[0:01] And I see someone's hand. I don't know
who it is.
[0:11] I've got two more emails on the way
here.
[0:13] » Mhm.
[0:18] » [clears throat]
[1:22] » Yeah, I I can do that.
[1:44] » You move over here if you want.
>> Do you want me to?
[1:47] » So you're not so far away.
[1:55] » Oh, wait. He's not here, either.
[1:58] » Yeah.
You know what?
[1:59] » supposed to be here.
>> She'll be here. [clears throat]
[2:07] I did yeah. What time? Cuz I
Scott and Mary's
[2:12] He's dangerous. Okay, thanks Al.
[2:19] Some days I'm home at that time. Usually
once or twice a week.
[2:22] » You're usually early.
>> I work a late shift once a week and a
[2:25] half.
Friday Friday's are my day off.
[2:29] » It's fine.
What's your feeling that every week?
[2:31] » Yeah, we get uh
>> Yeah, you know I was thinking that this
[2:35] would like squat down and
I could never
[2:38] » You got a gal with three poodles
golden doodles that go
[2:41] on the street sometimes.
>> She got golden doodles.
[2:45] » I
>> If you don't own this psychic reading
[2:48] psychic guy
I think it's
[2:52] It's first south
and first worst I think or worst center
[2:56] street.
Two golden retrievers. He never put them
[3:00] on a leash and he they just stay with
them and they he they wouldn't go
[3:03] running across to our dogs.
They're in my in one of the three homes.
[3:10] And we
>> Okay.
[3:14] » dogs and you know
[3:17] They're always puppies too.
>> Okay.
[3:20] Um a little after 6:00. Apologize for
being just a moment late. Uh I'm
[3:25] Kathleen Alder.
I'm the mayor of Providence and welcome
[3:29] to the Wednesday, June 17th
2026 meeting.
[3:35] Um
We appreciate all of you being here. We
[3:39] always like participation.
Um
[3:42] so
we'll go ahead and get started
[3:47] with a roll call.
We have Scott Campbell.
[3:51] Janelle Seeley.
>> I'm
[3:54] I'm Finch.
[3:58] David Coons,
and Brent Speth is on Zoom.
[4:03] Carrie Kirk is excused tonight. She's in
Africa.
[4:08] So,
I said, "Are you sure you're going to be
[4:10] safe there?" And she said,
"I think so." So,
[4:14] let's hope that there she's not in a
place where they're having
[4:18] um Ebola.
So, um
[4:25] I've asked David Coons if he would lead
us in the Pledge of Allegiance. So, if
[4:29] you would stand.
[4:34] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America, and to the
[4:40] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[4:46] justice for all.
[4:53] » Okay, we do have a quorum because we've
got Brent on the
[4:58] um
[5:01] on Zoom. So,
I've asked Scott Campbell if he would
[5:05] give us a prayer tonight unless there's
someone in the audience that would like
[5:08] to give a a thought or a prayer.
Okay?
[5:13] Got it. Thank you.
[5:16] » Our heavenly Father, we are grateful for
the many blessings that thou has given
[5:20] us. We're grateful to live where we do,
where we have relative peace.
[5:24] We're grateful for our good neighbors
and for the
[5:28] good that they desire to do,
and the good works that they do.
[5:32] We're grateful for the opportunity to
discuss the needs of our our city, our
[5:37] wonderful city. We pray that thou
wouldst guide us that we make good
[5:41] decisions.
And we pray for these things in the name
[5:44] of Jesus Christ. Amen.
>> Amen.
[5:47] Thank you.
Um let's go to council reports. We've
[5:51] got a 13-item agenda tonight.
So, we want to move ahead and and go
[5:57] quickly.
So,
[6:00] David, you want to start?
>> Sure.
[6:03] Um
let's see. During the last month, I've
[6:06] been able to uh
help clean up the cemetery with the
[6:10] staff and that was from Memorial Day.
This was a different project than the
[6:15] one I always talk about, but
>> [laughter]
[6:16] » um cleaning up the flowers and things
that were
[6:19] dying and needed to be removed and
that's always good to
[6:22] work with them and and see how hard
everybody works and and just another
[6:26] opportunity to volunteer and and to
serve.
[6:29] Um I was able to go to a meeting through
the ULCT in North Logan. It was just a
[6:34] couple of hours. They talked about
um legislation versus policy and and
[6:40] some other things about a good
discussion and good training to be at.
[6:44] Um the mosquito fogging is in full
swing. It just started at the beginning
[6:48] of the month. So, we had some questions
about that come up
[6:52] earlier that people are being bothered
by them and hopefully that they'll that
[6:56] will literally die down now, I hope, a
little bit. Um
[7:00] as far as the Just Serve project, we
still have ongoing projects and and suc-
[7:06] success with
people signing up wanting to serve.
[7:09] Canyon cleanups and the cemetery project
I brought up before and others. Um
[7:15] Scott, I'll let you report on if if
that's
[7:18] in your notes, I guess, but there's some
other things coming up with in
[7:21] conjunction with America 250 and
um I'll leave it at that.
[7:26] » Thank you.
[7:28] Gina?
>> Um I worked with staff a little bit to
[7:32] refine um and fine-tune our Safe Routes
to School plans as we're transitioning
[7:38] um different school boundaries and
walking paths for Providence Elementary
[7:43] and what will soon be Spring Creek
Elementary. Um
[7:49] I am chairing the fun run for Sauerkraut
Days.
[7:52] So, I've been working on that. Um on the
note of Sauerkraut Days, they are
[7:56] looking for volunteers to cut cabbage on
the 27th of June.
[8:01] Um they have a big commercial kitchen
out at Bridgerland. Um
[8:05] BATC, it's like on the corner of 10th
West and 1400 North. So,
[8:09] if you are interested and willing to
participate in a long-standing
[8:12] tradition, we'll take all the manpower
we can. I think
[8:16] that they say I think last year they did
300 lb of cabbage. So,
[8:20] it's a lot of a lot of slicing. Um
anybody interested?
[8:26] Scott Dun.
Um
[8:29] » It was fun. I had a good time. I met I
got to interact with some neighbors.
[8:34] And uh I thought it was a great time.
>> Yeah, I think I think Brent Speth's
[8:37] going to be there.
>> Yeah, I'll be there.
[8:42] » [laughter]
>> Um I attended um LPC, which is the leg-
[8:46] legislative policy committee for the
interim session for the state
[8:49] legislature.
Um that's pretty much what I've been
[8:52] doing and
responding to lots of emails.
[8:55] So. Okay, thank you.
>> Um since we do have 13 items, I will be
[9:00] a little briefer than I originally
planned. Uh Cache Trails, uh I um had a
[9:06] meeting on the 9th, went over There's
nothing no huge issues. There's a few
[9:10] challenges that they're going through.
Just I just want to report on a couple
[9:13] things that uh going over the Malibu
project they've been working on. They
[9:16] actually have an end date on it now
finally for So, uh November 4th. They're
[9:21] making really good prog- progress.
There's a Hyrum Reservoir project.
[9:24] They've run into a couple little snags
with a couple uh property owners. And
[9:28] so, they're focusing at a different part
of the the trail there on the east side
[9:32] of uh
the reservoir.
[9:35] Um and they're getting ready to start
that. Uh, let's see. Um,
[9:40] Bear Creek Lodge Trail is moving along.
There's just a lot of down trees, so
[9:44] it's probably going to take most of the
summer to clear that out and complete
[9:48] the project or complete the
construction.
[9:50] Uh, America 250, I'll talk about that
for just a moment. We are looking to do
[9:55] some stuff, uh, some service hours, and
so we're looking for some
[10:00] potential service projects. And so I've
spoken with David about some options
[10:06] there, and uh, I'll have a conversation
with the mayor and see if we can
[10:09] solidify some of that. And uh, what the
kind of the idea is 200, since we're
[10:15] celebrating America 250, we want to see
if Province will put in 250 volunteer
[10:21] service hours
between before the city celebration and
[10:26] report them. And let us know a little
bit what we can do, and then we can
[10:29] celebrate what they've accomplished with
at at least 250 service hours.
[10:35] And uh,
Healthy Utah Community Designation, I
[10:39] let us not sign up for that last time,
and they had a deadline in uh,
[10:46] March, I think it was.
And I let us not sign up for that
[10:49] because I was trying to figure out
what's in it for us. What's in it for
[10:52] Province? Well, as I've looked into it
during that time, hey, give me a break.
[10:56] I was new, right? So, I looked at it,
and I think it's actually worthwhile
[11:00] project. It's a good thing to be
designated a healthy city and get
[11:03] involved in the community in helping
people become more healthy, and there's
[11:07] a lot of options for that. So, I'm just
putting it out there.
[11:10] Um, I know we have a very active
community when there's a hot topic, but
[11:15] uh,
if you want to help Province become more
[11:18] healthy and be on a committee, the
commitment would be meet at least once
[11:22] quarterly,
um, help with some certain little
[11:24] projects, and um,
we need a committee of at least four
[11:29] people. I would like at least four
besides me on that committee. So, if
[11:34] anyone
in the audience in the or online would
[11:37] like to participate in something like
that, please reach out to me and let's
[11:41] chat. And that's it. Thanks.
>> Okay, his number's on the website.
[11:46] Um so, and is your email I is your
number on there? Just your email?
[11:51] » thought my email's on there.
If not, people are calling me, so
[11:54] someone's got my phone number
>> [laughter]
[11:56] » and I'm good with that. I don't have a
problem with you calling me.
[11:58] » Been published.
Okay.
[12:00] Um
just a a quick little update. I've been
[12:03] working,
you know,
[12:05] down on the highway,
um in front of Discount Tire
[12:12] and the the medical clinic that's there.
We're missing some sidewalk.
[12:17] And I watch people in the wintertime
trying to navigate getting walking along
[12:22] there and
there's snow and ice and cars rushing
[12:26] by.
And so, I have worked with both of the
[12:30] the
uh landowners right there
[12:33] and we've got letters that say, "Yes, we
would like to have a sidewalk." So,
[12:38] we'll let you not know. We'll work with
them and get a grant
[12:42] and be able to put that sidewalk in so
that people are not walking out on the
[12:46] on the street.
Um seems like we see more and more
[12:50] people that are
that are walking as we're talking about
[12:54] uh how expensive gas and transportation
is.
[12:59] Um
today I had an opportunity to speak with
[13:02] the Kiwanis Club about Providence. Just
telling them a little bit about our
[13:07] history and our background.
And I
[13:12] had them watch the video and and I'm
going to ask if any of you've seen it.
[13:17] It's about the
canyon and the limestone quarry that's
[13:21] up there. Has anybody watched that?
>> I have.
[13:25] » Okay.
It's fascinating.
[13:28] Um it's under historic commission
and it's it's about sauerkraut.
[13:34] Um
they talk about
[13:37] the
the um sugar beets and how they were
[13:42] used to make sugar and how we used
limestone
[13:47] to do that. Uh it was quarried out of
there with horses and then it was
[13:51] then and it we had trucks. Anyway, it's
fascinating.
[13:55] And it was interesting to talk to this
group and and show them what Providence
[14:01] added to this valley and to the
community.
[14:05] Um my job is always to be out in the
public and going to meetings and and
[14:10] making sure that people know who we are
and
[14:13] um it's nice for me to be able to call
um our representatives in the
[14:20] in the United States Senate and
Congress and uh to call our local
[14:26] leaders and have them take the call and
know who we are and know what we do. So,
[14:32] um
I do a lot of that.
[14:35] Don't need to bring all of that up today
um because we want to move ahead. So,
[14:41] Brent, what
have you got a report for us? Can you do
[14:45] that? He's He's on his way to Salt Lake,
so.
[14:48] » I
Yes. I
[14:50] attended the emergency management
meeting and uh
[14:56] with uh this county
and uh
[15:01] I uh there's not much to report on that.
They went through a lot of things, but
[15:06] it's just kind of ongoing stuff.
And uh
[15:10] I also have just been
inundated with work about the uh
[15:19] the ring of
that's been a big deal.
[15:22] Anyway, that's about what all I can
report right now.
[15:26] » Okay.
Thank you.
[15:29] We'll go ahead and close that
item
[15:32] and go to item number one, approval of
minutes. Providence City Council
[15:36] consider and approve for approval
the minutes of May 20th, 2026.
[15:42] So, I will entertain and
a
[15:46] motion.
>> I'll make a motion to approve the
[15:49] minutes from May 20th, 2026.
>> Okay, we have a motion.
[15:53] Second by
um David.
[15:58] Any questions? Any changes?
Just a great big thanks to Ty
[16:05] for such a good job that he does on
them.
[16:08] All in favor?
>> I.
[16:10] » I.
[16:14] » Did you say I?
Brent?
[16:18] » I.
>> Okay. That's okay.
[16:22] Thank you. Motion passes.
Um
[16:26] close that item and go to item number
two.
[16:29] We're going to be talking about public
hearings tonight.
[16:33] We have a public hearing for
our 2026 budget.
[16:38] Um
we'll take comments and questions from
[16:41] the public regarding the request to
adjust the fiscal year. That's our
[16:45] budget that we're working on now.
Um
[16:49] Brian, what would you like to
say about this?
[16:53] » Yeah, let me kind of do a little
introductory.
[16:57] So, at the end of each year,
what we do is we we look at
[17:02] our revenue and and see where where that
revenue is has gone over what we
[17:07] projected it to be.
And then we have a few items that may
[17:11] have come in
that expense would have have trended
[17:15] higher
than we expected.
[17:18] So, the general fund is our 10 funds or
general fund here.
[17:23] We had an additional through a few
different things, state grants. You'll
[17:26] see the state grant came in.
Other various things
[17:30] had we over ran the revenue by about
608,000.
[17:35] And then we've had a few little
off expenses. So, E911 is population
[17:42] resident based.
So, it's tracked higher.
[17:47] You know, there's been a few other
little things that have tracked higher.
[17:51] But overall,
we we had about
[17:55] 300,000 in expense. So, we transferred
the rest of that 388,000
[18:01] into our
um
[18:03] uh
in our capital projects fund. So, at
[18:07] that point the revenue and expense in
the general fund balance again balances
[18:12] out.
So, while we had a few um extra ones
[18:16] come in,
we still had an extra 300,000 388,000 to
[18:22] transfer our general fund.
Um the general the capital projects
[18:26] fund,
we had some extra revenue.
[18:30] Had a few extra expenses, but at that
point at the end of the day, we're
[18:33] within that $12,000 or just above
$12,000 difference there
[18:38] in revenue. So, on the positive side.
Um on the water side, our revenue came
[18:42] in higher than than our
little
[18:45] expense adjustments by 175,000.
So, we're making some adjustments there.
[18:51] Um the sewer funds, the revenue came in
higher.
[18:56] We had a few extra expenses in a few of
these.
[18:59] But we're still revenue
a net income side on that.
[19:04] Um
the 53 the storm
[19:07] storm fund, did not not a lot goes
through the storm water fund, but we did
[19:11] have a few adjustments.
Um the garbage fund
[19:15] with our revenue we our revenue didn't
grow as fast as projected and we had a
[19:20] few extra expenses. Um depreciation hit
in um a little bit more than expected.
[19:26] And so so we have a little
um little bit of a of a
[19:31] of a loss compared to what the original
budget was. Still a profit in that
[19:36] um
and then in the fiber fund our revenue
[19:39] is higher. We had a few adjustments
utility and network operation. Network
[19:43] operations is based on
um on a number of connections. So um we
[19:49] projected a little conservative. We had
more connect than we expected. So
[19:54] overall that's what we had. So we'll the
only fund that we have
[19:57] uh cost going up more than the revenue
going up is is our garbage fund. Um but
[20:02] still a profitable
um
[20:04] profitable fund. So anyway, that's what
I
[20:08] what I have and then if we have public
comment. So
[20:11] if they have any questions.
>> great report.
[20:14] That's what we like to hear on the
budget that we've
[20:17] got more revenue than we thought we were
going to get.
[20:20] » So.
>> Um
[20:23] I
[20:26] » [clears throat]
>> Sometimes this form is a little
[20:28] confusing.
But do we have anybody that's signed up
[20:33] to talk about this subject?
[20:38] Okay.
Not hearing any, we will go on to item
[20:42] number three.
Um this is
[20:46] » You'll need to close that public hearing
as official.
[20:48] » Oh.
>> [clears throat]
[20:49] » Yeah.
>> Let me officially close
[20:52] that public hearing.
>> Perfect.
[20:54] » Thank you.
Uh item number three, elective and
[20:57] statutory officers compensation public
hearing.
[21:01] Providence City Council will take
comments and questions from the public
[21:04] regarding the the elective and statutory
officers' compensation as found in
[21:09] fiscal year 2027 budget.
So, Ryan,
[21:15] yours, too.
>> Yep. Yep, I got I got quite a few until
[21:18] we get to the real
real exciting one. So, I got the budget
[21:23] and all of the all of those ones.
Um so, it was, you know, budget um
[21:28] um
document of the tenant part of the
[21:31] tentative budget. Um so, this is just
going over that. Um
[21:36] we we look at the
um
[21:39] uh salary surveys. We look at the
adjustments. Um we base most of our
[21:44] adjustments on the cost of living
adjustment. Um so, we have a few So, a
[21:50] few changes here. Uh planning
commission, um my own here.
[21:55] Um and
the staff side, we're at at a two two
[21:59] and a half percent cola with a uh two
and a half percent merit potential.
[22:04] Um
we show what the salary ranges are. Uh
[22:09] our last salary adjustment uh our salary
range study was in 2024.
[22:14] Um
and uh so, we are due that. We probably
[22:18] could have done it this year. We'll do
it next year. Um but every two to three
[22:22] years we do that. Um we have the number
of years of experience. Um we also put,
[22:27] you know, in the
in the broader scale, we put the uh
[22:31] number of hours worked and the number of
PTO hours returned uh for total donated
[22:36] amount. Um
and uh so, then we have um we watch our
[22:42] uh
pay scale pay ranges compared to our uh
[22:47] both
the cost of living um
[22:50] at the CPI. Um we also compare that to
the
[22:55] uh rate of of uh salary of uh
resident change uh and see how we can we
[23:01] compete with both um residents as well
as national as well as state. So,
[23:07] anyway,
um basically, that's that's where we're
[23:10] at is uh um the judge, they dictate what
that happens. So, we know exactly they
[23:16] they tell us what that is.
Um so, anyway, we're within the salary
[23:20] ranges. Um and as that salary range
moves up, you imagine
[23:24] um
the the pay scales adjust accordingly.
[23:28] So, anyway, any questions that you have
with that one? The public?
[23:38] No questions?
>> Okay.
[23:42] We will um close that
public hearing and go on to item number
[23:47] four. This is a final budget hearing.
Providence City Council will take
[23:52] comments and questions from public
regarding the city's fiscal year 2027
[23:57] final budget. If you'll remember, we
introduced it a month ago.
[24:02] Gave people an opportunity to
peruse it and to give us feedback.
[24:08] And so, now we're giving a final
opportunity to make comment in meeting
[24:14] if they'd like to.
So, Ryan, Ryan?
[24:17] » Yep. So, that that great summary we've
we've uh this matches almost um almost
[24:23] exactly with just a few technical words.
Um
[24:26] it it matches to what the tentative was.
Uh if you remember, on the tentative
[24:30] proposal or the proposed tentative had
the
[24:33] um
the property tax increase. We removed uh
[24:37] that to truth in taxation
um in favor of having just the ballot.
[24:42] We'll talk about the ballot languages
for the library, so that doesn't include
[24:45] it. Um so, at this point, this would be
the final budget to to approve. This
[24:51] would if if approved as is, it would
approve the compensation schedule.
[24:55] Um and
this will be the public hearing for it,
[24:58] but later when it's approved, that would
approve the compensation schedule and
[25:01] and the no property tax increase as it
stands. Um, so at this point, um, just
[25:08] to go through a little bit of how we
come to the budget for those that may be
[25:12] new, um,
the the method of of this is we take the
[25:18] cap the capital projects um,
programs for each of the different uh
[25:24] funds we have,
and uh and we take that to try to
[25:28] accomplish some of those objectives.
And then we also work to have the budget
[25:33] to be uh a continuation of services that
are provided.
[25:39] Um, so we work to try to provide
continuation of service plus achieving
[25:44] the capital project needs that have been
identified in the plans. So, um,
[25:50] anyway, then we go through, we talk
about the history, we talk about our
[25:53] accomplishments. Uh, we have uh the
compensation schedule, the
[25:58] organizational chart. Um, we have the
organizational chart both by um by
[26:04] employee but also by type of
responsibility that's done. Uh, we talk
[26:09] about the basis of budgeting, our
financial policies, um, our revenues, uh
[26:14] capital improvements each year for for
the long range. Uh, our budget does
[26:19] include a five-year outlook. Um, so we
have inside the budget it'll show two
[26:24] years prior, current year, and three
years uh but then we also project out uh
[26:31] a five-year model. So, this year and
four more years, plus then we have a
[26:35] five to 10-year uh outlook. Um, so you
can look through our budget and kind of
[26:40] project what we're going to do for next
not just this year uh this coming year,
[26:45] but but for the five to 10-year uh
outlook. Um, and what projects are
[26:50] coming up. So, if anybody wants to say,
"Hey, when's when's the road in front of
[26:53] mine?" Or or how far out is this
project?
[26:57] Um the budget really guides a lot of
that. And And then we have links inside
[27:01] the budget to any of those plans of
where those numbers are coming from. So,
[27:06] um we can go in great depth, but at this
point um
[27:10] the the the few things that have changed
is kind of a highlighting where sales
[27:15] tax we changed the property tax cuz
there's no property tax.
[27:18] Um but if you go through, there's just a
few small
[27:22] uh wording differences that have been
included. So, nothing substantive. So,
[27:27] anyway, if anybody has questions or
would like to go more in depth than I'm
[27:31] a nerd that I can go and through it. Um
as a as a trained CPA, I'm happy to go
[27:36] to the nth degree, but I know that it's
boring to a lot. And we've got a big
[27:40] agenda, so I'll I'll go to whatever
length you want to go.
[27:44] » I'm a bottom line kind of girl.
>> [laughter]
[27:46] » I don't I don't need to to know how the
carburetor works.
[27:50] Know that the car will turn on.
Um but he does a great job. He
[27:55] we are
extremely lucky to have someone with his
[27:59] background
to be able to do our budgets and keep
[28:02] them
keep them keep on top of them so that we
[28:06] can end the year and say we didn't
overspend anywhere.
[28:10] So, thank you Ryan for the work that you
do.
[28:13] Um not seeing any comments,
we'll close
[28:18] uh item number four on the final budget
public hearing
[28:22] and go to item number five.
This is um
[28:27] » [snorts]
>> Providence City Code 5-4-7
[28:30] amended public hearing. The public
Excuse me, the Providence City Council
[28:35] will take comments and questions
from the public regarding a resident
[28:39] request to amend PCC 54
5-4-7,
[28:45] which deals with swimming pool
fence regulations.
[28:50] So,
um
[28:55] Do you Yes.
>> She is our attorney.
[28:59] » Yes, I know who it is.
>> [laughter]
[29:05] » Hi.
Just wanted to come out tonight and
[29:08] speak on the
proposal here.
[29:12] Um
I don't necessarily have a problem with
[29:16] the proposal for the actual change to
the uh covers
[29:20] of swimming pools being secure as long
as they follow the regulations, which is
[29:25] already in.
But, it
[29:28] is a little bit strange to me, and I
thought I should raise it to the council
[29:32] that
um there is a request that this be made
[29:36] retroactive to cancel any
current um
[29:41] prosecution or other sorts of um
activities based on this. Now,
[29:49] I also serve as
civil uh code compliance for other
[29:54] cities, and
as a prosecuting attorney, and it's
[29:58] likely that if this were passed,
if there were any open citations or
[30:02] things that that would be evaluated by
the prosecuting authority,
[30:06] but I do feel that it is a little bit
out of line for the legislative side to
[30:13] preemptively say,
"This has not been okay for 5 10 years,
[30:19] and there are active cases, but we're
going to strip those away just because
[30:25] something is changing now." Especially
when proper notices have been given that
[30:28] people were out of compliance and they
were
[30:31] may have chosen to willfully not
comply. Those are the kinds of things
[30:35] that we don't want to see happening in
the city, whether or not
[30:39] the specifics of the
>> [clears throat]
[30:42] » regulations do change. And that's part
of the the duties of the compliance and
[30:48] I don't even handle that side for Pro-
Providence per se. Um
[30:53] but I do think that it's worth the
council knowing that I don't
[30:59] feel that
it's very just
[31:03] to make that portion of the change if it
were to be adopted.
[31:09] » Thank you.
[31:13] » My name's Deanne Henninger and I
actually submitted the application. So,
[31:17] I appreciate your support. However, with
the retroactive, I talked to an attorney
[31:22] as well and I looked this up and
typically
[31:26] when you do retroactive, it hurts
residents by foreseeing unexpected
[31:30] expenses, but here it actually helps
residents by legalizing existing highly
[31:36] safe technology. And if you have two
neighbors with the exact same cover,
[31:41] it's just going to be
equal. It's not going to be like, "Okay,
[31:45] when did you put yours in? When did you
know?" It's just equal. These covers
[31:49] have to meet these guidelines. I don't
know if you if I need to go over what
[31:53] the guidelines are if you guys have a
copy of the application.
[31:57] » Probably if you just want to explain
what you're asking for and why you're
[32:00] asking.
>> Okay.
[32:01] » And then
um this is a public hearing, so you
[32:05] you can explain what you're doing and
then
[32:08] » Okay.
>> um you're
[32:09] you're explaining that to the council.
>> Okay.
[32:12] » And then if there's anyone in the
audience that wants to make a comment,
[32:15] they can certainly do that.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[32:18] Um this is my first one, so
>> That's okay.
[32:20] » Okay, so I'm proposing that Providence
updates um their zoning codes regarding
[32:26] residential residential swimming pools,
hot tubs, and spas.
[32:30] My amendment seeks to bring Providence
into direct alignment with the state
[32:34] guidelines for recognizing the ASTM
F1346
[32:40] certified safety covers
as a fully compliant alternative to a
[32:44] perimeter fence and to apply the
standard retroactively across the city.
[32:49] So, I don't know if like I say if you
have a copy of that, but there's a
[32:54] a governing body, the International
Swimming Pool and Spa Code section 305.1
[33:00] that says that if a spa has a lockable
safety cover or a pool has a powered
[33:05] safety cover meeting the ASTM F1346
standards, a perimeter fence shall not
[33:13] be required.
So, the state of Utah has adopted this
[33:17] code as well as Cache County has adopted
it and the majority of the
[33:21] municipalities in Cache County.
Um
[33:25] and I can go over those um that that
code that that the ASTM F1346
[33:32] um it has certain requirements. It
allows 485 lb to be on it without
[33:39] collapsing. That's enough for two adults
and a child.
[33:42] It requires um no water be shown. Um
you can't get access to the water at
[33:49] all. It also has it so the water can't
sit on top of the cover. It seeps
[33:54] through so there's not standing water.
And then the last thing is it has a
[33:58] lockable
um
[34:00] code, either a key lock or a code that
has to be in um
[34:05] visible to the pool. And that's how you
open it and close it. So, that's what
[34:10] the International Swimming Pool has uh
code has recommended, the state of Utah
[34:15] has adopted it, and Cache County has
adopted it.
[34:18] Okay. So, I don't
Is that all I need to
[34:22] » That's good. All right. Thank you for
your explanation.
[34:28] Any comments on this item?
Again, this is a public hearing. We will
[34:33] we'll talk about this and vote on it
tonight. So, we'll take some action
[34:37] tonight.
Um
[34:40] but this is just the public hearing part
of it.
[34:45] Yeah.
That's okay. Go ahead and get it.
[34:53] So, I'll go ahead and close item number
five. That's the end of our public
[34:58] hearings.
We'll go to item number six.
[35:03] Um
item number six is resolution 06-2026
[35:10] fiscal year 2026 budget adjustment.
Providence City Council will view
[35:17] review, discuss, and may take action on
a resolution that adjusts fiscal year
[35:21] 2026 budget.
So,
[35:25] I will take a motion on this item.
[35:35] » I will try. Okay.
I [clears throat] make a motion that
[35:40] resolution 06-2026
FYE 2026 budget adjustment um
[35:49] be
passed. Is that how we do it? Okay. To
[35:54] be passed.
>> I'll second that. Here we have a motion
[35:57] and a second. Further discussion?
[36:03] Brent, you have anything?
[36:09] » He's muted.
>> Okay.
[36:13] Um Okay, we have a motion and a second.
All in favor?
[36:18] » I.
>> I.
[36:21] » Brent?
[36:24] » He's trying to greet a groundhog at the
airport, so it might be bedtime.
[36:27] » The plane didn't come in till 7:00.
>> Is he still muted?
[36:29] » So, they're probably walking
toward the
[36:32] » But, you have three.
>> Yeah.
[36:34] » So, we have a quorum.
>> Yeah.
[36:36] » Okay.
All right. We'll go ahead and
[36:40] um
No opposed.
[36:43] Um motion carries.
So, we'll close that item, go to item
[36:47] number seven.
Resolution 05-2026
[36:51] certified tax rate.
The City Council will consider for
[36:55] adoption a resolution establishing the
certified tax rate for fiscal year 2027.
[37:01] I'm going to have Ryan explain this a
little bit so that you understand why we
[37:06] have to do this.
>> Yeah.
[37:08] So, [clears throat]
what there is is there is
[37:11] um a property tax rate. If we If we
request
[37:16] the property tax revenue of the amount
of the previous year, then that is the
[37:22] certified rate. If we increase the
amount, then we need to go through truth
[37:26] and taxation. So, this basically says
we're only requesting of the residents
[37:32] the amount of property tax we received
in the prior year. So, that it's no
[37:36] property tax increase
um and that that's where we get the
[37:40] truth of the uh certified tax rate. So,
that that would indi- If we adopt it at
[37:45] this rate, we have no property tax
increase. That's what we're That's what
[37:48] we're proposing.
>> Okay.
[37:51] So, I'll entertain a motion.
[37:55] » I'll entertain a motion to adopt the um
certified tax rate
[37:59] for fiscal year 2027.
But, I did Well, I'll make a comment
[38:04] after that.
>> Yeah, we'll we'll do it after.
[38:06] Uh do we have a second?
>> I'll second.
[38:08] » Okay, we have a second.
Um
[38:12] comments,
questions?
[38:14] » Um I think just for the public's
benefit, as as your value changes,
[38:19] your percentage of property tax does not
change we adopt the certified tax rate.
[38:24] So,
if the assessor changes the value of
[38:27] your house,
>> you will pay
[38:29] » percentage of that value doesn't change.
The actual number might change, but the
[38:32] percentage does not.
That
[38:35] may be helpful.
>> Correct.
[38:37] Um
>> Am I wrong?
[38:38] » Y- Yeah, that's that's
>> [clears throat]
[38:41] » So,
>> [gasps]
[38:42] » so it is
the to clarify that,
[38:45] this is is across all all residents
considered together. It would be the
[38:51] same So, if you take the valuation of
all houses, of all businesses,
[38:57] and uh
and you know, take take our property
[39:01] tax, divide by all all value, then you
get a rate.
[39:04] Um
if one person's house
[39:09] goes up faster in value than than the
average,
[39:13] they may see a difference in theirs. So,
um so there there might be So, if one
[39:19] house, an individual
So, on a on a macro level,
[39:23] it that's correct. On a micro level,
your house may increase value faster
[39:28] than your neighbors, and so your tax may
go up. Um the rate as as
[39:34] as the values go up, the rate actually
will go down every year. So, so the rate
[39:38] declines. So, this is this is a less of
a rate than last year. So, the rate is
[39:42] actually lower.
>> Okay.
[39:45] » But the But the amount the the value of
property tax is the same. And so, if
[39:50] your if the value of your house went up,
then your rate went down.
[39:55] To get to the same number.
>> Right.
[39:57] » Does that make sense?
>> Yes.
[39:59] » And everybody understands that, right?
>> It's okay.
[40:02] » It is confusing.
Um
[40:05] » So, are you saying
if the dollar value
[40:09] assessed for my home
goes up,
[40:13] this dollar amount in this here doesn't
change, Just my percentage of that
[40:20] dollar amount changes.
>> Yeah, you may pay more than your
[40:22] neighbor if your house value goes up
faster than theirs does.
[40:26] So, it may change yours on an on an
individual basis, it may change yours.
[40:31] All residents, if we had more businesses
coming in faster, that new business new
[40:36] new uh uh and the value of of our
business was growing faster than the
[40:41] residents, then the residents all would
get reduction in taxes.
[40:46] » It's a dollar amount getting getting all
this alteration. Man, I'm glad I don't
[40:50] do this.
>> [laughter]
[40:52] » Same dollar amount. Wow, that's a
nightmare.
[40:57] » I think my comment
ins- uh
[41:00] added confusion. I might have meant to
be clarifying, but
[41:03] » [laughter]
>> I understand.
[41:04] » it's good question.
>> I understand what you're saying.
[41:05] » That's why we have Ryan do this stuff.
>> It leads to clarification. Yeah.
[41:10] There you go.
>> One one step.
[41:12] » Yeah.
>> Okay, so we have a motion
[41:14] and a second on the table. Further
discussion?
[41:18] All in favor?
>> I.
[41:20] » I.
>> I.
[41:22] » Oh, good job, Brent. Thank you.
Um
[41:27] uh motion carries. So,
we'll close that on the certified tax
[41:33] rate and go to item number eight.
Um ordinance
[41:39] 09-2026
fiscal year 2027 final budgets.
[41:44] Providence City Council will consider
for adoption a resolution
[41:49] uh
[41:52] approving the fiscal year 2027 final
budgets for all funds.
[41:57] So, I will entertain a motion.
[42:04] » I'll make a motion that we adopt um
ordinance 09-2026
[42:08] fiscal year 2027 final budgets
for fiscal year Yeah, fiscal year 2027.
[42:15] » Okay.
>> I second it.
[42:16] » So, we have a motion and a second.
Any further discussion?
[42:25] Okay. All in favor?
>> I.
[42:28] » I.
>> I.
[42:32] » Thank you.
>> Be sure and speak into the microphones.
[42:35] » Okay. Are you hearing me okay?
>> I am hearing you, Mayor. Yes, very good.
[42:40] » Thank you.
>> It's cuz I'm right on top of the mic.
[42:43] » [laughter]
>> Okay.
[42:46] Um let's go to item number nine.
Ordinance
[42:53] 07-2026
parcel 02-095-0031.
[43:02] It's a rezone.
Providence City Council will review,
[43:05] discuss, and may take action on an
ordinance authorizing the rezone
[43:10] of parcel 02-095-0031
[43:16] located in the general area of 96 North
Main, Providence, Utah.
[43:21] Approval of the ordinance will rezone
the parcel from R112
[43:25] to mixed use
um
[43:29] Planning Commission held a public
hearing on May 13th with continued
[43:33] discussion on June 10th and motioned
that the City Council approve the
[43:38] rezone. Motion failed two to three.
So, that's where we stand.
[43:45] Um the Planning Commission is a
recommending body, not
[43:50] an approval body. This the
um City Council is an approval body.
[43:57] So,
um
[43:59] this is the time that the council we've
heard from lots of people. I bet you
[44:03] we've had 25 letters.
Um do we have anything
[44:09] I am on the
>> I've sent you all as of an hour before
[44:13] this meeting.
>> Okay.
[44:17] So, we've all read the letters. We've
all watched the planning commission
[44:21] uh commissions and the meetings that
have been held. We've
[44:26] we've watched um and listened
to you with your phone calls and the
[44:31] things that you're concerned about.
Um
[44:39] because we've had two public hearings on
this, I think I'm not going to have the
[44:45] audience stand up. We've read all the
letters. We know what how everyone feels
[44:50] about
everything.
[44:53] And so, unless the council feels
differently,
[44:58] » Unless there's somebody here who hasn't
sent something in.
[45:02] » Yeah.
>> Do we have anyone that has not sent
[45:05] something in or not spoken at previous
meetings?
[45:11] We have two lonely hands. Three.
Okay, I will take those three
[45:19] um
comments. So, you need to come up.
[45:27] So, that's the criteria. If you haven't
spoken and you haven't before and if you
[45:31] haven't sent something to us,
>> I have not done any of the following.
[45:35] » Okay.
>> Okay, am I good to
[45:38] » You're good to go. We need your name. We
need your name.
[45:41] » My name's Owen Geddes.
Um and I've been a citizen of the
[45:45] historic district of Providence for my
entire life. Um I want to give a little
[45:49] bit of background on myself. I want to
establish that I'm not repeating
[45:53] anything that my parents are putting or
showing to me. I care deeply about this
[45:57] community and I am as civically engaged
as I possibly can. Um I'll be
[46:02] representing Utah at Boys Nation this
coming July and meeting with our
[46:07] senators Lee and Curtis. I'm also the
student body president at Ridgeline High
[46:10] School and I will be voting in the
coming months. This proposed development
[46:15] on 96 North Main, no matter how much
thought or planning is put into it, is a
[46:19] detriment to this community.
It is merely a copout for the maximum
[46:24] amount of units that he would like to
put on the the the parcel
[46:30] so he can make as much profit as
possible. Um, in uh in the Planning and
[46:34] Zoning Commission meeting on May 13th,
Mr. Robin said himself, "People don't
[46:39] realize that one of the buildings
actually has three two-car garages along
[46:44] the back of it that takes up the
commercial space on the main level."
[46:48] This shows how the garage space that is
that can be used on this building will
[46:54] take up the commercial space in the
building, not allowing it to contribute
[46:58] the described purpose of developing a a
community walkable space and it will
[47:02] just be used for garages for future
tenants of the area.
[47:08] Um,
the economic viability of the area as
[47:12] has been previously established as not
conducive of building of businesses as
[47:18] businesses in the past have left and our
even our own sitting building has left
[47:23] that street. Um, this direction that
this project sets our city on is not one
[47:28] that young people like myself are
interested in.
[47:33] Personally, I have loved the community
that I've lived in and especially the
[47:37] historic charm that it has built and
left an impact on my own life. Um,
[47:42] by putting in high-density housing on a
spot zone in the middle of our
[47:47] community, it destroys that charm and
ultimately detracts from future home
[47:51] buyers who want to move into the
community.
[47:55] Um,
it also does not even address the
[47:58] affordability issue that I will have to
face in my future as I seek for a home
[48:02] no matter how much the the developer may
say that they will be affordable units.
[48:08] Um growth and construction are a
necessary part of any city, but they
[48:12] need to be put in proper areas for it to
contribute to the health of the city.
[48:17] This development is completely
irresponsible and is not put in a
[48:19] location that will be to the benefit of
our community.
[48:23] » Yeah, one minute.
>> Does not address the purposes the
[48:26] developer says, but contributes to
safety concerns such as parking in our
[48:30] bike lanes, which we have made a
big issue in our community in trying to
[48:36] allow cyclists to have the safest route
they can.
[48:40] Um
As established before, it will not
[48:42] likely even stand as a commercial center
because of the garages that will be put
[48:47] underneath in lieu of the commercial
space.
[48:50] I urge you council to follow the council
of the planning and zoning commission as
[48:54] they've reviewed and looked at this
issue greatly. I also urge you guys to
[48:58] council together as our elected
officials. Um there are you have been
[49:02] voting in by the people of Providence.
Um and I urge you to follow each other's
[49:06] council and not the council of other
city employees or the opinions of other
[49:09] city employees who may
push you in one direction. I plead you
[49:13] with you to see the damage that this
development will cause and by denying
[49:17] this rezone, you will protect our
historic Providence. Thank you.
[49:21] » Thank you.
[49:25] Okay, who was the other hand?
Okay.
[49:31] So, you've not spoken in another
meeting, not sent anything.
[49:34] » Honestly, this is not planned or
rehearsed at all. I
[49:38] I uh
>> We need your name.
[49:40] » I'm Christopher Brown. I live on on
Sears Street in Providence.
[49:45] Um
and I guess
[49:48] my thoughts are
uh
[49:51] Jody, I know Jody. Jody's actually a
really good guy. I don't I don't think
[49:57] anyone who opposes this knows Jody very
well. But, Jody doesn't do things
[50:02] just to be the most profitable possible.
I don't know if you guys are aware of
[50:06] his developments, what he has done.
He is a remarkable developer. He's a
[50:11] remarkable
um builder. He does a good job.
[50:16] And his communities feel wonderful.
Jody has a great vision for what looks
[50:22] good, what feels good. I know he cares
about the community. He cares about his
[50:26] neighbors.
He cares about people in general.
[50:30] That's That's just who Jody is, for
anyone who doesn't know him.
[50:33] Uh one of the nicest guys, truly you'll
ever meet.
[50:37] Uh I served my mission in Guatemala.
Guatemala has something really special
[50:43] that we don't have here. They call them
tiendas.
[50:46] Uh on just about every street, every
block in Guatemala, they have
[50:52] a house where you they don't have all
these zoning ordinances and all these
[50:55] rules, and they have a house where
people can just go and buy whatever they
[51:00] want. And it is so incredibly convenient
uh to go buy a soda or go buy uh
[51:10] some rice or beans or whatever. And I I
don't think Jody's going to sell rice
[51:13] and beans. He may, who knows.
Uh
[51:17] you know, there's kind of this we kind
of get in these opinions where
[51:21] you know, we just don't want to change
things. We don't want to change the
[51:26] status quo.
Um
[51:29] but you know, I think this would be
remarkable for the community, uh for the
[51:34] schools, for
convenience, uh to stay away from the
[51:39] traffic of
I mean, the traffic is getting horrible
[51:43] over there.
And you know, if you want to get a
[51:45] haircut or
buy a soda or something,
[51:49] yeah. it would be awesome. I I think
the Logan Marketplace that's over there
[51:56] is incredible. I love stopping there and
grabbing something every now and then. I
[52:00] don't think
any of us think that it's a huge eyesore
[52:04] on the community. You know, if you do, I
guess everyone's entitled to their
[52:07] opinion, but I think it's a huge benefit
uh for that community. People stop and
[52:11] use it
uh
[52:13] all the time.
And so,
[52:16] you know, I I hope you guys would
consider it. Uh
[52:19] I think it would be worthwhile.
Uh as far as housing is concerned, you
[52:24] know, when you get a lot of public
opinion on housing, you know, if people
[52:28] like don't build these apartments or
don't do this, don't do that, you know,
[52:33] if you really care about affordable
housing, you have to build houses.
[52:38] Doesn't matter if they're more
expensive, doesn't matter if they're
[52:40] less expensive. If there's more supply,
cost of housing goes down.
[52:46] And if people don't increase the supply,
then the cost of housing goes up. That's
[52:50] just what happens. That's just
economics. And part of the problem with
[52:53] affordability is that we
there's too many rules and stipulations
[52:59] for builders to build, and they just
can't build enough housing to get cost
[53:03] down. You Ir- Irregardless of cost of
construction, if there's
[53:07] lots of supply,
cost of housing will go down. That's the
[53:11] way economics work. So, anyway, that's
all the time I need.
[53:14] » Thank you for your comment.
Okay, who was the other hand?
[53:18] Okay.
[53:26] » Hello. Uh I'm Justin McMurtie.
Um I have not commented as of yet or
[53:32] sent an email,
but I would like to
[53:35] voice my support for the rezone
with one structural condition.
[53:39] Uh for context, I'm a Cache Valley
native. I grew up in Millville.
[53:43] Um and I moved away to go to school and
I ended up in Provo working at tech
[53:48] companies down there for a decade.
Um I lived in Provo for a decade and one
[53:53] of the main inspirations from the
proposal is Provo Center Street.
[53:58] Um I lived very close to Provo Center
Street for a decade.
[54:02] Uh and I loved the area. It was
walkable, it was human scale, and the
[54:06] shops and the housing close together
made the area feel alive.
[54:10] It wasn't a bunch of people pretending
their neighbors don't exist in their
[54:12] houses.
People came out and did things together.
[54:15] It was cool.
Um
[54:18] that is hard to build and I think it's
worth encouraging here.
[54:22] Uh much of the opposition I've heard
points out that it would be better if it
[54:26] was a block to the south.
Um and maybe that's true, but I I don't
[54:30] think that we should let perfect become
the enemy of good. If this is good for
[54:34] the community, then it should be good
whether it's a block away or not.
[54:39] Um but a the condition here, the
structural concern that I have that was
[54:43] voiced, is a rezone outlasts a specific
proposal.
[54:48] Uh and mixed-use entitlements attached
to the land and run to any future owner
[54:53] and not just Jody.
Um
[54:56] that the vision is excellent,
uh but the zoning rezoning alone doesn't
[55:01] guarantee it gets built.
Uh so I ask that a development agreement
[55:05] is adopted concurrently if it's is if
the rezone goes forward
[55:10] so that the it's structure and
structures of the rezone doesn't take
[55:14] effect until that agreement is recorded.
Uh that way it would bind the property
[55:18] and any future owners or any future
developers to the standards that are
[55:22] agreed upon.
Um ideally, it would set specific
[55:26] binding standards that spell out what's
prohibitive prohibited, not just
[55:31] describe the the vision that we that I
like at least.
[55:36] Um I will add that it's not right next
to my property,
[55:40] but I lived right by something like this
in the past, and I would support it if
[55:44] it was proposed next to my property.
Uh, with that in
[55:48] with that pr-
uh,
[55:51] binding agreement in place, I would
strongly support this.
[55:54] » Thank you.
Okay.
[55:58] Um,
Sue, you haven't written in and you have
[56:03] Okay.
>> Well, I don't have it written in, but I
[56:05] say something.
>> Okay.
[56:08] So, this is the last.
[56:15] » My name's Janice Rasmussen, and I wasn't
planning on talking, but I feel the
[56:21] need.
I would hope that this rezoning is
[56:27] voted down.
I live across the street from where the
[56:30] developer wants to put it.
I have an issue with
[56:34] everything that is going across the
street, and it doesn't matter whether
[56:38] he's a nice guy or not. A lot of people
are nice, but don't want this.
[56:44] Um,
I've lived there for lots of years
[56:48] across the street as well as my
neighbors.
[56:52] And
um, it's just it's a good idea that he
[56:57] wants to
>> Janice, just a minute. Can we have the
[57:00] » hear everybody.
[57:04] » Go ahead,
>> Janice. I
[57:06] I'm got distracted.
I um,
[57:10] don't agree with the rezoning. I He's
got a nice idea, just not in the place
[57:15] that he wants to put it. And as far as
the email that he sent out where the
[57:20] places was just going to become
dilapidated and everybody was going to
[57:24] die, that was pathetic. That's worst
email I've ever seen.
[57:29] And I
I uh, um,
[57:33] I would just like to ask him and those
people that were here at those two
[57:38] meetings ago and everyone, would you
like this across street from you?
[57:44] Thank you.
[57:46] Okay.
Um,
[57:51] with that,
now is the time that the council will
[57:54] discuss and
make decisions. We've We've been
[57:59] immersed in this for 3 weeks. Jody, did
you want to say anything before we do
[58:03] our discussion?
[58:09] Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Excuse
me. Excuse me.
[58:13] This is my meeting.
Well, he has, but he's also the
[58:18] developer.
And so,
[58:24] » He paid the application.
>> He paid the application. It's It's his
[58:27] time. So, let's give that to him.
>> I have a full presentation, but it
[58:31] doesn't necessarily seem appropriate to
>> don't need all of that. We've We've
[58:36] listened to all of this.
>> I would love to just address a couple of
[58:40] of
um, the comments that just came in and
[58:43] I'll I'll keep it brief.
Uh,
[58:47] people have misrepresented the
information that I've put out. I have
[58:50] the plans on my website, so they can see
them. Um, I said a portion of one of the
[58:56] buildings has garages in it. There's
still about 1,800 square feet of
[59:03] commercial space across three
storefronts
[59:06] that are very viable small business
locations um,
[59:11] with over 300 in-house businesses in in
Providence. It seems like there's a need
[59:18] for this type of location.
Um,
[59:22] people have have said that it's not a
viable location.
[59:26] Um,
Looking at Providence Main Street,
[59:30] there's no available commercial space.
Yes, there's vacant space,
[59:36] but
the owner, for whatever reason, does not
[59:40] have that up for rent. So, we, in our
research,
[59:45] the location is very viable. We've also
had
[59:49] um
entrepreneurs from the exact types of
[59:54] businesses that we're looking for in
their community engaging businesses
[59:58] show interest in in being there. And
this is
[1:00:01] cafe, florist, um
uh
[1:00:07] bakery, uh soda,
uh ice cream shop.
[1:00:11] And we've actually had a couple of
others that aren't on the list and
[1:00:15] aren't in our top tier of of
what we think is the most community
[1:00:19] engaging.
Um
[1:00:22] I understand
that the neighbors have have concern
[1:00:26] about uh
this project.
[1:00:30] We've designed this from the beginning
to be uh pedestrian scale. And it is is
[1:00:37] smaller and further away from the
property line
[1:00:41] than what current zoning allows. From
it's smaller
[1:00:46] and further away from our neighbors.
It's shorter than what we could build
[1:00:50] there with current zoning.
We also um
[1:00:55] have are taking steps to ensure that
it's not an eyesore to neighbors and
[1:01:01] that that it doesn't adversely affect
the neighbors. So, we want this to be
[1:01:07] something that the entire community can
enjoy, including the residents on Main
[1:01:12] Street. So,
um
[1:01:15] with that, I I doesn't seem like it
would be fair for me to put any other
[1:01:19] points out other than addressing the
concerns that were brought up today. So,
[1:01:24] » Thank you.
>> Uh
[1:01:24] » unless you guys have any questions for
me.
[1:01:28] » I think we've
I think that we've all been immersed in
[1:01:31] this for
>> Okay. Thank you very much.
[1:01:35] » Thank you.
[1:01:38] Okay.
Um
[1:01:43] You want to talk about it? You want to
do a motion?
[1:01:49] » I'd rather discussion.
>> Yeah. I think discussion.
[1:01:52] » Okay.
>> Can Brent still hear us?
[1:01:54] » Brent, are you still on there?
>> I am.
[1:01:59] » Okay.
>> Yes, I am. I I
[1:02:01] Can I speak now?
>> Yes, please.
[1:02:05] » Okay. Um as I have
reviewed and reviewed and thought about
[1:02:10] this, uh
in 2000
[1:02:14] uh master plan,
mixed use was not even a consideration.
[1:02:19] In 2010, mixed use
was indicated on the west side of
[1:02:24] Gateway Drive.
This what we're doing at this point in
[1:02:28] time has extended ramifications up into
the residential area, which uh most of
[1:02:36] us are familiar with. Now, there is Main
Street, but pretty much all the
[1:02:39] businesses have left Main Street.
Anyway, I think what uh as I've studied
[1:02:45] it,
Brian Ryan brought a new
[1:02:48] document of 2010 under Mayor Ron Lichty
to light,
[1:02:53] and I think there's some uh things that
need to be
[1:02:56] severely considered with it, where it
goes, what it does.
[1:03:01] And my motion, and I'd like to make a
motion,
[1:03:05] is that we table this until we can first
off have a full council.
[1:03:10] Because we as a council were elected to
vote.
[1:03:14] And there's five of us, and the reason
there's five of us, so that uh we can
[1:03:19] make a decision, a majority of the
council people.
[1:03:23] So, consequently, I would like to make a
motion that we postpone this. The second
[1:03:27] thing of it is, we need to also really
think about the ramifications.
[1:03:33] One of the In that study in 2010,
one of the things I looked at was if an
[1:03:41] option was selected in there, and I
don't know if that option was selected.
[1:03:44] There were three options. It could put
uh
[1:03:48] this
uh
[1:03:50] mixed use up as far as uh almost to
Von's Park.
[1:03:56] There's areas that are circled for that.
I look at the Renner Connect property, I
[1:04:01] look at the Bear property, I look at
Marlin House property. I look at uh the
[1:04:06] one kitty-corner across the street from
me, they're tearing down the old Rath-
[1:04:11] Rathaus,
and there's a lot there.
[1:04:14] There is so much that could be plopped
down in this city,
[1:04:18] so much extended ramifications.
We really need to make sure that we're
[1:04:24] making a correct decision,
an informed decision, and I don't think
[1:04:29] we're to that point right now, and I'd
like to postpone it until we can have a
[1:04:33] full council vote and uh a full council
understanding of our ramifications.
[1:04:40] That's my motion.
>> Okay, we have a motion.
[1:04:45] Do we have a second?
>> I'll second.
[1:04:47] » Yeah, if he doesn't mind.
>> Okay, we have a
[1:04:48] motion and a second.
Any discussion?
[1:04:53] » I just think given the
the
[1:04:56] community engagement and the strength of
that,
[1:05:00] from what I've seen, this is the most
um
[1:05:03] emails I've gotten about a singular
subject, and the most phone calls, and
[1:05:07] in-person visits
uh on my time on the council, and I
[1:05:12] think it is only fair that we have the
full elected body here
[1:05:15] to make that decision.
Um
[1:05:19] so I would agree with Brent.
>> Okay, so you're
[1:05:22] We have a motion and we have a second.
Any further discussion?
[1:05:27] » Um
[1:05:31] I mean, I agree that we should probably
all be here. I have done some research
[1:05:35] on that um
2010 landscape architecture um document.
[1:05:42] » hear what the response was.
[1:05:46] » Janelle is is making a comment.
Sorry.
[1:05:49] » Okay, sorry.
>> is like tied down to the ground, so it's
[1:05:52] fine.
I don't don't think so.
[1:05:58] I think it's so I ask less questions,
you guys.
[1:06:00] » [laughter]
>> It was purposeful.
[1:06:03] It might be might be pur- purposeful. I
I think it's good to have the vote of
[1:06:08] the entire council. Um I have done some
research on the 2010 document that Brent
[1:06:13] mentioned,
um and and studied the minutes from
[1:06:16] 2010, which
um
[1:06:21] I feel like that document was
a guide a guidance for establishing our
[1:06:26] mixed-use district. Um
but
[1:06:31] it it wasn't like
incorporated into any of our master
[1:06:35] plans or any of those things. I I don't
know that
[1:06:39] it has any impact or like weight on
>> Any binding and any binding
[1:06:46] » I mean, it has a lot of ideas, but it it
doesn't really have any binding power
[1:06:51] or direction within it. So, I mean, I
feel comfortable stating that, but
[1:06:56] um
I'm prepared to vote, or I'm I'm fine to
[1:07:00] wait.
>> Okay.
[1:07:01] » Either way.
>> So,
[1:07:04] my concern is I know that had a lot of
residents over the years that I've been
[1:07:08] here
concerned about changing residential
[1:07:12] areas to commercial or mixed use and
they have their various reasons for it.
[1:07:16] I've listened to talked to people
listened to people's comments. I've
[1:07:21] talked with people. I have
um
[1:07:24] on both sides of this of the issue and
uh
[1:07:28] um
I have a tendency to always take the
[1:07:33] opposite view of whoever's talking to
me.
[1:07:35] And I can poke all kinds of holes in
everyone with the exception of the
[1:07:40] people that all they said was
I
[1:07:43] I support this or I'm against this.
Well, okay, great. I can't poke a hole
[1:07:48] in that, but I can poke holes in
people's rationale all over the place,
[1:07:52] both sides.
And some of the the arguments just don't
[1:07:55] hold any water or merit for me. And so
um
[1:08:00] I'd like to wait till we have
all all of this here.
[1:08:04] I think that'd be really the the wise
thing to do. um
[1:08:08] I think that you know, me personally, I
have agreed with many people. I'd like
[1:08:14] to keep the residential residential
multi-use on the west side
[1:08:20] um
because there was space there at the
[1:08:23] time.
That's just my the way I've I've leaned
[1:08:27] and I've heard a lot of really good
arguments for this. I've heard a lot of
[1:08:32] I think fair arguments against it that I
share some of those concerns to be
[1:08:36] honest with you.
And so I think putting it off until we
[1:08:40] have the everyone here
and make sure that we're
[1:08:44] not just doing something we want. We're
doing what's right
[1:08:48] uh for Providence.
>> Okay.
[1:08:51] Call for a vote.
All in favor?
[1:08:54] » Of his motion?
>> Of his motion.
[1:08:56] » I
>> I
[1:08:58] » Nay.
Okay.
[1:09:02] So, we
have three four and and one against, so
[1:09:07] the motion passes. So, we will put that
off until next month.
[1:09:13] Okay, let's go
we'll close that item and go to item
[1:09:18] number 10.
This is [clears throat] ordinance 10-26
[1:09:23] PCC
um 10
[1:09:28] -12-3
and 4 amendments.
[1:09:33] Providence City Council will review,
discuss, and may take action on an
[1:09:37] ordinance regarding proposed code
amendments to extend the sunset day for
[1:09:41] the incentive to record the deed
restriction for an IADU
[1:09:47] or an ADU.
Um Planning Commission
[1:09:52] held a public hearing on June 10th and
recommended the City Council approve the
[1:09:56] amendments. So, Ryan do you just want to
quickly explain this or or Skarda,
[1:10:02] whichever one?
>> So,
[1:10:04] » [clears throat]
>> I I can explain a little and then Skarda
[1:10:06] can add as he likes.
Um
[1:10:09] the this we offer a $100 incentive to
those that will
[1:10:14] provide proof of deed restriction.
Um it had a
[1:10:18] it had an expiring clause
um of May 15th, 2026 and we're extending
[1:10:25] that to May 15th, 2028. We had between
six and eight, I think, um that utilized
[1:10:31] this and we were able to to have them
record
[1:10:36] um
and have that deed restriction. The deed
[1:10:39] restriction is is that a um
one of the units will be
[1:10:43] owner occupied.
Um so, anyway, we've had some success
[1:10:47] with that. Before we hadn't had a lot of
people, maybe they put in an ADU or or
[1:10:52] that and didn't record. This this gives
us an ability to have that compliance
[1:10:57] recorded and gives an incentive to do
so.
[1:11:00] Sometimes the carrot works better than
the stick and this is what we're
[1:11:04] proposing is a is a carrot to be able to
get compliance rather than
[1:11:08] a punishment stick. So, and it's worked.
So,
[1:11:11] » And we're doing this because the state
has asked us.
[1:11:14] » The state has asked us to have
>> They have [cough and clears throat]
[1:11:17] asked us to to try to work for
affordable housing and and some of that
[1:11:23] comes into the requirements for ADUs and
while they haven't specifically asked us
[1:11:29] to to put a $100
incentive in, they have asked us
[1:11:33] to find ways to to get more housing and
and more affordable
[1:11:40] and ADUs
are
[1:11:43] are
allowed by by state code.
[1:11:47] So, we're trying to find the carrot and
they've asked us to do carrots and
[1:11:51] sticks and so
we are well within what the state is
[1:11:55] asking us to do, but maybe not directly
exactly that this is what they have. We
[1:12:00] have some guideline and this is what
we're
[1:12:02] trying to propose within that.
>> So, this helps us get to our
[1:12:07] affordable housing commitments.
Okay.
[1:12:11] » It's a tool.
>> It's a tool.
[1:12:14] I like tools.
>> [laughter]
[1:12:16] » Okay. So,
we need a
[1:12:21] a motion on this.
If somebody would make one.
[1:12:27] » Can I see the motion number?
[1:12:30] » Yes.
We need a motion on this to take action.
[1:12:36] To approve the ordinance.
>> I'll make a motion that we approve
[1:12:43] ordinance
>> ordinance 10-2026
[1:12:47] PCC 10-12 three and four amendments to
extend
[1:12:52] the sunset on the IADU or ADU um
[1:12:59] » reward
>> Yeah, reward, sure.
[1:13:03] » [laughter]
>> Incentive, that's a good word. Let's go
[1:13:05] with incentive. Okay.
>> So, we have a motion.
[1:13:08] » Second.
>> And a second.
[1:13:11] Further discussion.
All in favor.
[1:13:14] » Aye.
>> Aye.
[1:13:16] » Brent.
[1:13:19] » Aye.
>> Thank you.
[1:13:22] Motion passes.
Um
[1:13:25] We'll close item number 10 and go to
item number 11. This is a swimming pool
[1:13:29] fence regulation amendment.
Provident City Council review, discuss,
[1:13:33] and may take action on the ordinance
regarding proposed amendments
[1:13:37] to PCC 5-4-7
Resident application is requesting a
[1:13:44] change to the city code
to allow a waiver of the perimeter fence
[1:13:48] requirement when a specific pool cover
is installed.
[1:13:55] So,
um
[1:13:59] who wants to take this?
[1:14:03] » I think the applicant is
I think the applicant has a chance.
[1:14:06] Maybe she has some more to say. I I
don't know that I have anything more
[1:14:10] from my side.
The staff
[1:14:13] I think the staff uh is fine with what
has been said, but if she wants to say
[1:14:17] more I that's fine with us.
>> You don't have to, but if if there's
[1:14:22] something else you want to add to it.
>> want to make sure the retroactive's
[1:14:25] understood why I'm pushing for it cuz
it's not just affecting me. There's
[1:14:28] dozens of pools. And I think it would
just make it more, like I said, equal
[1:14:34] just to if you have this certain cover
you're good. Just and then move forward.
[1:14:39] I don't That's it.
>> Thank you.
[1:14:42] » And just to to balance the comment the
staff supposed to a retroactive, but
[1:14:48] um
we're fine with whatever you do on the
[1:14:50] other one. The retroactive creates a
administrative
[1:14:55] paradox. It creates a problem because
any citations that have been gone would
[1:15:00] then be reversible. Any Any action that
has been
[1:15:04] We would prefer that to go to the judge
to to have the ability to take those
[1:15:09] case by case and and settle that as as
that goes. So
[1:15:13] » Well, it's a precedent.
>> Yeah, and and we have varying laws
[1:15:17] all the time and we we
we administrate administrate that all
[1:15:22] the time. So that's not really a
an issue for us. So
[1:15:26] » Okay.
So
[1:15:30] um
you want to discuss first? You want to
[1:15:34] Do you have any comments or
>> I have a legal question.
[1:15:38] Um
with our with our city code we can be
[1:15:43] more restrictive but not less
restrictive than state code. Did I say
[1:15:46] that right or did I reverse the order?
>> Yeah.
[1:15:49] » Okay. So
um
[1:15:56] the timeline on which the state adopted
their regulations shouldn't have
[1:16:03] bearing on something more restrictive.
Is that
[1:16:07] » That that is correct.
>> Okay.
[1:16:12] Say that again. The
Can you say it again?
[1:16:16] The the timeline that the state adopted
their regulations
[1:16:22] for the ASTM F130 1346 certified safety
covers
[1:16:28] um
if our code is more restrictive than
[1:16:32] that
[1:16:35] it
it's not
[1:16:38] uh how do I say that?
It doesn't affect the timeline that the
[1:16:42] state adopted their code.
>> Okay.
[1:16:47] Okay.
[1:16:50] » Can I comment?
>> Comments?
[1:16:52] » Let's just maybe comments and questions.
So, I I look in terms of the idea of the
[1:16:57] fence is to protect outsider kids from
wandering in there, right? So, the
[1:17:03] purpose of the cover is to do the same
thing.
[1:17:07] Um
Now, if somebody's gate
[1:17:12] is left open, I know they're supposed to
automatically close, but
[1:17:17] people have ways of holding them open.
And that gate is left open, there can be
[1:17:21] a and there there's no adult supervision
and a kid wanders in there and and gets
[1:17:26] into the pool who shouldn't and there's
a tragedy.
[1:17:30] Um there's a uh
a liability with that.
[1:17:34] Um perhaps there's even fines if uh
uh someone sees it open and
[1:17:41] they get turned in or whatever you call
it.
[1:17:44] So, with a the cover
[1:17:49] if my
10-year-old kid decides to go out
[1:17:52] swimming and knows the combination of
the lock, has a key, or knows the code
[1:17:57] and opens it up and swims for a while
and then comes in the house and goes to
[1:18:00] the bathroom, gets a drink, says, "You
know what? I'd like a sandwich." and
[1:18:03] makes a sandwich and then sits there and
eats it. In the meantime, it's uncovered
[1:18:06] and some
a 4-year-old walks in, sees that a
[1:18:09] tempting pool, walks over there, falls
in the water, drowns.
[1:18:14] Um there's a challenge there.
It's tragedy. Um
[1:18:21] I don't know what the laws are regarding
that, who regulates to make sure that
[1:18:25] it's covered when there's no adult
supervision if that's what the intent
[1:18:28] is. Who
uh make sure that nothing
[1:18:32] happens because it's now an open pool
with no barrier
[1:18:38] at all.
So, I'm a little concerned about
[1:18:42] liability with that, not just for the
uh
[1:18:45] the pool owner, but for the city
allowing it.
[1:18:48] Have there been issues? I I would like
to know a little bit more about it.
[1:18:53] » We have Shariq here.
Can ask him.
[1:19:07] » It certainly could be a liability issue
for the homeowner. Um
[1:19:11] although
so would the maintenance of their fence
[1:19:14] or whatever um protective measure
they're taking be
[1:19:22] Where it is authorized under state code
to be allowed permissible
[1:19:27] um and the concept is
a pool cover that does meet the
[1:19:34] the safety requirements.
[1:19:37] I would be hard-pressed to find a way
that the city could be liable for
[1:19:43] allowing something that's the state
allows as a safety measure.
[1:19:48] Um
but it it's
[1:19:50] a worthwhile concept to consider because
we can be more restrictive still. Um but
[1:19:56] I don't think that it's a liability
issue for the city.
[1:19:59] » Okay. I was just want to make sure that
>> [clears throat]
[1:20:02] » The other thought I had was if we um
[1:20:07] » [sighs]
>> I struggle when
[1:20:11] people follow the ordinance or the codes
that we have when they build
[1:20:17] and then they don't follow a portion of
it and put it off, put it off, put it
[1:20:20] off, and put it off
and then want to change or amend an
[1:20:25] ordinance so that they don't have to
follow it when that could have been done
[1:20:28] or should have been done however many
years ago when the pool was put in. I
[1:20:33] struggle with that a little bit.
Um it seems like it's
[1:20:37] um I don't have to. City won't do
anything. I won't do I don't have to
[1:20:41] worry about that. Until the city says,
"Okay, we're tired of waiting."
[1:20:45] And then they
try to fight it a different way.
[1:20:49] So, it's a little bit frustrating for
me, and I don't mean offense by that. I
[1:20:52] understand it.
>> I get that.
[1:20:55] Cache County's
ordinance is the same as the state of
[1:20:59] Utah's. So, I think there's some
disconnect there where we rely Don't we
[1:21:03] rely on Cache County inspectors for
Providence? So, I just think there's a
[1:21:08] disconnect and a misunderstanding. It's
not like trying to um skirt any
[1:21:15] responsibility. It was just this is what
Cache County We were told by Cache
[1:21:19] County inspectors. And then so, that's
that's why I feel
[1:21:23] » find out till later after it was your
pool was in that Providence City was
[1:21:27] going to have an issue with it. Is that
what you're saying? Okay.
[1:21:29] » I understand.
>> And you talk to anyone that installs
[1:21:32] these covers and they say the same And I
know you can't rely on a you know, a
[1:21:36] contractor, but the inspector from
it's just a disconnect with Providence
[1:21:41] and Cache County.
>> Didn't you have to have a building
[1:21:43] permit to do that?
>> Uh
[1:21:45] » To put your pool in?
>> It was I think it was under when we did
[1:21:49] our house. Honestly, I didn't I would
have to check.
[1:21:52] » Yes, they do have to have a building
permit for the pool. They may have
[1:21:56] combined all of the zoning and
permitting at the same time. But, they
[1:22:00] do have to have a building permit for a
pool.
[1:22:02] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:22:06] » And the building permit would spell out
local rules, I imagine, or
[1:22:10] » The zoning clearance would specify local
rules. So, they would have had to go
[1:22:14] through a zoning clearance as well.
Which would have identified I'd have uh
[1:22:19] would have identified those.
>> That's why we went to the unified code
[1:22:25] so that
>> Right.
[1:22:26] » factor doesn't have to know 25 different
>> It's also the responsibility of
[1:22:32] the
the contractor to follow city code.
[1:22:37] » We've dealt with issues with this with
retaining walls in the past, too.
[1:22:42] Closer. I'm going to have to climb up on
the desk, you guys.
[1:22:45] » Or you can yell.
>> I can yell.
[1:22:48] » Maybe Brent will stretch his
>> Will Brent stretch? That is closer.
[1:22:52] I feel like this is
>> than yours is.
[1:23:00] » Okay.
[1:23:03] Does anybody else have any comments or
>> Just one more thing that the um
[1:23:08] uh I understand the idea of making it
retroactive.
[1:23:13] If we
don't make it retroactive, what does
[1:23:17] that do as far as the responsibility
of the homeowner?
[1:23:22] Um because they've already got it and
they don't have a fence. Does Does the
[1:23:25] fence go become Installing a fence
become retroactive? Is that something
[1:23:30] that the homeowner can take up in in
before a judge?
[1:23:35] What's the course at that point?
>> I would think that could be adjudicated
[1:23:39] right at before a judge and they could
say the rule changed and let's look at
[1:23:44] it.
>> Yeah, at that point the judge could and
[1:23:46] I I would say that, but I believe the
judge could if there was a citation,
[1:23:51] they could issue it with prejudice and
and then we couldn't go back to
[1:23:55] the
site again. At that point, if it's if
[1:23:58] it's released with prejudiced,
then we can't we can't do it, right?
[1:24:02] That's
Is that accurate?
[1:24:11] » So, just to walk through through it
briefly, a
[1:24:16] if something is legalized during the
pendency of an action, the action can
[1:24:24] still be prosecuted normally
outside of making it retroactively le-
[1:24:29] legal,
uh especially for an administrative
[1:24:33] violation, and the judge can decide
base or even the prosecuting body
[1:24:40] can decide under their discretion
whether subject the legal change they
[1:24:45] decide that
it should be dismissed or
[1:24:50] if it they find that it's been more of a
willful violation that's gone on for
[1:24:54] years and kind of what
the council member was alluding to that
[1:25:01] it appears that this is just pushing
against the city, pushing, push, and
[1:25:05] then finally a citation has come up and
I, "Okay, I need to fight this somewhere
[1:25:08] else cuz I'm going to lose at court
because
[1:25:11] I've obviously not put up my fence that
I've been notified about." Um
[1:25:17] that the court can take that into
consider- It's more on the judicial
[1:25:23] branch of the city
um
[1:25:26] to be making those decisions
even if the law changes
[1:25:31] unless the council tries to bind the
judiciary's hands by making it
[1:25:37] retroactive.
>> Thank you.
[1:25:44] » So, if those cases are dropped or let
go, then
[1:25:47] it effectively makes that retroactive at
least for the person that's in process
[1:25:51] of of being prosecuted or or
>> It would make it future prosecution or
[1:25:56] future wouldn't wouldn't be there. It
wouldn't change if they had had a
[1:26:00] previous penalty or previous something
done. It would make future prosecution
[1:26:05] of it.
>> Right. So, it's not
[1:26:06] » Right.
>> Okay.
[1:26:10] » Which that's how pretty much all of our
code adoptions work. They you're you're
[1:26:14] grandfathered in before the date of
adoption.
[1:26:17] And even with a building permit, if we
are massaging code and adjusting things,
[1:26:23] if you've had your building permit
issued, that's the code that you're held
[1:26:26] to. You don't get to change to what's
been adopted in process.
[1:26:32] Right? I mean
so
[1:26:36] » I'm I'm ready to make a motion if you
want.
[1:26:38] » Okay.
Um I was asked Brent. Brent, do you have
[1:26:42] anything you want to say?
[1:26:48] You have to unmute.
>> It's been very hard for me to hear
[1:26:52] what's been said. But I I feel that uh
the code up to this point was the code.
[1:27:00] And uh anybody participating in any
event that has the regulations in
[1:27:05] Providence
that needs to make sure they understand
[1:27:08] and follow the code.
Uh where we go from this point
[1:27:13] I don't uh have any direction other than
I don't know what Ryan has said if they
[1:27:19] received a citation then it becomes an
issue where they have a chance to
[1:27:25] resolve it with a judge. And I mean,
knowing the code has changed
[1:27:31] if the judge would allow a locking cover
with a lower putting in a fence at this
[1:27:36] point in time that would be the decision
that he makes and it's not we're not
[1:27:42] blanketly saying well, let's make this
retroactive
[1:27:47] nobody else uh or nobody in the city had
to worry about it after this time.
[1:27:52] I think we need to look at it kind of on
a
[1:27:55] on [clears throat] a basis of
uh
[1:27:58] that's that's my basis.
>> Okay.
[1:28:03] So, Janelle's ready to make a motion.
>> I'll make a motion that we adopt
[1:28:09] ordinance 08-2026
PCC 5-4-7 swimming pool fence
[1:28:14] regulations amendments to be in line
with state code.
[1:28:18] Um
uh
[1:28:20] omitting the retroactive language in the
ordinance
[1:28:24] um
and letting that be
[1:28:27] judicially handled.
Okay, so we have
[1:28:32] » resolve any ambiguity issues.
>> Do we have a motion a second? We have a
[1:28:35] motion.
>> I will second that with that
[1:28:39] uh change.
>> Okay.
[1:28:41] So we have a motion and a second.
Any discussion?
[1:28:46] Brent?
>> No no more discussion.
[1:28:49] » Okay.
All in favor?
[1:28:52] » Aye.
>> Aye.
[1:28:54] » Okay. Motion carries.
[1:28:59] Thank you for going through the process.
[1:29:03] Um we'll close that item and go to item
number 12.
[1:29:10] Moving right along.
Um item number 12 is resolution 04-2026
[1:29:17] non-binding library ballot question.
Providence City Council review, discuss,
[1:29:22] and may take action on a resolution
requesting a non-binding vote ballot
[1:29:27] question on the 2026 election
to assess
[1:29:31] support of for a property tax increase
to fund the city library.
[1:29:37] So
Ryan?
[1:29:41] » I don't want to cover
that.
[1:29:44] » I mean we've talked about it the last
meeting and
[1:29:47] we've come to the resolution. This is
what the county needs in order to put
[1:29:50] this on the ballot come fall.
Um preferably before July 31st, so the
[1:29:55] sooner the better. I'll get this into
their hands if you guys approve it. If
[1:29:58] you like the language, this is what uh
we came up with with our city attorney.
[1:30:03] Um
and and from there.
[1:30:14] » Okay.
So,
[1:30:17] um
I'll entertain a motion.
[1:30:21] » I'll make a motion.
>> Okay.
[1:30:23] » Um a motion that we approve item number
12 resolution
[1:30:27] 04-2026
non-binding library ballot question.
[1:30:32] » Okay.
We have a motion. Do we have a second?
[1:30:38] » Actually, yes. I second that.
>> Okay.
[1:30:41] We have a motion and a second.
Any further discussion?
[1:30:47] » Um I'm okay to massage the language a
little bit myself, but
[1:30:55] » You want to suggest some changes to it?
[1:31:00] » Yeah, I mean, do you think that it's
necessary to add all of the language
[1:31:05] about maintenance staffing improvements?
Um
[1:31:10] Does that make the question cumbersome?
Or should we just simplify it and say,
[1:31:16] "Shall Providence City fund and operate
a city public library by levying a
[1:31:19] property tax
estimated at about 50 you know, with an
[1:31:24] estimated tax of $55 per year,
roughly $4.60 per month
[1:31:31] for a home with a 5,000
500,000 market value?"
[1:31:36] And ask if they're for or against that.
>> Can you change for or against? Or does
[1:31:41] it have to be yes or no?
>> I think the ballot reads for or against,
[1:31:44] usually. Doesn't it?
>> Yes.
[1:31:49] I don't know if that's statute if it has
to be that way.
[1:31:54] But that's how they
that that's the normal nomenclature for
[1:31:58] it.
>> So, Janelle, your your concern is that
[1:32:00] you're we're just putting a lot of extra
words in there that it might make people
[1:32:04] a little confused about it or
>> Yeah, I mean I think that the the more
[1:32:10] simple the statement
you know, the more direct it is to the
[1:32:13] public, but
[1:32:17] I'm fine with making that change, but
>> Yeah.
[1:32:21] » Anybody?
>> Yeah, I mean I made the motion
[1:32:25] to approve
as it is, but I I think also the simpler
[1:32:30] the simpler the better
is
[1:32:32] also fine with me as long as
what
[1:32:38] do we think legally
that we have to have all of that like
[1:32:42] you asked? I don't know what the
>> Do you think we need to add any context
[1:32:46] to the question?
That the county's planning to end
[1:32:49] funding for the library and for
Providence to
[1:32:54] have a dedicated library.
Do we need I mean
[1:32:58] I feel like sometimes we make the
assumption that everybody knows why
[1:33:02] we're proposing a property tax because
we're up we're up to our eyeballs in the
[1:33:07] issue sometimes,
but maybe adding some context to the
[1:33:11] question might be helpful as well.
>> So, something like due to the cessation
[1:33:16] of
funding by the county by Cache County
[1:33:21] should Providence City consider imposing
a new property tax levy to fund the
[1:33:25] operation
of
[1:33:28] a city public library
[1:33:32] which is estimated to cost the owner of
a primary residence with fair market
[1:33:36] value just to the end there. Would
something like that work for you?
[1:33:39] What do you think?
>> Yeah, I mean I don't think we need to
[1:33:43] put in the fair market value language,
but
[1:33:47] But so do we
do we need to
[1:33:50] okay the concept and we can massage the
but
[1:33:55] » I think Mayor Drew had a question if you
>> Mayor.
[1:34:03] » Um just a suggestion. Uh
This raises a Janelle raises a good
[1:34:08] point.
Um
[1:34:11] I know in in the past ballots have had
Sorry about that. I'm It's been a while.
[1:34:17] Um
Ballots have information booklets that
[1:34:21] come with the ballot and it's got candi-
Sometimes they have candidate statements
[1:34:25] and when there's an issue on the ballot,
it explains the issue.
[1:34:29] I think it leaves a lot out when you
just say one sentence and it says,
[1:34:33] "Well, the county's dropped funding."
Um
[1:34:37] I don't know and I don't know if you
could put a QR code on the ballot and
[1:34:40] say for more information, you know, go
to this or link or go to this scan this
[1:34:46] QR code.
Just so it would explain
[1:34:49] you know, the issue the council is
dealing with and is asking the voters
[1:34:54] for advice on.
>> Okay. Thank you for the feedback.
[1:35:02] Okay.
What does everybody think?
[1:35:07] » Do you know if that is a possibility?
>> Um I do not know, but they did say
[1:35:12] however it does need to be kept simple
as if if we do go on to a second page,
[1:35:18] it's going to cost quite a bit.
So, they want it just to be a a
[1:35:22] statement
as it's as
[1:35:26] we're discussing, but the more we add to
it
[1:35:28] if there's a possibility for a second
page
[1:35:32] then they're going to charge us
a lot.
[1:35:35] » But but just is adding a link a
possibility to to go to
[1:35:39] where people can see something
you know, in more detail and more
[1:35:43] spelled out than we can put
on the ballot question itself.
[1:35:48] » Not that I'm aware of. I mean, we could
include it in the question for more
[1:35:52] information go to provincetown-ma.gov
and we can have a dedicated webpage
[1:35:57] um that explains what's going on.
>> I thought the city had to be neutral,
[1:36:02] but we couldn't really like
do that.
[1:36:05] » You can't advertise for or against.
>> But if we're just providing information
[1:36:10] » But if we keep it factual and just
>> for or against the tax or the against
[1:36:13] it, just
>> Yeah.
[1:36:15] » the why.
[1:36:18] » I think the fact that it if you give the
information,
[1:36:22] this is what we're asking. Do you want
to raise the tax this much or not?
[1:36:28] That's really the question.
[1:36:32] And the more we put in there, the then
the more we have to add more explanation
[1:36:36] we have to add on top of that.
[1:36:44] So.
[1:36:48] » Your motion.
>> Um.
[1:36:49] So, yes, add context or no?
[1:36:55] » What are your thoughts? I
I like it better when things are more
[1:37:00] explained and spelled out specifically
to people
[1:37:04] because like you said
we've been in this for some months
[1:37:07] thinking it over and over and over and
and we've had hundreds of comments come
[1:37:12] in and surveys and we feel like sure,
everybody knows what's going on, but
[1:37:16] maybe everyone doesn't know what's going
on and maybe we need to to add context
[1:37:21] and add add the background story, but I
I agree we need to be careful to not
[1:37:25] make it sound like we're
we're advertising a a specific position.
[1:37:36] » Um.
[1:37:40] » And then if you want to simplify this
language
[1:37:44] » Your mic doesn't work very well.
>> Are you still thinking you want to
[1:37:47] simplify the
language as it's written?
[1:37:52] » Yeah, I I think it the simpler the
better.
[1:37:55] And adding a brief statement of context,
but I also think some of that might be
[1:38:01] established in the I feel like don't
they allow one letter for and one
[1:38:06] against in the information pamphlet?
[1:38:10] Is that true?
>> For a referendum or an initiative.
[1:38:15] » This will have an information pamphlet.
>> I think my non-binding probably doesn't
[1:38:20] give us that.
>> [clears throat]
[1:38:23] » Nine non-binding does not give us
then we should probably have context.
[1:38:30] And I don't I don't know that we
can you really add a link to a ballot?
[1:38:35] Is that
done?
[1:38:40] I've never seen that ever in all of my
years of voting.
[1:38:43] » Well, I just thought it was an
interesting idea cuz then we could
[1:38:46] go
without the expense.
[1:38:48] » But actually people should do their
homework before they get to the
[1:38:53] to voting.
[1:38:55] » They check the box and move on.
>> Yeah.
[1:38:58] » Without the homework part.
>> That's true.
[1:39:01] Well, I mean given that because it's a
non-binding vote, letters are not
[1:39:07] um included in those. Is that correct,
Ty? No No letters in a non-binding vote.
[1:39:12] » They have no
>> Okay.
[1:39:15] I do think it would be helpful to give
the public context. And if
[1:39:21] I don't know, a link just sounds so
weird on the ballot.
[1:39:24] What do you guys think of that? Do you
think that's something we can do or not
[1:39:27] do?
>> Then how would we do it? Well,
[1:39:33] some of that's been in newsletters and
things like that already, but do we just
[1:39:36] double up in
that month before the ballot goes out,
[1:39:40] say you're going to be getting a ballot
with
[1:39:44] asking this question or something
similar and
[1:39:46] » not want to put us in an intersection
that maybe we're trying to lobby for one
[1:39:50] or the other.
>> Yeah, well, I'm just saying keep it
[1:39:53] fact-based and not
position-based.
[1:39:57] » So, what would you want in there
basically?
[1:39:59] I'm guessing uh a little history, why
how we came to this point.
[1:40:04] And
then what?
[1:40:07] » That's kind of what I thought you know I
was alluding to with with
[1:40:12] It doesn't say that that the county is
ceasing funding. It doesn't say
[1:40:16] Is that what you meant by when you kind
of started down that path?
[1:40:21] » Give context, so.
[1:40:27] Is it appropriate to ask the public if
they what they think is clear or not
[1:40:31] clear?
>> [laughter]
[1:40:34] » Um we've got to turn this in, too. We've
got a deadline to get it in.
[1:40:37] » No, I mean just to get
I'm on the topic, but
[1:40:41] » Shariq.
Come on over to this mic here.
[1:40:49] » I I'll start with a really quick
disclosure on this topic. I actually
[1:40:54] serve on the Richmond City
Library Board. So, I'm not counseling
[1:40:59] any direction. I'm also a city employee.
But
[1:41:03] uh here.
But
[1:41:07] where the resolution already includes
the whereases for why
[1:41:13] the question would be raised if this
were to pass.
[1:41:17] I think that it would make sense
to say
[1:41:21] as the county library is closing, comma
should
[1:41:28] and then go ahead with the question. It
adds maybe four words and gives at least
[1:41:32] enough context that
>> Clarification.
[1:41:35] » someone reading it would know why
they're voting on a new library,
[1:41:38] especially if Providence doesn't have
one.
[1:41:42] » So, at since as the the county library
is closing, and then this.
[1:41:51] That gives some context.
>> Yeah.
[1:41:53] I mean, that makes sense.
>> simple.
[1:41:55] » It's simple.
>> And would you still want to strike the
[1:41:59] operation, maintenance, staffing
language?
[1:42:05] » Well, when you run a business or run
anything,
[1:42:08] operation,
>> Right.
[1:42:09] » staffing.
>> Well.
[1:42:10] » I mean, I guess that's a reflection that
it's comprehensive
[1:42:14] um
funding
[1:42:17] that covers all of those portions,
whereas
[1:42:20] the
previous functioning of the county
[1:42:23] library, we covered um
like maintenance of the building, and
[1:42:28] they covered staffing. So, I guess this
does delineate that all of the services
[1:42:34] will be taken over by the city. There's
not like a share, like a cost share
[1:42:40] involved in any of that. Well, let's say
all services, that's easy to say without
[1:42:45] without listing them out.
[1:42:49] We could say that.
Whereas the county library is closing,
[1:42:54] shall should Providence City consider
imposing a new property tax levy
[1:42:59] to fund all services
of a city public library,
[1:43:05] which is estimated to cost
[1:43:09] the homeowner with a home of this value
this much money?
[1:43:14] I mean, we could break it down and add
add what that would be monthly, if you
[1:43:19] think that's helpful, but
[1:43:22] people can divide by four.
>> divide that.
[1:43:26] » [laughter]
[clears throat]
[1:43:31] » Okay. Do Do we have that then?
>> Yeah.
[1:43:35] » Okay.
>> So, I'll amend my motion.
[1:43:36] » motion.
>> I'll amend my motion that the language
[1:43:39] should say
as the county library is closing, should
[1:43:44] Providence City consider imposing a new
property tax levy to fund all related
[1:43:48] library services,
which is estimated to cost the owner of
[1:43:51] a primary residence with fair market
value of $500,000, approximately $55.30
[1:43:56] per year.
[1:44:00] » Okay, we have a motion.
We have a second?
[1:44:05] » I'll second that.
>> Okay.
[1:44:06] » Or do I second?
>> I second it.
[1:44:10] » Do I second the amendment or
[1:44:14] » I can re-second that.
I can re-second that. I will second
[1:44:18] that.
>> Okay, we have a motion.
[1:44:22] Did we do this properly?
[1:44:27] Okay.
We have a motion and a second. Any
[1:44:30] further discussion?
All in favor?
[1:44:33] » I.
>> I.
[1:44:35] » I.
>> Thank you. Motion carried.
[1:44:41] » [laughter]
>> We're getting a missionary homecoming.
[1:44:47] » Can we yell congratulations or
something?
[1:44:50] » [laughter]
>> Welcome home.
[1:44:53] Okay.
>> He got one and it was pretty exciting.
[1:44:57] We're happy to have him back. Okay.
I'm going to
[1:45:01] I'll go mute.
>> Okay, thank you.
[1:45:05] Um
Let's move to We'll close item 12 and go
[1:45:09] to 13. Just Serve City Designation
Proclamation. This is just a
[1:45:13] proclamation.
[1:45:17] And we need to take some action in order
to do it. And David, this is yours. Do
[1:45:21] you want to explain?
>> This is
[1:45:24] » Sure. Um
Well, the last couple of years serving
[1:45:28] on the council, I've been a part of
uh my responsibility is is projects on
[1:45:33] the Just Serve website, and
we've had a lot of good success with
[1:45:38] that and a lot of volunteers, and it's
kind of
[1:45:42] heartening to see the the number of
volunteers that have come out even from
[1:45:45] other cities and businesses both in and
out of the city that have wanted to do
[1:45:50] projects here and and help make our city
a better place, and
[1:45:54] um
we've had youth groups, we've had
[1:45:58] just individual people on their own, so
all all kinds of uh volunteers. So,
[1:46:05] I as I've been in touch with the Just
Serve organization and representatives,
[1:46:10] they have suggested that we become a
Just Serve city and and offered uh
[1:46:15] language in a proclamation that the
mayor
[1:46:18] to do that.
Um I think it just goes
[1:46:22] in conjunction with uh the service
that's already been rendered and and
[1:46:26] hopefully adding and expanding to that
and making
[1:46:30] uh having more projects in the future
and and just recognizing
[1:46:34] the work that's been done here of
through our residents and
[1:46:38] and then we'll be able to see that work
move forward and and
[1:46:44] I think that's about it. That's the the
gist of it.
[1:46:47] » The National League of Cities is
promoting this as well
[1:46:51] to have cities have this designation so
that people know that we're service
[1:46:55] oriented, so
>> Yeah, and I hate hate to [clears throat]
[1:46:58] admit, but we're not the first in the
county that has done this, so there's a
[1:47:01] couple of other cities that are already
Just Serve cities, and that's okay,
[1:47:04] we'll follow right along.
>> don't want to be last.
[1:47:07] » Yeah, if we're not last, then
>> [laughter]
[1:47:10] » then we're okay, but
>> Okay.
[1:47:12] » I've been excited to
do those projects, and I I have gone on
[1:47:16] city tours with Ryan, and he's been
helpful to point out
[1:47:19] things that need a little help, and and
we put those up as they've come in. So,
[1:47:23] that's been very helpful, too.
>> Good.
[1:47:26] » Okay, so I'll entertain a motion.
[1:47:31] » I will make a motion that we um
accept the Just Serve City designation
[1:47:38] proclamation commitment to volunteerism
in Providence City.
[1:47:42] » Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a
second?
[1:47:45] » I will second that.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second for
[1:47:49] the discussion.
All in favor.
[1:47:52] » I.
>> I.
[1:47:54] » I.
[1:48:02] » I.
>> Okay, thank you. Motion carries.
[1:48:05] » [laughter]
>> I think it's a party.
[1:48:10] Okay, so
that completes our agenda
[1:48:15] tonight um for items.
Uh we don't have any study items, no
[1:48:21] other business or plans.
Um this is a point where I would allow
[1:48:26] public comment for anything that is not
does not have to do with the items on
[1:48:31] the agenda.
So, if there's anyone who would like to
[1:48:34] make comment, I
would be willing to take that.
[1:48:40] We need your name.
>> My name is Autumn Matthews. I'm from
[1:48:44] Logan, but tonight I'm here as a
representative of Cash Water District. I
[1:48:48] just want to make you guys aware of two
programs. One is through the state and
[1:48:52] one is through us. Uh the first is the
landscape incentive program. I'm sure
[1:48:56] you've heard of it. It's not a new
program. However, um it's just a program
[1:49:01] that will allow your residents to be
eligible for a rebate of $2 per square
[1:49:05] foot of lawn that they rip out and
install water-efficient landscaping.
[1:49:09] This does require you guys to adopt and
water-wise ordinances that affects new
[1:49:14] builds and will only affect the front
yards of any residential homes that you
[1:49:20] put in. Um there are some other minimum
ordinance requirements. There will be no
[1:49:24] lawn in new This is all new development.
Park strips, no lawn in areas less than
[1:49:29] 8 ft in width. That just provides that
the turf is functional. Um no more than
[1:49:34] 50% of front and side yard landscaped
areas in new resi- residential
[1:49:39] developments may be lawn. That's again,
this is only affecting new residential
[1:49:43] developments. Um and then in a new
commercial and industrial,
[1:49:46] institutional, and multi-family
development common areas, the lawns
[1:49:51] shall not exceed 20% of the total
landscaped area outside of active
[1:49:55] recreation areas.
>> Move this down by your mouth.
[1:49:57] » Thank you.
>> You have to just practically eat these
[1:50:00] mics.
>> Yeah.
[1:50:01] » Thank you.
>> Um but yes, so if it's functional turf,
[1:50:04] we do want it to stay if it's being
utilized.
[1:50:07] Uh however, that's kind of that program.
The other program you guys don't have to
[1:50:12] adopt any ordinances and it is our
spring grass reseeding program. I do
[1:50:15] have flyers for everyone. However, I am
one short on the landscape. There's only
[1:50:19] four of them.
Um but it's our spring grass reseeding.
[1:50:22] You don't have to reseed uh a bare spot.
You don't have to rip out your lawn. It
[1:50:27] is a water-wise grass grass initiative
um for all Cache County residents. This
[1:50:32] provides water-wise grass seed at a
discounted price of $3.50 per pound.
[1:50:37] Normally, it's 7 lb or $7 per pound, so
it's half off.
[1:50:42] Uh this grass is
supposed to, depending on how our
[1:50:47] residents water and that's where our
side comes in with education, cut back
[1:50:51] on water anywhere from 30 to 50% of a
water usage in a residential home or
[1:50:58] even a city property. Um it is available
to cities as well if you guys are
[1:51:02] looking to
change out some grass to be more
[1:51:05] water-wise, especially in a year like
this. However, um we just are asking
[1:51:09] that you guys spread awareness of this
program as it's a it's a drought year
[1:51:14] and we don't see that um
not recurring again. So, we're just
[1:51:19] trying to save water in the landscape um
in Cache County and we appreciate you
[1:51:24] guys and all you
>> And this is available for people to like
[1:51:28] go pick up?
>> Yep. Yep, so it's through Anderson Seed
[1:51:30] and Garden. Uh you fill out a form. We
ask that you do join a water city. It's
[1:51:34] optional whether or not you send in your
water bills. If you're on secondary, we
[1:51:38] don't ask that you do, but if you're
willing to help us water savings in the
[1:51:43] um we will ask for those. We just have
your name, you'll get a coupon code, and
[1:51:47] then you'll go to Anderson Seed and
Garden and pick up how much you would
[1:51:50] like. There's no end limit. We've had
people um apply for 13 acres of this
[1:51:55] grass seed, which is
a lot of grass seed and then we've had
[1:51:59] people apply for 50 square feet as well.
So, it just kind of depends on what your
[1:52:03] needs are. If you're looking to reseed
spots in your lawn, um that's also
[1:52:08] something that we can do. So.
Um but we appreciate all you guys do.
[1:52:12] It's a hard job to be on a city council
and we appreciate it.
[1:52:16] » Make hard decisions.
>> Someone I can hand these to.
[1:52:19] » Just hand them to
>> Thanks, Brian.
[1:52:24] » Thanks for sitting through all this to
give us that information.
[1:52:30] Um we have a question.
>> Oh, yes.
[1:52:32] Sorry.
>> Come on up.
[1:52:33] » Um
those conditions for the landscape
[1:52:36] incentive, are those recently updated? I
feel like we've reviewed
[1:52:40] » these in the
>> They're not. So, what the state's
[1:52:42] minimum requirements are the same as
they were before, which is why we
[1:52:46] understand that this program is not a
one-size-fits-all. As some cities are
[1:52:49] expanding, some cities aren't. However,
I should have mentioned this, too. This
[1:52:53] last this past legislative session in
February
[1:52:57] this year had did pass a bill. It was, I
believe, House Bill 46 or 49. I should
[1:53:04] know that. But, um that mandates
water-wise landscaping. However, it
[1:53:08] doesn't have any real teeth, and so, uh,
the state has just asked us to push that
[1:53:12] program again and say, "Hey, it's here.
Use it, um, if you're if it's right for
[1:53:17] your city." So.
>> You said if you rip out grass, but this
[1:53:21] is only for new construction, so they
wouldn't even have any grass to rip out.
[1:53:24] » Yes.
>> So, so that I I guess I should clarify.
[1:53:27] So, the residential program that
>> [clears throat]
[1:53:29] » it allows your residents to apply for,
if they have existing grass, they would
[1:53:34] rip that out and they'd be able to get a
rebate from the state for $2 and $2 a
[1:53:39] square foot of grass that they rip out
and install waterwise landscaping. Those
[1:53:44] are very specific. The state manages all
that. They have people who come out and
[1:53:48] check that, um, and preview the lawn
beforehand,
[1:53:52] uh, just to say, "Yes, we do have one."
However, the ordinances that you guys
[1:53:56] would adopt would be the ones affecting
residential, um, new builds, and only
[1:54:01] new builds. And so, they they're not
eligible for the program. It's just
[1:54:06] expanding with water in mind is kind of
how the state has put it.
[1:54:11] » Thanks for that clarification, Chris.
>> Thank you so much.
[1:54:13] » other questions?
Okay. Sounds good.
[1:54:16] » Thank you.
[1:54:20] Okay.
So,
[1:54:24] any other com- public comment?
Okay.
[1:54:28] We'll close that portion of the meeting
and go to staff reports.
[1:54:35] » Well, I
I have a lot more time for a staff
[1:54:38] report than I thought I would, cuz I
thought
[1:54:42] » [laughter]
[1:54:44] » I thought with that many agenda items,
we wouldn't possibly have any
[1:54:48] » way we would be at this time of the
night.
[1:54:50] » Um, so I I've
planned to keep it fairly brief. Um, I
[1:54:55] will report on a couple of things. One,
uh, water. Um, Um, we have implemented,
[1:55:03] a new metering system throughout the
throughout the city
[1:55:07] and it's gone fairly well. We have
identified numerous leaks, contacted
[1:55:12] those
that that have them
[1:55:16] and and in the last I would say in the
last 6 months that we've been doing
[1:55:20] this, uh, we've identified
uh, numerous uh, locations and numerous
[1:55:27] items. I would say we're in the tens of
millions of of gallons
[1:55:32] uh, of water saved through through leak
detection
[1:55:35] um,
and uh, we have some that have cut their
[1:55:38] water usage in half and
um,
[1:55:42] you know, we we have made a significant
progress through through a strategic
[1:55:47] process rather than
broad restrictions and everybody, we've
[1:55:51] taken the approach of taking the top 25
to 50 users,
[1:55:55] uh, evaluating their their usage on a
weekly basis
[1:55:59] um, and to identify uh, where leaks
might be occurring and we've contacted
[1:56:04] them and many
um,
[1:56:06] many have been very positive
uh, to that they didn't know that they
[1:56:10] had a leak and they were able to fix it.
We've had a lot of uh, we've had a lot
[1:56:14] of good response in in that approach.
So, uh, I just report that back that's
[1:56:19] uh, success we're having.
Um,
[1:56:22] we are uh, we we had a successful
um,
[1:56:26] uh, cemetery clean up and we appreciate
the help. Uh, we've had our cemetery
[1:56:31] sexton since our last meeting
uh, retired and at
[1:56:36] 30 years of service,
uh, we certainly appreciate his service
[1:56:40] um, and we are looking to to fill
positions and and move things around to
[1:56:45] to fill those um,
fill that staffing. So, we have a couple
[1:56:49] of temporary staffing that we've brought
on from Kelly Temp Services that we're
[1:56:54] filling that with and then we'll have
uh work towards a permanent
[1:56:59] uh, filling of of our of our staff
vacancies. So,
[1:57:03] um
anyway, I think we've we've put in
[1:57:07] sidewalk on 4th South. We've kind of
finished the dirt side of the trail. We
[1:57:11] are waiting
uh for uh some signage. That's why the
[1:57:15] trail hasn't officially opened uh
because we're waiting for some signage.
[1:57:19] Uh we are working on the pedestrian
activated lights. We're working
[1:57:23] um
on several different fronts to
[1:57:26] be able to
to improve where we can and and to
[1:57:29] continue following uh those plans that
you've laid out for us. So, um anything
[1:57:36] Ty, you have anything specific?
Okay. Um that's that's our brief report
[1:57:42] and we'll make it before 8:00.
>> We're setting some precedents here.
[1:57:47] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[1:57:49] Um
so, we will end
[1:57:54] um staff reports. Um
this time
[1:57:59] the council needs to go into a closed
session. So, we need a motion to go to
[1:58:06] end this meeting and go into a closed
session.
[1:58:10] » The purpose is to discuss the purchasing
of property to
[1:58:13] » Right. I didn't I didn't say that.
>> That's right. I just wanted to call it
[1:58:16] out and make sure the public knows.
That's fine.
[1:58:20] » So, at this time we'll excuse everyone
in the room and
[1:58:24] going to our closed session as soon as
we have a
[1:58:27] » We'll make a motion we go into closed
session.
[1:58:30] » Okay.