[0:00] We'll, um, do a roll call of the elected
[0:02] officials. Gary Garrett Patrice Mackey
[0:06] Craig Christiansen Rachel Whipple
[0:09] Although this is a public meeting, only
[0:11] the presenters and those invited by the
[0:12] council may speak or ask questions,
[0:15] unless otherwise invited by the chair.
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[0:18] by the council chair. When speaking,
[0:19] please be sure to use a microphone so
[0:21] the record is clear and those attending
[0:22] virtually can hear you. Please also be
[0:25] sure to limit side conversations as they
[0:26] interfere with the audio recording. If
[0:28] you need to have a side conversation,
[0:30] please step out of the work meeting
[0:31] room.
[0:32] It is proposed that we approve the
[0:33] following minutes: February 10th, 2026
[0:36] council meeting, April 28th, 2026 work
[0:39] meeting, and the April 28th, 2026
[0:41] council meeting. Are there any
[0:43] objections or requested changes?
[0:46] All right, seeing no objection, I
[0:47] declare the minutes approved by
[0:49] unanimous consent.
[0:51] We'll go to our first item of business
[0:53] and it'll be a presentation regarding
[0:54] the children's mental health services in
[0:56] Utah County. It'll be presented by
[0:57] Rebecca Dutson, who's the president and
[0:59] CEO of the Children's Center in Utah.
[1:04] Welcome.
[1:08] Thank you very much, Chair Mackey, and
[1:11] to all the members and staff who are
[1:12] here today. We're really proud to have
[1:15] an opportunity to present to you and
[1:17] share a little bit of the work of the
[1:20] Children's Center Utah and how we hope
[1:22] to be impacting, um, for better, uh, the
[1:25] mental health of children and families
[1:27] in Utah County. We're very excited to be
[1:30] coming and and to be here at your
[1:32] council meeting today. So, um,
[1:35] as the chair said, I'm Rebecca Dutson.
[1:37] I'm our president and CEO.
[1:40] And I wanted to introduce a colleague
[1:42] who is with me here today, um, Stephanie
[1:44] Warner, who is our government relations
[1:47] manager.
[1:49] Um,
[1:51] I would like to begin by telling you
[1:52] just a little bit about the work of the
[1:54] Children's Center Utah. And then I would
[1:57] like to talk about the challenges that
[2:00] we face in Utah surrounding children's
[2:02] mental health. And then
[2:05] some of the work that the Children's
[2:06] Center Utah is doing in the form of
[2:09] public-private partnership to help
[2:11] address the state's needs.
[2:14] So, to begin, the Children's Center Utah
[2:17] has been around for going on 63 years.
[2:21] We were established in 1962
[2:23] by a woman named Augie Plank. She is a
[2:28] doctor of psychology.
[2:30] And she really was ahead of her time
[2:32] understanding that if we could work with
[2:34] young children
[2:36] together with their caregivers and their
[2:37] families around their mental health and
[2:41] behavioral health concerns, that we
[2:43] really could change the trajectory of
[2:45] their lives giving them the tools that
[2:47] they need along with their families to
[2:50] manage their big emotions.
[2:53] And we have been working in uh the Salt
[2:56] Lake County area for all of these years.
[2:59] Now, I'll talk a little bit about our
[3:01] expansion in just a moment, but first
[3:03] just to give you a snapshot of the kind
[3:05] of work that we do.
[3:07] What we're very well known for is our
[3:11] direct clinical services to children and
[3:14] families. So, we are licensed outpatient
[3:18] mental health center and a licensed day
[3:20] treatment center for children ages birth
[3:24] to six.
[3:26] Our mission of course is to enhance the
[3:29] emotional well-being of infants,
[3:30] toddlers, preschoolers, and their
[3:33] families using evidence-based and
[3:36] trauma-informed
[3:37] therapies that are dyadic in nature. So,
[3:41] we're working together with children and
[3:42] families. This gives you an idea of the
[3:45] reach that we have in Salt Lake County
[3:48] right now. So, we serve approximately
[3:50] 1,000 families per year. Um
[3:54] the child being the client and then of
[3:56] course their caregivers joining us. And
[3:59] you can see, you know, with just a quick
[4:01] glance at the screen, we have a full
[4:03] complement of um services that we
[4:06] provide from the original, you know,
[4:09] initial mental health assessment that
[4:11] children receive to further
[4:13] psychological testing, maybe psychiatric
[4:16] services, um but primarily the focus is
[4:19] on that relationship and strengthening
[4:22] the attachment between the child and
[4:24] their caregivers.
[4:29] In addition, we work a lot to help not
[4:34] only um consult with but train and coach
[4:37] early childhood providers of all
[4:39] backgrounds. And that is a statewide
[4:42] work that we have been doing for several
[4:44] years now, including teleconsultation
[4:47] and training. And we offer 100 free
[4:51] hours of webinars and consultation to
[4:54] early childhood providers of all
[4:56] backgrounds. So, it could be a preschool
[4:59] or a child care provider all the way
[5:01] through to a licensed mental health
[5:02] professional, um pediatricians,
[5:05] whomever might be working with children.
[5:08] Um that is run by a member of our
[5:10] psychology team and that is free. And we
[5:14] have reached uh thousands of providers
[5:16] throughout the state um since we have
[5:19] been doing that. It's all virtual and
[5:21] the idea is so that we can reach into
[5:23] our very rural areas of the state and
[5:26] give equal access to providers to help
[5:28] them better understand early childhood
[5:30] mental health.
[5:33] Um we also offer a lot of consultation
[5:36] and coaching into child care and
[5:38] preschools throughout the state as well
[5:41] and we are contracted with the state of
[5:43] Utah to do that. And so, I know that
[5:47] we're working with child care providers,
[5:49] for example, in your area already.
[5:56] Um
[5:56] >> [clears throat]
[5:57] >> These are a couple of specialized
[5:59] programs that we have. And interestingly
[6:02] enough, two of the teams on our infant
[6:06] toddler court program are working right
[6:08] here in
[6:11] um Utah County.
[6:12] Um both with I want to get the um Judge
[6:15] Peterson and Judge Bezzant in the fourth
[6:18] district. And this is, you know, working
[6:21] with the families who are in the welfare
[6:23] system, in court process. Maybe the
[6:26] families um are still together with the
[6:29] child in the home, but the child may be
[6:31] out of home, for example, in a foster
[6:32] placement. But this is putting the child
[6:35] at the center and bringing all of the
[6:37] services that are needed to support that
[6:39] child and family. So, that's an example.
[6:43] And then the trauma program for young
[6:45] children is to help us reach children
[6:47] and providers, again, in rural areas who
[6:49] may not have access to the type of
[6:52] providers that we have in our more urban
[6:55] areas. Uh both of these programs are
[6:57] federally funded.
[7:02] It's also important to have a strong um
[7:07] policy
[7:08] effort within the state when we think
[7:10] about all the the things that impact
[7:12] families and their ability to access
[7:14] services. So, we're really focused on
[7:16] capacity building
[7:18] and working to address, for example, the
[7:22] barriers that families might have if
[7:24] they're on Medicaid and what codes are
[7:27] available to help support those
[7:29] families. So, there are things like that
[7:31] and and efforts that help us
[7:34] provide greater access to families to
[7:36] receive services. Whereas public
[7:38] awareness is a big component of just
[7:41] families understanding that mental
[7:44] health
[7:45] exists for all of us including children
[7:49] who are our very youngest and that
[7:51] services are available, that there's no
[7:54] shame in asking for help and also that
[7:57] adults understand this. Um that when we
[8:00] see children who are really struggling,
[8:03] um maybe not what we thought we would
[8:04] see, that it's okay to reach out for
[8:07] help and there's professional effective
[8:10] help available. Now, what you're seeing
[8:12] here is a picture of an annual
[8:14] conference that we hold that attracts
[8:17] several hundred providers from
[8:20] throughout the state each year to
[8:22] provide training including um not only
[8:25] licensed mental health professionals and
[8:27] early childhood providers of all
[8:30] backgrounds but pediatricians as well.
[8:33] So they can earn CEUs and CMEs at this
[8:36] conference and that will be coming up
[8:38] again in November and we have great um
[8:43] national presenters who are speaking on
[8:46] children's behavioral and emotional
[8:48] health.
[8:51] I would just also note that
[8:55] the Children's Center Utah has been
[8:58] prominent in raising awareness and
[9:01] providing data for the public to
[9:03] understand the mental health needs in
[9:05] our state. So for example, in 2020 we
[9:08] commissioned an independent study by the
[9:10] Gardner Institute um which was released
[9:14] and the first ever study of its kind for
[9:16] Utah that helped us understand really
[9:19] what children are facing with their
[9:21] mental health. And so we'll talk a
[9:23] little bit about some of those
[9:25] statistics but we try to be everywhere
[9:28] that we can be um days on the hill, uh
[9:32] meeting with our legislators, meeting in
[9:34] groups like this to help our elected
[9:36] officials understand the important
[9:38] services that we have available for
[9:40] families.
[9:41] Now, just a quick snapshot of our board,
[9:44] um we do have representatives from Utah
[9:47] County as we are working to expand
[9:50] statewide. Um Senator Balderee joined
[9:53] our board about a year ago. Um so we're
[9:57] really thrilled to have the caliber of
[9:59] people from our various communities who
[10:02] are committed to helping families access
[10:07] the important mental health treatment
[10:08] that's available.
[10:10] I'll just quickly talk about the need.
[10:13] You're
[10:14] probably very aware of these statistics,
[10:16] but I want to highlight them because
[10:19] it's so important to understand that in
[10:22] our state
[10:24] one in five, so as many as 20% of our
[10:27] children ages birth to eight will
[10:29] experience a mental, behavioral,
[10:33] emotional, or developmental challenge at
[10:35] some point during that time. With the
[10:38] population that we have of children,
[10:41] that's a lot of children who need help.
[10:44] And that is part of our effort not only
[10:47] to expand our services statewide in
[10:50] terms of the direct clinical services
[10:52] that we're currently providing in Utah
[10:54] County, but also the efforts that we're
[10:56] making to reach providers and train them
[10:59] so that they can better interact with
[11:02] kids and get them the level of care that
[11:05] they need.
[11:07] This is
[11:09] something that is always alarming to me
[11:11] no matter how many times I point this
[11:13] out, but
[11:15] our children in our state ages 3 to 17,
[11:19] almost 60% of the children who have a
[11:24] diagnosis
[11:25] are not receiving treatment
[11:28] in Utah.
[11:30] Now,
[11:31] uh it's you know, it's challenging to
[11:34] talk about, but the real realities are
[11:38] that suicide remains the leading cause
[11:41] of death among children ages 10 to 17 in
[11:44] Utah.
[11:46] And I think that's unacceptable to all
[11:48] of us. And so, we know that children
[11:51] before they reach that age have had many
[11:54] challenges with their mental health long
[11:58] before they would make that decision.
[12:01] And so, this is part of the work of the
[12:05] Children's Center Utah and why we're
[12:07] trying to do more across the state. Um
[12:11] we're a state that cares about children,
[12:12] we care about families, our work is
[12:15] entirely focused on strengthening the
[12:18] attachment between the child and their
[12:20] family so that they have those
[12:22] protective factors around them to help
[12:23] them deal with life's challenges and
[12:26] also experience life's joys to the
[12:29] fullest. Now, often people will say,
[12:33] "Why do we have so many children who are
[12:35] not being treated?" I mean, one of the
[12:38] challenges you may realize is that we
[12:40] have fewer behavioral health providers
[12:43] per 100,000 people than the average
[12:46] across the rest of the nation, fully 1/3
[12:50] fewer.
[12:51] And we have a lot of children. So, just
[12:54] a lot of things working together um
[12:57] to to create the need that we do have in
[13:00] our state.
[13:01] So, we're very excited about the
[13:04] public-private partnership that we have
[13:07] built and continue to strengthen in
[13:09] order to expand our services throughout
[13:11] the state. And our first stop moving
[13:13] outside of Utah County is or excuse me,
[13:17] out of Salt Lake County is in Utah
[13:19] County.
[13:20] Um
[13:20] and we have done that with support from
[13:23] the legislature.
[13:25] Um we've received investments to create
[13:27] a new hub in Salt Lake from which we'll
[13:30] expand. And every dollar that has been
[13:35] invested by the state, we have matched
[13:37] with private donations, either
[13:39] one-to-one, and in the case of
[13:42] the Utah County location, we've matched
[13:45] those two-to-one.
[13:47] So, I want to give you a glimpse
[13:50] into the type of center that families
[13:54] enter and the feeling that is there from
[13:57] a team who are experts in their field.
[14:02] We train people from all across the US
[14:06] and even outside of the US who come to
[14:08] learn about infant early childhood
[14:10] mental health.
[14:12] And they welcome they're welcomed by our
[14:15] team into a bright, warm space.
[14:19] We meet that family where they are and
[14:22] that child.
[14:23] Um, we assess them and we provide the
[14:27] therapeutic treatment that's
[14:28] evidence-based and trauma-informed that
[14:30] best meets the challenge that child
[14:33] might be having. And people often say,
[14:36] "What are those challenges?"
[14:38] And
[14:40] as people stop and reflect, we probably
[14:43] have experienced it in our own families
[14:46] or we know families who have.
[14:48] But is that child withdrawing much more
[14:51] and staying away
[14:53] more than typical? Are they having
[14:55] tantrums that are much more frequent and
[14:58] lasting longer than are typical? Are
[15:01] they regressing in their skills? Is
[15:03] their sleep becoming messed up? Is their
[15:05] toileting, um, you know, falling apart?
[15:08] These types of things. Sure. Rebecca, I
[15:11] just wanted to give you heads-up. We
[15:12] have like a 2 more minutes.
[15:13] >> Okay. And then I want to be able to take
[15:15] a few questions.
[15:16] >> Yes, so please Okay, great. Very good.
[15:18] Um, so this just gives you an idea of
[15:20] what we're hoping to do and I would like
[15:23] to extend a personal invitation for each
[15:25] of you to join us at our ribbon cutting,
[15:28] which will be October 1. This is our
[15:31] Lehi Center, which will be located on
[15:33] the Intermountain Primary Children's
[15:35] Hospital, Larry H. and Gail Miller
[15:37] Family Campus in Lehi. We'll be
[15:40] providing the outpatient family therapy,
[15:43] and also the day treatment, the
[15:44] therapeutic preschool for children who
[15:46] need more intensive services. So,
[15:51] perfect timing,
[15:52] and happy to ask answer any questions.
[15:55] >> I do have a question, and this it is on
[15:56] a sliding scale, correct? So, families
[15:59] of all Yes, we accept private pay, and
[16:03] also Medicaid.
[16:05] Um everything is on a sliding fee scale.
[16:07] If we are the right place to treat a
[16:10] child and their family, we do not turn
[16:12] them away. Okay. Um we do raise funds
[16:16] privately from the philanthropic sector
[16:18] to help us meet the needs that cost more
[16:22] to do the world-class treatment that our
[16:24] team provides, um than we are
[16:27] reimbursed.
[16:30] All right. Any other questions?
[16:33] It's tremendous.
[16:34] Very exciting. Um
[16:36] do you often have children aging out,
[16:38] and then do you refer them to other
[16:41] services?
[16:41] >> other partners. Yeah. Very important
[16:44] question. In fact, one of the reasons
[16:46] that we're locating, um right next door
[16:49] to Primary Children's Hospital, um in
[16:51] Lehi, you probably recognize they have a
[16:53] strong focus on behavioral health. We
[16:55] have the front end of that pipeline. So,
[16:57] we've got strong partnerships not only
[16:59] with Intermountain, with Huntsman Mental
[17:01] Health, with Valley Behavioral, with
[17:03] Wasatch here in Utah County, and the
[17:06] referral stream back and forth. So, yes,
[17:09] um it may be that children have not
[17:12] received and their family all the
[17:13] treatment that they need by the time
[17:15] that they leave our services.
[17:17] And do you do any court-ordered therapy
[17:20] or court-involved therapy programs? Um
[17:23] the some of that is happening through
[17:25] the infant toddler court program. So,
[17:28] there is some of that and of course we
[17:30] do see families who potentially a child
[17:33] has been in an abusive situation and the
[17:36] family may be coming into therapy. We
[17:39] have many children who are in foster
[17:40] care. So, it kind of runs the the gamut
[17:45] for the reasons that families come. I
[17:47] would also just want to, you know,
[17:49] mention that we all know that mental
[17:51] health doesn't know socioeconomic
[17:54] boundaries. Though many mental health
[17:57] situations are exacerbated by social
[18:00] determinants of health and and barriers
[18:03] that face families. So, this this work,
[18:07] this early intervention,
[18:09] is so important. It helps address the
[18:12] complicated
[18:13] uh histories that families have. It
[18:16] works both with parents and the child
[18:19] breaking those cycles that help us get
[18:21] out of intergenerational poverty and
[18:24] intergenerational trauma.
[18:26] Gary Garrett.
[18:28] First, thank you Rebecca for the
[18:30] tremendous service you provide for our Valley now. And uh Malia, please
[18:35] help us get this when we get more
[18:37] details on our calendar.
[18:39] Um ref- referring to some of the court
[18:42] uh services you provide, it made me
[18:44] think of other organizations,
[18:45] children-focused organizations in Provo
[18:48] like the Children's Justice Center. I
[18:50] assume it's not duplicating services so
[18:53] much as collaborating with these
[18:55] existing organizations.
[18:57] >> and we have spoken with their director.
[19:00] We're trying to reach and connect with
[19:02] all. I think that they're actually
[19:04] coming up for a tour of our facility in
[19:06] West Valley so that they'll have a
[19:08] better understanding of the services
[19:10] that we'll be bringing. So, there is a
[19:12] lot of effort to coordinate because
[19:14] there is just not enough of service
[19:17] providers to go around.
[19:19] >> Sure. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.
[19:20] Rebecca, yeah, we Provo is the seat of
[19:23] the county and we do hold so many
[19:25] wonderful nonprofits that do great
[19:27] services here.
[19:29] But it's nice to see another one that's
[19:30] not naturally in Provo, but can be a
[19:32] resource for Provo citizens as well.
[19:35] Yes. Just want to get that your name out
[19:37] there so that people know that it's a
[19:38] resource that they can use. And we'll
[19:39] put your stuff on our neighborhood in
[19:41] our neighborhood meetings that people
[19:43] can pick up the flyer if they want.
[19:44] >> Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you so
[19:46] much for your time.
[19:48] You know how to find us.
[19:50] We look forward to seeing you in October
[19:52] and we're even happy to schedule
[19:54] specific site visit that's just for your
[19:57] group if you'd like on either the first
[19:58] or second after the ribbon cutting. So,
[20:00] thank you so much.
[20:01] >> Thanks, Rebecca. Thank you.
[20:04] All right, next we have a resolution
[20:05] approving the appropriation of
[20:06] $57,765.50
[20:09] in the general fund for a contractual
[20:11] sales tax increment post performance
[20:13] payment to East Bay Shopping Center.
[20:15] This is presented by Cody Hill, our
[20:17] economic development division director.
[20:20] Cody.
[20:22] Thank you.
[20:28] All right, did you get my PowerPoint
[20:29] that I sent
[20:30] within an hour or so or an hour and a
[20:32] half ago? There's some people
[20:35] that wanted to and I had to all four.
[20:38] But yeah, Councilwoman Wright, thank you
[20:39] so much for your time.
[20:41] We are we have basically four items that
[20:44] are a little bit cookie cutter. So, we
[20:46] have basically
[20:46] >> to read them all through right now?
[20:49] Sure, if if A resolution approving the
[20:51] appropriation of $83,851.50
[20:54] to the general fund for a contractual
[20:55] sales tax increment post payment to
[20:58] Parkway Village. And we also have the
[21:01] same appropriate another appropriation
[21:02] of $31,003.33
[21:06] for a contractual sales tax increment
[21:07] post performance to the shop at
[21:09] Riverwoods and then we have
[21:11] an appropriation of $13,509.21
[21:15] for contractual sales tax increment post
[21:17] performance payment to Days Market and
[21:19] Cody will go over all of them. Yeah, I
[21:21] think that's probably a good way to do
[21:22] it because they're all very very
[21:23] similar. So, these four payments have
[21:27] resolutions dating going back to 2016,
[21:29] 2018, 2018 and 2019. Perfect. Thank you
[21:32] so much, Kevin. Appreciate you. Um so,
[21:35] they
[21:36] have been around for for a little while
[21:38] and the
[21:40] I got some feedback from from Kirsten
[21:43] upstairs who've been, you know, watching
[21:44] Provo Forward and and
[21:47] getting some criticism, some comments
[21:49] and concerns about sales tax increment.
[21:51] So, I thought I'd just kind of talk
[21:52] about that briefly since I've got 20
[21:53] minutes for all four,
[21:55] but I feel like it's just really just
[21:56] one discussion with four parts to it.
[21:58] But, just in speaking in general to
[22:01] sales tax remittance payments,
[22:03] I think there's two ways to look at it
[22:06] or I guess two different
[22:08] times that it will come to the city.
[22:10] The first time is someone that's looking
[22:12] to come here
[22:14] and set up a business, set up a big box
[22:17] store, something of that nature and
[22:19] they're looking for an incentive to help
[22:21] overcome costs or to improve the store's
[22:24] facade or whatever the the reasons may
[22:26] be.
[22:27] And then the second is if we already
[22:29] have a
[22:31] an outlet here that is maybe going
[22:34] downhill, that is a little bit
[22:37] past its prime that is looking to make
[22:40] improvements, make
[22:43] you know, modifications, expand it,
[22:45] whatever the reasons may be. And so,
[22:48] those are kind of the the two categories
[22:50] that we that we really see it in.
[22:51] >> These aren't legal anymore, right? These
[22:53] aren't what? Aren't these not allowed
[22:54] anymore by the state?
[22:56] They're not allowed by the state so
[22:58] they're We're not allowed to do new
[22:59] ones.
[23:00] >> Both conditions it would have to be from
[23:01] a redevelopment agency that no longer
[23:03] from city to the the end user, the
[23:06] developer, the outlet, correct?
[23:08] >> Thank you. And so there there needs to
[23:09] be that redevelopment agency
[23:11] um kind of mediating the if that's going
[23:13] to happen. And so the um some of the
[23:16] concerns were is is you know, is the
[23:18] city being extorted?
[23:20] Um
[23:21] is is this just you know, businesses
[23:23] just being greedy and and and what is
[23:25] Provo doing having you know, having made
[23:27] these obligations? And there there
[23:30] really is a significant boost in the
[23:34] amount of sales tax revenue that the
[23:35] city has received from all of these. Um
[23:38] in no ways is it is extortion because
[23:40] you know, these were already here. We
[23:42] weren't going to lose lose them. They
[23:44] weren't going to up and you know,
[23:45] Riverwoods wasn't going anywhere. Um
[23:48] and so it it it wasn't extortion. It it
[23:51] was just basically an opportunity that the city had to support them in in
[23:56] their desires to expand, remodel,
[23:59] improve the facade, improve the the
[24:02] I guess the shopping center for
[24:04] Riverwoods and for um kind of Parkway
[24:06] Village as well. And so um
[24:09] that's a little bit of background
[24:10] context in in how I take these payments.
[24:13] >> I think the biggest point is your
[24:14] approved that a the development such
[24:15] that we get more sales tax. It brings
[24:17] more money. It's doing something to get
[24:18] more money in the end. It's not just
[24:20] making it prettier just to help them
[24:21] out. Yeah.
[24:23] And I also had uh question from from
[24:25] Becky Paulden about well, it looks like
[24:27] the caps are are
[24:30] pretty big. Like the the total amount to
[24:33] um the max reimbursement 100,000, 1.1
[24:35] million, 1 million, and 1.5 million. And
[24:38] it doesn't look like any of these
[24:40] entities are on schedule to actually
[24:42] achieve those cap amounts of what
[24:45] they're able to receive. And I'm I
[24:48] wasn't here in 2019, 2018. Um so I can't
[24:51] speak to where they landed on those
[24:53] caps. Um
[24:55] it looked like it was about of
[24:58] a list of qualified improvements that
[25:00] the city was agreeing to reimburse them
[25:02] for. And not necessarily we have done
[25:06] this market study and we anticipate a
[25:08] growth of this much revenue over this
[25:10] period of time and if we're tracking
[25:12] that growth then we will be in line to
[25:15] reach this cap after 10 or I think
[25:18] Riverwood's is 15 years.
[25:20] It looks like it was just basically
[25:22] tacked to the total amount of the
[25:24] improvement which
[25:25] for Provo from Provo City's perspective
[25:28] not meeting the cap is
[25:30] good and bad. It's it's it's good in the
[25:32] sense that we're giving away less of our
[25:33] tax dollars.
[25:35] It's bad in the sense that just that
[25:36] just means that they generated more
[25:38] revenues that the city that the city has
[25:41] enjoyed. So,
[25:43] those are just kind of my setting the
[25:45] table my thoughts on sales tax increment
[25:47] from a high level and then also just
[25:49] speaking to
[25:50] the reimbursement amount as well.
[25:53] So, the
[25:55] payments as you said
[25:57] are for Days Market 13,509,
[26:00] Eastbay 57,766,
[26:03] Parkway Village 83,852,
[26:07] and for Riverwoods 31,003.
[26:10] The only curious thing that I
[26:12] didn't expect and I'm still looking into
[26:14] is that payment to Eastbay. That was the
[26:16] only one that really had a drop from
[26:19] 65,000 last year to 57 this year. And so
[26:22] I've sent the list of businesses that I
[26:24] captured the the sales tax revenues from
[26:27] to the representatives at Eastbay and just said hey will you double check
[26:30] my work, make sure that I'm capturing
[26:32] everything. As well as there was a
[26:33] couple of businesses, one had a negative
[26:36] amount for their sales tax number which
[26:39] could be they overpaid last year by a
[26:42] lot and then the state would make that
[26:44] adjustment.
[26:46] And then there was another one that just
[26:48] looked very low. And so
[26:50] Daniel Follett over in finance is
[26:52] helping me get to the bottom of of that
[26:54] one, but the other three looked really
[26:55] in line as well.
[26:57] Is Parkway Village where the
[26:59] neighborhood Walmart is?
[27:00] >> Yes. Well, they're killing it.
[27:02] >> Walmart and then
[27:04] um,
[27:04] the
[27:05] >> They're killing it. Yeah, the outpad
[27:06] retail that they have there.
[27:07] >> I mean they're by far making a lot more
[27:10] money than Sandy Springs.
[27:12] They're making more. Yeah, that's but
[27:14] that's huge.
[27:15] >> Right, they that is everything that
[27:16] >> It's only half of the increment. Yes.
[27:19] Yeah. So, I mean that there's a big
[27:20] difference there between
[27:22] Yeah.
[27:26] Cuz East Bay's big.
[27:28] But even so, you look at Day's Market.
[27:30] Well, yeah, there's more.
[27:32] >> in the increment cuz I mean that's just
[27:33] a small store. But East Bay does not
[27:35] include Sears, but keep that in mind.
[27:37] Right, it's only a certain Mhm.
[27:41] number of the properties there. It's not
[27:42] the entire
[27:44] east of University.
[27:46] And Parkway Village is just the strip
[27:48] mall, it's not the
[27:50] uh, it's not the outskirt buildings,
[27:51] right? Or is it the whole thing? It's the Walmart, it is the attached and
[27:56] then I think there's two detached
[27:58] outpads. That's what it includes.
[28:00] There's others.
[28:01] >> it the Wingstop and the postal place?
[28:03] >> Yeah, and then there's like the
[28:06] And then the Twisted Sugar and the
[28:07] Bahama Bucks.
[28:08] >> Yeah, exactly. Twisted Sugar and then
[28:09] the Who just went out of business.
[28:10] >> Bahama Bucks, that's what it was. That's
[28:11] what I was thinking before. Yeah.
[28:13] First Watch, the new one that just
[28:15] opened. Yeah, that one is That one is
[28:16] there as well. Yeah. So, But Day's
[28:18] Market is just the store, not the full
[28:20] strip. Correct.
[28:22] Yeah, and so
[28:24] we would
[28:25] definitely
[28:26] anticipate seeing a boost in in Parkway
[28:28] Village now that the
[28:30] There's a Pizza by Cafe, but that space
[28:32] is filled with First Watch. But oh, so
[28:35] you think that building's included in
[28:37] this position? Oh, okay. I'll be seeing
[28:40] it. Yeah, there's offices there are
[28:41] behind it and other space behind it.
[28:43] Those are not included, but the Walmart,
[28:46] the attached outpad, and then the
[28:49] detached out pad as well. But not the
[28:50] 7-Eleven. No.
[28:53] Cody, what does base amount mean? Does
[28:55] Is that the first year payment or So,
[28:58] that's when they came what the taxes
[28:59] were before? Yeah, presumably that that
[29:02] So, that is when they come to us and
[29:03] they say, "Hey, we want
[29:05] sales tax increment and in
[29:07] I see. You know, increment is basically
[29:09] above
[29:10] >> in excess of a certain base amount.
[29:12] >> Exactly. So, when they came to us back
[29:14] in, you know, 2019 for Day's Market,
[29:16] they said, "Right now we're we're
[29:17] bringing in
[29:19] consistent level of this amount. This
[29:21] will be our base year. Everything over
[29:22] that, half of it will go to
[29:25] And that's just the 1% we collect,
[29:27] right?
[29:28] The point of sale, the Yeah, the half
[29:30] percent.
[29:32] So, their increase is actually that much
[29:34] then if you're looking I wasn't really
[29:35] realize that with that base.
[29:37] Yeah.
[29:38] Well, their increase I mean, if that is
[29:40] the base amount over there at Parkway
[29:41] Village is 136,000
[29:44] and now they're bringing in 83, which is
[29:46] half of the increment. Then again, you
[29:47] have to adjust that for inflation.
[29:50] >> Look how much the lower the Riverwood's
[29:52] is than their base amount.
[29:56] Well, at Riverwood's
[29:58] I mean, they wanted what?
[30:01] A lot more and they're not even going to
[30:02] be on track to do that. So, it doesn't
[30:04] look like Riverwood's is as performing
[30:06] as well as they had hoped
[30:09] Yeah. But I was looking at this. a jump.
[30:11] We definitely saw a jump from, you know,
[30:13] 20 24 2025 payment of the 9,000. But
[30:16] you're saying when they did this, they
[30:17] were making 118. Their base amount was
[30:19] 118 as opposed These numbers would say
[30:21] their base is like 60.
[30:25] Yes.
[30:26] Well, wait. But they're Are they making
[30:28] 118 plus the 20,000?
[30:31] >> plus the base. Yeah, it's above the
[30:33] base. plus 4. Yeah, that Okay, that's
[30:36] making sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's 118
[30:38] plus 40, right? Because it's think 50%.
[30:41] >> Exactly. Yeah.
[30:42] >> So, yes. Parkway is killing it. Okay, I
[30:44] feel my job. Well, and it or it would be
[30:46] 60 for this year's payment, right, Gary,
[30:48] instead of 40.
[30:49] >> Yeah.
[30:50] For the 2025, yeah. So, I but I love
[30:53] this format.
[30:55] No.
[30:58] But he's he told me that he did the
[31:00] figures for East Bay, and when you
[31:01] adjust East Bay for inflation, that's a
[31:03] 40% increase.
[31:06] Yes. Yeah, that's pretty good. I didn't
[31:08] ask him to do it. 68% increase from the
[31:10] first payment to today, and then
[31:11] adjusting for inflation, that's 67.
[31:14] So, a 40% increase on East Bay is pretty
[31:16] good, in my opinion. I just had an
[31:18] airhead moment. But I love this, Cody,
[31:21] and I would love to see this continued
[31:22] forward to have us
[31:24] just allow us to have the same kind of
[31:25] format every single time you do a
[31:27] disbursement. All at once, kind of easy
[31:29] to compare, to bench test. We never did
[31:31] get this before, and so
[31:34] this is just so helpful to me
[31:37] to be able to see that, and to know that. But even if you want to
[31:42] throw in, and
[31:43] this is what it's increased from
[31:44] inflation, I wouldn't even be upset
[31:46] about that.
[31:47] >> add that as well, for the
[31:49] City Council meeting.
[31:51] Just put it out there.
[31:52] >> [laughter]
[31:53] >> Well, it'd be cool to see how much
[31:54] they're actually bringing in more than
[31:56] they did before. Yeah.
[31:58] Cody, if you go back to 2016, 18, and
[32:01] 19, how did these um
[32:05] groups become Did the economic
[32:07] development approach them and say, "If
[32:09] you'll do a facade upgrade, we'll enter
[32:11] into this agreement?" Or did they just
[32:13] learn about this pool and inquire about
[32:16] it? Or maybe you don't have that
[32:17] history. I don't have that information.
[32:18] It could have been actively
[32:21] economic development approaching them.
[32:22] More likely, it's it's they were
[32:24] contemplating you know, improvements and
[32:26] looking for support from my years of watching Council
[32:29] meetings,
[32:30] they tried to find a different owner for
[32:32] East Bay, cuz East Bay just was not
[32:34] doing well. And so, that is
[32:37] what drew them in.
[32:39] Days Market needed that to help them
[32:42] remodel.
[32:43] It was just something and I listened to
[32:45] George Stewart say, you know, these guys
[32:46] have been such a staple to our community
[32:49] for so long. We really do need to give
[32:50] back.
[32:51] Parkway Village was for that light
[32:54] to go back and forth to the old Shopko
[32:56] complex
[32:58] that's there on University Parkway and
[33:00] Riverwood's just needed
[33:02] some love. Yeah. Okay.
[33:06] I think it was more Riverwood's kind of
[33:07] approaching once they saw all this stuff
[33:09] going on.
[33:13] Okay.
[33:13] >> [clears throat]
[33:13] >> Any other questions or comments or
[33:15] concerns? I have the
[33:17] other staff reports kind of if there's
[33:19] high-level details we want it
[33:22] I think this is the main takeaway.
[33:24] Cody, so why is this no longer legal at
[33:27] the state level?
[33:28] Different
[33:30] tools have replaced it or
[33:33] No, I think I if I'm going to get into
[33:35] the legislator's heads
[33:37] then
[33:38] it's it's
[33:40] I think it's it's cities getting pitted
[33:42] against each other by big big box
[33:44] retail. So, you know, a Costco. We we
[33:46] saw this in with Costco and, you know,
[33:48] just south of us when they were saying,
[33:50] "Hey Springville, what's your best
[33:52] offer? Spanish, what's your best offer?"
[33:54] Springville, Costco offered us this
[33:57] much, can you go above and beyond? And so I think uh just a history of
[34:01] >> Just to level the playing field a little
[34:03] bit more.
[34:03] >> Yeah, just to kind of get rid of that
[34:06] you know,
[34:08] we we need this, we want this, we're
[34:10] going to go as deep in as as, you know,
[34:12] as far as we can to get this and it
[34:14] ended up really not being
[34:16] we're decreasing the the benefit that
[34:18] the community is getting at the end if we really play that game and and it
[34:22] gets competitive then then it's I think
[34:25] it's not unwise for the state to to take
[34:27] that off the table as a tool
[34:29] for big box.
[34:30] >> Okay. Interesting. Thank you. Mhm.
[34:36] Hey, any other questions for
[34:38] Cody?
[34:40] All right, thanks Cody. Thank you.
[34:42] All right. Well, you just
[34:45] took us to the end here. We just killed
[34:47] it.
[34:48] All right, we are going to have a closed
[34:49] session. So, the city council will
[34:50] consider a motion to close meeting.
[34:52] Gary, if you want to
[34:54] Yes, thank you. I understand the topic
[34:57] for discussion is a strategy strategy
[35:00] session for the sale of real property.
[35:03] That is a permissible reason under the
[35:05] statutes.
[35:07] Okay.
[35:08] So,
[35:09] we will take a motion for a closed
[35:12] [clears throat] session. I move to meet
[35:13] to go into closed session.
[35:15] Second. All right, we have a first and
[35:17] second. Any discussion on the closed
[35:19] session?
[35:20] We'll do a vote. Counselor Bobbin? Yes.
[35:23] Counselor Wetzel? Yes. Counselor
[35:24] Christiansen?
[35:25] >> Yes. Counselor McKay? Yes. Counselor
[35:28] Garrett?
[35:28] >> Yes.
[35:30] And we will now recess municipal Provo
[35:33] council work meeting and reconvene in
[35:34] the pre-function room for closed
[35:35] meeting.