and vega voting no.
[2:05:59] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:05:59] MR. Shorter?
[2:06:03] >> MR. Shorter: very excited to
[2:06:04] invite christina winn in the
[2:06:05] economic development and
[2:06:06] tourism team up.
[2:06:13] Consistent with the strategic
[2:06:13] plan presentation of the board
[2:06:14] saw the last time we were
[2:06:16] together, very excited about
[2:06:17] the completion of the workforce
[2:06:21] development study and all the
[2:06:22] work that happened up to this
[2:06:22] point.
[2:06:23] Whenever we can get the
[2:06:26] presentation up
[2:06:27] , I will turn it
[2:06:34] to christina winn.
[2:06:35] >> Christina Winn: thank you.
[2:06:36] Good afternoon chair jefferson,
[2:06:36] members of the board.
[2:06:37] Economic development and
[2:06:38] tourism.
[2:06:39] I am really excited to be here
[2:06:43] today to talk about our
[2:06:44] workforce presentation.
[2:06:45] As you know, economic
[2:06:48] development, our main mission
[2:06:51] is to create jobs and attract
[2:06:54] businesses and retain those
[2:07:03] businesses.
[2:07:04] When we look at what companies
[2:07:04] come in their mind main
[2:07:05] criteria, their initial
[2:07:07] criteria when they are looking
[2:07:08] for a new location is always
[2:07:10] about workforce that is top on
[2:07:15] the list.
[2:07:19] Skills and demand for workforce
[2:07:20] has become even more
[2:07:23] competitive amongst companies,
[2:07:26] and as become even more
[2:07:30] important to focus on workforce
[2:07:34] and economic development.
[2:07:35] As MR. Shorter mentioned
[2:07:36] ,
[2:07:40] workforce is spelled out in our
[2:07:46] strategic plan and the study is
[2:07:48] going toward being responsive
[2:07:48] to that.
[2:07:55] Last year
[2:07:57] , put it this way.
[2:07:58] During the pandemic we had to
[2:07:59] stand up a lot workforce
[2:07:59] related programs because
[2:08:00] employment agon hi we were
[2:08:01] doing that.
[2:08:03] We did not have
[2:08:07] any existing staff people
[2:08:10] focused on it so everybody was
[2:08:13] doing workforce development
[2:08:14] .
[2:08:16] In the fiscal year the board
[2:08:17] and given us a position to we
[2:08:21] are in the process of hiring
[2:08:22] our new workforce position that
[2:08:25] would be dedicated to
[2:08:28] workforce, which this is super
[2:08:29] crucial for moving this
[2:08:32] forward.
[2:08:35] As background in AUGUST of 2024
[2:08:43] we went through an rfp process
[2:08:43] we hired to strategies to
[2:08:44] perform an analysis of
[2:08:46] workforce development in prince
[2:08:47] william county.
[2:08:53] So why do we do this?
[2:08:54] There are so many workforce
[2:08:54] players in this landscape.
[2:08:55] Everybody does a little piece
[2:08:56] .
[2:08:56] Whether it is on the training
[2:09:01] front door with attraction or
[2:09:02] skills development.
[2:09:06] All of
[2:09:07] these organizations do pieces
[2:09:07] of this
[2:09:10] .
[2:09:14] We allocated the $100,000 to
[2:09:15] get the study.
[2:09:20] We hired to strategies and we
[2:09:21] were focused on okay, if we are
[2:09:23] going to be in the space, which
[2:09:24] we focus on.
[2:09:25] We didn't want to duplicate
[2:09:25] services.
[2:09:30] We knew we were not
[2:09:30] going to have a lot of
[2:09:31] resources that were going to be
[2:09:35] available for this so one of
[2:09:36] the areas in prince william
[2:09:37] county we could carve out and
[2:09:41] do effectively and optimize
[2:09:42] whatever resources we are
[2:09:54] provided.
[2:09:54] So the scope of work was
[2:09:55] looking at those strong
[2:09:56] partnerships and key
[2:09:57] stakeholders and also did an
[2:09:58] extensive demographic analysis
[2:09:59] really looking at our labor
[2:10:00] force, our skills, what's in
[2:10:00] demand.
[2:10:03] what is oversupplied.
[2:10:04] And it looked at are barriers
[2:10:08] that affect our employment and
[2:10:08] career advancement.
[2:10:12] And then most importantly, it
[2:10:17] made strategic recommendations
[2:10:18] and how we could implement a
[2:10:18] workforce program here in
[2:10:19] prince william county.
[2:10:27] And so with that I'm excited to
[2:10:28] introduce tom, he is the ceo
[2:10:29] and cofounder of tip strategies
[2:10:36] and he has joined with erica
[2:10:37] colston today and then called
[2:10:38] clarice grove, you all know her
[2:10:39] better than a business
[2:10:39] development manager.
[2:10:40] She has been managing this
[2:10:40] project.
[2:10:44] And so with that, take it away.
[2:10:44] And you can raise this up if
[2:10:50] you need to.
[2:10:50] >> thank you very much
[2:10:51] everyone.
[2:10:56] As christina mentioned, I'm tom
[2:10:57] and we as a firm are in
[2:11:02] economic development and
[2:11:03] workforce development strategy
[2:11:04] firm
[2:11:04] fortunate to have been in
[2:11:06] business for 30 years.
[2:11:06] And we do work all over the
[2:11:11] country and I happened to be
[2:11:12] based in austin texas.
[2:11:14] Erica who is with me, of the
[2:11:16] principal on the project and
[2:11:17] erica was our lead consultant
[2:11:22] and project manager.
[2:11:23] And she is in route moving from
[2:11:35] texas to chicago at the moment.
[2:11:36] I want to say thank you to
[2:11:38] christina and alyssa who is
[2:11:41] kind of the research group in
[2:11:42] that department who are all
[2:11:46] very helpful.
[2:11:47] We are going to present kind of
[2:11:48] an overview today
[2:11:51] .
[2:11:52] Just know that there is a full
[2:11:54] report and document in a couple
[2:11:55] datasets
[2:11:58] , dashboards if you
[2:12:01] guys would like access
[2:12:01] , I will
[2:12:03] give it to you guys.
[2:12:24] All right.
[2:12:31] Just a reminder, the actual
[2:12:32] goal is to analyze the
[2:12:33] workforce development
[2:12:33] landscape.
[2:12:34] Who is doing what within the
[2:12:37] county and identify where the
[2:12:48] opportunities.
[2:12:49] And as christina pointed out,
[2:12:50] the ultimate goal is to give a
[2:12:51] game plan, sort of a roadmap
[2:12:52] for the program within economic
[2:12:55] development and tourism.
[2:12:56] I will say beforehand into
[2:13:01] erica, it is important to be
[2:13:02] reminded the workforce
[2:13:06] ecosystem includes a number of
[2:13:07] parts.
[2:13:07] In many of them, and the county
[2:13:12] has great influence over.
[2:13:12] You can see up there is the
[2:13:17] orange where that department
[2:13:18] and this program will live.
[2:13:20] But employers are a big part of
[2:13:30] it.
[2:13:31] Obviously the residents of
[2:13:32] prince william county are a big
[2:13:33] part of it and there are
[2:13:33] multiple agencies.
[2:13:34] Virginia career work that
[2:13:35] others in the business of doing
[2:13:35] workforce training.
[2:13:37] And there are a number of what
[2:13:40] we call wraparound services
[2:13:40] .
[2:13:41] People have to act fast off
[2:13:44] access to transportation, there
[2:13:49] has to be affordable housing.
[2:13:50] S a number of things he have
[2:13:51] a great influence over the
[2:13:52] economic development and
[2:14:00] tourism department and there is
[2:14:01] obviously the university and
[2:14:02] northern virginia community
[2:14:03] college providing direct
[2:14:03] education services.
[2:14:04] So just a reminder of where all
[2:14:12] of this lives ultimately the
[2:14:13] goal here is to really hone in
[2:14:14] on what is the roll of the
[2:14:16] county.
[2:14:17] And specifically what is the
[2:14:18] roll for this program within
[2:14:19] economic development.
[2:14:20] With that I'm going to hand it
[2:14:27] to erica
[2:14:27] .
[2:14:28] Just push this button here.
[2:14:29] >> thank you tom and thank you
[2:14:30] to the board for having us here
[2:14:31] today and giving us the
[2:14:32] opportunity to present on the
[2:14:32] results of the study.
[2:14:38] On task we wanted to highlight
[2:14:39] without review of the county
[2:14:40] strategic plan.
[2:14:45] When we mentioned earlier not
[2:14:46] been duplicative of existing
[2:14:47] recommendations and in terms of
[2:14:47] current work ongoing in the
[2:14:49] workforce ecosystem.
[2:14:50] We found as we went through the
[2:14:54] strategic plan for the county
[2:14:55] that there are three different
[2:14:56] goals areas the related
[2:14:57] specifically to the work in the
[2:14:58] department economic development
[2:14:59] and tourism.
[2:15:04] There are more objectives but
[2:15:05] we only highlighted the ones
[2:15:08] directly relevant in some form
[2:15:12] or fashion.
[2:15:12] Those three goals are
[2:15:13] education, quality of life, and
[2:15:17] smart growth.
[2:15:18] What we have done is
[2:15:18] highlighted the small right
[2:15:21] column differentiating between
[2:15:21] where the workforce program
[2:15:24] offers a contributing roll
[2:15:25] meaning they are part of
[2:15:28] day-to-day implementation.
[2:15:29] They are not necessarily the
[2:15:36] only actor or entity advancing
[2:15:37] but they should be considered a
[2:15:39] key contributor in terms of
[2:15:39] implementation for new
[2:15:40] strategic plan.
[2:15:40] He plus side
[2:15:41] syndicating a supportive role.
[2:15:42] The workforce program might be
[2:15:43] called upon to support their
[2:15:45] but isn't necessarily part of
[2:15:50] the day-to-day responsibility
[2:15:51] to mention technical reviews,
[2:15:52] an example of documents
[2:15:55] reviewed.
[2:15:56] We also reviewed the previous
[2:15:58] workforce development program
[2:16:02] called elevate
[2:16:03] .
[2:16:03] That generated a lot momentum
[2:16:04] coming out of cobit in terms of
[2:16:06] leveraging arpa dollars to
[2:16:12] implement a workforce program.
[2:16:13] I will talk about how that
[2:16:13] relates to the work.
[2:16:14] We reviewed plans from your
[2:16:15] partners in the workforce
[2:16:16] ecosystem we conducted
[2:16:17] interviews and focus groups we
[2:16:22] conducted a conference of data
[2:16:23] analysis.
[2:16:24] Tom mentioned we provided data
[2:16:30] tools to the staff.
[2:16:31] Those particular tools are
[2:16:31] workforce them analysis of the
[2:16:35] demand and supply landscape.
[2:16:36] As well as a job quality access
[2:16:37] to a. You can dig into
[2:16:38] different occupations and see
[2:16:45] the relative quality and access
[2:16:46] of the jobs across to couple
[2:16:47] different factors with the
[2:16:48] staff has access to those so we
[2:16:48] can be sure to get access to
[2:16:49] those later on.
[2:16:50] Those three tasks built into
[2:16:53] the strategic direction of the
[2:16:54] study results and I wanted to
[2:16:56] highlight there are two sets of
[2:16:57] recommendations that came out
[2:17:02] of the study that differ in
[2:17:03] terms of the responsibilities
[2:17:04] employers involved.
[2:17:04] i did want
[2:17:07] to highlight findings before we
[2:17:08] get into the recommendations
[2:17:15] about what were the key results
[2:17:16] thus far assist in engagement
[2:17:17] as well as the data analysis.
[2:17:21] In terms of what we learned the
[2:17:22] different focus groups we
[2:17:23] conducted across the study who
[2:17:24] was involved, who we talk 2 to
[2:17:25] make sure we were accounting
[2:17:26] for the overall landscape.
[2:17:29] Funding 1a talk to stakeholders
[2:17:30] quickly spoke a lot about the
[2:17:34] previous workforce development
[2:17:35] program and how there were gaps
[2:17:36] left behind in terms of the
[2:17:37] relationships and efforts
[2:17:37] ongoing
[2:17:37] .
[2:17:39] In terms of momentum fell off
[2:17:40] in terms of the existing
[2:17:42] program
[2:17:42] .
[2:17:43] In terms of where these
[2:17:48] specific lane is the economic
[2:17:48] development department.
[2:17:53] They help clarify where they
[2:17:54] saw the particular value.
[2:18:01] The second take away is how
[2:18:02] having access to the resources
[2:18:03] from the economic development
[2:18:10] perspective will help in terms
[2:18:11] of retention but help the
[2:18:12] educators understand what is
[2:18:13] coming down the pipeline to
[2:18:14] prepare for in terms of program
[2:18:15] expansion in terms of where the
[2:18:15] demand is.
[2:18:16] In engaging with employers in
[2:18:17] terms of what the program would
[2:18:23] do employers of what existing
[2:18:24] resources are in the community.
[2:18:28] Maybe there is not a need for
[2:18:29] new program, maybe there is a
[2:18:30] need to promote an existing
[2:18:37] program.
[2:18:38] And vice versa in terms of
[2:18:38] supporting educators.
[2:18:39] Make each of the of
[2:18:39] connections
[2:18:40] to employers as they are denies
[2:18:41] that designing programs to make
[2:18:42] sure the end result is a mind.
[2:18:43] The last takeaway when we
[2:18:43] talked education
[2:18:44] training
[2:18:50] providers, the highlight of
[2:18:51] the trend toward short-term
[2:18:52] training that hasn't really
[2:18:52] been present in the area
[2:18:54] previously
[2:18:54] .
[2:18:55] That is a new trend for prince
[2:18:56] william county workforce
[2:18:59] development ecosystem.
[2:19:00] Historically it has been
[2:19:01] focused on higher education,
[2:19:03] four year degrees that have a
[2:19:06] education level.
[2:19:06] In the short term there has
[2:19:07] been a focus in terms of
[2:19:10] certificates
[2:19:11] , short-term job
[2:19:12] training and so on and that
[2:19:13] would help increase access to
[2:19:15] jobs
[2:19:15] .
[2:19:16] I want to highlight
[2:19:17] quantitative data points that
[2:19:19] help validate things we heard
[2:19:25] from stakeholders for any are
[2:19:26] probably familiar with this as
[2:19:26] a community.
[2:19:27] That's the first thing we saw.
[2:19:33] That is definitely still
[2:19:34] present in terms of how the
[2:19:35] workforce development ecosystem
[2:19:36] operates in terms of accessing
[2:19:37] jobs
[2:19:37] .
[2:19:39] In terms of local employment
[2:19:43] growth you are outpacing the
[2:19:43] region.
[2:19:44] We take the long-term view.
[2:19:51] We looked at the last 15 years
[2:19:51] .
[2:19:52] You all have grown 36 percent.
[2:19:53] The next closest benchmark
[2:19:54] would be the overall northern
[2:20:01] virginia.
[2:20:02] Just to let you know, you are
[2:20:03] growing in that regard parker
[2:20:04] mentioned new programs or
[2:20:05] technical skills, short-term
[2:20:06] training we did see evidence
[2:20:07] for demand fugue we looked at a
[2:20:10] two-year sample of job postings
[2:20:11] for the area we noticed half
[2:20:19] the job postings required
[2:20:20] education below the bachelors
[2:20:20] degree level.
[2:20:21] Mention the mismatch between
[2:20:22] demand and supply.
[2:20:22] That's an area of opportunity
[2:20:23] we saw
[2:20:24] , which I will talk about
[2:20:26] in a second.
[2:20:28] That demand is actually present
[2:20:29] across to couple different
[2:20:32] industries wanted to highlight
[2:20:34] healthcare, skilled trades, and
[2:20:35] manufacturing jobs as well
[2:20:39] present in terms of the growth
[2:20:43] of the industry.
[2:20:43] Getting into the
[2:20:46] recommendations for the study,
[2:20:49] when alignment piece we brought
[2:20:52] together some principles of the
[2:20:58] success we have seen in other
[2:20:59] communities these were informed
[2:21:00] by what we heard from
[2:21:01] stakeholders as well.
[2:21:02] What we wanted to make sure we
[2:21:03] were solving for was sustaining
[2:21:09] the job growth
[2:21:09] , making sure
[2:21:10] they continue to be economic
[2:21:11] growth opportunities for
[2:21:14] residents
[2:21:14] .
[2:21:15] Making sure the workforce
[2:21:16] itself is as olympic we talked
[2:21:18] about covid and responding
[2:21:19] quickly picked that is
[2:21:20] dependent on the networks that
[2:21:25] exist
[2:21:25] .
[2:21:26] The third pieces data making
[2:21:27] sure we have access to
[2:21:28] effective datasets for
[2:21:29] decision-making.
[2:21:33] Making sure you are a leader in
[2:21:34] terms of representing prince
[2:21:40] william county workforce needs
[2:21:41] what are the needs of your
[2:21:42] specific employers because you
[2:21:43] are accounting for the
[2:21:43] challenges and community
[2:21:44] specifically versus the overall
[2:21:46] region
[2:21:47] .
[2:21:47] Barrier reduction.
[2:21:48] Addressing challenges that
[2:21:49] jobseekers face when they are
[2:21:50] looking for a job and they're
[2:21:51] looking for job training.
[2:21:55] Each individual is a different
[2:21:56] point addressing that and then
[2:21:57] lost pieces ensuring the
[2:21:58] overall talent pool is
[2:21:59] competitive to ensure your
[2:22:02] economy is resilient.
[2:22:07] This is the first step of
[2:22:08] strategies and regulations
[2:22:09] designed to help move the
[2:22:09] needle on the principles
[2:22:11] themselves we talked about
[2:22:13] earlier the overall ecosystem
[2:22:14] the different players of all.
[2:22:15] These are meant to be of the
[2:22:18] delivered partnership and
[2:22:19] collaboration with different
[2:22:21] workforce development entities
[2:22:21] .
[2:22:30] In terms of wraparound services
[2:22:31] and hr efforts, that's focused
[2:22:31] on addressing barriers to
[2:22:32] employment and improving job
[2:22:33] quality.
[2:22:33] The second is upscaling and
[2:22:34] rescaling.
[2:22:34] In terms of helping incumbent
[2:22:35] workers
[2:22:36] .
[2:22:41] Other advancing or maybe in
[2:22:44] switch industry areas
[2:22:44] .
[2:22:44] Industry sector partnerships
[2:22:47] are bringing together the
[2:22:48] public, private, nonprofit
[2:22:55] sectors in specific industries.
[2:22:56] Picking an industry like
[2:22:57] healthcare to focus on
[2:22:58] improvements to different
[2:22:59] certifications or programs.
[2:22:59] Bringing new people into
[2:23:00] careers the fourth one is
[2:23:02] getting specific in terms of
[2:23:03] supporting the service
[2:23:09] providers the provide the
[2:23:09] direct assistance.
[2:23:10] There are existing entities
[2:23:10] that do this.
[2:23:11] Especially the workforce
[2:23:12] development board.
[2:23:14] Sometimes they have limitations
[2:23:15] in terms of how they can deploy
[2:23:19] their funding for making sure
[2:23:20] you are retaining highly
[2:23:24] skilled talent so that way you
[2:23:25] have people who have the skill
[2:23:26] set to continue to teach the
[2:23:27] skill sets kind of having
[2:23:30] people in the community who
[2:23:32] have the skills needed for
[2:23:36] retention standpoint.
[2:23:37] The last piece, and this is the
[2:23:39] last light we have got.
[2:23:39] This is focused on in the short
[2:23:44] term with the county workforce
[2:23:45] development program should be
[2:23:46] doing in the short term as they
[2:23:47] higher than a position
[2:23:49] .
[2:23:50] In terms of what the primary
[2:23:56] functions should be relating to
[2:23:57] strategies laid out in the
[2:23:57] ecosystem.
[2:23:58] Use the same color so we are
[2:24:01] parallel but these are more
[2:24:02] short-term and more focused on
[2:24:04] the current level of resource.
[2:24:07] Ving workforce data expert
[2:24:07] providing that through
[2:24:10] publication and different
[2:24:12] presentations in terms of
[2:24:13] communicating with the demand
[2:24:20] is in terms of marketing
[2:24:21] resources to employers
[2:24:22] partnering with chambers,
[2:24:23] partner with different business
[2:24:24] organizations actively
[2:24:25] marketing in terms of convening
[2:24:26] stakeholders.
[2:24:27] Released a partnerships there
[2:24:30] are existing convening the
[2:24:37] position should be involved in
[2:24:43] and then in terms of increasing
[2:24:44] awareness partnering with
[2:24:45] different entities to launch a
[2:24:46] communication campaign in terms
[2:24:47] of one of the jobs out there
[2:24:48] that don't necessarily require
[2:24:49] a bachelors degree.
[2:24:54] When you might need additional
[2:24:55] training for those are
[2:24:56] opportunities for upscaling and
[2:24:56] rescaling.
[2:24:59] Lost pieces acknowledging the
[2:25:00] tourism department.
[2:25:04] Promoting the county is not
[2:25:05] just a destination for tourism
[2:25:06] but an ideal place to live and
[2:25:07] work.
[2:25:08] So incorporating workforce
[2:25:09] development assets like
[2:25:12] innovation district into the
[2:25:13] reason you should stay here
[2:25:25] after visiting.
[2:25:25] That is in terms of our
[2:25:26] presentation.
[2:25:26] This is an overview and so in
[2:25:27] terms of review in this study
[2:25:28] we highly encourage you to get
[2:25:29] in touch with the team on that.
[2:25:30] Otherwise that is it for a
[2:25:31] formal presentation.
[2:25:37] You are here for questions
[2:25:37] .
[2:25:38] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:25:39] supervisor boddye?
[2:25:39] P2 thank you MADAM Chair.
[2:25:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:25:41] do you have more?
[2:25:42] I apologize
[2:25:45] .
[2:25:48] >> real quick I wanted erica
[2:25:53] had outlined the four core
[2:25:53] functions they were
[2:25:57] recommending.
[2:25:58] The first to we are doing the
[2:26:00] existing
[2:26:00] .
[2:26:03] We are going to continue to be
[2:26:04] ramping those up in performing
[2:26:08] those better.
[2:26:09] And just like we did with the
[2:26:12] various for success the small
[2:26:13] business we are going to start
[2:26:20] to work on implementing these
[2:26:21] other opportunities but they
[2:26:21] are in the long-term and they
[2:26:22] MAY require future resources
[2:26:24] .
[2:26:27] The other pieces I'm excited to
[2:26:28] announce michelle is coming
[2:26:32] back as our workforce
[2:26:33] development manager so she will
[2:26:34] be our first official resource
[2:26:35] management area.
[2:26:38] And she will be leading the
[2:26:42] effort looking at helping to
[2:26:44] bring back, elevate, and look
[2:26:49] at how we can and resources as
[2:26:50] well as putting back job fairs
[2:26:56] and career fairs and connecting
[2:26:57] the whole entire workforce
[2:26:59] .
[2:26:59] Okay.
[2:27:02] There.
[2:27:02] That is what I get for talking
[2:27:08] with my hands anyways, we are
[2:27:09] looking forward to implementing
[2:27:10] that and with that we will take
[2:27:12] questions.
[2:27:13] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:27:14] thank you.
[2:27:16] Does anyone -- re:.
[2:27:17] Supervisor boddye?
[2:27:18] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you
[2:27:25] .
[2:27:26] Thank you tom, thank you erica.
[2:27:27] Appreciate the work that you
[2:27:28] have all done on this and
[2:27:34] appreciate you just added that
[2:27:34] you got michelle back from
[2:27:35] where she was in richmond,
[2:27:35] right?
[2:27:36] Thank you for approaching her
[2:27:37] back from richmond.
[2:27:37] Hank you
[2:27:37] for the work.
[2:27:40] I had a couple questions
[2:27:41] .
[2:27:42] You had a timeline here and
[2:27:42] near
[2:27:43] the beginning of the
[2:27:45] presentation.
[2:27:46] The actual study, list the
[2:27:46] time.
[2:27:52] The study took place?
[2:27:53] >> we procured it in 2024 but
[2:27:57] that takes a what all.
[2:27:58] We are just finishing it.
[2:27:59] It was almost a year long.
[2:28:02] AUGUST 2025
[2:28:04] .
[2:28:05] >> Kenny Boddye: I appreciate
[2:28:05] that.
[2:28:07] Whether you are talking about
[2:28:08] covid.
[2:28:09] Covid, post covid with the
[2:28:12] uncertainty happening
[2:28:17] , each one
[2:28:17] of those is a snapshot of
[2:28:20] certain workforce trends that
[2:28:21] can't be correlated to two or
[2:28:22] three years before that.
[2:28:24] The moment you took was the
[2:28:29] best one because right now, we
[2:28:29] talked about it as a county
[2:28:32] becoming more fiscally and
[2:28:33] financially resilient shocks
[2:28:37] the federal level.
[2:28:37] And lot of folks who came out
[2:28:40] of the federal workforce after
[2:28:43] rescaling up skill or lateral
[2:28:43] skill.
[2:28:53] I appreciate that.
[2:28:54] My overall question is how much
[2:28:54] if that is in the report
[2:28:55] because as a county region so
[2:28:56] dependent on the federal
[2:28:57] government
[2:28:58] , contractors, what
[2:28:58] have you.
[2:29:01] How does that plan to the
[2:29:01] report?
[2:29:07] >> I'm going to turn into erica
[2:29:10] to answer that.
[2:29:10] Erica touched on it.
[2:29:14] After this meeting we will be
[2:29:15] sending out the full report
[2:29:15] , as
[2:29:22] well as the link to the data
[2:29:22] dashboard.
[2:29:23] The way you were getting
[2:29:24] excited about the residential
[2:29:31] buildout analysis, this is the
[2:29:32] same thing but it's about our
[2:29:33] workforce and skills in
[2:29:34] education and it is interesting
[2:29:34] data.
[2:29:35] And so I think that will be
[2:29:38] helpful to continue to help us
[2:29:40] monitor what's going on.
[2:29:42] Do you want to respond to
[2:29:43] addressing the federal
[2:29:50] ?
[2:29:50] >> in terms of where we looked
[2:29:54] at, haven't quite hit
[2:29:55] .
[2:29:56] I recall when we talk to
[2:29:57] phyllis with the social
[2:30:04] services department, she
[2:30:05] mentioned expecting to see a
[2:30:06] bump in terms of accessing
[2:30:06] social services related to
[2:30:09] folks either transitioning out
[2:30:09] of federal jobs in terms of
[2:30:10] people
[2:30:11] looking for different
[2:30:12] opportunities.
[2:30:12] That was something
[2:30:13] we heard
[2:30:13] throughout.
[2:30:14] In terms of the timeline on the
[2:30:17] data itself, I don't know that
[2:30:20] we saw it in the dataset but
[2:30:21] there is original dashboard
[2:30:24] tracking the area in terms of
[2:30:25] how the job of an impact in the
[2:30:26] area
[2:30:27] .
[2:30:28] In terms of the regulation of
[2:30:35] the study, we were looking at
[2:30:35] different partners.
[2:30:35] He
[2:30:36] regional development
[2:30:37] partnership has worked on an
[2:30:38] initiative with the virginia
[2:30:39] community college.
[2:30:52] Is terms of rescaling federal
[2:30:53] workers in picking a different
[2:30:53] notifications.
[2:30:54] One of the key challenges as
[2:30:55] they are a niche specialized
[2:30:56] school sets of people coming
[2:30:57] out of the workforce have there
[2:30:58] can be challenges without.
[2:30:58] Hat is one of the areas going
[2:30:59] to mention career development
[2:31:00] and navigation services
[2:31:00] and
[2:31:01] ecosystem that is very much
[2:31:02] where we have a recommendation
[2:31:03] about pursuing collaborative
[2:31:04] opportunities.
[2:31:04] >> Kenny Boddye: my last one on
[2:31:06] that note appreciate the
[2:31:16] perfect segue.
[2:31:17] How involved was your work
[2:31:18] engaging with the school system
[2:31:19] did they play a roll on this?
[2:31:20] Spoke with doctor career and
[2:31:21] technical education they were
[2:31:21] included in our focus group
[2:31:22] study as well.
[2:31:23] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:31:23] all right.
[2:31:26] I don't have anyone else so
[2:31:36] thank you very much for that.
[2:31:37] >> MR. Shorter: thank you for
[2:31:42] christina, to you and the team
[2:31:43] to tip strategies, thank you
[2:31:45] very much.
[2:31:52] We will now hear from matt to
[2:31:53] talk us through the longer-term
[2:31:53] expansion of the judicial
[2:31:55] center and the work that the
[2:31:58] team has been doing to plan for
[2:32:23] that work.
[2:32:24] >> chair jeff is in the members
[2:32:25] of the board, director of
[2:32:29] facilities of fleet management.
[2:32:30] I'm excited to speak to about
[2:32:31] the judicial center projects.
[2:32:31] Both the current and future
[2:32:32] expansion projects we have
[2:32:37] going on right now.
[2:32:38] You were asked to provide the
[2:32:39] presentation to provide this
[2:32:40] information to you and to the
[2:32:42] public.
[2:32:47] And so our current projects
[2:32:47] here are pictures of the
[2:32:49] projects we have completed.
[2:32:55] Since fiscal year 2018 we
[2:32:56] refurbished five of the six
[2:33:03] elevators in the sixth elevator
[2:33:04] is scheduled to be completed
[2:33:05] over the next year or in half
[2:33:06] that the republic elevators
[2:33:06] with lots of issues with
[2:33:07] reliability those have been
[2:33:10] resolved
[2:33:10] .
[2:33:11] We refurbished the judges
[2:33:16] elevator and one of the
[2:33:17] transfer elevators we also
[2:33:18] completed a renovation work of
[2:33:22] the clerk of the circuit court
[2:33:23] public counters for that
[2:33:24] project was completed around
[2:33:34] 21/22.
[2:33:35] Courtroom number seven which
[2:33:36] used to be the jury assembly
[2:33:37] room we repurposed the room
[2:33:37] into
[2:33:38] a new courtroom and that
[2:33:39] project was completed in the
[2:33:39] last 12 months.
[2:33:40] Public restrooms, we renovated
[2:33:42] in the courthouse
[2:33:46] .
[2:33:47] It has been a lot more
[2:33:50] convenient to use.
[2:33:52] Next projects is the sheriffs
[2:33:53] conference room.
[2:34:02] We enlarged it so he can now do
[2:34:03] press conferences and things of
[2:34:11] that nature.
[2:34:11] It's a real nice base.
[2:34:12] We moved of the library up to
[2:34:13] the third floor into a new
[2:34:15] renovated space
[2:34:15] .
[2:34:15] It looks nice.
[2:34:19] As part of a replacement
[2:34:21] project ongoing we replace the
[2:34:25] boilers in the facility.
[2:34:26] We have done quite a bit of
[2:34:28] projects and have a lot of
[2:34:34] things going on still.
[2:34:35] Thousands of white 18 we
[2:34:36] initiated and completed 52
[2:34:36] projects in the courthouse.
[2:34:43] Right now we have 15 ongoing
[2:34:44] projects and that totals 23.5
[2:34:45] million projects completed than
[2:34:47] 21.3 million projects in
[2:34:49] process right now.
[2:34:49] The projects in process right
[2:34:56] now include updating the av
[2:34:57] systems in the 18 courtrooms,
[2:35:02] also doing restoration in the
[2:35:02] courtrooms.
[2:35:03] Replacing generators for the
[2:35:06] building, roof replacement,
[2:35:07] carpet replacement, led
[2:35:08] lighting upgrades, constructing
[2:35:11] courtroom number seven
[2:35:11] , doing
[2:35:17] hvac system replacement.
[2:35:17] E
[2:35:18] are waiting until JANUARY
[2:35:19] before we replace the
[2:35:20] air-conditioning part of the
[2:35:25] hvac system.
[2:35:25] Next is the future expansion
[2:35:27] project.
[2:35:30] This project came about based
[2:35:33] off of the 2023 judicial center
[2:35:37] master plan we brought forward
[2:35:37] to the board.
[2:35:40] This was completed by mostly
[2:35:41] architects but they worked with
[2:35:45] the different parties in the
[2:35:46] judicial center complex.
[2:35:47] Both occupants and the
[2:35:50] different agencies that work in
[2:35:51] the facilities around the
[2:35:54] judicial center.
[2:35:55] They had found as we identified
[2:36:01] that we need 15 circuit
[2:36:01] courtrooms who can 20 years we
[2:36:03] are going to need 221,000
[2:36:04] square feet of additional space
[2:36:08] needed for all three courts and
[2:36:10] support function areas we
[2:36:12] identified the need for 950
[2:36:16] structured garage there as well
[2:36:20] completed in two phases
[2:36:20] .
[2:36:22] On the current challenges we
[2:36:24] are seeing right now
[2:36:25] ,
[2:36:31] specifically secured jury
[2:36:32] assembly room, liberation rooms
[2:36:34] easily accessible, secured
[2:36:39] restrooms and kitchenette area
[2:36:40] for them when they are in the
[2:36:41] lunch breaks to sit down in a
[2:36:41] comfortable place and have
[2:36:47] their lunch.
[2:36:47] Another big concern we had is
[2:36:48] related to his a committee of
[2:36:49] the court system in the circuit
[2:36:50] court.
[2:36:50] In the area behind the circuit
[2:36:54] court courtrooms we have a
[2:36:54] hallway.
[2:36:57] We don't have complete
[2:36:58] segregation in the prisoner
[2:36:59] transports on the judges and
[2:37:04] the jurors and so there are
[2:37:04] courtrooms we bring the
[2:37:05] prisoners up and they have to
[2:37:08] traverse in the same hallway we
[2:37:11] had jurors and judges affect
[2:37:12] our practices in place to keep
[2:37:16] the segregation, but if you
[2:37:17] make a mistake you could
[2:37:18] potentially open ourselves up
[2:37:19] to a pretty serious issue
[2:37:19] .
[2:37:20] That's a big concern we are
[2:37:23] working on developing a
[2:37:24] resolution to was in the new
[2:37:28] design of the new courthouse.
[2:37:29] Want to share renderings of
[2:37:35] what potentially the courthouse
[2:37:36] could look like.
[2:37:36] It MAY look like this, it MAY
[2:37:37] look completely different.
[2:37:38] To stop talk with my hands.
[2:37:43] MAY look like this, and MAY
[2:37:43] not.
[2:37:45] We wanted to give you an idea
[2:37:46] of what it could potentially
[2:37:47] look like in the space in front
[2:37:50] of the courthouse that's a
[2:37:52] front look at the potential
[2:37:54] courthouse and that is the side
[2:37:58] view of that courthouse this
[2:38:02] slide shows you where we are
[2:38:03] planning on putting the
[2:38:03] judicial center expansion
[2:38:06] project.
[2:38:07] As you can see up top of the
[2:38:09] new parking garage which is
[2:38:10] across the road from the adult
[2:38:16] detention center adjacent to
[2:38:17] the manassas senior center and
[2:38:17] we had the judicial center
[2:38:19] expansion area which is
[2:38:22] essentially next door to the
[2:38:26] adc and judicial center.
[2:38:27] But you will notice that is
[2:38:28] located where the bennett
[2:38:31] school currently resides.
[2:38:32] And so I want to give you an
[2:38:35] overview about the bennett
[2:38:35] school.
[2:38:36] It is uncharted for the past 40
[2:38:36] years.
[2:38:37] See the picture on the top
[2:38:40] right bottom right?
[2:38:41] That is what it look like for
[2:38:46] the last four years.
[2:38:46] We know the inside of the
[2:38:47] building the work has been done
[2:38:47] on it.
[2:38:52] We are concerned that comes to
[2:38:52] integrity is in question.
[2:38:53] I'm not comfortable sending my
[2:38:54] stuff inside the building to do
[2:38:56] any work
[2:38:56] .
[2:38:57] We don't know what we are going
[2:38:57] to find inside there.
[2:39:03] We are pretty sure it contains
[2:39:04] asbestos, lead, mold, water
[2:39:05] damage and terminates.
[2:39:09] In 2019 we had done a report or
[2:39:11] an assessment on it looking at
[2:39:12] it to use it for a share space
[2:39:13] and those are some of the
[2:39:15] findings that study it came up
[2:39:22] with.
[2:39:23] It's not currently listed in
[2:39:24] the fridge and landmarks
[2:39:25] adjuster, it's not listed in
[2:39:26] the national register of
[2:39:26] historic places.
[2:39:27] T is listed
[2:39:27] on the historical marker
[2:39:31] database and it is a historic
[2:39:32] site by the prince william
[2:39:36] county department of parks and
[2:39:37] recreation under the historic
[2:39:39] preservation division.
[2:39:43] Student it's age before we take
[2:39:44] the building down we have to
[2:39:45] get permission from the
[2:39:49] virginia department of historic
[2:39:49] resources.
[2:39:50] We had to get the
[2:39:51] approval before we move to
[2:39:58] raise the building.
[2:39:59] We have to do it at minimum we
[2:39:59] would have to do more is a
[2:40:01] level I archaeological survey
[2:40:01] and we would have to deal with
[2:40:03] whatever findings MAY come up
[2:40:07] as a result of the survey.
[2:40:10] This building dates back to
[2:40:14] 1909 and it was last used as a
[2:40:14] school in 1969.
[2:40:19] After that it was used either
[2:40:20] with the sheriff's office or
[2:40:20] the police department.
[2:40:21] We got conflicting information
[2:40:23] about that.
[2:40:23] Has not been used 4 at least
[2:40:30] last 40 years.
[2:40:31] We did look at how can we
[2:40:31] potentially incorporate the
[2:40:32] bennett school into the
[2:40:34] expansion project
[2:40:40] .
[2:40:41] We did have a company come and
[2:40:42] that did a rough order of
[2:40:43] magnitude estimate renovating
[2:40:48] existing bennett school and the
[2:40:48] neighbor they gave us was
[2:40:52] 37,500,000.
[2:40:53] We anticipate we would need to
[2:40:55] budget a large contingency.
[2:40:56] we don't know what we don't
[2:41:01] know and we can kinda guarantee
[2:41:02] we are going to run into stuff
[2:41:03] we are unanticipated.
[2:41:08] Totally speaking, we think a
[2:41:10] budget of 46,875,000 is what we
[2:41:14] are looking at.
[2:41:15] Until we got in there and
[2:41:15] started
[2:41:16] assessing things.
[2:41:18] It is going to be if we're
[2:41:25] going to try to renovate that
[2:41:26] facility and if we try to
[2:41:27] renovate we would have to try
[2:41:28] to connect it to the new
[2:41:30] facility on that would create
[2:41:31] more variables we have to solve
[2:41:32] and I don't know if our current
[2:41:37] estimate factors that in.
[2:41:38] We have been asked what it
[2:41:39] would cost and what it would
[2:41:39] take to move the facility.
[2:41:42] In 2023 we had done preliminary
[2:41:45] research and it was 2.5 million
[2:41:47] to pick up the building and
[2:41:47] move it.
[2:41:59] With that doesn't include is
[2:42:00] it's on the rubble foundation
[2:42:01] preventive pick it up and drop
[2:42:02] it somewhere you've to build a
[2:42:02] new
[2:42:03] foundation to put that on.
[2:42:04] That is another additional $5
[2:42:05] million we anticipate we dock
[2:42:05] to spend.
[2:42:06] You have to figure out where
[2:42:07] you put it, if the hook
[2:42:08] utilities up to it and get it
[2:42:09] in service
[2:42:09] .
[2:42:10] I don't know if we want to move
[2:42:10] it.
[2:42:17] We wouldn't want to move
[2:42:17] it and drop it somewhere else
[2:42:18] and let it sit for more time
[2:42:19] but we would have to make a
[2:42:20] commitment at the time to do
[2:42:24] the work.
[2:42:25] Our current estimate was a
[2:42:26] rough order of magnitude which
[2:42:27] includes the contingency was
[2:42:37] 56,250,000.
[2:42:38] We want to memorialize the
[2:42:47] bennett school whatever future
[2:42:48] project we do.
[2:42:49] We reached out to dewberry and
[2:42:50] asked them if they can provide
[2:42:50] us ideas on what potentially
[2:42:51] could do.
[2:42:52] We've not made any decisions at
[2:42:54] this point but there are ways
[2:42:55] to try to memorialize the
[2:42:55] bennett school and some if that
[2:43:02] is repurposed thing the salvage
[2:43:03] materials.
[2:43:04] Mother it is taken the front
[2:43:05] columns and somewhere in the
[2:43:10] complex developing it shows the
[2:43:11] colors in the bennett school
[2:43:13] with the informational market.
[2:43:13] Talks about with the bennett
[2:43:22] school is in the area.
[2:43:22] We can take that reservist
[2:43:23] materials and incorporate
[2:43:23] them
[2:43:26] until the new facility.. We
[2:43:30] can take the foundation and
[2:43:31] incorporate that into the
[2:43:32] building as well.
[2:43:32] .
[2:43:33] In the bottom right we see an
[2:43:39] outline.
[2:43:39] We create outline where the
[2:43:42] bennett school was sent a note
[2:43:42] that having different color
[2:43:49] floor to denote this is where
[2:43:50] the bennett school sat and then
[2:43:50] create informational panel of
[2:43:54] sorts to explain the history
[2:43:55] and have that available to the
[2:44:02] public can see that.
[2:44:03] Information about the actual
[2:44:05] expansion project
[2:44:05] .
[2:44:06] And construction of a five
[2:44:08] level building.
[2:44:09] One underground and four levels
[2:44:12] above ground.
[2:44:12] The facility would be dedicated
[2:44:18] to the circuit court that would
[2:44:19] include the circuit court
[2:44:21] clerks operations as well.
[2:44:22] We anticipate they would have
[2:44:25] 12 courtrooms which meets the
[2:44:25] expectations of the circuit
[2:44:28] court judge is.
[2:44:30] We were designed to lead old
[2:44:33] standards we would incorporate
[2:44:38] practices like solar arrays,
[2:44:39] led lighting whatever we need
[2:44:42] to put in their to get
[2:44:42] qualifications for legal
[2:44:47] standards.
[2:44:48] One of the way, it's most
[2:44:52] efficient use of the site.
[2:44:53] Expend in the future possibly
[2:44:53] on the 20 year mark.
[2:44:58] We can add additional space
[2:45:08] north, parallel with the adc.
[2:45:09] What it doesn't do is the
[2:45:10] existing courthouse is not
[2:45:10] renovated and that would be
[2:45:11] something we would have to come
[2:45:12] back and develop a cap project
[2:45:17] in the future to renovate the
[2:45:18] existing courthouse after
[2:45:19] circuit court in the clerk move
[2:45:19] out there use the space more
[2:45:21] effectively for the growth of
[2:45:22] other functions in the
[2:45:27] courthouse.
[2:45:28] We projected the timeline with
[2:45:32] the different things we would
[2:45:32] have to do.
[2:45:34] It is about six years.
[2:45:37] Let is the worst case scenario.
[2:45:37] Will try to beat it but that is
[2:45:40] where we are at.
[2:45:40] I do want to give you a number
[2:45:46] that is not realistic.
[2:45:52] A rough estimate of cost, 4.8
[2:45:53] million to demo 43.5 million to
[2:45:54] do the parking structure in the
[2:45:59] 151.7 million for the judicial
[2:45:59] center.
[2:46:03] The parking structure, the
[2:46:04] process would be done sooner.
[2:46:04] It would be going up sooner
[2:46:06] than expansion project so that
[2:46:12] would to be a good thing that
[2:46:13] is the cost of nuts in the $200
[2:46:13] million budget we have right
[2:46:20] now.
[2:46:20] When to give you a potential
[2:46:21] layout.
[2:46:23] This is an set in stone but to
[2:46:24] give you a visual of what we
[2:46:25] could have
[2:46:25] .
[2:46:32] There is separation between the
[2:46:33] different functions.
[2:46:34] You notice the public is
[2:46:35] separated from the prisoner
[2:46:36] transport and separated from
[2:46:41] the jurors and the judges.
[2:46:42] Need judges and jurors are
[2:46:43] separated from the prisoner
[2:46:47] movement in the facility.
[2:46:48] The orange spaces where the
[2:46:49] prisoners would come up from
[2:46:51] the basement and they would be
[2:46:54] brought into the courtrooms for
[2:46:55] their cases where there's not
[2:46:58] any worry about what we have.
[2:46:59] It's fine the current circuit
[2:47:03] court courtrooms.
[2:47:06] This would be on levels two,
[2:47:11] three and four pick you notice
[2:47:12] that they have judged chambers
[2:47:14] in space for jury deliberation.
[2:47:14] They will also areas for
[2:47:17] support staff to support those
[2:47:21] operations.
[2:47:24] The first level is where we
[2:47:29] have the clerks office.
[2:47:30] The performing on the marriage
[2:47:31] licenses, probate
[2:47:32] and will,
[2:47:37] civil motions, processes they
[2:47:43] manage on the third floor the
[2:47:44] circuit court building.
[2:47:48] With space for jury assembly.
[2:47:49] For point of reference you see
[2:47:50] where we have the outline of
[2:47:52] where the bennett school would
[2:47:53] exist if we dropped the
[2:47:57] building right on top of it.
[2:48:00] And then this is the lower
[2:48:02] level of the facility and you
[2:48:08] can see the orange pathway.
[2:48:08] you can see it is connected to
[2:48:09] the adc that develops into the
[2:48:17] courthouse and holding areas
[2:48:18] that can be directly taken
[2:48:19] upstairs via elevator not have
[2:48:21] to have any interaction with
[2:48:22] anyone other than the sheriff's
[2:48:26] office. We see in the basement
[2:48:27] being an area for historical
[2:48:28] archives, land
[2:48:28] records, law
[2:48:29] library.
[2:48:30] We know we will need
[2:48:30] maintenance space
[2:48:37] .
[2:48:47] When we go further into design
[2:48:47] we get more detail as to what
[2:48:48] the different things would be.
[2:48:49] This is to give you an idea of
[2:48:52] what they could potentially be.
[2:48:53] I talked about the potential
[2:48:58] for expansion.
[2:48:59] As you can see here we have the
[2:49:00] potential to add additional
[2:49:06] floors which would to be too
[2:49:07] court room set up similar to
[2:49:08] the courtrooms on the original
[2:49:08] building.
[2:49:09] We have the same set up for two
[2:49:19] courtrooms per floor.
[2:49:20] We could add 2 to 3 levels
[2:49:21] before we start running into
[2:49:22] the height restrictions we have
[2:49:26] on that property.
[2:49:27] So our next upside this week we
[2:49:27] are going to begin the process
[2:49:31] with the state on the bennett
[2:49:31] school.
[2:49:32] We will design process on
[2:49:33] expansion of the building.
[2:49:43] We made good progress doing the
[2:49:44] programming discussions and now
[2:49:45] it's time to get into the
[2:49:47] details of the design and we
[2:49:47] start working on that and we
[2:49:48] will continue the design
[2:49:48] process for the parking
[2:49:49] structure.
[2:49:49] With that I would be happy to
[2:49:54] take any questions.
[2:49:55] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:49:59] thank you so much.
[2:49:59] Supervisor gordy.
[2:50:00] > Tom Gordy: thank you for
[2:50:04] the presentation.
[2:50:05] There was one little thing I
[2:50:07] saw it right there.
[2:50:09] The orange dot under the
[2:50:15] central holding
[2:50:16] .
[2:50:17] This book that is the elevator.
[2:50:17] >> Tom Gordy: how do I get to
[2:50:18] it?
[2:50:23] >> the central area would be
[2:50:24] cells we have them down there
[2:50:24] and they would bring them there
[2:50:25] and they would escort them or
[2:50:26] take them down the hallway to
[2:50:30] the other elevator.
[2:50:31] >> you mention the clerks
[2:50:33] office
[2:50:34] .
[2:50:37] I know there bennett bought a
[2:50:39] discussions going between the
[2:50:42] judges on the clerks office.
[2:50:43] To what extent is the clerks
[2:50:45] office
[2:50:46] .
[2:50:47] I know there been discussions
[2:50:48] on who is in control of what
[2:50:54] but my understanding is the
[2:50:54] judges control the court
[2:50:55] sunrooms but not the clerks
[2:50:55] office.
[2:50:56] I want to make sure as a
[2:51:02] relates to who has got what
[2:51:02] authorities over what areas of
[2:51:05] the judicial center.
[2:51:08] >> MS. Roble: the county owns
[2:51:08] it.
[2:51:15] Those areas necessary for
[2:51:16] the use and occupancy are under
[2:51:17] the authority of the circuit
[2:51:21] court.
[2:51:22] The board is required to
[2:51:22] provide office space to the
[2:51:25] clerk with the fire prefer the
[2:51:29] files in the space is acquired
[2:51:29] deadbeat in or
[2:51:30] outside the
[2:51:38] courthouse.
[2:51:39] >> Tom Gordy: thank you MADAM
[2:51:43] Attorney.
[2:51:44] You and I talked about this
[2:51:47] .
[2:51:48] I have given my opinion on how
[2:51:51] it relates to the bennett
[2:51:52] school.
[2:51:52] I don't think it's worth the
[2:51:55] investment to save it,
[2:51:58] maximizing the stone the
[2:52:04] bennett school is made out of
[2:52:04] its unique to the area and
[2:52:09] unique to that part of manassas
[2:52:10] with the red colored stone so
[2:52:11] finding a way to incorporate
[2:52:13] that into whether it's the
[2:52:15] promenade or outside or even
[2:52:19] like markers like you said.
[2:52:21] I appreciate the effort you are
[2:52:23] taking to memorialize the
[2:52:24] building but I don't see the
[2:52:27] value in trying to save a
[2:52:32] building that even when we are
[2:52:33] done saving it we aren't sure
[2:52:37] how we are going to use it.
[2:52:38] When we really need the space
[2:52:38] to expand our judicial center.
[2:52:39] On the only other thing.
[2:52:43] You mentioned you were going to
[2:52:52] move on the parking structures
[2:52:52] with
[2:52:53] doesn't just look like a
[2:52:53] parking garage.
[2:53:00] This is for all intents and
[2:53:01] purposes downtown manassas but
[2:53:05] it is surrounded by residential
[2:53:06] and it is right next to the
[2:53:07] courthouse.
[2:53:08] Something that has a fac
[2:53:09] de on
[2:53:09] it that looks really good.
[2:53:10] We look forward to seeing what
[2:53:11] you guys are able to come up
[2:53:15] with.
[2:53:15] That's all I have.
[2:53:16] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:53:17] all right.
[2:53:17] Before.
[2:53:17] Apologize I want to
[2:53:20] recognize look smith we have
[2:53:20] you with us today.
[2:53:21] With that I will turn it to
[2:53:25] supervisor bailey.
[2:53:25] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[2:53:27] here I am there.
[2:53:32] Thanks for the presentation.
[2:53:33] The more we see it the more we
[2:53:37] understand it.
[2:53:38] I have two things.
[2:53:38] In prince william county
[2:53:40] manassas city we are dealing
[2:53:40] with old infrastructure.
[2:53:43] In
[2:53:44] the bennett building is an
[2:53:49] example of that.
[2:53:50] I agree with my colleague about
[2:53:51] when you talk about investing
[2:53:51] money, 46 million is a loft of
[2:53:57] money.
[2:53:57] 56.
[2:53:57] Excuse me.
[2:53:58] That is still more than a lot
[2:54:02] of money.
[2:54:05] As we talk about preservation
[2:54:09] of the old and incorporating
[2:54:11] that in the new I encourage you
[2:54:13] to think about it that way as
[2:54:15] we get grants
[2:54:15] .
[2:54:18] Similarly what they did with
[2:54:20] the museum and manassas city
[2:54:23] .
[2:54:23] But the thing I wanted to ask
[2:54:31] is going back to something
[2:54:32] supervisor gordy mentioned
[2:54:36] about the collaborative input
[2:54:37] between the clerks office and
[2:54:38] judicial system and the
[2:54:39] explanation our county attorney
[2:54:40] gave us
[2:54:41] .
[2:54:46] As we move along with this
[2:54:47] ,
[2:54:48] that is incorporating or has
[2:54:53] been incorporated.
[2:54:53] >> part of the design process
[2:54:54] is we bring in the customer and
[2:54:58] they participate in the process
[2:54:59] and identify what their needs
[2:55:01] are and they identify how the
[2:55:05] business they run rents
[2:55:08] effectively in the space.
[2:55:08] I don't run the circuit court
[2:55:19] so I need their input.
[2:55:19] Hey
[2:55:20] work with our design team in
[2:55:21] our facilities construction
[2:55:21] management team and they
[2:55:22] incorporate their needs into
[2:55:23] the final design and they have
[2:55:28] an opportunity to provide the
[2:55:29] feedback as to whether the
[2:55:29] design would be sufficient for
[2:55:35] what their needs are.
[2:55:36] We anticipate we expect them to
[2:55:37] be part of the process for
[2:55:38] designing whatever facility
[2:55:43] week instruct.
[2:55:44] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[2:55:46] do we have to do any additional
[2:55:49] digitizing documents and things
[2:55:54] like that as we are building?
[2:55:55] >> there MAY or MAY not be.
[2:55:57] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[2:55:58] but that doesn't involve this.
[2:56:00] In terms of cost.
[2:56:03] >> we have done a loft of work
[2:56:04] with the clerks recently
[2:56:06] .
[2:56:08] And think we had pretty good
[2:56:12] success digitizing records and
[2:56:13] we have a lot of space to be
[2:56:15] repurposed.
[2:56:16] There are also legal
[2:56:18] requirements and we will be
[2:56:23] taking that into account in
[2:56:24] taking into account what we
[2:56:25] design.
[2:56:27] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I
[2:56:28] mentioned that because it has
[2:56:33] to be.
[2:56:36] I do appreciate the hard work
[2:56:37] as it relates to the judicial
[2:56:42] center because it hasn't been
[2:56:48] done in a long time.
[2:56:49] The security piece as well.
[2:56:51] When I talk about elevators, is
[2:56:52] that incorporated the security
[2:56:54] piece in that?
[2:56:57] what does that look like?
[2:57:01] >> the whole building will have
[2:57:03] access control
[2:57:06] , video
[2:57:06] recording, lots of different
[2:57:14] things the sheriff's office
[2:57:15] needs.
[2:57:16] My team, the security team will
[2:57:16] be part of the design process
[2:57:17] to make sure we have the right
[2:57:22] infrastructure into the
[2:57:23] facility so it meets the
[2:57:24] expectations of the sheriff's
[2:57:28] office for what they need to do
[2:57:29] .
[2:57:30] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[2:57:30] thank you.
[2:57:31] Thank you MADAM Chair.
[2:57:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[2:57:33] thank you supervisor.
[2:57:38] Supervisor boddye.
[2:57:38] >> Kenny Boddye: I appreciate.
[2:57:39] I know we talked about it last
[2:57:40] time you thought of designing
[2:57:41] this in a way that can be
[2:57:41] expanded later.
[2:57:44] As we know right now it's so
[2:57:47] tight at the existing center
[2:57:48] they are taking space from
[2:57:53] other offices, one of which is
[2:57:54] in the chambers right now so I
[2:57:59] wanted to highlight that.
[2:58:00] My two questions, one.
[2:58:03] I think I MAY have asked this
[2:58:04] of the last time but is there
[2:58:06] going to be space contemplated
[2:58:07] for the public defenders
[2:58:11] office?
[2:58:11] >> that decision to my
[2:58:13] knowledge has not been made.
[2:58:13] I don't think if there is in
[2:58:18] this new building.
[2:58:19] Whether or not we make space
[2:58:20] somewhere else, that's a
[2:58:21] decision that will have to be
[2:58:25] made later.
[2:58:26] >> Kenny Boddye: I feel like I
[2:58:35] have raised that before.
[2:58:35] My second question and it goes
[2:58:36] back to what supervisor
[2:58:37] gordy
[2:58:37] said.
[2:58:38] This is a very utilitarian one
[2:58:39] there are no bells and whistles
[2:58:39] .
[2:58:40] There are also ones that have
[2:58:43] no more amenities and what have
[2:58:43] you.
[2:58:44] As you continue to go down the
[2:58:46] road of looking at that, if
[2:58:47] you're going to be a thought
[2:58:56] about the fact we different
[2:58:56] ecosystems of folks using the
[2:58:57] parking garage someone will be
[2:58:59] coming because they work in the
[2:59:00] judicial center and others will
[2:59:00] be coming because they MAY be
[2:59:06] having their day in court.
[2:59:07] We talked about the functional
[2:59:09] design and how that MAY feed
[2:59:10] into the infrastructure there?
[2:59:11] >> we focused on how the garage
[2:59:12] would work but as we get for
[2:59:16] their own we understand the
[2:59:16] city manasses does a lotta
[2:59:17] history there and is being used
[2:59:20] to support the court room.
[2:59:26] I assume in the design process
[2:59:27] we would try to weave that into
[2:59:40] the design of the exterior of
[2:59:41] the building so it blends in
[2:59:42] and it is not a utilitarian
[2:59:42] concrete building.
[2:59:43] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate
[2:59:43] that.
[2:59:44] Spoke also say if I can come to
[2:59:46] reiterate the point that matt
[2:59:46] made.
[2:59:47] As we engage in insurance
[2:59:47] office who escorts in some
[2:59:55] cases
[2:59:58] , the input would be there
[2:59:59] and how we might design the
[3:00:00] garage and away or make sure
[3:00:00] traffic is flowing in a way
[3:00:01] that is safe for
[3:00:02] all involved.
[3:00:03] >> Kenny Boddye: my last one
[3:00:04] goes back to what you mentioned
[3:00:06] earlier on linkedin some other
[3:00:15] things for the new building.
[3:00:15] You talk about solar, I
[3:00:16] appreciate that.
[3:00:18] Remind me, is this part in the
[3:00:18] dominion territory?
[3:00:19] >> it is in the city manasses.
[3:00:26] >> Kenny Boddye: do they have a
[3:00:26] connection fever solar?
[3:00:27] >> I don't believe they do
[3:00:28] because we will be putting
[3:00:32] solar on top of the current
[3:00:32] one.
[3:00:33] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate
[3:00:35] that.
[3:00:35] The significantly less cost so
[3:00:36] thank you so much.
[3:00:36] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:00:37] thank you.
[3:00:42] Supervisor vega?
[3:00:43] >> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM
[3:00:43] Chair.
[3:00:44] Thank you for answering
[3:00:44] questions.
[3:00:45] To staff to meet with you and
[3:00:46] acknowledge the clerk of the
[3:00:51] court for candor in expressing
[3:00:53] challenges we have had.
[3:00:56] The content no surprise we care
[3:00:59] about the dollars limit on
[3:01:00] about the due 2 million needed
[3:01:04] where are we at with current
[3:01:04] investments in the existing
[3:01:09] building.
[3:01:18] >> in the current facility
[3:01:19] , to
[3:01:22] date we have spent 23.5 million
[3:01:23] on different projects and 21
[3:01:26] million we have ongoing
[3:01:27] projects when total we have
[3:01:30] about $45 million in projects
[3:01:32] completed or ongoing right now
[3:01:37] since 2018.
[3:01:38] >> Yesli Vega: that is not
[3:01:39] included in the 200 million?
[3:01:44] >> it is not.
[3:01:45] >> Yesli Vega: what is a
[3:01:46] timeline in terms of completing
[3:01:46] the outstanding work?
[3:01:50] > the one that will take the
[3:01:50] longest will be the av work
[3:01:51] because it has to be done at
[3:01:52] night and we have to shut down
[3:01:59] a courtroom at a time.
[3:02:00] We are looking another two
[3:02:01] years at least.
[3:02:02] >> Yesli Vega: and then
[3:02:03] speaking about the challenges
[3:02:04] and problematic corridors, can
[3:02:05] you go into detail how we solve
[3:02:07] the challenges in the future
[3:02:12] building when it comes to the
[3:02:13] jury assembly room?
[3:02:25] >> the jury assembly space
[3:02:26] would be segregated out on the
[3:02:35] first level of the building.
[3:02:36] The two blue scare stairs we
[3:02:37] only used by the jurors and
[3:02:37] judges
[3:02:38] .
[3:02:38] They wouldn't have to be
[3:02:39] getting into the public
[3:02:41] elevators and then they would
[3:02:43] be taken upstairs to whatever
[3:02:52] courtroom process.
[3:02:53] On the levels two, three and
[3:02:54] four, you can see where the
[3:02:56] blue space is only for jurors
[3:02:57] and judges which the orange
[3:02:59] space separated from everybody
[3:03:05] is the prisoner transport area
[3:03:06] in the green spaces segregated
[3:03:07] from the blue and orange space
[3:03:10] as well
[3:03:10] .
[3:03:11] >> Yesli Vega: is it out of
[3:03:13] convenience
[3:03:13] .
[3:03:15] This is something I don't know.
[3:03:16] This is something we want to
[3:03:21] keep the jury room -- can you
[3:03:23] go back to the other slide?
[3:03:26] The other one.
[3:03:27] Is there a reason we want to
[3:03:31] keep it next of the clerk of
[3:03:38] courts office?
[3:03:39] >> we are using levels two,
[3:03:39] three and four forgive you
[3:03:40] where to put that on another
[3:03:44] floor you are using courtroom
[3:03:45] space for cover thought
[3:03:46] processes if you have a year
[3:03:46] could pool there and then from
[3:03:52] there the circuit court clerks
[3:03:53] office would take them to
[3:03:53] whatever court they are
[3:03:58] assigned to.
[3:03:59] >> Yesli Vega: I want to avoid
[3:04:00] current issues in terms of
[3:04:01] maximizing the space and not
[3:04:01] having to go and take more and
[3:04:02] more if we are talking about
[3:04:05] growth in the coming years and
[3:04:09] highlight the fact we can do a
[3:04:10] better job in regards to how we
[3:04:14] split up space in particular
[3:04:15] with courtroom seven, which was
[3:04:16] a huge investment and how much
[3:04:17] we are utilizing it.
[3:04:18] For us to take those into
[3:04:19] consideration and learn from
[3:04:20] them and to ensure we don't
[3:04:23] keep making the same mistakes
[3:04:25] over and over again
[3:04:26] .
[3:04:30] And then the last thing I
[3:04:31] wanted to bring up is in the
[3:04:32] presentation you identified the
[3:04:33] master plan calls for 15
[3:04:37] circuit court rooms, however,
[3:04:38] there's only toby included.
[3:04:43] Is
[3:04:44] there a reason?
[3:04:44] >> the feedback they gotten was
[3:04:53] they were looking for 10 and
[3:04:54] then they told us they needed
[3:04:54] 12.
[3:04:55] >> Yesli Vega: not that I am
[3:04:56] pushing for more courtrooms.
[3:04:57] I just wanted to make sure that
[3:04:57] it wasn't a typo.
[3:04:59] I just wanted to be consistent
[3:04:59] .
[3:05:00] And then lastly MADAM Chair, we
[3:05:01] are not approving anything
[3:05:01] today.
[3:05:04] Today is just a presentation.
[3:05:05] Understand we vent challenges
[3:05:06] but this opportunity to work
[3:05:07] through those challenges and
[3:05:12] make sure we have all key
[3:05:13] stakeholders being a part of a
[3:05:14] conversation to include our
[3:05:15] constitutional officers.
[3:05:16] Thank you.
[3:05:17] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:05:19] supervisor stewart
[3:05:19] .
[3:05:20] >> George Stewart: thank you
[3:05:23] for your presentation.
[3:05:24] I really appreciate it.
[3:05:28] A couple of questions.
[3:05:29] I agree with the point
[3:05:30] supervisors gordy and daly
[3:05:42] brought up about just how
[3:05:42] expensive it would be too redo
[3:05:43] the school for such a tiny
[3:05:53] space.
[3:05:54] But a couple things.
[3:05:55] This archaeological study, is
[3:05:55] there a plan.
[3:05:57] Manasses is such a golden
[3:05:57] historic place.
[3:05:58] It would not surprise me if you
[3:05:59] found something there.
[3:05:59] Is there a planned is what to
[3:06:02] do what is that branch off into
[3:06:08] opening or perhaps another
[3:06:09] issue of some sort about
[3:06:15] preserving that space
[3:06:16] , working
[3:06:17] with the museum to remediate
[3:06:19] and remove things
[3:06:21] .
[3:06:21] Is there a plan around that,
[3:06:22] first of all?
[3:06:23] >> there's a process we will
[3:06:26] have to follow in accordance
[3:06:27] with I believe the state laws
[3:06:27] .
[3:06:33] And we will follow that.
[3:06:34] Current firm dewberry has a lot
[3:06:34] of experience doing these types
[3:06:37] of projects
[3:06:39] .
[3:06:40] When they come across something
[3:06:40] we will have to make decisions
[3:06:41] on what it is we've come
[3:06:44] across, how to be deal with it
[3:06:45] moving forward
[3:06:58] .
[3:06:59] until we get to that point, we
[3:07:00] don't know what it is we are
[3:07:00] going to find.
[3:07:01] If it is artifacts and things,
[3:07:02] we can look to incorporate that
[3:07:03] in the new facility as part of
[3:07:04] the displays or things
[3:07:04] memorializing the bennett
[3:07:05] school.
[3:07:06] If there is something else we
[3:07:10] follow that process
[3:07:10] .
[3:07:11] >> George Stewart: speaking of
[3:07:14] which, I like supervisor gordy
[3:07:19] idea about that
[3:07:19] .
[3:07:22] It's a touchstone bringing that
[3:07:23] forward.
[3:07:28] The other question I have.
[3:07:29] What's happening now to ensure
[3:07:37] the safety of jurors if they
[3:07:38] don't have the proper spaces
[3:07:39] for deliberation or for
[3:07:48] assembly?
[3:07:49] What is being done to keep them
[3:07:49] safe?
[3:07:51] >> the sheriff's office in the
[3:07:51] hallways the process to do
[3:07:52] their best to keep the judges
[3:07:53] over their office staff popping
[3:07:54] out in the hallways when they
[3:07:55] are transporting presidents
[3:07:56] back and forth.
[3:07:57] The provide the security for
[3:08:00] the jurors when they are moving
[3:08:02] them in mass throughout the
[3:08:07] building.
[3:08:08] There's more to it but I can
[3:08:08] provide
[3:08:12] you the details.
[3:08:12] Sheriff's office has processes
[3:08:13] in place to provide security
[3:08:17] for the jurors
[3:08:18] .
[3:08:19] >> George Stewart: thank you.
[3:08:20] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:08:20] all right.
[3:08:21] We don't have anyone also thank
[3:08:22] you so very much for this
[3:08:25] presentation.
[3:08:27] you don't have anything else?
[3:08:30] We are done?
[3:08:30] All the right.
[3:08:31] We are going to go to agenda
[3:08:35] item 11, supervisors time.
[3:08:39] Before we go around the dais
[3:08:40] there are three outstanding
[3:08:41] items and I would like to take
[3:08:42] the votes separately.
[3:08:45] A couple of them I think will
[3:08:52] have a significant discussion.
[3:08:53] Can I get a motion to move 11 a
[3:08:53] forward?
[3:08:54] Properly moved and seconded.
[3:08:55] Would like to call for the
[3:08:58] vote.
[3:09:01] >> supervisor angry?
[3:09:45] >> Victor Angry: aye.
[3:09:46] It is not displaying but I have
[3:09:47] the vote. Unanimous.
[3:09:47] Supervisor franklin absent from
[3:09:47] vote.
[3:09:48] > Deshundra Jefferson,
[3:09:49] Mayor: we are going to move to
[3:09:50] housing obtain ability fast
[3:09:54] track measures
[3:09:54] .
[3:09:55] Supervisor boddye, I don't know
[3:09:56] if you have anything you want
[3:10:00] to speak to?
[3:10:02] >> Kenny Boddye: I didn't know
[3:10:02] if you want me to make the
[3:10:03] motion or preamble a little
[3:10:10] bit.
[3:10:11] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:10:11] if you want to make the motion
[3:10:12] and we can of discussion within
[3:10:13] that because I have one
[3:10:14] question and something I would
[3:10:16] like to amend
[3:10:17] .
[3:10:18] >> Kenny Boddye: I move 11 b
[3:10:19] for approval
[3:10:23] .
[3:10:24] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:10:25] it has been properly moved and
[3:10:26] seconded.
[3:10:26] Discussion.
[3:10:29] I will kick it off.
[3:10:30] On the second page of going to
[3:10:31] ask for the clarification
[3:10:31] .
[3:10:35] Residential development weaver
[3:10:36] reform and any other elements
[3:10:42] in the scope of work of the
[3:10:43] ordinance update related to
[3:10:43] housing.
[3:10:44] Can you clarify what you mean
[3:10:48] by weaver reform?
[3:10:49] >> Kenny Boddye: as anyone will
[3:10:51] tell you, quite a few times now
[3:10:52] when anyone comes through for
[3:10:54] development residential they
[3:10:56] have to request a law of
[3:11:03] waivers of examples engraved on
[3:11:09] this form, some other one where
[3:11:10] whether it is a unit type,
[3:11:11] setbacks, things like that.
[3:11:17] When the zoning ordinance was
[3:11:18] updated and created speaks to
[3:11:19] an earlier time when we had
[3:11:22] much more suburban and large
[3:11:22] scale development.
[3:11:24] It doesn't speak to what we're
[3:11:26] trying to go
[3:11:27] .
[3:11:28] We are trying to have a more
[3:11:30] compact design
[3:11:30] , taller
[3:11:31] buildings that are more
[3:11:37] walkable uneven unit types
[3:11:38] .
[3:11:38] Right now a lot of folks to
[3:11:39] come and if you want things
[3:11:42] like duplexes
[3:11:43] , things we really
[3:11:43] want to go 2 to make more
[3:11:48] housing stock, and lot of the
[3:11:48] zoning districts don't allow
[3:11:49] that so people have to ask for
[3:11:54] waivers and ask for these
[3:11:54] things.
[3:11:55] We have a lot of concrete
[3:11:58] examples where supervisor gordy
[3:11:58] has done a lotta good work
[3:12:01] trying to push developers to
[3:12:02] have more unit types rather
[3:12:04] than single-family homes and
[3:12:05] townhouses but renowned the
[3:12:07] zoning ordinance doesn't speak
[3:12:12] to that.
[3:12:13] If we want have better outcomes
[3:12:14] we need to have more
[3:12:15] flexibility for this because
[3:12:16] otherwise if a developer has to
[3:12:22] request waivers over and over
[3:12:23] again for these issues it costs
[3:12:23] time, money and more
[3:12:24] negotiating ticket causes more
[3:12:29] staff time because they have to
[3:12:30] review every single waiver that
[3:12:34] comes in.
[3:12:34] If these waivers were baked
[3:12:35] into the zoning ordinance we
[3:12:36] would have better outcomes and
[3:12:38] a much wider variety of unit
[3:12:38] types.
[3:12:42] All the things we like to see
[3:12:43] as we talk about urbanizing
[3:12:50] important areas of the county.
[3:12:51] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:12:52] I one more thing and I might
[3:12:53] have to do a friendly
[3:12:53] amendment.
[3:12:54] Does anyone else have anything
[3:12:54] they want to say?
[3:12:55] Supervisor gordy.
[3:12:59] >> Tom Gordy: I want to add on
[3:13:00] a look at the opportunity for
[3:13:01] like accessory living units,
[3:13:04] particularly in an area where
[3:13:04] parking is not a problem.
[3:13:06] Larger lots could have a
[3:13:11] basement apartment or limit
[3:13:19] good that opportunity for
[3:13:20] affordable housing in an area.
[3:13:21] Or instance, folks who had 10
[3:13:22] acre lots or five acre lots
[3:13:23] they have an opportunity to
[3:13:29] provide rental housing.
[3:13:29] Incidentally I have a neighbor
[3:13:30] of mine who is renting a
[3:13:35] bedroom to a marine
[3:13:37] .
[3:13:37] What you were looking at some
[3:13:38] of the folks we are trying to
[3:13:39] support here who it MAY be
[3:13:44] temporary housing
[3:13:46] .
[3:13:47] I know my wife and I when we
[3:13:48] started our jobs out of college
[3:13:48] we lived in the garage
[3:13:49] apartment
[3:13:49] .
[3:13:50] That was our first home.
[3:13:50] Nd
[3:13:59] so the opportunity to move that
[3:14:00] forward to get that done will
[3:14:01] serve to help us address
[3:14:02] affordability without actually
[3:14:05] having to go have read zonings
[3:14:07] or go through these challenging
[3:14:11] applications.
[3:14:12] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:14:12] thank you.
[3:14:20] So my concern is removing
[3:14:21] smaller dwelling unit such as
[3:14:22] tiny homes including under
[3:14:23] certain circumstances reducing
[3:14:25] or eliminating minimum lot
[3:14:26] sizes, setbacks, and other
[3:14:30] requirements.
[3:14:31] Been trying to do reading to
[3:14:32] catch up her tiny homes have
[3:14:32] taken off but from what I
[3:14:43] understand is not the same for
[3:14:43] mobile homes.
[3:14:44] That gives me concern
[3:14:45] concerned about the long-term
[3:14:46] impact about having tiny home
[3:14:46] communities and are there
[3:14:47] better ways I creating more
[3:14:50] diverse affordable housing
[3:14:50] stock
[3:14:50] .
[3:14:54] That was something I couldn't
[3:15:00] make peace with.
[3:15:02] If you are okay, I would like
[3:15:03] to amend this and remove the
[3:15:06] first bullet point I read on
[3:15:16] the second page.
[3:15:17] >> Kenny Boddye: tiny homes and
[3:15:23] small homes like this, we have
[3:15:23] to look to see how we are able
[3:15:24] to based on what the general
[3:15:30] assembly gives us.
[3:15:31] Lonely follow-up would be be
[3:15:33] able to if we slip this out now
[3:15:34] have the possibility of
[3:15:39] considering it later
[3:15:41] .
[3:15:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:15:42] I'm open to having discussion
[3:15:43] and see what authorities the
[3:15:49] general assembly gives us.
[3:15:50] Having not enough examples I am
[3:15:54] not comfortable with this.
[3:15:55] And so you are okay with the
[3:16:05] family amendment?
[3:16:06] Supervisor bailey seconded it.
[3:16:07] Any further discussion with
[3:16:08] removing that?
[3:16:12] I don't see
[3:16:12] anything so I will call for the
[3:16:13] vote
[3:16:19] .
[3:16:20] I don't have the vote on the
[3:16:21] friendly amendment.
[3:16:22] That's
[3:16:23] what I am thinking
[3:16:29] .
[3:16:30] Okay.
[3:16:30] Supervisor boddye.
[3:16:32] >> Kenny Boddye: am not going
[3:16:38] to wax poetic too much on this.
[3:16:39] The basis of the resolution as
[3:16:40] I said before and as is in the
[3:16:44] resolution, this washington and
[3:16:45] her staff are working to bring
[3:16:46] forth a comprehensive zoning
[3:16:47] ordinance update.
[3:16:50] But we can't wait until 2027 to
[3:16:51] fix the housing crisis quickly
[3:16:54] adopted the conference and plan
[3:16:58] at the end of 2022 and we are
[3:16:59] 2.5 years beyond that and we
[3:17:00] don't have a zoning ordinance
[3:17:01] that handshakes to the things I
[3:17:03] talked about.
[3:17:10] I appreciate supervisor gordy.
[3:17:11] Then we go with read zonings,
[3:17:12] proper amendments, all these
[3:17:13] other things to do the larger
[3:17:19] projects winamp options on the
[3:17:20] table having that in law suite,
[3:17:20] having the fully functional
[3:17:22] kitchen outlawed in prince
[3:17:22] william county.
[3:17:23] Having the ability to allow
[3:17:27] folks to have slightly larger
[3:17:31] lots when they are able to put
[3:17:32] a new apartment on there to
[3:17:36] give folks more options.
[3:17:37] We have overreaching
[3:17:41] regulations created and not
[3:17:42] reflect the reality of how
[3:17:44] folks lived today.
[3:17:47] Renault one in three households
[3:17:48] in our county is cost burden
[3:17:49] term for one people spending 30
[3:17:51] percent of their income on
[3:17:52] housing
[3:17:52] .
[3:17:55] It's no wonder the first time
[3:17:59] home buyer is 40 years old in
[3:17:59] this region.
[3:18:09] On the average home price is no
[3:18:10] $600,000 personal that renters
[3:18:10] have anything better either
[3:18:11] prevent
[3:18:11] two-bedroom apartment
[3:18:12] rents $2000 a month of ending
[3:18:13] oreo trying to live.
[3:18:14] That is not sustainable.
[3:18:16] The prices is hurting our
[3:18:16] younger residents on people
[3:18:19] trying to get established and
[3:18:20] move through their lives as
[3:18:24] they work through their careers
[3:18:25] .
[3:18:25] I'm not going to talk about it
[3:18:26] too much.
[3:18:27] It's in the resolution but one
[3:18:34] is creating a framework
[3:18:34] allowing houses of worship to
[3:18:35] build affordable housing on
[3:18:36] their land.
[3:18:36] Make it easier and faster for
[3:18:37] them to go through the review
[3:18:38] process for developing
[3:18:40] accessory dwelling units
[3:18:40] policy.
[3:18:46] Number three is removing arista
[3:18:46] smaller homes.
[3:18:47] We talked about that and pulled
[3:18:48] that out.
[3:18:49] And evaluate the county owned
[3:18:49] lands
[3:18:54] .
[3:18:55] We will be looking at parkland
[3:18:56] but county owned land outside
[3:18:57] of parks to create more
[3:19:01] obtainable housing
[3:19:01] .
[3:19:02] Places like libraries and other
[3:19:08] public facilities to allow us
[3:19:09] to use the fact we use public
[3:19:09] land that developer who comes
[3:19:14] in without afterward about the
[3:19:15] land cost to establish housing
[3:19:16] which means that cost is
[3:19:17] transferred to the eventual
[3:19:18] homeowner or renter
[3:19:20] .
[3:19:25] We talked before and why we
[3:19:31] should single use lots anymore.
[3:19:32] To bring people closer to the
[3:19:33] amenities they unveil
[3:19:40] themselves on.
[3:19:41] These were added by staff to
[3:19:42] empower county workforce to
[3:19:42] better do outreach, fit lots
[3:19:50] better and be able to have
[3:19:51] advanced tools for their
[3:19:51] analyses pick I will finish
[3:19:52] missing this prince william
[3:19:53] county should have a place
[3:19:54] where a nurse, schoolteacher
[3:19:55] and everyone else makes our
[3:19:56] lives better can afford to live
[3:19:59] here but this represents a
[3:20:00] meaningful step towards out and
[3:20:01] makes prince william county
[3:20:05] better for all.
[3:20:06] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:20:06] thank you so very much.
[3:20:13] We can take our vote.
[3:20:17] That is what I am saying.
[3:20:22] I thought you were cleared out.
[3:20:23] >> George Stewart: this is
[3:20:24] directing staff to compile the
[3:20:26] ordinance and bring it back to
[3:20:27] us
[3:20:27] .
[3:20:33] Is there a way to do it
[3:20:34] comprehensively as one whole
[3:20:38] thing instead?
[3:20:43] >> Kenny Boddye: yes unknown.
[3:20:44] When this is happening as the
[3:20:48] zoning ordinance update
[3:20:48] corporate housing but
[3:20:49] commercial
[3:20:49] spaces, mixed-use and
[3:20:53] a bunch of other things.
[3:20:54] It peels out the things that
[3:20:54] pertain to housing and brings
[3:20:59] back all those comprehensively
[3:21:00] for us that's why one of the
[3:21:01] other bullets says anything
[3:21:02] that deals with housing all the
[3:21:06] housing stuff would come
[3:21:07] pensively but it comes before
[3:21:11] the commercial and non-piece
[3:21:14] of the update.
[3:21:15] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:21:17] I apologize.
[3:21:18] All right.
[3:21:26] Let's go ahead if there's
[3:21:27] nothing else.
[3:21:28] No one else?
[3:21:28] Kay.
[3:21:28] Let's vote.
[3:21:47] That was a yes.
[3:21:50] >> motion passes unanimously.
[3:21:52] Supervisor franklin and vega
[3:22:03] absent from vote.
[3:22:04] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:22:05] we are moving to 11 c and let
[3:22:05] us dissolve the prince william
[3:22:06] county arts council put forth.
[3:22:07] I don't know if you have
[3:22:07] anything to say.
[3:22:08] Because you don't sound so
[3:22:18] good.
[3:22:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:22:20] I have a lot of questions but
[3:22:21] seeing as you are not here and
[3:22:24] feeling well I have a lot of
[3:22:25] reservations about this because
[3:22:26] there are too many questions
[3:22:26] for me.
[3:22:27] Who is going to lead this
[3:22:32] nonprofit.
[3:22:33] Why hasn't it been up and
[3:22:33] running.
[3:22:34] Why not working with existing
[3:22:39] groups.
[3:22:40] What would be the roll and
[3:22:41] hearing from members of the
[3:22:42] arts council they had a lot of
[3:22:42] concerns.
[3:22:43] They don't feel they had a
[3:22:48] proper head's up in discussion.
[3:22:49] And so for those reasons I will
[3:22:50] be voting against this,
[3:22:56] however, I would like to go
[3:22:56] ahead.
[3:22:57] I don't know if you would like
[3:22:59] to do the motion, victor?
[3:22:59] Is there a second?
[3:23:08] Move it and seconded.
[3:23:09] Will give the second two
[3:23:10] supervisor bailey.
[3:23:11] Any further discussion on this?
[3:23:22] Go on.
[3:23:23] >> Tom Gordy: I appreciate
[3:23:24] everyone who came out to speak
[3:23:24] and I had phone calls from
[3:23:28] concerned constituents.
[3:23:32] The best I can tell, we have
[3:23:34] some personality conflicts and
[3:23:35] that seems to be what is
[3:23:41] driving the challenges related
[3:23:47] to the arts council.
[3:23:50] I believe in reconciliation.
[3:23:51] I believe people need to come
[3:23:53] together and work out their
[3:23:57] differences.
[3:23:58] Regardless of what we do here
[3:24:02] today, that still needs to
[3:24:04] happen.
[3:24:07] No matter what we do next, the
[3:24:08] problem is still going to be
[3:24:14] there.
[3:24:15] The one challenge I have
[3:24:19] someone who runs a nonprofit in
[3:24:20] my civilian job I know how much
[3:24:22] it takes to get a nonprofit up
[3:24:25] and running.
[3:24:31] You have to go intimate the
[3:24:33] paperwork and get approved and
[3:24:33] that would take six months in
[3:24:34] and of itself.
[3:24:34] We could be talking about the
[3:24:35] year before nonprofit could
[3:24:38] even be established in order to
[3:24:40] provide the continuity of what
[3:24:41] we are talking about here.
[3:24:45] I
[3:24:47] know the motion is on the floor
[3:24:48] .
[3:24:49] Given the fact supervisor angry
[3:24:55] is not here and wish he was and
[3:24:58] he was able to speak.
[3:24:59] I'm really praying for you.
[3:25:00] That sounds really bad what
[3:25:03] you're dealing with.
[3:25:04] Maybe we could do for this to
[3:25:05] JANUARY
[3:25:08] .
[3:25:10] From what I am hearing on the
[3:25:14] resolutions calling for a
[3:25:14] nonprofit to be established
[3:25:16] outside the county purview, but
[3:25:29] I'm here in the potential of an
[3:25:29] arts commission being
[3:25:30] established by the county.
[3:25:30] And I would like to get clarity
[3:25:31] what the next steps are on the
[3:25:32] direction we are going to go
[3:25:33] and if we are going to move
[3:25:34] from one to the next I think
[3:25:34] there needs to be a seamless
[3:25:35] transition rather than a gap in
[3:25:36] order for us to maintain the
[3:25:39] continuity
[3:25:39] , and in the meantime
[3:25:41] hopefully we can find out the
[3:25:42] basis of these relational
[3:25:45] conflict and seek to get that
[3:25:51] resolved so that whatever
[3:25:52] happens next moves forward in
[3:25:53] unity and that's my perspective
[3:25:53] on it.
[3:26:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:26:01] supervisor angry, I know you
[3:26:01] are not well.
[3:26:02] How do you feel about deferring
[3:26:03] this until you are here for the
[3:26:04] discussion?
[3:26:08] >> Victor Angry: okay.
[3:26:12] This is hard to talk.
[3:26:17] Can I send an email to someone?
[3:26:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:26:19] for the record I did get a text
[3:26:27] from supervisor angry and he
[3:26:28] says it's pointless to defer.
[3:26:28] S that how you feel?
[3:26:29] Because we can continue the
[3:26:31] discussion.
[3:26:32] >> Victor Angry: is that how I
[3:26:32] feel?
[3:26:37] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:26:38] you do not want to differ?
[3:26:39] >> Victor Angry: no.
[3:26:40] > Deshundra Jefferson,
[3:26:40] Mayor: I'm going to continue
[3:26:41] on.
[3:26:47] Supervisor vega?
[3:26:48] >> Yesli Vega: supervisor angry
[3:26:49] is here.
[3:26:49] He is not here physically but
[3:26:50] he is here and I think his
[3:26:51] intent has been made clear.
[3:26:52] It's not the first time we
[3:26:52] heard
[3:26:52] about this.
[3:26:53] That's why we will make a
[3:26:54] decision here today.
[3:26:55] Let's address the elephant in
[3:26:56] the room.
[3:26:56] I understand what you are
[3:26:57] saying.
[3:27:00] I just don't think we are at a
[3:27:01] point where we are going to fix
[3:27:04] the problems that have been
[3:27:05] going on for a long time but
[3:27:07] you've seen the emails
[3:27:08] , some
[3:27:09] very nasty personal attacks
[3:27:09] have flown back and forth.
[3:27:15] The reality is and is not the
[3:27:16] boards job or his department
[3:27:20] job to babysit this counsel.
[3:27:21] I believe the next course of
[3:27:22] action imprudent one would be
[3:27:24] too establish a nonprofit so
[3:27:29] they can go ahead and manage
[3:27:30] things in a much more efficient
[3:27:30] way.
[3:27:31] O for that reason I'm
[3:27:32] going to be supporting this
[3:27:34] initiative.
[3:27:39] I do hope and I believe this
[3:27:40] nonprofit will be started up
[3:27:40] fairly quickly because we heard
[3:27:41] from a lot of passionate folks
[3:27:42] who are passionate about the
[3:27:43] arts and I know they won't let
[3:27:51] this initiative fall through
[3:27:52] the cracks so I call for the
[3:27:52] vote.
[3:27:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:27:54] I have two other people.
[3:27:54] Supervisor bailey?
[3:27:55] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[3:27:59] thank you MADAM Chair.
[3:28:06] I agree with supervisor vega.
[3:28:07] Think because of how strong and
[3:28:08] dedicated folks are to the
[3:28:11] passion of arts, they will
[3:28:12] continue to make sure that the
[3:28:13] community gets the benefit of
[3:28:14] that.
[3:28:15] I think we are at a point where
[3:28:17] make it decision.
[3:28:23] I brought this forward and it
[3:28:24] was somewhat of a surprise to
[3:28:26] most of my colleagues, but I
[3:28:27] brought this forward where we
[3:28:29] are discussing this today.
[3:28:31] I think we need to move
[3:28:34] forward, start on over them in
[3:28:35] some senses.
[3:28:37] We do need to have the tough
[3:28:44] discussions we need to move
[3:28:45] forward so we can serve the
[3:28:45] community.
[3:28:47] I will be supporting this
[3:28:47] .
[3:28:48] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:28:49] supervisor stewart?
[3:28:53] >> George Stewart: I had a
[3:28:56] friend who was very upset
[3:28:56] living in new york.
[3:29:06] I think
[3:29:07] she wanted to move to phoenix
[3:29:08] and she goes new york is done
[3:29:09] with me I'm going to move to
[3:29:10] phoenix and I said guess who is
[3:29:10] going to be waiting for you at
[3:29:11] baggage claim.
[3:29:11] You.
[3:29:15] We bring our problems with us.
[3:29:16] If there is a personality
[3:29:21] conflict
[3:29:21] , the new folks are
[3:29:22] going to bring it to the new
[3:29:28] location.
[3:29:29] I agree with the supervisor
[3:29:32] gordy on it.
[3:29:33] This might be an opportunity
[3:29:34] where if you do differ it
[3:29:39] , and
[3:29:40] gives them time to get their
[3:29:41] stuff in one sock and work it
[3:29:46] out.
[3:29:47] I would like to give them the
[3:29:48] opportunity to go ahead and do
[3:29:51] that.
[3:29:53] There's a law that passion.
[3:29:55] I've been playing music since I
[3:29:55] was eight years old.
[3:29:59] Clarinet in the saxophone.
[3:30:04] I still played today.
[3:30:05] I just realized that's 50
[3:30:09] years.
[3:30:15] Anyway, I think we should give
[3:30:17] it a month.
[3:30:18] If we are going to call for the
[3:30:21] vote, we are going to call for
[3:30:22] the vote.
[3:30:23] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:30:26] supervisor boddye I am of two
[3:30:29] minds on this because I bridget
[3:30:31] the folks who came to speak
[3:30:33] today and I understand all this
[3:30:38] was a surprise to them how this
[3:30:41] was put on the agenda.
[3:30:42] At the same time, these issues
[3:30:45] are not new.
[3:30:46] Even before the emails we
[3:30:47] received over the last two or
[3:30:51] three months, we know there has
[3:30:54] been a lot of tension festering
[3:30:55] there has been a lot of issues
[3:30:56] around the folks that have been
[3:31:00] a part of this
[3:31:00] .
[3:31:01] I do not want to diminish the
[3:31:02] work that counsel has done.
[3:31:03] They have done a lot of great
[3:31:07] work since the beginning
[3:31:07] .
[3:31:08] The progress mentioned in the
[3:31:11] resolution put to a nonprofit
[3:31:11] are proof in the pudding they
[3:31:15] do good work and there's
[3:31:19] obviously a place for arts and
[3:31:20] we promote the arts in the
[3:31:20] county.
[3:31:21] T the same time I am
[3:31:25] always one to look for other
[3:31:28] other folks doing this work you
[3:31:29] could connect with.
[3:31:30] The prince william arts
[3:31:33] society.
[3:31:34] I don't know if anyone reached
[3:31:39] out to them to see if someone
[3:31:40] wanted to continue this from
[3:31:41] the arts council would join up
[3:31:43] with art society that is a
[3:31:43] pre-existing group.
[3:31:48] There
[3:31:48] might be some
[3:31:48] there that there
[3:31:49] is a going to be a huge span of
[3:31:50] time.
[3:31:51] They can approach an
[3:31:55] existing one.
[3:31:56] Worked in partnership with arts
[3:31:59] council
[3:32:00] .
[3:32:01] I don't think I will be
[3:32:02] speaking to much when I say
[3:32:04] they would be staff support
[3:32:05] should they have the next
[3:32:06] endeavor, especially if they go
[3:32:07] to the art society and find
[3:32:10] partnership with them.
[3:32:12] Emerge all the time when they
[3:32:14] find the missions are aligned.
[3:32:21] The good of economies of scale
[3:32:21] and connecting with an existing
[3:32:22] group linked art society MAY
[3:32:23] allow there to be a stabilized
[3:32:25] first the other folks are not a
[3:32:32] part of the trauma.
[3:32:33] , we will be supporting the
[3:32:37] solution know I won't one to
[3:32:38] diminish the work being done, I
[3:32:39] don't want to diminish the work
[3:32:40] that has been done by my
[3:32:40] appointee and I hope we
[3:32:41] continue to support the arts
[3:32:45] council as they look at their
[3:32:45] next chapter.
[3:32:46] Hank you MADAM
[3:32:53] Chair.
[3:32:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:32:55] hold on.
[3:32:56] Supervisor gordy, did you have
[3:32:56] something else he wanted to
[3:32:57] add?
[3:33:00] >> Tom Gordy: to clarify, begin
[3:33:01] I'm still confused on whether
[3:33:02] the next move according to the
[3:33:02] resolution says nonprofit but I
[3:33:05] am hearing the potential for a
[3:33:06] commission as a directive, next
[3:33:09] month.
[3:33:10] Can I get clarity
[3:33:18] ?
[3:33:19] This has been fed to me today
[3:33:20] and I want to make sure what
[3:33:23] the next steps are and what the
[3:33:25] plan is.
[3:33:26] Or not there'd be commission
[3:33:30] directive put forward when we
[3:33:35] meet again next year.
[3:33:44] >> MR. Shorter: there is a
[3:33:45] parks commission currently.
[3:33:46] My understanding and I can have
[3:33:46] seth come down, is that the
[3:33:49] languages encouraging groups to
[3:33:50] set up a nonprofit or any kind
[3:33:52] of private organization.
[3:34:01] We are not saying any component
[3:34:02] of the arts council, the arts
[3:34:03] council itself or any
[3:34:07] individual that MAY be
[3:34:08] participating has to go out and
[3:34:12] create a nonprofit in order for
[3:34:12] grants programs or special
[3:34:14] events to content you.
[3:34:15] We will continue the special
[3:34:15] events.
[3:34:17] We will work with a
[3:34:20] partner whether it was
[3:34:24] competitively or not.
[3:34:27] The arts grants
[3:34:28] , the program
[3:34:32] will be administered.
[3:34:36] In terms of the next steps, I
[3:34:37] don't believe the languages
[3:34:38] saying we are requiring a
[3:34:50] nonprofit be established.
[3:34:51] What we are suggesting is we
[3:34:52] were encouraging a nonprofit
[3:34:53] because it makes it easier to
[3:34:54] apply for grants, it makes it
[3:34:54] easier to work with the
[3:34:55] organization.
[3:34:57] > my colleague texted me and
[3:34:58] said his intent is to put
[3:34:58] forward a directive for a
[3:35:03] commission next year.
[3:35:07] That will fill a gap
[3:35:09] .
[3:35:13] And so based on that I will be
[3:35:21] supporting it as long as I
[3:35:21] commission is established.
[3:35:23] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:35:24] I do have questions and maybe
[3:35:24] supervisor angry can message
[3:35:25] me.
[3:35:26] Are we choosing sides
[3:35:28] ?
[3:35:33] Every one of the arts council,
[3:35:34] are they going to be invited to
[3:35:37] be a part of the nonprofit.
[3:35:37] Where is the select group go
[3:35:40] integrated nonprofit.
[3:35:40] Were going to have two
[3:35:44] competing nonprofits?
[3:35:44] I am worried about choosing
[3:35:48] sides and without having the
[3:35:49] information I cannot support
[3:35:54] this
[3:35:55] .
[3:35:55] There has been a lot of
[3:35:59] personality conflicts
[3:36:00] .
[3:36:01] People are not getting along.
[3:36:03] I don't understand the genesis
[3:36:03] of that.
[3:36:06] I'm sorry it has come to this,
[3:36:07] but I'm worried and I want to
[3:36:08] be on record if we are choosing
[3:36:11] sides.
[3:36:11] We will be invited to
[3:36:15] participate in this new
[3:36:16] nonprofit.
[3:36:24] That the huge concern for me.
[3:36:25] Especially since the
[3:36:26] allegations I've heard about
[3:36:27] being silenced and shot out,
[3:36:28] being a click, being
[3:36:30] discriminatory from some of the
[3:36:35] members who feel they are not
[3:36:37] welcome to be a part of this
[3:36:38] .
[3:36:38] I'm going to be cautious on
[3:36:40] this one and that is why I am
[3:36:40] voting no.
[3:36:41] Upervisor vega
[3:36:42] .
[3:36:44] >> Yesli Vega: in thinking
[3:36:47] perfectly summarized how toxic
[3:36:48] unfortunately the counsel has
[3:36:51] become become not picking
[3:36:52] anyone sign.
[3:36:52] I'm being prudent and I
[3:36:55] understand the ship of civility
[3:36:56] in the ship of coming a meeting
[3:36:57] in the middle have sailed and
[3:36:59] sailed far away when you folks
[3:37:02] emailing board members to
[3:37:07] unemployed people.
[3:37:07] Making claims that have
[3:37:10] absolutely no evidence or proof
[3:37:11] is indicative the group is not
[3:37:13] working and so here is the
[3:37:20] council serving.
[3:37:21] I had to come to the
[3:37:22] realization it is not serving
[3:37:23] the purpose for which it was
[3:37:26] created and we have to start
[3:37:27] over again and this is the best
[3:37:28] course of action regarding
[3:37:33] picking sides?
[3:37:34] I'm basing my decision off of
[3:37:35] how ineffective the counsel has
[3:37:35] become and I wouldn't want to
[3:37:36] be part of such a toxic
[3:37:37] environment.
[3:37:38] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:37:42] supervisor bailey
[3:37:43] .
[3:37:44] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[3:37:45] I
[3:37:45] agree.
[3:37:46] I'm not taking sides at all.
[3:37:49] This is an opportunity for us
[3:37:49] to clear the air and get the
[3:37:52] focus on the community and not
[3:37:53] on personalities and to
[3:37:55] understand creating a new
[3:37:56] mission and vision for the
[3:38:00] county to serve the county.
[3:38:00] we need to preserve the
[3:38:05] template.
[3:38:05] The county executive says we
[3:38:06] are
[3:38:07] going to continue with the
[3:38:07] programs.
[3:38:11] I think that's very important.
[3:38:13] The negative synergy created in
[3:38:16] this environment needs to be
[3:38:19] the views dissolved and we move
[3:38:22] forward with a brand-new
[3:38:22] , fresh
[3:38:25] commission we move forward with
[3:38:26] brand-new fresh vision to serve
[3:38:27] the county.
[3:38:29] I'm certainly not picking
[3:38:34] sides.
[3:38:35] As we move forward to
[3:38:36] transformative ideas and
[3:38:38] transformative talent that we
[3:38:38] move forward with
[3:38:40] transformative decisions on how
[3:38:44] we do that.
[3:38:45] Not picking sides but we need a
[3:38:46] fresh minutes moving forward
[3:38:49] to.
[3:38:50] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:38:51] supervisor stewart
[3:38:55] .
[3:38:56] >> George Stewart: I took my
[3:38:56] name.
[3:38:57] >> Deshundra
[3:38:57] Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:38:58] supervisor gordy.
[3:39:03] >> Tom Gordy: I misspoke
[3:39:03] .
[3:39:04] Supervisor angry it's not
[3:39:05] putting forward a directive for
[3:39:06] a commission.
[3:39:07] Wanted to correct the record
[3:39:10] for that.
[3:39:11] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:39:12] thank you so very much.
[3:39:18] Let's go ahead and take a vote.
[3:39:35] >> supervisor angry?
[3:39:35] Motion passes 5/2 supervisors
[3:39:37] gordy and chair jefferson
[3:39:41] voting no.
[3:39:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:39:46] thank you so much.
[3:39:47] we are now going to go around
[3:39:48] the horn and I will start with
[3:39:49] supervisor vega.
[3:39:50] She is not ready so I will
[3:39:56] start with supervisor gordy.
[3:39:57] >> Tom Gordy: I will make this
[3:39:57] quick.
[3:39:58] On the 11th of the pleasure of
[3:39:59] attending the parks foundation
[3:39:59] reception
[3:40:00] .
[3:40:02] We have such a great community
[3:40:07] of supporters for our parks and
[3:40:08] to see them all in one place
[3:40:08] and see
[3:40:08] the commitment and
[3:40:10] excitement, especially after
[3:40:14] the opening of the pump track
[3:40:16] has them energized looking
[3:40:17] forward to the next
[3:40:19] opportunities to support our
[3:40:21] community.
[3:40:22] And I enjoyed visiting with the
[3:40:24] misty creek community to
[3:40:28] discuss issues related to their
[3:40:32] roads and opportunities how we
[3:40:35] can address that.
[3:40:36] Yesterday and begin hanukkah.
[3:40:44] I want to wish our jewish
[3:40:45] community happy hanukkah.
[3:40:46] It started off rough with what
[3:40:46] happened
[3:40:47] in sydney and our
[3:40:48] hearts go out to all those
[3:40:48] families.
[3:40:49] Some of that did hit close to
[3:40:50] home
[3:40:50] .
[3:40:53] Some folks from this area were
[3:40:54] over there participating in
[3:40:56] sydney
[3:40:56] .
[3:41:01] They are having the menorah
[3:41:02] lighting at that out list
[3:41:06] walking gainesville.
[3:41:07] I certainly want to welcome the
[3:41:08] community in support of jewish
[3:41:09] neighbors.
[3:41:10] And then I want to wish our
[3:41:12] community a very merry
[3:41:13] christmas and happy new year
[3:41:16] happy holidays and look forward
[3:41:22] to seeing everyone again in the
[3:41:23] new year.
[3:41:24] I will say 2025 has been rough.
[3:41:25] I'm ready for it to be over
[3:41:26] with.
[3:41:28] And has been a challenging year
[3:41:32] for my family and so looking
[3:41:33] forward to a better 26.
[3:41:36] Thank you.
[3:41:41] >> Yesli Vega: of a directive
[3:41:42] you have all seen.
[3:41:42] Without objection I would like
[3:41:44] to direct the county executive
[3:41:45] to work with staff to compiling
[3:41:48] clear and complete breakdown of
[3:41:50] all county funds, services, and
[3:41:51] resources and other public
[3:41:56] education programs
[3:41:57] .
[3:41:58] This should include not only
[3:41:58] budgeted transfers or
[3:41:59] appropriations but additional
[3:42:00] money approved aside the annual
[3:42:18] budget process is only a
[3:42:19] services or resources provided
[3:42:20] to the county departments such
[3:42:20] as information technology,
[3:42:21] parks and recreation, or other
[3:42:22] shared services.
[3:42:23] They should identify the
[3:42:24] purpose of funding source for
[3:42:24] each item and specify whether
[3:42:25] it is required by state
[3:42:26] mandate, local policy, or
[3:42:26] provided at the boards
[3:42:27] discretion part county
[3:42:28] attorneys office is directed to
[3:42:29] review the regulations for
[3:42:30] legal issues on the research
[3:42:31] and work is complete the county
[3:42:32] executive should the board with
[3:42:32] his analysis and
[3:42:33] recommendations by memorandum
[3:42:34] within 60 days of the board
[3:42:34] directive.
[3:42:39] That is all I have.
[3:42:40] Merry christmas.
[3:42:40] Happy new year.
[3:42:41] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:42:41] supervisor boddye.
[3:42:45] >> Kenny Boddye: at supervisor
[3:42:45] increase request I'm going to
[3:42:47] start with his supervisors time
[3:42:47] .
[3:42:48] He wanted to put in his notice
[3:42:52] of intent to -- the advisory
[3:42:58] committee.
[3:42:59] I wanted to make sure you have
[3:43:00] that and he says merry
[3:43:00] christmas.
[3:43:01] Down to the occoquan time.
[3:43:05] I wanted to first thank
[3:43:06] everyone who came out to join
[3:43:10] me at the two open houses that
[3:43:10] happened on friday.
[3:43:11] Irst in
[3:43:13] the morning we went to the
[3:43:20] senior center breakfast lunch I
[3:43:21] wanted to thank supervisor
[3:43:21] franklin for her invitation to
[3:43:23] that.
[3:43:23] Was a great time.
[3:43:31] They live it up.
[3:43:31] There was a lot of festivities.
[3:43:32] I want to say thank you
[3:43:34] supervisor franklin to all the
[3:43:34] staff that helped make that
[3:43:35] event a success every year.
[3:43:35] N
[3:43:39] the evening my staff and other
[3:43:40] folks went to the gainesville
[3:43:41] district open house.
[3:43:43] Wanted to say supervisor
[3:43:45] stewart and his staff do not
[3:43:45] play when it comes into
[3:43:47] throwing a great party.
[3:43:55] They spend a lot of time
[3:43:56] decorating with their office.
[3:43:57] It was well received big
[3:43:58] congratulations to your first
[3:43:59] open house, supervisor stewart.
[3:44:00] Sunday my family and I took
[3:44:01] part in our annual santa trains
[3:44:06] and manasses.
[3:44:07] For folks of not been
[3:44:07] on the
[3:44:08] brt, I invite you to do so.
[3:44:09] My four-year-old, my
[3:44:10] two-year-old and 13-year-old
[3:44:15] lovett
[3:44:15] .
[3:44:16] We see santa claus.
[3:44:17] There are elves, caroling,
[3:44:17] singing
[3:44:17] .
[3:44:24] Is a really good time.
[3:44:25] If you're concerned about your
[3:44:26] kids having candy canes or
[3:44:26] candy, you should pass because
[3:44:29] they get out a lot of candy on
[3:44:29] that my kids were bouncing
[3:44:30] around throughout the day.
[3:44:37] Also wanted to talk about
[3:44:38] yesterday morning.
[3:44:39] I attended alongside supervisor
[3:44:43] bailey and angry the annual
[3:44:44] transportation legislative town
[3:44:48] hall forum put on by prt c, vre
[3:44:53] and in vtc.
[3:44:54] It's always great to bring so
[3:44:55] many transit nerds into the
[3:44:59] same building to talk about
[3:45:00] transit in our region.
[3:45:01] A lot of great conversations
[3:45:03] come out of that.
[3:45:04] My team was able to join rabbi
[3:45:07] in the jewish community for the
[3:45:09] menorah lighting and occoquan.
[3:45:11] Wanted to thank the jewish
[3:45:18] community in our county for
[3:45:19] continuing that tradition then
[3:45:19] supervisor gordy said, during
[3:45:20] this rough period folks are
[3:45:26] going through.
[3:45:27] With that, I have nothing else
[3:45:27] and I hope everyone has happy
[3:45:30] holidays, happy kwanzaa, happy
[3:45:31] hanukkah, merry christmas and
[3:45:31] happy new year.
[3:45:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:45:34] you forgot for the rest of us.
[3:45:34] All right.
[3:45:42] Supervisor stewart
[3:45:44] .
[3:45:45] >> MR. Shorter: stole my
[3:45:45] thunder and now it's time for
[3:45:46] the grievances.
[3:45:48] [Laughter]
[3:45:49] i want to thank everybody who
[3:45:50] came out to the gainesville
[3:45:53] office for the open house.
[3:45:53] T
[3:45:57] was like 12 days of christmas
[3:46:10] and thanks for being there
[3:46:10] ,
[3:46:11] thanks for the support.
[3:46:12] It was great posting you all
[3:46:13] got a great time and can't wait
[3:46:13] for christmas next year.
[3:46:14] The next day the town or
[3:46:15] haymarket, speaking about
[3:46:16] artists, the best in the county
[3:46:17] descended upon haymarket for
[3:46:18] their town bazaar and tree
[3:46:21] lighting.
[3:46:30] It was a great time.
[3:46:31] We had that haymarket polar
[3:46:33] express train for the kids and
[3:46:39] it was really great.
[3:46:40] Yesterday I attended the
[3:46:41] unveiling of
[3:46:48] elevate 2030.
[3:46:49] The prince william county
[3:46:50] school strategic plan for the
[3:46:51] next five years, which was
[3:46:53] great.
[3:46:54] This morning I attended the
[3:46:55] ribbon-cutting for the veterans
[3:47:01] care center on van til rd.
[3:47:10] Really awesome facility.
[3:47:10] Took some time to
[3:47:11] get it done,
[3:47:11] but from what I saw today it
[3:47:12] was worth every bit of the
[3:47:13] weight.
[3:47:14] The governor was there for the
[3:47:19] ribbon-cutting and for any
[3:47:20] marine or sailor who knows the
[3:47:22] name polar, this place was
[3:47:30] aptly named.
[3:47:30] And if there was going to be a
[3:47:31] place dedicated to the whole
[3:47:38] family, this was it.
[3:47:39] I want to wish everybody a
[3:47:40] happy holiday
[3:47:42] , merry christmas,
[3:47:51] happy hanukkah, happy kwanzaa.
[3:47:52] This has been for me an amazing
[3:47:52] year.
[3:47:53] T the beginning of the
[3:47:58] year I was in this room in a
[3:47:59] completely different way and
[3:48:03] now I find myself here.
[3:48:04] Inside of that though, I want
[3:48:09] to remember bob and his family
[3:48:10] .
[3:48:11] Especially at this time.
[3:48:13] The first christmas without
[3:48:17] first close loved one
[3:48:18] , as well
[3:48:19] as supervisor bailey
[3:48:19] having just
[3:48:21] lost her mom.
[3:48:35] My prayers are with you
[3:48:38] .
[3:48:39] I know what that can be like
[3:48:39] having lost both of my parents.
[3:48:40] Another part of this year with
[3:48:41] me reconnecting with my birth
[3:48:42] family, as
[3:48:43] many of you know.
[3:48:43] I'm adopted.
[3:48:44] And so that was a special thing
[3:48:44] for me.
[3:48:45] But I wish everybody all the
[3:48:52] success for the remaining days
[3:48:53] we have for this year and make
[3:48:53] it a good one and I will see
[3:48:54] you on the next one.
[3:48:54] >>
[3:48:55] Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:48:56] supervisor bailey.
[3:48:57] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[3:49:03] thank you MADAM Chair.
[3:49:04] On 10 DECEMBER I would like to
[3:49:12] thank my staff and supervisor
[3:49:12] franklin and county staff in
[3:49:13] all the constituents who
[3:49:14] attended the community meeting
[3:49:16] to discuss the safety solutions
[3:49:19] for potomac shores community.
[3:49:23] It was an awesome turn out.
[3:49:24] That's what we do.
[3:49:28] Work together to resolve issues
[3:49:28] .
[3:49:29] On the 11th, thank you to my
[3:49:32] staff who has been covering me
[3:49:33] in the moments of losing my
[3:49:40] mom.
[3:49:40] I appreciate my staff covering
[3:49:41] me and helping me pick but they
[3:49:42] attended the 54 graduation
[3:49:47] promotions ceremony here
[3:49:48] congratulations to the seven
[3:49:49] graduates who were promoted and
[3:49:53] welcome to the team pick
[3:49:54] supervisor stewart, I heard
[3:49:54] integrate all that
[3:49:58] they bash.
[3:49:59] Your first he got an a+ and
[3:49:59] thank you for the invitation
[3:50:00] and embracing our staff to come
[3:50:02] and participate in your open
[3:50:08] house pick on the 13th quantico
[3:50:08] national cemetery did the
[3:50:09] laying of the wreaths across
[3:50:10] america.
[3:50:14] Thank you to my appointing for
[3:50:15] attending the wreaths across
[3:50:20] america for me in my absence.
[3:50:21] As I graduated from the swanson
[3:50:25] institute on DECEMBER 13.
[3:50:32] It was an amazing nine months.
[3:50:32] Thank you to staff, delivery,
[3:50:33] roberts, sam and rebecca for an
[3:50:36] exceptional guidance and
[3:50:39] support in the program
[3:50:40] .
[3:50:41] That would helped me understand
[3:50:45] the state of virginia a lot
[3:50:46] more and helped me lead to
[3:50:47] better in prince william
[3:50:47] county.
[3:50:49] I'm a graduate.
[3:50:50] That was an amazing experience
[3:50:52] .
[3:50:56] On the 14th thanks to my
[3:50:57] PRESIDENT Allison and the links
[3:50:58] incorporated for partnering
[3:51:02] with me in my office for toys
[3:51:05] for tots this year.
[3:51:05] Special thanks to that
[3:51:11] organization in providing gifts
[3:51:14] , all kinds of gifts to our
[3:51:14] children less fortunate in the
[3:51:15] community.
[3:51:16] I'm excited about that being a
[3:51:16] marine corps wife.
[3:51:23] it's going to be a great time.
[3:51:25] And we will be supporting the
[3:51:25] shelter and the homeless
[3:51:26] ministries on the local
[3:51:27] communities and churches here
[3:51:28] in prince william county.
[3:51:28] Yesterday I did participate
[3:51:32] with my colleague victor angry
[3:51:36] and kenny boddye in the form
[3:51:41] and it was exceptional pick we
[3:51:41] are doing great things in
[3:51:42] transportation across the
[3:51:43] region.
[3:51:45] We will continue to
[3:51:46] make priorities in legislative
[3:51:49] agendas our utmost to give
[3:51:50] service to our communities as a
[3:51:53] relates to strategic planning
[3:51:55] and funding.
[3:52:00] Last night was amazing is that
[3:52:02] we supported doctor Mcdade in
[3:52:04] the 23rd a strategic plan
[3:52:04] .
[3:52:06] Another opportunity to partner
[3:52:11] together in this county for the
[3:52:12] best of what we have and that
[3:52:12] is the next generation so
[3:52:13] congratulations on that.
[3:52:16] Today my staff attended the
[3:52:17] veterans care center
[3:52:19] .
[3:52:24] Here was outstanding
[3:52:25] .
[3:52:26] Thank you for supporting me in
[3:52:27] that way.
[3:52:31] 128 bed skilled nursing for
[3:52:32] virginia veterans and we need
[3:52:33] that so much.
[3:52:36] Upcoming events on the 17th.
[3:52:37] Would like to thank my staff
[3:52:41] for attending the sit fencing
[3:52:42] at swans creek elementary
[3:52:45] school
[3:52:47] .
[3:52:47] It is an evening holiday with
[3:52:48] song so I know we are excited
[3:52:49] about that.
[3:52:51] And boys and girls
[3:52:53] club, the big kid event
[3:52:56] finality
[3:52:57] .
[3:52:58] On the 18th I will not be
[3:53:01] attending and that is the
[3:53:04] memorial service for my mom.
[3:53:04] But thank you to my staff for
[3:53:11] attending the copy holidays
[3:53:12] .
[3:53:13] I would like to wish all of my
[3:53:14] colleagues.
[3:53:14] I will
[3:53:15] get the cards after
[3:53:15] christmas.
[3:53:16] And I hope you have a joyful
[3:53:18] and peaceful and happy holiday
[3:53:22] season and thank you to all of
[3:53:25] you for your warm respect and
[3:53:26] prayers and blessings for the
[3:53:29] loss of my mother.
[3:53:30] Thank you MADAM Chair.
[3:53:31] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:53:38] thank you.
[3:53:39] This has been a really tough
[3:53:40] year for the board collectively
[3:53:41] and individually as people have
[3:53:42] been dealing with a lot of a
[3:53:44] loss this year.
[3:53:53] The holes people we care about
[3:53:54] leave in our hearts will always
[3:53:54] be there.
[3:53:55] Some days it will hurt more,
[3:53:56] some days it will hurt less.
[3:54:01] I was excited last night going
[3:54:02] to elevate 2030, the school
[3:54:04] strategic plan.
[3:54:04] I have to say I was really
[3:54:06] blown away.
[3:54:09] Was really in all of what our
[3:54:14] schools put together.
[3:54:14] It shows having the right
[3:54:15] leadership, having the right
[3:54:20] people who care and who are
[3:54:22] passionate about the work that
[3:54:23] they do, there are no bounds.
[3:54:32] When I was thinking about this,
[3:54:33] it's funny how this came
[3:54:34] together.
[3:54:36] I'm going to do a directive for
[3:54:36] children's.
[3:54:37] I sent information around my
[3:54:38] colleagues about what this
[3:54:39] could look like at a local
[3:54:39] level.
[3:54:53] As for my directive, without
[3:54:54] objection I would like to
[3:54:55] direct the county executive to
[3:54:56] work with staff to explore the
[3:54:57] creation of a children's
[3:54:58] cabinet to leverage the power
[3:54:59] of community stakeholders to
[3:54:59] address the needs of the youth
[3:55:00] in our community.
[3:55:01] The approach will bring
[3:55:02] together local government
[3:55:03] schools, health, human services
[3:55:04] and other community-based
[3:55:04] organizations to address
[3:55:05] challenges related to the
[3:55:08] issues of attendance, mental
[3:55:10] health, housing instability,
[3:55:11] workforce readiness, and early
[3:55:12] childhood development.
[3:55:16] This approach should consider
[3:55:17] how the children to come that
[3:55:17] would be structured to align
[3:55:21] policies, resources, and data
[3:55:22] around shared outcome for
[3:55:24] families.
[3:55:25] Especially from birth through
[3:55:29] young adulthood.
[3:55:30] While maintaining the legal and
[3:55:31] physical responsibilities of
[3:55:33] the county government and
[3:55:38] public school system, this
[3:55:38] model should allow for
[3:55:39] quarterly the community system
[3:55:40] that aligns efforts across
[3:55:43] education
[3:55:44] , health, housing and
[3:55:45] social services for the
[3:55:45] recommendation should include
[3:55:47] the potential governance
[3:55:47] structure of the cabinet model
[3:55:48] with a list of potential
[3:55:53] members and impacted steak
[3:55:54] oldest, budget implications and
[3:55:57] in the other items the board
[3:55:58] should be aware of in the
[3:56:08] creation in such a group.
[3:56:08] The county attorney office is
[3:56:09] directed to review the
[3:56:10] information and recommendations
[3:56:11] for legal issues but when the
[3:56:12] work is complete the county
[3:56:12] executive should report back to
[3:56:14] the board of the recommendation
[3:56:15] during the board meeting or by
[3:56:15] memorandum as they deem
[3:56:18] appropriate.
[3:56:19] Supervisor vega?
[3:56:19] Before thank you.
[3:56:20] I do object
[3:56:21] .
[3:56:26] You sent this late last night.
[3:56:27] But a quick review.
[3:56:30] I understand the intent but I
[3:56:31] will keep it short because I
[3:56:32] know we are pressed for time.
[3:56:33] I'm proud to say this
[3:56:36] initiative is not needed in
[3:56:37] here is why prince william
[3:56:39] county has a children service
[3:56:40] division which is a
[3:56:40] state-funded pool for
[3:56:44] eligibility for youth under 21
[3:56:45] with emotional, behavioral
[3:56:54] needs, fact
[3:56:55] , multiagency teams
[3:56:56] including schools, dss and it
[3:56:56] plans are individualized
[3:56:57] services like outpatient
[3:56:58] treatment that mirrors the
[3:57:05] proposal you have shared.
[3:57:06] When the officer youth services
[3:57:07] that promotes positive
[3:57:08] development via evidence-based
[3:57:08] programs, partners with
[3:57:09] nonprofits for afterschool
[3:57:10] resilience building.
[3:57:11] With the child advocacy center
[3:57:13] which houses in dss which
[3:57:14] brings law enforcement,
[3:57:15] prosecutors, mental health and
[3:57:15] professionals, the
[3:57:16] professionals together for
[3:57:17] abused cases preclude the
[3:57:18] strategic plan interagency tool
[3:57:18] which shares data dedicated
[3:57:21] liaisons, joint training and
[3:57:22] school meetings which ensures
[3:57:29] alignment with the spark
[3:57:30] funding to the tune of 350,000
[3:57:30] which supports cls and other
[3:57:31] partnerships.
[3:57:31] E have metrics
[3:57:34] and accountabilities in prince
[3:57:35] william county schools that are
[3:57:36] tracked of the pass rates,
[3:57:38] graduation data and family
[3:57:38] engagement surveys but prince
[3:57:40] william county uses enterprise
[3:57:41] wide processes for service
[3:57:41] delivery.
[3:57:44] In summary into my colleagues I
[3:57:45] will offer this the prince
[3:57:49] william county framework in
[3:57:49] interagency mechanisms via dss,
[3:57:50] prince william county schools,
[3:57:51] community services already
[3:57:53] delivers coordinated data
[3:57:58] driven support built in
[3:57:58] accountability.
[3:57:59] I don't believe we should be
[3:58:00] adding another group,
[3:58:04] especially when we really
[3:58:05] haven't spoken to the school
[3:58:06] division in regards to how this
[3:58:10] is going to make, how it's
[3:58:11] going to mean how it's going to
[3:58:11] back policy.
[3:58:13] I did a quick rundown.
[3:58:13] I have a lot more because
[3:58:14] there's a lot more detailed
[3:58:18] breakdown, specifically to the
[3:58:19] population if you will,
[3:58:22] specific age.
[3:58:22] Again, I am proud to say
[3:58:23] everything detailed in a
[3:58:24] directive is quite literally
[3:58:31] already covered through all the
[3:58:31] these other groups which we
[3:58:32] should all be very proud of,
[3:58:36] therefore we do not need this
[3:58:37] initiative to be implemented
[3:58:37] to.
[3:58:38] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:58:40] I agree we have a lot of work
[3:58:41] we are doing in the county and
[3:58:41] there is better coordination
[3:58:44] can always be there.
[3:58:44] This is something I have
[3:58:45] approached the schools about.
[3:58:48] And it just to discuss it fully
[3:58:49] but it's a directive to come
[3:58:53] back with recommendations.
[3:58:54] That there's nothing to be done
[3:58:55] and there is nothing to be
[3:58:55] done.
[3:58:59] I have seen this in
[3:58:59] other jurisdictions.
[3:59:00] Up above to explore this idea.
[3:59:02] But since there is an objection
[3:59:04] we are going to have to make
[3:59:06] this a resolution info on this.
[3:59:07] Going to go ahead.
[3:59:15] We can -- did you have
[3:59:15] something you want to say?
[3:59:16] >> Kenny Boddye: I was going to
[3:59:16] second it.
[3:59:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[3:59:19] it has been seconded by
[3:59:19] supervisor boddye.
[3:59:20] Is there any further
[3:59:20] discussion?
[3:59:29] Supervisor boddye.
[3:59:30] >> Kenny Boddye: supervisor
[3:59:31] vega, I appreciate you bringing
[3:59:31] that forward.
[3:59:33] I know that there is a lot of
[3:59:33] cross agency work and you can
[3:59:34] give great examples of what is
[3:59:36] being done.
[3:59:44] Print the analysis given is our
[3:59:44] we duplicating efforts.
[3:59:45] Is there room for something
[3:59:47] else to enhance and d silo
[3:59:51] further what is being done a
[3:59:52] guy will be supporting it
[3:59:52] because I think it would be
[4:00:05] good fact-finding on the county
[4:00:06] and all the colleagues in the
[4:00:09] agency to look through that.
[4:00:09] If it comes up it is redundant
[4:00:10] and we don't need to do
[4:00:11] anything else other than
[4:00:12] enhancement to existing that's
[4:00:12] fine.
[4:00:14] If it comes forth and says this
[4:00:15] is a new way to raise this to a
[4:00:15] higher level, I am all for that
[4:00:16] but the last thing I will say
[4:00:17] is I like the idea of uplifting
[4:00:18] children and families around
[4:00:20] this pick would love to talk to
[4:00:21] you further about having a
[4:00:24] group like this to inform
[4:00:31] futures report for the county.
[4:00:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:00:33] supervisor vega.
[4:00:34] >> Yesli Vega: I hear
[4:00:35] everything you've said and what
[4:00:35] supervisor boddye added.
[4:00:36] We often talk about the
[4:00:40] pressures we talk about rick if
[4:00:41] we took time to refresh our
[4:00:43] memories and what we provide in
[4:00:44] the county we would learn it
[4:00:49] would be redundant but now we
[4:00:50] are going to pile on additional
[4:00:51] work on staff already burdened
[4:00:54] with initiatives simply because
[4:00:59] we want to.
[4:01:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:01:01] supervisor bailey.
[4:01:05] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I
[4:01:05] appreciate what supervisor vega
[4:01:14] is saying.
[4:01:15] Didn't have an opportunity to
[4:01:16] digest because we did get it
[4:01:17] late last night.
[4:01:18] We did have an opportunity to
[4:01:20] really digest what you were
[4:01:25] putting forth.
[4:01:29] And thought I what we saw with
[4:01:30] the school board is addressing
[4:01:31] what you presented.
[4:01:36] This is an
[4:01:37] opportunity for us to partner
[4:01:39] with the school board more and
[4:01:42] partner with agencies more to
[4:01:45] see where the needs are.
[4:01:50] And I, like supervisor vega
[4:01:51] , we
[4:01:51] have seen a lovely great
[4:01:52] transformative things being
[4:01:54] presented to us here lately.
[4:01:59] I don't want staff to be
[4:02:04] overworked.
[4:02:04] Mission is to GETb
[4:02:05] understand
[4:02:10] where we are.
[4:02:11] so though I appreciate what you
[4:02:15] presented, we are in the
[4:02:16] pathway of doing that.
[4:02:20] Would like to see that come to
[4:02:21] fruition the impossible and
[4:02:25] then if it is not what we want
[4:02:25] come back with another
[4:02:27] directive.
[4:02:35] My concern is overworking staff
[4:02:36] as they are trying to get a
[4:02:36] rhythm partnering together to
[4:02:37] make sure that programs we have
[4:02:41] are relevant, makes sense, the
[4:02:42] resources are there in the
[4:02:42] funding is
[4:02:42] there.
[4:02:46] We are in it era right now were
[4:02:54] nationally things are so
[4:02:55] unstable that to put additional
[4:02:56] things on them, I don't see it
[4:02:59] right now
[4:02:59] .
[4:03:00] Though I would love to support
[4:03:06] this, the timing is off for me.
[4:03:08] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:03:08] appreciate that.
[4:03:09] I want to check on the stock
[4:03:09] thing.
[4:03:10] I apologize they got back so
[4:03:12] late.
[4:03:12] We have anti-bows and
[4:03:13] directives the same day or last
[4:03:15] minute.
[4:03:19] We talking about staff.
[4:03:20] I'm pretty sure I've been a
[4:03:23] strong advocate for review
[4:03:24] staff members would say I
[4:03:26] haven't making sure the other
[4:03:30] resources they need to do the
[4:03:31] work in front of them to make
[4:03:32] sure departments are adequately
[4:03:32] staffed.
[4:03:35] If people don't like
[4:03:36] this for reasons such as
[4:03:37] political reasons, I know that
[4:03:41] nobody is going to name them.
[4:03:42] Let's be honest.
[4:03:44] We can use more coordination.
[4:03:45] This is a directive.
[4:03:49] I don't think it hurts for us
[4:03:50] to look at things more
[4:03:51] holistically.
[4:03:54] Annecy were saying, I wasn't
[4:03:56] sure in your point
[4:03:57] .
[4:04:00] If you can clarify.
[4:04:02] If you can clarify
[4:04:03] .
[4:04:04] If you could take a moment to
[4:04:11] clarify.
[4:04:11] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[4:04:12] first of all, not political
[4:04:16] all.
[4:04:18] I'm on the dais to understand.
[4:04:27] What I mean by that is I don't
[4:04:28] think it is fair for us to have
[4:04:30] staff overworked and what is it
[4:04:39] you are not clear?
[4:04:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:04:41] you are saying there are other
[4:04:41] ways to get after what it is we
[4:04:42] want.
[4:04:46] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[4:04:46] what I meant by that getting
[4:04:47] what we want, let them bring
[4:04:49] back what they are working on
[4:04:49] now with the data they have now
[4:04:53] to assess what is needed.
[4:04:54] And once they do that if it is
[4:04:57] not satisfactory
[4:04:57] , and
[4:05:01] additional directive is needed.
[4:05:05] I don't think it is needed
[4:05:06] right now because of all the
[4:05:08] transformative things they are
[4:05:09] trying to grade to bring data
[4:05:14] back to us to make sure the
[4:05:15] programs in different agencies
[4:05:19] are relevant from being so old
[4:05:19] the.
[4:05:20] That's where I'm going with
[4:05:20] that.
[4:05:21] It's not political.
[4:05:25] I am
[4:05:25] trying to make sense out of
[4:05:33] what they are bringing to us
[4:05:33] now.
[4:05:34] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:05:35] usa in getting the data back.
[4:05:36] Are you making a directive?
[4:05:37] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[4:05:38] I'm not making a directive.
[4:05:38] I'm saying we need to continue
[4:05:39] with what they are bringing to
[4:05:40] us now with the programs
[4:05:42] supervisor vega resented.
[4:05:47] And there are a plethora
[4:05:48] .
[4:05:49] Some we need to weed out, some
[4:05:50] we need to keep.
[4:05:51] But I think there
[4:05:52] , they are in
[4:05:55] a rhythm bringing things back
[4:05:56] to us as well as our school
[4:05:57] board.
[4:06:07] This is not personal against
[4:06:07] you.
[4:06:08] I'm just saying information
[4:06:09] coming to us is relevant and it
[4:06:10] is information we haven't had
[4:06:10] before.
[4:06:10] Ot trying to make
[4:06:11] it
[4:06:12] personal.
[4:06:12] I am just saying that's my
[4:06:17] opinion.
[4:06:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:06:18] I'm still confused.
[4:06:21] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[4:06:22] bottom line what I'm saying
[4:06:23] it's not political, but I think
[4:06:25] based upon what we saw last
[4:06:26] night and a lot of it can be
[4:06:30] resolved and what you're trying
[4:06:31] to initiate if we work with the
[4:06:40] school board.
[4:06:41] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:06:42] what I'm looking at is more
[4:06:42] holistic and it's looking at
[4:06:43] that coordination piece.
[4:06:44] It's not needed.
[4:06:54] If we have the data would not
[4:06:54] have made this request.
[4:06:55] The reason I'm making this
[4:06:56] request is I would like staff
[4:06:56] to look into this.
[4:06:57] If it is nothing, it is
[4:06:57] nothing.
[4:06:58] I don't know if this is
[4:06:59] overburdening staff.
[4:07:03] i'm not asking for them to
[4:07:03] create a new program
[4:07:04] necessarily.
[4:07:05] I'm asking for information.
[4:07:06] I know we can go back and forth
[4:07:07] .
[4:07:08] If you would like to sit down
[4:07:09] and discuss this, I'm
[4:07:15] interested in.
[4:07:18] >> I'm offering my 1/8 opinion.
[4:07:18] I would like to discuss it
[4:07:19] further.
[4:07:24] In consideration of
[4:07:26] what you are trying to propose,
[4:07:27] there is something already that
[4:07:28] you might want to consider
[4:07:30] .
[4:07:34] It MAY be an opportunity.
[4:07:35] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:07:41] you cut me off.
[4:07:42] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I
[4:07:43] don't mean to cut you off.
[4:07:45] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:07:46] we are going to take a vote in.
[4:07:47] I don't feel we have this in
[4:07:48] place and that is why I offered
[4:07:51] a directive.
[4:07:52] Let's go ahead and take a vote.
[4:07:52] >> supervisor angry?
[4:08:06] >> Victor Angry: no.
[4:08:09] >> motion fails 3/3
[4:08:10] .
[4:08:20] Hold on.
[4:08:20] Three votes for no.
[4:08:20] Upervisor
[4:08:21] angry, bailey and vega.
[4:08:23] Supervisor gordy abstaining
[4:08:23] .
[4:08:25] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:10:48] I ask everyone to go see.
[4:10:49] We are going to certify our
[4:10:51] closed session so if somebody
[4:10:53] can have a motion.
[4:10:54] It has been properly moved and
[4:10:55] seconded.
[4:11:11] Let's take a vote.
[4:11:11] Goes off the second
[4:11:13] I get back
[4:11:23] >> thank you, sir.
[4:11:27] Vote unanimous.
[4:11:28] supervisor frequent absent from
[4:11:28] vote
[4:11:30] .
[4:11:31] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:11:31] all right
[4:11:32] .
[4:11:33] We have one thing to report
[4:11:35] out.
[4:11:35] Supervisor stewart?
[4:11:56] >> I move we appoint susan
[4:11:57] washington as human resources
[4:12:04] director.
[4:12:05] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:12:09] let's go ahead and take a vote.
[4:12:18] >> supervisor angry?
[4:12:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:12:21] all right.
[4:12:22] I don't know if you would like
[4:12:27] to say something?
[4:12:27] >> MR. Shorter: want to express
[4:12:28] my appreciation for your
[4:12:31] support and express my
[4:12:36] enthusiasm, great enthusiasm to
[4:12:37] welcome susan washington who
[4:12:38] has served this community
[4:12:44] extremely well.
[4:12:45] She is over 25 years experience
[4:12:46] in hr and I am very pleased we
[4:12:52] now get to call susan, not
[4:12:53] acting director but director of
[4:12:53] human resources.
[4:12:54] I don't know if you wanted to
[4:12:55] say a few words.
[4:13:00] [Inaudible]
[4:13:03] Good evening chair
[4:13:04] .
[4:13:04] And cxo shorter.
[4:13:09] I appreciate
[4:13:10] this opportunity to continue to
[4:13:13] serve my community, to support
[4:13:13] the county and my colleagues
[4:13:16] across the county and help lead
[4:13:17] the office of hr for prince
[4:13:19] william county.
[4:13:20] I am very excited about this
[4:13:24] opportunity.
[4:13:25] I'm thankful my children are
[4:13:25] here.
[4:13:32] They are there to see this and
[4:13:33] I appreciate your confidence in
[4:13:33] me as we move forward.
[4:13:34] Thank you so much.
[4:13:34] [Applause]
[4:13:35] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:13:36] thank you so very much.
[4:13:37] Everyone is really excited for
[4:13:39] this new chapter in your
[4:13:42] career.
[4:13:45] I know we are right at 6:59 pm
[4:13:46] but because we had to rush back
[4:13:47] from closed session I'm going
[4:13:50] to give the board a five minute
[4:14:34] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:14:35] for us five minutes went by
[4:14:35] fast.
[4:14:36] I hope it did for us well.
[4:14:37] We are moving to agenda item 13
[4:14:43] a and that is the rezoning for
[4:14:44] maple valley grove.
[4:14:44] I would like to ask the
[4:14:45] applicant to come forward to
[4:14:46] the present.
[4:14:47] Are we missing part of the
[4:14:50] applicant?
[4:14:50] All right.
[4:14:51] Talk amongst yourselves.
[4:15:22] We
[4:15:23] gained a lawyer but we lost the
[4:15:23] supervisor.
[4:15:25] That's okay.
[4:15:35] We still have a quorum.
[4:15:36] >> good evening keri jeffers
[4:15:37] and the members of the board.
[4:15:42] My name is jonelle cameron with
[4:15:42] walsh colucci leah bley and
[4:15:43] walsh are on behalf of the
[4:15:44] applicant, galveston crossing.
[4:15:50] With me are representatives
[4:15:51] from the applicant, the civil
[4:15:51] engineering team, traffic
[4:15:52] consultant and environment a
[4:15:58] consultant.
[4:15:59] Property is comprised of three
[4:15:59] parcels and is approximately
[4:16:01] 23.43 acres in size.
[4:16:05] Reference prince william pkwy.,
[4:16:06] here is hoadley road and here
[4:16:12] is galveston court.
[4:16:13] The property is zoned a-1
[4:16:14] agriculture and a small portion
[4:16:17] is zoned into light industrial.
[4:16:18] The properties comprehensively
[4:16:19] planned mixed-use three.
[4:16:23] The mixed-use three recommends
[4:16:24] 4 to 12 dwelling units per
[4:16:28] acre.
[4:16:29] This slide is an exhibit does
[4:16:30] show how it fits in with
[4:16:30] the
[4:16:31] surrounding area.
[4:16:36] Here is the shopping center,
[4:16:37] here is the apollo development
[4:16:42] that includes townhomes,
[4:16:42] commercial and here is
[4:16:44] additional commercial with
[4:16:44] residential here and del or nor
[4:16:49] here.
[4:16:49] This slide is the layout that
[4:16:50] shows the proposal.
[4:16:52] The applicant is proposing 274
[4:16:53] residential units which will
[4:16:59] allow 242 multifamily stacked
[4:17:00] units in the 32 traditional
[4:17:02] multifamily units.
[4:17:11] That up to 32 is because
[4:17:12] multifamily building here is
[4:17:13] proposed to be a lie tech
[4:17:13] building.
[4:17:14] That will be available to
[4:17:15] people making up to 60 percent
[4:17:15] ami.
[4:17:16] If the building is not
[4:17:24] approved, the applicant is
[4:17:25] proffered this building would
[4:17:25] be available to people earning
[4:17:26] up to 80 percent ami.
[4:17:29] The proposal is between 11.35
[4:17:31] dwelling units per acre and if
[4:17:35] there are 32 traditional
[4:17:36] multi-units 11.69 dwelling
[4:17:37] units per acre.
[4:17:39] The proposed into the minds
[4:17:40] with the comprehensive plan.
[4:17:45] This slide shows the open space
[4:17:45] plan.
[4:17:52] The humor in the comprehensive
[4:17:53] plan also recommends 30 percent
[4:17:54] open space for the applicant is
[4:18:00] proposing 55 percent as open
[4:18:01] space to.
[4:18:01] the applicant is proposing a 50
[4:18:02] foot buffer alone prince
[4:18:02] william pkwy.
[4:18:05] In the area here there is a 20
[4:18:08] foot great difference between
[4:18:09] prince william pkwy. And the
[4:18:21] property which requires
[4:18:21] grading
[4:18:22] within the buffer area.
[4:18:23] The applicant is requesting
[4:18:23] modified 30 foot buffer
[4:18:24] adjacent to the shopping center
[4:18:26] to the south.
[4:18:27] This area here and here.
[4:18:28] The applicant is integrated
[4:18:30] instead of separated from it.
[4:18:35] Providing a 50 foot buffer
[4:18:36] adjacent to the shopping center
[4:18:36] disrupts the walk ability
[4:18:39] between the uses.
[4:18:40] Although the buffer is 30 feet
[4:18:43] the applicant signed a majority
[4:18:44] of amenities to be along the
[4:18:47] property boundary line.
[4:18:50] Sorry.
[4:18:58] So this here is the buffer
[4:18:58] area.
[4:19:03] It's a variable with.
[4:19:03] There's a pinch point in this
[4:19:04] area here which is 37 feet, but
[4:19:06] with the amenities it ranges up
[4:19:09] to 198 feet.
[4:19:43] Applicant is proposing
[4:19:44] amenities on site that are
[4:19:45] walkable no matter where you
[4:19:46] are in the community.
[4:19:46] A little less than 1 1/3 acres
[4:19:47] is proposed as the amenity
[4:19:48] areas which include a community
[4:19:49] garden, community park, pocket
[4:19:50] park, fitness area and
[4:19:50] promenade.
[4:19:51] The multifamily building will
[4:19:52] have a community located inside
[4:19:52] of it.
[4:19:53] The applicant is proffering the
[4:19:54] monetary contribution of her
[4:19:55] parks and recreation for
[4:19:56] occoquan and neabsco greenways.
[4:19:57] This slide shows the community
[4:19:58] garden that provides outdoor
[4:19:59] space for residents to plan
[4:20:00] their own preferences and needs
[4:20:01] in addition to plots shared
[4:20:02] work in the form of potting
[4:20:02] benches unseating would be
[4:20:03] present as well.
[4:20:03] This slide shows the community
[4:20:04] park.
[4:20:04] His is the primary
[4:20:04] amenity
[4:20:05] area in this portion of
[4:20:06] the neighborhood and it
[4:20:07] includes a playground for ages
[4:20:08] two through 12, gathering
[4:20:09] space
[4:20:10] , long gardens and a
[4:20:13] fitness area.
[4:20:14] This slide shows a pocket park
[4:20:21] and fitness areas
[4:20:22] .
[4:20:23] There are seating inventions in
[4:20:24] this area here and in the
[4:20:25] fitness area is in this area
[4:20:25] here.
[4:20:31] Finally we have the promenade
[4:20:33] .
[4:20:34] It's designed so when you come
[4:20:35] into the site and looks great
[4:20:36] ahead what you're looking at is
[4:20:37] the promenade area.
[4:20:38] That area and assess an outdoor
[4:20:43] seating here alone area and the
[4:20:44] possibility to have a library
[4:20:48] station and or swing.
[4:20:49] As part of the proposal the
[4:20:53] applicant was required to do
[4:20:54] and traffic impact analysis.
[4:21:00] The traffic impact analysis
[4:21:00] requires you to look at the
[4:21:01] three intersections on the
[4:21:02] screen.
[4:21:02] It requires us to look
[4:21:03] at levels
[4:21:04] of service today.
[4:21:05] The levels of service in the
[4:21:06] future without the development.
[4:21:07] The future requires you to take
[4:21:08] a two percent per year annual
[4:21:13] growth rate as well as include
[4:21:14] any other projects that have
[4:21:15] been approved and not yet
[4:21:19] developed.
[4:21:20] So for this specific site had
[4:21:20] to look at the special use
[4:21:23] permit that was approved of the
[4:21:27] background trips and the need
[4:21:28] to look at what is the level of
[4:21:31] the service in the future
[4:21:32] looking at the two percent
[4:21:33] annual growth rate, the
[4:21:34] doorbell nor approval and
[4:21:34] project.
[4:21:40] Because hoadley square was go
[4:21:41] into the rezoning process at
[4:21:41] the same time.
[4:21:43] The county also asked the
[4:22:03] applicant also include hoadley
[4:22:04] square in their review all the
[4:22:06] intersections operated on an
[4:22:06] exceptional level of service
[4:22:07] except for the intersection of
[4:22:08] prince william pkwy. And
[4:22:10] hoadley road feeling in the
[4:22:11] future without the project and
[4:22:12] with maple valley grove in the
[4:22:13] proposed hoadley square, there
[4:22:14] was an increase of delay by 5.5
[4:22:14] seconds.
[4:22:16] In calculating the proposed
[4:22:16] trips for the development the
[4:22:17] applicant did not take a
[4:22:18] reduction for nearby transit or
[4:22:19] walk ability, which is
[4:22:19] something they are normally
[4:22:26] allowed to do.
[4:22:27] As you are aware, vdot started
[4:22:27] the star study at the
[4:22:28] intersection of hoadley road,
[4:22:29] davis ford rd. In prince
[4:22:30] william parkway.
[4:22:33] That looks like at the entire
[4:22:34] corridor were down to 234.
[4:22:35] The study provided options for
[4:22:36] intersection improvements
[4:22:36] ,
[4:22:50] including at the intersection
[4:22:51] of prince william pkwy. And
[4:22:51] davis ford road.
[4:22:52] The applicant provided the
[4:22:53] monetary contribution of a
[4:22:54] little over $71,000 for an
[4:22:55] interim improvement
[4:22:56] intersection of prince william
[4:22:56] pkwy.
[4:22:57] , hoadley road and davis ford
[4:22:57] road.
[4:23:02] Or along the court order.
[4:23:03] This slide shows the interior
[4:23:03] street network.
[4:23:04] The street network is designed
[4:23:06] with a structured hierarchy
[4:23:20] prioritizing connectivity
[4:23:20] ,
[4:23:21] functionality, accessibility,
[4:23:22] efficiency, and safety for a
[4:23:23] vehicular, bicycle and
[4:23:23] pedestrian traffic.
[4:23:24] As part of the project the
[4:23:25] applicant will be relocating
[4:23:26] the existing cul-de-sac at the
[4:23:27] end of galveston court in this
[4:23:28] area here in relocating that
[4:23:29] into the development.
[4:23:34] The applicant was also asked if
[4:23:35] they can work with the adjacent
[4:23:35] shopping center to obtain an
[4:23:36] easement for pedestrian
[4:23:40] connectivity in this area here
[4:23:41] to have a direct connection
[4:23:42] other than the on galveston
[4:23:47] court to the shopping center.
[4:23:48] In the event hoadley is not
[4:23:51] approved, the applicant is
[4:23:52] relocating galveston court
[4:23:54] further into the development
[4:24:04] which is in this area here.
[4:24:04] This slide is a
[4:24:05] interconnectivity exhibit that
[4:24:06] demonstrates how vehicular and
[4:24:07] pedestrian access would work in
[4:24:08] the event hoadley road is
[4:24:08] approved.
[4:24:09] The red dashed line of the
[4:24:12] vehicular
[4:24:12] , the blue lines of
[4:24:13] the sidewalks in the yellow
[4:24:14] lines are asphalt trails.
[4:24:17] As
[4:24:18] part of this proposal the
[4:24:21] applicant is over part by 55
[4:24:23] spaces.
[4:24:30] This slide shows the monument
[4:24:30] signage.
[4:24:35] This slide shows the stack
[4:24:36] multifamily elevations.
[4:24:37] The standards are updated and
[4:24:38] don't necessarily align with
[4:24:40] today's market
[4:24:40] .
[4:24:41] For this reason we are seeking
[4:24:43] the modifications as a relates
[4:24:44] to the multifamily stacked
[4:24:53] unit.
[4:24:54] The first is a modification to
[4:24:55] increase the building height to
[4:24:56] 55 feet to allow for rooftop
[4:24:56] terraces on the reduction of
[4:24:57] the front setback to 25 feet.
[4:25:00] The design guidelines different
[4:25:01] materials, colors and bump outs
[4:25:02] be provided to break up the
[4:25:06] building.
[4:25:06] This slide shows the
[4:25:08] multifamily buildings the
[4:25:10] applicant is seeking a waiver
[4:25:24] modification for the setback.
[4:25:25] In the next few slides I'm
[4:25:26] going to review revisions to
[4:25:27] the proffers made based on
[4:25:27] feedback at the planning
[4:25:28] commission public hearing.
[4:25:29] The first change was requiring
[4:25:30] 30 percent of the units to
[4:25:31] include bricks, stone, masonry,
[4:25:34] siding or cultured stone.
[4:25:39] The second revision was to add
[4:25:42] a low impact development best
[4:25:42] practice manager to the
[4:25:47] property and essentially this
[4:25:48] is a measure added to
[4:25:49] stormwater management to help
[4:25:56] with stormwater management.
[4:25:57] And finally they added them
[4:25:58] contribution is $31,046.28 to
[4:26:02] be used for an interim
[4:26:03] improvement along the corridor
[4:26:04] were.
[4:26:18] That concludes my presentation.
[4:26:19] Am available to answer any
[4:26:20] questions you all MAY have.
[4:26:21] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:26:21] all right.
[4:26:22] Does anyone have any questions
[4:26:24] for the applicant right now?
[4:26:25] All right.
[4:26:25] Supervisor boddye.
[4:26:26] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you for
[4:26:27] the presentation.
[4:26:27] Just a couple questions and I
[4:26:28] will likely ask staff some of
[4:26:33] the same issue areas their
[4:26:34] constituents who talked about
[4:26:35] three issues for
[4:26:44] transportation, environments,
[4:26:44] schools here can you talk a
[4:26:45] little bit about, he talked
[4:26:46] about the transportation piece
[4:26:47] quite a bit and you said in
[4:26:58] this case wasn't a bonus given
[4:26:59] for transit, walk ability.
[4:26:59] Can you talk more about that?
[4:27:00] >> when you are doing traffic
[4:27:01] impact analysis, each
[4:27:02] project-based on the number of
[4:27:03] units and type unit is assigned
[4:27:03] a prep.
[4:27:04] When you are doing this you
[4:27:15] have to get it reduction in
[4:27:17] your trip when you are near
[4:27:17] transit or walk ability.
[4:27:18] In this instance there a bus
[4:27:19] stop specifically on galveston
[4:27:20] court as well as alone hoadley
[4:27:21] road and and there is the walk
[4:27:22] ability between the shopping
[4:27:24] center and the residential.
[4:27:25] That allows for there to be a
[4:27:26] reduction in trips on the
[4:27:27] applicant did not do that
[4:27:28] reduction in trips when it was
[4:27:29] doing the traffic impact
[4:27:35] analysis.
[4:27:36] >> Kenny Boddye: you talked
[4:27:37] about the star study a little
[4:27:37] bit, but has there been
[4:27:42] conversation around what the
[4:27:42] interim improvement might be
[4:27:43] that the contribution go
[4:27:46] towards?
[4:27:53] >> I started the star study,
[4:27:54] they provided options.
[4:27:55] In addition when is being
[4:27:56] reviewed, prince william county
[4:27:57] transportation also looked at
[4:27:58] potential options
[4:27:59] .
[4:28:01] One of those was a triple left
[4:28:04] on prince william pkwy.
[4:28:04] .
[4:28:09] Sorry to make you all dizzy.
[4:28:10] Essentially the left turn lane,
[4:28:19] these two lane left movements
[4:28:20] that have that delay today in
[4:28:21] seconds and then with both
[4:28:21] projects it was adding an
[4:28:24] additional 5.5 seconds.
[4:28:24] One of the options potentially
[4:28:27] was to re-stripe a through lane
[4:28:27] to create another left turn
[4:28:33] movement on hoadley road but
[4:28:34] the county is looking at all
[4:28:36] options to determine what is
[4:28:50] the best interim option.
[4:28:51] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:28:52] to we will get there when you
[4:28:53] get the county staff.
[4:28:53] Thank you for that.
[4:28:54] Ot of
[4:28:54] folks or concerns about the
[4:28:55] occoquan reservoir
[4:28:55] and how this
[4:28:55] feeds into that.
[4:29:04] For starters, for the comp
[4:29:05] plan we adopted and staff
[4:29:06] recommendation, this was always
[4:29:07] proposed to be in him you 3,
[4:29:07] correct?
[4:29:08] T wasn't supposed to
[4:29:16] be -- nothing like that?
[4:29:16] Appreciate that.
[4:29:18] On the environmental piece, can
[4:29:18] you talk about the storm water
[4:29:19] management system and how that
[4:29:20] compares the existing
[4:29:21] conditions on the site?
[4:29:22] >> absolutely pick on going to
[4:29:23] have nat marshall who is our
[4:29:23] civil engineer come and speak
[4:29:30] on that.
[4:29:34] >> good evening
[4:29:35] .
[4:29:35] My name is matt marshall.
[4:29:36] I am the engineer for the
[4:29:45] applicant.
[4:29:46] The system is going to be two
[4:29:46] parts.
[4:29:47] It's going to be a level I what
[4:29:48] pond and complemented now with
[4:29:58] an lad.
[4:29:59] We are going to do
[4:30:00] at least one
[4:30:00] but we are going to pursue work
[4:30:01] fits where it provides the most
[4:30:01] benefit.
[4:30:03] They will be in treatment
[4:30:04] someone will drain to another
[4:30:04] to help improve the water
[4:30:05] quality.
[4:30:06] We are also doing what is
[4:30:06] called general protection and
[4:30:07] flood protection using the
[4:30:08] energy balance equation such we
[4:30:09] are mimicking the development
[4:30:09] flows
[4:30:10] to reduce downstream
[4:30:10] erosion.
[4:30:12] Be more friendly, if you will,
[4:30:12] in terms of the post
[4:30:23] development relative to the
[4:30:24] predevelopment division.
[4:30:25] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate
[4:30:25] that.
[4:30:25] Last question for now.
[4:30:26] Schools.
[4:30:27] Some folks are concerned about
[4:30:27] the schools impact.
[4:30:28] Talk about the schools impact
[4:30:29] on the options the school board
[4:30:30] how should this could approved.
[4:30:31] >> absolutely.
[4:30:31] The elementary and high school
[4:30:45] do not have capacity.
[4:30:46] Prince william county looked at
[4:30:46] the site as part of the
[4:30:47] application.
[4:30:48] Application gets distributed to
[4:30:49] prince william county schools.
[4:30:50] They call it and they provided
[4:30:50] impact report.
[4:30:51] there are other schools within
[4:30:52] the district for elementary
[4:30:54] schools that have capacity and
[4:30:59] I have a couple of slides.
[4:31:00] The slide here is what was
[4:31:09] actually in the impact report
[4:31:10] within the county staff report
[4:31:11] that you received.
[4:31:12] Marshall elementary, benton
[4:31:13] middle and charles cogan senior
[4:31:13] high school are the three
[4:31:14] schools currently assigned.
[4:31:15] Arshall and charles cogan are
[4:31:19] overcapacity today pick with
[4:31:20] this development they would
[4:31:25] continue to be overcapacity.
[4:31:26] What the county said it is the
[4:31:27] 14 high school will provide
[4:31:29] additional capacity to address
[4:31:30] overcrowding at the high
[4:31:36] school.
[4:31:37] It's the enrollment projections
[4:31:38] do not reflect any potential
[4:31:40] remedial measures the school
[4:31:41] board has which includes
[4:31:46] redistricting.
[4:31:47] What we did is looked at the
[4:31:48] elementary schools which is
[4:31:51] carried out, marshall and penn.
[4:31:51] Garrido has capacity in the
[4:31:54] future and then we also looked
[4:31:56] at the high schools prince
[4:31:57] william county schools tom
[4:31:58] mentioned which were hilton
[4:32:02] high school and garfield in
[4:32:03] both of those are under
[4:32:13] capacity as well
[4:32:13] .
[4:32:14] Is a likely at the time the
[4:32:15] school system is notified.
[4:32:15] E
[4:32:16] sold our first unit or our
[4:32:16] first unit is about to be
[4:32:16] occupied.
[4:32:24] They would then look at the
[4:32:24] schools and address
[4:32:25] overcrowding which could
[4:32:26] include redistricting the
[4:32:27] students in this development to
[4:32:28] a school that has capacity.
[4:32:31] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you.
[4:32:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:32:35] any other questions.
[4:32:36] Let's go ahead and have the
[4:32:59] county percent.
[4:33:00] >> in evening.
[4:33:00] Scott meyer of the planning
[4:33:01] office
[4:33:01] .
[4:33:05] Nice to see everybody.
[4:33:06] You have already been oriented
[4:33:08] toward the site is, is just a
[4:33:11] couple of things
[4:33:12] .
[4:33:15] The site is right here.
[4:33:16] It's along the prince william
[4:33:19] pkwy.
[4:33:20] This corner is entirely planned
[4:33:23] is immune 3. Mixed use
[4:33:24] neighborhood mixed-use.
[4:33:29] It is not in the -- , but still
[4:33:30] give natural features
[4:33:30] .
[4:33:36] Existing in even though there
[4:33:42] are districts and descriptions,
[4:33:43] we need to move mindful of all
[4:33:43] the things.
[4:33:44] The applicant is proposing to
[4:33:45] rezone the plan mixed
[4:33:47] residential of a total unit
[4:33:51] count not to exceed 274.
[4:33:52] It's going to be a mixture of
[4:33:53] stock multifamily were stacked
[4:33:54] towns
[4:33:55] , as we sometimes refer
[4:33:59] them to as.
[4:34:00] Untraditional is going to be in
[4:34:03] the eastern part of the site.
[4:34:06] Staff is recommending approval.
[4:34:06] Just a couple of things.
[4:34:12] This is the current land use
[4:34:13] and we are charged looking at
[4:34:13] what the currently
[4:34:13] induces among
[4:34:16] other things.
[4:34:17] It's along the prince william
[4:34:20] pkwy.
[4:34:21] One of the big issues is, and
[4:34:22] I'm going to get into this
[4:34:22] later.
[4:34:25] the loss of areas and also
[4:34:29] trying to preserve trees on
[4:34:30] site to the extent practicable.
[4:34:36] E have to balance that with
[4:34:37] affordable housing component
[4:34:38] which is also important.
[4:34:39] This is just the context of the
[4:34:46] analysis.
[4:34:47] This is the design guidelines.
[4:34:47] At issue in the site here in
[4:34:48] position to
[4:34:48] the intersection of
[4:34:52] the parkway.
[4:34:53] The next piece to be discussed
[4:34:56] after this is to the west next
[4:35:00] to dorrell nor.
[4:35:04] As janelle it mentioned
[4:35:04] , land
[4:35:22] bait a is the stock multifamily
[4:35:22] .
[4:35:23] Thus the height increase is for
[4:35:24] the stock multifamily.
[4:35:25] It is not for the traditional
[4:35:25] multifamily.
[4:35:27] Just to clarify that.
[4:35:28] This is the environmental
[4:35:29] constraints analysis and we
[4:35:30] have a staff from environmental
[4:35:31] services here as well.
[4:35:32] There are also a couple of
[4:35:32] extra slides if we want to get
[4:35:34] into that discussion.
[4:35:34] But the point of this is there
[4:35:35] are intact limits of clearing
[4:35:37] and grading which is a good
[4:35:37] thing.
[4:35:37] A lot of the site is being
[4:35:41] cleared.
[4:35:42] How do we balance that with the
[4:35:43] intent and the environmental
[4:35:45] component of the conference a
[4:35:45] plan.
[4:35:46] We feel that is one of the
[4:35:48] issues we feel could've been
[4:35:53] better looked up.
[4:36:03] Open space this is not the
[4:36:03] develop open space which is
[4:36:04] considerably more than what we
[4:36:05] have.
[4:36:06] Looked at the quality of the
[4:36:06] design.
[4:36:06] .
[4:36:07] One thing we do wishes the
[4:36:08] buffer along the parkway was
[4:36:08] increased
[4:36:09] .
[4:36:13] It does meet the intent and the
[4:36:15] 50 foot buffer, but we feel the
[4:36:17] height and with the massing
[4:36:17] , on
[4:36:22] the other side of the parkway
[4:36:23] of a much more intact buffer.
[4:36:24] We feel respectfully the buffer
[4:36:28] should be increased and also we
[4:36:39] feel that there is a thin
[4:36:40] amount of pine trees along the
[4:36:40] parkway.
[4:36:41] Also, the applicants are
[4:36:42] requesting to modify the buffer
[4:36:42] to the south.
[4:36:42] We
[4:36:43] really feel that should still
[4:36:44] be 50 feet because it is
[4:36:44] backing up.
[4:36:45] We want to have that
[4:36:45] separation, but we look at all
[4:36:51] these things she in
[4:36:52] combination.
[4:37:03] Not in isolation.
[4:37:03] This is again, the public
[4:37:04] street alternative.
[4:37:04] You
[4:37:05] are looking at the stock
[4:37:06] multifamily and personal in the
[4:37:06] traditional piece to the east
[4:37:08] here.
[4:37:09] Until the height increases only
[4:37:10] for the stacked multifamily.
[4:37:14] It is not for the traditional
[4:37:15] there is also a setback
[4:37:24] modification as well.
[4:37:25] These are the elevations with
[4:37:25] the stock multifamily to the
[4:37:26] left in the traditional
[4:37:38] multifamily to the right.
[4:37:39] Just a couple of
[4:37:40] things to point
[4:37:40] out.
[4:37:40] Overall we are supporting the
[4:37:41] application.
[4:37:42] we look at land use and design
[4:37:42] and all those things.
[4:37:43] However, we feel environment
[4:37:44] our concerns.
[4:37:46] We understand we are not going
[4:37:47] to solve this all through the
[4:37:48] districting issue, but we look
[4:37:49] at what schools have provided
[4:37:54] us.
[4:37:55] Just a couple of things to
[4:37:55] point out with the loss of
[4:37:57] vegetated areas.
[4:37:58] The need for increase on site
[4:37:59] preservation.
[4:38:04] We feel there could still be
[4:38:05] great or tree preservation on
[4:38:06] site and they could increase
[4:38:14] the buffer by not losing a lot
[4:38:15] of units by enhanced tree
[4:38:15] preservation, particularly
[4:38:16] along the parkway.
[4:38:17] We feel there are still
[4:38:18] opportunities for on-site tree
[4:38:23] preservation.
[4:38:23] The applicant based on the
[4:38:24] planning commission discussion
[4:38:25] did add a commitment for impact
[4:38:26] development, but we feel
[4:38:31] environmentally with a lot of
[4:38:32] areas that will be gone and we
[4:38:33] have to look at what the intent
[4:38:33] of the environment policies
[4:38:34] are.
[4:38:34] So
[4:38:34] the environment was a no.
[4:38:37] Schools we feel there are still
[4:38:41] unmitigated impacts based on
[4:38:42] the scope capacity for the
[4:38:46] elementary school.
[4:38:46] We also have some concerns
[4:38:55] about the analysis schools have
[4:38:56] brought up they don't agree
[4:38:57] with the methodology.
[4:38:58] The applicant has done their
[4:38:58] analysis.
[4:39:02] We look at proffers as being
[4:39:03] voluntary.
[4:39:03] S just interesting
[4:39:04] to point out this does not have
[4:39:05] a monetary contribution for
[4:39:06] schools.
[4:39:11] But hoadley square to the west
[4:39:11] does.
[4:39:12] Do something to absorb.
[4:39:16] And community design we feel
[4:39:16] again, with an undisturbed
[4:39:17] greater buffer along the
[4:39:22] parkway louisville with a
[4:39:23] greater buffer to the south
[4:39:24] that could fully mitigate the
[4:39:31] impacts.
[4:39:32] But we look at everything in
[4:39:32] combination.
[4:39:33] With the modifications we are
[4:39:36] supporting all of them.
[4:39:37] We feel the contiguous buffer
[4:39:43] for 40 feet that would be more
[4:39:44] 50 feet.
[4:39:44] We ask for that numerous times
[4:39:46] but we respect the applicants
[4:39:46] position on that.
[4:39:50] And we feel the setbacks are
[4:39:51] based on the safety
[4:39:51] requirements.
[4:39:52] I would be looked at later on
[4:39:54] in the site process.
[4:39:56] With todd in combination
[4:39:57] , the
[4:39:58] planning commission recommended
[4:39:58] denial.
[4:40:00] There was a lotto
[4:40:08] discussion because there is a
[4:40:09] time with a potential itech it
[4:40:10] component in the interest to
[4:40:10] move this forward to the board
[4:40:11] ,
[4:40:12] the planning commission
[4:40:23] recommended did not know.
[4:40:24] We have to note it was
[4:40:24] recommended.
[4:40:25] Staff is recommending approval.
[4:40:26] Staff is still recommending
[4:40:27] approval with revised proffers
[4:40:28] dated NOVEMBER 26.
[4:40:29] We feel this meets and directly
[4:40:29] implements that
[4:40:30] because that is
[4:40:30] what the current plan land uses
[4:40:40] .
[4:40:41] We feel is proffered we are
[4:40:42] going to have a cohesive
[4:40:42] quality development,
[4:40:43] multifamily housing options.
[4:40:44] Most notably the affordability
[4:40:45] component we have to look out
[4:40:46] good things and the things that
[4:40:47] could use improvement over all.
[4:40:50] We feel this directly provides
[4:40:50] greater housing and
[4:40:51] affordability component and
[4:41:01] also meets the intent of the
[4:41:01] strategic plan.
[4:41:02] With that I will be happy to
[4:41:03] answer questions.
[4:41:04] We have transportation staff
[4:41:04] and I wanted to mention meals
[4:41:06] at the health department as
[4:41:06] well.
[4:41:06] Nd planning commission
[4:41:07] there was a lotto discussion
[4:41:10] about septic and water quality.
[4:41:15] With that, thank you.
[4:41:16] I will answer any questions if
[4:41:16] I can then we have staff as
[4:41:19] well.
[4:41:21] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:41:21] supervisor boddye then vegas be
[4:41:22] too thank you for the
[4:41:23] presentation and all of your
[4:41:24] work on this
[4:41:25] .
[4:41:26] Can we go to transportation for
[4:41:28] a second?
[4:41:34] She split kevin, transportation
[4:41:35] planning manager.
[4:41:36] What specifically.
[4:41:38] >> Kenny Boddye: sure.
[4:41:44] Can you talk about the options
[4:41:45] being talked out with the
[4:41:45] interim staff for prince
[4:41:48] william pkwy.
[4:41:48] The ideas in the future?
[4:41:51] >> we are zeroing in from the
[4:41:57] left bound approach on the
[4:41:58] parkway, but by no means is not
[4:42:01] the only option.
[4:42:01] There are other options as far
[4:42:02] as a long term
[4:42:16] improvements.
[4:42:16] Not only can then be similar to
[4:42:17] the improvements if that is
[4:42:18] what is considered to be the
[4:42:19] most feasible from an
[4:42:20] efficiency standpoint, but
[4:42:20] there are options being looked
[4:42:21] at right now as part of the
[4:42:22] stars study we should get the
[4:42:23] results sometime in 2026 and
[4:42:24] begin to move forward with the
[4:42:24] project in the future
[4:42:31] hopefully.
[4:42:32] >> Kenny Boddye: 2026 is when
[4:42:32] we will have the results?
[4:42:34] >> meant 2026 the study will be
[4:42:37] closed out.
[4:42:38] >> Kenny Boddye: this is partly
[4:42:38] a you question and partly
[4:42:39] escott question
[4:42:40] .
[4:42:42] A box of the southern buffer
[4:42:46] along the shopping center.
[4:42:47] Can you guys helped me out in
[4:42:54] terms of the balance sheet
[4:42:55] between wanting and walking
[4:42:56] multimodal time development in
[4:42:57] this desire data buffers.
[4:42:57] You guys like walk ability and
[4:43:01] everything to be multimodal.
[4:43:01] If you're pushing these back
[4:43:02] that makes things less
[4:43:05] walkable.
[4:43:09] >> we look at a combination of
[4:43:13] things.
[4:43:13] The standard is to provide a 50
[4:43:15] foot buffer between commercial
[4:43:21] and residential.
[4:43:22] There is a connection point
[4:43:24] which is right here.
[4:43:31] But we feel because this is in
[4:43:32] the rear of the shopping center
[4:43:32] is loading set forth in.
[4:43:34] We feel that there is an
[4:43:35] opportunity to still increase
[4:43:37] the planning commission
[4:43:37] .
[4:43:38] I will say there was a
[4:43:42] discussion of over shifting the
[4:43:43] amenity area closer to the red
[4:43:45] dot is
[4:43:45] .
[4:43:45] that was not done.
[4:43:48] This is in the only way to do
[4:43:57] this, but with a lookup with
[4:43:58] the intent of buffering is.
[4:43:59] With environmental services, is
[4:43:59] there anything that you wanted
[4:44:00] to do?
[4:44:01] I want to make sure that I am
[4:44:06] reflecting my we were holding
[4:44:06] and winning the 50 foot
[4:44:11] deceptive.
[4:44:12] >> basically for minimum
[4:44:19] standards and so with this
[4:44:20] being it is backing the loading
[4:44:26] area we wanted more screening.
[4:44:27] It does allow for perpendicular
[4:44:27] crossings.
[4:44:27] Of your concern is walk
[4:44:31] ability, they can certainly add
[4:44:37] more crossings through the
[4:44:38] buffer.
[4:44:38] Ut being there going
[4:44:39] to be walking back to where the
[4:44:39] trucks are loading, that's a
[4:44:41] concern for us which is public
[4:44:47] safety.
[4:44:47] >> Kenny Boddye: scott, last
[4:44:48] one for me right now.
[4:44:53] The light tech piece.
[4:44:54] Can you talk about more about
[4:44:54] that and how that works in the
[4:44:59] thought process?
[4:45:00] You talked about there was a
[4:45:01] lotto discussion about that.
[4:45:02] >> yes.
[4:45:02] With the affordability
[4:45:03] component
[4:45:04] the applicant is proposing to
[4:45:06] options.
[4:45:07] We are looking at the light
[4:45:08] tech component for the
[4:45:11] traditional multifamily.
[4:45:11] Or if not, they are looking at
[4:45:14] where the traditional 80
[4:45:18] percent of ami.
[4:45:19] The planning commission, there
[4:45:28] was an interest to keep this
[4:45:29] moving in terms of the timing
[4:45:29] with the funding.
[4:45:30] I will let the applicant
[4:45:32] explain more, but I will say
[4:45:33] the planning commission, they
[4:45:38] recommended denial to
[4:45:39] procedurally still allow this
[4:45:40] to move forward because it was
[4:45:44] .
[4:45:45] >> tonya washington, planning
[4:45:46] director.
[4:45:47] The first motion of the
[4:45:52] planning commission was
[4:45:53] recommendation of approval, but
[4:45:54] it was a split vote so that
[4:45:54] motion failed.
[4:46:01] And made a
[4:46:02] comment of the planning
[4:46:02] commission nodded the planning
[4:46:04] commission did not take action
[4:46:05] on this obligation within 90
[4:46:06] days, the obligation would then
[4:46:08] move forward to the board with
[4:46:11] an assumption of approval.
[4:46:12] But I also make note that the
[4:46:21] applicant discussed this a
[4:46:21] light tech component they do
[4:46:22] have an upcoming
[4:46:22] deadline next
[4:46:22] year.
[4:46:23] Nd so I shared that for
[4:46:25] their consideration.
[4:46:25] And subsequently there was a
[4:46:26] second motion to recommend
[4:46:29] denial to make sure the
[4:46:29] application can continue to
[4:46:31] move forward to the board so
[4:46:33] the board can take action and
[4:46:38] if it were approved they could
[4:46:39] presumably meet the light tech
[4:46:44] application deadline.
[4:46:45] >> Kenny Boddye: scott was
[4:46:46] tagging in the applicant for
[4:46:50] the light tech piece.
[4:46:51] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:46:55] did you have anything else?
[4:47:00] >> the deadline to have your
[4:47:01] light tech application is is
[4:47:03] MARCH 15.
[4:47:06] In the event it is not approved
[4:47:06] the applicant add a specific
[4:47:07] proffer
[4:47:09] .
[4:47:10] i can read that to you or just
[4:47:14] reference it.
[4:47:19] Proffer for b states in the
[4:47:20] event the light tech
[4:47:25] application is not awarded, the
[4:47:26] building would be made
[4:47:28] available making 80 percent
[4:47:32] ami.
[4:47:33] That would be in a portable
[4:47:34] dwelling unit building and not
[4:47:36] a market rate building.
[4:47:45] You are welcome.
[4:47:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:47:46] supervisor vega.
[4:47:47] >> Yesli Vega: scott, I have a
[4:47:49] few questions for you.
[4:47:50] Remind me what the total
[4:47:52] acreage of this property is.
[4:47:59] >> it is 22.4.
[4:48:00] >> Yesli Vega: how many stacked
[4:48:01] buildings are we talking about.
[4:48:05] >> we are looking at the 242.
[4:48:07] In terms of the buildings were
[4:48:07] the units?
[4:48:08] I'm sorry.
[4:48:12] >> Yesli Vega: the buildings.
[4:48:14] >> looking at the sticks
[4:48:20] .
[4:48:21] >> Yesli Vega: let me make it
[4:48:22] easier.
[4:48:22] What percentage of the project
[4:48:23] is composed of stacked
[4:48:24] buildings?
[4:48:26] >> probably 80 percent.
[4:48:30] >> Yesli Vega: okay.
[4:48:36] You answered questions in
[4:48:37] regards to proffers for schools
[4:48:43] and traffic.
[4:48:44] There was a comment made that
[4:48:45] the pmr standards are outdated.
[4:48:49] Can you expand on that?
[4:48:50] >> maybe the applicant could
[4:48:50] expand.
[4:48:51] I know that we often get
[4:48:54] waivers to meet current market
[4:48:55] demands and development trends
[4:48:59] .
[4:49:00] Pmr, it's not uncommon to have
[4:49:07] waivers that go with that.
[4:49:08] One could say they are outdated
[4:49:08] that I can't say that one way
[4:49:10] or the other.
[4:49:11] They are intended to have more
[4:49:21] flexibility.
[4:49:21] >> Yesli Vega: yup MS.
[4:49:22] Washington behind to.
[4:49:23] >> as part of the comprehensive
[4:49:24] update, one of our big
[4:49:26] objectives is to update the
[4:49:26] zoning ordinance in full
[4:49:27] alignment with the
[4:49:30] comprehensive plan and as a
[4:49:30] part of the scope of work we
[4:49:34] will be looking up.
[4:49:34] And actually, we already
[4:49:37] provided to our consultant of a
[4:49:38] sample of the waivers we see
[4:49:47] frequently.
[4:49:48] Related to the issues in terms
[4:49:49] of zoning ordinance standards
[4:49:50] and how they do or don't meet
[4:49:51] with the policy goals of the
[4:49:53] comprehensive plan
[4:49:53] .
[4:49:54] Pmr being a good example
[4:49:55] because we see that often with
[4:49:58] these types of applications
[4:49:58] .
[4:49:59] That is something we are
[4:50:06] looking at so we can bring the
[4:50:07] zoning ordinance standards a
[4:50:07] better alignment with the
[4:50:08] company and supplant and reduce
[4:50:16] the need for waivers for these
[4:50:17] types of circumstances.
[4:50:17] >> Yesli Vega: thank you.
[4:50:18] Back to you, scott.
[4:50:19] You mentioned the concerns that
[4:50:20] led to the planning commission
[4:50:22] denial of this application and
[4:50:23] you highlighted some.
[4:50:24] I see there are two proffers
[4:50:24] listed.
[4:50:26] Or at least highlighted.
[4:50:31] I know that there are more out
[4:50:31] of the 21 is being accepted
[4:50:41] with contingencies and the
[4:50:42] other one stop does not support
[4:50:43] as submitted.
[4:50:44] No, I do know that there is a
[4:50:45] request for waiver in regards
[4:50:49] to parking but for public
[4:50:50] record and awareness, can you
[4:50:51] talk to me about the parking
[4:50:52] situation?
[4:50:53] >> the site as proposed
[4:51:03] , they
[4:51:04] are providing 40 or 50 spaces.
[4:51:05] >> Yesli Vega: it is going
[4:51:05] over?
[4:51:06] >> yes.
[4:51:07] Based on the minimum
[4:51:08] requirements because with these
[4:51:09] condo developments parking is a
[4:51:11] concern on site
[4:51:11] .
[4:51:14] >> Yesli Vega: okay.
[4:51:15] And then the last question I
[4:51:19] have is in regards to buffers
[4:51:19] .
[4:51:20] You talked a lot about the
[4:51:20] buffers and I know that was a
[4:51:24] point of great discussion
[4:51:27] during the pc hearing also.
[4:51:28] My concern stems, I know you
[4:51:31] talked about the buffer along
[4:51:32] the parkway, but I know we
[4:51:36] received concerns in regards to
[4:51:37] the buffer that abuts the
[4:51:40] commercial property.
[4:51:41] Based on my understanding of
[4:51:47] your comments, this has been a
[4:51:48] request made but I guess we
[4:51:48] haven't been able to reach
[4:51:52] common ground?
[4:51:52] >> that is correct.
[4:51:53] We feel it should be increased
[4:51:56] to 50 feet.
[4:51:57] >> Yesli Vega: those are all
[4:51:58] the questions I have for now.
[4:52:00] Thank you.
[4:52:01] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:52:02] does anyone else on the dais
[4:52:04] have questions?
[4:52:04] All right.
[4:52:06] If not, I'm going to go ahead
[4:52:10] and open the public hearing for
[4:52:23] agenda item 13 a and that is
[4:52:23] maple valley road to.
[4:52:24] I already have a list of people
[4:52:25] who have signed up to speak in
[4:52:26] person and I'm sure there are
[4:52:26] more.
[4:52:27] I'm going to call you in groups
[4:52:29] of five.
[4:52:30] You have three minutes.
[4:52:31] If you are with an organization
[4:52:32] recognized by the board you
[4:52:35] have five minutes and we cannot
[4:52:35] have two people from the
[4:52:40] organization.
[4:52:40] Would like to start with MR.
[4:52:41] Martin, delta nichols
[4:52:44] , larry
[4:52:46] brenneman
[4:52:50] , chris cummings and
[4:52:58] then jessica francis.
[4:52:59] Would like to remind everyone
[4:53:00] to make sure you state your
[4:53:11] name clearly and in the
[4:53:12] magisterial district where you
[4:53:12] aside.
[4:53:13] You don't need to give your
[4:53:14] home address it.
[4:53:15] Make sure you adjust the
[4:53:15] microphone so we can hear you.
[4:53:28] That is very important.
[4:53:28] >> good evening.
[4:53:31] My name is martin.
[4:53:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:53:36] adjust the microphone.
[4:53:36] >> my name is martin.
[4:53:38] I live in the occoquan district
[4:53:42] and me representing the civic
[4:53:42] association and I would like
[4:53:44] the extended time if I could.
[4:53:45] I want to welcome MR. Stewart
[4:53:47] to the board
[4:53:48] .
[4:53:49] I look forward to working with
[4:53:54] you.
[4:53:54] Ready had a fairly short
[4:53:55] conversation but looking
[4:53:56] forward to working with you in
[4:53:56] the future.
[4:53:58] Want to thank the applicant
[4:53:59] coming ultimate county civic
[4:54:01] association and sharing the
[4:54:06] information on the program.
[4:54:07] We digested their information
[4:54:10] and took a look at the project
[4:54:11] and send a letter to the board
[4:54:12] previously from the mid-county
[4:54:14] association in prince william
[4:54:15] county conservation alliance
[4:54:20] asking that you deny the
[4:54:20] application.
[4:54:21] And I want to go into some
[4:54:23] reasons why.
[4:54:24] Just a little background on
[4:54:27] this area
[4:54:28] .
[4:54:29] And referring to the slide I
[4:54:30] have appear now, the area was
[4:54:35] previously in the comp plan
[4:54:36] before this was all semi-rural
[4:54:38] residential.
[4:54:39] Including the parcels were
[4:54:45] maple valley road is.
[4:54:45] That semirural residential is
[4:54:46] 2.5 acres for home average
[4:54:55] density in a course the one we
[4:54:56] have now is five acres per
[4:54:56] home.
[4:54:57] It has been recognized for a
[4:54:57] long time in the county
[4:54:58] combines a plan and even for
[4:54:59] the
[4:55:00] county combines and plan, and
[4:55:01] this area of the county is
[4:55:05] environment lease incident in
[4:55:05] is the watershed area that
[4:55:06] should be protected such as
[4:55:07] fairfax county did many, many
[4:55:09] years ago in the area on the
[4:55:11] occoquan.
[4:55:21] So this area was in the srr but
[4:55:22] for whatever reason in the new
[4:55:23] comprehensive plan that was put
[4:55:23] into a much higher density
[4:55:26] designation which is mu3.
[4:55:28] We don't agree with that
[4:55:30] change.
[4:55:31] We think this creates a
[4:55:37] situation where you have a
[4:55:38] transition that is really
[4:55:39] unworkable between the mu3
[4:55:41] designation and the designation
[4:55:42] which is one home per five
[4:55:44] acres
[4:55:45] .
[4:55:46] It is hard to have a transition
[4:55:46] between that much of a
[4:55:55] difference in these density
[4:55:56] recommendations.
[4:55:57] And I might mention that the
[4:55:57] maple valley grove project is
[4:55:58] right at the top of the density
[4:55:59] range and so we have a range
[4:56:00] and I will talk about that in a
[4:56:02] minute.
[4:56:03] But the project is right at the
[4:56:09] top of that.
[4:56:10] From the very beginning we
[4:56:11] didn't see a way forward.
[4:56:12] We like to work with the
[4:56:12] applicants, would like to work
[4:56:21] with the community and make
[4:56:22] improvements to a project, but
[4:56:22] it was so far out of scale what
[4:56:23] was around that we didn't feel
[4:56:24] we could do that with the
[4:56:33] application.
[4:56:33] So since it is in mu3 we have
[4:56:36] to recognize the reality of the
[4:56:37] situation and it is in the comp
[4:56:39] plan so developers are going to
[4:56:39] develop based on that.
[4:56:40] Was sober, going to the lower
[4:56:41] end of the density range in a
[4:56:41] situation like this where you
[4:56:42] are in an area where young much
[4:56:43] lower density
[4:56:44] around it.
[4:56:45] They provide for a better
[4:56:46] transition to the other areas,
[4:56:47] other parcels.
[4:56:48] And it would also enable the
[4:56:49] applicant to do some things the
[4:56:53] staff is wanting to do with
[4:56:54] larger buffers.
[4:56:55] It would enable them to
[4:57:01] preserve more of the trees.
[4:57:02] If you talk to your arborist
[4:57:03] you will find that this parcel
[4:57:08] is completely wooded it with
[4:57:09] the good-quality forest.
[4:57:10] So this project would involve
[4:57:11] clearcutting most of the woods
[4:57:13] and it would involve a lot of
[4:57:17] impervious surfaces added to
[4:57:18] this project.
[4:57:18] We would look, going to the
[4:57:19] lower end of the density scale
[4:57:25] and that would enable you to
[4:57:26] protect a lot of the sensitive
[4:57:39] forest and less impervious
[4:57:39] surfaces and make a better
[4:57:41] transition to the surrounding
[4:57:41] areas.
[4:57:42] We did talk briefly to the
[4:57:43] applicant about the any meeting
[4:57:44] and that wasn't something new
[4:57:44] that
[4:57:46] they were interested in
[4:57:46] doing.
[4:57:47] I just will say along with
[4:57:48] their planning commission who
[4:57:49] did recommend denial, and of
[4:57:50] course they were deadlocked and
[4:57:52] they went ahead and moved it
[4:57:52] forward to.
[4:57:53] But they did recommend denial
[4:57:54] and also prince william
[4:57:55] conservation alliance I sent a
[4:57:58] letter recommending denial.
[4:57:59] That is our position on this.
[4:58:01] We appreciate the time and I
[4:58:02] will see you again in a few
[4:58:03] minutes.
[4:58:04] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[4:58:08] next speaker, please.
[4:58:09] >> Public Speaker: good
[4:58:15] evening.
[4:58:15] For that I request five
[4:58:16] minutes, please.
[4:58:20] Hopefully he to you is doing
[4:58:21] well.
[4:58:29] The maple valley grove, this
[4:58:30] proposed development is
[4:58:36] proposed in the wrong location.
[4:58:37] The idea of a development
[4:58:38] nothing against it but the
[4:58:38] location is not good.
[4:58:39] When you think about the high
[4:58:43] density and being in the middle
[4:58:50] of a transportation desert, it
[4:58:51] just doesn't add up.
[4:58:53] We hear people talk about walk
[4:58:55] ability.
[4:59:02] walk ability is a big variable.
[4:59:03] If you live in a community you
[4:59:04] a favorite spot that you want
[4:59:06] to go.
[4:59:07] Of your favorite grocery store,
[4:59:11] you of your favorite hardware
[4:59:12] store, so on and so forth.
[4:59:16] And you MAY not
[4:59:16] , the people MAY
[4:59:19] not want to go and shop any of
[4:59:20] these businesses right next to
[4:59:24] it.
[4:59:25] And so when you think about
[4:59:28] walk ability
[4:59:34] , let's be real.
[4:59:41] It is only a theory.
[4:59:42] Now, this area is already
[4:59:46] overly saturated with traffic.
[4:59:47] And when I came over here of
[4:59:48] 5:30 P.M. This evening so I
[4:59:49] could sign up to speak
[4:59:50] , on the
[4:59:52] principle william parkway
[4:59:59] backup coming for manassas was
[5:00:00] just about a half-mile.
[5:00:01] And when you think about that
[5:00:03] kind of congestion which is
[5:00:05] typical for basically any day
[5:00:09] of the week.
[5:00:14] That is not acceptable.
[5:00:17] Why would we want to pack I
[5:00:20] high density development with
[5:00:28] 274 units into an already over
[5:00:29] saturated intersection of a
[5:00:31] parkway
[5:00:31] .
[5:00:37] Now, keep in mind that the
[5:00:38] mosque is going to expand in
[5:00:41] the future.
[5:00:42] You are going to have even more
[5:00:44] traffic.
[5:00:44] And so I think we need to think
[5:00:50] this through very clearly and
[5:00:50] not be prone to say yes just
[5:00:54] because someone asks the
[5:00:56] question.
[5:01:02] To consider the location
[5:01:02] , this
[5:01:03] location, it's likening to
[5:01:06] trying to hammer a round peg
[5:01:09] into a square hole.
[5:01:10] When you think about this,
[5:01:14] there are a lot of other areas
[5:01:19] in the county in which this
[5:01:20] would be the ideal development.
[5:01:21] Ideally among transportation
[5:01:22] hubs
[5:01:22] .
[5:01:27] And I can never figure out why
[5:01:33] we sometimes seem to consider
[5:01:33] developments in isolation from
[5:01:34] some of the other factors that
[5:01:38] are interlocked.
[5:01:38] They are interwoven in the same
[5:01:39] campus.
[5:01:45] He can't consider one
[5:01:46] without the other.
[5:01:48] You can consider building
[5:01:49] houses without considering the
[5:01:52] transportation because in the
[5:01:54] process of doing that, and
[5:01:59] create a larger problem than
[5:02:00] the overused phrase the
[5:02:06] unintended consequences
[5:02:08] .
[5:02:08] The truth of the matter is
[5:02:09] you're going to have to come
[5:02:10] back later and fix those and
[5:02:11] they are going to cost you more
[5:02:13] , cost us more later than they
[5:02:15] do today.
[5:02:21] Maple valley grove would place
[5:02:23] a lot of pressure on this small
[5:02:26] corner of the county.
[5:02:27] Oversaturation in this
[5:02:32] particular location already
[5:02:36] suffering from congestion and
[5:02:37] vehicles.
[5:02:38] The planning commission as it
[5:02:45] was stated already recommended
[5:02:46] disapproval and asks you to
[5:02:47] please consider the big
[5:02:53] picture.
[5:02:54] Don't consider this in
[5:02:55] isolation, considerate with
[5:02:55] all
[5:02:56] the pieces that go together
[5:02:57] that make up the whole.
[5:02:57] 'm
[5:02:57] under the impression now that
[5:03:06] we perhaps consider one or two
[5:03:07] pieces of this in disregarding
[5:03:08] the whole.
[5:03:09] Think about the consequences of
[5:03:12] it just MAY not be so positive.
[5:03:13] So I am asking you to vote no.
[5:03:24] Thank you.
[5:03:25] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:03:26] thank you.
[5:03:26] Can you
[5:03:26] hold on?
[5:03:27] We are not going to have any
[5:03:28] outburst of applause.
[5:03:28] Second of all, if you can say
[5:03:29] the magisterial district where
[5:03:30] you reside, it's very
[5:03:31] important we get everyone's
[5:03:32] name and where they reside
[5:03:32] .
[5:03:33] >> Public Speaker: I thought
[5:03:35] already said that, but I reside
[5:03:40] in the occoquan district
[5:03:41] .
[5:03:42] Supervisor kenny boddye is my
[5:03:42] supervisor.
[5:03:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:03:46] you don't need to give your
[5:03:48] address.
[5:03:58] Unless you want me to show up.
[5:03:59] >> Public Speaker: my wife just
[5:04:00] made some cookies.
[5:04:01] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:04:02] that's not what I need.
[5:04:03] Say your name and magisterial
[5:04:03] district.
[5:04:05] >> Public Speaker: my name is
[5:04:05] larry.
[5:04:08] I'm in the coles district I'm
[5:04:09] just a resident.
[5:04:11] I would ask the board to vote
[5:04:12] no on the current versions of
[5:04:15] the projects pick up relays we
[5:04:27] are talking about maple growly
[5:04:28] grove, but as the previous
[5:04:29] speaker spoke about, hoadley
[5:04:29] square is abutted right up to
[5:04:30] this project so just as the
[5:04:31] principal the planning
[5:04:35] commission have done.
[5:04:36] I understand progress and I in
[5:04:44] in favor of it, however,
[5:04:44] progress should be
[5:04:45] strategically planned.
[5:04:46] Stay within the confines of
[5:04:47] previous planning and do what
[5:04:48] is right for the surrounding
[5:04:49] area as well as prince william
[5:04:49] county.
[5:04:50] These housing projects do not
[5:04:53] fit in the locations proposed.
[5:04:54] Other board approved projects
[5:04:55] such as trenton falls fit into
[5:04:58] hunter's ridge in lake
[5:05:07] communities.
[5:05:08] Although two separate projects,
[5:05:09] hoadley square in maple valley
[5:05:09] should not be considered in
[5:05:12] isolation.
[5:05:12] Instead of 40+ homes covering
[5:05:14] 81 acres about these
[5:05:15] properties, these projects
[5:05:17] proposed 553 housing units
[5:05:23] combined.
[5:05:24] This introduces an overwhelming
[5:05:24] amount of traffic and has of
[5:05:25] our middle and school
[5:05:26] implications and then I propose
[5:05:34] projects I kings grove, the
[5:05:34] mosque expansion, you
[5:05:35] completely inundated and
[5:05:43] overwhelmed hoadley road.
[5:05:44] Not sure about the parkway but
[5:05:45] I assume it will be overwhelmed
[5:05:45] as well.
[5:05:47] I live in pencil and county
[5:05:48] since 1983.
[5:05:48] But my first home in 1989.
[5:05:48] Y
[5:05:49] second home just down the road
[5:05:55] in 2013.
[5:05:56] We use hoadley road and prince
[5:05:56] william every day.
[5:05:57] My life and I would love to
[5:05:57] retire here.
[5:05:59] Please vote no on the current
[5:06:00] versions of the projects.
[5:06:07] Said the applicant back and
[5:06:08] stay in the prince william
[5:06:09] county 2040 comprehensive plan
[5:06:10] and as parameters and protect
[5:06:11] our water resources.
[5:06:11] Thank you.
[5:06:12] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:06:20] next speaker, please.
[5:06:21] >> Public Speaker: good evening
[5:06:22] members of the board of
[5:06:22] supervisors.
[5:06:23] My name is christopher
[5:06:23] cummings.
[5:06:26] I live in the occoquan
[5:06:27] magisterial district and I have
[5:06:31] been there since 1996.
[5:06:31] It seems recently all we get
[5:06:32] our increased taxes, or data
[5:06:35] centers, and more high density
[5:06:49] housing.
[5:06:50] The maple valley grove proposal
[5:06:51] if passed will, I believe,
[5:06:52] impose unreasonable burdens on
[5:06:53] the transportation
[5:06:53] infrastructure as well as a
[5:06:54] watershed area that buffers the
[5:06:55] occoquan reservoir.
[5:06:56] Identity housing should be
[5:06:57] steered to areas with high
[5:06:57] capacity transit like vre nodes
[5:06:58] and not to major road in the
[5:07:03] sections already heavily
[5:07:03] burdened with traffic.
[5:07:06] The impact on schools has been
[5:07:07] mentioned here, but the
[5:07:10] solution town tenuous and iffy
[5:07:12] to me.
[5:07:15] Is a crucial consideration.
[5:07:16] A huge amount of impervious
[5:07:21] surfaces in the hoadley prince
[5:07:22] william pkwy. Area detract from
[5:07:23] the watershed and threaten
[5:07:32] those of us nearby who depend
[5:07:32] on well water from our homes.
[5:07:33] It matters the planning
[5:07:34] commission at a lotta concerns
[5:07:37] about this, but that only tells
[5:07:37] part of the story.
[5:07:38] I think this is an ill-advised
[5:07:40] plan and should be denied and I
[5:07:48] ask you vote no
[5:07:48] .
[5:07:49] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:07:50] next speaker.
[5:07:50] ask everyone speaking make sure
[5:07:51] the microphone is close so we
[5:07:52] can hear you.
[5:07:54] >> Public Speaker: good
[5:07:54] evening.
[5:07:55] My name is jessica and I am an
[5:08:03] occoquan resident and I am
[5:08:03] happy to call prince william
[5:08:04] county my home.
[5:08:05] Appear to speak about both
[5:08:06] maple valley grove and hoadley
[5:08:07] square since they are together
[5:08:10] at this point.
[5:08:11] I know something I will say.
[5:08:12] People touched on the impacts.
[5:08:13] I was at the pc meeting as well
[5:08:14] and thought it was really
[5:08:14] important they shared.
[5:08:17] It was a 1000 percent impact,
[5:08:18] which I thought was really
[5:08:19] minimal.
[5:08:24] I think both these communities
[5:08:25] my thought is being close to
[5:08:25] existing retail, commercial,
[5:08:32] businesses I shop at, I'm
[5:08:33] happy to see that they are near
[5:08:34] businesses like that that I
[5:08:34] want to stick around and be
[5:08:44] supported in the long-term.
[5:08:45] I think that makes a sensible
[5:08:46] fit for where it is at work on
[5:08:47] a personal note I am a parent
[5:08:48] of a to and half-year-old so I
[5:08:48] care deeply about crating
[5:08:50] places my to and half-year-old
[5:08:50] can be raised.
[5:08:51] Want to be here for the
[5:08:51] long-term so I hope when you
[5:08:52] think about the projects which
[5:08:59] I'm in support of because they
[5:09:00] of amenities and are close to
[5:09:01] the shopping that you guys
[5:09:02] think about invoices like us
[5:09:03] who want to live here for the
[5:09:03] next
[5:09:04] 20 to 30 years and I
[5:09:04] appreciate your time today.
[5:09:05] >>
[5:09:06] Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor: I
[5:09:06] should have called up my next a
[5:09:07] bunch.
[5:09:07] Shley, norman, gary
[5:09:20] o'brien and paul howard.
[5:09:24] >> Public Speaker: my name is
[5:09:25] norman stone.
[5:09:26] I live in the occoquan
[5:09:29] district.
[5:09:30] I would like to mention
[5:09:31] something we are talking about
[5:09:33] tree buffers and other things.
[5:09:40] Walkways to the shopping
[5:09:40] center.
[5:09:41] The most important things are
[5:09:46] the traffic, number of cars in
[5:09:47] the hoadley square develop an
[5:09:47] is going to bring.
[5:09:48] It's already tough getting out
[5:09:49] of my neighborhood which is
[5:09:53] lost creek court.
[5:09:54] During friday you would be
[5:09:55] lucky to get out within 30
[5:09:58] minutes.
[5:09:59] I don't know where they got the
[5:10:03] numbers of prince william pkwy.
[5:10:03] Only being a five second delay
[5:10:04] on a car.
[5:10:07] What world do they live in?
[5:10:10] And also, the schools
[5:10:20] .
[5:10:21] There were statements about
[5:10:22] overcrowding and if they could
[5:10:23] handle this development and I
[5:10:23] didn't hear
[5:10:24] it a clear answer
[5:10:25] what the future would bring.
[5:10:26] Virginia is doing the study on
[5:10:30] hoadley road now, but they
[5:10:31] haven't come up with any
[5:10:32] solution we are talking about
[5:10:37] adding more problems to the
[5:10:37] road.
[5:10:38] Wouldn't it be wise to get the
[5:10:43] first solution corrected before
[5:10:44] we start adding anymore
[5:10:45] possible traffic?
[5:10:45] Something that is going to be
[5:10:51] here forever.
[5:10:51] If you approve the project and
[5:10:52] they start it, there's no
[5:10:53] turning back.
[5:10:54] we might lose water also in the
[5:10:55] reservoir across the occoquan
[5:11:00] reservoir and it seems there is
[5:11:00] more loss of water than gaining
[5:11:02] of water.
[5:11:03] That should be important to the
[5:11:04] board.
[5:11:07] Traffic, schools and water
[5:11:07] .
[5:11:11] Thank you.
[5:11:12] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:11:20] next speaker, please
[5:11:20] .
[5:11:21] >> Public Speaker: good
[5:11:21] evening.
[5:11:22] My name is ashley.
[5:11:24] Speaking on the half of the
[5:11:25] prince william conservation
[5:11:26] alliance and I request five
[5:11:27] minutes and I'm from the
[5:11:30] occoquan district.
[5:11:31] So the principle of them
[5:11:32] conservation alliances and
[5:11:38] environmental nonprofit.
[5:11:39] We've been operational for 20
[5:11:40] years in the county and we
[5:11:41] focus on creating equitable and
[5:11:42] sustainable communities
[5:11:43] throughout our wonderful
[5:11:49] county.
[5:11:50] So martin outlined the lot of
[5:11:50] the main points I wanted to
[5:11:51] hit, but there are a couple
[5:11:53] things I wanted to mention in
[5:11:55] highlight again.
[5:12:03] In relation to maple valley
[5:12:03] grove proposal.
[5:12:06] First, the site is forested and
[5:12:07] it is located in the occoquan
[5:12:11] reservoir watershed.
[5:12:12] So from an environmental
[5:12:15] perspective there's no
[5:12:16] environmental reason why the
[5:12:19] parcel was excluded from the
[5:12:21] occoquan reservoir protection
[5:12:29] area when it was created it was
[5:12:33] upland for development.
[5:12:34] As a result we are facing a
[5:12:38] proposal that would pretty much
[5:12:39] clear cut and percent of an
[5:12:43] intact forest in the watershed
[5:12:44] that supplies the drinking
[5:12:49] water up to a million
[5:12:49] residents.
[5:12:50] We keep seeing this erosion
[5:12:52] across the county.
[5:12:55] Is parcel is located and what
[5:12:56] they are referring to as so
[5:13:01] forest built
[5:13:02] .
[5:13:03] And actually, if I can get this
[5:13:07] little do hickey here we can
[5:13:22] see it together.
[5:13:23] This is the forest built.
[5:13:24] Anyway, we will have to go with
[5:13:25] it but the light green area is
[5:13:25] the force belt that extends
[5:13:26] from prince william forest all
[5:13:37] the way in the fairfax and it
[5:13:38] protects most the headwaters of
[5:13:39] the streams that flow toward
[5:13:40] the eastern end.
[5:13:40] Neabsco creek.
[5:13:41] I am sure I am leaving.
[5:13:42] But also the area in the
[5:13:43] reservoir.
[5:13:50] So this proposal represents
[5:13:55] further outward expansion
[5:13:55] .
[5:13:56] Those red areas on the map end
[5:13:57] of the landscapes that play a
[5:13:58] critical roll protecting our
[5:14:02] waterways.
[5:14:03] Each of these decisions MAY
[5:14:06] seem small but collectively
[5:14:06] they add up to a steady
[5:14:08] erosion.
[5:14:11] From a small group perspective
[5:14:12] we would prefer to see the type
[5:14:14] of development in higher
[5:14:15] density directed to the red
[5:14:19] areas and areas of a structure
[5:14:27] exists and we can build a
[5:14:28] critical mass needed to support
[5:14:29] existing public transit hubs
[5:14:31] walkable communities.
[5:14:32] Rather than continue to push
[5:14:33] develop an outward.
[5:14:34] Which
[5:14:38] undermines those goals.
[5:14:38] of the proposal MAY be
[5:14:39] consistent with the
[5:14:41] comprehensive plan, it reflects
[5:14:47] the long-standing pattern of
[5:14:48] wood locks and agriculture
[5:14:49] lands because it easier and
[5:14:49] more profitable to do so the
[5:15:01] redevelopment.
[5:15:02] Phone as we fill meaningful
[5:15:03] incentives for redevelopment or
[5:15:04] incentivized conservation, this
[5:15:04] is the types of things we will
[5:15:08] be continuing to seek and get
[5:15:09] someone to lead with what if we
[5:15:10] had a goal of maintaining our
[5:15:12] existing tree cover
[5:15:12] introduction seriously.
[5:15:18] How would be billed than what
[5:15:19] if we had a goal to reduce salt
[5:15:20] in the occoquan reservoir and
[5:15:21] what would development look
[5:15:30] like if that was our goal.
[5:15:31] Pw see accreted the vision to
[5:15:32] start to play with these
[5:15:32] questions and so much more in
[5:15:36] this application should
[5:15:37] consider reducing the density
[5:15:38] so we can cluster and protect
[5:15:39] more the tree covered at the
[5:15:39] very least.
[5:15:42] Thank you very much
[5:15:42] .
[5:15:44] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:15:47] next speaker, please.
[5:15:53] >> Public Speaker: name is paul
[5:15:53] howard.
[5:15:54] I have lived in the occoquan
[5:15:56] area since 1987 and I am
[5:15:57] currently a resident in the
[5:15:59] forest development of lost
[5:16:03] creek ct.
[5:16:04] The addition of high density
[5:16:13] housing on the corner of
[5:16:13] trenton and the parkway is
[5:16:14] going to greet an additional
[5:16:14] nightmare.
[5:16:15] I'm not too sure where the five
[5:16:16] top five seconds comes from,
[5:16:19] but it took me almost 8 minutes
[5:16:20] to make a left turn from the
[5:16:21] parkway onto hoadley yesterday
[5:16:25] evening.
[5:16:25] I'm not sure how that
[5:16:29] translates to 5.5 seconds.
[5:16:30] There are a lot of things to
[5:16:31] like about these developments.
[5:16:35] The low cost housing for
[5:16:37] believers responders that live
[5:16:42] in the county.
[5:16:43] Is much better places to put
[5:16:47] these.
[5:16:48] Hopefully near transportation
[5:16:48] hub.
[5:16:49] I have the misfortune of
[5:16:50] trying to get the bus to
[5:16:53] potomac mills from the trenton
[5:16:55] bus stop and it took an hour.
[5:16:57] I don't consider that practical
[5:17:09] for people living in these
[5:17:10] proposed developments to use
[5:17:11] public transport.
[5:17:11] We are going to have to use
[5:17:12] cars and as far as the walk
[5:17:13] ability to the shopping center,
[5:17:17] I don't want to be loading bags
[5:17:18] from harris teeter all the way
[5:17:25] back to my house on the hoadley
[5:17:26] square or the other
[5:17:26] development.
[5:17:37] That's not going to happen.
[5:17:37] No one will do the shopping and
[5:17:39] then lug it all back to the
[5:17:40] house that is just not the way
[5:17:40] it works will be realistic
[5:17:41] about that.
[5:17:42] You could talk about 50 feet,
[5:17:42] 30 feet.
[5:17:43] Another 20 feet when you're
[5:17:44] carrying your groceries doesn't
[5:17:50] really matter.
[5:17:50] I'm not in favor of either of
[5:17:56] these developments and I think
[5:17:57] we could be moved much better
[5:17:58] locations in the county near
[5:17:59] transportation hubs where
[5:18:02] people can use transportation
[5:18:06] to get to jobs and shops, etc.
[5:18:07] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:18:18] next speaker, please.
[5:18:19] >> Public Speaker: thank you
[5:18:20] for this opportunity.
[5:18:21] My name is gary o'brien.
[5:18:21] I'm from the coles district.
[5:18:24] The proposed rezoning of the
[5:18:28] occoquan reserve protection
[5:18:35] area proposed trenton amico
[5:18:36] valley grove development brings
[5:18:37] back disturbing memories of the
[5:18:39] initial rezoning in the rural
[5:18:42] crescent in 2001 for the 305
[5:18:52] acre preserve at long branch.
[5:18:53] Some of you remember that.
[5:18:54] First of all, calling it a
[5:18:55] preserve is an oxymoron.
[5:18:55] Every buildable portion was
[5:18:56] stripped of trees.
[5:18:57] The argument was it would they
[5:19:02] be
[5:19:05] , it would subsequently be
[5:19:06] used by developers and their
[5:19:07] lawyers as a precedent for more
[5:19:08] rezoning within the rural
[5:19:09] crescent watershed.
[5:19:10] Investment
[5:19:11] co. And the prince william
[5:19:12] conservation alliance and
[5:19:14] others not correctly predicted
[5:19:14] with any of the supervisors
[5:19:15] voted to eliminate the rural
[5:19:19] crescent 170,000 acres or 52
[5:19:20] percent of the county landmass
[5:19:20] ,
[5:19:25] which removed substantial
[5:19:27] portion of the occoquan
[5:19:28] watershed from adequate
[5:19:32] protection.
[5:19:38] What we didn't foresee was
[5:19:39] homebuilders like selling their
[5:19:42] rezoning linda data centers
[5:19:43] which are exploding with
[5:19:44] general crescent another
[5:19:44] formally protected watershed
[5:19:45] areas are protected watershed
[5:19:57] acres are gone forever.
[5:19:58] Like I said, here we go again.
[5:19:59] There once again saying it's a
[5:20:00] small intrusion into a newly
[5:20:01] created for much-needed
[5:20:06] housing.
[5:20:07] Exact excuse used last time.
[5:20:08] the only difference at this
[5:20:08] time it was argued was we
[5:20:09] needed the upscale housing to
[5:20:12] attract industry
[5:20:17] .
[5:20:17] Boy did that backfire.
[5:20:18] It sad to watch decision so
[5:20:23] shortsighted the provide
[5:20:24] instant gratification of the
[5:20:25] cost of painful and expensive
[5:20:28] subsequent outcomes will live
[5:20:29] to regret putting highly
[5:20:34] density housing lynn takes away
[5:20:36] more water absorbing critically
[5:20:37] needed resources reducing
[5:20:41] flooding, rapid water runoff
[5:20:43] scours the stream thanks which
[5:20:48] filled the occoquan reducing
[5:20:49] the amount of water it can hold
[5:20:51] as well as reduce its water
[5:20:51] quality.
[5:20:54] Rainstorms are getting more
[5:20:59] severe globally.
[5:21:00] If he continued to pay over the
[5:21:03] critical forest as well as not
[5:21:04] update our stormwater
[5:21:08] management guidelines, we are
[5:21:09] asking for more trouble ahead.
[5:21:10] The proposed projects would
[5:21:11] further permanently harm the
[5:21:13] occoquan reservoir they don't
[5:21:21] allow for enough tree buffers
[5:21:22] there are not enough classroom
[5:21:23] seats available for high
[5:21:23] density housing.
[5:21:26] That threatens nearby woods and
[5:21:27] it is too far for mass transit
[5:21:28] and would further exacerbate
[5:21:29] the problems in prince william
[5:21:29] pkwy.
[5:21:39] Thank you.
[5:21:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:21:41] I'm going to call the next
[5:21:42] group but I do ask, this is
[5:21:43] going to be a very long night.
[5:21:43] Particularly for people
[5:21:44] speaking on all the cases
[5:21:46] tonight.
[5:21:47] I'm going to ask for decorum.
[5:21:47] When your time is up be
[5:21:48] respectful because we have a
[5:21:49] number of people who want to
[5:21:50] speak and I know no one wants
[5:21:51] to stay here until zero dark
[5:21:54] 30.
[5:21:54] I hope no one wants to stay
[5:21:58] here until zero dark 30.
[5:21:59] Before get to the next speaker
[5:22:00] I will call up minnick stupid
[5:22:01] people.
[5:22:09] Paul, william, michael
[5:22:09] , clancy.
[5:22:10] If all of you all can go up
[5:22:11] there.
[5:22:14] You can go to the microphone.
[5:22:17] You can also adjust it.
[5:22:18] I want to make sure we hear you
[5:22:22] and everyone else.
[5:22:22] Just stay there.
[5:22:24] Don't move.
[5:22:28] You MAY begin.
[5:22:32] >> my name is anne stephenson
[5:22:33] and I reside in the occoquan
[5:22:35] district and my property is
[5:22:39] adjacent to the current horse
[5:22:41] farm that they would be hoadley
[5:22:43] square I came to the county in
[5:22:45] 1970.
[5:22:49] To teach school.
[5:22:51] Dale boulevard ended at derby
[5:22:56] dale at the time
[5:22:56] .
[5:22:57] Lived in my current health
[5:23:00] since 1990
[5:23:00] .
[5:23:03] I have seen the widening in
[5:23:04] forcing the building of the
[5:23:09] parkway
[5:23:09] .
[5:23:14] I've seen it all actually.
[5:23:14] The two projects together, it's
[5:23:15] hard to talk about one without
[5:23:20] talking about the other
[5:23:21] .
[5:23:22] There are good developments but
[5:23:27] not on this area.
[5:23:27] Not for the kind of land they
[5:23:28] would be built on and not the
[5:23:33] traffic it's going to
[5:23:33] exacerbate.
[5:23:34] the clearcutting of the maple
[5:23:39] valley grove area is
[5:23:40] disturbing.
[5:23:40] It's an environmentally
[5:23:44] sensitive area and we have had
[5:23:49] meetings over the last year or
[5:23:56] so within normal experts they
[5:23:57] feel the area should have been
[5:23:57] placed.
[5:24:01] It is very sensitive.
[5:24:05] As wetlands
[5:24:05] .
[5:24:07] It is close to our pas just
[5:24:17] like the horse farm area there
[5:24:17] .
[5:24:18] Whatever is done on the land
[5:24:19] maple valley grove will affect
[5:24:19] on down the area where the
[5:24:20] horse farm is and into our
[5:24:24] neighborhoods we are concerned
[5:24:30] about our wells into houses on
[5:24:33] the street already have had to
[5:24:39] redraw their wells.
[5:24:39] This is a sensitive issue and
[5:24:40] we have a right to be concerned
[5:24:48] with it.
[5:24:54] Added to that in the mosque
[5:24:56] expansion are unimaginable.
[5:24:59] Maple valley grove is going to
[5:25:00] be landlocked
[5:25:03] .
[5:25:04] Is only one road going into the
[5:25:07] and that is galveston.
[5:25:08] Galveston will also be the main
[5:25:11] road bringing the cars in and
[5:25:17] out of hoadley square.
[5:25:18] You can imagine all the people
[5:25:20] in the morning and at night
[5:25:21] coming down to galveston trying
[5:25:23] to get out.
[5:25:24] Is a light but there's also
[5:25:25] another new light thereby the
[5:25:37] mosque when you and the parkway
[5:25:37] very close.
[5:25:38] He traffic jams
[5:25:39] and gridlock are going to start
[5:25:39] on galveston pour out
[5:25:39] .
[5:25:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:25:41] thank you.
[5:25:41] your time is up.
[5:25:49] Next speaker.
[5:25:50] >> Public Speaker: my name is
[5:25:50] bill.
[5:25:51] I've lived here for 30 years in
[5:26:00] the occoquan district.
[5:26:01] The planning commission denied
[5:26:01] this I'm sure for
[5:26:01] great reasons.
[5:26:09] You got that against it.
[5:26:11] The biggest thing for me is the
[5:26:11] traffic congestion.
[5:26:11] T's a zoo
[5:26:12] out there already.
[5:26:15] On fridays the mosque has a lot
[5:26:15] of people.
[5:26:16] And it does add half an hour.
[5:26:17] I would by the intersection of
[5:26:24] purcell and hoadley.
[5:26:25] When I have to get to the
[5:26:26] parkway going south toward old
[5:26:31] bridge, it's taking me forever
[5:26:33] .
[5:26:34] When I forget about it's friday
[5:26:35] afternoon, I'm in trouble.
[5:26:36] But you put in the light over
[5:26:45] there by the mosque which is
[5:26:46] great.
[5:26:46] The police are still out there
[5:26:47] for what eight hours?
[5:26:48] The start before noon they
[5:26:51] don't stop until after 5:00.
[5:26:52] It is not just one cop.
[5:26:53] Have a bunch of cars down the
[5:26:56] road and they are all there.
[5:26:56] Light is not doing it.
[5:26:59] I can't imagine what the
[5:27:00] intersection of galveston and
[5:27:02] hoadley will be like.
[5:27:02] The only way into and out of
[5:27:07] their
[5:27:08] .
[5:27:08] Women heading east and I have
[5:27:09] to get in there, that's the
[5:27:09] only way
[5:27:09] .
[5:27:12] When I want to go to frosty
[5:27:14] moose I have to thread my way
[5:27:20] over there
[5:27:20] .
[5:27:21] there are a couple ways but
[5:27:22] they are heading west if I want
[5:27:23] to turn around and go back
[5:27:26] toward the parkway I have to
[5:27:27] wait in the separate left-hand
[5:27:28] turning lane to turn around.
[5:27:29] Can there be a separate
[5:27:32] left-hand turning lane for the
[5:27:34] new intersection
[5:27:34] .
[5:27:34] There can.
[5:27:36] When you look at it the way you
[5:27:42] set it up now heading west on
[5:27:42] hoadley after galveston there
[5:27:47] is a left-hand turning lane.
[5:27:48] There's no way to backup a new
[5:27:52] left-hand separate turning lane
[5:27:52] to get into galveston.
[5:27:59] It is going to be a zoo and if
[5:28:00] they are talking about 3700
[5:28:01] additional trips out of
[5:28:05] galveston, that's insane.
[5:28:05] I don't know where the two
[5:28:07] percent figure came from, but I
[5:28:10] can imagine this place grew
[5:28:12] .
[5:28:14] It was a whole lot more than
[5:28:15] that.
[5:28:21] That is a little too much.
[5:28:22] I can't imagine that was
[5:28:22] happening.
[5:28:23] F it was the same
[5:28:25] density as the stuff near penn
[5:28:30] elementary, I guess that would
[5:28:31] work.
[5:28:31] But that's unbelievable.
[5:28:35] And there are other places.
[5:28:36] I have been up and back over by
[5:28:37] costco for the last couple
[5:28:38] weeks.
[5:28:38] On either side of ashton avenue
[5:28:43] .
[5:28:44] There are already constructed
[5:28:45] entrances into vacant land.
[5:28:51] It seems like nobody can be a
[5:28:51] good place.
[5:28:52] I very much hope you're getting
[5:28:53] rid of this thing.
[5:28:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:28:54] thank you.
[5:28:57] next speaker, please.
[5:29:00] Spoke on michael.
[5:29:05] On reside in occoquan district.
[5:29:08] I spent the last several weeks
[5:29:10] walking our communities.
[5:29:11] I have been taught over 300
[5:29:19] houses and universally every
[5:29:22] single person I talked to that
[5:29:23] I encounter walking dogs, they
[5:29:28] were shocked and irate when
[5:29:28] they found out the details of
[5:29:37] the two projects.
[5:29:38] Maple valley and hoadley
[5:29:38] square.
[5:29:39] Mostly speaking about maple
[5:29:39] valley.
[5:29:39] He density is what
[5:29:42] was shocking to them.
[5:29:43] They were appalled this is
[5:29:44] being considered for this place
[5:29:44] in the county.
[5:29:45] I grew up working for my father
[5:29:46] who owned a construction
[5:29:46] company.
[5:29:50] I know growth is a part of this
[5:29:51] county.
[5:29:51] I've been here since I was born
[5:29:58] 1979.
[5:29:58] My grandmother sat on the
[5:29:59] school board.
[5:30:01] I understand the challenges
[5:30:02] from having conversations
[5:30:03] across the dinner table.
[5:30:04] The fact the schools are
[5:30:04] looking up this the way they
[5:30:08] are on the fact when I talk to
[5:30:10] people that have a lived
[5:30:10] experience every
[5:30:11] day like myself
[5:30:14] , this didn't project in the
[5:30:19] shape it is today is being
[5:30:19] considered for a vote.
[5:30:20] It's horrifying to those of us
[5:30:23] who live here.
[5:30:24] I'm not saying l1 as he glanced
[5:30:29] exactly as it is.
[5:30:29] We grow.
[5:30:31] We improve the community around
[5:30:40] us.
[5:30:41] This particular project is too
[5:30:42] dense for the current
[5:30:47] transportation schools.
[5:30:48] What I would ask is to consider
[5:30:49] looking at things holistically
[5:30:51] against all the projects being
[5:30:51] considered an offer real world
[5:30:52] solutions.
[5:30:54] Turn lane for the parkway is a
[5:30:57] laughable solution.
[5:31:03] Look at what is being done with
[5:31:03] the overpass.
[5:31:05] That is a more recent solution.
[5:31:06] We need real solutions that
[5:31:14] exist today before the project
[5:31:15] is put in place.
[5:31:16] We have real challenges that
[5:31:16] need to be addressed.
[5:31:22] Thank you for my time.
[5:31:23] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:31:23] thank you.
[5:31:29] Next speaker, please.
[5:31:30] >> Margaret Angela Franklin:
[5:31:31] >> Public Speaker: my name is
[5:31:32] james highland park we recently
[5:31:33] relocated from the subdivision.
[5:31:36] My wife and I fell in love with
[5:31:39] the neighborhood 22 years ago.
[5:31:39] There was a horse farm in the
[5:31:44] bryson substation on hoadley
[5:31:44] road.
[5:31:44] Obviously things have changed
[5:31:48] quite a bit over the years.
[5:31:49] We couldn't handle the
[5:31:54] congestion and frustrations of
[5:31:55] the friday traffic alone, let
[5:31:56] alone all the other development
[5:31:57] proposals.
[5:32:06] We relocated to montclair.
[5:32:07] High density growth in a small
[5:32:07] congested sector is not
[5:32:08] intelligent, well-planned
[5:32:14] development.
[5:32:15] The result is a plethora of
[5:32:15] danger and safety concerns
[5:32:16] together with environmental and
[5:32:18] quality-of-life issues.
[5:32:18] The building codes developers
[5:32:25] must abide by.
[5:32:26] Although your transportation
[5:32:27] code sound accurate, I have to
[5:32:34] wonder about the practicality.
[5:32:35] When the population quadruples
[5:32:36] in the same two lanes on the
[5:32:37] road network, something is
[5:32:38] definitely wrong.
[5:32:39] All this suggests the primary
[5:32:44] emphasis is on tax revenue and
[5:32:45] appeasing the interest of one
[5:32:46] group over the betterment of
[5:32:52] all.
[5:32:53] Thank you very much.
[5:32:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:32:55] before we get to the next
[5:32:56] speaker want to call up my next
[5:32:56] group.
[5:32:56] Doctor jack, andrew
[5:32:59] , nancy and
[5:33:01] julie
[5:33:16] .
[5:33:16] All right.
[5:33:23] You MAY proceed to.
[5:33:24] >> Public Speaker: I'm clancy
[5:33:25] phenol lakewood occoquan civic
[5:33:29] association.
[5:33:30] In occoquan district.
[5:33:31] I been in the same house since
[5:33:32] 1973.
[5:33:40] More than three months.
[5:33:41] Five minutes, right?
[5:33:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:33:43] if you get the five minutes
[5:33:46] then doctor jack can't get it.
[5:33:47] >> Public Speaker: you get that
[5:33:47] then.
[5:33:49] He will give you the history
[5:33:50] .
[5:33:51] I served on the comp plan
[5:33:52] committee and I served on the
[5:33:57] csm committee.
[5:34:07] We tried to protect occoquan,
[5:34:08] our drinking water, all that
[5:34:09] you and all that everybody in
[5:34:10] this room other than those of
[5:34:13] you who are on a well.
[5:34:14] That's our legacy to protect
[5:34:15] it.
[5:34:21] And not overburdening the river
[5:34:22] with inappropriate developments
[5:34:26] .
[5:34:26] We are putting in an urban
[5:34:30] center in the middle of our
[5:34:32] so-called rural area
[5:34:32] .
[5:34:37] I have a question.
[5:34:38] The staff said they are going
[5:34:38] to try to get trees preserved,
[5:34:39] but I didn't hear the county
[5:34:44] arborist made any sense that
[5:34:45] you could have trees where you
[5:34:51] could clear cut everything.
[5:34:52] I know we worked with ridge
[5:34:53] development for years trying to
[5:34:54] retain as many trees as we
[5:34:55] could in lake rachael and that
[5:34:56] is why you have trees there,
[5:35:00] but the fact of the matter is
[5:35:00] when 1/4 acre lot you can save
[5:35:06] some trees
[5:35:06] .
[5:35:07] On this thing there's no way
[5:35:08] you would have trees anywhere
[5:35:10] except in the buffer and they
[5:35:20] don't want to have a buffer.
[5:35:21] Needs to have as much buffering
[5:35:21] as possible.
[5:35:22] MAY be a golf cart path between
[5:35:23] the development and shopping
[5:35:24] centers of people who can't
[5:35:33] carry poorer buybacks can hop
[5:35:34] in their golf cart like they do
[5:35:35] in florida and drive down there
[5:35:36] and go shopping in the shopping
[5:35:39] center.
[5:35:39] We need, I know we ignore this
[5:35:40] but we need to look at the d
[5:35:45] csm to say what kind of
[5:35:46] development standards do we
[5:35:47] want.
[5:35:48] Fairfax county has done not we
[5:35:49] have not.
[5:35:49] Our stop is way behind the
[5:35:54] curve trying to preserve the
[5:35:55] occoquan reservoir is a
[5:35:55] drinking water source.
[5:35:56] Thank you.
[5:36:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:36:05] next speaker.
[5:36:06] >> Public Speaker: good evening
[5:36:07] MADAM Chair.
[5:36:08] I wanted to wish you a.
[5:36:09] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:36:19] doctor jack, thank you.
[5:36:20] >> Public Speaker: 11 occoquan
[5:36:21] magisterial district.
[5:36:22] Wanted to welcome george
[5:36:24] stewart and wish you the best
[5:36:25] for holidays and new year
[5:36:27] ahead.
[5:36:28] Would like to ask for five
[5:36:35] minutes.
[5:36:36] I don't know if I need it.
[5:36:37] I served on the original
[5:36:39] committee over 15 years ago
[5:36:45] when we recommended to be
[5:36:47] created.
[5:36:51] We had high hopes but we were
[5:36:57] very much gratified to see this
[5:36:58] happen with the 2022 comp plan.
[5:37:00] Was wonderful but we don't
[5:37:11] have something like an
[5:37:12] ordinance that could
[5:37:13] institutionalize some of the
[5:37:14] things one would expect.
[5:37:15] I would like us to collectively
[5:37:19] think about that what we might
[5:37:24] do to move in that direction to
[5:37:27] have guidance, text and stuff
[5:37:32] that would have expectations
[5:37:33] for performance.
[5:37:38] That would be very helpful in
[5:37:39] our decision-making process
[5:37:41] moving forward to.
[5:37:42] And currently the site is a
[5:37:44] very heavily wooded site.
[5:37:50] It's only 23.4 acres and when
[5:37:51] it came into the belt
[5:37:54] committee, we do what we
[5:38:01] normally do.
[5:38:01] Extend are welcome to the
[5:38:02] applicant we try to be as
[5:38:06] objective as we can.
[5:38:08] We work in the guidance of the
[5:38:12] former german for 23 years and
[5:38:14] he would say hey guys
[5:38:22] , what if
[5:38:23] the board approves the project
[5:38:24] any misgivings you walk away or
[5:38:27] do you continue the dialogue.
[5:38:28] His recommendation was always
[5:38:28] continue the dialogue.
[5:38:31] walk away.
[5:38:34] We did meet with the applicant
[5:38:37] more than once.
[5:38:42] The last time was JULY 31.
[5:38:43] The committee had mixed
[5:38:44] feelings about this high
[5:38:46] density
[5:38:46] .
[5:38:47] We weren't enthusiastic for the
[5:38:52] project we had mixed feelings
[5:38:53] for a lot of the high density
[5:38:53] in
[5:38:57] the area.
[5:38:58] But we understand when the
[5:38:59] transportation solutions to
[5:39:05] move hoadley road westerly
[5:39:10] occurred, and set up a major
[5:39:15] network all the way it is the
[5:39:19] root 234 and set up the growth
[5:39:20] and development patterns for
[5:39:20] developers
[5:39:27] .
[5:39:28] B& a part of the normal result
[5:39:29] you see with the developers
[5:39:32] coming in looking at the comp
[5:39:38] plan in here you have the mu3
[5:39:59] and comp plan for mu3 and at
[5:40:00] the higher end.
[5:40:01] I just want to say we support
[5:40:01] element in here that try to
[5:40:02] provide for green space,
[5:40:03] continued green space along the
[5:40:03] parkway.
[5:40:04] The 50 foot buffer along the
[5:40:05] parkway, we fully support that.
[5:40:06] We were talking about the
[5:40:06] pedestrian walkway there
[5:40:07] , but
[5:40:09] that was taken out and we
[5:40:12] understand having the full 50
[5:40:17] foot buffer.
[5:40:18] Of the planning commission
[5:40:20] there was much discussion
[5:40:23] regarding the 30 foot buffer to
[5:40:24] integrate it with amenities
[5:40:29] along the property line is a
[5:40:32] good idea, but you have the
[5:40:34] backs of the shopping center
[5:40:41] that need more buffering so I
[5:40:42] think staff recommendation to
[5:40:43] look at beefing that up is a
[5:40:43] reasonable one
[5:40:47] .
[5:40:48] We should take that only got it
[5:40:53] more carefully and see what
[5:40:53] could be done there to improve
[5:40:55] it.
[5:41:02] We are asking for stormwater we
[5:41:03] have a proffer which we
[5:41:05] supported and we would like to
[5:41:05] encourage dialogue with the
[5:41:17] applicant for controls
[5:41:17] ,
[5:41:18] including things later on we
[5:41:18] will see applications on the
[5:41:21] reservoir.
[5:41:22] That would to be a very good
[5:41:22] thing.
[5:41:23] And so with that we are
[5:41:29] comfortable offering those
[5:41:32] suggestions thank you very
[5:41:38] much.
[5:41:39] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:41:39] thank you.
[5:41:44] Next speaker.
[5:41:47] >> good evening.
[5:42:10] Can you hear me okay?
[5:42:11] Good evening chair
[5:42:12] jefferson and
[5:42:12] supervisors.
[5:42:13] My name is nancy and I'm the
[5:42:13] occoquan resident.
[5:42:14] I've lived in the county for 38
[5:42:14] years.
[5:42:15] I'm come tonight to ask you to
[5:42:16] vote no to the maple grove
[5:42:17] project for the reasons for
[5:42:18] denial have been eloquently
[5:42:19] expressed by the previous
[5:42:19] speakers.
[5:42:19] Y main issue is
[5:42:20] the potential impact on the
[5:42:21] occoquan reservoir in our
[5:42:22] drinking water.
[5:42:22] The other issues are traffic,
[5:42:23] the impact of schools and the
[5:42:25] overall environmental impact
[5:42:25] .
[5:42:26] For the record I am requesting
[5:42:27] you deny the hoadley square
[5:42:28] project for the same reasons.
[5:42:29] Please protect the occoquan
[5:42:29] ,
[5:42:30] the water I drink in the water
[5:42:34] that 800,000 people drink in
[5:42:35] this region.
[5:42:38] Thank you.
[5:42:39] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:42:44] I have a couple more people.
[5:42:45] I will call up MR. Richard as
[5:42:56] well and nathan higgins.
[5:42:58] >> good evening.
[5:43:07] Can you hear me?
[5:43:07] Can you hear me?
[5:43:08] Okay, great.
[5:43:09] My name is julia and I am in
[5:43:10] the occoquan district
[5:43:10] .
[5:43:15] I am a resident here and have
[5:43:16] been disappointed to hear this
[5:43:21] type and development is coming
[5:43:21] into this area.
[5:43:23] I moved here specifically
[5:43:26] because I somehow green and
[5:43:28] protected the area was.
[5:43:33] I saw there was the put in
[5:43:34] place and how that felt that
[5:43:36] was a great sign for the
[5:43:38] community to show they take
[5:43:41] their watershed seriously, they
[5:43:47] want to protect the trees and I
[5:43:48] would really like this area was
[5:43:51] protective of the reason.
[5:43:52] Have been very disappointed to
[5:43:57] see the projects will chip away
[5:44:02] at the protections given
[5:44:02] .
[5:44:05] Our houses off of the well
[5:44:05] .
[5:44:09] Worried about drinking water.
[5:44:10] Thinking all the issues that
[5:44:13] would come from not having a
[5:44:16] house with water.
[5:44:17] That is something that keeps me
[5:44:24] up at night.
[5:44:25] It sounds like this area for
[5:44:26] maple grove, even though it is
[5:44:27] technically not in the orpa it
[5:44:30] will have impacts which is
[5:44:35] definitely where hoadley square
[5:44:40] is planning to go.
[5:44:40] I've seen the plans, it seems
[5:44:43] 80 percent covered in concrete.
[5:44:44] But the big buildings in the
[5:44:47] parking lots and I'm very
[5:44:52] concerned about the storm water
[5:44:52] runoff.
[5:44:53] And so I would request that if
[5:44:54] there is some kind of
[5:44:56] development here to greatly
[5:44:59] reduce it to look at having
[5:45:02] something that is required to
[5:45:04] have the four houses per acre
[5:45:08] .
[5:45:09] Something, I believe some
[5:45:11] dimension before some kind of
[5:45:15] trade-off that is not the same
[5:45:17] requirements but it could be a
[5:45:24] transition period location.
[5:45:32] Also worried about the traffic
[5:45:33] everything is going from what
[5:45:33] I've been able to see in and
[5:45:34] out of galveston.
[5:45:38] Road in the is going to be for
[5:45:41] the very dense communities
[5:45:43] adding all the extra cars
[5:45:51] trying to get on to hoadley.
[5:45:58] I also live in the hoadley area
[5:45:59] and can imagine how we would be
[5:45:59] able to reach principal and
[5:46:02] parkway again.
[5:46:02] I appreciate your time.
[5:46:06] I urge you to vote no
[5:46:09] .
[5:46:10] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:46:22] next speaker, please.
[5:46:23] >> good evening board, chair
[5:46:23] jefferson!
[5:46:23] My name is andrew.
[5:46:24] I live in the occoquan
[5:46:25] district.
[5:46:27] I move from fairfax county to
[5:46:28] hoadley behind the mosque.
[5:46:31] Our whole desire was to get
[5:46:32] away from the high density, the
[5:46:36] high-traffic and to seek peace
[5:46:38] .
[5:46:49] I highly recommend you vote no
[5:46:50] and the type space area.
[5:46:51] And for the reasons is high
[5:46:51] density.
[5:46:52] This is meant for an easy
[5:46:52] transit is all the other
[5:46:55] speakers it is not easy transit
[5:46:56] to get to 95 and to 66.
[5:46:57] You are putting these people
[5:46:59] everyone is arguing for I do
[5:47:02] more of a disadvantage in the
[5:47:03] strength of the infrastructure
[5:47:06] on the occoquan district.
[5:47:07] That creates a domino effect of
[5:47:11] taxpayers pay more taxes to
[5:47:16] increase the bus infrastructure
[5:47:16] and if the metro made it this
[5:47:17] far, anything like that versus
[5:47:19] keeping intact the way it is
[5:47:20] and we say develop and improve
[5:47:21] the district
[5:47:21] .
[5:47:24] Select another area.
[5:47:31] On the schools, all they offer
[5:47:31] is rezoning.
[5:47:32] As of today of four first grade
[5:47:39] classes, for second grade at
[5:47:39] mass convexity 21.
[5:47:40] He developed the new homes and
[5:47:41] you are bringing in new younger
[5:47:42] families, what do you think
[5:47:42] that will impact?
[5:47:43] Rezoning will not solve the
[5:47:44] problem so infrastructure once
[5:47:45] again not sustainable.
[5:47:48] Taxes go up.
[5:47:49] We talked about from prince
[5:47:50] william county within five
[5:47:53] years fairfax county people not
[5:47:54] be able to live in the county
[5:47:57] because of the property tax
[5:47:58] because it was poor planning
[5:48:00] infrastructure and starting to
[5:48:02] fall apart again.
[5:48:03] To take into consideration the
[5:48:04] community being developed as we
[5:48:06] speak.
[5:48:07] There are 1015 homes be
[5:48:08] developed that would create
[5:48:14] 5000 more trips per day and
[5:48:15] that is on a standard two-car
[5:48:15] household.
[5:48:19] Many have kids who drive, and
[5:48:20] laws to live with us and so
[5:48:22] increase that number.
[5:48:27] As we talked about the effects
[5:48:27] of maple grove, it does not
[5:48:29] fall on orpa but it would
[5:48:34] affect the 800,000 people that
[5:48:36] that water system provides
[5:48:36] .
[5:48:37] With in my neighborhood we have
[5:48:40] all wells in the houses so when
[5:48:51] you start developing that close
[5:48:52] to our development we will
[5:48:53] start impacting our water
[5:48:54] systems which could cost
[5:48:54] anywhere from $10-$30,000 to
[5:48:55] have a well wheeled we drilled.
[5:48:56] I say do not approve this
[5:48:56] project.
[5:48:57] I am all for development.
[5:49:01] Dear company developed cannibal
[5:49:03] in fairfax and oakton view
[5:49:04] which is more along the lines
[5:49:05] of our occoquan area and so I
[5:49:06] recommend those types of
[5:49:08] projects.
[5:49:09] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:49:12] thank you.
[5:49:20] Next speaker, please.
[5:49:21] >> Public Speaker: my name is
[5:49:21] richard welsh,
[5:49:22] occoquan district
[5:49:22] .
[5:49:25] For the barrington oaks
[5:49:36] neighborhood.
[5:49:36] I do want to be too repetitive.
[5:49:37] I want to add my voice or do
[5:49:38] new to deny the application.
[5:49:42] The traffic impacts will be
[5:49:43] horrendous, the environment
[5:49:44] will impact will be horrendous
[5:49:46] .
[5:49:50] And concerned about the aquifer
[5:49:50] levels.
[5:49:53] I don't have to predrill that
[5:49:53] well.
[5:49:57] I shouldn't have to.
[5:49:58] Think this is just too high
[5:49:59] dense of a project
[5:50:01] .
[5:50:09] The density is a requirement
[5:50:09] location to change.
[5:50:09] F
[5:50:10] location changes or stays, the
[5:50:15] density should change.
[5:50:16] I urge you to support smart
[5:50:17] development rather than
[5:50:18] automatic piece by piece
[5:50:18] ,
[5:50:24] applicant by applicant
[5:50:25] development and take a holistic
[5:50:25] view.
[5:50:26] And you will come to the
[5:50:27] conclusion this should be
[5:50:28] denied until it is amended
[5:50:32] meaningfully.
[5:50:33] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:50:38] next speaker, please.
[5:50:39] >> Public Speaker: can you hear
[5:50:44] me?
[5:50:50] Can you hear me?
[5:50:51] My name is nathan higgins., and
[5:50:52] the occoquan district and I am
[5:50:55] make student charles k cogan
[5:50:55] high school.
[5:50:58] I represent the students.
[5:50:59] What I can tell you is the
[5:51:02] students and teachers all think
[5:51:05] the same pictures too much
[5:51:09] traffic and it's already 40
[5:51:14] percent overcapacity.
[5:51:15] With all the parents I've
[5:51:16] spoken to a lot of people
[5:51:18] bought properties in the area
[5:51:19] specifically to go there and I
[5:51:21] can tell you on top of that
[5:51:23] live in the lost creek.
[5:51:25] Trying to take a left out
[5:51:27] .
[5:51:28] Just turned 18 recently
[5:51:33] .
[5:51:34] It's difficult to take a left
[5:51:34] turn out if I want to go
[5:51:36] anywhere.
[5:51:37] Have to take a right turn in a
[5:51:38] u-turn
[5:51:42] .
[5:51:42] Even when I take a right turn
[5:51:47] it takes for ever.
[5:51:48] For me to get to the school in
[5:51:52] the morning, if you go down
[5:51:53] hoadley and you try to take a
[5:51:55] left to get to cogan in the
[5:52:01] morning it takes about 30
[5:52:02] minutes if you're waiting at
[5:52:03] that light.
[5:52:11] Hoadley can simply not handle
[5:52:12] anymore cars and also as a
[5:52:13] future virginia taxpayer the
[5:52:14] residence I would love to live
[5:52:20] your for the rest of my life, I
[5:52:20] can tell the am extremely
[5:52:21] concerned with the increased
[5:52:22] property taxes that MAY be
[5:52:23] imposed because of this
[5:52:24] development.
[5:52:31] I think, and most people that
[5:52:32] are students who want to live
[5:52:33] here would oppose of this plan
[5:52:34] so therefore I would like to
[5:52:34] vote no.
[5:52:42] We should want our children to
[5:52:43] stay in this area for a longer
[5:52:43] period of time.
[5:52:44] That's what virginia wants is a
[5:52:45] state
[5:52:45] .
[5:52:46] I think this would be a huge
[5:52:49] mistake.
[5:52:49] Received the rest of my time.
[5:52:52] Thank you.
[5:52:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:52:57] I'm going to move to remote
[5:52:58] part of this public hearing.
[5:53:01] Supervisor bailey?
[5:53:02] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[5:53:03] we have two people.
[5:53:09] Are you ready?
[5:53:09] >> good evening.
[5:53:13] We have nobody speaking for
[5:53:13] this item tonight.
[5:53:14] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[5:53:17] okay.
[5:53:18] No one, MADAM Chair.
[5:53:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:53:20] now going to close the public
[5:53:29] hearing for agenda item 13 day.
[5:53:29] With that I would like to
[5:53:30] applicant restocked if there is
[5:53:34] anything that would respond to.
[5:53:37] Do one question because maple
[5:53:38] valley grove, is that in the
[5:53:40] orpa?
[5:53:41] Can somebody come and say that.
[5:53:46] For the record
[5:53:46] .
[5:53:56] Turn on the microphone.
[5:53:56] >> my name is.
[5:53:57] [Name] And with the applicant.
[5:53:58] This property is not located in
[5:53:58] the orpa.
[5:54:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:54:03] thank you so very much.
[5:54:04] If there's anything else you
[5:54:05] heard from public hearing that
[5:54:09] you would like to respond to?
[5:54:10] >> I wanted to address the
[5:54:11] gentleman last a comment
[5:54:25] regarding the colgan high
[5:54:25] school concerns.
[5:54:26] The trenton rd., star study has
[5:54:27] taken a look at the entire
[5:54:28] corridor from prince william
[5:54:29] pkwy. All the way to dumfries
[5:54:29] road and that includes the
[5:54:30] dumfries and colgan in the
[5:54:32] section as part of the area we
[5:54:33] are studying for improvement as
[5:54:33] well.
[5:54:34] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:54:35] thank you very much.
[5:54:37] Anything else?
[5:54:38] >> I wanted to follow up.
[5:54:39] There were a lot of comments on
[5:54:40] transportation so I thought it
[5:54:41] would be helpful to answer some
[5:54:43] of those.
[5:54:44] For the traffic impact
[5:54:45] analysis, we are required to
[5:54:45] look at future traffic which
[5:54:51] was a two percent growth rate
[5:54:52] per year which matches what the
[5:54:53] county as seen a growth rate in
[5:54:54] this area and it required us to
[5:55:02] look at the full buildout of
[5:55:02] dorrell nor pickett assume the
[5:55:04] full buildout per special use
[5:55:04] permit application but the
[5:55:09] traffic impact analysis is
[5:55:09] reviewed by vdot in prince
[5:55:11] william county transportation
[5:55:12] and ultimately accepted by
[5:55:22] vdot.
[5:55:22] The star study is looking at
[5:55:23] regional improvement and so
[5:55:24] kevin mentioned it again.
[5:55:25] It is from the intersection of
[5:55:26] prince william pkwy. All the
[5:55:28] way down to dumfries and it is
[5:55:29] looking at a long-term solution
[5:55:30] for transportation
[5:55:36] improvements.
[5:55:36] Goes out to 2055 to make sure
[5:55:37] whatever solution is proposed
[5:55:38] that can handle future growth
[5:55:38] in traffic.
[5:55:39] We heard a lot of comments
[5:55:40] regarding transit
[5:55:46] .
[5:55:47] There is an omni ride transit
[5:55:47] hub on galveston.
[5:55:52] That has two routes.
[5:55:53] The first row or one of them is
[5:55:54] the best way to say it, is
[5:55:57] between the stop and commuter
[5:55:57] garage at stonebridge which
[5:56:00] also has stops along the way to
[5:56:03] other commuter park and ride
[5:56:03] lots.
[5:56:04] He other stop goes from
[5:56:08] the site to the vred, the
[5:56:10] woodbridge vre
[5:56:11] .
[5:56:16] That also has stops along the
[5:56:17] way.
[5:56:17] One of the things they wanted
[5:56:18] to make sure was that they
[5:56:19] would still have their transit
[5:56:22] hub and that this project would
[5:56:28] not impact that.
[5:56:29] I also heard comments regarding
[5:56:30] galveston being the only way
[5:56:30] out.
[5:56:31] The applicant is part of the
[5:56:33] impact analysis looked at this.
[5:56:34] That intersection operates at a
[5:56:36] level of service in the A.M.
[5:56:46] And in the P.M. In the future
[5:56:47] without the project on the
[5:56:47] levels of service remain the
[5:56:49] same and in the future with the
[5:56:49] project the levels of service
[5:56:50] remain the same.
[5:56:52] In the event hoadley square is
[5:56:53] approved, there is a street
[5:56:54] grid network and interpersonal
[5:56:56] connectivity that allows for
[5:57:03] access on queens chapel road.
[5:57:04] And there wasn't one more
[5:57:07] wanted to hit as it related to
[5:57:08] stormwater management and
[5:57:08] impacts to the well
[5:57:08] .
[5:57:13] We are not near any wells or
[5:57:14] septic fields but we are
[5:57:17] providing 55 percent open space
[5:57:18] and public water, which would
[5:57:19] allow recharge and removes
[5:57:30] demand on the aquifer
[5:57:31] .
[5:57:32] We also drain north with the
[5:57:33] drainage divide between the
[5:57:33] sites and west of hoadley.
[5:57:35] This wheels are characterized a
[5:57:35] slow infiltration and high
[5:57:36] water table so there would not
[5:57:41] be in the impact of the wells.
[5:57:41] And I think I hit all of them
[5:57:42] but if not I'm sure you will
[5:57:43] ask me question.
[5:57:44] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:57:45] I have a quick question.
[5:57:46] You were talking about
[5:57:46] transportation a and b.
[5:57:47] >> I'm sorry?
[5:57:48] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:57:49] you are mentioning
[5:57:49] the routes.
[5:57:57] The timetables.
[5:57:58] >> when you do a traffic impact
[5:57:59] analysis you have to look at
[5:58:00] various intersections and you
[5:58:02] look at the levels of service
[5:58:03] .
[5:58:03] Each one of the levels of
[5:58:04] service have a letter grade
[5:58:05] associated with it.
[5:58:05] That is a
[5:58:09] through f. Look at the levels
[5:58:12] of service and it's based on
[5:58:13] how long you at the traffic
[5:58:14] signal waiting so what is that
[5:58:16] timing?
[5:58:17] The goal is the level of
[5:58:21] service remains the same.
[5:58:22] If they degrade to come up as a
[5:58:23] mitigation measure that you
[5:58:25] look to do.
[5:58:26] For the intersection of
[5:58:28] galveston and hoadley road, the
[5:58:34] antique hour period, that
[5:58:35] assumes the worst case scenario
[5:58:36] for traffic is your peak.
[5:58:39] The A.M. Peak is a level of
[5:58:42] service and the P.M. Peak is a
[5:58:43] level of service c and that
[5:58:53] remains the same level of
[5:58:54] service in the future with the
[5:58:55] project and then the future
[5:58:55] without the project.
[5:58:56] We are not degrading the levels
[5:58:57] of service on galveston and
[5:58:58] hoadley road.
[5:58:59] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[5:58:59] thank you so very much.
[5:59:03] Supervisor boddye?
[5:59:03] Hold on.
[5:59:08] Before we go on
[5:59:08] .
[5:59:08] I'm sorry.
[5:59:09] I asked the people while they
[5:59:13] are here please observe decorum
[5:59:13] so that we can continue this
[5:59:17] meeting moving forward.
[5:59:17] >> Kenny Boddye: scott, were
[5:59:18] you going to stand up and say
[5:59:24] something?
[5:59:25] >> I want to point out big
[5:59:26] picture that this is, in the
[5:59:27] comprehensive plan it is a
[5:59:32] suburban tampa development.
[5:59:33] This is not an urbanized
[5:59:33] development pattern.
[5:59:34] Mu3 is kind of in the middle.
[5:59:40] I want to point that out.
[5:59:40] It is a long major corridor.
[5:59:41] We have a course the major
[5:59:42] intersection there
[5:59:51] .
[5:59:51] This is not a t5, t6, t7.
[5:59:52] I just want to point that out.
[5:59:59] they are at the higher density,
[6:00:00] but that is permissible be of
[6:00:01] the comprehensive plan.
[6:00:01] This is very suburban.
[6:00:02] The pattern is a suburban type
[6:00:03] of development.
[6:00:06] What is challenging as you have
[6:00:07] orpa and they have intact trees
[6:00:08] but you have a major shopping
[6:00:15] center and on the other side on
[6:00:16] the south side you have a lot
[6:00:17] of other rooftops and surfaces.
[6:00:18] I want to give the general
[6:00:20] perspective that this is as
[6:00:21] urban suburban type development
[6:00:27] pattern.
[6:00:28] >> Kenny Boddye: if I could
[6:00:28] follow up on that, thank you.
[6:00:29] I don't know if it will be you
[6:00:30] or someone else on the planning
[6:00:32] team, provide this was
[6:00:33] recommended by planning staff
[6:00:40] to be in the comp plan.
[6:00:40] >> good evening.
[6:00:46] David from the planning office.
[6:00:47] This is an opportunity with the
[6:00:48] retail shopping center to
[6:00:53] create a mixed use community.
[6:00:53] The mu3 provides that.
[6:00:58] It is not high density
[6:00:58] .
[6:01:02] It's a medium density.
[6:01:07] Loser opportunities to provide
[6:01:08] mixed-use walkable communities
[6:01:09] with a mix of uses
[6:01:09] .
[6:01:09] The retail is lacking the
[6:01:16] housing to support the retail
[6:01:17] .
[6:01:17] We need to develop these types
[6:01:18] of places so that people can
[6:01:20] live near where they work and
[6:01:23] shop.
[6:01:25] Also, the transit is they are
[6:01:30] .
[6:01:31] In the comprehensive plan when
[6:01:32] we aligned the transect, in
[6:01:33] this case it is a transect
[6:01:35] three with the type of transit
[6:01:36] available to that served by
[6:01:50] that when you need transit
[6:01:51] support identities as well in
[6:01:52] order for transit to be
[6:01:52] working.
[6:01:53] Hopefully that answers your
[6:01:53] question.
[6:01:54] >> Kenny Boddye: it does.
[6:01:55] Into quick ones if you don't
[6:01:55] mind.
[6:01:58] Thank you for that.
[6:01:59] I appreciate your context to
[6:01:59] their grounding us and what mu3
[6:02:02] looks like and not being a
[6:02:02] suburban type place.
[6:02:05] Can you talk about this being
[6:02:06] on the edge of the government
[6:02:09] center activity center.
[6:02:13] And this obviously didn't
[6:02:14] happen when you recommended
[6:02:14] this but now that we have a
[6:02:18] master space master plan for
[6:02:19] the government center, how did
[6:02:20] those in her play with each
[6:02:26] other.
[6:02:26] >> again we want to live near
[6:02:27] where we work.
[6:02:28] Also, the opportunity for
[6:02:30] affordable housing in the
[6:02:31] location and the like tech
[6:02:42] development is essential to
[6:02:42] providing not only the housing
[6:02:44] that the people who work in the
[6:02:44] area can afford, but that is
[6:02:45] going to be near where they
[6:02:46] work.
[6:02:47] With the development of an
[6:02:48] increase in the government
[6:02:54] center in the jobs in that
[6:02:55] area, there is a need for
[6:02:56] additional housing nearby to
[6:03:03] support that workforce.
[6:03:04] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:03:05] thank you very much.
[6:03:07] I don't see anyone else.
[6:03:08] Supervisor boddye.
[6:03:08] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you've
[6:03:12] met him to.
[6:03:13] I'm not going to go on too long
[6:03:14] before I make the motion but I
[6:03:15] wanted to thank everyone in the
[6:03:16] community who came out today
[6:03:16] .
[6:03:16] Obviously a lot of folks
[6:03:24] concerned
[6:03:26] .
[6:03:27] You live off of purcell, you
[6:03:28] live right near where the
[6:03:28] property lines are for the
[6:03:29] site.
[6:03:29] I hear you traffic in the area
[6:03:30] can be challenging given some
[6:03:32] of the unique uses such as
[6:03:35] darnell norberg between the
[6:03:38] star study we are looking to
[6:03:41] address a lot of the concerns
[6:03:48] .
[6:03:49] When they put the projects they
[6:03:49] don't rise out of the ground
[6:03:51] immediately built it takes time
[6:03:52] to build a projects and all the
[6:03:53] other things which gives us
[6:03:56] time to work with vdot and the
[6:03:57] transportation department.
[6:03:59] That it said
[6:04:02] , I want to move we
[6:04:06] do 13 a for approval.
[6:04:07] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:04:12] motion improperly seconded.
[6:04:13] Supervisor boddye.
[6:04:14] >> Kenny Boddye: here concerns
[6:04:14] about traffic in schools and
[6:04:15] the pace of change.
[6:04:23] Growth pressures a real and the
[6:04:24] choices and growth versus no
[6:04:25] growth.
[6:04:25] Can be coordinated with
[6:04:26] transmission services jobs or
[6:04:27] whether we push it outwards and
[6:04:28] of our middle impact
[6:04:29] countywide.
[6:04:29] For the folks following the
[6:04:32] comp plan as it involved they
[6:04:33] were originally was supposed to
[6:04:37] be a proposed just north a
[6:04:39] bacon race.
[6:04:40] Advocated for that to be taken
[6:04:45] out there is also a proposal in
[6:04:46] a request to have the delaney
[6:04:47] track up zoned
[6:04:47] .
[6:04:48] i fought against that that was
[6:04:49] down soon.
[6:04:54] To me this is a culmination
[6:04:55] pushing everything to where it
[6:04:55] belongs which is near the
[6:04:56] shopping center, near the
[6:04:57] government center, near the
[6:04:58] implement centers
[6:04:59] .
[6:05:00] One of my constituents talked
[6:05:02] about first responders.
[6:05:09] There is a public safety center
[6:05:10] north of davis ford road in the
[6:05:10] parkway.
[6:05:11] That would be expanded with the
[6:05:14] county master plan.
[6:05:15] We had a robust conversation
[6:05:21] about that last week.
[6:05:22] If you did not tune then I
[6:05:22] invite you to do so.
[6:05:23] Over the next 20 years the
[6:05:26] government center will be built
[6:05:27] out in a modern robust
[6:05:27] employment center which will
[6:05:33] host double digits dozens of
[6:05:34] county agencies that would be
[6:05:35] hundreds of employees those
[6:05:37] people will need the places to
[6:05:38] live.
[6:05:38] O me this is where this
[6:05:39] goes because no matter whether
[6:05:42] you are a social worker, a
[6:05:43] planner, environment, teacher
[6:05:44] corps you work in the shopping
[6:05:46] center
[6:05:48] , he doesn't have a place
[6:05:48] to live close to where you
[6:05:49] work.
[6:05:50] So for those reasons I support
[6:05:51] this
[6:05:53] .
[6:05:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:05:55] all right.
[6:06:01] Hold on.
[6:06:01] I have never had to clear board
[6:06:04] chambers.
[6:06:05] All right.
[6:06:06] I'm going to say this.
[6:06:08] We can disagree
[6:06:08] .
[6:06:20] we have had a law of
[6:06:21] disagreement.
[6:06:21] We have had a lot of
[6:06:22] disagreements over this board,
[6:06:23] but I do not want outbursts.
[6:06:24] I want people to be able to
[6:06:24] speak.
[6:06:25] I want people to have their
[6:06:34] comments
[6:06:36] , but I also want
[6:06:36] respect.
[6:06:37] For some of the frequent flyers
[6:06:38] who come to a lot of these
[6:06:38] meetings.
[6:06:39] I see doctor jack shaking his
[6:06:39] head.
[6:06:40] We don't agree on everything,
[6:06:40] we listen.
[6:06:43] Going to ask there be more no
[6:06:44] more outbursts.
[6:06:46] I know tensions are high, but
[6:06:47] I'm going to respectfully ask
[6:06:48] that there be no outbursts.
[6:06:51] If there is I will clear out
[6:06:56] the chambers
[6:06:57] .
[6:06:57] I don't want to have to do
[6:06:58] that.
[6:06:58] I've never done that before and
[6:06:59] I really don't want to have a
[6:07:00] first time for everything.
[6:07:01] So I'm asking for everyone who
[6:07:05] is here to please adhere to the
[6:07:06] decorum we established in the
[6:07:14] board room.
[6:07:14] Supervisor vega?
[6:07:15] >> Yesli Vega: first off I want
[6:07:16] to thank the citizens who
[6:07:16] showed up.
[6:07:19] I noticed a law of coles
[6:07:20] residence redistricting did
[6:07:21] happen at one point.
[6:07:22] The proposals on the agenda for
[6:07:26] tonight were in fact in the
[6:07:28] district so I know the concerns
[6:07:33] we raised are not just tonight
[6:07:34] but over the course last for
[6:07:34] years.
[6:07:38] Want to think county staff for
[6:07:39] all of their work for the
[6:07:40] applicant as well for making
[6:07:41] themselves available to any
[6:07:42] questions I did have.
[6:07:43] The reality is I understand the
[6:07:46] frustration.
[6:07:47] A sound like a broken record
[6:07:48] saying we continue to put the
[6:07:51] cart before the horse we
[6:07:52] continue to approve projects
[6:07:53] what we have lagging
[6:07:57] infrastructure and in some
[6:07:58] cases we MAY even argue its
[6:07:59] crumbling infrastructure.
[6:08:00] We keep talking about studies
[6:08:01] in 20 years from now, but the
[6:08:04] reality is the things we are
[6:08:05] approving now are only going to
[6:08:15] make the challenges we face
[6:08:16] here today much greater.
[6:08:17] Want to make sure nobody leaves
[6:08:18] chambers feeling like their
[6:08:19] concerns aren't valid, because
[6:08:19] they absolutely are.
[6:08:25] I commend the young man who
[6:08:27] cannot hear and spoke.
[6:08:28] We need invoices to continue to
[6:08:29] do the thing you did here today
[6:08:29] because education is a very
[6:08:30] powerful tool in the more you
[6:08:32] know about what is happening in
[6:08:32] your community, the more
[6:08:33] impactful and viable your
[6:08:33] change will be.
[6:08:34] I commend you for being here
[6:08:37] tonight and I encourage you to
[6:08:38] not be discouraged and continue
[6:08:43] to stay engaged.
[6:08:44] For those who MAY feel the vote
[6:08:45] is not going to go their way, I
[6:08:47] continue to ask you to stay
[6:08:47] engaged because that's what we
[6:08:48] need.
[6:08:57] We need lines of communications
[6:08:58] and they are always going to be
[6:08:58] open.
[6:08:59] I will echo with the chair said
[6:08:59] about decorum.
[6:09:01] We MAY agree to disagree, but
[6:09:02] at the end of the day respect
[6:09:03] carries the way and so without
[6:09:03] the of our middle concerns have
[6:09:05] been raised
[6:09:06] , the additional
[6:09:08] strains on schools within
[6:09:08] rates, additional concerns
[6:09:09] about traffic have been raised.
[6:09:10] I do want it drag this out but
[6:09:14] they are valid concerns this
[6:09:15] board has to look closely as we
[6:09:16] move forward and continue to
[6:09:30] approve these projects and ask
[6:09:30] ourselves are really making
[6:09:31] communities better or are we
[6:09:32] just giving him explanations,
[6:09:34] long explanations trying to
[6:09:35] justify our votes.
[6:09:35] I think the county residents
[6:09:36] are very knowledgeable.
[6:09:37] And they are tired of it and at
[6:09:38] some point we have to start
[6:09:39] doing things differently.
[6:09:44] And so I will not be supporting
[6:09:46] this application tonight for
[6:09:46] the concerns raised the
[6:09:47] planning commission hearing.
[6:09:47] Some concerns haven't been
[6:09:48] addressed about I understand
[6:09:54] county staff is recommending
[6:09:55] approval, but I take issue with
[6:09:56] that because they've raised a
[6:09:57] lot of concerns and things they
[6:09:58] are not happy yet with, yet we
[6:09:58] are recommending another
[6:09:59] project forward.
[6:10:01] I want to be very clear with
[6:10:02] the time I have left.
[6:10:02] We keep hearing folks being
[6:10:10] opposed to projects in the
[6:10:11] current form they are being
[6:10:11] presented.
[6:10:12] Not being opposed to
[6:10:14] development, which is a clear
[6:10:15] distinction that needs to be
[6:10:15] made.
[6:10:16] People are not opposed to
[6:10:17] growth, people are not opposed
[6:10:17] to development.
[6:10:18] What people are opposed to get
[6:10:20] frustrated with time and time
[6:10:21] again as we have proposals
[6:10:22] being brought before the
[6:10:39] governing body that can without
[6:10:40] a shadow of a doubt be made
[6:10:41] better and that is not
[6:10:41] happening.
[6:10:42] I don't think that is a fair
[6:10:43] request our constituents are
[6:10:44] demanding of their elected
[6:10:45] representatives and I hope we
[6:10:46] can do better by the wishes of
[6:10:47] the people who elected us and
[6:10:47] put us in the seats.
[6:10:49] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:10:49] supervisor bailey.
[6:10:50] >> Andrea Bailey,
[6:10:50] Vice Chair:
[6:10:50] thank you MADAM Chair.
[6:10:51] I want to thank the citizens
[6:10:52] that came out tonight.
[6:10:52] That shows you care.
[6:10:53] I got distracted on I apologize
[6:10:54] to you because I am proud of
[6:11:00] the young man in his dapper
[6:11:00] suit with his curly hair.
[6:11:01] His book extremely eloquent
[6:11:05] about how he felt about the
[6:11:06] community and I commend you for
[6:11:06] that.
[6:11:06] I have a son.
[6:11:13] Much older than you.
[6:11:14] I am proud of you as he speaks
[6:11:14] over his community as well.
[6:11:16] You need to continue to do that
[6:11:17] and you are an example of what
[6:11:18] we are trying to do on this
[6:11:25] dais we want you to come back
[6:11:26] and live here want to go to
[6:11:26] college.
[6:11:27] We want you to come back here
[6:11:28] and work here once you finish
[6:11:29] college.
[6:11:29] We want you here because this
[6:11:30] is your community.
[6:11:33] The lot of the things we deal
[6:11:37] with on this dais are very old
[6:11:39] .
[6:11:40] 20, 30 years old.
[6:11:40] I'm speaking to you because I
[6:11:42] want you to understand that.
[6:11:43] Part of what is happening and
[6:11:48] when we make these decisions,
[6:11:49] sometimes favorable, sometimes
[6:11:50] not so favorable is education.
[6:11:57] We need to educate the
[6:11:57] community and bring the
[6:11:58] community along with what we
[6:11:59] are doing.
[6:12:10] That has not been done in a
[6:12:10] very long time.
[6:12:11] Having you stand at the podium
[6:12:12] voice your opinion is critical
[6:12:13] because you are engaging.
[6:12:14] You are engaging in what is
[6:12:14] going on right now.
[6:12:23] You can speak about a 20 or 30
[6:12:24] years from now and you can give
[6:12:25] the history about it.
[6:12:25] We had to inherit the history.
[6:12:26] And so with that I want to
[6:12:26] say
[6:12:27] education continually in the
[6:12:28] wonderful place called prince
[6:12:29] william county is so important
[6:12:29] .
[6:12:30] People want to live, work and
[6:12:31] play here.
[6:12:31] They want to.
[6:12:32] Military people want to stay
[6:12:38] here once they retire whatever
[6:12:38] that looks like.
[6:12:39] How do we make it better.
[6:12:42] And we need to collaborate to
[6:12:42] make it better.
[6:12:43] The other thing I want to say
[6:12:48] is today staff and developer
[6:12:49] working through this project,
[6:12:52] you work really hard making it
[6:13:00] the best that you could.
[6:13:01] It's not about giving into the
[6:13:01] developer.
[6:13:05] It is about how can we have
[6:13:06] policies and procedures we have
[6:13:09] to live with and work with and
[6:13:11] make a good for the citizens
[6:13:11] .
[6:13:15] Again, I'm proud of you because
[6:13:18] you are an example of what
[6:13:19] should have been done 20 or 30
[6:13:20] years ago.
[6:13:22] To the citizens
[6:13:23] , thank you for
[6:13:24] your voices
[6:13:27] .
[6:13:28] Thank you for saying exactly
[6:13:37] how you felt about it.
[6:13:37] I would ask you, help us work
[6:13:38] together to educate each other.
[6:13:47] There is a lot of history that
[6:13:48] we are dealing that is old, old
[6:13:49] infrastructure.
[6:13:49] A lot of old stuff.
[6:13:50] And doctor jack, you know that
[6:13:51] big thank you for coming out
[6:13:52] tonight to thank you for the
[6:13:53] developer worked with the
[6:13:53] staff.
[6:13:53] Long hours.
[6:13:54] Ust thank you.
[6:13:55] I will be supporting this
[6:13:56] because we need housing and we
[6:13:59] can't get around that.
[6:14:08] We need you to explain to us
[6:14:09] what does that look like.
[6:14:10] But it has to happen.
[6:14:10] Doctor jack, you know that.
[6:14:11] Thank you MADAM Chair for this
[6:14:14] moment.
[6:14:15] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:14:16] supervisor stewart?
[6:14:23] >> George Stewart: look, I
[6:14:23] support everything everybody
[6:14:25] has said appeared.
[6:14:28] Especially supervisor vega and
[6:14:30] even supervisor bailey.
[6:14:37] And also supervisor boddye.
[6:14:37] We do need housing.
[6:14:38] We do need housing close to
[6:14:39] where people live.
[6:14:42] But this project is not ready
[6:14:44] for prime time.
[6:14:48] 50 foot buffer fail,
[6:14:52] environmental concerns fail.
[6:15:01] School concerns fail.
[6:15:07] Those are things that need to
[6:15:08] be fixed and you came here not
[6:15:09] ready.
[6:15:15] You came you not ready.
[6:15:15] I also agree with supervisor
[6:15:20] boddye that we do need places
[6:15:21] close to where people live,
[6:15:24] work and play.
[6:15:27] In places more so that they can
[6:15:30] afford
[6:15:31] .
[6:15:31] Affordability is a problem in
[6:15:32] the county.
[6:15:35] MR. Higgins, I appreciate you
[6:15:37] being here.
[6:15:41] I was you 40 years ago.
[6:15:44] Well, not yet.
[6:15:47] But exactly 40.
[6:15:48] At your age I was coming to
[6:15:52] these meetings dressed just
[6:15:52] like that.
[6:16:01] I appreciate that.
[6:16:02] And I really need the concerns
[6:16:07] that the staff has called upon
[6:16:18] these things to be fixed.
[6:16:19] Like supervisor boddye say,
[6:16:20] this is a going to just sprout
[6:16:21] out the ground tomorrow in
[6:16:22] lincoln a cartoon it's going to
[6:16:23] be there.
[6:16:23] Hi need these things to be
[6:16:24] fixed
[6:16:28] .
[6:16:29] The community needs these
[6:16:35] things to be fixed.
[6:16:36] People want to be treated
[6:16:36] fairly.
[6:16:39] People want to be heard
[6:16:39] .
[6:16:40] People want the tax money they
[6:16:44] are paying to be utilized in a
[6:16:51] fashion that reflects them
[6:16:55] .
[6:17:00] Because of the location I am
[6:17:04] going to support this project,
[6:17:09] however, there are things going
[6:17:13] to be breathing down staffs
[6:17:14] neck about all the way until
[6:17:15] the first shovel is in the
[6:17:16] grown.
[6:17:16] And you should to be aware of
[6:17:18] that.
[6:17:21] This is not good.
[6:17:23] This is a bad haircut.
[6:17:24] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:17:30] supervisor vega
[6:17:31] .
[6:17:32] >> Yesli Vega: a question for
[6:17:32] the county attorney.
[6:17:33] For clarification purposes, is
[6:17:35] this board committed are under
[6:17:38] the same pressure with the
[6:17:38] timing component of this
[6:17:44] application?
[6:17:44] >> the board has one year to
[6:17:45] act unless the applicant
[6:17:47] waives.
[6:17:48] And I am not sure when the
[6:17:54] application was filed.
[6:18:04] MAY of 24.
[6:18:05] So it has been more than a
[6:18:05] year.
[6:18:06] >> Yesli Vega: this board has
[6:18:07] to take action today?
[6:18:08] >> MS. Roble: I would recommend
[6:18:14] the board take action.
[6:18:15] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:18:15] nothing else?
[6:18:16] Before no thank you.
[6:18:17] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:18:18] does anyone else wish to speak
[6:18:18] on this?
[6:18:21] All right.
[6:18:22] Let's go ahead and take our
[6:18:22] vote.
[6:18:24] Spoke supervisor angry?
[6:18:26] >> Victor Angry: yes.
[6:18:33] >> thank you.
[6:18:34] Motion passes 7/1 supervisor
[6:18:35] vega voting no.
[6:18:37] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:18:40] on the right.
[6:18:40] Thank you so very much.
[6:18:43] The attorney has asked for a
[6:18:44] brief recess and I will grant
[6:18:47] that.
[6:18:47] We have 10 minutes and then
[6:18:49] everyone please come back if
[6:20:57] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:21:00] we are back.
[6:21:01] Going to ask everyone to find a
[6:21:01] seat and we are going to start
[6:21:10] with the applicant
[6:21:10] .
[6:21:11] I'm going to let everyone know
[6:21:12] we are going to combine the
[6:21:13] presentation and the public
[6:21:14] hearings 413 b and c. The
[6:21:21] applicant will present the cpa
[6:21:21] as well as the rezoning.
[6:21:22] The county will give their
[6:21:23] presentation and then I will
[6:21:29] open up the public hearing.
[6:21:29] Thank you.
[6:21:29] You can proceed.
[6:21:30] >> good evening turned
[6:21:32] jefferson to members of the
[6:21:33] board.
[6:21:33] For the record my name is
[6:21:34] jonelle cameron with walsh
[6:21:35] colucci, lou bly and walsh.
[6:21:36] Here with me tonight on behalf
[6:21:43] of jr real estate group by the
[6:21:44] applicant, our civil
[6:21:45] engineering team,
[6:21:46] transportation team and
[6:21:46] environmental team to answer
[6:21:47] any questions that you all MAY
[6:21:52] have.
[6:21:53] As a roadmap we are going to
[6:21:54] walk through the property
[6:21:55] location, land use and zoning,
[6:21:56] the proposal which includes
[6:21:57] open space and buffers,
[6:21:58] amenities, transportation we
[6:21:58] will then end with 3d exhibits
[6:21:59] to show you how the development
[6:22:05] will look in a very brief video
[6:22:06] that walks through the
[6:22:06] development.
[6:22:13] The applicant is a contract
[6:22:14] purchaser of eight parcels and
[6:22:15] is seeking encumbrance a plan
[6:22:16] amendment onto the parcels in a
[6:22:20] rezoning and all of the
[6:22:20] properties.
[6:22:21] The property is a little less
[6:22:22] than 58 acres in size.
[6:22:25] Here is william parkway and
[6:22:32] here is hoadley road.
[6:22:32] The property is currently zoned
[6:22:33] a-1 agriculture and sr one semi
[6:22:37] rural residential
[6:22:37] .
[6:22:38] It is comprehensively planned
[6:22:39] mixed-use 3, residential
[6:22:42] neighborhood 2 in orpa occoquan
[6:22:44] resource protection area.
[6:22:48] The proposal proposal is a
[6:22:49] conference a plan amendment to
[6:22:54] designate the entire property
[6:22:54] is mixed-use 3 and a rezoning
[6:23:01] to planned mixed residential.
[6:23:02] The applicant is seeking that
[6:23:02] comprehensive plan amendment on
[6:23:08] the parcels here.
[6:23:09] The applicant has conducted
[6:23:10] significant community outreach
[6:23:19] and based on feedback the
[6:23:19] proposal has changed.
[6:23:20] What you see on the screen is
[6:23:21] the initial proposal.
[6:23:22] The original proposal included
[6:23:23] 434 two units that include a
[6:23:24] multifamily stacked unit here,
[6:23:25] townhome units here and here,
[6:23:31] duplex units here, to
[6:23:32] multifamily buildings here in a
[6:23:33] community center to be open to
[6:23:44] the public here.
[6:23:44] This slide shows the final
[6:23:45] proposal based on input from
[6:23:45] the community.
[6:23:47] The applicant is proposing 279
[6:23:47] residential units.
[6:23:48] 265 are single-family attached
[6:23:51] units because he will know as
[6:23:52] townhomes and 14 are duplex
[6:23:53] units.
[6:23:57] 28 will be a dus.
[6:24:01] The applicant is now proposing
[6:24:05] -- inclusive areas defined as
[6:24:07] er po and there are around
[6:24:11] eight dwelling units per acre
[6:24:12] if you exclude the b3 portion
[6:24:18] in this area here.
[6:24:18] Access will be from galveston
[6:24:23] court here are
[6:24:23] , right in right
[6:24:24] out access from hoadley road
[6:24:26] here and access from a new
[6:24:28] public road public road a I
[6:24:29] will go into further detail
[6:24:39] with you on in this area here.
[6:24:40] This slide shows the rear
[6:24:41] loaded townhome elevation!
[6:24:41] He
[6:24:41] applicant is seeking
[6:24:42] modifications of the width of
[6:24:53] the townhomes to allow for 16
[6:24:54] foot townhomes that allow for
[6:24:55] seven townhomes in a row.
[6:24:55] N
[6:24:56] increase in height 45 feet to
[6:24:57] allow for rooftop terraces and
[6:24:58] a reduction in the minimum
[6:24:59] setback for roof decks,
[6:25:00] students, landings and similar
[6:25:01] features in a reduction of the
[6:25:01] minimum footprint for the
[6:25:10] townhomes.
[6:25:10] This slide is an illustrative
[6:25:12] of the duplex the applicant is
[6:25:13] seeking modifications to
[6:25:13] decrease the minimum lot area
[6:25:24] to 39 hundred square feet and
[6:25:25] reduce the lot with to 38 feet.
[6:25:26] In MAY 2024 the board initiated
[6:25:26] the comprehensive plan
[6:25:28] amendment at the request of the
[6:25:29] applicant to change the
[6:25:34] designation to mixed-use 3. At
[6:25:35] the time of the initiation
[6:25:35] planning staff recommended
[6:25:40] approval with for the
[6:25:41] regulations you on the see on
[6:25:41] the screen.
[6:25:42] The first was to provide a
[6:25:49] minimum of 60 percent open
[6:25:50] space in the area is currently
[6:25:51] designated as orpa pick the
[6:25:52] second recommendation was to
[6:25:54] provide a minimum of 60 percent
[6:25:57] undisturbed area within that
[6:26:04] open space.
[6:26:05] The applicant was encouraged to
[6:26:06] preserve preservation of a
[6:26:07] natural buffer or existing
[6:26:09] woodland or forestation area of
[6:26:10] 50 feet along each side of all
[6:26:16] significant non-rpa streams
[6:26:16] ,
[6:26:17] and the applicant was asked to
[6:26:18] commit additional measures to
[6:26:19] improve water quality to the
[6:26:21] occoquan river watershed.
[6:26:22] With this application the
[6:26:24] applicant has met or exceeded
[6:26:26] the county recommendations in
[6:26:27] the comprehensive plan.
[6:26:30] The
[6:26:34] total of 56 percent of the
[6:26:35] entire site is open space pick
[6:26:39] the applicant is preserving 64
[6:26:40] percent of the area designated
[6:26:41] as open space.
[6:26:47] In addition the applicant is
[6:26:48] preserving 65 percent of that
[6:26:53] open space as undisturbed.
[6:26:54] That's a little less than eight
[6:26:55] acres the applicant exceeded
[6:26:55] the county requirement will
[6:27:05] request to commit to 60 open
[6:27:06] space within the area
[6:27:06] designated as orpa and to
[6:27:07] preserve 60 percent of that
[6:27:07] open space.
[6:27:08] He applicant is
[6:27:10] providing 20 foot buffers along
[6:27:11] hoadley road.
[6:27:13] A 30 foot buffer adjacent to
[6:27:15] dorrell nor
[6:27:19] , 50 foot buffers
[6:27:19] adjacent to the residential and
[6:27:24] 30 foot buffers that will be
[6:27:26] undisturbed adjacent to the
[6:27:26] residential neighborhood tear
[6:27:29] and 50 foot buffer adjacent to
[6:27:34] prince william parkway.
[6:27:35] The next regulation was to
[6:27:36] encourage the applicant to
[6:27:43] provide a 50 foot buffer next
[6:27:44] to non-rpa streams pick the
[6:27:44] applicant was able to
[6:27:45] accomplish that in most areas
[6:27:49] except for the area here in the
[6:27:50] area here.
[6:27:54] The area here is where the
[6:27:55] storm water management facility
[6:27:55] is.
[6:27:58] There was a cultural resource
[6:28:01] found on the site that is going
[6:28:02] to be retained in undisturbed
[6:28:04] and because of that the
[6:28:08] applicant is unable to relocate
[6:28:09] the storm water management
[6:28:13] facility to the east so that's
[6:28:14] why they were able to commit to
[6:28:15] a full 50 foot buffer in this
[6:28:18] area here in this area is for
[6:28:20] they enter personal connection
[6:28:23] to maple valley grove and the
[6:28:32] road network.
[6:28:33] The applicant has proffered
[6:28:34] several proffers as a relates
[6:28:35] to environmental protections
[6:28:36] within the occoquan watershed.
[6:28:41] The applicant permitted to an
[6:28:41] area designated as orpa pick
[6:28:44] the applicant committed to
[6:28:45] construct a sediment basin at
[6:28:47] the very beginning of the very
[6:28:51] development of preconstruction
[6:28:51] and essentially what this does
[6:28:56] is it allows for there to be
[6:28:57] additional mitigation treatment
[6:28:59] during construction
[6:28:59] .
[6:29:00] Normally you wouldn't put in
[6:29:01] the settlement basins and so
[6:29:05] there is a concern some of the
[6:29:06] erosion would go into the
[6:29:08] water.
[6:29:11] From a stormwater management
[6:29:12] perspective, the applicant
[6:29:13] proffered low impact
[6:29:18] development in the area
[6:29:19] .
[6:29:20] The applicant also proffered to
[6:29:20] not purchase any off-site
[6:29:25] nutrient credits to comply with
[6:29:26] water quality requirements.
[6:29:27] And to my knowledge this is the
[6:29:27] only time this has been
[6:29:29] proffered.
[6:29:30] The applicant also proffered a
[6:29:31] reduction in phosphorus by 60
[6:29:33] percent.
[6:29:35] The county
[6:29:36] , they do not have a
[6:29:41] zoning ordinance as to how you
[6:29:43] develop in the orpa area.
[6:29:47] Fairfax duns in fairfax has a
[6:29:50] similar area with the occoquan
[6:29:51] and these recommendations are
[6:29:52] proffers came from what fairfax
[6:29:58] requires and so for example, in
[6:29:59] fairfax phosphorus reduction
[6:30:02] load is a minimum of 50 percent
[6:30:04] to the applicant proffered a
[6:30:08] minimum of 60 percent higher
[6:30:09] than what the requirement is in
[6:30:11] fairfax.
[6:30:14] In the next few slides I will
[6:30:15] review the amenities proposed
[6:30:20] on site.
[6:30:21] This slide shows the linear
[6:30:22] park, the dog park, the garden
[6:30:26] and reflection park.
[6:30:27] This slide here shows another
[6:30:28] border park.
[6:30:30] The central look community park
[6:30:42] is gated in this area here and
[6:30:43] then we also have the pony
[6:30:43] park, arrowhead trailhead and
[6:30:44] community garden.
[6:30:46] And the applicant originally
[6:30:47] proposed the application, that
[6:30:49] trailhead was in this area as
[6:30:50] well and it looped around.
[6:30:54] Based on feedback from the
[6:30:54] community they wanted the trail
[6:30:57] moved further away from the
[6:30:58] development and the applicant
[6:31:01] agreed to do that, which is why
[6:31:02] you see the trail in the
[6:31:08] location that it is today.
[6:31:09] This slide shows overall
[6:31:10] transportation note and
[6:31:12] network.
[6:31:13] As part of the proposal the
[6:31:15] applicant is required to
[6:31:16] conduct a traffic impact
[6:31:16] analysis
[6:31:20] .
[6:31:21] Required to look at the five
[6:31:22] intersections on the screen.
[6:31:25] Again, the required to look at
[6:31:26] the existing levels of service,
[6:31:30] what are the levels of service
[6:31:31] in the future without you
[6:31:32] development including a two
[6:31:33] percent growth rate per year as
[6:31:34] well as unapproved projects
[6:31:36] which include the dorrell nor
[6:31:41] expansion project.
[6:31:42] They were then required to look
[6:31:43] at what at the levels of
[6:31:44] service in the future winter
[6:31:49] project, the two percent growth
[6:31:50] rate in the dorrell nor
[6:31:51] expansion and they are required
[6:31:51] to look at it in the future
[6:31:53] assuming maple valley grove was
[6:32:06] also approved.
[6:32:07] All of the intersections
[6:32:08] operated at acceptable levels
[6:32:09] of service except for the
[6:32:10] intersection of prince william
[6:32:20] parkway and hoadley road.
[6:32:21] That intersection in the left
[6:32:22] movement here is a failing
[6:32:22] movement.
[6:32:23] Vdot kicked off the star study
[6:32:23] which looks at the corridor
[6:32:24] from prince william pkwy.,
[6:32:25] hoadley road and davis ford
[6:32:26] road all the way down to the
[6:32:27] intersection of hoadley and
[6:32:28] dumfries.
[6:32:28] That's designed to look at the
[6:32:33] future development and any
[6:32:34] improvements that need to be
[6:32:35] made to account for growth.
[6:32:37] The applicant has proffered
[6:32:41] over $71,000 for an interim
[6:32:41] improvement at this
[6:32:46] intersection.
[6:32:47] As part of the proposal the
[6:32:50] applicant is realigning the
[6:32:54] access
[6:32:54] , which is currently
[6:32:55] their access is in this
[6:32:56] location here.
[6:32:58] The applicant is creating
[6:33:07] public road a in this location
[6:33:07] here.
[6:33:08] That removes the offset
[6:33:08] geometry.
[6:33:09] So currently that access is
[6:33:13] offset from queens chapel road.
[6:33:14] This will now align the road.
[6:33:15] It reduces potential conflicts
[6:33:18] and it improves the operational
[6:33:21] efficiency.
[6:33:23] So today the access is an e at
[6:33:32] the intersection with the
[6:33:33] approval on the change did they
[6:33:34] signal it is now a level of
[6:33:37] service be until the delay is
[6:33:39] 48 seconds in the P.M.
[6:33:45] Reduction is 24.8 seconds on
[6:33:46] fridays the reduction is 37
[6:33:50] seconds.
[6:33:51] This slide shows the overall
[6:33:54] connectivity
[6:33:54] .
[6:33:55] There is a transfer station
[6:33:57] today on galveston court.
[6:33:59] The
[6:34:04] prophet a monetary contribution
[6:34:05] for three bus shelters, two on
[6:34:06] galveston court and one on
[6:34:07] hoadley road.
[6:34:08] The applicant also designed the
[6:34:11] state so if in the future on
[6:34:14] the right decides they want a
[6:34:15] stop internal to the site, that
[6:34:18] could be accommodated in this
[6:34:24] area here.
[6:34:25] As we were doing the community
[6:34:26] meetings
[6:34:26] , there were a lot of
[6:34:30] discussions about parking and
[6:34:31] what does parking look like,
[6:34:32] how are you all providing
[6:34:38] parking there are 708 parking
[6:34:38] spaces required.
[6:34:46] The applicant is providing 1124
[6:34:46] parking spaces.
[6:34:47] In addition the applicant
[6:34:48] designed the site so public
[6:34:49] road b can a public parking on
[6:34:49] the site.
[6:34:55] When you're calculating the
[6:34:56] number of parking spaces, the
[6:34:57] county and vdot did not allow
[6:35:03] you to include public street
[6:35:04] parking even though it can be
[6:35:04] used.
[6:35:05] If we were to include the
[6:35:06] public street parking, that is
[6:35:07] an additional 59 spaces so
[6:35:08] that's 1183 spaces.
[6:35:08] Or this
[6:35:13] project the applicant is over
[6:35:13] parked by over 400 parking
[6:35:19] spaces.
[6:35:20] There were comments made at the
[6:35:20] planning commission public
[6:35:22] hearing recommendations from
[6:35:25] staff and the staff report.
[6:35:26] I'm going to briefly review the
[6:35:31] proper revisions made.
[6:35:32] First as part of the project
[6:35:39] there is a b3 land debate.
[6:35:40] Staff wanted us to commit what
[6:35:40] the use would be.
[6:35:41] There were concerns it would be
[6:35:45] a shopping center or some more
[6:35:46] heavily intense commercial use.
[6:35:47] The applicant proffered and
[6:35:55] limited these uses to adult day
[6:35:56] care center, childcare
[6:35:57] facility, event center meeting
[6:35:58] hall, funeral home, office,
[6:35:59] religious institution and/or
[6:36:02] wedding chapel.
[6:36:03] An essential believe those are
[6:36:04] uses compatible with the uses
[6:36:04] dorrell nor has.
[6:36:06] But we wanted to say was one of
[6:36:09] the other uses that would be
[6:36:10] compatible with in a knot
[6:36:12] heavily intense.
[6:36:18] We also heard a lot of
[6:36:19] discussions and concerns from
[6:36:20] the folks who live along lost
[6:36:23] creek rd. Regarding their wells
[6:36:24] what would the development do
[6:36:24] or how would the development
[6:36:27] impact their wells
[6:36:27] .
[6:36:28] The applicant did a proffered
[6:36:29] to do a baseline study of 17
[6:36:32] wells immediately adjacent to
[6:36:35] the property.
[6:36:35] What that means is 60 days
[6:36:37] prior the applicant would send
[6:36:42] a letter to the neighbors
[6:36:42] offering to do a baseline
[6:36:43] study.
[6:36:45] That would test for both
[6:36:46] quality and quantity of the
[6:36:52] water.
[6:36:53] And when they were completed
[6:36:53] the site construction on the
[6:37:03] site offer to do another study
[6:37:04] to confirm that there were no
[6:37:04] impacts to the wells.
[6:37:05] If there is an impact of the
[6:37:06] well the applicant would be
[6:37:07] responsible to repair or
[6:37:08] replace that well.
[6:37:10] This slide shows those
[6:37:10] properties in which the letters
[6:37:13] would go to and are subject to
[6:37:19] that proffered to do that.
[6:37:20] Another change pertained to
[6:37:21] adding the low-impact
[6:37:23] development.
[6:37:24] That was a proffer not included
[6:37:25] that the planning commission
[6:37:27] public hearing, but it was a
[6:37:28] request from doctor jack on
[6:37:31] behalf of lou coppell so the
[6:37:33] applicant made that addition.
[6:37:37] The applicant also providing
[6:37:38] clarity in the credit and
[6:37:40] phosphorus reduction proffers
[6:37:40] as requested by watershed
[6:37:43] staff.
[6:37:47] In the next few slides I have
[6:37:52] aerials
[6:37:53] .
[6:37:54] This is the view from hoadley
[6:37:55] looking toward prince william
[6:37:58] pkwy.
[6:37:59] This is the view from the other
[6:38:01] location and direction.
[6:38:02] This is the right in, right out
[6:38:03] entrance.
[6:38:06] This is the area for the
[6:38:09] central community park.
[6:38:11] This is showing the clubhouse
[6:38:14] in this area here
[6:38:14] .
[6:38:19] And I do have one video I MAY
[6:38:19] need andrea has helped to
[6:38:47] upload.
[6:38:49] [Music]
[6:38:50] Split good evening.
[6:38:52] Gr real
[6:39:01] estate.
[6:39:01] Were challenged to grade a
[6:39:02] sense of place we wanted to pay
[6:39:03] all munch to the chris wood
[6:39:05] family and the horse farms.
[6:39:06] There's a corset theme
[6:39:07] throughout the tack shop, the
[6:39:08] bridle would park as well as
[6:39:08] the trails
[6:39:10] .
[6:39:10] As he will see everywhere as
[6:39:11] part of the development when
[6:39:15] you turn in he will actually
[6:39:16] turn into greenery and it's
[6:39:18] intended to look like that
[6:39:20] .
[6:39:20] As you turn into the site you
[6:39:21] will turn into linear parks
[6:39:23] throughout
[6:39:24] .
[6:39:25] We created a central amenity
[6:39:26] area that would be public
[6:39:27] access so this will be publicly
[6:39:30] accessible not just for the
[6:39:31] community.
[6:39:32] And we called this area
[6:39:33] .
[6:39:34] We are trying to keep the horse
[6:39:35] theme throughout and even the
[6:39:42] trail network within this area.
[6:39:43] In the clubhouse is just for
[6:39:45] the community and it creates
[6:39:46] the place for the community to
[6:39:47] have meeting space and grilling
[6:39:53] areas
[6:39:55] .
[6:39:56] What we did was we took out the
[6:39:57] units because that was what was
[6:39:58] at maple valley road so we can
[6:40:00] create integrated community.
[6:40:01] You different levels and sizes
[6:40:02] of townhomes to create a folder
[6:40:07] community between the
[6:40:08] multifamily, stacked townhomes
[6:40:09] and traditional townhomes.
[6:40:17] As you can see, the streets is
[6:40:17] a grid network.
[6:40:18] We parking everywhere.
[6:40:18] Ven
[6:40:19] the townhomes are rear loaded
[6:40:20] townhomes we purposely did
[6:40:20] that.
[6:40:23] And they have their
[6:40:23] own
[6:40:24] driveway so we could exceed
[6:40:25] parking requirements.
[6:40:26] With multiple playgrounds
[6:40:26] throughout the site.
[6:40:27] We have multiple amenities,
[6:40:28] community garden as well as a
[6:40:35] dog park that is there.
[6:40:36] We also purchased a piece of
[6:40:37] property so we could create the
[6:40:40] connection to the shopping
[6:40:41] center and make sure that's an
[6:40:49] accessible facility.
[6:40:50] Led dog park will be a part of
[6:40:51] that in the pond will be a wet
[6:40:52] pond that is and enticed it
[6:40:52] there.
[6:40:53] So the central park area will
[6:40:55] be publicly accessible and
[6:40:56] maintained by the hoa in the
[6:40:58] community.
[6:41:13] Thank you very much.
[6:41:14] >> the only thing I did not
[6:41:18] mention in my presentation is
[6:41:18] this property here was
[6:41:25] initially purchased to have
[6:41:26] another access point from lost
[6:41:27] creek so they did not have to
[6:41:27] come out at lost creek and
[6:41:28] hoadley.
[6:41:32] Based on feedback from the
[6:41:33] community they did not want the
[6:41:36] access point.
[6:41:37] That access point was removed
[6:41:38] on the applicant has stated
[6:41:41] that house would remain as a
[6:41:45] residential use.
[6:41:45] And I can answer any questions
[6:41:54] you all MAY have.
[6:41:55] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:41:56] I actually have a few I want to
[6:41:57] get started.
[6:41:58] You live in this area or
[6:41:58] nearby?
[6:41:59] >> yes.
[6:42:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:42:01] one of the questions I had
[6:42:02] proposed to me is there is a
[6:42:03] pond in front of where the
[6:42:09] horse farm is.
[6:42:10] Is that part of the neabsco
[6:42:11] creek works is that the
[6:42:13] headwaters?
[6:42:14] >> we do not believe that's the
[6:42:15] headwaters.
[6:42:17] We both are a civil engineer as
[6:42:18] well as the environmental
[6:42:24] consultant look at that.
[6:42:24] We believe it was a pond
[6:42:25] created for the horse farm
[6:42:34] itself.
[6:42:35] And I think I have an image.
[6:42:36] This is the pond being
[6:42:36] referenced today.
[6:42:37] The civil engineer looked and
[6:42:38] there is no evidence that there
[6:42:39] is actually any piping that
[6:42:40] goes from the pond anywhere
[6:42:43] else under the road.
[6:42:44] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:42:46] my next question, there is a
[6:42:48] small piece of land
[6:42:48] .
[6:42:52] Can you tell me
[6:42:53] .
[6:42:53] I have heard concerns it might
[6:42:55] be something not fitting
[6:43:02] say 711 or a retail.
[6:43:03] >> that's an area we proffered
[6:43:11] and I can repeat those uses.
[6:43:12] It is only permitted for an
[6:43:14] adult day care center,
[6:43:16] childcare facility
[6:43:16] , in the
[6:43:20] event or meeting hall, mortuary
[6:43:21] funeral home, office, religious
[6:43:22] institution and/or wedding
[6:43:27] chapel.
[6:43:28] In addition, this piece here
[6:43:30] shall be retained as a
[6:43:37] residential use.
[6:43:38] So when looking out what the
[6:43:39] uses are we looked at what is
[6:43:40] the special use permit and what
[6:43:42] do they have or what can they
[6:43:44] already do so it would be a
[6:43:47] compatible use.
[6:43:48] We did your concern somebody
[6:43:56] thought it could be in
[6:43:57] convenience store or a shopping
[6:43:58] center so we wanted to make
[6:44:01] sure we limited those uses.
[6:44:01] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:44:02] supervisor boddye.
[6:44:03] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you
[6:44:03] janelle.
[6:44:03] Long time no see.
[6:44:05] A couple questions
[6:44:05] .
[6:44:05] Transportation.
[6:44:12] You talked about not only the
[6:44:13] proffers to help enhance the
[6:44:14] bus shelters but also that
[6:44:15] center drive area there can you
[6:44:16] talk more about that the
[6:44:18] conversations we have had
[6:44:20] .
[6:44:23] >> we met with prt see on the
[6:44:31] site and the transfer station.
[6:44:32] They wanted to make sure with
[6:44:33] this project and the other
[6:44:35] project the transfer station
[6:44:35] would be able to be located in
[6:44:40] the vicinity.
[6:44:40] Initially what was proposed is
[6:44:42] that transfer station would
[6:44:45] come into the site.
[6:44:45] Omni ride came back and said we
[6:44:47] don't want it in the site.
[6:44:51] We want to keep it on galveston
[6:44:52] court and we said great, we are
[6:44:55] happy to do that.
[6:44:56] There are not bus shelters
[6:44:56] there so they are proffering
[6:44:59] the monetary contribution to be
[6:45:00] able to construct bus shelters
[6:45:07] where they see fit
[6:45:07] .
[6:45:08] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you for
[6:45:09] that.
[6:45:10] Lets down transportation.
[6:45:11] And you go back to what you're
[6:45:12] talking about our round the
[6:45:15] queens chapel.
[6:45:18] And you repeat what your
[6:45:19] improvements are going to do
[6:45:21] for that intersection in its
[6:45:29] performance?
[6:45:30] >> yes.
[6:45:31] The current access to dorrell
[6:45:31] nor is here.
[6:45:32] that is offset from the
[6:45:33] intersection for the applicant
[6:45:34] is proposing to construct
[6:45:35] public road a cup of it is on
[6:45:36] the side of the property line,
[6:45:40] the other half of it is on the
[6:45:40] squared side of the property
[6:45:41] line.
[6:45:45] What that does is it better
[6:45:47] aligns the intersection
[6:45:50] .
[6:45:52] What it also does is it poles
[6:45:54] people coming from the moss
[6:46:00] further into the site and so
[6:46:01] right now you can come in and
[6:46:01] turn left here or you come
[6:46:05] straight back and turned left.
[6:46:06] What this does is you come in
[6:46:06] and go straight and as a
[6:46:08] designated left turn lane into
[6:46:11] the site so it is pulling
[6:46:12] vehicles further from the
[6:46:13] intersection.
[6:46:15] When we looked at this
[6:46:15] , it's a
[6:46:18] 48 reduction in time that you
[6:46:24] are waiting at that light in
[6:46:25] the pmp cassette 24.8 second
[6:46:29] reduction that you are waiting
[6:46:30] on that line.
[6:46:33] And then on fridays because
[6:46:34] that is the main day for the
[6:46:38] moss, it's a 37 second
[6:46:39] reduction in the delay that you
[6:46:39] are waiting at that
[6:46:40] intersection.
[6:46:40] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate
[6:46:43] that.
[6:46:43] On the slide you have a you
[6:46:46] show it connects all the way to
[6:46:51] galveston.
[6:46:52] What does that do for the
[6:46:53] connectivity and folks
[6:46:53] concerned about the traffic
[6:46:59] around the mosque?
[6:47:00] >> what happens is when you're
[6:47:01] coming out it is controlled by
[6:47:01] the police
[6:47:01] !
[6:47:02] There is a police car here and
[6:47:05] then there are police cars or
[6:47:08] cars here.
[6:47:09] What's happening now as they
[6:47:14] come out during friday's.
[6:47:15] When you come out if you want
[6:47:16] to go back to prince william
[6:47:17] pkwy.
[6:47:20] You are making that you turn
[6:47:22] here which ultimately is a
[6:47:26] delay for people on ross creek
[6:47:27] or webster way trying to make a
[6:47:32] left out of their development.
[6:47:33] What this does is creates a
[6:47:34] street network so what the
[6:47:34] police could do is instead of
[6:47:44] making the u-turn
[6:47:47] , people can
[6:47:48] come down here and come out at
[6:47:49] galveston to make that left so
[6:47:50] it provides another option is
[6:47:51] an opportunity for police when
[6:47:52] they are doing the traffic
[6:47:55] management plan to determine
[6:47:56] the best way to get people back
[6:47:57] to the parkway commitment this
[6:47:58] way it avoids making the u-turn
[6:48:01] movement.
[6:48:02] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you for
[6:48:03] that.
[6:48:03] Ow to move quickly to
[6:48:04] environmental.
[6:48:05] Talked about the parental
[6:48:05] protections in the enhancement
[6:48:06] the applicant is going to be
[6:48:08] doing
[6:48:09] .
[6:48:10] Any talk about the timing as it
[6:48:13] pertains to the storm water
[6:48:14] management, the water
[6:48:15] protections in the delay
[6:48:17] between when you put it in and
[6:48:17] staff is a bit?
[6:48:20] What is being
[6:48:21] reflected in the previous staff
[6:48:25] report?
[6:48:28] >> what is being reflected in
[6:48:29] the previous staff report does
[6:48:33] not have that lad change
[6:48:33] .
[6:48:34] At the planning commission the
[6:48:35] proffers still have the
[6:48:36] nutrient credit in the
[6:48:38] phosphorus reduction.
[6:48:43] What watersheds staff wanted us
[6:48:44] to do was be clear with the 60
[6:48:47] percent meant.
[6:48:48] That's basically a reduction in
[6:48:52] 34 pounds.
[6:48:53] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate
[6:48:53] that.
[6:48:54] I wanted to see if a consultant
[6:48:55] wanted to add anything else to
[6:48:59] the water quality conversation.
[6:48:59] >> matt marshall.
[6:49:00] N the
[6:49:03] engineer for the applicant.
[6:49:04] There are two parts.
[6:49:05] Number one is about the
[6:49:05] settlement basin we are talking
[6:49:08] about.
[6:49:09] We are building a permanent
[6:49:14] pond in phase 1. In lieu of
[6:49:15] billing and settlement trapper
[6:49:16] basin and then building the
[6:49:16] pond.
[6:49:23] So you only have to do it once.
[6:49:24] Minimize the amount of sediment
[6:49:26] that can migrate downstream in
[6:49:27] the permanent pond also has
[6:49:28] tripled the capacity of what it
[6:49:28] would have allowing for more
[6:49:29] storage and settlement
[6:49:30] materials to the bond.
[6:49:32] Number two relative to quality.
[6:49:32] We are deploying treatment
[6:49:33] degree of underground storm
[6:49:35] water management and something
[6:49:41] else we are using called an mtd
[6:49:42] someone referencing them as a
[6:49:42] jellyfish.
[6:49:44] It helps improve the water
[6:49:47] quality, significantly above
[6:49:49] what is required by the minimum
[6:49:49] code and that is what we are
[6:49:50] proposing here.
[6:49:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:49:53] all right.
[6:49:54] To be have anyone else with any
[6:49:55] questions?
[6:49:55] Supervisor vega?
[6:49:59] before can you address some of
[6:50:01] the questions from folks who
[6:50:05] talk about the 60 percent you
[6:50:06] are leaving undisturbed in
[6:50:07] regards to how much of that can
[6:50:09] be built on?
[6:50:10] And if we can pull it up on the
[6:50:11] map
[6:50:15] .
[6:50:16] >> there been questions
[6:50:17] .
[6:50:19] I think supervisor vega what
[6:50:21] you are getting to is our
[6:50:23] limits and development is
[6:50:25] essentially a gray line here in
[6:50:33] the question or comment I thank
[6:50:34] you were getting to is you are
[6:50:34] saving it but you couldn't
[6:50:35] build on that anyways.
[6:50:36] Is that correct?
[6:50:36] >> yes.
[6:50:41] >> so the acreage that we are
[6:50:44] preserving is a little bit
[6:50:47] under 18 acres undisturbed.
[6:50:50] Actual rpa area I believe is
[6:50:51] somewhere in the neighborhood
[6:50:58] of 4 to 6 acres victor is
[6:50:58] actually 12+ acres of
[6:51:00] developable that are going to
[6:51:00] be undisturbed.
[6:51:04] Anomaly undisturbed.
[6:51:05] We have proffered to put them
[6:51:07] in a conservation trust that
[6:51:08] will remain as undisturbed in
[6:51:18] perpetuity.
[6:51:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:51:19] anything else.
[6:51:20] >> Yesli Vega: I think I
[6:51:20] misspoke.
[6:51:21] I think I said 60 acres.
[6:51:22] 60 percent.
[6:51:24] I just wanted to
[6:51:24] correct myself.
[6:51:26] Thank you.
[6:51:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:51:29] I would like to invite the
[6:51:54] county to present.
[6:51:56] >> good evening.
[6:51:59] Case planner for the cpa
[6:52:06] request.
[6:52:06] this is to change long-range
[6:52:09] land use of the property of
[6:52:19] almost 48 acres to mu3.
[6:52:20] Pc recommend denial for this
[6:52:20] case.
[6:52:22] Staff recommends approval of
[6:52:25] the cpa.
[6:52:30] The slideshows existing
[6:52:31] long-range land use and
[6:52:33] proposed for this request.
[6:52:35] As you see
[6:52:37] , the area on the
[6:52:40] north and east side plan for
[6:52:44] orpa in the west side and south
[6:52:47] side are planned
[6:52:47] .
[6:52:51] This slide compares long-range
[6:52:52] land use
[6:52:58] , existing as you see
[6:52:58] ,
[6:53:02] it is plan to protect occoquan
[6:53:02] reservoir by reducing density
[6:53:06] in the area to one dwelling per
[6:53:11] five acres and recommended
[6:53:12] space for the land use up to 60
[6:53:20] percent in the primary use is
[6:53:21] residential.
[6:53:22] And primary use is residential
[6:53:27] and minimum spaces 30 percent
[6:53:34] and density is 1 to 4 dwelling
[6:53:35] per acre.
[6:53:38] For mu3, the primary uses
[6:53:42] residential and commercial and
[6:53:43] office use densities 4 to 12
[6:53:44] dwelling per acre.
[6:53:53] The applicant 90 don't 12 and
[6:54:00] seven dwelling and land baby
[6:54:01] which the residential land with
[6:54:03] a proposal.
[6:54:07] To provide 67 percent 56
[6:54:10] percent open space in the
[6:54:17] rezoning property and also they
[6:54:18] going to build 265 dwelling in
[6:54:20] their application
[6:54:20] .
[6:54:21] 10 percent defined as
[6:54:27] affordable units.
[6:54:28] There are some of this
[6:54:31] application.
[6:54:32] In the proposal includes
[6:54:36] development
[6:54:36] , some alarmingly
[6:54:38] sensitive areas shown here and
[6:54:42] here and they provide a buffer
[6:54:43] as recommended by the board in
[6:54:44] the initiation process.
[6:54:48] The
[6:54:51] applicant also expands the
[6:54:52] request in the zoning and on
[6:54:55] the property which makes
[6:54:56] consistency in the boundary of
[6:55:00] the request
[6:55:01] , the boundary of
[6:55:01] the cpa request and zoning
[6:55:02] request.
[6:55:07] And also, the ad commercial use
[6:55:07] which is not discussed in the
[6:55:11] process and its intense use in
[6:55:18] orpa.
[6:55:24] The applicant provides mix of
[6:55:25] residential housing including
[6:55:25] affordable units
[6:55:28] , addressing
[6:55:31] the county housing needs
[6:55:31] .
[6:55:37] The request also in support
[6:55:38] mixed-use development in the
[6:55:40] area in line at the smart
[6:55:42] growth and policy conference
[6:55:47] and plan the applicant
[6:55:48] committed to preserve to
[6:55:52] provide 60 percent open space
[6:55:53] and protect 60 percent which is
[6:55:57] 36 percent undisturbed in the
[6:56:03] request.
[6:56:05] Staff recommends approval
[6:56:10] .
[6:56:11] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:56:12] does anyone on the dais have
[6:56:19] any questions.
[6:56:20] Supervisor vega
[6:56:23] ?
[6:56:23] ?
[6:56:27] >> Yesli Vega: MR. Cobra
[6:56:32] .
[6:56:33] We didn't hear your name at the
[6:56:34] beginning.
[6:56:36] >> rizo
[6:56:38] .
[6:56:42] >> Ricardo Canizales: okay.
[6:56:43] can you refresh my memory and
[6:56:45] tell me what the primary
[6:56:50] purpose of the orpa is?
[6:56:51] >> to reduce density and have
[6:56:54] one dwelling per five acre to
[6:56:58] protect occoquan reservoir.
[6:57:00] >> wise occoquan reservoir so
[6:57:05] crucial for our county.
[6:57:06] >> the main source of water in
[6:57:13] our county and the main idea
[6:57:14] for orpa is reducing pollution
[6:57:17] in the watershed and also
[6:57:30] manage water with low density
[6:57:30] manage occoquan reservoir.
[6:57:31] >> Yesli Vega: thank you.
[6:57:32] That is all I have for now.
[6:57:33] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[6:57:34] supervisor boddye than bailey.
[6:57:35] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you
[6:57:35] messenger.
[6:57:36] Thank you for your
[6:57:41] presentation.
[6:57:41] Appreciate you.
[6:57:42] You have not been doing this in
[6:57:43] front of the board very long so
[6:57:45] good job so far. You back off
[6:57:46] what supervisor vega asked.
[6:57:51] Because of the unique nature
[6:57:52] why did you decide to require
[6:57:53] in the 60 percent of the
[6:57:56] current area to be undisturbed
[6:58:07] to be open space.
[6:58:07] That 60 percent to be
[6:58:08] undisturbed.
[6:58:08] >> this strategy we wanted to
[6:58:09] mitigate the impact of the
[6:58:10] development by protecting some
[6:58:10] area.
[6:58:11] First for the widening of the
[6:58:14] space and protecting the
[6:58:16] watershed by making them
[6:58:17] undisturbed
[6:58:20] .
[6:58:21] We don't have any authority to
[6:58:24] protect the property owner can
[6:58:25] do what they want to do.
[6:58:32] But my proffering we can better
[6:58:33] management
[6:58:40] .
[6:58:41] >> Kenny Boddye: can you
[6:58:42] complete that in a slightly
[6:58:42] different way?
[6:58:43] We do not have a zoning
[6:58:43] district for orpa.
[6:58:47] Of any protections would be
[6:58:48] able to impose upon them for
[6:58:49] the water supply?
[6:58:53] >> no.
[6:58:55] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate
[6:58:56] that
[6:58:58] .
[6:59:03] As we talked about slopes and
[6:59:04] other things because we talked
[6:59:05] about the level of protections
[6:59:05] that
[6:59:06] the applicant is proposing
[6:59:06] for this.
[6:59:12] Other elements he would like to
[6:59:16] see in future proposals?
[6:59:20] >> I am a member of a resident
[6:59:21] group.
[6:59:27] One of the main concerns is the
[6:59:28] development.
[6:59:32] So I think reducing salt
[6:59:38] pollution in the water is the
[6:59:40] main factor we need to take
[6:59:41] care of
[6:59:45] .
[6:59:46] >> Kenny Boddye: my last
[6:59:47] question goes to looking at
[6:59:50] this more holistically.
[6:59:51] We talked about maple valley
[6:59:52] grove and the connections here
[6:59:53] in the shopping center what
[6:59:57] have you.
[6:59:58] In your opinion, how does this
[6:59:59] make a cohesive area given the
[7:00:00] applicant talked about the fact
[7:00:01] they change their unit mix to
[7:00:04] be a more cohesive holistic
[7:00:04] community?
[7:00:13] >> they protect the northern
[7:00:16] part of the property that has
[7:00:20] more major trees and south of
[7:00:23] the property is planned for
[7:00:27] mainly residential.
[7:00:31] And they are using some area
[7:00:32] and connecting to mu3 this area
[7:00:38] close to commercial park.
[7:00:38] I think this is a good design
[7:00:42] for this development.
[7:00:45] And the location is very close
[7:00:49] to mu3.
[7:00:52] And helps to have a mixture
[7:00:56] development there.
[7:01:00] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you.
[7:01:01] >> tonya washington planning
[7:01:02] director.
[7:01:03] I just wanted to add in looking
[7:01:06] at the bigger context, I think
[7:01:06] that's the question you are
[7:01:07] asking about.
[7:01:12] This area, I don't know if it's
[7:01:13] in the presentation but in the
[7:01:15] previous one when you saw the
[7:01:20] mu3 areas, essentially they are
[7:01:21] so directed toward prince
[7:01:22] william pkwy. And hoadley road.
[7:01:25] This is essentially a site
[7:01:26] extension of that but it is
[7:01:29] including
[7:01:29] , if you also consider
[7:01:34] the 60 percent of that area and
[7:01:35] does open space it's creating a
[7:01:37] cluster development closer to
[7:01:39] the roads.
[7:01:40] And so it is sort of building
[7:01:44] off of the mu3 focus closer to
[7:01:47] the prince william pkwy.
[7:01:47] And the government center
[7:01:48] activity center
[7:01:52] .
[7:01:53] Which is a crossed the major
[7:01:54] intersection.
[7:01:59] It's creating a more cluster
[7:02:00] development around the area but
[7:02:04] with that cpa request still
[7:02:08] preserving the area is open
[7:02:11] space.
[7:02:12] >> Kenny Boddye: very last one
[7:02:14] can you talk about the density
[7:02:17] a crossed hoadley and the
[7:02:20] differences between the density
[7:02:24] a crossed the street and then
[7:02:34] density here at hoadley square?
[7:02:35] >> supervisor boddye, alex from
[7:02:35] the planning office.
[7:02:40] On the other side of hoadley we
[7:02:41] have housing stock as well.
[7:02:41] We do have
[7:02:42] apartments.
[7:02:45] We do have townhouses as well
[7:02:48] as single-family detached.
[7:02:51] This adds to the element.
[7:02:52] In particular this one
[7:02:55] supplements what we have on the
[7:03:03] other side of hoadley road.
[7:03:04] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:03:06] supervisor bailey then vega
[7:03:06] .
[7:03:07] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[7:03:11] thank you MADAM Chair.
[7:03:12] Wanted to ask
[7:03:15] , slide number
[7:03:16] seven
[7:03:20] , the environmental
[7:03:25] commitment.
[7:03:25] .
[7:03:30] Yes, that one.
[7:03:31] Was 60 percent open space about
[7:03:32] 30 percent
[7:03:39] .
[7:03:40] >> 60 percent of that 60
[7:03:43] percent should to be
[7:03:43] undisturbed.
[7:03:46] 60 percent of 60 percent means
[7:03:47] 36 percent
[7:03:53] .
[7:03:54] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice
[7:03:54] Chair:.You.
[7:03:55] And the other question I have
[7:03:58] is where there is an expansion
[7:04:05] of the road by the door eleanor
[7:04:10] piece, we've been talking about
[7:04:10] the last three or four years
[7:04:15] the congestion there.
[7:04:16] Will that additional expansion
[7:04:18] allow for less congestion in
[7:04:27] that area?
[7:04:28] Because I know there is no
[7:04:30] light there.
[7:04:34] >> since we looked at the cpa
[7:04:39] in tandem we recommend is that
[7:04:40] rezoning would have to mitigate
[7:04:43] any impacts to the road
[7:04:53] network.
[7:04:54] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[7:04:54] it helps though?
[7:04:55] >> yes.
[7:04:57] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[7:04:57] the other piece I want to ask
[7:04:58] about, the presentation
[7:04:58] mentioned there was a private
[7:04:59] clubhouse that is a part of the
[7:05:04] project.
[7:05:05] Is there a spot I recall open
[7:05:06] to the public in that area
[7:05:10] also?
[7:05:11] >> supervisor bailey, we still
[7:05:14] have to do a presentation on
[7:05:15] the rezoning application and so
[7:05:15] your question might be to that
[7:05:20] part.
[7:05:21] That combines a plan amendment.
[7:05:22] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I
[7:05:23] will hold it until then.
[7:05:24] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:05:26] supervisor vega
[7:05:26] .
[7:05:27] >> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM
[7:05:31] Chair.
[7:05:34] [Name] And got it right.
[7:05:35] Just as a follow-up to a
[7:05:40] comment
[7:05:41] , what would buy right
[7:05:41] density look like in comparison
[7:05:45] to this project?
[7:05:47] >> comprehensive plan is a
[7:05:49] guideline.
[7:05:52] By right densities is a zoning
[7:05:59] issue.
[7:06:00] And now it is one and they
[7:06:01] request to rezone the property.
[7:06:06] By right it is a one.
[7:06:07] >> Yesli Vega: for later?
[7:06:07] Fair enough.
[7:06:12] I will ask it then.
[7:06:13] But can I have watershed
[7:06:13] management.
[7:06:16] Db have somebody here?
[7:06:17] >> we do.
[7:06:30] We have claymore.
[7:06:31] >> what protects the watershed
[7:06:33] better.
[7:06:38] Development of the sort
[7:06:38] ?
[7:06:39] >> if you look at the intent it
[7:06:40] was meant to reduce
[7:06:41] imperviousness
[7:06:41] .
[7:06:46] and that strategy could be for
[7:06:46] infiltration as well as
[7:06:56] stormwater management.
[7:06:57] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:06:57] does anyone else have
[7:07:00] questions?
[7:07:13] You MAY resume.
[7:07:17] >> hello everyone.
[7:07:21] Case planner of the trenton
[7:07:24] square application
[7:07:24] .
[7:07:28] The hoadley square application
[7:07:29] part of the zoning is located
[7:07:33] north of hoadley road and south
[7:07:41] of the prince william pkwy.
[7:07:42] This is a rezoning application.
[7:07:43] The applicant requests to
[7:07:49] rezone the 57.69 acres to pmr
[7:07:51] planned mixed residential to
[7:07:56] allow for development for
[7:07:57] development of 279 residential
[7:07:59] units
[7:08:02] .
[7:08:03] The zoning of the application
[7:08:11] I'm talking about the boundary
[7:08:12] of the rezoning.
[7:08:12] As mentioned, the boundary of
[7:08:13] the cpa is different from the
[7:08:19] rezoning.
[7:08:20] Most part of the application,
[7:08:21] zoning of the application is a1
[7:08:23] and we have it as r 1 in the
[7:08:27] property located in the rest of
[7:08:30] the project.
[7:08:33] The land use of the application
[7:08:35] is containing of three parts.
[7:08:43] Orpa or in two mu3.
[7:08:44] Again, the property on the
[7:08:48] rezoning application is not a
[7:09:00] cpa request to mu3.
[7:09:01] Following the cpa request to
[7:09:06] change the orpa with mixed use
[7:09:07] neighborhood, the target land
[7:09:12] use is 50 percent to 85 percent
[7:09:17] for residential development and
[7:09:18] 10 percent to 45 percent for
[7:09:21] nonresidential.
[7:09:22] Primary use for single-family
[7:09:24] detached
[7:09:24] .
[7:09:30] implementing zoning district is
[7:09:35] for pmr in the target
[7:09:42] residential density is 20 units
[7:09:43] per acre
[7:09:46] .
[7:09:47] Application for rezoning
[7:09:51] application the applicant
[7:09:51] provides a mixed type
[7:09:54] development.
[7:09:55] This is a development for
[7:09:59] residential and nonresidential
[7:10:05] for 265 townhouse for duplex
[7:10:06] and recreation area.
[7:10:07] On the other hand the applicant
[7:10:13] requests to provide the service
[7:10:14] and the rest of the property
[7:10:20] implementing zoning and provide
[7:10:21] the density and rezoning
[7:10:24] application is eight
[7:10:24] .
[7:10:25] That is completely consistent
[7:10:31] density of the mu3.
[7:10:32] The proposed rezoning is
[7:10:35] consistent with mu3, but the
[7:10:38] proposed designation is a
[7:10:40] nonresidential development is
[7:10:44] not consistent with mu3
[7:10:51] designation.
[7:10:52] To background and summary of
[7:10:53] the development of the
[7:10:56] application.
[7:10:59] The applicant requests 432
[7:11:01] units development
[7:11:05] , just to type
[7:11:05] of houses.
[7:11:12] Multifamily and townhouse.
[7:11:13] And in the second and third
[7:11:14] submission the number of the
[7:11:16] units reduced to 370 in the
[7:11:17] last submission, the number of
[7:11:22] the units to 279 in the
[7:11:26] applicant completely changed
[7:11:27] the multifamily tab the house
[7:11:28] from the application.
[7:11:32] Is means from the first
[7:11:36] application to last, the
[7:11:37] density of the application
[7:11:39] reduced 35
[7:11:42] .
[7:11:42] As I mentioned the application
[7:11:43] is contained on the residential
[7:11:50] development
[7:11:50] .
[7:11:51] Nonresidential development is
[7:11:52] containing in the two parts.
[7:11:55] The applicant requests to onto
[7:11:56] the kiosk and seasonal activity
[7:11:59] in the other proposed
[7:12:00] development in terms of the
[7:12:04] nonresidential development is
[7:12:05] related to the land bay that
[7:12:06] they applicant proffers to
[7:12:11] provide the b3 or retail
[7:12:15] district in land bay d that I
[7:12:17] mentioned is not consistent
[7:12:22] .
[7:12:23] In terms of residential
[7:12:26] development, the application is
[7:12:30] the total 279 units that is
[7:12:38] contained in the 265 townhouse
[7:12:39] and 14 duplex.
[7:12:39] It means 95 percent of the
[7:12:43] units are townhouse and five
[7:12:46] percent of the units
[7:12:51] single-family detached.
[7:12:52] The weakness of the application
[7:12:59] are concerned about the
[7:12:59] application.
[7:13:00] First of all, the first concern
[7:13:01] and weakness of the application
[7:13:04] is related to trafficking.
[7:13:08] Proudly square application is
[7:13:11] close to the mosque
[7:13:14] , school and
[7:13:17] commercial area.
[7:13:21] So closing to this area would
[7:13:23] increase the traffic congestion
[7:13:27] .
[7:13:32] The other concern of the
[7:13:33] application is related to the
[7:13:34] land of a. As I mentioned, the
[7:13:37] applicant proffered to provide
[7:13:38] the nonresidential development
[7:13:43] in this area.
[7:13:44] The applicant proffered and for
[7:13:45] what type of the development,
[7:13:47] but in the exact development on
[7:13:53] the exact purpose of the
[7:13:54] nonresidential didn't detain by
[7:13:57] the applicant.
[7:13:58] so staff needs to have wendy
[7:14:01] dylan information to review the
[7:14:05] type development to review and
[7:14:06] analyze the design standards
[7:14:09] all to ensure all the
[7:14:10] necessaries consistent with
[7:14:18] development regulation
[7:14:18] .
[7:14:19] Staff needs to be consistent
[7:14:20] potential impact of the
[7:14:23] nonresidential development on
[7:14:30] adjacent area.
[7:14:31] School impacted.
[7:14:32] This would confirm that this
[7:14:34] application the future student
[7:14:36] for the future student
[7:14:38] generated but the application
[7:14:40] is not in the space for
[7:14:42] elementary school and high
[7:14:47] school.
[7:14:48] Some of the key points that is
[7:14:51] a string is created the
[7:14:57] conservation of the national
[7:14:57] space the applicant during the
[7:15:02] cpa and rezoning process
[7:15:03] proffers and provides more than
[7:15:07] 60 percent open space and tries
[7:15:13] the best to conserve the orpa
[7:15:13] area.
[7:15:14] The other key point is related
[7:15:15] to multipurpose recreational
[7:15:21] area.
[7:15:21] On this application and
[7:15:22] rezoning application, the
[7:15:23] applicant proposed and
[7:15:27] proffered to provide the area
[7:15:28] like the central community
[7:15:34] park, community garden and
[7:15:34] trained it.
[7:15:34] The other string of the
[7:15:38] application is related to
[7:15:39] proffers to provide the 28
[7:15:43] dwelling units or 10 percent
[7:15:48] for this application and
[7:15:52] project.
[7:15:55] So after we review the
[7:15:56] application with different
[7:15:57] agents
[7:16:00] , staff recommends the
[7:16:00] board community supervisor
[7:16:06] approve rezoning 2024-00 23
[7:16:10] .
[7:16:11] It's great subject to proffers
[7:16:15] dated DECEMBER 01, 2025 for the
[7:16:16] following reasons.
[7:16:18] The rezoning is resistant with
[7:16:19] the long range designation
[7:16:23] except on the western portion
[7:16:24] of the property.
[7:16:29] The applicant and site
[7:16:30] connectivity to meet the
[7:16:31] residence needs applicant
[7:16:35] proffers provide the 10 percent
[7:16:39] or 28 dwelling units in the
[7:16:40] last key point in the
[7:16:43] application for approval is
[7:16:45] related to conservation of the
[7:16:49] existing space and environment
[7:16:52] resource protection proffered
[7:16:58] for conservation easement.
[7:16:59] Thank you for your time and my
[7:17:00] pleasure to answer your
[7:17:02] question.
[7:17:03] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:17:14] thank you so very much.
[7:17:15] >> after the staff report went
[7:17:15] out we received
[7:17:16] revisions to the
[7:17:25] proffers that addressed.
[7:17:27] I know that we showed that is a
[7:17:27] weakness.
[7:17:28] It was a weakness on the
[7:17:28] planning commission and the
[7:17:29] applicant provided us
[7:17:30] clarification because staff
[7:17:35] felt it was important we had
[7:17:36] that.
[7:17:36] The applicant address that.
[7:17:37] I wanted to make that clear.
[7:17:38] Did limit the uses that could
[7:17:42] occur.
[7:17:43] >> kevin, transportation
[7:17:44] planning manager.
[7:17:45] I want to add a clarification
[7:17:46] as well.
[7:17:46] In the time between the staff
[7:17:47] report and tonight, we met with
[7:17:49] the applicant to resolve
[7:18:01] outstanding comments that were
[7:18:02] giving us a little bit of pause
[7:18:04] they were meeting the
[7:18:04] requirement as far as meeting
[7:18:05] the tru result in mitigating
[7:18:05] the
[7:18:06] traffic congestion.
[7:18:07] >> I would like following his
[7:18:07] comments, I would like to have
[7:18:12] it given more information and
[7:18:13] purpose of the nonresidential
[7:18:17] development based on the zoning
[7:18:19] ordinance and section of the
[7:18:19] pmr.
[7:18:27] Every district greater than 15
[7:18:28] should incorporate at least one
[7:18:28] area
[7:18:29] as nonresidential.
[7:18:34] In
[7:18:35] reviewing the application with
[7:18:38] surrounding residential.
[7:18:39] So provided nonresidential
[7:18:39] development
[7:18:43] , that is greater is
[7:18:46] essential for the development
[7:18:52] of the application.
[7:18:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:18:54] on the right.
[7:18:56] Thank you very much
[7:19:06] .
[7:19:07] Does anyone have any questions?
[7:19:08] Going once, going twice.
[7:19:08] All right.
[7:19:09] It is time to open the public
[7:19:09] hearing.
[7:19:12] So I am going to go
[7:19:13] ahead and I'm going to do these
[7:19:15] together for 13 bnc.
[7:19:16] I'm going to open the public
[7:19:18] hearings for both the ask
[7:19:20] people have a seat until I call
[7:19:23] you up.
[7:19:24] Thank you.
[7:19:31] People are so excited to talk
[7:19:32] her what we are going to do
[7:19:33] this because I'm doing these
[7:19:34] both together, whereas it would
[7:19:37] get them in this to speak I
[7:19:37] will give people six minutes.
[7:19:38] If you are an organization
[7:19:43] recognized by the board you get
[7:19:43] up to 10 minutes.
[7:19:44] and again, we can only have one
[7:20:06] person for each organization.
[7:20:07] I'm going to invite people up
[7:20:07] five at a time.
[7:20:08] Please state your name, where
[7:20:09] you live, the magisterial
[7:20:10] district and also make sure we
[7:20:10] can hear you.
[7:20:12] Sometimes we are straining to
[7:20:12] hear people.
[7:20:13] And if you have come out this
[7:20:13] late, you should be heard.
[7:20:14] Wendat I'm going to call him
[7:20:15] martin, delta nichols, larry,
[7:20:16] connie christopher and chris
[7:20:16] cummings.
[7:20:21] You were my first
[7:20:21] five.
[7:20:22] >> can I have the overhead
[7:20:42] projector, please?
[7:20:42] Okay.
[7:20:43] Good evening george avicenna
[7:20:43] members of the board.
[7:20:44] Saint martin from the occoquan
[7:20:45] district and I'm here
[7:20:46] representing an county civic
[7:20:47] associations open like the
[7:20:47] extra time if I could.
[7:20:48] Thank you.
[7:20:49] We want to thank the applicant
[7:20:50] for coming to medco in
[7:20:51] presenting the project of the
[7:20:52] meetings.
[7:20:52] We talk to everybody but more
[7:20:55] importantly we listen to
[7:20:55] everybody.
[7:21:04] We reviewed the project
[7:21:07] .
[7:21:07] There have been changes made
[7:21:08] from response to community
[7:21:08] concerns.
[7:21:09] Nfortunately this
[7:21:10] project has a fatal flaw that
[7:21:10] has been there from the
[7:21:12] beginning and I will go into
[7:21:12] that in a moment.
[7:21:13] Everest want to say medco is
[7:21:14] not imposed other developments
[7:21:15] in the area.
[7:21:27] The kings grove project is one
[7:21:28] we were not opposed to end the
[7:21:29] community did not have
[7:21:30] opposition to that we saw in it
[7:21:30] was generally less impactful
[7:21:31] than something that could have
[7:21:32] been built thereby right.
[7:21:33] Another object medco was not
[7:21:34] available is the dean crossing
[7:21:35] project on the other side of
[7:21:36] the parkway from here.
[7:21:37] That's a 42 unit apartment
[7:21:40] building for 50 percent and
[7:21:41] under of the area median income
[7:21:44] level so it is a low income
[7:21:44] housing project on the
[7:21:45] communities and how much
[7:21:46] opposition to that we saw in
[7:21:48] the belmont gardens project is
[7:21:57] a 55 over community near the
[7:21:58] glen shopping center.
[7:21:59] Again, it was less impactful
[7:22:00] than other projects could have
[7:22:01] been I could've been there in
[7:22:01] the community we didn't see
[7:22:02] much opposition to that.
[7:22:04] This
[7:22:04] one is different.
[7:22:06] We have seen a lot of community
[7:22:06] opposition to it and we are
[7:22:07] opposed to it for that and
[7:22:11] other reasons.
[7:22:12] But first I wanted to start by
[7:22:13] dispelling misrepresentations
[7:22:16] and misunderstandings that have
[7:22:16] been floating around the
[7:22:17] project over the last year or
[7:22:19] so.
[7:22:20] You MAY have heard the boundary
[7:22:24] line is arbitrary and it isn't.
[7:22:25] It is the watershed line and
[7:22:25] you can see that on the map.
[7:22:31] The yellow line that parallels
[7:22:32] that trenton is the watershed
[7:22:32] line.
[7:22:35] The green area is the area and
[7:22:36] that is the occoquan watershed
[7:22:40] on the other side is the
[7:22:45] potomac watershed fed by
[7:22:45] neabsco creek into potomac
[7:22:45] river.
[7:22:46] it is the watershed line and
[7:22:50] another thing that made things
[7:22:54] confused is the fact that the
[7:22:55] previous project was taken out
[7:22:59] so it was
[7:23:00] , it has been said
[7:23:00] that this just a line.
[7:23:01] But two wrongs don't make a
[7:23:04] right when there's a reason for
[7:23:04] the line, it's the watershed
[7:23:07] line.
[7:23:08] That makes sense because it's a
[7:23:11] watershed protection area.
[7:23:12] This is something we heard
[7:23:14] again tonight.
[7:23:15] Some have been seeing doing
[7:23:17] projects with much more
[7:23:20] impervious surface and
[7:23:20] clearcutting of the trees on
[7:23:22] the property is better than
[7:23:28] five acre lots in the orpa
[7:23:29] area.
[7:23:30] I think that violates common
[7:23:34] sense like saying adding
[7:23:35] thousands of vehicles to the
[7:23:36] road is going to improve
[7:23:36] traffic conditions
[7:23:37] .
[7:23:39] These are things that violate
[7:23:41] common sense but it is the
[7:23:42] opinions of our own
[7:23:48] environmental management staff
[7:23:49] as you heard and it is counter
[7:23:50] to the experts we have heard
[7:23:50] from.
[7:23:55] It is also counter to what
[7:23:56] fairfax county has done.
[7:23:57] In the past when they did
[7:23:58] pretty much the same thing with
[7:24:04] the five-acre lot and down
[7:24:05] zoned a large area on their
[7:24:06] side of the occoquan.
[7:24:06] This was 30 or 40 years ago
[7:24:07] that they did not.
[7:24:13] I think it's clear the
[7:24:14] watershed better than covering
[7:24:15] properties with large amounts
[7:24:16] of impervious surfaces
[7:24:17] including large amounts of
[7:24:23] trees.
[7:24:24] as they told you a few minutes
[7:24:24] ago you three factors.
[7:24:25] Groundwater infiltration, storm
[7:24:26] water and nutrient pollution
[7:24:27] runoff
[7:24:28] .
[7:24:29] To some extent you can mitigate
[7:24:32] the last two of those, but the
[7:24:32] infiltration is anything that
[7:24:37] is important that you need
[7:24:37] ,
[7:24:38] especially for the place that
[7:24:38] live on the area which means
[7:24:42] pretty much everybody from
[7:24:43] trenton to the city of manassas
[7:24:45] and from the occoquan reservoir
[7:24:50] to the prince william line.
[7:24:51] These are all well and septic
[7:24:52] and people are worried about
[7:24:54] their water.
[7:24:59] Another reason why it not a
[7:25:00] good idea to start chipping
[7:25:03] away orpa is we don't know what
[7:25:05] the groundwater situation is in
[7:25:08] prince william county.
[7:25:09] The board initiated a
[7:25:13] groundwater study less than a
[7:25:14] year ago in the study will not
[7:25:21] have results for it a year or
[7:25:21] two.
[7:25:22] We don't know what the levels
[7:25:22] of the groundwater are.
[7:25:23] We don't know what the trend is
[7:25:24] we don't know that for a while
[7:25:27] and we have a lot of people on
[7:25:29] well water and we have had some
[7:25:30] antidotal information about
[7:25:32] failing wells.
[7:25:32] We don't know what the
[7:25:34] situation is
[7:25:34] .
[7:25:35] We need to be careful about
[7:25:41] what we do.
[7:25:45] There is not as good protection
[7:25:47] because people could clear cut
[7:25:51] five-acre parcels
[7:25:52] .
[7:25:53] The reality is they don't and I
[7:25:53] can tell you that from
[7:25:54] experience
[7:25:55] .
[7:25:56] We worked on numerous projects
[7:26:02] and what we do is work with the
[7:26:03] developers and we have the lots
[7:26:04] clustered because the five-acre
[7:26:05] recommendation is an average
[7:26:11] .
[7:26:12] The lots are clustered.
[7:26:13] With large amount of open space
[7:26:14] protected with the conservation
[7:26:15] easement and receive most of
[7:26:17] the trees on the parcels
[7:26:17] .
[7:26:18] People aren't going to move to
[7:26:23] the most forested area and
[7:26:24] immediately want to cut their
[7:26:26] trees down.
[7:26:27] It's another thing that doesn't
[7:26:31] make logical sense
[7:26:32] .
[7:26:33] It is just reasons to try to
[7:26:44] make the project seem better.
[7:26:44] If it was better to pave over
[7:26:45] large areas and clear cut the
[7:26:46] trees, there is like washington
[7:26:47] D.C. And baldwin marilyn would
[7:26:49] to be ideal watersheds because
[7:26:50] they use the high-tech
[7:26:51] techniques in the watershed to
[7:26:55] be improved over the natural
[7:26:55] state.
[7:26:56] And I think we all understand
[7:26:56] that's not true for the
[7:27:00] overarching issue is the
[7:27:01] precedence setting part of it.
[7:27:05] The stuff said they do a
[7:27:15] case-by-case basis
[7:27:16] .
[7:27:16] They probably do.
[7:27:17] Maybe they take the blinders on
[7:27:18] approach but I can tell you
[7:27:19] developers don't developers
[7:27:20] look at trends the board has an
[7:27:21] appetite to do.
[7:27:22] As we all know, developers make
[7:27:29] money off of the units per acre
[7:27:30] and that's fine.
[7:27:30] That is what makes our economy
[7:27:32] work.
[7:27:33] But when people are getting
[7:27:34] entitlements to vastly increase
[7:27:41] the density on land and the
[7:27:42] board is okay with that, he
[7:27:43] will get more applications for
[7:27:44] this book anyone who thinks
[7:27:45] it's not a precedent is not
[7:27:46] being realistic.
[7:27:49] The reality of the cpa over the
[7:27:58] last 10 or 15 years
[7:27:58] , the
[7:27:59] majority once they are applying
[7:28:00] two for our approved.
[7:28:01] So the idea this won't be a
[7:28:02] precedent, it's again not just
[7:28:03] with common sense.
[7:28:05] But the good news is on all of
[7:28:08] this is we don't want to do
[7:28:11] these kinds of things in our
[7:28:12] watershed protection area to
[7:28:15] achieve our housing goals, to
[7:28:16] achieve our affordable housing.
[7:28:18] Here projects on the parkway
[7:28:21] for affordable housing.
[7:28:22] We plenty areas and the
[7:28:23] comprehensive plan without
[7:28:26] changing it where we can
[7:28:27] achieve our goals for housing
[7:28:31] and have walkable communities
[7:28:32] and varied housing times and
[7:28:33] all the things we need to do as
[7:28:38] we grow
[7:28:38] .
[7:28:39] I hope you understand there are
[7:28:40] places where we can do these
[7:28:44] things
[7:28:44] .
[7:28:45] So based on all that and the
[7:28:51] fact the planning commission
[7:28:52] recommended denial, along with
[7:28:53] the letter you received from
[7:28:54] the conservation alliance and
[7:28:56] pwc a are also recommending
[7:29:01] denial.
[7:29:02] You tonight the cpa for the
[7:29:02] project.
[7:29:06] Happy holiday everyone and we
[7:29:07] will see you next year.
[7:29:08] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:29:09] thank you so very much.
[7:29:13] Next speaker.
[7:29:15] >> Public Speaker: good evening
[7:29:15] again.
[7:29:16] I am delta nichols and I am
[7:29:20] need to a precedent of -- and I
[7:29:27] am in occoquan district and I
[7:29:28] request additional time, though
[7:29:29] I probably will not need all of
[7:29:30] it.
[7:29:45] So hunters ridge is in the
[7:29:46] middle of orpa.
[7:29:47] We are 216 home strong and we
[7:29:48] do not support hoadley square,
[7:29:52] this proposed development.
[7:29:53] We ask you to please disapprove
[7:29:53] the comprehensive plan
[7:29:57] amendment and rezoning.
[7:29:58] Front at the proposed
[7:30:00] development would encroach upon
[7:30:04] orpa.
[7:30:05] Orpa was originated from sound
[7:30:06] scientific and is grounded in
[7:30:09] prudent concerns to protect one
[7:30:10] of the counties most precious
[7:30:12] resources
[7:30:12] .
[7:30:17] That is our drinking water.
[7:30:17] There's not a person in the
[7:30:18] room that does not need good to
[7:30:24] clean drinking water.
[7:30:25] And also to enable it to be
[7:30:28] sustainable far into our
[7:30:31] counties future.
[7:30:35] For our prosperity in the
[7:30:36] county future prosperity.
[7:30:39] It is imperative orpa is
[7:30:42] protected.
[7:30:42] It's somewhat rare for a
[7:30:43] majority of the county
[7:30:44] residents and government
[7:30:49] entities to identify in issue
[7:30:50] and to come together and unite
[7:30:52] around it and to protect it
[7:30:57] .
[7:30:58] Regardless of what part of the
[7:30:59] county you live in, regardless
[7:31:02] of your ethnic background, your
[7:31:03] political persuasion, your
[7:31:07] background affiliation.
[7:31:07] There are a lot of things that
[7:31:08] have the potential of dividing
[7:31:10] us but orpa is one of the most
[7:31:17] important things to this
[7:31:17] county.
[7:31:18] And individuals and interest
[7:31:22] groups came together and
[7:31:26] affirmed orpa important and
[7:31:27] they develop a sustainability
[7:31:39] plan and codified orpa into our
[7:31:39] conference a plan.
[7:31:40] And it is only been standing
[7:31:41] and codified by 2.5 years and
[7:31:42] now and developer wants the
[7:31:43] county to approve his plan to
[7:31:46] start undoing orpa and the work
[7:31:52] that has been done to put orpa
[7:31:53] in place.
[7:31:54] We find ourselves asking the
[7:31:54] question why
[7:31:57] .
[7:32:01] Given all of the considerations
[7:32:02] in the debates that occurred to
[7:32:06] stand orpa up, why would one
[7:32:10] developer put forth a request
[7:32:14] and ask the county start to
[7:32:18] undo the good prudent work that
[7:32:21] has been done.
[7:32:25] And I submit to you those
[7:32:26] asking for this are simply
[7:32:30] asking because they can ask.
[7:32:34] But you don't have to say yes
[7:32:35] because they are asking.
[7:32:38] They are asking you to forget
[7:32:39] about sustaining this county
[7:32:39] drinking water.
[7:32:45] That proposal as asking you to
[7:32:46] not be concerned about creating
[7:32:49] excessive amounts of impervious
[7:32:50] surfaces that negatively impact
[7:32:58] groundwater recharge.
[7:32:59] This proposed development is
[7:33:00] asking you to not be concerned
[7:33:00] about the traffic that is
[7:33:05] already a nightmare in the area
[7:33:11] and overly congested in the
[7:33:12] failing intersection of hoadley
[7:33:12] road and the prince william
[7:33:13] county pkwy.
[7:33:17] Hoadley square would best be
[7:33:17] built close to transportation
[7:33:22] hub not in the middle of a mass
[7:33:29] transportation desert in the
[7:33:30] middle of mint county.
[7:33:31] We talk about bus stops in omni
[7:33:32] right and I don't want to
[7:33:35] disparage anyway the only ride,
[7:33:36] but we all know it just doesn't
[7:33:37] work
[7:33:41] .
[7:33:41] If it worked, more people would
[7:33:42] use it.
[7:33:43] It takes too long from point a
[7:33:55] to point b. It's just not
[7:33:55] feasible.
[7:33:56] We should focus on making the
[7:33:56] county better.
[7:33:57] To better housing location
[7:33:58] planning that goes hand-in-hand
[7:33:59] with better transportation
[7:34:00] planning in essence ability to
[7:34:01] be efficient and affordable
[7:34:02] mass transit.
[7:34:07] The chris would the farm is not
[7:34:08] that location for this type of
[7:34:09] development.
[7:34:13] And again, I'm not against
[7:34:13] development.
[7:34:14] And I will tell you, the
[7:34:18] residence 260 strong.
[7:34:24] We are against this
[7:34:24] development.
[7:34:25] Don't let this proposed
[7:34:26] development steel water from
[7:34:26] our future.
[7:34:31] Told this development to find
[7:34:32] another location.
[7:34:33] Many of us would to be happy to
[7:34:35] help and look for another
[7:34:35] location.
[7:34:40] Supervisor boddye, you ran on a
[7:34:41] platform and protecting our
[7:34:46] precious natural resources like
[7:34:55] water.
[7:34:56] Stick to the platform you ran
[7:34:56] on.
[7:34:57] That is what we ask you to do.
[7:34:58] Stick to it.
[7:34:58] Don't show favor to the
[7:35:02] developer who wants to put the
[7:35:02] drinking water for our future
[7:35:06] at risk.
[7:35:07] we ask you board of county
[7:35:09] supervisors to be responsible
[7:35:12] selected citizen residence of
[7:35:19] our county and stewards of our
[7:35:20] drinking water now and into the
[7:35:25] future.
[7:35:26] Don't chip away at the orpa.
[7:35:27] In essence what was said
[7:35:34] earlier, if you set this
[7:35:35] precedent, you know another
[7:35:36] developer is going to come and
[7:35:39] ask for the same thing.
[7:35:39] Nd
[7:35:40] then what are you going to tell
[7:35:42] that developer
[7:35:45] ?
[7:35:46] When you do things like this is
[7:35:48] just like feathers in the wind.
[7:35:51] Is hard to get and pick them
[7:35:52] all back up so don't set a
[7:35:55] precedent disapprove this
[7:35:58] .
[7:35:58] Thank you.
[7:35:59] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:36:05] next speaker, please
[7:36:11] .
[7:36:12] >> I don't know if I can follow
[7:36:13] those two speakers.
[7:36:13] Arry, I
[7:36:18] am in the coles district.
[7:36:19] Supervisor vega, thanks for
[7:36:22] what you do.
[7:36:23] I spoke about the maple valley
[7:36:23] grove.
[7:36:24] Won't bore you with
[7:36:26] that again.
[7:36:27] If I heard this correctly the
[7:36:36] applicant requested, I wrote
[7:36:36] down five waivers.
[7:36:37] Reduced setbacks, increase the
[7:36:38] height restrictions, reduce the
[7:36:40] minimum footprint, reduce the
[7:36:40] lot length and reduce the lot
[7:36:44] with.
[7:36:44] MAY be incorrect but that's
[7:36:48] what I thought I heard.
[7:36:49] To meet these are indicators.
[7:36:52] If we are going to ignore
[7:36:53] weaver restrictions why do we
[7:36:54] even have them on paper.
[7:36:58] the second thing I want to talk
[7:37:02] about is the public road
[7:37:03] through this development.
[7:37:09] If I was a prospective buyer I
[7:37:10] would want to be told that and
[7:37:11] they will probably be told that
[7:37:12] but they probably don't know
[7:37:13] what that is going to mean down
[7:37:14] the road because any of us who
[7:37:15] lived here knows a cut through
[7:37:17] becomes a cut through
[7:37:17] .
[7:37:21] You get involved of traffic
[7:37:26] going through public road.
[7:37:27] Hill 'n dale is a good example.
[7:37:28] On the third thing I will talk
[7:37:31] about traffic again.
[7:37:32] One of the weaknesses
[7:37:35] identified was traffic
[7:37:35] .
[7:37:36] And I will run down this will
[7:37:38] quick.
[7:37:39] Everyone knows about them but
[7:37:41] we are going to put all these
[7:37:42] people that are going to live
[7:37:45] here and move here.
[7:37:46] The church on the corner, they
[7:37:48] are going to increase that
[7:37:49] proposed delete square.
[7:37:54] Maple valley grove
[7:37:54] , hoadley
[7:37:55] falls one and two, kings crest.
[7:37:58] Kings grove.
[7:37:58] The moss expansion.
[7:38:02] Not all
[7:38:03] have been approved yet but they
[7:38:04] are on the docket and then the
[7:38:07] other end is the klein farm and
[7:38:11] on the other end is the porch
[7:38:12] project.
[7:38:12] Were those people going to cut
[7:38:14] through thick they are going to
[7:38:16] come right through the hoadley
[7:38:22] road prince william county
[7:38:22] pkwy. In a section.
[7:38:25] I ask you vote no to this
[7:38:25] project.
[7:38:27] Thank you for your time.
[7:38:28] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:38:35] next speaker, please.
[7:38:37] >> Public Speaker: my name is
[7:38:38] connie christopher.
[7:38:40] Myself and
[7:38:44] my sister
[7:38:46] .
[7:38:52] Phone chris would farm.
[7:38:58] My family moved here in 1969
[7:38:58] into forest dale and dale city
[7:39:01] on the day neil armstrong
[7:39:02] walked on the moon.
[7:39:07] My parents
[7:39:07] in 1975 when I was 18 years
[7:39:11] old, we bought chris would
[7:39:18] farm.
[7:39:22] And has been writing, boarding
[7:39:24] and training facility for 50
[7:39:26] years.
[7:39:32] People asked me all the time
[7:39:33] how can I sell the farm.
[7:39:34] It is not easy
[7:39:34] .
[7:39:35] It is not been an easy
[7:39:44] decision.
[7:39:45] This is very emotional for me,
[7:39:45] I am sorry.
[7:39:50] Throughout the whole time we've
[7:39:53] tried to keep our prices down
[7:39:54] it helped keep our prices down
[7:40:00] to allow people to learn about
[7:40:01] horses, learn about riding
[7:40:05] horses and to afford a place
[7:40:05] for people who own horses to
[7:40:09] keep their horses here.
[7:40:10] How I know we are affordable is
[7:40:14] because for years I have other
[7:40:15] barns call me and tried to talk
[7:40:17] me into raising our prices and
[7:40:17] we've been one of the least
[7:40:20] expensive in the four county
[7:40:25] area.
[7:40:32] When we bought the property,
[7:40:33] hoadley road was a 2 lane
[7:40:33] winding rd.
[7:40:34] Our property was surrounded by
[7:40:36] woods on every side except
[7:40:41] hoadley road to.
[7:40:42] There was another farm across
[7:40:43] the street where dale city is
[7:40:43] now.
[7:40:47] There were winds where forest
[7:40:50] is now, teeter shopping center
[7:40:53] is now and there are woods
[7:40:55] where the mosque is now.
[7:41:02] When each of these things came
[7:41:03] before the county to be built,
[7:41:04] we never went and opposed any
[7:41:10] of them.
[7:41:11] We moved into an area we expect
[7:41:11] it to grow, dale city,
[7:41:12] lakeridge wasn't even there
[7:41:13] yet.
[7:41:14] We are in the suburbs of
[7:41:18] washington D.C. And we expected
[7:41:20] growth to happen.
[7:41:28] What we did because we were the
[7:41:29] only farmers put up a bigger
[7:41:30] fence to keep our horses in so
[7:41:31] they are not running across
[7:41:31] peoples yards and to keep
[7:41:33] people out so they are not
[7:41:38] messing with our horses.
[7:41:39] We built a thriving business
[7:41:50] through the years.
[7:41:50] It has not always been easy.
[7:41:55] Having large animals is a law
[7:41:56] of work and most of the time my
[7:42:01] family has done because we
[7:42:01] could not afford to hire
[7:42:10] people.
[7:42:16] I made the decision to sell my
[7:42:17] farm when I got kidney cancer
[7:42:27] seven years ago.
[7:42:28] I had to ensure my horses would
[7:42:36] be taken care of so I had to
[7:42:36] get another place.
[7:42:37] I have some land that I hope to
[7:42:38] build a barn on to move all of
[7:42:39] my horses
[7:42:40] , three quarters are
[7:42:42] over three years 20 years old
[7:42:46] which makes them between 60 and
[7:42:50] 70 years old and people years.
[7:42:51] And you will not get any money
[7:42:54] for those horses
[7:42:55] .
[7:42:55] People say you can sell them.
[7:42:56] Not really.
[7:43:00] I cannot let my horses go to
[7:43:01] people who will not take care
[7:43:05] of them.
[7:43:06] will horses require a law of
[7:43:09] care.
[7:43:15] Here I am seven years later
[7:43:16] still fighting the cancer,
[7:43:17] still hoping to sell my place
[7:43:18] and still hoping to move my
[7:43:24] horses.
[7:43:25] Chris would farm has been my
[7:43:27] life
[7:43:29] .
[7:43:33] I don't want to sell it and I
[7:43:36] want to sell it.
[7:43:37] But I cannot continue what I
[7:43:40] have been doing so I have no
[7:43:43] choice
[7:43:43] .
[7:43:44] I would like to thank the
[7:43:47] residents of prince william
[7:43:49] county and on the board of
[7:43:55] supervisors because without all
[7:44:02] the help from this county
[7:44:03] throughout the years we would
[7:44:04] not have been able to make it
[7:44:05] this long
[7:44:08] .
[7:44:10] We truly appreciate it.
[7:44:20] Thank you for listening, and
[7:44:21] it's been a great ride to.
[7:44:22] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:44:22] thank you.
[7:44:23] Before our next speaker going
[7:44:24] to call up the next group of
[7:44:26] five.
[7:44:27] I've ashley -- hold on.
[7:44:28] Some going to call up the next
[7:44:29] group and then you can speak.
[7:44:36] Ashley, norman
[7:44:37] , anne
[7:44:39] stephenson, gary o'brien and
[7:44:43] catherine howard to.
[7:44:43] All right.
[7:44:50] You MAY begin.
[7:44:51] >> Public Speaker: good evening
[7:44:52] board of supervisors forgotten
[7:45:01] back here.
[7:45:02] Still christopher cummings from
[7:45:02] the occoquan district.
[7:45:03] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:45:04] can you adjust the microphone
[7:45:13] so we can hear you better?
[7:45:14] >> Public Speaker: I'm still --
[7:45:15] by the feeling we get increased
[7:45:16] taxes, more data centers and
[7:45:19] more high density housing here.
[7:45:20] Turning to the matter at hand
[7:45:21] but application needs to be
[7:45:23] seen together with the maple
[7:45:33] valley road application
[7:45:34] .
[7:45:35] Together if passed, and one of
[7:45:35] them has already been passed,
[7:45:36] they will impose unreasonable
[7:45:37] new
[7:45:37] burdens on the
[7:45:38] transportation infrastructure,
[7:45:39] as well as the watershed area
[7:45:40] that offers occoquan reservoir
[7:45:41] .
[7:45:46] High density housing in these
[7:45:47] two combined together comprise
[7:45:49] high density housing should be
[7:45:51] steered the areas with high
[7:45:57] capacity transit not to major
[7:45:58] road intersections already
[7:46:01] heavily burdened with traffic
[7:46:02] .
[7:46:03] The impact on schools have been
[7:46:06] discussed and everybody knows
[7:46:14] how tricky that gets in terms
[7:46:15] of redistricting and promises
[7:46:16] of new schools that get
[7:46:17] postponed and all that sort of
[7:46:17] thing.
[7:46:20] As things stand, a huge
[7:46:21] amount of impervious surfaces
[7:46:22] detract from the watershed and
[7:46:26] threaten those of us nearby who
[7:46:27] depend on well water for our
[7:46:28] homes
[7:46:28] .
[7:46:32] It matters of the planning
[7:46:35] commission recommended denial
[7:46:36] were at least 10 serious
[7:46:42] problems with the proposal.
[7:46:43] I would ask you seriously
[7:46:45] consider and deny this
[7:46:48] application.
[7:46:48] Thank you.
[7:46:49] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:46:58] next speaker
[7:46:59] , please.
[7:47:00] >> Public Speaker: good evening
[7:47:01] chair jefferson, members of the
[7:47:01] board.
[7:47:02] My name is ashley, occoquan
[7:47:03] district.
[7:47:04] Speaking on behalf of the
[7:47:05] prince william conservation
[7:47:06] alliance and I request the
[7:47:09] additional time in prince
[7:47:10] william conservation alliances
[7:47:11] and environmental
[7:47:11] nonprofit.
[7:47:13] We have been operational for 20
[7:47:19] years in the county and our
[7:47:20] focus is on creating equitable
[7:47:23] and sustainable communities
[7:47:24] .
[7:47:25] The occoquan reservoir
[7:47:27] production area was created
[7:47:28] just 2.5 years ago.
[7:47:28] N lot of
[7:47:32] this
[7:47:33] .
[7:47:34] Martin did a terrific job
[7:47:36] providing an outline here, but
[7:47:37] I did want to highlight a
[7:47:38] couple points that he pointed
[7:47:43] out.
[7:47:44] This was established 2.5 years
[7:47:45] ago as part of the company and
[7:47:45] supply an update.
[7:47:49] The same update resolved the
[7:47:50] urban growth boundary and as a
[7:47:56] result significantly increased
[7:47:57] the allowable density in the
[7:48:01] occoquan reservoir watershed.
[7:48:01] Which is already one of the
[7:48:03] most urbanized drinking water
[7:48:03] watersheds in the country.
[7:48:05] While there are watersheds more
[7:48:10] urbanized, they are not able to
[7:48:11] convey drinking water an
[7:48:15] affordable cost the way the
[7:48:17] occoquan does.
[7:48:18] This change was made despite
[7:48:20] the request to conduct a water
[7:48:33] study prior to making such
[7:48:34] significantly induced
[7:48:34] decisions.
[7:48:35] we are still waiting for the
[7:48:36] results, although my
[7:48:36] understanding is those are
[7:48:38] being wrapped up.
[7:48:39] And also recommended ground
[7:48:40] water study has also not been
[7:48:40] conducted.
[7:48:45] With the adoption of the new
[7:48:46] comprehensive plan, orpa has
[7:48:47] become the primary strategy for
[7:48:50] protecting the occoquan
[7:48:51] reservoir in the groundwater
[7:48:52] resources that are in that
[7:48:56] area.
[7:48:57] Like we heard before, orpa
[7:48:57] follows watershed boundaries
[7:49:04] and hydrogeologic lines and
[7:49:05] these were not arbitrary.
[7:49:06] They were drawn intentionally
[7:49:09] and based on the geology that
[7:49:10] are particularly susceptible to
[7:49:14] droughts and it's why I
[7:49:15] mentioned earlier maple valley
[7:49:17] grove really does fit into
[7:49:19] these categories.
[7:49:23] We already work including the
[7:49:24] parcels that could have and
[7:49:27] should have been included
[7:49:27] .
[7:49:29] Without a groundwater study, we
[7:49:34] do not fully understand how
[7:49:36] increased development pressure
[7:49:37] would affect these resources
[7:49:38] over time.
[7:49:43] And now just 2.5 years later
[7:49:44] after than density in the
[7:49:45] watershed has been
[7:49:46] significantly increased, we are
[7:49:47] facing the first request to
[7:50:01] remove land from the orpa area.
[7:50:02] Planning staff has recommended
[7:50:03] approval they highlighted
[7:50:04] prioritizing affordable housing
[7:50:05] goals over upholding our
[7:50:06] primary policy to protect
[7:50:06] critical
[7:50:07] drinking water
[7:50:07] resources.
[7:50:09] This creates an either/or
[7:50:10] scenario when the whole purpose
[7:50:14] a comprehensive planning is a
[7:50:14] course to be able to say yes
[7:50:17] and
[7:50:17] .
[7:50:18] I want to acknowledge the
[7:50:21] comments made on the planning
[7:50:23] commission hearing that I heard
[7:50:23] .
[7:50:32] It was really important for me,
[7:50:33] for all of us to hear from
[7:50:34] residents who spoke favorably
[7:50:35] about this proposal and hear
[7:50:39] their lived experiences and
[7:50:39] their hopes and this proposal
[7:50:40] represents on their
[7:50:40] perspectives really
[7:50:42] matter.
[7:50:45] It is really heartening to hear
[7:50:46] the stories and I appreciate
[7:50:47] the care and thought it brought
[7:50:48] to that discussion.
[7:50:51] By looking
[7:50:56] up the county holistically we
[7:50:57] can accommodate the vision in
[7:51:02] the dream and continued growth
[7:51:04] by incentivizing redevelopment
[7:51:09] near the existing transit hubs
[7:51:10] while offering additional
[7:51:15] housing configurations
[7:51:16] .
[7:51:18] I'm going to use this really
[7:51:22] quick.
[7:51:23] Even though I will know for
[7:51:25] next time to zoom in so we can
[7:51:32] see this better.
[7:51:33] And allow for different housing
[7:51:41] configuration and the aa
[7:51:41] .
[7:51:42] The arts and ag arts overlay
[7:51:46] which is in yellow here.
[7:51:47] To protect our natural and
[7:51:48] cultural resources for the
[7:51:51] benefit of all residents and to
[7:51:54] allow for diverse housing.
[7:51:58] I will say the project does
[7:52:00] have a lot to offer.
[7:52:03] If it were located in one of
[7:52:08] the red areas, that would be
[7:52:10] awesome and provide a loft
[7:52:11] , and
[7:52:16] of protecting the reducing
[7:52:18] green space we have in those
[7:52:19] areas
[7:52:20] .
[7:52:25] You can see the map on the
[7:52:26] other side that there are
[7:52:26] parcels.
[7:52:34] You can see the little flex of
[7:52:34] purple and green.
[7:52:35] There are parcels we can and
[7:52:36] should protect in these areas.
[7:52:38] Configuration like we are
[7:52:41] seeing here one of the areas
[7:52:45] would be absolutely phenomenal
[7:52:47] for the residents in the areas
[7:52:51] that are experiencing depleted
[7:52:53] green space and they have a
[7:52:56] right should have access to
[7:53:00] walk out there door and get
[7:53:01] into some trees as well because
[7:53:03] there's a lotta health benefits
[7:53:09] for that.
[7:53:10] It really comes down to that
[7:53:13] here in the area our focus
[7:53:17] should be building upon the
[7:53:21] density framework and ensuring
[7:53:23] it succeeds.
[7:53:26] In fact
[7:53:28] , we've had multiple
[7:53:28] meetings with county staff in
[7:53:33] the late supervisor and
[7:53:33] supervisor boddye about
[7:53:38] discussing the importance of
[7:53:39] orpa, how we can build on the
[7:53:39] framework and the need to
[7:53:41] created dedicated zoning
[7:53:44] district so we can build upon
[7:53:45] and strengthen the protections
[7:53:48] of the framework is designed to
[7:53:51] provide.
[7:53:54] This should come first.
[7:53:55] The bayreuth development is
[7:54:03] mostly a one so that is one
[7:54:04] house per 10 acres so even
[7:54:05] proposals would still need to
[7:54:09] go through rezoning
[7:54:10] .
[7:54:10] Honest away from the speaker
[7:54:14] before the farm, you can't hear
[7:54:15] her story and hear your have
[7:54:20] your heart broken.
[7:54:23] When I heard that I felt so sad
[7:54:26] we have not yet incentivized
[7:54:30] this type of land use and
[7:54:31] supported her vision for what
[7:54:32] the parcel could and
[7:54:38] should be.
[7:54:38] To the point where she is
[7:54:39] feeling she has no choice and
[7:54:45] needs to be pushed out
[7:54:45] .
[7:54:46] I have to sit.
[7:54:47] I think we should sit with that
[7:54:52] sadness we do not on the
[7:54:53] incentives in place to
[7:54:54] encourage thought and instead
[7:54:54] we are seeing data centers by
[7:54:59] up our nurseries and we are
[7:55:00] seeing the lower green
[7:55:00] businesses leave
[7:55:03] .
[7:55:06] And I don't think that's the
[7:55:09] direction I want to go.
[7:55:10] Right now the board is
[7:55:15] considering starting to erode
[7:55:16] what is become our primary
[7:55:17] production strategy, especially
[7:55:18] at the time when we are seeing
[7:55:19] unprecedented development
[7:55:26] pressure across the county it's
[7:55:27] not argument to say the
[7:55:31] proposal only removes whatever
[7:55:32] number of acres or is whatever
[7:55:37] percent of orpa or the
[7:55:38] watershed.
[7:55:38] This is about upholding a
[7:55:41] policy.
[7:55:41] It's about sending a clear
[7:55:46] message we take a
[7:55:47] responsibility estimates of the
[7:55:47] critical drinking water
[7:55:51] resource seriously and that we
[7:55:52] are part of the responsibility
[7:55:54] rather than contribute in the
[7:55:57] death of 10,000 cuts.
[7:56:01] We recommend this be denied.
[7:56:02] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[7:56:15] next speaker, please.
[7:56:16] >> Public Speaker: good
[7:56:16] evening.
[7:56:19] anne stevenson.
[7:56:19] Occoquan district.
[7:56:20] Thank you for letting me speak
[7:56:24] again.
[7:56:25] I would also like to address
[7:56:29] the orpa.
[7:56:32] And has had quite a history.
[7:56:33] Martin with medco, meant county
[7:56:36] civic association pursuit of
[7:56:39] the creation of an occoquan
[7:56:40] reservoir overlay district for
[7:56:46] more than a decade.
[7:56:47] Published a report with a list
[7:56:48] of regulations for potential
[7:56:56] overlay district in 2011.
[7:56:57] The ashley is organization, the
[7:56:58] conservation alliance, a local
[7:57:01] nonprofit back plans for the
[7:57:03] overlay district
[7:57:03] .
[7:57:04] That's what she was talking
[7:57:05] about.
[7:57:08] Executive director
[7:57:09] , MAY she
[7:57:13] rest in peace
[7:57:15] , advocated for
[7:57:16] development restrictions
[7:57:17] throughout the entire occoquan
[7:57:17] watershed.
[7:57:21] From headwaters to river which
[7:57:22] dan spans two thirds of the
[7:57:25] county landmass.
[7:57:28] Is important overlay to the
[7:57:33] entire watershed addressing
[7:57:34] problems in the upper reaches,
[7:57:35] which is where the horse farm
[7:57:45] is addressing problems in the
[7:57:46] upper reaches of the watershed
[7:57:47] and the headwaters is of
[7:57:47] critical importance of.
[7:57:48] If you screw up the headwaters
[7:57:49] he will never recover.
[7:57:54] To comment on whether or not
[7:57:55] the pond on the horse farm is
[7:57:57] springfed or not, the
[7:57:58] information I was told by
[7:58:03] colony will springfed.
[7:58:07] No?
[7:58:09] If you look at martin's overlay
[7:58:12] were projection in each of the
[7:58:16] protected areas the, dale city
[7:58:22] and crosses over trenton road
[7:58:23] and it covers the first section
[7:58:24] of the horse farm when the pond
[7:58:28] is.
[7:58:28] That MAY need to be
[7:58:29] investigated more because that
[7:58:31] is in the protection area
[7:58:32] according to the county map
[7:58:38] there.
[7:58:41] And then back in 2020
[7:58:41] ,
[7:58:42] supervisor vega directed the
[7:58:46] county staff to begin work on
[7:58:47] an overlay district in NOVEMBER
[7:58:50] 2020 following several
[7:58:52] development proposals approved
[7:58:56] by the board.
[7:58:59] At the time supervisor vega
[7:58:59] said many of your constituents
[7:59:03] are concerned about increased
[7:59:04] development throughout the
[7:59:06] county that could impact the
[7:59:11] counties drinking water.
[7:59:12] The last ground study was done
[7:59:17] in 1997.
[7:59:18] I know there is one in the
[7:59:18] making but and hadn't yet been
[7:59:21] done
[7:59:21] .
[7:59:24] I feel needs to be done before
[7:59:27] the development takes place
[7:59:27] within the orpa and potentially
[7:59:30] will affect our drinking water
[7:59:36] an hour wells
[7:59:36] .
[7:59:37] We all drink the water that
[7:59:38] comes from these headwaters in
[7:59:42] the end of the occoquan.
[7:59:47] Going to read from prince
[7:59:48] william county times dated back
[8:00:10] in AUGUST 2021.
[8:00:11] Quote is by supervisor boddye.
[8:00:12] A major part of prince william
[8:00:13] county commitment to its
[8:00:13] citizens is ensuring
[8:00:14] environmental resources,
[8:00:15] including clean water arguably
[8:00:17] the most important resource are
[8:00:17] protected for current and
[8:00:18] future generations.
[8:00:19] Currently poorly planned
[8:00:23] development lacks enforcement
[8:00:24] of the normal safeguards
[8:00:25] threatening the health of our
[8:00:26] waterways, including the
[8:00:28] occoquan reservoir.
[8:00:28] He
[8:00:29] regions drinking water supply
[8:00:30] for the occoquan reservoir is
[8:00:31] on the epa dirty waters list
[8:00:32] and is condition continues to
[8:00:39] decline posing a direct threat
[8:00:40] to the cleanliness of your
[8:00:40] drinking water will protecting
[8:00:41] the watersheds that are
[8:00:42] critical to the health of the
[8:00:43] occoquan reservoir is both
[8:00:44] affordable and practical once
[8:00:50] the damage has been done
[8:00:50] .
[8:00:51] The cost to you as a taxpayer
[8:00:52] will be astronomical.
[8:00:53] Principal the monthly tools an
[8:00:53] obligation to address this
[8:00:59] issue
[8:01:00] .
[8:01:01] One of the most important tools
[8:01:02] granted the local virginia
[8:01:02] government is the ability to
[8:01:03] protect waterfront land known
[8:01:04] as the resource preservation
[8:01:05] areas from clearing another
[8:01:06] destruction.
[8:01:06] These waterfront buffers are
[8:01:10] lost to best of defense to vent
[8:01:11] pollution in the ring are
[8:01:11] water.
[8:01:12] Serving occoquan
[8:01:15] district
[8:01:21] , I'm particularly
[8:01:22] aware of the importance of
[8:01:23] protecting waterways the
[8:01:24] supervisors debated allowing on
[8:01:32] development including data
[8:01:33] centers in the county rural
[8:01:34] crescent some residents rely on
[8:01:35] private wells for drinking
[8:01:36] water raised concerns about how
[8:01:37] the kind of development might
[8:01:38] affect groundwater.
[8:01:38] The county is preparing options
[8:01:39] and recommendations for a
[8:01:40] groundwater study to be
[8:01:47] considered in the making.
[8:01:48] By signing onto the 20/40 comp
[8:01:48] plan,
[8:01:49] those of you who were here
[8:01:53] , he made a promise with your
[8:01:54] signature signing on to protect
[8:02:00] and preserve this orpa for our
[8:02:01] drinking water.
[8:02:07] Please leave the orpa as is.
[8:02:08] Really keep those promises?
[8:02:08] Promises made, promises kept or
[8:02:09] will the promises broken.
[8:02:11] Please keep yours.
[8:02:19] Keep the orpa thank you.
[8:02:20] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:02:21] before I go to the next speaker
[8:02:22] I want to call up the next
[8:02:22] group.
[8:02:26] Paul halberd to come I called
[8:02:27] up catherine howard.
[8:02:28] Catherine, paul, michael,
[8:02:28] william
[8:02:35] , clancy and jack.
[8:02:42] You MAY proceed, sir.
[8:02:44] >> Public Speaker: gary o'brien
[8:02:44] again, coles district.
[8:02:46] Thank you.
[8:02:50] For the vote. If we continue
[8:02:53] this path, I really worry about
[8:02:57] this county.
[8:02:57] If you look at the way we do
[8:03:04] things here, it seems we set
[8:03:08] these rules only to be broken.
[8:03:09] Not having any real solid
[8:03:12] protection for orpa is the case
[8:03:14] in point.
[8:03:15] We need to lock it down some
[8:03:22] builders don't come in and say
[8:03:23] we will get a waiver on a
[8:03:24] portion of it and we will chip
[8:03:25] away and eventually it will be
[8:03:26] worthless
[8:03:27] .
[8:03:32] If you have been here for these
[8:03:33] board meetings like I have over
[8:03:34] the years, and the boards are
[8:03:35] faced with lawsuits if they
[8:03:38] refuse precedents that have
[8:03:42] been set by their previous
[8:03:45] votes.
[8:03:46] Here we are setting another
[8:03:50] precedent potentially.
[8:03:51] And I continue to worry about
[8:04:06] this because right now there's
[8:04:07] a serious health problem in the
[8:04:07] occoquan.
[8:04:08] And it is growing worse and
[8:04:08] worse.
[8:04:09] The data centers are going to
[8:04:10] make it worse as they flush
[8:04:13] their systems.
[8:04:13] Now, where are we going to get
[8:04:14] our water from.
[8:04:19] Clean water if we don't
[8:04:20] , if we
[8:04:21] have to share it with data
[8:04:22] centers and potentially.
[8:04:26] Hate to say this, but nuclear
[8:04:26] power plants potentially to run
[8:04:28] these things
[8:04:29] .
[8:04:30] Where are we going to get our
[8:04:32] water?
[8:04:33] We are already having droughts
[8:04:35] and severe floods
[8:04:37] .
[8:04:38] The floods are causing damage
[8:04:38] that we are spending a fortune
[8:04:40] to repair
[8:04:41] , streams and what
[8:04:41] have you.
[8:04:50] And that is not cheap.
[8:04:50] And if we are to use osmosis to
[8:04:51] get the salt out of the water,
[8:04:53] imagine what is going to cost
[8:04:53] us for fresh water.
[8:05:00] And if you have a salt problem
[8:05:01] in your diet, you going to
[8:05:02] drink bottled water because he
[8:05:03] won't be able to drink anything
[8:05:04] out of the faucet.
[8:05:05] And I didn't hear anything
[8:05:06] about the schools this last
[8:05:09] time.
[8:05:10] Are we going to get the money
[8:05:11] for all the schools the kids
[8:05:15] are going to come into.
[8:05:20] I didn't see any proffers.
[8:05:20] They said there was but I
[8:05:26] didn't hear any.
[8:05:27] And it is not cheap busing kids
[8:05:27] and nobody likes their kids
[8:05:33] being bussed outside their area
[8:05:34] to satisfy a builder that wants
[8:05:34] to build high
[8:05:35] density in the
[8:05:39] wrong place.
[8:05:42] On who is to say the courts is
[8:05:45] going to be built before this
[8:05:46] maple valley is going to be
[8:05:49] built
[8:05:49] .
[8:05:51] In this and thought going to
[8:05:51] have low density or low cost
[8:05:56] housing?
[8:05:57] And yet you say you needed this
[8:05:58] one for low-cost housing.
[8:05:59] Will, in another 279 know you
[8:06:02] want double that with this
[8:06:04] development.
[8:06:12] I just don't get it.
[8:06:20] As far as the pond goes, I
[8:06:22] can't imagine a pond not being
[8:06:22] self-sufficient.
[8:06:23] There isn't any stream that
[8:06:27] runs into it and you want to
[8:06:27] have a house built over a
[8:06:28] stream or a
[8:06:29] pond?
[8:06:30] I made the mistake of buying a
[8:06:32] townhouse built inside a dry
[8:06:36] lake.
[8:06:37] Every time it rained the
[8:06:37] basement practically filled up
[8:06:40] with water.
[8:06:41] These MAY not have basements
[8:06:45] but I still wouldn't want my
[8:06:46] foundation on unsolved the
[8:06:48] ground.
[8:06:52] We have a number of issues here
[8:06:55] speak the biggest one being
[8:06:57] orpa is setting a precedent
[8:06:59] .
[8:07:01] We are ready approved some low
[8:07:02] income housing.
[8:07:02] E are going
[8:07:05] to have more with courts
[8:07:08] .
[8:07:11] And we had to sacrifice orpa in
[8:07:12] the freshwater we need for our
[8:07:16] future and our futures children
[8:07:17] just to make some builder
[8:07:21] happy?
[8:07:25] I don't get it.
[8:07:26] And if you really are hell-bent
[8:07:29] determined to vote for this
[8:07:30] ,
[8:07:32] what about that property.
[8:07:36] Why don't you delay this and
[8:07:36] think give us the property is
[8:07:43] offset what you're taking away
[8:07:44] and putting in conservation
[8:07:44] instead of making it
[8:07:46] industrial.
[8:07:49] Industrial in the area doesn't
[8:07:49] make any sense.
[8:07:55] In fact, it makes things worse.
[8:07:56] In conclusion, I think we have
[8:08:01] to look for the future and
[8:08:07] think logically and do what's
[8:08:07] right for citizens and
[8:08:12] taxpayers because bad mistakes
[8:08:25] now are going to cost us a lot
[8:08:26] more leaders.
[8:08:26] Ook at schools
[8:08:27] p $50-$60 million for the next
[8:08:28] middle school.
[8:08:28] MAY be 79 million for the next
[8:08:28] school.
[8:08:29] Where is that money going to
[8:08:30] come from?
[8:08:30] Thank you.
[8:08:31] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:08:35] next speaker, please.
[8:08:39] >> Public Speaker: michael,
[8:08:42] occoquan district.
[8:08:47] Thank you all for the time.
[8:08:48] I would like to talk a little
[8:08:51] bit about impacts and what we
[8:08:57] see from these projects.
[8:08:57] One was already approved.
[8:08:58] We are looking on this one is
[8:08:59] approved which they are not
[8:09:00] equal is reestablished.
[8:09:05] One is in deep orpa, one isn't
[8:09:05] .
[8:09:08] but it is 550 homes here in
[8:09:11] looking at depending on what
[8:09:12] estimate measure you use,
[8:09:17] around 3000 to 4000 trips on
[8:09:17] hoadley in the span of a day
[8:09:21] between deliveries, trash
[8:09:27] trucks, cars, what have you.
[8:09:28] You put that much traffic on
[8:09:29] hoadley road and you are
[8:09:33] looking at having to solve that
[8:09:34] traffic issue which is already
[8:09:35] a problem, which MAY be a means
[8:09:36] whitening hoadley road so I
[8:09:37] hope the residents enjoy that
[8:09:38] road getting a little closer to
[8:09:40] their homes.
[8:09:41] Let's talk about the schools
[8:09:43] for a second.
[8:09:46] The elementary and high school
[8:09:49] is overcrowded today
[8:09:53] .
[8:09:54] It is at 100 percent and I
[8:09:55] appreciate the developer
[8:09:56] proffering money toward it
[8:09:59] unlike the other one that we
[8:10:00] approved in the room and put
[8:10:01] more burden on me tonight and
[8:10:02] all the people in the room
[8:10:03] .
[8:10:05] If you live in prince on them
[8:10:07] county.
[8:10:08] My kids are looking to going to
[8:10:12] school the elementary in
[8:10:12] trailers.
[8:10:13] Nathan who you praised tonight
[8:10:16] in here, they have trailers at
[8:10:19] colgan high school.
[8:10:20] Is that what we want in our
[8:10:21] community to take 100 percent
[8:10:26] packed schools and make that
[8:10:27] the way our kids go to school
[8:10:29] and then to solve it because
[8:10:30] the proffers while they are
[8:10:36] great, they do not solve
[8:10:36] everything.
[8:10:37] You're talking about additional
[8:10:38] funding coming out of each
[8:10:40] taxpayers pocket to fix a
[8:10:47] problem were saying yes to
[8:10:47] tonight that is not our
[8:10:47] problem.
[8:10:48] We are creating the problem in
[8:10:51] this room
[8:10:52] .
[8:11:00] We breeze passed another thing
[8:11:01] that flew past earlier in the
[8:11:02] night about the, I get forget
[8:11:02] the phrasing.
[8:11:03] The cultural significant area
[8:11:03] on the project.
[8:11:07] Just so everyone is clear,
[8:11:08] that's a site that predates
[8:11:10] colonial sediment the pattern
[8:11:12] of life in any archaeological
[8:11:13] area means it is not just in
[8:11:17] the area which it is
[8:11:17] discovered.
[8:11:22] Once we bulldoze that area and
[8:11:23] disturb it, that is damage that
[8:11:29] can't be recovered from.
[8:11:30] So there is also the orpa which
[8:11:32] we talked about in depth.
[8:11:33] The orpa was put in place to
[8:11:35] protect every single persons
[8:11:40] drinking water in this area.
[8:11:41] We heard at naseem I don't want
[8:11:42] to go through it and repeat
[8:11:44] what others have said it better
[8:11:47] than I can.
[8:11:48] I know from the well-known
[8:11:49] property because I bought the
[8:11:54] house from family, the well has
[8:11:56] lowered the amount of gallons
[8:11:58] per minute reduced.
[8:12:02] It was drilled in 1986.
[8:12:03] The cost and impact of the
[8:12:05] people who live in my area
[8:12:06] , the
[8:12:12] entire mid to co-area, to draw
[8:12:13] up a new well you're talking
[8:12:13] $10,000-$40,000.
[8:12:18] So if we vote yes on this
[8:12:23] particular project tonight when
[8:12:24] somebody in prince william
[8:12:25] county medco area in the years
[8:12:27] to come has to drill a new well
[8:12:27] maybe they don't get the car
[8:12:39] that year, there can doesn't
[8:12:40] get to go to college, that is
[8:12:40] the choice you're making
[8:12:41] tonight by beginning to take
[8:12:42] land out of the orpa for those
[8:12:43] people, want them to remember
[8:12:48] if they are listening that if
[8:12:48] people vote for the project
[8:12:49] here and take land out of the
[8:12:50] orpa they are taking
[8:12:51] potentially money out of their
[8:12:51] pocket.
[8:12:52] Thank you for your time.
[8:13:00] I appreciate it.
[8:13:01] >> Public Speaker: good
[8:13:02] evening.
[8:13:04] I am quincy
[8:13:06] , and occoquan
[8:13:13] resident since 1973.
[8:13:14] I will just take the short term
[8:13:15] because my father jack is going
[8:13:17] to do the long time.
[8:13:19] I want to thank the chris with
[8:13:25] the family for all the years he
[8:13:25] put in the place.
[8:13:26] Both my daughters became expert
[8:13:31] writers on your property and
[8:13:32] they both went off to compete
[8:13:33] at the national level in
[8:13:37] quarter horse writing.
[8:13:37] Thank you very much for your
[8:13:40] service and I am beyond sad
[8:13:45] this is shutting down.
[8:13:46] You guys were a magnificent
[8:13:48] addition to our community for
[8:13:49] more than 50 years so thank you
[8:13:55] very much.
[8:13:56] I'm going to repeat what you
[8:13:56] just heard.
[8:14:02] Please keep the orpa in place.
[8:14:02] We have to
[8:14:03] protect our drinking
[8:14:03] water and datacenter water,
[8:14:08] unfortunately.
[8:14:08] You for that went to fairfax
[8:14:09] county because they know what
[8:14:10] they are doing up there and we
[8:14:11] don't
[8:14:21] .
[8:14:21] If the data centers need water,
[8:14:23] they can choose groundwater
[8:14:26] recycling through wells that
[8:14:27] are cut down a huge amount of
[8:14:28] our water from prince william
[8:14:31] county that we produced in the
[8:14:35] mooney plant goes
[8:14:35] , the water
[8:14:36] from fairfax county water
[8:14:41] authority.
[8:14:42] The plant recycles it.
[8:14:43] But a huge amount about water
[8:14:44] goes to the data centers
[8:14:44] .
[8:14:48] If I was you I would ask pws a
[8:14:49] how much of their water is
[8:14:54] going to data centers because
[8:14:54] it's an unknown.
[8:14:55] You should know what that
[8:14:58] number is every day.
[8:14:59] We can't drink it if it is in
[8:15:02] the data center
[8:15:02] .
[8:15:03] It goes up there and get pumped
[8:15:08] up and they recycle it.
[8:15:09] And then it comes back to the
[8:15:09] occoquan of course.
[8:15:11] This is
[8:15:13] your decision obviously
[8:15:17] .
[8:15:18] Citizens have opinions,
[8:15:18] planning commissions have
[8:15:22] opinions and boards and
[8:15:23] supervisors are the only ones
[8:15:24] that have boats so this is on
[8:15:30] the wall.
[8:15:31] Want to thank the applicant for
[8:15:32] downsizing for what he started
[8:15:34] out staying open communication
[8:15:35] with the rest of the community
[8:15:37] thank you very much.
[8:15:43] Guys have done good and I think
[8:15:44] not being an expert on this
[8:15:44] stuff.
[8:15:50] I think a big open area with
[8:15:51] the pond on it is going to do
[8:15:52] the things we want for
[8:15:53] protecting, rather than just
[8:15:54] five acre lots.
[8:15:55] So thank you very much for
[8:15:58] that.
[8:15:58] Like jack said, we need more
[8:16:12] support for the orpa.
[8:16:13] Thank you all for paying
[8:16:13] attention.
[8:16:14] Thank you for a
[8:16:16] long night.
[8:16:17] Thank you for doing what you're
[8:16:21] going to do and protect the
[8:16:26] orpa whatever you do.
[8:16:27] As far as I'm concerned, we the
[8:16:36] quality developer here who is
[8:16:37] trying to make in our mental
[8:16:38] impact and he picked up the
[8:16:39] fairfax county standards which
[8:16:39] nobody else has which I
[8:16:40] appreciate a loft.
[8:16:40] Thank you.
[8:16:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:16:44] before jack goes again, I'm
[8:16:47] calling the next group out.
[8:16:49] Hold on.
[8:16:53] Let me call them up.
[8:16:53] Doctor jack, let me call up the
[8:16:56] next group of people.
[8:16:59] So I have andrew
[8:17:03] , [Name], julie
[8:17:04] I am sorry have your
[8:17:06] pronunciation on the other page
[8:17:06] but I am looking at you so go
[8:17:09] on up.
[8:17:12] Richard welch and nathan
[8:17:13] higgins
[8:17:15] .
[8:17:19] It is your turn.
[8:17:20] >> Public Speaker: MADAM Chair
[8:17:23] and members of the board, I
[8:17:25] wish you well for the holidays
[8:17:31] in the year ahead.
[8:17:32] I do want to say we are blessed
[8:17:36] with quality staff
[8:17:37] .
[8:17:38] They do as much due diligence
[8:17:40] as possible and I want to thank
[8:17:43] the staff for working at the
[8:17:47] applicant and I want to thank
[8:17:48] the applicant for remaining
[8:17:51] open dialogue with us
[8:17:52] .
[8:17:53] We can pick up the phone and
[8:17:57] say could you meet us?
[8:17:58] In fact, we met OCTOBER 30 our
[8:18:01] last meeting and went over all
[8:18:04] the changes
[8:18:04] .
[8:18:06] The committee has asked over
[8:18:10] the high density, but we ended
[8:18:12] up with a substantial density
[8:18:17] suggestions and then also doing
[8:18:18] a lot of things that were more
[8:18:23] respectful of the land.
[8:18:24] I want to complement the
[8:18:27] applicant in that regard.
[8:18:28] I know he is a commitment to
[8:18:32] continue the dialogue.
[8:18:35] And with that I want to ask
[8:18:35] whatever decision you make, if
[8:18:39] you make an approval we would
[8:18:44] like to have a courtesy review
[8:18:45] on the architecture signage,
[8:18:46] lighting, landscaping,
[8:18:49] stormwater controls and such so
[8:18:51] we can have that dialogue.
[8:18:58] And we can engage the community
[8:18:59] in the discussion prior to
[8:19:00] final site plan.
[8:19:00] So we would like to see that.
[8:19:04] With regard to the orpa in
[8:19:07] particular, we strongly
[8:19:10] recommend to maintain the orpa
[8:19:14] designation rather than that in
[8:19:21] the three.
[8:19:22] It's a philosophy of protecting
[8:19:24] the reservoir and just trying
[8:19:29] to be good stewards
[8:19:30] .
[8:19:31] I would say the applicant a
[8:19:31] step
[8:19:32] forward in that regard in a
[8:19:36] positive manner, which
[8:19:38] encourages us
[8:19:39] .
[8:19:40] As we look at this particular
[8:19:43] application
[8:19:44] , we have serious
[8:19:45] commitments
[8:19:46] .
[8:19:48] 65 percent is now an opened
[8:19:51] base
[8:19:52] .
[8:19:53] We have the commitment to place
[8:19:56] it into a conservation easement
[8:20:00] in trust.
[8:20:01] We have the buffer along the
[8:20:05] prince william parkway.
[8:20:06] It will be an undisturbed
[8:20:11] buffer.
[8:20:12] Is not quite 50 feet but it is
[8:20:12] an undisturbed buffer.
[8:20:15] And we
[8:20:17] talked a lot about parking and
[8:20:20] we said we want to see ample
[8:20:24] parking in street parking and
[8:20:25] all that came to pass so we
[8:20:30] ended up with 1124 parking
[8:20:37] spaces when we have 721
[8:20:37] required spaces.
[8:20:38] And we are approximately 400
[8:20:50] spaces above code.
[8:20:51] These are all good places been.
[8:20:52] We have the bow stations we are
[8:20:53] looking at within our around
[8:20:58] the site.
[8:20:59] The other thing we worked on
[8:21:00] years ago with the moss was
[8:21:03] trying to eliminate the u-turns
[8:21:06] .
[8:21:07] Are a specific recommendation
[8:21:11] in the letter to the mosque
[8:21:11] leadership was the queens
[8:21:13] chapel intersection to be
[8:21:17] better realigned
[8:21:18] .
[8:21:23] And what MR. Romano actually
[8:21:23] affected the change with what
[8:21:25] he has done
[8:21:25] .
[8:21:26] What he is proposing along
[8:21:31] galveston court.
[8:21:32] In the area of the complex and
[8:21:34] then we talked about internal
[8:21:40] traffic movements the idea of
[8:21:42] not having more traffic on the
[8:21:45] parkway
[8:21:45] .
[8:21:46] I think it is at work in
[8:21:53] progress, but the internal
[8:21:53] traffic movements have been
[8:21:54] optimized as much as the
[8:21:57] applicant could do.
[8:21:58] I think that would help reduce
[8:22:00] the counts on the two
[8:22:04] problematic areas of that
[8:22:11] section.
[8:22:11] we are looking to have
[8:22:13] undisturbed areas with the
[8:22:16] natural slope and natural
[8:22:19] surface trail
[8:22:19] .
[8:22:24] And that was discussed by the
[8:22:25] applicant with the lost creek
[8:22:29] neighbors in the trail when to
[8:22:31] be field cleared with minimal
[8:22:31] clearcutting.
[8:22:34] So these are
[8:22:35] , in the end of the
[8:22:36] conservation easement as well
[8:22:41] .
[8:22:49] A lot of this is coming to pass
[8:22:50] based on his discussion with
[8:22:51] the neighbors and we like to
[8:22:53] see that continue in some
[8:22:56] fashion because this project
[8:23:00] will not be built overnight.
[8:23:01] It will take a while to get in
[8:23:06] place.
[8:23:07] I just wanted to go back to the
[8:23:07] orpa.
[8:23:08] The orpa is designed
[8:23:10] .
[8:23:11] Was on the original committee
[8:23:12] we were trying to meet
[8:23:14] preservation standards
[8:23:14] .
[8:23:18] By the way, I worked on writing
[8:23:22] a paper to the public works
[8:23:23] committee as the chair of the
[8:23:24] federal water quality
[8:23:27] association government affairs
[8:23:30] from the water environment for
[8:23:32] senator mitchell and the
[8:23:36] committee to recommend and be
[8:23:37] established and then they came
[8:23:39] back to the sunshine and
[8:23:47] government act five years later
[8:23:48] and said should the act remain
[8:23:50] or should it go away
[8:23:50] .
[8:23:52] And we recommended that remain
[8:23:55] in place as a permanent
[8:23:57] institution.
[8:24:02] Because we've ecological change
[8:24:03] going on in the area.
[8:24:04] Ecological changes more than
[8:24:07] decades.
[8:24:09] Knew of the local jurisdictions
[8:24:12] that need to work to codify
[8:24:16] things and they were working on
[8:24:20] it.
[8:24:24] That was quite an experience
[8:24:27] working to get preservation by
[8:24:34] act incorporated in congress.
[8:24:35] I did it through the
[8:24:37] professional organization with
[8:24:47] other members of associations.
[8:24:48] Chesapeake, virginia, and
[8:24:49] others picked pennsylvania and
[8:24:51] others
[8:24:52] .
[8:24:53] I do want to say when we were
[8:24:55] pondering the orpa of what it
[8:25:00] should look like, to have it
[8:25:02] function to reduce settlements,
[8:25:05] reduce nutrients and pollutants
[8:25:12] and although that comment and
[8:25:12] be respectful of steep
[8:25:13] slope
[8:25:14] areas, environmentally
[8:25:18] sensitive areas and it shrinks
[8:25:22] well soils, which by the way on
[8:25:23] list if you can see up on the
[8:25:27] charts the staff offered to,
[8:25:28] you had those elements in the
[8:25:30] chart
[8:25:31] .
[8:25:32] And that is the very definition
[8:25:35] of orpa.
[8:25:39] We need to work smartly to be
[8:25:40] considerate of our environment
[8:25:45] and to work expectations for
[8:25:52] performance so we can leave
[8:25:53] that at the foot of the
[8:25:55] developer who says I want to do
[8:25:56] something here on this piece of
[8:26:01] land and staff out of the
[8:26:03] expectations provide to the
[8:26:04] applicant
[8:26:05] .
[8:26:10] It saves time, saves money, it
[8:26:13] seems problems down the road if
[8:26:15] we can be more thoughtful about
[8:26:18] what to do within the orpa.
[8:26:20] I would urge the board to think
[8:26:26] about this MAY be committed
[8:26:27] staff time and funds and have a
[8:26:31] citizen stakeholder group
[8:26:32] discussed that in a thoughtful
[8:26:36] manner and see what elements
[8:26:39] could be incorporated in those
[8:26:40] expectations that you could
[8:26:45] provide others in the future.
[8:26:47] By the way, in the presentation
[8:26:48] he had
[8:26:52] , he talked about the
[8:26:56] horse theme your grave
[8:26:57] institutions in prince william
[8:26:59] county such as the foundation,
[8:27:03] the center for the arts that
[8:27:05] they could take off on the
[8:27:09] horse theme park unit of other
[8:27:15] things involved.
[8:27:16] Might be something for
[8:27:17] discussions in the future if
[8:27:18] you decide to go forward with
[8:27:22] this project and so with that,
[8:27:23] thank you very much and I wish
[8:27:25] you well in your decision.
[8:27:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:27:27] thank you very much.
[8:27:36] Next speaker, please.
[8:27:37] >> Public Speaker: my name is
[8:27:37] andrew.
[8:27:39] I live in the occoquan district
[8:27:39] .
[8:27:40] Been in the area seven months
[8:27:41] now.
[8:27:47] I have four kids myself so this
[8:27:48] was going to be our secluded
[8:27:48] forever home.
[8:27:50] As far away as I could go my
[8:27:54] way from the D.C. Area.
[8:27:55] I would first like to start
[8:27:55] with the development and
[8:27:58] turning the lost creek
[8:28:04] residential area to be three.
[8:28:08] I don't think it is an adequate
[8:28:10] segue from a religious temple
[8:28:23] to a business place to the
[8:28:24] residential place backing to
[8:28:25] nsr 1. Is not respectful of the
[8:28:26] lay of the land and it's going
[8:28:27] to cause more traffic into a
[8:28:29] high density area.
[8:28:30] With that being said, I will
[8:28:30] move on from that.
[8:28:31] People have spoken.
[8:28:37] Rofessionals with the county
[8:28:38] is spoken.
[8:28:39] You people signal about
[8:28:39] environmental, you people
[8:28:40] saying know about school in the
[8:28:42] first presentation 20 citizen
[8:28:43] say no and one say yes and you
[8:28:45] guys still chose to go against
[8:28:45] the professionals and the
[8:28:46] people.
[8:28:49] I ask why
[8:28:50] .
[8:28:51] Location on hoadley regarding
[8:28:53] identities will add traffic and
[8:28:56] more traffic in a tight space.
[8:28:57] We have a mile stretch of
[8:28:58] shopping centers
[8:28:58] .
[8:29:04] Now maple grove park no matter
[8:29:05] what traffic pattern you do,
[8:29:07] it's not going to work.
[8:29:08] We lived in the northern region
[8:29:08] my whole life.
[8:29:16] It is always a disaster
[8:29:17] .
[8:29:18] You are not going to turn three
[8:29:19] lanes into two lanes because
[8:29:20] you were getting the whole
[8:29:20] woodrow wilson bridge effect.
[8:29:21] D.C. To marilyn effect.
[8:29:22] We can do we want to keep
[8:29:23] piling on the high density and
[8:29:23] it's never going to work in all
[8:29:33] your numbers are statistics
[8:29:34] .
[8:29:34] Poor planning and traffic
[8:29:36] circle we keep hearing from the
[8:29:36] development company is I'm
[8:29:37] going to make an additional
[8:29:37] left lane.
[8:29:38] Three left lanes to two, common
[8:29:39] sense does not work.
[8:29:40] Making changes I appreciate
[8:29:42] that but I would expect the
[8:29:43] professional manner those
[8:29:44] changes would be made in the
[8:29:48] presentation suitable for the
[8:29:49] common person to see and
[8:29:50] technologist.
[8:29:52] Otherwise we are green what is
[8:30:04] on the board.
[8:30:05] And I would like to see before
[8:30:06] you guys commit to this is an
[8:30:06] actual plan.
[8:30:07] We have all this ai, all these
[8:30:08] professionals to say it's good
[8:30:09] for the development but what
[8:30:10] about the traffic pattern per
[8:30:11] quarter feasible traffic
[8:30:14] patterns that are going to be
[8:30:15] done by the tax payers were the
[8:30:17] county
[8:30:18] .
[8:30:19] What is that going to be.
[8:30:26] They going to do to solve these
[8:30:26] problems, not to
[8:30:27] mention we have
[8:30:27] another thousand homes being
[8:30:28] built in a two mile radius.
[8:30:29] Like he said, there would be
[8:30:34] additional runoff traffic and
[8:30:35] then returning prince william
[8:30:36] county into fairfax county
[8:30:37] which is an unaffordable place
[8:30:38] for its own self if this is
[8:30:39] going to trickle down
[8:30:44] .
[8:30:45] I would take this time to think
[8:30:46] wisely on making these
[8:30:47] decisions and development in
[8:30:48] certain areas we improve
[8:30:49] certain areas developing other
[8:30:50] areas.
[8:30:51] That is all they will say this
[8:30:52] time.
[8:30:57] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:30:57] thank you.
[8:31:02] Next speaker, please.
[8:31:03] >> Public Speaker: good
[8:31:04] evening.
[8:31:09] My name is julia
[8:31:09] .
[8:31:15] I am in the occoquan district.
[8:31:19] I would like to circle back.
[8:31:22] I've been hearing a lot about
[8:31:23] orpa and the thing I'm most
[8:31:28] concerned about is that in orpa
[8:31:29] it sounded like it recommended
[8:31:37] five acres per one home
[8:31:38] .
[8:31:39] And then we heard also that
[8:31:40] when we had the environment all
[8:31:43] specialist was asked the
[8:31:44] question which would be better
[8:31:45] for orpa
[8:31:45] .
[8:31:49] Five acres per one home or the
[8:31:51] development is currently
[8:31:55] proposed and he said five acres
[8:31:56] per one home.
[8:31:57] That is what was
[8:32:02] in orpa.
[8:32:03] And had been developed over 10
[8:32:07] years with a locked of studies,
[8:32:08] a law that input and those
[8:32:09] recommendations
[8:32:09] .
[8:32:17] It surprises me one developer
[8:32:18] can come in, propose something
[8:32:22] that doesn't match orpa and yet
[8:32:23] this is being seriously
[8:32:24] considered, which would also
[8:32:27] jeopardize the drinking water
[8:32:29] for already the current
[8:32:31] residents who have moved to the
[8:32:39] area because we wanted to have
[8:32:40] areas that were conserved.
[8:32:41] We wanted to have the trees, we
[8:32:42] wanted to have this area
[8:32:43] .
[8:32:44] And when doing this, it's just
[8:32:47] this area that needs to be
[8:32:55] preserved for the watershed.
[8:32:56] We are not saying oh my gosh
[8:32:56] potomac mills is disturbing the
[8:33:00] watershed are these other areas
[8:33:01] , they would be more
[8:33:02] appropriate.
[8:33:04] There are other areas that are
[8:33:09] better suited for
[8:33:09] transportation.
[8:33:10] Here is
[8:33:15] transportation already multiple
[8:33:16] buses going to certain areas
[8:33:19] and then if we would have been
[8:33:20] to redeveloping some of those
[8:33:22] areas
[8:33:23] , that would be better for
[8:33:24] the community
[8:33:30] .
[8:33:30] Currently I live off of hoadley
[8:33:31] road near purcell and I decided
[8:33:40] to try omni ride to.
[8:33:40] It was very discouraging.
[8:33:45] I never could get a ride back
[8:33:45] .
[8:33:49] During a five day period taking
[8:33:51] omni ride I would be able to
[8:33:55] get to work but I would show up
[8:33:59] in one bus would state that the
[8:34:00] time, another bus wouldn't show
[8:34:01] up
[8:34:04] .
[8:34:05] Even if you add a couple of
[8:34:08] buses
[8:34:10] , we don't have a law that
[8:34:10] come through.
[8:34:14] There other areas where people
[8:34:14] able to.
[8:34:23] Here we go to stoneridge and it
[8:34:23] is very small.
[8:34:24] When he of the other buses that
[8:34:33] go near potomac mills
[8:34:34] , those
[8:34:35] buses come so regularly.
[8:34:36] If one driver is unable to
[8:34:37] shall be of another bus did
[8:34:38] another bus of people were
[8:34:43] saying that was not a big deal.
[8:34:44] This is something we are trying
[8:34:46] to plan already in saying we
[8:34:48] are going to rely on buses that
[8:34:49] that would help with the
[8:34:51] traffic
[8:34:52] .
[8:34:53] I just don't see how that's
[8:34:55] going to pick especially when
[8:34:55] there are so many developments
[8:35:03] that have been made or they
[8:35:04] have one entrance.
[8:35:04] This one sounds like it might
[8:35:05] have one other entrance but
[8:35:07] again, it's funneling onto
[8:35:08] hoadley road and estimates
[8:35:14] traffic.
[8:35:14] The other main thing I wanted
[8:35:15] to point out was by changing
[8:35:16] this designation
[8:35:16] .
[8:35:22] Going from agriculture to mu3,
[8:35:27] not keeping in the spirit with
[8:35:27] orpa but it also sounds like we
[8:35:32] have a locked
[8:35:33] , if with this
[8:35:34] change we are creating this
[8:35:39] precedent that will show other
[8:35:46] areas can be chipped away.
[8:35:47] The watershed will continue to
[8:35:48] be degraded by having these
[8:35:54] high density projects right
[8:35:54] next to the watershed.
[8:35:59] Of this is something that can
[8:36:00] happen this time the developers
[8:36:02] remember this and come back
[8:36:07] again and again and by
[8:36:08] properties already and say no
[8:36:11] we are ready to develop this
[8:36:12] and it would to be harder and
[8:36:15] harder to say no.
[8:36:16] Think one of the thing people
[8:36:17] have mentioned is fairfax
[8:36:22] county has also been an example
[8:36:25] of having five acre homes per
[8:36:27] one house
[8:36:29] .
[8:36:30] You can see the area they try
[8:36:33] to protect in the watershed in
[8:36:34] fairfax county just the crossed
[8:36:41] the river has shown it provides
[8:36:42] ample area for the watershed to
[8:36:45] recharge
[8:36:45] .
[8:36:46] And so with that, I urge you to
[8:36:50] oppose the changing of the
[8:36:52] zoning.
[8:36:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:36:53] thank you.
[8:37:09] Next speaker, please.
[8:37:10] >> Public Speaker: hello.
[8:37:10] I live in the coles district.
[8:37:11] We have spoken at length about
[8:37:12] the future tonight so if you
[8:37:13] will allow me would like the
[8:37:24] pause and alternative
[8:37:25] perspective with respect to
[8:37:25] that future.
[8:37:26] I am the father of two young
[8:37:27] beautiful children.
[8:37:27] t took my
[8:37:28] wife and I several years to
[8:37:29] find appropriate housing for
[8:37:29] our family and we wanted to
[8:37:30] live here in prince william
[8:37:31] county.
[8:37:33] Fortunately we found some, but
[8:37:40] many young families like
[8:37:41] ourselves in our generation are
[8:37:42] not as fortunate.
[8:37:43] We are struggling to find
[8:37:43] housing is at a reasonable
[8:37:44] price point and it's no secret
[8:37:48] we are facing a housing crisis.
[8:37:49] People want to be near their
[8:37:50] families in a multigenerational
[8:37:53] presence here in print on them
[8:37:57] county.
[8:37:58] The majority of my wife's
[8:37:58] family are in prince william
[8:38:00] and that's key for us having
[8:38:01] our family nearby to help raise
[8:38:04] our children.
[8:38:05] Often when reasonably priced
[8:38:11] housing as discussed, we are
[8:38:12] told not here because of reason
[8:38:12] x or not there because of
[8:38:13] reason why.
[8:38:15] Or not there because of reason
[8:38:18] z and the end result is there's
[8:38:20] very little suitable space for
[8:38:23] the reasonably priced housing
[8:38:29] the message becomes no one
[8:38:29] else's welcome to continue
[8:38:30] renting because the
[8:38:31] american
[8:38:31] dream is not for you.
[8:38:34] You own nothing and you will be
[8:38:35] happy.
[8:38:35] We are at risk of becoming a
[8:38:42] transient county where young
[8:38:42] families are subscribing to
[8:38:43] live just because it is within
[8:38:44] a manageable district
[8:38:44] .
[8:38:45] If you want homeownership the
[8:38:50] message becomes no
[8:38:50] .
[8:38:51] Spend more time communing and
[8:38:59] less time with their family.
[8:38:59] understand there are many
[8:39:00] factors contributing to the
[8:39:01] housing crisis one of those
[8:39:02] that supply and that is a key
[8:39:08] the board distal control over.
[8:39:09] It is within your power to do
[8:39:10] your part in reining in these
[8:39:10] runaway home
[8:39:14] prices.
[8:39:15] Looking at hoadley square I see
[8:39:20] a proposal that sets a strong
[8:39:20] standard for environmental
[8:39:21] protection and has adequate
[8:39:24] funds proffered to support
[8:39:26] transportation education.
[8:39:27] Just as important and means
[8:39:29] warehousing for young families
[8:39:30] who want to call prince william
[8:39:33] home
[8:39:33] .
[8:39:34] Not just some transient
[8:39:35] location where we subscribe to
[8:39:38] limburg am asking the board of
[8:39:42] supervisors to invest in the
[8:39:43] vision of a county where people
[8:39:44] can continue to lead on the
[8:39:46] roots.
[8:39:51] Not just a place they lead so
[8:39:52] they can take their kids to
[8:39:52] mosaic.
[8:39:54] Did not just a place where you
[8:39:57] a are a perpetual tenant.
[8:39:59] Hoadley squirt and I request
[8:40:02] the honorable board of
[8:40:03] supervisors vote in favor of
[8:40:04] the conference of plan
[8:40:05] amendment and the rezoning.
[8:40:08] Thank you.
[8:40:09] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:40:12] before I get to the next
[8:40:13] speaker I want to make sure I
[8:40:13] call the next few.
[8:40:14] So I've richard.
[8:40:17] Nathan higgins
[8:40:19] .
[8:40:24] [Name]
[8:40:28] Thank you.
[8:40:31] [Name]
[8:40:33] Kevin parker
[8:40:35] .
[8:40:39] [Name] If you can all go to the
[8:40:41] back.
[8:40:43] And then I will have the next
[8:40:53] speaker come up.
[8:40:53] Spoke on jonathan higgins,
[8:40:58] nathan higgins father.
[8:40:59] It's a school night so school
[8:41:07] starts in seven hours or so.
[8:41:08] He is getting up in seven hours
[8:41:09] so I am here on his behalf.
[8:41:09] Ot going to try to retell
[8:41:10] what nathan told you.
[8:41:11] You heard about his concerns
[8:41:12] with the school capacity in the
[8:41:17] traffic capacity and they are
[8:41:18] the same concerns on the
[8:41:19] project here.
[8:41:22] Item I would like to bring up
[8:41:24] is that b3 zoning
[8:41:26] .
[8:41:31] I look at that is a different
[8:41:32] area than the rest of the
[8:41:32] project.
[8:41:38] I'm concerned with the orpa I
[8:41:39] don't support that but the
[8:41:44] zoning a particular hate to use
[8:41:45] the word offensive, but I would
[8:41:51] use that word.
[8:41:52] The idea homes can be bought in
[8:41:53] the neighborhood and rezoned
[8:41:54] out from under you to
[8:41:58] commercial space, convenience
[8:41:58] store, whatever the different
[8:41:59] ideas have been
[8:42:03] .
[8:42:06] Thinking lot of us in this room
[8:42:07] lives in a community that
[8:42:07] doesn't have an hoa that
[8:42:11] doesn't protect us from the
[8:42:14] sort of intrusion.
[8:42:19] Purchased the home my realtor
[8:42:20] looked at not
[8:42:20] having hoa being a
[8:42:24] positive thing.
[8:42:25] Never realized there is no
[8:42:26] organization or by laws
[8:42:30] protecting me from having homes
[8:42:33] converted and rezoned.
[8:42:34] That is why we rely on mute to
[8:42:35] prevent zoning and things of
[8:42:38] that nature to maintain the
[8:42:43] public confidence that if you
[8:42:50] move into a neighborhood it is
[8:42:51] not going to become a
[8:42:52] convenience store and at the
[8:42:52] convenience store doesn't work
[8:42:53] out become a smoke shop like I
[8:42:55] have seen in some of the other
[8:42:57] neighborhoods were mixed use
[8:43:02] zoning was allowed in the
[8:43:03] businesses failed.
[8:43:06] With that I ask you to vote no
[8:43:06] .
[8:43:10] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:43:11] thank you.
[8:43:15] Next speaker, please.
[8:43:16] >> Public Speaker: good
[8:43:19] evening.
[8:43:20] It will be good morning soon.
[8:43:22] Neabsco district but I did live
[8:43:26] across from this project for
[8:43:31] many years.
[8:43:32] In queens dale estates today
[8:43:33] there is a property in the
[8:43:36] market for 950,000.
[8:43:37] Most properties when I lived in
[8:43:40] the area were 500, 550.
[8:43:49] And basically it has doubled
[8:43:50] that's what's happening in the
[8:43:51] area.
[8:43:52] For me this is the most storm
[8:43:52] desirable area.
[8:43:53] That last barrier between
[8:43:54] eastern prince william county
[8:43:59] and manasses area.
[8:44:00] Realistically at the end of the
[8:44:01] day, and this is still a
[8:44:03] suburban area often measure
[8:44:04] road at a major intersection in
[8:44:08] prince william pkwy.
[8:44:09] , we have here is a property
[8:44:12] that is attached to this major
[8:44:14] route and that the development
[8:44:18] is going.
[8:44:18] What it does all this instead
[8:44:20] having homes at 950,000 the
[8:44:26] lack of supply, there are five
[8:44:26] homes in the entire area
[8:44:27] between trenton road and
[8:44:28] richfield available-for-sale.
[8:44:33] rom prince william pkwy.
[8:44:34] To dale boulevard, the entire
[8:44:35] square if you guys can have the
[8:44:36] mental imagery, it is five
[8:44:44] homes that are for sale in the
[8:44:44] entire area.
[8:44:45] Hat's what we
[8:44:45] have had for the last couple
[8:44:46] years.
[8:44:46] We need to solve is a supply
[8:44:47] issue.
[8:44:50] We need 2000 homes in the
[8:44:51] region to solve some format of
[8:44:54] what we have.
[8:44:59] What the impact for me here.
[8:45:01] And live off dale boulevard
[8:45:04] that is one of only parks and
[8:45:10] trails you can access walking
[8:45:10] .
[8:45:13] There is nothing.
[8:45:16] From dale boulevard to prince
[8:45:20] william pkwy.
[8:45:21] And there's no sidewalks and no
[8:45:23] access to any kind of amenities
[8:45:24] .
[8:45:26] For me what this creates is a
[8:45:29] movable, walkable community
[8:45:30] where I have a sidewalk that
[8:45:33] connects to hoadley.
[8:45:34] It creates trails I can
[8:45:39] actually walk
[8:45:40] .
[8:45:41] If you guys are aware, there is
[8:45:48] nothing in the area.
[8:45:48] There is no nature, there's no
[8:45:49] walkable communities.
[8:45:50] For me that's one of the
[8:45:54] biggest potential impacts for
[8:45:54] me.
[8:45:55] I think the applicants have
[8:45:56] done a great job lowering the
[8:45:57] density so there is a lot of
[8:45:58] density pick what they are
[8:45:59] doing is bringing density that
[8:46:01] matters and they are creating
[8:46:06] better product
[8:46:06] .
[8:46:07] With the maple dale proposal
[8:46:08] you have a lot of these high
[8:46:15] density, smaller homes this
[8:46:16] type of product brings livable
[8:46:17] townhomes, usable townhomes.
[8:46:18] I personally hate the
[8:46:30] reloading, kind of four levels
[8:46:30] .
[8:46:31] Data house you can have a
[8:46:32] modest space in, have a
[8:46:33] townhouse that has a garage,
[8:46:33] have a driveway so you are not
[8:46:35] in these communities where one
[8:46:35] car can come in, one car can
[8:46:36] come out.
[8:46:37] The community design has been
[8:46:37] great, the public area is
[8:46:38] great.
[8:46:39] I don't know of any other
[8:46:40] developer in the region that
[8:46:43] would do what they can for the
[8:46:44] public and that's the biggest
[8:46:48] difference between the
[8:46:49] development versus others the
[8:46:51] fact that there is additional
[8:46:52] parking, the fact they are
[8:46:54] relining the road.
[8:47:02] I go across that every friday.
[8:47:02] The misalignment has been so
[8:47:03] many incidents there.
[8:47:04] Having the ability to pull
[8:47:05] traffic away and have a public
[8:47:14] road that goes into their
[8:47:14] having the access to galveston.
[8:47:15] Not only is it going to support
[8:47:17] the businesses, all the people
[8:47:17] leaving other friday, but it
[8:47:18] will pull a lot of the traffic
[8:47:19] away from the intersection of
[8:47:31] queens dale.
[8:47:31] So those are major points.
[8:47:33] If you look at the current farm
[8:47:34] that's the majority of the
[8:47:34] developable area.
[8:47:35] It is really a minor area, in
[8:47:36] additional seven acres.
[8:47:37] But the majority is going to be
[8:47:45] preserved and I know that if a
[8:47:46] huge concern but this is a
[8:47:46] suburban area off of the major
[8:47:56] road at a major intersection
[8:47:59] .
[8:48:00] That is it for me.
[8:48:00] i would ask you to approve it.
[8:48:01] It is going to be huge impact
[8:48:02] and will bring a lot of people
[8:48:02] that can live and work here.
[8:48:10] Would add one thing.
[8:48:10] For me every single community
[8:48:11] amenity have to drive to.
[8:48:12] I used to do a lot of sports.
[8:48:13] Have to go to fairfax to have
[8:48:14] that environment or community
[8:48:21] center.
[8:48:22] Is nothing like that here and a
[8:48:23] lot of times we need the
[8:48:24] density.
[8:48:25] We need the density to support
[8:48:26] community events, community
[8:48:27] activities and programs.
[8:48:31] We need the density to create
[8:48:31] jobs in the area and have the
[8:48:40] jobs be local versus having to
[8:48:41] go to D.C. Or arlington and
[8:48:41] same thing for retail.
[8:48:42] We need density to support
[8:48:45] long-lasting retail in our area
[8:48:46] versus we get half-baked ideas
[8:48:46] over here that last a couple
[8:48:52] years and they fizzle out.
[8:48:53] With all that I would ask you
[8:48:54] vote for approval on this
[8:48:54] project.
[8:48:55] Thank you.
[8:48:57] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:49:04] next speaker, please.
[8:49:05] >> Public Speaker: kevin
[8:49:11] parker, neabsco district.
[8:49:14] I'm here to urge you to vote
[8:49:18] against this.
[8:49:19] We need to balance the values
[8:49:23] of housing and the other
[8:49:24] environmental values that we
[8:49:27] have.
[8:49:28] But we tend to do with water
[8:49:32] issues like in the book I read,
[8:49:37] a civil action talking about
[8:49:38] the pollution in woburn
[8:49:39] massachusetts and exposed
[8:49:40] talking about the pollution in
[8:49:41] west virginia
[8:49:42] .
[8:49:43] intends to cause a big problem.
[8:49:44] And later go we have a big
[8:49:48] problem we have to fix the
[8:49:48] problem.
[8:49:52] It is better to instead with
[8:49:53] water situations is to say
[8:49:57] let's try to have a situation
[8:50:00] beforehand and not worry about
[8:50:07] the problem after it happens.
[8:50:07] Was mentioned about this is a
[8:50:09] small area in comparison of the
[8:50:15] watershed.
[8:50:17] Say we want to protect the
[8:50:21] occoquan nonstick to the rules
[8:50:24] is like saying you want to lose
[8:50:31] weight but not today.
[8:50:32] Today in comparison to the will
[8:50:34] of everything is not really
[8:50:37] consequential.
[8:50:38] I don't think it's realistic to
[8:50:42] think people will use public
[8:50:49] transit from this location.
[8:50:50] The commuting will get worse it
[8:50:51] will be the same issue the
[8:50:55] gentleman that spoke for it was
[8:50:56] talking about traveling in from
[8:50:57] outside the county.
[8:50:59] You
[8:51:02] increase the time on the road
[8:51:02] .
[8:51:04] A lot of people can't be at
[8:51:07] these meetings and all the
[8:51:09] people will be stuck in traffic
[8:51:15] on old bridge the parkway.
[8:51:16] Eventually the story would have
[8:51:19] to be told that the decisions
[8:51:20] that led to the situation of
[8:51:21] living and sitting in traffic
[8:51:22] and how it happened.
[8:51:28] It we developed on the edge
[8:51:29] over the decades the
[8:51:33] development moved from 95
[8:51:34] marching out in the manassas
[8:51:34] direction.
[8:51:40] What we decided to
[8:51:40] do instead having the density
[8:51:41] that people do want to, we said
[8:51:44] okay we want to have this dense
[8:51:45] development on the edge of the
[8:51:46] pattern for I've lived here for
[8:51:50] decades as the emerging among
[8:51:55] old bridge over the years.
[8:51:55] All the arguments I have heard
[8:52:03] are persuasive I think I think
[8:52:08] these are strong arguments that
[8:52:08] argue in favor of voting
[8:52:12] against this project.
[8:52:13] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:52:15] before we get to the next
[8:52:15] speaker I want to call up my
[8:52:16] next group.
[8:52:17] I have.
[8:52:23] [Name]
[8:52:23] , allie and a guy named
[8:52:24] chris griffin said he wanted to
[8:52:34] sign up?
[8:52:34] All right.
[8:52:35] And that is it for in person.
[8:52:36] If all of you can go up.
[8:52:36] >> Public Speaker: good
[8:52:36] evening.
[8:52:37] I am.
[8:52:40] [Name] I have been in part in
[8:52:41] this area since 1995 so for the
[8:52:44] last 30 years I've lived in
[8:52:49] manassas, manassas park and I
[8:52:50] live in bristow as part of the
[8:52:51] gainesville district.
[8:52:51] First I would like to thank all
[8:52:53] of you county staff and
[8:53:01] everyone involved such as
[8:53:02] trenton project area.
[8:53:03] I strongly support the project
[8:53:04] as it represents responsible
[8:53:04] growth of benefits local
[8:53:11] community in the county.
[8:53:12] In the past 30 years I've seen
[8:53:13] housing demand and supply and
[8:53:14] how it impacted on an
[8:53:14] individual.
[8:53:15] As many of us know currently
[8:53:16] into significant housing
[8:53:20] shortage.
[8:53:20] My daughter working full-time
[8:53:21] for the past three years is
[8:53:26] struggling to find a home
[8:53:26] .
[8:53:27] Increasing the housing supply
[8:53:28] is crucial to addressing rising
[8:53:37] costs.
[8:53:38] as we know from the principal
[8:53:39] limited supply and how demand
[8:53:39] drive up prices.
[8:53:40] This is exactly what's
[8:53:41] happening in our area.
[8:53:41] By improving the project we can
[8:53:43] take a significant step toward
[8:53:44] meeting communities need.
[8:53:44] We look forward to receiving
[8:53:45] approval for the project.
[8:53:46] Thank you.
[8:53:47] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:53:57] next speaker, please.
[8:53:58] >> Public Speaker: good
[8:53:58] evening.
[8:53:59] And then number in the
[8:54:02] community since 2010.
[8:54:03] Here to talk about the housing
[8:54:04] affordability.
[8:54:08] As a parent I'm concerned about
[8:54:09] the limited options available
[8:54:13] to the young graduate
[8:54:14] .
[8:54:15] I strongly support the project
[8:54:19] and urge you to approve it.
[8:54:24] More housing means more
[8:54:25] opportunities for our children
[8:54:26] to stay in the community they
[8:54:26] grew up in.
[8:54:30] Let's work together to build a
[8:54:35] bright future for our families
[8:54:36] with forward to receiving your
[8:54:37] approval for this project
[8:54:37] .
[8:54:38] Thank you.
[8:54:39] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[8:54:47] next speaker, please.
[8:54:51] >> Public Speaker: five minutes
[8:54:52] later it would've been good
[8:54:56] morning.
[8:54:56] My name is.
[8:54:57] [Name] I would request to give
[8:54:59] me a little more time because
[8:55:00] I'm going to mention something
[8:55:01] that is not just what everyone
[8:55:02] else said that will open your
[8:55:05] eyes in terms of other aspects
[8:55:13] .
[8:55:14] I've lived directly across from
[8:55:14] the
[8:55:15] horse farm the subdivision
[8:55:17] that has 60 houses.
[8:55:20] Unfortunately than builders we
[8:55:21] are providing the space for
[8:55:22] community for folks to come in
[8:55:25] and enjoy time.
[8:55:26] They didn't do anything for the
[8:55:27] subdivision.
[8:55:31] I wish the county did they
[8:55:32] proffer and out a little bit a
[8:55:38] land for a parker something.
[8:55:39] Was here and mentioned the only
[8:55:43] place where the kids can go, we
[8:55:47] go to dar alnoor.
[8:55:51] We have swings literally
[8:55:57] nothing on this area.
[8:55:58] I'm excited about it.
[8:56:04] Because one of the reasons for
[8:56:09] us to go somewhere is a park
[8:56:11] like that, there's a walk
[8:56:14] around in depend elementary.
[8:56:14] In fact, one time I didn't know
[8:56:19] that and I took my children
[8:56:20] over there and the principal
[8:56:21] came out running saying we can
[8:56:22] be here during school hours
[8:56:23] even though there was nobody
[8:56:25] using it.
[8:56:26] That is the frustration that we
[8:56:26] feel.
[8:56:29] Anyway, moving on the reason I
[8:56:33] wanted extra time was we all
[8:56:37] grabbed a word but I can
[8:56:40] guarantee you I didn't think I
[8:56:42] think the folks here today.
[8:56:47] Thank you executive shorter.
[8:56:48] Thank you to the chairperson
[8:56:49] other folks being here past
[8:56:58] midnight and listening to us
[8:56:59] babbling for going back to what
[8:57:00] I insane, the buzzword we all
[8:57:01] cite arpa but go ask the
[8:57:02] residents 90 percent of even
[8:57:02] know what it is.
[8:57:03] The reason I'm saying this
[8:57:11] right now is what is it really.
[8:57:12] Never in the history of man
[8:57:13] kind putting a dam on the river
[8:57:14] has been beneficial to the
[8:57:14] natural life but we are calling
[8:57:18] out supervisors and you made a
[8:57:19] commitment that you're going to
[8:57:23] protect the natural life.
[8:57:24] If you protect arpa you are not
[8:57:40] protecting the natural life.
[8:57:41] It's like a fountain, water
[8:57:41] content and there is a bucket
[8:57:42] next to it.
[8:57:44] The runoff goes into the bucket
[8:57:45] supervisors, would you drink
[8:57:46] out of the water faucet or the
[8:57:49] bucket?
[8:57:50] I would not drink out of the
[8:57:50] bucket.
[8:57:52] I would drink out of the water
[8:57:56] faucet but guess what?
[8:57:57] We have polluted parliament
[8:57:58] reversal unit is supervisors
[8:57:59] look at the bigger picture
[8:57:59] because it we are looking at
[8:58:04] this chunk of land in talking
[8:58:04] our heart out.
[8:58:06] Look at the bigger picture and
[8:58:09] say we will clean up the river,
[8:58:10] the state go unfenced going to
[8:58:11] clean up all that.
[8:58:15] It right of the river which is
[8:58:20] dirty, which is nasty and
[8:58:21] trying to fix it is not going
[8:58:22] to work for trying to fix it is
[8:58:25] almost like asking executive
[8:58:26] shorter up the tree behind him,
[8:58:27] can you please water that kenny
[8:58:31] put some light on it.
[8:58:32] It's not going to work out.
[8:58:35] That is almost like that.
[8:58:36] Trying to fix something that is
[8:58:43] broken and we are all out here.
[8:58:44] We have heard a lot of folks
[8:58:45] talk about a joint that not
[8:58:45] having an hoa that the land is
[8:58:47] taken away and reasons.
[8:58:48] We have heard the planning
[8:58:48] commission folks coming and
[8:58:58] satan snakes are getting into
[8:58:59] the home because of the
[8:58:59] subdivisions on the building
[8:58:59] that's
[8:59:00] going to happen.
[8:59:01] That's not going to happen.
[8:59:02] but I want to say right now,
[8:59:02] which other folks haven't
[8:59:03] talked about, is in 2021 there
[8:59:04] was a resettlement.
[8:59:08] Which is
[8:59:09] what I told him the planning
[8:59:09] commission hearing as well.
[8:59:12] They were brought over here, I
[8:59:13] am a veteran so they help those
[8:59:21] overseas.
[8:59:21] We try to resettle them over
[8:59:22] here.
[8:59:23] Housing prices so high like the
[8:59:23] gentleman side almost $1
[8:59:24] million so they cannot purchase
[8:59:27] a home in this area.
[8:59:28] Until these townhouses going
[8:59:30] in, they are more reasonable in
[8:59:32] price as opposed to
[8:59:34] single-family homes on this
[8:59:36] area and then there is bidding
[8:59:40] even though I don't believe in
[8:59:41] critical race theory but some
[8:59:42] of my friends are like that
[8:59:42] kinda sounds like it when you
[8:59:44] have single-family homeowners
[8:59:45] bidding on housing and you have
[8:59:47] low income folks that can't get
[8:59:50] in here in this area.
[8:59:51] One thing I will mention to you
[8:59:54] is these folks, like I said
[8:59:57] there are many folks you will
[8:59:59] see them on MARCH 29.
[9:00:07] Is it MARCH 29
[9:00:08] .
[9:00:08] There would be 10,000 folks
[9:00:09] every batch that will come in
[9:00:10] from almost 30,000 folks that
[9:00:10] will come in here.
[9:00:11] These are the same folks
[9:00:12] another expensive areas in the
[9:00:18] movement in this area.
[9:00:19] So you are actually providing a
[9:00:20] means for the people to stay
[9:00:20] here.
[9:00:20] Come election time I can
[9:00:21] guarantee these folks, I
[9:00:23] request you to come on that
[9:00:25] need and tell them that we
[9:00:32] approved it, but the housing
[9:00:33] happened and so you can move
[9:00:34] into the housing cheaper homes
[9:00:35] compared to the single-family
[9:00:36] million dollar homes and we can
[9:00:39] thank us for that.
[9:00:39] And I can guarantee you they
[9:00:42] will thank you for that.
[9:00:42] Thank you.
[9:00:44] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:00:44] thank you so very much.
[9:00:51] Next speaker, please.
[9:00:52] >> Public Speaker: hello
[9:00:54] everybody.
[9:01:02] I am not your average joe, but
[9:01:03] I am your average chris.
[9:01:03] My name is chris griffin.
[9:01:04] I am currently a coles
[9:01:06] resident.
[9:01:07] , 40+ year born and raised
[9:01:15] print will end county
[9:01:15] competent.
[9:01:16] My parents raised me, went to
[9:01:17] the school systems to show my
[9:01:17] age.
[9:01:18] I have a 22-year-old who still
[9:01:20] lives with us, which is fine.
[9:01:23] I was the first graduating
[9:01:23] class of forest park high
[9:01:26] school when it was brand-new.
[9:01:30] Go bruins.
[9:01:36] I grew up in montclair.
[9:01:37] About that thanks to live in
[9:01:38] most of the jurisdictions up
[9:01:38] there I want to thank the
[9:01:41] county supervisors
[9:01:41] , county
[9:01:42] attorney, and the county
[9:01:49] executive.
[9:01:51] I know you guys don't get
[9:01:52] recognition often so thank you.
[9:01:53] I passed by the horse farm for
[9:01:53] a long time.
[9:01:57] I took my wife there many
[9:01:58] times.
[9:01:58] Are small son.
[9:01:59] It was a great time.
[9:01:59] It's become a landmark for
[9:02:11] prince william county.
[9:02:11] But I want you to know.
[9:02:12] I can hear the title and some
[9:02:13] of the papers going something
[9:02:13] like this.
[9:02:14] County approves new rezoning
[9:02:14] opening
[9:02:15] for development but
[9:02:16] wait, there's more.
[9:02:18] New residents will get a
[9:02:20] courtesy cut through
[9:02:20] recommended for the police to
[9:02:23] direct for hundreds of traffic,
[9:02:24] but only on fridays.
[9:02:25] Hoa clubhouse signage
[9:02:25] .
[9:02:32] Comes with us on fridays and
[9:02:33] start traffic going past our
[9:02:33] white picket fences what we
[9:02:36] discussed dues and inspections.
[9:02:37] By improving the rezoning your
[9:02:37] opening pandora's box and
[9:02:40] arrive over making prints
[9:02:41] within county more unaffordable
[9:02:44] for middle-class constituents.
[9:02:45] A lot of people are not staying
[9:02:46] and retiring
[9:02:46] .
[9:02:49] I have the luxury of being able
[9:02:53] to work with a lot of people my
[9:02:54] small business, some even in
[9:02:58] the room has clients and old
[9:02:58] friends.
[9:02:59] It's a pitch.
[9:03:00] You need to understand your
[9:03:00] stats.
[9:03:02] Sources are saying there are 75
[9:03:11] undeveloped properties in
[9:03:12] prince william county.
[9:03:13] Thousand homes are currently
[9:03:13] for sale.
[9:03:14] There are approximately 1500
[9:03:15] homes available for rent the.
[9:03:16] I think we should focus on some
[9:03:21] of that and try to make those
[9:03:21] obtainable for existing
[9:03:22] residents and encouraging them
[9:03:22] to come in.
[9:03:23] Average new house cost is
[9:03:25] $600,000
[9:03:25] .
[9:03:26] We don't have an available home
[9:03:35] option for some.
[9:03:36] we don't have an availability,
[9:03:36] in available home option.
[9:03:37] We have an available
[9:03:38] affordability option at the
[9:03:39] cost of others in long-term
[9:03:39] residence.
[9:03:40] In regards to the young
[9:03:41] gentleman up
[9:03:46] here, 10 percent
[9:03:47] of his age are going to be able
[9:03:47] to afford of that magnitude on
[9:03:51] a single income.
[9:03:51] Since jr real estate comes from
[9:03:53] fairfax, prince william county
[9:04:04] is a land grab pick they are
[9:04:04] experts, but you need to
[9:04:05] understand everybody in the
[9:04:06] room, we are experts up in
[9:04:07] constituents and
[9:04:07] residents of
[9:04:08] prince william county.
[9:04:08] You need to listen to us.
[9:04:09] We are all here, it's late,
[9:04:10] some
[9:04:12] of us have work in the morning
[9:04:12] , some of us don't.
[9:04:13] Jr
[9:04:18] specializes in entitlement
[9:04:19] specializations include
[9:04:20] rezoning, encumbrance and plan
[9:04:23] amendments, special use permits
[9:04:24] and subdivision and site
[9:04:24] planning, by right
[9:04:24] entitlements,
[9:04:25] proffer amendments
[9:04:27] .
[9:04:28] Group acts as a bridge between
[9:04:31] landowners national builders
[9:04:32] taken the risk of entitlement
[9:04:39] procedures before selling and
[9:04:40] ready to build development.
[9:04:41] Who knows what's going to
[9:04:41] change once it goes through.
[9:04:42] Time and time again we have
[9:04:49] seen the estimated cost go
[9:04:51] higher and higher from what
[9:04:52] staff originally tells you what
[9:04:52] developers or buyers would tell
[9:04:53] you it's going to cost.
[9:04:53] We have seen that time and time
[9:04:55] again where you've been
[9:04:56] misinformed or you have been
[9:04:57] lied to.
[9:04:58] Whether on purpose or
[9:05:01] indirectly, I don't know
[9:05:01] .
[9:05:04] Let's find actual local prince
[9:05:07] william county groups
[9:05:08] developers to work for our own
[9:05:09] area and build our own area.
[9:05:13] Support local businesses to do
[9:05:14] the bidding for you.
[9:05:16] I enjoy being a long-term
[9:05:20] resident and I think because we
[9:05:24] all know the situation for the
[9:05:25] current course farm, there's a
[9:05:26] lot of smart people in the
[9:05:26] county.
[9:05:27] If it is something that is one
[9:05:32] to do, I think the county board
[9:05:33] and people in the area should
[9:05:34] come together and help the farm
[9:05:42] owner if they want to stay and
[9:05:42] allow her to stay and afford
[9:05:43] where she is at and take care
[9:05:44] of the horses rather than
[9:05:45] selling it to a community
[9:05:47] developer.
[9:05:47] Or find somebody who will buy
[9:05:50] it and keep it as a horse farm.
[9:05:50] This a lot of people involved
[9:05:52] in the county were smart and
[9:05:54] willing and able to do that
[9:05:54] .
[9:05:55] I know you can find somebody to
[9:05:59] do that rather than building
[9:05:59] and building and building
[9:06:02] piglets make things more
[9:06:02] affordable.
[9:06:04] I appreciate everyone's time.
[9:06:09] Thank you so much for being
[9:06:10] here and I hope we can come
[9:06:11] together now that we all know
[9:06:13] what's happening.
[9:06:14] It's a historic, I'm going to
[9:06:19] say historic landmark.
[9:06:20] And remember it as a kid.
[9:06:21] I loved it.
[9:06:21] Hate to see it
[9:06:21] go.
[9:06:22] i don't think people will be
[9:06:24] happy about watching traffic
[9:06:25] come through a new subdivision
[9:06:26] only on fridays
[9:06:28] .
[9:06:32] Thank you.
[9:06:33] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:06:37] next speaker, please.
[9:06:38] >> Public Speaker: good
[9:06:42] evening.
[9:06:45] I live in neabsco district.
[9:06:46] I've been living there for more
[9:06:51] than 15 years
[9:06:51] .
[9:06:52] We always think me and my wife
[9:06:53] and two beautiful kids always
[9:06:55] thinking to relocate to this
[9:07:03] area because we attend dar
[9:07:03] alnoor.
[9:07:04] We always bring kids here in
[9:07:05] prince william county to sport
[9:07:12] activity running and we always
[9:07:14] have a challenge finding the
[9:07:19] community center as well in the
[9:07:21] area.
[9:07:23] I can spend time with my kids
[9:07:30] doing sport activity.
[9:07:31] And also looking for affordable
[9:07:35] housing here and I am here
[9:07:42] tonight to support the
[9:07:43] department and I want to thank
[9:07:48] you as well.
[9:07:49] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:07:50] thank you so very much.
[9:07:54] Do we have anyone online
[9:07:54] .
[9:07:55] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[9:07:56] let's check and see.
[9:07:57] Do we have anyone online,
[9:07:57] chris?
[9:08:00] >> the one person we did have
[9:08:01] online has dropped out.
[9:08:03] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[9:08:05] okay.
[9:08:06] Incorporated you for your
[9:08:08] assistance.
[9:08:08] Have a good night.
[9:08:11] Back to you, MADAM Chair.
[9:08:13] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:08:18] thank you so very much.
[9:08:19] i'm going to close the public
[9:08:20] hearing for agenda items 13 b
[9:08:23] and sc
[9:08:24] .
[9:08:25] I would like the applicant and
[9:08:26] staff to be prepared to ask
[9:08:29] additional questions based off
[9:08:30] of what they heard and I do
[9:08:30] have a question for the
[9:08:31] applicant.
[9:08:44] If you can come up.
[9:08:45] We have heard doctor jack had
[9:08:46] asked for a courtesy review.
[9:08:47] I would also like to see one in
[9:08:47] medco.
[9:08:48] Is that something applicant is
[9:08:57] willing to do?
[9:08:57] >> yes.
[9:08:59] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:09:01] I guess this is for staff.
[9:09:01] We have been hearing a lot
[9:09:02] about identity.
[9:09:02] There was a mention
[9:09:03] for maple
[9:09:03] valley grove that was more
[9:09:03] suburban.
[9:09:04] When I think of identity I
[9:09:05] think of the mark of
[9:09:05] alexandria.
[9:09:06] That's a very dense, urban
[9:09:08] multifamily
[9:09:09] .
[9:09:10] What is the difference if you
[9:09:11] can say between suburban high
[9:09:12] density.
[9:09:13] How would you define the
[9:09:14] difference.
[9:09:20] >> can look at the
[9:09:20] comprehensive plan.
[9:09:21] E have
[9:09:22] six categories.
[9:09:24] The top is the one that can
[9:09:33] support the highest level of
[9:09:34] transit which is our
[9:09:35] high-capacity transit like our
[9:09:36] vre stations in the sixes 100+
[9:09:37] dwelling units per acre.
[9:09:41] The next category is 5 to 50
[9:09:47] and per bus rapid transit or
[9:09:50] some other kind of transit.
[9:09:54] and so at the transit service
[9:09:55] level goes down, the density
[9:09:57] goes down.
[9:09:59] We are talking about three,
[9:10:02] which is a suburban moderate
[9:10:08] density that doesn't need
[9:10:10] intense transit for service.
[9:10:14] It doesn't support with
[9:10:15] high-capacity transit.
[9:10:20] And so it is not high density
[9:10:21] .
[9:10:24] I would say hi density our
[9:10:26] transect five and six.
[9:10:27] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:10:28] supervisor boddye.
[9:10:30] >> Kenny Boddye: dave, don't go
[9:10:34] too far.
[9:10:35] There's been talk about the
[9:10:36] line of where it should
[9:10:36] start,
[9:10:37] where it shouldn't start, what
[9:10:41] tributaries and waterways it
[9:10:41] feeds to.
[9:10:43] There's a discussion about the
[9:10:43] body of water on the frontage
[9:10:51] of the horse farm right now.
[9:10:51] Could you talk about that and
[9:10:52] from a planners perspective
[9:10:53] where the lines are drawn what
[9:10:54] that means and larger
[9:10:54] perspective?
[9:11:01] >> first the comprehensive plan
[9:11:03] is a guide it.
[9:11:05] We would like to use a big fat
[9:11:07] crayon to draw those lines.
[9:11:10] Since we use a computer to draw
[9:11:11] them they end up being much
[9:11:14] more precise then we intend
[9:11:16] them to be.
[9:11:18] But generally the orpa line was
[9:11:21] following the watershed line we
[9:11:21] had mapped.
[9:11:23] We have that map
[9:11:25] for the whole county.
[9:11:27] Different watersheds and
[9:11:31] subwatersheds.
[9:11:34] Those were developed on usgs
[9:11:36] quad topo topography.
[9:11:44] Those are not super accurate
[9:11:45] and we always want those things
[9:11:47] to be field verified at the
[9:11:48] site plan when they come down
[9:11:48] to it.
[9:11:49] Where the real line is for the
[9:11:51] watershed really needs to be
[9:11:53] determined at a later date.
[9:11:57] That's why I say we use a big
[9:12:04] crayon and we use it as a guide
[9:12:05] and not as a precise
[9:12:05] measurement is not the best way
[9:12:06] to use it.
[9:12:08] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you for
[9:12:13] that did the applicant want to
[9:12:15] add anything to that piece
[9:12:15] based on their own findings?
[9:12:16] Hey were looking at the site
[9:12:16] and
[9:12:19] analysis.
[9:12:21] >> yes.
[9:12:22] So the applicant actually
[9:12:25] looked at the county map and
[9:12:31] looked at what dcr has on their
[9:12:32] map and ultimately it would be
[9:12:48] field verified.
[9:12:49] To the left is prince william
[9:12:51] county watershed map onto the
[9:12:55] right is the dcr a watershed
[9:13:00] map so this is the amount
[9:13:01] .
[9:13:02] There this a more updated and
[9:13:04] accurate then prince william
[9:13:06] county mapper
[9:13:07] .
[9:13:09] If you look at the map, it goes
[9:13:15] like this
[9:13:16] .
[9:13:17] It was hard to see so what we
[9:13:17] did was we mapped it ourselves
[9:13:19] using the county percentage
[9:13:20] .
[9:13:26] And so county mapper has 10
[9:13:29] acres going to neabsco creek.
[9:13:33] The dcr malpass 12 acres going
[9:13:36] to the neabsco creek.
[9:13:37] Our environmental consultant
[9:13:40] that the review of what would
[9:13:42] be required at the sign of site
[9:13:45] plan and determine is probably
[9:13:50] 2 to 3 percent more going to
[9:13:51] neabsco that would be verified
[9:13:52] at the time a site plan and
[9:13:53] submitted to the county for
[9:13:58] review.
[9:13:59] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:14:01] supervisor vega?
[9:14:10] >> Yesli Vega: follow-up for
[9:14:10] dave.
[9:14:11] Winded that county discovered
[9:14:12] these lines aren't, and they
[9:14:17] quote, super accurate?
[9:14:18] >> I don't know what you mean
[9:14:20] by discovered.
[9:14:21] >> Yesli Vega: this is the
[9:14:22] first time I've heard about
[9:14:23] this.
[9:14:26] >> the applicant brought that
[9:14:31] to our attention last week.
[9:14:32] >> Yesli Vega: the applicant
[9:14:33] brought it to her attention
[9:14:37] last week and now the position
[9:14:38] is lines are not super
[9:14:39] accurate?
[9:14:45] Got it.
[9:14:52] I have a question for jonelle.
[9:14:53] When did the commercial
[9:14:53] component get added in the
[9:15:00] process?
[9:15:05] >> I believe it was the third
[9:15:06] submission.
[9:15:07] >> Yesli Vega: it was that
[9:15:08] before or after the request and
[9:15:08] what was the reason for it
[9:15:10] again?
[9:15:14] >> the zoning ordinances when
[9:15:15] you have a pmr over 50 acres
[9:15:19] you have to provide an area of
[9:15:21] nonresidential
[9:15:21] .
[9:15:24] With the commercial area in the
[9:15:30] pmr district
[9:15:32] , the only area
[9:15:33] permitted is b3.
[9:15:34] We understand the encumbrance
[9:15:41] of blame when we look at zoning
[9:15:42] designations they have it is
[9:15:42] implementing.
[9:15:43] The pmr district the
[9:15:44] implementing commercial is b3
[9:15:45] and thus the least intense
[9:15:46] commercial use.
[9:15:49] but we do commit to doing is
[9:15:52] the area is specifically says
[9:15:53] the use, the residential
[9:15:53] , the
[9:15:58] home should remain as a
[9:16:00] residential use
[9:16:04] .
[9:16:04] This remains as a residential
[9:16:08] use and this is the b3 areas of
[9:16:09] the lost creek folks have the
[9:16:13] residential use remains in me
[9:16:14] of the buffers and undisturbed
[9:16:19] open space area.
[9:16:20] >> Yesli Vega: you are saying
[9:16:23] it is a need to?
[9:16:24] I don't know dave if you want
[9:16:30] to come up.
[9:16:31] I'm struggling with this
[9:16:32] because the staff report
[9:16:33] highlights the addition of
[9:16:34] commercial use is incompatible
[9:16:37] with the designation.
[9:16:37] We don't know what type of
[9:16:41] commercial development has
[9:16:42] come.
[9:16:42] We have been given a list of
[9:16:50] potentials, but it adds to the
[9:16:51] discussion of what is going to
[9:16:54] be thrown into the reservoir.
[9:16:56] So I am a little confused.
[9:16:58] Can you help clarify my
[9:17:04] confusion?
[9:17:08] >> some of that area is being
[9:17:10] changed to mu3 but some of that
[9:17:13] area was not in the initiated
[9:17:15] comprehensive plan amendment
[9:17:15] .
[9:17:25] That is why it doesn't reflect
[9:17:26] the orpa.
[9:17:26] It's not going to be changed by
[9:17:27] the comprehensive plan
[9:17:28] amendment because it wasn't
[9:17:33] included in the original
[9:17:34] property boundary we use to
[9:17:35] initiate the comprehensive plan
[9:17:38] amendment and we can't change
[9:17:38] what was initiated.
[9:17:40] Therefore
[9:17:42] that remains a orpa and
[9:17:48] therefore cobra analyzed it as
[9:17:51] if it was still orpa.
[9:17:59] >> Yesli Vega: talking about
[9:18:00] the and faxed to school,
[9:18:01] hounded we calculate the
[9:18:02] monetary contributions?
[9:18:06] What formula
[9:18:06] .
[9:18:08] How did we land 490 SEPTEMBER
[9:18:15] 06, 2020 I believe?
[9:18:16] >> as part of the application
[9:18:17] you have to do a proper impact
[9:18:17] analysis
[9:18:19] .
[9:18:24] The state code says you can
[9:18:25] only mitigate your inbox via
[9:18:26] monetary contributions for
[9:18:31] schools, fire and rescue
[9:18:32] ,
[9:18:32] police, parks and recreation.
[9:18:33] It also says if there is not a
[9:18:36] plan in the cip to address the
[9:18:39] lack of something so if there's
[9:18:40] not a plan to address the lack
[9:18:45] of schools or new school coming
[9:18:46] online you don't mitigate your
[9:18:47] impacts
[9:18:47] .
[9:18:51] That is basically see one
[9:18:52] ticket then says he can look
[9:18:53] and offer what the developer
[9:18:54] sees as reasonable.
[9:18:56] Where to
[9:19:02] company that does the proper
[9:19:02] impact analysis.
[9:19:03] They look at the number of
[9:19:19] schools and they do their
[9:19:20] calculation in order to tell us
[9:19:21] what is a reasonable amount for
[9:19:22] the monetary level of service
[9:19:23] and that's how we came up with
[9:19:23] that number.
[9:19:24] >> Yesli Vega: I'm not going to
[9:19:25] ding the applicant for that
[9:19:26] because I don't think it's
[9:19:27] appropriate but it is in their
[9:19:29] fine example of poor planning
[9:19:29] and moving projects without
[9:19:30] addressing underlying issues.
[9:19:31] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:19:32] does anyone else have any
[9:19:32] additional questions?
[9:19:34] Thank you so much.
[9:19:34] With that, supervisor boddye.
[9:19:37] >> Kenny Boddye: it is my
[9:19:37] understanding that some folks
[9:19:41] MAY feel differently and so I'm
[9:19:42] going to do them separately of
[9:19:52] folks don't mind.
[9:19:53] I move 13 b for approval.
[9:19:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:19:54] all right.
[9:19:55] It has been properly moved and
[9:19:55] seconded.
[9:19:56] Any discussion on this?
[9:19:57] Upervisor vega?
[9:19:58] >> Yesli Vega: since you
[9:20:00] offered, why not.
[9:20:00] Why not.
[9:20:04] Here we are again.
[9:20:05] The door has been opened and
[9:20:06] it's not going to be closed and
[9:20:07] I want you to remember this for
[9:20:11] those who are pro and against.
[9:20:12] This is the standard being set
[9:20:13] by the majority who decides to
[9:20:16] vote for this project.
[9:20:16] For the cpa initiation.
[9:20:23] I will reserve my comments for
[9:20:24] the rezoning that is about to
[9:20:25] follow.
[9:20:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:20:27] does anyone else have any
[9:20:27] comments?
[9:20:27] All right.
[9:20:28] I would like to call for the
[9:20:31] vote.
[9:20:46] >> thank you supervisor angry.
[9:20:47] >> motion passes 6/2
[9:20:48] supervisors gordy and vega
[9:20:48] voting no.
[9:20:50] >> Kenny Boddye: if you don't
[9:20:52] mind I also move 13c for
[9:20:52] approval.
[9:20:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:20:58] 13c has been moved and
[9:20:59] seconded.
[9:20:59] I see supervisor boddye, you
[9:21:00] are first.
[9:21:04] >> Kenny Boddye: one, wanted to
[9:21:05] thank all the residents who
[9:21:05] came out tonight.
[9:21:08] I know it has been a long
[9:21:08] night.
[9:21:09] It is now morning.
[9:21:10] Welcome the wednesday morning
[9:21:12] everyone.
[9:21:13] Want to think staff of the work
[9:21:14] they have done this.
[9:21:17] I know we have gone through a
[9:21:18] long journey with this.
[9:21:20] As was said before
[9:21:20] , you went
[9:21:21] and did the work anyone above
[9:21:25] and beyond the applicant.
[9:21:26] Iterated to, he went to the
[9:21:30] community, you came back.
[9:21:31] From where is started and where
[9:21:32] we are now, and a 35 percent
[9:21:40] reduction from your first
[9:21:41] submission.
[9:21:42] Not only did you lower the unit
[9:21:43] themselves, he lowered the
[9:21:44] intensity of their multifamily
[9:21:44] units, you have a lot of
[9:21:49] denser units and now we are at
[9:21:49] a much more suburban type
[9:21:53] development that keeps a lot
[9:21:54] more with the community asked
[9:21:55] for.
[9:21:58] I also wanted to commend you
[9:21:59] for offering at various times
[9:22:00] trying to figure out ways to
[9:22:02] mitigate other issues you had
[9:22:04] no control over and you didn't
[9:22:07] necessarily have a play into.
[9:22:07] You have that initial
[9:22:08] connection that wanted to give
[9:22:09] them another way to get out and
[9:22:13] turn left without having to sit
[9:22:16] there that they're one way in
[9:22:18] and out.
[9:22:18] I know that we had a joint
[9:22:20] community event with them
[9:22:20] , they
[9:22:22] rejected that and so you moved
[9:22:24] on from that
[9:22:24] .
[9:22:32] I wanted to thank the community
[9:22:33] continuing to meet with me in
[9:22:34] my office.
[9:22:35] we had quite a few different
[9:22:35] meetings around the proposal
[9:22:43] and we heard you.
[9:22:44] I do not see this as a death of
[9:22:45] a thousand cuts as has been
[9:22:45] remarked.
[9:22:46] I see this is a bridge linking
[9:22:47] existing residential religious
[9:22:48] uses to major employment center
[9:22:49] in the government complex.
[9:22:51] Infill protects more land, not
[9:22:56] less.
[9:22:57] Wanted to talk about traffic.
[9:22:58] What is different here.
[9:22:59] There significantly more
[9:23:00] contributions for the project
[9:23:02] and the other one
[9:23:03] .
[9:23:04] If you talk about this
[9:23:11] holistically, I agree with you
[9:23:11] these two projects link
[9:23:12] together.
[9:23:13] There are interpersonal
[9:23:14] connections and roadway network
[9:23:14] which we get the folks another
[9:23:16] way out other than galveston
[9:23:16] court.
[9:23:21] Those things fit together.
[9:23:21] Folks will be able to in talks
[9:23:22] with both applicants there will
[9:23:24] be conversations about joint
[9:23:25] use agreement so this will not
[9:23:30] be just one isolated community.
[9:23:31] This will be enlisted
[9:23:31] community.
[9:23:32] I pushed so hard
[9:23:32] to make sure the projects came
[9:23:37] in on the same night.
[9:23:38] I know and appreciate the
[9:23:38] constituent who shared her
[9:23:39] story about not being able to
[9:23:40] get home pick a number of us on
[9:23:43] the board sit on the on the
[9:23:43] right commission.
[9:23:44] That's the type of feedback we
[9:23:53] need because no one should take
[9:23:53] a bus and have an omni ride bus
[9:23:54] to take them back home so that
[9:23:55] is feedback we can use and it
[9:23:56] underscores the fact there's a
[9:23:57] lot more work we need to do
[9:23:58] around making sure our internal
[9:23:58] traffic network as it pertains
[9:24:02] to transit is better
[9:24:02] .
[9:24:03] You should be able to ride to
[9:24:08] work the ride back and so I
[9:24:11] hear you and appreciate that.
[9:24:12] I also wanted to hone in on the
[9:24:15] water quality for a second
[9:24:20] .
[9:24:21] Folks are right protecting the
[9:24:21] occoquan reservoir is not an
[9:24:22] option.
[9:24:25] The guidance exists there when
[9:24:26] the case matters is the
[9:24:27] rezoning includes protection
[9:24:28] that currently does not exist
[9:24:29] under the current zoning
[9:24:35] ordinance.
[9:24:36] We are still working to get
[9:24:36] there.
[9:24:37] We have at meetings around it,
[9:24:38] we'd meetings around updating
[9:24:39] the zoning ordinance to meet
[9:24:40] the need for the moment,
[9:24:42] however, there are things I
[9:24:43] wanted to highlight that meet
[9:24:45] the moment.
[9:24:45] Well testing.
[9:24:46] I've heard a lot about folks on
[9:24:47] the wells
[9:24:47] .
[9:24:50] The folks to the west and the
[9:24:51] folks to the north.
[9:25:02] I hear you on wells in the
[9:25:02] applicant has committed to well
[9:25:03] testing.
[9:25:03] Baseline afterwards to make
[9:25:04] sure they are not adversely
[9:25:05] impacting peoples wells.
[9:25:06] If there's any indication they
[9:25:06] are they will make people hold.
[9:25:09] That is in their
[9:25:09] .
[9:25:10] High-performance storm water
[9:25:11] management, jellyfish
[9:25:16] filtration.
[9:25:17] Works.
[9:25:17] Low impact development are.
[9:25:22] they are not buying credit
[9:25:22] somewhere else to offset the
[9:25:23] fact they are polluting the
[9:25:24] water there.
[9:25:24] They are doing the right thing
[9:25:25] there.
[9:25:30] Last thing they will say is I
[9:25:30] hear only you that pertains to
[9:25:34] the change this represents I'm
[9:25:37] not dismissing anyone's input.
[9:25:37] We've been applying it to the
[9:25:50] last two years
[9:25:51] .
[9:25:51] This record shows the plan is
[9:25:52] changed to because residents
[9:25:53] showed up.
[9:25:53] Fewer units, less intense
[9:25:54] buildings increase protections
[9:25:56] unenforceable proffers pick my
[9:25:57] job is to weigh the full public
[9:25:58] interest, neighborhood impacts
[9:25:58] on water quality, the county
[9:25:59] long-term plan were jobs and
[9:26:02] services are growing.
[9:26:02] This connects to a larger
[9:26:03] picture on what the county
[9:26:04] center will be in
[9:26:04] the next 20
[9:26:04] years.
[9:26:05] Ll the other
[9:26:11] proposals that have, crossed to
[9:26:12] put density elsewhere and
[9:26:13] outward we brought them here to
[9:26:14] this part of it so you don't
[9:26:16] have it further out
[9:26:16] .
[9:26:23] Thank you MADAM Chair.
[9:26:24] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:26:25] supervisor vega?
[9:26:26] >> Yesli Vega: thank you to
[9:26:35] everyone who showed up.
[9:26:35] We often get put in between a
[9:26:36] rock and hard place when
[9:26:37] developers come to
[9:26:37] the office we
[9:26:38] talk about projects having to
[9:26:39] make financial sense.
[9:26:40] We don't know the breakdown of
[9:26:43] the details of their financial
[9:26:45] so we take their word for it.
[9:26:49] as a county supervisor, my job
[9:26:51] is to make sure my constituents
[9:26:54] interests are represented in
[9:26:55] the land use application that
[9:26:56] comes before my desk.
[9:26:58] Why do I highlight that?
[9:26:58] It's very important.
[9:26:59] While they understand
[9:27:02] developers need to make money,
[9:27:11] you should not put a price on
[9:27:12] something as basic as a human
[9:27:13] right when it comes to having
[9:27:13] access to clean water.
[9:27:14] No amount of credits, no amount
[9:27:15] of proffers can guarantee that
[9:27:16] get in that.
[9:27:20] It is frustrating when we have
[9:27:21] applications come before the
[9:27:22] board be presented to the
[9:27:23] community that can be better
[9:27:29] that the district supervisor
[9:27:30] can work harder to improve and
[9:27:31] that is the most frustrating
[9:27:32] part about this entire process
[9:27:33] is our job is elected officials
[9:27:34] is to meet the applications
[9:27:44] better to buy bringing your
[9:27:45] concerns to the discussion
[9:27:45] table this a lot about the
[9:27:46] project I like.
[9:27:47] I like the different types a
[9:27:48] housing, like the product type.
[9:27:52] But at the end of the day how
[9:27:53] do we solve the overcrowding
[9:27:54] issue and issues with traffic
[9:27:57] how do we resolve the issues of
[9:27:58] adding additional strains to
[9:27:59] our public services
[9:27:59] .
[9:28:03] It comes down to the density.
[9:28:05] Is never the willingness to
[9:28:11] meet in the middle because
[9:28:12] there is always that we had to
[9:28:13] make money, and asked to make
[9:28:14] financial sense and we as a
[9:28:17] board have to figure that out
[9:28:17] .
[9:28:18] It is my opinion that the
[9:28:20] community should not be forced
[9:28:22] into an either or scenario
[9:28:26] between housing and clean water
[9:28:27] we talk about trying to solve
[9:28:29] one problem by creating so many
[9:28:30] more in this is a reality we
[9:28:37] faced for a long time and in
[9:28:38] many ways it's ridiculous I
[9:28:39] have to keep saying the fact
[9:28:40] folks are not opposed to
[9:28:40] growth.
[9:28:42] We have the second largest
[9:28:43] county in the, will the
[9:28:45] virginia.
[9:28:47] Is a reason people want to come
[9:28:52] and we can tackle the
[9:28:53] affordable housing crisis, we
[9:28:54] can tackle that overcrowding,
[9:28:55] we can tackle the crumbling
[9:28:56] infrastructure if we are
[9:29:01] serious about doing it.
[9:29:02] This is going to pass but the
[9:29:03] simple promise to you all.
[9:29:03] 'm
[9:29:12] going to continue to be a hawk
[9:29:13] when it comes to sustainability
[9:29:14] measures, when it comes to
[9:29:15] talks about the environment and
[9:29:16] how we put additional
[9:29:17] protections because we can't
[9:29:18] have it both ways pick we
[9:29:18] cannot continue to speak out of
[9:29:19] both sides of our mall and we
[9:29:20] care about the environment in
[9:29:20] its entirety or we don't.
[9:29:22] Or we don't
[9:29:22] .
[9:29:24] It is that simple.
[9:29:36] It is that simple.
[9:29:37] I think the applicant for
[9:29:38] meeting with me, but this cake
[9:29:39] was already baked because I
[9:29:40] asked about density and asked
[9:29:41] if we could talk about that and
[9:29:42] the answer was no because the
[9:29:42] district supervisor had already
[9:29:43] brought into what the district
[9:29:44] supervisor brought to me.
[9:29:45] We had to be serious about
[9:29:46] negotiate to make projects
[9:29:46] better.
[9:29:49] I believe in poverty rates in
[9:29:50] my heart breaks for the
[9:29:50] landowners to give every right
[9:29:51] to sell your property but it's
[9:29:53] my job to ensure I look at
[9:29:55] things holistically, while you
[9:29:56] are going to sell your property
[9:30:02] and probably move out of the
[9:30:03] area, of debate attention to
[9:30:03] those of us who remain here and
[9:30:04] for those who are to follow so
[9:30:05] I will be voting no for those
[9:30:08] reasons.
[9:30:09] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:30:10] thank you.
[9:30:10] Supervisor boddye.
[9:30:11] >> Kenny Boddye: not going to
[9:30:16] go back and forth for as it
[9:30:17] pertains to the motion itself
[9:30:18] there was a courtesy review
[9:30:18] requested.
[9:30:19] I want to make sure county
[9:30:20] staff updated the proffers.
[9:30:21] >> the proffers have been
[9:30:29] updated to include the courtesy
[9:30:29] review.
[9:30:30] >> Kenny Boddye: I want to
[9:30:31] restate my motion to be
[9:30:31] proffers dated
[9:30:32] 12/17/2025.
[9:30:33] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:30:38] do I need a second since we are
[9:30:38] updated it?
[9:30:40] Properly moved and seconded.
[9:30:41] Is there any further
[9:30:42] discussion?
[9:30:44] Upervisor bailey
[9:30:44] .
[9:30:45] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I
[9:30:45] will be brief.
[9:30:57] I wanted to thank the citizens
[9:30:58] who came out and spoke on
[9:30:58] behalf -- lend their voice to
[9:30:59] how I feel about this.
[9:31:00] I totally agree you are
[9:31:01] entitled to good clean water,
[9:31:02] but all are entitled to have
[9:31:03] sheltered to have good homes to
[9:31:08] live in.
[9:31:08] And obtainable housing to live
[9:31:09] in.
[9:31:09] verybody in prince
[9:31:11] william county and that's what
[9:31:12] we are focused on to make sure
[9:31:16] everybody who lives here wants
[9:31:17] to be or can raise their
[9:31:20] families here and could afford
[9:31:21] to live here and have a decent
[9:31:21] life
[9:31:26] .
[9:31:27] That is something nationally
[9:31:28] everyone is suffering from.
[9:31:31] How do we do that?
[9:31:32] We do that by making sure the
[9:31:36] comprehensive plan is holistic
[9:31:36] ,
[9:31:41] totally holistic as we grow and
[9:31:42] we have no control on how we
[9:31:44] grow.
[9:31:45] We've been growing a long time
[9:31:50] under old rules and old housing
[9:31:50] and so we need affordable
[9:31:51] housing, obtainable housing.
[9:31:56] Not just section 8 housing.
[9:31:57] We need housing.
[9:32:02] I commend the developer for
[9:32:03] working with the staff to make
[9:32:04] sure there's a little bit in
[9:32:06] the pot for everybody.
[9:32:08] Thank you so much for your
[9:32:12] ability to think brought her.
[9:32:13] We respect that and appreciate
[9:32:14] that.
[9:32:17] We don't always agree, but we
[9:32:20] come to the center as much as
[9:32:21] we can for everybody and that's
[9:32:23] essential.
[9:32:23] So thank you to the citizens
[9:32:30] for coming out on speaking, but
[9:32:31] you're right is also deaf
[9:32:31] shelter.
[9:32:32] Thank you MADAM Chair.
[9:32:37] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:32:37] all right.
[9:32:38] Is there anyone else?
[9:32:38] All right then.
[9:32:39] Let's go ahead.
[9:32:39] I would like to take the vote.
[9:32:41] >> Victor Angry: yes.
[9:32:48] >> thank you, sir.
[9:32:48] Motion passes 7/1 supervisor
[9:32:50] vega voting no.
[9:32:56] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:32:56] thank you so very much.
[9:32:57] Just so everyone knows we are
[9:32:58] going to go into public comment
[9:33:01] time.
[9:33:01] After we do public comment time
[9:33:02] we still have an item we have
[9:33:03] to discuss in session.
[9:33:07] After that we will come out and
[9:33:07] certify and at that time we can
[9:33:11] adjourn.
[9:33:12] If anyone is a betting person,
[9:33:15] I am saying to weigh in.
[9:33:19] Public comment time.
[9:33:21] All right.
[9:33:23] I'm going to let people file
[9:33:30] out.
[9:33:33] Goodbye alex.
[9:33:35] All of you.
[9:34:16] We know you.
[9:34:17] All right everyone.
[9:34:17] E have
[9:34:20] two people signed up in person.
[9:34:23] MR. Clancy and eileen johnson.
[9:34:26] We haven't seen you in a long
[9:34:29] time.
[9:34:33] All right.
[9:34:34] >> Public Speaker: are we
[9:34:36] ready?
[9:34:48] MADAM CHAIRMAN?
[9:34:48] Okay.
[9:34:49] Have a couple things I want to
[9:34:50] bring up and citizens time.
[9:34:51] First of all, I brought this up
[9:34:52] before but I keep on until I
[9:34:53] hear something positive about
[9:34:55] it.
[9:34:56] We need a county policy what we
[9:34:57] are going to do with school
[9:34:58] board property when it is
[9:34:59] turned back from the developer
[9:35:00] by the school system.
[9:35:03] I have proposed before the
[9:35:06] policy should be the priority
[9:35:08] should be community gardens
[9:35:08] .
[9:35:10] We have a shortage of places
[9:35:14] where people can increase the
[9:35:20] densities all over the place.
[9:35:20] this idea of the county getting
[9:35:24] involved using taxpayer money
[9:35:28] repair foundation the
[9:35:33] geotechnical work was not done
[9:35:35] is absurd.
[9:35:38] That is what second mortgages
[9:35:40] are for.
[9:35:41] Going to be hard on this thing
[9:35:42] if you decide you want to use
[9:35:43] the tax money to fix somebody's
[9:35:49] foundation.
[9:35:54] Three, required data centers in
[9:35:56] the development standards form
[9:35:57] to use geothermal cooling.
[9:36:06] If
[9:36:07] we make them do geothermal
[9:36:08] cooling it will stop using our
[9:36:09] public water supply to cool the
[9:36:09] things and send it down the
[9:36:11] road to be retreated in sewage
[9:36:17] treatment plant.
[9:36:18] My last one is I will bring
[9:36:22] this up again.
[9:36:22] We need a county ordinance for
[9:36:26] noise on vehicles because these
[9:36:27] guys are running around
[9:36:39] demonstrating
[9:36:39] .
[9:36:40] You can hear them six blocks
[9:36:41] away with the noise they make.
[9:36:42] Mongomery county has put noise
[9:36:43] monitors and the issue tickets
[9:36:44] to people for doing that kind
[9:36:44] of stuff.
[9:36:48] And you have the
[9:36:48] authority to do it down here
[9:36:49] and we can do something about
[9:36:50] the disturbance in the
[9:36:51] neighborhoods and thank you
[9:36:55] very much for taking a moment
[9:36:55] to listen to this.
[9:36:56] GOD bless you all, merry
[9:36:56] christmas
[9:36:57] .
[9:36:58] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:36:58] thank you so much.
[9:37:09] Next speaker, please.
[9:37:11] >> Public Speaker: hello.
[9:37:16] How are you?
[9:37:17] You didn't respond back.
[9:37:17] how are you.
[9:37:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:37:19] we are wonderful.
[9:37:21] We can barely hear you.
[9:37:23] >> Public Speaker: I'm getting
[9:37:25] rusty.
[9:37:27] Is that better?
[9:37:29] Good to be back.
[9:37:31] Good morning.
[9:37:32] My name is I in johnson then I
[9:37:35] am from the woodbridge
[9:37:36] district.
[9:37:37] This morning I stand before you
[9:37:40] as a wife and mother and
[9:37:41] relentless advocate for foster
[9:37:42] families and foster children in
[9:37:45] prince william county.
[9:37:46] For 33 months you've heard this
[9:37:46] before but I will keep
[9:37:50] repeating it.
[9:37:50] In 28 days we had the honor of
[9:37:52] loving a child affectionately
[9:37:52] known as bumpy.
[9:37:53] Bumpy was not just a child in
[9:37:56] our care, bumpy was family.
[9:37:57] A sweet little boy.
[9:37:57] E was
[9:37:59] deeply loved
[9:38:00] , cherished with
[9:38:01] everyday and help close in our
[9:38:07] hearts.
[9:38:07] My husband as well as my
[9:38:08] children and I was pregnant
[9:38:12] twice while advocating.
[9:38:13] What happened to my family was
[9:38:14] absolutely horrible.
[9:38:14] Instead of support we faced
[9:38:15] retaliation.
[9:38:19] We were left at outside the
[9:38:20] courtroom by dss workers, yes
[9:38:20] we were.
[9:38:25] Someone reached out to me and
[9:38:26] took bumpy from me and laughed.
[9:38:27] Dss workers, this was under
[9:38:30] your watch MR. Shorter.
[9:38:31] We were mocked accused of
[9:38:31] becoming foster parents just
[9:38:32] for money.
[9:38:35] My family actually lost about
[9:38:36] $30,000 to date advocating for
[9:38:42] bumpy but we did it for money.
[9:38:43] MR. Shorter, to this day those
[9:38:44] accusations remain uncorrected.
[9:38:44] The prince william county
[9:38:45] department of social services
[9:38:55] even went out of their way
[9:38:56] , I
[9:38:57] promise you, after I spoke
[9:38:57] initially at public comment.
[9:38:58] I don't know if I have said
[9:38:59] this before, to make sure we
[9:39:00] were no longer allowed to be
[9:39:01] foster parents.
[9:39:01] He of the pageantry of having
[9:39:02] dss workers posted up online
[9:39:03] saying how much you care about
[9:39:04] foster families, but when I
[9:39:10] spoke at public comment my
[9:39:11] family was no longer allowed to
[9:39:12] be foster parents.
[9:39:12] Today I heard the board talk
[9:39:13] about programs to support
[9:39:15] families and children
[9:39:15] , but what
[9:39:16] good of the programs when the
[9:39:18] system punishes families like
[9:39:19] my own and don't protect the
[9:39:22] foster children.
[9:39:23] What good of the programs when
[9:39:24] families are silenced for
[9:39:25] speaking out.
[9:39:26] And will continue to speak, MR.
[9:39:28] Shorter, I told you that.
[9:39:31] Our lives, our fight is not in
[9:39:34] vain.
[9:39:34] It is not in vain when I helped
[9:39:35] take bumpy in the night when he
[9:39:40] cried to.
[9:39:41] It was not in vain when we make
[9:39:42] sure bumpy had close on his
[9:39:43] back, food on the table and
[9:39:44] support in school.
[9:39:44] It was not in vain when I
[9:39:46] gained legal knowledge skills I
[9:39:49] never had before but needed and
[9:39:52] use now to protect my family.
[9:39:53] It is not in vain when I
[9:39:56] navigate for a 504 plan and an
[9:39:57] iep when I've advocate for my
[9:40:03] children MAY speak with parents
[9:40:04] about autism and what it truly
[9:40:05] means.
[9:40:06] First corinthians 1558.
[9:40:09] Therefore my blood brethren and
[9:40:14] sisters, be steadfast and
[9:40:15] immovable, always abounding in
[9:40:16] the work of the lord knowing
[9:40:17] that your labor of love is not
[9:40:19] in vain.
[9:40:20] I stand here today steadfast,
[9:40:20] unmovable.
[9:40:21] What is it morning?
[9:40:25] Did fast and unmovable.
[9:40:26] Knowing my labor of love for
[9:40:31] bumpy was not in vain.
[9:40:32] MR. Shorter, I have said this
[9:40:33] to you for nearly 3 years to
[9:40:34] hold you accountable for what
[9:40:37] was done to my family.
[9:40:38] This is not about policy, this
[9:40:39] is about transparency, dignity
[9:40:40] and children who deserve
[9:40:46] better.
[9:40:47] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:40:47] thank you.
[9:40:48] Do we have anyone available
[9:40:49] online?
[9:40:49] There is no one online.
[9:40:50] What we are going to do, we are
[9:41:43] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:41:55] get the votes up.
[9:41:56] >> supervisor vega?
[9:42:00] >> Yesli Vega: yes.
[9:42:00] >> thank you.
[9:42:02] Vote unanimous supervisor angry
[9:42:04] absent from vote.
[9:42:06] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:42:09] we have a resolution.
[9:42:09] Hold on.
[9:42:16] I kindly ask we refrain from
[9:42:17] sidebar conversation so we can
[9:42:17] get out of here.
[9:42:18] Supervisor gordy.
[9:42:19] >> Tom Gordy: I would like to
[9:42:24] move that the county executive
[9:42:25] send a letter on behalf of the
[9:42:26] board of county supervisors to
[9:42:27] met dominion in the state
[9:42:29] corporation commission stating
[9:42:30] that the board of county
[9:42:31] supervisors is concerned with
[9:42:32] all proposed lines of the
[9:42:35] nokesville to bristow
[9:42:35] , want to
[9:42:37] be call it in this
[9:42:39] .
[9:42:42] Project.
[9:42:42] Sharing concern to the
[9:42:43] constituents impacted by the
[9:42:49] proposed route and encourage
[9:42:49] dominion in the state
[9:42:50] corporation commission to
[9:42:51] underground the lines and for
[9:42:52] the county attorney to assist
[9:42:53] with the review of the letter.
[9:42:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:42:59] second.
[9:42:59] I will take the second.
[9:43:00] Any additional discussion?
[9:43:05] If not let's go ahead.
[9:43:12] --
[9:43:13] >> vote unanimous.
[9:43:14] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:
[9:43:14] moved to adjourn.
[9:43:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:43:18] second.
[9:43:19] There is already a motion for
[9:43:20] adjournment and it has been
[9:43:30] properly seconded.
[9:43:33] >> supervisor gordy?
[9:43:35] Thank you.
[9:43:36] Vote unanimous.
[9:43:37] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:
[9:43:37] thank you.
[9:43:40] This is our last meeting of the
[9:43:42] year.
[9:43:42] Happy holidays all.