1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:03,520 All right. We'd like to welcome everyone 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,359 to the Pro Municipal Council regular 3 00:00:05,359 --> 00:00:11,280 meeting. It is 5:31 p.m. May 26, 2006. 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,880 We will do a roll call of the elected 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,560 officials starting with 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,240 >> Becky Bogdan, 7 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:19,600 >> Gary Garrett, 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:20,720 >> Katrice McKay, 9 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,720 >> Craig Christensen, Jeff Whitlock, 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,640 >> Rachel Whipple. 11 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,880 Um, today's prayer will be provided by 12 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,400 Gavin Whiting. And then we'll have the 13 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,960 pledge of allegiance by counselor hope 14 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:38,150 and if he's back otherwise I'll do it. 15 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:40,239 Oh God, we are so grateful for this 16 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:42,480 opportunity we have to come together as 17 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:45,360 citizens and leadership of Provo. We ask 18 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,360 a blessing that we may have this meeting 19 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,320 in in love, respect, and the unified 20 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,719 goal of making Provo a a better place 21 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:54,640 and the best place that it can be to 22 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:00,800 live. We are so grateful for thee and for thy son Jesus Christ and all 23 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,800 that he has done for us. We ask and pray 24 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,320 for these things in the name of Jesus 25 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:05,360 Christ. Amen. 26 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:06,560 >> Amen. 27 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,840 >> Thank you Gavin. 28 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,439 We're going to pledge by counselor 29 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:15,750 Hoben. 30 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,840 » Join me to the flag of the United States 31 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,640 of America and to the republic for which 32 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,920 it stands. One nation under God, 33 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,400 indivisible, with liberty and justice 34 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,345 for all. 35 00:01:32,355 --> 00:01:33,520 [clears throat] 36 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,560 >> All right. First of all, we're going to 37 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,400 have a ceremony recognizing the Provo 38 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,600 City employee of the month. And this is 39 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,840 for 40 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,759 communication. Oh, sorry. I was like 41 00:01:43,759 --> 00:01:44,960 trying to figure out like we're telling 42 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,040 them that it said communications person. 43 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,280 Okay. It is going to be for the 44 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,759 department of communications. It'll be 45 00:01:51,759 --> 00:01:54,320 or is that right? 46 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,479 I'm so perplexed. I'm sorry. Okay, so 47 00:01:56,479 --> 00:01:58,399 it's the department of edit. That's a 48 00:01:58,399 --> 00:01:59,439 new department for us. So, 49 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:01,360 communications. 50 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:02,960 That's what I'm used to seeing. Okay. 51 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,880 Thank you. All right. Come on up, 52 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,560 Barbara Smith. Barbara Smith is going to 53 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:15,589 announce it for us. 54 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:17,760 Thank you so much. is so nice to be here 55 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,520 and it's so great to be here for such a 56 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,040 celebratory reason. So, it is my honor 57 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,920 to recognize Cassidy Kle Smith as Provo 58 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:28,879 City's employee of the month for May of 59 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:30,480 2026. 60 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,720 Cassidy began her career with Provo City 61 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,680 in 2018 as a graphic designer for the 62 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,160 Cubby Center of the Arts, where her 63 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,599 creativity and talent quickly stood out. 64 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:43,920 She became the city's primary graphic 65 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,959 artist and designer in 2021. And since 66 00:02:46,959 --> 00:02:49,599 stepping into her current role, she has 67 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:52,239 consistently gone above and beyond to 68 00:02:52,239 --> 00:02:54,239 serve all of the departments across the 69 00:02:54,239 --> 00:02:57,840 city and our residents, too. 70 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,280 If you work for Provo, then her artistic 71 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,599 talents have already touched you in some 72 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:07,280 way. From email signatures and logo 73 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,159 creation to the annual water report, 74 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:13,280 stickers, event and retirement flyers, 75 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,920 banners, the monthly newsletter, 76 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:18,400 graphics and content design, and 77 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,400 assistance with the website, as well as 78 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,000 ad campaigns. She brings color and 79 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,159 visual communications to all of our 80 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:29,680 Provo residents. While her talents as a 81 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,400 designer are well known, her reputation 82 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,440 for customer service is equally strong 83 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,599 and she is widely regarded as 84 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:40,400 exceptional with people. She remains 85 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,280 calm under tight deadlines and is 86 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,680 passionate about helping others bring 87 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,280 their ideas to life. Cassid's work ethic 88 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,760 and commitment are unmatched and she 89 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,760 takes pride in ensuring that every 90 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,599 design is just right. Cassidy is truly 91 00:03:57,599 --> 00:04:00,480 an invaluable member of our team and we 92 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,159 are deeply grateful for her 93 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:04,640 professionalism, creativity, and 94 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,640 dedication to serving our staff and our 95 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,400 residents. And we would like to 96 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,159 congratulate Cassidy on this 97 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:12,000 well-deserved employee of the month 98 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,639 recognition as the April 26 employee of 99 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:30,469 the month. Cassidy. 100 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:36,403 Yes, we would like photos. 101 00:04:36,413 --> 00:05:05,350 [laughter] 102 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:19,189 Thank you. 103 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:20,320 Okay, 104 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:37,830 >> I'm gonna try I'm gonna try this way. 105 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:45,670 He's ringing. Right. 106 00:05:45,680 --> 00:06:20,230 Thank you. 107 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,240 As indicated on the screen, a required 108 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,520 public hearing will be held for certain 109 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,919 agenda items prior to council action. 110 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:28,319 After each such item is presented, timed 111 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:29,840 to comment will be provided for all 112 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:31,919 those who wish to speak. For items that 113 00:06:31,919 --> 00:06:33,600 do not require public hearing, public 114 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:34,960 comment will still be taken following 115 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,400 presentation of the item, but will be 116 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,639 limited to 10 minutes. 117 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:40,479 At this time, up to 15 minutes have been 118 00:06:40,479 --> 00:06:42,240 set aside for an open public comment 119 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,080 period, which is intended to allow 120 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,919 comment on matters that do not appear on 121 00:06:45,919 --> 00:06:47,360 the agenda, but are limited to topics 122 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,520 regarding municipal business or within 123 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,000 municipal council purview. Persons who 124 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,759 speak during this time to an item that 125 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:55,120 is on the agenda will not normally be 126 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,720 afforded a second opportunity to speak 127 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,080 during the comment period specific to 128 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,319 that item. During any public comment 129 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:01,599 period, each speaker will generally be 130 00:07:01,599 --> 00:07:04,160 limited to two minutes. Due to noticing 131 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,680 requirements, no formal action will be 132 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,199 taken in this meeting on matters that do 133 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:09,520 not appear on the agenda. Those with 134 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:10,960 comments are invited to approach the 135 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,280 podium. Those participating on Zoom will 136 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,479 need to use the raise hand feature to 137 00:07:14,479 --> 00:07:16,880 indicate they wish to comment. 138 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,240 The chair may choose to alternate 139 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,319 between inerson and online commenters. 140 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:21,840 Please begin your comments by stating 141 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,360 your name and your city of residence and 142 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,199 you'll have two minutes to speak. Do we 143 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:28,000 have any open comment at this time? Come 144 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,560 on up. Let's need your name and your 145 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,319 city of residence, please. 146 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:37,360 So, I am David Spencer uh from ORM and 147 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,280 I'm running for county commissioner seat 148 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,919 B. So, I was on the Orange City Council 149 00:07:41,919 --> 00:07:44,400 for the last 12 years. And how I got 150 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,280 into politics was the city council at 151 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,880 the time wanted to take up baseball 152 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,440 fields for parking. So, I'm a baseball 153 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,840 guy. So, I ran and I won. So, the 154 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,680 baseball fields are still in ORM, thank 155 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,800 goodness. And I moved on now to run for 156 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,039 county commissioner CB. But in those 12 157 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:03,680 years, not once did we have a county 158 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,639 commissioner come to ORM and ask, "What 159 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:08,479 are your needs? How can we help you?" 160 00:08:08,479 --> 00:08:10,639 and I want to change that. I'm going to 161 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:12,000 every city. I'm talking to every city 162 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,400 council to make sure that your needs are 163 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,720 met. Now, in Provo, you have a nice 164 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,280 airport and and convention center, but I 165 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,599 still think we need to meet with each 166 00:08:21,599 --> 00:08:24,319 city and say, "What are your needs?" Um, 167 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:26,319 moving forward, I think we need more 168 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:30,160 transparency in county government. 169 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,240 need to make sure that citizens and 170 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,680 everybody knows what's the county 171 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:35,680 commissioners are doing and if they're 172 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:37,120 attending their meetings, if they're how 173 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,880 they vote and if they're traveling 174 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,279 foolishly. So, I want to sort of reset 175 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:44,399 and change uh the mindset of the county 176 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:47,600 and hopefully we can be more accountable 177 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,320 just as you guys uh as the mayor and 178 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,000 city council, you're accountable to your 179 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,920 constituents and I want to do that for 180 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,839 the for Utah County. So, um I have some 181 00:08:57,839 --> 00:08:59,360 little brochures I can give the city 182 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,279 recorder 183 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:03,200 if that would be okay. 184 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,000 >> Yeah, that's 185 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:04,720 >> and uh 186 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,560 >> do do it over here, please. 187 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:08,720 >> So, just David Spencer and I appreciate 188 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,720 your time and I miss being on the 189 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,959 council, but uh I love serving people. 190 00:09:12,959 --> 00:09:13,760 So, thank you. 191 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,240 >> Thanks, David. 192 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,720 >> All right. Any more public? You want to 193 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,000 wait for your item, I think. 194 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,200 >> No, it's actually this. 195 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,080 >> Okay, great. 196 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,590 >> Thank you, though. 197 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,120 Hello, council. My name is Gavin 198 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,560 Whiting, resident of Provo. Um, I've 199 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:31,839 been living in Provo for three years, 200 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:33,360 but I also was born here and I grew up 201 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,440 here and it's a beautiful city and I and 202 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,600 I do love it. This is my first council 203 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:38,959 meeting and I am trying to add more 204 00:09:38,959 --> 00:09:41,040 responsibility to myself by 205 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,040 participating in my local government. 206 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,120 The catalyst for my participating in my 207 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,640 local government is the new data center 208 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,880 in another county that has been planned, 209 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,560 approved by corporations, the state 210 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:52,160 government, and the county government, 211 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,839 which seems to me was not given any 212 00:09:53,839 --> 00:09:55,839 public comment and was not voted in on 213 00:09:55,839 --> 00:09:58,480 in the interests of the constituents. I 214 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,839 do not have a problem with corporate 215 00:09:59,839 --> 00:10:01,279 interests as long as they align with the 216 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:03,040 interest of the constituents. I am 217 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,560 asking you members of the council, how 218 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:06,080 will you protect yourself from letting 219 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,839 corporate interests and donations trump 220 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:09,600 the interests of your constituents? 221 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,040 Thank you. 222 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:16,079 >> Thanks, Gavin. Any other public comment? 223 00:10:16,079 --> 00:10:18,000 All right. 224 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,519 We have an implied motion on a 225 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:21,040 resolution approving the appropriation 226 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,470 of $13,5921 227 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,160 in the general fund for a contractual 228 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,240 sales tax increment postperformance 229 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,160 payment today's market. And this will 230 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,160 present JW Cody. I'm going to read them 231 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,279 all in. Um, and then next we'll have a 232 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:36,640 resolution approving the appropriation 233 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,519 of $31,33.33 234 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:41,120 in the general fund for the contractual 235 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,440 sales tax increment post performance 236 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,079 payment to the shops of Riverwoods. And 237 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:49,200 then we will have a resolution approving 238 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,030 the appropriation of $83,851.50 239 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,480 in the general fund for contractual 240 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,000 sales tax increment post performance 241 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,720 payment to Parkway Village. And then 242 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,880 finally, a resolution probably approp 243 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,560 approving the appropriation of 244 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:05,670 $57,765.50 245 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:07,200 in the general fund for contractual 246 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,720 sales tax increment post performance 247 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,200 payment to East Bay Shopping Center. And 248 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,560 these will all be presented by Cody 249 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:14,160 Hill, our economic development division 250 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:21,190 director. 251 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,640 » Thank you so much. I really appreciate 252 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,079 your time, Councilwoman Katrice McKay. 253 00:11:26,079 --> 00:11:28,800 And thank you, council members. Um, so 254 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,320 this item was brought up two weeks ago 255 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,800 in the work session and as discussed in 256 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,279 the work session, but basically for the benefit of the public, um, I'll just 257 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:38,480 provide a little bit of background 258 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,800 information about these agreements. The 259 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,680 city entered into these, um, these tax 260 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:46,000 increment, sales tax increment, uh, 261 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,959 agreements in 2016, 2018, 2018, and 262 00:11:48,959 --> 00:11:53,040 2019. So, um, a little bit ago. And they 263 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,760 are all very similar in that they were 264 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,519 depreciating assets. There were there 265 00:11:57,519 --> 00:11:59,440 were shopping centers that were um 266 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,360 declining and the the city um met with 267 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,920 the the owners and and decided to 268 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,639 support them in making improvements um 269 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:12,953 to the the shopping centers and um 270 00:12:12,953 --> 00:12:15,839 [clears throat] and identifying specific 271 00:12:15,839 --> 00:12:18,079 um improvements that would be qualified 272 00:12:18,079 --> 00:12:21,600 for tax increment reimbursement. and and 273 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,000 then the agreements are all such that 274 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,240 the city provides half of the the 275 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,920 there's a base year value for each of 276 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,160 the shopping centers. So for example, 277 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,680 Riverwoods was back in 2018 and there is 278 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:39,519 a base year value of about $100,000 of 279 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:41,600 prop of sales tax increment that was 280 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,920 received. And so when we look at their 281 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,279 2025 increments or or what they produced 282 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:49,920 above 100,000 283 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,959 um we we cut that in half, remove the 284 00:12:52,959 --> 00:12:56,160 base year and then um share that with 285 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,680 them. And um [clears throat] 286 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:01,120 Councilwoman Bogden, you had 287 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,160 specifically asked for what the increase 288 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,600 was above the base year um adjusted for 289 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,000 inflation. And for Days Market, that's 290 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,800 113% more. Um for East Bay, it's 156%, 291 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,839 for Parkway Village, it's 141%, and for 292 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:20,959 Riverwoods, it's uh 96% above the 293 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:23,680 baseear value. And so we're seeing um 294 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:26,079 definitely a great investment in all um 295 00:13:26,079 --> 00:13:28,639 all four of these uh locations. So 296 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:31,600 they've all been very successful post um 297 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,160 improvements and so it's been uh 298 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,240 definitely a big benefit to the city um 299 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,200 to have them made those improvements and to have supported them in those. Um 300 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,680 and if there's any questions, I'm happy 301 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:47,440 to address them. 302 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,279 >> Any questions for Cody? Councelor G. 303 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:54,720 Cody, I I was just wondering um each of 304 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,760 the four appropriations makes reference 305 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,639 in our packet to the time sensitivity of 306 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:01,760 the payment. Yes. 307 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,880 >> Um in in every case referring to the 308 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,880 fact that the payment was supposed to be 309 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,000 made in March or February or last 310 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,760 September. Any idea uh what went on 311 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,079 there? A change in staff member or 312 00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:17,279 >> Yes, there was a change in staff member 313 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:19,760 and that that staff member was me. So, I 314 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,240 came in um at the end of March and so I 315 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,920 had actually missed the payment process 316 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,120 for all of these. Okay. 317 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,920 >> Um and so I I take responsibility that I 318 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,600 should have made these payments um prior 319 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,279 to and I've set calendar reminders in my calendar annually so that these 320 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:36,079 don't get um forgotten in the in future. 321 00:14:36,079 --> 00:14:38,079 >> Okay. I I noticed only one had reached 322 00:14:38,079 --> 00:14:40,880 out inquiring about the payment. But I 323 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:41,839 just wondered. Thank you. 324 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:44,320 >> Yep. 325 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,399 >> Councelor Whitlock. 326 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:51,199 Similarly to that point, have have we um 327 00:14:51,199 --> 00:14:53,600 now incorporated these into our budget 328 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,440 moving forward, but they were not 329 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,360 incorporated into the budget last year 330 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,800 because it was an oversight? Like just 331 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,440 can you help speak to that? That is an 332 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,959 interesting item to discuss. I I see 333 00:15:04,959 --> 00:15:06,639 merits both ways. We have discussed 334 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:08,320 incorporating it into the budget and not 335 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,399 using an appropriation. Um the sentiment 336 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:14,079 pre last year when we brought this up 337 00:15:14,079 --> 00:15:16,480 for discussion was that they preferred 338 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,160 an appropriation so that they knew 339 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,399 exactly how much it was rather than 340 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:22,240 doing some forecasting and and and 341 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,320 budgeting for it and then having to 342 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,560 appropriate anyways. 343 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,079 >> Councelor Whitlock. Yeah. I just add to 344 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:29,920 that that you know we have had that 345 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,600 discussion before. We've it's come up a 346 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,360 couple times. So far, the history of 347 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,399 these has been we've just done 348 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:36,560 appropriations every year because the 349 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:37,360 amount [clears throat] can't be 350 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,199 calculated until the performance is 351 00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:41,839 achieved. So, but you could you could 352 00:15:41,839 --> 00:15:43,839 certainly speculate and put it in if you 353 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:45,120 wanted to. We've had that discussion. 354 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,000 >> And then do we have do we budget for 355 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 extra funds for these generally or I'm 356 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,160 just dumb question is like how do we 357 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,279 know the money's going to be there to 358 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:55,920 pay these out? Well, Cody can speak to 359 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,680 this probably better than I can, but 360 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,000 they're being made out of money that 361 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,000 comes in because of their performance. 362 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,560 So, the their performance generates 363 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,399 sales tax which then comes in which then 364 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:07,360 funds it. So, 365 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,759 >> right. But there's never like a time gap 366 00:16:09,759 --> 00:16:11,759 that's problematic there because of how 367 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:13,519 the state pays out these versus when we 368 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:14,000 pay them. 369 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,600 >> Oh, that's a good question. I don't know 370 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,360 the timing. He 371 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,120 >> not not that I'm aware of that there's 372 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,800 an issue just given that the fund the 373 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,160 healthy fund balance that the city does 374 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,040 have. 375 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,030 >> Okay. Thank you. 376 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,440 » All right. Thank you, Cody. 377 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,639 >> Oh, so sorry, Council Bob. 378 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:34,880 >> Cody, I I would like to say that I 379 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,240 prefer it this way where it's an 380 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,240 appropriation versus into the budget. 381 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:38,560 >> Okay. 382 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,279 >> These things get lost into the budget. 383 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:43,680 And I like that you come before us and 384 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,839 we're accountable to the public and 385 00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:49,680 you're accountable to us about how this 386 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,199 is going forward and how this is 387 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:53,279 working. And I want to say I really do 388 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:56,160 appreciate you telling us all the 389 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,160 numbers that you did. These are things 390 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,160 that we've asked for in the past and we 391 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,600 either haven't got them or they haven't 392 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,680 been as good as you've done them. And 393 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,000 then giving us the percentage of what it 394 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,799 is over the top. I think it helps me and 395 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:11,439 it helps the public understand what 396 00:17:11,439 --> 00:17:14,480 these tools do because you can go down 397 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,480 to East Bay and you can see that there's 398 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,319 been businesses moving in and out, 399 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:22,400 but to actually see the sales tax 400 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,799 percentage, you can see this increase. 401 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:27,520 And it to me it helps. It helps me 402 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,039 because we, you know, we get approached 403 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:30,640 by people all the time, can we have your 404 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,000 money? Can we have your money? Well, 405 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,320 what are you doing with our money? And I 406 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,840 really like that. So, thank you so much 407 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,480 for providing those to us and the way 408 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,799 that you've done it and I do appreciate 409 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:41,280 it. 410 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,039 >> Absolutely. And I see the sense in in 411 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:44,720 having it be an appropriation and rather 412 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,160 than approving it with thousands of 413 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,240 other items in a budget that that it's 414 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,080 coming special and and that there's an 415 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,919 additional accountability in that. 416 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:56,400 >> Okay. All right. Thanks, Cody. We'll 417 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,240 open this item up for public comment. 418 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,280 So, you can make public comment on 419 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,440 any of those appropriations, 420 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,990 right? Any council discussion? 421 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,760 All right, we'll take a vote now. Do I 422 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,520 have to vote on each one independently? 423 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,600 I do. Okay, so we're going to take a 424 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,360 vote first on the applied motion number 425 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:18,000 two for today's market. 426 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,440 Councelor Garrett, 427 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:20,000 >> yes. 428 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,600 >> Councelor McKay, yes. Councelor 429 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:22,240 Christensen, 430 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:22,640 >> yes. 431 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:23,760 >> Councelor Whitlock, 432 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:24,160 >> yes. 433 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,440 >> Councelor Bogden, 434 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:25,840 >> yes. 435 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,880 >> Councelor Hoben, 436 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:27,360 >> yes. 437 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:28,640 >> And councelor Whipple, 438 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:29,039 >> yes. 439 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:31,600 >> So that passes 70. Next, it'll be the 440 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,320 implied motion on Riverwoods. 441 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,840 Councelor McCay, yes. Councelor 442 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:36,559 Christensen, 443 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:36,880 >> yes. 444 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,080 >> Councelor Whitlock, 445 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,400 >> yes. 446 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,520 >> Councelor Bogdan, 447 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:39,840 >> yes. 448 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,000 >> Councelor Hoben, 449 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:42,559 >> yes. 450 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:43,760 >> Councelor Whipple, 451 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:44,480 >> yes. 452 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:45,679 >> Councelor Garrett, 453 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:46,240 >> yes. 454 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,400 >> And that passes 70. Next will be the 455 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,600 implied motion on Parkway Village. 456 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:52,720 Councelor Christensen, 457 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:53,120 >> yes. 458 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:54,240 >> Councelor Whitlock, 459 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:54,720 >> yes. 460 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,840 >> Councelor Bogdan, 461 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,600 >> yes. Councelor Hoben, 462 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:58,080 >> yes. 463 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,200 >> Councelor Whipple, 464 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,720 >> yes. Councelor Garrett, 465 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:01,120 >> yes. 466 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,679 >> Councelor McCay, yes. Next implied 467 00:19:03,679 --> 00:19:05,679 motion on the East Bay Shopping Center. 468 00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:06,960 Councelor Whitlock, 469 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:07,679 >> yes. 470 00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:08,799 >> Councelor Bogden, 471 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,200 >> yes. Councelor Hoben, 472 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:11,760 >> yes. 473 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:12,880 >> Councelor Whipple, 474 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:13,280 >> yes. 475 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,400 >> Councelor Garrett, 476 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:14,799 >> yes. 477 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:16,480 >> Councelor McCay, yes. Councelor 478 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:17,200 Christensen, 479 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,480 >> yes. 480 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,200 >> All right. Thank you. That passes 70. 481 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,640 Next, we have implied motion on 482 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,000 ordinance amending the pro city code to 483 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,679 add a caretaker dwelling as permitted 484 00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:29,600 accessory use in the general commercial 485 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,520 zone. This be presented by Aaron 486 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:37,590 Ardmore, our planning manager. 487 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,120 » Okay, thank you. So, we [clears throat] 488 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:40,640 talked about this a little bit in a 489 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,559 study meeting today. Uh, but this comes 490 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,600 to us from a commercial user in the 491 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,360 city. Uh, but it is a city-wide 492 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:50,559 application. So it would impact uh all 493 00:19:50,559 --> 00:19:52,080 of the general commercial zones within 494 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,160 the city uh which we have several 495 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,400 hundred acres. Uh the proposal here is 496 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,320 to add uh as an accessory use in the 497 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,160 commercial zone a caretaker dwelling uh 498 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,000 which is currently a a permitted 499 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,600 accessory use in several other 500 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,520 commercial zones and industrial zones 501 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,160 and the public facility zone itself. 502 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,880 um they they haven't been used a lot. Uh 503 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,480 but there was a need here from the 504 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,400 applicant to um better secure and 505 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,400 maintain and watch the property uh that 506 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,200 they that they own. Uh so this went 507 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,200 through uh planning commission received 508 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,679 a recommendation for approval and is uh 509 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:29,120 before you for decision tonight. 510 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:30,720 >> Great. Thanks Aaron. Any questions for 511 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,320 Aaron? 512 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,679 Councelor Whitmok. 513 00:20:33,679 --> 00:20:35,679 >> Uh just some general information 514 00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:37,600 questions. So, the general commercial 515 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,200 zone, could you just kind of explain 516 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,840 what it entails for folks who are tuning 517 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,480 in? 518 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,080 >> Yeah, it's it's pretty much I I can say 519 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,240 it's like our baseline commercial zone. 520 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,720 Um, so it's it's not specialized in any 521 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,799 one way or another. It allows a variety 522 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:56,240 of retail and office and um commercial 523 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,480 uses. Uh it just had never been thought 524 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,960 of to allow uh any type of residential 525 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,000 use prior to today. and the the re and 526 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,280 the planning commission. What was the 527 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,960 planning commission kind of outcome and 528 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,720 their main feedback? 529 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,559 >> They they like the idea of it. Uh they 530 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:12,240 had more to say on the actual standards 531 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,600 of the caretaker dwelling uh itself 532 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,600 which is through all the different zones 533 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,840 that it's applied in. U but that 534 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,000 couldn't be amended through this 535 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,320 proposal but it may in the the rewrite 536 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,600 or future proposal. So we could for 537 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,400 example approve this, add that as a 538 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,960 permitted use and then adjust the 539 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,400 definition of caretaker will rolling 540 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:32,960 later on. 541 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:33,440 >> Yeah. 542 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,960 >> Amazing. Thank you. 543 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,600 >> All right. Anything else for Aaron? 544 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,200 Okay. Thank you, Erin. We'll open this 545 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:51,909 item up for public comment. 546 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:53,600 » Hi, I'm Sherberg. 547 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,960 >> Hello. What city do you live in? 548 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,080 >> I live in Provo. I just live off 549 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:56,720 Carterville. 550 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:57,039 >> Great. 551 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:58,960 >> I'm wondering if this is the same thing 552 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,600 as like we got a newsletter from you. 553 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,760 And you talked about the external 554 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,600 accessory units like 555 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,159 >> No, this is different. So, this is 556 00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:14,320 something that allows a a business to 557 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,240 have an individual live there who's an 558 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,120 employee to oversee the the commercial 559 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,360 business. So it was what we talked about 560 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,120 last city council meeting 561 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,360 >> they talked about it last I think 562 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,720 >> yes they did no 563 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,440 >> so is anything 564 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,960 >> no they didn't it was been to the 565 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,240 planning commission but it came 566 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,360 >> oh that's where I was at I was at the 567 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,760 planning commission so when is this 568 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,799 coming up that like 569 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:38,080 >> right now 570 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,360 >> the external 571 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,600 >> oh the external ADUs that will be 572 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,280 >> you can talk to staff and they will let 573 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,280 you know the we just talked about it in 574 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,480 our work meeting today 575 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:48,880 >> okay 576 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,480 >> so nothing voting on it. 577 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,720 >> Okay. So, nothing's passing here. So, my 578 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,200 only comment about this is I live on 579 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,440 2000 Miller and we have a country pretty 580 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,200 much a country lane on that street. I'm 581 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,039 sure most of you are aware of it. So, 582 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:07,760 I'm always concerned about parking and there's been some zone changes 583 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,200 happening there. Um, 584 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,600 and I was talking to Councilwoman McKay 585 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,280 about it, how we had, I believe it was 586 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,600 around December, there was a family that 587 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,799 there was a mom that was sick and the 588 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,400 um, the fire trucks came in and 589 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,240 ambulances and they they just had a hard 590 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,679 time getting to her because of parking 591 00:23:27,679 --> 00:23:29,200 situations 592 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,440 and um, I have a hard time getting out 593 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,000 of my driveway sometimes. It's it's I 594 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,400 know it's a citywide 595 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,360 thing to have, but I'm concerned about, 596 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,679 you know, and we live on those four 597 00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:44,000 quarter acre lots that this is going to 598 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,480 probably affect. So, I'm just asking if 599 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,080 you always take parking into 600 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,000 consideration when any of the these 601 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,360 things, and I'm thinking you probably 602 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:55,280 do, but we've lived in that area for 603 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,396 almost 50 years, and we'd like to 604 00:23:58,396 --> 00:24:02,230 [clears throat] 605 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,880 go talk to Malia over there. Thank you. 606 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,876 >> All right. Any more public com 607 00:24:08,876 --> 00:24:11,750 [laughter] 608 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,000 All right. Any council discussion? 609 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,720 Councelor 610 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,400 Bogda, 611 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,559 >> I just want to reiterate what I said 612 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,880 today during work meeting. When I was in 613 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,480 college, 614 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,760 one of the hotels, and I don't think 615 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,080 hotels are permitted in the CG zone, are 616 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,840 they, Erin? 617 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,440 Are hotels presented in the They are 618 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,880 um I actually knew of a couple of hotels 619 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,640 when I went to college that had this 620 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,400 kind of a thing where they lived on site 621 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,760 and a lot of them were taken care of by 622 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,919 college students and it was a really good thing. I don't think there 623 00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:49,600 was anything wrong with it. And so as 624 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,559 long as they're an employee and they 625 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,320 either take their shifts or do what they 626 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,080 need to do to protect the business 627 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,039 during the nighttime, I think it's a 628 00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:04,070 good I think it's a good thing to have. 629 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,279 » All right. Any more comment? Okay. All 630 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:08,799 right. We'll take a vote on the implied 631 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,919 motion. Councelor Bogdan, yes. Councelor 632 00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:13,440 Hoben, 633 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,000 >> yes. 634 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,200 >> Councelor Whipple, 635 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:15,600 >> yes. 636 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,799 >> Councelor Garrett, 637 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:17,279 >> yes. 638 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:18,960 >> Councelor McCay, yes. Councelor 639 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,520 Christensen. 640 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,000 >> Yes. 641 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,600 >> And Councelor Whitlock, 642 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,159 >> yes. 643 00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:25,039 >> That passes 7 no. Next implied motion on 644 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:26,480 an ordinance prohibiting virtual 645 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,039 currency kiosks within Provo City. Also 646 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:31,039 presented by Malia Dailyaly, our council 647 00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:38,870 policy analyst. 648 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,159 Okay, this is going to be brief. I'm 649 00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:43,520 just going to follow up on the questions 650 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,159 that council had 651 00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:48,320 during the work meeting in the beginning 652 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,000 of May. I don't remember what date that 653 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,080 was, but council asked in regarding 654 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,720 cryptocurrency ATMs, virtual currency 655 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,720 kiosks, 656 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,000 um how many there were reported fraud 657 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,240 incidents through these in our police 658 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,480 department here. So contacted our police 659 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,000 department and these are just calls that 660 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,799 were reported in Provo City and then 661 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,480 they were recorded with a fraud tag. So 662 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,000 it's kind of up to the person who's 663 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,320 recording that call whether or not it's 664 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,600 spec they specify crypto. So, as you can 665 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,799 see here, there's this says one, but 666 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:33,760 there's also hundreds of 707 fraud and 667 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,720 then 294 fraud attempted. Those might 668 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,039 have been crypto if they have a police 669 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:40,960 report attached to all of those calls 670 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,720 and we could go through and find those. 671 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,080 I just didn't go through the thousand 672 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,760 police calls that may or may not have a 673 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,520 police report, but happy to do that if 674 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,799 we would like to. Um 675 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,600 the other question main question that we 676 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,080 got was is there a time pressure that 677 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,120 plays a significant role in these types 678 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,400 of frauds? So the idea the logic being 679 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,760 if we banned them in Provo then people 680 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,080 could just go to other cities but at 681 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,520 that amount in time would that be 682 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,679 another barrier to preventing fraud and 683 00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:17,760 helping people kind of think through 684 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,320 what is happening? And there's research 685 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,000 that shows that time pressure 686 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,559 significantly impacts the viability of 687 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:27,760 scams and frauds. And so scammers try 688 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,520 and have rush deadlines and get people 689 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,960 to do things because that's when they 690 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,760 can hire high hire success. I couldn't 691 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,600 find any specific research done either 692 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,120 from a federal agency or peer-reviewed 693 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,039 talking specifically about crypto. But 694 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:44,960 if you take that same principle that's 695 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,279 well accepted about this time pressure 696 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,760 and apply it, it would seem to make 697 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,200 sense. So that's kind of the followup. 698 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,919 Oh, the other followup was where else in 699 00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:58,799 the city these are. I kept the stats the 700 00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:01,120 same about six because dependent on 701 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:04,000 which website you go to find them, it 702 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,520 changes. 703 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,520 So, and then some of the locations I 704 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,679 went to, they actually weren't there. 705 00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:15,120 So, I'm just leaving it at about six. 706 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,559 So, anyway, there's proposed um the 707 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:20,399 proposed ordinance is just a new section 708 00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:23,360 under miscellaneous criminal provisions. 709 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,520 What these definitions of what a virtual 710 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,720 kiosk would be and then just making it 711 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,534 unlawful for people to host 712 00:28:31,534 --> 00:28:32,720 [clears throat] or operate or permit 713 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,880 them. This would not make cryptocurrency 714 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,360 transactions illegal in Provo. It would 715 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,200 just mean that a business can't host it. 716 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,799 someone can't operate it, we're not 717 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:44,559 going to license it. The actual ATM for 718 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,039 cryptocurrency would be illegal, but 719 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,039 people could still do cryptocurrency 720 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:53,360 transactions on their phones, laptops, 721 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,840 anywhere else. 722 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,919 >> Thanks, Malia. Any questions for Malia? 723 00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:02,399 Councelor Whipple, were you able to talk 724 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:04,320 some to some of the business owners that 725 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,799 host these cryptocurrency ATMs in their 726 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:10,480 shops? Yeah, I talked to 727 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,200 gas station owner and they said I don't 728 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,679 know why they brought it here, but they 729 00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:18,240 just paid me money. They just leased it 730 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,039 out as a space to have it. And then they 731 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,279 said the person came and just said they 732 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:24,480 didn't want to do it anymore and they 733 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600 took the ATM. So, I think it's just a 734 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,559 revenue generating way for the business 735 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,039 to make money, just leasing space in 736 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,080 their business. Was that the case where 737 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,120 like it was a franchise and somebody 738 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,279 else told the local owner, "You have to 739 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:42,960 put this thing in?" 740 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,600 >> I don't think so. I don't know. 741 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,720 >> Okay. What I'm wondering is if if we 742 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,120 made this illegal tomorrow, would we be 743 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,960 putting some businesses in the position 744 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,240 of breaking their contracts and facing 745 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,399 some sort of adverse consequences? 746 00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:00,240 Clearly us changing the law is something 747 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,679 out of their control. But we could put a 748 00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:05,919 on all of our ordinances we usually put 749 00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:07,600 effective immediately, but we could put 750 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,120 an effective date 6 months, 12 months. 751 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,640 We could change that effective date. 752 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,279 Either I could follow up and try and 753 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:17,120 track down if there are things 754 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,880 considerations like that or we could 755 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,360 just put an effective date further out 756 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,760 and then get the word out. I would feel 757 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,600 better about that. So that it would be 758 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,760 no more can be installed, but any ones 759 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,200 that are already there, they would have 760 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,960 time to 761 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,640 close out their contracts in ways that 762 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,870 aren't hurting our businesses. 763 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,360 » Okay. Any Oh, counselor Whitlock. 764 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,120 >> So, thank you [clears throat] for doing 765 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080 the follow-up research on the uh reports 766 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,320 of fraud. 767 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,720 one maybe I'm asking you to speculate a 768 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,080 little bit here but my understanding 769 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,880 with a lot of how these 770 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,080 cryptoreated fraud happens as it 771 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,399 pertains to ATM is the the fraud itself 772 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:00,799 is not necessarily cryptoreated it's 773 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:02,399 there's some other scheme and then 774 00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:04,000 crypto is used as a way to pay the 775 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:04,880 scheme 776 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,840 >> yes 777 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,840 >> okay thank you for clarifying that and 778 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,640 then again I'm not sure I got a full 779 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,000 answer on this last time so I just want 780 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,360 to make sure we're still we're not 781 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,960 accidentally banning 782 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,520 >> we're we're or fat cats will be fine. 783 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,320 >> Fat cats is good. Any little card you 784 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,200 load at the it 785 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,720 >> that's not that doesn't count as a 786 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,760 digital currency. 787 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,080 >> Yeah. 788 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,200 >> Okay. Awesome. 789 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,919 >> All right. Anyone else? 790 00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:31,200 Counselor Bogdan. 791 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,919 >> This one's for Jeff. Did you happen to 792 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:36,320 go into one of these businesses and ask? 793 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,279 >> I did. Yes. 794 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:38,480 >> And the answer was 795 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,559 >> So, I was going to Yeah, I'll I'll share 796 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,960 what I No. So, I'll keep the the place I 797 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,799 went and checked. 798 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:46,240 uh won't say that, but I had a 799 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,320 conversation with the owner. I The way 800 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,120 that this works is they get a small 801 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,120 percentage of each transaction. I think 802 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,760 it's 1% of each transaction. And I asked 803 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,120 them how much do they make and it was it 804 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,240 used to be $100 to $200 a month and now 805 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,240 it's less than 50. And this individual 806 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,880 told me it's been declining steadily and 807 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,159 that they were thinking about removing 808 00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:09,679 it anyway because it's just taking up 809 00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:12,080 space. And then I tried to ask, you 810 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,279 know, for those who use it, do you have 811 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:14,960 a sense of why they're using it? He that 812 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,640 this individual didn't really have an an 813 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,480 understanding of that. And then I asked, 814 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,600 well, why did you get it in the first 815 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,159 place? And this was the best part was 816 00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:24,880 they were actually uh subject to a 817 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,279 cryptoreated fraud where they 818 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:28,880 essentially had what's called like 819 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,760 ransomware on their computer. And so all 820 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,960 they were locked out of all their 821 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,080 accounts and all their business accounts 822 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,399 and they had to find cryptocurrency to 823 00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:38,399 pay the person to get access to their 824 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:40,159 computer. and they couldn't figure out 825 00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:41,679 how to do it, so they wanted to 826 00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:43,440 facilitate that in the future, I guess. 827 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,440 I don't know. So, they added it to their 828 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,720 uh to their store. 829 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,240 >> What are the chances? 830 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,590 >> That was interesting in my research. 831 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,720 » And you were going to keep that to 832 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,000 yourself? 833 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,360 >> No, I was going to share it later during 834 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,440 the discussion. [laughter] 835 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,000 I'll bring I'll bring it back. 836 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,440 >> All right. Any more questions for Malia? 837 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,840 All right. Thanks, Malia. We will take 838 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,789 public comment on this item. 839 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,120 » All right, seeing no public comment, we 840 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,399 will do discussion. Now's your chance, 841 00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:19,679 Jeff. 842 00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:21,200 >> Well, since I was just talking. 843 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,360 Basically, I was on the fence about this 844 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,440 one. Uh, my family is a small business 845 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,440 owner. Uh we we own a small business, 846 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,679 Spanish Fork, and I'm always hesitant to 847 00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:32,000 pull tools from small businesses to 848 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,120 make, you know, make it uh 849 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,880 costs are high, leases are high, 850 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,519 everything's high. And so, but I mean, 851 00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:41,440 uh doing more research and this 852 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,279 particular story, this is not a major 853 00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,960 revenue source for folks. And um it's 854 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,640 hard to imagine that uh that we're going 855 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,799 to be doing substantial harm to small 856 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:56,960 businesses. I think um I think it would 857 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,880 in an ideal world I think you could add 858 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,320 additional regulations to make these 859 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,000 safer, but I don't I think at six it 860 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,440 would not be worth doing so and so I'd 861 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,240 rather just avoid a situation where uh 862 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,359 where an individual is put into a place 863 00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:12,560 where they give up their life savings uh 864 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,839 as a result from one of these things. So 865 00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:16,000 I see the risk to the public is probably 866 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,480 a lot more than the benefit um based on 867 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,520 the research I've been doing. 868 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,520 >> Thanks Jeeoff. Any other discussion, 869 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,040 Travis? Councelor Hoben. 870 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,919 >> Um, well, I think typically it would be 871 00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:33,919 smaller transactions at an ATM. You'd be 872 00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:35,440 more likely to lose your life savings 873 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,320 through like a 874 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,079 >> digital transaction. Yeah. Something 875 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,639 online or whatever cuz the ATMs you put 876 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,639 cash in and then it trans um it it 877 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,040 basically exchanges it for the crypto or 878 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,879 you can deposit into somebody else's 879 00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,399 account. They give you a QR code or 880 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:56,240 whatever. Um, but my I guess in the end 881 00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:57,920 there's six of these I think in Provo 882 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,920 that we looked at. So, it's not going to 883 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,960 be like a end- all beall for any anybody 884 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,160 whether it be a business or an 885 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,240 individual. I I would just say in 886 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,800 general I think 887 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,160 crypto ATMs are probably not riskier 888 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,599 than a lot of other means of 889 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:19,200 transacting. Um, and that ultimately 890 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,520 people can get scammed in a lot of 891 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,200 different ways and we don't shut those 892 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,880 things down necessarily. I think we have 893 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,280 a unique opportunity to like to do that 894 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,160 here. Um, so we're taking it, but I just 895 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,359 I don't see the necessity of it in that 896 00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:37,440 my guess is that this probably isn't 897 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,440 something that's happening regularly 898 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,800 that people aren't getting scammed at 899 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,079 these things. I would venture to say 900 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,079 that most of the transactions happening 901 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:45,520 at these would be legitimate 902 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,760 transactions. So that's why I would say 903 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,119 keep it in place. Um 904 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,760 and I 905 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,000 just don't necessarily see it as 906 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,359 something that government needs to like 907 00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:00,720 step in and do. So I would say let's 908 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,400 just keep them. Most transactions 909 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,960 probably are legit and we're just 910 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,440 removing a way for certain people to to 911 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,440 transact. Maybe the underbanked or the 912 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,800 unbanked. But um 913 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,280 at the same time not going to be an end- 914 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,160 all beall for anybody I'm sure. So they 915 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,520 can go to Warren. 916 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,839 [laughter] 917 00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:24,450 >> All right. Any other discussion? 918 00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:25,599 [clears throat] 919 00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,520 Councelor Garrett, 920 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,000 >> Travis, to your uh earlier comments in 921 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,040 the work session about residents who fit 922 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,160 into a cat a demographic of being uh 923 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,960 unbanked or where this is their source 924 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,000 of u banking services. Have you had any 925 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,920 more thoughts about that or any research 926 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,480 on that? 927 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,359 >> No, I'm just speaking broadly from like 928 00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:51,520 if you look at a lot of the data on who 929 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,119 utilizes crypto, it's typically a 930 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:56,640 younger demographic. It's typically a um 931 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,520 sometimes it's a underbanked or unbanked 932 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,200 uh demographic. Um people who maybe 933 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,440 don't qualify for a traditional account 934 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,680 or something like that. Um maybe they've 935 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,839 had too many, you know, overdrafts and 936 00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:11,280 they got kicked out of their bank type 937 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,280 thing. So, it's those type of people 938 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,920 that or and there's also a contingency 939 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,079 of people who just don't trust the 940 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,160 government or believe in this kind of 941 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,920 like um um it's not an anti-government 942 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,839 sentiment, but just like a I don't I 943 00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:29,520 don't want to I don't want to be reliant 944 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,240 on the bank and and be, you know, um 945 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,680 subject to the man and you know. So, um 946 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,119 it's just a certain demographic that 947 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,480 uses them. just speaking from experience 948 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,119 but also just research I've done on 949 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,520 crypto in general. I somewhat of a 950 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,280 blockchain and crypto enthusiast on the 951 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,960 side personally. So, 952 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,240 >> okay. Thank you, Travis. 953 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,800 >> Councelor Hobin. So, is the unbanked use 954 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,640 case effectively they have a wallet and 955 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,480 then they're depositing their cash and 956 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,320 transferring crypto to their own wallet? 957 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,400 >> Yeah. Um, so let's say I can't get a 958 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,160 traditional bank account because I've uh overdrawn an account in the past 959 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,760 and I'm on the watch list that they 960 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,079 have. I used to work in banking, so we 961 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,160 run and anytime you open an account, you 962 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,720 have to pass a a verification basically. 963 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,076 And if you've done too much of like 964 00:38:19,076 --> 00:38:21,599 [snorts] overdraw my account or whatever 965 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,599 in the past, you can't necessarily get 966 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,359 approved at most financial institutions. 967 00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:26,880 So those people tend to use a lot of 968 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,160 like check caching um like a check city 969 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,839 um and crypto to do transacting. Um they 970 00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:35,839 might keep their crypto wallet on their 971 00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:37,280 phone typically that's how they'll do 972 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,520 it. But this the crypto ATMs are how 973 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,400 they get the cash into the wallet if 974 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,119 that makes sense. Cuz otherwise, you 975 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:46,960 know, crypto is digital currency, so 976 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,680 there's no way to kind of turn that into 977 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,440 cash or sorry, into the the crypto from 978 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,109 cash. 979 00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,520 » Councelor Bogda, 980 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,320 >> I felt similar to Travis. I don't think 981 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560 that this is something that we should 982 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,920 ban. So, I'll vote no on this one. 983 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,280 >> All right. Any more comments? 984 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,000 >> Oh, go ahead. 985 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,440 >> Sorry. I was say, yeah, it's it's it's 986 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,760 tricky because it's like there's six of 987 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,000 these and it's it's um I don't know if 988 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,240 we're solving a real problem, per se, 989 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,960 but we may be preventing one. It's hard 990 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,950 to say. 991 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,320 » This is this is actually an example of 992 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,280 citizen emailing us and asking us for 993 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,800 this. due to fraud. And so it's just 994 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,520 your emails can matter. Then we can do 995 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,520 things based on them and look into them. 996 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:44,960 And you know, it's it's from citizens 997 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,880 that we get a lot of our ideas and find 998 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,920 problems that they want a solution for. 999 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,599 And that doesn't mean everyone wants a 1000 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,079 solution for it or it's always, you 1001 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,800 know, gets to a voting stage, but you 1002 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,040 know, it helps us look into things. All 1003 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,480 right, we'll take a vote on the applied 1004 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,960 motion. It's like 1005 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,040 >> just wanted to double check if you want 1006 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,280 there is a 60-day 1007 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,079 >> Oh, 1008 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,119 >> effective date from It would be from 1009 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:11,920 today. 1010 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,280 >> Okay. Oh, is there already 60 days? I 1011 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,320 was just saying 1012 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,960 >> there was some brief discussion on 1013 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,440 extending that the emotion. 1014 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,800 >> Yeah. 6 months. 1015 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,480 >> It would just be the effective date of 1016 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,560 the ordinance. 1017 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,440 >> I think making that time period a little 1018 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,440 bit longer is good. And if anybody 1019 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,359 wanted to try to put one in knowing that 1020 00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:35,520 it would become illegal in 6 months, 1021 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,839 that is their choice and they would have 1022 00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:40,640 to get rid of it in the 6 months. So I 1023 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,680 think that's fine. So 1024 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,000 would what I need to do is to make a 1025 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,240 motion to amend 1026 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,560 the implied resolution to change the 1027 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,200 effective date to be 6 months instead of 1028 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,880 60 days. 1029 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:55,920 >> Yes, 1030 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,560 >> I do that now. Do you have that well 1031 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,960 enough in the record, Kevin? Excellent. 1032 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,960 >> And I I would second that. 1033 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,160 >> All right. 1034 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,119 >> So, a vote on the substitute. We will 1035 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:10,560 take a vote on the sub. 1036 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,920 >> Sorry. Sorry. Let me just clarify that 1037 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,119 Kevin and I are on the same page about 1038 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,599 it. So, Malia, this is the actual text. 1039 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,893 >> Yeah. So, I was thinking maybe we 1040 00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:19,119 [clears throat] change the effective 1041 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,520 date of the ordinance to be four months 1042 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,440 from now and then the 60 days would make 1043 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,200 it six months. So, we don't have to 1044 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,640 change the ordinance and just change 1045 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,040 this. 1046 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,720 >> Yes. Is that your motion? Okay. That 1047 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:30,640 makes sense. Because what I was worried 1048 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,359 about was it doesn't take effect until 1049 00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:34,800 six months and then they have 60 days 1050 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,040 after. 1051 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,839 >> Yes, exactly. So four months on the 1052 00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:39,280 effective date of the ordinance and then 1053 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,599 the text has the additional 60. 1054 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:45,200 >> Yes. Kevin, do you have that? 1055 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,760 >> Yes. 1056 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,560 >> We'll just change that. 1057 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,160 >> No, just change the effective date here 1058 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:50,720 to be 1059 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,160 >> just change that paragraph C to 1060 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,079 >> Oh, okay. So, we'll have to go. 1061 00:41:58,079 --> 00:41:59,839 >> Well, we need to here. Let's just vote 1062 00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:01,680 on I this one. I think since it's not 1063 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,560 actually the text of the of the motion, 1064 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,880 I think it's okay. I'm just saying 1065 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,319 before we because we haven't voted on 1066 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:09,119 the motion yet. Right. 1067 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:09,520 >> Right. No. 1068 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,000 >> So, the motion is to change part two 1069 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,640 paragraph C to say this ordinance takes 1070 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,280 effect four months from the date of 1071 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,839 passage. 1072 00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:20,720 >> Yes. 1073 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:21,200 >> Okay. 1074 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,680 Thank you, Brian. 1075 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,240 All right. So, we will take a vote on 1076 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,119 the substitute motion. 1077 00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:33,109 Councelor Hoben. 1078 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,200 » So, I'm just Am I just voting on the six 1079 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:35,920 months? Yes. 1080 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,359 >> Or Yes. And then 1081 00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:38,640 >> voting on the six months and then we'll 1082 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,079 go back and vote on the whole thing. 1083 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:41,119 >> Yes. 1084 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:42,560 >> Councelor Whipple? 1085 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,319 >> Yes. Councelor Garrett? 1086 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:44,800 >> Yes. 1087 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,480 >> Councelor McKay? Yes. Councelor 1088 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,599 Christensen? 1089 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,119 >> Councelor Whitlock? 1090 00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:49,599 >> Yes. 1091 00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:50,800 >> Councelor Bogdan? 1092 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,160 >> Yes. 1093 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,920 >> All right. And now we will take a vote 1094 00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:07,270 on the implied motion. Councelor 1095 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,319 » quick question. While they're while 1096 00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:10,400 they're doing that, do we would we have 1097 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,400 somebody maybe call these six businesses 1098 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,920 that have one of these and say, "Hey, 1099 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,160 FYI, this just passed and you'll have to 1100 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:16,960 take this out." 1101 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,560 >> I can reach out to the administration 1102 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,040 and figure out how we criminal code. If 1103 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,599 it were 600, I'd say, you know, oh well. 1104 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,400 But if if it's just six of them, it 1105 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,200 seems like 1106 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,960 >> I don't know the notification we do for 1107 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,359 new criminal code, but I figure that out 1108 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:32,240 and follow up. 1109 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:36,230 >> Thanks. 1110 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,560 » Are we good voting now, Brian? 1111 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:39,839 >> All right, we're going to take a vote on 1112 00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:43,520 the implied motion. Councelor Whimble, 1113 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,280 >> yes. Councelor Garrett, 1114 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:45,839 >> yes. 1115 00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:47,520 >> Councelor McKay, yes. Councelor 1116 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,720 Christensen, 1117 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,119 >> yes. Councelor Whitlock, 1118 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:51,760 >> yes. 1119 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,040 >> Councelor Bogden, 1120 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,680 >> no. 1121 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,800 >> Councelor Hoben, 1122 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,440 >> no. 1123 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,920 >> So that passes 52. 1124 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,359 >> And if there's no objection, we'll now 1125 00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:01,040 adjourn the promisal council by 1126 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,839 unanimous consent.