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Mr. Harris? All right, let's roll. Good evening. This is the regular meeting of the tuesday,

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may 21st, 2024. Prosper. Planning and zoning commission. The meeting is called to order

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at 6:06 p.m. All commissioners are present at the meeting this evening addressing the

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commission. Those wishing to address the commission must complete the public comment

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request form located on the town website or in council chambers. If you're attending in person,

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please submit this form to the board chair or a staff member prior to the meeting. When

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called upon, please come to the podium and state your name and address. For the record. Next

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item we have this evening is the pledge of allegiance. If you'd please rise. I pledge allegiance

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to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands. One nation

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under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Next up is our consent agenda.

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this evening and this evening, on our consent agenda, we have items three a through three h,

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for consideration, did any commissioners want to pull any items off the consent agenda

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this evening for further discussion? Yes okay. Commissioner jackson, what do

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you want to pull? Three c and three d, three c, three d? Any others? I'd like to add three g,

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please. And commissioner carlson, you got three g. Anyone else? 3d3b? Maybe I should ask,

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which ones do we want to keep on? So. Okay any others? Alright. So that means I will

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entertain a motion and let's see what we've got. We've got a. F and h. Right. So any thank you a

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f a e f and h. Thank you very much. So I'll entertain a motion on those items. And then we'll

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go back and hit the other ones. I move that we approve items three a, three e, three f and

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three h. Okay. We have a motion to approve those consent agenda items from commissioner harris.

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do we have a second a second, have a second from commissioner jackson. All those in favor of

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approving those said consent agenda items, please raise your hand in motion unanimously carries with all commissioners voting in favor. So at this point, I'll take it back to the

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town staff. And let's, talk about item three. C we'll just go in alphabetical order, three

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b yeah, that's right. Do do we want to skip straight to question. Are we going to have

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them present on it. Now they can present first. Yeah I'd say go through the presentation on

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three b and then questions and continue okay. Good evening, chairman, this is, item three b,

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this is, star trail phase 18. Construct phase 18 of star trail, consisting of 54

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residential. Lots of five lots. There are four type of lots, lots a consists of six, 6875ft■s

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by 55ft and 120ft, 456, sorry, max. Lots. And type b, there's, 558 max lots, type c 374, and

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type d 340, east of dexter drive, there's a 1001 106 maximum with the maximum 100,

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1139 lots in west of legacy. There's 622 with the max of 750 lots. Lot total. There's, 1728,

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there's a hiking trail, 12 foot hiking bike trail will be requested during the plat check

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process, it was about our, attention that there is a, trail not shown on the final plat,

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preliminary plat for phases 1018. The star trail were approved on january 19th, 2021.

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the final plats phase 1017. The star trail is also been approved. The most recent phase

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two, phase 17, about 23 0169, was approved on march 5th of this year. Actually, staff, he

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put together this, informational slide for us. I'm sorry. I'm too far. Now, to address any

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questions from the commissioners. Commissioner lanson. Yeah, sorry, chairman.

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so let me, first of all, thank you for this chart. I think it's helpful to start. And thank you

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for staff to present that to us, that shows the conformity with pd, because we don't necessarily

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see all the pd curves. So I think that's very important, the only thing I'm, I my concern was

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the one about the hike and bike trail. Yes, so I just want to make sure that if we, you know,

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approve this, that we're approving it with the subject to a trail being added to the plat

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or whatever the correct language is. I mean, yes, it'll be before the final plat for check that

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process. It will be added to that final plat. Okay. So we need to add that, add the, is it

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a 12 foot hike and bike trail? We need to add make sure that's added. Okay. Put it back. So and

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that's I see you've got this information on here. Is that which I didn't see before, but

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is that, but there's nothing. And just to make sure there's nothing in the plat that shows

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that trail in the current plan. It's only in the preliminary plan. Is that correct? On a

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preliminary plan? Correct. Okay. So it needs to be. So we need to make a motion to amend that, to

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make sure that that bike and bike trail is there. Right. I'm going to amend it. Yes okay.

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thank you. So there's a point of process. Do we want to take these items one at a time as we

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go through them and let's so if we have a motion on item three be here with any changes. We'll

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take a vote on that. And then we'll go to the next consent item. Well, mr. Chairman, I

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would move that. We approve item three b subject to the addition of a 12 foot. You have a 12 foot

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hike and bike trail, as to be added to the plat. And if I might add to that, commissioner,

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as reflected on the preliminary plan, as reflected on the preliminary plat. Yes all right.

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so I appreciate that, have a motion to that effect from commissioner blanchett. Do we

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have a second to his motion on item three b? I'll second it. All right. Have a second from

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commissioner hamilton. All those in favor of approving item three b with that new, wording

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included, please raise your hand. And the motion carries 6 to 0. Unanimous all right. Thank

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you very much. Item three c, are you still up? Yes all right. I'm proceed. I'm sorry. Yes. Three c

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this is the, site plan for the incoming retail. Retail? This is a retail shelf and site plan,

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this is a 6579 square foot retail building, the history of this is a site plan was approved

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on august 17th, 2021. The site plan expired, so they didn't quite finish the process. And

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the, site plan? It will be. It will require approval as per planning zoning commission. As

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you see, this location, was brought to our attention was the, the points of access for

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this location, town of prospect requirements asked for a fire marshal. As long as this has two

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points of access and then there's, pnc or commissioner staff approval. And there is

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additional access that hasn't been shown on here on that commercial property to the west

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of the cima. Quick question. Did the original site plan expired, which is why it's coming back

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here, expired back in 2021? Yes. Is a site plan that we're reviewing essentially the same,

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or did they make a change to it in that time? Do you have the old I mean like, is this the did

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they just did someone just they decide not to develop or someone just forgot, you know, or, or

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did it in that time I was just curious because I it would it would help be helpful to know if

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a previous, I think I was actually on the commission at the time, if it was already

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approved, as is, it's just coming back to us for an approval simply because of the

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expiration as opposed to they changed it and made some something different about the

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plan. As far as the site plan is the same. Like I said, site plan is only good for 2424 months, as

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of august 2023. As you can see, there's an entirely new staff here. Okay. So gotcha. Just got

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gotcha. Okay thank you. One note the commission. Yeah, absolutely. In the 21 approval,

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it's a 70 235 foot building. And in this one it's a 6579 foot building. So it's like 10 or 12%

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less. So I'm not sure. I mean, I didn't necessarily matter. Just something changed. Something

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might have been us, one of the easements or the setbacks. And they added a fire control room

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or sprinkler riser room that they didn't have. But I didn't overlay it. But it looks. Yeah.

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thank you. In addition to that, they moved the parking around. They added they took away

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parking that was in the, the south back over to the last part of the property. So there are

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some slight changes in this. Okay. Thank you. They probably and they may have made some

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changes to align with ordinances that have changed over the last couple of years. You know,

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parking changes, things like that. And also I will say that, seeing this go through the process, there have been multiple changes regarding the, regarding this, fire access down

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that y'all can see. But, as far as the fire lines concerned, there were multiple changes, in

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our fire marshal. You know, he he stood his ground as far as making sure they made those

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required changes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I still I still see this as an issue. Just

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because of the access points on here. That, that section where they're going into that 711 and

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leaving out on the back end of the 711, richland still isn't open up, behind it. So that

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street was partially finished and they're using a one way as a two way right now down richland.

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at the same time, there is no access point to the car wash that may or may never come. And

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going into lasema right there at that corner, you did drive it into a community where right now

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it shouldn't have any trucks and things going through there, but because of how how things were

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approved probably ten years ago. Right. We're sitting in a situation where we have one

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access point that only could take two cars coming in off of lasema, which seems like it

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should be widened to at least fit a couple more. Or because when they go to make that first

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left to try to go to this fire lane, if they can, it's just going to be more congestion,

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especially going up towards those gas pumps. You know, commissioner blanchard said he

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saw just today no way to get in the place because of all the traffic for the cars. So I don't

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without without this actually having some real points of entry versus just this one. 711

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parking lot. It seems like like we're going to cause more accidents and more things on

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that, on that intersection that we don't need right now. Yeah, I'd echo, the comment on

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richland, it's absolutely a bit of a hazard. And I didn't think about that, commissioner jackson

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but that street is an open street. It's there. Which is ironic. It's not open, and so it

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does actually pinch that down. That's a very valid point. So what's the time frame for it to

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open? I mean, I mean, is it ready to go. It's been it's been under construction if it's done.

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but is it done. Striped and it just blocked off right now. Yeah. Yeah. Because they have to open up going towards coit and they have to open up going towards the walmart on. Well but

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actually to your point there's a turnaround right here that's there. So I don't know why that couldn't be open. Yeah so maybe is that I guess I asked staff I wonder if this moving forward. I

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mean do we know the timeline for when richland will open? I guess I mean, I would assume it's

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coming pretty quick, but at least a portion of it and you see there's two more plats right

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behind it, which means there's going to be more more stuff there with only the two little

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entryways. It just doesn't seem feasible. We denied the stuff on on the on the west side because

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of congestion. Correct. So I have a question and I've asked this many years ago, but on a on

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a consent agenda items. What if a consent agenda is not approved. What what would what

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happens then. Because consents are really not much changes on that. Right. Well the, the

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combination of different cases under consent is just a matter of convenience. And the

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commission or the council has the ability to draw items down off of a consent and act on them

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separately, as you all are doing here this evening. So the fact that an item is on consent

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agenda versus on a regular session agenda does not have an impact. More impact comes into

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play when we're talking about, something that is being considered under planning under

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chapter 212, the local government code versus something that's being considered for

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something where you have, discretion. So if it's denied, my understanding for consent

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agenda items, are they really met all of the required moments to be approved? This is really,

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you know, we can we can vote to deny it. But the, whoever's submitting could just resubmit

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it. And at some point we'll be forced to kind of go through it at all. So depending on the

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processes set out in the code of ordinances, it may be a situation where it's

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resubmitted, or it may be a situation where it's approved for the town council. Okay. Once we pull it from consent, it becomes basically a regular item. Yep but the difference is,

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is that all right. This is item three. See any other, comments or questions on three c at this

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point? I appreciate the explanation, sir. Appreciate that. I think three c and three d are the same. Yep. They're going to be aligned lined up. That's correct okay. Any other

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comments on either one. Well then I'll entertain a motion. Mr. Chair, could I ask a

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question? Would the commission consider tabling this for us to get final determinations from

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both engineering and fire marshals office, if somehow their their approval shouldn't

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have been. Yes, exactly. So we can get you some answers. I think that's one part. But the

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second part is you still have two more plats up above that are going to come back, probably

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looking similar, but another office or retail space, and you still only have those two. You

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can barely drive. I don't know if you guys actually drove over here, but that top part coming

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in to richland barely fits two cars side by side. So are they going to widen streets? What are

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they going to do? Well, if you widen the entrance off of 380, if it meets if richland is going

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to be open friday, which none of us, frankly, I'm sorry, didn't occur to me to find out when

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richland was going to be opened. I didn't realize it wasn't already open because as you say,

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it striped and it looks ready to go. So I'm not sure what's happening. But, if it turns out

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that it meets all of the code requirements and the only reason that we would be hesitant to

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approve it is because the successful and they have a lot of traffic, I'm not sure that's

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really something we can do. I would also tell you that this is especially this time of year,

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this is an extremely common occurrence of all of the convenience stores around town.

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the seven elevens, the exxon over at preston and prosper trail, they all get loaded up

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with with primarily landscape folks. They have their trailers on the back and it takes up a

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lot of room. They generally are not in a parking space, so they're blocking the drive through lanes as as you're saying, why? Right. Another entrance. Absolutely. And I can

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tell you you will see shortly, revision of the 711 that's up on preston and frontier because of

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that very problem. And they're taking over the lot next door and they're putting in additional parking. The drive through, like you see in rv and bus style parking where there's,

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you know, multiple space for the trailers to get in. They're putting ev charging stations,

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all sorts of things like that. It's the first one that 711 is done like that. It's in their

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plans to start going and retrofitting other places where they can. They realize it's a

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problem, our ordinances don't really address it. As I said it, just because they're successful,

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we can't necessarily punish them for that and say, well, we're not going to let you have any

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more business. Well, you know, we'll show you. So, as I said, what I'd like to be able to do

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if the commission is agreeable, is it at least on this one, you know, if we could table it and

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get some real answers and bring it back and make sure that it's like if we're going to table it

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now. Right. You guys should have done the due diligence ahead of time to actually come before us

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with these, with this information. So to say we're going to you want us to table it

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now so you can go back and get further information. Someone should have drove the property. We all do it when you guys send us out these packets, our information currently is that it

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meets the code requirements, which is why it's here. If the drive through at the kroger on

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the west side, with all those drive through stations met all those drive through restaurants,

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met the code at one point to somebody got hit by a car. Right. Then we have to go back

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and say, okay, did we do the right thing? This is one of those things where you're going

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to have more accidents. We're going to have different things right off of the sima, which is

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already off of 380. Going into that 711, because it's just not wide enough. There's also a lot

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of accidents on 380 because you there's not a dedicated turn lane in. So people slam on their

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brakes to turn into 711. And the person behind him is going 60 miles an hour. And, there's been

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a lot of chain reactions right at that entrance. I think that's sort of the. Yes, sir. If we

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could go into executive session, I can answer some questions for you from a legal perspective

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that might be helpful to the commission. Are we able to really go into executive session

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in accordance with texas local government code section 551 551 .071 at one zero current time.

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its current time is 6:26 p.m, so we are adjourned to do exec please note, 6:51 p.m, planning

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and zoning commission return from executive session into the public meeting. And if, where we

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picked up, or left off, I should say we're on item three c, and then we have three d next. So

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any other questions, jarren, appreciate you standing up there and waiting this time, any other questions for jarren or comments on three c at this point? If not on item three c, I'll entertain

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a motion, for item three c at this time I motion that we table it. And do you have to table it

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to a specific date perhaps. Do you need a date or just table in general. So next meeting. So I

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would suggest till the next meeting okay. Date is that next meeting june 4th. So okay I

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motion that we table item three c to the next meeting on june fourth. Okay. So we have a

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motion from commissioner jackson on item three c tabling to june 4th. Do we have a second to that

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motion. I'll second it. So we have a second from commissioner hamilton to table item three c to june 4th. All. Yes question. Yes, sir, in the purpose for tabling would be what what do we

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want them to be brought back to us to get back get more information on when is the

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access points going to be open, how soon do they think they're going to be able to get this up

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on the top? They show in their plat and I mean, in the in the site plan that there's a

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driveway coming from the back that's not there. When is that coming? Okay thank you. Yeah.

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good question. Good clarification. So all those in favor of approving the motion to

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table item three c to the june 4th meeting, please raise your hand. And we have 12345 in favor

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of that. Any opposed. And I'm going to raise my hand one against. So item three c is

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tabled to the june 4th meeting. All right. Moving right along. We have item three d. This is

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the final plat. And jaron I'll let you review that. Correct. Like I stated before this is a

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final plat. Purpose of final plat is to dedicate the easements necessary for the development of lot three. So this is all tied in to the previous, site plan. Any

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questions for darren on three d, I have a easy one, but you have two 15 foot drainage easements

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kind of back to back one, you know, ten years apart. What's the what's the purpose of those

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two? Why are they not maybe sharing just out of curiosity, I had to give it, engineering.

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then okay, I may circle back to you on that one. That's all, if there are no other questions,

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I'll entertain a motion on item three. D a motion that we approve item three d okay, so

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you have a motion for approval. Commissioner jackson, do we have a second, second, second.

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commissioner harris, on item three. D all those in favor of approving item three d, please

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raise your hand in motion. Carries 6 to 0. Unanimous on item three d. All right. Our

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last consent agenda. And jared, I don't know if this is your case or, is three g, three g.

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okay good evening. Commission, three g is a preliminary site plan to construct a two story,

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16,665 square foot medical office building and 11,000 square foot office building, and

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a 14,725 square foot retail building, on the west side, instead of the required,

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typically required may 6th foot masonry wall, we are proposing a living screen. As you can see

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here, and that living screen is recommended due to the existing wooden fence line that's already

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adjacent, to that residential development that's built already , and it's going to consist of

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new evergreen trees every 30 linear feet, with two evergreen trees in between each gap. So

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you can see, this is an update to the previous landscape plan that was in your packet, in your

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packet. These trees kind of, closer to the property line. We're a little bit smaller,

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they've taken away some of those to enlarge them, so that the gaps in between those 30 foot

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trees on center, will be filled in to provide more of a screen, and that plan has been provided

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for you in front of you as printed out in that 11 by 17. And I will now take any

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questions you guys have for me on this case. Can you specifically talk my questions

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around the two story building? Okay, question there is just the I think there was one of the

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plans that showed a setback from, setback from the residential property. Yes, I

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can't find it on my plan, it's if you can see that. There. 60ft. Oh, there we go. Sorry.

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and there's. That applies on both sides, right? Correct is that excuse me, is that

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different on a two story versus a single story? One story, I think it's 30ft. Okay and then

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was there any I guess it's not a . I guess was there any input or anybody any comments from

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surrounding residents or otherwise at all in any of these conversations? I haven't heard

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anything from anyone. On the 60 foot setback, what's the definition of that setback? And

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then I'll give you the question behind the question, the dumpster location. It's about

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16, 17ft off of the property. It looks like. Does that is that not have to be outside of that

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setback or can that be within the setback? Well, for the setback, it's the building, so

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the dumpster can be in that setback. The setback is for the building specifically. This is

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probably an elementary question, but what defines a building as opposed to an eight foot big

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wall of dumpsters in it? What's, a dumpster doesn't necessarily have a use that can go in it, so

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if you just put a dumpster on site, we wouldn't consider that a building per se, versus a,

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16,000 square foot building. Yeah I think it sounds like you guys gave some consideration to

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where the dumpster might make sense. Well, yeah, I mean, because it's. We know it's kind

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of closer to residential, but, there's a eight foot masonry closure. Then there's five foot

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landscaping around the dumpster. Then instead of, adjacent to residential, there's a 15 foot

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landscape buffer instead of your normal five from between commercial. And then there's

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that living screen. So we feel like it's been adequately screened away. It sounds like it

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meets the requirements. I don't necessarily like it, but it worked. Any other questions or

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this is just site plan is do we do do we have to approve anything with facade or

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building? No. At the well, so for facade plans, I don't think this pd specifies that it has to

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come in front of you guys, but they wouldn't have a facade plan provided until the site plan for

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this medical office here. Sounds good. Thank you. Yep any other questions on 3g this evening? If

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not, I'll entertain a motion on item 3g. A motion to approve item 3g. All

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right, well, we have a motion to approve item 3g from commissioner carlson. Do we have

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a second? A second? Who is first? Excuse me. Before you make commissioner harris second.

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I think we had a couple of seconds. We'll say commissioner harris for the record. Chairman. Yes, can you make that with the living screen, the request. So just approval with that living

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screen on the western side. Okay, so let's, maybe redo that. Let's redo that. So I'll motion

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to approve item 3g with the, living screen as specified in the, the new living screen in

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the site plan. Thank you. So a motion to approve 3g from commissioner carlson with the

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living screen. Do we have a second to that motion? I'll second it second from

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commissioner hamilton. All those in approving item 3g with the living screen. Please raise your

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hand. And the motion carries 6 to 0. All right. Next up this evening, citizen comments. The

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public is invited to address the planning and zoning commission on any topic. However, the commission is unable to discuss or take action on any topic not listed on this agenda. Please

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complete a public comment request form and present it to the development services department. Prior to the meeting, did we have any of those submitted prior to the

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meeting? We did not, and no others. So I think we'll move on to the, the next item this

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evening. All right. So now going to our regular agenda, item number four is consider and act

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upon a request to rezone 47 acres from planned development, 75 to a planned development for

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multifamily and mixed use, located at the northwest corner of dallas parkway and prosper

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trail. This is this is case zone dash 24, dash 0001. Thank you. Thank you, commissioners, this

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item was tabled on may seventh, to tonight's meeting. If you would make a motion to remove

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the item from the table, I would appreciate it. Okay I'll do. We have a motion to remove, I have

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another comment on that in a minute, but do we have a motion to remove? Please state that

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again, because I wish we would have talked about this a little earlier this evening, because

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this is killing us. It's not on anything we have. Yeah red in here. So what? What is the motion? What? What do we need for a motion? Move to remove item zone. Dash 24, dash 001

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from the table and considered. Okay can someone make that motion so moved. So moved from

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commissioner hamilton? Do we have a second to that second second from commissioner harris?

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all those in favor of approving that? Okay. That motion carries 6 to 0. Thank you. Sorry about

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that. You're welcome. Okay, commissioners, this item is before you as as mentioned

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before, you know, we've, heard this item on the april 23rd meeting, and discussed it, this

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project is at the north east. Excuse me. West corner of dallas parkway and prosper trail, at

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that time, it was tabled, and due to comments made at the at the meeting, a joint work

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session was held with planning, zoning commission and town council, there were some items

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that came from that as well as from the meeting that you had held on the 23rd, which we

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requested the applicant to address, there is a list of via email in your packet describing

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the items that the director indicated needed to be addressed. So, some of those

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things that were addressed were, phasing to have the retail component, some retail

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components at the beginning of the development to have structured parking for the

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multifamily. And let me get to the updated. Concept plan. So you'll see some changes to this

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on the north side, the multifamily, section or zone, rather than extending from

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shawnee trail to dallas park parkway, is now consolidated on the northwest corner in a

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wrapped structure where you have the garage centered. Additionally, the applicant has

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set a unit count for the entire development at 515 units. Updated. The uses were updated

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in consideration of those in the design guidelines for the d and t corridor. And, obviously

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exhibit c has been updated, and there are some modifications with an office building on the

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northeast corner and wrapping the sports court in the center. So, with that, I'll be glad to

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answer any questions you have. However I'd like to just, pull up the applicant's presentation

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because I think that they will be able to fill you in on more of the details, and then I will

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if you'll bear with me for just a moment. I just need to switch. Have a quick question. Yeah. A

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question for you. Yeah believe it or not, it's quick. And it's not about trees. In the. I don't

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know what this what document. This is in the packet. Okay. It is the I guess it's in the just

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our normal brief, on the background history, future land use plan. So it's on item. It

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talks about the multifamily zone. Sorry. It's on page seven of 12 of page 55 of the packet.

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so page seven of 12 of the brief. Okay, it talks about the multifamily zone and the mixed

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use zone, but I don't see where those are defined. I didn't know if there's a corresponding

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graphic or something. I mean, I know it's logical. I'm just kind of curious because I know there

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was multifamily in phase two or whatnot of this. So is there something that defines what the

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multifamily zone is? Yes. Different from the mixed use zone? Yes. Okay so that all

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right. So this is the older version. And you can see that the there's kind of a line that

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goes through the north. This this that was the defining line right there where this was the

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multifamily zone and everything south of this line was the mixed use zone. And then that line has

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just gotten a little tighter. So now it's just this corner is the multifamily zone and everything

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else is the mixed use zone. That's perfect. Thank you. Okay I had a quick question. So just

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and this is minor. How are we defining the difference between a cocktail lounge or the wording

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I think was like, no, cocktail lounge versus an alcohol. And beverage sales. I think one is a

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permitted use. We, we said one is permitted and one is we removed. I'm just wondering if

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is the difference the primary business. So they're not allowed to have a liquor store versus

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sell food and other things in addition to alcohol. So we did we did, remove the alcohol

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beverage establishment and alcohol beverage sales and added wine bar, cocktail lounge and a

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few other uses, so yeah, I just want to know that I'm just curious. I know that there's a

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difference between them, and I just, I wasn't able to find it in the, in the language. The

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difference between the two, the difference between alcohol beverage establishment and cocktail lounge. Cocktail lounge, commissioner, if I could the main reason we did that is

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because when you just talk about alcohol, sales, alcohol, beverages and sales and so

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forth, that's pretty wide reaching and covers a whole lot of areas. And in a couple of

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instances, we took categories like that and eliminated them and put in specific uses like

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the cocktail lounge, the wine bar, as opposed to, the previous one could be liquor stores. And

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those are not something that that we're fond of. And so that's the main difference. It

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was just to take out the broad based and, and define it a little more tightly to where it

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was. If it's not on the specific list, you can't do it. It's just from a, from because as I was as

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I was reading through it, you know, a cocktail lounge, I don't even know. I don't know

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necessarily how you would define a cocktail lounge, other than that's what they choose to call

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it. So if they just put if they decided, okay, we're going to sell alcohol and they're going

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to put a couple couches and maybe an outside fire pit, now you're selling alcohol, which

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again, I don't know that I have a huge problem with depending on the context. But, you know, it's

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almost a distinction without a difference. You know what I mean? Like it's you're calling

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it a cocktail lounge, but you're essentially doing the exact same thing as you would as an alcohol

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beverage establishment. You know what I mean? It's like a bar. It's both. Both are allowed.

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both one. You're correct. One does encompass the other, but the other the larger encompass

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the first, so to speak. When you think of a cocktail lounge, and primarily what we were thinking

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about is the lobby bar in the hotel, to me that's a classic cocktail lounge. Okay, whereas

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as having as used in your example, a couple of couches with a fire pit out in the lawn,

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you know, I mean, that's not a bad example. Don't get me wrong. You know that. You see that

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sometimes in resort hotels, you know, by the beach or the swimming pool and all that stuff that doesn't fit into that because it's not specifically listed. So it would have to be

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included as part of a hotel or the, cabanas. I've forgotten what they've called them now,

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but, you know, the other components that are in the hotel, which is the one on the

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other side. So got it. It just has to be a little more specific definition as opposed to being

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open ended for a specific use permit, typically bounded by time or is it an open open once,

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once obtained? It's indefinite. It depends. They can be. If the condition is at the beginning,

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they can be, but you can't come back after the fact and say, oh, you didn't do anything. So we're

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going to cancel this now. So it's transferable to. Right, transferable, transferable,

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right. It depends. You can limit that too depending upon the uses and locations and, and other

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things. So just back for your give us some background. We changed to allow wine bar and

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cocktail lounge. I don't take any exception to that being on the list, but we took off

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farmer's market and put it under a specific use permit. Would wine bar and cocktail? Don't we

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typically handle the wine bar and cocktail lounges? Is it alcohol related functions with

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specific use permits or no where we figure those are going to be located is in the hotels, and

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they would have to be. They don't all have to be in the hotels. You know, it could also

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be in a restaurant or another location. But all of those require alcohol licenses from

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the state. And so they already have that built in process. Just because we have it on the list

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doesn't mean they can open a wine bar. They have to get the alcohol license and depending

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upon the location, it may even require an sup. Those will fall back into our standard regulations that we have that are not specifically addressed in the pd. So most of those

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steps are still there other than whether or not it's a permitted use. And so if it's not listed,

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it's not a permitted use. And it doesn't matter. You can't go get your alcohol license from the

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state if it's in a location or it's a, a certain type of alcohol sales, let's say, that

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doesn't fit into one of those specific categories. What is the purpose of why farmers market

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and pet daycare were moved to an supp versus just a permitted use ? Because I had a couple of

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comments that kind of pushed back on having those as outright, by. Right. And we

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thought, okay, well, we'll just put them in an supp. So that way people will have the opportunity

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to express opinions about it. And, and in all honesty, the farmer's market not that I think

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they would do something like this, but, you know, the farmers market could be a little loose,

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or it could be nice and tidy. And the supp allows it to make sure that it's not a little

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loose. And nice and tidy. So that's the main reason. And then the daycare kind of the same

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thing, you know, generally speaking it has to have some type of an outside run or a

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kennel. You know, the animals, depending on how long they're there, if it's a daycare versus

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a, you know, a pet spa kind of place where they're just there to get their nails done, have a

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bath and go home, you know, they have to, to get outside. So we figured we'd we'd want to have

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some type of ability to, to control where that run would be and how it would be maintained.

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and so forth. It's just about trying to be able to manage these different types of uses.

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does the extended stay hotel approval because it's, in the by right. I know that the intention

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is the rehabilitation aspect of the medical center or facility of their building. Yes, sir.

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could that because it's a part of a by right approval if the property is. I'm not saying

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let's say if the property was sold, this would transfer to the new owner. Could they interpret

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an extended stay hotel differently and put potentially put an extended stay hotel on

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the property? It could have been when we had the extended stay at the beginning, and we've tweaked

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this list several times, but we went back and we put the notice it's number 24. It says hotel

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residents extended stay. And then in parentheses it has h02. That's the I call it the

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obelisk. And I know they probably cringe when I say that, but it's the tower building that

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that's there. That's the only place the extended stay could be. And that's primarily what

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that's for. There is. And you'll get a better explanation than what I'm doing right now. But

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that's for people who are in rehab from, some type of surgery right out knees, elbows,

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whatever it happens to be. And so they would stay there for an extended period of time until

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they've recovered. But it's specifically limited to just the h02. And so if they sold it and

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somebody else came in later, unless they built an h02, they wouldn't be able to do the

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extended stay. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. That's it for me. Okay . So at this point, are we

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turning it over to the applicant, then, is that the water plan? Is I just I'm asking

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. Yes. We would request that the applicant be able to present. All right. That's awesome. Thank

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you all. I appreciate everybody's work so far. Do we go through the exact same? I think this is going to be a little different presentation. Good evening. Good evening,

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chairman and commissioners. Thank you so much for allowing us to come and present to you

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tonight. I just want to let you know again who is here from our team, so you know who is

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available to be able to answer any questions. And since the last time we saw you, we've been

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listening. We've been working very hard with with your wonderful town staff. And so

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we're we're very hopeful and very pleased with what we believe we're going to present

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tonight, I know this isn't a public hearing, but not have you go ahead and state your address.

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thank you. Thank you for that. Lori medina for 308 shamrock drive, frisco, 75034. Thank you,

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and so first we have kristen magana, the owner of the land who's owned it for a couple of

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years. Sean ellis, the ceo and founder of house of tangram, the developer on the property, his

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chief development officer, brian lockridge for house of tangram. We have mike martini, the

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engineer from spears, it's our civil engineer working on the project. Barry hand with

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gensler. Of course, we have john chief. He's outside counsel for house of tangram. He's here with

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chief and stone. And then we have molly johnson, in-house counsel for house of tangram

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also. So we're all here, and we're excited about what we're going to presented tonight

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because like I said, I, there's some really big things I think that we're going to be bringing

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to the town of prosper, one of the things just, you know, is that this would be the first

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full service hotel that's going to be in prosper. This is the first structured parking garage

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in the town of prosper. So there's some really significant things that we'll be bringing to

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you, that I hope you see as a, as a commercial economic engine that will be on the dallas north

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tollway for you. Thanks. Krishna nimmagadda 5804 south wind lane and, mckinney 75070. Thank you

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all for having us here. Really appreciate all the feedback we got from the commission, from

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the council session and all the guidance from the staff. Thank you all. I'd also like to invite

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barry, who's a gangster, and then sean, my group, my partner in crime on this. We thought we

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couldn't have done this without them, so as we thank you, I just wanted to state that, we heard

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on almost all of the concerns we heard we have taken all of that seriously and tried to implement

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it. Some of the things around. Hey, is this flood recovery possible to, like, what's the

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multifamily structure? Parking whatever that those things are. But before we go into the detail

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and let barry talk, I want to state that we had a holistic view for this property. I had

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people that wanted to build a daycare and where you see retail, I still have people

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lined up to buy it for a daycare site and a strip mall. We didn't want to do that. We wanted to

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develop a destination that we all can feel proud of, that I stated earlier and that's this design was done on purpose, the flood area was not to just recover more land, but it's to

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make sure there is water around the year and you can have a water feature in the current

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state. There's no way we could have a water feature. Our architects are there. This was all. Most of it was done consciously to create like an ambiance of where people can

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come and hang out, but again, we have taken all of your feedback, try to implement it. I'll have,

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you know, barry talked through some of these changes, and I state that our intent is to

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develop all of it, at the same time. If we could, but but practically practical reasons,

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we are phasing it, but one thing that I'll say is, like we're doing the entire infrastructure

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in phase one, the entire 35 acres of infrastructure with the water, with everything. The

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recovery in phase one. Right. We don't want we want retail as much as prosperous don't want,

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because retail is the defining feature for us. We have been having discussions with all the way from lincoln property to big mall operators like you. R.w. Right, the retail is very

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important for heart, hotel carbon and everything. So that's one commitment we had like

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entire infrastructure in phase one for entire 34 acres, including. So no questions, no

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no vortex for us. Right. So that's and then again, just for what it's worth, the entire

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development is like more than $350 million, right? Like whether it's multifamily, whether it's infrastructure, 10 million multifamily is a small component of it. It's a

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fraction, 25% max or 30% in terms of the cost for carbon is just more than hotel. We'll have

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sean talk about it. It's a $150 million investment for the hotel and all all the office and the

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features and 100,000ft■!s of retail. The entire property has 200,000ft■!s of retail. We are

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building 100,000 in phase one, in hockey carbon. So that's our intent is to activate the entire

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35 acres and the entire intersection, not just make money off a small portion.

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right. So you'll see that in our approach, and gensler, we have been burning their time as well,

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hopefully we'll meet up to everything. So with that, like, barry, I'll let you speak and

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happy to answer any. Thank you. Krishna, mr. Chair and planning commission, my name is barry,

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and I'm an architect and a practice area leader and a principal with gensler at 5005

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greenville avenue in dallas, we have a practice of about 40 people that does projects like

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this, we're we're proud of projects like legacy west and discovery district downtown that

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are really rich and productive. Placemaking projects, krishna mentioned wanting to do

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something more here, and that's when they engaged us about, I don't know, was it a year ago to

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start looking at this site, it is a unique opportunity for you as a town to kind of build that

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new node of placemaking and, kind of pull some catchment from around you. There was some

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discussion when we met a couple of weeks ago about, going to legacy west and needing a place

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in prosper. We think this will be that place and prosper, but we've got to really curate a

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rich environment that differentiates itself from other , in some cases, larger

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developments. So so you saw the presentation of placemaking last week, and it was kind of a fog

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of war, a little bit. And maybe we missed a few things. So you'll be glad to know we're not

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going to show you, the entire illustrative package tonight. But what we do want to do as

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david and suzanne said, focus on where the changes were as krishna said, we listen to you.

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we heard and david sent us a summary, I think, to all of us of kind of the consensus that

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came out of the work session a couple of weeks ago. So I'm going to talk about just very

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briefly, and I've got some exhibits here. I'm going to maximize this. David so we can,

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thumb through with page down here. Sean, this is the new conceptual master plan that

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you've kind of been seeing in and around some images. We actually had a chance to go back

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in and really richen this core, we heard you loud and clear on ed parking, rap type,

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multifamily. We heard you very clear on counts as far as kind of where your guidelines are

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limiting you. In the town of 7 to 7000. So we're going to talk briefly about that. And then I'm

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going to take a little interlude and let sean spend the time that we didn't spend two weeks ago with you walking through what hotel carbon is. Trust me, it's way more than just a hotel. This

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is a unique structure and infrastructure, kind of reinventing the way we do hotel

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business, especially around sports and performance. There are so many sports, proposals up

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and down the tollway now, if you could only just see it in our studio, some of the things we're

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working on that are, of course, under under india's. But the, the core of sports and sports

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medicine that frisco has begun down around the star and then potentially coming up into

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prosper is going to blow you away in 10 to 20 years. So we're tapping into that. And that's

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what sean will talk about again, as david said, we've been able to tighten up our suzanne said,

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we tightened up the multifamily. This this one hurts. But we did it, it's going to take some

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pain, we are showing a wrap structured parking product on the north west corner, and that

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allows us a little bit of space to move hotel carbon and the xa2 tower northward, but also still

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have about a three acre parcel for, that office building, which could also support medical or

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rehab type uses, you'll notice that the core of the mixed use has also been kind of richened.

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and then there's an axis that runs between the two hotels. Kind of like you see at the

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star, that little play field you have at the star, that axis that runs east west through the

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project. We really happy about that. And we think that's potential placemaking as well.

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so let me just kind of thumb through these quickly and then I want to I said I was going to do

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this right. But it sounds like we'll just have to scroll. David okay. So we talked a little bit

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about the phasing. Not a huge difference over what we talked about a couple of weeks ago, other than just kind of dialing in against the new plan and some of the revisions that are a

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product of that. So if you can see the cursor, our phase one band is this, I guess that is an

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orange color, pink orange color. And then again, building our way across phase three two, which

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would begin at about 50% of phase one. A lot of this has to do with construction, logistics,

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and then working our way off the site with phase three, with the retail village down here. And

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then once we can get office, really going enough to build that office building, which

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could happen sooner or later. Right now we've got it pegged as phase four, but again, if we can

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continue momentum with you guys and get through council, we'd like to see phase one

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construction, which which consists of the hotel, the xa2 tower, the structured parking

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deck here, which supports a lot of these uses. And this multi family, building right across

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the northwest corner, that would be phase one, beginning in about a year. If we could start that

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in a year. In addition to that, as krishna said, all the infrastructure for the project

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would happen at that time too. So that's real key. We heard some comments earlier about, hey

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, what if they only built the hotel and the multifamily and then walked away from it? The

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intent is to ready phases two and three to come along in subsequent years by building

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this kind of curated channel, and just so you know, we've got a lot of these projects. We

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just, if you've been to the gate down in frisco, that was, strangely enough, that was a

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wetland because the farmer who sold that land, he was smart enough to breach the dam on the

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pond and get rid of the water before he sold it, but unfortunately, it left about. He

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didn't breach fully the dam. It left about two feet of water in the dam. So the federal

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government deemed it a wetland so that particular landowner had to go through the same process.

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and if you've driven through the star, I'm sorry, the gate which is north of the star, you'll see

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some pretty serious work, for how that wetland was curated. That is a very dense also

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development in that. And so you'll see a lot of infrastructure. We had another

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wetland project similar to this, in plano at 121, where that wetland was a very small

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manipulation. I believe your engineer mentioned earlier that if you keep it at about 300

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linear feet, it's a very minor kind of a form type approval. So this stuff happens all day,

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every day around us in north texas. And again, if I could close on this image by saying

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the waterway really is the value here, we want to kind of shrink it down. It's about 100 yards

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wide right now, and that's too wide to maintain the energy across this mixed use village.

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so we need to shrink it down horizontally to a width that people can see one another and

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interact across with. So if you think of the floodplain as you have it now, it's a very shallow

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but wide ravine. Well, and I was talking to mike, our engineer at the break. What we'll do is

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deepen it and narrow it like that. You still have to have the same amount of hydrology and

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storage, but instead of it being very flat and wide, like that, it'll be deepened and narrowed.

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so it probably will have a constant level in it, like the one at the gate down in frisco.

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but it's also deep enough and wide enough to handle any flood events. So this stuff happens

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all day, every day. And then you can see on right here under phase one, you can see the

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components that go into phase one, including hotel carbon. Sean's going to come and talk.

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just we're going to kind of lightning round through some really rich imagery that's been developed for hotel carbon and the xa2 tower, so that you understand a little better what

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exactly is happening there. So let me move on to that. So again , hotel carbon is that complex

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along the tollway, kind of a gateway in and out of prosper. It's across the water. That's

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part of phase one. And then we did have these illustrative images along the tollway service

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road of what hotel carbon. These are concept cars. What hotel carbon in the xa2 tower will

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look like setting a kind of setting it, setting a mood. These these this is a hotel for

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athletes. Okay, sean. Yep. Okay. Sean ellis, founder and ceo of house of tangram. We're at, five

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cowboys way, in frisco, I live in denver, colorado until july 1st, and then I'll be here in

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prosper. So we've we're looking for houses. Oh, well, it takes a while. Thank you. So, I'm going

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to just sort of take a step back for a you a little bit of history of, of us

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and, hotel carbon and then bill and then we can catch up. And they've kept me behind the

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scenes for a while. So I need to catch up. So, we are a incubation company. We incubate

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hotels and hotels essentially have not changed in 1400 years. Basically you have a room, you

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sleep in it. Maybe there's some food and beverage. That's it. Right. And you, you hear all the

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time, all the way through university, that sort of thing. That's it's location. Location

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location. Right. We don't believe that. We believe that it's time to look at hotels in a

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way that is specific to a demographic, in this case, athletes. We know that athletes

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are traveling here. So we can sort of set aside that, location , location. We know we tick that

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box, right? So then we start to say, okay, what do athletes need specifically? So there's a whole

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list, right? And this is changed since 2009. And I'll tell you what happened in 2009. Streaming

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started and streaming services put a ton of money into sports is astronomical, right? You can

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chart, payroll in sports, you can value of sports teams. It all started in 2009. Really that

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hockey stick side of it. And really that's based on people buying, streaming services. And

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when that money came into those pro sports and the large sports organization, they pushed it

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down to youth. They set a they set an age of 12 to start to travel. And for many years it

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was pay to play, the richest, parents could pay for their kids to play on whatever team. Right.

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and that's, that's switched just a few years ago. And, and the way that switched is when all

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that money came in. Now, it was the most qualified athletes. Nobody better to talk to than

551
01:01:23,541 --> 01:01:23,541
prosper about sports. And the 12 to 18, 19 years old. And it just keeps going. Right. We already

552
01:01:33,384 --> 01:01:33,384
know college sports, all that sort of thing. But I know I'm preaching to the choir. Right.

553
01:01:38,989 --> 01:01:38,989
the isd here is leading edge. So that's why we're here right? We put this together. We put hotel

554
01:01:45,329 --> 01:01:45,329
carbon together. And specifically we added technology to what athletes need. And I'll

555
01:01:52,235 --> 01:01:52,235
take you through that in just a second. We put our money together $140 million. And we

556
01:01:58,842 --> 01:01:58,842
found lori medina and we said to lori, tell us where to go. And she's taken us through this

557
01:02:05,315 --> 01:02:05,315
whole process. We're here because she said, you've got to meet krishna. So we beat

558
01:02:11,321 --> 01:02:11,321
krishna. We now are trying to tell someone about technology and hotels. When you look at

559
01:02:19,196 --> 01:02:19,196
regular hotels, there's zero technology, right? Thank goodness krishna gets it, lori

560
01:02:24,968 --> 01:02:24,968
gets it. And now here we are trying to show you what $140 million hotel looks like. It's

561
01:02:32,141 --> 01:02:32,141
144 rooms and it costs $140 million. So a million dollars a room that doesn't pencil. So so

562
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:40,950
it's a mixed use facility. So the idea is we add the technology part of it and the

563
01:02:46,122 --> 01:02:46,122
technology is a tracking device. So basically you where the athletes wear rings now that

564
01:02:50,993 --> 01:02:50,993
track their heart rate, they put something behind their ear. They wear it on their wrist. Whatever

565
01:02:55,298 --> 01:02:55,298
happens to be we added that into a hotel. So that wearable then activates the space you're in.

566
01:03:02,005 --> 01:03:02,005
it opens your room, you can load in your allergies so you won't even see a menu item that

567
01:03:08,544 --> 01:03:08,544
doesn't. That has peanuts. If you're allergic to peanuts, right. So we use a system

568
01:03:12,915 --> 01:03:12,915
that's, more detailed than gps. We can tell within five centimeters where someone's at.

569
01:03:21,923 --> 01:03:21,923
this is important. If you send your child, to a hotel. And what room and what floor they're on,

570
01:03:29,131 --> 01:03:29,131
or who's near your child, that sort of thing, this matters, right? It matters all the way

571
01:03:34,202 --> 01:03:34,202
through. Safe sport is what looks after our kids these days when they travel. And again,

572
01:03:39,140 --> 01:03:39,140
they're starting to travel at 12 years old without parents. This is this is now. This is

573
01:03:43,845 --> 01:03:43,845
happening. So a hotel carbon takes that technology. She puts the wearable on, and then the

574
01:03:49,618 --> 01:03:49,618
athlete can opt in. They can say, yep, I'll share my information or I'll only share a

575
01:03:54,222 --> 01:03:54,222
part of it, that sort of thing. And then we can then curate the spaces for those athletes. We

576
01:04:00,996 --> 01:04:00,996
first start with nine foot beds, right? Our beds are nine feet long, showers are taller, we

577
01:04:08,703 --> 01:04:08,703
take the, wet room out of the, shower area. The sinks, that sort of thing. If you look at

578
01:04:16,911 --> 01:04:16,911
the way the room is laid out on the left, it's for student athletes. There's two places

579
01:04:22,750 --> 01:04:22,750
where they can two double occupancy, where they can study, and then the closet is like a

580
01:04:29,090 --> 01:04:29,090
professional, locker right at the end of the hallway, there's a locker room, light physio,

581
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:35,829
that sort of thing. And then the other end of the hallway is what we call a social space. And that

582
01:04:42,469 --> 01:04:46,273
keeps those athletes on one floor. Right. So if it's the younger athletes that are just starting to travel, right, they're not up and down the elevators. If they're the older

583
01:04:50,711 --> 01:04:50,711
athletes who are seasoned, they have a place. It's their sense of place. They don't have to

584
01:04:56,783 --> 01:04:56,783
leave their floor. It's either their their position or their team, that sort of thing that

585
01:05:01,654 --> 01:05:01,654
allows us then to look after them as, as we say, a 360 athlete. Right? So if you live

586
01:05:09,229 --> 01:05:09,229
in the area within ten miles, we think this is your this is your center of town, right? So you're

587
01:05:16,135 --> 01:05:16,135
going to go to hotel carbon and you're going to train at high altitude training center.

588
01:05:20,439 --> 01:05:20,439
there's only one right now that's available to the public. And it's only a sliver of the

589
01:05:25,345 --> 01:05:25,345
public, in colorado springs, you can train at any elevation you want. Well, with us, you can

590
01:05:31,551 --> 01:05:31,551
dial it in, right? You can. You can train at 6000ft, but then you sleep at sea level. This is

591
01:05:37,690 --> 01:05:37,690
athletes of tomorrow. This is what's happening, right? Anybody who has a high school athlete

592
01:05:42,261 --> 01:05:42,261
right now, you're paying $125 a month here in north texas for your child to have compression

593
01:05:50,670 --> 01:05:50,670
at the end of each at the end of each, workout, at the end of each competition, they go

594
01:05:55,909 --> 01:05:55,909
through that whole recovery process, getting their blood flow. They they know a lot

595
01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:01,380
better than we do how to take care of bodies. Right in this day and age. Let me see if I can

596
01:06:06,351 --> 01:06:06,351
go forward so that carbon culture I was talking to you about the band then goes all the

597
01:06:10,689 --> 01:06:10,689
way through, and it also affects the way retail happens. Right. And we're going to talk about

598
01:06:16,194 --> 01:06:16,194
retail in just a second here about us activating half of all the retail in the first phase,

599
01:06:25,404 --> 01:06:25,404
104,000ft■!s. In the first phas, most of it comes in the hotel carbon and surrounding area. And

600
01:06:32,644 --> 01:06:32,644
it's retail, it's recreation, it's experiential marketing. It's everything that you would

601
01:06:40,352 --> 01:06:40,352
want to do to attract someone to the area and then look after them. That middle section there,

602
01:06:46,858 --> 01:06:46,858
you see the three, pictures on the right, the one in the middle is an experiential marketing

603
01:06:52,964 --> 01:06:52,964
piece. It's called a drop. So let's say there's a there's a picture here that is of a nike

604
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:01,039
swoosh. Right. So you hold your camera up. If you've got the app, you hold your camera up and

605
01:07:06,411 --> 01:07:06,411
there's a shoe drop that's only available here and it's only available now. So if you're in

606
01:07:11,983 --> 01:07:11,983
the space you hold it up and you're like, oh, there's a drop happening. You pick your size

607
01:07:17,855 --> 01:07:17,855
and it's delivered to your room. That's us. That's the first phase of what's happening here.

608
01:07:22,126 --> 01:07:22,126
so what happens is you create that that I'm I'm in it, I'm going to buy it. I'm going to be

609
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:29,800
a part of it. And you start to look after people's health and, and, and their fitness. So that

610
01:07:34,604 --> 01:07:34,604
top level on this is the high altitude training center. So if you live in the area you can

611
01:07:41,678 --> 01:07:41,678
dial in, I'm going to come and I'm going to ride my bike at, at, you know, for 20 minutes at

612
01:07:47,351 --> 01:07:47,351
10,000ft. Or conversely, I'm going to I'm going to train at a lower elevation for a longer

613
01:07:53,456 --> 01:07:53,456
period of time, that sort of thing. You notice there's only a tiny little front desk on the

614
01:07:57,460 --> 01:07:57,460
left hand side. We do that on purpose. We take the people that normally work at the front desk

615
01:08:01,999 --> 01:08:01,999
and give them to the athletes there on the floors. So there's a small there's a small desk

616
01:08:07,437 --> 01:08:07,437
there it is on the left hand side. That's carbon culture. So each floor. So when you're there

617
01:08:11,441 --> 01:08:11,441
your team is looked after. So if you want to have a you know, if you're top level and you're 21

618
01:08:19,048 --> 01:08:19,048
plus and you want to have a champagne at after the pro competition, great. If you're

619
01:08:26,021 --> 01:08:26,021
entry level and you want to have t shirts made, that's the person that'll do it for you. They're

620
01:08:31,660 --> 01:08:31,660
on every floor and it's not added staff. It's not any of those things. We distribute them

621
01:08:36,766 --> 01:08:36,766
throughout. You can see the social space there. So now if you have that wearable and

622
01:08:41,270 --> 01:08:41,270
you've opted in, now we see you right? And we know you're a 19 year old female volleyball

623
01:08:49,478 --> 01:08:49,478
player d1 from indiana. So boom you're advertising comes up. That's you that you want to see

624
01:08:57,286 --> 01:08:57,286
that you've curated and if there's a drop you got your new shoes, that sort of thing.

625
01:09:03,025 --> 01:09:03,025
right. And we want you to present on your socials. Right. We want you to do a box opening

626
01:09:08,330 --> 01:09:08,330
of the newest shoe, the newest this, the newest that. And frankly, this is the way we can

627
01:09:14,069 --> 01:09:14,069
build $140 million hotel. If it's just the occupancy, then you've got a finite amount of

628
01:09:19,942 --> 01:09:19,942
money to be spent if you can market to people. So specific to who they are in the hotel now,

629
01:09:27,582 --> 01:09:27,582
there's an advertising component. That's a bad way to put it. But that's what it is.

630
01:09:32,153 --> 01:09:32,153
and advertising component that compounds the number of people that are in the hotel. Now, you

631
01:09:36,891 --> 01:09:36,891
know why it was so important for someone like krishna with his background and, and lori to say,

632
01:09:44,031 --> 01:09:44,031
okay, you've got to put you guys together because no one else is going to get this and it takes a

633
01:09:49,737 --> 01:09:49,737
long time for people to get it right. So the guest rooms, double occupancy on the lower

634
01:09:54,609 --> 01:09:54,609
floors, single occupancy on the upper, so you can't convert a hotel to be a hotel carbon,

635
01:10:01,716 --> 01:10:01,716
because the beds are nine feet long. So a standard bay is, whatever, 13, 14ft, something

636
01:10:06,921 --> 01:10:06,921
like that, with a nine foot bay, or with a nine foot bed, you have to widen everything.

637
01:10:13,494 --> 01:10:13,494
translation more expensive, more expensive room, more expensive wet room, that sort of thing.

638
01:10:19,366 --> 01:10:19,366
right? That's what's delivered here. Interior track. We have an interior and exterior track, the

639
01:10:25,272 --> 01:10:25,272
idea is that you're probably not if you're traveling, you're probably not going to do a hard

640
01:10:33,446 --> 01:10:36,917
workout, but you're always going to want to roll out. You're always going to want to do that. That light physio to get your heart rate up or get the lactic acid down. This is the idea is

641
01:10:42,522 --> 01:10:42,522
inside, outside, you can train condensing stairway. These are these are people that are in a

642
01:10:50,864 --> 01:10:50,864
team and they're traveling right. So there's a congregation area even though they can't be

643
01:10:55,101 --> 01:10:55,101
on each other's floors, which is restricted by the wearable, but they can meet and greet and

644
01:11:00,006 --> 01:11:00,006
interact, on the condensing stairway, always a marketing opportunity for, anytime visual.

645
01:11:09,348 --> 01:11:09,348
right. And this sort of gives you this the last, the last slide I have this gives you a

646
01:11:14,387 --> 01:11:14,387
visual of the quality level here. This is not a low end kids hotel, that sort of thing. You

647
01:11:21,027 --> 01:11:21,027
have plenty of those in in the area that are what we call select service. This is a full

648
01:11:27,433 --> 01:11:27,433
service, quality hotel, not over the top. There's not four seasons, but it's a quality

649
01:11:33,005 --> 01:11:33,005
hotel that's smart for the wellness and the athlete traveler. Again we you guys want

650
01:11:42,815 --> 01:11:42,815
to talk about the specific areas . Just one quick comment I want to make about sean and his

651
01:11:48,788 --> 01:11:48,788
investors. When they came in, they said, it's just not the six acres of hotel. They wanted

652
01:11:53,792 --> 01:11:53,792
control on the entire property, right. What goes next to it? Because it drives the experience

653
01:11:58,130 --> 01:11:58,130
and everything. Right? So they are helping us get the right retail or curated retail like

654
01:12:02,467 --> 01:12:02,467
they have. Hotel was behind it right at the same time. The whole 35 acres is just going to

655
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:08,440
be really, really the ambiance and the experience and the high end. You'll not see like a strip

656
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:14,279
mall. It's not in our benefit to put something cheap in there, because we have a $150 million

657
01:12:19,718 --> 01:12:19,718
hotel going in there. So I just wanted to reiterate that they were all in on the entire

658
01:12:24,922 --> 01:12:24,922
property. They wanted to make sure it's the right thing. That's happening. Very. Yeah,

659
01:12:30,996 --> 01:12:30,996
it's a great point. Hotel carbon is the design driver here, there are less expensive hotels to

660
01:12:37,969 --> 01:12:37,969
build, and maybe the project would be different if that was the case, but that's. I think

661
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:42,240
the reason sean called us is I need something really different here that supports the hotel

662
01:12:48,179 --> 01:12:48,179
carbon ethos, sean mentioned something about, stuff that you can only get here. We did that,

663
01:12:55,753 --> 01:12:55,753
at&t had hordes of marketing and branding people that we worked with at the discovery district

664
01:13:02,259 --> 01:13:02,259
and in their experience store downtown, just like the nike store in new york, you can only

665
01:13:07,031 --> 01:13:07,031
get things that are uniquely at&t at that experience store. And I think that's what sean is

666
01:13:13,304 --> 01:13:13,304
talking about for part of the retail here, that it's uniquely prosper arts district. You have

667
01:13:18,375 --> 01:13:18,375
to go there to get it, that's and that's part of the whole brand, the target marketing he's

668
01:13:25,182 --> 01:13:25,182
talking about. Look, I'm I'm not. I don't understand a lot of the technology that's in this

669
01:13:31,388 --> 01:13:31,388
stuff. Some of you guys may be tech guys, but target marketing is. It's everything now. So

670
01:13:36,026 --> 01:13:36,026
we're trying to design these spaces to facilitate that. So, back to the top here. We want to

671
01:13:43,733 --> 01:13:43,733
kind of get through this so we can talk more, arrangement of multifamily buildings. We heard

672
01:13:48,105 --> 01:13:48,105
you, that middle core there, is the wrap. Kind of stacked vertical, mixed use in the core

673
01:13:54,944 --> 01:13:54,944
of the project. And then this northwestern pro, multifamily has gone back as well to a wrap

674
01:14:00,683 --> 01:14:00,683
system with structured, parking. Of course, we're going to need a fire lane. We've already visited

675
01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:07,290
with your staff about that. You will need a fire lane around this building. So that's what

676
01:14:11,894 --> 01:14:11,894
you're seeing here. It will have some parallel on street parking, that's called ancillary. And we

677
01:14:16,765 --> 01:14:16,765
again visited with staff on on that, in the mixed use zone. I mentioned this particular piece

678
01:14:23,673 --> 01:14:23,673
here that will be parked in this multi-purpose garage. There's a lot of science here in the

679
01:14:29,144 --> 01:14:29,144
sharing, you know, planning going forward is all about parking sharing as some cities

680
01:14:33,850 --> 01:14:33,850
are literally abandoning parking requirements and kind of turning it back to the developers. Look,

681
01:14:39,588 --> 01:14:39,588
just build what you need. We're not going to get in the business of this. Cities like austin and

682
01:14:44,093 --> 01:14:47,530
fort worth have just literally zeroed out their parking requirements in their downtown areas. We know that won't work here, but sean, I don't think he mentioned this, but a lot of the

683
01:14:53,535 --> 01:14:57,305
people coming to hotel carbon, they're going to be coming on busses. We still built enough parking places for everyone, but a lot of the patrons at hotel carbon will come in on busses,

684
01:15:01,810 --> 01:15:01,810
last but not least, there was discussion a couple of weeks ago about the amount of units, we

685
01:15:08,617 --> 01:15:08,617
understand from that discussion and from david and suzanne that you've got about 515 units left

686
01:15:13,755 --> 01:15:13,755
in your, guidelines. So we'd like to split that amongst these two sites, it's a little low to

687
01:15:22,163 --> 01:15:22,163
build an optimum multi-use multifamily parcel, but we'll spread that around and find the

688
01:15:29,337 --> 01:15:29,337
developers that will do it again. All of this is finding an optimum count and curated mix

689
01:15:34,642 --> 01:15:34,642
that makes the project durable. It's to no one's advantage to build a project here that is not

690
01:15:41,916 --> 01:15:41,916
durable and then last but not least, on this page, codifying the maximum five stories or 60ft

691
01:15:49,824 --> 01:15:49,824
from finished grade and that's to the top occupied floor, typically, another change. Let's

692
01:15:56,530 --> 01:15:56,530
talk about this. There's been a lot of discussion about the water. I mentioned earlier that

693
01:16:02,536 --> 01:16:02,536
this, all the infrastructure and the waterway would be crafted in the first phase, but we've

694
01:16:07,275 --> 01:16:07,275
included verbiage or language here that the man made feature, in the approximate location of

695
01:16:14,047 --> 01:16:17,518
the existing creek bed, will be sized to accommodate the proposed development. Rest assured it is to the applicant. As a landowner, it is to his advantage to develop this as

696
01:16:24,291 --> 01:16:24,291
quickly as possible. There. There is no benefit to him carrying land that's no longer

697
01:16:31,231 --> 01:16:31,231
in ag exemption. Once this is zoned commercial or mixed use, his carrying costs change. It is

698
01:16:37,503 --> 01:16:37,503
to his advantage to build this out as quickly as possible. Trust me, we do this all over

699
01:16:43,810 --> 01:16:43,810
north texas. No applicant wants his land to sit fallow any longer than absolutely necessary

700
01:16:50,049 --> 01:16:50,049
. So. So we will continue beating the bushes to get that done, suzanne and david talked

701
01:16:55,788 --> 01:16:55,788
about, some of the updates to the allowable uses that is in this list. I won't spend a lot

702
01:17:02,762 --> 01:17:06,065
of time picking through those, david, unless there are any questions, I think you've already covered the farmers market. Again, this project is curated on purpose to have a

703
01:17:11,638 --> 01:17:11,638
richness in it that doesn't exist in some of our bigger mixed use projects. I would love

704
01:17:17,376 --> 01:17:20,980
to see a cute little farmers market in the middle of this village on saturday mornings. It's a great way to activate a retail space on saturday mornings. They tend to be

705
01:17:25,385 --> 01:17:25,385
temporary. They kind of set up in the morning and they're gone by noon. But if we could have a

706
01:17:30,623 --> 01:17:30,623
farmers market type thing, we think that's very appropriate for the brand of prosper. And

707
01:17:36,128 --> 01:17:36,128
what what was built into some of the original images we showed you. Pet daycare. I'm not going

708
01:17:42,134 --> 01:17:42,134
to comment on that. I don't know that we've got a business plan for that. Anyway, but anyway,

709
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:47,439
the, the farmers market and, the liquor license that was mentioned, the alcohol will be

710
01:17:54,379 --> 01:17:54,379
managed so carefully. There's nothing more regulated in texas. Mixed use projects than than

711
01:17:58,717 --> 01:17:58,717
alcohol sales. That said, it's also along with parking, kind of the lifeblood of these projects.

712
01:18:05,089 --> 01:18:05,089
and that will be a separate channel that we need to work in with this applicant. Curating

713
01:18:10,762 --> 01:18:10,762
the right liquor license. These are some of the images that you saw a couple of weeks ago. There

714
01:18:17,469 --> 01:18:17,469
was a question about how do we know we're going to get that? We want to build this, but we've

715
01:18:24,075 --> 01:18:24,075
also curated here at number eight some language that assures you, play off the historical

716
01:18:29,747 --> 01:18:29,747
features throughout the town of prosper. And then as, development feels connected to

717
01:18:34,619 --> 01:18:38,456
the town as a whole, modern elements and artistic suppression, just like hotel carbon, hotel carbon is a bit of a modern interpretation, but it's pragmatic, utilitarian

718
01:18:44,195 --> 01:18:44,195
materials and that's the key for how we accomplish that. We want to see a cohesive vision

719
01:18:51,335 --> 01:18:51,335
throughout the entire project. So I'm going to stop right there and park on this plan, because I

720
01:18:57,808 --> 01:18:57,808
know you might have some questions and end our verbal presentation right there. So

721
01:19:06,717 --> 01:19:06,717
really appreciate that review. So that that's kind of the end of your presentation this

722
01:19:11,188 --> 01:19:11,188
evening. We got other graphics if questions questions come up okay. As far as you know

723
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:16,760
financial metrics and hotel population metrics, you know, kind of the science behind some

724
01:19:22,466 --> 01:19:22,466
of this. Yeah. But we'll stop right there for any questions. No, I appreciate that. So back

725
01:19:26,970 --> 01:19:26,970
to the commission. I think as we look, I know there's going to be a lot of questions coming from a

726
01:19:32,309 --> 01:19:32,309
lot of different people this evening. And I don't know if it makes sense as we kind of go

727
01:19:36,813 --> 01:19:36,813
through if, you know, commissioner harris, you have a bunch of questions, we say, hey,

728
01:19:41,050 --> 01:19:41,050
it's your turn. You go through your list of questions. If we want to do that. I don't know

729
01:19:45,221 --> 01:19:45,221
how many questions everyone has, but it might make it go a little quicker than us jumping around

730
01:19:51,361 --> 01:19:53,929
and asking the applicant or the staff. So on this case, one thing, before we get into questions and this is for staff, I guess just kind of reiterate that, staff is recommending

731
01:19:58,501 --> 01:19:58,501
approval of this case this evening and, and kind of do the justification of that approval.

732
01:20:04,406 --> 01:20:07,809
you know, we talked about that in some of the work sessions. What any concerns y'all have about anything. But overall the benefit of this, this or that makes it worth approval. So

733
01:20:14,183 --> 01:20:14,183
might explain that approval and how y'all came to that. Sure. Thank you, staff is recommending

734
01:20:18,820 --> 01:20:18,820
approval, we find that the applicant, the application meets the guidelines. The dallas north

735
01:20:25,861 --> 01:20:25,861
tollway that it is providing a mixed use development that will enhance, you know, it has

736
01:20:34,770 --> 01:20:34,770
elements that are unique to it, to provide walkability and a family friendly environment, and

737
01:20:41,809 --> 01:20:41,809
so, and, you know, in on april 23rd, we brought this to you with a recommendation of

738
01:20:50,152 --> 01:20:50,152
approval as well. And then after hearing your comments, coordinating with the applicant,

739
01:20:55,090 --> 01:20:55,090
we feel that they have addressed the different items of concern. And so we are continuing our

740
01:20:59,661 --> 01:20:59,661
recommendation of approval. And did we have a summary slide in our packet that showed the

741
01:21:05,167 --> 01:21:09,104
changes that there were some key bullet points. Here's what we had. The first phase that we saw this on april 23rd. And the changes like for example, I know what the cap is, what 515 on

742
01:21:14,342 --> 01:21:14,342
multifamily now. But when we started this on april 23rd, where was that that number at?

743
01:21:19,013 --> 01:21:19,013
it was at 500. It was what? Yes there was no particular. We had a cap of 500. You are correct.

744
01:21:25,753 --> 01:21:25,753
the applicant indicated 500 in the meeting, though it was not in the, standards. It indicated

745
01:21:32,093 --> 01:21:32,093
500 in the meeting. But what was the. It could go higher than that, right? Yeah. The

746
01:21:36,864 --> 01:21:36,864
calculation that I had was like 800. But they at that meeting had confirmed that 500 would be

747
01:21:42,169 --> 01:21:42,169
the cap, which I, I guess I was a little confused on the comment about 515 was a little bit low

748
01:21:47,875 --> 01:21:47,875
when I thought in the meeting we were under five. We were at 500 at that meeting. Kind of what I

749
01:21:54,548 --> 01:21:54,548
was thinking in relation to the market and the market. So maybe if there's a slide there, I just

750
01:22:00,321 --> 01:22:00,321
want to see where we started and where we're at. Like kind of the yeah, there we go. That's what I

751
01:22:05,492 --> 01:22:05,492
wanted right there. Perfect okay. So these were the main points of alterations. So added

752
01:22:12,199 --> 01:22:12,199
a maximum number of residential units for the overall development being 515. Added lot

753
01:22:19,339 --> 01:22:19,339
coverage of 45% to the multifamily zone that is already a standard for just general

754
01:22:24,210 --> 01:22:24,210
multifamily district. But we wanted to clarify it in the in the standard, the minimum

755
01:22:29,782 --> 01:22:29,782
dwelling area, was edited in order to remove efficiency units and then increase the minimum

756
01:22:38,091 --> 01:22:38,091
unit size to 850, you can have one and two bedrooms and then a max 10% of any three bedrooms.

757
01:22:46,366 --> 01:22:46,366
we the standards were modified, in order to ensure that the multifamily was a wrapped and on

758
01:22:54,473 --> 01:22:54,473
their current plan and in the standards it says, you know, 75% shall be wrapped, and any,

759
01:23:01,246 --> 01:23:01,246
exposed garage will have to be have a cladding and kind of look like a building and, and

760
01:23:09,121 --> 01:23:09,121
disguise that doesn't look like a garage, removed specific examples for the multifamily

761
01:23:14,660 --> 01:23:14,660
amenities, that was just in an effort to the applicant had indicated that there would be

762
01:23:22,067 --> 01:23:22,067
upscaled amenities and then they just to have the flexibility of proposing those they will be

763
01:23:27,673 --> 01:23:27,673
reviewed by the director whenever the application comes in, so, so another item that was

764
01:23:35,447 --> 01:23:35,447
identified and modified was updated off street parking to account for the removal of

765
01:23:42,220 --> 01:23:42,220
efficiency units. So ratios we didn't get into ratios initially with the standards, but we just

766
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:49,160
ensured that, that the efficiency units were removed updated permitted uses. And

767
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:55,400
we've kind of talked about that where I have a list here and in your packet of what was removed

768
01:24:02,907 --> 01:24:02,907
and what was added both to permitted uses and the scp. We added a section about linking

769
01:24:12,216 --> 01:24:12,216
the architectural elements in the mix within the mixed use zoned historical features

770
01:24:18,356 --> 01:24:18,356
throughout the town. Prosper, as the applicant just indicated, added to the planting standards,

771
01:24:22,693 --> 01:24:22,693
requirements for usable open space and trails and then added a second sentence in the

772
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:29,800
detention retention section that addressed the man made water feature. And that would be sized

773
01:24:35,506 --> 01:24:35,506
to accommodate proposed development on both sides, as shown on the conceptual plan and

774
01:24:39,610 --> 01:24:39,610
then updated phasing plan and you know, there were there were other text, little smaller text

775
01:24:44,949 --> 01:24:44,949
amendments. You have a red line of the modifications. The intent really was to ensure that the

776
01:24:51,721 --> 01:24:51,721
text described the pictures because that had been something that had been requested to make

777
01:24:58,329 --> 01:24:58,329
sure. The images are in the are you talking about the facades? They are part of the windows.

778
01:25:11,575 --> 01:25:11,575
yes, yes. So let me make sure I understand that. So those images that that were part exhibit f

779
01:25:18,882 --> 01:25:18,882
and would have been part of the ordinance, but the language now matches, we're going to have

780
01:25:23,352 --> 01:25:23,352
some historical features to, to tie those together, I can't think of any other ones

781
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:30,359
specifically to the architectural standards. Okay. And this goes to council when

782
01:25:40,503 --> 01:25:40,503
their next meeting goes next week, may 28th. Next week. Next okay. So I think for a point of

783
01:25:48,077 --> 01:25:48,077
process here this evening and it's random luck we can do this 1 or 2 ways. Commissioner

784
01:25:54,884 --> 01:25:54,884
hamilton, we can start with you and work our way down with all the questions we may

785
01:25:59,155 --> 01:25:59,155
individually have to try to keep it a little quicker, or just who wants to step up, because I'm

786
01:26:03,525 --> 01:26:03,525
sure each of us have several questions or may or may not. And some of those may get answered

787
01:26:08,698 --> 01:26:08,698
as we go through the process. So whoever wants to start off with their questions, I'd say you

788
01:26:13,169 --> 01:26:13,169
have the floor. Let's go through the questions. You have, and then we'll go on whoever wants

789
01:26:17,673 --> 01:26:17,673
to step up next. And we'll just do that because I know there will be a lot of comments. I'll

790
01:26:22,444 --> 01:26:22,444
start off. I'm going to start off. You don't have to, but it could be anything. Okay. To

791
01:26:26,548 --> 01:26:26,548
start off first, I just want to say, what a amazing job of updating the information in a

792
01:26:31,152 --> 01:26:31,152
very short period of time in a week and a half or two week turnaround. It was a I was

793
01:26:36,692 --> 01:26:40,094
actually really shocked at how much information had changed and how much they had listened to the comments from the joint work session, even though it wasn't specific to this project. They

794
01:26:44,765 --> 01:26:44,765
they heard much of it. Most of the comments that I have are like little things about each

795
01:26:50,404 --> 01:26:50,404
different section. So I'll, I'll, I'll just I'll just start, on some of my quick notes, on

796
01:26:58,446 --> 01:26:58,446
page 57 where it talked about building heights and it talked about nine stories on off of

797
01:27:05,186 --> 01:27:05,186
shawnee trail and 14 stories off of the rt, and this is for a mixed use, like the mixed use.

798
01:27:13,828 --> 01:27:13,828
there's part of it that's in the middle of the development. So you have so is that nine stories

799
01:27:20,567 --> 01:27:20,567
or is that 14 stories? If you want to pull up the map, you'll be able to see what I'm

800
01:27:26,374 --> 01:27:26,374
referring to. I'll just say the intent was to ensure that that we have some residential zoning

801
01:27:33,447 --> 01:27:33,447
on the, the west side of shawnee trail. So the intent was to ensure that, you know, that I

802
01:27:40,287 --> 01:27:40,287
think initially the max height was just going to be 14 stories throughout the whole

803
01:27:44,491 --> 01:27:44,491
development, and we wanted to ensure that that what was along shawnee trail was a little bit

804
01:27:49,029 --> 01:27:49,029
less to just, to offset based on what the uses were on the west, which we definitely need to do,

805
01:27:55,702 --> 01:27:55,702
is that middle structure section with that limit be nine stories, or would that be 14? I think

806
01:28:02,843 --> 01:28:02,843
that could fall anywhere between nine and 14. So it's far enough away that it's not a line of

807
01:28:08,781 --> 01:28:08,781
sight, issue for the housing that would be west of shawnee trail. I guess as far as height

808
01:28:13,153 --> 01:28:13,153
there is no defined standard that says, okay, if you get 100ft off of shawnee trail, you

809
01:28:20,893 --> 01:28:20,893
can have ten stories, but then another 100ft is 12 stories. And so it's just a range of 9 to 14,

810
01:28:27,901 --> 01:28:27,901
so I believe that the center is would allow for that additional height. Okay all right, and then

811
01:28:37,342 --> 01:28:37,342
I think we already addressed the, the 515 cap on the multifamily part, which, is, is

812
01:28:42,615 --> 01:28:42,615
fine, on the mixed use zone, the items that were permitted within the, the list of, permitted.

813
01:28:55,961 --> 01:28:55,961
yes. The when you have that big long list or the whole list, the whole list. Okay, there's a

814
01:29:02,668 --> 01:29:02,668
couple of, that I guess I would either want to move to sup, or maybe remove just because I

815
01:29:10,241 --> 01:29:10,241
don't see them fitting in with this caliber of project that we're doing, like, I don't I

816
01:29:14,513 --> 01:29:14,513
don't physically see some of these happening, based on the caliber of this project coming

817
01:29:20,085 --> 01:29:20,085
in. And there was three of them I had in general, which one was commercial commercial amusement

818
01:29:25,890 --> 01:29:25,890
indoor, I guess I would like to move that to an sup. Possibly. You're talking behind me. I I

819
01:29:35,967 --> 01:29:35,967
recall, that the intent was potentially for the, the lower right corner. So east corner of

820
01:29:43,074 --> 01:29:43,074
the project to have maybe an indoor ski element. Yes. And I totally support that. I think

821
01:29:49,647 --> 01:29:49,647
that's a great idea and I want to see that happen. But I guess leaving it where it is, it, it

822
01:29:57,121 --> 01:29:57,121
it doesn't mean that that's what could go there. And so I'm only wanting to move it to an sup, to

823
01:30:04,094 --> 01:30:04,094
have that further, like to make sure that this is something that happens because I think that's a

824
01:30:10,735 --> 01:30:10,735
great idea and it would be a wonderful addition to this project, but I just want to have

825
01:30:14,939 --> 01:30:14,939
that control, I guess. So that was one of my commentary to move that, the other two that I had

826
01:30:21,611 --> 01:30:21,611
were furniture, home furniture and appliance. Where is that one? At antique shop and used

827
01:30:29,587 --> 01:30:29,587
furniture? No, there's another one, number 18 furniture, 18 furniture, home furnishings and

828
01:30:35,692 --> 01:30:35,692
appliance store, I was really wanting to remove that one. And the vet clinic with the kennel

829
01:30:41,297 --> 01:30:41,297
inside, I'd maybe move that one to an sup. Just, we moved some of the other pet ones off, and

830
01:30:48,271 --> 01:30:48,271
so, so, having a kennel in the middle, I guess I'm a little concerned about that. So I would

831
01:30:56,412 --> 01:30:56,412
either want it moved to an sup or removed from those two items, either removed or put as an sup

832
01:31:01,685 --> 01:31:01,685
that we'd have to approve them. Okay, so that's my commentary on the uses. On exhibit d on the

833
01:31:12,929 --> 01:31:12,929
tollway, there's now like four cut ins versus two. And, my only concerns and I don't know what

834
01:31:21,471 --> 01:31:21,471
kind of control we have on the d and t on those roads, but to make sure that we have,

835
01:31:26,942 --> 01:31:26,942
dedicated lanes turning into the project versus just a opening, it looks like on it looks like

836
01:31:39,455 --> 01:31:39,455
in some of these, it just looks like it's an a dedicated opening and not like a, a dedicated

837
01:31:45,961 --> 01:31:45,961
lane. Yeah that, we did in reviewing the concept plan, we did make a determination that we

838
01:31:56,638 --> 01:31:56,638
were not going to get into the finite details of ensuring that there was enough stacking and

839
01:32:01,009 --> 01:32:01,009
that the, you know, everything met our standards, that. So we put a note on the plan and the

840
01:32:07,649 --> 01:32:07,649
applicant was fine with that, just indicating that when this comes in, they will have to meet

841
01:32:12,020 --> 01:32:12,020
all of the thoroughfare standards, just like they have to meet with the fire, etc. Okay

842
01:32:16,691 --> 01:32:16,691
I just had that concern because I look at some existing things that we have across the town,

843
01:32:21,096 --> 01:32:21,096
like earlier today discussion. And, that's a real concern when I see how people enter and exit

844
01:32:29,870 --> 01:32:29,870
certain developments, okay. And the next, I guess, is the elephant in the room on, the

845
01:32:39,814 --> 01:32:39,814
actual phasing of the entire project, I heard today that all the infrastructure will be done

846
01:32:49,757 --> 01:32:49,757
at the beginning in phase one, but I don't remember that being noted in our in our, document

847
01:32:54,094 --> 01:32:54,094
that we received. So I would I would definitely want that to be included into, any motion if

848
01:33:03,370 --> 01:33:07,107
we're going to make one tonight to approve, I want to make sure that the infrastructure is put in, and then I guess I was having a hard time. It could be my visual is I know half of the

849
01:33:14,681 --> 01:33:14,681
retail development was supposed to be coming through with phase one, but when I look at, like,

850
01:33:20,787 --> 01:33:20,787
the color map of this, what I heard a lot of people discuss is that developer went on the

851
01:33:28,228 --> 01:33:28,228
prosper trail side is real critical to the town, and we want that whole development to

852
01:33:32,499 --> 01:33:32,499
come in earlier versus later, I, I personally would like that part included if possible, as

853
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:41,240
part of that first phase of development, and, I would feel more comfortable if we had more

854
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:50,950
of that retail, love everything about the hotel and all the description, everything about

855
01:33:55,922 --> 01:33:55,922
hotel carbon, everything about that is beautiful on the tollway. And I if I had my way,

856
01:34:04,329 --> 01:34:04,329
I guess I would, phase it a little bit differently and do the retail like I would do one

857
01:34:11,003 --> 01:34:11,003
at the bottom and work my way up, whereas the office is still four and the multi family and

858
01:34:17,042 --> 01:34:17,042
the top left is either phase 2 or 3. But I definitely would like to have, more of that

859
01:34:22,848 --> 01:34:22,848
development around that water feature, developed, at the early phase just to know that it can

860
01:34:30,590 --> 01:34:30,590
be developed. It will be developed and it will, look like this because if for any reason

861
01:34:37,529 --> 01:34:37,529
at all, we're not able to develop this retail in the bottom, if they can't reclaim it

862
01:34:43,535 --> 01:34:43,535
, it changes dramatically how this project could turn out. And so I feel like it's a critical

863
01:34:49,007 --> 01:34:49,007
component to work through those details and have that part first. So I'm not opposed if

864
01:34:55,380 --> 01:34:55,380
somebody wants to tweak it, but I would rather have phase one be the retail at the bottom and

865
01:35:00,752 --> 01:35:00,752
work my way up on the development side, phase two being the rest of the hotels and

866
01:35:08,025 --> 01:35:08,025
retail, phase three, the multifamily and phase four, the office. And and the only other

867
01:35:17,468 --> 01:35:17,468
observation I had is that, the open space area that was in it was on the lower right where the

868
01:35:27,278 --> 01:35:27,278
skate park was, and it was a bigger open space area around the hotels has moved up, and

869
01:35:33,885 --> 01:35:33,885
it's a lot smaller, I don't know. Scale wise, if that has the same impact that it did in

870
01:35:43,927 --> 01:35:43,927
the previous, version that we saw where it was seemed to be a much bigger open space area. So

871
01:35:52,603 --> 01:35:52,603
that's those are my those are my call outs. Well, thank you. Thank you for going through

872
01:35:59,309 --> 01:35:59,309
that. And thanks for stepping up and being the first one to go. And I appreciate your but I

873
01:36:03,914 --> 01:36:03,914
appreciate all the changes they made. They did really amazing in my opinion. They did amazing job

874
01:36:08,485 --> 01:36:08,485
listening to commentary and a lot of this is great. It's a very well defined area, very

875
01:36:13,523 --> 01:36:13,523
good job. And so I don't know if the applicant or the town wants to address anything as we go

876
01:36:21,364 --> 01:36:21,364
through these or just listen. I don't know what would be most effective to kind of capture

877
01:36:26,336 --> 01:36:26,336
some of this and then come back, or we can do it one at a time if we. Absolutely. Yep. Because I

878
01:36:30,940 --> 01:36:30,940
think what we're going to see as we go through through us this evening is some of this will get

879
01:36:37,514 --> 01:36:37,514
redundant. We'll narrow it down as we work our way across. So I know sean wants to address his

880
01:36:42,718 --> 01:36:42,718
his business plan for the. You said the daycare. Yeah okay. So on furniture this is where I

881
01:36:49,558 --> 01:36:49,558
would plead with you. Be careful about what you limit the potential richness in the retail

882
01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:54,330
here is cool little boutique furniture stores. You know, look, we're not doing we're not

883
01:37:02,405 --> 01:37:02,405
doing massive big box here. That's not the intent. And it's frankly not the intent to do an

884
01:37:06,976 --> 01:37:06,976
antique store because frankly, they don't bring a lot of rent. But if there are artisan stores

885
01:37:12,481 --> 01:37:12,481
where they want to have custom made furniture pieces or things like that, that would be a

886
01:37:18,019 --> 01:37:18,019
fantastic gift. As your leasing strategy goes. So we may need to talk about that a little more,

887
01:37:24,459 --> 01:37:24,459
the indoor entertainment. Did you want to address that? Okay, I'll keep going on the parking

888
01:37:29,998 --> 01:37:29,998
entries. Great question. We had the same question with staff. Commissioner hamilton, that

889
01:37:38,807 --> 01:37:38,807
middle one is really just a back of house drive. And we talked with staff about how we can

890
01:37:44,145 --> 01:37:44,145
limit that entry. Right behind dead center of the hotel, there's two docks back there,

891
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:49,350
and we have full intention of screening those. And we talked with david at length about what

892
01:37:53,888 --> 01:37:53,888
the access of that drive would look like. But that's really just a back of house utility

893
01:37:59,694 --> 01:37:59,694
entry. So you would not have. So really it's three drives of one on the north parcel and two into

894
01:38:07,602 --> 01:38:07,602
hotel carbon. And the rest of the development, phasing. Well, I guess we could just talk all

895
01:38:15,542 --> 01:38:15,542
night about that. We've spent so much time with developers and leasing people, advising us what

896
01:38:20,248 --> 01:38:20,248
to do here. And again, as I mentioned earlier, krishna would love to build all this out on

897
01:38:26,386 --> 01:38:26,386
day one. There is some utility and infrastructure work we've just got to get done with this

898
01:38:31,258 --> 01:38:31,258
waterway, and that's going to take some time, but to build the retail first, commissioner

899
01:38:35,829 --> 01:38:35,829
hamilton, you would get a different retail mix. If you did it first. It would be kind of

900
01:38:41,903 --> 01:38:41,903
suburban, forgettable, fast food and things like that. That's not what we're curating here. We're

901
01:38:48,675 --> 01:38:48,675
trying to build a build it and they will come type story. So allow us to get this thing up on

902
01:38:56,383 --> 01:38:56,383
its feet with the infrastructure of the waterway, some built environment on the tollway side.

903
01:39:02,422 --> 01:39:02,422
and that changes our discussion with leasing shops because they see them north texas is a is a

904
01:39:10,263 --> 01:39:10,263
show me type leasing environment . But they have to see that you're building it. So work with

905
01:39:16,402 --> 01:39:16,402
us on that, we didn't talk. I don't think as much about the retail and food and beverage

906
01:39:24,077 --> 01:39:24,077
that's in the hotel carbon podium, along with that meeting facility, that's on the north

907
01:39:30,249 --> 01:39:30,249
podium under the, the x02 tower and then under the podium of the hotel, there's quite a bit of

908
01:39:37,890 --> 01:39:37,890
retail, dining and food and beverage type, you know, bars and things like that in that

909
01:39:43,762 --> 01:39:43,762
podium. Now is that the final build out of retail? No. Absolutely not. The real money

910
01:39:48,167 --> 01:39:48,167
in this is to be made for krishna and his team. On the ultimate development down in

911
01:39:53,372 --> 01:39:53,372
phases two and three. So that's what we've spent a lot of time with developers and leasing

912
01:40:00,012 --> 01:40:00,012
people, taking their council, not not not the least of which is we got to have some time to

913
01:40:06,585 --> 01:40:06,585
build that waterway. And so if we can do that while we're building the hotel and the

914
01:40:11,657 --> 01:40:11,657
multifamily further north, if you'll remember that prior diagram, the hotel carbon

915
01:40:16,161 --> 01:40:16,161
complex is quite conveniently right outside the current wetlands. So that works out

916
01:40:20,699 --> 01:40:20,699
really well for sean. Cover the I want to add to what can. Sorry I just wanted to add to what

917
01:40:28,173 --> 01:40:28,173
barry said. We reached out to the biggest lesing agencies here due west, like lincoln,

918
01:40:33,745 --> 01:40:33,745
everybody, right? Including the national guys. I have an email from them too, when I showed

919
01:40:39,050 --> 01:40:39,050
them the concept, they said, hey, I can't lease these shops. I don't know if you'll build the

920
01:40:44,155 --> 01:40:44,155
hotel. Can you build me a strip of 15,000? I'll lease it today. I have that email from west.

921
01:40:49,060 --> 01:40:52,997
right. They said no, you. We are not leasing a strip. I don't want a subway or something there. Right. I want this curated. He said, no, you got to. You got to have hotel carbon

922
01:40:56,901 --> 01:40:56,901
or you got to hotel have hotel was up and running before I can get you those nice ones. Right

923
01:41:02,373 --> 01:41:02,373
so that's the challenge we had, right? Otherwise we could we could build a strip mall out

924
01:41:06,677 --> 01:41:06,677
there. It will lease out tonight, that's the demand we have. But to. I just want to

925
01:41:10,881 --> 01:41:10,881
plead on that. Right. We are not getting we'll not get the right tenants, but once they see it,

926
01:41:15,652 --> 01:41:15,652
like, just imagine you're standing on the retail side and you see the hotel wars with all

927
01:41:20,057 --> 01:41:20,057
the artistry, the fountains, the things and the mixed use and a movie theater, whatever those

928
01:41:24,094 --> 01:41:24,094
are. It just really brings in like a highly curated, like much more experiential retail. And

929
01:41:28,332 --> 01:41:28,332
that's that's what we've been hearing. So just sorry to wrap it up. 34 years as well. What is

930
01:41:38,175 --> 01:41:38,175
, how this stuff works? Just a couple of things, I'm, I'm a data guy. Right. So I want you

931
01:41:45,848 --> 01:41:45,848
to look at at numbers and 2020. Right. For obvious reasons, pet ownership went up 900% in the

932
01:41:53,190 --> 01:41:53,190
united states. Petco will. You can research that there's two new airlines that fly dogs.

933
01:42:02,298 --> 01:42:02,298
canine flights flies out of new york in san francisco. So adding other cities they fly around the

934
01:42:07,804 --> 01:42:07,804
world flying dogs in a first class environment. We've moved from, pet friendly to pet

935
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:17,080
forward in the hotel business right. As a hotel guy, it's the number one searched item, pet

936
01:42:24,586 --> 01:42:24,586
friendly. So we have a we have a concept that'll go down the street. That's that's called

937
01:42:29,191 --> 01:42:29,191
lavender land. That is specific to dogs. So I would encourage you know, put it so that we come

938
01:42:35,764 --> 01:42:35,764
and revisit it later. I'm okay with that. But the dog part of this thing is, is people are

939
01:42:41,437 --> 01:42:41,437
obsessed with their dogs and it's an incredible amount of money and they bring them with

940
01:42:46,575 --> 01:42:46,575
everywhere. I say that to my wife everywhere, right, frenchie? So the, the, the

941
01:42:52,481 --> 01:42:52,481
notion that we have to come back, I'm good with that. But but let's not eliminate the dog

942
01:42:59,220 --> 01:42:59,220
stuff, right. There's another one that you should probably look up is, gabriel, f I e t o s

943
01:43:07,329 --> 01:43:07,329
he will, he's a guy that we're going after, and it's a it's a dog salon, and he'll. For $900.

944
01:43:15,303 --> 01:43:15,303
that's right, $900. He turns your dog, paints it like a giraffe, all that kind of stuff.

945
01:43:20,675 --> 01:43:20,675
so that's the kind of thing I hate to see. Sometimes you leave them overnight. Right? So I

946
01:43:24,879 --> 01:43:24,879
would hate to say, like, take it out. Like, let's talk about it when it when it's time and I'm

947
01:43:30,485 --> 01:43:30,485
okay. As to my point, I'm okay with moving those three to an scp where we're able to have

948
01:43:35,089 --> 01:43:35,089
another viewpoint of it to make sure it is the right fit for the project. So that's that's fair,

949
01:43:40,628 --> 01:43:40,628
that's really what I'm getting at versus just letting it by. Right. Thank you. Let me just

950
01:43:46,267 --> 01:43:46,267
add one thing on that, commissioner hamilton. And I know you've been in the

951
01:43:50,871 --> 01:43:50,871
trenches. I can tell for a long time doing this. So so the problem, the only hiccup or

952
01:43:56,476 --> 01:43:56,476
reluctance we have on moving certain of these, like the indoor entertainment to suv is

953
01:44:02,149 --> 01:44:02,149
that's effectively another zoning process for us. And that tenant. And they tend to go

954
01:44:07,921 --> 01:44:07,921
where the path of least resistance is. We can do it if that's what you want. But I just

955
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:13,760
I want to talk about that as a community that it is a hindrance to some tenants. I hear what

956
01:44:20,567 --> 01:44:20,567
you're saying. I, I think it's important to have the right indoor, amusement, so I do feel

957
01:44:33,746 --> 01:44:33,746
like it's important for us to be able to look at that. That's just my personal opinion. I

958
01:44:38,718 --> 01:44:38,718
could be I could be wrong. I'm just saying I love what you're doing, and I love what your

959
01:44:43,190 --> 01:44:43,190
intent is, but on that, I feel like, we should have make sure that that's really what comes

960
01:44:50,563 --> 01:44:50,563
through. Okay. So. Okay. All right. I think that's it. All good. And then we'll open it up.

961
01:44:57,136 --> 01:44:57,136
we can go. Consecutive order. Commissioner harris, if you want to go next or whoever wants to.

962
01:45:01,707 --> 01:45:01,707
it's we're all everybody's going to get their chance. So most of most of what I had I think the

963
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:08,080
only and again just to clarify that moving it to the specific use does not mean that you can't

964
01:45:14,620 --> 01:45:14,620
do it. You can totally do it. It could be a very quick process unless I'm wrong. I mean, it

965
01:45:21,861 --> 01:45:21,861
could be, you know, it would wouldn't even be noticed how quickly you can get it approved.

966
01:45:26,164 --> 01:45:26,164
it just ensures that if something were to happen, maybe you sell and someone else comes

967
01:45:31,303 --> 01:45:31,303
in, no one else could come in and just totally go off script, that's all. The only other issue

968
01:45:40,378 --> 01:45:40,378
that I had was in the phasing, and I did hear your response. I still do have the, the one it

969
01:45:47,352 --> 01:45:47,352
what the phasing as you described is not in the data. We have what we have here basically

970
01:45:53,892 --> 01:45:53,892
says that the multifamily zone trail system, the hotel this is on page 82. That sort of breaks

971
01:45:59,530 --> 01:45:59,530
down the phasing, it talks about the hotel, the garage, and the medical office tower. That's all

972
01:46:05,836 --> 01:46:05,836
that's happening in phase one. All of the other things that you all mentioned, infrastructure,

973
01:46:11,809 --> 01:46:11,809
future, portions of the retail, those things don't happen at all based on this. That would need

974
01:46:17,148 --> 01:46:17,148
to be updated to, okay. I need I would also when you say infrastructure, are you only

975
01:46:24,288 --> 01:46:24,288
talking about the, river because you say infrastructure for retail. But I'm curious as to

976
01:46:32,396 --> 01:46:32,396
what. Right. What do you mean when you say you're mainly talking about your major

977
01:46:36,900 --> 01:46:36,900
utilities, bringing them to the perimeter of the site, getting that set, getting rough, grading

978
01:46:42,306 --> 01:46:42,306
set, it's going to take some time as you discuss tonight just to get the approvals for the

979
01:46:48,112 --> 01:46:48,112
floodway. Or I shouldn't call it floodway because I don't think it is a floodway, but get that

980
01:46:52,883 --> 01:46:52,883
creek sculpted and we're probably going to have some walls that need to be built

981
01:46:56,987 --> 01:46:56,987
before it's filled. So get that built. But we've also got some rough grading that's going to be

982
01:47:01,324 --> 01:47:01,324
a product of that. We're going to probably distribute some dirt to the site that's going to need

983
01:47:07,063 --> 01:47:07,063
to be moved around. But then also the major utilities, storm sewer, things like that, that

984
01:47:11,268 --> 01:47:11,268
need to be laid into the site. Mike, do you have any other things you want to add? So one,

985
01:47:20,510 --> 01:47:20,510
one question to answer your thing. We want to make it as pad ready as possible given the

986
01:47:25,315 --> 01:47:25,315
circumstances of what we work with engineering tomorrow. If we have, say, the corner, we want

987
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:30,920
to bring a legoland. Yeah, we can get it ready. Right? That's like an attraction. That's the

988
01:47:35,658 --> 01:47:35,658
target we're going towards. We will try to make it as bad as possible. Its entire

989
01:47:39,862 --> 01:47:43,299
infrastructure with the utilities, with the grading. We don't want to. Yeah. We don't want to shovel ready. Sorry. They can construct if somebody wants if somebody comes to your

990
01:47:46,802 --> 01:47:46,802
town and says, hey, I want a restaurant here, we have the site ready for them to open in

991
01:47:51,741 --> 01:47:51,741
six months. So that's how we'll be ready. If there's a tenant, that's the intent. Okay the, so.

992
01:47:59,615 --> 01:47:59,615
yeah. So it sounds like it's just primarily, to support the, I don't I forgot the term that

993
01:48:10,859 --> 01:48:10,859
we're using for it, butut just e waterway was just primarily to support that. And in and around

994
01:48:17,299 --> 01:48:17,299
the waterway. Yes, exactly. So mike martini with spires engineering, 765 custer road,

995
01:48:22,938 --> 01:48:22,938
plano. So, yes, I think the term infrastructure is very broad. Right. So I think we're trying

996
01:48:30,145 --> 01:48:30,145
to get some clarity there. So typically on these phase type developments, we're doing, you

997
01:48:35,517 --> 01:48:35,517
know, you have to do a lot up front to tee up the future phases. Right. So I think

998
01:48:39,788 --> 01:48:39,788
krishna's point it's, you know, making sure everything's two and through the future phases to

999
01:48:45,026 --> 01:48:45,026
where they can get released later without having to tear up all of phase one. That makes

1000
01:48:50,365 --> 01:48:50,365
sense. So the, you know, the floodplain, obviously to barry's point, you know, there's going

1001
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:56,470
to be a lot of activity in there. There's going to be a lot of grading for the entire area.

1002
01:49:00,975 --> 01:49:00,975
so it's a lot of that teeing up for future phases. So currently outside of infrastructure, there

1003
01:49:06,581 --> 01:49:06,581
will be no retail added to. And I do see hotel with retail amenities, but I'm not really

1004
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:13,320
including that in the phase one. There will be no retail included in phase one. In these changes,

1005
01:49:21,328 --> 01:49:25,299
the only thing that you're doing is infrastructure. As you've explained it, that's being added to phase one village retail, commissioner harris, is phase two. Just when we can get to it

1006
01:49:32,206 --> 01:49:32,206
in phase two and three. But there is how many square feet did you say in hotel party? Do

1007
01:49:39,046 --> 01:49:39,046
you want to jump in just for a second for square 104,500ft■!s n phase one of retail,

1008
01:49:47,187 --> 01:49:47,187
recreational, a restaurants, that whole thing. And I know we don't talk about it much, but

1009
01:49:55,929 --> 01:49:55,929
I'm spending $10 million in phase one for retail, for infrastructure, for retail. So

1010
01:50:04,237 --> 01:50:04,237
so that $10 million goes to putting the water in and saying to a great restaurant owner,

1011
01:50:10,143 --> 01:50:10,143
hey, you want that space? So that's kind of what our, our issue is, is we would love to

1012
01:50:16,817 --> 01:50:16,817
have the restaurants built because it creates critical mass right away. But all that retail

1013
01:50:21,721 --> 01:50:21,721
needs to be boarded up. You know that san antonio riverwalk feel right. And we got to build all

1014
01:50:26,926 --> 01:50:26,926
that. And that's that. That's an obligation that that krishna, you know, for us to buy the

1015
01:50:33,065 --> 01:50:33,065
land. He said, you've got to do the infrastructure. So that's where that cost is like the

1016
01:50:38,771 --> 01:50:38,771
retail. You see the hotel that's a conference that that's outside of hotel. The middle section

1017
01:50:44,176 --> 01:50:44,176
there's my mouse is outside of carbon right. There's podium retail in the under the medical

1018
01:50:48,448 --> 01:50:48,448
office. And hotel. Right. Those are people that walk in. They don't have to go into the hotel.

1019
01:50:53,118 --> 01:50:56,721
there's a playing field here, and there's a conference center here in the middle connecting here, which is similar to the start, but there's a lot of retail in these ground floors as

1020
01:51:01,060 --> 01:51:01,060
well. Right? So it's just not people. It's not only inside what the language is, but it's

1021
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:05,430
the entire complex with the with the with the podium kind of thing. So okay, all right.

1022
01:51:12,704 --> 01:51:12,704
that's it for in terms of questions, I have some comments later. But hey, thanks to mr.

1023
01:51:19,611 --> 01:51:19,611
harris, I appreciate that. Commissioner clarkson. I'll jump in, a I would say for sure you

1024
01:51:23,915 --> 01:51:23,915
guys have done a phenomenal job listening, reacting, I think being very, fair and balanced

1025
01:51:33,124 --> 01:51:33,124
with what, where you've been able to give you have to protect the integrity of your, your

1026
01:51:37,161 --> 01:51:37,161
development. But I think you're trying to do it within the spirit of what we like here and

1027
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:42,800
prosper. And so I think it's important to note, appreciate that. I think all of us will

1028
01:51:46,971 --> 01:51:46,971
echo that, and that helps us get to a yes a lot quicker. Right. So let's be honest, so, so big,

1029
01:51:53,444 --> 01:51:53,444
big wins. I think the wrap is a significantly better solution. I know it's more cost prohibitive,

1030
01:51:59,049 --> 01:51:59,049
but I think that's a good thing, I think the, the minimum on grade parking is a very

1031
01:52:05,489 --> 01:52:05,489
positive. I personally love the phase for office. I don't think we're there ready for a ten

1032
01:52:09,993 --> 01:52:09,993
story office in prosper yet, but you don't want to not have that when you want it. And you can go

1033
01:52:16,466 --> 01:52:16,466
drive through frisco and see some examples or plano and see some examples of that, so I like

1034
01:52:20,571 --> 01:52:20,571
that. That's phase four. That doesn't bother me. I think that'll be a good thing at the

1035
01:52:24,575 --> 01:52:24,575
right time, which is a good which is positive, you know, one thing I think that the that most

1036
01:52:30,313 --> 01:52:30,313
of the commissioners, everyone's hung up on the phasing, but I think, maybe, maybe if you could

1037
01:52:34,951 --> 01:52:34,951
speak to, would there be any concession or thought to possibly putting two and three

1038
01:52:39,989 --> 01:52:39,989
together into one phase where we could? I understand the intent of phase one. It makes sense how

1039
01:52:46,162 --> 01:52:46,162
you just describe it. But, or at least talk to why are those broken apart? Because it feels

1040
01:52:51,301 --> 01:52:51,301
like phase three naturally goes before phase two and the flow. But talk through the phases in

1041
01:52:58,174 --> 01:52:58,174
just a second, barry. If you don't, if you don't mind, and maybe consider if those would a

1042
01:53:04,914 --> 01:53:04,914
couple comments on the water just to well, you want to go ahead and talk through that. Do

1043
01:53:09,552 --> 01:53:09,552
you want to go ahead and talk through the phasing real quick. And then I'll come back. Let me

1044
01:53:13,723 --> 01:53:13,723
let me address one thing. You did say because we've not talked enough about it. And I apologize

1045
01:53:19,395 --> 01:53:19,395
for that. Actually, in phase three, the bottom left corner of the neighborhood village, there

1046
01:53:23,899 --> 01:53:23,899
is boutique office on floors two and three. Above this, this building right here, if you

1047
01:53:28,404 --> 01:53:28,404
drive down windrose at legacy west and look on the east side, there's two and three and four

1048
01:53:35,077 --> 01:53:35,077
stories of boutique office above that retail podium. We find that that lease is really well for

1049
01:53:39,649 --> 01:53:39,649
creative class co-working type tenants, and we think once the vibe is right here and really

1050
01:53:46,321 --> 01:53:46,321
cooking, there will be a tremendous demand for that professional service, creative

1051
01:53:50,358 --> 01:53:50,358
class type boutique office in this village. You will have people in prosper that want to

1052
01:53:55,698 --> 01:53:55,698
have their family office there, because it's a cool place to be, right? So I think we should

1053
01:54:01,136 --> 01:54:01,136
remember that there is office there in that bottom corner. And yes, affiliated with the, the

1054
01:54:07,676 --> 01:54:07,676
hotel carbon and xa2 tower. If we could bring in some, you know, 3 or 4 floors of office to

1055
01:54:13,781 --> 01:54:13,781
be there as well. And, you know, we could even do a lot of different formats there on the

1056
01:54:18,553 --> 01:54:18,553
phasing. And we've had a lot of discussions about this depending on who you talk to, whether it's

1057
01:54:26,461 --> 01:54:26,461
a contractor or a developer, the first thing the contractor is going to go to is the logistics.

1058
01:54:30,931 --> 01:54:30,931
well how do I stage this? Where do I store, you know, how do I get this thing built. So they

1059
01:54:36,037 --> 01:54:36,037
always kind of want to work their way out of the site. But it's a really great point. And

1060
01:54:40,774 --> 01:54:40,774
again, I can tell you I've been doing this a long time. I think it's possible. I'm I'm going to

1061
01:54:46,113 --> 01:54:46,113
speak before krishna, who's been making deals. Hopefully I'm going to speak before he does. I

1062
01:54:50,985 --> 01:54:50,985
think from a retail perspective, if we could somehow include this , I'm going to point this core.

1063
01:54:58,526 --> 01:54:58,526
it's always what I call the urban core of the project. If we could include that with what's

1064
01:55:04,832 --> 01:55:04,832
built down here in phase three, that would be a great thing to combine. The problem with what

1065
01:55:10,237 --> 01:55:10,237
you're asking is that would sort of delay that. So look, there's I think there's a lot of

1066
01:55:14,741 --> 01:55:18,077
different ways we could draw these lines. And depending on how the development partners come together, a lot of this could happen a lot faster or, you know, you never know what's

1067
01:55:23,717 --> 01:55:23,717
going to happen with the hotels. Yeah you know, I'm noticing on here that the, the wedding venue

1068
01:55:31,825 --> 01:55:31,825
is not in blue. It should be. So if because the wedding venue is south of the water. Right. And

1069
01:55:40,367 --> 01:55:40,367
it needs to be with bows. Right. So I agree with you that maybe we can grab some of those. What

1070
01:55:46,606 --> 01:55:46,606
I would hate to do is say yes right. To be that guy that wants to say yes and then turn around

1071
01:55:53,580 --> 01:55:53,580
and lincoln say to us, what are you doing? Right. So maybe some of that could be specifically

1072
01:55:59,819 --> 01:55:59,819
the chapel, and we'll try to get snowbourn to the right. But but I'd like it to still be an

1073
01:56:06,392 --> 01:56:06,392
option if we could. Yeah, yeah, just to add. Right. Not to beat it, but some of the things that

1074
01:56:12,464 --> 01:56:15,935
we, when we spoke to contractor, they said, hey, I need access to this middle section. Are you building walls first or are you building this retail and multifamily. Right. If you build

1075
01:56:20,439 --> 01:56:20,439
this they can access from here. But they said if you close this out, there's no way I can access

1076
01:56:24,744 --> 01:56:24,744
this part once carbon is live. Right there were logistics like that that we were working

1077
01:56:28,781 --> 01:56:28,781
through. And I know sean, this had to be blue, but we are absolutely ready to go together.

1078
01:56:33,685 --> 01:56:33,685
some sections at least. Right. This this front portion at least gives access to because there's

1079
01:56:37,956 --> 01:56:37,956
retail in the mixed use, so that's that's absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. The to your point, if

1080
01:56:46,331 --> 01:56:50,268
you're putting the infrastructure in and one of my, one of my future comments is going to be just we need to really define that. I think your comments really valid of what's

1081
01:56:55,407 --> 01:56:55,407
infrastructure a I think the waterway in some shape or form is really part of phase one, as

1082
01:57:00,479 --> 01:57:00,479
you've described is definitely not not captured there. So we would do that, and I think if

1083
01:57:06,050 --> 01:57:06,050
you put the waterway in then you don't have access on that top side anyway. So yeah, you're

1084
01:57:10,788 --> 01:57:10,788
right. Different opinion. But but it's absolutely true. The waterway is the value here.

1085
01:57:15,459 --> 01:57:15,459
that's the added value. Otherwise it's just a 35 acre platform site I think to

1086
01:57:20,932 --> 01:57:20,932
commissioner hamilton's point, you know, I, I appreciate what you're describing in, in, carbon

1087
01:57:29,507 --> 01:57:29,507
and kind of the retail on the side. But to me until this thing really has its life and it's all

1088
01:57:34,912 --> 01:57:34,912
three phases, that's a very internal facing retail. I don't see a lot of folks necessarily

1089
01:57:39,150 --> 01:57:39,150
driving here, because there's just not enough yet until you get the mass for the rest. So I,

1090
01:57:45,456 --> 01:57:45,456
I think that's whenever commissioner, I'll speak for him . But I think the concerns as we

1091
01:57:49,894 --> 01:57:49,894
described last meeting and this is when you don't have the retail, you're not gaining any

1092
01:57:54,264 --> 01:57:54,264
value into prosper. You're getting residual value, but you're not gaining amenity

1093
01:57:58,535 --> 01:57:58,535
value. I know there's a couple residents here that spoke last time and they're really excited

1094
01:58:02,606 --> 01:58:02,606
about that retail. We understand the concept there, but I don't know that it quite sells as well

1095
01:58:08,678 --> 01:58:08,678
because to me it's really good for maybe the multifamily and maybe for the tenants or your

1096
01:58:12,916 --> 01:58:12,916
your small office that's in the medical office. But I think that's why there's so much

1097
01:58:17,220 --> 01:58:17,220
focus. The purple brings a lot of value for the five and ten mile radius that you've

1098
01:58:21,691 --> 01:58:21,691
described in preference. Yes the experience value did one question on the water. We kind

1099
01:58:27,664 --> 01:58:27,664
of went back and forth is the concept for this to be a constant constant level. So it's

1100
01:58:32,535 --> 01:58:32,535
going to look like a pond. That's going to have to be right. Yeah. Okay and there's a

1101
01:58:37,206 --> 01:58:37,206
lot of reasons. One of which is and I'm I'm the experienced guy. So I'm going to address this.

1102
01:58:42,945 --> 01:58:46,415
you don't want to drive ditch sitting there that you're selling to you know outdoor dining right. So you can go up and down the tollway and look at a few different developments

1103
01:58:52,054 --> 01:58:52,054
where they do have constant, you know, constant level of water retention ponds. You don't want

1104
01:58:58,394 --> 01:58:58,394
to detention pond, you want a retention pond. So we're going to probably have to drop that

1105
01:59:04,032 --> 01:59:04,032
level a little bit, but then allow for the flood overflow to be up at kind of the level of

1106
01:59:09,137 --> 01:59:12,841
the culvert. Right now there's a lot of there's a lot of hydrology and science that still needs to be done on that, but it's going to take artistry to yeah, I think there we thought

1107
01:59:18,414 --> 01:59:18,414
that was the case, but I think a comment was made earlier that maybe it wasn't going to be

1108
01:59:23,052 --> 01:59:23,052
constant level. So I just want to clarify that if you look at it right now I think the

1109
01:59:28,041 --> 01:59:28,041
word he used was ephemeral, it's just a dry low spot that floods when there's a heavy rain event.

1110
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:32,480
you would not want to put outdoor dining next to that. And I think a positive just to note,

1111
01:59:36,650 --> 01:59:36,650
because it kind of got lost. But you describe a lot of hike and bike. There's a fair amount of

1112
01:59:42,288 --> 01:59:42,288
obvious outdoor open space, and I kind of think we glossed over it because we love hotel carbon

1113
01:59:46,759 --> 01:59:46,759
and want to get to all. Yeah, we get distracted right. I think a good note just for the

1114
01:59:52,265 --> 01:59:56,002
commission to think through is that's not in our parks master plan. So it's a big positive for the area. And I think if you're in a resident across the street, you want to go on a five mile

1115
02:00:01,907 --> 02:00:01,907
run or something, you know, and go get a smoothie or at your fancy smoothie place that you're

1116
02:00:06,411 --> 02:00:06,411
going to build. But, I think that's a really important fact that's maybe lost in some of the

1117
02:00:10,616 --> 02:00:10,616
detail here, that you're adding a big amenity of parks, and I can bike and trail, albeit lost

1118
02:00:15,521 --> 02:00:15,521
in a, in a multifamily or mixed use project, that's a good amenity for the area.

1119
02:00:20,059 --> 02:00:20,059
absolutely. We want as much of that network coming here as possible, commissioner carson,

1120
02:00:27,066 --> 02:00:27,066
one of the residents, when we spoke to one of the neighborhood, they said, hey,

1121
02:00:32,305 --> 02:00:32,305
can we drive our golf carts? Can you create parking for our golf carts? We want to drive in a

1122
02:00:37,410 --> 02:00:37,410
golf cart and, you know. Yeah when you said that the town just issued guidance on that last

1123
02:00:43,048 --> 02:00:43,048
week because I read the town emails, I think that's all I've got for now. I might I reserve

1124
02:00:49,087 --> 02:00:49,087
my right to come back. I wasn't at the, the last, work session with you guys, so maybe so. So I

1125
02:01:03,401 --> 02:01:03,401
appreciate everything you put into it, I echo my fellow commissioners that have

1126
02:01:09,541 --> 02:01:09,541
presented, I was really hoping to see something come back with the retail and phase one, that

1127
02:01:16,047 --> 02:01:16,047
was just where we left off at the meeting, so that was that probably be my. I'm not going to

1128
02:01:23,087 --> 02:01:23,087
reiterate every last one of these, but these are some smart guys that I sit across from on

1129
02:01:27,959 --> 02:01:27,959
both sides. So I'm gonna just echo them. Thanks, commissioner jackson, commissioner blansett.

1130
02:01:34,932 --> 02:01:34,932
I think I missed last, last time. We're going to start on your side next time. I have to

1131
02:01:41,672 --> 02:01:41,672
say that. And I always forget. Commissioner hamilton. Hopefully we made it easier for you. Right

1132
02:01:48,112 --> 02:01:48,112
okay, so, some of the, some of my questions are maybe just clarifications or things that

1133
02:01:56,053 --> 02:01:56,053
you've already said and, and one is, again, I want to go back to the, the waterway, the

1134
02:02:04,662 --> 02:02:04,662
infrastructure, all that we're talking about. I just want to make sure I understand what

1135
02:02:08,932 --> 02:02:08,932
you're planning on doing, that you're planning on fixing the waterway to hold water and to

1136
02:02:15,739 --> 02:02:15,739
have the water features to be able to add the water features to it, I guess. Right and as a

1137
02:02:22,679 --> 02:02:22,679
part of the initial phasing. Right. And that work is the kind of work that's going to require,

1138
02:02:31,788 --> 02:02:31,788
approval from the town and fema and the corps, army corps of engineers. Sure that's going to

1139
02:02:38,929 --> 02:02:38,929
start that whole process from on day one. And basically, is that correct? Okay. So we would know

1140
02:02:48,304 --> 02:02:48,304
then, you know, we would be getting approval of those things from the fema and everybody in

1141
02:02:55,110 --> 02:02:55,110
early in the process of the development. This yeah, you'd have to have all those approvals

1142
02:03:01,250 --> 02:03:01,250
before anyone could draw for a building permit or okay. So okay. And that's that's always

1143
02:03:06,889 --> 02:03:06,889
been one of the big concerns is to making, making sure that that what is said so much of this

1144
02:03:14,330 --> 02:03:14,330
property of the retail park that we're especially interested in here, is in floodplain just to

1145
02:03:20,836 --> 02:03:20,836
making sure that that's currently built so that that helps that helps a little bit on

1146
02:03:27,509 --> 02:03:27,509
that. I, you know, I will go back to the phasing. I know we've talked about phasing a

1147
02:03:31,780 --> 02:03:31,780
whole lot. One of the things that I wish I, you know, granted, I understand the I

1148
02:03:37,118 --> 02:03:37,118
understand the financial aspects and retail and that you need these other features in there.

1149
02:03:43,292 --> 02:03:43,292
what I, what I, what I would really like to see though is not have the apartments in phase

1150
02:03:48,930 --> 02:03:48,930
one. What I really what I really like to see is at least in terms of a compromise, that core

1151
02:03:58,840 --> 02:03:58,840
element that you're talking about, that, that be part of phase one, build that with the

1152
02:04:04,879 --> 02:04:04,879
medical office and the hotel and leave the apartments for a later, later phase. And that way

1153
02:04:13,655 --> 02:04:13,655
that you're getting some multifamily in that core development, but you're also

1154
02:04:17,959 --> 02:04:17,959
giving us a lot of retail there. And so it seems to me that that might be I don't know if that's

1155
02:04:26,067 --> 02:04:26,067
a possibility. It's just one idea to kind of compromise. Getting some multifamily that I

1156
02:04:31,005 --> 02:04:31,005
know. I understand your need for multifamily, but my concern about having phase one be done

1157
02:04:38,212 --> 02:04:38,212
and then something happened. You can't proceed. We're stuck with a bunch of apartments at a very

1158
02:04:44,485 --> 02:04:44,485
nice hotel, but we're just stuck with apartments that without a much retail, let's say,

1159
02:04:51,291 --> 02:04:51,291
accessory. I don't know, is that even a possibility? Is that even have anything up your sleeve?

1160
02:05:00,433 --> 02:05:00,433
you could start it. It's a good suggestion, but the problem is this. This gets landlocked.

1161
02:05:06,940 --> 02:05:06,940
that's the problem we had. We went through all these, what if conditions, and this if you

1162
02:05:11,411 --> 02:05:11,411
start this in the hotel, this, this, this all this will be landlocked, with this

1163
02:05:15,982 --> 02:05:15,982
infrastructure. And that was the only reason it was phased in a way where this is like

1164
02:05:22,155 --> 02:05:22,155
standalone. It has access from shawnee trail or from d and t and then it's connected enough

1165
02:05:26,426 --> 02:05:30,296
to the hotel so people can walk. Walk here we increase those walk abilities and things like that. And to your point, right, there's some retail here and also commissioned cars and also

1166
02:05:34,633 --> 02:05:34,633
made some comments. We could I don't know, I'm just talking on behalf of gary and the engineer.

1167
02:05:39,371 --> 02:05:42,742
sorry, barry and the engineers here. We could possibly do this without, you know, creating any land locking here, we could do the frontage, probably depending on, how how the infrastructure

1168
02:05:49,115 --> 02:05:49,115
goes in. Right. So we're not opposed to if, as I said, I, we want to do retail all day

1169
02:05:54,987 --> 02:05:54,987
because it's ready to be leased. It's just like, how do we do it in a way that it doesn't happen,

1170
02:05:59,958 --> 02:05:59,958
that, hey, walls cannot be built or, or this, this cannot be built. So that's the same thing

1171
02:06:05,097 --> 02:06:05,097
we're saying. Hey, what if we open this sit down restaurants and there's like a lot of heavy

1172
02:06:09,802 --> 02:06:12,971
duty construction going behind it, that was the questions we had, right? Like, you know, people don't want to sit and eat in a construction and dust. Right? We can build it, but

1173
02:06:17,843 --> 02:06:17,843
it'll it'll go unleased or once you get a bad rap. That was our biggest fear, honestly, talking

1174
02:06:22,581 --> 02:06:26,452
to gensler and everything, when something goes bad, it's you. You get stuck with that label that, hey, it's not there. There's like a lot of construction behind it. So those

1175
02:06:29,787 --> 02:06:29,787
were the things that we looked around and I know we gave them free hand basically. Right. It's

1176
02:06:35,026 --> 02:06:35,026
not it's not me or like, it's like the logistics of the construction, the development of

1177
02:06:40,431 --> 02:06:40,431
this. Nothing it's as you can tell, it's agonizing for us because we want it all built at

1178
02:06:48,873 --> 02:06:48,873
once. There are some logistics of phasing your way in and out of this project. From a

1179
02:06:53,845 --> 02:06:53,845
construction perspective, commissioner blanchett, what I see and I think maybe, mr.

1180
02:06:59,250 --> 02:07:02,754
jackson, you may have mentioned this. I can't remember if you mentioned this is combining these phases. I, I can almost see this this center urban core needing to be built with this.

1181
02:07:12,930 --> 02:07:12,930
now, unfortunately, that pushes it to phase three. But maybe this becomes phase two after you

1182
02:07:18,302 --> 02:07:18,302
get the waterway built. Because this urban core here to sean's point, is really integral to

1183
02:07:25,108 --> 02:07:25,108
what happens with the event venue coming across to this experience center. And then

1184
02:07:31,015 --> 02:07:31,015
maybe we work our way out this way in phase three with the vo's and hotels. Again, I know sean's

1185
02:07:38,455 --> 02:07:38,455
got plans for these events. This event center to be activating hotels. So those are some things

1186
02:07:44,194 --> 02:07:44,194
we need to work through just as a development team. This is something we say in our studio

1187
02:07:50,835 --> 02:07:50,835
all the time, because it's not uncommon for clients to come and say, we want retail everywhere,

1188
02:07:55,271 --> 02:07:55,271
and the first thing we'll say to them is, great. How many for lease signs do you want, if you

1189
02:08:00,577 --> 02:08:00,577
over build the retail here, it's going to be loaded with for lease signs and that's none of

1190
02:08:07,084 --> 02:08:07,084
our advantages, and that's kind of what krishna was getting at, is if we do this and it launches

1191
02:08:17,660 --> 02:08:17,660
wrong, it's really hard to undo that. In the sociology of the catchment. So that's why we're

1192
02:08:24,500 --> 02:08:24,500
pleading with you to let us work through the deal making, which could happen quickly and the and

1193
02:08:33,676 --> 02:08:33,676
the proper market phasing. I mean, I was I mentioned the last time I was on your side of the

1194
02:08:40,249 --> 02:08:40,249
dais for eight years in richardson and it's it is a natural act to want to put

1195
02:08:44,486 --> 02:08:44,486
triggers to protect the city on this, this sometimes those arbitrary triggers can really

1196
02:08:48,590 --> 02:08:48,590
work against you in the long run. So we get some of them and we've responded to a lot of your

1197
02:08:55,163 --> 02:08:55,163
requests. But on the phasing, we're really going to have to be careful about how we do this.

1198
02:09:00,002 --> 02:09:00,002
okay, understood. Yeah. That's great. Any, the other question I had, you mentioned the medical

1199
02:09:10,612 --> 02:09:10,612
office there. The hotel that is the first level is retail or retail spaces. I don't I don't

1200
02:09:18,152 --> 02:09:18,152
recall where in the documentation it says that. And I it may be there I don't know.

1201
02:09:25,994 --> 02:09:25,994
staff may have to help me find that. But if it's not, could we can we add that as a requirement

1202
02:09:33,802 --> 02:09:33,802
. We did commit to that. It's there, and the medic, I was just looking for it here. I'm sorry

1203
02:09:40,641 --> 02:09:40,641
to be distracted. It it is. It's a different it's a different one. That's fine, that's fine.

1204
02:09:45,580 --> 02:09:45,580
distracted we are building that. Both of those in the same component to the model. Because

1205
02:09:53,487 --> 02:09:53,487
they, you know, they have that same cost. So the blue at the top, let me go to one more. To

1206
02:10:04,898 --> 02:10:04,898
add the same. Yeah slide two or slide three. There we go. Yeah. So that's the text tower that

1207
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:23,750
that's what we're talking about. So the two towers, that is the enterprise and four floors.

1208
02:10:28,588 --> 02:10:28,588
yeah, that's four floors of, outpatient medical, and workout. So this is kind of a little bit

1209
02:10:38,298 --> 02:10:38,298
more detail than what's shown in suzanne's ordinance. Bullet points with that does not show

1210
02:10:44,805 --> 02:10:44,805
what I understood you to say a while ago is that there was retail stores. Yeah. You got

1211
02:10:51,244 --> 02:10:51,244
retail restaurants, and then the total square footage is at the bottom there. So it's the

1212
02:10:57,317 --> 02:10:57,317
esports center retail operations , the three restaurants, recovery performance. Well,

1213
02:11:04,624 --> 02:11:04,624
those are under. The that's under the list of the hotel card. And I'm talking about the

1214
02:11:13,866 --> 02:11:13,866
bottom, the exo tower. I thought you said. Yeah. Exo is on the right. Exo two tower. Yeah. So

1215
02:11:18,471 --> 02:11:18,471
all of that's phase one. All of those coming up at the same time. My question though is

1216
02:11:23,809 --> 02:11:23,809
there retail space in the first at the in the first floor of that episode two tower. We, we

1217
02:11:29,749 --> 02:11:29,749
haven't programed it, but there's four floors that are outpatient medical and retail.

1218
02:11:36,021 --> 02:11:36,021
but I, I can't say in earnest that it's yet it's two floors of it. I but there is retail. Yes

1219
02:11:45,531 --> 02:11:45,531
but I'm sorry I don't have a script. Okay. And I guess my only concern was that I thought

1220
02:11:50,735 --> 02:11:50,735
you said that I didn't remember. I don't remember seeing that there was retail in that

1221
02:11:55,307 --> 02:11:55,307
location in the wording. Even what you just showed me. There is that office. Did you say so?

1222
02:12:01,746 --> 02:12:01,746
commissioner glenn said, this is this is a very concept, kind of, test fit that you can see here

1223
02:12:09,254 --> 02:12:09,254
on the podium of hotel carbon. This is a lot of food service here in the restaurants on this

1224
02:12:15,894 --> 02:12:15,894
side. But this is not the latest plan. So I just want to show you how on this ground floor, how

1225
02:12:22,467 --> 02:12:22,467
this stuff arranges and then once you get up to the upper levels, you start seeing these

1226
02:12:27,639 --> 02:12:27,639
medical suites. And this podium isn't the same shape as what's on your other exhibit. We wanted

1227
02:12:32,510 --> 02:12:32,510
to just have this in our appendix in case these questions came up. You can see the track

1228
02:12:36,881 --> 02:12:36,881
here that goes around uses. These are very early concept bubble diagrams okay. And then

1229
02:12:41,686 --> 02:12:41,686
so the again the infrastructure work that you're talking about on the water way and stuff is as

1230
02:12:51,595 --> 02:12:51,595
part of phase one needs to be added into the wording of this. So yeah if that's what. Yeah. If

1231
02:12:58,035 --> 02:12:58,035
that's what you need. All right. I that's all my comments and questions other than the

1232
02:13:04,508 --> 02:13:04,508
comments that again say it's all right. I appreciate the work you've done and how you tried to

1233
02:13:09,880 --> 02:13:09,880
respond to not not every applicant tries to respond to all the things that they've

1234
02:13:16,620 --> 02:13:16,620
heard and we've done that. So I appreciate thank you very much. We've been burning the midnight

1235
02:13:21,124 --> 02:13:21,124
oil. So thank you. Can you go back to slide two? The original the site master plan that that

1236
02:13:27,464 --> 02:13:27,464
had the phases on it, you talk about this one. Yep yeah. There you go. Is there any reason why

1237
02:13:35,105 --> 02:13:35,105
down here where you we have the phasing spelled out. Once you get to phase two, you don't have

1238
02:13:40,109 --> 02:13:40,109
any trigger on when you're going to do phase 3 or 4. Well, you talk about the timing. Yeah we

1239
02:13:45,182 --> 02:13:45,182
spent a lot of time talking about this yesterday morning, we've seen some of your other

1240
02:13:52,521 --> 02:13:52,521
zoning cases go all the way out to 20, 48. We wouldn't even consider bringing you a timeline

1241
02:13:58,995 --> 02:13:58,995
that goes to 20. No, no, I just mean, like. Yeah. Phase two says it starts at the beginning of

1242
02:14:04,434 --> 02:14:04,434
50% of phase one. When is phase three going to start? The beginning of what, in phase two

1243
02:14:09,105 --> 02:14:09,105
or phase four? When is that going to start within phase three timing. Yeah basically we

1244
02:14:15,210 --> 02:14:15,210
were thinking the phase two and phase three, we can just see we can combine based on the

1245
02:14:19,982 --> 02:14:19,982
logistics of the construction. For example. And just like if, like if we get the chapel in the

1246
02:14:24,586 --> 02:14:24,586
retail section, if you get the hotel rose, we might have to combine a little bit of phase

1247
02:14:29,258 --> 02:14:29,258
three into phase two. So we just didn't put a timeline to it, but it they could be just

1248
02:14:33,496 --> 02:14:33,496
immediately after that based on when those gets how is I was glad the slide came back up

1249
02:14:38,967 --> 02:14:42,271
because earlier when it was presented it flipped through really fast and I noticed it. But then we started talking about other stuff. So I was glad this came back because that's

1250
02:14:46,608 --> 02:14:46,608
the clarity. It was just a little more clarity. Yeah, but think of these two phases in a

1251
02:14:52,013 --> 02:14:55,817
way based on everything we've talked about almost. This is this is where we get in trouble with numbers. But you could do two a and two b. You know, these are really kind of following one

1252
02:15:01,189 --> 02:15:01,189
another. But it depends on deal making and how the market responds. And you know we put

1253
02:15:08,196 --> 02:15:08,196
phases one two, three, four. But you could term them a lot of different ways, we had timelines

1254
02:15:17,138 --> 02:15:17,138
on at one point we gave one promise to the image we had and they now they 20, 28 or

1255
02:15:22,177 --> 02:15:22,177
something. We looked at each other like, we can't put that on. There we go. So we this is

1256
02:15:26,747 --> 02:15:26,747
what we wound up with, you know, our commitment to go as fast as possible. Yeah. And we did not

1257
02:15:33,321 --> 02:15:33,321
want to put a futuristic timeline just for the thing of it and say, hey, 2025, 30, 40.

1258
02:15:39,093 --> 02:15:39,093
we just said, hey, we want to do it all, so that's the reason there's like interlinkage, I

1259
02:15:43,531 --> 02:15:43,531
understand. I was just looking at more of the beginning at 50% of phase one, that phase three

1260
02:15:49,136 --> 02:15:49,136
would say it to be at the beginning of 25% of phase two. I don't that's just I, I just, I

1261
02:15:54,675 --> 02:15:54,675
just yeah, it was just more of a question of why why it wasn't there construction. Okay. It's

1262
02:15:58,979 --> 02:15:58,979
more construction logistics I appreciate it, but we have like a go ahead for the entire thing

1263
02:16:04,552 --> 02:16:04,552
basically. Right. And sean, we have a good partner in sean. He's his team is ready to fund

1264
02:16:10,757 --> 02:16:10,757
the entire carbon and bows and everything. But they need the logistics on how it's going to

1265
02:16:15,662 --> 02:16:15,662
be built. That's that's about so a couple of timing questions. You just kind of brought up the

1266
02:16:20,100 --> 02:16:20,100
parking garage in the middle. Is that for carbon as well as mixed multifamily. Yeah quite honestly

1267
02:16:24,671 --> 02:16:24,671
that garage is going to be overbuilt in the interim phase because it's also serving other

1268
02:16:30,176 --> 02:16:30,176
hotels and multifamily. That's a that's a got to get it built for a hotel. Carver. So in the in

1269
02:16:35,315 --> 02:16:35,315
the standards it talks I mean I don't I'm not looking at parking counts or anything. But if

1270
02:16:39,786 --> 02:16:39,786
you're building it for carbon and you're building it for the retail multifamily and

1271
02:16:44,324 --> 02:16:44,324
presumably the hotel to your point, you're going to way over build that garage on day one.

1272
02:16:49,962 --> 02:16:49,962
there again, that's the incentive to keep going. Yeah, yeah. When you go 10 million in

1273
02:16:54,466 --> 02:16:54,466
in the middle of you have to go, you got to get cash going. So I mean, have you done a

1274
02:17:01,340 --> 02:17:01,340
preliminary study of how big that garage needs to be right now? We think it's probably

1275
02:17:06,546 --> 02:17:06,546
grade plus four. Okay, if we could get it down smaller, we will. There's a lot of work that

1276
02:17:12,784 --> 02:17:12,784
needs to be done in design with staff, but we think in grade plus four, maybe grade plus

1277
02:17:17,390 --> 02:17:17,390
three. See, when we move the multifamily to the top to structured parking, wrap, that

1278
02:17:23,162 --> 02:17:23,162
took a lot of parking load out of that garage, which is a good thing for that garage because it

1279
02:17:28,100 --> 02:17:28,100
was getting pretty tall at grade plus six, and that was right up against your cap for height.

1280
02:17:32,938 --> 02:17:32,938
that was kind of where I was. So in the standards, I noticed there was a cap on height of

1281
02:17:38,310 --> 02:17:38,310
parking garage, and it also ties it to like that can't be higher than the surrounding building.

1282
02:17:43,048 --> 02:17:46,852
so I don't know what that retail multifamily if that podium if you're still thinking that's like a podium plus 3 or 4 or how big that multi is in the middle. Oh, and I don't know if applies

1283
02:17:53,825 --> 02:17:53,825
because it's not a wrap okay. It's probably it's probably podium. Plus three on one side

1284
02:18:00,065 --> 02:18:00,065
and four on the other. Okay so do you anticipate that garage being higher than that podium? I

1285
02:18:07,004 --> 02:18:07,004
don't know that it's a problem, but definitely I think tie it where you can't. Yeah okay. This

1286
02:18:12,577 --> 02:18:12,577
is this is as you can see this is a tremendous puzzle that we've got to solve, but from a

1287
02:18:19,784 --> 02:18:19,784
placemaking perspective, we want to keep that garage, you know, clad to hide it a little bit and

1288
02:18:25,356 --> 02:18:25,356
make it an integral part of the. So I think it talks in the, in the development standards about

1289
02:18:29,961 --> 02:18:29,961
the cladding on that garage. It talks about the wrap garage for sure. I was trying to go through

1290
02:18:35,132 --> 02:18:35,132
a lot of information, but do we have a cladding requirement on the standalone garage? Okay. A

1291
02:18:46,410 --> 02:18:46,410
height requirement. Do we have a cladding requirement like, you know, if you go at some. Yeah.

1292
02:18:52,049 --> 02:18:52,049
it can't just be a raw parking garage and then go ahead. You want to jump in, just you

1293
02:18:57,521 --> 02:18:57,521
mentioned earlier about not being able to develop all the retail in phase three before you

1294
02:19:03,427 --> 02:19:03,427
are able to show a potential client the vision or, you know, building out the other stuff.

1295
02:19:11,001 --> 02:19:11,001
couldn't you? Why couldn't you build all of the structures around it? So, you know, you got

1296
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:17,040
I know you mentioned the reception facility could be added to phase two. Why couldn't

1297
02:19:22,511 --> 02:19:22,511
that be part of phase one? Why couldn't some of the other structures that you have around

1298
02:19:27,684 --> 02:19:27,684
it be part of phase one? So some of the pathways and some of the other art waterway is so, so

1299
02:19:35,892 --> 02:19:35,892
affected by the current water, flood plain. Well, I'm talking about, at the very bottom. So

1300
02:19:42,665 --> 02:19:42,665
all the things coming off of prosper trail, maybe anything that's on that, that little,

1301
02:19:46,836 --> 02:19:46,836
roundabout that you've got at the corner of the tollway and prosper trail, you know, some of

1302
02:19:53,909 --> 02:19:53,909
these without the structures that are bordering the water, but just all of the things that

1303
02:19:59,381 --> 02:19:59,381
don't involve someone going into. Couldn't you just build all of that stuff and just don't

1304
02:20:04,553 --> 02:20:04,553
put a don't put the restaurants here? Yeah, all of it. No because it goes right from one

1305
02:20:10,626 --> 02:20:10,626
and then you work your way out. But we're we're here talking about can we get to the chapel

1306
02:20:15,730 --> 02:20:15,730
to the event center with the three bridges. Right. Need the bridges. We're all trying to

1307
02:20:20,902 --> 02:20:20,902
solve it right now to go from east to west. Right. But it wouldn't go from south to north.

1308
02:20:26,341 --> 02:20:26,341
no, it can't east to west. Because the only thing I'm wondering is if you could just

1309
02:20:30,779 --> 02:20:30,779
build everything but the retail locations themselves. I mean, for I don't have the in my

1310
02:20:38,119 --> 02:20:38,119
packet, I don't have the design that you had for the, the actual how it's supposed to look. But

1311
02:20:44,492 --> 02:20:48,162
if you built everything except for the retail locations, everything, the walkways, the, the, the art, the everything and built it out. So the only thing that was missing was for you to

1312
02:20:54,469 --> 02:20:54,469
input that. And if you could do that in, in phase one, I don't. Well I can save it for when we

1313
02:21:01,109 --> 02:21:01,109
get to comments. But that's the only question that I had is like, why is that? Why is that

1314
02:21:05,546 --> 02:21:05,546
not doable? In phase one we are doing in phase one, we're doing the walkways and everything. And

1315
02:21:10,051 --> 02:21:10,051
for example, to barry's point, if we could do the retail and office here at this corner, we

1316
02:21:15,589 --> 02:21:19,427
would do it right, because it's already because the office doesn't need like for whatever I just don't think you're going to like it. Yeah. It's just not it's not what you think it's

1317
02:21:23,630 --> 02:21:27,600
going to be. But the other walkways, the all around, the infrastructure around this, that's all going in phase one, it's at the earliest. It can be phase two because of the

1318
02:21:34,441 --> 02:21:34,441
waterway infrastructure. We've got to get that that that waterway constructed, before any

1319
02:21:42,582 --> 02:21:42,582
of that could go in. And you could build those little out buildings at the corner of

1320
02:21:48,989 --> 02:21:48,989
prosper and shawnee. But it's not going to be. It's not going to have the energy and vibe you

1321
02:21:54,861 --> 02:21:54,861
think it's going to be kind of like center square. Once you get to that center square. Now, is

1322
02:22:00,199 --> 02:22:00,199
that the library space? Right. That is that that's a cool spot. There's a cinema on one side.

1323
02:22:07,874 --> 02:22:07,874
there's a retail. I mean, that's, that's that's really a great place. And then there's a

1324
02:22:13,112 --> 02:22:13,112
walkway to. Because there's a lot of retail in this center space. It's all this could be

1325
02:22:20,953 --> 02:22:20,953
phase two. Yeah. We can get to the you've got to clear the waterway first. So it's the

1326
02:22:27,527 --> 02:22:27,527
reception facility part of now phase two. I'm sorry. Just to keep track of my notes, we're

1327
02:22:33,265 --> 02:22:33,265
saying, okay, cut this thing in half. If you drew a line north south through it, you could make

1328
02:22:38,403 --> 02:22:38,403
the blue in the purple part of your face, too. So those other two retail would be part of

1329
02:22:43,075 --> 02:22:43,075
phase two, or was that bottom right one, the indoor amusement place, part of phase one? None

1330
02:22:48,847 --> 02:22:48,847
of it can be phase one because it's in the floodway, right? If you remember the blue line. Yeah

1331
02:22:55,287 --> 02:22:55,287
yeah. All of that area is affected by that. So we've got to clear that. But I think you

1332
02:23:03,228 --> 02:23:03,228
said generally timing, you've got about a year to kind of get that figured out right from your

1333
02:23:09,033 --> 02:23:09,033
design for carbon and everything else to be ready to break ground, start scraping the

1334
02:23:14,373 --> 02:23:14,373
ground. Yes but it'll probably take every bit of that on this. Yeah, a lot of approvals and

1335
02:23:19,978 --> 02:23:19,978
design work that has to happen. I think the design could go quicker probably if you had

1336
02:23:24,148 --> 02:23:24,148
skin. I do have a yeah. Sorry sorry I had to I did have a question kind of tied because I

1337
02:23:33,424 --> 02:23:33,424
know what the most unpopular thing in this whole entire diagram is. And that's that top

1338
02:23:37,929 --> 02:23:37,929
left, corner right. And we get why it's there and we understand it, or I think we do. I do, I

1339
02:23:42,933 --> 02:23:42,933
think the concern that it's been expressed from some folks, not necessarily up here, just in the

1340
02:23:49,274 --> 02:23:49,274
, in prosper is how do we how do we tie that to carbon appropriately. And I'm going to

1341
02:23:56,447 --> 02:23:56,447
say legally, whatever we can do. But to where? Let's just say I don't think you're going away,

1342
02:24:01,618 --> 02:24:01,618
but let's just say something happens and this goes away. You sell off the multi apartments,

1343
02:24:06,357 --> 02:24:06,357
get built out in the middle of a field and nothing ever comes behind it. I don't think we my

1344
02:24:10,594 --> 02:24:10,594
opinion is not to go so extreme to push it in its own phase. I don't think that's good for the

1345
02:24:16,667 --> 02:24:20,604
development. I think people in the development is really key to the development happening. But is there a I'm just more of a collaborative discussion with you? Is there a way to tie that

1346
02:24:26,643 --> 02:24:26,643
to carbon, where you can't get a co on multifamily without the co on carbon, or somehow reasonably

1347
02:24:33,350 --> 02:24:33,350
not trying to encumber you, but just where we can go to prosper and say, look, yes, we're giving

1348
02:24:37,788 --> 02:24:37,788
them multi but we're also getting development, an amazing hotel amenity. Yeah yeah that's

1349
02:24:43,559 --> 02:24:43,559
my somebody I never met this I want to but I, I guess I have a lot of cash. So you're asking a

1350
02:24:54,537 --> 02:24:54,537
lender to attach his money to the performance of a third party. And that kills every

1351
02:25:00,610 --> 02:25:00,610
deal. We have a zoning case going on as we speak in richardson right now, that we

1352
02:25:04,681 --> 02:25:04,681
got a trigger approved on two years ago, and for student housing would you think next to

1353
02:25:11,521 --> 02:25:11,521
utd would just roll right. And even the lending around student housing collapsed because it was

1354
02:25:17,560 --> 02:25:17,560
attached to the performance of a third party. So now that applicant is retrying to redo

1355
02:25:22,064 --> 02:25:22,064
his zoning two years later. So that's two years that the students lost two years. The

1356
02:25:26,601 --> 02:25:26,601
city lost in appraisals. So that's the risk of triggers that are attached to coe's

1357
02:25:31,406 --> 02:25:31,406
commissioner carson, maybe the solution to that of getting what you want is maybe adding another

1358
02:25:39,315 --> 02:25:39,315
phase and phase one, be the medical office conference center, hotel carbon, all of

1359
02:25:44,953 --> 02:25:44,953
that that, you know, we're very strong on and making the multifamily in the top left.

1360
02:25:52,828 --> 02:25:52,828
phase two because it's probably going to happen right at the very quickly thereafter. So the

1361
02:25:59,268 --> 02:25:59,268
one will happen, which is what your goal is, and then make that multifamily in the top left

1362
02:26:06,107 --> 02:26:06,107
phase two. And then you know, the rest of the phase thing would continue. Commissioner

1363
02:26:10,679 --> 02:26:10,679
hamilton, if I may comment on that. We thought through that, and the only reason we're doing

1364
02:26:16,184 --> 02:26:16,184
multifamily along with carbon is, carbon needed people to activate. Right? It's supposed

1365
02:26:21,156 --> 02:26:21,156
to be a ten mile catchment. They need it like any. We looked at your pereira and other projects

1366
02:26:26,293 --> 02:26:29,864
as well. There's always some component of residential that gets activated for carbon. It was this multifamily that activates there. They wanted the multifamily to go right. These

1367
02:26:34,234 --> 02:26:38,005
guys to come in and eat there or whatever membership, whatever those are. So that was the reason they were going in together, and, and I think, sean, you can add in there. So

1368
02:26:43,711 --> 02:26:43,711
that's, that's that I said, I even said to our partner, our financial partner who will be

1369
02:26:50,117 --> 02:26:50,117
here next week, why don't we do the multifamily? Let's at the same time and he's like, you're

1370
02:26:55,289 --> 02:26:55,289
a hotel guy, stay in your lane. That's right. This is the guy. So it's so important that we

1371
02:27:00,861 --> 02:27:00,861
have a professional side that does that. But we need those thousand humans, you know, to

1372
02:27:06,500 --> 02:27:06,500
come and activate the gym, the restaurants. It's going to be five, five. Miles wide to really

1373
02:27:19,146 --> 02:27:19,146
activate all the retail here. But it helps if there's an established community here. It's

1374
02:27:25,986 --> 02:27:25,986
really seeding the ground for future expansion. In just devil's advocate, how do you

1375
02:27:31,157 --> 02:27:31,157
prevent what I just described from happening? Like, what do I go tell my neighbors when they

1376
02:27:37,564 --> 02:27:37,564
say, wow, you guys approved more multi that's going to get built without a hotel? I don't

1377
02:27:42,202 --> 02:27:45,871
personally feel that's going to happen. I feel like the hotels got more momentum frankly, than the multi probably. But well how do we how do we address that. I'll tell you I have multifamily

1378
02:27:51,745 --> 02:27:55,448
in my studio and building private multifamily right now is tough because of lending. Sean has the lending for the hotel, which is unusual, and a blessing. So the hotel I mean,

1379
02:28:02,020 --> 02:28:02,020
right now, if it was going tomorrow, the hotel is going to go up. It's going up first. You

1380
02:28:06,792 --> 02:28:10,496
don't have a there's no deal with anybody for the multifamily. Correct? We don't have an hour. But this phasing is going to have a sub phasing if you will. So right now I mean

1381
02:28:17,469 --> 02:28:17,469
the hotel's going to go up. And the deal has not been made on any multifamily. Correct. Like

1382
02:28:22,674 --> 02:28:22,674
the hotels go ready to go the multifamily is there for them to activate when we get the right

1383
02:28:27,579 --> 02:28:27,579
fit. And the right fit, the multifamily will go up right. But this is you from our finance

1384
02:28:32,851 --> 02:28:32,851
group. They say these things. Where are these things? Where? Where is the land? How do we

1385
02:28:38,724 --> 02:28:38,724
know it's the same way, right? How do we know we have them? So there saying the same thing you

1386
02:28:46,297 --> 02:28:46,297
are, we make sure that, but see the issue from our standpoint and I appreciate your issue. And

1387
02:28:52,704 --> 02:28:52,704
that's why you're sitting on like you mentioned. That's why you guys are on that side and

1388
02:28:57,808 --> 02:28:57,808
we're on this side. You know, there's a whole lot of trust us in the presentation. There's a

1389
02:29:02,247 --> 02:29:02,247
whole lot of trust us. The only thing that you will be bound to do is what's in writing. Right.

1390
02:29:08,086 --> 02:29:08,086
and the only thing that will be in writing technically is what's in phase one. That's the only

1391
02:29:13,825 --> 02:29:13,825
thing that we can really and really, it's what's built first in phase one. Truthfully. Right.

1392
02:29:18,596 --> 02:29:18,596
so if you decide to build this hotel and take seven years to build a multifamily, the

1393
02:29:24,535 --> 02:29:24,535
understanding that is tied and I get all of that, but there's nothing that we there's nothing

1394
02:29:29,106 --> 02:29:29,106
we can do. If you decide to build phase one and not do any other phase for another 20

1395
02:29:34,578 --> 02:29:34,578
years, there is nothing we can do without writing, without anything down. And you don't

1396
02:29:40,084 --> 02:29:40,084
have anything in your in your plan that ties anything to the things that we care about. At

1397
02:29:47,091 --> 02:29:47,091
the top of our list, which are the retail. And if you were to do any of that, if you and trust

1398
02:29:55,098 --> 02:29:55,098
me, I but trust me, I believe. There you go. Yeah full circle. There we go. I understand that

1399
02:30:04,041 --> 02:30:04,041
you have a vision. I, you know, I could sit here and we could all sit here and counter some of

1400
02:30:11,782 --> 02:30:11,782
your concerns. You say, well, we want to sell a vision, which you're going to get it early on.

1401
02:30:17,820 --> 02:30:17,820
is suburban retail. And we're not going to be able to give you the type of retail. And we can

1402
02:30:22,592 --> 02:30:22,592
counter, well, why not? Why can't you sell a future retailer on the same vision you're

1403
02:30:27,630 --> 02:30:27,630
selling us on? You've got the presentation. If you sat in front of some of the top and

1404
02:30:31,900 --> 02:30:31,900
they are they are around there, right there. You don't have to drive far to find them and sit

1405
02:30:37,106 --> 02:30:40,876
and show them what you've shown us. You don't think they would want to buy into this, especially knowing, well, that's what I'm saying. So. So we could do that all day. But for us, we

1406
02:30:46,215 --> 02:30:46,215
have had history with people coming in, getting, giving a selling a dream which it doesn't

1407
02:30:50,386 --> 02:30:53,956
mean that it's not going to happen. And then deciding to walk away and selling that to someone else. We you could easily come in and get approval for the multifamily like we

1408
02:30:57,793 --> 02:30:57,793
said, and not do anything, and then sell it to somebody in 6 or 7 years. Right. So that's why

1409
02:31:02,931 --> 02:31:02,931
we're so adamant on getting things in writing. If you really, really are committed to

1410
02:31:07,102 --> 02:31:07,102
doing it. Wonderful. Well, let's let's put something in there that hooks us to it. And the

1411
02:31:11,673 --> 02:31:11,673
retail is important. I I see that math that we can come to an agreement on. Okay. Could I ask

1412
02:31:17,812 --> 02:31:17,812
you a question? I know you need the multifamily and I know that's a big part of it. So the

1413
02:31:22,851 --> 02:31:22,851
multifamily in the top left is, a max of 338 units, you know, and the mixed use is a max of

1414
02:31:30,292 --> 02:31:30,292
350 units. So you are only going to get either a max of 338 if you built that. So why couldn't

1415
02:31:38,099 --> 02:31:38,099
we build the multifamily. That's with the retail. That's over by the that's next to hotel carbon

1416
02:31:44,873 --> 02:31:44,873
in that area. As a earlier I guess as a compromise. No, the problem with this is this is

1417
02:31:52,146 --> 02:31:52,146
like standalone with access, with shawnee trail and I think easy to construct all access.

1418
02:31:56,984 --> 02:31:56,984
this is like a kind of landlocked. We need to get this thing going. We are getting this

1419
02:32:01,756 --> 02:32:05,727
infrastructure going and to build this up along with carbon was what we were told logistically is difficult. So we went diagonally, say we get the garage, we get carbon on dmt, we

1420
02:32:10,297 --> 02:32:10,297
get this here, that was the original, thing we had, doing this was like getting, like

1421
02:32:17,838 --> 02:32:17,838
really logistically difficult otherwise it's the same, right? It's like 300 units versus 200

1422
02:32:22,810 --> 02:32:22,810
units. We could have. Yeah, I just I guess it's because it's so close in proximity to it. It

1423
02:32:27,915 --> 02:32:27,915
would have a more. It seems like it's a more reasonable connection to hotel carbon than

1424
02:32:33,720 --> 02:32:33,720
the multifamily in the top left, which all of us seem to have the same concern about the

1425
02:32:39,026 --> 02:32:39,026
multifamily getting built and everything else. I mean, I feel like the hotel carbon is going

1426
02:32:43,530 --> 02:32:46,900
to be first, but that multifamily get built and it could just be an island. Well, maybe let's maybe let's simplify. I 100% agree just just an idea. I kind of like your

1427
02:32:54,540 --> 02:32:54,540
face. I'm going to take barry's phase one a and one b approach. I think I said that backward or

1428
02:33:00,279 --> 02:33:00,279
I think I encumbered it too much earlier when I said tying it to co, but could we would you be

1429
02:33:05,518 --> 02:33:05,518
open to tying a trigger of a building permit for multifamily tied to a the start of carbon.

1430
02:33:10,423 --> 02:33:10,423
so you would have to start carbon before you could start multi as soon as I start the

1431
02:33:16,095 --> 02:33:16,095
same then you're off the path. You don't have to finish one if that helps you get comfortable

1432
02:33:21,333 --> 02:33:21,333
with it. We can probably make that work. And let me layer in some color commentary here. I

1433
02:33:26,038 --> 02:33:26,038
have multifamily in my studio at gensler, and almost every single project at multifamily project

1434
02:33:32,211 --> 02:33:32,211
we have is on hold. Student housing is booming on campus, off campus. Okay, but lending is

1435
02:33:41,354 --> 02:33:41,354
really stalled on multifamily now. A year ago, two years ago, you probably had multifamily

1436
02:33:46,291 --> 02:33:46,291
guys standing in line here, because lending was flowing fast . I was just sidebar with

1437
02:33:53,065 --> 02:33:53,065
krishna back here, I think you might actually, especially now that this is a wrap product.

1438
02:33:58,637 --> 02:33:58,637
there are not rents in this part of frisco for that building. It'll take some time to get

1439
02:34:04,576 --> 02:34:04,576
there. So you may have kind of a natural phasing on the multifamily here for appraisal

1440
02:34:11,616 --> 02:34:11,616
purposes. I'm sure your city manager would love to get it sooner rather than later. Right.

1441
02:34:16,054 --> 02:34:16,054
and christian is incentivized to get it done sooner than later. But it's tough in on that dirt

1442
02:34:21,760 --> 02:34:25,596
to build a route product. I mean, I've talked to for multifamily clients I have trying to get them interested in it, and they're like, nope, I'll do surface park, but I can't get

1443
02:34:31,136 --> 02:34:31,136
rents for multifamily in that part of prosper. So I think you've got some natural phasing

1444
02:34:36,908 --> 02:34:36,908
built in here that we're going to have to swim upstream against. But it sounds like it's

1445
02:34:41,879 --> 02:34:41,879
within reason. Perhaps that building starts on the hotel. You get a building permit, and

1446
02:34:49,687 --> 02:34:49,687
that would have to happen before the multifamily. It sounds like just a natural progression. It

1447
02:34:54,158 --> 02:34:57,795
sounds like that's what you're doing anyway. It's probably going to happen, you know, just putting in writing. And then I think, yeah, it flows through to the next phase of meetings that

1448
02:35:02,032 --> 02:35:02,032
will happen. So and during the last session we had last time you guys were in front of us

1449
02:35:07,370 --> 02:35:07,370
here when you talked about the multifamily, you talked about it being more for folks from

1450
02:35:13,710 --> 02:35:13,710
salina, from all these surrounding areas coming in. And take it now, you're saying that

1451
02:35:18,382 --> 02:35:18,382
it's going to be hard to do because because multifamily is down, but you are in prosper.

1452
02:35:23,354 --> 02:35:23,354
this is this does have prosper. Isd think it's the number one isd in the stadium moving here,

1453
02:35:27,658 --> 02:35:27,658
probably for the same reason. And so I'm hearing conflicting. I'm a sales guy, so I that's

1454
02:35:34,497 --> 02:35:34,497
just what I do. Well let's talk about that. Yeah so I did have a pretty good discussion a couple

1455
02:35:38,702 --> 02:35:38,702
of weeks ago about who would be coming to this project. Yes, it is. I think there might have

1456
02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:43,840
been some confusion, who's coming to this project? Is a lot of people within a 20 mile

1457
02:35:49,345 --> 02:35:49,345
catchment. Okay. That's the retail village, the movie theater, the wedding venue. The

1458
02:35:55,384 --> 02:35:59,355
people that are coming to that are from probably a 15 to 20 mile catchment. We've run the five top psychographics that will be coming to this project. Who lives in the multifamily.

1459
02:36:04,827 --> 02:36:04,827
and I want to I want to clarify this from a couple of weeks ago. Who who lives in this

1460
02:36:09,966 --> 02:36:09,966
multifamily, we think is that urban young I mean, the young, educated professional that's

1461
02:36:14,937 --> 02:36:14,937
who's probably going to be living in there might be some couples, these are one and two

1462
02:36:19,274 --> 02:36:19,274
bedroom units. The majority of them are going to be one bedrooms. It's not they're not

1463
02:36:24,447 --> 02:36:24,447
catering to families in that multifamily. And you need that housing type in prosper. But as

1464
02:36:29,084 --> 02:36:29,084
a as a project you're going to be drawing people from all across your city, hopefully up

1465
02:36:36,024 --> 02:36:36,024
from plano and frisco, down from salina, you'll have people coming across 380 from mckinney,

1466
02:36:41,563 --> 02:36:41,563
richardson, allen. So if we do our job here, they'll be coming from all over because it's

1467
02:36:47,269 --> 02:36:47,269
different than the luxury offering at legacy west and fields west. And what is

1468
02:36:51,873 --> 02:36:55,844
happening at gates of prosper. You've got a differentiated curation here that's going to be really important. With. The movements of this. I turned it off. They won't be moving into

1469
02:37:07,122 --> 02:37:07,122
all of this. They'll be moving into a multifamily facility that really has, none of those other

1470
02:37:13,795 --> 02:37:13,795
things for another, what, five years? 4 or 5 years before all of those other retail amenities

1471
02:37:20,235 --> 02:37:20,235
and all that other stuff is built, I think. I mean, you'll have the, the medical facility,

1472
02:37:26,708 --> 02:37:26,708
but outside of that, you are I mean, is your intention to attract those young urban

1473
02:37:33,147 --> 02:37:33,147
professionals to, within the first three, four years of the multifamily of this phase one

1474
02:37:40,120 --> 02:37:40,120
development's existence? No, I think last time we discussed to, commissioner jackson was saying,

1475
02:37:46,460 --> 02:37:46,460
right, some of the attractions were like, hey, baylor goes online, right? This baylor at

1476
02:37:50,598 --> 02:37:50,598
pga, that's like this young urban professionals that need an apartment. So we did comps on

1477
02:37:54,635 --> 02:37:54,635
all of that. Right. What's the comps of rented gates of prosper? When we changed it to

1478
02:37:59,139 --> 02:37:59,139
structure, the rents went up. And that was one of the challenge we had. But they would

1479
02:38:03,510 --> 02:38:03,510
come like maybe one b'zz commissioner was saying, maybe it's a phase one b for

1480
02:38:08,015 --> 02:38:08,015
multifamily, earlier it was like surface park probably rents would be in the 1600 range. Now

1481
02:38:12,953 --> 02:38:12,953
it'll be 2000 range because we have a garage. It increased the cost. Each car park is like

1482
02:38:17,357 --> 02:38:17,357
20,000. So it's like your cost increases, the rents increase. So in that terms that's where

1483
02:38:22,695 --> 02:38:22,695
we'll not have a catchment too far away. But we'll still have like young people working in a

1484
02:38:27,067 --> 02:38:27,067
hospital that's opening up in salina methodist or whatever is opening in salina and nt and

1485
02:38:31,504 --> 02:38:31,504
right, or the new pga near the pga, the new baylor opens. Right. All these health care

1486
02:38:35,742 --> 02:38:35,742
professionals, those need to stay in this community. Right? 15, 20 minutes. That's the

1487
02:38:40,480 --> 02:38:40,480
target we have. And this offers like a good mix of they might not have kids. They half of them

1488
02:38:46,819 --> 02:38:46,819
might not care about isd, but half of them might care about isd. If they have kids and they

1489
02:38:51,791 --> 02:38:51,791
still want to live in a one bedroom or two bedroom, but the thing is, like carbon will be

1490
02:38:57,363 --> 02:39:01,267
the lifestyle thing for them, right? I'm a fitness freak. I have to go up, get to the gym and go to work, right there, part of the carbon lifestyle, that's that's the target we're

1491
02:39:04,804 --> 02:39:08,574
going. And eventually, as we start this, the next phases will get activated, right? Phase two is beginning 50% of phase one. Like phase two, there's a lot of retail theater and all of that.

1492
02:39:13,745 --> 02:39:13,745
it's coming along, right. We can just color code some of this blue, like with the reception

1493
02:39:18,651 --> 02:39:18,651
facility and some of these blue, the right side here, I don't know if you see my mouse, but

1494
02:39:22,688 --> 02:39:22,688
that's that's there. So it's. Yeah and honestly, once, if we all do our job and build this,

1495
02:39:28,961 --> 02:39:28,961
it will drive rents in the northern parts of this project. You know, the rents in these

1496
02:39:36,534 --> 02:39:36,534
mixed use, we have empirical data that shows rents in inactivated mixed use projects

1497
02:39:41,907 --> 02:39:41,907
is higher. So that's part of the finance and economics behind doing this, I do think if you

1498
02:39:48,914 --> 02:39:48,914
guys are okay with it, we could pencil in a one, a1b, and then maybe commissioner carson, I'm

1499
02:39:55,887 --> 02:39:55,887
not sure who suggested this. We may need to flip the colors on two and three and try to build

1500
02:40:05,530 --> 02:40:05,530
the east side with this theater core. The reception, this retail over here. Maybe this becomes

1501
02:40:14,072 --> 02:40:14,072
phase two a and this becomes two b. So let's talk about that. Two.a. Because, we haven't

1502
02:40:23,848 --> 02:40:23,848
there's two things I wanted to talk about that we really haven't talked a lot about.

1503
02:40:28,853 --> 02:40:28,853
number one, the conference and convention center. We see that there. What we haven't really

1504
02:40:33,491 --> 02:40:33,491
talked about that a lot. Maybe the first go around we did. How many people does that bring in.

1505
02:40:38,863 --> 02:40:38,863
kind of explain what that looks like what the size is. The second part of my question is

1506
02:40:42,900 --> 02:40:42,900
the retail, which would be the I think the indoor ski facility is what's been discussed in the

1507
02:40:47,838 --> 02:40:47,838
past, which would be the southeast corner and looking where it's at, and I'm looking

1508
02:40:53,077 --> 02:40:53,077
at where traffic will be, because that seems like if that's as cool as it sounds

1509
02:40:57,347 --> 02:40:57,347
like, that's going to draw people there. So what I'm trying to do to understand your side is

1510
02:41:01,585 --> 02:41:01,585
how do we get the retail we want, manage this multifamily and get people there because if

1511
02:41:06,056 --> 02:41:06,056
that's as cool as it sounds, I think people are going to flock there and then I don't know what

1512
02:41:10,594 --> 02:41:14,564
the convention part of this brings either. So maybe kind of walk through that a little bit. Yeah. So the convention center does two things. It's 8000ft■!s. The main ballroom is 8000ft■!s.

1513
02:41:19,603 --> 02:41:19,603
so, just looking at how many people that, that fits. Right. So stand up is about 12ft■!s per

1514
02:41:26,076 --> 02:41:26,076
person. So you can do that math. Sit down is around 24ft■!s per person. So the idea is that it's

1515
02:41:32,749 --> 02:41:32,749
a super high tech, conference convention built in, a technology. Right. So you could

1516
02:41:39,655 --> 02:41:39,655
do a, you could do an esports thing and, you know, ryan gephardt wants to be able to,

1517
02:41:45,228 --> 02:41:45,228
simulcast operations at, at baylor scott and white. So it's a high res, that sort of thing.

1518
02:41:54,237 --> 02:41:54,237
so that's how we're trying to drive that, that business. And there's a time when athletes and

1519
02:41:59,942 --> 02:41:59,942
teams book and they book six, eight months out. Right. And they're already booked. So

1520
02:42:06,282 --> 02:42:09,919
there's a period where we open and they've already booked somewhere else. We want that convention business. So that's that's what we're doing to fill our gaps. Right. And that's why

1521
02:42:15,724 --> 02:42:15,724
we add the esports. Those esports are they want to be around traditional athletes, but

1522
02:42:20,595 --> 02:42:20,595
they also will make a decision to come to a big event that quick so we can get them one

1523
02:42:26,468 --> 02:42:26,468
off. Right. So that's that's the reason for that. The bottom section, the retail, we have two

1524
02:42:31,740 --> 02:42:31,740
things to go there. One is called snow barn right. And that's that indoor ski area. The

1525
02:42:36,545 --> 02:42:36,545
other one's the lego idea. The difficulty with that is they've got to have access to it. And

1526
02:42:44,019 --> 02:42:44,019
there's the whole lay down for the rest of the construction happening. Right. And the

1527
02:42:49,591 --> 02:42:49,591
waterway has to be in place for that lower retail to be in. I want to do that. I I mean, I

1528
02:42:56,365 --> 02:42:56,365
would love for that blue to be sort of a diagonal across there, to be I, I'm worried about the

1529
02:43:04,439 --> 02:43:04,439
hotel. I mean, that the hotel on the left is called vose. Right? That's the 80 all suite hotel.

1530
02:43:10,812 --> 02:43:10,812
it's expensive. Right yeah. I mean, that's that's the cream of the crop that can't open with

1531
02:43:16,584 --> 02:43:16,584
dirt. You know, that's got to be. And you're booking those events, right? So you you build

1532
02:43:24,325 --> 02:43:24,325
a you build the facility on the other side, which is about a million bucks, a million and a

1533
02:43:29,363 --> 02:43:32,900
half. And then there's no place for people to stay, to have a wedding or you walk through a construction zone. I'm with you. I want to build both at the same time because we think we're

1534
02:43:38,039 --> 02:43:38,039
about 104 weddings twice a week for that facility. So I want to build it as soon as I can. But

1535
02:43:44,712 --> 02:43:44,712
but when you get married and you walk across the bridge, it can't be yellow tape. Yeah one other

1536
02:43:51,352 --> 02:43:51,352
quick pointer to, commissioner carson and, we could potentially one of the. I know we have been

1537
02:43:58,291 --> 02:44:02,195
looking at some of your concerns. We could do a1a and one b for like, you know, the carbon would be one a, so it'll start construction and then only we'll start multifamily. Only we

1538
02:44:06,867 --> 02:44:06,867
could break up. That'll address most of the concerns because one a you're getting all the

1539
02:44:10,870 --> 02:44:10,870
conference and everything. Right. You're seeing that carbon has started before. And the

1540
02:44:16,776 --> 02:44:16,776
creek like all infrastructure is done. Creek is done. It's almost ready. I know, commissioner

1541
02:44:21,047 --> 02:44:21,047
harris earlier was saying it's bad. Ready if you get a if you if you get somebody, we'll build

1542
02:44:25,785 --> 02:44:25,785
it. We want to build it right. If you get somebody, we'll build it. But we'll have the creek

1543
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:31,190
ready and all of this ready. We make one a, for carbon and the expo two tower and the retail

1544
02:44:36,362 --> 02:44:39,899
and everything that comes with carbon and outdoor recreation, and the parking garage. And one b would be the multi-family. Would that would that address some of your concern that, hey,

1545
02:44:44,704 --> 02:44:44,704
we'll because that should pretty much because I'm trying to do everything that I don't want to

1546
02:44:51,143 --> 02:44:51,143
lose carbon to some other town or city here. Right, as a landowner, I'm doing everything

1547
02:44:56,415 --> 02:44:56,415
to make sure it fits in. And we are pleading with you, prosper, to just make sure you help us

1548
02:45:01,653 --> 02:45:01,653
and rethink. How are you read how are you're, allocating phase two and three again? Were you

1549
02:45:06,926 --> 02:45:06,926
drawing a straight line down or were you leaving it the same? No. It could be. It's a little

1550
02:45:13,365 --> 02:45:17,002
fluid. Two and three. One one. You're clear on one. Right like we'll have a1a with carbon and zero two here. And then one b would be the north south. Sorry. North west multifamily garage

1551
02:45:22,374 --> 02:45:22,374
and infrastructure and the infrastructure and everything. I have to say something money wise

1552
02:45:28,280 --> 02:45:28,280
. I mean, so we just we just moved from multifamily being pushed back, but I'm still

1553
02:45:32,684 --> 02:45:32,684
building the parking garage and all the infrastructure. How do I know I'm going to be respectful

1554
02:45:40,558 --> 02:45:40,558
to you? How do I know you're not multifamily? Because I'm just building 900? No, it's like the.

1555
02:45:45,063 --> 02:45:45,063
yeah but it goes both ways. Right. Like we're in this together. It would be in the

1556
02:45:50,602 --> 02:45:50,602
zoning. That's how you would know. I mean yeah it's part of this. We're we're approving the

1557
02:45:55,673 --> 02:45:55,673
if we're changing the zoning then that's how you. Yeah it should all be there. Yeah. Yeah.

1558
02:46:01,412 --> 02:46:01,412
we're we're trying to work through the phasing to accommodate what you want and

1559
02:46:05,749 --> 02:46:05,749
what we also want as a town. So that's why we're having a lot of dialog. It seems like I'm here.

1560
02:46:11,789 --> 02:46:11,789
we're in good shape on this one a and one a, one b. That should address some of the concerns.

1561
02:46:16,560 --> 02:46:16,560
the rest of it though, we've had a lot of dialog. And I guess if one of us is going to make a

1562
02:46:21,832 --> 02:46:25,702
motion, I just want to understand, like the blue and the purple, the phase two and three, how have you adjusted that? So this reception, commissioner has this reception

1563
02:46:30,674 --> 02:46:30,674
facility could be part of the two, because when this whole area comes in, there's like, you

1564
02:46:34,845 --> 02:46:34,845
know, thousands of square foot of retail, there's a theater and retail. Would that be from the

1565
02:46:39,149 --> 02:46:39,149
reception facility to the right? Is that. Yeah, this could be. Yeah, exactly. Right. Like here

1566
02:46:44,622 --> 02:46:44,622
we could we could adjust this. Right. So if there is somebody if we get an awesome tenant here

1567
02:46:49,693 --> 02:46:49,693
that's coming in, we could just bring them in right away. Right. Again, we are doing

1568
02:46:54,263 --> 02:46:54,263
infrastructure in phase one anyway. We'll be ready for it I think to clarify on one a, one b

1569
02:46:58,802 --> 02:46:58,802
to look out for you a little. My was suggesting only you have broken ground on carbon. Yeah.

1570
02:47:05,675 --> 02:47:05,675
and then you're triggered and you're good. I think earlier I said co and I don't think you

1571
02:47:12,081 --> 02:47:12,081
can. That's not the right in government. I think the trigger is just as long as you've

1572
02:47:17,086 --> 02:47:17,086
started then you can go full tilt on multi. I think that would address. Yeah. Because I

1573
02:47:21,958 --> 02:47:21,958
think that's fair. That's what y'all have been talking about all night. Okay. So, mike the

1574
02:47:26,596 --> 02:47:26,596
engineer and I were collaborating back here and I'm going to I'm going to see if I

1575
02:47:32,335 --> 02:47:32,335
can draw on this. Suzanne, I can't help myself. So this. Oh, boy, oh, boy. Wow. This effect.

1576
02:47:39,308 --> 02:47:39,308
yeah. You speak to a new level now. Can y'all see that? Yep, yep. All right. We could see

1577
02:47:45,180 --> 02:47:45,180
that. So this becomes phase two. That's what I thought okay. That's why that's why I was

1578
02:47:53,289 --> 02:47:53,289
asking for clarification for if somebody wants a reception without loss boasts. Excuse me.

1579
02:47:59,495 --> 02:47:59,495
yeah it's not ideal, but it's eventually got to get there quick. And again, he's

1580
02:48:04,432 --> 02:48:04,432
incentivized to get this done because the wedding venue doesn't reach its peak

1581
02:48:09,271 --> 02:48:09,271
activation until they have a hotel. They can stay in. But again, if you include food, all

1582
02:48:16,078 --> 02:48:16,078
of this infrastructure here is part of phase one, right. And so when we say infrastructure, it's

1583
02:48:24,319 --> 02:48:28,123
all the engineering for the water and all the walkways, everything to get anybody across that water feature. Right. It's probably everything five feet back from the wall. Mr. Chairman

1584
02:48:33,495 --> 02:48:36,865
, because the restaurateurs, for instance, they're going to want to curate their own decks and walks. We're going through this at panther island in fort worth right now, so, sean, I'm going

1585
02:48:43,738 --> 02:48:43,738
to keep sketching here. So this is one a with the deck. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, doodling

1586
02:48:50,811 --> 02:48:50,811
now. Yeah. Now you now you etch a sketch. Everything is blue. You gotta change colors. Yeah.

1587
02:48:56,851 --> 02:48:56,851
oh. Okay, there you go. All right. I can I can change color. Mostly online. Well, you won't

1588
02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:05,760
be able to see it. You won't be able to see it as property commissioner. Yeah. Where's the

1589
02:49:10,564 --> 02:49:10,564
rest? And I'm listening. And I'm. And I'm completely losing. It helps me, by the way, when,

1590
02:49:18,505 --> 02:49:18,505
when we can come to a real estate, schedule outside schedule, then it. In a weird

1591
02:49:26,646 --> 02:49:26,646
way, it helps me to push the funding. That's already. As long as it's not too like starting

1592
02:49:32,886 --> 02:49:32,886
tomorrow. Although we'd love for you to start it all tomorrow, because everyone would love for

1593
02:49:39,726 --> 02:49:39,726
this to be developed. So so again, this I'm going to try to try to draw a, a enough lines

1594
02:49:46,799 --> 02:49:46,799
here that we kind of see something percolating to the top. So you got one a, one b

1595
02:49:53,006 --> 02:49:53,006
this become sorry the creek and infrastructure is part of 1b1a. And then this shape here which

1596
02:49:59,445 --> 02:49:59,445
has two entries. This is what mike and I were talking about. If you're going to build the

1597
02:50:04,851 --> 02:50:04,851
facility in the retail and this retail, we're still going to need fire lines. So you'll have

1598
02:50:09,489 --> 02:50:12,692
this drive and this drive and this parking will serve the reception facility. So again, this is a huge leverage investment. And then this will be phase three right here.

1599
02:50:21,800 --> 02:50:21,800
that's smaller. Can you. Yeah. Can you do this really quick for me barry. How about this. Use

1600
02:50:26,739 --> 02:50:26,739
the red outline. Because we're going to have to put this into a motion. And there's not going to

1601
02:50:33,012 --> 02:50:33,012
we're good. We know he he drew good lines. Hang on. Don't make him do it again. I didn't tell

1602
02:50:38,350 --> 02:50:38,350
him to erase it at all. I know, but I was saying was I'm good. I'm good with where I was asking

1603
02:50:43,055 --> 02:50:43,055
him to do was to. I did not ask you to. I'm good with where he did it, drew it. That's the

1604
02:50:48,727 --> 02:50:48,727
least of my issues. But how are you going to get paid to be able to write down. Right. Here we

1605
02:50:53,565 --> 02:50:53,565
go. Yeah. That one I'm not able to see right now. Let's go back to blue. I think we can make it

1606
02:51:00,305 --> 02:51:00,305
pretty good. I think we're ready to do. It's going to be a long motion, but it's not. It's

1607
02:51:07,011 --> 02:51:07,011
pretty simple. It's baseline. Yeah all right. So there's your phase one a. This is hard to do

1608
02:51:20,391 --> 02:51:20,391
with a mouse. You guys stick with me. So there's your one a you see that. Yep yep yep. All

1609
02:51:27,265 --> 02:51:27,265
right one b well I tried red and we couldn't see it. Let's do this. Okay. So this will be one

1610
02:51:41,445 --> 02:51:41,445
b which can start as soon as they get foundation I think you had something. Yeah. Well, when,

1611
02:51:49,486 --> 02:51:49,486
when the building permit started on the hotel convention center, medical office, and, I guess

1612
02:51:56,226 --> 02:51:56,226
parking garage. So you get all that building permit, then you'd have a trigger. A trigger? Yeah,

1613
02:52:00,697 --> 02:52:00,697
but a building permit. So you. Doesn't mean it's completed, right? It means it's just under

1614
02:52:05,335 --> 02:52:05,335
construction. So we know the hotel and all that's going to be there. Okay, let me use this

1615
02:52:11,975 --> 02:52:11,975
color now, which is not going to be visible with the black. So we'll do black. Okay. Here we

1616
02:52:19,749 --> 02:52:19,749
go. So this is phase. Phase. It's all done. It's called a system program. So we can

1617
02:52:35,332 --> 02:52:35,332
definitely clean this up. On the line. So that. And then last but not least, let me do this. Oh,

1618
02:52:54,584 --> 02:52:54,584
look at that. Wow all right. And then this fat line here. Oh my god, that is so much better.

1619
02:53:05,328 --> 02:53:05,328
that's why we have staff with us tonight. And that's your final phase right there. I think that

1620
02:53:17,573 --> 02:53:17,573
works logistically, let me go back. And is this guy. Yeah, it will be. This is the first time

1621
02:53:38,460 --> 02:53:38,460
I've ever drawn in front of a planning commission. I want to say that so you guys are amazing

1622
02:53:42,864 --> 02:53:42,864
, you're good at covering kindergarten? Well he's. Well, he's, clarifying for us on. Make

1623
02:53:52,907 --> 02:53:52,907
sure I say it right. Votes on votes in the. I got a couple guideline. Just writing

1624
02:53:59,681 --> 02:53:59,681
questions. How do we qualify what the kind of the qualitative side of those is? I mean, we

1625
02:54:06,721 --> 02:54:06,721
just kind of say hotel. It's a pretty broad term, but. Policy, okay. And it's, savior on the

1626
02:54:20,068 --> 02:54:20,068
cross section of music. Art. So the, you know, is the lobby has, is glassed in, and so you're

1627
02:54:34,581 --> 02:54:38,552
seeing the way you're seeing the face, you're seeing the chocolate, all that sort of stuff. If it goes for a wedding. But it's also there's a there's a rooftop cocktail lounge. Great

1628
02:54:46,461 --> 02:54:46,461
place to watch. And then. So how do we how do we capture that? Because right now our the, the

1629
02:54:53,233 --> 02:54:53,233
writing of development standard is literally just hotel. Yeah. We will more than happy to use

1630
02:55:00,074 --> 02:55:00,074
our language that's what. Also or I don't know the right answer to the question, but like a four

1631
02:55:13,954 --> 02:55:13,954
star hotel, can we. I'm playing. I'm playing devil's advocate again. Say they've changed their

1632
02:55:19,526 --> 02:55:19,526
mind. They sell it. And then we get a three story stucco. So holiday inn. But they're using,

1633
02:55:32,839 --> 02:55:32,839
there is a, a physical description of the four star hotel. So I'd be fine with. I

1634
02:55:43,483 --> 02:55:43,483
mean, is that reasonable? Maybe not. Let's not. Let's not over describe it. You're in a wave

1635
02:55:49,022 --> 02:55:49,022
type box, but can we just give it? Is that is that a reasonable all bound? That's what I mean.

1636
02:55:59,499 --> 02:55:59,499
we're able to we're able to specify the, the tier of hotel. No I'm saying, not just in their

1637
02:56:13,980 --> 02:56:13,980
specific but if they were to sell and someone else will come in, we're able to say that no

1638
02:56:18,551 --> 02:56:18,551
one can build anything other than a four star hotel in this place. That's the zoning that

1639
02:56:24,423 --> 02:56:24,423
we're. It'd be similar to what we did with the extended stay using the ho2. And so this would

1640
02:56:34,266 --> 02:56:34,266
have the paragraph tied to it. Okay how's that look? As a schematic we create a building

1641
02:56:41,506 --> 02:56:41,506
permit on this data like it's good. No way to get one a to go down and get that southeast

1642
02:56:48,280 --> 02:56:48,280
corner as. Well we got to do we got to do the floodway stuff first. Yeah that's true. Yeah it

1643
02:56:57,622 --> 02:56:57,622
could be a one day. One. See. 13 okay. One I'm going to keep keep moving. I have two other

1644
02:57:09,601 --> 02:57:09,601
questions probably for our team more than okay. Let's clarify that you may want the

1645
02:57:15,540 --> 02:57:15,540
development guidelines for mixed use. This is going to be very specific. So you might want to

1646
02:57:22,012 --> 02:57:22,012
look at it. This is just a clarification more than for staff. Probably so just one

1647
02:57:28,819 --> 02:57:28,819
quick comment on chairman here to touch anything on the south of it, our engineer, like mike

1648
02:57:36,360 --> 02:57:36,360
can confirm we need all the fire lanes and all the infrastructure going just so this. There's no

1649
02:57:40,565 --> 02:57:40,565
way we can just get a small piece of it, because we have to get these entries. This parking

1650
02:57:45,002 --> 02:57:45,002
and all of two points, and that's that's a challenge. So I'm going to make. All right. So

1651
02:58:01,085 --> 02:58:01,085
5.2.3. Yeah. So you guys can be impressed. That's fine. It talks about this is probably a simple

1652
02:58:10,961 --> 02:58:10,961
add. I don't think the applicant will care. But it talks about stucco. Yes. And this really

1653
02:58:15,565 --> 02:58:15,565
pertains as much to the one b. And well really in the mixed use piece would be the hotel is what

1654
02:58:24,707 --> 02:58:24,707
I'm kind of thinking. But, sorry, I'm trying to. I scrolled and I lost my place. Can we just

1655
02:58:31,081 --> 02:58:31,081
simply add, is it reasonable to add. Sorry, let me get to it. 5.2.3. Okay let's talk about

1656
02:58:44,227 --> 02:58:44,227
this. The 10% is down low and it increases as you go. We don't typically want stucco down lower

1657
02:58:53,870 --> 02:58:53,870
because you don't want it within reach. And then as we go higher up into the building, I think it

1658
02:58:59,341 --> 02:58:59,341
says 30% on the second and third stories, maximum 50% on four story and above. I'm okay with

1659
02:59:05,280 --> 02:59:05,280
that as written. What I would love to add up above. In number two we talk about fiber cement.

1660
02:59:10,686 --> 02:59:10,686
oh, okay. I'm sorry, can we qualify on three stucco or fiber cement? Just like this okay. So

1661
02:59:21,898 --> 02:59:21,898
basically it's trying to incur when you talk about a primary material up above it says fiber

1662
02:59:28,604 --> 02:59:28,604
cement and brick. Well any good developer and builder is going to not pay the premium of brick

1663
02:59:34,591 --> 02:59:34,591
when they can do fiber cement. So it would encourage a little higher quality material on the

1664
02:59:39,029 --> 02:59:39,029
primary component, and it would limit the less expensive materials or the less appealing

1665
02:59:46,204 --> 02:59:46,204
materials of stucco and fiber cement. So you want to remove fiber cement and leave it as,

1666
02:59:51,642 --> 02:59:51,642
brick or stucco, I would remove fiber cement from two two and add it in three. So you could

1667
03:00:00,616 --> 03:00:00,616
use it because it makes sense in multifamily and some of those others on upper floors. You look

1668
03:00:06,389 --> 03:00:06,389
at a lot of urban residential, as you get closer to the city of dallas, you see a lot of really

1669
03:00:14,497 --> 03:00:14,497
cool stuff in the parking channel, which is what it is treated like a wet sperm. Is

1670
03:00:19,435 --> 03:00:19,435
that cool to be used? So I know I know the designers quite a lot. I want to, I wouldn't

1671
03:00:25,841 --> 03:00:25,841
prescribe not using it, I would just say limit it to the same as the stucco. Okay. I think that's

1672
03:00:31,180 --> 03:00:31,180
a fair point. I just think it keep it encourages the use of the, you know, the panel, the

1673
03:00:36,418 --> 03:00:36,418
metal panels, the brick, some, you know, a little bit nicer material. Yeah, yeah, I know

1674
03:00:41,824 --> 03:00:41,824
it's kind of in the weeds, but it's everything. It is true. And I know you're going to wrestle

1675
03:00:47,463 --> 03:00:47,463
with this as a city as you continue the commercial development, the maturity and

1676
03:00:55,070 --> 03:00:55,070
quality improvements of the next generation is really nice. You know, 20 years, ten years ago,

1677
03:01:03,312 --> 03:01:03,312
you would have seen multifamily coming back, but, you know, waterproofing stuff is happening

1678
03:01:12,221 --> 03:01:12,221
. But I mean, if that makes you feel comfortable, that is a lot of material for us. We probably

1679
03:01:16,958 --> 03:01:16,958
I think these came out of the original intent of that verbiage. And we added it. It

1680
03:01:22,497 --> 03:01:22,497
was edited. Yeah, pretty significantly. But yeah, we were just trying to align it with

1681
03:01:26,902 --> 03:01:26,902
what the multifamily developers are. But I mean, we don't do a lot of partnership on the ground

1682
03:01:37,144 --> 03:01:37,144
floor, especially on what you see is if you look at these predominant, you see how

1683
03:01:43,084 --> 03:01:43,084
vertical they other side be more mature. But I think at this point another easy one, this

1684
03:01:52,393 --> 03:01:52,393
one's easier g point. 1.8. So it's at the top of page 93. So it's about outdoor amenities.

1685
03:02:05,740 --> 03:02:05,740
this happens to be a random .1. Very random one I know. But it starts the minimum of six.

1686
03:02:13,614 --> 03:02:13,614
amenities will be provided in the open space. Right. No we struck the amenities from oh,

1687
03:02:20,254 --> 03:02:20,254
this is in okay. I'm sorry. So this is within a reasonable constraints. And what was the

1688
03:02:27,627 --> 03:02:27,627
question? Well so my general question is I love about half of these I think are appropriate

1689
03:02:32,433 --> 03:02:32,433
what I would call an amenity, fitness station, decorative pavement, benches. I do not

1690
03:02:36,937 --> 03:02:36,937
think of those as amenities. And, and I'm and I'm kind of somebody actually made a comment

1691
03:02:42,909 --> 03:02:42,909
and I noticed this at the gates. This I don't know how it's written, so I don't want to it's

1692
03:02:48,148 --> 03:02:48,148
per what's approved. But if you're going to have amenities, they should be something that

1693
03:02:52,685 --> 03:02:52,685
provide real value to your to your user. I think the fitness stations are great, shade

1694
03:02:57,390 --> 03:02:57,390
structures are great, pergolas sport courts, fire pits, water features, all that's great.

1695
03:03:01,427 --> 03:03:01,427
that's that's what I would define as amenity benches and decorative pavement do not feel

1696
03:03:06,432 --> 03:03:06,432
like amenities. And if you particularly go to the gates there's like no benches anywhere

1697
03:03:13,072 --> 03:03:13,072
, and so like I said, another citizen happened to complain about it. And then once you

1698
03:03:18,578 --> 03:03:18,578
notice it, you can't ever look past it. So I might if you, if I know it seems meaningful or

1699
03:03:24,349 --> 03:03:27,819
meaningless, but you're only giving six for the whole thing anyway, I have a feeling naturally you're going to probably do more. Like a point eight is all about, you know.

1700
03:03:35,494 --> 03:03:35,494
yeah. Any other similar recommendations? We have been. We have landscape architects,

1701
03:03:46,171 --> 03:03:46,171
separate tables. Loves to talk to us. But again, that's that's something that. And so the

1702
03:04:02,787 --> 03:04:02,787
benching I do think it's important to not apologize for that because I would argue there

1703
03:04:09,761 --> 03:04:09,761
should be a lot more, but that's probably getting more. Yeah, I'm probably and I'll just chime in

1704
03:04:14,066 --> 03:04:14,066
a little bit. I think, you know, if the plan were to come in with like 2 or 3 benches, you know,

1705
03:04:19,437 --> 03:04:19,437
the director evaluate that and it's like, okay, let's do a little bit more. Let's enhance

1706
03:04:24,475 --> 03:04:24,475
that and have like seating areas. You know, I, I'm not going to speak for david, but,

1707
03:04:28,713 --> 03:04:28,713
but, you know, areas of decorative pavement might not be just a little strip here and

1708
03:04:33,317 --> 03:04:33,317
there, but it's like a real nice paved area that does. Well, you know, in a congregating there.

1709
03:04:38,756 --> 03:04:38,756
yeah. That was the thought behind it. So super in the weeds. But go to gloria's and I

1710
03:04:43,795 --> 03:04:43,795
bet you would qualify that as decorative paving and benches. And it's very, very poor for the

1711
03:04:48,132 --> 03:04:48,132
facility that again, I can't look past it now, but what are you asking? It's not a gensler

1712
03:04:53,137 --> 03:04:53,137
design. What are you asking for the change to be just this and three out. Take two and three

1713
03:04:57,941 --> 03:05:01,278
out. Yeah, I think they're going to provide benches and decorative pavement for the esthetic of the quality of the project. But I just don't think those should be considered

1714
03:05:05,449 --> 03:05:05,449
amenities. Does anyone any does anyone have anything else. Otherwise we

1715
03:05:17,694 --> 03:05:17,694
could make a motion. Yeah I think all of that. Yes. All right. We do have one thing we

1716
03:05:27,471 --> 03:05:27,471
need to clarify. Yeah. Actually, if you if you remember the illustrative presentation from a

1717
03:05:37,180 --> 03:05:37,180
couple of weeks ago, this parcel here in the northern part of phase three, has two hotel

1718
03:05:45,222 --> 03:05:45,222
concepts. It is those in this tiered building right here in the back, and then you've got

1719
03:05:52,628 --> 03:05:52,628
these, pods around fire pits called paco. That is kind of next generation, hotel pods. So

1720
03:06:02,004 --> 03:06:02,004
you don't want those classified as a for sure? Yeah, they're they're app driven luxury pod

1721
03:06:06,275 --> 03:06:06,275
hotels, but they're not four star, right. They're they they fall under those. You have to go

1722
03:06:12,648 --> 03:06:12,648
through the front desk to vote and all that stuff. But I mean, it's complimentary, but it's not

1723
03:06:18,287 --> 03:06:18,287
, you know, a 400 square foot room. I promise it's still so what kind of rent I mean, not

1724
03:06:24,626 --> 03:06:24,626
rent. What kind of. What's that rent for or nightly rate on that? I guess what I'm asking

1725
03:06:29,131 --> 03:06:29,131
about 80, 85% of the other hotels in the area. So it moves up and down based on it's all

1726
03:06:34,336 --> 03:06:34,336
app driven, right? So you look at your app and you can say, oh, I'll take that tonight. I'm good

1727
03:06:39,775 --> 03:06:39,775
with that. And how many of those units are there. There's 60 there. Yeah. And how would you

1728
03:06:45,113 --> 03:06:45,113
like that to be described as far as a motion to make sure that we're representing that

1729
03:06:49,484 --> 03:06:49,484
correctly. Oh, the language is here. Yeah and we also have the interiors. It's you know, it's

1730
03:06:58,493 --> 03:06:58,493
also a patented product from us. So you see here but I've got close enough. Arrows getting

1731
03:07:12,106 --> 03:07:12,106
close fully. There you go. I think we're good. We're just asking. I guess I'm looking more

1732
03:07:16,377 --> 03:07:16,377
for the language. The language to make sure that it's listed correctly in the motion, luxury

1733
03:07:22,116 --> 03:07:22,116
high hotel. Complimentary towards the language. I like these overseas buildings because

1734
03:07:30,458 --> 03:07:30,458
that was one of the criteria that goes through the front desk. Approved yeah. It will be

1735
03:07:36,363 --> 03:07:36,363
connected towards it will not be like me owning a part there or something like that. Right. So

1736
03:07:40,768 --> 03:07:40,768
it's part of the hotel. Okay. Luxury hotel pod. Okay. Would you say driven second hotel is

1737
03:07:48,008 --> 03:07:48,008
luxury pod hotel complementary to the four star bose hotel? Are you going to make. I just wrote

1738
03:07:57,917 --> 03:07:57,917
that down. I think, commissioner hamilton. That's what I'm trying to get to. All all these things

1739
03:08:02,589 --> 03:08:02,589
clarified so we can make a motion. So are we ready? Are you making a motion? I'll make a

1740
03:08:08,195 --> 03:08:11,731
motion as soon as I have all the feedback from everyone else. And then you guys can correct if there's you probably got good notes though the phasing. Right. But I mean, is there anyone have

1741
03:08:17,237 --> 03:08:17,237
any other feedback before I make a motion? I guess I think if you make a motion, we'll see what

1742
03:08:21,441 --> 03:08:21,441
grows. Okay. And by all means feel free to add anything. I, I have missed on my notes. I'd

1743
03:08:27,947 --> 03:08:27,947
like to make a motion to approve a regular agenda item number four. So subject to staff

1744
03:08:34,120 --> 03:08:34,120
comments plus the following changes, you're going to have to move back to that, phasing. I'm

1745
03:08:41,828 --> 03:08:41,828
sorry. That's going to help me make sure I get it right. Phasing is going to be adjusted,

1746
03:08:48,134 --> 03:08:48,134
phasing phase one a will include the infrastructure. Plus, the medical office, hotel,

1747
03:08:57,175 --> 03:08:57,175
conference center, convention center, hotel with retail amenities on the east side of

1748
03:09:02,214 --> 03:09:02,214
the project closest to the dallas parkway, including the parking garage for one a, one b

1749
03:09:08,120 --> 03:09:08,120
will be the multifamily in the north west quadrant phase two would be the, mixed use retail

1750
03:09:17,162 --> 03:09:17,162
multifamily theater, plus, the reception facility, retail on the south east quadrant phase

1751
03:09:27,673 --> 03:09:27,673
three will be, the hotel plus retail on the far west side of the project. The hotel in phase

1752
03:09:35,580 --> 03:09:35,580
three will include a, four star, four, star diamond hotel, and the second hotel will include

1753
03:09:48,026 --> 03:09:48,026
luxury pods that will be complimentary to the four diamond hotel. That is that we

1754
03:09:54,833 --> 03:09:54,833
know it as, hotel parkto both. And hakka and hakka. Hakka and also, additional updates to

1755
03:10:07,644 --> 03:10:07,644
section 5.2.3. In the mixed use, removing fiber cement from number two and adding it to

1756
03:10:14,051 --> 03:10:14,051
number three. And then, under g .1.8 on page 93, striking two and three out. And I would like

1757
03:10:24,895 --> 03:10:24,895
to also move, the three items, to an sup. That would be the commercial amusement indoor,

1758
03:10:36,373 --> 03:10:36,373
facility furniture home furnishing and appliance store and the vet clinic kennel inside

1759
03:10:43,446 --> 03:10:43,446
move them to an sup versus approved by right. Did I miss anything? Do you need to have a

1760
03:10:54,324 --> 03:10:54,324
trigger to go from one a to one b? Did you add did you add phase four, did I miss that? Oh, phase

1761
03:11:05,134 --> 03:11:05,134
four stays the same as office, so there wasn't a change. But you named all the others, so it

1762
03:11:10,406 --> 03:11:10,406
was the same with office? Yes. Okay. And the trigger for one, for one b is that one a, needs

1763
03:11:20,850 --> 03:11:20,850
to get started, construction started building permits. Somebody get that typed up. All

1764
03:11:30,960 --> 03:11:30,960
right, all right. We have a motion on the floor from commissioner hamilton. Do we

1765
03:11:40,069 --> 03:11:40,069
have a second to his motion? And nice job, commissioner hamilton. Great work. I was expecting a

1766
03:11:47,076 --> 03:11:47,076
lot. Quite the. I'll second that. Looks like somebody seconded it. Then we have a

1767
03:11:51,313 --> 03:11:51,313
second. Commissioner carson. So all those in favor of approving regular agenda? Item number

1768
03:11:57,253 --> 03:11:57,253
four, subject to commissioner hamilton's motion, please raise your hand. We got one, two,

1769
03:12:03,658 --> 03:12:03,658
three, four, five. In favor? Do we have any opposed? And one opposed? Commissioner jackson

1770
03:12:09,664 --> 03:12:09,664
opposed, item four. So regular agenda, item number fourfo pass. Congratulations thank you

1771
03:12:15,270 --> 03:12:18,674
gentlemen. Now thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate all y'all's work and appreciate suzanne, david, the whole team, what everybody's done and really appreciate you guys. Yeah. Good

1772
03:12:22,910 --> 03:12:22,910
job good collaboration. It's a collaboration and good work. And I really appreciate y'all

1773
03:12:27,648 --> 03:12:27,648
walking through the answers because you can see a lot that you know you're going to stand

1774
03:12:31,886 --> 03:12:31,886
by your word. Yeah. And you know we have a lot of people come through here. You've been on pnc

1775
03:12:37,291 --> 03:12:37,291
before. You know how it is. And so yeah, we look forward to it and have a council next week. So

1776
03:12:41,595 --> 03:12:41,595
very good. Well thank you all very much. Good luck council. Good luck council next week. Oh

1777
03:12:46,333 --> 03:12:46,333
no. Alright. Next item up this evening. Regular agenda item number five review actions taken

1778
03:12:55,543 --> 03:12:55,543
by the town council and possibly direct town staff to schedule topics for discussion at a

1779
03:12:59,980 --> 03:12:59,980
future meeting. Okay. For the previous town council items on tuesday, may

1780
03:13:16,130 --> 03:13:16,130
the 14th for consent agenda was just our notice of appeals, which is just any preliminary

1781
03:13:20,901 --> 03:13:20,901
site plan and site plan that you appeal goes to town council or that you approve goes to town

1782
03:13:26,306 --> 03:13:26,306
council, and they can move to appeal it or not, and they can appeal any of those site plans

1783
03:13:30,611 --> 03:13:30,611
are approved, for the upcoming town council agenda for the 28th consent agenda will be that same

1784
03:13:36,316 --> 03:13:39,553
notice of appeals. That's standard for every consent agenda for town council, and then on the regular agenda will be that pd that we just, approved tonight, for upcoming

1785
03:13:44,558 --> 03:13:44,558
pnc, the work session will go back to, 530, and then on the regular agenda, we've got for,

1786
03:13:53,533 --> 03:13:53,533
pisd schools that are putting temporary buildings on their site, that are going to be

1787
03:13:58,638 --> 03:13:58,638
regular instead of consent, that's bright elementary, stuber elementary, hall elementary and

1788
03:14:03,542 --> 03:14:03,542
rushing middle school, and then we have a drone ordinance as well. That will be a zoning

1789
03:14:07,913 --> 03:14:07,913
case, and that is all that we have upcoming. All right. Well, thank you all very much for that

1790
03:14:14,287 --> 03:14:14,287
review. Any questions for the quarry this evening? I will not be at june 4th. Fire okay.

1791
03:14:19,959 --> 03:14:19,959
thanks for that date. We could have tried this meal plan out tonight, but that's well as it

1792
03:14:26,832 --> 03:14:26,832
turned out, I want to go back and spend another 30 minutes back eating. But, quick couple

1793
03:14:32,738 --> 03:14:32,738
of minutes. Let's talk about food, we've got, a couple of options if we, set up something,

1794
03:14:43,182 --> 03:14:43,182
for instance, we keep doing the workshops and start them at 5 or 530. You know, we could start

1795
03:14:51,123 --> 03:14:51,123
them at five. And to get here when you can get here. So to speak. And, and if we do

1796
03:14:57,595 --> 03:14:57,595
something like that, then we can have food here at about 5:00 to where, when you get here, you

1797
03:15:03,501 --> 03:15:03,501
can grab something to, to eat. If we do something like that gives us a little more

1798
03:15:08,907 --> 03:15:08,907
versatility as far as what we can bring, because you'll be eating it here. We don't have to

1799
03:15:15,880 --> 03:15:15,880
worry about packaging it up to take it home so we could get, you know, the serving trays of

1800
03:15:22,086 --> 03:15:22,086
italian food, you know, fajitas, any, any number of things like that with all the goodies that

1801
03:15:29,994 --> 03:15:29,994
come with it. If we do something later on a night where it's all consent and you may or may not

1802
03:15:38,336 --> 03:15:38,336
be out of here and, you know, 3 to 5 minutes, depending on what comes off the consent and

1803
03:15:44,041 --> 03:15:44,041
discussions and so forth, we could get something that you'd be able to take with you, but

1804
03:15:49,347 --> 03:15:49,347
that would be a different kind of be more, you know, something from, I'll just subway or other

1805
03:15:57,254 --> 03:15:57,254
and that's kind of what that, that, examples of what you have on that sheet or things because

1806
03:16:04,195 --> 03:16:04,195
that way they're individually wrapped. You can grab them and take it with you, and you don't

1807
03:16:08,799 --> 03:16:08,799
have to hang around for another 30 minutes. But there you're probably ready to go home. So

1808
03:16:12,970 --> 03:16:12,970
those are kind of the two options, and there's also if for some reason we don't have a

1809
03:16:19,075 --> 03:16:19,075
workshop or, odd occasions, so to speak, we can contact, chair daniel and tell him what we're

1810
03:16:31,888 --> 03:16:31,888
doing and what we're thinking. And you can make the decision about which way to go, what type

1811
03:16:37,461 --> 03:16:37,461
of food, because that if it's just consent items and we do have the workshop, you know, you

1812
03:16:44,701 --> 03:16:44,701
may not want something either way. You might just say, forget it, you know, or go to go home

1813
03:16:49,872 --> 03:16:49,872
and eat with family or whatever. So we can just make those decisions on on the fridays,

1814
03:16:55,978 --> 03:16:55,978
once we know what the agenda is going to be. So if those options work for y'all, great. You don't

1815
03:17:03,318 --> 03:17:03,318
have to do anything. We're just eat whatever's here. Thank you. Appreciate that very much. So

1816
03:17:09,091 --> 03:17:09,091
yeah we appreciate all y'all's work on this case. I mean I think I know y'all had to do a

1817
03:17:14,263 --> 03:17:17,433
lot of extra work to get this last one really well. Appreciate everything. I appreciate the time y'all spend on it. I know there's a lot of reading. I understand that, so I appreciate

1818
03:17:22,504 --> 03:17:22,504
the work that y'all did not only vote on food as if it's a short meeting. I don't think we

1819
03:17:28,844 --> 03:17:28,844
should. Yeah. If it's consent agenda, yeah. Just say vote talking about it. That's fine.

1820
03:17:34,249 --> 03:17:34,249
oh sorry. If you're doing the food, if it's delivered at five and you come in I because we

1821
03:17:40,956 --> 03:17:40,956
don't know what a short meeting, what sorts of meetings can actually be true. So there may

1822
03:17:48,296 --> 03:17:48,296
not be anymore. You know to me it's best the easiest way is just here at five. You can come

1823
03:17:53,101 --> 03:17:53,101
and get here or not and eat beforehand and then that's. Yeah, let's just do that chick

1824
03:18:00,608 --> 03:18:00,608
fil a, the sandwich shop, all that stuff y'all had in the past , it's all been good. Or try it.

1825
03:18:05,814 --> 03:18:05,814
do one different every week. Whatever you like. Yeah, yeah, I think if it's here, people will

1826
03:18:10,051 --> 03:18:10,051
be happy. So I think variety is good. They can always go upstairs to the same thing every

1827
03:18:14,655 --> 03:18:14,655
time. But no I appreciate that experiment. Yeah. Try out a new places. Yeah, yeah. See what's

1828
03:18:21,195 --> 03:18:21,195
going on. I'm on. Move as long. Item six. Move to adjourn to have a motion to adjourn. Got a

1829
03:18:27,434 --> 03:18:27,434
motion, commissioner jackson, second. Second. Commissioner hamilton. Harris. All those in

1830
03:18:32,707 --> 03:18:32,707
favor? We are adjourned. 6 to