[5:35] Go ahead and start recording.
[5:40] » Thank you, sir.
[5:47] Thanks for coming to T-Mac today, guys.
[5:49] Uh March 19th. Uh we've got a pretty
[5:53] nice agenda. I just want to do
[5:55] introductions real quick. I am Beth
[5:57] Province TAC chair.
[6:00] >> No Gordon, T-Mac member.
[6:02] >> Hello member Ashley.
[6:07] >> Joseph Gandandy with public works.
[6:10] David Keller, T-MAC. Now the central
[6:12] district
[6:15] >> body commission and T-MAC member
[6:22] » right
[6:25] team Nicholson public works.
[6:28] >> I'm Khan Shore with public works.
[6:38] » Is there anybody on
[6:40] Yeah, I don't know.
[6:43] >> We'll see.
[6:44] >> Okay, our first
[6:47] >> come with us. Come join us.
[6:50] >> Um our first action is an action item
[6:52] approving the minutes from last um
[6:58] time meeting February. February meeting.
[7:01] Yes. Thank you. Um so uh anybody have
[7:06] any changes that they want to make to
[7:08] the
[7:10] um from last time it was the MAG
[7:12] discussion very informative.
[7:18] Nobody wants any changes any like to
[7:20] approve the minutes from last time
[7:23] to approve the minutes.
[7:24] >> I'll second. Perfect. All in favor?
[7:28] >> Yep.
[7:29] >> Perfect. Okay. Uh, we have an annual
[7:31] training by Kahhan today. I don't even
[7:34] know where the annual training is.
[7:36] >> We're all surprised. This will be great.
[7:39] >> Yep. Well, I'll tell you this. I'm going
[7:42] to be training myself more than training
[7:43] you guys on this one. So,
[7:48] let's see here.
[7:50] So, for T-MAC code, we're required to
[7:53] have annual training. And this is what
[7:56] it basically goes over what T-MAC is,
[7:58] how often we can meet, what are some
[8:00] powers and duties of T-MAC, what are
[8:03] stuff we're allowed to discuss, what
[8:05] should be stuff that we should not be
[8:07] discussing, goes over the overall how
[8:10] meetings should be conducted on the
[8:12] quorum, how questions should be handled
[8:14] and just overall about the T-Mac itself.
[8:18] Um, so it is created by city code. Um it
[8:21] is an appointment appointed body. The
[8:24] mayor is the one that appoints the body
[8:26] or the the the T-MAC uh itself uh with
[8:30] the consent by the council. Uh right now
[8:32] we have seven members
[8:35] which by code we're allowed to have up
[8:37] to seven members um and also two members
[8:40] at larger alternatives. We do have two
[8:43] members at larger alternatives as well.
[8:45] So right now we're sitting at total nine
[8:47] members. Um so we don't have any
[8:50] vacancies on that end. Um there are five
[8:53] municipal council districts and and we
[8:56] got to have at least one member from
[8:57] each of those municipal council
[8:59] districts.
[9:00] Um at least one member should be a
[9:03] member of the planning commission. Um
[9:06] one member should be um representative
[9:08] of college level transportation academia
[9:11] and then one member should be
[9:13] representative of a business community
[9:15] oriented organization. Um, yes, we have
[9:18] David Ortado on that. And then a member
[9:21] from the municipal council should be
[9:23] appointed as a leazison to the T-mac. We
[9:26] usually have one or two at least. Um,
[9:29] this meeting looks like we do not have
[9:30] any, which is fine. Um,
[9:35] yes, they should be appointed and they
[9:38] should and as many as possible. uh a
[9:43] member of the city engineering division,
[9:45] a member of the police department and
[9:47] other applicable city staff shall be
[9:49] appointed to act as leaison to the T-MAC
[9:53] which we do have those as well.
[9:56] So T-MAC is not an elected body. It is
[10:00] not a final policy maker and it should
[10:03] not represent a constituencies.
[10:07] All the texts these are in our code. Um,
[10:11] I can provide the link to the website as
[10:13] well as I can send some PDFs discussing
[10:16] all of these powers and duties. I don't
[10:19] think I should be reading through all
[10:21] the duties, but you're more than welcome
[10:23] to read it on your own. And the PDF as
[10:26] well, the link that I'll submit or
[10:28] provide to the to the T-Mac members, you
[10:30] guys are more than welcome to read
[10:32] through that. Um,
[10:36] so basically it's a recommendation body.
[10:38] to recommend the adoption and alteration
[10:41] of all rules, regulation, and ordinances
[10:43] which it shall deem in the public
[10:45] interest and for the purposes of
[10:47] carrying out the objects of the Provo
[10:50] City Code as it relates to
[10:52] transportation and mobility. Uh
[10:54] determine and establish such rules and
[10:56] regulations for the conduct of the board
[10:58] as the members shall deem um advisable.
[11:02] Uh monitor the status of and make
[11:05] recommendations for amendments to the
[11:06] city's visioning documents. the general
[11:08] plan, transportation master plan, the
[11:10] major and local street plan, and any
[11:12] other documentation.
[11:15] Review regional, citywide, and
[11:16] significant local transportation
[11:18] mobility issues as they relate to and
[11:21] are affected by law and use policy,
[11:24] balancing the interests in and needs of
[11:26] people walking, walking, biking, riding,
[11:29] transit, and um driving delivery trucks
[11:32] and automobiles.
[11:34] provide recommendations to the mayor,
[11:36] municipal council, planning commission,
[11:38] and other city commissions and boards
[11:41] regarding the priority, funding, and
[11:44] design of capital improvement projects.
[11:47] Uh serve as a coordination body and
[11:50] resource for organizations interested in
[11:52] transportation and mobility issues
[11:54] affecting the city. Promote public
[11:56] education on transportation and mobility
[11:58] issues affecting the affecting the city
[12:00] and its residents.
[12:03] conflict of interest. So basically it
[12:07] what it does is they are T-MAC is
[12:11] subject to the municipal officers and
[12:13] employees ethics act. I will send you a
[12:16] document kind of going over and
[12:18] discussing what that act is. So you're
[12:20] more than welcome to look at that.
[12:23] Uh what are some of the actions that we
[12:25] should as TAC members should stay away
[12:27] from? They cannot disclose confidential
[12:30] information acquired by reason or of
[12:33] official position or use the information
[12:35] to secure special privileges. Cannot use
[12:38] or attempt to use official position to
[12:40] secure special privileges. Can cannot
[12:43] knowingly take, seek or solicit any gift
[12:45] or loan if it tends to influence the
[12:48] discharge of official duties.
[12:51] >> All the information in this meeting is
[12:53] considered public knowledge, right?
[12:55] Yes, we begin.
[12:59] >> We're going to cover that in a second.
[13:03] Yeah. So, it is a public meeting. Um the meeting is recorded. Public can
[13:08] access it. They can they're more than
[13:09] welcome to join in person via Zoom. Um
[13:13] they're more than welcome to comment.
[13:15] Not that they have to comment.
[13:18] What are some of the exceptions to
[13:20] conflict of interest? An occasional
[13:22] non-punerary gift having a value of less
[13:25] than 50. An award publicly presented.
[13:29] Any bonafidey um loan made in the
[13:31] ordinary course of business. Political
[13:34] campaign contributions actually used in
[13:37] a political campaign.
[13:40] Uh conflicts requiring disclosure.
[13:43] Basically any conflict that is not
[13:45] prohibited, you must disclose the
[13:48] conflict.
[13:50] um kind of talks about all possible
[13:54] conflicts, the ones that for which we
[13:56] should be disclosing and the ones that
[13:58] we should be completely staying away
[14:00] from.
[14:02] Um, consulates requiring disclosure that
[14:05] goes over the gifts, special privileges,
[14:09] uh, being an officer, director, agent,
[14:12] employee or owner of a substantial
[14:14] interest, at least 10% of a business
[14:16] entity regulated by Pula City.
[14:20] Um and then similar all those people
[14:22] with 10% of a business doing business
[14:24] with public city having a personal
[14:27] interest or investment which creates a
[14:29] conflict between public duties and the
[14:31] personal interest.
[14:34] It is a open meeting.
[14:37] So meetings
[14:40] they are basically
[14:43] to convene a a public body with a quorum
[14:45] present. So the quorum in this case
[14:47] would be we have total seven members. We
[14:49] need to have at least four members in
[14:51] order to have a public meeting which in
[14:54] this case T-Mac is a public meeting.
[14:58] >> And what about the atlarge members?
[15:00] >> So they it depends on how we have them.
[15:04] They can be replacing some of the
[15:06] members that are not present on that
[15:08] day.
[15:11] Um some of the items in the open
[15:14] meetings as far as DMAC is concerned
[15:16] annual training is required which we
[15:18] have been having these for the past
[15:19] three four years that I recall. Um
[15:23] written unrecorded meeting minutes that
[15:25] is something that we provide at the
[15:27] beginning of the meetings. You guys
[15:28] review that and you guys approve those
[15:30] uh meeting minutes.
[15:33] Uh post schedule of annual meetings. We
[15:35] do post these meetings, the monthly and
[15:37] the annual. Well, in this case, the
[15:39] monthly covers the annual as well. And
[15:42] then proper notice, we submit at least a
[15:45] week in advance. Um, sometimes
[15:48] even more than that, but our goal is to
[15:50] post our schedule at least a week in
[15:53] advance of the meeting.
[15:56] Uh, T-MAC meetings are open to public,
[15:58] but not a public hearing. Public comment
[16:01] is not required. They're welcome, not
[16:04] required.
[16:05] grammar. Um,
[16:08] so everything we record can be grammar.
[16:11] So documents, email, voicemail, this
[16:14] meeting itself, T-MAC members are also
[16:18] the individual T-MAC members. Anything
[16:21] discussed in the T-mac, they're all
[16:23] grammar. So if a grandma comes regarding
[16:26] a T-MAC member, we are allowed to share
[16:29] that information regarding the T-MAC
[16:31] member, which district they are from,
[16:35] what are their background, things of
[16:36] that nature.
[16:39] Um, exarty communications. So public
[16:42] discussions should happen in public.
[16:45] Um what this does is this protects the
[16:47] integrity of the process
[16:50] and it also relieves um undue pressure
[16:52] on TMAC members.
[16:55] So some of the parliamentary procedures
[16:58] consider one thing at a time uh ensure
[17:01] justice, courtesy and equal treatment to
[17:03] all members. Serve the will of the
[17:05] majority preserve the right of the
[17:07] minority to be heard.
[17:10] Meeting does not start until a quorum is
[17:12] present. Chair runs the meeting. Um, and
[17:17] city ly follows Rod's rules of order.
[17:19] So, T-MAC may adopt reasonable rules and
[17:22] change rules procedures on majority
[17:24] votes.
[17:26] Chair calls meeting to order. That's the
[17:29] one thing that I've noticed. Maybe we
[17:31] are doing it, but when we are starting
[17:33] the meeting, the first thing we got to
[17:35] say is the time date and then we go to
[17:37] the introduction.
[17:40] >> They didn't say March 19th.
[17:42] Should we get Beth to gamble?
[17:45] >> Oh my god.
[17:48] >> We should, right?
[17:51] » A bus handle.
[17:53] >> Yeah.
[17:54] Um and then read the first agenda items
[17:57] into the record. Clarify the action to
[18:00] be taken. Take um T-MAC members declare
[18:02] any conflicts.
[18:05] >> Uh in the team when we when we introduce
[18:08] ourselves, we should be saying if we
[18:09] have a conflict, right?
[18:11] like on planning commission when it goes
[18:13] around we say this is my name I have no
[18:16] conflict so each team act member
[18:19] according to that rule should
[18:20] technically be declaring that
[18:21] >> meeting
[18:23] >> every single meeting so at the beginning
[18:25] when you saying you are
[18:26] >> each of us should probably since that's
[18:28] a requirement be saying no conflict
[18:30] >> especially if you have a conflict then
[18:32] you should say for sure
[18:35] >> in the T-Mac meetings um staff
[18:37] presentation staff can present
[18:40] Uh public comment is welcome. T-MAC
[18:42] discussion that's when you guys discuss
[18:44] any item or the items in the agenda. Ask
[18:47] for a motion which the chair will call
[18:49] for that. Um the main motion again the
[18:53] chair will call for that. It requires a
[18:55] second. If there is no second then the
[18:57] actual or the main motion dies. Um chair
[19:00] restates the motion.
[19:04] Um chair opens uh debate. Chair calls
[19:07] the question.
[19:09] And then the secondary motion it helped
[19:11] dispose of the main motion can be made
[19:14] during debate on main motion and it
[19:17] deals with them well the chair deals
[19:19] with them in the order.
[19:21] Uh the secondary motion follows the main
[19:23] motion. It could be amending something.
[19:26] So if it's amending that's the wording
[19:28] we should follow. And if we do not have
[19:30] time or would like to discuss this in
[19:32] the coming meetings then we should be
[19:34] following that language. a motion to
[19:36] continue in the next meeting or
[19:38] following meeting
[19:44] fairness. Um
[19:47] if a person that is not involved in
[19:49] TMAC, if that person is here present and
[19:52] they're listening to the T-mac, they
[19:54] should feel that everybody got treated
[19:56] fair. That's kind of how the definition
[19:58] of the fair is for T-Mac purposes
[20:02] and that's about it. Any
[20:06] questions, comments, concerns? Oh,
[20:11] >> part of my role on the T-MAC committee
[20:13] is being a local business owner, but
[20:16] also that does present some conflicts of
[20:18] interest from time to time.
[20:21] Um, not that I feel like I've ever had a
[20:23] problem, but it's conceivable that
[20:26] business could come before the committee
[20:27] that I would have a a financial stake
[20:30] in. So, should I just always introduce
[20:33] myself as I have a conflict or
[20:35] >> I would if it's obvious that you would
[20:37] have a conflict. Otherwise, you would
[20:39] just bring it up during the meeting. I I
[20:41] recognize that I would have a conflict
[20:42] on this item. So, I'm going to abstain
[20:44] from it.
[20:45] >> Yes,
[20:46] >> you can still sit in the room. I think
[20:48] sometimes you're supposed to leave
[20:50] >> that and you cannot take part in the
[20:52] motion itself or
[20:53] >> but you also can't be part of the
[20:54] discussion.
[20:55] >> That's a discussion either. So at the
[20:57] beginning once you see the agenda you're
[20:58] more than welcome to say that hey I
[21:00] believe I have a conflict that's why you
[21:02] disclose if there's a conflict of
[21:03] interest if any kind you disclose that
[21:06] and you're more than welcome to or you
[21:08] could let us know in advance if you
[21:10] don't want to come to the actual
[21:11] meeting.
[21:13] >> But I also think that maybe what you're
[21:14] saying is sometime you don't know you
[21:16] have a conflict till we start talking
[21:17] about it and at that point I think it's
[21:18] perfectly reasonable to say in the
[21:20] middle of the meeting just like I
[21:21] realize I might have a conflict with
[21:22] this. I don't think I've ever personally
[21:24] had a conflict with any of the items
[21:28] we've talked about like
[21:30] >> or I may have a perceived conflict.
[21:31] Somebody might think I have a conflict
[21:32] of interest. I just want to make it
[21:34] >> talking about these electric motorcycles
[21:35] and I don't sell them but I sell
[21:37] something that kind of competes with
[21:38] them.
[21:40] My push has always been well we just
[21:42] need to apply the law fairly for all
[21:44] types of vehicles. Um but I do have an
[21:48] interest in that.
[21:50] >> Could just sell them. I think you've
[21:51] done a good job at disclosing that
[21:53] interest and honestly your role in that business is what makes
[21:59] you valuable to this body.
[22:01] >> And so like because you're not pushing
[22:03] for a an ordinance that would adversely
[22:07] or promotionally benefit your business
[22:10] like I have not observed any conflict.
[22:13] >> Yeah. I think the only time it's really
[22:14] genuinely a conflict is if you're going
[22:16] to gain something from it. Like
[22:17] sometimes we'll have in planning
[22:19] commission something that's in our
[22:20] neighborhoods that obviously we care
[22:22] about more than others. But as long as
[22:24] you can make a reasonable judgment, we
[22:26] don't have to declare that a conflict of
[22:28] >> if we were discussing an ordinance to
[22:30] ban Vesta motor scooters
[22:33] probably shouldn't participate in that
[22:34] discussion.
[22:40] » You're welcome to observe though.
[22:42] >> I would say also the way you refuse
[22:44] yourself. I I attended a city council
[22:47] meeting once my mountain proone where I
[22:50] work the city council member said I need
[22:53] to recuse myself on this issue because I
[22:55] have a financial interest in this and
[22:56] although I think it's an incredible
[22:58] project and I think it would be great I can't say that in this meeting. So
[23:02] basically he just gave it you know stamp
[23:05] approval that's not how you
[23:09] >> Yeah. Yeah. And like in
[23:12] conversely like I am an employee of
[23:14] Brigham Young University which touches
[23:17] almost every conversation we have in
[23:19] this meeting but I have no
[23:20] decision-making power at BYU and no one
[23:22] could suggest that I do. So I'm happy to
[23:27] comment continue commenting on policies
[23:30] that affect BYU.
[23:39] No, that was good. Thank you, David. Um,
[23:42] you see a page I'll send this, you can
[23:43] find us as well. This goes over our um
[23:46] the city code also discusses all the
[23:49] powers and duties that we just went
[23:50] over. Um,
[23:54] our public city council districts, five
[23:56] districts, we have at least a member
[23:58] representing each district, which is
[24:00] good. And then our current um T-MAC
[24:03] roster, that's all our T-MAC members.
[24:08] um and which districts they are from,
[24:11] how many terms they have been, how many
[24:13] terms that are left. If you need that
[24:14] information, let me know. I'll be more
[24:16] than welcome to send you that
[24:17] information.
[24:21] » Any other questions, comments?
[24:25] » Thank you so much. We appreciate that.
[24:26] do that.
[24:28] >> H we are going to actually push item
[24:30] agenda four to the bottom for now
[24:33] because we haven't heard uh like a full
[24:37] update on the engineering project for a
[24:39] while I feel like. So we're going to let
[24:40] them update us. Yes.
[24:44] So yeah, that's you again.
[24:45] >> Okay. Well, let's see. So the first one
[24:48] we're going to cover
[25:00] digging down the green.
[25:03] >> I saw the warning about watch out for
[25:05] the maybe
[25:10] things will be in motion.
[25:13] >> So the first uh project um this is our
[25:17] 2026 Pro city crack seal project. Um
[25:20] this is something that Mr. Mikkelson. He
[25:22] has been running this um show and this
[25:24] year he decided he wanted me to get
[25:26] involved. So he he gave me some um
[25:30] helpful insights and uh we're just
[25:32] carrying on with our crack steel
[25:34] project. So we'll be touching some of
[25:38] our major roads but overall this year we
[25:41] went a little bit on the heavier side as
[25:43] far as the um crack seal is concerned.
[25:46] Uh the pricing that we got were actually
[25:48] pretty surprisingly well. Uh which makes
[25:51] us believe we might want to even add on
[25:53] to it if we have if we wanted to.
[25:59] » Nothing on this project.
[26:05] » It is but most of the products already
[26:06] made so it doesn't really affect
[26:08] anything for this project.
[26:12] So, Hullbrook Assault um is our selected
[26:16] contractor. We have them on board. Uh
[26:19] they are expected to start next week or
[26:22] the week following. So, we're going to
[26:24] be starting this one soon.
[26:27] Uh like I said, we're hitting uh a lot
[26:29] of roads.
[26:31] Uh and at some point, we are going to
[26:33] we're going to discuss if we wanted to
[26:35] add a little bit more to this, but for
[26:37] now, we're going to stick here.
[26:44] That's it. Not a whole lot on this one.
[26:50] Okay, let's see. We have Mr. Miklson.
[26:58] David D present the next item. So,
[27:00] David, thank you.
[27:08] All righty.
[27:10] You can just start. I just got one slide
[27:12] in there.
[27:16] Okay. So, you can go to the next slide.
[27:19] Don't push play yet. No one will listen
[27:21] to me. But I'm just kidding.
[27:23] >> Um, so it's kind of been about two
[27:25] months because we didn't quite update it
[27:26] in February with the mag presentation.
[27:28] So, the last two months quite a bit has
[27:30] happened. We finished all the drilled
[27:33] shafts. We finished the two abutments
[27:36] and we have girders in place. So, that
[27:40] was only three things, but that's a lot
[27:42] uh big milestones. And so, now you'll
[27:44] see a lot taking shape over the next
[27:46] couple weeks. This is kind of when more
[27:49] visible stuff will actually be
[27:50] happening. So, you can play this is just
[27:53] time lapse over the last two months.
[27:56] This, you can see these operations,
[27:58] they're just doing the drill shafts and
[28:00] putting those piles in.
[28:03] I'll finish up and you'll see them frame
[28:05] the abutments.
[28:11] down
[28:13] and then they're starting framing time
[28:16] bar and they'll pour.
[28:20] We get our one snowstorm.
[28:22] >> Yeah.
[28:24] >> Pour the other one.
[28:31] Oh yeah, that was another big milestone
[28:33] too. We are out of the river officially.
[28:35] Uh, so we got all our rip wrap and our
[28:36] coffer dams out and so the river is now
[28:39] no longer
[28:41] >> and that was on Monday when all that got
[28:43] done. So, but right now they're just
[28:46] stabilizing the girders, getting
[28:47] everything in place. They'll get to
[28:50] start framing for the deck and we'll
[28:52] you'll see the deck being poured in a
[28:54] couple weeks. And then on the left side that um the covert wall there
[29:00] uh that will be poured in the next week
[29:02] or two as well. Um, so we're getting
[29:05] closer.
[29:07] That's where the bridge is at starting to take.
[29:10] >> Um,
[29:12] >> there's a lot of traffic diverting to
[29:14] the River Grove neighborhood
[29:16] >> and often at high speeds there. We're
[29:19] looking
[29:21] into that at all.
[29:22] >> The designated the designated detour is
[29:24] 500 north.
[29:25] >> But a lot of people have learned that
[29:26] oh, we can zip through these residential
[29:28] streets that come in on Columbia Lane,
[29:30] right?
[29:30] >> When they do that, they're usually doing
[29:32] 3540
[29:33] Um, I don't know. That's
[29:37] >> maybe just get with police and see if
[29:39] they want to go park a car out there and
[29:41] just get some enforcement on it. Far as
[29:43] use of public roads and public roads,
[29:45] but as far as speeding, I think that's
[29:47] something we could look into and seeing
[29:48] if we could crack down.
[29:55] » Uh, yes, the project is going to happen
[29:58] on time. We are going to extend the
[29:59] project a little bit just with some
[30:01] changes that uh we've been making on the
[30:05] uh trail structure to try to make it a
[30:07] little bit better waterproofed. And
[30:09] we're also going to be adding a mural
[30:10] underneath rather than doing like
[30:12] recessed concrete. Um and so those have
[30:15] kind of added a little bit. We're still
[30:16] going to finish our goal is to finish
[30:18] and have it open by July 4th. Um, and so
[30:21] early summer is when we're planning on
[30:23] being done.
[30:27] » Because you never get to do projects
[30:29] this cool.
[30:30] >> It is pretty great.
[30:35] » Well, I mean like most of what they do
[30:36] is street maintenance, right? This is
[30:38] the cool stuff. We got two weeks.
[30:44] » Good job.
[30:47] >> It's fun to see
[30:50] Are they called Ger?
[30:52] >> It's fun to see those
[30:56] » very nice
[30:59] concrete curves.
[31:03] » Thank you.
[31:05] >> That's it for A20.
[31:07] Okay.
[31:18] » You can just zoom in on that one
[31:20] section.
[31:23] So this year's road rehab, we're
[31:24] focusing on one area. Um
[31:28] we it's something that we're trying
[31:30] there's so our main roads here that
[31:32] we're addressing is center street and
[31:33] northeast um being our own and collector
[31:36] roads there and while we're there we're
[31:39] trying to hit some of those residential
[31:40] roads that are in need of repair. Um,
[31:43] our pricing all came lower this year
[31:45] because of the proximity of the project.
[31:48] And so I talked to my contractor about
[31:50] it and they said even though pricing for
[31:52] them has gone up costs for everything,
[31:55] we've been able to get lower pricing on
[31:57] our end uh just because of how much they
[31:59] can get done in production and
[32:01] everything here. So we've tried to
[32:02] remove we've removed all of our concrete
[32:04] work. We did that last year for this
[32:06] area so that we could just have a
[32:08] seamless, you know, mill and overlay
[32:10] project. And it's something that we're
[32:11] testing and I think right now we're
[32:13] looking at uh starting in June and
[32:15] they'll they feel like they can get it
[32:17] done very quickly just because of the
[32:19] proximity and and the production they'll
[32:21] be able to get on all their asphalt. So
[32:22] we should be able to see a pretty quick
[32:24] road rehab project this year.
[32:29] » It should be done as well.
[32:31] >> Yeah.
[32:33] >> Students leave or they come back, right?
[32:39] the impact.
[32:41] >> Will you shut off parking on the streets
[32:43] all at the same time or will you do one
[32:45] street at a time?
[32:45] >> It'll be I can't say it will be one
[32:47] street at a time, but
[32:48] >> smaller area
[32:49] >> it'll be it won't be like the whole area
[32:50] will be closed because that would be
[32:52] insane. I would have to tow every day
[32:54] for hundreds and hundreds of cars. But
[32:56] we'll just they'll phase it, but they'll
[32:58] probably be moving through, you know,
[33:00] they'll phase it, move through a mill
[33:02] and be paving behind. So, they'll just
[33:04] it'll be something we work through.
[33:06] Um, is there notifications going out in
[33:09] the neighborhood?
[33:10] >> There will be.
[33:11] >> They put flyers on their windshield.
[33:14] >> I was gonna say because I think that's
[33:17] mostly BYU student area. So, I'm getting
[33:20] notifications. Is there a way we can
[33:23] like get the notification to BYU and
[33:25] have them posted or something?
[33:27] >> I mean,
[33:27] >> I'm announcing it in church as of now.
[33:31] >> Now that I know, I'll tell them all. So,
[33:33] I think you'd actually be surprised how
[33:34] few of the residents there are few.
[33:37] >> Yeah, they cool. Especially the ones
[33:39] over the summer.
[33:41] >> Doesn't that hit a couple areas close to
[33:43] apartment buildings?
[33:44] >> I don't know about that, but there's a
[33:45] lot of apartment buildings that are not
[33:49] >> people that live here.
[33:50] >> And our contractor takes care of the the
[33:52] noticings and they'll go through and
[33:54] notice all the apartments and houses and
[33:56] cars and put up, you know, whatever
[33:58] notice that's needed to get vehicles
[34:00] off. Um, and then if they're still
[34:02] there, then we tow them usually around a
[34:03] corner. Um, but
[34:06] >> yeah, there will be plenty of notice for all the residents and tenants. So,
[34:12] >> I'm thinking
[34:16] » it happens every year.
[34:17] >> I know
[34:20] >> they walk out there.
[34:28] » I'm sure they do it. don't think about
[34:30] stuff like that. They just
[34:32] >> And they then they come and knock on my
[34:34] door. What happened to my car? And I
[34:37] say, you know, the one that was there
[34:38] for two months.
[34:39] >> Yeah.
[34:40] >> The dusty one. The dusty one with leaves
[34:42] on it window.
[34:47] » Awesome. Thank you. Okay, last one.
[34:56] saw the notice that six south will be
[34:59] closed.
[35:01] >> Yeah, you saw that right. So the east
[35:03] frontage road from between fifth and six
[35:06] south that will be yeah that will be
[35:09] closed um to finish the rest of the
[35:11] storm tie in there. Um the project right
[35:15] now is on schedule. 70% of the sewer
[35:18] work has been done on the west side.
[35:22] Um they're working as speaking on the
[35:24] east side closer to frontage road to
[35:26] finish the rest of the storm tie in. Uh
[35:31] pretty much it. I mean schedule was all
[35:34] of 26 and 27 they're going to finish the
[35:37] east side. That's the demolition and
[35:39] rebuilding.
[35:40] Um and as speaking they are on schedule.
[35:43] continues cleaning according to
[35:46] >> we saw anotherbody
[35:50] maybe this is for but does anybody know
[35:52] why the apartment building on the west
[35:55] side of the bridge has stopped
[35:56] construction
[35:58] >> not sure if they stopped have they
[36:02] >> no
[36:04] equipment sometimes I haven't seen
[36:06] >> like they built a parking garage and
[36:08] then they stopped building the structure
[36:10] and I didn't know if that was because
[36:11] they ran out of money or they didn't
[36:13] buyers or if it had something to do with
[36:15] the integration like the the
[36:17] construction
[36:18] >> on their side the financing
[36:24] run
[36:25] internally.
[36:26] >> Okay. Do you think it's going to not
[36:30] revital? It's not going to happen.
[36:33] We're hopeful that it does. Problem that
[36:36] they're running into if they don't
[36:38] complete the projected
[36:42] they lose the redevelopment money
[36:46] that they were um getting
[36:49] and they'll have to pay for that
[36:52] property
[36:54] or the IFA used to be.
[36:58] So,
[37:01] » so it's in their it's it's to their
[37:03] advantage to follow
[37:04] >> it is
[37:06] what happens when they if they can't and we'll we'll send a
[37:15] bill property
[37:18] and that's really our only leverage.
[37:22] And you have an unused parking garage
[37:23] sitting there.
[37:29] » Somebody else finish it.
[37:34] >> I just wondered if it was anything to do
[37:36] with the bridge construction. So it
[37:37] sounds like it's not.
[37:40] They are fighting with you do any
[37:43] impacts from project
[37:48] has not to acquire any of the property.
[37:52] So
[37:54] you see how that turns out
[38:02] » it was in the plans anyway. Yeah.
[38:04] >> We we
[38:06] told them right from the floor. Hey, the
[38:09] bridge is going
[38:22] on the cones on South University.
[38:32] » Well, it will depend. I mean, so this is
[38:34] the first phase of trap control. So
[38:37] right now that will be once that other
[38:39] half of the bridge is it will flip and
[38:41] then I'm not sure what I can't remember
[38:43] what it looks like but there will be
[38:45] some iteration of of reduced access
[38:48] through the project
[38:55] » actually curious about those those like
[38:59] that stretch of university is always
[39:01] kind of stuck I'd say with like left
[39:05] turns and and stuff coming across three
[39:08] lanes of traffic and coming in from both
[39:10] sides of the road. Curious, are we
[39:13] looking at crash rates? All the cones
[39:15] are up.
[39:17] >> I think I think the road might be
[39:18] considerably safer now than it is.
[39:21] >> Um,
[39:22] >> now that people have figured out the
[39:23] traffic pattern.
[39:24] >> Yeah. Well, and you can't get through.
[39:25] They're so close. That's right. So, you
[39:28] can't do anything crazy. I'm wondering
[39:30] if we
[39:31] maybe the template for future design of
[39:34] that roadway
[39:36] >> to force people to use the intersections
[39:38] instead of all the
[39:39] >> Yeah, exactly.
[39:40] >> Let's let's reduce some of the left
[39:42] turns. You're saying for an item agenda
[39:44] next year, look at a revamp of South
[39:46] University in
[39:48] >> I guess I guess what I would like what I
[39:50] would like to invite the city engineers
[39:51] to do is look at crash rates on
[39:55] University Avenue as a function of when
[39:57] the cones were in which configuration
[40:00] and compare before and after.
[40:01] >> And you want to compare the type of
[40:03] crash because you might have more rear
[40:04] ending traffic backed up, but like left
[40:08] turn crashes or
[40:09] >> Yeah. And that's something we could
[40:11] definitely pass on to you do to look at
[40:14] road right
[40:16] that is something we could take we could
[40:18] bring up with our traffic operations and
[40:19] just see if they're interested in
[40:21] looking at that.
[40:22] >> I have wondered given that you do has
[40:25] done
[40:27] the other part of university with the UVX line
[40:31] >> and what they've done with third south
[40:32] which a lot of that is to reduce
[40:34] midblock left turns and what we did on
[40:36] Cougar Boulevard. I've driven on South
[40:38] University past the bridge. I thought
[40:41] I haven't when are we going to get to
[40:42] this road?
[40:43] >> Um
[40:45] >> that be a good idea.
[40:46] >> It does seem like um
[40:49] and I don't know what would you say has
[40:51] have the changes to the other roads I
[40:53] mentioned
[40:55] has has it produced the result of fewer
[40:57] accidents? It's
[40:58] >> a good question.
[40:59] >> I know accidents are waiting. Yeah, it
[41:02] seems like that used to be the number
[41:03] one place for
[41:06] >> they're considerably the crash rates are
[41:08] lower, the crash severity is lower.
[41:10] You've had two things at the same time.
[41:12] You've had the additional medians and
[41:14] bike lanes go in closing a bunch of
[41:16] accesses and making the road a little
[41:18] bit less chaotic. You've also had the
[41:19] removal of a whole bunch of 16-year-olds
[41:22] who are driving on that. So, both those
[41:24] things happen simultaneously. Uh, but I do think that the
[41:30] it's been a good thing. We're to say for
[41:32] now.
[41:33] >> Wondering with the potential
[41:37] redoing of the town center if they would
[41:41] consider that road.
[41:54] » Awesome.
[41:56] Thank you for the updates. We appreciate
[41:58] those.
[41:59] >> Um, next one. There is a house bill out,
[42:03] but
[42:05] uh I don't
[42:06] >> The governor signed it.
[42:08] >> Yeah,
[42:08] >> you did.
[42:09] >> I think you passed it.
[42:11] >> Okay. And it basically it basically um
[42:16] covered all the things we were talking
[42:18] about. And it was interesting to see
[42:19] that most of them were already like it
[42:22] didn't really make that many changes.
[42:24] No,
[42:24] >> the law was already there for the most
[42:26] part.
[42:26] >> Yeah, it I think it added helmets
[42:30] to age 18,
[42:32] >> 21, and
[42:35] >> three years.
[42:36] >> And there's an option for you to get
[42:39] like a license so that you can ride
[42:42] without parental supervision.
[42:44] >> You can't ride.
[42:45] >> Is that an option or a requirement?
[42:47] >> It was an option. You can either have
[42:48] parental supervision or you can have
[42:49] this
[42:50] >> creates a safety course for the
[42:51] operation of certain electric uh devices
[42:54] on a highway and describes the
[42:55] circumstances under which the course is
[42:57] required
[42:58] >> and maybe technical.
[43:00] >> That's and I think this is effective
[43:02] like May 1st or something, right?
[43:05] >> So like if a 15year-old wants to ride
[43:07] their scooter without their parents
[43:09] watching them, they can go take a
[43:11] certification,
[43:12] >> right? But once again, it all comes down
[43:14] to if nobody knows about it and nobody's
[43:16] enforcing it, then it doesn't matter
[43:18] that it just
[43:19] >> Well, it did have something that said
[43:22] like new sellers are going to have to
[43:24] include
[43:25] >> but that's already a requirement.
[43:28] >> That was already there as of last year,
[43:30] I believe. Um although it was more
[43:33] targeted towards the electric
[43:35] motorcycles and now it's on ebikes as
[43:36] well. So I've got to get a label maker
[43:38] actually. My business
[43:42] As far as I can tell, it's still in the
[43:44] governor's hands.
[43:45] >> Oh, it hasn't been signed.
[43:48] >> One thing that it does that I thought
[43:50] was interesting, I've read these
[43:52] sections of code so many times, um, you
[43:55] got rid of
[43:58] the legal definition of a motor-driven
[44:00] cycle, which was a subset of motorcycle.
[44:03] I don't know why that was ever a vehicle
[44:07] specific defined vehicle anyway because
[44:10] there were no laws that applied to
[44:12] motorcycles that didn't apply to that or
[44:13] vice versa. So, it makes sense they got
[44:16] rid of it. But, um they didn't really
[44:18] change much. Helmets until 21 were
[44:20] already the case for motorcycles. So,
[44:22] they've just made that the case for
[44:24] electric scooters and ebikes and things,
[44:26] which is I think is great. Well, I think
[44:28] after two, I mean, they've had so many
[44:30] young
[44:32] girls.
[44:34] Although, my husband pointed out that
[44:36] the girl who was really pushing this
[44:38] that had an injury, I think it was in
[44:40] Saratoga Springs, was going 40 miles an
[44:42] hour and not wearing a helmet, driving
[44:44] very recklessly. So, like there are
[44:47] multiple things contributing to these
[44:50] fatalities and and horrible accidents
[44:52] besides just my 12-year-old wasn't
[44:55] wearing a helmet or I wasn't watching
[44:56] him, you know?
[44:58] But the maybe the most important thing
[45:00] if if this actually gets signed and is
[45:02] the public education factor because like
[45:04] you said most of this is
[45:06] >> already there
[45:07] >> was already there.
[45:08] >> Yeah.
[45:08] >> Um it just people don't know about it
[45:11] and unfortunately even mentioned when I
[45:13] got here Vineyard City police just a few
[45:16] days ago posted a video on their social
[45:19] media. The police officer was literally
[45:21] sitting on an electric dirt bike and
[45:24] calling it an ebike over and over again
[45:27] and talking about how riding these on
[45:29] vineyard streets and and uh trails are okay, but even if they go 40, you
[45:34] should go slower and you should wear a
[45:36] helmet. I was like,
[45:38] >> not even saying it right.
[45:39] >> I mean, it's just not even close. So, uh
[45:44] there there's a
[45:46] the law hasn't really been the problem.
[45:49] the public awareness of the law. There's
[45:51] a big deficit that's been there the
[45:53] whole time.
[45:54] >> I really think we can partner with BYU
[45:56] on this and get a huge chunk. We can
[45:57] partner with UVU on this and just say
[46:00] these are the rules kind of like like
[46:02] St. George does on their trails. Just
[46:04] like these are the rules that you are
[46:07] supposed to be following. Have them on
[46:09] all of our trail signs. maybe have them
[46:11] with um like the week they come back to
[46:15] school just like to familiarize them
[46:17] with the frequent infractions that we
[46:20] see that are dangerous pedestrian
[46:22] safety.
[46:22] >> Are they the biggest problem?
[46:24] >> No, but like but if we did it with the
[46:26] back to school nights at the elementary
[46:28] schools, the high schools, the middle
[46:30] schools, then we can then we can go out
[46:32] in full force and have a huge week of
[46:35] enforcement because everybody has the
[46:37] information and if they disregard it,
[46:38] that's on them.
[46:42] I don't know.
[46:43] >> I don't know who who how do we get
[46:46] actually the fact that the police
[46:48] officer vineyard was even able to get to
[46:51] you indicates that that's probably a
[46:53] more effective communication vector than
[46:56] a lot of things I've talked about.
[46:57] >> Is that your is that yours?
[46:59] >> Well, yeah. So, we've coordinated before
[47:03] with um police, city council to do some
[47:07] of those like videos and things in the
[47:09] past.
[47:10] Um,
[47:14] yeah. So, so we can coordinate
[47:16] >> commit them to the school district and
[47:17] ask for them to put them on all the
[47:19] school ones because I don't see them
[47:21] unless I'm subscribed to them,
[47:22] >> right?
[47:23] >> So, you know, I'm not going to
[47:25] >> following the message.
[47:26] >> Only the people who are following Provo
[47:28] City's
[47:29] >> PR are going to see it. So, if we can
[47:31] get it out to each of the schools and
[47:32] they can put it on their Instagrams.
[47:35] >> Well, and and we can probably
[47:40] I'm going to say it it's also like a
[47:42] statewide issue like zero fatalities
[47:45] would probably be the best
[47:48] approach to get that message out
[47:50] statewide. So we can do like localized
[47:53] things here for for Provo City and get
[47:56] the message out on our channels and and
[47:58] reach out to school districts, see if
[48:00] they'd be interested in things like
[48:02] that. Um, but yeah, and and there's ways
[48:06] on social media you can pay for
[48:09] posts to expand that reach. So, it's
[48:12] going out to a larger audience. It might
[48:15] go further than Provo. It might just
[48:17] stay in Provo.
[48:19] I just feel like at least asking them
[48:23] >> to share your post
[48:25] without spending any money you've
[48:27] already
[48:29] school districts would be easy because
[48:30] they have their community councils who
[48:32] have their safe routes and they're
[48:33] supposed to present those over them
[48:35] every year and present them the entire
[48:38] school
[48:39] >> which they don't but now we've just
[48:40] given them something that we may
[48:42] >> but we can talk to superintendent now
[48:43] too like
[48:46] >> so my issue with this is a problems.
[48:50] The focus for me has never been about
[48:52] the older kids or the college kids
[48:54] because like you said, we can get the
[48:55] education out there. That's great.
[48:56] That's nice. And and then it's on them.
[48:58] For me, it's been the 14 and under
[49:00] crowd, the ones that actually are in
[49:02] these accidents. There were two
[49:03] 13-year-olds that were writing tea
[49:06] screws the other day. I saw the article.
[49:08] I can't remember what city is. They're
[49:11] they bumped. They fell into the road.
[49:13] Someone stopped tried to help them, but
[49:14] while they're trying to help them, one
[49:15] of them got hit by a truck. They're
[49:17] fine, fortunately. But it's the kids 14
[49:20] and younger to me that's always been the
[49:22] issue for me. A 14 and younger person
[49:25] should not be on a motorized anything.
[49:28] Even if they have, they do that waiver
[49:30] online. That's I mean, my son just got
[49:33] his permit, so yay. Now I get to teach a
[49:35] child how to drive a car. But for me,
[49:38] drive a car that can potentially hurt
[49:40] other people and themselves. They have
[49:43] to spend six months and driver's ed
[49:46] course. And there's a list of five
[49:48] things he has to do to actually be able
[49:50] to get a license to drive it.
[49:54] Same thing with any motorized anything
[49:56] for a kid 14 and under. Taking a YouTube
[49:59] course saying, "Look, I passed all these
[50:01] questions." And then being able to go
[50:03] out without parental supervision. I
[50:05] don't think that's safe enough for the
[50:06] kids.
[50:07] >> That would never be a pro city or that would be a state law.
[50:11] >> It can be a pro city or
[50:12] >> like I have a daughter that I've sent to
[50:14] school on a motor scooter when she's
[50:15] like nine or 10 years old, right? And
[50:17] I've ridden bikes with her as well. And
[50:19] to me, she's no less safe on a small
[50:22] motor scooter getting to school than
[50:23] she's on a bicycle.
[50:25] >> So why not just ride the bicycle?
[50:27] >> The motor scooter is easier.
[50:28] >> The motor is easier and her school was I
[50:31] mean she would
[50:31] >> we have an obesity problem in this
[50:33] country anyway?
[50:34] >> Yeah. from the it's up to parents to
[50:36] govern their kids at that point. It's
[50:38] not we don't need a government in there
[50:39] telling all the parents how to like what
[50:41] their kids can and can't do.
[50:44] >> I've been reading a lot about the early
[50:47] years of the automobile.
[50:51] Um, and for the first 15 years that
[50:55] automobiles were available in England,
[50:57] law was you could not drive faster than
[51:02] the person walking in front of your car
[51:04] waving a red flag telling you that
[51:06] telling people that there was a car
[51:07] coming.
[51:09] Um, so the speed limit on cars in
[51:12] England for the first 15 years was
[51:13] effectively miles an hour.
[51:17] That sounds great. Sounds amazing. like
[51:19] let's go back to that. Um the I guess it
[51:24] took us about 30 years to find the right
[51:26] mix of laws for cars and I think that
[51:30] it'll take us about that long with all
[51:32] these new things too. I I hope it
[51:33] doesn't. Um but like it's it is a
[51:38] decision that's much bigger than this
[51:40] city and this this body. Um I think if
[51:44] we
[51:46] like
[51:49] Yeah, I'm just saying we it's okay to be
[51:52] a little bit like
[51:57] I think I think our I think our laws are
[51:59] okay. Um I I view the problem as not
[52:04] child falling on a motor scooter but the
[52:06] truck behind hitting them.
[52:09] That's the problem. Separate them.
[52:12] >> Let's separate them. Let's build better
[52:13] lanes that are separated from the road.
[52:15] >> See that? That's my
[52:16] >> And that's that's how we fix the
[52:18] problem.
[52:18] >> Let's educate them on bike riding
[52:21] safety.
[52:21] >> Let's make the truck drive 20 m hour.
[52:24] >> Let's let's do something else.
[52:25] >> So, we make the scooters drive 15 miles
[52:27] an hour like they're supposed to.
[52:29] >> Okay. So, we get the police out there
[52:30] and start pulling over any and all
[52:32] >> E2s ebike people.
[52:35] >> Yeah. As long as they're pulling over
[52:36] the cars, too.
[52:38] >> They don't. The serious thing I worry
[52:39] about with my kids is if they ride down
[52:41] like um one of the hills around here on
[52:44] a bike, they can get up to 30 miles per
[52:45] hour easy and they're doing it right
[52:47] next to live traffic. I prefer
[52:49] separation is is the primary aim for
[52:52] safety is you get the bikes and the the
[52:54] motor vehicles away from cars and
[52:56] they're far less likely to have a
[52:57] problem.
[52:59] >> But until then,
[53:02] I will always advocate for teaching safe
[53:05] like safe rules. I teach my kids whether
[53:09] it's an ebike or a regular bike or a
[53:11] foot scooter or an e- scooter that they
[53:14] are not to ride on the sidewalk if
[53:15] they're going fast. They're not to
[53:17] they're to expect that nobody ever sees
[53:19] them and they always have to make eye
[53:21] contact before they cross the street and
[53:23] they wait when their light turns green
[53:24] just to make like those safety
[53:26] principles. And so apparently there's a
[53:28] generation that doesn't teach those. And
[53:30] we need to figure out how we can bridge
[53:33] that gap so that everyone has the
[53:35] information they need to be responsible
[53:37] and keep themselves safe. Whether
[53:38] they're 9, 14, or 21, there are clearly
[53:42] people in the community who either never
[53:45] learn the rules or think they don't
[53:46] apply to them. And we need to make sure
[53:48] that our enforcement presence and our
[53:50] education presence hold them responsible
[53:53] for those rules. And we don't need to
[53:57] overregulate. We just need to use what
[53:59] we've already got and use it correctly.
[54:02] >> That's how I feel. Anyway,
[54:03] >> general safety is applicable to
[54:05] everything. Trying to single out any
[54:06] specific mode of transportation is being
[54:08] unsafe. Like admittedly, motorized
[54:11] thing, there is some some point on the
[54:13] line between like a little kid's motor
[54:14] scooter up to a motorized dirt bike.
[54:17] Like they're not the same thing even
[54:19] remotely, right? And so there is a
[54:21] different measure of safety between the
[54:23] two. But the lump so I like the mountain
[54:25] bike to give an example. Um, you can
[54:28] take a horse, pack horse into any
[54:31] wilderness area in the United States,
[54:32] but you can't take a mountain bike
[54:34] because the law when it was written up
[54:35] said no mechanized vehicles shall be
[54:38] permitted in wilderness. So even though
[54:40] I like to mountain bike, if I come up to
[54:42] a trail that goes into wilderness, I
[54:43] have to stop and turn around. Um, that
[54:45] law was made in I can't remember 1967
[54:48] 60s sometime before mountain bikes even
[54:50] were a thing, right? So lumping back
[54:54] then when the law was written, it was
[54:55] motorized as in jeeps, motorcycles,
[54:59] four-wheelers didn't really exist,
[55:01] >> but they're all mechanized. But then
[55:03] mountain bikes came along and they're
[55:05] still included. So wilderness is out off
[55:07] limits for somebody on a mountain bike.
[55:09] >> You're talking self-propelled, not an
[55:10] >> eelf propelled with a pedal. And so
[55:13] nationwide, you can't take a mountain
[55:15] bike into any national park that's not
[55:17] on a paved road. You can't take it in
[55:18] any wilderness cuz the original law was
[55:21] no mechanized vehicle. So if you say a
[55:24] motorass assisted or electric motor
[55:26] vehicle and you include everything,
[55:29] that's pretty broad in my opinion.
[55:32] Um,
[55:34] so there's definitely a line there and
[55:36] at some point you should have a
[55:37] motorcycle handler permit or a license
[55:39] or whatever you're on certain types of
[55:41] vehicles. But
[55:44] speaking of um
[55:47] law, the so I mentioned that this house
[55:51] bill what is it 381? I hope they pass
[55:54] it. Um that they did away with the motor
[55:56] driven cycle classification, but they
[55:58] have added and this is probably what
[56:00] would be relevant to what you just
[56:02] mentioned is
[56:04] they sort of added a catchall definition
[56:06] of a vehicle. So for the for what for
[56:08] what we don't have even what they
[56:10] haven't even invented yet we have this
[56:12] it's uh line 630 it says a high power
[56:15] electric device means a self-profile
[56:18] vehicle other than a motor vehicle
[56:20] subject to the title and registration
[56:21] requirements. So something that doesn't
[56:24] need a title registration license plates
[56:26] um but it is an electric device and
[56:29] powered by an electric motor that is
[56:31] capable of traveling more than 20 miles
[56:33] per hour on the power of the electric
[56:34] motor alone. Um, and then those uh that
[56:39] type of vehicle is subject to
[56:44] because of it. If it meets that
[56:46] definition, then it has its own laws
[56:48] that apply to it. It's um I believe and
[56:50] I haven't read through this whole thing
[56:52] yet, but I believe that it's something
[56:53] that wouldn't be road or trail legal.
[56:56] It's like private property or maybe
[56:58] off-road only. Um, but I think that's
[57:01] looking that's the the legislators
[57:03] looking forward and saying basically
[57:05] anything that doesn't meet these other
[57:07] definitions we've already made is kind
[57:10] of off-road only. And um I think that's
[57:14] good. The common denominator in all of
[57:16] the other vehicles is 20 mph. So there's
[57:19] some different motor wattages that are
[57:21] permitted for different types, which
[57:22] doesn't make any sense to me that they
[57:24] did that. like 2,000 watts on an
[57:26] electric scooter that you stand on, but
[57:28] 750 watts on an ebike. Why?
[57:32] >> But but they're both limited to 20 miles
[57:34] per hour or 28 on ebike if you're
[57:36] pedaling. So I think that's what they're
[57:38] kind of doing.
[57:40] >> Is that capability or
[57:42] >> capability? And if it's there's there's
[57:44] verbiage in here where if it's capable
[57:46] of being modified to exceed that speed
[57:48] limit or other things, there's there's
[57:50] labeling laws about what they have to
[57:51] say and and what law enforcement can do
[57:54] about it. So, it seems like they've
[57:56] settled on pretty much 20 mph is the
[57:59] speed limit for motorized non
[58:03] registered street legal motor vehicles,
[58:05] but for this other category,
[58:08] um 20 miles an hour and then so at least
[58:13] there's that. I mean, some of us would
[58:15] rather be 15, some would rather nobody
[58:17] under 14 rides them, but at least
[58:18] there's that.
[58:22] which gives the enforcement arm
[58:24] something very consistent to enforce.
[58:26] They could sit on provos trails and say
[58:28] provost trails are are signed at 15,
[58:31] state laws 20, you were doing 21,
[58:34] therefore you're in violation of both.
[58:35] We feel really confident that you're we
[58:38] need to pull you over and talk to you.
[58:40] City ordinances always be more
[58:42] restrictive than the state but not less.
[58:49] uh five minutes to go and uh the east
[58:53] west connectivity discussion is kind of
[58:54] going to be an ongoing discussion. Uh
[58:57] Greg has said that he doing a project
[59:00] for us that he'll this year. Uh um so we
[59:05] kind of want to what are our parameters
[59:08] on this like what are what are our main
[59:11] goals on east west connectivity? I know
[59:14] it was something that was brought up as
[59:17] discussion this year. So what is the
[59:19] goal that people work on? I think we
[59:24] were talking when we came up with this
[59:26] goal of when we say east west
[59:29] connectivity we're talking about the
[59:30] barrier of the freeway getting people so
[59:34] that our city isn't divided right that
[59:37] we're all the same city with the same
[59:38] access.
[59:40] Like it would be nice. Somebody was
[59:42] talking once about 200 North being going
[59:45] all the way through to 900 East and that
[59:47] that's on a transportation plan
[59:50] somewhere, but that helps a section of
[59:53] the city get from University Avenue or
[59:55] 500 West over, but it doesn't bridge the freeway. And I think that to me is
[1:00:02] the number one priority is getting
[1:00:03] those. So whether we have more accesses
[1:00:06] under the freeway which is less likely
[1:00:08] or whether we make sure that the
[1:00:09] accesses that take us from one side of
[1:00:10] the freeway to the other are super
[1:00:12] efficient and safe for all modes that
[1:00:15] would be my goal.
[1:00:17] >> So the way I see this issue bring it up
[1:00:20] is looking historically at Utah and how
[1:00:23] the cities were laid out you always had
[1:00:24] ma main and centers and they were
[1:00:27] supposed to be more or less primary
[1:00:29] arterial type roads. They're supposed to
[1:00:30] be the main travel roads through an
[1:00:32] area. And Utah, prior to the freeway,
[1:00:34] had highways that went north and south
[1:00:37] because that's where the cities were.
[1:00:38] That's where the mountains constrained
[1:00:39] us. The lakes constrained us. We had
[1:00:41] highways that went north and south. The
[1:00:43] highways would turn into main streets
[1:00:44] typically in every little city. And then
[1:00:46] the center streets, I mean, sometimes it
[1:00:48] would slip, but usually the center
[1:00:50] streets would be perpendicular to that,
[1:00:51] right? Um, if you needed to go east and
[1:00:53] west, you could get on center and get
[1:00:55] through town. If you need to go north
[1:00:56] and south, you get on main to get
[1:00:57] through town. Well, as all of the cities
[1:01:00] have grown up around here, those rural
[1:01:02] highways all turned into very long main
[1:01:04] streets that had pretty good access, the
[1:01:07] center streets didn't. Instead of being
[1:01:10] highways originally, they didn't grow
[1:01:13] with anything. So, they ended up
[1:01:14] congested. And so, we didn't build
[1:01:16] additional
[1:01:18] um east west arterials to match the
[1:01:21] north south highways that we turned into
[1:01:24] our arterials. So Provo had that problem
[1:01:27] where we have our freeway over there,
[1:01:29] but when the freeway was built, there
[1:01:31] was nothing west of the freeway, right?
[1:01:34] So the connectivity is kind of poor and
[1:01:36] we have a real serious problem with it
[1:01:37] in that the only real way to provide
[1:01:40] actual arterials east and west is often
[1:01:42] to smash a bunch of houses down. And the
[1:01:44] political turmoil of that is really hard to sell.
[1:01:51] I think there's another east west thing
[1:01:54] where when when people talk about east
[1:01:57] west connection they're often talking
[1:02:00] benches getting to the freeway
[1:02:04] it's a quantitatively and qualitatively
[1:02:07] different discussion than the I5
[1:02:11] so I I do think that separating this
[1:02:13] video so I think it's actually two
[1:02:14] different discussions
[1:02:16] um but people talk about east
[1:02:19] connectivity and they think they're
[1:02:21] friends that they're actually talking
[1:02:22] totally different.
[1:02:23] >> Yeah.
[1:02:24] >> Except that if you do the crossing the
[1:02:27] freeway access really well, then you can
[1:02:29] also
[1:02:31] >> do the tie-in access really well.
[1:02:33] >> I do I do think though that we
[1:02:36] in this discussion I want it I would
[1:02:38] like it to be data driven as much as
[1:02:41] possible, right? like I feel like the microability discussion got uh sort
[1:02:48] of emotional sometimes last year. U I'm
[1:02:53] not I'm not excusing myself from that.
[1:02:55] Um I it would be great like if we're
[1:02:58] going to talk about east west
[1:02:59] connectivity
[1:03:01] like oh this neighborhood has really bad
[1:03:02] connectivity.
[1:03:04] How are we describing that? What what
[1:03:06] measures are we using? How do we justify
[1:03:08] that statement other than
[1:03:11] it's hard for me to get across? Like
[1:03:13] that that's not data. And I I'd like to
[1:03:15] see at least some data make an
[1:03:17] appearance. And I hope to do that in my
[1:03:19] presentation this summer, but it'd be
[1:03:21] great if there's other perspectives and
[1:03:23] other data that can be brought into it
[1:03:24] as well.
[1:03:26] >> Travel and
[1:03:28] >> whatever like and we should talk about
[1:03:30] what what that is, right? Like what data
[1:03:32] do we think is valid? Are
[1:03:33] >> you starting with Pearl City's existing
[1:03:36] streets master plan? like what's already
[1:03:38] think on a master plan from like
[1:03:40] probably 50 or 60 that have never built.
[1:03:44] >> That's right. So I mean what I'm what
[1:03:46] I'm going to be doing is I'm going to
[1:03:47] take the street network and points of
[1:03:49] interest data and do some experiments
[1:03:52] where I take away roads and I add roads
[1:03:56] and see who who gains the most or who
[1:03:59] loses the most when those roads are
[1:04:01] lost.
[1:04:02] Yeah, kind of a travel demand model
[1:04:03] type. Uh but there are other valid ways
[1:04:06] of doing this too like travel times to
[1:04:09] key stationations or level of service on
[1:04:12] the main access road.
[1:04:15] And you know in all this like with 700
[1:04:18] North that's often cited as oh we need a
[1:04:21] faster road getting east to west across
[1:04:23] Provo than 700 North is. More people
[1:04:26] walk across 700 North than drive down
[1:04:28] it. So we shouldn't like make it harder
[1:04:32] for people to walk in that direction by
[1:04:34] making it easier for a few people. And
[1:04:37] so there's there's some constraints that
[1:04:39] we need to have in this discussion as
[1:04:40] well.
[1:04:41] >> Also the fact that 700 North doesn't go
[1:04:43] very far beyond university.
[1:04:44] >> That's right. It ends in freedom. It
[1:04:46] really turning into main street. Yeah.
[1:04:48] >> And so it has a demographic of students
[1:04:50] that are walking already quite a bit.
[1:04:51] >> That's right. Um if you look
[1:04:53] qualitatively where where is a place
[1:04:56] that has good east west connectivity
[1:04:58] what does that look like? So you go up
[1:05:00] to Oram, you have if you go to if you
[1:05:03] get out of Provo. Yeah. You go north,
[1:05:06] you've got University Parkway, which
[1:05:07] used to be a highway to BYU's doorstep.
[1:05:10] It's not anymore. Then you have you have
[1:05:13] Center Street, you have 800 North, you
[1:05:15] have 6600 North. About every mile or so,
[1:05:19] you have a major east west arterial. In
[1:05:22] Provo, they're not. They don't exist.
[1:05:26] The only east west arterial that's
[1:05:27] actually kind of a decent arterial is
[1:05:30] center street
[1:05:31] >> and I would argue that like
[1:05:34] >> and I would argue that we don't
[1:05:35] >> technically an arterial but it's posted
[1:05:36] 25. So it's not an art.
[1:05:40] >> Yeah. I mean they're both the same
[1:05:42] arterial. They're not all
[1:05:44] >> arterial. But it's your way to get
[1:05:46] across
[1:05:47] >> all the way to
[1:05:50] downtown.
[1:05:51] >> Uh I mean
[1:05:53] >> I think turning promo into ORM would be
[1:05:55] a mistake though and that that's where
[1:05:56] we need to talk about the
[1:05:57] >> because like you said in order to get
[1:05:59] those throughways through ORM they knock
[1:06:02] down rows and rows of houses to build
[1:06:04] wider
[1:06:04] >> roads right now what they're doing.
[1:06:06] >> Okay. I am going to actually wheel this
[1:06:09] in just a little bit because we are at
[1:06:10] time. The third thing that was mentioned
[1:06:13] in a discussion before was not just
[1:06:16] looking at cars but actually looking at
[1:06:19] all mobility east west getting from lake
[1:06:22] the lake to mountains. So um did those
[1:06:26] three discussion points sound like good
[1:06:27] discussion? We're talking the barrier to
[1:06:30] freeway which is a huge thing in provo.
[1:06:32] We're talking benches to freeway which
[1:06:34] some of those streets up on the benches
[1:06:36] are rats nests.
[1:06:39] Um and then mobility for all forms of traffic from late to not
[1:06:48] um I'll talk to about afterwards. Okay.
[1:06:52] Uh we'll take those three discussion
[1:06:54] points and we'll we'll kind of get a
[1:06:56] plan moving forward on this discussion.
[1:06:58] Thank you guys so much today for your
[1:07:00] time. Thank you for your opinions and
[1:07:03] thank you for sharing them. I even if we
[1:07:06] don't always agree, I appreciate that we
[1:07:07] have open discussions here. So, I just
[1:07:09] want to thank you guys on that. And
[1:07:11] we're we have to say a motion to
[1:07:13] >> adjourn.
[1:07:17] » Meeting adjourned. Yay.
[1:07:24] » You and I can park.
[1:07:25] >> We don't have to fight over.
[1:07:27] I got her an