1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,200 And I see someone's hand. I don't know who it is. 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:16,200 I've got two more emails on the way here. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,200 » Mhm. 4 00:00:18,340 --> 00:00:20,360 » [clears throat] 5 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,040 » Yeah, I I can do that. 6 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:50,560 » You move over here if you want. >> Do you want me to? 7 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,560 » So you're not so far away. 8 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,320 » Oh, wait. He's not here, either. 9 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,400 » Yeah. You know what? 10 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:03,851 » supposed to be here. >> She'll be here. [clears throat] 11 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,600 I did yeah. What time? Cuz I Scott and Mary's 12 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,400 He's dangerous. Okay, thanks Al. 13 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,840 Some days I'm home at that time. Usually once or twice a week. 14 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,280 » You're usually early. >> I work a late shift once a week and a 15 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,360 half. Friday Friday's are my day off. 16 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:34,240 » It's fine. What's your feeling that every week? 17 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:37,440 » Yeah, we get uh >> Yeah, you know I was thinking that this 18 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,480 would like squat down and I could never 19 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,160 » You got a gal with three poodles golden doodles that go 20 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,080 on the street sometimes. >> She got golden doodles. 21 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:51,040 » I >> If you don't own this psychic reading 22 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:54,760 psychic guy I think it's 23 00:02:52,959 --> 00:02:58,400 It's first south and first worst I think or worst center 24 00:02:56,920 --> 00:03:02,360 street. Two golden retrievers. He never put them 25 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:06,040 on a leash and he they just stay with them and they he they wouldn't go 26 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:12,600 running across to our dogs. They're in my in one of the three homes. 27 00:03:10,519 --> 00:03:17,160 And we >> Okay. 28 00:03:14,239 --> 00:03:17,160 » dogs and you know 29 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:23,400 They're always puppies too. >> Okay. 30 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:27,360 Um a little after 6:00. Apologize for being just a moment late. Uh I'm 31 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:33,560 Kathleen Alder. I'm the mayor of Providence and welcome 32 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:37,320 to the Wednesday, June 17th 2026 meeting. 33 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:41,920 Um We appreciate all of you being here. We 34 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,519 always like participation. Um 35 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:49,880 so we'll go ahead and get started 36 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:53,400 with a roll call. We have Scott Campbell. 37 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,920 Janelle Seeley. >> I'm 38 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,920 I'm Finch. 39 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:06,120 David Coons, and Brent Speth is on Zoom. 40 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:09,480 Carrie Kirk is excused tonight. She's in Africa. 41 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,720 So, I said, "Are you sure you're going to be 42 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:16,680 safe there?" And she said, "I think so." So, 43 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:21,959 let's hope that there she's not in a place where they're having 44 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:27,240 um Ebola. So, um 45 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:32,400 I've asked David Coons if he would lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. So, if 46 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,400 you would stand. 47 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:43,640 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the 48 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:49,880 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 49 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,880 justice for all. 50 00:04:53,960 --> 00:05:00,800 » Okay, we do have a quorum because we've got Brent on the 51 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:00,800 um 52 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:06,680 on Zoom. So, I've asked Scott Campbell if he would 53 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:11,760 give us a prayer tonight unless there's someone in the audience that would like 54 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:16,480 to give a a thought or a prayer. Okay? 55 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,480 Got it. Thank you. 56 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:22,240 » Our heavenly Father, we are grateful for the many blessings that thou has given 57 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:26,720 us. We're grateful to live where we do, where we have relative peace. 58 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,760 We're grateful for our good neighbors and for the 59 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:34,919 good that they desire to do, and the good works that they do. 60 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:39,600 We're grateful for the opportunity to discuss the needs of our our city, our 61 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:43,120 wonderful city. We pray that thou wouldst guide us that we make good 62 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,480 decisions. And we pray for these things in the name 63 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,440 of Jesus Christ. Amen. >> Amen. 64 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:54,720 Thank you. Um let's go to council reports. We've 65 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:59,400 got a 13-item agenda tonight. So, we want to move ahead and and go 66 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,000 quickly. So, 67 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:05,480 David, you want to start? >> Sure. 68 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Um let's see. During the last month, I've 69 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:13,400 been able to uh help clean up the cemetery with the 70 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:16,629 staff and that was from Memorial Day. This was a different project than the 71 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,560 one I always talk about, but >> [laughter] 72 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:20,960 » um cleaning up the flowers and things that were 73 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,480 dying and needed to be removed and that's always good to 74 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:28,200 work with them and and see how hard everybody works and and just another 75 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,520 opportunity to volunteer and and to serve. 76 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:37,120 Um I was able to go to a meeting through the ULCT in North Logan. It was just a 77 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:41,520 couple of hours. They talked about um legislation versus policy and and 78 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:46,800 some other things about a good discussion and good training to be at. 79 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:50,440 Um the mosquito fogging is in full swing. It just started at the beginning 80 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,560 of the month. So, we had some questions about that come up 81 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:59,000 earlier that people are being bothered by them and hopefully that they'll that 82 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:03,600 will literally die down now, I hope, a little bit. Um 83 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:07,640 as far as the Just Serve project, we still have ongoing projects and and suc- 84 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:12,160 success with people signing up wanting to serve. 85 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:17,400 Canyon cleanups and the cemetery project I brought up before and others. Um 86 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:20,120 Scott, I'll let you report on if if that's 87 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,840 in your notes, I guess, but there's some other things coming up with in 88 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:28,480 conjunction with America 250 and um I'll leave it at that. 89 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,480 » Thank you. 90 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:35,360 Gina? >> Um I worked with staff a little bit to 91 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:41,640 refine um and fine-tune our Safe Routes to School plans as we're transitioning 92 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:45,320 um different school boundaries and walking paths for Providence Elementary 93 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:51,840 and what will soon be Spring Creek Elementary. Um 94 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:55,360 I am chairing the fun run for Sauerkraut Days. 95 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:59,480 So, I've been working on that. Um on the note of Sauerkraut Days, they are 96 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:03,240 looking for volunteers to cut cabbage on the 27th of June. 97 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:07,120 Um they have a big commercial kitchen out at Bridgerland. Um 98 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:11,520 BATC, it's like on the corner of 10th West and 1400 North. So, 99 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:15,160 if you are interested and willing to participate in a long-standing 100 00:08:12,919 --> 00:08:18,280 tradition, we'll take all the manpower we can. I think 101 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:23,080 that they say I think last year they did 300 lb of cabbage. So, 102 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:26,240 it's a lot of a lot of slicing. Um anybody interested? 103 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,720 Scott Dun. Um 104 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:36,440 » It was fun. I had a good time. I met I got to interact with some neighbors. 105 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:39,159 And uh I thought it was a great time. >> Yeah, I think I think Brent Speth's 106 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:43,400 going to be there. >> Yeah, I'll be there. 107 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:48,640 » [laughter] >> Um I attended um LPC, which is the leg- 108 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,360 legislative policy committee for the interim session for the state 109 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,080 legislature. Um that's pretty much what I've been 110 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:58,560 doing and responding to lots of emails. 111 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:02,200 So. Okay, thank you. >> Um since we do have 13 items, I will be 112 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:08,160 a little briefer than I originally planned. Uh Cache Trails, uh I um had a 113 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:11,680 meeting on the 9th, went over There's nothing no huge issues. There's a few 114 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,080 challenges that they're going through. Just I just want to report on a couple 115 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,280 things that uh going over the Malibu project they've been working on. They 116 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:23,000 actually have an end date on it now finally for So, uh November 4th. They're 117 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:26,200 making really good prog- progress. There's a Hyrum Reservoir project. 118 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:30,240 They've run into a couple little snags with a couple uh property owners. And 119 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:34,040 so, they're focusing at a different part of the the trail there on the east side 120 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,760 of uh the reservoir. 121 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:43,360 Um and they're getting ready to start that. Uh, let's see. Um, 122 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:45,920 Bear Creek Lodge Trail is moving along. There's just a lot of down trees, so 123 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,160 it's probably going to take most of the summer to clear that out and complete 124 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,040 the project or complete the construction. 125 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:58,600 Uh, America 250, I'll talk about that for just a moment. We are looking to do 126 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:03,800 some stuff, uh, some service hours, and so we're looking for some 127 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:09,000 potential service projects. And so I've spoken with David about some options 128 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:13,360 there, and uh, I'll have a conversation with the mayor and see if we can 129 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:17,920 solidify some of that. And uh, what the kind of the idea is 200, since we're 130 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:23,240 celebrating America 250, we want to see if Province will put in 250 volunteer 131 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:28,880 service hours between before the city celebration and 132 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:32,240 report them. And let us know a little bit what we can do, and then we can 133 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:37,160 celebrate what they've accomplished with at at least 250 service hours. 134 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:42,800 And uh, Healthy Utah Community Designation, I 135 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:48,160 let us not sign up for that last time, and they had a deadline in uh, 136 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,720 March, I think it was. And I let us not sign up for that 137 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,839 because I was trying to figure out what's in it for us. What's in it for 138 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:58,680 Province? Well, as I've looked into it during that time, hey, give me a break. 139 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:01,800 I was new, right? So, I looked at it, and I think it's actually worthwhile 140 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,920 project. It's a good thing to be designated a healthy city and get 141 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:09,120 involved in the community in helping people become more healthy, and there's 142 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:12,760 a lot of options for that. So, I'm just putting it out there. 143 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:17,160 Um, I know we have a very active community when there's a hot topic, but 144 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,640 uh, if you want to help Province become more 145 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,480 healthy and be on a committee, the commitment would be meet at least once 146 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:27,400 quarterly, um, help with some certain little 147 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:31,800 projects, and um, we need a committee of at least four 148 00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:35,520 people. I would like at least four besides me on that committee. So, if 149 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:39,200 anyone in the audience in the or online would 150 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:44,040 like to participate in something like that, please reach out to me and let's 151 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:49,560 chat. And that's it. Thanks. >> Okay, his number's on the website. 152 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:53,000 Um so, and is your email I is your number on there? Just your email? 153 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,923 » thought my email's on there. If not, people are calling me, so 154 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,240 someone's got my phone number >> [laughter] 155 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,440 » and I'm good with that. I don't have a problem with you calling me. 156 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,960 » Been published. Okay. 157 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:04,920 Um just a a quick little update. I've been 158 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:08,440 working, you know, 159 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:16,000 down on the highway, um in front of Discount Tire 160 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:19,760 and the the medical clinic that's there. We're missing some sidewalk. 161 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:24,160 And I watch people in the wintertime trying to navigate getting walking along 162 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,280 there and there's snow and ice and cars rushing 163 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,520 by. And so, I have worked with both of the 164 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:36,480 the uh landowners right there 165 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:40,280 and we've got letters that say, "Yes, we would like to have a sidewalk." So, 166 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,760 we'll let you not know. We'll work with them and get a grant 167 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:48,800 and be able to put that sidewalk in so that people are not walking out on the 168 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,360 on the street. Um seems like we see more and more 169 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:58,000 people that are that are walking as we're talking about 170 00:12:54,880 --> 00:13:00,760 uh how expensive gas and transportation is. 171 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:06,480 Um today I had an opportunity to speak with 172 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:10,160 the Kiwanis Club about Providence. Just telling them a little bit about our 173 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:15,520 history and our background. And I 174 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:19,240 had them watch the video and and I'm going to ask if any of you've seen it. 175 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:24,000 It's about the canyon and the limestone quarry that's 176 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:26,960 up there. Has anybody watched that? >> I have. 177 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:31,280 » Okay. It's fascinating. 178 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:35,720 Um it's under historic commission and it's it's about sauerkraut. 179 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,920 Um they talk about 180 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:45,400 the the um sugar beets and how they were 181 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:49,080 used to make sugar and how we used limestone 182 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:53,800 to do that. Uh it was quarried out of there with horses and then it was 183 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,720 then and it we had trucks. Anyway, it's fascinating. 184 00:13:55,160 --> 00:14:03,120 And it was interesting to talk to this group and and show them what Providence 185 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:07,920 added to this valley and to the community. 186 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:12,600 Um my job is always to be out in the public and going to meetings and and 187 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:17,320 making sure that people know who we are and 188 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:23,440 um it's nice for me to be able to call um our representatives in the 189 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:29,040 in the United States Senate and Congress and uh to call our local 190 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:33,560 leaders and have them take the call and know who we are and know what we do. So, 191 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:38,520 um I do a lot of that. 192 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:43,200 Don't need to bring all of that up today um because we want to move ahead. So, 193 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:47,520 Brent, what have you got a report for us? Can you do 194 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,560 that? He's He's on his way to Salt Lake, so. 195 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,520 » I Yes. I 196 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:58,960 attended the emergency management meeting and uh 197 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:04,800 with uh this county and uh 198 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:09,440 I uh there's not much to report on that. They went through a lot of things, but 199 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:13,520 it's just kind of ongoing stuff. And uh 200 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:18,760 I also have just been inundated with work about the uh 201 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:24,440 the ring of that's been a big deal. 202 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,960 Anyway, that's about what all I can report right now. 203 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:31,640 » Okay. Thank you. 204 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:35,240 We'll go ahead and close that item 205 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:39,160 and go to item number one, approval of minutes. Providence City Council 206 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:45,680 consider and approve for approval the minutes of May 20th, 2026. 207 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:48,400 So, I will entertain and a 208 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,240 motion. >> I'll make a motion to approve the 209 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:55,360 minutes from May 20th, 2026. >> Okay, we have a motion. 210 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Second by um David. 211 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:07,640 Any questions? Any changes? Just a great big thanks to Ty 212 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,240 for such a good job that he does on them. 213 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,040 All in favor? >> I. 214 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,040 » I. 215 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,760 » Did you say I? Brent? 216 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:24,200 » I. >> Okay. That's okay. 217 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:28,440 Thank you. Motion passes. Um 218 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:31,680 close that item and go to item number two. 219 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:36,000 We're going to be talking about public hearings tonight. 220 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:40,040 We have a public hearing for our 2026 budget. 221 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,120 Um we'll take comments and questions from 222 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:48,839 the public regarding the request to adjust the fiscal year. That's our 223 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:51,760 budget that we're working on now. Um 224 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:55,640 Brian, what would you like to say about this? 225 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:59,320 » Yeah, let me kind of do a little introductory. 226 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:05,680 So, at the end of each year, what we do is we we look at 227 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:09,480 our revenue and and see where where that revenue is has gone over what we 228 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:12,920 projected it to be. And then we have a few items that may 229 00:17:11,199 --> 00:17:16,120 have come in that expense would have have trended 230 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:21,400 higher than we expected. 231 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:25,319 So, the general fund is our 10 funds or general fund here. 232 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:29,120 We had an additional through a few different things, state grants. You'll 233 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:33,800 see the state grant came in. Other various things 234 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:38,480 had we over ran the revenue by about 608,000. 235 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:44,280 And then we've had a few little off expenses. So, E911 is population 236 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:48,720 resident based. So, it's tracked higher. 237 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:52,960 You know, there's been a few other little things that have tracked higher. 238 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:58,600 But overall, we we had about 239 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:02,560 300,000 in expense. So, we transferred the rest of that 388,000 240 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,840 into our um 241 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:10,360 uh in our capital projects fund. So, at 242 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:13,640 that point the revenue and expense in the general fund balance again balances 243 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:18,080 out. So, while we had a few um extra ones 244 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:24,640 come in, we still had an extra 300,000 388,000 to 245 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:28,000 transfer our general fund. Um the general the capital projects 246 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,880 fund, we had some extra revenue. 247 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:35,600 Had a few extra expenses, but at that point at the end of the day, we're 248 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:40,600 within that $12,000 or just above $12,000 difference there 249 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:44,800 in revenue. So, on the positive side. Um on the water side, our revenue came 250 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:49,200 in higher than than our little 251 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:54,840 expense adjustments by 175,000. So, we're making some adjustments there. 252 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:58,360 Um the sewer funds, the revenue came in higher. 253 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:02,200 We had a few extra expenses in a few of these. 254 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:05,360 But we're still revenue a net income side on that. 255 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:09,080 Um the 53 the storm 256 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:13,080 storm fund, did not not a lot goes through the storm water fund, but we did 257 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:17,520 have a few adjustments. Um the garbage fund 258 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:23,720 with our revenue we our revenue didn't grow as fast as projected and we had a 259 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:29,320 few extra expenses. Um depreciation hit in um a little bit more than expected. 260 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:33,160 And so so we have a little um little bit of a of a 261 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,880 of a loss compared to what the original budget was. Still a profit in that 262 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:41,520 um and then in the fiber fund our revenue 263 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:45,920 is higher. We had a few adjustments utility and network operation. Network 264 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:51,520 operations is based on um on a number of connections. So um we 265 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:55,840 projected a little conservative. We had more connect than we expected. So 266 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:59,600 overall that's what we had. So we'll the only fund that we have 267 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:04,080 uh cost going up more than the revenue going up is is our garbage fund. Um but 268 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,360 still a profitable um 269 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:10,320 profitable fund. So anyway, that's what I 270 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,880 what I have and then if we have public comment. So 271 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,640 if they have any questions. >> great report. 272 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:19,200 That's what we like to hear on the budget that we've 273 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,280 got more revenue than we thought we were going to get. 274 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:26,280 » So. >> Um 275 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,280 I 276 00:20:26,829 --> 00:20:30,400 » [clears throat] >> Sometimes this form is a little 277 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:36,920 confusing. But do we have anybody that's signed up 278 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,920 to talk about this subject? 279 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:44,280 Okay. Not hearing any, we will go on to item 280 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:47,840 number three. Um this is 281 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,754 » You'll need to close that public hearing as official. 282 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,480 » Oh. >> [clears throat] 283 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,760 » Yeah. >> Let me officially close 284 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:55,320 that public hearing. >> Perfect. 285 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,840 » Thank you. Uh item number three, elective and 286 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,760 statutory officers compensation public hearing. 287 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:07,000 Providence City Council will take comments and questions from the public 288 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:13,480 regarding the the elective and statutory officers' compensation as found in 289 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:16,320 fiscal year 2027 budget. So, Ryan, 290 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,920 yours, too. >> Yep. Yep, I got I got quite a few until 291 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:25,520 we get to the real real exciting one. So, I got the budget 292 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:29,800 and all of the all of those ones. Um so, it was, you know, budget um 293 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,160 um document of the tenant part of the 294 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:38,880 tentative budget. Um so, this is just going over that. Um 295 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:41,360 we we look at the um 296 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:46,920 uh salary surveys. We look at the adjustments. Um we base most of our 297 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:52,520 adjustments on the cost of living adjustment. Um so, we have a few So, a 298 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:56,880 few changes here. Uh planning commission, um my own here. 299 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:02,360 Um and the staff side, we're at at a two two 300 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:05,560 and a half percent cola with a uh two and a half percent merit potential. 301 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:12,200 Um we show what the salary ranges are. Uh 302 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:15,960 our last salary adjustment uh our salary range study was in 2024. 303 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,920 Um and uh so, we are due that. We probably 304 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:24,360 could have done it this year. We'll do it next year. Um but every two to three 305 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:29,120 years we do that. Um we have the number of years of experience. Um we also put, 306 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,920 you know, in the in the broader scale, we put the uh 307 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:38,440 number of hours worked and the number of PTO hours returned uh for total donated 308 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:43,440 amount. Um and uh so, then we have um we watch our 309 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:48,520 uh pay scale pay ranges compared to our uh 310 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:54,200 both the cost of living um 311 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:57,680 at the CPI. Um we also compare that to the 312 00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:04,720 uh rate of of uh salary of uh resident change uh and see how we can we 313 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:08,640 compete with both um residents as well as national as well as state. So, 314 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:14,560 anyway, um basically, that's that's where we're 315 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:18,480 at is uh um the judge, they dictate what that happens. So, we know exactly they 316 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:23,200 they tell us what that is. Um so, anyway, we're within the salary 317 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:25,480 ranges. Um and as that salary range moves up, you imagine 318 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,680 um the the pay scales adjust accordingly. 319 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:34,280 So, anyway, any questions that you have with that one? The public? 320 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:45,560 No questions? >> Okay. 321 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:50,840 We will um close that public hearing and go on to item number 322 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:53,800 four. This is a final budget hearing. Providence City Council will take 323 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:59,680 comments and questions from public regarding the city's fiscal year 2027 324 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:05,240 final budget. If you'll remember, we introduced it a month ago. 325 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:12,280 Gave people an opportunity to peruse it and to give us feedback. 326 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:16,160 And so, now we're giving a final opportunity to make comment in meeting 327 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,720 if they'd like to. So, Ryan, Ryan? 328 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:25,760 » Yep. So, that that great summary we've we've uh this matches almost um almost 329 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:29,320 exactly with just a few technical words. Um 330 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:32,960 it it matches to what the tentative was. Uh if you remember, on the tentative 331 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,560 proposal or the proposed tentative had the 332 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,920 um the property tax increase. We removed uh 333 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:43,960 that to truth in taxation um in favor of having just the ballot. 334 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:48,760 We'll talk about the ballot languages for the library, so that doesn't include 335 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:53,280 it. Um so, at this point, this would be the final budget to to approve. This 336 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:56,840 would if if approved as is, it would approve the compensation schedule. 337 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,120 Um and this will be the public hearing for it, 338 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:04,240 but later when it's approved, that would approve the compensation schedule and 339 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:10,200 and the no property tax increase as it stands. Um, so at this point, um, just 340 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,920 to go through a little bit of how we come to the budget for those that may be 341 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:22,120 new, um, the the method of of this is we take the 342 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:26,240 cap the capital projects um, programs for each of the different uh 343 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:30,840 funds we have, and uh and we take that to try to 344 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:37,600 accomplish some of those objectives. And then we also work to have the budget 345 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:42,520 to be uh a continuation of services that are provided. 346 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:47,080 Um, so we work to try to provide continuation of service plus achieving 347 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:51,960 the capital project needs that have been identified in the plans. So, um, 348 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:56,840 anyway, then we go through, we talk about the history, we talk about our 349 00:25:53,480 --> 00:26:01,720 accomplishments. Uh, we have uh the compensation schedule, the 350 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:06,520 organizational chart. Um, we have the organizational chart both by um by 351 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:10,520 employee but also by type of responsibility that's done. Uh, we talk 352 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:17,320 about the basis of budgeting, our financial policies, um, our revenues, uh 353 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:22,760 capital improvements each year for for the long range. Uh, our budget does 354 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:26,960 include a five-year outlook. Um, so we have inside the budget it'll show two 355 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:33,360 years prior, current year, and three years uh but then we also project out uh 356 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:38,800 a five-year model. So, this year and four more years, plus then we have a 357 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:42,240 five to 10-year uh outlook. Um, so you can look through our budget and kind of 358 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:47,640 project what we're going to do for next not just this year uh this coming year, 359 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:51,840 but but for the five to 10-year uh outlook. Um, and what projects are 360 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:56,040 coming up. So, if anybody wants to say, "Hey, when's when's the road in front of 361 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,680 mine?" Or or how far out is this project? 362 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:04,000 Um the budget really guides a lot of that. And And then we have links inside 363 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:09,000 the budget to any of those plans of where those numbers are coming from. So, 364 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:13,400 um we can go in great depth, but at this point um 365 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,920 the the the few things that have changed is kind of a highlighting where sales 366 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,920 tax we changed the property tax cuz there's no property tax. 367 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,960 Um but if you go through, there's just a few small 368 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:29,280 uh wording differences that have been included. So, nothing substantive. So, 369 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:34,080 anyway, if anybody has questions or would like to go more in depth than I'm 370 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:38,560 a nerd that I can go and through it. Um as a as a trained CPA, I'm happy to go 371 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:42,840 to the nth degree, but I know that it's boring to a lot. And we've got a big 372 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:46,339 agenda, so I'll I'll go to whatever length you want to go. 373 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,880 » I'm a bottom line kind of girl. >> [laughter] 374 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:52,360 » I don't I don't need to to know how the carburetor works. 375 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:57,360 Know that the car will turn on. Um but he does a great job. He 376 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,440 we are extremely lucky to have someone with his 377 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,960 background to be able to do our budgets and keep 378 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:08,440 them keep them keep on top of them so that we 379 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,200 can end the year and say we didn't overspend anywhere. 380 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,880 So, thank you Ryan for the work that you do. 381 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:20,680 Um not seeing any comments, we'll close 382 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:24,920 uh item number four on the final budget public hearing 383 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:28,400 and go to item number five. This is um 384 00:28:27,604 --> 00:28:33,800 » [snorts] >> Providence City Code 5-4-7 385 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,640 amended public hearing. The public Excuse me, the Providence City Council 386 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:44,320 will take comments and questions from the public regarding a resident 387 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:48,560 request to amend PCC 54 5-4-7, 388 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,720 which deals with swimming pool fence regulations. 389 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,320 So, um 390 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,355 Do you Yes. >> She is our attorney. 391 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,375 » Yes, I know who it is. >> [laughter] 392 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:11,360 » Hi. Just wanted to come out tonight and 393 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,920 speak on the proposal here. 394 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,280 Um I don't necessarily have a problem with 395 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:23,720 the proposal for the actual change to the uh covers 396 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:26,640 of swimming pools being secure as long as they follow the regulations, which is 397 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,960 already in. But, it 398 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,840 is a little bit strange to me, and I thought I should raise it to the council 399 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:39,040 that um there is a request that this be made 400 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:45,240 retroactive to cancel any current um 401 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:52,120 prosecution or other sorts of um activities based on this. Now, 402 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:55,360 I also serve as civil uh code compliance for other 403 00:29:54,040 --> 00:30:01,240 cities, and as a prosecuting attorney, and it's 404 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:04,600 likely that if this were passed, if there were any open citations or 405 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:10,040 things that that would be evaluated by the prosecuting authority, 406 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:15,840 but I do feel that it is a little bit out of line for the legislative side to 407 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:20,960 preemptively say, "This has not been okay for 5 10 years, 408 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:27,080 and there are active cases, but we're going to strip those away just because 409 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,280 something is changing now." Especially when proper notices have been given that 410 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,880 people were out of compliance and they were 411 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:37,000 may have chosen to willfully not comply. Those are the kinds of things 412 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:42,536 that we don't want to see happening in the city, whether or not 413 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,880 the specifics of the >> [clears throat] 414 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:50,560 » regulations do change. And that's part of the the duties of the compliance and 415 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:56,680 I don't even handle that side for Pro- Providence per se. Um 416 00:30:53,200 --> 00:31:01,160 but I do think that it's worth the council knowing that I don't 417 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:07,280 feel that it's very just 418 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:11,520 to make that portion of the change if it were to be adopted. 419 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,520 » Thank you. 420 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:20,280 » My name's Deanne Henninger and I actually submitted the application. So, 421 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:24,920 I appreciate your support. However, with the retroactive, I talked to an attorney 422 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:28,400 as well and I looked this up and typically 423 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:33,120 when you do retroactive, it hurts residents by foreseeing unexpected 424 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:39,840 expenses, but here it actually helps residents by legalizing existing highly 425 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:43,800 safe technology. And if you have two neighbors with the exact same cover, 426 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,600 it's just going to be equal. It's not going to be like, "Okay, 427 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:52,080 when did you put yours in? When did you know?" It's just equal. These covers 428 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:55,240 have to meet these guidelines. I don't know if you if I need to go over what 429 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,800 the guidelines are if you guys have a copy of the application. 430 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,360 » Probably if you just want to explain what you're asking for and why you're 431 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,360 asking. >> Okay. 432 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:07,320 » And then um this is a public hearing, so you 433 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,280 you can explain what you're doing and then 434 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,800 » Okay. >> um you're 435 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,120 you're explaining that to the council. >> Okay. 436 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,640 » And then if there's anyone in the audience that wants to make a comment, 437 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,240 they can certainly do that. >> Okay. Thank you. 438 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,360 Um this is my first one, so >> That's okay. 439 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:28,640 » Okay, so I'm proposing that Providence updates um their zoning codes regarding 440 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:32,960 residential residential swimming pools, hot tubs, and spas. 441 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:38,480 My amendment seeks to bring Providence into direct alignment with the state 442 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:42,480 guidelines for recognizing the ASTM F1346 443 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:46,520 certified safety covers as a fully compliant alternative to a 444 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:51,280 perimeter fence and to apply the standard retroactively across the city. 445 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:55,720 So, I don't know if like I say if you have a copy of that, but there's a 446 00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:03,200 a governing body, the International Swimming Pool and Spa Code section 305.1 447 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:10,320 that says that if a spa has a lockable safety cover or a pool has a powered 448 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:14,760 safety cover meeting the ASTM F1346 standards, a perimeter fence shall not 449 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:19,560 be required. So, the state of Utah has adopted this 450 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:24,040 code as well as Cache County has adopted it and the majority of the 451 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:28,760 municipalities in Cache County. Um 452 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:35,640 and I can go over those um that that code that that the ASTM F1346 453 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:41,400 um it has certain requirements. It allows 485 lb to be on it without 454 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:47,920 collapsing. That's enough for two adults and a child. 455 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:52,800 It requires um no water be shown. Um you can't get access to the water at 456 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:56,800 all. It also has it so the water can't sit on top of the cover. It seeps 457 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,880 through so there's not standing water. And then the last thing is it has a 458 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,240 lockable um 459 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,760 code, either a key lock or a code that has to be in um 460 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:13,320 visible to the pool. And that's how you open it and close it. So, that's what 461 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:16,800 the International Swimming Pool has uh code has recommended, the state of Utah 462 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,280 has adopted it, and Cache County has adopted it. 463 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:24,600 Okay. So, I don't Is that all I need to 464 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,440 » That's good. All right. Thank you for your explanation. 465 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:36,560 Any comments on this item? Again, this is a public hearing. We will 466 00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:39,480 we'll talk about this and vote on it tonight. So, we'll take some action 467 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,960 tonight. Um 468 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,360 but this is just the public hearing part of it. 469 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,159 Yeah. That's okay. Go ahead and get it. 470 00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:00,000 So, I'll go ahead and close item number five. That's the end of our public 471 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:05,440 hearings. We'll go to item number six. 472 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:14,640 Um item number six is resolution 06-2026 473 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:19,760 fiscal year 2026 budget adjustment. Providence City Council will view 474 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:24,280 review, discuss, and may take action on a resolution that adjusts fiscal year 475 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:31,920 2026 budget. So, 476 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:31,920 I will take a motion on this item. 477 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:44,000 » I will try. Okay. I [clears throat] make a motion that 478 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:51,360 resolution 06-2026 FYE 2026 budget adjustment um 479 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:55,840 be passed. Is that how we do it? Okay. To 480 00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:02,160 be passed. >> I'll second that. Here we have a motion 481 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:02,160 and a second. Further discussion? 482 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,360 Brent, you have anything? 483 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:16,800 » He's muted. >> Okay. 484 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,840 Um Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? 485 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,800 » I. >> I. 486 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,800 » Brent? 487 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,880 » He's trying to greet a groundhog at the airport, so it might be bedtime. 488 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,040 » The plane didn't come in till 7:00. >> Is he still muted? 489 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,160 » So, they're probably walking toward the 490 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,840 » But, you have three. >> Yeah. 491 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,520 » So, we have a quorum. >> Yeah. 492 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:41,160 » Okay. All right. We'll go ahead and 493 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:46,000 um No opposed. 494 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:49,000 Um motion carries. So, we'll close that item, go to item 495 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:53,640 number seven. Resolution 05-2026 496 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:57,440 certified tax rate. The City Council will consider for 497 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:03,760 adoption a resolution establishing the certified tax rate for fiscal year 2027. 498 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,560 I'm going to have Ryan explain this a little bit so that you understand why we 499 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,560 have to do this. >> Yeah. 500 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:15,320 So, [clears throat] what there is is there is 501 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:20,320 um a property tax rate. If we If we request 502 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:24,840 the property tax revenue of the amount of the previous year, then that is the 503 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:29,520 certified rate. If we increase the amount, then we need to go through truth 504 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:34,720 and taxation. So, this basically says we're only requesting of the residents 505 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,920 the amount of property tax we received in the prior year. So, that it's no 506 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:43,320 property tax increase um and that that's where we get the 507 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:47,560 truth of the uh certified tax rate. So, that that would indi- If we adopt it at 508 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,680 this rate, we have no property tax increase. That's what we're That's what 509 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,840 we're proposing. >> Okay. 510 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,840 So, I'll entertain a motion. 511 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:02,200 » I'll entertain a motion to adopt the um certified tax rate 512 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:04,600 for fiscal year 2027. But, I did Well, I'll make a comment 513 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,960 after that. >> Yeah, we'll we'll do it after. 514 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,520 Uh do we have a second? >> I'll second. 515 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,160 » Okay, we have a second. Um 516 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,240 comments, questions? 517 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:21,800 » Um I think just for the public's benefit, as as your value changes, 518 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:25,640 your percentage of property tax does not change we adopt the certified tax rate. 519 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,640 So, if the assessor changes the value of 520 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,080 your house, >> you will pay 521 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:34,920 » percentage of that value doesn't change. The actual number might change, but the 522 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,400 percentage does not. That 523 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,120 may be helpful. >> Correct. 524 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,691 Um >> Am I wrong? 525 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,001 » Y- Yeah, that's that's >> [clears throat] 526 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,640 » So, >> [gasps] 527 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:49,080 » so it is the to clarify that, 528 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:54,560 this is is across all all residents considered together. It would be the 529 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:58,720 same So, if you take the valuation of all houses, of all businesses, 530 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:03,520 and uh and you know, take take our property 531 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,560 tax, divide by all all value, then you get a rate. 532 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:11,960 Um if one person's house 533 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:16,800 goes up faster in value than than the average, 534 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:20,800 they may see a difference in theirs. So, um so there there might be So, if one 535 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:25,840 house, an individual So, on a on a macro level, 536 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:30,560 it that's correct. On a micro level, your house may increase value faster 537 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:36,640 than your neighbors, and so your tax may go up. Um the rate as as 538 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:40,880 as the values go up, the rate actually will go down every year. So, so the rate 539 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:45,280 declines. So, this is this is a less of a rate than last year. So, the rate is 540 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:48,040 actually lower. >> Okay. 541 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:52,920 » But the But the amount the the value of property tax is the same. And so, if 542 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:57,320 your if the value of your house went up, then your rate went down. 543 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,920 To get to the same number. >> Right. 544 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,120 » Does that make sense? >> Yes. 545 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,480 » And everybody understands that, right? >> It's okay. 546 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,680 » It is confusing. Um 547 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:11,520 » So, are you saying if the dollar value 548 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:16,920 assessed for my home goes up, 549 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:20,840 this dollar amount in this here doesn't change, Just my percentage of that 550 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,040 dollar amount changes. >> Yeah, you may pay more than your 551 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:28,800 neighbor if your house value goes up faster than theirs does. 552 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:33,160 So, it may change yours on an on an individual basis, it may change yours. 553 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:40,200 All residents, if we had more businesses coming in faster, that new business new 554 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:43,840 new uh uh and the value of of our business was growing faster than the 555 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:48,520 residents, then the residents all would get reduction in taxes. 556 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:52,348 » It's a dollar amount getting getting all this alteration. Man, I'm glad I don't 557 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,920 do this. >> [laughter] 558 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,520 » Same dollar amount. Wow, that's a nightmare. 559 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:02,200 » I think my comment ins- uh 560 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,800 added confusion. I might have meant to be clarifying, but 561 00:41:03,483 --> 00:41:04,880 » [laughter] >> I understand. 562 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,720 » it's good question. >> I understand what you're saying. 563 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,800 » That's why we have Ryan do this stuff. >> It leads to clarification. Yeah. 564 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,480 There you go. >> One one step. 565 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,520 » Yeah. >> Okay, so we have a motion 566 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,840 and a second on the table. Further discussion? 567 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,400 All in favor? >> I. 568 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,520 » I. >> I. 569 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:31,120 » Oh, good job, Brent. Thank you. Um 570 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:36,520 uh motion carries. So, we'll close that on the certified tax 571 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:41,200 rate and go to item number eight. Um ordinance 572 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:46,480 09-2026 fiscal year 2027 final budgets. 573 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:51,360 Providence City Council will consider for adoption a resolution 574 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,360 uh 575 00:41:52,280 --> 00:42:01,640 approving the fiscal year 2027 final budgets for all funds. 576 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,640 So, I will entertain a motion. 577 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:12,160 » I'll make a motion that we adopt um ordinance 09-2026 578 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:15,800 fiscal year 2027 final budgets for fiscal year Yeah, fiscal year 2027. 579 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,520 » Okay. >> I second it. 580 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,760 » So, we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? 581 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,720 Okay. All in favor? >> I. 582 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,200 » I. >> I. 583 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:37,960 » Thank you. >> Be sure and speak into the microphones. 584 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:41,360 » Okay. Are you hearing me okay? >> I am hearing you, Mayor. Yes, very good. 585 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,400 » Thank you. >> It's cuz I'm right on top of the mic. 586 00:42:43,699 --> 00:42:51,320 » [laughter] >> Okay. 587 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:56,440 Um let's go to item number nine. Ordinance 588 00:42:53,480 --> 00:43:00,160 07-2026 parcel 02-095-0031. 589 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,880 It's a rezone. Providence City Council will review, 590 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:14,520 discuss, and may take action on an ordinance authorizing the rezone 591 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,520 of parcel 02-095-0031 592 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:23,120 located in the general area of 96 North Main, Providence, Utah. 593 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:27,560 Approval of the ordinance will rezone the parcel from R112 594 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,440 to mixed use um 595 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:36,720 Planning Commission held a public hearing on May 13th with continued 596 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:43,360 discussion on June 10th and motioned that the City Council approve the 597 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:47,480 rezone. Motion failed two to three. So, that's where we stand. 598 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:53,240 Um the Planning Commission is a recommending body, not 599 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:58,440 an approval body. This the um City Council is an approval body. 600 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,600 So, um 601 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:06,800 this is the time that the council we've heard from lots of people. I bet you 602 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:11,240 we've had 25 letters. Um do we have anything 603 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:15,840 I am on the >> I've sent you all as of an hour before 604 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:19,560 this meeting. >> Okay. 605 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:24,120 So, we've all read the letters. We've all watched the planning commission 606 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:29,600 uh commissions and the meetings that have been held. We've 607 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:34,720 we've watched um and listened to you with your phone calls and the 608 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:37,160 things that you're concerned about. Um 609 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:47,000 because we've had two public hearings on this, I think I'm not going to have the 610 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:51,800 audience stand up. We've read all the letters. We know what how everyone feels 611 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,680 about everything. 612 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:57,320 And so, unless the council feels differently, 613 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:04,280 » Unless there's somebody here who hasn't sent something in. 614 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:08,880 » Yeah. >> Do we have anyone that has not sent 615 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:15,800 something in or not spoken at previous meetings? 616 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:21,120 We have two lonely hands. Three. Okay, I will take those three 617 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,680 um comments. So, you need to come up. 618 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:33,320 So, that's the criteria. If you haven't spoken and you haven't before and if you 619 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:37,560 haven't sent something to us, >> I have not done any of the following. 620 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:40,480 » Okay. >> Okay, am I good to 621 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,240 » You're good to go. We need your name. We need your name. 622 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:46,840 » My name's Owen Geddes. Um and I've been a citizen of the 623 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,960 historic district of Providence for my entire life. Um I want to give a little 624 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:55,080 bit of background on myself. I want to establish that I'm not repeating 625 00:45:53,120 --> 00:46:00,280 anything that my parents are putting or showing to me. I care deeply about this 626 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:05,200 community and I am as civically engaged as I possibly can. Um I'll be 627 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:09,400 representing Utah at Boys Nation this coming July and meeting with our 628 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,880 senators Lee and Curtis. I'm also the student body president at Ridgeline High 629 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:17,840 School and I will be voting in the coming months. This proposed development 630 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:22,200 on 96 North Main, no matter how much thought or planning is put into it, is a 631 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:26,320 detriment to this community. It is merely a copout for the maximum 632 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:31,920 amount of units that he would like to put on the the the parcel 633 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:37,160 so he can make as much profit as possible. Um, in uh in the Planning and 634 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:41,000 Zoning Commission meeting on May 13th, Mr. Robin said himself, "People don't 635 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:45,640 realize that one of the buildings actually has three two-car garages along 636 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:52,200 the back of it that takes up the commercial space on the main level." 637 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:55,840 This shows how the garage space that is that can be used on this building will 638 00:46:54,160 --> 00:47:01,160 take up the commercial space in the building, not allowing it to contribute 639 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:06,280 the described purpose of developing a a community walkable space and it will 640 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:10,520 just be used for garages for future tenants of the area. 641 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:15,920 Um, the economic viability of the area as 642 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:20,720 has been previously established as not conducive of building of businesses as 643 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:26,320 businesses in the past have left and our even our own sitting building has left 644 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:31,360 that street. Um, this direction that this project sets our city on is not one 645 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:35,520 that young people like myself are interested in. 646 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:39,280 Personally, I have loved the community that I've lived in and especially the 647 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:45,320 historic charm that it has built and left an impact on my own life. Um, 648 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:49,880 by putting in high-density housing on a spot zone in the middle of our 649 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:53,400 community, it destroys that charm and ultimately detracts from future home 650 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,720 buyers who want to move into the community. 651 00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:00,200 Um, it also does not even address the 652 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:05,760 affordability issue that I will have to face in my future as I seek for a home 653 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:09,960 no matter how much the the developer may say that they will be affordable units. 654 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:14,840 Um growth and construction are a necessary part of any city, but they 655 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:18,360 need to be put in proper areas for it to contribute to the health of the city. 656 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:22,840 This development is completely irresponsible and is not put in a 657 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:25,200 location that will be to the benefit of our community. 658 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,600 » Yeah, one minute. >> Does not address the purposes the 659 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:33,680 developer says, but contributes to safety concerns such as parking in our 660 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:38,240 bike lanes, which we have made a big issue in our community in trying to 661 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,920 allow cyclists to have the safest route they can. 662 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,760 Um As established before, it will not 663 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:49,760 likely even stand as a commercial center because of the garages that will be put 664 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:53,000 underneath in lieu of the commercial space. 665 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:56,040 I urge you council to follow the council of the planning and zoning commission as 666 00:48:54,720 --> 00:49:00,200 they've reviewed and looked at this issue greatly. I also urge you guys to 667 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:04,600 council together as our elected officials. Um there are you have been 668 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:08,200 voting in by the people of Providence. Um and I urge you to follow each other's 669 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:11,680 council and not the council of other city employees or the opinions of other 670 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:15,160 city employees who may push you in one direction. I plead you 671 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:20,000 with you to see the damage that this development will cause and by denying 672 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:24,400 this rezone, you will protect our historic Providence. Thank you. 673 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,400 » Thank you. 674 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,800 Okay, who was the other hand? Okay. 675 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:36,680 So, you've not spoken in another meeting, not sent anything. 676 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,520 » Honestly, this is not planned or rehearsed at all. I 677 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,040 I uh >> We need your name. 678 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:46,480 » I'm Christopher Brown. I live on on Sears Street in Providence. 679 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:50,280 Um and I guess 680 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:54,320 my thoughts are uh 681 00:49:51,680 --> 00:50:00,080 Jody, I know Jody. Jody's actually a really good guy. I don't I don't think 682 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:05,280 anyone who opposes this knows Jody very well. But, Jody doesn't do things 683 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:09,640 just to be the most profitable possible. I don't know if you guys are aware of 684 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:13,560 his developments, what he has done. He is a remarkable developer. He's a 685 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:19,520 remarkable um builder. He does a good job. 686 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:25,080 And his communities feel wonderful. Jody has a great vision for what looks 687 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,840 good, what feels good. I know he cares about the community. He cares about his 688 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:32,320 neighbors. He cares about people in general. 689 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:36,400 That's That's just who Jody is, for anyone who doesn't know him. 690 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:40,760 Uh one of the nicest guys, truly you'll ever meet. 691 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:45,080 Uh I served my mission in Guatemala. Guatemala has something really special 692 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:49,400 that we don't have here. They call them tiendas. 693 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:54,000 Uh on just about every street, every block in Guatemala, they have 694 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,800 a house where you they don't have all these zoning ordinances and all these 695 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:05,600 rules, and they have a house where people can just go and buy whatever they 696 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:12,320 want. And it is so incredibly convenient uh to go buy a soda or go buy uh 697 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:15,640 some rice or beans or whatever. And I I don't think Jody's going to sell rice 698 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:19,400 and beans. He may, who knows. Uh 699 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:24,360 you know, there's kind of this we kind of get in these opinions where 700 00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:27,640 you know, we just don't want to change things. We don't want to change the 701 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,760 status quo. Um 702 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:36,760 but you know, I think this would be remarkable for the community, uh for the 703 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:41,560 schools, for convenience, uh to stay away from the 704 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,240 traffic of I mean, the traffic is getting horrible 705 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,680 over there. And you know, if you want to get a 706 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:53,160 haircut or buy a soda or something, 707 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:59,040 yeah. it would be awesome. I I think the Logan Marketplace that's over there 708 00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,720 is incredible. I love stopping there and grabbing something every now and then. I 709 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:05,840 don't think any of us think that it's a huge eyesore 710 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:09,960 on the community. You know, if you do, I guess everyone's entitled to their 711 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:12,960 opinion, but I think it's a huge benefit uh for that community. People stop and 712 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,480 use it uh 713 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,360 all the time. And so, 714 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:22,040 you know, I I hope you guys would consider it. Uh 715 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:26,680 I think it would be worthwhile. Uh as far as housing is concerned, you 716 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,960 know, when you get a lot of public opinion on housing, you know, if people 717 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:35,760 like don't build these apartments or don't do this, don't do that, you know, 718 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:39,560 if you really care about affordable housing, you have to build houses. 719 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:44,040 Doesn't matter if they're more expensive, doesn't matter if they're 720 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:48,240 less expensive. If there's more supply, cost of housing goes down. 721 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,000 And if people don't increase the supply, then the cost of housing goes up. That's 722 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:56,880 just what happens. That's just economics. And part of the problem with 723 00:52:53,200 --> 00:53:01,120 affordability is that we there's too many rules and stipulations 724 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:05,640 for builders to build, and they just can't build enough housing to get cost 725 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:09,640 down. You Ir- Irregardless of cost of construction, if there's 726 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:13,520 lots of supply, cost of housing will go down. That's the 727 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:17,000 way economics work. So, anyway, that's all the time I need. 728 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:21,000 » Thank you for your comment. Okay, who was the other hand? 729 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,000 Okay. 730 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:33,680 » Hello. Uh I'm Justin McMurtie. Um I have not commented as of yet or 731 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,440 sent an email, but I would like to 732 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:41,400 voice my support for the rezone with one structural condition. 733 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:46,000 Uh for context, I'm a Cache Valley native. I grew up in Millville. 734 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:51,320 Um and I moved away to go to school and I ended up in Provo working at tech 735 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:55,640 companies down there for a decade. Um I lived in Provo for a decade and one 736 00:53:53,960 --> 00:54:00,120 of the main inspirations from the proposal is Provo Center Street. 737 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,840 Um I lived very close to Provo Center Street for a decade. 738 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:08,000 Uh and I loved the area. It was walkable, it was human scale, and the 739 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,600 shops and the housing close together made the area feel alive. 740 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,080 It wasn't a bunch of people pretending their neighbors don't exist in their 741 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,120 houses. People came out and did things together. 742 00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:20,360 It was cool. Um 743 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:24,040 that is hard to build and I think it's worth encouraging here. 744 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:28,480 Uh much of the opposition I've heard points out that it would be better if it 745 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:32,320 was a block to the south. Um and maybe that's true, but I I don't 746 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:36,760 think that we should let perfect become the enemy of good. If this is good for 747 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:41,640 the community, then it should be good whether it's a block away or not. 748 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:46,680 Um but a the condition here, the structural concern that I have that was 749 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:50,160 voiced, is a rezone outlasts a specific proposal. 750 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:55,400 Uh and mixed-use entitlements attached to the land and run to any future owner 751 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:58,520 and not just Jody. Um 752 00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:02,960 that the vision is excellent, uh but the zoning rezoning alone doesn't 753 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:08,720 guarantee it gets built. Uh so I ask that a development agreement 754 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:12,560 is adopted concurrently if it's is if the rezone goes forward 755 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:16,640 so that the it's structure and structures of the rezone doesn't take 756 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:20,920 effect until that agreement is recorded. Uh that way it would bind the property 757 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:24,600 and any future owners or any future developers to the standards that are 758 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:28,440 agreed upon. Um ideally, it would set specific 759 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:34,520 binding standards that spell out what's prohibitive prohibited, not just 760 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:38,800 describe the the vision that we that I like at least. 761 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:42,840 Um I will add that it's not right next to my property, 762 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:47,480 but I lived right by something like this in the past, and I would support it if 763 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:50,760 it was proposed next to my property. Uh, with that in 764 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,800 with that pr- uh, 765 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,920 binding agreement in place, I would strongly support this. 766 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,320 » Thank you. Okay. 767 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:03,560 Um, Sue, you haven't written in and you have 768 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,120 Okay. >> Well, I don't have it written in, but I 769 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,160 say something. >> Okay. 770 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,840 So, this is the last. 771 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:22,680 » My name's Janice Rasmussen, and I wasn't planning on talking, but I feel the 772 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:28,760 need. I would hope that this rezoning is 773 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,560 voted down. I live across the street from where the 774 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:36,680 developer wants to put it. I have an issue with 775 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:41,400 everything that is going across the street, and it doesn't matter whether 776 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:45,760 he's a nice guy or not. A lot of people are nice, but don't want this. 777 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:51,080 Um, I've lived there for lots of years 778 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,680 across the street as well as my neighbors. 779 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,720 And um, it's just it's a good idea that he 780 00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:03,520 wants to >> Janice, just a minute. Can we have the 781 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,520 » hear everybody. 782 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,240 » Go ahead, >> Janice. I 783 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:12,960 I'm got distracted. I um, 784 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:18,040 don't agree with the rezoning. I He's got a nice idea, just not in the place 785 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:21,960 that he wants to put it. And as far as the email that he sent out where the 786 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:27,360 places was just going to become dilapidated and everybody was going to 787 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:31,600 die, that was pathetic. That's worst email I've ever seen. 788 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:36,880 And I I uh, um, 789 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:40,640 I would just like to ask him and those people that were here at those two 790 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:46,480 meetings ago and everyone, would you like this across street from you? 791 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,480 Thank you. 792 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:51,000 Okay. Um, 793 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:57,480 with that, now is the time that the council will 794 00:57:54,640 --> 00:58:02,040 discuss and make decisions. We've We've been 795 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:06,200 immersed in this for 3 weeks. Jody, did you want to say anything before we do 796 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,200 our discussion? 797 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:16,320 Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Excuse me. Excuse me. 798 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:20,080 This is my meeting. Well, he has, but he's also the 799 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,840 developer. And so, 800 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:30,120 » He paid the application. >> He paid the application. It's It's his 801 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:34,560 time. So, let's give that to him. >> I have a full presentation, but it 802 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:37,640 doesn't necessarily seem appropriate to >> don't need all of that. We've We've 803 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:41,560 listened to all of this. >> I would love to just address a couple of 804 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:45,800 of um, the comments that just came in and 805 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:49,160 I'll I'll keep it brief. Uh, 806 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,720 people have misrepresented the information that I've put out. I have 807 00:58:50,760 --> 00:59:00,280 the plans on my website, so they can see them. Um, I said a portion of one of the 808 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:05,280 buildings has garages in it. There's still about 1,800 square feet of 809 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:09,240 commercial space across three storefronts 810 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:16,240 that are very viable small business locations um, 811 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:21,400 with over 300 in-house businesses in in Providence. It seems like there's a need 812 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:25,000 for this type of location. Um, 813 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:28,000 people have have said that it's not a viable location. 814 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:34,000 Um, Looking at Providence Main Street, 815 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:38,160 there's no available commercial space. Yes, there's vacant space, 816 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:43,600 but the owner, for whatever reason, does not 817 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:48,520 have that up for rent. So, we, in our research, 818 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:51,280 the location is very viable. We've also had 819 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:55,680 um entrepreneurs from the exact types of 820 00:59:54,040 --> 01:00:00,760 businesses that we're looking for in their community engaging businesses 821 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:05,800 show interest in in being there. And this is 822 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:09,760 cafe, florist, um uh 823 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:13,280 bakery, uh soda, uh ice cream shop. 824 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:18,080 And we've actually had a couple of others that aren't on the list and 825 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:21,120 aren't in our top tier of of what we think is the most community 826 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:24,440 engaging. Um 827 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:28,400 I understand that the neighbors have have concern 828 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:32,200 about uh this project. 829 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:39,960 We've designed this from the beginning to be uh pedestrian scale. And it is is 830 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:45,320 smaller and further away from the property line 831 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:48,560 than what current zoning allows. From it's smaller 832 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:52,600 and further away from our neighbors. It's shorter than what we could build 833 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:59,040 there with current zoning. We also um 834 01:00:55,040 --> 01:01:04,960 have are taking steps to ensure that it's not an eyesore to neighbors and 835 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:10,280 that that it doesn't adversely affect the neighbors. So, we want this to be 836 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:14,440 something that the entire community can enjoy, including the residents on Main 837 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:17,840 Street. So, um 838 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:21,680 with that, I I doesn't seem like it would be fair for me to put any other 839 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:24,800 points out other than addressing the concerns that were brought up today. So, 840 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,640 » Thank you. >> Uh 841 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:30,520 » unless you guys have any questions for me. 842 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:33,320 » I think we've I think that we've all been immersed in 843 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:37,560 this for >> Okay. Thank you very much. 844 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,560 » Thank you. 845 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:43,240 Okay. Um 846 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:48,120 You want to talk about it? You want to do a motion? 847 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,320 » I'd rather discussion. >> Yeah. I think discussion. 848 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:57,360 » Okay. >> Can Brent still hear us? 849 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,880 » Brent, are you still on there? >> I am. 850 01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,520 » Okay. >> Yes, I am. I I 851 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:08,200 Can I speak now? >> Yes, please. 852 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:12,720 » Okay. Um as I have reviewed and reviewed and thought about 853 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:16,680 this, uh in 2000 854 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:21,760 uh master plan, mixed use was not even a consideration. 855 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:25,920 In 2010, mixed use was indicated on the west side of 856 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:32,760 Gateway Drive. This what we're doing at this point in 857 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:38,200 time has extended ramifications up into the residential area, which uh most of 858 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:42,640 us are familiar with. Now, there is Main Street, but pretty much all the 859 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:46,400 businesses have left Main Street. Anyway, I think what uh as I've studied 860 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:52,080 it, Brian Ryan brought a new 861 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:55,720 document of 2010 under Mayor Ron Lichty to light, 862 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:59,040 and I think there's some uh things that need to be 863 01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:03,920 severely considered with it, where it goes, what it does. 864 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:07,800 And my motion, and I'd like to make a motion, 865 01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:13,120 is that we table this until we can first off have a full council. 866 01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:16,280 Because we as a council were elected to vote. 867 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:21,840 And there's five of us, and the reason there's five of us, so that uh we can 868 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:25,240 make a decision, a majority of the council people. 869 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:31,160 So, consequently, I would like to make a motion that we postpone this. The second 870 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:37,520 thing of it is, we need to also really think about the ramifications. 871 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:42,960 One of the In that study in 2010, one of the things I looked at was if an 872 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:47,920 option was selected in there, and I don't know if that option was selected. 873 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:49,560 There were three options. It could put uh 874 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:54,560 this uh 875 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:59,840 mixed use up as far as uh almost to Von's Park. 876 01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:03,360 There's areas that are circled for that. I look at the Renner Connect property, I 877 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:09,280 look at the Bear property, I look at Marlin House property. I look at uh the 878 01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:12,720 one kitty-corner across the street from me, they're tearing down the old Rath- 879 01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:16,760 Rathaus, and there's a lot there. 880 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:21,400 There is so much that could be plopped down in this city, 881 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:26,440 so much extended ramifications. We really need to make sure that we're 882 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:30,760 making a correct decision, an informed decision, and I don't think 883 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:38,040 we're to that point right now, and I'd like to postpone it until we can have a 884 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:42,560 full council vote and uh a full council understanding of our ramifications. 885 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:46,200 That's my motion. >> Okay, we have a motion. 886 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,000 Do we have a second? >> I'll second. 887 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,960 » Yeah, if he doesn't mind. >> Okay, we have a 888 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:54,640 motion and a second. Any discussion? 889 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:58,400 » I just think given the the 890 01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:02,840 community engagement and the strength of that, 891 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:05,040 from what I've seen, this is the most um 892 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:09,560 emails I've gotten about a singular subject, and the most phone calls, and 893 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:13,880 in-person visits uh on my time on the council, and I 894 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:17,600 think it is only fair that we have the full elected body here 895 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:20,640 to make that decision. Um 896 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:24,440 so I would agree with Brent. >> Okay, so you're 897 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:29,680 We have a motion and we have a second. Any further discussion? 898 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,680 » Um 899 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:38,160 I mean, I agree that we should probably all be here. I have done some research 900 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:46,040 on that um 2010 landscape architecture um document. 901 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,040 » hear what the response was. 902 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,720 » Janelle is is making a comment. Sorry. 903 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:54,160 » Okay, sorry. >> is like tied down to the ground, so it's 904 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:57,720 fine. I don't don't think so. 905 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,600 I think it's so I ask less questions, you guys. 906 01:06:00,830 --> 01:06:06,120 » [laughter] >> It was purposeful. 907 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:10,600 It might be might be pur- purposeful. I I think it's good to have the vote of 908 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:14,680 the entire council. Um I have done some research on the 2010 document that Brent 909 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:19,280 mentioned, um and and studied the minutes from 910 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:23,600 2010, which um 911 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:29,400 I feel like that document was a guide a guidance for establishing our 912 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:33,720 mixed-use district. Um but 913 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:37,840 it it wasn't like incorporated into any of our master 914 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:43,760 plans or any of those things. I I don't know that 915 01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:48,920 it has any impact or like weight on >> Any binding and any binding 916 01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:53,640 » I mean, it has a lot of ideas, but it it doesn't really have any binding power 917 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:58,600 or direction within it. So, I mean, I feel comfortable stating that, but 918 01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:01,600 um I'm prepared to vote, or I'm I'm fine to 919 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,440 wait. >> Okay. 920 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:06,520 » Either way. >> So, 921 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:09,200 my concern is I know that had a lot of residents over the years that I've been 922 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:14,880 here concerned about changing residential 923 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:19,280 areas to commercial or mixed use and they have their various reasons for it. 924 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:23,760 I've listened to talked to people listened to people's comments. I've 925 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:28,240 talked with people. I have um 926 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:30,720 on both sides of this of the issue and uh 927 01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:34,800 um I have a tendency to always take the 928 01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:39,160 opposite view of whoever's talking to me. 929 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:42,520 And I can poke all kinds of holes in everyone with the exception of the 930 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:46,240 people that all they said was I 931 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:50,520 I support this or I'm against this. Well, okay, great. I can't poke a hole 932 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:54,080 in that, but I can poke holes in people's rationale all over the place, 933 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:59,400 both sides. And some of the the arguments just don't 934 01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:02,040 hold any water or merit for me. And so um 935 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:06,440 I'd like to wait till we have all all of this here. 936 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:11,840 I think that'd be really the the wise thing to do. um 937 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:16,440 I think that you know, me personally, I have agreed with many people. I'd like 938 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:21,960 to keep the residential residential multi-use on the west side 939 01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:24,480 um because there was space there at the 940 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:28,640 time. That's just my the way I've I've leaned 941 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:35,279 and I've heard a lot of really good arguments for this. I've heard a lot of 942 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:38,120 I think fair arguments against it that I share some of those concerns to be 943 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:42,160 honest with you. And so I think putting it off until we 944 01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:46,600 have the everyone here and make sure that we're 945 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:50,400 not just doing something we want. We're doing what's right 946 01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:53,240 uh for Providence. >> Okay. 947 01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:55,279 Call for a vote. All in favor? 948 01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,480 » Of his motion? >> Of his motion. 949 01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:00,160 » I >> I 950 01:08:58,440 --> 01:09:02,440 » Nay. Okay. 951 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:09,799 So, we have three four and and one against, so 952 01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:13,120 the motion passes. So, we will put that off until next month. 953 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:20,319 Okay, let's go we'll close that item and go to item 954 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:25,520 number 10. This is [clears throat] ordinance 10-26 955 01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:30,720 PCC um 10 956 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:35,400 -12-3 and 4 amendments. 957 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:39,400 Providence City Council will review, discuss, and may take action on an 958 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:44,560 ordinance regarding proposed code amendments to extend the sunset day for 959 01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:49,480 the incentive to record the deed restriction for an IADU 960 01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:54,560 or an ADU. Um Planning Commission 961 01:09:52,440 --> 01:09:59,360 held a public hearing on June 10th and recommended the City Council approve the 962 01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:03,720 amendments. So, Ryan do you just want to quickly explain this or or Skarda, 963 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,640 whichever one? >> So, 964 01:10:04,493 --> 01:10:08,600 » [clears throat] >> I I can explain a little and then Skarda 965 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:12,800 can add as he likes. Um 966 01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:17,200 the this we offer a $100 incentive to those that will 967 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:21,240 provide proof of deed restriction. Um it had a 968 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:28,960 it had an expiring clause um of May 15th, 2026 and we're extending 969 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:35,440 that to May 15th, 2028. We had between six and eight, I think, um that utilized 970 01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:37,560 this and we were able to to have them record 971 01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,560 um and have that deed restriction. The deed 972 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:45,280 restriction is is that a um one of the units will be 973 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:49,440 owner occupied. Um so, anyway, we've had some success 974 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:55,360 with that. Before we hadn't had a lot of people, maybe they put in an ADU or or 975 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:59,120 that and didn't record. This this gives us an ability to have that compliance 976 01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:02,120 recorded and gives an incentive to do so. 977 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:06,120 Sometimes the carrot works better than the stick and this is what we're 978 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:10,760 proposing is a is a carrot to be able to get compliance rather than 979 01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:12,920 a punishment stick. So, and it's worked. So, 980 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:17,560 » And we're doing this because the state has asked us. 981 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:20,600 » The state has asked us to have >> They have [cough and clears throat] 982 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:27,360 asked us to to try to work for affordable housing and and some of that 983 01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:31,120 comes into the requirements for ADUs and while they haven't specifically asked us 984 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:38,520 to to put a $100 incentive in, they have asked us 985 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:42,200 to find ways to to get more housing and and more affordable 986 01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,320 and ADUs are 987 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:49,640 are allowed by by state code. 988 01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:53,360 So, we're trying to find the carrot and they've asked us to do carrots and 989 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:57,840 sticks and so we are well within what the state is 990 01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:01,840 asking us to do, but maybe not directly exactly that this is what they have. We 991 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:04,440 have some guideline and this is what we're 992 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:11,520 trying to propose within that. >> So, this helps us get to our 993 01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:12,640 affordable housing commitments. Okay. 994 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,494 » It's a tool. >> It's a tool. 995 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:19,560 I like tools. >> [laughter] 996 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:23,120 » Okay. So, we need a 997 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:26,200 a motion on this. If somebody would make one. 998 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,200 » Can I see the motion number? 999 01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:39,680 » Yes. We need a motion on this to take action. 1000 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:43,800 To approve the ordinance. >> I'll make a motion that we approve 1001 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:50,960 ordinance >> ordinance 10-2026 1002 01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:59,000 PCC 10-12 three and four amendments to extend 1003 01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:59,000 the sunset on the IADU or ADU um 1004 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:03,680 » reward >> Yeah, reward, sure. 1005 01:13:03,310 --> 01:13:07,680 » [laughter] >> Incentive, that's a good word. Let's go 1006 01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:09,760 with incentive. Okay. >> So, we have a motion. 1007 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:13,120 » Second. >> And a second. 1008 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,600 Further discussion. All in favor. 1009 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:18,560 » Aye. >> Aye. 1010 01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,560 » Brent. 1011 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,440 » Aye. >> Thank you. 1012 01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:27,000 Motion passes. Um 1013 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:31,920 We'll close item number 10 and go to item number 11. This is a swimming pool 1014 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:35,160 fence regulation amendment. Provident City Council review, discuss, 1015 01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:41,360 and may take action on the ordinance regarding proposed amendments 1016 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:46,000 to PCC 5-4-7 Resident application is requesting a 1017 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:51,080 change to the city code to allow a waiver of the perimeter fence 1018 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:54,360 requirement when a specific pool cover is installed. 1019 01:13:55,480 --> 01:14:02,400 So, um 1020 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,400 who wants to take this? 1021 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:08,880 » I think the applicant is I think the applicant has a chance. 1022 01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:12,400 Maybe she has some more to say. I I don't know that I have anything more 1023 01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:15,960 from my side. The staff 1024 01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:20,360 I think the staff uh is fine with what has been said, but if she wants to say 1025 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:23,720 more I that's fine with us. >> You don't have to, but if if there's 1026 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:27,160 something else you want to add to it. >> want to make sure the retroactive's 1027 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:31,040 understood why I'm pushing for it cuz it's not just affecting me. There's 1028 01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:37,080 dozens of pools. And I think it would just make it more, like I said, equal 1029 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:41,280 just to if you have this certain cover you're good. Just and then move forward. 1030 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:45,280 I don't That's it. >> Thank you. 1031 01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:49,360 » And just to to balance the comment the staff supposed to a retroactive, but 1032 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:53,640 um we're fine with whatever you do on the 1033 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:57,960 other one. The retroactive creates a administrative 1034 01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:03,200 paradox. It creates a problem because any citations that have been gone would 1035 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:06,600 then be reversible. Any Any action that has been 1036 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:11,840 We would prefer that to go to the judge to to have the ability to take those 1037 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:14,240 case by case and and settle that as as that goes. So 1038 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:19,880 » Well, it's a precedent. >> Yeah, and and we have varying laws 1039 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:25,080 all the time and we we we administrate administrate that all 1040 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:28,600 the time. So that's not really a an issue for us. So 1041 01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,960 » Okay. So 1042 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:35,880 um you want to discuss first? You want to 1043 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:40,160 Do you have any comments or >> I have a legal question. 1044 01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:44,680 Um with our with our city code we can be 1045 01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:49,000 more restrictive but not less restrictive than state code. Did I say 1046 01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:51,800 that right or did I reverse the order? >> Yeah. 1047 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,960 » Okay. So um 1048 01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:06,760 the timeline on which the state adopted their regulations shouldn't have 1049 01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:09,800 bearing on something more restrictive. Is that 1050 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:12,080 » That that is correct. >> Okay. 1051 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:19,360 Say that again. The Can you say it again? 1052 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:27,000 The the timeline that the state adopted their regulations 1053 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:29,720 for the ASTM F130 1346 certified safety covers 1054 01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:34,920 um if our code is more restrictive than 1055 01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,920 that 1056 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,880 it it's not 1057 01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:45,520 uh how do I say that? It doesn't affect the timeline that the 1058 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:47,880 state adopted their code. >> Okay. 1059 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,320 Okay. 1060 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,440 » Can I comment? >> Comments? 1061 01:16:52,160 --> 01:17:01,480 » Let's just maybe comments and questions. So, I I look in terms of the idea of the 1062 01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:06,320 fence is to protect outsider kids from wandering in there, right? So, the 1063 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:09,120 purpose of the cover is to do the same thing. 1064 01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:14,440 Um Now, if somebody's gate 1065 01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:19,440 is left open, I know they're supposed to automatically close, but 1066 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:24,480 people have ways of holding them open. And that gate is left open, there can be 1067 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:28,520 a and there there's no adult supervision and a kid wanders in there and and gets 1068 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:32,400 into the pool who shouldn't and there's a tragedy. 1069 01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:38,440 Um there's a uh a liability with that. 1070 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:43,120 Um perhaps there's even fines if uh uh someone sees it open and 1071 01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:48,960 they get turned in or whatever you call it. 1072 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,960 So, with a the cover 1073 01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:54,600 if my 10-year-old kid decides to go out 1074 01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:58,800 swimming and knows the combination of the lock, has a key, or knows the code 1075 01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:02,320 and opens it up and swims for a while and then comes in the house and goes to 1076 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:04,880 the bathroom, gets a drink, says, "You know what? I'd like a sandwich." and 1077 01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,600 makes a sandwich and then sits there and eats it. In the meantime, it's uncovered 1078 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:11,720 and some a 4-year-old walks in, sees that a 1079 01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:17,640 tempting pool, walks over there, falls in the water, drowns. 1080 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:23,400 Um there's a challenge there. It's tragedy. Um 1081 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:26,760 I don't know what the laws are regarding that, who regulates to make sure that 1082 01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:30,360 it's covered when there's no adult supervision if that's what the intent 1083 01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:35,960 is. Who uh make sure that nothing 1084 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:39,560 happens because it's now an open pool with no barrier 1085 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:45,080 at all. So, I'm a little concerned about 1086 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:47,640 liability with that, not just for the uh 1087 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:51,080 the pool owner, but for the city allowing it. 1088 01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:54,520 Have there been issues? I I would like to know a little bit more about it. 1089 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:57,120 » We have Shariq here. Can ask him. 1090 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:12,840 » It certainly could be a liability issue for the homeowner. Um 1091 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:16,960 although so would the maintenance of their fence 1092 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:20,640 or whatever um protective measure they're taking be 1093 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:31,600 Where it is authorized under state code to be allowed permissible 1094 01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:37,800 um and the concept is a pool cover that does meet the 1095 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,800 the safety requirements. 1096 01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:45,320 I would be hard-pressed to find a way that the city could be liable for 1097 01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:49,360 allowing something that's the state allows as a safety measure. 1098 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:53,160 Um but it it's 1099 01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:58,000 a worthwhile concept to consider because we can be more restrictive still. Um but 1100 01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:02,515 I don't think that it's a liability issue for the city. 1101 01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:07,520 » Okay. I was just want to make sure that >> [clears throat] 1102 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:07,520 » The other thought I had was if we um 1103 01:20:07,755 --> 01:20:14,000 » [sighs] >> I struggle when 1104 01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:19,080 people follow the ordinance or the codes that we have when they build 1105 01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:22,480 and then they don't follow a portion of it and put it off, put it off, put it 1106 01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:26,600 off, and put it off and then want to change or amend an 1107 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:30,440 ordinance so that they don't have to follow it when that could have been done 1108 01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:35,320 or should have been done however many years ago when the pool was put in. I 1109 01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:39,680 struggle with that a little bit. Um it seems like it's 1110 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:44,080 um I don't have to. City won't do anything. I won't do I don't have to 1111 01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:47,560 worry about that. Until the city says, "Okay, we're tired of waiting." 1112 01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:51,080 And then they try to fight it a different way. 1113 01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,720 So, it's a little bit frustrating for me, and I don't mean offense by that. I 1114 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,960 understand it. >> I get that. 1115 01:20:55,080 --> 01:21:00,800 Cache County's ordinance is the same as the state of 1116 01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:05,960 Utah's. So, I think there's some disconnect there where we rely Don't we 1117 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:10,800 rely on Cache County inspectors for Providence? So, I just think there's a 1118 01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:17,480 disconnect and a misunderstanding. It's not like trying to um skirt any 1119 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:22,600 responsibility. It was just this is what Cache County We were told by Cache 1120 01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:25,880 County inspectors. And then so, that's that's why I feel 1121 01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:29,040 » find out till later after it was your pool was in that Providence City was 1122 01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,320 going to have an issue with it. Is that what you're saying? Okay. 1123 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:34,520 » I understand. >> And you talk to anyone that installs 1124 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:39,120 these covers and they say the same And I know you can't rely on a you know, a 1125 01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:42,720 contractor, but the inspector from it's just a disconnect with Providence 1126 01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:45,520 and Cache County. >> Didn't you have to have a building 1127 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,000 permit to do that? >> Uh 1128 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:51,360 » To put your pool in? >> It was I think it was under when we did 1129 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:54,360 our house. Honestly, I didn't I would have to check. 1130 01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:58,160 » Yes, they do have to have a building permit for the pool. They may have 1131 01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:01,840 combined all of the zoning and permitting at the same time. But, they 1132 01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:06,000 do have to have a building permit for a pool. 1133 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,000 » Okay. Thank you. 1134 01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:13,200 » And the building permit would spell out local rules, I imagine, or 1135 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:16,520 » The zoning clearance would specify local rules. So, they would have had to go 1136 01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:22,480 through a zoning clearance as well. Which would have identified I'd have uh 1137 01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:26,160 would have identified those. >> That's why we went to the unified code 1138 01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:29,520 so that >> Right. 1139 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:33,880 » factor doesn't have to know 25 different >> It's also the responsibility of 1140 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:39,080 the the contractor to follow city code. 1141 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:44,360 » We've dealt with issues with this with retaining walls in the past, too. 1142 01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,960 Closer. I'm going to have to climb up on the desk, you guys. 1143 01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,400 » Or you can yell. >> I can yell. 1144 01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:54,000 » Maybe Brent will stretch his >> Will Brent stretch? That is closer. 1145 01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,320 I feel like this is >> than yours is. 1146 01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:02,800 » Okay. 1147 01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:11,600 Does anybody else have any comments or >> Just one more thing that the um 1148 01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:14,920 uh I understand the idea of making it retroactive. 1149 01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:20,600 If we don't make it retroactive, what does 1150 01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:24,280 that do as far as the responsibility of the homeowner? 1151 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:28,680 Um because they've already got it and they don't have a fence. Does Does the 1152 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:33,560 fence go become Installing a fence become retroactive? Is that something 1153 01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:38,120 that the homeowner can take up in in before a judge? 1154 01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:41,760 What's the course at that point? >> I would think that could be adjudicated 1155 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:45,080 right at before a judge and they could say the rule changed and let's look at 1156 01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:49,040 it. >> Yeah, at that point the judge could and 1157 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:53,480 I I would say that, but I believe the judge could if there was a citation, 1158 01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:56,760 they could issue it with prejudice and and then we couldn't go back to 1159 01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:00,960 the site again. At that point, if it's if 1160 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:03,880 it's released with prejudiced, then we can't we can't do it, right? 1161 01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,560 That's Is that accurate? 1162 01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:19,560 » So, just to walk through through it briefly, a 1163 01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:26,680 if something is legalized during the pendency of an action, the action can 1164 01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:30,760 still be prosecuted normally outside of making it retroactively le- 1165 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:37,160 legal, uh especially for an administrative 1166 01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:43,200 violation, and the judge can decide base or even the prosecuting body 1167 01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:47,680 can decide under their discretion whether subject the legal change they 1168 01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:53,040 decide that it should be dismissed or 1169 01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:57,440 if it they find that it's been more of a willful violation that's gone on for 1170 01:24:54,960 --> 01:25:02,920 years and kind of what the council member was alluding to that 1171 01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:07,440 it appears that this is just pushing against the city, pushing, push, and 1172 01:25:05,480 --> 01:25:10,320 then finally a citation has come up and I, "Okay, I need to fight this somewhere 1173 01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:14,680 else cuz I'm going to lose at court because 1174 01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:20,560 I've obviously not put up my fence that I've been notified about." Um 1175 01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:24,960 that the court can take that into consider- It's more on the judicial 1176 01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:29,000 branch of the city um 1177 01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:34,640 to be making those decisions even if the law changes 1178 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:39,440 unless the council tries to bind the judiciary's hands by making it 1179 01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:41,920 retroactive. >> Thank you. 1180 01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:49,720 » So, if those cases are dropped or let go, then 1181 01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:54,320 it effectively makes that retroactive at least for the person that's in process 1182 01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:58,480 of of being prosecuted or or >> It would make it future prosecution or 1183 01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:03,240 future wouldn't wouldn't be there. It wouldn't change if they had had a 1184 01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:06,080 previous penalty or previous something done. It would make future prosecution 1185 01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,400 of it. >> Right. So, it's not 1186 01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:11,840 » Right. >> Okay. 1187 01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:16,640 » Which that's how pretty much all of our code adoptions work. They you're you're 1188 01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:20,480 grandfathered in before the date of adoption. 1189 01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:24,560 And even with a building permit, if we are massaging code and adjusting things, 1190 01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:30,040 if you've had your building permit issued, that's the code that you're held 1191 01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:34,200 to. You don't get to change to what's been adopted in process. 1192 01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:37,880 Right? I mean so 1193 01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:39,560 » I'm I'm ready to make a motion if you want. 1194 01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:45,080 » Okay. Um I was asked Brent. Brent, do you have 1195 01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,080 anything you want to say? 1196 01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:57,080 You have to unmute. >> It's been very hard for me to hear 1197 01:26:52,200 --> 01:27:03,800 what's been said. But I I feel that uh the code up to this point was the code. 1198 01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:07,240 And uh anybody participating in any event that has the regulations in 1199 01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:10,600 Providence that needs to make sure they understand 1200 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:17,760 and follow the code. Uh where we go from this point 1201 01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:22,720 I don't uh have any direction other than I don't know what Ryan has said if they 1202 01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:28,760 received a citation then it becomes an issue where they have a chance to 1203 01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:34,560 resolve it with a judge. And I mean, knowing the code has changed 1204 01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:39,200 if the judge would allow a locking cover with a lower putting in a fence at this 1205 01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:45,840 point in time that would be the decision that he makes and it's not we're not 1206 01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:50,080 blanketly saying well, let's make this retroactive 1207 01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:54,400 nobody else uh or nobody in the city had to worry about it after this time. 1208 01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:57,160 I think we need to look at it kind of on a 1209 01:27:55,160 --> 01:28:01,560 on [clears throat] a basis of uh 1210 01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:07,480 that's that's my basis. >> Okay. 1211 01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:11,520 So, Janelle's ready to make a motion. >> I'll make a motion that we adopt 1212 01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:16,480 ordinance 08-2026 PCC 5-4-7 swimming pool fence 1213 01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:19,600 regulations amendments to be in line with state code. 1214 01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:23,240 Um uh 1215 01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:25,960 omitting the retroactive language in the ordinance 1216 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:31,560 um and letting that be 1217 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:33,920 judicially handled. Okay, so we have 1218 01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:37,040 » resolve any ambiguity issues. >> Do we have a motion a second? We have a 1219 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:40,640 motion. >> I will second that with that 1220 01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:44,240 uh change. >> Okay. 1221 01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:48,000 So we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? 1222 01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:50,760 Brent? >> No no more discussion. 1223 01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,600 » Okay. All in favor? 1224 01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:57,840 » Aye. >> Aye. 1225 01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,840 » Okay. Motion carries. 1226 01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,800 Thank you for going through the process. 1227 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:12,560 Um we'll close that item and go to item number 12. 1228 01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:20,440 Moving right along. Um item number 12 is resolution 04-2026 1229 01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:23,920 non-binding library ballot question. Providence City Council review, discuss, 1230 01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:29,880 and may take action on a resolution requesting a non-binding vote ballot 1231 01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:34,320 question on the 2026 election to assess 1232 01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:39,320 support of for a property tax increase to fund the city library. 1233 01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:41,800 So Ryan? 1234 01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:45,880 » I don't want to cover that. 1235 01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:48,680 » I mean we've talked about it the last meeting and 1236 01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:52,800 we've come to the resolution. This is what the county needs in order to put 1237 01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:56,800 this on the ballot come fall. Um preferably before July 31st, so the 1238 01:29:55,520 --> 01:30:01,280 sooner the better. I'll get this into their hands if you guys approve it. If 1239 01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:04,880 you like the language, this is what uh we came up with with our city attorney. 1240 01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:07,680 Um and and from there. 1241 01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:18,240 » Okay. So, 1242 01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:22,040 um I'll entertain a motion. 1243 01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:25,840 » I'll make a motion. >> Okay. 1244 01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:29,480 » Um a motion that we approve item number 12 resolution 1245 01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:33,600 04-2026 non-binding library ballot question. 1246 01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:37,480 » Okay. We have a motion. Do we have a second? 1247 01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:44,640 » Actually, yes. I second that. >> Okay. 1248 01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:49,560 We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? 1249 01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:53,240 » Um I'm okay to massage the language a little bit myself, but 1250 01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,680 » You want to suggest some changes to it? 1251 01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:08,760 » Yeah, I mean, do you think that it's necessary to add all of the language 1252 01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:13,760 about maintenance staffing improvements? Um 1253 01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:17,840 Does that make the question cumbersome? Or should we just simplify it and say, 1254 01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:22,240 "Shall Providence City fund and operate a city public library by levying a 1255 01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:27,760 property tax estimated at about 50 you know, with an 1256 01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:33,600 estimated tax of $55 per year, roughly $4.60 per month 1257 01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:40,160 for a home with a 5,000 500,000 market value?" 1258 01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:42,800 And ask if they're for or against that. >> Can you change for or against? Or does 1259 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:47,120 it have to be yes or no? >> I think the ballot reads for or against, 1260 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:49,560 usually. Doesn't it? >> Yes. 1261 01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:56,160 I don't know if that's statute if it has to be that way. 1262 01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:59,040 But that's how they that that's the normal nomenclature for 1263 01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:03,080 it. >> So, Janelle, your your concern is that 1264 01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:07,480 you're we're just putting a lot of extra words in there that it might make people 1265 01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:12,400 a little confused about it or >> Yeah, I mean I think that the the more 1266 01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:16,840 simple the statement you know, the more direct it is to the 1267 01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,840 public, but 1268 01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:21,480 I'm fine with making that change, but >> Yeah. 1269 01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:26,840 » Anybody? >> Yeah, I mean I made the motion 1270 01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:31,920 to approve as it is, but I I think also the simpler 1271 01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:35,880 the simpler the better is 1272 01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:41,080 also fine with me as long as what 1273 01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:44,320 do we think legally that we have to have all of that like 1274 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:47,760 you asked? I don't know what the >> Do you think we need to add any context 1275 01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:51,800 to the question? That the county's planning to end 1276 01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:56,200 funding for the library and for Providence to 1277 01:32:54,080 --> 01:33:00,240 have a dedicated library. Do we need I mean 1278 01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:05,400 I feel like sometimes we make the assumption that everybody knows why 1279 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:09,400 we're proposing a property tax because we're up we're up to our eyeballs in the 1280 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:13,880 issue sometimes, but maybe adding some context to the 1281 01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:17,840 question might be helpful as well. >> So, something like due to the cessation 1282 01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:23,160 of funding by the county by Cache County 1283 01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:27,280 should Providence City consider imposing a new property tax levy to fund the 1284 01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:32,440 operation of 1285 01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,440 a city public library 1286 01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:37,800 which is estimated to cost the owner of a primary residence with fair market 1287 01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:42,520 value just to the end there. Would something like that work for you? 1288 01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:45,880 What do you think? >> Yeah, I mean I don't think we need to 1289 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:48,680 put in the fair market value language, but 1290 01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:53,400 But so do we do we need to 1291 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:58,280 okay the concept and we can massage the but 1292 01:33:55,480 --> 01:34:00,680 » I think Mayor Drew had a question if you >> Mayor. 1293 01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:09,640 » Um just a suggestion. Uh This raises a Janelle raises a good 1294 01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:15,360 point. Um 1295 01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:19,040 I know in in the past ballots have had Sorry about that. I'm It's been a while. 1296 01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:23,600 Um Ballots have information booklets that 1297 01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:27,040 come with the ballot and it's got candi- Sometimes they have candidate statements 1298 01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:31,200 and when there's an issue on the ballot, it explains the issue. 1299 01:34:29,480 --> 01:34:35,880 I think it leaves a lot out when you just say one sentence and it says, 1300 01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:38,120 "Well, the county's dropped funding." Um 1301 01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:43,160 I don't know and I don't know if you could put a QR code on the ballot and 1302 01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:47,560 say for more information, you know, go to this or link or go to this scan this 1303 01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:51,760 QR code. Just so it would explain 1304 01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:57,560 you know, the issue the council is dealing with and is asking the voters 1305 01:34:54,520 --> 01:35:01,080 for advice on. >> Okay. Thank you for the feedback. 1306 01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:06,920 Okay. What does everybody think? 1307 01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:15,320 » Do you know if that is a possibility? >> Um I do not know, but they did say 1308 01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:21,160 however it does need to be kept simple as if if we do go on to a second page, 1309 01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:24,720 it's going to cost quite a bit. So, they want it just to be a a 1310 01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:27,760 statement as it's as 1311 01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:30,720 we're discussing, but the more we add to it 1312 01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:34,480 if there's a possibility for a second page 1313 01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:37,000 then they're going to charge us a lot. 1314 01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:41,280 » But but just is adding a link a possibility to to go to 1315 01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:45,320 where people can see something you know, in more detail and more 1316 01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:49,760 spelled out than we can put on the ballot question itself. 1317 01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:54,240 » Not that I'm aware of. I mean, we could include it in the question for more 1318 01:35:52,200 --> 01:36:00,600 information go to provincetown-ma.gov and we can have a dedicated webpage 1319 01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:04,280 um that explains what's going on. >> I thought the city had to be neutral, 1320 01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:07,280 but we couldn't really like do that. 1321 01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:12,200 » You can't advertise for or against. >> But if we're just providing information 1322 01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:14,520 » But if we keep it factual and just >> for or against the tax or the against 1323 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:18,280 it, just >> Yeah. 1324 01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,280 » the why. 1325 01:36:18,440 --> 01:36:24,440 » I think the fact that it if you give the information, 1326 01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:31,240 this is what we're asking. Do you want to raise the tax this much or not? 1327 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,240 That's really the question. 1328 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:40,400 And the more we put in there, the then the more we have to add more explanation 1329 01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,400 we have to add on top of that. 1330 01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:46,720 So. 1331 01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:53,600 » Your motion. >> Um. 1332 01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:53,600 So, yes, add context or no? 1333 01:36:55,800 --> 01:37:03,000 » What are your thoughts? I I like it better when things are more 1334 01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:06,200 explained and spelled out specifically to people 1335 01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:09,880 because like you said we've been in this for some months 1336 01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:14,680 thinking it over and over and over and and we've had hundreds of comments come 1337 01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:18,160 in and surveys and we feel like sure, everybody knows what's going on, but 1338 01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:23,520 maybe everyone doesn't know what's going on and maybe we need to to add context 1339 01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:28,480 and add add the background story, but I I agree we need to be careful to not 1340 01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:33,560 make it sound like we're we're advertising a a specific position. 1341 01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,680 » Um. 1342 01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:46,800 » And then if you want to simplify this language 1343 01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:49,520 » Your mic doesn't work very well. >> Are you still thinking you want to 1344 01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:54,160 simplify the language as it's written? 1345 01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:57,920 » Yeah, I I think it the simpler the better. 1346 01:37:55,440 --> 01:38:04,320 And adding a brief statement of context, but I also think some of that might be 1347 01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:10,800 established in the I feel like don't they allow one letter for and one 1348 01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:10,800 against in the information pamphlet? 1349 01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:18,400 Is that true? >> For a referendum or an initiative. 1350 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:21,617 » This will have an information pamphlet. >> I think my non-binding probably doesn't 1351 01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:27,440 give us that. >> [clears throat] 1352 01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:32,200 » Nine non-binding does not give us then we should probably have context. 1353 01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:36,880 And I don't I don't know that we can you really add a link to a ballot? 1354 01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:39,280 Is that done? 1355 01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:44,280 I've never seen that ever in all of my years of voting. 1356 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,760 » Well, I just thought it was an interesting idea cuz then we could 1357 01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:50,680 go without the expense. 1358 01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:55,720 » But actually people should do their homework before they get to the 1359 01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,720 to voting. 1360 01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:59,280 » They check the box and move on. >> Yeah. 1361 01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,600 » Without the homework part. >> That's true. 1362 01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:09,960 Well, I mean given that because it's a non-binding vote, letters are not 1363 01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:13,000 um included in those. Is that correct, Ty? No No letters in a non-binding vote. 1364 01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:17,040 » They have no >> Okay. 1365 01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:20,720 I do think it would be helpful to give the public context. And if 1366 01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:25,400 I don't know, a link just sounds so weird on the ballot. 1367 01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:29,400 What do you guys think of that? Do you think that's something we can do or not 1368 01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:32,600 do? >> Then how would we do it? Well, 1369 01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:38,960 some of that's been in newsletters and things like that already, but do we just 1370 01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:42,640 double up in that month before the ballot goes out, 1371 01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:45,680 say you're going to be getting a ballot with 1372 01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:48,280 asking this question or something similar and 1373 01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:51,240 » not want to put us in an intersection that maybe we're trying to lobby for one 1374 01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:55,000 or the other. >> Yeah, well, I'm just saying keep it 1375 01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:58,240 fact-based and not position-based. 1376 01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:02,520 » So, what would you want in there basically? 1377 01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:06,440 I'm guessing uh a little history, why how we came to this point. 1378 01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:08,800 And then what? 1379 01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:14,520 » That's kind of what I thought you know I was alluding to with with 1380 01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:18,560 It doesn't say that that the county is ceasing funding. It doesn't say 1381 01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:21,640 Is that what you meant by when you kind of started down that path? 1382 01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:25,200 » Give context, so. 1383 01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:31,964 Is it appropriate to ask the public if they what they think is clear or not 1384 01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:33,984 clear? >> [laughter] 1385 01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:39,560 » Um we've got to turn this in, too. We've got a deadline to get it in. 1386 01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:43,440 » No, I mean just to get I'm on the topic, but 1387 01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:46,680 » Shariq. Come on over to this mic here. 1388 01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:56,640 » I I'll start with a really quick disclosure on this topic. I actually 1389 01:40:54,400 --> 01:41:02,360 serve on the Richmond City Library Board. So, I'm not counseling 1390 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:05,440 any direction. I'm also a city employee. But 1391 01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:10,680 uh here. But 1392 01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:15,520 where the resolution already includes the whereases for why 1393 01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:19,840 the question would be raised if this were to pass. 1394 01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:26,960 I think that it would make sense to say 1395 01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:30,400 as the county library is closing, comma should 1396 01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:34,080 and then go ahead with the question. It adds maybe four words and gives at least 1397 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:36,600 enough context that >> Clarification. 1398 01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:40,320 » someone reading it would know why they're voting on a new library, 1399 01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:45,120 especially if Providence doesn't have one. 1400 01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:49,480 » So, at since as the the county library is closing, and then this. 1401 01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,800 That gives some context. >> Yeah. 1402 01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,680 I mean, that makes sense. >> simple. 1403 01:41:55,400 --> 01:42:01,640 » It's simple. >> And would you still want to strike the 1404 01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:04,320 operation, maintenance, staffing language? 1405 01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:09,120 » Well, when you run a business or run anything, 1406 01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:10,040 operation, >> Right. 1407 01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:13,080 » staffing. >> Well. 1408 01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:16,080 » I mean, I guess that's a reflection that it's comprehensive 1409 01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:19,560 um funding 1410 01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:21,520 that covers all of those portions, whereas 1411 01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:27,040 the previous functioning of the county 1412 01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:30,800 library, we covered um like maintenance of the building, and 1413 01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:37,000 they covered staffing. So, I guess this does delineate that all of the services 1414 01:42:34,440 --> 01:42:42,080 will be taken over by the city. There's not like a share, like a cost share 1415 01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:49,120 involved in any of that. Well, let's say all services, that's easy to say without 1416 01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:49,120 without listing them out. 1417 01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:56,360 We could say that. Whereas the county library is closing, 1418 01:42:54,080 --> 01:43:02,560 shall should Providence City consider imposing a new property tax levy 1419 01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:09,400 to fund all services of a city public library, 1420 01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:09,400 which is estimated to cost 1421 01:43:09,480 --> 01:43:17,040 the homeowner with a home of this value this much money? 1422 01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:22,280 I mean, we could break it down and add add what that would be monthly, if you 1423 01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:22,280 think that's helpful, but 1424 01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:28,161 people can divide by four. >> divide that. 1425 01:43:26,196 --> 01:43:30,181 » [laughter] [clears throat] 1426 01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:35,800 » Okay. Do Do we have that then? >> Yeah. 1427 01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:38,120 » Okay. >> So, I'll amend my motion. 1428 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:42,080 » motion. >> I'll amend my motion that the language 1429 01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:45,840 should say as the county library is closing, should 1430 01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:50,320 Providence City consider imposing a new property tax levy to fund all related 1431 01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:53,160 library services, which is estimated to cost the owner of 1432 01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:59,560 a primary residence with fair market value of $500,000, approximately $55.30 1433 01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,560 per year. 1434 01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:06,400 » Okay, we have a motion. We have a second? 1435 01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:08,160 » I'll second that. >> Okay. 1436 01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:14,200 » Or do I second? >> I second it. 1437 01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:14,200 » Do I second the amendment or 1438 01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:20,520 » I can re-second that. I can re-second that. I will second 1439 01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:25,600 that. >> Okay, we have a motion. 1440 01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:25,600 Did we do this properly? 1441 01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:32,200 Okay. We have a motion and a second. Any 1442 01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:34,320 further discussion? All in favor? 1443 01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,560 » I. >> I. 1444 01:44:35,480 --> 01:44:40,040 » I. >> Thank you. Motion carried. 1445 01:44:41,522 --> 01:44:46,480 » [laughter] >> We're getting a missionary homecoming. 1446 01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:51,280 » Can we yell congratulations or something? 1447 01:44:50,037 --> 01:44:54,400 » [laughter] >> Welcome home. 1448 01:44:53,000 --> 01:45:00,040 Okay. >> He got one and it was pretty exciting. 1449 01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:02,560 We're happy to have him back. Okay. I'm going to 1450 01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:07,600 I'll go mute. >> Okay, thank you. 1451 01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:12,120 Um Let's move to We'll close item 12 and go 1452 01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:16,920 to 13. Just Serve City Designation Proclamation. This is just a 1453 01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,920 proclamation. 1454 01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:23,600 And we need to take some action in order to do it. And David, this is yours. Do 1455 01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:26,960 you want to explain? >> This is 1456 01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:30,720 » Sure. Um Well, the last couple of years serving 1457 01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:36,720 on the council, I've been a part of uh my responsibility is is projects on 1458 01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:40,920 the Just Serve website, and we've had a lot of good success with 1459 01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:44,160 that and a lot of volunteers, and it's kind of 1460 01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:48,720 heartening to see the the number of volunteers that have come out even from 1461 01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:52,320 other cities and businesses both in and out of the city that have wanted to do 1462 01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:56,120 projects here and and help make our city a better place, and 1463 01:45:54,520 --> 01:46:00,720 um we've had youth groups, we've had 1464 01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:08,160 just individual people on their own, so all all kinds of uh volunteers. So, 1465 01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:12,400 I as I've been in touch with the Just Serve organization and representatives, 1466 01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:16,920 they have suggested that we become a Just Serve city and and offered uh 1467 01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,800 language in a proclamation that the mayor 1468 01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:24,840 to do that. Um I think it just goes 1469 01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:29,240 in conjunction with uh the service that's already been rendered and and 1470 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:32,280 hopefully adding and expanding to that and making 1471 01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:36,560 uh having more projects in the future and and just recognizing 1472 01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:41,720 the work that's been done here of through our residents and 1473 01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:46,640 and then we'll be able to see that work move forward and and 1474 01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:49,160 I think that's about it. That's the the gist of it. 1475 01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:53,240 » The National League of Cities is promoting this as well 1476 01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:57,200 to have cities have this designation so that people know that we're service 1477 01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:59,800 oriented, so >> Yeah, and I hate hate to [clears throat] 1478 01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:02,960 admit, but we're not the first in the county that has done this, so there's a 1479 01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:06,280 couple of other cities that are already Just Serve cities, and that's okay, 1480 01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:09,553 we'll follow right along. >> don't want to be last. 1481 01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:11,960 » Yeah, if we're not last, then >> [laughter] 1482 01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:14,240 » then we're okay, but >> Okay. 1483 01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:18,040 » I've been excited to do those projects, and I I have gone on 1484 01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:21,480 city tours with Ryan, and he's been helpful to point out 1485 01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:25,000 things that need a little help, and and we put those up as they've come in. So, 1486 01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:29,880 that's been very helpful, too. >> Good. 1487 01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:29,880 » Okay, so I'll entertain a motion. 1488 01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:40,520 » I will make a motion that we um accept the Just Serve City designation 1489 01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:43,680 proclamation commitment to volunteerism in Providence City. 1490 01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:47,080 » Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second? 1491 01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:51,520 » I will second that. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second for 1492 01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:53,200 the discussion. All in favor. 1493 01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:56,840 » I. >> I. 1494 01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,840 » I. 1495 01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:06,800 » I. >> Okay, thank you. Motion carries. 1496 01:48:05,884 --> 01:48:09,720 » [laughter] >> I think it's a party. 1497 01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:19,120 Okay, so that completes our agenda 1498 01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:23,680 tonight um for items. Uh we don't have any study items, no 1499 01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:29,080 other business or plans. Um this is a point where I would allow 1500 01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:32,840 public comment for anything that is not does not have to do with the items on 1501 01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:36,440 the agenda. So, if there's anyone who would like to 1502 01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:39,800 make comment, I would be willing to take that. 1503 01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:46,080 We need your name. >> My name is Autumn Matthews. I'm from 1504 01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:50,360 Logan, but tonight I'm here as a representative of Cash Water District. I 1505 01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:54,920 just want to make you guys aware of two programs. One is through the state and 1506 01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:58,680 one is through us. Uh the first is the landscape incentive program. I'm sure 1507 01:48:56,920 --> 01:49:03,240 you've heard of it. It's not a new program. However, um it's just a program 1508 01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:07,560 that will allow your residents to be eligible for a rebate of $2 per square 1509 01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:12,440 foot of lawn that they rip out and install water-efficient landscaping. 1510 01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:17,720 This does require you guys to adopt and water-wise ordinances that affects new 1511 01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:22,920 builds and will only affect the front yards of any residential homes that you 1512 01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:27,440 put in. Um there are some other minimum ordinance requirements. There will be no 1513 01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:32,040 lawn in new This is all new development. Park strips, no lawn in areas less than 1514 01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:36,840 8 ft in width. That just provides that the turf is functional. Um no more than 1515 01:49:34,440 --> 01:49:41,480 50% of front and side yard landscaped areas in new resi- residential 1516 01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:45,440 developments may be lawn. That's again, this is only affecting new residential 1517 01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:48,080 developments. Um and then in a new commercial and industrial, 1518 01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:53,560 institutional, and multi-family development common areas, the lawns 1519 01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:56,400 shall not exceed 20% of the total landscaped area outside of active 1520 01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:58,520 recreation areas. >> Move this down by your mouth. 1521 01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:00,680 » Thank you. >> You have to just practically eat these 1522 01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:01,800 mics. >> Yeah. 1523 01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:05,880 » Thank you. >> Um but yes, so if it's functional turf, 1524 01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:10,320 we do want it to stay if it's being utilized. 1525 01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:13,800 Uh however, that's kind of that program. The other program you guys don't have to 1526 01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:17,400 adopt any ordinances and it is our spring grass reseeding program. I do 1527 01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:20,320 have flyers for everyone. However, I am one short on the landscape. There's only 1528 01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:25,360 four of them. Um but it's our spring grass reseeding. 1529 01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:30,240 You don't have to reseed uh a bare spot. You don't have to rip out your lawn. It 1530 01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:34,880 is a water-wise grass grass initiative um for all Cache County residents. This 1531 01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:41,280 provides water-wise grass seed at a discounted price of $3.50 per pound. 1532 01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:45,200 Normally, it's 7 lb or $7 per pound, so it's half off. 1533 01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:49,280 Uh this grass is supposed to, depending on how our 1534 01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:55,280 residents water and that's where our side comes in with education, cut back 1535 01:50:51,560 --> 01:51:00,640 on water anywhere from 30 to 50% of a water usage in a residential home or 1536 01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:03,760 even a city property. Um it is available to cities as well if you guys are 1537 01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:06,960 looking to change out some grass to be more 1538 01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:11,320 water-wise, especially in a year like this. However, um we just are asking 1539 01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:17,480 that you guys spread awareness of this program as it's a it's a drought year 1540 01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:22,120 and we don't see that um not recurring again. So, we're just 1541 01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:25,160 trying to save water in the landscape um in Cache County and we appreciate you 1542 01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:28,960 guys and all you >> And this is available for people to like 1543 01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:33,080 go pick up? >> Yep. Yep, so it's through Anderson Seed 1544 01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:36,360 and Garden. Uh you fill out a form. We ask that you do join a water city. It's 1545 01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:40,120 optional whether or not you send in your water bills. If you're on secondary, we 1546 01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:45,480 don't ask that you do, but if you're willing to help us water savings in the 1547 01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:49,240 um we will ask for those. We just have your name, you'll get a coupon code, and 1548 01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:52,920 then you'll go to Anderson Seed and Garden and pick up how much you would 1549 01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:57,680 like. There's no end limit. We've had people um apply for 13 acres of this 1550 01:51:55,680 --> 01:52:01,480 grass seed, which is a lot of grass seed and then we've had 1551 01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:05,200 people apply for 50 square feet as well. So, it just kind of depends on what your 1552 01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:10,840 needs are. If you're looking to reseed spots in your lawn, um that's also 1553 01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:14,920 something that we can do. So. Um but we appreciate all you guys do. 1554 01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:17,440 It's a hard job to be on a city council and we appreciate it. 1555 01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:20,040 » Make hard decisions. >> Someone I can hand these to. 1556 01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:22,680 » Just hand them to >> Thanks, Brian. 1557 01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:29,760 » Thanks for sitting through all this to give us that information. 1558 01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:32,920 Um we have a question. >> Oh, yes. 1559 01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,320 Sorry. >> Come on up. 1560 01:52:33,480 --> 01:52:39,320 » Um those conditions for the landscape 1561 01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:40,520 incentive, are those recently updated? I feel like we've reviewed 1562 01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:44,520 » these in the >> They're not. So, what the state's 1563 01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:47,720 minimum requirements are the same as they were before, which is why we 1564 01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:52,240 understand that this program is not a one-size-fits-all. As some cities are 1565 01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:56,520 expanding, some cities aren't. However, I should have mentioned this, too. This 1566 01:52:53,760 --> 01:53:01,160 last this past legislative session in February 1567 01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:06,680 this year had did pass a bill. It was, I believe, House Bill 46 or 49. I should 1568 01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:11,240 know that. But, um that mandates water-wise landscaping. However, it 1569 01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:15,440 doesn't have any real teeth, and so, uh, the state has just asked us to push that 1570 01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:18,960 program again and say, "Hey, it's here. Use it, um, if you're if it's right for 1571 01:53:17,480 --> 01:53:22,720 your city." So. >> You said if you rip out grass, but this 1572 01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:24,440 is only for new construction, so they wouldn't even have any grass to rip out. 1573 01:53:24,440 --> 01:53:29,458 » Yes. >> So, so that I I guess I should clarify. 1574 01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:32,440 So, the residential program that >> [clears throat] 1575 01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:35,720 » it allows your residents to apply for, if they have existing grass, they would 1576 01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:42,200 rip that out and they'd be able to get a rebate from the state for $2 and $2 a 1577 01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:47,120 square foot of grass that they rip out and install waterwise landscaping. Those 1578 01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:51,360 are very specific. The state manages all that. They have people who come out and 1579 01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:54,880 check that, um, and preview the lawn beforehand, 1580 01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:58,720 uh, just to say, "Yes, we do have one." However, the ordinances that you guys 1581 01:53:56,680 --> 01:54:04,000 would adopt would be the ones affecting residential, um, new builds, and only 1582 01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:08,560 new builds. And so, they they're not eligible for the program. It's just 1583 01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:12,680 expanding with water in mind is kind of how the state has put it. 1584 01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:15,760 » Thanks for that clarification, Chris. >> Thank you so much. 1585 01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:19,000 » other questions? Okay. Sounds good. 1586 01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:19,000 » Thank you. 1587 01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:27,520 Okay. So, 1588 01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:30,480 any other com- public comment? Okay. 1589 01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:34,120 We'll close that portion of the meeting and go to staff reports. 1590 01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:40,240 » Well, I I have a lot more time for a staff 1591 01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:44,184 report than I thought I would, cuz I thought 1592 01:54:42,164 --> 01:54:44,184 » [laughter] 1593 01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:49,480 » I thought with that many agenda items, we wouldn't possibly have any 1594 01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:52,880 » way we would be at this time of the night. 1595 01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:58,440 » Um, so I I've planned to keep it fairly brief. Um, I 1596 01:54:55,680 --> 01:55:05,320 will report on a couple of things. One, uh, water. Um, Um, we have implemented, 1597 01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:08,680 a new metering system throughout the throughout the city 1598 01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:13,920 and it's gone fairly well. We have identified numerous leaks, contacted 1599 01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:18,640 those that that have them 1600 01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:24,240 and and in the last I would say in the last 6 months that we've been doing 1601 01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:29,760 this, uh, we've identified uh, numerous uh, locations and numerous 1602 01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:34,280 items. I would say we're in the tens of millions of of gallons 1603 01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:36,400 uh, of water saved through through leak detection 1604 01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:41,240 um, and uh, we have some that have cut their 1605 01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:44,480 water usage in half and um, 1606 01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:48,880 you know, we we have made a significant progress through through a strategic 1607 01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:53,720 process rather than broad restrictions and everybody, we've 1608 01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:57,680 taken the approach of taking the top 25 to 50 users, 1609 01:55:55,560 --> 01:56:02,360 uh, evaluating their their usage on a weekly basis 1610 01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:06,240 um, and to identify uh, where leaks might be occurring and we've contacted 1611 01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:09,000 them and many um, 1612 01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:12,480 many have been very positive uh, to that they didn't know that they 1613 01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:16,720 had a leak and they were able to fix it. We've had a lot of uh, we've had a lot 1614 01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:21,320 of good response in in that approach. So, uh, I just report that back that's 1615 01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:26,160 uh, success we're having. Um, 1616 01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:29,320 we are uh, we we had a successful um, 1617 01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:34,000 uh, cemetery clean up and we appreciate the help. Uh, we've had our cemetery 1618 01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:38,520 sexton since our last meeting uh, retired and at 1619 01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:42,720 30 years of service, uh, we certainly appreciate his service 1620 01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:48,240 um, and we are looking to to fill positions and and move things around to 1621 01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:52,240 to fill those um, fill that staffing. So, we have a couple 1622 01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:57,280 of temporary staffing that we've brought on from Kelly Temp Services that we're 1623 01:56:54,960 --> 01:57:01,760 filling that with and then we'll have uh work towards a permanent 1624 01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:05,200 uh, filling of of our of our staff vacancies. So, 1625 01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:09,920 um anyway, I think we've we've put in 1626 01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:12,800 sidewalk on 4th South. We've kind of finished the dirt side of the trail. We 1627 01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:17,560 are waiting uh for uh some signage. That's why the 1628 01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:21,240 trail hasn't officially opened uh because we're waiting for some signage. 1629 01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:24,320 Uh we are working on the pedestrian activated lights. We're working 1630 01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:28,240 um on several different fronts to 1631 01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:32,360 be able to to improve where we can and and to 1632 01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:39,320 continue following uh those plans that you've laid out for us. So, um anything 1633 01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:45,360 Ty, you have anything specific? Okay. Um that's that's our brief report 1634 01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:48,280 and we'll make it before 8:00. >> We're setting some precedents here. 1635 01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,480 » Yeah. >> Okay. 1636 01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:57,600 Um so, we will end 1637 01:57:54,000 --> 01:58:01,720 um staff reports. Um this time 1638 01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:09,400 the council needs to go into a closed session. So, we need a motion to go to 1639 01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:12,640 end this meeting and go into a closed session. 1640 01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:15,560 » The purpose is to discuss the purchasing of property to 1641 01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:18,960 » Right. I didn't I didn't say that. >> That's right. I just wanted to call it 1642 01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:22,560 out and make sure the public knows. That's fine. 1643 01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:26,840 » So, at this time we'll excuse everyone in the room and 1644 01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:29,120 going to our closed session as soon as we have a 1645 01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:32,760 » We'll make a motion we go into closed session. 1646 01:58:30,120 --> 01:58:32,760 » Okay.