1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,400 paying a unionized 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,080 public staff and right 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,709 not the best while 4 00:00:12,719 --> 00:00:28,950 we were out running 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,630 » I can't remember what 6 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,800 our menu is smaller 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,559 options. 8 00:00:36,559 --> 00:00:39,040 >> Most of them aren't very good. 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,040 >> Of course, the Supreme Court of 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:48,549 Mississippi 11 00:00:48,559 --> 00:00:51,760 based upon the fact that you cannot 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,920 >> you cannot there's not evidence that the 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,600 owner of the car was the person 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,920 operating the car. 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,359 So the reason why 16 00:01:01,359 --> 00:01:07,830 state legislator 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,920 was they started tracking nationally. 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,360 >> Yeah. 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,520 >> You can't confront your like rank it by 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,479 spice level. 21 00:01:16,479 --> 00:01:18,799 >> But it's it's it's so weird because like 22 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:29,350 why are traffic laws the only 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,799 I haven't thought of that. I don't know 24 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:32,479 if that 25 00:01:32,479 --> 00:01:35,520 if I if I steal on my taxes or murder my 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:36,640 neighbor, 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,560 >> presumably a cop didn't have to watch it 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:48,149 happen in order to be 29 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:50,960 actually Arizona turned off their 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,880 traffic cameras had. And the reason why 31 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,399 was because the data license plates and 32 00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:00,719 tracking them was being given by they 33 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:03,759 were using a commercial 34 00:02:03,759 --> 00:02:07,749 and the data 35 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:17,030 was tracking. 36 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:33,030 » Yeah, that's not what it was. 37 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,599 of course by you can't drive on property 38 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:42,070 without a license 39 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,319 in the name of safety and security is 40 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:50,470 what they're justified 41 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,239 with 42 00:02:52,239 --> 00:02:54,640 like 43 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,400 >> recording in progress. 44 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,440 >> I'd like to support the small 45 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:05,350 independent restaurant. 46 00:03:05,360 --> 00:04:33,909 » I feel like critical public safety. 47 00:04:33,919 --> 00:04:43,110 Burgersley, 48 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:50,230 but they have really good 49 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:57,510 GLP. So, like I can't even finish. 50 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:04,870 My big fro. 51 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,960 » I think every place sells better pizza 52 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,790 if they had more beer. 53 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:17,830 » I wouldn't be doing the beer. 54 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:20,320 » Yeah. It's not It's not what it That's 55 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,120 for sure. 56 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,120 >> I feel a little meeting at a nursing 57 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,310 home. 58 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:33,990 » Yeah. 59 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,919 We should all 60 00:05:35,919 --> 00:05:42,070 see 61 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,990 this. 62 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,840 Okay, channel 17, if you're ready, 63 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:51,199 please start recording. 64 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:53,360 >> You. 65 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,120 Okay, 66 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,080 >> I will first excuse Beth Province. I 67 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,960 understand she's attending perhaps the 68 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,320 birth of a new grandchild. 69 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,479 >> Yeah, her daughter 70 00:06:04,479 --> 00:06:06,560 first. 71 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,400 >> I will be conducting the meeting today 72 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,160 and I'll start with introductions. I'm 73 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,120 Noah Gordon, the vice chair and then uh 74 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,960 let's actually start with those online 75 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,560 and I believe at least there's Kendall. 76 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,639 if you want to 77 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:24,710 introduce yourself 78 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,919 and give us a tour of your house 79 00:06:27,919 --> 00:06:31,110 >> virtually, 80 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,960 but you are muted in case you were 81 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:40,309 trying to make a verbal introduction. 82 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:42,800 While she's sorting that out, let's go 83 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,560 around the room. Let's start 84 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,240 at public works. 85 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,240 Candy, public works. 86 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,560 >> Development services, 87 00:06:52,560 --> 00:07:06,710 team act, 88 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:17,670 » Richard Gentivity. 89 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,759 And I'm Khan Shu with the ProA City 90 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:21,360 Public Works. 91 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,039 >> And I failed to do the two things that 92 00:07:23,039 --> 00:07:25,199 Kayhan asked me to do, which are to 93 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:28,000 state the date, which is Thursday, June 94 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,039 11th, 2026. We started this meeting at 95 00:07:31,039 --> 00:07:34,160 12:30 p.m. It's now 12:32. 96 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,280 And um should have asked you each also 97 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,520 to state whether you had a conflict or 98 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,479 interest, conflict of interest or not 99 00:07:42,479 --> 00:07:44,479 with any of the items on the agenda 100 00:07:44,479 --> 00:07:46,560 today. So does anyone now that you've 101 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,160 already made your introductions any of 102 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,309 you have a conflict of interest 103 00:07:52,319 --> 00:07:54,080 speak now or have no conflict of 104 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,840 interest? Apparently none. Excellent. 105 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,440 First item of business is to uh an 106 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,360 action item to approve the minutes from 107 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,840 the May 21st, 2026 meeting. 108 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,160 Anyone like to approve the minutes? 109 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Entertaining a motion. 110 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,039 I would like to approve the minutes. I 111 00:08:15,039 --> 00:08:16,240 read that and I thought they were 112 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,440 accurate. 113 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,000 >> Excellent. Anyone can second that. That 114 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:27,029 was Greg McLot 115 00:08:27,039 --> 00:08:30,080 and a second. So that is all in favor 116 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,280 say I. 117 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,519 >> I 118 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:36,320 opposed. 119 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,159 >> All right. The next item is the east 120 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:42,479 west connectivity discussion and uh are 121 00:08:42,479 --> 00:08:44,000 you leading that discussion? 122 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,560 >> I I think that uh we'll refresh 123 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,800 everybody's memory a little bit but we 124 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,920 did give a presentation uh last month. 125 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,000 Uh we can quickly go to that and just 126 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,600 share a little bit of reminder of what 127 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,760 that looked like. But what we ended up 128 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,920 doing is uh 129 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,720 carrying out the request of the T-MAC to 130 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,600 look at East West connectivity, what the 131 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,720 general plan uh what the land use plan 132 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,560 said, what the transportation master 133 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:17,120 plan said, um what the regional 134 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,680 transportation plan said, and what it 135 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:22,480 was drafted at. We just provided all the 136 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,279 references to that. And then we looked 137 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:30,800 at um east west connectivity by using um 138 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,040 level service analysis from the highway 139 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,519 capacity manual for corridor level 140 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:37,920 service. And we looked at volumes along 141 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,160 there. And so people kind of get an idea 142 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,440 of of where our percentage by segment of 143 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,519 uh east west connectivity and what 144 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:49,440 percentage of the capacity is being used 145 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,880 for a level of service need. Again, that 146 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,279 doesn't mean it's failing by any means. 147 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:59,519 Um, but when you get over that 100% of 148 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:01,120 the level of service D, you start move 149 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,680 into that ENF category and you 150 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:06,399 experience uh congestion more 151 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:09,600 frequently. So, we have those up there. 152 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,839 We have the plans up there. If you 153 00:10:11,839 --> 00:10:13,519 wanted to reference any portion of 154 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:19,839 those, you're we can go to the maps or look at anything. We we did discuss 155 00:10:19,839 --> 00:10:21,680 level of service. I believe Greg and I 156 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:26,079 had a good discussion on that and um 157 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:28,160 pointed out a few things about what that 158 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,640 means and what it doesn't mean. I think 159 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,160 that was healthy as well. So, right now 160 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,160 it's we we talked about some of the 161 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,720 barriers. Uh we know that the railroad 162 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,120 tracks, the railroad corridor, the I-15 163 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,959 corridor, even the Provo River, which is 164 00:10:44,959 --> 00:10:49,279 great, um is also a barrier to east west 165 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:51,680 transportation and mobility and 166 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:56,000 connectivity. And so we kind of just 167 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,640 then also talked about some of the the 168 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,279 progress we have made over the years, 169 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:04,959 couple decades of providing additional 170 00:11:04,959 --> 00:11:06,560 connectivity 171 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,959 uh with the construction planning and 172 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:12,160 construction of Lake View Parkway. um 173 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,600 the 500 West underpass at I-15 174 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,800 and then also the connectivity that uh 175 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,040 we have at 920 176 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:27,600 820 north and uh up at 2000. That's about it. Some of those 177 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,160 connections. So hopefully that 178 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,880 summarizes what we've talked about and 179 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,279 now we get to hear and discuss what our 180 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,360 concerns are about east west 181 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,920 connectivity and how to try to attempt 182 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,920 to solve some of those east west 183 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:51,910 connectivity mobility challenges. 184 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,440 You go to one of the maps. 185 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:59,509 >> Yeah, 186 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:01,760 » we started from north to south, I think 187 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,399 I did, and started on the north end of 188 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:06,480 Provo and worked our way down south. So, 189 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,360 whatever map you're wanting, it should 190 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:17,990 be in here. 191 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:18,720 you want to go to? 192 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,560 >> Well, I just I wanted to see things sort 193 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:21,600 of in context. 194 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,519 >> Okay. 195 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:26,320 >> Um, 196 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,440 one of one of the frustrating 197 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,519 discussions, one of the frustrating 198 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:31,120 elements of this East West connectivity 199 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,480 discussion is people say Provo lacks 200 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,560 east west connectivity 201 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,800 and every person who says that means 202 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:44,399 something different, right? And this is kind of where I I think I wanted 203 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:46,399 to have these conversations in this way, 204 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:48,399 right? There is there's the barrier of 205 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:51,120 I-15, the railroad there. There's the 206 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,600 barrier of the Provo River, which is 207 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,600 sort of coincidental to that in much of 208 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,680 the city. And then there's the barrier 209 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,160 of BYU and the fact that we lose the 210 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,560 grid system north of Cougar and like all 211 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:05,279 those other things that that that happen 212 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:08,399 north of Cougar and south of 600. Um, 213 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:12,160 and that all of those 214 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,079 are things that people can mean when 215 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:16,959 they talk about east west connectivity. 216 00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:21,680 Um, so I guess I'm I'm curious what 217 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:23,920 I think when when you ask people in the 218 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,639 tree streets where I grew up or know 219 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,800 Edgemont or neighborhoods going north, 220 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,720 you know, they're they're frustrated by 221 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,880 how long it takes to get across 222 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,440 University Avenue into ORM or around 223 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,240 BYU. When you talk to people west of the 224 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,360 freeway, they're frustrated by how long 225 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,279 it takes them to get across the freeway 226 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:45,200 into Provo. 227 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,440 Um, and I guess I'm I'm curious, do you 228 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,000 have 229 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,680 like 230 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:54,399 OD data? Can you get OD data? Is there 231 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:57,920 survey data that that can inform 232 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,880 obviously not this discussion today, but 233 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,639 the discussion that we may have over the 234 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:05,600 next couple months, right? like when 235 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,160 >> can we classify this this question of 236 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,000 east west connectivity by neighborhood 237 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,199 because it's probably different in every 238 00:14:11,199 --> 00:14:12,000 neighborhood. 239 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,760 >> Yeah, you're really talking geography 240 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,880 the way you explained what people's 241 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,199 difference opinions may be. 242 00:14:19,199 --> 00:14:20,720 >> Um 243 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,639 when it comes to origin and destination 244 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:26,079 data, we can take a look at that. Um 245 00:14:26,079 --> 00:14:31,680 I'll have to work with MAC to do so. Um 246 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:37,360 or I would have to hire a consultant to take a look at those OD datas by by 247 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,600 traffic analysis zone. But I I think we 248 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,199 could get back to help me out there a 249 00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:44,320 little bit and maybe assemble some 250 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,760 houses and take a look at where people 251 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,760 are going within Provo. I think that 252 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,079 would be very helpful to see where 253 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:54,959 people within Provo are traveling to and 254 00:14:54,959 --> 00:14:58,160 from. So I can try to work on that for 255 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,000 the month of Well, you're presenting in 256 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:00,639 August, right? 257 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:02,320 >> I'm presenting in August and I will 258 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,839 present some of that, but it's not real 259 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:05,839 data. It's just model behavior. It's 260 00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:07,839 sort of like point of interest type 261 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:09,519 thing. So it would be good to have that 262 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:10,320 as well. 263 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,000 >> I'm sure I'm sure Mag would be happy to 264 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,440 just give you a trip table from their 265 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:14,240 model run. 266 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,320 >> Yeah, let let's let's see what we can 267 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,440 find there. I just when we do O andd 268 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,040 data origin and destination data it's 269 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,000 really important to show that visually 270 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,240 most people won't understand right 271 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,240 >> so we want to be able to show that 272 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,600 visually and and I've created some maps 273 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,079 20 plus years ago in which um 274 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:40,399 which does work very well at showing 275 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:42,480 those so let me see if I can 276 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,720 >> well when we had the presentation by Mac 277 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,600 earlier in the here. He showed you know 278 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,120 effectively districtto district OD 279 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,959 tables 280 00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:54,639 but they had internal provo trips 281 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:57,279 removed from them. Right. And that was 282 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:58,480 all countywide. 283 00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:59,040 >> That's right. 284 00:15:59,040 --> 00:15:59,519 >> Right. 285 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:02,079 >> But it it'd be cool to see like okay for 286 00:16:02,079 --> 00:16:04,240 each of these, you know, seven or eight 287 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,399 districts in Provo, 288 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:08,480 where do the trips that originate there 289 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,839 go to? Right. 290 00:16:09,839 --> 00:16:12,399 >> Let's see what I can do. Very good 291 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:13,600 point. 292 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,800 Why don't you start with one and talk 293 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,800 about center street? 294 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,839 >> Easy one to talk about. It's the heart 295 00:16:19,839 --> 00:16:22,720 right into the Provo, right? 296 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,839 >> Transportation street. 297 00:16:23,839 --> 00:16:26,079 >> Did you recognize that they did a 298 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:29,440 terrible terrible thing? 299 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,399 >> Right. 300 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,759 >> They they get told that quite often? 301 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:35,759 >> Like I mean is the accident rate for 302 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:37,519 that one higher than other designed 303 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:38,720 interchanges? 304 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,920 >> Oh yes. without quantifiable data that 305 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,360 >> in the two years after it opened, it was 306 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,279 the deadliest interstate interchange in 307 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:46,560 the state. 308 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,720 >> It's also the hot spot for accidents in 309 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:49,920 Provo, right? Isn't it? 310 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,199 >> It is. It is. 311 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:52,800 >> It has gone the number of fatal crashes 312 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,560 has gone down a lot since they did make 313 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:55,759 a couple of improvements. 314 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,000 >> Yeah, they made those lights advanced 315 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:58,880 warning lights, 316 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,880 >> but it's still not where they wanted. 317 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,759 And I it's actually a very good teaching 318 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,110 example for me. 319 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:09,760 I wonder like I lived in I lived in 320 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,600 South East Provo and 321 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,679 I was on that road all the time. It's a 322 00:17:15,679 --> 00:17:19,600 freeway, right? And I wonder like we 323 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,760 it's the worst freeway access road. No 324 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,280 one should be going on a 15 mile road 325 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,280 downtown 326 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,319 way ever. Like it's terrible. 327 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:32,080 And I think we need to, you know, 328 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,919 maybe we'll do a plaza there someday. 329 00:17:33,919 --> 00:17:34,880 You know, who knows what'll happen with 330 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,880 Center Street, but it'll be improved on. 331 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,039 But I feel like we need to make a We do 332 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:40,640 need a commuting road. You need a 333 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,320 freeway road. You need something that's 334 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,520 quick for all of 335 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,679 the east side and west side to get over 336 00:17:47,679 --> 00:17:50,400 to freeway. 337 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,400 But it seems like we should be having a 338 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,480 very concerted effort to make 100 or 339 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,320 200, I would assume it would be 100, but 340 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,679 I don't know, the road like signage. And 341 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:01,200 it should be set up that way. And it 342 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,200 should be a really good turn into the 343 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,880 freeway where you know two lanes are 344 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,200 going right to the those lights are all 345 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,440 set up so when you start going over C 346 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,360 street you're right onto the freeway 347 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:15,600 could be set up as a freeway road a 348 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,440 muting road. I'm wondering what is that 349 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:20,720 what could be done there? Is that 350 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,120 something that is done or 351 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,840 >> um really good point. First North is a 352 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,120 fourlane facility. um five if you count 353 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:32,960 the center turn lane. And with that, we 354 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,840 have it signed uh posted speed limits 355 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,720 35. It's larger than it's higher than 356 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,840 any of our other downtown roads that are 357 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,160 Provo Cities. Um we do try to funnel 358 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,520 people uh to First North. We all know 359 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:50,960 that the 360 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,720 >> How do we fun them? Well, that heavy 361 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,080 left turn from from 362 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,720 Yeah. 500 from Center Street is the and 363 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,760 we've implemented 364 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,000 um a slower speed limit on Center Street 365 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,360 at 15 miles an hour. We've in 366 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:14,799 implemented raised crosswalks to remind 367 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:15,919 people that it's more of a 368 00:19:15,919 --> 00:19:18,400 pedestrianoriented facility even though 369 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,039 we still have 20,000 vehicles on that 370 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:22,480 road. But like could we do sign that 371 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,799 said you know for I5 and put it on 100 372 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:26,960 coming off university to turn right. 373 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,919 >> I think the challenge is not just 374 00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:33,039 leaving Provo going to the freeway but 375 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:34,559 like a lot of the trips and this is 376 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:36,240 where the OD analysis would be helpful. 377 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,160 I think a lot of the trips are using 378 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,919 center street are coming from further 379 00:19:39,919 --> 00:19:42,799 east than University Avenue. 100 North 380 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:44,960 is a great facility between 500 and 381 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,720 University and then it becomes a 382 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,440 residential street east of University 383 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,160 >> and in fact it ends at Provo Peaks and 384 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,440 so it doesn't go past 600 East and so 385 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,520 that that means its utility as as a as a 386 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,080 road to get to BYU for instance or even 387 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,240 to the State Hospital or any of the 388 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,960 neighborhoods east of downtown is pretty 389 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,440 limited. And and my suspicion is that a 390 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:10,799 lot of the people who continue to use 391 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:14,880 Center Street are going somewhere east 392 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,840 of east of University 393 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,200 or 100 doesn't go and 200 doesn't go 394 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,360 either. And and really like the next 395 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,200 street that does is fifth. 396 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,159 >> So is there it only gets to 70s 397 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:30,080 >> and that only gets to 70s. That's right. 398 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,159 Is there a way to make it like like we 399 00:20:32,159 --> 00:20:33,919 make a plan and make it usable and make 400 00:20:33,919 --> 00:20:37,120 it the best way to go and make it 401 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:39,840 >> it would require changing the 402 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,240 neighborhood east of University pretty 403 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,840 substantially. 404 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,600 So I think I think it would be 405 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,280 there would be political challenges with 406 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,120 that as like with any of these that 407 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,559 we're talking about. 408 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:53,520 >> Yes, that would be. 409 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,909 >> Yeah. Sorry. You live on that street. 410 00:20:57,919 --> 00:20:59,679 Sorry. 411 00:20:59,679 --> 00:21:01,280 So, this is going to appear that I have 412 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,039 a conflict of interest because it would 413 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:04,720 be to my advantage if all that traffic 414 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,640 went past my store on the corner of 415 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,039 South at 500 West. 416 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:10,960 >> But I've I've often wondered because 417 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,120 Third South is 418 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:16,159 if it were, you know, at Center Street 419 00:21:16,159 --> 00:21:19,360 would be the obvious choice for getting 420 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:21,440 through that part of downtown, but it's 421 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,919 three blocks south. And I wonder why in 422 00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:25,120 all the discussions, why do we keep 423 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:27,520 talking about First North? U DOT's 424 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,120 already got this road. It's a highway. 425 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:33,600 It goes all the way to 900 East. Um, why 426 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,280 aren't we shunning traffic that way? Is 427 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,120 it Is it Is it the people that are using 428 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:38,799 that road don't want to? It's too far 429 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:40,000 out of the way from the direction 430 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,559 they're headed. 431 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:43,600 >> I think they're trying to go to 432 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,400 northeast Provo. 433 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,000 >> Three blocks to the south. That saves 434 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,750 you five minutes. 435 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,440 » Well, it could center street 436 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,679 energy like above you. Well, and but you 437 00:21:57,679 --> 00:21:58,799 see that too because there's you've got 438 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,039 the double left turn lanes going from 439 00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:03,039 fifth west northbound onto center street 440 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:05,039 and that cues very long every all the 441 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:07,120 time also. So there are people using 442 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:11,830 that for that. 443 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,840 » Uh it's it's really unfortunate that 444 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,520 roads are laid out the way they are. 445 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,480 I I think I think a lot of people would 446 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,720 say we are forced to have the roads laid 447 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,280 out the way we are if you grew up back 448 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,240 east somewhere where there you know it's 449 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,240 not a non-grid pattern right um back to 450 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,240 the interchange the interchange um just 451 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,120 so everybody's aware 2028 I think 452 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,200 they're slated to do that southbound 453 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,320 ramp and remove the 454 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,520 >> the hill if you will. Yeah. So, the 455 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,480 southbound off-ramp on I-15 at Center 456 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,960 Street interchange will be under 457 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,120 construction that will likely take 458 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,240 >> Are they going to redo the whole 459 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:58,880 interchange? 460 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,880 >> No, no, just the ramp. Just the 461 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,480 southbound ramp and it will take like 462 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,640 two months and it will be painful. 463 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,480 >> When you say southbound ramp, then 464 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,720 you're not talking about the ramp to 465 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,400 Salt Lake. You're talking about like 466 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,000 coming off. 467 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000 >> Yeah. Southbound off ramp. Instead of 468 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,559 waiting at that traffic light 469 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:20,320 >> when you come off southbound, you wait 470 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,559 at that traffic light and then go up the 471 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:23,840 hill and around. They're going to be 472 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,039 able to fly over over that. So that's 473 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:28,720 that will no longer have a traffic light 474 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,950 there for that movement. 475 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,320 » That's the most dangerous part. 476 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,880 >> That is the most dangerous current part. 477 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,960 >> You have that emergency. 478 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,480 >> Well, yeah. You you've got the the 479 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,960 people going southbound on I-15 from 480 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,039 eastbound center street who have to come 481 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:47,760 over and then do the weave looking over 482 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,159 their back shoulder. This is the kind of 483 00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:52,159 thing that should have been identified 484 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:55,039 in the design stage and I can't believe 485 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,840 it was not. 486 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,679 >> This is southbound ramp right here 487 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:02,240 coming off the interstate. 488 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,640 Um this was the big crash area people 489 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,159 come on. There's a little bit of a rise 490 00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:10,320 or a heel here. They've come in. They 491 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,080 had a lot of rear end crashes with 492 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,520 traffic at the stopped at the signal. 493 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,679 They've since put advanced uh yellow 494 00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:19,520 flashing lights to warn people that 495 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,919 traffic is backed up, but then you got 496 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:26,960 this whole mess, right? You get anyway. 497 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,440 Um, so we know that that's U DOT. Um, 498 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,440 years ago we explored the possibility of 499 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,400 one-way couplets, but once the Center 500 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,400 Street Temple was announced or the 501 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,039 downtown temple was announced, the 502 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:43,600 council, they knew what they were doing. 503 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,400 We made it perfectly clear that we'll 504 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,720 forever lose the possibility of oneway 505 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,679 couplets on first south and first 506 00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:54,799 >> be 100 north, westbound only, street 507 00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:55,600 eastbound only. 508 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,600 >> Yeah. But every a lot of cities have 509 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,000 done that and most of the cities that 510 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,880 have done it are trying to undo them. 511 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,919 >> I love when Colorado's a prime example. 512 00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:06,880 >> I hate it. 513 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,520 >> Yeah. Raleigh has like three sets of 514 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,080 one-way couplets through the middle of 515 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,760 >> And why are they trying to under? 516 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,640 >> Because it it turns your center into a 517 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,760 basically a freeway 518 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,760 >> throughway instead and all the 519 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:25,590 businesses die. 520 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,520 Yeah, better. 521 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,120 >> But that's right. They they they get 522 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,200 people through the city so they don't 523 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,159 actually like stop and buy things. 524 00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:37,039 >> I thought the problem is downtown want 525 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:38,720 it to be a still area where people go 526 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:46,710 and stop. 527 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,919 » Well, I'm glad to hear that they plan to 528 00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:55,269 make 529 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:58,549 I'm also 530 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:01,440 » Yeah. Center Street from the interstate, 531 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,360 well, all the way from Ste Road went um 532 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,480 all the way to the state hospital 533 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,799 >> and it was a state route then. Even 534 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,440 Ninth East was a former state route at 535 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,760 one time. And so, uh now their state 536 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,000 route ends at Fifth West. We own it, 537 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,830 maintain it, anything east of fiscal 538 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,279 » because when you're talking about that 539 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,880 east connect city crossingway 540 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,880 center, it's also just terrible because 541 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,840 of the way the interchange is designed 542 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,679 on a bicycle. 543 00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:41,760 >> I don't know that this proposed change 544 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,760 helps with that at all. 545 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:44,720 >> It will not. No. 546 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,000 >> Yeah. 547 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,960 I mean it will it will remove some of 548 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,080 the conflicts 549 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,120 >> right 550 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,760 >> uh and it will make that light we could 551 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,159 time it so that it's not prioritizing 552 00:26:56,159 --> 00:27:00,159 that outbound off ramp movement so it 553 00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:02,799 will become marginally better but not 554 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:15,510 potentially so 555 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,840 Yeah, I'm not sure there's any one 556 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,320 silver bullet or any um easy lowhanging 557 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,960 fruit on center street. I will say I 558 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,520 will say like we mentioned this in the 559 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,600 meeting last time the the constraints 560 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600 that the UD do engineers and their 561 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,200 consultants were working on with this 562 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,640 project from my understanding I was not 563 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,679 around for it then um the design that 564 00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:40,559 they came up with was done in a manner 565 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,400 that number one would keep the center 566 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,159 street interchange open through the 567 00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:46,480 construction uh because that was the 568 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,480 expressed desire of the city council. 569 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,080 They couldn't build the new interchange 570 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,840 where the old interchange was and keep 571 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,840 it open. shortsighted. 572 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,440 >> It was It was shortsighted. The other 573 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,559 constraint that they were working with 574 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,480 is that this design actually does 575 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,480 maximize the amount of developable area 576 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,279 in and around that. Like there's more 577 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,760 acres of land that could be developed 578 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,799 there between the the the railway and 579 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:14,240 the road, but that development hasn't 580 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,600 >> happened. 581 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,960 >> Uh because I don't think a lot of 582 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,559 businesses want to site themselves 583 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,279 there. Um so, but those were the 584 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:22,320 constraints that they worked with. they 585 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,840 were imposed on them by the city council 586 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,200 and that was um why at least part of why 587 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,480 we got what we did. 588 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,159 >> The purpose and need statement that 589 00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:32,640 Greg's talking about was to provide 590 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,240 access to Draper Lane and that's this 591 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,279 right here. And um 592 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,200 I've always stressed the importance of 593 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,880 the purpose and need statement. Be 594 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,640 careful what you put in the purpose and 595 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,200 need statement because you'll get what 596 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,240 you're supposed to get. And um that was 597 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,000 unfortunate. Um, car dealers don't want 598 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,279 to locate there. It was, 599 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,640 you know, there's such thing as being 600 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,600 too close and that's too familiar. Too 601 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,360 close. Um, 602 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,880 >> but honestly, if we had if we had a 603 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,000 bunch of businesses there with a bunch 604 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,360 of traffic, the interchange wouldn't 605 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,200 work either. Like the traffic the 606 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,799 traffic patterns can't support that. 607 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,960 >> It's it's selling now. And the other 608 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,760 reason is the third reason that they 609 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,919 also put in was that um they did this 610 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:21,840 less expensive 611 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,520 uh they could extend the freeway 612 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,840 development all the way one lane in each 613 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,679 direction to Spanish board which they 614 00:29:27,679 --> 00:29:31,600 did and so they were able under a design 615 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,080 build scenario say we'll give you this 616 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,399 we this is what we can do in addition 617 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:41,440 for you but we can't do this buoy or we 618 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,440 can't do whatever was going to be here 619 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:50,710 at center. 620 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,720 Uh, one thing they are getting ready to 621 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,760 do is, uh, with the development of the 622 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,200 apartment complex here, um, this will be 623 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,919 a threelane crosssection from 1600 West 624 00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:05,120 over to 2050, which is Geneva Road. That 625 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,840 should be restriped this summer. And uh 626 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,159 we've had a lot of rear end collisions 627 00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:12,799 and this segment from here to here is 628 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,679 way over capacity. It's it's over. 629 00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:17,120 >> Can you zoom in? What is that what is 630 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,559 that striped at now? Is it just two 631 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:18,960 lanes? 632 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,559 >> It's a two laner uh for the most part. 633 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,799 >> Okay. 634 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:26,080 >> You're in a middle lane. 635 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,640 >> Yeah, we'll have a center turn lane. U 636 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,919 will have to restripe that in 637 00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:32,240 cooperation with the apartment complex 638 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,200 that's having the impact. Uh just well 639 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,320 this is state route 114. Geneva Road and 640 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,880 Center Straight are State Route 114. But 641 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,000 just from here to here, 642 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,279 those four blocks 643 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:46,960 >> that'll help as people, you know, stop 644 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,960 to turn left into the neighborhood or 645 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,320 driveway. 646 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,880 >> Th this neighborhood for years have 647 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,240 expressed concerns. Um, and then I think 648 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,320 some of the area here too, but 649 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:05,190 especially this neighborhood. 650 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,399 » You need to rewrite it, but are we 651 00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:08,159 taking an easement? 652 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:10,640 >> They are. Well, we had a little bit of 653 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,640 uh improvement done along this portion 654 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,279 of it with the the new apartment 655 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:24,630 complex, but it's a restriping project. 656 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,480 Uh 657 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,880 Smith Smith did own that. Yeah, they 658 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,640 used to own that. That was the Smith 659 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,640 property. 660 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,320 >> And then the Cox family I I should say 661 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,960 the Cox family owned it. Smith had a 662 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:46,630 right of refusal for a very long time. 663 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,080 So Center Street, you know, we're we're 664 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,679 seeing a lot of traffic still. um making 665 00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:56,880 that left at 9th. Um but they have to go 666 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,679 through know downtown to do it. 667 00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:01,760 Can 668 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,960 >> we talk about 807 669 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,720 like because 7th goes all the way from 670 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,559 the mountain to freedom and 8 goes all 671 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,600 the way from Provo High effectively to 672 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,480 there's a talk at Geneva 673 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,360 from 8th to 7th. But one of you want to 674 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,320 talk so 800 north. Okay. 675 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,279 um you know it it crosses the freeway 676 00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,200 and the river um it doesn't have a 677 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,159 really good termination at Geneva like 678 00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:31,760 you you could punch that through and 679 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,159 then get over to 680 00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:35,760 uh you know I say punch it through just 681 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,640 destroy 10 houses um but you know it it 682 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,039 could connect there's a there's a east 683 00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:44,720 west connection to be made there at that 684 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,840 point and then there's also if you go 685 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,000 further to the east around freedom or 686 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000 university 687 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,840 you know, 800 North goes from being a 688 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,679 fairly, you know, sort of arterial 689 00:32:57,679 --> 00:33:01,440 street to a residential street, but 700 690 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,559 picks up as the arterial going across or 691 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:06,960 at least the collector. And it seems 692 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,640 like some kind of project or procedure 693 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,919 that would link those two would provide 694 00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:16,640 a lot of east west connection. Uh 695 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,320 because you see a lot of people who will 696 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,360 turn right on freedom from seventh or 697 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,120 turn right on University from seventh 698 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,120 and then turn left on eight. 699 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,000 >> Why did BRT get put on seven? It was our 700 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,799 good arter. It was our good movement 701 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:31,200 road. 702 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,679 >> Well, the BRT hasn't really reduced the 703 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:36,399 capacity of that RI that much. 704 00:33:36,399 --> 00:33:38,159 >> It's cut a lot of the cross. 705 00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:41,120 >> It's lost the cross connectivity. 706 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,039 A lot of north south. It's very very 707 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:44,399 irritating for all the east side 708 00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:45,519 residents. 709 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,600 >> But I'm wondering why it was why wasn't 710 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,559 it put on AIDS? 711 00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,760 >> I I wasn't here. I I've always told UTA 712 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,840 and in fact with our meetings with UTA 713 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,159 we we've thought about hey as you look 714 00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:58,559 at your long range plan about moving 715 00:33:58,559 --> 00:33:59,519 that to 8th 716 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,039 >> I think a game changer 717 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,320 >> would be 718 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,000 >> Oh yeah. 719 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,359 Not enough but like I mean traffic goes 720 00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:13,599 pretty well 721 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:17,679 that in part because with the busing and 722 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:21,119 the lack of north south means traffic is 723 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:22,560 >> Yeah. But you just lose some of the 724 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,399 people who would use it for to get to 725 00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:27,040 work because they can't get there. Yeah. 726 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,760 >> But I'm wondering like what I'm I'm 727 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,440 frustrated that the new Provo Power 728 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,760 building was located exactly where it 729 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,440 was because there's a lot of empty sight 730 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,599 empty space on that site. 731 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,639 could have become an S-curve of some 732 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,639 kind of to 733 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:43,359 >> like here. 734 00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:43,839 >> Yeah. 735 00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:48,240 >> Well, we the power department's been for 736 00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:49,200 100 years probably. 737 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,639 >> I know been around for 40 of them. Uh 738 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,960 >> when they rebuilt the building they 739 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,000 could have considered this. That's 740 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,720 exactly what I'm saying. 741 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:58,400 >> The smoke stack is no longer there, 742 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,560 right? Right. There's not. Yeah. But 743 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,320 like is is there something else we could 744 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,800 consider in you know that fourb block 745 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,560 segment 746 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,480 or working with signal timing or 747 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,119 whatever to link up those two east west 748 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:11,520 roads. 749 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,680 >> Yeah. Like is it a thing I don't is it a 750 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,760 thing to make it where 751 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,599 >> this happens seamlessly like that this 752 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:19,839 life this life that's like that that 753 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:22,800 becomes an easier and obvious thing 754 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,119 >> kind of kind of similar to what was 755 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,040 discussed here is some type of direct 756 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,560 connection 757 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,119 uh to first um yeah and I think Greg's 758 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,359 talking about the same thing that it 759 00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:37,359 would have been advantageous to do 760 00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:44,160 something like this connecting that Um 761 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,230 >> yeah, 762 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,640 it would like the challenge with doing 763 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960 that of course is when you have these 764 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,440 high volume through streets like 500 765 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,480 West or Freedom or University doing that 766 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,240 timing would interfere with those 767 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:01,920 through operations. There are way more 768 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,320 people. This is something that often 769 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,240 gets lost in the east west connectivity 770 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,079 discussion is that 90% of trips in the 771 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:10,400 Wasatch front are north south trips. 772 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,359 They like so all of these 773 00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:14,079 >> are they? 774 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:14,640 >> Yeah. Oh yeah. 775 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,000 >> In Provo. The city of Provo. 776 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,400 >> Well, that's why I want to see the Provo 777 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:18,720 data. 778 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:19,839 >> I would say it's not in the city of 779 00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:20,160 Provo. 780 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,480 >> But I think a lot of the people who are 781 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,160 who complain about east west connections 782 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,680 are trying to get to the freeway so that 783 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,320 they 784 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,280 >> the freeway. They're trying to get to 785 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:27,680 Orum. 786 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,320 >> Yeah. So that they can go north. 787 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,560 >> Um where what road is it that dead ends 788 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,800 into the colony? 789 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,079 >> 500. 500. We do have that on our master 790 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:40,560 plan. 791 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,160 >> He is willing to do something there. 792 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,599 >> So, as we look at 500, we do have that 793 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:49,200 proposed to connect to four. 794 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,079 >> Does he own everything to 9 or is there 795 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:52,640 another? 796 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,200 >> No, there's a row of homes here that we 797 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,040 would have there. There's four homes at 798 00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,440 least. 799 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,079 >> I think he owns them all. 800 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:03,760 He owns the colony homes. 801 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,320 >> He owns the colony, but I don't think he 802 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,480 owns the two homes that we need here and 803 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,760 here. 804 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,400 >> Then Mr. Pay owns the 805 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,040 >> So is that all the just that pay family? 806 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,680 That is the most underutilized 807 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,560 thing right there. 808 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,040 >> Yeah. Not not efficient land use. So 809 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,240 connecting that 450 and and connecting 810 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:28,800 that through to 500. So that is on 811 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,320 the uh transportation master plan and it 812 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,200 is now on um the MAG plan if I remember 813 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,480 correctly. And I don't see why we 814 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,720 couldn't use corridor preservation funds 815 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,359 for purchase of these facilities here. 816 00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:47,760 At least that's what I'm trying to get 817 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,240 on there. 818 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:51,839 >> The current transportation master plan 819 00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:54,640 fund is 2020. analysis probably done 820 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,880 starting in 2017 or 18. 821 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,910 >> Yep. 822 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,400 » Uh we talked about that. Uh we are 823 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,440 averaging 11 years for every update to 824 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,160 our transportation master plan. 825 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,560 So I'm figuring the next one would be 826 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,680 adopted around 2030 2031 827 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:29,190 uh with with project starting in 2029. 828 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,800 Can I ask a question? What about 2200 829 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,079 West? Is that going to be expanded or 830 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:39,359 >> not? 831 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:42,800 >> 2200 West where 9 east curves around at 832 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,240 the temple in the MTC 833 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:47,680 >> 2200 north 834 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,520 >> or 2200 sorry north. 835 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,000 listen to my listen to my brain, not to 836 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,440 my mouth. Um, but that to me is a huge 837 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,680 problem on the east west connectivity 838 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,480 coming home and going out because I I 839 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,960 live in the tree streets. I'm constantly 840 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,560 combating BYU traffic to come up and 841 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,200 through university to get to 9 days. So 842 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,440 now I've trained myself to go up and 843 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,640 around that way and it's a nightmare. 844 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,720 Yeah, it is on Provo City's 845 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,960 transportation master plan, Kendall, and 846 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,680 it's also on Mountainland Association, 847 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,320 the government's regional transportation 848 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,280 plan as well. Um, our current 849 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,839 administration is against widening that 850 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:36,720 road through there. It is a about a five 851 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,680 block bottleneck that runs from Stadium 852 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,800 Avenue on 9 east over to about Canyon 853 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,839 Road. Mhm. 854 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:46,560 >> Um, we've been working, Richard Jensen, 855 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,040 who's sitting behind me, has a home on 856 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,720 the north side of that street, and we've 857 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,160 been working with the neighborhood now 858 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,240 for year, year and a half, 859 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,800 at least a year and a half, maybe more. 860 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,560 Uh, we've been working with them to do 861 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,079 some safety improvements on that 862 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,800 corridor. The transportation master plan 863 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,280 identifies safety and capacity 864 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,440 improvements on that segment. Uh so we 865 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,760 tackled the safety problems or safety 866 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,000 improvements and we're in the heart of 867 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,599 doing some of those. Now uh I just 868 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,520 Richard knowledge which one of the 869 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,520 things is that they've got this merge 870 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,000 right here and we did the study on the 871 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,880 merge and the merge is not correct. Um 872 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,520 so we're working on doing some new 873 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,680 signage and striping for that merge. 874 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,480 submerge 875 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,560 >> going eastbound. 876 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,200 >> Eastbound, you're on 2200 north and 877 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,839 you're going eastbound through here and 878 00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:44,640 we hit some sideswipes there and anyway, 879 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,880 so we're going to be restriping that. 880 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,720 Um, also in advance of 2200, Richard and 881 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,720 the neighborhood been working on 882 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,560 vegetation cleanup. In fact, they just 883 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,800 had a recent vegetation cleanup day 884 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,280 where the entire neighborhood uh came 885 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,560 out and hauled away a lot of vegetation 886 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,000 and tree branches. Is that right, 887 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,280 Richard? 888 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,680 >> Yeah. 889 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,560 >> All three of 890 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,520 wasn't a big uh wasn't a big project. 891 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,839 Okay. So, anyway, we have some things 892 00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:18,880 that we're doing on 2200, but we're 893 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,720 trying to tackle the safety problems 894 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:24,720 first. Uh we have applied per mag uh to 895 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:29,599 do a connection project here at uh 896 00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:33,839 250 I believe it's 250 anyway right here 897 00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:36,240 um and put a traffic signal here 898 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,319 >> like what how it'll be gone what 899 00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:40,640 >> uh that would be 900 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,560 uh the MAG money would come available 901 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,880 2030 2031 902 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,880 >> um but it doesn't look like we're going 903 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,000 to get funded on that project um so that 904 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,920 you have have to be something that we'll 905 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,119 approach the city council on and ask um 906 00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:56,880 for 907 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,079 annual capital facilities to improve. 908 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,280 >> Did m give anything on why 909 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,240 >> uh it it didn't rank high enough on the 910 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,880 list. It's not final yet. Uh we go 911 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,400 before the board on in August, but it 912 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:12,960 did not. 913 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,720 >> Is that the new standard of numbers that 914 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:15,280 they 915 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,109 >> Yeah. 916 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,599 So Kendall back to your question report 917 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,560 that Matt that burn cried in the last 918 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,829 maging 919 00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:30,880 couple of projects for prohib. 920 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,520 >> Yeah. 921 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,880 >> It was not a pretty site. 922 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,720 >> It wasn't pretty. 923 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,400 >> We're glad. 924 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,040 >> Yeah. Uh so Kendall to get back to your 925 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,720 point it is in our plan to widen this to 926 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,560 reduce the bottleneck and go to a full 927 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,800 uh four-lane crosssection that connects 928 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,400 9th with 2200 over at Canyon. 929 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,760 >> Can I ask why the current administration 930 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,720 why they're opposed to it? 931 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,119 Well, we got a lot of houses on the here 932 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,440 and it really would impact the 933 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,839 neighborhood and I mean there's a lot of 934 00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:07,680 reasons 935 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,160 and on both sides of the issue. 936 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,040 >> Um I can I can argue both sides. 937 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:13,920 >> Yeah. 938 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,800 >> Which again 939 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,079 >> it's worth it's worth underlining that 940 00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:20,960 the neighborhood there 941 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,680 is not interested in that widening and 942 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,599 you can imagine why. 943 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:29,440 >> Yeah. Um, I I think that to do the road, 944 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,720 you know, up to modern safety standards, 945 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,480 the city, if they were going to widen 946 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,800 it, should acquire all homes on both 947 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,319 sides of the road and knock them all 948 00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:40,640 down. 949 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,560 I I think trying 950 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,560 >> I'm sorry. 951 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,480 >> I think that I think it's inappropriate 952 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,400 to have driveways open up onto a 953 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,920 fivelane street. 954 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,800 >> Would you put things on? Once you put 955 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,000 like the 956 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000 >> but they don't open up on wood, 957 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,680 >> but that's that's a wider road, right? 958 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,839 And so you're you're you're taking away 959 00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:01,359 everybody's front yards on both sides. 960 00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:04,160 >> Well, it's way less than 961 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,319 >> So So you you'd be weighing the the 962 00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:09,760 benefits to some people against the very 963 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,359 real harms to others. And that's a tough 964 00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:15,520 decision. And it's not critical. I don't 965 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,280 think at this moment. 966 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,200 >> It's a it's a tough decision. It can be 967 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,480 designed where we don't have to take the 968 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,920 homes on the south side and provide a 969 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,319 one-way road for them where they can 970 00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:32,000 connect without having to back out onto 971 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,440 a fivelane facility. Um, these lots are 972 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,400 pretty deep along here on the north 973 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,560 side. We've acquired three or four of 974 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:45,599 them now. Um, and we have 975 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,480 >> a Thank you, Richard. Yeah, with I I for 976 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,880 keep forgiving this one right here that 977 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,160 we just purchased. 978 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,680 >> Which houses are purchased? 979 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,000 >> This one here over on this corner. And 980 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,079 then we own this one, this one, and this 981 00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,960 one. Then I think we have one more in 982 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,000 here somewhere. Um, right in here 983 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,280 somewhere. 984 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:05,680 >> Did 985 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,280 >> close to Richard. Didn't someone else 986 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,560 just want to sell and we didn't get it 987 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,839 or was that just 988 00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:12,560 >> No, that there's a couple people that we 989 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,720 that was that particular one happened to 990 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:18,000 be on 800 North. Uh but we turned down a 991 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,000 couple of other people uh on 2230. 992 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,560 >> Okay. 993 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,440 >> So, I think someday it may happen. Um I 994 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,359 don't think it's going to be widened in 995 00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:34,160 my career, but what I do hope to do 996 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,400 >> not allowed to retire. 997 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,319 What I would like to do, put a traffic 998 00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:41,119 signal right here, bring this road to a 999 00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:44,960 four-way intersection. Um, have a drop 1000 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,920 lane as opposed to a merge lane. Um, 1001 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,359 that would, in my opinion, provide a 1002 00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:53,119 little bit more safety for the 1003 00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:53,520 neighborhood. 1004 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,880 >> Drop lane. Merge lane. 1005 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,880 >> Uh, so we get rid of the merge lane, 1006 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,880 which a merge lane has to come over to 1007 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,560 the through movement. Drop lane is you 1008 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,400 get in the right lane and you have to 1009 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,480 make a right-hand turn. 1010 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:06,880 >> Okay. 1011 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,280 >> The idea to stop and wait to get over. 1012 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,319 >> You don't have to stop. 1013 00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:14,880 >> You're just forced to make right the 1014 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:22,870 inter. 1015 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,000 Did we notice that the what was a drop 1016 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,680 lane southbound on Canyon Road crossing 1017 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,359 2200 1018 00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:34,160 >> that's been painted over 1019 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,200 >> is that um so one southbound we got a 1020 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960 lot of complaints 1021 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,359 um we started taking a look at that so 1022 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:45,440 now we make a right through movement so 1023 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,200 you can go because we have a receiving 1024 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,680 lane on the other side so that now has 1025 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,480 been restriped to be a right turn or cut 1026 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,839 through movement. 1027 00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:54,720 >> So it's in 1028 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,040 >> it is confusing though right now because 1029 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,880 there's a lot of tar and stuff on the 1030 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,920 road for previous work. So it's very mum 1031 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,920 >> and the arrow is taken out but the way 1032 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,839 the striping is set up so that it would 1033 00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:07,440 be the drop lane is still there. 1034 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,359 >> It's not is the arrow not been 1035 00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:10,079 repainted. 1036 00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,319 >> The arrow has been repainted but the 1037 00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:14,960 white stripe that goes up to it. 1038 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,599 >> So instead of it being broken white, 1039 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,680 >> it has this solid white because it was a 1040 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,880 turn. That hasn't been changed. We might 1041 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,920 we we plan on doing this intersection 1042 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,200 right here this summer. Um and so maybe 1043 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,000 I can get the guys to come down here and do that. 1044 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,800 >> Yeah. So we're going to we're going to 1045 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,079 be improving this intersection at Temp 1046 00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:43,440 Drive and Canyon Road or Tempview Drive 1047 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,720 and 2200 North. Anybody try to make a 1048 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,400 right turn there with another car 1049 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,400 waiting for the through movement? It's a 1050 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,440 very narrow 8 foot right turn lane. It 1051 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,520 doesn't work. We're going to restripe 1052 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,040 this this summer, right, David? And u 1053 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,640 evenings or 1054 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,640 >> uh No, we're just going to shift 1055 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,640 everything over to the south. We have 1056 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,640 room to do that. And so we're going to 1057 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,200 do that one and then I'm glad David's 1058 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,040 here. And then maybe we can get down 1059 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,960 here and fix that too. I know what 1060 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:13,760 you're talking about. 1061 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,119 >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I'm acutely aware 1062 00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:20,000 of that because that's my route for 1063 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,000 writing home. 1064 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,760 And so when it was the drop lane, it was 1065 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,599 actually really nice for me because then 1066 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:27,680 I would be there and I could kind of be 1067 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:28,880 in the middle of the lane, people could 1068 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,440 turn right me, but now that it's 1069 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,200 changed, there's not a great place for 1070 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,480 the bike to be because most people are 1071 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,599 still trained, right? 1072 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,480 >> Yes. And and so we'll we'll do a better 1073 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,559 striping and get rid of that solid line 1074 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:42,640 right there that you're talking about. 1075 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,920 Um during BYU games, everybody would 1076 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,920 park in this lane 1077 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,800 >> and that is no and we've reiterated the 1078 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,880 signage there and that will be enforced 1079 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,920 from now on. 1080 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,200 >> It's also confusing when you have only 1081 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,280 one through lane but two receiving lanes 1082 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,920 on the other side like that creates 1083 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,839 challenges and so I imagine there were 1084 00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:05,119 people who were trying to go straight. 1085 00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,520 >> They were people were going straight and 1086 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,839 it would kind of scare the people in the 1087 00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:14,150 through lane. 1088 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:21,510 And the bike doesn't 1089 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,720 » I do all the time. 1090 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,559 >> Yeah, you got to crank that wide 1091 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,000 shoulder to do so. 1092 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,559 >> It's the best bike facility. It's one of 1093 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,240 the routes in Straa that you get clocked 1094 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:35,109 on. It's good. 1095 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:48,230 But that that will make an interest. 1096 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:49,839 I'll probably have at least five more 1097 00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:51,599 minutes of discussion for East West 1098 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:54,800 connectivity before we do the brief 1099 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,680 final reports. Uh Mr. Chair, 1100 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,359 >> ask about the Center Street light 1101 00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:00,720 signals. 1102 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:02,559 >> Yes. Is there an opportunity there? I 1103 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:04,880 drive that and walk it uh daily. I feel 1104 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,200 like the east wester would be more room 1105 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,359 to uh 1106 00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:13,760 with that too. My fear would be traffic 1107 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,240 coming straight through and there's a 1108 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:19,359 lot of pedestri on center street. 1109 00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:22,079 >> Yeah. Um, biggest complaint I get on 1110 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,640 Center Street right now is probably due 1111 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,319 to a little bit of the alternative 1112 00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:29,920 traffic that we're getting off of 1113 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,680 University Avenue because of the bridge 1114 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,079 viuctuct. The biggest thing I'm getting 1115 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,800 right now is we have no left turn lanes 1116 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,280 and we don't plan on any left turn 1117 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,400 lanes. Um, and people want me to take 1118 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,559 out parking and put in left turn lanes 1119 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,079 and I'm just can't do that. 1120 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:47,440 >> No, no, no, no. 1121 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,960 >> So, thank you. Right. I You're just 1122 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,240 going to have to wait to make your left 1123 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:55,119 turn lanes. They're 1124 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:56,720 I'm trying to remember if we got those 1125 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,880 coordinated 1126 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,359 on the center street. We got those 1127 00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:03,359 coordinated. I 1128 00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:04,240 >> I don't know. 1129 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,240 >> I don't remember. We're really stuck 1130 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,960 between two uni two state routes here 1131 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,680 between fifth and university. And we 1132 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,839 have one two just two signals. 1133 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:16,640 >> Two signals. Yeah. 1134 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,640 >> Yeah. Just two signals. So I I don't 1135 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,079 think they're coordinated in any way, 1136 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:23,040 shape, or form because of the university 1137 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,319 and and state routes. 1138 00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:25,599 >> Well, you have so much you have so much 1139 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,680 parking and and other things that 1140 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,359 coordinating them wouldn't 1141 00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:33,829 >> create a bunch of benefits. 1142 00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:36,079 » It would just be if it too coordinated 1143 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:39,440 and just through 1144 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:45,109 >> would help the traffic. 1145 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,559 I'd go on the record to say that 1146 00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,640 anything we can do to make Center Street 1147 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,480 more of a parking lot, pedestrian plaza, 1148 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,040 make it really a pinch point for 1149 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,079 particular traffic through downtown. 1150 00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:03,200 >> We had that when there was only like 1151 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,720 east 1152 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,040 and center street, there was only one 1153 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,680 lane going in 1154 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,000 for a while. That seemed to help quite a 1155 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,309 bit. 1156 00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:18,160 We we were experimenting there a little 1157 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,760 bit. Yes, 1158 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,400 >> there were a bunch of experiments that we were we were talking about like 1159 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,079 back in angle parking. We were talking 1160 00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:25,119 about 1161 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,359 >> bicycle lanes between the parking and 1162 00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:29,359 the sidewalk. We were talking like 1163 00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:30,400 there's a whole bunch of things that 1164 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,240 they've done in Salt Lake that we had 1165 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,079 talked about doing on Center Street or 1166 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,000 thinking about what this what's the 1167 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,880 status of those things. Um well, right 1168 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,359 now we did uh have a conversation uh 1169 00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:45,520 centered around the budget to put in for 1170 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,319 a study that would look at utilities as 1171 00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:50,240 well as block faces here in a new 1172 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,760 cross-section from basically second east 1173 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,640 over to Fifth West. And I it just didn't 1174 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,720 make the priority of the budget. Now, I 1175 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,160 don't think the budget's been 100% 1176 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,000 finalized, but it's as close as it's 1177 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,319 going to get before they pass it. Which 1178 00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:07,119 one was the best? 1179 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,680 >> The center street center street study. 1180 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,839 Yeah, the council said um prioritized 1181 00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:16,960 economic study for the city and it may 1182 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,880 be that that economic study will 1183 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,480 identify 1184 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,480 street as one of our 1185 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,750 huge. So, 1186 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,559 » I I just think that 1187 00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:34,400 if we're going to do something before 1188 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,960 the 2034 Olympics where we're able to 1189 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,920 implement something, 1190 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,240 the next two years is pretty critical. 1191 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:45,359 There is there is a a go nogo. It's kind 1192 00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:48,880 of like NASA, right? 1193 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,400 Counting down and say, "Oh, we got a 1194 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,319 no-go because we found a, you know, 1195 00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:56,160 error in that. So anyway, I'm just 1196 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,280 saying the timing situation if the goal, 1197 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,640 which is still, I'll argue the best 1198 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,800 downtown in the entire state has the 1199 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,640 best downtown, main street, center 1200 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,240 street in the entire state. I can't 1201 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:10,880 think of another one that beats this one 1202 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,400 in the state. Now, there's a couple 1203 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,800 people that argue with me about Ogden, 1204 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,000 but 1205 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,200 >> I like Provo so much better. But anyway, 1206 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,200 um 1207 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,440 we we do have a place and I think the 1208 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,119 future of Center Street is is is to the 1209 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,599 point where it's it's it's more active 1210 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,079 transportation. It's maybe one lane of 1211 00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,240 travel and definitely not two in each 1212 00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:36,880 direction. Um 1213 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,960 it it needs a facelift because it looks 1214 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,680 so 1980s 1215 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,920 >> and this committee has done that. That's 1216 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,119 a good recommendation 1217 00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:49,520 problem that I understand is that we 1218 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:56,470 shouldn't start implement 1219 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,960 » the guys are less. 1220 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:05,190 >> Yes. 1221 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,440 » Yeah. the water, the sewer, the storm 1222 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,839 drain, all the utilities on Center 1223 00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:13,280 Street are also aging the infrastructure 1224 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,000 and quite frankly not up to standard 1225 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,640 size of what we envision um 1226 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,880 land use changes in the future in 1227 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,240 downtown 1228 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,319 >> the previous 1229 00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:29,599 are really good. We just don't have a 1230 00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:33,990 way to implement. 1231 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,760 » No, there there was a um you asked 1232 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,359 earlier in the meeting about the state 1233 00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,280 of the the Provo City Transportation 1234 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,440 Plan. I think it, you know, thinking 1235 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,319 about the Olympics in 2034 1236 00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:47,839 brings up the idea that we may want to 1237 00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:50,960 look at that uh long range plan for 1238 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,680 transportation and see like this that 1239 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,000 was done without knowing that the 1240 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,000 Olympics would be coming. And so yeah, 1241 00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,520 if there are things that we would need 1242 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,200 to do 1243 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,119 before the Olympics come, it would be 1244 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,680 good to 1245 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,319 and maybe do an amendment to it this 1246 00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:10,480 year or next year. 1247 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,079 >> I was here for the 2002 Winter Olympics. 1248 00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:18,000 And here's how that planning works. You 1249 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,240 plan for it. You plan for it. You're 1250 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:21,839 looking at the venues. You know where 1251 00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:23,440 they're at. You're doing all this 1252 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,960 planning. And then the Olympic committee 1253 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,359 comes in and signs their staff to you 1254 00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:31,680 and they tell you how it's going to 1255 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,280 work. 1256 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,359 You don't get much if any say. Um so I 1257 00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:39,280 suspect that it will work very similar 1258 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,240 to what we had in 2002. 1259 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,559 >> No, but like things things like center 1260 00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:47,680 street like if we have events because 1261 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,280 they are using the peaks as a venue, 1262 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,280 right? If we have people in Provo for 1263 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,119 events, we should ensure that the city's 1264 00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:58,400 background network can be something that 1265 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,280 like yeah, the the the Utah the planning 1266 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,319 committee is going to come in and say 1267 00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:04,160 run these 500 shuttle buses from Lavel 1268 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,440 Edwards to the Peak, but uh we we can we 1269 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,040 can at least make Center Street Pleasant 1270 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:09,920 for them. 1271 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,559 >> No, I I don't disagree. We just adopted 1272 00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:16,079 the 2000 transportation master plan and 1273 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:19,200 had that discussion in there. I do want 1274 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,520 to point out one east west mobility. The 1275 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,280 biggest complaint I get in the entire 1276 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,520 city uh on a U dot road is on University 1277 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,440 Avenue and Fifth North over by the 1278 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,280 library. Um just so you know, it's taken 1279 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,319 a long time convincing UD do is now 1280 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,160 willing to put in left turn signals 1281 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,119 here. 1282 00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:41,359 >> Oh, good. 1283 00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:44,240 >> Considering or did they pass considering 1284 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,559 please? 1285 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:48,720 They're in the they're in the they're in 1286 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,520 the you have to phase now. They've been 1287 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,480 told they have to by their director. Uh 1288 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,160 so anyway, it took it took doing but 1289 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,319 we're going to see some type of left 1290 00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:03,599 turn signal movement on the Fifth North 1291 00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:07,030 and University 1292 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,280 » protected. Yes. expected left turn 1293 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,440 signal because right now if you're lucky 1294 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,480 to get one two if you break the law 1295 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:19,040 >> and get through PMP peak hour 1296 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,240 turn it back over to you. 1297 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,839 >> Yeah, we're probably have to stop this 1298 00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:26,079 discussion on this for now. Um 1299 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:29,359 then I'm sure we'll be revisiting that 1300 00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:31,599 future. I'll go to the engineering 1301 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:46,710 project updates. 1302 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,559 Okay, just wanted to give a quick update 1303 00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:50,960 on the bridge here. Um, so things are 1304 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,040 moving along fairly well on the west 1305 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,799 side. Everything is prepped and ready 1306 00:58:56,799 --> 00:58:58,799 for asphalt which will be placed on 1307 00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:00,720 Tuesday and then landscaping will come 1308 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,400 in shortly after that. So you'll see 1309 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,440 this west side button up here in the 1310 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,280 next week and a half. This is a culdeac 1311 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,200 that we put in 1312 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,200 um 1313 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,400 the bridge itself. So you can see here 1314 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,920 they're prepping this approach slab. 1315 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,599 They're tight bar today. They'll tie 1316 00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:19,200 this one in the next couple of days as 1317 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,359 well. You'll see both of these poured 1318 00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:23,920 next week and then the bridge parapits 1319 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,920 and everything on on the deck will then 1320 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,640 take shape. So, um over the next week 1321 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,200 we'll be filling and finishing the east 1322 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,760 side curbon gutter filling the road and 1323 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,680 then that will receive asphalt the week 1324 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,559 after. So, as of right now, we're still 1325 00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:43,520 on track to have this open up um by July 1326 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,040 3rd. There will be a couple of things 1327 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,880 that will remain that need to be done 1328 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,599 after that. Uh but we'll be able to have 1329 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:54,400 traffic back on the road by then. So 1330 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,079 >> trail won't be open for another month 1331 00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,319 after that. Um because of some of our 1332 00:59:58,319 --> 01:00:00,720 timelines with the under crossing and 1333 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,119 all the retaining walls mirrorless that 1334 01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:04,480 we're going to have in and paint all 1335 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,680 that has requested to full cure. So they 1336 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,200 need about a month for all that concrete 1337 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,079 to set up fully. And so they'll start 1338 01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:14,559 painting um the end of this month on the 1339 01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:16,640 28th and there'll be about three and a 1340 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,880 half weeks of painting. 1341 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,960 >> What are you going to do for traffic 1342 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,720 management that the trail 1343 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,920 >> will open back up? 1344 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,280 >> We'll continue to have our detour. Um 1345 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,680 yeah, we'll have to face that. 1346 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,119 >> We'll have a detour somehow. Are are we 1347 01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:34,960 gonna 1348 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,960 It would be a mistake if somebody got 1349 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,200 hit by a car 1350 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,119 getting across 800 North on our brand 1351 01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:42,640 new bridge because the trail wasn't 1352 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:43,119 open, 1353 01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,599 >> right? 1354 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,079 Yeah, we're going to have to visit that. 1355 01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:49,599 I don't know if we have a plan fully for 1356 01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:51,359 that yet. 1357 01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:54,160 >> Um yeah, anyways, it's on track and it's 1358 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,599 looking good to open up in the next 1359 01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,079 couple weeks. 1360 01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,960 >> Are you doing a little 1361 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,480 Yeah, I believe the administration is 1362 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,319 planning something the week after the 1363 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:07,200 24th of July. Um, just with the where we 1364 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,799 have it planned the week of the 4th and 1365 01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:10,000 then the mural is supposed to be done 1366 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,400 the week of the 24th, they felt it was 1367 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,040 best just to go the week after to do 1368 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,599 some sort of celebration and and be able 1369 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:19,839 to highlight all those things, not in 1370 01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:22,880 conflict with the holidays. And so, 1371 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,720 >> yeah, you don't want to, 1372 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,680 >> right? 1373 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,520 Thank you. On behalf of 1374 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,160 >> uh yeah on the capital improvement 1375 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,160 projects update. These are the projects 1376 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,799 that um our department engineering is 1377 01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:41,119 doing as speaking. We have the south 1378 01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:42,880 state street trail project going on. 1379 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,799 It's a 10 ft sidewalk trail carbon 1380 01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:46,319 gutter storm improvement along with 1381 01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:48,880 street lights. Uh this is between 300 1382 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,280 south and 900 south on state street. Um 1383 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,400 the project will complete um by October 1384 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,920 15th. 850 east sidewalk construction of 1385 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,240 5 feet sidewalk urban gutter 80 1386 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,760 improvements along with storm 1387 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,359 improvements uh from uh center street to 1388 01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:08,240 150 south along 850 east the project 1389 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,839 will complete sometime in mid July 700 1390 01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:14,000 east 800 north signal this is 1391 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,599 construction of a new three-way signal 1392 01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:17,520 at the intersection of again 700 east 1393 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,480 800 north uh project will complete by 1394 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,079 end of July 1 1600 west sidewalk project 1395 01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:26,319 uh this is a connecting sidewalk project 1396 01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:29,599 from 80 south to 180 south along 1600 1397 01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:32,000 west. Uh it includes sidewalk carbon 1398 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,160 gutters, some storm improvements and 1399 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,119 project will complete by end of June. We 1400 01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,040 have our crack seal project going on. 1401 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,000 That project will complete um or at 1402 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,119 least we'll have a stop to it um end of 1403 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:46,559 this week. So this is the last week of 1404 01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:49,599 our seal project. 900 East 900 South 1405 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:51,520 sidewalk project. We did finish that 1406 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,359 project last week. Uh our Franklin CDBG 1407 01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:58,640 we did about 33 um ADA ramps in Franklin 1408 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,960 neighborhood. Uh that project completed 1409 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,000 last week. Our foothills CDBG project we 1410 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,920 started that project last week. We're 1411 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,359 going to be in foothills for another I 1412 01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:09,680 would say two to three weeks. Uh and 1413 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,839 then 500 north 200 west signal 1414 01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:13,839 reconstruction. That project will begin 1415 01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:16,720 in the next two to three weeks. Um and 1416 01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,160 it will go approximately end of July 1417 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:26,549 sometime in August. 1418 01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:31,349 that one 1419 01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:33,520 » and we're putting in protected left 1420 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,559 turns there too. 1421 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:38,079 >> So that'll match what we're doing on 1422 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:42,870 University on Fifth. 1423 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,440 » Um I have one last thing. Uh University 1424 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,359 Avenue bridge replacement update. Um the 1425 01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:52,160 good news is uh UD do told the 1426 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,000 contractor they couldn't close the 1427 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,760 entire two lanes on the southbound 1428 01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,400 off-ramp or on ramp. Uh so they're 1429 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,799 closing half of the time and so we got 1430 01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:03,920 to keep that road that uh access open to 1431 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,480 southbound I-15 at the ramp. Um our 1432 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,359 boring is going better. um better 1433 01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:14,079 meaning 1434 01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:16,240 we're able to get through the whatever 1435 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,440 blockage we had and we're moving forward 1436 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,760 and when there's been no disruptions to 1437 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,480 the railroad. Uh to tell you how close 1438 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,599 that is, if we we they take shots 1439 01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:30,559 surveyed three times a day, if we're 1/8 1440 01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,319 of an inch difference, we have to 1441 01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:34,880 contact the railroad. If we're a quarter 1442 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,160 inch, we have to stop work. Well, that's 1443 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,160 I mean that's how 1444 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,640 tight that is. 1445 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,760 Anyway, um a little bit better news is 1446 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,240 uh 600 South. Uh we've been working with 1447 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,079 the railroad on that one. We did get 1448 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,720 final approval to move forward with our 1449 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:57,599 trail and uh and uh fencing project and 1450 01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:00,480 new curb and gutter and parking along 1451 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,440 south. Uh over the next couple weeks, we 1452 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,240 should see the railroad be moving all of 1453 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,240 their railroad materials, what I refer 1454 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,599 to as junk, uh right along here. Uh 1455 01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:17,119 the railroad treasures, uh old ties, old 1456 01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:19,200 tie plates, new tie plates, if you want 1457 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,359 a new tie plate. Anyway, they're all 1458 01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:22,960 down there and they're going to be 1459 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:23,760 relocating those. 1460 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,119 >> My understanding is they were dumping 1461 01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,680 that on Provo City property. 1462 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,079 Yes, it was Provo City property and you 1463 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,359 mentioned these nine law. So, it took 1464 01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:36,240 two and a half years to convince up that 1465 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,079 they were on our property. 1466 01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:40,880 >> Um, the neighborhood 1467 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,400 that 1468 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,640 the original project limits was from 1469 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,880 first west to second east. 1470 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,119 >> Um, our bid came in where we were able 1471 01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:51,200 to do all the way to Fort East. We had 1472 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,599 planned it. We got funding to Second 1473 01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:55,599 East, but our bid I didn't have to go 1474 01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:57,680 back and ask for more money. We got two 1475 01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,520 more blocks out of it. We're really 1476 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,079 excited about that. 1477 01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:09,990 >> Exact 1478 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,799 um where the park is and then second 1479 01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:19,109 east to our bike way. 1480 01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:22,319 » All right. very much. Uh, one last 1481 01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:24,319 announcement before we adjourn is that 1482 01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:27,680 there will be no T-MAC meeting in July. 1483 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,359 So, the next one will be on August. I 1484 01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:30,559 don't know what the date is. 1485 01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:33,680 >> Same third Thursday in August where we 1486 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,000 will dedicate the entire meeting to 1487 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,520 Greg. 1488 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,160 >> My grad student will be coming the bulk 1489 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:40,960 of the presentation. 1490 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,839 >> I hope we'll see. 1491 01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:44,000 And 1492 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,839 >> with that, um, I'll entertain a motion 1493 01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:51,510 to adjurnn. 1494 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,920 We need a vote.