1 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,920 My next question. Rachel, are you ready for us? 2 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:34,480 » Welcome. So glad you're here. Um Emily Taylor is going to 3 00:00:29,599 --> 00:00:42,360 lead us in a prayer and then um Jason Baso is going to lead us in the pledge 4 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,360 of allegiance. Come forward, Emily. 5 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,239 » Our father in heaven, we're so thankful that we can meet in such peaceful 6 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:55,440 circumstances and be able to discuss important issues in our area of the city 7 00:00:53,280 --> 00:01:00,480 of Provo. We pray that we'll be guided by wisdom and 8 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:05,680 kindness and that we will also be able to speak with clarity and listen to each 9 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:10,960 other to create better solutions for ourselves and those around us and the 10 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:15,360 the entire this region. We thank thee for our many blessings especially 11 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:19,759 freedom of conscience and the ability to choose. We say this in the name of Jesus 12 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:23,640 Christ. Amen. Amen. >> Thank you Emily Jason. 13 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:45,040 I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and the stands one 14 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:48,040 indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 15 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:56,320 All right, I want to take just a second because I just pulled this up on my 16 00:01:52,880 --> 00:02:02,320 phone. See if I can find it again to mention. Thank you for coming. Those 17 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:07,680 of you who don't know, we are the North District. And I want to take a second to 18 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:11,440 kind of point out your representatives. So, in case you're unaware, North Tim 19 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:15,440 View is Bonnie Marorrow and Jennifer Griffin. They're both excused tonight 20 00:02:12,959 --> 00:02:21,440 because they both found things out of town. Sorry. Um, Riverbottoms because 21 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:26,319 you are here. Raise your hand. Pop up real quick. Emily Taylor and Jeff 22 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:31,440 Olsson. Stand up real quick. Okay. And then Sherwood Hills. We have Richard 23 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:36,959 Pratt. I know I saw you. There you are. And a vacant seat. If you're interested, 24 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:41,680 you're from that area. We'd love to get you on our board. Um, Riverside is 25 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:50,800 Robert Hammond. I didn't see that, but okay. and Doug L. 26 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:58,120 Edgemont is Charman and Scott Murray and Indian Hills is Becca Curl 27 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,120 and Ro 28 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:05,319 Canyon is Paul Warner and Zack Hold. 29 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:16,560 Okay, [clears throat] I try. And then of view is Lynn Sorenson who is addicted 30 00:03:13,519 --> 00:03:23,280 was also a town family thing and and we have oh sorry the applied for that 31 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:29,920 position was it it was Jensen but I can't remember his surname 32 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:34,159 » Daniel Jensen has applied um if you have comments you want to say ho this is who 33 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:38,400 we want there's a place to do that online do you want to chime in there how 34 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:42,319 do we do that make a comment we know Daniel would be great so 35 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:46,959 » the the best thing to do is to contact the city council at councilprovote.gov. 36 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,519 Okay. >> Um and to give your feedback if you 37 00:03:48,799 --> 00:03:58,879 think he would be a representative for president on the north district. 38 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:04,720 » Okay. So there you go. And and just for your FYI, my turn's up in December 31st. 39 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:08,400 So if you want to do edge area, you can apply for this. 40 00:04:06,799 --> 00:04:13,360 » Not that you'll be automatically the chair. So don't be afraid of it. You'll 41 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:18,400 be on the board. they reelect the board chair vice chair every year. Um so 42 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:24,720 there's our plug. We're gonna start out with bird giving us results of traffic 43 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:31,560 studies or authority studies. Um and then we'll turn the time over to 44 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,560 officer Hutchinson and 45 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,280 do you want mic that way? 46 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:50,199 Okay, we have three studies, two graphic studies and definitive studies tonight 47 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:50,199 studies 48 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:58,639 probably this will be on all three studies that I 49 00:04:55,919 --> 00:05:02,880 show. So I'm just going to pause here. Let's take a look at the definitions of 50 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:08,720 what average speed [snorts] means, what the 85th percentile means, the volume. I 51 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:13,199 think we all know what number of vehicles are. And then the directional 52 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:17,759 distribution or directional split, that's the direction of percentage 53 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:21,560 travel northbound versus southbound or eastbound versus westbound. 54 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:31,039 Okay, with that um banning drive which um runs from Cherokee down actually this 55 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:36,320 is uh not Cherokee Cher here but we studying 56 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:44,000 banning tri request for banning drive down from temp 57 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:47,880 to uh think that's no but it's not um so close what is it 58 00:05:47,919 --> 00:05:55,520 » and uh we take a look at that is just a local street. It's fairly steep uh 59 00:05:53,199 --> 00:06:00,080 especially on the curb. Uh so we looked at our craft jade over 60 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:05,680 the last uh three years and we've had one crash that's been reported. You can 61 00:06:02,479 --> 00:06:10,560 see it's in 2023. No injuries, property damage only. It was a sides swap and 62 00:06:08,479 --> 00:06:16,160 sideswiped in the opposite direction and weather related. And you can see that 63 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:22,240 it's wet, snowing, and during the day. Um this is where the batch location 64 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:27,680 happened. So near the infection, which quite frankly I would have thought 65 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:33,360 maybe it might have been coming down the C grade. It wasn't. Uh this is our 66 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:39,039 monitoring location. This is where we uh put our traffic colors out. We'll take a 67 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:44,479 look at our um volume and our speed of the vehicles. 68 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:50,240 So we looked at about 60 hours, 59 hours for 3 days posted to 11 is 25. Our 69 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:56,319 northbound average speed was 29, but our 85th percentile was 33. Our southbound 70 00:06:53,280 --> 00:07:01,759 was 30 per average speed and our 85th percentile was 34. So overall, we're 71 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:09,199 looking at the 2933, which is an awful or unexpected for a steep grade of 8%. 72 00:07:06,479 --> 00:07:15,360 Um, that's not too bad. Um, I always like to show this. Um, this is the 73 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:21,919 highest speed that was registered. Um, you can see that some bad apples were 74 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:27,840 doing 41 to 45 and then we had five do 46 to 50 in that category. Um, I look at 75 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:34,400 those and I usually look at the times associated with those. Um, they can be 76 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:39,520 any hour of day. Most of them tend to be at 10:00 to 1:00 77 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:45,199 a.m. in the morning, 10:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. But I even see 3 in the afternoon. 78 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:50,319 So when a resident calls me and says they're doing 50 or 60 miles an hour on 79 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:57,199 my street, I believe them because I see this data right now. Not everybody is 80 00:07:53,199 --> 00:08:01,840 going that fast. Just a couple bouts. So we turn to look at the volumes. I 81 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:08,639 think people are always astonished by how much or how little traffic there are 82 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:12,639 on the road where they live. And so um okay looking at northbound a little bit 83 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:18,080 more going northbound versus southbound on a daily basis. So it's a 4852 is the 84 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:23,080 directional distribution. So you have 1,700 vehicles a day on Matt drive. 85 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:31,440 Uh just in summary that's our average speed and our 85th percentile and what 86 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:36,640 the total number of vehicles were. Um, as I went out there, I noticed that we 87 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:41,279 have no curve warning signs in advance of the curve. And so, we'll be putting a 88 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:45,680 work order. In fact, I've already submitted the work order for these two 89 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:50,959 signs. Um, I expect to see them up in August 99. We're really busy doing 90 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:56,560 painting for school crosswalk right now. Um, so I'll share this with the Provo 91 00:08:53,760 --> 00:09:01,360 City Police Department for any traffic enforcement to see if they have an 92 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:07,040 opportunity to deploy um or their radar if they're put out there to align people 93 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:13,440 going southbound or westbound um that they're keep their street under control. 94 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:20,000 Okay, that's it for that one. Let's go to Cherokee Lane. 95 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:30,720 Again, same definitions. Cherokee. Um, it runs all the way from 96 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:38,000 um from Navajo to Earthquake. So, right here Navajo comes all the way around and 97 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:42,800 down and ends up here at Cherokee. And I had that marked in the PowerPoint 98 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:47,360 when I exported the PDF. It didn't show up. And I'm a little frustrated. So, 99 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:52,959 I'll figure that out eventually. Uh, Cherokee is just a local street. did not 100 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:57,839 reflect the shri or anything that uh so crash data we looked at the last 101 00:09:54,959 --> 00:10:02,399 two years. We had one crash in 2024 that reported again it was a no injury 102 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:07,360 property damage only uh but it was speed related um and weather related. Uh they 103 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:14,320 were driving too fast for conditions probably and so the roadway departure. 104 00:10:11,839 --> 00:10:18,399 Uh here's where the crash occurred. As you know, if you drive a turkey, you're 105 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:24,560 coming down the hill right there a little bit and you're trying to get 106 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:30,720 ready to break in case there's cars on an earthquake. And so that's where that 107 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:38,440 uh accident happened. This is where we deployed our uh traffic 108 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,440 uh data collection. 109 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:46,560 And so what do we end up with? Actually speeds are very good on Cherokee. Uh the 110 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:51,680 most speed is 25 miles an hour. Uh we looked at the speed for average was 18. 111 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:57,120 Going northbound, southbound is only 20. So 23 to 25 112 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:03,680 percentile respectively. So overall is 19 and 24 miles an hour. Uh for the 8th 113 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:08,000 percentile that's outstanding. Um and so I just wanted to show you that we did 114 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:14,720 have one of each direction that was going 306 to 40. However, 115 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:19,760 um we look at the number of vehicles here, less than a thousand vehicles a 116 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:26,640 day on Cherokee. Um that's a really nice calm rate. 117 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:31,440 What I wanted to show was that um some of the streets up there are missing 118 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:36,640 traffic control devices. So, we'll put in a work order. will be installing a 119 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:44,959 yield sign on Mojave, a yield sign on Mohawk, a yield sign on Moikin, and then 120 00:11:40,959 --> 00:11:53,440 a stop sign on Cherokee as it comes in um to um 14. 121 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:57,360 So anyway, that's where we're at. Um that's that one, but we got some 122 00:11:55,279 --> 00:12:02,320 improvements to do with our mobile devices. It's always nice to have yield 123 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:10,560 sign letting people know who does have the right way and who does great. 124 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:15,839 Okay, our 18 3700 North Prop um we basically had a request if you can get a 125 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:19,040 little on this um it was a school crosswalk 126 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:23,839 and uh it didn't warrant a school crosswalk any longer. We had two 127 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:28,399 children using it to head to school either at Edgemont or whatever. uh met 128 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:32,959 with the school community council and the school district on this and informed 129 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:37,760 them of the situation and that we would be removing uh the school crosswalk. We 130 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:43,839 have removed the school crosswalk. We are converting it to a a regular 131 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:50,560 pedestrian crosswalk and um so they said hey you know the road the speed on this 132 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:56,480 is 30 and you know we want to feel safer crosses in the road. So I took a look at 133 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:02,480 um the functional classification on 180 is just local street but 3700 north is a 134 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:08,560 very busy busy collector right and so in order to have uncontrolled 135 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:13,120 crossing location that is marked crosswalk I have certain criteria that I 136 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:17,519 have to follow. We look at the number of to death an hour during peak hour. So, 137 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:24,560 I'll I'll put our cameras out there for like three or four days and then I take 138 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:31,040 the highest peak hour of the pedestrian path. So, that's good, right? We take 139 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:35,440 the highest peak hour and we do that number there. And then I look at the 140 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:39,839 gaps. I look at the highest level of transit. There's no trans on this 141 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:44,560 corridor. Adjacent land uses. It's all residential distance crossing crash 142 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:51,760 history site distance. And then I got a point system where I can avoid or uh not 143 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:56,639 imple implement a crosswalk. So uh the peak hour was a Sunday afternoon. Uh we 144 00:13:54,639 --> 00:14:02,160 had quite a few pedestrians while we got there. 145 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:08,399 64 to be exact on that peak hour. It's a nice summer day. Um and so we have 99 146 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:12,959 usable gaps which accounts for 36 seconds between cars. 36 seconds is more 147 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:17,279 than enough time to walk across the street. Um so you don't get a lot of 148 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:21,600 points there. highest trans on the corridor. We talked about the non 149 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:29,360 residential the next closest distance to markwalk pretty 150 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:34,480 blocks, right? And so our crash data, we had one crash reported in 2024. Again, 151 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:38,079 it's no injury, property damage. Um, someone was either turning right or 152 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:43,279 yielding to a pedestrian crosswalk and got rear ended. Uh, it was dry, clear 153 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:47,680 daylight. Uh, zero pedestrian crashes. But here's where that crash occurred. 154 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:51,160 right here. Here's the crosswalk that we're talking about. 155 00:14:51,839 --> 00:14:59,120 So, in our evaluation, they scored 30 points, the maximum you can get 156 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:04,240 basically for pedestrian crossing. Uh the gaps only one point. The crossing 157 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:08,480 scored four points because it's two blocks away from the nearest crossing. 158 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:14,160 They scored 35 points. Equal to or greater than 30 points warrants the the 159 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:18,399 crosswalk. So when we cut the signs, we converted the school crosswalk to the 160 00:15:16,079 --> 00:15:22,959 pedestrian crosswalk. And then um because of the speed and the number of 161 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:27,760 people crossing there, um it's going to qualify for low pedestrian enhancements, 162 00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:32,720 which includes a push button pedestrian activated uh blocking maintenance. Now, 163 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:36,880 I want to get those in, but I got to tell you, before I can get those in, I 164 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:42,160 have to do concrete work. I have to go out bid and go through all the hoops, 165 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:47,279 but I have put in ADA ramps. Neither side has ADA ramps where that crosswalk 166 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:54,320 is. So, we'll be putting in ADA ramps. Once the ADA ADA ramps are in, uh they 167 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:59,040 they get that fixed, then we'll go ahead and put in the red paper flashing 168 00:15:57,279 --> 00:16:05,680 beacons. And I think you're really going to like those. Uh we'll install two 30 169 00:16:02,959 --> 00:16:13,120 mph speed limit signs. Uh it's a little confusing actually. Um there's a 25 mph 170 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:19,839 eastbound sign right there about a block east of the crosswalk. And I don't know 171 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:25,519 why it's there. It's so um 30 mph is the the speed limit for the road. And we'll 172 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:28,560 post one about 150 ft east of University Avenue because the speed limit on 173 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:32,560 University Avenue at this location I believe is about 40 45 miles an hour. 174 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:37,360 And so as they come off that they need to know what the new speed limit or what 175 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:43,199 the speed limit on that road is. And then same thing off of town view.5 176 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:49,199 but uh they'll come off that and there's pretty peel went up to Canyon and not 177 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:57,360 take and so that's going to be 30 as well. So right there between Canyon 178 00:16:53,440 --> 00:17:03,040 and University Avenue is a 30 m hour. So, in summary, uh the marked crosswalk 179 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,360 did warrant a marked crosswalk and uh we'll be putting those flashing beacons 180 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:14,319 up there and uh we'll be doing new pedestrian concrete ramps there and 181 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:20,959 that's it. So, Jennifer, I don't know if we any comments or questions, Sharon, 182 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:23,959 anymore or where we're at. Um, I don't need 183 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:31,079 » Hey, I have a super quick question just 184 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:38,160 » um I just wanted to thank you for getting on the set and I see that all of 185 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:42,480 it is moving forward. I just had two quick well one quick question. A lot of 186 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:48,000 the data in all of these that you cited was 2022 to 2024. Is that because there 187 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:51,280 were no accidents in 2025 or 2026 or are you just using that data set? Just to 188 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:55,880 understand because it looked like it was pretty standard across all of them. 189 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:05,919 » Um so when it comes to um most of the crosswalk data I look at 190 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:12,000 five years. I think I had five years on that one. Um but the speed just a 191 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:17,760 regular traffic study is three years. Um it used to be about three or four years 192 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:25,520 before you get this data. They're down to about six months. So just this week 193 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:30,720 they released the 2025 data. So from now on my the ones I haven't already 194 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:35,440 completed the new ones will show the last three years counting 2025. 195 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:40,160 » So I use the latest and greatest data that we have um with the with the state 196 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:45,120 of Utah. >> Thanks. Okay. So, 197 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:48,720 to answer your question, Bernard, we're going to move on since we're already 198 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:53,039 behind schedule. And if you have a question or comment about any of that 199 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:57,120 data, that's part of why I introduced your reps to you just before we started. 200 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:01,679 Contact them if you know them. If you don't, reach out to Rachel Breen and she 201 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:07,120 will get your info for contact. Rachel's raising her hand. So, um Rachel, what's 202 00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:12,400 your email? >> RBRinprovo.gov. 203 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:16,480 So there you go. If you have a comment, write that down. That's what you can do 204 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:23,280 for this meeting. As we zoom through, Officer Hutchinson and Hum, run on up 205 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:28,440 here. Come on down. Um, and then we will be hearing from 206 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,440 Malia. 207 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:36,760 Look, we got some ears. Can't get away with not talking. 208 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,000 introducing 209 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:48,880 yourselves. >> Good afternoon. I'm 210 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:51,440 » talking close to start. 211 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,960 » I'm officer Hudson with the pro police department. I'm the community resource 212 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:58,240 officer for what the police department considers district one because we only 213 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:03,039 have three community resource officers which your guys area falls into what my 214 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:06,320 area would be. Just to put in perspective, everything east of the 215 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:10,400 freeway and north of 500 north is my area. That's what I'm responsible for as 216 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:14,160 a community resource officer. Um, what we do is that we focus on long-term 217 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,919 quality of life issues. So, things that patrol routinely responds to over and 218 00:20:15,919 --> 00:20:22,640 over again. Becomes our job to try and handle such things. Um, the reason that 219 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:26,960 we're here tonight is so that we can actually inform you guys of some of the 220 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,240 resources available throughout the city that you guys might be able to take 221 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:36,840 advantage of as well as speak to our special needs registry. So, I'll let 222 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:36,840 Officer count introduce himself. 223 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:41,240 Can you hear me if I don't use this? 224 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:52,720 » Sorry, I offended people sometimes. I don't have a film, so I apologize 225 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:58,400 advance. I'm Dave. I did a short period of time, nine months. Um, we have 226 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:03,840 started a new program here for mental health. So, my specific role is central 227 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:08,640 outreach. whatever you can think of that pertains to me. It's a very large 228 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:14,880 umbrella. It's not can point to one specific thing. So, in a nutshell, if I 229 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:19,200 can respond to someone in crisis as I do, not always the case. Most of my work 230 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:24,000 is followup. So, anybody who you've admitted to the hospital or like a psych 231 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:29,200 psychiatric email, I follow up with them. Um, families with severely 232 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:34,640 mentally ill, whatever that looks like, I follow up with them. There's methods 233 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:40,240 and ways to get individuals help throughout the city. I work with 234 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:45,679 addicts. So, recovering addicts, anybody in in addiction, I reach out to them. I 235 00:21:43,919 --> 00:21:51,280 often set people that work out with addicts. 236 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:57,200 But I get judged by working out. So, whatever. Um, and then special need, 237 00:21:55,120 --> 00:22:01,919 which officer will will discuss a little bit. So my 238 00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:05,760 job is just getting information out to people, letting them know that we care 239 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:12,080 and that there are things not only here in town but all over the county. 240 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:15,600 Here in town we have a crisis center at Behavioral Health. It's the receiving 241 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:22,159 center and fellow by Flax Summit. We have Vantage Point which is also through 242 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:27,600 WAC for kids 12 to 17. There are plenty of addiction recovery resources. We have 243 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:34,080 Arduatient treatment right here in town. Um, we have Pit to Recover, which is 244 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:38,240 where I claim to work out. Um, we have right here in town. 245 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:42,400 We have the Boys and Girls Club. There are so many things right here in town 246 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:48,880 that people don't know of. So, my job is to get that out there. Uh, again, a lot 247 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:55,280 of my agency patrol as well. I monitor what goes on. They'll send me emails or 248 00:22:52,159 --> 00:23:01,039 frequent flyers that are calling in with conspiracy issues that really pertain to 249 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:08,799 a mental illness. Those those don't to me. Um I'm not a therapist. I have six 250 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:14,159 plus years in the mental health world. I'm an autistic child. I may or may not 251 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:18,400 be mentally ill depending on the day. >> Yes. 252 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:22,559 Making class, which she hadn't realized yet. Well, 253 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:28,640 So that that's kind of what we do. It's it's a new program in Provo. It it's my 254 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:32,159 passion. Don't know why. Uh after doing it in the prison for for years, I 255 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:37,120 thought I had enough of it, but I seem to just get drawn back in. So embrace 256 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:42,159 it. Here we go. But just know we care. We're out there. If you have somebody 257 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:46,960 suffering, I always say you are not the the mental illness you suffer from. You 258 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:51,440 are not the drug you are addicted to. There is a person in there. And so we'll 259 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:56,240 try to find them personally. Fine tune them. I I go to therapy. I get fine 260 00:23:53,840 --> 00:24:00,559 tuned every every two weeks. That's why I call it a tuneup. So just know that 261 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:07,360 we're out there. We're watching. If there are specific concerns, I can't get 262 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:12,159 all the calls. I don't work weekends. Um but if patrol you or your loved ones or 263 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:17,880 something, there's a high chance that you'll see me within hopefully a short 264 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,880 period of time. 265 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,919 All right. So my role in this is that I assist officer Halum when he needs an 266 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:30,080 officer to assist him and go to these things. And then I have a passion 267 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:33,760 project that I started 3 four years ago which was to him through our special 268 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:37,039 needs registry. So I found out about three four years ago that our special 269 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:40,720 needs registry actually wasn't working. Um our online form was just kind of 270 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:45,039 disappearing in the ether. Luckily we were able to find all those forms and 271 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:48,400 follow up with them. Uh, but I've done a lot of improvements to that over the 272 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:53,679 years and gotten a lot of people on the registry. I know that it might sound 273 00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:58,080 like a bad thing, especially registry. All it does is that it provides us with 274 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:02,000 information for you or your loved ones that might need additional help, right? 275 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:06,559 People with autism that are known to wander or non-verbal are a great 276 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,360 example. So we have a lot of autistic children with improv that have been 277 00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:14,960 known to wander in the middle of the night and patrol finding them in the 278 00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:18,080 middle of the road 3,000 north on the a no idea where they came from. They can't 279 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,200 tell them where they came from. We end up with these children for five six 280 00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:24,720 hours before we wait for parents to wake up until we can figure out how to get 281 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:29,279 them home. The idea with this registry is that as the parents provide us the 282 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,799 information, the information is stored with the police department same way that 283 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,640 anyone's information is. If you've gotten a speeding ticket, we technically 284 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:40,000 have your name and tells us that you got a speeding ticket, right? It's it's 285 00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:43,840 stored the same way. Officers can then use that information and based on a 286 00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:49,120 description within what we call Spillman, which is our software that um 287 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:55,279 allows us to respond to calls, keep track of reports, things of that nature. 288 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:58,960 It allows us to look up the individual by description by saying putting in 289 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:03,279 there that they're between 5'2 and 5 foot six, have brown hair, typically 290 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:06,799 wear glasses, and then officers can go through and find that individual with 291 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:09,600 and using photos that are shared with them can actually reunite this 292 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:14,880 individual with their loved ones sooner. Right? It reduces the chance of the 293 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,520 child becoming upset and being traumatized because they're separated 294 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,600 from their parents at the police department. Don't don't know what's 295 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:26,240 going on. And then obviously helps the parents because we can quickly re 296 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:29,120 reunite them. Um, and it's effective not just for that, but it's also great for 297 00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:32,240 individuals that may be suffering from dementia, things of that nature, right? 298 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:36,320 Anyone that's known to longer, as well as those with special needs that might 299 00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:39,919 need a special response. So if you or a loved one are especially sensitive to 300 00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:43,760 light and noise, that's good for us to know. And we keep that in our local 301 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:48,159 file, as what we call it. So if your address pops up that we need to respond 302 00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:51,679 to your address, dispatch can read the notes on that and say, "Oh, hey, when 303 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:56,400 you go there, do not have your lights and sirens running." Right? It could 304 00:26:53,520 --> 00:27:00,880 have caused an epileptic seizure or any situation worse, things of that nature. 305 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,600 Um, what we need help with after years of working and improving this, we're 306 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,600 actually working on making this more of a countywide effort and sharing it with 307 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,720 our fellow agencies. So what we need from you guys is to go out and spread 308 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:15,520 the word. So share it with your loved ones here in Provo as well as elsewhere. 309 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:19,679 If other agencies don't have a special need registry within their agency, they 310 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,880 can use ours and we it'll get uploaded to Spillman and that filament 311 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,320 information is shared countywide. But we really need you guys to go out and push 312 00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:30,159 the word for these things because then we can have a better response and better 313 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,520 serve the community. So that's kind of why we're here. I think Rachel said that 314 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:37,679 there's a special need registry cards outside. You'll see them. They're blue 315 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,640 on the back for the QR code. That's so that way individuals I want to utilize 316 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:45,679 registry scans that it takes them straight to the website. Um or it can 317 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,159 just be found at provo.gov. Click the police department section. Right there 318 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,720 at the front there's a box that says special need registry has a bunch of 319 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:56,080 information. If you have any questions I think someone said that my cards were 320 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,039 outside. If not I'll put some out. Yes. So Rachel said that my cards are 321 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:03,279 outside. Feel free to shoot me an email. Um I do get a lot of emails because I 322 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:08,159 cover about half of Provo. So it might take me a while to respond to you but I 323 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:13,799 will respond to you. I promise. So I think that's about all we have. 324 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,799 » Thank you so much. 325 00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:20,360 » And here comes Malia. 326 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:33,120 » Hi everyone. My name is Malia. I'm a policy analyst in the council office. I 327 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:38,080 know this slide is really busy and busy. I'm so sorry. I tried to make it 328 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:44,159 comprehensive for everyone, but I was asked to give an update on 329 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:50,080 just the update to detach ADU accessory dwelling unit code for Provo City. So 330 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:56,960 during this past legislative session in March, the state passed a law um that 331 00:28:54,240 --> 00:29:02,159 mandated some changes that all cities have to make for their detached ADUs. So 332 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:07,360 those state mandated changes are with a red aster and then everything in blue is 333 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:12,000 any changes that were made at all. So this is for just the tax. So internal 334 00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:16,880 which is like in the basement or it's part of the home we didn't make any 335 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:20,320 changes the council making changes and the state making changes. So that's 336 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:25,120 completely the same >> is au stand. 337 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:29,679 » Great question. It means accessory unit. So think like 338 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:34,240 you have a basement and you want to rent out a basement but you're living in the 339 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:39,840 top then that would be an AU. Or if you have so a detached ADU would be like I 340 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:43,039 have my house and then I have a garage and it's a twotory garage and above it 341 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:48,559 I'm going to build a little apartment and rent it out. So that would be a 342 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:55,840 detached ADU. Something like that. Good question. Sorry. Um, so everything 343 00:29:53,039 --> 00:30:00,080 in blue are changes and then I just the red and yellow is just to say whether 344 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:05,600 the council initiated that change or the red is the state did. So the big ones 345 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:11,200 here um the state mandated reducing the 346 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:16,799 parking requirements. So the max is only two off streetet parking spaces if the 347 00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:22,240 unit is larger than 650 or one if it's less. And then this is a really new 348 00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:26,640 change and we have a map on the city website that's interactive and you can 349 00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:30,159 see what purpose qualify or done for detached. 350 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:36,399 The biggest change is here where detached 80s are allowed. So now it's 351 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:41,840 any parcel in the city that is 11,000 square ft or greater and allows single 352 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:48,240 family dwellings. So that is a lot of parcels. It increased a lot. So you can 353 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:54,080 go to that map online and you can see where that is. 354 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:57,600 » Malia, to that point, if you fall in that category, you can't just start 355 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,520 building now because you think you're cute. There's still you still have to go 356 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:06,159 through the process. Go to the city, get your permit, get your rental license, 357 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:10,320 get >> So just because you qualify under the 358 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:15,200 zone, you also have to qualify under the general regulations and the set 359 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:21,919 regulations. So just as you have your cleared on zone, you also have to follow 360 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:26,320 all these as well. So yeah, >> question. So I typically think of a 361 00:31:23,679 --> 00:31:31,760 detached ADU as something that's in addition on your property, but 11,000 362 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:34,640 square feet isn't small. So does that assume that there's a bunch of parcels 363 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:41,760 out there that aren't built on that people will build on as separate lots? 364 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:46,399 » Maybe. I don't know. 11,000. I mean, the state just said they wanted big lots to 365 00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:51,039 be able to have someone be able to build a separate unit on that 366 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,000 » and what's considered a parcel in that case if it's not 367 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:59,360 » too not free. >> So this is so my home sits on a little 368 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:03,600 bit more than a quarter of an acre. So technically if if I meet whatever the 369 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:09,039 requirements I haven't looked at I could say well instead of a shed back there I 370 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:11,440 want my kids to have a house. That's what we're talking about. 371 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,200 » Okay. You're saying any lot that is 11,000 ft where you can add a detached 372 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:21,440 AD. >> Exactly. So So my question would be is 373 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:25,519 it in a code yet that um that it has to be owner occupied? Yes. 374 00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:30,080 » So that's part of general regulation. So back in the black that's been there for 375 00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:36,240 decades. That has not changed. >> All we added is if you are going to 376 00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:41,840 build the max your lot can only be 40% covered in buildings. So you still have 377 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:46,720 to have 60% on boarding space. Um and then this is another one. So the parcels 378 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:52,640 that the bigger parcels that the state mandated that now allow detach a use. 379 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:58,080 The council made these amendments here that the maximum height of the AUS in 380 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:08,960 these bigger parcels can be 25 feet which is a twotory home and then or less 381 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:14,080 is 25 ft about or less than the main building. So it can't be taller than the 382 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:19,519 main home. And then if your ADO is over 16 ft, which is about a one-story home, 383 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:23,679 then you have to add an additional foot of setback 384 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:28,320 from property lines. So if you're going to be over one story in your detach, 385 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:33,760 then it needs to be further back from neighbors. That was just to address some 386 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,840 privacy concerns that council had about people building like a second story home 387 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:41,679 in the back corner of their lot and now there's a second story home next to 388 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:48,960 someone else's property that wasn't there before. If your parcel is less 389 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:53,840 than a,000,000 square ft. So before the state came in, it's all the same as it 390 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:58,320 was before. Your height needs to be less than the name. And then your setback 391 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:03,760 needs to align with underlying dwelling or can be whichever is less. 392 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:09,040 » Yes. >> Just wanted to clarify that 11,000 393 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:12,040 square ft is 25 acres. >> Yeah. 394 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:21,000 » If you have less than you can still build a use, 395 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:21,000 » but it just 396 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:31,520 in the zone if you're in the zone. Yes. >> Okay. So, and does it have to have its 397 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:35,040 own power drop or sewer or >> it does not the council took that away, 398 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:38,399 but it doesn't have to have its own separate utilities. That was 399 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:43,200 recommendation of our public works and develop services department that found 400 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:48,079 that sometimes that's unfeasible or actually unsafe to try and build 401 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:53,040 utilities that way and it might cause damage to our system or just be really 402 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:57,079 it can but doesn't have to. It depends on the layout of your lot. 403 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:07,280 » Um, thank you. >> Any other quick questions for that 404 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:11,200 slide available elsewhere? >> Will be sending us out with the email. 405 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:17,040 » Right. >> There there's a link to the slides right 406 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,760 now on the North District website. >> Perfect. 407 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,599 » And um I also send it out in the newsletter. So, if you signed up for the 408 00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:30,480 newsletter on the table outside, you'll get a link to the slides and 409 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:38,400 we we keep them on online. So, >> okay, great. Moving right along. A 410 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:44,160 proposed change to code. Is this Mr. Blickinger who's presenting this? 411 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,480 » I think there's one before us. >> The five residential. 412 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,280 » I'm not sure. >> Yes, you're right. 413 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,599 Is someone from Gardener and Associates here? Oh, is that you that just walked 414 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,800 in? >> Okay. 415 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:58,240 » And I here. >> Oh, perfect. Perfect. 416 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:04,839 » 10 minutes. >> Okay. If you want to head up. 417 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,839 » Oh, thanks Sarah. 418 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:14,640 » I'm gonna say take five so we can have five minutes of question. 419 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:18,680 » Yeah, I'll try to be quick. So, uh, >> you can just pull that off. 420 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:28,240 Okay. So, uh developers aren't bad. They have a specific question, but basically 421 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:32,000 this is a zone change to create uh some new residential lots on the piece of 422 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:37,280 grant that was just as recently annexed to the city over the uh previous year. 423 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:44,320 Do we have a slide on the map? There you go. So, you may recognize this lot. Um 424 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:49,280 there's now I believe a fence on the north side of it. Um and then this is 425 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:56,640 going to be subdivided so they need to redone the red agricult 426 00:36:52,560 --> 00:37:02,640 which allows for minimum halfacre lots and they're proposing four lots on this 427 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:08,800 histogram. So that's what this reveal is all about. Any questions? No questions. 428 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:16,320 I'm like just really curious why the owners want to have those four lots in 429 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:18,320 those specific parameters. Just curious. >> That's it. 430 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:23,760 » Seems really weird to me. >> I Yeah, the the layout of the 431 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:28,320 subdivision is not really page, so it's just a preference. 432 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,800 » Okay. >> No comment. 433 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:37,680 » No, I mean, you're right. It is laid out a little little funny, but it's 434 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:41,040 the the lots will probably change a little bit. 435 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,000 » Okay. Uh they probably won't stay quite that configuration because we have to 436 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,040 make some changes because of a road we have to put through there. So 437 00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:52,221 » help us out the zone change that they're requesting. What would be allowed 438 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:54,880 maximum not what they're requesting? [clears throat] What would be the max 439 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,400 allowed have to come back through the process again? 440 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:03,920 » Use the so minimum traffic or loss. Um but 441 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:09,599 they'd have to have public street coverage. Um so what they're proposing 442 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:13,680 right now is for in the future they get to more they have to provide more 443 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,680 infrastructure with more public road access 444 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:26,839 and this is still under review but in that stage um of going through 445 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:26,839 » how many acres is it currently? 446 00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:36,800 » 13 acres total. >> 13 acres total. So we're zoning changing 447 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:42,480 requesting zone change to halfacre lots like four 448 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:45,680 » well four lots is the proposal but if they get the zone change they would 449 00:38:43,966 --> 00:38:51,280 [clears throat] be allowed half acre blocks 450 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:55,839 which could be >> do your math thank you 26 451 00:38:53,839 --> 00:39:00,400 » so 26 new >> but as saying roads and other things 452 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:04,320 would have be inor incorporated into that plan. Does anybody have any do you 453 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:09,280 have more? >> Boy, this is going to be hopefully easy. 454 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:12,960 Anybody have any questions pertaining just to this? Yes, Emily. 455 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:16,480 » Um, just pertaining to this is where would access be on the roads because 456 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:21,760 that's right by Canyon Crest like the school like is it just along Canyon 457 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:26,240 Road? So, so this road going to continue out [laughter] of the game and then this 458 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:32,437 is just going to access the spot here and then this not one has access 459 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:37,240 already. So just that one new road is [clears throat] being proposed 460 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,240 » right now. 461 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,800 » What's the other property subdivided already? 462 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,520 » Uh the home with the home on it in the middle. 463 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:49,520 » There's a home in the middle. >> Two homes. 464 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,320 » Well, no. You have you just mentioned a couple lots, but the rest of the space 465 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:57,680 is going to remain as is. >> Yeah, this this open space. 466 00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:01,760 » Erin, can you explain that again? I'm super confused. So, the the home on 467 00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:04,760 Canyon Road with the dirt driveway stays. 468 00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:13,520 » That's that one. Does that stay? >> Yes. 469 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:19,599 » Okay. And then there's a there's a dirt road right next to that already. 470 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:23,760 » No, not there. right there. Yeah, that's already a dirt road. 471 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,680 » Okay. So, the new access would be on the along the south side. 472 00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:29,240 » Okay. >> From what I understand? 473 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,440 » No, that's not. >> So, what's what's the purpose of the big 474 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,760 fence that they were putting there? Is that in preparation for more 475 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,480 developments? >> No, privacy. I assume 476 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:46,720 » exclusivity. Did you gentlemen want to come and 477 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:51,920 address any of these questions? Eric's doing a better job than we could. 478 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,920 » But but you're right. It's just it's mostly privacy and they were trying to 479 00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:00,560 shut off some of the noise along Foothill and so that was one of the 480 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:04,800 purposes for putting that fence in. >> Did you hear that? He's trying to shut 481 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:09,040 out the noises for privacy. Um so at this point I've been informed. I'm not 482 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,960 supposed to necessarily take a poll because they aren't considered helpful 483 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:17,599 to the city. But if you have comments on the project or questions specific to the 484 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:21,823 project that they can pass along to the developer who's here listening, but 485 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:25,520 we'll give a transcript of it. Um, [clears throat] 486 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:29,839 now is the time for that. Any further comments, questions, 487 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:34,640 concerns? >> Okay, love it. Great. Thank you so much, 488 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:41,680 Aaron. >> Um, okay. Now, now the gun that I jumped 489 00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:44,800 to, um, the proposed change to code. Who is presenting for 490 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:51,319 this? >> We will be. 491 00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:51,319 » Come on up and introduce yourselves 492 00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:01,599 and you have um technically 15 minutes on my agenda. So you'll take five to 493 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:05,119 present. >> Yes. 494 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,680 » Take fiveish to present but you're about one minute left. Ro will tell you. 495 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,400 » Sounds good. >> And then we'll take a question. 496 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:18,400 » Okay. My name is Barbara Leinsky and I this is actually my home district. 497 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:24,079 » No off. Okay, let's see. 498 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:29,440 » I think it wasn't. >> There we go. Okay. All right. Hi, my 499 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:34,160 name is Bartner Leinsky and this is I said this is my home district. I live 500 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:39,839 and work in the North Provo area. It's nice to see some friendly babies and old 501 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:42,560 babies there. and I'm going let you introduce yourself. 502 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:46,000 » Uh my name is Brett Bolton. I'm also from this district. I'm one of the 503 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:51,040 partners at the law firm. >> Okay. [clears throat] So, um let's see. 504 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:56,079 Let me There we go. Okay. I'll go over the 505 00:42:53,040 --> 00:43:04,079 logistics really quickly. So, recently we have a we have a sign 506 00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:09,920 on our property and recently it it gave up a ghost. It died. And when we went to 507 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:14,720 go get um start to to plan a replacement sign, um we we kind of took into 508 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:20,640 consideration years of feedback from people that they 509 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:26,480 cannot find the entrance to the law firm. Um there it's very hard to see it 510 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:31,440 set back um by code. It has to be set back more. Um so we actually our 511 00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:36,359 property Let's see where's the little pointer thing. Is it here? Eric, where's 512 00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:36,359 the 513 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,720 The cat was here and it worked really well. 514 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:55,680 » There you go. >> Okay, I got his point. So, so you can 515 00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:00,160 see up at the top where it says get breath. That's right. Get breath. Flip 516 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:05,920 into Robson Weeks. We actually have 1,400 linear feet. So, we have, in fact, 517 00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:10,319 um, a co-orker and I were talking about this. We've known Brett for, I don't 518 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:14,720 know, 15, 20 years. We knew he had a law office in Provo, but until we went to 519 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:19,599 interview, we couldn't find it. Like, it's just, it's just hard to see. Um, so 520 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:23,599 when we were looking at getting a new sign, we were trying to look at ways 521 00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:29,200 that we could be a little more visible, um, increase some safety in people 522 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:34,480 trying to turn into the law firms. Um we are within the river bottoms design 523 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:39,119 corridor which has a very specific um mission. You can see some of it here. 524 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:42,960 It's it's it's in the city code if you want to look at it. Um it's big into 525 00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:48,960 preservation improvement of the urban forest field all of that. Um so we have 526 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,560 experienced some ongoing challenges with both business identification and clear 527 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,640 way finding due to the mature landscaping along the river bottoms 528 00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:02,160 corridor and because of our setback that's required of where the sign 529 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:08,720 placement is. Um we are proposing that we be able to add just 5t of height to 530 00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:13,280 the sign in this one parcel um or any parcel that is over a thousand feet um 531 00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:16,880 which I think is just one. So our objective is simple. It's to help people 532 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,720 find our office, recognize our entrance safely. The proposed amendment improves 533 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:24,560 visibility and wayfinding without increasing sign area, adding additional 534 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:29,200 signs or diminishing the corridor's mature landscaping. 535 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:34,640 So, just to um these are a couple of pictures that we took while driving down 536 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:40,079 the road. Our sign is set back so you actually just can't see it. So, the 537 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:44,640 problem is as you come up on it going 45 miles an hour, you can't even really see 538 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:48,880 where to turn. As we get closer, you can see just a little titch there. Um, and 539 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,240 by the time you can see where the sign is, you've passed it. And we've had a 540 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:57,760 lot of people, I think over the years a lot say, but the slam on brakes, change 541 00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:02,640 lanes, um, turn around, try to figure out at a 45 mph zone how to turn around 542 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:07,839 and get back in there. Um, this is coming from the other way. There's just 543 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:13,119 been some vegetation growing that which we love. We love the vegetation. It's 544 00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:18,319 part of the corridor, but it does um have create some visibility problems. 545 00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:22,880 So, under the current code, which is this now, um we would be allowed up to 546 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:29,200 four monument signs because you can have a sign for every 300 feet, thank you, of 547 00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:35,599 of frontage. Um we talked about that and we didn't want to do that. We prefer to 548 00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:39,839 have one really nice sign that that um contributes to the beauty of the area 549 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:46,000 and just gives us a little more visibility. Um I know I just have like 550 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:49,599 probably 30 seconds here. So under exac regulations in order to increase 551 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:55,040 visibility, we'd either have to well we have we would have the option of 552 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:59,839 installing up to four signs along our um 1400 linear feet there and become like 553 00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:03,040 the alien jerky on the way to Barstow people, which we don't really want to 554 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:09,680 do. We just want to have like a really nice monument sign. Um we feel like this 555 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:15,920 this uh proposition of adding just five feet increases um well it's it it will 556 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:20,800 make it so we don't um create visual clutter and it still keeps that forest 557 00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:26,560 feel that we love. Um rubal legal suggested that we make a 558 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:31,280 change to this uh code amendment and we were very happy with it. So this is the 559 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:37,440 actual language. uh it would only apply to properties that are over a thousand 560 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:44,079 linear feet. Uh so all it says is that any property that's in this zone in the 561 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:49,520 PO or the shopping center 2 zone um that has at least 1,000 linear feet can have 562 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:55,200 one sign that's 15 feet instead of 10. So thank you. 563 00:47:52,480 --> 00:48:01,440 Um this is the before and after. You can see our one is dead right now. And the 564 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:05,440 proposed sign would just give us five feet in height. It would keep the screen 565 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,560 size exactly the same. And I think it looks nice. And I'm going to turn the 566 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:13,280 time over to Brett to give a little background on 567 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:18,880 » Okay. Uh well, thanks for uh hearing us out on this. Um I I was uh not around 568 00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:27,119 when this building was built, but I do know that uh the law firm has tried to 569 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:33,920 be a good neighbor and uh well with our neighbors and with Provo City. Uh when 570 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:37,520 they approved this building decades ago, um for example, there used to be a 571 00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:42,880 center mediate lane that was required in the middle of university, which we were 572 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:46,640 the only uh business on that little corridor that was asked to do that. 573 00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:51,280 That's something that we did. They after we paid for it, they since changed it. 574 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:57,119 It's gone. You'll also notice that we're the only um 575 00:48:53,839 --> 00:49:02,559 uh building along here that has mounted curbing. like we have a big earth earthn 576 00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:06,079 curb there which they asked us to do. So I guess we just have we feel like we 577 00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:10,000 have a long history of being cooperative and trying to be good neighbors. I had a 578 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:13,440 client tell me once he's like Brad I can't find your building and he what you 579 00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:18,880 really need is you need to get like a big huge purple dinosaur out front you 580 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,440 know and I'm like because then everyone would know where it's at. I'm like, you 581 00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:27,119 know, I see what you're saying, you know, but we we we don't want have a big 582 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:30,880 purple dinosaur. That's not the plans. We understand that this street that we 583 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:34,559 all love is we don't want it to be, you know, State Street in Orum 584 00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:39,680 like you're, you know, driving through Vegas or something. It's not the nature 585 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:44,559 of what we're looking for. Um, and just very kind of briefly about our law firm. 586 00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:50,480 We've been here since 1993. Our industry is super competitive. Um, 587 00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:55,119 and we get 90% of our work from customers that are happy and refer to 588 00:49:52,640 --> 00:50:00,400 friends and family. Um, and I mention that because in the last two or three 589 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:04,559 years, we've seen a huge influx of venture capitalist funded firms entering 590 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:12,240 Utah, whether it's from New York or Florida, Vegas firms. And we have to 591 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:16,960 sort of compete in that that market. And and the way we do it, we we hope is by 592 00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:22,319 being involved in the community. We do a ton of proono. We take on difficult 593 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:27,520 cases um where we represent victims of crime and and sexual abuse and things 594 00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:34,720 like that. Just very rare niche that we have. So, um, we feel like we're 595 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:38,880 good contributing neighbors and, you know, part, you know, participants in 596 00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:44,559 our community and we're hopeful to get an extra five feet so people can find 597 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:49,520 the building a little easier. >> Thank you very much. Um, so we're going 598 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:53,200 to open up for comments and and I'm going to start. So, I wrote a couple 599 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:59,540 things down and I don't know if they're for Brett or for Aaron. Um, but I didn't 600 00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:01,040 know I didn't hear mentioned [laughter] 601 00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:06,160 » no Aaron. >> I meant Aaron city staff. Sorry. 602 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,760 » No, I I >> So most of my question was because I 603 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,880 didn't hear anything about setbacks. Is there a rule that it has to be that far 604 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,000 from the sidewalk or from the gutter? Is that why it's because it looks like it 605 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,680 set it too far back personally to me because I don't see five more feet 606 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,960 helping this situation. >> Um, 607 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:28,960 » yeah. So, so in this corridor there's a a big bumper. Um 608 00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:32,880 it varies along North University Avenue. Um but they can't go past that because 609 00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:36,960 most of that property that's the green space is the right of way. So they can't 610 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:41,200 put their sign in the right way. They have to be behind the property line. 611 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:45,520 » Okay, that helps. Thank you. And and my question maybe to Aaron or to staff 612 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:49,280 somebody would be if it said in code they could have four signs. We 613 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:53,280 appreciate you not having four signs. If we're going to change code toad, maybe 614 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:57,359 we change this. Yes, you can have five of beads if you give away the right for 615 00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,720 all quarter signs, right? Have just one sign. I don't know how you work that 616 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:05,520 legally, but we don't want four signs. Nobody wants 617 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:13,200 four signs. Even the applicant doesn't want four signs. Maybe we say 618 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:19,359 yes if you get rid of I I don't know how. That's just my comment for Rachel 619 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:27,200 to send. Okay, Angela. I saw Angela go up first and then I saw 620 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:32,240 Jason go up next. >> Hi. Um, so I guess my question is about 621 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:37,200 lighting. Like when the Riverwoods came in and they put up that light, it get 622 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:42,559 shown up the hill into our house at night. Are there restrictions about 623 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:46,961 turning those off at certain hours? There there's lots of rules on lighting 624 00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:49,839 and we're familiar with them and [clears throat] 625 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,800 we are compliant with the lighting requirements. 626 00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:56,800 » Yeah, absolutely. We're we're compliant with it. We we don't want to be we don't 627 00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:01,040 want to be Vegas. We don't want to be offensive. We want to be good neighbors 628 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:05,200 like Brett said. We just want people to find us. [laughter] 629 00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:07,280 » Yeah. Just talk really close to the very top. 630 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:12,240 » Turn it on. >> Jason was next. 631 00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:15,200 » Yeah. first did an observation. I find it hilarious that that Berkshire 632 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,119 Hathaway sign is more visible than your sign is. 633 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,720 » I know >> it's a sore spot actually. 634 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:26,559 » Yeah. So, that was uh is going higher seems like it's going to go 635 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,559 into the trees more than underneath the trees. So, I'm curious why that's the 636 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:34,079 design as opposed to, you know, I don't know, angling or something. And and you 637 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:38,400 asked the question that I had too is it seemed like where it sit moved a lot 638 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:42,559 closer to the road to make it more visible. And is it the is it the the LCD 639 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,880 that you want more visible or the signs that are needed? 640 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:48,640 » We want the whole thing more visible because we've just got we've had the the 641 00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:53,359 we love the growth with all the vegetation around and and admittedly, 642 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:58,079 yeah, there is there's going to have to be a little trimming, but we don't want 643 00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:02,400 to trim willy-nilly. We want to do it thoughtfully. We will have to trim a 644 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:09,119 little bit to make it visual, but uh visually appealing and visually um 645 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:12,480 accessible. But you just having that height will just make it a little bit 646 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:18,000 easier for people to find us. >> Is is LC is the LCD your time? Is that a 647 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:21,200 way to advertise? Okay. That you're not getting a lot of height for the the 648 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,760 other tenants below. >> We didn't want to ask for 20 feet. 649 00:54:23,247 --> 00:54:26,720 [laughter] >> I mean, I don't know which is more 650 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:30,000 important, having tenants and your name up there or is it having the LCD 651 00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:32,319 display? I think the LCD at the top was going to be the important part as we be 652 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,440 able to >> and kind of what you're hitting at 653 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:40,160 there's there's a sweet spot between the burm height and then the tree we're 654 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:43,920 trying to hit. Um it's easier to trim back the trees a little bit than it 655 00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:49,040 would be to to take out that whole bank of earth both ways. So I think that's 656 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:53,520 kind of what we're aiming for. And you know, as Erin already addressed, we'd 657 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:57,960 love to be closer to the to the road than we are simply restrict. 658 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:10,079 I see you. A few years ago, there were a bunch of 659 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:16,960 us that uh fought to um 660 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:24,800 the doctor gave me a sign imaging center because he built it too large. 661 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:31,200 Uh I don't know what happened to to the status of that. 662 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:34,200 I think the city just kind of gave up. Um, 663 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:46,800 I would try to move this side closer to the street and make the text larger so 664 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:51,359 it see so people can see it better. Emily and then Paul just 665 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,760 » I just was gonna Is this thing on? >> Yes. 666 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:58,000 » I know what you guys are hearing. So, I appreciate that comment, Pam. And we 667 00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:02,160 know that the the the sign to the north of us is is a sore spot and the way that 668 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:08,880 that was handled created a lot of contention and we're trying to do it in 669 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:13,599 a we are committed to doing it in a much straightforward and polite and fair way. 670 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:16,400 So I we understand that that was a whole thing that was hurtful to a lot of 671 00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:21,359 people. So >> and again Pam, we we would love to move 672 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:26,240 it to the closer to the road, but we we can't. Uh we we we've uh we're 673 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:30,240 restricted to how far back it has to be. That would be my first choice, too. But 674 00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:34,680 it's not possible. >> That catch plants down. 675 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:41,200 » We can trim the plants a little bit, but there's also utility stuff there that I 676 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:45,839 mean covered up with plants. >> A comment back here. 677 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:49,040 » I I actually had it looked like the code change that was 678 00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:54,160 being sought was only applied to properties over a thousand linear feet. 679 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:58,559 Again, if we don't want to be State Street or like Commerce Street, how many 680 00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:01,680 properties are we actually talking about that would be affected by it? 681 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,319 » Street. >> But is it is it literally like say like 682 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:09,119 I mean they're putting in some big, you know, a new place along there. Could 683 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,480 another >> Yeah, I I don't think I don't think that 684 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:17,599 there's a space that's available that that's long anymore. And is are are 685 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:21,839 things remarkably long? It starts way to the south almost across the street from 686 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:26,319 the country club and it's just you know you've got lovers playing for quite a 687 00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:32,559 while then set back. So we we can't identify another property on university 688 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:36,960 » so it's individualized for this. >> Yes been narrowly tailored so it 689 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:43,240 wouldn't cause a problem like that >> because we have a very unique situation 690 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,240 that's Yeah. 691 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:56,000 » Paul. Hi. Uh, Paul Evans. Um, the Ford sign issue I see as the same 692 00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:02,240 sort of uh way that Giddy um said, "Hey, look, I 693 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:08,160 could build a bigger sign, so I'm just going to build this smaller one that we 694 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:13,040 have now." And uh and that was the whole premise of which the sign there at Lur 695 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:19,839 Rock started. I could build bigger, but I'll just go to this size set. So, I'm 696 00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:24,079 I'm a little bit taken back by this of, oh, we could build four signs 697 00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:29,920 technically, and but we'll just we just want this one larger sign instead. So, I 698 00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:35,839 I see that as the same approach again. Um, secondly, 699 00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:41,839 trees and vegetation need trimming. They don't just grow pel, you trim them back 700 00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:46,240 to what you want. And on the north side of your property, you've got trees, the 701 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:51,440 branches that go all the way out to the road across the sidewalk. It's actually 702 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:57,280 hard to get through the sidewalk. So, you have to first trim back your 703 00:58:54,559 --> 00:59:02,079 vegetation so that that that it's a clear sight 704 00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:07,920 um both on the north and the south side. That would make it uh much more visible 705 00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:15,520 for the for the building. The fact that the building is not readily noticed, 706 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:20,880 I think is uh a testament to the efforts back when the building was first 707 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:25,520 proposed that it would blend in to the environment and not stick out. And so 708 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:32,720 the idea that it's blending in is actually a really positive thing. 709 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:38,240 Finally and not finally, the sign can be 6 ft within 6 ft of the sidewalk. 710 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:43,760 How how close to the sidewalk is it? Now, I think I I think that we've 711 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:47,440 consulted with Aaron on that topic and we're convinced that we're as close as 712 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:52,640 we can get, but I'll let Aaron speak to that if you'd like. 713 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:57,440 » Yeah, right now they're they're approximately only 3T. 714 00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:02,160 So they could technically move it 3 ft to the west on the new sign, but no 715 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:08,960 question that the sidewalk sway further out to the right way. 716 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:14,799 » Yeah, it's okay. So the uh um and and the issue is the address 717 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:23,440 30,000 that that's your key indicator of the 718 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:28,559 building. And yet that number is as far back away from the street as possible. 719 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:35,200 And in your new proposed sign, that number is even smaller. So I'm I'm not 720 01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:41,599 seeing that you're taking effort to help people identify exactly where the 721 01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:43,280 building is and what its address is. So >> thank you Paul. 722 01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:50,079 » Just a note. >> Okay. I saw Daniel's hand before. Um, 723 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:54,000 and I see one more. I'm going to take these two more comments. Daniel's up 724 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:58,240 front and >> David. Thank you. That'll be it for 725 01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:03,280 these comments. If you have other comments, concerns, questions, whatever 726 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:08,319 about this project, you can email your city council, you can email the planning 727 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:13,760 commission, or you can email any of us or Rachel. 728 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:19,359 So uh one thing I like to share comments toward the start about um possibility of 729 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:23,920 having something in the code saying that these are alternatives either you can 730 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:29,680 have signings more frequently or you could have a taller signing not both. Um 731 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:35,200 that uh you know it's [clears throat] saying hey this is right now it's being 732 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:39,280 written so it only affects our property. I mean this property could change hands 733 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,960 at some point in the future. There could be other properties on University Avenue 734 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:47,680 that chains at some point in the future that make it so that there it could 735 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:54,640 apply to other um property owners who don't share the same kinds of aesthetic 736 01:01:50,799 --> 01:02:01,839 uh you know considerations. Also just uh out of interest um the high requirement 737 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:05,680 code it said um from sidewalk level um just as a bit of information what's the 738 01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:09,680 difference there between the sidewalk level and how 739 01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:15,839 beneath the current sign I don't know off hand you know how much is that that 740 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:21,200 seems to be an affected part of it at the beginning we have other places where 741 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:26,480 we might not want uh things that are very high off the 742 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:31,760 But here we have, you know, higher B and so low plants are still relatively high 743 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:36,000 off sidewalk level. >> I believe the code states that it is a 744 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:40,720 certain amount of height from the sidewalk. Am I right? Yeah. So the BM is 745 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:44,799 not it's a nonissue. >> Well, 746 01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:49,200 » as far as the height, because it basic goes from the sidewalk, not how high we 747 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:54,160 can build a mound. You know what I mean? >> He's suggesting if you cut the BM down. 748 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:58,160 Not so much suggesting necessarily you can cut this further down for instance. 749 01:02:56,079 --> 01:03:02,880 I mean because once within the code again it could instantly get applied to 750 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:07,599 some other property if people were buying multiple properties and at some 751 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:12,799 point on university then the fact that we're done something that's tailored to 752 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:17,920 your higher is meaning that some place where their sign is starting right at 753 01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:22,960 the same level as street level could then be putting a 15 foot sign which 754 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:26,760 would be more out of place. >> That's a good point. 755 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,760 » Yeah. 756 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:37,039 Dave, you have one minute. >> Okay, I'll go quick. 757 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:43,039 » Um, thank you. My concern is the code allows for a 60 square foot sign. This 758 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:49,119 sign right now, as it stands, is 130 square ft. So, more than double the size 759 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:54,319 of what the code allows. I walk this street all the time and prior operators 760 01:03:52,000 --> 01:04:00,880 of the sign with that video the video board itself is 60 square feet. They 761 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:04,799 didn't keep the illumination at at code for years. In fact, if you walked along, 762 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:09,359 you had to put your hand in front of your eyes because it was so bright you 763 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:14,400 couldn't see where you were stepping or where you were walking. What What are 764 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:18,480 you going to do about the size and the illumination to make sure it stays 765 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:22,799 within code? Uh in terms of the illumination, there's 766 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:28,480 that's I think an easy fix. You have to monitor it. There's instruments that are 767 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:32,480 used to do that and we're committed to following those 768 01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:38,480 rules. Uh as far as to the as as far as the 769 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:44,400 size of the sign would be applied for this permit, um this is what was 770 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:50,319 approved when we first made the sign. So I I I actually lack the technical like 771 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:53,039 understanding of exactly how that works. I just know that whenever we do 772 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:58,000 something we go through the proper channel and we have license licenses 773 01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:03,119 that allow us to do I don't know if you have anything more on that or not but 774 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:10,079 » fair question. >> Um 775 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:15,599 so the sign itself sign is under the sub page. So it depends on what other 776 01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:19,359 tenants face like like they're representing here the name of the law 777 01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:25,039 firm the tenant name and another whiteboard those would be evaluated 778 01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:30,920 building to make sure that you're saying people with all this combined 779 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,920 but 780 01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:41,760 clarification you're saying that the electronic sign is not part of the 60 781 01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:47,440 foot copy the 60 square feet copy We're not saying 782 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:53,359 » you're saying that they can have any sign size widthwise 783 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:58,240 as long as it's up to 15 ft of an electronic sign. 784 01:05:55,599 --> 01:06:02,880 » I'm saying the total sign area whether it's one sign or four signs cannot be 785 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:07,920 greater than 60 ft. >> But the electronic sign that's up there 786 01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:12,319 is 60 square ft. >> Correct. They All the other wording on 787 01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:18,079 there is in addition, >> right? We're not reviewing that sign. 788 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:24,240 We're reviewing a text amendment. >> All right. So, there you go. If you have 789 01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:28,720 more concerns, reach out to Aaron >> or Rachel or one of your district 790 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,359 leaders. Thank you for your presentation. 791 01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:35,680 » Questions. It was a pleasure to be here. Thank you. 792 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:39,520 » Um, we're going to move on to the proposed zone change from her 10. I hope 793 01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:45,000 we'll end up on our time because I think this was easy. 794 01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:45,000 I think 795 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:54,640 this one is very very simple. Uh so the property on the east on the right is 796 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:59,520 wanting more land. So they're getting that from the property on the left. Uh 797 01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:04,400 that lot line that you see dashed in the middle is the proposed new lot line. 798 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:11,760 Right now it's more to the east. uh because of that proposed Line adjustment 799 01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:17,119 that takes the lot to the west below the AR standards. So they're have to read 800 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:21,359 our own set of standard no development being proposed. It's just 801 01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:25,920 a lot adjustment that requires no change to make a complaint. 802 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:29,119 » So whatever house sitting on the R17 would still be within whatever. 803 01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:34,960 » Yeah. The setback and everything would would comply. Yep. 804 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:44,119 questions, comments, concerns. I love it. Thank you. Okay. All right. 805 01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:44,119 » So, who is presenting for 806 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,200 » Bill? I never know how to pronounce your last 807 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,640 name. >> Pepperoni is just fine, but I'll answer 808 01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:58,079 that. >> All right. It is pepperoni. Okay. Just 809 01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:01,440 presenting and this is just updates. I know you're going to have concerns and 810 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:08,640 questions about this one. I'm supposed to keep it at five minutes. So, 811 01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:14,799 go Bill. And if you have any questions, concerns, whatever, city council Rachel 812 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:18,239 us save it for August 11. >> Yeah, we're we're past planning 813 01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:23,920 commission. We expect it to go to city council on August 11th at this moment. 814 01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:27,600 » It's going to be on it's going to be on the slide. 815 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:32,960 question. >> This is the general um approval process 816 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:38,560 for any application in the city. We're now at the city council stage with the 817 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:43,839 planning commission at the end of May I believe and you'll see the planning 818 01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:50,400 commission results in just a minute. So, um, 819 01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:55,520 plan commission, sorry, June 24th, um, they recommended by five to do two vote 820 01:08:53,040 --> 01:09:00,960 not to recommend approval, recommend denial of the general plan amendment. By 821 01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:05,839 five to two vote, they recommend denial of the zoning out amendment. And then 822 01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:11,159 the concept plan was denied unanimously because the zoning was recommended be 823 01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:11,159 denied. 824 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:23,279 The applications that will be heard by the uh city council 825 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:26,719 um we're not exactly sure when yet um will be general plan amendment zone 826 01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:30,120 change development agreement and purchase agreement. 827 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:38,480 » Those four separate items. Yes, we're at that point we're anticipating a work 828 01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:43,440 session discussion with the city council on the 11th but not an evening meeting. 829 01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:49,120 So it's just an informative study session item on the 11th. Um we're not 830 01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:53,120 sure what will come after that. I think it's going to depend largely on that 831 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:57,600 discussion and what other questions may come up. So it could be on the 25th. It 832 01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:00,080 may not be until September. >> Bill, can you leave that one there for 833 01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:04,560 just a minute? >> Sure. 834 01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:09,199 It's >> um there's been more of a delay between 835 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:12,880 the planning commission meeting and city council meeting than would be normal 836 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:16,560 because city council members have been asking developers for a lot of question 837 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:19,920 a lot of questions a lot of information developers have been gathering that 838 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:25,280 together to prepare to present to the city council and so those are things 839 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:31,199 that will be getting discussed on the 11 for example typically a a traffic study 840 01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:35,440 isn't done until a later stage but all of 841 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:39,440 But traffic is such a big concern that city council members have asked them to 842 01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:44,120 provide some information on that. A little detail on that. Okay. 843 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:54,640 » Um earlier this week at the uh conserve Utah Valley forum, you mentioned that 844 01:10:52,480 --> 01:11:00,159 the development agreement has evolved quite a bit since what was seen at the 845 01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:04,560 planning commission. Will that will any version of that revised development 846 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:07,920 agreement be made public somewhere because it's currently not on the the 847 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:12,080 website? It hasn't been released yet, I don't think, publicly. So, is that when 848 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:16,960 will we get to see that? Will we get to see that? Just August 11th. 849 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:22,159 » Yeah, you should be able to see that before August 11th. Um, right now we're 850 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:25,760 waiting for um the city attorney to finish redoing it and send it to the 851 01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:29,199 council office. Once the council office has been given it, that it can be done 852 01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:30,640 in public. >> Thank you. 853 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:35,280 » Okay. >> And then it's usually included in staff 854 01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:39,840 report the Thursday before >> the actual city council meeting. 855 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:44,159 » Yes. So Thursday before there's be a large packet of information that will be 856 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:47,520 available that will have everything that's going to be presented to the 857 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,960 council on the 11th. You'll be able to get a look at that before the 11. 858 01:11:53,199 --> 01:12:01,679 as we're working with residents and just kind of filling them in, what how can 859 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:06,159 they weigh in on this is like no public comments, what should they do? 860 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:10,640 » So, the public law has already been very active. Um, as you know, uh, when the 861 01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:17,120 planning commission, the planning commission received 100 pages of citizen 862 01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:21,760 comment, not 100 citizen comments, 100 pages of citizen comments, plus there 863 01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:27,440 were 50 people who spoke in the meeting. So get those uh comments to the council 864 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:30,719 in writing ahead of the meeting because I've had a council person. I know that 865 01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:34,239 it's really helpful to receive that before the meeting and not hear a good 866 01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:39,199 question or good objection for the first time in the meeting. So that's really 867 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:43,760 helpful to send it out before that. Okay. And I'm sure the council reads 868 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:48,080 paid attention to all of this. >> Well, if you've made a lot of changes, 869 01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:50,800 do you need to go back to the planning commission? 870 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:54,239 » No. The changes that have been made have been made to the development agreement. 871 01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:59,120 The development agreement is a contract between the city council and the 872 01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:01,679 developer. Um, in this case, the development agreement with the planning 873 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:04,800 commission because there were a couple provisions in the development agreement. 874 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:08,800 The planning commission needed to weigh in on, but since the planning commission 875 01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:13,120 recommended denial of the zone change, the planning commission didn't need to 876 01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:21,640 weigh in on those couple items. Okay? Those items had to do with the height of 877 01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:21,640 the amphitheater and amphithe. 878 01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:32,199 » Okay. Wow. >> Thank you. 879 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:32,199 » Thank you so much for coming. 880 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:41,520 » All right. Moving along. We have the neighborhood cleanup which I think 881 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:46,960 Rachel has some slides for. Thank you to all who came and helped clean up the 882 01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:51,360 Sherwood Hills Park just a little bit or kind of a lot actually. I think we had 883 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:57,840 fun. Um just one of the activities that we 884 01:13:55,280 --> 01:14:02,000 planned that we could use our funds for for refreshments. If you were there, you 885 01:13:59,679 --> 01:14:11,199 got a donut. Um thank you to everybody who showed up. 886 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:13,760 So we although was Somebody pre done on that. That was it. Just a slide. Yeah. 887 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:21,440 » Yeah. Just a slide. >> Okay. Um, also 888 01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:26,080 Emily has gotten you a I hope a picture about our thing. We're planning a 889 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:32,080 neighborhood party at Quo Orchard Park September 26th. Get excited. Tell your 890 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:37,440 friends. We are planning root beer float at least at this point. Um, the library 891 01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:42,159 will be there with their van. The fire trucks will be there. 892 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:45,840 It It will just just be a fun time. We're considering hot dogs. Yes, sir. 893 01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:48,080 » Which neighborhood? You said the neighborhood. 894 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:52,239 » The north district. I'm sorry. We call it neighborhood. I use neighborhood. I 895 01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:54,640 know. I'm sorry. I use neighborhood and north district interchangeably. 896 01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:58,239 » So, it's north district. >> It is the whole north district. You're 897 01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:02,400 welcome. You're welcome to bring your extended family and friends, but you 898 01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:12,080 know, we might only have root beer flows to 200, but come. We are thinking about 899 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:16,080 5:00, 5 to 7, sunsets at 7:15. So >> what date again? 900 01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:20,719 » September 26. We made sure there's not a BYU game. That's a home game place that 901 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:24,560 night. So [laughter] 902 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:27,760 So come. [clears throat] We We will have fun. Just get to know our neighbors. 903 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,320 We'll have different city staff there just to answer different questions. 904 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,199 » Games. >> Games. 905 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:37,679 Bring your own games if you have something you just love to share. 906 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,440 We hope to see everybody there. We're excited. Last time we did this a couple 907 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:46,159 years ago, it was a good time. Just fun to just hang out. So, come one, come on. 908 01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:55,360 » Yeah. Again, >> the Quail Orchard Parks, the new park on 909 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:57,760 Canyon Road about 4,000 north. >> Um, 910 01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:02,000 » so just Tim View. >> Yes, you can get there from Temp too. I 911 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:07,360 just never do. Sorry. So about 4,000 north temp or canyon road 912 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:12,800 preferably walking. There's not a lot of parking car. 913 01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:19,280 Um we have a request for Matthew Grant from Heather Bridgen. Are you here? 914 01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:23,159 » There you are. Come on up. She's got 10 minutes to present this. 915 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:33,719 » I'll try and make up time. Um, 916 01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:33,719 okay. 917 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:41,679 Now, can you hear me? Okay. Um, I present to you today to request to 918 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:48,560 receive approval for the York 5. This is on 2950 North, 555 East is my home 919 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:56,640 address. It can be right in front of my house. Um, this is an edge neighborhood. 920 01:16:52,640 --> 01:17:01,520 Um, introduction. I moved in to I'm from the area. I was up Foothill when I grew 921 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:08,000 up. I went to Titu. I lived across the street from Titu when I now bought a 922 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:12,640 home in 2018 on 2950. Um we love the neighborhood. We love the area and um 923 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:18,800 it's not hard to buy a house in the neighborhood. It is hard to slow traffic 924 01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:25,280 in the neighborhood. Um so why I'm here are all these cute people in my life. 925 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:33,840 And um this top picture of my daughter on the couch, that's Lucy. Um we got her 926 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:38,880 when my daughter was like a year old and unfortunately we lost Lucy 927 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:44,719 on our street by a car that was going too fast in 2023. 928 01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:50,640 Um, ever since I moved in, I've been trying to do something about the Steve 929 01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:56,080 on our street and 2023 I've been getting very active about doing something on my 930 01:17:53,280 --> 01:18:02,080 street. So, my ongoing efforts, it's funny, and I just realized this back in 931 01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:07,679 2022 was the year almost to the day um our dog was hit. 932 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:15,920 my first email 2022 been working on this for a very 933 01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:21,040 long time. So after that we got bird going in a bit email bubble and then 934 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:26,000 I've been to meetings and I still don't have anything going on my stream. So I'm 935 01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:32,400 here again to try and get something going on my street. So if you're not 936 01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:38,239 familiar this is where Edgemont Auto is. Um, right here at Auto State Market. I'm 937 01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:42,960 right here in the middle of that street before you 938 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:46,880 hit up Bang. I know we talked about Bit when we first got here. People are 939 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:51,120 running down Banic. They sometimes stop at the stop sign and then they keep that 940 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:59,679 speed going down street with lots of little kids that have almost hit. 941 01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:05,120 So, Ver has done a few traffic studies. first one done um April 2024 was listed 942 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:12,560 on top and then he came back and did a second study in July of 2024. 943 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:20,159 Um you can see the seeds overall average speed it says 29 um 944 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:26,719 which doesn't seem very fast but people are not always 129. Um 945 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:31,440 Ver's also really concerned about how many cars are on the street. I don't 946 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:38,719 know how many that pointer thing, but I'm getting like 947 01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:43,600 3,000 cars passing my house. And this um summer, we're getting a lot more cars on 948 01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:49,920 our street. Um so that was really concerning the amount of cars. 949 01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:54,880 So here comparison between the studies, um obviously more cars than we're 950 01:19:52,000 --> 01:20:03,920 getting. Um just a comparison of the two. 951 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:10,080 Um, so call me ideas. I'm proposing um to get the your speed sign on my 952 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:16,719 street for all the reasons I already said. 953 01:20:14,305 --> 01:20:20,239 [laughter] Okay. Um, Bern has also talked to me about putting up 954 01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:28,400 delineators. this picture on the right here. Um to narrow the road 955 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:33,520 here, this right picture again to have cars slow down, bring attention 956 01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:41,440 to their speed. When the street is narrowed, cars slow down. And that is 957 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:44,239 that's something I talked to about also. So 958 01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:51,440 » you mentioned you were going to talk to another neighbor about us moving those. 959 01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:57,360 » Yes. So, the problem was last year, this is my house here. 960 01:20:54,560 --> 01:21:02,800 » Yeah, that one. This house was vacant for a couple years, and it just been 961 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:07,440 very long to do this. So, we decided to finally do construction, tear down that 962 01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:11,760 house, and they're currently building a beautiful house of craftsman. So, we 963 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:15,840 couldn't get the millimeters right in front of my house. So, I've gotten an 964 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:20,320 approval from the neighbors. They're here. 965 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:24,800 um from my neighbors to the east and people across from them. So we're 966 01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:31,760 talking about this cute house with a tin of a tree and this house. So this one. 967 01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:36,400 So we just bumped it up for the 968 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:43,280 » Yes. Both of them have. >> So do we still want the new 969 01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:48,320 » So Heather [clears throat] have a comment because I remember Vern. Correct 970 01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:51,600 me if I'm wrong, but Vern said to do those calming measures would be 971 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:57,840 sufficient. But my understanding is your neighbors 972 01:21:54,639 --> 01:22:02,159 did not want it was going to infringe on the space they could park your car into 973 01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:06,159 the park. I think you guys on 2950 need to get your cars 974 01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:10,960 off the street. That would that's the number one thing because I mean I know 975 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:17,760 everybody likes to park on the street, but 2950 is a narrow street. 2875 28 is 976 01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:22,719 not a narrow street. It is a very very wide street much wider than wants to 977 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:29,120 give up their street parking. >> No, no, not nobody. The people down west 978 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:31,760 » which was our second option for the deliminators. They did not. 979 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:35,600 » Okay. >> So, one is an elderly lady. She actually 980 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:39,920 lives in her home alone, but her family comes to visit. She did not want that. 981 01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:44,560 The other people across the street have 10 kids. They have visitors all the 982 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:48,520 time. They were very willing to give up part. 983 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,520 » Okay. 984 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:54,800 » Okay. So, that was kind of to my question. It sounds like if you have 985 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:58,159 approval for the delineator, you're also asking for the USC sign, 986 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:01,120 » right? >> How much does that [clears throat] cost? 987 01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:05,280 » So, that's I'm going to give that one to Rachel because I'm hoping you have those 988 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:09,840 numbers somewhere. So, what we're asking here, in case you're unfamiliar with the 989 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:16,639 matching grant program, Pro City has a program wherein that they um 990 01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:24,000 not give but assign a lot, that's a better term. They 991 01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:29,360 all lot so much money to each district. Now, it's by district, not neighborhood. 992 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:35,600 So, each district is allotted a certain amount. I mean, $7500, 993 01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:41,360 » correct? per year um that we're allowed to say, "Oh, yes, 994 01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:47,280 Provo City, spend that money on this project. Please, we as a group get to 995 01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:53,440 vote on that." Um and then we as a board do something 996 01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:56,719 else. I'm not sure. Anyway, so to that 7500, you're thinking, "Well, that's not 997 01:23:55,120 --> 01:24:01,360 a lot of money." Um, if we volunteer, maybe you saw some 998 01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:10,080 cute slides for the for the cleaning up the park, every person that showed up 999 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:15,520 gets credit to match those funds. So, if you come and you put in um 1000 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:23,360 service hours that are visible service hours, we get to match up to $7,500. 1001 01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:26,800 And I think they pay you, not that you will ever see it because it goes to the 1002 01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:34,880 matching grant, but they give a credit of $10 now $15 an hour. We got a race 1003 01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:39,600 $15 an hour to be working in our area that we can also. So we would have 1004 01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:48,400 $14,000 $15,000 to spend for projects. Rachel, 1005 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:52,760 what would this sign cost? So, uh, your speed sign costs $3,186 1006 01:24:53,520 --> 01:25:02,239 and currently in available funding, you have because you haven't done a 1007 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:07,080 matching grant for you didn't do one last year, you have $16,128 1008 01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:17,679 that's available, you've only earned 5,354 1009 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:22,239 of that. So, you can spend right now 5,354, 1010 01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:27,840 which is more than the 3,186 that this sign would cost. Um, and and 1011 01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:32,159 you would need to do more service hours in order to earn that full amount of the 1012 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:36,400 16,000 >> for something else, which we haven't 1013 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:42,159 heard about yet. If you have a project you think would benefit our area, 1014 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:47,360 you talk to Rachel and she'll walk you through the application process. 1015 01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:51,840 So at this moment, yes, the um the narrowing that would be 1016 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:56,159 covered by the city and not a matching grant. So we're just talking about the 1017 01:25:53,760 --> 01:26:01,679 speed side, the speed, the matching grant money. So the narrowing could 1018 01:25:58,639 --> 01:26:09,199 happen anyway if that's not >> okay. And so to that end, we can vote to 1019 01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:14,560 postpone this for six months until the city is done. We have a few options but 1020 01:26:12,719 --> 01:26:20,080 not a lot of time at this one. Thank those choices. Emily has a question. 1021 01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:25,679 Just idea was if that's put in there, will that push the speedy traffic onto 1022 01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:33,554 the roads just adjacent to it? Like has that thought of it all? I drive that 1023 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:37,199 every time I go to work. Sorry. [gasps] [laughter] 1024 01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:41,840 That's where I work and I do. And that would be my comment to this. I'm not 1025 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:46,159 sure your street sign would work. And this is just Sharon's opinion, personal 1026 01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:51,040 opinion. I know traffic engineering. Just as I drive because it's such a 1027 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:55,520 short distance. I know where it is on Drive, where it is on Canyon Road. I 1028 01:26:52,960 --> 01:27:00,000 slow down when I see it. Oops. Sorry. And I slow down. I'm already going that 1029 01:26:58,159 --> 01:27:03,679 slow on this street because it's such a short distance. But I think the people 1030 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:06,719 zooming through there, frankly, I don't think they care very much. So I don't 1031 01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:11,840 think they're going to care if they see flash. They're gonna say cool look at 1032 01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:17,199 me. But that's just my opinion. So that's why we want your opinion on this. 1033 01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:24,560 Do you want to send these mapping grants funds that that otherwise well I have no 1034 01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:30,960 other projects in the pipeline. So >> I I just have one more thing to say. um 1035 01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:33,840 back in January 15, 2025. Down here is this bottom where it starts with 1036 01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:37,520 residents at the meeting voted to support the poor with Richard's 1037 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:42,239 application first and then we took a vote and you all voted to do mine 1038 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:47,600 second. I'm just wanting it out. I'm here again 1039 01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:54,400 July 2026 >> with two dogs, six kids, and I'm still 1040 01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:58,320 here. Really frustrated. All right, ma'am. I'm sorry your name. 1041 01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:02,320 » Oh, >> I have a neighbor. 1042 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:07,199 » I'm Jennifer. I'm the neighbor and I want it so much in front of my house. I 1043 01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:12,400 want the road narrower. We've owned our home for two years and the very first 1044 01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:20,080 winter when we had snow. I was out shoveling my walk and the big giant SUVs 1045 01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:26,239 flying past me were sending a hail of snow up over me halfway into my yard. It 1046 01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:29,520 was terrifying to clear my walk. And that's when I talked to Heather and 1047 01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:35,280 found out about her poor dog. You have to understand this was a brutal murder 1048 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:40,800 of her dog in front of her family. People are going too fast on our street. 1049 01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:46,239 And every time B does a study, they're getting faster and they're getting more 1050 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:52,320 dangerous. And we are not a collector street. Indian Hills is a collector 1051 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:57,360 street. We are a local street and we have seven families of little kids on 1052 01:28:54,639 --> 01:29:02,719 our street. So I desperately want the road narrower in front of my house and 1053 01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:08,000 the sign to help people realize, oh, I'm on a local street. We happen to sit 1054 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:13,600 between two collector streets, but we are a local street. 1055 01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:16,960 » Okay. And that's I wasn't implying in any way that we should slow people down. 1056 01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:21,520 I think the delineators do it. And I disagree with Scott adamantly. I think 1057 01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:24,480 the part covers actually slow people down because [clears throat] I can't 1058 01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:28,000 pass. >> The construction that's been going on 1059 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:32,719 for a year across me has not slowed down. 1060 01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:40,159 » All right. Well, there we are. So, >> we're going to vote on 1061 01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:45,920 whether or not you would like to see our matchy grants go towards this project 1062 01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:48,320 with this year. Jason, did you have a question? 1063 01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:50,960 » Yeah. >> Is it a use it or lose it grant kind of 1064 01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:55,840 thing? >> Um, the city goes back and forth between 1065 01:29:52,800 --> 01:30:03,920 use it or lose it annually and their fiscal year is um June July 1st to June 1066 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:09,120 30. So, so that makes us hard because of course we get into it. No. And 1067 01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:12,000 » the city council voted that it can be rolled over 1068 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:17,760 » and and that's what I was going to say. how right now it can be rolled over and 1069 01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:21,679 that's why you heard the man so much. >> Now it's it can be rolled over. 1070 01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:26,239 » Yeah. I don't mean to be uncsensitive about it. I mean the trend was going 1071 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,639 down in terms of speed. 27 being the average is probably the same as every 1072 01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:32,960 neighborhood. >> I saw 33 on there in one slide of 1073 01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:37,360 » it was 85%. >> Brett Brett comment. 1074 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:41,679 » Yeah. I we used to live right at the bottom of Indian Hills Drive and so 1075 01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:47,840 Indian Hills Drive and then Indian Hills Circle that that we lived there for 1076 01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:52,000 years and we had we we have a bazillion kids that are older now but we were 1077 01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:55,920 terrified because it's so fast coming down those hills and these guys are in 1078 01:30:53,600 --> 01:31:02,400 the same boat, you know, and so we we fought forever to try to get a stop sign 1079 01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:06,800 or roundabout there to no avail. Um but uh they did add the bike lanes which 1080 01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:12,719 narrowed it which did seem to slow it a little bit. Um but um I just think 1081 01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:18,880 anything you can do to slow traffic is great. Narrowing the signs, the speed 1082 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:22,719 signs. Um you know we one of the things we do at our firm is we have the 1083 01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:27,280 difficult task of frequently representing family whose whose children 1084 01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:32,000 are killed in as pedestrians. You know that's just something that it happens 1085 01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:37,600 all the time. And so, you know, I would be a strong supporter of belt and 1086 01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:43,679 suspenders on this. You know, narrow it, put a sign on, like whatever whatever, 1087 01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:47,360 you know, approved things or are available you ought to do because you 1088 01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:52,639 you really are going to save a kid eventually by doing that. 1089 01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:57,520 » So, I'm going to simply phrase the motion. I make a motion that we 1090 01:31:54,719 --> 01:32:03,520 approve $3,000 to put a seat sign on 2950 North 558 1091 01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:07,040 » or whatever the total is 31. >> Would it be two signs and one in each 1092 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:11,120 direction? >> The one that's been proposed requested 1093 01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:18,000 at this moment simply is weather traffic. It's not for each traffic and 1094 01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:24,199 that price is for only one sign. Emily's made a second that we send those 1095 01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:24,199 signs that way. 1096 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:28,120 Hey, all in favor 1097 01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:35,880 » you do have to live in our north. 1098 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:49,960 I see one person. Okay. By the way, you need to be. 1099 01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:59,280 All right, we are past our time, but just FYI, so I'm going to say if you 1100 01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:06,320 have North District concerns, um, again, reach out to 1101 01:33:02,719 --> 01:33:10,880 us or Rachel or the city council. I am going to give one minute to the Provo 1102 01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:15,120 School District because in case you haven't heard, they want to raise your 1103 01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:19,440 taxes. Loa is going to time you. So, 1104 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:24,400 » okay, really quick. We are asking for $1.3 million and the majority will go to 1105 01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:32,880 teacher salaries. A small portion will go to our service debt. Um, it's overall 1106 01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:40,000 just under 2% and a $5,000 500 $5,000 home. A $500,000 home will pay around 1107 01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:47,360 $30 to $40. So, a $500,000 business pay about $60. This coming Wednesday, uh, 1108 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:53,280 August 5th, is our meeting at 6 PM where you can come and make comment to us 1109 01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:59,199 before we make a vote at the Provo City School District building at 6 p.m. 1110 01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:04,855 » You can also email, you can also email board of education at provo.edu edu with 1111 01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:08,800 questions or concerns before or come at [clears throat] night. 1112 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:13,280 » And I'll be back in the back if you want to ask those questions after. And if 1113 01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:16,400 you're really really concerned about how much this really means for your home, 1114 01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:19,265 you should have gotten your valuation notice just in the bottom, but you 1115 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:22,960 should have it in your hand. [clears throat] So, thank you so much 1116 01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:27,719 everybody for coming. We couldn't do it without touch. Thanks 1117 01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:27,719 very much. 1118 01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:31,600 Um, I was just confirmed because