1 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:40,469 Go ahead and start recording. 2 00:05:40,479 --> 00:05:47,670 » Thank you, sir. 3 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,600 Thanks for coming to T-Mac today, guys. 4 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,680 Uh March 19th. Uh we've got a pretty 5 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,120 nice agenda. I just want to do 6 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,360 introductions real quick. I am Beth 7 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,560 Province TAC chair. 8 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,800 >> No Gordon, T-Mac member. 9 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,199 >> Hello member Ashley. 10 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:10,080 >> Joseph Gandandy with public works. 11 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,800 David Keller, T-MAC. Now the central 12 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,680 district 13 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:22,309 >> body commission and T-MAC member 14 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:25,199 » right 15 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:28,240 team Nicholson public works. 16 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:38,150 >> I'm Khan Shore with public works. 17 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,720 » Is there anybody on 18 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,919 Yeah, I don't know. 19 00:06:43,919 --> 00:06:44,880 >> We'll see. 20 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,840 >> Okay, our first 21 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:50,479 >> come with us. Come join us. 22 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:52,960 >> Um our first action is an action item 23 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,000 approving the minutes from last um 24 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,520 time meeting February. February meeting. 25 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:06,160 Yes. Thank you. Um so uh anybody have 26 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,560 any changes that they want to make to 27 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,080 the 28 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,880 um from last time it was the MAG 29 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:18,230 discussion very informative. 30 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Nobody wants any changes any like to 31 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,520 approve the minutes from last time 32 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:24,960 to approve the minutes. 33 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,080 >> I'll second. Perfect. All in favor? 34 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,120 >> Yep. 35 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,759 >> Perfect. Okay. Uh, we have an annual 36 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:34,800 training by Kahhan today. I don't even 37 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,800 know where the annual training is. 38 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,360 >> We're all surprised. This will be great. 39 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,080 >> Yep. Well, I'll tell you this. I'm going 40 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,840 to be training myself more than training 41 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,230 you guys on this one. So, 42 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,560 let's see here. 43 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,440 So, for T-MAC code, we're required to 44 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,000 have annual training. And this is what 45 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,160 it basically goes over what T-MAC is, 46 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,639 how often we can meet, what are some 47 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:03,280 powers and duties of T-MAC, what are 48 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,759 stuff we're allowed to discuss, what 49 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:07,440 should be stuff that we should not be 50 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,000 discussing, goes over the overall how 51 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,400 meetings should be conducted on the 52 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,800 quorum, how questions should be handled 53 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,319 and just overall about the T-Mac itself. 54 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:21,919 Um, so it is created by city code. Um it 55 00:08:21,919 --> 00:08:24,240 is an appointment appointed body. The 56 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,000 mayor is the one that appoints the body 57 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,240 or the the the T-MAC uh itself uh with 58 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,959 the consent by the council. Uh right now 59 00:08:32,959 --> 00:08:35,360 we have seven members 60 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,519 which by code we're allowed to have up 61 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:40,719 to seven members um and also two members 62 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:43,039 at larger alternatives. We do have two 63 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:45,440 members at larger alternatives as well. 64 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,440 So right now we're sitting at total nine 65 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,080 members. Um so we don't have any 66 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,519 vacancies on that end. Um there are five 67 00:08:53,519 --> 00:08:56,080 municipal council districts and and we 68 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,760 got to have at least one member from 69 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,360 each of those municipal council 70 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,880 districts. 71 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,279 Um at least one member should be a 72 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:06,160 member of the planning commission. Um 73 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,880 one member should be um representative 74 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,760 of college level transportation academia 75 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,279 and then one member should be 76 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:15,360 representative of a business community 77 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,480 oriented organization. Um, yes, we have 78 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,360 David Ortado on that. And then a member 79 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,760 from the municipal council should be 80 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,560 appointed as a leazison to the T-mac. We 81 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:29,120 usually have one or two at least. Um, 82 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,880 this meeting looks like we do not have 83 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,760 any, which is fine. Um, 84 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,720 yes, they should be appointed and they 85 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,120 should and as many as possible. uh a 86 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,279 member of the city engineering division, 87 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:47,760 a member of the police department and 88 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,839 other applicable city staff shall be 89 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:53,040 appointed to act as leaison to the T-MAC 90 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,480 which we do have those as well. 91 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,800 So T-MAC is not an elected body. It is 92 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,440 not a final policy maker and it should 93 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,829 not represent a constituencies. 94 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:11,360 All the texts these are in our code. Um, 95 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,760 I can provide the link to the website as 96 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,240 well as I can send some PDFs discussing 97 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,200 all of these powers and duties. I don't 98 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,040 think I should be reading through all 99 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,279 the duties, but you're more than welcome 100 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:26,160 to read it on your own. And the PDF as 101 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,000 well, the link that I'll submit or 102 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,880 provide to the to the T-Mac members, you 103 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,160 guys are more than welcome to read 104 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,560 through that. Um, 105 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:38,959 so basically it's a recommendation body. 106 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:41,040 to recommend the adoption and alteration 107 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,839 of all rules, regulation, and ordinances 108 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:45,600 which it shall deem in the public 109 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,600 interest and for the purposes of 110 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,480 carrying out the objects of the Provo 111 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,160 City Code as it relates to 112 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,640 transportation and mobility. Uh 113 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,480 determine and establish such rules and 114 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,240 regulations for the conduct of the board 115 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,560 as the members shall deem um advisable. 116 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:05,120 Uh monitor the status of and make 117 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,880 recommendations for amendments to the 118 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,800 city's visioning documents. the general 119 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,880 plan, transportation master plan, the 120 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,800 major and local street plan, and any 121 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,279 other documentation. 122 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:16,959 Review regional, citywide, and 123 00:11:16,959 --> 00:11:18,640 significant local transportation 124 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,440 mobility issues as they relate to and 125 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,320 are affected by law and use policy, 126 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,880 balancing the interests in and needs of 127 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,920 people walking, walking, biking, riding, 128 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,399 transit, and um driving delivery trucks 129 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:34,399 and automobiles. 130 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:36,480 provide recommendations to the mayor, 131 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,959 municipal council, planning commission, 132 00:11:38,959 --> 00:11:41,440 and other city commissions and boards 133 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,079 regarding the priority, funding, and 134 00:11:44,079 --> 00:11:47,680 design of capital improvement projects. 135 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:50,160 Uh serve as a coordination body and 136 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,399 resource for organizations interested in 137 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:54,240 transportation and mobility issues 138 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,560 affecting the city. Promote public 139 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,800 education on transportation and mobility 140 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,880 issues affecting the affecting the city 141 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,760 and its residents. 142 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,760 conflict of interest. So basically it 143 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,040 what it does is they are T-MAC is 144 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,440 subject to the municipal officers and 145 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,079 employees ethics act. I will send you a 146 00:12:16,079 --> 00:12:18,480 document kind of going over and 147 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,560 discussing what that act is. So you're 148 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:23,600 more than welcome to look at that. 149 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,680 Uh what are some of the actions that we 150 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:27,920 should as TAC members should stay away 151 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,320 from? They cannot disclose confidential 152 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,279 information acquired by reason or of 153 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:35,279 official position or use the information 154 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:38,480 to secure special privileges. Cannot use 155 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,480 or attempt to use official position to 156 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,360 secure special privileges. Can cannot 157 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,839 knowingly take, seek or solicit any gift 158 00:12:45,839 --> 00:12:48,399 or loan if it tends to influence the 159 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:51,839 discharge of official duties. 160 00:12:51,839 --> 00:12:53,440 >> All the information in this meeting is 161 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,920 considered public knowledge, right? 162 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,200 Yes, we begin. 163 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,279 >> We're going to cover that in a second. 164 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:08,160 Yeah. So, it is a public meeting. Um the meeting is recorded. Public can 165 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,920 access it. They can they're more than 166 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,839 welcome to join in person via Zoom. Um 167 00:13:13,839 --> 00:13:15,600 they're more than welcome to comment. 168 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,880 Not that they have to comment. 169 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,320 What are some of the exceptions to 170 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,800 conflict of interest? An occasional 171 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,200 non-punerary gift having a value of less 172 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,120 than 50. An award publicly presented. 173 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,839 Any bonafidey um loan made in the 174 00:13:31,839 --> 00:13:34,560 ordinary course of business. Political 175 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:37,200 campaign contributions actually used in 176 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,639 a political campaign. 177 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:43,680 Uh conflicts requiring disclosure. 178 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:45,839 Basically any conflict that is not 179 00:13:45,839 --> 00:13:48,320 prohibited, you must disclose the 180 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,800 conflict. 181 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,000 um kind of talks about all possible 182 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,480 conflicts, the ones that for which we 183 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,959 should be disclosing and the ones that 184 00:13:58,959 --> 00:14:00,480 we should be completely staying away 185 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,160 from. 186 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,199 Um, consulates requiring disclosure that 187 00:14:05,199 --> 00:14:09,360 goes over the gifts, special privileges, 188 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,480 uh, being an officer, director, agent, 189 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,480 employee or owner of a substantial 190 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,800 interest, at least 10% of a business 191 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,160 entity regulated by Pula City. 192 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,399 Um and then similar all those people 193 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:24,720 with 10% of a business doing business 194 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,360 with public city having a personal 195 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,360 interest or investment which creates a 196 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,600 conflict between public duties and the 197 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,160 personal interest. 198 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,040 It is a open meeting. 199 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,870 So meetings 200 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,360 they are basically 201 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,920 to convene a a public body with a quorum 202 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,519 present. So the quorum in this case 203 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:49,600 would be we have total seven members. We 204 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,440 need to have at least four members in 205 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,000 order to have a public meeting which in 206 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,320 this case T-Mac is a public meeting. 207 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,240 >> And what about the atlarge members? 208 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,320 >> So they it depends on how we have them. 209 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,800 They can be replacing some of the 210 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,480 members that are not present on that 211 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,199 day. 212 00:15:11,199 --> 00:15:14,160 Um some of the items in the open 213 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,000 meetings as far as DMAC is concerned 214 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,160 annual training is required which we 215 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,760 have been having these for the past 216 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,199 three four years that I recall. Um 217 00:15:23,199 --> 00:15:25,839 written unrecorded meeting minutes that 218 00:15:25,839 --> 00:15:27,360 is something that we provide at the 219 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:28,639 beginning of the meetings. You guys 220 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:30,480 review that and you guys approve those 221 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,360 uh meeting minutes. 222 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,600 Uh post schedule of annual meetings. We 223 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,839 do post these meetings, the monthly and 224 00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:39,440 the annual. Well, in this case, the 225 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,639 monthly covers the annual as well. And 226 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:45,199 then proper notice, we submit at least a 227 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:48,560 week in advance. Um, sometimes 228 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,800 even more than that, but our goal is to 229 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,680 post our schedule at least a week in 230 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,880 advance of the meeting. 231 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,959 Uh, T-MAC meetings are open to public, 232 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:01,360 but not a public hearing. Public comment 233 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,000 is not required. They're welcome, not 234 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,759 required. 235 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:08,399 grammar. Um, 236 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:11,600 so everything we record can be grammar. 237 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,959 So documents, email, voicemail, this 238 00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:18,240 meeting itself, T-MAC members are also 239 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,920 the individual T-MAC members. Anything 240 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,680 discussed in the T-mac, they're all 241 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,480 grammar. So if a grandma comes regarding 242 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,920 a T-MAC member, we are allowed to share 243 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,839 that information regarding the T-MAC 244 00:16:31,839 --> 00:16:35,040 member, which district they are from, 245 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,560 what are their background, things of 246 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,910 that nature. 247 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,639 Um, exarty communications. So public 248 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:45,680 discussions should happen in public. 249 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,920 Um what this does is this protects the 250 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,639 integrity of the process 251 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:52,880 and it also relieves um undue pressure 252 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,920 on TMAC members. 253 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,160 So some of the parliamentary procedures 254 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,360 consider one thing at a time uh ensure 255 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,759 justice, courtesy and equal treatment to 256 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:05,839 all members. Serve the will of the 257 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:07,679 majority preserve the right of the 258 00:17:07,679 --> 00:17:10,480 minority to be heard. 259 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,880 Meeting does not start until a quorum is 260 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,039 present. Chair runs the meeting. Um, and 261 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:19,199 city ly follows Rod's rules of order. 262 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:22,079 So, T-MAC may adopt reasonable rules and 263 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,319 change rules procedures on majority 264 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:26,880 votes. 265 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,360 Chair calls meeting to order. That's the 266 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:31,919 one thing that I've noticed. Maybe we 267 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:33,840 are doing it, but when we are starting 268 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,360 the meeting, the first thing we got to 269 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,679 say is the time date and then we go to 270 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:40,160 the introduction. 271 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,799 >> They didn't say March 19th. 272 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:45,600 Should we get Beth to gamble? 273 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,080 >> Oh my god. 274 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,590 >> We should, right? 275 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,280 » A bus handle. 276 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,880 >> Yeah. 277 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,360 Um and then read the first agenda items 278 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,320 into the record. Clarify the action to 279 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,960 be taken. Take um T-MAC members declare 280 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,760 any conflicts. 281 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,160 >> Uh in the team when we when we introduce 282 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,520 ourselves, we should be saying if we 283 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,440 have a conflict, right? 284 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,039 like on planning commission when it goes 285 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:16,559 around we say this is my name I have no 286 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:19,280 conflict so each team act member 287 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,559 according to that rule should 288 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:21,919 technically be declaring that 289 00:18:21,919 --> 00:18:23,520 >> meeting 290 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,200 >> every single meeting so at the beginning 291 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,960 when you saying you are 292 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,559 >> each of us should probably since that's 293 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:30,960 a requirement be saying no conflict 294 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,559 >> especially if you have a conflict then 295 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:35,200 you should say for sure 296 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,520 >> in the T-Mac meetings um staff 297 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,080 presentation staff can present 298 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,799 Uh public comment is welcome. T-MAC 299 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:44,559 discussion that's when you guys discuss 300 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:47,440 any item or the items in the agenda. Ask 301 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,440 for a motion which the chair will call 302 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,120 for that. Um the main motion again the 303 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,360 chair will call for that. It requires a 304 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,360 second. If there is no second then the 305 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:00,720 actual or the main motion dies. Um chair 306 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,240 restates the motion. 307 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,200 Um chair opens uh debate. Chair calls 308 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,840 the question. 309 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,840 And then the secondary motion it helped 310 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,320 dispose of the main motion can be made 311 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,280 during debate on main motion and it 312 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,280 deals with them well the chair deals 313 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,600 with them in the order. 314 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,760 Uh the secondary motion follows the main 315 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,720 motion. It could be amending something. 316 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,559 So if it's amending that's the wording 317 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:30,880 we should follow. And if we do not have 318 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,799 time or would like to discuss this in 319 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:34,480 the coming meetings then we should be 320 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,880 following that language. a motion to 321 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,400 continue in the next meeting or 322 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:44,950 following meeting 323 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,520 fairness. Um 324 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,919 if a person that is not involved in 325 00:19:49,919 --> 00:19:52,559 TMAC, if that person is here present and 326 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,640 they're listening to the T-mac, they 327 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,559 should feel that everybody got treated 328 00:19:56,559 --> 00:19:58,640 fair. That's kind of how the definition 329 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,240 of the fair is for T-Mac purposes 330 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,480 and that's about it. Any 331 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,600 questions, comments, concerns? Oh, 332 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,440 >> part of my role on the T-MAC committee 333 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,880 is being a local business owner, but 334 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,640 also that does present some conflicts of 335 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,280 interest from time to time. 336 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,760 Um, not that I feel like I've ever had a 337 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,480 problem, but it's conceivable that 338 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,760 business could come before the committee 339 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,640 that I would have a a financial stake 340 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,039 in. So, should I just always introduce 341 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:35,440 myself as I have a conflict or 342 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,360 >> I would if it's obvious that you would 343 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,360 have a conflict. Otherwise, you would 344 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:41,360 just bring it up during the meeting. I I 345 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:42,640 recognize that I would have a conflict 346 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,320 on this item. So, I'm going to abstain 347 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,679 from it. 348 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:46,480 >> Yes, 349 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,159 >> you can still sit in the room. I think 350 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:50,159 sometimes you're supposed to leave 351 00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:52,159 >> that and you cannot take part in the 352 00:20:52,159 --> 00:20:53,360 motion itself or 353 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:54,640 >> but you also can't be part of the 354 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:55,039 discussion. 355 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:57,360 >> That's a discussion either. So at the 356 00:20:57,360 --> 00:20:58,880 beginning once you see the agenda you're 357 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,720 more than welcome to say that hey I 358 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,240 believe I have a conflict that's why you 359 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,919 disclose if there's a conflict of 360 00:21:03,919 --> 00:21:06,880 interest if any kind you disclose that 361 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,799 and you're more than welcome to or you 362 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:10,159 could let us know in advance if you 363 00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:11,200 don't want to come to the actual 364 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,039 meeting. 365 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:14,720 >> But I also think that maybe what you're 366 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,000 saying is sometime you don't know you 367 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,280 have a conflict till we start talking 368 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,720 about it and at that point I think it's 369 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,159 perfectly reasonable to say in the 370 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:21,280 middle of the meeting just like I 371 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,559 realize I might have a conflict with 372 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:24,799 this. I don't think I've ever personally 373 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:28,720 had a conflict with any of the items 374 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,000 we've talked about like 375 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,280 >> or I may have a perceived conflict. 376 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,640 Somebody might think I have a conflict 377 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,080 of interest. I just want to make it 378 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,760 >> talking about these electric motorcycles 379 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,280 and I don't sell them but I sell 380 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,480 something that kind of competes with 381 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,159 them. 382 00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:42,480 My push has always been well we just 383 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,000 need to apply the law fairly for all 384 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,240 types of vehicles. Um but I do have an 385 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,320 interest in that. 386 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,679 >> Could just sell them. I think you've 387 00:21:51,679 --> 00:21:53,120 done a good job at disclosing that 388 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:59,440 interest and honestly your role in that business is what makes 389 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,760 you valuable to this body. 390 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,840 >> And so like because you're not pushing 391 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,520 for a an ordinance that would adversely 392 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,320 or promotionally benefit your business 393 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,280 like I have not observed any conflict. 394 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,559 >> Yeah. I think the only time it's really 395 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:16,320 genuinely a conflict is if you're going 396 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,600 to gain something from it. Like 397 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,039 sometimes we'll have in planning 398 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:20,320 commission something that's in our 399 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,400 neighborhoods that obviously we care 400 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,559 about more than others. But as long as 401 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:26,880 you can make a reasonable judgment, we 402 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,720 don't have to declare that a conflict of 403 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,240 >> if we were discussing an ordinance to 404 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,120 ban Vesta motor scooters 405 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:34,799 probably shouldn't participate in that 406 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:40,070 discussion. 407 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,960 » You're welcome to observe though. 408 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,960 >> I would say also the way you refuse 409 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,200 yourself. I I attended a city council 410 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,720 meeting once my mountain proone where I 411 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,200 work the city council member said I need 412 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,360 to recuse myself on this issue because I 413 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,960 have a financial interest in this and 414 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,400 although I think it's an incredible 415 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,559 project and I think it would be great I can't say that in this meeting. So 416 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:05,600 basically he just gave it you know stamp 417 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,360 approval that's not how you 418 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,640 >> Yeah. Yeah. And like in 419 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,559 conversely like I am an employee of 420 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:17,440 Brigham Young University which touches 421 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,120 almost every conversation we have in 422 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:20,640 this meeting but I have no 423 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,880 decision-making power at BYU and no one 424 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,600 could suggest that I do. So I'm happy to 425 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,559 comment continue commenting on policies 426 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:39,590 that affect BYU. 427 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,159 No, that was good. Thank you, David. Um, 428 00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:43,760 you see a page I'll send this, you can 429 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,320 find us as well. This goes over our um 430 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,039 the city code also discusses all the 431 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:50,799 powers and duties that we just went 432 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:54,080 over. Um, 433 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,960 our public city council districts, five 434 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,880 districts, we have at least a member 435 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,720 representing each district, which is 436 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,840 good. And then our current um T-MAC 437 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,480 roster, that's all our T-MAC members. 438 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,520 um and which districts they are from, 439 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,120 how many terms they have been, how many 440 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:14,720 terms that are left. If you need that 441 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,480 information, let me know. I'll be more 442 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,679 than welcome to send you that 443 00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:21,350 information. 444 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:25,350 » Any other questions, comments? 445 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:26,960 » Thank you so much. We appreciate that. 446 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,080 do that. 447 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,559 >> H we are going to actually push item 448 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,919 agenda four to the bottom for now 449 00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:37,440 because we haven't heard uh like a full 450 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,200 update on the engineering project for a 451 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,960 while I feel like. So we're going to let 452 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,400 them update us. Yes. 453 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,919 So yeah, that's you again. 454 00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:48,480 >> Okay. Well, let's see. So the first one 455 00:24:48,480 --> 00:25:00,950 we're going to cover 456 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,520 digging down the green. 457 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,200 >> I saw the warning about watch out for 458 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,630 the maybe 459 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,360 things will be in motion. 460 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:17,120 >> So the first uh project um this is our 461 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,559 2026 Pro city crack seal project. Um 462 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,480 this is something that Mr. Mikkelson. He 463 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,480 has been running this um show and this 464 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,159 year he decided he wanted me to get 465 00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:30,960 involved. So he he gave me some um 466 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,880 helpful insights and uh we're just 467 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,640 carrying on with our crack steel 468 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,000 project. So we'll be touching some of 469 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,520 our major roads but overall this year we 470 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,279 went a little bit on the heavier side as 471 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,000 far as the um crack seal is concerned. 472 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,480 Uh the pricing that we got were actually 473 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,600 pretty surprisingly well. Uh which makes 474 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,600 us believe we might want to even add on 475 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,430 to it if we have if we wanted to. 476 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:05,110 » Nothing on this project. 477 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,799 » It is but most of the products already 478 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:08,480 made so it doesn't really affect 479 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,710 anything for this project. 480 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,559 So, Hullbrook Assault um is our selected 481 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:19,919 contractor. We have them on board. Uh 482 00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:22,559 they are expected to start next week or 483 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:24,640 the week following. So, we're going to 484 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,279 be starting this one soon. 485 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,840 Uh like I said, we're hitting uh a lot 486 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,520 of roads. 487 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,520 Uh and at some point, we are going to 488 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,600 we're going to discuss if we wanted to 489 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,200 add a little bit more to this, but for 490 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:44,789 now, we're going to stick here. 491 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:50,630 That's it. Not a whole lot on this one. 492 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:58,710 Okay, let's see. We have Mr. Miklson. 493 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,559 David D present the next item. So, 494 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:08,310 David, thank you. 495 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,799 All righty. 496 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,400 You can just start. I just got one slide 497 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,950 in there. 498 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,520 Okay. So, you can go to the next slide. 499 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,440 Don't push play yet. No one will listen 500 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,120 to me. But I'm just kidding. 501 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,360 >> Um, so it's kind of been about two 502 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:26,799 months because we didn't quite update it 503 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:28,720 in February with the mag presentation. 504 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,799 So, the last two months quite a bit has 505 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,200 happened. We finished all the drilled 506 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,400 shafts. We finished the two abutments 507 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,159 and we have girders in place. So, that 508 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,000 was only three things, but that's a lot 509 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,480 uh big milestones. And so, now you'll 510 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,240 see a lot taking shape over the next 511 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,039 couple weeks. This is kind of when more 512 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:50,320 visible stuff will actually be 513 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,520 happening. So, you can play this is just 514 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,799 time lapse over the last two months. 515 00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:58,240 This, you can see these operations, 516 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,000 they're just doing the drill shafts and 517 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,600 putting those piles in. 518 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,919 I'll finish up and you'll see them frame 519 00:28:05,919 --> 00:28:11,510 the abutments. 520 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,279 down 521 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,799 and then they're starting framing time 522 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,240 bar and they'll pour. 523 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,000 We get our one snowstorm. 524 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,320 >> Yeah. 525 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:31,190 >> Pour the other one. 526 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,279 Oh yeah, that was another big milestone 527 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,440 too. We are out of the river officially. 528 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,880 Uh, so we got all our rip wrap and our 529 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,760 coffer dams out and so the river is now 530 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,520 no longer 531 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,840 >> and that was on Monday when all that got 532 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,240 done. So, but right now they're just 533 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,679 stabilizing the girders, getting 534 00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:50,240 everything in place. They'll get to 535 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,320 start framing for the deck and we'll 536 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,559 you'll see the deck being poured in a 537 00:28:54,559 --> 00:29:00,640 couple weeks. And then on the left side that um the covert wall there 538 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,240 uh that will be poured in the next week 539 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,520 or two as well. Um, so we're getting 540 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,279 closer. 541 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,720 That's where the bridge is at starting to take. 542 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,640 >> Um, 543 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,320 >> there's a lot of traffic diverting to 544 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,159 the River Grove neighborhood 545 00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:19,279 >> and often at high speeds there. We're 546 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,039 looking 547 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,640 into that at all. 548 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,640 >> The designated the designated detour is 549 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,679 500 north. 550 00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:26,880 >> But a lot of people have learned that 551 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,559 oh, we can zip through these residential 552 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,320 streets that come in on Columbia Lane, 553 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:30,720 right? 554 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,000 >> When they do that, they're usually doing 555 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,919 3540 556 00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:37,600 Um, I don't know. That's 557 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,440 >> maybe just get with police and see if 558 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,120 they want to go park a car out there and 559 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,360 just get some enforcement on it. Far as 560 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,600 use of public roads and public roads, 561 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,279 but as far as speeding, I think that's 562 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:48,720 something we could look into and seeing 563 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:55,350 if we could crack down. 564 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,080 » Uh, yes, the project is going to happen 565 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,840 on time. We are going to extend the 566 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,279 project a little bit just with some 567 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:05,039 changes that uh we've been making on the 568 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,760 uh trail structure to try to make it a 569 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,279 little bit better waterproofed. And 570 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:10,720 we're also going to be adding a mural 571 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,559 underneath rather than doing like 572 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:15,279 recessed concrete. Um and so those have 573 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:16,559 kind of added a little bit. We're still 574 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:18,080 going to finish our goal is to finish 575 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,279 and have it open by July 4th. Um, and so 576 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,120 early summer is when we're planning on 577 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,909 being done. 578 00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:29,360 » Because you never get to do projects 579 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,880 this cool. 580 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,029 >> It is pretty great. 581 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:36,480 » Well, I mean like most of what they do 582 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,559 is street maintenance, right? This is 583 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:44,389 the cool stuff. We got two weeks. 584 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:47,360 » Good job. 585 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,159 >> It's fun to see 586 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:52,720 Are they called Ger? 587 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,470 >> It's fun to see those 588 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,750 » very nice 589 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,669 concrete curves. 590 00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:05,039 » Thank you. 591 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,279 >> That's it for A20. 592 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:18,789 Okay. 593 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,320 » You can just zoom in on that one 594 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,200 section. 595 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,720 So this year's road rehab, we're 596 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,080 focusing on one area. Um 597 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,480 we it's something that we're trying 598 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,240 there's so our main roads here that 599 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,919 we're addressing is center street and 600 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:36,880 northeast um being our own and collector 601 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,039 roads there and while we're there we're 602 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:40,240 trying to hit some of those residential 603 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,039 roads that are in need of repair. Um, 604 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:45,200 our pricing all came lower this year 605 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,559 because of the proximity of the project. 606 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,159 And so I talked to my contractor about 607 00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:52,080 it and they said even though pricing for 608 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,279 them has gone up costs for everything, 609 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,279 we've been able to get lower pricing on 610 00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,760 our end uh just because of how much they 611 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,200 can get done in production and 612 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,880 everything here. So we've tried to 613 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,880 remove we've removed all of our concrete 614 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,640 work. We did that last year for this 615 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,559 area so that we could just have a 616 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,159 seamless, you know, mill and overlay 617 00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:11,919 project. And it's something that we're 618 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:13,519 testing and I think right now we're 619 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,840 looking at uh starting in June and 620 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,440 they'll they feel like they can get it 621 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,039 done very quickly just because of the 622 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,279 proximity and and the production they'll 623 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:22,960 be able to get on all their asphalt. So 624 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,960 we should be able to see a pretty quick 625 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,830 road rehab project this year. 626 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,679 » It should be done as well. 627 00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:33,600 >> Yeah. 628 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:39,509 >> Students leave or they come back, right? 629 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:41,360 the impact. 630 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,519 >> Will you shut off parking on the streets 631 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,039 all at the same time or will you do one 632 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:45,840 street at a time? 633 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,760 >> It'll be I can't say it will be one 634 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,880 street at a time, but 635 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:49,360 >> smaller area 636 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,960 >> it'll be it won't be like the whole area 637 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,399 will be closed because that would be 638 00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:54,000 insane. I would have to tow every day 639 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,240 for hundreds and hundreds of cars. But 640 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,640 we'll just they'll phase it, but they'll 641 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,240 probably be moving through, you know, 642 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,000 they'll phase it, move through a mill 643 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,880 and be paving behind. So, they'll just 644 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,960 it'll be something we work through. 645 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,679 Um, is there notifications going out in 646 00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:10,399 the neighborhood? 647 00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:11,440 >> There will be. 648 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,480 >> They put flyers on their windshield. 649 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,360 >> I was gonna say because I think that's 650 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,960 mostly BYU student area. So, I'm getting 651 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,039 notifications. Is there a way we can 652 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,919 like get the notification to BYU and 653 00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:27,200 have them posted or something? 654 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,840 >> I mean, 655 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,519 >> I'm announcing it in church as of now. 656 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,440 >> Now that I know, I'll tell them all. So, 657 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,960 I think you'd actually be surprised how 658 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,600 few of the residents there are few. 659 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,519 >> Yeah, they cool. Especially the ones 660 00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:41,279 over the summer. 661 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,200 >> Doesn't that hit a couple areas close to 662 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,240 apartment buildings? 663 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,840 >> I don't know about that, but there's a 664 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,200 lot of apartment buildings that are not 665 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,720 >> people that live here. 666 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,640 >> And our contractor takes care of the the 667 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,320 noticings and they'll go through and 668 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,320 notice all the apartments and houses and 669 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,240 cars and put up, you know, whatever 670 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,000 notice that's needed to get vehicles 671 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,320 off. Um, and then if they're still 672 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,919 there, then we tow them usually around a 673 00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:06,240 corner. Um, but 674 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:12,240 >> yeah, there will be plenty of notice for all the residents and tenants. So, 675 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:16,310 >> I'm thinking 676 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,839 » it happens every year. 677 00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:20,240 >> I know 678 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:28,550 >> they walk out there. 679 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,879 » I'm sure they do it. don't think about 680 00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:32,399 stuff like that. They just 681 00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:34,079 >> And they then they come and knock on my 682 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,119 door. What happened to my car? And I 683 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:38,560 say, you know, the one that was there 684 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,679 for two months. 685 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:40,159 >> Yeah. 686 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,560 >> The dusty one. The dusty one with leaves 687 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,270 on it window. 688 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:56,950 » Awesome. Thank you. Okay, last one. 689 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,839 saw the notice that six south will be 690 00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:01,119 closed. 691 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,839 >> Yeah, you saw that right. So the east 692 00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:06,880 frontage road from between fifth and six 693 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,040 south that will be yeah that will be 694 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,760 closed um to finish the rest of the 695 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,760 storm tie in there. Um the project right 696 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,640 now is on schedule. 70% of the sewer 697 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,079 work has been done on the west side. 698 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,800 Um they're working as speaking on the 699 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,720 east side closer to frontage road to 700 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:31,040 finish the rest of the storm tie in. Uh 701 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,800 pretty much it. I mean schedule was all 702 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,119 of 26 and 27 they're going to finish the 703 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:39,040 east side. That's the demolition and 704 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,560 rebuilding. 705 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,359 Um and as speaking they are on schedule. 706 00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:46,960 continues cleaning according to 707 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,000 >> we saw anotherbody 708 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,720 maybe this is for but does anybody know 709 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,119 why the apartment building on the west 710 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:56,320 side of the bridge has stopped 711 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,240 construction 712 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:02,320 >> not sure if they stopped have they 713 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,880 >> no 714 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,640 equipment sometimes I haven't seen 715 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,400 >> like they built a parking garage and 716 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,160 then they stopped building the structure 717 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,520 and I didn't know if that was because 718 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,040 they ran out of money or they didn't 719 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,200 buyers or if it had something to do with 720 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,520 the integration like the the 721 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,640 construction 722 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,990 >> on their side the financing 723 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,920 run 724 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:26,960 internally. 725 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,160 >> Okay. Do you think it's going to not 726 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,760 revital? It's not going to happen. 727 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,480 We're hopeful that it does. Problem that 728 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,640 they're running into if they don't 729 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,870 complete the projected 730 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,079 they lose the redevelopment money 731 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:49,920 that they were um getting 732 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,560 and they'll have to pay for that 733 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,800 property 734 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,079 or the IFA used to be. 735 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:01,349 So, 736 00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:03,359 » so it's in their it's it's to their 737 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:04,400 advantage to follow 738 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,560 >> it is 739 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:15,920 what happens when they if they can't and we'll we'll send a 740 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,880 bill property 741 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,000 and that's really our only leverage. 742 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,760 And you have an unused parking garage 743 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,349 sitting there. 744 00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:34,160 » Somebody else finish it. 745 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,720 >> I just wondered if it was anything to do 746 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:37,920 with the bridge construction. So it 747 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,640 sounds like it's not. 748 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,839 They are fighting with you do any 749 00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:48,630 impacts from project 750 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,079 has not to acquire any of the property. 751 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,640 So 752 00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:02,790 you see how that turns out 753 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,880 » it was in the plans anyway. Yeah. 754 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,880 >> We we 755 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,200 told them right from the floor. Hey, the 756 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:22,470 bridge is going 757 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:32,230 on the cones on South University. 758 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,880 » Well, it will depend. I mean, so this is 759 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,119 the first phase of trap control. So 760 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:39,119 right now that will be once that other 761 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:41,359 half of the bridge is it will flip and 762 00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:43,200 then I'm not sure what I can't remember 763 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,520 what it looks like but there will be 764 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,079 some iteration of of reduced access 765 00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:55,349 through the project 766 00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:59,200 » actually curious about those those like 767 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,680 that stretch of university is always 768 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,839 kind of stuck I'd say with like left 769 00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:08,160 turns and and stuff coming across three 770 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,720 lanes of traffic and coming in from both 771 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,440 sides of the road. Curious, are we 772 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,680 looking at crash rates? All the cones 773 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,359 are up. 774 00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:18,640 >> I think I think the road might be 775 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,599 considerably safer now than it is. 776 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:22,640 >> Um, 777 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,839 >> now that people have figured out the 778 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:24,560 traffic pattern. 779 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,920 >> Yeah. Well, and you can't get through. 780 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,000 They're so close. That's right. So, you 781 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,000 can't do anything crazy. I'm wondering 782 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,760 if we 783 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,320 maybe the template for future design of 784 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,640 that roadway 785 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,320 >> to force people to use the intersections 786 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,200 instead of all the 787 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,960 >> Yeah, exactly. 788 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,240 >> Let's let's reduce some of the left 789 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,480 turns. You're saying for an item agenda 790 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,960 next year, look at a revamp of South 791 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,000 University in 792 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000 >> I guess I guess what I would like what I 793 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,599 would like to invite the city engineers 794 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:55,119 to do is look at crash rates on 795 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,520 University Avenue as a function of when 796 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,240 the cones were in which configuration 797 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,920 and compare before and after. 798 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,440 >> And you want to compare the type of 799 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,960 crash because you might have more rear 800 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,160 ending traffic backed up, but like left 801 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,520 turn crashes or 802 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,440 >> Yeah. And that's something we could 803 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,800 definitely pass on to you do to look at 804 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,720 road right 805 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,079 that is something we could take we could 806 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:19,680 bring up with our traffic operations and 807 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,359 just see if they're interested in 808 00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:22,880 looking at that. 809 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,599 >> I have wondered given that you do has 810 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,280 done 811 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,359 the other part of university with the UVX line 812 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:32,960 >> and what they've done with third south 813 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,960 which a lot of that is to reduce 814 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,560 midblock left turns and what we did on 815 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,560 Cougar Boulevard. I've driven on South 816 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,200 University past the bridge. I thought 817 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,960 I haven't when are we going to get to 818 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:43,920 this road? 819 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,200 >> Um 820 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,560 >> that be a good idea. 821 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,359 >> It does seem like um 822 00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:51,440 and I don't know what would you say has 823 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,440 have the changes to the other roads I 824 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,280 mentioned 825 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,280 has has it produced the result of fewer 826 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,560 accidents? It's 827 00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,760 >> a good question. 828 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,560 >> I know accidents are waiting. Yeah, it 829 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,839 seems like that used to be the number 830 00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:06,160 one place for 831 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,079 >> they're considerably the crash rates are 832 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,960 lower, the crash severity is lower. 833 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,400 You've had two things at the same time. 834 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,560 You've had the additional medians and 835 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,240 bike lanes go in closing a bunch of 836 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,000 accesses and making the road a little 837 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,760 bit less chaotic. You've also had the 838 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,240 removal of a whole bunch of 16-year-olds 839 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,480 who are driving on that. So, both those 840 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:30,000 things happen simultaneously. Uh, but I do think that the 841 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,000 it's been a good thing. We're to say for 842 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,599 now. 843 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:37,520 >> Wondering with the potential 844 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,520 redoing of the town center if they would 845 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:54,950 consider that road. 846 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,480 » Awesome. 847 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,079 Thank you for the updates. We appreciate 848 00:41:58,079 --> 00:41:59,440 those. 849 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,200 >> Um, next one. There is a house bill out, 850 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,040 but 851 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,319 uh I don't 852 00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:08,079 >> The governor signed it. 853 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:08,720 >> Yeah, 854 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:09,680 >> you did. 855 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,520 >> I think you passed it. 856 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,560 >> Okay. And it basically it basically um 857 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,079 covered all the things we were talking 858 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:19,839 about. And it was interesting to see 859 00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:22,560 that most of them were already like it 860 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,319 didn't really make that many changes. 861 00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:24,720 No, 862 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,079 >> the law was already there for the most 863 00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:26,480 part. 864 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,240 >> Yeah, it I think it added helmets 865 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,400 to age 18, 866 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,440 >> 21, and 867 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,720 >> three years. 868 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,359 >> And there's an option for you to get 869 00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:42,319 like a license so that you can ride 870 00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:44,079 without parental supervision. 871 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:45,040 >> You can't ride. 872 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,040 >> Is that an option or a requirement? 873 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,319 >> It was an option. You can either have 874 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:49,760 parental supervision or you can have 875 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,319 this 876 00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:51,839 >> creates a safety course for the 877 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:54,000 operation of certain electric uh devices 878 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,520 on a highway and describes the 879 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,200 circumstances under which the course is 880 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,400 required 881 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,640 >> and maybe technical. 882 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,000 >> That's and I think this is effective 883 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,599 like May 1st or something, right? 884 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:07,760 >> So like if a 15year-old wants to ride 885 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,040 their scooter without their parents 886 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,280 watching them, they can go take a 887 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,160 certification, 888 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,319 >> right? But once again, it all comes down 889 00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:16,560 to if nobody knows about it and nobody's 890 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,720 enforcing it, then it doesn't matter 891 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:19,599 that it just 892 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,000 >> Well, it did have something that said 893 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,960 like new sellers are going to have to 894 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,839 include 895 00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:28,160 >> but that's already a requirement. 896 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,720 >> That was already there as of last year, 897 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,680 I believe. Um although it was more 898 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,119 targeted towards the electric 899 00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:36,960 motorcycles and now it's on ebikes as 900 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,880 well. So I've got to get a label maker 901 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,400 actually. My business 902 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,000 As far as I can tell, it's still in the 903 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,040 governor's hands. 904 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,000 >> Oh, it hasn't been signed. 905 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,720 >> One thing that it does that I thought 906 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,800 was interesting, I've read these 907 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,920 sections of code so many times, um, you 908 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,160 got rid of 909 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,240 the legal definition of a motor-driven 910 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,200 cycle, which was a subset of motorcycle. 911 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,599 I don't know why that was ever a vehicle 912 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,560 specific defined vehicle anyway because 913 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,319 there were no laws that applied to 914 00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:13,760 motorcycles that didn't apply to that or 915 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,319 vice versa. So, it makes sense they got 916 00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:18,800 rid of it. But, um they didn't really 917 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,480 change much. Helmets until 21 were 918 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,400 already the case for motorcycles. So, 919 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,480 they've just made that the case for 920 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,240 electric scooters and ebikes and things, 921 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,560 which is I think is great. Well, I think 922 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,720 after two, I mean, they've had so many 923 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,240 young 924 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,560 girls. 925 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,240 Although, my husband pointed out that 926 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,400 the girl who was really pushing this 927 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,160 that had an injury, I think it was in 928 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,800 Saratoga Springs, was going 40 miles an 929 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,480 hour and not wearing a helmet, driving 930 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,599 very recklessly. So, like there are 931 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,160 multiple things contributing to these 932 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,319 fatalities and and horrible accidents 933 00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:55,040 besides just my 12-year-old wasn't 934 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,560 wearing a helmet or I wasn't watching 935 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,400 him, you know? 936 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,160 But the maybe the most important thing 937 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,880 if if this actually gets signed and is 938 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,960 the public education factor because like 939 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,800 you said most of this is 940 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:07,280 >> already there 941 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,160 >> was already there. 942 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:08,560 >> Yeah. 943 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,119 >> Um it just people don't know about it 944 00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:13,359 and unfortunately even mentioned when I 945 00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:16,800 got here Vineyard City police just a few 946 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,520 days ago posted a video on their social 947 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,760 media. The police officer was literally 948 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,480 sitting on an electric dirt bike and 949 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,359 calling it an ebike over and over again 950 00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:29,839 and talking about how riding these on 951 00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:34,720 vineyard streets and and uh trails are okay, but even if they go 40, you 952 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:36,079 should go slower and you should wear a 953 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,400 helmet. I was like, 954 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,599 >> not even saying it right. 955 00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:44,720 >> I mean, it's just not even close. So, uh 956 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,800 there there's a 957 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,359 the law hasn't really been the problem. 958 00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:51,839 the public awareness of the law. There's 959 00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:53,359 a big deficit that's been there the 960 00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:54,160 whole time. 961 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,079 >> I really think we can partner with BYU 962 00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:57,839 on this and get a huge chunk. We can 963 00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,240 partner with UVU on this and just say 964 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,880 these are the rules kind of like like 965 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,720 St. George does on their trails. Just 966 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,599 like these are the rules that you are 967 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,359 supposed to be following. Have them on 968 00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:11,599 all of our trail signs. maybe have them 969 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:15,359 with um like the week they come back to 970 00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:17,760 school just like to familiarize them 971 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,079 with the frequent infractions that we 972 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,400 see that are dangerous pedestrian 973 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:22,880 safety. 974 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,640 >> Are they the biggest problem? 975 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,640 >> No, but like but if we did it with the 976 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,400 back to school nights at the elementary 977 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,079 schools, the high schools, the middle 978 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,640 schools, then we can then we can go out 979 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,119 in full force and have a huge week of 980 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,440 enforcement because everybody has the 981 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,880 information and if they disregard it, 982 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,870 that's on them. 983 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:43,520 I don't know. 984 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,640 >> I don't know who who how do we get 985 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,160 actually the fact that the police 986 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,440 officer vineyard was even able to get to 987 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,680 you indicates that that's probably a 988 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,240 more effective communication vector than 989 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,440 a lot of things I've talked about. 990 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,839 >> Is that your is that yours? 991 00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:03,040 >> Well, yeah. So, we've coordinated before 992 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,280 with um police, city council to do some 993 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,280 of those like videos and things in the 994 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,400 past. 995 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,990 Um, 996 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,160 yeah. So, so we can coordinate 997 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,760 >> commit them to the school district and 998 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,280 ask for them to put them on all the 999 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,119 school ones because I don't see them 1000 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:22,640 unless I'm subscribed to them, 1001 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:23,200 >> right? 1002 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,359 >> So, you know, I'm not going to 1003 00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:26,800 >> following the message. 1004 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,480 >> Only the people who are following Provo 1005 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,440 City's 1006 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,200 >> PR are going to see it. So, if we can 1007 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,960 get it out to each of the schools and 1008 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,359 they can put it on their Instagrams. 1009 00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:40,230 >> Well, and and we can probably 1010 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:42,800 I'm going to say it it's also like a 1011 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,280 statewide issue like zero fatalities 1012 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,400 would probably be the best 1013 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,079 approach to get that message out 1014 00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,119 statewide. So we can do like localized 1015 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:56,000 things here for for Provo City and get 1016 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,960 the message out on our channels and and 1017 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,640 reach out to school districts, see if 1018 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,000 they'd be interested in things like 1019 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,640 that. Um, but yeah, and and there's ways 1020 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,839 on social media you can pay for 1021 00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:12,880 posts to expand that reach. So, it's 1022 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,920 going out to a larger audience. It might 1023 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,839 go further than Provo. It might just 1024 00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:19,760 stay in Provo. 1025 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,520 I just feel like at least asking them 1026 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,920 >> to share your post 1027 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,440 without spending any money you've 1028 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,520 already 1029 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,960 school districts would be easy because 1030 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,240 they have their community councils who 1031 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:33,440 have their safe routes and they're 1032 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,200 supposed to present those over them 1033 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,000 every year and present them the entire 1034 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,200 school 1035 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,720 >> which they don't but now we've just 1036 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:42,079 given them something that we may 1037 00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:43,920 >> but we can talk to superintendent now 1038 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,640 too like 1039 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,880 >> so my issue with this is a problems. 1040 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,400 The focus for me has never been about 1041 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,079 the older kids or the college kids 1042 00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:55,599 because like you said, we can get the 1043 00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:56,800 education out there. That's great. 1044 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,960 That's nice. And and then it's on them. 1045 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,800 For me, it's been the 14 and under 1046 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,240 crowd, the ones that actually are in 1047 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:03,680 these accidents. There were two 1048 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,400 13-year-olds that were writing tea 1049 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,559 screws the other day. I saw the article. 1050 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,040 I can't remember what city is. They're 1051 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,280 they bumped. They fell into the road. 1052 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,640 Someone stopped tried to help them, but 1053 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:15,599 while they're trying to help them, one 1054 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,680 of them got hit by a truck. They're 1055 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,880 fine, fortunately. But it's the kids 14 1056 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,559 and younger to me that's always been the 1057 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,440 issue for me. A 14 and younger person 1058 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,160 should not be on a motorized anything. 1059 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,880 Even if they have, they do that waiver 1060 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,760 online. That's I mean, my son just got 1061 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,520 his permit, so yay. Now I get to teach a 1062 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,319 child how to drive a car. But for me, 1063 00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:40,960 drive a car that can potentially hurt 1064 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,200 other people and themselves. They have 1065 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,400 to spend six months and driver's ed 1066 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,319 course. And there's a list of five 1067 00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:50,240 things he has to do to actually be able 1068 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:54,240 to get a license to drive it. 1069 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:56,480 Same thing with any motorized anything 1070 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,520 for a kid 14 and under. Taking a YouTube 1071 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,839 course saying, "Look, I passed all these 1072 00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:03,200 questions." And then being able to go 1073 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,359 out without parental supervision. I 1074 00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:06,559 don't think that's safe enough for the 1075 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:07,040 kids. 1076 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,119 >> That would never be a pro city or that would be a state law. 1077 00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:12,640 >> It can be a pro city or 1078 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,000 >> like I have a daughter that I've sent to 1079 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,520 school on a motor scooter when she's 1080 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,920 like nine or 10 years old, right? And 1081 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,680 I've ridden bikes with her as well. And 1082 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,319 to me, she's no less safe on a small 1083 00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:23,680 motor scooter getting to school than 1084 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,200 she's on a bicycle. 1085 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,359 >> So why not just ride the bicycle? 1086 00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:28,720 >> The motor scooter is easier. 1087 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,119 >> The motor is easier and her school was I 1088 00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:31,760 mean she would 1089 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,440 >> we have an obesity problem in this 1090 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,319 country anyway? 1091 00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:36,480 >> Yeah. from the it's up to parents to 1092 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,240 govern their kids at that point. It's 1093 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,599 not we don't need a government in there 1094 00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,440 telling all the parents how to like what 1095 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,319 their kids can and can't do. 1096 00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:47,280 >> I've been reading a lot about the early 1097 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,200 years of the automobile. 1098 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,119 Um, and for the first 15 years that 1099 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,839 automobiles were available in England, 1100 00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:02,319 law was you could not drive faster than 1101 00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:04,400 the person walking in front of your car 1102 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,480 waving a red flag telling you that 1103 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,839 telling people that there was a car 1104 00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:09,440 coming. 1105 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,000 Um, so the speed limit on cars in 1106 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,520 England for the first 15 years was 1107 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,920 effectively miles an hour. 1108 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,599 That sounds great. Sounds amazing. like 1109 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:24,240 let's go back to that. Um the I guess it 1110 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,319 took us about 30 years to find the right 1111 00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:30,480 mix of laws for cars and I think that 1112 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,079 it'll take us about that long with all 1113 00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,839 these new things too. I I hope it 1114 00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:38,000 doesn't. Um but like it's it is a 1115 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,720 decision that's much bigger than this 1116 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,960 city and this this body. Um I think if 1117 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,720 we 1118 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,520 like 1119 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,240 Yeah, I'm just saying we it's okay to be 1120 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:57,030 a little bit like 1121 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,040 I think I think our I think our laws are 1122 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,319 okay. Um I I view the problem as not 1123 00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:06,480 child falling on a motor scooter but the 1124 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,440 truck behind hitting them. 1125 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,400 That's the problem. Separate them. 1126 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,920 >> Let's separate them. Let's build better 1127 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,920 lanes that are separated from the road. 1128 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:16,720 >> See that? That's my 1129 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,480 >> And that's that's how we fix the 1130 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:18,960 problem. 1131 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,200 >> Let's educate them on bike riding 1132 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:21,680 safety. 1133 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,240 >> Let's make the truck drive 20 m hour. 1134 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,359 >> Let's let's do something else. 1135 00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:27,760 >> So, we make the scooters drive 15 miles 1136 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,359 an hour like they're supposed to. 1137 00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:30,800 >> Okay. So, we get the police out there 1138 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,640 and start pulling over any and all 1139 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,280 >> E2s ebike people. 1140 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,319 >> Yeah. As long as they're pulling over 1141 00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:38,480 the cars, too. 1142 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,839 >> They don't. The serious thing I worry 1143 00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:41,440 about with my kids is if they ride down 1144 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,319 like um one of the hills around here on 1145 00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:45,839 a bike, they can get up to 30 miles per 1146 00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:47,520 hour easy and they're doing it right 1147 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,119 next to live traffic. I prefer 1148 00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,000 separation is is the primary aim for 1149 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,800 safety is you get the bikes and the the 1150 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,480 motor vehicles away from cars and 1151 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,839 they're far less likely to have a 1152 00:52:57,839 --> 00:52:59,839 problem. 1153 00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:02,319 >> But until then, 1154 00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:05,760 I will always advocate for teaching safe 1155 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,040 like safe rules. I teach my kids whether 1156 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,680 it's an ebike or a regular bike or a 1157 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,319 foot scooter or an e- scooter that they 1158 00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:15,920 are not to ride on the sidewalk if 1159 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,680 they're going fast. They're not to 1160 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,839 they're to expect that nobody ever sees 1161 00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:21,359 them and they always have to make eye 1162 00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:23,119 contact before they cross the street and 1163 00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:24,640 they wait when their light turns green 1164 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,720 just to make like those safety 1165 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,559 principles. And so apparently there's a 1166 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,880 generation that doesn't teach those. And 1167 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,040 we need to figure out how we can bridge 1168 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,280 that gap so that everyone has the 1169 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,040 information they need to be responsible 1170 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,880 and keep themselves safe. Whether 1171 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,640 they're 9, 14, or 21, there are clearly 1172 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,040 people in the community who either never 1173 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,480 learn the rules or think they don't 1174 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,000 apply to them. And we need to make sure 1175 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,480 that our enforcement presence and our 1176 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,839 education presence hold them responsible 1177 00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:57,040 for those rules. And we don't need to 1178 00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,200 overregulate. We just need to use what 1179 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,240 we've already got and use it correctly. 1180 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:03,359 >> That's how I feel. Anyway, 1181 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:05,520 >> general safety is applicable to 1182 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:06,960 everything. Trying to single out any 1183 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,720 specific mode of transportation is being 1184 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,040 unsafe. Like admittedly, motorized 1185 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,280 thing, there is some some point on the 1186 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,960 line between like a little kid's motor 1187 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,760 scooter up to a motorized dirt bike. 1188 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,359 Like they're not the same thing even 1189 00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:21,760 remotely, right? And so there is a 1190 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,280 different measure of safety between the 1191 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,920 two. But the lump so I like the mountain 1192 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,960 bike to give an example. Um, you can 1193 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,440 take a horse, pack horse into any 1194 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,800 wilderness area in the United States, 1195 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,240 but you can't take a mountain bike 1196 00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:35,839 because the law when it was written up 1197 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:38,400 said no mechanized vehicles shall be 1198 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,400 permitted in wilderness. So even though 1199 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,160 I like to mountain bike, if I come up to 1200 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,599 a trail that goes into wilderness, I 1201 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,920 have to stop and turn around. Um, that 1202 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,880 law was made in I can't remember 1967 1203 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,640 60s sometime before mountain bikes even 1204 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,079 were a thing, right? So lumping back 1205 00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:55,920 then when the law was written, it was 1206 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,440 motorized as in jeeps, motorcycles, 1207 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,920 four-wheelers didn't really exist, 1208 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,839 >> but they're all mechanized. But then 1209 00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:05,280 mountain bikes came along and they're 1210 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,839 still included. So wilderness is out off 1211 00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:09,520 limits for somebody on a mountain bike. 1212 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,880 >> You're talking self-propelled, not an 1213 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,920 >> eelf propelled with a pedal. And so 1214 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,359 nationwide, you can't take a mountain 1215 00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:17,119 bike into any national park that's not 1216 00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:18,720 on a paved road. You can't take it in 1217 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,200 any wilderness cuz the original law was 1218 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,160 no mechanized vehicle. So if you say a 1219 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,400 motorass assisted or electric motor 1220 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,040 vehicle and you include everything, 1221 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,640 that's pretty broad in my opinion. 1222 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,160 Um, 1223 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,559 so there's definitely a line there and 1224 00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:37,760 at some point you should have a 1225 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,680 motorcycle handler permit or a license 1226 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,920 or whatever you're on certain types of 1227 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,720 vehicles. But 1228 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,440 speaking of um 1229 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,359 law, the so I mentioned that this house 1230 00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:54,240 bill what is it 381? I hope they pass 1231 00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:56,880 it. Um that they did away with the motor 1232 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,880 driven cycle classification, but they 1233 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,960 have added and this is probably what 1234 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,240 would be relevant to what you just 1235 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,480 mentioned is 1236 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,400 they sort of added a catchall definition 1237 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,880 of a vehicle. So for the for what for 1238 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,240 what we don't have even what they 1239 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,559 haven't even invented yet we have this 1240 00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,599 it's uh line 630 it says a high power 1241 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:18,480 electric device means a self-profile 1242 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,160 vehicle other than a motor vehicle 1243 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,599 subject to the title and registration 1244 00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:24,000 requirements. So something that doesn't 1245 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,799 need a title registration license plates 1246 00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:29,760 um but it is an electric device and 1247 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,359 powered by an electric motor that is 1248 00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:33,200 capable of traveling more than 20 miles 1249 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,880 per hour on the power of the electric 1250 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,680 motor alone. Um, and then those uh that 1251 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,480 type of vehicle is subject to 1252 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,000 because of it. If it meets that 1253 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,079 definition, then it has its own laws 1254 00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,960 that apply to it. It's um I believe and 1255 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,000 I haven't read through this whole thing 1256 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,359 yet, but I believe that it's something 1257 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:56,160 that wouldn't be road or trail legal. 1258 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,480 It's like private property or maybe 1259 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,599 off-road only. Um, but I think that's 1260 00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:03,440 looking that's the the legislators 1261 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,599 looking forward and saying basically 1262 00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,680 anything that doesn't meet these other 1263 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,240 definitions we've already made is kind 1264 00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:14,960 of off-road only. And um I think that's 1265 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,720 good. The common denominator in all of 1266 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,359 the other vehicles is 20 mph. So there's 1267 00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:21,359 some different motor wattages that are 1268 00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:22,720 permitted for different types, which 1269 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,079 doesn't make any sense to me that they 1270 00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:26,319 did that. like 2,000 watts on an 1271 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:28,319 electric scooter that you stand on, but 1272 00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:32,400 750 watts on an ebike. Why? 1273 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,240 >> But but they're both limited to 20 miles 1274 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,720 per hour or 28 on ebike if you're 1275 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,960 pedaling. So I think that's what they're 1276 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,079 kind of doing. 1277 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,160 >> Is that capability or 1278 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,480 >> capability? And if it's there's there's 1279 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,160 verbiage in here where if it's capable 1280 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,319 of being modified to exceed that speed 1281 00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:50,000 limit or other things, there's there's 1282 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,760 labeling laws about what they have to 1283 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,240 say and and what law enforcement can do 1284 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,160 about it. So, it seems like they've 1285 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,280 settled on pretty much 20 mph is the 1286 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,040 speed limit for motorized non 1287 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,119 registered street legal motor vehicles, 1288 00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,799 but for this other category, 1289 00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:13,119 um 20 miles an hour and then so at least 1290 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,440 there's that. I mean, some of us would 1291 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,119 rather be 15, some would rather nobody 1292 00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:18,559 under 14 rides them, but at least 1293 00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:22,230 there's that. 1294 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,480 which gives the enforcement arm 1295 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,400 something very consistent to enforce. 1296 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,319 They could sit on provos trails and say 1297 00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:31,599 provost trails are are signed at 15, 1298 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,240 state laws 20, you were doing 21, 1299 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,920 therefore you're in violation of both. 1300 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,799 We feel really confident that you're we 1301 00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:40,799 need to pull you over and talk to you. 1302 00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:42,559 City ordinances always be more 1303 00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:49,190 restrictive than the state but not less. 1304 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,200 uh five minutes to go and uh the east 1305 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,960 west connectivity discussion is kind of 1306 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,119 going to be an ongoing discussion. Uh 1307 00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:00,000 Greg has said that he doing a project 1308 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,040 for us that he'll this year. Uh um so we 1309 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,160 kind of want to what are our parameters 1310 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,359 on this like what are what are our main 1311 00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:14,559 goals on east west connectivity? I know 1312 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:17,920 it was something that was brought up as 1313 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,680 discussion this year. So what is the 1314 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:24,079 goal that people work on? I think we 1315 00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:26,240 were talking when we came up with this 1316 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,200 goal of when we say east west 1317 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,559 connectivity we're talking about the 1318 00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:34,720 barrier of the freeway getting people so 1319 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,040 that our city isn't divided right that 1320 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,880 we're all the same city with the same 1321 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,480 access. 1322 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,880 Like it would be nice. Somebody was 1323 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,119 talking once about 200 North being going 1324 00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,839 all the way through to 900 East and that 1325 00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:50,000 that's on a transportation plan 1326 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,359 somewhere, but that helps a section of 1327 00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:55,760 the city get from University Avenue or 1328 00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:02,000 500 West over, but it doesn't bridge the freeway. And I think that to me is 1329 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,920 the number one priority is getting 1330 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,240 those. So whether we have more accesses 1331 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,079 under the freeway which is less likely 1332 01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:09,280 or whether we make sure that the 1333 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,799 accesses that take us from one side of 1334 01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:12,559 the freeway to the other are super 1335 01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,040 efficient and safe for all modes that 1336 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,520 would be my goal. 1337 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,640 >> So the way I see this issue bring it up 1338 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,200 is looking historically at Utah and how 1339 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,799 the cities were laid out you always had 1340 01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,200 ma main and centers and they were 1341 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,280 supposed to be more or less primary 1342 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,559 arterial type roads. They're supposed to 1343 01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,240 be the main travel roads through an 1344 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,799 area. And Utah, prior to the freeway, 1345 01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:37,119 had highways that went north and south 1346 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:38,480 because that's where the cities were. 1347 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:39,680 That's where the mountains constrained 1348 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,040 us. The lakes constrained us. We had 1349 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,119 highways that went north and south. The 1350 01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:44,720 highways would turn into main streets 1351 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,799 typically in every little city. And then 1352 01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:48,960 the center streets, I mean, sometimes it 1353 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,000 would slip, but usually the center 1354 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,839 streets would be perpendicular to that, 1355 01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:53,680 right? Um, if you needed to go east and 1356 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,119 west, you could get on center and get 1357 01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:56,400 through town. If you need to go north 1358 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:57,599 and south, you get on main to get 1359 01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:00,079 through town. Well, as all of the cities 1360 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,240 have grown up around here, those rural 1361 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,799 highways all turned into very long main 1362 01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:07,200 streets that had pretty good access, the 1363 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,480 center streets didn't. Instead of being 1364 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,280 highways originally, they didn't grow 1365 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,880 with anything. So, they ended up 1366 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,720 congested. And so, we didn't build 1367 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,400 additional 1368 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,760 um east west arterials to match the 1369 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,319 north south highways that we turned into 1370 01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:27,760 our arterials. So Provo had that problem 1371 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,440 where we have our freeway over there, 1372 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,040 but when the freeway was built, there 1373 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,240 was nothing west of the freeway, right? 1374 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,319 So the connectivity is kind of poor and 1375 01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:37,760 we have a real serious problem with it 1376 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,160 in that the only real way to provide 1377 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,559 actual arterials east and west is often 1378 01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:44,799 to smash a bunch of houses down. And the 1379 01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:51,750 political turmoil of that is really hard to sell. 1380 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,559 I think there's another east west thing 1381 01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,119 where when when people talk about east 1382 01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:00,799 west connection they're often talking 1383 01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:04,240 benches getting to the freeway 1384 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,839 it's a quantitatively and qualitatively 1385 01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:11,040 different discussion than the I5 1386 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,440 so I I do think that separating this 1387 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:14,720 video so I think it's actually two 1388 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,720 different discussions 1389 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,680 um but people talk about east 1390 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,040 connectivity and they think they're 1391 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,720 friends that they're actually talking 1392 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:23,760 totally different. 1393 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:24,400 >> Yeah. 1394 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,440 >> Except that if you do the crossing the 1395 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,839 freeway access really well, then you can 1396 01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:31,520 also 1397 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,280 >> do the tie-in access really well. 1398 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,240 >> I do I do think though that we 1399 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,559 in this discussion I want it I would 1400 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:41,839 like it to be data driven as much as 1401 01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:48,799 possible, right? like I feel like the microability discussion got uh sort 1402 01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:53,359 of emotional sometimes last year. U I'm 1403 01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:55,359 not I'm not excusing myself from that. 1404 01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:58,559 Um I it would be great like if we're 1405 01:02:58,559 --> 01:02:59,680 going to talk about east west 1406 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,200 connectivity 1407 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,960 like oh this neighborhood has really bad 1408 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,799 connectivity. 1409 01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:06,640 How are we describing that? What what 1410 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,880 measures are we using? How do we justify 1411 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,760 that statement other than 1412 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,440 it's hard for me to get across? Like 1413 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,920 that that's not data. And I I'd like to 1414 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,680 see at least some data make an 1415 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,599 appearance. And I hope to do that in my 1416 01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:21,440 presentation this summer, but it'd be 1417 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,520 great if there's other perspectives and 1418 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,960 other data that can be brought into it 1419 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,880 as well. 1420 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,400 >> Travel and 1421 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,240 >> whatever like and we should talk about 1422 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,480 what what that is, right? Like what data 1423 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:33,839 do we think is valid? Are 1424 01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:36,000 >> you starting with Pearl City's existing 1425 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,319 streets master plan? like what's already 1426 01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:40,400 think on a master plan from like 1427 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,240 probably 50 or 60 that have never built. 1428 01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,240 >> That's right. So I mean what I'm what 1429 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,359 I'm going to be doing is I'm going to 1430 01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:49,520 take the street network and points of 1431 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,960 interest data and do some experiments 1432 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,000 where I take away roads and I add roads 1433 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,119 and see who who gains the most or who 1434 01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,039 loses the most when those roads are 1435 01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:02,559 lost. 1436 01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:03,920 Yeah, kind of a travel demand model 1437 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,720 type. Uh but there are other valid ways 1438 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,280 of doing this too like travel times to 1439 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,240 key stationations or level of service on 1440 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,359 the main access road. 1441 01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:18,559 And you know in all this like with 700 1442 01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,520 North that's often cited as oh we need a 1443 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,440 faster road getting east to west across 1444 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,160 Provo than 700 North is. More people 1445 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,960 walk across 700 North than drive down 1446 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,319 it. So we shouldn't like make it harder 1447 01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:34,720 for people to walk in that direction by 1448 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,359 making it easier for a few people. And 1449 01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:39,119 so there's there's some constraints that 1450 01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:40,640 we need to have in this discussion as 1451 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:41,680 well. 1452 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,520 >> Also the fact that 700 North doesn't go 1453 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:44,880 very far beyond university. 1454 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,160 >> That's right. It ends in freedom. It 1455 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,400 really turning into main street. Yeah. 1456 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,079 >> And so it has a demographic of students 1457 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:51,920 that are walking already quite a bit. 1458 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,680 >> That's right. Um if you look 1459 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,079 qualitatively where where is a place 1460 01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:58,400 that has good east west connectivity 1461 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,720 what does that look like? So you go up 1462 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,359 to Oram, you have if you go to if you 1463 01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:06,079 get out of Provo. Yeah. You go north, 1464 01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:07,760 you've got University Parkway, which 1465 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,559 used to be a highway to BYU's doorstep. 1466 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,760 It's not anymore. Then you have you have 1467 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,760 Center Street, you have 800 North, you 1468 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,280 have 6600 North. About every mile or so, 1469 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,400 you have a major east west arterial. In 1470 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,000 Provo, they're not. They don't exist. 1471 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,760 The only east west arterial that's 1472 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,000 actually kind of a decent arterial is 1473 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,680 center street 1474 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,160 >> and I would argue that like 1475 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,119 >> and I would argue that we don't 1476 01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:36,799 >> technically an arterial but it's posted 1477 01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:40,640 25. So it's not an art. 1478 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,799 >> Yeah. I mean they're both the same 1479 01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:44,799 arterial. They're not all 1480 01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:46,559 >> arterial. But it's your way to get 1481 01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:47,119 across 1482 01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:50,319 >> all the way to 1483 01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:51,359 downtown. 1484 01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:53,200 >> Uh I mean 1485 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,039 >> I think turning promo into ORM would be 1486 01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:56,480 a mistake though and that that's where 1487 01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:57,680 we need to talk about the 1488 01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,440 >> because like you said in order to get 1489 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,240 those throughways through ORM they knock 1490 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,079 down rows and rows of houses to build 1491 01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:04,400 wider 1492 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,640 >> roads right now what they're doing. 1493 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,039 >> Okay. I am going to actually wheel this 1494 01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:10,960 in just a little bit because we are at 1495 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,760 time. The third thing that was mentioned 1496 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,559 in a discussion before was not just 1497 01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,440 looking at cars but actually looking at 1498 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,160 all mobility east west getting from lake 1499 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,079 the lake to mountains. So um did those 1500 01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:27,920 three discussion points sound like good 1501 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,400 discussion? We're talking the barrier to 1502 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,960 freeway which is a huge thing in provo. 1503 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,960 We're talking benches to freeway which 1504 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,480 some of those streets up on the benches 1505 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,280 are rats nests. 1506 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:48,799 Um and then mobility for all forms of traffic from late to not 1507 01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:52,400 um I'll talk to about afterwards. Okay. 1508 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,000 Uh we'll take those three discussion 1509 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,960 points and we'll we'll kind of get a 1510 01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,720 plan moving forward on this discussion. 1511 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,400 Thank you guys so much today for your 1512 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,200 time. Thank you for your opinions and 1513 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,079 thank you for sharing them. I even if we 1514 01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:07,839 don't always agree, I appreciate that we 1515 01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:09,440 have open discussions here. So, I just 1516 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,839 want to thank you guys on that. And 1517 01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:13,520 we're we have to say a motion to 1518 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,270 >> adjourn. 1519 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:24,069 » Meeting adjourned. Yay. 1520 01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:25,599 » You and I can park. 1521 01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:27,920 >> We don't have to fight over. 1522 01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,640 I got her an