[0:12] My next question. Rachel, are you ready
for us?
[0:22] » Welcome. So glad you're here. Um Emily
Taylor is going to
[0:29] lead us in a prayer and then um Jason
Baso is going to lead us in the pledge
[0:37] of allegiance. Come forward, Emily.
[0:43] » Our father in heaven, we're so thankful
that we can meet in such peaceful
[0:47] circumstances and be able to discuss
important issues in our area of the city
[0:53] of Provo. We pray that we'll be guided
by wisdom and
[0:58] kindness and that we will also be able
to speak with clarity and listen to each
[1:02] other to create better solutions for
ourselves and those around us and the
[1:08] the entire this region. We thank thee
for our many blessings especially
[1:12] freedom of conscience and the ability to
choose. We say this in the name of Jesus
[1:17] Christ. Amen. Amen.
>> Thank you Emily Jason.
[1:32] I pledge to the flag of the United
States of America and the stands one
[1:42] indivisible with liberty and justice for
all.
[1:49] All right, I want to take just a second
because I just pulled this up on my
[1:52] phone. See if I can find it again
to mention. Thank you for coming. Those
[1:59] of you who don't know, we are the North
District. And I want to take a second to
[2:05] kind of point out your representatives.
So, in case you're unaware, North Tim
[2:09] View is Bonnie Marorrow and Jennifer
Griffin. They're both excused tonight
[2:12] because they both found things out of
town. Sorry. Um, Riverbottoms because
[2:19] you are here. Raise your hand. Pop up
real quick. Emily Taylor and Jeff
[2:23] Olsson. Stand up real quick. Okay. And
then Sherwood Hills. We have Richard
[2:28] Pratt. I know I saw you. There you are.
And a vacant seat. If you're interested,
[2:34] you're from that area. We'd love to get
you on our board. Um, Riverside is
[2:39] Robert Hammond.
I didn't see that, but okay. and Doug L.
[2:45] Edgemont is Charman and Scott Murray and
Indian Hills is Becca Curl
[2:54] and Ro
[2:58] Canyon is Paul Warner and Zack Hold.
[3:07] Okay, [clears throat] I try. And then of
view is Lynn Sorenson who is addicted
[3:13] was also a town family thing and and we
have oh sorry the applied for that
[3:21] position was it it was Jensen but I
can't remember his surname
[3:25] » Daniel Jensen has applied um if you have
comments you want to say ho this is who
[3:31] we want there's a place to do that
online do you want to chime in there how
[3:36] do we do that make a comment we know
Daniel would be great so
[3:39] » the the best thing to do is to contact
the city council at councilprovote.gov.
[3:46] Okay.
>> Um and to give your feedback if you
[3:48] think he would be a representative for
president on the north district.
[3:55] » Okay. So there you go. And and just for
your FYI, my turn's up in December 31st.
[4:02] So if you want to do edge area, you can
apply for this.
[4:06] » Not that you'll be automatically the
chair. So don't be afraid of it. You'll
[4:10] be on the board. they reelect the board
chair vice chair every year. Um so
[4:16] there's our plug. We're gonna start out
with bird giving us results of traffic
[4:21] studies or authority studies.
Um and then we'll turn the time over to
[4:27] officer Hutchinson and
[4:33] do you want mic that way?
[4:41] Okay, we have three studies, two graphic
studies and definitive studies tonight
[4:47] studies
[4:50] probably
this will be on all three studies that I
[4:55] show. So I'm just going to pause here.
Let's take a look at the definitions of
[5:00] what average speed [snorts] means, what
the 85th percentile means, the volume. I
[5:06] think we all know what number of
vehicles are. And then the directional
[5:11] distribution or directional split,
that's the direction of percentage
[5:15] travel northbound versus southbound or
eastbound versus westbound.
[5:21] Okay, with that um banning drive which
um runs from Cherokee down actually this
[5:29] is uh
not Cherokee Cher here but we studying
[5:34] banning tri request for banning drive
down from temp
[5:38] to uh think that's no but it's not um so
close what is it
[5:47] » and uh we take a look at that is just a
local street. It's fairly steep uh
[5:53] especially on the curb.
Uh so we looked at our craft jade over
[5:57] the last uh three years and we've had
one crash that's been reported. You can
[6:02] see it's in 2023. No injuries, property
damage only. It was a sides swap and
[6:08] sideswiped in the opposite direction and
weather related. And you can see that
[6:12] it's wet, snowing, and during the day.
Um this is where the batch location
[6:18] happened. So near the infection,
which quite frankly I would have thought
[6:24] maybe it might have been coming down the
C grade. It wasn't. Uh this is our
[6:30] monitoring location. This is where we uh
put our traffic colors out. We'll take a
[6:35] look at our um volume and our speed of
the vehicles.
[6:41] So we looked at about 60 hours, 59 hours
for 3 days posted to 11 is 25. Our
[6:48] northbound average speed was 29, but our
85th percentile was 33. Our southbound
[6:53] was 30 per average speed and our 85th
percentile was 34. So overall, we're
[6:58] looking at the 2933, which is an awful
or unexpected for a steep grade of 8%.
[7:06] Um, that's not too bad. Um, I always
like to show this. Um, this is the
[7:12] highest speed that was registered. Um,
you can see that some bad apples were
[7:17] doing 41 to 45 and then we had five do
46 to 50 in that category. Um, I look at
[7:25] those and I usually look at the times
associated with those. Um, they can be
[7:31] any hour of day.
Most of them tend to be at 10:00 to 1:00
[7:37] a.m. in the morning, 10:00 p.m. to 1:00
a.m. But I even see 3 in the afternoon.
[7:43] So when a resident calls me and says
they're doing 50 or 60 miles an hour on
[7:47] my street, I believe them because I see
this data right now. Not everybody is
[7:53] going that fast. Just a couple bouts.
So we turn to look at the volumes. I
[7:59] think people are always astonished by
how much or how little traffic there are
[8:04] on the road where they live. And so um
okay looking at northbound a little bit
[8:10] more going northbound versus southbound
on a daily basis. So it's a 4852 is the
[8:16] directional distribution. So you have
1,700 vehicles a day on Matt drive.
[8:23] Uh just in summary that's our average
speed and our 85th percentile and what
[8:28] the total number of vehicles were. Um,
as I went out there, I noticed that we
[8:34] have no curve warning signs in advance
of the curve. And so, we'll be putting a
[8:39] work order. In fact, I've already
submitted the work order for these two
[8:42] signs. Um, I expect to see them up in
August 99. We're really busy doing
[8:48] painting for school crosswalk right now.
Um, so I'll share this with the Provo
[8:53] City Police Department for any traffic
enforcement to see if they have an
[8:58] opportunity to deploy um or their radar
if they're put out there to align people
[9:03] going southbound or westbound um that
they're keep their street under control.
[9:10] Okay, that's it for that one. Let's go
to Cherokee Lane.
[9:16] Again, same definitions.
Cherokee. Um, it runs all the way from
[9:25] um from Navajo to Earthquake. So, right
here Navajo comes all the way around and
[9:33] down and ends up here at Cherokee.
And I had that marked in the PowerPoint
[9:40] when I exported the PDF. It didn't show
up. And I'm a little frustrated. So,
[9:45] I'll figure that out eventually. Uh,
Cherokee is just a local street. did not
[9:49] reflect the shri or anything that
uh so crash data we looked at the last
[9:54] two years. We had one crash in 2024 that
reported again it was a no injury
[9:59] property damage only uh but it was speed
related um and weather related. Uh they
[10:05] were driving too fast for conditions
probably and so the roadway departure.
[10:11] Uh here's where the crash occurred. As
you know, if you drive a turkey, you're
[10:16] coming down the hill right there a
little bit and you're trying to get
[10:21] ready to break in case there's cars on
an earthquake. And so that's where that
[10:27] uh accident happened.
This is where we deployed our uh traffic
[10:34] uh data collection.
[10:38] And so what do we end up with? Actually
speeds are very good on Cherokee. Uh the
[10:43] most speed is 25 miles an hour. Uh we
looked at the speed for average was 18.
[10:49] Going northbound, southbound is only 20.
So 23 to 25
[10:54] percentile respectively. So overall is
19 and 24 miles an hour. Uh for the 8th
[11:00] percentile that's outstanding. Um and so
I just wanted to show you that we did
[11:05] have one of each direction that was
going 306 to 40. However,
[11:12] um we look at the number of vehicles
here, less than a thousand vehicles a
[11:16] day on Cherokee. Um that's a really nice
calm rate.
[11:23] What I wanted to show was that um some
of the streets up there are missing
[11:28] traffic control devices. So, we'll put
in a work order. will be installing a
[11:33] yield sign on Mojave, a yield sign on
Mohawk, a yield sign on Moikin, and then
[11:40] a stop sign on Cherokee as it comes in
um to um 14.
[11:49] So anyway, that's where we're at. Um
that's that one, but we got some
[11:55] improvements to do with our mobile
devices. It's always nice to have yield
[12:00] sign letting people know who does have
the right way and who does great.
[12:05] Okay, our 18 3700 North Prop um we
basically had a request if you can get a
[12:12] little on this um it was a school
crosswalk
[12:17] and uh it didn't warrant a school
crosswalk any longer. We had two
[12:21] children using it to head to school
either at Edgemont or whatever. uh met
[12:26] with the school community council and
the school district on this and informed
[12:30] them of the situation and that we would
be removing uh the school crosswalk. We
[12:35] have removed the school crosswalk. We
are converting it to a a regular
[12:39] pedestrian crosswalk and um so they said
hey you know the road the speed on this
[12:46] is 30 and you know we want to feel safer
crosses in the road. So I took a look at
[12:54] um the functional classification on 180
is just local street but 3700 north is a
[12:59] very busy busy collector right
and so in order to have uncontrolled
[13:05] crossing location that is marked
crosswalk I have certain criteria that I
[13:11] have to follow. We look at the number of
to death an hour during peak hour. So,
[13:15] I'll I'll put our cameras out there for
like three or four days and then I take
[13:21] the highest peak hour of the pedestrian
path. So, that's good, right? We take
[13:28] the highest peak hour and we do that
number there. And then I look at the
[13:33] gaps. I look at the highest level of
transit. There's no trans on this
[13:37] corridor. Adjacent land uses. It's all
residential distance crossing crash
[13:42] history site distance. And then I got a
point system where I can avoid or uh not
[13:48] imple implement a crosswalk. So uh the
peak hour was a Sunday afternoon. Uh we
[13:54] had quite a few pedestrians while we got
there.
[13:58] 64 to be exact on that peak hour. It's a
nice summer day. Um and so we have 99
[14:06] usable gaps which accounts for 36
seconds between cars. 36 seconds is more
[14:11] than enough time to walk across the
street. Um so you don't get a lot of
[14:15] points there. highest trans on the
corridor. We talked about the non
[14:18] residential the next closest distance to
markwalk pretty
[14:25] blocks, right? And so our crash data, we
had one crash reported in 2024. Again,
[14:32] it's no injury, property damage. Um,
someone was either turning right or
[14:36] yielding to a pedestrian crosswalk and
got rear ended. Uh, it was dry, clear
[14:40] daylight. Uh, zero pedestrian crashes.
But here's where that crash occurred.
[14:46] right here. Here's the crosswalk that
we're talking about.
[14:51] So, in our evaluation, they scored 30
points, the maximum you can get
[14:56] basically for pedestrian crossing. Uh
the gaps only one point. The crossing
[15:02] scored four points because it's two
blocks away from the nearest crossing.
[15:06] They scored 35 points. Equal to or
greater than 30 points warrants the the
[15:11] crosswalk. So when we cut the signs, we
converted the school crosswalk to the
[15:16] pedestrian crosswalk. And then um
because of the speed and the number of
[15:20] people crossing there, um it's going to
qualify for low pedestrian enhancements,
[15:25] which includes a push button pedestrian
activated uh blocking maintenance. Now,
[15:31] I want to get those in, but I got to
tell you, before I can get those in, I
[15:34] have to do concrete work. I have to go
out bid and go through all the hoops,
[15:39] but I have put in ADA ramps. Neither
side has ADA ramps where that crosswalk
[15:44] is. So, we'll be putting in ADA ramps.
Once the ADA ADA ramps are in, uh they
[15:51] they get that fixed, then we'll go ahead
and put in the red paper flashing
[15:57] beacons. And I think you're really going
to like those. Uh we'll install two 30
[16:02] mph speed limit signs. Uh it's a little
confusing actually. Um there's a 25 mph
[16:10] eastbound sign right there about a block
east of the crosswalk. And I don't know
[16:14] why it's there. It's so um 30 mph is the
the speed limit for the road. And we'll
[16:22] post one about 150 ft east of University
Avenue because the speed limit on
[16:26] University Avenue at this location I
believe is about 40 45 miles an hour.
[16:30] And so as they come off that they need
to know what the new speed limit or what
[16:34] the speed limit on that road is.
And then same thing off of town view.5
[16:40] but uh they'll come off that and there's
pretty peel went up to Canyon and not
[16:46] take and so that's going to be 30 as
well. So right there between Canyon
[16:53] and University Avenue is a 30 m hour.
So, in summary, uh the marked crosswalk
[17:00] did warrant a marked crosswalk and uh
we'll be putting those flashing beacons
[17:05] up there and uh we'll be doing new
pedestrian concrete ramps there and
[17:10] that's it. So, Jennifer, I don't know if
we any comments or questions, Sharon,
[17:16] anymore or where we're at. Um, I don't
need
[17:25] » Hey, I have a super quick question just
[17:31] » um I just wanted to thank you for
getting on the set and I see that all of
[17:35] it is moving forward. I just had two
quick well one quick question. A lot of
[17:40] the data in all of these that you cited
was 2022 to 2024. Is that because there
[17:45] were no accidents in 2025 or 2026 or are
you just using that data set? Just to
[17:50] understand because it looked like it was
pretty standard across all of them.
[17:57] » Um so when it comes to um
most of the crosswalk data I look at
[18:04] five years. I think I had five years on
that one. Um but the speed just a
[18:09] regular traffic study is three years. Um
it used to be about three or four years
[18:15] before you get this data. They're down
to about six months. So just this week
[18:20] they released the 2025 data. So from now
on my the ones I haven't already
[18:28] completed the new ones will show the
last three years counting 2025.
[18:33] » So I use the latest and greatest data
that we have um with the with the state
[18:38] of Utah.
>> Thanks. Okay. So,
[18:43] to answer your question, Bernard, we're
going to move on since we're already
[18:46] behind schedule. And if you have a
question or comment about any of that
[18:50] data, that's part of why I introduced
your reps to you just before we started.
[18:55] Contact them if you know them. If you
don't, reach out to Rachel Breen and she
[18:59] will get your info for contact. Rachel's
raising her hand. So, um Rachel, what's
[19:05] your email?
>> RBRinprovo.gov.
[19:10] So there you go. If you have a comment,
write that down. That's what you can do
[19:14] for this meeting. As we zoom through,
Officer Hutchinson and Hum, run on up
[19:20] here. Come on down.
Um, and then we will be hearing from
[19:25] Malia.
[19:30] Look, we got some ears.
Can't get away with not talking.
[19:38] introducing
[19:41] yourselves.
>> Good afternoon. I'm
[19:45] » talking close to
start.
[19:50] » I'm officer Hudson with the pro police
department. I'm the community resource
[19:52] officer for what the police department
considers district one because we only
[19:56] have three community resource officers
which your guys area falls into what my
[20:01] area would be. Just to put in
perspective, everything east of the
[20:04] freeway and north of 500 north is my
area. That's what I'm responsible for as
[20:07] a community resource officer. Um, what
we do is that we focus on long-term
[20:12] quality of life issues. So, things that
patrol routinely responds to over and
[20:15] over again. Becomes our job to try and
handle such things. Um, the reason that
[20:20] we're here tonight is so that we can
actually inform you guys of some of the
[20:24] resources available throughout the city
that you guys might be able to take
[20:28] advantage of as well as speak to our
special needs registry. So, I'll let
[20:32] Officer count introduce himself.
[20:37] Can you hear me if I don't use this?
[20:45] » Sorry, I offended people sometimes. I
don't have a film, so I apologize
[20:49] advance. I'm Dave. I did a short period
of time, nine months. Um, we have
[20:55] started a new program here for mental
health. So, my specific role is central
[21:00] outreach. whatever you can think of that
pertains to me. It's a very large
[21:06] umbrella. It's not can point to one
specific thing. So, in a nutshell, if I
[21:12] can respond to someone in crisis as I
do, not always the case. Most of my work
[21:17] is followup. So, anybody who you've
admitted to the hospital or like a psych
[21:21] psychiatric email, I follow up with
them. Um, families with severely
[21:26] mentally ill, whatever that looks like,
I follow up with them. There's methods
[21:32] and ways to get individuals help
throughout the city. I work with
[21:37] addicts. So, recovering addicts, anybody
in in addiction, I reach out to them. I
[21:43] often set people that work out with
addicts.
[21:47] But I get judged by working out. So,
whatever. Um, and then special need,
[21:55] which officer
will will discuss a little bit. So my
[22:00] job is just getting information out to
people, letting them know that we care
[22:03] and that there are things not only here
in town but all over the county.
[22:09] Here in town we have a crisis center at
Behavioral Health. It's the receiving
[22:13] center and fellow by Flax Summit. We
have Vantage Point which is also through
[22:17] WAC for kids 12 to 17. There are plenty
of addiction recovery resources. We have
[22:24] Arduatient treatment right here in town.
Um, we have Pit to Recover, which is
[22:29] where I claim to work out. Um, we have
right here in town.
[22:36] We have the Boys and Girls Club. There
are so many things right here in town
[22:39] that people don't know of. So, my job is
to get that out there. Uh, again, a lot
[22:45] of my agency patrol as well. I monitor
what goes on. They'll send me emails or
[22:52] frequent flyers that are calling in with
conspiracy issues that really pertain to
[22:58] a mental illness. Those those don't to
me. Um I'm not a therapist. I have six
[23:06] plus years in the mental health world.
I'm an autistic child. I may or may not
[23:11] be mentally ill depending on the day.
>> Yes.
[23:16] Making class, which she hadn't realized
yet. Well,
[23:20] So that that's kind of what we do. It's
it's a new program in Provo. It it's my
[23:25] passion. Don't know why. Uh after doing
it in the prison for for years, I
[23:30] thought I had enough of it, but I seem
to just get drawn back in. So embrace
[23:34] it. Here we go. But just know we care.
We're out there. If you have somebody
[23:39] suffering, I always say you are not the
the mental illness you suffer from. You
[23:44] are not the drug you are addicted to.
There is a person in there. And so we'll
[23:49] try to find them personally. Fine tune
them. I I go to therapy. I get fine
[23:53] tuned every every two weeks. That's why
I call it a tuneup. So just know that
[23:59] we're out there. We're watching. If
there are specific concerns, I can't get
[24:04] all the calls. I don't work weekends. Um
but if patrol you or your loved ones or
[24:10] something, there's a high chance that
you'll see me within hopefully a short
[24:14] period of time.
[24:19] All right. So my role in this is that I
assist officer Halum when he needs an
[24:24] officer to assist him and go to these
things. And then I have a passion
[24:27] project that I started 3 four years ago
which was to him through our special
[24:31] needs registry. So I found out about
three four years ago that our special
[24:34] needs registry actually wasn't working.
Um our online form was just kind of
[24:39] disappearing in the ether. Luckily we
were able to find all those forms and
[24:42] follow up with them. Uh, but I've done a
lot of improvements to that over the
[24:46] years and gotten a lot of people on the
registry. I know that it might sound
[24:52] like a bad thing, especially registry.
All it does is that it provides us with
[24:56] information for you or your loved ones
that might need additional help, right?
[25:00] People with autism that are known to
wander or non-verbal are a great
[25:04] example. So we have a lot of autistic
children with improv that have been
[25:07] known to wander in the middle of the
night and patrol finding them in the
[25:12] middle of the road 3,000 north on the a
no idea where they came from. They can't
[25:16] tell them where they came from. We end
up with these children for five six
[25:19] hours before we wait for parents to wake
up until we can figure out how to get
[25:22] them home. The idea with this registry
is that as the parents provide us the
[25:27] information, the information is stored
with the police department same way that
[25:30] anyone's information is. If you've
gotten a speeding ticket, we technically
[25:34] have your name and tells us that you got
a speeding ticket, right? It's it's
[25:38] stored the same way. Officers can then
use that information and based on a
[25:42] description within what we call
Spillman, which is our software that um
[25:47] allows us to respond to calls, keep
track of reports, things of that nature.
[25:51] It allows us to look up the individual
by description by saying putting in
[25:57] there that they're between 5'2 and 5
foot six, have brown hair, typically
[26:00] wear glasses, and then officers can go
through and find that individual with
[26:05] and using photos that are shared with
them can actually reunite this
[26:08] individual with their loved ones sooner.
Right? It reduces the chance of the
[26:13] child becoming upset and being
traumatized because they're separated
[26:16] from their parents at the police
department. Don't don't know what's
[26:19] going on. And then obviously helps the
parents because we can quickly re
[26:22] reunite them. Um, and it's effective not
just for that, but it's also great for
[26:27] individuals that may be suffering from
dementia, things of that nature, right?
[26:30] Anyone that's known to longer, as well
as those with special needs that might
[26:33] need a special response. So if you or a
loved one are especially sensitive to
[26:38] light and noise, that's good for us to
know. And we keep that in our local
[26:41] file, as what we call it. So if your
address pops up that we need to respond
[26:45] to your address, dispatch can read the
notes on that and say, "Oh, hey, when
[26:50] you go there, do not have your lights
and sirens running." Right? It could
[26:53] have caused an epileptic seizure or any
situation worse, things of that nature.
[26:58] Um, what we need help with after years
of working and improving this, we're
[27:02] actually working on making this more of
a countywide effort and sharing it with
[27:05] our fellow agencies. So what we need
from you guys is to go out and spread
[27:09] the word. So share it with your loved
ones here in Provo as well as elsewhere.
[27:13] If other agencies don't have a special
need registry within their agency, they
[27:18] can use ours and we it'll get uploaded
to Spillman and that filament
[27:20] information is shared countywide. But we
really need you guys to go out and push
[27:24] the word for these things because then
we can have a better response and better
[27:27] serve the community. So that's kind of
why we're here. I think Rachel said that
[27:31] there's a special need registry cards
outside. You'll see them. They're blue
[27:35] on the back for the QR code. That's so
that way individuals I want to utilize
[27:39] registry scans that it takes them
straight to the website. Um or it can
[27:42] just be found at provo.gov. Click the
police department section. Right there
[27:46] at the front there's a box that says
special need registry has a bunch of
[27:50] information. If you have any questions I
think someone said that my cards were
[27:54] outside. If not I'll put some out. Yes.
So Rachel said that my cards are
[27:57] outside. Feel free to shoot me an email.
Um I do get a lot of emails because I
[28:01] cover about half of Provo. So it might
take me a while to respond to you but I
[28:04] will respond to you. I promise. So I
think that's about all we have.
[28:09] » Thank you so much.
[28:16] » And here comes Malia.
[28:24] » Hi everyone. My name is Malia. I'm a
policy analyst in the council office. I
[28:30] know this slide is really busy and busy.
I'm so sorry. I tried to make it
[28:35] comprehensive for everyone, but I was
asked to give an update on
[28:40] just the update to detach ADU accessory
dwelling unit code for Provo City. So
[28:47] during this past legislative session in
March, the state passed a law um that
[28:54] mandated some changes that all cities
have to make for their detached ADUs. So
[28:59] those state mandated changes are with a
red aster and then everything in blue is
[29:05] any changes that were made at all. So
this is for just the tax. So internal
[29:10] which is like in the basement or it's
part of the home we didn't make any
[29:14] changes the council making changes and
the state making changes. So that's
[29:18] completely the same
>> is au stand.
[29:22] » Great question. It means accessory unit.
So think like
[29:27] you have a basement and you want to rent
out a basement but you're living in the
[29:31] top then that would be an AU. Or if you
have so a detached ADU would be like I
[29:37] have my house and then I have a garage
and it's a twotory garage and above it
[29:41] I'm going to build a little apartment
and rent it out. So that would be a
[29:44] detached ADU. Something like that.
Good question. Sorry. Um, so everything
[29:53] in blue are changes and then I just the
red and yellow is just to say whether
[29:57] the council initiated that change or the
red is the state did. So the big ones
[30:03] here
um the state mandated reducing the
[30:07] parking requirements. So the max is only
two off streetet parking spaces if the
[30:13] unit is larger than 650 or one if it's
less. And then this is a really new
[30:20] change and we have a map on the city
website that's interactive and you can
[30:24] see what purpose qualify or done for
detached.
[30:28] The biggest change is here where
detached 80s are allowed. So now it's
[30:32] any parcel in the city that is 11,000
square ft or greater and allows single
[30:38] family dwellings. So that is a lot of
parcels. It increased a lot. So you can
[30:45] go to that map online and you can see
where that is.
[30:50] » Malia, to that point, if you fall in
that category, you can't just start
[30:56] building now because you think you're
cute. There's still you still have to go
[30:59] through the process. Go to the city, get
your permit, get your rental license,
[31:04] get
>> So just because you qualify under the
[31:08] zone, you also have to qualify under the
general regulations and the set
[31:12] regulations. So just as you have your
cleared on zone, you also have to follow
[31:17] all these as well. So yeah,
>> question. So I typically think of a
[31:23] detached ADU as something that's in
addition on your property, but 11,000
[31:29] square feet isn't small. So does that
assume that there's a bunch of parcels
[31:33] out there that aren't built on that
people will build on as separate lots?
[31:38] » Maybe. I don't know. 11,000. I mean, the
state just said they wanted big lots to
[31:44] be able to have someone be able to build
a separate unit on that
[31:49] » and what's considered a parcel in that
case if it's not
[31:52] » too not free.
>> So this is so my home sits on a little
[31:57] bit more than a quarter of an acre. So
technically if if I meet whatever the
[32:01] requirements I haven't looked at I could
say well instead of a shed back there I
[32:05] want my kids to have a house. That's
what we're talking about.
[32:09] » Okay. You're saying any lot that is
11,000 ft where you can add a detached
[32:14] AD.
>> Exactly. So So my question would be is
[32:18] it in a code yet that um that it has to
be owner occupied? Yes.
[32:23] » So that's part of general regulation. So
back in the black that's been there for
[32:27] decades. That has not changed.
>> All we added is if you are going to
[32:31] build the max your lot can only be 40%
covered in buildings. So you still have
[32:38] to have 60% on boarding space. Um and
then this is another one. So the parcels
[32:44] that the bigger parcels that the state
mandated that now allow detach a use.
[32:50] The council made these amendments here
that the maximum height of the AUS in
[32:55] these bigger parcels can be 25 feet
which is a twotory home and then or less
[33:05] is 25 ft about or less than the main
building. So it can't be taller than the
[33:10] main home. And then if your ADO is over
16 ft, which is about a one-story home,
[33:17] then you have to add an additional foot
of setback
[33:21] from property lines. So if you're going
to be over one story in your detach,
[33:25] then it needs to be further back from
neighbors. That was just to address some
[33:30] privacy concerns that council had about
people building like a second story home
[33:35] in the back corner of their lot and now
there's a second story home next to
[33:39] someone else's property that wasn't
there before. If your parcel is less
[33:44] than a,000,000 square ft. So before the
state came in, it's all the same as it
[33:51] was before. Your height needs to be less
than the name. And then your setback
[33:55] needs to align with underlying dwelling
or can be whichever is less.
[34:03] » Yes.
>> Just wanted to clarify that 11,000
[34:06] square ft is 25 acres.
>> Yeah.
[34:13] » If you have less than you can still
build a use,
[34:17] » but it just
[34:21] in the zone if you're in the zone. Yes.
>> Okay. So, and does it have to have its
[34:28] own power drop or sewer or
>> it does not the council took that away,
[34:33] but it doesn't have to have its own
separate utilities. That was
[34:36] recommendation of our public works and
develop services department that found
[34:40] that sometimes that's unfeasible or
actually unsafe to try and build
[34:45] utilities that way and it might cause
damage to our system or just be really
[34:51] it can but doesn't have to. It depends
on the layout of your lot.
[34:58] » Um, thank you.
>> Any other quick questions for that
[35:04] slide available elsewhere?
>> Will be sending us out with the email.
[35:10] » Right.
>> There there's a link to the slides right
[35:14] now on the North District website.
>> Perfect.
[35:17] » And um I also send it out in the
newsletter. So, if you signed up for the
[35:21] newsletter on the table outside, you'll
get a link to the slides and
[35:27] we we keep them on online. So,
>> okay, great. Moving right along. A
[35:34] proposed change to code. Is this Mr.
Blickinger who's presenting this?
[35:40] » I think there's one before us.
>> The five residential.
[35:45] » I'm not sure.
>> Yes, you're right.
[35:49] Is someone from Gardener and Associates
here? Oh, is that you that just walked
[35:53] in?
>> Okay.
[35:54] » And I here.
>> Oh, perfect. Perfect.
[35:57] » 10 minutes.
>> Okay. If you want to head up.
[36:01] » Oh, thanks Sarah.
[36:06] » I'm gonna say take five so we can have
five minutes of question.
[36:09] » Yeah, I'll try to be quick. So, uh,
>> you can just pull that off.
[36:20] Okay. So, uh developers aren't bad. They
have a specific question, but basically
[36:24] this is a zone change to create uh some
new residential lots on the piece of
[36:30] grant that was just as recently annexed
to the city over the uh previous year.
[36:34] Do we have a slide on the map? There you
go. So, you may recognize this lot. Um
[36:40] there's now I believe a fence on the
north side of it. Um and then this is
[36:47] going to be subdivided so they need to
redone the red agricult
[36:52] which allows for minimum halfacre lots
and they're proposing four lots on this
[37:00] histogram. So that's what this reveal is
all about. Any questions? No questions.
[37:05] I'm like just really curious why the
owners want to have those four lots in
[37:11] those specific parameters. Just curious.
>> That's it.
[37:16] » Seems really weird to me.
>> I Yeah, the the layout of the
[37:20] subdivision is not really
page, so it's just a preference.
[37:26] » Okay.
>> No comment.
[37:30] » No, I mean, you're right. It is laid out
a little little funny, but it's
[37:35] the the lots will probably change a
little bit.
[37:38] » Okay. Uh they probably won't stay quite
that configuration because we have to
[37:42] make some changes because of a road we
have to put through there. So
[37:45] » help us out the zone change that they're
requesting. What would be allowed
[37:49] maximum not what they're requesting?
[clears throat] What would be the max
[37:53] allowed have to come back through the
process again?
[37:55] » Use the
so minimum traffic or loss. Um but
[38:02] they'd have to have public street
coverage. Um so what they're proposing
[38:07] right now is for in the future they get
to more they have to provide more
[38:11] infrastructure with more public road
access
[38:17] and this is still under review but in
that stage um of going through
[38:22] » how many acres is it currently?
[38:27] » 13 acres total.
>> 13 acres total. So we're zoning changing
[38:32] requesting zone change to halfacre lots
like four
[38:39] » well four lots is the proposal but if
they get the zone change they would
[38:43] [clears throat] be allowed
half acre blocks
[38:48] which could be
>> do your math thank you 26
[38:53] » so 26 new
>> but as saying roads and other things
[38:58] would have be inor incorporated into
that plan. Does anybody have any do you
[39:02] have more?
>> Boy, this is going to be hopefully easy.
[39:06] Anybody have any questions
pertaining just to this? Yes, Emily.
[39:11] » Um, just pertaining to this is where
would access be on the roads because
[39:14] that's right by Canyon Crest like the
school like is it just along Canyon
[39:18] Road? So, so this road going to continue
out [laughter] of the game and then this
[39:24] is just going to access the spot here
and then this not one has access
[39:29] already. So just that one new road is
[clears throat] being proposed
[39:34] » right now.
[39:37] » What's the other property subdivided
already?
[39:40] » Uh the home with the home on it in the
middle.
[39:43] » There's a home in the middle.
>> Two homes.
[39:47] » Well, no. You have you just mentioned a
couple lots, but the rest of the space
[39:51] is going to remain as is.
>> Yeah, this this open space.
[39:56] » Erin, can you explain that again? I'm
super confused. So, the the home on
[39:59] Canyon Road with the dirt driveway
stays.
[40:09] » That's that one. Does that stay?
>> Yes.
[40:11] » Okay. And then there's a there's a dirt
road right next to that already.
[40:17] » No, not there. right there. Yeah, that's
already a dirt road.
[40:21] » Okay. So, the new access would be on the
along the south side.
[40:25] » Okay.
>> From what I understand?
[40:32] » No, that's not.
>> So, what's what's the purpose of the big
[40:34] fence that they were putting there? Is
that in preparation for more
[40:36] developments?
>> No, privacy. I assume
[40:40] » exclusivity.
Did you gentlemen want to come and
[40:44] address any of these questions? Eric's
doing a better job than we could.
[40:50] » But but you're right. It's just it's
mostly privacy and they were trying to
[40:54] shut off some of the noise along
Foothill and so that was one of the
[40:57] purposes for putting that fence in.
>> Did you hear that? He's trying to shut
[41:01] out the noises for privacy. Um so at
this point I've been informed. I'm not
[41:07] supposed to necessarily take a poll
because they aren't considered helpful
[41:10] to the city. But if you have comments on
the project or questions specific to the
[41:15] project that they can pass along to the
developer who's here listening, but
[41:19] we'll give a transcript of it. Um,
[clears throat]
[41:22] now is the time for that.
Any further comments, questions,
[41:27] concerns?
>> Okay, love it. Great. Thank you so much,
[41:32] Aaron.
>> Um, okay. Now, now the gun that I jumped
[41:38] to, um, the proposed
change to code. Who is presenting for
[41:44] this?
>> We will be.
[41:46] » Come on up and introduce yourselves
[41:54] and you have um technically 15 minutes
on my agenda. So you'll take five to
[42:00] present.
>> Yes.
[42:02] » Take fiveish to present but you're about
one minute left. Ro will tell you.
[42:06] » Sounds good.
>> And then we'll take a question.
[42:09] » Okay. My name is Barbara Leinsky and I
this is actually my home district.
[42:16] » No
off. Okay, let's see.
[42:20] » I think it wasn't.
>> There we go. Okay. All right. Hi, my
[42:26] name is Bartner Leinsky and this is I
said this is my home district. I live
[42:31] and work in the North Provo area. It's
nice to see some friendly babies and old
[42:37] babies there. and I'm going let you
introduce yourself.
[42:40] » Uh my name is Brett Bolton. I'm also
from this district. I'm one of the
[42:44] partners at the law firm.
>> Okay. [clears throat] So, um let's see.
[42:49] Let me
There we go. Okay. I'll go over the
[42:53] logistics really quickly. So, recently
we have a we have a sign
[42:59] on our property and recently it it gave
up a ghost. It died. And when we went to
[43:06] go get um start to to plan a replacement
sign, um we we kind of took into
[43:13] consideration
years of feedback from people that they
[43:17] cannot find the entrance to the law
firm. Um there it's very hard to see it
[43:23] set back um by code. It has to be set
back more. Um so we actually our
[43:29] property Let's see where's the little
pointer thing. Is it here? Eric, where's
[43:33] the
[43:45] The cat was here and it worked really
well.
[43:49] » There you go.
>> Okay, I got his point. So, so you can
[43:54] see up at the top where it says get
breath. That's right. Get breath. Flip
[43:57] into Robson Weeks. We actually have
1,400 linear feet. So, we have, in fact,
[44:04] um, a co-orker and I were talking about
this. We've known Brett for, I don't
[44:08] know, 15, 20 years. We knew he had a law
office in Provo, but until we went to
[44:12] interview, we couldn't find it. Like,
it's just, it's just hard to see. Um, so
[44:17] when we were looking at getting a new
sign, we were trying to look at ways
[44:21] that we could be a little more visible,
um, increase some safety in people
[44:25] trying to turn into the law firms. Um we
are within the river bottoms design
[44:30] corridor which has a very specific
um mission. You can see some of it here.
[44:36] It's it's it's in the city code if you
want to look at it. Um it's big into
[44:41] preservation improvement of the urban
forest field all of that. Um so we have
[44:47] experienced some ongoing challenges with
both business identification and clear
[44:51] way finding due to the mature
landscaping along the river bottoms
[44:54] corridor and because of our setback
that's required of where the sign
[44:58] placement is. Um we are proposing that
we be able to add just 5t of height to
[45:04] the sign in this one parcel um or any
parcel that is over a thousand feet um
[45:11] which I think is just one. So our
objective is simple. It's to help people
[45:14] find our office, recognize our entrance
safely. The proposed amendment improves
[45:19] visibility and wayfinding without
increasing sign area, adding additional
[45:22] signs or diminishing the corridor's
mature landscaping.
[45:26] So, just to um these are a couple of
pictures that we took while driving down
[45:30] the road. Our sign is set back so you
actually just can't see it. So, the
[45:37] problem is as you come up on it going 45
miles an hour, you can't even really see
[45:42] where to turn. As we get closer, you can
see just a little titch there. Um, and
[45:47] by the time you can see where the sign
is, you've passed it. And we've had a
[45:50] lot of people, I think over the years a
lot say, but the slam on brakes, change
[45:55] lanes, um, turn around, try to figure
out at a 45 mph zone how to turn around
[46:00] and get back in there. Um, this is
coming from the other way. There's just
[46:04] been some vegetation growing that which
we love. We love the vegetation. It's
[46:09] part of the corridor, but it does um
have create some visibility problems.
[46:16] So, under the current code, which is
this now, um we would be allowed up to
[46:20] four monument signs because you can have
a sign for every 300 feet, thank you, of
[46:25] of frontage. Um we talked about that and
we didn't want to do that. We prefer to
[46:31] have one really nice sign that that um
contributes to the beauty of the area
[46:38] and just gives us a little more
visibility. Um I know I just have like
[46:43] probably 30 seconds here. So under exac
regulations in order to increase
[46:47] visibility, we'd either have to well we
have we would have the option of
[46:51] installing up to four signs along our um
1400 linear feet there and become like
[46:57] the alien jerky on the way to Barstow
people, which we don't really want to
[47:01] do. We just want to have like a really
nice monument sign. Um we feel like this
[47:07] this uh proposition of adding just five
feet increases um well it's it it will
[47:13] make it so we don't um create visual
clutter and it still keeps that forest
[47:17] feel that we love. Um
rubal legal suggested that we make a
[47:22] change to this uh code amendment and we
were very happy with it. So this is the
[47:28] actual language. uh it would only apply
to properties that are over a thousand
[47:34] linear feet. Uh so all it says is that
any property that's in this zone in the
[47:40] PO or the shopping center 2 zone um that
has at least 1,000 linear feet can have
[47:46] one sign that's 15 feet instead of 10.
So thank you.
[47:52] Um this is the before and after. You can
see our one is dead right now. And the
[47:58] proposed sign would just give us five
feet in height. It would keep the screen
[48:02] size exactly the same. And I think it
looks nice. And I'm going to turn the
[48:06] time over to Brett to give a little
background on
[48:10] » Okay. Uh well, thanks for uh hearing us
out on this. Um I I was uh not around
[48:17] when this building was built, but I do
know that uh the law firm has tried to
[48:23] be a good neighbor and uh well with our
neighbors and with Provo City. Uh when
[48:30] they approved this building decades ago,
um for example, there used to be a
[48:35] center mediate lane that was required in
the middle of university, which we were
[48:40] the only uh business on that little
corridor that was asked to do that.
[48:44] That's something that we did. They after
we paid for it, they since changed it.
[48:48] It's gone. You'll also notice that we're
the only um
[48:53] uh building along here that has mounted
curbing. like we have a big earth earthn
[48:59] curb there which they asked us to do. So
I guess we just have we feel like we
[49:04] have a long history of being cooperative
and trying to be good neighbors. I had a
[49:08] client tell me once he's like Brad I
can't find your building and he what you
[49:11] really need is you need to get like a
big huge purple dinosaur out front you
[49:16] know and I'm like because then everyone
would know where it's at. I'm like, you
[49:20] know, I see what you're saying, you
know, but we we we don't want have a big
[49:24] purple dinosaur. That's not the plans.
We understand that this street that we
[49:28] all love is we don't want it to be, you
know, State Street in Orum
[49:33] like you're, you know, driving through
Vegas or something. It's not the nature
[49:36] of what we're looking for. Um, and just
very kind of briefly about our law firm.
[49:42] We've been here since 1993.
Our industry is super competitive. Um,
[49:48] and we get 90% of our work from
customers that are happy and refer to
[49:52] friends and family. Um, and I mention
that because in the last two or three
[49:56] years, we've seen a huge influx of
venture capitalist funded firms entering
[50:02] Utah, whether it's from New York or
Florida, Vegas firms. And we have to
[50:08] sort of compete in that that market. And
and the way we do it, we we hope is by
[50:15] being involved in the community. We do a
ton of proono. We take on difficult
[50:19] cases um where we represent victims of
crime and and sexual abuse and things
[50:24] like that. Just very rare niche that we
have. So, um, we feel like we're
[50:31] good contributing neighbors and, you
know, part, you know, participants in
[50:36] our community and we're hopeful to get
an extra five feet so people can find
[50:40] the building a little easier.
>> Thank you very much. Um, so we're going
[50:46] to open up for comments and and I'm
going to start. So, I wrote a couple
[50:52] things down and I don't know if they're
for Brett or for Aaron. Um, but I didn't
[50:57] know I didn't hear mentioned
[laughter]
[51:00] » no Aaron.
>> I meant Aaron city staff. Sorry.
[51:04] » No, I I
>> So most of my question was because I
[51:08] didn't hear anything about setbacks. Is
there a rule that it has to be that far
[51:11] from the sidewalk or from the gutter? Is
that why it's because it looks like it
[51:14] set it too far back personally to me
because I don't see five more feet
[51:17] helping this situation.
>> Um,
[51:20] » yeah. So, so in this corridor there's a
a big bumper. Um
[51:26] it varies along North University Avenue.
Um but they can't go past that because
[51:31] most of that property that's the green
space is the right of way. So they can't
[51:35] put their sign in the right way. They
have to be behind the property line.
[51:38] » Okay, that helps. Thank you. And and my
question maybe to Aaron or to staff
[51:43] somebody would be if it said in code
they could have four signs. We
[51:46] appreciate you not having four signs. If
we're going to change code toad, maybe
[51:50] we change this. Yes, you can have five
of beads if you give away the right for
[51:55] all quarter signs, right? Have just one
sign. I don't know how you work that
[51:58] legally, but
we don't want four signs. Nobody wants
[52:02] four signs. Even the applicant doesn't
want four signs. Maybe we say
[52:09] yes if you get rid of I I don't know
how. That's just my comment for Rachel
[52:15] to send. Okay, Angela. I saw Angela go
up first and then I saw
[52:22] Jason go up next.
>> Hi. Um, so I guess my question is about
[52:30] lighting. Like when the Riverwoods came
in and they put up that light, it get
[52:34] shown up the hill into our house at
night. Are there restrictions about
[52:39] turning those off at certain hours?
There there's lots of rules on lighting
[52:44] and we're familiar with them and
[clears throat]
[52:47] we are compliant with the lighting
requirements.
[52:51] » Yeah, absolutely. We're we're compliant
with it. We we don't want to be we don't
[52:55] want to be Vegas. We don't want to be
offensive. We want to be good neighbors
[52:58] like Brett said. We just want people to
find us. [laughter]
[53:03] » Yeah. Just talk really close to the very
top.
[53:05] » Turn it on.
>> Jason was next.
[53:10] » Yeah. first did an observation. I find
it hilarious that that Berkshire
[53:13] Hathaway sign is more visible than your
sign is.
[53:16] » I know
>> it's a sore spot actually.
[53:19] » Yeah. So, that was uh is
going higher seems like it's going to go
[53:24] into the trees more than underneath the
trees. So, I'm curious why that's the
[53:28] design as opposed to, you know, I don't
know, angling or something. And and you
[53:32] asked the question that I had too is it
seemed like where it sit moved a lot
[53:36] closer to the road to make it more
visible. And is it the is it the the LCD
[53:40] that you want more visible or the signs
that are needed?
[53:43] » We want the whole thing more visible
because we've just got we've had the the
[53:47] we love the growth with all the
vegetation around and and admittedly,
[53:50] yeah, there is there's going to have to
be a little trimming, but we don't want
[53:55] to trim willy-nilly. We want to do it
thoughtfully. We will have to trim a
[54:00] little bit to make it visual, but uh
visually appealing and visually um
[54:04] accessible. But you just having that
height will just make it a little bit
[54:10] easier for people to find us.
>> Is is LC is the LCD your time? Is that a
[54:15] way to advertise? Okay. That you're not
getting a lot of height for the the
[54:19] other tenants below.
>> We didn't want to ask for 20 feet.
[54:23] [laughter]
>> I mean, I don't know which is more
[54:25] important, having tenants and your name
up there or is it having the LCD
[54:28] display? I think the LCD at the top was
going to be the important part as we be
[54:31] able to
>> and kind of what you're hitting at
[54:33] there's there's a sweet spot between the
burm height and then the tree we're
[54:37] trying to hit. Um it's easier to trim
back the trees a little bit than it
[54:41] would be to to take out that whole bank
of earth both ways. So I think that's
[54:46] kind of what we're aiming for. And you
know, as Erin already addressed, we'd
[54:51] love to be closer to the to the road
than we are simply restrict.
[55:00] I see you.
A few years ago, there were a bunch of
[55:05] us that uh fought to
um
[55:12] the doctor gave me a sign imaging center
because he built it too large.
[55:20] Uh I don't know what happened to to the
status of that.
[55:27] I think the city just kind of gave up.
Um,
[55:34] I would try to move this side closer to
the street and make the text larger so
[55:41] it see so people can see it better.
Emily and then Paul just
[55:49] » I just was gonna Is this thing on?
>> Yes.
[55:52] » I know what you guys are hearing. So, I
appreciate that comment, Pam. And we
[55:56] know that the the the sign to the north
of us is is a sore spot and the way that
[56:00] that was handled created a lot of
contention and we're trying to do it in
[56:04] a we are committed to doing it in a much
straightforward and polite and fair way.
[56:10] So I we understand that that was a whole
thing that was hurtful to a lot of
[56:15] people. So
>> and again Pam, we we would love to move
[56:19] it to the closer to the road, but we we
can't. Uh we we we've uh we're
[56:24] restricted to how far back it has to be.
That would be my first choice, too. But
[56:28] it's not possible.
>> That catch plants down.
[56:35] » We can trim the plants a little bit, but
there's also utility stuff there that I
[56:38] mean covered up with plants.
>> A comment back here.
[56:43] » I I actually had
it looked like the code change that was
[56:47] being sought was only applied to
properties over a thousand linear feet.
[56:51] Again, if we don't want to be State
Street or like Commerce Street, how many
[56:56] properties are we actually talking about
that would be affected by it?
[57:00] » Street.
>> But is it is it literally like say like
[57:04] I mean they're putting in some big, you
know, a new place along there. Could
[57:08] another
>> Yeah, I I don't think I don't think that
[57:10] there's a space that's available that
that's long anymore. And is are are
[57:14] things remarkably long? It starts way to
the south almost across the street from
[57:19] the country club and it's just you know
you've got lovers playing for quite a
[57:23] while then set back. So we we can't
identify another property on university
[57:30] » so it's individualized for this.
>> Yes been narrowly tailored so it
[57:34] wouldn't cause a problem like that
>> because we have a very unique situation
[57:39] that's Yeah.
[57:43] » Paul. Hi. Uh, Paul Evans. Um,
the Ford sign issue I see as the same
[57:53] sort of uh
way that Giddy um said, "Hey, look, I
[57:59] could build a bigger sign, so I'm just
going to build this smaller one that we
[58:04] have now." And uh and that was the whole
premise of which the sign there at Lur
[58:10] Rock started. I could build bigger, but
I'll just go to this size set. So, I'm
[58:16] I'm a little bit taken back by this of,
oh, we could build four signs
[58:21] technically, and but we'll just we just
want this one larger sign instead. So, I
[58:27] I see that as the same approach again.
Um, secondly,
[58:32] trees and vegetation need trimming. They
don't just grow pel, you trim them back
[58:39] to what you want. And on the north side
of your property, you've got trees, the
[58:44] branches that go all the way out to the
road across the sidewalk. It's actually
[58:48] hard to get through the sidewalk. So,
you have to first trim back your
[58:54] vegetation so that that that it's a
clear sight
[58:59] um both on the north and the south side.
That would make it uh much more visible
[59:04] for the for the building. The fact that
the building is not readily noticed,
[59:11] I think is uh a testament to the efforts
back when the building was first
[59:17] proposed that it would blend in to the
environment and not stick out. And so
[59:23] the idea that it's blending in is
actually a really positive thing.
[59:28] Finally and not finally, the sign can be
6 ft within 6 ft of the sidewalk.
[59:36] How how close to the sidewalk is it?
Now, I think I I think that we've
[59:41] consulted with Aaron on that topic and
we're convinced that we're as close as
[59:45] we can get, but I'll let Aaron speak to
that if you'd like.
[59:50] » Yeah, right now they're they're
approximately only 3T.
[59:55] So they could technically move it 3 ft
to the west on the new sign, but no
[59:59] question that the sidewalk sway further
out to the right way.
[1:00:04] » Yeah, it's okay. So the uh
um and and the issue is the address
[1:00:12] 30,000
that that's your key indicator of the
[1:00:18] building. And yet that number is as far
back away from the street as possible.
[1:00:26] And in your new proposed sign, that
number is even smaller. So I'm I'm not
[1:00:31] seeing that you're taking effort to help
people identify exactly where the
[1:00:38] building is and what its address is. So
>> thank you Paul.
[1:00:42] » Just a note.
>> Okay. I saw Daniel's hand before. Um,
[1:00:47] and I see one more. I'm going to take
these two more comments. Daniel's up
[1:00:51] front and
>> David. Thank you. That'll be it for
[1:00:56] these comments. If you have other
comments, concerns, questions, whatever
[1:01:00] about this project, you can email your
city council, you can email the planning
[1:01:06] commission, or you can email any of us
or Rachel.
[1:01:10] So uh one thing I like to share comments
toward the start about um possibility of
[1:01:17] having something in the code saying that
these are alternatives either you can
[1:01:21] have signings more frequently or you
could have a taller signing not both. Um
[1:01:27] that uh you know it's [clears throat]
saying hey this is right now it's being
[1:01:33] written so it only affects our property.
I mean this property could change hands
[1:01:37] at some point in the future. There could
be other properties on University Avenue
[1:01:41] that chains at some point in the future
that make it so that there it could
[1:01:44] apply to other um property owners who
don't share the same kinds of aesthetic
[1:01:50] uh you know considerations. Also just uh
out of interest um the high requirement
[1:01:58] code it said um from sidewalk level um
just as a bit of information what's the
[1:02:04] difference there between the sidewalk
level and how
[1:02:07] beneath the current sign I don't know
off hand you know how much is that that
[1:02:12] seems to be an affected part of it at
the beginning we have other places where
[1:02:18] we might not want uh things that are
very high off the
[1:02:23] But here we have, you know, higher B and
so low plants are still relatively high
[1:02:30] off sidewalk level.
>> I believe the code states that it is a
[1:02:34] certain amount of height from the
sidewalk. Am I right? Yeah. So the BM is
[1:02:39] not it's a nonissue.
>> Well,
[1:02:41] » as far as the height, because it basic
goes from the sidewalk, not how high we
[1:02:46] can build a mound. You know what I mean?
>> He's suggesting if you cut the BM down.
[1:02:52] Not so much suggesting necessarily you
can cut this further down for instance.
[1:02:56] I mean because once within the code
again it could instantly get applied to
[1:03:00] some other property if people were
buying multiple properties and at some
[1:03:05] point on university then the fact that
we're done something that's tailored to
[1:03:09] your higher is meaning that some place
where their sign is starting right at
[1:03:15] the same level as street level could
then be putting a 15 foot sign which
[1:03:21] would be more out of place.
>> That's a good point.
[1:03:23] » Yeah.
[1:03:27] Dave, you have one minute.
>> Okay, I'll go quick.
[1:03:33] » Um, thank you. My concern is the code
allows for a 60 square foot sign. This
[1:03:40] sign right now, as it stands, is 130
square ft. So, more than double the size
[1:03:46] of what the code allows. I walk this
street all the time and prior operators
[1:03:52] of the sign with that video the video
board itself is 60 square feet. They
[1:03:57] didn't keep the illumination at at code
for years. In fact, if you walked along,
[1:04:03] you had to put your hand in front of
your eyes because it was so bright you
[1:04:07] couldn't see where you were stepping or
where you were walking. What What are
[1:04:11] you going to do about the size and the
illumination to make sure it stays
[1:04:16] within code?
Uh in terms of the illumination, there's
[1:04:20] that's I think an easy fix. You have to
monitor it. There's instruments that are
[1:04:26] used to do that and
we're committed to following those
[1:04:29] rules.
Uh as far as to the as as far as the
[1:04:36] size of the sign would be applied for
this permit, um this is what was
[1:04:42] approved when we first made the sign. So
I I I actually lack the technical like
[1:04:48] understanding of exactly how that works.
I just know that whenever we do
[1:04:51] something we go through the proper
channel and we have license licenses
[1:04:55] that allow us to do I don't know if you
have anything more on that or not but
[1:05:01] » fair question.
>> Um
[1:05:05] so the sign itself sign is under the sub
page. So it depends on what other
[1:05:13] tenants face like like they're
representing here the name of the law
[1:05:17] firm the tenant name and another
whiteboard those would be evaluated
[1:05:22] building to make sure that you're saying
people with all this combined
[1:05:27] but
[1:05:31] clarification you're saying that the
electronic sign is not part of the 60
[1:05:37] foot copy the 60 square feet copy
We're not saying
[1:05:45] » you're saying that they can have any
sign size widthwise
[1:05:50] as long as it's up to 15 ft of an
electronic sign.
[1:05:55] » I'm saying the total sign area whether
it's one sign or four signs cannot be
[1:06:00] greater than 60 ft.
>> But the electronic sign that's up there
[1:06:05] is 60 square ft.
>> Correct. They All the other wording on
[1:06:10] there is in addition,
>> right? We're not reviewing that sign.
[1:06:14] We're reviewing a text amendment.
>> All right. So, there you go. If you have
[1:06:21] more concerns, reach out to Aaron
>> or Rachel or one of your district
[1:06:27] leaders. Thank you for your
presentation.
[1:06:29] » Questions. It was a pleasure to be here.
Thank you.
[1:06:32] » Um, we're going to move on to the
proposed zone change from her 10. I hope
[1:06:37] we'll end up on our time because I think
this was easy.
[1:06:41] I think
[1:06:46] this one is very very simple. Uh so the
property on the east on the right is
[1:06:52] wanting more land. So they're getting
that from the property on the left. Uh
[1:06:57] that lot line that you see dashed in the
middle is the proposed new lot line.
[1:07:02] Right now it's more to the east. uh
because of that proposed Line adjustment
[1:07:07] that takes the lot to the west below the
AR standards. So they're have to read
[1:07:14] our own set of standard
no development being proposed. It's just
[1:07:19] a lot adjustment that requires no change
to make a complaint.
[1:07:23] » So whatever house sitting on the R17
would still be within whatever.
[1:07:27] » Yeah. The setback and everything would
would comply. Yep.
[1:07:31] questions, comments, concerns.
I love it. Thank you. Okay. All right.
[1:07:39] » So, who is presenting for
[1:07:45] » Bill?
I never know how to pronounce your last
[1:07:48] name.
>> Pepperoni is just fine, but I'll answer
[1:07:51] that.
>> All right. It is pepperoni. Okay. Just
[1:07:55] presenting and this is just updates. I
know you're going to have concerns and
[1:07:59] questions about this one. I'm supposed
to keep it at five minutes. So,
[1:08:05] go Bill. And if you have any questions,
concerns, whatever, city council Rachel
[1:08:12] us save it for August 11.
>> Yeah, we're we're past planning
[1:08:16] commission. We expect it to go to city
council on August 11th at this moment.
[1:08:21] » It's going to be on it's going to be on
the slide.
[1:08:26] question.
>> This is the general um approval process
[1:08:30] for any application in the city. We're
now at the city council stage with the
[1:08:35] planning commission at the end of May I
believe and you'll see the planning
[1:08:40] commission results in just a minute.
So, um,
[1:08:45] plan commission, sorry, June 24th, um,
they recommended by five to do two vote
[1:08:53] not to recommend approval, recommend
denial of the general plan amendment. By
[1:08:58] five to two vote, they recommend denial
of the zoning out amendment. And then
[1:09:03] the concept plan was denied unanimously
because the zoning was recommended be
[1:09:08] denied.
[1:09:14] The applications that will be heard by
the uh city council
[1:09:19] um we're not exactly sure when yet um
will be general plan amendment zone
[1:09:25] change development agreement and
purchase agreement.
[1:09:30] » Those four separate items. Yes, we're at
that point we're anticipating a work
[1:09:36] session discussion with the city council
on the 11th but not an evening meeting.
[1:09:41] So it's just an informative study
session item on the 11th. Um we're not
[1:09:46] sure what will come after that. I think
it's going to depend largely on that
[1:09:51] discussion and what other questions may
come up. So it could be on the 25th. It
[1:09:55] may not be until September.
>> Bill, can you leave that one there for
[1:09:59] just a minute?
>> Sure.
[1:10:02] It's
>> um there's been more of a delay between
[1:10:06] the planning commission meeting and city
council meeting than would be normal
[1:10:10] because city council members have been
asking developers for a lot of question
[1:10:14] a lot of questions a lot of information
developers have been gathering that
[1:10:17] together to prepare to present to the
city council and so those are things
[1:10:21] that will be getting discussed on the 11
for example typically a a traffic study
[1:10:29] isn't done until a later stage but all
of
[1:10:32] But traffic is such a big concern that
city council members have asked them to
[1:10:37] provide some information on that. A
little detail on that. Okay.
[1:10:47] » Um earlier this week at the uh conserve
Utah Valley forum, you mentioned that
[1:10:52] the development agreement has evolved
quite a bit since what was seen at the
[1:10:56] planning commission. Will that will any
version of that revised development
[1:11:02] agreement be made public somewhere
because it's currently not on the the
[1:11:06] website? It hasn't been released yet, I
don't think, publicly. So, is that when
[1:11:10] will we get to see that? Will we get to
see that? Just August 11th.
[1:11:15] » Yeah, you should be able to see that
before August 11th. Um, right now we're
[1:11:18] waiting for um the city attorney to
finish redoing it and send it to the
[1:11:23] council office. Once the council office
has been given it, that it can be done
[1:11:28] in public.
>> Thank you.
[1:11:29] » Okay.
>> And then it's usually included in staff
[1:11:32] report the Thursday before
>> the actual city council meeting.
[1:11:37] » Yes. So Thursday before there's be a
large packet of information that will be
[1:11:41] available that will have everything
that's going to be presented to the
[1:11:46] council on the 11th. You'll be able to
get a look at that before the 11.
[1:11:53] as we're working with residents and just
kind of filling them in, what how can
[1:11:58] they weigh in on this is like no public
comments, what should they do?
[1:12:04] » So, the public law has already been very
active. Um, as you know, uh, when the
[1:12:08] planning commission, the planning
commission received 100 pages of citizen
[1:12:14] comment, not 100 citizen comments, 100
pages of citizen comments, plus there
[1:12:19] were 50 people who spoke in the meeting.
So get those uh comments to the council
[1:12:24] in writing ahead of the meeting because
I've had a council person. I know that
[1:12:29] it's really helpful to receive that
before the meeting and not hear a good
[1:12:32] question or good objection for the first
time in the meeting. So that's really
[1:12:36] helpful to send it out before that.
Okay. And I'm sure the council reads
[1:12:41] paid attention to all of this.
>> Well, if you've made a lot of changes,
[1:12:45] do you need to go back to the planning
commission?
[1:12:49] » No. The changes that have been made have
been made to the development agreement.
[1:12:52] The development agreement is a contract
between the city council and the
[1:12:56] developer. Um, in this case, the
development agreement with the planning
[1:13:00] commission because there were a couple
provisions in the development agreement.
[1:13:03] The planning commission needed to weigh
in on, but since the planning commission
[1:13:06] recommended denial of the zone change,
the planning commission didn't need to
[1:13:10] weigh in on those couple items. Okay?
Those items had to do with the height of
[1:13:15] the amphitheater and amphithe.
[1:13:25] » Okay. Wow.
>> Thank you.
[1:13:28] » Thank you so much for coming.
[1:13:32] » All right. Moving along. We have the
neighborhood cleanup which I think
[1:13:36] Rachel has some slides for. Thank you to
all who came and helped clean up the
[1:13:43] Sherwood Hills Park just a little bit or
kind of a lot actually. I think we had
[1:13:49] fun.
Um just one of the activities that we
[1:13:55] planned that we could use our funds for
for refreshments. If you were there, you
[1:13:59] got a donut.
Um thank you to everybody who showed up.
[1:14:07] So we although was Somebody pre done on
that. That was it. Just a slide. Yeah.
[1:14:12] » Yeah. Just a slide.
>> Okay. Um, also
[1:14:17] Emily has gotten you a I hope a picture
about our thing. We're planning a
[1:14:24] neighborhood party at Quo Orchard Park
September 26th. Get excited. Tell your
[1:14:29] friends. We are planning root beer float
at least at this point. Um, the library
[1:14:35] will be there with their van. The fire
trucks will be there.
[1:14:40] It It will just just be a fun time.
We're considering hot dogs. Yes, sir.
[1:14:44] » Which neighborhood? You said the
neighborhood.
[1:14:46] » The north district. I'm sorry. We call
it neighborhood. I use neighborhood. I
[1:14:50] know. I'm sorry. I use neighborhood and
north district interchangeably.
[1:14:53] » So, it's north district.
>> It is the whole north district. You're
[1:14:56] welcome. You're welcome to bring your
extended family and friends, but you
[1:15:00] know, we might only have root beer flows
to 200, but come. We are thinking about
[1:15:07] 5:00, 5 to 7, sunsets at 7:15. So
>> what date again?
[1:15:13] » September 26. We made sure there's not a
BYU game. That's a home game place that
[1:15:18] night.
So [laughter]
[1:15:22] So come. [clears throat] We We will have
fun. Just get to know our neighbors.
[1:15:26] We'll have different city staff there
just to answer different questions.
[1:15:29] » Games.
>> Games.
[1:15:31] Bring your own games if you have
something you just love to share.
[1:15:35] We hope to see everybody there. We're
excited. Last time we did this a couple
[1:15:39] years ago, it was a good time. Just fun
to just hang out. So, come one, come on.
[1:15:45] » Yeah. Again,
>> the Quail Orchard Parks, the new park on
[1:15:49] Canyon Road about 4,000 north.
>> Um,
[1:15:56] » so just Tim View.
>> Yes, you can get there from Temp too. I
[1:15:59] just never do. Sorry.
So about 4,000 north temp or canyon road
[1:16:05] preferably walking. There's not a lot of
parking car.
[1:16:10] Um we have a request for Matthew Grant
from Heather Bridgen. Are you here?
[1:16:16] » There you are. Come on up. She's got 10
minutes to present this.
[1:16:25] » I'll try and make up time.
Um,
[1:16:30] okay.
[1:16:34] Now, can you hear me? Okay. Um, I
present to you today to request to
[1:16:38] receive approval for the York 5. This is
on 2950 North, 555 East is my home
[1:16:46] address. It can be right in front of my
house. Um, this is an edge neighborhood.
[1:16:52] Um, introduction. I moved in to I'm from
the area. I was up Foothill when I grew
[1:16:58] up. I went to Titu. I lived across the
street from Titu when I now bought a
[1:17:03] home in 2018 on 2950. Um we love the
neighborhood. We love the area and um
[1:17:10] it's not hard to buy a house in the
neighborhood. It is hard to slow traffic
[1:17:15] in the neighborhood. Um so why I'm here
are all these cute people in my life.
[1:17:21] And um this top picture of my daughter
on the couch, that's Lucy. Um we got her
[1:17:30] when my daughter was like a year old and
unfortunately we lost Lucy
[1:17:36] on our street by a car that was going
too fast in 2023.
[1:17:41] Um, ever since I moved in, I've been
trying to do something about the Steve
[1:17:47] on our street and 2023 I've been getting
very active about doing something on my
[1:17:53] street. So, my ongoing efforts, it's
funny, and I just realized this back in
[1:17:58] 2022 was the year almost to the day um
our dog was hit.
[1:18:04] my first email
2022 been working on this for a very
[1:18:10] long time. So after that we got bird
going in a bit email bubble and then
[1:18:18] I've been to meetings and I still don't
have anything going on my stream. So I'm
[1:18:23] here again to try and get something
going on my street. So if you're not
[1:18:28] familiar this is where Edgemont Auto is.
Um, right here at Auto State Market. I'm
[1:18:35] right here
in the middle of that street before you
[1:18:40] hit up Bang. I know we talked about Bit
when we first got here. People are
[1:18:44] running down Banic. They sometimes stop
at the stop sign and then they keep that
[1:18:48] speed going down street with lots of
little kids that have almost hit.
[1:18:55] So, Ver has done a few traffic studies.
first one done um April 2024 was listed
[1:19:02] on top and then he came back and did a
second study in July of 2024.
[1:19:09] Um you can see the seeds overall average
speed it says 29 um
[1:19:16] which doesn't seem very fast but
people are not always 129. Um
[1:19:24] Ver's also really concerned about how
many cars are on the street. I don't
[1:19:29] know how many that
pointer thing, but I'm getting like
[1:19:33] 3,000 cars passing my house. And this um
summer, we're getting a lot more cars on
[1:19:41] our street. Um so that was really
concerning the amount of cars.
[1:19:47] So here comparison between the studies,
um obviously more cars than we're
[1:19:52] getting. Um
just a comparison of the two.
[1:19:59] Um, so call me ideas. I'm proposing
um to get the your speed sign on my
[1:20:07] street
for all the reasons I already said.
[1:20:14] [laughter] Okay. Um, Bern has also
talked to me about putting up
[1:20:18] delineators. this picture on the right
here. Um to narrow the road
[1:20:24] here, this right picture again
to have cars slow down, bring attention
[1:20:31] to their speed. When the street is
narrowed, cars slow down. And that is
[1:20:37] that's something I talked to about also.
So
[1:20:43] » you mentioned you were going to talk to
another neighbor about us moving those.
[1:20:47] » Yes. So, the problem was last year,
this is my house here.
[1:20:54] » Yeah, that one. This house was vacant
for a couple years, and it just been
[1:20:59] very long to do this. So, we decided to
finally do construction, tear down that
[1:21:05] house, and they're currently building a
beautiful house of craftsman. So, we
[1:21:10] couldn't get the millimeters right in
front of my house. So, I've gotten an
[1:21:14] approval from the neighbors. They're
here.
[1:21:17] um from my neighbors to the east and
people across from them. So we're
[1:21:22] talking about this cute house with a tin
of a tree and this house. So this one.
[1:21:28] So we just bumped it up
for the
[1:21:33] » Yes. Both of them have.
>> So do we still want the new
[1:21:41] » So Heather [clears throat] have a
comment because I remember Vern. Correct
[1:21:45] me if I'm wrong, but Vern said to do
those calming measures would be
[1:21:50] sufficient.
But my understanding is your neighbors
[1:21:54] did not want it was going to infringe on
the space they could park your car into
[1:21:59] the park. I think
you guys on 2950 need to get your cars
[1:22:04] off the street. That would that's the
number one thing because I mean I know
[1:22:09] everybody likes to park on the street,
but 2950 is a narrow street. 2875 28 is
[1:22:15] not a narrow street. It is a very very
wide street much wider than wants to
[1:22:20] give up their street parking.
>> No, no, not nobody. The people down west
[1:22:27] » which was our second option for the
deliminators. They did not.
[1:22:31] » Okay.
>> So, one is an elderly lady. She actually
[1:22:33] lives in her home alone, but her family
comes to visit. She did not want that.
[1:22:37] The other people across the street have
10 kids. They have visitors all the
[1:22:41] time. They were very willing to give up
part.
[1:22:45] » Okay.
[1:22:48] » Okay. So, that was kind of to my
question. It sounds like if you have
[1:22:52] approval for the delineator, you're also
asking for the USC sign,
[1:22:56] » right?
>> How much does that [clears throat] cost?
[1:22:59] » So, that's I'm going to give that one to
Rachel because I'm hoping you have those
[1:23:02] numbers somewhere. So, what we're asking
here, in case you're unfamiliar with the
[1:23:07] matching grant program, Pro City has a
program wherein that they um
[1:23:13] not give but
assign a lot, that's a better term. They
[1:23:20] all lot so much money to each district.
Now, it's by district, not neighborhood.
[1:23:26] So, each district is allotted a certain
amount. I mean, $7500,
[1:23:32] » correct? per year
um that we're allowed to say, "Oh, yes,
[1:23:39] Provo City, spend that money on this
project. Please, we as a group get to
[1:23:44] vote on that." Um
and then we as a board do something
[1:23:49] else. I'm not sure. Anyway, so to that
7500, you're thinking, "Well, that's not
[1:23:55] a lot of money."
Um, if we volunteer, maybe you saw some
[1:23:59] cute slides for the for the cleaning up
the park, every person that showed up
[1:24:05] gets credit to match those funds.
So, if you come and you put in um
[1:24:12] service hours that are visible service
hours, we get to match up to $7,500.
[1:24:20] And I think they pay you, not that you
will ever see it because it goes to the
[1:24:25] matching grant, but they give a credit
of $10 now $15 an hour. We got a race
[1:24:31] $15 an hour to be working in our area
that we can also. So we would have
[1:24:37] $14,000
$15,000 to spend for projects. Rachel,
[1:24:44] what would this sign cost? So, uh, your
speed sign costs $3,186
[1:24:53] and currently in available funding,
you have because you haven't done a
[1:25:00] matching grant for you didn't do one
last year, you have $16,128
[1:25:07] that's available, you've only earned
5,354
[1:25:12] of that. So, you can spend right now
5,354,
[1:25:19] which is more than the 3,186
that this sign would cost. Um, and and
[1:25:25] you would need to do more service hours
in order to earn that full amount of the
[1:25:31] 16,000
>> for something else, which we haven't
[1:25:34] heard about yet. If you have a project
you think would benefit our area,
[1:25:39] you talk to Rachel and she'll walk you
through the application process.
[1:25:44] So at this moment, yes,
the um the narrowing that would be
[1:25:50] covered by the city and not a matching
grant. So we're just talking about the
[1:25:53] speed side, the speed, the matching
grant money. So the narrowing could
[1:25:58] happen anyway if that's not
>> okay. And so to that end, we can vote to
[1:26:06] postpone this for six months until the
city is done. We have a few options but
[1:26:12] not a lot of time at this one. Thank
those choices. Emily has a question.
[1:26:17] Just idea was if that's put in there,
will that push the speedy traffic onto
[1:26:23] the roads just adjacent to it? Like has
that thought of it all? I drive that
[1:26:29] every time I go to work. Sorry. [gasps]
[laughter]
[1:26:34] That's where I work and I do. And that
would be my comment to this. I'm not
[1:26:39] sure your street sign would work. And
this is just Sharon's opinion, personal
[1:26:43] opinion. I know traffic engineering.
Just as I drive because it's such a
[1:26:48] short distance. I know where it is on
Drive, where it is on Canyon Road. I
[1:26:52] slow down when I see it. Oops. Sorry.
And I slow down. I'm already going that
[1:26:58] slow on this street because it's such a
short distance. But I think the people
[1:27:01] zooming through there, frankly, I don't
think they care very much. So I don't
[1:27:05] think they're going to care if they see
flash. They're gonna say cool look at
[1:27:08] me. But that's just my opinion. So
that's why we want your opinion on this.
[1:27:13] Do you want to send these mapping grants
funds that that otherwise well I have no
[1:27:21] other projects in the pipeline. So
>> I I just have one more thing to say. um
[1:27:27] back in January 15, 2025. Down here is
this bottom where it starts with
[1:27:32] residents at the meeting voted to
support the poor with Richard's
[1:27:35] application first and then we took a
vote and you all voted to do mine
[1:27:39] second. I'm just wanting it out. I'm
here again
[1:27:44] July 2026
>> with two dogs, six kids, and I'm still
[1:27:52] here. Really frustrated.
All right, ma'am. I'm sorry your name.
[1:27:56] » Oh,
>> I have a neighbor.
[1:27:59] » I'm Jennifer. I'm the neighbor and I
want it so much in front of my house. I
[1:28:04] want the road narrower. We've owned our
home for two years and the very first
[1:28:09] winter when we had snow. I was out
shoveling my walk and the big giant SUVs
[1:28:16] flying past me were sending a hail of
snow up over me halfway into my yard. It
[1:28:22] was terrifying to clear my walk. And
that's when I talked to Heather and
[1:28:27] found out about her poor dog. You have
to understand this was a brutal murder
[1:28:32] of her dog in front of her family.
People are going too fast on our street.
[1:28:38] And every time B does a study, they're
getting faster and they're getting more
[1:28:42] dangerous. And we are not a collector
street. Indian Hills is a collector
[1:28:48] street. We are a local street and we
have seven families of little kids on
[1:28:54] our street. So I desperately want the
road narrower in front of my house and
[1:29:00] the sign to help people realize, oh, I'm
on a local street. We happen to sit
[1:29:06] between two collector streets, but we
are a local street.
[1:29:10] » Okay. And that's I wasn't implying in
any way that we should slow people down.
[1:29:15] I think the delineators do it. And I
disagree with Scott adamantly. I think
[1:29:19] the part covers actually slow people
down because [clears throat] I can't
[1:29:23] pass.
>> The construction that's been going on
[1:29:25] for a year across me has not slowed
down.
[1:29:29] » All right. Well, there we are. So,
>> we're going to vote on
[1:29:37] whether or not you would like to see our
matchy grants go towards this project
[1:29:44] with this year. Jason, did you have a
question?
[1:29:46] » Yeah.
>> Is it a use it or lose it grant kind of
[1:29:50] thing?
>> Um, the city goes back and forth between
[1:29:52] use it or lose it annually and their
fiscal year is um June July 1st to June
[1:30:00] 30. So, so that makes us hard because of
course we get into it. No. And
[1:30:06] » the city council voted that it can be
rolled over
[1:30:10] » and and that's what I was going to say.
how right now it can be rolled over and
[1:30:14] that's why you heard the man so much.
>> Now it's it can be rolled over.
[1:30:20] » Yeah. I don't mean to be uncsensitive
about it. I mean the trend was going
[1:30:23] down in terms of speed. 27 being the
average is probably the same as every
[1:30:28] neighborhood.
>> I saw 33 on there in one slide of
[1:30:31] » it was 85%.
>> Brett Brett comment.
[1:30:35] » Yeah. I we used to live right at the
bottom of Indian Hills Drive and so
[1:30:39] Indian Hills Drive and then Indian Hills
Circle that that we lived there for
[1:30:44] years and we had we we have a bazillion
kids that are older now but we were
[1:30:50] terrified because it's so fast coming
down those hills and these guys are in
[1:30:53] the same boat, you know, and so we we
fought forever to try to get a stop sign
[1:30:57] or roundabout there to no avail. Um but
uh they did add the bike lanes which
[1:31:04] narrowed it which did seem to slow it a
little bit. Um but um I just think
[1:31:10] anything you can do to slow traffic is
great. Narrowing the signs, the speed
[1:31:15] signs. Um you know we one of the things
we do at our firm is we have the
[1:31:20] difficult task of frequently
representing family whose whose children
[1:31:24] are killed in as pedestrians. You know
that's just something that it happens
[1:31:29] all the time. And so, you know, I would
be a strong supporter of belt and
[1:31:35] suspenders on this. You know, narrow it,
put a sign on, like whatever whatever,
[1:31:41] you know, approved things or are
available you ought to do because you
[1:31:45] you really are going to save a kid
eventually by doing that.
[1:31:49] » So, I'm going to simply phrase
the motion. I make a motion that we
[1:31:54] approve $3,000 to put a seat sign on
2950 North 558
[1:32:00] » or whatever the total is 31.
>> Would it be two signs and one in each
[1:32:05] direction?
>> The one that's been proposed requested
[1:32:09] at this moment simply is weather
traffic. It's not for each traffic and
[1:32:13] that price is for only one sign.
Emily's made a second that we send those
[1:32:20] signs that way.
[1:32:24] Hey, all in favor
[1:32:31] » you do have to live in our north.
[1:32:41] I see one person. Okay.
By the way, you need to be.
[1:32:51] All right, we are past our time, but
just FYI, so I'm going to say if you
[1:32:56] have North District concerns,
um, again, reach out to
[1:33:02] us or Rachel or the city council. I am
going to give one minute to the Provo
[1:33:09] School District because in case you
haven't heard, they want to raise your
[1:33:13] taxes.
Loa is going to time you. So,
[1:33:17] » okay, really quick. We are asking for
$1.3 million and the majority will go to
[1:33:21] teacher salaries. A small portion will
go to our service debt. Um, it's overall
[1:33:27] just under 2% and a $5,000 500 $5,000
home. A $500,000 home will pay around
[1:33:35] $30 to $40. So, a $500,000 business pay
about $60. This coming Wednesday, uh,
[1:33:44] August 5th, is our meeting at 6 PM where
you can come and make comment to us
[1:33:50] before we make a vote at the Provo City
School District building at 6 p.m.
[1:33:56] » You can also email, you can also email
board of education at provo.edu edu with
[1:34:01] questions or concerns before or come at
[clears throat] night.
[1:34:06] » And I'll be back in the back if you want
to ask those questions after. And if
[1:34:11] you're really really concerned about how
much this really means for your home,
[1:34:14] you should have gotten your valuation
notice just in the bottom, but you
[1:34:18] should have it in your hand.
[clears throat] So, thank you so much
[1:34:20] everybody for coming.
We couldn't do it without touch. Thanks
[1:34:24] very much.
[1:34:28] Um, I was just confirmed because