1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,840 We'll, um, do a roll call of the elected 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,200 officials. Gary Garrett Patrice Mackey 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,840 Craig Christiansen Rachel Whipple 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,720 Although this is a public meeting, only 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:12,920 the presenters and those invited by the 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,120 council may speak or ask questions, 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,520 unless otherwise invited by the chair. 8 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,160 Please wait to speak until called upon 9 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,960 by the council chair. When speaking, 10 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,120 please be sure to use a microphone so 11 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,520 the record is clear and those attending 12 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,040 virtually can hear you. Please also be 13 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:26,600 sure to limit side conversations as they 14 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,720 interfere with the audio recording. If 15 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,000 you need to have a side conversation, 16 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,320 please step out of the work meeting 17 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:32,200 room. 18 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,840 It is proposed that we approve the 19 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,200 following minutes: February 10th, 2026 20 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,160 council meeting, April 28th, 2026 work 21 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:41,840 meeting, and the April 28th, 2026 22 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,240 council meeting. Are there any 23 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,680 objections or requested changes? 24 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,960 All right, seeing no objection, I 25 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,000 declare the minutes approved by 26 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,680 unanimous consent. 27 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,120 We'll go to our first item of business 28 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,720 and it'll be a presentation regarding 29 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,280 the children's mental health services in 30 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,800 Utah County. It'll be presented by 31 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,360 Rebecca Dutson, who's the president and 32 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,150 CEO of the Children's Center in Utah. 33 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,550 Welcome. 34 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,160 Thank you very much, Chair Mackey, and 35 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,840 to all the members and staff who are 36 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,520 here today. We're really proud to have 37 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,680 an opportunity to present to you and 38 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,120 share a little bit of the work of the 39 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,120 Children's Center Utah and how we hope 40 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,480 to be impacting, um, for better, uh, the 41 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,760 mental health of children and families 42 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,800 in Utah County. We're very excited to be 43 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,680 coming and and to be here at your 44 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,720 council meeting today. So, um, 45 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,720 as the chair said, I'm Rebecca Dutson. 46 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,080 I'm our president and CEO. 47 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,560 And I wanted to introduce a colleague 48 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,840 who is with me here today, um, Stephanie 49 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,760 Warner, who is our government relations 50 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,880 manager. 51 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,040 Um, 52 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,720 I would like to begin by telling you 53 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,920 just a little bit about the work of the 54 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,240 Children's Center Utah. And then I would 55 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,120 like to talk about the challenges that 56 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,760 we face in Utah surrounding children's 57 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,080 mental health. And then 58 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,920 some of the work that the Children's 59 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Center Utah is doing in the form of 60 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,880 public-private partnership to help 61 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,600 address the state's needs. 62 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,959 So, to begin, the Children's Center Utah 63 00:02:17,959 --> 00:02:21,240 has been around for going on 63 years. 64 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,880 We were established in 1962 65 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,120 by a woman named Augie Plank. She is a 66 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,160 doctor of psychology. 67 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,840 And she really was ahead of her time 68 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,720 understanding that if we could work with 69 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,200 young children 70 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,880 together with their caregivers and their 71 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,280 families around their mental health and 72 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,560 behavioral health concerns, that we 73 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,840 really could change the trajectory of 74 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,920 their lives giving them the tools that 75 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:50,520 they need along with their families to 76 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,360 manage their big emotions. 77 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,000 And we have been working in uh the Salt 78 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,440 Lake County area for all of these years. 79 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,200 Now, I'll talk a little bit about our 80 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,320 expansion in just a moment, but first 81 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,080 just to give you a snapshot of the kind 82 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,840 of work that we do. 83 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,280 What we're very well known for is our 84 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,600 direct clinical services to children and 85 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,080 families. So, we are licensed outpatient 86 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,880 mental health center and a licensed day 87 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,680 treatment center for children ages birth 88 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,600 to six. 89 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,080 Our mission of course is to enhance the 90 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,920 emotional well-being of infants, 91 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:33,080 toddlers, preschoolers, and their 92 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,000 families using evidence-based and 93 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,560 trauma-informed 94 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,160 therapies that are dyadic in nature. So, 95 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,840 we're working together with children and 96 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,480 families. This gives you an idea of the 97 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,040 reach that we have in Salt Lake County 98 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,720 right now. So, we serve approximately 99 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,400 1,000 families per year. Um 100 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,800 the child being the client and then of 101 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,120 course their caregivers joining us. And 102 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,520 you can see, you know, with just a quick 103 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,280 glance at the screen, we have a full 104 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,640 complement of um services that we 105 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,840 provide from the original, you know, 106 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,680 initial mental health assessment that 107 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,520 children receive to further 108 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,120 psychological testing, maybe psychiatric 109 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,680 services, um but primarily the focus is 110 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,760 on that relationship and strengthening 111 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,720 the attachment between the child and 112 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,350 their caregivers. 113 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:34,080 In addition, we work a lot to help not 114 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,800 only um consult with but train and coach 115 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,840 early childhood providers of all 116 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,600 backgrounds. And that is a statewide 117 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,760 work that we have been doing for several 118 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,840 years now, including teleconsultation 119 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:51,120 and training. And we offer 100 free 120 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,560 hours of webinars and consultation to 121 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,560 early childhood providers of all 122 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,320 backgrounds. So, it could be a preschool 123 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,200 or a child care provider all the way 124 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,800 through to a licensed mental health 125 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,840 professional, um pediatricians, 126 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:08,320 whomever might be working with children. 127 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,880 Um that is run by a member of our 128 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,720 psychology team and that is free. And we 129 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,800 have reached uh thousands of providers 130 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,040 throughout the state um since we have 131 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,240 been doing that. It's all virtual and 132 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,120 the idea is so that we can reach into 133 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,040 our very rural areas of the state and 134 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,280 give equal access to providers to help 135 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:30,680 them better understand early childhood 136 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,000 mental health. 137 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,919 Um we also offer a lot of consultation 138 00:05:36,919 --> 00:05:38,960 and coaching into child care and 139 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,320 preschools throughout the state as well 140 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,800 and we are contracted with the state of 141 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,040 Utah to do that. And so, I know that 142 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,000 we're working with child care providers, 143 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:56,190 for example, in your area already. 144 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:56,979 Um 145 00:05:56,979 --> 00:05:57,800 >> [clears throat] 146 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,960 >> These are a couple of specialized 147 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:02,480 programs that we have. And interestingly 148 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,040 enough, two of the teams on our infant 149 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,840 toddler court program are working right 150 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:11,000 here in 151 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,920 um Utah County. 152 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,720 Um both with I want to get the um Judge 153 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,520 Peterson and Judge Bezzant in the fourth 154 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,280 district. And this is, you know, working 155 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:23,880 with the families who are in the welfare 156 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,560 system, in court process. Maybe the 157 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,400 families um are still together with the 158 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,000 child in the home, but the child may be 159 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,880 out of home, for example, in a foster 160 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,320 placement. But this is putting the child 161 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,560 at the center and bringing all of the 162 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,880 services that are needed to support that 163 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,040 child and family. So, that's an example. 164 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,000 And then the trauma program for young 165 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,480 children is to help us reach children 166 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,919 and providers, again, in rural areas who 167 00:06:49,919 --> 00:06:52,560 may not have access to the type of 168 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,280 providers that we have in our more urban 169 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,480 areas. Uh both of these programs are 170 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,470 federally funded. 171 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,040 It's also important to have a strong um 172 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,520 policy 173 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,600 effort within the state when we think 174 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,760 about all the the things that impact 175 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,720 families and their ability to access 176 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,880 services. So, we're really focused on 177 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,760 capacity building 178 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,600 and working to address, for example, the 179 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,520 barriers that families might have if 180 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,520 they're on Medicaid and what codes are 181 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,200 available to help support those 182 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,480 families. So, there are things like that 183 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,240 and and efforts that help us 184 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,640 provide greater access to families to 185 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,919 receive services. Whereas public 186 00:07:38,919 --> 00:07:41,760 awareness is a big component of just 187 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,320 families understanding that mental 188 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,720 health 189 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,360 exists for all of us including children 190 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,640 who are our very youngest and that 191 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,280 services are available, that there's no 192 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,200 shame in asking for help and also that 193 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,440 adults understand this. Um that when we 194 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,160 see children who are really struggling, 195 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,840 um maybe not what we thought we would 196 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,360 see, that it's okay to reach out for 197 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,360 help and there's professional effective 198 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,720 help available. Now, what you're seeing 199 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,720 here is a picture of an annual 200 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,760 conference that we hold that attracts 201 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,480 several hundred providers from 202 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,640 throughout the state each year to 203 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,960 provide training including um not only 204 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,919 licensed mental health professionals and 205 00:08:27,919 --> 00:08:30,560 early childhood providers of all 206 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,640 backgrounds but pediatricians as well. 207 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,159 So they can earn CEUs and CMEs at this 208 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:38,919 conference and that will be coming up 209 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:43,240 again in November and we have great um 210 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,760 national presenters who are speaking on 211 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,800 children's behavioral and emotional 212 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,390 health. 213 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,080 I would just also note that 214 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,200 the Children's Center Utah has been 215 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,280 prominent in raising awareness and 216 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,839 providing data for the public to 217 00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:05,440 understand the mental health needs in 218 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,440 our state. So for example, in 2020 we 219 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,400 commissioned an independent study by the 220 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,000 Gardner Institute um which was released 221 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,560 and the first ever study of its kind for 222 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:19,240 Utah that helped us understand really 223 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,520 what children are facing with their 224 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,839 mental health. And so we'll talk a 225 00:09:23,839 --> 00:09:25,839 little bit about some of those 226 00:09:25,839 --> 00:09:28,680 statistics but we try to be everywhere 227 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:32,080 that we can be um days on the hill, uh 228 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,160 meeting with our legislators, meeting in 229 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,120 groups like this to help our elected 230 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,360 officials understand the important 231 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,400 services that we have available for 232 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,720 families. 233 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,960 Now, just a quick snapshot of our board, 234 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,560 um we do have representatives from Utah 235 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:50,200 County as we are working to expand 236 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,600 statewide. Um Senator Balderee joined 237 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,200 our board about a year ago. Um so we're 238 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,640 really thrilled to have the caliber of 239 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,920 people from our various communities who 240 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,040 are committed to helping families access 241 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,400 the important mental health treatment 242 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,600 that's available. 243 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,000 I'll just quickly talk about the need. 244 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,280 You're 245 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,960 probably very aware of these statistics, 246 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,920 but I want to highlight them because 247 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,520 it's so important to understand that in 248 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,360 our state 249 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,720 one in five, so as many as 20% of our 250 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,840 children ages birth to eight will 251 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,000 experience a mental, behavioral, 252 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,520 emotional, or developmental challenge at 253 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,640 some point during that time. With the 254 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,320 population that we have of children, 255 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,800 that's a lot of children who need help. 256 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,360 And that is part of our effort not only 257 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,200 to expand our services statewide in 258 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,440 terms of the direct clinical services 259 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,480 that we're currently providing in Utah 260 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,240 County, but also the efforts that we're 261 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,880 making to reach providers and train them 262 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,440 so that they can better interact with 263 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,200 kids and get them the level of care that 264 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,720 they need. 265 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,040 This is 266 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,440 something that is always alarming to me 267 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,360 no matter how many times I point this 268 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,160 out, but 269 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,640 our children in our state ages 3 to 17, 270 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:24,160 almost 60% of the children who have a 271 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,680 diagnosis 272 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:28,440 are not receiving treatment 273 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,360 in Utah. 274 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,600 Now, 275 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,600 uh it's you know, it's challenging to 276 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,040 talk about, but the real realities are 277 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,200 that suicide remains the leading cause 278 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,160 of death among children ages 10 to 17 in 279 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,280 Utah. 280 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,680 And I think that's unacceptable to all 281 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:51,800 of us. And so, we know that children 282 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,840 before they reach that age have had many 283 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,280 challenges with their mental health long 284 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,640 before they would make that decision. 285 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,080 And so, this is part of the work of the 286 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,000 Children's Center Utah and why we're 287 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,040 trying to do more across the state. Um 288 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,880 we're a state that cares about children, 289 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,200 we care about families, our work is 290 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,040 entirely focused on strengthening the 291 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,040 attachment between the child and their 292 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,120 family so that they have those 293 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,960 protective factors around them to help 294 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,600 them deal with life's challenges and 295 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,200 also experience life's joys to the 296 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,440 fullest. Now, often people will say, 297 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,680 "Why do we have so many children who are 298 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:38,760 not being treated?" I mean, one of the 299 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,960 challenges you may realize is that we 300 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,560 have fewer behavioral health providers 301 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:46,680 per 100,000 people than the average 302 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:50,080 across the rest of the nation, fully 1/3 303 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,760 fewer. 304 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,120 And we have a lot of children. So, just 305 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,400 a lot of things working together um 306 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,240 to to create the need that we do have in 307 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,960 our state. 308 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,160 So, we're very excited about the 309 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,040 public-private partnership that we have 310 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,240 built and continue to strengthen in 311 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,880 order to expand our services throughout 312 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,920 the state. And our first stop moving 313 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,080 outside of Utah County is or excuse me, 314 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,200 out of Salt Lake County is in Utah 315 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,280 County. 316 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:20,920 Um 317 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,360 and we have done that with support from 318 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,000 the legislature. 319 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,800 Um we've received investments to create 320 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,840 a new hub in Salt Lake from which we'll 321 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,080 expand. And every dollar that has been 322 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,400 invested by the state, we have matched 323 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,120 with private donations, either 324 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,440 one-to-one, and in the case of 325 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,200 the Utah County location, we've matched 326 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,160 those two-to-one. 327 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,800 So, I want to give you a glimpse 328 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,080 into the type of center that families 329 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,400 enter and the feeling that is there from 330 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:02,680 a team who are experts in their field. 331 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:06,000 We train people from all across the US 332 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,520 and even outside of the US who come to 333 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,520 learn about infant early childhood 334 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,040 mental health. 335 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,200 And they welcome they're welcomed by our 336 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,960 team into a bright, warm space. 337 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,200 We meet that family where they are and 338 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,800 that child. 339 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,280 Um, we assess them and we provide the 340 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,920 therapeutic treatment that's 341 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,960 evidence-based and trauma-informed that 342 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,240 best meets the challenge that child 343 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,440 might be having. And people often say, 344 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,360 "What are those challenges?" 345 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,640 And 346 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,880 as people stop and reflect, we probably 347 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,080 have experienced it in our own families 348 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,400 or we know families who have. 349 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,560 But is that child withdrawing much more 350 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,560 and staying away 351 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,680 more than typical? Are they having 352 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,960 tantrums that are much more frequent and 353 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,480 lasting longer than are typical? Are 354 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,480 they regressing in their skills? Is 355 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,760 their sleep becoming messed up? Is their 356 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,720 toileting, um, you know, falling apart? 357 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,400 These types of things. Sure. Rebecca, I 358 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,600 just wanted to give you heads-up. We 359 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:13,760 have like a 2 more minutes. 360 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,280 >> Okay. And then I want to be able to take 361 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,080 a few questions. 362 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,160 >> Yes, so please Okay, great. Very good. 363 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,000 Um, so this just gives you an idea of 364 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,000 what we're hoping to do and I would like 365 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,360 to extend a personal invitation for each 366 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,200 of you to join us at our ribbon cutting, 367 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,040 which will be October 1. This is our 368 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,280 Lehi Center, which will be located on 369 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,320 the Intermountain Primary Children's 370 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,520 Hospital, Larry H. and Gail Miller 371 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,280 Family Campus in Lehi. We'll be 372 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,000 providing the outpatient family therapy, 373 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,880 and also the day treatment, the 374 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,840 therapeutic preschool for children who 375 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,160 need more intensive services. So, 376 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:52,600 perfect timing, 377 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,160 and happy to ask answer any questions. 378 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,680 >> I do have a question, and this it is on 379 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,240 a sliding scale, correct? So, families 380 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,120 of all Yes, we accept private pay, and 381 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,000 also Medicaid. 382 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,640 Um everything is on a sliding fee scale. 383 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,360 If we are the right place to treat a 384 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,360 child and their family, we do not turn 385 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,400 them away. Okay. Um we do raise funds 386 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,760 privately from the philanthropic sector 387 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,000 to help us meet the needs that cost more 388 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,240 to do the world-class treatment that our 389 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,200 team provides, um than we are 390 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,870 reimbursed. 391 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,280 All right. Any other questions? 392 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:34,800 It's tremendous. 393 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,640 Very exciting. Um 394 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,800 do you often have children aging out, 395 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,120 and then do you refer them to other 396 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:41,600 services? 397 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,080 >> other partners. Yeah. Very important 398 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,360 question. In fact, one of the reasons 399 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,000 that we're locating, um right next door 400 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,400 to Primary Children's Hospital, um in 401 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,480 Lehi, you probably recognize they have a 402 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,839 strong focus on behavioral health. We 403 00:16:55,839 --> 00:16:57,680 have the front end of that pipeline. So, 404 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,480 we've got strong partnerships not only 405 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,640 with Intermountain, with Huntsman Mental 406 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,560 Health, with Valley Behavioral, with 407 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,160 Wasatch here in Utah County, and the 408 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,560 referral stream back and forth. So, yes, 409 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,199 um it may be that children have not 410 00:17:12,199 --> 00:17:13,680 received and their family all the 411 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,160 treatment that they need by the time 412 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,240 that they leave our services. 413 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,360 And do you do any court-ordered therapy 414 00:17:20,360 --> 00:17:23,520 or court-involved therapy programs? Um 415 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,880 the some of that is happening through 416 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,360 the infant toddler court program. So, 417 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:30,400 there is some of that and of course we 418 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,360 do see families who potentially a child 419 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,800 has been in an abusive situation and the 420 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,040 family may be coming into therapy. We 421 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,920 have many children who are in foster 422 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,120 care. So, it kind of runs the the gamut 423 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:47,360 for the reasons that families come. I 424 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:49,240 would also just want to, you know, 425 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,600 mention that we all know that mental 426 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,400 health doesn't know socioeconomic 427 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,760 boundaries. Though many mental health 428 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,760 situations are exacerbated by social 429 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,280 determinants of health and and barriers 430 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,000 that face families. So, this this work, 431 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,160 this early intervention, 432 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,280 is so important. It helps address the 433 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,960 complicated 434 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,920 uh histories that families have. It 435 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,200 works both with parents and the child 436 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,560 breaking those cycles that help us get 437 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,040 out of intergenerational poverty and 438 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,920 intergenerational trauma. 439 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,640 Gary Garrett. 440 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,120 First, thank you Rebecca for the 441 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:35,440 tremendous service you provide for our Valley now. And uh Malia, please 442 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,200 help us get this when we get more 443 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,200 details on our calendar. 444 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,240 Um ref- referring to some of the court 445 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,040 uh services you provide, it made me 446 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,840 think of other organizations, 447 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,440 children-focused organizations in Provo 448 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,440 like the Children's Justice Center. I 449 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,840 assume it's not duplicating services so 450 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,640 much as collaborating with these 451 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,360 existing organizations. 452 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:00,480 >> and we have spoken with their director. 453 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,520 We're trying to reach and connect with 454 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,400 all. I think that they're actually 455 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,640 coming up for a tour of our facility in 456 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,480 West Valley so that they'll have a 457 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,200 better understanding of the services 458 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,080 that we'll be bringing. So, there is a 459 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,840 lot of effort to coordinate because 460 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,920 there is just not enough of service 461 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,320 providers to go around. 462 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,920 >> Sure. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. 463 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,480 Rebecca, yeah, we Provo is the seat of 464 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,440 the county and we do hold so many 465 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,560 wonderful nonprofits that do great 466 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,320 services here. 467 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,600 But it's nice to see another one that's 468 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,800 not naturally in Provo, but can be a 469 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,480 resource for Provo citizens as well. 470 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,560 Yes. Just want to get that your name out 471 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,640 there so that people know that it's a 472 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:39,960 resource that they can use. And we'll 473 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,600 put your stuff on our neighborhood in 474 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,000 our neighborhood meetings that people 475 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,600 can pick up the flyer if they want. 476 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,760 >> Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you so 477 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,640 much for your time. 478 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,760 You know how to find us. 479 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,400 We look forward to seeing you in October 480 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,760 and we're even happy to schedule 481 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,000 specific site visit that's just for your 482 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,680 group if you'd like on either the first 483 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,760 or second after the ribbon cutting. So, 484 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:01,840 thank you so much. 485 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,320 >> Thanks, Rebecca. Thank you. 486 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,560 All right, next we have a resolution 487 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,720 approving the appropriation of 488 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,750 $57,765.50 489 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,200 in the general fund for a contractual 490 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,080 sales tax increment post performance 491 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,800 payment to East Bay Shopping Center. 492 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,280 This is presented by Cody Hill, our 493 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,360 economic development division director. 494 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:22,200 Cody. 495 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:28,070 Thank you. 496 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,360 All right, did you get my PowerPoint 497 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:30,840 that I sent 498 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,280 within an hour or so or an hour and a 499 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,360 half ago? There's some people 500 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:38,240 that wanted to and I had to all four. 501 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,720 But yeah, Councilwoman Wright, thank you 502 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,480 so much for your time. 503 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,040 We are we have basically four items that 504 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,000 are a little bit cookie cutter. So, we 505 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:46,760 have basically 506 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,160 >> to read them all through right now? 507 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,520 Sure, if if A resolution approving the 508 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,360 appropriation of $83,851.50 509 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:55,760 to the general fund for a contractual 510 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,960 sales tax increment post payment to 511 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,360 Parkway Village. And we also have the 512 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:02,920 same appropriate another appropriation 513 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,470 of $31,003.33 514 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:07,960 for a contractual sales tax increment 515 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,320 post performance to the shop at 516 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,960 Riverwoods and then we have 517 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,560 an appropriation of $13,509.21 518 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,320 for contractual sales tax increment post 519 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,520 performance payment to Days Market and 520 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,160 Cody will go over all of them. Yeah, I 521 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,320 think that's probably a good way to do 522 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,400 it because they're all very very 523 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,320 similar. So, these four payments have 524 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,960 resolutions dating going back to 2016, 525 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,480 2018, 2018 and 2019. Perfect. Thank you 526 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,160 so much, Kevin. Appreciate you. Um so, 527 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,320 they 528 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,280 have been around for for a little while 529 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,840 and the 530 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,280 I got some feedback from from Kirsten 531 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,640 upstairs who've been, you know, watching 532 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,480 Provo Forward and and 533 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,400 getting some criticism, some comments 534 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,160 and concerns about sales tax increment. 535 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,080 So, I thought I'd just kind of talk 536 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,680 about that briefly since I've got 20 537 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,360 minutes for all four, 538 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:56,600 but I feel like it's just really just 539 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,960 one discussion with four parts to it. 540 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,120 But, just in speaking in general to 541 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,920 sales tax remittance payments, 542 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,480 I think there's two ways to look at it 543 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,440 or I guess two different 544 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,720 times that it will come to the city. 545 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,920 The first time is someone that's looking 546 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,720 to come here 547 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,720 and set up a business, set up a big box 548 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,160 store, something of that nature and 549 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,160 they're looking for an incentive to help 550 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,680 overcome costs or to improve the store's 551 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,800 facade or whatever the the reasons may 552 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:27,840 be. 553 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,680 And then the second is if we already 554 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,880 have a 555 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,600 an outlet here that is maybe going 556 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,480 downhill, that is a little bit 557 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,680 past its prime that is looking to make 558 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,080 improvements, make 559 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,520 you know, modifications, expand it, 560 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,440 whatever the reasons may be. And so, 561 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,080 those are kind of the the two categories 562 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,240 that we that we really see it in. 563 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,160 >> These aren't legal anymore, right? These 564 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,560 aren't what? Aren't these not allowed 565 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,360 anymore by the state? 566 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,680 They're not allowed by the state so 567 00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:59,840 they're We're not allowed to do new 568 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:00,040 ones. 569 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,680 >> Both conditions it would have to be from 570 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,200 a redevelopment agency that no longer 571 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,400 from city to the the end user, the 572 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,280 developer, the outlet, correct? 573 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,360 >> Thank you. And so there there needs to 574 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,400 be that redevelopment agency 575 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,600 um kind of mediating the if that's going 576 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,960 to happen. And so the um some of the 577 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,880 concerns were is is you know, is the 578 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,960 city being extorted? 579 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:21,640 Um 580 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,840 is is this just you know, businesses 581 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,680 just being greedy and and and what is 582 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,720 Provo doing having you know, having made 583 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,520 these obligations? And there there 584 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,160 really is a significant boost in the 585 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,760 amount of sales tax revenue that the 586 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,120 city has received from all of these. Um 587 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:40,280 in no ways is it is extortion because 588 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,600 you know, these were already here. We 589 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,320 weren't going to lose lose them. They 590 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,240 weren't going to up and you know, 591 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,560 Riverwoods wasn't going anywhere. Um 592 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,440 and so it it it wasn't extortion. It it 593 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,000 was just basically an opportunity that the city had to support them in in 594 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,160 their desires to expand, remodel, 595 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,520 improve the facade, improve the the 596 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,320 I guess the shopping center for 597 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,880 Riverwoods and for um kind of Parkway 598 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,560 Village as well. And so um 599 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:10,720 that's a little bit of background 600 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,080 context in in how I take these payments. 601 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,320 >> I think the biggest point is your 602 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,920 approved that a the development such 603 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,240 that we get more sales tax. It brings 604 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,920 more money. It's doing something to get 605 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,240 more money in the end. It's not just 606 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,880 making it prettier just to help them 607 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,440 out. Yeah. 608 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,760 And I also had uh question from from 609 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,680 Becky Paulden about well, it looks like 610 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,000 the caps are are 611 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,000 pretty big. Like the the total amount to 612 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,600 um the max reimbursement 100,000, 1.1 613 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,680 million, 1 million, and 1.5 million. And 614 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,000 it doesn't look like any of these 615 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,800 entities are on schedule to actually 616 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,080 achieve those cap amounts of what 617 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,320 they're able to receive. And I'm I 618 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,600 wasn't here in 2019, 2018. Um so I can't 619 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,840 speak to where they landed on those 620 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,480 caps. Um 621 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,040 it looked like it was about of 622 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,880 a list of qualified improvements that 623 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,680 the city was agreeing to reimburse them 624 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,120 for. And not necessarily we have done 625 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,240 this market study and we anticipate a 626 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,120 growth of this much revenue over this 627 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,600 period of time and if we're tracking 628 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,120 that growth then we will be in line to 629 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,440 reach this cap after 10 or I think 630 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,760 Riverwood's is 15 years. 631 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,000 It looks like it was just basically 632 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,040 tacked to the total amount of the 633 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,680 improvement which 634 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,040 for Provo from Provo City's perspective 635 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,600 not meeting the cap is 636 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,400 good and bad. It's it's it's good in the 637 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,800 sense that we're giving away less of our 638 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,240 tax dollars. 639 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,560 It's bad in the sense that just that 640 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,680 just means that they generated more 641 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,000 revenues that the city that the city has 642 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,320 enjoyed. So, 643 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,120 those are just kind of my setting the 644 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,480 table my thoughts on sales tax increment 645 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,240 from a high level and then also just 646 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,600 speaking to 647 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,160 the reimbursement amount as well. 648 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,280 So, the 649 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,200 payments as you said 650 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,880 are for Days Market 13,509, 651 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,560 Eastbay 57,766, 652 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,200 Parkway Village 83,852, 653 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,120 and for Riverwoods 31,003. 654 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,040 The only curious thing that I 655 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,360 didn't expect and I'm still looking into 656 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,800 is that payment to Eastbay. That was the 657 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,280 only one that really had a drop from 658 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,800 65,000 last year to 57 this year. And so 659 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,600 I've sent the list of businesses that I 660 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,480 captured the the sales tax revenues from 661 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,760 to the representatives at Eastbay and just said hey will you double check 662 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,120 my work, make sure that I'm capturing 663 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:33,920 everything. As well as there was a 664 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,400 couple of businesses, one had a negative 665 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,920 amount for their sales tax number which 666 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,800 could be they overpaid last year by a 667 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,920 lot and then the state would make that 668 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,960 adjustment. 669 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,160 And then there was another one that just 670 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,720 looked very low. And so 671 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,320 Daniel Follett over in finance is 672 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,200 helping me get to the bottom of of that 673 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,800 one, but the other three looked really 674 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,600 in line as well. 675 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,640 Is Parkway Village where the 676 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,680 neighborhood Walmart is? 677 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,720 >> Yes. Well, they're killing it. 678 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,120 >> Walmart and then 679 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:04,720 um, 680 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,240 the 681 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,680 >> They're killing it. Yeah, the outpad 682 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,680 retail that they have there. 683 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,280 >> I mean they're by far making a lot more 684 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,440 money than Sandy Springs. 685 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,240 They're making more. Yeah, that's but 686 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,040 that's huge. 687 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,680 >> Right, they that is everything that 688 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,160 >> It's only half of the increment. Yes. 689 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,520 Yeah. So, I mean that there's a big 690 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,680 difference there between 691 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,070 Yeah. 692 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,040 Cuz East Bay's big. 693 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,960 But even so, you look at Day's Market. 694 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,000 Well, yeah, there's more. 695 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,680 >> in the increment cuz I mean that's just 696 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,720 a small store. But East Bay does not 697 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,880 include Sears, but keep that in mind. 698 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,200 Right, it's only a certain Mhm. 699 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,840 number of the properties there. It's not 700 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,800 the entire 701 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,840 east of University. 702 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,800 And Parkway Village is just the strip 703 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,240 mall, it's not the 704 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,520 uh, it's not the outskirt buildings, 705 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,640 right? Or is it the whole thing? It's the Walmart, it is the attached and 706 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,960 then I think there's two detached 707 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,880 outpads. That's what it includes. 708 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,720 There's others. 709 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,880 >> it the Wingstop and the postal place? 710 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,040 >> Yeah, and then there's like the 711 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,600 And then the Twisted Sugar and the 712 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,000 Bahama Bucks. 713 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,680 >> Yeah, exactly. Twisted Sugar and then 714 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,680 the Who just went out of business. 715 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,960 >> Bahama Bucks, that's what it was. That's 716 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,560 what I was thinking before. Yeah. 717 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,000 First Watch, the new one that just 718 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,200 opened. Yeah, that one is That one is 719 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,040 there as well. Yeah. So, But Day's 720 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,800 Market is just the store, not the full 721 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,480 strip. Correct. 722 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,480 Yeah, and so 723 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,640 we would 724 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,520 definitely 725 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,400 anticipate seeing a boost in in Parkway 726 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,160 Village now that the 727 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,520 There's a Pizza by Cafe, but that space 728 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,320 is filled with First Watch. But oh, so 729 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,360 you think that building's included in 730 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,000 this position? Oh, okay. I'll be seeing 731 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,560 it. Yeah, there's offices there are 732 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,960 behind it and other space behind it. 733 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,360 Those are not included, but the Walmart, 734 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,080 the attached outpad, and then the 735 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,640 detached out pad as well. But not the 736 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,240 7-Eleven. No. 737 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,240 Cody, what does base amount mean? Does 738 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,240 Is that the first year payment or So, 739 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,600 that's when they came what the taxes 740 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000 were before? Yeah, presumably that that 741 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,400 So, that is when they come to us and 742 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,200 they say, "Hey, we want 743 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,800 sales tax increment and in 744 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,840 I see. You know, increment is basically 745 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:10,400 above 746 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,080 >> in excess of a certain base amount. 747 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,200 >> Exactly. So, when they came to us back 748 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,480 in, you know, 2019 for Day's Market, 749 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,960 they said, "Right now we're we're 750 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,480 bringing in 751 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,040 consistent level of this amount. This 752 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,720 will be our base year. Everything over 753 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400 that, half of it will go to 754 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,000 And that's just the 1% we collect, 755 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,400 right? 756 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,720 The point of sale, the Yeah, the half 757 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,560 percent. 758 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,200 So, their increase is actually that much 759 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,840 then if you're looking I wasn't really 760 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,600 realize that with that base. 761 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,720 Yeah. 762 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,560 Well, their increase I mean, if that is 763 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,960 the base amount over there at Parkway 764 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,440 Village is 136,000 765 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,440 and now they're bringing in 83, which is 766 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,680 half of the increment. Then again, you 767 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,240 have to adjust that for inflation. 768 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,080 >> Look how much the lower the Riverwood's 769 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,830 is than their base amount. 770 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,880 Well, at Riverwood's 771 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,280 I mean, they wanted what? 772 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,680 A lot more and they're not even going to 773 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,200 be on track to do that. So, it doesn't 774 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,840 look like Riverwood's is as performing 775 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,400 as well as they had hoped 776 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,600 Yeah. But I was looking at this. a jump. 777 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,280 We definitely saw a jump from, you know, 778 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,360 20 24 2025 payment of the 9,000. But 779 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,600 you're saying when they did this, they 780 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,960 were making 118. Their base amount was 781 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,960 118 as opposed These numbers would say 782 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,910 their base is like 60. 783 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,880 Yes. 784 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,520 Well, wait. But they're Are they making 785 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,840 118 plus the 20,000? 786 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,560 >> plus the base. Yeah, it's above the 787 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,000 base. plus 4. Yeah, that Okay, that's 788 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,360 making sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's 118 789 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,200 plus 40, right? Because it's think 50%. 790 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,160 >> Exactly. Yeah. 791 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,440 >> So, yes. Parkway is killing it. Okay, I 792 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,520 feel my job. Well, and it or it would be 793 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,760 60 for this year's payment, right, Gary, 794 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,480 instead of 40. 795 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,760 >> Yeah. 796 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,760 For the 2025, yeah. So, I but I love 797 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,320 this format. 798 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,670 No. 799 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,480 But he's he told me that he did the 800 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,640 figures for East Bay, and when you 801 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,320 adjust East Bay for inflation, that's a 802 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,200 40% increase. 803 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,000 Yes. Yeah, that's pretty good. I didn't 804 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,040 ask him to do it. 68% increase from the 805 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,920 first payment to today, and then 806 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,520 adjusting for inflation, that's 67. 807 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,800 So, a 40% increase on East Bay is pretty 808 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,920 good, in my opinion. I just had an 809 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,120 airhead moment. But I love this, Cody, 810 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,920 and I would love to see this continued 811 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,560 forward to have us 812 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,960 just allow us to have the same kind of 813 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,720 format every single time you do a 814 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,440 disbursement. All at once, kind of easy 815 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,600 to compare, to bench test. We never did 816 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,360 get this before, and so 817 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,200 this is just so helpful to me 818 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,080 to be able to see that, and to know that. But even if you want to 819 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,520 throw in, and 820 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,880 this is what it's increased from 821 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,840 inflation, I wouldn't even be upset 822 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,480 about that. 823 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,600 >> add that as well, for the 824 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,400 City Council meeting. 825 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,622 Just put it out there. 826 00:31:52,622 --> 00:31:53,400 >> [laughter] 827 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,960 >> Well, it'd be cool to see how much 828 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,320 they're actually bringing in more than 829 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,160 they did before. Yeah. 830 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,200 Cody, if you go back to 2016, 18, and 831 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,280 19, how did these um 832 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,600 groups become Did the economic 833 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,520 development approach them and say, "If 834 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,720 you'll do a facade upgrade, we'll enter 835 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,760 into this agreement?" Or did they just 836 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,080 learn about this pool and inquire about 837 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,160 it? Or maybe you don't have that 838 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,600 history. I don't have that information. 839 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,280 It could have been actively 840 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,760 economic development approaching them. 841 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,800 More likely, it's it's they were 842 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,800 contemplating you know, improvements and 843 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,640 looking for support from my years of watching Council 844 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,760 meetings, 845 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,840 they tried to find a different owner for 846 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,200 East Bay, cuz East Bay just was not 847 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,120 doing well. And so, that is 848 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,040 what drew them in. 849 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,240 Days Market needed that to help them 850 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,400 remodel. 851 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,320 It was just something and I listened to 852 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,720 George Stewart say, you know, these guys 853 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,200 have been such a staple to our community 854 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,680 for so long. We really do need to give 855 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,960 back. 856 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,880 Parkway Village was for that light 857 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,920 to go back and forth to the old Shopko 858 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,080 complex 859 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,280 that's there on University Parkway and 860 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,840 Riverwood's just needed 861 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,160 some love. Yeah. Okay. 862 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,560 I think it was more Riverwood's kind of 863 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,440 approaching once they saw all this stuff 864 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,390 going on. 865 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:13,842 Okay. 866 00:33:13,842 --> 00:33:13,880 >> [clears throat] 867 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,600 >> Any other questions or comments or 868 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,280 concerns? I have the 869 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,680 other staff reports kind of if there's 870 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,520 high-level details we want it 871 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,760 I think this is the main takeaway. 872 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,200 Cody, so why is this no longer legal at 873 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,960 the state level? 874 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,480 Different 875 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,000 tools have replaced it or 876 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,480 No, I think I if I'm going to get into 877 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,400 the legislator's heads 878 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,400 then 879 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,240 it's it's 880 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,360 I think it's it's cities getting pitted 881 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,360 against each other by big big box 882 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,840 retail. So, you know, a Costco. We we 883 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,760 saw this in with Costco and, you know, 884 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,720 just south of us when they were saying, 885 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,000 "Hey Springville, what's your best 886 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,880 offer? Spanish, what's your best offer?" 887 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,080 Springville, Costco offered us this 888 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,720 much, can you go above and beyond? And so I think uh just a history of 889 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,240 >> Just to level the playing field a little 890 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:03,880 bit more. 891 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,840 >> Yeah, just to kind of get rid of that 892 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,679 you know, 893 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,440 we we need this, we want this, we're 894 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,560 going to go as deep in as as, you know, 895 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,440 as far as we can to get this and it 896 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,399 ended up really not being 897 00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:18,240 we're decreasing the the benefit that 898 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:22,240 the community is getting at the end if we really play that game and and it 899 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:25,480 gets competitive then then it's I think 900 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,600 it's not unwise for the state to to take 901 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,520 that off the table as a tool 902 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,600 for big box. 903 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,990 >> Okay. Interesting. Thank you. Mhm. 904 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,080 Hey, any other questions for 905 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,360 Cody? 906 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,639 All right, thanks Cody. Thank you. 907 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,639 All right. Well, you just 908 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:47,480 took us to the end here. We just killed 909 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,200 it. 910 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,399 All right, we are going to have a closed 911 00:34:49,399 --> 00:34:50,560 session. So, the city council will 912 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,240 consider a motion to close meeting. 913 00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:54,679 Gary, if you want to 914 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,440 Yes, thank you. I understand the topic 915 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,520 for discussion is a strategy strategy 916 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,080 session for the sale of real property. 917 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,640 That is a permissible reason under the 918 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,440 statutes. 919 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,360 Okay. 920 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,880 So, 921 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,399 we will take a motion for a closed 922 00:35:12,399 --> 00:35:13,600 [clears throat] session. I move to meet 923 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,840 to go into closed session. 924 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,880 Second. All right, we have a first and 925 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,160 second. Any discussion on the closed 926 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,440 session? 927 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,080 We'll do a vote. Counselor Bobbin? Yes. 928 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,760 Counselor Wetzel? Yes. Counselor 929 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,200 Christiansen? 930 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,000 >> Yes. Counselor McKay? Yes. Counselor 931 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,400 Garrett? 932 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,360 >> Yes. 933 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,360 And we will now recess municipal Provo 934 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,560 council work meeting and reconvene in 935 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,800 the pre-function room for closed 936 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,120 meeting.