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>> Okay, channel 17, please start

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>> Welcome. Welcome. this uh last week of

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school to T-Mac. And I I say that

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because I get to go straight home and

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you know steal kids on and the first getting to summer vacation. Um

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introduce everybody. My name is Beth

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Province. I'm T-MAC Care.

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>> I'm Noah Gordon, member of T-Mac.

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>> I'm Ryan Kohler. Um

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contingent member of T-Mac sort of

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thing.

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Uh, I'm Emma and I'm thinking about

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That's why I'm here.

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>> Ashley, public works

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member.

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from Golding, Provo City Development

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Services. And city development services

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» Hey, Alan Shore Provo City Engineering.

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>> Excellent. Okay,

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>> online.

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>> Oh, there's two online. Could you go

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>> Everyone, I'm Joel Ta. I'm the planning

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>> Oh, awesome. Nice to meet you. Joel will

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be replacing Lisa in August since we

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don't meet in July and um we'll get him

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nominated and paperwork sent to the

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mayor's office and then they'll do the

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advising consent of uh him becoming a

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T-MAC member. So, he's joining us today

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to approve minutes from the April

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meeting. Uh, does anybody have any

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corrections or anything they like to

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them, I'm not going

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» Thank you. And I I can second that,

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>> Okay. We only have one major item on the

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agenda today, but it is a big and long

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one. Um we asked Vern to go ahead and

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pull a lot of numbers together about

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east west connectivity throughout Provo.

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Vern to start us off.

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over the maruchi band or mariachi band

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next door.

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east west connectivity was a discussion

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topic and uh you guys asked me to put

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were able to do that.

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um the transportation master plan. So,

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we're going to talk about what each plan

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three plans and then we're going to kind

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of look at a few other things um with

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east west connectivity with uh level of

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service and what corridors are east west

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and what has been done and what yet

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needs to be done accomplished. So, uh

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the general plan these are all the

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connectivity in the general plan. and

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see improve east west traffic flow. Uh

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look at signal timing to do reduce times

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uh for east west travel. Uh center

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street is the primary east west corridor

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for the city. It is one of those. Uh 600

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west will provide east west mobility.

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description. and then 3,700 north to the

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east west connection uh across the north

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end of the city connecting MU High

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corridor to the west. So that was all

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the references to the general plan.

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plan. Let's look and see what was in the

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general plan.

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this the right size here if I can.

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connect 500 uh at 700 East, connect over

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there to 900 East at 450 North. So,

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that's an important east west

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connectivity as well. Um,

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barrier to east west traffic. um those

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uh run through the city and I'm just you

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railroad tracks BRT system and I-15 all

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act as barriers uh to east west mobility

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uh references bike walk and transit gaps

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especially for east west connectivity

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because of those barriers um east west

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difficult by the train tracks

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I-15 corridor and limited flow at the

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few crossings and of course we're aware

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increase east west mobility explore the

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visibility of an active transportation

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facility from east to west across I-15.

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plan. East West references mentions

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synchronization of traffic signals uh

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could reduce idling and then streaming

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streamlining bottlenecks at east west

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connector. So looking at that as well.

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much aware of east west connectivity and

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the east west uh requirements.

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to uh Center Street in Orum. Uh that

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particular arterial was completed in

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500 west under I-15. Now, you're going

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to say that's not an east west

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connection, but what I'm bringing up

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here is this is kind of a it runs north

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and south, but it is east west

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connectivity because it gets across the

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interstate, right?

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arterial and connection uh to I-15 was

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done in 2016, so fairly recent. And then

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around. So, for whatever reason, uh,

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of our order here. So, feel free to go

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try to show where this is at. Goes right

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over here. So that would connect to

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Geneva Road and go up and over or down

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being very close to I-15. Whether that

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Broadview Shores that will be connected

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hearing from us more about 200 North

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versus 300 North as a east west bikeway.

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560 south from Epic Lane to Lake View

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subdivisions that are already coming in

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connectivity there. And then 1560 south

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connecting that. So our transportation

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master plan does show uh east west

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connectivity for future collectors and

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What's the status of the 900?

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to talk about that. Yeah. Okay. Let's move on to MAGS RTV. And this is

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MAGS draft 2055 regional transportation

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plan. We all had a really good

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presentation from Bob Allen. Was that

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January of this year or I don't know

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when it was but we had a really good

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presentation for MAG talked about the

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regional transportation plan. Um well

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the first one is 1680 to 1730.

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Um that one is that one's still on

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there.

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>> How long has that one been on there?

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>> A long time. I'd have to go back and

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look at the two previous transportation

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master plans, but it's been there I

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think for the at least the previous one.

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I don't know about the 2000, but it

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certainly was for the 2013.

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>> I had heard

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that when freeway would be rebuilt for

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the first Olympics

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and there was many many drafts of things

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to do just kind of swiveled at that

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point.

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Well, they had a whole collector

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distributor system that went from about

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Provo Center Street up to about 1730s,

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you know, 1460 somewhere around there.

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Um, but they selected design build

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contractor and that all went out the

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window. And what they were able to do is

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convince the DOT that if we don't build

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a collector distributor system, we can

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widen the road all the way down the

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Spanish Fork. That's what they did.

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>> So they lost the collector distributor

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system and the frontage roads a problem.

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>> And that's not something

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that

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>> it's it's not being proposed in the new

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R uh 2055 RTP. Let me just say it that

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way. It's still an idea or concept out

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there.

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>> Um,

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>> not like closing myself up. I'm cool.

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>> Ryan, did you have any personal

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knowledge of any personal knowledge, but

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I do like the CD system that was there

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and

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I kind of I've heard a lot of things in

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the industry that the design builder

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that won the job definitely didn't do

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any services to the local cities.

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um that the alternative could have been

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better for local development.

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>> No, you're exactly right. And and I

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think they really uh cater to the DOT and not

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to the partnering cities and tax. Yeah,

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>> I was

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>> um we still talked about the 500 north.

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We just talked about that. 700 East to

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900 East, that's in their plan. 900

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South, grade separation. This is this is

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the one Craig that we're talking about.

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Um goes from 350 East over to 7th east.

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So basically

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>> from the

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>> Yeah, I would connect to State Street

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over there. Come down by the cemetery.

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Um and come down right before 350 here

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by the Food and Care Coalition.

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>> Hey, can we come back up? I know you

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just talked about 500 north, but the one

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above that is 500 north

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over under the railroad track.

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>> Uh 500 North uh to 620. U yeah, thank

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you. I skipped that one.

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>> This is completely new. This is not in

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Provo's transportation master plan. Um

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I'll show it to you in a little bit

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here, but this um this is a strange one.

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It would have to go up and over I-15,

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two sets of railroad tracks, the Provo

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River, and come in somewhere around

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destroying Fort Utah Park. I I don't

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know that people have thought that one

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through. Um, it's

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>> Fort

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Utah.

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>> Well, on the south side of the river,

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>> it's on the south side of the river.

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might come in right right on the north

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side, but it kind of it hits 620, which

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is

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>> you would either have to go it would

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you'd either have to take out like

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>> a bunch of you could you could work the

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bike trail, but you'd have to take out a

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bunch of houses in that neighborhood

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>> or

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like build it over the river, which I

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think would be

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>> I think the first one came in the first

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one came in right up for Utah Park. It

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wasn't far enough north, so they

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extended that to go up to 620. So when

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this goes out for public comment,

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>> uh you the when the RTP goes out for

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public comment by MAG and it will be

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toward uh the beginning of next year

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around January. uh we need to certainly

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get a recommendation from T-Mac and

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you're individually as residents of

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Provo you or Utah County you share

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whatever you want with them lies a lot

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of input okay

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>> so I I'm gonna and this is speculation

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but would this be something to

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lay a foundation for a

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» uh probably not right there. A little

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too close to the

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» but part of a CD system.

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>> Yeah. If it were a CD system, a

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collector distributor system, then that

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could work. Yeah.

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>> Okay.

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>> But that's not being proposed on the

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2055 RTP. And then once and for all Utah

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Lake crossing from Pelican Point to the

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east side of Utah Lake.

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It right now they're showing it anywhere

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from 2000 North in Provo, Center Street

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in Provo. Um if you haven't heard it, um

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UD do is doing a major PEL study which

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is planning the environmental linkage

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study. They did meet with the

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administration and me

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earlier this week. um they six months

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into the study it will take two and a

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half years they have two years what I

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think Provo's concerns were this as we

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shared with the team

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um I believe Avenue is doing that right

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Ryan

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>> Avenue is doing that yeah

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>> so what we shared with Avenue

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consultants UD do's selected contractor

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for this was that

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we want to know once and for all

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is this feasible or not because if It's

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not feasible. Then we need to plan 10

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other projects that will somehow provide

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the access and the road widths and the

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transit and everything else that goes

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along with it. Otherwise, if you're just

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putting all your money into one idea and

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it doesn't ever happen, we got more

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congestion in the valley. Okay. So,

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that's kind of what we told them.

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that bridge.

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>> Sometimes the concepts are just studied

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to see what would happen because you

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don't know until you know like I'm doing

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a con like a feasibility study to put a

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cable stay structure over Lake Powell

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right now $600 million to put a bridge

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in the middle of nowhere

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>> but we don't know if it's what it looks

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like until we know what it looks like.

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>> This this study will look at a whole

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bunch of different alternatives. I mean,

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they'll look at fairies, they'll look at

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floating bridges, they'll look at spam

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bridges, they'll look at causeways,

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they'll look at, hey, we're going to

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know once and for all in a couple years,

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right? And that it either stays on the

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plan or it disappears for good. At least

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that's what I'm hoping. Okay.

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So existing east west widening project

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and magsdraft plan for two projects that

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are still on there are 2200 north um

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from Canyon Road to Stadium Avenue and

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also the 820 North corridor from Geneva

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Road to University Avenue. Those haven't

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changed. Those are still on our plan and

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they're still on the RTP's draft plan.

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Okay.

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Now we want to talk a little bit about

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level of service. Uh it can refer to an

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intersection or a corridor. What we're

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going to talk about today is more

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associated with the corridor level of

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service by segment instead of an

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intersection level of service. Um level

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of service B is what we design and what

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is acceptable in the state of Utah.

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That's just what it is in urban areas.

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In rural areas,

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uh, they design and what's acceptable in

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rural areas is level service C. It's a

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little bit better level of service, but

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they they have lesser population. They

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actually have, um, per capita more

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vehicle miles traveled in rural areas

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because they have to travel longer

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distances to school, to doctor's,

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appointments, to those things. Um,

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shopping even. Um so what we're going to

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talk a little bit about today is the

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level of service D for RPM peak hour

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here based upon daily traffic volumes.

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Uh capacity can roadway capacity can be

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varies

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by the number of lanes. It varies by the

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number of driveways or the number of

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public streets accessing it. Uh even

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traffic signal spacing and timing

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affects corridor level service. So you

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can kind of see up there it's like a

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report card right

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>> you should not interpret it as a report

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card the number one thing I teach

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>> okay

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>> it is not a card do not

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>> so level of service C means you have the

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least traffic delay level of service E

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means you are using the the

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infrastructure most efficiently you're

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operating more services closer to their

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capacity

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>> and and I I think that's a really good

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observation

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Um, however, um,

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that's why we designed to the level of

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service D, okay? Is to maximize,

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um, you you you don't want a roadway

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that's 200 ft wide and eight lanes

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across, right? Um, it's that no one's

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going to be using it half the time. You

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want to be efficient with the public's

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money and you also going to breezy

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expect to put up with some delay. No,

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the the number one mistake that people

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made when they developed level of

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service is give it letter grades. Yeah,

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>> it should not be interpreted as a report

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card. We've known this for decades, but

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it's so impossible not to look at that

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and say A's are better than like they're

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not,

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>> right? And that's why I started off with the level service D and what we

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designed for. But for a layman or lay

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person,

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you can look at it as a report card.

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Okay. Again, I reject

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you should not interpret it as a report

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card.

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>> It's tricky because everything has a

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lifetime, right? So, you're shooting for

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optimal lifetime utilization. So, when

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you first build, it might be

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underutilized.

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>> That's right.

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>> 20 years down the road, it might be

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failing again. So, when you see things

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built, it's not like we're building for

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today. Usually, it's sometime in the

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future. There's usually a target year

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that we designed to.

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>> I I think that's a really good point.

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um you get a new road and you're going

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to see just that on Lake View Parkway

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when I get down to it, right? You're

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going to see this new facility and

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you're going to say, "No one's using

546
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,559
it." It's not the case necessarily, but

547
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:20,559
uh okay, I'm going to try to blow this

548
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:22,480
up just a little bit so you can see the

549
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,399
numbers here.

550
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:27,520
Um let's start off with 4800 North and

551
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,159
Foothill Drive. So, this is Foothill

552
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:32,480
Drive coming down off the mountain. Uh

553
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,159
this is one of the roads that we got

554
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:37,200
built here and connected next to 4,800

555
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,480
north. Um these are segments. So each

556
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,960
segment that you see here, we were able

557
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,840
to pull up the volume and the percentage

558
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,640
of that capacity being utilized for

559
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,799
level of service D. It's not the

560
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:55,200
physical capacity of the road. So it's

561
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,880
not level of service C like you would

562
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,240
find on a a rural area, but it's level

563
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,520
of service D. So when we look at this

564
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,000
21,000 vehicles between this segment and

565
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,200
this segment, we're looking at about 64,

566
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,240
if I'm reading that correctly, 64% uh

567
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,919
capacity of a level of service D. So

568
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:18,399
there's, you know, it might be busy, but

569
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:23,200
it's it's not not uh not that busy,

570
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:23,600
right?

571
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,320
>> Yeah. You could add you could add 10,000

572
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,080
cars per day to it and it would still be

573
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,240
level service.

574
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,200
So, this next segment 14,000, you see

575
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,360
it's at 42%.

576
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,919
Now, remember how I talked about lane

577
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:40,320
sizes and lane widths or not lane widths

578
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,880
necessarily, but lane number of lanes.

579
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,360
Um, it does drop down here and so I have

580
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,039
to use a different calculation to

581
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:51,039
calculate these roadway segments. So,

582
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,840
this newer road that we built a few

583
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,919
years back is about 30% capacity for a

584
00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:01,039
level service D. It's got 5,400 vehicles

585
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:05,360
that use it on a daily basis. Um,

586
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,240
this segment 3,300. So, it drops down at

587
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,480
18% and then it climbs a little bit

588
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,120
3,500 vehicles per day on Foothill.

589
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,880
So, we're going to go through each one

590
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,120
of these east west because that's what I

591
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,679
was requested to provide information.

592
00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:22,240
>> Thank you.

593
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,279
>> And then you guys get to uh certainly do

594
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,120
some discussion here for the rest of the

595
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,840
day. Let me zoom in on this one. Okay.

596
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,200
3700 North. Uh I believe this connects

597
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,960
to 8 South in Orum

598
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,039
>> and this goes by

599
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,120
>> and yeah, it hits Temp High School and

600
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,880
Edgemont

601
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,240
Elementary School. Um Will's Pit Stop is

602
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,440
here to orient you. Uh so we're about

603
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,120
83% on this segment. Um, we have a major

604
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,720
safety problem right here and we're

605
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,320
going to be doing something at Edgewood

606
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,799
Drive in the next year or less if we

607
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:03,120
can. Um, but we are Dave's already

608
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,960
designed a draft for us and we're going

609
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,200
to look at improving the safety of that

610
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,600
intersection. This segment's about 89%.

611
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,720
So, what happens is is there's a lot of

612
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,960
vehicles that use this segment here.

613
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,760
you're at 60%, you drop down to 60%

614
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,520
here. And then, you know, Quell Valley,

615
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,919
you know, it's just not that busy.

616
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:29,840
Let's go down to the next one.

617
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,480
University Parkway. Now, you're asking,

618
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,399
is that a north south road or east west?

619
00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:35,600
It is east west.

620
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,440
>> It's it's it's the diagonal,

621
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,200
>> right? It's the diagonal. The old

622
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,640
diagonal as we called it. Um, so now

623
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,679
when I show this up here at 103%,

624
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:48,640
that means it's 103% of level of service

625
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,320
D capacity, which means it really is a

626
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,399
level of service E. Everybody's been

627
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:56,320
there, right?

628
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,120
Get down here a little bit better. Um,

629
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,799
75%,

630
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,159
88%, it gets busier. Uh, where we at

631
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:06,080
here? 90%.

632
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,240
Um, Voden, what's this number? 61. Okay.

633
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,799
And so 92 if I remember correctly over

634
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,519
here by the stadium and then uh what's

635
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,720
that 63

636
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,799
so that is that is Parkway and um

637
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,039
there are some very busy park parts of

638
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,760
Parkway and the further west you get the

639
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,039
worse it is right everybody's been up to

640
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,470
or

641
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,600
2230 north uh this connects to

642
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,799
University Parkway and to our 9 east. Uh

643
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,640
we're at 65% between this segment here,

644
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,760
67% between University Avenue and Canyon

645
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,880
Road at 111%.

646
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,320
Uh now I wanted to tell you the two

647
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,679
numbers here. This is a number that's

648
00:32:57,679 --> 00:33:00,240
extrapolated using U dot numbers. This

649
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,320
is U dot numbers. When you see an

650
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,279
asterisk, that is Provo City's actual

651
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,799
counts. Okay? So they're off by 2,000

652
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,039
here because I counted this in January

653
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:14,159
at 17,000 and it's probably a little low

654
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:16,320
because that time of year seasonal

655
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,279
fluctuation. Um but when you look at

656
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,000
that uh during PMP peak hour it's

657
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,360
certainly over level of service D and

658
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,760
we're into E.

659
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,399
As you pull around here on 9 east you're

660
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:33,039
going to see traffic increase. The drop

661
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:37,200
off is at Temp View or Tempview Drive.

662
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,799
I lost my mouse. And that's around 85%

663
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,120
along 9 east. So, it's a busy facility.

664
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,240
Everybody knows it's busy facility. Um,

665
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,360
and it's only getting

666
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,320
busy now. Didn't you do something last

667
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,000
summer? Didn't you do some traffic

668
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,919
counts on there last summer on 19?

669
00:33:57,919 --> 00:33:59,200
>> We did. Yeah, we did some traffic counts

670
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,799
on 9 east over by the church building

671
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:01,840
south of University.

672
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,200
>> Okay.

673
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,799
>> We didn't analyze this at all. If you

674
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:06,240
want the data, I can share it.

675
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,360
>> Yeah, I'd love love love to see that.

676
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,480
>> I mean, it was it was kind of an

677
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,720
interesting time because it was when

678
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,919
that stretch of 900 East was closed.

679
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:17,040
>> Uh was the stretch between the the MTC

680
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,280
and the and the temple was was shut.

681
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,879
>> Oh, yeah.

682
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:23,679
>> So, volumes may have been lower.

683
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,909
>> Yeah.

684
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,320
» Temple reopens, what do you expect these

685
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,839
volumes to increase by? I don't know how

686
00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:36,240
much they're going to increase, but I

687
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,599
know I'm going to have to do a signal

688
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,480
warrant analysis on North Temple and 9

689
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,000
East.

690
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,440
I've already promised that to the

691
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,960
neighborhood.

692
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,440
So, and I won't do it in house. That one

693
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,839
I'll actually hire a consultant to do

694
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:51,520
because

695
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,520
I want to make sure everybody's

696
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,520
trustworthy. A little tricky though

697
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:06,390
because the old temple district

698
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,880
uh 820 north. Uh let's look at the

699
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,359
volumes there. Uh I'm going to make this

700
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:12,960
just a little bit bigger so I can see

701
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,880
it. Okay, so this segment, please note

702
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,280
that this segment's only a couple lanes.

703
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,240
And so when I say it's 86% of level

704
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,480
service D capacity and then it drops

705
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,119
down here to 37, that's because we get

706
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,400
to three lanes here. Uh we get over here

707
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,119
west, I'm sorry, east of uh State

708
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,800
Street, it goes back up to 89%.

709
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,640
And then what we're looking 70 there uh

710
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,200
west of uh between Freedom and and

711
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,760
University Avenue and then 64%

712
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,000
east of uh University Avenue.

713
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,760
>> What what methodology did you use to

714
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,160
determine the level of service?

715
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,680
Um I you

716
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,240
>> not not the level of service but the the capacity uh for the because yeah

717
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:03,520
there's no turn lane on that section of

718
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,359
820 north but there also no driveways to

719
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:07,440
turn left into. So it's strange that

720
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,920
your level of service capacity would be

721
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,760
so sensitive to that.

722
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,440
>> It's sensitive to lanes and it's

723
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,760
sensitive to the spacing of traffic

724
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,480
signals. So it's either less than or

725
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,280
greater than half mile segments. And I

726
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,160
can show you what I use. I use UD do

727
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,760
approved

728
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,359
um

729
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:31,440
uh level of service capacities for CDME.

730
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,839
Uh that's what I use. Okay. So is that based on high capacity manual

731
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:36,560
methodology or

732
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,040
>> Yeah. Highway capacity methodology for

733
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,400
urban, suburban and rural areas. I this

734
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,839
is urban area. So

735
00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:46,240
>> when were these numbers?

736
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,280
>> These are Thank you. 2024.

737
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,000
So they're a couple years old.

738
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,839
This combination of and

739
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:58,640
>> this is AAD. So this is daily traffic

740
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,079
volumes.

741
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,240
>> The level service will fluctuate during

742
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,960
the day.

743
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,400
>> I guess as I'm seeing all the numbers,

744
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,800
I'm really curious each section has

745
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,800
different volumes and where are they

746
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,800
going from?

747
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,400
Well, in this case, it's it's not a

748
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,760
difference in the there's some

749
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,599
difference in the volume, but mostly the

750
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,240
difference between the 86% and the 37%

751
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,960
is you're using a different inputs to

752
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,800
this level of service formula. So, it's

753
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,320
not that the volume is changing by that

754
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,680
much. It's that the data the design data

755
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,079
makes the level of service the the

756
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,320
capacity at which you reach level of

757
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,829
service be much higher.

758
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:40,960
And there are a number of reasons

759
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,839
vehicles crammed together there on the west side. You've got the Freedom

760
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:45,839
Academy there, the Liberty, whatever.

761
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:48,000
There's a lot of vehicles stack up when

762
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,280
those kids are getting in and out.

763
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,520
You've got the railroad crossing there.

764
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,280
A lot of people going to, you know, the

765
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,720
high school or something, get to sit

766
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,720
there and wait for a train or they're

767
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:57,920
coming back, get to sit there and wait

768
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,839
for the trains. There just a lot of

769
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:02,160
reasons people jam up near the freeway.

770
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,520
That's right. the level of service

771
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,280
decapacity

772
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,200
>> the level of service decapacity over by

773
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,640
the freeway is like 11,000

774
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,480
uh but then you drop 3,000 because of

775
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,800
all the freedom prep provoc

776
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,079
onto gramby right so the volume goes

777
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,400
down by by 3,000 but the level of

778
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,760
service D volume jumps up to 16,000 in

779
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,280
that segment

780
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,599
>> because of the extra space and the nose

781
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,680
traffic signals and the turn lane and

782
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,960
all those other things. So that's

783
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,870
>> when it goes past 500

784
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,000
» the volume goes up.

785
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why.

786
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,599
>> And also be aware of the length of the

787
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,480
segments. Um so this is a pretty small

788
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,480
segment from Independence over to Geneva

789
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,720
Road. This is a much larger segment from

790
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:55,109
Independence all the way over to 500.

791
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:58,079
Okay. Which one is this one? This one is

792
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:03,920
500 North. So you can see 500 North. Um

793
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,920
it's got a lot of capacity still

794
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,800
remaining at it. It's been busy,

795
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,960
very very busy because it's been our

796
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,520
detour route for the bridge being out at

797
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,520
820. So that doesn't reflect today's

798
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,520
numbers. Okay, this is 2024 numbers. As

799
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,200
you get closer, I think everybody

800
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,760
realizes how important 500 North is to

801
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,440
Provo City.

802
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,040
And um you get over here by the by the

803
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,200
rec center and you're going to see

804
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,599
higher capacity. We are replacing that

805
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:39,119
signal there this year. Um and then when

806
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:42,800
you get um east of that University

807
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,880
Avenue

808
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,079
number was 11,000. Okay. I didn't

809
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,480
believe it and I still don't believe it.

810
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,520
And so we had numbers where we just did

811
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,079
a Khan did a new traffic signal at

812
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:59,839
northeast and 500 north and this was our

813
00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:01,839
traffic volume counts. Okay.

814
00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:03,280
>> Well, you should use UDA's numbers when

815
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,359
you're doing signal war analysis. You

816
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:10,069
should do pro.

817
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,800
» So anyway, this this show's a little

818
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,040
off, right? I mean that's that's pretty

819
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:15,599
far off.

820
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:16,960
>> Well, they probably measured it right at

821
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,520
the library. Yeah, they could have these

822
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,599
segments, you know, they measure the

823
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:22,880
whole segment. So, you're right. They

824
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,079
could have measured it right at the

825
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:25,680
library.

826
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,079
Okay, let's go to the next one. This is

827
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,599
200. Um, I don't believe this either.

828
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:35,920
Uh, a thousand vehicles on uh on 200

829
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,880
North. If that's the case, best kept

830
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,040
secret in Provo for East West Mobility

831
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,000
is 200 North.

832
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,440
>> I go 200 all the time.

833
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,440
And let's just keep that secret. Yeah,

834
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,440
keep that secret

835
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,670
meeting.

836
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,240
» Let's look at 200 north.

837
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,720
>> Yeah, I have seen the difference

838
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,200
>> especially with BRT.

839
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,960
>> Yeah,

840
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,040
>> you've seen an increase in traffic.

841
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:05,760
>> Tremendous.

842
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,599
>> Because David lives right on 200. He

843
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,319
fronts 200 north on the south side.

844
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:13,440
So if we are cutting off

845
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,920
>> Yeah, there's that's about the only you

846
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,440
can cross university at

847
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,720
>> center, first north, second north, fifth

848
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,240
north

849
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:30,550
and what is it? Seven store

850
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:36,069
» third and fourth third fourth and sixth.

851
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,800
» Okay. Center street will go again from

852
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,359
west to east. Uh we got out here Lake

853
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:43,119
View Parkway. Actually it's Lakeshore

854
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:51,839
Drive is this segment out to the harbor. Um 15% it's all

855
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:54,480
concerns there. When people say how busy

856
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,520
Center Street is, it is very, very busy.

857
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,280
Um, we look at 5100. We just did some,

858
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,319
we just added bike lanes and uh this

859
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:06,640
section was just uh re completely

860
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,480
reconstructed.

861
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,680
So, um, David was able to uh get us bike

862
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,200
lanes on the south side. We had them on

863
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,440
the north side, just didn't have room on

864
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,520
the south side. Future development is

865
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,960
going to push that where we'll get curb

866
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,200
and gutter soon.

867
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,240
Okay, moving over here. This is an

868
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,280
interesting thing. Um, UD do said they

869
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,760
had 18,000 vehicles, which is 275%

870
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,599
of a level service D, which means it's

871
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:39,359
pretty much failing. Okay, during PMP,

872
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:41,680
um, our counts are a little bit

873
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,430
different. Um,

874
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,640
» had 28,000.

875
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,440
>> 28,000.

876
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,839
>> Oh, it's 28,000. Thank you. My eyes are

877
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:55,839
bad. 185 I believe. Now the reason for the

878
00:42:55,839 --> 00:43:01,040
two different ones there is I calculated

879
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,880
this one out at its current two-lane

880
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,599
configuration. It will be restriped this

881
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,480
summer to a three-lane facility. You got

882
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,960
once that apartment complex is built

883
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,280
that will be striped from 1600 west to

884
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,960
Geneva Road to a three-lane facility and

885
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,040
then it's still 137% capacity of a level

886
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,040
service D. Okay, it will improve

887
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,319
but it's still going to be a level

888
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:28,800
service

889
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,640
>> without the department going in. So,

890
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,599
>> okay. uh 109%

891
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,359
uh I don't think this surprises anybody

892
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:40,000
that we have 36,000 vehicles coming off

893
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,560
of uh I-15 on Center Street. Uh a lot of

894
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,160
them turn, but some continue center

895
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,119
street itself. It's a little peculiar. I

896
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:54,079
did calculate this out at four lanes. Um

897
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:55,839
there are four lanes. They're very

898
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:57,839
small, nine nine and a half foot width

899
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:00,560
lanes, but uh we do have a lot of

900
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,280
traffic signals. So that's at 75%

901
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,480
capacity with 18,000.

902
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,280
My I hadn't gone out there and counted.

903
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,680
We haven't done our data there, but I

904
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,200
suspect we're closer to 20,000 on that

905
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,400
segment. Drops down to 11,000 when you

906
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,560
get east. And then there's a little

907
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,160
segment here between 9th and

908
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,760
1080 or something like that.

909
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,640
>> Seventh and nth.

910
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,319
>> Seventh and ninth. Thank you. It is

911
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:31,760
seventh and ninth. 64 and then I get

912
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,200
down to 39 when I guess east of 9 east.

913
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,480
Um what we learned was the state

914
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,319
hospital produces a lot more trips than

915
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:43,510
we thought.

916
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,599
Obviously not by patients but by support

917
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,839
staff and

918
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:49,440
all the the freight deliveries that need

919
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,599
to be there to support the population

920
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:57,040
that's there. Plus six Grisby Golf.

921
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,040
It draws people from everywhere.

922
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,960
>> Really?

923
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,160
>> Every once in a while you get to go to

924
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,359
the castle.

925
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:04,000
>> What was that?

926
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,960
>> The castle.

927
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,839
>> Oh yes.

928
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:07,440
>> What are your What are your October?

929
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,839
>> Are they still doing the haunted castle?

930
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:13,839
>> I remember doing that years ago. I

931
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:16,960
didn't know they still have it. Okay,

932
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,599
let's let's go down and talk Lake View

933
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,079
Parkway for just a second. This is a new

934
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,319
facility, right? This is exactly what

935
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,560
Ryan was kind of talking about. Uh

936
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,319
there's excess capacity built to

937
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:30,720
accommodate capacity up to the design

938
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:32,560
year. David, do you remember the design

939
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,319
year? 2045 or 2050? I think it was 2050

940
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:39,280
was the design year on this one. So, UD

941
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,520
do says we only have a thousand vehicles

942
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,480
and that's only 3% for a level service

943
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,119
D. Um I've done some counts out there.

944
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,440
We actually have around 2,600 vehicles a

945
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,520
day and it's getting busier. It's

946
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:52,000
growing

947
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,079
>> well and people realize that it's

948
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:57,040
connecting like I know soon as 2000

949
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,599
connected through to the parkway that's

950
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:02,480
how I drive home every day from work the

951
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,990
volume has gone up on 2000

952
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:08,960
» and then

953
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,280
>> and it connects

954
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,920
>> this segment west I'm sorry east of

955
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,839
University Avenue is one big segment

956
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:18,720
that they did. It's 14,000 approaching

957
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:23,440
60% capacity on on Lake View Parkway. So

958
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,520
now this is where I get to turn it back

959
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,079
to you guys for discussion and I get to

960
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:31,760
enjoy not talking.

961
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,599
>> I I'm going to have you scroll through.

962
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:34,880
>> Okay.

963
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,200
>> Can you go to the Center Street?

964
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:37,760
>> Which one?

965
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,200
>> The Center Street.

966
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,800
>> Yep.

967
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,599
I am very yeah that one

968
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,680
to me that's actually extremely

969
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,440
concerning

970
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,480
the fact that we are still over capacity

971
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,040
in both areas coming off

972
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,440
>> well let me just say that it is a state

973
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,319
route state route 114

974
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:04,720
we have been working tirelessly for the

975
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,680
last several years trying to get Geneva

976
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160
Road and that segment on Center Street

977
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,079
built that's supposed to go to five

978
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,800
lanes and then the Geneva Road supposed

979
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,560
to be a three l full three-lane

980
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,800
cross-section sidewalk curb and gutter

981
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,160
and and shoulders on the east side

982
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,560
curve gutter and a trail and shoulders

983
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,240
on the west side.

984
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,560
>> That was my my next question because I

985
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,880
know Geneva Road State Road and I know

986
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,040
500 West.

987
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,079
So that once it crosses over and hits

988
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,160
500, does it stop being a state road and

989
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,160
go down to 300?

990
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,960
>> It's a state road all the way up to

991
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,920
State Street. So State Street to 2050

992
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,480
West. Now years ago, this used to be a

993
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,760
state road all the way to the state

994
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,400
hospital. And all the reds on that are

995
00:47:52,400 --> 00:48:01,109
state

996
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,839
» and I know this is more of a northwest

997
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:08,079
connection not not north south not east

998
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,640
west but I feel like it's probably going

999
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,520
to impact it. They have plans to take

1000
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,720
Geneva all the way to Lake. So we yeah

1001
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,560
it's in our transportation master plan

1002
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,920
to connect 2050 west down to Lake View

1003
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,800
Parkway. Yes.

1004
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,480
My biggest concern in this area is

1005
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,680
all the development is going to happen

1006
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,839
here in Southwest Provo and then how

1007
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:33,359
does that traffic get on the northbound

1008
00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:35,680
I-15? I hate the northbound access at

1009
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,440
University Avenue interchange. I don't

1010
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,160
really airport too much here. this is

1011
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,079
where everybody's going to go

1012
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,040
>> and this traffic, you know, as that

1013
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,720
fills out, this is just going to get

1014
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:50,559
worse and worse for the interchange.

1015
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,160
>> Well, that's why the parkway,

1016
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,720
correct me if I'm wrong, or was

1017
00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:00,000
basically told to finish the parkway up

1018
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,160
connected to Geneva Road right below or

1019
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,599
tel so that they have access to

1020
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,359
>> New York Avenue interchange, which also

1021
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:10,240
isn't great. Yes. Well, I I understand,

1022
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:11,920
but it's a connection towards towards

1023
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,950
the freeway. Um, that's

1024
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,040
» Is there still a a new interchange in

1025
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,839
Provo on the plan?

1026
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:24,640
>> It is currently on the RTP and it's a

1027
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,000
draft on the future draft of the RTP at

1028
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:28,559
820.

1029
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:29,520
>> They'd have to do an environmental

1030
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,990
impact statement.

1031
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,720
I think the idea is putting

1032
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,880
a freeway interchange somewhere around

1033
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,960
800.

1034
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,480
>> I know that's in the plan. Like part of

1035
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,839
the reason I'm here, I told this

1036
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:46,480
committee rejected that last year. U had

1037
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,400
aotted $3 million for that environmental

1038
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,960
study and Provo turned them down.

1039
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,079
uh the mayor turned them down because

1040
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:55,599
I don't think this committee ever talked

1041
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:57,680
about I don't know like I wasn't

1042
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:02,240
>> we had probably at least half if not

1043
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:03,920
somewhere around half of that funding

1044
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,800
already I was on the original team the

1045
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,680
private sector side that did partial

1046
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,520
that study um it didn't move forward

1047
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,040
with the environmental I think it's just

1048
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,200
a personal opinion I think once UD do is

1049
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,760
done with their PEL study and catch your

1050
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:22,960
breath.

1051
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,200
>> Got to do the same thing for 8:20 and

1052
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,839
make a final decision on that someday,

1053
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:29,200
right? I'm not

1054
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,240
>> It would be the commute lane. We have

1055
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:34,640
the commuters for BYU and IHC that are

1056
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,800
our biggest employers. It would be a

1057
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,400
direct commute for them to get all those

1058
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,319
commuters to get out of University

1059
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:42,079
Parkway. And

1060
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,920
>> except BYU has no parking.

1061
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,359
There's nowhere for the traffic to go

1062
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:49,440
on.

1063
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,480
because it goes at the bottom side of

1064
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,480
right through all of the

1065
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:02,390
>> building. What was that?

1066
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,800
» There's there's the there's the bank

1067
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,960
parking lot right next to Canyon Road

1068
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,359
and Old Provo High. That's a good size

1069
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:10,400
lot.

1070
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:10,720
>> Yeah.

1071
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,240
Um

1072
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:14,880
>> that may still be there. They have

1073
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,400
>> BYU is is contemplating charging faculty

1074
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,720
and staff for parking

1075
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,559
in an effort to reduce truck driving to

1076
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,000
campus. So

1077
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,880
>> is is there any Well, okay. I'm

1078
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,480
>> think BYU has thousands of parking

1079
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,640
spaces every day that go unused. They're

1080
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,270
all in university.

1081
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,520
» A lot of lot of capacity by the stadium

1082
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,160
for parking. But I have seen that fill

1083
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,520
up considerably over the years. Um,

1084
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,079
that's a thing that BYU kind of says to

1085
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,319
the city. Don't worry about parking.

1086
00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:51,599
Whenever they build a new building,

1087
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,119
don't worry about parking because we got

1088
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:55,440
plenty of it. Well, you do have plenty

1089
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,839
of it, just maybe not in the locations

1090
00:51:57,839 --> 00:51:59,920
where it's needed.

1091
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,400
>> So, for Center Street, this is all

1092
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,200
mostly all of this is state. So, we

1093
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,040
really can't do much about it. No,

1094
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,200
that's not true. We It's on the RTP.

1095
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,200
It's on our plan as well. And we are

1096
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,119
really been pushing hard for Geneva Road

1097
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,440
and Center Street to get fixed.

1098
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,359
>> So, we do when we do state projects. I

1099
00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:26,480
primarily work for UDOT projects. We

1100
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,480
generally have to follow whatever the

1101
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,960
local municipally master plan is. We

1102
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,559
can't just do whatever we want. The

1103
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:34,240
master plan for the city says there's a

1104
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,319
trail here. We put the trail in on the

1105
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:38,319
UD do property to make

1106
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:40,079
So if it's not on the city's master

1107
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,960
plan, then we do what's best for you do

1108
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,640
generally.

1109
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,280
>> So if this is sitting from you do

1110
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,559
perspective, this is sitting at 275%

1111
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,150
capacity.

1112
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,119
» Yeah. The 28,275

1113
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:59,760
capacity. Would they consider expanding

1114
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,920
center shoot?

1115
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,440
>> Yeah. And I' I've shared this

1116
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,160
information with them. When I found out

1117
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,920
I was looking at the traffic study for

1118
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,440
the apartment complex and I said, "Guys,

1119
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,359
we got a safety problem on Center Street

1120
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:16,640
between 16 between the interchange and

1121
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,800
2050." And I showed them this. They're

1122
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,160
aware of it.

1123
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,359
>> It's also important to note though that

1124
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:24,480
thing that's actually going to govern

1125
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,960
the design of these roads in these tight

1126
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,640
urban areas is the intersection level

1127
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,000
service, which is a different

1128
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,680
methodology. like the the center street

1129
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,319
to fifth west is a intersection design

1130
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:39,599
problem not a segment problem like the

1131
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,920
volumes are over 100% but the the

1132
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,240
intersection design level service is the

1133
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:45,760
thing you need to look at and even if

1134
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:46,240
you make

1135
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:47,760
>> talking about the freeway exchange or

1136
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:48,079
just

1137
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:49,520
>> no I'm talking about center street over

1138
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,000
to fist uh west that giant left turn

1139
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,400
lane that backs up two blocks every day

1140
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,920
uh that's an intersection issue not a

1141
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,240
road segment issue and even if you make

1142
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:01,040
Geneva road seven lane for if you make

1143
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,480
Geneva seven lanes, you make Center

1144
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,319
Street seven lanes west of the freeway,

1145
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:06,319
the signals at the interchange can't

1146
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:08,319
handle the additional volumes.

1147
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:12,240
>> So, one thought that

1148
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,480
couple of us had several years ago was

1149
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,480
why since Provo City Center

1150
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,760
drops the the speed and is really making

1151
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,079
that more of a pedestrian bike friendly

1152
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:25,920
area, which I'm I'm not opposed to at

1153
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,040
all. Why not push traffic up to that's a

1154
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,920
35 mile an hour road? Is there a way to

1155
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,319
design it that way? I think that would

1156
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:36,400
help with that situation because like

1157
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,280
you said, a lot of people go 500 west.

1158
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,920
They we still have 75% capacity in the

1159
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,319
downtown area, but it's more about that

1160
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:47,680
like you said, the interchange between

1161
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,359
Center Street.

1162
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:51,520
>> Yeah, we're certainly encouraging First

1163
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,920
North. Um it is a 35 mph road having a

1164
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,440
little faster speed 35 over 15. We think

1165
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,480
there would be a little bit better

1166
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,400
attraction.

1167
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,920
Um but um we we haven't seen a huge

1168
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,880
change. Uh what's going to change that

1169
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,319
eventually is going to have to be design

1170
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:15,589
and that's

1171
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:17,599
but that that's all I'm going to say.

1172
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:21,280
It's already acting at a very core level

1173
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,160
intersection level of service at the 500

1174
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,599
West and I'm

1175
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,640
working with UD do now where six west

1176
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,839
may not be a through street much longer

1177
00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:36,960
they experience raised median there we

1178
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,400
don't get people turning left there

1179
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,319
anyway maybe two for peak hour I don't

1180
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:44,079
even know how they can do it during peak

1181
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:46,960
hour safety hazard when they safety

1182
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,079
hazard and they do it. So, we're

1183
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:53,119
>> like 3700 North right before the signal

1184
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,040
there. We got a problem. And same thing

1185
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,599
with this one only. This is truly you do

1186
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:58,960
DOT's problem, but we're going to work

1187
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,240
with them.

1188
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,920
>> I I guess if I were to if I had all the

1189
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,000
money in the world and impacted nobody

1190
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,520
on a personal level, I would say reroute

1191
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,359
center street to go up to First North

1192
00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:12,960
and have the major intersection be at

1193
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,630
First North.

1194
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,160
Well, there you get east west problems

1195
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:24,950
too because first north ends at the old

1196
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,920
it doesn't go all the way

1197
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,599
>> and you have a res like there are four

1198
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:31,200
there are five blocks of it where it's

1199
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,520
effectively an arterial but every other

1200
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,079
part of it is a residential street

1201
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,400
>> at least turns

1202
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,480
>> so that's if we're talking about if

1203
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,000
we're talking about because if you got

1204
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,319
36,000 coming from the freeway to fifth

1205
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:46,400
north but you only have 18,000

1206
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,119
Half of that traffic is going north and

1207
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:49,760
south on

1208
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,040
>> That's right.

1209
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,200
>> So, why not make it easier to go north

1210
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,559
and south on Sith?

1211
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:55,680
>> There was a discussion a couple years

1212
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,280
ago, Vern, I think you were around for

1213
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,760
this about the city acquiring that

1214
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,760
grocery store and building a big S-curve

1215
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,920
into Center Street, right? And so then

1216
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,839
it would dump people off on first. The

1217
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:07,280
problem is where people really want to

1218
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,440
go is northbound off State Street. You

1219
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,240
still have a huge left turn problem.

1220
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,079
What would be sweet in my mind is if you

1221
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:16,960
did one frontage couplet, center street

1222
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,040
would be eastbound, first north would be

1223
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,880
westbound. They come together near the

1224
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,880
interchange. We do see that all the time

1225
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,319
and all the cities that have done that

1226
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:26,640
have tried to walk away from it because

1227
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,040
it's really bad for like local

1228
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,710
pedestrians.

1229
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,359
» A lot of cities did that in the 70s and

1230
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,760
every city that did it is trying to undo

1231
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,839
it now. One one way roads just have more

1232
00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:41,599
efficient intersections like for traffic

1233
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:44,079
movement if you ignore everything else.

1234
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:47,119
Sorry. But it becomes a car sewer and

1235
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:49,920
all the businesses die.

1236
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,880
>> Yeah. Ignore everything else. You move a

1237
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,359
lot of cars through but no one wants to

1238
00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:57,280
be around.

1239
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,160
>> Which one's better for the actress?

1240
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,079
>> Yeah. On the old east side.

1241
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,799
I I think what's archaic, even though

1242
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:10,880
it's new, is both of our interchanges.

1243
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,040
Both of them are

1244
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,440
peculiar in nature. They're not any

1245
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,720
standardized intersection interchange on

1246
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,680
the entire I-15. I8 is the worst

1247
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,079
designed interchange in the state. Like

1248
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,640
it's a death trap. It has terrible

1249
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,520
operational efficiency. Um the people

1250
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,559
who designed it should be ashamed.

1251
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:35,599
>> Well, it's not what I understand. So I

1252
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,520
was told that Provo forced that onto UD

1253
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,599
dot that Provo had a better design.

1254
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:40,799
People here complained it would turn

1255
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:42,559
into a raceway with what UD do wanted to

1256
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:43,920
do. So they put this in.

1257
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,920
>> Well, there's also an issue where the design that uh would be most

1258
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,640
efficient would have required closing

1259
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,359
that interchange for a year.

1260
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:55,440
Um because they they had to build the

1261
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,280
new interchange

1262
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,480
like they had to build the new

1263
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,640
interchange where the old one wasn't and

1264
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,720
they wanted to keep Center Street open

1265
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,599
across I-15 in the freeway during the

1266
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:09,599
construction. Uh and so that means that meant they had to move it down and

1267
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,599
that's why you get this weird displaced

1268
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:14,000
design. The the way to do it correctly

1269
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,240
would would have been to tear it down,

1270
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,400
close the whole road for a year and then

1271
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,200
open up a welldesigned energy. That was

1272
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,960
rejected.

1273
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,880
Okay. Can we send these? Yeah,

1274
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,160
>> I'll I'll get I'll send the PDF out to

1275
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,640
everybody. I'll make sure that gets done

1276
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,160
and uh I also like

1277
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,359
>> you guys can look at it and I think you

1278
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:39,440
guys could discuss more next meeting in

1279
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,680
June and I won't have to present in

1280
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,280
June. Um you guys could just any other

1281
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,040
items you want on the agenda other than

1282
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,200
east west connectivity. I think it's

1283
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,520
healthy discussion and I I know right

1284
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,640
now uh intuitively uh some of the

1285
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,839
engineers in the room have been looking

1286
00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:00,480
at this and discussing things and and

1287
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,240
even engineers have difference of

1288
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,000
opinions right so um I think it's

1289
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,319
healthy discussion

1290
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:13,200
but let's our our plans do have

1291
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,680
you know remedies for this we we are

1292
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,240
planning east west connectivity

1293
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,480
there's just only so much money and a

1294
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,480
lot of this is development driven where

1295
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,079
we just don't go out and build the road

1296
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,319
ourselves. Sometimes we do like like

1297
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:29,920
View Parkway, but um rarely does that

1298
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,079
often occur.

1299
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:34,000
>> So this is my encouragement to T-Mac

1300
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,240
members. Um

1301
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,640
he's going to send these out. Go through

1302
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,040
them if you can if you have time.

1303
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,040
did two or three highlights kind of want

1304
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,640
to bring up because for me the first

1305
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,319
things that highlighted to me was center

1306
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:51,359
street also the

1307
01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:53,920
around the temple those are kind of the

1308
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,079
two big highlights to me through these

1309
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:57,920
things but go through looking through

1310
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,599
look at your highlights we don't have

1311
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:02,640
much on the agenda for next month so we

1312
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,880
can just go through these slides one by

1313
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:10,079
one if we want to um yeah and I think

1314
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,440
this is going to be a very interesting

1315
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,040
discussion

1316
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:13,440
Yeah.

1317
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:13,760
>> Yes.

1318
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,079
>> I I do have a suggestion for a followup

1319
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:18,319
item for

1320
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:19,920
>> not too far in the future.

1321
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:20,319
>> Okay.

1322
01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:23,440
>> And that was last May we heard from the

1323
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,400
BYU students and faculty about the near

1324
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,520
misses by

1325
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,280
and near misses with

1326
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,440
cars. And the in that discussion, I

1327
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,640
remember talking about people trying to

1328
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,119
report near misses

1329
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:49,109
and and and people trying to report

1330
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:53,440
bicycle related incidents with cars and

1331
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,400
the system for doing that was not very

1332
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,400
functional and I remember some

1333
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,240
discussion about that. I don't know what

1334
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,720
the police department I I remember

1335
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,839
something vaguely about that, but

1336
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:09,599
>> I have a follow up on that. The police

1337
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:11,839
did hear that. They did make a change to

1338
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:14,559
make it easier reporting a non vehicular

1339
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:18,799
accident. Um but they're they are not

1340
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:21,119
counting near misses. No way to report a

1341
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,680
near miss.

1342
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,720
Okay. Now there is software out there

1343
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:31,440
and camera systems that do that. Um

1344
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,549
we have not invested in those systems.

1345
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:39,520
Would we have to build a data center to

1346
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:47,349
have enough?

1347
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:50,240
» Okay. Um really quick. I know we're like

1348
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,799
right almost at time, but uh Davis,

1349
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:54,720
could you just give us a real brief

1350
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,240
update on 820?

1351
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,920
>> So,

1352
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,839
we are on schedule. We're plann to open

1353
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:03,599
up July 4th um for the road.

1354
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:07,040
Uh the trail will remain closed for a

1355
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,640
number of weeks after that as we are

1356
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,040
getting a mural painted and the artist

1357
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,200
has requested kind of clean conditions

1358
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,039
and that can't happen really during

1359
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,440
construction. So, we're kind of doing it

1360
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,200
a two-phase opening, but the road will

1361
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,160
be opened um scheduled by the 4th of

1362
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:22,960
July.

1363
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:23,440
>> Yay.

1364
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,440
>> So, we can I can you can just get

1365
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,440
through these, but this is just kind of

1366
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,119
some updates. We've done some back

1367
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:32,319
filling. We've poured the deck. Um you

1368
01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:34,000
can just see as we go through, but we've

1369
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,280
made a lot of progress in the last

1370
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,680
month, and this next month, you'll see

1371
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,760
uh just as much progress here as we

1372
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,119
close out this project. So,

1373
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:44,640
>> it's all the visual progress. Mhm. T

1374
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,000
going to be lighted.

1375
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,680
>> H will the tunnel be lighted?

1376
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,750
>> Yes.

1377
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,680
» Oh yeah.

1378
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,280
>> Er, do we have much on the University

1379
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:56,559
Avenue bridge replacement?

1380
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:58,480
>> Uh, yeah, we have a couple of things.

1381
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,720
Uh, I don't know if I reported last

1382
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,599
month we were boring. We ran into an

1383
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,799
object. Um, started to go up a little

1384
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:10,000
bit. Um, they submitted a revised plan

1385
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,160
of the railroad. the railroad turned

1386
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,680
that one down. Surprise. Um, and then

1387
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,359
just a couple of things associated with

1388
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:20,160
that project. We're restriping, we've

1389
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,640
been, not us, but the contractors been

1390
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,240
restriping Lake View Parkway and and the

1391
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,880
State Street intersection all week.

1392
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:34,240
Sorry for the delays. Uh, but that's going to be so much better.

1393
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,440
You'll see it. It's just a a much better

1394
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,000
striping. and you won't see lines going

1395
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,440
everywhere. Which way? Also, just be

1396
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,039
prepared in the month of June.

1397
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:50,319
I don't even want to say this. Um, the

1398
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:52,240
southbound

1399
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,960
onramp to I-15 is going to be shut down

1400
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:00,319
at University Avenue. So, what you'll do

1401
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:01,920
instead of making that

1402
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,599
>> to southbound I5 or southbound to

1403
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:04,799
northbound I5?

1404
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:07,280
>> Southbound. Southbound. Southbound

1405
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,760
University Avenue to southbound I-15.

1406
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,079
Okay. So, you'll go to the traffic

1407
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:14,960
light. You'll make a right and then

1408
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,920
you'll make a left onto the ramp and

1409
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,599
that's going to be down for a month

1410
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:22,000
while they do pour new concrete on the

1411
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,319
slip ramp. Uh that's the little hook

1412
01:05:24,319 --> 01:05:25,839
ramp going northbound.

1413
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:26,799
>> Oh, man.

1414
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:31,750
>> So, just be aware

1415
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:32,559
of that.

1416
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:36,000
>> Has been like blasted out there. Joseph

1417
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,760
will be in charge of that. Joseph

1418
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,079
sitting back here

1419
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:46,069
will work together that out.

1420
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:48,319
» Well, good thing

1421
01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:49,760
we husband doesn't have to say that

1422
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:50,160
anymore.

1423
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:51,760
>> Okay. H Did you have anything?

1424
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,599
>> Uh we can discuss it next month.

1425
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:56,799
>> Next month. We're good. Okay.

1426
01:05:56,799 --> 01:05:58,079
>> Okay.

1427
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:00,720
>> Go go go over. Thank you. Go over the

1428
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,160
slides. See what you guys want to talk

1429
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,839
about next month. And next month it's

1430
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:05,920
June 11th

1431
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,680
since we moved it up a week for

1432
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,200
>> June. Did we decide we're not going to

1433
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,240
meet in July?

1434
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:13,520
>> So we're not meeting in July and

1435
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:14,480
December.

1436
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,480
>> We will meet in

1437
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:17,520
>> Thank you.

1438
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,799
>> Are you doing August?

1439
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:21,200
>> Yeah. I'll have my students come and do

1440
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:26,549
some stuff that we've been working on.

1441
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:27,359
» Good to see you.

1442
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:30,480
>> Yeah. That's