[4:04] Yeah, I don't interact with the
[4:06] development team much.
[4:07] >> Okay, channel 17, please start
[4:09] recording.
[4:15] » Thank you.
[4:17] >> Welcome. Welcome. this uh last week of
[4:20] school to T-Mac. And I I say that
[4:22] because I get to go straight home and
[4:24] you know steal kids on and the first getting to summer vacation. Um
[4:30] first we'd like to go around and
[4:32] introduce everybody. My name is Beth
[4:33] Province. I'm T-MAC Care.
[4:37] >> I'm Noah Gordon, member of T-Mac.
[4:39] >> I'm Ryan Kohler. Um
[4:42] contingent member of T-Mac sort of
[4:44] thing.
[4:46] Uh, I'm Emma and I'm thinking about
[4:49] joining.
[4:50] That's why I'm here.
[4:52] >> Ashley, public works
[4:56] member.
[4:58] >> David Keller
[5:00] from Golding, Provo City Development
[5:03] Services. And city development services
[5:07] also proving
[5:12] » Hey, Alan Shore Provo City Engineering.
[5:14] >> Excellent. Okay,
[5:17] >> online.
[5:18] >> Oh, there's two online. Could you go
[5:20] ahead and say your name? Oh, just one
[5:22] online.
[5:24] >> Everyone, I'm Joel Ta. I'm the planning
[5:26] commission liaison.
[5:28] >> Oh, awesome. Nice to meet you. Joel will
[5:31] be replacing Lisa in August since we
[5:34] don't meet in July and um we'll get him
[5:38] nominated and paperwork sent to the
[5:42] mayor's office and then they'll do the
[5:44] advising consent of uh him becoming a
[5:48] T-MAC member. So, he's joining us today
[5:51] from that perspective.
[5:52] >> Awesome. We look forward to seeing you
[5:54] face to face.
[5:57] Um, we just have one action item today
[5:59] to approve minutes from the April
[6:02] meeting. Uh, does anybody have any
[6:04] corrections or anything they like to
[6:05] make to the meeting notes?
[6:09] >> Excellent. Is who who all would like to
[6:14] those notes?
[6:16] >> I would like to, but since I did review
[6:18] them, I'm not going
[6:19] >> I was not here for the meeting. I
[6:24] » Thank you. And I I can second that,
[6:26] right?
[6:26] >> Yeah.
[6:27] >> Perfect. I will second that. I'll
[6:28] approve. Yay.
[6:31] >> Okay. We only have one major item on the
[6:34] agenda today, but it is a big and long
[6:37] one. Um we asked Vern to go ahead and
[6:39] pull a lot of numbers together about
[6:42] east west connectivity throughout Provo.
[6:45] And so we're going to hand it over to
[6:47] Vern to start us off.
[6:49] >> Okay. And I'll try to speak loud enough
[6:52] over the maruchi band or mariachi band
[6:54] next door.
[6:56] >> Okay. U everybody remembers uh
[7:02] see where the
[7:05] There we go.
[7:07] >> Um
[7:09] east west connectivity was a discussion
[7:13] topic and uh you guys asked me to put
[7:15] together a lot of information and we
[7:17] were able to do that.
[7:19] um the transportation master plan. So,
[7:21] we're going to talk about what each plan
[7:24] so says and we're going to look at the
[7:26] three plans and then we're going to kind
[7:28] of look at a few other things um with
[7:30] east west connectivity with uh level of
[7:33] service and what corridors are east west
[7:35] and what has been done and what yet
[7:37] needs to be done accomplished. So, uh
[7:41] the general plan these are all the
[7:43] references made to east west
[7:45] connectivity in the general plan. and
[7:47] see improve east west traffic flow. Uh
[7:50] look at signal timing to do reduce times
[7:54] uh for east west travel. Uh center
[7:57] street is the primary east west corridor
[7:59] for the city. It is one of those. Uh 600
[8:02] south from Lake View Parkway to 1100
[8:04] west will provide east west mobility.
[8:06] That's right out of a project uh
[8:08] description. and then 3,700 north to the
[8:11] east west connection uh across the north
[8:14] end of the city connecting MU High
[8:16] School, Edgemont Elementary
[8:19] and it goes into Forum's 800 South uh
[8:23] corridor to the west. So that was all
[8:27] the references to the general plan.
[8:29] Let's or to the um transportation master
[8:32] plan. Let's look and see what was in the
[8:34] general plan.
[8:39] » Was there one at the bottom?
[8:41] >> Yeah. Okay. When Let's see if I can make
[8:44] this the right size here if I can.
[8:52] » Right up here.
[8:54] >> I got it.
[8:56] >> See if that helps. One more maybe.
[9:00] There we go. Okay. So,
[9:03] uh, the last one was connection of 500
[9:06] north from 700 east to 900 east at 450.
[9:09] So, that's been on our plan for 30
[9:11] years, built through the colony there,
[9:14] connect 500 uh at 700 East, connect over
[9:18] there to 900 East at 450 North. So,
[9:22] that's an important east west
[9:23] connectivity as well. Um,
[9:32] Okay, let's go up this way. Uh, general
[9:35] plan references
[9:37] talks about I-15, the railroad tracks
[9:40] and BRT actually being a little bit of a
[9:43] barrier to east west traffic. um those
[9:47] uh run through the city and I'm just you
[9:50] know the the plan actually says Frontr
[9:52] Runner and UVX but let me just say
[9:55] railroad tracks BRT system and I-15 all
[9:59] act as barriers uh to east west mobility
[10:04] uh references bike walk and transit gaps
[10:07] especially for east west connectivity
[10:09] because of those barriers um east west
[10:12] connectivity has been made especially
[10:14] difficult by the train tracks
[10:16] I-15 corridor and limited flow at the
[10:18] few crossings and of course we're aware
[10:20] of that.
[10:22] Uh page 63 encourage connections to
[10:25] increase east west mobility explore the
[10:28] visibility of an active transportation
[10:30] facility from east to west across I-15.
[10:34] So that's what the general plan
[10:35] references.
[10:37] Let's go to the consery and resiliency
[10:41] plan. East West references mentions
[10:43] synchronization of traffic signals uh
[10:46] could reduce idling and then streaming
[10:49] streamlining bottlenecks at east west
[10:52] connector. So looking at that as well.
[10:54] So that's what's in our plan. We I think
[10:58] the city and all our policies are very
[11:00] much aware of east west connectivity and
[11:03] the east west uh requirements.
[11:07] So what has been done?
[11:11] Uh major completed east west connections
[11:14] Foothill Drive to 4800 North which leads
[11:17] to uh Center Street in Orum. Uh that
[11:21] particular arterial was completed in
[11:23] 2007
[11:25] 500 west under I-15. Now, you're going
[11:28] to say that's not an east west
[11:29] connection, but what I'm bringing up
[11:31] here is this is kind of a it runs north
[11:34] and south, but it is east west
[11:36] connectivity because it gets across the
[11:38] interstate, right?
[11:39] >> Crosses the major
[11:40] >> crosses I-15. So, that was done in 2012.
[11:44] Lake View Parkway to 500 West, that
[11:46] arterial and connection uh to I-15 was
[11:50] done in 2016, so fairly recent. And then
[11:53] 2,000 north from Lake View Parkway was
[11:56] done last year that connects to Geneva
[11:59] Road which then connects under uh I-15
[12:02] and across the railroad tracks around
[12:04] 2000 um north Provo 2000 South Orum
[12:10] where it crosses the first set of
[12:12] railroad tracks. You leave Provo, you go
[12:14] into Oram. The second set of railroad
[12:17] tracks is all the way into ORM. And of
[12:19] course under I-15 and the roundabout at
[12:21] Sand Hill Road is Warm. So when you
[12:25] think about this for just a second,
[12:29] our westiders
[12:30] who live west of I-15
[12:34] really only had three connections that
[12:37] were in Provo before these two were
[12:40] done. That was Center Street, 920 and
[12:45] South and 820 North. Those were the only
[12:47] three connections. With the rebuild of
[12:50] I-15, 500 West was able to get in. And
[12:54] then Lake View Parkway, that road has
[12:58] been uh completed now all the way
[13:01] through. It's completed all the way
[13:04] around. So, for whatever reason, uh,
[13:08] looks like we're getting the second half
[13:10] of our order here. So, feel free to go
[13:13] and grab what you want. Um,
[13:18] okay. So, let's talk about our major and
[13:19] local street plan. What does it have on
[13:21] it? And identify for future connections.
[13:25] Well, the 1680 1730 north. I'm going to
[13:29] try to show where this is at. Goes right
[13:33] over here. So that would connect to
[13:38] Geneva Road and go up and over or down
[13:41] and under I-15 and connect 1730 at Sand
[13:45] Hill Road on the other side east side of
[13:47] I-15. So that's an arterial a minor
[13:50] arterial that's planned to go over the
[13:52] railroad.
[13:54] >> So it has some engineering challenges
[13:57] with the both sets of railroad tracks
[13:59] being very close to I-15. Whether that
[14:03] it it probably have to be a full bridge
[14:05] structure all the way over all
[14:07] >> you probably have to end Sand Hill Road
[14:10] start bridge up at the top of the hill
[14:13] without a doubt
[14:15] it has some some challenges 1680 north
[14:19] uh from Geneva Road to Lake View
[14:21] Parkway. Uh this is a collector that is
[14:23] in the Ivory Homes development called
[14:26] Broadview Shores that will be connected
[14:27] and completed as well. 500 north, 450
[14:31] north. We just talked about that from
[14:33] 7th east to 9 east. Um when
[14:36] redevelopment of the colony occurs, uh
[14:39] we are looking at working with the
[14:42] property owners that uh have some
[14:44] commercial establishments there on night
[14:47] that would connect to 450.
[14:49] That would be a a a beneficial arterial
[14:52] as well. Minor arterial 200 north uh
[14:56] from 700 east to 750 east. Let me show
[14:59] where that's at. It's a little hard, but
[15:02] um what this does, it would get
[15:06] um access to 800 East
[15:11] um which would be great for bicyclists
[15:13] along the 200 North corridor. It's a low
[15:17] volume road. And uh I think you'll be
[15:20] hearing from us more about 200 North
[15:23] versus 300 North as a east west bikeway.
[15:28] 560 south from Epic Lane to Lake View
[15:31] Parkway. Now that extends right here and
[15:34] you can see it where it would extend
[15:37] from
[15:39] uh currently I believe it's at what 1100
[15:43] maybe 1,600
[15:46] not at 2050 I don't think yet at the
[15:48] road but it will extend
[15:51] then um 1150 south uh from 1600 west to
[15:56] Epic Lane that's down here uh we have
[16:00] subdivisions that are already coming in
[16:02] and showing some some type of
[16:05] connectivity there. And then 1560 south
[16:08] from 1100 west to 1600 west and
[16:11] connecting that. So our transportation
[16:13] master plan does show uh east west
[16:16] connectivity for future collectors and
[16:18] our
[16:20] >> uh this may be the plan.
[16:23] What's the status of the 900?
[16:28] So tell me
[16:29] >> we're gonna talk about that. We're going
[16:30] to talk about that. Yeah. Okay. Let's move on to MAGS RTV. And this is
[16:36] where we kind of get to talk about that.
[16:38] So new major east west streets that have
[16:41] been identified for future connection in
[16:44] MAGS draft 2055 regional transportation
[16:49] plan. We all had a really good
[16:51] presentation from Bob Allen. Was that
[16:53] January of this year or I don't know
[16:55] when it was but we had a really good
[16:57] presentation for MAG talked about the
[16:59] regional transportation plan. Um well
[17:03] the first one is 1680 to 1730.
[17:07] Um that one is that one's still on
[17:11] there.
[17:12] >> How long has that one been on there?
[17:15] >> A long time. I'd have to go back and
[17:17] look at the two previous transportation
[17:20] master plans, but it's been there I
[17:21] think for the at least the previous one.
[17:24] I don't know about the 2000, but it
[17:27] certainly was for the 2013.
[17:30] >> I had heard
[17:32] that when freeway would be rebuilt for
[17:36] the first Olympics
[17:41] and there was many many drafts of things
[17:43] to do just kind of swiveled at that
[17:45] point.
[17:46] Well, they had a whole collector
[17:48] distributor system that went from about
[17:49] Provo Center Street up to about 1730s,
[17:54] you know, 1460 somewhere around there.
[17:56] Um, but they selected design build
[18:00] contractor and that all went out the
[18:03] window. And what they were able to do is
[18:06] convince the DOT that if we don't build
[18:10] a collector distributor system, we can
[18:12] widen the road all the way down the
[18:14] Spanish Fork. That's what they did.
[18:17] >> So they lost the collector distributor
[18:20] system and the frontage roads a problem.
[18:23] >> And that's not something
[18:27] that
[18:28] >> it's it's not being proposed in the new
[18:31] R uh 2055 RTP. Let me just say it that
[18:34] way. It's still an idea or concept out
[18:37] there.
[18:38] >> Um,
[18:40] >> not like closing myself up. I'm cool.
[18:42] >> Ryan, did you have any personal
[18:45] knowledge of any personal knowledge, but
[18:48] I do like the CD system that was there
[18:50] and
[18:52] I kind of I've heard a lot of things in
[18:54] the industry that the design builder
[18:56] that won the job definitely didn't do
[18:58] any services to the local cities.
[19:01] um that the alternative could have been
[19:03] better for local development.
[19:07] >> No, you're exactly right. And and I
[19:10] think they really uh cater to the DOT and not
[19:14] to the partnering cities and tax. Yeah,
[19:18] >> I was
[19:20] >> um we still talked about the 500 north.
[19:22] We just talked about that. 700 East to
[19:24] 900 East, that's in their plan. 900
[19:27] South, grade separation. This is this is
[19:29] the one Craig that we're talking about.
[19:33] Um goes from 350 East over to 7th east.
[19:36] So basically
[19:38] >> from the
[19:41] >> Yeah, I would connect to State Street
[19:42] over there. Come down by the cemetery.
[19:45] Um and come down right before 350 here
[19:48] by the Food and Care Coalition.
[19:50] >> Hey, can we come back up? I know you
[19:52] just talked about 500 north, but the one
[19:54] above that is 500 north
[19:57] over under the railroad track.
[19:59] >> Uh 500 North uh to 620. U yeah, thank
[20:04] you. I skipped that one.
[20:06] >> This is completely new. This is not in
[20:08] Provo's transportation master plan. Um
[20:11] I'll show it to you in a little bit
[20:12] here, but this um this is a strange one.
[20:17] It would have to go up and over I-15,
[20:20] two sets of railroad tracks, the Provo
[20:22] River, and come in somewhere around
[20:25] destroying Fort Utah Park. I I don't
[20:29] know that people have thought that one
[20:31] through. Um, it's
[20:33] >> Fort
[20:36] Utah.
[20:38] >> Well, on the south side of the river,
[20:39] >> it's on the south side of the river.
[20:41] might come in right right on the north
[20:43] side, but it kind of it hits 620, which
[20:47] is
[20:48] >> you would either have to go it would
[20:50] you'd either have to take out like
[20:52] >> a bunch of you could you could work the
[20:54] bike trail, but you'd have to take out a
[20:56] bunch of houses in that neighborhood
[20:58] >> or
[21:00] like build it over the river, which I
[21:02] think would be
[21:03] >> I think the first one came in the first
[21:05] one came in right up for Utah Park. It
[21:07] wasn't far enough north, so they
[21:09] extended that to go up to 620. So when
[21:12] this goes out for public comment,
[21:16] >> uh you the when the RTP goes out for
[21:19] public comment by MAG and it will be
[21:21] toward uh the beginning of next year
[21:24] around January. uh we need to certainly
[21:27] get a recommendation from T-Mac and
[21:30] you're individually as residents of
[21:33] Provo you or Utah County you share
[21:36] whatever you want with them lies a lot
[21:39] of input okay
[21:41] >> so I I'm gonna and this is speculation
[21:44] but would this be something to
[21:48] lay a foundation for a
[21:52] » uh probably not right there. A little
[21:55] too close to the
[22:02] » but part of a CD system.
[22:05] >> Yeah. If it were a CD system, a
[22:07] collector distributor system, then that
[22:09] could work. Yeah.
[22:11] >> Okay.
[22:12] >> But that's not being proposed on the
[22:14] 2055 RTP. And then once and for all Utah
[22:19] Lake crossing from Pelican Point to the
[22:21] east side of Utah Lake.
[22:23] It right now they're showing it anywhere
[22:26] from 2000 North in Provo, Center Street
[22:29] in Provo. Um if you haven't heard it, um
[22:33] UD do is doing a major PEL study which
[22:36] is planning the environmental linkage
[22:38] study. They did meet with the
[22:40] administration and me
[22:43] earlier this week. um they six months
[22:46] into the study it will take two and a
[22:48] half years they have two years what I
[22:52] think Provo's concerns were this as we
[22:55] shared with the team
[22:57] um I believe Avenue is doing that right
[23:00] Ryan
[23:00] >> Avenue is doing that yeah
[23:02] >> so what we shared with Avenue
[23:04] consultants UD do's selected contractor
[23:06] for this was that
[23:09] we want to know once and for all
[23:12] is this feasible or not because if It's
[23:15] not feasible. Then we need to plan 10
[23:17] other projects that will somehow provide
[23:22] the access and the road widths and the
[23:25] transit and everything else that goes
[23:27] along with it. Otherwise, if you're just
[23:30] putting all your money into one idea and
[23:33] it doesn't ever happen, we got more
[23:35] congestion in the valley. Okay. So,
[23:38] that's kind of what we told them.
[23:43] that bridge.
[23:45] >> Sometimes the concepts are just studied
[23:47] to see what would happen because you
[23:48] don't know until you know like I'm doing
[23:50] a con like a feasibility study to put a
[23:53] cable stay structure over Lake Powell
[23:55] right now $600 million to put a bridge
[23:58] in the middle of nowhere
[23:59] >> but we don't know if it's what it looks
[24:02] like until we know what it looks like.
[24:04] >> This this study will look at a whole
[24:06] bunch of different alternatives. I mean,
[24:08] they'll look at fairies, they'll look at
[24:10] floating bridges, they'll look at spam
[24:12] bridges, they'll look at causeways,
[24:13] they'll look at, hey, we're going to
[24:16] know once and for all in a couple years,
[24:17] right? And that it either stays on the
[24:19] plan or it disappears for good. At least
[24:22] that's what I'm hoping. Okay.
[24:25] So existing east west widening project
[24:28] and magsdraft plan for two projects that
[24:31] are still on there are 2200 north um
[24:34] from Canyon Road to Stadium Avenue and
[24:36] also the 820 North corridor from Geneva
[24:39] Road to University Avenue. Those haven't
[24:41] changed. Those are still on our plan and
[24:43] they're still on the RTP's draft plan.
[24:47] Okay.
[24:52] Now we want to talk a little bit about
[24:55] level of service. Uh it can refer to an
[24:58] intersection or a corridor. What we're
[25:01] going to talk about today is more
[25:02] associated with the corridor level of
[25:04] service by segment instead of an
[25:08] intersection level of service. Um level
[25:11] of service B is what we design and what
[25:14] is acceptable in the state of Utah.
[25:18] That's just what it is in urban areas.
[25:22] In rural areas,
[25:24] uh, they design and what's acceptable in
[25:26] rural areas is level service C. It's a
[25:29] little bit better level of service, but
[25:30] they they have lesser population. They
[25:33] actually have, um, per capita more
[25:35] vehicle miles traveled in rural areas
[25:37] because they have to travel longer
[25:39] distances to school, to doctor's,
[25:42] appointments, to those things. Um,
[25:44] shopping even. Um so what we're going to
[25:47] talk a little bit about today is the
[25:49] level of service D for RPM peak hour
[25:53] here based upon daily traffic volumes.
[25:56] Uh capacity can roadway capacity can be
[26:00] varies
[26:02] by the number of lanes. It varies by the
[26:04] number of driveways or the number of
[26:06] public streets accessing it. Uh even
[26:09] traffic signal spacing and timing
[26:11] affects corridor level service. So you
[26:15] can kind of see up there it's like a
[26:17] report card right
[26:19] >> you should not interpret it as a report
[26:20] card the number one thing I teach
[26:23] >> okay
[26:23] >> it is not a card do not
[26:26] >> so level of service C means you have the
[26:29] least traffic delay level of service E
[26:32] means you are using the the
[26:34] infrastructure most efficiently you're
[26:37] operating more services closer to their
[26:39] capacity
[26:40] >> and and I I think that's a really good
[26:42] observation
[26:44] Um, however, um,
[26:47] that's why we designed to the level of
[26:49] service D, okay? Is to maximize,
[26:53] um, you you you don't want a roadway
[26:55] that's 200 ft wide and eight lanes
[26:57] across, right? Um, it's that no one's
[27:01] going to be using it half the time. You
[27:03] want to be efficient with the public's
[27:05] money and you also going to breezy
[27:09] expect to put up with some delay. No,
[27:12] the the number one mistake that people
[27:14] made when they developed level of
[27:15] service is give it letter grades. Yeah,
[27:17] >> it should not be interpreted as a report
[27:19] card. We've known this for decades, but
[27:21] it's so impossible not to look at that
[27:23] and say A's are better than like they're
[27:25] not,
[27:26] >> right? And that's why I started off with the level service D and what we
[27:31] designed for. But for a layman or lay
[27:34] person,
[27:36] you can look at it as a report card.
[27:38] Okay. Again, I reject
[27:41] you should not interpret it as a report
[27:43] card.
[27:44] >> It's tricky because everything has a
[27:46] lifetime, right? So, you're shooting for
[27:47] optimal lifetime utilization. So, when
[27:50] you first build, it might be
[27:51] underutilized.
[27:52] >> That's right.
[27:54] >> 20 years down the road, it might be
[27:55] failing again. So, when you see things
[27:58] built, it's not like we're building for
[27:59] today. Usually, it's sometime in the
[28:01] future. There's usually a target year
[28:02] that we designed to.
[28:04] >> I I think that's a really good point.
[28:06] um you get a new road and you're going
[28:08] to see just that on Lake View Parkway
[28:10] when I get down to it, right? You're
[28:12] going to see this new facility and
[28:13] you're going to say, "No one's using
[28:15] it." It's not the case necessarily, but
[28:18] uh okay, I'm going to try to blow this
[28:20] up just a little bit so you can see the
[28:22] numbers here.
[28:24] Um let's start off with 4800 North and
[28:27] Foothill Drive. So, this is Foothill
[28:30] Drive coming down off the mountain. Uh
[28:32] this is one of the roads that we got
[28:34] built here and connected next to 4,800
[28:37] north. Um these are segments. So each
[28:40] segment that you see here, we were able
[28:42] to pull up the volume and the percentage
[28:47] of that capacity being utilized for
[28:50] level of service D. It's not the
[28:52] physical capacity of the road. So it's
[28:55] not level of service C like you would
[28:56] find on a a rural area, but it's level
[29:00] of service D. So when we look at this
[29:03] 21,000 vehicles between this segment and
[29:06] this segment, we're looking at about 64,
[29:09] if I'm reading that correctly, 64% uh
[29:12] capacity of a level of service D. So
[29:15] there's, you know, it might be busy, but
[29:18] it's it's not not uh not that busy,
[29:23] right?
[29:23] >> Yeah. You could add you could add 10,000
[29:26] cars per day to it and it would still be
[29:28] level service.
[29:30] So, this next segment 14,000, you see
[29:33] it's at 42%.
[29:35] Now, remember how I talked about lane
[29:37] sizes and lane widths or not lane widths
[29:40] necessarily, but lane number of lanes.
[29:42] Um, it does drop down here and so I have
[29:45] to use a different calculation to
[29:47] calculate these roadway segments. So,
[29:51] this newer road that we built a few
[29:53] years back is about 30% capacity for a
[29:57] level service D. It's got 5,400 vehicles
[30:01] that use it on a daily basis. Um,
[30:05] this segment 3,300. So, it drops down at
[30:08] 18% and then it climbs a little bit
[30:10] 3,500 vehicles per day on Foothill.
[30:15] So, we're going to go through each one
[30:16] of these east west because that's what I
[30:19] was requested to provide information.
[30:21] >> Thank you.
[30:22] >> And then you guys get to uh certainly do
[30:25] some discussion here for the rest of the
[30:27] day. Let me zoom in on this one. Okay.
[30:29] 3700 North. Uh I believe this connects
[30:33] to 8 South in Orum
[30:34] >> and this goes by
[30:37] >> and yeah, it hits Temp High School and
[30:39] Edgemont
[30:40] Elementary School. Um Will's Pit Stop is
[30:44] here to orient you. Uh so we're about
[30:47] 83% on this segment. Um, we have a major
[30:51] safety problem right here and we're
[30:52] going to be doing something at Edgewood
[30:54] Drive in the next year or less if we
[30:58] can. Um, but we are Dave's already
[31:03] designed a draft for us and we're going
[31:04] to look at improving the safety of that
[31:07] intersection. This segment's about 89%.
[31:11] So, what happens is is there's a lot of
[31:14] vehicles that use this segment here.
[31:16] you're at 60%, you drop down to 60%
[31:19] here. And then, you know, Quell Valley,
[31:23] you know, it's just not that busy.
[31:27] Let's go down to the next one.
[31:29] University Parkway. Now, you're asking,
[31:32] is that a north south road or east west?
[31:34] It is east west.
[31:35] >> It's it's it's the diagonal,
[31:37] >> right? It's the diagonal. The old
[31:39] diagonal as we called it. Um, so now
[31:42] when I show this up here at 103%,
[31:45] that means it's 103% of level of service
[31:48] D capacity, which means it really is a
[31:52] level of service E. Everybody's been
[31:54] there, right?
[31:56] Get down here a little bit better. Um,
[31:59] 75%,
[32:00] 88%, it gets busier. Uh, where we at
[32:04] here? 90%.
[32:06] Um, Voden, what's this number? 61. Okay.
[32:10] And so 92 if I remember correctly over
[32:12] here by the stadium and then uh what's
[32:15] that 63
[32:18] so that is that is Parkway and um
[32:22] there are some very busy park parts of
[32:25] Parkway and the further west you get the
[32:27] worse it is right everybody's been up to
[32:31] or
[32:34] 2230 north uh this connects to
[32:37] University Parkway and to our 9 east. Uh
[32:40] we're at 65% between this segment here,
[32:44] 67% between University Avenue and Canyon
[32:47] Road at 111%.
[32:50] Uh now I wanted to tell you the two
[32:54] numbers here. This is a number that's
[32:57] extrapolated using U dot numbers. This
[33:00] is U dot numbers. When you see an
[33:02] asterisk, that is Provo City's actual
[33:05] counts. Okay? So they're off by 2,000
[33:08] here because I counted this in January
[33:11] at 17,000 and it's probably a little low
[33:14] because that time of year seasonal
[33:16] fluctuation. Um but when you look at
[33:19] that uh during PMP peak hour it's
[33:22] certainly over level of service D and
[33:25] we're into E.
[33:27] As you pull around here on 9 east you're
[33:30] going to see traffic increase. The drop
[33:33] off is at Temp View or Tempview Drive.
[33:37] I lost my mouse. And that's around 85%
[33:40] along 9 east. So, it's a busy facility.
[33:45] Everybody knows it's busy facility. Um,
[33:48] and it's only getting
[33:51] busy now. Didn't you do something last
[33:54] summer? Didn't you do some traffic
[33:56] counts on there last summer on 19?
[33:57] >> We did. Yeah, we did some traffic counts
[33:59] on 9 east over by the church building
[34:00] south of University.
[34:01] >> Okay.
[34:03] >> We didn't analyze this at all. If you
[34:04] want the data, I can share it.
[34:06] >> Yeah, I'd love love love to see that.
[34:07] >> I mean, it was it was kind of an
[34:08] interesting time because it was when
[34:10] that stretch of 900 East was closed.
[34:13] >> Uh was the stretch between the the MTC
[34:17] and the and the temple was was shut.
[34:19] >> Oh, yeah.
[34:20] >> So, volumes may have been lower.
[34:23] >> Yeah.
[34:27] » Temple reopens, what do you expect these
[34:30] volumes to increase by? I don't know how
[34:33] much they're going to increase, but I
[34:36] know I'm going to have to do a signal
[34:37] warrant analysis on North Temple and 9
[34:40] East.
[34:42] I've already promised that to the
[34:43] neighborhood.
[34:44] So, and I won't do it in house. That one
[34:47] I'll actually hire a consultant to do
[34:49] because
[34:51] I want to make sure everybody's
[34:53] trustworthy. A little tricky though
[34:55] because the old temple district
[35:06] uh 820 north. Uh let's look at the
[35:08] volumes there. Uh I'm going to make this
[35:11] just a little bit bigger so I can see
[35:12] it. Okay, so this segment, please note
[35:16] that this segment's only a couple lanes.
[35:19] And so when I say it's 86% of level
[35:22] service D capacity and then it drops
[35:24] down here to 37, that's because we get
[35:27] to three lanes here. Uh we get over here
[35:30] west, I'm sorry, east of uh State
[35:33] Street, it goes back up to 89%.
[35:36] And then what we're looking 70 there uh
[35:40] west of uh between Freedom and and
[35:45] University Avenue and then 64%
[35:49] east of uh University Avenue.
[35:52] >> What what methodology did you use to
[35:53] determine the level of service?
[35:56] Um I you
[35:57] >> not not the level of service but the the capacity uh for the because yeah
[36:02] there's no turn lane on that section of
[36:03] 820 north but there also no driveways to
[36:05] turn left into. So it's strange that
[36:07] your level of service capacity would be
[36:09] so sensitive to that.
[36:11] >> It's sensitive to lanes and it's
[36:13] sensitive to the spacing of traffic
[36:15] signals. So it's either less than or
[36:18] greater than half mile segments. And I
[36:21] can show you what I use. I use UD do
[36:24] approved
[36:25] um
[36:27] uh level of service capacities for CDME.
[36:31] Uh that's what I use. Okay. So is that based on high capacity manual
[36:35] methodology or
[36:36] >> Yeah. Highway capacity methodology for
[36:39] urban, suburban and rural areas. I this
[36:42] is urban area. So
[36:43] >> when were these numbers?
[36:46] >> These are Thank you. 2024.
[36:49] So they're a couple years old.
[36:52] This combination of and
[36:55] >> this is AAD. So this is daily traffic
[36:58] volumes.
[37:00] >> The level service will fluctuate during
[37:02] the day.
[37:04] >> I guess as I'm seeing all the numbers,
[37:06] I'm really curious each section has
[37:08] different volumes and where are they
[37:10] going from?
[37:12] Well, in this case, it's it's not a
[37:14] difference in the there's some
[37:15] difference in the volume, but mostly the
[37:17] difference between the 86% and the 37%
[37:20] is you're using a different inputs to
[37:22] this level of service formula. So, it's
[37:24] not that the volume is changing by that
[37:26] much. It's that the data the design data
[37:29] makes the level of service the the
[37:32] capacity at which you reach level of
[37:34] service be much higher.
[37:39] And there are a number of reasons
[37:40] vehicles crammed together there on the west side. You've got the Freedom
[37:43] Academy there, the Liberty, whatever.
[37:45] There's a lot of vehicles stack up when
[37:48] those kids are getting in and out.
[37:49] You've got the railroad crossing there.
[37:51] A lot of people going to, you know, the
[37:53] high school or something, get to sit
[37:54] there and wait for a train or they're
[37:56] coming back, get to sit there and wait
[37:57] for the trains. There just a lot of
[37:59] reasons people jam up near the freeway.
[38:02] That's right. the level of service
[38:03] decapacity
[38:05] >> the level of service decapacity over by
[38:07] the freeway is like 11,000
[38:10] uh but then you drop 3,000 because of
[38:12] all the freedom prep provoc
[38:14] onto gramby right so the volume goes
[38:16] down by by 3,000 but the level of
[38:18] service D volume jumps up to 16,000 in
[38:21] that segment
[38:23] >> because of the extra space and the nose
[38:25] traffic signals and the turn lane and
[38:27] all those other things. So that's
[38:30] >> when it goes past 500
[38:36] » the volume goes up.
[38:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why.
[38:40] >> And also be aware of the length of the
[38:41] segments. Um so this is a pretty small
[38:44] segment from Independence over to Geneva
[38:46] Road. This is a much larger segment from
[38:48] Independence all the way over to 500.
[38:55] Okay. Which one is this one? This one is
[38:58] 500 North. So you can see 500 North. Um
[39:03] it's got a lot of capacity still
[39:05] remaining at it. It's been busy,
[39:08] very very busy because it's been our
[39:10] detour route for the bridge being out at
[39:13] 820. So that doesn't reflect today's
[39:17] numbers. Okay, this is 2024 numbers. As
[39:21] you get closer, I think everybody
[39:23] realizes how important 500 North is to
[39:25] Provo City.
[39:27] And um you get over here by the by the
[39:31] rec center and you're going to see
[39:33] higher capacity. We are replacing that
[39:35] signal there this year. Um and then when
[39:39] you get um east of that University
[39:42] Avenue
[39:44] number was 11,000. Okay. I didn't
[39:48] believe it and I still don't believe it.
[39:50] And so we had numbers where we just did
[39:53] a Khan did a new traffic signal at
[39:56] northeast and 500 north and this was our
[39:59] traffic volume counts. Okay.
[40:01] >> Well, you should use UDA's numbers when
[40:03] you're doing signal war analysis. You
[40:05] should do pro.
[40:10] » So anyway, this this show's a little
[40:12] off, right? I mean that's that's pretty
[40:15] far off.
[40:15] >> Well, they probably measured it right at
[40:16] the library. Yeah, they could have these
[40:19] segments, you know, they measure the
[40:21] whole segment. So, you're right. They
[40:22] could have measured it right at the
[40:24] library.
[40:25] Okay, let's go to the next one. This is
[40:28] 200. Um, I don't believe this either.
[40:31] Uh, a thousand vehicles on uh on 200
[40:35] North. If that's the case, best kept
[40:38] secret in Provo for East West Mobility
[40:41] is 200 North.
[40:42] >> I go 200 all the time.
[40:45] And let's just keep that secret. Yeah,
[40:47] keep that secret
[40:49] meeting.
[40:53] » Let's look at 200 north.
[40:56] >> Yeah, I have seen the difference
[40:58] >> especially with BRT.
[41:01] >> Yeah,
[41:02] >> you've seen an increase in traffic.
[41:05] >> Tremendous.
[41:05] >> Because David lives right on 200. He
[41:07] fronts 200 north on the south side.
[41:10] So if we are cutting off
[41:13] >> Yeah, there's that's about the only you
[41:15] can cross university at
[41:19] >> center, first north, second north, fifth
[41:22] north
[41:24] and what is it? Seven store
[41:30] » third and fourth third fourth and sixth.
[41:36] » Okay. Center street will go again from
[41:38] west to east. Uh we got out here Lake
[41:41] View Parkway. Actually it's Lakeshore
[41:43] Drive is this segment out to the harbor. Um 15% it's all
[41:51] concerns there. When people say how busy
[41:54] Center Street is, it is very, very busy.
[41:57] Um, we look at 5100. We just did some,
[42:01] we just added bike lanes and uh this
[42:04] section was just uh re completely
[42:06] reconstructed.
[42:08] So, um, David was able to uh get us bike
[42:13] lanes on the south side. We had them on
[42:15] the north side, just didn't have room on
[42:17] the south side. Future development is
[42:19] going to push that where we'll get curb
[42:20] and gutter soon.
[42:23] Okay, moving over here. This is an
[42:26] interesting thing. Um, UD do said they
[42:29] had 18,000 vehicles, which is 275%
[42:33] of a level service D, which means it's
[42:35] pretty much failing. Okay, during PMP,
[42:39] um, our counts are a little bit
[42:41] different. Um,
[42:45] » had 28,000.
[42:46] >> 28,000.
[42:47] >> Oh, it's 28,000. Thank you. My eyes are
[42:49] bad. 185 I believe. Now the reason for the
[42:55] two different ones there is I calculated
[43:01] this one out at its current two-lane
[43:04] configuration. It will be restriped this
[43:07] summer to a three-lane facility. You got
[43:10] once that apartment complex is built
[43:12] that will be striped from 1600 west to
[43:15] Geneva Road to a three-lane facility and
[43:18] then it's still 137% capacity of a level
[43:23] service D. Okay, it will improve
[43:27] but it's still going to be a level
[43:28] service
[43:28] >> without the department going in. So,
[43:32] >> okay. uh 109%
[43:35] uh I don't think this surprises anybody
[43:37] that we have 36,000 vehicles coming off
[43:40] of uh I-15 on Center Street. Uh a lot of
[43:44] them turn, but some continue center
[43:48] street itself. It's a little peculiar. I
[43:51] did calculate this out at four lanes. Um
[43:54] there are four lanes. They're very
[43:55] small, nine nine and a half foot width
[43:57] lanes, but uh we do have a lot of
[44:00] traffic signals. So that's at 75%
[44:03] capacity with 18,000.
[44:06] My I hadn't gone out there and counted.
[44:09] We haven't done our data there, but I
[44:11] suspect we're closer to 20,000 on that
[44:15] segment. Drops down to 11,000 when you
[44:18] get east. And then there's a little
[44:20] segment here between 9th and
[44:24] 1080 or something like that.
[44:25] >> Seventh and nth.
[44:26] >> Seventh and ninth. Thank you. It is
[44:28] seventh and ninth. 64 and then I get
[44:31] down to 39 when I guess east of 9 east.
[44:35] Um what we learned was the state
[44:38] hospital produces a lot more trips than
[44:40] we thought.
[44:43] Obviously not by patients but by support
[44:45] staff and
[44:47] all the the freight deliveries that need
[44:49] to be there to support the population
[44:51] that's there. Plus six Grisby Golf.
[44:57] It draws people from everywhere.
[44:59] >> Really?
[45:00] >> Every once in a while you get to go to
[45:02] the castle.
[45:03] >> What was that?
[45:04] >> The castle.
[45:04] >> Oh yes.
[45:05] >> What are your What are your October?
[45:07] >> Are they still doing the haunted castle?
[45:11] >> I remember doing that years ago. I
[45:13] didn't know they still have it. Okay,
[45:16] let's let's go down and talk Lake View
[45:19] Parkway for just a second. This is a new
[45:22] facility, right? This is exactly what
[45:24] Ryan was kind of talking about. Uh
[45:26] there's excess capacity built to
[45:28] accommodate capacity up to the design
[45:30] year. David, do you remember the design
[45:32] year? 2045 or 2050? I think it was 2050
[45:36] was the design year on this one. So, UD
[45:39] do says we only have a thousand vehicles
[45:41] and that's only 3% for a level service
[45:44] D. Um I've done some counts out there.
[45:47] We actually have around 2,600 vehicles a
[45:49] day and it's getting busier. It's
[45:51] growing
[45:52] >> well and people realize that it's
[45:54] connecting like I know soon as 2000
[45:57] connected through to the parkway that's
[45:59] how I drive home every day from work the
[46:02] volume has gone up on 2000
[46:08] » and then
[46:08] >> and it connects
[46:11] >> this segment west I'm sorry east of
[46:13] University Avenue is one big segment
[46:15] that they did. It's 14,000 approaching
[46:18] 60% capacity on on Lake View Parkway. So
[46:23] now this is where I get to turn it back
[46:25] to you guys for discussion and I get to
[46:28] enjoy not talking.
[46:31] >> I I'm going to have you scroll through.
[46:33] >> Okay.
[46:34] >> Can you go to the Center Street?
[46:37] >> Which one?
[46:37] >> The Center Street.
[46:39] >> Yep.
[46:40] I am very yeah that one
[46:45] to me that's actually extremely
[46:47] concerning
[46:49] the fact that we are still over capacity
[46:52] in both areas coming off
[46:57] >> well let me just say that it is a state
[46:59] route state route 114
[47:02] we have been working tirelessly for the
[47:04] last several years trying to get Geneva
[47:07] Road and that segment on Center Street
[47:10] built that's supposed to go to five
[47:12] lanes and then the Geneva Road supposed
[47:14] to be a three l full three-lane
[47:16] cross-section sidewalk curb and gutter
[47:18] and and shoulders on the east side
[47:22] curve gutter and a trail and shoulders
[47:24] on the west side.
[47:26] >> That was my my next question because I
[47:28] know Geneva Road State Road and I know
[47:30] 500 West.
[47:33] So that once it crosses over and hits
[47:36] 500, does it stop being a state road and
[47:38] go down to 300?
[47:40] >> It's a state road all the way up to
[47:42] State Street. So State Street to 2050
[47:45] West. Now years ago, this used to be a
[47:48] state road all the way to the state
[47:49] hospital. And all the reds on that are
[47:52] state
[48:01] » and I know this is more of a northwest
[48:03] connection not not north south not east
[48:08] west but I feel like it's probably going
[48:10] to impact it. They have plans to take
[48:13] Geneva all the way to Lake. So we yeah
[48:16] it's in our transportation master plan
[48:18] to connect 2050 west down to Lake View
[48:21] Parkway. Yes.
[48:24] My biggest concern in this area is
[48:28] all the development is going to happen
[48:29] here in Southwest Provo and then how
[48:31] does that traffic get on the northbound
[48:33] I-15? I hate the northbound access at
[48:35] University Avenue interchange. I don't
[48:37] really airport too much here. this is
[48:40] where everybody's going to go
[48:42] >> and this traffic, you know, as that
[48:45] fills out, this is just going to get
[48:46] worse and worse for the interchange.
[48:50] >> Well, that's why the parkway,
[48:54] correct me if I'm wrong, or was
[48:56] basically told to finish the parkway up
[49:00] connected to Geneva Road right below or
[49:02] tel so that they have access to
[49:05] >> New York Avenue interchange, which also
[49:07] isn't great. Yes. Well, I I understand,
[49:10] but it's a connection towards towards
[49:11] the freeway. Um, that's
[49:16] » Is there still a a new interchange in
[49:19] Provo on the plan?
[49:21] >> It is currently on the RTP and it's a
[49:24] draft on the future draft of the RTP at
[49:28] 820.
[49:28] >> They'd have to do an environmental
[49:29] impact statement.
[49:34] I think the idea is putting
[49:36] a freeway interchange somewhere around
[49:38] 800.
[49:40] >> I know that's in the plan. Like part of
[49:42] the reason I'm here, I told this
[49:43] committee rejected that last year. U had
[49:46] aotted $3 million for that environmental
[49:48] study and Provo turned them down.
[49:50] uh the mayor turned them down because
[49:54] I don't think this committee ever talked
[49:55] about I don't know like I wasn't
[49:57] >> we had probably at least half if not
[50:02] somewhere around half of that funding
[50:03] already I was on the original team the
[50:06] private sector side that did partial
[50:09] that study um it didn't move forward
[50:13] with the environmental I think it's just
[50:17] a personal opinion I think once UD do is
[50:19] done with their PEL study and catch your
[50:21] breath.
[50:22] >> Got to do the same thing for 8:20 and
[50:25] make a final decision on that someday,
[50:27] right? I'm not
[50:29] >> It would be the commute lane. We have
[50:32] the commuters for BYU and IHC that are
[50:34] our biggest employers. It would be a
[50:36] direct commute for them to get all those
[50:38] commuters to get out of University
[50:40] Parkway. And
[50:42] >> except BYU has no parking.
[50:45] There's nowhere for the traffic to go
[50:47] on.
[50:49] because it goes at the bottom side of
[50:52] right through all of the
[50:56] >> building. What was that?
[51:02] » There's there's the there's the bank
[51:04] parking lot right next to Canyon Road
[51:06] and Old Provo High. That's a good size
[51:09] lot.
[51:10] >> Yeah.
[51:10] Um
[51:12] >> that may still be there. They have
[51:14] >> BYU is is contemplating charging faculty
[51:18] and staff for parking
[51:20] in an effort to reduce truck driving to
[51:22] campus. So
[51:26] >> is is there any Well, okay. I'm
[51:28] >> think BYU has thousands of parking
[51:30] spaces every day that go unused. They're
[51:32] all in university.
[51:37] » A lot of lot of capacity by the stadium
[51:39] for parking. But I have seen that fill
[51:42] up considerably over the years. Um,
[51:45] that's a thing that BYU kind of says to
[51:48] the city. Don't worry about parking.
[51:50] Whenever they build a new building,
[51:51] don't worry about parking because we got
[51:53] plenty of it. Well, you do have plenty
[51:55] of it, just maybe not in the locations
[51:57] where it's needed.
[51:59] >> So, for Center Street, this is all
[52:02] mostly all of this is state. So, we
[52:05] really can't do much about it. No,
[52:09] that's not true. We It's on the RTP.
[52:13] It's on our plan as well. And we are
[52:17] really been pushing hard for Geneva Road
[52:19] and Center Street to get fixed.
[52:21] >> So, we do when we do state projects. I
[52:23] primarily work for UDOT projects. We
[52:26] generally have to follow whatever the
[52:28] local municipally master plan is. We
[52:30] can't just do whatever we want. The
[52:32] master plan for the city says there's a
[52:34] trail here. We put the trail in on the
[52:36] UD do property to make
[52:38] So if it's not on the city's master
[52:40] plan, then we do what's best for you do
[52:42] generally.
[52:44] >> So if this is sitting from you do
[52:47] perspective, this is sitting at 275%
[52:50] capacity.
[52:54] » Yeah. The 28,275
[52:57] capacity. Would they consider expanding
[52:59] center shoot?
[53:01] >> Yeah. And I' I've shared this
[53:03] information with them. When I found out
[53:06] I was looking at the traffic study for
[53:07] the apartment complex and I said, "Guys,
[53:11] we got a safety problem on Center Street
[53:13] between 16 between the interchange and
[53:16] 2050." And I showed them this. They're
[53:18] aware of it.
[53:20] >> It's also important to note though that
[53:23] thing that's actually going to govern
[53:24] the design of these roads in these tight
[53:26] urban areas is the intersection level
[53:28] service, which is a different
[53:30] methodology. like the the center street
[53:33] to fifth west is a intersection design
[53:36] problem not a segment problem like the
[53:39] volumes are over 100% but the the
[53:41] intersection design level service is the
[53:44] thing you need to look at and even if
[53:45] you make
[53:46] >> talking about the freeway exchange or
[53:47] just
[53:48] >> no I'm talking about center street over
[53:49] to fist uh west that giant left turn
[53:52] lane that backs up two blocks every day
[53:54] uh that's an intersection issue not a
[53:55] road segment issue and even if you make
[53:58] Geneva road seven lane for if you make
[54:01] Geneva seven lanes, you make Center
[54:02] Street seven lanes west of the freeway,
[54:04] the signals at the interchange can't
[54:06] handle the additional volumes.
[54:08] >> So, one thought that
[54:12] couple of us had several years ago was
[54:14] why since Provo City Center
[54:18] drops the the speed and is really making
[54:21] that more of a pedestrian bike friendly
[54:24] area, which I'm I'm not opposed to at
[54:25] all. Why not push traffic up to that's a
[54:29] 35 mile an hour road? Is there a way to
[54:31] design it that way? I think that would
[54:34] help with that situation because like
[54:36] you said, a lot of people go 500 west.
[54:39] They we still have 75% capacity in the
[54:43] downtown area, but it's more about that
[54:46] like you said, the interchange between
[54:47] Center Street.
[54:49] >> Yeah, we're certainly encouraging First
[54:51] North. Um it is a 35 mph road having a
[54:55] little faster speed 35 over 15. We think
[54:59] there would be a little bit better
[55:00] attraction.
[55:02] Um but um we we haven't seen a huge
[55:05] change. Uh what's going to change that
[55:08] eventually is going to have to be design
[55:12] and that's
[55:15] but that that's all I'm going to say.
[55:17] It's already acting at a very core level
[55:21] intersection level of service at the 500
[55:24] West and I'm
[55:27] working with UD do now where six west
[55:30] may not be a through street much longer
[55:33] they experience raised median there we
[55:36] don't get people turning left there
[55:38] anyway maybe two for peak hour I don't
[55:42] even know how they can do it during peak
[55:44] hour safety hazard when they safety
[55:46] hazard and they do it. So, we're
[55:50] >> like 3700 North right before the signal
[55:53] there. We got a problem. And same thing
[55:55] with this one only. This is truly you do
[55:57] DOT's problem, but we're going to work
[55:58] with them.
[56:00] >> I I guess if I were to if I had all the
[56:03] money in the world and impacted nobody
[56:06] on a personal level, I would say reroute
[56:09] center street to go up to First North
[56:11] and have the major intersection be at
[56:12] First North.
[56:16] Well, there you get east west problems
[56:18] too because first north ends at the old
[56:24] it doesn't go all the way
[56:27] >> and you have a res like there are four
[56:29] there are five blocks of it where it's
[56:31] effectively an arterial but every other
[56:33] part of it is a residential street
[56:36] >> at least turns
[56:38] >> so that's if we're talking about if
[56:40] we're talking about because if you got
[56:42] 36,000 coming from the freeway to fifth
[56:44] north but you only have 18,000
[56:46] Half of that traffic is going north and
[56:49] south on
[56:49] >> That's right.
[56:51] >> So, why not make it easier to go north
[56:53] and south on Sith?
[56:54] >> There was a discussion a couple years
[56:55] ago, Vern, I think you were around for
[56:57] this about the city acquiring that
[56:59] grocery store and building a big S-curve
[57:01] into Center Street, right? And so then
[57:03] it would dump people off on first. The
[57:05] problem is where people really want to
[57:07] go is northbound off State Street. You
[57:09] still have a huge left turn problem.
[57:12] What would be sweet in my mind is if you
[57:14] did one frontage couplet, center street
[57:16] would be eastbound, first north would be
[57:19] westbound. They come together near the
[57:20] interchange. We do see that all the time
[57:22] and all the cities that have done that
[57:24] have tried to walk away from it because
[57:26] it's really bad for like local
[57:29] pedestrians.
[57:32] » A lot of cities did that in the 70s and
[57:35] every city that did it is trying to undo
[57:37] it now. One one way roads just have more
[57:39] efficient intersections like for traffic
[57:41] movement if you ignore everything else.
[57:44] Sorry. But it becomes a car sewer and
[57:47] all the businesses die.
[57:49] >> Yeah. Ignore everything else. You move a
[57:52] lot of cars through but no one wants to
[57:55] be around.
[57:57] >> Which one's better for the actress?
[58:00] >> Yeah. On the old east side.
[58:04] I I think what's archaic, even though
[58:06] it's new, is both of our interchanges.
[58:10] Both of them are
[58:13] peculiar in nature. They're not any
[58:15] standardized intersection interchange on
[58:18] the entire I-15. I8 is the worst
[58:21] designed interchange in the state. Like
[58:24] it's a death trap. It has terrible
[58:26] operational efficiency. Um the people
[58:29] who designed it should be ashamed.
[58:32] >> Well, it's not what I understand. So I
[58:35] was told that Provo forced that onto UD
[58:37] dot that Provo had a better design.
[58:39] People here complained it would turn
[58:40] into a raceway with what UD do wanted to
[58:42] do. So they put this in.
[58:43] >> Well, there's also an issue where the design that uh would be most
[58:47] efficient would have required closing
[58:50] that interchange for a year.
[58:53] Um because they they had to build the
[58:55] new interchange
[58:57] like they had to build the new
[58:58] interchange where the old one wasn't and
[59:00] they wanted to keep Center Street open
[59:02] across I-15 in the freeway during the
[59:05] construction. Uh and so that means that meant they had to move it down and
[59:09] that's why you get this weird displaced
[59:11] design. The the way to do it correctly
[59:14] would would have been to tear it down,
[59:16] close the whole road for a year and then
[59:18] open up a welldesigned energy. That was
[59:21] rejected.
[59:22] Okay. Can we send these? Yeah,
[59:26] >> I'll I'll get I'll send the PDF out to
[59:30] everybody. I'll make sure that gets done
[59:32] and uh I also like
[59:34] >> you guys can look at it and I think you
[59:37] guys could discuss more next meeting in
[59:39] June and I won't have to present in
[59:41] June. Um you guys could just any other
[59:45] items you want on the agenda other than
[59:47] east west connectivity. I think it's
[59:49] healthy discussion and I I know right
[59:51] now uh intuitively uh some of the
[59:54] engineers in the room have been looking
[59:57] at this and discussing things and and
[1:00:00] even engineers have difference of
[1:00:02] opinions right so um I think it's
[1:00:06] healthy discussion
[1:00:08] but let's our our plans do have
[1:00:13] you know remedies for this we we are
[1:00:15] planning east west connectivity
[1:00:18] there's just only so much money and a
[1:00:20] lot of this is development driven where
[1:00:22] we just don't go out and build the road
[1:00:24] ourselves. Sometimes we do like like
[1:00:26] View Parkway, but um rarely does that
[1:00:29] often occur.
[1:00:32] >> So this is my encouragement to T-Mac
[1:00:34] members. Um
[1:00:36] he's going to send these out. Go through
[1:00:38] them if you can if you have time.
[1:00:43] did two or three highlights kind of want
[1:00:45] to bring up because for me the first
[1:00:46] things that highlighted to me was center
[1:00:48] street also the
[1:00:51] around the temple those are kind of the
[1:00:53] two big highlights to me through these
[1:00:56] things but go through looking through
[1:00:57] look at your highlights we don't have
[1:00:59] much on the agenda for next month so we
[1:01:02] can just go through these slides one by
[1:01:04] one if we want to um yeah and I think
[1:01:10] this is going to be a very interesting
[1:01:11] discussion
[1:01:13] Yeah.
[1:01:13] >> Yes.
[1:01:13] >> I I do have a suggestion for a followup
[1:01:16] item for
[1:01:18] >> not too far in the future.
[1:01:19] >> Okay.
[1:01:20] >> And that was last May we heard from the
[1:01:23] BYU students and faculty about the near
[1:01:26] misses by
[1:01:29] and near misses with
[1:01:33] cars. And the in that discussion, I
[1:01:37] remember talking about people trying to
[1:01:40] report near misses
[1:01:43] and and and people trying to report
[1:01:49] bicycle related incidents with cars and
[1:01:53] the system for doing that was not very
[1:01:56] functional and I remember some
[1:01:58] discussion about that. I don't know what
[1:02:00] the police department I I remember
[1:02:04] something vaguely about that, but
[1:02:07] >> I have a follow up on that. The police
[1:02:09] did hear that. They did make a change to
[1:02:11] make it easier reporting a non vehicular
[1:02:14] accident. Um but they're they are not
[1:02:18] counting near misses. No way to report a
[1:02:21] near miss.
[1:02:23] Okay. Now there is software out there
[1:02:26] and camera systems that do that. Um
[1:02:31] we have not invested in those systems.
[1:02:36] Would we have to build a data center to
[1:02:39] have enough?
[1:02:47] » Okay. Um really quick. I know we're like
[1:02:50] right almost at time, but uh Davis,
[1:02:52] could you just give us a real brief
[1:02:54] update on 820?
[1:02:56] >> So,
[1:02:57] we are on schedule. We're plann to open
[1:02:59] up July 4th um for the road.
[1:03:03] Uh the trail will remain closed for a
[1:03:07] number of weeks after that as we are
[1:03:08] getting a mural painted and the artist
[1:03:11] has requested kind of clean conditions
[1:03:13] and that can't happen really during
[1:03:15] construction. So, we're kind of doing it
[1:03:17] a two-phase opening, but the road will
[1:03:19] be opened um scheduled by the 4th of
[1:03:22] July.
[1:03:22] >> Yay.
[1:03:23] >> So, we can I can you can just get
[1:03:25] through these, but this is just kind of
[1:03:27] some updates. We've done some back
[1:03:29] filling. We've poured the deck. Um you
[1:03:32] can just see as we go through, but we've
[1:03:34] made a lot of progress in the last
[1:03:35] month, and this next month, you'll see
[1:03:37] uh just as much progress here as we
[1:03:39] close out this project. So,
[1:03:41] >> it's all the visual progress. Mhm. T
[1:03:44] going to be lighted.
[1:03:46] >> H will the tunnel be lighted?
[1:03:47] >> Yes.
[1:03:51] » Oh yeah.
[1:03:53] >> Er, do we have much on the University
[1:03:55] Avenue bridge replacement?
[1:03:56] >> Uh, yeah, we have a couple of things.
[1:03:58] Uh, I don't know if I reported last
[1:04:00] month we were boring. We ran into an
[1:04:03] object. Um, started to go up a little
[1:04:06] bit. Um, they submitted a revised plan
[1:04:10] of the railroad. the railroad turned
[1:04:12] that one down. Surprise. Um, and then
[1:04:15] just a couple of things associated with
[1:04:17] that project. We're restriping, we've
[1:04:20] been, not us, but the contractors been
[1:04:22] restriping Lake View Parkway and and the
[1:04:26] State Street intersection all week.
[1:04:28] Sorry for the delays. Uh, but that's going to be so much better.
[1:04:34] You'll see it. It's just a a much better
[1:04:37] striping. and you won't see lines going
[1:04:40] everywhere. Which way? Also, just be
[1:04:43] prepared in the month of June.
[1:04:47] I don't even want to say this. Um, the
[1:04:50] southbound
[1:04:52] onramp to I-15 is going to be shut down
[1:04:54] at University Avenue. So, what you'll do
[1:05:00] instead of making that
[1:05:01] >> to southbound I5 or southbound to
[1:05:03] northbound I5?
[1:05:04] >> Southbound. Southbound. Southbound
[1:05:07] University Avenue to southbound I-15.
[1:05:09] Okay. So, you'll go to the traffic
[1:05:12] light. You'll make a right and then
[1:05:14] you'll make a left onto the ramp and
[1:05:17] that's going to be down for a month
[1:05:19] while they do pour new concrete on the
[1:05:22] slip ramp. Uh that's the little hook
[1:05:24] ramp going northbound.
[1:05:25] >> Oh, man.
[1:05:26] >> So, just be aware
[1:05:31] of that.
[1:05:32] >> Has been like blasted out there. Joseph
[1:05:36] will be in charge of that. Joseph
[1:05:37] sitting back here
[1:05:40] will work together that out.
[1:05:46] » Well, good thing
[1:05:48] we husband doesn't have to say that
[1:05:49] anymore.
[1:05:50] >> Okay. H Did you have anything?
[1:05:51] >> Uh we can discuss it next month.
[1:05:53] >> Next month. We're good. Okay.
[1:05:56] >> Okay.
[1:05:58] >> Go go go over. Thank you. Go over the
[1:06:00] slides. See what you guys want to talk
[1:06:02] about next month. And next month it's
[1:06:03] June 11th
[1:06:05] since we moved it up a week for
[1:06:09] >> June. Did we decide we're not going to
[1:06:11] meet in July?
[1:06:12] >> So we're not meeting in July and
[1:06:13] December.
[1:06:14] >> We will meet in
[1:06:16] >> Thank you.
[1:06:17] >> Are you doing August?
[1:06:18] >> Yeah. I'll have my students come and do
[1:06:21] some stuff that we've been working on.
[1:06:26] » Good to see you.
[1:06:27] >> Yeah. That's