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>> We welcome you to the Provo Municipal

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Council work meeting. It is March 24th,

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2026 and it's 1:01 p.m.

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Uh we will do a roll call starting with

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Council Rachel Wiffle. Rachel Wiffle.

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Becky Bogden. Katrice MacKay. Brady

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Christensen. Jeff Whelock. Gary Garrett.

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All right. Um although this is a public

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meeting, only the presenters and those

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invited by the council may ask or speak.

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May speak or ask questions. Unless

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otherwise invited by the chair. Please

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wait to speak until called upon by the

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council chair. When speaking, please be

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sure to use the microphone so that the

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record is clear and those attending

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Please also be sure to limit side

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conversations as they interfere with the

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audio recording. If you need to have a

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side conversation, please step out of

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the work meeting room. It is proposed

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that we approve the following minutes.

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March 10th, 2026 work meeting. Are there

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any objections or requested changes?

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Just one change.

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I have a brother named Greg, so I'm very

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used to this, but it said Greg Garrett

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on the attendance, yeah.

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Oh, the minutes.

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It was actually me, not Greg.

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Is he a twin?

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Hm? Is he a twin? No.

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Seeing no, okay, we'll make those

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changes. I'll fix your name. Thank you.

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And we'll declare that the minutes are

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approved by unanimous consent.

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All right, our first item of business is

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a presentation regarding the proposed

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redevelopment of the Provo Town Center

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site into a mixed-use transit-oriented

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district. And this will be presented by

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Robert Schmidt, development director of

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PEG Companies, and Justin Long, project

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executive for Brixton.

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And we have about 60 minutes for this

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We'll try this. You're right to the

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Sandy to Smith or Sides? Is it Sides? I

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have two sets of slides here. So let me

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know if this is the one you want to use.

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If you have not, I have another one.

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You should have a clicker.

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just real quick. Okay, I'll do the other

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and you can use that clicker up there

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I got you only got these two.

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All right, good afternoon. My name is

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Robert Schmidt, managing director of

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development of PEG Companies

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here in Provo. We're a Provo company,

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been here for in Provo for 15 years, but

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we were actually founded my first office

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building was in the Knight Block

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building on the third floor. So we've

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been here a while. Done several projects

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You may be familiar with those.

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And we're happy to be here to talk about

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the Provo Town Center Mall project.

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We're partnered with Brixton Capital.

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Justin Long is here today with me and

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going through much of the presentation.

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process that we're in and the next steps

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that need to be taken to continue

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advancing this project to to bring it to

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for a rezone which involves a a text

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the ITOD zone

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to amend the general plan and to rezone

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zone and we'll get into specifics about

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that. Uh attached to the the rezone

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request is a conceptual site plan.

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conceptual site plan. We'll kind of

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uh, rezone request. Um in addition to

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process with the city. The HTARZ is the

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Housing Transit Reinvestment Zone.

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increment financing tool, um, to help

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projects get over the hump, uh, of, you

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know, big projects that require major

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infrastructure to help them get over the

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hump to make them feasible. So, we'll

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HTARZ specifics as we get into that. We

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Capital and, uh, Tyler Phelps with PEG.

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Thanks very much. We're, uh, pleased to

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be in front of you and presenting,

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excuse me, this concept and

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they've been a fantastic partner. We're

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thrilled to have them, um, on the

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project. They do extremely high-quality

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development on the multi-family side and

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we see that as a, obviously, a good,

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crucial component of the overall site

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plan here to making this successful and

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we're we're thrilled. They've been

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excellent partners to this and, you

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know, they'll continue to be, um, adding

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value through the process. So, um, as

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mall here. It's

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not been as successful, I think, from a

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footfall standpoint as we'd like it to

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be in a number of years and we see that

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it needs to be reinvented. Uh, you know,

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this is not unique to Provo Town Center.

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This is a secular shift that's happening

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across the country. Uh, in indoor malls

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are having challenges kind of no matter

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where they are. And the vast majority of

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those, uh, will need to become something

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else in the future. I saw an estimate

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the other day as high as 80% of current

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indoor malls will no longer be malls in

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15 plus years. This is happening all

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around the world, excuse me, around the

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kind of been the tale of the tape here.

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annual sales tax receipts

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prior to today and on the right and red

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you can see kind of where we see things

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going without sort of re- reimagining

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what the future of the campus really

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needs to be. I mean, it's not a good

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asset currently for the community from a um placemaking

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standpoint, a business standpoint, or

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really from a revenue generation

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standpoint. So,

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bring this into the 21st century.

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S- A lot of you all Kyle and I live this

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every day, so we have to deal with these

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challenges on a daily basis, but for

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those that aren't really familiar with

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what the challenges associated with

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malls are and why they're extremely hard

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to redevelop, and this is just sort of a

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high-level uh categorization of the

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things that create problems as we uh try

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to engage with the core partners and

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stakeholders in reimagining these kinds

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of assets.

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this that govern how these assets work.

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who can go where and who can build what

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where. Um those have to have um

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extremely detailed negotiations. In this

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case, it went on for many years uh on

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how to unlock the potential because the

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partners that are part of that agreement

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are often the key partners that are on

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the site, people like J.C. Penney's, um

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those kind of major players that are

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retailers have their own business needs

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that they're obviously concentrating on.

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negatively affected by whatever's going

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to happen going forward. So, that that's

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a major component that ties in with the

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anchor tenant rights just depending on

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whether they lease or actually own the

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ground. Uh but those are the same kinds

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of conversations. But the fact that

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there's typically multiple ownership

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groups, so when we when Brixton Capital

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acquired the property,

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the as some of you may or may not know,

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Dillard's actually used to own their

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building and the land around their

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building over time. And with the Target

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project, we were able to acquire their

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interest, which streamlined that

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approval process with them.

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the table with that acquisition.

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not one that's insignificant is, you

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know, there's existing businesses that

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operating today. Whether it's Rue 21 or

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some of the temporary tenants, those are

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all obviously people that need to be uh

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talked to and figured out how to

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transition them to an alternative

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location, and in some cases relocate

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them into the uh the project and a

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different configuration. So, those are

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all challenges that we have to work through. This is a graphic that

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I think helps illustrate

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uh for Provo Town Center how these

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challenges manifest themselves. So,

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all of the boxes in red are the key

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anchor tenants that have to approve any

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of the components of any changes in

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development. So, you've got

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uh so, like I said, Cinemark, JCPenney,

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and Target. And then, in purple here,

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you each one of those parking lots

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has major controls that are dictated by

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either one or all, in some cases, of

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those anchor tenants. So, again, some of

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the challenges we have to work through

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try to create a new vision for what we

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believe the project should be going

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forward.

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So, just to hit real quick, I won't

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spend a lot of time on this, but as I

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mentioned, you know, we were able to

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acquire the Dillard's interest. We were

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able to bring Target into the project,

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which was a massive uh validation of the

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quality of the the real estate and the

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and a first domino for us to fall, and

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we think there's a lot of momentum there

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that we'd like to ride into the next uh

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phase of the project. And we see that as

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a before and after. On the right, you

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can see that it's an entirely enclosed

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indoor mall shifting to an

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exterior-oriented

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mixed-use walkable environment is the

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vision.

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So, I'd like to do play our video. Yeah,

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I think it Yeah, so Okay.

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I was wondering what this video was.

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It's actually really cool.

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So, let the video play. It's not, you

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know, it's not perfect. It was done a

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little while ago for some details um

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change in the plans, but it overall

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gives you a really good sense of what

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the walkable mixed-use um higher density

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vision for the project uh is intended to

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be.

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If we're able to kill this, nobody's

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killing it.

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Doesn't get any better.

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Um Wait, I'll talk about the buildings.

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So, the intent the intent here is to

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bring the vehicles and and the customers

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into the center of the new plaza

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and create a lot of energy as the nexus

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there around which everything can can

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pivot. On the left or in front of us, I

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should say, is the reconfigured mall.

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It's important to note that the

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buildings that you see right here are

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actually part of the malls. So, we're

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taking the existing mall structure and

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we're turning it reorienting it inside

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out. So, we're not just tearing

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something down and building something

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new. We're doing our best to try to use

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the existing infrastructure as best we

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can to facilitate uh this new vision.

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It's really centered around amenity-rich

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plaza area. We want to bring vehicles in

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and through and allow for convenient

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access and parking. We've got bicycle

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lanes that are designed in here that

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we'll see and highlight a little bit

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later. Um

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we've narrowed the scope of the retail,

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the small shop retail as you can see

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here everything on the lower level is

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intended to be that retail. What do you

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mean? Just smaller stores as opposed to

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big anchor stores? Yeah, just we've

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reduced the amount of small shop retail

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square footage. So today, we'll get to

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this in a minute. We have there's a

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tremendous amount of small shop retail

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interior facing space. And the scale was

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just unsustainable in today's world like

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from a lease-ability I mean it's

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standpoint. So we've reduced that to

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what we believe is productive leasable

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long-term sustainable space. It's all

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centered around an environment that

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people are actually going to want to

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spend time

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So you can pause it right there for a

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second.

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That's okay. I I've got a That's okay.

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I've got a slide in my space. Sure.

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So just jumping into the site plan

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because you can't see all the little

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details just through one fly-through but

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I'll be able to point to the screen.

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Each touch round screen.

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Touch.

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Oh yeah, you can you can paint on the

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screen with your finger. Oh perfect.

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Okay. So this if you remember this is a

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two-level mall. So we're looking at the

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lower level plan right now.

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So the food court entrance would be

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somewhere around here today just to

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orient you.

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There you go.

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So

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all the anchors are planned the same

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place.

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We demolish what's currently the Sears

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or the old Sears box goes away to make

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way for a part of the multi-family as

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well as the new road configuration

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coming in and through it.

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Create this amenity plaza which we'll

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get to some of the details of in a

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minute. Surrounded by

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smaller shop oriented retail.

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And the bulk of what's now the interior

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wall on the lower level if you'll recall

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Cinemark today has parking underneath

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it. So, it's covered parking. The intent

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is that you would extend that covered

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parking into what's today part of the

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interior mall to just provide more

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convenient covered parking. It's

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proximate to both the JCPenney's,

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Cinemark, as well as the spot of the

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It's going to be like a really nice

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high-quality parking for people. It'll

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get used multiple times a day.

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And then we also have a retailer front

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entrance here

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as well as on the lower level of Target.

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So, you're hoping to have another big

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box retailer there? Is that what that's

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for? Yes.

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so

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>> to the interior parking is through the

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existing Cinemark parking? That's right.

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So, you would be driving in the way of

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existing parking and you would continue

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down here. You won't even realize it's

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separate parking.

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>> Okay, so the only way you get into it is

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from the mall. That's correct. Yes.

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So,

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>> From the west. From the west. From the west. Yes,

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sir. I'm yes. But yes, the I knew it

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would be a retailer here, the lower

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level of Target's right here where the

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back house is.

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And then there's two more opportunities.

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Again, facing this way is the entrance

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for multiple, we'll call box retailers.

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>> Oh, there is? Yes. I thought you had

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like warehouse stuff there. So, only

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about a third of this lower level of

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what used to be Dillard's

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is taken up by a Target's logistics.

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Okay.

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>> There's another 70-ish thousand square

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feet that there's opportunity for more

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retail.

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>> Oh, good. Yes.

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Now, are have you been talking to

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anyone? Like are there any names on the

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table? We certainly have, but I I'll

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tell you from personal experience in

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these conversations, the first question

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they ask is, "What's happening with the

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rest of the mall?"

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Cuz they're not willing to go into their

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committee and stand in front of their

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executives and say, "Yeah, we should

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really go here, but yeah, we know we're

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next to a dead mall and there's no real

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plan for it."

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So, we've had a lot of interest and we

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think we've shown this, you know,

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quietly to some folks and said, "Hey, is

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this interesting to you?" And every one

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of them says, "Yeah, this is great. It's

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the type of thing we would to sign up

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for, but let us know when you're ready

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to go."

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So, moving to the second level, uh

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this is the entrance to the parking

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garage just to orient you again on which

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level we're on. So, second level target

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entrance is here. This is shown as this

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is basically commercial space. It's a

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lighter blue. It could really be a mix

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of a variety of commercial uses. We've

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talked about some retail. We talked

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about um

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uh some like higher density office.

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We've talked about uh medical offices.

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There's a variety of different

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commercial level uses that works for in

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here. And you can see the aqua color is

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more of the I'll call it co-working or

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smaller density um office suites on the

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second level just because in most places

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second level retail struggles pretty

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significantly. So, doing a more

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sustainable use on that second level is the vision we see.

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Uh another thing to point out here is

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so, the entrance that you walk in today

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to on the second level on that upper

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level parking, walk in the second level

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mall entrance here, you walk into the

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front of Cinemark there.

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That same path of travel will basically

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still be intact. This parking will allow

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for entrance right through there. Can I

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clarify here? Can I clear that? I can

472
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clear it for you. Thank you.

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Oh.

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So, you see a little hallway there for

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lack of better term. It's it's really a

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entrance.

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Um and we're going to reconfigure where

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the lobby actually is. It will be pulled

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in a little bit. You'll essentially, if

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you're a customer for Cinemark, you'll

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take the same path of travel you have

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been.

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But you'll be

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It's really the first level the second

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level you're coming in at though, right?

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That's right. So, if you park So, if you

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park here, this is second level. Yeah,

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it's upper. If you come in and park

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under the Cinemark, you just go up these

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escalators there right there and be at

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their front entrance.

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So, the escalators are staying.

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Uh there will be escalators. They won't

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be the same ones, but yes, there will be

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escalators. Yes. They'll be positioned.

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So that darker blue section there, you

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said it's going to be like co-shared

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office space on the second Yeah,

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co-working, smaller office, yes. And

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that's the second level. That's correct.

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So when I walk in and go see a movie, I

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also see that co-working shared space as

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well, right? In the hallway? Uh if you

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keep walking, there's a there's a

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exterior pathway here. So if you kept

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walking past the entrance for the

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You could.

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But there can be like no indoor of

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connection, is what you're saying.

510
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The Cinemark entrance is going to be a

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Cinemark entrance. That's correct.

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And then the co-working entrance is

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going to be a co-working entrance. Then

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you're going to have a walking path that

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also for the light rail.

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Yeah, and

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so right here we would get into the

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hotel plan, but right here, that's where

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the elevator and the stair core is to

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get from

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this level here

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up.

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So you were parking, let's say, in that

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parking covered parking area, you could

525
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walk right there, here's the elevator.

526
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Remind me again what that orange is

527
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underneath the dark blue.

528
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I'm sorry? Remind me again what that

529
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orange is on the first level. Okay.

530
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Uh retail.

531
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Okay, so you have three retail

532
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>> box retail. Small box retail that will

533
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have an elevator and an escalator that

534
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goes up to the second floor with the

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co-working space.

536
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>> So this is all exterior facing around

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the plaza. There's a small lobby here

538
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that provides covered

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actually access between the plaza, the

540
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entrance to J.C. Penney's, and this

541
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extended covered parking area.

542
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So all that feeds into this lobby, and

543
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in that lobby is where that elevator

544
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would be.

545
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,560
So on the second back to the second

546
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,040
level.

547
00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,360
So that blue is all external facing.

548
00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,480
Second level. Yes. Yeah, it's a little

549
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,080
hard to see. I can run We can run the

550
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,280
video back, and you'll see that there's

551
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,480
a covered walkway just in front of that.

552
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,360
>> that. That was nice. So it is covered

553
00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:11,240
>> That's correct. on the walkway.

554
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,920
>> So all any of those entrances will just

555
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,960
open up to that covered walkway there.

556
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,120
And how many levels are there all

557
00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:17,880
together? Two.

558
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,480
There's just two levels, period.

559
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,800
Correct.

560
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,800
And Hazel keeps both of those

561
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,600
>> Well, on the commercial side, the

562
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,520
residential is

563
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,840
Uh five, right? Oh, yeah, we're just

564
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,480
talking about the mall. Yeah, just just

565
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,440
on the commercial side, yeah.

566
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,120
And Hazel still has the two levels.

567
00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:36,310
That's correct.

568
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,120
Yeah, so other than To answer that

569
00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:40,600
question, JCPenney's basically nothing

570
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,280
changes about their store itself. We'll make sure to reorient exactly how

571
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,360
it is.

572
00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:46,120
Okay, including

573
00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:47,400
>> Lobby area.

574
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,480
Including all the stores, restaurants,

575
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,160
entertainment, how many

576
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,320
businesses were you going to have add?

577
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,760
That's a tough question to answer. You

578
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,520
don't have a number?

579
00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,520
Well,

580
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,800
because it depends on the size of what

581
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:01,120
you're

582
00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:02,480
>> on the size, right? You could have one

583
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:02,840
really

584
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,880
>> So, you have square footage. Yeah, I'll

585
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,520
go to This will answer that question

586
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:07,440
later.

587
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,880
So, here is the square footage today.

588
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,000
Almost a million square feet. That

589
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,120
includes Sears, includes all the

590
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:14,520
interior malls that are really not

591
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,800
non-productive space, right? But at the

592
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,040
end, so the anchors are going to say,

593
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,680
"We're adding this is the 110,000 square

594
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,200
feet you're asking before about box

595
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,920
retail."

596
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,240
Uh 42,000 square feet of retail, another

597
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,920
100,000 square feet of commercial space,

598
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,080
and then about 20,000 in that

599
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,640
co-working. So, at the end of the day,

600
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,080
we're reducing the overall square

601
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,720
footage by about 300,000, but we're

602
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,640
massively increasing the product

603
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,760
productivity of everything that's left,

604
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,800
right? So, we're getting rid of all that

605
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,880
interior mall space that's been very

606
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,480
difficult to to fill and it's just too

607
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,080
much for the ecosystem of retail that

608
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,360
exists today. Same with Sears, and we're

609
00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:50,760
converting it to something that is

610
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,000
mixed-use, walkable, and very productive

611
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,560
from a a retail standpoint and a

612
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,560
commercial use standpoint.

613
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,360
So, your existing anchors, you're

614
00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:01,000
decreasing a ton.

615
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,320
Considering the Cinemark was 781.

616
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,960
That's correct. That That's correct.

617
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,920
Okay.

618
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,240
Yeah, there I think it's 81. Okay.

619
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,680
Like, wait a minute.

620
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,000
Yeah, so this the existing anchors

621
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,960
basically the only thing going away from

622
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,640
an anchor square footage standpoint is

623
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,920
Sears, which no longer is operating

624
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,480
anyway. So.

625
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,960
And where you got Dillard's, is that

626
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,760
actually Target now? That's Well, yeah,

627
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,720
that represents both square footage both

628
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,880
levels of Dillard's. I'm sorry, both

629
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,720
levels of Dillard's, but 130,000 of that

630
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:42,270
is already backfilled with Target.

631
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,120
Any other quick questions about that

632
00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:48,110
one?

633
00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:49,640
So, one thing I want to highlight and

634
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,400
this this came up a couple different

635
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,960
times through various conversations was

636
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,640
it's hard to kind of imagine scale

637
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,840
of of what we're talking about here from

638
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,000
a plaza standpoint. So, we wanted to

639
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,440
show this is 1.7 acres of total space.

640
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,760
So, in a scenario where

641
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,000
you know, we have this flexible

642
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,280
community space that you could shut down

643
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,880
from time to time, do farmers markets,

644
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,920
or any sort of events similar to what

645
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,720
the mall does today. This is a very

646
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,680
substantial space. It's actually

647
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,160
significantly bigger than the lawn space

648
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,680
that's on the Is that north side of

649
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,040
Orem? Uh of University Mall. And so, we

650
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,040
just wanted to kind of show that what

651
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,160
we're we're talking about here is not

652
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,040
just some kind of throwaway. It's a

653
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,240
plaza that sits in the in the you know,

654
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,520
middle of this, but it's not really a

655
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,440
dynamic space for people to to

656
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,960
congregate in. This is a really

657
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,960
substantive space here that can be used

658
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,640
for these kind of events, but also when

659
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,680
they're not Oh, here it is. So, 95,000

660
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,520
versus 70,000 is is the direct

661
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,760
>> backwards, right? That picture.

662
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,960
Which one?

663
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,120
Oh.

664
00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:54,280
No, that one's right. You had a before

665
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,520
and after picture in your slides that

666
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,360
were wrong or backwards. Oh.

667
00:22:58,360 --> 00:22:59,080
But,

668
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,840
sorry. Go ahead.

669
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,080
So, again, that 1.7 on the left and then

670
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,200
it's What is that? An acre and

671
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,160
third or fourth

672
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,480
uh on the right. And

673
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,120
>> Councilor Whipple has a question. Oh,

674
00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:13,600
sure. So,

675
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,040
I I like that it's a larger space, but

676
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,080
it's just

677
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,280
really confusing to me that your main

678
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,640
road of path goes right through that.

679
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,920
So, if you are doing events, people

680
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,960
like you're you're closing off that that

681
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,480
roundabout, but that's the main way to

682
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,600
get up to the north where your parking

683
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,840
is and everything else.

684
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,520
>> To the west. Like what? Oh, sorry, west.

685
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,360
Oh my gosh, thank you, Becky. But

686
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:42,600
You know how that roundabout works?

687
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,040
>> It's just

688
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,800
it's hard for me to make sense of having

689
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,040
the roundabout as like the core of the

690
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,880
plaza. Is it because you feel like you

691
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,880
need to have cars driving by there most

692
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,960
of the rest of the time to drive traffic

693
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:58,280
or

694
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,160
>> Yeah, retail will not be successful in

695
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,440
today's environment unless we bring the

696
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,640
cars into the

697
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,080
>> even like go directly to the parking lot

698
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,880
from that roundabout. Like they're still

699
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,200
going up and around.

700
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,520
>> They want to see it. They want to drive

701
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,480
around and see what's there. They Yeah.

702
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,880
Yep. Okay. Yeah, I mean,

703
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,080
it's an unfortunate reality that

704
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,560
retailers when they when they look at a

705
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,200
site plan, they say, "Where's my

706
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,560
visibility? Where's my access? Where's the proximate parking?" That's

707
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,200
what they look at.

708
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,800
>> to have the visibility of driving by

709
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,520
separate from the access of you can't

710
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,600
just get to the parking lot from that

711
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,520
visible drive.

712
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,360
>> Yes, and for a couple different reasons.

713
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:39,390
Uh

714
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,000
I do think it's silly that we have

715
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,280
amenities in the middle of the

716
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,360
roundabout, though.

717
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:46,960
Oh, retail In the circle. That looks

718
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,160
ridiculous.

719
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,720
Yeah, I agree with you. That's That's

720
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,280
something that's not

721
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,600
That's why it's not really highlighted

722
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,520
in the

723
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,480
That's why it's not That's why it's not

724
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,400
really It's kind of an old design.

725
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,120
But to to answer to answer the question

726
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,960
So I think part of the answer is the way

727
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,320
that the phasing on the multi-family

728
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,640
works.

729
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,120
So the phasing is these top phases over

730
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,080
here are anticipated to be phase one.

731
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,680
And then these phases down here will be

732
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,720
two or two or three, whatever it ends up

733
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,760
being broken out. These middle phases

734
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,600
are anticipated to be the last phase.

735
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,680
And the reason for that is we want to

736
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,400
provide at least from all this parking

737
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,480
remains surface parking until the next

738
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,560
phase of multi-family development comes

739
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,720
along and gets converted. That allows

740
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,080
for a very long time frame for people to

741
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:32,840
uh

742
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,000
one sort of learn what the new routes

743
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,520
are, where the stores are, what their

744
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,040
path travel is, where they should park,

745
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,640
um while they still have all this

746
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,600
you know, unused surface parking that

747
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,080
they can rely on to park here and come

748
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,760
to these stores. Uh the second thing is

749
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,360
um

750
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:52,560
the question was access, why is there

751
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,720
access and then um parking severance,

752
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,040
all right?

753
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,560
Yeah, because that you can't just turn

754
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,880
and get into the parking structure

755
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,960
there.

756
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,120
Right. So there will So there will be

757
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:09,400
parking available in this area for many, years. And people will learn first

758
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,840
of this becomes really prime parking

759
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,840
here. This is all very prime parking

760
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,240
here. This is prime parking here. So

761
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,600
there will remain a lot of parking

762
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,560
options for people and as they continue

763
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,000
to use the the site, they'll continue to

764
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,800
you know, navigate and learn where they

765
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,800
prefer to park.

766
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,640
already prime. Like it's full every

767
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,670
weekend with people here. Yeah.

768
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,880
I I just it it still feels odd to me

769
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,000
that anytime you have an event, you

770
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,520
would be closing down that roundabout

771
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,880
because it really does look like the

772
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,400
main

773
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,400
I'll tell you that that's that's kind of

774
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,920
a um

775
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,840
best practice is frankly for some of the

776
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,600
best retail in the country. Right? Think

777
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,760
of Friendly Center Town Center as one

778
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,800
where we used to have a slide that we

779
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,440
just didn't include today.

780
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,840
It shuts down their main entrance. They

781
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,960
frankly have a lot more

782
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,840
um

783
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,080
artificial congestion cuz they don't

784
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,040
have these alternate you know, paths of

785
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,400
travel that we necessarily have here.

786
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,120
Um Kierland Commons is another one that

787
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,520
does it commonly. They They shut down,

788
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,000
you know, their center area for events

789
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,640
all the time, which is the main kind of

790
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,440
thoroughfare to get people, but they

791
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,880
have an opportunity for people to get

792
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,400
around again, similar to this, a kind of

793
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,560
an alternative route to go around.

794
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,840
Project leads to the various parking

795
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,440
areas. So, I mean, it it works well and I would also say that, you know,

796
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,000
it's not like events are happening

797
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,680
daily or anything of it. We're really

798
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,080
talking about community events that

799
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,520
happen,

800
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,480
you know, on occasion. Yeah. Well, cuz

801
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,320
the Forum one, they have events there at

802
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,280
least once a month

803
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,080
at their their little park. So, that

804
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,640
would be pretty frequent road closures

805
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,280
for you. They don't have to close down

806
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,080
their roads to have events at that

807
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,160
space.

808
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,560
>> honestly, we we looked at their project

809
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,880
on a couple different fronts when we

810
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,480
were evaluating

811
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,440
design options for this. Couple things

812
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,960
I'll say with respect to that. One was

813
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,480
we didn't think we didn't like how they

814
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,560
integrated or didn't really integrate

815
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,480
their multi-family with the commercial.

816
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,920
And we felt like you just had to walk

817
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,000
across parking lots to get to it.

818
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,680
So, we wanted to make sure that this was

819
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,120
much more integrated into the overall

820
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:11,960
project. So, that was one thing.

821
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:12,640
Um

822
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,080
and then the second thing is we didn't

823
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,320
want a empty restaurant syndrome.

824
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,240
So, when you have a big open space like

825
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,520
the one that they have when it's not

826
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,560
being programmed, which Cal and I have

827
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,960
been up there mostly when it's not being

828
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,040
programmed, it looks like, "Well,

829
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,240
why should we go hang out there cuz

830
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,920
there's really nothing going on?"

831
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,360
So, we wanted to make sure that we broke

832
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,040
this down in in from a design standpoint

833
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,240
in in a way that looked active and

834
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,960
vibrant and inviting even when it wasn't

835
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,800
being used for those kinds of events.

836
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,960
I I think you're still I agree with a

837
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,320
lot of what what Rachel's saying. You're

838
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,000
still having

839
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,840
uh the same problem with I mean, it's a

840
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,560
little better, but uh or where you have

841
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,520
all your housing separated by the main

842
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,760
thoroughfare of the entire project.

843
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,880
Like, to me, that just seems very odd

844
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,790
and not not optimal.

845
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,280
Yeah, I mean, it definitely is separate.

846
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,080
I don't know if you have an opinion

847
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,840
about that you want to voice, but um

848
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,480
It's It's like It's like that I'm a

849
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,160
family and I want to go to the mall.

850
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,880
Great. Okay, oh, bummer. Now I have to

851
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,360
cross

852
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,760
a very busy street to get there, and you

853
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,880
know, it's not super safe to let my kids

854
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,960
you know, wander to H&M, which seems

855
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,800
like kind of contrary to the thesis of

856
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,000
like, let's put a bunch of families

857
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,920
right next to the mall so they can use

858
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,160
the mall.

859
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,480
And then the main thoroughfare separates

860
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,960
the two. I mean, my our take on

861
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,680
that access is that it's a it's a very

862
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,240
low-speed It was a You know, it would be

863
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,840
a lot nicer. Which I think it's a very

864
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,600
low-speed access with the roundabout

865
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,680
traffic with the traffic calming in

866
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,160
there. It's very low-speed. It's 10 to

867
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,400
15

868
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:45,880
um, you know, it'll feel more like a small drive versus a thoroughfare. I

869
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,000
mean, the intent is to move cars

870
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,040
through, but not move them through fast.

871
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,120
So, you know, we're We actually feel

872
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,960
like the roundabout and the ability to

873
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,200
multi-use program it gives a lot of

874
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,000
flexibility and a lot of

875
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,960
vibrancy to the area. And and given that

876
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,600
there are multiple points of

877
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,640
um, you know, circulation to go around

878
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,480
uh that are easily navigated, that yeah,

879
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,920
it gives a a strong possibility of having a lot of life. I mean, we're

880
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,200
trying to bring a lot of life to the

881
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,560
area, all right? We don't want We don't want it to be just a

882
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,960
traffic lane. Like, we want to be able

883
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,360
to really make it a an amenity.

884
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,040
And the challenge we were faced with is,

885
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,600
you know, those retail partners I was

886
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,800
mentioning, the anchors that we had to

887
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,600
negotiate with, they would not approve a

888
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,440
project that didn't have, you know, what

889
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,480
they felt like was adequate access in

890
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,200
and through the project cuz you're cuz

891
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,920
we're I mean, the core of what we're

892
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,320
doing from our circulation standpoint is

893
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,720
right now you're forced to go around the

894
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,080
ring right? You're forced to get as far

895
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,800
away from a project as you possibly can

896
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,120
or to navigate and then you come into

897
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,720
the project, decide where to park, get

898
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,960
out of your car, walk,

899
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,560
then do it all over again, right? So,

900
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,240
we're trying to invite them to come in

901
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,520
and through and so when we move from

902
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,640
and moving from here to here with that

903
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,960
vehicle access,

904
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,200
that's critical for these guys to

905
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,600
approve it. And so then we were faced

906
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,560
with the challenge of our Well, how do

907
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,120
we allow cars to come through here in a

908
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,080
way that feels safe, feels inviting, and

909
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,680
still has amenity base around it. And we've looked at many projects around

910
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,720
the country that did it successfully and

911
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,840
we think incorporate a lot of the

912
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,950
lessons learned. So,

913
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,560
Anything else before I move on to some

914
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,640
of the amenity slides?

915
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,400
Okay, so just two levels in the mall.

916
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,080
Now you're going to go over the

917
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:39,390
amenities. Yes. Okay.

918
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,880
So, just your bike access. As I

919
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,240
mentioned, the one thing that we were

920
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,680
concerned about it, we didn't want this

921
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,280
to feel cavernous. We didn't want it to

922
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,440
feel empty when it wasn't being used.

923
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,800
And so we tried to imagine how can we

924
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,360
break this down into a more human scale.

925
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,920
And then a different amenity area, this

926
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,800
one being part of the main one here. The

927
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,640
vision to be more of a larger gathering

928
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,760
area that's right outside that main

929
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,160
entry uh to what we'll call the lobby

930
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,160
for now is kind of at the core of where

931
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,920
this retail nexus

932
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,040
starts.

933
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,200
In addition to that, we wanted to

934
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,400
provide,

935
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,040
you know, a little bit more of a focused

936
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,320
amenity area which is right outside of

937
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,040
here.

938
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,560
This is the escalators I was mentioning

939
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,800
before that go up to uh Cinemark. If you

940
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,160
walk through there, that's the covered

941
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,080
parking that exists today.

942
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Under Cinemark, we want to provide a a

943
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,320
different, more evening-oriented,

944
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,080
probably a little bit more

945
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,160
adult-oriented gathering environment

946
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,720
that played well with the entertainment

947
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,000
component and the food and beverage that

948
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,800
we envision being a large component of

949
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,400
the merchandise mix here. Then,

950
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,760
obviously, we wanted to provide a safe

951
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,840
environment for families that's also

952
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,520
maybe not as mixed in with everything

953
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,240
else this week right on kind of the

954
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,960
opposite area outside of this top bay.

955
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,160
You know, whether it's proper fountains

956
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,400
or um you know, holiday-related

957
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,120
amenities, we see that happening a

958
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,240
little bit more of a an I won't say

959
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,880
isolated, but more of a dedicated family

960
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,040
area where we can create some of those

961
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,200
safety

962
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,320
uh design features and make sure that it

963
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,200
feels like people uh do feel safe to let

964
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,640
their kids come down there and hang out

965
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,160
and and aren't worried about their

966
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,400
safety either from a vehicular

967
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,000
standpoint or or otherwise. So,

968
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,400
uh here's a couple of the things that

969
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,160
we've highlighted that other projects

970
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,600
have done well, whether it's these

971
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,360
hardscape barriers that are also benches

972
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,040
that allow for that hard barrier so that

973
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,240
you create that you know, designed areas

974
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,480
where people can flow, you know, through

975
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,000
this so so the kids aren't just running

976
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,200
out into the street or something like

977
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,480
that. Um obviously, bollards are are

978
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,040
important in that. We've also seen

979
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,760
landscaping used really well. So, we're

980
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,960
trying to incorporate each of those

981
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,480
design elements into the overall plaza

982
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,000
design to maximize the quality of the

983
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,270
design, but also make it feel safe.

984
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,000
And finally, here's here's the same

985
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,960
types of things. Um

986
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,920
I'm blanking on the name of this

987
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,680
project. What's this project? One of

988
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,480
North It's

989
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,080
Is it Layton Riverdale? Or

990
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,480
Station Park and Station

991
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,680
>> Thank you.

992
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,960
Um so, we we stole from them

993
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,960
cuz we thought what they did was really

994
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,160
good.

995
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,480
For some reason, I thought you had done

996
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,679
that project. What malls have you done?

997
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:11,040
Me personally or Brixton Capital?

998
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,200
Brixton.

999
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,080
did uh we're working on Everett

1000
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,960
Mall right now, which is a Topgolf

1001
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,840
anchored project that's turning from a

1002
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,480
con- traditional mall into a likely a

1003
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,840
mixed-use entertainment style.

1004
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,280
Uh right now, uh Trader Joe's is open,

1005
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,600
Ulta's open, Topgolf's announced, but

1006
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,600
that's in process. Is this Everett,

1007
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:29,960
Washington?

1008
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,560
>> Everett Washington, yes.

1009
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,639
Uh and then we did Stockton, California,

1010
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,840
which was a conversion of a mall

1011
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,280
into So, we did um grocery, we did some

1012
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,800
um larger soft goods uh retailers there,

1013
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,520
and then we also added a climate In that

1014
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,600
particular case, we did climate

1015
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,960
controlled storage as a component in the

1016
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,240
back and sort of a non-retail space. So,

1017
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:49,159
those are the ones that Brixmor has

1018
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,120
done. I mean, you go through a bigger

1019
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,360
laundry list of the ones I've personally

1020
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,399
worked on, But, you're with Brixmor now.

1021
00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:57,560
>> That's correct.

1022
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,560
Does those relationships help you in

1023
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,640
future projects? Like your relationship

1024
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,080
with Topgolf, but these relationships,

1025
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,080
you're able to use those and

1026
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:05,960
you find

1027
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,920
>> I mean, obviously it has to meet their

1028
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,800
business need. We obviously talk to each

1029
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,400
of those partners about all all of our

1030
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,000
opportunities as they come along. Um

1031
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,840
But, yeah. I mean, relationships help

1032
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,560
all the time. I mean, Target Target's

1033
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,520
obviously a was a big relationship we

1034
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,080
cultivated over a long time and it ended

1035
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,720
up, you know, culminating. We talked to

1036
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,560
our relationships folks that have done

1037
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,640
other box deals about this, and I

1038
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,160
mentioned I we had talked to a couple of

1039
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,600
those retailers before, and those are

1040
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,120
the type of conversations we're having

1041
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,360
all the time, and

1042
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,080
um

1043
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,520
would love to be in a position to be

1044
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,520
able to

1045
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,480
be far enough along the process that

1046
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,960
they have confidence that the vision

1047
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,440
that we're willing to talk to them about

1048
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,190
is is going to be effectuated.

1049
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,640
So, a couple of detail things here

1050
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,480
before I hand it back over Robert, but

1051
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,360
you know, one thing that is probably not

1052
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,080
quite as obvious is the amount of

1053
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,400
infrastructure that's required to be

1054
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,440
reworked or demolished

1055
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,080
in order to facilitate the vision that

1056
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,960
we're talking about here. So, if you

1057
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,320
look on the right-hand side, the red

1058
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,280
hatch thing, that's today that's all

1059
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,080
parking lot, and it's a bit of a

1060
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,200
spaghetti junction of subgrade

1061
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,480
utilities, whether it's storm water

1062
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,040
or water and all the various, you know,

1063
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,520
subgrade infrastructure that has to be

1064
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,240
reworked in order to make a way for all

1065
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,360
the buildings to eventually um So,

1066
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,200
essentially, what has to happen is this

1067
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,480
trunk lines that are scattered kind of

1068
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,120
all around need to be rerouted through

1069
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,640
this new, I'll call it regular, even

1070
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,320
some of the regular

1071
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,640
So, all that has to be done as part of

1072
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,280
the initial

1073
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,840
uh lift of the project and as you can

1074
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,840
imagine that's that's very expensive. In

1075
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,560
addition to that, we've got this blue

1076
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,240
area here which is the highly monetized

1077
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,000
plaza that we mentioned and then finally

1078
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,240
you've got all the components of the

1079
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:47,920
actual mall itself which to redevelop is fairly extraordinary um

1080
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,720
in most cases and this is no no

1081
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,800
exception.

1082
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,040
So, to help you guys understand the work

1083
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,840
that has been done so far to understand

1084
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,400
these details, we've gone fairly deep at

1085
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,560
a conceptual level I call it maybe even

1086
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,960
design development level

1087
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,320
uh of work here from an architecture

1088
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,480
standpoint and you can see the various

1089
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,400
details, elevations. We've got a whole

1090
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,880
package that we put together to help our

1091
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,720
general contractors give us pricing so

1092
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,320
we understand what these challenges

1093
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,640
actually are

1094
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,600
um on a kind of high level of what what

1095
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,320
it's going to take from an

1096
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,880
infrastructure level and from a project

1097
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,360
level in order to effectively the

1098
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,120
vision. So, I say that just to say

1099
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,240
we're not just coming to you with a

1100
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,120
grandiose idea with no real

1101
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,760
understanding what it's going to take in

1102
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,920
order to build something like this.

1103
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,920
We've done a lot of the homework and

1104
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,360
bring this to you with the confidence

1105
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,000
that we can actually do what we have on

1106
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,120
the page.

1107
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,400
So, with that I'll turn over Robert

1108
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,960
who's going to So, really quick I like

1109
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,160
how you have the covered area in front

1110
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,480
of the stores. What percentage

1111
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,910
of the um storefronts are covered?

1112
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,120
They're all I think they're almost all

1113
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,680
covered. I would say something the only

1114
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:03,950
exception would be

1115
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,200
And these half bays may have just

1116
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,280
minimal coat covering like little

1117
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,200
entrance covers, but

1118
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,920
there's walkways in front of all of

1119
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,280
these

1120
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,400
along this side and then of course these

1121
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,840
retailers will just have their typical

1122
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,040
you know, whoever it is of TJ Maxx or

1123
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:28,150
whatever entry would be difficult.

1124
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,080
All right. I'm just going to take a

1125
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:34,120
minute and walk through HTRZs and um

1126
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,520
and that process. So, several years ago

1127
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,600
the city of Utah created the Housing and

1128
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,440
Transit Reinvestment Zone Act

1129
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,800
legislatively.

1130
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,480
And this act

1131
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,240
allows cities to propose

1132
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:48,080
an HTRZ zone to the state and it has to

1133
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,280
be within a certain radius of either

1134
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,320
heavy rail, FrontRunner,

1135
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,360
light rail, or bus rapid transit. In

1136
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,720
this case, we have a unique situation

1137
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,040
where we're within

1138
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,840
a radius of both FrontRunner and the UVX

1139
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:00,960
line.

1140
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,720
Um and what what the HTRZ does is it

1141
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:05,320
enables a portion of incremental tax

1142
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,760
revenue

1143
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,600
be captured over a period of time to

1144
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,320
support the development and the

1145
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,840
extraordinary development costs.

1146
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,840
Um it does require

1147
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,400
mixed-use housing, at least 15 50

1148
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,640
housing units to the acre, and a minimum

1149
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,720
of 12% affordable. The slide says 10% is

1150
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,760
a typo. 9% affordable at the 80% AMI

1151
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,200
level and 3% affordable at 60% AMI

1152
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,360
level. So, is that

1153
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,560
Go ahead. Is that 50 units

1154
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,280
per 23 acres

1155
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,080
or just for the housing acres? It is the

1156
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,200
housing within the zone. So, whatever

1157
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,160
acreage is is within the zone requires a

1158
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,400
minimum density of 50 units to the acre

1159
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,640
within the zone.

1160
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,440
And about the AMI, is that based on our

1161
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,040
county, state, or city AMI?

1162
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,440
I believe it's county, but we've got Ben

1163
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,120
here for the

1164
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,200
Yeah.

1165
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,920
It's county. That's correct. And it's

1166
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,040
based on reports that are provided by

1167
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,560
the Housing and Urban Development.

1168
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,560
And would you intend to do the

1169
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,440
affordable units

1170
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,440
scattered throughout all the housing or

1171
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,040
all together? So, our proposal right now

1172
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,440
is

1173
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,440
we have a section of the of the project

1174
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,480
which is the very west side which is the

1175
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,480
existing mobile home park that we're

1176
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,200
proposing as town homes and we would

1177
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,360
actually propose them as for sale

1178
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,480
affordable town homes. So they would

1179
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,080
meet those levels

1180
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,160
on a for sale basis.

1181
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,400
And we think that you know helps the city meet you know it's for

1182
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,760
sale

1183
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,040
desires have for sale product

1184
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,080
would be owner occupied

1185
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,600
and affordability.

1186
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,680
And then the balance so that would be a

1187
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,000
big chunk of the requirement would kind

1188
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,640
of come up front

1189
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,440
in that phase and then the balance would

1190
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,880
come over time in the in the rest of the

1191
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,440
project.

1192
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,680
Just scattered throughout then.

1193
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,440
>> But it would proportionally through the project. So there's never a

1194
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,000
time where we would build

1195
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,320
a portion of the project unless we

1196
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,000
proportionally build the affordable

1197
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,320
portion or we've already met it.

1198
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,800
Who manages these affordable units as

1199
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,360
far as

1200
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,640
like

1201
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,880
do you guys have to just keep managing

1202
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,400
it over the years

1203
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,200
qualifying their income and Yeah. Like

1204
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:18,440
that.

1205
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,480
>> So so the for sale

1206
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,040
um

1207
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:22,960
Ben you're going to have to help me on

1208
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,760
some of the specifics around for sale

1209
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,680
but there will be a deed restriction

1210
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,160
right that'll and that'll be

1211
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,760
managed um

1212
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,560
through restrictions on the property and title and lending.

1213
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,960
Um the for rent is a management process

1214
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,120
so the rental management company has to

1215
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,600
make sure that they are meeting the the

1216
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,360
requirements the minimums tracking the

1217
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,680
incomes and and the reporting.

1218
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,800
Do you guys do your own rental

1219
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,920
management or do you use someone? We do

1220
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:57,070
our own rental management yes.

1221
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,920
Um just wrapping up this slide 80% of

1222
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,520
the tax increment

1223
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,920
are eligible

1224
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,040
to be captured over a maximum of 25

1225
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,240
years

1226
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,200
and it does require the city to adopt a

1227
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,640
zoning for the development before

1228
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,520
sending the proposal to the governor's

1229
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,640
office of economic opportunity.

1230
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,190
Um

1231
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,680
We we talked about kind of the steps,

1232
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,240
you know, this is the the governor's

1233
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,440
office. Um they're looking really to

1234
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,040
promote transit, promote affordable

1235
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,840
housing, and redevelopment, uh

1236
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,440
especially within those corridors uh

1237
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,160
where tran- where the state has invested

1238
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,640
significant capital in transit. So,

1239
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,320
um you know, they've they've provided

1240
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,160
this as a tool to help facilitate

1241
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:45,910
uh those processes.

1242
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,440
So, some of the uses uh for HTRZ

1243
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,240
increment, uh income targeted housing

1244
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,880
costs, structured parking, enhanced

1245
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,000
development costs, extra- extraordinary

1246
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,680
development costs, you know, when we

1247
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,280
look at a site like this,

1248
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,880
there are significant, for example,

1249
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,520
utilities that crisscross the site that

1250
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,280
all have to be re-

1251
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,480
uh realigned and and put into the new

1252
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,960
roadway alignments.

1253
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,640
Um and those are those are ex-

1254
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,360
extraordinary costs.

1255
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,400
Uh horizontal costs, vertical costs,

1256
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,560
land purchase costs, um cost of bonds,

1257
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,600
and administration of the HTRZ are all

1258
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,160
eligible costs that can be paid uh by

1259
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,040
the HTRZ.

1260
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,760
And you know, the purpose of this is

1261
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,640
ultimately to build value.

1262
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,360
Um

1263
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,160
when we look at the any tax increment

1264
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,880
financing tool, HTRZ included, uh we

1265
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,320
look at a base asset value, which is the blue here.

1266
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,120
And you know, assuming that it's it's in

1267
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,440
a situation where it's not going to

1268
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,960
increase on its own, it needs a it needs

1269
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,480
a little shot in the arm,

1270
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,400
uh this is what the HTRZ can help do.

1271
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,840
And so, it it allows to increase uh

1272
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,800
asset values over time,

1273
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:57,960
and at the end of that time period,

1274
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,000
there's a there's a new basis uh that

1275
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,200
becomes taxable. And the increment,

1276
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,600
which is the the area in green,

1277
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,760
is what's uh captured and available for

1278
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,880
in development costs.

1279
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,680
>> Councilor Whipple has a question.

1280
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,920
it's so

1281
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,960
the problem with these projections of

1282
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,080
the the increased revenue and everything

1283
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,000
from the project

1284
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,040
are actually the existing pro pro tabs

1285
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,240
at the mall.

1286
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,320
Right? Because it wasn't all that long

1287
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,320
ago, was it? 25 26 years ago. And the

1288
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,320
first chart that you gave us was showing

1289
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,280
the revenue just plummeting.

1290
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,920
From today, but it was, you know, it it

1291
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,400
did reach a high in 2007.

1292
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,640
Right, but that still would have been

1293
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,960
during the time that we'd only be

1294
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,280
getting incremental amounts. Now that thing is fully developed and

1295
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,680
everything, it's an albatross.

1296
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:52,480
Yeah.

1297
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,160
I guess what I would say to that is

1298
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,400
market conditions shift.

1299
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,840
And um you know, we are we we are

1300
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,040
reacting Brixton is reacting to the

1301
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,320
market, right? And and looking at what

1302
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,120
is today

1303
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,200
and what could it be in the future.

1304
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,440
Right? And and I don't know that we're

1305
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,240
asking, you know, in this in this

1306
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,680
scenario

1307
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:14,880
um

1308
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,560
the city's not taking any risk.

1309
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,880
Right?

1310
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,840
If we don't do anything,

1311
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,720
then we're in the blue box here

1312
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,200
for the next

1313
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,840
25 years. Unless something changes.

1314
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,240
Maybe maybe something economically

1315
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:29,440
changes

1316
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,680
and suddenly it becomes financially

1317
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,640
feasible for us to come in and redevelop

1318
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,960
without any tax increment. But

1319
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,120
maybe not, right? And and we don't

1320
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,440
foresee that

1321
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,320
happening. Um so, you know, a tax

1322
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,960
increment financing tool is necessary if

1323
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,640
we're going to turn the trajectory

1324
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,000
of mall. And this has happened in in

1325
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,720
Utah. We take Orem as an example.

1326
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,560
Um

1327
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,390
And Orem's the best example, though. So,

1328
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,920
the University Mall, uh like all malls,

1329
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,680
uh found itself in a similar situation

1330
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,400
here a few years ago

1331
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,440
with declining revenue, declining sales,

1332
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,600
declining property tax values.

1333
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,600
Um,

1334
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,240
and the owners of that mall,

1335
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:13,840
uh,

1336
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,040
worked with the city of Orem to

1337
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,710
implement a CDA.

1338
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:21,800
Right, it was a uh,

1339
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,880
a fairly extensive CDA that included

1340
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,600
additional, uh, square footage for

1341
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,040
office, hotel,

1342
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,760
uh, retail,

1343
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,840
and multi-family units, uh, and it over

1344
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:39,830
a 10-year period.

1345
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,360
The Theirs was a 10-year period as

1346
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:42,920
opposed to 25?

1347
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,800
>> the build out was a 10-year Okay, what

1348
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,000
was their period on there?

1349
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,350
30 years.

1350
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,880
Make sure I got that right here. 20

1351
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,320
years, sorry.

1352
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,800
I'm going to slide this kind of cut off

1353
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:57,960
here.

1354
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,360
Um,

1355
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,640
and this was their projection of the the

1356
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,520
tax increment increase over time.

1357
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,000
Now, what they were able to accomplish

1358
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,640
there, I think you're all familiar with

1359
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,520
the additional shops, restaurants,

1360
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,440
office space, uh,

1361
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,320
the hotel and and uh, multi-family was

1362
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,440
added there.

1363
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,920
You know, obviously Provo Towne Centre

1364
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,520
is a different mall.

1365
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,080
So,

1366
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,200
I don't think office is a a use that we

1367
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,440
would propose because we don't think

1368
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,400
it's commercially viable, but

1369
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,360
you know, in at that location they were

1370
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,640
able to do that and uh, you know, the proof is really in the pudding and

1371
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,040
this is fairly small text,

1372
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,080
but the 2013 base value

1373
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,920
uh, was $129 million.

1374
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,080
The 2025 assessed value was uh,

1375
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,480
over $500 million. So, a four and a half

1376
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,960
fold increase over the time period. Um,

1377
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,440
and the investment

1378
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,080
paid off. What year did Orem start

1379
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,040
theirs?

1380
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,480
Their their tax increment financing

1381
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,590
part. 2018

1382
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,240
It was actually settled on

1383
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,080
one

1384
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,520
year before us. So, they're still not

1385
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,520
seeing any of this benefit.

1386
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,800
Uh

1387
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Not not till 2038. Not till 2038.

1388
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,440
But

1389
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,440
There's their school district.

1390
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,320
What uh Split up. What is the your

1391
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,720
estimated total of the um

1392
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,080
gap or the tax increment that you

1393
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,640
expect?

1394
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,360
Yeah, so Justin, do you want to Yeah, so

1395
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,200
the what we've requested is a bondable

1396
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,280
amount at around $20 million. And then

1397
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,360
the gap itself, if you really

1398
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,000
take it out, it's probably closer to 80,

1399
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,920
but

1400
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,600
based on our financing projections, we see the gap in the bondable amount of

1401
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,280
about $20 million.

1402
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,760
That's what we're requesting.

1403
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,200
So, 25 years or 20 million.

1404
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,520
Bondable amount, so that doesn't

1405
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,200
necessarily Oh. It is people being like,

1406
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,480
"Hey, cuz there's

1407
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,360
those payments are going to a bond

1408
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,160
holder of that type." So, what we're

1409
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,760
looking for is an upfront bondable

1410
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,800
amount to offset

1411
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,600
infrastructure costs of approximately 20

1412
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:21,070
million.

1413
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,600
So, where we are

1414
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,080
today, we have been to the planning

1415
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,840
commission with four requests.

1416
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,560
And those will be coming to you

1417
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,520
for your consideration. And we wanted to

1418
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:33,920
just touch on the request that we made

1419
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,000
at planning commission, some of the

1420
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,880
feedback that we heard, and and what we

1421
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,560
think our request and the need is when

1422
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,560
we come before you

1423
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,800
as city council.

1424
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,640
So, first um

1425
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,720
as I mentioned in the in the slide deck

1426
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,720
here, the application for the HRZ

1427
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:53,560
actually comes from the city and the

1428
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,000
zoning needs to be in place. So, we are

1429
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,640
in the process of requesting a re-zoning

1430
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,840
of this property to accommodate this

1431
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,320
project. And that step involves um

1432
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,400
uh what we've requested is an ITOD zone,

1433
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,080
amending the general plan to accommodate

1434
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,360
the ITOD zone, and a text amendment to

1435
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,080
the ITOD zone.

1436
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,200
One of the challenges that we faced is

1437
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,520
finding a zone within the Provo City

1438
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,680
ordinances that accommodates something

1439
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,160
like this.

1440
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,600
And so, the ITOD zone is the most

1441
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,360
um favorable. It's the the closest thing

1442
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,320
that that can accommodate something like

1443
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,240
this,

1444
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,080
but it needs a few tweaks.

1445
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,960
Um one of the requests that we made was

1446
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,840
that uh

1447
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,040
some tweaks be made to it that would

1448
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,560
allow us to build town homes that are

1449
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,440
for sale.

1450
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,320
And some of the feedback that we heard

1451
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,440
from Planning Commission was, "Well, we

1452
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,640
don't think town homes are an

1453
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,360
appropriate use in an ITOD zone. It

1454
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,000
should be more dense."

1455
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,160
And I just want to point out that um

1456
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,800
the project on University Parkway,

1457
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,280
River's Edge, uh built town homes within

1458
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,360
an ITOD zone 4 years ago.

1459
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,360
But they're there for rent.

1460
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,080
And and within the text of the zoning,

1461
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,960
you can actually build them for rent

1462
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,360
because of the lot standards.

1463
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,600
But you can't sell them individually

1464
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,760
because the lot sizes get too small. So,

1465
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,520
the requests that we made were to

1466
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,720
accommodate facilitate that use.

1467
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,480
Planning Commission recommended not

1468
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,240
approving that. They didn't feel like

1469
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:23,520
town homes were an appropriate use

1470
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,720
within the ITOD zone.

1471
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:27,680
But again, I I come back to

1472
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,160
we're following precedent here that town

1473
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,720
homes have been approved uh in an ITOD

1474
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:34,960
zone, but not for sale. So, you know,

1475
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,840
that's that's uh something that we need

1476
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,640
to consider.

1477
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,200
The other text amendment request that we

1478
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,760
had made was regarding setback

1479
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,800
requirements adjacent to uh residential

1480
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,120
zones.

1481
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,800
And uh the request that we made was that

1482
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,440
building heights be allowed for every

1483
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,240
foot horizontally

1484
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:54,320
um

1485
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,360
that you could go up 2 ft.

1486
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,800
Um and planning commission felt like

1487
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:58,960
that was

1488
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,800
uh too steep and they preferred the transition language that

1489
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,120
is in the ITOD zone.

1490
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,720
However, the the language that is in the

1491
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,400
ITOD zone currently requires within the

1492
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,600
first 100 ft of any residential zone,

1493
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,680
you can only be three stories high with

1494
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,600
a gable roof.

1495
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,840
Well, if we come back to

1496
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:19,960
Let me bring you back to the site plan

1497
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,510
here.

1498
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:34,270
Get to that one.

1499
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,870
I think I can get a better one here.

1500
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,920
Okay.

1501
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,120
So,

1502
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,880
we have residential zone

1503
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:50,560
here, here, here, here, and here.

1504
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,360
And uh those those residential zones

1505
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,720
primarily house uh duplex uh units and

1506
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:00,360
um multiplex units.

1507
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,720
Uh and we just want to point out that if

1508
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,200
we if we have a 100 ft setback limited

1509
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,480
to three stories in height

1510
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,720
that it dramatically reduces the density

1511
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:12,240
that we can fit on this project.

1512
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,480
And uh by about call it 250 to 300

1513
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,560
units. So, it's about a quarter of the

1514
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,800
units.

1515
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,520
Um and and one of the challenges is that

1516
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,520
it affects the way that the parking lays

1517
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,960
out. And and so,

1518
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:26,600
um

1519
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,080
we think there's room to work around

1520
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,640
this the setback from residential

1521
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,720
uh properties. Um you know, we had

1522
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,280
proposed 2 ft of vertical for every foot

1523
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,080
of horizontal. I think we could probably

1524
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,200
you know, come to a a 1 ft to 1 ft. So,

1525
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,440
every foot of horizontal to 1-ft of

1526
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,920
vertical, that that increases that set

1527
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,040
by set back by about double from what we

1528
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,560
had proposed in the in the tent.

1529
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,840
But that's those are two very critical

1530
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,080
issues for us on the rezone.

1531
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:56,840
Uh

1532
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,440
that make this project viable or

1533
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,600
unviable.

1534
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,520
And so we need to make sure that we get

1535
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,360
really clear on those.

1536
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,000
So what exactly is behind you? Is there

1537
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,160
a church with the Yeah, there's a

1538
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,760
church. With the church So we have a

1539
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,280
church here,

1540
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,120
This is

1541
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,160
open space that the church owns.

1542
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:23,790
And then we have a duplex, duplex,

1543
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,480
couple of duplexes in here and then two

1544
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,000
here.

1545
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,120
Those are all duplexes. Are they owned

1546
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,320
or rented?

1547
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,430
Uh I couldn't say.

1548
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,480
They're all HOA.

1549
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,520
They're all HOAs. I'm pretty sure.

1550
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,280
Sorry, what? What I didn't hear. I think

1551
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,440
they're pretty much HOAs.

1552
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,880
Daniel lives in

1553
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,720
the one around

1554
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:50,560
Yeah, Daniel lives in.

1555
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,560
Yes, it's all HOA. It's actually a

1556
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,640
really nice HOA. Like they do a good

1557
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,320
job.

1558
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,200
Okay, we can drive around there.

1559
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,360
For just for context, um Oh, it's what

1560
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,000
you drive through before you get to

1561
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,160
Yeah,

1562
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,480
they maintain it well. Yeah. This this

1563
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,080
building that slopes is right here

1564
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,920
to any residents here is

1565
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:11,680
Um

1566
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,000
and I guess this one as well. They're

1567
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,480
both 50 ft. There was a street between

1568
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,440
you and the residential? There is a

1569
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,720
there's a driveway, yes.

1570
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:23,200
But there's no street going down there.

1571
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,160
Like you'd be onto their property line.

1572
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,200
Like your property lines touch.

1573
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,480
Yes. Yeah. So the property line from our property line

1574
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,750
we're back 50 ft.

1575
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,320
Can I ask a question?

1576
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,000
Did you explore concept plans that use

1577
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,920
some of those townhomes as a buffer so

1578
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,400
that you don't have to amend the TDR

1579
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,080
zone?

1580
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,200
So,

1581
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,520
I Yes. Again,

1582
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,280
100 ft is a long ways,

1583
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,600
and it just reduces the density

1584
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,760
dramatically.

1585
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,800
So,

1586
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:57,480
um,

1587
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,600
you know,

1588
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,120
In this In this area, we we do have some

1589
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,760
townhomes that could could potentially

1590
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,280
buffer there. We don't have a big issue

1591
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,720
here because the property line steps

1592
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:07,920
back, right? We just have more room to

1593
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,040
work.

1594
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,720
This side, um,

1595
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:12,160
you know, we have one little corner here

1596
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,200
that gets close, but it's not even It's

1597
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,840
not within 70 ft or so, you know, it's fairly

1598
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,480
removed. But then we're kind of pinned

1599
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,440
on this south side by the mall as it

1600
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,400
exists, and so,

1601
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,120
um, you know, what we're talking about

1602
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,240
here is,

1603
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:29,430
you know,

1604
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,520
really It's really just density, you

1605
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,200
know, and and

1606
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,440
building a dense

1607
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,160
urban project,

1608
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,680
right? On a redeveloping mall,

1609
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,440
and how do we how do we fit that in?

1610
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,040
Like I say, I think we can adjust that

1611
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,000
the ratio

1612
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,120
to a one-to-one, which is a 45° angle,

1613
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,640
and and be a minimum of 50 ft from the

1614
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,040
property line.

1615
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,160
What What are you meaning by that? You

1616
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,880
mean having it go

1617
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,560
What I'm What I'm suggesting is, you

1618
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,760
know, we're 50 ft from the property line on

1619
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,080
this side, and this is as close as we

1620
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,480
get.

1621
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,720
And we're 50 ft tall. We go 50, 50 ft

1622
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,320
up. So, for every 50 ft horizontally, we

1623
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,120
go up 50 ft, and that results in a 45°

1624
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,800
angle from the ground to the top of the roof.

1625
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:20,760
>> Got you.

1626
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,960
Um, one just thing to high just a

1627
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,240
reminder to highlight is not only is it

1628
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,800
present feasibility issues to lose that

1629
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:28,920
many units, but we also have the

1630
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,120
requirement on the H 2 RZ side to have

1631
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,760
enough density to meet that 50 units per

1632
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,760
acre. So, we have to have density to

1633
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,600
make meet the requirements of the HRZ.

1634
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,160
So, it's a little bit of a

1635
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:45,470
double whammy with that setback. So.

1636
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,120
could you put

1637
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,920
some of the town homes here and maybe

1638
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,400
move this building over there? That's

1639
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,040
what I was kind of

1640
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,200
Well, you can see the building. I mean

1641
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,680
there's probably a lot of

1642
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,640
sliding around that we can do and and

1643
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:02,720
you know, we're more than happy to look

1644
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,600
at it. But it it will reduce the density

1645
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,480
available on the site without somehow

1646
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,360
finding a way to I think I'd be more

1647
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,200
comfortable with you trying to finagle

1648
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,480
it and maybe some of those town homes.

1649
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,360
are out on an island

1650
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,720
and that's your 80% AMI and your 60%

1651
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,440
AMI. They're the ones that are going to

1652
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,200
need to be closer to transit in my

1653
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,080
opinion than your

1654
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,760
for-rent

1655
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,200
at market rate apartments. So, you kind

1656
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,320
of discriminated against them,

1657
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,800
kind of pushed them out instead of

1658
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:33,920
putting them closer to the

1659
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,560
transportation hubs. I'd like to see

1660
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,200
more of that

1661
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,120
integrated into your project

1662
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,240
and how do you kind of tweak it so that

1663
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,040
we can see more of that?

1664
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,800
Is there a distance? I mean, right now it says 100 ft, which is

1665
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,360
you know,

1666
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,240
a quarter to a third of the site, you

1667
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,600
know, in depth. I mean, is there is

1668
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,560
there a is there a some feedback on

1669
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,960
Well, I I would be

1670
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,200
I'd be okay being creative about the

1671
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,880
setback.

1672
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,480
Um my biggest heartburn about this is

1673
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,280
home ownership.

1674
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,360
We we made that very clear from the

1675
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,560
beginning.

1676
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,000
An 87 out of what is 340?

1677
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,960
It does not That's a nod to home

1678
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,240
ownership.

1679
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,160
What we don't need in this part of Provo

1680
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,760
is a bunch of more apartments. What we

1681
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,440
need is more home ownership.

1682
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,200
And so, I feel strongly

1683
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,960
I like what I'm seeing. I want this

1684
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,360
project to happen and you're going to

1685
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,040
tell me it doesn't pencil out.

1686
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,400
And I wish

1687
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,760
I hear that.

1688
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,520
I'm just saying we've got to figure out

1689
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,640
a way to be more creative

1690
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,760
because the kind of split of 1300 and

1691
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,560
then 87

1692
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,040
I understand if it's one big building,

1693
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,040
it's hard to split up one big building,

1694
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,360
but we've got separate buildings. You

1695
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,400
could take a couple of those those

1696
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,000
bigger buildings and make those condos

1697
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,680
or something like that.

1698
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,600
I feel very strongly

1699
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,160
about more home ownership and to me 87

1700
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,680
doesn't even come close. We've talked

1701
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,320
other projects about 50/50. Now, I

1702
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,640
realize not everyone on the council may

1703
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,520
see that the same,

1704
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:13,880
but I do.

1705
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,720
I I feel strongly that we need to be creative about figuring

1706
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,360
that out. Now, if that comes to setbacks

1707
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,320
and all this stuff, I'd I'd be willing

1708
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,000
to be creative.

1709
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,240
Um

1710
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,360
I would just I would say that the home

1711
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,400
ownership in my mind doesn't even come

1712
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,800
close.

1713
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,200
So,

1714
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,160
not that this that may matter to you, I

1715
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,520
don't know.

1716
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,280
Um

1717
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,040
condo developers typically plan on

1718
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,480
selling two to three units a month.

1719
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,200
That's about the absorption rate in a in

1720
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,080
a development project.

1721
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,840
And they can they can plan about a year

1722
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:56,640
to absorb. So, they can build 24 to 36

1723
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,240
units in a building

1724
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,680
and absorb those over a year and they

1725
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,200
can manage the carry cost

1726
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,480
of of doing that.

1727
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,640
Well, any one of these buildings is, you

1728
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,640
know,

1729
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:12,720
approaching 200 units. Multifamily we absorb on lease up

1730
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,520
15 to 20 units a month.

1731
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,160
And we can absorb in in 12 to 15 months

1732
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,000
is tip our typical absorption period.

1733
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,560
I know

1734
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,000
it may not matter to you guys, but from

1735
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,200
a financial standpoint, those are real

1736
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,720
challenges Yeah. that we have to face.

1737
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,080
Yeah. And so, you know, if we can only

1738
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,000
absorb, you know, sell

1739
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,560
two to three units a month, then how how

1740
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,280
fast how long would it take us to sell

1741
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,590
600 units?

1742
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,400
Right? Those are the challenges that we

1743
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,080
face, that we're trying to overcome.

1744
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:48,480
Um

1745
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,240
and and it's why, frankly, we don't see

1746
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,640
condo projects being built at the same

1747
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,520
rate we see apartment units being built.

1748
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,480
There's also a shift in the marketplace

1749
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:58,480
of

1750
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,800
uh renters by choice

1751
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,840
who can rent and and it's especially

1752
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,560
true today. It's not always been true

1753
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,400
and it will shift back. But today

1754
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,240
what you rent for and what you what you

1755
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,240
pay in in terms of a mortgage, there's

1756
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,960
so much disparity between the two that

1757
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:15,840
people are choosing to rent.

1758
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,560
Right? Even if they can afford to buy.

1759
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,920
They choose to rent because it's it's a

1760
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,000
better financial choice for

1761
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,320
And it's been happening for several

1762
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,640
years and we foresee it happening for

1763
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,440
the next several years. So, if we're

1764
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,560
trying to plan housing

1765
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,680
um and housing availability

1766
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:32,360
like

1767
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,600
policy-wise, we can put a stake in the

1768
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,360
ground and say

1769
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,400
this is the way it's going to be, but

1770
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,560
the market may not respond.

1771
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:39,960
Yeah. But at the same time, you're

1772
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,240
asking us to be lenient

1773
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:43,720
for something that's not necessarily in

1774
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,400
our goals, right?

1775
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,640
So, I think there needs to be more more

1776
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,360
give and take from the other end.

1777
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,320
And you're asking a lot from us. Yeah,

1778
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,800
and I and I would say I do care that

1779
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,360
this is successful. I I do care about

1780
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,120
the finances.

1781
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,560
And I also believe that there's got to

1782
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,760
be some way to figure this out.

1783
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,280
Um

1784
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,000
we've worked as we look at this project,

1785
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,320
again, I I just can't imagine moving

1786
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,440
forward with that kind of

1787
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,000
that number of apartments and that kind

1788
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,560
of home ownership.

1789
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,760
It just on that

1790
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,840
I personally think I would say,

1791
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,760
"Well, then we we should wait." Agreed.

1792
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,040
>> It just just me personal.

1793
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,000
Um and I really want this to happen. I

1794
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,960
love what you put together. I like what

1795
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,040
you're doing and I want you to be

1796
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,280
successful and I want the city to be

1797
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,920
successful, too, and I feel very

1798
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,200
strongly

1799
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,920
that we've got to be more creative in

1800
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,910
figuring out a way to to do that.

1801
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,640
We know the market is there. We have so

1802
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,520
many young singles that want to own and

1803
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,000
they want small. They want They want

1804
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,120
apartment owning. You had some of that

1805
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:48,280
in your comments on the planning

1806
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:49,840
commission.

1807
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:54,760
I believe the market is there to do that.

1808
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,880
Like I would Yeah.

1809
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,200
At least one of those buildings

1810
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:01,840
for sale.

1811
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,480
Um Is it okay if I go?

1812
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:04,000
>> Yeah.

1813
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,040
So, I have a couple kind of related

1814
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,480
questions around housing. What is your

1815
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,000
current plan with the manufactured

1816
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,920
housing that would be displaced for our

1817
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,240
these townhomes?

1818
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,600
I'll do it to you back. I'll call

1819
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,080
Justin. Sure. Uh yeah, so the plan

1820
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,400
currently is that there's a little

1821
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,400
somewhere between 30 and 35 at the

1822
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,560
moment that we anticipate, if it

1823
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,160
happened today, they would be impacted.

1824
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,160
But obviously, this is not happening

1825
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,280
today. So, one of the things we've

1826
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,040
offered is to provide at least 18 months

1827
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,920
worth of notice to anybody, you know,

1828
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,600
from the time we would actually need to

1829
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:36,920
vacate. So, we want to give them plenty

1830
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,240
of time. And then during that 18-month

1831
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,680
period, we really want to work with each

1832
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,560
of them individually to figure out what

1833
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,400
the right solution is for them because

1834
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,120
the the range of of desires and

1835
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,720
potential outcomes varies widely. Some

1836
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,880
of those old homes are very old and may

1837
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,800
not feel they can be moved. Some of them

1838
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,560
can maybe easily be moved. And we don't

1839
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,200
necessarily know what their, you know,

1840
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,640
housing goals are, either. So, we want

1841
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,440
to take that time in order to kind of

1842
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,320
individually work with each of them to

1843
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:05,520
figure out what the right solution is

1844
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,480
and there are varieties of different

1845
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,080
things that they could do, but we didn't

1846
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,040
have had those conversations yet and we

1847
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,320
want to make sure that there's plenty of

1848
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,040
time in this process to have those

1849
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:15,680
conversations. So, like I said, we've

1850
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:16,680
committed to,

1851
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,960
you know, minimum 18 months. It could be

1852
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,480
potentially longer than that, but 18

1853
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,040
months of of notice for that.

1854
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,600
>> Is there Is there willingness for more

1855
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,560
substantial commitments? Like to help

1856
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,000
them relocate. I think these are some of

1857
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,920
the most vulnerable members of our

1858
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,200
community.

1859
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,080
Again, I'm with Craig. I want I want to

1860
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,880
find a way to make this happen, but I

1861
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,360
think each of us have sort of our red

1862
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,680
lines. Like this to me is a red line.

1863
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,160
Like we're not going to displace these

1864
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:40,720
people and not help them relocate and me

1865
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,280
vote for this. So,

1866
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,120
18 months is nice to get a head start,

1867
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,960
but you know, I talked to one woman who

1868
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,560
just, you know,

1869
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,080
saved up all her money, put a mortgage

1870
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,160
on this on a on one of the homes, and

1871
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,240
now it's like for her to find the money

1872
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:54,680
to relocate this in a place that works

1873
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:55,960
for her life is like just

1874
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,000
catastrophically,

1875
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,280
you know, impactful to her personal

1876
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,480
financial situation. So, I recognize you

1877
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,440
have constraints, but like

1878
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,200
the idea here is to find a win-win for

1879
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,600
our community, but also for you all. And

1880
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:07,560
so, that's just something I want to be

1881
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,520
clear about. Yeah, understood. And I'll

1882
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,880
just from an operational standpoint,

1883
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,040
uh we don't allow folks to move in. So,

1884
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,360
meaning

1885
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,680
nobody can just come in and legally just

1886
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,680
buy a mobile home park mobile home from

1887
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,880
somebody else. Because one, we want to

1888
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,000
know who's in there, and two, we want to

1889
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,920
make them aware of

1890
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,920
this scenario. So, if somebody comes in

1891
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,880
to says, "Hey, we want to acquire this

1892
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,560
home over here." We say, "Well,

1893
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,000
okay, here's

1894
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,440
probably can't do that and here's why."

1895
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,040
So, we we try as best we can to avoid

1896
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:40,600
those situations, but making sure that

1897
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,800
there's transparency with us so they can

1898
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,960
be made aware of you know, situations.

1899
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,440
We do not allow on our end for new folks

1900
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,240
to move in for all the reasons we just

1901
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:50,560
talked about.

1902
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:51,560
>> And haven't you been doing that for a

1903
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,040
while? What What's the last time that

1904
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,760
you took in a new

1905
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,120
I don't know exactly, but it's at least

1906
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,520
been a year, probably a couple of years

1907
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,120
that we've had that policy at least. I I

1908
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,600
didn't realize that people purchase. So,

1909
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,240
do they rent the the spot from you, the

1910
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,760
land, and then they provide the home.

1911
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,200
They would buy the house. I thought you

1912
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,000
owned both. Uh it's some mobile parks do

1913
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,720
operate that way. In our case, the the

1914
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:15,640
individual owns the home.

1915
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,400
>> It's their It's their home. Theirs. They

1916
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,440
go and then they lease the land on the

1917
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,040
lot. Correct.

1918
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:22,040
I didn't know that. And then I have

1919
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:23,040
another question. What

1920
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,680
>> Can Can I just add There There are

1921
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,480
challenges around mobile home parks

1922
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,520
because there are age restrictions on

1923
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,640
moving mobile homes. Sometimes they they

1924
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,640
age out or they get they get degraded

1925
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,080
enough that they can't be moved. So, the

1926
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,800
question becomes, well, whose job is to

1927
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,520
maintain the mobile home if it can't be

1928
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,320
moved? Whose job is that? Is that the

1929
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:42,520
land owner's or is that the home

1930
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:43,920
owner's?

1931
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,560
And And those are questions that we, you

1932
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,800
know, they're sticky.

1933
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,000
But we don't believe the land owner's

1934
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,960
responsible to maintain individuals'

1935
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,960
mobile homes.

1936
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,520
Don't get me wrong. You'll You'll You'll

1937
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:55,800
hear no argument from me about the

1938
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,720
problematic nature of mobile homes as a model, but nonetheless, they're

1939
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,360
still residents for our community. Um

1940
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,840
okay, so my other question is um are

1941
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,360
there any additional asks you all plan

1942
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,800
for this project that are not currently

1943
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,960
on the table? Like additional PIPS from

1944
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,040
like a a performance perspective on tax

1945
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,360
sales tax.

1946
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,240
Yeah, we've requested a sales tax uh

1947
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,560
share on it. It's not technically part

1948
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,799
of the EAZ. And we've requested a a

1949
01:08:21,799 --> 01:08:23,319
PID, right?

1950
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:25,000
A PID, but not in order to put

1951
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,319
additional increment on, but basically

1952
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:27,720
just to take the revenues that are

1953
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,160
proposed to come in and use that as the

1954
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:31,600
bonding mechanism. So, it's not an

1955
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:32,880
additional

1956
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,040
uh monetary request. It's just a

1957
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,080
structural But that's That's the vehicle

1958
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:37,759
for the bonding.

1959
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:40,160
>> That's right. I know.

1960
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:41,960
So, What's And And And I would Was there

1961
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,839
anything I forgot? I don't think so. And

1962
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:45,279
to be clear, just to make sure everyone

1963
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,400
understands, a PID does not obligate the

1964
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,400
city necessarily. I mean, there are ways that a city can

1965
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,520
participate, but right as of right now,

1966
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,640
I don't think we're asking that the city

1967
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,960
necessarily guarantee guarantee the

1968
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:03,799
>> is to get back a portion of the revenues that we generate either

1969
01:09:03,799 --> 01:09:05,960
sales tax or property tax over a

1970
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,160
baseline

1971
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:08,880
and be able to monetize that to help pay

1972
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,560
for the project. Yeah. So we're not

1973
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,279
asking for any of the existing tax base.

1974
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:13,920
We're asking for a portion of the income

1975
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,560
angle. Yeah. And how much of that

1976
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,759
exactly are you asking for? Uh it shares

1977
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:19,080
the

1978
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,560
it's 80% and we requested right now our

1979
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,480
modeling shows 50% of the sales tax

1980
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:25,359
share that half a percent.

1981
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:26,560
Which is a half a percent? Half a

1982
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,470
percent, Yeah. which is two years.

1983
01:09:31,480 --> 01:09:34,799
It Going back to some of the home issue,

1984
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:37,680
um like right now there is one of those

1985
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,240
trailers listed for sale

1986
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,240
on Zillow. Like somebody's trying to

1987
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,839
actively sell one of these homes in your

1988
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:47,400
park.

1989
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:48,560
I would.

1990
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,600
Yeah, I had flagged it and and sent it

1991
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,080
to the building services a few months

1992
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,279
ago when I first saw it. It's been up

1993
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:54,840
there since October, so they're not

1994
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,200
moving it.

1995
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,440
But I don't know if that could be bought

1996
01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:00,600
to move. I don't know. Sure. Yeah, the

1997
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,200
listing it just did say that the that it

1998
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,360
must be moved. Yeah. Yeah. We have had

1999
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,400
those come in that want to purchase

2000
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,680
Cedar Bay and sell the trailer and then

2001
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,040
move it to another site, land, mobile

2002
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,320
home park, whatever it is.

2003
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,160
So we will generally allow that. Okay.

2004
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:17,680
They are allowed to move out obviously

2005
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,760
to eventually vacate.

2006
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,160
So

2007
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,320
and I I talked to some of you there

2008
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:25,640
before.

2009
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,080
You said that there are 30 to 35 units

2010
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,920
affected. I know that you know, some

2011
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:35,280
people have moved out, have left their properties.

2012
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,320
Um so how many of those homes have

2013
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,440
already been vacated?

2014
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:42,640
And do you have any more that are in the

2015
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,840
process of being vacated?

2016
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,320
I mean I think there's always usually a

2017
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,400
couple that are in process of you know,

2018
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,680
legal

2019
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,760
for whatever Right, for for not

2020
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,040
complying with regulations or things

2021
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:57,640
like that. And there's very very few

2022
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,760
that we force trailer violations on us

2023
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,680
>> Usually it's ancient reasons.

2024
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:02,640
Um

2025
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,520
But that 30 to 35 includes folks that

2026
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,960
have already moved out. That's not

2027
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,520
necessarily mobile home

2028
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,520
trailers or mobile home

2029
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,760
units that are sitting there cuz they're into the middle of process of

2030
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,880
either removing or demolishing any

2031
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,280
right in the shape or form of it, so.

2032
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:24,480
Yeah, I The reason I ask about that is

2033
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:25,920
um

2034
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,480
I don't know exactly how many households

2035
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:31,440
are potentially affected by this right

2036
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:33,120
now because I know some of them are

2037
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,760
already in the process of leaving before

2038
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,400
we do any of this. Okay. Um and I'm

2039
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:40,960
honestly surprised that you don't have

2040
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,200
more specific numbers for us on that

2041
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,040
where you can't say, "All right, there

2042
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,640
are still 30 units that are in full

2043
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,120
compliance. We've got three that are

2044
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,480
in in violation and so we expect that

2045
01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:53,320
they'll be gone before we even consider

2046
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,680
moving forward with that."

2047
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,320
>> Or I can tell you all the five are in

2048
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,440
some level of non-compliance.

2049
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:01,680
They're operationally or financially.

2050
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,560
So

2051
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,120
How many How many of those do you feel

2052
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,000
see what I'm saying? Moving out is kind

2053
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,240
of it's a loaded question. I can't

2054
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:11,760
exactly answer your

2055
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,320
Right.

2056
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,040
>> question. But if there only five

2057
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,840
households there

2058
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,880
that are in full compliance with the the

2059
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,640
restrictions and covenants of living in

2060
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,440
the mobile home park

2061
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:25,120
um

2062
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:29,000
where there could be through normal

2063
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,800
legal process is a way to to remove them

2064
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,920
if this weren't happening

2065
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,400
then that's that's a very different

2066
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,800
situation, right?

2067
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,160
That you would need to work with five

2068
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,040
residents or five homes So we don't

2069
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,080
necessarily have it done that

2070
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:47,640
necessarily have it done

2071
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:48,880
that approach.

2072
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,280
Right. Right.

2073
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,640
>> We could We could just lay the hammer

2074
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,360
down on everybody and

2075
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,360
only enforce because no there's not one

2076
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,080
tenant not one tenant that has an active

2077
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,600
lease at all in the whole of Boulder.

2078
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:03,640
So,

2079
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,040
we have a legal right to do a lot of

2080
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,040
this. We're just going to do what's the

2081
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:09,120
right thing to do. We're going to do the

2082
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,200
right thing to do. And I think that's actually an important thing for

2083
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,200
our community to know

2084
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,520
that some of the people who are living

2085
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,920
here are vulnerable not just because of

2086
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,240
their socioeconomic status, but because

2087
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,720
they are actually not in compliance with

2088
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,120
the current requirements of the place

2089
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,040
that they're living right now.

2090
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,680
And then often times I would say with

2091
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,080
normal standards of safety at home.

2092
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,640
So, like these

2093
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,160
that's a complicating factor that we we

2094
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,840
need to consider that some of these

2095
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,920
people may not have on their own

2096
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,240
strong rights to remain in this area

2097
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,720
already. It doesn't mean that there

2098
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,320
good options for them that they could

2099
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:59,230
afford elsewhere, but

2100
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:07,430
it it adds color to the conversation.

2101
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:08,880
Got Henderson.

2102
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaking in a Mayor Judkins absence,

2103
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,080
there's a couple points that she wanted

2104
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,560
me to bring up. I think for those

2105
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,960
properties that you've discussed that

2106
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,760
may still be there, I think she really

2107
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,280
wanted to look at a target of a $10,000

2108
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,200
relocation allowance possibly for those

2109
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,680
ones as something to look at as part of

2110
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,600
your evaluation of the process.

2111
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,360
And another point that she wanted

2112
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,560
brought up and look at is just to make

2113
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,160
sure as both staff and you look at your

2114
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,720
design that and and Becky brought that

2115
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,120
up, make sure we have effective

2116
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,160
placement of transit locations close to

2117
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:46,800
those who would be most likely the

2118
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,560
users. So, make sure we spend enough

2119
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,000
time on that. But, those are a couple

2120
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,080
concepts that she wanted me to express

2121
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,120
for.

2122
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:55,800
Thank you.

2123
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,120
Councilor Whitlock.

2124
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:58,360
Thank you.

2125
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,280
Just a few more questions. I wanted

2126
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:01,440
Maybe you said this and I missed it.

2127
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:04,480
You're saying so the

2128
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:07,000
sales tax TIF is a half a percent over

2129
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,760
what period of time?

2130
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:09,640
Uh

2131
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,840
10 to

2132
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:12,960
30

2133
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,320
or

2134
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,920
So, 30 years? Okay. And then

2135
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,760
maybe this is a Cody question or your

2136
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,400
question, but this HTRZ zone it also

2137
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,720
requires the city to take 15% of sales

2138
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,080
tax of our sales tax and put it into a

2139
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,800
transportation fund. Can you explain how

2140
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,960
that works? I didn't fully

2141
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,080
understand all that from the packet.

2142
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,800
That's a city question.

2143
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:33,520
That a Cody question?

2144
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:34,760
>> City question. Isn't there like some

2145
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,200
requirement with

2146
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:38,920
Yeah, there is. So, with the HTRZ

2147
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,600
portion of it

2148
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,800
my notes towards what My notes I have

2149
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,000
notes.

2150
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,280
It's putting I don't know.

2151
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,800
If you give me one second, I'll Okay, I

2152
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:49,840
can ask another question in the

2153
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,080
meantime. So,

2154
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,800
the chart you provided the latest actual

2155
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,920
numbers were as of 2023. I was curious,

2156
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,200
what were the numbers for 2024 and 2025?

2157
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,720
Yes, because we have the target going in

2158
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,680
2024. Yes.

2159
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,280
Uh I don't have that, but it's a good

2160
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,000
story. Okay. I I That's something the

2161
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:07,960
city would have to share with us

2162
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:09,240
actually.

2163
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,080
Okay, maybe we can get into

2164
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,080
Do you Are you not in contracts with the

2165
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,000
current operators of the mall?

2166
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,120
Can we also share

2167
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:16,960
>> but

2168
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,760
vast majority of retailers do not share

2169
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:19,000
their sales.

2170
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,360
>> Do not share their sales receipts with

2171
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,520
you. Okay. Um

2172
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:23,560
and then

2173
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,790
uh

2174
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:27,760
Cody, do you have that number now?

2175
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:32,670
>> Yeah, okay, cool.

2176
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,480
Cody Hill from the city economic

2177
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:38,040
development. So, it's 15%. So, 15% of

2178
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,800
the sales tax revenue that's generated

2179
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,960
within the HTRZ area goes towards the

2180
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,560
state TIF fund. That's 15% of the total

2181
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,480
8% or whatever. It's not 15% of the

2182
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:48,680
city's I believe it's the 15% of the

2183
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:49,920
state's portion of the state. Are you

2184
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,680
saying 1.5 or 5.0?

2185
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,560
14.15

2186
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:54,920
So you're saying the portion is what we

2187
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:56,800
already said at the state anyway. I

2188
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,640
believe that's correct. Is that Yeah. So

2189
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,440
it's not really relevant to us. Yeah, so

2190
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:02,560
it's not it doesn't So I guess it just

2191
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,040
depends what the denominator is. Is it

2192
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:05,560
from the state's allotment or is it from

2193
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,400
the total I mean I guess Yeah, I think

2194
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:08,720
it's the state. It's not relevant to us

2195
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,240
then. All right. Yeah.

2196
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,880
it's not our point of sale

2197
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,200
portion. Yeah, okay. Makes sense.

2198
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,080
And do we have an understanding of what

2199
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:18,760
all these percentages together are in

2200
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,600
actual dollar amounts? Sure. Yeah.

2201
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,720
If you prepare for this we want to

2202
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,320
have a more general discussion but I had

2203
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,040
a great time talking to you on

2204
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,600
projections at the department.

2205
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,430
annual standpoint

2206
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:38,390
Thank you.

2207
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,120
What are the Is that parking at the back

2208
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,400
of your second apartment complex?

2209
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,400
On the right. parking Yeah. Yeah. Uh

2210
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,120
townhomes. Oh, those are townhomes. Mhm.

2211
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,110
Yeah.

2212
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:59,870
with parking Yeah.

2213
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:01,280
And because it's a townhome it's not

2214
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:05,560
required to have the 100 ft, right?

2215
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:06,760
It doesn't Well, yeah, it doesn't go

2216
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:11,710
over the three stories.

2217
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,640
This question, is the

2218
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,270
Are the townhomes those two-story?

2219
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,000
Um two and three.

2220
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,760
Tyler, do you remember?

2221
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,680
We we've shown a variety of different

2222
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,560
designs. So I think those ones might

2223
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,120
just be two stories. But you have two

2224
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,000
and three. Um it just depends if we have

2225
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,830
it fully fleshed out.

2226
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,400
And do you all of your apartments have

2227
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,070
elevators?

2228
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,640
Uh yes, they do. Um

2229
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,640
this is what we call a wrap or it wraps

2230
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:45,880
around a parking structure. Those are

2231
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,920
five levels of units from the ground

2232
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,760
floor and those have elevators and then

2233
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,440
uh these two in the middle are what we

2234
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:55,720
call a podium. So, the left apartment

2235
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,240
units are built on top of the parking.

2236
01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,800
And so, those are

2237
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:01,720
five levels on top of two levels of

2238
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,480
parking. So, it's ends up being seven

2239
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:05,320
stories tall and they all have and they

2240
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,680
all have elevators. And the ones to the

2241
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:15,710
east also have elevators? Yes.

2242
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,240
Councilor Whitlock?

2243
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,720
Um just for our education, assuming you

2244
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:20,720
know your business, but I'd like to

2245
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,280
understand so you said there's this like

2246
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,600
secular trend of malls failing across

2247
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,520
the United States. Um explain to us why

2248
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,400
this will work. Like why will this work

2249
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,600
and be durable for the next 50 years as

2250
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,080
opposed to

2251
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,560
you know, succumbing to this trend but

2252
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,520
just delaying it by a little bit.

2253
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,480
Good question. Um so, let me just

2254
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:40,480
reference some some of my work before I

2255
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:42,200
came to Brixmor. So, um

2256
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:43,840
I spent uh

2257
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,960
almost 5 years at CBL, which is a

2258
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:47,480
publicly traded REIT out of Chattanooga,

2259
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:49,840
Tennessee. They had 85 malls. I spent 5

2260
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,760
years with them redeveloping malls. Um

2261
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,120
their malls are mostly located in um

2262
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,160
Midwest, Southeast, and a little bit in

2263
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,080
the Northeast.

2264
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,280
More in secondary and tertiary markets

2265
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,280
and so, they ended up seeing the front

2266
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,160
wave of the secular shifts. So,

2267
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,640
obviously as uh malls that were winning

2268
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,760
continue to win. So, those that are the

2269
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,240
dominant, we'll call fortress malls, uh

2270
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:18,320
continue to win. You can think of uh City Creek. You think of just like

2271
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:19,680
everybody knows where it is. Everybody's

2272
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,200
willing to travel to go to it, right?

2273
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:22,720
Well, that takes the energy out of all

2274
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,240
the other malls that used to serve those

2275
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:25,240
areas.

2276
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,880
Um so, that's this been happening for a

2277
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,000
lot of time. So, CBL was kind of at the

2278
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,120
front wave of that. And then I went to

2279
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,120
work for a company called Macerich,

2280
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:33,800
which was a total trade area of Santa

2281
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,760
Monica, uh California.

2282
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,800
They had some higher quality malls, and

2283
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,400
but they had some of the lower tier

2284
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,760
ones. So, their options

2285
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,840
more like this asset had a little bit

2286
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,240
better demographics, a little bit better

2287
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,360
setting to reimagine what it could be

2288
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,440
instead of just saying, "Hey, well,

2289
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:51,760
maybe it's tear this down and do

2290
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,120
something completely different with it.

2291
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,080
We could reuse the buildings." And the

2292
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,160
reason um

2293
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,320
the reason this works is because I don't

2294
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:01,640
have the slide in here, but if you think

2295
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,920
about how mall traditionally works,

2296
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,240
people come maybe sometime during the

2297
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,000
week to go to a movie or maybe go or

2298
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,560
something like that, but the bulk of the

2299
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,200
time that's spent in a mall is let's

2300
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,080
call it 5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. in the

2301
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,160
evenings, and then on the weekends it's

2302
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,160
fairly busy, you know, most of the time.

2303
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,240
Well, that means during the day and in

2304
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:23,680
the morning pretty much every time there

2305
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,560
is no activity. The only people there

2306
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:26,800
are virtually the people that operate

2307
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:27,920
the mall and the people that work at the

2308
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:28,640
mall.

2309
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,920
So, adding a mix of uses into the mix

2310
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,520
creates vibrancy, creates traffic,

2311
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,920
creates a self-sustaining

2312
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,120
uh story. So, it basically becomes a

2313
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,000
self-fulfilling prophecy that the

2314
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,000
residents that are there like having the

2315
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,320
amenities. They like being able to walk

2316
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,920
down go across this a short uh uh

2317
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,920
pedestrian walkway and get their coffee

2318
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,760
and go eat a bagel or do whatever

2319
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:52,720
they're going to do in the morning. Then

2320
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,160
they may come back for lunch. They may

2321
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,360
even work there or work nearby, and then

2322
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:57,600
all of a sudden it becomes activity

2323
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,480
throughout the day. So, the So, they are

2324
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:01,240
getting the benefit of that mix of use

2325
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,040
amenities. Consequently, they're

2326
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,480
typically going to pay a premium to live

2327
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:06,400
there because it's a nicer lifestyle.

2328
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,560
And all those businesses are benefiting

2329
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:09,720
from the fact that they have residents

2330
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,600
that are able to walk down, typically

2331
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,320
have good disposable income to be able

2332
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,480
to spend on higher price point items,

2333
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:16,360
and be able to make that a

2334
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,320
self-fulfilling prophecy. A traditional

2335
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,360
mall doesn't have that. A traditional

2336
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,960
mall relied on the model where Dillard's

2337
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,960
and J.C. Penney's and Macy's would come,

2338
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,320
and they would drive a million visitors

2339
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:28,560
there because everybody knew who they

2340
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:29,720
were and you used to go to a department

2341
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,080
store and everybody in the middle relied

2342
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,440
on on that business to bring all the

2343
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:35,600
traffic.

2344
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:36,640
We all know what has happened with

2345
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,600
Macy's and Dillard's and Bon-Ton and

2346
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:39,760
Sears. You go through the list of all

2347
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,160
department stores.

2348
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:42,640
When they when that business model

2349
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,760
collapsed, it took most malls with them.

2350
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,000
And so now there's not that anchor

2351
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,280
driver. So by creating this mix of uses,

2352
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:50,680
you're creating that activity that used

2353
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,360
to be brought by those anchors.

2354
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:54,400
So hopefully that helps. No, thank you.

2355
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,360
That makes that's helpful. Okay, I'm

2356
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,080
realizing we are definitely over time.

2357
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,280
Um

2358
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:02,600
the real numbers. Where are the real

2359
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,400
numbers? Are they here now or are they

2360
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,040
coming in the future?

2361
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:07,880
Certainly now. Real numbers as far as

2362
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:09,600
the actual dollar amounts of

2363
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,240
>> here. We've got a model and we certainly

2364
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,000
will Cody's

2365
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,960
or Professor will share all that and

2366
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:16,760
happy to.

2367
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:18,360
Okay, I don't know if we have time to do

2368
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,600
this now or if we need to do another

2369
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,320
work meeting to finish this.

2370
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,560
Yeah, so We'd be happy to come back probably and

2371
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:27,720
go through some more of the details and

2372
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:28,840
answer some of these questions. That was

2373
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,120
kind of what we

2374
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:31,560
All right, so yep, let's plan on another

2375
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,320
work meeting. We need to talk about more

2376
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,400
with this for sure. But thank you for

2377
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,720
all this extra information. Yeah, and

2378
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,760
let let me also just say this is

2379
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:44,360
tremendously exciting. This should be a wonderful asset to the city. So as you

2380
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,640
hear us deal with our challenges,

2381
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,560
especially as to the housing, no

2382
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:49,760
different than the challenges you have

2383
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,360
in trying to make the site work. Um

2384
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,240
and I'm convinced that we can find a way

2385
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,440
to make that work. But I'm very excited

2386
01:23:56,440 --> 01:23:58,200
about what this will bring to the city.

2387
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,320
We're excited about the possibility.

2388
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,560
Thank you. Thank you.

2389
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:03,560
All right, we're going to go ahead with

2390
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,240
the presentation regarding the 2027

2391
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,640
budget. No.

2392
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:08,440
Uh

2393
01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:12,630
yep, of administrative services.

2394
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:18,230
Presented by Dan Follett.

2395
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:19,720
Hey, if you get that contract to you you

2396
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,880
can earn a break. Yeah, you that 5

2397
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:23,280
minutes back.

2398
01:24:23,280 --> 01:25:02,510
Let's see.

2399
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,400
Good. Good.

2400
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:05,640
Your tickets.

2401
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:12,710
You're up. Okay.

2402
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,360
Thank you municipal municipal council.

2403
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:16,760
Uh we appreciate the opportunity to talk

2404
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,880
about administrative services.

2405
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:19,800
Uh

2406
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,120
every year when we um do this

2407
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,640
presentation,

2408
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,320
uh we've asked the justice court to do

2409
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,880
an update on the justice court.

2410
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,760
Um Judge Schreiner is here today to do

2411
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,720
that update. He needs to leave uh as

2412
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,400
soon as possible. And so, we're going to

2413
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,560
move his portion to the beginning of the

2414
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:40,800
meeting.

2415
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,440
Uh so, judge, if you could come up and

2416
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:45,840
then uh Scott Henderson would also like

2417
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:59,910
to uh say a few words this time.

2418
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,240
Well, with Judge Schreiner's

2419
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,400
presentation, there's also a chance for

2420
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,160
a celebration.

2421
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,200
I think anytime uh

2422
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,000
longtime employee sticks with us for 30

2423
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,840
years, that is deserving of celebration.

2424
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,480
Judge Schreiner is celebrating that

2425
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:19,280
30-year anniversary tomorrow. Isn't that

2426
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,240
amazing?

2427
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,960
Sorry. I'm sorry I'm taking from your

2428
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:25,560
You're going to shoot confetti confetti

2429
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,800
cannons, then go ahead and do that. But

2430
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,080
personally, I go back

2431
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,960
to my first days and

2432
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,960
Steve that at that time working in legal

2433
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,720
was a good friend. Was a good friend and

2434
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,320
I transitioned to a place where I didn't

2435
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,000
know anybody

2436
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,200
um at Provo City and you know, we talked

2437
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,760
a lot about basketball. We talked a lot

2438
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:54,200
about kids. We did those things, but

2439
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:55,960
that's something that really helped in

2440
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,320
an individual's transition. But Steve

2441
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,760
has always been that top performer and

2442
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,640
you can see that in where he's at now

2443
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,840
and he is amazing asset to our city and

2444
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,200
to our community and somebody I'm very

2445
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,920
proud of to be able to call a friend and

2446
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:18,080
we have his certificate for 30 years

2447
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,360
along with the recognition that he

2448
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,120
receives. And so if we could, let's

2449
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,640
congratulate Steve together on 30 great

2450
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:35,510
years.

2451
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,360
I'll thank you everyone.

2452
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:44,630
I started when I was 10 years old.

2453
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,000
Well, thank you. And the mayor's not

2454
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,000
here, huh?

2455
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,880
She had to leave and be in St. George. I

2456
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,390
hear. Okay.

2457
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,120
Well, members of the council then,

2458
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:58,760
uh last year

2459
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:00,240
that was my first address to the

2460
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:01,640
council.

2461
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,560
I stood before you prior

2462
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,160
to the NCAA basketball tournament last

2463
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:08,320
year.

2464
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,480
Uh last year's basketball team made it

2465
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:12,080
to the sweet 16. I don't know if you

2466
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:13,840
remember that.

2467
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,200
And this year, she's

2468
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,280
this year still a little sensitive about

2469
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:19,960
it. The first week of the tournament was

2470
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:21,840
played last week and the Cougars didn't

2471
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,240
make it out of the first round.

2472
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,760
So, bummer deal as it relates to that.

2473
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,480
But, being a former BYU basketball

2474
01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:30,800
player,

2475
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,840
I thought it was appropriate that Dave

2476
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,320
McCann, in yesterday's Desert News

2477
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,880
article about this year's team,

2478
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,720
quoted the German poet, Ludwig

2479
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,080
J- Jacobowski.

2480
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,160
And he said, "Don't cry because it's

2481
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:47,560
over.

2482
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,480
Smile because it's happened."

2483
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:52,360
I kind of like that. Don't cry because

2484
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,320
it's over, smile because it happened.

2485
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,680
With fabulous freshmen, including Bear

2486
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,240
Backmire,

2487
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,760
and the football team,

2488
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,640
and AJ DeBons on the basketball team,

2489
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,200
and Jane Hedengren,

2490
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:08,920
uh in track and field, there's much for

2491
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,480
Cougars to smile about. And you all

2492
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:13,320
running Cougar Town,

2493
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,440
I have much to be smart much to smile

2494
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,200
about.

2495
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,040
If you don't know Jane Hedengren,

2496
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,360
Google her.

2497
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,880
Right, Brian?

2498
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,320
Google. Amazing. She's phenomenal.

2499
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,120
Anyway, I'm grateful for the opportunity

2500
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,040
to address you here today. I promise to

2501
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:31,840
be brief.

2502
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,200
It's been a little more than 2 years

2503
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,240
since I began my tenure as the Provo

2504
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,680
Justice Court Judge.

2505
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,960
Um and next tomorrow, as Scott said,

2506
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,080
will mark my 30 years

2507
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,440
having worked for Provo City, 28 in the

2508
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:49,640
Provo City Attorney's Office,

2509
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,640
many of those years with Brian.

2510
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:53,400
And I loved working in the Provo City

2511
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:54,880
Attorney's Office,

2512
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,520
and I have loved working in the Provo

2513
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,800
Justice Court as your judge.

2514
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,680
And my colleagues at the court are

2515
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:04,440
amazing.

2516
01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:06,400
Um they are dedicated Provo City

2517
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,520
employees working to serve the citizens

2518
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,000
of Provo.

2519
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,800
And from my perspective, they are doing

2520
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,240
an excellent job.

2521
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,800
As you may or may not be aware,

2522
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,480
every four years Justice Courts are

2523
01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:20,760
required to go through a recertification

2524
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,240
process.

2525
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,240
And our court did so most recently in

2526
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,920
2023. So, we'll probably be doing that

2527
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,680
again next year. Is that right,

2528
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,640
Rhiannon?

2529
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,520
And as part of that recertification

2530
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,560
process, individual Justice Court judges

2531
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,280
are supposed to be meeting with uh the

2532
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,000
governing body

2533
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,200
that created the court

2534
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:44,200
at least yearly, which is why I'm here

2535
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:45,600
today.

2536
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,640
And part of that is to go over the

2537
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:49,240
budget of the court, to review

2538
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,280
compliance with the requirements and

2539
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,440
operational standards of the court, and

2540
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:56,360
to and to discuss other items of common

2541
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,560
concern.

2542
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,960
I'll leave the court's budget to people

2543
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,760
like Rhiannon, who's our court

2544
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:06,320
executive, and to Dan.

2545
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,160
But I want to assure you that uh Provo

2546
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,160
Justice Court meets, if not exceeds, the

2547
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,240
operational standards set by statute and

2548
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:15,840
the Judicial Council of the State of

2549
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,680
Utah.

2550
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,520
Provo Justice Court is one of the larger

2551
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:22,800
I know it's one of the larger, if not

2552
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,120
the largest,

2553
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,600
single-judge

2554
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,840
Justice Courts in the state. Last year,

2555
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,480
we handled

2556
01:31:29,480 --> 01:31:32,200
about 11,000 cases.

2557
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,400
You can imagine, there's only 365 days

2558
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,160
in a year, of which I think there's 260

2559
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:38,680
that we're open.

2560
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,120
So, when you think about it that way,

2561
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,440
we handled over 1,900 misdemeanor

2562
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:45,160
criminal cases,

2563
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:49,280
uh over 2,200 small claims cases,

2564
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:53,800
and uh over 6,600 traffic cases.

2565
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,560
So, the police are out doing their job

2566
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,040
to keep Provo streets safe.

2567
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,600
So, we are pretty busy. Uh we We a large

2568
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,320
calendar this morning of

2569
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:06,080
uh over 70 cases, and we have a calendar

2570
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:07,760
this afternoon. So, I appreciate you

2571
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,240
letting me go first cuz I need to get

2572
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:10,640
back.

2573
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,080
I don't have any pressing concerns that

2574
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,520
I need to bring up with this body.

2575
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,880
Um if there are any questions or

2576
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,920
concerns that you have for me, feel free

2577
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,640
to ask. I know this is meant to be a

2578
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:24,000
short thing.

2579
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,920
But any member of this council, the

2580
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,440
mayor's office, the mayor

2581
01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:30,840
is welcome to come to the justice court

2582
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:32,960
anytime. If you have issues, if you have

2583
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,400
questions, if you have concerns,

2584
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,800
feel free to talk to

2585
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,640
me directly, Rhiannon directly,

2586
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,240
and we'll respond, and you are again

2587
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,280
invited out to the justice court anytime

2588
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:46,800
you want to come.

2589
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,480
I want to thank uh each member of the

2590
01:32:49,480 --> 01:32:52,000
council for the support that is given to

2591
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:53,320
the court,

2592
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,240
and for your dedicated service to the

2593
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,240
citizens of Provo.

2594
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,240
I want you to know that

2595
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,480
it doesn't go unnoticed.

2596
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:03,440
Um

2597
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:05,720
Again, I thank you for your time.

2598
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:07,480
I don't We have time for questions. If

2599
01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:09,280
you have questions, feel free to ask.

2600
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:10,520
But Well, I would just say that with

2601
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:12,040
your efficiency, we should be thanking

2602
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:15,960
you. Okay. That's That's remarkable. Oh.

2603
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,560
Uh Scott's been out to see how we work,

2604
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,480
and

2605
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:21,720
if you have any questions, you can ask

2606
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:25,080
Scott too. He can give you an unbiased

2607
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:26,320
Okay. Well, thank you so much, Judge.

2608
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,600
Any questions for Judge before we go?

2609
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:29,400
All right. Thank you.

2610
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:34,830
>> you very much.

2611
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,080
Thank you, Judge.

2612
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,760
Uh just to go through uh administrative

2613
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:42,760
services, if we can turn to the next

2614
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,560
page. It goes to right here. Okay.

2615
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,920
Let's see if I can

2616
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:51,000
There we go. So, administrative services

2617
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:52,120
um

2618
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,800
uh includes these six uh divisions. So,

2619
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,320
city recorder, cybersecurity,

2620
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:00,040
facilities, finance, information

2621
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,960
systems, and then justice court that we

2622
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,120
just heard from. Most of the services we

2623
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,280
provide are focused internally.

2624
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,960
Justice Court obviously is is more

2625
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,720
external and City Recorder is a mix. We

2626
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:16,840
all have customers that are internal and

2627
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,160
external, but most of them are internal

2628
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:20,600
services that we provide in

2629
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,960
administrative services.

2630
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,240
In terms of the questions that were

2631
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,360
asked by the council, unfunded and

2632
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,800
underfunded needs, we'll talk about

2633
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,960
those on the next slide when we discuss

2634
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,280
supplemental requests for the FY27

2635
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:36,480
budget.

2636
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:39,640
Fee changes, there are no fee change

2637
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,440
request within administrative services.

2638
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:45,120
Requests that will increase ongoing

2639
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,400
operation expense, again, we'll talk

2640
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,200
about those in the supplemental

2641
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:50,560
requests.

2642
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,000
And then in terms of current budget

2643
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,400
constraints, at this point in time there

2644
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:55,920
are none.

2645
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,440
And council budget priorities, we always

2646
01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:01,800
welcome and hope that we can be very

2647
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,120
helpful to the council in providing any

2648
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:05,680
kind of information information or

2649
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:09,040
support that they need for that you need

2650
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,200
for your priorities.

2651
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,840
In terms of cybersecurity and when we

2652
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,160
talk about supplemental request, we have

2653
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,360
a couple of requests that that we're

2654
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,480
asking for this year.

2655
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:21,640
Um

2656
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,680
The first one is contractual increases

2657
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,960
and these are are are simply contracts

2658
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,840
that we have in place,

2659
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,800
primarily Arctic Wolf that we use

2660
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,160
to secure our networks.

2661
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:36,800
And we have contractual agreement we

2662
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:38,320
have a you know,

2663
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,080
terms in those agreements where there's

2664
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,960
escalation in price on a yearly basis

2665
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,440
and so that's what that $20,200

2666
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:46,400
is.

2667
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:50,760
Um the other area that we are requesting

2668
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,320
additional support in cybersecurity

2669
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,440
is we would like to add an analyst.

2670
01:35:55,440 --> 01:35:58,280
Right now, we have one person, uh,

2671
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:01,320
Tyler, who's with us today, and, uh,

2672
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,920
he's just exceptional in terms of

2673
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,680
monitoring monitoring our network not

2674
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:10,200
only during normal business hours here,

2675
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:14,080
but offsite, uh, weekends, vacations,

2676
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,680
sick leave, you name it. We would like

2677
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,080
to be able to have a little more backup

2678
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:22,280
there. Uh, unfortunately, the the bad

2679
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,400
guys, uh, aren't letting up their

2680
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,600
pressure at all. In fact, it only

2681
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:29,080
intensifies with each passing day, each

2682
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:31,360
passing year, each passing, you know,

2683
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:35,280
global, uh, event that takes place.

2684
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,680
And so, that's one area that we would

2685
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,240
like to increase the budget. In terms of

2686
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,720
information systems, we have contractual

2687
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,560
increases, uh, and those primarily

2688
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,480
relate to existing,

2689
01:36:47,480 --> 01:36:48,160
uh,

2690
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:51,280
software that we have in place, OnBase,

2691
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:53,520
Cayenta, and CityView.

2692
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:57,760
And so, those increases total 18,960.

2693
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,760
Uh, last year, we implemented a new

2694
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,240
website, uh, for the city, and the

2695
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:06,400
ongoing support of that website is

2696
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,520
124,000.

2697
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:10,000
Uh, and that's what you see that

2698
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,880
increase there for. And then, we have,

2699
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:13,640
um,

2700
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,440
some hardware, central disk storage

2701
01:37:16,440 --> 01:37:18,720
infrastructure that that provides

2702
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,600
support for throughout the city, uh,

2703
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,960
including public safety, and, uh, the

2704
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,600
equipment itself is starting to get

2705
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,640
to be near end of life. Uh, and so, we

2706
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,640
need to replace that, and that's

2707
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,760
410,000. Now, the 410,000,

2708
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,320
we're still working on that to see if

2709
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,680
there's ways that we can, um, spread

2710
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,800
that out over a few years, um, if there

2711
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,480
are some of it some of the equipment

2712
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:48,480
that we can replace and some we can

2713
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:52,680
defer uh, but in total it's the 410,000.

2714
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:54,880
And then Justice Court again we have

2715
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,600
contractual increases. The two primary

2716
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,960
drivers there are the building that the

2717
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:04,520
Justice Court is in is leased and in

2718
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:06,560
that lease agreement there are increases

2719
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,840
on an annual basis. The other item is

2720
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:13,480
that we contract for security services

2721
01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:16,920
at the Justice Court and so

2722
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:21,040
some of it in in that 17,908

2723
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,160
relates to the security.

2724
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:24,000
So those are

2725
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,440
>> So is that the the deputies you talked

2726
01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:28,640
about the contracted Yeah, so when you

2727
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:30,400
go to the Justice Court they're not

2728
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:34,760
Provo City police officers. They're

2729
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:39,640
it's a security service that my understanding is and Rihanna can

2730
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,800
talk to it more than I can but that the

2731
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,320
Justice Court has found that to be a

2732
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,200
very efficient and cost-effective way

2733
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:52,880
and a secure way to provide security at

2734
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,400
the Justice Court. Is that fair to say

2735
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:57,000
Rihanna? Yes and having

2736
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:58,400
we have

2737
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,840
Provo City police officers at the door

2738
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,280
screening people or handling security it

2739
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,160
creates this conflict of interest if

2740
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,360
it's the same old system of shaking

2741
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:12,590
people down.

2742
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:13,920
Um

2743
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,080
so

2744
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,400
I won't go through every one of these. I

2745
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:20,360
will say that the department we just

2746
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:21,640
have excellent employees in

2747
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:23,920
administrative services and the the

2748
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,720
accomplishments are numerous and

2749
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,120
significant. Um

2750
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:32,360
and and this is just a very very highest

2751
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:34,600
level of kind of what has been

2752
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:37,440
accomplished over the past year. In City

2753
01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:39,640
Recorder

2754
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,120
Heidi earned certified municipal clerk

2755
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:44,480
and Utah certified clerk designations

2756
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:47,080
both last year.

2757
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,080
Implemented a number of improvements in

2758
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:51,960
document management. Did 24 employee

2759
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,200
newsletters

2760
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,280
and was elected to positions with the

2761
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:58,960
Central Utah Recorders Association and

2762
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,120
Utah Municipal Clerks Association. So I

2763
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,120
think it's fair to say that that we have

2764
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,160
a recorder that's very very active in

2765
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:08,120
the in the recorder community and that

2766
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:10,680
brings a lot of value to Provo City.

2767
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:13,000
In terms of cybersecurity,

2768
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,560
provided incident response services

2769
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,120
24/7,

2770
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:19,400
risk and advisory support for multiple

2771
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,280
application and system reviews,

2772
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,240
66 technology projects

2773
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,560
that improve security

2774
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:30,200
and updated strategies. Continues Tyler

2775
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:31,440
works on

2776
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:33,160
consistently staying ahead of the bad

2777
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:36,200
guys and does an excellent job of that.

2778
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:39,880
Key accomplishments for facilities,

2779
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:41,520
completed an emergency sewer line

2780
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,080
replacement at fire station three,

2781
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:45,960
did upgrades to service now which is a

2782
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,040
software that

2783
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,920
facilities utilizes to provide service

2784
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:52,360
throughout the city to all the

2785
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:55,240
departments, did a remodel of station 26

2786
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:56,760
kitchen, new construction at the

2787
01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:00,400
airport, stucco at the Peaks Arena

2788
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:02,160
and started a five-year elevator

2789
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,760
replacement plan at the library. Our our

2790
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:06,960
elevators at the library are nearing

2791
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:08,520
end-of-life.

2792
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:10,160
Finance,

2793
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,720
received the Government Finance Officers

2794
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:16,800
Association Distinguished Budget Award

2795
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:21,120
and then also we received GFOA

2796
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,880
recognition for the annual comprehensive

2797
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:25,760
financial report and popular annual

2798
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,080
financial reports.

2799
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:29,080
We

2800
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:31,080
received a clean audit opinion on our

2801
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,800
audited financial statements. We issued

2802
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,280
wastewater revenue bonds this year and

2803
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:38,360
completed a significant a significant

2804
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,880
Kyenta software upgrade uh in

2805
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,800
conjunction with customer service

2806
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:46,320
uh and our information systems group.

2807
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,480
Uh information systems received 20

2808
01:41:49,480 --> 01:41:51,560
25 Utah Information Technology

2809
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,880
Excellence Award, uh the 2025 Visionary

2810
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,640
Digital Inclusion Trailblazer Award, the

2811
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:01,680
ArcGIS Open Data Hub uh they launched,

2812
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:04,440
and again they they also supported 66

2813
01:42:04,440 --> 01:42:07,520
technology projects. Uh and and a very

2814
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,040
significant project is they launched the

2815
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:13,920
redesigned provo.gov uh website.

2816
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,720
And then finally the Justice Court

2817
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:19,640
completed 88% of traffic cases within 90

2818
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:22,840
days, 89% of criminal cases within 180

2819
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:26,720
days, and 98% of small claim claims

2820
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,320
cases uh with within 270 days.

2821
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,320
Um so as you can see,

2822
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,480
we provide a very diverse set of

2823
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:36,720
services, but uh

2824
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:38,640
um I think we've done that in an

2825
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:40,800
excellent fashion and plan to do that

2826
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:42,200
again this year.

2827
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:43,960
So I just asked council if you have any

2828
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:48,190
questions or

2829
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,120
Any questions?

2830
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:54,360
Councilor, sorry I couldn't see you.

2831
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:57,520
Um I just have a couple questions on the

2832
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:01,000
servers that you you have. I'm just just

2833
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,320
curious why why do we have it on prem?

2834
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:05,040
Is that like required by law?

2835
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:08,320
I'm going to let Josh address that.

2836
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:10,520
So specifically we're talking about the

2837
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,160
disk that's on prem. Uh we have a lot of

2838
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:14,960
services that are actually still here.

2839
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,480
We are required by law to maintain

2840
01:43:17,480 --> 01:43:19,600
localized server rooms in the material

2841
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:21,960
scoring and animal dispatch center. So

2842
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:24,200
we look at the cost of disk in the cloud

2843
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:26,120
compared to this disk that we run

2844
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,120
locally, it's

2845
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:30,560
way less cost to the citizens of Provo.

2846
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,600
So it almost doubles our cost to If were

2847
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,560
to move it all to the cloud.

2848
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,560
What do what do we have on the cloud?

2849
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,520
We have a various set of services.

2850
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:40,200
Seeing things like Workday's cloud-based

2851
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:42,760
services. We have a very hybrid level

2852
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,160
approach. But each time we look at the

2853
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:46,920
actual costs over a 7-year cost outlay,

2854
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,080
we compare that to say if it makes sense

2855
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:53,160
to move to the cloud, we do so. Okay.

2856
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:55,240
In this case, it just Yeah, the it

2857
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:56,200
doesn't

2858
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:58,840
make sense monetarily.

2859
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:00,880
All right, good question. So, the 410

2860
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,040
servers, is that a complete

2861
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,640
replacement or is that one

2862
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:07,560
So, in this case specifically, disk

2863
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,320
space storage, not necessarily the

2864
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:11,640
servers themselves. So, if you go back

2865
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:13,240
in time, each time you've done like a

2866
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,720
one-time allocation, then these piece of

2867
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:19,280
the hardware we have in form some mix

2868
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,240
between spinning disk and volatile RAM.

2869
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:24,160
They are under support contracts and

2870
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:25,680
they end up going to end of life into

2871
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,320
support approximately year seven. So,

2872
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:29,680
when we start reaching that point, we

2873
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:32,360
can no longer get emergency repair

2874
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:33,520
services. We have to look at an

2875
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,880
alternative platform. And again, so the

2876
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:37,960
cost of an extended support contract in

2877
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,600
comparison to doing a replacement, which

2878
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:42,920
also just covers replacement of disk,

2879
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:46,080
but we also see an extreme growth curve

2880
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:48,360
and how much disk we need, so we try to

2881
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,760
cover that at around the 6-7 year mark.

2882
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,400
We are now at 7-7 and 1/2 years. So, we

2883
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,320
were able to extend it a little bit, but

2884
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:56,520
we are at that spot where we need to

2885
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,160
replace the disk. So, that's helpful. My

2886
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:02,560
question was what percentage of our

2887
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,480
of of that capacity is being replaced by

2888
01:45:05,480 --> 01:45:08,400
410? Complete replacement or Oh, yeah,

2889
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:09,640
it's it's 100%.

2890
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:11,520
>> 100%. Correct.

2891
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:13,760
Thank you. And we couple with that,

2892
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:15,280
there are some systems that have

2893
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,320
localized disk on the server themselves.

2894
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:19,400
So, this is the the primary storage

2895
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:21,440
part. Yeah.

2896
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:24,160
Uh related question I had was on the on

2897
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:26,360
your line item that said

2898
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:27,320
forget the exact word, it was like

2899
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:29,880
website hosting and other digital

2900
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:31,520
services. I was just curious what those

2901
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:32,960
other digital services were as part of

2902
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,000
the 100 and something thousand

2903
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:37,040
124,000.

2904
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:38,920
I can take this as well if you'd like.

2905
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:41,640
Yes, please. So, the the council was

2906
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:43,760
part of this project within RFP for a

2907
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:45,560
digital platform which is the old

2908
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:47,840
website was not ADA compliant and it

2909
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:51,000
also did not have any online services

2910
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,640
uh that would let people interact

2911
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:55,120
directly with us. We also had a desire

2912
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:56,960
by the council to have a mobile

2913
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:58,520
app which the mobile app is included

2914
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:00,400
here. Also, if any of you use

2915
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,560
SeeClickFix which is 311's report an

2916
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:04,480
issue type service, that's included in

2917
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:06,440
that platform. We went with a product

2918
01:46:06,440 --> 01:46:07,920
called CivicPlus which puts all under

2919
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:09,400
that one

2920
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:11,560
platform. And so, we did is we had some

2921
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,320
one-time funding that carried us through

2922
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:14,720
for the first portion of it. So, we're

2923
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:15,720
going to have that spot where we have

2924
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:17,880
ongoing funding to continue that

2925
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:19,360
service.

2926
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:20,880
Does that answer that question for you?

2927
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:23,600
>> is the 124 an annual it's like an annual

2928
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:24,800
SaaS service?

2929
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:26,440
>> And this is a quick version of it. This

2930
01:46:26,440 --> 01:46:28,440
is 100% private. Okay. And that would

2931
01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:30,400
continue? Correct. It would continue.

2932
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,350
It's ongoing.

2933
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,840
Thank you. Thanks.

2934
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:39,510
All right. Any other questions?

2935
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:40,000
Thank you.

2936
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:44,510
>> much.

2937
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:47,440
All right. Next, we have a the 2027

2938
01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:49,600
budget for public works. It's being

2939
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,600
presented by Jimmy Knight, the public

2940
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:56,000
works administration division director.

2941
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:57,280
Who now?

2942
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:57,880
He's coming.

2943
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:10,430
>> Oh. Huh. Okay.

2944
01:47:10,440 --> 01:47:12,520
Thanks for this opportunity. We're uh

2945
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:13,640
going to go through the public works

2946
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,040
budgets.

2947
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,480
I've got it organized by um division of

2948
01:47:17,480 --> 01:47:20,550
our department.

2949
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,000
Uh we'll start with water and waste

2950
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:23,360
water, which is our water resources

2951
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:28,870
division.

2952
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:30,520
The, um,

2953
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:32,080
the budget's broken down here for each

2954
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,960
fund. Uh, the water fund is $21 million

2955
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:36,400
revenue

2956
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:38,160
broken up by these four sect- uh, three

2957
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:40,880
sections and the CIP.

2958
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:42,400
And the waste water as well at $28

2959
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:44,040
million

2960
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:47,800
with two operating sections and, uh, CIP

2961
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:51,750
expenditures there.

2962
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:56,520
Um, I I I wanted to note that the water admin and the waste water

2963
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,600
reclamation budgets also include, um,

2964
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:01,560
debt service payments.

2965
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:04,000
So, it might might not compare with some

2966
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:05,520
of the other operating funds where it's

2967
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,360
not just the cost of the employees and

2968
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:08,880
their, um,

2969
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,600
their supplies. It's

2970
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:13,800
those additional expenses.

2971
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,400
So, in water resources in FY26, the

2972
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,440
current year, we had asked for, uh,

2973
01:48:18,440 --> 01:48:20,200
increase for

2974
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:21,600
the new sewer treatment plant coming

2975
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:24,320
online and be online for 12 months.

2976
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,240
And, uh, so we're we're currently

2977
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:28,360
through going through that now and it

2978
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:29,560
looks like we've we've budgeted

2979
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:31,760
sufficiently. We're still,

2980
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:34,720
um, learning, uh, as we go about, you

2981
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:36,240
know, seasonality and things like that

2982
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:39,040
of the of the treatment plant.

2983
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,480
Um, but looks like we we budgeted

2984
01:48:41,480 --> 01:48:42,680
sufficiently with that request. We're

2985
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,280
not asking for additional money there in

2986
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:48,950
reclamation in '27.

2987
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:51,440
Uh, in '27 in these two divisions or at

2988
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:53,520
least two funds, water fund, uh, we're

2989
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,320
asking for

2990
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,160
drinking water plant staff and operating

2991
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:58,920
budget.

2992
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:00,440
So, we have our drinking water plant

2993
01:49:00,440 --> 01:49:02,400
that is anticipated to be finished, uh,

2994
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:04,640
December or January.

2995
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:06,440
And so, we're uh, requesting two

2996
01:49:06,440 --> 01:49:12,080
positions to be added in July to be there as the plant gets finished

2997
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:14,440
as, um, installers are there putting in

2998
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:16,080
the equipment, learning from them to

2999
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:18,160
make sure we know how it runs.

3000
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:19,440
Uh being prepared for when it comes

3001
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:21,640
online and then two others or three

3002
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:24,360
others in January

3003
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,160
once the plant comes online.

3004
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:30,200
Um Jimmy, is this the one for you?

3005
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:33,310
Yes. Okay.

3006
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:35,120
Yeah, so that it's going up very fast.

3007
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:38,200
Um it's getting enclosed and um

3008
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:40,920
we're excited about its progress. We're

3009
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,120
um just anticipating now in the 27

3010
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:47,840
budget to start staffing it and running the plant.

3011
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:49,880
Uh in distribution, we're requesting an

3012
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:51,360
increase to the overtime budget based on

3013
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,840
historical use. You know, that's uh

3014
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:56,120
overtime budget is used on

3015
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:57,240
um

3016
01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:01,560
break response and you know, on call for

3017
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:03,640
um

3018
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:05,040
for any calls that we get about the

3019
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:08,560
water system on on off hours.

3020
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:09,640
And the wastewater fund, we're

3021
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:11,120
requesting a full-time wastewater

3022
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:13,080
collections operator. We feel like with

3023
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:15,000
an additional person, we can do a better

3024
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:16,640
job of um

3025
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,600
maintaining the sewer system, the sewer

3026
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:20,560
collection system, the pipes,

3027
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:22,320
and the manholes.

3028
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,280
Um we would anticipate an additional

3029
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:25,960
person being able to focus more on

3030
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:27,560
repairs

3031
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:29,640
uh of that equipment or of that

3032
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:31,400
infrastructure

3033
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:32,600
and um

3034
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,280
continuing the other work we do to

3035
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,760
keep the pipes flowing

3036
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:41,200
and uh respond to any backups.

3037
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:42,960
And also a similar collections overtime

3038
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:44,160
budget

3039
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:50,030
uh requests based on historical actuals.

3040
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:52,000
As far as fee changes in water resources

3041
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,320
in the water fund, um I've circled here

3042
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:56,640
the option three that was selected by

3043
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:58,040
the council

3044
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:01,920
in uh June of last year,

3045
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:03,520
which um

3046
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:08,360
anticipates a 6% rate increase in FY 27.

3047
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:10,520
In the current calendar year,

3048
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,200
we had some questions that we responded

3049
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:14,480
to about um how that would be applied to

3050
01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:16,600
the council. It would be

3051
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,800
uh done to each component of the rate

3052
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:21,880
resulting in a 6% revenue increase

3053
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:23,960
overall.

3054
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:25,680
And um

3055
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:29,600
we had a question also about how those tiers have people have

3056
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:33,160
responded to those tiers so far and

3057
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:34,240
uh we don't have a lot of that

3058
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:36,280
information yet because the the tiers

3059
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:38,840
went into effect in September. So, we're

3060
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:40,120
we'll we'll learn more about that as we

3061
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:44,640
go through the summer months coming up.

3062
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:46,360
Councilor Boden.

3063
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:47,840
Jimmy, do we have like a hard dollar

3064
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,400
figure on which how much that's going to

3065
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,120
raise for each one of the tiers?

3066
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:55,560
Yeah, do we have a picture of the rates?

3067
01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:58,560
Like tier one's going to be $5, tier

3068
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:00,320
two's going to be $10, tier three's

3069
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,200
going to be $15. Do you have

3070
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,040
I have that, but not in the

3071
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:07,720
slides. Can you send that to us? I can.

3072
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:08,840
Thank you. You want to know what the

3073
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:11,160
dollar amount of each tier We want to

3074
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:12,440
know what the dollar amount of each tier

3075
01:52:12,440 --> 01:52:14,520
>> chart what this 6% looks like after.

3076
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:19,870
Yes, I have that.

3077
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:21,200
So, in the waste in the water fund,

3078
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:23,320
there's no other um fees that we're

3079
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:24,680
anticipating

3080
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:26,440
changing. In wastewater, we are looking

3081
01:52:26,440 --> 01:52:27,760
to add a

3082
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:28,320
um

3083
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:30,640
two fees related to

3084
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:31,840
sewage that gets dropped off at the

3085
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:33,880
plant by waste haulers, people who drive

3086
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:35,640
the trucks that um

3087
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,720
that clean out septic systems

3088
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:40,520
typically and um

3089
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:41,840
making sure that we're recovering the

3090
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:43,640
costs of our employees being there after

3091
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:44,720
hours

3092
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:48,400
or when there's excessive um debris in

3093
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:50,960
the in the sewage.

3094
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:52,560
I'm trying to find a word a different

3095
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,240
word than sewage, but I'm not going to

3096
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:54,920
go.

3097
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,920
It's okay. We have strong stomachs here.

3098
01:52:57,920 --> 01:52:59,320
Mhm.

3099
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:01,400
Um and then here's a list of our water

3100
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:03,120
some of our key accomplishments this

3101
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:04,200
year.

3102
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:06,600
I'm not going to go through each one and

3103
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:13,910
but um happy to answer any questions if you've had a chance to see these.

3104
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:18,830
Uh here's the wastewater fund.

3105
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:21,600
So our next division is public services

3106
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:22,960
which includes the streets operating

3107
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,160
budget which is

3108
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:28,480
a $3 million operating budget.

3109
01:53:28,480 --> 01:53:30,480
Not revenue generating.

3110
01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:33,600
Uh storm water fund $6.5 million which

3111
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,160
is uh

3112
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:37,640
a storm water fee on the utility bill

3113
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:39,960
that funds uh 2.8 million in operations

3114
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,840
and 3.3 of capital projects.

3115
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:45,800
Sanitation fund has $7 million of

3116
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:48,040
revenue which primarily goes for the

3117
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:51,120
operations. It's not a capital intensive

3118
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:53,480
operation. Um

3119
01:53:53,480 --> 01:53:55,360
it's mostly just picking up the cans and

3120
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:59,310
operating the compost yard.

3121
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:02,840
Which is a enormous task.

3122
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:05,040
I didn't want to downplay that.

3123
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:06,360
Um

3124
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:08,560
and then the vehicle replacement uh

3125
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:10,280
vehicle maintenance fund

3126
01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:11,960
where our fleet

3127
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:15,080
technicians and mechanics they keep

3128
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:17,080
maintain all the city fleet.

3129
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:18,360
And then the vehicle replacement fund

3130
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:20,840
which I'll get into a little bit later

3131
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:22,560
where we purchase the vehicles for the

3132
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:23,840
city.

3133
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:25,200
Do you know what I saw? I don't know if

3134
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:26,640
this is the right time to ask, but

3135
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:27,800
something about the vehicles you

3136
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:30,760
mentioned that you're just going to

3137
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:32,280
Was it garbage trucks? Just lease them

3138
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:34,080
every year and sell them or something?

3139
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:36,680
Can you explain how that's more

3140
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:38,560
financially sensible?

3141
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,760
Yeah, so what the the fire truck well

3142
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,520
Is it fire trucks? It No, it's it's

3143
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,280
sanitation. Okay.

3144
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:46,960
Warren, do you want to The fire trucks.

3145
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,000
It's probably have better to have an

3146
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:50,720
expert explain that and the sanitation

3147
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:51,880
maintenance costs that we're trying to

3148
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:52,960
avoid.

3149
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:56,080
So there is a tremendous amount of

3150
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:57,400
dollar figures for you, but there are a

3151
01:54:57,400 --> 01:54:59,160
tremendous amount of labor

3152
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:00,520
um and

3153
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:03,120
cost of parts to go into the sanitation

3154
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:04,720
trucks to keep them running.

3155
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:05,840
Um

3156
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:08,080
They are vehicles that are become

3157
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:09,880
commercial tested. They are full

3158
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:11,880
throttle, break, full throttle, break

3159
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:15,040
about 1,800 times a day.

3160
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:18,560
And they get battled and just destroyed.

3161
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:21,880
They require a great deal of maintenance

3162
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:24,200
and repair. By replacing them on a

3163
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:27,360
regular basis every 12 months, we are

3164
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:30,440
introducing a new vehicle into the fleet

3165
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:33,160
that does not have as many cycles on it

3166
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:36,560
and it will not have as many breakdowns.

3167
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:39,120
So, I know it sounds crazy to say, "Hey,

3168
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:40,560
we're going to buy a brand new truck

3169
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:41,920
every year."

3170
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:44,400
But realistically, if you look at the

3171
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,240
maintenance and repair costs to what it

3172
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:49,080
would be to be able to cycle one out,

3173
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:50,960
there's quite a bit difference. And I

3174
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:52,400
apologize, I'm not prepared to tell you

3175
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:53,640
that exactly number. I didn't have that

3176
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:55,800
information. I'm sorry. And so, we just

3177
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:57,280
sell one vehicle every year, too? Is

3178
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:57,920
that the idea?

3179
01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:58,760
>> Yes.

3180
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:01,440
How many of the sanitation trucks

3181
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:03,400
do we have in the fleet?

3182
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:04,920
As far as residential residential

3183
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:08,110
garbage cans?

3184
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:09,520
I believe, off the top of my head, we

3185
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:10,840
have three

3186
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:13,320
vehicles for roll-off containers. We

3187
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:16,120
have two front loads.

3188
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:22,400
And then as far as residential cans, I believe we have 16.

3189
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:23,680
But again, I would have to double-check

3190
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:26,600
that one. The 16 would do the blue,

3191
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:29,360
green, and black bins? Correct. Okay.

3192
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:31,320
Yes. And those are historically the

3193
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:32,720
vehicles you've had the most problems

3194
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:33,560
with.

3195
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:36,320
Yes, that is that is correct. I mean,

3196
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:40,640
every vehicle has its its problems. However,

3197
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:43,440
we do spend the vast majority of our our

3198
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:44,560
labor

3199
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,280
inside our shop working and keeping

3200
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:48,120
these on the road and keeping them up.

3201
01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:49,680
So, you're not technically just using

3202
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:51,200
them a year. You're saying every year

3203
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:52,280
you're replacing one, which means it's

3204
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:54,680
like every 16 years or 20 years.

3205
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:56,840
>> So, what we're doing is is you purchase

3206
01:56:56,840 --> 01:57:00,040
a new vehicle, that vehicle a year later

3207
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:05,200
they'll buy it back. They'll buy it back at 85 to 90% of that

3208
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:07,680
value. Okay. They're a very still a very

3209
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:09,920
high commodity item, so there's a a lot

3210
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:12,000
of huge market out there. So, we can get

3211
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,800
a lot of them back. So, you're only

3212
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:15,680
paying that small difference between the

3213
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:18,520
new and what you get that buyback at.

3214
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:19,840
And that's less than we're paying now.

3215
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:21,640
>> And that is that cost that cost

3216
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:23,920
difference is substantially less than

3217
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:26,120
what we pay on an ongoing maintenance.

3218
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:28,800
Cuz typically we'll replace a a

3219
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:31,400
sanitation sanitation truck one truck

3220
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:33,240
every year or two every year through

3221
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:35,160
that whole 16.

3222
01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:37,280
And that becomes cuz then we're now

3223
01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:40,920
running trucks that are 7, 8, 9 old and

3224
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:43,280
those older trucks are just constantly

3225
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,520
>> So, now are we running them all one year

3226
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:48,000
then? That's what Eventually we're just

3227
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:50,320
doing We're cycling that out. So,

3228
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,880
eventually all the people have basically

3229
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:55,600
new trucks coming in every year. And

3230
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:57,040
then we just pay that cost difference

3231
01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:59,640
between the new and then the buyback.

3232
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:02,120
>> Okay. Cool garbage trucks.

3233
01:58:02,120 --> 01:58:03,240
Very cool.

3234
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:08,710
Thank you. My tax would save us.

3235
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:12,680
As far as supplemental requests, um in streets we're requesting two

3236
01:58:12,680 --> 01:58:15,000
full-time streets maintenance workers

3237
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:16,400
to do some work that is currently being

3238
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,480
done by contractors

3239
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:20,200
that we feel we can do more efficiently

3240
01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:22,640
in-house. And by having these uh

3241
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:24,400
additional employees

3242
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:25,840
when they're not working on the concrete

3243
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:29,160
removal and trans trans trench patching

3244
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:31,560
they will be able to be used for the

3245
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:33,400
other services that streets provide such

3246
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:36,960
as um snow plowing in the winter.

3247
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:40,760
Um allowing us to improve that response.

3248
01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:42,640
So, those would be funded by funded by

3249
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:44,800
existing funds um that would just be

3250
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:48,680
moved to positions instead of

3251
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:50,640
paying for the outside work.

3252
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:52,360
In stormwater we're requesting a

3253
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:54,120
increase to the part-time budget by

3254
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:58,360
$7,000 again based on historical usage.

3255
01:58:58,360 --> 01:59:00,440
The fleet fund we've we've talked with

3256
01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:03,640
fire about um

3257
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:05,760
the impact to the general fund as well

3258
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:06,880
as

3259
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:09,680
uh the fleet fund for an emergency

3260
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:12,120
vehicle technician additional

3261
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:14,000
emergency vehicle technician

3262
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:15,680
which we're continuing to work with uh

3263
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:17,360
with them and with administration to to

3264
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:19,080
talk through alternatives and and

3265
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:22,720
impacts potential impacts of that.

3266
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:24,480
In sanitation we're asking for a

3267
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:26,400
full-time scale house attendant position

3268
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:28,440
which would be a full-time person at the

3269
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:30,360
compost yard

3270
01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:32,000
which would enable us to have it open 5

3271
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:34,160
days a week instead of two

3272
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:37,520
and increase um the the availability of

3273
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:39,600
other services such as uh another

3274
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:41,960
recycling drop-off and potentially glass

3275
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:44,080
drop-off.

3276
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:46,320
And this would be funded by um

3277
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:48,280
a change to the

3278
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:51,120
uh what's we refer to as the rooftop fee

3279
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:52,960
which is a dollar per

3280
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:54,080
uh

3281
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:55,960
per account. We're looking to change

3282
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:59,240
that to be $1 per

3283
01:59:59,240 --> 02:00:00,120
uh

3284
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:02,160
residential household.

3285
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:04,280
And so right now we have some accounts

3286
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:06,160
that are like for an HOA where we have

3287
02:00:06,160 --> 02:00:08,640
200 garbage cans it's only one account

3288
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:10,320
they get charged $1

3289
02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:11,760
where a single family home is also only

3290
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:13,360
get is also getting charged a dollar. We

3291
02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:15,400
want to make sure that

3292
02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:17,920
that's being distributed appropriately.

3293
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:19,200
I have a quick question.

3294
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:21,960
>> Yes. Um going back to the supplemental

3295
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:24,600
request on the compost yard person. Yes.

3296
02:00:24,600 --> 02:00:27,520
So on the bit about recycling it

3297
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:31,320
mentioned the possibility of moving the

3298
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:33,840
recycling roll-off from over by the fire

3299
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:35,360
station so we wouldn't have it there

3300
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,920
anymore.

3301
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:39,880
It's much more convenient to get to that

3302
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:41,480
in the middle of the city than it is to

3303
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:43,160
go down to the transfer yard or

3304
02:00:43,160 --> 02:00:44,480
something.

3305
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:46,360
Can we keep both?

3306
02:00:46,360 --> 02:00:47,640
I think we're looking at alternatives

3307
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:50,200
for for locations. So far, yes. We are

3308
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:54,680
to keep it there. Okay. All right. We're looking at different things for

3309
02:00:54,680 --> 02:00:57,200
recycling. It's just so challenging cuz

3310
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:59,200
anywhere we set it

3311
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:03,280
the the amount of overtime, we just get a

3312
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:07,560
lot of illegal dumping. And it becomes a challenge. We're trying

3313
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:10,200
to set them in places that are strategic

3314
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:12,080
that they can have some kind of fire

3315
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:13,720
safety. Maybe we're going to try it

3316
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:15,920
potentially to see if you set it next to

3317
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:17,880
a fire station maybe that will

3318
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:20,360
discourage people from Do we get illegal

3319
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:22,520
dumping with the glass recycling? Not

3320
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:24,680
there because it's But often times what

3321
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:26,120
you see is somebody they'll they'll

3322
02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:28,080
throw some tires there or you know, just

3323
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:31,200
set a tire there. And it's incredible.

3324
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:33,080
Yeah.

3325
02:01:33,080 --> 02:01:35,840
What people what they do. It's so

3326
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:37,760
That's the challenge we try to balance.

3327
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:39,880
So, but right now we're trying to keep

3328
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:42,160
it and then try to expand it, but

3329
02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:43,480
still resolve that issue.

3330
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:45,680
>> Okay. I will say that the glass

3331
02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:48,240
recycling is one of my favorite errands

3332
02:01:48,240 --> 02:01:50,720
to do. Such a great stress reliever to

3333
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:53,560
go and like throw the glass. Right now,

3334
02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:56,880
I would say Okay.

3335
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:59,960
But if the property sells and it gets

3336
02:01:59,960 --> 02:02:01,640
redeveloped, then we got to rethink what

3337
02:02:01,640 --> 02:02:03,160
we want to do with that. So, there may

3338
02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:05,240
be opportunity to incorporate it with

3339
02:02:05,240 --> 02:02:06,760
the development. We're starting to look

3340
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:09,040
at maybe some standards on there.

3341
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:10,720
Um and incorporating those in our

3342
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:12,760
development standards for recycling as

3343
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:15,000
part of the development process. And in

3344
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:16,920
commercial spaces on that, do you mean

3345
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:18,840
take through the space? We'll probably

3346
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:21,880
come back to council for those

3347
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:23,640
code changes or possibility to look at

3348
02:02:23,640 --> 02:02:25,120
that too as to how the commercial

3349
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:27,640
businesses they need to put recycling

3350
02:02:27,640 --> 02:02:29,880
facilities on there. Okay. On our

3351
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:36,030
property so. Okay. Thank you.

3352
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:37,760
Um I think the last item was the

3353
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:40,440
sanitation overtime budget which um

3354
02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:42,040
was concluded in supplemental with with

3355
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:44,560
other over times based on um

3356
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:45,960
historical

3357
02:02:45,960 --> 02:02:48,400
usage.

3358
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:50,120
Um and then here's a description of the

3359
02:02:50,120 --> 02:02:54,670
fee that I tried to explain um

3360
02:02:54,680 --> 02:02:57,080
that would help us fund the the

3361
02:02:57,080 --> 02:02:58,840
position of the composture.

3362
02:02:58,840 --> 02:03:00,520
Just out of curiosity, why didn't we do

3363
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:03,080
this 6 years ago?

3364
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:05,360
Or last year or year before? I mean, why

3365
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:07,200
are we doing it

3366
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:08,760
This seems like such a no-brainer. I'm

3367
02:03:08,760 --> 02:03:10,560
just wondering.

3368
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:11,840
Good question. Shame you have a

3369
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:13,680
response? Well, over time when this was

3370
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:15,920
first implemented in 2011, it was per

3371
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:16,960
account.

3372
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:18,960
And so the thought process is we would

3373
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:21,920
be capturing all the residential houses,

3374
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:23,560
but over time since that time every

3375
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:25,200
account that was set up you would think

3376
02:03:25,200 --> 02:03:27,920
that would be tied to a residential home

3377
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,280
or residential unit. What we found is it

3378
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:32,600
wasn't. So you have all these HOAs that

3379
02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:35,200
come in and they have 150 houses, they

3380
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:37,120
have one account which is the HOA

3381
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:39,000
account, and so you're only charged one

3382
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:41,280
day one And so over time that has just

3383
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:43,600
like we've realized what it was intended

3384
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:45,840
was for all residential units. So what

3385
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:47,000
we're going to do is we're going to fix

3386
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:49,720
that instead of an account it'll be tied

3387
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:52,280
to like for instance the UTF it'll be

3388
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:54,400
tied to the power meter. That way it'll

3389
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:56,440
capture all those little HOA's, all

3390
02:03:56,440 --> 02:03:59,480
those little things. Uh bravo.

3391
02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:01,080
Lo- love it.

3392
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:03,120
Councilor Bobden.

3393
02:04:03,120 --> 02:04:05,560
I know it's just a dollar. Is it dollar

3394
02:04:05,560 --> 02:04:07,440
a month? A dollar a month?

3395
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:09,760
>> Okay, but for me

3396
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:12,320
I don't have a green waste can.

3397
02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:15,320
I don't get mulch from the composting

3398
02:04:15,320 --> 02:04:16,600
station.

3399
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:19,680
So explain to me why someone like me

3400
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:22,240
would be charged a dollar, $30 a year

3401
02:04:22,240 --> 02:04:24,560
for a service I don't even use. And it's

3402
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:26,600
not just the composting, it's also for

3403
02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:28,480
some of it's recycling. We have all

3404
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:30,480
these additional costs that we don't tie

3405
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:31,840
to any specific

3406
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:33,440
>> But I don't even have a recycling bin. A

3407
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:36,920
can. We also it's also help our um

3408
02:04:36,920 --> 02:04:38,880
spring and fall cleanup.

3409
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:41,920
Our spring and fall cleanup has gotten

3410
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:43,800
massive and that is a benefit for the

3411
02:04:43,800 --> 02:04:45,480
entire community.

3412
02:04:45,480 --> 02:04:48,480
Um we we ask people to use the the the

3413
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:50,280
spring and fall cleanup.

3414
02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:51,480
Um

3415
02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:53,080
there we're not sure how how to

3416
02:04:53,080 --> 02:04:55,520
recapture that. This is a long way to to

3417
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:57,600
do it. Um that's one of the big ones. We

3418
02:04:57,600 --> 02:04:59,760
just keep expanding all these Other one

3419
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:02,200
is My Hometown. If you know My Hometown,

3420
02:05:02,200 --> 02:05:03,440
I go help

3421
02:05:03,440 --> 02:05:05,560
you know, the the various communities

3422
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:07,400
and they bring those things in. That has

3423
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:09,720
been a very successful

3424
02:05:09,720 --> 02:05:10,560
um

3425
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:12,280
implementation of, you know, helping

3426
02:05:12,280 --> 02:05:14,640
communities. That has just gotten so big

3427
02:05:14,640 --> 02:05:16,880
and we have all the costs associated.

3428
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:20,200
This has helped helped with that cost.

3429
02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:22,000
Do you need to clean up, Becky?

3430
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:23,920
Well, I I have I have a vehicle that I

3431
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:25,960
can do that, but I mean, I can imagine

3432
02:05:25,960 --> 02:05:27,240
people coming to me and saying, "I don't

3433
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:28,920
even have a truck, so I can't even use

3434
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:32,360
the spring cleanup." And so now I'm

3435
02:05:32,360 --> 02:05:34,840
paying for other people to clean up when

3436
02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:36,320
I can't even clean up. So I'm just

3437
02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:38,040
trying to figure out how do I explain

3438
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:40,600
this to a resident of why they're paying

3439
02:05:40,600 --> 02:05:42,680
$30 a year.

3440
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:46,000
So so If they're two good dudes, do you do you do you do you do you do

3441
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:47,840
You've been paying this for 6 years and

3442
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:50,280
you're not in HOA.

3443
02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:52,720
So everybody The only thing we're doing

3444
02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:54,440
now is bringing it on to people that

3445
02:05:54,440 --> 02:05:56,200
haven't been paying it.

3446
02:05:56,200 --> 02:05:57,840
So this won't affect you or any of your

3447
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:00,440
neighbors. Right. This this is bringing

3448
02:06:00,440 --> 02:06:02,560
it to the forefront, right? So Make them

3449
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:05,080
aware of it. Exactly. And so it even me,

3450
02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:06,880
I I didn't even realize I was paying a

3451
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:10,280
dollar a month for composting container.

3452
02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:11,680
So anyway,

3453
02:06:11,680 --> 02:06:13,600
Yeah, so how do I explain this to

3454
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:15,800
people?

3455
02:06:15,800 --> 02:06:18,240
I I again, not everybody uses every

3456
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:20,520
program of the city, but you have the

3457
02:06:20,520 --> 02:06:22,400
ability to dump all your green waste

3458
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:25,040
there for free. You're have the ability

3459
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,440
to use the glass. Do we allow them to do

3460
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:29,560
that for free at the Is it a $5 charge

3461
02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:31,040
to come in and dump green? No, I'm just

3462
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:33,200
getting rid of waste.

3463
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:35,880
So, just residents. We don't allow

3464
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:38,200
commercial. And so, those are some

3465
02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:39,880
benefits that you have when you take

3466
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:42,160
advantage of them or not.

3467
02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:43,400
So, I don't know how to tell you. We

3468
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:47,320
want you to take advantage of it. What is the expected incremental revenue

3469
02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:50,040
increase from this change?

3470
02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:52,000
So, right now, they're going to be about

3471
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,720
a little over 200,000. Right now,

3472
02:06:53,720 --> 02:06:56,040
there's about 19,000 accounts that are

3473
02:06:56,040 --> 02:06:58,440
just really that I think once we switch

3474
02:06:58,440 --> 02:07:01,080
that, we're we'll jump up to like 26,000

3475
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:03,240
accounts. So, kind of multiply that out,

3476
02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:05,240
that's a little over 200,000.

3477
02:07:05,240 --> 02:07:06,480
And that would be used to pay for that

3478
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:08,240
person. And that would pay for the the

3479
02:07:08,240 --> 02:07:10,320
person and all those other

3480
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:11,440
um

3481
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:14,840
facilities and those operations.

3482
02:07:14,840 --> 02:07:16,000
The other thing I would mention is that

3483
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:18,400
by having the compost yard, uh it allows

3484
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:20,960
us to divert a lot of the that waste

3485
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:23,440
that would typically just be in the

3486
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:24,920
uh landfill.

3487
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:27,040
Um and and be put at the compost yard

3488
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:29,080
instead, which I think

3489
02:07:29,080 --> 02:07:30,480
benefits everyone. So, I don't know if

3490
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:33,120
that helps, but Such a good idea.

3491
02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:35,560
I've got a a quick question about the

3492
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:39,440
different overtime requests or budgets.

3493
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:42,400
So, I'm

3494
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:44,720
I really appreciate that you had the

3495
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:46,720
actual numbers for the past few years so

3496
02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:48,960
that we could see how what had been

3497
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:50,880
requested was not matching what we were

3498
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:54,240
actually spending. That was really useful.

3499
02:07:54,240 --> 02:07:56,760
Um and it seems like even for like the

3500
02:07:56,760 --> 02:07:59,240
distribution over time,

3501
02:07:59,240 --> 02:08:01,880
it was astonishingly high in 2025. Like,

3502
02:08:01,880 --> 02:08:07,080
why was it double anticipated cost?

3503
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:10,080
2025, we had the lead and copper rule

3504
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:12,240
where we had to get out and verify water

3505
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:14,360
services throughout the community. So,

3506
02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:16,400
we were going out looking at a major

3507
02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:22,320
percentage of all of our water metals to find out if they're galvanized

3508
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:25,440
um or copper or poly. So, some of that

3509
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:28,320
overtime was for

3510
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:30,400
the service and inventory.

3511
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:33,800
A lot of it was still for brakes.

3512
02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:34,720
But

3513
02:08:34,720 --> 02:08:37,200
that that number did go over because of

3514
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:38,960
lift cover.

3515
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:40,720
Okay. That's why I wanted to show

3516
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:42,360
multiple years so

3517
02:08:42,360 --> 02:08:44,240
all those aberrations could be

3518
02:08:44,240 --> 02:08:46,880
discounted and show the overall trend

3519
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:48,960
regardless of those one time.

3520
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:51,720
And on sanitation, like it was already

3521
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:55,360
fairly high 148 and we're asking 200.

3522
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:57,640
Does it make sense to have that much in

3523
02:08:57,640 --> 02:08:59,320
overtime budget or would it make more

3524
02:08:59,320 --> 02:09:01,600
sense to hire more people so that you're

3525
02:09:01,600 --> 02:09:04,760
not doing overtime?

3526
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:06,440
I think eventually it'll get there.

3527
02:09:06,440 --> 02:09:08,840
Right now it still makes sense to We we

3528
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:10,400
did look at that. It still makes sense

3529
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:12,360
to do the overtime. A lot of the

3530
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:15,160
overtime is all these extra things that

3531
02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:16,960
we keep adding on to help with the

3532
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:18,640
community, you know, street cleaning and

3533
02:09:18,640 --> 02:09:20,000
all those kind of things. And right now

3534
02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:22,080
it still makes sense to just do that as

3535
02:09:22,080 --> 02:09:24,240
overtime than actually get another

3536
02:09:24,240 --> 02:09:26,640
person. We are getting another person.

3537
02:09:26,640 --> 02:09:29,080
One of a lot of that overtime too is our

3538
02:09:29,080 --> 02:09:30,840
better combo share.

3539
02:09:30,840 --> 02:09:32,880
She says we have one individual that

3540
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:35,760
takes that. And so you're you're

3541
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:37,760
the hours that it it is open in there

3542
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:40,160
during the week plus the weekend, you

3543
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:42,160
kind of need two people or else that

3544
02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:44,240
person continues to get additional

3545
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:46,320
overtime. This person will actually help

3546
02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:48,240
somewhat reduce a lot some of that

3547
02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:49,320
overtime.

3548
02:09:49,320 --> 02:09:54,270
Okay. Thank you.

3549
02:09:54,280 --> 02:09:57,560
Councilor Adams. Speaking of overtime,

3550
02:09:57,560 --> 02:09:59,440
do we have the Buckley job figures in

3551
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:00,720
yet?

3552
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:01,720
Yes.

3553
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:04,280
And you send those to us? Yes.

3554
02:10:04,280 --> 02:10:05,160
Thank you.

3555
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:09,670
Correct.

3556
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:11,160
All right again, key key accomplishments

3557
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:13,200
in each of the sections, street, storm

3558
02:10:13,200 --> 02:10:15,680
water, sanitation and fleet. You know,

3559
02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:17,720
it goes into some of the details about

3560
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:19,520
how many cans we collect, how many

3561
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:22,480
pieces of equipment we maintain.

3562
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:25,240
Um as far as a fleet replacement, this

3563
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:28,080
uh represents the uh the original

3564
02:10:28,080 --> 02:10:30,080
proposal of the fleet advisory

3565
02:10:30,080 --> 02:10:31,240
committee,

3566
02:10:31,240 --> 02:10:32,880
which includes uh representatives from

3567
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:34,200
each of the general fund departments.

3568
02:10:34,200 --> 02:10:36,400
These are the general fund vehicles that

3569
02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:38,880
were initially identified for

3570
02:10:38,880 --> 02:10:40,200
replacement in the coming year. We're

3571
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:42,920
going to continue to meet with them and

3572
02:10:42,920 --> 02:10:46,480
um revise that number and and uh

3573
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:47,880
you'll see the the end result of that

3574
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:49,360
when we get to the proposal when the

3575
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:51,880
budget's proposed.

3576
02:10:51,880 --> 02:10:53,320
Just an example of the types of

3577
02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:56,000
equipment that um

3578
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:59,360
the uh fleet division maintains and

3579
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:02,390
we're sure replace.

3580
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:04,840
Engineering, our uh last division Oh, is

3581
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:08,600
15 the entire fleet of patrol cars?

3582
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:08,960
No.

3583
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:10,800
>> No. I think there's uh I think there are

3584
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:17,230
122. 122. 122 patrol units. Oh, yeah.

3585
02:11:17,240 --> 02:11:20,750
I thought they were shared.

3586
02:11:20,760 --> 02:11:22,960
So, engineering, uh again a general fund

3587
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:24,680
division, um

3588
02:11:24,680 --> 02:11:25,960
there are some revenues associated with

3589
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:27,800
this uh division, but I I didn't put

3590
02:11:27,800 --> 02:11:29,200
them on here.

3591
02:11:29,200 --> 02:11:31,480
Uh 2.5 million dollar operating budget

3592
02:11:31,480 --> 02:11:34,560
and accomplishments, um

3593
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:36,200
and then at the bottom we've got uh a

3594
02:11:36,200 --> 02:11:38,360
supplemental request for a full-time

3595
02:11:38,360 --> 02:11:40,320
engineering technician. We're We're

3596
02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:42,040
proposing to use existing funding for

3597
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:45,040
one engineer to fund two technicians.

3598
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:46,720
So, we wouldn't need additional budget,

3599
02:11:46,720 --> 02:11:48,360
we just need additional full-time

3600
02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:56,070
equivalent approved in the budget.

3601
02:11:56,080 --> 02:11:59,590
And that may be my last one.

3602
02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:01,160
Any other questions? Councilwoman

3603
02:12:01,160 --> 02:12:02,360
Whitlock.

3604
02:12:02,360 --> 02:12:03,440
Um

3605
02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:06,360
I was luckily not part of the water rate

3606
02:12:06,360 --> 02:12:08,120
discussion last year.

3607
02:12:08,120 --> 02:12:10,080
Um but I do Could you go back to that

3608
02:12:10,080 --> 02:12:11,600
slide? I just have some questions if I

3609
02:12:11,600 --> 02:12:15,870
may ask them. We can play videos.

3610
02:12:15,880 --> 02:12:18,320
I got pretty heavy. I know.

3611
02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:19,280
So, I just want to make sure I'm

3612
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:22,040
understanding this. This is

3613
02:12:22,040 --> 02:12:23,600
the incremental increase every single

3614
02:12:23,600 --> 02:12:25,160
year as a schedule? Yes.

3615
02:12:25,160 --> 02:12:26,320
>> Yes.

3616
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:28,360
So, we're going to well over double the

3617
02:12:28,360 --> 02:12:30,400
cost of water over the next

3618
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:33,720
Yeah, I have seriously issues with this.

3619
02:12:33,720 --> 02:12:35,680
Am I wrong about that? That's right?

3620
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:37,520
Okay, I have to say. Okay.

3621
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:40,000
Yeah, it's to pay for the pipe.

3622
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:41,200
That's why they're so unhappy.

3623
02:12:41,200 --> 02:12:43,920
>> That's what they say.

3624
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:46,400
Do you believe that we this increase is

3625
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:49,080
needed? It's like a

3626
02:12:49,080 --> 02:12:55,550
paramount need for infrastructure.

3627
02:12:55,560 --> 02:12:59,960
Yes, we we have pipe that is corroding

3628
02:12:59,960 --> 02:13:02,520
underground and leaking and and our

3629
02:13:02,520 --> 02:13:04,880
crews are out every weekend

3630
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:06,800
repairing main lines.

3631
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:08,760
Um and

3632
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:10,560
based on the evaluation of our water

3633
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:13,520
system, we feel like there's a minimum

3634
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:15,760
level of funding to keep our water

3635
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:18,320
system operating the way it is,

3636
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:20,200
providing

3637
02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:22,600
the greatest water quality in the state.

3638
02:13:22,600 --> 02:13:26,960
>> You have the greatest water. And so that that

3639
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:29,000
increase is based on keeping that

3640
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:31,400
funding level to where we can maintain

3641
02:13:31,400 --> 02:13:33,560
our system and replace our old

3642
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:36,360
infrastructure.

3643
02:13:36,360 --> 02:13:38,440
So,

3644
02:13:38,440 --> 02:13:40,280
I guess what I So, what after the

3645
02:13:40,280 --> 02:13:41,720
schedule is done, what is our margin

3646
02:13:41,720 --> 02:13:43,640
What are our margins become on like the

3647
02:13:43,640 --> 02:13:47,510
incremental gallon?

3648
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:49,600
I'll I'll have to prepare that and get

3649
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:52,600
back to you. Cuz it is inter- I mean, I understand the logic, but it is

3650
02:13:52,600 --> 02:13:54,200
interesting to like essentially we're

3651
02:13:54,200 --> 02:13:56,960
dramatically increasing our our gross

3652
02:13:56,960 --> 02:13:59,560
margins on our water to cover a bunch of

3653
02:13:59,560 --> 02:14:01,160
fixed asset costs. That's essentially

3654
02:14:01,160 --> 02:14:02,840
the strategy we're doing, right?

3655
02:14:02,840 --> 02:14:03,800
Yep.

3656
02:14:03,800 --> 02:14:05,560
Okay. And a lot of cities have gone to

3657
02:14:05,560 --> 02:14:08,040
bonding instead. Yeah, and then and then

3658
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:09,240
I'm just wondering like have we done

3659
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:11,400
exper- Like cuz I think again, uh this

3660
02:14:11,400 --> 02:14:13,520
is the economist in me, but like

3661
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:16,200
there's a profit maximizing rate of of

3662
02:14:16,200 --> 02:14:17,600
water that sort of And again, I know

3663
02:14:17,600 --> 02:14:18,840
there's conservation, but if you're just

3664
02:14:18,840 --> 02:14:20,240
So, there's different lenses you can

3665
02:14:20,240 --> 02:14:21,880
look at this with, but if you're just

3666
02:14:21,880 --> 02:14:23,200
thinking about it, there's some price

3667
02:14:23,200 --> 02:14:25,160
elasticity associated with water. As

3668
02:14:25,160 --> 02:14:27,680
rates go up, I conserve, I use less. And

3669
02:14:27,680 --> 02:14:29,320
so, like how confident are we we're not

3670
02:14:29,320 --> 02:14:31,720
going beyond the profit maximizing rate?

3671
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:32,920
Like I've done a ton of these studies,

3672
02:14:32,920 --> 02:14:34,600
but you can you've you know, you fidget

3673
02:14:34,600 --> 02:14:36,320
with pricing and then you see you can

3674
02:14:36,320 --> 02:14:37,480
you see

3675
02:14:37,480 --> 02:14:38,840
volume of consumption change, and

3676
02:14:38,840 --> 02:14:40,880
sometimes you think more price equals

3677
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:42,520
more profit, but actually often times

3678
02:14:42,520 --> 02:14:43,800
you go past that point at which the

3679
02:14:43,800 --> 02:14:45,120
marginal cost is high where you actually

3680
02:14:45,120 --> 02:14:47,000
bring down your profit because people

3681
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:48,160
are just like, "This is too expensive.

3682
02:14:48,160 --> 02:14:49,760
I'm not going to pay it."

3683
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:51,040
So, I'm just wondering now like how

3684
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:52,200
confident we are in some of these

3685
02:14:52,200 --> 02:14:53,280
things.

3686
02:14:53,280 --> 02:14:54,320
Yeah, so we we do have multiple

3687
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:55,680
components of the rate. There's the base

3688
02:14:55,680 --> 02:14:57,360
rate that was done regardless of the

3689
02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:59,720
usage. And then when our our And that's

3690
02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:01,480
just like a flat service rate being

3691
02:15:01,480 --> 02:15:04,240
connected to the water, correct? Yeah.

3692
02:15:04,240 --> 02:15:06,280
And then and so, our consultant that

3693
02:15:06,280 --> 02:15:09,440
provided the rate proposal

3694
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:11,360
uh factored in the I can't remember the

3695
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:14,520
percentage of the elasticity of demand

3696
02:15:14,520 --> 02:15:15,600
for

3697
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:17,120
water with the price as the price went

3698
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:19,760
up and and calculated that into the

3699
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:22,360
forecast so that as the price as the

3700
02:15:22,360 --> 02:15:24,080
consumption went down that we would

3701
02:15:24,080 --> 02:15:25,520
still reach the certain revenue

3702
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:27,000
thresholds we're seeking. And that was

3703
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:28,920
just based on assumptions from other

3704
02:15:28,920 --> 02:15:31,720
cities or something like It's industry standard for

3705
02:15:31,720 --> 02:15:33,320
>> an industry standard assumption and we

3706
02:15:33,320 --> 02:15:34,920
didn't run any experiments to see how

3707
02:15:34,920 --> 02:15:38,120
Provo reacts to it. No, and it's it's

3708
02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:41,040
really hard to to to pinpoint because

3709
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:42,600
the consumption changes because of so

3710
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:44,080
many reasons other than because of the

3711
02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:45,400
price.

3712
02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:46,960
But then we'll get but we will start to

3713
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:50,040
get some year-over-year data of the two

3714
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:52,440
like of the two cohorts before and after

3715
02:15:52,440 --> 02:15:53,800
where we can start to see if that

3716
02:15:53,800 --> 02:15:54,880
assumption was true or not in the

3717
02:15:54,880 --> 02:15:57,800
modeling. Yes. Okay.

3718
02:15:57,800 --> 02:16:00,480
Now, prior to this increase

3719
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:02,360
we were you people were using what was

3720
02:16:02,360 --> 02:16:06,040
it like a million less in water?

3721
02:16:06,040 --> 02:16:08,280
And our revenue had gone down

3722
02:16:08,280 --> 02:16:10,880
because of

3723
02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:13,520
Yes, but again, we've had

3724
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:14,680
you know, some years where it's really

3725
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:15,960
dry, some years when it's really wet.

3726
02:16:15,960 --> 02:16:17,600
It's it's really hard to pinpoint if

3727
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:18,880
it's the price that's changing, the

3728
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:20,600
usage, you know, just the overall

3729
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:22,200
sentiment about

3730
02:16:22,200 --> 02:16:24,080
conservation. I'm sorry, we're getting

3731
02:16:24,080 --> 02:16:25,480
so in the weeds here, but do we do we

3732
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:27,360
have like a any regression modeling that

3733
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:29,000
tries to like

3734
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:30,520
account for these various factors year

3735
02:16:30,520 --> 02:16:32,000
over year? Because we could we could we

3736
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:34,000
could like essentially tag every single

3737
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:35,599
variable you just said it cost the last

3738
02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:37,519
30 years and try to come up with Have we

3739
02:16:37,519 --> 02:16:38,599
ever done any work like that?

3740
02:16:38,599 --> 02:16:40,360
>> Yeah.

3741
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:41,960
I don't think so. Okay, anyway. The

3742
02:16:41,960 --> 02:16:43,200
reason why I ask it's funny you said

3743
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:44,200
that cuz I was talking to one of my

3744
02:16:44,200 --> 02:16:46,599
professors from BYU at Econ. He's like,

3745
02:16:46,599 --> 02:16:48,200
"We'd love to do some regression, you

3746
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:49,559
know, work for the city and I would if

3747
02:16:49,559 --> 02:16:50,880
you have any project ideas." So maybe

3748
02:16:50,880 --> 02:16:54,150
this is a good one.

3749
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:55,519
Good citizens have been conserving

3750
02:16:55,519 --> 02:16:57,599
really well year after year. Just keeps

3751
02:16:57,599 --> 02:16:59,519
going down.

3752
02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:03,480
Yeah, and I expect it this year with our water year, people will probably be

3753
02:17:03,480 --> 02:17:05,280
inclined to conserve on their own even

3754
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:08,160
without us asking them to just because

3755
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:10,719
we didn't have a winter.

3756
02:17:10,719 --> 02:17:12,559
On a slightly different topic, I have a

3757
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:15,960
question about

3758
02:17:15,960 --> 02:17:18,400
the water resources and our staffing

3759
02:17:18,400 --> 02:17:20,280
levels on that. So that was a really

3760
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:23,120
interesting thing to read that EPA

3761
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:25,120
recommended that we should have 14

3762
02:17:25,120 --> 02:17:27,240
people and we have seven full-time and

3763
02:17:27,240 --> 02:17:33,519
two part-time. Um you know, so we're pretty close more or less to what

3764
02:17:33,519 --> 02:17:35,679
Orem's doing, but we're far below those

3765
02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:37,719
three cities that are the comparables

3766
02:17:37,719 --> 02:17:40,679
that were listed. So how is it that we

3767
02:17:40,679 --> 02:17:43,080
are able to get away with fewer

3768
02:17:43,080 --> 02:17:46,120
employees right now? Like

3769
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:47,280
and

3770
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:50,360
can we sustainably keep doing that or is

3771
02:17:50,360 --> 02:17:51,599
this something where we're borrowing

3772
02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:52,639
time?

3773
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:54,280
I think we're borrowing time. We we do

3774
02:17:54,280 --> 02:17:56,599
have the best employees out there.

3775
02:17:56,599 --> 02:17:59,599
They're working hard, but but yeah,

3776
02:17:59,599 --> 02:18:02,000
this this the system, the wastewater

3777
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:05,360
system continues to grow and

3778
02:18:05,360 --> 02:18:07,800
we add more miles of and we have the

3779
02:18:07,800 --> 02:18:10,480
same staffing levels or maybe even under

3780
02:18:10,480 --> 02:18:12,719
what we've had in the past trying to

3781
02:18:12,719 --> 02:18:16,519
maintain that increasing pipeline.

3782
02:18:16,519 --> 02:18:19,200
Um we've also got new technologies where

3783
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:21,679
we can do a lot of the services that we

3784
02:18:21,679 --> 02:18:24,040
have hired out in the past. Uh and by

3785
02:18:24,040 --> 02:18:27,750
doing those in-house we're saving money.

3786
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:29,400
But using more of our employees' time.

3787
02:18:29,400 --> 02:18:35,440
>> Yes. Yeah. Uh it was just cuz we've often gotten reports from police

3788
02:18:35,440 --> 02:18:37,360
that we are not meeting, you know, some

3789
02:18:37,360 --> 02:18:39,000
sort of industry standard for the number

3790
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:41,280
of officers for our population size. So

3791
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:42,840
it was really surprising to me to see

3792
02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:46,000
that we're in a similar situation with

3793
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:47,400
water.

3794
02:18:47,400 --> 02:18:50,000
So And specifically on wastewater

3795
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:50,160
collection?

3796
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:53,200
>> On wastewater, yeah.

3797
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:58,790
Oh, for fun.

3798
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:01,679
Okay, any other questions?

3799
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:04,599
I know I would love to see more charts

3800
02:19:04,599 --> 02:19:06,040
for the water, which I know does not

3801
02:19:06,040 --> 02:19:08,440
excite anybody. Maybe Jeff. Is that

3802
02:19:08,440 --> 02:19:10,120
water? But

3803
02:19:10,120 --> 02:19:13,960
I would love to see our conservation,

3804
02:19:13,960 --> 02:19:17,280
the different differences.

3805
02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:19,400
I want to somehow get it. I want to

3806
02:19:19,400 --> 02:19:22,000
understand better our use per acre.

3807
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:24,240
That's something that's still my my

3808
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:26,120
issue with this whole thing.

3809
02:19:26,120 --> 02:19:27,679
I think we're so disproportionately

3810
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:29,760
We're not being fair

3811
02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:33,750
per size of people's

3812
02:19:33,760 --> 02:19:35,639
land or whatever.

3813
02:19:35,639 --> 02:19:39,120
But um yeah, so I don't know what

3814
02:19:39,120 --> 02:19:41,519
I don't even know what to ask for.

3815
02:19:41,519 --> 02:19:44,160
But I want to understand exactly how

3816
02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:47,040
it's going up, the pricing,

3817
02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:48,640
our conservation, how that's been going

3818
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:49,680
and how our conservation's been

3819
02:19:49,680 --> 02:19:52,160
affecting our revenue.

3820
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:54,360
Um

3821
02:19:54,360 --> 02:19:56,280
yeah.

3822
02:19:56,280 --> 02:19:58,880
Well, if unfortunately

3823
02:19:58,880 --> 02:20:00,920
you can't really look at

3824
02:20:00,920 --> 02:20:02,280
Well, we still have it in the last 10

3825
02:20:02,280 --> 02:20:02,800
years.

3826
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:04,800
>> Yes, the jump. Yeah, but we but we

3827
02:20:04,800 --> 02:20:06,240
there's years where we increased every

3828
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:07,480
year 4%, right?

3829
02:20:07,480 --> 02:20:08,200
>> Right.

3830
02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:10,280
I want to compare those years to

3831
02:20:10,280 --> 02:20:11,280
what we're

3832
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:13,440
assuming you were six and eight.

3833
02:20:13,440 --> 02:20:15,000
And and the hard part like Jimmy was

3834
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:17,200
mentioning, those years where we were

3835
02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:19,640
increasing 4 or 5% every year,

3836
02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:21,600
it was also at the tail end of

3837
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:23,760
a long-term drought and there was

3838
02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:25,960
constant messaging

3839
02:20:25,960 --> 02:20:28,080
everywhere you looked, TV, radio,

3840
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:30,320
newspaper of conserve, conserve, we have

3841
02:20:30,320 --> 02:20:32,920
no water. And so it it

3842
02:20:32,920 --> 02:20:35,600
you know, maybe with the help of of

3843
02:20:35,600 --> 02:20:37,680
BYU or some other

3844
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:39,560
some of our consultants, we can look at

3845
02:20:39,560 --> 02:20:42,000
that and how that plays into

3846
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:44,480
what's what's been happening, but we

3847
02:20:44,480 --> 02:20:46,840
have we have seen a decrease in overall

3848
02:20:46,840 --> 02:20:48,520
water use,

3849
02:20:48,520 --> 02:20:51,400
whether that's our rates going up or the

3850
02:20:51,400 --> 02:20:53,560
messaging for conservation.

3851
02:20:53,560 --> 02:20:55,440
>> there's absolutely a mindset of

3852
02:20:55,440 --> 02:20:57,320
conservation in Provo, without a doubt.

3853
02:20:57,320 --> 02:20:58,240
Yeah, there's no need to change that.

3854
02:20:58,240 --> 02:20:59,600
>> Like you knock doors and it's

3855
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:01,880
undeniable. Yeah. And it's in every

3856
02:21:01,880 --> 02:21:03,520
neighborhood.

3857
02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:05,880
So.

3858
02:21:05,880 --> 02:21:07,600
Okay.

3859
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:09,560
Thanks, Jimmy. Nothing else? Jimmy? Do

3860
02:21:09,560 --> 02:21:11,800
you want to bring something back to this

3861
02:21:11,800 --> 02:21:14,120
presentation or did you Are we We can

3862
02:21:14,120 --> 02:21:15,560
just get it in Then we can do it memos

3863
02:21:15,560 --> 02:21:16,160
and emails.

3864
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:18,840
>> We want it in memo.

3865
02:21:18,840 --> 02:21:20,200
Thanks, Gordon.

3866
02:21:20,200 --> 02:21:21,800
All right. Can I I should just like one

3867
02:21:21,800 --> 02:21:22,840
more thing as we're like

3868
02:21:22,840 --> 02:21:26,360
>> Yeah, specify I I can I can write an email, but the

3869
02:21:26,360 --> 02:21:27,800
other thing that

3870
02:21:27,800 --> 02:21:29,200
again, I I apologize. I think I was in

3871
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:30,240
the heat of the campaign and wasn't

3872
02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:31,920
following this super closely, but like

3873
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:33,360
the other thing that I'm just curious

3874
02:21:33,360 --> 02:21:35,440
about, I think I understand the logic of

3875
02:21:35,440 --> 02:21:37,360
the tiers, but I'm going to I'm just

3876
02:21:37,360 --> 02:21:39,360
curious why we decided to go and tier

3877
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:41,800
based on lot size as opposed to just a

3878
02:21:41,800 --> 02:21:44,680
consumption-based tier.

3879
02:21:44,680 --> 02:21:46,000
That I just love to hear like the

3880
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:48,440
rationale behind that in more detail and

3881
02:21:48,440 --> 02:21:49,960
like your all's thoughts would be really

3882
02:21:49,960 --> 02:21:50,320
helpful.

3883
02:21:50,320 --> 02:21:52,280
>> We didn't do it based on lot sizes.

3884
02:21:52,280 --> 02:21:54,040
>> We did We did by meter size.

3885
02:21:54,040 --> 02:21:55,560
meter size instead of just

3886
02:21:55,560 --> 02:21:57,760
pure consumption.

3887
02:21:57,760 --> 02:21:59,480
Yes, they they

3888
02:21:59,480 --> 02:22:01,160
yes, we can provide you understand what

3889
02:22:01,160 --> 02:22:03,480
I'm saying is like yes yes it is also

3890
02:22:03,480 --> 02:22:06,670
meter size.

3891
02:22:06,680 --> 02:22:08,040
Uh

3892
02:22:08,040 --> 02:22:10,200
Yeah, explain just my understanding is

3893
02:22:10,200 --> 02:22:12,280
based on the the size of the pipe

3894
02:22:12,280 --> 02:22:14,480
effectively property based on

3895
02:22:14,480 --> 02:22:16,440
consumption based on the

3896
02:22:16,440 --> 02:22:17,760
just like the total amount of water you

3897
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:19,800
use. It is based on the total amount of

3898
02:22:19,800 --> 02:22:22,040
water you use. But it's a it's a hybrid

3899
02:22:22,040 --> 02:22:23,160
model.

3900
02:22:23,160 --> 02:22:24,920
For the different Can you help me out

3901
02:22:24,920 --> 02:22:26,640
here? We can explain it. Okay, I'll just

3902
02:22:26,640 --> 02:22:27,920
yeah, just explain to me. Get me caught

3903
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:29,600
up. Thank you.

3904
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:30,400
All right, we're going to take a

3905
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:32,120
5-minute break. We're still totally

3906
02:22:32,120 --> 02:22:33,800
running way behind.

3907
02:22:33,800 --> 02:22:38,270
But

3908
02:22:38,280 --> 02:22:41,160
No, we are not caught up.

3909
02:22:41,160 --> 02:22:43,120
We're half an hour behind. I'm sorry.

3910
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:47,350
So, you have 5 minutes.

3911
02:22:47,360 --> 02:22:51,150
Pardon?

3912
02:22:51,160 --> 02:22:53,880
Our next presentation is at 3:00. 2:53

3913
02:22:53,880 --> 02:22:56,520
2:55

3914
02:22:56,520 --> 02:23:02,390
How tall is it worth?

3915
02:23:02,400 --> 02:23:03,320
It

3916
02:23:03,320 --> 02:23:05,240
has to do with how big your property

3917
02:23:05,240 --> 02:23:06,520
Yeah. Yeah.

3918
02:23:06,520 --> 02:23:09,920
So, it gives somewhat of a break because

3919
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:12,320
someone can be conserving awesomely, but

3920
02:23:12,320 --> 02:23:15,040
they have bigger and bigger property

3921
02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:17,680
orchard. If you've got a bigger pipe

3922
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:19,600
Now, presentation regarding the 2027

3923
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:22,720
budget of development services.

3924
02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:24,160
Thank you.

3925
02:23:24,160 --> 02:23:26,160
I really like really like working with

3926
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:27,800
Gordon Hayden public works cuz they

3927
02:23:27,800 --> 02:23:29,720
always make me look good compared to

3928
02:23:29,720 --> 02:23:31,840
their budget and my budget is small and

3929
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:33,600
simple.

3930
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:34,920
Hopefully we'll help get help get you

3931
02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:37,520
back on track as far as your time.

3932
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:39,720
So, over the past 5 years development

3933
02:23:39,720 --> 02:23:41,800
services has eliminated three positions

3934
02:23:41,800 --> 02:23:43,800
to help balance the city's budget. Two

3935
02:23:43,800 --> 02:23:44,840
of those positions were at the

3936
02:23:44,840 --> 02:23:46,600
management level.

3937
02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:47,920
You'll see in this presentation that

3938
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:49,400
we're proposing eliminating another

3939
02:23:49,400 --> 02:23:52,400
position in order to fund creating a

3940
02:23:52,400 --> 02:23:56,430
more needed position.

3941
02:23:56,440 --> 02:23:58,160
There are There was no mid-year budget

3942
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,200
adjustment.

3943
02:24:00,200 --> 02:24:02,520
I came to you the budget adjustments

3944
02:24:02,520 --> 02:24:04,360
were going to ask for for the coming

3945
02:24:04,360 --> 02:24:05,680
year.

3946
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:07,480
Are these things here?

3947
02:24:07,480 --> 02:24:10,200
Parking enforcement needs two license

3948
02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:12,840
plate readers. One is to update an

3949
02:24:12,840 --> 02:24:15,480
existing one and one is a new one.

3950
02:24:15,480 --> 02:24:16,880
Sandy can talk to you in more detail if

3951
02:24:16,880 --> 02:24:19,000
you'd like, but these LPRs are not what

3952
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:20,520
the police talked to you about a couple

3953
02:24:20,520 --> 02:24:22,440
weeks ago. They do not access the all

3954
02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:23,720
the private information, personal

3955
02:24:23,720 --> 02:24:25,720
information that the police department

3956
02:24:25,720 --> 02:24:28,160
has access to. So, that's not really an

3957
02:24:28,160 --> 02:24:31,160
issue with these LPRs.

3958
02:24:31,160 --> 02:24:33,920
This uh 600,000 from development

3959
02:24:33,920 --> 02:24:39,400
services uh from uh RDA is going to repay public works

3960
02:24:39,400 --> 02:24:42,520
for the fill that's been put at the site

3961
02:24:42,520 --> 02:24:45,000
down on Lake View Parkway and the I-15.

3962
02:24:45,000 --> 02:24:46,400
There's been a lien put on that property

3963
02:24:46,400 --> 02:24:47,960
that would repay

3964
02:24:47,960 --> 02:24:49,240
this money

3965
02:24:49,240 --> 02:24:51,680
um when the property sells.

3966
02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:52,960
Wait, I'm I'm sorry. Can you explain

3967
02:24:52,960 --> 02:24:54,120
that again?

3968
02:24:54,120 --> 02:24:58,200
This is a $600,000 transfer from RDA

3969
02:24:58,200 --> 02:25:00,920
funds to public works to reimburse

3970
02:25:00,920 --> 02:25:03,480
public works for the trucking costs of

3971
02:25:03,480 --> 02:25:05,960
moving fill onto the site at Lake View

3972
02:25:05,960 --> 02:25:08,200
Parkway and the I-15.

3973
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:11,600
Like the Walmart land? Yes.

3974
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:13,160
Oh, is this part Okay, is this part of

3975
02:25:13,160 --> 02:25:14,720
the 1 million that we put towards the

3976
02:25:14,720 --> 02:25:16,120
grocery store?

3977
02:25:16,120 --> 02:25:18,480
Um this is part of the entire package.

3978
02:25:18,480 --> 02:25:19,680
This

3979
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:21,280
There's 1 million of COVID money, that's

3980
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:23,440
separate from this. This is in addition

3981
02:25:23,440 --> 02:25:27,000
to that. It helps buy down the ask from

3982
02:25:27,000 --> 02:25:29,120
the city on the property.

3983
02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:30,680
Whoever develops that property in the

3984
02:25:30,680 --> 02:25:32,280
future, whether it's Walmart or somebody

3985
02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:34,280
else, they have to lift the property.

3986
02:25:34,280 --> 02:25:37,320
It's a value to them. So, they've signed

3987
02:25:37,320 --> 02:25:39,000
a lien to guarantee the city's

3988
02:25:39,000 --> 02:25:39,320
repayment.

3989
02:25:39,320 --> 02:25:40,800
>> are getting that money back. We're

3990
02:25:40,800 --> 02:25:42,640
actually getting the value of fill,

3991
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:44,520
which is more like 900,000.

3992
02:25:44,520 --> 02:25:44,880
>> Okay.

3993
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:47,040
>> And the 900 will go back into the RDA.

3994
02:25:47,040 --> 02:25:49,240
Okay, for some reason I understood that

3995
02:25:49,240 --> 02:25:50,760
um

3996
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:52,800
we were doing the million for a grocery

3997
02:25:52,800 --> 02:25:54,080
store towards that and they didn't have

3998
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:55,880
to pay it back. So

3999
02:25:55,880 --> 02:25:57,440
>> That's the That's the COVID money.

4000
02:25:57,440 --> 02:25:59,440
That's the

4001
02:25:59,440 --> 02:26:00,920
But it's not going towards the fill

4002
02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:03,040
dirt. No. So what's what's the COVID

4003
02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:05,720
money doing right now?

4004
02:26:05,720 --> 02:26:07,960
Is it just sitting there? Yes, that's

4005
02:26:07,960 --> 02:26:12,390
right. It hasn't been spent.

4006
02:26:12,400 --> 02:26:14,240
Uh the last one is for the building

4007
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:15,480
division.

4008
02:26:15,480 --> 02:26:17,360
Um

4009
02:26:17,360 --> 02:26:20,040
a bottleneck we have in our department

4010
02:26:20,040 --> 02:26:21,720
in the building division is that plan

4011
02:26:21,720 --> 02:26:22,960
review.

4012
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:24,600
We have one plan one person does plan

4013
02:26:24,600 --> 02:26:26,320
reviews plan checks.

4014
02:26:26,320 --> 02:26:30,920
Um the $17,000 is for an AI um program

4015
02:26:30,920 --> 02:26:33,480
to help us with plan review.

4016
02:26:33,480 --> 02:26:36,840
Okay, I would like to eventually hire a

4017
02:26:36,840 --> 02:26:38,960
full-time another full-time plan

4018
02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:41,240
reviewer, but this is the first step

4019
02:26:41,240 --> 02:26:43,000
towards solving that problem in a much

4020
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:45,320
more economical way than paying for

4021
02:26:45,320 --> 02:26:47,720
another employee. Okay.

4022
02:26:47,720 --> 02:26:49,160
And this may end up solving our problem

4023
02:26:49,160 --> 02:26:51,080
completely. Well, we'll have to see.

4024
02:26:51,080 --> 02:26:53,000
This is for one-year contract to test

4025
02:26:53,000 --> 02:26:54,720
this out and see how it

4026
02:26:54,720 --> 02:26:56,400
works. Honda has already done quite a

4027
02:26:56,400 --> 02:26:57,760
bit of testing with this, so we have a

4028
02:26:57,760 --> 02:27:00,280
high level of confidence with it.

4029
02:27:00,280 --> 02:27:02,400
Also, we feel like we need a new field

4030
02:27:02,400 --> 02:27:03,760
inspector.

4031
02:27:03,760 --> 02:27:05,680
The field inspectors have been spread

4032
02:27:05,680 --> 02:27:06,960
pretty thin and it's not really

4033
02:27:06,960 --> 02:27:08,520
sustainable. We're kind of sticking our

4034
02:27:08,520 --> 02:27:10,560
necks out as far as that goes.

4035
02:27:10,560 --> 02:27:12,640
So, I'm going to propose shifting some

4036
02:27:12,640 --> 02:27:15,360
things around to be able to fund that.

4037
02:27:15,360 --> 02:27:17,040
Well, but you're paying for it with an

4038
02:27:17,040 --> 02:27:18,280
open planner position.

4039
02:27:18,280 --> 02:27:19,760
>> Right. And you think you're not going to

4040
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:21,720
miss that?

4041
02:27:21,720 --> 02:27:23,360
open planner position has been open

4042
02:27:23,360 --> 02:27:24,800
for quite some time. We haven't filled

4043
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:26,680
it. I mean, I've got two planner

4044
02:27:26,680 --> 02:27:29,040
positions. One I just filled. New plan

4045
02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:31,240
new planner just started yesterday. And

4046
02:27:31,240 --> 02:27:33,000
planner Natasha Robinson just resigned a

4047
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:34,160
week ago.

4048
02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:36,160
So, I'll be filling her spot, but this

4049
02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:38,040
is the third position that we have had

4050
02:27:38,040 --> 02:27:40,280
unfilled in the department for

4051
02:27:40,280 --> 02:27:41,760
a couple years.

4052
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:44,280
Okay. Councilwoman Ogden.

4053
02:27:44,280 --> 02:27:45,400
Okay.

4054
02:27:45,400 --> 02:27:47,080
So, we keep on rotating through

4055
02:27:47,080 --> 02:27:48,320
planners.

4056
02:27:48,320 --> 02:27:52,360
Why? Cuz Aaron is so hard to work for.

4057
02:27:52,360 --> 02:27:54,040
So, if we replace Aaron, then

4058
02:27:54,040 --> 02:27:56,840
everything's going to be great?

4059
02:27:56,840 --> 02:27:58,480
Um

4060
02:27:58,480 --> 02:28:00,480
Yeah, I was actually uh surprised that

4061
02:28:00,480 --> 02:28:02,360
we lost Nancy. She got offered a got a

4062
02:28:02,360 --> 02:28:04,600
job at BYU where she was before she came

4063
02:28:04,600 --> 02:28:06,600
here. Um

4064
02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:09,400
so, that was a surprise to us. Um but I

4065
02:28:09,400 --> 02:28:10,600
think

4066
02:28:10,600 --> 02:28:12,080
uh and the planner before that we lost

4067
02:28:12,080 --> 02:28:14,160
simply because her husband graduated and

4068
02:28:14,160 --> 02:28:15,960
took a job in Montana.

4069
02:28:15,960 --> 02:28:17,880
So, I don't think it's really a

4070
02:28:17,880 --> 02:28:19,880
management issue. I think it's just Or a

4071
02:28:19,880 --> 02:28:22,480
pay issue or No, we've worked hard to

4072
02:28:22,480 --> 02:28:25,280
make our pay compatible and competitive

4073
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:26,280
and

4074
02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:27,760
HR's been very good at working with us

4075
02:28:27,760 --> 02:28:30,350
on that.

4076
02:28:30,360 --> 02:28:32,720
You just think it's just uh

4077
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:35,960
Poor timing, yeah. Fluke, yeah. I don't

4078
02:28:35,960 --> 02:28:38,800
expect it to continue.

4079
02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:40,560
Aaron, lighten up.

4080
02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:43,480
Now, the state has

4081
02:28:43,480 --> 02:28:44,520
things in place where we have to do

4082
02:28:44,520 --> 02:28:46,320
inspections so many days and that,

4083
02:28:46,320 --> 02:28:47,800
right?

4084
02:28:47,800 --> 02:28:50,400
Yes, um Are we we're still meeting those

4085
02:28:50,400 --> 02:28:50,960
goals and that?

4086
02:28:50,960 --> 02:28:53,280
>> Yes, still meeting those goals now, but

4087
02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:55,880
still plan review is a backlog and so,

4088
02:28:55,880 --> 02:28:58,160
if we can get

4089
02:28:58,160 --> 02:28:59,880
rather than taking 21 days to get an

4090
02:28:59,880 --> 02:29:02,200
industrial plan approved, it would be

4091
02:29:02,200 --> 02:29:04,480
nice to be able to do that in 14 or 7.

4092
02:29:04,480 --> 02:29:05,720
Oh, for sure. That's what we're talking

4093
02:29:05,720 --> 02:29:13,870
about. Like seven. Yeah.

4094
02:29:13,880 --> 02:29:15,320
The areas that we're not quite covering

4095
02:29:15,320 --> 02:29:18,440
costs are the parking permit

4096
02:29:18,440 --> 02:29:20,560
areas. We're getting better, but we're

4097
02:29:20,560 --> 02:29:23,200
still not full recovery. Then RDLs are

4098
02:29:23,200 --> 02:29:24,960
still short because we're not allowed to

4099
02:29:24,960 --> 02:29:27,080
raise this fee enough to cover

4100
02:29:27,080 --> 02:29:28,880
inspections. The state law won't allow

4101
02:29:28,880 --> 02:29:29,920
us

4102
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:31,800
to cover inspections in an RDL. But,

4103
02:29:31,800 --> 02:29:32,000
we're

4104
02:29:32,000 --> 02:29:33,480
>> working on getting that redone, staff.

4105
02:29:33,480 --> 02:29:35,840
Yes, that's still coming to you.

4106
02:29:35,840 --> 02:29:38,240
Yeah. Just quickly, how much would we

4107
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:41,040
need to charge on the parking permit

4108
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:44,320
fees in order to get full cost recovery?

4109
02:29:44,320 --> 02:29:46,520
Cuz we do have a lot of people reaching

4110
02:29:46,520 --> 02:29:48,280
out that are just appalled that we've

4111
02:29:48,280 --> 02:29:52,400
gone from $15 to 100 per year. And so,

4112
02:29:52,400 --> 02:29:55,280
if if we could reiterate how much the

4113
02:29:55,280 --> 02:29:57,160
city is still subsidizing it, that might

4114
02:29:57,160 --> 02:29:58,960
be helpful. You're talking about the

4115
02:29:58,960 --> 02:30:02,310
front.

4116
02:30:02,320 --> 02:30:03,720
Flip it up. Turn his volume up. All

4117
02:30:03,720 --> 02:30:07,110
right, thanks.

4118
02:30:07,120 --> 02:30:11,160
When I calculated University Garden,

4119
02:30:11,160 --> 02:30:14,040
and if we ever decided to do something

4120
02:30:14,040 --> 02:30:16,840
on Slate Canyon, it came to about

4121
02:30:16,840 --> 02:30:19,280
approximately $297

4122
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,200
a year per resident

4123
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:23,280
per permit.

4124
02:30:23,280 --> 02:30:25,200
Wow.

4125
02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:27,600
That's up 15, right?

4126
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:30,240
That's up from 15. That's up from 15.

4127
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:32,360
And so, the 100,

4128
02:30:32,360 --> 02:30:34,080
we started, like you guys know, with

4129
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:35,880
Carter about half of that.

4130
02:30:35,880 --> 02:30:38,840
And then, it just seemed to be more cost

4131
02:30:38,840 --> 02:30:41,520
absorbing. Um, Council Woodcock. What is

4132
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:45,200
the, um, like the patrol or level of

4133
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:47,960
service assumption baked into that?

4134
02:30:47,960 --> 02:30:49,520
Um,

4135
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:51,600
depending on the size. University Garden

4136
02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:53,520
is so much bigger. Um,

4137
02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:57,080
I figure we figure about

4138
02:30:57,080 --> 02:30:59,760
20 to 25%

4139
02:30:59,760 --> 02:31:02,480
Um, for University Garden, we have

4140
02:31:02,480 --> 02:31:03,960
difficulty

4141
02:31:03,960 --> 02:31:07,360
uh difficulty hitting the entire area in

4142
02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:09,920
one night. So, we kind of

4143
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:10,800
uh

4144
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:13,320
alter that a little bit. Slate Canyon, I

4145
02:31:13,320 --> 02:31:17,560
figured about 2 or 3%. But again, it's

4146
02:31:17,560 --> 02:31:20,440
still all of that those costs that we

4147
02:31:20,440 --> 02:31:21,760
gave,

4148
02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:23,600
it's it's very

4149
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:25,960
What what I'm more asking is how often

4150
02:31:25,960 --> 02:31:27,160
are we

4151
02:31:27,160 --> 02:31:29,680
patrol or like uh patrolling or checking

4152
02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:31,240
as a given

4153
02:31:31,240 --> 02:31:34,120
house or given place? Like I said, um

4154
02:31:34,120 --> 02:31:36,680
University Garden, we cannot get through

4155
02:31:36,680 --> 02:31:39,200
the entire permit area in one single

4156
02:31:39,200 --> 02:31:46,360
night. So, hopefully we're checking a residence once every

4157
02:31:46,360 --> 02:31:49,680
three or four times a week, but we're

4158
02:31:49,680 --> 02:31:53,200
trying to alter it. Um because of with

4159
02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:56,520
the Carter bill, University Garden, uh

4160
02:31:56,520 --> 02:31:58,080
we have the parking management on

4161
02:31:58,080 --> 02:31:59,640
Sepulveda Canyon. And I'm not trying to

4162
02:31:59,640 --> 02:32:01,360
be vague, I'm just trying to kind of do

4163
02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:03,400
the same thing. Plus all of the other

4164
02:32:03,400 --> 02:32:05,840
parking management that we do,

4165
02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:07,360
um and the calls that we're taking from

4166
02:32:07,360 --> 02:32:08,920
that for dispatch. So, on average it's

4167
02:32:08,920 --> 02:32:11,000
like once every couple days?

4168
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:12,360
It depends on the area. Like I said,

4169
02:32:12,360 --> 02:32:14,240
25%. So, during the week it's getting

4170
02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:15,960
hit about 25% of the time. Yeah. But

4171
02:32:15,960 --> 02:32:18,400
other areas like Saticoy are 2%. Yeah.

4172
02:32:18,400 --> 02:32:21,520
Or 2% so Saticoy is 2%

4173
02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:24,280
And so, we will actually go down the

4174
02:32:24,280 --> 02:32:26,000
road, you know, Sepulveda Canyon

4175
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:28,800
multiple times on different calls. Okay.

4176
02:32:28,800 --> 02:32:31,200
But Does that answer your question? Or

4177
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:32,440
did that give it a little bit of a

4178
02:32:32,440 --> 02:32:35,480
better answer? I'm sorry. Yeah, I think

4179
02:32:35,480 --> 02:32:38,240
part of the question is is it necessary

4180
02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:40,760
really to patrol those every single

4181
02:32:40,760 --> 02:32:43,760
night in order to get compliance? Like

4182
02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:46,240
do we need to spend that much employee

4183
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:48,120
time in order to fulfill the

4184
02:32:48,120 --> 02:32:50,920
requirements of the program? Yes. Yes.

4185
02:32:50,920 --> 02:32:53,640
Okay. Yes, absolutely. Yes. And it also

4186
02:32:53,640 --> 02:32:56,080
right now we're Um so, any of your old

4187
02:32:56,080 --> 02:32:57,760
license plate readers, they all factor

4188
02:32:57,760 --> 02:33:00,440
into that or down to us.

4189
02:33:00,440 --> 02:33:01,320
But

4190
02:33:01,320 --> 02:33:04,320
yes, especially in the University Garden

4191
02:33:04,320 --> 02:33:07,480
area and Carter bill, absolutely. Good.

4192
02:33:07,480 --> 02:33:13,110
Thank you.

4193
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:15,320
So, this is my proposal to pay for the

4194
02:33:15,320 --> 02:33:17,520
things that we've asked for.

4195
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:23,790
Um

4196
02:33:23,800 --> 02:33:27,120
All right, these would be reoccurring costs, rather.

4197
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:28,040
Um

4198
02:33:28,040 --> 02:33:29,680
we believe we can pay this out of the

4199
02:33:29,680 --> 02:33:32,280
increased plan check fee, and we can pay

4200
02:33:32,280 --> 02:33:34,120
for this out of the

4201
02:33:34,120 --> 02:33:35,000
uh

4202
02:33:35,000 --> 02:33:42,990
trading the planner position.

4203
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:45,640
Um as uh we understand very well, the

4204
02:33:45,640 --> 02:33:46,960
zoning enforcement has been a top

4205
02:33:46,960 --> 02:33:49,200
priority for the council, and um the

4206
02:33:49,200 --> 02:33:51,560
blitzes have been very successful. Uh

4207
02:33:51,560 --> 02:33:52,520
but there's certainly increasing

4208
02:33:52,520 --> 02:33:55,040
caseload. So, if we continue with those

4209
02:33:55,040 --> 02:33:57,680
blitzes on a regular basis, we may be

4210
02:33:57,680 --> 02:34:00,440
back in another year or so asking for a

4211
02:34:00,440 --> 02:34:01,800
another zoning enforcement person to

4212
02:34:01,800 --> 02:34:04,040
keep up with the increased caseload that

4213
02:34:04,040 --> 02:34:09,310
this could cause.

4214
02:34:09,320 --> 02:34:12,760
Uh performance measures, um

4215
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:16,080
the disparity in these numbers are that

4216
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:18,000
at this point we were counting zoning

4217
02:34:18,000 --> 02:34:20,200
verification applications as planning

4218
02:34:20,200 --> 02:34:21,880
applications, and they probably

4219
02:34:21,880 --> 02:34:24,560
shouldn't have. So, we stopped counting

4220
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:26,080
them here.

4221
02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:27,120
Um

4222
02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:28,680
if you were to throw this back in, you'd

4223
02:34:28,680 --> 02:34:31,200
probably be looking at another 50 or 75

4224
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:33,200
added to that number.

4225
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:34,160
Um

4226
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:35,560
but that's a big reason for the

4227
02:34:35,560 --> 02:34:40,350
disparity there.

4228
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:42,200
Just some of the accomplishments of the

4229
02:34:42,200 --> 02:34:43,680
department. So, one thing I would like

4230
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:46,080
to point out in particular are the

4231
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:48,200
written warnings that parking gets. I

4232
02:34:48,200 --> 02:34:50,640
know there's a lot of discussion about

4233
02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:52,880
parking and the job they do. I feel like

4234
02:34:52,880 --> 02:34:55,200
Sandy has does a really good job

4235
02:34:55,200 --> 02:34:58,280
balancing giving warnings and educating

4236
02:34:58,280 --> 02:35:00,240
people on what they can and cannot do

4237
02:35:00,240 --> 02:35:02,760
with the writing citations.

4238
02:35:02,760 --> 02:35:04,800
And with the potential revenue, do we

4239
02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:07,280
take those things to collections, or how

4240
02:35:07,280 --> 02:35:10,040
come Yes. Yep. And we have seen an

4241
02:35:10,040 --> 02:35:11,280
increase in what we've been able to

4242
02:35:11,280 --> 02:35:14,040
collect, and so that's helping to fund

4243
02:35:14,040 --> 02:35:18,790
some of the things we've talked about.

4244
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:20,520
Other key accomplishments in planning

4245
02:35:20,520 --> 02:35:27,870
and in CBG and home.

4246
02:35:27,880 --> 02:35:29,400
The the increase in the down payment

4247
02:35:29,400 --> 02:35:31,200
assistance has been huge.

4248
02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:37,230
That's a big jump in that number.

4249
02:35:37,240 --> 02:35:38,680
Yeah, down payment assistance has gone

4250
02:35:38,680 --> 02:35:42,230
to 60,000. So, yeah.

4251
02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:44,960
And then, um

4252
02:35:44,960 --> 02:35:55,550
Melissa, get ready cuz you're up.

4253
02:35:55,560 --> 02:35:58,160
Bill, so you're sure in that you don't

4254
02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:01,760
need any more employees?

4255
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:03,840
Um

4256
02:36:03,840 --> 02:36:05,040
I feel like it's a miracle you've asked

4257
02:36:05,040 --> 02:36:06,800
for anything.

4258
02:36:06,800 --> 02:36:09,040
Yeah, so

4259
02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:11,480
um I try to be very careful I know you

4260
02:36:11,480 --> 02:36:13,920
>> sure that everybody's busy 40 hours a

4261
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:16,560
week, but not strained.

4262
02:36:16,560 --> 02:36:18,280
I'm want to make sure that our resources

4263
02:36:18,280 --> 02:36:20,160
are all being used fully before I ask

4264
02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:22,560
for more people because of what a large

4265
02:36:22,560 --> 02:36:25,200
ongoing expense that is to the city.

4266
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:26,680
So, I feel like what we're doing now is

4267
02:36:26,680 --> 02:36:28,200
manageable,

4268
02:36:28,200 --> 02:36:30,080
but I need a field inspector

4269
02:36:30,080 --> 02:36:32,440
and I need help with plan review. If the

4270
02:36:32,440 --> 02:36:34,120
things I propose solve our problems,

4271
02:36:34,120 --> 02:36:36,360
we'll be good. If not, then I'll be back

4272
02:36:36,360 --> 02:36:38,200
and I'll probably have to ask for more

4273
02:36:38,200 --> 02:36:39,680
help on the building side building

4274
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:40,680
division.

4275
02:36:40,680 --> 02:36:41,160
If that's

4276
02:36:41,160 --> 02:36:43,320
>> we're sacrificing in planning, just so

4277
02:36:43,320 --> 02:36:44,600
you know,

4278
02:36:44,600 --> 02:36:47,000
um the reduction in planning staff has

4279
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:48,880
affected long-range planning. We're not

4280
02:36:48,880 --> 02:36:50,320
doing the neighborhood plans the way we

4281
02:36:50,320 --> 02:36:52,160
used to and we have been sidetracked

4282
02:36:52,160 --> 02:36:54,240
with station area plans and some other

4283
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:55,960
long-range projects like writing the new

4284
02:36:55,960 --> 02:36:57,920
zoning ordinance, but we're not getting

4285
02:36:57,920 --> 02:36:58,880
the neighborhood plans done the

4286
02:36:58,880 --> 02:37:00,640
long-range projects. That's what's been

4287
02:37:00,640 --> 02:37:04,440
sacrificed in losing positions.

4288
02:37:04,440 --> 02:37:06,160
But, you'll come to us before the next

4289
02:37:06,160 --> 02:37:08,120
budget season if something is a problem.

4290
02:37:08,120 --> 02:37:09,600
Yes. Okay.

4291
02:37:09,600 --> 02:37:14,150
Long as Scott lets me.

4292
02:37:14,160 --> 02:37:15,360
Okay.

4293
02:37:15,360 --> 02:37:18,320
Um my budget stuff's pretty simple.

4294
02:37:18,320 --> 02:37:22,080
Um

4295
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:24,040
we have increased our

4296
02:37:24,040 --> 02:37:24,760
um

4297
02:37:24,760 --> 02:37:26,240
the amount of down payment assistance

4298
02:37:26,240 --> 02:37:27,960
that we've given in the past year, which

4299
02:37:27,960 --> 02:37:30,200
is really um it's really great. We did a

4300
02:37:30,200 --> 02:37:33,640
few minor changes or to the programs

4301
02:37:33,640 --> 02:37:35,680
that has been beneficial.

4302
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:38,240
Um and we're doing a really good job of

4303
02:37:38,240 --> 02:37:39,560
marketing

4304
02:37:39,560 --> 02:37:41,920
um the program.

4305
02:37:41,920 --> 02:37:43,200
Um

4306
02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:45,080
see.

4307
02:37:45,080 --> 02:37:47,800
Um this is just what we've done so far

4308
02:37:47,800 --> 02:37:51,080
in 2026. The bottom the bottom part um

4309
02:37:51,080 --> 02:37:53,880
10 down payment assistance loans just in

4310
02:37:53,880 --> 02:37:57,840
the first quarter. Um we've

4311
02:37:57,840 --> 02:38:00,350
um

4312
02:38:00,360 --> 02:38:02,680
completed our the Well, I've completed

4313
02:38:02,680 --> 02:38:05,880
my first project area plan. Yay. Um

4314
02:38:05,880 --> 02:38:07,840
working on policies and procedures in a

4315
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:14,670
and the HTRC around the fire station.

4316
02:38:14,680 --> 02:38:18,670
Is that it? That's it. That's it.

4317
02:38:18,680 --> 02:38:20,800
And do you have any questions regarding

4318
02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:24,080
RDA or our CDBG and home

4319
02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:26,440
um items?

4320
02:38:26,440 --> 02:38:27,840
Those are separate from the general

4321
02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:34,640
fund. I I think that's why Bill makes me do it by myself because um

4322
02:38:34,640 --> 02:38:36,440
Okay. Thank you. Any questions for

4323
02:38:36,440 --> 02:38:37,520
Melissa?

4324
02:38:37,520 --> 02:38:42,950
No, thanks Melissa. Thanks.

4325
02:38:42,960 --> 02:38:44,720
All right. Is that it, Bill?

4326
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:48,000
Oh, you have helped us

4327
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:49,560
a lot. We're back on schedule. We're

4328
02:38:49,560 --> 02:38:52,000
ahead of schedule. Wow, we're moving it

4329
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:55,550
up. All right.

4330
02:38:55,560 --> 02:38:58,000
Yeah, three Oh, no, I did my math wrong.

4331
02:38:58,000 --> 02:38:59,160
Thank you.

4332
02:38:59,160 --> 02:39:02,520
We're we're 15 minutes in print. Yes.

4333
02:39:02,520 --> 02:39:04,800
We got we got 50 minutes back. Okay,

4334
02:39:04,800 --> 02:39:06,000
next is a resolution approving the

4335
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:09,000
appropriation of 96,547

4336
02:39:09,000 --> 02:39:11,040
to pay for three new firefighters and

4337
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:13,120
their equipment between May and June for

4338
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:16,400
the fiscal year ending June 30th, 2026.

4339
02:39:16,400 --> 02:39:18,000
And um Chief Headman,

4340
02:39:18,000 --> 02:39:19,840
just make sure you explain why this is

4341
02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:21,680
coming to us now before the budget.

4342
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:22,640
Okay.

4343
02:39:22,640 --> 02:39:27,670
Thanks.

4344
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:29,680
Thank you. Uh appreciate you giving me a

4345
02:39:29,680 --> 02:39:31,800
few minutes to talk about uh why we need

4346
02:39:31,800 --> 02:39:34,800
to add three firefighters.

4347
02:39:34,800 --> 02:39:39,600
I'll start off with why um why we're doing this now.

4348
02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:42,000
Um there's

4349
02:39:42,000 --> 02:39:44,880
the the plan ongoing starting in in

4350
02:39:44,880 --> 02:39:47,160
fiscal year 27 is to fund them off of

4351
02:39:47,160 --> 02:39:48,280
our

4352
02:39:48,280 --> 02:39:50,320
um overtime account. So, we're going to

4353
02:39:50,320 --> 02:39:53,120
reduce that in by a little over $300,000

4354
02:39:53,120 --> 02:39:54,960
to pay for the full-time firefighters

4355
02:39:54,960 --> 02:39:56,600
for the next year.

4356
02:39:56,600 --> 02:39:58,640
The reason there's uh quite a few

4357
02:39:58,640 --> 02:40:00,320
reasons we'd like to bring them in

4358
02:40:00,320 --> 02:40:01,640
early.

4359
02:40:01,640 --> 02:40:07,480
Um but a big one is that it's Well, let

4360
02:40:07,480 --> 02:40:10,120
me just go through this. It'll kind of

4361
02:40:10,120 --> 02:40:12,440
It's not going. I only have ordinances

4362
02:40:12,440 --> 02:40:13,840
that we sent.

4363
02:40:13,840 --> 02:40:15,920
Oh. All right. Well, then I'll do it

4364
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:17,520
without a presentation.

4365
02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:22,150
Sorry about that. Um

4366
02:40:22,160 --> 02:40:24,760
Hopefully that's the right one. It is.

4367
02:40:24,760 --> 02:40:27,080
Okay. So, um

4368
02:40:27,080 --> 02:40:27,960
it

4369
02:40:27,960 --> 02:40:29,520
So, you didn't get one in your packet

4370
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:33,910
either a presentation. Did you get this?

4371
02:40:33,920 --> 02:40:35,920
No. Okay.

4372
02:40:35,920 --> 02:40:38,000
I'll be even more detailed cuz I thought

4373
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:40,120
I I thought there were three documents

4374
02:40:40,120 --> 02:40:43,320
submitted. So, that's my mistake.

4375
02:40:43,320 --> 02:40:45,040
Um so,

4376
02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:50,440
the appropriation is for $60,000

4377
02:40:50,440 --> 02:40:53,840
for the three salaries for two months

4378
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:57,000
and then a $39,000 for equipment which

4379
02:40:57,000 --> 02:40:59,280
gets them personal protective equipment

4380
02:40:59,280 --> 02:41:02,200
as well as radios and and some other

4381
02:41:02,200 --> 02:41:04,840
um equipment, uniforms, and stuff they

4382
02:41:04,840 --> 02:41:07,080
need to to perform.

4383
02:41:07,080 --> 02:41:10,870
Um

4384
02:41:10,880 --> 02:41:16,800
The fire department when we staff the fire department, every day we allow

4385
02:41:16,800 --> 02:41:18,480
five people off.

4386
02:41:18,480 --> 02:41:21,000
So that allows us to keep a minimum

4387
02:41:21,000 --> 02:41:23,840
level of staffing at every fire station.

4388
02:41:23,840 --> 02:41:25,560
And as soon as we have a sixth person

4389
02:41:25,560 --> 02:41:28,120
off for any reason, that requires us to

4390
02:41:28,120 --> 02:41:30,440
call back an overtime person.

4391
02:41:30,440 --> 02:41:34,200
Which last year happened 330 out of 365

4392
02:41:34,200 --> 02:41:38,360
days. So the the offset of the savings

4393
02:41:38,360 --> 02:41:40,080
for overtime easily pays for the

4394
02:41:40,080 --> 02:41:42,600
position. The reason it's not paying for

4395
02:41:42,600 --> 02:41:45,520
it this current why we can't save it in

4396
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:47,920
this current budget year is that for the

4397
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:49,920
first two months of hiring in a new

4398
02:41:49,920 --> 02:41:55,600
employee, they're not on shift. They're in training. So they're not

4399
02:41:55,600 --> 02:41:58,240
helping us in the helping us reduce our

4400
02:41:58,240 --> 02:42:00,760
overtime budget for that that two months

4401
02:42:00,760 --> 02:42:02,040
of training.

4402
02:42:02,040 --> 02:42:04,710
Um

4403
02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:10,680
We we hire

4404
02:42:10,680 --> 02:42:12,480
There's one of the reasons that we

4405
02:42:12,480 --> 02:42:15,360
wanted to hire now is

4406
02:42:15,360 --> 02:42:17,360
we're we're down two employees. We have

4407
02:42:17,360 --> 02:42:19,120
a third one that's about to retire. So

4408
02:42:19,120 --> 02:42:20,840
we need three.

4409
02:42:20,840 --> 02:42:22,840
Um and then we we want to hire the

4410
02:42:22,840 --> 02:42:25,600
additional three so we can run one camp

4411
02:42:25,600 --> 02:42:26,960
in May,

4412
02:42:26,960 --> 02:42:30,880
get them all trained up and then they're all on shift starting in July.

4413
02:42:30,880 --> 02:42:32,080
Uh which

4414
02:42:32,080 --> 02:42:34,080
helps for a number of reasons. It helps

4415
02:42:34,080 --> 02:42:36,280
us provide a better training opportunity

4416
02:42:36,280 --> 02:42:38,120
for the new employees

4417
02:42:38,120 --> 02:42:39,960
by having um

4418
02:42:39,960 --> 02:42:42,520
more people in training, we're able to

4419
02:42:42,520 --> 02:42:44,120
function more like a real fire

4420
02:42:44,120 --> 02:42:47,160
department in training. So when we when

4421
02:42:47,160 --> 02:42:48,960
we go to a fire, we don't just go with

4422
02:42:48,960 --> 02:42:50,160
one station, we go with multiple

4423
02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:51,640
stations. So it allows us to have two

4424
02:42:51,640 --> 02:42:55,040
companies to do training together and it

4425
02:42:55,040 --> 02:42:57,600
makes it a whole lot more realistic.

4426
02:42:57,600 --> 02:43:01,200
Um the one of the other big reasons we

4427
02:43:01,200 --> 02:43:03,360
would like to hire earlier

4428
02:43:03,360 --> 02:43:06,040
is we started interviewing for the three

4429
02:43:06,040 --> 02:43:09,360
positions we know about uh

4430
02:43:09,360 --> 02:43:11,920
after we did a test in February.

4431
02:43:11,920 --> 02:43:14,280
And by the time we were making offers to

4432
02:43:14,280 --> 02:43:15,560
them

4433
02:43:15,560 --> 02:43:17,720
two weeks ago

4434
02:43:17,720 --> 02:43:19,040
we'd already two of them had already

4435
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:22,200
taken jobs in other fire departments. So

4436
02:43:22,200 --> 02:43:24,360
the the timing is important to get the

4437
02:43:24,360 --> 02:43:27,720
best talent in in Provo. So we we we

4438
02:43:27,720 --> 02:43:29,240
feel like it's

4439
02:43:29,240 --> 02:43:31,160
to our benefit to hire we we have a

4440
02:43:31,160 --> 02:43:33,960
great candidate pool that's at least

4441
02:43:33,960 --> 02:43:36,680
five or six deep.

4442
02:43:36,680 --> 02:43:38,760
We we haven't interviewed if we get

4443
02:43:38,760 --> 02:43:40,640
approved an appropriation for the

4444
02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:42,160
additional three we'll interview three

4445
02:43:42,160 --> 02:43:44,080
more candidates.

4446
02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:45,960
Uh which is a civil service requirement

4447
02:43:45,960 --> 02:43:48,280
that we test we interview 10 for each

4448
02:43:48,280 --> 02:43:49,560
position.

4449
02:43:49,560 --> 02:43:50,800
So for the

4450
02:43:50,800 --> 02:43:53,640
first three we we interviewed 12 if that

4451
02:43:53,640 --> 02:43:58,790
makes sense. Um

4452
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:00,840
Let's see.

4453
02:44:00,840 --> 02:44:02,040
This uh

4454
02:44:02,040 --> 02:44:04,560
by doing this one camp also saves us a

4455
02:44:04,560 --> 02:44:07,240
lot of overtime at cost because when we

4456
02:44:07,240 --> 02:44:09,120
run a camp we have some people we have a

4457
02:44:09,120 --> 02:44:10,880
training division that does a portion of

4458
02:44:10,880 --> 02:44:13,360
the training but we have to bring in

4459
02:44:13,360 --> 02:44:16,520
experts in their field to train them in

4460
02:44:16,520 --> 02:44:18,240
EMS or

4461
02:44:18,240 --> 02:44:19,800
whether it's some kind of technical

4462
02:44:19,800 --> 02:44:22,200
rescue or different disciplines in the

4463
02:44:22,200 --> 02:44:24,000
departments we bring in the right people

4464
02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:25,320
to teach them

4465
02:44:25,320 --> 02:44:27,480
through the through the training program

4466
02:44:27,480 --> 02:44:29,000
in addition to the people that are there

4467
02:44:29,000 --> 02:44:30,440
every day.

4468
02:44:30,440 --> 02:44:35,150
Um

4469
02:44:35,160 --> 02:44:39,000
Sorry, I was counting on a slide.

4470
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:40,120
Well, I think that's what we want to get

4471
02:44:40,120 --> 02:44:41,280
across cuz we talked about this in

4472
02:44:41,280 --> 02:44:42,960
leadership but that

4473
02:44:42,960 --> 02:44:44,240
it is going to save money in the long

4474
02:44:44,240 --> 02:44:47,520
run and the department needs it ASAP and

4475
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:50,440
my training save money save overtime. So

4476
02:44:50,440 --> 02:44:52,920
covering this for two months before the

4477
02:44:52,920 --> 02:44:54,880
year budget picks it up. Yeah, it will

4478
02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:55,920
help us

4479
02:44:55,920 --> 02:44:59,280
a lot to to get the people in the the

4480
02:44:59,280 --> 02:45:01,080
pipeline so they're actually benefiting

4481
02:45:01,080 --> 02:45:03,320
us starting right in July which is our

4482
02:45:03,320 --> 02:45:04,960
busiest time of year.

4483
02:45:04,960 --> 02:45:07,520
Um we already have firefighters

4484
02:45:07,520 --> 02:45:10,400
in Nebraska fighting wildland fires.

4485
02:45:10,400 --> 02:45:12,280
They're going to be out all season long

4486
02:45:12,280 --> 02:45:15,240
I I expect as dry as everything is. So

4487
02:45:15,240 --> 02:45:16,280
>> Well, are there any other questions for

4488
02:45:16,280 --> 02:45:18,440
Chief Hedman about this?

4489
02:45:18,440 --> 02:45:20,040
Okay, I think we're great. Thank you

4490
02:45:20,040 --> 02:45:22,480
Chief. Thank you Chief. Thank you.

4491
02:45:22,480 --> 02:45:27,400
All right, next a resolution to place

4492
02:45:27,400 --> 02:45:29,920
1.92 acre parcel of ground located

4493
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:32,400
approximately 1051 East Birch Lane on

4494
02:45:32,400 --> 02:45:34,680
the surplus property list. This will be

4495
02:45:34,680 --> 02:45:46,710
presented by Tara Riddle.

4496
02:45:46,720 --> 02:45:48,520
Good afternoon.

4497
02:45:48,520 --> 02:45:51,080
I have a little disclaimer. I love

4498
02:45:51,080 --> 02:45:53,360
spring in Utah but it does not love me.

4499
02:45:53,360 --> 02:45:55,880
So I'm having

4500
02:45:55,880 --> 02:45:57,840
a little asthma issue so if I'm a little

4501
02:45:57,840 --> 02:46:02,000
breathy it's not cuz I'm super excited.

4502
02:46:02,000 --> 02:46:03,200
Um

4503
02:46:03,200 --> 02:46:05,440
I've received a couple of comments about

4504
02:46:05,440 --> 02:46:07,120
this item. So

4505
02:46:07,120 --> 02:46:09,240
please forgive me for

4506
02:46:09,240 --> 02:46:11,040
going away from some of the information

4507
02:46:11,040 --> 02:46:13,520
that I provided to you in your packet. I

4508
02:46:13,520 --> 02:46:15,040
thought it might be helpful to give you

4509
02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:18,360
some historical information that was not

4510
02:46:18,360 --> 02:46:20,320
included cuz I didn't realize that it

4511
02:46:20,320 --> 02:46:21,960
would be some of the questions that were

4512
02:46:21,960 --> 02:46:23,880
coming up. So I think this may be

4513
02:46:23,880 --> 02:46:26,680
beneficial as we go with the discussion.

4514
02:46:26,680 --> 02:46:30,040
So I'm going to start way back when

4515
02:46:30,040 --> 02:46:32,640
in 1941

4516
02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:35,040
um BYU acquired some property that's

4517
02:46:35,040 --> 02:46:38,160
adjacent to the now Kiwanis Park.

4518
02:46:38,160 --> 02:46:41,000
This will be important as I describe

4519
02:46:41,000 --> 02:46:42,720
kind of what's happened.

4520
02:46:42,720 --> 02:46:45,680
So um this is the property here where

4521
02:46:45,680 --> 02:46:48,200
this building is located. Um it's known

4522
02:46:48,200 --> 02:46:51,680
as the Oakridge Elemen- Oakridge School.

4523
02:46:51,680 --> 02:46:54,800
Um, it sits on BYU property.

4524
02:46:54,800 --> 02:46:57,800
Um, in 1948

4525
02:46:57,800 --> 02:46:59,920
is when Provo City acquired the property

4526
02:46:59,920 --> 02:47:02,600
that is now known as Kiwanis Park.

4527
02:47:02,600 --> 02:47:05,880
So, 30 years after we acquired the park

4528
02:47:05,880 --> 02:47:07,880
property, we entered into an a lease

4529
02:47:07,880 --> 02:47:10,880
agreement with the school district for

4530
02:47:10,880 --> 02:47:12,920
the 2 acres that we're talking about

4531
02:47:12,920 --> 02:47:14,080
today.

4532
02:47:14,080 --> 02:47:16,600
Um, that lease agreement was

4533
02:47:16,600 --> 02:47:20,280
basically a 50-year lease agreement.

4534
02:47:20,280 --> 02:47:23,120
So, it won't be expiring for 2 more

4535
02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:24,440
years.

4536
02:47:24,440 --> 02:47:26,760
And the lease agreement was to be used

4537
02:47:26,760 --> 02:47:31,240
for parking and a playground for the

4538
02:47:31,240 --> 02:47:32,840
Oakridge School.

4539
02:47:32,840 --> 02:47:34,360
was a school

4540
02:47:34,360 --> 02:47:36,880
specific for children in the Provo

4541
02:47:36,880 --> 02:47:38,560
School District and later the Nebo

4542
02:47:38,560 --> 02:47:40,720
School District, children with

4543
02:47:40,720 --> 02:47:43,600
disabilities, so special needs children.

4544
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:45,040
So,

4545
02:47:45,040 --> 02:47:47,240
um, the contract that we had

4546
02:47:47,240 --> 02:47:49,480
was they would pay a dollar a year,

4547
02:47:49,480 --> 02:47:51,520
which they paid in advance. They paid

4548
02:47:51,520 --> 02:47:53,800
the full $50 up front.

4549
02:47:53,800 --> 02:47:55,000
Um,

4550
02:47:55,000 --> 02:47:56,800
so it was supposed to be used for public

4551
02:47:56,800 --> 02:47:59,840
purposes in connection with the school.

4552
02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:02,480
Um, so that included both the playground

4553
02:48:02,480 --> 02:48:03,960
and the parking.

4554
02:48:03,960 --> 02:48:06,160
And that the school district would pay

4555
02:48:06,160 --> 02:48:08,360
for all of that equipment and the

4556
02:48:08,360 --> 02:48:11,120
improvements for the parking lot. So,

4557
02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:13,520
they built everything, all everything

4558
02:48:13,520 --> 02:48:15,040
that sits there now is what the school

4559
02:48:15,040 --> 02:48:18,040
district constructed. The deal was once

4560
02:48:18,040 --> 02:48:20,040
the the lease agreement was either

4561
02:48:20,040 --> 02:48:22,640
broken or it expired,

4562
02:48:22,640 --> 02:48:24,160
all of those improvements then became

4563
02:48:24,160 --> 02:48:26,920
the ownership of Provo City.

4564
02:48:26,920 --> 02:48:28,200
So,

4565
02:48:28,200 --> 02:48:30,360
in 1979,

4566
02:48:30,360 --> 02:48:32,880
BYU entered into an agreement with the

4567
02:48:32,880 --> 02:48:34,880
school district for the construction of

4568
02:48:34,880 --> 02:48:38,120
the school. So, the school

4569
02:48:38,120 --> 02:48:40,320
is owned by the school district, but the

4570
02:48:40,320 --> 02:48:43,200
property is owned by BYU.

4571
02:48:43,200 --> 02:48:46,200
So, fast forward to 2004,

4572
02:48:46,200 --> 02:48:48,280
there was an amendment to the agreement

4573
02:48:48,280 --> 02:48:50,880
with BYU between BYU and the school

4574
02:48:50,880 --> 02:48:53,240
district. There were some changes that

4575
02:48:53,240 --> 02:48:56,520
took place in the state of Utah Utah

4576
02:48:56,520 --> 02:48:59,080
regarding the education of children with

4577
02:48:59,080 --> 02:49:00,520
special needs.

4578
02:49:00,520 --> 02:49:02,880
So, it made the Oak Bridge school

4579
02:49:02,880 --> 02:49:04,840
basically obsolete.

4580
02:49:04,840 --> 02:49:07,240
And so, the school district stopped

4581
02:49:07,240 --> 02:49:10,840
using the building for that purpose.

4582
02:49:10,840 --> 02:49:13,160
Provo City was never notified of that

4583
02:49:13,160 --> 02:49:14,880
change in use.

4584
02:49:14,880 --> 02:49:18,200
So, Wasatch Elementary School and the

4585
02:49:18,200 --> 02:49:19,800
school district, I don't know how many

4586
02:49:19,800 --> 02:49:21,920
of the offices and things there in the

4587
02:49:21,920 --> 02:49:24,640
building were used by each, but it was

4588
02:49:24,640 --> 02:49:27,240
basically used by the school district

4589
02:49:27,240 --> 02:49:29,720
for school district park purposes. And

4590
02:49:29,720 --> 02:49:32,960
the playground continued to be used for

4591
02:49:32,960 --> 02:49:35,120
Wasatch Elementary School.

4592
02:49:35,120 --> 02:49:38,000
Um it's important to note that when

4593
02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:40,000
the school district took over this

4594
02:49:40,000 --> 02:49:43,680
property, they put up signage on the

4595
02:49:43,680 --> 02:49:47,320
parking lot that it was for Wasatch um

4596
02:49:47,320 --> 02:49:50,920
employees and also for student drop-off.

4597
02:49:50,920 --> 02:49:53,520
This was also in contradiction to our

4598
02:49:53,520 --> 02:49:55,600
agreement cuz the agreement was supposed

4599
02:49:55,600 --> 02:49:57,360
to be that it should have been parking

4600
02:49:57,360 --> 02:50:02,960
shared between the park and the school.

4601
02:50:02,960 --> 02:50:04,240
So,

4602
02:50:04,240 --> 02:50:09,080
um we fast forward now to 2025.

4603
02:50:09,080 --> 02:50:11,040
We know that Wasatch Elementary School

4604
02:50:11,040 --> 02:50:12,920
is purchased by BYU.

4605
02:50:12,920 --> 02:50:16,760
This also included the building. So, the

4606
02:50:16,760 --> 02:50:19,200
school district quitclaimed all of their

4607
02:50:19,200 --> 02:50:22,880
ownership over to BYU. So, BYU now owns

4608
02:50:22,880 --> 02:50:25,320
the land and the building.

4609
02:50:25,320 --> 02:50:27,480
They assumed, excuse me, I got to take a

4610
02:50:27,480 --> 02:50:31,510
drink.

4611
02:50:31,520 --> 02:50:35,600
BYU assumed the lease agreement. They

4612
02:50:35,600 --> 02:50:37,560
were not made aware of the terms of the

4613
02:50:37,560 --> 02:50:39,960
agreement. So, they in good faith have

4614
02:50:39,960 --> 02:50:42,600
been using the property as the school

4615
02:50:42,600 --> 02:50:44,520
district was using it, assuming that

4616
02:50:44,520 --> 02:50:46,280
they had the same rights, not

4617
02:50:46,280 --> 02:50:49,200
understanding that if it was no longer

4618
02:50:49,200 --> 02:50:51,480
being used for the school that it would

4619
02:50:51,480 --> 02:50:53,360
revert back to the city.

4620
02:50:53,360 --> 02:50:55,440
So, when they got ownership, that was

4621
02:50:55,440 --> 02:50:57,640
about the time that they came to the

4622
02:50:57,640 --> 02:50:59,360
city and said, "We are making some

4623
02:50:59,360 --> 02:51:01,360
adjustments to other buildings on

4624
02:51:01,360 --> 02:51:04,000
campus, specifically the administration

4625
02:51:04,000 --> 02:51:05,880
building. We're going to need to move

4626
02:51:05,880 --> 02:51:07,520
some of our employees down to some of

4627
02:51:07,520 --> 02:51:08,800
these buildings at the Wasatch

4628
02:51:08,800 --> 02:51:10,760
Elementary School, also an Oak Ridge

4629
02:51:10,760 --> 02:51:13,080
School. So, that's going to need us to

4630
02:51:13,080 --> 02:51:14,960
actually use some of the parking, and

4631
02:51:14,960 --> 02:51:17,280
we'd like to incorporate that into our

4632
02:51:17,280 --> 02:51:19,640
overall plan. So, we'd like to purchase

4633
02:51:19,640 --> 02:51:20,960
the property."

4634
02:51:20,960 --> 02:51:23,360
So, that's where we are today.

4635
02:51:23,360 --> 02:51:25,160
So, inside of the packet we had

4636
02:51:25,160 --> 02:51:27,760
information, like we typically do. We

4637
02:51:27,760 --> 02:51:30,080
did a departmental review with all of

4638
02:51:30,080 --> 02:51:33,280
the city departments, asking what impact

4639
02:51:33,280 --> 02:51:35,400
would it have if we were to surplus

4640
02:51:35,400 --> 02:51:38,080
these two acres. It's very important to

4641
02:51:38,080 --> 02:51:40,120
note that if you stand up on this

4642
02:51:40,120 --> 02:51:42,840
property, you would probably not realize

4643
02:51:42,840 --> 02:51:44,960
that it's actually owned by the city.

4644
02:51:44,960 --> 02:51:47,960
We have not had use of it for 50 years.

4645
02:51:47,960 --> 02:51:50,400
There has not been citizens using the

4646
02:51:50,400 --> 02:51:52,960
playgrounds cuz it's secured.

4647
02:51:52,960 --> 02:51:55,080
Well, then they're going in It's fenced.

4648
02:51:55,080 --> 02:51:58,720
It's gated. So, if they're going in, through fences that are

4649
02:51:58,720 --> 02:52:01,120
closed. So, and and I'll be addressing

4650
02:52:01,120 --> 02:52:02,480
kind of the playground issue here in a

4651
02:52:02,480 --> 02:52:05,400
second. But, Yeah. the parking and

4652
02:52:05,400 --> 02:52:07,280
things they haven't been using. I don't

4653
02:52:07,280 --> 02:52:09,080
know if they They have been.

4654
02:52:09,080 --> 02:52:10,000
I don't know if you've been getting

4655
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:12,920
ticketed or whatever. But,

4656
02:52:12,920 --> 02:52:14,480
so, that it really would not have an

4657
02:52:14,480 --> 02:52:17,160
impact impact as far as our planning, or

4658
02:52:17,160 --> 02:52:18,560
the parks department have been planning

4659
02:52:18,560 --> 02:52:20,800
on, you know, the Quanus Park's future

4660
02:52:20,800 --> 02:52:22,600
or anything like that.

4661
02:52:22,600 --> 02:52:23,800
So,

4662
02:52:23,800 --> 02:52:26,440
with the purchase of the Wasatch

4663
02:52:26,440 --> 02:52:29,000
Elementary School from BYU,

4664
02:52:29,000 --> 02:52:31,200
some of the There's three playgrounds

4665
02:52:31,200 --> 02:52:33,840
that partially sit well, the one

4666
02:52:33,840 --> 02:52:36,160
playground sits entirely on the parcel

4667
02:52:36,160 --> 02:52:39,160
that was leased by the school district.

4668
02:52:39,160 --> 02:52:41,560
There's two other playgrounds.

4669
02:52:41,560 --> 02:52:44,240
One right here and one right here.

4670
02:52:44,240 --> 02:52:45,680
When you If you look at the property

4671
02:52:45,680 --> 02:52:48,560
lines, they're built partially on school

4672
02:52:48,560 --> 02:52:51,440
district now BYU property and partially

4673
02:52:51,440 --> 02:52:53,840
on city property. None of us know

4674
02:52:53,840 --> 02:52:56,280
exactly why that happened. But the

4675
02:52:56,280 --> 02:52:57,920
playgrounds have been used by both

4676
02:52:57,920 --> 02:52:59,320
parties.

4677
02:52:59,320 --> 02:53:01,080
So, um

4678
02:53:01,080 --> 02:53:03,120
about a year ago

4679
02:53:03,120 --> 02:53:07,280
the parks department went in and did a

4680
02:53:07,280 --> 02:53:09,120
They actually hired

4681
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:11,920
an inspection of all three playgrounds.

4682
02:53:11,920 --> 02:53:13,760
And it was determined that all of the

4683
02:53:13,760 --> 02:53:16,240
equipment in those three playgrounds

4684
02:53:16,240 --> 02:53:19,560
were rated at poor to very poor.

4685
02:53:19,560 --> 02:53:21,360
Meaning that they're not safe for us to

4686
02:53:21,360 --> 02:53:22,720
be using.

4687
02:53:22,720 --> 02:53:24,000
So,

4688
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:28,560
the proposal is that in 2028-2029

4689
02:53:28,560 --> 02:53:31,600
the re-um placement of those playgrounds

4690
02:53:31,600 --> 02:53:33,320
would be done as part of their CIP

4691
02:53:33,320 --> 02:53:36,560
project. And they would be improved down

4692
02:53:36,560 --> 02:53:39,520
in our current playground area.

4693
02:53:39,520 --> 02:53:40,360
Here.

4694
02:53:40,360 --> 02:53:41,760
It's

4695
02:53:41,760 --> 02:53:45,720
I I apologize.

4696
02:53:45,720 --> 02:53:48,680
CIP parks and rec CIP? Yes. And we're

4697
02:53:48,680 --> 02:53:50,320
talking about even the fenced off one to

4698
02:53:50,320 --> 02:53:51,720
the north.

4699
02:53:51,720 --> 02:53:54,720
No. That was not considered Well,

4700
02:53:54,720 --> 02:53:56,880
I'm assuming that that would eventually

4701
02:53:56,880 --> 02:53:59,720
be going away if we sell the property to

4702
02:53:59,720 --> 02:54:01,040
BYU.

4703
02:54:01,040 --> 02:54:02,440
So,

4704
02:54:02,440 --> 02:54:03,360
there are three separate

4705
02:54:03,360 --> 02:54:06,280
play-playgrounds plus our new our newer

4706
02:54:06,280 --> 02:54:08,320
playground. And the three separate

4707
02:54:08,320 --> 02:54:09,760
playgrounds are the ones that are joint

4708
02:54:09,760 --> 02:54:13,120
on our property and are in very poor condition that need

4709
02:54:13,120 --> 02:54:15,200
They need to go away. Okay.

4710
02:54:15,200 --> 02:54:16,560
Is that clear?

4711
02:54:16,560 --> 02:54:18,440
Because the fact that they're there

4712
02:54:18,440 --> 02:54:20,280
They are. So, I just wanted And our

4713
02:54:20,280 --> 02:54:22,240
inspection

4714
02:54:22,240 --> 02:54:23,520
verified that. And I guess if we have

4715
02:54:23,520 --> 02:54:25,160
questions on that, we have

4716
02:54:25,160 --> 02:54:26,400
representatives from the Parks

4717
02:54:26,400 --> 02:54:27,760
Department here.

4718
02:54:27,760 --> 02:54:29,160
So,

4719
02:54:29,160 --> 02:54:30,200
um

4720
02:54:30,200 --> 02:54:32,360
what's happened to this point is that

4721
02:54:32,360 --> 02:54:34,640
BYU, as I've mentioned, has made an

4722
02:54:34,640 --> 02:54:36,920
offer to purchase the property.

4723
02:54:36,920 --> 02:54:39,680
So, in essence, we could surplus the

4724
02:54:39,680 --> 02:54:43,760
property and receive about 1.37 million

4725
02:54:43,760 --> 02:54:46,640
dollars, which could be put into the CIP

4726
02:54:46,640 --> 02:54:49,600
fund for the Parks Department to go

4727
02:54:49,600 --> 02:54:52,880
towards the replacement of these

4728
02:54:52,880 --> 02:54:54,160
playgrounds.

4729
02:54:54,160 --> 02:54:56,600
And they would be replaced down in the

4730
02:54:56,600 --> 02:54:58,240
playground area, expanding that

4731
02:54:58,240 --> 02:55:00,360
playground that we currently have on the

4732
02:55:00,360 --> 02:55:02,040
park property.

4733
02:55:02,040 --> 02:55:05,120
Um I know there was some questions about

4734
02:55:05,120 --> 02:55:07,560
what BYU's proposed use was, so we have

4735
02:55:07,560 --> 02:55:10,280
representatives from BYU here if you

4736
02:55:10,280 --> 02:55:12,600
have questions specific to that. If

4737
02:55:12,600 --> 02:55:15,080
there's questions specific to the impact

4738
02:55:15,080 --> 02:55:16,800
this would have on the Parks Department

4739
02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:18,920
or the playground areas, as I mentioned,

4740
02:55:18,920 --> 02:55:21,720
we've got representatives here from the

4741
02:55:21,720 --> 02:55:23,640
Parks Department.

4742
02:55:23,640 --> 02:55:25,480
Yes.

4743
02:55:25,480 --> 02:55:28,000
So, Tara, why would Parks automatically

4744
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:30,240
replace playground equipment that sits

4745
02:55:30,240 --> 02:55:31,600
partially

4746
02:55:31,600 --> 02:55:33,320
in Kiwanis Park on city property and

4747
02:55:33,320 --> 02:55:36,040
partially on the on BYU property? Yes,

4748
02:55:36,040 --> 02:55:38,440
residents are using these playgrounds.

4749
02:55:38,440 --> 02:55:41,240
Part of it is the smaller um playground

4750
02:55:41,240 --> 02:55:44,440
that we have now is rated for

4751
02:55:44,440 --> 02:55:46,200
you'll have to help me on this, two two

4752
02:55:46,200 --> 02:55:48,560
to five-year-olds. We don't really have

4753
02:55:48,560 --> 02:55:50,480
equipment for the five-year-olds to

4754
02:55:50,480 --> 02:55:52,040
12-year-olds.

4755
02:55:52,040 --> 02:55:53,280
So, the new equipment that would be

4756
02:55:53,280 --> 02:55:55,400
coming in would be replacing the stuff

4757
02:55:55,400 --> 02:55:57,120
that was used by the elementary school,

4758
02:55:57,120 --> 02:55:58,040
which would be the five-year-olds to

4759
02:55:58,040 --> 02:55:59,760
12-year-olds.

4760
02:55:59,760 --> 02:56:01,680
Okay. So, you said there's two years

4761
02:56:01,680 --> 02:56:04,160
remaining on the lease. Well, so

4762
02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:06,160
theoretically, the lease should be

4763
02:56:06,160 --> 02:56:08,640
terminated. Yeah. Because it's not being

4764
02:56:08,640 --> 02:56:11,320
used appropriately.

4765
02:56:11,320 --> 02:56:14,240
So, the lease part of this

4766
02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:16,480
is now out of the picture.

4767
02:56:16,480 --> 02:56:20,790
And then going way back to 19

4768
02:56:20,800 --> 02:56:22,920
Where Where did Provo City acquire this

4769
02:56:22,920 --> 02:56:24,440
property? Would it have been National

4770
02:56:24,440 --> 02:56:26,680
Parks property or those

4771
02:56:26,680 --> 02:56:29,880
No, we acquired it from a gentleman

4772
02:56:29,880 --> 02:56:32,760
by the name of Willie Rita.

4773
02:56:32,760 --> 02:56:34,480
Yes, a single gentleman as it said on

4774
02:56:34,480 --> 02:56:35,600
the deed.

4775
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:36,520
So

4776
02:56:36,520 --> 02:56:38,200
a single gentleman.

4777
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:39,760
So

4778
02:56:39,760 --> 02:56:42,520
You tell us what Yeah, I know.

4779
02:56:42,520 --> 02:56:44,280
I don't know. I am assuming we purchased

4780
02:56:44,280 --> 02:56:45,720
it. It may have been

4781
02:56:45,720 --> 02:56:47,560
um donated. I'm really not sure. There

4782
02:56:47,560 --> 02:56:49,720
wasn't a lot of information

4783
02:56:49,720 --> 02:56:51,640
on the deed, but

4784
02:56:51,640 --> 02:56:52,960
You got the deed. We got fee title from

4785
02:56:52,960 --> 02:56:55,120
it uh a single person.

4786
02:56:55,120 --> 02:56:58,360
Okay, Counselor Whitlock. Um so

4787
02:56:58,360 --> 02:56:59,560
just clearing up maybe a couple things

4788
02:56:59,560 --> 02:57:01,080
that I'd heard. Um

4789
02:57:01,080 --> 02:57:04,400
so you're saying right now BYU is void.

4790
02:57:04,400 --> 02:57:06,880
So currently BYU does not have like a

4791
02:57:06,880 --> 02:57:10,360
right to use the land. Correct. Okay.

4792
02:57:10,360 --> 02:57:11,720
And there I'd heard that there was like

4793
02:57:11,720 --> 02:57:14,080
an option for them to extend the lease,

4794
02:57:14,080 --> 02:57:16,000
but is that's not accurate? Right?

4795
02:57:16,000 --> 02:57:17,400
>> No, there hasn't been any discussion

4796
02:57:17,400 --> 02:57:18,040
about that.

4797
02:57:18,040 --> 02:57:19,520
>> hasn't been Okay. The original lease as

4798
02:57:19,520 --> 02:57:21,800
I say was written for 50 years

4799
02:57:21,800 --> 02:57:23,480
>> And there's no with the option of it

4800
02:57:23,480 --> 02:57:26,080
renewing for another 25

4801
02:57:26,080 --> 02:57:28,280
um automatically unless the city gave

4802
02:57:28,280 --> 02:57:31,080
notice that we did not want to renew.

4803
02:57:31,080 --> 02:57:32,600
Got it. Got it. So there was the

4804
02:57:32,600 --> 02:57:34,360
original lease, there was that extension

4805
02:57:34,360 --> 02:57:34,440
of

4806
02:57:34,440 --> 02:57:35,480
>> There was that extension.

4807
02:57:35,480 --> 02:57:37,560
>> no longer in effect because the lease

4808
02:57:37,560 --> 02:57:39,880
was void. Right. Is that correct? Yeah.

4809
02:57:39,880 --> 02:57:42,510
Thank you.

4810
02:57:42,520 --> 02:57:44,920
Anyone else?

4811
02:57:44,920 --> 02:57:46,960
Counselor Bogden. Okay, it's just in my

4812
02:57:46,960 --> 02:57:48,600
notes.

4813
02:57:48,600 --> 02:57:52,200
Return over there. Do we have a need

4814
02:57:52,200 --> 02:57:53,360
for

4815
02:57:53,360 --> 02:57:55,680
multiple five plus playgrounds? I mean,

4816
02:57:55,680 --> 02:57:58,560
how do we envision this?

4817
02:57:58,560 --> 02:58:01,400
It would be a consolidated to one five

4818
02:58:01,400 --> 02:58:04,000
to 12-year-old playground.

4819
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:06,120
So would it be large like a Lakeview

4820
02:58:06,120 --> 02:58:08,240
North Park

4821
02:58:08,240 --> 02:58:09,320
playground large?

4822
02:58:09,320 --> 02:58:10,400
>> Yes.

4823
02:58:10,400 --> 02:58:11,560
Because we would think that you have

4824
02:58:11,560 --> 02:58:12,800
three different ones and they're it's

4825
02:58:12,800 --> 02:58:19,600
all being utilized. We would have a need for a lot, but just

4826
02:58:19,600 --> 02:58:23,200
not not like a liquid park

4827
02:58:23,200 --> 02:58:28,360
one, right? It it'll be sized for the needs of the neighborhood. We

4828
02:58:28,360 --> 02:58:29,960
understand that

4829
02:58:29,960 --> 02:58:31,960
there was an elementary school at this

4830
02:58:31,960 --> 02:58:34,800
location and there's not no longer an

4831
02:58:34,800 --> 02:58:38,000
elementary school, so the demand during

4832
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:39,280
the daytime hours is probably

4833
02:58:39,280 --> 02:58:41,080
considerably less than how these were

4834
02:58:41,080 --> 02:58:42,200
sized.

4835
02:58:42,200 --> 02:58:43,920
But, we'll make sure it's sized

4836
02:58:43,920 --> 02:58:45,400
appropriately and it is and it would be

4837
02:58:45,400 --> 02:58:47,160
a larger playground than a smaller

4838
02:58:47,160 --> 02:58:48,560
playground with the restrooms. And will

4839
02:58:48,560 --> 02:58:50,360
the residents be a part of that

4840
02:58:50,360 --> 02:58:53,000
decision, like where it's located at and

4841
02:58:53,000 --> 02:58:55,680
Yes. how much it is? We will hold public

4842
02:58:55,680 --> 02:58:58,200
uh input on all of that. And with it

4843
02:58:58,200 --> 02:58:59,840
being a million dollars, would they also

4844
02:58:59,840 --> 02:59:03,320
get a replacement of the tennis courts?

4845
02:59:03,320 --> 02:59:05,440
With the capital improvement plan, yes,

4846
02:59:05,440 --> 02:59:07,320
the intent is to replace the three

4847
02:59:07,320 --> 02:59:09,920
tennis courts. And again, with public

4848
02:59:09,920 --> 02:59:12,360
input, decide if there's three remaining

4849
02:59:12,360 --> 02:59:13,680
tennis courts or if there's some

4850
02:59:13,680 --> 02:59:15,840
pickleball court integration in there or

4851
02:59:15,840 --> 02:59:17,800
not. We'll we'll we'll continue that as

4852
02:59:17,800 --> 02:59:19,640
we get closer to that. We probably need

4853
02:59:19,640 --> 02:59:21,280
to get the tennis people's input on

4854
02:59:21,280 --> 02:59:22,680
that, too, or that's going to be a

4855
02:59:22,680 --> 02:59:24,680
really

4856
02:59:24,680 --> 02:59:28,360
bad situation for a lot of us.

4857
02:59:28,360 --> 02:59:29,800
Okay.

4858
02:59:29,800 --> 02:59:30,800
Thank you.

4859
02:59:30,800 --> 02:59:32,600
Councilmember Clark. Uh yeah, so just a

4860
02:59:32,600 --> 02:59:33,960
couple more questions. I I would be

4861
02:59:33,960 --> 02:59:36,520
curious to hear what uh BYU's planned

4862
02:59:36,520 --> 02:59:38,560
use of the land would be.

4863
02:59:38,560 --> 02:59:41,230
Good question.

4864
02:59:41,240 --> 02:59:43,320
Right now, we would just use it as as

4865
02:59:43,320 --> 02:59:45,440
overflow parking for the Oak Ridge

4866
02:59:45,440 --> 02:59:47,080
parking lot. Right now, we have no

4867
02:59:47,080 --> 02:59:48,640
plans. We don't have

4868
02:59:48,640 --> 02:59:51,040
any plans for Wasatch or Oak Ridge that

4869
02:59:51,040 --> 02:59:52,640
we know of.

4870
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:54,120
That will come, you know.

4871
02:59:54,120 --> 02:59:55,000
Yeah, but

4872
02:59:55,000 --> 02:59:57,880
Uh even when the ASP is completed? Even

4873
02:59:57,880 --> 03:00:01,040
ASP one is completed is we don't

4874
03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:03,360
envision keeping the school.

4875
03:00:03,360 --> 03:00:06,120
Okay. And what was the what was the um

4876
03:00:06,120 --> 03:00:09,160
methodology to sort of reach the 1.37

4877
03:00:09,160 --> 03:00:11,200
million uh

4878
03:00:11,200 --> 03:00:14,120
between the two uh appraisal values. So,

4879
03:00:14,120 --> 03:00:16,040
we typically split the difference, but

4880
03:00:16,040 --> 03:00:18,680
BYU was actually generous in coming

4881
03:00:18,680 --> 03:00:20,320
a little bit above what the splitting of

4882
03:00:20,320 --> 03:00:22,720
the difference would be.

4883
03:00:22,720 --> 03:00:24,400
Okay. That's normally what we do if we

4884
03:00:24,400 --> 03:00:26,520
get two appraisals. And have we talked

4885
03:00:26,520 --> 03:00:28,880
at all about options of maybe extending

4886
03:00:28,880 --> 03:00:31,000
the lease under

4887
03:00:31,000 --> 03:00:34,640
more than a dollar a year or like the needs the immediate needs during the

4888
03:00:34,640 --> 03:00:36,840
ASB ASB construction?

4889
03:00:36,840 --> 03:00:39,160
So, we have not discussed a lease option

4890
03:00:39,160 --> 03:00:41,000
and it wouldn't be

4891
03:00:41,000 --> 03:00:44,040
we would we we would create a new lease

4892
03:00:44,040 --> 03:00:45,600
entirely. So,

4893
03:00:45,600 --> 03:00:48,880
that is something I don't know if BYU would be open to

4894
03:00:48,880 --> 03:00:50,200
a lease agreement. That's just not

4895
03:00:50,200 --> 03:00:51,920
something we had talked about. Yeah, we

4896
03:00:51,920 --> 03:00:54,520
haven't haven't talked about that. What

4897
03:00:54,520 --> 03:00:56,360
why is it BYU's preference to purchase

4898
03:00:56,360 --> 03:00:58,240
the land as opposed to something like a

4899
03:00:58,240 --> 03:00:59,720
lease?

4900
03:00:59,720 --> 03:01:01,080
Um,

4901
03:01:01,080 --> 03:01:04,560
it it came up as a purchase. We we just

4902
03:01:04,560 --> 03:01:07,680
talked about it. Okay.

4903
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:10,000
And I will go back Wasatch I don't know

4904
03:01:10,000 --> 03:01:11,240
what happened with Oak Ridge. Oak Ridge

4905
03:01:11,240 --> 03:01:13,160
is in the nicer condition so that may

4906
03:01:13,160 --> 03:01:14,520
stay. But,

4907
03:01:14,520 --> 03:01:18,550
Wasatch is in poor condition.

4908
03:01:18,560 --> 03:01:20,840
Councilor Ivie, so when you say Wasatch

4909
03:01:20,840 --> 03:01:23,920
will go away, do you envision

4910
03:01:23,920 --> 03:01:25,640
another do you envision just selling the

4911
03:01:25,640 --> 03:01:28,920
property to some

4912
03:01:28,920 --> 03:01:31,160
At some point the building will either

4913
03:01:31,160 --> 03:01:33,400
have to be

4914
03:01:33,400 --> 03:01:35,800
I I just can't see us remodeling it cuz

4915
03:01:35,800 --> 03:01:38,280
it's in such poor condition.

4916
03:01:38,280 --> 03:01:39,640
So, we really don't know what we're

4917
03:01:39,640 --> 03:01:41,120
going to do with it. So, you don't know

4918
03:01:41,120 --> 03:01:42,440
if you're going to put a parking lot on

4919
03:01:42,440 --> 03:01:43,800
it or if you're going to put a parking

4920
03:01:43,800 --> 03:01:47,200
garage on it. Yeah. What is

4921
03:01:47,200 --> 03:01:48,520
what's stopping you guys from putting

4922
03:01:48,520 --> 03:01:51,200
parking garages up on campus? Um,

4923
03:01:51,200 --> 03:01:52,920
parking garages are about in the

4924
03:01:52,920 --> 03:01:55,200
underground and then going up they're

4925
03:01:55,200 --> 03:01:57,880
about $46,000 per stall and then you're

4926
03:01:57,880 --> 03:02:00,520
about $30,000 per stall for an above

4927
03:02:00,520 --> 03:02:01,960
ground.

4928
03:02:01,960 --> 03:02:04,040
And so, that's what's stopping us.

4929
03:02:04,040 --> 03:02:06,520
30 how many times? It's not um anything

4930
03:02:06,520 --> 03:02:09,880
below ground about 45, 46,000 and above

4931
03:02:09,880 --> 03:02:13,480
ground you're about 30,000 per stall.

4932
03:02:13,480 --> 03:02:17,000
And so, um and you throw a parking then

4933
03:02:17,000 --> 03:02:19,600
it just creates more of a traffic in

4934
03:02:19,600 --> 03:02:22,640
that one area. Well, this is a lot of

4935
03:02:22,640 --> 03:02:25,120
the feedback that we're getting Yeah. is

4936
03:02:25,120 --> 03:02:27,800
that BYU needs to start staying within

4937
03:02:27,800 --> 03:02:29,400
their footprint and start building up,

4938
03:02:29,400 --> 03:02:31,160
building parking garages, and and

4939
03:02:31,160 --> 03:02:33,760
building there instead of expanding out.

4940
03:02:33,760 --> 03:02:36,720
Um and we've gotten Let me tell you I

4941
03:02:36,720 --> 03:02:39,800
went to go exercise

4942
03:02:39,800 --> 03:02:41,440
at the Rec this morning and by the time

4943
03:02:41,440 --> 03:02:44,560
I got out I had 15 emails.

4944
03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:46,960
And my email I would traveled home

4945
03:02:46,960 --> 03:02:48,920
yesterday cuz we went to St. George for

4946
03:02:48,920 --> 03:02:50,360
a conference last week and I got home

4947
03:02:50,360 --> 03:02:52,320
yesterday I was traveling yesterday. My

4948
03:02:52,320 --> 03:02:53,920
phone was just

4949
03:02:53,920 --> 03:02:56,080
stinking going off all the time. This

4950
03:02:56,080 --> 03:02:57,680
isn't just

4951
03:02:57,680 --> 03:03:00,080
one person's opinion. This is a lot of

4952
03:03:00,080 --> 03:03:04,200
Provo that is feeling that BYU needs to

4953
03:03:04,200 --> 03:03:06,120
start staying within its footprint and

4954
03:03:06,120 --> 03:03:07,760
start building up.

4955
03:03:07,760 --> 03:03:09,280
Getting some parking garages. I'm I'm

4956
03:03:09,280 --> 03:03:10,840
not doing this to be mean I'm just doing

4957
03:03:10,840 --> 03:03:13,560
this to let you know that that its taste

4958
03:03:13,560 --> 03:03:17,120
for us to sell this is pretty high.

4959
03:03:17,120 --> 03:03:19,560
Um they want you guys to stay within

4960
03:03:19,560 --> 03:03:25,920
your footprint. Well, that's fine. We we don't we want to be neighbors with Provo City. We've worked together

4961
03:03:25,920 --> 03:03:27,120
for years.

4962
03:03:27,120 --> 03:03:29,280
And so, if if you guys decide not to

4963
03:03:29,280 --> 03:03:33,080
sell this, we're we're not here trying

4964
03:03:33,080 --> 03:03:36,830
to tell you that we want it.

4965
03:03:36,840 --> 03:03:39,240
Thank you.

4966
03:03:39,240 --> 03:03:41,560
Any other questions for BYU or we got

4967
03:03:41,560 --> 03:03:43,960
them? Gary, go ahead.

4968
03:03:43,960 --> 03:03:47,000
Some of the images that we received show

4969
03:03:47,000 --> 03:03:47,960
that

4970
03:03:47,960 --> 03:03:51,160
BYU signage on Birch Avenue

4971
03:03:51,160 --> 03:03:52,840
uh at parking lot entrances.

4972
03:03:52,840 --> 03:03:54,960
>> Yes. Um

4973
03:03:54,960 --> 03:03:57,800
if if in fact they were where

4974
03:03:57,800 --> 03:03:59,240
they looked like they were and if those

4975
03:03:59,240 --> 03:04:01,880
have been removed I want to commend BYU

4976
03:04:01,880 --> 03:04:03,880
We pulled ours on it. for removing those

4977
03:04:03,880 --> 03:04:05,600
in advance. Thank you.

4978
03:04:05,600 --> 03:04:07,200
>> Until this issue is settled. I think

4979
03:04:07,200 --> 03:04:09,160
that's that's up in the air.

4980
03:04:09,160 --> 03:04:10,200
Good.

4981
03:04:10,200 --> 03:04:11,080
Uh

4982
03:04:11,080 --> 03:04:13,520
and then my other comment is

4983
03:04:13,520 --> 03:04:16,560
I kind of feel like this issue is being

4984
03:04:16,560 --> 03:04:18,760
um unfairly framed.

4985
03:04:18,760 --> 03:04:21,080
And and even the slide itself that says

4986
03:04:21,080 --> 03:04:24,040
Kiwanis Park surplus property

4987
03:04:24,040 --> 03:04:26,320
m- maybe at one point this was part of

4988
03:04:26,320 --> 03:04:28,120
Kiwanis Park when the lease agreement

4989
03:04:28,120 --> 03:04:30,720
was entered into 50 years ago.

4990
03:04:30,720 --> 03:04:31,960
But

4991
03:04:31,960 --> 03:04:34,480
at best I would say the argument the

4992
03:04:34,480 --> 03:04:36,400
citizens have is please return this

4993
03:04:36,400 --> 03:04:39,800
property to park use.

4994
03:04:39,800 --> 03:04:41,720
But everyone's saying don't sell off

4995
03:04:41,720 --> 03:04:44,520
Kiwanis Park. This I don't view this as

4996
03:04:44,520 --> 03:04:47,680
Kiwanis Park. I view it as parking and

4997
03:04:47,680 --> 03:04:49,560
playgrounds that were used by the school

4998
03:04:49,560 --> 03:04:50,760
district.

4999
03:04:50,760 --> 03:04:53,120
So anyway, I I wanted to just clarify

5000
03:04:53,120 --> 03:04:55,240
that as well. That's a good point. I

5001
03:04:55,240 --> 03:04:57,480
think the reason we call it Kiwanis Park

5002
03:04:57,480 --> 03:05:00,160
is cuz you will look at a parcel map.

5003
03:05:00,160 --> 03:05:02,840
It's on the parcel for Kiwanis Park, but

5004
03:05:02,840 --> 03:05:04,800
clarifying information probably would

5005
03:05:04,800 --> 03:05:06,240
have been helpful.

5006
03:05:06,240 --> 03:05:08,480
That's it's surplussing Provo City

5007
03:05:08,480 --> 03:05:10,280
Council. Yeah.

5008
03:05:10,280 --> 03:05:12,880
Well, I think so I used to live there

5009
03:05:12,880 --> 03:05:14,560
and I've used that park for 10 years

5010
03:05:14,560 --> 03:05:16,240
with my children. It was very much

5011
03:05:16,240 --> 03:05:18,120
accessible. I played with my kids there

5012
03:05:18,120 --> 03:05:19,720
and I parked there and sometimes when I

5013
03:05:19,720 --> 03:05:21,240
had to work I'd watch them while I

5014
03:05:21,240 --> 03:05:22,840
worked in my car.

5015
03:05:22,840 --> 03:05:24,520
Like

5016
03:05:24,520 --> 03:05:27,080
it's accessible and I used it a lot.

5017
03:05:27,080 --> 03:05:28,160
It's a lot of people with little kids

5018
03:05:28,160 --> 03:05:28,760
would use it.

5019
03:05:28,760 --> 03:05:32,520
>> They do it regularly. Uh absolutely.

5020
03:05:32,520 --> 03:05:34,600
So um and there's not a lot of parking

5021
03:05:34,600 --> 03:05:37,120
at Kiwanis. So when you have a bunch of

5022
03:05:37,120 --> 03:05:38,840
kids you're carrying around, it's really

5023
03:05:38,840 --> 03:05:40,320
hard to find a place to park that you're

5024
03:05:40,320 --> 03:05:41,680
not running across the street, which is

5025
03:05:41,680 --> 03:05:44,320
dangerous. So like that's a coveted

5026
03:05:44,320 --> 03:05:45,760
parking area when you are playing with

5027
03:05:45,760 --> 03:05:47,440
your bunch of kids.

5028
03:05:47,440 --> 03:05:49,480
Um

5029
03:05:49,480 --> 03:05:51,240
I

5030
03:05:51,240 --> 03:05:54,160
I'm definitely not open to selling any

5031
03:05:54,160 --> 03:05:56,240
of Provo's parkland and I consider this

5032
03:05:56,240 --> 03:05:58,440
parkland. I don't care if it becomes a

5033
03:05:58,440 --> 03:06:01,800
rose garden or parking lots or

5034
03:06:01,800 --> 03:06:04,280
more playground.

5035
03:06:04,280 --> 03:06:07,080
It's very valuable space and

5036
03:06:07,080 --> 03:06:08,840
I definitely want to

5037
03:06:08,840 --> 03:06:10,480
keep it. This is what All we're doing is

5038
03:06:10,480 --> 03:06:11,960
growing more dense. We're just more and

5039
03:06:11,960 --> 03:06:13,360
more people. The last thing you want to

5040
03:06:13,360 --> 03:06:15,400
do is lessen our park space we want. And

5041
03:06:15,400 --> 03:06:18,160
I'm very perplexed by the price because

5042
03:06:18,160 --> 03:06:20,360
lots are selling in the city for a half

5043
03:06:20,360 --> 03:06:22,360
acre at a million dollars. So, this

5044
03:06:22,360 --> 03:06:24,080
price seems ridiculous to me. And I had

5045
03:06:24,080 --> 03:06:25,760
multiple people reach out to me on that

5046
03:06:25,760 --> 03:06:26,960
account saying this price It probably

5047
03:06:26,960 --> 03:06:28,680
has a lot to do with the zoning. This

5048
03:06:28,680 --> 03:06:30,040
price is

5049
03:06:30,040 --> 03:06:32,240
really cheap.

5050
03:06:32,240 --> 03:06:35,240
And um

5051
03:06:35,240 --> 03:06:36,680
the

5052
03:06:36,680 --> 03:06:39,200
I I've heard from over

5053
03:06:39,200 --> 03:06:40,360
call

5054
03:06:40,360 --> 03:06:42,520
I've heard from over 75 people through

5055
03:06:42,520 --> 03:06:45,080
email, text, phone calls.

5056
03:06:45,080 --> 03:06:48,120
Um and not one person supports the idea

5057
03:06:48,120 --> 03:06:49,280
of this.

5058
03:06:49,280 --> 03:06:51,120
And I'm not surprised by that. I think

5059
03:06:51,120 --> 03:06:52,680
there is still a lot of hard feelings

5060
03:06:52,680 --> 03:06:54,200
about Wasatch cuz I heard about that a

5061
03:06:54,200 --> 03:06:56,600
lot from people, too. Yeah. There's I

5062
03:06:56,600 --> 03:06:58,080
don't know when Provo will ever get over

5063
03:06:58,080 --> 03:07:01,600
that land swap. So, um

5064
03:07:01,600 --> 03:07:04,800
it's it's still painful.

5065
03:07:04,800 --> 03:07:06,600
But um lots of comments about the

5066
03:07:06,600 --> 03:07:08,200
parking garages. People want parking

5067
03:07:08,200 --> 03:07:10,040
garages and they they think it's very

5068
03:07:10,040 --> 03:07:11,440
overdue and they're frustrated seeing

5069
03:07:11,440 --> 03:07:12,880
the music building being built without a

5070
03:07:12,880 --> 03:07:15,280
parking garage. And now the ASB being

5071
03:07:15,280 --> 03:07:16,840
built without a parking garage. I don't

5072
03:07:16,840 --> 03:07:17,720
know if that's true. That's what they

5073
03:07:17,720 --> 03:07:20,280
told me. But um that there should be

5074
03:07:20,280 --> 03:07:21,520
parking garages on the bottom. There

5075
03:07:21,520 --> 03:07:22,720
should be our parking garages on the

5076
03:07:22,720 --> 03:07:24,280
land that they own.

5077
03:07:24,280 --> 03:07:26,520
And that um

5078
03:07:26,520 --> 03:07:28,360
that the park is

5079
03:07:28,360 --> 03:07:31,200
also very um

5080
03:07:31,200 --> 03:07:33,880
very strong consensus that parking is

5081
03:07:33,880 --> 03:07:35,560
very much needed. I heard from a lot of

5082
03:07:35,560 --> 03:07:37,120
BYU employees saying parking's a

5083
03:07:37,120 --> 03:07:39,440
nightmare. And BYU employees have been

5084
03:07:39,440 --> 03:07:40,560
dealing with this forever. A bunch of

5085
03:07:40,560 --> 03:07:41,760
retired people even said it's always

5086
03:07:41,760 --> 03:07:42,760
been a problem the whole time before I

5087
03:07:42,760 --> 03:07:45,480
retired. So, parking is a problem. They

5088
03:07:45,480 --> 03:07:47,200
acknowledge that, but this isn't the

5089
03:07:47,200 --> 03:07:49,950
solution.

5090
03:07:49,960 --> 03:07:52,960
Councilor Christensen? No.

5091
03:07:52,960 --> 03:07:54,520
Yeah, so the issues around the

5092
03:07:54,520 --> 03:07:57,480
playgrounds playgrounds come and go.

5093
03:07:57,480 --> 03:07:58,320
Uh

5094
03:07:58,320 --> 03:08:00,560
prime land like this does not.

5095
03:08:00,560 --> 03:08:03,080
This will not This will not come back. I

5096
03:08:03,080 --> 03:08:05,800
and I I can see be why BYU would want to

5097
03:08:05,800 --> 03:08:07,560
land bank this.

5098
03:08:07,560 --> 03:08:10,400
Uh it's a very prudent thing to to ask

5099
03:08:10,400 --> 03:08:12,680
for. I I appreciate that BYU is not

5100
03:08:12,680 --> 03:08:14,920
being heavy-handed about this.

5101
03:08:14,920 --> 03:08:16,200
Um

5102
03:08:16,200 --> 03:08:18,600
and it's also prudent that Provo land

5103
03:08:18,600 --> 03:08:19,600
bank.

5104
03:08:19,600 --> 03:08:22,920
So, whether this is set up as a park,

5105
03:08:22,920 --> 03:08:24,280
you know, has been seen on that in a

5106
03:08:24,280 --> 03:08:26,960
different list. This is This is land

5107
03:08:26,960 --> 03:08:29,440
that will not come back to us. And I

5108
03:08:29,440 --> 03:08:33,670
would be a hard pass on this.

5109
03:08:33,680 --> 03:08:35,360
Councilor Chris Sorry, Councilor

5110
03:08:35,360 --> 03:08:36,440
Whitlock.

5111
03:08:36,440 --> 03:08:38,000
Um one of the thing that was I also

5112
03:08:38,000 --> 03:08:39,400
heard a lot from constituents that I was

5113
03:08:39,400 --> 03:08:41,040
curious if someone from Parks and Rec

5114
03:08:41,040 --> 03:08:43,000
could speak to is that Kiwanis is one of

5115
03:08:43,000 --> 03:08:45,000
the most heavily trafficked parks in the

5116
03:08:45,000 --> 03:08:47,840
city. Do you have any data or

5117
03:08:47,840 --> 03:08:48,400
um

5118
03:08:48,400 --> 03:08:50,000
research to suggest kind of what the

5119
03:08:50,000 --> 03:08:52,400
relative use of Kiwanis to what to other

5120
03:08:52,400 --> 03:08:55,270
parks?

5121
03:08:55,280 --> 03:08:57,560
I would say that Kiwanis is one of the

5122
03:08:57,560 --> 03:09:00,760
heavier used parks, especially around uh

5123
03:09:00,760 --> 03:09:02,760
the 4th of July holiday for viewing

5124
03:09:02,760 --> 03:09:04,600
fireworks.

5125
03:09:04,600 --> 03:09:08,760
Um but after the holiday impacts, it is

5126
03:09:08,760 --> 03:09:10,720
probably one of the more It's I would

5127
03:09:10,720 --> 03:09:12,320
say it falls within

5128
03:09:12,320 --> 03:09:14,120
regular use of

5129
03:09:14,120 --> 03:09:16,080
capacity for the park. It's a larger

5130
03:09:16,080 --> 03:09:17,880
park, so people can spread out well in

5131
03:09:17,880 --> 03:09:18,920
there.

5132
03:09:18,920 --> 03:09:20,480
Um I would have to get you the actual

5133
03:09:20,480 --> 03:09:22,120
numbers, but I I can get them for you in

5134
03:09:22,120 --> 03:09:26,670
those.

5135
03:09:26,680 --> 03:09:29,160
Councilor Whitlock.

5136
03:09:29,160 --> 03:09:31,080
Yeah, I would

5137
03:09:31,080 --> 03:09:31,880
um

5138
03:09:31,880 --> 03:09:34,160
I would be open to

5139
03:09:34,160 --> 03:09:36,200
some sort of an agreement where BYU is

5140
03:09:36,200 --> 03:09:38,720
able to use the existing parking lots

5141
03:09:38,720 --> 03:09:41,080
that are there. I wouldn't want any

5142
03:09:41,080 --> 03:09:44,560
landscaping change or anything like that

5143
03:09:44,560 --> 03:09:46,280
because

5144
03:09:46,280 --> 03:09:47,560
um

5145
03:09:47,560 --> 03:09:51,320
a lot of the need for that parking space

5146
03:09:51,320 --> 03:09:53,280
by the community would be weekends or

5147
03:09:53,280 --> 03:09:54,720
other times that it wouldn't be

5148
03:09:54,720 --> 03:09:57,400
necessary for the BYU employees. I think

5149
03:09:57,400 --> 03:10:00,120
that would be a good faith solution.

5150
03:10:00,120 --> 03:10:02,480
That's a very temporary one just while

5151
03:10:02,480 --> 03:10:04,120
the ASB's being constructed and that

5152
03:10:04,120 --> 03:10:06,360
overflow parking is needed.

5153
03:10:06,360 --> 03:10:09,160
Um, I think we do need to work with the

5154
03:10:09,160 --> 03:10:11,760
BYU since we

5155
03:10:11,760 --> 03:10:14,400
are sharing a property line and we have

5156
03:10:14,400 --> 03:10:16,840
assets that are crossing over that line

5157
03:10:16,840 --> 03:10:19,400
for those parks or the playgrounds to

5158
03:10:19,400 --> 03:10:21,280
get that figured out. And they've been

5159
03:10:21,280 --> 03:10:23,320
pretty good at working with us on things

5160
03:10:23,320 --> 03:10:24,720
like that.

5161
03:10:24,720 --> 03:10:27,120
I am completely opposed to selling the

5162
03:10:27,120 --> 03:10:28,560
property.

5163
03:10:28,560 --> 03:10:30,600
Um, I can remember going to both of

5164
03:10:30,600 --> 03:10:32,120
these playgrounds when I was an

5165
03:10:32,120 --> 03:10:35,120
undergrad and just assuming that the

5166
03:10:35,120 --> 03:10:37,280
reason that there were fences there was

5167
03:10:37,280 --> 03:10:39,520
for restriction during the school day,

5168
03:10:39,520 --> 03:10:41,880
but that those were community assets the

5169
03:10:41,880 --> 03:10:43,440
rest of the time. And I believe that's

5170
03:10:43,440 --> 03:10:45,120
how most people in the community treat

5171
03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:46,120
it,

5172
03:10:46,120 --> 03:10:47,760
um, even if parks hadn't been

5173
03:10:47,760 --> 03:10:49,920
recognizing that officially.

5174
03:10:49,920 --> 03:10:52,680
And I mean, this is where I got engaged.

5175
03:10:52,680 --> 03:10:55,440
So, I've got like a strong emotional

5176
03:10:55,440 --> 03:10:57,640
ties to this park even though I don't

5177
03:10:57,640 --> 03:11:00,400
live next to it.

5178
03:11:00,400 --> 03:11:03,120
And I would also say I wouldn't have any

5179
03:11:03,120 --> 03:11:05,400
trouble either, uh, coming up the

5180
03:11:05,400 --> 03:11:07,720
short-term lease to accommodate,

5181
03:11:07,720 --> 03:11:09,720
you know, construction the next few

5182
03:11:09,720 --> 03:11:11,520
years with I don't have a problem with

5183
03:11:11,520 --> 03:11:13,160
that at all. I heard that a lot from

5184
03:11:13,160 --> 03:11:14,720
constituents that they would be open in

5185
03:11:14,720 --> 03:11:16,160
the spirit of being good neighbors with

5186
03:11:16,160 --> 03:11:17,840
something like that as long as it was,

5187
03:11:17,840 --> 03:11:19,040
um,

5188
03:11:19,040 --> 03:11:21,360
like you said, not altered. The property

5189
03:11:21,360 --> 03:11:23,360
is not altered, just using the existing

5190
03:11:23,360 --> 03:11:25,200
playground and, um,

5191
03:11:25,200 --> 03:11:27,280
and it was beneficial to the city,

5192
03:11:27,280 --> 03:11:29,280
uh, whether it's, you know, the the the

5193
03:11:29,280 --> 03:11:31,600
cost of the lease or potentially

5194
03:11:31,600 --> 03:11:32,800
some kind of contribution towards

5195
03:11:32,800 --> 03:11:37,230
getting it back towards more park space.

5196
03:11:37,240 --> 03:11:38,880
Councilor Bogden.

5197
03:11:38,880 --> 03:11:43,430
John, may I have the captive?

5198
03:11:43,440 --> 03:11:45,560
Um, the one thing that I did hear is the

5199
03:11:45,560 --> 03:11:48,240
people really did like the playground

5200
03:11:48,240 --> 03:11:49,680
that was

5201
03:11:49,680 --> 03:11:51,080
and stuff.

5202
03:11:51,080 --> 03:11:54,000
It is a great asset for young children,

5203
03:11:54,000 --> 03:11:55,720
so that they can just not worry about

5204
03:11:55,720 --> 03:11:57,800
them running around and running in

5205
03:11:57,800 --> 03:11:59,480
places where they shouldn't be. Runners

5206
03:11:59,480 --> 03:12:01,120
are Runners are always a thing under

5207
03:12:01,120 --> 03:12:02,440
five, aren't they?

5208
03:12:02,440 --> 03:12:04,400
But, um, that was really valued. I did

5209
03:12:04,400 --> 03:12:06,080
never hear that they wanted that to go

5210
03:12:06,080 --> 03:12:07,920
away. I don't know what the condition of

5211
03:12:07,920 --> 03:12:09,240
that playground equipment is, and I

5212
03:12:09,240 --> 03:12:11,240
don't know that we know.

5213
03:12:11,240 --> 03:12:14,120
But, um,

5214
03:12:14,120 --> 03:12:17,480
I have heard that residents are making

5215
03:12:17,480 --> 03:12:18,840
their own repairs to some of our

5216
03:12:18,840 --> 03:12:20,480
equipment, so

5217
03:12:20,480 --> 03:12:21,960
the sooner that we can get some of that

5218
03:12:21,960 --> 03:12:23,600
equipment

5219
03:12:23,600 --> 03:12:26,280
redone, I think would be in our best

5220
03:12:26,280 --> 03:12:27,640
interest.

5221
03:12:27,640 --> 03:12:28,920
But, I just wanted to point that out. I

5222
03:12:28,920 --> 03:12:31,080
don't know that they're up for tearing

5223
03:12:31,080 --> 03:12:33,480
down the fencing, just leaving Maybe

5224
03:12:33,480 --> 03:12:35,960
re-signing the fencing so that it's it's

5225
03:12:35,960 --> 03:12:38,120
clear that it's okay to use it, but,

5226
03:12:38,120 --> 03:12:40,440
yeah, keeping those shorties contained

5227
03:12:40,440 --> 03:12:44,080
super useful. Also, I kind of like

5228
03:12:44,080 --> 03:12:46,200
the old school swings and stuff like

5229
03:12:46,200 --> 03:12:49,080
that. I Those are probably not up to any

5230
03:12:49,080 --> 03:12:55,510
kind of standard, but they are

5231
03:12:55,520 --> 03:12:59,510
Hey, any more discussion?

5232
03:12:59,520 --> 03:13:00,840
All right, is that all you need from us?

5233
03:13:00,840 --> 03:13:03,520
Yes. Okay, I think so. Yeah. Thank you.

5234
03:13:03,520 --> 03:13:06,640
to BYU for coming.

5235
03:13:06,640 --> 03:13:08,080
Yeah, the surplus you want cuz it

5236
03:13:08,080 --> 03:13:09,560
doesn't sound like

5237
03:13:09,560 --> 03:13:11,840
there would be support to move it. So,

5238
03:13:11,840 --> 03:13:13,960
I'll talk to BYU about the possibility

5239
03:13:13,960 --> 03:13:14,840
of a

5240
03:13:14,840 --> 03:13:17,120
lease to see if that would work.

5241
03:13:17,120 --> 03:13:18,840
I guess. Thank you, Tara. Thank you,

5242
03:13:18,840 --> 03:13:20,760
BYU, for coming. Yeah, thank you for

5243
03:13:20,760 --> 03:13:22,800
answering our questions. I think both of

5244
03:13:22,800 --> 03:13:24,920
you like to go.

5245
03:13:24,920 --> 03:13:26,600
I think you'd like to go. I don't think

5246
03:13:26,600 --> 03:13:28,680
it's I sent her an email. We just got

5247
03:13:28,680 --> 03:13:30,040
this.

5248
03:13:30,040 --> 03:13:32,720
We have to pivot.

5249
03:13:32,720 --> 03:13:34,920
All right, um, Brian, if you can please

5250
03:13:34,920 --> 03:13:36,960
speak to our closed meeting.

5251
03:13:36,960 --> 03:13:38,880
Yes, we do have an additional topic

5252
03:13:38,880 --> 03:13:41,560
which deals with potential acquisition

5253
03:13:41,560 --> 03:13:44,280
of property which is one of the

5254
03:13:44,280 --> 03:13:47,000
purposes for strategy session regarding

5255
03:13:47,000 --> 03:13:49,360
acquisition property which is a

5256
03:13:49,360 --> 03:13:50,280
permitted

5257
03:13:50,280 --> 03:13:51,800
purpose for a closed meeting in the

5258
03:13:51,800 --> 03:13:53,640
statute. So, it'd be appropriate to move

5259
03:13:53,640 --> 03:13:55,080
to closed meeting

5260
03:13:55,080 --> 03:13:56,480
Great. We have a motion for a closed

5261
03:13:56,480 --> 03:13:56,840
meeting.

5262
03:13:56,840 --> 03:13:58,200
>> In that case, I'll move that we close

5263
03:13:58,200 --> 03:13:59,800
this meeting. Awesome. I will second

5264
03:13:59,800 --> 03:14:03,320
that. Wonderful. We will close the

5265
03:14:03,320 --> 03:14:05,240
meeting.

5266
03:14:05,240 --> 03:14:07,680
Do we need to do a vote? Yes, let's do a

5267
03:14:07,680 --> 03:14:09,360
vote. All right, a vote on doing a

5268
03:14:09,360 --> 03:14:11,240
closed meeting. Councilor Withall? Yes.

5269
03:14:11,240 --> 03:14:13,280
Councilor Bogan? Yes. Councilor McKay?

5270
03:14:13,280 --> 03:14:15,120
Yes. Councilor Christensen? Yes.

5271
03:14:15,120 --> 03:14:15,920
Councilor Withlaw?

5272
03:14:15,920 --> 03:14:17,400
>> Yes. Councilor Garrett?

5273
03:14:17,400 --> 03:14:19,880
>> Yes. And that passes 7-0.

5274
03:14:19,880 --> 03:14:23,320
6-0. 6-0.