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There we are on the record. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. It is Tuesday, September

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the 8th, 2026, 6 p.m. calling this meeting to order. Please stand for the pledge.

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The pledge is to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it

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stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you

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for joining us ladies and gentlemen clerk Jackie can you do roll call please council member Mercer, your council member Jenkins, your council member Cortes, council member Sanchez, your council member Lucano, your council member Beckin, council member Kellogg,

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All.

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City administrator. Shaw here.

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I got scared. Okay. City attorney. Good one.

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Yeah. Building official. All's very here.

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Finance director. Yoast here. Police Chief Marcus.

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Public Works director groom here.

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Public Works assistant director Coleman here.

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Mayor. We're all here.

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Thank you, Jackie. Council, I'm seeking a motion to approve the agenda.

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If you approve the agenda.

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Second.

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Second.

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Second.

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To approve the agenda. All those in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed, same sign. Thank you.

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We do not listen to participation.

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we're moving on to item number six, Mayor and City Council reports, and I may we start with you.

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Anything?

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Okay.

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Cap.

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Good night, thank you.

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Steve.

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That says I kind of disappointed in our parade.

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It seemed like I'm short.

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Can you pull your microphone down?

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Maybe I don't want you to hear me.

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Well, I would love to hear you, sir.

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a little disappointed in our parade. It seemed like it was awful short and if we hadn't had

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20 plus fire trucks in there, they would have been a real short parade. Also, where were the

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pooper scoopers?

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Still there. Road is being cleaned up by the chamber we are told today and tomorrow.

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It's all been squished into the road by now.

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That's all I had.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Really?

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Well, I enjoyed the parade short though it was, and there was a lot of fire trucks and

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the sound really hurt people's ears.

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I can't imagine wearing hearing aids and having those.

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Anyway, it was a nice parade, and I was glad to see some of us in the parade, Mr. Jenkins.

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Anyway, that's all.

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I just wanted to extend my thanks to Rachel and Marty.

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There was a grant opportunity that came up through the Mid-Columbia Forestry Council

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to cover the full cost of removal of mature tree and need of removal.

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And they additionally will offer the replanting of up to three trees to replace that mature

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So Rachel and Marty moved on identifying a candidate tree very, very quickly and submitting

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the information for it.

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It was a very time sensitive grant.

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I think everything needs to be in by this Friday.

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But it looks like it's going to happen.

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I just spoke with them this afternoon.

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And it looks like everything is good to go.

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So thank you for moving on that so quickly.

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And I think it will result in five figures of savings for the city.

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Thank you. Thank you, Marissa. And Marty and Rachel? No, nothing. I don't have anything for

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this evening either. So let's move on to item number. Well, actually we do have two proclamations.

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You and we have two guests here to receive that. We do have two guests and we're going to start with

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Debbie and fetal alcohol spectrum disorder awareness month, and Rachel just to let you know, Debbie and I already did the photo opportunity with Jackie.

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Okay.

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And our proclamation reads, as such, whereas fetal alcohol spectrum diseases, F-A-S-D affect as many as one in 20 school aged children in the United States,

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can lead to lifelong challenges in communication, cognitive growth, and daily functioning, and

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whereas FAST is a preventable condition caused by prenatal alcohol exposure, yet thousands of

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individuals and families live with its effects every day and deserve access to reliable information,

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compassion, compassionate support, appropriate services, and understanding within our communities

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and whereas with FASD may experience individuals with FASD may experience mental health, emotional

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regulation, sensory processing and other brain-based challenges making compassionate individual, individualized

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support essential and whereas behaviors can communicate unmet needs or reflect brain-based

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differences, emphasizing understanding accommodation and support rather than judgment or stigma

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and whereas early identification, coordinated medical, mental health, educational and community

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Community sports can improve outcomes and help individuals with FASD thrive and, whereas,

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expanding research community education and cross-agency collaboration is essential to improving

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prevention efforts, strengthening advocacy, reducing stigma, and ensuring individuals

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with FASD can thrive throughout their lifespan with dignity and opportunity.

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Now, therefore be it resolved that I, Gary V. Garmaire of the City of Brasger, Washington

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and the City Council do hereby proclaim September 26th to be fetal alcohol spectrum disorder

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awareness month and September 9th, 2026 as FASD Awareness Day and encourage our community

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to promote awareness, prevention, understanding, inclusion, and compassionate support for

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individuals and families affected by FASD.

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I just wanted to say a few words about FASD that many of you may not know.

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It is the largest developmental disability in the world.

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One in seven pregnancies is affected by alcohol.

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The stats on that proclamation are actually inaccurate.

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Now, they've been updated to one in 14 people are affected by an FASD, so we all know

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somebody that has FASD.

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And I wanted to share just thank you.

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This comes with a trigger warning because it ties into suicide and mental health issues

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as well.

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And I have my sense permission to share this.

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So a big trigger warning here.

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My son Wyatt, who I adopted when he was four months old, is a single man living with an FSD.

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His birth mother drank only four drinks before she knew she was pregnant, yet he is highly affected.

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He lives in poverty, his vulnerable through to his brain differences,

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and was sexually assaulted because someone lured him away from his employment on his break from his job

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up as he shared his sports card collection on social media group and he's very trusting.

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The following day started a downward mental health cycle of suicide attempts and virtually

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no supporter help from anyone.

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He recently spent six weeks in Sacred Heart Hospital Psych overflow ward which was a whole

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other horror in itself.

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He desperately wants to heal and have a part-time job again either working with dogs, he's

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a skilled dog handler or in another grocery store he used to work at Yokes in Kenwak as

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he loves to help people and give them one of them his contagious smiles.

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And that's just a nugget of one of millions of people all across the world.

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There's 18 million in the U.S. alone with an FSD but only about 1% of those are diagnosed

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because of misinformation, stigma, etc.

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So thank you everybody.

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It's good to see Debbie. Best wishes to Wyatt and thank you.

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Have another

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Proclamation. And this is regarding National Suicide Prevention Awareness Month.

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And the Proclamation reads as such.

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Whereas September is National Suicide Prevention Awareness Month.

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And whereas the World Health Organization states that suicide is a serious public health problem.

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However, suicides are preventable with timely evidence based and often low-cost interventions,

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and whereas information on suicide prevention and treatment are especially important given

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the challenging times we are living in, which according to the Center of Disease Control

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has led to an increase in mental illnesses, including anxiety and depression and individuals,

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and whereas everyone should have access to high-quality intervention mental health services and

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treatments in hopes of improved mental health and whereas normalizing conversations around mental health

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and suicide provides safe and constructive environments for individuals to discuss their feelings,

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symptoms, plans, diagnoses and treatment without fear of judgment by others.

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and whereas, it is essential that we learn how we can help others in our community by

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recognizing the signs of suicide identification knowing the questions to ask and knowing the

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national and regional resources available to refer individuals to and whereas recognizing

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the impact that mental illness and suicide has on the loved ones in our community is imperative.

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Now, therefore it be resolved that I Gary V. Arminger, the City of Prosper Washington and

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the City Council do hereby proclaim September 2026 as Suicide Prevention Awareness Month

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for the City of Prosper, and urge all citizens to play a role in suicide prevention and promoting

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mental wellness in our community.

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We have genesis here from foster thrive to accept the proclamation and say a few words.

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Okay.

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Yes, so just very briefly.

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Suicide prevention is something that is very personal to me because I lost an uncle to suicide.

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So that loss is a reminder of why these conversations matter in why we can't be afraid to talk about mental health.

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And the work that we do during suicide prevention month is about more than just bringing awareness.

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It's about making sure our students and families in our community as a whole know that they are not alone.

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That asking for help is okay and that there is always someone willing to listen.

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If what we do helps even one person feel seen, supported, or hopeful enough to keep going, then this work really matters.

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And once again on behalf of CrossFit Tribe we really want to thank you guys for always supporting our initiatives.

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Right here, Tinnis, we're going to do a picture of the

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main field.

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Please,

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the next action item is tied.

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Okay, so you'll notice that we moved an action item up after number 6

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because this action item is attached to the proclamation that I just read.

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And so the action item is regarding bridge lighting requests on the suicide prevention week.

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There is a motion in front of us if there's any comments.

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Have a lighting scheme.

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Yes, so the color for suicide prevention month is teal.

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And so the request from process thrive to help with awareness is to light the Wayne Country Bridge.

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Teal Colored.

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Any questions or comments?

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Motion to approve the request to eliminate the one country road bridge lights in Teal

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for September 8 to 14, 2026, and recognition of National Suicide Prevention Week.

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There is a motion and second to approve the request to eliminate one country road bridge.

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All those in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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I'll pose same side.

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Motion passes. Thank you, council. Aye.

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Council, we are on item number eight. This is city administrator reports and comments. Rachel, do you want to go first? Are we going to invite chief up? Yes. I actually will have chief Dameron and deputy chief Clara come up and do their presentation before I launch into my updates for council.

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I'm on up, gentlemen.

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Gentlemen.

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So in the last council meeting, I had mentioned that we had requested the fire chief to come

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up and speak about his biannual report and also offer the opportunity for councils.

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There were any questions about the incident.

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Yep.

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Our last fire incident.

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Well, thank you for having me.

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First, I just wanted to introduce my deputy chief.

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It's his name is Rubio Clara. If you haven't met him, he's a prosecutor graduate and he's been in the fire service for close to 20 years and I'm lucky to have them part of our team, so.

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We'll get into the biennial report.

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This year was call volume wise. It's probably going to be close to the average, I would say.

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We've had a couple of busy months, but we've had a few slow months.

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Our staffing levels, not much has changed.

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Last year, we were a student resident short, most of the year we had one quit, or get

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a job halfway through the year, so this year we're going to be, right now we're fully

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staffed.

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We have three new ones, new student residents.

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our volunteer numbers are steady and we should bring on two to three new

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recruits. One of the things we've also done is we've brought because it's

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such a time commitment to go through a recruit academy is at least three

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three months it starts this week and it goes to December and then they have

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about six weeks of hazmat training and then another month of wildland

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training. So it takes a tremendous amount of time to go through all of those things. So this summer

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we've started to bring on what we call a single-role firefighter. So if somebody only wants to do EMS

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then they can come on, they don't have to go through all that stuff. We have single-role EMS people,

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we have single-role wildland people, and then the full flage that they go through all the things

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they'd be able to do everything. But our numbers are not much different from the last time we talked.

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Call volume, like I said, it's been steady but I think we're going to be close to

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that 815. We were still busy June. We were close to 100 calls July. We were close to 100 calls.

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So just really busy, a city of

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Prosser. I think we're going to be close to the same.

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Last year, we had 430 of our calls.

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We're in the city limits.

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And right now we're about 278.

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So major incidents.

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This is kind of different.

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There are many things you've seen these before.

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Normally, we might have a structure fire in there.

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But every major incident that we've had has been a natural cover fire this year.

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And so that's good that we haven't had any structure fires or commercial buildings like that.

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But it's I've never seen that before. So it's just goes, you know, apart from the course or what we've been doing.

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The actual cover fire is does everybody know or am I?

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It's just a, you know, cheatgrass or sagebrush or weeds.

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in the back. Okay. Yeah. Thank you.

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Mutual aid. This is going to be we're going to get busier

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and busier with this. One of the things that we do in Benton County, Franklin County,

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while the wall of counties is that any major incident we automatically will start to send apparatus

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before we didn't do that. We would wait till they called. Now we're on an automatic dispatch.

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So, a lot of these big fires that might not even be in our area, we will try to send

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if we have an apparatus, we will try to send it there within about an hour response.

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So, I think that number will just steadily climb over the next few years.

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State mobilization, there's only five and some of these are local.

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this year we were so busy in the June and July that we didn't send our we didn't sign up our

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apparatus every week and so we were just felt like we were we needed to keep them here. One of the

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things that we do in Benton County, Franklin County and Walla Walla County is we have we call it the

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southeast region strike team and so every week somebody signs up and there's six apparatus on that

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and so every week we pull from six different agencies and send that to one of these large fires.

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So every large fire you've seen, Spokane, Walla Walla, even Arth that we had here like that strike team is

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what goes. When that happens, one of the things that really, if we have a unit out on a seven-day

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assignment, that's just one less for us. And so it's really hard to send it, you know,

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the intensity has a fire and we sound on there. Now we're down to maybe two, three units. And so we

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try to help everybody, but the state moved this year. We were just a little, a little light on that,

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just wanted to keep them home. So turn out times, I don't think we can get any faster on that.

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We're slowing down by two seconds. So you know that is our guys take a really a lot of pride in

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that number right there. So the response time, that's a pretty good time too because our district

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is 176 four miles and so on average are we were there in five minutes and 37 seconds and so that's

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at least the first unit so feel pretty good about that too.

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Like I said we're last year we're

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down residents but so those hours you see they probably should be about not quite double that but

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we were just light on, we've done a really good job of getting our volunteers and residents

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hired to other jobs. And when that happens, we just lose somebody. And so we're always

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in a constant rotation of people right now. I have seven residents or volunteers that

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are on hiring lists are already been hired last year. We had two or three. So we take

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a lot of pride in that, but it does kind of, we train them up and then they leave, so we've

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started over.

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I don't know if there's, oh yeah. I think last time I was here, this question

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came up what we did and I just wanted to point out there's a few things. It seems like

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at least every couple of weeks we're doing something in the community. These are just a few

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examples but I would say probably on a you know two to three times a month we're

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out depending on weather and depending on the function but so a lot higher than

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that but we try to any we don't turn anybody down for public education and then

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the fire break program or dozer we've done we did painted heels that was a little

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late, we ran into some problems with property. We couldn't get a hold of some property owners,

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and there's still one little section that we couldn't get a hold of them in time. The

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those are lines we need to do those before June, like May 15th is like, and we did them this

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year in June, but we risk sparked in a fire by doing that. And so, we try to get them done before

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May 15th. But we added the gun range last year, then the Hayden Homes, we do that little section.

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and so we're willing to do really any property

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as long as it's done in the springtime.

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So that's really not on that,

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but we wanna talk a little bit about the fire we had.

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Yes.

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So the fire ended up being almost 40,000 acres.

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It started on the satis and then probably about eight hours

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it traveled 20 almost 21 miles that lightning chief it was a lightning strike. The

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Yakima nation had it stopped at about 30 to 40 acres. Those are lines around it

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everything and that wind came up and pushed it over the line and then we were

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off to the races. We went probably early afternoon we sent a rebellion myself in

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our dozer and another unit we went to mapped in to try to help them stop it

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before it went over Glade Road but at that point that we had already seen a

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neighboring district's command vehicle get burned over we had a private

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tractor get burned up that sent the operator to Harborview so we were really

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that we knew this fire was moving really fast and so we we started dozer line

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kind of east of Glade Road and we had seven aircraft working with us to drop in

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retardant water drops and then unbeknownst to us the fire had already gone

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over the ridge so what we were fighting the aircraft left to go on the south

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side of the ridge and so once that happened we knew we couldn't catch it we could

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just see it it was just traveling faster than we could move and so we got all our

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units and went back to Prosser. Our dozer had a mechanical failure so they had to go back and fix it

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while the fire was still not quite in our fire district.

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So at about 530 I think I called for

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evacuations because district five on top of the hill had already lost a home and it was already

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passed Lincoln grade or close to that. And one of the things that happened was since

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that fire was already there. And to keep in mind how fast this fire was moving, on top

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of the ridge they had seven tractors pulling huge discs. Two of those tractors are what

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it's called a speed disc and they do like 20 miles an hour and they couldn't catch it.

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And so, once we knew that was happening, we called for evacuations, 530 I believe, and

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I also called for a strike team, additional strike teams.

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We got one right away.

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The other two, because Benton 5, up on the hill, already had a strike team.

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Our other strike team, the Southeast region, is already on a fire, and we get, so now

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there's three strike teams local. So we've really, there's no, there's no more. So I talked to what we

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call e-rock emergency radio operation center. And so I needed more apparatus. It's at night. I have no

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aircraft. They don't fly at night. And so they pulled the strike team from Walla Walla and another one

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from Kittitast County and that's why some people we've seen a delay in

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apparatus getting here but they had an hour and a half drive and they both of

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those came off other fires. So you know we had the maximum what we're gonna get

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out of our region. One of the things that kind of hampered us too is normally we

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get units out of Yak 5 which is our neighbor to the west but they're already on a

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fire, a big fire. And so they have no one to send us. And so once once we saw the fire

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come over the ridge that's going to come into our district, then we had to kind of

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gear up on the first defense. And we had I think, I think we had about 10 apparatus. And

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we had like 15 more coming. And so the fire, when it came over the ridge, it was on those

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other houses, the first row of houses under five minutes. And then it jumped southward

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gap. And it was like at Rachel's house in under three minutes. But it so it didn't give

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us enough time to get back around. We did have, I think there was four units like on

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Rachel's road and they all said we got to go we're going to get burned up so they

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aired on the side of safety and they they came back to the main road. Went

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through another couple little hills and then all of a sudden the wind kind of

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just died down and then we kind of got a handle on it and but that wind was just

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southward gap I was parked on it and it didn't stop normally a fire will bump

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maybe an amber will go across. These flames were probably 50 feet long and it just went from one side of the road to the never never even slowed down.

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And so it's a very rare fire that you know nobody's seen that.

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But once we got a weather window, community came up a little bit, then we got those dozer lines in it and then I just took a little while as a little frustrating.

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but there's not much you can do in a wind event like that, even I really wanted to burn

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what we call a backburn off a southward gap road, but the wind was so blowing so hard

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if we would have started...

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Well, there, that fire would have jumped the road before we could stop it. Now we've got two different problems.

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And so, you know, one of the biggest things, and, you know, I'm going to go to Rachel's neighborhood, but one of the biggest things we've talked about, we, you know, flyers, things I got as defensible space. You know, the homes, especially up in that area, you know, we've got to have a buffer zone to give ourselves a chance. One of the things that, you know, when that fire was going through,

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our units were just leapfrogging from house to house they might not have been

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there very long but they were just looking at every single thing and then go

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into the next one and put in whatever out and go into the next one putting them

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whatever out and and the whole meantime trying to stay safe so yeah it was a

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challenging but whether whether helped us a little late but but it still helped

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us. So I have a question. Yep. Actually, I have two questions. Uh, he does

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Hermiston, or you Matilla, I ever come over and help because, you know, those guys

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are what 40 minutes away? Are they? Uh, no, we don't have a mutual aid

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agreements. Um, I think, uh, Benton County Fire District 6 in Patterson has a

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mutual aid agreement with them, but no, no one else does. They, uh, I think they do

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because they're so close to it and they don't have anybody else. Um, but we don't, um,

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I just wondered if that might be helpful to have a relationship.

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Yeah, there's, I don't know exactly, but it was something about crossing state lines

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and insurance issues and things like that.

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Okay, the second question is, a couple years ago, we did a rotary tour.

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The rotary group did a tour of the fire station, and I grew up with farm equipment, so

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and I know it's very expensive.

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Somebody mentioned, I thought they said one of those new fire trucks cost $500,000, is that

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the little ones. The little ones? Yeah, the big ones are a million.

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I was telling somebody in the parade yesterday, I said yeah, those things they cost. I think

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they did. Yeah, so a type, what we call a type five, the, the ones that look like they'd

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go off road. Right. Those are about now 350,000 up. Um, a type one engine that would put out

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a house fire, um, right now they're over a million dollars in a four year wait. And so,

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I don't think the public understands how expensive those are. Yeah, we, so in 2022,

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we bought two of those Type 5s and two Type 1s and I think the price on our Type 1 was 579,000

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and within two, three years it went double, almost and it's kind of crazy and then the weight is

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three to four years by the time you place the order. Well, thank you guys for all you do.

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Yeah, so so my question so I was I say behind on that is my neighborhood all evacuated and I wanted somebody in the neighborhood in case of you know people coming through and stealing things and and so watching through the night is a long night.

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in that little gorge behind Haydenhomes.

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And it looked to me that there may have been a line

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that was cut, and then maybe it hopped over that,

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and then stopped where it did.

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Was there a line, were there two lines?

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Where you saw was, so the line that came,

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the first line that they put in,

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dropped the fire, and it was backing down the hill.

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But there was all that unburned fuel to the west.

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So what we did is we brought in a dozer line kind of along one of those walking paths.

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Yeah, that did the job that walking path down below close to Hayden-Homes down.

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And then we burned that whole section of fuel off.

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We had a good weather window.

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And so even when we were lighting that fire, like the wind's not blowing very hard.

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And the flames were probably 10 feet over the dozer.

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with no wind so you can imagine what there's wind but we needed to burn that big

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pocket of unburned fuel out while we had the opportunity because what we

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didn't want to happen is some wind shift and now that fire just takes off and

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goes back to the west of all the unburned fuel so we just did a big burn out

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operation it took a hour or so and just to tie them all in together and that

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way there's no way it can go anywhere well you did an excellent job really

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appreciate on what you did. Is there is there any problems on any of these fires lately where

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and you guys were good about staging people on the on the corners to prevent looters from coming in?

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Is that is that ever a problem? I think on this type of not really. I mean maybe if it was like

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extended multiple days but I mean even that night like you barely see anything because it's still

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smokey. It's still, you know, the, uh,

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Professor, please, PCSO, they did a really good job. There's lots of them there. Um,

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making sure that everything was, um,

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nice. Yeah. But I won't point when, when we were staged, um,

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I think I had 10 deputies standing behind me after we did all the evaluations. They went through

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and made, um, to make sure to give us a confirmation of what they've done.

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You keep the looters out.

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Good. Thank you.

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One thing I will kind of add to that is at five o'clock that night.

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The fire went what we call state mobilization.

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So the state has agreed that this is a big fire that they're willing to start sending resources.

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So at five o'clock at night that started.

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but it takes time so you probably saw some units from a camis or from the

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coast that's that strike team and one of the things with this and they were

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there till Wednesday morning so from they got their Sunday they took over at 10 a.m.

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they were housed at the Armory and Grandview I would say there was

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probably 200s and some firefighters and this fire's not just our little

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section, but it's the whole thing. Those three days, it was about 1.9 million to make sure

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this thing was out and, you know, a couple hundred firefighters and apparatus and aircraft

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and lots of different jurisdictions there. So I was really happy that they agreed to that.

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And it takes a big burden off us because we're already out there for almost a day.

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And so when

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helps.

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You had mentioned that in the spring time you do a preventative dozer line around the

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neighborhoods but sometimes there is difficulty getting property owner permission for that.

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Yeah so there was um so one of the on painted hills there's one little section that ties into

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Lincoln grade that property a few years ago it was owned by somebody and there was this they wanted us to put them on their insurance and a bunch of different things and so we were not going to do that.

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Then it sold and then we had a hard time getting hold of that person before we could before it dried out too much where we couldn't go do it.

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So we're going to have to start way earlier and see if it's allowed.

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There is, I think Nick worked on a little bit on the far east side of town,

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Corde Hors Lane. There's a property on there on the eastern side that they weren't

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too thrilled about having a dose of line through their property. So if that happens,

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there's not much we could do about that, but we'll do it wherever we can to,

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wherever people own the property that are willing to let us do it and it's not

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just those lines we have a disc we can disc it to one of the problems is some

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of this is big sagebrush so we end up we almost need to be able to mo it before

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we disc it if not we just make a big mess and we push five-foot sagebrush into a

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big pile that's gonna be even worse but we are working we're gonna try to figure

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out all these neighborhoods how we can help them and then any individual homeowners if they have

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property that they want us to put a disline in or come talk to them. You know, we're always

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willing to do that. We've done it a few times. We've sent out flyers every year, every house south

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of Highway 22 and it kind of explains and we have in there a pre-contiltation visits, you know,

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will come out and tell you how to do it. We've had a few. I think we're going to have a lot more

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So, but-

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And in the event of an emergency, there's no permission needed.

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Oh, I couldn't have an emergency.

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We'll just do what we need to do and, yeah, so, yep.

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Aiden Hicks is going to thrive in a little business going.

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Yeah, one of our paid firefighter, him and

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him, and actually, there's two of them.

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They started a business and they do just that.

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If you have, it's just a fire mitigation, and they'll come out and give you a quote, do everything, and so they've been busy.

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Any other questions?

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Council.

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Well, gentlemen, thank you.

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Thank you for your efforts.

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Okay, Rachel, you have like six items you want to bring.

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Lethara, I'll start with saying thank you again to Chief Dameron and Deputy Chief Clara

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for the work that they did for the fire.

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And our neighborhood is taking them up on their invite to come and speak to our neighbors

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about defensible spaces and those are lines for particularly for the property owners at the top of the hill and a community reservoir and so they offer that for free and we are definitely taking them up on that.

430
00:40:47,090 --> 00:40:51,310
That's the first fire since I've been there and it was quite traumatic.

431
00:40:51,310 --> 00:41:10,850
A couple of updates for Council last week. I talked about we were going to potentially move the family pictures or the group photos of Council to October, but we have since moved that to November 3rd. So I'm hoping that that works for everyone.

432
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:20,290
Other items on my list for you is that Fall Soccer is kicking off this weekend at Foundation

433
00:41:20,290 --> 00:41:25,530
Bible Church. Our public works guys have been doing a great job of getting the fields

434
00:41:25,530 --> 00:41:32,890
and everything ready, and so I want to extend my gratitude to them. We have 354 kiddos registered

435
00:41:32,890 --> 00:41:42,830
for this fall and the age group is from 4 to 13 years old. So great program. Speaking of

436
00:41:42,830 --> 00:41:48,430
grades, I thought the parade was great this weekend. That was so fun. I wasn't supposed to be in

437
00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:52,250
the car and then I was in the car. So thanks to mayor.

438
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:57,950
And thank you to our public work staff. They

439
00:41:57,950 --> 00:42:01,550
They also helped in making sure that that was a successful event.

440
00:42:02,830 --> 00:42:04,630
What else do I have for you?

441
00:42:05,050 --> 00:42:11,330
Oh, I also wanted to let you know the records grant that Miss Jackie and Kendall have been

442
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:16,870
working on along with our grant staff member, her name is Megan.

443
00:42:17,290 --> 00:42:22,170
They closed the grant out, so we are going to be closing that out with Tony.

444
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:23,630
It was a great success.

445
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:27,430
there was many records that were brought into compliance.

446
00:42:29,530 --> 00:42:35,970
You might have noticed, but we posted two vacancies, two board vacancies.

447
00:42:36,350 --> 00:42:44,650
So we have an LTAC board that has a receiver and a collector positions that are open.

448
00:42:44,970 --> 00:42:51,350
So we posted that, and we also have posted the vacancy and recruitment efforts for the tree committee.

449
00:42:51,350 --> 00:42:58,350
So as a reminder to council, that is six citizens, one council member and staff members.

450
00:42:58,870 --> 00:43:05,910
Both of those boards, the applications will be remain open, will be receiving them through

451
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:07,170
October 2nd.

452
00:43:07,310 --> 00:43:12,940
If you are interested, please see the mayor or a comment.

453
00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:17,980
I'm getting an arborist on there like trees.

454
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,120
It is a requirement in the code.

455
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:31,460
Yes. You are welcome. What else do I have to tell you about? Oh, I wanted to let you know

456
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:37,140
that we have submitted the draft comprehensive plan to the state to the Department of Commerce

457
00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:45,420
as part of the requirement. The state has 60 days to review and provide any comments. Once that

458
00:43:45,420 --> 00:43:49,560
That time period is concluded and they've sent any comments back to us.

459
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,360
We will continue with scheduling the public hearings, with the Planning Commission and

460
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,860
then we'll bring that forward to Council, so that will be coming very soon.

461
00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:05,900
And then lastly, I wanted to let you know, as part of my continued education for my city

462
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:13,260
administrator, city manager accreditation program, there is a conference coming up in California.

463
00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:24,400
It's through the International City County Managers Association and it will be the first time that this conference is this close.

464
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:34,400
It's an international conference, so the next time it'll be on this side of while the coast will be in 2030 and it'll be in Tacoma.

465
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:43,080
So, you might have seen in the budget and finance committee packet and in the expenditures my travel expenses for that.

466
00:44:43,660 --> 00:44:47,660
So, just letting you know that. Any questions?

467
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,520
Any questions, Council?

468
00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:52,680
You're going to hear from me a lot for tonight's items as well.

469
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,400
Moving on, we're Council, we're on item nine.

470
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,760
Seeking a motion to approve the consent agenda items. Move to approve, consent agenda items, A through C.

471
00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:16,920
Moved and seconded to approve, consent, agenda items, A through C. All those in favor signify by saying aye.

472
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Opposed, same sign. Motion passes. Thank you, council. We have several action items. And we will start with board of adjustments.

473
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:38,180
position. We had four applicants and two withdrew and we interviewed two. Go ahead, Rachel.

474
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:47,380
Okay. So we did. We have four applicants, two withdrew. We Mayor and I conducted two interviews.

475
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:55,800
And after those interviews, Mr. Mayor selected Harold Lewis to appoint to the Board of Adjustments.

476
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:03,600
And so the information about Harold's application and our recommendation is in the packet and Harold is here tonight.

477
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,940
Any questions?

478
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:09,420
It's a three.

479
00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:16,060
You're thankful for Harold's interest in serving on this board.

480
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:22,330
There's a recommendation for approval in the packets.

481
00:46:22,330 --> 00:46:34,250
I'd like to make a motion to confirm the appointment of Harold Lewis to the Board of Adjustment position number one with the term ending on January 1, 2027.

482
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:37,190
29 second question.

483
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:40,970
On the ending date, go ahead.

484
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:58,690
Yeah, the summary statement 29 my apologies, yeah motion this is 27, which was right. I think the the noted noted should be 29 in the motion. Yes, I'll make an amendment to the all amendment my motion.

485
00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:08,130
It's been moved and seconded to confirm the appointment of Harold Lewis to the Board of

486
00:47:08,130 --> 00:47:13,570
Adjustment, position number one with the term ending on January 1st, 2029.

487
00:47:14,350 --> 00:47:16,570
All those in favor signify by saying aye.

488
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:17,290
Aye.

489
00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:18,950
Opposed, same sign?

490
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:20,730
Motion passes.

491
00:47:22,330 --> 00:47:22,930
Congratulations.

492
00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:28,310
Next up, we're going to square a manual, let them know.

493
00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:35,370
So we will schedule the oath of office with Ms. Jackie and then we'll begin the training requirements for you.

494
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:40,080
Thanks, Harold. Thanks for coming out this evening too.

495
00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:50,250
Councilor, we're on item number B, declaration restrictive covenant and Rachel, go ahead.

496
00:47:51,070 --> 00:47:55,490
So this item is being brought forward for Council's consideration.

497
00:47:55,730 --> 00:48:00,550
This is part of the approvals associated with Merlot Meadows phase one.

498
00:48:00,550 --> 00:48:06,750
this particular lot, lot 29, is a property that is required to be subject to

499
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:11,990
recorded for restricted, restrictive covenants to ensure that the property is

500
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:16,590
developed, conveyed and occupied as affordable housing for a minimum of 20

501
00:48:16,590 --> 00:48:26,670
years. So, Hayden Holmes contacted me. They have this ready and the requirements I

502
00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:32,050
have provided the supporting documentation in the packet for Council's review.

503
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:38,070
It was originally established through the resolution that's in the packet also.

504
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:42,890
Are there any questions I can answer about this?

505
00:48:43,950 --> 00:48:45,590
Questions or comments, Council?

506
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:46,370
Okay.

507
00:48:46,750 --> 00:48:47,070
Very good.

508
00:48:47,530 --> 00:48:48,970
We have a motion in front of us.

509
00:48:51,350 --> 00:48:53,210
We can approve the Declaration of Restricted.

510
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:56,830
Covenant with Hayden's homes for the property located at 342.

511
00:48:58,090 --> 00:48:59,790
How do you pronounce it?

512
00:49:00,290 --> 00:49:00,430
Aeon.

513
00:49:00,910 --> 00:49:03,790
I would Aeon.

514
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:05,530
Aeon?

515
00:49:06,090 --> 00:49:06,870
Hey, whatever.

516
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:08,350
Avenant, browser.

517
00:49:08,990 --> 00:49:11,030
Washington, 99350.

518
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:13,770
An authorized city administrator shot assigned the declaration.

519
00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:14,670
Second.

520
00:49:15,690 --> 00:49:22,350
It's been moved and seconded to approve the motion of declaration of restrictive covenant with Hayden Homes.

521
00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:25,370
All those in favor signify by saying aye.

522
00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:26,170
Aye.

523
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:28,030
Opposed same sign?

524
00:49:28,890 --> 00:49:29,870
Motion passes.

525
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:41,170
Item number C is regarding, it's actually a request for excused absences.

526
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:51,630
It's reading leave of absence but if you look at the motion, it is to approve absences.

527
00:49:51,630 --> 00:50:03,790
Rachel? Yes. So, earlier this month, Council member Cortez had contacted me and had requested

528
00:50:03,790 --> 00:50:12,910
for an excuse absence for the month of September and the majority of October from the Council

529
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:19,430
and the Budget and Finance Committee. So, I reviewed the Council rules of procedures policy,

530
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:31,070
along with RCW-35A-12 and determined from that that although the city council rules of

531
00:50:31,070 --> 00:50:39,690
procedures policy states that the city clerk or the mayor can approve, excuse the request

532
00:50:39,690 --> 00:50:49,410
for approved or unexcused absences, the RCW trumps that and the RCW states that responses

533
00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:51,590
ability resides with the council.

534
00:50:52,810 --> 00:51:00,490
And so I had a conversation with council member Cortez, the, her request is in writing.

535
00:51:00,670 --> 00:51:05,310
It's included in the packet with the explanation for her request.

536
00:51:07,450 --> 00:51:17,310
And I also received, I asked our city attorney to provide us an opinion about that.

537
00:51:17,310 --> 00:51:24,710
I put the opinion letter in the packet as well for Council's review and included the rules

538
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:28,670
of procedures policy in the packet.

539
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:37,550
The section 4 speaks specifically about unexcused absences.

540
00:51:37,550 --> 00:51:50,690
So the way that the RCW reads is that the council has to decide whether or not the use

541
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:59,910
or not excuse. Any three consecutive excuse, unexused absences results in a vacancy of the

542
00:51:59,910 --> 00:52:00,390
position.

543
00:52:02,490 --> 00:52:05,050
So, just to clarify,

544
00:52:07,290 --> 00:52:11,570
when a council member is typically absent, they will

545
00:52:11,570 --> 00:52:19,970
request on a single absence, request the clerk or the mayor to excuse and then it's taken

546
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:28,350
under consideration and it's officially excused when it shows in the minutes that it's excused.

547
00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:37,510
In this case, the RCW states that if it's three or more consecutive absences and it's not

548
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:45,510
the clerk or the mayor, it is counsel. Right. And Felix has asked the counsel to excuse.

549
00:52:46,090 --> 00:52:54,430
Right. And in this instance, she had missed the September 1st, and then of course today,

550
00:52:55,130 --> 00:53:01,590
and the 22nd, those are three consecutive meetings already. So by the time we get to October,

551
00:53:01,590 --> 00:53:10,700
we're looking at, if the council doesn't approve, then it's a vacancy of the position.

552
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:15,900
And it's important to note that Councilmember Cortes also serves on the Budget and Finance

553
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:17,660
Committee as well.

554
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,140
So she would be, is missing those meetings.

555
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:31,080
So the ask is September the 8th, 22nd, 29 October, 6th, and October the 13th.

556
00:53:31,140 --> 00:53:32,380
The first.

557
00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:35,160
in the first, September the first.

558
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,960
Yeah, she missed the first meeting of the month.

559
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,640
And so that is the ask.

560
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,700
And in the packet is there.

561
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,860
Felix Felix has that.

562
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:47,180
Okay.

563
00:53:47,820 --> 00:53:48,680
Yeah, sure.

564
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:55,450
There is a motion in front of us, council.

565
00:53:59,690 --> 00:54:00,170
Yes sir.

566
00:54:00,470 --> 00:54:04,390
What is the legal definition of excused and unexcused absence?

567
00:54:05,950 --> 00:54:19,150
Well, City Attorney, good one, and I discuss that, and you will see in there that there is no clear definition for excused or unexcused.

568
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:23,010
And maybe Ben can speak to that a little bit more.

569
00:54:23,010 --> 00:54:36,370
in? Yes, an excuse absence is an absence that's excused by the council. There isn't a specific

570
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:45,810
thing that would make it excused. The legislature has left that open to that to the legislative

571
00:54:45,810 --> 00:54:55,630
body to determine what they collectively considered to be an excused absence.

572
00:54:59,410 --> 00:55:00,370
That's what it's

573
00:55:00,370 --> 00:55:00,710
left of.

574
00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:06,050
I have a question, Mayor. Go ahead, Bill.

575
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:13,570
Okay, so I understand what's going on and I do

576
00:55:13,570 --> 00:55:22,510
have a concern in that in the future if one of us or another council like my

577
00:55:22,510 --> 00:55:29,050
granddaughter she has different things going on that I would like to go see if they

578
00:55:29,050 --> 00:55:37,710
happen on Tuesday night I won't do it but if if you're able to be excused for

579
00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:40,210
doing it, and it's not a family illness.

580
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:47,530
And I really would like to be to support her,

581
00:55:47,810 --> 00:56:00,150
to go to her events. And I'm just concerned what presidents we might be setting. That's

582
00:56:00,150 --> 00:56:05,810
my concern. I'm not saying that I'm opposed to Felix doing what she's doing. It's not a

583
00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:15,900
personal thing with Felix. It's just I'm just thinking of precedence. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions or comments council?

584
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:23,040
If you want to counsel back in the dark ages.

585
00:56:25,620 --> 00:56:33,540
One of the things that I realized when I signed up to go on council was I was going to miss some stuff, some family stuff. And I did.

586
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:40,220
And I think when you sign up for this, you should realize that going in.

587
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:43,320
If you don't realize that going in,

588
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:46,540
you need to fix it.

589
00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:51,940
And the way to fix it is, unfortunately, attend the council meetings

590
00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:54,500
so you don't hit the three meetings in a row.

591
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,080
She's missing five meetings.

592
00:56:58,060 --> 00:57:03,720
She could skip one of her daughter's games to keep out of where there's any question.

593
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:10,860
or she could take her iPad with her and listen to the thing online we do have

594
00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:14,640
that capability now. When I started this you either tend to the meeting you

595
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,580
didn't there was no online thing.

596
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:19,120
I

597
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,360
think that if we're gonna miss five

598
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,940
meetings we really need to look at resigning if you want my opinion.

599
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:35,750
Julie? So the

600
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:40,890
The Budget and Finance Committee, how many council members are on that committee?

601
00:57:42,370 --> 00:57:43,330
Three and an alternate.

602
00:57:43,330 --> 00:57:44,310
Three and an alternate.

603
00:57:44,370 --> 00:57:45,290
And it would be two and an alternate.

604
00:57:45,850 --> 00:57:46,090
Correct.

605
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:56,810
We accept for last council meeting that it was out of town somewhere and so we had one and

606
00:57:56,810 --> 00:57:57,970
we didn't have the finance committee.

607
00:58:01,390 --> 00:58:05,050
To be at least two people at the meeting or we need to have the court on.

608
00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:06,350
Correct.

609
00:58:06,350 --> 00:58:07,310
And

610
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:14,840
that would have been considered an unexcused absence.

611
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:29,080
Your question, we haven't had this presented this many in a row, but typically when council

612
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:34,380
members are gone, they'll typically notify Rachel.

613
00:58:34,540 --> 00:58:36,060
Rachel's not the clerk any longer.

614
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:38,120
It is Jackie.

615
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,480
And so the request goes to either Jackie or myself.

616
00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:48,520
And lots of times it's happened, you know, it'll happen on the phone.

617
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:52,860
Sometimes it's last minute, things come up, emergency, and so on and so forth.

618
00:58:53,900 --> 00:59:01,340
And then we determine the clerk or the mayor determines whether it's excused or not.

619
00:59:01,340 --> 00:59:08,160
But as I said, then it's excused when it's official in the minutes.

620
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:15,720
In unexcused absence, simply in the past has been noted in the meeting minutes if the

621
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:21,920
council member neglects to inform me mayor or the clerk that they're just not going

622
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:22,380
to be there.

623
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,160
Then that constitutes an unexcused absence.

624
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:41,480
I did want to mention that when I met with Council Member Cortez, we did talk about the implications of meeting this many many meetings, particularly as we're launching into the budget and what that would look like it is.

625
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:54,240
If I could give you a couple different scenarios, scenario one of council decides that this is excused and she comes back at the October 27th meeting.

626
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:59,760
She would have had missed a number of budget meetings and discussions and all of the other

627
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980
Justice that council does, she would either need to recuse herself from voting on the budget or get herself up to speed by reviewing the council packets and audio after the fact. So we did talk about that. I did also offer to her, remind her that the meetings she could participate virtually and she declined that. That was not something that she was interested in.

628
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:35,260
in doing she very much so expressed that her priority is her daughter and her soccer

629
01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:45,440
games and she was not interested in entertaining that. The game start right at 6 p.m.

630
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:56,220
So we talked through a couple different scenarios and ultimately she asked that the decision is left

631
01:00:56,220 --> 01:01:00,040
to counsel if it's excuse or unexcused.

632
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,740
Any other questions or comments counsel?

633
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:09,330
Okay, we have a motion in front of us.

634
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,260
Well, we don't have a motion in front of us.

635
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:35,270
In, do you have some advisement?

636
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:42,230
The,

637
01:01:44,290 --> 01:01:47,690
I mean, if the motion is not made

638
01:01:48,510 --> 01:01:52,850
and there is no action taken on this particular subject,

639
01:01:55,010 --> 01:02:03,170
then things would just run status quo, which means if a council member were to not show

640
01:02:03,170 --> 01:02:08,970
it for three consecutive meetings, then they would vacate that unless before one of those

641
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:16,970
meetings, that council member called and asked for an excuse, an excused absence because

642
01:02:16,970 --> 01:02:25,390
because that is still in play if the council were to either vote for or against this, whichever

643
01:02:25,390 --> 01:02:30,330
way passes. I mean, if the council were to vote for all the excuses absences, there would

644
01:02:30,330 --> 01:02:37,270
be no need for that council member to call in for an excused absence. If the council decided

645
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:47,610
to vote against this motion or not be in favor of approving these. The council member

646
01:02:47,610 --> 01:02:54,210
in question could still call in at some point and ask for an excused absence rather than

647
01:02:54,210 --> 01:02:56,870
all of these absences being excused.

648
01:02:59,250 --> 01:03:04,350
So that's up to that council member taken into that council

649
01:03:04,350 --> 01:03:05,130
members and youngs.

650
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:07,810
Very well.

651
01:03:09,010 --> 01:03:10,830
Is today's meeting the third?

652
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:14,190
Today would be the second, an excuse absent.

653
01:03:15,710 --> 01:03:24,750
I have a question. So on the committees, I am listed as the alternate for the budget and finance committee.

654
01:03:25,490 --> 01:03:34,650
If I were to get put into that position as the non-alternate and the primary, could we revert back to it if she came back?

655
01:03:34,650 --> 01:03:38,970
Or can we just make that the case or how does that work?

656
01:03:39,250 --> 01:03:44,030
You would remain the alternate and you would just step in in her absence.

657
01:03:44,590 --> 01:03:47,650
And then when she returns, she returns to her committee duties.

658
01:03:50,290 --> 01:03:55,190
Would that still defeat the purpose of this person taking back over and then still needing

659
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:56,590
to get up to speed, right?

660
01:03:57,410 --> 01:03:59,090
But it might be easier that way.

661
01:03:59,090 --> 01:04:12,710
Or the purpose of budget and finance committee meeting that would be an acceptable solution for the budget or excuse me for the council she would be missing a tremendous amount of information.

662
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:25,500
So in the event that council doesn't take action tonight and we move forward and the next meeting on the 22nd would be the third meeting that would be missed.

663
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:33,740
the position would be vacated and I would then have to publish that we have a vacancy on the

664
01:04:33,740 --> 01:04:40,940
city council and do very similar to how we handle other boards and commissions. We would post it for

665
01:04:40,940 --> 01:04:48,460
30 days. We would receive applications and council would interview and then appoint. And the

666
01:04:48,460 --> 01:04:56,480
The appointment would last through Councilmember Cortez's term when the next regular election

667
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,840
cycle comes through, then that person, if they're still interested, would have to run for

668
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:01,180
election.

669
01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:04,360
I have one more question.

670
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:05,020
Yes, ma'am.

671
01:05:05,380 --> 01:05:06,360
So I'm looking at this.

672
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:07,660
First, 8th.

673
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:14,710
It's 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

674
01:05:15,330 --> 01:05:16,350
So I

675
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:24,970
recognize that the motion stated the 29th when we don't have a meeting on the 29th,

676
01:05:25,010 --> 01:05:25,850
it should have read.

677
01:05:25,850 --> 01:05:32,710
But yeah, it should have read September 1st, September 8th, and September 22nd, and

678
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:35,190
October 6th, and October 13th.

679
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:39,890
She will return for the last meeting in October if that's acceptable to Council.

680
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:42,190
But everybody get that.

681
01:05:44,910 --> 01:05:48,330
Maricella and Bill, did you hear that last bit?

682
01:05:48,330 --> 01:05:58,010
that it should be listed in the motion as September the 1st, 8th, 22nd, strike the 29th

683
01:05:58,010 --> 01:06:02,390
and October 6th and the 13th, if that makes any difference.

684
01:06:03,130 --> 01:06:05,950
Now, still five meetings.

685
01:06:07,370 --> 01:06:11,530
Any other comments on this council?

686
01:06:11,850 --> 01:06:14,590
If not, I didn't hear motion.

687
01:06:14,590 --> 01:06:25,070
Then we can just let it run through and at the end of three it'll be considered fake

688
01:06:25,070 --> 01:06:25,250
it.

689
01:06:25,350 --> 01:06:25,610
They can.

690
01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:26,010
Correct.

691
01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:26,890
All right.

692
01:06:28,270 --> 01:06:32,610
Hearing no other comments from Council, then let's move on.

693
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:41,050
We are on item 11A, Flock Safety Cameras and Rachel.

694
01:06:41,850 --> 01:06:42,450
Yeah.

695
01:06:42,530 --> 01:06:43,150
What is it about?

696
01:06:43,150 --> 01:06:45,930
It is about the flock safety cameras.

697
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,040
Lock is getting a lot of bad press right now.

698
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,100
Lock is getting a lot of bad press.

699
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:57,200
Lock is getting a lot of tension.

700
01:06:57,980 --> 01:07:02,060
I've reviewed Rachel's, this is a discussion item.

701
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:07,200
And this discussion item will undoubtedly go past this evening.

702
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:07,920
Correct.

703
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:24,480
And Rachel's presentation is basically a balanced presentation, pros and cons and so on and so forth, no action tonight and I'm certain it'll come back to us.

704
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,500
Yes, that is the intent.

705
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:37,440
So, excuse me, this presentation isn't in your packet but I'm happy to send it to you like I did with Ben's presentation last week.

706
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:44,560
I put together a few slides to just help provide the framework for the discussion.

707
01:07:44,780 --> 01:07:51,940
So earlier this year, Council had directed me to deactivate the 20 flock cameras that

708
01:07:51,940 --> 01:07:58,640
we have and that is still in place and so I put together a little bit of the history

709
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:07,360
of how we got the cameras where we're at today and then point to your email if you didn't

710
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:14,400
see on Friday evening I put together a response to a citizen's request about a number of questions

711
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:20,280
that she had regarding the flock safety cameras and so I'll reference some of that material

712
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:29,260
that I included in that response. So first the flock safety cameras came to us and came to

713
01:08:29,260 --> 01:08:39,460
City Council for consideration late 2023 and early 2024. The city had an opportunity to go

714
01:08:39,460 --> 01:08:46,600
after the grant dollars. Clip stands for Community Law Enforcement Partnership Program. We were

715
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:58,580
successfully awarded about $245,000. We earmarked 133 of that specifically for the cost of the camera

716
01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:05,640
system. So we put in 20 cameras. In addition to that there was an expense this year for

717
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:13,500
65,000 that was for costs associated with the annual licensing fees. Then as you will recall,

718
01:09:13,860 --> 01:09:21,320
there were some records, lawsuits, public disclosure issues that were happening within the date.

719
01:09:21,900 --> 01:09:27,020
I had brought forward a recommendation to counsel that we consider looking at that ultimately counsel

720
01:09:27,020 --> 01:09:32,620
directed me to deactivate the cameras and so that is what leads us here today

721
01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:36,520
and I promise that I would bring this back to Council for Budget Discussions.

722
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:45,800
So I want to provide a quick overview on the purpose for tonight's discussion

723
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:50,480
is I want to be able to give you a balanced framework for you to be able to

724
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:54,920
make an informed decision about whether or not we should continue with the

725
01:09:54,920 --> 01:10:01,380
contract or let the contract expire and remove the cameras ultimately.

726
01:10:03,220 --> 01:10:08,120
So, a number of things have happened within the state where there's been some changes

727
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:17,480
in the law that have changed how we handle the... I'm going to call them throughout this

728
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:26,040
presentation, the ALPR which stands for automated license plate reader cameras, and I'm hoping

729
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:31,600
at the end of this that you all as counsel will be able to make an informed decision

730
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,400
about what to do about this. So as Mayor said, this is for discussion only. Lots of questions

731
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:41,240
can be asked during this presentation, and then we'll bring it back.

732
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:53,910
So for 2027, we have included $65,000 to fund the use of the license plate reader cameras.

733
01:10:55,150 --> 01:10:57,590
We go to the next slide, please ma'am.

734
01:10:59,970 --> 01:11:03,830
However, that is council's discretion. So a couple of things.

735
01:11:04,170 --> 01:11:13,470
What the system does and what it does not do. So the cameras capture images of passing vehicles and

736
01:11:13,470 --> 01:11:21,010
license plates. They record vehicle characteristics, the date, the time, and the camera location, and

737
01:11:21,010 --> 01:11:27,790
only authorized users are able to search the system with legitimate investigations. They can

738
01:11:27,790 --> 01:11:33,170
provide investigative leads and stolen vehicle hit and runs, missing persons, and serious crimes.

739
01:11:33,650 --> 01:11:42,450
What they do not do is they are not a facial recognition camera. They don't identify a driver or a

740
01:11:42,450 --> 01:11:46,190
registered owner, and they're not intended for speed enforcement.

741
01:11:47,150 --> 01:11:51,890
Under our current Washington law, the agency must be tied to an authorized purpose for

742
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:52,470
safeguards.

743
01:11:53,090 --> 01:11:59,510
If you have specific questions about how the cameras are utilized, Mr. Chief is here and

744
01:11:59,510 --> 01:12:00,250
can answer those.

745
01:12:02,010 --> 01:12:02,310
Next.

746
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:12,020
There are a couple things to consider about reactivating the cameras.

747
01:12:12,020 --> 01:12:24,720
us. So these here on this slide are intended to provide you a list of pros. This is an investigative

748
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:33,480
tool. They assist our law enforcement with investigating crimes. They help with stolen

749
01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:40,040
vehicles and suspects, missing and endangered persons. And there's also a regional component

750
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:47,020
to this. So we are one of many agencies in our region that uses block cameras and our law

751
01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:52,760
enforcement agency along with all of the others can communicate with one another about when the

752
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,880
bad guys cross into city limits.

753
01:12:57,210 --> 01:13:01,670
There's also a philosophy to this that the technology can be used

754
01:13:01,670 --> 01:13:08,510
as an additional tool to law enforcement. It's not a replacement for officers or witnesses or

755
01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:12,190
or traditional investigations, it is a tool.

756
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:18,060
Ones or the disadvantages to reactivating the cameras

757
01:13:18,980 --> 01:13:22,640
is there is a lot of conversation out in the public

758
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:28,720
about privacy and having cameras that record vehicle

759
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:33,120
movement even when the driver is not suspected of a crime.

760
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,860
We also need to take into consideration

761
01:13:37,860 --> 01:13:43,180
that having these cameras could have unintended use

762
01:13:43,820 --> 01:13:46,800
and expand into broader monitoring.

763
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,480
There's data security and vendor risks

764
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,300
that we need to take into consideration.

765
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:57,400
The city is solely dependent upon the vendor

766
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,840
for having our data.

767
01:14:00,620 --> 01:14:04,260
The cameras are not the city's property.

768
01:14:04,260 --> 01:14:09,860
We only allow flock to place the cameras in the city's right of way.

769
01:14:10,060 --> 01:14:11,820
We don't own the equipment at all.

770
01:14:12,140 --> 01:14:13,380
We are simply entering.

771
01:14:13,660 --> 01:14:16,160
We have entered into a land use license with them.

772
01:14:17,860 --> 01:14:24,560
There's a lot of discussion as many of you know about public trust and lawful surveillance.

773
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,140
It's a consideration.

774
01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:33,960
The cost is $65,000 and roughly $300 annually.

775
01:14:34,620 --> 01:14:41,140
Typically, we budget for a 5% increase for software use over the years.

776
01:14:42,820 --> 01:14:47,120
And technology is not a substitute for measurable outcomes.

777
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:56,560
So we, as staff, should be able to provide to you that this tool is providing meaningful

778
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,260
will investigate a value to our police department.

779
01:15:00,140 --> 01:15:12,760
In addition, I spoke about earlier. There's updated rules that Washington State has passed that any agency that uses these cameras must comply with.

780
01:15:16,010 --> 01:15:17,870
So you have your list of pros and cons.

781
01:15:20,590 --> 01:15:32,750
The items that has been changed since we have deactivated the cameras in January. So in March of this year, the State Senate Bill 6.0

782
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:39,930
002, it's under chapter 239, created a statewide framework for the use of the cameras.

783
01:15:40,610 --> 01:15:45,350
I didn't include all of the information in the packet about the rules, but there are

784
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:53,930
a number of compliance regulations that we have to follow if we are going to continue

785
01:15:53,930 --> 01:15:54,650
to use them.

786
01:15:55,830 --> 01:16:05,090
One of the compliance requirements is that we register our cameras with the Washington State Attorney General's Office.

787
01:16:05,730 --> 01:16:13,270
We have done that, even though the cameras are deactivated, we completed that requirement in July of this year.

788
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:23,070
date to the rules is that we cannot retain the data any longer than 21 days.

789
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:32,130
The vendor almost or excuse me, the vendor must also provide controls preventing unauthorized

790
01:16:32,130 --> 01:16:40,350
sharing or access to include non-authorized federal immigration agencies and the vendors

791
01:16:40,350 --> 01:16:44,710
may not change sharing permissions without the agency's knowledge.

792
01:16:44,710 --> 01:16:49,210
So, as many of you know, that was an issue that occurred late last year.

793
01:16:50,410 --> 01:16:58,270
In addition, any agency that is utilizing the license plate readers must adopt governing

794
01:16:58,270 --> 01:17:04,730
policies and provide training to staff by December 1st of 2027.

795
01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:11,970
Those policies are subject to state approval, and they must be submitted accordingly.

796
01:17:11,970 --> 01:17:13,030
So

797
01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:23,140
what I'm hoping tonight is that council's decision is based on the value of the system

798
01:17:23,140 --> 01:17:26,980
specifically to process and not just what other cities are doing.

799
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:32,300
You'll see in another slide I did capture what some of the other cities around us are

800
01:17:32,300 --> 01:17:39,040
doing and but I'm hoping that the decision tonight or the direction is that it's based on

801
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,620
the value that's specific to process.

802
01:17:40,620 --> 01:17:48,320
My recommendation would be that we ask the chief and his staff to put together a performance

803
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:54,800
report, where we can look at the number of investigations that this software has helped

804
01:17:54,800 --> 01:18:01,160
assist in, if there were stolen vehicles that were located, if there were arrests or charges

805
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:07,940
that were supported by utilizing this software, that we can point back to that and show a clear

806
01:18:07,940 --> 01:18:11,380
picture of how this actually helped our police department.

807
01:18:14,530 --> 01:18:20,970
Would you go back on the screen on that screen, maybe 1, 2, 3, 4th vendor point.

808
01:18:22,150 --> 01:18:23,090
4th vendor point.

809
01:18:23,290 --> 01:18:27,470
And there must provide controls for providing unauthorized sharing access, including access

810
01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:30,190
by unauthorized federal civil immigration agency.

811
01:18:31,390 --> 01:18:34,210
Is ICE considered authorized or unauthorized?

812
01:18:34,410 --> 01:18:35,010
Unauthorized.

813
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:36,430
They are unauthorized.

814
01:18:36,770 --> 01:18:37,370
Unauthorized.

815
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:42,370
So the information files go in here and they want information we don't give it to them.

816
01:18:42,490 --> 01:18:42,810
That is correct.

817
01:18:43,870 --> 01:18:45,090
That is the state law.

818
01:18:45,490 --> 01:18:46,470
Third one down.

819
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:50,710
We're taking a longer than 21 days, subject to specific statutory exception.

820
01:18:51,930 --> 01:18:56,710
Those exceptions would be, for instance, if there's an active investigation going on.

821
01:18:56,770 --> 01:18:58,110
So they can keep the reporting correct.

822
01:18:58,950 --> 01:19:04,450
And then my next question is, and I think that's, we've always had this question is, who...

823
01:19:08,930 --> 01:19:30,870
No, so that is part of the rules that has recently changed is that there was a lot in the state about what is defined as a public record and what is not in the state ultimately actually I'm going to ask Ben to speak to this one specifically because there was some a Lakewood case law where Lakewood appealed and then one.

824
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:36,210
the case. Ben, can you speak to that one? Sorry, I put you on the spot.

825
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:41,730
No, because I didn't hear the question. She wasn't close enough to the microphone.

826
01:19:42,370 --> 01:19:42,850
Sorry.

827
01:19:45,310 --> 01:19:45,870
What are you saying?

828
01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:55,510
Record versus can an average citizen request the license plate readers report?

829
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:08,000
they can request anything they want. Whether or not they will be able to

830
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:15,760
receive that is a different story. Typically, that in Lisa Washington State is

831
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:24,180
considered personal private information, so that would not necessarily be

832
01:20:24,180 --> 01:20:33,460
accessible to the public. Part of the reason is, well, there are a number of reasons, but

833
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:41,740
similar to health or private information that could identify a person from the public

834
01:20:41,740 --> 01:20:50,180
who is not under investigation or during an active investigation are things that can be

835
01:20:50,180 --> 01:20:56,440
redacted in those responsive records, but

836
01:20:59,740 --> 01:21:10,220
if there was a license plate that was allowed

837
01:21:10,220 --> 01:21:19,360
to go through in a responsive record, if that license plate was attached to personal

838
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:26,740
identifiable information, for instance, my name, my address, my license plate, that would

839
01:21:26,740 --> 01:21:39,060
be a very likely opportunity for someone to file a complaint because there was information

840
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:44,400
given that should not have been given by whatever the jurisdiction was that gave out that information.

841
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:54,360
So, I mean, it longs for a short to say that none of that information will get out or that it can't, it shouldn't.

842
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,580
But those things do happen.

843
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,000
Oh, really?

844
01:22:02,620 --> 01:22:03,920
So it's not definite, no.

845
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:08,420
Yeah, I mean, there's various ways.

846
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:10,140
Yes,

847
01:22:12,540 --> 01:22:18,720
but those ways also, I mean, it's similar to health information if it gets out.

848
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:24,400
it could slip by and get out, but then there is a lot of liability that comes with that.

849
01:22:26,220 --> 01:22:34,880
So part of the update in the Senate Bill 60002 is that it defined license plate information

850
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:40,520
as no longer what is considered public information and not disclosed for the general public.

851
01:22:41,780 --> 01:22:50,160
That obviously came in effect after Council directed me to deactivate the cameras, so that's new.

852
01:22:52,880 --> 01:23:03,420
Also new in the rules is that only law enforcement that is authorized to request that information can obtain that information.

853
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:08,260
So we locally have permissions that we can put in place within the system.

854
01:23:08,260 --> 01:23:15,740
Chief can say, for instance, that he only wants to share the information with our regional

855
01:23:15,740 --> 01:23:21,120
law enforcement, meaning out of state law enforcement can't just request the information.

856
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:27,340
It has to be for an active identified investigation for law enforcement purposes only.

857
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:34,440
So Chief can say, I select the city of Kennewick, the city of Richland and Benton County Sheriff's

858
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:36,820
Office to share the information with if they request.

859
01:23:36,820 --> 01:23:42,000
So that's part of the changes that came in to play earlier this spring as well.

860
01:23:42,740 --> 01:23:43,560
Go ahead, Julie.

861
01:23:43,700 --> 01:23:43,800
Yes.

862
01:23:44,340 --> 01:23:44,440
Oh.

863
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,380
I think you've had it sound a person.

864
01:23:46,780 --> 01:23:48,080
Okay, with that statement then.

865
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,780
If you're picking on Kenwick,

866
01:23:52,180 --> 01:23:55,400
if Kenwick has permission to utilize earth lock.

867
01:23:56,660 --> 01:23:59,660
And they want to give it non-authorized.

868
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:00,300
Can they do that?

869
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:01,000
No.

870
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:02,700
State one.

871
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:04,480
That is it.

872
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:05,940
Sorry, go ahead then.

873
01:24:08,020 --> 01:24:18,580
I think the big piece of that that may not be understood is any of those organizations

874
01:24:18,580 --> 01:24:20,160
can request the information.

875
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:26,280
The state has said, all right, cities, you are not to give that information out.

876
01:24:27,060 --> 01:24:35,480
So if ICE or Texas State Patrol calls, if they are not authorized, and some of those

877
01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:42,500
Authorizations are the state to say, I believe most of those are just federal agencies.

878
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:51,060
But the state may also have, this is what I don't recall fully, is may also have said

879
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:59,420
if those agencies allow federal agencies access to their information, then they are unauthorized.

880
01:24:59,420 --> 01:25:08,700
And so that is where the state has stepped in and said, this is what we are not going

881
01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:09,240
to allow.

882
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:17,880
And that is outside agencies, specifically federal agencies, access to these records

883
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,200
through our jurisdictions.

884
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,720
I think this is a non authorized federal civil and immigration agency.

885
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:28,920
How come they keep arresting people?

886
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:36,820
Perhaps they're getting leads elsewhere. I'm not sure that we can answer that question.

887
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,500
Not using flock.

888
01:25:39,700 --> 01:25:41,560
Yeah, it's not coming from Washington.

889
01:25:41,900 --> 01:25:45,920
Well, presumably it's not coming from Washington.

890
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,720
Jurisdiction's flock camera information.

891
01:25:49,260 --> 01:25:53,780
Yes, that's an important note that this is specific to Washington state law.

892
01:25:53,780 --> 01:26:00,990
I have a question. So I thought we already voted that we wanted to get rid of

893
01:26:00,990 --> 01:26:05,410
a flock cameras. So are we bringing this back up? Or I guess I'm not sure.

894
01:26:05,870 --> 01:26:13,790
So when we spoke in January, the direction at that time was to deactivate the

895
01:26:13,790 --> 01:26:18,870
cameras. And then I committed to bringing this back to council prior to

896
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:25,470
council budget discussions. We have a contract with them until November

897
01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:32,010
of this year. When we had initially discussed that two year renewing that two year contract,

898
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:36,950
we had some members of the community who came and spoke to us about their concerns about the

899
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:46,290
cameras and at the time the concerns that the residents had and some of the council members had

900
01:26:46,290 --> 01:26:53,630
were that other agencies outside of our police department could potentially have access to the data

901
01:26:53,630 --> 01:26:59,730
And we were told that absolutely not, only our police department can look into the data

902
01:27:00,350 --> 01:27:04,710
and only to investigate a suspected crime.

903
01:27:05,490 --> 01:27:11,510
And since that time, we have found out that not only did a federal agency access the data

904
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:19,510
without our police department being aware of it, but a Texas Sheriff's Office out of Johnson County,

905
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:26,070
Texas access process data looking for a woman who had had an abortion in Texas which is illegal

906
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:31,090
in Texas and they were looking for her and they looked for her in our database without the knowledge

907
01:27:31,090 --> 01:27:40,870
of our police department. Not just our other tri-city agencies as well. So I'm concerned we had

908
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:48,290
these questions they were answered and then we saw activity completely to the contrary of what had

909
01:27:48,290 --> 01:27:56,710
been answered to us to suage our concerns. So to me, it seems like more about that. I'm not

910
01:27:56,710 --> 01:28:01,670
understanding. Meaning we had asked, can this data be used by anybody other than our police

911
01:28:01,670 --> 01:28:04,730
department? They said, no, absolutely not. And then we found out that it was used by multiple

912
01:28:04,730 --> 01:28:10,790
agencies outside of our police department. If you recall what I reported during that time,

913
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:15,390
what occurred is there was a software update. And through that software update, there was

914
01:28:15,390 --> 01:28:23,310
I don't know how to describe this very well, other than to say a switch was toggled on during

915
01:28:23,310 --> 01:28:32,790
the update that was not in control of our, it was not in our control. When that was made aware,

916
01:28:33,130 --> 01:28:39,010
I brought that to you guys and that's when you told me to deactivate. So we were told by

917
01:28:39,010 --> 01:28:42,190
a block that that was not something that could happen.

918
01:28:42,370 --> 01:28:45,650
It happened through an update, a software update.

919
01:28:47,250 --> 01:28:50,810
There was, there was, there was, they have put safeguards

920
01:28:50,810 --> 01:28:51,310
in place.

921
01:28:51,570 --> 01:28:54,350
The vendor has told us that that would not happen again.

922
01:28:55,450 --> 01:28:57,690
The safeguards considering we were concerned

923
01:28:57,690 --> 01:28:59,910
about the exact thing that ended up happening,

924
01:29:00,070 --> 01:29:02,190
the safeguards could have and should have been in place

925
01:29:02,190 --> 01:29:04,130
already and they were not.

926
01:29:04,130 --> 01:29:13,670
So, we are spending $3,000 per camera per year just to use the software just to rent the service.

927
01:29:15,810 --> 01:29:22,890
I think the track record is poor here, and I feel like those funds could potentially be used

928
01:29:22,890 --> 01:29:29,210
in a better way within our justice funds. There's other things that we can do with that.

929
01:29:32,050 --> 01:29:32,650
We can put

930
01:29:32,650 --> 01:29:37,370
that towards preventative youth recreation, like there's many other things that we can do to improve

931
01:29:37,370 --> 01:29:42,030
public safety in our community that doesn't involve giving this company with a poor track record

932
01:29:42,030 --> 01:29:49,050
more of our public dollars. Yes. When that report came out from the researchers that you dab

933
01:29:49,050 --> 01:29:54,250
that put the article together, they were able to obtain the information through a records request.

934
01:29:54,890 --> 01:29:59,970
That's how they identified, that's how we were made aware that essentially our data was breached.

935
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:30,220
It was not something that internally we had any control of or were even made aware of by flock itself. So yes, I'm an agreement. I have a question, Gary. Go ahead, Bill. Okay. So, so what what the plan is before we before we vote on it in in council is is to get a report from from the chief and and get all get all the information that's available.

936
01:30:30,220 --> 01:30:44,200
available as far as as far as what the floor camera are our vote itself. I think I think that that will be imperative in order for me to reconcile what's what's going on here anyway.

937
01:30:45,660 --> 01:30:49,360
And when are we anticipating that to be done?

938
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:57,200
That is up for discussion tonight. So that's part of the next slide is I have a decision matrix in there.

939
01:30:57,940 --> 01:31:04,980
You guys direct me if that's something that you are interested in in order to come to an informed decision.

940
01:31:05,500 --> 01:31:09,240
Then I will work with chief and his staff to get that information.

941
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,380
I can tell you it is no small task.

942
01:31:12,380 --> 01:31:19,760
No, this is important, there is a lot of people in the community that don't want anything

943
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,020
to do with it because of the privacy issues.

944
01:31:23,540 --> 01:31:28,920
And like Maricella just said, if it happened before, it can happen again.

945
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:34,880
So all that has to be taken into play, but we certainly need to know the positive information

946
01:31:35,780 --> 01:31:39,200
as in what it's done and what it can do.

947
01:31:55,520 --> 01:32:06,800
Okay, so we talked about the recommendations, the conditions that the transitions. I think we went over that. The decision matrix. I don't need to read that to you.

948
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:13,420
So, you know, there's pros and cons again listed and the factors, the things that we need

949
01:32:13,420 --> 01:32:14,560
to take into consideration.

950
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,780
Public safety, privacy, legal compliance, the cost associated with it.

951
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:25,120
Public trust, we've heard from a number of citizens both here in the council meeting written,

952
01:32:25,820 --> 01:32:27,380
as well as our social media.

953
01:32:27,620 --> 01:32:33,500
And I can say that that's true of all of the agencies that are using this type of software.

954
01:32:35,900 --> 01:32:47,190
So if we can skip forward to what the other cities are doing, so I just took a quick look at some of some of the cities.

955
01:32:47,370 --> 01:32:59,610
So the city of Tuck Willa ultimately decided to renegotiate their contract with flock and aligned it with the house bill with the new changes or excuse me, the Senate bill.

956
01:32:59,610 --> 01:33:29,850
Brenton did the same. They described block cameras or the automated license plate recognition as an investigative tool that emphasized access controls audits and deletion requirements and ever it the same on the contrary. Redmond decided to suspend all of their use of the cameras and terminate its contract and its entirety their council voted 70.

957
01:33:29,850 --> 01:33:39,770
role. Walla Walla, very similar to Procer, deactivated or suspended their cameras in January

958
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:44,090
and have not removed their equipment to date, very similar to us.

959
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:51,160
And exactly is the contract over November 1 or November 30?

960
01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:59,300
Oh, I think I included it in the information that I provided to miss.

961
01:34:04,810 --> 01:34:05,410
I pulled out. I don't

962
01:34:05,410 --> 01:34:07,690
I don't know if it's November 1st or November 30th,

963
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:11,550
but for some reason, November 26th is sicking in my mind.

964
01:34:12,010 --> 01:34:13,010
Thanks for giving me your hungry.

965
01:34:13,690 --> 01:34:14,230
I know.

966
01:34:14,850 --> 01:34:16,730
I don't even know if it's going to be fine.

967
01:34:18,330 --> 01:34:20,210
Just curious, because if we want to get that report

968
01:34:20,210 --> 01:34:22,830
and it takes a long time, do we, you know?

969
01:34:23,550 --> 01:34:23,710
Correct.

970
01:34:24,630 --> 01:34:26,730
Yeah, I will definitely have that day.

971
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:27,650
It's in front of me.

972
01:34:27,650 --> 01:34:28,950
I'm skimming the agreement.

973
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:33,210
But the requirement to terminate the contract

974
01:34:33,210 --> 01:34:38,410
Act is 30 days prior to, so it's coming up very quick.

975
01:34:38,690 --> 01:34:39,210
Two weeks.

976
01:34:42,010 --> 01:34:43,570
I'll get that date for you.

977
01:34:44,810 --> 01:34:46,410
Okay, so that is that,

978
01:34:49,100 --> 01:34:54,680
okay, so Council reactivates the cameras.

979
01:34:54,980 --> 01:35:03,420
The consideration would be $55,000 for 2027, and we would have to go through a number of

980
01:35:03,420 --> 01:35:09,680
requirements to come in compliance with the new Senate bill and also put together a policy

981
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:14,800
that we would bring forward to Council for approval as well. That ultimately goes to the state

982
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:23,560
for approval. If we canceled it, we would not include the 65,000 specifically for this and

983
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:29,180
Council could opt to redirect those funds to another Council priority as Council member Sanchez

984
01:35:29,180 --> 01:35:35,860
suggested and we could consider and investigate or excuse me investing in

985
01:35:35,860 --> 01:35:38,880
alternatives for public safety.

986
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:45,100
I put together a number of questions for

987
01:35:45,100 --> 01:35:51,920
council to consider when making this decision. Those questions are in front of

988
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:57,920
you. I'll read them if you want. I don't think we have answers to them Rachel. I

989
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:58,820
I sure don't know.

990
01:36:00,020 --> 01:36:00,520
Number one.

991
01:36:00,580 --> 01:36:00,820
I agreed.

992
01:36:01,300 --> 01:36:01,420
Yeah.

993
01:36:01,780 --> 01:36:03,320
So I think we need the Chiefs report.

994
01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:08,880
And one other thing.

995
01:36:09,380 --> 01:36:10,120
I just want to mention,

996
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:11,260
Tuck Will and Renton.

997
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:13,720
I worked with the Seattle Transportation.

998
01:36:15,660 --> 01:36:19,720
And there's some very serious criminal activity going on in those communities.

999
01:36:19,940 --> 01:36:21,660
So, you know, I can see the benefit.

1000
01:36:21,820 --> 01:36:23,840
And I know we've got issues here as well.

1001
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,020
But those two towns have some really serious.

1002
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:29,560
So I can see where that would be.

1003
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:31,340
Probably a big benefit to them.

1004
01:36:31,340 --> 01:36:34,880
So, I don't think those are necessarily comfortable to prosper.

1005
01:36:35,820 --> 01:36:36,160
Yes.

1006
01:36:37,620 --> 01:36:38,360
Agreed.

1007
01:36:39,140 --> 01:36:50,040
Rachel, when would we put a timeline on the report, the data from FLOC, from the place department?

1008
01:36:52,850 --> 01:37:02,410
So, as I mentioned, getting this report and this data is not easy, particularly,

1009
01:37:02,410 --> 01:37:08,690
early because as I mentioned earlier, the bad guys don't know when they cross city limit

1010
01:37:08,690 --> 01:37:09,450
lines, right?

1011
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:16,090
And so some of the times when flock has been utilized by, for instance, Benton County

1012
01:37:16,090 --> 01:37:24,570
Sheriff's Office, our agency provides a lot of backup to Benton County Sheriff's Department.

1013
01:37:24,570 --> 01:37:42,630
And so when flock is utilized out in the county to help support investigating a crime, although our guys might have supported that call or whatever it was, we can't necessarily track the camera use.

1014
01:37:43,410 --> 01:37:48,570
So it will require staff to go through a number of records and a number of

1015
01:37:48,570 --> 01:37:53,700
of investigations to pull that data.

1016
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:59,760
So I would defer to Chief to talk about his staff's capacity

1017
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,320
to pull that, and I would also invite Chief

1018
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:05,260
to come up and speak about his recommendation

1019
01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:07,740
for his department about the software.

1020
01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:11,400
I think part of the data we were looking for come up, Chief,

1021
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:18,040
is anything specific that was.

1022
01:38:19,020 --> 01:38:22,620
where the cameras were actually used, the data.

1023
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,540
First, do you guys have any questions from me?

1024
01:38:28,860 --> 01:38:32,800
Here's a question when I was just speaking to,

1025
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:37,620
is there data available from our block database

1026
01:38:37,620 --> 01:38:44,300
that you can draw a bright line from a particular crime

1027
01:38:44,300 --> 01:38:52,920
or a particular offense that happened and that we can go right to the database and say we used

1028
01:38:52,920 --> 01:39:01,500
flock for this particular crime or investigation. Not that I know of. I don't think we have a search

1029
01:39:01,500 --> 01:39:07,140
mechanism that can just automatically capture that information, but I'll talk to Christy. She's

1030
01:39:07,140 --> 01:39:10,380
to know it all on that. She'll be the one to clearly answer that question.

1031
01:39:10,380 --> 01:39:15,880
All right, because my thinking is, and you go to Christie and do the question, my thinking

1032
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:21,040
is that flock hasn't been used a lot, correct me if I'm wrong?

1033
01:39:21,340 --> 01:39:22,180
You're correct about that.

1034
01:39:22,940 --> 01:39:30,340
In the, as a tool to solve crimes or be part of investigations.

1035
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:31,920
That's right.

1036
01:39:32,340 --> 01:39:32,560
Okay.

1037
01:39:32,860 --> 01:39:39,380
By the time all 20 cameras were made operational and the time frame that Council directed

1038
01:39:39,380 --> 01:39:46,000
us to deactivate them was less than a year. So, not a whole lot of... When we discussed it,

1039
01:39:46,060 --> 01:39:52,960
I remember one of the incidents that was reported to us as a plus, like hay flock helped us to

1040
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:59,900
solve this crime, was the... There was theft of some sort of a recreational vehicle, like an ATV

1041
01:39:59,900 --> 01:40:05,320
or a four-wheeler snowmobile, something like that. But the recreational vehicle was from

1042
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:10,620
house outside of city limits, but that that was presented to us as like look it

1043
01:40:10,620 --> 01:40:16,580
helped us to track down this stolen item and we were able to get it back to

1044
01:40:16,580 --> 01:40:17,040
its owners.

1045
01:40:19,340 --> 01:40:25,320
Why is the city paying 65,000 a year to me that didn't seem like a

1046
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:30,360
good use like a good tradeoff like it's a lot of money that we're putting in.

1047
01:40:33,460 --> 01:40:33,900
I'm

1048
01:40:33,900 --> 01:40:36,520
that crime didn't even happen within city limits.

1049
01:40:37,460 --> 01:40:40,200
Another one that caught a little bit more limelight,

1050
01:40:40,220 --> 01:40:43,240
of course, was the illegal dumping at Jubilee Ministries.

1051
01:40:43,480 --> 01:40:46,300
And that was a very

1052
01:40:48,410 --> 01:40:50,570
case that we could point

1053
01:40:50,570 --> 01:40:52,930
to the use of flock cameras to help solve the crime.

1054
01:40:53,210 --> 01:40:56,590
What I'm the point that I was making is,

1055
01:40:59,510 --> 01:41:02,130
I don't think it's gonna be terribly complicated

1056
01:41:02,130 --> 01:41:05,670
to do this report because there's not a very many instances

1057
01:41:05,670 --> 01:41:09,090
where there's a bright line drawn to the use of these cameras.

1058
01:41:09,490 --> 01:41:15,230
It is complicated, Rachel is correct to sift through all that information,

1059
01:41:15,530 --> 01:41:19,390
but I don't think that we're going to see a big report

1060
01:41:20,710 --> 01:41:26,470
that outlines flock with investigations and crimes.

1061
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:30,010
Anyway, we've got to have a line around the time frame.

1062
01:41:30,010 --> 01:41:33,730
We've got to have the information and that's why I said,

1063
01:41:33,730 --> 01:41:49,110
If it's November the first, it's coming right up, you know that doubt has got to get to to council now kind of interrupted you chief my apology you have an opinion on this or opinions.

1064
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:59,010
I spoke to Chrissy today, Scott or rate and Tom Forsyth on this.

1065
01:42:00,130 --> 01:42:05,970
There's a lot of negative, negative publicity around the misuse of flock by law enforcement.

1066
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:14,170
And right now, the consensus of the police department of those three other individuals

1067
01:42:14,170 --> 01:42:16,830
is that we do not move forward with flock.

1068
01:42:18,710 --> 01:42:19,210
All right.

1069
01:42:19,650 --> 01:42:27,670
My idea behind it is, I'd rather put that money towards patrol officers instead of

1070
01:42:27,670 --> 01:42:31,910
technology. I believe that's where the money needs to be located.

1071
01:42:32,510 --> 01:42:35,990
Well, any questions for Chief or comments?

1072
01:42:37,810 --> 01:42:38,130
Thank you.

1073
01:42:41,500 --> 01:42:42,680
Thank you. Thank you, Chief.

1074
01:42:44,140 --> 01:42:47,840
All right. Did you have any other slides to go through Rachel?

1075
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:49,320
No.

1076
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:57,940
So what we're looking for from Council is some direction.

1077
01:42:59,060 --> 01:43:04,780
on, and what I've heard so far is, let's look at some data, let's look at some reporting.

1078
01:43:06,220 --> 01:43:09,020
Well, a lot of my decision is going to be going off of the chief.

1079
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:09,620
Yes.

1080
01:43:10,060 --> 01:43:12,640
His recommendations, to be honest with you.

1081
01:43:13,060 --> 01:43:13,160
Okay.

1082
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:17,180
So it depends on that data.

1083
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:25,400
If it's different than what the chief wants, or recommends, I guess it's a better word.

1084
01:43:29,100 --> 01:43:31,820
It's going to be hard for me to go against the will of the chief.

1085
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:33,200
Very well.

1086
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:33,740
First data.

1087
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:35,540
I mean, he couldn't think of anything.

1088
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:37,480
I'll talk to this head that was like, oh, wow.

1089
01:43:37,580 --> 01:43:38,200
Look at what you brought.

1090
01:43:38,420 --> 01:43:39,260
You brought the biggest one up.

1091
01:43:40,460 --> 01:43:40,900
Thank you, Bill.

1092
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:42,340
See ya.

1093
01:43:42,500 --> 01:43:42,840
Jubilee.

1094
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:44,220
Yeah, that was big deal.

1095
01:43:46,440 --> 01:43:46,880
All right.

1096
01:43:51,300 --> 01:43:57,020
Any recommendations on directions to get to a decision council?

1097
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:02,080
I don't think I need to see report from the police department.

1098
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:04,260
The either.

1099
01:44:05,180 --> 01:44:08,180
Could we say it on that time if we're not inclined?

1100
01:44:09,260 --> 01:44:09,960
If I crime.

1101
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:21,060
I'm hearing three council members count. What was your? I don't need a report. Okay. That's four. I don't need flock.

1102
01:44:21,860 --> 01:44:33,740
You don't need flock. All right. So this was discussion. Yes. And we will bring back an action item for you.

1103
01:44:34,780 --> 01:44:51,160
you guys ready to take action. Sounds like it to me. Okay, very good. We'll bring that back at the next council meeting and I'll work with Tony to potentially allocate the 65,000 and bring options for you guys that'll come through the budget discussions.

1104
01:44:56,710 --> 01:44:57,830
I thought it was the right minute.

1105
01:44:57,930 --> 01:44:58,270
There you go.

1106
01:44:58,730 --> 01:44:59,970
So the funds for the-

1107
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,680
Our criminal justice funds and council is currently reserving all of those dollars for the police station project. So we will allocate or we continue to reserve those for the police station project until that is complete. Very good. There probably will be some more input from the community. It's pretty, it's pretty passionate on both sides. But regardless of that, we will bring forward an action item.

1108
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:38,380
for council. Julie. I'm sorry. So we had a drone fly right over the back of our building the

1109
01:45:38,380 --> 01:45:45,920
other day. And I guess all this brings up for me. Is that legal to do? I thought you couldn't do

1110
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:49,900
that. I drones in the city of browser over private property.

1111
01:45:52,180 --> 01:45:55,200
I am not aware of anything in the PMC

1112
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:57,880
that would preclude drones from flying around.

1113
01:45:58,420 --> 01:45:58,900
Okay.

1114
01:45:59,980 --> 01:46:04,560
Also, if somebody is sunbathing, like we have young women that play out there and sunbathe

1115
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:05,480
that's legal.

1116
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:06,520
Well?

1117
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:07,780
Do you know if it's against the law?

1118
01:46:18,700 --> 01:46:20,460
Do you want to come repeat yourself, John?

1119
01:46:20,460 --> 01:46:20,840
Sorry.

1120
01:46:21,220 --> 01:46:21,500
Sorry.

1121
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:22,660
Expectation of privacy.

1122
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:32,140
So, the question is, is there anything on the books that would prohibit drones from flying

1123
01:46:32,140 --> 01:46:33,340
over private property?

1124
01:46:33,980 --> 01:46:44,940
I don't believe so. I'm not an expert on private phones at all, but at this point I do not think so because otherwise we get constant calls on that.

1125
01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:46,440
Yeah.

1126
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:47,900
Thank you.

1127
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:49,440
Yeah.

1128
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:54,940
All right.

1129
01:46:54,940 --> 01:47:03,680
Council. Thank you. Is there anything else for the good of the order? Hearing none, then we shall

1130
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:04,280
Ella, I'm sure.

1131
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:05,500
Thank you.