My next question. Rachel, are you ready for us?
» Welcome. So glad you're here. Um Emily Taylor is going to
lead us in a prayer and then um Jason Baso is going to lead us in the pledge
of allegiance. Come forward, Emily.
» Our father in heaven, we're so thankful that we can meet in such peaceful
circumstances and be able to discuss important issues in our area of the city
of Provo. We pray that we'll be guided by wisdom and
kindness and that we will also be able to speak with clarity and listen to each
other to create better solutions for ourselves and those around us and the
the entire this region. We thank thee for our many blessings especially
freedom of conscience and the ability to choose. We say this in the name of Jesus
Christ. Amen. Amen. >> Thank you Emily Jason.
I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and the stands one
indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
All right, I want to take just a second because I just pulled this up on my
phone. See if I can find it again to mention. Thank you for coming. Those
of you who don't know, we are the North District. And I want to take a second to
kind of point out your representatives. So, in case you're unaware, North Tim
View is Bonnie Marorrow and Jennifer Griffin. They're both excused tonight
because they both found things out of town. Sorry. Um, Riverbottoms because
you are here. Raise your hand. Pop up real quick. Emily Taylor and Jeff
Olsson. Stand up real quick. Okay. And then Sherwood Hills. We have Richard
Pratt. I know I saw you. There you are. And a vacant seat. If you're interested,
you're from that area. We'd love to get you on our board. Um, Riverside is
Robert Hammond. I didn't see that, but okay. and Doug L.
Edgemont is Charman and Scott Murray and Indian Hills is Becca Curl
and Ro
Canyon is Paul Warner and Zack Hold.
Okay, [clears throat] I try. And then of view is Lynn Sorenson who is addicted
was also a town family thing and and we have oh sorry the applied for that
position was it it was Jensen but I can't remember his surname
» Daniel Jensen has applied um if you have comments you want to say ho this is who
we want there's a place to do that online do you want to chime in there how
do we do that make a comment we know Daniel would be great so
» the the best thing to do is to contact the city council at councilprovote.gov.
Okay. >> Um and to give your feedback if you
think he would be a representative for president on the north district.
» Okay. So there you go. And and just for your FYI, my turn's up in December 31st.
So if you want to do edge area, you can apply for this.
» Not that you'll be automatically the chair. So don't be afraid of it. You'll
be on the board. they reelect the board chair vice chair every year. Um so
there's our plug. We're gonna start out with bird giving us results of traffic
studies or authority studies. Um and then we'll turn the time over to
officer Hutchinson and
do you want mic that way?
Okay, we have three studies, two graphic studies and definitive studies tonight
studies
probably this will be on all three studies that I
show. So I'm just going to pause here. Let's take a look at the definitions of
what average speed [snorts] means, what the 85th percentile means, the volume. I
think we all know what number of vehicles are. And then the directional
distribution or directional split, that's the direction of percentage
travel northbound versus southbound or eastbound versus westbound.
Okay, with that um banning drive which um runs from Cherokee down actually this
is uh not Cherokee Cher here but we studying
banning tri request for banning drive down from temp
to uh think that's no but it's not um so close what is it
» and uh we take a look at that is just a local street. It's fairly steep uh
especially on the curb. Uh so we looked at our craft jade over
the last uh three years and we've had one crash that's been reported. You can
see it's in 2023. No injuries, property damage only. It was a sides swap and
sideswiped in the opposite direction and weather related. And you can see that
it's wet, snowing, and during the day. Um this is where the batch location
happened. So near the infection, which quite frankly I would have thought
maybe it might have been coming down the C grade. It wasn't. Uh this is our
monitoring location. This is where we uh put our traffic colors out. We'll take a
look at our um volume and our speed of the vehicles.
So we looked at about 60 hours, 59 hours for 3 days posted to 11 is 25. Our
northbound average speed was 29, but our 85th percentile was 33. Our southbound
was 30 per average speed and our 85th percentile was 34. So overall, we're
looking at the 2933, which is an awful or unexpected for a steep grade of 8%.
Um, that's not too bad. Um, I always like to show this. Um, this is the
highest speed that was registered. Um, you can see that some bad apples were
doing 41 to 45 and then we had five do 46 to 50 in that category. Um, I look at
those and I usually look at the times associated with those. Um, they can be
any hour of day. Most of them tend to be at 10:00 to 1:00
a.m. in the morning, 10:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. But I even see 3 in the afternoon.
So when a resident calls me and says they're doing 50 or 60 miles an hour on
my street, I believe them because I see this data right now. Not everybody is
going that fast. Just a couple bouts. So we turn to look at the volumes. I
think people are always astonished by how much or how little traffic there are
on the road where they live. And so um okay looking at northbound a little bit
more going northbound versus southbound on a daily basis. So it's a 4852 is the
directional distribution. So you have 1,700 vehicles a day on Matt drive.
Uh just in summary that's our average speed and our 85th percentile and what
the total number of vehicles were. Um, as I went out there, I noticed that we
have no curve warning signs in advance of the curve. And so, we'll be putting a
work order. In fact, I've already submitted the work order for these two
signs. Um, I expect to see them up in August 99. We're really busy doing
painting for school crosswalk right now. Um, so I'll share this with the Provo
City Police Department for any traffic enforcement to see if they have an
opportunity to deploy um or their radar if they're put out there to align people
going southbound or westbound um that they're keep their street under control.
Okay, that's it for that one. Let's go to Cherokee Lane.
Again, same definitions. Cherokee. Um, it runs all the way from
um from Navajo to Earthquake. So, right here Navajo comes all the way around and
down and ends up here at Cherokee. And I had that marked in the PowerPoint
when I exported the PDF. It didn't show up. And I'm a little frustrated. So,
I'll figure that out eventually. Uh, Cherokee is just a local street. did not
reflect the shri or anything that uh so crash data we looked at the last
two years. We had one crash in 2024 that reported again it was a no injury
property damage only uh but it was speed related um and weather related. Uh they
were driving too fast for conditions probably and so the roadway departure.
Uh here's where the crash occurred. As you know, if you drive a turkey, you're
coming down the hill right there a little bit and you're trying to get
ready to break in case there's cars on an earthquake. And so that's where that
uh accident happened. This is where we deployed our uh traffic
uh data collection.
And so what do we end up with? Actually speeds are very good on Cherokee. Uh the
most speed is 25 miles an hour. Uh we looked at the speed for average was 18.
Going northbound, southbound is only 20. So 23 to 25
percentile respectively. So overall is 19 and 24 miles an hour. Uh for the 8th
percentile that's outstanding. Um and so I just wanted to show you that we did
have one of each direction that was going 306 to 40. However,
um we look at the number of vehicles here, less than a thousand vehicles a
day on Cherokee. Um that's a really nice calm rate.
What I wanted to show was that um some of the streets up there are missing
traffic control devices. So, we'll put in a work order. will be installing a
yield sign on Mojave, a yield sign on Mohawk, a yield sign on Moikin, and then
a stop sign on Cherokee as it comes in um to um 14.
So anyway, that's where we're at. Um that's that one, but we got some
improvements to do with our mobile devices. It's always nice to have yield
sign letting people know who does have the right way and who does great.
Okay, our 18 3700 North Prop um we basically had a request if you can get a
little on this um it was a school crosswalk
and uh it didn't warrant a school crosswalk any longer. We had two
children using it to head to school either at Edgemont or whatever. uh met
with the school community council and the school district on this and informed
them of the situation and that we would be removing uh the school crosswalk. We
have removed the school crosswalk. We are converting it to a a regular
pedestrian crosswalk and um so they said hey you know the road the speed on this
is 30 and you know we want to feel safer crosses in the road. So I took a look at
um the functional classification on 180 is just local street but 3700 north is a
very busy busy collector right and so in order to have uncontrolled
crossing location that is marked crosswalk I have certain criteria that I
have to follow. We look at the number of to death an hour during peak hour. So,
I'll I'll put our cameras out there for like three or four days and then I take
the highest peak hour of the pedestrian path. So, that's good, right? We take
the highest peak hour and we do that number there. And then I look at the
gaps. I look at the highest level of transit. There's no trans on this
corridor. Adjacent land uses. It's all residential distance crossing crash
history site distance. And then I got a point system where I can avoid or uh not
imple implement a crosswalk. So uh the peak hour was a Sunday afternoon. Uh we
had quite a few pedestrians while we got there.
64 to be exact on that peak hour. It's a nice summer day. Um and so we have 99
usable gaps which accounts for 36 seconds between cars. 36 seconds is more
than enough time to walk across the street. Um so you don't get a lot of
points there. highest trans on the corridor. We talked about the non
residential the next closest distance to markwalk pretty
blocks, right? And so our crash data, we had one crash reported in 2024. Again,
it's no injury, property damage. Um, someone was either turning right or
yielding to a pedestrian crosswalk and got rear ended. Uh, it was dry, clear
daylight. Uh, zero pedestrian crashes. But here's where that crash occurred.
right here. Here's the crosswalk that we're talking about.
So, in our evaluation, they scored 30 points, the maximum you can get
basically for pedestrian crossing. Uh the gaps only one point. The crossing
scored four points because it's two blocks away from the nearest crossing.
They scored 35 points. Equal to or greater than 30 points warrants the the
crosswalk. So when we cut the signs, we converted the school crosswalk to the
pedestrian crosswalk. And then um because of the speed and the number of
people crossing there, um it's going to qualify for low pedestrian enhancements,
which includes a push button pedestrian activated uh blocking maintenance. Now,
I want to get those in, but I got to tell you, before I can get those in, I
have to do concrete work. I have to go out bid and go through all the hoops,
but I have put in ADA ramps. Neither side has ADA ramps where that crosswalk
is. So, we'll be putting in ADA ramps. Once the ADA ADA ramps are in, uh they
they get that fixed, then we'll go ahead and put in the red paper flashing
beacons. And I think you're really going to like those. Uh we'll install two 30
mph speed limit signs. Uh it's a little confusing actually. Um there's a 25 mph
eastbound sign right there about a block east of the crosswalk. And I don't know
why it's there. It's so um 30 mph is the the speed limit for the road. And we'll
post one about 150 ft east of University Avenue because the speed limit on
University Avenue at this location I believe is about 40 45 miles an hour.
And so as they come off that they need to know what the new speed limit or what
the speed limit on that road is. And then same thing off of town view.5
but uh they'll come off that and there's pretty peel went up to Canyon and not
take and so that's going to be 30 as well. So right there between Canyon
and University Avenue is a 30 m hour. So, in summary, uh the marked crosswalk
did warrant a marked crosswalk and uh we'll be putting those flashing beacons
up there and uh we'll be doing new pedestrian concrete ramps there and
that's it. So, Jennifer, I don't know if we any comments or questions, Sharon,
anymore or where we're at. Um, I don't need
» Hey, I have a super quick question just
» um I just wanted to thank you for getting on the set and I see that all of
it is moving forward. I just had two quick well one quick question. A lot of
the data in all of these that you cited was 2022 to 2024. Is that because there
were no accidents in 2025 or 2026 or are you just using that data set? Just to
understand because it looked like it was pretty standard across all of them.
» Um so when it comes to um most of the crosswalk data I look at
five years. I think I had five years on that one. Um but the speed just a
regular traffic study is three years. Um it used to be about three or four years
before you get this data. They're down to about six months. So just this week
they released the 2025 data. So from now on my the ones I haven't already
completed the new ones will show the last three years counting 2025.
» So I use the latest and greatest data that we have um with the with the state
of Utah. >> Thanks. Okay. So,
to answer your question, Bernard, we're going to move on since we're already
behind schedule. And if you have a question or comment about any of that
data, that's part of why I introduced your reps to you just before we started.
Contact them if you know them. If you don't, reach out to Rachel Breen and she
will get your info for contact. Rachel's raising her hand. So, um Rachel, what's
your email? >> RBRinprovo.gov.
So there you go. If you have a comment, write that down. That's what you can do
for this meeting. As we zoom through, Officer Hutchinson and Hum, run on up
here. Come on down. Um, and then we will be hearing from
Malia.
Look, we got some ears. Can't get away with not talking.
introducing
yourselves. >> Good afternoon. I'm
» talking close to start.
» I'm officer Hudson with the pro police department. I'm the community resource
officer for what the police department considers district one because we only
have three community resource officers which your guys area falls into what my
area would be. Just to put in perspective, everything east of the
freeway and north of 500 north is my area. That's what I'm responsible for as
a community resource officer. Um, what we do is that we focus on long-term
quality of life issues. So, things that patrol routinely responds to over and
over again. Becomes our job to try and handle such things. Um, the reason that
we're here tonight is so that we can actually inform you guys of some of the
resources available throughout the city that you guys might be able to take
advantage of as well as speak to our special needs registry. So, I'll let
Officer count introduce himself.
Can you hear me if I don't use this?
» Sorry, I offended people sometimes. I don't have a film, so I apologize
advance. I'm Dave. I did a short period of time, nine months. Um, we have
started a new program here for mental health. So, my specific role is central
outreach. whatever you can think of that pertains to me. It's a very large
umbrella. It's not can point to one specific thing. So, in a nutshell, if I
can respond to someone in crisis as I do, not always the case. Most of my work
is followup. So, anybody who you've admitted to the hospital or like a psych
psychiatric email, I follow up with them. Um, families with severely
mentally ill, whatever that looks like, I follow up with them. There's methods
and ways to get individuals help throughout the city. I work with
addicts. So, recovering addicts, anybody in in addiction, I reach out to them. I
often set people that work out with addicts.
But I get judged by working out. So, whatever. Um, and then special need,
which officer will will discuss a little bit. So my
job is just getting information out to people, letting them know that we care
and that there are things not only here in town but all over the county.
Here in town we have a crisis center at Behavioral Health. It's the receiving
center and fellow by Flax Summit. We have Vantage Point which is also through
WAC for kids 12 to 17. There are plenty of addiction recovery resources. We have
Arduatient treatment right here in town. Um, we have Pit to Recover, which is
where I claim to work out. Um, we have right here in town.
We have the Boys and Girls Club. There are so many things right here in town
that people don't know of. So, my job is to get that out there. Uh, again, a lot
of my agency patrol as well. I monitor what goes on. They'll send me emails or
frequent flyers that are calling in with conspiracy issues that really pertain to
a mental illness. Those those don't to me. Um I'm not a therapist. I have six
plus years in the mental health world. I'm an autistic child. I may or may not
be mentally ill depending on the day. >> Yes.
Making class, which she hadn't realized yet. Well,
So that that's kind of what we do. It's it's a new program in Provo. It it's my
passion. Don't know why. Uh after doing it in the prison for for years, I
thought I had enough of it, but I seem to just get drawn back in. So embrace
it. Here we go. But just know we care. We're out there. If you have somebody
suffering, I always say you are not the the mental illness you suffer from. You
are not the drug you are addicted to. There is a person in there. And so we'll
try to find them personally. Fine tune them. I I go to therapy. I get fine
tuned every every two weeks. That's why I call it a tuneup. So just know that
we're out there. We're watching. If there are specific concerns, I can't get
all the calls. I don't work weekends. Um but if patrol you or your loved ones or
something, there's a high chance that you'll see me within hopefully a short
period of time.
All right. So my role in this is that I assist officer Halum when he needs an
officer to assist him and go to these things. And then I have a passion
project that I started 3 four years ago which was to him through our special
needs registry. So I found out about three four years ago that our special
needs registry actually wasn't working. Um our online form was just kind of
disappearing in the ether. Luckily we were able to find all those forms and
follow up with them. Uh, but I've done a lot of improvements to that over the
years and gotten a lot of people on the registry. I know that it might sound
like a bad thing, especially registry. All it does is that it provides us with
information for you or your loved ones that might need additional help, right?
People with autism that are known to wander or non-verbal are a great
example. So we have a lot of autistic children with improv that have been
known to wander in the middle of the night and patrol finding them in the
middle of the road 3,000 north on the a no idea where they came from. They can't
tell them where they came from. We end up with these children for five six
hours before we wait for parents to wake up until we can figure out how to get
them home. The idea with this registry is that as the parents provide us the
information, the information is stored with the police department same way that
anyone's information is. If you've gotten a speeding ticket, we technically
have your name and tells us that you got a speeding ticket, right? It's it's
stored the same way. Officers can then use that information and based on a
description within what we call Spillman, which is our software that um
allows us to respond to calls, keep track of reports, things of that nature.
It allows us to look up the individual by description by saying putting in
there that they're between 5'2 and 5 foot six, have brown hair, typically
wear glasses, and then officers can go through and find that individual with
and using photos that are shared with them can actually reunite this
individual with their loved ones sooner. Right? It reduces the chance of the
child becoming upset and being traumatized because they're separated
from their parents at the police department. Don't don't know what's
going on. And then obviously helps the parents because we can quickly re
reunite them. Um, and it's effective not just for that, but it's also great for
individuals that may be suffering from dementia, things of that nature, right?
Anyone that's known to longer, as well as those with special needs that might
need a special response. So if you or a loved one are especially sensitive to
light and noise, that's good for us to know. And we keep that in our local
file, as what we call it. So if your address pops up that we need to respond
to your address, dispatch can read the notes on that and say, "Oh, hey, when
you go there, do not have your lights and sirens running." Right? It could
have caused an epileptic seizure or any situation worse, things of that nature.
Um, what we need help with after years of working and improving this, we're
actually working on making this more of a countywide effort and sharing it with
our fellow agencies. So what we need from you guys is to go out and spread
the word. So share it with your loved ones here in Provo as well as elsewhere.
If other agencies don't have a special need registry within their agency, they
can use ours and we it'll get uploaded to Spillman and that filament
information is shared countywide. But we really need you guys to go out and push
the word for these things because then we can have a better response and better
serve the community. So that's kind of why we're here. I think Rachel said that
there's a special need registry cards outside. You'll see them. They're blue
on the back for the QR code. That's so that way individuals I want to utilize
registry scans that it takes them straight to the website. Um or it can
just be found at provo.gov. Click the police department section. Right there
at the front there's a box that says special need registry has a bunch of
information. If you have any questions I think someone said that my cards were
outside. If not I'll put some out. Yes. So Rachel said that my cards are
outside. Feel free to shoot me an email. Um I do get a lot of emails because I
cover about half of Provo. So it might take me a while to respond to you but I
will respond to you. I promise. So I think that's about all we have.
» Thank you so much.
» And here comes Malia.
» Hi everyone. My name is Malia. I'm a policy analyst in the council office. I
know this slide is really busy and busy. I'm so sorry. I tried to make it
comprehensive for everyone, but I was asked to give an update on
just the update to detach ADU accessory dwelling unit code for Provo City. So
during this past legislative session in March, the state passed a law um that
mandated some changes that all cities have to make for their detached ADUs. So
those state mandated changes are with a red aster and then everything in blue is
any changes that were made at all. So this is for just the tax. So internal
which is like in the basement or it's part of the home we didn't make any
changes the council making changes and the state making changes. So that's
completely the same >> is au stand.
» Great question. It means accessory unit. So think like
you have a basement and you want to rent out a basement but you're living in the
top then that would be an AU. Or if you have so a detached ADU would be like I
have my house and then I have a garage and it's a twotory garage and above it
I'm going to build a little apartment and rent it out. So that would be a
detached ADU. Something like that. Good question. Sorry. Um, so everything
in blue are changes and then I just the red and yellow is just to say whether
the council initiated that change or the red is the state did. So the big ones
here um the state mandated reducing the
parking requirements. So the max is only two off streetet parking spaces if the
unit is larger than 650 or one if it's less. And then this is a really new
change and we have a map on the city website that's interactive and you can
see what purpose qualify or done for detached.
The biggest change is here where detached 80s are allowed. So now it's
any parcel in the city that is 11,000 square ft or greater and allows single
family dwellings. So that is a lot of parcels. It increased a lot. So you can
go to that map online and you can see where that is.
» Malia, to that point, if you fall in that category, you can't just start
building now because you think you're cute. There's still you still have to go
through the process. Go to the city, get your permit, get your rental license,
get >> So just because you qualify under the
zone, you also have to qualify under the general regulations and the set
regulations. So just as you have your cleared on zone, you also have to follow
all these as well. So yeah, >> question. So I typically think of a
detached ADU as something that's in addition on your property, but 11,000
square feet isn't small. So does that assume that there's a bunch of parcels
out there that aren't built on that people will build on as separate lots?
» Maybe. I don't know. 11,000. I mean, the state just said they wanted big lots to
be able to have someone be able to build a separate unit on that
» and what's considered a parcel in that case if it's not
» too not free. >> So this is so my home sits on a little
bit more than a quarter of an acre. So technically if if I meet whatever the
requirements I haven't looked at I could say well instead of a shed back there I
want my kids to have a house. That's what we're talking about.
» Okay. You're saying any lot that is 11,000 ft where you can add a detached
AD. >> Exactly. So So my question would be is
it in a code yet that um that it has to be owner occupied? Yes.
» So that's part of general regulation. So back in the black that's been there for
decades. That has not changed. >> All we added is if you are going to
build the max your lot can only be 40% covered in buildings. So you still have
to have 60% on boarding space. Um and then this is another one. So the parcels
that the bigger parcels that the state mandated that now allow detach a use.
The council made these amendments here that the maximum height of the AUS in
these bigger parcels can be 25 feet which is a twotory home and then or less
is 25 ft about or less than the main building. So it can't be taller than the
main home. And then if your ADO is over 16 ft, which is about a one-story home,
then you have to add an additional foot of setback
from property lines. So if you're going to be over one story in your detach,
then it needs to be further back from neighbors. That was just to address some
privacy concerns that council had about people building like a second story home
in the back corner of their lot and now there's a second story home next to
someone else's property that wasn't there before. If your parcel is less
than a,000,000 square ft. So before the state came in, it's all the same as it
was before. Your height needs to be less than the name. And then your setback
needs to align with underlying dwelling or can be whichever is less.
» Yes. >> Just wanted to clarify that 11,000
square ft is 25 acres. >> Yeah.
» If you have less than you can still build a use,
» but it just
in the zone if you're in the zone. Yes. >> Okay. So, and does it have to have its
own power drop or sewer or >> it does not the council took that away,
but it doesn't have to have its own separate utilities. That was
recommendation of our public works and develop services department that found
that sometimes that's unfeasible or actually unsafe to try and build
utilities that way and it might cause damage to our system or just be really
it can but doesn't have to. It depends on the layout of your lot.
» Um, thank you. >> Any other quick questions for that
slide available elsewhere? >> Will be sending us out with the email.
» Right. >> There there's a link to the slides right
now on the North District website. >> Perfect.
» And um I also send it out in the newsletter. So, if you signed up for the
newsletter on the table outside, you'll get a link to the slides and
we we keep them on online. So, >> okay, great. Moving right along. A
proposed change to code. Is this Mr. Blickinger who's presenting this?
» I think there's one before us. >> The five residential.
» I'm not sure. >> Yes, you're right.
Is someone from Gardener and Associates here? Oh, is that you that just walked
in? >> Okay.
» And I here. >> Oh, perfect. Perfect.
» 10 minutes. >> Okay. If you want to head up.
» Oh, thanks Sarah.
» I'm gonna say take five so we can have five minutes of question.
» Yeah, I'll try to be quick. So, uh, >> you can just pull that off.
Okay. So, uh developers aren't bad. They have a specific question, but basically
this is a zone change to create uh some new residential lots on the piece of
grant that was just as recently annexed to the city over the uh previous year.
Do we have a slide on the map? There you go. So, you may recognize this lot. Um
there's now I believe a fence on the north side of it. Um and then this is
going to be subdivided so they need to redone the red agricult
which allows for minimum halfacre lots and they're proposing four lots on this
histogram. So that's what this reveal is all about. Any questions? No questions.
I'm like just really curious why the owners want to have those four lots in
those specific parameters. Just curious. >> That's it.
» Seems really weird to me. >> I Yeah, the the layout of the
subdivision is not really page, so it's just a preference.
» Okay. >> No comment.
» No, I mean, you're right. It is laid out a little little funny, but it's
the the lots will probably change a little bit.
» Okay. Uh they probably won't stay quite that configuration because we have to
make some changes because of a road we have to put through there. So
» help us out the zone change that they're requesting. What would be allowed
maximum not what they're requesting? [clears throat] What would be the max
allowed have to come back through the process again?
» Use the so minimum traffic or loss. Um but
they'd have to have public street coverage. Um so what they're proposing
right now is for in the future they get to more they have to provide more
infrastructure with more public road access
and this is still under review but in that stage um of going through
» how many acres is it currently?
» 13 acres total. >> 13 acres total. So we're zoning changing
requesting zone change to halfacre lots like four
» well four lots is the proposal but if they get the zone change they would
[clears throat] be allowed half acre blocks
which could be >> do your math thank you 26
» so 26 new >> but as saying roads and other things
would have be inor incorporated into that plan. Does anybody have any do you
have more? >> Boy, this is going to be hopefully easy.
Anybody have any questions pertaining just to this? Yes, Emily.
» Um, just pertaining to this is where would access be on the roads because
that's right by Canyon Crest like the school like is it just along Canyon
Road? So, so this road going to continue out [laughter] of the game and then this
is just going to access the spot here and then this not one has access
already. So just that one new road is [clears throat] being proposed
» right now.
» What's the other property subdivided already?
» Uh the home with the home on it in the middle.
» There's a home in the middle. >> Two homes.
» Well, no. You have you just mentioned a couple lots, but the rest of the space
is going to remain as is. >> Yeah, this this open space.
» Erin, can you explain that again? I'm super confused. So, the the home on
Canyon Road with the dirt driveway stays.
» That's that one. Does that stay? >> Yes.
» Okay. And then there's a there's a dirt road right next to that already.
» No, not there. right there. Yeah, that's already a dirt road.
» Okay. So, the new access would be on the along the south side.
» Okay. >> From what I understand?
» No, that's not. >> So, what's what's the purpose of the big
fence that they were putting there? Is that in preparation for more
developments? >> No, privacy. I assume
» exclusivity. Did you gentlemen want to come and
address any of these questions? Eric's doing a better job than we could.
» But but you're right. It's just it's mostly privacy and they were trying to
shut off some of the noise along Foothill and so that was one of the
purposes for putting that fence in. >> Did you hear that? He's trying to shut
out the noises for privacy. Um so at this point I've been informed. I'm not
supposed to necessarily take a poll because they aren't considered helpful
to the city. But if you have comments on the project or questions specific to the
project that they can pass along to the developer who's here listening, but
we'll give a transcript of it. Um, [clears throat]
now is the time for that. Any further comments, questions,
concerns? >> Okay, love it. Great. Thank you so much,
Aaron. >> Um, okay. Now, now the gun that I jumped
to, um, the proposed change to code. Who is presenting for
this? >> We will be.
» Come on up and introduce yourselves
and you have um technically 15 minutes on my agenda. So you'll take five to
present. >> Yes.
» Take fiveish to present but you're about one minute left. Ro will tell you.
» Sounds good. >> And then we'll take a question.
» Okay. My name is Barbara Leinsky and I this is actually my home district.
» No off. Okay, let's see.
» I think it wasn't. >> There we go. Okay. All right. Hi, my
name is Bartner Leinsky and this is I said this is my home district. I live
and work in the North Provo area. It's nice to see some friendly babies and old
babies there. and I'm going let you introduce yourself.
» Uh my name is Brett Bolton. I'm also from this district. I'm one of the
partners at the law firm. >> Okay. [clears throat] So, um let's see.
Let me There we go. Okay. I'll go over the
logistics really quickly. So, recently we have a we have a sign
on our property and recently it it gave up a ghost. It died. And when we went to
go get um start to to plan a replacement sign, um we we kind of took into
consideration years of feedback from people that they
cannot find the entrance to the law firm. Um there it's very hard to see it
set back um by code. It has to be set back more. Um so we actually our
property Let's see where's the little pointer thing. Is it here? Eric, where's
the
The cat was here and it worked really well.
» There you go. >> Okay, I got his point. So, so you can
see up at the top where it says get breath. That's right. Get breath. Flip
into Robson Weeks. We actually have 1,400 linear feet. So, we have, in fact,
um, a co-orker and I were talking about this. We've known Brett for, I don't
know, 15, 20 years. We knew he had a law office in Provo, but until we went to
interview, we couldn't find it. Like, it's just, it's just hard to see. Um, so
when we were looking at getting a new sign, we were trying to look at ways
that we could be a little more visible, um, increase some safety in people
trying to turn into the law firms. Um we are within the river bottoms design
corridor which has a very specific um mission. You can see some of it here.
It's it's it's in the city code if you want to look at it. Um it's big into
preservation improvement of the urban forest field all of that. Um so we have
experienced some ongoing challenges with both business identification and clear
way finding due to the mature landscaping along the river bottoms
corridor and because of our setback that's required of where the sign
placement is. Um we are proposing that we be able to add just 5t of height to
the sign in this one parcel um or any parcel that is over a thousand feet um
which I think is just one. So our objective is simple. It's to help people
find our office, recognize our entrance safely. The proposed amendment improves
visibility and wayfinding without increasing sign area, adding additional
signs or diminishing the corridor's mature landscaping.
So, just to um these are a couple of pictures that we took while driving down
the road. Our sign is set back so you actually just can't see it. So, the
problem is as you come up on it going 45 miles an hour, you can't even really see
where to turn. As we get closer, you can see just a little titch there. Um, and
by the time you can see where the sign is, you've passed it. And we've had a
lot of people, I think over the years a lot say, but the slam on brakes, change
lanes, um, turn around, try to figure out at a 45 mph zone how to turn around
and get back in there. Um, this is coming from the other way. There's just
been some vegetation growing that which we love. We love the vegetation. It's
part of the corridor, but it does um have create some visibility problems.
So, under the current code, which is this now, um we would be allowed up to
four monument signs because you can have a sign for every 300 feet, thank you, of
of frontage. Um we talked about that and we didn't want to do that. We prefer to
have one really nice sign that that um contributes to the beauty of the area
and just gives us a little more visibility. Um I know I just have like
probably 30 seconds here. So under exac regulations in order to increase
visibility, we'd either have to well we have we would have the option of
installing up to four signs along our um 1400 linear feet there and become like
the alien jerky on the way to Barstow people, which we don't really want to
do. We just want to have like a really nice monument sign. Um we feel like this
this uh proposition of adding just five feet increases um well it's it it will
make it so we don't um create visual clutter and it still keeps that forest
feel that we love. Um rubal legal suggested that we make a
change to this uh code amendment and we were very happy with it. So this is the
actual language. uh it would only apply to properties that are over a thousand
linear feet. Uh so all it says is that any property that's in this zone in the
PO or the shopping center 2 zone um that has at least 1,000 linear feet can have
one sign that's 15 feet instead of 10. So thank you.
Um this is the before and after. You can see our one is dead right now. And the
proposed sign would just give us five feet in height. It would keep the screen
size exactly the same. And I think it looks nice. And I'm going to turn the
time over to Brett to give a little background on
» Okay. Uh well, thanks for uh hearing us out on this. Um I I was uh not around
when this building was built, but I do know that uh the law firm has tried to
be a good neighbor and uh well with our neighbors and with Provo City. Uh when
they approved this building decades ago, um for example, there used to be a
center mediate lane that was required in the middle of university, which we were
the only uh business on that little corridor that was asked to do that.
That's something that we did. They after we paid for it, they since changed it.
It's gone. You'll also notice that we're the only um
uh building along here that has mounted curbing. like we have a big earth earthn
curb there which they asked us to do. So I guess we just have we feel like we
have a long history of being cooperative and trying to be good neighbors. I had a
client tell me once he's like Brad I can't find your building and he what you
really need is you need to get like a big huge purple dinosaur out front you
know and I'm like because then everyone would know where it's at. I'm like, you
know, I see what you're saying, you know, but we we we don't want have a big
purple dinosaur. That's not the plans. We understand that this street that we
all love is we don't want it to be, you know, State Street in Orum
like you're, you know, driving through Vegas or something. It's not the nature
of what we're looking for. Um, and just very kind of briefly about our law firm.
We've been here since 1993. Our industry is super competitive. Um,
and we get 90% of our work from customers that are happy and refer to
friends and family. Um, and I mention that because in the last two or three
years, we've seen a huge influx of venture capitalist funded firms entering
Utah, whether it's from New York or Florida, Vegas firms. And we have to
sort of compete in that that market. And and the way we do it, we we hope is by
being involved in the community. We do a ton of proono. We take on difficult
cases um where we represent victims of crime and and sexual abuse and things
like that. Just very rare niche that we have. So, um, we feel like we're
good contributing neighbors and, you know, part, you know, participants in
our community and we're hopeful to get an extra five feet so people can find
the building a little easier. >> Thank you very much. Um, so we're going
to open up for comments and and I'm going to start. So, I wrote a couple
things down and I don't know if they're for Brett or for Aaron. Um, but I didn't
know I didn't hear mentioned [laughter]
» no Aaron. >> I meant Aaron city staff. Sorry.
» No, I I >> So most of my question was because I
didn't hear anything about setbacks. Is there a rule that it has to be that far
from the sidewalk or from the gutter? Is that why it's because it looks like it
set it too far back personally to me because I don't see five more feet
helping this situation. >> Um,
» yeah. So, so in this corridor there's a a big bumper. Um
it varies along North University Avenue. Um but they can't go past that because
most of that property that's the green space is the right of way. So they can't
put their sign in the right way. They have to be behind the property line.
» Okay, that helps. Thank you. And and my question maybe to Aaron or to staff
somebody would be if it said in code they could have four signs. We
appreciate you not having four signs. If we're going to change code toad, maybe
we change this. Yes, you can have five of beads if you give away the right for
all quarter signs, right? Have just one sign. I don't know how you work that
legally, but we don't want four signs. Nobody wants
four signs. Even the applicant doesn't want four signs. Maybe we say
yes if you get rid of I I don't know how. That's just my comment for Rachel
to send. Okay, Angela. I saw Angela go up first and then I saw
Jason go up next. >> Hi. Um, so I guess my question is about
lighting. Like when the Riverwoods came in and they put up that light, it get
shown up the hill into our house at night. Are there restrictions about
turning those off at certain hours? There there's lots of rules on lighting
and we're familiar with them and [clears throat]
we are compliant with the lighting requirements.
» Yeah, absolutely. We're we're compliant with it. We we don't want to be we don't
want to be Vegas. We don't want to be offensive. We want to be good neighbors
like Brett said. We just want people to find us. [laughter]
» Yeah. Just talk really close to the very top.
» Turn it on. >> Jason was next.
» Yeah. first did an observation. I find it hilarious that that Berkshire
Hathaway sign is more visible than your sign is.
» I know >> it's a sore spot actually.
» Yeah. So, that was uh is going higher seems like it's going to go
into the trees more than underneath the trees. So, I'm curious why that's the
design as opposed to, you know, I don't know, angling or something. And and you
asked the question that I had too is it seemed like where it sit moved a lot
closer to the road to make it more visible. And is it the is it the the LCD
that you want more visible or the signs that are needed?
» We want the whole thing more visible because we've just got we've had the the
we love the growth with all the vegetation around and and admittedly,
yeah, there is there's going to have to be a little trimming, but we don't want
to trim willy-nilly. We want to do it thoughtfully. We will have to trim a
little bit to make it visual, but uh visually appealing and visually um
accessible. But you just having that height will just make it a little bit
easier for people to find us. >> Is is LC is the LCD your time? Is that a
way to advertise? Okay. That you're not getting a lot of height for the the
other tenants below. >> We didn't want to ask for 20 feet.
[laughter] >> I mean, I don't know which is more
important, having tenants and your name up there or is it having the LCD
display? I think the LCD at the top was going to be the important part as we be
able to >> and kind of what you're hitting at
there's there's a sweet spot between the burm height and then the tree we're
trying to hit. Um it's easier to trim back the trees a little bit than it
would be to to take out that whole bank of earth both ways. So I think that's
kind of what we're aiming for. And you know, as Erin already addressed, we'd
love to be closer to the to the road than we are simply restrict.
I see you. A few years ago, there were a bunch of
us that uh fought to um
the doctor gave me a sign imaging center because he built it too large.
Uh I don't know what happened to to the status of that.
I think the city just kind of gave up. Um,
I would try to move this side closer to the street and make the text larger so
it see so people can see it better. Emily and then Paul just
» I just was gonna Is this thing on? >> Yes.
» I know what you guys are hearing. So, I appreciate that comment, Pam. And we
know that the the the sign to the north of us is is a sore spot and the way that
that was handled created a lot of contention and we're trying to do it in
a we are committed to doing it in a much straightforward and polite and fair way.
So I we understand that that was a whole thing that was hurtful to a lot of
people. So >> and again Pam, we we would love to move
it to the closer to the road, but we we can't. Uh we we we've uh we're
restricted to how far back it has to be. That would be my first choice, too. But
it's not possible. >> That catch plants down.
» We can trim the plants a little bit, but there's also utility stuff there that I
mean covered up with plants. >> A comment back here.
» I I actually had it looked like the code change that was
being sought was only applied to properties over a thousand linear feet.
Again, if we don't want to be State Street or like Commerce Street, how many
properties are we actually talking about that would be affected by it?
» Street. >> But is it is it literally like say like
I mean they're putting in some big, you know, a new place along there. Could
another >> Yeah, I I don't think I don't think that
there's a space that's available that that's long anymore. And is are are
things remarkably long? It starts way to the south almost across the street from
the country club and it's just you know you've got lovers playing for quite a
while then set back. So we we can't identify another property on university
» so it's individualized for this. >> Yes been narrowly tailored so it
wouldn't cause a problem like that >> because we have a very unique situation
that's Yeah.
» Paul. Hi. Uh, Paul Evans. Um, the Ford sign issue I see as the same
sort of uh way that Giddy um said, "Hey, look, I
could build a bigger sign, so I'm just going to build this smaller one that we
have now." And uh and that was the whole premise of which the sign there at Lur
Rock started. I could build bigger, but I'll just go to this size set. So, I'm
I'm a little bit taken back by this of, oh, we could build four signs
technically, and but we'll just we just want this one larger sign instead. So, I
I see that as the same approach again. Um, secondly,
trees and vegetation need trimming. They don't just grow pel, you trim them back
to what you want. And on the north side of your property, you've got trees, the
branches that go all the way out to the road across the sidewalk. It's actually
hard to get through the sidewalk. So, you have to first trim back your
vegetation so that that that it's a clear sight
um both on the north and the south side. That would make it uh much more visible
for the for the building. The fact that the building is not readily noticed,
I think is uh a testament to the efforts back when the building was first
proposed that it would blend in to the environment and not stick out. And so
the idea that it's blending in is actually a really positive thing.
Finally and not finally, the sign can be 6 ft within 6 ft of the sidewalk.
How how close to the sidewalk is it? Now, I think I I think that we've
consulted with Aaron on that topic and we're convinced that we're as close as
we can get, but I'll let Aaron speak to that if you'd like.
» Yeah, right now they're they're approximately only 3T.
So they could technically move it 3 ft to the west on the new sign, but no
question that the sidewalk sway further out to the right way.
» Yeah, it's okay. So the uh um and and the issue is the address
30,000 that that's your key indicator of the
building. And yet that number is as far back away from the street as possible.
And in your new proposed sign, that number is even smaller. So I'm I'm not
seeing that you're taking effort to help people identify exactly where the
building is and what its address is. So >> thank you Paul.
» Just a note. >> Okay. I saw Daniel's hand before. Um,
and I see one more. I'm going to take these two more comments. Daniel's up
front and >> David. Thank you. That'll be it for
these comments. If you have other comments, concerns, questions, whatever
about this project, you can email your city council, you can email the planning
commission, or you can email any of us or Rachel.
So uh one thing I like to share comments toward the start about um possibility of
having something in the code saying that these are alternatives either you can
have signings more frequently or you could have a taller signing not both. Um
that uh you know it's [clears throat] saying hey this is right now it's being
written so it only affects our property. I mean this property could change hands
at some point in the future. There could be other properties on University Avenue
that chains at some point in the future that make it so that there it could
apply to other um property owners who don't share the same kinds of aesthetic
uh you know considerations. Also just uh out of interest um the high requirement
code it said um from sidewalk level um just as a bit of information what's the
difference there between the sidewalk level and how
beneath the current sign I don't know off hand you know how much is that that
seems to be an affected part of it at the beginning we have other places where
we might not want uh things that are very high off the
But here we have, you know, higher B and so low plants are still relatively high
off sidewalk level. >> I believe the code states that it is a
certain amount of height from the sidewalk. Am I right? Yeah. So the BM is
not it's a nonissue. >> Well,
» as far as the height, because it basic goes from the sidewalk, not how high we
can build a mound. You know what I mean? >> He's suggesting if you cut the BM down.
Not so much suggesting necessarily you can cut this further down for instance.
I mean because once within the code again it could instantly get applied to
some other property if people were buying multiple properties and at some
point on university then the fact that we're done something that's tailored to
your higher is meaning that some place where their sign is starting right at
the same level as street level could then be putting a 15 foot sign which
would be more out of place. >> That's a good point.
» Yeah.
Dave, you have one minute. >> Okay, I'll go quick.
» Um, thank you. My concern is the code allows for a 60 square foot sign. This
sign right now, as it stands, is 130 square ft. So, more than double the size
of what the code allows. I walk this street all the time and prior operators
of the sign with that video the video board itself is 60 square feet. They
didn't keep the illumination at at code for years. In fact, if you walked along,
you had to put your hand in front of your eyes because it was so bright you
couldn't see where you were stepping or where you were walking. What What are
you going to do about the size and the illumination to make sure it stays
within code? Uh in terms of the illumination, there's
that's I think an easy fix. You have to monitor it. There's instruments that are
used to do that and we're committed to following those
rules. Uh as far as to the as as far as the
size of the sign would be applied for this permit, um this is what was
approved when we first made the sign. So I I I actually lack the technical like
understanding of exactly how that works. I just know that whenever we do
something we go through the proper channel and we have license licenses
that allow us to do I don't know if you have anything more on that or not but
» fair question. >> Um
so the sign itself sign is under the sub page. So it depends on what other
tenants face like like they're representing here the name of the law
firm the tenant name and another whiteboard those would be evaluated
building to make sure that you're saying people with all this combined
but
clarification you're saying that the electronic sign is not part of the 60
foot copy the 60 square feet copy We're not saying
» you're saying that they can have any sign size widthwise
as long as it's up to 15 ft of an electronic sign.
» I'm saying the total sign area whether it's one sign or four signs cannot be
greater than 60 ft. >> But the electronic sign that's up there
is 60 square ft. >> Correct. They All the other wording on
there is in addition, >> right? We're not reviewing that sign.
We're reviewing a text amendment. >> All right. So, there you go. If you have
more concerns, reach out to Aaron >> or Rachel or one of your district
leaders. Thank you for your presentation.
» Questions. It was a pleasure to be here. Thank you.
» Um, we're going to move on to the proposed zone change from her 10. I hope
we'll end up on our time because I think this was easy.
I think
this one is very very simple. Uh so the property on the east on the right is
wanting more land. So they're getting that from the property on the left. Uh
that lot line that you see dashed in the middle is the proposed new lot line.
Right now it's more to the east. uh because of that proposed Line adjustment
that takes the lot to the west below the AR standards. So they're have to read
our own set of standard no development being proposed. It's just
a lot adjustment that requires no change to make a complaint.
» So whatever house sitting on the R17 would still be within whatever.
» Yeah. The setback and everything would would comply. Yep.
questions, comments, concerns. I love it. Thank you. Okay. All right.
» So, who is presenting for
» Bill? I never know how to pronounce your last
name. >> Pepperoni is just fine, but I'll answer
that. >> All right. It is pepperoni. Okay. Just
presenting and this is just updates. I know you're going to have concerns and
questions about this one. I'm supposed to keep it at five minutes. So,
go Bill. And if you have any questions, concerns, whatever, city council Rachel
us save it for August 11. >> Yeah, we're we're past planning
commission. We expect it to go to city council on August 11th at this moment.
» It's going to be on it's going to be on the slide.
question. >> This is the general um approval process
for any application in the city. We're now at the city council stage with the
planning commission at the end of May I believe and you'll see the planning
commission results in just a minute. So, um,
plan commission, sorry, June 24th, um, they recommended by five to do two vote
not to recommend approval, recommend denial of the general plan amendment. By
five to two vote, they recommend denial of the zoning out amendment. And then
the concept plan was denied unanimously because the zoning was recommended be
denied.
The applications that will be heard by the uh city council
um we're not exactly sure when yet um will be general plan amendment zone
change development agreement and purchase agreement.
» Those four separate items. Yes, we're at that point we're anticipating a work
session discussion with the city council on the 11th but not an evening meeting.
So it's just an informative study session item on the 11th. Um we're not
sure what will come after that. I think it's going to depend largely on that
discussion and what other questions may come up. So it could be on the 25th. It
may not be until September. >> Bill, can you leave that one there for
just a minute? >> Sure.
It's >> um there's been more of a delay between
the planning commission meeting and city council meeting than would be normal
because city council members have been asking developers for a lot of question
a lot of questions a lot of information developers have been gathering that
together to prepare to present to the city council and so those are things
that will be getting discussed on the 11 for example typically a a traffic study
isn't done until a later stage but all of
But traffic is such a big concern that city council members have asked them to
provide some information on that. A little detail on that. Okay.
» Um earlier this week at the uh conserve Utah Valley forum, you mentioned that
the development agreement has evolved quite a bit since what was seen at the
planning commission. Will that will any version of that revised development
agreement be made public somewhere because it's currently not on the the
website? It hasn't been released yet, I don't think, publicly. So, is that when
will we get to see that? Will we get to see that? Just August 11th.
» Yeah, you should be able to see that before August 11th. Um, right now we're
waiting for um the city attorney to finish redoing it and send it to the
council office. Once the council office has been given it, that it can be done
in public. >> Thank you.
» Okay. >> And then it's usually included in staff
report the Thursday before >> the actual city council meeting.
» Yes. So Thursday before there's be a large packet of information that will be
available that will have everything that's going to be presented to the
council on the 11th. You'll be able to get a look at that before the 11.
as we're working with residents and just kind of filling them in, what how can
they weigh in on this is like no public comments, what should they do?
» So, the public law has already been very active. Um, as you know, uh, when the
planning commission, the planning commission received 100 pages of citizen
comment, not 100 citizen comments, 100 pages of citizen comments, plus there
were 50 people who spoke in the meeting. So get those uh comments to the council
in writing ahead of the meeting because I've had a council person. I know that
it's really helpful to receive that before the meeting and not hear a good
question or good objection for the first time in the meeting. So that's really
helpful to send it out before that. Okay. And I'm sure the council reads
paid attention to all of this. >> Well, if you've made a lot of changes,
do you need to go back to the planning commission?
» No. The changes that have been made have been made to the development agreement.
The development agreement is a contract between the city council and the
developer. Um, in this case, the development agreement with the planning
commission because there were a couple provisions in the development agreement.
The planning commission needed to weigh in on, but since the planning commission
recommended denial of the zone change, the planning commission didn't need to
weigh in on those couple items. Okay? Those items had to do with the height of
the amphitheater and amphithe.
» Okay. Wow. >> Thank you.
» Thank you so much for coming.
» All right. Moving along. We have the neighborhood cleanup which I think
Rachel has some slides for. Thank you to all who came and helped clean up the
Sherwood Hills Park just a little bit or kind of a lot actually. I think we had
fun. Um just one of the activities that we
planned that we could use our funds for for refreshments. If you were there, you
got a donut. Um thank you to everybody who showed up.
So we although was Somebody pre done on that. That was it. Just a slide. Yeah.
» Yeah. Just a slide. >> Okay. Um, also
Emily has gotten you a I hope a picture about our thing. We're planning a
neighborhood party at Quo Orchard Park September 26th. Get excited. Tell your
friends. We are planning root beer float at least at this point. Um, the library
will be there with their van. The fire trucks will be there.
It It will just just be a fun time. We're considering hot dogs. Yes, sir.
» Which neighborhood? You said the neighborhood.
» The north district. I'm sorry. We call it neighborhood. I use neighborhood. I
know. I'm sorry. I use neighborhood and north district interchangeably.
» So, it's north district. >> It is the whole north district. You're
welcome. You're welcome to bring your extended family and friends, but you
know, we might only have root beer flows to 200, but come. We are thinking about
5:00, 5 to 7, sunsets at 7:15. So >> what date again?
» September 26. We made sure there's not a BYU game. That's a home game place that
night. So [laughter]
So come. [clears throat] We We will have fun. Just get to know our neighbors.
We'll have different city staff there just to answer different questions.
» Games. >> Games.
Bring your own games if you have something you just love to share.
We hope to see everybody there. We're excited. Last time we did this a couple
years ago, it was a good time. Just fun to just hang out. So, come one, come on.
» Yeah. Again, >> the Quail Orchard Parks, the new park on
Canyon Road about 4,000 north. >> Um,
» so just Tim View. >> Yes, you can get there from Temp too. I
just never do. Sorry. So about 4,000 north temp or canyon road
preferably walking. There's not a lot of parking car.
Um we have a request for Matthew Grant from Heather Bridgen. Are you here?
» There you are. Come on up. She's got 10 minutes to present this.
» I'll try and make up time. Um,
okay.
Now, can you hear me? Okay. Um, I present to you today to request to
receive approval for the York 5. This is on 2950 North, 555 East is my home
address. It can be right in front of my house. Um, this is an edge neighborhood.
Um, introduction. I moved in to I'm from the area. I was up Foothill when I grew
up. I went to Titu. I lived across the street from Titu when I now bought a
home in 2018 on 2950. Um we love the neighborhood. We love the area and um
it's not hard to buy a house in the neighborhood. It is hard to slow traffic
in the neighborhood. Um so why I'm here are all these cute people in my life.
And um this top picture of my daughter on the couch, that's Lucy. Um we got her
when my daughter was like a year old and unfortunately we lost Lucy
on our street by a car that was going too fast in 2023.
Um, ever since I moved in, I've been trying to do something about the Steve
on our street and 2023 I've been getting very active about doing something on my
street. So, my ongoing efforts, it's funny, and I just realized this back in
2022 was the year almost to the day um our dog was hit.
my first email 2022 been working on this for a very
long time. So after that we got bird going in a bit email bubble and then
I've been to meetings and I still don't have anything going on my stream. So I'm
here again to try and get something going on my street. So if you're not
familiar this is where Edgemont Auto is. Um, right here at Auto State Market. I'm
right here in the middle of that street before you
hit up Bang. I know we talked about Bit when we first got here. People are
running down Banic. They sometimes stop at the stop sign and then they keep that
speed going down street with lots of little kids that have almost hit.
So, Ver has done a few traffic studies. first one done um April 2024 was listed
on top and then he came back and did a second study in July of 2024.
Um you can see the seeds overall average speed it says 29 um
which doesn't seem very fast but people are not always 129. Um
Ver's also really concerned about how many cars are on the street. I don't
know how many that pointer thing, but I'm getting like
3,000 cars passing my house. And this um summer, we're getting a lot more cars on
our street. Um so that was really concerning the amount of cars.
So here comparison between the studies, um obviously more cars than we're
getting. Um just a comparison of the two.
Um, so call me ideas. I'm proposing um to get the your speed sign on my
street for all the reasons I already said.
[laughter] Okay. Um, Bern has also talked to me about putting up
delineators. this picture on the right here. Um to narrow the road
here, this right picture again to have cars slow down, bring attention
to their speed. When the street is narrowed, cars slow down. And that is
that's something I talked to about also. So
» you mentioned you were going to talk to another neighbor about us moving those.
» Yes. So, the problem was last year, this is my house here.
» Yeah, that one. This house was vacant for a couple years, and it just been
very long to do this. So, we decided to finally do construction, tear down that
house, and they're currently building a beautiful house of craftsman. So, we
couldn't get the millimeters right in front of my house. So, I've gotten an
approval from the neighbors. They're here.
um from my neighbors to the east and people across from them. So we're
talking about this cute house with a tin of a tree and this house. So this one.
So we just bumped it up for the
» Yes. Both of them have. >> So do we still want the new
» So Heather [clears throat] have a comment because I remember Vern. Correct
me if I'm wrong, but Vern said to do those calming measures would be
sufficient. But my understanding is your neighbors
did not want it was going to infringe on the space they could park your car into
the park. I think you guys on 2950 need to get your cars
off the street. That would that's the number one thing because I mean I know
everybody likes to park on the street, but 2950 is a narrow street. 2875 28 is
not a narrow street. It is a very very wide street much wider than wants to
give up their street parking. >> No, no, not nobody. The people down west
» which was our second option for the deliminators. They did not.
» Okay. >> So, one is an elderly lady. She actually
lives in her home alone, but her family comes to visit. She did not want that.
The other people across the street have 10 kids. They have visitors all the
time. They were very willing to give up part.
» Okay.
» Okay. So, that was kind of to my question. It sounds like if you have
approval for the delineator, you're also asking for the USC sign,
» right? >> How much does that [clears throat] cost?
» So, that's I'm going to give that one to Rachel because I'm hoping you have those
numbers somewhere. So, what we're asking here, in case you're unfamiliar with the
matching grant program, Pro City has a program wherein that they um
not give but assign a lot, that's a better term. They
all lot so much money to each district. Now, it's by district, not neighborhood.
So, each district is allotted a certain amount. I mean, $7500,
» correct? per year um that we're allowed to say, "Oh, yes,
Provo City, spend that money on this project. Please, we as a group get to
vote on that." Um and then we as a board do something
else. I'm not sure. Anyway, so to that 7500, you're thinking, "Well, that's not
a lot of money." Um, if we volunteer, maybe you saw some
cute slides for the for the cleaning up the park, every person that showed up
gets credit to match those funds. So, if you come and you put in um
service hours that are visible service hours, we get to match up to $7,500.
And I think they pay you, not that you will ever see it because it goes to the
matching grant, but they give a credit of $10 now $15 an hour. We got a race
$15 an hour to be working in our area that we can also. So we would have
$14,000 $15,000 to spend for projects. Rachel,
what would this sign cost? So, uh, your speed sign costs $3,186
and currently in available funding, you have because you haven't done a
matching grant for you didn't do one last year, you have $16,128
that's available, you've only earned 5,354
of that. So, you can spend right now 5,354,
which is more than the 3,186 that this sign would cost. Um, and and
you would need to do more service hours in order to earn that full amount of the
16,000 >> for something else, which we haven't
heard about yet. If you have a project you think would benefit our area,
you talk to Rachel and she'll walk you through the application process.
So at this moment, yes, the um the narrowing that would be
covered by the city and not a matching grant. So we're just talking about the
speed side, the speed, the matching grant money. So the narrowing could
happen anyway if that's not >> okay. And so to that end, we can vote to
postpone this for six months until the city is done. We have a few options but
not a lot of time at this one. Thank those choices. Emily has a question.
Just idea was if that's put in there, will that push the speedy traffic onto
the roads just adjacent to it? Like has that thought of it all? I drive that
every time I go to work. Sorry. [gasps] [laughter]
That's where I work and I do. And that would be my comment to this. I'm not
sure your street sign would work. And this is just Sharon's opinion, personal
opinion. I know traffic engineering. Just as I drive because it's such a
short distance. I know where it is on Drive, where it is on Canyon Road. I
slow down when I see it. Oops. Sorry. And I slow down. I'm already going that
slow on this street because it's such a short distance. But I think the people
zooming through there, frankly, I don't think they care very much. So I don't
think they're going to care if they see flash. They're gonna say cool look at
me. But that's just my opinion. So that's why we want your opinion on this.
Do you want to send these mapping grants funds that that otherwise well I have no
other projects in the pipeline. So >> I I just have one more thing to say. um
back in January 15, 2025. Down here is this bottom where it starts with
residents at the meeting voted to support the poor with Richard's
application first and then we took a vote and you all voted to do mine
second. I'm just wanting it out. I'm here again
July 2026 >> with two dogs, six kids, and I'm still
here. Really frustrated. All right, ma'am. I'm sorry your name.
» Oh, >> I have a neighbor.
» I'm Jennifer. I'm the neighbor and I want it so much in front of my house. I
want the road narrower. We've owned our home for two years and the very first
winter when we had snow. I was out shoveling my walk and the big giant SUVs
flying past me were sending a hail of snow up over me halfway into my yard. It
was terrifying to clear my walk. And that's when I talked to Heather and
found out about her poor dog. You have to understand this was a brutal murder
of her dog in front of her family. People are going too fast on our street.
And every time B does a study, they're getting faster and they're getting more
dangerous. And we are not a collector street. Indian Hills is a collector
street. We are a local street and we have seven families of little kids on
our street. So I desperately want the road narrower in front of my house and
the sign to help people realize, oh, I'm on a local street. We happen to sit
between two collector streets, but we are a local street.
» Okay. And that's I wasn't implying in any way that we should slow people down.
I think the delineators do it. And I disagree with Scott adamantly. I think
the part covers actually slow people down because [clears throat] I can't
pass. >> The construction that's been going on
for a year across me has not slowed down.
» All right. Well, there we are. So, >> we're going to vote on
whether or not you would like to see our matchy grants go towards this project
with this year. Jason, did you have a question?
» Yeah. >> Is it a use it or lose it grant kind of
thing? >> Um, the city goes back and forth between
use it or lose it annually and their fiscal year is um June July 1st to June
30. So, so that makes us hard because of course we get into it. No. And
» the city council voted that it can be rolled over
» and and that's what I was going to say. how right now it can be rolled over and
that's why you heard the man so much. >> Now it's it can be rolled over.
» Yeah. I don't mean to be uncsensitive about it. I mean the trend was going
down in terms of speed. 27 being the average is probably the same as every
neighborhood. >> I saw 33 on there in one slide of
» it was 85%. >> Brett Brett comment.
» Yeah. I we used to live right at the bottom of Indian Hills Drive and so
Indian Hills Drive and then Indian Hills Circle that that we lived there for
years and we had we we have a bazillion kids that are older now but we were
terrified because it's so fast coming down those hills and these guys are in
the same boat, you know, and so we we fought forever to try to get a stop sign
or roundabout there to no avail. Um but uh they did add the bike lanes which
narrowed it which did seem to slow it a little bit. Um but um I just think
anything you can do to slow traffic is great. Narrowing the signs, the speed
signs. Um you know we one of the things we do at our firm is we have the
difficult task of frequently representing family whose whose children
are killed in as pedestrians. You know that's just something that it happens
all the time. And so, you know, I would be a strong supporter of belt and
suspenders on this. You know, narrow it, put a sign on, like whatever whatever,
you know, approved things or are available you ought to do because you
you really are going to save a kid eventually by doing that.
» So, I'm going to simply phrase the motion. I make a motion that we
approve $3,000 to put a seat sign on 2950 North 558
» or whatever the total is 31. >> Would it be two signs and one in each
direction? >> The one that's been proposed requested
at this moment simply is weather traffic. It's not for each traffic and
that price is for only one sign. Emily's made a second that we send those
signs that way.
Hey, all in favor
» you do have to live in our north.
I see one person. Okay. By the way, you need to be.
All right, we are past our time, but just FYI, so I'm going to say if you
have North District concerns, um, again, reach out to
us or Rachel or the city council. I am going to give one minute to the Provo
School District because in case you haven't heard, they want to raise your
taxes. Loa is going to time you. So,
» okay, really quick. We are asking for $1.3 million and the majority will go to
teacher salaries. A small portion will go to our service debt. Um, it's overall
just under 2% and a $5,000 500 $5,000 home. A $500,000 home will pay around
$30 to $40. So, a $500,000 business pay about $60. This coming Wednesday, uh,
August 5th, is our meeting at 6 PM where you can come and make comment to us
before we make a vote at the Provo City School District building at 6 p.m.
» You can also email, you can also email board of education at provo.edu edu with
questions or concerns before or come at [clears throat] night.
» And I'll be back in the back if you want to ask those questions after. And if
you're really really concerned about how much this really means for your home,
you should have gotten your valuation notice just in the bottom, but you
should have it in your hand. [clears throat] So, thank you so much
everybody for coming. We couldn't do it without touch. Thanks
very much.
Um, I was just confirmed because