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[0:00] To the practice like board meeting for September 14th, to get off, please join me for the pledge allegiance.
[0:09] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States and the United States and the jury public, for which it stands, one nation, under that individual, with liberty and justice.
[0:29] A motion would be in order to approve the agenda.
[0:34] So, second,
[0:39] knee changes,
[0:42] all those in favor, knee-posed, motion passes unanimously and
[0:49] motion be in order to approve the August 24th, select board meeting minutes.
[0:54] So, second,
[0:59] all those in favor, knee-posed, motion passes unanimously, is anyone online that
[1:07] I'd like to speak under public comment.
[1:15] Right, hearing none.
[1:17] We'll move on, or to somebody else have anything.
[1:20] Just to again, fall for us full September 26th from 11-2-3.
[1:28] So, worked that down on the calendar?
[1:29] And I did get a, I got a few people actually thanking us
[1:33] for the last concert we had that they had at the time.
[1:36] I think that was excellent.
[1:38] So, and I also got a thank you card from them, thanking us
[1:41] have a cup. Oh, that's nice, I know. It's changed. All right, every hand opportunity to sign those.
[1:57] So there is the final job for the winner's snow and ice clearing operations in your packet.
[2:07] So, the updates that we talked about at the last meeting, I mean, hopefully I didn't miss anything.
[2:15] Albert.
[2:16] Did I miss anything?
[2:17] Oh, you're looking for a motion?
[2:19] No, no, no.
[2:20] Are there any changes, concerns?
[2:24] I think I can.
[2:25] I'll say that, you know, I like it.
[2:27] You know, it's been short and it's concise.
[2:30] I think it's good.
[2:32] So what I'll just do is put the date, if you do approve it, yeah, I'll just put the dates in, and then give, have it.
[2:39] I'll seal the assignment. It's the top book, that's the assignment.
[2:44] Thank you guys. So if there's now issues, a mushy would be in order.
[2:49] See that we adopt the revised and as presented,
[2:57] winter snow and ice clearing operation policy.
[3:04] All right.
[3:05] All right.
[3:05] All those in favor?
[3:06] All right.
[3:07] Any opposed?
[3:09] Motion passes unanimously.
[3:13] In your pocket, just for information,
[3:15] are the planning commission updates to zoning regulations through view and look at if you want a copy of the zoning regulations with some of these changes in that you can ask duty to print it out for you and we'll put it on the next meeting to discuss and go over
[3:36] Bear? Bear? Bear? Yes. I need to include the whole thing because it's like what 70
[3:40] something pays off. Yeah, I like. So if you want this and I will want it, I would
[3:47] like it not in the packet because in three days we can't review a set of items.
[3:52] How about tonight? How many people would like it? I don't even list. Okay. And so we'll
[4:05] of these changes already in it, all right?
[4:07] Yeah, it has, it's a red line version.
[4:10] Yeah, there's one that's not red line.
[4:12] So I'll give you the red line one.
[4:14] Is that what you want?
[4:15] Yeah, look at this.
[4:16] No, look.
[4:17] Yeah, there.
[4:19] What is that they gave us on this sheet?
[4:21] Those were older.
[4:23] Yeah, and then they revised it.
[4:24] And then they revised it again last meeting last week.
[4:28] Oh, so there might be some that are different.
[4:32] That's why it's good to have both things to look at, but I'm guessing you want the red line from
[4:39] Yeah, and if we could at the next meeting kind of come with prepared to say yeah, you're an A2S so that when they're next
[4:46] Sure, I agree for it to that
[4:49] All right, so GD on me cut up and then I'm sure to be ready this week for it
[4:57] All fine time for a coffee
[4:58] okay. Um, informational dump days going to be on October 3rd from 9 to 1. We had really talked
[5:08] about it. I think that's probably coming into people we're calling about it. And it's weird
[5:13] because when I, I didn't know, but I looked in the budget and it looks like we'll be okay for one
[5:18] more at least. Okay. Now, um, maybe comes spring and we can't afford it, but for now we'll
[5:25] it and when I checked with them with the solid waste they had a down for September 26th and I
[5:31] don't know where they got that date that was for the house of this stuff yeah so and I said
[5:36] though we don't we normally do it the first week in October so yeah I wanted to confirm with them
[5:41] first so then they changed it to October 3rd so now I can order the roll-off so how's your
[5:47] waste still be there yes and I was wondering about moving it because I thought it'd be better
[5:53] earlier. Instead of going late in the morning, so there are there from 11 to 1 I believe.
[6:00] Okay. And I was wondering if the guys could just do like 9 to because I think we've
[6:05] been doing it 10 to 2 and I forgot how many does that.
[6:10] It's a double date card in this case.
[6:12] And they didn't have any, you know, and I'm like 9 or 9.
[6:14] Yeah, so I think you will.
[6:15] Just because they get to that early.
[6:18] So do I do it 9 to 1?
[6:20] Yeah.
[6:20] Yeah, I think that's probably homecoming the only way.
[6:26] So, alright.
[6:28] Probably earlier.
[6:29] So, nine to one.
[6:30] I would say.
[6:31] And then Houser's fleeces there went a lot of to one.
[6:36] Okay.
[6:37] That way they both close up kind of the same time.
[6:39] And then next meeting, can we get to this out earlier this time that we use every time
[6:46] or after what you can do.
[6:47] But yeah, because that's going to be the next and what it's the same every time it is
[6:53] But if we have that and if you had can we put on there the tickets 20 dollars
[6:59] What ever that is? Yeah, I'll print up the tickets and I'll print up the list because honestly
[7:04] I don't know if they handed out the list with people when they come get that ticket
[7:09] Yeah, but I mean just so we can post that to right so people know they have to come get it
[7:15] But I'm also going to color color them, the ticket. So the free one is one color up 20 is a different color
[7:23] So the guys don't have nobody has to go well. How do I know yeah, you can just get a free one
[7:30] Yeah, a couple of times it was a little confused.
[7:32] All right, so, all right. Okay.
[7:34] So, a question on the hazma?
[7:37] Yep. Everybody that comes down, lost in a way they are.
[7:41] They're circling, circling, going home, coming back.
[7:45] Yeah.
[7:46] So, I don't know. There's a two hour window for that hazma.
[7:50] Yep. I'll have into one, yeah.
[7:52] One, and we're on nine to one.
[7:55] Yeah.
[7:56] Okay. So, I don't know if there's an easy resolve for that.
[7:58] I don't know. I mean, they basically tell you when they're coming.
[8:03] So, we used to do it. So, I used to do a selfie.
[8:06] They won't change for us.
[8:08] No, I know. I just didn't know the tone.
[8:11] We'll try to share that.
[8:13] So, yeah.
[8:13] I mean, we tell them that when they come get together.
[8:17] And it's usually on the little fire thing that we put out.
[8:20] That's as bad as that.
[8:21] So, as they come down, like at night to say,
[8:23] they're not hazardous waste as a show till 11.
[8:26] And don't let them leave it there.
[8:27] So the third because some of the stuff you have to pay to get rid of right because they were doing that for a while
[8:33] Some people don't at the dump leaving it's like now. It's not going to work. So pulling tickets for October 3rd
[8:40] I will not be here. Okay. Still just to
[8:44] I mean, I would gladly do it right here. I'll walk around the girl's sock again. I'm not sure what time the girl's sock again
[8:52] I want to go.
[8:53] It is.
[8:54] It is really warm.
[8:55] It is.
[8:56] Varsity girls?
[8:57] Yeah, because I think Varsity boys in our what?
[8:59] Three?
[9:00] I mean, we can do that next.
[9:02] I don't have the schedule right out in front of me, but, um, I mean, they play in the afternoon,
[9:08] little kids play in the morning, and then middle school.
[9:13] So, um,
[9:17] yeah.
[9:20] I can try to pull that up here, because I mean, why we're doing stuff.
[9:25] All right, so we'll fill that up.
[9:28] Yeah, yeah.
[9:30] Okay.
[9:32] Salt food.
[9:34] So we got two prices for salt, one from Cargill, and one from Appalachy.
[9:41] Cargill came in at 106.50 per ton.
[9:45] And Appalachy came in at 110.25 a ton.
[9:50] Normally we've gone without Appalachy just because the salt's good.
[9:53] Um, but the guy said they're willing to go with Carvelle to save.
[9:58] Oh, it was a time.
[10:00] Now, where was it Carvelle before when you're with that we ran out?
[10:05] Um, no, it was up a lot.
[10:06] Okay.
[10:07] And we got six hundred tons.
[10:09] Was that the amount that?
[10:10] Um, yeah.
[10:10] They usually call us on seven hundred, but we would just six hundred.
[10:13] Last year I think.
[10:14] Is that a problem with the equipment?
[10:16] Is that what?
[10:18] Well, what?
[10:18] But we'll do the salt.
[10:19] We were having, it's not as good as salt.
[10:21] that's what's different with the salt.
[10:23] Yeah, well actually, salt is dry.
[10:25] They keep it indoors.
[10:27] So it's dry.
[10:27] It never gets damp or moist.
[10:30] So it just spreads easier.
[10:33] And so is the other a problem with the equipment?
[10:36] No, the other one's okay.
[10:38] It's okay too, but it's just they prefer them.
[10:40] OK.
[10:42] Yeah, I think that unfortunately, I mean,
[10:47] $4.00 is a great deal and we're going to be paying for other things, oil is going to
[10:57] kill us, diesel is going to kill us this year.
[11:00] Yeah, diesel is quite a six bucks per year.
[11:02] And the thing with the dry, you know, it makes you great easier, but I don't know if I add
[11:06] here's to the road as well as some of the other salt that's treated, that has a tendency
[11:11] to stay on road a little bit longer or so.
[11:15] Yeah.
[11:15] Sometimes we go into the liquid, but there's issues with that too, and it's always going to be certain temperatures depending on what you do, so the salt is no good if it's really, really cold out
[11:32] Okay, yeah, thank you
[11:39] So we're going to go with cargo for 600 ton
[11:43] Yeah.
[11:46] I like to do a need of motion in your gut.
[11:49] No, I'm good.
[11:52] Alrighty.
[11:54] Motion will be in order to move into the board of water commissioners at 6-12.
[12:01] That's it.
[12:02] All those favors.
[12:04] All right.
[12:06] You have that's a link on list.
[12:09] So I gave you the list that we were working on before
[12:11] and that everybody that was the link would got the peak slips, three of them got letters because
[12:17] they were new on the list. So this right here shows EMA who has paid yep and there's still
[12:24] those two there that I didn't get updates today whether or not they came in and paid but if not
[12:29] they're on our list too, they could be shut out. So are these amounts monthly amounts?
[12:38] know what they just came in once they got the people know do they have agreements to pay
[12:43] those they all have agreements and is this them agreement amount or no unfortunately some of them
[12:49] just came in when they got the nose and paid and they took it and I'm like it's not the agreement
[12:55] amount and it's frustrating it's like they choose what they want to put on that okay
[13:04] So, how did any of them pay less than the original amount?
[13:09] No.
[13:10] I don't think so.
[13:13] And then there's another list that I went through today, because we went through every settlement that we had or every agreement that we had.
[13:20] And pretty much most of the states, some are staying current, some haven't paid since April.
[13:24] So I just spoke to the guys today, so they're on the notice list.
[13:29] And they'll be added with these, too.
[13:32] Okay.
[13:32] And then, you gave us that supplement with six pages of listing.
[13:37] And then the original are some on that six page document on payment plans and they're not on.
[13:46] Yes, yes.
[13:46] There are payment plans.
[13:49] These are the ones I just kind of wanted to go over.
[13:51] I tried to do it without curing.
[13:53] And just what was past do about so you could see all of the people.
[14:01] And
[14:03] the one on the print out was the one, two, three, four, five, six, the one and that property going up for a toxin?
[14:14] Yes, that's supposed to be going up for a toxin.
[14:18] So we have to now prepare one more step.
[14:23] The ceiling and I both have to prepare agreements for them to offer them an agreement before we can tax it up.
[14:30] Taxing for property property aims and utilities.
[14:34] What do you mean an agreement to start paying?
[14:38] It's part of the new law.
[14:41] And do you get to set what the payment amount is?
[14:47] We can, what would do is like I'll do my treatment and say what I'd like them to pay, and then that's what we'd offer up.
[14:55] Once we do it, the two agreements will go back to the lawyer.
[15:00] Just for this one or for anybody, for talks to anybody. That's the legislature passed that, where you have that people.
[15:10] And you can't even tell who you are, you want to think of.
[15:13] Oh, it's wonderful. And you can't include the most current doing what, like you can't include this year with the doing that.
[15:19] That can't be wrong. You can't call that.
[15:21] I mean, these people haven't paid in.
[15:23] I know. And they've often offered agreements before.
[15:28] So, the deal is always been no when we've done a green mess that you're supposed to be paying off in a year while you're incurred, right?
[15:38] So, are we, and that's what we say to other people, right?
[15:42] We say to everybody.
[15:43] So, is that what we're saying to them when you make up?
[15:47] I mean, I don't see why not.
[15:50] I mean, I think the end result would be if they can't, then they can't.
[15:55] Right, I mean, but you would have to offer them that opportunity and how long do they have to respond?
[16:04] I do not know.
[16:06] That's, I have to ask you.
[16:08] Okay.
[16:11] It's just so cumbersome now and so ridiculous.
[16:17] It really is.
[16:18] Just another step where it creates hardship on municipalities or
[16:24] Or, um, is that?
[16:27] Liant, you know, owner, so if you see a legislature, be sure and thank them.
[16:34] Yeah, yeah.
[16:35] Howard?
[16:36] Just to follow up with the question you asked, Lisa, on page five.
[16:40] Yeah, I think one down was that also on that list that we had a preview list of
[16:45] hospital tax sales.
[16:46] It's the same owners, but on a list.
[16:49] Oh, thank you.
[16:50] Okay, yeah.
[16:50] That one is also on.
[16:52] Exactly.
[16:53] get the 8th one dollar on page five.
[17:01] Say property owner.
[17:06] Yeah, I think if we could just know for the next meeting,
[17:10] I guess I'd be interested to know what the time frame is.
[17:14] I've noticed that the state has some issues.
[17:17] They like to write a lot of things, and then they fail to put in a time frame.
[17:24] So if it's not in the legislature, then I'm curious who's setting and what that enforcement
[17:34] piece is.
[17:48] And are we doing that? We're on page 3, the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 for 1 down, also for
[17:59] carries, back
[18:05] cell documents as well, that one was supposed to have additional letters
[18:11] sent out and I don't believe that was done.
[18:17] And then there was one more on that tentative list.
[18:19] It was again on page five, one, two, three, four, fifth, one done.
[18:29] Yep.
[18:30] If that part of that part had to open up in a state in order to do this, and was that us who had to do that?
[18:38] I think it's the lawyer that has to do that.
[18:44] And our came to me, send a letter to them.
[18:47] We sent, well, I don't know if she sent a letter to the mortgage holder.
[18:54] Because she's passed.
[18:56] No, I understand that, but...
[19:01] They wouldn't talk to the city or do anything with herself.
[19:08] So, okay.
[19:11] Yes, it would just be nice to be back to some level of resolution with.
[19:18] Yeah.
[19:19] We want to go to that bank.
[19:21] A bank?
[19:23] A bank?
[19:26] I was just...
[19:27] I went back.
[19:28] Took it off in the auction, you mean?
[19:32] So I thought there was one left... was a had a bank name on it.
[19:38] biomarker.
[19:38] Poetry.
[19:39] P&C.
[19:40] Star Street?
[19:42] Yes.
[19:42] The bank.
[19:44] That's we cannot... they... they were the green place.?
[19:49] It's
[19:49] one right now. An inventory
[19:50] for the lower, right now. it's
[19:53] the whole... the whole...the
[19:54] whole... the green place. The one on V4
[19:56] Yeah.
[19:58] and the top. Yeah. They...
[19:58] They...
[20:02] And they took that over in an auction when it was auctioned off, they took it over.
[20:06] And what I don't remember, this one is on page 3,
[20:17] the eighth one.
[20:18] What is that?
[20:21] That's who holds the mortgage?
[20:24] Oh, I believe so.
[20:25] I think those are the people.
[20:26] I think it's at the one that they just abandoned the property.
[20:29] I have no idea.
[20:30] I don't even know what's property.
[20:32] Yeah.
[20:33] I think so.
[20:35] So, that administration, that branch of the government, maybe it was a venerance as well.
[20:46] And the one which the bank, I have been in touch with the realtor who's trying to sell it,
[20:50] I've been in touch with the bank telling they have we have a lean on the property
[20:54] because of the delinquent.
[20:55] I told him that at the auction they didn't seem to care.
[20:59] And I said, you haven't paid it.
[21:01] So, the realtor, I got after her to get somebody to mow the lawn down there.
[21:04] she actually did, and then she said she would reach out to them about
[21:08] if he'd be doing what utilities as well, but we still haven't got anything.
[21:12] And then on page 4, the third one down, or the fourth one down, well, I guess the third
[21:20] and fourth one, both those properties are for sale.
[21:23] They haven't sold?
[21:26] Okay.
[21:27] I think it's really important downstairs, so we don't get into a situation, because I thought
[21:33] The fourth one down, I didn't think there was a sign there anymore.
[21:36] I don't know, maybe it did, I don't know, I haven't seen it.
[21:39] They took it down because they changed realtors.
[21:41] Oh, okay.
[21:42] Yeah.
[21:43] Now there's a new sign that's been there, if I think, you know, maybe a couple of weeks.
[21:47] Okay, yeah.
[21:47] Oh, okay.
[21:48] All right, because last time I was at the school, I noticed, I also wanted, okay.
[21:52] I just wanted to make sure, I don't want to get into a situation where we let property
[21:58] transfer in, well, that shouldn't happen at all, that should never happen, because
[22:06] any lawyer is going to know it, closing that that needs to be picked off as part of the
[22:10] closing cost. I don't know how some of them miss it,
[22:21] but.
[22:23] It is, but those four that we were just talking about.
[22:27] Yeah, they equate the 25% of that.
[22:30] Yeah. And the problem is that you're going into, I mean, did we find out if you can't shut off after October 15? Now, I think that's just, I think that's been the town's rule as they do because other towns do it.
[22:46] So, can we find that out for certain so that we don't have to live in that? I mean, I think people do think that, so then they think there's this kind of just,
[22:59] I don't know how they stop paying.
[23:01] Right.
[23:02] Right.
[23:03] So I think it's important if you can still do that.
[23:09] Of course it's harder once.
[23:11] Of course it is.
[23:12] For our guys.
[23:13] Yeah.
[23:13] Yeah.
[23:14] I know did get and find it and all that.
[23:19] Okay.
[23:20] If that is for sure and it must be because large towns you wouldn't.
[23:26] Then I think we need to be yet rid of that conversation that October 15th, the April 15th, right, you know.
[23:37] We need to absolve ourselves of that language.
[23:43] All right.
[23:45] Any other questions?
[23:47] It's like if you send out a pink note or see that maybe we just need to...
[23:51] So that's what I see. I've been doing that because it makes it easier on all of us because
[23:57] it's more alarming and people are like, oh, then they come in. Where's our letter? They just,
[24:02] you know, they don't show up. They come in. We go back to them.
[24:04] So if you send a pink note as, so you sent it first to September, they have to the end of September.
[24:10] I mean, it's no, no, no, no. A pink note means usually that they've had the agreement. They broke it.
[24:15] They've been doing it for a while. They keep this repetitive behavior. So we do the pink note as
[24:20] And I basically say it's, you get to notice once they've come in by Monday, and now it was
[24:24] shut up.
[24:24] Okay, that's what I was questioning.
[24:25] It's only that time frame was 30 days only when it's a new, a new, a new, two-in-one
[24:30] person.
[24:32] So, so we had some of those because some of my sent letters to the deadline is the
[24:36] 18th of September.
[24:40] Just, just out of here, for the next one we get third part of, we can just know how many
[24:46] agreements are,
[24:52] I was, yeah, because I know you have people come in and then they make
[24:58] a payment and start, they think they start again, but current means if I have to pay $240 every
[25:05] month by the 15th, then I have to pay $240. That doesn't mean it's September, I don't pay anything
[25:10] in October, I pay for A, yeah. And it was a, because the list I have, I would say I will take
[25:17] People say, I have no idea about my current, except it's still September, so I can't until the end of September because they have them.
[25:24] Yeah, you know, they could make a payment before the end of this month.
[25:29] And so I've caught up really, there's a few that caught up.
[25:32] Yeah.
[25:33] Three.
[25:34] But I guess my next question would be, how many agreements do you have to offer them before or like?
[25:47] And if you send them a letter and you say do an agreement or come in and pay it full and they don't do either, you can go shut the water off without further notice.
[25:55] If they have an agreement or they come in and they make an agreement and then they break that agreement, you can go and shut their water off.
[26:01] And I think, I mean, it sucks, but I really think that we're going to have to start taking
[26:08] maybe be more on the enforcer piece of it.
[26:14] I know, I know.
[26:15] And I know it's, I understand that, but it's also, I mean, I said this before, what if we all
[26:27] played the game?
[26:28] Oh, I know.
[26:29] I know.
[26:30] And so then you have budgeted for whatever in that department and you're constantly running
[26:38] a deficit or because people are paying when they feel like paying, you know, they need
[26:44] to treat it, I guess, a little bit more like fuel oil perhaps, right, because I'm pretty sure
[26:50] if you're not paying this year, you're not getting it again.
[26:55] You know, I mean, I feel bad for people now because of the state that this country is in and it's not our fault and nothing's being done about it
[27:02] So don't even get me going there because that just I raised me that we can't afford to live
[27:08] Who are you on a budget before when the economy was decent?
[27:13] Are you very more like I feel sorry for some people who live by themselves and are all the way in relying on their Social Security and they can't afford
[27:20] fuel and food and all the you know
[27:23] It's frustrating and it's like nothing's being done at the top and it's it's just it. It is so I'm doing
[27:31] I ask yeah, it totally is it is a big and I'm not saying it doesn't justify them for doing what they do in our town
[27:40] But it just makes it
[27:43] Makes it hard not to have a heart you know what I mean like some of this is I mean if you oh
[27:50] Oh, I know like thousands and you have dollars to it for you, you have chosen.
[27:56] Right.
[27:56] Oh, I know.
[27:57] You know, I get it.
[27:59] And the few I'm talking about are the ones who struggle, not the ones who go
[28:03] on vacation and just don't pay the money.
[28:04] Right.
[28:05] And the rest of us, the rest of the residents are making a decision about, this is an obligation
[28:13] exact.
[28:13] So I'm just, you're providing, you know, if you weren't paying for your electricity,
[28:18] they're going to be turning off.
[28:19] Right. So I think that it is kind of obnoxious that you take advantage of the town and then
[28:28] people want to come to town meeting and stand up and have that about this. Right. You know,
[28:35] I know. I know. I'll get back together like the whole breakout. So I just think I think
[28:43] going forward. If they've been offered a plan, they break our agreement and they break it.
[28:50] Then I don't see what we have to spend the time and effort in issuing them a new agreement.
[28:55] I think then the pink slips come out and it's easier to send and track the pink slips anyway.
[29:02] And that's the way it is. I mean, okay. If you're not paying G&P, they're calling in telling you,
[29:08] You know, on Monday, we're going to turn you on right on, so yeah, we don't have to come on, sorry.
[29:15] No, no, it's a lot easier for you to have hundreds of people work with you.
[29:20] Yeah, well, and that's kind of that luxury.
[29:22] No, and that's the other piece that it is hard because that means something else is an happening in town
[29:28] because you're focusing on it.
[29:31] I know.
[29:31] Yeah, right, it is.
[29:33] It's time consuming.
[29:34] But I do think there has to be a little more bite.
[29:37] I think in the enforcement piece for the numbers
[29:42] to start to go down and that means I don't think all of us
[29:53] are making decisions and realizing the sacrifices we have to make.
[30:00] I mean, if I didn't have to pay this, I could do other things too.
[30:05] I exactly. It's not an option itself.
[30:09] All right, anything else in water?
[30:14] I must be an order to move into the board seal of the bush rose.
[30:20] One move, second?
[30:23] Six, thirty.
[30:24] All those in favor?
[30:26] Aye.
[30:26] and you post most classes you mean I'm sleepy so the delinquitless is the same yeah
[30:36] to re-hash that and then you have the sewage and sewage the disposable
[30:46] system rules and regulation with edits so any comments about that so last time
[30:55] We had this, and I didn't, I wasn't asked to prepare the whole thing and go through what we talked about and the changes I had seen immediately.
[31:06] And that's what I did with the red line. So that's what I'm looking at now.
[31:09] And then like the next meeting, I would say, we could take it the document and see if there's additional things.
[31:15] But like a lot of this, I went on, you know, part of it when I talked to you about the pipes and stuff like that.
[31:21] part of it was, I went online just to kind of see what Vermont statues are. Vermont, but it's not the statue, but in general information which who knows what it's true or what anything else is.
[31:33] But usually in Vermont is responsible for the entire sewer system, lateral pipe from the house or structure to the connection of the public main, including any blockages, fleets or breaks and private property or under the street sidewalk leading to the tap.
[31:45] This includes portions, even if they extend into a municipal right away, that is responsibility of the homeowner.
[31:55] So that's what I kind of implemented into this under this year.
[32:01] Is there any...
[32:08] Any average cost, any stats out there that would show any examples of...
[32:15] I mean, just past projects that were done.
[32:17] Well, I know bigger projects for talking, you know.
[32:21] So let's seek the South Street project that just happened.
[32:25] Right.
[32:25] Did the property owner pay for all of that?
[32:30] Oh, no.
[32:30] We did.
[32:31] Okay.
[32:32] And what did that cost?
[32:33] $93,000.
[32:35] How much?
[32:36] $93,000.
[32:38] And that would be the homeowners responsibility?
[32:41] No, it's not.
[32:41] It's not talking.
[32:43] It's different.
[32:43] Totally different circumstances.
[32:45] our town put the main through the building.
[32:50] No, I'm talking about
[32:51] such a structure.
[32:52] I thought he said, oh, I'm sorry.
[32:54] Oh, I was like, hey, you're being welcome.
[32:56] Oh, wait, I'm going to catch up.
[32:59] Catch up.
[33:00] What the world is.
[33:03] It's like, yes.
[33:04] It's so calmly.
[33:07] It's like, okay.
[33:10] Okay.
[33:10] That's how this project comes.
[33:11] It's like, okay, so now I'm really against it.
[33:16] So, oh, I do not know, I haven't got the bill yet.
[33:21] I was fortunate, well, we were all fortunate, that it was a much, much smaller.
[33:26] He did everything in this property for it.
[33:29] In the road, it was the sewage line that had roots and stuff, and somebody at one point in
[33:34] time had tried to clear it out with rods, and the rods were actually left in the pipe.
[33:38] So, we moved those, and luckily, because, like I said, the state was having his shelter
[33:43] whoops to close down were three ridiculous hoops to jump through and it just ended up being
[33:49] that small path that we had to go down and found the right and we had enough pipe to put
[33:53] it through to the other end. So that was much, much easier and much less complicated.
[34:01] It's a little cheaper.
[34:02] Yeah. So under this proposal, that hatch in South Street would have been his responsibility.
[34:08] Um, yeah. Even though it's technically the main that has the issue. No, because the main's on the other side of the room.
[34:18] Oh, it's his service line that goes to the main.
[34:21] Well, somebody left the rods and probably are all rods.
[34:26] Probably, yeah.
[34:29] But there is a case that I would like to see in that, you know, because the sort line is on one side of the street over there, maybe in the middle.
[34:38] And what you just read, everybody is responsible for the digging.
[34:43] Everyone is responsible for the plumbing.
[34:46] Everyone is responsible for the filling.
[34:50] You know, if they screw on a cross, they're property.
[34:53] And then, in this case, with the new proposal, the property owner would be paying for the painting.
[35:04] if around the other side of the street, the property owner would not have to pay for any
[35:08] pay, because they wouldn't have to disrupt any pay bank.
[35:12] You mean, if the homeowner lived on the other side of the street, yes, okay.
[35:15] You know, and when I'm thinking is, you know, do like the state says, everybody pays, you
[35:21] know, for it, and then they fill it, and then because there's different sides of the street
[35:26] that line is on, and different amounts of payment that they've interrupted, I think the
[35:31] at least pay for just the asphalt, just the painting. You know, every, the homeowner pays for
[35:38] everything else, and then on either side you pay for everything except the paving of the street, and then
[35:47] also, you know, because so many streets in town we do not have sidewalks, right? And then the streets
[35:53] we do have sidewalks, they're on one side, and that's the other thing I think we might want to consider
[36:00] Repairing is the sidewalk have have the homeowners regardless of where you are pay for the digging the all the plumbing and the installation the filling and the in the grass seeding and then the town just comes along and pays for the
[36:18] Repaving and takes care of the sidewalk if the sidewalk is interrupted
[36:24] Can I just ask one question, the last sentence says local excavation permits must be
[36:30] secured by the property owner. Where are those listed in something here? Do what we create a
[36:39] schedule? Or do we have is that in the permit schedule? Whenever work is done like that, it's kind of
[36:46] they all, if we have to get permits, so it would be either the responsibility of them to get a permit.
[36:51] They have to get like dig save and then get a permit to do that work.
[36:55] Usually the contractor doing the digging gets it?
[36:58] Okay, the contractor who's here.
[36:59] So when you see local and so that's dig save, yeah.
[37:04] What else?
[37:05] Because when I see, when it says local, I'm thinking something here from the town office, that's what I think of.
[37:13] I mean, that's just how I read it.
[37:15] I mean, I'm no contractor.
[37:18] I've just, like, someone reading it just, the roof, I have a problem and these are the rules I need to follow, I just, like,
[37:27] Well, I think it means to me, I think I...
[37:30] I turn it in as an area, exclamation curve. You know, like not. But there's not a specific permit from the town that you'd have to get.
[37:42] Would you like to see that South Street project?
[37:45] Would you have to get a permit to open the road?
[37:49] Yes, the person doing the digging, whoever we hired to do the digging.
[37:52] And would you have to provide a bond to open it?
[37:55] We make them give us a deposit in case there's any issues and stuff.
[38:03] I can get you one of those forms that we've used in the past projects.
[38:06] I can't see it.
[38:08] I don't know.
[38:09] I'm going to go back to the same concern that I had before that the disparity is enormous, I think.
[38:22] When I think, if I had a problem, what I would have to,
[38:30] the link that I would have to
[38:32] because of how someone, in the 50s, decided to fuck up the system, which, oh, I know, and I was not the best, I guess, as a board, it's like, do you look at it from a board's perspective, or do you look at it from your own personal homeowner's instance?
[38:50] Well, I'm not even mine.
[38:52] I'm just thinking like, that's one example.
[38:55] I'm thinking disparity of just like,
[38:59] the sewers on one side and I live on the other side.
[39:02] So now I have to pave a six foot by three foot strip
[39:10] of the road and I have to replace four feet of sidewalk
[39:18] or something like that, where if I had a house on the other side of the road, right, those
[39:26] costs would not, I would not have to remember those costs.
[39:31] So I mean not even, I'm not thinking, that's, that's mine as an example, it's not a completely
[39:40] unique example in like the extension because of where the mains are. I mean we look it up typical
[39:52] homeowners insurance does not cover this. No. So you'd be on your own. No, a person will be there.
[40:02] Yeah. Well that's why I say the towns should pick up the paving part of it and the sidewalk
[40:07] really build. I agree with you there. At least you know, because it's not fair. It's not fair.
[40:16] If you live on the side without the sewer break, where you have to go, and there's a lot more money.
[40:23] Unless you live on the side where there's a watermelon, you want to make breaks, and you're good luck, because it's on your side or something.
[40:28] And here's the other issue. What happens though when you find out that you have a backup,
[40:36] But it's not your fault
[40:42] because I know that because because a tree roots you mean there's something like that
[40:48] And so if that is in the mean
[40:52] Then then who's picking that all up?
[40:55] So then is it falling back and we're making a claim on
[41:01] VLCT it depends on if if they have a tree on the property and their roots. I've seen where it's yet their responsibility. It's your tree
[41:08] roots.
[41:11] No, but like Lisa said, what if it plugs down the line and then you get back
[41:16] small? Right. Oh, I know what that says in the past where I've been, if there's time
[41:21] to where if it's someone's tree and the roots are going down and plugging it into the
[41:24] road and it's their tree, it's their responsibility.
[41:29] Well, if that's what was...
[41:32] And there's service line. And that caused it. Right. Right. Right. Yeah, but the main cause
[41:38] No, it's not the main. It's just service line. I'm not talking the main. If it's in the main, it's our responsibility. If it's in the service line, it's not.
[41:49] I mean, it's that's it. I'm just throwing out what I've been asked to do and what.
[41:53] No, no problem. That's good. Yeah, well problem.
[41:56] But it's a two-the-connection of the sewer main.
[42:00] including blockages, weeks, or breaks, and private property, or understreets, so I guess
[42:09] I don't see where it becomes the town responsibility. The property owners responsible
[42:22] for the entire pipe from the house or structure to the connection of the public sewer main.
[42:28] So let's say beyond anything with sewer main as our responsibility.
[42:32] okay so they get to the main and my pipe isn't the only one going in the main but there's
[42:41] blockage and now we have you know three houses have it right well they can see it's from
[42:52] your service line you're not kind of your service line is it with someone else's service line
[42:55] so you have a service line here you have a service line here a service line here all going to
[42:59] They can camera it to see if the blockages in your service line or someone else is service line.
[43:06] What if it's in the main?
[43:07] Well, then it's a responsibility.
[43:10] Okay, so if you get backflow and stuff.
[43:12] Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
[43:13] When you when it thought flows into ARB,
[43:17] if you find the problems in the main, it's our problem.
[43:20] If you find it's in your service line, then that's what they're saying.
[43:23] It's the homeowners.
[43:24] What happens when the pipe goes across property, you don't have control over.
[43:30] the what the main of the service line. The service line.
[43:36] If it's a homeowner service line.
[43:38] If your service line goes over town property, right? That's what this is saying. It's
[43:43] on town property. It's in the road. It's not to the main yet. That's what that says.
[43:49] So if this is my house, and this is the main, and this is all town property,
[44:00] And my line goes over, because that doesn't speak to properties, speaks to service line, it's defining service line of what's the responsibility of the moment where it's your service line doesn't matter what property is growing across your service line.
[44:14] Or how long it is? I mean, that's never been, I mean, I've never seen it.
[44:18] Yeah, I've never seen it.
[44:19] Yeah, I've never seen it.
[44:20] Your service line goes across property, you don't have control over, then how can you have control if there's roots in your sewer line?
[44:27] Let's
[44:32] see a service line goes of municipal property, right?
[44:38] And there's a blockage, right?
[44:40] And it's in your service line.
[44:42] But it's on municipal property.
[44:44] It doesn't matter.
[44:46] This speaks to service line regardless of who's property is on.
[44:50] It's clearly says if it's under the road or everything,
[44:54] as long as that's your service line is your responsibility.
[44:58] It doesn't matter that they don't own that property.
[45:00] Party with the road is, it's still their service line, it hasn't reached the main yet.
[45:04] But there are service lines all over town that not just under the road that are on municipal property.
[45:13] So if the town doesn't maintain the property,
[45:18] then how does that own us fall on the homeowner?
[45:21] Oh, that's something you guys have to figure out. How detailed do you want it to be? If you don't, if you just want
[45:25] roots up someone's property that get into it, say you had a main that ran across, like
[45:31] the main runs across the road up there trying to think of the worlds.
[45:38] Well, let's just see, hypothetically, there's a house there here in the parking lot.
[45:44] And the line runs through the park to get to the main.
[45:48] Okay, that service line is still the responsibility of the homeowner, even though it's that's the way that that's the way it's that's the way that's the way that's right, okay, that's my question right because you guys can do whatever you want in terms of redefining it or so I'm just saying what's what's common in Vermont in other towns, so if you want to rewrite it that it's only up to this point, then well, I'm just trying to think we know that we have a lot of clinky things.
[46:18] Oh, yeah, that's right infrastructure. It really is. Well, so it's I've just trying to like make sense of, you know
[46:28] It's the service line and I'm just saying I'm not I'm not taking it personally
[46:33] My
[46:36] I'm not good as someone else's house. I'm not good in third person
[46:41] Yeah, but it's my responsibility, but I don't have control over the property where the service line runs
[46:48] Right, right now. I was just going to say maybe that's what the previous board went through because the current ordinance says you are responsible to the right of way
[46:59] Done from the right of the way to work connects to the main is the town's response about
[47:07] Well that I said it. I mean make sense. It's just it's hard because it's someone's
[47:16] service line does run across the road and
[47:21] That's the one thing I think they wanted to eliminate is why is a town always responsible
[47:24] because it's under the road where their service line is there and it's not our part, it's not our
[47:29] mean.
[47:30] So that's, I think, how the question got raised and how to look at it.
[47:34] But you guys are all welcome to Richard of Part and think of how you can massage it to make it
[47:42] benefit both of us.
[47:44] You know, we were fortunate in a park street because I think a lot of that, even though the line came out and then went across and didn't go all the way across.
[47:50] So pretty much the cost was almost split between homeowner and the town.
[47:55] So, you know, that's another option.
[47:57] Do you split it if you pipe those?
[47:59] If the water is, if your service line goes across the road, you pay half of the homeowner and pay half.
[48:06] I don't know.
[48:07] That's, you know.
[48:08] I don't know.
[48:08] For me, I need to think about it a little bit more.
[48:13] And I would like people to, when we talked about this initially, we had people on for something
[48:22] or something, remember what this she was, and I was praying, that's what it was, some
[48:27] skaters praying.
[48:29] And they had very definitive ideas about things.
[48:32] I think it would be how full of people were, I mean that we could put this on the website that
[48:41] are looking to, I know it's a drag, but those are the people we're impacting, our neighbors,
[48:51] our families and friends. So I think they should have, I mean, a moment to, because it
[49:01] is an ordinance, right? It's not a policy. So it's an ordinance and has to be warned
[49:08] been right, so they'd have us saying that.
[49:11] Yeah, but sometimes it's nice to have people have a say before you go through all the work
[49:15] and right.
[49:20] I'm not saying that, but I think it's also important if we do, if we come to the table with
[49:27] your ideas and your draft and then they can, yeah, a hundred percent risk for you to say something.
[49:33] They are mine, my water line crosses my neighbor's driveway, my neighbor's on the highway and on to another property on this.
[49:46] Do you want to be in a serving?
[49:48] Water.
[49:52] Yeah.
[49:54] We're talking to you.
[49:55] Yeah, I know, but we'll deal with you.
[49:57] We'll have to deal with you.
[49:58] I think they could pull a line under the road.
[50:05] That's what...
[50:06] Well, I mean, we have water in my lines going through houses here that, it's crazy the way they do it, it's fun.
[50:15] But if it's just the question about us having to have to pay for that, you know, not having a homeowner, well, you know, when you look at the services that the town has, you know, the skating ring.
[50:28] I don't know any times that you skate, you know, but we all pay for it.
[50:31] How many times did you go swimming?
[50:33] We all pay for it, you know, and we do have the property in Chinton, you know, for the
[50:38] timber harvest that's supposed to be in water and so we're, yeah, well that could be, you
[50:42] know, supplementing, you know, the pot to water and take care of, you know, the portion
[50:47] on the right away and on the street.
[50:51] Yeah.
[50:52] I just think, I would like to just think about it and you want anything else for the next
[50:58] We eat as far as information enters.
[51:00] How about costs over a couple of years at the towns ahead to do this and what costs?
[51:07] And I don't mean like the $93,000 of them in there.
[51:11] No, I'd say like from the Park Street, one maybe.
[51:15] What should the goal be?
[51:17] Well, on the South Street, I mean those are the...
[51:20] These are the one up on the Park Street.
[51:23] Yep.
[51:24] Okay, double line there.
[51:25] Just the examples of what it is and that if it's, it comes to a cost resolved, I don't know if it's just looking at us, but just to the town, whatever the cost was to do you have the counter right now is taking care of it.
[51:44] Just from the right away in the street, not on the private property.
[51:48] But all of those were paved, yes, yeah, just the right way, like the Park Street one was kind of
[51:57] Went on for a while, okay, and we've done a few up there. Yeah, yeah
[52:03] You know, they might help sell it or not
[52:07] That's fine. Yeah, yep. No, I think that's good information now and then I think you know
[52:15] Weed other talents, audiences, and things like that, that's kind of what I tried to do, you know?
[52:22] When I'm looking for a good time on a Friday night.
[52:26] And you're not going to say what Judy said, you know, when she started.
[52:30] That's what I read in the Petsford and I was talking with one of the members of the West Droughton Board at the bus meeting and he's been there for over 30 years and I asked him about it because I read in their ordinance that they don't, but he said, yes, we take responsibility from the right away to the man.
[52:50] yeah so it's a mixed bag out there yeah no i think and i think that's you know good to
[52:56] know but j's point also it's good to know like if you were looking if that's you chose to do
[53:03] that what kind of money are you looking at you know realistically if you're you know creating maybe
[53:10] uh i don't know a sewer replacement right find or something like that unless what
[53:21] That's the problem.
[53:27] I mean, our pipes are, you know, it was the path of waste resistance for a lot of faces.
[53:32] That's why things are so kind of won't be.
[53:35] But I think what's wrong one can't be a that way too, but anyway.
[53:39] So we will piece that on the next month's agenda.
[53:45] Next month October?
[53:46] I know.
[53:47] Yeah.
[53:48] I tell her.
[53:49] Well, do you want it next month or do you want it?
[53:52] I can do it by next week.
[53:53] Okay.
[53:54] Next week.
[53:54] Next week.
[53:56] I'm just trying to move the month alone.
[53:58] I try to put books in all day today that were October.
[54:02] Sorry.
[54:02] I've moved right along to the happy moat.
[54:09] And that was for 27 sets.
[54:10] Say, there you go.
[54:11] You're moving this path.
[54:13] You're ahead.
[54:14] All right.
[54:16] Must be in order to leave.
[54:18] Oh, what else do you have anything on the wastewater?
[54:24] I'm nothing yet, no movement.
[54:25] I was going to probably talk about it in a minute before it's been done.
[54:28] No, they haven't.
[54:31] They were getting information from the dealer of green,
[54:35] but nobody's gone down there yet to set up anything.
[54:38] They're still pushing for our hoping October start date.
[54:42] I emailed that the other day and just said, you know,
[54:43] to see a dollar for the storage.
[54:49] Yeah, yeah, nice to say about that.
[54:51] Yeah, yeah, that was the event.
[54:53] So they could start cleaning everything out of it.
[54:55] I remember there was a couple of meetings.
[54:58] But I did retail to them and just tell them that I hope
[55:00] they're a target because it makes it tougher for our guys
[55:03] that they start working down there.
[55:04] Operating with the goods with the wood, it's ice, it's stuff,
[55:07] so.
[55:08] I did, well, tell you my managers for that.
[55:11] The motion we're getting ordered to leave the board of sewer commissioners and re-enter three who are just like for me
[55:18] So a whole second on his favor
[55:23] We'll pass his meals. All right sheriff's report. They've been pretty busy. Yes
[55:29] There are everywhere it seems like
[55:33] They're at the cemetery today
[55:35] Yeah, they were what I was talking about.
[55:39] I saw them tucked in there.
[55:41] But no, I really got it.
[55:42] You know, it suddenly speeds through town.
[55:44] It's crazy.
[55:45] You know, 58 through town is like,
[55:47] yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true.
[55:49] That seems to be their forte,
[55:53] setting what speeders, if we call them
[55:56] because you have
[56:02] disorderly people, right?
[56:04] They're not available during the day, right?
[56:07] And what does there want in the 80 miles?
[56:10] Yeah, three, yeah.
[56:14] So at least they're doing that.
[56:16] I guess.
[56:19] All right.
[56:20] Me neither is required.
[56:21] I just, you know, just the format.
[56:24] Yeah.
[56:24] You know, deputy records.
[56:28] You know, at one time he used to put the time stamp
[56:31] from front of his stuff.
[56:33] You know, but he doesn't anymore.
[56:34] And you look at Deputy Frazier on the front page of the second sheet. You can see how the time stamps they are used to do that
[56:41] You know, I don't know if that's going to be the new normal where they don't put the time stamps and stuff of
[56:48] Yeah, I see what you mean
[56:49] I got it down below. Aren't they behind the days got it right?
[56:54] No, look at on the first page
[56:56] Oh, what is
[56:58] You got it all?
[57:00] 325
[57:02] No, starting an ending
[57:03] But all the...
[57:06] At 2045, those are times.
[57:09] Yeah, but all these other line items, they used to have a capacity.
[57:13] Oh, here, this is what it means.
[57:15] Like this.
[57:18] Like this.
[57:18] Yeah, every one of those items got.
[57:19] Like this.
[57:22] See the difference.
[57:23] Yeah.
[57:24] You know, I didn't know if that was going to be their new normal.
[57:26] Time stamp is nice.
[57:27] And you can see how long they spent on each area.
[57:30] I thought.
[57:30] When it's just a starting ending.
[57:32] right you know you really don't know but I mean you've got you know the start and
[57:37] date and types of all yes yeah yeah you just don't know how many minutes they
[57:42] spend yeah yeah but I hope that's not a new normal where they don't right
[57:51] these old types it seems it's just to be him though yes yes
[57:57] okay all right he's good when I email him too he responds like right
[58:01] Yeah.
[58:03] Okay.
[58:05] We're going to make what's your cost statement.
[58:08] We're getting time off.
[58:11] I don't know.
[58:12] I had a job a year ago where I had to book time for every single thing.
[58:15] And after what I was like, you know what?
[58:16] This isn't saying enough.
[58:17] This is the same thing.
[58:17] It's like, it's up noxious.
[58:19] It's like...
[58:20] It's the same thing.
[58:21] It's the same thing.
[58:22] It's the same thing.
[58:23] That and where they are and what they're doing.
[58:26] You know what's up?
[58:27] It's just not extra bottom.
[58:29] What do you think would just come right off the report that you just upload your daily whatever long, right?
[58:40] I think I don't know.
[58:42] I'm going to do any co-fashing.
[58:45] Yeah, they're actually going to, they're going to do substrate that happens.
[58:49] They're going to fill it in.
[58:50] They want to settle first.
[58:52] They're going to do that.
[58:54] But they are.
[58:55] It's so quick and it's got all up on one, one, three, three.
[59:01] Well, like someone I can't do, co-patch on because they're not deep enough.
[59:05] The two shallow.
[59:06] I mean they're bad, they're rough and they're horrible and they're, but it's a lot.
[59:10] And co-patch is just going to come right off of it, so.
[59:16] All right.
[59:17] One of these started to be the final.
[59:19] Yeah.
[59:20] Should be starting this month.
[59:23] The end of the month?
[59:25] That's what the target date was.
[59:32] Am I doing my recording?
[59:35] All right.
[59:37] Okay, so I got with three of us to reply.
[59:39] So that was good that it was much less.
[59:42] We thought it would be.
[59:43] Florence and Chitton and Timber Harbor subdates.
[59:46] I talked with the Forster.
[59:47] He came met with me last week.
[59:50] They're pretty much done wrapping up on Florence.
[59:53] So we should be getting two more checks.
[59:55] I believe from them.
[59:56] Um, I had last year to move that into a special fun.
[1:00:00] So all the monies going there. Yeah. I also, we went over the Chitton property and I reached out to Chitton
[1:00:07] because he looked at three different ways, possibly going in maybe four. The best place is off Mount
[1:00:14] Top Road where there is the state for us in Chitton property and there's actually a clearing
[1:00:19] and a landing where we could go so the trucks don't. It would be that far in where they have to drag the
[1:00:25] are clearing in our planning for us. It's not ours, but for us. Yeah, the state has used it and stuff.
[1:00:33] Okay, so I reached out to Chitton about using that access and she's going to bring it up to their
[1:00:37] board tonight. She's not the one she said to talk to, so I'm going to connect with them and see about that.
[1:00:42] Other options are easements off of the road up of McKinley, or not McKinley, what's it called?
[1:00:54] But that those houses are kind of high end and he said you might have to pay for these
[1:00:59] events.
[1:01:00] A lot easier route than going, our road is almost impossible, he said, our access
[1:01:05] road because it's so steep.
[1:01:08] The other one, he said we probably have to go and I think he'd said three miles to do the
[1:01:11] landing.
[1:01:12] You have to cross the stream.
[1:01:13] But it's doable if we went in from that direction.
[1:01:17] itself.
[1:01:20] They're trying to break, yeah.
[1:01:22] But he said it looks like there's actually a lot of old class 4 roads within that, for
[1:01:27] us that we might be able to, you know, go cross.
[1:01:30] So we, it's on, can I just clarify?
[1:01:33] The Chitton landing is on state property, but we have to ask the Chitton, it's like, no,
[1:01:40] if there's state for us and then there's Chitton property.
[1:01:43] Oh, oh.
[1:01:43] Oh, buddy.
[1:01:43] Yeah.
[1:01:44] Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
[1:01:46] So the Chitton Town Forest has a landing.
[1:01:48] Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
[1:01:50] And it's only a quarter of a mile,
[1:01:51] which is reasonable as far as bringing
[1:01:53] longs down to it, getting the truck in.
[1:01:56] So, and then he hopes, once we determine this,
[1:02:01] then he hopes to go in.
[1:02:02] He's gonna start marking this year
[1:02:04] and hopefully start harvesting,
[1:02:07] spring summer next year.
[1:02:08] Okay. The fourth property did we harvest the disputed?
[1:02:17] I don't know. I don't believe they marked that.
[1:02:20] So how are we fixing that dispute?
[1:02:23] We would just have to figure out how to deal with this burden in the handball motor.
[1:02:29] If it's going to be a huge legal battle, it's not worth probably right now.
[1:02:33] Try to get some timber off its property.
[1:02:35] No, but if if it's thirty acres of belongs to Christ, right, it's just, I think it's just clarifying with Pittsburgh that what they have on air records.
[1:02:45] I mean, do we have a map?
[1:02:47] Yeah, we have a map.
[1:02:49] Can it show us it's our property?
[1:02:51] So we just have to take the map to Pittsburgh and so we...
[1:02:54] Well, whoever did the transaction back then, never recorded it in Proctor, I guess?
[1:02:59] In Proctor?
[1:03:00] Right.
[1:03:00] In Proctor, I don't think, as far as I want to get.
[1:03:03] That's, there's nothing here that shows that we don't know, I'll think.
[1:03:08] And who shows that it owns in Pittsburgh?
[1:03:11] In sure.
[1:03:12] Well, the whole water saying he does, so we'd have to see if Pittsburgh has a deep, like, if it's the deal of a dress.
[1:03:20] Yeah.
[1:03:21] So, what come after?
[1:03:22] I think part of it is just the person I do like that.
[1:03:27] Okay.
[1:03:29] I mean, ultimately, I think it's almost everybody knows it, but I mean, we've harvested it before.
[1:03:37] They don't know if we get it or not.
[1:03:39] For me, we have a harvested for you.
[1:03:41] What if you use it there, so.
[1:03:44] But I'll check with them to see what we can find out.
[1:03:48] I mean, we could just call them for them to send us a deal.
[1:03:51] Right, right.
[1:03:53] It's nothing that will be done this year.
[1:04:01] I think there's two more checks yes coming in.
[1:04:04] Okay, so in October, maybe we can know what the total is for that?
[1:04:11] We had trees cut and turned down almost B cell street in Main Street Park.
[1:04:15] They were, I think I may have mentioned this before.
[1:04:18] They were dead living in, but the one on almost B, they actually took down.
[1:04:22] It was pretty bad.
[1:04:23] see what he got up there and looked at it and he said it cost more for them to come back next year
[1:04:27] and take it so you just took it down. And actually he got, we got a really good price for taking
[1:04:32] that tree down, dead living these in the park and dead living the ones on cell street. Who stopped money
[1:04:37] in the, on that line I don't know. Huh? We still have money in the tree. I think that's so yeah.
[1:04:44] Yeah, it seems like we cut down five trees and we're up. I know. He's good and he's reasonable and he's
[1:04:51] That's awesome.
[1:04:54] Public works also been trimming to road sides, catching some road spots.
[1:04:58] Columbia and Avenue Stormwater Line by the pump station that's the leaking where it's always flooded back there on the end.
[1:05:07] The drains out back.
[1:05:08] They're going to go dig that up tomorrow and see if there's roots causing it because they just can't get the water to go down.
[1:05:14] It just keeps settling.
[1:05:15] So I don't think it's going through there.
[1:05:17] So that's been on our radar, you know, I think this is spring of this year, last year they were working on it.
[1:05:23] We did it once, so they're going to go back down and do that tomorrow.
[1:05:29] We got an email from the agency of Commerce and Community Development regarding performance outcomes, which I do not want to say what they want.
[1:05:37] They said that they have to do a report every year, comments and stuff from the select board community are welcome for any grants that were given down.
[1:05:47] the only one I know, and I know what is the one that was given to across the street, and I don't know what kind of information they're looking for, they're very vague, just said we want comments and any input to do our final report for the year end.
[1:06:04] So, they don't provide you what grant you received. They just list the different types that they're looking for.
[1:06:10] but they don't quarterly it with a great e-digreasy.
[1:06:16] So, so I've just responded to say the only one we had that we didn't have was giving it to them.
[1:06:22] So, we'll let them know where that went.
[1:06:26] And then I think I emailed you, some of you today,
[1:06:29] and I remember fifth, there's a central sub-region exercise at the Rutland Regional Medical Center.
[1:06:35] From 9 to 1, it was supposed to be October 7, but that's the day of the town fair.
[1:06:40] So they've moved it, I'm going and I believe one of the public works guys is going and I don't know if anybody on the board, I let Bruce and Lisa know.
[1:06:50] And because they also mentioned it to the clerk, but I don't think she's going.
[1:06:54] So what it is basically is the region of the local towns together.
[1:06:58] So if there are issues, diversity plans, how you get together, how we kind of support each other in the process.
[1:07:04] So is that what you're telling laundry things that he did?
[1:07:08] I did reach out to him too.
[1:07:10] So basically, they want, yeah.
[1:07:12] I reached out to Kevin and YouTube and then public boards.
[1:07:16] So if you're interested, just let me know.
[1:07:18] And I could send you these details.
[1:07:21] I mean, if you clicked on the thing, you could send it.
[1:07:25] So.
[1:07:27] And then just just to put a bug in here
[1:07:29] in the CAI.
[1:07:31] I think we need to revisit that whole situation.
[1:07:43] Well, yeah, since our maps aren't even correct.
[1:07:48] Yeah.
[1:07:50] And then I'm attending a training this Thursday at the Rotten Regional Planning Commission
[1:07:56] and it's Water Rates and Financing.
[1:07:59] So, yeah, very interesting going to it.
[1:08:03] It's about setting rates and financing and stuff for water lines
[1:08:06] and clean water and stuff like that.
[1:08:08] Oh, watch, it's a battery good. Yeah, so it's all day
[1:08:16] Oh, so they didn't say brown bag it
[1:08:25] Yeah, I have one question. Did you ever check up with Pittsburgh as far as like trimmer West proctor road?
[1:08:31] I resowed to Kyle to see if he wanted me to reach out to them and he said yes, so I'm going to reach out to him
[1:08:38] I reached out to Rotland Town but never heard back so yeah and I tried to find pricing and stuff
[1:08:44] for over the rail and it's outrageous I mean it's most of the stuff you see as attachments
[1:08:51] two year attractor not attractor and attachments to do and I know there's lower scales which
[1:08:56] can but I did share with the guys that I noticed up on Route 7 North going up at Middlebury
[1:09:01] and root 3, that the state was doing all the trimming on the guardrails by hand-trim-by-trimmers.
[1:09:10] They're weed-wacky, you know?
[1:09:13] Well, when they did that, they said they were doing the guardrails like that, checking the height of them.
[1:09:20] Oh, there's something about...
[1:09:22] They weed-wackers. They didn't do them all. They only did certain more. Yeah, and they did.
[1:09:27] That's a wrong thing to go in between them.
[1:09:31] Oh, shit damn.
[1:09:32] I'm about to get on the backside.
[1:09:34] They had the excavator.
[1:09:36] And then like me, surrounded in the middle.
[1:09:37] They had the bomb cat.
[1:09:38] Yeah, so I saw the bomb cat there a lot.
[1:09:41] And I didn't know what the heck they did.
[1:09:42] Yeah, so I worked in the woods with them.
[1:09:43] So if that was the thing they go in between it.
[1:09:47] Because I saw them all weed-wacking it.
[1:09:50] And one guy who got weed-wacked on one side.
[1:09:51] One weed-wacked on the other.
[1:09:53] And somebody else stood with a board to blow back into the...
[1:09:55] Oh, yeah.
[1:09:56] That's how they did it all.
[1:09:57] And that's how they did it up in Milbury.
[1:09:59] They were all weed-wacking.
[1:10:00] That was it.
[1:10:00] No machinery whatsoever.
[1:10:04] So, it's crazy.
[1:10:05] Well, they have a lot of guys.
[1:10:07] We don't.
[1:10:08] Plus, it's just the chipping of the trees, too,
[1:10:10] because there's a few that really need it back, right?
[1:10:14] Yeah.
[1:10:15] I looked into renting them, too.
[1:10:16] But it's so hard to find anything around here.
[1:10:21] Well, it's such a small pool to poke.
[1:10:23] And this is that planning commission.
[1:10:24] You can send that pass that out.
[1:10:26] That's what I just shared with you at the Rotten Regional Mental Performance.
[1:10:30] Just a case of medicine.
[1:10:33] Can you turn anything else?
[1:10:36] Yeah, Judy.
[1:10:37] I just have a few items.
[1:10:39] These items.
[1:10:39] And that, you know, out of creek watershed,
[1:10:43] insect control.
[1:10:43] I just want to pass out, you know,
[1:10:45] it's for you knowing the Rotten Spring, you know,
[1:10:51] that's where almost to the end of the season
[1:10:54] or they're going to run to rise the equipment.
[1:10:58] And they're not putting out the traps doing any testing.
[1:11:01] They're just looking to see if they get a lot of calls,
[1:11:04] if they do, they'll go through the manual,
[1:11:07] netting to try and see if you meet the threshold for spring.
[1:11:11] But it looks like the season's pretty much over.
[1:11:14] And you'll see on the top right hand side,
[1:11:16] they sprayed 114 routes, and then the break down
[1:11:19] by each town is on that listing.
[1:11:25] And one of the hot topic items was, you know, the speed that the trucks are going
[1:11:32] now.
[1:11:32] They got a lot of questions, and so they just put together a flyer, and you'll get the
[1:11:38] one with the colored top two pages, and the rest of us are just going to get the bottom
[1:11:46] page.
[1:11:47] And that will explain, you know, how they came up to, or the speech that they're using.
[1:11:55] I guess that was a great paper for companies.
[1:11:58] I know.
[1:11:59] I know.
[1:11:59] I know.
[1:12:00] I know.
[1:12:00] I know.
[1:12:01] I know.
[1:12:02] I know.
[1:12:04] That's their construction paper.
[1:12:08] Yeah, yeah, I was like,
[1:12:12] that's free there.
[1:12:13] And that's the OCW update.
[1:12:16] And then also, I got an update from the bus.
[1:12:20] And there's going to be the first one who's
[1:12:22] going to be the year over year comparison.
[1:12:25] First mind's going to be colored.
[1:12:27] But years are going to be black and white.
[1:12:29] But you'll see, you know, at least, you know, all of the people that you was the service and
[1:12:36] proctor, you know, in fiscal year 25, we were at 4,549 writers, and in fiscal year 26, we were
[1:12:46] at 3,822 writers, using that.
[1:12:50] Is that exactly reduced the hours?
[1:12:51] Wow, man, the next thing I'm going to give you is the impact of, and this is a month over month.
[1:13:01] This one is going to show you fiscal year 27 July and fiscal year 26 July when you go down the tractor.
[1:13:10] You know, last year, in July we had 533 riders this year and July we had 118.
[1:13:17] Again, that's because of the combination of things.
[1:13:20] You know, the impact on 26 would have been the route reduction, but now we're seeing the impact of fairs.
[1:13:31] You know, but you look at all of the comparisons, fiscal year 27, fiscal year 26 for month over month, or the months of July, you'll see that pretty much all of them are down.
[1:13:44] And then the bus ended the fiscal year in the red $347
[1:13:59] ,000, and that's on a $7.5 million budget.
[1:14:04] But they had money in the checking account.
[1:14:06] So they were able to cover that deficit, and they still have $650,000 in that checking account.
[1:14:14] So, the biggest driver of the deficit was it was over 200,000.
[1:14:21] They have a O&D program, older adults, and people with disability that's funded by
[1:14:28] a grant from the state of Vermont for 625,000.
[1:14:32] And in that, you know, it provides transportation for critical care in just a year 26 for
[1:14:43] critical care, they did 3,438 trips for medical, they did 4,647 for shopping, and they
[1:14:52] did 1,574, and then they have social vocational.
[1:14:56] Now this, this is set up such that you can
[1:15:00] You can only use the service four times a month with the exception of the critical care.
[1:15:06] In the critical care is going to for your cancer treatments and or dialysis.
[1:15:15] They won't turn anybody away for those.
[1:15:20] That's why they incurred.
[1:15:23] You can make adjustments when you see you're going to run a deficit, you know, in the
[1:15:29] ninth month or whatever, but with these critical care and the doctors, they won't
[1:15:33] turn the people away.
[1:15:35] You know, they know they had some money in reserve, so that's what they're falling back
[1:15:39] on.
[1:15:40] So, is the 650 minus 347 or the 347 taken out in their 650 left?
[1:15:49] There's 650 left.
[1:15:57] So I had my magnifying glass. I'd tell you exactly what that question.
[1:16:00] No, no, that's why I had around $650,000.
[1:16:03] That's why I'm just scared.
[1:16:05] And so, the most even thing, they sprayed five times in part of it.
[1:16:13] No, eight and five. There's an east route in the west route.
[1:16:17] On the west, they did it eight times and on the east, they did it five times.
[1:16:22] And you look at Goatian on the bottom, they only had three diamonds, but I think when they put the budget together, they try and target being able to do it each row seven times.
[1:16:38] And so that would equate to 119, and you can see in the top right hand corner, they did 114, and last year they did 72.
[1:16:49] too. So it was a little busier this year than last year. I'm surprised I
[1:16:55] closed the alarm because I feel like when I was getting noticed it's like
[1:16:57] they were spraying a luster all the time and sells very even Brandon.
[1:17:02] Yeah. Then I'm going to start, you know, is on there a web page.
[1:17:07] Well, thank you for that.
[1:17:09] Okay, that's all I have for you.
[1:17:13] Good and good.
[1:17:14] Good and good.
[1:17:15] Alright, anything else? Any agenda items for next week?
[1:17:29] And I must be in order to adjourn
[1:17:32] So, 718, followed.
[1:17:37] Is that it?
[1:17:38] Oh, there's a favor?
[1:17:40] Alright.
[1:17:41] I'm just passing through the end of the story.