Mr. Harris? All right, let's roll. Good evening. This is the regular meeting of the tuesday,
may 21st, 2024. Prosper. Planning and zoning commission. The meeting is called to order
at 6:06 p.m. All commissioners are present at the meeting this evening addressing the
commission. Those wishing to address the commission must complete the public comment
request form located on the town website or in council chambers. If you're attending in person,
please submit this form to the board chair or a staff member prior to the meeting. When
called upon, please come to the podium and state your name and address. For the record. Next
item we have this evening is the pledge of allegiance. If you'd please rise. I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Next up is our consent agenda.
this evening and this evening, on our consent agenda, we have items three a through three h,
for consideration, did any commissioners want to pull any items off the consent agenda
this evening for further discussion? Yes okay. Commissioner jackson, what do
you want to pull? Three c and three d, three c, three d? Any others? I'd like to add three g,
please. And commissioner carlson, you got three g. Anyone else? 3d3b? Maybe I should ask,
which ones do we want to keep on? So. Okay any others? Alright. So that means I will
entertain a motion and let's see what we've got. We've got a. F and h. Right. So any thank you a
f a e f and h. Thank you very much. So I'll entertain a motion on those items. And then we'll
go back and hit the other ones. I move that we approve items three a, three e, three f and
three h. Okay. We have a motion to approve those consent agenda items from commissioner harris.
do we have a second a second, have a second from commissioner jackson. All those in favor of
approving those said consent agenda items, please raise your hand in motion unanimously carries with all commissioners voting in favor. So at this point, I'll take it back to the
town staff. And let's, talk about item three. C we'll just go in alphabetical order, three
b yeah, that's right. Do do we want to skip straight to question. Are we going to have
them present on it. Now they can present first. Yeah I'd say go through the presentation on
three b and then questions and continue okay. Good evening, chairman, this is, item three b,
this is, star trail phase 18. Construct phase 18 of star trail, consisting of 54
residential. Lots of five lots. There are four type of lots, lots a consists of six, 6875ft■s
by 55ft and 120ft, 456, sorry, max. Lots. And type b, there's, 558 max lots, type c 374, and
type d 340, east of dexter drive, there's a 1001 106 maximum with the maximum 100,
1139 lots in west of legacy. There's 622 with the max of 750 lots. Lot total. There's, 1728,
there's a hiking trail, 12 foot hiking bike trail will be requested during the plat check
process, it was about our, attention that there is a, trail not shown on the final plat,
preliminary plat for phases 1018. The star trail were approved on january 19th, 2021.
the final plats phase 1017. The star trail is also been approved. The most recent phase
two, phase 17, about 23 0169, was approved on march 5th of this year. Actually, staff, he
put together this, informational slide for us. I'm sorry. I'm too far. Now, to address any
questions from the commissioners. Commissioner lanson. Yeah, sorry, chairman.
so let me, first of all, thank you for this chart. I think it's helpful to start. And thank you
for staff to present that to us, that shows the conformity with pd, because we don't necessarily
see all the pd curves. So I think that's very important, the only thing I'm, I my concern was
the one about the hike and bike trail. Yes, so I just want to make sure that if we, you know,
approve this, that we're approving it with the subject to a trail being added to the plat
or whatever the correct language is. I mean, yes, it'll be before the final plat for check that
process. It will be added to that final plat. Okay. So we need to add that, add the, is it
a 12 foot hike and bike trail? We need to add make sure that's added. Okay. Put it back. So and
that's I see you've got this information on here. Is that which I didn't see before, but
is that, but there's nothing. And just to make sure there's nothing in the plat that shows
that trail in the current plan. It's only in the preliminary plan. Is that correct? On a
preliminary plan? Correct. Okay. So it needs to be. So we need to make a motion to amend that, to
make sure that that bike and bike trail is there. Right. I'm going to amend it. Yes okay.
thank you. So there's a point of process. Do we want to take these items one at a time as we
go through them and let's so if we have a motion on item three be here with any changes. We'll
take a vote on that. And then we'll go to the next consent item. Well, mr. Chairman, I
would move that. We approve item three b subject to the addition of a 12 foot. You have a 12 foot
hike and bike trail, as to be added to the plat. And if I might add to that, commissioner,
as reflected on the preliminary plan, as reflected on the preliminary plat. Yes all right.
so I appreciate that, have a motion to that effect from commissioner blanchett. Do we
have a second to his motion on item three b? I'll second it. All right. Have a second from
commissioner hamilton. All those in favor of approving item three b with that new, wording
included, please raise your hand. And the motion carries 6 to 0. Unanimous all right. Thank
you very much. Item three c, are you still up? Yes all right. I'm proceed. I'm sorry. Yes. Three c
this is the, site plan for the incoming retail. Retail? This is a retail shelf and site plan,
this is a 6579 square foot retail building, the history of this is a site plan was approved
on august 17th, 2021. The site plan expired, so they didn't quite finish the process. And
the, site plan? It will be. It will require approval as per planning zoning commission. As
you see, this location, was brought to our attention was the, the points of access for
this location, town of prospect requirements asked for a fire marshal. As long as this has two
points of access and then there's, pnc or commissioner staff approval. And there is
additional access that hasn't been shown on here on that commercial property to the west
of the cima. Quick question. Did the original site plan expired, which is why it's coming back
here, expired back in 2021? Yes. Is a site plan that we're reviewing essentially the same,
or did they make a change to it in that time? Do you have the old I mean like, is this the did
they just did someone just they decide not to develop or someone just forgot, you know, or, or
did it in that time I was just curious because I it would it would help be helpful to know if
a previous, I think I was actually on the commission at the time, if it was already
approved, as is, it's just coming back to us for an approval simply because of the
expiration as opposed to they changed it and made some something different about the
plan. As far as the site plan is the same. Like I said, site plan is only good for 2424 months, as
of august 2023. As you can see, there's an entirely new staff here. Okay. So gotcha. Just got
gotcha. Okay thank you. One note the commission. Yeah, absolutely. In the 21 approval,
it's a 70 235 foot building. And in this one it's a 6579 foot building. So it's like 10 or 12%
less. So I'm not sure. I mean, I didn't necessarily matter. Just something changed. Something
might have been us, one of the easements or the setbacks. And they added a fire control room
or sprinkler riser room that they didn't have. But I didn't overlay it. But it looks. Yeah.
thank you. In addition to that, they moved the parking around. They added they took away
parking that was in the, the south back over to the last part of the property. So there are
some slight changes in this. Okay. Thank you. They probably and they may have made some
changes to align with ordinances that have changed over the last couple of years. You know,
parking changes, things like that. And also I will say that, seeing this go through the process, there have been multiple changes regarding the, regarding this, fire access down
that y'all can see. But, as far as the fire lines concerned, there were multiple changes, in
our fire marshal. You know, he he stood his ground as far as making sure they made those
required changes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I still I still see this as an issue. Just
because of the access points on here. That, that section where they're going into that 711 and
leaving out on the back end of the 711, richland still isn't open up, behind it. So that
street was partially finished and they're using a one way as a two way right now down richland.
at the same time, there is no access point to the car wash that may or may never come. And
going into lasema right there at that corner, you did drive it into a community where right now
it shouldn't have any trucks and things going through there, but because of how how things were
approved probably ten years ago. Right. We're sitting in a situation where we have one
access point that only could take two cars coming in off of lasema, which seems like it
should be widened to at least fit a couple more. Or because when they go to make that first
left to try to go to this fire lane, if they can, it's just going to be more congestion,
especially going up towards those gas pumps. You know, commissioner blanchard said he
saw just today no way to get in the place because of all the traffic for the cars. So I don't
without without this actually having some real points of entry versus just this one. 711
parking lot. It seems like like we're going to cause more accidents and more things on
that, on that intersection that we don't need right now. Yeah, I'd echo, the comment on
richland, it's absolutely a bit of a hazard. And I didn't think about that, commissioner jackson
but that street is an open street. It's there. Which is ironic. It's not open, and so it
does actually pinch that down. That's a very valid point. So what's the time frame for it to
open? I mean, I mean, is it ready to go. It's been it's been under construction if it's done.
but is it done. Striped and it just blocked off right now. Yeah. Yeah. Because they have to open up going towards coit and they have to open up going towards the walmart on. Well but
actually to your point there's a turnaround right here that's there. So I don't know why that couldn't be open. Yeah so maybe is that I guess I asked staff I wonder if this moving forward. I
mean do we know the timeline for when richland will open? I guess I mean, I would assume it's
coming pretty quick, but at least a portion of it and you see there's two more plats right
behind it, which means there's going to be more more stuff there with only the two little
entryways. It just doesn't seem feasible. We denied the stuff on on the on the west side because
of congestion. Correct. So I have a question and I've asked this many years ago, but on a on
a consent agenda items. What if a consent agenda is not approved. What what would what
happens then. Because consents are really not much changes on that. Right. Well the, the
combination of different cases under consent is just a matter of convenience. And the
commission or the council has the ability to draw items down off of a consent and act on them
separately, as you all are doing here this evening. So the fact that an item is on consent
agenda versus on a regular session agenda does not have an impact. More impact comes into
play when we're talking about, something that is being considered under planning under
chapter 212, the local government code versus something that's being considered for
something where you have, discretion. So if it's denied, my understanding for consent
agenda items, are they really met all of the required moments to be approved? This is really,
you know, we can we can vote to deny it. But the, whoever's submitting could just resubmit
it. And at some point we'll be forced to kind of go through it at all. So depending on the
processes set out in the code of ordinances, it may be a situation where it's
resubmitted, or it may be a situation where it's approved for the town council. Okay. Once we pull it from consent, it becomes basically a regular item. Yep but the difference is,
is that all right. This is item three. See any other, comments or questions on three c at this
point? I appreciate the explanation, sir. Appreciate that. I think three c and three d are the same. Yep. They're going to be aligned lined up. That's correct okay. Any other
comments on either one. Well then I'll entertain a motion. Mr. Chair, could I ask a
question? Would the commission consider tabling this for us to get final determinations from
both engineering and fire marshals office, if somehow their their approval shouldn't
have been. Yes, exactly. So we can get you some answers. I think that's one part. But the
second part is you still have two more plats up above that are going to come back, probably
looking similar, but another office or retail space, and you still only have those two. You
can barely drive. I don't know if you guys actually drove over here, but that top part coming
in to richland barely fits two cars side by side. So are they going to widen streets? What are
they going to do? Well, if you widen the entrance off of 380, if it meets if richland is going
to be open friday, which none of us, frankly, I'm sorry, didn't occur to me to find out when
richland was going to be opened. I didn't realize it wasn't already open because as you say,
it striped and it looks ready to go. So I'm not sure what's happening. But, if it turns out
that it meets all of the code requirements and the only reason that we would be hesitant to
approve it is because the successful and they have a lot of traffic, I'm not sure that's
really something we can do. I would also tell you that this is especially this time of year,
this is an extremely common occurrence of all of the convenience stores around town.
the seven elevens, the exxon over at preston and prosper trail, they all get loaded up
with with primarily landscape folks. They have their trailers on the back and it takes up a
lot of room. They generally are not in a parking space, so they're blocking the drive through lanes as as you're saying, why? Right. Another entrance. Absolutely. And I can
tell you you will see shortly, revision of the 711 that's up on preston and frontier because of
that very problem. And they're taking over the lot next door and they're putting in additional parking. The drive through, like you see in rv and bus style parking where there's,
you know, multiple space for the trailers to get in. They're putting ev charging stations,
all sorts of things like that. It's the first one that 711 is done like that. It's in their
plans to start going and retrofitting other places where they can. They realize it's a
problem, our ordinances don't really address it. As I said it, just because they're successful,
we can't necessarily punish them for that and say, well, we're not going to let you have any
more business. Well, you know, we'll show you. So, as I said, what I'd like to be able to do
if the commission is agreeable, is it at least on this one, you know, if we could table it and
get some real answers and bring it back and make sure that it's like if we're going to table it
now. Right. You guys should have done the due diligence ahead of time to actually come before us
with these, with this information. So to say we're going to you want us to table it
now so you can go back and get further information. Someone should have drove the property. We all do it when you guys send us out these packets, our information currently is that it
meets the code requirements, which is why it's here. If the drive through at the kroger on
the west side, with all those drive through stations met all those drive through restaurants,
met the code at one point to somebody got hit by a car. Right. Then we have to go back
and say, okay, did we do the right thing? This is one of those things where you're going
to have more accidents. We're going to have different things right off of the sima, which is
already off of 380. Going into that 711, because it's just not wide enough. There's also a lot
of accidents on 380 because you there's not a dedicated turn lane in. So people slam on their
brakes to turn into 711. And the person behind him is going 60 miles an hour. And, there's been
a lot of chain reactions right at that entrance. I think that's sort of the. Yes, sir. If we
could go into executive session, I can answer some questions for you from a legal perspective
that might be helpful to the commission. Are we able to really go into executive session
in accordance with texas local government code section 551 551 .071 at one zero current time.
its current time is 6:26 p.m, so we are adjourned to do exec please note, 6:51 p.m, planning
and zoning commission return from executive session into the public meeting. And if, where we
picked up, or left off, I should say we're on item three c, and then we have three d next. So
any other questions, jarren, appreciate you standing up there and waiting this time, any other questions for jarren or comments on three c at this point? If not on item three c, I'll entertain
a motion, for item three c at this time I motion that we table it. And do you have to table it
to a specific date perhaps. Do you need a date or just table in general. So next meeting. So I
would suggest till the next meeting okay. Date is that next meeting june 4th. So okay I
motion that we table item three c to the next meeting on june fourth. Okay. So we have a
motion from commissioner jackson on item three c tabling to june 4th. Do we have a second to that
motion. I'll second it. So we have a second from commissioner hamilton to table item three c to june 4th. All. Yes question. Yes, sir, in the purpose for tabling would be what what do we
want them to be brought back to us to get back get more information on when is the
access points going to be open, how soon do they think they're going to be able to get this up
on the top? They show in their plat and I mean, in the in the site plan that there's a
driveway coming from the back that's not there. When is that coming? Okay thank you. Yeah.
good question. Good clarification. So all those in favor of approving the motion to
table item three c to the june 4th meeting, please raise your hand. And we have 12345 in favor
of that. Any opposed. And I'm going to raise my hand one against. So item three c is
tabled to the june 4th meeting. All right. Moving right along. We have item three d. This is
the final plat. And jaron I'll let you review that. Correct. Like I stated before this is a
final plat. Purpose of final plat is to dedicate the easements necessary for the development of lot three. So this is all tied in to the previous, site plan. Any
questions for darren on three d, I have a easy one, but you have two 15 foot drainage easements
kind of back to back one, you know, ten years apart. What's the what's the purpose of those
two? Why are they not maybe sharing just out of curiosity, I had to give it, engineering.
then okay, I may circle back to you on that one. That's all, if there are no other questions,
I'll entertain a motion on item three. D a motion that we approve item three d okay, so
you have a motion for approval. Commissioner jackson, do we have a second, second, second.
commissioner harris, on item three. D all those in favor of approving item three d, please
raise your hand in motion. Carries 6 to 0. Unanimous on item three d. All right. Our
last consent agenda. And jared, I don't know if this is your case or, is three g, three g.
okay good evening. Commission, three g is a preliminary site plan to construct a two story,
16,665 square foot medical office building and 11,000 square foot office building, and
a 14,725 square foot retail building, on the west side, instead of the required,
typically required may 6th foot masonry wall, we are proposing a living screen. As you can see
here, and that living screen is recommended due to the existing wooden fence line that's already
adjacent, to that residential development that's built already , and it's going to consist of
new evergreen trees every 30 linear feet, with two evergreen trees in between each gap. So
you can see, this is an update to the previous landscape plan that was in your packet, in your
packet. These trees kind of, closer to the property line. We're a little bit smaller,
they've taken away some of those to enlarge them, so that the gaps in between those 30 foot
trees on center, will be filled in to provide more of a screen, and that plan has been provided
for you in front of you as printed out in that 11 by 17. And I will now take any
questions you guys have for me on this case. Can you specifically talk my questions
around the two story building? Okay, question there is just the I think there was one of the
plans that showed a setback from, setback from the residential property. Yes, I
can't find it on my plan, it's if you can see that. There. 60ft. Oh, there we go. Sorry.
and there's. That applies on both sides, right? Correct is that excuse me, is that
different on a two story versus a single story? One story, I think it's 30ft. Okay and then
was there any I guess it's not a . I guess was there any input or anybody any comments from
surrounding residents or otherwise at all in any of these conversations? I haven't heard
anything from anyone. On the 60 foot setback, what's the definition of that setback? And
then I'll give you the question behind the question, the dumpster location. It's about
16, 17ft off of the property. It looks like. Does that is that not have to be outside of that
setback or can that be within the setback? Well, for the setback, it's the building, so
the dumpster can be in that setback. The setback is for the building specifically. This is
probably an elementary question, but what defines a building as opposed to an eight foot big
wall of dumpsters in it? What's, a dumpster doesn't necessarily have a use that can go in it, so
if you just put a dumpster on site, we wouldn't consider that a building per se, versus a,
16,000 square foot building. Yeah I think it sounds like you guys gave some consideration to
where the dumpster might make sense. Well, yeah, I mean, because it's. We know it's kind
of closer to residential, but, there's a eight foot masonry closure. Then there's five foot
landscaping around the dumpster. Then instead of, adjacent to residential, there's a 15 foot
landscape buffer instead of your normal five from between commercial. And then there's
that living screen. So we feel like it's been adequately screened away. It sounds like it
meets the requirements. I don't necessarily like it, but it worked. Any other questions or
this is just site plan is do we do do we have to approve anything with facade or
building? No. At the well, so for facade plans, I don't think this pd specifies that it has to
come in front of you guys, but they wouldn't have a facade plan provided until the site plan for
this medical office here. Sounds good. Thank you. Yep any other questions on 3g this evening? If
not, I'll entertain a motion on item 3g. A motion to approve item 3g. All
right, well, we have a motion to approve item 3g from commissioner carlson. Do we have
a second? A second? Who is first? Excuse me. Before you make commissioner harris second.
I think we had a couple of seconds. We'll say commissioner harris for the record. Chairman. Yes, can you make that with the living screen, the request. So just approval with that living
screen on the western side. Okay, so let's, maybe redo that. Let's redo that. So I'll motion
to approve item 3g with the, living screen as specified in the, the new living screen in
the site plan. Thank you. So a motion to approve 3g from commissioner carlson with the
living screen. Do we have a second to that motion? I'll second it second from
commissioner hamilton. All those in approving item 3g with the living screen. Please raise your
hand. And the motion carries 6 to 0. All right. Next up this evening, citizen comments. The
public is invited to address the planning and zoning commission on any topic. However, the commission is unable to discuss or take action on any topic not listed on this agenda. Please
complete a public comment request form and present it to the development services department. Prior to the meeting, did we have any of those submitted prior to the
meeting? We did not, and no others. So I think we'll move on to the, the next item this
evening. All right. So now going to our regular agenda, item number four is consider and act
upon a request to rezone 47 acres from planned development, 75 to a planned development for
multifamily and mixed use, located at the northwest corner of dallas parkway and prosper
trail. This is this is case zone dash 24, dash 0001. Thank you. Thank you, commissioners, this
item was tabled on may seventh, to tonight's meeting. If you would make a motion to remove
the item from the table, I would appreciate it. Okay I'll do. We have a motion to remove, I have
another comment on that in a minute, but do we have a motion to remove? Please state that
again, because I wish we would have talked about this a little earlier this evening, because
this is killing us. It's not on anything we have. Yeah red in here. So what? What is the motion? What? What do we need for a motion? Move to remove item zone. Dash 24, dash 001
from the table and considered. Okay can someone make that motion so moved. So moved from
commissioner hamilton? Do we have a second to that second second from commissioner harris?
all those in favor of approving that? Okay. That motion carries 6 to 0. Thank you. Sorry about
that. You're welcome. Okay, commissioners, this item is before you as as mentioned
before, you know, we've, heard this item on the april 23rd meeting, and discussed it, this
project is at the north east. Excuse me. West corner of dallas parkway and prosper trail, at
that time, it was tabled, and due to comments made at the at the meeting, a joint work
session was held with planning, zoning commission and town council, there were some items
that came from that as well as from the meeting that you had held on the 23rd, which we
requested the applicant to address, there is a list of via email in your packet describing
the items that the director indicated needed to be addressed. So, some of those
things that were addressed were, phasing to have the retail component, some retail
components at the beginning of the development to have structured parking for the
multifamily. And let me get to the updated. Concept plan. So you'll see some changes to this
on the north side, the multifamily, section or zone, rather than extending from
shawnee trail to dallas park parkway, is now consolidated on the northwest corner in a
wrapped structure where you have the garage centered. Additionally, the applicant has
set a unit count for the entire development at 515 units. Updated. The uses were updated
in consideration of those in the design guidelines for the d and t corridor. And, obviously
exhibit c has been updated, and there are some modifications with an office building on the
northeast corner and wrapping the sports court in the center. So, with that, I'll be glad to
answer any questions you have. However I'd like to just, pull up the applicant's presentation
because I think that they will be able to fill you in on more of the details, and then I will
if you'll bear with me for just a moment. I just need to switch. Have a quick question. Yeah. A
question for you. Yeah believe it or not, it's quick. And it's not about trees. In the. I don't
know what this what document. This is in the packet. Okay. It is the I guess it's in the just
our normal brief, on the background history, future land use plan. So it's on item. It
talks about the multifamily zone. Sorry. It's on page seven of 12 of page 55 of the packet.
so page seven of 12 of the brief. Okay, it talks about the multifamily zone and the mixed
use zone, but I don't see where those are defined. I didn't know if there's a corresponding
graphic or something. I mean, I know it's logical. I'm just kind of curious because I know there
was multifamily in phase two or whatnot of this. So is there something that defines what the
multifamily zone is? Yes. Different from the mixed use zone? Yes. Okay so that all
right. So this is the older version. And you can see that the there's kind of a line that
goes through the north. This this that was the defining line right there where this was the
multifamily zone and everything south of this line was the mixed use zone. And then that line has
just gotten a little tighter. So now it's just this corner is the multifamily zone and everything
else is the mixed use zone. That's perfect. Thank you. Okay I had a quick question. So just
and this is minor. How are we defining the difference between a cocktail lounge or the wording
I think was like, no, cocktail lounge versus an alcohol. And beverage sales. I think one is a
permitted use. We, we said one is permitted and one is we removed. I'm just wondering if
is the difference the primary business. So they're not allowed to have a liquor store versus
sell food and other things in addition to alcohol. So we did we did, remove the alcohol
beverage establishment and alcohol beverage sales and added wine bar, cocktail lounge and a
few other uses, so yeah, I just want to know that I'm just curious. I know that there's a
difference between them, and I just, I wasn't able to find it in the, in the language. The
difference between the two, the difference between alcohol beverage establishment and cocktail lounge. Cocktail lounge, commissioner, if I could the main reason we did that is
because when you just talk about alcohol, sales, alcohol, beverages and sales and so
forth, that's pretty wide reaching and covers a whole lot of areas. And in a couple of
instances, we took categories like that and eliminated them and put in specific uses like
the cocktail lounge, the wine bar, as opposed to, the previous one could be liquor stores. And
those are not something that that we're fond of. And so that's the main difference. It
was just to take out the broad based and, and define it a little more tightly to where it
was. If it's not on the specific list, you can't do it. It's just from a, from because as I was as
I was reading through it, you know, a cocktail lounge, I don't even know. I don't know
necessarily how you would define a cocktail lounge, other than that's what they choose to call
it. So if they just put if they decided, okay, we're going to sell alcohol and they're going
to put a couple couches and maybe an outside fire pit, now you're selling alcohol, which
again, I don't know that I have a huge problem with depending on the context. But, you know, it's
almost a distinction without a difference. You know what I mean? Like it's you're calling
it a cocktail lounge, but you're essentially doing the exact same thing as you would as an alcohol
beverage establishment. You know what I mean? It's like a bar. It's both. Both are allowed.
both one. You're correct. One does encompass the other, but the other the larger encompass
the first, so to speak. When you think of a cocktail lounge, and primarily what we were thinking
about is the lobby bar in the hotel, to me that's a classic cocktail lounge. Okay, whereas
as having as used in your example, a couple of couches with a fire pit out in the lawn,
you know, I mean, that's not a bad example. Don't get me wrong. You know that. You see that
sometimes in resort hotels, you know, by the beach or the swimming pool and all that stuff that doesn't fit into that because it's not specifically listed. So it would have to be
included as part of a hotel or the, cabanas. I've forgotten what they've called them now,
but, you know, the other components that are in the hotel, which is the one on the
other side. So got it. It just has to be a little more specific definition as opposed to being
open ended for a specific use permit, typically bounded by time or is it an open open once,
once obtained? It's indefinite. It depends. They can be. If the condition is at the beginning,
they can be, but you can't come back after the fact and say, oh, you didn't do anything. So we're
going to cancel this now. So it's transferable to. Right, transferable, transferable,
right. It depends. You can limit that too depending upon the uses and locations and, and other
things. So just back for your give us some background. We changed to allow wine bar and
cocktail lounge. I don't take any exception to that being on the list, but we took off
farmer's market and put it under a specific use permit. Would wine bar and cocktail? Don't we
typically handle the wine bar and cocktail lounges? Is it alcohol related functions with
specific use permits or no where we figure those are going to be located is in the hotels, and
they would have to be. They don't all have to be in the hotels. You know, it could also
be in a restaurant or another location. But all of those require alcohol licenses from
the state. And so they already have that built in process. Just because we have it on the list
doesn't mean they can open a wine bar. They have to get the alcohol license and depending
upon the location, it may even require an sup. Those will fall back into our standard regulations that we have that are not specifically addressed in the pd. So most of those
steps are still there other than whether or not it's a permitted use. And so if it's not listed,
it's not a permitted use. And it doesn't matter. You can't go get your alcohol license from the
state if it's in a location or it's a, a certain type of alcohol sales, let's say, that
doesn't fit into one of those specific categories. What is the purpose of why farmers market
and pet daycare were moved to an supp versus just a permitted use ? Because I had a couple of
comments that kind of pushed back on having those as outright, by. Right. And we
thought, okay, well, we'll just put them in an supp. So that way people will have the opportunity
to express opinions about it. And, and in all honesty, the farmer's market not that I think
they would do something like this, but, you know, the farmers market could be a little loose,
or it could be nice and tidy. And the supp allows it to make sure that it's not a little
loose. And nice and tidy. So that's the main reason. And then the daycare kind of the same
thing, you know, generally speaking it has to have some type of an outside run or a
kennel. You know, the animals, depending on how long they're there, if it's a daycare versus
a, you know, a pet spa kind of place where they're just there to get their nails done, have a
bath and go home, you know, they have to, to get outside. So we figured we'd we'd want to have
some type of ability to, to control where that run would be and how it would be maintained.
and so forth. It's just about trying to be able to manage these different types of uses.
does the extended stay hotel approval because it's, in the by right. I know that the intention
is the rehabilitation aspect of the medical center or facility of their building. Yes, sir.
could that because it's a part of a by right approval if the property is. I'm not saying
let's say if the property was sold, this would transfer to the new owner. Could they interpret
an extended stay hotel differently and put potentially put an extended stay hotel on
the property? It could have been when we had the extended stay at the beginning, and we've tweaked
this list several times, but we went back and we put the notice it's number 24. It says hotel
residents extended stay. And then in parentheses it has h02. That's the I call it the
obelisk. And I know they probably cringe when I say that, but it's the tower building that
that's there. That's the only place the extended stay could be. And that's primarily what
that's for. There is. And you'll get a better explanation than what I'm doing right now. But
that's for people who are in rehab from, some type of surgery right out knees, elbows,
whatever it happens to be. And so they would stay there for an extended period of time until
they've recovered. But it's specifically limited to just the h02. And so if they sold it and
somebody else came in later, unless they built an h02, they wouldn't be able to do the
extended stay. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. That's it for me. Okay . So at this point, are we
turning it over to the applicant, then, is that the water plan? Is I just I'm asking
. Yes. We would request that the applicant be able to present. All right. That's awesome. Thank
you all. I appreciate everybody's work so far. Do we go through the exact same? I think this is going to be a little different presentation. Good evening. Good evening,
chairman and commissioners. Thank you so much for allowing us to come and present to you
tonight. I just want to let you know again who is here from our team, so you know who is
available to be able to answer any questions. And since the last time we saw you, we've been
listening. We've been working very hard with with your wonderful town staff. And so
we're we're very hopeful and very pleased with what we believe we're going to present
tonight, I know this isn't a public hearing, but not have you go ahead and state your address.
thank you. Thank you for that. Lori medina for 308 shamrock drive, frisco, 75034. Thank you,
and so first we have kristen magana, the owner of the land who's owned it for a couple of
years. Sean ellis, the ceo and founder of house of tangram, the developer on the property, his
chief development officer, brian lockridge for house of tangram. We have mike martini, the
engineer from spears, it's our civil engineer working on the project. Barry hand with
gensler. Of course, we have john chief. He's outside counsel for house of tangram. He's here with
chief and stone. And then we have molly johnson, in-house counsel for house of tangram
also. So we're all here, and we're excited about what we're going to presented tonight
because like I said, I, there's some really big things I think that we're going to be bringing
to the town of prosper, one of the things just, you know, is that this would be the first
full service hotel that's going to be in prosper. This is the first structured parking garage
in the town of prosper. So there's some really significant things that we'll be bringing to
you, that I hope you see as a, as a commercial economic engine that will be on the dallas north
tollway for you. Thanks. Krishna nimmagadda 5804 south wind lane and, mckinney 75070. Thank you
all for having us here. Really appreciate all the feedback we got from the commission, from
the council session and all the guidance from the staff. Thank you all. I'd also like to invite
barry, who's a gangster, and then sean, my group, my partner in crime on this. We thought we
couldn't have done this without them, so as we thank you, I just wanted to state that, we heard
on almost all of the concerns we heard we have taken all of that seriously and tried to implement
it. Some of the things around. Hey, is this flood recovery possible to, like, what's the
multifamily structure? Parking whatever that those things are. But before we go into the detail
and let barry talk, I want to state that we had a holistic view for this property. I had
people that wanted to build a daycare and where you see retail, I still have people
lined up to buy it for a daycare site and a strip mall. We didn't want to do that. We wanted to
develop a destination that we all can feel proud of, that I stated earlier and that's this design was done on purpose, the flood area was not to just recover more land, but it's to
make sure there is water around the year and you can have a water feature in the current
state. There's no way we could have a water feature. Our architects are there. This was all. Most of it was done consciously to create like an ambiance of where people can
come and hang out, but again, we have taken all of your feedback, try to implement it. I'll have,
you know, barry talked through some of these changes, and I state that our intent is to
develop all of it, at the same time. If we could, but but practically practical reasons,
we are phasing it, but one thing that I'll say is, like we're doing the entire infrastructure
in phase one, the entire 35 acres of infrastructure with the water, with everything. The
recovery in phase one. Right. We don't want we want retail as much as prosperous don't want,
because retail is the defining feature for us. We have been having discussions with all the way from lincoln property to big mall operators like you. R.w. Right, the retail is very
important for heart, hotel carbon and everything. So that's one commitment we had like
entire infrastructure in phase one for entire 34 acres, including. So no questions, no
no vortex for us. Right. So that's and then again, just for what it's worth, the entire
development is like more than $350 million, right? Like whether it's multifamily, whether it's infrastructure, 10 million multifamily is a small component of it. It's a
fraction, 25% max or 30% in terms of the cost for carbon is just more than hotel. We'll have
sean talk about it. It's a $150 million investment for the hotel and all all the office and the
features and 100,000ft■!s of retail. The entire property has 200,000ft■!s of retail. We are
building 100,000 in phase one, in hockey carbon. So that's our intent is to activate the entire
35 acres and the entire intersection, not just make money off a small portion.
right. So you'll see that in our approach, and gensler, we have been burning their time as well,
hopefully we'll meet up to everything. So with that, like, barry, I'll let you speak and
happy to answer any. Thank you. Krishna, mr. Chair and planning commission, my name is barry,
and I'm an architect and a practice area leader and a principal with gensler at 5005
greenville avenue in dallas, we have a practice of about 40 people that does projects like
this, we're we're proud of projects like legacy west and discovery district downtown that
are really rich and productive. Placemaking projects, krishna mentioned wanting to do
something more here, and that's when they engaged us about, I don't know, was it a year ago to
start looking at this site, it is a unique opportunity for you as a town to kind of build that
new node of placemaking and, kind of pull some catchment from around you. There was some
discussion when we met a couple of weeks ago about, going to legacy west and needing a place
in prosper. We think this will be that place and prosper, but we've got to really curate a
rich environment that differentiates itself from other , in some cases, larger
developments. So so you saw the presentation of placemaking last week, and it was kind of a fog
of war, a little bit. And maybe we missed a few things. So you'll be glad to know we're not
going to show you, the entire illustrative package tonight. But what we do want to do as
david and suzanne said, focus on where the changes were as krishna said, we listen to you.
we heard and david sent us a summary, I think, to all of us of kind of the consensus that
came out of the work session a couple of weeks ago. So I'm going to talk about just very
briefly, and I've got some exhibits here. I'm going to maximize this. David so we can,
thumb through with page down here. Sean, this is the new conceptual master plan that
you've kind of been seeing in and around some images. We actually had a chance to go back
in and really richen this core, we heard you loud and clear on ed parking, rap type,
multifamily. We heard you very clear on counts as far as kind of where your guidelines are
limiting you. In the town of 7 to 7000. So we're going to talk briefly about that. And then I'm
going to take a little interlude and let sean spend the time that we didn't spend two weeks ago with you walking through what hotel carbon is. Trust me, it's way more than just a hotel. This
is a unique structure and infrastructure, kind of reinventing the way we do hotel
business, especially around sports and performance. There are so many sports, proposals up
and down the tollway now, if you could only just see it in our studio, some of the things we're
working on that are, of course, under under india's. But the, the core of sports and sports
medicine that frisco has begun down around the star and then potentially coming up into
prosper is going to blow you away in 10 to 20 years. So we're tapping into that. And that's
what sean will talk about again, as david said, we've been able to tighten up our suzanne said,
we tightened up the multifamily. This this one hurts. But we did it, it's going to take some
pain, we are showing a wrap structured parking product on the north west corner, and that
allows us a little bit of space to move hotel carbon and the xa2 tower northward, but also still
have about a three acre parcel for, that office building, which could also support medical or
rehab type uses, you'll notice that the core of the mixed use has also been kind of richened.
and then there's an axis that runs between the two hotels. Kind of like you see at the
star, that little play field you have at the star, that axis that runs east west through the
project. We really happy about that. And we think that's potential placemaking as well.
so let me just kind of thumb through these quickly and then I want to I said I was going to do
this right. But it sounds like we'll just have to scroll. David okay. So we talked a little bit
about the phasing. Not a huge difference over what we talked about a couple of weeks ago, other than just kind of dialing in against the new plan and some of the revisions that are a
product of that. So if you can see the cursor, our phase one band is this, I guess that is an
orange color, pink orange color. And then again, building our way across phase three two, which
would begin at about 50% of phase one. A lot of this has to do with construction, logistics,
and then working our way off the site with phase three, with the retail village down here. And
then once we can get office, really going enough to build that office building, which
could happen sooner or later. Right now we've got it pegged as phase four, but again, if we can
continue momentum with you guys and get through council, we'd like to see phase one
construction, which which consists of the hotel, the xa2 tower, the structured parking
deck here, which supports a lot of these uses. And this multi family, building right across
the northwest corner, that would be phase one, beginning in about a year. If we could start that
in a year. In addition to that, as krishna said, all the infrastructure for the project
would happen at that time too. So that's real key. We heard some comments earlier about, hey
, what if they only built the hotel and the multifamily and then walked away from it? The
intent is to ready phases two and three to come along in subsequent years by building
this kind of curated channel, and just so you know, we've got a lot of these projects. We
just, if you've been to the gate down in frisco, that was, strangely enough, that was a
wetland because the farmer who sold that land, he was smart enough to breach the dam on the
pond and get rid of the water before he sold it, but unfortunately, it left about. He
didn't breach fully the dam. It left about two feet of water in the dam. So the federal
government deemed it a wetland so that particular landowner had to go through the same process.
and if you've driven through the star, I'm sorry, the gate which is north of the star, you'll see
some pretty serious work, for how that wetland was curated. That is a very dense also
development in that. And so you'll see a lot of infrastructure. We had another
wetland project similar to this, in plano at 121, where that wetland was a very small
manipulation. I believe your engineer mentioned earlier that if you keep it at about 300
linear feet, it's a very minor kind of a form type approval. So this stuff happens all day,
every day around us in north texas. And again, if I could close on this image by saying
the waterway really is the value here, we want to kind of shrink it down. It's about 100 yards
wide right now, and that's too wide to maintain the energy across this mixed use village.
so we need to shrink it down horizontally to a width that people can see one another and
interact across with. So if you think of the floodplain as you have it now, it's a very shallow
but wide ravine. Well, and I was talking to mike, our engineer at the break. What we'll do is
deepen it and narrow it like that. You still have to have the same amount of hydrology and
storage, but instead of it being very flat and wide, like that, it'll be deepened and narrowed.
so it probably will have a constant level in it, like the one at the gate down in frisco.
but it's also deep enough and wide enough to handle any flood events. So this stuff happens
all day, every day. And then you can see on right here under phase one, you can see the
components that go into phase one, including hotel carbon. Sean's going to come and talk.
just we're going to kind of lightning round through some really rich imagery that's been developed for hotel carbon and the xa2 tower, so that you understand a little better what
exactly is happening there. So let me move on to that. So again , hotel carbon is that complex
along the tollway, kind of a gateway in and out of prosper. It's across the water. That's
part of phase one. And then we did have these illustrative images along the tollway service
road of what hotel carbon. These are concept cars. What hotel carbon in the xa2 tower will
look like setting a kind of setting it, setting a mood. These these this is a hotel for
athletes. Okay, sean. Yep. Okay. Sean ellis, founder and ceo of house of tangram. We're at, five
cowboys way, in frisco, I live in denver, colorado until july 1st, and then I'll be here in
prosper. So we've we're looking for houses. Oh, well, it takes a while. Thank you. So, I'm going
to just sort of take a step back for a you a little bit of history of, of us
and, hotel carbon and then bill and then we can catch up. And they've kept me behind the
scenes for a while. So I need to catch up. So, we are a incubation company. We incubate
hotels and hotels essentially have not changed in 1400 years. Basically you have a room, you
sleep in it. Maybe there's some food and beverage. That's it. Right. And you, you hear all the
time, all the way through university, that sort of thing. That's it's location. Location
location. Right. We don't believe that. We believe that it's time to look at hotels in a
way that is specific to a demographic, in this case, athletes. We know that athletes
are traveling here. So we can sort of set aside that, location , location. We know we tick that
box, right? So then we start to say, okay, what do athletes need specifically? So there's a whole
list, right? And this is changed since 2009. And I'll tell you what happened in 2009. Streaming
started and streaming services put a ton of money into sports is astronomical, right? You can
chart, payroll in sports, you can value of sports teams. It all started in 2009. Really that
hockey stick side of it. And really that's based on people buying, streaming services. And
when that money came into those pro sports and the large sports organization, they pushed it
down to youth. They set a they set an age of 12 to start to travel. And for many years it
was pay to play, the richest, parents could pay for their kids to play on whatever team. Right.
and that's, that's switched just a few years ago. And, and the way that switched is when all
that money came in. Now, it was the most qualified athletes. Nobody better to talk to than
prosper about sports. And the 12 to 18, 19 years old. And it just keeps going. Right. We already
know college sports, all that sort of thing. But I know I'm preaching to the choir. Right.
the isd here is leading edge. So that's why we're here right? We put this together. We put hotel
carbon together. And specifically we added technology to what athletes need. And I'll
take you through that in just a second. We put our money together $140 million. And we
found lori medina and we said to lori, tell us where to go. And she's taken us through this
whole process. We're here because she said, you've got to meet krishna. So we beat
krishna. We now are trying to tell someone about technology and hotels. When you look at
regular hotels, there's zero technology, right? Thank goodness krishna gets it, lori
gets it. And now here we are trying to show you what $140 million hotel looks like. It's
144 rooms and it costs $140 million. So a million dollars a room that doesn't pencil. So so
it's a mixed use facility. So the idea is we add the technology part of it and the
technology is a tracking device. So basically you where the athletes wear rings now that
track their heart rate, they put something behind their ear. They wear it on their wrist. Whatever
happens to be we added that into a hotel. So that wearable then activates the space you're in.
it opens your room, you can load in your allergies so you won't even see a menu item that
doesn't. That has peanuts. If you're allergic to peanuts, right. So we use a system
that's, more detailed than gps. We can tell within five centimeters where someone's at.
this is important. If you send your child, to a hotel. And what room and what floor they're on,
or who's near your child, that sort of thing, this matters, right? It matters all the way
through. Safe sport is what looks after our kids these days when they travel. And again,
they're starting to travel at 12 years old without parents. This is this is now. This is
happening. So a hotel carbon takes that technology. She puts the wearable on, and then the
athlete can opt in. They can say, yep, I'll share my information or I'll only share a
part of it, that sort of thing. And then we can then curate the spaces for those athletes. We
first start with nine foot beds, right? Our beds are nine feet long, showers are taller, we
take the, wet room out of the, shower area. The sinks, that sort of thing. If you look at
the way the room is laid out on the left, it's for student athletes. There's two places
where they can two double occupancy, where they can study, and then the closet is like a
professional, locker right at the end of the hallway, there's a locker room, light physio,
that sort of thing. And then the other end of the hallway is what we call a social space. And that
keeps those athletes on one floor. Right. So if it's the younger athletes that are just starting to travel, right, they're not up and down the elevators. If they're the older
athletes who are seasoned, they have a place. It's their sense of place. They don't have to
leave their floor. It's either their their position or their team, that sort of thing that
allows us then to look after them as, as we say, a 360 athlete. Right? So if you live
in the area within ten miles, we think this is your this is your center of town, right? So you're
going to go to hotel carbon and you're going to train at high altitude training center.
there's only one right now that's available to the public. And it's only a sliver of the
public, in colorado springs, you can train at any elevation you want. Well, with us, you can
dial it in, right? You can. You can train at 6000ft, but then you sleep at sea level. This is
athletes of tomorrow. This is what's happening, right? Anybody who has a high school athlete
right now, you're paying $125 a month here in north texas for your child to have compression
at the end of each at the end of each, workout, at the end of each competition, they go
through that whole recovery process, getting their blood flow. They they know a lot
better than we do how to take care of bodies. Right in this day and age. Let me see if I can
go forward so that carbon culture I was talking to you about the band then goes all the
way through, and it also affects the way retail happens. Right. And we're going to talk about
retail in just a second here about us activating half of all the retail in the first phase,
104,000ft■!s. In the first phas, most of it comes in the hotel carbon and surrounding area. And
it's retail, it's recreation, it's experiential marketing. It's everything that you would
want to do to attract someone to the area and then look after them. That middle section there,
you see the three, pictures on the right, the one in the middle is an experiential marketing
piece. It's called a drop. So let's say there's a there's a picture here that is of a nike
swoosh. Right. So you hold your camera up. If you've got the app, you hold your camera up and
there's a shoe drop that's only available here and it's only available now. So if you're in
the space you hold it up and you're like, oh, there's a drop happening. You pick your size
and it's delivered to your room. That's us. That's the first phase of what's happening here.
so what happens is you create that that I'm I'm in it, I'm going to buy it. I'm going to be
a part of it. And you start to look after people's health and, and, and their fitness. So that
top level on this is the high altitude training center. So if you live in the area you can
dial in, I'm going to come and I'm going to ride my bike at, at, you know, for 20 minutes at
10,000ft. Or conversely, I'm going to I'm going to train at a lower elevation for a longer
period of time, that sort of thing. You notice there's only a tiny little front desk on the
left hand side. We do that on purpose. We take the people that normally work at the front desk
and give them to the athletes there on the floors. So there's a small there's a small desk
there it is on the left hand side. That's carbon culture. So each floor. So when you're there
your team is looked after. So if you want to have a you know, if you're top level and you're 21
plus and you want to have a champagne at after the pro competition, great. If you're
entry level and you want to have t shirts made, that's the person that'll do it for you. They're
on every floor and it's not added staff. It's not any of those things. We distribute them
throughout. You can see the social space there. So now if you have that wearable and
you've opted in, now we see you right? And we know you're a 19 year old female volleyball
player d1 from indiana. So boom you're advertising comes up. That's you that you want to see
that you've curated and if there's a drop you got your new shoes, that sort of thing.
right. And we want you to present on your socials. Right. We want you to do a box opening
of the newest shoe, the newest this, the newest that. And frankly, this is the way we can
build $140 million hotel. If it's just the occupancy, then you've got a finite amount of
money to be spent if you can market to people. So specific to who they are in the hotel now,
there's an advertising component. That's a bad way to put it. But that's what it is.
and advertising component that compounds the number of people that are in the hotel. Now, you
know why it was so important for someone like krishna with his background and, and lori to say,
okay, you've got to put you guys together because no one else is going to get this and it takes a
long time for people to get it right. So the guest rooms, double occupancy on the lower
floors, single occupancy on the upper, so you can't convert a hotel to be a hotel carbon,
because the beds are nine feet long. So a standard bay is, whatever, 13, 14ft, something
like that, with a nine foot bay, or with a nine foot bed, you have to widen everything.
translation more expensive, more expensive room, more expensive wet room, that sort of thing.
right? That's what's delivered here. Interior track. We have an interior and exterior track, the
idea is that you're probably not if you're traveling, you're probably not going to do a hard
workout, but you're always going to want to roll out. You're always going to want to do that. That light physio to get your heart rate up or get the lactic acid down. This is the idea is
inside, outside, you can train condensing stairway. These are these are people that are in a
team and they're traveling right. So there's a congregation area even though they can't be
on each other's floors, which is restricted by the wearable, but they can meet and greet and
interact, on the condensing stairway, always a marketing opportunity for, anytime visual.
right. And this sort of gives you this the last, the last slide I have this gives you a
visual of the quality level here. This is not a low end kids hotel, that sort of thing. You
have plenty of those in in the area that are what we call select service. This is a full
service, quality hotel, not over the top. There's not four seasons, but it's a quality
hotel that's smart for the wellness and the athlete traveler. Again we you guys want
to talk about the specific areas . Just one quick comment I want to make about sean and his
investors. When they came in, they said, it's just not the six acres of hotel. They wanted
control on the entire property, right. What goes next to it? Because it drives the experience
and everything. Right? So they are helping us get the right retail or curated retail like
they have. Hotel was behind it right at the same time. The whole 35 acres is just going to
be really, really the ambiance and the experience and the high end. You'll not see like a strip
mall. It's not in our benefit to put something cheap in there, because we have a $150 million
hotel going in there. So I just wanted to reiterate that they were all in on the entire
property. They wanted to make sure it's the right thing. That's happening. Very. Yeah,
it's a great point. Hotel carbon is the design driver here, there are less expensive hotels to
build, and maybe the project would be different if that was the case, but that's. I think
the reason sean called us is I need something really different here that supports the hotel
carbon ethos, sean mentioned something about, stuff that you can only get here. We did that,
at&t had hordes of marketing and branding people that we worked with at the discovery district
and in their experience store downtown, just like the nike store in new york, you can only
get things that are uniquely at&t at that experience store. And I think that's what sean is
talking about for part of the retail here, that it's uniquely prosper arts district. You have
to go there to get it, that's and that's part of the whole brand, the target marketing he's
talking about. Look, I'm I'm not. I don't understand a lot of the technology that's in this
stuff. Some of you guys may be tech guys, but target marketing is. It's everything now. So
we're trying to design these spaces to facilitate that. So, back to the top here. We want to
kind of get through this so we can talk more, arrangement of multifamily buildings. We heard
you, that middle core there, is the wrap. Kind of stacked vertical, mixed use in the core
of the project. And then this northwestern pro, multifamily has gone back as well to a wrap
system with structured, parking. Of course, we're going to need a fire lane. We've already visited
with your staff about that. You will need a fire lane around this building. So that's what
you're seeing here. It will have some parallel on street parking, that's called ancillary. And we
again visited with staff on on that, in the mixed use zone. I mentioned this particular piece
here that will be parked in this multi-purpose garage. There's a lot of science here in the
sharing, you know, planning going forward is all about parking sharing as some cities
are literally abandoning parking requirements and kind of turning it back to the developers. Look,
just build what you need. We're not going to get in the business of this. Cities like austin and
fort worth have just literally zeroed out their parking requirements in their downtown areas. We know that won't work here, but sean, I don't think he mentioned this, but a lot of the
people coming to hotel carbon, they're going to be coming on busses. We still built enough parking places for everyone, but a lot of the patrons at hotel carbon will come in on busses,
last but not least, there was discussion a couple of weeks ago about the amount of units, we
understand from that discussion and from david and suzanne that you've got about 515 units left
in your, guidelines. So we'd like to split that amongst these two sites, it's a little low to
build an optimum multi-use multifamily parcel, but we'll spread that around and find the
developers that will do it again. All of this is finding an optimum count and curated mix
that makes the project durable. It's to no one's advantage to build a project here that is not
durable and then last but not least, on this page, codifying the maximum five stories or 60ft
from finished grade and that's to the top occupied floor, typically, another change. Let's
talk about this. There's been a lot of discussion about the water. I mentioned earlier that
this, all the infrastructure and the waterway would be crafted in the first phase, but we've
included verbiage or language here that the man made feature, in the approximate location of
the existing creek bed, will be sized to accommodate the proposed development. Rest assured it is to the applicant. As a landowner, it is to his advantage to develop this as
quickly as possible. There. There is no benefit to him carrying land that's no longer
in ag exemption. Once this is zoned commercial or mixed use, his carrying costs change. It is
to his advantage to build this out as quickly as possible. Trust me, we do this all over
north texas. No applicant wants his land to sit fallow any longer than absolutely necessary
. So. So we will continue beating the bushes to get that done, suzanne and david talked
about, some of the updates to the allowable uses that is in this list. I won't spend a lot
of time picking through those, david, unless there are any questions, I think you've already covered the farmers market. Again, this project is curated on purpose to have a
richness in it that doesn't exist in some of our bigger mixed use projects. I would love
to see a cute little farmers market in the middle of this village on saturday mornings. It's a great way to activate a retail space on saturday mornings. They tend to be
temporary. They kind of set up in the morning and they're gone by noon. But if we could have a
farmers market type thing, we think that's very appropriate for the brand of prosper. And
what what was built into some of the original images we showed you. Pet daycare. I'm not going
to comment on that. I don't know that we've got a business plan for that. Anyway, but anyway,
the, the farmers market and, the liquor license that was mentioned, the alcohol will be
managed so carefully. There's nothing more regulated in texas. Mixed use projects than than
alcohol sales. That said, it's also along with parking, kind of the lifeblood of these projects.
and that will be a separate channel that we need to work in with this applicant. Curating
the right liquor license. These are some of the images that you saw a couple of weeks ago. There
was a question about how do we know we're going to get that? We want to build this, but we've
also curated here at number eight some language that assures you, play off the historical
features throughout the town of prosper. And then as, development feels connected to
the town as a whole, modern elements and artistic suppression, just like hotel carbon, hotel carbon is a bit of a modern interpretation, but it's pragmatic, utilitarian
materials and that's the key for how we accomplish that. We want to see a cohesive vision
throughout the entire project. So I'm going to stop right there and park on this plan, because I
know you might have some questions and end our verbal presentation right there. So
really appreciate that review. So that that's kind of the end of your presentation this
evening. We got other graphics if questions questions come up okay. As far as you know
financial metrics and hotel population metrics, you know, kind of the science behind some
of this. Yeah. But we'll stop right there for any questions. No, I appreciate that. So back
to the commission. I think as we look, I know there's going to be a lot of questions coming from a
lot of different people this evening. And I don't know if it makes sense as we kind of go
through if, you know, commissioner harris, you have a bunch of questions, we say, hey,
it's your turn. You go through your list of questions. If we want to do that. I don't know
how many questions everyone has, but it might make it go a little quicker than us jumping around
and asking the applicant or the staff. So on this case, one thing, before we get into questions and this is for staff, I guess just kind of reiterate that, staff is recommending
approval of this case this evening and, and kind of do the justification of that approval.
you know, we talked about that in some of the work sessions. What any concerns y'all have about anything. But overall the benefit of this, this or that makes it worth approval. So
might explain that approval and how y'all came to that. Sure. Thank you, staff is recommending
approval, we find that the applicant, the application meets the guidelines. The dallas north
tollway that it is providing a mixed use development that will enhance, you know, it has
elements that are unique to it, to provide walkability and a family friendly environment, and
so, and, you know, in on april 23rd, we brought this to you with a recommendation of
approval as well. And then after hearing your comments, coordinating with the applicant,
we feel that they have addressed the different items of concern. And so we are continuing our
recommendation of approval. And did we have a summary slide in our packet that showed the
changes that there were some key bullet points. Here's what we had. The first phase that we saw this on april 23rd. And the changes like for example, I know what the cap is, what 515 on
multifamily now. But when we started this on april 23rd, where was that that number at?
it was at 500. It was what? Yes there was no particular. We had a cap of 500. You are correct.
the applicant indicated 500 in the meeting, though it was not in the, standards. It indicated
500 in the meeting. But what was the. It could go higher than that, right? Yeah. The
calculation that I had was like 800. But they at that meeting had confirmed that 500 would be
the cap, which I, I guess I was a little confused on the comment about 515 was a little bit low
when I thought in the meeting we were under five. We were at 500 at that meeting. Kind of what I
was thinking in relation to the market and the market. So maybe if there's a slide there, I just
want to see where we started and where we're at. Like kind of the yeah, there we go. That's what I
wanted right there. Perfect okay. So these were the main points of alterations. So added
a maximum number of residential units for the overall development being 515. Added lot
coverage of 45% to the multifamily zone that is already a standard for just general
multifamily district. But we wanted to clarify it in the in the standard, the minimum
dwelling area, was edited in order to remove efficiency units and then increase the minimum
unit size to 850, you can have one and two bedrooms and then a max 10% of any three bedrooms.
we the standards were modified, in order to ensure that the multifamily was a wrapped and on
their current plan and in the standards it says, you know, 75% shall be wrapped, and any,
exposed garage will have to be have a cladding and kind of look like a building and, and
disguise that doesn't look like a garage, removed specific examples for the multifamily
amenities, that was just in an effort to the applicant had indicated that there would be
upscaled amenities and then they just to have the flexibility of proposing those they will be
reviewed by the director whenever the application comes in, so, so another item that was
identified and modified was updated off street parking to account for the removal of
efficiency units. So ratios we didn't get into ratios initially with the standards, but we just
ensured that, that the efficiency units were removed updated permitted uses. And
we've kind of talked about that where I have a list here and in your packet of what was removed
and what was added both to permitted uses and the scp. We added a section about linking
the architectural elements in the mix within the mixed use zoned historical features
throughout the town. Prosper, as the applicant just indicated, added to the planting standards,
requirements for usable open space and trails and then added a second sentence in the
detention retention section that addressed the man made water feature. And that would be sized
to accommodate proposed development on both sides, as shown on the conceptual plan and
then updated phasing plan and you know, there were there were other text, little smaller text
amendments. You have a red line of the modifications. The intent really was to ensure that the
text described the pictures because that had been something that had been requested to make
sure. The images are in the are you talking about the facades? They are part of the windows.
yes, yes. So let me make sure I understand that. So those images that that were part exhibit f
and would have been part of the ordinance, but the language now matches, we're going to have
some historical features to, to tie those together, I can't think of any other ones
specifically to the architectural standards. Okay. And this goes to council when
their next meeting goes next week, may 28th. Next week. Next okay. So I think for a point of
process here this evening and it's random luck we can do this 1 or 2 ways. Commissioner
hamilton, we can start with you and work our way down with all the questions we may
individually have to try to keep it a little quicker, or just who wants to step up, because I'm
sure each of us have several questions or may or may not. And some of those may get answered
as we go through the process. So whoever wants to start off with their questions, I'd say you
have the floor. Let's go through the questions. You have, and then we'll go on whoever wants
to step up next. And we'll just do that because I know there will be a lot of comments. I'll
start off. I'm going to start off. You don't have to, but it could be anything. Okay. To
start off first, I just want to say, what a amazing job of updating the information in a
very short period of time in a week and a half or two week turnaround. It was a I was
actually really shocked at how much information had changed and how much they had listened to the comments from the joint work session, even though it wasn't specific to this project. They
they heard much of it. Most of the comments that I have are like little things about each
different section. So I'll, I'll, I'll just I'll just start, on some of my quick notes, on
page 57 where it talked about building heights and it talked about nine stories on off of
shawnee trail and 14 stories off of the rt, and this is for a mixed use, like the mixed use.
there's part of it that's in the middle of the development. So you have so is that nine stories
or is that 14 stories? If you want to pull up the map, you'll be able to see what I'm
referring to. I'll just say the intent was to ensure that that we have some residential zoning
on the, the west side of shawnee trail. So the intent was to ensure that, you know, that I
think initially the max height was just going to be 14 stories throughout the whole
development, and we wanted to ensure that that what was along shawnee trail was a little bit
less to just, to offset based on what the uses were on the west, which we definitely need to do,
is that middle structure section with that limit be nine stories, or would that be 14? I think
that could fall anywhere between nine and 14. So it's far enough away that it's not a line of
sight, issue for the housing that would be west of shawnee trail. I guess as far as height
there is no defined standard that says, okay, if you get 100ft off of shawnee trail, you
can have ten stories, but then another 100ft is 12 stories. And so it's just a range of 9 to 14,
so I believe that the center is would allow for that additional height. Okay all right, and then
I think we already addressed the, the 515 cap on the multifamily part, which, is, is
fine, on the mixed use zone, the items that were permitted within the, the list of, permitted.
yes. The when you have that big long list or the whole list, the whole list. Okay, there's a
couple of, that I guess I would either want to move to sup, or maybe remove just because I
don't see them fitting in with this caliber of project that we're doing, like, I don't I
don't physically see some of these happening, based on the caliber of this project coming
in. And there was three of them I had in general, which one was commercial commercial amusement
indoor, I guess I would like to move that to an sup. Possibly. You're talking behind me. I I
recall, that the intent was potentially for the, the lower right corner. So east corner of
the project to have maybe an indoor ski element. Yes. And I totally support that. I think
that's a great idea and I want to see that happen. But I guess leaving it where it is, it, it
it doesn't mean that that's what could go there. And so I'm only wanting to move it to an sup, to
have that further, like to make sure that this is something that happens because I think that's a
great idea and it would be a wonderful addition to this project, but I just want to have
that control, I guess. So that was one of my commentary to move that, the other two that I had
were furniture, home furniture and appliance. Where is that one? At antique shop and used
furniture? No, there's another one, number 18 furniture, 18 furniture, home furnishings and
appliance store, I was really wanting to remove that one. And the vet clinic with the kennel
inside, I'd maybe move that one to an sup. Just, we moved some of the other pet ones off, and
so, so, having a kennel in the middle, I guess I'm a little concerned about that. So I would
either want it moved to an sup or removed from those two items, either removed or put as an sup
that we'd have to approve them. Okay, so that's my commentary on the uses. On exhibit d on the
tollway, there's now like four cut ins versus two. And, my only concerns and I don't know what
kind of control we have on the d and t on those roads, but to make sure that we have,
dedicated lanes turning into the project versus just a opening, it looks like on it looks like
in some of these, it just looks like it's an a dedicated opening and not like a, a dedicated
lane. Yeah that, we did in reviewing the concept plan, we did make a determination that we
were not going to get into the finite details of ensuring that there was enough stacking and
that the, you know, everything met our standards, that. So we put a note on the plan and the
applicant was fine with that, just indicating that when this comes in, they will have to meet
all of the thoroughfare standards, just like they have to meet with the fire, etc. Okay
I just had that concern because I look at some existing things that we have across the town,
like earlier today discussion. And, that's a real concern when I see how people enter and exit
certain developments, okay. And the next, I guess, is the elephant in the room on, the
actual phasing of the entire project, I heard today that all the infrastructure will be done
at the beginning in phase one, but I don't remember that being noted in our in our, document
that we received. So I would I would definitely want that to be included into, any motion if
we're going to make one tonight to approve, I want to make sure that the infrastructure is put in, and then I guess I was having a hard time. It could be my visual is I know half of the
retail development was supposed to be coming through with phase one, but when I look at, like,
the color map of this, what I heard a lot of people discuss is that developer went on the
prosper trail side is real critical to the town, and we want that whole development to
come in earlier versus later, I, I personally would like that part included if possible, as
part of that first phase of development, and, I would feel more comfortable if we had more
of that retail, love everything about the hotel and all the description, everything about
hotel carbon, everything about that is beautiful on the tollway. And I if I had my way,
I guess I would, phase it a little bit differently and do the retail like I would do one
at the bottom and work my way up, whereas the office is still four and the multi family and
the top left is either phase 2 or 3. But I definitely would like to have, more of that
development around that water feature, developed, at the early phase just to know that it can
be developed. It will be developed and it will, look like this because if for any reason
at all, we're not able to develop this retail in the bottom, if they can't reclaim it
, it changes dramatically how this project could turn out. And so I feel like it's a critical
component to work through those details and have that part first. So I'm not opposed if
somebody wants to tweak it, but I would rather have phase one be the retail at the bottom and
work my way up on the development side, phase two being the rest of the hotels and
retail, phase three, the multifamily and phase four, the office. And and the only other
observation I had is that, the open space area that was in it was on the lower right where the
skate park was, and it was a bigger open space area around the hotels has moved up, and
it's a lot smaller, I don't know. Scale wise, if that has the same impact that it did in
the previous, version that we saw where it was seemed to be a much bigger open space area. So
that's those are my those are my call outs. Well, thank you. Thank you for going through
that. And thanks for stepping up and being the first one to go. And I appreciate your but I
appreciate all the changes they made. They did really amazing in my opinion. They did amazing job
listening to commentary and a lot of this is great. It's a very well defined area, very
good job. And so I don't know if the applicant or the town wants to address anything as we go
through these or just listen. I don't know what would be most effective to kind of capture
some of this and then come back, or we can do it one at a time if we. Absolutely. Yep. Because I
think what we're going to see as we go through through us this evening is some of this will get
redundant. We'll narrow it down as we work our way across. So I know sean wants to address his
his business plan for the. You said the daycare. Yeah okay. So on furniture this is where I
would plead with you. Be careful about what you limit the potential richness in the retail
here is cool little boutique furniture stores. You know, look, we're not doing we're not
doing massive big box here. That's not the intent. And it's frankly not the intent to do an
antique store because frankly, they don't bring a lot of rent. But if there are artisan stores
where they want to have custom made furniture pieces or things like that, that would be a
fantastic gift. As your leasing strategy goes. So we may need to talk about that a little more,
the indoor entertainment. Did you want to address that? Okay, I'll keep going on the parking
entries. Great question. We had the same question with staff. Commissioner hamilton, that
middle one is really just a back of house drive. And we talked with staff about how we can
limit that entry. Right behind dead center of the hotel, there's two docks back there,
and we have full intention of screening those. And we talked with david at length about what
the access of that drive would look like. But that's really just a back of house utility
entry. So you would not have. So really it's three drives of one on the north parcel and two into
hotel carbon. And the rest of the development, phasing. Well, I guess we could just talk all
night about that. We've spent so much time with developers and leasing people, advising us what
to do here. And again, as I mentioned earlier, krishna would love to build all this out on
day one. There is some utility and infrastructure work we've just got to get done with this
waterway, and that's going to take some time, but to build the retail first, commissioner
hamilton, you would get a different retail mix. If you did it first. It would be kind of
suburban, forgettable, fast food and things like that. That's not what we're curating here. We're
trying to build a build it and they will come type story. So allow us to get this thing up on
its feet with the infrastructure of the waterway, some built environment on the tollway side.
and that changes our discussion with leasing shops because they see them north texas is a is a
show me type leasing environment . But they have to see that you're building it. So work with
us on that, we didn't talk. I don't think as much about the retail and food and beverage
that's in the hotel carbon podium, along with that meeting facility, that's on the north
podium under the, the x02 tower and then under the podium of the hotel, there's quite a bit of
retail, dining and food and beverage type, you know, bars and things like that in that
podium. Now is that the final build out of retail? No. Absolutely not. The real money
in this is to be made for krishna and his team. On the ultimate development down in
phases two and three. So that's what we've spent a lot of time with developers and leasing
people, taking their council, not not not the least of which is we got to have some time to
build that waterway. And so if we can do that while we're building the hotel and the
multifamily further north, if you'll remember that prior diagram, the hotel carbon
complex is quite conveniently right outside the current wetlands. So that works out
really well for sean. Cover the I want to add to what can. Sorry I just wanted to add to what
barry said. We reached out to the biggest lesing agencies here due west, like lincoln,
everybody, right? Including the national guys. I have an email from them too, when I showed
them the concept, they said, hey, I can't lease these shops. I don't know if you'll build the
hotel. Can you build me a strip of 15,000? I'll lease it today. I have that email from west.
right. They said no, you. We are not leasing a strip. I don't want a subway or something there. Right. I want this curated. He said, no, you got to. You got to have hotel carbon
or you got to hotel have hotel was up and running before I can get you those nice ones. Right
so that's the challenge we had, right? Otherwise we could we could build a strip mall out
there. It will lease out tonight, that's the demand we have. But to. I just want to
plead on that. Right. We are not getting we'll not get the right tenants, but once they see it,
like, just imagine you're standing on the retail side and you see the hotel wars with all
the artistry, the fountains, the things and the mixed use and a movie theater, whatever those
are. It just really brings in like a highly curated, like much more experiential retail. And
that's that's what we've been hearing. So just sorry to wrap it up. 34 years as well. What is
, how this stuff works? Just a couple of things, I'm, I'm a data guy. Right. So I want you
to look at at numbers and 2020. Right. For obvious reasons, pet ownership went up 900% in the
united states. Petco will. You can research that there's two new airlines that fly dogs.
canine flights flies out of new york in san francisco. So adding other cities they fly around the
world flying dogs in a first class environment. We've moved from, pet friendly to pet
forward in the hotel business right. As a hotel guy, it's the number one searched item, pet
friendly. So we have a we have a concept that'll go down the street. That's that's called
lavender land. That is specific to dogs. So I would encourage you know, put it so that we come
and revisit it later. I'm okay with that. But the dog part of this thing is, is people are
obsessed with their dogs and it's an incredible amount of money and they bring them with
everywhere. I say that to my wife everywhere, right, frenchie? So the, the, the
notion that we have to come back, I'm good with that. But but let's not eliminate the dog
stuff, right. There's another one that you should probably look up is, gabriel, f I e t o s
he will, he's a guy that we're going after, and it's a it's a dog salon, and he'll. For $900.
that's right, $900. He turns your dog, paints it like a giraffe, all that kind of stuff.
so that's the kind of thing I hate to see. Sometimes you leave them overnight. Right? So I
would hate to say, like, take it out. Like, let's talk about it when it when it's time and I'm
okay. As to my point, I'm okay with moving those three to an scp where we're able to have
another viewpoint of it to make sure it is the right fit for the project. So that's that's fair,
that's really what I'm getting at versus just letting it by. Right. Thank you. Let me just
add one thing on that, commissioner hamilton. And I know you've been in the
trenches. I can tell for a long time doing this. So so the problem, the only hiccup or
reluctance we have on moving certain of these, like the indoor entertainment to suv is
that's effectively another zoning process for us. And that tenant. And they tend to go
where the path of least resistance is. We can do it if that's what you want. But I just
I want to talk about that as a community that it is a hindrance to some tenants. I hear what
you're saying. I, I think it's important to have the right indoor, amusement, so I do feel
like it's important for us to be able to look at that. That's just my personal opinion. I
could be I could be wrong. I'm just saying I love what you're doing, and I love what your
intent is, but on that, I feel like, we should have make sure that that's really what comes
through. Okay. So. Okay. All right. I think that's it. All good. And then we'll open it up.
we can go. Consecutive order. Commissioner harris, if you want to go next or whoever wants to.
it's we're all everybody's going to get their chance. So most of most of what I had I think the
only and again just to clarify that moving it to the specific use does not mean that you can't
do it. You can totally do it. It could be a very quick process unless I'm wrong. I mean, it
could be, you know, it would wouldn't even be noticed how quickly you can get it approved.
it just ensures that if something were to happen, maybe you sell and someone else comes
in, no one else could come in and just totally go off script, that's all. The only other issue
that I had was in the phasing, and I did hear your response. I still do have the, the one it
what the phasing as you described is not in the data. We have what we have here basically
says that the multifamily zone trail system, the hotel this is on page 82. That sort of breaks
down the phasing, it talks about the hotel, the garage, and the medical office tower. That's all
that's happening in phase one. All of the other things that you all mentioned, infrastructure,
future, portions of the retail, those things don't happen at all based on this. That would need
to be updated to, okay. I need I would also when you say infrastructure, are you only
talking about the, river because you say infrastructure for retail. But I'm curious as to
what. Right. What do you mean when you say you're mainly talking about your major
utilities, bringing them to the perimeter of the site, getting that set, getting rough, grading
set, it's going to take some time as you discuss tonight just to get the approvals for the
floodway. Or I shouldn't call it floodway because I don't think it is a floodway, but get that
creek sculpted and we're probably going to have some walls that need to be built
before it's filled. So get that built. But we've also got some rough grading that's going to be
a product of that. We're going to probably distribute some dirt to the site that's going to need
to be moved around. But then also the major utilities, storm sewer, things like that, that
need to be laid into the site. Mike, do you have any other things you want to add? So one,
one question to answer your thing. We want to make it as pad ready as possible given the
circumstances of what we work with engineering tomorrow. If we have, say, the corner, we want
to bring a legoland. Yeah, we can get it ready. Right? That's like an attraction. That's the
target we're going towards. We will try to make it as bad as possible. Its entire
infrastructure with the utilities, with the grading. We don't want to. Yeah. We don't want to shovel ready. Sorry. They can construct if somebody wants if somebody comes to your
town and says, hey, I want a restaurant here, we have the site ready for them to open in
six months. So that's how we'll be ready. If there's a tenant, that's the intent. Okay the, so.
yeah. So it sounds like it's just primarily, to support the, I don't I forgot the term that
we're using for it, butut just e waterway was just primarily to support that. And in and around
the waterway. Yes, exactly. So mike martini with spires engineering, 765 custer road,
plano. So, yes, I think the term infrastructure is very broad. Right. So I think we're trying
to get some clarity there. So typically on these phase type developments, we're doing, you
know, you have to do a lot up front to tee up the future phases. Right. So I think
krishna's point it's, you know, making sure everything's two and through the future phases to
where they can get released later without having to tear up all of phase one. That makes
sense. So the, you know, the floodplain, obviously to barry's point, you know, there's going
to be a lot of activity in there. There's going to be a lot of grading for the entire area.
so it's a lot of that teeing up for future phases. So currently outside of infrastructure, there
will be no retail added to. And I do see hotel with retail amenities, but I'm not really
including that in the phase one. There will be no retail included in phase one. In these changes,
the only thing that you're doing is infrastructure. As you've explained it, that's being added to phase one village retail, commissioner harris, is phase two. Just when we can get to it
in phase two and three. But there is how many square feet did you say in hotel party? Do
you want to jump in just for a second for square 104,500ft■!s n phase one of retail,
recreational, a restaurants, that whole thing. And I know we don't talk about it much, but
I'm spending $10 million in phase one for retail, for infrastructure, for retail. So
so that $10 million goes to putting the water in and saying to a great restaurant owner,
hey, you want that space? So that's kind of what our, our issue is, is we would love to
have the restaurants built because it creates critical mass right away. But all that retail
needs to be boarded up. You know that san antonio riverwalk feel right. And we got to build all
that. And that's that. That's an obligation that that krishna, you know, for us to buy the
land. He said, you've got to do the infrastructure. So that's where that cost is like the
retail. You see the hotel that's a conference that that's outside of hotel. The middle section
there's my mouse is outside of carbon right. There's podium retail in the under the medical
office. And hotel. Right. Those are people that walk in. They don't have to go into the hotel.
there's a playing field here, and there's a conference center here in the middle connecting here, which is similar to the start, but there's a lot of retail in these ground floors as
well. Right? So it's just not people. It's not only inside what the language is, but it's
the entire complex with the with the with the podium kind of thing. So okay, all right.
that's it for in terms of questions, I have some comments later. But hey, thanks to mr.
harris, I appreciate that. Commissioner clarkson. I'll jump in, a I would say for sure you
guys have done a phenomenal job listening, reacting, I think being very, fair and balanced
with what, where you've been able to give you have to protect the integrity of your, your
development. But I think you're trying to do it within the spirit of what we like here and
prosper. And so I think it's important to note, appreciate that. I think all of us will
echo that, and that helps us get to a yes a lot quicker. Right. So let's be honest, so, so big,
big wins. I think the wrap is a significantly better solution. I know it's more cost prohibitive,
but I think that's a good thing, I think the, the minimum on grade parking is a very
positive. I personally love the phase for office. I don't think we're there ready for a ten
story office in prosper yet, but you don't want to not have that when you want it. And you can go
drive through frisco and see some examples or plano and see some examples of that, so I like
that. That's phase four. That doesn't bother me. I think that'll be a good thing at the
right time, which is a good which is positive, you know, one thing I think that the that most
of the commissioners, everyone's hung up on the phasing, but I think, maybe, maybe if you could
speak to, would there be any concession or thought to possibly putting two and three
together into one phase where we could? I understand the intent of phase one. It makes sense how
you just describe it. But, or at least talk to why are those broken apart? Because it feels
like phase three naturally goes before phase two and the flow. But talk through the phases in
just a second, barry. If you don't, if you don't mind, and maybe consider if those would a
couple comments on the water just to well, you want to go ahead and talk through that. Do
you want to go ahead and talk through the phasing real quick. And then I'll come back. Let me
let me address one thing. You did say because we've not talked enough about it. And I apologize
for that. Actually, in phase three, the bottom left corner of the neighborhood village, there
is boutique office on floors two and three. Above this, this building right here, if you
drive down windrose at legacy west and look on the east side, there's two and three and four
stories of boutique office above that retail podium. We find that that lease is really well for
creative class co-working type tenants, and we think once the vibe is right here and really
cooking, there will be a tremendous demand for that professional service, creative
class type boutique office in this village. You will have people in prosper that want to
have their family office there, because it's a cool place to be, right? So I think we should
remember that there is office there in that bottom corner. And yes, affiliated with the, the
hotel carbon and xa2 tower. If we could bring in some, you know, 3 or 4 floors of office to
be there as well. And, you know, we could even do a lot of different formats there on the
phasing. And we've had a lot of discussions about this depending on who you talk to, whether it's
a contractor or a developer, the first thing the contractor is going to go to is the logistics.
well how do I stage this? Where do I store, you know, how do I get this thing built. So they
always kind of want to work their way out of the site. But it's a really great point. And
again, I can tell you I've been doing this a long time. I think it's possible. I'm I'm going to
speak before krishna, who's been making deals. Hopefully I'm going to speak before he does. I
think from a retail perspective, if we could somehow include this , I'm going to point this core.
it's always what I call the urban core of the project. If we could include that with what's
built down here in phase three, that would be a great thing to combine. The problem with what
you're asking is that would sort of delay that. So look, there's I think there's a lot of
different ways we could draw these lines. And depending on how the development partners come together, a lot of this could happen a lot faster or, you know, you never know what's
going to happen with the hotels. Yeah you know, I'm noticing on here that the, the wedding venue
is not in blue. It should be. So if because the wedding venue is south of the water. Right. And
it needs to be with bows. Right. So I agree with you that maybe we can grab some of those. What
I would hate to do is say yes right. To be that guy that wants to say yes and then turn around
and lincoln say to us, what are you doing? Right. So maybe some of that could be specifically
the chapel, and we'll try to get snowbourn to the right. But but I'd like it to still be an
option if we could. Yeah, yeah, just to add. Right. Not to beat it, but some of the things that
we, when we spoke to contractor, they said, hey, I need access to this middle section. Are you building walls first or are you building this retail and multifamily. Right. If you build
this they can access from here. But they said if you close this out, there's no way I can access
this part once carbon is live. Right there were logistics like that that we were working
through. And I know sean, this had to be blue, but we are absolutely ready to go together.
some sections at least. Right. This this front portion at least gives access to because there's
retail in the mixed use, so that's that's absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. The to your point, if
you're putting the infrastructure in and one of my, one of my future comments is going to be just we need to really define that. I think your comments really valid of what's
infrastructure a I think the waterway in some shape or form is really part of phase one, as
you've described is definitely not not captured there. So we would do that, and I think if
you put the waterway in then you don't have access on that top side anyway. So yeah, you're
right. Different opinion. But but it's absolutely true. The waterway is the value here.
that's the added value. Otherwise it's just a 35 acre platform site I think to
commissioner hamilton's point, you know, I, I appreciate what you're describing in, in, carbon
and kind of the retail on the side. But to me until this thing really has its life and it's all
three phases, that's a very internal facing retail. I don't see a lot of folks necessarily
driving here, because there's just not enough yet until you get the mass for the rest. So I,
I think that's whenever commissioner, I'll speak for him . But I think the concerns as we
described last meeting and this is when you don't have the retail, you're not gaining any
value into prosper. You're getting residual value, but you're not gaining amenity
value. I know there's a couple residents here that spoke last time and they're really excited
about that retail. We understand the concept there, but I don't know that it quite sells as well
because to me it's really good for maybe the multifamily and maybe for the tenants or your
your small office that's in the medical office. But I think that's why there's so much
focus. The purple brings a lot of value for the five and ten mile radius that you've
described in preference. Yes the experience value did one question on the water. We kind
of went back and forth is the concept for this to be a constant constant level. So it's
going to look like a pond. That's going to have to be right. Yeah. Okay and there's a
lot of reasons. One of which is and I'm I'm the experienced guy. So I'm going to address this.
you don't want to drive ditch sitting there that you're selling to you know outdoor dining right. So you can go up and down the tollway and look at a few different developments
where they do have constant, you know, constant level of water retention ponds. You don't want
to detention pond, you want a retention pond. So we're going to probably have to drop that
level a little bit, but then allow for the flood overflow to be up at kind of the level of
the culvert. Right now there's a lot of there's a lot of hydrology and science that still needs to be done on that, but it's going to take artistry to yeah, I think there we thought
that was the case, but I think a comment was made earlier that maybe it wasn't going to be
constant level. So I just want to clarify that if you look at it right now I think the
word he used was ephemeral, it's just a dry low spot that floods when there's a heavy rain event.
you would not want to put outdoor dining next to that. And I think a positive just to note,
because it kind of got lost. But you describe a lot of hike and bike. There's a fair amount of
obvious outdoor open space, and I kind of think we glossed over it because we love hotel carbon
and want to get to all. Yeah, we get distracted right. I think a good note just for the
commission to think through is that's not in our parks master plan. So it's a big positive for the area. And I think if you're in a resident across the street, you want to go on a five mile
run or something, you know, and go get a smoothie or at your fancy smoothie place that you're
going to build. But, I think that's a really important fact that's maybe lost in some of the
detail here, that you're adding a big amenity of parks, and I can bike and trail, albeit lost
in a, in a multifamily or mixed use project, that's a good amenity for the area.
absolutely. We want as much of that network coming here as possible, commissioner carson,
one of the residents, when we spoke to one of the neighborhood, they said, hey,
can we drive our golf carts? Can you create parking for our golf carts? We want to drive in a
golf cart and, you know. Yeah when you said that the town just issued guidance on that last
week because I read the town emails, I think that's all I've got for now. I might I reserve
my right to come back. I wasn't at the, the last, work session with you guys, so maybe so. So I
appreciate everything you put into it, I echo my fellow commissioners that have
presented, I was really hoping to see something come back with the retail and phase one, that
was just where we left off at the meeting, so that was that probably be my. I'm not going to
reiterate every last one of these, but these are some smart guys that I sit across from on
both sides. So I'm gonna just echo them. Thanks, commissioner jackson, commissioner blansett.
I think I missed last, last time. We're going to start on your side next time. I have to
say that. And I always forget. Commissioner hamilton. Hopefully we made it easier for you. Right
okay, so, some of the, some of my questions are maybe just clarifications or things that
you've already said and, and one is, again, I want to go back to the, the waterway, the
infrastructure, all that we're talking about. I just want to make sure I understand what
you're planning on doing, that you're planning on fixing the waterway to hold water and to
have the water features to be able to add the water features to it, I guess. Right and as a
part of the initial phasing. Right. And that work is the kind of work that's going to require,
approval from the town and fema and the corps, army corps of engineers. Sure that's going to
start that whole process from on day one. And basically, is that correct? Okay. So we would know
then, you know, we would be getting approval of those things from the fema and everybody in
early in the process of the development. This yeah, you'd have to have all those approvals
before anyone could draw for a building permit or okay. So okay. And that's that's always
been one of the big concerns is to making, making sure that that what is said so much of this
property of the retail park that we're especially interested in here, is in floodplain just to
making sure that that's currently built so that that helps that helps a little bit on
that. I, you know, I will go back to the phasing. I know we've talked about phasing a
whole lot. One of the things that I wish I, you know, granted, I understand the I
understand the financial aspects and retail and that you need these other features in there.
what I, what I, what I would really like to see though is not have the apartments in phase
one. What I really what I really like to see is at least in terms of a compromise, that core
element that you're talking about, that, that be part of phase one, build that with the
medical office and the hotel and leave the apartments for a later, later phase. And that way
that you're getting some multifamily in that core development, but you're also
giving us a lot of retail there. And so it seems to me that that might be I don't know if that's
a possibility. It's just one idea to kind of compromise. Getting some multifamily that I
know. I understand your need for multifamily, but my concern about having phase one be done
and then something happened. You can't proceed. We're stuck with a bunch of apartments at a very
nice hotel, but we're just stuck with apartments that without a much retail, let's say,
accessory. I don't know, is that even a possibility? Is that even have anything up your sleeve?
you could start it. It's a good suggestion, but the problem is this. This gets landlocked.
that's the problem we had. We went through all these, what if conditions, and this if you
start this in the hotel, this, this, this all this will be landlocked, with this
infrastructure. And that was the only reason it was phased in a way where this is like
standalone. It has access from shawnee trail or from d and t and then it's connected enough
to the hotel so people can walk. Walk here we increase those walk abilities and things like that. And to your point, right, there's some retail here and also commissioned cars and also
made some comments. We could I don't know, I'm just talking on behalf of gary and the engineer.
sorry, barry and the engineers here. We could possibly do this without, you know, creating any land locking here, we could do the frontage, probably depending on, how how the infrastructure
goes in. Right. So we're not opposed to if, as I said, I, we want to do retail all day
because it's ready to be leased. It's just like, how do we do it in a way that it doesn't happen,
that, hey, walls cannot be built or, or this, this cannot be built. So that's the same thing
we're saying. Hey, what if we open this sit down restaurants and there's like a lot of heavy
duty construction going behind it, that was the questions we had, right? Like, you know, people don't want to sit and eat in a construction and dust. Right? We can build it, but
it'll it'll go unleased or once you get a bad rap. That was our biggest fear, honestly, talking
to gensler and everything, when something goes bad, it's you. You get stuck with that label that, hey, it's not there. There's like a lot of construction behind it. So those
were the things that we looked around and I know we gave them free hand basically. Right. It's
not it's not me or like, it's like the logistics of the construction, the development of
this. Nothing it's as you can tell, it's agonizing for us because we want it all built at
once. There are some logistics of phasing your way in and out of this project. From a
construction perspective, commissioner blanchett, what I see and I think maybe, mr.
jackson, you may have mentioned this. I can't remember if you mentioned this is combining these phases. I, I can almost see this this center urban core needing to be built with this.
now, unfortunately, that pushes it to phase three. But maybe this becomes phase two after you
get the waterway built. Because this urban core here to sean's point, is really integral to
what happens with the event venue coming across to this experience center. And then
maybe we work our way out this way in phase three with the vo's and hotels. Again, I know sean's
got plans for these events. This event center to be activating hotels. So those are some things
we need to work through just as a development team. This is something we say in our studio
all the time, because it's not uncommon for clients to come and say, we want retail everywhere,
and the first thing we'll say to them is, great. How many for lease signs do you want, if you
over build the retail here, it's going to be loaded with for lease signs and that's none of
our advantages, and that's kind of what krishna was getting at, is if we do this and it launches
wrong, it's really hard to undo that. In the sociology of the catchment. So that's why we're
pleading with you to let us work through the deal making, which could happen quickly and the and
the proper market phasing. I mean, I was I mentioned the last time I was on your side of the
dais for eight years in richardson and it's it is a natural act to want to put
triggers to protect the city on this, this sometimes those arbitrary triggers can really
work against you in the long run. So we get some of them and we've responded to a lot of your
requests. But on the phasing, we're really going to have to be careful about how we do this.
okay, understood. Yeah. That's great. Any, the other question I had, you mentioned the medical
office there. The hotel that is the first level is retail or retail spaces. I don't I don't
recall where in the documentation it says that. And I it may be there I don't know.
staff may have to help me find that. But if it's not, could we can we add that as a requirement
. We did commit to that. It's there, and the medic, I was just looking for it here. I'm sorry
to be distracted. It it is. It's a different it's a different one. That's fine, that's fine.
distracted we are building that. Both of those in the same component to the model. Because
they, you know, they have that same cost. So the blue at the top, let me go to one more. To
add the same. Yeah slide two or slide three. There we go. Yeah. So that's the text tower that
that's what we're talking about. So the two towers, that is the enterprise and four floors.
yeah, that's four floors of, outpatient medical, and workout. So this is kind of a little bit
more detail than what's shown in suzanne's ordinance. Bullet points with that does not show
what I understood you to say a while ago is that there was retail stores. Yeah. You got
retail restaurants, and then the total square footage is at the bottom there. So it's the
esports center retail operations , the three restaurants, recovery performance. Well,
those are under. The that's under the list of the hotel card. And I'm talking about the
bottom, the exo tower. I thought you said. Yeah. Exo is on the right. Exo two tower. Yeah. So
all of that's phase one. All of those coming up at the same time. My question though is
there retail space in the first at the in the first floor of that episode two tower. We, we
haven't programed it, but there's four floors that are outpatient medical and retail.
but I, I can't say in earnest that it's yet it's two floors of it. I but there is retail. Yes
but I'm sorry I don't have a script. Okay. And I guess my only concern was that I thought
you said that I didn't remember. I don't remember seeing that there was retail in that
location in the wording. Even what you just showed me. There is that office. Did you say so?
commissioner glenn said, this is this is a very concept, kind of, test fit that you can see here
on the podium of hotel carbon. This is a lot of food service here in the restaurants on this
side. But this is not the latest plan. So I just want to show you how on this ground floor, how
this stuff arranges and then once you get up to the upper levels, you start seeing these
medical suites. And this podium isn't the same shape as what's on your other exhibit. We wanted
to just have this in our appendix in case these questions came up. You can see the track
here that goes around uses. These are very early concept bubble diagrams okay. And then
so the again the infrastructure work that you're talking about on the water way and stuff is as
part of phase one needs to be added into the wording of this. So yeah if that's what. Yeah. If
that's what you need. All right. I that's all my comments and questions other than the
comments that again say it's all right. I appreciate the work you've done and how you tried to
respond to not not every applicant tries to respond to all the things that they've
heard and we've done that. So I appreciate thank you very much. We've been burning the midnight
oil. So thank you. Can you go back to slide two? The original the site master plan that that
had the phases on it, you talk about this one. Yep yeah. There you go. Is there any reason why
down here where you we have the phasing spelled out. Once you get to phase two, you don't have
any trigger on when you're going to do phase 3 or 4. Well, you talk about the timing. Yeah we
spent a lot of time talking about this yesterday morning, we've seen some of your other
zoning cases go all the way out to 20, 48. We wouldn't even consider bringing you a timeline
that goes to 20. No, no, I just mean, like. Yeah. Phase two says it starts at the beginning of
50% of phase one. When is phase three going to start? The beginning of what, in phase two
or phase four? When is that going to start within phase three timing. Yeah basically we
were thinking the phase two and phase three, we can just see we can combine based on the
logistics of the construction. For example. And just like if, like if we get the chapel in the
retail section, if you get the hotel rose, we might have to combine a little bit of phase
three into phase two. So we just didn't put a timeline to it, but it they could be just
immediately after that based on when those gets how is I was glad the slide came back up
because earlier when it was presented it flipped through really fast and I noticed it. But then we started talking about other stuff. So I was glad this came back because that's
the clarity. It was just a little more clarity. Yeah, but think of these two phases in a
way based on everything we've talked about almost. This is this is where we get in trouble with numbers. But you could do two a and two b. You know, these are really kind of following one
another. But it depends on deal making and how the market responds. And you know we put
phases one two, three, four. But you could term them a lot of different ways, we had timelines
on at one point we gave one promise to the image we had and they now they 20, 28 or
something. We looked at each other like, we can't put that on. There we go. So we this is
what we wound up with, you know, our commitment to go as fast as possible. Yeah. And we did not
want to put a futuristic timeline just for the thing of it and say, hey, 2025, 30, 40.
we just said, hey, we want to do it all, so that's the reason there's like interlinkage, I
understand. I was just looking at more of the beginning at 50% of phase one, that phase three
would say it to be at the beginning of 25% of phase two. I don't that's just I, I just, I
just yeah, it was just more of a question of why why it wasn't there construction. Okay. It's
more construction logistics I appreciate it, but we have like a go ahead for the entire thing
basically. Right. And sean, we have a good partner in sean. He's his team is ready to fund
the entire carbon and bows and everything. But they need the logistics on how it's going to
be built. That's that's about so a couple of timing questions. You just kind of brought up the
parking garage in the middle. Is that for carbon as well as mixed multifamily. Yeah quite honestly
that garage is going to be overbuilt in the interim phase because it's also serving other
hotels and multifamily. That's a that's a got to get it built for a hotel. Carver. So in the in
the standards it talks I mean I don't I'm not looking at parking counts or anything. But if
you're building it for carbon and you're building it for the retail multifamily and
presumably the hotel to your point, you're going to way over build that garage on day one.
there again, that's the incentive to keep going. Yeah, yeah. When you go 10 million in
in the middle of you have to go, you got to get cash going. So I mean, have you done a
preliminary study of how big that garage needs to be right now? We think it's probably
grade plus four. Okay, if we could get it down smaller, we will. There's a lot of work that
needs to be done in design with staff, but we think in grade plus four, maybe grade plus
three. See, when we move the multifamily to the top to structured parking, wrap, that
took a lot of parking load out of that garage, which is a good thing for that garage because it
was getting pretty tall at grade plus six, and that was right up against your cap for height.
that was kind of where I was. So in the standards, I noticed there was a cap on height of
parking garage, and it also ties it to like that can't be higher than the surrounding building.
so I don't know what that retail multifamily if that podium if you're still thinking that's like a podium plus 3 or 4 or how big that multi is in the middle. Oh, and I don't know if applies
because it's not a wrap okay. It's probably it's probably podium. Plus three on one side
and four on the other. Okay so do you anticipate that garage being higher than that podium? I
don't know that it's a problem, but definitely I think tie it where you can't. Yeah okay. This
is this is as you can see this is a tremendous puzzle that we've got to solve, but from a
placemaking perspective, we want to keep that garage, you know, clad to hide it a little bit and
make it an integral part of the. So I think it talks in the, in the development standards about
the cladding on that garage. It talks about the wrap garage for sure. I was trying to go through
a lot of information, but do we have a cladding requirement on the standalone garage? Okay. A
height requirement. Do we have a cladding requirement like, you know, if you go at some. Yeah.
it can't just be a raw parking garage and then go ahead. You want to jump in, just you
mentioned earlier about not being able to develop all the retail in phase three before you
are able to show a potential client the vision or, you know, building out the other stuff.
couldn't you? Why couldn't you build all of the structures around it? So, you know, you got
I know you mentioned the reception facility could be added to phase two. Why couldn't
that be part of phase one? Why couldn't some of the other structures that you have around
it be part of phase one? So some of the pathways and some of the other art waterway is so, so
affected by the current water, flood plain. Well, I'm talking about, at the very bottom. So
all the things coming off of prosper trail, maybe anything that's on that, that little,
roundabout that you've got at the corner of the tollway and prosper trail, you know, some of
these without the structures that are bordering the water, but just all of the things that
don't involve someone going into. Couldn't you just build all of that stuff and just don't
put a don't put the restaurants here? Yeah, all of it. No because it goes right from one
and then you work your way out. But we're we're here talking about can we get to the chapel
to the event center with the three bridges. Right. Need the bridges. We're all trying to
solve it right now to go from east to west. Right. But it wouldn't go from south to north.
no, it can't east to west. Because the only thing I'm wondering is if you could just
build everything but the retail locations themselves. I mean, for I don't have the in my
packet, I don't have the design that you had for the, the actual how it's supposed to look. But
if you built everything except for the retail locations, everything, the walkways, the, the, the art, the everything and built it out. So the only thing that was missing was for you to
input that. And if you could do that in, in phase one, I don't. Well I can save it for when we
get to comments. But that's the only question that I had is like, why is that? Why is that
not doable? In phase one we are doing in phase one, we're doing the walkways and everything. And
for example, to barry's point, if we could do the retail and office here at this corner, we
would do it right, because it's already because the office doesn't need like for whatever I just don't think you're going to like it. Yeah. It's just not it's not what you think it's
going to be. But the other walkways, the all around, the infrastructure around this, that's all going in phase one, it's at the earliest. It can be phase two because of the
waterway infrastructure. We've got to get that that that waterway constructed, before any
of that could go in. And you could build those little out buildings at the corner of
prosper and shawnee. But it's not going to be. It's not going to have the energy and vibe you
think it's going to be kind of like center square. Once you get to that center square. Now, is
that the library space? Right. That is that that's a cool spot. There's a cinema on one side.
there's a retail. I mean, that's, that's that's really a great place. And then there's a
walkway to. Because there's a lot of retail in this center space. It's all this could be
phase two. Yeah. We can get to the you've got to clear the waterway first. So it's the
reception facility part of now phase two. I'm sorry. Just to keep track of my notes, we're
saying, okay, cut this thing in half. If you drew a line north south through it, you could make
the blue in the purple part of your face, too. So those other two retail would be part of
phase two, or was that bottom right one, the indoor amusement place, part of phase one? None
of it can be phase one because it's in the floodway, right? If you remember the blue line. Yeah
yeah. All of that area is affected by that. So we've got to clear that. But I think you
said generally timing, you've got about a year to kind of get that figured out right from your
design for carbon and everything else to be ready to break ground, start scraping the
ground. Yes but it'll probably take every bit of that on this. Yeah, a lot of approvals and
design work that has to happen. I think the design could go quicker probably if you had
skin. I do have a yeah. Sorry sorry I had to I did have a question kind of tied because I
know what the most unpopular thing in this whole entire diagram is. And that's that top
left, corner right. And we get why it's there and we understand it, or I think we do. I do, I
think the concern that it's been expressed from some folks, not necessarily up here, just in the
, in prosper is how do we how do we tie that to carbon appropriately. And I'm going to
say legally, whatever we can do. But to where? Let's just say I don't think you're going away,
but let's just say something happens and this goes away. You sell off the multi apartments,
get built out in the middle of a field and nothing ever comes behind it. I don't think we my
opinion is not to go so extreme to push it in its own phase. I don't think that's good for the
development. I think people in the development is really key to the development happening. But is there a I'm just more of a collaborative discussion with you? Is there a way to tie that
to carbon, where you can't get a co on multifamily without the co on carbon, or somehow reasonably
not trying to encumber you, but just where we can go to prosper and say, look, yes, we're giving
them multi but we're also getting development, an amazing hotel amenity. Yeah yeah that's
my somebody I never met this I want to but I, I guess I have a lot of cash. So you're asking a
lender to attach his money to the performance of a third party. And that kills every
deal. We have a zoning case going on as we speak in richardson right now, that we
got a trigger approved on two years ago, and for student housing would you think next to
utd would just roll right. And even the lending around student housing collapsed because it was
attached to the performance of a third party. So now that applicant is retrying to redo
his zoning two years later. So that's two years that the students lost two years. The
city lost in appraisals. So that's the risk of triggers that are attached to coe's
commissioner carson, maybe the solution to that of getting what you want is maybe adding another
phase and phase one, be the medical office conference center, hotel carbon, all of
that that, you know, we're very strong on and making the multifamily in the top left.
phase two because it's probably going to happen right at the very quickly thereafter. So the
one will happen, which is what your goal is, and then make that multifamily in the top left
phase two. And then you know, the rest of the phase thing would continue. Commissioner
hamilton, if I may comment on that. We thought through that, and the only reason we're doing
multifamily along with carbon is, carbon needed people to activate. Right? It's supposed
to be a ten mile catchment. They need it like any. We looked at your pereira and other projects
as well. There's always some component of residential that gets activated for carbon. It was this multifamily that activates there. They wanted the multifamily to go right. These
guys to come in and eat there or whatever membership, whatever those are. So that was the reason they were going in together, and, and I think, sean, you can add in there. So
that's, that's that I said, I even said to our partner, our financial partner who will be
here next week, why don't we do the multifamily? Let's at the same time and he's like, you're
a hotel guy, stay in your lane. That's right. This is the guy. So it's so important that we
have a professional side that does that. But we need those thousand humans, you know, to
come and activate the gym, the restaurants. It's going to be five, five. Miles wide to really
activate all the retail here. But it helps if there's an established community here. It's
really seeding the ground for future expansion. In just devil's advocate, how do you
prevent what I just described from happening? Like, what do I go tell my neighbors when they
say, wow, you guys approved more multi that's going to get built without a hotel? I don't
personally feel that's going to happen. I feel like the hotels got more momentum frankly, than the multi probably. But well how do we how do we address that. I'll tell you I have multifamily
in my studio and building private multifamily right now is tough because of lending. Sean has the lending for the hotel, which is unusual, and a blessing. So the hotel I mean,
right now, if it was going tomorrow, the hotel is going to go up. It's going up first. You
don't have a there's no deal with anybody for the multifamily. Correct? We don't have an hour. But this phasing is going to have a sub phasing if you will. So right now I mean
the hotel's going to go up. And the deal has not been made on any multifamily. Correct. Like
the hotels go ready to go the multifamily is there for them to activate when we get the right
fit. And the right fit, the multifamily will go up right. But this is you from our finance
group. They say these things. Where are these things? Where? Where is the land? How do we
know it's the same way, right? How do we know we have them? So there saying the same thing you
are, we make sure that, but see the issue from our standpoint and I appreciate your issue. And
that's why you're sitting on like you mentioned. That's why you guys are on that side and
we're on this side. You know, there's a whole lot of trust us in the presentation. There's a
whole lot of trust us. The only thing that you will be bound to do is what's in writing. Right.
and the only thing that will be in writing technically is what's in phase one. That's the only
thing that we can really and really, it's what's built first in phase one. Truthfully. Right.
so if you decide to build this hotel and take seven years to build a multifamily, the
understanding that is tied and I get all of that, but there's nothing that we there's nothing
we can do. If you decide to build phase one and not do any other phase for another 20
years, there is nothing we can do without writing, without anything down. And you don't
have anything in your in your plan that ties anything to the things that we care about. At
the top of our list, which are the retail. And if you were to do any of that, if you and trust
me, I but trust me, I believe. There you go. Yeah full circle. There we go. I understand that
you have a vision. I, you know, I could sit here and we could all sit here and counter some of
your concerns. You say, well, we want to sell a vision, which you're going to get it early on.
is suburban retail. And we're not going to be able to give you the type of retail. And we can
counter, well, why not? Why can't you sell a future retailer on the same vision you're
selling us on? You've got the presentation. If you sat in front of some of the top and
they are they are around there, right there. You don't have to drive far to find them and sit
and show them what you've shown us. You don't think they would want to buy into this, especially knowing, well, that's what I'm saying. So. So we could do that all day. But for us, we
have had history with people coming in, getting, giving a selling a dream which it doesn't
mean that it's not going to happen. And then deciding to walk away and selling that to someone else. We you could easily come in and get approval for the multifamily like we
said, and not do anything, and then sell it to somebody in 6 or 7 years. Right. So that's why
we're so adamant on getting things in writing. If you really, really are committed to
doing it. Wonderful. Well, let's let's put something in there that hooks us to it. And the
retail is important. I I see that math that we can come to an agreement on. Okay. Could I ask
you a question? I know you need the multifamily and I know that's a big part of it. So the
multifamily in the top left is, a max of 338 units, you know, and the mixed use is a max of
350 units. So you are only going to get either a max of 338 if you built that. So why couldn't
we build the multifamily. That's with the retail. That's over by the that's next to hotel carbon
in that area. As a earlier I guess as a compromise. No, the problem with this is this is
like standalone with access, with shawnee trail and I think easy to construct all access.
this is like a kind of landlocked. We need to get this thing going. We are getting this
infrastructure going and to build this up along with carbon was what we were told logistically is difficult. So we went diagonally, say we get the garage, we get carbon on dmt, we
get this here, that was the original, thing we had, doing this was like getting, like
really logistically difficult otherwise it's the same, right? It's like 300 units versus 200
units. We could have. Yeah, I just I guess it's because it's so close in proximity to it. It
would have a more. It seems like it's a more reasonable connection to hotel carbon than
the multifamily in the top left, which all of us seem to have the same concern about the
multifamily getting built and everything else. I mean, I feel like the hotel carbon is going
to be first, but that multifamily get built and it could just be an island. Well, maybe let's maybe let's simplify. I 100% agree just just an idea. I kind of like your
face. I'm going to take barry's phase one a and one b approach. I think I said that backward or
I think I encumbered it too much earlier when I said tying it to co, but could we would you be
open to tying a trigger of a building permit for multifamily tied to a the start of carbon.
so you would have to start carbon before you could start multi as soon as I start the
same then you're off the path. You don't have to finish one if that helps you get comfortable
with it. We can probably make that work. And let me layer in some color commentary here. I
have multifamily in my studio at gensler, and almost every single project at multifamily project
we have is on hold. Student housing is booming on campus, off campus. Okay, but lending is
really stalled on multifamily now. A year ago, two years ago, you probably had multifamily
guys standing in line here, because lending was flowing fast . I was just sidebar with
krishna back here, I think you might actually, especially now that this is a wrap product.
there are not rents in this part of frisco for that building. It'll take some time to get
there. So you may have kind of a natural phasing on the multifamily here for appraisal
purposes. I'm sure your city manager would love to get it sooner rather than later. Right.
and christian is incentivized to get it done sooner than later. But it's tough in on that dirt
to build a route product. I mean, I've talked to for multifamily clients I have trying to get them interested in it, and they're like, nope, I'll do surface park, but I can't get
rents for multifamily in that part of prosper. So I think you've got some natural phasing
built in here that we're going to have to swim upstream against. But it sounds like it's
within reason. Perhaps that building starts on the hotel. You get a building permit, and
that would have to happen before the multifamily. It sounds like just a natural progression. It
sounds like that's what you're doing anyway. It's probably going to happen, you know, just putting in writing. And then I think, yeah, it flows through to the next phase of meetings that
will happen. So and during the last session we had last time you guys were in front of us
here when you talked about the multifamily, you talked about it being more for folks from
salina, from all these surrounding areas coming in. And take it now, you're saying that
it's going to be hard to do because because multifamily is down, but you are in prosper.
this is this does have prosper. Isd think it's the number one isd in the stadium moving here,
probably for the same reason. And so I'm hearing conflicting. I'm a sales guy, so I that's
just what I do. Well let's talk about that. Yeah so I did have a pretty good discussion a couple
of weeks ago about who would be coming to this project. Yes, it is. I think there might have
been some confusion, who's coming to this project? Is a lot of people within a 20 mile
catchment. Okay. That's the retail village, the movie theater, the wedding venue. The
people that are coming to that are from probably a 15 to 20 mile catchment. We've run the five top psychographics that will be coming to this project. Who lives in the multifamily.
and I want to I want to clarify this from a couple of weeks ago. Who who lives in this
multifamily, we think is that urban young I mean, the young, educated professional that's
who's probably going to be living in there might be some couples, these are one and two
bedroom units. The majority of them are going to be one bedrooms. It's not they're not
catering to families in that multifamily. And you need that housing type in prosper. But as
a as a project you're going to be drawing people from all across your city, hopefully up
from plano and frisco, down from salina, you'll have people coming across 380 from mckinney,
richardson, allen. So if we do our job here, they'll be coming from all over because it's
different than the luxury offering at legacy west and fields west. And what is
happening at gates of prosper. You've got a differentiated curation here that's going to be really important. With. The movements of this. I turned it off. They won't be moving into
all of this. They'll be moving into a multifamily facility that really has, none of those other
things for another, what, five years? 4 or 5 years before all of those other retail amenities
and all that other stuff is built, I think. I mean, you'll have the, the medical facility,
but outside of that, you are I mean, is your intention to attract those young urban
professionals to, within the first three, four years of the multifamily of this phase one
development's existence? No, I think last time we discussed to, commissioner jackson was saying,
right, some of the attractions were like, hey, baylor goes online, right? This baylor at
pga, that's like this young urban professionals that need an apartment. So we did comps on
all of that. Right. What's the comps of rented gates of prosper? When we changed it to
structure, the rents went up. And that was one of the challenge we had. But they would
come like maybe one b'zz commissioner was saying, maybe it's a phase one b for
multifamily, earlier it was like surface park probably rents would be in the 1600 range. Now
it'll be 2000 range because we have a garage. It increased the cost. Each car park is like
20,000. So it's like your cost increases, the rents increase. So in that terms that's where
we'll not have a catchment too far away. But we'll still have like young people working in a
hospital that's opening up in salina methodist or whatever is opening in salina and nt and
right, or the new pga near the pga, the new baylor opens. Right. All these health care
professionals, those need to stay in this community. Right? 15, 20 minutes. That's the
target we have. And this offers like a good mix of they might not have kids. They half of them
might not care about isd, but half of them might care about isd. If they have kids and they
still want to live in a one bedroom or two bedroom, but the thing is, like carbon will be
the lifestyle thing for them, right? I'm a fitness freak. I have to go up, get to the gym and go to work, right there, part of the carbon lifestyle, that's that's the target we're
going. And eventually, as we start this, the next phases will get activated, right? Phase two is beginning 50% of phase one. Like phase two, there's a lot of retail theater and all of that.
it's coming along, right. We can just color code some of this blue, like with the reception
facility and some of these blue, the right side here, I don't know if you see my mouse, but
that's that's there. So it's. Yeah and honestly, once, if we all do our job and build this,
it will drive rents in the northern parts of this project. You know, the rents in these
mixed use, we have empirical data that shows rents in inactivated mixed use projects
is higher. So that's part of the finance and economics behind doing this, I do think if you
guys are okay with it, we could pencil in a one, a1b, and then maybe commissioner carson, I'm
not sure who suggested this. We may need to flip the colors on two and three and try to build
the east side with this theater core. The reception, this retail over here. Maybe this becomes
phase two a and this becomes two b. So let's talk about that. Two.a. Because, we haven't
there's two things I wanted to talk about that we really haven't talked a lot about.
number one, the conference and convention center. We see that there. What we haven't really
talked about that a lot. Maybe the first go around we did. How many people does that bring in.
kind of explain what that looks like what the size is. The second part of my question is
the retail, which would be the I think the indoor ski facility is what's been discussed in the
past, which would be the southeast corner and looking where it's at, and I'm looking
at where traffic will be, because that seems like if that's as cool as it sounds
like, that's going to draw people there. So what I'm trying to do to understand your side is
how do we get the retail we want, manage this multifamily and get people there because if
that's as cool as it sounds, I think people are going to flock there and then I don't know what
the convention part of this brings either. So maybe kind of walk through that a little bit. Yeah. So the convention center does two things. It's 8000ft■!s. The main ballroom is 8000ft■!s.
so, just looking at how many people that, that fits. Right. So stand up is about 12ft■!s per
person. So you can do that math. Sit down is around 24ft■!s per person. So the idea is that it's
a super high tech, conference convention built in, a technology. Right. So you could
do a, you could do an esports thing and, you know, ryan gephardt wants to be able to,
simulcast operations at, at baylor scott and white. So it's a high res, that sort of thing.
so that's how we're trying to drive that, that business. And there's a time when athletes and
teams book and they book six, eight months out. Right. And they're already booked. So
there's a period where we open and they've already booked somewhere else. We want that convention business. So that's that's what we're doing to fill our gaps. Right. And that's why
we add the esports. Those esports are they want to be around traditional athletes, but
they also will make a decision to come to a big event that quick so we can get them one
off. Right. So that's that's the reason for that. The bottom section, the retail, we have two
things to go there. One is called snow barn right. And that's that indoor ski area. The
other one's the lego idea. The difficulty with that is they've got to have access to it. And
there's the whole lay down for the rest of the construction happening. Right. And the
waterway has to be in place for that lower retail to be in. I want to do that. I I mean, I
would love for that blue to be sort of a diagonal across there, to be I, I'm worried about the
hotel. I mean, that the hotel on the left is called vose. Right? That's the 80 all suite hotel.
it's expensive. Right yeah. I mean, that's that's the cream of the crop that can't open with
dirt. You know, that's got to be. And you're booking those events, right? So you you build
a you build the facility on the other side, which is about a million bucks, a million and a
half. And then there's no place for people to stay, to have a wedding or you walk through a construction zone. I'm with you. I want to build both at the same time because we think we're
about 104 weddings twice a week for that facility. So I want to build it as soon as I can. But
but when you get married and you walk across the bridge, it can't be yellow tape. Yeah one other
quick pointer to, commissioner carson and, we could potentially one of the. I know we have been
looking at some of your concerns. We could do a1a and one b for like, you know, the carbon would be one a, so it'll start construction and then only we'll start multifamily. Only we
could break up. That'll address most of the concerns because one a you're getting all the
conference and everything. Right. You're seeing that carbon has started before. And the
creek like all infrastructure is done. Creek is done. It's almost ready. I know, commissioner
harris earlier was saying it's bad. Ready if you get a if you if you get somebody, we'll build
it. We want to build it right. If you get somebody, we'll build it. But we'll have the creek
ready and all of this ready. We make one a, for carbon and the expo two tower and the retail
and everything that comes with carbon and outdoor recreation, and the parking garage. And one b would be the multi-family. Would that would that address some of your concern that, hey,
we'll because that should pretty much because I'm trying to do everything that I don't want to
lose carbon to some other town or city here. Right, as a landowner, I'm doing everything
to make sure it fits in. And we are pleading with you, prosper, to just make sure you help us
and rethink. How are you read how are you're, allocating phase two and three again? Were you
drawing a straight line down or were you leaving it the same? No. It could be. It's a little
fluid. Two and three. One one. You're clear on one. Right like we'll have a1a with carbon and zero two here. And then one b would be the north south. Sorry. North west multifamily garage
and infrastructure and the infrastructure and everything. I have to say something money wise
. I mean, so we just we just moved from multifamily being pushed back, but I'm still
building the parking garage and all the infrastructure. How do I know I'm going to be respectful
to you? How do I know you're not multifamily? Because I'm just building 900? No, it's like the.
yeah but it goes both ways. Right. Like we're in this together. It would be in the
zoning. That's how you would know. I mean yeah it's part of this. We're we're approving the
if we're changing the zoning then that's how you. Yeah it should all be there. Yeah. Yeah.
we're we're trying to work through the phasing to accommodate what you want and
what we also want as a town. So that's why we're having a lot of dialog. It seems like I'm here.
we're in good shape on this one a and one a, one b. That should address some of the concerns.
the rest of it though, we've had a lot of dialog. And I guess if one of us is going to make a
motion, I just want to understand, like the blue and the purple, the phase two and three, how have you adjusted that? So this reception, commissioner has this reception
facility could be part of the two, because when this whole area comes in, there's like, you
know, thousands of square foot of retail, there's a theater and retail. Would that be from the
reception facility to the right? Is that. Yeah, this could be. Yeah, exactly. Right. Like here
we could we could adjust this. Right. So if there is somebody if we get an awesome tenant here
that's coming in, we could just bring them in right away. Right. Again, we are doing
infrastructure in phase one anyway. We'll be ready for it I think to clarify on one a, one b
to look out for you a little. My was suggesting only you have broken ground on carbon. Yeah.
and then you're triggered and you're good. I think earlier I said co and I don't think you
can. That's not the right in government. I think the trigger is just as long as you've
started then you can go full tilt on multi. I think that would address. Yeah. Because I
think that's fair. That's what y'all have been talking about all night. Okay. So, mike the
engineer and I were collaborating back here and I'm going to I'm going to see if I
can draw on this. Suzanne, I can't help myself. So this. Oh, boy, oh, boy. Wow. This effect.
yeah. You speak to a new level now. Can y'all see that? Yep, yep. All right. We could see
that. So this becomes phase two. That's what I thought okay. That's why that's why I was
asking for clarification for if somebody wants a reception without loss boasts. Excuse me.
yeah it's not ideal, but it's eventually got to get there quick. And again, he's
incentivized to get this done because the wedding venue doesn't reach its peak
activation until they have a hotel. They can stay in. But again, if you include food, all
of this infrastructure here is part of phase one, right. And so when we say infrastructure, it's
all the engineering for the water and all the walkways, everything to get anybody across that water feature. Right. It's probably everything five feet back from the wall. Mr. Chairman
, because the restaurateurs, for instance, they're going to want to curate their own decks and walks. We're going through this at panther island in fort worth right now, so, sean, I'm going
to keep sketching here. So this is one a with the deck. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, doodling
now. Yeah. Now you now you etch a sketch. Everything is blue. You gotta change colors. Yeah.
oh. Okay, there you go. All right. I can I can change color. Mostly online. Well, you won't
be able to see it. You won't be able to see it as property commissioner. Yeah. Where's the
rest? And I'm listening. And I'm. And I'm completely losing. It helps me, by the way, when,
when we can come to a real estate, schedule outside schedule, then it. In a weird
way, it helps me to push the funding. That's already. As long as it's not too like starting
tomorrow. Although we'd love for you to start it all tomorrow, because everyone would love for
this to be developed. So so again, this I'm going to try to try to draw a, a enough lines
here that we kind of see something percolating to the top. So you got one a, one b
this become sorry the creek and infrastructure is part of 1b1a. And then this shape here which
has two entries. This is what mike and I were talking about. If you're going to build the
facility in the retail and this retail, we're still going to need fire lines. So you'll have
this drive and this drive and this parking will serve the reception facility. So again, this is a huge leverage investment. And then this will be phase three right here.
that's smaller. Can you. Yeah. Can you do this really quick for me barry. How about this. Use
the red outline. Because we're going to have to put this into a motion. And there's not going to
we're good. We know he he drew good lines. Hang on. Don't make him do it again. I didn't tell
him to erase it at all. I know, but I was saying was I'm good. I'm good with where I was asking
him to do was to. I did not ask you to. I'm good with where he did it, drew it. That's the
least of my issues. But how are you going to get paid to be able to write down. Right. Here we
go. Yeah. That one I'm not able to see right now. Let's go back to blue. I think we can make it
pretty good. I think we're ready to do. It's going to be a long motion, but it's not. It's
pretty simple. It's baseline. Yeah all right. So there's your phase one a. This is hard to do
with a mouse. You guys stick with me. So there's your one a you see that. Yep yep yep. All
right one b well I tried red and we couldn't see it. Let's do this. Okay. So this will be one
b which can start as soon as they get foundation I think you had something. Yeah. Well, when,
when the building permit started on the hotel convention center, medical office, and, I guess
parking garage. So you get all that building permit, then you'd have a trigger. A trigger? Yeah,
but a building permit. So you. Doesn't mean it's completed, right? It means it's just under
construction. So we know the hotel and all that's going to be there. Okay, let me use this
color now, which is not going to be visible with the black. So we'll do black. Okay. Here we
go. So this is phase. Phase. It's all done. It's called a system program. So we can
definitely clean this up. On the line. So that. And then last but not least, let me do this. Oh,
look at that. Wow all right. And then this fat line here. Oh my god, that is so much better.
that's why we have staff with us tonight. And that's your final phase right there. I think that
works logistically, let me go back. And is this guy. Yeah, it will be. This is the first time
I've ever drawn in front of a planning commission. I want to say that so you guys are amazing
, you're good at covering kindergarten? Well he's. Well, he's, clarifying for us on. Make
sure I say it right. Votes on votes in the. I got a couple guideline. Just writing
questions. How do we qualify what the kind of the qualitative side of those is? I mean, we
just kind of say hotel. It's a pretty broad term, but. Policy, okay. And it's, savior on the
cross section of music. Art. So the, you know, is the lobby has, is glassed in, and so you're
seeing the way you're seeing the face, you're seeing the chocolate, all that sort of stuff. If it goes for a wedding. But it's also there's a there's a rooftop cocktail lounge. Great
place to watch. And then. So how do we how do we capture that? Because right now our the, the
writing of development standard is literally just hotel. Yeah. We will more than happy to use
our language that's what. Also or I don't know the right answer to the question, but like a four
star hotel, can we. I'm playing. I'm playing devil's advocate again. Say they've changed their
mind. They sell it. And then we get a three story stucco. So holiday inn. But they're using,
there is a, a physical description of the four star hotel. So I'd be fine with. I
mean, is that reasonable? Maybe not. Let's not. Let's not over describe it. You're in a wave
type box, but can we just give it? Is that is that a reasonable all bound? That's what I mean.
we're able to we're able to specify the, the tier of hotel. No I'm saying, not just in their
specific but if they were to sell and someone else will come in, we're able to say that no
one can build anything other than a four star hotel in this place. That's the zoning that
we're. It'd be similar to what we did with the extended stay using the ho2. And so this would
have the paragraph tied to it. Okay how's that look? As a schematic we create a building
permit on this data like it's good. No way to get one a to go down and get that southeast
corner as. Well we got to do we got to do the floodway stuff first. Yeah that's true. Yeah it
could be a one day. One. See. 13 okay. One I'm going to keep keep moving. I have two other
questions probably for our team more than okay. Let's clarify that you may want the
development guidelines for mixed use. This is going to be very specific. So you might want to
look at it. This is just a clarification more than for staff. Probably so just one
quick comment on chairman here to touch anything on the south of it, our engineer, like mike
can confirm we need all the fire lanes and all the infrastructure going just so this. There's no
way we can just get a small piece of it, because we have to get these entries. This parking
and all of two points, and that's that's a challenge. So I'm going to make. All right. So
5.2.3. Yeah. So you guys can be impressed. That's fine. It talks about this is probably a simple
add. I don't think the applicant will care. But it talks about stucco. Yes. And this really
pertains as much to the one b. And well really in the mixed use piece would be the hotel is what
I'm kind of thinking. But, sorry, I'm trying to. I scrolled and I lost my place. Can we just
simply add, is it reasonable to add. Sorry, let me get to it. 5.2.3. Okay let's talk about
this. The 10% is down low and it increases as you go. We don't typically want stucco down lower
because you don't want it within reach. And then as we go higher up into the building, I think it
says 30% on the second and third stories, maximum 50% on four story and above. I'm okay with
that as written. What I would love to add up above. In number two we talk about fiber cement.
oh, okay. I'm sorry, can we qualify on three stucco or fiber cement? Just like this okay. So
basically it's trying to incur when you talk about a primary material up above it says fiber
cement and brick. Well any good developer and builder is going to not pay the premium of brick
when they can do fiber cement. So it would encourage a little higher quality material on the
primary component, and it would limit the less expensive materials or the less appealing
materials of stucco and fiber cement. So you want to remove fiber cement and leave it as,
brick or stucco, I would remove fiber cement from two two and add it in three. So you could
use it because it makes sense in multifamily and some of those others on upper floors. You look
at a lot of urban residential, as you get closer to the city of dallas, you see a lot of really
cool stuff in the parking channel, which is what it is treated like a wet sperm. Is
that cool to be used? So I know I know the designers quite a lot. I want to, I wouldn't
prescribe not using it, I would just say limit it to the same as the stucco. Okay. I think that's
a fair point. I just think it keep it encourages the use of the, you know, the panel, the
metal panels, the brick, some, you know, a little bit nicer material. Yeah, yeah, I know
it's kind of in the weeds, but it's everything. It is true. And I know you're going to wrestle
with this as a city as you continue the commercial development, the maturity and
quality improvements of the next generation is really nice. You know, 20 years, ten years ago,
you would have seen multifamily coming back, but, you know, waterproofing stuff is happening
. But I mean, if that makes you feel comfortable, that is a lot of material for us. We probably
I think these came out of the original intent of that verbiage. And we added it. It
was edited. Yeah, pretty significantly. But yeah, we were just trying to align it with
what the multifamily developers are. But I mean, we don't do a lot of partnership on the ground
floor, especially on what you see is if you look at these predominant, you see how
vertical they other side be more mature. But I think at this point another easy one, this
one's easier g point. 1.8. So it's at the top of page 93. So it's about outdoor amenities.
this happens to be a random .1. Very random one I know. But it starts the minimum of six.
amenities will be provided in the open space. Right. No we struck the amenities from oh,
this is in okay. I'm sorry. So this is within a reasonable constraints. And what was the
question? Well so my general question is I love about half of these I think are appropriate
what I would call an amenity, fitness station, decorative pavement, benches. I do not
think of those as amenities. And, and I'm and I'm kind of somebody actually made a comment
and I noticed this at the gates. This I don't know how it's written, so I don't want to it's
per what's approved. But if you're going to have amenities, they should be something that
provide real value to your to your user. I think the fitness stations are great, shade
structures are great, pergolas sport courts, fire pits, water features, all that's great.
that's that's what I would define as amenity benches and decorative pavement do not feel
like amenities. And if you particularly go to the gates there's like no benches anywhere
, and so like I said, another citizen happened to complain about it. And then once you
notice it, you can't ever look past it. So I might if you, if I know it seems meaningful or
meaningless, but you're only giving six for the whole thing anyway, I have a feeling naturally you're going to probably do more. Like a point eight is all about, you know.
yeah. Any other similar recommendations? We have been. We have landscape architects,
separate tables. Loves to talk to us. But again, that's that's something that. And so the
benching I do think it's important to not apologize for that because I would argue there
should be a lot more, but that's probably getting more. Yeah, I'm probably and I'll just chime in
a little bit. I think, you know, if the plan were to come in with like 2 or 3 benches, you know,
the director evaluate that and it's like, okay, let's do a little bit more. Let's enhance
that and have like seating areas. You know, I, I'm not going to speak for david, but,
but, you know, areas of decorative pavement might not be just a little strip here and
there, but it's like a real nice paved area that does. Well, you know, in a congregating there.
yeah. That was the thought behind it. So super in the weeds. But go to gloria's and I
bet you would qualify that as decorative paving and benches. And it's very, very poor for the
facility that again, I can't look past it now, but what are you asking? It's not a gensler
design. What are you asking for the change to be just this and three out. Take two and three
out. Yeah, I think they're going to provide benches and decorative pavement for the esthetic of the quality of the project. But I just don't think those should be considered
amenities. Does anyone any does anyone have anything else. Otherwise we
could make a motion. Yeah I think all of that. Yes. All right. We do have one thing we
need to clarify. Yeah. Actually, if you if you remember the illustrative presentation from a
couple of weeks ago, this parcel here in the northern part of phase three, has two hotel
concepts. It is those in this tiered building right here in the back, and then you've got
these, pods around fire pits called paco. That is kind of next generation, hotel pods. So
you don't want those classified as a for sure? Yeah, they're they're app driven luxury pod
hotels, but they're not four star, right. They're they they fall under those. You have to go
through the front desk to vote and all that stuff. But I mean, it's complimentary, but it's not
, you know, a 400 square foot room. I promise it's still so what kind of rent I mean, not
rent. What kind of. What's that rent for or nightly rate on that? I guess what I'm asking
about 80, 85% of the other hotels in the area. So it moves up and down based on it's all
app driven, right? So you look at your app and you can say, oh, I'll take that tonight. I'm good
with that. And how many of those units are there. There's 60 there. Yeah. And how would you
like that to be described as far as a motion to make sure that we're representing that
correctly. Oh, the language is here. Yeah and we also have the interiors. It's you know, it's
also a patented product from us. So you see here but I've got close enough. Arrows getting
close fully. There you go. I think we're good. We're just asking. I guess I'm looking more
for the language. The language to make sure that it's listed correctly in the motion, luxury
high hotel. Complimentary towards the language. I like these overseas buildings because
that was one of the criteria that goes through the front desk. Approved yeah. It will be
connected towards it will not be like me owning a part there or something like that. Right. So
it's part of the hotel. Okay. Luxury hotel pod. Okay. Would you say driven second hotel is
luxury pod hotel complementary to the four star bose hotel? Are you going to make. I just wrote
that down. I think, commissioner hamilton. That's what I'm trying to get to. All all these things
clarified so we can make a motion. So are we ready? Are you making a motion? I'll make a
motion as soon as I have all the feedback from everyone else. And then you guys can correct if there's you probably got good notes though the phasing. Right. But I mean, is there anyone have
any other feedback before I make a motion? I guess I think if you make a motion, we'll see what
grows. Okay. And by all means feel free to add anything. I, I have missed on my notes. I'd
like to make a motion to approve a regular agenda item number four. So subject to staff
comments plus the following changes, you're going to have to move back to that, phasing. I'm
sorry. That's going to help me make sure I get it right. Phasing is going to be adjusted,
phasing phase one a will include the infrastructure. Plus, the medical office, hotel,
conference center, convention center, hotel with retail amenities on the east side of
the project closest to the dallas parkway, including the parking garage for one a, one b
will be the multifamily in the north west quadrant phase two would be the, mixed use retail
multifamily theater, plus, the reception facility, retail on the south east quadrant phase
three will be, the hotel plus retail on the far west side of the project. The hotel in phase
three will include a, four star, four, star diamond hotel, and the second hotel will include
luxury pods that will be complimentary to the four diamond hotel. That is that we
know it as, hotel parkto both. And hakka and hakka. Hakka and also, additional updates to
section 5.2.3. In the mixed use, removing fiber cement from number two and adding it to
number three. And then, under g .1.8 on page 93, striking two and three out. And I would like
to also move, the three items, to an sup. That would be the commercial amusement indoor,
facility furniture home furnishing and appliance store and the vet clinic kennel inside
move them to an sup versus approved by right. Did I miss anything? Do you need to have a
trigger to go from one a to one b? Did you add did you add phase four, did I miss that? Oh, phase
four stays the same as office, so there wasn't a change. But you named all the others, so it
was the same with office? Yes. Okay. And the trigger for one, for one b is that one a, needs
to get started, construction started building permits. Somebody get that typed up. All
right, all right. We have a motion on the floor from commissioner hamilton. Do we
have a second to his motion? And nice job, commissioner hamilton. Great work. I was expecting a
lot. Quite the. I'll second that. Looks like somebody seconded it. Then we have a
second. Commissioner carson. So all those in favor of approving regular agenda? Item number
four, subject to commissioner hamilton's motion, please raise your hand. We got one, two,
three, four, five. In favor? Do we have any opposed? And one opposed? Commissioner jackson
opposed, item four. So regular agenda, item number fourfo pass. Congratulations thank you
gentlemen. Now thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate all y'all's work and appreciate suzanne, david, the whole team, what everybody's done and really appreciate you guys. Yeah. Good
job good collaboration. It's a collaboration and good work. And I really appreciate y'all
walking through the answers because you can see a lot that you know you're going to stand
by your word. Yeah. And you know we have a lot of people come through here. You've been on pnc
before. You know how it is. And so yeah, we look forward to it and have a council next week. So
very good. Well thank you all very much. Good luck council. Good luck council next week. Oh
no. Alright. Next item up this evening. Regular agenda item number five review actions taken
by the town council and possibly direct town staff to schedule topics for discussion at a
future meeting. Okay. For the previous town council items on tuesday, may
the 14th for consent agenda was just our notice of appeals, which is just any preliminary
site plan and site plan that you appeal goes to town council or that you approve goes to town
council, and they can move to appeal it or not, and they can appeal any of those site plans
are approved, for the upcoming town council agenda for the 28th consent agenda will be that same
notice of appeals. That's standard for every consent agenda for town council, and then on the regular agenda will be that pd that we just, approved tonight, for upcoming
pnc, the work session will go back to, 530, and then on the regular agenda, we've got for,
pisd schools that are putting temporary buildings on their site, that are going to be
regular instead of consent, that's bright elementary, stuber elementary, hall elementary and
rushing middle school, and then we have a drone ordinance as well. That will be a zoning
case, and that is all that we have upcoming. All right. Well, thank you all very much for that
review. Any questions for the quarry this evening? I will not be at june 4th. Fire okay.
thanks for that date. We could have tried this meal plan out tonight, but that's well as it
turned out, I want to go back and spend another 30 minutes back eating. But, quick couple
of minutes. Let's talk about food, we've got, a couple of options if we, set up something,
for instance, we keep doing the workshops and start them at 5 or 530. You know, we could start
them at five. And to get here when you can get here. So to speak. And, and if we do
something like that, then we can have food here at about 5:00 to where, when you get here, you
can grab something to, to eat. If we do something like that gives us a little more
versatility as far as what we can bring, because you'll be eating it here. We don't have to
worry about packaging it up to take it home so we could get, you know, the serving trays of
italian food, you know, fajitas, any, any number of things like that with all the goodies that
come with it. If we do something later on a night where it's all consent and you may or may not
be out of here and, you know, 3 to 5 minutes, depending on what comes off the consent and
discussions and so forth, we could get something that you'd be able to take with you, but
that would be a different kind of be more, you know, something from, I'll just subway or other
and that's kind of what that, that, examples of what you have on that sheet or things because
that way they're individually wrapped. You can grab them and take it with you, and you don't
have to hang around for another 30 minutes. But there you're probably ready to go home. So
those are kind of the two options, and there's also if for some reason we don't have a
workshop or, odd occasions, so to speak, we can contact, chair daniel and tell him what we're
doing and what we're thinking. And you can make the decision about which way to go, what type
of food, because that if it's just consent items and we do have the workshop, you know, you
may not want something either way. You might just say, forget it, you know, or go to go home
and eat with family or whatever. So we can just make those decisions on on the fridays,
once we know what the agenda is going to be. So if those options work for y'all, great. You don't
have to do anything. We're just eat whatever's here. Thank you. Appreciate that very much. So
yeah we appreciate all y'all's work on this case. I mean I think I know y'all had to do a
lot of extra work to get this last one really well. Appreciate everything. I appreciate the time y'all spend on it. I know there's a lot of reading. I understand that, so I appreciate
the work that y'all did not only vote on food as if it's a short meeting. I don't think we
should. Yeah. If it's consent agenda, yeah. Just say vote talking about it. That's fine.
oh sorry. If you're doing the food, if it's delivered at five and you come in I because we
don't know what a short meeting, what sorts of meetings can actually be true. So there may
not be anymore. You know to me it's best the easiest way is just here at five. You can come
and get here or not and eat beforehand and then that's. Yeah, let's just do that chick
fil a, the sandwich shop, all that stuff y'all had in the past , it's all been good. Or try it.
do one different every week. Whatever you like. Yeah, yeah, I think if it's here, people will
be happy. So I think variety is good. They can always go upstairs to the same thing every
time. But no I appreciate that experiment. Yeah. Try out a new places. Yeah, yeah. See what's
going on. I'm on. Move as long. Item six. Move to adjourn to have a motion to adjourn. Got a
motion, commissioner jackson, second. Second. Commissioner hamilton. Harris. All those in
favor? We are adjourned. 6 to