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Are you all present?

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>> Uh

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>> Recording in progress.

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>> Welcome to the Columbus Work Council.

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Work meeting is March 10th, 2026 at 1:00

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We will

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recognize the elected officials. We have

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Council

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Metcalfe, Council Graybill, Council

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Watty, Council McLain.

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All those following the meeting will be

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representatives of those invited by the

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Council to speak at special unless

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otherwise directed by the chair. Speak

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to speak until called upon by the

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Please be sure to use microphones so the

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is clear and those attending virtually

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can hear you. Please also be sure to

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limit side conversations as they

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interfere with the audio recording. If

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you need to have a side conversation,

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please step out of the work meeting

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room.

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It is proposed that we approve the

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following minutes: February 10th, 2026

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work meeting. Are there any objections

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Seeing none, um we will declare them as

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approved by unanimous consent.

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We're now going to move to a closed

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session. The Municipal Council

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will consider a motion to go to a closed

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meeting and be presented by Brian Jones,

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our Council Attorney.

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>> Thank you, Chairwoman Kay. Uh this one's

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a little bit um logistically, so let me

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them now and the other three

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after the rest of the work meeting.

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logistically, just so we're all on the

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same page, closed meetings are not a

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separate meeting. They're actually

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they're a closed portion of the work

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topics. You can vote now to hold a

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closed session on all four of the

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topics. You will move into the other

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room for the closed session, come back

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for an open meeting,

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and then when we get to the end, we'll

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just recess and go back into the closed

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those topics deal with There is

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where I guess there are four items. One

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of them has to do with real property.

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security devices, and one of them has to

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do with character and competence of an

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individual. That pretty much covers the

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whole department of public safety and

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those of meetings. And so, but all of

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>> All right. Thank you, Brian.

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>> I'll move that we close the meeting for

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reasons that Brian has stated.

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>> Councilor McKay, yes. Councilor

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Christiansen Christiansen is excused.

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» Recording in progress.

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» We are now reconvened for the full

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council work meeting.

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First, we'll do a presentation regarding

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Flock safety license plate readers.

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This will be 30-minute presented by our

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Chief Troy Beebe, Captain Robert

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Patrick, and Captain Brian Taylor.

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» Thank you very much for having us.

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the police department and and uh

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manages and audits our Flock or

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ALPR system, license plate reader

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is Captain Patrick. And I'd like to him

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to come up and present and uh we'll kind

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part of bringing Flock to Provo. He did

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» Thank you. Um so the automated license

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plate reader program uh Flock has been

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in use in Provo City since 20 late 2023.

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representative from Flock. I'm going to turn the time over to her

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real quick and have her take about 5

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minutes to explain um what Flock is uh

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and the program and then we're going to

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go through how it has affected Provo

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kind of going forward what our what our

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plans are with this uh program. So

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if you can can you pull her up real

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>> All right, if you want to take a couple

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minutes and just uh explain Flock to

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citizens of Provo force.

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it's a pleasure for me to be here with

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you. I am Lily Ho. I am the public

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affairs manager for Flock Safety. I

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cover the region from uh for the western

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states of the United States and um I'm

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here to present what our technology

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does, what it does not do, and to you

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for the time.

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Um, I'm going to share my screen now.

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Okay. Um, about Flock Safety, we started

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uh first as a product used for

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um the local neighborhood for our

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founder and CEO, Garrett Langley. He saw

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an uptick in crime in his community and

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sent camera footage from his door uh

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doorbell camera to the local law

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enforcement agencies and they

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that they said it wasn't very useful.

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he's an engineering he's an engineer by

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trade and looked into it and found that

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license plate reader technology has been

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around for decades, but the technology

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wasn't very usable, it wasn't

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affordable, and he set out to create a

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license plate reader, and that's what we

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to HOAs and found a market in law

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enforcement. Um, as you guys may be

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familiar, law enforcement agencies are

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facing recruitment challenges,

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retirement challenges, and retention

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challenges nationwide, and the

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able to give law enforcement officers a

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piece of evidence um

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and help them do their jobs better as a

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force multiplier without replacing their

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roles at all. Um, 70% of crimes are

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uh have a vehicle involved, and with our

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technologies we've been able to be

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um support all types of crimes.

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14 ft high. Typically, it's a municipal

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pole, and they face a public roadway.

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location. They do not move, and they

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help capture a time and place for the

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rear of a vehicle.

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plate, we're able to integrate these

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lists onto a general cloud, uh which

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lists as as well as NICMOC lists, which

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hot lists created by your local law

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of a vehicle, which includes the license

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in specifically a crime, the victims do

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um but they can recognize a description

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of the vehicle, your law enforcement

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help in in place of having a license

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end-to-end security encryption, and

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um and I want to be clear that our images do not capture any personal

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identifiable information, but we do

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treat the data as if it has a

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We you guys as customers are in full

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control of what you do with the data,

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how long you keep it, who you share

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selling or sharing your data to anybody

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else. You are in full control.

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This is our transparency portal. It

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helps lists the prohibited use cases for

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your for for your flock cameras.

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officers can put on success stories or or anything else including who you

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We help you comply to any specific state

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laws in Utah and we help with federal

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limitations. Again, you choose who you

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You can also remove and revoke access

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whenever you would like as well. And

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these audit logs are permanent.

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So, the audit logs would be tracking who

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searched what, when, and why.

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This is our offense type drop down. It's

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a tool.

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It's a feature in our platform and it

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requires

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what the search reason is. The search

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reasons are pulled from NIBRS

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and it helps your agencies with

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data analytics as well as

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removing any type of unacceptable or

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vague search reasons.

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In addition to the offense type reason

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for search, included would be

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um perhaps if required also per Provo's

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policies,

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um the case number as well.

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We do not share your data. We do not

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sell your data.

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Um regarding federal access, there is no

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backdoor access. Uh we do have a few

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federal agencies that are customers and

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they are

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the post office,

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national parks,

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and the VA.

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We've um gone through this many times.

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Um we've had recent law like recent case

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law wins as well, but there are probably

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about 60 case laws around violations of

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the Fourth Amendment and what like and

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whether license plate readers are um

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are are are are

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Excuse me. If your agencies are

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complying with constitu- with the Fourth

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Amendment in tracking license plates,

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um and it's there's probably 60 case

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laws out there about it.

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Um the federal courts have ruled

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very consistently and and upheld the

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fact that license plates are a

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government

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uh documentation meant to be viewed in

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the public and public roadways have no

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There's no right to privacy is on the

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public roadways.

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In addition, the clusters of cameras

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that we would have do not constitute as

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tracking

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um anyone's personal um habits or

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locations intimately. Most of our

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cameras um when they are placed, they

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are often in clusters. So, even if there

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are say 70 cameras in your town, there

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are likely multiple in one intersection.

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Um again, there's no personal

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identifiable information in our cameras.

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Um it is just the

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photo of a rear of a vehicle and

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um

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Oops, excuse me.

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Some of our partners include NICKMICK,

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which is the National Center for Missing

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and Exploited Children.

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Um they are the ones who run the Amber

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Alerts and we have found over a thousand

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missing people

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with Flock cameras and hundreds of

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children.

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MADD, Mothers Against Drunk Drivers,

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they're also a strong partner of ours

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because it turns out that most drunk

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driving incidents have uh there's very

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little evidence um and the families have

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like typically

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in an overwhelming percentage of the

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cases, there's no information at all.

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The NAACP is also a strong partner

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of ours um specifically in the chapter

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in Oakland. They find that using license

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plate readers helps reduce bias in

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policing.

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Instead of looking for a specific

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person, your law enforcement agencies

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are looking for something very um

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objective, a vehicle, a specific car and

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it removes any type of subjective

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judgment in um in policing.

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And in Utah, there are a lot of solved

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case stories. I know that your officers

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in Provo can tell you about many,

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um but I'll just share that most

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prominently there was a triple murder in

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over the weekend um

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Ivan Miller Ivan Miller

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and he was eventually caught states away

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and it was our Flock cameras that helped

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capture

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this person who

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for no reason murdered three people.

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And this is a case that's dear to us. It

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was our first stranger-on-stranger

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abduction. We were able to reunite this

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child with his mother within 6 hours.

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Um and I will turn this time over

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and

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pause for any questions or turn this

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back over to

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Captain Patrick.

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>> Any questions from the City Council for

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uh

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for Lily?

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Walk.

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>> No.

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>> Councilman

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>> Let me take a minute. Um

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I'm going to have uh the

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Brian Taylor,

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uh Captain Brian Taylor over the

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Operations Division.

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Uh

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he is going to talk a little bit about

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um

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the ability that Flock has to help us

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target particular vehicles as opposed to

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a shotgun effect uh of um targeting

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every single vehicle when we have a

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vehicle description. Um I'll I'll turn

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that over to you, Brian.

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» Thank you. I want to um first thank you

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for letting me present and speak to the

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people of Provo.

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This program is important to us. It

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allows the police department to focus

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really carefully on crime.

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The AI search feature that Lily touched

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on, the vehicle fingerprint, lets us do

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more than merely look for license

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plates.

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We had a case involving um

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a serial suspect in Provo committing um

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sex crime of some kind

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who would remove his plate and come to

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the city and all we had was a

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description of a white truck. But the AI

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search ability of Flock let us

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take sus um

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vehicle descriptions from victims and

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identify a white truck. This victim said

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she knew it had a stainless steel

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toolbox in the bed.

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And that identification led us focus on

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one truck. Without that,

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Provo police officers would have been

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making stops on

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middle-aged

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men with uh white trucks of an unknown

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model. We would have stopped dozens of

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cars. But Flock lets us focus on

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offenders and get out of the business of

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having to make investigative stops.

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We'll still make investigative stops

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when we must.

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But this technology let us focus on one

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person and find him really efficiently

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without interfering

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with all of the dozens of innocent

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people in this city who drive I'm a

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middle-aged guy with a white truck. I

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would have been stopped.

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So,

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this is a tool this is a a protection

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and a win for Provo City citizens cuz it

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helps police focus really narrowly and

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carefully on offenders. Thank you.

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» Uh one of the one of the

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uh

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benefits I I guess one of the tools that

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Flock uses that Flock has allowed us to

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use is a transparency portal, uh which

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is now active on the uh Provo City

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website. If you go to the police uh page

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uh down towards the bottom, it'll talk

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about uh uh ALPR uh policy. If you click

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in that policy, at the bottom of that,

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there is a link to that will bring you

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to this page, which is the transparency

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portal. On this page, it talks about the

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number of Sorry, Becky.

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» Okay.

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>> Sure.

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As far as how to go and find it, is that

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what you're asking for? Sure. If you can

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go to the Provo City page.

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All right. Um while he's doing that,

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I'll I'll uh

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I'll just describe what's on the page.

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Uh it has uh the number of vehicle

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license plates that are read inside of

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the city. Uh it shows the number of

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searches that the Provo police officers

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are making uh in the database to to

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which correlate uh also to the number of

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cases

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um that we that we have uh

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that or that we're investigating involve

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these ALPRs or that could involve these

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ALPRs. So, on the police page I

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Yes, ma'am.

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>> I'm

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speaking for the Provo Police

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Department. So, again, police

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department.

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>> Okay.

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» And then you scroll all the way down.

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What does it say on there?

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>> And it says automated license plate

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reader policy.

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» You need to switch thing up.

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Okay. So,

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it says automated license plate reader

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policy.

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>> And then if you click on that, then uh

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towards the bottom

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it's going to have link to transparency

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portal data. If you click on that portal

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data link, uh you proceed to the site

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and it will pull up

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specific to Provo City uh within the

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last 30 days the number of um well, the

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data that Flock is providing to us

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regarding our ALPR system. So, within

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the last 30 days

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um there are 84 searches that our police

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officers have done. In order to do a

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search, Lilly, she taught she touched on

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this, they have to have a case number

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assigned to it. Uh assigned to the

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search and they have to have a reason.

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Uh there is an internal audit that is

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conducted by the police department. It's

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a monthly audit where we look at a

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specific number of cases or specific

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number of searches and ensure that they

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were done properly, that they were done

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within the Provo City policy. Um also,

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if you were to back out of this one, you

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can go to the automated license

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plate license plate reader policy that

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Provo City has. Um you can click on that

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and go in and read the policy itself uh

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where we can determine whether or not

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um

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uh the policy is being uh abided by by

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our officers. So, the transparency link

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it'll show you a lot of different

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uh the transparency portal will show you

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a lot of information about how we're utilizing that system and that is

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so that the citizens of Provo um are

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aware of of what we're doing and can

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feel comfortable with uh the technology

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that we have. Towards the bottom you

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have some recent success stories. Uh

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please go in there and read those. Uh

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we've used it over the past several

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years to solve many uh significant

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cases. I'm going to turn the time over

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to Chief BB here real quick. If you can

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pull our deck back up and then he's

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going to talk about a couple of uh of

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how we've utilized this uh recently.

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>> So,

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I have uh I have a couple of examples

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that I want to to provide and one of them is uh

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hit-and-runs.

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This first case talks about

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hit-and-runs. We had an individual who

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was hit and killed right outside the

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police department at 500 West and Center

563
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,440
Street. Um

564
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,120
this happened at the

565
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:16,200
4:00 a.m. 4:27 a.m. to be exact. And by

566
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,400
11:00 we were able to solve this crime.

567
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,360
The individual was hit.

568
00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:25,120
The vehicle stops for a moment and then

569
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:26,680
fled.

570
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,200
Our information came from a grocery

571
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,640
store across the street

572
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,040
200 yards away

573
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,160
and it was very

574
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,160
vague, but I could you could tell by

575
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,280
looking at it that it was a um

576
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,280
a white van.

577
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,040
And utilizing the system we were able to

578
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,440
identify especially at that early in the

579
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,400
morning

580
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,160
what white van was in the area at the

581
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,320
time.

582
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,280
Um and that that led us to a successful

583
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,680
resolution.

584
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,320
Previous case um without

585
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,920
having the ability to use LPR, we had a

586
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,120
young lady on 820 North

587
00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:10,360
that was jogging, hit, killed, and

588
00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:12,720
uh we have not solved that case.

589
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,480
Some more circumstances with vague

590
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,040
information,

591
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:16,640
uh

592
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,040
and

593
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,920
a totally different outcome.

594
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,760
Um this is

595
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,440
about serving

596
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,480
the citizens of Provo.

597
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,720
The victims from that case

598
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,280
uh

599
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,040
because of the the lack of that that

600
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,800
program that we now have, we're

601
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,280
underserved.

602
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:43,110
We don't have an answer for them.

603
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,040
Sexual assault and impersonating an

604
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,440
officer, let's put checks on everybody.

605
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,480
Um if you're committing a crime

606
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,080
uh or a criminal, then then I would not

607
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,560
want LPR.

608
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,640
Uh but simply put, a correctional

609
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,520
officer from um

610
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,720
North

611
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,680
followed a female into Provo,

612
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,240
pulled her over using dis red and blue

613
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,120
lights. All of these are crimes.

614
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:09,880
And um

615
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,520
then groped her.

616
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,280
She did not have a license plate or

617
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800
anything that would be able to identify

618
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,800
this individual other than he had a

619
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,360
uniform on and pulled her over.

620
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:24,800
We were able to know where she was in a

621
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,200
point in time,

622
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,120
collect this information,

623
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,440
and behind her

624
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,840
is the suspect vehicle,

625
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:38,470
and we were able to solve this crime.

626
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:44,400
Vehicle theft, we've had several vehicle thefts in

627
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,440
Provo,

628
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,760
um and to say that that isn't a a an issue, it is.

629
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:56,240
Um this is a product that we can utilize

630
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,040
and have alerts put out where we can

631
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,600
find and recover these vehicles.

632
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,640
Um in a road rage assault situation where

633
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,400
someone is assaulted and

634
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,800
um

635
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,160
they're utilizing a car which is 70% of

636
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,200
the time a car is used in a crime.

637
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,680
We're able to

638
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,120
use this information to better serve

639
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,120
public. The The information and all of

640
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:26,840
the checks and balances are there.

641
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,160
Um you have to have a reason

642
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,960
uh similar to any other products that we utilize like your driver's license or

643
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,320
your registration. We have to provide a

644
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,080
reason for the investigation or criminal

645
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:46,150
reason for the search in into these.

646
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,200
The

647
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,480
one of the stolen vehicles was a vehicle that um

648
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,600
had a young lady inside the vehicle.

649
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,080
When we tried to pull the vehicle over

650
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,480
it fled.

651
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,480
According to our policy we didn't chase.

652
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,360
We don't want to put everyone else in in

653
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:01,960
jeopardy.

654
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,600
But we were able to locate the vehicle

655
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,560
and then the passenger of this vehicle

656
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,000
said, "I want it out."

657
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:09,960
Um

658
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,560
that's that's kidnapping.

659
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,160
And they didn't allow her that

660
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,200
opportunity to get out. It scared her.

661
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,230
Um

662
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,880
there's and this is just another case of of us utilizing this

663
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,440
product. What What I would ask the

664
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,240
council to consider is that

665
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,000
this is a very valuable tool to the

666
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,720
police department.

667
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,880
Taking this tool away

668
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,240
will

669
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,440
one it it's a force multiplier by many

670
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,160
but it will eliminate the opportunity

671
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,480
for us to catch people that dearly need

672
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,480
to be caught.

673
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,000
Um the the case in which uh

674
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Lilly brought up with three ladies that

675
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,040
were killed.

676
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,200
That case went into Arizona and then it

677
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,120
went into Colorado. That's three states.

678
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,720
The LPR system was utilized

679
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,600
and this individual who is homicidal was

680
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,080
caught before he killed some other lady.

681
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,240
I would ask that you just think about

682
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,360
which lady in your family would you like

683
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,320
us not to have caught this individual if

684
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,360
we didn't have this program.

685
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,640
Which victim would you like?

686
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:33,480
And I would ask that you think of the the tool that the valuable tool that

687
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,880
this is to the police department.

688
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,560
Um

689
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,000
it is something that is desperately

690
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,240
needed.

691
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,720
Uh

692
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,160
questions?

693
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,720
I mean, I'm sorry I get emotional, but I

694
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,000
also get emotional because I love

695
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,360
people.

696
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:52,160
And these these are victims. These real

697
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,800
victims. This isn't something of uh us

698
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,240
randomly being big government and trying

699
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,840
to spy on people. That is not the case.

700
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,840
>> Chief.

701
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,680
We appreciate it. Um, are there any

702
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,080
questions for

703
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,240
Chief for Captain Patrick or the Chief?

704
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,120
>> I I have a question.

705
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,640
>> Go ahead, Councillor Whitlock.

706
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,760
>> So, uh I think this maybe is more for uh

707
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,400
Captain Patrick, but it would be helpful

708
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,400
if you could just describe the various

709
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,560
um policies and processes that the

710
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,560
police department has in place to

711
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,960
protect

712
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,960
uh resident data in this program.

713
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,960
>> Sure. So, I I encourage you all uh

714
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,720
through that transparency or through

715
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,120
that Provo City page, through the police

716
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:38,200
page, you can go on and you can read our

717
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,760
ALPR policy

718
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,200
um that we've implemented in the in the

719
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,840
police department. But, as far as your

720
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,200
you said privacy protection for the

721
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,160
information, is that correct? So,

722
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,200
currently the informa- or currently our

723
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,040
settings on this system on the database,

724
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,160
uh you have to have multi multi

725
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,680
authentication multi-factor

726
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,040
authentication.

727
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,200
Um so, meaning uh if a password somehow

728
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,720
is stolen, an individual still can't

729
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,480
access the information and and a

730
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,840
uh an unauthorized individual still

731
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,280
can't

732
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,440
access the information because they

733
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,320
don't have that

734
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,640
multi-factor authentication. Uh they

735
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,440
would have to have the uh officer's cell

736
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,440
phone or they would have to have their

737
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,120
email address and be able to access. So,

738
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,320
that's the one of the first line of of

739
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,520
defenses. Uh Flock has given us a list,

740
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,200
and I'm sorry I'm not a a computer

741
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,600
genius. I can't tell you all the

742
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,160
acronyms of uh security protocols that

743
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,760
they use to encrypt data um from the

744
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,320
point of capture to the point of uh

745
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,800
storage in our um

746
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,600
in in the cloud storage where this

747
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,240
information is is stored. Um but that

748
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,920
information is is available through the

749
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,760
Flock database or through the Flock

750
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,560
company, and they've posted all of those

751
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,400
different certifications and whatnot. Is

752
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,080
there whatever

753
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,880
>> Yeah, that's great. And then one of the

754
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,920
things that Flock mentioned in our in

755
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,480
our previous meetings is that we own our

756
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,200
own data.

757
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,760
>> Correct.

758
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,600
>> So, could you explain, for example, what

759
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,800
that means

760
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,720
and how we participate in the national

761
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,720
lookup program?

762
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,960
>> So, the national lookup program is a

763
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,440
program Chief BB brought up

764
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,480
uh the example of this individual down

765
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,960
in Iron County just last weekend. The

766
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,440
national data The national lookup

767
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,160
program is something that Provo City is

768
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,040
currently involved with. Um

769
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,520
in essence,

770
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,280
uh we are allowed to access because we

771
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,600
are part of this program or we've opted into

772
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,600
this program, we can access the LPR

773
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,320
cameras ALPR cameras um through the

774
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,760
entire country. If I have a plate, let's

775
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,000
say my license plate was involved in

776
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,120
some type of a serious incident, I can

777
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,960
put my license plate into the ALPR

778
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,000
system, and it will search nationally

779
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,080
where that vehicle has been. But my car

780
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,280
has been parked in front of my house for

781
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,280
quite some time, so it would just It

782
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,120
actually there's no real LPR camera on

783
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,720
my street, so

784
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,960
it would show nothing, right?

785
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,400
But I can search the national database,

786
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,880
and likewise, anyone else that

787
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,440
participates in the national database,

788
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,200
which is a significant part of the

789
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,280
country of law enforcement, can also

790
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,520
search our data. They have to have the

791
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,480
reason for the search, and that is

792
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,440
auditable by our police department, so I

793
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,160
see all of the searches that are done

794
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,720
that are conducted,

795
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,160
and I see the reasons for those

796
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,520
searches, why they were conducted.

797
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,360
>> And you you you audit that monthly,

798
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:16,640
correct?

799
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,920
>> Correct. That is a that is monthly

800
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,600
audited.

801
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,400
>> data.

802
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,880
>> Correct.

803
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,950
>> Um

804
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:24,920
So,

805
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,920
you also uh

806
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,880
one other So, we also talked about how

807
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,960
um

808
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,000
there's a retention policy, correct?

809
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:33,400
>> Yes.

810
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,520
>> Can you explain that a little bit?

811
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,040
>> So, there's a retention policy. All of

812
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,800
the the from the audit standpoint, the retention is correct.

813
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,640
The actual data storage, uh if you're

814
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,080
talking about ALPR data storage, it's 30

815
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,880
days. Um that is customizable. We have

816
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,680
approval city, and I think nationally

817
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,800
it's it's the standard has become kind

818
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,360
of a 30-day uh period, and that is

819
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,640
because after 30 days, uh

820
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,080
the retention of more information feels

821
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,880
like it's creeping into something that

822
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,600
it probably shouldn't creep into. So,

823
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,120
our retention period is 30 days for our

824
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,000
data, at which point on day 31 or day

825
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,680
32, depend Oh, 30 No, day 31, um that uh

826
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,320
that first day's worth of data is then

827
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,600
expunged and is no longer accessible to

828
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,320
anyone, ever.

829
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,720
>> Amazing. And then my last question is,

830
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,320
can you explain

831
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,200
um

832
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,240
kind of the data that is actually

833
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,960
captured, and how it's not video at

834
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,200
least for these license plate readers,

835
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,360
what what's actually being captured in

836
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:26,520
the system?

837
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,840
>> So, thank you for the question. Um

838
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,680
I would For those of you that know what

839
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,640
a a trail camera is, uh let's let's talk

840
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,880
about a trail camera. It's a camera

841
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,880
that's mounted on a a tree, and every

842
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,400
time it an animal walks by, you have a

843
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,120
setting on that trail camera that says,

844
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,400
"I want to take a photograph, or I want

845
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,640
to take two photographs, or I want to

846
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,440
take three photographs." That is the

847
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,360
That's the the the basis of where this

848
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,600
these ALPRs

849
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,920
were were created.

850
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,920
When somebody drives by a Flock camera,

851
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,720
the camera will take a it's motion

852
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,840
activated, and it will take a photograph

853
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,880
or two or three, depending on how fast

854
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,840
that vehicle may be going. And then

855
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,160
those

856
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,200
that

857
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,000
metadata is attached to the

858
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,280
camera that it's that took the

859
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,000
photograph or that took the picture,

860
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,680
the date and the time, and that is then

861
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,160
encrypted and sent to our cloud storage,

862
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,560
basically, where it

863
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,120
is searchable for the for the next 30

864
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,000
days.

865
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,640
>> I think that makes sense.

866
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,400
>> Yeah. Thank you.

867
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,640
Any other questions I can answer?

868
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,230
Mayor?

869
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,040
» I was just going to say

870
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,560
um

871
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,160
I work with our cyber security team.

872
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,590
Like, um those

873
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,760
There we go. Anyway, uh I was talking to

874
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,640
him

875
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,480
and there are some

876
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,480
like Flock has has said that they've

877
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,080
made patches and updated for

878
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,640
vulnerabilities and things like that he's not satisfied completely

879
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,920
because that is coming from them, and he

880
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,040
Anyway, he's going to work I just wanted

881
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,320
to let everyone know that he is going to

882
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,880
work with the chief and Officer Patrick

883
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,800
and um Flock and make sure that he can

884
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,920
have his own verification that those

885
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,399
patches and updates

886
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:10,240
are good and in place.

887
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,560
>> And if I if I may, Mayor, um on on that

888
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,440
point, I reached out to Flock and

889
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,520
received confirmation back from them

890
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,560
that there is a They have a third-party

891
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,240
auditor

892
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:19,879
>> Okay.

893
00:34:19,879 --> 00:34:22,000
>> that they utilize. They provided us with

894
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,600
that information. I forwarded that on to

895
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,720
Tyler, so he can verify with that

896
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:27,800
third-party auditor to his satisfaction

897
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,440
or to your satisfaction that they're

898
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,800
complying with whatever security

899
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,120
measures you see

900
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:32,960
>> Okay. That's great.

901
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,679
>> Thank you.

902
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:34,040
>> Good.

903
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,399
>> That's great. Thank you.

904
00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:36,280
>> Okay. Thank you.

905
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,320
>> so much, everyone.

906
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,320
All right. Item number two, a

907
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,919
presentation regarding the 2027 budget

908
00:34:42,919 --> 00:34:44,720
for police. So,

909
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:48,030
you guys will just stay here.

910
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,200
» Well,

911
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,800
that's good. I just I'll stand here.

912
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,080
I

913
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,000
Our budget presentation prepared by

914
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,520
Captain Taylor

915
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,720
um what's very good. And if you want to

916
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,120
come up,

917
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,920
Taylor. Um he'll go through some of our

918
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,480
supplemental requests. And uh those

919
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,640
things what's good to know is that uh

920
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,520
I hire to surround myself with really

921
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,200
good people, as you can tell.

922
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,240
Um and it's good for me to to provide

923
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:20,640
them an opportunity to talk to you and

924
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,040
answer questions.

925
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,640
So, it's good for them, also. So, uh

926
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,400
he's going to do this

927
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:33,790
presentation, and I'll be here to

928
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,040
» Members of the council, thank you again.

929
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,680
Going to talk about um our budget

930
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,840
priorities for the year. These have been

931
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,720
developed with the uh support and

932
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,480
leadership of city finance leaders,

933
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,520
who've been instrumental in help

934
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,670
helping us focus.

935
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,920
Our mission statement requires us to uh

936
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,520
constantly examine in order if we're

937
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,960
going to accomplish our mission to work

938
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,760
with citizens and improve the quality of

939
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,440
life

940
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,360
and stop crime,

941
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,440
we have to maximize our resources and

942
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,160
focus them where needed. These

943
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,800
priorities are designed to accomplish

944
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,960
that

945
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,870
objective.

946
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,000
Our requests this year are two, um

947
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,360
body-worn camera and in-car camera

948
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,000
systems.

949
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,200
I'd like to talk about camera systems

950
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,040
first.

951
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,840
We have a contract with the Axon

952
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,600
Corporation to provide

953
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,360
by what is now a very common place piece

954
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,560
of police technology and it's a body

955
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,960
worn camera system.

956
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,560
That contract expires

957
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:43,470
at the end of June in 2027.

958
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,280
We used to have

959
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,920
a in-car camera system

960
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,400
that would capture

961
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,320
from the essentially from the mirror

962
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,720
position of the police vehicle

963
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,600
um what the vehicle saw during a

964
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,680
response to a call or a pursuit.

965
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,160
That system when the department

966
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,640
transitioned to this building

967
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,440
was already uh old and outdated and

968
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,360
moving it here would have required us to

969
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,760
uh install antiquated equipment in this

970
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,920
building.

971
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,200
Mainly data transfer points in the

972
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,550
parking structures.

973
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,200
We did not do that wondering at the time

974
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,640
if the body worn camera was an adequate

975
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,200
solution.

976
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,760
It turns out it is These are different

977
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,200
technologies for different purposes.

978
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,880
We need to reconstitute an in-car camera

979
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,400
capability and renew a

980
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,280
um body worn camera contract and we

981
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,680
are keen to do this inside one contract

982
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,440
that manages all of that large amount of

983
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,040
video data inside of a common video

984
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,960
management system that's safe and secure

985
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,880
and CJIS compliant.

986
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,240
These systems support investigations and

987
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,880
protect officers. Let me talk about body

988
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,040
worn cameras. A body worn camera

989
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,520
um

990
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,120
captures things from an officer's point

991
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,320
of view

992
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,960
and it it does a great deal to protect

993
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,240
the officer and the city from false

994
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,520
claims.

995
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,200
It supports uh criminal investigations

996
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,440
and allows the officer to capture the

997
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,320
heat and chaos at a crime scene and to

998
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,600
capture a victim's first statement about

999
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,960
a crime, which is important to

1000
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,080
investigators.

1001
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,560
And so we understand what body-worn

1002
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,680
cameras are for.

1003
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,320
A vehicle-mounted cameras capture

1004
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,560
another component of investigations. It

1005
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,760
captures what an officer does during the

1006
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:50,240
conduct of a DUI investigation from an objective

1007
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,600
third-party point of point of view,

1008
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,480
third-person point of view. Not from the

1009
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,680
officer's chest. A vehicle of a

1010
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,920
body-worn camera, if you're having any

1011
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,400
familiar with it familiarity at all,

1012
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,040
that video footage can be erratic cuz

1013
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,440
it's literally on the officer's body and

1014
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,520
he's doing other things. It can be

1015
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,680
obscured by what he's doing with his

1016
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,760
hands.

1017
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,720
A vehicle-mounted system is is remote.

1018
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,600
It's on the vehicle and it can capture

1019
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,880
the officer doing field sobriety tests.

1020
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,480
It can also capture the officer's

1021
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,840
driving behavior, the suspect's driving

1022
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,160
behavior during a traffic stop. It can

1023
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,920
help them establish probable cause for a

1024
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,000
stop for that reason and show to the

1025
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,320
court what he saw.

1026
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,000
So we are missing makeable

1027
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,960
investigations for lack of this

1028
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,950
technology.

1029
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,240
Are there questions about cameras?

1030
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,400
The size of the request is

1031
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,480
um

1032
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,640
This This is a preliminary quote from

1033
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,560
one corporation.

1034
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,440
There is right now an active request for

1035
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,760
proposals

1036
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,840
on the city's RFP system. It's the state

1037
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,120
purchasing network.

1038
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,680
Um so these represent the top end of

1039
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,920
what these contracts may be.

1040
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:03,720
Uh

1041
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:05,200
we know at least one of them will come

1042
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,200
in in this neighborhood.

1043
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,600
But uh

1044
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,400
this is based on adding a car camera

1045
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,680
system to our current

1046
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,800
um

1047
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,040
contract cost for only maintaining the

1048
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,040
Axon contract. So, this is the cost to

1049
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,040
add for adding another system to our

1050
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,430
contracts budget.

1051
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,960
I've said

1052
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,360
crammed a lot of

1053
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,800
work into just one slide. Is there

1054
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,040
questions about cameras?

1055
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,840
>> I think you're good.

1056
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,200
>> Okay, moving on.

1057
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,000
Last year we came to the council and

1058
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,760
asked for an increase to our personal

1059
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,720
protection budget, which we use to buy

1060
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,240
armor, and I'm here to ask you again,

1061
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:48,800
and I want to be accountable for what

1062
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,840
happened last year.

1063
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,320
We spent that money on

1064
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,360
scheduled replacements for personal

1065
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,960
protective systems for police officers.

1066
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,880
That's the first big ticket item. I want

1067
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,840
you to think about that vest that they

1068
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,600
all wear, and it's that carrier vest

1069
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,880
that has ballistic Kevlar inside of it.

1070
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,920
The next thing that's that's most of

1071
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,200
that budget. We spend the remainder of

1072
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,120
it on things like

1073
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,200
Kevlar helmets

1074
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,000
and some SWAT equipment.

1075
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,120
This year we identified a need that we

1076
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,840
also had to replace some badly outdated

1077
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,920
ballistic shields, and just think about

1078
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,360
that shield the Romans used to carry

1079
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,000
around, except it's made out of Kevlar

1080
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,080
this time. And an officer might take

1081
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,240
that to a school shooting.

1082
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,240
We We had a few of those.

1083
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:44,040
They were expired by 7 years, I think.

1084
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,320
They don't stop working the day they're

1085
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,440
expired, but they degrade over time.

1086
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,520
And so, we bought several more of those.

1087
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,960
Now we have a need to replace similarly

1088
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,640
expired inserts, in addition to the

1089
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,960
standard Kevlar that they wear on their

1090
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,800
vests.

1091
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,240
This This request is designed to let us

1092
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,440
replace expired

1093
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,120
ballistic inserts, and these are rifle

1094
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,840
rated

1095
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,400
flexible panels that an officer puts on

1096
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,600
top of a normal pistol rated vest.

1097
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,040
It goes inside inside the carrier on top

1098
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,440
of the pistol rated armor and it

1099
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,480
protects the vital areas on his front

1100
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,120
and back from rifle fire.

1101
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,640
These new products we have old products.

1102
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,000
The old ones are heavier and thicker.

1103
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,480
The new products are thinner, lighter,

1104
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,440
more flexible and unsurprisingly more

1105
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,120
expensive.

1106
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,200
Um this we have 90 expired systems. This

1107
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,400
request is a design to let us equip 60

1108
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,080
officers this year with updated systems.

1109
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,920
We'll focus those on officers in the

1110
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,000
patrol division first and then we will

1111
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,320
use the normally scheduled um

1112
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,880
armor budget

1113
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,040
to cover the remainder over the next 2

1114
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,960
years.

1115
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,040
So this is a request rate of $9,400

1116
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,840
to equip police officers with

1117
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,800
um armored inserts that they may use to

1118
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,400
protect their vital areas from heavier

1119
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,760
fire uh firearms fires while responding

1120
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,600
to calls. Any questions about armor?

1121
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,520
>> This is a one-time ask. This is a

1122
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,560
non-recurring ask.

1123
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,880
>> This unlike last year's a one-time

1124
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,760
request for purchasing a specific

1125
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,320
product.

1126
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,080
Armor is the products are multiplying.

1127
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,960
We feel a

1128
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960
an urge to

1129
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,560
meet the needs of officers and keep them

1130
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,800
safe while they work.

1131
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,480
These things are also going to expire

1132
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,320
but unlike the old systems, this one is

1133
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,480
going to last 10 years rather than five.

1134
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,280
Um so that's a a savings over time but

1135
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,320
this is a one-time request and not an

1136
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,920
ongoing request for an increase to the

1137
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,640
personal protection budget.

1138
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,040
>> Are these more breathable than the ones

1139
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,400
they currently have?

1140
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,040
>> Uh no. That's not the that's not a

1141
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,440
factor at play. The vest itself with its

1142
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,240
pistol rated thing is a heavy sweaty

1143
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:10,960
affair.

1144
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,600
And the addition of this rifle

1145
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,280
insert isn't going to change that

1146
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,630
problem.

1147
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,120
» Do you have So, you said 10 years. Have

1148
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,160
you gone through all of the different

1149
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,640
armor and things like that and say,

1150
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,080
"Okay, in 6 years we're going to need to

1151
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,600
be replacing this number of units for

1152
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,840
this portion" and like do we do we have

1153
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,560
a a plan like a rotation

1154
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,480
>> Yes. Yes, we do. But, these products are

1155
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,240
all additions.

1156
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:44,640
So,

1157
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,600
we maintain this

1158
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,840
I can tell you that this year

1159
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,680
uh in the next fiscal year, I'm going to

1160
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,600
replace 12 standard vest systems.

1161
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,080
And that's just because we replace those

1162
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,080
every 5 years. They get degraded by sweat

1163
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,960
and flexion.

1164
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,720
Those those Kevlar fibers degrade.

1165
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,400
I'm going to replace 12 of those on a

1166
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,840
scheduled 5-year replacement schedule

1167
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,840
and I'm likely to buy 10 more to equip

1168
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,640
new hires. So, I expect to buy 22 of

1169
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,960
those.

1170
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,240
Similarly, all of our helmets have got

1171
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:23,440
those on a schedule and I had to

1172
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,240
purchase a stack of those this year

1173
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:27,120
because they're they were purchased at

1174
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,880
once and I'm trying to distribute these

1175
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,840
purchases

1176
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,440
so that they're not all coming due at

1177
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,080
the same time.

1178
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,400
So, I focused this request on 60 systems

1179
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,800
rather than 90 systems for two reasons.

1180
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,760
One is for that, but the major one is

1181
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,840
just to reduce the bill because I I

1182
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,080
understand that city dollars are

1183
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,720
scarce.

1184
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:50,520
But, this is the critical need that I

1185
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,320
that I'm asking for this year.

1186
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,920
>> But, you you've got your spreadsheet, so

1187
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,960
you're tracking which things are come

1188
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,440
due. Like you're rotating the food

1189
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:57,920
storage.

1190
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,080
>> Yes, we are.

1191
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,030
>> All right.

1192
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,910
» Are there other questions?

1193
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,320
In summary, those are our

1194
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,280
um

1195
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,120
requests, camera systems in the amount

1196
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,800
of a $107,000 increase

1197
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,440
for a new 5-year contract for uh two

1198
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,880
camera systems and a one-time request

1199
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,640
for $89,000 for armor.

1200
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,000
>> So, are these things going to be in your

1201
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,280
budget or you're looking for an

1202
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,200
appropriation?

1203
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,320
>> The

1204
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:28,960
um

1205
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,760
camera system will be a an increase to

1206
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,520
the budget

1207
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,160
and the armor will be an appropriation.

1208
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,720
Thank you for the question.

1209
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:41,720
>> Councilor Whitlock.

1210
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:42,800
>> Uh

1211
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,160
if I understood correctly, the camera

1212
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,240
systems quote from Motorola was

1213
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:48,640
preliminary.

1214
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,320
Is it Is there a Has there been a formal

1215
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,280
RFP and if not, when's that when you

1216
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:52,520
plan to

1217
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,800
>> There is a formal RFP. It is published

1218
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,520
now and corporations who wish to compete

1219
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,000
for this uh contract must submit um

1220
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,880
qualifying bids by April 2nd.

1221
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,320
>> And so, we're and how confident are we

1222
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,680
all that

1223
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,560
effectively like

1224
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,320
um

1225
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,120
someone will come in at that budget.

1226
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,200
There's not going to be like a

1227
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,920
>> One of these corporations has submitted

1228
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:15,480
this bid.

1229
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,960
>> Got it. Got it. Okay.

1230
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:17,440
>> Yep.

1231
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,360
>> But there may be another that's lower.

1232
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,280
>> That is right.

1233
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,360
>> Thank you.

1234
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,960
>> All right. Any other questions?

1235
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:26,320
Hey.

1236
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,440
>> Did you guys This is the higher the

1237
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,200
higher bid that we're talking about with

1238
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,360
the cameras. Was the act to get passed

1239
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,840
on?

1240
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,320
>> All right. Thank you so much.

1241
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,640
>> Thank you for your attention.

1242
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,760
>> We appreciate all you guys do.

1243
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,000
>> You too.

1244
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:40,920
Very much.

1245
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,560
>> Hey, third of presentation regarding the

1246
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,640
2027 budget for the mayor's office and

1247
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,840
this will be presented by Scott

1248
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,200
Henderson, the chief administrative

1249
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:47,800
officer.

1250
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,040
>> But But

1251
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,280
was the was dispatch part of ours?

1252
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:51,640
>> Oh.

1253
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,320
>> Do we have dispatch Tom? We have one

1254
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,040
more uh

1255
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:54,520
>> Okay.

1256
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,720
>> Yes, I'm

1257
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,520
Let's hear from dispatch.

1258
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,840
>> I'm sorry, guys. She's still on that. No

1259
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,640
problem.

1260
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,960
>> We have 15 minutes left for the summit.

1261
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:04,840
>> That's fine. Yeah.

1262
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,800
>> I will be quick.

1263
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,240
Um

1264
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,120
No, you're fine. So, my name is Heather

1265
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,560
Perkins. I'm the manager of the 911

1266
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,440
center for Provo City. We fall under the

1267
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,160
police department, but we are considered

1268
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,520
a consolidated center. So, we actually

1269
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,160
provide dispatch services for three

1270
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,080
police departments and two fire

1271
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,520
departments. Um this is a contract that

1272
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,920
we made with Orem City

1273
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,640
December 25th of 2022.

1274
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:32,880
>> And then who's the third police

1275
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:33,600
department?

1276
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,000
>> Lindon subcontracts with Orem. So, we

1277
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,680
provide dispatch services for Provo,

1278
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,160
Orem, and Lindon Police Department, and

1279
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,600
then Provo and Orem Fire Department.

1280
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,360
Uh our budget in dispatch is divided

1281
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:53,280
between Provo and Orem. So, we get um

1282
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,080
911 surcharge taxes from the state for a

1283
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,920
percentage of every 911 call that is

1284
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,920
made that comes into our center. Uh that

1285
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,320
covers roughly 34% of our budget. Uh

1286
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,880
then the remaining part of our budget is

1287
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,160
divided between Provo and Orem. 50% of

1288
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,640
the budget is divided between the two

1289
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,000
cities based on population, and then 50%

1290
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,800
of the budget is divided between the two

1291
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,000
cities based on call volume.

1292
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,800
Uh so,

1293
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,080
roughly 34% is covered by the 911 tax.

1294
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,200
Orem pays approximately 34 and 1/2% of

1295
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,640
the remaining, and then Provo pays 31

1296
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,320
and 1/2% of the remaining.

1297
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,760
Um so, in our dispatch there next slide,

1298
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,760
please.

1299
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:39,400
>> Yeah.

1300
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,470
>> Oh, oh, oh, yes, I do. I'm so sorry.

1301
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,160
Which one do I do?

1302
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:54,470
>> Arrow.

1303
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,270
» Okay.

1304
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,080
that's fine. Um so, in our

1305
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,360
dispatch center, we are allotted 43 and

1306
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,600
1/2 full-time positions.

1307
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,720
Um we staff four radio positions 24

1308
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,040
hours a day.

1309
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,880
Um those radio positions are we staff a

1310
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,360
Provo Police main channel, an Orem and

1311
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,400
Lindon Police main channel. Then we have

1312
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,360
a shared police service channel for all

1313
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,920
the three departments to be able to go

1314
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,480
to to run the requests like warrants,

1315
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,560
driver's licenses, things like that. And

1316
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,200
then we have one shared fire response

1317
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,080
channel. So, what my ask is is to be

1318
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,720
able to add two additional full-time

1319
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,080
positions to our staffing numbers so

1320
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,400
that we can increase

1321
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,040
the opportunity to provide a secondary

1322
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,960
fire response channel for the fire

1323
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,000
departments during peak hours of the

1324
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,080
day.

1325
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:44,880
Um

1326
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,800
in the last calendar year, our dispatch

1327
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,080
center fielded 227,747

1328
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,120
phone calls. Um and within the fire

1329
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,640
departments' responses, we had 3,496

1330
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,840
calls that are classified as fire calls.

1331
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,360
That's not medical, that's just

1332
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,080
specifically fire.

1333
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,200
Um every time we get a specific type of

1334
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,760
fire call, which is

1335
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,680
any kind of fire involving a fire report

1336
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,120
involving a commercial or residential

1337
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,480
structure or grass fires, the way that

1338
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,720
we operate in dispatch is we give that

1339
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,520
channel or we give that incident its own

1340
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,080
specific channel because the call radio

1341
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,120
traffic becomes so much that it kind of does not allow

1342
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,120
for other fire responses or other

1343
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,680
medical responses to really have the

1344
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,640
airtime. It gets really muddled. So,

1345
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,520
what our current

1346
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,200
um

1347
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,960
operating procedure is is that we will

1348
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,160
take one of our call takers and move

1349
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,240
them to that secondary fire channel to

1350
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,840
be able to cover that. And I pulled

1351
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,360
statistics that there were 1,870

1352
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,600
fire calls that meet those criteria that

1353
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,960
we would assign to a second channel in

1354
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,680
the last calendar year. So,

1355
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,400
depending on the severity of the fire

1356
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,040
incident, it can roughly take an hour or

1357
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,200
more for those kinds of major incidents

1358
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,200
to resolve. So, that's up to 5-plus

1359
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,840
hours a day that our dispatchers are not

1360
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,840
able to perform their primary

1361
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,680
call-taking responsibilities because

1362
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,440
they're helping to cover

1363
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,280
the fire channel. So, that's my ask is

1364
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,200
that we

1365
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,200
can increase our staffing for that.

1366
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,440
Yes.

1367
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,760
>> If so,

1368
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,440
how much of that employee would be

1369
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,280
covered by Orem and Lindon? Would they

1370
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,640
also have to approve?

1371
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,840
>> Yeah. Well, so, our agreement with Orem

1372
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,880
is that

1373
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,000
our operating budget is approved by

1374
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,160
Provo City Council. And then they pay

1375
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,320
it. So, we have one dispatch budget, and

1376
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,960
then they pay their portion based on the

1377
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,520
50%

1378
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,240
population, 50% call volume.

1379
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:58,480
>> So, if we approved two more employees,

1380
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,080
>> they would essentially be paying half of

1381
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:01,720
it.

1382
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:03,720
>> So, do we have the pricing of that?

1383
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:05,440
>> Um

1384
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,280
on my sheet that I submitted, I did. I

1385
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,160
think that it was roughly 186,000

1386
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,000
for the two positions.

1387
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,320
Um

1388
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,000
I can try and find my email and get it

1389
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:17,160
to you.

1390
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,960
>> be looking to um

1391
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,520
just add that to your budget? Or Okay.

1392
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:29,630
>> Yeah.

1393
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,680
» I don't remember seeing that.

1394
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:31,520
>> It was I don't think

1395
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,840
>> Yeah, it wasn't in the packet.

1396
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,120
>> On these?

1397
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:41,830
We are supposed to have

1398
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,280
» Oh, Councilwoman Lock.

1399
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,520
>> Thank you. Uh, I have a question.

1400
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:45,960
>> Yes.

1401
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,120
>> Just

1402
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,000
what does Linden contribute?

1403
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,680
I'm just confused it says we we provide

1404
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:53,800
service to Provo, Orem, and Linden on

1405
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:54,040
this line.

1406
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,680
>> Yes, so when we consolidated, Orem and

1407
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,160
Linden were a combined dispatch center.

1408
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,400
Um, Orem was

1409
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,800
struggling with some of their staffing

1410
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,200
levels and things like that and they

1411
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,600
just felt like

1412
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,040
ultimately it would be a better service

1413
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,360
to all of our communities because we do

1414
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,080
work so closely and because shared

1415
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,240
resources cross the borders frequently

1416
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,160
and we respond on calls together to help

1417
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,200
each other out. Um, that it would be

1418
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,640
beneficial for both of our cities to

1419
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,000
join together um, and because Linden was

1420
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,960
already working with Orem in their

1421
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,160
dispatch,

1422
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,840
they just kept that agreement in place.

1423
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,200
I don't know what Orem charges Linden.

1424
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,320
Um,

1425
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,520
>> So, Linden contributes via Orem's

1426
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,240
contribution.

1427
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,480
>> Mhm, yeah. Oh, Linden's statistics of

1428
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,640
call volume and population are included

1429
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,920
in Orem's contribution.

1430
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,640
>> But they play

1431
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,320
the Orem percentage again is higher than

1432
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,120
Provo percentage.

1433
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,720
>> Yeah, mhm.

1434
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:58,040
>> They were like 30% and we were like 47%

1435
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,320
something like that.

1436
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,680
So, I'm going to assume that Linden's

1437
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,880
portion brings it up that percentage.

1438
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,760
>> Yeah, population-wise Provo does have

1439
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,840
the higher population, but with the

1440
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,840
population figures we included Linden

1441
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,800
and actually Vineyard because Orem fire

1442
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,120
covers Vineyard for fire response, but

1443
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,440
they don't do police response. So, I I

1444
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,280
believe those numbers were included in

1445
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,160
Orem's contribution.

1446
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,800
>> What are the What are the main KPIs that

1447
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,600
we track and how are we performing on

1448
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,200
them?

1449
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,520
>> Yeah, so that's actually um,

1450
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,280
we there's an organization called the

1451
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,280
Utah Communications Authority that um,

1452
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,600
has report cards that dispatch centers

1453
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,880
need to meet every year

1454
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,640
and it tracks um we need to have

1455
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,240
quality assurance programs to make sure

1456
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:46,280
that we're reviewing the calls

1457
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,040
correctly. They we need to have mental

1458
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,880
health services. We need to have a

1459
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,400
certain number of call takers answering

1460
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,760
phones 24/7.

1461
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,840
Um

1462
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,520
it specifically for

1463
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,160
fire related things, there's not really

1464
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,320
any

1465
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,680
national set standards or guidelines

1466
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,080
that I can find that say at this point

1467
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,800
you need to have this. It's really based

1468
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:11,920
on

1469
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,120
each agency and how they are able to

1470
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,240
perform and feel like they're getting

1471
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:21,510
the service that they need.

1472
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,880
» Thank you.

1473
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,720
>> All right. Any more questions?

1474
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:27,240
>> I guess you could just email us the

1475
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:28,000
pricing.

1476
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,240
>> Yes, absolutely.

1477
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:30,360
>> Okay.

1478
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,870
Thank you so much.

1479
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,760
All right. Um

1480
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,120
next is the

1481
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,560
Mayor's office by Scott Henderson. Our

1482
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:50,150
chief administrative officer.

1483
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,880
» Thanks for this opportunity to discuss

1484
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:59,710
this upcoming budget year.

1485
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:02,480
The components we'll talk about today um

1486
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,000
which are really the major components of

1487
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,840
the budget are staff

1488
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,520
our intergovernmental relationships and

1489
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,360
the costs for membership to some of

1490
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:11,560
those

1491
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,560
um citywide initiatives and as we work

1492
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,160
with a new administration that starts in January on the accomplishments

1493
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,910
that we are going through.

1494
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,960
This is the same staff um as we'd had in

1495
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,920
last year. So

1496
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,960
um as you know in the past we have

1497
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,320
reduced the mayor's office.

1498
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,800
We have uh

1499
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,520
reduced an assistant CAO.

1500
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,080
Um, we have eliminated some part-time

1501
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,320
staff.

1502
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,800
Also eliminated marketing and social

1503
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,000
media staff and reassigned those duties.

1504
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,280
So, mayor's office, I feel like is

1505
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,720
really

1506
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,800
led the way along with when we were

1507
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,960
asking about lean and efficient

1508
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,600
operations. A change for this year um is

1509
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,840
we have converted one office assistant

1510
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,360
where we had two in the front office,

1511
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,680
one to an analyst position, which really

1512
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,120
does match the the great work that that

1513
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,480
staff member is doing and we're able to

1514
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,960
do that on a revenue revenue neutral

1515
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,800
basis. So, we're able to

1516
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:20,880
um

1517
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,560
move some positions around amongst

1518
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,520
existing staff, take advantage of the

1519
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,000
skills and the needs of the department.

1520
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,880
Um, this also does include media

1521
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,480
services, which is under our brand new

1522
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,640
communications director,

1523
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,670
Barb Smith.

1524
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,680
Feel like this is um

1525
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,080
evident that we look

1526
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,200
and or effective and efficient ways to

1527
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,040
use our staff.

1528
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,200
Um, we are constant as part of the

1529
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,000
budget process and pulling the citywide

1530
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,800
budget together, we are cognizant of the

1531
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,800
responding to status quo and leading out

1532
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,520
and being leaders in the mayor's office.

1533
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,160
Um, we are always looking and we've gone

1534
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,560
to line item detail now, looking at

1535
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,560
efficient simplification of the mayor's

1536
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:07,880
budget.

1537
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,240
And I I think

1538
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,560
we're a pretty good example in the

1539
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,840
overall city of just doing better with

1540
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,590
less.

1541
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,560
In some of those intergovernmental

1542
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,680
relationships, these are the fees for

1543
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,240
our membership as part of League of

1544
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,400
Cities and Towns, Mountain Land

1545
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,440
Association of Governments,

1546
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,520
Utah Valley Chamber of Commerce, and

1547
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,160
District Court Graffiti Program are some

1548
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,400
examples of the thing we pay out of an

1549
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,240
intergovernmental.

1550
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:39,040
And right now, we do not know those fees

1551
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,800
right now, so we're looking at ways that

1552
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,040
we could if there are fee increases that

1553
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,360
we could absorb those and or look for

1554
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,360
other opportunities to even if we needed

1555
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,880
more money to do that. Thank you.

1556
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:51,720
>> Councilor Bogden.

1557
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,600
>> MAG fees are also a part of the CIP.

1558
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:56,840
So, what's the difference between this

1559
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,880
one and the MAG fees in the CIP?

1560
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:01,840
>> Well, I think MAG is probably listed as

1561
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,920
a funding source in the CIP, where this

1562
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,600
is actually our organizational

1563
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,960
membership.

1564
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,640
>> I think the question is what it was. I

1565
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:11,680
thought it was something.

1566
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,720
>> Maybe let's take a look together at CIP.

1567
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,800
I can't imagine that would be nice if

1568
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,920
someone paid that bill out of the CIP,

1569
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,760
but I haven't had that pleasant

1570
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,440
surprise.

1571
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:22,400
I think one thing with these

1572
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,320
intergovernmental relationships that

1573
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,960
maybe this is me editorializing. I wish

1574
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,960
they would hold to the same budget and

1575
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,040
status quo standards of the cities that

1576
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,760
they represent. Sometimes those fees

1577
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,800
have a tendency to go up when the cities

1578
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,400
that they serve and represent seem to be

1579
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,000
holding to status quo quite a bit.

1580
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,470
That's just me editorializing.

1581
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,400
Early accomplishments in this area, I

1582
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,400
think what we would really focus on is

1583
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,520
our community outreach and some changes

1584
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,760
that we're making there.

1585
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,320
We've adjusted and refined the Provo Way

1586
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,800
to create a more experience-based

1587
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,360
element. We started with We just did

1588
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,840
council last week, so we started with

1589
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:09,800
our

1590
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,400
administration, and then we worked

1591
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,680
through the departments, so they get an

1592
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,960
education on the city, where I thought

1593
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,680
some of the other ones that didn't have

1594
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,040
a probably the flow and the learning

1595
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,920
flow that you want from that. And so,

1596
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,040
Provo Way continues to be a very popular

1597
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,800
program, and we have a great group this

1598
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,400
year. So, our

1599
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,960
graduating class for spring of 2016 is

1600
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,720
just going to be great.

1601
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,240
Uh women's day is coming up this

1602
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,720
weekend.

1603
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,760
Uh we have incorporated office hours. Um

1604
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,280
I

1605
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,320
compare it very much to like a professor

1606
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,760
in office hours. Our our professor and

1607
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,240
our mayor meets with um takes office

1608
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,120
hours every Thursday.

1609
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,800
And be able to sit down with citizens,

1610
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,800
and they're able to sign up for that.

1611
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,440
And really working on continued and more

1612
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,280
consistent contact with our citizens to

1613
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,640
keep them engaged through all these

1614
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,960
different elements, including Mondays

1615
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,320
with Marsha.

1616
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,440
>> Scott, are those office hours full? Um

1617
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,800
what's the demand for those kinds of

1618
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,680
meetings? Is it regular demand?

1619
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,560
>> to be full. I got to imagine.

1620
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:17,440
>> Okay.

1621
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,520
Right.

1622
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:20,760
Okay.

1623
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,000
>> And we try to work in

1624
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,920
>> something extra. Yeah.

1625
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,400
>> It In a lot of ways, I would assume it

1626
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,360
helps take also some pressure off of

1627
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,880
these constant needs throughout the day.

1628
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,760
You are This is a set time to be able to

1629
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,720
come in. It has some time restrictions,

1630
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,240
and you're able to have good productive

1631
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,160
conversations, but do so in a very

1632
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,520
efficient manner, you know, instead of

1633
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,520
maybe having extended conversations,

1634
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,320
which could disrupt the workflow or

1635
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,200
maybe harder to schedule. So, these are

1636
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,830
much more consistent.

1637
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,760
So, answering the council's questions as

1638
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,800
part of the memo,

1639
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:58,440
um

1640
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,840
we do not have any unfunded needs. We

1641
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,440
are not asking um at for any

1642
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,800
supplemental or appropriate additional

1643
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,040
appropriations for 2027 right now.

1644
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,880
And we just don't have any fees and

1645
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,840
charges, so we're not making any major

1646
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,200
changes to those areas.

1647
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,160
>> What was the budget last year?

1648
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,880
>> The budget was right about 2.1 million.

1649
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,280
Three quarters of that is staffing

1650
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,600
including the office staffing and

1651
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,840
uh media services. Approximately 500,000

1652
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,480
are the line items within there for

1653
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:35,920
those memberships. Probably

1654
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,160
approximately a quarter million of that

1655
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,760
is those memberships with

1656
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,160
intergovernmental organizations. So,

1657
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,320
that's the that's the numbers that came

1658
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,040
from last year.

1659
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,630
>> Okay. Any questions for Scott?

1660
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:50,160
All right.

1661
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,040
>> All right. Thank you.

1662
01:03:51,040 --> 01:04:01,710
>> Thank you, Scott.

1663
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:02,960
You go.

1664
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,600
We'll take a break. We're running ahead.

1665
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,240
Yeah, let's see how you do. Yeah.

1666
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,280
But, it's not listed till like 1:20, so.

1667
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:14,480
All right. We'll take a break.

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01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,870
>> Recording stopped.

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01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,040
» Presentation regarding 2027 capital

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01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,600
improvement report.

1671
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,040
>> And this will be presented by Andrea

1672
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,400
Wright, our budget analyst.

1673
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:29,760
This is a long one, guys. This is 60

1674
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:34,510
minutes. This is a big one.

1675
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,120
» Good afternoon. I'm just kind of here to

1676
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,880
start the introduction and go over the

1677
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,200
format if we have any questions. And

1678
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,120
then I have all the amazing departments

1679
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,080
that are involved with CIP to go ahead

1680
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:54,670
and answer questions for us.

1681
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,080
So, here's the table of contents. It's

1682
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:57,680
broken into two separate areas, the

1683
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,320
funded projects

1684
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,320
and then the partially funded and

1685
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,360
unfunded projects.

1686
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,800
And then we have the departments stand

1687
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:05,800
up,

1688
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:06,960
we're going to just kind of go in the

1689
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,480
order of airport, energy, and then have

1690
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,360
engineering come down by public works,

1691
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,200
and then go library, parks, and then

1692
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,760
back to public works. Wait for her to

1693
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,510
get back.

1694
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:19,680
Um I know that you guys have had the

1695
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,240
book for 2 weeks. Is there any questions

1696
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,160
on the formatting of it? Do we need to

1697
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,440
go in more detail of it? This is just

1698
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,160
the example of a summary page with all

1699
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:34,470
of the different projects combined.

1700
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,280
And then here is what the top part of a

1701
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,520
detail page looks like, kind of giving

1702
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:43,190
them information of what the project is.

1703
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:44,640
And then you also have the funding

1704
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,360
sources broke up on top and the type of

1705
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,550
expenses that are involved with it.

1706
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,360
Um if you guys are good to move along

1707
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,880
with the formatting, we'll start with

1708
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,480
airport. If there's any questions on the

1709
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,360
airport CIPs,

1710
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,200
I can invite Brian up.

1711
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:07,910
Do we have questions for airport?

1712
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,480
Having, could you pull up the airport

1713
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:10,160
funding page?

1714
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,960
>> Quick uh any page number and any title

1715
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,760
of the document that is

1716
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,270
>> Airport page four.

1717
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,800
» Are we just doing questions?

1718
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,760
>> Do we want to go down into detail? We

1719
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:24,760
figured you guys already had the

1720
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,680
information. We didn't need to go

1721
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,200
through each project. You could just go

1722
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,000
through the questions that you have.

1723
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,800
>> I have actually It's not really a

1724
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,080
question. It's more of a statement for

1725
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,680
the public. This is pretty new,

1726
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,840
and we just barely

1727
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,840
>> Okay, can you turn the volume

1728
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,040
>> This is pretty new, and we just barely

1729
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,600
authorized

1730
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,240
bond issuances.

1731
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,960
So, can you go ahead and explain the

1732
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,400
projects

1733
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,680
why the projects down in the unfunded

1734
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,920
portion are not here?

1735
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,400
>> I can explain that if you want.

1736
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,550
>> Go for it.

1737
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,920
» So, a lot of the projects with the

1738
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,800
airport are associated and attached to

1739
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,200
grants and FAA funding. Until we

1740
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,360
actually have that approved signed grant

1741
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,120
in the hand, we don't want to put it on

1742
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,160
the funded list, especially since we

1743
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:13,760
have budget authority in the budget

1744
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,680
ordinance to add that expense budget

1745
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,200
later on.

1746
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,520
>> Okay, and I think that's great for the

1747
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,280
public to know. Can you flash down to

1748
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,960
the partially and unfunded projects so

1749
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,680
that the public can

1750
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:27,640
>> 126

1751
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,160
>> visualize what is coming and then maybe

1752
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:31,920
Brian can give us

1753
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,160
when you anticipate these projects to

1754
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,560
move up into the funded category.

1755
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,160
>> Uh good question. So, as Oh, that's

1756
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:43,630
loud. So, as Andrea mentioned,

1757
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,320
and and Councilwoman Bogan, as you

1758
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,200
mentioned, we've had a lot of

1759
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,720
discussions about funding at the

1760
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,200
airport.

1761
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,880
And all of this

1762
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,320
all of these projects that you see here

1763
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,720
have been part of those conversations,

1764
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,640
but to Andrea's point,

1765
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,080
we don't show them as funded until we've

1766
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,680
actually received those those funds.

1767
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,200
Um so, just going down the list, number

1768
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,320
one, preventative runway pavement

1769
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,280
maintenance, that's an FAA grant that

1770
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,280
will be issued

1771
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:12,800
shortly, as soon as we have bid

1772
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,360
information, that's typically how that

1773
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:15,320
goes.

1774
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,759
Um we get the grant um once we have

1775
01:08:18,759 --> 01:08:22,880
the project bid out and we know those costs.

1776
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,920
Um same with the rehabilitate 1331

1777
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,240
runway lighting, that's also an FAA

1778
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,040
grant. Um these projects are anticipated

1779
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,440
to begin um and actually be bid out here

1780
01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:35,960
in the next month.

1781
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:41,040
Um and so, those grants are forthcoming soon, um

1782
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,560
likely before the beginning of the

1783
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,279
fiscal year.

1784
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:46,910
Um

1785
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,759
Please do the airport terminal

1786
01:08:48,759 --> 01:08:51,560
expansion, that one's ongoing, under

1787
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,560
construction, so

1788
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,839
um that one has portions of FAA funding

1789
01:08:56,839 --> 01:08:57,960
that's

1790
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,640
actually we we received the FAA grant

1791
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,960
portion of that, we've the county's

1792
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,720
portion of that.

1793
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,520
Um Save Utah, so that was probably

1794
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,359
partially funded, but actually

1795
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:12,759
funded. So, I don't know again how It

1796
01:09:12,759 --> 01:09:14,680
gets really tricky. Um this is one of

1797
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,240
those things we wrestled with back and

1798
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,160
forth when we met with the

1799
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,440
administration on how do we show these

1800
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:21,120
projects at the airport because there's

1801
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,480
so many different funding sources.

1802
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:25,720
And but the bottom line is if if the

1803
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,480
money hasn't been received, we don't go

1804
01:09:27,480 --> 01:09:30,640
out to the contract with it. So, Um so,

1805
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,080
some of these are actually partially

1806
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,720
funded and under under construction.

1807
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,080
Phase three and four design, um we're in

1808
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,440
progress on that one as well.

1809
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:40,799
Um and that one was funded through

1810
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:42,120
county

1811
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,440
um

1812
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:46,160
tourism tax dollars.

1813
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:47,960
The sorry, I don't know how to say it.

1814
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,440
Terminal expansion phase three,

1815
01:09:50,440 --> 01:09:52,680
we're in the final phases of design on

1816
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,800
that one. Um

1817
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,920
And once we are actually out to bid on

1818
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,320
that one. So,

1819
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,200
we'll do this April 18th. We'll get

1820
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,880
uh subcontractor bids through our

1821
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,800
general contractor Layton Construction

1822
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,520
for phase three construction.

1823
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,520
And then that one was funded by

1824
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,160
um the $20 million bond that the voters

1825
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:15,960
just approved

1826
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,400
um in last month or so.

1827
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,840
And then snow removal equipment

1828
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,880
building, that one's under construction

1829
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,680
partially funded by the FAA grant

1830
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,800
uh by FAA grants as well as a neither

1831
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,400
fund loan from the energy department.

1832
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,560
Um

1833
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,800
that we've all talked about on that one.

1834
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,240
Heavy equipment, that's a

1835
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:38,960
that's an aspirational project that

1836
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,160
we've submitted an application for grant

1837
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,600
funding from the FAA on that one.

1838
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,400
Um haven't heard back on an award, so

1839
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:46,960
that one may or may not be funded at

1840
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,680
all.

1841
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,800
Um reconstruct and expand north apron,

1842
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,440
so these are now future projects.

1843
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:54,640
Um

1844
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:55,840
that we'll probably be able to get

1845
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,680
>> the other ones could happen in this

1846
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,480
budget year, so to speak, possibly.

1847
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:02,360
>> Yeah, so so all of them on this list

1848
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,360
could presumably happen if the grants

1849
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,440
are awarded. Some we know we're getting

1850
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:08,960
the grants already. Some we've applied

1851
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,880
for grants and they may or may not be

1852
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,360
awarded to us.

1853
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,720
>> So the only one we have

1854
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,320
a maybe on is the tower equipment.

1855
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,920
>> And the reconstruct of span North Gate

1856
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:21,800
Road.

1857
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:22,960
>> The rest of them are

1858
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,320
guaranteed the grants. It's just

1859
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,880
them putting it in the

1860
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,640
>> Correct. So we've we've shown the

1861
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,880
amounts that have been dedicated and set

1862
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,360
aside for the county, the state, the FAA, and

1863
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,480
Pearl City with the bond. So

1864
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:41,360
those are all amounts that we need that

1865
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,800
are in process

1866
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,400
and just waiting on the remainder of the

1867
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,440
grants to show up fully funded.

1868
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,880
>> Okay, awesome. Any other questions on

1869
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,760
airport Counselor Whitlock?

1870
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,080
>> Thank you. I was just curious. So

1871
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,480
there's the $3 million airport facility

1872
01:11:57,480 --> 01:11:59,480
improvement line item in funding.

1873
01:11:59,480 --> 01:11:59,840
>> Yeah.

1874
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:00,760
>> Um

1875
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,160
would you just share a little bit more

1876
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:03,920
specifically what projects that will

1877
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:04,520
fund?

1878
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,360
>> Yeah, so

1879
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,320
at the airport historically, well, not

1880
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,360
historically, as we receive grants from

1881
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,640
the FAA, there's a local share, a local

1882
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,120
match that's required.

1883
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,920
We'll just call it 10%. Let's just say

1884
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,400
10%.

1885
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,560
In the past, the FAA has allowed us to

1886
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,320
use land purchase

1887
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,520
um to go towards that match.

1888
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,040
Um and they're allowing us to do that on

1889
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,760
certain kinds of grants. They're called

1890
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,760
entitlement grants. But we also have

1891
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,440
um what are called discretionary grants,

1892
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,880
which are competitive. Um and so the FAA

1893
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,400
is not going to let us use that land

1894
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,440
match for more of the competitive

1895
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:45,760
grants.

1896
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,640
And so we have a large potentially a

1897
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,120
large local match requirement that will

1898
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:52,760
be coming up on some of these larger

1899
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,600
projects. Right now, we've got a lot of

1900
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,080
local funds going to the terminal

1901
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,240
projects, so we don't have to worry

1902
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,360
about that. But, as we move away from

1903
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,560
the terminal project, and we're doing,

1904
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,440
say, a runway rehab or something like

1905
01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:07,520
that, and we get a grant from the FAA,

1906
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,360
there will be a 10% match from the from

1907
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,560
the city, essentially.

1908
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,480
And so, as we've budgeted, um this

1909
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:16,960
council

1910
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,120
Mr. Bullock, you may not remember this,

1911
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:20,960
but this is already those who've been on

1912
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,960
council for the last few years.

1913
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,000
The airport has been lucky the last few

1914
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,520
years to have a revenue surplus.

1915
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,280
And every year, if we want to use that,

1916
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,680
we we come back to council and

1917
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,600
appropriate it. That $3 million line

1918
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,760
item in budget is kind of last dollars

1919
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,400
in. So, as our revenues come in, and if

1920
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,800
they're above budget revenue, it will

1921
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,640
slide into the CIP, and basically build

1922
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,360
up over time, so that we can pay those

1923
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,600
local match. Or, if it's something we

1924
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:47,840
want to do a pavement maintenance

1925
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:53,960
project on the airfield, um it's just utilizing our our revenue

1926
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:55,720
without having to come back to council

1927
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,120
and appropriate it every single time

1928
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,640
when we get that that excess surplus

1929
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:01,400
revenue.

1930
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,600
>> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1931
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,880
>> Councilor Bolton.

1932
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,400
So, how I understand this is this is

1933
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,520
like a bank account, where the funding

1934
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,040
sources are your

1935
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,640
debits or your income,

1936
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,960
and the project costs are your expenses.

1937
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,280
So, when it says taxes, I'm hearing that

1938
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,920
it is the tax specific to this

1939
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,120
department. What tax is specific to your

1940
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,720
department?

1941
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,960
>> Sorry, where are you seeing taxes?

1942
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,360
>> Where it says unfunded or partially

1943
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,280
funded projects funding sources, grants,

1944
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,680
taxes, transfers.

1945
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:35,920
There's a

1946
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:36,800
Well, there's nothing there.

1947
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,880
>> Yeah, so there are no taxes going to

1948
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,640
sources. So, you'll see

1949
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,480
>> Okay. So, that's a

1950
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:44,360
the taxes is an error in the

1951
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,680
>> No, no, it's just a formatting error.

1952
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,120
All the departments.

1953
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,120
>> So, another way to put

1954
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:51,440
>> departments you would like me to see

1955
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:54,040
something in that line item? Just we're

1956
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,560
not funded by any taxes at the airport,

1957
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:57,200
so

1958
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,120
>> We try to keep the same format for all

1959
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,000
the departments just to make it easier

1960
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,040
to look at.

1961
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,360
>> It's consistency.

1962
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:05,920
>> That's why there's no taxes.

1963
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,790
>> though, too, because there's no

1964
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,480
If they're not funded by taxes, that

1965
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:13,480
makes me think they are.

1966
01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:15,320
So you're saying in the funded portion

1967
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:20,560
in that other page up higher, there's money for grants and

1968
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,040
different things in that.

1969
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:23,040
>> Can you repeat that?

1970
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,520
>> We're funding projects. There's a $3

1971
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,680
million area over basically

1972
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,600
>> So whatever funding source applies for

1973
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,480
that specific CIP fund, it'll be listed

1974
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:34,840
there. Those are just the top funding

1975
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,390
sources for CIPs.

1976
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,040
» So we have, again, over the last few

1977
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,000
years we've had a revenue surplus, and

1978
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,840
so essentially we're taking that surplus

1979
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,720
and building it into our CIP with that

1980
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,560
$3 million.

1981
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,320
Um but as we move forward, as I

1982
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,480
mentioned earlier, that's also a kind of

1983
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:53,920
last revenue in once we surpass our

1984
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,880
budget revenues, then it would go into

1985
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:56,800
that same

1986
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,440
>> So could we buy purchase land with that

1987
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:01,480
carryover?

1988
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:04,720
>> Eventually, if that was that was the

1989
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,280
priority that we decided to use that

1990
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,480
amount of.

1991
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:09,600
>> Thank you.

1992
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:10,880
>> Should we move on to energy?

1993
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,160
>> Yep.

1994
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,320
>> Perfect. Do we have Todd or Carly that

1995
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:16,880
wants to or do we have questions for

1996
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,310
energy on their CIP?

1997
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:22,600
» I just want to

1998
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:22,880
>> Yeah.

1999
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,920
>> make another point out.

2000
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,120
Um

2001
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,120
so being on the energy board

2002
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,160
there's a lot of Can we pull up the

2003
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,880
energy CIP?

2004
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:32,720
>> Seven?

2005
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,320
>> You guys have been saving for years to

2006
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,720
do all of these projects now.

2007
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,400
So can you just

2008
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:40,920
>> We save for some of them.

2009
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,800
We save for the large ones because you

2010
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,000
can't fund them in any given

2011
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,080
budget year. So, we put money aside.

2012
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,160
It's there for when we do need it. So,

2013
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,040
for example, you look at

2014
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,160
large budget item there is transmission

2015
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,680
90301.

2016
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,640
Substation construction transmission.

2017
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,360
And underneath it distribution. So,

2018
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,680
right, those have been large projects

2019
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,120
that we've set money aside. And we're

2020
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,520
going to It's winding down. So,

2021
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,160
you know, at 3 and 5 million in the in

2022
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,560
the coming year to finish finish those

2023
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,240
projects off. And and then we you know,

2024
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:19,600
we start building again depending on

2025
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,560
what the the budget that we've

2026
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,840
identified for the next 5 years. But,

2027
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,640
they are the 5-year budget. So, we know

2028
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,160
what we plan on spending and what we're

2029
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,920
going to be working on for construction.

2030
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,480
>> I appreciate that because we noticed

2031
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:33,880
that it's about double this year than

2032
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,400
what it will be next year than

2033
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:35,800
>> Yes.

2034
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,760
>> it faces down just because you have so

2035
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,800
many projects that were

2036
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,120
you guys were anticipating to complete.

2037
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,960
>> Yeah, so so the last the last two

2038
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,680
substation projects you're familiar

2039
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,600
with, it's it's a very large project and

2040
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,600
we're going to be finishing that up next

2041
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,160
year and we're also going to be changing

2042
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,040
the Draper substation.

2043
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,760
And then both drop off and so our budget

2044
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,200
will will drop back down and then it

2045
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,400
will build back up as we get closer to

2046
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,160
other large projects. But, we don't

2047
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,280
generally cram them all together for

2048
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:06,680
budget. That's

2049
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,830
>> Okay.

2050
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:10,840
Do you have any more questions for

2051
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,280
energy?

2052
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:14,600
You don't have any changes from last

2053
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,040
year, so

2054
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,800
>> No, not not really. We're spending less

2055
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,080
than last year, but uh for the most part

2056
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:22,440
our projects are remaining the same

2057
01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:24,280
except that the budget is less.

2058
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:25,480
>> Thank you. Thank you.

2059
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:27,400
>> Thank you, guys.

2060
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:28,800
Carla, if you want to come up for

2061
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:33,230
library. Do you have any questions?

2062
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:37,040
If you can go to page 30.

2063
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:37,480
>> 30?

2064
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:45,150
>> 38.

2065
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,000
So here's just an overview of how this

2066
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,000
funded. Do we have any questions on

2067
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,400
the CIP

2068
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,630
for the library?

2069
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,040
We're good. No questions on that?

2070
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:59,600
>> I'm really excited about the elevators.

2071
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,040
So what I'm excited about the elevators.

2072
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,000
I mean

2073
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,080
not happy they need to be replaced.

2074
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,720
>> Why do they need to be replaced?

2075
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,520
>> Because they're 25 years old.

2076
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,200
>> It's just going to be a books fire.

2077
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,480
>> Yeah, they are not making all the parts

2078
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:16,960
anymore so they're getting harder to

2079
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:20,080
repair and they do have a lifespan of 25

2080
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,160
to 30 years and we're right at 25. We

2081
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,080
can't obviously afford to replace all of

2082
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,800
them in one year so we're going to Right

2083
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,240
now we have one that's

2084
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,040
people are actively getting stuck in on

2085
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,680
a weekly basis so we're getting that one

2086
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,080
fixed first.

2087
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,720
And then there's one that we rely on the

2088
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,840
most which is the one in the academic

2089
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,360
building that goes to the attic and the

2090
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,640
ballroom. We don't have another elevator

2091
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,480
access to those points and so if that

2092
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:45,520
elevator goes down we're in

2093
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:46,880
trouble so that's the second one we want

2094
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,920
to replace so we have to

2095
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,200
schedule that out at least a year in

2096
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,000
advance because we have to shut down all

2097
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,200
the They say it will take 4 to 6 weeks

2098
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,200
to replace the elevator. We'd have to

2099
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:58,680
stop renting

2100
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,480
the ballroom and attic spaces out for

2101
01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:04,760
that month and a half um while they

2102
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,600
make that. Okay. So we're scheduling out

2103
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,040
for those

2104
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:10,400
and want to get ahead of them. The other

2105
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,960
ones we can kind of live without

2106
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,120
and so we're pushing them out because

2107
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:15,120
we're having trouble with them right

2108
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:16,120
now.

2109
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:16,880
>> Cool. Thank you.

2110
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,880
>> We're just We're just replacing the one

2111
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,200
elevator three, correct?

2112
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:21,200
>> Yep. Yes, sir.

2113
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,720
>> And then the remainders are on the

2114
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,320
unfunded future CIP?

2115
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,120
Is there any risk that like we're doing

2116
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,320
room mate like emergency repairs or

2117
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:31,920
replacements at a premium cost instead

2118
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,480
of just planning it now.

2119
01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:34,960
>> Um

2120
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,040
yes, there is that that um which is kind

2121
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,640
of why we're putting we just we're

2122
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,160
having trouble with them right now.

2123
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:42,840
They're just telling us that they're not

2124
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,840
able to repair them

2125
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,120
in the future. And so we're looking at

2126
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,880
that and trying to it's hard to jump on

2127
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,600
repairing elevators that aren't having

2128
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:54,240
issues at all.

2129
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:55,600
>> They're not maintenance service requests

2130
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:56,120
and stuff.

2131
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,480
>> No, not on the three that are a few

2132
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:01,480
years out. Um we did some repair work in

2133
01:21:01,480 --> 01:21:03,160
2019

2134
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,400
on our number one elevator, which is the

2135
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:06,560
one that goes to the attic and the

2136
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,560
ballroom. And

2137
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:10,560
it's

2138
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,720
just like wood next to me as I knock on

2139
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,560
it. It's it's doing okay at the moment.

2140
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,040
And so and again that one we just have

2141
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:19,480
to schedule it out a year in advance or

2142
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:22,360
else we would be in trouble with people

2143
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:23,600
needing to get to the attic to the

2144
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,360
events that they rented the space for.

2145
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,120
So we're trying to be proactive on that

2146
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,720
one and just actively replacing the one

2147
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,920
that's people are it's they're not

2148
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,200
getting stuck in it for longer than a

2149
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,240
couple minutes. Like it's resetting well

2150
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:36,440
and you have people looking at it

2151
01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:38,360
constantly trying to keep it nice, but

2152
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:39,760
it's the one that needs to be replaced.

2153
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,080
So we're trying to be proactive but also

2154
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,320
trying to spread the cost out because we

2155
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,760
did we don't have $750,000

2156
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,920
to replace all of them at the same time.

2157
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,960
>> I have one more question on this. Um the

2158
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,440
boiler replacement, I think that's great

2159
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,840
we're saving money. Um

2160
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,080
just looking though it's like I think

2161
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,800
it's all it's 275K or something like

2162
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,400
that and it saving 25 to 50% on 60K a

2163
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:03,880
year, which is like a 9 to 18 year

2164
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:05,640
payback period, which is

2165
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:06,440
you know,

2166
01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:07,480
I'm just wondering are is there any

2167
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:09,000
other benefits besides just that cost

2168
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:09,680
saving?

2169
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,480
>> Yeah, it's another 25 years old and they

2170
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:14,280
are doing a lot of maintenance on it

2171
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:15,800
that we would like to stop. They think

2172
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,400
they can keep it going for a couple more

2173
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:18,640
years, but

2174
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:19,880
the boiler is the kind of thing that

2175
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,160
when it goes down in the middle of the

2176
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:22,760
winter

2177
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:23,920
you're in trouble.

2178
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:24,400
>> Makes sense.

2179
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,160
>> So we want to be a a bit proactive and

2180
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:27,480
could of push that a couple years, I

2181
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:28,840
think they might be able to last kind of

2182
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,120
more years, but this has been on our

2183
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,960
radar for a long time, and I feel like

2184
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,720
you should start saving money now, even

2185
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:35,960
if it's not

2186
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:37,640
a quick payback.

2187
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:38,600
>> That makes sense.

2188
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,960
>> Thank you.

2189
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:42,160
>> Perfect.

2190
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,080
Thank you.

2191
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:44,960
All right, any other questions for

2192
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,600
library?

2193
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,400
All right, go ahead. Do we want to move

2194
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,200
to parks and rec, and Peter I see you

2195
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:51,880
guys are also under them. Do you guys

2196
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,000
want to come up here, or

2197
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,520
on that microphone?

2198
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:06,430
Whatever's best.

2199
01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:10,270
» 42.

2200
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,400
» Okay, any questions

2201
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:13,760
for parks and recreation? I also have

2202
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,320
our two project managers here that can

2203
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,590
answer any questions we have.

2204
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:19,800
» Um I have a question.

2205
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:20,680
>> Sure.

2206
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:24,680
>> On the park restrooms, it

2207
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:28,200
what restrooms are we looking at?

2208
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:33,750
>> Arjun.

2209
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,560
» In fiscal year '27,

2210
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,280
in an unfunded or partially funded

2211
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:39,960
project, we replace the restroom at

2212
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:41,480
Boardman Lake Park.

2213
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:42,000
>> They need it.

2214
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,400
>> the budget.

2215
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,240
And then in fiscal year '27-'28,

2216
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,240
instead of a replacement, we are looking

2217
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,200
at two new restrooms, one at Memorial

2218
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,200
Park, and one at Lakewood Park.

2219
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:55,600
>> Yes.

2220
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:56,000
Okay.

2221
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,040
>> And then

2222
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,440
future year 2030 is to be determined,

2223
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:01,960
but kind of have some

2224
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,960
elevated restrooms that need to be

2225
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:05,680
replaced that are just going through

2226
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,040
another cycle.

2227
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,590
Um yeah, that's something.

2228
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:11,960
» They would could speak to the Memorial

2229
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:13,840
Park restroom.

2230
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,880
I think last last year in the capital

2231
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,400
improvement plan, we suggested doing

2232
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,960
kind of a comprehensive review, rather

2233
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,600
than utilizing those funds to kind of go

2234
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,120
out and and

2235
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,280
identify a bunch of unfunded maybe needs

2236
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,360
that

2237
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,600
might not meet expectations over with

2238
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,400
the funding we have available. We

2239
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:33,920
thought we'd just take those funds and

2240
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,640
go directly and place a restroom at

2241
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,760
Memorial Park where one is needed.

2242
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:42,240
And so the estimate there has been fine-tuned

2243
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:43,760
by our project managers. We really

2244
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,920
didn't know the size of the restroom, so

2245
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:50,000
a larger number was assumed for the last last year's

2246
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,720
CIP, but I think they fine-tuned that

2247
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,160
number.

2248
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:54,640
>> You guys will work with the residents on

2249
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:55,480
where to put that.

2250
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:56,480
>> Yes.

2251
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:57,880
And of course at that time we'll take

2252
01:24:57,880 --> 01:24:59,480
all the feedback on master planning

2253
01:24:59,480 --> 01:25:01,080
elements for a future time when there's

2254
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,280
funding available to actually execute

2255
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:04,400
that.

2256
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:04,640
>> Okay.

2257
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:06,080
>> But uh

2258
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,200
kind of well, those meet meet

2259
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,360
expectations type of endeavors.

2260
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,040
>> So the Memorial Park site plan, that's

2261
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,080
what you just referred to.

2262
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:12,640
>> Yes.

2263
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:13,760
>> Okay.

2264
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,680
And the Fort Utah improvements?

2265
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:17,880
>> Well, we've got good news.

2266
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,440
>> Okay.

2267
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:21,240
>> John's been awarded two grants, and

2268
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,710
maybe you can pick it up.

2269
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,760
» Yeah. The state of outdoor recreation

2270
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,840
awarded a $750,000

2271
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,560
grant for

2272
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:32,320
um

2273
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,880
with matching funds to go to the named

2274
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,880
Fort Utah all-wheels park.

2275
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,080
And then more recently we applied for

2276
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,800
and received a partial award for the

2277
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,440
Land and Water Conservation Fund. Um we

2278
01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:45,880
had applied for

2279
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,320
2 million, and they had awarded 40% of

2280
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,440
that at 805,000.

2281
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:52,960
So uh

2282
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,280
they fit in the fitting category of

2283
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,440
partially funded right now to uh bring

2284
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:59,280
forward the restroom

2285
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:00,640
and playground replacements there with

2286
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:01,840
those funds.

2287
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,160
And then we are looking at strategies of

2288
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,040
how to bring the parking lot

2289
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:07,520
improvements um

2290
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,880
along with all these other improvements

2291
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:10,680
in the next year.

2292
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,840
>> Is that 40% based on matching, and so

2293
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,120
the other 60%?

2294
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,720
>> It there is a match component, but the

2295
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,400
805,000 was just decided by the

2296
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,280
selection committee.

2297
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:22,720
>> I just forgot about the other one right

2298
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:23,600
there.

2299
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,600
>> Yeah.

2300
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:25,320
>> Nice work.

2301
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,600
>> Okay, so you mentioned parking. Parking

2302
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,360
is definitely an issue there. Yes, it

2303
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,080
is. So, you're going to increase the

2304
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:33,560
parking.

2305
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:37,360
>> Yeah, so we have designs to bring the

2306
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,000
parking lot up to about 240 stalls or to

2307
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,360
allow full programming of the

2308
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:43,400
uh

2309
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,280
baseball Little League build uh

2310
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,880
facilities, as well as the all wheels

2311
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:49,640
park and the trail head that that

2312
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,440
parking lot serves for.

2313
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:55,200
Um we have potential phasing ideas where

2314
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:56,560
a third of that could be built at a

2315
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,000
later time.

2316
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,040
Um but

2317
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,480
honestly, the initial expansion is

2318
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:05,000
likely about 1.2 million dollars.

2319
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:06,960
Uh the second phase potential is about

2320
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,400
800,000 dollars.

2321
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,120
>> Oh, wow. So, you're missing 2 million.

2322
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:12,840
>> For the full expansion, yes.

2323
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:14,520
>> These are the challenges of going for

2324
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,120
grant funding and being awarded

2325
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,280
partially.

2326
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:18,680
So, it really throws a wrench in the

2327
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,080
project, overall project.

2328
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,320
>> Cuz that parking is crazy. And if you're

2329
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,040
going to make it an all wheels park plus

2330
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:26,440
these other amenities, it'll actually

2331
01:27:26,440 --> 01:27:27,880
become more desirable, which it should

2332
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:29,800
be. I hate the parking on Geneva. I

2333
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:30,880
don't think it's safe.

2334
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,390
>> Yes.

2335
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,160
Okay.

2336
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,480
All right. Um Counselor Bogdan.

2337
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:39,760
>> Um

2338
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,870
so, if we go to the unfunded projects,

2339
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:45,080
I agree with the parking.

2340
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,600
>> The parking on Geneva, we get complaints

2341
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,320
from the residents. It isn't safe. It's

2342
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,840
going to Yeah, it isn't

2343
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,240
that parking lot needs to be addressed.

2344
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:57,440
>> Um

2345
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:01,960
so, which ones are we we hoping that move up? Is it just the Harmon

2346
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,960
Field?

2347
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:05,200
>> Can you say that?

2348
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,840
>> Move from the unfunded to the funded in

2349
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,800
this fiscal year.

2350
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,840
>> Yes, those two we're hoping to move

2351
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,640
forward this this next fiscal year. The

2352
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,640
Harmon Park playground and lighting is

2353
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:18,320
for field lighting and replacements and

2354
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,360
the playground replacement there. They

2355
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,160
are we are seeking different funds to

2356
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,440
match with some RAP tax funds

2357
01:28:24,440 --> 01:28:25,880
uh to make all those improvements on

2358
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,440
that park.

2359
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:32,320
>> So the 705 is that all an ask from CDBG?

2360
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,840
>> No, it's partially from CDBG, partially

2361
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:35,840
from

2362
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,840
an outdoor recreation community grant

2363
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,160
and from RAP tax funds.

2364
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:41,720
>> And can you

2365
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,640
explain the dire need of the lighting

2366
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,480
replacement at Harmon Field?

2367
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:50,840
>> Yes. Uh the lighting at Harmon Park is

2368
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,200
about 35 years old

2369
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,360
and is due for replacement. We have the

2370
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,040
opportunity to replace those with

2371
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,320
new vision LED lights that give better

2372
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,720
control.

2373
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,240
Um they they have remote options to

2374
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:05,920
control the lighting there.

2375
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,000
Um

2376
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,720
the poles have been evaluated. The

2377
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,160
they're wood based. The standard today

2378
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,560
is uh metal aluminum pole with a

2379
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,240
concrete base.

2380
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:18,320
But over time those wood bases

2381
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,400
deteriorate. We've had them evaluated by

2382
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,840
Energy Efficiency our partners there.

2383
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,280
And they will be replaced likely before

2384
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,400
the end of this week. There's two poles

2385
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,040
that are getting replaced there uh this

2386
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,280
week.

2387
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,120
>> Thank you. And then the RAP tax funding,

2388
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,080
where do we have a breakdown of where

2389
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:36,880
that's going?

2390
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:38,000
>> For Harmon Park?

2391
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:38,720
>> For all of it.

2392
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,000
>> of it.

2393
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,840
>> I don't know if that's

2394
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:42,720
>> Okay.

2395
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,280
>> We can go to each different line items,

2396
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,000
sorry.

2397
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:46,240
>> Okay.

2398
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:47,760
>> But it's not we don't have a breakdown

2399
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:49,840
of everything that RAP tax is just in

2400
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:50,640
that line.

2401
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,320
>> Oh, I think we were sent one

2402
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,040
a few days ago where everything is

2403
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:56,160
going.

2404
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,520
Is that is that something we see in CIP,

2405
01:29:58,520 --> 01:29:59,440
Justin, or is that

2406
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:01,600
>> something that we included in CIP.

2407
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:02,280
>> So

2408
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:02,760
>> Sorry, go ahead.

2409
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:03,360
>> be a separate

2410
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,080
>> be another budget presentation.

2411
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:06,720
>> So that could be something that when

2412
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:08,760
Parks comes to us, we can ask questions

2413
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,440
about where that RAP tax is going.

2414
01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:11,800
>> Certainly.

2415
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,440
>> Cuz I'd like to have that discussion on

2416
01:30:14,440 --> 01:30:16,440
which line items there are.

2417
01:30:16,440 --> 01:30:18,520
>> Yeah. I think the draft that we've got

2418
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:19,960
out right now is a separate document

2419
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:21,920
from the CIP, so I think you have it,

2420
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,960
but uh it's probably not included in the

2421
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:25,640
capital improvement plan. Hey.

2422
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,560
>> I I will add that

2423
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,000
the individual projects you have

2424
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,880
outlined as our tax, that is the only

2425
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,360
tax you source

2426
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:33,920
that parks and rec you have, so any

2427
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,680
individual projects this RAP tax is

2428
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:36,600
coming from in there.

2429
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:37,440
>> In taxes.

2430
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:39,200
>> So, that's for the individual project

2431
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,910
that

2432
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,360
» Which is important cuz so many of our

2433
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,800
people really rely on that to improve

2434
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,040
our parks.

2435
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,360
Okay.

2436
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:49,000
Marsha.

2437
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:55,440
>> It's Doug's last day here.

2438
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:57,080
>> Last day or last week?

2439
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,280
>> We know when's your last day?

2440
01:30:58,280 --> 01:30:59,560
>> Uh next next Thursday.

2441
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,040
>> Oh, sorry. It's next Thursday. But, last

2442
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,800
time here at this meeting, so Anyway, I

2443
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,160
just wanted to recognize him for all

2444
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,960
that he's done and um anyway, just thank

2445
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:11,320
him again.

2446
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:12,680
>> Appreciate it. It's been a wonderful

2447
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:14,800
experience serving with with you all

2448
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:15,760
with Provo.

2449
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:16,680
>> You'll be missed, Doug.

2450
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,760
>> I serve it on the house, so

2451
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:19,640
Will there be an open house or

2452
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:20,120
something?

2453
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:21,960
>> Uh is it probably is there an open

2454
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:23,680
house? I I would hope so.

2455
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:24,760
>> Oh.

2456
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:25,440
>> Yeah.

2457
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:27,160
>> I'm not a channel party guy.

2458
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:28,520
>> Tell us tell us

2459
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:30,480
party yourself here.

2460
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:30,960
No.

2461
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,120
>> Yes. On our last day, I thought I'd

2462
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:34,720
celebrate with our parks and recreation

2463
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,440
board in our board meeting, but um

2464
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:39,800
Anyway, again, it's been a real pleasure

2465
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,280
and an honor to work with you all. Thank

2466
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:41,520
you.

2467
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:42,400
>> Well, thank you.

2468
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,950
>> Thanks, Marsha.

2469
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,080
» Um I have one more question about the

2470
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:48,640
Provo Utah Park.

2471
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,200
Uh so, it's gone through the process of

2472
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,200
the citizen

2473
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:54,760
committee and everything to you have it

2474
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:56,200
all outlined what you're going to do.

2475
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:57,520
>> Yeah, that was performed about a year

2476
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:58,840
and a half ago.

2477
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:00,560
And then we've been in a funding

2478
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,680
generation phase to bring those funds to

2479
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,000
permission to

2480
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,280
deliver division of the community.

2481
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,720
>> Could you send the design to us?

2482
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:09,080
>> Sure.

2483
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,680
>> Okay. Awesome. Thank you.

2484
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,120
Councilor Whitlock.

2485
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,240
>> Thank you so much. I I just have a few

2486
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:16,800
questions.

2487
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,080
So one is I see that we're planning on a

2488
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:21,440
master plan update, park master plan

2489
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:22,720
update. You want to just elaborate a

2490
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:24,640
little bit of what is triggering that

2491
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:25,600
and what that will include?

2492
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,840
>> Sure. It was decided I think a year ago

2493
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,120
that we would get together to a more

2494
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,880
consistent impact fee analysis every

2495
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,120
year, which will really enable us as new

2496
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,440
projects come on to get them in our into

2497
01:32:38,440 --> 01:32:40,480
our impact fee analysis and impact fee

2498
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:42,040
facilities plan.

2499
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,640
If projects are not listed in that plan,

2500
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:46,800
they can't be they can't be funded

2501
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:48,680
through impact fees. So I thought that

2502
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,640
was a real brilliant move to to move to

2503
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,040
a more frequent update of that. We

2504
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:54,800
thought it would be a great time to

2505
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,720
because our impact fee facilities plan

2506
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:59,440
and our and our

2507
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:02,160
the study require

2508
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,320
an updated level of service analysis.

2509
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,840
That happens in the master plan. So it

2510
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:09,880
would really sequence well if we updated

2511
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,120
the master plan and then that informs

2512
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,480
>> the impact fee study. Yeah. Yeah.

2513
01:33:15,480 --> 01:33:17,200
>> So those are both scheduled for the next

2514
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:18,640
fiscal year.

2515
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,480
And we'll be working uh

2516
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:21,840
on schedule with the other departments

2517
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,360
to make sure we're slotted in. And then

2518
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:24,800
it'll be updated every year and we'll

2519
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:25,920
stay current.

2520
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,080
>> Okay. Great. Another question I had is

2521
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,320
I think in the last year's CIP there was

2522
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:32,920
a partial allocation for Upper

2523
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,200
Bicentennial Park to start

2524
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,080
doing I think the planning work that I

2525
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,640
think is now getting pushed forward into

2526
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:40,400
next fiscal year because of the Buckley

2527
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:41,600
Draw

2528
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,560
issue. I I saw also I think in the

2529
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,680
stormwater CIP that there's 250K

2530
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:48,640
allocated towards that. I just wanted to

2531
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,240
understand if the plan is basically

2532
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,360
essentially to get the prerequisites for

2533
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,880
the Bicentennial Park done by next year

2534
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:57,400
as part of the CIP or if the process

2535
01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:58,720
will be longer.

2536
01:33:58,720 --> 01:33:59,760
I don't know if that question is kind of

2537
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:00,800
a dual question.

2538
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,880
>> Yeah, I I think the strategy was to move

2539
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,800
it one year so that we can do the public

2540
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,640
feedback process, get the neighborhood

2541
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:10,960
design committee going, design out what

2542
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,080
the park will look like in in concert

2543
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:14,800
with public works and whatever

2544
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,760
facilities will be designed there. And

2545
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:18,600
then have one year separating so we can

2546
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,920
go to work and try to identify outside

2547
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,880
funding sources to to leverage that that

2548
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,320
project and then immediately start of

2549
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,000
following that.

2550
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,640
>> Right, so the plan is for this year to

2551
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:32,240
kick off that planning process that

2552
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,000
citizen design committee

2553
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:49,230
process and just this year.

2554
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,520
» So bicycle trail park, I think it was

2555
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:53,320
earlier.

2556
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:54,440
>> It's 28.

2557
01:34:54,440 --> 01:34:55,280
>> Okay, 28.

2558
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:56,960
>> So it's a bunch of operating expenses

2559
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:58,960
that were appropriated this year and

2560
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,200
controlled going forward.

2561
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:02,880
>> And then it'll better sequence in timing

2562
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:03,960
so

2563
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:05,320
as we design it people won't be

2564
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:06,920
wondering why is my park being built, we

2565
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:08,240
just designed it.

2566
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:08,800
>> Makes sense.

2567
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:10,680
>> And then other priority doesn't come as

2568
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:11,600
maybe

2569
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,640
take precedence so.

2570
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:17,830
>> Thank you.

2571
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:18,920
» Okay.

2572
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:19,520
Thank you, Dad.

2573
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:23,430
>> Thank you.

2574
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:25,960
» All right, next we'll have public works.

2575
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:27,760
Any questions for them? I don't know if

2576
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,280
Gordon or you each individually want to

2577
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,520
come up here. And first before they do,

2578
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,520
I want to say that it's the departments

2579
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,080
that actually put all this together.

2580
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:37,480
Finance, we just put a silly book

2581
01:35:37,480 --> 01:35:38,440
together.

2582
01:35:38,440 --> 01:35:39,680
They're the ones that do the hard work

2583
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:46,030
and we really appreciate them.

2584
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,240
The roads.

2585
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,600
>> I can I can go.

2586
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:59,190
There won't be many questions, so. Woof.

2587
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:00,800
Do you want an explanation or just we're

2588
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:02,320
going to fire off questions? Most of

2589
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,880
this is similar to previous years. Just

2590
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:12,110
it relates moving through.

2591
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:13,080
» Um

2592
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:14,360
I don't have any questions on this one.

2593
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,640
I have questions more on

2594
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:18,480
um sewer.

2595
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:26,110
What's the website sewer? Oops.

2596
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:29,040
» Jeremy, take real quick. Gordon, is the

2597
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,400
Which is this?

2598
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,080
Okay, so it says the 2230 North Jupiter

2599
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:37,910
East signal. Is that the

2600
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,400
Mag Bunny at the signal lights? Is that

2601
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,080
what signal I just brought up?

2602
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:44,880
I don't know if it'll be

2603
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:45,440
easy.

2604
01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:47,960
>> Yeah, so we've

2605
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,840
This is not the one on

2606
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:52,440
um

2607
01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:54,840
Hypnogogus. This is one That's not that

2608
01:36:54,840 --> 01:37:00,350
one.

2609
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,680
This is a signal that help We have good

2610
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,640
support for this signal.

2611
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,960
>> Why was 2026 Street overlay removed?

2612
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:09,960
>> What was that again?

2613
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:13,870
>> 2026 Street overlay.

2614
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,560
» And that was uh occurring year funding.

2615
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:17,640
So every year we add

2616
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:18,840
>> saying it's done.

2617
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:22,040
>> So 2031 is that Is that added? 2026 is

2618
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:22,360
there.

2619
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:28,270
>> Right, obviously. Thank you.

2620
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,080
Do we want to go in order of how it's

2621
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:31,880
listed on the So do we want to go to

2622
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:35,510
engineering 30?

2623
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:42,240
Okay.

2624
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,080
So just to make sure we have this one

2625
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,200
the Mag face.

2626
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:48,800
They're They're okay here. You're okay,

2627
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:49,200
Panda.

2628
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,080
>> Yeah, so

2629
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:53,600
we get most of money

2630
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,840
>> Is this the inner card?

2631
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:56,840
>> No, so

2632
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:58,400
>> and if Gordon lost the arm wrestle

2633
01:37:58,400 --> 01:37:59,680
between Marshall and Gordon?

2634
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:00,840
>> This makes

2635
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:02,320
>> dinner.

2636
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:03,920
>> This makes sense. We We really thought

2637
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:04,840
it should have gone into the parks

2638
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:07,950
budget,

2639
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:09,320
No, so

2640
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:12,480
we get we get funding from this and

2641
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:14,320
instead of putting it in operations

2642
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,280
where it we could have shown it. This

2643
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:17,440
really makes sense just to have it in

2644
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:18,840
our capital cuz this is where the money

2645
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,240
goes to once we get it from MAG. And so

2646
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,880
we wanted everybody to understand we're

2647
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:27,880
using this money to pay our yearly fee

2648
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,800
to MAG and so it's a clear

2649
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,600
approval we'll be paying that.

2650
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,320
>> And we're still doing school sidewalks.

2651
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:38,320
Those the 1020 South one that

2652
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:43,560
2050 and the 590 South ones are all

2653
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:44,920
in that

2654
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:46,360
school sidewalk category?

2655
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:47,720
>> So the ones we're doing this year were

2656
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:49,600
out of last year's budget. Is that what

2657
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:50,600
you're asking?

2658
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:56,520
>> I'm asking if that 1020 South that 590 South and that 20 2060

2659
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:57,840
>> She's just She's looking at the line

2660
01:38:57,840 --> 01:38:59,680
school sidewalks and she's saying the

2661
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,520
numbers herself. They're not on there.

2662
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:03,880
>> Oh, so

2663
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,000
um

2664
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:07,760
So you're asking which which sidewalks

2665
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,840
this one of specifically is with?

2666
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,430
Um

2667
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:15,320
That actually represents a couple

2668
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,160
different projects. So we just have it

2669
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,110
in there for good.

2670
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:20,920
» Okay.

2671
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,880
>> Let's go to the detail sheets.

2672
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:25,400
>> Did you touch the board?

2673
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:26,920
>> I did and I'm not going to do that

2674
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,080
again. I I was going to blame the staff

2675
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:30,800
over here for What's that big smudge

2676
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:31,520
over there?

2677
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:32,840
>> Try page.

2678
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:34,200
>> I don't know that I've got the

2679
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:35,520
individual projects listed in that

2680
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,280
project page, but

2681
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:40,400
we can get that information in

2682
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:41,400
separately.

2683
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:42,160
>> Okay.

2684
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:43,440
>> So it to

2685
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:44,640
>> Page 36.

2686
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,680
>> So we So if you look at um

2687
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,640
today you got you you received the

2688
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:53,040
capital projects list update. The very

2689
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,680
last page of that update that got

2690
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,880
emailed to you lists all the projects

2691
01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:59,440
and once those go out to bid you'll see

2692
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:01,840
those go in as active but they're

2693
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:03,520
those projects are the ones you'll see

2694
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:05,560
right there. So

2695
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:07,280
you should have that list.

2696
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:12,350
>> Okay. I'll get that.

2697
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,080
Any other questions for Gordon?

2698
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:16,040
>> I have questions for Gordon on the sewer

2699
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,360
but not this one.

2700
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:21,880
What does the Westside sewer entail?

2701
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:22,400
On this

2702
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:25,400
>> I'll I'll let um go ahead.

2703
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,720
>> Westside sewer is the trunk line on

2704
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:30,520
Lakeview Parkway from 620 North up to

2705
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:33,000
the Northwest lift station. We're going

2706
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,560
to have to engineer the first 2 years

2707
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:36,480
um

2708
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:37,760
first

2709
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,120
when it gets to it's just south of the

2710
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:40,800
high school.

2711
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,680
I think it's about 4 million.

2712
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,480
And then the other 5 million is to get

2713
01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:46,880
up the rest of the way to the Northwest

2714
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:48,120
lift station.

2715
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:53,120
>> The one that's in Broadview Shores or

2716
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,640
sorry, close to 20th North.

2717
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:57,040
>> Yes.

2718
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:59,000
>> No, storm water sewer lines.

2719
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,560
We don't have a trunk line from there

2720
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:01,680
up.

2721
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,520
Okay. And then once it gets to the lift

2722
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:06,120
station then it gravity flows back down

2723
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:07,360
to the other lift station by the

2724
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:08,120
airport?

2725
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:09,200
>> Yes.

2726
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:10,880
>> And then it gets lifted back up and it

2727
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,360
gets pushed out

2728
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,280
down the parkway

2729
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:17,120
up 1100 West and out

2730
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:17,960
>> Yes.

2731
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:21,510
>> 1500 South and over.

2732
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:22,640
It's crazy that we have to have two

2733
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:23,640
different lift stations for all that

2734
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:25,720
sewer.

2735
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:26,400
I

2736
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,800
Thanks. It's So it's not the actual

2737
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,880
secondary trunk line along Lakeview

2738
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,760
Parkway and then up 1100 North. It's

2739
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,000
Northwest.

2740
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:35,640
>> Great.

2741
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:36,800
>> I get it.

2742
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,280
Thank you.

2743
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:40,720
>> You you can see where that is where we

2744
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:42,280
didn't finish Lake View. We only have

2745
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:43,960
half width of Lake View Parkway there.

2746
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:47,000
That's where we're still need to install

2747
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,240
the sewer trunk line.

2748
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:50,920
So, you can physically see that area out

2749
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:51,400
there.

2750
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:52,920
>> And then after we install that, are we

2751
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:55,200
going to pave it to a five-lane road or

2752
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:56,200
are we going to still wait?

2753
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,320
>> We'll do it at some point. There we

2754
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,120
there's whether we do it now or wait

2755
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,800
till capacity demands it. We it's we

2756
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,200
will wait till afterwards, but I don't

2757
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:05,640
know how far afterwards.

2758
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:07,360
>> And how close is Warm to getting their

2759
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:10,480
section of the Parkway done?

2760
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:13,000
>> It'll be a few years.

2761
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,270
>> Okay.

2762
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:19,830
Thank you.

2763
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:21,520
Do we want to continue to go over to the

2764
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,800
each different divisions or do we want

2765
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:25,600
to see if anybody has questions for

2766
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,670
public works?

2767
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:29,280
» Public works have a

2768
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:30,360
>> I think I kind of skipped it when we

2769
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:31,560
went to storm. We can go back to

2770
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:35,470
sanitation at 68 if we want.

2771
01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:36,960
» Will we be done with the Franklin

2772
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:40,360
fallout stormwater thing after this

2773
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:41,880
project on

2774
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:46,120
Fifth South and Seventh West?

2775
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:49,200
>> So, we will it's

2776
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:50,960
We're we we're in the process of

2777
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:52,760
updating our master plan. We've got the

2778
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,600
draft. One of the concerns for Franklin

2779
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,760
area, Dixon area is one of the major

2780
01:42:57,760 --> 01:42:59,760
problem areas for stormwater. This is

2781
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,680
the old part of the city that never

2782
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:02,720
really got a

2783
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:04,840
adequate stormwater system.

2784
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:06,200
Um

2785
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:09,320
what we had our consultant look at is

2786
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,240
all the stormwater in the area goes

2787
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:14,120
through an old irrigation system. And it

2788
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:15,360
goes under the Dixon It goes under the

2789
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,400
Dixon school. So, that's been one of the

2790
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:20,720
priorities to get that system irrigation

2791
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,320
system and properly drain Franklin Dixon

2792
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:26,520
area. What we had them look at was in

2793
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,360
the old plan, everything flows south

2794
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:30,440
um

2795
01:43:30,440 --> 01:43:33,200
across the underneath the railroad um

2796
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:36,670
and then over to

2797
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:38,240
where the Footprinter's Park area.

2798
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:38,840
>> Yeah.

2799
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:41,280
>> So, that system's in place, but one of

2800
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:42,840
the things that was in the old master

2801
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:45,200
plan was putting large detention basins

2802
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:47,000
in parks,

2803
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:48,960
school school

2804
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:52,120
foundation school area there play ground

2805
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:53,200
area.

2806
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:54,800
Um so, we had a consultant as there was

2807
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:56,720
different options to do that to carry it

2808
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:57,960
west.

2809
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:00,720
Um which we had them look at look at and

2810
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,120
if you go back to the CIP

2811
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,040
um you'll see the change.

2812
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,550
>> Okay.

2813
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,840
» Um you'll see 5th North and 2nd West

2814
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,640
down on the bottom, too.

2815
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:12,600
Um

2816
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:13,840
what we had them change is we're

2817
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,680
actually instead of flowing that south,

2818
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:17,800
we're going to actually flow that west.

2819
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:19,040
And we're going to get a large linear

2820
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:20,640
detention basin along the railroad

2821
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:22,280
property that we already own instead of

2822
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:24,520
the parks um

2823
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,200
Franklin Park and and the school system.

2824
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:28,560
And then that way we can get it to the

2825
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,520
river instead of pushing it all south.

2826
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:35,160
It'll actually feel less expensive and something we can get done much

2827
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:36,120
quicker.

2828
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,040
Um so, that's why when you see Franklin,

2829
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:39,520
we've actually switched that to those

2830
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:41,400
projects. But the area that you're

2831
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:43,040
talking there, yeah, we're we're we'll

2832
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,120
be finishing for for a while and it'll

2833
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:46,960
take a lot of the flow some of the flow

2834
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,320
in the Franklin area north of the

2835
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,680
railroad and areas that will and then

2836
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:53,240
hope over the 5th 5th West what you guys

2837
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:54,520
did a few years ago we're going to

2838
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,680
connect and kind of split flows.

2839
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,280
>> So, how long are we looking at at this

2840
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,760
5th South and 7th West project that we

2841
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:02,560
currently have going?

2842
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,880
>> Um we could be done this year, so

2843
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:06,640
um contractor started out there and then

2844
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:08,280
we had some additional work to get it

2845
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:10,680
over from 7th West to 5th West.

2846
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:11,040
>> 5th West?

2847
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:12,920
>> Yeah. And we'll be doing that also this

2848
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:13,360
year.

2849
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:14,440
>> We're going to doing that down 5th

2850
01:45:14,440 --> 01:45:15,280
South?

2851
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:16,440
>> Yeah.

2852
01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:17,200
Correct.

2853
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:18,560
>> Okay. And while I have you up here,

2854
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,240
Shane, are we looking at we're still

2855
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:22,320
keeping our garbage system? I'm hearing

2856
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:23,560
weird rumors.

2857
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:25,000
We're not looking at we're not looking

2858
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:26,520
at outsourcing garbage or

2859
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:28,200
>> I don't

2860
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:29,720
I I and that was one of the reasons why

2861
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:31,440
we brought sanitation to the city is

2862
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:33,800
because the service, um the quality of

2863
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:35,000
service,

2864
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:37,080
um we felt it connected that's been

2865
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:39,000
responsive to the residents. I don't

2866
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:40,600
think we've ever heard so absolutely

2867
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:42,720
not. That hasn't been something that

2868
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:44,000
Now, commercial is outsourced. It's

2869
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,920
always been residential

2870
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:47,800
is always been we take care of that. And

2871
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:49,560
there's no thought of changing that.

2872
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:51,640
>> All right. Thank you.

2873
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:53,560
Can I ask you about um like what's the

2874
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,440
infrastructure needed at Quailridge Park

2875
01:45:55,440 --> 01:45:57,080
seeing as that was just built? Like why

2876
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:58,440
is there already necessary

2877
01:45:58,440 --> 01:45:59,880
infrastructure?

2878
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:02,000
>> So, that area, the northeast area of

2879
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,240
Provo, is also one of the problematic

2880
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:06,800
areas. Um any new development, we have

2881
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,800
no Everything flows to Canyon Road

2882
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,920
above, you know, these these sub canyon

2883
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:15,960
and it flows all south. So,

2884
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,920
that pipe is already at capacity. Um it

2885
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:21,920
has issues. Quail was to help address

2886
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,440
some of those issues and which it has.

2887
01:46:24,440 --> 01:46:26,000
But north of that, there's north of

2888
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,440
Quail,

2889
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:29,400
um you keep going north, we still have

2890
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:30,920
problem areas.

2891
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:32,120
Um

2892
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:34,480
we also have annexed in

2893
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:35,680
um

2894
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:37,440
the northeast area now. So, we're going

2895
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:39,840
to have additional development.

2896
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:42,840
That project now we moved up because

2897
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,080
that area with the new development um

2898
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:47,720
and also the development that's already

2899
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:50,720
happened has and will create a bigger

2900
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:53,840
issue. So, with the developer and

2901
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:55,680
they'll be paying impact fees and those

2902
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:56,800
things,

2903
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,680
um we moved that project up because it's

2904
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:01,040
looking to be developed, so we're going

2905
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:03,040
to have that issue.

2906
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:03,360
>> So, is it

2907
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,120
>> So, that what we'll do there is at

2908
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:06,920
Foothill, instead of pushing all that

2909
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:09,400
storm water south, we'll actually push

2910
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:12,200
it down Foothill and over to the river.

2911
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:14,200
We We built some pipe systems in the

2912
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:15,800
past um

2913
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:17,400
that are still that are large pipes.

2914
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,240
They're just

2915
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:22,000
for this project in the future. It's

2916
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,080
just been moved up because of the new

2917
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,960
annexation and the push to develop that

2918
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:27,920
area.

2919
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,320
It's requiring us to uh uh

2920
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,520
>> Um and should I mean, should we be

2921
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:34,000
building more stuff right now then until

2922
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,120
that's done or

2923
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:36,240
>> Building more

2924
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:37,440
>> housing.

2925
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:39,600
>> Um if we we get this in and that's what

2926
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,280
we're looking at. If we get this in, I

2927
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:42,880
think this really takes care of that

2928
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:45,640
problem. This will relieve a lot of our

2929
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:46,920
problems in that north

2930
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:48,920
>> So it's piping from northeast all the

2931
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:49,880
way down to the river.

2932
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:52,800
>> Yes, the pipe in town. Canyon Road from

2933
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,120
Foothill and then down Canyon Road it

2934
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,520
ties to some some pipes that have been

2935
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:58,800
done in the past.

2936
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:00,040
>> but they're just not being used.

2937
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:00,440
>> Yeah.

2938
01:48:00,440 --> 01:48:01,320
>> Perfect.

2939
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:02,880
>> Yeah, we've been anticipating this for a

2940
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,400
long time and we just hadn't done

2941
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:07,040
anything because that area

2942
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:08,760
wasn't annexed in and there was a lot of

2943
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:11,200
decision-making going on. Once that was

2944
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:13,200
in and then looking to develop, now

2945
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:14,400
that's put a

2946
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,360
special incentive in Jeffco.

2947
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:17,160
>> Thank you.

2948
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:19,240
>> And then I want on your your question

2949
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:21,280
you had about there was 250 you had a

2950
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:21,600
question

2951
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:23,120
>> Yeah, Slate Canyon Drive.

2952
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:26,160
>> That is So they're finishing the the the

2953
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:29,680
original up there. The 250, once it hits

2954
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,000
Slate Canyon Road, we're actually going

2955
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,080
to take that flow and bring it

2956
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,360
underneath the road so we finish the

2957
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:37,320
design where we're going to bring all

2958
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:38,880
that flow underneath the road into the

2959
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:41,360
park temporarily

2960
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:42,920
um and just transfer that if we do have

2961
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:44,920
anything that comes down Ruby Ruby Draw.

2962
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:47,200
and then as they start the the

2963
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:49,960
park development in concept plans, we'll

2964
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:52,720
work with them to

2965
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:54,320
allow our storm water system be

2966
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:55,680
incorporated into that.

2967
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,560
>> So the 250 covers bringing it underneath

2968
01:48:58,560 --> 01:48:59,720
Slate Canyon Drive.

2969
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:01,640
>> Right now you see that draw coming down?

2970
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:01,840
>> Yeah.

2971
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,000
>> And it just hits the road.

2972
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:03,400
>> Yeah, yeah.

2973
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:04,640
>> So we're going to be building a pipe

2974
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:06,680
system that takes it underneath the road

2975
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:07,960
over to the park.

2976
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:08,280
>> Yeah.

2977
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:10,000
>> And then kind of we'll we'll route it

2978
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,320
through the park just through this

2979
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:13,720
system and your storm water storm water

2980
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:16,240
system to south distance.

2981
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:17,080
And

2982
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:18,360
>> So it won't change won't be an open

2983
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:20,240
channel anymore.

2984
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:21,840
>> south of the road, it'll be piped

2985
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:22,480
underneath.

2986
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:24,040
>> It'll go underneath the road into the

2987
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:25,360
old park property.

2988
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:26,760
>> So, it'll just be piped underneath the

2989
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:28,640
road and piped into the old park.

2990
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:29,960
>> Pipe and then we're going to build pipe

2991
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:33,480
resistance. We're going to kind of build We'll we'll build it up in channel

2992
01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:36,040
that takes it down to a pipe system that

2993
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:39,400
we have just south of the substation.

2994
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:41,200
I think I was on that too. So, the

2995
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:43,360
substation pipe right there south of

2996
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:45,600
that substation, that's the new pipe

2997
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,480
that we're going to be putting in

2998
01:49:47,480 --> 01:49:50,480
um to convey that all the way down to

2999
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:52,240
station and you know our regular pipe

3000
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:52,720
system.

3001
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:55,360
>> So, there will be no pipe south of it.

3002
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:57,120
It's like in the dirt.

3003
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:59,920
>> South of It'll just go under the park.

3004
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:01,480
>> No, that's north.

3005
01:50:01,480 --> 01:50:03,080
So, south would be

3006
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,840
>> South of Slate Canyon Road there. Yeah,

3007
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,480
it's There is piping in there. It's just

3008
01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:09,440
too small.

3009
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:12,160
>> Oh, okay. So, it's already piped in. So,

3010
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:12,520
Yeah, you're good.

3011
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:14,760
>> And it wasn't ever built to handle the

3012
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:18,560
flows that come from the mouth from the draw.

3013
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:19,520
>> the draw

3014
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,760
>> from up the draw. We're the system we're

3015
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:23,640
now is building to handle those flows

3016
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:26,280
that would come out of the draw.

3017
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:28,480
>> So, you're you're upsizing the pipe to

3018
01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:30,200
the south and you're just bringing it

3019
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:31,840
underneath and you'll pipe it down to

3020
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:32,720
the park.

3021
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:33,600
>> Yeah.

3022
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,840
>> The expansion piece to the park.

3023
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:37,720
That's one pipe.

3024
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:40,720
>> It is a It's a big sewer.

3025
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:42,280
>> How big?

3026
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:44,560
>> Um we're looking at

3027
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:47,120
48 to 60-in pipe.

3028
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:50,760
So, flows in the 150 to 200 CFS.

3029
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:52,800
>> And how do you keep kids out of it?

3030
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:54,560
>> We put bars. We put

3031
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:55,360
um

3032
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:57,400
bars on there and then we also do that

3033
01:50:57,400 --> 01:50:59,080
so that as flows come down we're we're

3034
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:03,710
cleaning it as flows come down.

3035
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:07,230
» Thank you.

3036
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:08,200
» Um I

3037
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,120
If you go to sheet 30, I thought this

3038
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:12,400
would be good just to given one quick

3039
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,240
explanation on this.

3040
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:16,000
So,

3041
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:19,160
the city So, I'm looking at go up to the

3042
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:22,280
fifth north project. This particular

3043
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,320
project's on our CIP of the capital

3044
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:26,200
projects.

3045
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:27,040
It

3046
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:28,800
We we put this money in here as a

3047
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,240
placeholder. Last year we spent all our

3048
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:33,400
money on sidewalk projects, but one of

3049
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:35,880
the things the council had suggested

3050
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:38,760
last budget season, and what they talked

3051
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:40,320
about this year as a priority was

3052
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:41,600
capital

3053
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:42,840
or um

3054
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:43,880
uh

3055
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:45,360
economic development. So, what we're

3056
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:47,320
saying is, oh man, look at the last

3057
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:50,360
budget there. These guys are terrible.

3058
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:51,240
Anyway,

3059
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:52,080
>> Blame Travis.

3060
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:55,920
>> So, so what we're saying is, once we see

3061
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:59,160
what comes out of your um

3062
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,600
economic development study, if you want

3063
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:03,200
to do a Center Street, which we're

3064
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:04,400
saying is about $10 million, it would

3065
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:05,440
take about

3066
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:06,960
3

3067
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:08,840
years to do the plan and study, get that

3068
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:10,640
in place.

3069
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:12,280
We're starting what we'd call a little

3070
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:14,160
bit of a war chest if you want to do

3071
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:15,840
that. So, we could spend that money on

3072
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,280
like sidewalks this year, but if you're

3073
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:19,440
thinking that you're going to do

3074
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:22,480
something big in two or three or four

3075
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:23,920
years,

3076
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,240
this money is kind of set aside in a

3077
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:27,760
placeholder

3078
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:29,640
in a current capital project that's in

3079
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:31,080
our master plan. So, we could move

3080
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:33,160
forward with our master plan, or we

3081
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:34,720
could look at

3082
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:37,760
doing that based upon council decision.

3083
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:40,080
>> So, exactly what is this project?

3084
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:43,160
>> So, this is to extend Fifth North over

3085
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:44,600
to 900 East.

3086
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:46,000
It's in It's in our master plan,

3087
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:47,360
transportation master plan. I'm not

3088
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:50,120
saying do it. We just picked a project

3089
01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:51,600
that was a first-phase high-priority

3090
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,600
project that had been selected.

3091
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:55,880
Not that we're thinking we want to do

3092
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,520
it. I'm just saying this money

3093
01:52:58,520 --> 01:52:59,480
might touch it.

3094
01:52:59,480 --> 01:53:00,200
>> So, it's all good.

3095
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:01,960
>> Well, I think that's I think that'd be

3096
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:03,440
amazing if we could get that done.

3097
01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:04,720
>> Yeah, I think it I think that

3098
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:05,600
>> And the owner

3099
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:07,400
>> Right, it's a good project, but I'm also

3100
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:09,320
saying if the council thinks it's more

3101
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:11,240
important to do

3102
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:13,760
Center Street, which is $10 million,

3103
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:15,400
or if you're thinking that an economic

3104
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:17,720
development project to get something

3105
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:20,240
exciting in Provo. Just throwing those

3106
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:21,600
out there. So, this is an important

3107
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:24,320
project, but I'm just saying if you

3108
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:26,640
select something different

3109
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:28,400
that may be a decision.

3110
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:32,280
>> But, doing this it gets flow east-west

3111
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:33,880
connectivity. So, it's a great issue.

3112
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:35,720
I'm not I'm not dissing the project.

3113
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:37,160
>> I'm saying you can beat

3114
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:39,000
So, if you don't find something more

3115
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:41,240
important, we have it here. That's what

3116
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:43,240
you're voting on. So, I just was giving

3117
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:45,680
you some thoughts that you we had heard

3118
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:48,200
from the council. I wanted to be able to

3119
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:49,680
accommodate what you end up choosing on.

3120
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:52,920
So, that's the whole story.

3121
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:54,600
>> Um, Council Whitlock.

3122
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,480
>> Um, underneath the storm water section,

3123
01:53:57,480 --> 01:53:59,720
there's the $60 million levy and

3124
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:03,000
unfunded. I was just curious, um,

3125
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,440
what's the plan timeline on this and

3126
01:54:05,440 --> 01:54:07,320
>> That that timeline is way, way out

3127
01:54:07,320 --> 01:54:07,640
there.

3128
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:09,040
>> Okay. Is there What's the What's the

3129
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:10,320
purpose? What's the risk profile?

3130
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:12,560
>> So, so right now you're we're bringing

3131
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,400
you a FEMA program because a number of

3132
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:15,600
homes now are going to start paying

3133
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:18,200
flood insurance because the the levies

3134
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:20,360
aren't certified.

3135
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:23,400
We are going after various looking at

3136
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:27,240
grants opportunities to see if we can get This won't be

3137
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:28,840
funded by the city. This will be outside

3138
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:31,720
funding if we get it. So, it's something

3139
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:33,200
we

3140
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:34,840
are aggressively looking at and trying

3141
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:36,480
to solve, but

3142
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:37,960
it it's going to be a challenge to get

3143
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,200
that much money. We need COVID to strike

3144
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:42,440
again and we could No, that's what

3145
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:44,200
So, if we get funding, we would get into

3146
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:46,000
that, but that's a

3147
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:47,240
um

3148
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:50,360
Brian has met with us and and uh Shane

3149
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:51,920
or they've met with the administration

3150
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:53,520
and they're looking at some options of

3151
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,640
trying to address this. So, we're

3152
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:57,560
looking at a whole slew of things.

3153
01:54:57,560 --> 01:54:59,800
>> Is there any coordination needed on that

3154
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:02,600
thread with the river standards project

3155
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:04,760
that um

3156
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:07,280
development services is doing.

3157
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:09,800
>> Um for for now until we get money, we're

3158
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:10,800
not going to do anything.

3159
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:11,640
>> Okay.

3160
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:13,840
>> And so I I think let development

3161
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:16,360
services run their course and we'll

3162
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:18,440
have that as part of what we ever design

3163
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:20,040
or get into it if we get some funding.

3164
01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:21,680
>> But Jeff, I do want to say there are

3165
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:24,040
homeowners that live there.

3166
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:25,720
The trees are not going to be allowed to

3167
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:28,440
be in the new dike, right? The FEMA new

3168
01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:29,560
FEMA standards say that.

3169
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:30,080
>> So

3170
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:31,040
>> trees.

3171
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:33,400
have challenges because they have

3172
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:35,280
roots. And so

3173
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:36,000
um

3174
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:37,920
at the end of the day

3175
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:39,960
we will look at it to save as many trees

3176
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:41,720
as possible, but a lot of trees will

3177
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:43,880
probably need to be removed.

3178
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:45,080
>> And so there's homeowners that live

3179
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:47,920
along there that would prefer it not I

3180
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:49,200
mean I can't say every homeowner, but

3181
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:50,560
there are homeowners and I have heard

3182
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:52,920
them say we would prefer it to be as it

3183
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:54,200
is and we prefer to pay the flood

3184
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:55,400
insurance

3185
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:56,800
than turn around and have to revamp that

3186
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:58,760
dike and take out the vegetation.

3187
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:00,680
>> And and I understand all that. What

3188
01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:01,880
we're saying is we think there's

3189
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:04,200
probably some justification to find

3190
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:05,240
money

3191
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:06,840
to get people out the flood plain. We

3192
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:08,320
have an uncertified

3193
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:09,760
dike system. We're looking at some other

3194
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:11,480
alternatives that

3195
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:14,040
like I said we we're we're discussing

3196
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:16,160
but um

3197
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:18,440
if we get funding, we will be talking

3198
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:20,680
about this in much more detail. But

3199
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:22,800
today we have no funding so nobody is

3200
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:27,390
cutting trees down.

3201
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,480
» Thank you, Gordon.

3202
01:56:29,480 --> 01:56:31,240
All right.

3203
01:56:31,240 --> 01:56:34,080
Is that all we have for public works?

3204
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:35,480
I think so. Anyone else have anything

3205
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:37,920
else for public works?

3206
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:39,440
I think we're done. Perfect. I think

3207
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:41,440
we're done then. Thank you and thanks,

3208
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:44,150
departments.

3209
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:55,990
Thanks to everyone.

3210
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:57,800
All right. Next we have a resolution

3211
01:56:57,800 --> 01:57:00,520
amending the 2026 Provo standard drawing

3212
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:03,000
details and the 2026 Provo City Public

3213
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:04,520
Works Department development design

3214
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:06,520
standards due to changes in the minimum

3215
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:08,960
street width requirements.

3216
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:10,880
And this will be presented by Gordon

3217
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:18,990
Height.

3218
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:21,760
Oh, and we're trying our new thing with

3219
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,320
the timer.

3220
01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:26,640
So, have our presenters go 5 minutes and

3221
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:28,080
then we still leave most of the time for

3222
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:29,040
question and answer.

3223
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:30,800
>> No, and I think what you should do is if

3224
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:32,600
we get to 2 minutes we get a prize. You

3225
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:34,120
know, and a better prize for 1 minute. I

3226
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:34,960
think we should

3227
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:37,520
>> Everyone's favorite candy bar here?

3228
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:40,720
>> I'm just saying we're going to do this.

3229
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:41,400
>> Ready?

3230
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:43,800
>> Yeah, it's not clicking. I'm already

3231
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:47,030
losing seconds.

3232
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:49,840
Okay, so we talked a lot about the road

3233
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:50,840
standards, so I don't want to

3234
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:52,360
necessarily go into a lot of the

3235
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:54,280
previous discussion.

3236
01:57:54,280 --> 01:57:55,400
Um

3237
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:57,320
So, I wanted to talk about a couple

3238
01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:59,520
options. This is the option that the

3239
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:01,440
council kind of voted on

3240
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:03,880
last month. This was where

3241
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:06,480
we kept the 24-foot section.

3242
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:07,360
Um

3243
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:09,640
This would be for

3244
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:12,110
um

3245
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:15,240
» Can I read this way? If we had

3246
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:16,120
infill

3247
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:17,080
>> infill

3248
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:18,440
>> see the word infill in there?

3249
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:19,120
>> Yeah.

3250
01:58:19,120 --> 01:58:20,600
>> In the first line, right there.

3251
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:22,080
>> Oh, there they are. Okay, sorry. I was

3252
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:24,960
looking in the black. It says So, trust

3253
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:26,160
me, this is what you said.

3254
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:29,640
>> No, infill and also fill side property.

3255
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:31,600
We kept the end of the 80 feet still had

3256
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:33,080
to be less than 400. There was

3257
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:35,640
discussion that infill was not a

3258
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:37,800
well-defined word, and so what we're

3259
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,000
saying is

3260
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:42,160
this kind of puts guardrails on it if

3261
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,520
there wanted to be more definition. And

3262
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:47,280
then also the fire marshal would have to

3263
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:49,000
approve it.

3264
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:50,840
Then this is

3265
01:58:50,840 --> 01:58:52,920
kind of the original statement. We're is

3266
01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:55,400
adding fire marshal as being part of the

3267
01:58:55,400 --> 01:58:59,320
design and the one we recommended.

3268
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:00,760
Questions answered.

3269
01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:02,800
Did I get it under five?

3270
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:05,120
>> It's interesting. So, how's that help?

3271
01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:07,040
>> There was a lot of discussion last time

3272
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,240
and so I didn't feel like I needed to I

3273
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:10,880
could go back and explain it all again,

3274
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:12,680
but if that that's helpful, but

3275
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:14,240
>> Thank you, Gordon.

3276
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:17,440
Um anybody have questions for Gordon? Um

3277
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:18,960
Counselor Botton.

3278
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:21,560
>> So, I'm confused

3279
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:24,280
about the hillside. I mean, we have the

3280
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:26,800
hillside standards because we obviously

3281
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:29,160
don't want them to build up the hillside

3282
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:31,200
or not too far up the hillside.

3283
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:34,360
But yet, we want to allow 24-ft streets.

3284
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:36,400
Doesn't that permit them to build

3285
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:38,240
further up the hillside?

3286
01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:42,320
>> So, so our the standard isn't going to

3287
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:44,800
require them to go further or up

3288
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:45,920
further.

3289
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:47,480
What it's going to do is where they can

3290
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:50,720
go, it gives us flexibility to reduce

3291
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:52,520
the size of road so there's less cuts

3292
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:54,840
and fills. So, it won't

3293
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:55,880
the ordinance won't allow them to go

3294
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:58,240
further up the hill. It just allows the

3295
01:59:58,240 --> 01:59:59,400
roads maybe

3296
01:59:59,400 --> 02:00:00,640
>> Cuz even with the standards, they're

3297
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:02,600
still allowed to build on areas that

3298
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:04,080
aren't the 30%, but you have to get

3299
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:04,920
there.

3300
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:05,920
>> Build I don't know if you were going to

3301
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:06,320
say something.

3302
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:08,000
>> Yes, this won't increase how far they go

3303
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:09,880
up the hill, but even the critical

3304
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:11,240
hillside overlay zone when it was

3305
02:00:11,240 --> 02:00:12,400
written

3306
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:15,000
recognized the value of narrower roads

3307
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,440
in a hillside area where cuts and fills

3308
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:19,760
can be much more extreme for a wider

3309
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:21,320
road.

3310
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:23,360
So, in a hillside environment, narrower

3311
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:26,520
roads actually can help substantially

3312
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:29,520
minimize environmental impact.

3313
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:30,400
Is that correct, Gordon?

3314
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:32,120
>> Yeah. Yeah, that that's correct. Does

3315
02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:36,670
that go against my five minutes or we

3316
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:38,320
So, no. So,

3317
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:41,560
the the the growth boundary is set by

3318
02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:44,080
property ownership, forest service,

3319
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:46,840
30% slope, but to get to where we've

3320
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:48,600
sort of set where you can't get to,

3321
02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:50,520
those roads could be

3322
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:53,400
wider and if we did, the cuts and fills

3323
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,360
would be more severe on the hillside.

3324
02:00:56,360 --> 02:00:59,160
But but we're now looking

3325
02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:00,960
the hillside that was adopted by the

3326
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:03,040
city to allow some discretion by the

3327
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:05,840
city to really try to help minimize

3328
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:07,480
the cuts and fills we do up there. And

3329
02:01:07,480 --> 02:01:09,080
so this is another way of doing that

3330
02:01:09,080 --> 02:01:10,920
accomplishing it.

3331
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:13,800
>> So if we said no to 24-ft

3332
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:16,600
but roads all together,

3333
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:18,800
that doesn't necessarily stop them from

3334
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:19,480
>> No, they

3335
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:20,440
>> building.

3336
02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:21,720
>> The area where they can develop will

3337
02:01:21,720 --> 02:01:24,120
develop regardless if we put up a larger

3338
02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:25,800
road. If you eliminate this, they'll

3339
02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:28,480
still develop the exact same area.

3340
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:32,120
It just may require us to do larger

3341
02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:36,240
roads to those sites that

3342
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:38,120
like And again, we haven't seen full

3343
02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:40,200
design, but they the bigger the road in

3344
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:42,040
the hillside, I know we're going to have

3345
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:44,360
bigger cuts, bigger fills.

3346
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:46,040
And this just gives us a little more

3347
02:01:46,040 --> 02:01:48,560
flexibility

3348
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:52,510
to keep that from happening.

3349
02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:53,800
» I don't know how I feel about that cuz

3350
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:55,160
if you have to have a smaller road to

3351
02:01:55,160 --> 02:01:57,520
get up to a place where you can build,

3352
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,280
>> They they they won't regardless of

3353
02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:01,560
whether you

3354
02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:03,360
take have that in there or not, they're

3355
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:04,880
going to build to the exact same place

3356
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:06,200
and they will not get above it. It's

3357
02:02:06,200 --> 02:02:08,840
just the road that gets to it.

3358
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:09,680
>> I get that.

3359
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:10,280
>> Okay.

3360
02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:12,480
>> But I also am seeing that if you have to

3361
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:13,560
have a

3362
02:02:13,560 --> 02:02:15,680
smaller road in order to get up there,

3363
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:18,160
to me it's probably not worth building

3364
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:20,920
even if it's a 30% grade to go up it.

3365
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:22,480
Um

3366
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:23,400
Yeah.

3367
02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:26,280
Okay. Thanks.

3368
02:02:26,280 --> 02:02:30,150
Any other questions?

3369
02:02:30,160 --> 02:02:31,680
» Um Council Whitlock.

3370
02:02:31,680 --> 02:02:34,360
>> And I I just want the clarify the one

3371
02:02:34,360 --> 02:02:36,120
you that um

3372
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:37,640
is being recommended

3373
02:02:37,640 --> 02:02:39,640
by you all is option three?

3374
02:02:39,640 --> 02:02:42,200
>> It it's to leave it the we have it and

3375
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,240
then add

3376
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:45,360
>> major

3377
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:47,040
Oh.

3378
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:49,400
the fire marshal approval to the design.

3379
02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:52,280
So, once you select this, we can

3380
02:02:52,280 --> 02:02:54,280
fix your ordinance either way.

3381
02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:55,800
We've been working with Brian on that.

3382
02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:57,320
So, that's the one we're working on.

3383
02:02:57,320 --> 02:02:59,040
>> And can you can you just elaborate on

3384
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:00,280
rationale for that?

3385
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:01,280
>> Well,

3386
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:03,960
I think that this gives this size gives

3387
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:06,600
us a lot of flexibility in how we are

3388
02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:09,440
designing subdivisions. I think

3389
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:12,120
it gives people gives developers an

3390
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:13,640
opportunity to do something a little

3391
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:15,600
different everywhere. We have such a

3392
02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:18,120
cookie-cutter

3393
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:20,600
industry out there in our in our um

3394
02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:23,760
development process that anytime you can

3395
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:26,560
add some flexibility to accommodate

3396
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:29,080
different types of uses, I think you're

3397
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:29,800
going to

3398
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:31,840
be better off. I I think there's going

3399
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:33,720
to be people that enjoy their

3400
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:35,600
neighborhood more. We're hearing that

3401
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:37,280
with small roads, people others with

3402
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:40,000
larger roads, but it gives the ability

3403
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:43,160
for that kind of flexibility to have um

3404
02:03:43,160 --> 02:03:44,720
where people move in. We want people to

3405
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:46,560
be happy when they move into their

3406
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:48,120
subdivision. We want them to like it and

3407
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:50,840
enjoy it. Be

3408
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:53,440
And I think developers can look to the

3409
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:55,960
market and then that flexibility exists.

3410
02:03:55,960 --> 02:03:57,560
So, that's my

3411
02:03:57,560 --> 02:03:58,880
two cents. I don't know if Bill wants to

3412
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:00,960
add any more to it, but No, he didn't

3413
02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:02,000
want to add any more.

3414
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:02,640
>> Um

3415
02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:04,240
I definitely think developers will often

3416
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:05,600
just pick what's cheaper for them. It's

3417
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:07,920
not about who's living there. And as it

3418
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:09,120
stands now, none of these people who

3419
02:04:09,120 --> 02:04:10,400
have had their roads built even know

3420
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:11,680
that they're going to have parking cut

3421
02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:13,000
off on one side.

3422
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:15,520
>> So, one of the things you can look at

3423
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:18,240
the list of of roads that So, we have a

3424
02:04:18,240 --> 02:04:20,920
preliminary list of roads to look at.

3425
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:22,920
In the last 6 years since this has been

3426
02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:25,080
on the mar- since this has been adopted

3427
02:04:25,080 --> 02:04:27,360
since 2018,

3428
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:29,080
there's probably been less than 10

3429
02:04:29,080 --> 02:04:30,920
roads, 12 roads that have this has

3430
02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:37,430
affected. So, this is not a

3431
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:38,880
It's not a

3432
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:40,720
>> not like widespread everywhere.

3433
02:04:40,720 --> 02:04:43,760
>> It It's being done in a thoughtful,

3434
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:46,920
considerate process. So, I'm saying

3435
02:04:46,920 --> 02:04:50,630
we're not seeing um

3436
02:04:50,640 --> 02:04:53,680
com- uh just a a wildfire going crazy.

3437
02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:55,440
This has been people thought about it,

3438
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:57,840
they discussed it, it's happening. And I

3439
02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:00,080
think it's happening in a way

3440
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:02,960
that is making subdivisions better. But,

3441
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:03,880
that's

3442
02:05:03,880 --> 02:05:06,000
>> Why are there still no signs, wires,

3443
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,120
parking stuff

3444
02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:07,360
like that?

3445
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,120
>> That's a flaw with public works, and we

3446
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:10,760
are right now working on that. And

3447
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:12,720
that's something we're working

3448
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:14,360
to talk about. We're sitting down with

3449
02:05:14,360 --> 02:05:17,320
fire and everybody to make sure we've studied

3450
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:18,480
this out well.

3451
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:19,680
>> Councilor Whitlock.

3452
02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:20,920
>> If I recall from the last meeting, that

3453
02:05:20,920 --> 02:05:22,680
was a commitment that was made by public

3454
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:24,280
works is that we would have have those

3455
02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:26,280
signs installed.

3456
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:28,040
>> So, the new ones we have, but we want to

3457
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:30,120
communicate to people before we

3458
02:05:30,120 --> 02:05:31,520
>> Yeah, I'm saying for new for new

3459
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:32,120
developments.

3460
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:33,480
>> Yeah, new developments we're doing that,

3461
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:34,520
yeah.

3462
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:36,240
>> But, that for new develop- cuz I think

3463
02:05:36,240 --> 02:05:38,880
to Councilor McKay's point, I think

3464
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:40,320
um in the past there hasn't been signs,

3465
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:43,040
and people kind of get in, and then they don't they buy a home and don't

3466
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:44,280
realize that there's this restriction,

3467
02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:44,640
and so

3468
02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:46,280
>> No, that's at least that's what the law

3469
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:46,840
says.

3470
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:49,870
>> Okay, thank you.

3471
02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:53,120
» Any other quick um Councilor Hopkin.

3472
02:05:53,120 --> 02:05:55,040
>> I think this is good on paper.

3473
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:57,600
Unfortunately, my concern is just around

3474
02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:00,160
the enforcement of the parking, and it

3475
02:06:00,160 --> 02:06:01,960
all hinges for me on whether or not it's

3476
02:06:01,960 --> 02:06:03,680
viable for us to be able to enforce

3477
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:05,640
this, and

3478
02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:07,520
you know, you say 10, 12 streets,

3479
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:09,680
something like that. I mean,

3480
02:06:09,680 --> 02:06:10,840
there's probably a few more around the

3481
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:12,640
city that I think we're looking to

3482
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:14,360
enforce on that we're already in place.

3483
02:06:14,360 --> 02:06:15,760
>> those are just new ones. There's a lot

3484
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:16,480
more

3485
02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:17,200
than that.

3486
02:06:17,200 --> 02:06:19,480
>> So, I mean, that's another 15 streets

3487
02:06:19,480 --> 02:06:21,120
that have to be patrolled, and you know,

3488
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:22,240
we have to make sure that there's

3489
02:06:22,240 --> 02:06:24,000
parking on one side. So, my concern is

3490
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:25,360
around the viability of being able to

3491
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:27,320
enforce on the parking side.

3492
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:29,080
Um and so, that's my big concern with

3493
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:34,000
this is if we both short, mid, long-term are

3494
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:37,440
able to maintain that enforcement. I've seen

3495
02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:39,080
other cities where

3496
02:06:39,080 --> 02:06:40,840
they just kind of give up on it and

3497
02:06:40,840 --> 02:06:42,600
don't enforce. And then all you've done

3498
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:44,240
is now create a park down both sides.

3499
02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:45,240
That's

3500
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:46,720
a narrow street that maybe doesn't

3501
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:49,120
comply with fire standards, such stuff.

3502
02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:50,600
Just voice my concern on that. We can

3503
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:52,560
talk more about tonight, I guess.

3504
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:54,520
>> Is there What was option one?

3505
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:55,360
>> Pardon?

3506
02:06:55,360 --> 02:06:56,000
>> We see option one.

3507
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:59,430
>> option one?

3508
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:00,520
What option one?

3509
02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:01,040
>> Right there.

3510
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:02,600
>> This one

3511
02:07:02,600 --> 02:07:03,960
isn't one we're thinking about, I don't

3512
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:04,840
think.

3513
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:05,080
>> Okay.

3514
02:07:05,080 --> 02:07:06,800
>> If we are, you I can go back here, but

3515
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:07,760
>> No, we're not.

3516
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:08,840
>> Okay.

3517
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:10,520
So, this is the one that I think you we

3518
02:07:10,520 --> 02:07:13,120
had talked about. I can just tell you

3519
02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:15,120
Bill doesn't give up, so he'll keep

3520
02:07:15,120 --> 02:07:18,120
doing the enforcement, so he's good guy.

3521
02:07:18,120 --> 02:07:20,280
No, so this is the one

3522
02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:21,680
that you talked about, I think, last

3523
02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:23,040
time. And then this is the one we're

3524
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:29,550
recommending.

3525
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:31,840
» Okay. Any other questions for

3526
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:33,000
Gordon?

3527
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:34,000
Councilor Whipple.

3528
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:35,760
>> Um well, and then just some of the after

3529
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:39,080
mental, but it doesn't sound like from

3530
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:41,080
your presentation that you feel like

3531
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:44,800
this 24-ft width has been abused.

3532
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:46,000
>> I don't think it's been abused.

3533
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:47,640
>> Okay.

3534
02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:48,760
>> That was the word I was probably looking

3535
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:49,800
for when I was stammering.

3536
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:51,480
>> That's what it it felt like. Okay.

3537
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:54,160
>> Yeah, I the daylight savings has taken a

3538
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:55,520
little bit of my thesaurus out of my

3539
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:56,120
head, so I'm

3540
02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:57,240
>> It's bad for all of us.

3541
02:07:57,240 --> 02:08:00,600
>> It's so bad. Yeah, we got to fix that.

3542
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:02,160
>> Can we do that as a city?

3543
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:05,190
>> Yeah.

3544
02:08:05,200 --> 02:08:06,920
Doubt if daylight saving I want to opt

3545
02:08:06,920 --> 02:08:08,240
in permanently. That's what I'm going to

3546
02:08:08,240 --> 02:08:09,600
do.

3547
02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:15,790
>> Change your life.

3548
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:17,400
» Chairman.

3549
02:08:17,400 --> 02:08:19,240
So, I don't I don't want to

3550
02:08:19,240 --> 02:08:21,440
stymie any potential debate for tonight,

3551
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:23,760
but I think it would be helpful on the

3552
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:26,040
staff side to have given more minutes

3553
02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:29,760
draft that was prepared. Is there

3554
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:32,960
feelings on the council

3555
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:34,560
they desire to make a motion so that

3556
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:36,080
there's something prepared for tonight

3557
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:38,320
to actually speak to or

3558
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:40,080
it is the preference to go through these

3559
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:43,040
options in the meeting.

3560
02:08:43,040 --> 02:08:44,640
>> The hard thing is Craig isn't here and

3561
02:08:44,640 --> 02:08:47,360
he's going to be here to vote tonight.

3562
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:49,280
>> I would say just logistically as far as

3563
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:52,280
that goes we drafted an exhibit that has

3564
02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:55,000
all three options on it. It's in the

3565
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:56,480
it's in on base and attached to

3566
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:57,720
materials.

3567
02:08:57,720 --> 02:08:59,760
So it's actually

3568
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:01,960
if you want to wait it's pretty easy.

3569
02:09:01,960 --> 02:09:04,200
You just need a motion to delete the two

3570
02:09:04,200 --> 02:09:05,960
options that you don't want and we're

3571
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:07,120
good to go.

3572
02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:08,560
>> I don't really mind it that way when it

3573
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:10,160
comes to that.

3574
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:11,840
I think everybody pretty much knows

3575
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:13,280
that.

3576
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:16,670
>> I'll comment on it.

3577
02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:18,320
Do you want any more presented than that

3578
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:19,200
for the

3579
02:09:19,200 --> 02:09:21,000
meeting tonight? I was thinking again

3580
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:22,360
being fairly brief since there was a lot

3581
02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:24,440
of discussion last time but if we want

3582
02:09:24,440 --> 02:09:26,080
more discussion I can certainly present

3583
02:09:26,080 --> 02:09:27,240
more.

3584
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:28,320
So.

3585
02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:29,920
>> Well, it all depends on how many people

3586
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:32,440
are here to speak to that item.

3587
02:09:32,440 --> 02:09:33,680
>> Okay.

3588
02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:35,480
If we're over six we'll do one present

3589
02:09:35,480 --> 02:09:36,520
now.

3590
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:37,560
>> This this is happening.

3591
02:09:37,560 --> 02:09:39,240
>> We'll try to gauge what we want to do.

3592
02:09:39,240 --> 02:09:41,080
>> If there's nobody there that really

3593
02:09:41,080 --> 02:09:43,400
cares about anything then

3594
02:09:43,400 --> 02:09:45,360
short and done but if there's a lot of

3595
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:46,680
questions

3596
02:09:46,680 --> 02:09:49,640
I would prefer you guys

3597
02:09:49,640 --> 02:09:51,080
presenting to them.

3598
02:09:51,080 --> 02:09:52,560
>> We'll try to gauge how much and we'll

3599
02:09:52,560 --> 02:09:57,310
certainly be there for questions so.

3600
02:09:57,320 --> 02:10:01,390
» Okay, thank you Gordon.

3601
02:10:01,400 --> 02:10:03,880
Alrighty, next an ordinance amending the

3602
02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:06,360
zone map classification of real property

3603
02:10:06,360 --> 02:10:09,320
generally located at 5107 South 180 East

3604
02:10:09,320 --> 02:10:11,200
from the planned industrial commercial

3605
02:10:11,200 --> 02:10:13,360
zone to the planned industrial

3606
02:10:13,360 --> 02:10:15,960
commercial data center overlay zone.

3607
02:10:15,960 --> 02:10:25,630
This will be presented by Dustin Wright.

3608
02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:28,000
» All right, thank you. So, here's the

3609
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:29,360
site

3610
02:10:29,360 --> 02:10:32,200
we're looking at on this item

3611
02:10:32,200 --> 02:10:34,480
for this data center.

3612
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:36,240
Here's a closer look at the property,

3613
02:10:36,240 --> 02:10:38,680
the zoning on it is zoned planned

3614
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:40,440
industrial commercial and they're

3615
02:10:40,440 --> 02:10:42,880
looking to get the data center overlay,

3616
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:44,600
so that new overlay

3617
02:10:44,600 --> 02:10:48,240
zone that we have applied to it.

3618
02:10:48,240 --> 02:10:49,320
Um

3619
02:10:49,320 --> 02:10:53,520
general plan just more on the site.

3620
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:54,600
I'm just kind of skipping through these.

3621
02:10:54,600 --> 02:10:56,080
If there's anything we want to jump back

3622
02:10:56,080 --> 02:10:57,800
on, I'd be happy to, but there's a look

3623
02:10:57,800 --> 02:11:00,000
at it.

3624
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:03,280
And here's the proposed site plan.

3625
02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:05,080
Um

3626
02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:06,920
So, they're they originally started

3627
02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:08,360
looking at doing on-site power

3628
02:11:08,360 --> 02:11:09,800
generation.

3629
02:11:09,800 --> 02:11:11,160
Through the process they've moved away

3630
02:11:11,160 --> 02:11:12,400
from that. They're they're looking to

3631
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:13,800
just do

3632
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:17,360
um power generation or sorry, power from

3633
02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:19,320
the Provo City grid.

3634
02:11:19,320 --> 02:11:22,200
Um and they've proffered to put that

3635
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:23,600
into a development agreement that they

3636
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:25,360
wouldn't do any on-site power

3637
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:26,840
generation.

3638
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:28,080
Uh the other thing that they've

3639
02:11:28,080 --> 02:11:29,120
proffered to put in development

3640
02:11:29,120 --> 02:11:31,520
agreement would be for a closed-loop

3641
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:33,600
water system to

3642
02:11:33,600 --> 02:11:34,640
um

3643
02:11:34,640 --> 02:11:36,480
address the

3644
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:39,080
um water usage that we often hear that

3645
02:11:39,080 --> 02:11:41,880
comes with data centers and so that'll

3646
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:43,960
be a closed-loop system to reduce the

3647
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:47,040
amount of water that gets used there.

3648
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:48,600
Um the other thing that came up at the

3649
02:11:48,600 --> 02:11:51,640
planning commission related to that was

3650
02:11:51,640 --> 02:11:53,320
um

3651
02:11:53,320 --> 02:11:55,920
about that I guess after a certain

3652
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:58,480
amount of time they needed re-change

3653
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:00,800
that water with some new stuff

3654
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:02,320
and

3655
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:02,920
um

3656
02:12:02,920 --> 02:12:04,320
there's concerns that potentially could

3657
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:05,960
be like a sludge that gets built up and

3658
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:08,880
discharged into the city system.

3659
02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:11,120
They are not going to discharge into the

3660
02:12:11,120 --> 02:12:12,520
city system. They would have a

3661
02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:14,960
third-party come and do that, so they

3662
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:17,240
also proffered to put that in

3663
02:12:17,240 --> 02:12:18,360
to the development agreement. I don't

3664
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:20,720
think that's in our current draft of the

3665
02:12:20,720 --> 02:12:22,200
development agreement, but I think

3666
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:24,000
that's something that can get added.

3667
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:25,360
Um

3668
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:27,040
So, that's kind of a quick overview on

3669
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:28,400
this

3670
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:29,760
um

3671
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:31,320
project. If there's any questions for

3672
02:12:31,320 --> 02:12:35,190
me, I'd be happy to answer those.

3673
02:12:35,200 --> 02:12:38,320
» Any questions for Dustin?

3674
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:43,950
All right. Thanks, Dustin. Sure.

3675
02:12:43,960 --> 02:12:45,640
All right. Well, we are way ahead of

3676
02:12:45,640 --> 02:12:46,880
schedule.

3677
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:49,800
So, we all are going to get Let's do a

3678
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:51,280
15-minute break. You want to do a

3679
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:53,120
15-minute break?

3680
02:12:53,120 --> 02:12:54,360
10 minutes?

3681
02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:58,560
Let's do 15. Oh, wait. Or

3682
02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:00,680
We don't want them to come early, so

3683
02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:02,160
>> Yeah, it's just so

3684
02:13:02,160 --> 02:13:02,520
>> Yeah.

3685
02:13:02,520 --> 02:13:04,080
15 to 20 minutes.

3686
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:07,590
>> Yeah, you have 20 minutes.

3687
02:13:07,600 --> 02:13:11,790
» Recording stopped.

3688
02:13:11,800 --> 02:13:14,000
Recording in progress.

3689
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:15,480
>> There's no presentation regarding the

3690
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:17,240
table of contents for the budget slide

3691
02:13:17,240 --> 02:13:19,400
to be presented by our chief. Do we have

3692
02:13:19,400 --> 02:13:28,670
anything?

3693
02:13:28,680 --> 02:13:29,640
» This will work.

3694
02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:30,000
>> Yes, sir.

3695
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:31,240
>> Okay, thank you.

3696
02:13:31,240 --> 02:13:33,600
Um thank you. I appreciate you all

3697
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:35,160
giving me a little bit of time to talk

3698
02:13:35,160 --> 02:13:36,560
about our budget. We'll start off with

3699
02:13:36,560 --> 02:13:38,200
just some of the highlights that uh

3700
02:13:38,200 --> 02:13:40,480
we've done some of our successes in the

3701
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:41,960
past year.

3702
02:13:41,960 --> 02:13:44,080
Um one of our big successes is our

3703
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:45,680
Wooley program. I talked about it every

3704
02:13:45,680 --> 02:13:47,680
year. Um

3705
02:13:47,680 --> 02:13:50,800
We this year we cleaned up 281 cubic

3706
02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:53,480
yards of debris debris throughout uh

3707
02:13:53,480 --> 02:13:56,040
different areas in the city that needed

3708
02:13:56,040 --> 02:13:58,080
uh stuff cleaned up.

3709
02:13:58,080 --> 02:13:59,800
Another really big success is our

3710
02:13:59,800 --> 02:14:03,000
shoreline uh Bonneville shoreline trail.

3711
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:06,600
We We've stopped two fires this year

3712
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:09,200
where um the aggressive fire attack was

3713
02:14:09,200 --> 02:14:11,680
able to get ahead of fires and stop it

3714
02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:13,800
at that trail where our crew had gone

3715
02:14:13,800 --> 02:14:15,560
through and cleared it. So,

3716
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:17,920
super proud of the the work that both

3717
02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:20,680
the firefighters do as well as the

3718
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:23,160
um the crew that goes and cleans them

3719
02:14:23,160 --> 02:14:24,440
up. So,

3720
02:14:24,440 --> 02:14:26,440
our fire prevention office has done some

3721
02:14:26,440 --> 02:14:28,160
great work with a bunch of

3722
02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:31,000
business inspections. Uh we've had 57

3723
02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:32,960
fires they've investigated over the last

3724
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:35,720
year and we've tested 80% of our

3725
02:14:35,720 --> 02:14:38,680
hydrants so far.

3726
02:14:38,680 --> 02:14:44,440
Uh we've also been able to acquire two new engines. The the fire engine up

3727
02:14:44,440 --> 02:14:47,560
there kind on your right is we have two

3728
02:14:47,560 --> 02:14:49,200
of those.

3729
02:14:49,200 --> 02:14:51,800
And we also got an ARFF truck which was

3730
02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:53,800
FAA funded

3731
02:14:53,800 --> 02:14:55,720
and a new ambulance.

3732
02:14:55,720 --> 02:14:58,520
Uh airport rescue firefighting truck.

3733
02:14:58,520 --> 02:14:59,680
Sorry.

3734
02:14:59,680 --> 02:15:02,160
Um and we we are putting on a heavy

3735
02:15:02,160 --> 02:15:04,680
rescue school in this this spring

3736
02:15:04,680 --> 02:15:07,720
starting in the end of March.

3737
02:15:07,720 --> 02:15:10,080
Um and that teaches all of our technical

3738
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:11,960
rescue skills.

3739
02:15:11,960 --> 02:15:14,640
Confined space, trench rescue, uh high

3740
02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:18,670
angle rescue, all those kind of things.

3741
02:15:18,680 --> 02:15:20,560
» Hey sir, do you teach that to other

3742
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:21,640
people in the area?

3743
02:15:21,640 --> 02:15:25,120
>> It's it's a countywide team and so we

3744
02:15:25,120 --> 02:15:26,440
have

3745
02:15:26,440 --> 02:15:29,880
seven seven people going to to class. Um

3746
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:32,520
there's closer to 30 in the class so

3747
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:35,600
it's countywide training. A lot our

3748
02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:38,000
instructors teach a portion of it and

3749
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:40,680
then instructors from around the county

3750
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:42,440
help teach it as well.

3751
02:15:42,440 --> 02:15:44,000
Uh we were able to send eight

3752
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:45,720
firefighters to

3753
02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:48,120
uh paramedic school this last year and

3754
02:15:48,120 --> 02:15:50,560
that was

3755
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:52,960
a successful uh budget appropriation

3756
02:15:52,960 --> 02:15:55,560
from you from last year to get us the

3757
02:15:55,560 --> 02:15:57,680
funding so we could could get that many

3758
02:15:57,680 --> 02:16:01,510
students into school.

3759
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:03,560
Uh we do deploy our wildland team

3760
02:16:03,560 --> 02:16:06,240
throughout the country. Uh

3761
02:16:06,240 --> 02:16:08,280
we've been to a lot of different places.

3762
02:16:08,280 --> 02:16:11,720
We uh we go all over, mostly the west.

3763
02:16:11,720 --> 02:16:13,120
Um

3764
02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:17,440
they deploy for 14 days at a time, and

3765
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:19,640
uh the biggest benefit to this program

3766
02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:21,560
though is that it helps prepare us for

3767
02:16:21,560 --> 02:16:23,880
when we have wildland fires across the

3768
02:16:23,880 --> 02:16:26,600
Wasatch Front. Uh it helps get us

3769
02:16:26,600 --> 02:16:29,560
trained uh people people that are

3770
02:16:29,560 --> 02:16:31,640
qualified and trained in the in the

3771
02:16:31,640 --> 02:16:34,280
wildland industry. So, it's a it's a big

3772
02:16:34,280 --> 02:16:36,120
success for us.

3773
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:38,719
Um so, some some supplemental requests.

3774
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:40,360
This first one is not a supplemental

3775
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:43,480
request. It's just uh

3776
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:45,880
kind of an informational thing. We We

3777
02:16:45,880 --> 02:16:47,240
have the nine firefighters that were

3778
02:16:47,240 --> 02:16:49,200
hired with the SAFER grant. That grant

3779
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:52,080
runs out in March. However, there's

3780
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:55,760
going to be roughly 600,000 650,000. We

3781
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:58,760
don't have the exact numbers yet, but

3782
02:16:58,760 --> 02:17:01,120
a portion of that will be remaining from

3783
02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:02,360
what we were

3784
02:17:02,360 --> 02:17:04,040
awarded with the grant, and we're going

3785
02:17:04,040 --> 02:17:06,160
to reapply for that. And the intent is

3786
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:08,160
to pay for that to fund us through the

3787
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:11,160
rest of the year of fiscal year '27, and

3788
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:13,480
hopefully a little bit into fiscal year

3789
02:17:13,480 --> 02:17:15,200
'28.

3790
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:18,000
Uh then on the next item is to hire

3791
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:20,960
three new firefighters, and the intent

3792
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:25,200
there is to cut our overtime budget by the cost

3793
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:27,800
of adding the three new firefighters.

3794
02:17:27,800 --> 02:17:29,480
And what that's going to do for us is

3795
02:17:29,480 --> 02:17:30,920
help us

3796
02:17:30,920 --> 02:17:31,639
um

3797
02:17:31,639 --> 02:17:33,519
we when we send people to paramedic

3798
02:17:33,519 --> 02:17:35,760
school, they have to take time off. If

3799
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:37,400
people call in sick, they take time off,

3800
02:17:37,400 --> 02:17:40,320
which in turn costs us overtime to

3801
02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:42,320
backfill so we always have firefighters

3802
02:17:42,320 --> 02:17:44,719
in their positions. And this will allow

3803
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:48,080
us to have some depth in

3804
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:51,000
it on each shift. So, three gives us one

3805
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:54,120
per shift. Um and that just will will

3806
02:17:54,120 --> 02:17:56,679
give us a little little depth and and

3807
02:17:56,679 --> 02:17:58,400
take a little pressure off our overtime

3808
02:17:58,400 --> 02:17:59,840
situation.

3809
02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:01,760
Uh the 36,000

3810
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:04,040
uh is for one-time

3811
02:18:04,040 --> 02:18:07,240
equipment purchases for PPE, turnouts,

3812
02:18:07,240 --> 02:18:09,080
radios, those kind of things that we

3813
02:18:09,080 --> 02:18:11,639
need when we add an employee.

3814
02:18:11,639 --> 02:18:16,160
Um, the next item is for EMS equipment.

3815
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:19,000
Uh, the 9,000 is for I simulate program,

3816
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:22,200
which is a software that will help us

3817
02:18:22,200 --> 02:18:25,240
better train for cardiac events.

3818
02:18:25,240 --> 02:18:29,990
Uh, the 11 uh, 15,115,000

3819
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:31,880
is for five new ventilators to replace

3820
02:18:31,880 --> 02:18:34,120
our ventilators that are 15 years old

3821
02:18:34,120 --> 02:18:35,160
and

3822
02:18:35,160 --> 02:18:36,840
very difficult to get them serviced

3823
02:18:36,840 --> 02:18:38,080
anymore.

3824
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:41,639
Um, and then 4,800 for new airway bags,

3825
02:18:41,639 --> 02:18:43,519
which we

3826
02:18:43,519 --> 02:18:45,200
we'd like to replace these things all at

3827
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:47,440
once so that when

3828
02:18:47,440 --> 02:18:49,080
if we change,

3829
02:18:49,080 --> 02:18:50,679
they're all the same. So, when a

3830
02:18:50,679 --> 02:18:52,080
firefighter goes from a different

3831
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:53,880
station or a different ambulance, they

3832
02:18:53,880 --> 02:18:55,880
know exactly where

3833
02:18:55,880 --> 02:18:57,400
whatever equipment is in there, they

3834
02:18:57,400 --> 02:18:58,519
know where to get their innovation

3835
02:18:58,519 --> 02:19:00,040
equipment, and it's in the exact same

3836
02:19:00,040 --> 02:19:01,679
place every time.

3837
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:03,679
Um, and then we have fire training.

3838
02:19:03,679 --> 02:19:06,400
We've asked for $11,000.

3839
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:09,840
8,000 of that's for a connex, two connex

3840
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:12,440
um, boxes where we would put them at

3841
02:19:12,440 --> 02:19:15,320
station three behind back by the tower

3842
02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:17,719
and use those for training.

3843
02:19:17,719 --> 02:19:21,320
Uh, and then two $3,000 mannequins, or

3844
02:19:21,320 --> 02:19:24,920
3,000 for two mannequins.

3845
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:26,280
>> Can you describe what we mean by a

3846
02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:27,599
connex box?

3847
02:19:27,599 --> 02:19:30,120
>> Yeah, um, so

3848
02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:32,480
it's a metal box

3849
02:19:32,480 --> 02:19:37,360
that is roughly 8 ft wide and

3850
02:19:37,360 --> 02:19:39,320
I don't know, probably 8 ft tall.

3851
02:19:39,320 --> 02:19:42,280
There's that has the big bifold doors.

3852
02:19:42,280 --> 02:19:44,880
You'll see them on semis often, but

3853
02:19:44,880 --> 02:19:47,840
people use them for storage or in our

3854
02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:48,960
case, we're going to use them for

3855
02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:51,600
storage as well as um,

3856
02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:53,360
we'll use them for setting up training

3857
02:19:53,360 --> 02:19:55,400
props for different kinds of firefighter

3858
02:19:55,400 --> 02:19:58,270
training.

3859
02:19:58,280 --> 02:20:00,280
It's exactly what it is. Shipping

3860
02:20:00,280 --> 02:20:03,080
containers a good way to say it.

3861
02:20:03,080 --> 02:20:04,800
>> Just wanted people to understand why a

3862
02:20:04,800 --> 02:20:06,840
box would cost that much.

3863
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:09,120
>> Yeah, that's for two of them, but

3864
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:09,640
they are

3865
02:20:09,640 --> 02:20:10,440
>> Yeah.

3866
02:20:10,440 --> 02:20:12,440
But they're not just like a little tub

3867
02:20:12,440 --> 02:20:13,400
that you can put in the back of your

3868
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:13,920
car.

3869
02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:15,560
>> Yeah.

3870
02:20:15,560 --> 02:20:16,880
Thank you.

3871
02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:19,120
Um, so

3872
02:20:19,120 --> 02:20:21,400
one of the questions is what are we

3873
02:20:21,400 --> 02:20:24,880
how are we recovering our costs and

3874
02:20:24,880 --> 02:20:27,280
we bill for our EMS standbys, which we

3875
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:30,240
do a lot of with BYU as well as for

3876
02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:31,880
marathons and different events

3877
02:20:31,880 --> 02:20:34,320
throughout the city. And then we deploy

3878
02:20:34,320 --> 02:20:36,640
when we deploy, we bill for that.

3879
02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:38,840
Uh, so far our revenue for this budget

3880
02:20:38,840 --> 02:20:42,280
year is $293,000.

3881
02:20:42,280 --> 02:20:43,800
We've billed more than that, but that's

3882
02:20:43,800 --> 02:20:46,040
the revenue.

3883
02:20:46,040 --> 02:20:48,320
Um, one of the things that we're pretty

3884
02:20:48,320 --> 02:20:50,080
proud of is our employee retention in

3885
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:51,800
the fire department.

3886
02:20:51,800 --> 02:20:55,040
Um, we we're down two firefighters now

3887
02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:56,800
due to retirements. We have one more

3888
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:58,960
retirement that's looming.

3889
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:02,920
Um, and we feel like the city and the

3890
02:21:02,920 --> 02:21:05,400
mayor and the council have been

3891
02:21:05,400 --> 02:21:07,000
instrumental in helping us keep

3892
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:08,640
employees by

3893
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:11,000
competitive pay, um,

3894
02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:13,080
keeping our merit steps and

3895
02:21:13,080 --> 02:21:15,240
uh, the cola raises we've had over the

3896
02:21:15,240 --> 02:21:17,120
years, but also probably the thing that

3897
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:18,560
we're the most proud of is the culture

3898
02:21:18,560 --> 02:21:20,240
here in Provo City.

3899
02:21:20,240 --> 02:21:21,520
People

3900
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:23,760
as you saw in our last when we did our

3901
02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:25,720
last new hire, we're we're bringing in

3902
02:21:25,720 --> 02:21:28,120
people from other departments

3903
02:21:28,120 --> 02:21:30,840
that have a lot of experience and that's

3904
02:21:30,840 --> 02:21:34,080
because we have a great culture here.

3905
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:44,310
And that's the end of my presentation.

3906
02:21:44,320 --> 02:21:47,800
» Thank Keith. Um, I just wanted to I was

3907
02:21:47,800 --> 02:21:49,920
just a curious on a couple points. So,

3908
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:52,640
the nearly $300,000 of wildland

3909
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:54,960
deployments, is that typical

3910
02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:56,200
or

3911
02:21:56,200 --> 02:21:58,040
is this year atypical?

3912
02:21:58,040 --> 02:22:01,600
>> This year, it depends. This that's lower

3913
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:02,480
than last year.

3914
02:22:02,480 --> 02:22:03,120
>> Okay.

3915
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:06,720
>> So, I would say that's pretty typical or

3916
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:08,240
more.

3917
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:09,520
or revenue.

3918
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:11,920
>> And are there any marginal costs or

3919
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:13,440
incremental costs associated with those

3920
02:22:13,440 --> 02:22:14,920
deployments on our end or is it purely

3921
02:22:14,920 --> 02:22:15,840
just

3922
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:17,440
money that comes to us as sort of bottom

3923
02:22:17,440 --> 02:22:18,240
line profit?

3924
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:19,880
>> Why it changes, you mean?

3925
02:22:19,880 --> 02:22:22,640
>> No, I'm just saying that that 294,000,

3926
02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:24,640
do we take on any additional costs to

3927
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:26,720
deploy or is that fully covered and we

3928
02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:28,840
just get the 294 as revenue?

3929
02:22:28,840 --> 02:22:31,680
>> So, we billed closer to 500,000.

3930
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:32,160
>> Okay.

3931
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:33,560
>> And uh

3932
02:22:33,560 --> 02:22:35,440
so, there's costs for the employees to

3933
02:22:35,440 --> 02:22:36,600
go.

3934
02:22:36,600 --> 02:22:38,680
>> But those are all fixed.

3935
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:39,680
They're all full-time employees,

3936
02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:40,120
correct?

3937
02:22:40,120 --> 02:22:42,080
>> Yeah, but there's some overtime costs

3938
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:45,520
cuz they're working non- every day for

3939
02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:48,840
14 days at a time plus travel time. So,

3940
02:22:48,840 --> 02:22:51,080
yeah, there are some there are costs

3941
02:22:51,080 --> 02:22:52,680
that are in in addition to the regular

3942
02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:54,000
full-time employment.

3943
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:55,520
>> Okay.

3944
02:22:55,520 --> 02:22:57,120
Um

3945
02:22:57,120 --> 02:22:59,280
>> The one thing I didn't mention is that

3946
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:01,840
program pays for our woo-wee program.

3947
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:04,880
So, part of that 293,000 dollars in

3948
02:23:04,880 --> 02:23:08,120
revenue is what funds us to have the

3949
02:23:08,120 --> 02:23:10,640
people out cleaning up brush and and

3950
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:12,720
making sure that we're doing the best we

3951
02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:16,920
can to minimize our exposure to wildland

3952
02:23:16,920 --> 02:23:19,040
urban interface fires.

3953
02:23:19,040 --> 02:23:20,160
>> Thank you.

3954
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:21,120
And thanks for all your help with the

3955
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:22,400
Buckeye draw. That was right by my

3956
02:23:22,400 --> 02:23:24,480
house, so I appreciate the great effort

3957
02:23:24,480 --> 02:23:25,480
from those.

3958
02:23:25,480 --> 02:23:26,080
>> Thank you.

3959
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:46,230
>> Fire day.

3960
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:49,350
All right.

3961
02:23:49,360 --> 02:23:51,040
Oh, I just say I didn't submit that

3962
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:53,480
blurry so what's going on there.

3963
02:23:53,480 --> 02:23:55,200
Um, it's nice to see everybody again.

3964
02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:56,520
Thank you for the opportunity to talk

3965
02:23:56,520 --> 02:23:58,640
about our budget.

3966
02:23:58,640 --> 02:24:00,200
Um

3967
02:24:00,200 --> 02:24:03,680
and enter to the the questions that were submitted by

3968
02:24:03,680 --> 02:24:07,920
the council in summary, we are making do

3969
02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:10,240
with the budget that we have so we don't

3970
02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:11,600
have any

3971
02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:13,240
I don't believe we have any unfunded or

3972
02:24:13,240 --> 02:24:15,200
underfunded needs.

3973
02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:16,960
We don't have any supplemental requests

3974
02:24:16,960 --> 02:24:19,320
last year or this year and don't feel

3975
02:24:19,320 --> 02:24:21,640
like we are currently constrained in any

3976
02:24:21,640 --> 02:24:23,680
of the things that we do based on our

3977
02:24:23,680 --> 02:24:25,360
available budget.

3978
02:24:25,360 --> 02:24:27,760
We do have you know, like with other

3979
02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:29,160
things we have a lot of third-party

3980
02:24:29,160 --> 02:24:31,880
vendors that provide services to us for

3981
02:24:31,880 --> 02:24:34,000
you know, drug testing background checks

3982
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:35,880
and stuff and and those are periodically

3983
02:24:35,880 --> 02:24:38,400
going but we've been able to offset

3984
02:24:38,400 --> 02:24:40,200
those increases by trying to find

3985
02:24:40,200 --> 02:24:41,800
efficiencies

3986
02:24:41,800 --> 02:24:43,920
elsewhere.

3987
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:45,480
One of the things as an internal service

3988
02:24:45,480 --> 02:24:47,640
fund we are very limited in in our

3989
02:24:47,640 --> 02:24:50,200
ability to collect revenues

3990
02:24:50,200 --> 02:24:52,360
or you know,

3991
02:24:52,360 --> 02:24:54,280
recover some of those costs and so our

3992
02:24:54,280 --> 02:24:56,240
focus has always been on

3993
02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:59,280
doing things as efficiently as possible.

3994
02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:00,880
And I wanted to

3995
02:25:00,880 --> 02:25:03,000
highlight some of those strategies that

3996
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:04,480
we use

3997
02:25:04,480 --> 02:25:07,000
as a good example. We regularly go out

3998
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:09,560
to to bid for service renewals. This

3999
02:25:09,560 --> 02:25:11,720
came into play last year as we got a

4000
02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:13,520
renewal for our workers comp which is

4001
02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:14,960
obviously

4002
02:25:14,960 --> 02:25:16,600
tied to our performance how many

4003
02:25:16,600 --> 02:25:18,920
accidents that we have.

4004
02:25:18,920 --> 02:25:21,880
We had a a bid for our existing vendor

4005
02:25:21,880 --> 02:25:24,120
and we went out and a

4006
02:25:24,120 --> 02:25:26,120
competitor vendor came in and we were

4007
02:25:26,120 --> 02:25:28,480
able to save $160,000

4008
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:30,760
with our renewal last year

4009
02:25:30,760 --> 02:25:32,920
which was very good for us.

4010
02:25:32,920 --> 02:25:35,120
Also

4011
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:37,040
one of the our big expenses that gets

4012
02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:38,440
filled by all the departments is our

4013
02:25:38,440 --> 02:25:40,160
benefits renewal. These are medical

4014
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:42,040
insurances.

4015
02:25:42,040 --> 02:25:44,360
Right now our renewal rates are beating

4016
02:25:44,360 --> 02:25:47,760
national trends. So, we look at the

4017
02:25:47,760 --> 02:25:49,480
Milliman index, which is the cost of

4018
02:25:49,480 --> 02:25:51,680
living indicator for medical insurance.

4019
02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:53,040
That's coming in in this new year at

4020
02:25:53,040 --> 02:25:55,560
6.1% and actually our renewal is

4021
02:25:55,560 --> 02:25:58,760
currently trending below that, which is

4022
02:25:58,760 --> 02:26:00,720
a great testament to our employees

4023
02:26:00,720 --> 02:26:03,320
making very educated, smart medical

4024
02:26:03,320 --> 02:26:06,080
decisions that that benefit them.

4025
02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:07,880
That is actually an amazing thing

4026
02:26:07,880 --> 02:26:09,840
considering, you know, if I look around

4027
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:11,480
at some of the other agencies around us,

4028
02:26:11,480 --> 02:26:13,480
they're still, you know, having

4029
02:26:13,480 --> 02:26:16,120
increases above that Milliman index. And

4030
02:26:16,120 --> 02:26:19,120
so, Provo is doing it right and we're

4031
02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:21,640
quite proud of that. Um one of the other

4032
02:26:21,640 --> 02:26:24,320
line items that is is benefiting our

4033
02:26:24,320 --> 02:26:26,520
budget is we used to have an old uh

4034
02:26:26,520 --> 02:26:29,520
program if hired employees hired before

4035
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:32,080
1987 carried their medical insurance

4036
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:34,640
coverage up to the time that they're 65

4037
02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:38,280
for them and their spouses. And uh as we

4038
02:26:38,280 --> 02:26:41,360
get farther and farther away from 1987,

4039
02:26:41,360 --> 02:26:42,160
uh

4040
02:26:42,160 --> 02:26:44,320
we have retirees that are aging out of

4041
02:26:44,320 --> 02:26:47,240
that program, which has a a decreasing

4042
02:26:47,240 --> 02:26:50,160
line item for us, which is very helpful.

4043
02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:53,120
Uh and then last another good example of

4044
02:26:53,120 --> 02:26:54,240
kind of the way we're trying to be

4045
02:26:54,240 --> 02:26:57,240
efficient is in this last year we signed

4046
02:26:57,240 --> 02:26:58,320
up with

4047
02:26:58,320 --> 02:27:01,600
an AI vendor for our Workday support.

4048
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:03,560
Uh this allows us to access that system

4049
02:27:03,560 --> 02:27:05,440
to say if we need to change our

4050
02:27:05,440 --> 02:27:07,400
configuration, we can input it to that

4051
02:27:07,400 --> 02:27:09,560
and they educate us on how to do that.

4052
02:27:09,560 --> 02:27:12,720
That's significantly cut down on having

4053
02:27:12,720 --> 02:27:15,240
staff on hand that have to, you know, be

4054
02:27:15,240 --> 02:27:17,000
available to to teach us how to do that.

4055
02:27:17,000 --> 02:27:19,040
So, these are some of the efficiencies

4056
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:21,200
that I think we do really well.

4057
02:27:21,200 --> 02:27:22,800
Uh just to highlight

4058
02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:24,280
some of the key areas in our

4059
02:27:24,280 --> 02:27:27,320
recruitment, our full-time turnover is

4060
02:27:27,320 --> 02:27:29,040
trending downwards.

4061
02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:33,000
Uh all of our performance indicators in the written report are they're moving

4062
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:34,440
in the right direction. This is one of

4063
02:27:34,440 --> 02:27:36,360
the ones that we focus on.

4064
02:27:36,360 --> 02:27:38,120
And so, our full-time turnover is

4065
02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:40,800
trending downwards. Uh more importantly,

4066
02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:42,960
our turnover for other employment is

4067
02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:45,120
also heading in the right direction.

4068
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:45,880
Uh

4069
02:27:45,880 --> 02:27:48,160
we've been making it uh emphasis on

4070
02:27:48,160 --> 02:27:49,760
reducing number of days from the close

4071
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:51,800
of position to selection. We've actually

4072
02:27:51,800 --> 02:27:54,120
shaved off 6 days since the last time we

4073
02:27:54,120 --> 02:27:55,720
made this a goal.

4074
02:27:55,720 --> 02:27:57,400
Uh and then we do our executive

4075
02:27:57,400 --> 02:27:59,040
recruitments in house, which each time

4076
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:01,040
that we do it in house saves us about 20

4077
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:06,280
to 25,000 dollars from hiring a consultant. Uh

4078
02:28:06,280 --> 02:28:08,040
Chief Edman uh mentioned a couple of

4079
02:28:08,040 --> 02:28:10,720
these in his presentation, but in fiscal

4080
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:13,400
year 2026, uh we did our annual grade

4081
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:15,800
study again. Uh we implemented our 2 and

4082
02:28:15,800 --> 02:28:18,680
1/2% cola and our annual merit raises.

4083
02:28:18,680 --> 02:28:21,200
These are all factors that go into

4084
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:23,200
moving our turnover down in the in the

4085
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:25,800
right direction, as well.

4086
02:28:25,800 --> 02:28:28,600
Uh benefits in 2026, as I mentioned

4087
02:28:28,600 --> 02:28:29,880
earlier, we changed our workers' comp

4088
02:28:29,880 --> 02:28:31,280
carrier and saved us money there. We

4089
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:32,320
also

4090
02:28:32,320 --> 02:28:33,640
uh reconfigured some of our health

4091
02:28:33,640 --> 02:28:35,920
insurances, went to self-funded plans,

4092
02:28:35,920 --> 02:28:38,520
uh that saved us about 80,000. Uh in our

4093
02:28:38,520 --> 02:28:41,000
dental, uh we had a 0% increase on our

4094
02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:43,400
stop-loss premium. Uh

4095
02:28:43,400 --> 02:28:46,120
just to give you a a sense if a 10%

4096
02:28:46,120 --> 02:28:48,320
increase in your stop-loss premium is

4097
02:28:48,320 --> 02:28:51,040
about another additional 250,000

4098
02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:55,000
in premium costs. And so, that 0%

4099
02:28:55,000 --> 02:28:57,760
uh is we're quite proud of that.

4100
02:28:57,760 --> 02:29:00,440
And then uh we did enhance 401K for our

4101
02:29:00,440 --> 02:29:02,760
non-social security participants. Uh one

4102
02:29:02,760 --> 02:29:04,320
of the key things that we did this last

4103
02:29:04,320 --> 02:29:05,840
year that helped retention, as well.

4104
02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:08,040
Those are, if you recall, for public

4105
02:29:08,040 --> 02:29:09,920
safety. Uh they're the ones who don't

4106
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:11,840
participate in social security.

4107
02:29:11,840 --> 02:29:13,880
Our wellness, uh as we went through our

4108
02:29:13,880 --> 02:29:15,520
benefits negotiations, we actually were

4109
02:29:15,520 --> 02:29:17,360
able to secure another 20,000 dollars in

4110
02:29:17,360 --> 02:29:19,360
credits from our thing. So, that allowed

4111
02:29:19,360 --> 02:29:21,560
us to reduce some of the money that we

4112
02:29:21,560 --> 02:29:23,960
had set aside for our wellness program.

4113
02:29:23,960 --> 02:29:26,760
And so, we used that money to then roll

4114
02:29:26,760 --> 02:29:29,440
out a summer wellness program. Uh that

4115
02:29:29,440 --> 02:29:30,680
ended up doubling our wellness

4116
02:29:30,680 --> 02:29:33,400
participants. Some of you participated

4117
02:29:33,400 --> 02:29:35,200
in that and hiked the mountains around

4118
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:37,480
us. So, that was pretty cool.

4119
02:29:37,480 --> 02:29:39,280
Uh always want to give a shout out to

4120
02:29:39,280 --> 02:29:41,360
payroll, mainly because

4121
02:29:41,360 --> 02:29:43,440
right before I hired on, payroll was a

4122
02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:45,920
mess. It was constantly

4123
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:48,960
there and always, you know, having to

4124
02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:50,880
change things and I always want to

4125
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:53,240
remember that our payroll staff is doing

4126
02:29:53,240 --> 02:29:54,880
a stellar job.

4127
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:56,360
We get it done accurately and

4128
02:29:56,360 --> 02:29:57,760
efficiently.

4129
02:29:57,760 --> 02:30:00,600
Passed a couple of audits from URS in

4130
02:30:00,600 --> 02:30:02,880
this last year. So, I want to make sure

4131
02:30:02,880 --> 02:30:05,800
they get a shout out. And then our last,

4132
02:30:05,800 --> 02:30:07,880
you know, our records management area,

4133
02:30:07,880 --> 02:30:10,280
our software that we use, Workday,

4134
02:30:10,280 --> 02:30:13,040
we renewed our contract with them for 3

4135
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:15,120
years at less than the amount that we

4136
02:30:15,120 --> 02:30:17,160
have on our current one

4137
02:30:17,160 --> 02:30:20,360
by changing some of the configurations.

4138
02:30:20,360 --> 02:30:23,080
And then I mentioned the using AI to

4139
02:30:23,080 --> 02:30:25,480
reduce our tech support costs. So,

4140
02:30:25,480 --> 02:30:27,880
for all, you know, in summary, our

4141
02:30:27,880 --> 02:30:29,280
budget looks really good for the next

4142
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:32,320
year. And not making any additional

4143
02:30:32,320 --> 02:30:35,520
requests. So, any questions?

4144
02:30:35,520 --> 02:30:40,430
>> Any questions for Daniel?

4145
02:30:40,440 --> 02:30:41,240
Councilor Way.

4146
02:30:41,240 --> 02:30:42,760
>> Uh no question, but I just want to say

4147
02:30:42,760 --> 02:30:44,360
thank you for finding smart

4148
02:30:44,360 --> 02:30:45,200
efficiencies.

4149
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:46,440
>> Yeah. It's a really good example. Thank

4150
02:30:46,440 --> 02:30:46,920
you.

4151
02:30:46,920 --> 02:30:50,230
>> Thank you.

4152
02:30:50,240 --> 02:30:55,230
Okay.

4153
02:30:55,240 --> 02:30:57,760
» I just have a legal

4154
02:30:57,760 --> 02:31:00,160
So, I'm enjoying our senior staff.

4155
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:01,600
>> Good. Thank you, Chair McKay,

4156
02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:04,990
councilors, mayor.

4157
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:08,120
All right. Thank you, Kevin.

4158
02:31:08,120 --> 02:31:11,080
Well, first of all, just in case any of

4159
02:31:11,080 --> 02:31:13,680
them are watching, shout out to my team.

4160
02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:16,160
We've got a fantastic team up in legal.

4161
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:18,560
A great atmosphere and great people and

4162
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:19,520
I love working with them. It's a

4163
02:31:19,520 --> 02:31:21,040
pleasure to come to work every day and

4164
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:22,560
work with the people that I work with.

4165
02:31:22,560 --> 02:31:23,840
Not only in the office, but throughout

4166
02:31:23,840 --> 02:31:25,720
the entire city.

4167
02:31:25,720 --> 02:31:27,240
So,

4168
02:31:27,240 --> 02:31:29,560
we're divided into three divisions. Here

4169
02:31:29,560 --> 02:31:31,480
are the things that we do, most of which

4170
02:31:31,480 --> 02:31:33,720
you've seen before.

4171
02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:37,040
Our primary goal kind of similar to what

4172
02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:38,560
Daniel was just saying, we're an

4173
02:31:38,560 --> 02:31:40,240
internal service department. Our whole

4174
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:41,680
goal is just to serve the rest of the

4175
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:43,640
city. All we do is provide service to

4176
02:31:43,640 --> 02:31:44,960
everybody else.

4177
02:31:44,960 --> 02:31:46,560
is awesome, so we try to

4178
02:31:46,560 --> 02:31:47,800
provide awesome service. That's our

4179
02:31:47,800 --> 02:31:50,630
goal.

4180
02:31:50,640 --> 02:31:52,400
And we do that by working on a number of

4181
02:31:52,400 --> 02:31:54,760
different things. You know, any any

4182
02:31:54,760 --> 02:31:56,080
major initiative that the city's

4183
02:31:56,080 --> 02:31:58,640
involved in, we end up

4184
02:31:58,640 --> 02:32:00,640
being involved in too, which feels

4185
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:02,280
sometimes like taking credit for other

4186
02:32:02,280 --> 02:32:03,520
people's work

4187
02:32:03,520 --> 02:32:05,320
when we try to tout that. But we get

4188
02:32:05,320 --> 02:32:06,600
involved in everything and we work on a

4189
02:32:06,600 --> 02:32:09,480
lot of documents and agreements and and

4190
02:32:09,480 --> 02:32:11,480
partnerships.

4191
02:32:11,480 --> 02:32:14,240
We've had some

4192
02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:15,640
good accomplishments this year with a

4193
02:32:15,640 --> 02:32:17,680
major trial victory that a case has been

4194
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:19,880
going on for 16 years.

4195
02:32:19,880 --> 02:32:21,600
That we finally won.

4196
02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:23,520
We had some real success in claims

4197
02:32:23,520 --> 02:32:25,080
recovery, which is where we actually

4198
02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:28,000
file claims against others trying to

4199
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:30,400
when they damage city property.

4200
02:32:30,400 --> 02:32:32,040
Um

4201
02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:33,840
we are involved in a lot of different

4202
02:32:33,840 --> 02:32:36,000
systems. Again, none of these are really

4203
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:38,000
kind of us by ourselves, but we we try

4204
02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:39,360
to be involved in what everybody else is

4205
02:32:39,360 --> 02:32:41,160
doing and try to help their tools be

4206
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:42,480
better.

4207
02:32:42,480 --> 02:32:44,840
Here are some numbers about the scope of

4208
02:32:44,840 --> 02:32:47,160
our service. We're pretty busy

4209
02:32:47,160 --> 02:32:49,040
all the time.

4210
02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:51,160
And we try to keep up.

4211
02:32:51,160 --> 02:32:53,280
Uh budget-wise

4212
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:55,280
as with some of the other departments,

4213
02:32:55,280 --> 02:32:57,680
ours is pretty much all personnel.

4214
02:32:57,680 --> 02:33:01,160
Uh that's what we do. Here is

4215
02:33:01,160 --> 02:33:03,960
a graph over the last 30 years of our

4216
02:33:03,960 --> 02:33:06,880
budget. Um

4217
02:33:06,880 --> 02:33:09,240
and adjusted for inflation, which I

4218
02:33:09,240 --> 02:33:10,760
always like to throw up there just to

4219
02:33:10,760 --> 02:33:12,560
show that

4220
02:33:12,560 --> 02:33:14,640
we're as Scott likes to say, we're just

4221
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:16,640
trying to do more with less.

4222
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:19,280
Um this is this is kind of a joke slide.

4223
02:33:19,280 --> 02:33:20,960
I labeled this TMI because this is a

4224
02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:22,600
graph that nobody but me understands,

4225
02:33:22,600 --> 02:33:24,200
but I still include it every year cuz

4226
02:33:24,200 --> 02:33:25,640
once I went to the trouble of making it,

4227
02:33:25,640 --> 02:33:26,440
I couldn't take it out of the

4228
02:33:26,440 --> 02:33:30,200
presentation. So, here's the real slide

4229
02:33:30,200 --> 02:33:32,320
for everybody else which just shows that

4230
02:33:32,320 --> 02:33:35,760
our personnel has stayed mainly flat

4231
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:37,840
except for just a couple of times when

4232
02:33:37,840 --> 02:33:39,960
we've been asked to take on additional

4233
02:33:39,960 --> 02:33:41,240
duties.

4234
02:33:41,240 --> 02:33:42,680
And

4235
02:33:42,680 --> 02:33:44,760
here's the one that probably is this is

4236
02:33:44,760 --> 02:33:46,200
my second to last slide and probably the

4237
02:33:46,200 --> 02:33:48,080
only one that's really worth talking

4238
02:33:48,080 --> 02:33:49,800
about as as far as being something new.

4239
02:33:49,800 --> 02:33:51,040
So,

4240
02:33:51,040 --> 02:33:52,240
um

4241
02:33:52,240 --> 02:33:54,840
two years ago, we reported that we had

4242
02:33:54,840 --> 02:33:58,160
applied for one of the city innovation

4243
02:33:58,160 --> 02:34:01,280
grants to start using AI technology in

4244
02:34:01,280 --> 02:34:04,720
our legal research software. And last

4245
02:34:04,720 --> 02:34:06,560
year, we reported that we were we'd

4246
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:08,480
gotten that grant, we had the software,

4247
02:34:08,480 --> 02:34:11,040
we were using it. That we felt like it

4248
02:34:11,040 --> 02:34:13,360
was helping us quite a bit and and

4249
02:34:13,360 --> 02:34:15,400
helping us to be more efficient.

4250
02:34:15,400 --> 02:34:17,720
And then everybody else in the world

4251
02:34:17,720 --> 02:34:19,720
went and got it, too. And now we're

4252
02:34:19,720 --> 02:34:21,880
outnumbered.

4253
02:34:21,880 --> 02:34:24,440
So, the problem that we're facing with

4254
02:34:24,440 --> 02:34:28,560
AI is that when we use AI, it makes us a

4255
02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:31,400
little bit faster. Because we go in and

4256
02:34:31,400 --> 02:34:34,080
we submit the we we use it to do

4257
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:36,720
research, but then we have to vet what

4258
02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:38,120
it tells us

4259
02:34:38,120 --> 02:34:40,600
and make sure that it's accurate and

4260
02:34:40,600 --> 02:34:43,720
still still need to read the cases. And

4261
02:34:43,720 --> 02:34:46,040
we need to um

4262
02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:48,400
edit the documents that it produces for

4263
02:34:48,400 --> 02:34:50,960
us and make sure that they're valid.

4264
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:52,600
Everybody else on the other side doesn't

4265
02:34:52,600 --> 02:34:54,000
have to do that. They just put in

4266
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:56,120
inputs, take the document that they get

4267
02:34:56,120 --> 02:34:58,200
back, and dump it on us.

4268
02:34:58,200 --> 02:35:00,520
And we're seeing ever-increasing numbers

4269
02:35:00,520 --> 02:35:01,960
of that happening all the time. And so,

4270
02:35:01,960 --> 02:35:04,400
the this was kind of our case study.

4271
02:35:04,400 --> 02:35:06,160
We have one case We have one particular

4272
02:35:06,160 --> 02:35:07,840
case and and we've actually got multiple

4273
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:09,280
cases that are in the same category.

4274
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:10,480
This was just one that I threw out

4275
02:35:10,480 --> 02:35:11,440
there.

4276
02:35:11,440 --> 02:35:12,760
We've got one case right now where we've

4277
02:35:12,760 --> 02:35:14,280
got what we call a pro se litigant,

4278
02:35:14,280 --> 02:35:17,040
which is someone who is not represented.

4279
02:35:17,040 --> 02:35:19,880
Historically, those cases were

4280
02:35:19,880 --> 02:35:21,360
frustrating to deal with, but they were

4281
02:35:21,360 --> 02:35:25,040
mainly just a question of dealing with

4282
02:35:25,040 --> 02:35:27,400
10 pages of handwritten of trying to

4283
02:35:27,400 --> 02:35:29,240
decipher 10 pages of handwritten

4284
02:35:29,240 --> 02:35:30,600
arguments that didn't make a lot of

4285
02:35:30,600 --> 02:35:32,000
sense.

4286
02:35:32,000 --> 02:35:34,640
Now, it's turning into those cases are

4287
02:35:34,640 --> 02:35:37,000
hundreds upon hundreds of court filings

4288
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:39,800
that are dozens of pages long that seem

4289
02:35:39,800 --> 02:35:42,160
to make sense until you do all the

4290
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:45,280
research to vet them.

4291
02:35:45,280 --> 02:35:47,920
Uh it's a not just a

4292
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:50,760
city, but a county, statewide, national

4293
02:35:50,760 --> 02:35:53,120
problem. Just last week, I went to a

4294
02:35:53,120 --> 02:35:55,720
meeting of all the city attorneys in

4295
02:35:55,720 --> 02:35:57,640
Utah County. We went out in Saratoga

4296
02:35:57,640 --> 02:36:00,200
Springs, and every single city

4297
02:36:00,200 --> 02:36:02,000
complained that they're facing this.

4298
02:36:02,000 --> 02:36:04,040
It's it's turning into a nationwide

4299
02:36:04,040 --> 02:36:06,280
problem for the court system.

4300
02:36:06,280 --> 02:36:09,320
Uh appeals are up because people are

4301
02:36:09,320 --> 02:36:11,000
losing their case, and then they're

4302
02:36:11,000 --> 02:36:13,480
hopping on Chat GPT and giving it half

4303
02:36:13,480 --> 02:36:14,960
of the information about the case and

4304
02:36:14,960 --> 02:36:17,280
asking if they should appeal. And they

4305
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:18,600
get back that they should, and so they

4306
02:36:18,600 --> 02:36:21,240
appeal. So, appeals are

4307
02:36:21,240 --> 02:36:24,480
up by three or four times in our six

4308
02:36:24,480 --> 02:36:26,760
times. My My criminal deputy is telling

4309
02:36:26,760 --> 02:36:27,520
me.

4310
02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:29,360
So, appeals of criminal cases, which

4311
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:32,320
require brand new trials, are up six

4312
02:36:32,320 --> 02:36:34,640
times over previous numbers.

4313
02:36:34,640 --> 02:36:35,240
Uh

4314
02:36:35,240 --> 02:36:37,520
the civil cases are are going like this.

4315
02:36:37,520 --> 02:36:39,520
It's even just affecting

4316
02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:40,800
um

4317
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:42,640
kind of day-to-day business outside of

4318
02:36:42,640 --> 02:36:44,960
legal cases because

4319
02:36:44,960 --> 02:36:46,600
I've noticed a few instances lately.

4320
02:36:46,600 --> 02:36:47,840
You've probably noticed it yourself

4321
02:36:47,840 --> 02:36:50,360
where we get a question, we answer it,

4322
02:36:50,360 --> 02:36:51,640
we do the research, we answer the

4323
02:36:51,640 --> 02:36:53,160
question.

4324
02:36:53,160 --> 02:36:54,480
Six months ago, that would have been

4325
02:36:54,480 --> 02:36:57,040
where our work stopped. But now, in

4326
02:36:57,040 --> 02:36:58,880
response to the question, we get a link

4327
02:36:58,880 --> 02:37:03,080
to a Chat GPT analysis of our answer.

4328
02:37:03,080 --> 02:37:05,040
And we have to and we have to redo the

4329
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:07,000
work and respond to that. And that's

4330
02:37:07,000 --> 02:37:08,360
even happening just outside of the

4331
02:37:08,360 --> 02:37:10,040
litigation aspect in just our day-to-day

4332
02:37:10,040 --> 02:37:11,640
work. So,

4333
02:37:11,640 --> 02:37:13,680
uh it's a big challenge. I don't know

4334
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:15,720
that I know what the answer is. I think

4335
02:37:15,720 --> 02:37:17,560
eventually the courts are going to have

4336
02:37:17,560 --> 02:37:19,000
to respond.

4337
02:37:19,000 --> 02:37:20,240
Uh I

4338
02:37:20,240 --> 02:37:23,000
my I don't know how how Council Whipple

4339
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:24,400
what Council Whipple thinks about this,

4340
02:37:24,400 --> 02:37:27,080
but I foresee eventually the courts are

4341
02:37:27,080 --> 02:37:29,080
going to have to say

4342
02:37:29,080 --> 02:37:31,000
"These are the five kinds of things that

4343
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:32,720
you can do in the case that you're in,

4344
02:37:32,720 --> 02:37:34,200
and if you file anything other than

4345
02:37:34,200 --> 02:37:35,720
these five things, we're going to ignore

4346
02:37:35,720 --> 02:37:36,520
it."

4347
02:37:36,520 --> 02:37:37,920
I just don't see how the courts are

4348
02:37:37,920 --> 02:37:40,000
going to be able to maintain any kind of

4349
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:42,560
efficiency. And on the one hand, people

4350
02:37:42,560 --> 02:37:43,760
are probably saying, "Hey, this is

4351
02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:45,480
giving us better access to the legal

4352
02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:46,560
system."

4353
02:37:46,560 --> 02:37:47,720
But when the legal system gets

4354
02:37:47,720 --> 02:37:50,400
completely deluged by this, it's going

4355
02:37:50,400 --> 02:37:52,000
to rob access instead of increase

4356
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:53,160
access.

4357
02:37:53,160 --> 02:37:53,960
So, it's something we're pretty

4358
02:37:53,960 --> 02:37:55,680
concerned about. I bring it up here

4359
02:37:55,680 --> 02:37:57,160
mainly because

4360
02:37:57,160 --> 02:37:58,960
despite the fact that we spent 2 years

4361
02:37:58,960 --> 02:38:01,480
telling you AI is making it so we don't

4362
02:38:01,480 --> 02:38:04,120
need more people,

4363
02:38:04,120 --> 02:38:06,160
now it's starting to feel like AI is

4364
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:07,280
making it

4365
02:38:07,280 --> 02:38:07,880
uh

4366
02:38:07,880 --> 02:38:10,160
like we will more need more people.

4367
02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:12,080
>> So, is there an AI response to this or

4368
02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:12,840
not?

4369
02:38:12,840 --> 02:38:14,520
Is there a tool to help with this or

4370
02:38:14,520 --> 02:38:15,120
not?

4371
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:16,560
>> Um

4372
02:38:16,560 --> 02:38:18,080
No.

4373
02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:20,880
Not really. I mean, you can

4374
02:38:20,880 --> 02:38:23,480
yes and no. You

4375
02:38:23,480 --> 02:38:24,960
it's better

4376
02:38:24,960 --> 02:38:26,680
our response to this is better with AI,

4377
02:38:26,680 --> 02:38:29,160
meaning we can take those AI those same

4378
02:38:29,160 --> 02:38:30,920
AI documents and we can throw them back

4379
02:38:30,920 --> 02:38:35,120
into AI and and process those AI

4380
02:38:35,120 --> 02:38:37,200
arguments faster than if we had to

4381
02:38:37,200 --> 02:38:40,360
process them without AI ourselves.

4382
02:38:40,360 --> 02:38:42,160
But there's not a hard and fast solution

4383
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:43,480
because

4384
02:38:43,480 --> 02:38:44,880
I mean, those of you who have experience

4385
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:46,480
with AI, you know that it tells you its

4386
02:38:46,480 --> 02:38:48,200
answers with complete confidence whether

4387
02:38:48,200 --> 02:38:49,880
they're right or whether they're wrong,

4388
02:38:49,880 --> 02:38:55,120
right? Uh and so, but we have an ethical

4389
02:38:55,120 --> 02:38:57,760
and professional responsibility to do

4390
02:38:57,760 --> 02:38:58,960
the work.

4391
02:38:58,960 --> 02:39:00,120
You know, you've probably heard the word

4392
02:39:00,120 --> 02:39:01,160
the term work product.

4393
02:39:01,160 --> 02:39:02,200
>> are the filing don'ts.

4394
02:39:02,200 --> 02:39:03,800
>> We get lots of work slop in, but we

4395
02:39:03,800 --> 02:39:06,520
can't put work slop out, so

4396
02:39:06,520 --> 02:39:09,760
it's an interesting conundrum. Anyway,

4397
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:11,800
then I guess my last slide was just

4398
02:39:11,800 --> 02:39:13,120
again

4399
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:15,200
we love being part of the Provo team.

4400
02:39:15,200 --> 02:39:16,680
All of us are honored to be here and

4401
02:39:16,680 --> 02:39:18,760
we're grateful to serve and we're happy

4402
02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:20,280
to answer any questions.

4403
02:39:20,280 --> 02:39:22,800
>> Any questions for them?

4404
02:39:22,800 --> 02:39:24,920
>> Yeah, um

4405
02:39:24,920 --> 02:39:27,280
couple questions. One is so that you

4406
02:39:27,280 --> 02:39:28,760
raising this point, is that basically

4407
02:39:28,760 --> 02:39:30,160
you're saying it's manageable now, but

4408
02:39:30,160 --> 02:39:31,480
you foresee it potentially becoming

4409
02:39:31,480 --> 02:39:34,040
unmanageable and may require some sort

4410
02:39:34,040 --> 02:39:35,720
of a budget increase or appropriation

4411
02:39:35,720 --> 02:39:37,800
needed for tooling to address it or for

4412
02:39:37,800 --> 02:39:38,680
head count?

4413
02:39:38,680 --> 02:39:40,320
>> Yeah, that's that's the point in

4414
02:39:40,320 --> 02:39:41,960
bringing it up. Uh

4415
02:39:41,960 --> 02:39:44,360
6 months ago, I mean, again, we haven't

4416
02:39:44,360 --> 02:39:45,760
asked for we haven't asked for an

4417
02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:47,280
increase for a long time. 6 months ago I

4418
02:39:47,280 --> 02:39:49,040
would have said we didn't even need one.

4419
02:39:49,040 --> 02:39:52,040
The last 6 months we've seen this trend

4420
02:39:52,040 --> 02:39:53,760
spike in the last 6 months, so it's

4421
02:39:53,760 --> 02:39:55,720
really going up now. What I'm hoping is

4422
02:39:55,720 --> 02:39:58,440
that maybe, like I said, uh when I where

4423
02:39:58,440 --> 02:40:00,080
I proposed kind of the court system

4424
02:40:00,080 --> 02:40:02,040
figuring out a way to handle, I'm hoping

4425
02:40:02,040 --> 02:40:04,520
that there will be an external solution

4426
02:40:04,520 --> 02:40:06,040
that somehow solves it, but I'm bringing

4427
02:40:06,040 --> 02:40:08,360
it to your attention now. So, if a year

4428
02:40:08,360 --> 02:40:10,840
from now I'm saying we just absolutely

4429
02:40:10,840 --> 02:40:13,440
can't keep up, you'll know why.

4430
02:40:13,440 --> 02:40:14,920
And then

4431
02:40:14,920 --> 02:40:16,720
>> to that point of an external solution,

4432
02:40:16,720 --> 02:40:19,360
do you think that this is something that

4433
02:40:19,360 --> 02:40:20,760
Utah League of Cities and town like is

4434
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:23,400
there is it perhaps a state legislature

4435
02:40:23,400 --> 02:40:25,080
like legislative type of solution and

4436
02:40:25,080 --> 02:40:26,400
not just waiting for the courts to do

4437
02:40:26,400 --> 02:40:27,800
something administratively?

4438
02:40:27,800 --> 02:40:29,360
>> Uh that's an interesting question. I

4439
02:40:29,360 --> 02:40:32,080
mean, it's probably an AOC issue, right?

4440
02:40:32,080 --> 02:40:34,360
An Administrative Office of the Courts

4441
02:40:34,360 --> 02:40:36,320
solution where

4442
02:40:36,320 --> 02:40:38,360
they need to be thinking about it and

4443
02:40:38,360 --> 02:40:40,200
probably recommending solutions to the

4444
02:40:40,200 --> 02:40:41,760
legislature if they actually need

4445
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:43,280
legislative solutions.

4446
02:40:43,280 --> 02:40:43,920
>> Yeah.

4447
02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:45,240
>> They can do some of it themselves

4448
02:40:45,240 --> 02:40:46,640
through court rules, but that's not a

4449
02:40:46,640 --> 02:40:48,480
fast process.

4450
02:40:48,480 --> 02:40:50,440
Uh they have to propose their rules and

4451
02:40:50,440 --> 02:40:52,200
do you have committees and put them out

4452
02:40:52,200 --> 02:40:54,400
for comment and so

4453
02:40:54,400 --> 02:40:56,000
none of the solutions that I can think

4454
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:58,160
of will be fast.

4455
02:40:58,160 --> 02:41:01,800
>> Have you seen some recent example like could you share a recent example of

4456
02:41:01,800 --> 02:41:03,960
this that affected the work of you and

4457
02:41:03,960 --> 02:41:04,800
your team?

4458
02:41:04,800 --> 02:41:07,640
>> Well, so the one the one case

4459
02:41:07,640 --> 02:41:09,080
that I mentioned was is probably the

4460
02:41:09,080 --> 02:41:11,000
most prominent example. Rich Roberts,

4461
02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:12,520
who's our chief chief litigator, who's

4462
02:41:12,520 --> 02:41:14,040
not here at the moment, he's been

4463
02:41:14,040 --> 02:41:16,720
handling that case and he had a hundred

4464
02:41:16,720 --> 02:41:20,200
plus filings by by the other party

4465
02:41:20,200 --> 02:41:22,840
within three-month period.

4466
02:41:22,840 --> 02:41:24,520
Normally in that kind of time frame

4467
02:41:24,520 --> 02:41:25,720
you're talking about three or four

4468
02:41:25,720 --> 02:41:27,800
filings, right? And not every one of

4469
02:41:27,800 --> 02:41:29,920
them had to have a drafted response, but

4470
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:31,640
every one of them had to be reviewed to

4471
02:41:31,640 --> 02:41:34,120
see and at the end of the day they're

4472
02:41:34,120 --> 02:41:35,960
all kind of frivolous and a waste of

4473
02:41:35,960 --> 02:41:37,800
time, but you still got you can't ignore

4474
02:41:37,800 --> 02:41:39,440
any of them under the system that we've

4475
02:41:39,440 --> 02:41:40,440
got right now.

4476
02:41:40,440 --> 02:41:42,920
>> So litigate like litigating attorneys

4477
02:41:42,920 --> 02:41:45,360
are using AI to file

4478
02:41:45,360 --> 02:41:47,320
five x the number of or 10 x the number

4479
02:41:47,320 --> 02:41:49,120
>> it's non-attorneys. It's the people that

4480
02:41:49,120 --> 02:41:50,640
are It's the people who are not

4481
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:52,720
represented. So they're going into the

4482
02:41:52,720 --> 02:41:54,200
AI and they're just dumping a bunch of

4483
02:41:54,200 --> 02:41:56,280
information in and probably a lot of

4484
02:41:56,280 --> 02:41:58,920
times not dumping not very much

4485
02:41:58,920 --> 02:42:00,040
>> Not the right information.

4486
02:42:00,040 --> 02:42:01,840
>> Like not the right information and then

4487
02:42:01,840 --> 02:42:03,880
they're getting stuff out.

4488
02:42:03,880 --> 02:42:05,960
I mean, again, this isn't an uncommon

4489
02:42:05,960 --> 02:42:07,680
trend that we have these pro se

4490
02:42:07,680 --> 02:42:09,360
litigants filing frivolous things, but

4491
02:42:09,360 --> 02:42:11,560
it used to be that there was a there was

4492
02:42:11,560 --> 02:42:13,800
a finite set of things that they were

4493
02:42:13,800 --> 02:42:16,800
copying off the internet and filing and

4494
02:42:16,800 --> 02:42:18,600
we all had seen them before and we all

4495
02:42:18,600 --> 02:42:21,840
had a finite set of prepared answers for

4496
02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:22,040
them.

4497
02:42:22,040 --> 02:42:22,480
>> Right.

4498
02:42:22,480 --> 02:42:23,080
>> And now

4499
02:42:23,080 --> 02:42:25,040
>> doing novel things, but they're not

4500
02:42:25,040 --> 02:42:26,160
necessarily good novel.

4501
02:42:26,160 --> 02:42:26,960
>> Right.

4502
02:42:26,960 --> 02:42:27,360
>> Yeah.

4503
02:42:27,360 --> 02:42:28,000
>> Exactly.

4504
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:29,720
>> Interesting.

4505
02:42:29,720 --> 02:42:31,160
>> Yeah, or just we need to update the

4506
02:42:31,160 --> 02:42:34,960
vexatious litigant statute or rules or

4507
02:42:34,960 --> 02:42:35,400
>> Right.

4508
02:42:35,400 --> 02:42:36,720
>> I mean, that's

4509
02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:37,760
solution.

4510
02:42:37,760 --> 02:42:38,880
>> Yeah.

4511
02:42:38,880 --> 02:42:40,400
>> That's not a feasible solution.

4512
02:42:40,400 --> 02:42:42,320
>> Yeah, I'm going to say that also leads

4513
02:42:42,320 --> 02:42:45,910
to more lawsuits.

4514
02:42:45,920 --> 02:42:47,480
You have people who

4515
02:42:47,480 --> 02:42:49,360
would not take the time to do this.

4516
02:42:49,360 --> 02:42:50,680
They don't know whether they should file

4517
02:42:50,680 --> 02:42:53,520
a lawsuit, but they're doing it anyway.

4518
02:42:53,520 --> 02:42:54,960
The new strategy could be a software

4519
02:42:54,960 --> 02:42:56,160
that does it.

4520
02:42:56,160 --> 02:42:59,910
Right.

4521
02:42:59,920 --> 02:43:05,790
Any other questions?

4522
02:43:05,800 --> 02:43:06,800
» All right.

4523
02:43:06,800 --> 02:43:08,600
Now we have the presentation project for

4524
02:43:08,600 --> 02:43:11,200
customer service, presented by Amanda

4525
02:43:11,200 --> 02:43:12,600
Perret and director of customer service

4526
02:43:12,600 --> 02:43:14,720
and Laramie Adams, assistant operations

4527
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:18,150
manager.

4528
02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:20,600
» Thank you for having us. Um I know

4529
02:43:20,600 --> 02:43:22,120
Laramie says this every year, but we

4530
02:43:22,120 --> 02:43:24,640
really do have a pretty boring budget.

4531
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:26,800
So, I think since you've heard 10 of

4532
02:43:26,800 --> 02:43:29,640
these today, we will be very quick.

4533
02:43:29,640 --> 02:43:30,960
But please let us know what questions

4534
02:43:30,960 --> 02:43:32,480
you have.

4535
02:43:32,480 --> 02:43:35,080
Um our budget report. We are very well

4536
02:43:35,080 --> 02:43:37,120
aligned. We don't have any unmet needs

4537
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:39,440
or anything that's underfunded. We also

4538
02:43:39,440 --> 02:43:41,400
haven't had to utilize any supplementals

4539
02:43:41,400 --> 02:43:43,720
outside of our regular budget process

4540
02:43:43,720 --> 02:43:45,560
and also not in this year. So, we're

4541
02:43:45,560 --> 02:43:49,070
doing really well.

4542
02:43:49,080 --> 02:43:51,000
Our goals are that if you were here last

4543
02:43:51,000 --> 02:43:52,280
year, you remember these are the same

4544
02:43:52,280 --> 02:43:53,280
goals.

4545
02:43:53,280 --> 02:43:55,880
Um the first few are very important in

4546
02:43:55,880 --> 02:43:57,360
maintaining

4547
02:43:57,360 --> 02:43:58,840
the level of service that we provide to

4548
02:43:58,840 --> 02:44:01,360
residents and the people calling in.

4549
02:44:01,360 --> 02:44:03,400
The last goal we've kind of changed. We

4550
02:44:03,400 --> 02:44:04,560
always want to be involved in the

4551
02:44:04,560 --> 02:44:05,840
community.

4552
02:44:05,840 --> 02:44:07,280
In the past, we've gone out and we've

4553
02:44:07,280 --> 02:44:09,400
done volunteer work. We've done things

4554
02:44:09,400 --> 02:44:12,000
like adopt a trail. We've volunteered at

4555
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:13,400
Food and Care.

4556
02:44:13,400 --> 02:44:15,760
This year, the mayor has kind of given

4557
02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:18,120
us a new inspiration. She has a great

4558
02:44:18,120 --> 02:44:20,240
vision. So, this year we're really

4559
02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:22,680
working on um

4560
02:44:22,680 --> 02:44:23,720
trying to think of the best way to say

4561
02:44:23,720 --> 02:44:24,840
this.

4562
02:44:24,840 --> 02:44:27,600
Being a conduit for people in need and

4563
02:44:27,600 --> 02:44:29,280
helping them access the services they

4564
02:44:29,280 --> 02:44:32,280
need like 211 and other community um

4565
02:44:32,280 --> 02:44:34,080
services.

4566
02:44:34,080 --> 02:44:35,360
So, we're just kind of changing the way

4567
02:44:35,360 --> 02:44:37,480
we help.

4568
02:44:37,480 --> 02:44:39,640
Here are accomplishments. Um a lot of

4569
02:44:39,640 --> 02:44:41,600
software upgrades, which I hope you

4570
02:44:41,600 --> 02:44:43,040
haven't noticed these because if you

4571
02:44:43,040 --> 02:44:44,960
haven't noticed it meant it went well.

4572
02:44:44,960 --> 02:44:46,320
So,

4573
02:44:46,320 --> 02:44:48,160
we did well. Um we have two new

4574
02:44:48,160 --> 02:44:49,960
certified business licensing officers.

4575
02:44:49,960 --> 02:44:52,320
We've also won an award. We've been busy

4576
02:44:52,320 --> 02:44:54,400
and hard at work. So,

4577
02:44:54,400 --> 02:44:55,840
before I turn it over to Laramie, just a

4578
02:44:55,840 --> 02:44:57,640
huge thank you to him. He does great

4579
02:44:57,640 --> 02:44:59,560
work on our budget, which is why

4580
02:44:59,560 --> 02:45:01,120
he gets to help me present. So, thank

4581
02:45:01,120 --> 02:45:06,270
you.

4582
02:45:06,280 --> 02:45:07,920
» Now, for the fun stuff.

4583
02:45:07,920 --> 02:45:09,480
You love the numbers.

4584
02:45:09,480 --> 02:45:10,640
Um

4585
02:45:10,640 --> 02:45:13,320
in the the box on the top, just kind of

4586
02:45:13,320 --> 02:45:15,000
remind everyone that customer service is

4587
02:45:15,000 --> 02:45:16,520
split up into five different divisions,

4588
02:45:16,520 --> 02:45:19,680
if you will. Um admin, billing, IT, call

4589
02:45:19,680 --> 02:45:21,560
center, and business licensing.

4590
02:45:21,560 --> 02:45:24,440
Um I put up there the approved FY26

4591
02:45:24,440 --> 02:45:26,080
numbers, just so you have a base of

4592
02:45:26,080 --> 02:45:28,360
comparison, and what we're proposing for

4593
02:45:28,360 --> 02:45:31,120
FY27. You can see there's um the

4594
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:32,800
difference there at the end, not a huge

4595
02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:34,680
difference in each one of those

4596
02:45:34,680 --> 02:45:36,400
categories. I think one of the biggest

4597
02:45:36,400 --> 02:45:37,880
challenges that we have in customer

4598
02:45:37,880 --> 02:45:40,560
service is uh mainly in our billing and

4599
02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:44,000
IT, IT mostly, is we have a lot of

4600
02:45:44,000 --> 02:45:45,960
third-party maintenance contracts, that

4601
02:45:45,960 --> 02:45:47,360
software contracts, a lot of those

4602
02:45:47,360 --> 02:45:54,120
things that really we um contract out to help us get those services um

4603
02:45:54,120 --> 02:45:57,200
that we need um available. And across

4604
02:45:57,200 --> 02:45:58,560
the board, we usually experience about a

4605
02:45:58,560 --> 02:46:01,800
6 to 7, in some categories this year an

4606
02:46:01,800 --> 02:46:04,080
8% increase on every one of those

4607
02:46:04,080 --> 02:46:05,560
contract services.

4608
02:46:05,560 --> 02:46:08,600
So, this year, we was able to

4609
02:46:08,600 --> 02:46:10,000
consolidate some of those, move some

4610
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:12,240
stuff around, and uh in some of those

4611
02:46:12,240 --> 02:46:14,280
that we had budget for last year, we're

4612
02:46:14,280 --> 02:46:16,120
not using this year, and we was able to

4613
02:46:16,120 --> 02:46:18,720
absorb that increase, and still kind of

4614
02:46:18,720 --> 02:46:21,720
ended at a net zero um kind of bottom

4615
02:46:21,720 --> 02:46:23,640
line of we don't have any real increases

4616
02:46:23,640 --> 02:46:25,840
in our operating budget this year.

4617
02:46:25,840 --> 02:46:27,720
I think what's interesting about our

4618
02:46:27,720 --> 02:46:28,880
operating budget is if you look at the

4619
02:46:28,880 --> 02:46:30,680
graph on the bottom, it kind of gives

4620
02:46:30,680 --> 02:46:33,000
you a good idea of where the majority of

4621
02:46:33,000 --> 02:46:34,640
the money in our operational budget is

4622
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:36,480
spent. So, if you look at billing and

4623
02:46:36,480 --> 02:46:40,840
IT, um 2/3, that's about $800,000 of our

4624
02:46:40,840 --> 02:46:44,120
$1.2 million operating budget is spent in those two

4625
02:46:44,120 --> 02:46:46,200
categories. And again, that is mainly

4626
02:46:46,200 --> 02:46:48,920
around those maintenance contracts.

4627
02:46:48,920 --> 02:46:50,640
Um a lot of it, especially in billing,

4628
02:46:50,640 --> 02:46:53,120
is around um utility bill printing, the

4629
02:46:53,120 --> 02:46:55,960
archiving of those digital bills, those kind of

4630
02:46:55,960 --> 02:46:57,600
things that that are just happening

4631
02:46:57,600 --> 02:46:59,400
outside of customer service. So, kind of

4632
02:46:59,400 --> 02:47:01,320
gives you an idea of of the impact that

4633
02:47:01,320 --> 02:47:03,040
those things do have on our operational

4634
02:47:03,040 --> 02:47:05,360
budget. If you look at the box on the

4635
02:47:05,360 --> 02:47:06,680
right, just kind of give you a

4636
02:47:06,680 --> 02:47:09,080
well-rounded perspective of what the

4637
02:47:09,080 --> 02:47:10,640
impact of the overall budget is for

4638
02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:12,640
customer service. By the time you add in

4639
02:47:12,640 --> 02:47:14,840
the the 1.2 million in our operating

4640
02:47:14,840 --> 02:47:16,320
budget, and then you add in the

4641
02:47:16,320 --> 02:47:17,600
chargebacks that we don't really have

4642
02:47:17,600 --> 02:47:19,760
too much control over, and the

4643
02:47:19,760 --> 02:47:21,600
personnel, of course personnel is a big

4644
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:23,280
expense, but we are not doing anything

4645
02:47:23,280 --> 02:47:25,080
different with our personnel this year.

4646
02:47:25,080 --> 02:47:26,560
We've not added any positions, we're not

4647
02:47:26,560 --> 02:47:29,040
doing anything like that. Um the the

4648
02:47:29,040 --> 02:47:30,640
bottom line customer service budget is

4649
02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:33,640
just under 4.3 million. So, um that's

4650
02:47:33,640 --> 02:47:36,910
our overall budget.

4651
02:47:36,920 --> 02:47:38,400
As far as supplementals, I think Amanda

4652
02:47:38,400 --> 02:47:40,040
already mentioned, we don't have we're

4653
02:47:40,040 --> 02:47:43,040
not going to have any um supplemental

4654
02:47:43,040 --> 02:47:44,440
um operational supplemental requests

4655
02:47:44,440 --> 02:47:45,920
this year. And it's kind of good to

4656
02:47:45,920 --> 02:47:47,440
know, we haven't had any for a number of

4657
02:47:47,440 --> 02:47:49,120
years. We haven't really asked for

4658
02:47:49,120 --> 02:47:50,320
anything

4659
02:47:50,320 --> 02:47:50,920
um

4660
02:47:50,920 --> 02:47:52,360
supplemental-wise. Everything that we've

4661
02:47:52,360 --> 02:47:53,520
done, all the improvements we've made,

4662
02:47:53,520 --> 02:47:55,200
we typically try to find ways to to

4663
02:47:55,200 --> 02:47:56,240
cover those just to try to be

4664
02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:58,400
sustainable as we go forward. Um we just

4665
02:47:58,400 --> 02:48:00,560
want to make sure that that we work with

4666
02:48:00,560 --> 02:48:02,640
what we have available to us and make

4667
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:04,440
the best use of that. So, again, no

4668
02:48:04,440 --> 02:48:07,480
supplementals this year. And um

4669
02:48:07,480 --> 02:48:10,040
just an overall summary, there's no

4670
02:48:10,040 --> 02:48:11,640
bottom line changes to our budget this

4671
02:48:11,640 --> 02:48:13,720
year. So, again, like I always say, a

4672
02:48:13,720 --> 02:48:16,360
little bit boring, but um that's where

4673
02:48:16,360 --> 02:48:19,120
we're at. Is there any questions for me

4674
02:48:19,120 --> 02:48:22,710
or Amanda?

4675
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:24,360
» That's terrible.

4676
02:48:24,360 --> 02:48:25,240
And

4677
02:48:25,240 --> 02:48:27,240
So, I I appreciate that you're able to

4678
02:48:27,240 --> 02:48:31,640
keep it so it's no net change, but so it

4679
02:48:31,640 --> 02:48:33,920
looked like you were taking from IT some

4680
02:48:33,920 --> 02:48:35,560
of these programs maybe that you're not

4681
02:48:35,560 --> 02:48:38,280
using anymore. And how where's it going

4682
02:48:38,280 --> 02:48:40,320
in administration?

4683
02:48:40,320 --> 02:48:42,160
>> So, it's kind of an interesting what

4684
02:48:42,160 --> 02:48:43,520
happened this year? We ended up with a

4685
02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:46,320
new executive office assistant uh this

4686
02:48:46,320 --> 02:48:49,600
year. And just working with her to kind

4687
02:48:49,600 --> 02:48:50,880
of understand the budget and have her

4688
02:48:50,880 --> 02:48:52,800
help us pay our bills and whatnot. Um

4689
02:48:52,800 --> 02:48:55,440
she's asking questions like oh, and she

4690
02:48:55,440 --> 02:48:56,920
came from another city uh prior to

4691
02:48:56,920 --> 02:48:58,360
coming to Provo. And she says, "Oh, we

4692
02:48:58,360 --> 02:49:00,040
didn't ever pull that money from that

4693
02:49:00,040 --> 02:49:01,520
particular line item that came from. We

4694
02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:03,000
didn't actually spend that money from

4695
02:49:03,000 --> 02:49:04,600
that particular area. We always did it

4696
02:49:04,600 --> 02:49:06,640
from here." And so, as we got talking

4697
02:49:06,640 --> 02:49:07,600
through those things, we're like, "Oh,

4698
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:08,840
that makes That's some pretty good

4699
02:49:08,840 --> 02:49:11,040
common sense." So, we can move things

4700
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:13,520
around there to make it um make more

4701
02:49:13,520 --> 02:49:15,600
sense rather than making more work as

4702
02:49:15,600 --> 02:49:17,960
far as like our trainings, for example.

4703
02:49:17,960 --> 02:49:19,960
Training was one of those things that um

4704
02:49:19,960 --> 02:49:21,560
typically we would divide up amongst all

4705
02:49:21,560 --> 02:49:22,880
of our different divisions cuz we're all

4706
02:49:22,880 --> 02:49:24,960
in the same training together. And then

4707
02:49:24,960 --> 02:49:27,960
we thought, "Well, why are we making

4708
02:49:27,960 --> 02:49:31,040
all of that that training um

4709
02:49:31,040 --> 02:49:32,680
the expense split up five different ways

4710
02:49:32,680 --> 02:49:34,120
and charged to five different things?"

4711
02:49:34,120 --> 02:49:35,320
We just thought if we put training, put

4712
02:49:35,320 --> 02:49:37,240
it all together in one particular area,

4713
02:49:37,240 --> 02:49:39,320
put it here, we just charge it once, and

4714
02:49:39,320 --> 02:49:41,840
it just makes that much more sense. Um

4715
02:49:41,840 --> 02:49:44,160
probably one of the biggest ones is

4716
02:49:44,160 --> 02:49:45,760
when it comes to

4717
02:49:45,760 --> 02:49:48,280
the maintenance contracts. We did have

4718
02:49:48,280 --> 02:49:49,840
some where

4719
02:49:49,840 --> 02:49:51,640
um

4720
02:49:51,640 --> 02:49:55,910
like, for example, the

4721
02:49:55,920 --> 02:49:57,080
I don't know, the maintenance contracts

4722
02:49:57,080 --> 02:49:59,760
that normally before when we had We had

4723
02:49:59,760 --> 02:50:01,600
a number of different ways to track our

4724
02:50:01,600 --> 02:50:04,920
calls. And just with those software

4725
02:50:04,920 --> 02:50:06,440
pieces all going away and putting some

4726
02:50:06,440 --> 02:50:08,120
of those together and putting pop

4727
02:50:08,120 --> 02:50:10,120
together with our web services, things

4728
02:50:10,120 --> 02:50:12,400
like that, we no longer try to split

4729
02:50:12,400 --> 02:50:15,840
those items up in the budget. And so,

4730
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:17,720
for those reasons, we just was able to

4731
02:50:17,720 --> 02:50:19,040
kind of include that, absorb those

4732
02:50:19,040 --> 02:50:20,880
costs, and and that's why it looks like

4733
02:50:20,880 --> 02:50:22,160
there's an increase in admin. It was

4734
02:50:22,160 --> 02:50:24,040
simply just a consolidate some of those

4735
02:50:24,040 --> 02:50:25,880
expenses that were split up in the other

4736
02:50:25,880 --> 02:50:26,880
divisions.

4737
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:28,200
>> And so, it's just kind of shifting away

4738
02:50:28,200 --> 02:50:29,880
from like a cost accounting principle to

4739
02:50:29,880 --> 02:50:32,320
more of a standard government

4740
02:50:32,320 --> 02:50:32,920
philosophy.

4741
02:50:32,920 --> 02:50:35,120
>> Yeah. Well, and I'm just so happy to

4742
02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:36,760
hear that you got fresh eyes on there

4743
02:50:36,760 --> 02:50:38,200
that helped you look at what you've been

4744
02:50:38,200 --> 02:50:42,520
doing to be better. That's that's always nice.

4745
02:50:42,520 --> 02:50:44,720
Probably also reassuring to know that

4746
02:50:44,720 --> 02:50:47,160
you were doing good things as well.

4747
02:50:47,160 --> 02:50:51,070
>> Absolutely.

4748
02:50:51,080 --> 02:50:56,990
» Any other questions?

4749
02:50:57,000 --> 02:51:02,630
» Thank you.

4750
02:51:02,640 --> 02:51:04,360
» All right.

4751
02:51:04,360 --> 02:51:06,320
Next people station give them applause

4752
02:51:06,320 --> 02:51:12,230
by 5:30, guys.

4753
02:51:12,240 --> 02:51:14,600
» All right. Good afternoon, Council.

4754
02:51:14,600 --> 02:51:16,600
Hopefully this will be your easiest

4755
02:51:16,600 --> 02:51:19,920
budget presentation. Knock on wood. Um

4756
02:51:19,920 --> 02:51:21,080
but I'm just going to briefly walk

4757
02:51:21,080 --> 02:51:22,360
through

4758
02:51:22,360 --> 02:51:25,800
the proposed FY27 budget for the Council

4759
02:51:25,800 --> 02:51:27,760
office. And if you have any questions,

4760
02:51:27,760 --> 02:51:31,480
feel free to to jump in at any time. Um

4761
02:51:31,480 --> 02:51:33,720
a majority, if not all of this

4762
02:51:33,720 --> 02:51:35,840
information, was provided in quite a bit

4763
02:51:35,840 --> 02:51:39,080
more detail in the attached um budget

4764
02:51:39,080 --> 02:51:40,200
memo.

4765
02:51:40,200 --> 02:51:42,080
Um but to give you

4766
02:51:42,080 --> 02:51:44,200
and the public um

4767
02:51:44,200 --> 02:51:45,960
a general idea of what goes into the

4768
02:51:45,960 --> 02:51:46,760
Council

4769
02:51:46,760 --> 02:51:49,040
office budget. Uh the majority of the

4770
02:51:49,040 --> 02:51:52,200
budget comes from personnel. Over 82% of

4771
02:51:52,200 --> 02:51:54,280
the budget is is personnel based for

4772
02:51:54,280 --> 02:51:57,720
staff and Council members. Um

4773
02:51:57,720 --> 02:52:01,320
operating uh is just under 15% and then

4774
02:52:01,320 --> 02:52:02,960
our chargebacks,

4775
02:52:02,960 --> 02:52:05,280
uh which go towards other internal

4776
02:52:05,280 --> 02:52:06,440
service departments that you've heard

4777
02:52:06,440 --> 02:52:10,320
from today, is roughly 3%. Um but the

4778
02:52:10,320 --> 02:52:13,560
proposed budget um

4779
02:52:13,560 --> 02:52:15,240
that we'll talk about today does not

4780
02:52:15,240 --> 02:52:20,760
have any new requests for supplementals.

4781
02:52:20,760 --> 02:52:22,960
Operating budget main- remains

4782
02:52:22,960 --> 02:52:26,440
relatively flat. Um we have implemented

4783
02:52:26,440 --> 02:52:28,520
um

4784
02:52:28,520 --> 02:52:31,920
cuts based off of last year's

4785
02:52:31,920 --> 02:52:33,520
um

4786
02:52:33,520 --> 02:52:36,560
contra budget in our operations. Um so

4787
02:52:36,560 --> 02:52:38,480
those have been made permanent

4788
02:52:38,480 --> 02:52:40,560
um and chargebacks have remained flat as

4789
02:52:40,560 --> 02:52:41,880
well.

4790
02:52:41,880 --> 02:52:43,160
Um

4791
02:52:43,160 --> 02:52:45,520
so to touch on the one place where there

4792
02:52:45,520 --> 02:52:47,280
are increases

4793
02:52:47,280 --> 02:52:49,320
uh in the personnel budget,

4794
02:52:49,320 --> 02:52:53,040
um this is based off of anticipated 2

4795
02:52:53,040 --> 02:52:55,560
and 1/2% uh performance-based merit

4796
02:52:55,560 --> 02:52:57,120
increases

4797
02:52:57,120 --> 02:52:59,280
uh that

4798
02:52:59,280 --> 02:53:02,000
finance budgets for each year across the

4799
02:53:02,000 --> 02:53:05,200
city uh so long as there are

4800
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:07,960
um positive performance reviews from

4801
02:53:07,960 --> 02:53:09,280
employees.

4802
02:53:09,280 --> 02:53:10,800
Um additionally

4803
02:53:10,800 --> 02:53:11,960
um

4804
02:53:11,960 --> 02:53:14,480
last year, the council went through and

4805
02:53:14,480 --> 02:53:16,640
updated job descriptions to create more

4806
02:53:16,640 --> 02:53:18,960
alignment with um

4807
02:53:18,960 --> 02:53:21,080
many of the positions in the council

4808
02:53:21,080 --> 02:53:25,560
office and that compensation adjustment

4809
02:53:25,560 --> 02:53:27,240
is reflected in this year's personnel

4810
02:53:27,240 --> 02:53:31,680
budget. Um and the last piece is last

4811
02:53:31,680 --> 02:53:33,920
year, the

4812
02:53:33,920 --> 02:53:35,560
um

4813
02:53:35,560 --> 02:53:37,240
elected official compensation commission

4814
02:53:37,240 --> 02:53:39,560
met. They meet every 4 years to

4815
02:53:39,560 --> 02:53:42,320
determine compensation for

4816
02:53:42,320 --> 02:53:43,840
um elected officials in the city, the

4817
02:53:43,840 --> 02:53:46,520
mayor and council. And so last year,

4818
02:53:46,520 --> 02:53:48,600
that was implemented

4819
02:53:48,600 --> 02:53:50,710
um

4820
02:53:50,720 --> 02:53:51,800
well, in the current fiscal year, that

4821
02:53:51,800 --> 02:53:53,560
was implemented in the first pay period

4822
02:53:53,560 --> 02:53:58,200
in in January. So, it only had roughly a

4823
02:53:58,200 --> 02:54:00,040
half fiscal year effect. So, we're

4824
02:54:00,040 --> 02:54:02,080
feeling the full um

4825
02:54:02,080 --> 02:54:04,160
implementation effect in the coming

4826
02:54:04,160 --> 02:54:07,440
fiscal year. So, those are

4827
02:54:07,440 --> 02:54:10,160
the specific reasons for changes to the

4828
02:54:10,160 --> 02:54:11,880
personnel budget.

4829
02:54:11,880 --> 02:54:15,190
Um

4830
02:54:15,200 --> 02:54:18,160
other than that, some of the legislative

4831
02:54:18,160 --> 02:54:20,600
accomplishments from this year um from

4832
02:54:20,600 --> 02:54:22,400
the council and where the council office

4833
02:54:22,400 --> 02:54:24,880
has assisted in supporting the council

4834
02:54:24,880 --> 02:54:25,480
um

4835
02:54:25,480 --> 02:54:28,000
have been across a variety of policy

4836
02:54:28,000 --> 02:54:31,640
areas including housing, infrastructure,

4837
02:54:31,640 --> 02:54:34,800
and redevelopment. The council adopted

4838
02:54:34,800 --> 02:54:36,200
the

4839
02:54:36,200 --> 02:54:38,680
$319 million

4840
02:54:38,680 --> 02:54:39,480
um

4841
02:54:39,480 --> 02:54:42,800
current FY26 budget um

4842
02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:46,320
made advancement to impact fees as well

4843
02:54:46,320 --> 02:54:49,320
as changes to title 14 through various

4844
02:54:49,320 --> 02:54:51,760
re-zones and the ongoing ongoing zoning

4845
02:54:51,760 --> 02:54:52,920
rewrite

4846
02:54:52,920 --> 02:54:55,200
um as well as strengthened health and

4847
02:54:55,200 --> 02:54:57,560
safety standards um

4848
02:54:57,560 --> 02:55:04,110
in the housing space.

4849
02:55:04,120 --> 02:55:06,240
Um and then looking forward to FY27

4850
02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:09,160
specifically the council's um

4851
02:55:09,160 --> 02:55:11,800
budget priorities, the council office is

4852
02:55:11,800 --> 02:55:14,200
working either with departments in

4853
02:55:14,200 --> 02:55:16,600
coordinating those budget priorities or

4854
02:55:16,600 --> 02:55:18,440
working in-house

4855
02:55:18,440 --> 02:55:19,000
um

4856
02:55:19,000 --> 02:55:20,440
pursuing

4857
02:55:20,440 --> 02:55:24,240
data such as housing data to support a

4858
02:55:24,240 --> 02:55:27,120
comprehensive housing stock audit,

4859
02:55:27,120 --> 02:55:28,560
working with economic development to

4860
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:30,880
assist in the RFP of the economic

4861
02:55:30,880 --> 02:55:32,520
development study

4862
02:55:32,520 --> 02:55:34,880
um and with code enforcement and

4863
02:55:34,880 --> 02:55:37,120
customer service in coordinating this

4864
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:39,760
multi-depart multi-department external

4865
02:55:39,760 --> 02:55:45,070
business process review.

4866
02:55:45,080 --> 02:55:47,960
And lastly um just as far as budget

4867
02:55:47,960 --> 02:55:50,200
alignment and council goals, it is

4868
02:55:50,200 --> 02:55:51,360
really

4869
02:55:51,360 --> 02:55:51,920
um

4870
02:55:51,920 --> 02:55:55,720
the purpose uh of the council office to

4871
02:55:55,720 --> 02:55:57,360
um

4872
02:55:57,360 --> 02:55:59,720
help bring those those priorities that

4873
02:55:59,720 --> 02:56:01,760
the council has set to fruition.

4874
02:56:01,760 --> 02:56:03,640
Um that is what we are putting our focus

4875
02:56:03,640 --> 02:56:05,840
on currently and will be in the next

4876
02:56:05,840 --> 02:56:08,040
fiscal year. Um but as far as the budget

4877
02:56:08,040 --> 02:56:11,440
goes, uh we don't anticipate or have not

4878
02:56:11,440 --> 02:56:13,920
proposed any supplemental requests for

4879
02:56:13,920 --> 02:56:16,880
new programs, staffing expansion

4880
02:56:16,880 --> 02:56:17,920
um

4881
02:56:17,920 --> 02:56:20,960
and will continue to provide

4882
02:56:20,960 --> 02:56:23,560
whatever services and

4883
02:56:23,560 --> 02:56:25,200
research are required or requested by

4884
02:56:25,200 --> 02:56:27,200
the council. So,

4885
02:56:27,200 --> 02:56:29,840
with that, are there any questions that

4886
02:56:29,840 --> 02:56:38,470
I can answer?

4887
02:56:38,480 --> 02:56:59,550
Awesome. Thank you.

4888
02:56:59,560 --> 02:57:02,280
Terrific. Thank you, uh council.

4889
02:57:02,280 --> 02:57:05,520
This is a council-issue tracking item or

4890
02:57:05,520 --> 02:57:07,520
issue item that was sponsored by

4891
02:57:07,520 --> 02:57:09,600
Counselor Bogden with the second by

4892
02:57:09,600 --> 02:57:11,160
Counselor Whipple.

4893
02:57:11,160 --> 02:57:13,200
Uh the intent is to address potentially

4894
02:57:13,200 --> 02:57:15,480
negative effects from increasing numbers

4895
02:57:15,480 --> 02:57:17,920
of heavy commercial trucks

4896
02:57:17,920 --> 02:57:19,440
uh that are using commercial spaces in

4897
02:57:19,440 --> 02:57:22,080
the city to park.

4898
02:57:22,080 --> 02:57:24,960
So, if you read if you can reference the

4899
02:57:24,960 --> 02:57:26,800
ordinance in the exhibit attached to the

4900
02:57:26,800 --> 02:57:28,600
proposed ordinance, this ordinance would

4901
02:57:28,600 --> 02:57:30,840
do three things. It would prevent or

4902
02:57:30,840 --> 02:57:33,640
restrict or prohibit uh

4903
02:57:33,640 --> 02:57:35,520
heavy diesel trucks from idling. It

4904
02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:38,240
would apply only in places on public

4905
02:57:38,240 --> 02:57:41,000
roads or public property and to private

4906
02:57:41,000 --> 02:57:42,560
property that is open to the general

4907
02:57:42,560 --> 02:57:45,080
public. It also allows for a few

4908
02:57:45,080 --> 02:57:47,360
exceptions that are kind of um common

4909
02:57:47,360 --> 02:57:49,600
sense exceptions for why a vehicle of

4910
02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:53,030
that nature would need to idle.

4911
02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:55,640
Speaking to the rationale for this issue

4912
02:57:55,640 --> 02:57:57,600
a little bit, there's the you know,

4913
02:57:57,600 --> 02:57:59,640
Counselor Bogden, the issue sponsor, has

4914
02:57:59,640 --> 02:58:01,680
noticed an uptick in the presence of

4915
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:03,600
commercial trucks. Uh as the analyst, I

4916
02:58:03,600 --> 02:58:06,000
went out and I tried to observe as much

4917
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:09,080
as I could in the East Bay area and also

4918
02:58:09,080 --> 02:58:12,440
in uh commercial areas uh that I could

4919
02:58:12,440 --> 02:58:14,080
use for comparison, the truck stops in

4920
02:58:14,080 --> 02:58:16,680
Springville and uh commercial areas in

4921
02:58:16,680 --> 02:58:18,520
other cities. And I've noticed the

4922
02:58:18,520 --> 02:58:20,280
presence of a few

4923
02:58:20,280 --> 02:58:22,400
of the of these heavy diesel commercial

4924
02:58:22,400 --> 02:58:25,040
trucks. I have more detailed information

4925
02:58:25,040 --> 02:58:27,680
about my observations if you're

4926
02:58:27,680 --> 02:58:29,160
interested in that.

4927
02:58:29,160 --> 02:58:30,680
But, I would say that in the commercial

4928
02:58:30,680 --> 02:58:32,760
areas it does not reach the traffic of a

4929
02:58:32,760 --> 02:58:35,000
truck stop, which are commonly full

4930
02:58:35,000 --> 02:58:37,000
during the nighttime hours, but

4931
02:58:37,000 --> 02:58:40,400
uh there still is uh a limited presence.

4932
02:58:40,400 --> 02:58:43,400
One of the main key causes for concern

4933
02:58:43,400 --> 02:58:45,880
in regard to these types of trucks using

4934
02:58:45,880 --> 02:58:48,280
commercial areas are when there are

4935
02:58:48,280 --> 02:58:50,400
interface in between places where

4936
02:58:50,400 --> 02:58:52,280
residents live and where the trucks are

4937
02:58:52,280 --> 02:58:54,040
utilizing the parking spaces in the

4938
02:58:54,040 --> 02:58:55,800
commercial structures. And there are a

4939
02:58:55,800 --> 02:58:57,280
few examples of that that I've been able

4940
02:58:57,280 --> 02:59:00,480
to find in the city right now. And as

4941
02:59:00,480 --> 02:59:03,280
commercial and residential areas expand

4942
02:59:03,280 --> 02:59:04,640
in the future, this could become an

4943
02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:08,670
issue in other areas as well.

4944
02:59:08,680 --> 02:59:10,800
So, the potential benefits of this in

4945
02:59:10,800 --> 02:59:13,080
terms of limiting negative effects of

4946
02:59:13,080 --> 02:59:15,040
heavy diesel truck idling would be that

4947
02:59:15,040 --> 02:59:18,640
it would simplify the enforcement of the

4948
02:59:18,640 --> 02:59:20,640
current noise ordinance in that the

4949
02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:21,920
current noise ordinance requires

4950
02:59:21,920 --> 02:59:24,240
measurements of decibel levels at a

4951
02:59:24,240 --> 02:59:25,960
certain distance, and there have been

4952
02:59:25,960 --> 02:59:27,880
some concerns, as I understand it, in

4953
02:59:27,880 --> 02:59:30,000
the past for the implementation of that

4954
02:59:30,000 --> 02:59:31,440
enforcement.

4955
02:59:31,440 --> 02:59:32,960
Uh so, this would address that as it

4956
02:59:32,960 --> 02:59:35,040
pertains specifically to heavy

4957
02:59:35,040 --> 02:59:36,720
commercial trucks. And then it would

4958
02:59:36,720 --> 02:59:39,720
also address potential for localized

4959
02:59:39,720 --> 02:59:41,280
pollution and odors that are emitted

4960
02:59:41,280 --> 02:59:42,800
from diesel trucks that wouldn't be

4961
02:59:42,800 --> 02:59:46,750
covered by a noise ordinance.

4962
02:59:46,760 --> 02:59:50,040
As far as uh notes on how this ordinance

4963
02:59:50,040 --> 02:59:52,640
would be enforced, um I've talked with

4964
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:54,520
members of the patrol division and

4965
02:59:54,520 --> 02:59:56,280
leaders in the patrol division, and they

4966
02:59:56,280 --> 02:59:58,640
have expressed their willingness to

4967
02:59:58,640 --> 03:00:00,520
enforce this ordinance if it were to be

4968
03:00:00,520 --> 03:00:03,480
passed. Uh however, that should be taken

4969
03:00:03,480 --> 03:00:05,600
in the context of their duties in

4970
03:00:05,600 --> 03:00:07,120
daytime hours,

4971
03:00:07,120 --> 03:00:09,000
patrol officer responding to a high

4972
03:00:09,000 --> 03:00:12,320
volume of calls, and so they would rely

4973
03:00:12,320 --> 03:00:14,160
pretty much, exclusively on complaints

4974
03:00:14,160 --> 03:00:16,360
from residents to help them

4975
03:00:16,360 --> 03:00:18,240
know where to go, and they wouldn't

4976
03:00:18,240 --> 03:00:20,160
necessarily be actively patrolling with

4977
03:00:20,160 --> 03:00:22,400
this issue in mind.

4978
03:00:22,400 --> 03:00:23,880
Um

4979
03:00:23,880 --> 03:00:25,680
Also, there the council should be aware

4980
03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:27,920
that there are limitations on how the

4981
03:00:27,920 --> 03:00:30,080
ordinance is written. So, if you have

4982
03:00:30,080 --> 03:00:31,360
any questions about why there are

4983
03:00:31,360 --> 03:00:33,000
certain provisions in the ordinance

4984
03:00:33,000 --> 03:00:34,680
language itself,

4985
03:00:34,680 --> 03:00:36,440
the state actually requires that this be

4986
03:00:36,440 --> 03:00:39,800
primarily educational, and that there be

4987
03:00:39,800 --> 03:00:41,600
one warning given before issuing a

4988
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:42,960
citation.

4989
03:00:42,960 --> 03:00:44,040
So,

4990
03:00:44,040 --> 03:00:45,760
there's not likely to be a lot of fine

4991
03:00:45,760 --> 03:00:47,400
revenue accrued from this. I talked to

4992
03:00:47,400 --> 03:00:49,640
the eight other municipalities in Utah

4993
03:00:49,640 --> 03:00:53,440
that have an anti-idling ordinance for

4994
03:00:53,440 --> 03:00:56,360
all cars, not just for trucks, and uh

4995
03:00:56,360 --> 03:00:57,680
none of them were able to provide me a

4996
03:00:57,680 --> 03:00:59,320
record that indicates they've ever

4997
03:00:59,320 --> 03:01:00,880
enforced a fine

4998
03:01:00,880 --> 03:01:03,670
on this.

4999
03:01:03,680 --> 03:01:11,480
» And so, there's the ability for

5000
03:01:11,480 --> 03:01:13,040
officers to

5001
03:01:13,040 --> 03:01:14,160
knock on the door and say, "You got to

5002
03:01:14,160 --> 03:01:16,120
shut it off, right?" That's the basic

5003
03:01:16,120 --> 03:01:16,520
gist.

5004
03:01:16,520 --> 03:01:18,320
>> Exactly. As I talked with the officers

5005
03:01:18,320 --> 03:01:20,200
in other areas,

5006
03:01:20,200 --> 03:01:22,040
uh that you know, their municipalities,

5007
03:01:22,040 --> 03:01:23,680
they they say enforcement, generally, is

5008
03:01:23,680 --> 03:01:25,600
low. Warnings, even, are generally very

5009
03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:28,400
low on a yearly basis, but there have

5010
03:01:28,400 --> 03:01:30,880
been those kind of rare instances where

5011
03:01:30,880 --> 03:01:32,760
idling has become a nuisance, it becomes

5012
03:01:32,760 --> 03:01:34,560
a problem, and they this gives them the

5013
03:01:34,560 --> 03:01:39,710
ability to to act on a a complaint.

5014
03:01:39,720 --> 03:01:41,920
So, uh yeah, the proposal before the

5015
03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:43,680
council right now is to move this issue

5016
03:01:43,680 --> 03:01:45,560
to a night meeting, and I can answer any

5017
03:01:45,560 --> 03:01:51,110
follow-up questions you have.

5018
03:01:51,120 --> 03:01:53,910
» Makes sense.

5019
03:01:53,920 --> 03:01:56,920
» So, I was noticing that you talked about

5020
03:01:56,920 --> 03:01:58,440
the different classes of vehicles, and

5021
03:01:58,440 --> 03:02:01,400
this is only going to apply to like the

5022
03:02:01,400 --> 03:02:03,880
biggest of the trucks that would

5023
03:02:03,880 --> 03:02:06,280
potentially be idling. So, this wouldn't

5024
03:02:06,280 --> 03:02:08,600
affect

5025
03:02:08,600 --> 03:02:10,800
um I think last year during the season

5026
03:02:10,800 --> 03:02:15,120
at some point we had some um big vans or

5027
03:02:15,120 --> 03:02:18,280
big trucks, buses parked next to the

5028
03:02:18,280 --> 03:02:20,560
Covey Center for the cast. So, it

5029
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:22,360
wouldn't affect them because that's a

5030
03:02:22,360 --> 03:02:25,040
class C um transport thing.

5031
03:02:25,040 --> 03:02:25,680
>> Right.

5032
03:02:25,680 --> 03:02:28,880
>> Um and it wouldn't necessarily attract

5033
03:02:28,880 --> 03:02:31,320
or it wouldn't affect the people who go

5034
03:02:31,320 --> 03:02:33,000
and

5035
03:02:33,000 --> 03:02:37,600
camp out in the BYU parking lot

5036
03:02:37,600 --> 03:02:39,480
during Is it

5037
03:02:39,480 --> 03:02:39,800
>> No.

5038
03:02:39,800 --> 03:02:42,000
>> during Education Week where they're

5039
03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:44,960
there with their trailers and and RVs.

5040
03:02:44,960 --> 03:02:46,920
So, it doesn't affect that use either.

5041
03:02:46,920 --> 03:02:48,320
>> No, it would not affect recreational

5042
03:02:48,320 --> 03:02:50,240
vehicles. It would not affect people

5043
03:02:50,240 --> 03:02:51,800
picking up kids from school. It would

5044
03:02:51,800 --> 03:02:53,400
not affect people waiting in the park

5045
03:02:53,400 --> 03:02:57,080
parking lot after sports practice.

5046
03:02:57,080 --> 03:02:58,160
>> All right.

5047
03:02:58,160 --> 03:02:59,960
I just wanted to to be clear that this

5048
03:02:59,960 --> 03:03:02,040
is actually a fairly limited thing for

5049
03:03:02,040 --> 03:03:05,000
just a particular kind of vehicle that's

5050
03:03:05,000 --> 03:03:06,400
>> The big rigs and semis.

5051
03:03:06,400 --> 03:03:08,440
>> Yeah, big rigs and semis. Those will all

5052
03:03:08,440 --> 03:03:10,440
be diesel and those are the ones where

5053
03:03:10,440 --> 03:03:13,560
we have gotten complaints from

5054
03:03:13,560 --> 03:03:15,920
adjacent residents who are noticing the

5055
03:03:15,920 --> 03:03:17,360
noise and the fumes.

5056
03:03:17,360 --> 03:03:18,720
>> Sure, yes.

5057
03:03:18,720 --> 03:03:20,880
Yeah, so I put this this image up on the

5058
03:03:20,880 --> 03:03:21,960
screen. So, it would only apply to

5059
03:03:21,960 --> 03:03:23,680
combination unit trucks, so tractor

5060
03:03:23,680 --> 03:03:27,440
trailer that are weighted over a certain

5061
03:03:27,440 --> 03:03:33,150
gross vehicle weight rating.

5062
03:03:33,160 --> 03:03:35,520
» Uh thank you. So,

5063
03:03:35,520 --> 03:03:39,400
I think this makes sense. I think it's narrowly crafted and and makes

5064
03:03:39,400 --> 03:03:41,560
sense. The the one thing that I just was

5065
03:03:41,560 --> 03:03:43,880
a little curious about is why 1 minute

5066
03:03:43,880 --> 03:03:46,560
as opposed to to two. I guess my only

5067
03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:47,960
thought is like

5068
03:03:47,960 --> 03:03:49,640
if you need to warm it up in the winter

5069
03:03:49,640 --> 03:03:50,640
or something and there's just like a

5070
03:03:50,640 --> 03:03:52,160
little bit of like transitional time

5071
03:03:52,160 --> 03:03:54,440
where they're idling, is it actually too

5072
03:03:54,440 --> 03:03:55,520
strict? Like, where did you land on the

5073
03:03:55,520 --> 03:03:56,600
1 minute?

5074
03:03:56,600 --> 03:03:58,120
>> Yeah, so I have a spreadsheet where I

5075
03:03:58,120 --> 03:04:01,000
compiled the the criteria from those

5076
03:04:01,000 --> 03:04:02,680
eight other

5077
03:04:02,680 --> 03:04:04,640
um eight other municipalities that have

5078
03:04:04,640 --> 03:04:06,200
an anti-idling ordinance. The most

5079
03:04:06,200 --> 03:04:08,160
common one was 1 minute. There are other

5080
03:04:08,160 --> 03:04:10,240
people who do two and three. So, if at

5081
03:04:10,240 --> 03:04:11,720
the council's discretion, you can change

5082
03:04:11,720 --> 03:04:13,760
that. I I don't I'm just passionate

5083
03:04:13,760 --> 03:04:16,080
about that particular point.

5084
03:04:16,080 --> 03:04:18,240
>> I imagine the real the I mean, correct

5085
03:04:18,240 --> 03:04:19,800
me, I imagine the real problem is not a

5086
03:04:19,800 --> 03:04:21,520
minute when people are warming up their

5087
03:04:21,520 --> 03:04:22,960
truck or whatever, it's leaving them on

5088
03:04:22,960 --> 03:04:24,640
for a long time while they're in the cab

5089
03:04:24,640 --> 03:04:27,280
watching movies or whatever.

5090
03:04:27,280 --> 03:04:28,280
>> That's what I was saying.

5091
03:04:28,280 --> 03:04:30,320
>> yeah.

5092
03:04:30,320 --> 03:04:32,880
>> So, I just want to clarify

5093
03:04:32,880 --> 03:04:35,440
we do have

5094
03:04:35,440 --> 03:04:38,440
a limited amount of truck parking space

5095
03:04:38,440 --> 03:04:39,360
here.

5096
03:04:39,360 --> 03:04:42,920
And we can't shut that down completely

5097
03:04:42,920 --> 03:04:45,480
because we do need trucks to deliver to

5098
03:04:45,480 --> 03:04:47,080
our people.

5099
03:04:47,080 --> 03:04:51,040
And Walmart has been a big player in

5100
03:04:51,040 --> 03:04:54,240
Lehi, even from what I understand.

5101
03:04:54,240 --> 03:04:55,880
They They advertise it, so the truckers

5102
03:04:55,880 --> 03:04:57,480
know to go there. And Walmart in

5103
03:04:57,480 --> 03:04:59,280
Springville, I've I've witnessed more

5104
03:04:59,280 --> 03:05:01,160
than 10. My goodness.

5105
03:05:01,160 --> 03:05:02,520
And I'm witnessing more and more and

5106
03:05:02,520 --> 03:05:04,120
more in this day. This day is starting

5107
03:05:04,120 --> 03:05:05,240
to become a

5108
03:05:05,240 --> 03:05:06,960
truck parking center.

5109
03:05:06,960 --> 03:05:09,520
So, I didn't want I

5110
03:05:09,520 --> 03:05:11,200
when I did this

5111
03:05:11,200 --> 03:05:12,920
I didn't want to restrict where they go

5112
03:05:12,920 --> 03:05:15,160
because there are more problems with

5113
03:05:15,160 --> 03:05:16,480
them using the bathrooms out in the

5114
03:05:16,480 --> 03:05:22,760
parking lot and other things, but that's a whole different issue. And I didn't want

5115
03:05:22,760 --> 03:05:24,760
to go down that rabbit hole, either. And

5116
03:05:24,760 --> 03:05:26,680
I didn't want to restrict it to just

5117
03:05:26,680 --> 03:05:28,920
every single vehicle in the city because

5118
03:05:28,920 --> 03:05:30,040
this is where we're getting the

5119
03:05:30,040 --> 03:05:31,560
complaints and this is where I can see

5120
03:05:31,560 --> 03:05:33,160
it's becoming a bigger and bigger bigger

5121
03:05:33,160 --> 03:05:35,480
issue. So, if the human waste problem

5122
03:05:35,480 --> 03:05:36,800
becomes more of a problem, we have to

5123
03:05:36,800 --> 03:05:38,880
come back and address that.

5124
03:05:38,880 --> 03:05:40,160
Because, you know

5125
03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:41,560
truck stops for ladies dollar in front

5126
03:05:41,560 --> 03:05:43,080
of the bathrooms and

5127
03:05:43,080 --> 03:05:44,600
food and

5128
03:05:44,600 --> 03:05:46,280
all other kinds of things. But, there's

5129
03:05:46,280 --> 03:05:49,560
that Yeah. Yeah, so that's why this is

5130
03:05:49,560 --> 03:05:52,480
so limiting and so narrow. I figured if

5131
03:05:52,480 --> 03:05:55,000
council had the appetite to go bigger,

5132
03:05:55,000 --> 03:05:57,440
to go all vehicles, which I didn't have

5133
03:05:57,440 --> 03:05:58,920
And that was a discussion the council

5134
03:05:58,920 --> 03:06:02,270
could have.

5135
03:06:02,280 --> 03:06:02,520
» I can

5136
03:06:02,520 --> 03:06:04,360
>> I like the narrow focus.

5137
03:06:04,360 --> 03:06:05,920
>> Great. I just wanted to add Councillor

5138
03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:07,480
Whitlock because I just looked put up a

5139
03:06:07,480 --> 03:06:09,160
spreadsheet. There I actually misspoke.

5140
03:06:09,160 --> 03:06:10,480
There are three cities that have a

5141
03:06:10,480 --> 03:06:12,280
1-minute time limit and there are five

5142
03:06:12,280 --> 03:06:13,960
that have two. So, there's actually more

5143
03:06:13,960 --> 03:06:15,880
cities that have two than one. I don't

5144
03:06:15,880 --> 03:06:17,080
know if it will make much of a

5145
03:06:17,080 --> 03:06:18,800
difference cuz as you say, it's not

5146
03:06:18,800 --> 03:06:21,160
necessarily a police officer sees them

5147
03:06:21,160 --> 03:06:22,280
and then starts timing them. They're

5148
03:06:22,280 --> 03:06:24,040
responding to a complaint. They'll wait

5149
03:06:24,040 --> 03:06:25,440
for an adequate amount of time and then

5150
03:06:25,440 --> 03:06:28,120
they'll they'll make the contact. So.

5151
03:06:28,120 --> 03:06:29,000
But if you'd like to change if the

5152
03:06:29,000 --> 03:06:30,560
council wants wants to change it from 1

5153
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:35,950
to 2, I I don't mind either way.

5154
03:06:35,960 --> 03:06:39,470
» All right. Do you have a motion?

5155
03:06:39,480 --> 03:06:40,960
» We need a motion to move to

5156
03:06:40,960 --> 03:06:41,920
>> Yeah, they want a motion to bring it

5157
03:06:41,920 --> 03:06:43,800
back to evening meeting.

5158
03:06:43,800 --> 03:06:46,480
>> I make a motion that we bring it back to

5159
03:06:46,480 --> 03:06:48,160
the next evening meeting.

5160
03:06:48,160 --> 03:06:49,560
>> Second.

5161
03:06:49,560 --> 03:06:51,400
>> All right. By next we're talking not

5162
03:06:51,400 --> 03:06:53,320
tonight, but

5163
03:06:53,320 --> 03:06:54,480
>> Yeah.

5164
03:06:54,480 --> 03:06:56,200
>> Uh 24th.

5165
03:06:56,200 --> 03:06:57,800
>> All right. We'll take Any discussion on

5166
03:06:57,800 --> 03:07:00,670
the motion?

5167
03:07:00,680 --> 03:07:01,560
All right. We'll do a vote on the

5168
03:07:01,560 --> 03:07:03,560
motion. Um Councillor McKay, yes.

5169
03:07:03,560 --> 03:07:05,080
Councillor Christensen is excused.

5170
03:07:05,080 --> 03:07:06,120
Councillor Whitlock?

5171
03:07:06,120 --> 03:07:06,720
>> Yes.

5172
03:07:06,720 --> 03:07:07,600
>> Councillor Bogdan?

5173
03:07:07,600 --> 03:07:08,040
>> Yes.

5174
03:07:08,040 --> 03:07:09,120
>> Councillor Holden?

5175
03:07:09,120 --> 03:07:09,560
>> Yes.

5176
03:07:09,560 --> 03:07:10,640
>> Councillor Whipple?

5177
03:07:10,640 --> 03:07:11,240
>> Yes.

5178
03:07:11,240 --> 03:07:12,080
>> Councillor Garrett?

5179
03:07:12,080 --> 03:07:12,680
>> Yes.

5180
03:07:12,680 --> 03:07:14,200
>> So, that passes.

5181
03:07:14,200 --> 03:07:15,640
>> unanimously

5182
03:07:15,640 --> 03:07:17,040
>> All right. Thanks, Tanner.

5183
03:07:17,040 --> 03:07:18,560
>> Terrific. I'm going to be up there.

5184
03:07:18,560 --> 03:07:19,360
>> I think you're staying right there,

5185
03:07:19,360 --> 03:07:20,560
aren't you?

5186
03:07:20,560 --> 03:07:22,000
Um an ordinance requiring payment of

5187
03:07:22,000 --> 03:07:23,720
civil fines to renew a rental dwelling

5188
03:07:23,720 --> 03:07:25,440
license. This will also be presented by

5189
03:07:25,440 --> 03:07:27,120
Tanner.

5190
03:07:27,120 --> 03:07:32,710
>> Terrific.

5191
03:07:32,720 --> 03:07:37,040
All right. So, this is an ordinance

5192
03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:41,680
that will add a single grounds for uh

5193
03:07:41,680 --> 03:07:43,800
denial, revocation, and or suspension of

5194
03:07:43,800 --> 03:07:46,320
a rental dwelling license. It This issue

5195
03:07:46,320 --> 03:07:49,280
item is sponsored by Chair McKay and uh

5196
03:07:49,280 --> 03:07:51,400
Vice Chair Christensen.

5197
03:07:51,400 --> 03:07:55,040
The rationale for bringing this

5198
03:07:55,040 --> 03:07:57,960
is twofold. First of all, I should say

5199
03:07:57,960 --> 03:07:59,280
um

5200
03:07:59,280 --> 03:08:02,680
current code allows code enforcement

5201
03:08:02,680 --> 03:08:06,480
staff to deny, suspend, or revoke a

5202
03:08:06,480 --> 03:08:08,280
rental dwelling license for code

5203
03:08:08,280 --> 03:08:09,720
violations

5204
03:08:09,720 --> 03:08:12,040
uh as it stands right now. However, it

5205
03:08:12,040 --> 03:08:15,920
does not allow the staff to deny,

5206
03:08:15,920 --> 03:08:17,920
suspend, or revoke, otherwise I'll just

5207
03:08:17,920 --> 03:08:19,520
refer to it as losing or losing a

5208
03:08:19,520 --> 03:08:21,960
license. Does not allow the loss of a

5209
03:08:21,960 --> 03:08:23,480
license

5210
03:08:23,480 --> 03:08:25,840
in the case that there is outstanding

5211
03:08:25,840 --> 03:08:28,080
fines that has been unpaid. So, this is

5212
03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:31,400
what this ordinance seeks to address

5213
03:08:31,400 --> 03:08:34,350
right now.

5214
03:08:34,360 --> 03:08:35,800
So, it does two things as far as the

5215
03:08:35,800 --> 03:08:37,640
actual language of the ordinance. It

5216
03:08:37,640 --> 03:08:39,520
makes that single grounds, the failure

5217
03:08:39,520 --> 03:08:42,160
to pay outstanding fines, a grounds for

5218
03:08:42,160 --> 03:08:43,960
loss of a RDL.

5219
03:08:43,960 --> 03:08:45,960
And then it also adds clarity to

5220
03:08:45,960 --> 03:08:47,600
existing language just to make crystal

5221
03:08:47,600 --> 03:08:49,600
clear the fact that a violation in and

5222
03:08:49,600 --> 03:08:51,960
of itself is grounds for a denial,

5223
03:08:51,960 --> 03:08:54,960
suspension, or revocation.

5224
03:08:54,960 --> 03:08:56,640
So, this also I think has a relatively

5225
03:08:56,640 --> 03:08:58,160
limited scope. I made this graphic just

5226
03:08:58,160 --> 03:08:59,680
to illustrate what is actually being

5227
03:08:59,680 --> 03:09:01,800
impacted and what is not. So, in the in

5228
03:09:01,800 --> 03:09:03,120
the blue column with the blue house

5229
03:09:03,120 --> 03:09:04,320
here,

5230
03:09:04,320 --> 03:09:05,880
in the case where there's a violation,

5231
03:09:05,880 --> 03:09:08,080
the owner resolves that violation

5232
03:09:08,080 --> 03:09:10,200
without accruing any fines, and for

5233
03:09:10,200 --> 03:09:12,240
example, they they are able to correct

5234
03:09:12,240 --> 03:09:15,000
that violation within the 14 days on the

5235
03:09:15,000 --> 03:09:17,120
notice of violation.

5236
03:09:17,120 --> 03:09:18,840
Under current code, there's no risk that

5237
03:09:18,840 --> 03:09:20,880
they will have their RDL threatened or

5238
03:09:20,880 --> 03:09:22,840
they will lose it in any way. And then

5239
03:09:22,840 --> 03:09:24,240
under this proposal, that would still be

5240
03:09:24,240 --> 03:09:25,880
the case because they have come to

5241
03:09:25,880 --> 03:09:27,120
compliance and there are no fines

5242
03:09:27,120 --> 03:09:28,480
involved.

5243
03:09:28,480 --> 03:09:29,760
In the column with the green house on

5244
03:09:29,760 --> 03:09:31,560
the other end, we're talking about

5245
03:09:31,560 --> 03:09:33,040
someone who has failed to come into

5246
03:09:33,040 --> 03:09:35,520
compliance and they are accruing fines.

5247
03:09:35,520 --> 03:09:37,800
Under current code, they would be at

5248
03:09:37,800 --> 03:09:40,680
risk of having their, you know, denial

5249
03:09:40,680 --> 03:09:43,000
their their renewal denied

5250
03:09:43,000 --> 03:09:45,920
and having their license uh

5251
03:09:45,920 --> 03:09:47,440
suspended or revoked.

5252
03:09:47,440 --> 03:09:49,600
The part will be changing with this

5253
03:09:49,600 --> 03:09:51,880
proposed ordinance is if an owner has a

5254
03:09:51,880 --> 03:09:54,080
violation, they fail to correct it

5255
03:09:54,080 --> 03:09:56,200
within the required time frame, they

5256
03:09:56,200 --> 03:09:58,800
start to accrue fines, and then those

5257
03:09:58,800 --> 03:10:00,760
fines are not waived, and then they do

5258
03:10:00,760 --> 03:10:02,680
not pay the fines,

5259
03:10:02,680 --> 03:10:05,440
then, whereas before there was no risk

5260
03:10:05,440 --> 03:10:07,120
of losing the of having their losing

5261
03:10:07,120 --> 03:10:14,350
their RDL, now that risk does exist.

5262
03:10:14,360 --> 03:10:16,280
So, the potential benefits of this is

5263
03:10:16,280 --> 03:10:18,840
one, it and it serves as an incentive

5264
03:10:18,840 --> 03:10:20,840
for people to promptly pay the fines, so

5265
03:10:20,840 --> 03:10:22,760
you do not have lingering large

5266
03:10:22,760 --> 03:10:25,160
outstanding balances that are unpaid and

5267
03:10:25,160 --> 03:10:26,880
provides an incentive

5268
03:10:26,880 --> 03:10:28,680
to

5269
03:10:28,680 --> 03:10:30,160
have that accountability measure that

5270
03:10:30,160 --> 03:10:32,360
fine actually has the teeth to it. And

5271
03:10:32,360 --> 03:10:34,760
then secondly, the kind of less common

5272
03:10:34,760 --> 03:10:36,600
or less obvious

5273
03:10:36,600 --> 03:10:38,640
benefit of this would be in the case

5274
03:10:38,640 --> 03:10:41,280
that a denial or a suspension revocation

5275
03:10:41,280 --> 03:10:43,560
is challenged or appealed,

5276
03:10:43,560 --> 03:10:46,040
the having two grounds being question,

5277
03:10:46,040 --> 03:10:48,120
having the violation still exist in the

5278
03:10:48,120 --> 03:10:50,120
case of a revocation,

5279
03:10:50,120 --> 03:10:52,920
and having failed to pay fines, would

5280
03:10:52,920 --> 03:10:55,040
make the decision by the third-party

5281
03:10:55,040 --> 03:10:58,200
arbitrator arbitrator simpler.

5282
03:10:58,200 --> 03:10:59,680
In the case it will make the case the

5283
03:10:59,680 --> 03:11:02,200
city's case for hold upholding that

5284
03:11:02,200 --> 03:11:06,080
decision to deny, to suspend, or revoke

5285
03:11:06,080 --> 03:11:07,560
simpler. It will strengthen the city's

5286
03:11:07,560 --> 03:11:10,680
position, strengthen their arguments.

5287
03:11:10,680 --> 03:11:13,120
So, the proposed action for the council

5288
03:11:13,120 --> 03:11:14,880
is whether they want to continue the

5289
03:11:14,880 --> 03:11:17,080
discussion in a night meeting, or if

5290
03:11:17,080 --> 03:11:18,160
there's any further information you'd

5291
03:11:18,160 --> 03:11:20,720
like to learn from the staff.

5292
03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:22,520
>> Thanks so much, Tanner.

5293
03:11:22,520 --> 03:11:24,480
Um

5294
03:11:24,480 --> 03:11:26,720
Councilor Bucknum.

5295
03:11:26,720 --> 03:11:29,640
>> I like this and I'll support this.

5296
03:11:29,640 --> 03:11:31,080
The other thing that I have a question

5297
03:11:31,080 --> 03:11:33,680
on is what if you have

5298
03:11:33,680 --> 03:11:36,000
a rental company that owns multiple

5299
03:11:36,000 --> 03:11:40,560
rentals, and they're in violation here, here, and here.

5300
03:11:40,560 --> 03:11:42,560
To me that that would be something I

5301
03:11:42,560 --> 03:11:45,320
would also want to consider in

5302
03:11:45,320 --> 03:11:47,040
not allowing them to go forward with any

5303
03:11:47,040 --> 03:11:48,320
kind of

5304
03:11:48,320 --> 03:11:48,920
>> Yeah.

5305
03:11:48,920 --> 03:11:50,440
>> I mean even if they did pay the fines

5306
03:11:50,440 --> 03:11:52,480
and came into it, it just shows that

5307
03:11:52,480 --> 03:11:54,720
they're a repeated problem if they have

5308
03:11:54,720 --> 03:11:56,800
multiple properties that even come into

5309
03:11:56,800 --> 03:11:58,360
compliance in 2 weeks and then turn it

5310
03:11:58,360 --> 03:12:01,040
around and then go back into

5311
03:12:01,040 --> 03:12:02,800
the same issue that they did before.

5312
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:04,120
>> This has come up in the discussions

5313
03:12:04,120 --> 03:12:06,440
we've had as we've worked on this. So, I

5314
03:12:06,440 --> 03:12:08,160
don't I don't know I don't know if this

5315
03:12:08,160 --> 03:12:10,120
ordinance will address the the actual

5316
03:12:10,120 --> 03:12:13,480
effect effect of it, but if that LLC

5317
03:12:13,480 --> 03:12:15,480
that you're referring to in that example

5318
03:12:15,480 --> 03:12:17,000
has multiple properties on the same

5319
03:12:17,000 --> 03:12:18,920
license, all the properties on that

5320
03:12:18,920 --> 03:12:20,880
license would be affected by the denial

5321
03:12:20,880 --> 03:12:23,600
or revocation. However, if a big company

5322
03:12:23,600 --> 03:12:25,160
registers them under separate legal

5323
03:12:25,160 --> 03:12:27,440
entities, we would run into a problem

5324
03:12:27,440 --> 03:12:29,920
and you know, you could argue

5325
03:12:29,920 --> 03:12:31,120
that

5326
03:12:31,120 --> 03:12:32,560
an ordinance like this would incentivize

5327
03:12:32,560 --> 03:12:35,600
people to put things into separate

5328
03:12:35,600 --> 03:12:37,480
organizations for that purpose to in

5329
03:12:37,480 --> 03:12:41,320
order to parse out uh the effects of

5330
03:12:41,320 --> 03:12:44,240
that, but um

5331
03:12:44,240 --> 03:12:45,440
yes, that is something we've talked

5332
03:12:45,440 --> 03:12:46,040
about.

5333
03:12:46,040 --> 03:12:49,670
>> Okay.

5334
03:12:49,680 --> 03:12:52,400
Well, I make a motion that we

5335
03:12:52,400 --> 03:12:55,000
discuss this in a night meeting in 2

5336
03:12:55,000 --> 03:12:56,160
weeks.

5337
03:12:56,160 --> 03:12:58,960
>> I have a question.

5338
03:12:58,960 --> 03:12:59,960
>> Um

5339
03:12:59,960 --> 03:13:01,840
so,

5340
03:13:01,840 --> 03:13:03,400
I was just I was just actually rereading

5341
03:13:03,400 --> 03:13:05,880
the the language, but I can just ask is

5342
03:13:05,880 --> 03:13:08,200
um

5343
03:13:08,200 --> 03:13:10,040
is there is there any current mechanism

5344
03:13:10,040 --> 03:13:11,880
to basically like be on path to

5345
03:13:11,880 --> 03:13:13,720
compliance? Like for example, like enact

5346
03:13:13,720 --> 03:13:15,200
a payment plan or something along those

5347
03:13:15,200 --> 03:13:16,640
lines or is it just purely if you have

5348
03:13:16,640 --> 03:13:18,560
any unpaid fees, then that is grounds

5349
03:13:18,560 --> 03:13:20,960
for and there's no like there's no like

5350
03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:24,760
a judgment call from the from the city

5351
03:13:24,760 --> 03:13:25,960
under certain circumstances?

5352
03:13:25,960 --> 03:13:27,800
>> That's a great question. So, I've talked

5353
03:13:27,800 --> 03:13:29,320
with code enforcement team on this. They

5354
03:13:29,320 --> 03:13:30,880
have a lot of discretion about when to

5355
03:13:30,880 --> 03:13:34,080
enforce and when to be just for lack of

5356
03:13:34,080 --> 03:13:35,760
a better term express like leniency or

5357
03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:37,680
to work with them. I think it's either

5358
03:13:37,680 --> 03:13:39,200
pay the fine or to create a payment

5359
03:13:39,200 --> 03:13:40,400
plan, and we have Scott here that can

5360
03:13:40,400 --> 03:13:43,950
confirm whether that's true or not.

5361
03:13:43,960 --> 03:13:45,160
» I think it's on.

5362
03:13:45,160 --> 03:13:47,640
Um yeah, that's our intent is that um

5363
03:13:47,640 --> 03:13:49,720
unpaid fines would be there. They have

5364
03:13:49,720 --> 03:13:52,440
no arraignment with us to make payments

5365
03:13:52,440 --> 03:13:54,800
to come in to, you know, full payment

5366
03:13:54,800 --> 03:13:56,800
cuz sometimes these can

5367
03:13:56,800 --> 03:13:57,360
balloon up.

5368
03:13:57,360 --> 03:13:59,200
>> Get quite large, yeah.

5369
03:13:59,200 --> 03:14:01,600
>> It's ignoring us and fines are accruing

5370
03:14:01,600 --> 03:14:03,920
over a long period of time. It may be

5371
03:14:03,920 --> 03:14:06,560
difficult for somebody to um

5372
03:14:06,560 --> 03:14:08,480
pay, you know, thousands of dollars all

5373
03:14:08,480 --> 03:14:10,640
up front. Um but if they're willing to

5374
03:14:10,640 --> 03:14:12,080
come into an agreement with us to make

5375
03:14:12,080 --> 03:14:14,040
payments over time, we would not count

5376
03:14:14,040 --> 03:14:16,800
that as a non-payment or outstanding

5377
03:14:16,800 --> 03:14:18,240
payments. That would be they're on a

5378
03:14:18,240 --> 03:14:20,160
payment program. We're not going to come

5379
03:14:20,160 --> 03:14:21,640
after your license as long as you're

5380
03:14:21,640 --> 03:14:23,240
continuing to make those payments as

5381
03:14:23,240 --> 03:14:23,840
agreed.

5382
03:14:23,840 --> 03:14:24,920
>> Thank you. That makes sense.

5383
03:14:24,920 --> 03:14:26,320
>> And historically, they've done a few

5384
03:14:26,320 --> 03:14:28,040
presentations on when they work with

5385
03:14:28,040 --> 03:14:30,160
people, and they go as far as to like

5386
03:14:30,160 --> 03:14:32,000
rent a dumpster for them, help them do.

5387
03:14:32,000 --> 03:14:34,440
I mean, like they go out of their way to

5388
03:14:34,440 --> 03:14:38,350
be very considerate and helpful.

5389
03:14:38,360 --> 03:14:39,920
All right. So, Becky made a motion. I

5390
03:14:39,920 --> 03:14:41,880
will second the motion.

5391
03:14:41,880 --> 03:14:46,390
Um any discussion on the motion?

5392
03:14:46,400 --> 03:14:48,800
All right. We will vote.

5393
03:14:48,800 --> 03:14:51,000
Um Counselor Christensen is excused.

5394
03:14:51,000 --> 03:14:52,640
He's not online, right?

5395
03:14:52,640 --> 03:14:53,320
>> He's not online.

5396
03:14:53,320 --> 03:14:54,600
>> Okay. Counselor Whitlock.

5397
03:14:54,600 --> 03:14:55,200
>> Yes.

5398
03:14:55,200 --> 03:14:56,200
>> Counselor Bogdan.

5399
03:14:56,200 --> 03:14:56,760
>> Yes.

5400
03:14:56,760 --> 03:14:57,640
>> Counselor Holman.

5401
03:14:57,640 --> 03:14:58,200
>> Yes.

5402
03:14:58,200 --> 03:14:59,600
>> Counselor Whipple.

5403
03:14:59,600 --> 03:15:00,200
>> Yes.

5404
03:15:00,200 --> 03:15:01,240
>> Counselor Garrett.

5405
03:15:01,240 --> 03:15:01,680
>> Yes.

5406
03:15:01,680 --> 03:15:03,360
>> And Counselor McKay, yes.

5407
03:15:03,360 --> 03:15:05,120
So, that passes.

5408
03:15:05,120 --> 03:15:07,120
All right.

5409
03:15:07,120 --> 03:15:08,560
We will now recess the Provo City

5410
03:15:08,560 --> 03:15:09,680
Council work meeting, and we will

5411
03:15:09,680 --> 03:15:11,280
reconvene in the pre-function room to

5412
03:15:11,280 --> 03:15:14,520
continue the closed meeting.