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>> All right. We like to welcome everyone

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to the Provo Municipal Council work

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meeting. It is July 14th, 2026. It is

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1:00 p.m. Do we have Gary on Zoom,

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Kevin?

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» more people in the back.

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» All right, we are we'll have a roll call

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of elected officials. We have councelor

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Jeff Whitlock. We have councelor Becky

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Fogden, myself, Katrice Mccay, we have

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councelor Rachel Whipple and um we

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expect others eminently.

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Um all this is a public meeting. Only

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the presenters and those invited by the

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council may speak as questions unless

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otherwise invited by the chair. Please

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wait to speak until called on by the

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council chair. When speaking, please be

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sure to use your microphone so the

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record is clear and those attending

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sure to limit side conversations as they

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please set up step out of the work

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meeting. Is proposed that we approve the

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following minutes September 23rd, 2025

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council meeting and December 16th, 2025

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council meeting. May 26, 2026 council

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meeting and May 23rd,

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2026 work meeting. Are there any

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objections or requesting changes?

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Seeing none, I will declare them as

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approved by unanimous consent.

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All right. Our first presentation is

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regarding the Mountainland Association

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of Governments or MAG as we always call

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it. So we are lucky to have like the

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three heavy hitters here today. We have

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Lenise Davenport, the NO director of

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MAG, Kevin Felt, the transportation

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planning manager, and Bob Allen, the

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transportation programming manager. Um,

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we had them come. I've been going to the

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NO meetings and they volunteered that

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they've been going to a lot of the

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council meetings. And so, one thing I

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realized when I started going to the NO

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meetings is that we just knew nothing

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about that. And whereas in our form of

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government, the council is over

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100% the master transportation plan and

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the um the budget that um you know these

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are things that are good for us to be

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aware of and the coordination that we

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have with MAG as far as funding and the

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big projects that we could never do on

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our own. So um go ahead. We're starting

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with awesome. Thank you chair.

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Do you want me here or there?

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>> But if anyone stands up to comment while

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>> Okay. Okay. [laughter] Thank you so

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much.

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>> All right. So, thank you, Madam Chair.

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As um noted, my name is Lenny

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Mountainland Association of Governments.

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Um we um provided a presentation that

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we'll run through, but importantly like

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um Chair McCay noted, we're really here

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to share the work that we do with you

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all in partnership with you um and

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invite you to to to ask questions and

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participate in the dialogue moving

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forward. We do have a chunk of time on

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the time on the agenda today. Um I don't

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unless we get into a heavy Q&A session.

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we can go to the neck. Do you want me to

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Before we get into the MO or the

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Metropolitan Planning Organization.

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an organization. So, um the Mountainland

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Association of Governments or MAG is one

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of Utah's seven association of

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governments. And really all that means

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is Utah is broken up into these regions

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that have regional organizations that

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represent regions. So for the MAG

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region, we represent Utah Summit and

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Wasach counties. Um we have a sister AOG

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and NO to the north of us, the Wasatch

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Front Regional Council. They represent

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five counties. And then you can see all

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29 counties in the state of Utah are

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represented by these AOGs. We were

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created in the early 70s. Um, and you

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can see on here why we were created

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essentially to collaborate regionally.

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organization is working with all of the

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cities and counties within our region.

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boundaries. We also connect communities

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to resources. Um, that's a really

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important element of what we do.

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administer, the the grants, the funding,

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the technical assistance, it is all um

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essentially meant to help local

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governments or assist local governments

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in some way. Um yes. Yes, please.

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what criteria did they utilize use to

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create these associations? you know,

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geographic, I would assume. Was it based

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on transportation corridors? Was it

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based on growing demographics? Just high

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level. How did they decide?

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the governor then. Um, and it was really

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but hold on. And it was really based on

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um just working together. Um, but okay,

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understanding is if you look at the map

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and you think watersheds,

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that's a lot of what the AOGs were based

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off of in the beginning was water

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planning. And so, if you kind of think

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of the Pearl River watershed, that's how

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is there do we have cogs? Is there a cog

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that represents? Okay. Some um counties

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have what they call councils of

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governments where they bring together

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districts and other entities within

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their their county or multicounty region

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um as a way to basically create that conversation. And so they thought

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let's just take it to that even bigger

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level at the regional level and get

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invite I invite lots more as we continue

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departments. We have an aging

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department. We used to have a community

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economic development department. A lot

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of that work has actually been um

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assumed within my department which is

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the planning for growth or the planning

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department. Um and we'll get into more

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planning department here in just a

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planning department. Okay. So, we're

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as a whole. A lot of the work that we do

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government or the state government and

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Planning Organization or MOO we received

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the a federal designation from the US

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Metropolitan Organization planning which

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is essentially transportation planning.

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planning organization or RPO. That work

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federal assistance and then also

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therefore no federal sort of guidelines

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that we have to fall within for Summit

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deliverable that we create as an NO is

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the regional transportation plan. Our

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regional transportation plan is long

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range meaning we look to the future. We

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look to the year 2055. We consider all

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modes of transportation, road, active

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transportation and transit. Um and we

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phase it based on or or assume um a

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timeline of of transportation projects

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based on what we call fiscal constraint.

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he comes up for his turn later in the

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presentation. The other major program

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that we administer is the transportation

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improvement program or the tip program.

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future. We put all of our future hats

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boundaries, thinking regionally. These

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are the transportation needs. Those are

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identified in our plan. Then we say, how

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do we think can we fund the projects

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that are identified in the plan? We as

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an organization have a smallish funding

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pot to do that. That's the tip. So that

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can fund some smaller capital projects,

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regional capital projects within our you our county. We we

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administer a handful of other programs

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and we'll get into these later too and

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um it's important for you to know that

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we administer a community development

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block grant program whose objective is

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to benefit low and moderate income

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communities. We administer a technical

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advisory grant, technical assistance to

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governments, excuse me, tag, technical

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assistance to governments program that

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implements uh transportation and land

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use visions, plans, and studies. Um we

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coordinate economic development

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regionally. Um and importantly, I'm

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strategic vision bullet point here. Um a

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couple of years ago we worked with all

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including of course Provo City to

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identify um what should our region look

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like? What's our regional vision for the

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future? Not just transportation but

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transportation and some land use. So

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this is called the Wasatch Choice

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Vision. We have some handouts that just

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presentation that has a QR code that you

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Wasatch Choice Vision. But essentially

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we're growing we're growing very rapidly

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Vision and that plan is the regional

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transportation plan and both of those

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have been created in partnership with

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you and and all of the other cities in

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Utah County.

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All right. So, so what exactly is an or

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metropolitan planning organization? Like

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I said, we're federally designated um

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and we're responsible for creating an

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RTP and administering a TIP. We're

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governed importantly by the local

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elected officials that make up um Utah

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County. So, every mayor, every mayor um

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within Utah County is on our board. Um

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we also have all three county

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commissioners as a member of our board.

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And importantly, because we're creating

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transportation plans um and and working

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towards implementing those plans, we

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have to have our transportation

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partners. So, UDOT, UTA, the Department

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of Air Quality as well as FHWA are also

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members of our board, the MO board. Um

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yes, please.

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>> The FHWA, that's the Federal Highway

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Administration. Yep. There's and there's

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the Federal Transit Administration, too.

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So it's really important that we are

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getting that those those that you know

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because they provide a lot of the

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funding that we do for the work that we

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do. So they set the parameters and then

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they want to make sure that they have

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you know a a regular check-in on how

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well we're we're meeting those those

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goals and objectives that we identify.

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Um, also importantly is the last bullet

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on this what we do list, which is all of

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the planners and engineers within the

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communities within Utah County are are

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part of what we call a technical

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advisory committee or a TAC. That TAC um

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they're the first persons that see the

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work that we do. We vet all of the work

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that we do through that TAC body and

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then the TAC um essentially it's like a

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planning commission to a city council.

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The TAC is like our planning commission.

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They vet it, they look at it, they

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review it, and they say, "Yes, we think

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this should go to the board, or it's

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maybe not ready to go to the board yet."

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Um, so that's our technical experts, our

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staff. Um, they're the TAC, and then

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they report to the governing body, which

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is the MO board.

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>> Yes.

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>> Give us an example.

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Is it like members from different cities

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like

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>> Yeah.

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>> works department?

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>> Yeah. So Vern Keiesler from Provo is is

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our is your representative on our TAC on

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our board. Um and then does um Gordon I

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think you've attended a few of our TAC

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meetings as well? We'd love to have

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Gordon. Gordon's amazing. Um Bob, are

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there any other folks that you can think

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of that have come that participate in

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the TAC from Provo?

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>> Not from Provo. Typically it's either

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like the city engineer or the public

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works director or the planning director,

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[clears throat] someone of that level.

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And for the last probably two years

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been very active

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too. [laughter]

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Well,

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what I'm kind of wondering to is from

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what I've heard

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the funding is allocated in a certain

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way where this and tell me if I'm wrong,

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this T team will go out and like look at

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all of these projects and then they'll

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come back and they'll say this one

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should be a high priority, this should

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be the next priority, this should be the

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next priority and then it's on.

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>> Do you Yeah. And basically that's the

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tip pri priorization process and

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essentially we'll get into this in a

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minute but

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>> and maybe high level yes there is a

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technical score that MAG staff looks at

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and then there is the technical advisory

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committee that's made up of all those

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folks and they score it and those two

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scores come together to become like

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50/50 become one score and then

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important to know this it's a decision

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informing tool not a decision decision

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making tool, i.e. one through 25 isn't

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the final, it's the starting point.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Excellent.

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All right. And with that, actually, my

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portion is done and I'll turn the time

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over to Kevin Phelp who's going to

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unpack the RTP for you even more and

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then I'll come back up later. Thanks.

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>> Thank you for having us today. This is a good a good opportunity for us

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to hopefully impart upon you what we do

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and how we can coord Yes. know the ear

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is now online and that we've had

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and pray join us.

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>> Thank you. [clears throat] So,

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like what Bob was saying, there's two things here. There's the

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regional transportation plan, which is

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the long-term view, and Bob's part is

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the transportation improvement program,

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which is the short-term view. And I'll

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kind of get to that in a little bit,

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too. So what we do in the regional

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transportation plan is we're looking at

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roads, transit, active transportation,

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all forms of mobility within the

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urbanized area of Utah County.

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What we're trying to do is ensure the

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safe and efficient movement of all

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mobility such that um goods and services

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and and other things can can get moved

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around.

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So when we develop this, we do it across

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all city boundaries. You guys develop

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your your local plans. We take that

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plan, incorporate it into ours and then

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incorporate ORMS and Spanish Fork and

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Salem and Eagle Mountain and all these

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other cities within the urbanized area.

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We compile those and then we start to

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look at the regionally significant

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projects. A lot of your plans are going

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to have local streets and things. We're

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looking at the regionally significant

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projects.

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um um roadway facilities for instance

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such as Center Street or State Street,

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I-15, the real big projects, big big

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roads. And on the transit side, we're

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looking at projects that are like UVX

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and Front Runner and those kind of

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things, the the more not the local bus

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that goes kind of everywhere. We're just

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looking at the regionally significant

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ones, ones that kind of really impact

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everybody.

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And then on the active transportation

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side, we're looking at those projects

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that connect to the Utah trail network

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primarily.

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Um, so again, we go across city

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boundaries. We look at all of the all of

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the different jurisdictions within the

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urbanized area of Utah County, which is

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pretty much all of Utah County. Um, we

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use a qualitative and a quantitative

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data analysis. Um, as Bob mentioned,

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what we'll do is we'll kind of gather

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all these plans. We will um uh then come

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up with some additional projects

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possibly and then we'll add look at

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those and kind of initially screen them.

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We'll come back and do a more technical

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analysis which is where the point we are

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right now and what we do there is we we

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score the projects. We have a long list

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of projects and what we'll do is then

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provide that information to the decision

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bodies first the technical advisory

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committee and then they'll make a

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recommendation to the MO board and then

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eventually we phase the projects which

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projects go in the first 10 years which

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projects go in the second 10 years and

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which projects go in the last 10 years.

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Then we have an additional category of

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projects that are called exploratory

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things that are just kind of being

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dreamed up and those kind of things.

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Um

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we looking at the long range needs not

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what's in the next four, five, six,

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seven years. We're looking at again

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things very very long term and we try to

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do that with the trends. You know if you

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if we had done this plan now before CO

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we do it every four years but in before

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CO we had a different travel behavior

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different trip making behavior um

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amongst our residents and things have

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changed you know we now have these

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technologies where people can join us

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online people can have remote meetings

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um we don't uh work a full week in the

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office we do some telecommuting those

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kind of things so things have changed So

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those trends are changing. The other

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trends that are changing are the amount

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of people that are moving into Utah

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County, the amount of jobs that are

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moving into Utah County. So we look at

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all those and we kind of try to project

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that out for 25 to 30 years or so.

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Again, updated every four years. And the

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one that we are currently doing that

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will be hopefully adopted next uh next

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July is the 2055 horizon year RTP.

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So what it is, it's again a unified

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transportation blueprint for Rita

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County. It's a plan that aides you in

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your your growth. Where are these

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facilities going to be and how do I plan

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my growth around them? Um approve

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regional improve regional mobility needs

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and really it also again as I mentioned

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we're using your plans to help become

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the foundation for our plan. um and

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projects financial needs and and funds.

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And that's really important from the

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standpoint of every project in our plan

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has to have enough money for it to be

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moved forward.

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So what we do is we look at a um all

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that list of projects. We find out how

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much each of them cost and then we look

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at how much revenue we anticipate over

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the first 10, the second 10 and the last

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10 years. And we do not assign money to

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any particular project. We just know

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that we have $100 million to spend and

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we have $100 million worth of projects.

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So those become part of our plan.

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So we also don't

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allocate, like I said, we don't allocate

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monies. Yes.

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>> If you have a hundred million dollars of

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projects and you allocate 100, they're

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all funded, right? They are.

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>> What do you mean you don't do specific

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projects?

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>> There's a lot of No, there's a lot of

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different um funding sources. There's

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federal funding, there's state funding,

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there's some local funding that helps

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the state and federal funding as our

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matching.

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There's transit money, there's highway

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money, there's active transportation

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money. So, we add up all this money and

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we find out how much total we have and

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then we just go down and assign projects

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to be be able to be funded. It's almost

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like you have um you want to purchase a

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home and you've got um

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three or four different bank accounts or

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three or four different

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[snorts]

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funding sources for yourself. and you

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don't know which funding source you're

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going to use to buy that house yet, but

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you know you have enough money amongst

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those three or four sources to buy the

544
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,880
house. That kind of that kind of an

545
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,559
idea. [clears throat]

546
00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:35,600
>> Can I add something?

547
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,919
>> I think it's it's important to note that

548
00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:40,400
within each of those phases, we have a

549
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,960
needs list and we have a fiscally

550
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,320
constrained list. So, we certainly do

551
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,080
not have enough money for all of the

552
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,919
projects that we've identified in each

553
00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:52,799
of the phases of the RTP. Um, and so

554
00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:54,799
therefore, we know it's a need. We know

555
00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:56,960
it's a need, you know, when it's needed,

556
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,799
we but we just don't have enough money.

557
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:00,640
So, there's a couple of different types

558
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,720
of of projects when it comes.

559
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,559
>> Yeah, I was that's my next part is that

560
00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:06,400
so we have the $100 million in the first

561
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,960
phase. We have a list of 10 projects,

562
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,280
let's say, but we also have a need for

563
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,159
another five projects. those five

564
00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:15,760
projects in the first phase that are

565
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,480
needed end up in the second phase that

566
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,360
could be funded. And so we kind of go

567
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:26,230
through the process that way.

568
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:32,070
» So I've heard

569
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,320
former

570
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,880
directors that I've heard you get

571
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,360
through the first phase first before you

572
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:40,880
start thinking about the second phase.

573
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,600
Is that true?

574
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,559
>> Yes. So we again we we look at revenues.

575
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,960
What revenues do we anticipate between

576
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,400
2027 and 2037

577
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,880
when this will be adopted? And when we

578
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,760
say let's say again $100 million. And we

579
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,080
know from 2037 to 2047 we're going to

580
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,559
have $150 million. But we know that in

581
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:06,159
the first phase, even though we only

582
00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:09,520
have $100 million available, we may have

583
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,039
$125 million of need.

584
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:16,000
>> So that other $25 million worth of

585
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,760
projects gets moved to the second phase,

586
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,679
which then becomes part of that 150

587
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:23,200
million that we have available.

588
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,240
Does that make sense? taking that off.

589
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,149
>> Becky,

590
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:32,960
» I think Becky's als

591
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,919
one one project, right?

592
00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:37,120
>> Well, okay. Yeah.

593
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:38,960
>> Well, but it could be like for instance,

594
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,200
we've got this project in our plan for

595
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,240
crossing Utah Lake. That is going to

596
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,799
take up most if not all of the money in

597
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:49,120
one phase. So, it might have to be and

598
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,120
it's going to be a long project. So you

599
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:52,640
would have to phase that project out as

600
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,039
you're saying phase one in the first 10

601
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:56,320
years phase two and

602
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,600
>> yes and another similar type situation

603
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,120
would be um the central corridor transit

604
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:06,159
um corridor where we might start in

605
00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:09,039
phase one just funding an enhanced bus

606
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:12,080
service and then in phase two we might

607
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,120
fund a BRT type service and finally in

608
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,120
phase three we would fund a light rail

609
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,120
service in that same corridor. So, we

610
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,440
kind of step into it, if you will, or

611
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,159
some projects. Um, and again, the Lake

612
00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:25,760
Crossing might be a good example in that

613
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,760
initially we put it in as a four-lane

614
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,679
roadway, but we know that eventually 15

615
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:33,279
years from now, we're going to need six

616
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,640
lanes. So, we just put it in the first

617
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,919
part as a four lane, find the pull, the

618
00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:41,600
additional two lanes later on. Kind of

619
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,960
an idea. [snorts]

620
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,320
But just to get back to the needs, that

621
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,520
first phase, that first 10 years, those

622
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,520
are the critical needs. Even though you

623
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,000
might have needs that are five in the

624
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,760
next 10 years, which will be 20 years

625
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,480
out,

626
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,279
>> but you try to work through those first

627
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:01,919
>> 10 years before you start hitting those

628
00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:03,679
other years. But if you don't get

629
00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:05,360
through all of them, then that gets

630
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,919
regrouped down to in the in the 20-year

631
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:08,240
phase,

632
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,679
>> right? And again, we do this every four

633
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:11,440
years. So some projects that might be in

634
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,600
the second phase this time around

635
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,200
>> might move to the first phase the next

636
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:15,679
time

637
00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:16,960
>> or might get pushed now

638
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,400
>> or might be moved to the third phase if

639
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,320
they're not as big a priority anymore.

640
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,960
>> Gotcha. And that's all determined by the

641
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,880
scoring system. The rubric that's

642
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,240
>> well it's determined by the scoring

643
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,720
system as far as how we rank them. When

644
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,159
it comes to actually putting them in a

645
00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:32,640
phase there's a whole another analysis

646
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,279
that becomes a little more

647
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,159
subjective maybe a better way to put it.

648
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:41,600
Um, sometimes like Bob mentioned, um, a

649
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,480
project might be ranking number 10 on

650
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,360
the on the on the on the ranking list,

651
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,200
but it might be a much more needed

652
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,159
project politically and it gets moved up

653
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:54,559
a little bit maybe.

654
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:54,960
>> Thanks.

655
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,640
>> So, does that part then is that more

656
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,960
done by the no board or that that

657
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,400
they're doing on votes?

658
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,029
>> Yes.

659
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:06,799
Councelor Whitlock,

660
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:09,360
>> one question I have is

661
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,120
how there's this [clears throat] the

662
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,679
unified Utah's unified transportation

663
00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:14,799
plan.

664
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,200
>> How does that compare to our specific

665
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,240
RTP for MA?

666
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,840
>> So RTP becomes an input into that into

667
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,679
that unified transportation plan and all

668
00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:26,480
the other NPOS as well. Their their

669
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,799
plans like we're doing get put in as

670
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,480
input and then the regional plans get

671
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,720
put in as input. Then the state kind of

672
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,840
goes down that list.

673
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,679
>> And then when there's discrepancies, why

674
00:26:35,679 --> 00:26:38,799
do those typically happen?

675
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:39,760
>> Discrepancies.

676
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,240
>> Well, for example, I think in in the

677
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,000
current Utah unified transportation

678
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,080
plan, there's like three potential lake

679
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,480
crossing versus in ours, there's just

680
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,799
one. I'm just curious like how those

681
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:51,600
>> TBA

682
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,880
>> that particular project in general, the the different ones are um

683
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,760
possibilities. We've got one that's

684
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,679
showing the

685
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:02,320
>> um

686
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,080
>> center street provo ones.

687
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,840
>> Yeah, we're trying to cost it out. So,

688
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,360
we'll just cost one of them out and then

689
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,279
the other two are still possibilities.

690
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:09,760
>> Got it.

691
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,200
>> The other thing to um think about with

692
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,480
all this is some of the work we do gets

693
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,679
ahead of some other more detailed work.

694
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:21,360
For instance, on that particular lake

695
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,840
crossing you're referring to,

696
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,760
um, UD do is currently doing what's

697
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,520
called a planning environmental linkage

698
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,200
study. We call it a PEL. And that PEL is

699
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,159
a precursor to a national environmental

700
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:36,960
policy act, a NEPA project. And what

701
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,960
that PEL is trying to do is they're

702
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,840
trying to identify an alignment or

703
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,799
alignments that serve the northwest part

704
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,120
of Utah County and the northern part of

705
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:50,240
Utah County. How do they get from Eagle

706
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,279
Mountain, Saratoga Springs, Fairfield

707
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,919
over to I-15 for instance? And then once

708
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:00,799
our plan will be done before that is so

709
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:02,320
we're going to put in what we think is

710
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,360
the right answer and then couple years

711
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,480
from now when they finish that project,

712
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,760
they may come up with a different

713
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,120
solution that's more because we're

714
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,720
looking at a lot more detail than we

715
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,840
will. So we we would then amend our plan

716
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,240
to put that new alignment in if that's

717
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,559
what happens.

718
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:21,919
I think the important thing here on this

719
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:24,080
slide really is this bottom part here

720
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,840
and that any project that receives

721
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,640
federal or state funding has to be in

722
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,520
our plan.

723
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,120
Not worried about the local funding.

724
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,600
can help as far as

725
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,919
matching the federal and state funding.

726
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:40,000
But anytime they receive federal and

727
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,840
state funding, particularly state roads,

728
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,760
federal roads, those kind of things,

729
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,440
that has to be in our plan for it to

730
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,149
receive that type of funding.

731
00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:51,600
And I'll just touch on this real

732
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,159
quickly. What we're doing right now is

733
00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:55,440
we kind of talked about some of the

734
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,600
process already is we're going through

735
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,080
the project measures and kind of how we

736
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,840
weight these projects against all the

737
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,360
goals that we have. Um, in September,

738
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,240
the TAC and board will receive

739
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,720
information and adopt a final ranking

740
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360
list, not a phasing list, but a ranking

741
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,000
list. And then we'll start our initial

742
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,120
phasing process in October. And the

743
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,440
final project phasing and draft regional

744
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,039
transportation plan will be done in

745
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:24,960
November.

746
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,120
The spacing part is a really really

747
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,240
important [clears throat] part of this

748
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,240
whole process because even though the

749
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,360
projects may be ranked one to 100, they

750
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,880
get kind of maybe jumbled up a little

751
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,240
bit in the project phase and what

752
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,240
becomes more of a need from a from a

753
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,799
subjective standpoint.

754
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:46,559
Then in u January, we'll receive the uh

755
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:48,480
approval to go ahead and do what we call

756
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,600
our air quality uh uh

757
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,640
public involvement process in February.

758
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,600
And then in March, we'll take anything

759
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,640
that the legislature provides to us um

760
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,679
with any output from the uh February

761
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:08,960
public involvement process, readjust the

762
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,720
plan a little bit, take it back to the

763
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,240
TAC and board and then in um April and

764
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,159
May that the board will have their final

765
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:18,960
opportunities to to adjust things and in

766
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,840
June hopefully hopefully adopt it. But

767
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,559
the real the real big thing is this this ranking piece comes from technical

768
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,279
analysis. This phasing piece comes from

769
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,080
more of a community input analysis, if

770
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,520
you will.

771
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,600
>> Yes.

772
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,880
>> So um

773
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,279
our master transportation plan informs

774
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,640
your RTP.

775
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,080
>> Yes.

776
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,520
And then there's the input of

777
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,440
your board, the MO board. That

778
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,799
is the final approval process or Yes.

779
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:55,840
input process.

780
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,159
>> Yes.

781
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:00,159
>> Yeah. Now, the part we take from your

782
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,320
local plan is just the region

783
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,679
significant roadways,

784
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:04,159
>> right?

785
00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:06,880
>> We're not worried about

786
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,520
um

787
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,240
>> south.

788
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,480
>> Yeah. those kind of things or First

789
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,640
North or something like that that those

790
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,159
improvements those are completely local

791
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:15,520
goal. Those are not ones that we're

792
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,520
going to um put into our plan.

793
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,510
>> I was going to say third

794
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,080
example

795
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,679
>> I'm not familiar enough but

796
00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:28,710
>> north

797
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,320
worried about unless you want

798
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,080
>> tell my district you don't care about we

799
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,000
care but we're not going to dictate

800
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,039
anything. Well, if you want to

801
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,120
federalize it, [laughter]

802
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,720
I mean, and then there's a whole another ball of string that goes

803
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,480
with the the federal project. So, we try

804
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,240
to unfederalize things as much as we

805
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,880
can.

806
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,640
>> Um, yeah, I was just going to say it

807
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,640
sounds like 99% of the roads and

808
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,320
transportation

809
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,080
corridors and such you don't in Provo,

810
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,440
you don't really aren't really concerned

811
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000
with, right? Um, can you, and I'm

812
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,440
putting you on the spot here, can you

813
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,159
list your top three or four that we

814
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:04,159
really need to make sure that our

815
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:06,080
transportation master plan aligns well

816
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,240
with? Is there are there things that

817
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,440
you're looking at right now and saying,

818
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,799
"Hey, Provo, make sure you get this

819
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:12,000
right because this is really important

820
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,519
to us or

821
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,080
>> um, yes, there are a couple. Uh,

822
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,080
primarily I-15 for instance, but that

823
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,679
really isn't going to fall in your your

824
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:22,480
plan per se. But we do have a corridor,

825
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,519
a lake view corridor that comes off of

826
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,159
the Geneva Road area and comes down past

827
00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:31,039
the airport and crosses Provo Bay and

828
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,799
goes towards Spanish Fork. Something

829
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:34,880
like that. We would want to have

830
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,640
>> um a lot of what we would be most

831
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,679
concerned about or find most helpful are

832
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:41,919
those local roadways that connect to

833
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:44,080
these regional roadways. How can we

834
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,399
better improve access to the regional

835
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:48,399
roadways? How can we better improve

836
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:50,799
dispersion from the regional roadways?

837
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:56,389
Those types of things.

838
00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,240
» And another question I have

839
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,919
>> under your uh project measures weight

840
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:04,240
ranking. What are some examples of the

841
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,600
types of weights you put on criteria

842
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,640
analysis you do?

843
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,640
>> Yeah, so we've got a a list of we have

844
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,240
five goals and then there are um

845
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,279
probably 15 or so

846
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:19,679
um criteria that we're measuring these

847
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:23,120
goals on. Some of them include um does

848
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,799
the facility go through a high growth

849
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,640
area. Does it connect to some of the

850
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,519
Waset's choice vision centers that would

851
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,799
be in Provo for instance? Um on the

852
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,760
transit side might be something like um

853
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,760
amount of population within a quarter

854
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,159
mile of of the transit service within

855
00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:42,399
walking distance in other words. So a

856
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:44,720
lot of those types of things.

857
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,240
So, we're just going through that

858
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,760
process, getting that finished right

859
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,480
now. And then the weights, we're going

860
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,360
to weight each goal. And I don't have

861
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,880
them off memorized off the top of my

862
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,000
head, but it's like access to

863
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,600
opportunities, safety, air quality, some

864
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,960
of those kind of things.

865
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,640
>> Are those published now or they're

866
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,760
you're working on themselves?

867
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,000
>> The goals are published now. Yes. And

868
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,919
one of the things we'll be asking the

869
00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:10,639
technical advisory committee, the board

870
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,079
in August is, okay, here's the project

871
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,839
rankings with a static 25% or 20% for

872
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:20,879
each of the five goals.

873
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:25,520
Well, it's not the goals are al also

874
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,679
applied by mode. So, you're not ranking

875
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,599
a transit project against a roadway

876
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,520
project or an active transportation

877
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,119
project against a roadway project

878
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,440
because it would just fail every time.

879
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,679
So what we're doing is we're taking each

880
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,280
mode roadways, transit, and active

881
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,119
transportation, and ranking the project

882
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,359
separately, scoring them against each

883
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:46,639
other.

884
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,879
>> Are those three modes?

885
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,720
>> The three primary

886
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:53,119
>> like do trails fall in active transit?

887
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:55,040
>> Yes. And the active transportation is

888
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,399
sort of a catch-all for like the

889
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:59,520
scooters and bicycles and walking and

890
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:00,720
all kinds of things that aren't

891
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,720
motorized basically, right? Um

892
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,720
so then what we'll do is we'll take this

893
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,240
static

894
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,720
percentage of a weight and then ask the

895
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,359
TAC and the board to say well gee you

896
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:16,320
know we act we value safety more than we

897
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,200
value access to opportunities or we

898
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,280
value air quality more than we value

899
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,599
safety or whatever that the the decision

900
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,280
is. And so those rankings may change to

901
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,400
40% in 20 2020 20 or something like

902
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,760
that. But the idea is that there's this

903
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,040
opportunity to adjust the waiting which

904
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,760
will then adjust the priority somehow

905
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,079
that it'll affect, you know, one project

906
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:43,920
might do better if it's weighted higher

907
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,920
on safety and lower on access or

908
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:46,960
something.

909
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,390
>> Thank you.

910
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,200
» All right, any other questions? All

911
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,280
right, I'll let Bob talk about the real

912
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,079
good stuff. The real good stuff. Um,

913
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,839
I'm going to talk about the tip really

914
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:05,280
quick, but I want to step back. Um,

915
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,640
council member, you asked about FHWA,

916
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,920
and I think it's really important that

917
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,119
we highlight AFHWA, because the Federal

918
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,040
Highway Administration, basically,

919
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,599
they're the ones that tell us how to put

920
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,680
together an RTP, our regional

921
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,520
transportation plan, and how we need to

922
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,000
put together the tip, right? And so

923
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,760
they're kind of not our bosses, but

924
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,920
they're they're the cops that say, "This

925
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,440
is the law. This is what you're going to

926
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,680
do." So when we talk about strange

927
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,800
things like fiscal constraint or air

928
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,800
quality conformity, those are all rules

929
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,640
that are given to us by the federal

930
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,240
government that we have to follow in

931
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,720
developing our processes.

932
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,520
And I bring that up because it's really

933
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,440
important. We talked about funding and

934
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,520
fiscal constraint. And it's really

935
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,079
important when we talk about the RTP,

936
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,000
we're not really talking about real

937
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,760
money when it comes to fiscal

938
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,880
constraint. Fiscal constraint is

939
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,320
essentially an air quality um exercise

940
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,240
that we're told we have to do to make

941
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,040
sure that all the things that we do

942
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,720
we're still going to have decent air

943
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,560
quality and we can afford

944
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,760
in in the next 20 30 years we can afford

945
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,520
to do those things that will ensure we

946
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,320
have air quality but there's when a plan

947
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,960
is in we you could say funded or

948
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,200
fiscally constrained in the RTP that

949
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,119
does not mean there is any real money

950
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,480
assigned to it. Okay? Just like your

951
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,119
general plan is kind of a hey, this is

952
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:34,560
who we're going to be in the future and

953
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,079
these are some guidelines that we want

954
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,800
to follow. There's no real money

955
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,160
allocated through the plan. But you also

956
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,640
have probably Gordon a public facilities

957
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,359
plan or capital facilities plan, right?

958
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:49,599
And that's just like 5 years out into

959
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,119
the future. And that's where you really

960
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,400
are saying in 2027 we have $10 million

961
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,800
and we're going to build a new sewer

962
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,800
plant or whatever the case may be.

963
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,760
That's what the tip is. So the tip is

964
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,000
our capital facilities plan. What are we

965
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000
going to do in the next five to six

966
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,440
years and what real money are we going

967
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,760
to build? What projects are we going to

968
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,839
build with what? It's federalally

969
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:17,200
required. Um we and this is basically

970
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,599
the implementation

971
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,160
arm of the RTP. This is how we implement

972
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,960
it. It lists all regionally significant.

973
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,680
Yes, ma'am.

974
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,280
>> Okay. So really quickly, so that does

975
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,200
that mean

976
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,520
the tip comes from the RTP and that is

977
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,280
what triggers the actual job?

978
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,720
>> Exactly. Exactly. If you thought how

979
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:40,079
does a idea become a project? The very

980
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,560
high level step is a problem is

981
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,680
recognized or projected into the future.

982
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,920
We go through the RTP process to

983
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,720
identify okay what's the problem? What's

984
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,119
the right solution for it? Let's get it

985
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,599
in the adopted in the RTP. It becomes

986
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,800
fiscally constrained phase one and then

987
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,599
it goes to the tip process or the

988
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:02,560
implementation.

989
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,400
>> This is the equivalent of RCIP.

990
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,760
>> Yes. Yes. Exactly. Um, it lists all

991
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,000
regionally significant projects for all

992
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,839
transportation modes. It's not just MAG

993
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:14,000
funded projects. It's UDOT funded

994
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,480
projects, UTA funded projects. So, if

995
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,200
you looked at our tip right now, it

996
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,920
shows $3.6

997
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,000
billion worth of projects that will be

998
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,920
funded in Utah County over between now

999
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,839
and 2031.

1000
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:31,760
>> Wow. of that only

1001
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,599
500 million of that is actual MAG um

1002
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:36,640
money.

1003
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,079
>> Most of it is big U dot facilities. And

1004
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:41,920
so you kind of have to separate when a

1005
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,839
project is in the RTP and it wants to

1006
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:46,160
become a funded actual rated to dig up

1007
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,280
and build things. There's kind of two

1008
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,599
ways to go at it. There's the UD do

1009
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,240
process where it's the big stuff, the

1010
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,520
freeways, the the interchanges,

1011
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,680
the state streets, those big things. MAD

1012
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,079
can't afford those things cuz we just

1013
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,640
don't have enough revenue. U DOT and the

1014
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,240
transportation commission funds those.

1015
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,720
They go through a process that we won't

1016
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,079
go into right now, but I'm happy to

1017
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,079
unpack it with you at any time. And then

1018
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:13,680
there's the MAG process where we have

1019
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,960
very small budget that we try and phase

1020
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,680
and implement as much as we can. Um that

1021
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,079
was how we funded the two stages of the

1022
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:24,160
airport that MAG's funding the new

1023
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,320
bridge on 820 north you know yada yada a lot of those kinds of projects

1024
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,839
are funded that way um we identify a

1025
00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:33,760
funding sources and we have to do fiscal

1026
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,599
constraint we have to show because these

1027
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,680
are all projections so we have to show

1028
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,760
the federal government we say we're

1029
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,400
going to spend a hundred we're going to

1030
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,119
spend $120 million in the next we're in

1031
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,359
27 and 28 we have to show that that's

1032
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:52,400
reasonable. Um, next four to five years

1033
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,800
encompasses all that. We update it

1034
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,440
annually, but MAG only selects projects

1035
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,880
every two years. Um, and then I'm I'm I

1036
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,920
know we're running out of time, but I

1037
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,839
want to leave time for question answers.

1038
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:10,960
This is essentially what I just told you

1039
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,839
about how idea becomes a project. We

1040
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:16,720
find a problem or a need, we develop it

1041
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,760
and put it in the RTP and then it splits

1042
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,480
into those two processes of what's the

1043
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,960
right way to fund the project.

1044
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,839
Um, and with that, this is was our

1045
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:29,760
schedule. We're basically at the end of

1046
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,480
our schedule, but I think before we move

1047
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,040
on, we know that there are some specific

1048
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,800
projects maybe you wanted to talk a

1049
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,640
little bit about like 820 North or some

1050
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,359
of those others. Now's probably the time

1051
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:43,200
just so we don't overstay our welcome.

1052
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,280
>> One thing I think I just gathered that

1053
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,800
so we were supposed to do an expansion

1054
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,200
of 800 between Freedom and State Street.

1055
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,079
>> State Street. Okay. Yeah.

1056
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,040
>> So that was lined up and um we already

1057
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,119
own the easements and the hospitals on

1058
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:58,000
board

1059
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,240
>> and that's just a it's kind of what you

1060
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:01,599
referred to that's a huge um

1061
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:03,520
interconnector between two major things.

1062
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,280
>> That is a regionally significant road.

1063
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,640
>> Yeah. And um so it didn't happen in

1064
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,880
January like we anticipated.

1065
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,119
>> Um and so you said two years. Does that

1066
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:16,960
mean our next chance to get that project

1067
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,920
done is the beginning of 2028?

1068
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,240
>> Essentially we will start the next

1069
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,200
selection cycle. Our cycle takes it's

1070
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,839
every two years. It takes about 8 months

1071
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:30,319
to go through all the steps. So,

1072
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:34,960
beginning in the winter of 20, late 2027

1073
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960
is when we'll kick it off. We'll start

1074
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,400
saying, "Hey, everybody, bring us your

1075
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,440
ideas."

1076
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,599
>> And we will finalize that process and

1077
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:42,880
say, "These are the projects that are

1078
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,800
going to be funded in August of 2028."

1079
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,280
>> Now, something important to point out

1080
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,680
>> that is going to fund projects that will

1081
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,880
be built in 2031 and 2032,

1082
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,160
>> right? It's not like that.

1083
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,800
>> Yes. Okay. Perfect. And on that note,

1084
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,720
like so the mayor is the our

1085
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,040
representative on the NO. So if she

1086
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,160
hasn't put that forward, can someone

1087
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,920
else put that forward

1088
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,599
>> on the MO? It's

1089
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,599
>> like can a can a county commissioner put

1090
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:12,640
it forward? Can a

1091
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,680
>> Well, the county the county certainly um

1092
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,760
they submit projects as well. We

1093
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,119
actually had Provo City the Provo bike

1094
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,520
collective years ago requested a

1095
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,839
project. it was kind of understood that

1096
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:29,440
Provo supported that. Um, that is

1097
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,920
getting into the fine splitting hairs

1098
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,640
that I'm not necessarily ready to say

1099
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,280
could you submit it versus if the mayor

1100
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:37,520
didn't

1101
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,520
>> I think somebody on the board like a

1102
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,319
county commissioner,

1103
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:42,560
>> a county commissioner certainly. Um, I

1104
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,520
would there would certainly need to be

1105
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,359
some

1106
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:49,280
understanding between the county that's

1107
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,920
submitting it and the city so to speak.

1108
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,920
I don't we would hope that that gets

1109
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,760
figured out beforehand, but I guess

1110
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,440
technically that is possible. Yes,

1111
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,319
good question. Any do we want to talk

1112
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:04,560
specific projects? I tell me what you

1113
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,160
want to how can I answer? What can I

1114
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:06,640
answer?

1115
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,720
>> One thing you mentioned the freeway as

1116
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:11,760
being a big thing but not involving you.

1117
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,800
But doesn't that

1118
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,960
>> it does all it does involve us heavily

1119
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,640
>> does and that's part of I mean like I

1120
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,319
believe we have a freeway entrance on

1121
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:20,319
our master transportation plan

1122
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:23,920
>> on A20 or where

1123
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,240
>> I think it is

1124
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,079
>> but just the idea that it's it's it's

1125
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,000
there like as something in the future. I

1126
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:30,880
don't even know if you specified the

1127
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,160
exact spot, but

1128
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,160
>> so we so if we're talking about I-15,

1129
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,760
um there in our current plan right now,

1130
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,359
we show that I-15 is our unfortunately

1131
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:46,319
there's too many eggs in I-15 and there

1132
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:48,800
are improvements that are identified

1133
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,880
that need to take place on I-15 in the

1134
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,520
next 30 years. We're still working with

1135
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,359
UDOT to figure out exactly what that

1136
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:56,880
looks like. Is that a collector

1137
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,720
distributor system? Blah blah blah. lots

1138
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:00,720
of different things. We're kind of to

1139
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,720
the point where we can't really just add

1140
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,040
more lanes because there's a certain

1141
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,640
point with a free a road where past I

1142
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,400
think it's seven lanes the more if you

1143
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,119
add another lane it actually reduces.

1144
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:13,440
>> Yeah.

1145
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,280
>> And so we can't do that. But it would be

1146
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,839
things on the sides of the freeway to

1147
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:20,400
help the freeway function because really

1148
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,640
friction people getting on and off

1149
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,920
creates friction and that's what slows

1150
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:24,160
down.

1151
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,520
>> Kind of like you did the whole 215

1152
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,000
thing.

1153
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,160
>> Exactly. or say um Lehigh Technology

1154
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,240
Corridor where you have oneway frontage

1155
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,480
roads on each side or you could look at

1156
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,720
Salt Lake where there's the collector

1157
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,800
distributor if you're getting off on

1158
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,040
21st or 9th 7th whatever those three are

1159
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,640
you get off once and then you don't

1160
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,920
touch the freeway till you go all

1161
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,280
through that back on

1162
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,880
>> things like that

1163
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,240
>> there are certain solutions that need to

1164
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,839
be made also currently in the RTP is

1165
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:57,599
identified a future interchange in that

1166
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,880
800 820ish north area that's been in the

1167
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,680
plan for some time. And there also is a

1168
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,880
widening project on 820 north. Um I

1169
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,040
believe that is in your RTP in your

1170
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,880
transportation plan. Um and we've taken

1171
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,760
that for years, looked at it, says there

1172
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,240
are certain certainly things that that

1173
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,720
makes sense. We make sense enough that

1174
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,560
we put it in our plan. Um, and we will

1175
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,319
continue to through this process look at

1176
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:30,720
it and analyze it to make sure it makes

1177
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:32,880
sense to go through the prioritization

1178
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,760
process, etc., etc. Does that mean it

1179
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,440
automatically gets in? No. There's

1180
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,319
certainly a process to that. Um, and

1181
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:43,520
essentially, I mean, just from past

1182
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,680
experience and looking at past numbers,

1183
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,800
it really comes down to Center Street

1184
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,599
and the Parkway is why that specific

1185
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,720
project it would need to be needed.

1186
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,200
You're you house the two largest

1187
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,280
employers in the entire county, the

1188
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,160
hospital and BYU, and you can see

1189
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,800
through the modeling that that's where

1190
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,400
people want to go, whether A20 is there

1191
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,119
or not. And so it's it kind of it's not

1192
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,280
a silver bullet, but it's certainly a

1193
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,160
helpful project from looking at a very

1194
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,920
high level.

1195
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,240
It's impactful. There's no doubt. Um but

1196
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,720
>> yeah, we have over 10,000 employees just

1197
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:26,319
with those two.

1198
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:29,359
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um I think just off the back

1199
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:31,280
of my memory, we were looking at a

1200
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,200
little bit of modeling today. Um uh if

1201
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,640
and I can just instead of bringing up

1202
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,400
the link, I can just tell you if we

1203
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,920
didn't do 820 North University or Center

1204
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,319
Street would probably add around 15,000

1205
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:46,560
trips a day. It's from more than what it

1206
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,119
is today. 15,000 trips a day is a lot.

1207
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,960
It was basically going from 41,000

1208
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,640
to

1209
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,280
well I think it was 44,000 or something

1210
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,839
like that right now today up to almost

1211
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:02,560
60,000 trips a day. a terrible road for

1212
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,960
>> on what on what time frame?

1213
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,839
>> Um that was just out to 2055,

1214
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:11,119
>> but the thing is is you're kind of it's

1215
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,920
a phase one project, meaning it's one

1216
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,240
that we see is needed in the next 10ish

1217
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:19,040
years. So, it's it's kind of one of

1218
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,280
those needs to be happening sooner

1219
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,760
rather than later. Um, but again, we

1220
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,319
work for y'all and that's, you know,

1221
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:29,680
we're we're here to give you the

1222
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,079
technical information and our board will

1223
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:33,920
make those decisions. I know we're

1224
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,920
running out of time, so I just wanted to

1225
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,000
>> questions. I had some general questions,

1226
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,640
but if people wanted to ask

1227
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,079
>> and can I I will also happily offer and

1228
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:45,520
Lenise will throw a rock at me if I'm

1229
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,000
saying something wrong. We are always

1230
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,800
available if we don't have time. Hit us

1231
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,119
up. We'll sit down and talk with you,

1232
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:54,720
have a conversation, meeting, whatever

1233
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:56,400
you'd like.

1234
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,319
>> I'm just gonna let me add to that. Um, I

1235
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:00,079
brought some cards. We can hand out, we

1236
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:01,680
can leave these with you. We brought

1237
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,359
some uh information about UFI's

1238
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:04,640
transportation plan, which you brought

1239
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,480
up earlier. So, please take a look at

1240
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,400
that. It has all of the FPO regional

1241
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,400
transportation plans in it and then a

1242
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,920
little thing about the Wasach's vision.

1243
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,400
But, we do have like a minute or so.

1244
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,319
Well, I I mean I do it was import I

1245
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:17,760
really wanted the council to understand

1246
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,000
what you guys do and that they can be

1247
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,760
informed about these things and what's

1248
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,160
happening and how it's so I mean it's a

1249
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,319
big deal to our city and we are over the

1250
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:29,280
master transportation plan in the city

1251
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,559
and I guess we just wanted to make sure

1252
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,359
that that you knew that we back the

1253
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:34,960
master transportation plan and we don't

1254
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,920
have plans to change it and

1255
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,480
>> we want you to know that

1256
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,240
>> yeah duly noted duly noted and and Maybe

1257
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,280
just in closing from Mac's perspective,

1258
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,960
we love working with Provo. We have

1259
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,559
great working relationship with the

1260
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:53,280
city, with the mayor, with this body.

1261
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,359
We're happy again any any time anytime

1262
00:49:57,359 --> 00:49:59,440
you have a question, reach out to us.

1263
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,640
Vern is a wealth of knowledge. You know

1264
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,640
that we we love working with him and we

1265
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,240
can coordinate and get you the

1266
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:07,040
information you need.

1267
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,680
>> Okay. Gary Garrett, he is traveling. He

1268
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,240
is on Zoom. He has a question.

1269
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:15,910
>> Okay.

1270
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:16,640
Go ahead.

1271
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:27,910
>> Go ahead, Gary.

1272
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,400
» Are you muted, Gary? We can't hear you.

1273
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,119
>> Okay, sorry about that. Um, yes, a great

1274
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:38,480
presentation. Thank you. I um actually I

1275
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,319
think most of my questions were answered

1276
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:42,640
relative to budget where the funding

1277
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,040
comes from. It sounds like your annual

1278
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,280
budget varies yeartoyear just depending

1279
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,960
on those sources of funds. It would be

1280
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,880
hard for you to say what your annual

1281
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,200
budget is. Uh and then I had questions

1282
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,319
on specific projects bringing this down

1283
00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:01,200
to Provo that we have queued up or if

1284
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,000
they are in exploratory stages but I

1285
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,599
think those were answered as well. I

1286
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:08,400
think I think generally I would um just

1287
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,640
like to make a motion to make it clear

1288
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,040
to um you all who have come today. Thank

1289
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,400
you very much. That um to make clear our

1290
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,640
council support

1291
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,400
of the current master transportation

1292
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,880
plan and the projects that we have

1293
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,440
currently in common with MAG. Um I'd

1294
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,720
like to make that as a motion.

1295
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:30,559
>> All right.

1296
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,440
Want to second that motion?

1297
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,079
Yeah, I respect that motion.

1298
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,319
>> So, we often vote in our just to make

1299
00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:39,760
sure that people understand what our

1300
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:40,559
intent is.

1301
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:41,680
>> Very well.

1302
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,720
>> Any discussion on the motion?

1303
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:45,920
Councelor Bogden,

1304
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,720
>> I know they have a minute to leave, but

1305
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,720
um some of these things are really

1306
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:54,000
impactful like that 800 North

1307
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,319
that that's a mess right now and rather

1308
00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:59,119
than 2031 that that needs to be done

1309
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,480
sooner rather than later. And

1310
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,319
The west side is growing. It's not just

1311
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:06,000
Provo's west side. It is westside

1312
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,920
everywhere. And when I've talked to some

1313
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,599
of our former transportation people,

1314
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:12,240
they're like, you know, people have to

1315
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,240
get to BYU. People have to get to the

1316
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,079
hospital. Even people on my side of the

1317
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,599
tracks, those train tracks are awful.

1318
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,960
And to have something come over there,

1319
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,760
even if it's just a freeway on and off

1320
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,520
ramp, you know, that that makes a huge

1321
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,960
difference. um

1322
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,800
some of these things really need to

1323
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,359
happen and so I'm in in support of this

1324
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:37,119
because we do need these things on

1325
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,520
schedule and they need need to match up

1326
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,160
with our our needs. Um, I remember when

1327
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,079
I ran the first time, I got really

1328
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,240
educated on the west side because that

1329
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:47,599
wasn't an area I was terribly familiar

1330
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:50,640
with. And I remember, um, a neighborhood

1331
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:51,920
chair walked me through the west side

1332
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,680
and talked to me and they were like, "Do

1333
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,000
you know how much time we would save to

1334
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,160
get our an emergency, if we had to get

1335
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,400
out if there was a flood, per se, or if

1336
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,599
we had people who need to go an

1337
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:04,480
ambulance, literally five plus minutes

1338
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,480
could be saved, not having to deal with

1339
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,760
the tracks, not having to deal with the

1340
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,480
limited east to west connectivity." and

1341
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,720
um in having a freeway entrance right to

1342
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,720
800 where it's right to the hospital.

1343
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:15,920
They just like they're like, you know,

1344
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,119
we want this on the west side. Like this

1345
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:18,559
is a huge deal. This is like life and

1346
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,880
death to us. And I that was a I wasn't

1347
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,760
even on my radar.

1348
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:22,319
>> Sure.

1349
00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:25,359
>> But um so yeah, it is interesting. And I

1350
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:27,920
we have IHC presenting after you guys,

1351
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,680
but they do an incredible amount of

1352
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,240
ambulances coming from the south and

1353
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,480
coming from the surrounding areas to

1354
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,920
Provo. So, um, you know, it's I had no

1355
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,319
idea the number that they do in just

1356
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:43,359
ambulance rides.

1357
00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:45,119
>> Not to mention the new medical school

1358
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:46,800
that's coming here. And not to mention

1359
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,280
that they're going to be what, a level

1360
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,240
one trauma center.

1361
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:51,440
>> I don't think you need to present. You

1362
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,119
got to [laughter]

1363
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:56,400
>> he he educated us very well last year.

1364
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,079
But yeah, and so that's going to put

1365
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,640
more and more pressure to get there. But

1366
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,000
we all know on the west side that we're

1367
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,359
going to die in an emergency because we

1368
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:04,559
can't get out. [laughter]

1369
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,390
>> Well, let's hope

1370
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,359
All right. Um, Council Hoben,

1371
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:13,760
>> well, I'm okay reaffirming our support

1372
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,520
of the the current transportation master

1373
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,520
plan, but I do think like you had

1374
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,599
mentioned, you have some updated models

1375
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:21,599
regarding A2800.

1376
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,079
>> I think when we visited this six years

1377
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,559
ago when I was newer on the council,

1378
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:28,319
frankly, I didn't feel like the modeling

1379
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:30,640
we had showed a huge need for that

1380
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,000
specific road to be

1381
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:32,640
>> with

1382
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,400
>> Yeah, I need to meet with you guys.

1383
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,400
And also, you know, frankly, if you

1384
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,400
don't get over the railroad tracks and

1385
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,800
pass the school, nothing you do on 820

1386
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,480
is going to matter because you still get

1387
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,480
stuck at those areas and they still, you

1388
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,200
know, and so I'm okay reiterating

1389
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,720
reaffirming our support of the plan for

1390
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,440
now. with the caveat that I think if

1391
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,880
we're going to make any changes to the

1392
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,040
plan moving forward or you know if we're

1393
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,319
going to really move forward with some

1394
00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:58,079
of these projects like I think there

1395
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:00,240
just needs to be a comfort level that we

1396
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:01,680
have good data supporting this and that

1397
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,119
we have a good plan around that as

1398
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:04,800
opposed to just saying like yeah we're

1399
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,160
going to allocate 100 million towards

1400
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,240
this and we'll figure it out right I

1401
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:09,200
just

1402
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,880
>> it's hard for me to get behind it

1403
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,520
without understanding more nuances of

1404
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,160
the plan

1405
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,160
>> to get into data but don't have time to

1406
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:16,880
say councel

1407
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,359
>> Christian yeah I I would agree it it's

1408
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:21,040
actually very hard. But did you have a

1409
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:21,520
comment?

1410
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,000
>> I was just going to kind of add to his

1411
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,720
and something that's to be understood is

1412
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,559
when we put these projects in the RTP,

1413
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:31,599
we use sophisticated tools like um the

1414
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,319
travel demand model and so forth. But at

1415
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:36,960
each stage of a project, more and more

1416
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,880
study is done with step to an

1417
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,400
environmental process where

1418
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,280
>> co changed everything. So, I think being

1419
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,040
updated and maybe that's a follow-up

1420
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,640
presentation, maybe specifically for

1421
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,079
somebody from your team to come and show

1422
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,240
us like here is here is the modeling

1423
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:52,000
that we're looking at for 820 and here's

1424
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,280
why we feel it's important and or rather

1425
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,119
why it makes sense if it is something we

1426
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:58,000
wanted to do.

1427
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,440
>> I think that could be really helpful for

1428
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,839
me to help inform my decision- making

1429
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:02,640
moving forward.

1430
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,160
>> Sure.

1431
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:04,559
>> Yeah.

1432
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:05,680
>> Councelor Whit last. [clears throat]

1433
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,839
>> Uh just from my perspective, I mean my

1434
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:09,359
understanding is these plans are updated

1435
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:12,559
every 5 to 10 years. we had a pandemic

1436
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,119
in the interim. I wasn't part of office.

1437
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,880
So, I would like to see more data and go through the process with more

1438
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,880
thought before I I would be able to vote

1439
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,760
for something like that.

1440
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:24,079
>> Okay. [clears throat]

1441
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:25,520
>> But Craig didn't get to say his comment.

1442
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,440
I cut him off. So, no, I I think the

1443
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,960
points have been covered. I our job as

1444
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,680
council is to balance things and we're

1445
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,839
talking about significant trade-offs and

1446
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:37,599
I think it is important to consider

1447
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:40,079
safety. It is important to consider

1448
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:42,480
access. Um it is important to consider

1449
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,160
neighborhoods. I mean this is part of

1450
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,559
the balancing act that we must do. And

1451
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,960
so I support this future planning.

1452
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,200
Without this future planning, we end up

1453
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,559
in culde-sacs all over the place. And so

1454
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:57,440
uh I I would be supportive

1455
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,680
of of what the the work that you're

1456
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:00,720
doing. [clears throat]

1457
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,319
>> Okay. Well, we'll take a vote on the

1458
00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:07,040
motion. [snorts] Um councelor Garrett.

1459
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,000
Yes.

1460
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,680
>> Councelor McKay. Yes. Councelor

1461
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,400
Christensen.

1462
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:10,799
>> Yes.

1463
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:12,000
>> Councelor Whitlock.

1464
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:12,720
>> No.

1465
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,400
>> Councelor Boggen.

1466
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,920
>> Yes. Councelor Hoben.

1467
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:16,400
>> Yes.

1468
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,319
>> Councelor Whipple is not here. So that

1469
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:20,880
passes 61.

1470
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:21,680
>> 51.

1471
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:22,960
Thank you.

1472
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,119
>> We need a motion to ask them to come. I

1473
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,520
mean, not to ask them, but I mean within

1474
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,359
we can get it ring. Okay. I just want to

1475
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:29,520
make

1476
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,119
>> you let us know. We'll come.

1477
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:31,839
>> You say,

1478
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:33,040
>> we can't tell you what to do. I was

1479
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,280
saying internally. Are we behind this?

1480
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,400
having you guys come back.

1481
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,200
>> Boss him around.

1482
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,040
>> Yeah. Hey, we tell Mag what to do around

1483
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,400
here. [laughter]

1484
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,760
>> But I think it would be good for our

1485
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,200
public to to listen to a presentation on

1486
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,680
>> Yeah. I would love to I would love to.

1487
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,079
>> I'll just say then thank you for your time and if again please contact us

1488
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:53,920
if you have more questions. Sorry if we

1489
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,440
took more than our aotted time.

1490
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:56,960
>> Thanks so much Bobby.

1491
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,640
>> Thank you Lenise and Kevin.

1492
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,240
>> All right. Next, we have a presentation

1493
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,839
regarding an update from Inter Mountain

1494
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:05,359
Healthcare

1495
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:06,799
and presented by Kyle Hansen, the

1496
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:09,119
administrator for Well, what? You're

1497
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:10,720
like the president of Inter Mountain

1498
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,829
Healthcare.

1499
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:15,119
» I have a couple of jobs.

1500
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:16,880
>> It says big dog on his

1501
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,359
>> No.

1502
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:20,880
>> I want one of your business cards. I

1503
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,680
need a

1504
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,319
>> um getting the the presentation pulled

1505
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:26,960
up.

1506
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,359
>> Big dog right there. [clears throat]

1507
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:31,680
I did bring a friend, Janet Frank. He's

1508
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,640
our love.

1509
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,240
>> She's a leader over community outreach.

1510
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,200
So grateful grateful for some time to

1511
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,680
chat with all of you today. Uh we love

1512
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,480
being in the city of Provo and as I've

1513
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,240
said before, don't have any plans to

1514
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,160
ever leave. Um [laughter]

1515
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,880
thank goodness. But wanted to wanted to

1516
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,160
just share maybe some uh ways that we're

1517
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,920
looking at the growth. you know,

1518
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,040
listening to kind of the uh the way that

1519
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,440
MAG goes about projecting it that out

1520
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,680
and looking at transportation. We do a

1521
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,680
lot of this work looking out in similar

1522
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,839
time frames, 30 plus years and trying to

1523
00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:10,640
predict um healthcare demand and there's

1524
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,319
a lot of factors that obviously go into

1525
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:14,400
that technology,

1526
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,880
you know, drug development. Maybe GLP1s

1527
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,559
will make it so that none of us need a

1528
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,040
hospital uh in the future. I doubt it.

1529
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,599
But um anyway, I wanted to just share

1530
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:25,280
some of that data with you and and kind

1531
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,280
of um answer questions that you might

1532
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,760
have in regards to what that means for

1533
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,680
the growth in our in our campus here in

1534
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:36,079
Prao. Um because as the as the county

1535
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:39,839
grows um our hospital will will grow and

1536
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:42,799
it and almost doesn't necessarily

1537
00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:45,680
correlate to how fast Provo is growing

1538
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,040
population wise. So um somebody am I

1539
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,480
advancing? Is this

1540
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:51,200
>> you're good to go?

1541
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,000
>> Perfect. Okay. So, I won't bore you with

1542
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,440
statistics you've probably already seen

1543
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,280
many many times. You know, our county is

1544
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,440
growing and projected to grow. I think

1545
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,720
these are pulled from the Gardener

1546
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,599
Institute. We work with uh some national

1547
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:05,599
consultants that that help with master

1548
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:06,880
site planning for healthcare

1549
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,119
organizations that help us look at some

1550
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:11,520
of this and and help us start to get an

1551
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,760
idea based on kind of utilization

1552
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,400
trends, changing demographics. You know,

1553
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,799
what what kind of hospital bed needs are we talking about in in certain

1554
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:22,640
geographical areas? We're not the only

1555
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,559
ones providing hospital care. Obviously,

1556
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:27,359
Inter Mountain um is is not alone in

1557
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:29,280
that regard, but but we do look at this

1558
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,640
and we know the fastest growing

1559
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,000
demographic in our county is that cohort

1560
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,160
that's over the age of 65 and that's

1561
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,520
going to continue to grow as a

1562
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,079
percentage uh over the next 30 years.

1563
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:43,119
And so we we look at this data um you

1564
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:44,559
know, we certainly look at it

1565
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:46,720
geographically and as I mentioned, we

1566
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,040
know, for example, zone 3 maybe isn't

1567
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,920
growing population-wise as fast as you

1568
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,240
all uh know.

1569
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,480
much more growth occurring in areas like

1570
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,440
zone one on the west or up the north as

1571
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,520
well as down south in in zone 4. And

1572
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,680
these projections are from 24. They're

1573
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,599
probably already somewhat out of date,

1574
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:09,599
but incredible growth um that that we

1575
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,599
know we're we're all expecting in the in

1576
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:16,160
the coming years and kind.

1577
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,599
>> So, are you saying that you feed from

1578
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:21,280
zone one? So, as a trauma hospital, we

1579
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,240
take patients from all over Utah County,

1580
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,079
from all over central Utah down to

1581
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:29,280
Beaver, and from uh Wasach County.

1582
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,400
>> Wow. Beaver.

1583
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:31,839
>> Are we the only trauma hospital in the

1584
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:32,480
area?

1585
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,160
>> We are the only level two trauma

1586
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,720
hospital in Utah County.

1587
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,160
>> And I'll talk a little bit about some of

1588
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:39,839
our vision for what what the future

1589
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:42,319
holds with that. But but again, as you

1590
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:44,480
know, you know, not as much population

1591
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,880
growth in zone three where there isn't

1592
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,000
as much land.

1593
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,200
built out and you know massive growth

1594
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,520
happening on the ends uh and in the west

1595
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,079
on our in our county.

1596
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:59,200
Um so working with these consultants we

1597
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,480
try to look at that and predict okay

1598
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:01,680
what do we think that means in the

1599
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,599
coming years and we we tend to take sort

1600
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:06,079
of a 5 to 10 year look at this so that

1601
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,640
we can attempt to align what our

1602
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,799
delivery model needs to look like going

1603
01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:13,920
forward with with growth. And so there's

1604
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,040
probably more data than you need to

1605
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,880
worry about looking at here, but just as

1606
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,359
an exercise, you know, today within the

1607
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:22,240
county, we have roughly 210 patients

1608
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,520
every day in our hospitals. Um, most of

1609
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,760
those are at Utah County or Utah Valley

1610
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,920
Hospital here in Provo. Uh, this is for

1611
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,760
medical, surgical, and ICU patients. So,

1612
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,000
not maternity, not a NICU, not somebody

1613
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,799
that's in a rehab unit, just those types

1614
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:39,359
of units. And if you look at projected

1615
01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:41,440
population change, demographic shift,

1616
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,160
and aging, that adds to that census

1617
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,000
projection going forward out 10 years,

1618
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,400
right? Um disease prevalence. Again,

1619
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,839
some of these are are estimates and

1620
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:51,599
projections. And then things that would

1621
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:53,760
start to pull back on more people being

1622
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,440
in the hospital, things like reducing

1623
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,760
readmission, changes insurance or care

1624
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,760
management, technology that enhances our

1625
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,079
ability. Um we're actually admitting

1626
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:04,480
people to their homes. Uh we have a

1627
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,960
hospital at hope pro uh program today uh

1628
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,880
that's growing where through technology

1629
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,520
we we send nurses and have doctors and

1630
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,119
monitoring equipment that patients can

1631
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,680
take to their home if you have the right

1632
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:16,799
condition. We're not going to send

1633
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:18,799
somebody who's acutely ill home.

1634
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:20,400
>> Is that a pilot kind of project or is

1635
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,039
that

1636
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,119
>> um it's it's hopefully not a pilot. It's

1637
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:25,520
been somewhat uh dependent on CMS's

1638
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,440
ability to continue to fund

1639
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,880
>> the uh the Medicare uh you know hospital

1640
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,240
at home reimbursement program. And so,

1641
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,880
uh, it's it's been funded and keeps kind

1642
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,400
of coming up at the last minute for

1643
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,720
continuing funding, but it's very much a

1644
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,359
part of our strategy is to take care of

1645
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:45,359
p patients at home. It's much more

1646
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:47,599
affordable to to do that, and everybody

1647
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:48,880
would much rather sleep in their bed

1648
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,400
than one of our hospital beds. We we

1649
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,039
know that. So, so the the moral of this

1650
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:55,839
slide is simply our projection and this

1651
01:03:55,839 --> 01:03:58,240
is a county projection is that over the

1652
01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:59,520
next 10 years we're going to see at

1653
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,000
least or close to a 50% increase in the

1654
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,839
number of patients every day that are

1655
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:06,079
admitted to one of our hospitals. Okay?

1656
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:09,520
So that's increasing from 210 uh to a

1657
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,720
number of of 312. The majority of those

1658
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,680
because of our size and acuity and the

1659
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,760
specialists that we have will be at Utah

1660
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,319
Valley Hospital. And so we take that

1661
01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:21,920
kind of information. We look across the

1662
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,839
county where we have care sites and we

1663
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:25,039
say, "Okay, what do we think that means

1664
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:26,960
for bed need in each of these sites,

1665
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,200
right? So you can see for Utah Valley,

1666
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,200
again, this is just the ICU and med

1667
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,839
surge going from 216 to 304. Um, and the

1668
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:37,359
other hospitals that we have in the

1669
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:39,039
county, there's some different planned

1670
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,280
increases. This is all just sort of

1671
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,799
planning again, subject to sort of

1672
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:44,720
change and and whatnot. Kevin,

1673
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:45,680
>> we we have a

1674
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,160
>> Yes,

1675
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,200
>> councelor Bogdan.

1676
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,640
>> I'm gonna ask this question because it

1677
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,720
was asked by

1678
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,039
one of our citizens yesterday, a couple

1679
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:56,079
of days ago. Anyway, you guys have a

1680
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:59,920
building up by Day's Market in Provo,

1681
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:01,119
>> Canyon Road.

1682
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,599
>> Okay. What is that on here? What What is

1683
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:04,400
that going to be?

1684
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,400
>> It's probably a circle on here. Um I

1685
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,280
think we've got the clinics listed uh

1686
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,520
listed there. So maybe number 15 is

1687
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:12,880
that. Um,

1688
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,280
>> so I I hesitate to announce things

1689
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,359
before we've released the dollars to

1690
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:18,960
actually do the construction because,

1691
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:19,359
>> okay,

1692
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:21,680
>> I've gotten in trouble [laughter]

1693
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,920
doing that before. So, I'll just talk in

1694
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,880
general terms. Um, we we do have plans

1695
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,319
to redevelop that site. Um, you'll

1696
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:31,760
likely see something come through the

1697
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,359
city with a project for re uh

1698
01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:37,039
>> so it'll get a it'll get a fresh coat of

1699
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:37,359
paint,

1700
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:40,000
>> demo uh not that demo and rebuild the

1701
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:40,640
new building.

1702
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,145
>> Okay. Okay. hear that resident.

1703
01:05:43,145 --> 01:05:44,720
[laughter]

1704
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,160
>> Sorry. Um, in fact, in in probably in

1705
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,920
the next couple of months, you'll you'll

1706
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,079
likely see something coming through as

1707
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:54,960
we're working on design there.

1708
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,039
>> I appreciate that. And

1709
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:57,920
>> we're gonna be excited.

1710
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,680
>> Yeah. The city, the resident will

1711
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,039
appreciate that. I'm sure he's

1712
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:01,760
listening.

1713
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,160
>> Yeah. And and part of part of our goal

1714
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,240
there is, you know, we really need to

1715
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,599
ensure our primary care physician access

1716
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:11,520
a little bit more convenient and

1717
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,280
accessible, not on a busy hospital

1718
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,640
campus. You know, when somebody's coming

1719
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,280
for a primary care visit, they

1720
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,039
if if we can get those out into the

1721
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,200
community um as much as possible, we

1722
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:22,799
want to do that. So part of the strategy

1723
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:26,000
for that uh for that site really is to

1724
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,079
relocate some of our existing physician

1725
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:30,000
clinics from the Utah Valley Hospital

1726
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,559
campus up to Canyon Road in a new

1727
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,359
building.

1728
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:36,480
>> Councelor,

1729
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,880
>> if I'm jumping ahead here, sorry. I

1730
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,119
mean, clearly there's a huge increase in

1731
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:44,240
need for your services. Um what what

1732
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,799
would you need from Provo City to help

1733
01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:48,240
meet the need? I don't care about your

1734
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,039
bottom line, but I'm saying like I mean

1735
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:52,880
>> No, no, that's fine. Yeah.

1736
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,960
>> I I care about quality of life for our

1737
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,599
residents. You know, there what do you

1738
01:06:57,599 --> 01:06:59,520
need from us to ensure that you can

1739
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,280
provide the services that our residents

1740
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,440
need um so that they don't have to

1741
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,680
travel very far and they can get the

1742
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:06,960
services they need in the area. They

1743
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,720
don't have to move. Is it is it

1744
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,200
workforce housing? Is is it um is it we

1745
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,480
need to zone for more of this or that? I

1746
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:17,920
mean, what is it you need from Provo? Is

1747
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:18,559
it

1748
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:21,200
>> roads? I mean, what what I know that's a

1749
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,440
topic, but I'm saying

1750
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:24,960
>> generally, are there some things that

1751
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,240
you could kind of point to and say this

1752
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,599
is where we need help from Provo City

1753
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:31,599
over the next 20 year, 20, 30 years to help prepare for this or even 10

1754
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:32,000
years?

1755
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,920
>> Yeah. Uh, great question. Great

1756
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,760
question. And there's probably a number

1757
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,599
of answers. Our organization is getting

1758
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:40,960
more more active in the affordable

1759
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,960
housing space. I know there's kind of

1760
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,559
different models. We've met at times

1761
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:46,559
with uh different different agencies

1762
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,319
about possible ways to do that. In

1763
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:50,400
Provo, I think we're exploring that

1764
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,240
space much more because our workforce

1765
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,039
is, you know, at times obviously

1766
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:56,799
struggling uh to find affordable

1767
01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:59,359
housing. And so there's we we have some

1768
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:01,599
initiatives uh that we're looking at on

1769
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:04,000
that front up in Summit County because

1770
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,520
it's very acute up there. Nobody can

1771
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:06,480
afford to live

1772
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:07,039
>> Yeah. Sure.

1773
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:08,799
>> You know, nobody doing housekeeping

1774
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:11,680
services or uh nursing aid. It's really

1775
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,760
hard to live in Park City and and and

1776
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,760
survive on a a salary of a nursing aid.

1777
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,319
And so we're exploring in some kind of

1778
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,159
unique locations opportunities to do

1779
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:22,560
that. I think we've had a lot of

1780
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,120
discussion about Utah County and where

1781
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,199
and is is there an opportunity for us to

1782
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:28,560
explore that further here. I think we're

1783
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,960
very interested in that uh with with the

1784
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,319
right kind of model. Um land is always a

1785
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:36,480
challenge. My my summary slide that

1786
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:39,120
you'll see on here very much says we

1787
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,440
need the city to help ensure that it's

1788
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:43,520
easy for patients, visitors, and

1789
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,759
employees to come to our campus in

1790
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:46,480
Provo.

1791
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:46,799
>> Okay.

1792
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:49,199
>> And hopefully as I get through this

1793
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:50,880
presentation, the data and the

1794
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,120
information that I share reinforces the

1795
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,239
need there because the the growth is,

1796
01:08:56,239 --> 01:09:00,319
you know, pretty incredible. That's still coming for for our campus.

1797
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:01,839
>> Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean if somebody

1798
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:03,279
is on the north part of probe and

1799
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:04,880
they're like well I'll just go to ORM

1800
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,279
then that's revenue that's tax revenue

1801
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:10,000
we've lost right I assume that that's a

1802
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,239
re that's a real consideration right

1803
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:13,759
>> yeah and I think for for us there's a

1804
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:15,679
balance because we don't want to force

1805
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:18,239
everybody into a centralized location

1806
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:20,880
for care if if we can provide something

1807
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,480
close to home we have a hub and spoke

1808
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:24,239
model and inner mountain is up and down

1809
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,319
the state we we want to be in

1810
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,000
communities to provide that care that's

1811
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:28,880
really part

1812
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,080
>> yeah I'm just saying if we want to drive

1813
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,880
as much of the revenue to Provo as

1814
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,120
possible, right? I mean, we we want to

1815
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,799
try to make it easy for you to do

1816
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:38,080
business in Provo, right?

1817
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,880
>> Yes. Yes. And getting to the campus, I

1818
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,480
mean, once you're on the campus, that's

1819
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,159
our problem to figure out parking and

1820
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:45,839
navigation, all that. But, you know,

1821
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:48,080
getting to the campus is absolutely

1822
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,719
imperative. And the data I will show you

1823
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:52,640
is that we're going to have many more

1824
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,400
people coming to this campus in the

1825
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:55,199
future.

1826
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:56,640
>> Okay.

1827
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,960
>> Great questions.

1828
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,960
Okay. Um, in addition to kind of the

1829
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,719
impatient side, one of the biggest areas

1830
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:04,239
that's growing for us is actually the

1831
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:05,760
ambulatory side. More and more of

1832
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,480
healthcare is being done outside of of a

1833
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:11,040
hospital. Um, you can have your carpal

1834
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,280
tunnel surgery done in a in an exam

1835
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,239
room, in a clinic uh location today. And

1836
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:17,840
joint replacement is being done in

1837
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,520
surgery centers and outpatient settings.

1838
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,840
And more and more of how healthcare is

1839
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,440
provided is moving out of a hospital

1840
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:25,600
into, you know, into clinic locations.

1841
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,560
And so we have incredible growth that's

1842
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,960
happening in our what we call our

1843
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,840
medical group where where physician uh

1844
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,840
physicians provide care in clinics. You

1845
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,320
can see some of the projections that we

1846
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,159
anticipate are pretty staggering in

1847
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:42,480
terms of the number of of visits and we

1848
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:44,719
are doing teleaalth visits. We that is

1849
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:47,440
part of our solution. So this factors in

1850
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:49,199
growth in areas where somebody just gets

1851
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:52,320
on a zoom call with their doctor and has a visit doesn't need to travel

1852
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,320
somewhere. We obviously want to continue

1853
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,440
to push those, but incredible growth in

1854
01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:59,840
terms of clinic visits. You can see

1855
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,719
projected over the next 10 years over

1856
01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:04,960
roughly 200,000

1857
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,960
additional visits with more than 200

1858
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,920
additional providers, doctors on this

1859
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,760
campus in Provo. And um again, part of

1860
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,920
our goal is to make care accessible. So

1861
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,280
we're not just if you need a

1862
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:18,640
cardiologist, we don't want everybody in

1863
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,239
Utah County to have to come to Provo to

1864
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:21,520
get that. That's not our goal. We're

1865
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,679
going to have cardiology access in

1866
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:29,840
Spanish Fork and over in Saratoga and up in the north. But um just based

1867
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,800
on the changing demographic, the growing

1868
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:39,520
Medicare population and the need uh for specialty care, specialty services,

1869
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,040
you know, this is this is our

1870
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,120
projection. That's an increase of 194

1871
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,679
exam rooms to 467.

1872
01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:47,440
I mean that essentially means we have to

1873
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,920
build another 250,000 square foot

1874
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,320
patient tower just for clinics on our

1875
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,800
campus. So if you know the Sornson tower

1876
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,040
on the north side of our our clinic,

1877
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,560
it's building another one of those

1878
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,679
basically um in the next 10 years.

1879
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:04,880
Similarly with inpatient growth, we

1880
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,520
expect on the Utah Valley campus, you

1881
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,600
know, growth of

1882
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,560
roughly 115 additional beds that will

1883
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,480
needed be needed to house that growing

1884
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:17,760
average daily census. So that's growing

1885
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,560
another patient tower uh to to start to

1886
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,440
accommodate that as well. Um so I'm

1887
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:25,520
going to show you just some oh some

1888
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,040
additional stats and I'll show you some campus layout here. This is our

1889
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:30,560
headcount. So you can see the medical

1890
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,960
group bars here, the ones kind of

1891
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,280
growing the fastest. This has gone from,

1892
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,199
you know, 250

1893
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:39,280
employees in our medical group to over

1894
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,840
or just about 800 uh in the last 5

1895
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,000
years. It's been just incredible growth.

1896
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,400
The hospital's maybe not grown quite as

1897
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,640
fast. I think when you look at 21

1898
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,000
compared to where we are today, it's

1899
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,719
about 70 70 more employees, but we

1900
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:55,040
expect that will continue to grow. In

1901
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,120
total, Inter Mountain has over 4,000

1902
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,280
employees based in Provo. is just at the

1903
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,239
UT hospital campus. So this number

1904
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:04,239
starts to get us close to about 3,800

1905
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:05,679
just on the campus alone.

1906
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:06,960
>> Counselor Whitlock has a question.

1907
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,719
>> Yeah, just a quick question on that. I

1908
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:10,480
know sometimes you have rotations. Are

1909
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:13,840
these people who are dedicated to this this campus?

1910
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,000
>> This is their primary work location.

1911
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:16,320
Yeah,

1912
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:16,719
>> thank you.

1913
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:17,840
>> Yeah, great question.

1914
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,239
>> Um, additionally, uh, some transfer

1915
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:23,040
data. So every day our hospital gets

1916
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,280
somewhere on the average of 18 patients

1917
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,040
transferred from another facility into

1918
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,080
our hospital every day. Um you can see

1919
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,080
how much those numbers have have grown

1920
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:36,080
since 2021 from about 5,400 to I mean by

1921
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,280
a thousand additional visits. We project

1922
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,840
that will continue to grow as the county

1923
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,360
grows because some of the specialty

1924
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,360
services that we provide are only going

1925
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,400
to be provided at this hospital and many

1926
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,719
of those transfers are for higher level

1927
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:54,239
of care needs. 90% of those visits are

1928
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,719
EMS ambulance transfers. Yes, some are

1929
01:13:56,719 --> 01:13:58,719
lifellight and we obviously helicopters

1930
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:00,159
going all day long back and back and

1931
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:03,360
forth. Um but most are ambulance. So

1932
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,600
when you start to talk about so this is

1933
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,600
not looking at EMS going out into the

1934
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,280
field and picking somebody up from a car

1935
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,679
accident on I-15 and and coming in

1936
01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:14,640
that's that's additional traffic this is

1937
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,199
facilityto facility transfers that have

1938
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:18,560
>> So that's just your transfers

1939
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,480
>> correct correct

1940
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:24,239
um

1941
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:26,800
not to how am I doing on time make sure

1942
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:27,920
I'm right

1943
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:28,400
>> you're good

1944
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:35,120
>> doing okay um so this is our campus and as we do master site planning with these groups. We look at ages of,

1945
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:36,560
you know, building and and where do we

1946
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,280
have building plan? Obviously, uh a

1947
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,120
relatively new campus with some of the

1948
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:42,480
building that's been done in the last 10

1949
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:44,960
years with new towers and new uh new

1950
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,199
facilities and and then so so we look at

1951
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:49,120
this, but we have a you know a fairly

1952
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,520
narrow somewhat dense campus for the

1953
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,440
types of services and and the growth

1954
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:56,000
that that we're looking at. That dashed

1955
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,560
white line is sort of outlying most of

1956
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,400
the footprint of our campus. There are

1957
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,080
some buildings intermixed there. There's

1958
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,679
gas station, there's a credit union. I'm

1959
01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:05,360
not I'm not showing those that we

1960
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,080
obviously don't own uh um but but not

1961
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,520
showing those on this.

1962
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,400
>> Um but if you know, if you look at kind

1963
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,360
of our campus um where where we have the

1964
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,920
opportunity to grow there, there isn't a

1965
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,760
ton of room to work with. We've got some

1966
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,080
area here on the north. We have this

1967
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,760
parcel that's along 800 um that's uh

1968
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:30,320
between uh Freedom and and uh 300 there.

1969
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,120
uh that uh we have been purchasing some

1970
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,960
of the kind of aging buildings and

1971
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,760
things uh along Freedom that uh that

1972
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,280
we've been tearing down. That's in

1973
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,679
preparation for if I go to the next

1974
01:15:41,679 --> 01:15:44,800
slide. Um we we have some plans. So

1975
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,920
along kind of my prior comment, I'm not

1976
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,320
announcing anything [laughter] yet, but

1977
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,320
we we have some plans to develop that

1978
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,880
parcel uh with with new space um and

1979
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,040
expect that there will be some new

1980
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,760
services provided on that parcel in the

1981
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,092
not too distant future. I'm sorry. We

1982
01:16:04,092 --> 01:16:04,800
[laughter]

1983
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,120
I I'm not trying to be elusive, but um

1984
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,520
you know, until the until the uh company

1985
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,280
releases the funds to actually build

1986
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:14,560
something, it's not technically

1987
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,760
approved. So, um but you know, as we

1988
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,199
work with our planners, we look at

1989
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:20,880
things like where would you potentially

1990
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,040
put a new parking garage and where would

1991
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,280
you put a new tower? And so we try to

1992
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,440
look at planning for our campus and and

1993
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:29,840
the growth, but it is a it is a dense

1994
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:31,520
campus and in order to grow, we're going

1995
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,440
to have to continue to go, you know, go

1996
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:35,120
vertical. I don't know that if we build

1997
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:36,640
another parking garage, that's where it

1998
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,320
will go. This is just sort of for

1999
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,880
illustrative purposes, but um needing

2000
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,719
new ambulatory buildings and new

2001
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:45,280
inpatient buildings um gives you a sense

2002
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,159
of kind of how we uh look at how we

2003
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:51,760
might do that going forward.

2004
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:57,600
So uh maybe if I'm giving you the the kind of big picture vision for the

2005
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,360
hospital, the things that we are really

2006
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,840
focused on the most today. Um you know

2007
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,080
in a few years you could probably put

2008
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,719
university uh hospital in our title

2009
01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:11,040
because uh we are very much moving

2010
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,080
towards a a teaching what I call a quasi

2011
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,400
academic medical center. So, our

2012
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,000
partnership with the new school of

2013
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,880
medicine at at BYU is going to uh

2014
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,679
trigger a number of things where we uh

2015
01:17:23,679 --> 01:17:25,679
we have plans to stand up a number of

2016
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:28,239
new training programs at our hospital uh

2017
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:31,440
for two reasons. One is to help train uh

2018
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:34,080
new medical students. Um having

2019
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,239
residency programs is actually one of

2020
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:39,120
the most cost-effective ways to to train

2021
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,960
medical students. taking a busy doctor

2022
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,199
who's trying to see patients and giving

2023
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:44,800
them three medical students to try and

2024
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:45,760
teach while they're trying to get

2025
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,440
through their busy day is that's a hard

2026
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,920
thing. Um, but having a teaching model

2027
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,600
like most universities have where

2028
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,280
residents are involved in teaching

2029
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,520
medical students and then the residents

2030
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,520
are being taught more by faculty and the

2031
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,600
attending providers, that's a model

2032
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,600
we're trying to mimic. So, we have we

2033
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,120
have plans to stand up a number of

2034
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,840
residency programs. Um you can see in

2035
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,520
phase one these two are the ones that

2036
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,120
were kicking off initially internal

2037
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,520
medicine and psychiatry. The benefit of

2038
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,040
residency program besides training

2039
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,000
medical students is the statistics say

2040
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,400
roughly 50% of residents stay in the

2041
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,800
state where they train. So our goal here

2042
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,080
is to train not only med students but

2043
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,760
med students don't always stick around.

2044
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,120
They often are going to different

2045
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,440
programs you know all over the country.

2046
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,440
Um but with residents we have a much

2047
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:34,239
better sticking opportunity to have them

2048
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:36,719
fill our needs here locally in in the

2049
01:18:36,719 --> 01:18:38,880
city in the county and in the state. And

2050
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,320
so um we are working uh on on examining

2051
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,440
a number of residency programs where we

2052
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:48,239
would be really have an identity as a as

2053
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:51,440
a teaching hospital um which is a a huge

2054
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:54,400
evolution um from what we've been over

2055
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,800
the years. So that's a big part of of

2056
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,280
what we're exploring there. There's kind

2057
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,760
of a phase two based on if if BYU's

2058
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,600
medical school expands beyond 60

2059
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,000
students, which we expect it will, um,

2060
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,600
where we think we need some additional

2061
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,520
programs. These are specialty programs

2062
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,760
called fellowships where, uh, we think

2063
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,199
there's opportunities to train in some

2064
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:15,920
of these specialty areas as well. And so

2065
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,360
that's a big part of of what we're

2066
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:18,560
doing. Another big part of what we're

2067
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,320
doing is becoming a level one trauma

2068
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,040
hospital. So, uh, our goal in the next

2069
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,400
couple of years is to achieve this

2070
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,000
designation. There's only two facilities

2071
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,840
in the state that have this. University

2072
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,480
of Utah Medical Center and Intermount

2073
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:33,120
Medical Center in Murray. Um that's it

2074
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,280
for the state of Utah. Primary

2075
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,040
Children's is a pediatric level one

2076
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,040
trauma uh for the state. But as far as

2077
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,920
adult hospitals go, um we are already

2078
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,760
acting very much like a level one trauma

2079
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,199
hospital today. There isn't much that

2080
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:48,239
comes to us that we send out. So, um,

2081
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:52,000
you know, the Highway 6 disasters and,

2082
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,239
uh, the ATV and the recreating accidents

2083
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:57,440
and and, um, interestingly enough, our

2084
01:19:57,440 --> 01:19:59,760
largest volume of trauma is ground level

2085
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,040
falls. So, uh, grandma, our mom and dad

2086
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,120
trip at home and break a hip, that

2087
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,440
counts as a trauma and activates our

2088
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:10,159
trauma team. So um those numbers are

2089
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:12,000
growing and our our intent is to become

2090
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,880
a level one facility to kind of match

2091
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,000
this identity as a teaching quatinary uh

2092
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,960
type hospital uh going forward. And then

2093
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,320
I've mentioned some of this already, but

2094
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:23,840
just the growth within our medical group

2095
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,679
to support that subsp specialcialization

2096
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:27,600
of services, you know, having

2097
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,239
specialized cancer surgeons and and

2098
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:32,880
specialized uh within certain

2099
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,000
specialties, sort of subsp

2100
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,400
specialcialization. That's a big part of

2101
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:37,920
kind of what the future is for us as

2102
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,120
well. So,

2103
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,280
>> before we leave that, um so you talk

2104
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,640
about partnering with BYU, do you

2105
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,239
partner with Norda or Rocky Mountain?

2106
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:47,360
>> We do. Yeah, we do. uh Rocky Mountain I

2107
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,520
think um well we do partner with Rocky

2108
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,120
Mountain in terms of some of their you

2109
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:52,640
know programs and students but from a

2110
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,239
medical school school standpoint we do

2111
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:56,000
have a partnership with Norda so their

2112
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,920
medical students already are are are in

2113
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,400
our facility and and so some of this

2114
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,440
actually will help us solve solve how we

2115
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:05,199
do training for all medical students

2116
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:08,400
whether they're BYU or or Norda um type

2117
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:14,000
thing and so um you know uh yeah great question

2118
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,600
>> uh So to make [clears throat] sure I'm

2119
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,440
understanding correctly, right now

2120
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:18,800
because you're not a teaching hospital,

2121
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,560
you don't actually have residents on

2122
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:21,360
staff.

2123
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,679
>> We have one residency program today. Uh

2124
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:25,920
it's family medicine. So we've been uh

2125
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,640
that's a program in place uh for more

2126
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,120
than 20 minutes. 20 minutes, sorry, 20

2127
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:31,440
years.

2128
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:32,719
>> 20 years.

2129
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:33,280
>> Um

2130
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:34,080
>> long program.

2131
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,239
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh just started. Um

2132
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:39,040
yeah, more than 20 years. And actually,

2133
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,800
you know, many of the physicians that work in the county and and even in

2134
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,880
rural central parts of the state went

2135
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,560
through our our program at Utah Valley

2136
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,400
Hospital for family medicine. So that's

2137
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:49,360
the only one we have.

2138
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,520
>> But you'll be expanding that to multiple

2139
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:52,880
residence programs.

2140
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,199
>> Multiple programs, correct? In addition.

2141
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:55,679
And

2142
01:21:55,679 --> 01:21:57,120
>> do you know rough numbers on what that

2143
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:57,520
would be?

2144
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:58,800
>> He he just showed them off.

2145
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,719
>> Yeah. I mean the the the programs

2146
01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:02,639
themselves are are we're looking at

2147
01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:05,199
these ones, but I'll give you an as like

2148
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:06,320
rough number residenc.

2149
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:07,840
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, for internal medicine,

2150
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,639
it's a three-year residency program. Um,

2151
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:12,880
we're looking at 15 residents per class.

2152
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,440
So, it' be a total of 45 new residents

2153
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:18,480
training at our hospital. Um, in that

2154
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,520
specialty for psychiatry, it'll be uh

2155
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,520
four per class. And that's a four-year

2156
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,360
residency. So, total of 16.

2157
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:25,920
>> Yes.

2158
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,199
>> Uh per for per for the program in total.

2159
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:31,120
>> So, quite a lot of residents.

2160
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,560
>> Yeah. Yeah.

2161
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,320
>> Well, I'm thrilled you're focusing on

2162
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:35,760
psychiatry. That's such a

2163
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:36,320
>> Yeah, we have

2164
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,639
>> such an underfunded one. Um Gary Garrett

2165
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:40,000
has a question online. Gary,

2166
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,360
>> great.

2167
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,960
>> Yes. Can you go back to your last uh map

2168
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,520
image, the one that says long-term 0 to

2169
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,520
10 years? That one shows along 500 North

2170
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,239
on the corner there and I'm sorry, 500

2171
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:56,560
West and 800 North. The charcoal

2172
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,040
property which includes Chevron and the

2173
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,600
other private practices. I assume that's

2174
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,360
charcoal because that property is in

2175
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,120
private hands.

2176
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,920
Yeah, we it's probably charcoal because

2177
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,239
our our consultant made a mistake when

2178
01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:12,639
they drew this map and failed to

2179
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:14,719
remember that there's property there we

2180
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:17,040
don't own. So, we don't we don't have

2181
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,639
plans. We actually have a building in

2182
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:20,239
that charcoal area for our family

2183
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:22,719
medicine residency that that got wiped

2184
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:25,280
out in this and I wasn't able to get an

2185
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,920
updated uh map in time. So,

2186
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,400
>> so based I just made an assumption there

2187
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,960
and then farther uh north

2188
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,960
>> um or rather east on the under north the

2189
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,360
other charcoal piece adjacent to the

2190
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,320
west of the prospective building is also

2191
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,560
charcoal. My real question is is that

2192
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,239
property not owned by um IHC?

2193
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:48,080
>> It is. And I think that's meant to

2194
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,400
depict like additional surface parking

2195
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,639
opportunity. Again, I think the

2196
01:23:52,639 --> 01:23:55,760
consultant uh made some made some

2197
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,760
mistakes in their in their map drawing

2198
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,520
here. We will have additional parking

2199
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,080
around any building that we build um on

2200
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,520
that parcel, but we do not own the

2201
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,560
credit union and so we're, you know, we

2202
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,320
are planning for what we're doing there

2203
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,520
is if the credit union stays and that

2204
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,520
may change, who knows over time, but you

2205
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,920
know, not not something that we are in

2206
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,000
charge of obviously. So, sorry for that

2207
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,679
mis mis direction there.

2208
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:23,040
>> I know the city wants to get rid of the

2209
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:24,080
credit union too.

2210
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:24,560
>> Okay, [laughter]

2211
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,440
>> you both have a mutual.

2212
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:30,480
>> Um, so yeah, just in summary,

2213
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:33,040
I I mean I think covered covered much of

2214
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,159
this. I mean, we are very interested in

2215
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:38,400
an 800 North expansion. In fact, when we

2216
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,520
rebuilt the hospital, the front door for

2217
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,560
our hospital faces south to 800 North

2218
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,679
intentionally because this was in the

2219
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:50,480
RTP. This is part of the plan. We we

2220
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:52,239
were expecting that to kind of continue

2221
01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:55,280
to to grow as maybe a major corridor,

2222
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,000
but you know, obviously we're very

2223
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,760
interested in an interchange connecting

2224
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,840
the freeway and having a direct shot

2225
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,000
just because the the number of patients

2226
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,320
coming to our campus, you know, by

2227
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,600
ambulance and transport is going up. And

2228
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,320
if you can have a direct line for uh for

2229
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,400
how they get to us, that's that's just

2230
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,120
better. Um, and so we're we're very

2231
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:18,639
interested, very supportive of that.

2232
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:20,639
Happy to, you know, to be vocal about

2233
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:23,440
that. Our campus is going to continue to

2234
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:25,199
be an increasingly active and and

2235
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:26,960
vibrant campus with with greater

2236
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,719
density. And then, as I mentioned

2237
01:25:28,719 --> 01:25:31,280
earlier, we we just need your continued

2238
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,280
support, you know, as as we grow. How do

2239
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,520
we how do we accommodate

2240
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,159
the growth of of people getting to our

2241
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:39,280
campus?

2242
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,120
Well, I know one of the you as we talked

2243
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,199
about, you are the second highest

2244
01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:45,040
employer in our city and we're working

2245
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,679
on our economic development plan and we

2246
01:25:47,679 --> 01:25:49,360
assume I mean who knows what'll happen

2247
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,040
but it's very likely I think it'll come

2248
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,800
back to something medical that we should

2249
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:58,400
focus on bio industry something but um

2250
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,040
you know I we've talked about even

2251
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,480
having like a committee or something of

2252
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,080
you know the top economic people you

2253
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,440
know the hospital BYU um Norda, like

2254
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:11,440
having these groups together that we can

2255
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:13,280
help

2256
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,120
do the things we need to do in the city

2257
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,760
to make it better for you, to make it

2258
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,159
better for our customers. I mean, our

2259
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,239
citizens and the customers of the

2260
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:24,080
businesses that you bring so much to the

2261
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,480
city. And so, I I assume that we will

2262
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:28,080
work a lot together in the future. And

2263
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:29,280
we're grateful for that you guys are

2264
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,040
here and that you take good care of your

2265
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,159
property and that you're a wonderful

2266
01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:35,679
asset to the city.

2267
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:37,840
>> Wonderful. Thank you. We're excited to

2268
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,360
continue to be involved in conversations

2269
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:39,760
on

2270
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,120
>> any questions for Kyle.

2271
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,320
>> No. Thank you, Kyle.

2272
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,360
>> Great. Thanks, guys. Thank you.

2273
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,619
>> What' you say?

2274
01:26:48,619 --> 01:26:48,800
[laughter]

2275
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,800
>> Sorry.

2276
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,239
>> All right. We're going to take a break.

2277
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:52,960
>> Yep.

2278
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,199
>> Recording in progress.

2279
01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:56,480
>> All right. Next, we have a resolution

2280
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:59,760
amending the home ARP allocation plan.

2281
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,440
This presented by Melissa McN, our

2282
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:05,590
community grants administrator.

2283
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:12,310
Melissa,

2284
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,600
» good afternoon. Um, so for those of you

2285
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,840
who are new and aren't aware, our home

2286
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,880
ARP um funding was a one-time funding

2287
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:25,280
from um HUD uh to help with uh

2288
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,360
individuals dealing with homelessness or

2289
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,480
at risk of of homelessness. And this is

2290
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:33,280
just an amendment to the plan because

2291
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,920
one of our um one of our recipients of

2292
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,960
this funding um would like to change the

2293
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,800
use of some of the funding. So they want

2294
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,199
to move $260,000

2295
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:45,840
from um tenant based rental assistance

2296
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,400
into supportive services um because

2297
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,000
there's a little more leeway in the

2298
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,760
things that they can use it for in

2299
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:55,199
supportive services. So um it's not um

2300
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:57,040
increasing their funding at all. is just

2301
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,960
moving the funding kind of from one

2302
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,960
bucket to another one. And because it's

2303
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,679
sub it's because of the amount we have

2304
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:06,639
to do a substantial amendment and have a

2305
01:28:06,639 --> 01:28:08,320
public comment period and then we'll

2306
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,440
have a hearing on this in August. So, do

2307
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:15,040
you have any questions on any of that?

2308
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:16,960
What about the description, Melissa? It

2309
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,600
I just wondered if this was like um

2310
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,280
administrative services for them to

2311
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:22,800
manage the program like are they using

2312
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,719
it for staff wages or was it for actual

2313
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:29,760
>> No, this is for this is for homeless.

2314
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,560
So, it's for for community action. Um

2315
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,560
some of some of the supportive services

2316
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:39,679
does um reimburse them for salaries for

2317
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:42,000
um the individuals that are dealing

2318
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,880
directly with that population. But uh

2319
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:46,320
one of the biggest things that they

2320
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,719
cited was to um for eviction prevention.

2321
01:28:50,719 --> 01:28:52,880
Um so a lot of the the bulk of the

2322
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,840
funding will be going to um help people

2323
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,280
stay in their housing. Um and then some

2324
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,000
of it will go for um staff salaries.

2325
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,360
>> But that's like a percentage, right?

2326
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,199
Isn't like 10% or something?

2327
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:08,560
>> No, that that part, the administrative

2328
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,760
is for us. Yes. So, we reduced that down

2329
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,639
to because um council had some concerns

2330
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:16,880
about how big that was, we reduced it to

2331
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,440
5% and released the others to for more

2332
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:20,639
helpless services. So,

2333
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:21,120
>> okay, great.

2334
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,080
>> That's where we're at.

2335
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,880
>> Um any other questions for Melissa?

2336
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,199
>> All right, we'll see you tonight.

2337
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:27,679
>> Um

2338
01:29:27,679 --> 01:29:29,520
>> or is this does it have to

2339
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,920
>> Yeah, this is just a hey, this is this

2340
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:33,199
is coming up. Sure.

2341
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:33,840
>> Always invited.

2342
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,189
>> Sure. Thank you. [laughter]

2343
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:37,679
» Thanks.

2344
01:29:37,679 --> 01:29:39,840
>> All right. Next, a resolution approving

2345
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,199
an interlocal agreement between Pa City

2346
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:44,480
and Orm City regarding funding for ORM

2347
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,239
2000 South storm drain project and

2348
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:47,679
authorizing the mayor to sign that

2349
01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:50,000
agreement on behalf of the city.

2350
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,480
Presented by Daniel Nixon, public works

2351
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:53,679
engineer. I don't think you've ever

2352
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:54,639
presented to us before.

2353
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:55,120
>> She has.

2354
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:56,880
>> Oh, have you? I'm sorry, Danielle.

2355
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:57,920
>> No, just fine.

2356
01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,882
>> I'm just excited to see you anyway.

2357
01:29:59,882 --> 01:30:01,120
[laughter]

2358
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:02,560
>> So, it's it's kind of funny because I

2359
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:03,199
have presented

2360
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:05,440
>> I see you. I do know I see you. I

2361
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:07,840
presented on the other section of 2000

2362
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,400
north interlocal agreement. So this is

2363
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:14,560
>> going onto the east side of Geneva Road.

2364
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,719
Um

2365
01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:19,760
so previously when I came I talked about

2366
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,520
the storm drain that they that I

2367
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,920
installed as part of my project between

2368
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,239
Lake View Parkway and Geneva Road. This

2369
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:29,440
is now on the other side of Geneva. So,

2370
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:32,400
um, to reiterate, we do have an existing

2371
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,960
agreement for 2000 North. Provo City

2372
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:39,840
owns 2000 North up to the north curb.

2373
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,760
Um, and then it's Orm City after that.

2374
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,120
So, they own the planner strip and the

2375
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,320
sidewalk. Um, so any utility work that

2376
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,639
they do within the road does need to

2377
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:51,600
have um, [clears throat] Provo City

2378
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,920
review it and approve it. Um, but we

2379
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,000
have this agreement in place stating

2380
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,719
that they can put in utilities within

2381
01:30:58,719 --> 01:30:59,920
that road that they may need.

2382
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:02,080
>> Okay. I had a question for you. Provo

2383
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,080
and ORM don't share any utilities,

2384
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:05,840
right? We don't share pipes,

2385
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:06,639
>> right?

2386
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:09,040
>> So, when it comes to water, they have

2387
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:10,639
their water system. We have our water

2388
01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:12,639
system. Same with sewer.

2389
01:31:12,639 --> 01:31:14,719
>> There's some electrical stuff probably.

2390
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:16,159
>> They have Rocky Mountain Power and we

2391
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:17,840
have our city.

2392
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:19,840
>> So, they're just using our space to go

2393
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,000
in and access their stuff. It's not our

2394
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,040
stuff. So to clarify on this one

2395
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:28,239
specifically because we don't have a

2396
01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:33,120
storm drain main in 2000 North nor do we

2397
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:34,719
well we were planning on putting one in

2398
01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:38,400
but they needed a large facility to be

2399
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:42,239
put into this road and they with working

2400
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:45,760
with our staff we agreed that if they

2401
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,560
would accept our roadway drainage into

2402
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,920
their system we would not put in our

2403
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,440
system and then they could put in a

2404
01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:55,280
bigger facility and have more room for

2405
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,480
their storm draining. So in this case it

2406
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:01,440
is a shared facility in some regard. So

2407
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:04,320
Provo City takes care of the inlets and

2408
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,880
the laterals connecting to the main but

2409
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,440
then ORM city takes care of all of the

2410
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:10,960
main storm drain and

2411
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,639
>> and they're getting that water.

2412
01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:14,320
>> Yeah.

2413
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:14,880
>> Right.

2414
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:18,320
>> Um so like I was saying before this is

2415
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,880
on the east side of Geneva Road. So

2416
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,400
where I have it kind of highlighted in

2417
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,800
red is the location of the project that

2418
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,880
ORM city is proposing. Well, they

2419
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,520
already have it put out to u already

2420
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:33,360
awarded to RB construction. Um so

2421
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,760
they'll connect on to where I ended just

2422
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:39,120
past uh Geneva Road right by the Holiday

2423
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,440
Gas Station and then they'll continue up

2424
01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:46,239
and stop right prior to the UTA tracks

2425
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:47,520
so they won't have to cross those

2426
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:51,920
thankfully. Um so we have a proposed

2427
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,480
agreement between ORM and Provo

2428
01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:57,679
currently stating that ORM will be doing

2429
01:32:57,679 --> 01:33:00,159
will be paying and for the design and

2430
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:03,679
putting out bid the contract for

2431
01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:07,199
installing this storm drain. Um, and

2432
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:09,840
then Provo City's cost [clears throat]

2433
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:14,400
associated with this is um there's a and

2434
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,000
I'll I'll get to that later, but there's

2435
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,239
a connection into an existing system

2436
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:20,239
that we have that we would like them to

2437
01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:24,159
make and some inlets that will be placed

2438
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:27,040
um further up. One of the big caveats

2439
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,239
though that I wanted to make sure you

2440
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:31,280
guys were aware of is in this agreement

2441
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,679
we did put in a limited discharge

2442
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:36,480
section. The reason being is that

2443
01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:40,639
currently there is no um Oram city

2444
01:33:40,639 --> 01:33:43,280
outfall because they have not completed

2445
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,204
their Lake View Parkway uh

2446
01:33:45,204 --> 01:33:47,440
[clears throat] roadway. They have to

2447
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:50,560
overflow into Provo City's connection or

2448
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,800
system in Lake View Parkway. And if they

2449
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,639
were to connect like a whole subdivision

2450
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:01,199
or two onto the system, our system

2451
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:02,960
wouldn't be able to handle it. we don't

2452
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,000
have the capacity to have their

2453
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,120
communities added onto our system. So

2454
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,440
this limited discharge is essentially

2455
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:13,520
stating that the only discharge going

2456
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,719
into the system is from our street

2457
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:19,760
drainage because that is going

2458
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,320
eventually to Provo City

2459
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:23,679
uh [clears throat] storm storm water

2460
01:34:23,679 --> 01:34:26,000
right now. And once they have an outfall

2461
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,159
placed with their lengthy parkway

2462
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:31,199
extension, then they can hook on

2463
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:33,440
whatever they want because it will then

2464
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:37,040
be disconnected from the Provo um

2465
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:42,159
system. So um these are just some of the

2466
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:43,840
exhibits within the agreement showing

2467
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,159
the project plans um [clears throat]

2468
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:49,760
just where it starts and and

2469
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:53,360
ends. And then um the highlighted in

2470
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,719
yellow section right here. Oh, sorry. I

2471
01:34:56,719 --> 01:34:58,880
forget that. You can draw.

2472
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,960
>> Draw it. No worries.

2473
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,960
>> This part.

2474
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,440
Um so we have an existing sump in the

2475
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:09,520
road on 2000. We would like them to make

2476
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,320
the connection so that instead of

2477
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,239
potentially overflowing in a big rain

2478
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:16,880
event having to go around corner um it

2479
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,040
can just connect into the storm drain

2480
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:22,800
system and flow out. So um that's the

2481
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,560
main cost that Provo City is going to be

2482
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,000
paying for. We also do take they we did

2483
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,080
some math and we take percentage of

2484
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,280
other costs associated which I'll show

2485
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:34,320
you.

2486
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:38,880
>> The whole cost is 16. Yeah. Yep. That's

2487
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:44,560
the cost that Provo City will pay. The total contract cost is 900 just over

2488
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:45,840
900,000.

2489
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:49,440
>> So the materials to do that connection

2490
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:52,159
and the replacement of the of the

2491
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:54,400
asphalt and everything is about 13

2492
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:59,600
$14,000. And then this $2,2500

2493
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,120
is is takes a percentage of so we take

2494
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,560
the cost of $14,000 and see how much

2495
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,880
that is of the overall contract and then

2496
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:12,239
on certain items like SWIP and

2497
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:15,360
mobilization and traffic control we take

2498
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,520
we pay a cost part of that cost because

2499
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,600
they'll have to use that you know to do

2500
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,159
our section. So the total cost for us

2501
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:26,550
comes out to $16,52049.

2502
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,440
So not a crazy expense for us in the

2503
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:30,080
long run.

2504
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:30,400
>> No.

2505
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:31,360
>> All right.

2506
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,600
>> Um Oh, there was one. I don't know if I

2507
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:38,000
had that. No. Um there

2508
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,639
this is a part of what Provo City is

2509
01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:45,199
paying, but there is also an inlet here

2510
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:48,400
and another one on that side. There's

2511
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,239
two inlets that are being placed that

2512
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:52,719
public city will take over ownership of

2513
01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:54,719
once they are installed, but we are not

2514
01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:56,719
paying the cost of them. The reason

2515
01:36:56,719 --> 01:36:59,760
being is that there's a development and

2516
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,840
why this is all going in is there's a

2517
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,880
development on ORM's side of the road

2518
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,080
that they have to get collector street

2519
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:09,600
drainage at some point. It's part of our

2520
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,960
city code. And so ORM has an agreement

2521
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:14,320
with the developer to get these

2522
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,159
installed. And since that would normally

2523
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:18,719
be a cost of the developer, we are not

2524
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:20,880
having to pay for them. So,

2525
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,119
>> yes.

2526
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:26,000
>> Any questions? Yes.

2527
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,840
>> Is it fair to say this is a good deal

2528
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:28,960
for us? [laughter]

2529
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:29,760
>> Yes.

2530
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,080
>> That's what it sounds like.

2531
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,560
>> Councelor Bogen.

2532
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:38,480
>> Danielle, do we know how close Orm is to

2533
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:39,920
getting their portion of the Lake View

2534
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:41,679
Parkway finished?

2535
01:37:41,679 --> 01:37:44,639
>> I don't know. Unfortunately,

2536
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:49,760
I'm hoping I have heard rumors so that things are

2537
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:51,360
>> What do rumors say?

2538
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,840
>> That that maybe the mayor, the new mayor

2539
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,560
might be helping get things moving. But

2540
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,560
again, all of them are all speculation.

2541
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,159
I don't know.

2542
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:02,880
>> When I when I talked to Karen, she said

2543
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:04,480
that's probably a good thing to put on

2544
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:05,760
our joint meeting.

2545
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:06,880
>> That is a good thing to

2546
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:10,390
>> Yeah, that is

2547
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:11,440
» Yeah, I finished.

2548
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:13,679
>> Thank you so much. Thank you.

2549
01:38:13,679 --> 01:38:15,040
>> All right. Next, we have an ordinance

2550
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,440
vacating a section of 600 West to deed

2551
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:19,040
back to the adjoining property owners.

2552
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:20,480
This was presented by Megan Jensen, a

2553
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:27,750
city planner.

2554
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:31,199
Hey, thank you.

2555
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:34,639
Um, this one is pretty simple. Um, on

2556
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:38,080
1600 West, there was a subdivision. Um

2557
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,880
and the city had a certain portion of

2558
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,440
the ride ofway dedicated to us to do

2559
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:45,280
street improvements. Um those

2560
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:49,830
improvements have been done.

2561
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:54,639
Um and there's about a 20 foot width

2562
01:38:54,639 --> 01:38:57,760
that's left over. And so this is just to

2563
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,719
deed that property back to the adjoining

2564
01:39:00,719 --> 01:39:02,320
land owners.

2565
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:03,920
>> They originally gave it to you, right?

2566
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:05,119
>> Yeah.

2567
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:05,760
>> And that's all

2568
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:09,040
>> as it should be. Any questions?

2569
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:11,760
>> I I was a little confused on this one.

2570
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,719
So

2571
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:16,560
they You just said they gave it.

2572
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:17,840
>> It's their land originally.

2573
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:19,920
>> It was their land originally. So when we

2574
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,400
got that from them, did we purchase it

2575
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,480
from them? Did we

2576
01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:26,239
>> You have to give it

2577
01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:28,000
>> for their subdivision. We required it

2578
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:28,639
dedication.

2579
01:39:28,639 --> 01:39:30,400
>> Okay. We required as dedication for the

2580
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,639
subdivision and we've been able to do

2581
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:35,040
our work. Had our elbow room. We're done

2582
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:36,400
with it now.

2583
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:39,679
Okay. I just

2584
01:39:39,679 --> 01:39:42,000
I I know that we're not supposed to give

2585
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,000
away land without compensation and

2586
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,159
that's I wanted to make sure that wasn't

2587
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:47,119
an issue here

2588
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:48,400
>> because they gave it for freeze.

2589
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,239
>> That's that's what I thought though.

2590
01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:51,440
>> Yeah. And on top of that, it's actually

2591
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:53,199
what the state statute requires for

2592
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:55,920
vacations. So once we dedicated

2593
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:57,840
property, once we decide we're not using

2594
01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:59,440
it and we vacate it, it's what the state

2595
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:00,800
statute requires.

2596
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,760
>> Yeah. I just think it's useful to make

2597
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,320
it clear that it's okay for us to give

2598
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:08,800
this land back.

2599
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,480
>> Councelor Bogdan.

2600
01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:13,280
>> So with 1600 West, especially down this

2601
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:16,800
portion, it is super narrow. Super super

2602
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,600
narrow. We are confident that we're

2603
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,480
going to have be wide enough.

2604
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:23,360
>> So

2605
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:24,960
>> this portion right here is across from

2606
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,199
existing houses. It's not that upper

2607
01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:29,679
portion that we had widened. So, this

2608
01:40:29,679 --> 01:40:32,719
road has been on the plan to widen for

2609
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:35,600
um decades. And the problem we have is

2610
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:37,679
you notice the next house and you can't

2611
01:40:37,679 --> 01:40:40,639
see all the houses on there. It never

2612
01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:42,560
gets widened. Sidewalk never got done

2613
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,560
because we kept saying we're going to

2614
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,480
build back to this line of dedication,

2615
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:48,080
but we would have had to buy like eight

2616
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:52,400
houses to do that. Um we determined that

2617
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,239
that's never going to happen. So, we

2618
01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:55,920
would never build sidewalk along the

2619
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:57,679
street. So, it's better just to get the

2620
01:40:57,679 --> 01:41:01,440
sidewalk in now. Even though rather than

2621
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:03,199
try to wait till we buy these houses,

2622
01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:05,360
otherwise we'd be

2623
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:07,360
decades before they would get sidewalk.

2624
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:08,639
It's better to get that in there now

2625
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:10,480
because we have so much growth. There's

2626
01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:11,840
schools there. We just need to get the

2627
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,920
sidewalks in. And if we tried to hold

2628
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,040
that for a big roadway section, we would

2629
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:20,560
do what we did in the past and just

2630
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:22,320
never do it. And so, it just makes sense

2631
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,360
to get get in there, get it done. So

2632
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,199
holding out this person's right away

2633
01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:30,000
after they dedicate it to us, we're just

2634
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,880
never going to use it. It's just uh it

2635
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,600
was a good idea, but it's not really

2636
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,360
practical or feasible to think we'd ever

2637
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:39,040
build that road that way just because of

2638
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:40,639
the house takings we'd have to do on

2639
01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:42,000
both sides of the road.

2640
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:43,679
>> That doesn't solve the problem that that

2641
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:46,560
road is so narrow. That road is a

2642
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,560
problem. Is there parking allowed on it?

2643
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,639
No,

2644
01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:52,880
I I don't think there's no parking

2645
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,760
signs, per se, but if people park on it,

2646
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:57,600
they're told by the cops you can only

2647
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,280
get one car down it. It's It's that

2648
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:00,880
narrow. It's an alleyway. It is not a

2649
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:01,199
street.

2650
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:02,239
>> So, it's one of the other streets that

2651
01:42:02,239 --> 01:42:03,840
needs signs.

2652
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,400
>> It's just a street that needs to be

2653
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,800
widened and dealt with. And that's my

2654
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:09,520
concern right now.

2655
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:10,960
>> It's a main street. I'm not familiar

2656
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:11,520
with that.

2657
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,360
>> 1600 West is scheduled to go in through

2658
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,639
all the way to the Parkway.

2659
01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:18,080
And this goes from Sunset View

2660
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:19,760
Elementary

2661
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,239
south and it dead ends right now into

2662
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:24,400
Farmfields and it will go through all

2663
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:27,119
the way to the Parkway. It's one of the

2664
01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:31,040
1100,600 2050

2665
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:32,960
river.

2666
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:34,960
>> It goes down to the ballpark, so you get

2667
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:39,040
a lot of traffic when ball seasons in.

2668
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:41,600
Um,

2669
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,199
I get complaints all the time that we

2670
01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:44,880
never should have allowed that

2671
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:46,960
development to go through because we

2672
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,280
just don't have

2673
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:50,880
the sidewalk for the kids to walk to

2674
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,199
school. We just don't have the width of

2675
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:55,360
that road. And so that's my concern is

2676
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:57,840
we're giving this up and I realize we

2677
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,280
have to buy this is going to be a major

2678
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,080
corridor. It's going from Center Street

2679
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,159
all the way to the Parkway.

2680
01:43:06,159 --> 01:43:08,080
The sense is if we're going to end up

2681
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,119
doing that and buying all these homes,

2682
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:12,719
if we have to buy back that right away,

2683
01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:15,040
that would be the least of our expenses.

2684
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:18,000
The the the power corridor, all the

2685
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,080
utilities, the expense of this project

2686
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,480
to make it a bigger width than this is

2687
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:25,119
so enormous that I don't see it

2688
01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:27,520
happening in several generations. And so

2689
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,520
we would go generations without this.

2690
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:33,360
Even if this connects down to it to the

2691
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,320
lake view, it will

2692
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,560
the the funding cost looking projecting

2693
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,040
out funding. This will never get done

2694
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,159
and it will stay with no sidewalks on a

2695
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:47,360
narrow road for generations because

2696
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:48,800
we're waiting for funding to buy all

2697
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:50,560
those homes, relocate all the power

2698
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,440
corridor, um relocate all the

2699
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:54,960
irrigation, all the other things are out

2700
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,199
there. And and I think we've seen that

2701
01:43:57,199 --> 01:43:59,440
in the last 30 years. this is need to be

2702
01:43:59,440 --> 01:44:01,679
done, but we just there's not going to

2703
01:44:01,679 --> 01:44:03,760
be a time that we'll come to this group

2704
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:06,719
and say we got to buy nine homes at half

2705
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:08,639
a million or a million dollars a pop,

2706
01:44:08,639 --> 01:44:10,880
buy all this property.

2707
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:12,719
I would envision this group looking at

2708
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:15,040
us and saying that's just not ever going

2709
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,920
to be a $10 million priority to build

2710
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:18,880
this road.

2711
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,520
>> Is it is it narrow for blocks and blocks

2712
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:22,800
or is it just narrow for like eight

2713
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,880
homes? It's narrow for several blocks,

2714
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:26,880
but once you get into the open field,

2715
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,480
we'll widen it out once.

2716
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:30,080
>> So, with the new stuff, you will make it

2717
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:30,719
appropriately.

2718
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:32,159
>> We looked at the traffic. It will

2719
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:36,080
function. It's not ideal. It's um going

2720
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,480
to be challenging, but we'll have other

2721
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:42,719
um collective grid in this section. So,

2722
01:44:42,719 --> 01:44:45,280
this piece of rightway, whether we own

2723
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:46,960
it or don't own it, isn't going to

2724
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,960
dictate whether we ever do this widely

2725
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,520
or not. It's going to be if this body

2726
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,760
wants to dedicate millions and millions

2727
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,000
of dollars to buy homes and not even

2728
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:57,600
build the road yet, just to buy the

2729
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:00,159
homes, then

2730
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:01,840
>> this road not being wide doesn't mean

2731
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:03,440
you can't widen the new roads that will

2732
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:03,840
come in.

2733
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:05,440
>> No, we would widen for this. We go

2734
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:06,080
further down.

2735
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,000
>> The problem is it ends at Sunset

2736
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:11,040
Elementary. So, it is one of the two

2737
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:13,119
major roads you use going from the south

2738
01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:16,320
to get up to the school. And it's

2739
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,400
as much as it has no sidewalk on it,

2740
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:19,920
you've got that new subdivision that has

2741
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:21,760
lots of kids. And so you do have a lot

2742
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,920
of pedestrian traffic.

2743
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:25,199
>> We just want to get them off the road

2744
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:27,040
into on the sidewalks is the goal we

2745
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:30,390
have there.

2746
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,800
Anyway, that's where I think just

2747
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,400
projecting out seeing the future. That's

2748
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:36,480
what I would envision. So certainly this

2749
01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:37,760
body can look at something different,

2750
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,560
but I don't envision us owning that. We

2751
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,159
have a no man's land. It'd be nice just

2752
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:45,040
to have landscape take care of it.

2753
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:49,040
I just don't see a a scenario

2754
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:52,320
where the city is going to take those

2755
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:54,639
homes through there for for generations.

2756
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:56,719
That's that's the concern we have. And

2757
01:45:56,719 --> 01:45:57,920
we're going to have kids walking there

2758
01:45:57,920 --> 01:45:58,800
for generations.

2759
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:00,719
>> And where is the sidewalk being placed?

2760
01:46:00,719 --> 01:46:02,560
Is that on the piece that still Yeah.

2761
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,280
>> The city would own the sidewalk?

2762
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:07,520
>> That's where it says area to to remain

2763
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,280
dedicated. The sidewalk on the other

2764
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:10,800
side is actually more useful than the

2765
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,520
sidewalk here because these are farm

2766
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:14,880
houses, right? I mean, you can see how

2767
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:17,360
deep these lots are. I mean, Jeff and

2768
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:20,400
Lori live on this street, right? They

2769
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,080
live on this side of the street. This

2770
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,560
other side of the street is more they

2771
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:27,679
built the Hill Shawn Lane. So, Hillshaw

2772
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:30,400
is that one call Lane, but they built

2773
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:31,840
that there. And so, most of that

2774
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,560
farmland is is taken.

2775
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,239
And the junior high's over there, too,

2776
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:38,639
guys. I mean, you're looking at maybe

2777
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:40,400
two houses north is the elementary

2778
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:42,639
school and then you're looking at maybe

2779
01:46:42,639 --> 01:46:45,840
three blocks w east is the junior high

2780
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:48,239
school.

2781
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:50,719
>> So, this is a very traveled road. It is

2782
01:46:50,719 --> 01:46:53,280
a very narrow road

2783
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:56,880
and the inlet at 890 goes all the way

2784
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:58,639
through over to 1100 right past that

2785
01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:02,070
junior high.

2786
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,800
» It's a highly traveled road. It does

2787
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:07,040
need sidewalks all the way down. So, the

2788
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,199
sidewalk goes what? Two houses and then

2789
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:12,400
it stops and then it goes down to 8.90.

2790
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:13,679
I mean, you're looking from six out to

2791
01:47:13,679 --> 01:47:16,080
890. You're looking at three blocks and

2792
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:19,840
this is closer to six than it is to 890.

2793
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:21,520
So, I agree the sidewalk needs to be

2794
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,550
there.

2795
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,639
And I And this is behind the sidewalk.

2796
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:27,840
It's not in front of the sidewalk,

2797
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:28,159
right?

2798
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:30,320
>> Yeah, that section's

2799
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,400
>> Why did we have the sidewalk come out so

2800
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,719
far? Why didn't we have it pushed back?

2801
01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:40,239
>> So if you look what we intend to do is if we have the road weeding in and

2802
01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:42,480
out makes an unsafe condition. We wanted

2803
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:44,800
to just have a straight shot because if

2804
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,960
you look at all the other pre property

2805
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:49,280
they would own way out. So, if we're

2806
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:51,760
putting this sidewalk in,

2807
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,159
um,

2808
01:47:54,159 --> 01:47:57,440
if we had built it into this section and

2809
01:47:57,440 --> 01:47:59,760
then build it out, then build it in and

2810
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:03,360
build it out, the the drainage would be

2811
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,199
virtually impossible to manage. It would

2812
01:48:05,199 --> 01:48:07,600
be awful for It'd be unsafe condition

2813
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:09,760
for the traffic.

2814
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:11,360
Um,

2815
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,679
it would just create a hazard. it would

2816
01:48:13,679 --> 01:48:15,679
be a hazard for the kids that walk out

2817
01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:18,400
into the sidewalk, out into the street.

2818
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,560
There's there's not a good reason to

2819
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,320
build it that way. So, we need to build

2820
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:26,320
a straight shot. And um I just believe

2821
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:28,560
the financial constraints are not going

2822
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:31,199
to let us

2823
01:48:31,199 --> 01:48:33,440
build a road we'd really like to build.

2824
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:35,040
And so, I think that's where we are with

2825
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:36,800
that. I don't know if that answered your

2826
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:37,520
question.

2827
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,440
>> No, it did. I appreciate that. But I

2828
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:40,719
also think it's good to get out there

2829
01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:43,840
into the public because this street is

2830
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:45,199
the street is a problem.

2831
01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:47,119
>> It is, but we have so many kids walking

2832
01:48:47,119 --> 01:48:48,480
down that street and

2833
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:48,960
>> we do.

2834
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:51,199
>> And if I and if we just keep the lane

2835
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:55,679
and not doing the sidewalk, I felt so we we just said we're going to jump on

2836
01:48:55,679 --> 01:48:57,119
this. This just needs to get done. So

2837
01:48:57,119 --> 01:48:58,639
we're going to finish the sidewalk.

2838
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:00,080
>> We need to get the no parking signs up

2839
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:00,800
on that road, too.

2840
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:01,840
>> Yeah, we can do that, too.

2841
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:02,719
>> Councelor Whitlock,

2842
01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:04,080
>> I have two questions. One, just to

2843
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:05,360
summarize the conversation to make sure

2844
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,440
I'm understanding it well. Essentially,

2845
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:09,040
we're saying there's a lot of kids on

2846
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:11,199
the street. We want to build a sidewalk.

2847
01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:12,639
Because we're building the sidewalk, we

2848
01:49:12,639 --> 01:49:14,480
know we won't need that piece of land

2849
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:15,679
because we're putting the sidewalk to

2850
01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:17,600
the right of it. And that's why we're

2851
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:18,880
doing that's like the trigger. Is that

2852
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:19,440
correct?

2853
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:20,000
>> Yes.

2854
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,760
>> Amazing. So, we're prioritizing kids

2855
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:25,440
safety um ahead of time, proactively. Is

2856
01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:26,400
that fair to say?

2857
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:26,800
>> Yes.

2858
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:28,880
>> Cool. I have a really just a small

2859
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:30,639
question. What is the actual size of

2860
01:49:30,639 --> 01:49:32,639
that parcel? Because there's sort of

2861
01:49:32,639 --> 01:49:34,639
different reports of it in the in

2862
01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:36,400
different documents. One of them says

2863
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:40,480
it's uh

2864
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:42,880
13 acres and the other one says it's 085

2865
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:44,719
acres. So I'm just curious if you know

2866
01:49:44,719 --> 01:49:45,520
the actual size.

2867
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,880
>> The size of the the red part the red

2868
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,840
>> is 08 is what it says in the legal

2869
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:54,080
description here.

2870
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:56,480
>> Sorry it's small. Okay, there we go. So

2871
01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:58,480
>> they knew they told me one time. I never

2872
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:00,000
really

2873
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,719
>> That's why I need somebody to tell me.

2874
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:04,560
>> Makes sense. What is the width of that

2875
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,239
row now that we're talking about city

2876
01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:06,960
shades?

2877
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:08,800
>> I

2878
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:12,320
burn both speakers on vacation.

2879
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,080
No, we're not glad. Nobody should be

2880
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,560
flat. It's not a positive.

2881
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:17,840
>> Don't reward that behavior.

2882
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:19,760
>> No, we are not going to reward that. I

2883
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,960
won't tell anybody said otherwise. No.

2884
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:25,600
So, we we've gone back and forth this

2885
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,360
before we did the sidewalk project. We

2886
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,199
had been arguing for probably two years,

2887
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:31,760
Bernie and I, back and forth. we got to

2888
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,320
consensus that we had to get this was

2889
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:35,920
the only way to get the sidewalk done

2890
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:40,480
and is just to do this and and and and

2891
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:43,040
he's concurrent with me. He agrees we we

2892
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,280
just we just had to find a way to solve

2893
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:46,480
this. So

2894
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:48,080
>> we don't remember the width.

2895
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:50,960
>> Yeah, we do know the width, but I have

2896
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:53,199
to go look it up. I don't know it.

2897
01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:55,199
>> Well, we're glad bird agrees. Is it

2898
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:57,440
smaller than 24 feet?

2899
01:50:57,440 --> 01:51:00,480
>> Uh I'm looking at it right now. I would

2900
01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:01,679
dare say it is

2901
01:51:01,679 --> 01:51:03,199
>> not what it is.

2902
01:51:03,199 --> 01:51:04,639
>> Don't measure the wider part with the

2903
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:05,840
new subdivision measure.

2904
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:07,679
>> I think it's bigger. I think it's a 60

2905
01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:10,480
foot asphalt or 30 foot asphalt section,

2906
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:11,360
but I'd have to

2907
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:12,960
>> I would guess we're 30. I don't think

2908
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:18,149
it's 60.

2909
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:19,760
» Yeah,

2910
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:21,840
>> let me let me check. We're also we're

2911
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,080
eliminate. Let me let me find out. We

2912
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:26,560
can get back [laughter] to

2913
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,119
>> All right. Thank you.

2914
01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:30,639
All right. Next, we have an ordinance

2915
01:51:30,639 --> 01:51:32,159
requiring members of the boards and

2916
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:33,600
commissions to be provo residents. This

2917
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:36,480
is presented by our policy analyst,

2918
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:53,189
Tanner Tikuchi.

2919
01:51:53,199 --> 01:51:55,840
» Thank you. Today, first item I'll be

2920
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:57,840
presenting regards our boards and

2921
01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:59,520
commissions. this topic came up because

2922
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,840
we're in the confirmation season, the

2923
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:05,199
consenting season for board appointees.

2924
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:07,199
So essentially what this does is it

2925
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:09,199
changes the what I call the default

2926
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:11,440
setting for residency requirements.

2927
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:13,920
Currently in code, the default is that

2928
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:17,119
anyone can serve on a Provo board or

2929
01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:19,280
commission regardless of their residency

2930
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:22,080
status being a Provo resident unless the

2931
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:24,400
code in that specific board or

2932
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:26,480
commission section of statute says

2933
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:28,719
otherwise. Those boards, as I understand

2934
01:52:28,719 --> 01:52:30,880
it, are listed right here with their

2935
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:32,880
actual requirements. So, what the

2936
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:35,840
proposal, the policy proposal that I'm

2937
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,080
going to explain today would essentially

2938
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:40,560
add a residency requirement to the

2939
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,639
general section of the boards and

2940
01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:46,239
commissions chapter of code and allow

2941
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:50,080
exceptions to be made in the individual

2942
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:52,880
uh sections for the specific boards and

2943
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:55,440
commissions. So you can see the language

2944
01:52:55,440 --> 01:52:58,400
here. That is what is the the function

2945
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:00,159
like the main functional part of the

2946
01:53:00,159 --> 01:53:03,040
proposal. And then the other exhibits

2947
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,599
that are included in your packet allow

2948
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:07,920
the arts council to maintain three

2949
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:09,679
non-residents because of the impact the

2950
01:53:09,679 --> 01:53:11,440
arts council has on the broader Utah

2951
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:14,560
County community. Uh that was uh

2952
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:16,960
requested by the sponsor councelor

2953
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:18,960
Bogdan. And then as Brian and I talked

2954
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:22,639
about it, we suggested adding

2955
01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:25,280
exceptions there in the airport board

2956
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:26,800
and on the board of equalization which

2957
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,599
is made exclusively of city employees.

2958
01:53:29,599 --> 01:53:31,520
>> What's FPO?

2959
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:34,400
>> Uh flight based operator.

2960
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:36,159
>> It's the person who runs the

2961
01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:36,719
>> Yeah.

2962
01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:38,239
>> the gas and stuff.

2963
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:40,800
>> Oh yeah yeah yeah. Okay. Got it. They're

2964
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,800
that representative is required to be a

2965
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:44,800
member of

2966
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:46,719
representing the business side rather

2967
01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:47,760
than Yeah.

2968
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,679
>> Citizen sign and there's no guarantee

2969
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:51,760
that whoever that person is going to do.

2970
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:52,800
That makes sense.

2971
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,000
>> Correct.

2972
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,960
>> And uh this was a change made when we

2973
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:58,639
about the time we published. So the

2974
01:53:58,639 --> 01:54:00,880
language of of candidates here would

2975
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,440
allow any incumbent non-residents to

2976
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:04,639
continue. I understand that there's at

2977
01:54:04,639 --> 01:54:06,800
least one that was just appointed to the

2978
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:08,560
landmarks commission. So that individual

2979
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:10,400
would be able to to carry out the term

2980
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,719
that they've been approved to. Great.

2981
01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:13,760
>> To to start.

2982
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:15,520
>> All right. Any questions for Okay.

2983
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:16,960
>> Oh, sorry. I can just I'll make this

2984
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:19,280
quick. I I just want to point out like

2985
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,760
there's there's a consideration to be

2986
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,159
made about some committees having very

2987
01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:26,639
specific requirements. You'll see some

2988
01:54:26,639 --> 01:54:29,599
of these uh listed here require

2989
01:54:29,599 --> 01:54:32,080
additional training or experience. So

2990
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:33,520
essentially one of the impacts of this

2991
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,280
could be shrinking the total talent

2992
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,679
pool. For example, not all BYU history

2993
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:39,920
professors live in the city. So you

2994
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:42,800
would if the council is comfortable uh

2995
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,440
with the pool of professors or anyone

2996
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,440
else with history experience or

2997
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:49,280
transportation academia experience

2998
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:50,800
living in the city then that really is a

2999
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,440
non-issue at that point. I don't have

3000
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:55,919
any numbers to back that up right now.

3001
01:54:55,919 --> 01:54:57,040
[laughter] But I don't know how many

3002
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,400
history professors live here in the

3003
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:02,400
city. That's what I mean. Uh you can see

3004
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:03,599
of the boards and commissions that we

3005
01:55:03,599 --> 01:55:04,960
have, we're on the lower end. Most

3006
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:06,800
cities require more of their boards to

3007
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:08,719
have some form of residency than us. So,

3008
01:55:08,719 --> 01:55:10,639
we're the largest city out of those.

3009
01:55:10,639 --> 01:55:13,119
>> That's correct. And this is just a

3010
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:13,760
summary of

3011
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:14,960
>> there's more people that you

3012
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:15,840
>> how

3013
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,239
>> the boards will be composed

3014
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:20,880
if this proposal is adopted. And that's

3015
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:23,679
the end of it.

3016
01:55:23,679 --> 01:55:25,280
>> Thanks, Tanner. Any questions for

3017
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,360
Tanner?

3018
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:28,480
>> Yes.

3019
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:30,480
>> Just the arts council could you

3020
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:34,239
mentioned the broader impact it has on

3021
01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:35,520
the broader community,

3022
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:37,679
>> correct? Um, I guess I need a little

3023
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:41,199
more. I mean, why does the IRS council

3024
01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:43,440
need to have people from outside Provo?

3025
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:44,880
I don't know. Just I just need to

3026
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:45,760
understand it was a little more.

3027
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:47,280
>> That just came to us a couple years ago.

3028
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:49,040
Yeah, go for it.

3029
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:51,760
>> When the Cubby Center was constructed,

3030
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:53,520
that was a change I think that came

3031
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:56,320
around that time because of the regional

3032
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:58,080
nature of the Cubby Center and the

3033
01:55:58,080 --> 01:55:59,920
assumption that the arts council would

3034
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:02,560
be part of, you know, with that

3035
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:05,040
facility. So it was looked at as a

3036
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:07,199
regional facility and is being utilized

3037
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:09,440
as such. So that was the logic behind it

3038
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:09,840
back then.

3039
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:14,149
>> So you think it's still justified?

3040
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:15,679
» I think it is. Yeah.

3041
01:56:15,679 --> 01:56:19,199
>> Okay. Thanks.

3042
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:20,800
>> Question.

3043
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:21,280
>> Yes.

3044
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:22,960
>> Gary.

3045
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:26,719
>> Uh yes, Tanner. Can you um clarify for

3046
01:56:26,719 --> 01:56:29,520
me how this relates to the power board?

3047
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:31,599
Is the power board technically not a

3048
01:56:31,599 --> 01:56:36,149
Provo board since it's UMPA?

3049
01:56:36,159 --> 01:56:40,000
» It it is and it is outlined in the pro

3050
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,560
the power section of code.

3051
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:42,960
>> Yeah.

3052
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:44,480
>> And they're all residents, right?

3053
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:45,199
>> Yes.

3054
01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:47,360
>> Oh, they are all residents.

3055
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:48,320
>> Currently they are.

3056
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:49,440
>> I believe they are.

3057
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:50,639
>> Currently they are.

3058
01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:52,320
>> So is it not requ but this would make it

3059
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:53,440
required that they all are.

3060
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:55,199
>> As I Yes, that is correct.

3061
01:56:55,199 --> 01:56:57,920
>> And I think that makes sense because

3062
01:56:57,920 --> 01:56:59,440
only six cities. Why would we want

3063
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:01,520
somebody from or sitting on our

3064
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:03,599
>> energy board? And we have to have an

3065
01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:05,040
energy board from what I understand

3066
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:07,280
because we're so large, right?

3067
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:09,679
>> So, it doesn't make sense to farm that

3068
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:10,320
out.

3069
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,639
>> If we're supposed to have it, let's keep

3070
01:57:12,639 --> 01:57:13,840
it,

3071
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,159
>> right? But what about So, what am I

3072
01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:18,719
missing here? Because it includes Nephi

3073
01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:21,199
and um so

3074
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:23,119
>> No, no, no. Well, that's not the Oompa

3075
01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:24,639
board. That's a whole different board.

3076
01:57:24,639 --> 01:57:25,840
>> Yeah. Yeah. Gary, I think you're

3077
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:28,560
conflating the the board of directors of

3078
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,520
UMPA with the Provo City Energy Board

3079
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:33,920
that just advises the Provo City Energy

3080
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:34,480
Department.

3081
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:38,159
>> Oh, okay. Sorry. Thank Thank you.

3082
01:57:38,159 --> 01:57:38,719
>> Thank you,

3083
01:57:38,719 --> 01:57:40,480
>> Gary. I've heard that Spanish Fork is

3084
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:42,000
getting close to where they would be

3085
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:43,520
required to have an energy board as

3086
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:45,840
well. So, I think it's within UMPA's

3087
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:48,480
bylaws or something that triggers an

3088
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:52,790
energy board.

3089
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:55,040
» All right, any other questions?

3090
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:56,800
Yeah, go ahead.

3091
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:59,520
>> Yes, madam director. [laughter]

3092
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:02,880
>> Um I thought Bill, correct me if I'm

3093
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:04,320
wrong. I thought we got rid of the

3094
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:06,239
design review committee. Is that still

3095
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:07,679
in code?

3096
01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:09,760
>> Um we'll be getting rid of formalizing

3097
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:10,960
that with new

3098
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:13,760
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you,

3099
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:14,800
>> Scott Henderson.

3100
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,040
>> Uh maybe um helping you with the

3101
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,920
definition of residency. Um, I know

3102
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:21,840
there are board members that own a

3103
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:24,960
business here in town or own land or own

3104
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,679
property. Are those included as

3105
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:29,280
residents? Are we going to have to

3106
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:31,280
establish whether or not they reside in

3107
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:33,119
the community or are they landowned?

3108
01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:35,520
>> That's a good that's a good point.

3109
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:38,080
>> So, as far as the legal definition, I

3110
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:39,280
mean, when I've worked on other issues

3111
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:41,119
in the past, if there's no definition in

3112
01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:43,360
code, then it reverts to the most common

3113
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:44,880
understanding of what a resident would

3114
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:46,239
be, which would be their primary

3115
01:58:46,239 --> 01:58:48,639
residences here in the city. like they

3116
01:58:48,639 --> 01:58:51,599
spend 51% of their residential time in

3117
01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:53,840
the city. But Brian, feel free to jump

3118
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:55,040
in and correct me on that.

3119
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:57,040
>> No, I I think that's I think that's

3120
01:58:57,040 --> 01:58:58,320
right as far as what the definition

3121
01:58:58,320 --> 01:58:59,760
means. And I guess to the policy

3122
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:01,199
question, could you go back to the slide

3123
01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:04,400
that lists the boards? I think yeah I

3124
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:07,920
was gonna say I think the question the

3125
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:10,159
policy question is a valid one and then

3126
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:12,480
and it just becomes a are there some of

3127
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:15,840
the are there any of these that you

3128
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:20,080
think that someone who owns property

3129
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:23,280
uh should be allowed rather than someone

3130
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:26,400
who lives here because you know just

3131
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:30,400
because somebody I don't know owns a

3132
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:31,840
business doesn't necessarily make them a

3133
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:34,000
prime candidate for the library board,

3134
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:35,599
>> but it might make them a prime candidate

3135
01:59:35,599 --> 01:59:36,880
for

3136
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:39,040
>> the energy board maybe, right? I mean,

3137
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:40,880
because they're that has an impact on

3138
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:42,480
business. So,

3139
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:44,560
>> I know I know my goal is residents as

3140
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:46,000
far as they live here. Yeah.

3141
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:50,000
>> Their quality of life, their day-to-day,

3142
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:51,360
>> they're invested.

3143
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:53,599
>> And I would say also to Brian's comment,

3144
01:59:53,599 --> 01:59:55,040
you know, there's a ven diagram. people

3145
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:56,800
who own businesses in Provo, people who

3146
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:58,719
live in Provo, and there's an overlap

3147
01:59:58,719 --> 02:00:00,719
there, you would be now then focusing on

3148
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:02,960
you could consider if there was a need

3149
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:05,040
for someone who owned a business. It's

3150
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:06,719
just a smaller pool, but it is an

3151
02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:08,320
existing pool of residents who own

3152
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:09,679
businesses. So,

3153
02:00:09,679 --> 02:00:11,360
>> Gary, do you have a question? Does Gary

3154
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:12,880
have his hand up?

3155
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:13,520
>> Okay.

3156
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:15,040
>> Um, it was the earlier question, but

3157
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:16,960
since you call asked, [clears throat]

3158
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:19,599
yes, I will inquire. I will inquire

3159
02:00:19,599 --> 02:00:23,520
about DPI. Um to Scott's earlier point

3160
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:26,320
about down about business owners, could

3161
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:28,560
they be in business owners be included

3162
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:29,440
on

3163
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:31,520
>> Okay. Okay. That's a separate

3164
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:35,280
>> Okay. Thank you.

3165
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:37,440
>> I have I have a question. Have we had

3166
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:39,360
because Tanner, you mentioned like a

3167
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:41,679
conceptual on your other slide where you

3168
02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:43,760
said residency requirements may limit

3169
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:44,560
talent pools.

3170
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:45,520
>> Yeah, sure.

3171
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:49,199
>> Have we had a difficult time filling

3172
02:00:49,199 --> 02:00:51,119
boards historically?

3173
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:52,639
Now that I'm aware, Scott, I don't know.

3174
02:00:52,639 --> 02:00:54,159
You would probably have more experience

3175
02:00:54,159 --> 02:00:55,840
historically and I haven't asked that

3176
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:56,719
question of you.

3177
02:00:56,719 --> 02:00:58,800
>> It seems to be a constant call and

3178
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:01,280
especially around July 1, there is a,

3179
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:03,199
you know, quite a turnover, but I think

3180
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:04,960
we've been able to reach quorums and

3181
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:06,880
fill our boards along the way with a

3182
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:09,199
little bit of cooperative effort. While

3183
02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:10,639
this slide is up, just going back to

3184
02:01:10,639 --> 02:01:12,960
Scott's earlier comment. You notice that

3185
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:15,040
particularly in team, one of the members

3186
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:17,040
on TeamAC is supposed to set

3187
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:19,760
specifically be a somebody who

3188
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:22,719
represents a business. So that that may

3189
02:01:22,719 --> 02:01:24,239
be one of the questions where that one

3190
02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:25,760
of the areas where Scott's question

3191
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:28,880
particularly applies is do you want that

3192
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,840
to have to be a business representative

3193
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:34,080
who also lives here or could it just

3194
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:35,840
>> We have that now. So, right now it's the

3195
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:39,440
Vesper owner who lives here and owns the

3196
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:39,840
>> Yeah.

3197
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:42,400
>> the scooter store.

3198
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:46,000
So, I think we can do both.

3199
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:48,639
I I double checked on T-Mac and Vern

3200
02:01:48,639 --> 02:01:50,880
felt comfortable with the change.

3201
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:53,280
Thought it was good.

3202
02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:55,280
>> You can try it. See how it goes.

3203
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:56,639
>> I mean, yeah, if we run into a problem,

3204
02:01:56,639 --> 02:01:59,040
we know [laughter]

3205
02:01:59,040 --> 02:01:59,599
expand.

3206
02:01:59,599 --> 02:01:59,920
>> All right.

3207
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:01,520
>> Yeah. the way that it's for example the

3208
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:04,480
way that it's the way that it's written

3209
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:07,040
uh it says accept as provided with the

3210
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:08,960
specific board. So you could always add

3211
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:11,360
language to the team act one later

3212
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:13,119
saying that that one doesn't have to be

3213
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:15,840
a resump the one that you're the change

3214
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:16,880
that you're making.

3215
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:18,320
>> Sure. So

3216
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:20,480
>> all right well we'll hear to this is in

3217
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:21,520
the night meeting.

3218
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:22,880
>> Yeah I can bring it back to a night

3219
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:24,239
meeting the next night meeting. But I

3220
02:02:24,239 --> 02:02:25,679
can also say that even though we have

3221
02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:27,760
BYU, we're still a pretty large city,

3222
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:32,639
right? And we are still the hub and I

3223
02:02:32,639 --> 02:02:34,880
think we can and we have a college town.

3224
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:36,639
So we have professors living here, we

3225
02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:38,000
have business owners living here, we

3226
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:40,400
have residents living here. I think we

3227
02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:42,639
should be able to fill those.

3228
02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:46,950
>> Awesome. Thank you.

3229
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:49,119
» Oh, you're the next one. Read it really

3230
02:02:49,119 --> 02:02:51,360
quick, Tanner. a discussion regarding a

3231
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:53,040
proposed text amendment to allow tow

3232
02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:56,080
truck parking in residential zones

3233
02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:57,840
and I'm not going to read the part that

3234
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,480
>> yeah thank you for not reading so yeah

3235
02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:02,320
uh this is an issue item that was

3236
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:03,679
sponsored by councelor McKay and

3237
02:03:03,679 --> 02:03:05,920
councelor Bogdan and just to clarify

3238
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:08,719
this item only pertains to storage and

3239
02:03:08,719 --> 02:03:12,159
parking of a tow truck on a residential

3240
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:14,800
parcel not streets in a residential zone

3241
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:15,760
so I [snorts] just want to make that

3242
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:17,520
clear up front I I that's my

3243
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:19,520
responsibility for any confusion on

3244
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:21,199
that.

3245
02:03:21,199 --> 02:03:23,280
So,

3246
02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:27,520
this is an act balancing act of public

3247
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:29,599
safety and the needs of the police

3248
02:03:29,599 --> 02:03:32,719
department compared to like local

3249
02:03:32,719 --> 02:03:35,119
neighborhood issues and trying to make

3250
02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:37,119
uh trying to balance those those

3251
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:39,040
important needs.

3252
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:40,639
First, just a little bit of context. I'm

3253
02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:42,239
going to talk about how tow trucks

3254
02:03:42,239 --> 02:03:44,080
operate in Provo and I'm going to get to

3255
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,080
the proposal and describing what the

3256
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:48,080
proposal exactly entails towards the

3257
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:51,119
end. But in Provo, we have several tow

3258
02:03:51,119 --> 02:03:54,239
truck businesses that operate here

3259
02:03:54,239 --> 02:03:56,800
and not all of them are resident. People

3260
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,320
who operate tow truck businesses,

3261
02:03:58,320 --> 02:04:00,400
speaking to that question from earlier,

3262
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:02,960
actually live here in Provo. some they

3263
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:05,599
might operate from yards here. But in

3264
02:04:05,599 --> 02:04:08,239
addition to providing services to

3265
02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:10,560
citizens or residents who need towing

3266
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:11,840
services because they have a flat tire

3267
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:13,119
or something like that, they also

3268
02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:14,960
respond to public public needs from law

3269
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:16,400
enforcement agencies including the

3270
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:18,159
proper police department. And so that

3271
02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:20,239
can be for any number of issues, some of

3272
02:04:20,239 --> 02:04:22,960
which are listed here. And so the police

3273
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:24,960
department rather frequently calls on

3274
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:28,320
tow trucks in the area through a what's

3275
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:30,239
called a rotation list where all of the

3276
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:32,159
tow truck businesses are listed out and

3277
02:04:32,159 --> 02:04:34,320
then they go in order calling on their

3278
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:37,679
services when they're required.

3279
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:39,520
Those tow truck companies that are on

3280
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:41,599
the rotation list and who are on the

3281
02:04:41,599 --> 02:04:43,280
rotation list for other law enforcement

3282
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:45,440
agencies in the county that will operate

3283
02:04:45,440 --> 02:04:49,199
in the county have contractual

3284
02:04:49,199 --> 02:04:51,199
time limits that they have to respond to

3285
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:54,320
those calls. So you'll see it can be

3286
02:04:54,320 --> 02:04:56,480
longer for some of these other agencies.

3287
02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:58,880
Ours is 15 minutes. I will say though

3288
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:00,880
that that's actually to my knowledge not

3289
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:03,119
written anywhere yet. The police

3290
02:05:03,119 --> 02:05:04,480
department is working on a written

3291
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:06,560
agreement that will codify that likely

3292
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:09,679
to 15 minutes uh when they adopt their

3293
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:12,320
new software uh to help operate the tow

3294
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:14,719
list. But I spoke to everyone on the tow

3295
02:05:14,719 --> 02:05:17,119
list, the operators that is to say, and

3296
02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:20,080
then the police department. And everyone

3297
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:22,560
across the board without fail said the

3298
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:24,560
expectation is 15 minutes. So that is

3299
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:26,480
what they're functionally operating on

3300
02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:29,440
right now. So would they have to respond

3301
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:31,280
in 15 minutes to any call that they

3302
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:33,679
receive any time of day 24/7? That's

3303
02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:35,119
what we're expecting of the tow truck

3304
02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:37,840
companies.

3305
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:40,000
So I'll go over these again. It's not

3306
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:41,920
covering this or sorry it's not covering

3307
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:43,840
this. This has nothing to do with this.

3308
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:47,360
But so this will stay in code. However,

3309
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:50,960
this is a piece of code that's currently

3310
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:54,400
in our zoning our zone ordinance zoning

3311
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:57,760
code that would prohibit them from they

3312
02:05:57,760 --> 02:05:59,360
prohibit most tow trucks from being

3313
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:01,760
stored on a residential lot. So

3314
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:03,840
essentially they cannot park their tow

3315
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:06,080
truck that they operate at their house

3316
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:08,159
is what that law is saying. And so this

3317
02:06:08,159 --> 02:06:10,639
has created some conflicts for residents

3318
02:06:10,639 --> 02:06:12,000
where they're being cited by code

3319
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:14,159
enforcement for having their tow truck

3320
02:06:14,159 --> 02:06:16,719
at their house even though we're

3321
02:06:16,719 --> 02:06:18,880
requiring a 15-minute response to police

3322
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:20,800
calls even at night time.

3323
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:22,719
>> Wait, can you go back one, Tanner? There

3324
02:06:22,719 --> 02:06:23,599
you go.

3325
02:06:23,599 --> 02:06:25,360
>> Shall be allowed to be parked on any

3326
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:27,679
public street or world.

3327
02:06:27,679 --> 02:06:29,440
>> No tow truck. Okay. So, that's no

3328
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:30,159
parking. Correct.

3329
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:30,639
>> That's correct.

3330
02:06:30,639 --> 02:06:31,840
>> I thought they were conflicting like you

3331
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:33,280
said, but they're the same. Okay.

3332
02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:35,440
>> Yes.

3333
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:38,079
So, just to give a quick background also

3334
02:06:38,079 --> 02:06:40,480
on if if this has been a problem, if

3335
02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:43,360
this happens frequently, um this is how

3336
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:45,199
many heavy trucks or heavy commercial

3337
02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:47,040
vehicles are cited by code enforcement

3338
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:49,280
annually for parking on the street

3339
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:50,719
illegally in violation of that first

3340
02:06:50,719 --> 02:06:52,960
code. This is how many heavy commercial

3341
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:55,760
vehicles in general are being cited for

3342
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:58,480
being parked on a parcel illegally,

3343
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:00,480
whether that's a food truck or a, you

3344
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:02,560
know, heavy earth moving equipment or

3345
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:04,880
something like that. And then tow trucks

3346
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:06,480
actually, there's only been about five

3347
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:08,560
cases over the past 5 years that a tow

3348
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:10,159
truck has actually been in violation.

3349
02:07:10,159 --> 02:07:12,320
That's just for you general context.

3350
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:14,880
This doesn't happen a lot, but it could

3351
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:16,719
happen. It's happened to some residents

3352
02:07:16,719 --> 02:07:18,079
who have brought this to the council's

3353
02:07:18,079 --> 02:07:21,910
attention recently.

3354
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:24,639
So, as far as the actual need or the

3355
02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:27,360
effect of this and potentially

3356
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:29,599
prohibiting or making it difficult for

3357
02:07:29,599 --> 02:07:32,079
operators to park at their house, um

3358
02:07:32,079 --> 02:07:35,679
this is a a frequent occurrence.

3359
02:07:35,679 --> 02:07:37,520
It's not probably a small portion of

3360
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:39,280
their actual business being a being

3361
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:42,800
called on to tow for Provo once a week,

3362
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:46,480
but um they could be um towing for other

3363
02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:50,239
cities. And it really just would strain

3364
02:07:50,239 --> 02:07:53,360
their ability to respond to like is

3365
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:56,239
listed here 1,800 requests a year for

3366
02:07:56,239 --> 02:07:58,239
towing services.

3367
02:07:58,239 --> 02:08:01,599
>> Councelor Bogdan has a question. So,

3368
02:08:01,599 --> 02:08:03,440
>> let's say we keep this and they can't

3369
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:05,199
respond in 15 minutes because they're

3370
02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:07,679
not dynamic

3371
02:08:07,679 --> 02:08:09,520
and they can just drive to their yard

3372
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:10,560
and grab it and go.

3373
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:12,000
>> Mhm.

3374
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:15,679
>> What was cut from 35 down to what? We

3375
02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:18,079
know. So I talked talked to Lieutenant

3376
02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:20,320
Larson that he didn't give me an exact

3377
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:22,079
number. There are some people on the

3378
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:24,400
rotation right now who routinely miss

3379
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:25,760
the cutoff. And that's really the

3380
02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:28,079
biggest impact on the operators is the

3381
02:08:28,079 --> 02:08:31,199
fact that if they can't come in time

3382
02:08:31,199 --> 02:08:32,960
then the officer, the responding officer

3383
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:34,719
will just skip them and they lose out on

3384
02:08:34,719 --> 02:08:36,639
the calls. That's probably the biggest

3385
02:08:36,639 --> 02:08:38,800
impact to the operator. Lieutenant

3386
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:41,679
Larson expects that some will drop off,

3387
02:08:41,679 --> 02:08:43,119
but I don't think he was able to

3388
02:08:43,119 --> 02:08:46,079
quantify exactly how many will will drop

3389
02:08:46,079 --> 02:08:48,000
off the list because they're just kind

3390
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:49,920
of permanently unable to respond. And

3391
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:51,599
>> so we don't know how many would put us

3392
02:08:51,599 --> 02:08:53,199
in like crisis mode. I mean, because

3393
02:08:53,199 --> 02:08:55,360
we're using them one

3394
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:57,040
per week at 35.

3395
02:08:57,040 --> 02:08:59,760
>> I get what you're looking. So I think so

3396
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:02,960
35 companies responding. I don't think a

3397
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:06,000
reduction in that number will lead to a

3398
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:08,719
crisis. I think it will just lead to to

3399
02:09:08,719 --> 02:09:10,800
more calls for the ex for the people who

3400
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:12,320
remain on the rotation list.

3401
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:15,920
>> But let's say let's say that Robin his

3402
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:18,320
company

3403
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:20,560
>> are they the only ones in town that can

3404
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:23,599
actually park at a towyard and and

3405
02:09:23,599 --> 02:09:26,000
respond? I mean we haven't others that

3406
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:27,440
just aren't

3407
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:28,960
>> that are hiding their truck well that

3408
02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:30,480
aren't getting

3409
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:31,599
>> hit. I mean,

3410
02:09:31,599 --> 02:09:32,800
>> I understand what you mean.

3411
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:35,920
>> If if we if we keep this in in line and

3412
02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:38,239
keep enforcing on this, are we going to

3413
02:09:38,239 --> 02:09:40,400
just be down to dynamic?

3414
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:42,560
>> I understand what you're saying. Yes.

3415
02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:44,880
>> Well, given I mean, you would think not,

3416
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:47,040
given that it's already currently

3417
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:48,480
illegal and we've only been sighting

3418
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:50,159
once a year.

3419
02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:51,040
>> Yeah.

3420
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:53,440
>> Okay. So, they're not doing well at

3421
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:54,800
hiding their trucks. They're just not

3422
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:55,520
parking them here.

3423
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:56,880
>> Yeah. And we're not finding them. We're

3424
02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:58,320
not complaining about it. or they don't

3425
02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:00,960
live necessarily in the city, but the

3426
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:03,920
operators who do live in the city who could live in the city in the future

3427
02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:05,760
would be impacted by it. You're right

3428
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:07,840
that there are some operators, the vast

3429
02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:11,199
minority though, uh I out of my

3430
02:10:11,199 --> 02:10:12,639
interviews that I've had with the towing

3431
02:10:12,639 --> 02:10:15,920
companies, only three or four, three of

3432
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:18,079
which are the people you're referring to

3433
02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:20,560
live within, you know, walking distance

3434
02:10:20,560 --> 02:10:22,159
or close enough that it wouldn't really

3435
02:10:22,159 --> 02:10:25,375
be an additional tax on their time.

3436
02:10:25,375 --> 02:10:28,709
[clears throat]

3437
02:10:28,719 --> 02:10:30,400
It's going to open. Okay.

3438
02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:33,199
>> Uh, so we're going to open this up to

3439
02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:35,360
all trailers and such.

3440
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:36,560
>> No. So, yeah, just

3441
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:38,079
>> tow truck. You're just going to put in

3442
02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:40,159
there exceptions for tow trucks.

3443
02:10:40,159 --> 02:10:44,560
>> Yep. So, I'll skip right to that.

3444
02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:46,719
So, this would just this would this does

3445
02:10:46,719 --> 02:10:48,480
two things. The primary action that

3446
02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:50,719
you'll be taking if you adopt this is to

3447
02:10:50,719 --> 02:10:54,800
basically say the code as it is stands

3448
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:57,199
except tow trucks. So we were going to

3449
02:10:57,199 --> 02:10:58,800
continue to prohibit heavy commercial

3450
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:02,239
vehicles on residential parcels below

3451
02:11:02,239 --> 02:11:05,199
above a certain weight rating except if

3452
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:08,079
you're a tow truck.

3453
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:10,800
That's that's the only

3454
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:12,320
>> and it's actually even more restricted

3455
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:14,320
than that unless you're a tow truck that

3456
02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:18,000
has a contract for us to be on list

3457
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:19,840
>> with us or with any government

3458
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:22,719
>> with any government entity and I spoke

3459
02:11:22,719 --> 02:11:25,040
with the code enforcement about that and

3460
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:27,520
they say and Sandy can speak to this uh

3461
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:29,920
they would prefer to keep it as any any

3462
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:32,079
government entity and it's it's easy

3463
02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:34,239
enough to to verify that because of the

3464
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:36,320
way that the trucks have to be marked

3465
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:38,639
and you can easily verify if they're on

3466
02:11:38,639 --> 02:11:40,960
another government agency's list.

3467
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:42,800
>> I mean, obviously this isn't happening a

3468
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:44,560
lot, but who would technically be

3469
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:46,000
responsible to enforce this? Is it

3470
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:48,639
Sandy's group or is it enforcement?

3471
02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:50,079
>> It's code it would be code enforcement.

3472
02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:52,320
>> She's Oh. Oh. S Oh, you do both know.

3473
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:52,960
>> I both know.

3474
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:54,480
>> Yes. Yeah. I got

3475
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:56,400
>> Yeah. Okay. So, it's not What I was

3476
02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:57,760
asking actually is it parking or is it

3477
02:11:57,760 --> 02:11:58,880
zoning enforcement?

3478
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:00,320
>> It would be code enforcement because

3479
02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:00,719
it's

3480
02:12:00,719 --> 02:12:02,000
>> Okay, it's code enforcement. It's not a

3481
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:03,760
parking. Okay.

3482
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:06,880
>> Um, councelor Christensen.

3483
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:08,639
Um,

3484
02:12:08,639 --> 02:12:10,960
I'm sorry. I'm I'm not tracking.

3485
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:12,239
>> Okay.

3486
02:12:12,239 --> 02:12:15,520
>> This This is such a minuscule

3487
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:17,520
impact.

3488
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:20,079
Am I missing something?

3489
02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:22,320
>> I was asking. So, I'm just thinking

3490
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:24,320
about all the time spent to get to this

3491
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:25,119
point

3492
02:12:25,119 --> 02:12:28,000
>> that you've spent. I

3493
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:31,679
>> I must be missing a slide.

3494
02:12:31,679 --> 02:12:34,000
>> I'm not saying it's you. I'm just saying

3495
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:35,920
>> why are we spending time on this?

3496
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:38,159
>> Residents reached out to us and I

3497
02:12:38,159 --> 02:12:39,760
sponsored it and Becky did.

3498
02:12:39,760 --> 02:12:43,599
>> Okay. It it just seems to be such a

3499
02:12:43,599 --> 02:12:46,719
minuscule issue that I I don't I don't

3500
02:12:46,719 --> 02:12:50,880
think it's worth the uh the cycles.

3501
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:51,840
>> Sure.

3502
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:52,159
>> Council.

3503
02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:53,520
>> Well, all the work's been done now. Now

3504
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:54,639
you just got to vote on it.

3505
02:12:54,639 --> 02:12:56,159
>> You for sure.

3506
02:12:56,159 --> 02:12:59,599
>> Yeah. I I I'm in the same boat with with

3507
02:12:59,599 --> 02:13:02,960
Craig right now on this one. And I I

3508
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:07,199
will note that just um a couple blocks

3509
02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:09,280
down on my street is one of the little

3510
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:11,920
towy yards. And so we frequently have

3511
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:14,800
these trucks and and everything there.

3512
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:18,000
And it is a significant issue in the

3513
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:20,239
neighborhood to have these big trucks

3514
02:13:20,239 --> 02:13:22,320
moving through it. And if you're

3515
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:25,440
allowing, you know, a resident to bring

3516
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:27,199
that truck through the neighborhood

3517
02:13:27,199 --> 02:13:29,840
regularly and onto their property,

3518
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:32,079
you're going to complete create problems

3519
02:13:32,079 --> 02:13:33,760
with those neighbors.

3520
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:37,520
>> And I don't like that this

3521
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:41,440
tailor the law to favor a very small

3522
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:44,000
subset as, you know, a certain kind of

3523
02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:46,880
business. when we know there are other

3524
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:49,199
businesses that operate in Provo for the

3525
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:50,800
good of the city although not with a

3526
02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:53,280
government contract either with the food

3527
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:55,119
trucks or you know your trailers for

3528
02:13:55,119 --> 02:13:56,639
your audiovisisual equipment and things

3529
02:13:56,639 --> 02:13:58,960
like that where they are not allowed to

3530
02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:00,719
park those large things on their

3531
02:14:00,719 --> 02:14:03,360
property and when we had looked at those

3532
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:06,000
before the

3533
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:08,239
safety justifications that we had for

3534
02:14:08,239 --> 02:14:11,040
exercising that power as a a government

3535
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:12,880
was you know sightelines if you've got

3536
02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:14,880
this in your driveway then you can't see

3537
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:16,159
somebody on the sidewalk, you're

3538
02:14:16,159 --> 02:14:18,400
creating a dangerous condition

3539
02:14:18,400 --> 02:14:20,800
potentially by parking a big thing on

3540
02:14:20,800 --> 02:14:27,199
your own property. And I I don't see

3541
02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:30,960
changing that requirement for this type

3542
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:33,040
of vehicle if we're keeping it for the

3543
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:37,119
others. Now, if we decide that you

3544
02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:38,560
should be able to park whatever you want

3545
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:41,199
on your own property, which I think is

3546
02:14:41,199 --> 02:14:43,679
also a defensible position, then I would

3547
02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:45,599
be in favor of of removing those

3548
02:14:45,599 --> 02:14:47,520
restrictions entirely, but not just for

3549
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:49,360
this very small subset.

3550
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:51,520
>> That that doesn't

3551
02:14:51,520 --> 02:14:54,480
feel fair to me and it doesn't doesn't

3552
02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:55,679
make sense of those safety

3553
02:14:55,679 --> 02:14:57,280
justifications.

3554
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:59,840
Um, the other thing that I will note is

3555
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:02,320
I'm I like the idea of reducing the

3556
02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:05,599
gross vehicle weight because those can

3557
02:15:05,599 --> 02:15:07,599
be a problem on our residential streets.

3558
02:15:07,599 --> 02:15:11,360
They add additional wear and tear. Um,

3559
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:15,040
but if we are are encouraging people to

3560
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:17,119
bring those heavy vehicles onto their

3561
02:15:17,119 --> 02:15:19,360
residential streets, I think we're we're

3562
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:21,679
creating a cost for the city. I know one

3563
02:15:21,679 --> 02:15:24,480
of my neighbors has a very heavy truck

3564
02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:29,360
and he drove it through our little alley

3565
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:32,560
after a period of wetness and rubble

3566
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:34,480
substantial damage

3567
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:36,320
>> to the alley which the city is not going

3568
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:37,360
to repair

3569
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:38,639
>> and we're going to have to raise money

3570
02:15:38,639 --> 02:15:41,679
to repair that ourselves. But I've seen

3571
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:44,639
>> the cost of these big things in our

3572
02:15:44,639 --> 02:15:49,280
little residential areas. So I

3573
02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:53,199
I'm not supportive and another this how

3574
02:15:53,199 --> 02:15:55,760
many people it actually affects.

3575
02:15:55,760 --> 02:15:57,920
I I just I don't see it.

3576
02:15:57,920 --> 02:15:59,920
>> Okay. Well, can we hear from you Sandy

3577
02:15:59,920 --> 02:16:02,880
your opinion on this?

3578
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:04,560
>> Well, now I'm I'm new to the code

3579
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:06,480
enforcement. code enforcement. I think

3580
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:10,400
this started um because we did site a

3581
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:13,599
tow truck that was in on their property

3582
02:16:13,599 --> 02:16:15,199
and it's just kind of brought up the

3583
02:16:15,199 --> 02:16:18,159
question, do they need those tow trucks

3584
02:16:18,159 --> 02:16:21,280
for this 15 minutes? But again, as we

3585
02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:23,599
were looking,

3586
02:16:23,599 --> 02:16:28,239
we've only done one in a year. So that's kind of what I'm weighing on.

3587
02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:30,880
Now, as far as parking enforcement, this

3588
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:33,920
1,800, we enforce that. You've seen the

3589
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:35,519
citations that we're doing it on the

3590
02:16:35,519 --> 02:16:38,000
street because of what you said. It

3591
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:43,439
loves residential the streets areas. So

3592
02:16:43,439 --> 02:16:47,280
I and I was one and I will Ter and I

3593
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:49,840
spoke and I I did recommend that we kept

3594
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:52,719
it at 1,800 across the board.

3595
02:16:52,719 --> 02:16:54,160
>> Sure. To make it beautiful.

3596
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:55,760
>> Yeah.

3597
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:58,719
>> We changed it to um we we changed it

3598
02:16:58,719 --> 02:17:01,920
down to the lower rated.

3599
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:04,639
>> Yeah. So, I'll also just give context to

3600
02:17:04,639 --> 02:17:07,200
that. So, I talked with Vern when I was

3601
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:08,960
looking at what we're going to keep as

3602
02:17:08,960 --> 02:17:10,479
the standard regardless of the tow

3603
02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:12,559
trucks. He just pointed out that the way

3604
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:14,719
this weigh 1 and a2 tons more license

3605
02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:16,559
18,000 lbs for us. That's kind of an

3606
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:18,479
outdated way. It was his words to

3607
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:22,000
describe a truck of that nature. So, we

3608
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:24,960
after we talked over it, his idea is

3609
02:17:24,960 --> 02:17:26,880
that that definition across the board

3610
02:17:26,880 --> 02:17:28,160
throughout code will need to be changed

3611
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:31,599
at some point. The 14,000 lb weight

3612
02:17:31,599 --> 02:17:34,000
rating is the upper limit of the Federal

3613
02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:36,319
Highway Administration's class 3 medium

3614
02:17:36,319 --> 02:17:38,559
truck. It's basically the upper limit of

3615
02:17:38,559 --> 02:17:40,319
most heavy trucks that a person would

3616
02:17:40,319 --> 02:17:42,800
own as a private citizen. So that's why

3617
02:17:42,800 --> 02:17:45,840
that number was selected to replace the

3618
02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:47,439
current language.

3619
02:17:47,439 --> 02:17:50,160
>> I'm not I'm not married to this like I

3620
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:53,519
see both sides too. And I also, you

3621
02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:54,880
know, a citizen came and was, you know,

3622
02:17:54,880 --> 02:17:56,880
it's their livelihood and these the

3623
02:17:56,880 --> 02:17:59,280
things and so but there's also the

3624
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:02,880
reality of the sight of line and the

3625
02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:05,840
safety and the nuisance and yeah,

3626
02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:08,080
>> it is just one that we know of like the

3627
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:09,679
number knowing the stats on you know

3628
02:18:09,679 --> 02:18:11,359
what's been ticketed is a you know very

3629
02:18:11,359 --> 02:18:12,000
relevant.

3630
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:12,639
>> Yeah.

3631
02:18:12,639 --> 02:18:14,319
>> Um

3632
02:18:14,319 --> 02:18:16,080
would we just want to include the if

3633
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:17,760
there's unless someone wants to take a

3634
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:18,960
vote on it. I don't know what you think

3635
02:18:18,960 --> 02:18:22,639
Becky. I could go either way really, but

3636
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:24,800
the Do we want to add the 14,000 to the

3637
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:27,439
code rewrite and just clue that in that?

3638
02:18:27,439 --> 02:18:29,760
>> That might be uh if you're if you're

3639
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:31,040
looking for uniformity, that would

3640
02:18:31,040 --> 02:18:33,840
certainly be the the better way.

3641
02:18:33,840 --> 02:18:37,280
>> What do you think, Becky?

3642
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:39,120
Um,

3643
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:41,359
I did start thinking about worrying like

3644
02:18:41,359 --> 02:18:43,359
the unevenness, the unfairness of it,

3645
02:18:43,359 --> 02:18:45,679
you know, like why that,

3646
02:18:45,679 --> 02:18:48,880
>> you know, I I did put it out and I got

3647
02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:51,920
two responses because for me, I grew up

3648
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:54,800
in a transportation company family, big

3649
02:18:54,800 --> 02:18:56,479
semis.

3650
02:18:56,479 --> 02:19:00,399
We never parked our trucks at the house

3651
02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:05,040
ever. However, my small street gets

3652
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:07,679
buses all the time just and diesel

3653
02:19:07,679 --> 02:19:10,319
trucks all the time.

3654
02:19:10,319 --> 02:19:12,719
We have heavy public works equipment

3655
02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:14,960
that goes down all the time. And my

3656
02:19:14,960 --> 02:19:17,120
street is very quiet.

3657
02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:20,070
So, [sighs]

3658
02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:23,359
um, to me, and it doesn't it would

3659
02:19:23,359 --> 02:19:26,399
affect this guy and his livelihood, but

3660
02:19:26,399 --> 02:19:29,359
he's not the owner of that. I mean, to

3661
02:19:29,359 --> 02:19:29,679
me,

3662
02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:31,599
>> the company owner, needs to be

3663
02:19:31,599 --> 02:19:34,559
responsible to have something within 15

3664
02:19:34,559 --> 02:19:38,479
minutes that the guy can go pick up and go around because that's the way

3665
02:19:38,479 --> 02:19:40,080
that we run our company.

3666
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:43,040
>> However, I don't like it on the street.

3667
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:45,359
I mean, there's even heartburn with when

3668
02:19:45,359 --> 02:19:46,880
public works does stuff with their own

3669
02:19:46,880 --> 02:19:48,240
equipment and they park it there for a

3670
02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:50,000
month and you've got a loader or a backo

3671
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:50,800
or,

3672
02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:52,880
>> you know, and and it it causes problems

3673
02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:54,960
with little kids dark. No, you can't see

3674
02:19:54,960 --> 02:19:55,600
that.

3675
02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:57,359
>> And so, that causes a lot of heartburn.

3676
02:19:57,359 --> 02:19:59,760
I've seen that over the years. Um, so

3677
02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:01,120
that's why I was like, not on the

3678
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:02,560
street. If this is going to happen, it's

3679
02:20:02,560 --> 02:20:04,240
got to happen in dude's driveway.

3680
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:04,640
>> Yeah.

3681
02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:09,590
>> Or chicks driveway. So, um,

3682
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:11,280
I

3683
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:13,120
like I said, I And then when they talked

3684
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:14,399
about the fairness, I'm like, let's just

3685
02:20:14,399 --> 02:20:15,760
bring this to council and just have this

3686
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:16,399
conversation.

3687
02:20:16,399 --> 02:20:17,040
>> Yeah.

3688
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:19,520
>> Because I don't really

3689
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:21,200
>> Yeah.

3690
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:24,707
>> I'm not married to it either.

3691
02:20:24,707 --> 02:20:25,840
[clears throat]

3692
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:27,680
>> Sorry. No, it's okay.

3693
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:30,000
>> Yeah, I I I think there's a good private

3694
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:31,920
property rights argument if you could

3695
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:33,760
deal with the sight lines and and you

3696
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:35,120
know, parking away from the sidewalk

3697
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:37,040
through other reg.

3698
02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:38,880
>> Correct. Yeah. Exactly. To just say, you

3699
02:20:38,880 --> 02:20:40,640
know, if you're below this weight and

3700
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:42,479
you're respecting the sight lines for

3701
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:43,920
safety, then park whatever kind of

3702
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:45,120
vehicle you want. I think that's a

3703
02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:47,280
reasonable approach or what we have is a

3704
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:48,880
reasonable approach. I I agree with

3705
02:20:48,880 --> 02:20:50,479
councelor W that I don't love like the

3706
02:20:50,479 --> 02:20:52,319
one you could make a similar argu if we

3707
02:20:52,319 --> 02:20:54,800
put Tanner on any individual business he

3708
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:56,399
can make a similar argument for why we

3709
02:20:56,399 --> 02:20:59,200
should create a carbon

3710
02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:01,040
>> but two it's kind of a rub that there's

3711
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:03,840
only three cities that have this

3712
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:06,960
restriction right us or American port no

3713
02:21:06,960 --> 02:21:08,880
one else cares

3714
02:21:08,880 --> 02:21:11,120
>> and so maybe that goes I do know

3715
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:13,040
citizens like citizens do care when

3716
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:16,080
people have these huge boats and buses

3717
02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:18,160
and RV like all these things that isn't

3718
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:19,200
it you know we've been through this

3719
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:21,520
already when was it Rachel like three

3720
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:22,960
years ago it was

3721
02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:24,080
>> well I was on the planning commission

3722
02:21:24,080 --> 02:21:25,520
when we saw one and it but it's

3723
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:26,880
oftentimes when they're parked on this

3724
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:28,160
tree that they become the biggest

3725
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:29,600
>> it's even in the driveway they think

3726
02:21:29,600 --> 02:21:30,960
that the sidewalks they're always over

3727
02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:32,800
there you know we

3728
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:34,399
>> Yeah I I agree with that I think but

3729
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:37,439
like I think if again if it's like 100%

3730
02:21:37,439 --> 02:21:38,960
on their property that's different than

3731
02:21:38,960 --> 02:21:40,000
if they're like

3732
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:41,200
>> yeah we did it so they can go in the

3733
02:21:41,200 --> 02:21:42,960
back so it's not there's a visual aspect

3734
02:21:42,960 --> 02:21:45,359
there's a neighborhood name should we

3735
02:21:45,359 --> 02:21:48,399
just change the 14,000 in the code.

3736
02:21:48,399 --> 02:21:48,880
>> Yeah.

3737
02:21:48,880 --> 02:21:50,560
>> Are you okay with 14,000 S here or does

3738
02:21:50,560 --> 02:21:51,920
it need to be 18,000?

3739
02:21:51,920 --> 02:21:53,439
>> No.

3740
02:21:53,439 --> 02:21:55,520
14,000 would be great.

3741
02:21:55,520 --> 02:21:58,080
>> Yes. What are you saying 18,000?

3742
02:21:58,080 --> 02:22:00,399
>> That's what it used to be.

3743
02:22:00,399 --> 02:22:04,160
>> No. No. No. She said when we had the

3744
02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:07,840
18,000 for 30 years anyway. Um, see for

3745
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:09,760
school buses or anything like that,

3746
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:14,720
we've used that when they've parked in the street. Plus, if you read the

3747
02:22:14,720 --> 02:22:17,359
9.32090

3748
02:22:17,359 --> 02:22:18,960
for these bigger vehicles, they're

3749
02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:23,200
required to be 30 feet back from all um

3750
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:26,800
driveways, streets, intersections such

3751
02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:29,120
as that where a regular vehicle is only

3752
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:31,840
required to be 20 feet. So, that kind of

3753
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:33,520
keeps these big vehicles off of the

3754
02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:35,120
street in the residential areas. There's

3755
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:37,600
just nowhere for them to park.

3756
02:22:37,600 --> 02:22:40,560
So, but I think the 1400 is a great

3757
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:42,080
compromise.

3758
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:42,880
14,000.

3759
02:22:42,880 --> 02:22:46,160
>> 14,000. Thank you.

3760
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:47,920
Smaller bet. [laughter] My point is

3761
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:49,840
you're not going to see a lot of IRA

3762
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:51,439
18,000

3763
02:22:51,439 --> 02:22:54,640
people going okay now. No, I'm not. No,

3764
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:55,439
I'm not okay.

3765
02:22:55,439 --> 02:22:58,000
>> I I No, I do not think there will be any

3766
02:22:58,000 --> 02:22:59,760
push back on it. Um I could be

3767
02:22:59,760 --> 02:23:03,040
surprised, but I do not foresee any.

3768
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:05,120
So my question is does it make sense to

3769
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:07,040
make that change for this part of the

3770
02:23:07,040 --> 02:23:08,800
code now or should we just give

3771
02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:12,000
instruction to part of the whole code

3772
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:14,319
rewrite so that we don't have

3773
02:23:14,319 --> 02:23:17,520
inconsistency within the code?

3774
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:19,200
>> I really appreciate that.

3775
02:23:19,200 --> 02:23:21,280
>> All right. I I can take responsibility

3776
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:22,960
for letting Vern know and letting Aaron

3777
02:23:22,960 --> 02:23:24,560
know. And then Brian's of course here.

3778
02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:24,960
So

3779
02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:28,764
>> you have to do a nice fun control F.

3780
02:23:28,764 --> 02:23:30,240
[laughter]

3781
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:33,840
>> Okay. Thanks Kevin. Okay,

3782
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:34,479
thank you.

3783
02:23:34,479 --> 02:23:37,439
>> All right, next. It is next. A break.

3784
02:23:37,439 --> 02:23:38,479
Going to take a break.

3785
02:23:38,479 --> 02:23:41,280
>> Oh, hi.

3786
02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:44,160
>> We'll just do five minutes.

3787
02:23:44,160 --> 02:23:44,640
>> All right.

3788
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:46,240
>> Reporting in progress.

3789
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:49,200
>> All right. Two more items. Um, a

3790
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:51,040
discussion regarding proposed amendments

3791
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:54,080
to Pro City Code section 1437050

3792
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:55,600
relate to parking requirement

3793
02:23:55,600 --> 02:23:57,439
reductions. This will be presented by

3794
02:23:57,439 --> 02:23:59,439
Tanner Tuchi, our council policy

3795
02:23:59,439 --> 02:24:02,080
analyst. That's three in a row. Yep.

3796
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:02,800
>> He's on a roll.

3797
02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:04,319
>> It's my thing.

3798
02:24:04,319 --> 02:24:05,760
>> All right. So, I'm just going to put up

3799
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:08,000
the

3800
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:11,439
exhibit here. This item comes in

3801
02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:15,280
response not from an issue item, but in

3802
02:24:15,280 --> 02:24:18,479
the discussion that was part of the June

3803
02:24:18,479 --> 02:24:21,680
23rd work meeting around the proposal to

3804
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:24,960
amend uh parking requirements in the

3805
02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:28,160
city. So that item did not move forward

3806
02:24:28,160 --> 02:24:31,200
to a council night meeting as it was

3807
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:33,840
proposed. However, there was talk of a

3808
02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:35,840
you know discussion or and at one point

3809
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:37,600
there was a motion to address some of

3810
02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:40,000
the concerns presented in the work

3811
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:41,520
meeting and to come back with an

3812
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:45,840
amendment that would not affect parking

3813
02:24:45,840 --> 02:24:48,000
standards but rather shift the

3814
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:49,920
responsibility of granting a reduction

3815
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:52,960
from the planning commission to the

3816
02:24:52,960 --> 02:24:56,479
council. So that is what the I have

3817
02:24:56,479 --> 02:24:59,200
prepared to discuss today and just to

3818
02:24:59,200 --> 02:25:01,520
clarify I don't have any information and

3819
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:04,160
part of this analysis was not answering

3820
02:25:04,160 --> 02:25:06,800
the question of like do the impact of

3821
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:11,439
student cars or does urban planning

3822
02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:13,920
impact uh resident lifestyle. I don't

3823
02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:15,120
have research on that but that's

3824
02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:16,960
certainly something I could pursue as a

3825
02:25:16,960 --> 02:25:19,120
literature review. This is just talking

3826
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:23,600
about the impact of the language you see

3827
02:25:23,600 --> 02:25:25,280
up here. So as a little bit of

3828
02:25:25,280 --> 02:25:26,800
background for what we discussed in the

3829
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:29,200
June 23rd work meeting, there was a

3830
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:32,880
proposal about planning um or sorry

3831
02:25:32,880 --> 02:25:35,120
about parking reductions and there was a

3832
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:37,200
motion made to shift that authority like

3833
02:25:37,200 --> 02:25:39,680
I said from granting a proposal. So

3834
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:41,600
taking the required number of parking

3835
02:25:41,600 --> 02:25:43,760
spaces and then saying that a developer

3836
02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:46,240
can do a lower amount. That power

3837
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:47,760
currently resides with the planning

3838
02:25:47,760 --> 02:25:50,560
commission. The motion at one point in

3839
02:25:50,560 --> 02:25:52,560
the meeting was to shift that power to

3840
02:25:52,560 --> 02:25:54,880
the council. So what effectively it

3841
02:25:54,880 --> 02:25:58,720
does, Kevin, if you could scroll down.

3842
02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:00,479
There are currently two methods that the

3843
02:26:00,479 --> 02:26:03,200
planning commission could use to justify

3844
02:26:03,200 --> 02:26:06,399
a right there a reduction. The first is

3845
02:26:06,399 --> 02:26:10,640
in this paragraph two in the code. is uh

3846
02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:12,720
to create basically a plan that would

3847
02:26:12,720 --> 02:26:14,800
reduce parking requirements after a

3848
02:26:14,800 --> 02:26:17,600
parking study is done. So if there's

3849
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:20,319
evidence from a study that says that few

3850
02:26:20,319 --> 02:26:22,399
less fewer parking spaces are needed and

3851
02:26:22,399 --> 02:26:24,160
they come up with a plan to mitigate any

3852
02:26:24,160 --> 02:26:26,880
demand for parking then they can get a

3853
02:26:26,880 --> 02:26:28,479
reduction. The second option that the

3854
02:26:28,479 --> 02:26:30,800
planning commission can pursue or that

3855
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:33,280
the developer could pursue when asking

3856
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:35,200
the planning commission for a reduction

3857
02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:37,200
in parking requirements. It's in number

3858
02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:38,960
three. Keep going down.

3859
02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:41,840
>> Yep. Right above the table

3860
02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:44,319
on page three. Yeah. Up here. This is

3861
02:26:44,319 --> 02:26:47,439
number three. They could uh

3862
02:26:47,439 --> 02:26:49,600
institute like a bike parking program.

3863
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:51,040
So long-term and short-term bike

3864
02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:53,760
parking. So, what this proposal would do

3865
02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:57,200
would be to remove those as options,

3866
02:26:57,200 --> 02:27:00,080
leaving the only way to hypothetically

3867
02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:02,160
get a reduction in the required number

3868
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:04,319
of parking spaces that need to get built

3869
02:27:04,319 --> 02:27:06,080
is to go to the council during the

3870
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:09,040
zoning process and ask for some

3871
02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:11,520
adjustments in the zone either as a text

3872
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:14,479
amendment, as a new zone, or as an

3873
02:27:14,479 --> 02:27:18,720
overlay that's created. So, that is what

3874
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:20,479
this proposal will do. It takes the

3875
02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:22,240
power away from the planning commission,

3876
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:24,560
gives it to the council, and Kevin, if

3877
02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:25,520
you can scroll all the way back up to

3878
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:29,910
the blue text at the top.

3879
02:27:29,920 --> 02:27:31,600
The language that we're considering as

3880
02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:33,600
an amendment to the previous proposal

3881
02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:36,800
would be this blue language here ensures

3882
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:38,319
that the agreements that we've already

3883
02:27:38,319 --> 02:27:41,040
entered into with people who have

3884
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:44,479
received a reduction will stay in place

3885
02:27:44,479 --> 02:27:46,880
after this change is made. So, it will

3886
02:27:46,880 --> 02:27:49,120
keep those legal agreements that they

3887
02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:50,640
have to continue the programs that they

3888
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:52,160
do to try to mitigate the demand for

3889
02:27:52,160 --> 02:27:55,359
parking going uh in the future and that

3890
02:27:55,359 --> 02:27:57,280
doesn't go away.

3891
02:27:57,280 --> 02:27:58,880
Currently, there are only there have

3892
02:27:58,880 --> 02:28:01,600
only been eight TDMs approved that those

3893
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:03,200
are the plans that allow the planning

3894
02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:04,399
commission to to lower parking

3895
02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:05,520
requirements. There have only been eight

3896
02:28:05,520 --> 02:28:08,000
approved. There are only six that are

3897
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:10,720
active at [snorts] the moment.

3898
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:14,319
most of them have parking that is above

3899
02:28:14,319 --> 02:28:17,840
90% of the required amount.

3900
02:28:17,840 --> 02:28:19,439
So that is that is everything that this

3901
02:28:19,439 --> 02:28:23,439
does. Um in my memo I mentioned that

3902
02:28:23,439 --> 02:28:25,359
there is of the mayor council cities

3903
02:28:25,359 --> 02:28:28,479
that I talked to only one has eliminated

3904
02:28:28,479 --> 02:28:30,800
or does not have I should say an

3905
02:28:30,800 --> 02:28:33,840
administrative way to lower their uh

3906
02:28:33,840 --> 02:28:35,280
parking requirements and we would be

3907
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:37,760
joining them.

3908
02:28:37,760 --> 02:28:38,720
>> Which city was that?

3909
02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:41,439
>> It was Austin. audit.

3910
02:28:41,439 --> 02:28:44,000
>> There is no administrative means.

3911
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:47,040
>> I just wanted to clarify one thing. Um,

3912
02:28:47,040 --> 02:28:50,790
which anyway [clears throat]

3913
02:28:50,800 --> 02:28:52,640
Tanner said a minute ago that this

3914
02:28:52,640 --> 02:28:55,120
proposal removes the authority from the

3915
02:28:55,120 --> 02:28:56,479
planning commission and gives it to the

3916
02:28:56,479 --> 02:28:58,960
council. That's accurate, but I want to

3917
02:28:58,960 --> 02:29:00,640
clarify exactly what that means. It

3918
02:29:00,640 --> 02:29:02,800
doesn't give it to the council in any

3919
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:05,040
proactive sense where the council has a

3920
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:07,760
methodology to reach out and change

3921
02:29:07,760 --> 02:29:10,479
parking. It's just inherent in the

3922
02:29:10,479 --> 02:29:12,160
council's policy in passing new laws

3923
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:15,120
that if somebody applies for a new law

3924
02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:16,560
that would give them different parking

3925
02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:19,520
standards than the law currently has, it

3926
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:20,960
would be in your authority to propose

3927
02:29:20,960 --> 02:29:24,319
that. But any kind of anything more

3928
02:29:24,319 --> 02:29:26,720
proactive than that would require

3929
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:28,640
additional steps beyond what this does

3930
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:30,640
like the creation of an overlay zone or

3931
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:31,040
something like that.

3932
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:33,040
>> Yeah. So there's there's no formal

3933
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:34,479
mechanism anymore in the code,

3934
02:29:34,479 --> 02:29:36,080
>> right? This just removes the formal

3935
02:29:36,080 --> 02:29:36,800
mechanism.

3936
02:29:36,800 --> 02:29:39,040
>> Yeah. So a developer would have to abide

3937
02:29:39,040 --> 02:29:41,200
by the statutory parking standards in

3938
02:29:41,200 --> 02:29:44,720
1437 and if they really needed one, they

3939
02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:46,000
would have to approach a counselor and

3940
02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:47,520
we'd have to pursue some other form like

3941
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:49,439
Ryan mentioned. Now, at the same time,

3942
02:29:49,439 --> 02:29:52,000
staff is working on looking at policy

3943
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:53,600
where they wouldn't have to have the

3944
02:29:53,600 --> 02:29:55,920
parking on their exact lot as is

3945
02:29:55,920 --> 02:29:57,920
currently required, but they could

3946
02:29:57,920 --> 02:29:59,520
>> have it on another somewhere else. We

3947
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:01,200
are working on something about that. And

3948
02:30:01,200 --> 02:30:04,000
we're also working on

3949
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:06,479
oh, an overlay type zone so that when a

3950
02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:08,160
project does come to us that we think is

3951
02:30:08,160 --> 02:30:09,680
worthy of a parking reduction that

3952
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:12,399
there's an overlay zone to use. Correct,

3953
02:30:12,399 --> 02:30:13,920
Bill?

3954
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:17,520
>> We can do the overlay zone route. We can

3955
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:19,200
also you can also do it by development

3956
02:30:19,200 --> 02:30:20,399
agreement. That's

3957
02:30:20,399 --> 02:30:22,880
>> yeah. So either yeah so either way

3958
02:30:22,880 --> 02:30:26,880
whatever is best on that. So there is

3959
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:28,240
>> my heartburn with the development

3960
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:30,880
agreement though is it ends with the

3961
02:30:30,880 --> 02:30:33,760
certificate of occupancy. Right.

3962
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:35,600
>> It does. We'd have to come up with a new

3963
02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:37,760
method similar to I I think we could

3964
02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:39,359
work around it but I think there are

3965
02:30:39,359 --> 02:30:41,359
some balancing tests about which method

3966
02:30:41,359 --> 02:30:45,760
is is better. The overlay zone is more

3967
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:48,640
up work is more work upfront

3968
02:30:48,640 --> 02:30:52,640
um uh but probably more durable. The

3969
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:54,880
development agreement way would have to

3970
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:56,479
do something similar to what we've done

3971
02:30:56,479 --> 02:30:59,840
with uh the forale housing and and the

3972
02:30:59,840 --> 02:31:01,120
development agreement itself would have

3973
02:31:01,120 --> 02:31:03,439
to require recording of deed

3974
02:31:03,439 --> 02:31:05,200
restrictions that would continue after

3975
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:07,840
the development agreement itself.

3976
02:31:07,840 --> 02:31:09,920
I I I'm just more concerned about them

3977
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:11,439
getting the zone and then turning around

3978
02:31:11,439 --> 02:31:14,160
in 20 years and having a mess because

3979
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:15,520
now now they don't have to go before the

3980
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:16,160
council,

3981
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:18,080
>> right? Yeah. That's always been for I

3982
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:19,760
mean, you know, for 15 years, that's

3983
02:31:19,760 --> 02:31:21,439
always been one of my concerns about

3984
02:31:21,439 --> 02:31:23,040
development agreements is that they rely

3985
02:31:23,040 --> 02:31:25,600
on institutional knowledge that doesn't

3986
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:28,880
always stay in place. We we we enter

3987
02:31:28,880 --> 02:31:30,240
into them and then we forget that we

3988
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:33,600
have them unlike the code.

3989
02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:36,399
So,

3990
02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:38,240
>> so your proposal to address that would

3991
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:39,520
be

3992
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:41,680
>> Well, I I think that's up to the council

3993
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:43,760
to make a policy decision about I think

3994
02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:46,640
the two competing alternatives are well,

3995
02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:48,240
there's three competing alternatives.

3996
02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:50,720
One alternative is just don't do

3997
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:53,760
anything and wait for somebody to say I

3998
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:56,080
and and either say we're never granting

3999
02:31:56,080 --> 02:31:58,720
parking exceptions or wait for somebody

4000
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:00,640
to come to you with a specific proposal

4001
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:03,760
about how uh they why they need a

4002
02:32:03,760 --> 02:32:05,200
parking exception and you need to fix

4003
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:09,200
it. And the other two are uh competing

4004
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:12,240
alternatives of develop overlay zones or

4005
02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:13,840
handle by development agreement. I think

4006
02:32:13,840 --> 02:32:15,600
there's pros and cons to the two that we

4007
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:17,200
can we could do a separate presentation

4008
02:32:17,200 --> 02:32:19,200
on once the council's ready to decide.

4009
02:32:19,200 --> 02:32:20,640
>> Yes. And let's say that we went the

4010
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:22,720
development agreement route. You

4011
02:32:22,720 --> 02:32:25,280
expressed concern about how do you make

4012
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:27,200
those stick beyond institutional

4013
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:28,560
knowledge.

4014
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:30,160
>> That's where the deed restrictions go.

4015
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:32,640
But again, deed restrictions even then

4016
02:32:32,640 --> 02:32:33,280
>> institution

4017
02:32:33,280 --> 02:32:34,720
>> we're going to forget that those exist

4018
02:32:34,720 --> 02:32:37,200
until somebody complains and has a

4019
02:32:37,200 --> 02:32:39,680
problem and we do a title search to find

4020
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:41,120
the deed restriction. But Bill has a

4021
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:43,120
comment. So, you started by saying we're

4022
02:32:43,120 --> 02:32:43,920
going to have to wait till somebody

4023
02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:46,240
makes proposal. That wait's not going to

4024
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:48,560
be very long because our pause is going

4025
02:32:48,560 --> 02:32:50,479
to be coming in any day now. In fact, I

4026
02:32:50,479 --> 02:32:51,840
expect that they're submitted last week

4027
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:53,760
and it didn't come in, but they'll

4028
02:32:53,760 --> 02:32:55,520
submit any day now when they're going to

4029
02:32:55,520 --> 02:32:57,760
ask through the development agreement if

4030
02:32:57,760 --> 02:33:00,319
the council's comfortable with that line

4031
02:33:00,319 --> 02:33:02,000
of thought. I would suggest not only a

4032
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:04,560
deed restriction, but we put on their

4033
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:08,160
recorded plat language about parking and

4034
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:10,640
about these restrictions. So that's very

4035
02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:14,720
easy to find and very readily available.

4036
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:17,040
>> Great idea.

4037
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:17,840
>> Okay.

4038
02:33:17,840 --> 02:33:20,640
>> Yeah. Yeah. So my I felt like my

4039
02:33:20,640 --> 02:33:22,560
obligation here was just to explain what

4040
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:24,960
the motion does, not necessarily to do

4041
02:33:24,960 --> 02:33:26,399
the to do a lot of background

4042
02:33:26,399 --> 02:33:28,160
information like the other ones. But so

4043
02:33:28,160 --> 02:33:29,840
as long as you all understand, I think

4044
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:31,120
we would need a motion because this is

4045
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:33,200
an amendment to the actual proposal.

4046
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:34,399
>> Councelor Bogda.

4047
02:33:34,399 --> 02:33:36,160
>> Okay. So I make a motion that we take

4048
02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:38,800
this to a night meeting.

4049
02:33:38,800 --> 02:33:41,200
>> Okay. I second that.

4050
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:44,319
>> All right. Any discussion on the motion?

4051
02:33:44,319 --> 02:33:47,040
>> I just council question on this

4052
02:33:47,040 --> 02:33:53,280
generally. Um I'm not comfortable with with these

4053
02:33:53,280 --> 02:33:58,000
changes. Um part of my questions are

4054
02:33:58,000 --> 02:34:00,720
both about current enforcement and and

4055
02:34:00,720 --> 02:34:02,000
the legal things. So I understand that

4056
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:03,680
we've got language to try to preserve

4057
02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:06,800
the TDMs, but we are cutting out the

4058
02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:11,600
language for subsection 2EA

4059
02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:14,399
where it's talking about, you know, the

4060
02:34:14,399 --> 02:34:17,600
annual um inspection to make sure that

4061
02:34:17,600 --> 02:34:19,680
they're compliant with the TA like how

4062
02:34:19,680 --> 02:34:21,760
we are continuing to administer the

4063
02:34:21,760 --> 02:34:24,720
program. That information

4064
02:34:24,720 --> 02:34:30,880
we're cutting out and so I'm I don't I'm a little bit worried about that. So

4065
02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:32,479
this monitoring of the parking lot

4066
02:34:32,479 --> 02:34:35,439
adequacy on least an annual basis and

4067
02:34:35,439 --> 02:34:42,240
then the mitigation measures because I I do

4068
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:45,040
like to have

4069
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:47,280
more specific language about our

4070
02:34:47,280 --> 02:34:49,439
obligation to make sure that they are

4071
02:34:49,439 --> 02:34:52,560
following the TDI and then what the

4072
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:56,080
remedies are for that. So I'm

4073
02:34:56,080 --> 02:35:00,479
>> I'm add that back in or TDM sorry. Um,

4074
02:35:00,479 --> 02:35:03,439
so I I'm still uncomfortable with how

4075
02:35:03,439 --> 02:35:05,760
much of this is getting cut out with

4076
02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:08,479
relationship to the existing program.

4077
02:35:08,479 --> 02:35:10,000
And I did want to ask, you said that

4078
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:11,520
there were eight of these approved and

4079
02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:13,920
that six are active. I do note that the

4080
02:35:13,920 --> 02:35:16,000
code allows that after five years, if

4081
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:18,000
there aren't any problems, then we're

4082
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:19,760
done. Is that why there are two of them

4083
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:21,439
that are no longer active?

4084
02:35:21,439 --> 02:35:23,120
>> No, not that I'm aware. The two that I'm

4085
02:35:23,120 --> 02:35:25,840
referring to, one is voided and they

4086
02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:28,240
withdrew the request. Okay. one ended up

4087
02:35:28,240 --> 02:35:30,000
actually not needing it because the the

4088
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:31,520
reason they applied for one in the first

4089
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:33,760
place was because of a physical

4090
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:35,920
constraint on the lot and they but they

4091
02:35:35,920 --> 02:35:38,160
were able to negotiate and and get space

4092
02:35:38,160 --> 02:35:39,760
on an adjoining one.

4093
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:42,399
>> So they actually ended up withdrawing

4094
02:35:42,399 --> 02:35:43,600
the request.

4095
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:46,080
>> Yeah. Because I like the idea that this

4096
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:48,479
program is set up so that we are looking

4097
02:35:48,479 --> 02:35:51,040
at how this parking reduction has

4098
02:35:51,040 --> 02:35:54,080
actually affected if the parking is

4099
02:35:54,080 --> 02:35:58,800
adequate and we lose this code set

4100
02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:01,439
obligation and ability to continue to

4101
02:36:01,439 --> 02:36:04,000
re-evaluate those reductions that were

4102
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:05,359
given. Um,

4103
02:36:05,359 --> 02:36:07,120
>> Whipple, if I could just respond to

4104
02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:09,280
that. I don't think that we do because

4105
02:36:09,280 --> 02:36:12,399
the provision that you're mentioning

4106
02:36:12,399 --> 02:36:15,120
says that the agreement has to include

4107
02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:16,960
those provisions. So, those provisions

4108
02:36:16,960 --> 02:36:18,640
are in the agreement even if they're not

4109
02:36:18,640 --> 02:36:19,600
in the code anymore.

4110
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:21,520
>> Okay. So, we'll be okay for the existing

4111
02:36:21,520 --> 02:36:22,319
ones.

4112
02:36:22,319 --> 02:36:23,840
>> That's my that's my belief. Yes.

4113
02:36:23,840 --> 02:36:25,200
>> And we do know that all of this is

4114
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:26,560
within those agreements.

4115
02:36:26,560 --> 02:36:28,160
>> I have not reviewed the agreements. I

4116
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:29,680
was counting on the fact that it said

4117
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:31,439
that the code says that they must be in

4118
02:36:31,439 --> 02:36:32,960
the agreements. Bill's nodding his head,

4119
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:34,399
but I haven't looked at it. But that's

4120
02:36:34,399 --> 02:36:36,240
certainly something we could do.

4121
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:38,000
>> I would need to check specifically.

4122
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:41,040
>> Okay. And then have we been doing that

4123
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:43,520
parking lot adequacy monitoring on an

4124
02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:46,800
annual basis for the existing ones?

4125
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:48,640
>> Um it's been months since I had Sandy go

4126
02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:50,399
by and do counts or people go out and do

4127
02:36:50,399 --> 02:36:52,000
counts in the middle of the night. It's

4128
02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:53,680
probably been six or eight months since

4129
02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:55,439
we did last one. But I had her

4130
02:36:55,439 --> 02:36:57,040
monitoring as pretty regular.

4131
02:36:57,040 --> 02:36:58,560
>> Okay. The other thing I would add though

4132
02:36:58,560 --> 02:36:59,920
is and part of the reason that I was

4133
02:36:59,920 --> 02:37:01,200
okay with cutting all of this. In fact,

4134
02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:03,359
even suggested to to Tanner to cut it

4135
02:37:03,359 --> 02:37:06,720
all is that and again this is we can fix

4136
02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:08,479
this if this isn't meeting what you're

4137
02:37:08,479 --> 02:37:10,960
expecting. But the code doesn't actually

4138
02:37:10,960 --> 02:37:12,720
say that has to happen. It says it has

4139
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:14,319
to be in the agreement. So

4140
02:37:14,319 --> 02:37:15,280
>> okay,

4141
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:17,439
>> even even with this still in there, it

4142
02:37:17,439 --> 02:37:19,520
doesn't say that it has to happen. It

4143
02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:20,720
just says that it has to be in the

4144
02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:22,160
agreement and the agreement shouldn't

4145
02:37:22,160 --> 02:37:23,920
have been valid if that wasn't in there.

4146
02:37:23,920 --> 02:37:26,560
Does that make sense make sense? And is

4147
02:37:26,560 --> 02:37:28,479
that the same way a development

4148
02:37:28,479 --> 02:37:30,399
agreement will work effectively

4149
02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:32,720
>> essentially if we use that method in the

4150
02:37:32,720 --> 02:37:33,840
future?

4151
02:37:33,840 --> 02:37:35,040
>> Yes.

4152
02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:39,439
>> Okay. Um the other thing that I don't

4153
02:37:39,439 --> 02:37:42,800
like about this is this is the only

4154
02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:44,960
place I think that we have in the code

4155
02:37:44,960 --> 02:37:48,319
where we have recommendations for

4156
02:37:48,319 --> 02:37:50,560
bicycle parking the number of spaces. In

4157
02:37:50,560 --> 02:37:52,399
another part of the code, we've got the

4158
02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:54,960
standards for bicycle parking, like what

4159
02:37:54,960 --> 02:37:57,359
kind of short-term and long-term, but

4160
02:37:57,359 --> 02:38:01,439
there's no requirement for or or

4161
02:38:01,439 --> 02:38:03,359
recommendation for how many bicycle

4162
02:38:03,359 --> 02:38:07,120
parking stalls or or walkups should be

4163
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:08,720
at different types of businesses and

4164
02:38:08,720 --> 02:38:10,960
things like that. This was developed

4165
02:38:10,960 --> 02:38:13,439
right here. We have this chart and I

4166
02:38:13,439 --> 02:38:16,880
think this is useful. Um, and so I

4167
02:38:16,880 --> 02:38:19,680
>> go to that chart. Yeah, it just down a

4168
02:38:19,680 --> 02:38:21,680
little bit.

4169
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:23,600
>> And so, you know, this is the

4170
02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:25,600
recommendation for what would be good

4171
02:38:25,600 --> 02:38:27,840
for the bicycle parking. And if you do

4172
02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:31,680
this, then you can seek that reduction

4173
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:34,720
in car parking. Um, but we don't have

4174
02:38:34,720 --> 02:38:37,600
any, and please correct me if I'm wrong,

4175
02:38:37,600 --> 02:38:39,040
but is there any other place where we

4176
02:38:39,040 --> 02:38:41,600
require bicycle parking or recommend

4177
02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:44,000
what is an appropriate amount of bicycle

4178
02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:45,359
parking for different types of

4179
02:38:45,359 --> 02:38:46,479
businesses?

4180
02:38:46,479 --> 02:38:48,080
>> I don't think so. And in fact that I

4181
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:50,160
mean to your point that's why I remember

4182
02:38:50,160 --> 02:38:54,319
when this was put in that the it's

4183
02:38:54,319 --> 02:38:55,920
essentially this was put in as an

4184
02:38:55,920 --> 02:38:58,160
incentive program right I mean the whole

4185
02:38:58,160 --> 02:38:59,760
aim of this was

4186
02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:01,359
>> here are the things that we want to

4187
02:39:01,359 --> 02:39:03,600
incentivize you to do or potentially

4188
02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:05,200
incentivize you to do

4189
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:07,680
>> uh to reduce the need for parking so

4190
02:39:07,680 --> 02:39:09,760
we'll in incentivize you by reducing

4191
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:11,920
your parking requirement if you do them.

4192
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:14,560
I think there might be some bicycle

4193
02:39:14,560 --> 02:39:19,359
stuff in the um in the open space in the

4194
02:39:19,359 --> 02:39:21,760
amenities density se section. But again,

4195
02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:23,600
that's a menu of things that they can

4196
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:25,359
pick from. It's not the bices

4197
02:39:25,359 --> 02:39:26,319
themselves.

4198
02:39:26,319 --> 02:39:27,760
>> And I recognize this isn't a

4199
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:29,280
requirement, but this is actually really

4200
02:39:29,280 --> 02:39:31,760
useful guidance. Like this is the kind

4201
02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:33,520
of bicycle parking that's appropriate

4202
02:39:33,520 --> 02:39:36,399
for these types of businesses and and

4203
02:39:36,399 --> 02:39:40,880
things like that. Um, it's

4204
02:39:40,880 --> 02:39:43,840
I think a useful chunk of a document.

4205
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:46,080
>> I also don't think though that people

4206
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:48,080
having a bike means they don't have a

4207
02:39:48,080 --> 02:39:51,200
car. Like I don't think the two are are

4208
02:39:51,200 --> 02:39:52,720
equal. Like I don't think one means the

4209
02:39:52,720 --> 02:39:53,840
other. I don't think if you have a bike

4210
02:39:53,840 --> 02:39:55,920
it means you don't have a car,

4211
02:39:55,920 --> 02:39:59,359
>> right? But see this is this is not just

4212
02:39:59,359 --> 02:40:00,960
about

4213
02:40:00,960 --> 02:40:03,040
apartments and residential. This also

4214
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:05,680
has different businesses and what kind

4215
02:40:05,680 --> 02:40:10,000
of bicycle parking is useful there. Um,

4216
02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:12,160
so

4217
02:40:12,160 --> 02:40:13,439
where we're looking

4218
02:40:13,439 --> 02:40:14,880
>> Yeah, that's right.

4219
02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:16,560
>> Well, and and maybe I should ask a

4220
02:40:16,560 --> 02:40:20,640
question. We're looking at getting rid

4221
02:40:20,640 --> 02:40:23,520
of the parking reduction primarily for

4222
02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:25,760
residential things. Are we looking at

4223
02:40:25,760 --> 02:40:27,439
reducing the parking requirement for

4224
02:40:27,439 --> 02:40:29,120
businesses? I'm doing 05

4225
02:40:29,120 --> 02:40:30,560
>> or changing.

4226
02:40:30,560 --> 02:40:32,720
>> We're looking at getting rid of.

4227
02:40:32,720 --> 02:40:34,960
>> So, this is a higher standard. Yeah. So,

4228
02:40:34,960 --> 02:40:36,000
I'm gonna interject.

4229
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:37,200
>> I think that was just addressing

4230
02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:38,080
residential,

4231
02:40:38,080 --> 02:40:40,319
>> right? But see, this is also taking out

4232
02:40:40,319 --> 02:40:42,319
the recommendation for reducing parking

4233
02:40:42,319 --> 02:40:45,359
requirements for businesses.

4234
02:40:45,359 --> 02:40:49,520
And with residential, I think we're on

4235
02:40:49,520 --> 02:40:51,359
firmer ground for insisting that we need

4236
02:40:51,359 --> 02:40:53,120
a certain number of parking for

4237
02:40:53,120 --> 02:40:56,880
bedrooms. But I don't know that the

4238
02:40:56,880 --> 02:40:58,720
standards that we have set for parking

4239
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:01,439
for commercial things have that same

4240
02:41:01,439 --> 02:41:03,760
level of justification. Some of them are

4241
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:06,399
things that we have inherited from

4242
02:41:06,399 --> 02:41:09,280
somebody else's code but aren't actually

4243
02:41:09,280 --> 02:41:12,640
related to the actual use or the demand

4244
02:41:12,640 --> 02:41:15,040
which is why we end up with big seas of

4245
02:41:15,040 --> 02:41:18,000
asphalt around businesses that for the

4246
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:20,000
mall certainly weren't necessary.

4247
02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:21,600
>> Council Ripple Tanner has pointed out to

4248
02:41:21,600 --> 02:41:22,880
me that I misspoke so he's going to

4249
02:41:22,880 --> 02:41:23,520
correct me.

4250
02:41:23,520 --> 02:41:25,359
>> Oh, good. Oh, there there is a required

4251
02:41:25,359 --> 02:41:27,200
bicycle parking in the code. It's

4252
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:29,520
actually 1437065.

4253
02:41:29,520 --> 02:41:30,000
>> 06.

4254
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:31,439
>> So, it's just the section right below

4255
02:41:31,439 --> 02:41:33,280
the automobile parking section.

4256
02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:33,680
>> Thanks.

4257
02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:35,439
>> And it's the standards to get a

4258
02:41:35,439 --> 02:41:37,439
reduction appear to be on my cursory

4259
02:41:37,439 --> 02:41:39,120
review about double what the minimum

4260
02:41:39,120 --> 02:41:40,720
standard is.

4261
02:41:40,720 --> 02:41:43,840
>> Those minimum standards and then if you

4262
02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:45,680
do more, you can reduce your part.

4263
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:47,359
>> Okay. Thank you.

4264
02:41:47,359 --> 02:41:49,280
>> And we're only getting rid of this

4265
02:41:49,280 --> 02:41:51,439
proposal only gets rid of the

4266
02:41:51,439 --> 02:41:54,399
additionals, not the minimums. Yes.

4267
02:41:54,399 --> 02:41:56,479
Okay, that makes me feel a little bit

4268
02:41:56,479 --> 02:41:58,880
better about that. Um, and so that takes

4269
02:41:58,880 --> 02:42:02,880
me to my last thing and that is

4270
02:42:02,880 --> 02:42:06,000
I don't think that it is efficient to

4271
02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:08,399
make the council do these decisions

4272
02:42:08,399 --> 02:42:10,319
every time. I think it would be useful

4273
02:42:10,319 --> 02:42:14,000
to continue to have this as an incentive

4274
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:16,399
and I think it's appropriate to have it

4275
02:42:16,399 --> 02:42:18,319
with the complaining planning commission

4276
02:42:18,319 --> 02:42:22,000
or to be an administrative decision. Um,

4277
02:42:22,000 --> 02:42:28,550
I think as council sometimes we seek to

4278
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:32,560
exercise more micromanaging power and

4279
02:42:32,560 --> 02:42:36,240
control and that takes a lot of time,

4280
02:42:36,240 --> 02:42:38,640
not just our time and our staff time,

4281
02:42:38,640 --> 02:42:41,280
but applicants time. There are real

4282
02:42:41,280 --> 02:42:44,319
financial costs to that and part of the

4283
02:42:44,319 --> 02:42:48,160
cost is benefit to our city in delaying

4284
02:42:48,160 --> 02:42:50,880
or preventing developments that would be

4285
02:42:50,880 --> 02:42:54,560
good for our residents. So

4286
02:42:54,560 --> 02:42:56,560
I

4287
02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:59,040
do not like this change.

4288
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:01,359
>> Thank you for

4289
02:43:01,359 --> 02:43:03,600
>> I know we're in discussion but I have a

4290
02:43:03,600 --> 02:43:04,960
couple more questions. Is that okay to

4291
02:43:04,960 --> 02:43:08,560
ask? Uh, one question I have is if

4292
02:43:08,560 --> 02:43:11,680
anyone was uh here, you kind of talked

4293
02:43:11,680 --> 02:43:13,840
this a little bit, but do we know like

4294
02:43:13,840 --> 02:43:16,479
what's the history of doing this TDM

4295
02:43:16,479 --> 02:43:18,000
program?

4296
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:20,160
>> Why other cities do it?

4297
02:43:20,160 --> 02:43:22,080
>> So, I don't know. I can't say that other

4298
02:43:22,080 --> 02:43:24,319
cities have an TDM program exactly like

4299
02:43:24,319 --> 02:43:26,240
we do. There are Salt Lake City for

4300
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:28,160
example has a very extensive list that

4301
02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:30,479
allows the staff that guides them very

4302
02:43:30,479 --> 02:43:32,640
narrowly as to what they can try to rent

4303
02:43:32,640 --> 02:43:35,439
a reduction for and sets maximums and

4304
02:43:35,439 --> 02:43:37,680
stuff like that. As far as I was able to

4305
02:43:37,680 --> 02:43:41,439
get from my research, the TDM section of

4306
02:43:41,439 --> 02:43:44,960
the code was added in 2017

4307
02:43:44,960 --> 02:43:48,720
and the bike parking uh avenue for

4308
02:43:48,720 --> 02:43:51,760
reduction was added in 2019 and modified

4309
02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:54,720
in 2020. So I don't know if that gets at

4310
02:43:54,720 --> 02:43:57,680
why a lot of the why but it that's the

4311
02:43:57,680 --> 02:43:59,680
timeline basically that's all

4312
02:43:59,680 --> 02:44:01,600
>> in 2017 we had council members who

4313
02:44:01,600 --> 02:44:03,279
thought the code should be given to

4314
02:44:03,279 --> 02:44:06,080
allow this opportunity

4315
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:08,479
>> what was the drive the discussion or the

4316
02:44:08,479 --> 02:44:11,439
driving motivation

4317
02:44:11,439 --> 02:44:13,439
>> I don't know that I remember exactly

4318
02:44:13,439 --> 02:44:15,680
what brought it up I will say and this

4319
02:44:15,680 --> 02:44:17,439
kind of piggybacks to some extent off of

4320
02:44:17,439 --> 02:44:21,760
councelor Ripple's uh statement or com

4321
02:44:21,760 --> 02:44:25,279
comments is I I do agree that to the

4322
02:44:25,279 --> 02:44:29,439
extent exceptions to legal requirements

4323
02:44:29,439 --> 02:44:31,439
are going to be granted the normal

4324
02:44:31,439 --> 02:44:33,040
method for granting them is through

4325
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:36,319
administrative processes. So I think

4326
02:44:36,319 --> 02:44:39,279
that so as I recall that was the that

4327
02:44:39,279 --> 02:44:41,279
was what was happening is that there

4328
02:44:41,279 --> 02:44:42,960
were so many people there were a lot of

4329
02:44:42,960 --> 02:44:44,479
projects that were coming in and they

4330
02:44:44,479 --> 02:44:48,399
were asking for lower parking and every

4331
02:44:48,399 --> 02:44:50,160
one of them came in and had you know

4332
02:44:50,160 --> 02:44:51,359
here's what we're going to do in order

4333
02:44:51,359 --> 02:44:53,680
to justify our parking. This is why our

4334
02:44:53,680 --> 02:44:56,800
parking needs to be lower. And because

4335
02:44:56,800 --> 02:44:58,479
we didn't have a methodology for

4336
02:44:58,479 --> 02:45:01,279
granting those it wasn't happening. it

4337
02:45:01,279 --> 02:45:04,399
was mostly happening through people uh

4338
02:45:04,399 --> 02:45:07,520
applying for prozzones, right? And at

4339
02:45:07,520 --> 02:45:09,520
some point, I think my recollection is

4340
02:45:09,520 --> 02:45:11,920
that uh some of the council said, well,

4341
02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:14,160
we think that there are situations where

4342
02:45:14,160 --> 02:45:17,840
if they are doing enough to mitigate

4343
02:45:17,840 --> 02:45:20,479
um parking demand that they ought to be

4344
02:45:20,479 --> 02:45:24,399
able to have uh the parking reduced. So,

4345
02:45:24,399 --> 02:45:26,319
let's create a method for doing that.

4346
02:45:26,319 --> 02:45:28,640
And I I do agree that the normal way for

4347
02:45:28,640 --> 02:45:29,840
doing that kind of thing is through

4348
02:45:29,840 --> 02:45:32,720
administrative processes. And so the

4349
02:45:32,720 --> 02:45:35,920
question becau the normally the question

4350
02:45:35,920 --> 02:45:38,640
is when you think that it when the

4351
02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:39,840
legislative body thinks that the

4352
02:45:39,840 --> 02:45:41,600
administrative process isn't achieving

4353
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:44,880
the goals the first question usually to

4354
02:45:44,880 --> 02:45:47,279
ask is well are the criteria wrong? Do

4355
02:45:47,279 --> 02:45:49,279
we need to fix the criteria so that the

4356
02:45:49,279 --> 02:45:52,000
administrative process does achieve the

4357
02:45:52,000 --> 02:45:55,920
goals that we're trying to achieve or

4358
02:45:55,920 --> 02:45:58,479
similar to kind of what's happening now

4359
02:45:58,479 --> 02:46:00,160
is it is the administrative process

4360
02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:01,680
itself undermining the goals and it just

4361
02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:03,200
needs to be get gotten rid of. It

4362
02:46:03,200 --> 02:46:05,359
certainly uh makes sense to get rid of

4363
02:46:05,359 --> 02:46:07,279
it if you think that it's not meeting

4364
02:46:07,279 --> 02:46:09,439
the meeting the goals. So,

4365
02:46:09,439 --> 02:46:11,120
>> thank you. And then I have a question

4366
02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:13,520
for you, Director Pepron.

4367
02:46:13,520 --> 02:46:16,000
We we've only had

4368
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:18,479
currently six eight have approved

4369
02:46:18,479 --> 02:46:20,160
historically. How many have been

4370
02:46:20,160 --> 02:46:21,920
requested? Do we have

4371
02:46:21,920 --> 02:46:24,080
>> I don't have that data. The reason is

4372
02:46:24,080 --> 02:46:25,920
because if they were not approved, they

4373
02:46:25,920 --> 02:46:27,840
would just be recorded in the minutes of

4374
02:46:27,840 --> 02:46:29,760
a planning commission meeting. And I

4375
02:46:29,760 --> 02:46:31,600
certainly could try to do that, but

4376
02:46:31,600 --> 02:46:33,920
there are 247 over the past 5 years.

4377
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:36,960
>> No, please do not. I was just curious.

4378
02:46:36,960 --> 02:46:39,279
But I but I do I am curious because when

4379
02:46:39,279 --> 02:46:42,640
I speak to developers, I just had uh

4380
02:46:42,640 --> 02:46:44,560
lunch last week with with one that I

4381
02:46:44,560 --> 02:46:47,040
used to be in the same ward of and is a

4382
02:46:47,040 --> 02:46:50,000
friend. They always tell you cost the

4383
02:46:50,000 --> 02:46:53,439
cost of parking is one of the most uh

4384
02:46:53,439 --> 02:46:54,880
the biggest barriers to development

4385
02:46:54,880 --> 02:46:56,080
right now, especially with high interest

4386
02:46:56,080 --> 02:46:58,160
rates. So I'm curious, why don't we see

4387
02:46:58,160 --> 02:46:59,760
more requests for this? Is it I'm just

4388
02:46:59,760 --> 02:47:01,040
curious if you have any professional

4389
02:47:01,040 --> 02:47:03,439
judgment on that question. I think we're

4390
02:47:03,439 --> 02:47:05,520
coming out that Honeyish was very

4391
02:47:05,520 --> 02:47:09,200
hesitant to uh approve them. Um the

4392
02:47:09,200 --> 02:47:10,880
apartment building right by the state.

4393
02:47:10,880 --> 02:47:12,160
You remember that when that went

4394
02:47:12,160 --> 02:47:14,160
through? You may have been on the plan.

4395
02:47:14,160 --> 02:47:22,230
>> Yeah, I think I was.

4396
02:47:22,240 --> 02:47:24,399
» Yeah. I think they just felt like asking

4397
02:47:24,399 --> 02:47:26,880
for a zone change and a parking

4398
02:47:26,880 --> 02:47:28,640
reduction both was going to make it hard

4399
02:47:28,640 --> 02:47:30,720
to get their project approved. So they

4400
02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:33,359
didn't they never even asked for one. So

4401
02:47:33,359 --> 02:47:34,960
we haven't had a request for a parking

4402
02:47:34,960 --> 02:47:38,399
reduction in quite a while.

4403
02:47:38,399 --> 02:47:41,840
>> Do you think it's possible that by

4404
02:47:41,840 --> 02:47:45,279
removing this we may get more requests

4405
02:47:45,279 --> 02:47:47,840
or get or there might be more coming

4406
02:47:47,840 --> 02:47:52,790
through to the city council.

4407
02:47:52,800 --> 02:47:54,800
» Um

4408
02:47:54,800 --> 02:47:56,640
to me what we're experiencing right now

4409
02:47:56,640 --> 02:48:00,000
is a drop off in applications. is the

4410
02:48:00,000 --> 02:48:02,880
drop off in projects between the cost of

4411
02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:04,800
parking you have referred to and the

4412
02:48:04,800 --> 02:48:08,000
interest rates. Um we haven't had an

4413
02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:11,920
apartment proposal in a while. Um so to

4414
02:48:11,920 --> 02:48:14,160
me it's more of that.

4415
02:48:14,160 --> 02:48:19,670
>> Okay. Thank you

4416
02:48:19,680 --> 02:48:21,760
» councelor whistle.

4417
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:25,359
>> So I'd like you to help me understand or

4418
02:48:25,359 --> 02:48:26,800
to correct my understanding of the

4419
02:48:26,800 --> 02:48:29,840
history. Um, but I think with like the

4420
02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:32,560
element or some other projects that were

4421
02:48:32,560 --> 02:48:35,200
approved with the reduction, we did see

4422
02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:36,960
problems with on street parking

4423
02:48:36,960 --> 02:48:41,920
afterwards and that after that there was

4424
02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:44,880
different guidance from development

4425
02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:49,120
services to applicants to help them

4426
02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:51,920
maybe not request the maximal thing like

4427
02:48:51,920 --> 02:48:54,960
to actually tailor what you believe the

4428
02:48:54,960 --> 02:48:57,279
project would need

4429
02:48:57,279 --> 02:48:59,040
to not be a nuisance to the

4430
02:48:59,040 --> 02:49:04,710
neighborhood. And so there wasn't

4431
02:49:04,720 --> 02:49:06,800
it. It's not like everybody was able to

4432
02:49:06,800 --> 02:49:08,720
get everything that was they could

4433
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:12,000
potentially ask for it. That's not a

4434
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:13,439
right that they would have even with

4435
02:49:13,439 --> 02:49:14,800
this code.

4436
02:49:14,800 --> 02:49:17,200
>> Correct. If you go back and look at the

4437
02:49:17,200 --> 02:49:18,800
actual ones that were approved and maybe

4438
02:49:18,800 --> 02:49:20,960
Tanner has this information, most of the

4439
02:49:20,960 --> 02:49:23,120
ones were granted were pretty minor.

4440
02:49:23,120 --> 02:49:26,080
>> Yeah. They weren't significant or large

4441
02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:28,319
reductions. They were asked for 400

4442
02:49:28,319 --> 02:49:30,319
element did not ask for a reduction is

4443
02:49:30,319 --> 02:49:32,080
my recollection.

4444
02:49:32,080 --> 02:49:36,870
>> Um

4445
02:49:36,880 --> 02:49:39,359
we still have had cases though where

4446
02:49:39,359 --> 02:49:42,640
those that received um

4447
02:49:42,640 --> 02:49:45,120
reductions have experienced spillover

4448
02:49:45,120 --> 02:49:47,840
parking on adjacent streets.

4449
02:49:47,840 --> 02:49:52,880
>> Yeah. Um, so would it make sense

4450
02:49:52,880 --> 02:49:55,439
to

4451
02:49:55,439 --> 02:49:58,640
adjust this program to to deal with that

4452
02:49:58,640 --> 02:50:01,040
better or is it just get rid of it

4453
02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:02,479
entirely?

4454
02:50:02,479 --> 02:50:04,000
>> Well, that was kind of the direction

4455
02:50:04,000 --> 02:50:07,279
that Aaron's amendment was going um a

4456
02:50:07,279 --> 02:50:10,880
few weeks ago was to allow the reduction

4457
02:50:10,880 --> 02:50:13,120
in places where there wouldn't be

4458
02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:15,520
spillover parking because of the nature

4459
02:50:15,520 --> 02:50:17,120
of that location and the surrounding

4460
02:50:17,120 --> 02:50:19,200
streets. We tried to come up with come

4461
02:50:19,200 --> 02:50:21,520
up with criteria that allowed the

4462
02:50:21,520 --> 02:50:25,200
reduction but got out ahead of these

4463
02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:27,840
impacts that we were experiencing in

4464
02:50:27,840 --> 02:50:30,000
other cases.

4465
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:32,479
>> So the the earlier proposal was a way to

4466
02:50:32,479 --> 02:50:34,800
address problems

4467
02:50:34,800 --> 02:50:37,359
um to address problems that we had seen

4468
02:50:37,359 --> 02:50:38,720
in implementing the program.

4469
02:50:38,720 --> 02:50:39,520
>> Yes.

4470
02:50:39,520 --> 02:50:41,920
>> But still meet the need of developers

4471
02:50:41,920 --> 02:50:44,479
and our community to have more housing.

4472
02:50:44,479 --> 02:50:46,240
>> Yes. because I I think this is the

4473
02:50:46,240 --> 02:50:47,680
single biggest factor that's holding

4474
02:50:47,680 --> 02:50:50,240
back more student housing is this

4475
02:50:50,240 --> 02:50:52,560
parking ratio. That's why when you see

4476
02:50:52,560 --> 02:50:55,600
Park Plaza, they're going to

4477
02:50:55,600 --> 02:50:57,600
the project won't happen if if they

4478
02:50:57,600 --> 02:51:00,479
don't get a reduction. They'll end up

4479
02:51:00,479 --> 02:51:03,680
reselling the property. I'm pretty sure.

4480
02:51:03,680 --> 02:51:06,240
>> Oh, I want that property to be redone.

4481
02:51:06,240 --> 02:51:09,200
Okay. Thank you.

4482
02:51:09,200 --> 02:51:13,760
>> Right, Councelor Hoben. Well, I'm I'm

4483
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:16,960
okay with addressing the Park Plaza, but

4484
02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:19,760
I don't like the broadness of this

4485
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:21,840
>> to us so we can address it.

4486
02:51:21,840 --> 02:51:24,560
>> I'm I'm I agree that we need to address

4487
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:27,040
it. We don't want that opportunity to go

4488
02:51:27,040 --> 02:51:31,200
away. Um I I guess I don't feel like,

4489
02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:34,479
you know, six to 10 of these

4490
02:51:34,479 --> 02:51:36,960
are currently in the works. Um I don't

4491
02:51:36,960 --> 02:51:38,960
feel like that's too much to ask council

4492
02:51:38,960 --> 02:51:40,960
to do. I mean, we just spent an hour

4493
02:51:40,960 --> 02:51:45,040
discussing one tow truck a year, so I

4494
02:51:45,040 --> 02:51:46,319
would I think we could prior

4495
02:51:46,319 --> 02:51:47,520
>> one of our finest moments.

4496
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:49,680
>> I think we could prior Oh, well, do you

4497
02:51:49,680 --> 02:51:51,040
remember how much time we spent on dog

4498
02:51:51,040 --> 02:51:52,240
poop? I don't know if you remember that.

4499
02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:54,160
was maybe prior to your time.

4500
02:51:54,160 --> 02:51:56,720
>> Um, so I think we could prioritize our

4501
02:51:56,720 --> 02:52:00,240
time. I I just I'm okay with kind of

4502
02:52:00,240 --> 02:52:02,960
pulling this back to the council. I I

4503
02:52:02,960 --> 02:52:06,560
don't like the broadness of of you know

4504
02:52:06,560 --> 02:52:08,560
enacting

4505
02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:11,120
the proposed currently proposed and I am

4506
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:12,800
okay bringing it back. I just wanted to

4507
02:52:12,800 --> 02:52:14,640
make my my stance kind of clear.

4508
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:15,120
>> Yes.

4509
02:52:15,120 --> 02:52:16,399
>> Okay. Ready to take a vote on the

4510
02:52:16,399 --> 02:52:16,880
motion?

4511
02:52:16,880 --> 02:52:17,279
>> Sure.

4512
02:52:17,279 --> 02:52:17,680
>> Yeah.

4513
02:52:17,680 --> 02:52:18,160
>> All right.

4514
02:52:18,160 --> 02:52:20,319
>> Can I take Sorry. Can I say one thing?

4515
02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:23,520
Uh, I I I think I think I'd be okay with

4516
02:52:23,520 --> 02:52:25,680
I am okay with this, but I would like I

4517
02:52:25,680 --> 02:52:28,800
hope it's in the spirit of by bringing

4518
02:52:28,800 --> 02:52:30,640
these to us more, we're going to be able

4519
02:52:30,640 --> 02:52:32,720
to wrestle with the trade-offs and the

4520
02:52:32,720 --> 02:52:34,080
issues and potentially come with a

4521
02:52:34,080 --> 02:52:36,240
better policy framework moving forward.

4522
02:52:36,240 --> 02:52:38,160
And if that's how like we're approaching

4523
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:39,439
this, I think it could be a really good

4524
02:52:39,439 --> 02:52:41,359
long-term solution.

4525
02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:44,240
>> That's absolutely my hope as well. Um, I

4526
02:52:44,240 --> 02:52:45,760
would much rather be surgical about

4527
02:52:45,760 --> 02:52:48,479
this. I I have more confidence in our

4528
02:52:48,479 --> 02:52:50,240
ability to do it. So, I am willing to

4529
02:52:50,240 --> 02:52:52,319
micromanage it because I think it's that

4530
02:52:52,319 --> 02:52:54,560
important. The spillover, easy for us to

4531
02:52:54,560 --> 02:52:56,000
do that in someone else's neighborhood.

4532
02:52:56,000 --> 02:52:57,600
When that happens in your neighborhood

4533
02:52:57,600 --> 02:52:59,520
and there's spillover, people get

4534
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:02,720
ticked. So, I'm I want to advocate for

4535
02:53:02,720 --> 02:53:04,880
those people and make sure that we we do

4536
02:53:04,880 --> 02:53:06,640
something that really makes sense. But,

4537
02:53:06,640 --> 02:53:08,720
we've got to figure this out. Now, I

4538
02:53:08,720 --> 02:53:12,800
would also have to have to say um Bill,

4539
02:53:12,800 --> 02:53:14,720
you made the comment that this is this

4540
02:53:14,720 --> 02:53:16,479
is the biggest factor. The biggest

4541
02:53:16,479 --> 02:53:17,600
factor, I think, is actually the

4542
02:53:17,600 --> 02:53:19,520
economy. I think it's interest rates

4543
02:53:19,520 --> 02:53:21,520
that's the biggest factor. This actually

4544
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:24,960
goes way down and is a factor, but

4545
02:53:24,960 --> 02:53:27,680
there's there's so many micro excuse me

4546
02:53:27,680 --> 02:53:31,520
macro issues that to put all those macro

4547
02:53:31,520 --> 02:53:33,520
issues into parking and if we just solve

4548
02:53:33,520 --> 02:53:35,520
this, we'd have a lot more development.

4549
02:53:35,520 --> 02:53:38,479
That is not true. Vacancies are at very

4550
02:53:38,479 --> 02:53:41,600
high rates. And so there there's much

4551
02:53:41,600 --> 02:53:43,439
more to it. And I feel more confident in

4552
02:53:43,439 --> 02:53:45,760
our ability to address that surgically

4553
02:53:45,760 --> 02:53:49,760
than I do with a broad uh handed over to

4554
02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:51,040
the administrative process.

4555
02:53:51,040 --> 02:53:52,800
>> And there's still just a huge deal that

4556
02:53:52,800 --> 02:53:54,800
people are obviously paying too much for

4557
02:53:54,800 --> 02:53:56,319
land if they can't do the parking that's

4558
02:53:56,319 --> 02:53:57,920
required in code right now. That's on

4559
02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:00,080
them. Don't pay too much for your land.

4560
02:54:00,080 --> 02:54:02,800
If everybody was honest about what's

4561
02:54:02,800 --> 02:54:04,080
required in the code and how much that

4562
02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:06,080
costs, then the land would be x amount

4563
02:54:06,080 --> 02:54:07,359
of dollars and they wouldn't overpay for

4564
02:54:07,359 --> 02:54:08,800
it. but they overpaid for it trying to

4565
02:54:08,800 --> 02:54:11,200
upzone it, trying to get parking

4566
02:54:11,200 --> 02:54:14,080
reductions. And that's not a burden

4567
02:54:14,080 --> 02:54:15,439
that's we should be putting on our

4568
02:54:15,439 --> 02:54:18,399
citizens. So word has to get out there

4569
02:54:18,399 --> 02:54:20,080
that stop what we're paying for your

4570
02:54:20,080 --> 02:54:22,479
land and this is what it's worth. And if

4571
02:54:22,479 --> 02:54:24,000
you can't develop it, then it's not

4572
02:54:24,000 --> 02:54:29,990
worth what you're paying for it.

4573
02:54:30,000 --> 02:54:32,560
» All right. Councelor McCay, yes.

4574
02:54:32,560 --> 02:54:33,600
Councelor Christensen,

4575
02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:34,000
>> yes.

4576
02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:35,120
>> Councelor Whitlock,

4577
02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:36,960
>> yes. Yes. Councelor Bogden,

4578
02:54:36,960 --> 02:54:37,520
>> yes.

4579
02:54:37,520 --> 02:54:38,640
>> Councelor Hoben,

4580
02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:39,040
>> yes.

4581
02:54:39,040 --> 02:54:40,080
>> Councelor Whipple,

4582
02:54:40,080 --> 02:54:40,399
>> no.

4583
02:54:40,399 --> 02:54:42,319
>> And councelor Garrett,

4584
02:54:42,319 --> 02:54:43,200
>> yes.

4585
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:45,520
>> And that passes 60.

4586
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:46,240
>> 61.

4587
02:54:46,240 --> 02:54:50,870
>> Sorry. 61,

4588
02:54:50,880 --> 02:54:53,040
» All right. Yes.

4589
02:54:53,040 --> 02:54:54,880
>> Hope the council will move forward that

4590
02:54:54,880 --> 02:54:56,960
amendment to allow us to count offsite

4591
02:54:56,960 --> 02:54:58,080
park residential.

4592
02:54:58,080 --> 02:54:59,279
>> Yeah.

4593
02:54:59,279 --> 02:55:00,720
>> I think that's great and I'm excited

4594
02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:03,600
about that.

4595
02:55:03,600 --> 02:55:05,840
>> It's good. And I want to bring BYU into

4596
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:07,840
that discussion. [laughter]

4597
02:55:07,840 --> 02:55:12,000
>> So just good question. So that will be

4598
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:13,439
do we need to do this in a night

4599
02:55:13,439 --> 02:55:13,920
meeting?

4600
02:55:13,920 --> 02:55:16,319
>> Yes. The motion was just to move this to

4601
02:55:16,319 --> 02:55:19,359
the night meeting. Thanks.

4602
02:55:19,359 --> 02:55:20,720
>> All right. Next, a discussion regarding

4603
02:55:20,720 --> 02:55:22,080
external accessory dwelling units

4604
02:55:22,080 --> 02:55:24,720
presented by Malia Dailyaly. Our council

4605
02:55:24,720 --> 02:55:25,920
policy am.

4606
02:55:25,920 --> 02:55:28,560
>> Okay. Great. This is a followup from the

4607
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:31,120
June 9th work meeting. Would have been

4608
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:33,040
in the June 23rd, but I was not here.

4609
02:55:33,040 --> 02:55:34,000
So,

4610
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:35,359
>> where were you?

4611
02:55:35,359 --> 02:55:39,520
>> Yeah, I was just out by three weeks. Um,

4612
02:55:39,520 --> 02:55:41,920
okay. Um, I don't have any slides for

4613
02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:44,880
this. Um, what we did, I worked with

4614
02:55:44,880 --> 02:55:47,760
development services and legal based on

4615
02:55:47,760 --> 02:55:50,399
the motions from that last meeting to

4616
02:55:50,399 --> 02:55:54,800
adjust the privacy concerns for new

4617
02:55:54,800 --> 02:55:58,160
external ADUs and existing under code.

4618
02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:01,520
And then we also included some changes

4619
02:56:01,520 --> 02:56:03,920
to the chapter based on state

4620
02:56:03,920 --> 02:56:06,000
requirements. So there's five things

4621
02:56:06,000 --> 02:56:08,160
here I'm just going to walk through and

4622
02:56:08,160 --> 02:56:09,920
then at the end if there's any questions

4623
02:56:09,920 --> 02:56:11,920
if not then what would happen I would

4624
02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:13,600
imagine after this meeting if there's no

4625
02:56:13,600 --> 02:56:16,080
additional amendments is I would send

4626
02:56:16,080 --> 02:56:18,800
this version to development services and

4627
02:56:18,800 --> 02:56:20,479
legal and they would incorporate it into

4628
02:56:20,479 --> 02:56:22,000
the zoning rewrite that's going to

4629
02:56:22,000 --> 02:56:25,520
planning commission I think next month

4630
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:27,600
and then it'll come to us in the fall

4631
02:56:27,600 --> 02:56:29,040
and so this would just be included

4632
02:56:29,040 --> 02:56:31,840
within that. So anyway now we'll go

4633
02:56:31,840 --> 02:56:34,800
through those. Um, this first one here

4634
02:56:34,800 --> 02:56:36,560
at the bottom, this first amendment,

4635
02:56:36,560 --> 02:56:39,840
this one is

4636
02:56:39,840 --> 02:56:43,200
um, a very nicely worded thing that

4637
02:56:43,200 --> 02:56:48,319
Brian did to allow external ADUs as they

4638
02:56:48,319 --> 02:56:52,080
exist currently in our code within that

4639
02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:55,359
um, allowed map and the other specified

4640
02:56:55,359 --> 02:56:57,840
areas. But then also in addition to

4641
02:56:57,840 --> 02:57:00,000
those,

4642
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:01,920
okay, well, we can't go back. So in

4643
02:57:01,920 --> 02:57:04,319
addition to those also

4644
02:57:04,319 --> 02:57:06,880
now also external ADUs are allowed in

4645
02:57:06,880 --> 02:57:08,960
the areas that the state is mandating.

4646
02:57:08,960 --> 02:57:10,399
So that's all that that is. It's just

4647
02:57:10,399 --> 02:57:11,920
compliance with state code. So that's

4648
02:57:11,920 --> 02:57:15,359
the first one. The second change didn't

4649
02:57:15,359 --> 02:57:17,279
change from the June 9th work meeting.

4650
02:57:17,279 --> 02:57:19,120
This is just that first motion the

4651
02:57:19,120 --> 02:57:21,680
council made which is parcel coverage.

4652
02:57:21,680 --> 02:57:25,680
So that's here. This is just the primary

4653
02:57:25,680 --> 02:57:27,840
drawing and any combined any other

4654
02:57:27,840 --> 02:57:30,560
accessory structures can't cover 40%. So

4655
02:57:30,560 --> 02:57:32,640
that didn't change. And then I'll also

4656
02:57:32,640 --> 02:57:34,240
go down to the other motion that didn't

4657
02:57:34,240 --> 02:57:36,240
change, which is the utility hookup.

4658
02:57:36,240 --> 02:57:38,560
This didn't change from June 9th. This

4659
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:41,040
is just saying that utilities, whether

4660
02:57:41,040 --> 02:57:42,800
connected to the primary dwelling or

4661
02:57:42,800 --> 02:57:44,960
separate, will be an administrative

4662
02:57:44,960 --> 02:57:47,680
based on public works is reviewing the

4663
02:57:47,680 --> 02:57:49,120
plans, what would be best for our

4664
02:57:49,120 --> 02:57:50,720
system.

4665
02:57:50,720 --> 02:57:53,840
Um the one that did change based on the

4666
02:57:53,840 --> 02:57:56,319
discussion that we had on the June 9th

4667
02:57:56,319 --> 02:57:59,040
meeting is the issue of privacy.

4668
02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:01,680
Originally in June 9th, we came back

4669
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:06,160
with an amendment that said if you have to have your height less than

4670
02:58:06,160 --> 02:58:09,279
the main dwelling and less than 25 ft

4671
02:58:09,279 --> 02:58:13,200
and for every foot if your accessory

4672
02:58:13,200 --> 02:58:15,520
dwelling unit is above 16 ft. Every foot

4673
02:58:15,520 --> 02:58:18,399
that is above it also has an have an

4674
02:58:18,399 --> 02:58:20,479
additional foot of setback. We had a

4675
02:58:20,479 --> 02:58:23,040
discussion how that might affect current

4676
02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:25,520
existing areas that allow external

4677
02:58:25,520 --> 02:58:27,760
dwelling units. for example, pioneer

4678
02:58:27,760 --> 02:58:29,600
neighborhoods where they have unique

4679
02:58:29,600 --> 02:58:31,680
parcels. They're not exactly they might

4680
02:58:31,680 --> 02:58:33,439
not be 11,000 square foot, but they

4681
02:58:33,439 --> 02:58:36,000
still could fit one and we don't want

4682
02:58:36,000 --> 02:58:39,040
them to make subject to this new

4683
02:58:39,040 --> 02:58:41,760
um these new requirements. So, we kind

4684
02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:44,240
of have two separate requirements here.

4685
02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:46,640
Um this is just saying for those

4686
02:58:46,640 --> 02:58:48,720
detached ADUs that are permitted under

4687
02:58:48,720 --> 02:58:51,600
the new state code, they are subject to

4688
02:58:51,600 --> 02:58:54,560
that if it's over one story, it has to

4689
02:58:54,560 --> 02:58:56,240
have additional setbacks. So that's what

4690
02:58:56,240 --> 02:58:57,279
we're talking about with

4691
02:58:57,279 --> 02:58:58,080
>> Yes. Okay.

4692
02:58:58,080 --> 02:58:59,680
>> But if they're not subject to that,

4693
02:58:59,680 --> 02:59:02,640
they're not addition to that, then

4694
02:59:02,640 --> 02:59:05,520
>> they are kind of under the existing,

4695
02:59:05,520 --> 02:59:06,080
>> right?

4696
02:59:06,080 --> 02:59:08,240
>> So everyone understand we're good with

4697
02:59:08,240 --> 02:59:11,938
that. Okay.

4698
02:59:11,948 --> 02:59:14,150
[laughter]

4699
02:59:14,160 --> 02:59:18,389
» Way to use your

4700
02:59:18,399 --> 02:59:23,840
» um I very much appreciate how this was structured. I think that was well

4701
02:59:23,840 --> 02:59:26,399
done. that addresses those concerns.

4702
02:59:26,399 --> 02:59:27,680
>> You did a great job.

4703
02:59:27,680 --> 02:59:31,120
>> I still But I [laughter] appreciate this

4704
02:59:31,120 --> 02:59:35,200
is very well done and meets what the

4705
02:59:35,200 --> 02:59:38,080
council as a whole is asking for.

4706
02:59:38,080 --> 02:59:39,920
>> I say that's genius to get something

4707
02:59:39,920 --> 02:59:42,080
personally benefiting you yet not voting

4708
02:59:42,080 --> 02:59:52,549
for it.

4709
02:59:52,559 --> 02:59:54,319
» [laughter]

4710
02:59:54,319 --> 02:59:57,120
>> I'm kicking my leg for anybody grandma's

4711
02:59:57,120 --> 03:00:01,429
or watches.

4712
03:00:01,439 --> 03:00:03,120
» Councelor Whipple, can can I ask why

4713
03:00:03,120 --> 03:00:06,880
you're so opposed to it? Um,

4714
03:00:06,880 --> 03:00:08,560
so the reason I would would still be

4715
03:00:08,560 --> 03:00:12,080
opposed to it is because it does make it

4716
03:00:12,080 --> 03:00:14,560
more restrictive and more difficult for

4717
03:00:14,560 --> 03:00:17,439
these properties that the state has said

4718
03:00:17,439 --> 03:00:19,920
should be allowed to do this to go ahead

4719
03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:24,319
and and meet that goal. Um,

4720
03:00:24,319 --> 03:00:25,439
that's that's really it.

4721
03:00:25,439 --> 03:00:27,120
>> So specifically just referring to the

4722
03:00:27,120 --> 03:00:30,800
setback requirement.

4723
03:00:30,800 --> 03:00:35,520
>> Um, yes. Yeah. So,

4724
03:00:35,520 --> 03:00:38,479
and I I recognize that the city does

4725
03:00:38,479 --> 03:00:42,160
have the right and the obligation to

4726
03:00:42,160 --> 03:00:44,000
do what they can to make sure that the

4727
03:00:44,000 --> 03:00:45,760
laws that are handed to us from the

4728
03:00:45,760 --> 03:00:48,240
state actually work within our city and

4729
03:00:48,240 --> 03:00:50,240
that we're continuing to protect our

4730
03:00:50,240 --> 03:00:52,240
residents and their quality of life and

4731
03:00:52,240 --> 03:00:54,080
things like that. And I recognize that

4732
03:00:54,080 --> 03:00:56,319
that's what my fellow counselors are are

4733
03:00:56,319 --> 03:00:59,359
trying to do. I have a different

4734
03:00:59,359 --> 03:01:01,520
perspective and maybe a slightly

4735
03:01:01,520 --> 03:01:04,560
different set of priorities based on my

4736
03:01:04,560 --> 03:01:07,040
neighbors that we're talking to and so I

4737
03:01:07,040 --> 03:01:09,279
disagree that this

4738
03:01:09,279 --> 03:01:13,040
does do that. Um

4739
03:01:13,040 --> 03:01:15,760
yeah, so it's it's just a a difference

4740
03:01:15,760 --> 03:01:17,520
of opinion because I'm differently

4741
03:01:17,520 --> 03:01:18,960
situated.

4742
03:01:18,960 --> 03:01:20,560
>> But your neighbors still have what they

4743
03:01:20,560 --> 03:01:21,920
want and

4744
03:01:21,920 --> 03:01:23,600
>> yes other neighborhoods

4745
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:26,720
>> because Yeah. And I recognize that these

4746
03:01:26,720 --> 03:01:31,040
height restrictions are because

4747
03:01:31,040 --> 03:01:32,800
many people have raised concerns about

4748
03:01:32,800 --> 03:01:34,479
having something tall looking over

4749
03:01:34,479 --> 03:01:38,720
another person's backyard. And I am very

4750
03:01:38,720 --> 03:01:41,040
grateful that this has been structured

4751
03:01:41,040 --> 03:01:44,240
so that it doesn't make

4752
03:01:44,240 --> 03:01:45,760
what was already the right to do a

4753
03:01:45,760 --> 03:01:47,760
detached ADU in properties where this

4754
03:01:47,760 --> 03:01:49,520
would be impossible. It doesn't take

4755
03:01:49,520 --> 03:01:51,600
that right away from them.

4756
03:01:51,600 --> 03:01:55,120
So, I I really am am appreciative. I

4757
03:01:55,120 --> 03:01:58,080
just think that we should make it easier

4758
03:01:58,080 --> 03:02:00,240
for people to be able to build these on

4759
03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:02,800
their properties throughout the city.

4760
03:02:02,800 --> 03:02:05,359
And that's just a fundamental different

4761
03:02:05,359 --> 03:02:07,680
policy position that you all know I

4762
03:02:07,680 --> 03:02:11,510
have. So, [laughter]

4763
03:02:11,520 --> 03:02:15,760
» so that that's it. But I really am

4764
03:02:15,760 --> 03:02:18,960
grateful for all of you for working

4765
03:02:18,960 --> 03:02:22,479
through this so that it meets your goals

4766
03:02:22,479 --> 03:02:30,800
and and I think reduces the harm that I brought to your attention. So

4767
03:02:30,800 --> 03:02:35,190
again, I'm so grateful.

4768
03:02:35,200 --> 03:02:39,760
Okay. The next change we will go to here

4769
03:02:39,760 --> 03:02:43,279
is parking. This is put in because the

4770
03:02:43,279 --> 03:02:46,399
state, if you remember, the state um is

4771
03:02:46,399 --> 03:02:49,920
limiting what we can require for parking

4772
03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:52,560
for those new external dwelling units to

4773
03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:56,000
two off streetet if the unit is 650T or

4774
03:02:56,000 --> 03:02:59,279
larger or just one if it's 650 ft or

4775
03:02:59,279 --> 03:03:03,439
less. Brian very smartly just had us

4776
03:03:03,439 --> 03:03:05,439
reference state code so if those parking

4777
03:03:05,439 --> 03:03:06,720
requirements change then it

4778
03:03:06,720 --> 03:03:07,920
automatically is update and we don't

4779
03:03:07,920 --> 03:03:11,120
have to come back here. So, and then the

4780
03:03:11,120 --> 03:03:12,960
final line, if you notice this final

4781
03:03:12,960 --> 03:03:15,120
line, this is just to clean up. This

4782
03:03:15,120 --> 03:03:17,760
also mentions utilities being in a

4783
03:03:17,760 --> 03:03:19,760
separate name. That may or may not

4784
03:03:19,760 --> 03:03:21,200
happen depending again on the

4785
03:03:21,200 --> 03:03:23,760
administrative input public works

4786
03:03:23,760 --> 03:03:25,040
depending on utilities.

4787
03:03:25,040 --> 03:03:26,640
>> Oh, so we haven't got their okay on that

4788
03:03:26,640 --> 03:03:27,279
yet.

4789
03:03:27,279 --> 03:03:29,040
>> No, we have. This is just cleaning up

4790
03:03:29,040 --> 03:03:32,319
code that way. Earlier it says it can be

4791
03:03:32,319 --> 03:03:34,319
whatever and this says no, it has to be

4792
03:03:34,319 --> 03:03:35,760
separate. So,

4793
03:03:35,760 --> 03:03:37,680
>> it's just to mirror earlier in the

4794
03:03:37,680 --> 03:03:39,840
section. Yes. Council,

4795
03:03:39,840 --> 03:03:41,279
>> can you just remind me of one thing you

4796
03:03:41,279 --> 03:03:43,122
just said? I want to make sure I recall

4797
03:03:43,122 --> 03:03:44,319
[clears throat] correctly. Is

4798
03:03:44,319 --> 03:03:47,120
>> if it's over 650 square feet, we can't

4799
03:03:47,120 --> 03:03:49,439
require more than two stalls.

4800
03:03:49,439 --> 03:03:51,760
>> You can only require two off- streetet

4801
03:03:51,760 --> 03:03:52,800
parking.

4802
03:03:52,800 --> 03:03:53,200
>> Okay.

4803
03:03:53,200 --> 03:03:54,399
>> So, they're Yeah.

4804
03:03:54,399 --> 03:03:57,279
>> Under the new extra dwelling units that

4805
03:03:57,279 --> 03:03:59,040
are permitted through state.

4806
03:03:59,040 --> 03:04:00,399
>> Okay.

4807
03:04:00,399 --> 03:04:02,800
>> So, there's like a bunch of different

4808
03:04:02,800 --> 03:04:05,279
ADUs that are now allowed under chapter

4809
03:04:05,279 --> 03:04:06,880
1443.

4810
03:04:06,880 --> 03:04:08,720
I want to make a chart when this is all

4811
03:04:08,720 --> 03:04:10,319
done so it's very easy because at

4812
03:04:10,319 --> 03:04:11,840
neighborhood meetings sometimes it does

4813
03:04:11,840 --> 03:04:13,760
get confusing trying to just explain it

4814
03:04:13,760 --> 03:04:14,960
verbally.

4815
03:04:14,960 --> 03:04:18,800
>> So a chart would be very helpful.

4816
03:04:18,800 --> 03:04:20,800
>> Councelor Bogdan that brings up a

4817
03:04:20,800 --> 03:04:22,319
question.

4818
03:04:22,319 --> 03:04:25,040
>> We have to have this passed by October

4819
03:04:25,040 --> 03:04:26,080
1st.

4820
03:04:26,080 --> 03:04:28,319
>> So would you be able to have a chart

4821
03:04:28,319 --> 03:04:31,120
available to add to this so that it can

4822
03:04:31,120 --> 03:04:32,640
just

4823
03:04:32,640 --> 03:04:35,920
>> well adopt it all together? I would

4824
03:04:35,920 --> 03:04:37,760
recommend not putting a chart in code

4825
03:04:37,760 --> 03:04:39,120
because then if we have to update

4826
03:04:39,120 --> 03:04:40,720
anything or state code updates then our

4827
03:04:40,720 --> 03:04:42,160
code would be out of date. Okay.

4828
03:04:42,160 --> 03:04:44,080
>> I was just thinking a chart we can push

4829
03:04:44,080 --> 03:04:45,840
out on social media or in neighborhood

4830
03:04:45,840 --> 03:04:49,040
meetings ADUs come up a lot that we can

4831
03:04:49,040 --> 03:04:50,880
just easily reference and give people

4832
03:04:50,880 --> 03:04:54,399
kind of a a quick cheat sheet in

4833
03:04:54,399 --> 03:04:55,680
addition to the code.

4834
03:04:55,680 --> 03:04:58,240
>> Gotcha. Okay. Thanks.

4835
03:04:58,240 --> 03:05:02,319
>> Yeah. So, if there's no discussion on

4836
03:05:02,319 --> 03:05:04,160
these, this is really just the only

4837
03:05:04,160 --> 03:05:07,200
change here. Then, like I said, we'll

4838
03:05:07,200 --> 03:05:08,720
just forward this on to development

4839
03:05:08,720 --> 03:05:10,160
services who will include it in the

4840
03:05:10,160 --> 03:05:12,000
zoning rewrite and then it'll be part of

4841
03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:17,349
that package later this fall.

4842
03:05:17,359 --> 03:05:20,240
We have so we have just this will be

4843
03:05:20,240 --> 03:05:22,240
answered by the chart but basically the

4844
03:05:22,240 --> 03:05:24,160
internal ADUs that were previously

4845
03:05:24,160 --> 03:05:27,760
allowed by ADU the old ADU over actually

4846
03:05:27,760 --> 03:05:30,479
have more restrictive Austri parking

4847
03:05:30,479 --> 03:05:33,359
requirements than these new ads.

4848
03:05:33,359 --> 03:05:36,240
>> Yes.

4849
03:05:36,240 --> 03:05:38,720
>> All right. So

4850
03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:40,720
I'll make a motion that we just bring

4851
03:05:40,720 --> 03:05:42,960
this to a night meeting.

4852
03:05:42,960 --> 03:05:44,319
>> Well, we'll just put it in the zoning

4853
03:05:44,319 --> 03:05:45,920
reite and then it'll just be part of

4854
03:05:45,920 --> 03:05:48,160
that. There just be one less planning

4855
03:05:48,160 --> 03:05:50,080
application to push through.

4856
03:05:50,080 --> 03:05:51,680
>> No, I think we're good. We're good.

4857
03:05:51,680 --> 03:05:53,520
>> Yeah. I don't if you want to make a

4858
03:05:53,520 --> 03:05:56,000
motion, but I think that was our intent.

4859
03:05:56,000 --> 03:05:57,600
>> Okay.

4860
03:05:57,600 --> 03:05:59,760
>> Perfect.

4861
03:05:59,760 --> 03:06:02,399
>> Yeah. Nice. Nicely done.

4862
03:06:02,399 --> 03:06:04,160
>> All right. Thanks everyone. Um if

4863
03:06:04,160 --> 03:06:05,359
there's no object, we do not have a

4864
03:06:05,359 --> 03:06:08,319
closed meeting. Correct.

4865
03:06:08,319 --> 03:06:09,920
>> If no objection, we'll now adjourn. The

4866
03:06:09,920 --> 03:06:11,680
province will council by unanimous

4867
03:06:11,680 --> 03:06:15,429
consent.

4868
03:06:15,439 --> 03:06:17,520
» Great. on Friday.

4869
03:06:17,520 --> 03:06:18,479
>> Recording stops

4870
03:06:18,479 --> 03:06:25,349
>> at 7:30. I mean 7 a.m.

4871
03:06:25,359 --> 03:06:29,030
» Didn't you see that?

4872
03:06:29,040 --> 03:06:32,200
» I just