[1:59] Mhm.
[3:54] » Mhm.
[5:17] » 17, if you're ready, please go ahead
[5:18] start recording.
[5:27] Excellent. Well, thank you for everybody
[5:29] for showing up today. Um I'll start off
[5:32] with introductions. I'm Beth Provan, I'm
[5:34] PMAC chair.
[5:36] Noel Gordon, PMAC member.
[5:38] Ashley CS, public works.
[5:41] David Keller, PMAC.
[5:43] Steven Brophy, Royal Police Department.
[5:45] Ann Leroux-Smyth, PMAC.
[5:47] Anna Soltys, Development Services
[5:48] Department. Brenda a civil engineer for
[5:50] the city of Auburn.
[5:52] I'm a civil engineer for the city of
[5:53] Auburn.
[5:54] And we have a small crowd today, but
[5:57] hopefully that means we can go fast.
[5:59] Okay, our first action item is approval
[6:01] of minutes from our last meeting.
[6:03] Do you have anybody who would like to
[6:05] approve minutes from our meeting? So
[6:06] moved.
[6:08] I'll second.
[6:10] Perfect. Everybody in favor? I. I.
[6:14] That's great.
[6:15] Okay, our first item of the agenda is
[6:17] the bicycle friendly community survey
[6:19] results, and Vern is going to take this
[6:21] one.
[6:23] Yes, good to talk to you all on this
[6:25] stuff.
[6:49] Okay.
[6:50] I'm working on what this is about.
[6:54] So we finally got our results from the
[6:56] bicycle friendly community survey from
[6:58] the League of American Bicyclists.
[7:00] Um as you know in October of 2024,
[7:07] we set a goal to be able to submit an
[7:10] application to the League of American
[7:13] Bicyclists to improve and increase our
[7:16] award
[7:17] uh level
[7:19] uh for a bicycle friendly community. So
[7:22] we took about 8 months to put that
[7:26] application together. It was 92 pages,
[7:30] 93, somewhere right around there.
[7:32] Um we submitted it in June of 2025.
[7:38] And in December
[7:40] uh well, in January we found out what
[7:43] the results were
[7:44] in January of this year. In that time
[7:48] between we submitted
[7:51] um, the application, um, the League of
[7:54] American Bicyclists decided to, um,
[8:00] perform a community survey in Provo.
[8:04] And they asked us to help promote it and
[8:06] support it, which we did.
[8:08] Um, and so,
[8:11] these are the results of that uh,
[8:13] survey.
[8:15] So, just a little bit of history here.
[8:17] 2003, Provo City applied, but received
[8:20] no award or recognition
[8:23] for their active transportation,
[8:25] specifically bicycle infrastructure
[8:28] improvements.
[8:29] In 2012,
[8:31] uh, it was submitted again, and we
[8:33] received a bronze award.
[8:35] And that award was good for 4 years. We
[8:38] submitted in 2016, 2016,
[8:42] uh, the silver award.
[8:44] And then we got the gold award in 2025.
[8:48] Again, it's good for 4 years. So, when
[8:50] we're talking about friend, uh,
[8:52] bicycle-friendly communities,
[8:54] businesses, or universities,
[8:57] we have two friendly businesses within
[8:59] the city,
[9:00] uh, one friendly university, which is of
[9:03] course BYU.
[9:05] Uh, we do have one local League Cycling
[9:07] Instructor. Overall, Utah ranks the 14th
[9:11] friendliest state for bicycling.
[9:13] Can I talk about bikes? Yeah, and Provo
[9:16] City is a bicycle-friendly one of those
[9:18] two bicycle-friendly communities, aren't
[9:20] they?
[9:21] Um, we're a bicycle-friendly business,
[9:23] too, as an employer.
[9:24] >> Yeah, yeah, as a business as an
[9:25] employer. Provo City? Yes. What does it
[9:27] mean to be a bicycle-friendly business,
[9:29] and what are the two businesses? I'm
[9:31] curious. Well, one Provo City, I think,
[9:34] and I'm not sure what the other one is,
[9:37] to be honest. I would have to look on
[9:40] their website and dig that up. But they
[9:42] have to submit an application, and they
[9:44] have to have
[9:46] uh bike parking at their business. Um
[9:49] and it's more than just bike parking,
[9:50] and maybe even covered bike parking, if
[9:52] I remember correctly. And there are
[9:54] certain things that they maybe have
[9:56] showers for their employees and uh at
[9:59] the business, so they could commute in
[10:01] and then freshen up before the work day.
[10:04] Um there's all types of little nuances
[10:06] that they get graded on when they submit
[10:08] their application. Same thing with the
[10:10] university or BYU.
[10:12] Uh so, the university is the same way.
[10:14] And then, when we submitted ours, ours
[10:16] was, like I said, a 90-plus page
[10:19] application that was
[10:21] daunting, um to say the least.
[10:24] Um
[10:25] so,
[10:26] when they did the survey,
[10:28] um
[10:29] 92 communities, they surveyed 92
[10:32] communities, and we were the second
[10:34] highest
[10:36] uh response rate of any community of
[10:38] those So, we, you know,
[10:41] second best.
[10:42] Um we received 1,326
[10:45] surveys.
[10:46] And then, of course, Provo is one of two
[10:48] gold communities in Utah. The other one
[10:52] is Park City.
[10:56] Uh Park City, so.
[10:58] Um so, let's get into the basically the
[11:02] survey results. Uh participants were
[11:05] asked to select all that apply. So, we
[11:08] had people that live here, people that
[11:10] work here, or people that go to school
[11:11] here.
[11:12] Uh
[11:13] some live in the neighboring city. Uh
[11:15] they might commute in or whatever, or
[11:18] they just uh got wind of it, and so they
[11:20] took the survey.
[11:22] Uh so, you can kind of see where people
[11:24] are at.
[11:25] Uh they ride a bike here, they're
[11:27] actively involved in bike advocacy.
[11:29] There's a a hundred or so that's
[11:31] involved in
[11:33] Um some involved in the statewide bike
[11:35] advocacy.
[11:36] Um some live here seasonal or part-time.
[11:41] Our demographics, this is what they
[11:43] didn't originally give me when I first
[11:46] got the results. I had to uh
[11:49] state the reason why I wanted this data.
[11:52] And so I think the age cohorts were
[11:54] really important for us to get. And then
[11:57] also what was important to get is we
[12:00] talk about
[12:01] gender equality as as far as design and
[12:04] also for disability, we wanted those
[12:06] numbers.
[12:08] So you can kind of see our age cohorts
[12:10] there. Uh 31 to 45 being the largest
[12:13] cohort. I was kind of thinking it might
[12:15] be, you know, uh 22 to 30 but
[12:19] it's close but it wasn't.
[12:21] Um gender you can see pretty well split.
[12:24] Um
[12:26] 49% uh are are the male and then then uh
[12:30] women are make up I believe 46%.
[12:34] Um
[12:35] some chose not to answer.
[12:37] Or affiliated with a
[12:39] different type.
[12:40] Um and then our disability um
[12:44] I thought this was interesting about 11%
[12:47] said yes, they have some type of
[12:49] disability um in that respect. And so as
[12:52] we
[12:53] think about design of our infrastructure
[12:56] for bikes and peds, uh certainly need to
[12:58] keep that in mind.
[13:01] How often do you use a bicycle? Um at
[13:04] least once a week, almost 700
[13:06] respondents said at least once a week,
[13:09] which is pretty pretty healthy.
[13:11] Um some took the survey, over 200 of
[13:14] them, "Well, I never use a bike."
[13:16] I thought that was funny.
[13:18] Um use in the last 30 days, you can see
[13:21] that quite a few people use within the 1
[13:24] to 7 days. It doesn't quite match,
[13:26] right? At least once a week and then
[13:28] once in the last 7 days it doesn't quite
[13:30] match there, but um
[13:34] you can see that there's a strong
[13:36] group of people that do ride a bike. Uh
[13:40] if you total those up, uh certainly with
[13:42] every month they're out on the bike.
[13:46] Primary purpose for your bicycle trips?
[13:49] Um some people just use it for
[13:51] transportation. Uh others use it for
[13:53] exercise, recreation, and work. And then
[13:57] there were a few that said they do not
[13:59] ride.
[14:00] And I'm assuming
[14:02] um
[14:03] that that's
[14:06] um
[14:07] some of the people that do not ride that took the survey.
[14:10] Well over 200 people. So, it's kind of
[14:13] interesting.
[14:15] Welcome Counselor Whipple. Thank you.
[14:18] I hope that wasn't a bike accident.
[14:21] No.
[14:23] But thank you. Okay.
[14:25] You think there is a thing that is
[14:30] Uh we're just going over the
[14:31] bicycle-friendly community survey. Um
[14:35] So, uh top five barriers that prevent
[14:38] you from biking?
[14:39] So, this was asked people who answered
[14:41] that never to the question of how often
[14:44] they bike. But I believe there's about a
[14:46] little over 200 or approaching 250 that
[14:49] said they never bike. And this is the
[14:52] reason why. Uh one, don't have access to
[14:54] bicycle. Uh live too far away from the
[14:57] destinations that they need to go.
[15:00] Um have a bike in a very long time and
[15:02] not confident in riding.
[15:04] Uh weather's not conducive to biking and
[15:06] then I'm not physically able to.
[15:08] So, um
[15:11] what what I saw from that
[15:15] was a positive thing. And the reason why
[15:18] I saw that as positive it wasn't like
[15:20] saying there's lack of infrastructure.
[15:22] Okay. And we'll kind of talk a little
[15:24] bit about that, too.
[15:26] Top five changes that would help
[15:28] encourage you to bike.
[15:30] Uh not interested in biking at all. So,
[15:32] now all of a sudden it shows up that we
[15:35] want more trails and and off-street bike
[15:38] paths.
[15:39] So, that's where a lot of people feel
[15:41] comfortable driving.
[15:42] And then, I like the next three.
[15:45] Eliminating distracted driving.
[15:48] Slowing down car traffic and educating
[15:50] drivers. All three of those to me are
[15:52] the about the same topic, right? The
[15:54] same issue. Falls in that same category.
[15:59] Have you or your kids received any
[16:01] bicycle safety training? Um this is
[16:04] where I think
[16:06] um our fellow nonprofit advocacy groups
[16:10] are missing the boat. Um look how many
[16:14] uh have no in that category in the last
[16:16] 5 years. Nearly 90%. We're just not
[16:19] seeing it taught anywhere. It's not
[16:21] being taught in the schools. It's not
[16:23] being taught at safety fairs. It's not
[16:26] being really promoted. Um so, I think
[16:30] um that would be an area of emphasis if
[16:33] I were a nonprofit and I was really a a
[16:37] bicycle advocacy group, I'd be thinking
[16:39] about that. I'd be looking into that.
[16:42] Uh training received in K-12.
[16:45] Uh you see what we finally did get some,
[16:48] um but it's more than 2/3, you know,
[16:52] basically not receiving any of that. Um
[16:55] I like the back-to-school safety fairs
[16:57] and when they come down and they teach
[16:59] kids how to ride and give away free
[17:00] helmets. They do these bike safety
[17:03] fairs. I really like that.
[17:09] Yeah. There's a couple schools that
[17:11] really embrace it. Um and the highway
[17:13] safety office is really a good
[17:15] organization that helps promote some of
[17:17] that.
[17:18] Um
[17:19] even zero fatalities
[17:23] uh will help out
[17:25] with
[17:26] educating these elementary schools.
[17:29] Bike Utah
[17:30] has a curriculum, too.
[17:33] Yeah, Bike Utah does have some
[17:36] curriculum, and that's where I think
[17:38] you know, they can't do every single
[17:40] school in the state, of course. They're
[17:42] underpowered and understaffed in that
[17:44] respect, but
[17:46] I think uh local advocacy for educating
[17:50] um would would it could improve there.
[17:54] Okay.
[17:55] Uh let's move on to the next one. Are
[17:58] bike paths or bike lanes available
[18:00] within a quarter mile of where you live?
[18:03] So, almost 2/3 have said, "Yes, there
[18:07] are bike paths or paths away from the
[18:09] road." But then, if you go to the bike
[18:12] lanes,
[18:13] look at that, 90%
[18:15] live within a quarter of a mile of
[18:17] on-street bike lane.
[18:19] So, that is great, but I really like to
[18:23] see how we can improve some of the bike paths away from the road, too,
[18:29] or
[18:31] do we need to convert some of these to
[18:33] protected bike lanes so they feel more
[18:36] comfortable in that respect?
[18:39] How satisfied are you with how this
[18:40] community is designed for making bike
[18:42] riding safe?
[18:44] Some were very satisfied, some were
[18:46] somewhat satisfied. And then, if you
[18:48] take a look at neither satisfied or
[18:51] dissatisfied,
[18:53] um all the way down to very
[18:54] dissatisfied, you'll see that all those
[18:57] add up to less than the amount that's
[19:00] happy or somewhat satisfied.
[19:03] So,
[19:03] I I take that as as kind of a positive
[19:06] thing, but also we need to continue to
[19:11] um
[19:12] implement our plans and build more
[19:14] infrastructure.
[19:16] Is it safe or dangerous to ride in a
[19:18] bicycle in your neighborhood? Some
[19:19] people think that it's fun.
[19:22] When you give someone the middle
[19:23] opportunity, it depends instead of
[19:26] forcing them to say yes or no,
[19:28] you're going to get a lot of that it it
[19:30] depends type thing and that's what we
[19:32] see here.
[19:35] Always. Yeah.
[19:37] No, it depends. Yeah.
[19:40] You can always think of a situation that
[19:42] you go either way. Yeah. Yeah, that's
[19:44] funny.
[19:46] Top reasons you feel it is dangerous to
[19:48] ride a bicycle in your neighborhood. I
[19:50] think these are important to realize
[19:52] again that this centers around a little
[19:54] bit of our traffic. Only one really says
[19:58] too few bike lanes or bike paths. The
[20:00] other four, in my opinion, kind of
[20:04] relate to us as motorists,
[20:07] distracted drivers or riders. So,
[20:09] there's there's distracted bicyclists
[20:12] out there, too. I'm going to say I'd
[20:14] really be interested to see this broken
[20:16] down between cuz they said fast-moving
[20:18] traffic.
[20:20] I would really be interested to see this
[20:21] broken down
[20:23] are they doing it from a person who's on
[20:25] a pedal manpower bike or are they doing
[20:28] it from a perspective of a person on an
[20:30] e-bike? Yeah. And what is the breakdown
[20:33] of oh, there's fast-moving traffic. Are
[20:35] you talking about the cars? Are you
[20:36] talking about e-bikes and all of the
[20:39] electric stuff that's out there now that
[20:41] are using the bike lanes along with
[20:42] people who pedal bikes. I I would tend
[20:45] to believe that this relates more to the
[20:47] fast-moving vehicular traffic and the
[20:49] only reason I say that is because this
[20:51] is not a pedestrian survey.
[20:54] I was If this was a pedestrian survey,
[20:56] we got people that walk on our trails
[20:58] all the time and then when we have
[21:01] bicyclists or the the bicyclists with electric
[21:06] scooters going really fast. It's It's
[21:09] not very comfortable.
[21:11] >> The only reason I asked that is because
[21:12] distracted
[21:14] drivers/riders implies that it's more
[21:16] than just right. There is. Yeah, and it
[21:19] could be motorcyclists, too.
[21:21] You know.
[21:22] Um
[21:24] A motorcyclist can scare the heck out of
[21:26] someone.
[21:28] Just Just by Yeah, revving it up. At
[21:31] least he can
[21:32] Now And now And that's the whole point.
[21:35] Do you know why motorcyclists do that,
[21:37] right? So, you hear them that they're
[21:40] there. They want their presence to be
[21:42] known, so they don't
[21:45] get hit. Um that's why a lot of them do
[21:47] it.
[21:48] Hi, Steve. Yep. Okay. It's also a matter
[21:51] of pride.
[21:52] Steve and I both ride motorcycles, so
[21:57] I just want you guys to know how cool I
[21:58] am.
[22:00] If you spend $2,000 on those
[22:02] well-cared-for
[22:04] this thing
[22:05] >> Noise goes along with that, too. I see
[22:07] pedestrians. Most people see
[22:08] pedestrians. I see willing observers of
[22:11] my awesomeness.
[22:15] We'll get We'll get that in a minute.
[22:17] You're very proud of the new Harley
[22:19] pipes they've converted on their bikes,
[22:21] right? Or the lack thereof.
[22:26] Okay, top three recommendations to
[22:27] become more bicycle friendly. More
[22:30] protected or separated bike
[22:31] infrastructure.
[22:33] Better driver behavior through education
[22:35] and enforcement. And then finally, a
[22:37] connected continuous bike route network.
[22:40] And a connected continuous bike network
[22:43] is a reflection on the region, not
[22:45] necessarily just Provo by itself. So,
[22:48] for me, it's the Provo-Orem region,
[22:50] although we're doing a study right now
[22:52] to connect Springville, and we're going
[22:54] to be doing another study, uh it sounds
[22:56] like, with the Lake Authority and MAG to
[22:59] look at the extension of the lake and
[23:03] Utah County to the Lake Utah going south
[23:07] through Springville and Spanish Fork.
[23:10] Top three hazards or barriers that
[23:12] should be addressed immediately.
[23:15] So this is education of drivers. There's This is a common theme
[23:19] throughout this survey. is that
[23:23] bicyclists are feeling unsafe because of
[23:27] the distracted driving
[23:29] uh behavior. So
[23:31] um unprotected or missing bike
[23:32] infrastructure. That's why I like to get
[23:35] those connected. Um
[23:38] Protected is another story. Uh there's
[23:41] the protected bike lanes that we have on
[23:44] Cougar
[23:45] are people like them and people hate
[23:47] them. There's not really anybody in
[23:49] between. Uh even bicyclists themselves
[23:53] will tell me, "I don't like it." or "I
[23:55] love it."
[23:57] Even them themselves are are saying,
[23:59] "Hey, this is as controversial as a a
[24:01] driver."
[24:03] Then obstructions and maintenance and I think that's a common theme with
[24:07] rocks and tires and just We see it all
[24:10] over the interstate and we do a better
[24:12] job with the maintenance and getting rid
[24:15] of some of the obstructions.
[24:18] Top three community efforts that are
[24:19] deserving of praise.
[24:21] Uh the bike trails and off-street. I
[24:23] mean, people love the Provo River Trail.
[24:25] It's a gem. We're happy to have it. I
[24:28] wish we had more of it along the river,
[24:30] but that's what we have.
[24:32] Bike lanes and protected infrastructure
[24:34] like Cougar Boulevard. Again, this is
[24:36] coming from the the people that took the
[24:39] survey and then bike walk Provo and
[24:41] community programs. And then we love our
[24:44] advocacy groups because they help
[24:46] fulfill needs that
[24:50] as a city we don't fulfill, right? Uh
[24:53] they help with uh Uh, I and and we got
[24:56] to continue to see our Provo Bike Club get up and running
[25:01] again
[25:03] because they do things that help us as a
[25:06] community
[25:07] uh, with giving away bikes, um,
[25:10] teaching how to repair bikes, teaching
[25:12] bike safety,
[25:14] um, and quite frankly employing a few
[25:16] people, too.
[25:18] So, there are some positive things there
[25:20] that we need to make sure that that particular uh, advocacy group
[25:25] continues forward.
[25:28] Uh, top three other comments and
[25:29] feedback, feeling unsafe due to driver
[25:32] behavior. I think we know that that's a
[25:34] pretty common theme. Uh, strong divide
[25:36] between bike support and car first
[25:38] perspectives. And that is not a Provo or
[25:41] a Utah thing. That is a nationwide
[25:44] thing. And the upcoming transportation
[25:47] bill,
[25:48] um,
[25:50] they're kind of inhibit all funding for
[25:53] bicyclists and active transportation in
[25:55] that bill. That would be wrong and that
[25:57] would set us back.
[25:58] >> What bill?
[26:00] So, every five or six years the
[26:01] transportation surface bill comes along,
[26:04] surface transportation bill comes along.
[26:06] At the federal level? At the federal
[26:08] level. And it will come out probably in
[26:11] September-October time frame of this
[26:13] year.
[26:14] And there are
[26:16] reports that they are going to be
[26:20] roadway centric instead of
[26:23] uh, what we've seen in the past couple
[26:24] of bills where we have support for both
[26:28] bicycle infrastructure and pedestrian
[26:29] infrastructure.
[26:31] And then finally, lack of education
[26:33] enforcement
[26:35] uh, surrounding e-bikes and scooters.
[26:37] Uh, this committee is no stranger to
[26:39] that conversation.
[26:43] Right?
[26:44] Okay.
[26:45] Um, recommendations to go from a gold,
[26:49] which again only two communities in the
[26:51] state of Utah are gold, Park City and
[26:53] Provo.
[26:54] And
[26:56] um if we want to go to
[26:59] five.
[27:00] Um these are some of the recommendations
[27:03] and they all
[27:05] have
[27:06] budgetary constraints for the most part.
[27:11] And and you know, I can argue a couple
[27:13] of those we need to do.
[27:15] Um and a couple of those I can argue
[27:19] we're doing great by this being a shared
[27:24] responsibility across
[27:27] departments of the city as opposed to
[27:30] one full-time paid bicycle program
[27:32] manager.
[27:34] So,
[27:35] um
[27:37] that's some of the recommendations they
[27:38] gave us.
[27:39] And it's in our report card that they
[27:41] give us as feedback.
[27:43] Overall, I'm really happy and excited
[27:45] that we went from silver to gold. I
[27:48] think it's a real feather in the cap of
[27:50] Provo City.
[27:52] Just so you know, uh since that time
[27:55] I've been in
[27:57] asked to participate in two webinars
[28:00] uh because we went from silver to gold,
[28:02] which I have done.
[28:03] And next week I 20 people were invited
[28:07] uh to a international symposium being
[28:11] held in Detroit next Wednesday and
[28:13] Thursday. 20 people across the country
[28:16] that deal with transportation mobility
[28:18] in their communities.
[28:20] And I was selected as one of those. I
[28:21] didn't put in for it, but we got
[28:23] selected. Um
[28:25] and it's because of all the things that
[28:28] we have here.
[28:30] People don't realize we have a
[28:31] world-class
[28:33] rail system.
[28:35] Both on the freight side, but more
[28:36] importantly on the commuter rail side,
[28:39] we have a world-class BRT system. Before
[28:42] COVID, it was the second highest
[28:44] ridership in the country.
[28:47] Um only Portland was beating this out.
[28:50] Um, and then we have done so well with
[28:54] our uh bike and active transportation uh
[28:58] infrastructure that we put forth and
[29:01] have built.
[29:02] And so, not to mention some of the
[29:05] freight and some of that other stuff
[29:07] that um
[29:08] we have nationally recognized for.
[29:10] You have a great transportation system,
[29:13] you're going to have a great economy.
[29:16] And just yesterday I heard that we were
[29:19] that for the 19th year in a row, Utah
[29:22] has the best economic outlook of any
[29:24] state in the country.
[29:25] Transportation has a lot to do with
[29:27] that.
[29:28] Okay, comments, questions, suggestions.
[29:30] Uh I presented this in front of T-MAC.
[29:32] You guys are the first ones to see it.
[29:34] Uh it goes to City Council work session
[29:36] if they want it. I submitted I think I
[29:38] submitted it today.
[29:40] Um
[29:41] and then it will go to uh I'm presenting
[29:43] it in front of Bike Walk on May 7th
[29:45] uh at their
[29:47] uh meeting at their monthly coordination
[29:49] meeting.
[29:52] Uh I'm going to make a comment but I'm
[29:53] going to make a comment probably more
[29:55] towards my neighborhood
[29:58] versus T-MAC road.
[30:00] Uh when we were talking about the
[30:01] Southwest Provo plan, we talked about
[30:04] integrating trails inside communities in
[30:09] the Southwest and that was kind of
[30:11] knocked down, unfortunately, but I think
[30:13] it's going to be up to the council
[30:15] whether they want to change policies and
[30:19] developments, building developments and
[30:20] building out especially in the area like
[30:23] Southwest Provo to be able to add these
[30:25] bike lanes and bike friendly communities
[30:28] that would be separated from the main
[30:30] traffic lanes and be able to up that
[30:33] active transportation in that area.
[30:35] Yeah, and I can let you know in our
[30:37] review
[30:39] um
[30:40] uh both Development Services and Public
[30:42] works get together every Monday and
[30:44] Wednesday and we review projects.
[30:46] There's a subdivision coming in.
[30:49] And
[30:50] first thing we said, right? Hey, that's
[30:52] a that's a waterway and you need to
[30:55] develop a bike trail along that trail
[30:57] along that waterway.
[30:58] So
[30:59] I'm happy to hear that actually. Not
[31:02] only is staff very cognizant of that,
[31:05] but so is the planning commission and
[31:06] city council.
[31:08] I've seen nothing but Hey,
[31:10] we're you know, if you're going to do
[31:12] this, you need to add that. So
[31:15] I've just been impressed with the planning commission and city council
[31:19] being very aware of these types of
[31:21] developments.
[31:23] And getting them off of just the
[31:24] collectors, right? Having the
[31:25] neighborhood bike ways.
[31:29] Thoughts?
[31:30] And the council we got a couple council
[31:32] members here, T-Mac members.
[31:36] Again, we were the second best in the
[31:37] country for having the most responses
[31:39] and I think that said a lot of what
[31:42] Joseph's not here today, but Joseph and
[31:44] I immediately ordered 40 signs. We got
[31:47] the council, we got the mayor's office,
[31:49] we got everybody tweeting it out or
[31:51] posting it on social media and then we
[31:53] went out along the trail, we placed I
[31:55] think we placed 40 or 50 uh
[31:58] you know, garage sale political signs
[32:00] all over along the trails, BYU campus.
[32:04] By the way, we could only locate about
[32:06] 25 of them when we went to pick them up
[32:08] a year month later.
[32:10] Um
[32:11] So really really happy about that and I
[32:14] think that says a lot of Provo
[32:17] residents who who want to be heard and they certainly have been with that
[32:22] survey. Were they all Provo residents?
[32:24] Did that controlled No. They were all
[32:27] Provo residents. In fact
[32:28] >> it more than once?
[32:29] Um
[32:31] I don't think they were allowed to do it
[32:34] more than once. I can't remember, but
[32:37] we'll go back to
[32:39] the survey itself.
[32:41] Uh
[32:43] Where is that?
[32:46] Here, let me go further back.
[32:48] That was that it right there?
[32:50] Uh participants were asked to select all
[32:52] that apply, and you can see that there
[32:55] were some that live in a neighboring
[32:57] city.
[32:58] Uh some work or go to school here.
[33:01] Oh
[33:02] there you
[33:05] So, if you think this is valuable, we
[33:07] just put it down for a work session for
[33:09] 5-10 minute presentation to you
[33:12] and the rest of members.
[33:19] And that's like
[33:21] Oh, you can get your bike back through
[33:23] the portal. So, that's what we tried to
[33:24] explain to you all.
[33:26] We said we have the mandatory bike
[33:28] registration. In fact, it's not
[33:29] mandatory, is it? It's voluntary.
[33:32] It is mandatory.
[33:33] >> It is mandatory. So, we have to
[33:35] So, that allows the police officers to
[33:37] return a stolen bike. Yeah, it really
[33:40] helps.
[33:41] Probably one of our biggest
[33:44] advocacies as far as getting the stolen
[33:46] bikes back is that bike registration.
[33:49] And I think we need to say that. I
[33:51] thought we did in the application.
[33:54] >> No, like they got to come down to the
[33:55] police department anymore. You literally
[33:56] just submit it online. You guys believe
[33:58] that people ride bikes to work
[34:00] actually need to use them
[34:03] Very easy to get your bike registered.
[34:05] It's not like it's a
[34:07] Why didn't you
[34:07] >> register in a car?
[34:09] No, I have to register my bike because
[34:11] if they get my bike stolen, your odds of
[34:13] getting it back are much, much higher if
[34:15] it's been registered. And how much does
[34:17] it cost? Is it free? Free. It's free.
[34:19] >> It's free. As long as it says free, we
[34:21] should be able to make that argument,
[34:23] counselor.
[34:24] Okay? And I think It used to be a
[34:26] dollar. Bike walking encourages people
[34:29] to do that. So, we just need to say
[34:32] education back to education.
[34:37] Okay, we showed that my chart again and
[34:40] showed why people are bicycling. I
[34:41] thought it said 0% for work.
[34:44] For what?
[34:45] Uh, is that before this one? Was that
[34:47] one I think right?
[34:52] Uh,
[34:53] which chart?
[34:55] The pie chart? And
[34:57] 0% for work, is that legit?
[35:00] Transportation and recreation. I think
[35:02] they're probably included that
[35:04] transportation. So, that would be a
[35:06] survey question.
[35:08] >> Speaking like, are you a bike cop?
[35:10] After you ride a bicycle to work? Well,
[35:11] I think we we didn't know if they were
[35:13] driving to work.
[35:14] It just seems I understand like like in New York, right? They use
[35:19] bicyclists to deliver packages and stuff
[35:21] like that.
[35:22] Somebody that rides a bike for their
[35:24] job. Yeah, I I think it's
[35:27] we don't have too many
[35:29] people delivering packages in New York.
[35:32] I know I see a lot of Door Dashers on
[35:35] bikes.
[35:39] In higher density cities, they're there.
[35:45] Anything else anybody wanted to see? And
[35:48] is this correct? I just did, of course,
[35:49] Google Gemini is not the source of all
[35:51] truth as I've discovered, but there are
[35:54] no platinum level bicycle communities in
[35:56] Utah. There's only three country wide is
[35:59] what it says. Yes. That is That is
[36:01] correct. Fort Collins became a platinum
[36:04] level community
[36:05] this year, this go around with us, and
[36:08] Boulder lost their platinum community
[36:10] because they didn't stay up and submit.
[36:13] They didn't resubmit. Oh. And uh They
[36:17] probably haven't degraded their
[36:18] services. They just didn't do
[36:21] That is correct. And that's kind of a challenge, you know,
[36:24] with this cuz it does take a
[36:26] considerable effort to put forth. That That's money, right? I mean, that's
[36:31] Yeah. Yeah, it's too bad you can't just
[36:33] say, "We're still here." and like skip
[36:36] the paperwork. I know.
[36:38] Put it this way. Um
[36:40] with the amount of work that we put
[36:41] forth and the amount of
[36:44] funding that we were able to prove that
[36:46] we put forth on active transportation
[36:48] over the last 5 years,
[36:51] if we were to receive a silver status
[36:54] award,
[36:56] I would have recommended that we're done
[36:58] with the League of American Bicyclists.
[37:01] Um just because if you can't get it
[37:04] investing 21 million over the over the
[37:06] last 5 years, how do you get it, right?
[37:10] And so, um but they came through. And
[37:13] I'm all supportive. Like I said, they've
[37:15] asked me to participate in a couple
[37:16] webinars now, and I'm totally
[37:19] supportive, and their colleagues are very professional,
[37:23] and um in fact,
[37:26] I've been asked now to help review other
[37:28] people's uh
[37:31] applications,
[37:32] um and be able to provide feedback. And
[37:35] one of the things I'm going to provide feedback is those two items that
[37:39] we just talked about. One is the bike
[37:41] registration, and the other one is one
[37:43] full-time person. Cuz I honestly don't
[37:46] believe that one full-time program
[37:48] manager is going to be able to do all
[37:51] that all the departments participate in
[37:54] and and bicycle infrastructure.
[38:02] I'm going to this.
[38:05] Yeah.
[38:06] So, I I I want to be Yeah, this would be
[38:09] my first year I get to review. It's such
[38:11] a pain that no one can review additional
[38:14] places that would apply
[38:16] if it wasn't so lengthy. Yeah, I think
[38:18] it is a little
[38:21] intimidating and maybe even cost
[38:22] prohibitive from other cities. I was
[38:25] telling this to a consultant,
[38:27] uh friend of mine, and she said, "Bern,
[38:30] you know that's what we're here for,
[38:32] right?"
[38:33] I said, "I know, but
[38:35] I didn't want to come in and spend money
[38:37] right away on something I thought we
[38:39] could do in-house.
[38:41] Maybe next time in 4 years it might be
[38:43] something, but now that we've got most
[38:45] of the application filled out
[38:49] and the way it is, I think it'll be
[38:50] easier next time. We know where to
[38:52] collect the data, we know how to obtain
[38:54] the data, so I think in-house will be
[38:56] the way to go next time. It'll be a
[38:58] little easier for us.
[39:02] Okay.
[39:02] >> It says here, of course, once again,
[39:03] this is Google Gemini, so but this says
[39:06] that Provo, Park City, and Salt Lake are
[39:08] all gold. Is Salt Lake not?
[39:10] >> not.
[39:11] There's an error. Not gold. Moab and
[39:13] Cottonwood Heights, silver. Does that
[39:15] sound right?
[39:16] >> Uh yeah, that's probably that's probably
[39:18] right. Yep.
[39:19] And then Davis, California, Fort
[39:21] Collins, Colorado, Madison, Wisconsin.
[39:23] They say Provo's a recent upgrade to
[39:25] gold was fueled by an investment of
[39:27] approximately $21 million in bike
[39:29] infrastructure since 2020 with another
[39:31] 46 million
[39:33] projected over the next 5 years. Given
[39:35] that trajectory, it is the most likely
[39:37] candidate to eventually reach platinum
[39:39] in the state. I cannot believe that
[39:41] something is that accurate on that AI.
[39:46] That was all accurate.
[39:48] I don't like Gemini challenging you to
[39:49] reach platinum.
[39:51] What it sounds like. I didn't I didn't
[39:53] say it was Provo, you know. That's that's spot on. Okay. Okay.
[39:59] Awesome. Well, thank you so much.
[40:02] I appreciate that.
[40:03] Um we do have one item of business that
[40:06] I kind of
[40:07] brushed over real quick. Uh our June
[40:10] meeting, because it's on June 18th,
[40:13] and there are several members that are
[40:15] not going to be able to.
[40:18] Uh we would want to to move that one
[40:20] week earlier to June 11th.
[40:29] Just say yes, that's a good thing. I'm
[40:31] very happy.
[40:32] It's June 11th. And was there a reason
[40:34] we didn't also explore June 25th?
[40:38] I would like not cuz that is
[40:41] 5 days before my daughter's wedding.
[40:42] Okay, I understand. It is my June 11th
[40:45] sounds better. I think June 11th is 7
[40:48] days before my son's wedding. Well, I
[40:49] will not be I will not be as involved as
[40:52] you were as a mom. I get that.
[40:55] You know, fewer than Anybody else got
[40:57] children Apparently this is the year for
[40:59] marriage. The 25th will be done.
[41:02] Patrice, you got children of marrying
[41:04] age, don't you?
[41:05] Yes.
[41:07] You got 7 days, 5 days. I guess
[41:10] Okay. And then that's it.
[41:12] That work for everybody? June 11th? June
[41:14] 11th. Perfect. Okay, let's I we do we
[41:17] have to say we move to
[41:19] Is this an approval thing or just a
[41:21] It's not an action item.
[41:23] It's an action item. Um if you wanted
[41:26] to, you could have someone make a
[41:27] motion, but I think it's just us
[41:29] advertising it correctly.
[41:32] So, June 11th it will be.
[41:34] Okay. We're going to go through this
[41:37] next item pretty quick. Uh East-West
[41:39] connectivity discussion, this is going
[41:40] to be our big major
[41:42] kind of thing for the year. Uh I've
[41:44] already asked Burn to pull some numbers
[41:46] for the next uh next meeting. We're
[41:49] going to be pulling a lot of numbers
[41:50] about road capacity, differences between
[41:53] arterial connectors, all of that stuff
[41:55] to kind of get an idea of what our roads
[41:58] are in the city and what the capacity
[41:59] they're at right now. Is there anybody
[42:02] who has something a burning desire for
[42:06] information that maybe Burn can provide?
[42:10] And we're And this is regards to we're
[42:12] talking from the lake to the mountains
[42:14] is what we're we're looking at the whole
[42:16] spectrum of East-West connectivity.
[42:24] What she has asked me to put together,
[42:26] just so you're aware, will go over the
[42:28] functional classification of our street
[42:30] system. So, we'll talk about locals,
[42:32] collectors, and arterials.
[42:34] Uh with that, we'll talk about uh
[42:37] the cross sections that correspond
[42:40] equally to the local collectors and
[42:42] arterials if they were being built
[42:44] today.
[42:45] Standards have changed since 1849.
[42:48] Um
[42:49] and then
[42:50] we will look at some volumes of our
[42:53] East-West connections, a few
[42:54] north-south, but mostly East-West. And
[42:57] we'll look at volume to capacity ratios.
[43:00] So,
[43:02] um it's important to maybe look at And
[43:04] these will be pre-numbers prior to the
[43:07] 820 North Bridge and 820 North closing.
[43:10] So, we'll have some pretty good numbers
[43:11] from 2023.
[43:13] Um
[43:15] and then we'll talk about that capacity.
[43:17] And you guys can kind of look at that
[43:19] and and
[43:21] really start to say, "Well, jeez, if
[43:23] we're at this much percentage capacity
[43:25] already on the roadways, where's our
[43:27] next East-West connectivity?"
[43:29] We all know the barriers, right? We have
[43:31] the river, we have I-15, we have the
[43:33] railroad tracks, just to name a few.
[43:40] I I've kind of also asked him to look at
[43:43] how easy it is to get to university and
[43:45] then the time from university to
[43:47] freeways and our regional
[43:50] transportation hubs and
[43:53] universities is one of our major hubs,
[43:55] also. So,
[43:56] we can get to university, how does how
[43:58] long does it take to get from university
[44:00] to the freeway?
[44:01] And we have major routes
[44:03] of commuting and everything that affects
[44:06] our
[44:07] people coming in and
[44:08] Yeah, University Avenue, sorry. Not Not
[44:10] Parkway. Oh, I was going to make you say
[44:12] G University, like Oh, I hear what
[44:15] you're saying.
[44:16] Well, yeah, we all know BYU is a little
[44:18] chunk that you have to get around.
[44:20] Right.
[44:23] Any other
[44:26] information you guys might want to look
[44:28] at?
[44:31] I think we've got some partial
[44:34] connectors, right? Like it's a good
[44:35] east-west if you're east of University
[44:38] or if you're west of University, but
[44:40] those two chunks don't necessarily look
[44:43] continuous.
[44:44] We've got much
[44:46] far fewer continuous ones that go all
[44:48] the way across.
[44:50] Yeah, and we got a couple that are just
[44:52] two blocks away for maybe I mean
[44:55] a a full activity.
[44:58] So, we'll we'll we can talk about that.
[45:00] We'll show the plan and we'll just kind
[45:02] of
[45:03] talk about
[45:04] uh
[45:05] two connections that we do have planned
[45:07] uh to make and then if the council came
[45:11] across, you know, 100 million, what
[45:14] other connections we wanted to do and so
[45:16] we'll talk about the 920 overpass to
[45:19] uh State Street uh
[45:21] over the railroad crossing.
[45:23] So, we'll talk about a couple fun
[45:24] things.
[45:25] I know something that citizens of talk
[45:28] to me about on the west side is um
[45:30] getting an ambulance getting to the
[45:32] hospital on the west side.
[45:35] You know, what happens if you run into
[45:36] the train and how much longer it takes
[45:37] and how much longer it would be if there
[45:39] was better connectivity there, if we
[45:40] could go go over the tracks under the
[45:41] tracks so you don't run into the tracks.
[45:43] I don't know, that's been a That's
[45:46] something I didn't think about until
[45:48] they talked to me about it, but they're worried about getting out if
[45:51] there was some
[45:53] disaster
[45:55] get the higher land and ambulance trips.
[45:58] And
[46:00] I was talking to a gentleman last week
[46:03] um talking about the west side,
[46:05] particularly the southwest side. And how
[46:08] they were saying they just don't have a
[46:09] lot of transportation options and
[46:12] I've been here a long time, so I
[46:14] immediately said you have two new ones
[46:17] that you didn't have 10 years ago.
[46:19] Okay? That is the connection I-15 at
[46:22] Lake View Parkway. That wasn't here 10
[46:24] years ago.
[46:25] And 500 West underneath the tracks or
[46:28] underneath I-15 wasn't here uh
[46:32] 10 years ago, right? Uh we have those on
[46:35] our plan. And so now instead of just
[46:38] having them have to either go up to 920
[46:40] or Center Street, now they got 5th West
[46:43] and Lake View Parkway. So there's four
[46:45] that Southwest Pro has connection to.
[46:49] But
[46:50] Brian, we have to evacuate somehow
[46:54] you know, 30,000 people on the west
[46:56] side, how would it do that?
[47:00] Oh, excellent.
[47:02] Brian's going to pull numbers for us the
[47:04] next time we will On another point, I
[47:06] also know that um
[47:08] Polynesian is willing to do a punch
[47:10] through. And that's one of the two that
[47:12] we're going to show next week or next
[47:15] month.
[47:17] If you would have had it on the 25th,
[47:19] that would have given me more time to
[47:20] prepare, but you got me on the 11th, so.
[47:25] Okay.
[47:27] any other comments, questions,
[47:29] concerns about about East West
[47:30] connectivity. I'm interested to know
[47:32] that Google Gemini thinks that the TMA
[47:35] is currently conducting a data-driven
[47:37] East-West connectivity study with key
[47:39] areas of focus including the freeway as
[47:41] a barrier, bench to freeway connections,
[47:44] and the 820 North Corridor project. Is
[47:47] it Is it listening to us? No, I'm asking
[47:49] questions, but I'm kind of like oh, I
[47:51] did not know this.
[47:53] Anyway, there you
[47:59] So Is that Microsoft's one or No, no, it's Google Gemini. Google Gemini.
[48:04] Yeah. I I I actually just asked it how
[48:06] well does the Provo um
[48:08] transportation master plan Just prove
[48:11] follow FHWA and other national
[48:13] guidelines for spacing of facilities.
[48:15] So, What did it say about that? Uh it
[48:17] says we are lacking in east-west
[48:19] connectivity.
[48:21] That's half the discussion, right? And
[48:23] the three principal things that are
[48:25] problems are the I-15 Freeway, the Union
[48:28] Pacific FrontRunner Rail Corridor, and
[48:31] Provo River and topography. I I'm
[48:33] serious. That thing is listening to us.
[48:35] It's not. Right now.
[48:36] >> But I am concerned that it thinks C-MAC
[48:38] is doing this so much better.
[48:41] So, there you go.
[48:42] I have a buddy.
[48:44] Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that.
[48:45] I'll have to look at Gemini.
[48:47] Okay. Our last item on the agenda is
[48:50] engineering projects update.
[48:54] Oh, I should be
[48:56] Yeah, engineering project updates. I
[48:58] don't have a official presentation that
[49:01] uh
[49:02] that I'm going to pull up, but I'm what
[49:03] I'm going to do is In fact, I should go
[49:06] Two weeks ago, I presented I was invited
[49:08] as a guest speaker uh for one of the
[49:11] classes of Professor McFarland who's out
[49:13] of country.
[49:15] Um I presented to a group of 45-50
[49:18] students. The presentation was well
[49:20] received. The city was
[49:22] uh appreciated and applauded for all the
[49:24] hard work we do, specifically targeting
[49:26] transportation um areas, active
[49:28] transportation to to be specific.
[49:31] Uh the citizens were pretty short on
[49:33] other methods that we look as city
[49:36] officials, such as CDBG grants, MAG
[49:38] grants, and UDOT grants, and other state
[49:41] and federal grants that we apply for to
[49:43] get some of these uh gaps or
[49:46] safety active transportation issues uh
[49:48] resolved in the quickest manner. So, uh
[49:50] very I would say it was uh, a very
[49:53] engaging class and um,
[49:55] uh, very well received on their end um,
[49:58] the presentation that I um, that I gave.
[50:01] Uh, for this meeting, the projects that
[50:03] I want to kind of go over um, we did
[50:06] started our crack seal project about 3
[50:08] weeks ago. The project is going well um,
[50:11] it is a little bit on the slower side.
[50:12] The weather has a lot to do with it.
[50:14] Whenever we have rain and and cold
[50:15] weather,
[50:16] those are the days that um, our
[50:18] contractor, they do not work. Uh, but
[50:21] overall, they're targeting two areas,
[50:23] the Grandview area as well as the South
[50:25] State Street by California Avenue,
[50:27] Nevada Avenue, those areas.
[50:29] Um, no major issues or complaints, so
[50:31] things are going well um,
[50:34] our 9th East 9th South sidewalk project,
[50:36] um, that project is about to start on
[50:39] April 20th.
[50:41] Uh, we did notify residents. Our
[50:43] contractor's on board. Uh, we're ready
[50:45] to go. Um,
[50:47] get that project started.
[50:49] Uh, 5th North Freedom Boulevard, the
[50:52] signal project, we're going to be
[50:54] redoing the signal at that location.
[50:56] We're also going to be implementing an
[50:58] innovation grant that I received last
[51:00] year.
[51:01] Uh, we're going to be implementing that
[51:03] also as part of this project and our
[51:06] contractor is
[51:08] already on board. We're going to start
[51:10] that project sometime the month of June
[51:12] and July. Reason being, there's a
[51:14] 3-month
[51:16] backlog of signal equipment. So, I
[51:18] placed my signal order
[51:20] to state furnished materials and they
[51:22] told me we're going to wait 3 months.
[51:23] So, once we have our equipment, we can
[51:26] get started on that project.
[51:28] Um, our two CDBG projects, we had our,
[51:31] in fact, we had our pre-construction
[51:32] today, this morning and we're going to
[51:35] start those two projects on April 27th.
[51:39] There's two neighborhoods we're going to
[51:40] be targeting, Franklin neighborhood,
[51:42] we're doing about 32 ADA ramps in
[51:44] Franklin neighborhood.
[51:46] And then we're going to go to Foothill
[51:47] neighborhood where we're going to do Oh,
[51:49] I can't even remember a whole bunch of
[51:51] more ADA ramps, sidewalks,
[51:53] um and and some driveways and things of
[51:56] that nature.
[51:57] Um our goal is to to bring those
[51:59] sidewalks and ADA ramps to compliancy.
[52:01] So,
[52:02] we're looking forward
[52:03] >> What's the situation that we do
[52:04] driveway?
[52:07] That if you want to get your driveway
[52:08] done, is it
[52:10] question?
[52:10] >> No, we're when when when we have to pay
[52:12] for a driveway. So, sometimes the access
[52:16] if we're messing around converting uh
[52:20] curb and gutter to uh standard curb and
[52:23] gutters to the deep trough, you have to
[52:25] chase that a little bit and so you have
[52:27] to relay that the concrete between the
[52:30] street and the sidewalk if there's a
[52:32] park strip. And if it's monolithic or
[52:35] combination where the curb and gutter's
[52:37] right next to the street, and uh we have
[52:40] to chase it on their actual driveway a
[52:42] little bit. So, those are a couple
[52:44] David, are there any other examples?
[52:47] Okay. Yeah, in in this case, the reason
[52:49] why we're going to be doing the
[52:50] driveways, um in some cases it's about 3
[52:52] 4 ft driveway that we're going to be
[52:54] redoing. In some cases there was a 15 ft
[52:56] of the driveway that we're doing. Reason
[52:58] behind because we got to make sure we
[53:00] are meeting our slopes.
[53:02] So, the slope requirements that we have,
[53:05] if the existing driveways are not
[53:06] meeting or if our project is making it
[53:09] worse, then we got to cut farther more
[53:11] than
[53:12] Because of the sidewalk, yeah, not
[53:14] because of their yeah. Because of the
[53:15] sidewalk. Okay.
[53:17] Um
[53:18] Yeah, I mean those people those
[53:19] residents they're excited. They're going
[53:21] to get some part of their driveways
[53:22] going to be brand new and um I'm all up
[53:24] for it. I mean if it's part of our
[53:26] project, we have to do it. We can't make
[53:28] their situation worse than what it is.
[53:31] Uh those are some of the projects. We
[53:32] have a whole lot other projects as a
[53:34] city that we're doing. Um
[53:37] Some of them are currently uh speaking,
[53:40] they are
[53:42] out to bid. We haven't had a contractor
[53:43] hired. A couple of them we had We do
[53:46] have contractors hired, but we don't
[53:47] have an exact date to get them started.
[53:49] So, as we know more information and
[53:51] details on those
[53:53] uh most likely in the next month or two,
[53:55] we'll be able to give you uh information
[53:57] on the other ones.
[54:00] That's it.
[54:04] You can explain it.
[54:05] Okay. We're going to look at the
[54:06] presentation. Presentation, sure. Or you
[54:08] can show the video the other
[54:10] I'm going to have you put the video
[54:12] together first.
[54:13] We have three little videos today.
[54:15] >> I thought this was going to be released
[54:17] tomorrow, but evidently that busted my
[54:19] bubble when she said she's already seen
[54:21] it. Um I guess it was released today or
[54:24] yesterday? Yesterday night. Yesterday.
[54:32] Ready to play? Yeah, go for it.
[55:08] Quick and short.
[55:09] >> Okay. So, can you compose the music? I
[55:11] did. That was uh yeah, I had made Yeah,
[55:14] thank you.
[55:15] Is that commercially available? Uh it
[55:16] is, yeah.
[55:22] And I just got a couple of
[55:23] uh
[55:25] non-music. I I didn't have time to write
[55:26] three songs, you know.
[55:28] You can go to the next slide.
[55:31] So, this is just going to be a time
[55:32] lapse of the last month of work. So,
[55:34] kind of where when we met last in Q Max,
[55:36] we hadn't had the girders set. So, this
[55:37] is like just right before it. So, you
[55:39] can go ahead and
[55:41] do that.
[55:45] Uh since then they've been framing uh
[55:47] the deck. You can see there that works.
[55:50] Uh
[55:51] the waterline starting up in the top not
[55:53] the top left corner there. So, we've
[55:55] installed waterline, getting the deck
[55:57] framed and re-barred.
[56:01] And the waterline like existing water
[56:02] that was flowing under the bridge
[56:03] before? Well, it's going it would go
[56:05] through the bridge the new bridge. So,
[56:07] we were relocating essentially.
[56:10] And then we've got those finished the
[56:11] bottom floor of the trail. It's not the
[56:13] finished floor, but the that's the
[56:15] foundation floor of the trail in.
[56:18] And then another moment wall poured the
[56:19] weed walls there.
[56:21] So, yeah, we're making progress.
[56:24] Still on schedule to open for the 4th?
[56:25] >> Mhm.
[56:27] Good.
[56:28] You know, the next 5 days.
[56:31] And this is the whole project since
[56:32] November.
[56:42] Water line on the other side.
[56:44] Basically.
[56:49] That's Christmas break. So, here you go.
[56:53] This one right here.
[56:56] So, we've come a long ways and
[57:00] I think a lot of the work been done so
[57:01] far has been underground and then and
[57:03] not very seen. So, next couple weeks
[57:06] we'll start seeing things going really
[57:08] quick with the deck being poured and
[57:10] trail being finished and what not. So,
[57:12] it'll go it'll pick up really quick the
[57:14] next couple months.
[57:15] Interesting Charles. When did you go
[57:16] down to get the water? Yeah.
[57:29] How much wider is the trail than it was?
[57:32] Um It is wider, right?
[57:34] >> It is. I think it's like 4 or 5 ft being
[57:37] wider.
[57:38] Got it. And then you're good.
[57:44] Okay.
[57:45] Project progressing, we're on time.
[57:46] We're on track to open up summer
[57:48] before the 4th is our goal. So, we're looking good right now. We got the
[57:52] water line finished. It should be turned
[57:54] on today.
[57:55] And
[57:56] we'll get storm drain and start grading
[57:58] the road. So, you'll see quite a bit of
[57:59] surface work around the bridge. Bridge
[58:01] has still got some time to go, but
[58:04] the utility and surface work around will start picking up here.
[58:20] Our last item, uh University Avenue
[58:23] Bridge replacement update. Um
[58:26] They were running
[58:28] um
[58:28] our
[58:31] Oh, what's it called?
[58:33] Um ramming through our
[58:39] a big pipe. Boring
[58:40] >> casing. They're boring the casing. We're
[58:42] push pushing through our casing and we
[58:45] hit something.
[58:46] Contractor hit something.
[58:48] And uh we think they hit the old mill
[58:52] race
[58:53] uh water uh
[58:56] way, but
[58:57] um we don't know for certain.
[59:00] That's going to result in the overall
[59:02] project about a 3-month delay. Wow.
[59:05] Um 7 weeks just to get the new casing.
[59:09] They're going to step up the old casing
[59:10] from like 56 to 72.
[59:14] And that casing was going to be a full
[59:16] inch thick.
[59:18] And 72 inches tall. So,
[59:21] they hope whatever was blocking their
[59:22] way, they'll be able to
[59:24] go through it.
[59:26] So, the other casing hit that
[59:29] and then got pushed up 7 in.
[59:32] is enough to cause problems with
[59:35] the railroad.
[59:37] Okay, so that's kind of
[59:40] the result of the delay. We got to get
[59:41] railroad approval
[59:43] uh to go to the bigger casing.
[59:46] Um and of course this is all UDOT and their contractors working away, but
[59:51] we're in
[59:52] uh weekly meetings with them going over
[59:54] this type of stuff.
[59:55] So,
[59:57] it might be as much as a 3-month delay,
[59:59] but again, we've had some good weather.
[1:00:02] Uh
[1:00:03] we're
[1:00:04] um
[1:00:06] open they can make some of that up.
[1:00:09] That's kind of where we're at on that.
[1:00:18] Yeah, well Is Is not Is there water
[1:00:20] going through it or anything or I don't
[1:00:22] know people know that for certain. You
[1:00:25] don't know? Yeah, there's got to be
[1:00:26] water going through it, but we don't
[1:00:28] know how much water is through it. Yeah,
[1:00:30] there's personally no way that they're
[1:00:31] used and some are
[1:00:33] We've captured it at some places and
[1:00:35] others it's still
[1:00:37] Um there's probably water that flows
[1:00:38] from groundwater. A lot of it's dirt
[1:00:40] bottom. Um
[1:00:42] so, it's kind of unknown. It's hard to
[1:00:44] know. There's not really There's no
[1:00:45] access points to it, so it's kind of an
[1:00:47] unknown until you open it up.
[1:00:52] What's interesting about this thing we
[1:00:54] think
[1:00:56] So, it's made of brick.
[1:00:59] And the bottom is brick and the two
[1:01:01] sides are brick and then
[1:01:03] supposedly it has an arch brick cover to
[1:01:07] it.
[1:01:08] Which is amazing.
[1:01:09] Um it
[1:01:11] If this thing was above ground, it would
[1:01:12] be historic. We couldn't even touch it.
[1:01:16] But because it's below ground and no one
[1:01:18] sees it,
[1:01:19] think we're okay to move forward. So,
[1:01:21] anyway, that's where we're at.
[1:01:24] It's It's It's just Yeah. It is what it
[1:01:27] is. We don't put water into it anymore,
[1:01:29] like David said. We think we've captured
[1:01:31] parts of the video. Okay. So, they have
[1:01:33] captured a lot of
[1:01:34] But it's more down this way, right? That
[1:01:36] we put water. Yeah.
[1:01:38] Okay.
[1:01:39] So.
[1:01:40] Kind of interesting.
[1:01:41] So.
[1:01:43] Out of those moments
[1:01:45] It is. I mean, it was just like
[1:01:46] Danielle's project 2 years ago when
[1:01:48] we're tearing out the first uh
[1:01:51] first west and a little bit of 6th
[1:01:52] South. About 6 ft down, there's the
[1:01:55] railroad tracks.
[1:01:58] Yeah.
[1:01:59] A rail ties, the whole bit. That was
[1:02:02] kind of funny.
[1:02:03] So. Yeah.
[1:02:05] No.
[1:02:07] Okay.
[1:02:07] I open discussion and close discussion.
[1:02:11] I think that's all I
[1:02:13] have to say. Thank you so much and we
[1:02:15] will adjourn.
[1:02:17] Thank you.
[1:02:18] And I dare you to say the same thing.