[0:00] paying a unionized
[0:04] public staff and right
[0:08] not the best while
[0:12] we were out running
[0:28] » I can't remember what
[0:32] our menu is smaller
[0:34] options.
[0:36] >> Most of them aren't very good.
[0:39] >> Of course, the Supreme Court of
[0:41] Mississippi
[0:48] based upon the fact that you cannot
[0:51] >> you cannot there's not evidence that the
[0:53] owner of the car was the person
[0:55] operating the car.
[0:57] So the reason why
[1:01] state legislator
[1:07] was they started tracking nationally.
[1:09] >> Yeah.
[1:11] >> You can't confront your like rank it by
[1:13] spice level.
[1:16] >> But it's it's it's so weird because like
[1:18] why are traffic laws the only
[1:29] I haven't thought of that. I don't know
[1:30] if that
[1:32] if I if I steal on my taxes or murder my
[1:35] neighbor,
[1:36] >> presumably a cop didn't have to watch it
[1:38] happen in order to be
[1:48] actually Arizona turned off their
[1:50] traffic cameras had. And the reason why
[1:54] was because the data license plates and
[1:58] tracking them was being given by they
[2:00] were using a commercial
[2:03] and the data
[2:07] was tracking.
[2:17] » Yeah, that's not what it was.
[2:33] of course by you can't drive on property
[2:35] without a license
[2:42] in the name of safety and security is
[2:44] what they're justified
[2:50] with
[2:52] like
[2:54] >> recording in progress.
[2:56] >> I'd like to support the small
[2:57] independent restaurant.
[3:05] » I feel like critical public safety.
[4:33] Burgersley,
[4:43] but they have really good
[4:50] GLP. So, like I can't even finish.
[4:57] My big fro.
[5:04] » I think every place sells better pizza
[5:06] if they had more beer.
[5:10] » I wouldn't be doing the beer.
[5:17] » Yeah. It's not It's not what it That's
[5:20] for sure.
[5:21] >> I feel a little meeting at a nursing
[5:23] home.
[5:26] » Yeah.
[5:34] We should all
[5:35] see
[5:42] this.
[5:46] Okay, channel 17, if you're ready,
[5:47] please start recording.
[5:51] >> You.
[5:53] Okay,
[5:55] >> I will first excuse Beth Province. I
[5:58] understand she's attending perhaps the
[6:00] birth of a new grandchild.
[6:02] >> Yeah, her daughter
[6:04] first.
[6:06] >> I will be conducting the meeting today
[6:08] and I'll start with introductions. I'm
[6:10] Noah Gordon, the vice chair and then uh
[6:13] let's actually start with those online
[6:14] and I believe at least there's Kendall.
[6:18] if you want to
[6:20] introduce yourself
[6:24] and give us a tour of your house
[6:27] >> virtually,
[6:31] but you are muted in case you were
[6:32] trying to make a verbal introduction.
[6:40] While she's sorting that out, let's go
[6:42] around the room. Let's start
[6:46] at public works.
[6:48] Candy, public works.
[6:50] >> Development services,
[6:52] team act,
[7:06] » Richard Gentivity.
[7:17] And I'm Khan Shu with the ProA City
[7:19] Public Works.
[7:21] >> And I failed to do the two things that
[7:23] Kayhan asked me to do, which are to
[7:25] state the date, which is Thursday, June
[7:28] 11th, 2026. We started this meeting at
[7:31] 12:30 p.m. It's now 12:32.
[7:34] And um should have asked you each also
[7:37] to state whether you had a conflict or
[7:39] interest, conflict of interest or not
[7:42] with any of the items on the agenda
[7:44] today. So does anyone now that you've
[7:46] already made your introductions any of
[7:48] you have a conflict of interest
[7:52] speak now or have no conflict of
[7:54] interest? Apparently none. Excellent.
[7:57] First item of business is to uh an
[8:01] action item to approve the minutes from
[8:03] the May 21st, 2026 meeting.
[8:07] Anyone like to approve the minutes?
[8:10] Entertaining a motion.
[8:13] I would like to approve the minutes. I
[8:15] read that and I thought they were
[8:16] accurate.
[8:17] >> Excellent. Anyone can second that. That
[8:20] was Greg McLot
[8:27] and a second. So that is all in favor
[8:30] say I.
[8:31] >> I
[8:33] opposed.
[8:36] >> All right. The next item is the east
[8:38] west connectivity discussion and uh are
[8:42] you leading that discussion?
[8:44] >> I I think that uh we'll refresh
[8:46] everybody's memory a little bit but we
[8:48] did give a presentation uh last month.
[8:51] Uh we can quickly go to that and just
[8:56] share a little bit of reminder of what
[8:57] that looked like. But what we ended up
[8:59] doing is uh
[9:03] carrying out the request of the T-MAC to
[9:06] look at East West connectivity, what the
[9:09] general plan uh what the land use plan
[9:12] said, what the transportation master
[9:14] plan said, um what the regional
[9:17] transportation plan said, and what it
[9:19] was drafted at. We just provided all the
[9:22] references to that. And then we looked
[9:25] at um east west connectivity by using um
[9:30] level service analysis from the highway
[9:33] capacity manual for corridor level
[9:35] service. And we looked at volumes along
[9:37] there. And so people kind of get an idea
[9:40] of of where our percentage by segment of
[9:45] uh east west connectivity and what
[9:47] percentage of the capacity is being used
[9:49] for a level of service need. Again, that
[9:52] doesn't mean it's failing by any means.
[9:55] Um, but when you get over that 100% of
[9:59] the level of service D, you start move
[10:01] into that ENF category and you
[10:03] experience uh congestion more
[10:06] frequently. So, we have those up there.
[10:09] We have the plans up there. If you
[10:11] wanted to reference any portion of
[10:13] those, you're we can go to the maps or look at anything. We we did discuss
[10:19] level of service. I believe Greg and I
[10:21] had a good discussion on that and um
[10:26] pointed out a few things about what that
[10:28] means and what it doesn't mean. I think
[10:30] that was healthy as well. So, right now
[10:34] it's we we talked about some of the
[10:36] barriers. Uh we know that the railroad
[10:38] tracks, the railroad corridor, the I-15
[10:41] corridor, even the Provo River, which is
[10:44] great, um is also a barrier to east west
[10:49] transportation and mobility and
[10:51] connectivity. And so we kind of just
[10:56] then also talked about some of the the
[10:58] progress we have made over the years,
[11:01] couple decades of providing additional
[11:04] connectivity
[11:06] uh with the construction planning and
[11:08] construction of Lake View Parkway. um
[11:12] the 500 West underpass at I-15
[11:15] and then also the connectivity that uh
[11:18] we have at 920
[11:21] 820 north and uh up at 2000. That's about it. Some of those
[11:27] connections. So hopefully that
[11:30] summarizes what we've talked about and
[11:32] now we get to hear and discuss what our
[11:37] concerns are about east west
[11:39] connectivity and how to try to attempt
[11:41] to solve some of those east west
[11:43] connectivity mobility challenges.
[11:51] You go to one of the maps.
[11:53] >> Yeah,
[11:59] » we started from north to south, I think
[12:01] I did, and started on the north end of
[12:04] Provo and worked our way down south. So,
[12:06] whatever map you're wanting, it should
[12:09] be in here.
[12:18] you want to go to?
[12:18] >> Well, I just I wanted to see things sort
[12:20] of in context.
[12:21] >> Okay.
[12:23] >> Um,
[12:26] one of one of the frustrating
[12:27] discussions, one of the frustrating
[12:29] elements of this East West connectivity
[12:31] discussion is people say Provo lacks
[12:34] east west connectivity
[12:36] and every person who says that means
[12:38] something different, right? And this is kind of where I I think I wanted
[12:44] to have these conversations in this way,
[12:46] right? There is there's the barrier of
[12:48] I-15, the railroad there. There's the
[12:51] barrier of the Provo River, which is
[12:53] sort of coincidental to that in much of
[12:55] the city. And then there's the barrier
[12:57] of BYU and the fact that we lose the
[13:00] grid system north of Cougar and like all
[13:02] those other things that that that happen
[13:05] north of Cougar and south of 600. Um,
[13:08] and that all of those
[13:12] are things that people can mean when
[13:14] they talk about east west connectivity.
[13:16] Um, so I guess I'm I'm curious what
[13:21] I think when when you ask people in the
[13:23] tree streets where I grew up or know
[13:26] Edgemont or neighborhoods going north,
[13:28] you know, they're they're frustrated by
[13:30] how long it takes to get across
[13:32] University Avenue into ORM or around
[13:35] BYU. When you talk to people west of the
[13:38] freeway, they're frustrated by how long
[13:41] it takes them to get across the freeway
[13:43] into Provo.
[13:45] Um, and I guess I'm I'm curious, do you
[13:47] have
[13:50] like
[13:51] OD data? Can you get OD data? Is there
[13:54] survey data that that can inform
[13:57] obviously not this discussion today, but
[14:00] the discussion that we may have over the
[14:02] next couple months, right? like when
[14:05] >> can we classify this this question of
[14:08] east west connectivity by neighborhood
[14:10] because it's probably different in every
[14:11] neighborhood.
[14:12] >> Yeah, you're really talking geography
[14:13] the way you explained what people's
[14:16] difference opinions may be.
[14:19] >> Um
[14:20] when it comes to origin and destination
[14:22] data, we can take a look at that. Um
[14:26] I'll have to work with MAC to do so. Um
[14:31] or I would have to hire a consultant to take a look at those OD datas by by
[14:37] traffic analysis zone. But I I think we
[14:39] could get back to help me out there a
[14:41] little bit and maybe assemble some
[14:44] houses and take a look at where people
[14:47] are going within Provo. I think that
[14:49] would be very helpful to see where
[14:52] people within Provo are traveling to and
[14:54] from. So I can try to work on that for
[14:58] the month of Well, you're presenting in
[15:00] August, right?
[15:00] >> I'm presenting in August and I will
[15:02] present some of that, but it's not real
[15:03] data. It's just model behavior. It's
[15:05] sort of like point of interest type
[15:07] thing. So it would be good to have that
[15:09] as well.
[15:10] >> I'm sure I'm sure Mag would be happy to
[15:12] just give you a trip table from their
[15:13] model run.
[15:14] >> Yeah, let let's let's see what we can
[15:16] find there. I just when we do O andd
[15:19] data origin and destination data it's
[15:23] really important to show that visually
[15:26] most people won't understand right
[15:28] >> so we want to be able to show that
[15:30] visually and and I've created some maps
[15:33] 20 plus years ago in which um
[15:38] which does work very well at showing
[15:40] those so let me see if I can
[15:42] >> well when we had the presentation by Mac
[15:44] earlier in the here. He showed you know
[15:47] effectively districtto district OD
[15:51] tables
[15:52] but they had internal provo trips
[15:54] removed from them. Right. And that was
[15:57] all countywide.
[15:58] >> That's right.
[15:59] >> Right.
[15:59] >> But it it'd be cool to see like okay for
[16:02] each of these, you know, seven or eight
[16:04] districts in Provo,
[16:06] where do the trips that originate there
[16:08] go to? Right.
[16:09] >> Let's see what I can do. Very good
[16:12] point.
[16:13] Why don't you start with one and talk
[16:14] about center street?
[16:16] >> Easy one to talk about. It's the heart
[16:19] right into the Provo, right?
[16:22] >> Transportation street.
[16:23] >> Did you recognize that they did a
[16:26] terrible terrible thing?
[16:29] >> Right.
[16:30] >> They they get told that quite often?
[16:33] >> Like I mean is the accident rate for
[16:35] that one higher than other designed
[16:37] interchanges?
[16:38] >> Oh yes. without quantifiable data that
[16:41] >> in the two years after it opened, it was
[16:43] the deadliest interstate interchange in
[16:45] the state.
[16:46] >> It's also the hot spot for accidents in
[16:48] Provo, right? Isn't it?
[16:49] >> It is. It is.
[16:51] >> It has gone the number of fatal crashes
[16:52] has gone down a lot since they did make
[16:54] a couple of improvements.
[16:55] >> Yeah, they made those lights advanced
[16:58] warning lights,
[16:58] >> but it's still not where they wanted.
[17:00] And I it's actually a very good teaching
[17:03] example for me.
[17:07] I wonder like I lived in I lived in
[17:09] South East Provo and
[17:13] I was on that road all the time. It's a
[17:15] freeway, right? And I wonder like we
[17:19] it's the worst freeway access road. No
[17:21] one should be going on a 15 mile road
[17:23] downtown
[17:25] way ever. Like it's terrible.
[17:28] And I think we need to, you know,
[17:32] maybe we'll do a plaza there someday.
[17:33] You know, who knows what'll happen with
[17:34] Center Street, but it'll be improved on.
[17:36] But I feel like we need to make a We do
[17:39] need a commuting road. You need a
[17:40] freeway road. You need something that's
[17:42] quick for all of
[17:45] the east side and west side to get over
[17:47] to freeway.
[17:50] But it seems like we should be having a
[17:52] very concerted effort to make 100 or
[17:54] 200, I would assume it would be 100, but
[17:56] I don't know, the road like signage. And
[17:59] it should be set up that way. And it
[18:01] should be a really good turn into the
[18:03] freeway where you know two lanes are
[18:04] going right to the those lights are all
[18:07] set up so when you start going over C
[18:09] street you're right onto the freeway
[18:11] could be set up as a freeway road a
[18:15] muting road. I'm wondering what is that
[18:19] what could be done there? Is that
[18:20] something that is done or
[18:23] >> um really good point. First North is a
[18:25] fourlane facility. um five if you count
[18:29] the center turn lane. And with that, we
[18:32] have it signed uh posted speed limits
[18:35] 35. It's larger than it's higher than
[18:38] any of our other downtown roads that are
[18:41] Provo Cities. Um we do try to funnel
[18:46] people uh to First North. We all know
[18:49] that the
[18:50] >> How do we fun them? Well, that heavy
[18:54] left turn from from
[18:58] Yeah. 500 from Center Street is the and
[19:02] we've implemented
[19:05] um a slower speed limit on Center Street
[19:08] at 15 miles an hour. We've in
[19:11] implemented raised crosswalks to remind
[19:14] people that it's more of a
[19:15] pedestrianoriented facility even though
[19:18] we still have 20,000 vehicles on that
[19:21] road. But like could we do sign that
[19:22] said you know for I5 and put it on 100
[19:24] coming off university to turn right.
[19:26] >> I think the challenge is not just
[19:29] leaving Provo going to the freeway but
[19:33] like a lot of the trips and this is
[19:34] where the OD analysis would be helpful.
[19:36] I think a lot of the trips are using
[19:38] center street are coming from further
[19:39] east than University Avenue. 100 North
[19:42] is a great facility between 500 and
[19:44] University and then it becomes a
[19:46] residential street east of University
[19:49] >> and in fact it ends at Provo Peaks and
[19:52] so it doesn't go past 600 East and so
[19:55] that that means its utility as as a as a
[19:59] road to get to BYU for instance or even
[20:02] to the State Hospital or any of the
[20:04] neighborhoods east of downtown is pretty
[20:06] limited. And and my suspicion is that a
[20:09] lot of the people who continue to use
[20:10] Center Street are going somewhere east
[20:14] of east of University
[20:17] or 100 doesn't go and 200 doesn't go
[20:21] either. And and really like the next
[20:23] street that does is fifth.
[20:25] >> So is there it only gets to 70s
[20:28] >> and that only gets to 70s. That's right.
[20:30] Is there a way to make it like like we
[20:32] make a plan and make it usable and make
[20:33] it the best way to go and make it
[20:37] >> it would require changing the
[20:39] neighborhood east of University pretty
[20:42] substantially.
[20:43] So I think I think it would be
[20:47] there would be political challenges with
[20:49] that as like with any of these that
[20:51] we're talking about.
[20:52] >> Yes, that would be.
[20:53] >> Yeah. Sorry. You live on that street.
[20:57] Sorry.
[20:59] So, this is going to appear that I have
[21:01] a conflict of interest because it would
[21:03] be to my advantage if all that traffic
[21:04] went past my store on the corner of
[21:06] South at 500 West.
[21:09] >> But I've I've often wondered because
[21:10] Third South is
[21:13] if it were, you know, at Center Street
[21:16] would be the obvious choice for getting
[21:19] through that part of downtown, but it's
[21:21] three blocks south. And I wonder why in
[21:23] all the discussions, why do we keep
[21:25] talking about First North? U DOT's
[21:27] already got this road. It's a highway.
[21:29] It goes all the way to 900 East. Um, why
[21:33] aren't we shunning traffic that way? Is
[21:35] it Is it Is it the people that are using
[21:37] that road don't want to? It's too far
[21:38] out of the way from the direction
[21:40] they're headed.
[21:42] >> I think they're trying to go to
[21:43] northeast Provo.
[21:46] >> Three blocks to the south. That saves
[21:48] you five minutes.
[21:51] » Well, it could center street
[21:55] energy like above you. Well, and but you
[21:57] see that too because there's you've got
[21:58] the double left turn lanes going from
[22:01] fifth west northbound onto center street
[22:03] and that cues very long every all the
[22:05] time also. So there are people using
[22:07] that for that.
[22:11] » Uh it's it's really unfortunate that
[22:15] roads are laid out the way they are.
[22:19] I I think I think a lot of people would
[22:22] say we are forced to have the roads laid
[22:24] out the way we are if you grew up back
[22:27] east somewhere where there you know it's
[22:30] not a non-grid pattern right um back to
[22:34] the interchange the interchange um just
[22:38] so everybody's aware 2028 I think
[22:41] they're slated to do that southbound
[22:43] ramp and remove the
[22:46] >> the hill if you will. Yeah. So, the
[22:49] southbound off-ramp on I-15 at Center
[22:52] Street interchange will be under
[22:54] construction that will likely take
[22:57] >> Are they going to redo the whole
[22:58] interchange?
[22:58] >> No, no, just the ramp. Just the
[23:00] southbound ramp and it will take like
[23:04] two months and it will be painful.
[23:06] >> When you say southbound ramp, then
[23:08] you're not talking about the ramp to
[23:10] Salt Lake. You're talking about like
[23:12] coming off.
[23:14] >> Yeah. Southbound off ramp. Instead of
[23:16] waiting at that traffic light
[23:18] >> when you come off southbound, you wait
[23:20] at that traffic light and then go up the
[23:22] hill and around. They're going to be
[23:23] able to fly over over that. So that's
[23:27] that will no longer have a traffic light
[23:28] there for that movement.
[23:32] » That's the most dangerous part.
[23:34] >> That is the most dangerous current part.
[23:36] >> You have that emergency.
[23:38] >> Well, yeah. You you've got the the
[23:40] people going southbound on I-15 from
[23:42] eastbound center street who have to come
[23:45] over and then do the weave looking over
[23:47] their back shoulder. This is the kind of
[23:50] thing that should have been identified
[23:52] in the design stage and I can't believe
[23:55] it was not.
[23:57] >> This is southbound ramp right here
[23:59] coming off the interstate.
[24:02] Um this was the big crash area people
[24:06] come on. There's a little bit of a rise
[24:08] or a heel here. They've come in. They
[24:10] had a lot of rear end crashes with
[24:12] traffic at the stopped at the signal.
[24:15] They've since put advanced uh yellow
[24:17] flashing lights to warn people that
[24:19] traffic is backed up, but then you got
[24:23] this whole mess, right? You get anyway.
[24:26] Um, so we know that that's U DOT. Um,
[24:31] years ago we explored the possibility of
[24:33] one-way couplets, but once the Center
[24:36] Street Temple was announced or the
[24:38] downtown temple was announced, the
[24:41] council, they knew what they were doing.
[24:43] We made it perfectly clear that we'll
[24:46] forever lose the possibility of oneway
[24:48] couplets on first south and first
[24:51] >> be 100 north, westbound only, street
[24:54] eastbound only.
[24:55] >> Yeah. But every a lot of cities have
[24:57] done that and most of the cities that
[25:00] have done it are trying to undo them.
[25:02] >> I love when Colorado's a prime example.
[25:05] >> I hate it.
[25:06] >> Yeah. Raleigh has like three sets of
[25:09] one-way couplets through the middle of
[25:12] >> And why are they trying to under?
[25:13] >> Because it it turns your center into a
[25:16] basically a freeway
[25:17] >> throughway instead and all the
[25:19] businesses die.
[25:25] Yeah, better.
[25:27] >> But that's right. They they they get
[25:29] people through the city so they don't
[25:31] actually like stop and buy things.
[25:34] >> I thought the problem is downtown want
[25:37] it to be a still area where people go
[25:38] and stop.
[25:46] » Well, I'm glad to hear that they plan to
[25:49] make
[25:55] I'm also
[25:58] » Yeah. Center Street from the interstate,
[26:01] well, all the way from Ste Road went um
[26:05] all the way to the state hospital
[26:08] >> and it was a state route then. Even
[26:10] Ninth East was a former state route at
[26:13] one time. And so, uh now their state
[26:17] route ends at Fifth West. We own it,
[26:22] maintain it, anything east of fiscal
[26:27] » because when you're talking about that
[26:29] east connect city crossingway
[26:32] center, it's also just terrible because
[26:34] of the way the interchange is designed
[26:37] on a bicycle.
[26:39] >> I don't know that this proposed change
[26:41] helps with that at all.
[26:43] >> It will not. No.
[26:44] >> Yeah.
[26:46] I mean it will it will remove some of
[26:48] the conflicts
[26:50] >> right
[26:51] >> uh and it will make that light we could
[26:53] time it so that it's not prioritizing
[26:56] that outbound off ramp movement so it
[27:00] will become marginally better but not
[27:02] potentially so
[27:15] Yeah, I'm not sure there's any one
[27:17] silver bullet or any um easy lowhanging
[27:22] fruit on center street. I will say I
[27:24] will say like we mentioned this in the
[27:27] meeting last time the the constraints
[27:29] that the UD do engineers and their
[27:31] consultants were working on with this
[27:33] project from my understanding I was not
[27:34] around for it then um the design that
[27:37] they came up with was done in a manner
[27:40] that number one would keep the center
[27:42] street interchange open through the
[27:44] construction uh because that was the
[27:46] expressed desire of the city council.
[27:48] They couldn't build the new interchange
[27:50] where the old interchange was and keep
[27:51] it open. shortsighted.
[27:53] >> It was It was shortsighted. The other
[27:55] constraint that they were working with
[27:56] is that this design actually does
[27:58] maximize the amount of developable area
[28:02] in and around that. Like there's more
[28:05] acres of land that could be developed
[28:07] there between the the the railway and
[28:10] the road, but that development hasn't
[28:14] >> happened.
[28:15] >> Uh because I don't think a lot of
[28:16] businesses want to site themselves
[28:18] there. Um so, but those were the
[28:21] constraints that they worked with. they
[28:22] were imposed on them by the city council
[28:23] and that was um why at least part of why
[28:27] we got what we did.
[28:28] >> The purpose and need statement that
[28:30] Greg's talking about was to provide
[28:32] access to Draper Lane and that's this
[28:36] right here. And um
[28:39] I've always stressed the importance of
[28:41] the purpose and need statement. Be
[28:42] careful what you put in the purpose and
[28:44] need statement because you'll get what
[28:47] you're supposed to get. And um that was
[28:50] unfortunate. Um, car dealers don't want
[28:54] to locate there. It was,
[28:57] you know, there's such thing as being
[28:58] too close and that's too familiar. Too
[29:01] close. Um,
[29:03] >> but honestly, if we had if we had a
[29:04] bunch of businesses there with a bunch
[29:06] of traffic, the interchange wouldn't
[29:07] work either. Like the traffic the
[29:09] traffic patterns can't support that.
[29:10] >> It's it's selling now. And the other
[29:12] reason is the third reason that they
[29:15] also put in was that um they did this
[29:19] less expensive
[29:21] uh they could extend the freeway
[29:23] development all the way one lane in each
[29:25] direction to Spanish board which they
[29:27] did and so they were able under a design
[29:31] build scenario say we'll give you this
[29:36] we this is what we can do in addition
[29:38] for you but we can't do this buoy or we
[29:41] can't do whatever was going to be here
[29:43] at center.
[29:50] Uh, one thing they are getting ready to
[29:52] do is, uh, with the development of the
[29:55] apartment complex here, um, this will be
[29:59] a threelane crosssection from 1600 West
[30:01] over to 2050, which is Geneva Road. That
[30:05] should be restriped this summer. And uh
[30:07] we've had a lot of rear end collisions
[30:10] and this segment from here to here is
[30:12] way over capacity. It's it's over.
[30:15] >> Can you zoom in? What is that what is
[30:17] that striped at now? Is it just two
[30:18] lanes?
[30:18] >> It's a two laner uh for the most part.
[30:22] >> Okay.
[30:24] >> You're in a middle lane.
[30:26] >> Yeah, we'll have a center turn lane. U
[30:28] will have to restripe that in
[30:29] cooperation with the apartment complex
[30:32] that's having the impact. Uh just well
[30:35] this is state route 114. Geneva Road and
[30:38] Center Straight are State Route 114. But
[30:40] just from here to here,
[30:44] those four blocks
[30:45] >> that'll help as people, you know, stop
[30:46] to turn left into the neighborhood or
[30:48] driveway.
[30:50] >> Th this neighborhood for years have
[30:52] expressed concerns. Um, and then I think
[30:56] some of the area here too, but
[30:58] especially this neighborhood.
[31:05] » You need to rewrite it, but are we
[31:06] taking an easement?
[31:08] >> They are. Well, we had a little bit of
[31:10] uh improvement done along this portion
[31:12] of it with the the new apartment
[31:15] complex, but it's a restriping project.
[31:24] Uh
[31:26] Smith Smith did own that. Yeah, they
[31:28] used to own that. That was the Smith
[31:30] property.
[31:32] >> And then the Cox family I I should say
[31:36] the Cox family owned it. Smith had a
[31:38] right of refusal for a very long time.
[31:46] So Center Street, you know, we're we're
[31:50] seeing a lot of traffic still. um making
[31:53] that left at 9th. Um but they have to go
[31:56] through know downtown to do it.
[32:01] Can
[32:01] >> we talk about 807
[32:04] like because 7th goes all the way from
[32:06] the mountain to freedom and 8 goes all
[32:10] the way from Provo High effectively to
[32:13] there's a talk at Geneva
[32:16] from 8th to 7th. But one of you want to
[32:19] talk so 800 north. Okay.
[32:22] um you know it it crosses the freeway
[32:25] and the river um it doesn't have a
[32:27] really good termination at Geneva like
[32:30] you you could punch that through and
[32:31] then get over to
[32:34] uh you know I say punch it through just
[32:35] destroy 10 houses um but you know it it
[32:38] could connect there's a there's a east
[32:41] west connection to be made there at that
[32:44] point and then there's also if you go
[32:47] further to the east around freedom or
[32:50] university
[32:52] you know, 800 North goes from being a
[32:55] fairly, you know, sort of arterial
[32:57] street to a residential street, but 700
[33:01] picks up as the arterial going across or
[33:04] at least the collector. And it seems
[33:06] like some kind of project or procedure
[33:10] that would link those two would provide
[33:13] a lot of east west connection. Uh
[33:16] because you see a lot of people who will
[33:18] turn right on freedom from seventh or
[33:21] turn right on University from seventh
[33:23] and then turn left on eight.
[33:25] >> Why did BRT get put on seven? It was our
[33:28] good arter. It was our good movement
[33:30] road.
[33:31] >> Well, the BRT hasn't really reduced the
[33:33] capacity of that RI that much.
[33:36] >> It's cut a lot of the cross.
[33:38] >> It's lost the cross connectivity.
[33:41] A lot of north south. It's very very
[33:43] irritating for all the east side
[33:44] residents.
[33:45] >> But I'm wondering why it was why wasn't
[33:47] it put on AIDS?
[33:48] >> I I wasn't here. I I've always told UTA
[33:51] and in fact with our meetings with UTA
[33:53] we we've thought about hey as you look
[33:56] at your long range plan about moving
[33:58] that to 8th
[33:59] >> I think a game changer
[34:01] >> would be
[34:04] >> Oh yeah.
[34:08] Not enough but like I mean traffic goes
[34:11] pretty well
[34:13] that in part because with the busing and
[34:17] the lack of north south means traffic is
[34:21] >> Yeah. But you just lose some of the
[34:22] people who would use it for to get to
[34:24] work because they can't get there. Yeah.
[34:27] >> But I'm wondering like what I'm I'm
[34:29] frustrated that the new Provo Power
[34:31] building was located exactly where it
[34:33] was because there's a lot of empty sight
[34:35] empty space on that site.
[34:37] could have become an S-curve of some
[34:40] kind of to
[34:42] >> like here.
[34:43] >> Yeah.
[34:43] >> Well, we the power department's been for
[34:48] 100 years probably.
[34:49] >> I know been around for 40 of them. Uh
[34:52] >> when they rebuilt the building they
[34:54] could have considered this. That's
[34:56] exactly what I'm saying.
[34:56] >> The smoke stack is no longer there,
[34:58] right? Right. There's not. Yeah. But
[35:00] like is is there something else we could
[35:02] consider in you know that fourb block
[35:04] segment
[35:06] or working with signal timing or
[35:08] whatever to link up those two east west
[35:11] roads.
[35:11] >> Yeah. Like is it a thing I don't is it a
[35:13] thing to make it where
[35:15] >> this happens seamlessly like that this
[35:17] life this life that's like that that
[35:19] becomes an easier and obvious thing
[35:22] >> kind of kind of similar to what was
[35:25] discussed here is some type of direct
[35:27] connection
[35:28] uh to first um yeah and I think Greg's
[35:33] talking about the same thing that it
[35:35] would have been advantageous to do
[35:37] something like this connecting that Um
[35:44] >> yeah,
[35:48] it would like the challenge with doing
[35:50] that of course is when you have these
[35:52] high volume through streets like 500
[35:55] West or Freedom or University doing that
[35:58] timing would interfere with those
[36:00] through operations. There are way more
[36:01] people. This is something that often
[36:04] gets lost in the east west connectivity
[36:06] discussion is that 90% of trips in the
[36:08] Wasatch front are north south trips.
[36:10] They like so all of these
[36:13] >> are they?
[36:14] >> Yeah. Oh yeah.
[36:14] >> In Provo. The city of Provo.
[36:16] >> Well, that's why I want to see the Provo
[36:18] data.
[36:18] >> I would say it's not in the city of
[36:19] Provo.
[36:20] >> But I think a lot of the people who are
[36:22] who complain about east west connections
[36:24] are trying to get to the freeway so that
[36:25] they
[36:26] >> the freeway. They're trying to get to
[36:27] Orum.
[36:27] >> Yeah. So that they can go north.
[36:30] >> Um where what road is it that dead ends
[36:34] into the colony?
[36:36] >> 500. 500. We do have that on our master
[36:40] plan.
[36:40] >> He is willing to do something there.
[36:44] >> So, as we look at 500, we do have that
[36:47] proposed to connect to four.
[36:49] >> Does he own everything to 9 or is there
[36:52] another?
[36:52] >> No, there's a row of homes here that we
[36:55] would have there. There's four homes at
[36:59] least.
[36:59] >> I think he owns them all.
[37:02] He owns the colony homes.
[37:03] >> He owns the colony, but I don't think he
[37:06] owns the two homes that we need here and
[37:08] here.
[37:09] >> Then Mr. Pay owns the
[37:12] >> So is that all the just that pay family?
[37:15] That is the most underutilized
[37:17] thing right there.
[37:18] >> Yeah. Not not efficient land use. So
[37:21] connecting that 450 and and connecting
[37:24] that through to 500. So that is on
[37:28] the uh transportation master plan and it
[37:32] is now on um the MAG plan if I remember
[37:37] correctly. And I don't see why we
[37:40] couldn't use corridor preservation funds
[37:42] for purchase of these facilities here.
[37:45] At least that's what I'm trying to get
[37:47] on there.
[37:50] >> The current transportation master plan
[37:51] fund is 2020. analysis probably done
[37:54] starting in 2017 or 18.
[37:56] >> Yep.
[37:59] » Uh we talked about that. Uh we are
[38:02] averaging 11 years for every update to
[38:05] our transportation master plan.
[38:08] So I'm figuring the next one would be
[38:10] adopted around 2030 2031
[38:13] uh with with project starting in 2029.
[38:29] Can I ask a question? What about 2200
[38:32] West? Is that going to be expanded or
[38:38] >> not?
[38:39] >> 2200 West where 9 east curves around at
[38:42] the temple in the MTC
[38:46] >> 2200 north
[38:47] >> or 2200 sorry north.
[38:51] listen to my listen to my brain, not to
[38:54] my mouth. Um, but that to me is a huge
[38:57] problem on the east west connectivity
[38:59] coming home and going out because I I
[39:02] live in the tree streets. I'm constantly
[39:04] combating BYU traffic to come up and
[39:08] through university to get to 9 days. So
[39:11] now I've trained myself to go up and
[39:13] around that way and it's a nightmare.
[39:18] Yeah, it is on Provo City's
[39:20] transportation master plan, Kendall, and
[39:22] it's also on Mountainland Association,
[39:25] the government's regional transportation
[39:28] plan as well. Um, our current
[39:31] administration is against widening that
[39:33] road through there. It is a about a five
[39:36] block bottleneck that runs from Stadium
[39:39] Avenue on 9 east over to about Canyon
[39:42] Road. Mhm.
[39:43] >> Um, we've been working, Richard Jensen,
[39:46] who's sitting behind me, has a home on
[39:49] the north side of that street, and we've
[39:50] been working with the neighborhood now
[39:52] for year, year and a half,
[39:56] at least a year and a half, maybe more.
[39:58] Uh, we've been working with them to do
[40:00] some safety improvements on that
[40:02] corridor. The transportation master plan
[40:04] identifies safety and capacity
[40:07] improvements on that segment. Uh so we
[40:11] tackled the safety problems or safety
[40:13] improvements and we're in the heart of
[40:16] doing some of those. Now uh I just
[40:19] Richard knowledge which one of the
[40:21] things is that they've got this merge
[40:23] right here and we did the study on the
[40:26] merge and the merge is not correct. Um
[40:28] so we're working on doing some new
[40:31] signage and striping for that merge.
[40:33] submerge
[40:34] >> going eastbound.
[40:36] >> Eastbound, you're on 2200 north and
[40:39] you're going eastbound through here and
[40:41] we hit some sideswipes there and anyway,
[40:44] so we're going to be restriping that.
[40:46] Um, also in advance of 2200, Richard and
[40:50] the neighborhood been working on
[40:52] vegetation cleanup. In fact, they just
[40:54] had a recent vegetation cleanup day
[40:56] where the entire neighborhood uh came
[40:59] out and hauled away a lot of vegetation
[41:02] and tree branches. Is that right,
[41:04] Richard?
[41:05] >> Yeah.
[41:07] >> All three of
[41:10] wasn't a big uh wasn't a big project.
[41:13] Okay. So, anyway, we have some things
[41:15] that we're doing on 2200, but we're
[41:18] trying to tackle the safety problems
[41:20] first. Uh we have applied per mag uh to
[41:24] do a connection project here at uh
[41:29] 250 I believe it's 250 anyway right here
[41:33] um and put a traffic signal here
[41:36] >> like what how it'll be gone what
[41:38] >> uh that would be
[41:40] uh the MAG money would come available
[41:42] 2030 2031
[41:44] >> um but it doesn't look like we're going
[41:46] to get funded on that project um so that
[41:50] you have have to be something that we'll
[41:51] approach the city council on and ask um
[41:55] for
[41:56] annual capital facilities to improve.
[42:00] >> Did m give anything on why
[42:03] >> uh it it didn't rank high enough on the
[42:06] list. It's not final yet. Uh we go
[42:08] before the board on in August, but it
[42:12] did not.
[42:12] >> Is that the new standard of numbers that
[42:14] they
[42:15] >> Yeah.
[42:19] So Kendall back to your question report
[42:21] that Matt that burn cried in the last
[42:24] maging
[42:27] couple of projects for prohib.
[42:30] >> Yeah.
[42:31] >> It was not a pretty site.
[42:32] >> It wasn't pretty.
[42:34] >> We're glad.
[42:36] >> Yeah. Uh so Kendall to get back to your
[42:39] point it is in our plan to widen this to
[42:42] reduce the bottleneck and go to a full
[42:46] uh four-lane crosssection that connects
[42:48] 9th with 2200 over at Canyon.
[42:52] >> Can I ask why the current administration
[42:55] why they're opposed to it?
[42:58] Well, we got a lot of houses on the here
[43:01] and it really would impact the
[43:03] neighborhood and I mean there's a lot of
[43:05] reasons
[43:07] and on both sides of the issue.
[43:10] >> Um I can I can argue both sides.
[43:13] >> Yeah.
[43:13] >> Which again
[43:14] >> it's worth it's worth underlining that
[43:18] the neighborhood there
[43:20] is not interested in that widening and
[43:23] you can imagine why.
[43:25] >> Yeah. Um, I I think that to do the road,
[43:29] you know, up to modern safety standards,
[43:32] the city, if they were going to widen
[43:34] it, should acquire all homes on both
[43:36] sides of the road and knock them all
[43:38] down.
[43:40] I I think trying
[43:42] >> I'm sorry.
[43:44] >> I think that I think it's inappropriate
[43:46] to have driveways open up onto a
[43:48] fivelane street.
[43:49] >> Would you put things on? Once you put
[43:52] like the
[43:54] >> but they don't open up on wood,
[43:56] >> but that's that's a wider road, right?
[43:57] And so you're you're you're taking away
[43:59] everybody's front yards on both sides.
[44:01] >> Well, it's way less than
[44:04] >> So So you you'd be weighing the the
[44:06] benefits to some people against the very
[44:09] real harms to others. And that's a tough
[44:13] decision. And it's not critical. I don't
[44:15] think at this moment.
[44:17] >> It's a it's a tough decision. It can be
[44:19] designed where we don't have to take the
[44:22] homes on the south side and provide a
[44:25] one-way road for them where they can
[44:28] connect without having to back out onto
[44:32] a fivelane facility. Um, these lots are
[44:35] pretty deep along here on the north
[44:38] side. We've acquired three or four of
[44:40] them now. Um, and we have
[44:45] >> a Thank you, Richard. Yeah, with I I for
[44:48] keep forgiving this one right here that
[44:50] we just purchased.
[44:52] >> Which houses are purchased?
[44:53] >> This one here over on this corner. And
[44:56] then we own this one, this one, and this
[44:58] one. Then I think we have one more in
[45:00] here somewhere. Um, right in here
[45:04] somewhere.
[45:05] >> Did
[45:05] >> close to Richard. Didn't someone else
[45:07] just want to sell and we didn't get it
[45:08] or was that just
[45:09] >> No, that there's a couple people that we
[45:12] that was that particular one happened to
[45:14] be on 800 North. Uh but we turned down a
[45:18] couple of other people uh on 2230.
[45:22] >> Okay.
[45:24] >> So, I think someday it may happen. Um I
[45:29] don't think it's going to be widened in
[45:31] my career, but what I do hope to do
[45:34] >> not allowed to retire.
[45:36] What I would like to do, put a traffic
[45:38] signal right here, bring this road to a
[45:41] four-way intersection. Um, have a drop
[45:44] lane as opposed to a merge lane. Um,
[45:47] that would, in my opinion, provide a
[45:51] little bit more safety for the
[45:53] neighborhood.
[45:53] >> Drop lane. Merge lane.
[45:54] >> Uh, so we get rid of the merge lane,
[45:56] which a merge lane has to come over to
[45:58] the through movement. Drop lane is you
[46:02] get in the right lane and you have to
[46:04] make a right-hand turn.
[46:06] >> Okay.
[46:06] >> The idea to stop and wait to get over.
[46:09] >> You don't have to stop.
[46:12] >> You're just forced to make right the
[46:14] inter.
[46:22] Did we notice that the what was a drop
[46:26] lane southbound on Canyon Road crossing
[46:29] 2200
[46:31] >> that's been painted over
[46:34] >> is that um so one southbound we got a
[46:39] lot of complaints
[46:40] um we started taking a look at that so
[46:43] now we make a right through movement so
[46:45] you can go because we have a receiving
[46:47] lane on the other side so that now has
[46:49] been restriped to be a right turn or cut
[46:52] through movement.
[46:53] >> So it's in
[46:54] >> it is confusing though right now because
[46:57] there's a lot of tar and stuff on the
[46:58] road for previous work. So it's very mum
[47:01] >> and the arrow is taken out but the way
[47:03] the striping is set up so that it would
[47:05] be the drop lane is still there.
[47:07] >> It's not is the arrow not been
[47:09] repainted.
[47:10] >> The arrow has been repainted but the
[47:12] white stripe that goes up to it.
[47:14] >> So instead of it being broken white,
[47:17] >> it has this solid white because it was a
[47:19] turn. That hasn't been changed. We might
[47:22] we we plan on doing this intersection
[47:25] right here this summer. Um and so maybe
[47:29] I can get the guys to come down here and do that.
[47:34] >> Yeah. So we're going to we're going to
[47:36] be improving this intersection at Temp
[47:40] Drive and Canyon Road or Tempview Drive
[47:43] and 2200 North. Anybody try to make a
[47:46] right turn there with another car
[47:48] waiting for the through movement? It's a
[47:50] very narrow 8 foot right turn lane. It
[47:53] doesn't work. We're going to restripe
[47:55] this this summer, right, David? And u
[47:59] evenings or
[48:00] >> uh No, we're just going to shift
[48:02] everything over to the south. We have
[48:04] room to do that. And so we're going to
[48:06] do that one and then I'm glad David's
[48:09] here. And then maybe we can get down
[48:11] here and fix that too. I know what
[48:12] you're talking about.
[48:13] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I'm acutely aware
[48:17] of that because that's my route for
[48:20] writing home.
[48:22] And so when it was the drop lane, it was
[48:23] actually really nice for me because then
[48:25] I would be there and I could kind of be
[48:27] in the middle of the lane, people could
[48:28] turn right me, but now that it's
[48:31] changed, there's not a great place for
[48:33] the bike to be because most people are
[48:34] still trained, right?
[48:35] >> Yes. And and so we'll we'll do a better
[48:38] striping and get rid of that solid line
[48:40] right there that you're talking about.
[48:42] Um during BYU games, everybody would
[48:45] park in this lane
[48:47] >> and that is no and we've reiterated the
[48:50] signage there and that will be enforced
[48:52] from now on.
[48:53] >> It's also confusing when you have only
[48:57] one through lane but two receiving lanes
[48:59] on the other side like that creates
[49:01] challenges and so I imagine there were
[49:03] people who were trying to go straight.
[49:05] >> They were people were going straight and
[49:07] it would kind of scare the people in the
[49:09] through lane.
[49:14] And the bike doesn't
[49:21] » I do all the time.
[49:22] >> Yeah, you got to crank that wide
[49:24] shoulder to do so.
[49:26] >> It's the best bike facility. It's one of
[49:28] the routes in Straa that you get clocked
[49:30] on. It's good.
[49:35] But that that will make an interest.
[49:48] I'll probably have at least five more
[49:49] minutes of discussion for East West
[49:51] connectivity before we do the brief
[49:54] final reports. Uh Mr. Chair,
[49:57] >> ask about the Center Street light
[49:59] signals.
[50:00] >> Yes. Is there an opportunity there? I
[50:02] drive that and walk it uh daily. I feel
[50:04] like the east wester would be more room
[50:07] to uh
[50:09] with that too. My fear would be traffic
[50:13] coming straight through and there's a
[50:16] lot of pedestri on center street.
[50:19] >> Yeah. Um, biggest complaint I get on
[50:22] Center Street right now is probably due
[50:24] to a little bit of the alternative
[50:28] traffic that we're getting off of
[50:29] University Avenue because of the bridge
[50:31] viuctuct. The biggest thing I'm getting
[50:34] right now is we have no left turn lanes
[50:36] and we don't plan on any left turn
[50:39] lanes. Um, and people want me to take
[50:42] out parking and put in left turn lanes
[50:44] and I'm just can't do that.
[50:46] >> No, no, no, no.
[50:47] >> So, thank you. Right. I You're just
[50:50] going to have to wait to make your left
[50:52] turn lanes. They're
[50:55] I'm trying to remember if we got those
[50:56] coordinated
[50:58] on the center street. We got those
[51:01] coordinated. I
[51:03] >> I don't know.
[51:04] >> I don't remember. We're really stuck
[51:06] between two uni two state routes here
[51:08] between fifth and university. And we
[51:11] have one two just two signals.
[51:15] >> Two signals. Yeah.
[51:16] >> Yeah. Just two signals. So I I don't
[51:18] think they're coordinated in any way,
[51:20] shape, or form because of the university
[51:23] and and state routes.
[51:24] >> Well, you have so much you have so much
[51:25] parking and and other things that
[51:27] coordinating them wouldn't
[51:29] >> create a bunch of benefits.
[51:33] » It would just be if it too coordinated
[51:36] and just through
[51:39] >> would help the traffic.
[51:45] I'd go on the record to say that
[51:46] anything we can do to make Center Street
[51:48] more of a parking lot, pedestrian plaza,
[51:52] make it really a pinch point for
[51:55] particular traffic through downtown.
[51:58] >> We had that when there was only like
[52:03] east
[52:04] and center street, there was only one
[52:07] lane going in
[52:09] for a while. That seemed to help quite a
[52:12] bit.
[52:16] We we were experimenting there a little
[52:18] bit. Yes,
[52:19] >> there were a bunch of experiments that we were we were talking about like
[52:22] back in angle parking. We were talking
[52:24] about
[52:25] >> bicycle lanes between the parking and
[52:27] the sidewalk. We were talking like
[52:29] there's a whole bunch of things that
[52:30] they've done in Salt Lake that we had
[52:32] talked about doing on Center Street or
[52:34] thinking about what this what's the
[52:36] status of those things. Um well, right
[52:38] now we did uh have a conversation uh
[52:43] centered around the budget to put in for
[52:45] a study that would look at utilities as
[52:48] well as block faces here in a new
[52:50] cross-section from basically second east
[52:53] over to Fifth West. And I it just didn't
[52:56] make the priority of the budget. Now, I
[52:58] don't think the budget's been 100%
[53:00] finalized, but it's as close as it's
[53:02] going to get before they pass it. Which
[53:04] one was the best?
[53:07] >> The center street center street study.
[53:09] Yeah, the council said um prioritized
[53:13] economic study for the city and it may
[53:16] be that that economic study will
[53:18] identify
[53:20] street as one of our
[53:24] huge. So,
[53:29] » I I just think that
[53:32] if we're going to do something before
[53:34] the 2034 Olympics where we're able to
[53:36] implement something,
[53:39] the next two years is pretty critical.
[53:42] There is there is a a go nogo. It's kind
[53:45] of like NASA, right?
[53:48] Counting down and say, "Oh, we got a
[53:50] no-go because we found a, you know,
[53:54] error in that. So anyway, I'm just
[53:56] saying the timing situation if the goal,
[53:59] which is still, I'll argue the best
[54:02] downtown in the entire state has the
[54:04] best downtown, main street, center
[54:06] street in the entire state. I can't
[54:08] think of another one that beats this one
[54:10] in the state. Now, there's a couple
[54:12] people that argue with me about Ogden,
[54:14] but
[54:16] >> I like Provo so much better. But anyway,
[54:19] um
[54:21] we we do have a place and I think the
[54:23] future of Center Street is is is to the
[54:27] point where it's it's it's more active
[54:29] transportation. It's maybe one lane of
[54:32] travel and definitely not two in each
[54:34] direction. Um
[54:36] it it needs a facelift because it looks
[54:38] so 1980s
[54:41] >> and this committee has done that. That's
[54:43] a good recommendation
[54:47] problem that I understand is that we
[54:49] shouldn't start implement
[54:56] » the guys are less.
[54:58] >> Yes.
[55:05] » Yeah. the water, the sewer, the storm
[55:07] drain, all the utilities on Center
[55:09] Street are also aging the infrastructure
[55:13] and quite frankly not up to standard
[55:16] size of what we envision um
[55:20] land use changes in the future in
[55:22] downtown
[55:24] >> the previous
[55:26] are really good. We just don't have a
[55:29] way to implement.
[55:34] » No, there there was a um you asked
[55:35] earlier in the meeting about the state
[55:37] of the the Provo City Transportation
[55:39] Plan. I think it, you know, thinking
[55:41] about the Olympics in 2034
[55:44] brings up the idea that we may want to
[55:47] look at that uh long range plan for
[55:50] transportation and see like this that
[55:53] was done without knowing that the
[55:56] Olympics would be coming. And so yeah,
[55:58] if there are things that we would need
[55:59] to do
[56:01] before the Olympics come, it would be
[56:03] good to
[56:05] and maybe do an amendment to it this
[56:08] year or next year.
[56:10] >> I was here for the 2002 Winter Olympics.
[56:14] And here's how that planning works. You
[56:18] plan for it. You plan for it. You're
[56:20] looking at the venues. You know where
[56:21] they're at. You're doing all this
[56:23] planning. And then the Olympic committee
[56:24] comes in and signs their staff to you
[56:29] and they tell you how it's going to
[56:31] work.
[56:33] You don't get much if any say. Um so I
[56:37] suspect that it will work very similar
[56:39] to what we had in 2002.
[56:42] >> No, but like things things like center
[56:44] street like if we have events because
[56:47] they are using the peaks as a venue,
[56:49] right? If we have people in Provo for
[56:51] events, we should ensure that the city's
[56:55] background network can be something that
[56:58] like yeah, the the the Utah the planning
[57:01] committee is going to come in and say
[57:02] run these 500 shuttle buses from Lavel
[57:04] Edwards to the Peak, but uh we we can we
[57:07] can at least make Center Street Pleasant
[57:09] for them.
[57:09] >> No, I I don't disagree. We just adopted
[57:12] the 2000 transportation master plan and
[57:16] had that discussion in there. I do want
[57:19] to point out one east west mobility. The
[57:21] biggest complaint I get in the entire
[57:23] city uh on a U dot road is on University
[57:27] Avenue and Fifth North over by the
[57:29] library. Um just so you know, it's taken
[57:33] a long time convincing UD do is now
[57:36] willing to put in left turn signals
[57:38] here.
[57:39] >> Oh, good.
[57:41] >> Considering or did they pass considering
[57:44] please?
[57:46] They're in the they're in the they're in
[57:48] the you have to phase now. They've been
[57:51] told they have to by their director. Uh
[57:54] so anyway, it took it took doing but
[57:58] we're going to see some type of left
[58:00] turn signal movement on the Fifth North
[58:03] and University
[58:07] » protected. Yes. expected left turn
[58:09] signal because right now if you're lucky
[58:11] to get one two if you break the law
[58:14] >> and get through PMP peak hour
[58:19] turn it back over to you.
[58:20] >> Yeah, we're probably have to stop this
[58:21] discussion on this for now. Um
[58:26] then I'm sure we'll be revisiting that
[58:29] future. I'll go to the engineering
[58:31] project updates.
[58:46] Okay, just wanted to give a quick update
[58:48] on the bridge here. Um, so things are
[58:50] moving along fairly well on the west
[58:55] side. Everything is prepped and ready
[58:56] for asphalt which will be placed on
[58:58] Tuesday and then landscaping will come
[59:00] in shortly after that. So you'll see
[59:02] this west side button up here in the
[59:05] next week and a half. This is a culdeac
[59:07] that we put in
[59:09] um
[59:11] the bridge itself. So you can see here
[59:14] they're prepping this approach slab.
[59:15] They're tight bar today. They'll tie
[59:17] this one in the next couple of days as
[59:19] well. You'll see both of these poured
[59:21] next week and then the bridge parapits
[59:23] and everything on on the deck will then
[59:25] take shape. So, um over the next week
[59:28] we'll be filling and finishing the east
[59:31] side curbon gutter filling the road and
[59:33] then that will receive asphalt the week
[59:35] after. So, as of right now, we're still
[59:38] on track to have this open up um by July
[59:43] 3rd. There will be a couple of things
[59:45] that will remain that need to be done
[59:46] after that. Uh but we'll be able to have
[59:49] traffic back on the road by then. So
[59:54] >> trail won't be open for another month
[59:56] after that. Um because of some of our
[59:58] timelines with the under crossing and
[1:00:00] all the retaining walls mirrorless that
[1:00:03] we're going to have in and paint all
[1:00:04] that has requested to full cure. So they
[1:00:07] need about a month for all that concrete
[1:00:09] to set up fully. And so they'll start
[1:00:12] painting um the end of this month on the
[1:00:14] 28th and there'll be about three and a
[1:00:16] half weeks of painting.
[1:00:18] >> What are you going to do for traffic
[1:00:20] management that the trail
[1:00:22] >> will open back up?
[1:00:23] >> We'll continue to have our detour. Um
[1:00:27] yeah, we'll have to face that.
[1:00:29] >> We'll have a detour somehow. Are are we
[1:00:33] gonna
[1:00:34] It would be a mistake if somebody got
[1:00:36] hit by a car
[1:00:39] getting across 800 North on our brand
[1:00:41] new bridge because the trail wasn't
[1:00:42] open,
[1:00:43] >> right?
[1:00:45] Yeah, we're going to have to visit that.
[1:00:48] I don't know if we have a plan fully for
[1:00:49] that yet.
[1:00:51] >> Um yeah, anyways, it's on track and it's
[1:00:54] looking good to open up in the next
[1:00:55] couple weeks.
[1:00:58] >> Are you doing a little
[1:01:00] Yeah, I believe the administration is
[1:01:02] planning something the week after the
[1:01:04] 24th of July. Um, just with the where we
[1:01:07] have it planned the week of the 4th and
[1:01:08] then the mural is supposed to be done
[1:01:10] the week of the 24th, they felt it was
[1:01:12] best just to go the week after to do
[1:01:15] some sort of celebration and and be able
[1:01:17] to highlight all those things, not in
[1:01:19] conflict with the holidays. And so,
[1:01:22] >> yeah, you don't want to,
[1:01:24] >> right?
[1:01:27] Thank you. On behalf of
[1:01:31] >> uh yeah on the capital improvement
[1:01:34] projects update. These are the projects
[1:01:36] that um our department engineering is
[1:01:38] doing as speaking. We have the south
[1:01:41] state street trail project going on.
[1:01:42] It's a 10 ft sidewalk trail carbon
[1:01:44] gutter storm improvement along with
[1:01:46] street lights. Uh this is between 300
[1:01:48] south and 900 south on state street. Um
[1:01:51] the project will complete um by October
[1:01:54] 15th. 850 east sidewalk construction of
[1:01:57] 5 feet sidewalk urban gutter 80
[1:02:00] improvements along with storm
[1:02:01] improvements uh from uh center street to
[1:02:05] 150 south along 850 east the project
[1:02:08] will complete sometime in mid July 700
[1:02:11] east 800 north signal this is
[1:02:14] construction of a new three-way signal
[1:02:15] at the intersection of again 700 east
[1:02:17] 800 north uh project will complete by
[1:02:20] end of July 1 1600 west sidewalk project
[1:02:24] uh this is a connecting sidewalk project
[1:02:26] from 80 south to 180 south along 1600
[1:02:29] west. Uh it includes sidewalk carbon
[1:02:32] gutters, some storm improvements and
[1:02:34] project will complete by end of June. We
[1:02:37] have our crack seal project going on.
[1:02:39] That project will complete um or at
[1:02:42] least we'll have a stop to it um end of
[1:02:45] this week. So this is the last week of
[1:02:46] our seal project. 900 East 900 South
[1:02:49] sidewalk project. We did finish that
[1:02:51] project last week. Uh our Franklin CDBG
[1:02:55] we did about 33 um ADA ramps in Franklin
[1:02:58] neighborhood. Uh that project completed
[1:03:00] last week. Our foothills CDBG project we
[1:03:04] started that project last week. We're
[1:03:05] going to be in foothills for another I
[1:03:07] would say two to three weeks. Uh and
[1:03:09] then 500 north 200 west signal
[1:03:11] reconstruction. That project will begin
[1:03:13] in the next two to three weeks. Um and
[1:03:16] it will go approximately end of July
[1:03:20] sometime in August.
[1:03:26] that one
[1:03:31] » and we're putting in protected left
[1:03:33] turns there too.
[1:03:36] >> So that'll match what we're doing on
[1:03:38] University on Fifth.
[1:03:42] » Um I have one last thing. Uh University
[1:03:45] Avenue bridge replacement update. Um the
[1:03:49] good news is uh UD do told the
[1:03:52] contractor they couldn't close the
[1:03:54] entire two lanes on the southbound
[1:03:55] off-ramp or on ramp. Uh so they're
[1:03:58] closing half of the time and so we got
[1:04:00] to keep that road that uh access open to
[1:04:03] southbound I-15 at the ramp. Um our
[1:04:08] boring is going better. um better
[1:04:11] meaning
[1:04:14] we're able to get through the whatever
[1:04:16] blockage we had and we're moving forward
[1:04:19] and when there's been no disruptions to
[1:04:21] the railroad. Uh to tell you how close
[1:04:24] that is, if we we they take shots
[1:04:27] surveyed three times a day, if we're 1/8
[1:04:30] of an inch difference, we have to
[1:04:32] contact the railroad. If we're a quarter
[1:04:34] inch, we have to stop work. Well, that's
[1:04:38] I mean that's how
[1:04:40] tight that is.
[1:04:42] Anyway, um a little bit better news is
[1:04:45] uh 600 South. Uh we've been working with
[1:04:48] the railroad on that one. We did get
[1:04:50] final approval to move forward with our
[1:04:52] trail and uh and uh fencing project and
[1:04:57] new curb and gutter and parking along
[1:05:00] south. Uh over the next couple weeks, we
[1:05:03] should see the railroad be moving all of
[1:05:06] their railroad materials, what I refer
[1:05:08] to as junk, uh right along here. Uh
[1:05:13] the railroad treasures, uh old ties, old
[1:05:17] tie plates, new tie plates, if you want
[1:05:19] a new tie plate. Anyway, they're all
[1:05:21] down there and they're going to be
[1:05:22] relocating those.
[1:05:23] >> My understanding is they were dumping
[1:05:25] that on Provo City property.
[1:05:27] Yes, it was Provo City property and you
[1:05:30] mentioned these nine law. So, it took
[1:05:33] two and a half years to convince up that
[1:05:36] they were on our property.
[1:05:38] >> Um, the neighborhood
[1:05:40] that
[1:05:42] the original project limits was from
[1:05:44] first west to second east.
[1:05:46] >> Um, our bid came in where we were able
[1:05:49] to do all the way to Fort East. We had
[1:05:51] planned it. We got funding to Second
[1:05:53] East, but our bid I didn't have to go
[1:05:55] back and ask for more money. We got two
[1:05:57] more blocks out of it. We're really
[1:05:59] excited about that.
[1:06:02] >> Exact
[1:06:10] um where the park is and then second
[1:06:12] east to our bike way.
[1:06:19] » All right. very much. Uh, one last
[1:06:22] announcement before we adjourn is that
[1:06:24] there will be no T-MAC meeting in July.
[1:06:27] So, the next one will be on August. I
[1:06:29] don't know what the date is.
[1:06:30] >> Same third Thursday in August where we
[1:06:33] will dedicate the entire meeting to
[1:06:36] Greg.
[1:06:37] >> My grad student will be coming the bulk
[1:06:40] of the presentation.
[1:06:40] >> I hope we'll see.
[1:06:43] And
[1:06:44] >> with that, um, I'll entertain a motion
[1:06:47] to adjurnn.
[1:06:51] We need a vote.