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Good evening. We apologize for the

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slight delay in our start this evening.

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We welcome you to the Provo City Council

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meeting. [clears throat]

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It's 5:33 p.m. on Tuesday, August 11th.

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We'll begin with a roll call. Councelor

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Bogden,

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» Becky Bogden,

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>> Travis Hoben,

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>> Gary Garrett, Jeff Whitlock.

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Was it wasn't on. And are the other

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counselors online yet, Kevin?

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>> Yes, Craig Christensen is online.

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» Okay. And we expect um Katrice shortly.

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>> Can you hear me, Gary?

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>> Yes. Thank you, Craig. Rachel, are you

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online now?

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>> Yes, I was. They just barely made me the

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panelist. I couldn't talk before.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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Our opening prayer this evening will be

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offered by Lynn Sorenson, one of our

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neighborhood chairs from the Pleasant

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View neighborhood after which

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councelor Whitlock will lead us in the

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pledge of allegiance. Len.

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» Eternal Father,

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we thank thee for this opportunity to

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gather as community members,

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citizens, and residents.

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We are grateful for our forebears who

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helped us to have this opportunity, and

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we're grateful for our current leaders

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in the community, the state, and the

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country.

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who work to preserve those freedoms.

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We ask you to be with us in this meeting

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that we might have clear minds, that we

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might be respectful of one another.

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We pray most humbly for our neighbors in

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the state who are costed by fires and

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those across the continent.

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We pray that those fires might be

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abaded.

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Again, we thank thee for this

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opportunity and do so in thy holy name.

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Amen.

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>> Amen. Please stand and join me in the

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pledge of

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>> allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the rep for it stands

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nation

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and justice for all.

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Thank you, Councelor Whitlock, and thank

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you, Lynn.

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To begin our meeting, we have a period

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of of recognition. We're going to be

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recognizing a um one of Provo City's

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employees of the month. Before we do

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that, we have uh ALS another recognition

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that we're going to do. Um

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Erin, did you make your way in here yet?

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I know you're presenting later.

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Okay. Well, we'll surprise him at a

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later time in the meeting. Then

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[clears throat] Erin, as you'll see,

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he's presenting later on one of our

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items. He's been one of our planners

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here in the city for 18 years, and this

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is his last meeting. So, um, we'll come

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back to that with that. Then, Chief BBE,

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we'll turn the time over to you for the,

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uh, employee recognition.

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Council, thank you for the opportunities

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to recognize one one of our awesome

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employees.

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Denise Hernandez, would you please come

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forward?

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I gota say she thinks that she

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uh victim advocate Denise Hernandez is a

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champion for the citizens of Provo and

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for everyone who needs support during

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her two and a half years with Provo

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City. She first served as a a part-time

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court advocate before transitioning to a

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full-time victim advocate. Her strong

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work ethic, organizational skills, and

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compassion allow her to provide

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exceptional service to every client

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regardless of their circumstances.

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As an affluent Spanish speaker, she also

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provides valuable interpretation and

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translation assistance throughout the police department and other

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departments within the city. Her

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language and cultural knowledge help

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serve many Provo residents in an

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authentic and meaningful way. Denise has

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uh played an important role in

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strengthening the victim services

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department. When she recognizes a need,

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she takes initiative and addresses it.

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She continually seeks training and

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opportunities to improve her skills,

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then generously shares what she learns

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with clients and colleagues.

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As a lifelong Provo resident,

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Denise is an outstanding example of the

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values Provo represents and of the

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dedicated service our city and police

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department provide to our community.

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Please, thank you very much.

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>> Congratulations,

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We'd like to do a council photo if we

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could with you, Denise. Just right down

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here in front. We'll join you down

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there.

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It is a piece, right?

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» All right.

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Aaron, we we saw you walk in. Could you

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come up here as well, Aaron? This is

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Aaron Ardmore, who, as I mentioned, has

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been our planning supervisor and worked

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in the planning department for uh 18

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years. He's likely worked with many of

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you as you've brought projects forward

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to our city. Uh Erin, we just want to we

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will miss you greatly. You've been such

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a resource to the council and helpful in

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so many ways. We appreciate what you've

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done. We wish you well in your new

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venture and uh but I appreciate we'll I

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know we'll hear from you later um this

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evening as you present a project, but we

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just have this small token of

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appreciation for you, Erin. Thank you

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very much.

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>> Erin, where are you going? Where are you

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headed?

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Where are you going? So, I'm going to be

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the planning manager for Murray.

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>> Oh, congratulations. All right. Thank

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>> Thanks.

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» Well, now we've set aside some time now

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for open public comment. As

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a republic a required public hearing

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will be held for certain agenda items

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prior to council action. After each such

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item has been presented, time to comment

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will be provided for all who wish to

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speak. For items that do not require a

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public hearing, public comment will

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still be taken following presentation of

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the item. At this time, 15 minutes have

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been set aside for open public comment

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period, which is intended to allow

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comment on matters that do not appear on

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the agenda, but are limited to topics

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regarding municipal business or within

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council purview. Persons who wish to

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speak during this time

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um can can approach the podium. During

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the period, each speaker will generally

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be limited to two minutes that will

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action will be taken on matters that do

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not appear on the agenda. So, any who

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would like to make po u public comment

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can come forward at this time. We'll

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take comments on Zoom as well if anyone

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is watching online. And just begin your

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comment by stating your name and your

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city of residence.

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And we we've been joined by our seventh

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council member, Katrice, um online as

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well. Katrice Mccay, any public comment?

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Yes. Come to the microphone. And if

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you're [clears throat] going if you're

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just feel free to come up in front here

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if you'd like to make public comment as

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well and you can just uh form a line.

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» My name is Brooklyn Lawrence. I live a

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two-minute bike ride from here. I have

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geared up for some time to address

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concerns about housing and rent in

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Provo, but I've tabled those comments

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after an experience on July 2nd, showing

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me something far more imminent to my

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life. On Thursday, July 2nd, I had a fun

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evening planned biking to Bridalville

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Falls with my mom, brother, and daughter

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in her bike seat. On this trail, much

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like bike lanes throughout Provo, rogue

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right turners want perfect visibility,

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wanting perfect visibility, pummel

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through crosswalks at high speeds, which

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turns every intersection into a complete

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stop for bikers who can't perfectly

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trust that white walking man sign. On

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July 2nd at the office at Riverwood's

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intersection, I had such a white walking

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man sign, and uniquely a large black

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pickup truck, the kind with tires waist

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high and a hood shoulder height, was

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already parked there respectfully behind

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the crosswalk lines. Though his windows

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were tinted darkly, and I couldn't see

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if we had made eye contact, I stopped to

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ensure he saw us and also to allow my

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family to catch up so we could all cross

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together. The white walking man's sign

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was still boldly white, and traffic the

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other direction had a green light when I

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entered the crosswalk. My front tire had

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almost cleared his car when he was

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suddenly lurching forward. Could he have

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lifted his foot off the brake

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accidentally? Surely, he saw me directly

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in front of him. The truck slammed into

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my front tire, forcing my handlebars the

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wrong direction, making the whole thing

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lean until his tire was in my left

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ankle. I heard myself yell, and he

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stopped and backed up. Four or five feet

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from his head, I could make out his look

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of surprise and embarrassment and what

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appeared to be his phone in hand. But

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what if we had been a little further?

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What if Brier, my daughter, in the back

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seat, had been what made contact with

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him? Or my stomach carrying my unborn

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20week second child had made contact. As

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an adolescent, biking safety is

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different, and I implore Provo City

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Council to help us achieve platinum so

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that we can protect our younger Provo

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resident.

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Thank you, Brooklyn.

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Thank you. Please do. Sorry about the

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experience that you had. Glad that we

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have public safety officers here who

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have made a note as well.

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» Hello, my name is Cullen Stockdale and

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I'm a constituent from Provo. I'm here

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asking that Provo creates a formal

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policy that prohibits the Provo Police

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Department from entering into a 287g

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agreement with ICE. I believe that the

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county police and the Riverton police

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have set a dangerous precedent by

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entering into this type of agreement and

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that we should not follow suit. ICE

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tears apart families and acts in ways

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that are a disgrace to law enforcement

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and democracy. And if we were to enter

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into this agreement, our own officers

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would be seen in the same way. I ask

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that you please create this policy for

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the safety of the people living in

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Provo. Thank you for your time.

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>> You're welcome. Thank you.

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Does it matter? Okay. Uh, good

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afternoon. My name is Isaac Low. I'm a

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resident of Provo and I also want to

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speak about ICE today. Um, I firmly

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believe that the presence of ICE in our

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neighborhoods weakens our community and

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undermines trust in the government,

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including at the local level. Um, and on

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the topic of trust, I want to propose

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some ways that we as a city can

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proactively help all of our residents to

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feel safer. Um, I recently emailed the

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council and the mayor about some

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specific suggestions uh on how we as a

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city can build that trust and limit

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local entanglement with federal

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immigration enforcement. And a full list

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of those suggestions can be found at no

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iceinutah county.com which has been put

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together by a loose coalition of

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concerned citizens and and volunteers

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including myself. And I would urge you

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to um look over that. Um, I'm grateful

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for the reply I received to my email

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from councelor Bogdan, um, which linked

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to a Facebook post from the Provo Police

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Department that listed the ways in which

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they do not collaborate with ICE. I do,

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however, feel that this is insufficient

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without any official law or policy

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behind it, especially when it comes to

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that trust that I keep mentioning. Um,

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items two and three from the previously

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mentioned website feel particularly

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relevant and they're also not without

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legal precedent according to my research

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and I just want to read those. Um, one

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has already been mentioned. It is to

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pass a formal resolution prohibiting

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local law enforcement from entering any

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287g agreement with ICE either now or in

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the future. And two is to pass a formal

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policy directing local law enforcement

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not to honor ICE civil immigration

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detainers without a judicial warrant

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signed by a judge rather than an

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administrative warrant signed by ICE

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alone. Um, I know that the council can't

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respond to public comment directly in

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the moment, but I would love the

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opportunity um for me or one of my

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fellow volunteers to discuss this

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further maybe in a future council

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meeting or work meeting. Um, and you can

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reach out on that same website. And I'll

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just say it again, no ice

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inutahount.com. Thank you for your time.

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>> You're welcome. Thank you, Isaac.

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Um, in I think I believe it was 2016.

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>> Your your name and city of residence

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>> and city of residence. Yeah. Josh Provo,

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Utah.

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>> Great. Thank you.

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>> Um, so I believe in 2017 there was a

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company called Flock that was

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established. Um, and from my most recent

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research, I came to the conclusion

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there's about 100,000

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Flock cameras throughout the United

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States. And what these cameras do, I'm

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sure a lot of you guys are are aware, is

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they are mainly used to track license

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plates and cars um for traffic reasons,

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also for for supposed security reasons.

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And so I have the I wanted to pose the

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question of I guess what um

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implementations are set in place that

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will restrict the use of these cameras

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throughout the United States. I'm not as

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much worried about or concerned about

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the camera itself. We've had cameras

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through throughout the United States in

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Utah for the longest time at traffic,

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stop lightss, whatever. Um, the problem

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I have is with the data centers, the

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data that the cameras collect

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and I just haven't seen any

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about I came here just to find out if

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there was any thing put in place to kind

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of um restrict the use of those cameras.

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In fact, I don't think they should be

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used at all personally um especially

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with the type of data that they record

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um including facial recognition.

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um further updates that will be used to

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track Bluetooth connections when walking

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by the cameras.

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Um I've read enough books to to know

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that this isn't the type of thing I want

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to have in the United States. Um

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so that is my one concern I wanted to

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address today. I don't know if any

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people in the government in the United

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States are concerned about this and if

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they are I would like to know what is

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going to be put in place to stop the

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progression of these cameras.

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>> Thank you Josh.

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» Any other public comment?

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» Great. Thank you. We will close public

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comment and and any of those who uh have

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offered public comment if they'd like to

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get our email address from our staff,

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we're happy to follow up via email as

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well. Um, thank you again, Chair

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Garrett.

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>> Yes, if I could just make one, I guess

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public service announcement regarding

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the very last comment on the Provo City

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website at provo.gov, gov. There's a

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page that's called the transparency

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portal and on that page under trending

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issues is a link to the Provo City

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Transparency Portal page about flock

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cameras has a bunch of information that

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I think would answer many of your

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questions.

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>> Great. Thank you, Brian. Councelor

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Bogden,

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>> I'll follow up with that. Also, March

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10th, because we have had these and I've

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been replying. March 10th, if you go to

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agenda, no, if you go to Provo City

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Council's YouTube page, March 10th,

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2026, we did have a work meeting session

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about this. It's the first item on the

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agenda. So, if you go to that YouTube

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page for March 10th, 2026, you should be

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able to see the presentation, but that's

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as far as council can go.

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>> Thank you, councelor Bogdan.

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[clears throat]

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Items

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two and three, this item and the next

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one, two and three have been continued

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>> and four

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uh have been continued to another

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meeting. I don't need to read them in,

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do I, Brian? No. Okay. So, um with that,

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they're all related to the Lake View

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Parkway development. We'll continue with item five. [clears throat]

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Item five is an implied motion on an

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ordinance regarding parking requirement

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reductions. This will be presented by

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one of our council policy analyst,

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Tanner Taguchi. Tanner, welcome.

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>> Yes, thank you, councel. So, this item

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is an amendment to a proposal that's

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been through the legislative process

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thus far. It's been amended

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significantly and then I can explain the

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uh proposal that will be that's in the

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draft ordinance associated or that's

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included in your packet.

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» No, it's not.

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There we go. There we go.

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So right now I could explain there are

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two different ways that someone who's

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proposing a development can receive a

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reduction in the required number of

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parking spaces that they need to

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construct as part of that development.

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So in each zone there's a required

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amount uh based on it uh its needs and

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that's laid out in code. If they would

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like to reduce that amount they approach

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the planning commission and they can

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either go one of two routes. the parking

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impact study and traffic demand

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management plan which is essentially

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evidence that the traffic demand will be

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less and that they can mitigate it

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through increasing things like bike

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parking and ride share uh access to

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transit and things like that or to have

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an adequate number of uh long-term and

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short-term bike parking stalls and then

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the parking the planning commission can

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grant a percent reduction in the amount

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of stalls that's required for that

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development. What this proposal would do

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as it's current presently uh written is

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to eliminate both of those avenues to

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receive a reduction effectively making

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it there's no more administrative means

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for a developer to request such a

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reduction. Now, in the previous work

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meeting, we talked about how this

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basically puts the power to grant a

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reduction in the council's hand, not

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explicitly, but by default, because the

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only way a developer could um get such a

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reduction is to ask the council for code

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amendment, a zoning change or amendment

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to a zone, uh an overlay or some type of

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negotiate some type of agreement with a

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deed restriction to ensure that those

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parking desires are met by the council.

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those council desires are met. Also to

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address a concern from the work meeting

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where this was presented, um I read

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through the TDM agreements, so the

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traffic demand management agreements

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that have been fully executed and are

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listed in uh our software at the

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development services department and they

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this would allow it would still allow

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the department to follow up and enforce

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on those agreements that are currently

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in effect.

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And this is just an illustration for

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your benefit of what the process would

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look like if this were to pass. So they

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would come up with legislative solution,

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present it to the council, and then they

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would take one of those avenues to help

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the developer meet their goals.

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I have them open to any questions. Any

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questions for Tanner?

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Thank you, Tanner.

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This item is available for public

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comment. We'll we'll open public comment

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at this time for this item. If any of

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you would like to speak to this item,

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you can come to the podium.

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Seeing none, we'll close public comment

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and bring the item to council for

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discussion. Councilor, any discussion

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that you'd like to have on this item?

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[clears throat] Rachel, go ahead.

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Council,

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>> thank you. Thank you. I as probably will

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not surprise you based on the work

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meeting am completely opposed to this.

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Um we had as well a previous iteration

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of the council carefully thought out

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what the qualification should be for

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parking requirement reductions with the

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advice of our excellent staff. This was

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a well-developed plan and

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I don't see the benefit for removing

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this administrative tool which we

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defined and gave to them to put it back

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on the the burden of the council to do

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this. I believe that the result will be

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less innovation, less development or you

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know, frankly less housing because you

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wouldn't it would be very difficult for

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this council to approve a request for

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parking reduction. That's why we're

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taking out this administrative route

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right now. And if you are spending more

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money and more of your square footage on

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parking, you're spending it less on

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places where people can actually live.

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Um, I believe I'm in the minority on

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this as far as the council goes, but I

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did want to voice my objection to it.

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And I did also want to thank our staff

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for excellent work on this.

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>> Thank you, councelor Whipple. Any other

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council discussion?

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Councelor Whitlock.

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>> Yeah, we had a really good discussion

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about this in our work meeting. One of

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the reasons why this came up is because

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parking continues to become become a

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continues to be a major driver of costs

546
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,000
in development. A parking spot on the

547
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,159
land costs about 12 to $15,000. A above

548
00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:09,200
ground per stall and above ground uh

549
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,799
stall costs 25 to 35,000 and an

550
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,520
underground stall costs 40 to 50,000. So

551
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,840
it's a very dramatic cost. And when we

552
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,159
have a an environment where people are

553
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:22,000
struggling to find places to live,

554
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,679
housing costs so much. It is something

555
00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:25,840
that I think

556
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,080
uh we're I am and I think other

557
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,520
counselors are interested in trying to

558
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,919
find opportunities to find creative

559
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:35,039
solutions. At the same time, parking is

560
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:36,400
a consistent concern we hear from

561
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,320
residents of people wanting to make sure

562
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,640
that uh they're able to park when they

563
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,640
go about their daily lives. And that's

564
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,279
something we really understand. So, I I

565
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,200
personally am interested in this change

566
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,720
because I think it'll help us as a

567
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,400
council grapple with this issue a bit

568
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,480
more and try to understand how we can um

569
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,240
maybe revise those criteria that

570
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,840
councelor Whipple mentioned. Um if this

571
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,039
ends up becoming something where as as

572
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:04,799
councelor Whipple suggested, maybe we

573
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:06,159
never see any of these proposals. I

574
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:07,360
think that would be unfortunate. I hope

575
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,039
we do. I hope we get to see them and we

576
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:10,799
get to review them and try to understand

577
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,520
the scenarios and get better data about

578
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,520
who owns cars in which circumstances. I

579
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,559
think there's a lot of times where we

580
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:18,080
have these conversations. We bring

581
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,600
anecdotes to the table and we say,

582
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,960
"Well, you know, I didn't have a car

583
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,240
when I was at BYU." And then someone

584
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,760
says, "I had a car when I was at BYU."

585
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,279
And then that's the conversation I

586
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:26,720
really want to understand. What

587
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,400
percentage of BYU students actually own

588
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,159
cars? What percent would not like to own

589
00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:31,600
a car but feel like they have to because

590
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,679
they can't get around reasonably uh

591
00:25:33,679 --> 00:25:36,320
without it? Um, I think better data

592
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,600
would help us make better decisions and

593
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,039
I think as we have better data and good

594
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:40,480
discussion, we can potentially come with

595
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,240
a come up with a better long-term

596
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,520
framework.

597
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,840
>> Thank you, Councelor Whit Whitlock. Uh,

598
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,320
Councelor Christensen, I see you unmuted

599
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,110
your uh mic. Do you have a comment?

600
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,000
» No, I I'm actually good to go. I I uh I

601
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,640
do support this because I think the this

602
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,000
the council owes a good response to the

603
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,520
city and instead of just an

604
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,279
administrative approach where we dwindle

605
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,200
down the parking and make parking a

606
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,000
nightmare for everyone. Um I think the I

607
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,840
think the city deserves better and I

608
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,200
think we need to take that

609
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,039
responsibility on and uh improve. So I'm

610
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:19,520
I am supportive of this.

611
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,000
>> Thank you, Councelor Christensen. Anyone

612
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,840
else?

613
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,400
I'm en encouraged knowing that the

614
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,360
administration is looking to

615
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:32,640
connect with BYU proactively and get

616
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,400
some data relative to uh how many

617
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,080
students are bringing cars and how we

618
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,880
can address this important issue for our

619
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,559
city. It's not to say the council

620
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,559
wouldn't grant at least certainly at

621
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,600
least consider a parking reduction for

622
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,559
projects that maybe are near campus, but

623
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,520
um our our hope is to maintain that

624
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,919
control um at the at the council level.

625
00:26:57,919 --> 00:26:59,520
So if there's no other comment, I'll

626
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:05,590
call for a vote.

627
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,120
Councelor McCay,

628
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:11,919
>> yes. Councelor Councelor Christensen.

629
00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:12,640
>> Yes.

630
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,760
>> Councelor Whitlock.

631
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:14,159
>> Yes.

632
00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:15,120
>> Councelor Bogdan,

633
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:15,520
>> yes.

634
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,480
>> Councelor Hoben,

635
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,039
>> yes.

636
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:18,559
>> Councelor Whipple,

637
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:19,440
>> no.

638
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,320
>> And councelor Garrett, yes. So that

639
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,880
motion passes by a vote of 61. Thank

640
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,643
you.

641
00:27:28,653 --> 00:27:29,679
» [clears throat]

642
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:31,520
>> Next, we have an ordinance amending the

643
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,440
zone map classification of real

644
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,039
property, generally located at 313 East

645
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:39,520
200 North from the residential

646
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,799
conservation or RC zone to the

647
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:46,159
highdensity residential or HDR zone.

648
00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:47,679
This will this is in the Waqin

649
00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:49,520
neighborhood and it will be presented to

650
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,600
us by one of our planners, Dustin

651
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,600
Wright. Welcome, Dustin. Right. Thank

652
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,000
you very much. Good evening. Yeah. So

653
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,840
there here's the property that the

654
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,799
applicant is looking to have reszoned.

655
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,360
It's uh just under a half acre of land

656
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,159
in the Walke neighborhood. Uh currently

657
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:08,640
on the property there's a single family

658
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,000
home and also on the property on the the

659
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,039
parcel on the north there's a triplex.

660
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,760
Uh the proposal is to build a 12-unit

661
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,110
town home project.

662
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,240
And here is uh a look at the the zoning.

663
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,320
So the residential conservation zone for

664
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,840
this property, um it doesn't allow for

665
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,600
uh lots to be created or um or new

666
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,600
units. And so that's why they're

667
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,880
requesting a a reszone at this time so

668
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,200
that they can move forward with that um

669
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,000
project. Um

670
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,880
the HDR zone is what they're requesting.

671
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,640
And that's the highdensity residential

672
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,919
that allows up to 50 units per acre. Uh

673
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:56,720
their project would be well under that

674
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,880
at 27 units per acre is what they're

675
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,909
proposing.

676
00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:05,840
Uh our city's adopted a a neighborhood

677
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,000
plan back in 2014. Uh here's a look at a

678
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,240
land use a future land use map within

679
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,080
that document. Uh and the intent and

680
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,279
goal of this uh document is to help um

681
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,200
when reszones come in to take a look at

682
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,399
this to see if what's being proposed uh

683
00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:26,880
fits with what the the future land use

684
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,200
map was um the plan was designed to to

685
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,039
help implement. So as you can see here

686
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,360
um the property is located down in the

687
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,039
in this yellow area which is the

688
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,360
residential conservation

689
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,200
um indicating that uh

690
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,399
the existing zone matches with what uh

691
00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:52,480
is proposed to to continue uh there. So,

692
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,559
higher density type developments. The

693
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,840
walking plan identified uh the northern

694
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,559
portion of the neighborhood to uh locate

695
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,799
those type of uh higher density

696
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,840
developments closer to campus uh to

697
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,760
allow for walkability and and things

698
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,799
like that there. So, you can see at 500

699
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,320
north, that's kind of where um below 500

700
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,360
north is where the conservation of the

701
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,120
single family residential pioneer

702
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,440
neighborhood is kind of focused. And

703
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,760
then the higher density kind of

704
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,480
increases as you go closer to campus to

705
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,230
the north.

706
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,720
Here's a look at the concept plan that

707
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,159
the applicants proposing to uh develop

708
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:40,240
these 12 unit uh town homes.

709
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,159
And then there's some elevations as well

710
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:44,799
of of that project.

711
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,320
um as part of this

712
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,760
because they're asking for the

713
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,720
highdensity residential zone uh which

714
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,360
like I showed earlier has a higher um

715
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,000
allowed density. They're proposing or

716
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,679
profering a development agreement that

717
00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:03,840
would cap the density at 27 units an

718
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,080
acre and not the 50 as allowed in the

719
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,720
zone as well as the height uh to be

720
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,159
um [clears throat] capped at what

721
00:31:12,159 --> 00:31:14,720
they're proposing here at 42 feet

722
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,919
instead of 55 ft. Uh they've also

723
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:19,919
profered a

724
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:22,080
um to do a deed restriction for owner

725
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,799
occupancy within these units for the I

726
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,480
believe the first year or possibly two

727
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,600
years. Um and so that was another thing

728
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,520
that uh was profered there. So it's kind

729
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,960
of an overview of this one. I'd be happy

730
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,240
to answer any questions that you might

731
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,880
have. Thank you, Dustin. Any questions

732
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,909
for Dustin?

733
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:45,760
Okay. Thank you, Dustin. If the

734
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,640
developer is here, we are happy to hear

735
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,320
from him at this at this time.

736
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,120
>> Perfect. And him and or her.

737
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,320
>> Him and or her.

738
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,679
>> I'll take either.

739
00:31:57,679 --> 00:31:59,200
>> Remind us of your name. I'm sorry.

740
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,960
>> Taran Melissa Elkins. Terara. Thank you.

741
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,240
>> Yes. Thank you. And good evening,

742
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,039
council members and city staff. Uh,

743
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,679
Mayor Judkins, lovely to see you here as

744
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:09,279
well. Again, my name is Taran Melissa

745
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:10,880
Elkins. I'm the owner of the property on

746
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,080
313 East 200 North there here in Provo.

747
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,480
Thank you, Dustin, for the introduction.

748
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,080
Um, before I begin, I'd actually like to

749
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,600
ask the council's permission to use a

750
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,279
slightly updated version of our

751
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,440
presentation. The updates simply reflect

752
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,360
a few items we were recently able to

753
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,200
confirm and do not change the substance

754
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,440
of the application. So, wonder if that

755
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,240
would be okay.

756
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:30,799
>> Yes. Uh,

757
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,399
>> and Kevin, if you wouldn't mind. Thank

758
00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:34,240
you.

759
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,840
>> Okay. Thank you all for your patience,

760
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,039
your guidance, and collaboration

761
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:38,720
throughout this process. We truly

762
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,480
appreciate your service and the many

763
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,799
evenings you devoted to our community. I

764
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:44,320
came into this process wanting to build

765
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,320
something beautiful and I didn't realize

766
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,559
I'd also become strangely passionate

767
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,600
about sewer infrastructure. [laughter]

768
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,240
So, with that said, let's dive in. This

769
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,000
property has been home to my

770
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,320
grandfather, my father, my sister,

771
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,480
myself, and now my children. It's been

772
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,559
part of our family story for over 50

773
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,240
years.

774
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,960
This corner property is bordered on two

775
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,120
sides by more than 30 existing apartment

776
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,760
units over 40 feet in height with direct

777
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,240
views into the site. We explored

778
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,919
preserving and reinvesting in the

779
00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:17,600
existing improvements, but the costs

780
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,360
were substantial and the site's

781
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,080
challenges still remained. Ultimately,

782
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,760
we saw an opportunity to create

783
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,320
highquality owner occupied housing that

784
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,159
better serves both the neighborhood and

785
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:30,000
the community.

786
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,159
This project represents nearly four

787
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:34,480
years of collaboration. We've worked

788
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,640
closely with the city staff, neighboring

789
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,559
property owners, planning commission

790
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:40,799
members, elected officials, and the

791
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,480
community through multiple project

792
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,880
refinements. With the city engineering

793
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,880
staff, we've secured additional property

794
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,519
necessary for that HDR eligibility. And

795
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,399
to achieve a better overall site design,

796
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:54,240
we've partnered with public works to

797
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,480
improve the sidewalks and upgrade that

798
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,039
six-inch sewer line into a 10-in line,

799
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,200
delivering a long planned infrastructure

800
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,039
improvement that benefits the entire

801
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:06,720
block. Most importantly, we're proposing

802
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,879
to formalize these commitments through a

803
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:12,000
development agreement that in includes a

804
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,639
perpetual owner occupancy deed

805
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,599
restriction and corresponding HOA

806
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,159
management, helping preserve long-term

807
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,480
home ownership for generations to come.

808
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,480
>> Tara, could could you that last

809
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,320
sentence, did you say perpetual?

810
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,639
>> Perpetual, I did. Okay. And that was one

811
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,560
of the um the things that we were able

812
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,879
to confirm. Um, I know Dustin said that

813
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:34,480
we were just going to do that year. We

814
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,839
felt like at the city planning

815
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:37,679
commission that that was a concern that

816
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,119
they didn't think that that might be

817
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,280
long enough for people to establish

818
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,679
those roots. And so we really looked

819
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,760
into that and we were able to find out

820
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,320
that through establishing our own HOA

821
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,639
before these are sold that we can

822
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,800
accomplish that very goal and then hand

823
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,119
that off to the owners.

824
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:56,000
>> Thank you. Keep going.

825
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,560
>> Yeah, of course.

826
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,440
>> Okay. The HDR is being requested

827
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,160
primarily for setback flexibility,

828
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,000
allowing improved landscaping,

829
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,480
circulation, and more functional homes.

830
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,560
As most of you are aware, those MDR

831
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,079
setbacks are 2020 and 10. HDR is the

832
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,079
opposite, 10, 10, and 20, which

833
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,160
significantly improves the footprint of

834
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,480
this project. So while the requested

835
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,640
zoning is HDR, the project itself

836
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,200
remains consistent with MDR in its

837
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,079
scale, height, density, parking, and

838
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,119
overall character. We are not suggesting

839
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,440
HDR belongs everywhere, only that in

840
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,599
this established context, the project

841
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,240
provides thoughtful infill, a logical

842
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,640
transition between existing land uses,

843
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,160
and something the neighborhood has

844
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,400
little very, very little of today, which

845
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,160
is the permanent home ownership.

846
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,839
Every residence includes a parking

847
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:51,760
garage with off- streetet access,

848
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,119
helping preserve an attractive

849
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,839
pedestrian streetscape. The twocar

850
00:35:55,839 --> 00:35:58,480
garages are 15 to 20% larger than

851
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,040
required, and the single ones are 48%

852
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,359
larger than required. Guest parking and

853
00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:06,400
bicycle parking are also provided. When

854
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,720
the project did come up, that five that

855
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,599
one half parking shall stall short. City

856
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,440
planning advised us that we could could

857
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,599
incorporate a transportation demand

858
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,480
management strategy that TDM to address

859
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,720
that deficiency. So based on those

860
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,720
discussions, we understood the TDM would

861
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,880
satisfy that requirement and eliminate

862
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,800
the need for an additional parking stall

863
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,119
encouraging walking, bicycling, and

864
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:32,640
other alternatives to driving.

865
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,800
This is one of Provo's most walkable

866
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,480
neighborhoods. Within just a few

867
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,880
minutes, residents can walk to BYU

868
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,359
parks, transit, schools, shopping, and

869
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:43,119
the library. And the surrounding

870
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:44,480
neighborhood reflects a range of

871
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,079
architectural styles, including the

872
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,079
bungalow/craftsman,

873
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,640
midcentury ranch, neocclassical, and

874
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,880
Victorian. So, because no one style

875
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,400
predominates, a structure that

876
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,760
complements this variety would

877
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,599
strengthen the distinctive character and

878
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,480
architectural diversity.

879
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,400
What excites us most about this project

880
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,880
is who it is designed for. These homes

881
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,720
are intended for households looking to

882
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:08,880
establish roots and invest in the

883
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,200
neighborhood. And we want our project to

884
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,880
complement the existing surroundings

885
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,320
while adding something it currently

886
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,520
lacks, that permanent home ownership. So

887
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,359
this is the community we spent four

888
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:21,920
years creating.

889
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,160
Vanna White, if you will, Vanna Brown.

890
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,520
Uh this is the Tuscanel town homes

891
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,200
centered around home ownership,

892
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,960
thoughtful architecture, quality

893
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,880
landscaping, walkability, and

894
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,280
neighborhood compatibility. And although

895
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,280
that although that application requires

896
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,839
that HDR zoning, the project itself

897
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:44,880
remains contextually consistent with the

898
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,880
surrounding neighborhood in its height,

899
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,280
massing, and residential feel, creating

900
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,960
that lasting value for both the

901
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,760
neighborhood and the city of Provo. So

902
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,320
in summation, 12 owner occupied town

903
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,640
homes, perpetual owner occupancy

904
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,000
formalized through the development

905
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,640
agreement, deed restrict restriction and

906
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,560
HOA regulations, a project significant

907
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,520
significantly below HDR height and

908
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,760
density allowances and designed to

909
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,760
strengthen long-term home ownership in

910
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,400
Provo and the Walke neighborhood. So

911
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,920
four years ago, we came to you with an

912
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,839
idea. Today, we return with something

913
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:22,400
much better. a project shaped by your

914
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,079
guidance, strengthened through

915
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:27,040
collaboration, and designed to to serve

916
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,680
Provo for generations. We appreciate

917
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,280
this opportunity to continue partnering

918
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,640
with you to create a project that

919
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,800
reflects the character, the value, and

920
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,119
the long-term future of Provo. Thank you

921
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:38,960
for your time, your service, and your

922
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,960
thoughtful consideration.

923
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,400
>> You're welcome. Thank you, Tara. Thank

924
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,480
you for your presentation. Any questions

925
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,240
for the developer for Terra? Yes,

926
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:47,839
please.

927
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:48,160
Um,

928
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,680
>> we'll do public comment in just a

929
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,119
second.

930
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:54,160
Uh yes, councelor Whitlock.

931
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,040
>> So, one [clears throat] of the things

932
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,320
that we talked about during our work

933
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,040
meeting was the fact that uh you were

934
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,720
profering two-year deed restrictions,

935
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,400
but this says otherwise. Is that a

936
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,920
change? And can you explain that?

937
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,839
>> It is a change and that is why we had

938
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:07,680
Kevin upgrade the slides is because we

939
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,440
were able to look in that a little bit

940
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,240
further. um as I mentioned. So what we

941
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,480
want to do so that that is not a concern

942
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,440
at all is make sure to get that HOA in

943
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,400
place before these are sold then once

944
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,560
they are sold then we can hand those

945
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,320
over to the property owners and they can

946
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,640
maintain that HOA that deed restriction

947
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,320
the development agreement everything is

948
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,359
going to support that and it's going to

949
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:34,880
regulate the uh the home ownership for

950
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,960
as hopefully as long as it can.

951
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,960
>> Yes. exponentially.

952
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,800
>> Yes. C. Any other questions for the

953
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,960
developer? Councelor Bogden.

954
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,720
>> So, the deed restriction, what will it

955
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:47,920
state on it?

956
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,880
>> What will it I'm sorry.

957
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,320
>> What will it state on the deed

958
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:50,800
restriction?

959
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,480
>> So, the deed restriction will state the

960
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,640
perpetual uh long-term home ownership.

961
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,640
Um, we want to put that in the

962
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,640
development agreement.

963
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,240
The deed restriction will go in the

964
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,079
development agreement and so will the

965
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:06,320
HOA regulations if that makes sense.

966
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:06,720
>> Okay.

967
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,240
>> Yeah. Councelor Bug and I was just going

968
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,599
to weigh in and say that I I can

969
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:10,880
probably actually answer that better in

970
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,800
the sense that because this has now been

971
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,400
something that the council's asked for

972
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,160
so many times, we actually have a form

973
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,960
for that. So, we have a a template deed

974
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,280
restriction that based on the

975
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,800
representations in the meeting, we would

976
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,720
anticipate attaching that template to

977
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,720
the development agreement and the

978
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,240
development agreement would say that

979
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,440
they would have to record with the

980
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,800
county something that matches that

981
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,480
template.

982
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,160
>> And is the other idea is that it would

983
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,160
also be in the CCNRs. Is that why you

984
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,440
were mentioning the HOA?

985
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,800
>> Yes,

986
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,920
>> exactly. Yes.

987
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,359
>> And would I know that sometimes is Bill

988
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:48,880
here? Is Bill here? Bill in the back?

989
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,520
Yes. Okay. So, what is that thing that's

990
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,000
recorded with the county that if we do

991
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,560
an upzone like an HDR zone that

992
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,640
whatever is in that development

993
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,160
agreement is going to hold fast and

994
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,400
strong there instead of disappearing

995
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,800
with the certificate of occupancy?

996
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,920
>> I believe that would need to be in the

997
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,160
deed restriction.

998
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,760
>> What exactly is that? Can you explain

999
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,280
it?

1000
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,359
>> So, a deed restriction regarding the

1001
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:18,640
occupancy. Well, no. Regarding the HDR

1002
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,000
zone and having it not not go to 50

1003
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,319
units an acre or whatever that is. So,

1004
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:26,000
it would just stay that 12 units unless

1005
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,079
it was reszoned or a development

1006
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:29,599
agreement was

1007
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:30,000
>> it'll

1008
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,040
>> I'd have to defer to Brian.

1009
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,079
>> Yeah, I was going to say it's similar to

1010
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:33,520
the to the deed restriction we've

1011
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,200
discussed in the Vesper property. be a

1012
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,119
deed restriction recorded on the county

1013
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,520
records that says notwithstanding the

1014
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,720
uses permitted in the HDR zone that the

1015
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,560
density is limited to X units and then

1016
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,319
that that's recorded on the property

1017
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:50,480
perpetually. So that remains the the

1018
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,599
restricted use

1019
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:52,800
>> and then they would have to come back to

1020
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,079
council to get that off the day

1021
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:54,640
restriction,

1022
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,160
>> right? They'd have to come back and ask

1023
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,079
for our permission in order for it to be

1024
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,800
taken off. And and Becky, we're only at

1025
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,359
barely under a half acre and so we can't

1026
00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:05,359
you can't build more than that. Only by

1027
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:07,280
that restriction alone, just the acreage

1028
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:07,760
alone.

1029
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,440
>> But if it's 50 units to an acre and

1030
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,319
you're at a half acre at an HDR zone,

1031
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:14,960
you could build 25 units. So I would

1032
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,079
push back and say no.

1033
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:19,440
>> You're saying that that that somebody

1034
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,720
would build something bigger eventually

1035
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,240
or that we would build something bigger

1036
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:22,800
or

1037
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,119
>> Yeah. I mean, as long as you have that zone in place, right?

1038
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:27,599
>> Yeah.

1039
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,359
>> By right. HDR zone,

1040
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:30,640
>> someone can just come in and do that

1041
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,480
without coming into council because

1042
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,480
you'd have that and those deed

1043
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,440
restrictions, well, that development

1044
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,119
agreement is going to expire the minute

1045
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:40,480
that you have your certificate of

1046
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,240
occupancy, right? Unless it's recorded

1047
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,880
on the deed plot. And then from what I

1048
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,480
understand,

1049
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,000
those 12 will be in place until it comes

1050
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,240
to council. If like in 20 years you want

1051
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,240
to build something more, you'd have to

1052
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:56,480
come and do the process again. in 20

1053
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,160
years if you want to like rip down the

1054
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,119
whole thing and build whatever's in that

1055
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,119
zone that's allowable without having it

1056
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,280
come to council. So that to me that's

1057
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,160
another concern.

1058
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,520
>> Yeah. No, and I think you bring up a

1059
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,720
really good point. I think we are trying

1060
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,280
to safeguard in every way possible so

1061
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,119
that that doesn't happen through

1062
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:14,319
recording and deed restrictions and

1063
00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:16,160
everything that we have possible and at

1064
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,790
our disposal. Right now

1065
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,400
» it's is it 12 uh three-bedroom units?

1066
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,800
So, there are two three-bedroom units.

1067
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,760
>> Two three three bedroom

1068
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,319
>> two onebedroom units and the rest are uh

1069
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:31,040
two-bedroom units.

1070
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,240
>> The remaining 13.

1071
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:32,640
>> Yeah.

1072
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,599
>> Okay.

1073
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,200
>> Not 13, but Yeah.

1074
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:35,440
>> 12

1075
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,400
>> because there's only 12 in total.

1076
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,160
>> And two parking stalls per unit.

1077
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,520
>> Two parking stalls per unit

1078
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,599
>> plus five or six guests.

1079
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,079
>> Yes. And our architect can speak to all

1080
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:47,040
the lovely um advantages. Each room will

1081
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,599
have uh each bedroom will have its own

1082
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:51,839
bathroom, walk-in closets. There's some

1083
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:53,760
really really beautiful things that he's

1084
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,319
been able to do. The parking is is above

1085
00:43:56,319 --> 00:44:02,079
and beyond. The uh the infrastructure is based so that that you can really get

1086
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,800
in and out. It's uh beyond what the

1087
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,800
restrictions are, beyond what the code

1088
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,680
is. And so we're hoping that we've we've

1089
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,440
made something beautiful with what we

1090
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,079
have there.

1091
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,200
>> Councelor Whitlock,

1092
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,280
>> do you have a sense on what these will

1093
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,760
cost? We're going to hit market value

1094
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,440
and go from there.

1095
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,319
>> No estimates.

1096
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:23,760
as of right now.

1097
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,480
>> Okay. Thank you.

1098
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,440
>> Probably a little too hard to tell

1099
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,760
students.

1100
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,750
>> Any other questions?

1101
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,440
» Okay. Thank you, Tara.

1102
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,560
>> Thank you so much.

1103
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,240
>> We'll now open this item for public

1104
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,720
comment. If there are residents here who

1105
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,480
would like to address this, please come

1106
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,560
to the microphone, state your name and

1107
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,599
city of residence.

1108
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,319
>> Richard Wilson. I live in Oram. However,

1109
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:48,720
I own a business in Provo with 51

1110
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,599
employees and also own several of these

1111
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:56,079
old houses that were built in the 50s uh

1112
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,680
with multiple remodeling problems. Uh

1113
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,560
I've worked on these houses for more

1114
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,599
than a decade with Terren's father and

1115
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,040
now with Taran all for free by the way.

1116
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,599
Uh and the infrastructure is just

1117
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,359
unworkable.

1118
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:18,560
It's it's got the old plumbing. Every

1119
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,480
time you go to do something, something

1120
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,480
else is dependent on that and you just

1121
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,839
go, "Ah, [gasps]

1122
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:25,760
we've poured money into them trying to

1123
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,040
preserve them. It just will not be

1124
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,359
preserved. They're just crumbling.

1125
00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:33,040
They're over a hundred years old.

1126
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,720
They're And so I think this project

1127
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,480
would be a really improvement to the

1128
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,960
neighborhood right now. They're just old

1129
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:47,599
buildings and and almost impossible to restore.

1130
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:49,839
It would the only way you could do it, I

1131
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:51,359
think, is tear the whole thing down and

1132
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:52,960
rebuild and then it's not historical.

1133
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,079
It's a it's a new place, you know, but

1134
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:58,319
uh so my vote would be to do this

1135
00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:00,240
resoning. I think it would be much

1136
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,520
better looking in the neighborhood and

1137
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,520
than it is now. And so there you have

1138
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:07,920
it.

1139
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,240
>> Thank you, Richard. as an example, you

1140
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,160
know, we we had to replace a boiler. It

1141
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,680
cost us 20 grand. Uh cost Scott 20

1142
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,839
grand. And then five years later, we had

1143
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:19,440
to replace it again. The parts are just

1144
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,319
so old and everything is uh Okay.

1145
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:26,640
>> Thank you. Thank you, Richard.

1146
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,800
>> Hi, I'm Reagan, resident of Provo and a

1147
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,440
young mother and have just a little

1148
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,920
family here. Um, and as a young couple

1149
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,520
who's wanting to build a family in

1150
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,440
Provo, the housing market's extremely

1151
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,800
disheartening. It's very hard to find

1152
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,480
rentals, let alone something that you

1153
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,160
could buy to set down roots here in

1154
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,040
Provo. Um, there's just simply not very

1155
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,200
many options. And we believe that

1156
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,880
projects like this will give us the

1157
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,440
opportunity to stay in Provo, build a

1158
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,040
life here, and become part of the

1159
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,280
community, especially at such an

1160
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,960
affordable rate. I think that we would

1161
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,599
be able to bring more young families who

1162
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,200
can help support the community, help

1163
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,880
grow it and become outstanding citizens

1164
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,680
of Provo and help improve just the

1165
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,839
quality of life here. Um, so we'd love

1166
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:15,359
to see more opportunities like this and

1167
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:18,000
we think that this project would be just

1168
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,880
the thing that Provo needs. Thank you.

1169
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,440
>> Thank you, Reagan.

1170
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,160
>> Hi, I'm Reagan's mom. My name is Jenny.

1171
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,640
I live on the just the um border of

1172
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,040
Orman Provo. My dad grew up just a

1173
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,040
couple blocks from here. And so we have

1174
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,160
deep roots in Orman Provo and I get

1175
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,960
emotional. I don't know why.

1176
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,880
As a mom, I want my kids and my

1177
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,349
grandkids to stay.

1178
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:48,480
I have a son getting married this week.

1179
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,720
That's why I'm being emotional. Anyway,

1180
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,040
three kids getting married in five years

1181
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,440
and I just they they love the community,

1182
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,960
but there's no way they can afford a

1183
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,359
house and just give them the chance

1184
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:04,480
to stay and

1185
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,160
I would have chance to be near my

1186
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,560
grandkids. [snorts] So, thanks for your

1187
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,079
time.

1188
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,960
>> You're welcome. Thank you, Jenny.

1189
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,440
did you say you live in ORM?

1190
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,920
Thank you.

1191
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,680
>> Um, good evening. My name is Jeremy

1192
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,240
Brown and I'm the general contractor for

1193
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:24,960
this project. Um, I've spent my career

1194
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,400
building homes and neighborhoods and

1195
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,240
>> Jeremy, are you also from Provo?

1196
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:31,200
>> I live in ORM right on Yeah, literally

1197
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,599
that I can throw a rock into Provo where

1198
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:34,319
one

1199
00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:36,960
>> it's on the other side of the fence. So,

1200
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,640
>> um, I've spent my career building homes

1201
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,000
and neighborhoods and I've learned that

1202
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,760
you can tell a lot about a project by

1203
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,160
the questions that people ask. Some

1204
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,160
projects ask, "How do we save money?"

1205
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,559
And others ask, "How do we build more?"

1206
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,400
But over the last four years, this team

1207
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,160
has kept asking, "How do we make this

1208
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,400
better for the neighborhood?" I've known

1209
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,319
Taran for a long time, and she doesn't

1210
00:48:56,319 --> 00:48:58,880
settle for good enough. Her property has

1211
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,880
been reviewed in three neighborhood

1212
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,400
meetings, countless meetings with

1213
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,240
designers, engineers, and Provo City

1214
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,640
staff, and input from neighbors. She

1215
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,200
listens, takes feedback seriously, and

1216
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,119
keeps improving until she believes she's

1217
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,760
found the best solution. That commitment

1218
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,680
shows up in decisions most people will

1219
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,359
never see. Upgrading sewer

1220
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:19,040
infrastructure, which I understand she's

1221
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,839
very passionate about now,

1222
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:23,839
and purchasing additional property to

1223
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:25,839
make the site function better, aren't

1224
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:27,760
inexpensive decisions. But they're

1225
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,200
investments that will benefit this

1226
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,680
neighborhood for years to come. As the

1227
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,599
general contractor, that tells me this

1228
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:35,359
team isn't just building homes, they're

1229
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:36,720
investing in the future of this

1230
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:39,359
neighborhood and in the city of Provo.

1231
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:40,960
What has impressed me the most is that

1232
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,800
she genuinely believes communities

1233
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,960
become stronger when people know their

1234
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,960
neighbors, gather together, and create

1235
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,359
memories. And if you still have doubts

1236
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:51,200
about her commitment to community, drive

1237
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,359
by her house this Halloween. Rumor has

1238
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:55,200
it there may even be some dementors

1239
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,079
flying over Hogwarts. So, thank you for

1240
00:49:58,079 --> 00:49:59,680
your time and consideration on this

1241
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,319
project.

1242
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:07,510
>> You're welcome. Thank you, Jeremy.

1243
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,079
» Good evening. My name is David Hawinson

1244
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,640
and I am a resident of Provo and the

1245
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,200
walking neighborhood. And my iPad just

1246
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,599
went off.

1247
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:19,200
Trust.

1248
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,720
I think this issue comes down to trust.

1249
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,520
Do you as city council members have

1250
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,079
trust in the city planning commission

1251
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,559
when they recommended denial this

1252
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:32,079
project?

1253
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,319
Can we as residents in the Walke

1254
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:36,640
neighborhood trust the zoning process

1255
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,040
and ordinance that was established in

1256
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,160
conjunction with the city and neighbors

1257
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,160
that has been in place for many years

1258
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,400
for our neighborhood? High density

1259
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,359
allowed above 500 north and residential

1260
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:53,200
conservation south of that. Can we trust

1261
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,119
that you believe the residential

1262
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:58,000
conservation zone is really, and I quote

1263
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,319
from the city ordinance,

1264
00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:03,200
designed to encourage conservation and

1265
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,680
preservation of existing housing,"

1266
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,440
unquote?

1267
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,680
Or are those just words in a zoning

1268
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,880
ordinance and on a zoning map until

1269
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,920
somebody wants an exception?

1270
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,720
Can we as residents trust you, our

1271
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:21,920
elected officials, to support and follow

1272
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,240
what the city and the citizens in this

1273
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:27,200
neighborhood have agreed upon as far as

1274
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,920
zoning and protecting the existing

1275
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,480
housing in our neighborhood

1276
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,319
trust.

1277
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:36,880
And as a side note,

1278
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,920
the idea of having this being a place

1279
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,839
for families with no yards, no green

1280
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:46,800
space, no gathering for barbecues, no

1281
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,119
porches, you're not going to have

1282
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:51,040
neighborhood. Thank you.

1283
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,190
>> Thank you, David.

1284
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,440
» Um I'm Julia Black. I'm a resident of

1285
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,960
Provo. Um, to me, I'm about to graduate

1286
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,079
um, BYU in about a year, and I'm not

1287
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,480
going to lie, the future freaks me out.

1288
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,559
I mean, and my friends joke every single

1289
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:09,839
day that we're going to be moving to

1290
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:12,160
Kansas cuz it's the only place that we

1291
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,200
can afford a house. And so watching

1292
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,839
Taran and the and as an owner that she's

1293
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:19,359
willing to take a property that's been

1294
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:22,319
in her family for 50 years and make it

1295
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:24,240
into something that's going to benefit

1296
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:27,839
my family's future is so impactful and

1297
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:30,240
touching to me. And I'm so grateful that

1298
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,880
there's people like Taran willing to put

1299
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,520
a project underway so that I don't have

1300
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,520
to move to Kansas. Um, I've been I've

1301
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,200
lived in Provo and was born here my

1302
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,839
entire life and I love the community.

1303
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:46,079
It's been like who and I am and I want

1304
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:48,000
my kids to have the same opportunity,

1305
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,000
but buying a starter home feels

1306
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,000
impossible and feels some like something

1307
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,480
I won't be able to complete like 2020

1308
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,720
years down the road. And so, and it's

1309
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,480
nice to know that I'm not just going to

1310
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,520
have to buy anundyear-old house that has

1311
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,359
a bunch of problems that are unforeseen

1312
00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:04,640
that I'm going to just have to be

1313
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,119
pouring money into my entire life. And

1314
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:08,880
so I just am so grateful for the

1315
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,359
opportunity to buy a newer home that's

1316
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:14,559
been redone and is almost um catered to

1317
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,520
my needs. And so yeah, thank you.

1318
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,520
>> Thank you, Julia. And there's probably

1319
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,676
somebody here from Kansas, by the way.

1320
00:53:21,676 --> 00:53:30,150
[laughter]

1321
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,520
» Dorothy in Kansas. Um, I grew up here in

1322
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,160
Provo, just blocks from this project

1323
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,480
right by the BYU stadium. I have been

1324
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,672
outside of Utah for 15 years. I

1325
00:53:40,672 --> 00:53:41,440
[clears throat] have watched the

1326
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,599
transitioning of my Provo during the

1327
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,800
hard times and the good times. We used

1328
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,640
to go to Foxfield and the Fox theaters.

1329
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,319
We went through to the not hole through

1330
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:52,720
to BYU stadium. I've watched prover

1331
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,680
center businesses struggle and the pros

1332
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,839
and [clears throat] the and the

1333
00:53:57,839 --> 00:53:59,359
businesses and things look pretty broken

1334
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:00,880
down and things struggle for so many

1335
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,280
years. I'm so grateful for projects like

1336
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,839
this that are well thought out, provide

1337
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:07,760
housing for our kids to raise their kids

1338
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,920
here and for even more thoughtful,

1339
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,280
beautiful additions that make the city

1340
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,800
feel revived, cultured, and beautiful.

1341
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,960
city planning commission and denial of

1342
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,800
this project's not really fair to a real

1343
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,520
estate owner that has cared and weeded

1344
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,400
and restored and replaced pro um

1345
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,559
projects and processes over and over

1346
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,359
again on this on different properties. I

1347
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:32,079
have several of my family members own um

1348
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,319
business own properties in this

1349
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:36,640
community and it is very very difficult

1350
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,880
to keep everything up but um we have

1351
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,160
spent our whole lives here and um but

1352
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,839
I've moved and come back and after I've

1353
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:46,240
moved back I just feel like such a

1354
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,480
gratitude for the beauty and everything

1355
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,240
that you have all done what other people

1356
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,480
are doing to make Provo look like a

1357
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,319
whole new place and I think it's really

1358
00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:59,599
um productive and honor for me to see

1359
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:01,839
that change. And I think this project is

1360
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,559
exactly what we need where it's not just

1361
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,640
one big giant home that looks beautiful.

1362
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,720
It's it's a very beautiful structure.

1363
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,960
And I loved what Taran said about the

1364
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,760
different types of buildings that come

1365
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,760
for the architectural nuances. I think

1366
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,520
that's very powerful.

1367
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:17,920
>> Thank you.

1368
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:24,069
Dorothy.

1369
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:26,160
» Hi, my name is Daniel Winch. I am a

1370
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,800
current Provo resident. Um, I've been at

1371
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,800
BYU for the last three years and I was

1372
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,240
recently accepted into law school and I plan to be here for the foreseeable

1373
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:37,359
future. I love Provo. I feel I feel at

1374
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:40,240
home. It is my home and and truth be

1375
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,960
told, I wish that there was options like

1376
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,119
this for me to purchase. I was also

1377
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:47,520
recently married and my wife and I, we

1378
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,280
went through the the painful process of

1379
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,920
trying to find a rental or even just a

1380
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,760
house just to even just a space to live

1381
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,839
in that's close enough to campus where

1382
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:58,000
we can both commute where both of our

1383
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,839
schedules can make it work. She's also

1384
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:02,000
studying at BYU and our our schedules

1385
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,480
are very different and quite frankly

1386
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,119
there's just no options

1387
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,160
and we just got married and I would love

1388
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,599
and we're starting a new life and I

1389
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:13,280
would love to be able to move into a new

1390
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,480
space to call my own to start that new

1391
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,319
identity fully but there's just there's

1392
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:20,079
just no options and and I would love to

1393
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,240
be able to purchase something like this

1394
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:24,640
and I I honestly think it's an excellent

1395
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,960
idea that that you should go forward

1396
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,200
with this. Thank you.

1397
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,589
Daniel.

1398
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:35,280
» Leah Dair. I'm a resident of Provo. In

1399
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,960
fact, I live Kitty Corner from this

1400
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,200
development right off where the map was.

1401
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,559
Uh, what I'd like to address is the

1402
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,400
vital integrity of the residential

1403
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,400
conservancy zone in the walking

1404
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,040
neighborhood. Um, I was involved in the

1405
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,640
development of that clear back when it

1406
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,200
was called Scan, if that rings some

1407
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,440
bells. The RC zone was probably the most

1408
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,119
democratically developed piece of

1409
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,040
legislation ever put into place here in

1410
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,319
Provo. Hundreds of residents and council

1411
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:03,599
members and neighborhood chairs and

1412
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:06,160
landlords got together, hammered it out,

1413
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,640
worked through it, discussed, debated,

1414
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,200
argued with each other every so often to

1415
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,880
finally come up with a plan that really

1416
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,599
made sense. Higher development north of

1417
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,240
500 North, closer to BYU, walkable,

1418
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,040
usable in that way, while preserving the

1419
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,280
heart of Provo architecture right

1420
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,960
downtown. And this falls right in the

1421
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,200
heart of that heart. Um, it was designed

1422
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,160
to preserve old homes just like mine. My

1423
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,559
home was built in 1905 by Arthur Sutton.

1424
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,119
It's half as old as this country. It was

1425
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,280
a rental that was in the kind of shape

1426
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,400
that these rentals have been allowed to

1427
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,960
drop into. And over the past 30 years,

1428
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,680
we've rebuilt it. We've replaced walls.

1429
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,040
We've done plumbing. We've done

1430
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,559
electrical. We've done everything we

1431
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,960
could to turn this old house into a

1432
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,040
home. And it's a home my kids love to

1433
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,520
come back to. And I've watched as my

1434
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,839
neighbors around my block and around my

1435
00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:03,040
area have done exactly the same thing. I

1436
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,319
know we're talking about affordable

1437
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:06,960
housing. I heard the term market rate. I

1438
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,319
don't know if that makes these things

1439
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:10,880
affordable. I know it makes them a cash

1440
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,119
cow when you can throw 12 of them onto a

1441
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,520
space where four are. Maybe they should

1442
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,920
sell them to a family like mine was who

1443
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,160
wants to put the time in to redevelop

1444
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,520
these things and love them. Maybe they

1445
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,440
could take that money and go develop

1446
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,040
their thing in their neighborhood. I'm

1447
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,079
sure that their neighbors wouldn't mind.

1448
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:33,430
Thanks. Thank you, Lee.

1449
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,440
» Hi, my name is Jessica Sanger and I'm in

1450
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,720
the Oram uh city of ORM. Um I'll just

1451
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,240
echo some things that have already been

1452
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,799
said, so I'll keep it brief. Um but my

1453
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:44,160
husband and I have been married for

1454
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,079
almost two years and have been thinking

1455
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,240
about housing for a while. And kind of

1456
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,480
echoing some previous sentiments, it's

1457
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,119
really hard to find anything and and

1458
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:56,240
everything is so expensive, especially

1459
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,400
like larger properties. And so we've

1460
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,920
also joked a lot like we're not going to

1461
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:01,280
be able to stay in the state by our

1462
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,280
families. Well, kind of joking, kind of

1463
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,760
not. Um, but would love to be able to.

1464
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,520
And so hearing about projects like this

1465
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,920
that also look really beautiful where we

1466
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,680
wouldn't have to move into some really

1467
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,440
ugly, crappy place that we'd be ashamed

1468
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,280
of, um, sounds really awesome. So, we're

1469
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,839
in favor of the development. Thank you.

1470
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:23,670
>> Thank you.

1471
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,799
» Good evening. My name is Paul Washburn.

1472
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:29,520
I'm also a resident of ORM. I've been in

1473
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,760
the development business for the last 35

1474
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,079
years and I've looked at the two homes

1475
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:37,200
on the on the existing property. One was

1476
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,079
built in the late 1800s. The other one

1477
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,119
was built in the early 1900s. I've been

1478
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:44,799
involved in developments where we have

1479
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:50,240
been forced or uh required to uh try and

1480
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,119
refurbish older homes. It's not just

1481
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:56,480
paint and a carpet. You go in, you find

1482
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,640
out that the plaster all needs to be

1483
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,799
removed because that's how you get to

1484
01:00:00,799 --> 01:00:03,760
replace the electrical that is uh nearly

1485
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,640
a century old and needs to be upgraded.

1486
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,599
Um, when you get to taking the plaster

1487
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:11,839
off, you find out the plaster and all

1488
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:13,520
the insulation behind it has got

1489
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,319
aspestus in it. Got to replace all the

1490
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:17,839
plumbing,

1491
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:19,520
all of the other parts of the structure.

1492
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,839
By the time you get done, you can easily

1493
01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:24,480
spend several hundreds of thousands of

1494
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,119
dollars per structure and you still have

1495
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:30,000
a 150 year old house. It doesn't make

1496
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,280
sense. Uh, I don't know what the answer

1497
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,960
is. I like the project they're

1498
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,079
presenting. a zone that says you can't

1499
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:41,280
replace anything, you can't uh build

1500
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,599
anything is no way to keep the city

1501
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:45,760
moving forward. People need to have a

1502
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,280
place to live. So, thank you.

1503
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,270
>> Thank you, Paul.

1504
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,520
» Hi, I'm Janie Johnson and I'm in Provo

1505
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,680
and I'm one of the three speakers that

1506
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,920
happen to live like right there that

1507
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,720
would be involved with this. I too was

1508
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,880
around and helped participate in this

1509
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,079
camp and am very concerned of what this

1510
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:11,040
change in zoning would open up in terms

1511
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,000
of what other buildings could be. It is

1512
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,599
a lovely project. I don't I think it's

1513
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:21,280
lovely. I um but the issue is is does it

1514
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,280
match the real architecture of the

1515
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,440
neighborhood? Does it keep that downtown

1516
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,160
atmosphere? The other thing too, folks,

1517
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,640
is we have never controlled the parking.

1518
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,880
So, they say that they might be able to

1519
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,960
control the parking, but the parking is

1520
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,960
not controlled down there. I would

1521
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,359
invite any one of you to come stay with

1522
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:42,559
me for a week once September hits

1523
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:45,119
because you can't control the parking.

1524
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,440
They may have an they may have a garage

1525
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,680
that may do one or two cars, but there's

1526
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,640
no room for guests. I don't have enough

1527
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,520
room for guests that come to my house to

1528
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,280
visit me after school starts. And not

1529
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,760
only do we have BYU, we have UVU, we

1530
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,520
have Rocky Mountain College, we have all

1531
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,920
these folks living down here. I just

1532
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,200
would like you to consider to continue

1533
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,960
to protect these homes in this area down

1534
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,559
there down where I live in South Walke.

1535
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,720
The other thing too is we've had a lot

1536
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,440
of construction with the asphalt and

1537
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,920
everything going. This would put the

1538
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,799
whole neighborhood out and having to

1539
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:30,079
figure out reroutes when if if it were

1540
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:33,280
allowed to be built, it would put out us

1541
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,000
for a while while it was built. So, if

1542
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,359
you'll just consider that. Thank you.

1543
01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:42,319
>> Thank you, Jenny.

1544
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:44,720
>> Hi, council. My name is Will Stanganger

1545
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,200
and I live in Provo. I live at 318

1546
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,359
East, 300 North, so one block north of

1547
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:54,079
this and I live there with my wife and

1548
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:57,839
we have two cars. Um, back in the day uh

1549
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:00,480
when I moved to Provo, uh, I lived in a

1550
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,480
little house uh, with a front door and a

1551
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,880
back door and this was in like 2018 when

1552
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,720
I was starting school. We kept the front

1553
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,640
door unlocked and we kept the back door

1554
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,319
unlocked and we still do sometimes. So,

1555
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:13,520
it's still a beautiful and safe

1556
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,200
community. Um, but eventually thinking

1557
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,400
10, 20, 30, or 40 years from now is what

1558
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,559
I want to consider when my children are

1559
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:25,359
coming to BYU. Um, or my children are

1560
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:27,280
going to UVU, wherever they choose to

1561
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,520
go. Um, I don't know what the future is

1562
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,119
going to look like, but I know what it

1563
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:34,319
looks like now. Um, right now in Provo,

1564
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:36,640
I have an alarm on one door and I have

1565
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,119
alarm on the other door. Uh, I have to

1566
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:42,000
lock both doors at night. Um, my friend

1567
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,319
who lives one block away from me, one

1568
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:46,799
block east and one block north of this

1569
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:49,680
site, uh, they've had their bike stolen

1570
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,720
twice. I passed six flock cameras on the

1571
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,039
way to get here. Flock cameras are

1572
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,920
automated license plate readers used for

1573
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,240
crime and surveillance. Provo is

1574
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,079
evolving and changing. I want to

1575
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:03,280
consider what Provo is going to look

1576
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,920
like a 100 years from now. So, if we can

1577
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,680
make certain restrictions and set

1578
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,599
precedents that this doesn't

1579
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,680
automatically open the door to other

1580
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:17,359
developers just taking advantage of our occupancy crisis. I study economics

1581
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:20,160
of BYU. I've studied it for a long time.

1582
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,760
There's a buyer market and there's a

1583
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,839
sellers market. I would love to take the

1584
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:26,559
watch that my dad gave me uh as a kid

1585
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,960
and sell that for a lot more, but it

1586
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,319
doesn't necessarily mean that it's going

1587
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:32,319
to make everybody else's life better.

1588
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:34,160
just means it's going to make cars more

1589
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,359
expensive. It just means it's going to

1590
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:37,680
drive the price of these properties up.

1591
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,720
So buyers and sellers don't always make

1592
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,799
better conditions.

1593
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:45,359
>> Thank you, Will.

1594
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:48,559
>> Hi, my name is M. McIntyre. I'm I live

1595
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:51,119
between Second and Third North on on uh

1596
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:53,599
Second East. My wife and I bought the

1597
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:55,520
house that we're in. He used to be the

1598
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,000
Fitzroyce. He was the first um one of

1599
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,000
the first music professors at BYU back

1600
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,599
in 1915 when it was built. We became

1601
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,200
when we bought this, we became

1602
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,640
developers. We I renovated I have

1603
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,520
replaced the electrical, the plumbing,

1604
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,000
and uh a lot of the rooms uh upgraded

1605
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,920
them and uh so it's been a a joy to do

1606
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,720
that because the people that lived there

1607
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,680
before put some effort into it and and

1608
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,920
made Provo. And so what I'd like to do

1609
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,720
is keep Provo here and not lose the

1610
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,799
spirit of Provo. A new developments are

1611
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:33,920
great. Um but I think that in this case

1612
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,760
it sort of feels like I was a school

1613
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,200
teacher Centennial Middle School

1614
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,480
Gentview. Uh when I had a class of 50

1615
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,280
students um when I should have had a

1616
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,599
class of 25. When you compact more

1617
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:47,680
students in there, it makes things more

1618
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,599
difficult. Always has been. And I I

1619
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:51,200
dealt with that and it was a lot more

1620
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,559
difficult. In fact, we had some things

1621
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:55,760
that we could not uh figure out. So, um

1622
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,319
I'd like to say that um market value

1623
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:00,799
right now it looks like on town homes

1624
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:03,280
twobedroom 285,000

1625
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,839
3bedroom 399,000.

1626
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:07,920
Is that enough to make it affordable to

1627
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,640
people? It depends on on who's talking.

1628
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,599
One last thing. Um, when I go every day,

1629
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,599
which I did today, with my granddaughter

1630
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:17,680
Luna, who's 10 months old, and I go

1631
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,440
through the neighborhood, trying to get

1632
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,880
her to sleep when she's really uh upset,

1633
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,720
it makes it difficult to do it when

1634
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,039
there's an increased amount of traffic.

1635
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:29,760
We go on Northeast, uh, Second North,

1636
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,039
those are collector streets. I

1637
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:32,640
understand. I try to avoid those, but

1638
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,960
more traffic means more difficulty for a

1639
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,160
little kid as well as families. So,

1640
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,319
that's one of the things that I think is

1641
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:43,039
what the um this zone is for and I'd

1642
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,039
like to keep it. Thank you.

1643
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,520
>> Thank you, Matt.

1644
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,039
>> How you doing? My name is John Keller.

1645
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:50,640
Um I actually live in Park City right

1646
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,319
now, but I grew up in ORM and I actually

1647
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:53,920
lived in the triplex that we're talking

1648
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,079
about here. And back when I was in

1649
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:57,520
college in the late 90s, I lived there

1650
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,160
and I managed the the triplex. And I can

1651
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,839
tell you that it was falling apart back

1652
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:04,160
then. like about every month we had to

1653
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,400
bring in a company to, you know, snake

1654
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,880
out the sewer lines. The electrical is

1655
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,799
knob and tube and it's like a hazard.

1656
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:13,039
It's like asbestous. It's just a a

1657
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,200
complete disaster there. So, I can only

1658
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,720
imagine how it is now all these years

1659
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,520
later. Um, it's an eyesore and I think

1660
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,000
this project is perfect. It's a like

1661
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,359
when I was watching the presentation, I

1662
01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:24,720
was getting the chills. It was like

1663
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,720
beautiful. It was like couldn't imagine

1664
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,960
anything more beautiful than that. And I

1665
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,200
just think as city council, even though

1666
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:32,720
these these zone restrictions are in

1667
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:33,760
place, I feel like it's your

1668
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,200
responsibility as a council to make

1669
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,200
adjustments when they're necessary. A

1670
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,680
lot has changed in the world since 2014.

1671
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,400
We've had COVID, we've had accelerated

1672
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:43,839
pricing, and you know, it's out of

1673
01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:45,760
control. I think that it's in your it's

1674
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,200
your responsibility at this point to

1675
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,480
make adjustments when it's necessary,

1676
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,720
and I feel like this is necessary. So, I

1677
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,559
encourage you to approve the project.

1678
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:53,440
Thank you.

1679
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,000
>> Thank you, John.

1680
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,000
>> Good evening. My name is Tanya. Um, I'm

1681
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,400
also I reside in Park City. Um, but I

1682
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,640
lived at this property for uh for three

1683
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,559
years as a college student and then I

1684
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:06,400
lived at the triplex also for three

1685
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,880
years as a newlywed. So, I'm I've

1686
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,559
experienced this neighborhood firsthand

1687
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,880
and I truly loved it. It is an awesome

1688
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,200
neighborhood. One challenge that always

1689
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:16,719
stood out to me about this property was

1690
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:18,640
the lack of privacy. Like they said,

1691
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,080
it's surrounded on all sides by the

1692
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,920
Apollo apartments, but there was a

1693
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,440
little backyard behind the triplex, and

1694
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:24,560
we'd always want to go do a little

1695
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,880
barbecue back there or have some fun

1696
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,759
outside, but um there was just dozens of

1697
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:31,839
the unit, the Apollo units overlooking

1698
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:33,440
the backyard, and it just felt like you

1699
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:36,067
were in a fishbowl back there. Um

1700
01:08:36,067 --> 01:08:36,799
[clears throat]

1701
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:38,640
our windows and outdoor space were in

1702
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,400
direct view of so many neighboring

1703
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,080
apartments that we just felt like we

1704
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,400
were so exposed. The lack of privacy is

1705
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,239
a real problem in that area. if you want

1706
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:50,159
to have a house um or even in a triplex

1707
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:52,239
area. But even with that, we did love

1708
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:53,920
the neighborhood. We eventually outgrew

1709
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,480
the triplex and um but there weren't a

1710
01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:57,600
lot of opportunities in that

1711
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,120
neighborhood for homeowners and so we

1712
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,080
ended up leaving. Um but that's one of

1713
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:03,440
the main reasons why I support this

1714
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:05,679
Tuscanel Town Homes project. I think it

1715
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:07,920
provides a housing opportunity for those

1716
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,759
people just ready to take that next step

1717
01:09:09,759 --> 01:09:12,080
from renting to owning. And it's just

1718
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,920
the perfect um step to do that. and then

1719
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:16,799
they don't have to leave the

1720
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:18,080
neighborhood and the community that they

1721
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:19,920
already know and love. It's they're

1722
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,080
there. So, I totally support this

1723
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:23,920
project and I ask you to do the same.

1724
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,000
Thank you so much, council.

1725
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,040
>> You're welcome. Thank you, Tanya.

1726
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,719
>> Hello. Good evening. Thank you everybody

1727
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:33,120
for um sharing this time with us. My

1728
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,040
name is Jenna. My family lives in um

1729
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,319
Provo. I also lived at this residence in

1730
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,199
my first years of college and loved it.

1731
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:43,839
Loved the neighborhood, loved the area.

1732
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:46,239
Uh but I also believe that of course

1733
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,719
growth is inevitable but how we choose

1734
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:50,480
to grow is something that we should have

1735
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:53,199
a say in. We have an opportunity to be

1736
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:55,760
proactive about what we want this

1737
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,239
community to look like and to support

1738
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:00,640
development that is thoughtful, that is

1739
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,199
beautiful and respectful to both the

1740
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:06,000
land and the character of the community

1741
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,560
that we love. Wouldn't we rather see a

1742
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,199
property owner who cares deeply about

1743
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:13,280
this neighborhood thoughtly develop

1744
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,760
their land and create something that

1745
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,679
truly adds value to this community

1746
01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:21,520
rather than waiting for a large outside

1747
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,920
developer to come in someday which would

1748
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,640
probably happen down the road. Uh they

1749
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,880
would have very little vision for this

1750
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,840
property. I believe Tuscanel Town Homes

1751
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,400
gives us an opportunity to embrace this

1752
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,640
growth while still preserving the

1753
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,280
character and the sense of community

1754
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,600
that makes this neighborhood so special.

1755
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,199
Thank you.

1756
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:47,910
>> Thank you, Jenna.

1757
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,159
» My name is Jaden and I'm a graduate

1758
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,880
student at BYU right now, but um when I

1759
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,320
graduate, I probably will not be living

1760
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,719
in Utah because I'll be priced out. For

1761
01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:58,719
me, it's a mostly a question of

1762
01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:01,920
essentially dignity. The the price of a

1763
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,280
home being more than half of my current

1764
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,480
income. Um is in some ways the community

1765
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:11,199
telling me to get out. Uh the current

1766
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:12,400
price of housing that was mentioned

1767
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:13,840
before, you know, the market pricing

1768
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,199
really represents the voice of people

1769
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:16,480
that want to live here but that are

1770
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:18,239
being pushed away.

1771
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:20,080
A lot of references were previously made

1772
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,880
to, you know, previous zoning plans and

1773
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,640
how democratic of a process it might

1774
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,120
have been, but you know, a large group

1775
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:28,800
of the people that actually are going to

1776
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,199
end up living here were not represented

1777
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:33,360
in that sort of process. People that

1778
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,679
actually want to be here, right? And so

1779
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:37,679
the basic economics of the issue really

1780
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:40,719
turn it into unfortunately pitting the

1781
01:11:40,719 --> 01:11:44,000
young against the old. Um no matter your

1782
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,280
intentions, it's just the facts of it.

1783
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,000
If you don't um increase the supply of

1784
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,920
housing, then that's just going to be

1785
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,320
what happens. You're telling young

1786
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,480
people that want to come and stay and

1787
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:56,719
live in Provo to leave. That's what I'll

1788
01:11:56,719 --> 01:12:01,520
have to be doing, unfortunately. Um and

1789
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,199
I would rather not. Um and it's projects

1790
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,199
like these, it's zoning for higher

1791
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:09,120
density that's going to make that

1792
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,760
happen. even if it's high income um

1793
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,320
housing, if it's costs a lot, just one

1794
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,000
way or another, the economics of it work

1795
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,400
out that increasing supply will lower

1796
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:19,920
the cost of housing for people that are

1797
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,840
actually trying to enter.

1798
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:22,239
>> Thank you.

1799
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:25,520
Jagen.

1800
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,320
>> I liked his comments, by the way. Uh Cam

1801
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,920
Harris, um live in American Fork, but uh

1802
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,960
my occupation, we we finance um

1803
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,199
residential homes across the country.

1804
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:40,400
Um, I'm a data guy. Councilman Whitlock

1805
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,800
mentioned data. As I think about data,

1806
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,800
I'm sure you guys are well aware of a

1807
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,040
lot of Provos data. I think home

1808
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,320
ownership as a whole is 39%.

1809
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,719
Roughly. Uh, if you look at surrounding

1810
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:56,719
cities, it's it's closer to 60%. Um, as

1811
01:12:56,719 --> 01:12:59,920
I hear the proposal and the fact that

1812
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:02,560
they're providing more housing, I like

1813
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,360
the economics lesson that we got. more

1814
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,120
housing, you know, means more families

1815
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,120
can move in. They're offering to have

1816
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,920
that be owner occupied, which means you

1817
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:13,840
get more residents. You know, as you

1818
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,199
look at the census since 2014,

1819
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:19,920
we've actually seen a decline in in

1820
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,719
population in Provo. Um, and I think

1821
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:24,800
it's because there's a lack of supply. I

1822
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,640
don't think it's a lack of demand. You

1823
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,000
have one of the greatest universities

1824
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,880
right here in the in the city. Um, and

1825
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,560
so providing a way for a lot of these

1826
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,080
kids that want to stay here, want to

1827
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,159
stay close to families, sure makes a

1828
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:38,880
heck of a lot of sense to me. Um, you

1829
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,400
know, day in day out, we're trying to

1830
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,800
find ways to to finance more affordable

1831
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,280
housing. And unfortunately, a lot of

1832
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,560
that has to be unit, you know, count.

1833
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,120
Um, you know, I would love to have a

1834
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,360
backyard and all of these, you know,

1835
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,120
great amenities that I think Provo was

1836
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,520
used to, you know, years and years ago,

1837
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,040
but for these kids to be able to stay

1838
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,320
here and for these families to be able

1839
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,080
to grow, uh, you know, you have to have

1840
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:07,199
supply. It would be great to see that 39% bump up, to see that, you know,

1841
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:09,760
population growth bump up. And I think

1842
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,400
you could do it by reinvesting and and

1843
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:13,760
having people interested in in

1844
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,679
reinvesting in the community. So, thank

1845
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:17,600
you guys.

1846
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,920
You're welcome. Thank you. Cam

1847
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,560
>> Brooklyn Lawrence. I live on 200 South.

1848
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,040
Um I started attending these meetings

1849
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,040
occasionally back in January because I

1850
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,800
was curious to know what the council is

1851
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,280
doing to solve what feels to me like a

1852
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,159
very overwhelming housing crisis. I

1853
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:38,080
experienced a 14% rent increase um the

1854
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,640
last time I renewed my contract. And um

1855
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,719
my the price I pay for rent is almost

1856
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:44,719
the same as what my my parents pay for

1857
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:48,000
their mortgage. Um, and I can only

1858
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,239
sustain that maybe one more time before

1859
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:53,920
I'm out of Provo. And um, I have a very

1860
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,360
difficult time searching for other

1861
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,440
places to live. This feels like one of

1862
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:58,800
the more pressing things that the

1863
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,880
council should be putting attention to.

1864
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,400
I was confused at the start of this

1865
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,480
agenda item because I thought that the

1866
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:06,159
council was saying 12 homes, that's

1867
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:09,440
barely a dent. But um, you could fit 25

1868
01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:10,719
there. And I thought that's awesome.

1869
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:12,800
Yes, let's put 25. I would way rather

1870
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:18,880
live somewhere in Provo than not than somewhere far away and have a

1871
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,440
backyard. I would way rather be here and

1872
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,280
have something than somewhere else and

1873
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:28,320
have nothing. Um and so I am um I see

1874
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,480
the proposal of highdensity housing and

1875
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:32,159
12 more houses and think yes that is

1876
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:33,840
barely a dent in the problem that we

1877
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,760
have right now. But to me it seems like

1878
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,480
a beacon of hope. It seems like a way of

1879
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:40,239
changing the culture towards something

1880
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:42,400
that is going to make a a dent

1881
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,560
eventually. So, thank you.

1882
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,717
>> Thank you, Brooklyn.

1883
01:15:47,717 --> 01:15:49,360
[clears throat]

1884
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,880
>> Wow. I should have let her be last. Um,

1885
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,480
my name is Terry Bishop. I live in

1886
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:57,120
American Fork, but I own a property just

1887
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,880
in that block just uh to the east of of

1888
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,880
where this is happening. I came tonight

1889
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,199
ma basically to find out what really was

1890
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:07,920
going on. I have no idea or no uh

1891
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,080
intention to get up here and say

1892
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,040
anything, but I I also have a little

1893
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,880
property in another place that's going

1894
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:19,760
through the same scenario almost. Um I

1895
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,600
believe this is a really good project. I

1896
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,400
think it improves the neighborhood and I

1897
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,760
think it will uh improve the value of

1898
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,440
the older homes as well as the new

1899
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:33,679
homes. Um the concerns over the

1900
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:36,400
development agreement I think is a

1901
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,679
non-issue in my own own opinion. I think

1902
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:43,040
that we have great uh city attorneys

1903
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,040
that are taking care of the business.

1904
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,520
They're making sure that our our uh uh

1905
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,320
everything is in order and that they

1906
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,880
we're the city's going to be covered for

1907
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,000
the with that development agreement. um

1908
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,080
providing and limiting the amount of

1909
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,560
homes that are there and are and units

1910
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,360
and I think that'll be ongoing. Very few

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01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,840
people will uh 20 years down the road

1912
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:14,560
tear down a really beautiful home or to try to improve it by a few units. So,

1913
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,719
um thank you for your your time and I

1914
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:18,400
appreciate the the time and effort that

1915
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,480
they've put in to to try and improve

1916
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:21,600
that neighborhood.

1917
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:26,470
>> Thank you, Terry.

1918
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:29,360
Hi, my I get so nervous when I come up

1919
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,360
here. [laughter]

1920
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,280
Breathe. Okay. My name is Joanie

1921
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,880
McIntyre. I'm a member of the walking

1922
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,520
neighborhood. Um, and I've lived there

1923
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,600
for 37 years. I came as a student and we

1924
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,840
did not plan on staying, but we found a

1925
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:56,320
home that we loved and we bought it and improved on it. And so, um, I think the number one thing is that we

1926
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,159
need to follow the residential

1927
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:02,000
conservation zone that was put in place.

1928
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,640
Um, and to to me that's that's what we

1929
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,719
need to follow. [snorts] Yes. Does it

1930
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:11,199
need to be improved? Obviously, to make

1931
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:14,320
some some changes, right? Because there

1932
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,440
are some things that um that people want

1933
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:20,320
to change in the neighborhood. Um but as

1934
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,320
of right now I think we need to follow

1935
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,920
it. Um and then also I had some

1936
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,920
clarifications on what had been said

1937
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,814
earlier. Um you had asked about parking

1938
01:18:30,814 --> 01:18:31,360
[clears throat]

1939
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,400
in the Tuscanol town homes. Um there's

1940
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,960
actually only three guest parking spaces

1941
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:41,760
for 12 units. Um, and every and there's

1942
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,480
the twobedroom I'm sorry, the two

1943
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:47,440
one-bedroom town homes, they only have

1944
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:49,120
one

1945
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,679
parking space. So, you can see that on

1946
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:55,600
there. Um, I think it is a beautiful

1947
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,199
project. It's lovely. Um, I would love

1948
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:02,320
to see it be brick instead of stone. I

1949
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,480
don't see any stone in our neighborhood

1950
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:07,520
and I don't think it would fit in. Um,

1951
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,719
and then, um, lastly, and I don't have

1952
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:13,440
much time, um, the the idea of not

1953
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:16,480
having yards or porches, I think, is

1954
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:18,960
really important. That's what brings us

1955
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,880
together. That's what the old homes

1956
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:22,960
have. That's what we have. We have a

1957
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,560
porch. You sit out on the porch, you see

1958
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,040
your neighbors walk by. These homes,

1959
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,120
these town homes don't have porches.

1960
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,385
They don't have yards. And that's

1961
01:19:32,385 --> 01:19:32,880
[clears throat]

1962
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:38,310
>> Thank you, Johnny.

1963
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,480
Hi. Hi again. Uh Isaac Low, resident of

1964
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:42,159
Provo. I actually live about five blocks

1965
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:44,000
from this. I did not come here for this

1966
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,679
today. I was confused why there are so

1967
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:46,960
many people at city council and now I

1968
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:53,360
know why. Um but having listened um and living close by, I do feel like I'm

1969
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,320
seeing a pattern of it feels like a lot

1970
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:57,840
of the people who are for this seem to

1971
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,520
live far away but own property nearby.

1972
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,760
um as opposed to the people who live

1973
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,679
there seem to be opposed um in majority

1974
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:10,320
is what I'm noticing and I I feel like

1975
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,480
there is a clue there of another

1976
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,760
solution to the housing problem that we

1977
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,960
have right of um not enough affordable

1978
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,239
housing which is um people who who

1979
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:24,880
perhaps own property but do not live

1980
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,880
there um and that does tend to also make

1981
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,400
housing really unaffordable and there

1982
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,080
are solutions solutions to that that do

1983
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,199
not involve really expensive new homes

1984
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:38,000
um being built in locations that the

1985
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,880
residents do not want them. Um so that

1986
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,159
that's all.

1987
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:51,590
>> Thank you, Isaac.

1988
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,440
» David Keller. I'm usually known as a

1989
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:57,600
longtime resident of Waqin. Um, and yes,

1990
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,400
we bought our house when one of the

1991
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,400
neighbors died and the family needed to

1992
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,560
sell the house. So, just keep waiting

1993
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,400
for somebody to die and you'll

1994
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,800
eventually [clears throat] find

1995
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,880
the house of your dreams. Um, we love

1996
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,960
walking because it's a historic

1997
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,640
neighborhood and those three those three

1998
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,640
row houses from the Victorian era are

1999
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:28,560
one of only two remaining sets of rowous

2000
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,640
in Provo

2001
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,840
and I hate to see them go. I also hate

2002
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:44,080
to see a project that's taller than the than all the other things in the

2003
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,159
neighborhood except for a couple of

2004
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:49,600
buildings that got built um after a

2005
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,320
mistake that a previous council made.

2006
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,760
So, I've been trying to find stuff

2007
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,880
which is no longer on the Provo web

2008
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,719
website, but I found in the 2020 uh 20

2009
01:22:02,719 --> 01:22:06,560
2002 2004 update to the general plan,

2010
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,440
they talked about the history of it and

2011
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:12,560
they said in 1977,

2012
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:16,080
the original 68 general plan, city

2013
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,840
leaders sought to increase the retail

2014
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:19,920
base, establish new industrial centers,

2015
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:21,679
and revitalize older older

2016
01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:23,280
neighborhoods. neighborhoods through

2017
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,679
highdensity development.

2018
01:22:25,679 --> 01:22:29,600
Well, um we saw what happened by the

2019
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,199
1980s.

2020
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,520
The city council was trying to walk that

2021
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,920
back. So, um this is a beautiful

2022
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:42,400
project. It does not match any style

2023
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,199
and the stall guidelines have

2024
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:46,880
disappeared.

2025
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:52,560
But I wish Karen well, but I still say

2026
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,040
it doesn't belong.

2027
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,790
Thank you,

2028
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,560
Alberto Polo. And I live in Pro for

2029
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,520
about 40 years. I came to school like

2030
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,560
many of you and met a wonderful lady in

2031
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,120
there, got married and never left. Uh we

2032
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,440
were in house like about 10 years after

2033
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:16,880
we we got married.

2034
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,880
wasn't easy. It's not like we came out

2035
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,600
from college and went to have a house.

2036
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,840
You know, we wanted to or we couldn't.

2037
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:28,400
So, we had to wait. And well, I live on

2038
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,400
the house for over 30 years and I

2039
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,560
witnessed many things that really

2040
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,040
overwhelm me. You know, when I move over

2041
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,760
there, you can hardly see many cars over

2042
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,480
there. Now

2043
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:46,719
I see four times more cars than I've

2044
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:52,480
seen before. So we are getting extinct from there. And that really made

2045
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:54,719
me sad because I raised my family in

2046
01:23:54,719 --> 01:23:57,520
there, my kids. And I don't think that I

2047
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,440
will raise a family if it were to be

2048
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:02,320
like is becoming.

2049
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,070
Okay. Um,

2050
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,320
I like to say, you know, I I did buy an

2051
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,560
old house and sometimes feel offense and

2052
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,639
I'm also a landlord, okay? And I I work

2053
01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:18,800
very hard in my house. I repl,

2054
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,600
you know, I did it totally. He looks

2055
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,120
nice if you want to see him by any

2056
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,840
chance. One for you know, 200 is. And

2057
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,480
I'm just an engineer. So, uh, I did have

2058
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:30,800
fun doing that. I did have a lot of fun

2059
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,000
and kind of resent to you know to people

2060
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,760
when they said you know it's an old

2061
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:41,040
house you spend so much money no that's incorrect and also as a landlord

2062
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,520
I learned that if you don't put money on

2063
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,560
your house that you are renting then

2064
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,800
you're going to add up a bunch of money

2065
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,520
many years after so that's I don't think

2066
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,639
any excuse and I think that this

2067
01:24:54,639 --> 01:24:57,120
apartment is going to be will be nice

2068
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,679
but it's going to be attached Mahalan is

2069
01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:02,719
not going to be a far afford.

2070
01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:06,709
>> Thank you.

2071
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:08,159
» Be quick, I promise. My name is Jacob

2072
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:11,840
Wixom. I live here in Provo about five

2073
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,320
blocks south of us. Um I actually wanted

2074
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,960
to share a couple of thoughts um that

2075
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,040
are more about the RC zone than this

2076
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,239
specific project. Um,

2077
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:23,679
I went to the planning commission

2078
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:26,239
meeting and noticed some patterns in the

2079
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:28,320
conversation there as well that that I

2080
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,280
think are worth taking seriously. I I I

2081
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,520
get the sense I've only lived in Provo

2082
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:34,800
for like eight months, so I definitely

2083
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,159
wasn't here when the RC zone was

2084
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:38,960
created, but I get the sense that um

2085
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,880
people that are lucky enough to live in

2086
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,040
a place like downtown Provo can tell

2087
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:44,400
that they have something special and

2088
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,679
that's disappearing and um that we don't

2089
01:25:47,679 --> 01:25:50,400
yet have the language around what that

2090
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,400
is and how to preserve it, how to create

2091
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,000
more of it rather than letting it slip

2092
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,719
away. and that that our seone was kind

2093
01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:59,600
of built to like preserve what we have

2094
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,480
while we figure that out so that we can

2095
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:04,719
be thoughtful about that going forward.

2096
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:06,880
And so I would just throw out there that

2097
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:11,120
maybe it's a job half done. Um but that

2098
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,320
I I would hate for the result of

2099
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,159
whatever direction you go on this

2100
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,880
specific question to be uh to one

2101
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,560
extreme or the other, right? That like

2102
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,360
nothing is ever going to be done. the

2103
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:24,480
community is not going to be allowed to

2104
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,440
evolve, right? Or that this is just

2105
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:29,120
untenable and we have to let anything

2106
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:33,120
go. I I am lucky enough to live in like

2107
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,040
a really really beautiful part of the

2108
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,800
city and I love the walkability in the

2109
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,159
community and the block parties and all

2110
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:40,960
those things. Um, but I I also would

2111
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,159
love for more people to have that

2112
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:44,080
opportunity and would just encourage you

2113
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:48,320
to um I guess maybe whatever direction

2114
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,800
this goes, push toward finishing that

2115
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,960
job so that we can make more of Provo

2116
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,760
feel the way uh Waheen and Mer and the

2117
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,920
surrounding area feels.

2118
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:59,100
>> Thank you, Jake.

2119
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:00,239
[clears throat and cough]

2120
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:04,470
Is there any other public comment?

2121
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:06,560
It was wonderful to hear from so many of

2122
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,120
you and and helpful as well as council

2123
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,239
members. We value your input and your

2124
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:13,840
comments. Thank you to all of you. We'll

2125
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,080
close public comment at this time then

2126
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,480
and bring the item to the council for

2127
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:24,310
discussion.

2128
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,610
Councelor Bogdan,

2129
01:27:26,610 --> 01:27:26,960
[clears throat]

2130
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:27,440
>> I do

2131
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,920
>> excuse excuse me, Becky. I actually

2132
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,560
meant to make one other comment. Uh

2133
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,360
Taran, thank you for your work as well.

2134
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:39,040
We've heard from u many people here. Was

2135
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:40,320
there anything that was said that you

2136
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,960
felt like you would like to correct? I

2137
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,880
we we value everyone's opinions, but was

2138
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:46,400
there anything that was misstated that

2139
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,639
you would like to correct?

2140
01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:50,320
>> No misstatements. I love everyone's

2141
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,000
thoughts and opinions. I just did want

2142
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,840
to add two things. uh 24% of walking

2143
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,800
neighborhood uh members actually own a

2144
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,280
home and and so um wanted to make sure

2145
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,000
to make that uh addition and then along

2146
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,960
with the fact that that this development

2147
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,600
I have have decided I want it to be a

2148
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,679
safety hub. We talked with the police of

2149
01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:14,000
chief uh quite a few months ago and he

2150
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,639
there was a a mention of bike theft in

2151
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:18,639
that neighborhood. It is the highest

2152
01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:20,560
bike theft in Walke neighborhood

2153
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,840
actually um in in all of Provo City. And

2154
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,080
so we have talked to the police chief

2155
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,080
about setting up a little hub there

2156
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,480
where there's cameras that link directly

2157
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:33,280
to the station where they can watch that

2158
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,520
uh neighborhood more closely and how

2159
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,120
nice would that be to just feel a little

2160
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,040
bit more protected. So thank you.

2161
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,639
>> Thank you. Taran Council Bogdan.

2162
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:46,400
>> Okay, Bill. Where's Bill? Right there.

2163
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:47,920
Okay. Okay. So, from what I understand,

2164
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:51,520
the Walke neighborhood has the highest

2165
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,920
amount of people in the state within

2166
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,280
that neighborhood. Is that correct?

2167
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,120
>> Yes. The highest population density.

2168
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,040
Yes.

2169
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,480
>> And from what I understand,

2170
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:06,800
um, when you guys did this neighborhood

2171
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,480
plan, the neighbors are not necessarily

2172
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:13,440
against highdensity housing. They were

2173
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:16,960
very firm and they they came up with a

2174
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,480
really good compromise that below fifth

2175
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:22,719
north, am I correct? Correct me if I'm

2176
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:25,199
wrong. Below fifth north would be

2177
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:27,280
preserved

2178
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,360
and above fifth north that's where the

2179
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,080
density would be.

2180
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:38,229
And um

2181
01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:41,040
even with that, this is the highest

2182
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:45,840
population in the entire state.

2183
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,360
So

2184
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,440
to me,

2185
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:52,639
when you say we need more housing, we need more housing,

2186
01:29:52,639 --> 01:29:56,719
we are putting more units here than

2187
01:29:56,719 --> 01:30:00,560
anywhere in the entire state.

2188
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,159
So,

2189
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:05,520
I am very appreciative of the time that

2190
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,920
the Walke neighborhood has spent on this

2191
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,679
plan.

2192
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:11,360
I also know that we need to draw a line

2193
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,639
in the sand somewhere.

2194
01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:18,400
We love students. We love

2195
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,199
where they're at, but we also love our

2196
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:22,800
people. And the one thing that I did

2197
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,199
learn from this whole thing, I did not

2198
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:26,800
realize that the walking neighborhood

2199
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:31,600
was really historical preservationists.

2200
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,239
That's that's amazing. I think that's

2201
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:38,239
amazing. Um I do realize that if we

2202
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:40,159
don't keep up on our housing that our

2203
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:43,199
housing does diminish. And it's

2204
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:45,840
important, especially in those those

2205
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,280
neighborhoods, that we keep up on the

2206
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:48,880
housing, whether it's rental stock or

2207
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,120
whether it's home ownership, that we do

2208
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,480
keep that housing up because once that's

2209
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:56,800
gone in that neighborhood, it is the

2210
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:01,679
highest population in the state, right?

2211
01:31:01,679 --> 01:31:04,560
And it's gone. And I don't blame them

2212
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:08,800
for wanting to preserve what's there.

2213
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:10,800
I don't want them I I don't blame them

2214
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,000
for wanting to preserve

2215
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:17,199
those connections that they have.

2216
01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:19,840
So, um I just wanted to bring that up

2217
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,880
that we can't really judge them too

2218
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,760
harshly in my opinion because they have

2219
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,560
compromised very very well and said this

2220
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,560
is the line in the sand. This is where

2221
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,840
you can build as far as I remember that

2222
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,520
campus housing right there bill can go

2223
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:36,800
as high as they want to. We don't have

2224
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:41,590
limits on how high it can go.

2225
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,639
» There's no cap on density. I believe the

2226
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:46,639
building height is 75 ft. You remember

2227
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:48,080
D. I believe the building height in the

2228
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,239
campus, excuse our campus, residential

2229
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:52,239
zone is 75 ft.

2230
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:54,159
>> Okay. So, see they you can go pretty

2231
01:31:54,159 --> 01:31:56,960
high and tall. They've allowed for a lot

2232
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:00,159
in that neighborhood. Thanks, Bill.

2233
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:10,229
>> Thank you, councelor Bogdan. others.

2234
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:12,193
Councelor Whitlock,

2235
01:32:12,193 --> 01:32:13,520
[clears throat] I have some questions

2236
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,639
that came up while uh that while

2237
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:19,120
listening to public comments. One

2238
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:22,159
question perhaps this is for um Brian

2239
01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:25,040
Jones. Um how do we how does enforcement

2240
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:29,120
on deed restrictions work in practice?

2241
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:30,800
Well, it's an excellent question because

2242
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,320
so far we haven't had to do one because

2243
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,040
it's such a new concept. But what uh but

2244
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:36,800
the template that we've employed, what

2245
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:40,639
it actually does is it um because one of

2246
01:32:40,639 --> 01:32:42,639
the thing one of the issues, one of the

2247
01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:46,639
concerns about this idea of uh not the

2248
01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:48,719
deed restriction itself, but the CCNRs,

2249
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:51,040
right, is that the HOA can always get

2250
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:52,960
together and vote later to change the

2251
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,840
rules. So that's only as good as placing

2252
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,800
the rules for when the HOA first starts.

2253
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,400
So, one of the things that we've done

2254
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,520
with our template is actually uh require

2255
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:08,159
that that can't happen and granting

2256
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:11,280
Provo City an enforcement right so that

2257
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:14,239
Provo City itself can enforce the

2258
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:19,199
non-owner occupancy uh violations

2259
01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:21,520
uh by

2260
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,639
um not granting

2261
01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:27,199
uh rental licenses. So the deed

2262
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:29,040
restriction gives us the right to not

2263
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:32,239
grant a rental license to someone who

2264
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:33,760
shouldn't have one under the deed

2265
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:35,920
restriction and then we can criminally

2266
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,600
prosecute them for renting without a

2267
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,159
license. So that's the that's the

2268
01:33:40,159 --> 01:33:42,480
enforcement mechanism that we've devised

2269
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:44,960
for this situation. We have not yet

2270
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,040
employed it. I feel pretty confident

2271
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,960
that it's pretty sound in the sense that

2272
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,400
we we do already enforce against people

2273
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,719
for renting without a license. So that's

2274
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:56,159
an established tool that we already know

2275
01:33:56,159 --> 01:33:57,520
how to use. This just gives us a

2276
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,199
mechanism down the road for how we would

2277
01:33:59,199 --> 01:33:59,920
use it.

2278
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:01,679
>> Do you feel like, again, I'm asking you

2279
01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:03,199
to make somewhat of a judgment call, so

2280
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:04,320
if you don't feel comfortable, that's

2281
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,719
fine. But do you feel that this

2282
01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:08,639
mechanism will be materially more

2283
01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:10,960
successful than

2284
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,280
enforcing against illegal ADUs, for

2285
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:14,880
example? Is it is there something about

2286
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:16,480
the nature of it that makes it easier to

2287
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:21,510
enforce?

2288
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,600
Generally speaking,

2289
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,239
yes. Um I I mean there are still some

2290
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:28,880
challenges against both, right? I mean

2291
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,440
uh the problem with enforcing against

2292
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:34,080
the eagle the illegal ADUs is we

2293
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,800
actually have to prove that there are

2294
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,840
two family units in the in the home.

2295
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,719
Right? So it's less about that becomes

2296
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:46,159
an issue less of um proving that there

2297
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:48,880
is a rental situation happening and more

2298
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,440
of a situation of having to prove the

2299
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:53,360
occupancy which based on the city's

2300
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,679
family but definition of a family means

2301
01:34:55,679 --> 01:34:57,760
sometimes trying to prove that

2302
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,440
statements made to us about

2303
01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:00,719
relationships are false

2304
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:01,600
>> not accurate

2305
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,639
>> right so so just proving that something

2306
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:07,199
is being rented when it shouldn't be is

2307
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:08,880
easier than that

2308
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,520
>> okay thank Thank you. And then uh

2309
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:12,880
Director Pepperon, you have a question.

2310
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,760
That's okay. Uh just I think this might

2311
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:16,800
have been asked previously in the

2312
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:17,760
planning commission meeting, but I don't

2313
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:19,120
really have my head around it. Why are

2314
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,560
these called town homes and not condos?

2315
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:24,880
>> So, first to just uh add to what Brian

2316
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,760
just said. So, I think um ease of

2317
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,320
enforcement isn't so much the issue

2318
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:31,920
because either case it's going to

2319
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,520
require going through a court action,

2320
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,840
but our likelihood of success is

2321
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,400
probably going to be better under this

2322
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:39,440
new idea.

2323
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:40,320
>> That makes sense.

2324
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:41,760
>> Um these are town homes, not

2325
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,600
condominiums, because there's no one

2326
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,280
living above anybody else is my

2327
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,120
understanding. Correct. One unit goes

2328
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:48,480
from floor to ceiling.

2329
01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:50,800
>> So, they all have a plat.

2330
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,480
>> They all have their own platted lot.

2331
01:35:52,480 --> 01:35:53,199
Yes.

2332
01:35:53,199 --> 01:36:02,310
>> Thank you.

2333
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,480
councelor Whitlock. Other

2334
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:08,470
comments

2335
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:09,760
» or discussion?

2336
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:11,280
>> I I have some,

2337
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:12,239
>> councelor Whipple,

2338
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:15,120
>> which shouldn't surprise you. Um, first

2339
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:19,120
I I want to thank the developer for

2340
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:22,239
their very thoughtful work on this.

2341
01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:24,320
They've gotten a lot of feedback and

2342
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,560
some of it has been really hard to hear

2343
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,199
and they have accepted that with grace

2344
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:31,040
and gone back to the drawing board

2345
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,560
several times to account for concerns

2346
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,880
that have been raised by the people in

2347
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,040
the neighborhood there. I also want to

2348
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,520
thank the many people who came to give

2349
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:46,400
comment. Um you can see that there's a

2350
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,280
wide variety of opinions on this and

2351
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:54,800
everyone is valuing something really important to them. Whether it's

2352
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,880
the existing character of the

2353
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,199
neighborhood, which they define as, you

2354
01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:00,960
know, these older historic looking

2355
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,840
homes, or whether it's the opportunity

2356
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:07,760
to actually live in the neighborhood

2357
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,000
as we've,

2358
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,679
you know, 20 years ago, 15, 20 years

2359
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:16,080
ago, the city had the neighbor works

2360
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,480
program and paint your heart out, other

2361
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:20,800
opportunities where there were these

2362
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,360
partnerships so that there was

2363
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,920
investment of grant money and other

2364
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,560
dollars into old homes so that they

2365
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,800
could be rehabilitated

2366
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,840
and there were grants for people to help

2367
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,239
with their down payment. Um, sometimes

2368
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:38,639
they'd have to do sweat equity so people

2369
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:41,040
could get these older homes and live in

2370
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,040
the neighborhoods. And I remember

2371
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:44,719
helping with the paint your heart out. I

2372
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:46,560
had neighbors help me paint my house.

2373
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,480
Need to do it again, but that's a

2374
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:51,040
different story. Um, but all of these

2375
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:54,960
things built community. And when we have

2376
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:58,480
a program like that, the RC zone can

2377
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:03,679
make sense because the RC zone froze the

2378
01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:06,800
zoning, but it also wanted to freeze the

2379
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:09,119
structures in the houses. But unless

2380
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:12,159
we've got something that helps the

2381
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:16,000
community to reinvest in the structures,

2382
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,320
the freezing of the zoning just means

2383
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:21,520
that they decay. And we've seen that

2384
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,480
decay with a lot of the housing stock in

2385
01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:27,600
the Waqen and the Mer neighborhood. It's

2386
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:29,199
an issue in all of our Pioneer

2387
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:32,790
neighborhoods. Frankly,

2388
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,080
we need to have a healthy mix in our

2389
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:40,800
neighborhoods, a good mix of renters and

2390
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:44,159
owner occupants so that you have

2391
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:47,199
stability and vitality. So, you've got

2392
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:49,040
like the energy from the new people

2393
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:53,280
coming in and and the anchor families

2394
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,920
who are there to help structure your

2395
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,400
schools and your church communities and

2396
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,800
everything like that. Um, and I say this

2397
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,040
as somebody who lives just a few blocks

2398
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,840
away from this proposed development. I

2399
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,960
see this in my neighborhood, in the the

2400
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:12,080
church community that I attend. These

2401
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,320
are real issues and we benefit from

2402
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:16,880
having our young student families,

2403
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,360
mostly married students who are there

2404
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,119
and

2405
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:23,199
they bemoone the fact that they can't

2406
01:39:23,199 --> 01:39:25,360
afford to stay in the neighborhood. They

2407
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:26,800
can't afford to buy a house in the

2408
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,280
neighborhood.

2409
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,920
when we're looking at at calling this

2410
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,119
high density housing, um I think maybe

2411
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:36,880
our language isn't good around that

2412
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,719
because we hear high density and we

2413
01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:43,840
think like super tall apartments and and

2414
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:45,520
that's not what we're really looking at

2415
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:46,639
here, even though that's how it's

2416
01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:48,320
defined in our code. What we're looking

2417
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:52,400
at is going from four units to 12 units.

2418
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:55,040
three times the number of units in this

2419
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:56,639
area,

2420
01:39:56,639 --> 01:39:58,880
but instead of being rentals, these

2421
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:00,639
would be

2422
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:03,840
occupied by homeowners. That can change

2423
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:07,760
the balance of an LDS ward to have that

2424
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,119
many people come in and buy a house.

2425
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:13,440
When we bought our house, it was like we

2426
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:14,960
had put a target on our back for

2427
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,159
leadership callings. Like, this will

2428
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:23,669
help the neighborhood if it's approved.

2429
01:40:23,679 --> 01:40:26,639
It's unclear that the existing

2430
01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:28,719
structure, if it were torn down and

2431
01:40:28,719 --> 01:40:31,600
replaced with another threelex and

2432
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,480
another single house, could actually be

2433
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:37,440
rebuilt on the property because if it

2434
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:39,760
were torn down to be built with a a new

2435
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:41,679
unit that matched the density, the new

2436
01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:44,400
one would have to match the new setback

2437
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,480
requirements and everything. And I don't

2438
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:48,400
know if that's feasible. Um, that would

2439
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:49,840
be a question for our development

2440
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,159
services, but it would be hard to

2441
01:40:52,159 --> 01:40:54,880
replace it with exactly what's there,

2442
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:59,280
but a new version of it. And it's really

2443
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:01,280
expensive to rehabilitate the old

2444
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:05,600
houses. We a couple of years ago put out

2445
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:10,000
a bid to to completely redo our house,

2446
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,480
which was built in 1904.

2447
01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:14,560
Because the house is a civ, there's no

2448
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:17,440
insulation. It's got l and plaster. All

2449
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:19,600
of these things needed to be upgraded

2450
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:22,719
from the sewer to the roof to

2451
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:25,600
everything. Everything basically. And we

2452
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:30,560
were looking at over $300,000 then. And

2453
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,960
I think it would be more now. Like it

2454
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:34,880
would be less expensive just to tear

2455
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,679
down our house and do entirely new

2456
01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:41,920
construction. Although again, we would have difficulty citing it on our

2457
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,159
lot because our house doesn't meet

2458
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:49,030
modern setback requirements either.

2459
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:50,719
Sorry, I'm having a hard time reading my

2460
01:41:50,719 --> 01:41:52,639
notes because it's getting dark here.

2461
01:41:52,639 --> 01:41:54,639
Um,

2462
01:41:54,639 --> 01:41:57,600
right now another concern. Oh, so the

2463
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,880
council in other context has expressed

2464
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:04,000
significant concern about backyard

2465
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,080
privacy

2466
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,080
that people need to be able to have

2467
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,080
their backyards and not have somebody

2468
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:12,560
overlooking into their backyard. And

2469
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:15,119
some of our public comment raised this

2470
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:18,480
concern as well. Right now there is an

2471
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:21,280
apartment complex right next to this.

2472
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,600
There is no way that any structures

2473
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,520
there are going to have a private

2474
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:29,280
backyard. And it seems

2475
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:31,600
um

2476
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,560
it seems that this kind of structure in

2477
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,280
this place would fit well with what is

2478
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,159
already there. Looking at the Waqeen

2479
01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:43,199
neighborhood plan,

2480
01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:46,560
it says that, you know, South Walkeen

2481
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,960
has uses just as diverse as those that

2482
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:52,159
are in Northween, but it has even more

2483
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:55,040
varied residential types. One of the

2484
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:56,800
defining characteristics of this

2485
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,280
neighborhood at this point in time is

2486
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,320
the diversity of housing types of houses

2487
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:05,679
that have been built over the course of

2488
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:08,400
more than a hundred years sitting side

2489
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,639
by side. So that when you walk through

2490
01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:13,119
the neighborhood, you're walking through

2491
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:15,600
history and you're seeing the changes.

2492
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,159
We have some houses that are, you know,

2493
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:21,280
mid-century ranches next to, you know,

2494
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,840
little old ones that were built in the

2495
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:29,040
early 20th century. That adds charm and

2496
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,600
character, but we haven't been able to

2497
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,480
get a lot of new ones for the last

2498
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:36,320
couple of decades because of this

2499
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:39,040
essential m mortorium we've had because

2500
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:42,320
of the RC zoning. And it's important for

2501
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:46,159
a neighborhood to be alive, for it to

2502
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:49,760
have the opportunity to grow and change,

2503
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,159
to adapt to changing times and

2504
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:54,000
conditions.

2505
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:57,199
This plan

2506
01:43:57,199 --> 01:44:03,679
does not preserve the old houses. And as one of our commenters said, this is

2507
01:44:03,679 --> 01:44:06,159
one of two existing rowouses that are

2508
01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:12,880
left in Provo. A third one was to the east of Provo Peaks Elementary. It

2509
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:15,760
was torn down decades ago. And if this

2510
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,600
is torn down, then the only one we'll

2511
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:19,360
have is the one that's kind of behind

2512
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,280
the Fresh Market, which is adorable.

2513
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:25,440
Everybody should go look at it. Um,

2514
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:28,480
I hate the idea of losing that piece of

2515
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:31,280
our Provo history, but I think it's more

2516
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:32,960
important

2517
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:35,600
that we

2518
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:39,040
build for the people who are here now

2519
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:42,239
who don't have that home to live in, who

2520
01:44:42,239 --> 01:44:44,159
want to invest in our community, who

2521
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:46,560
want to buy a house and are simply not

2522
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:50,159
able to. Right now, our neighborhood

2523
01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:53,600
plan and program and the city council,

2524
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,880
frankly, are structured to really

2525
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:02,239
protect the interest of a small property

2526
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:03,760
minority.

2527
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:05,840
Instead of representing all of the

2528
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,880
people who live in our community,

2529
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:13,520
we only has 24% homeowner occupation.

2530
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:16,639
I think going from 12 structures that

2531
01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:19,119
are not homeowner occupied to another 12

2532
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:21,440
or four that are not occupied to 12 that

2533
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:23,760
would be may not change that percentage

2534
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,600
much, but it would be a move in the

2535
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:29,280
right direction and consistent with the

2536
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,360
council goals that we've had for a

2537
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,000
couple of years now.

2538
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:37,280
But I also have to recognize that my

2539
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,280
constituency

2540
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,920
because this is my district. Most of

2541
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,320
them are renters and most of them are

2542
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,880
facing that uncertainty and instability

2543
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:50,000
in their housing because their rent

2544
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,119
at most is a year contract and then it's

2545
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:55,760
raised when they renew or it goes

2546
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,159
month-to-month. They have no stability.

2547
01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:00,560
They have no way of building that wealth

2548
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,199
by having equity in a home.

2549
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:06,000
So representing

2550
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:10,080
them that big part of my constituency,

2551
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:11,920
I have to say that I'm supportive of

2552
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:15,199
this even though many of my good friends

2553
01:46:15,199 --> 01:46:19,679
are speaking against this project. Um,

2554
01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:22,719
I understand their concerns and I think

2555
01:46:22,719 --> 01:46:25,840
their concerns are valid, but I

2556
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,800
recognize that there are different

2557
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:32,000
competing concerns. And I think that

2558
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,480
this project

2559
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:37,280
serves that higher need. And with the

2560
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:40,080
new profer that these would be homeowner

2561
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,440
occupied in perpetuity, that these would

2562
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:46,000
not be churned out, it's going to make

2563
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,639
it a lot harder for them to turn into

2564
01:46:48,639 --> 01:46:51,280
student rentals or things like that.

2565
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:53,040
This is a way to help stabilize the

2566
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:56,560
neighborhood and I'm supportive of it.

2567
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:58,719
>> Thank you, Councelor Whipple. Councelor

2568
01:46:58,719 --> 01:47:02,709
Christensen.

2569
01:47:02,719 --> 01:47:05,440
Well, I uh

2570
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:10,480
I love the uh the home ownership uh that was profered in in this. I I think

2571
01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:13,600
that makes a lot of sense. We we worked

2572
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:16,320
hard to get home ownership.

2573
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,199
Um the other thing that that I have felt

2574
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:21,199
strongly about, so Rachel talked about

2575
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:22,880
things that you value. One of the things

2576
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:26,000
that I value is neighborhoods

2577
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:29,600
and I do value. There was a comment in

2578
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:33,360
the public uh public comments about you

2579
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:34,960
know going through this whole democratic

2580
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,920
process you know to make this plan and

2581
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:41,920
yes it is a democratic process and we we

2582
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:43,600
work together as neighbors we come up

2583
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:48,400
with plans we come up with things and we do the very best we can and that

2584
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:50,560
creates a social contract and I don't

2585
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:52,560
think you just throw that away because

2586
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:56,159
someone has a better plan I I don't

2587
01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:58,000
think it's appropriate for us to spot

2588
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:02,000
zone in any neighborhood. Even if we can

2589
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,119
come up with higher goods or the ends

2590
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:07,840
justify the means or we we create more

2591
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:10,560
product, it it's it's not like this is

2592
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,320
low-income housing. We're talking about

2593
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:16,080
this like this is going to um like this

2594
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,280
is a a welfare project. No, this could

2595
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:21,600
easily be turned into four very nice

2596
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:24,480
homes instead of 12. Now, I understand

2597
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:27,920
the developers motivation to optimize in

2598
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:30,080
market rates, that makes sense to me as

2599
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:32,159
well.

2600
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:34,800
But to bring this into a neighborhood

2601
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:38,000
where that we have um agreements, even

2602
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,719
as perfect as they are, I I I can't

2603
01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:43,840
support that. I do value the process

2604
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:45,520
that we go through. Now, if that

2605
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,840
neighborhood decides as a neighborhood,

2606
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:49,520
let's change that and we work together

2607
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:54,080
as city council, I'm all in. But um no,

2608
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:57,440
I I I can't support spot zoning even

2609
01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:00,719
when it's a project like this. Um

2610
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:02,400
because I think it's important to

2611
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,679
respect the neighborhood and the zoning

2612
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:10,080
that's in place. And I I I uh for that

2613
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,320
reason I I can't support this going

2614
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:16,550
forward.

2615
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:19,199
» Thank you, Councelor Christensen.

2616
01:49:19,199 --> 01:49:20,719
Councelor McCay, did you have any

2617
01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:23,910
comments?

2618
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,320
Okay,

2619
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:28,159
Councelor Whitlock.

2620
01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:29,760
>> Yeah, I have a couple comments, but

2621
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,159
first just one more question if I may

2622
01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:34,560
ask. Director Pepperoni, when can you

2623
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:36,960
remind me when the Scamp plan was

2624
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:38,880
created and then when the current plan

2625
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,119
was updated?

2626
01:49:41,119 --> 01:49:43,280
>> I came onto the city in 2010 and Scamp

2627
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:45,199
had been done four or five years ahead

2628
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:46,960
of that. The gentleman who spoke about

2629
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,880
that, does that sound right?

2630
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:52,400
>> Yeah. started in 2000. It took five

2631
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:57,119
years to get through process

2632
01:49:57,119 --> 01:49:58,080
>> and then what was your question?

2633
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,400
>> And then has that is that still the the

2634
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,560
current plan or was it then re-updated

2635
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:03,760
into the Waheen neighborhood plan?

2636
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:05,280
>> It was updated to the Waqen plan. The

2637
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:06,880
one thing that was most consistent about

2638
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:11,119
both is that they both said let's allow

2639
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:13,679
north of 500 North to redevelop as high

2640
01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:16,320
density student housing. Let's try to

2641
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:18,320
preserve what's below that. And when was

2642
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,239
the current walking plan completed and

2643
01:50:20,239 --> 01:50:20,800
adopted?

2644
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:22,239
>> About 2014.

2645
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:24,480
>> 2014. So a little over a decade.

2646
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:24,960
>> Yes.

2647
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,840
>> Okay. Yeah. Just some thoughts on this.

2648
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,320
If I'm being quite honest, I'm I'm

2649
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:31,920
conflicted. I think there are some

2650
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:35,280
legitimate competing values here. Uh one

2651
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:38,159
being a housing affordability issue. And

2652
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:40,320
I I think one of the commenters, you did

2653
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:41,520
a good job. That was one of the most

2654
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:44,960
articulately uh stated problems that we

2655
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,440
face where that we have a younger

2656
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:49,760
generation that either was not living in

2657
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:51,440
Provo or was not politically active when

2658
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:53,119
many of these plans were created and

2659
01:50:53,119 --> 01:50:54,800
they're saying please help me find a

2660
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:56,880
place to live. They're looking at a

2661
01:50:56,880 --> 01:51:00,159
median housing price of $550,000 over

2662
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:04,800
half a million. You have to make $150k

2663
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:06,480
to not be house poor and make that

2664
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:08,000
payment. So, when I hear about a

2665
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,400
$280,000 starter home, while someone who

2666
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:11,760
has owned a house for a long time might

2667
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:12,719
say, "Well, that doesn't sound that

2668
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:14,239
affordable." That actually is the

2669
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:15,520
difference between being able to get

2670
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:17,760
into a house or not, studies show when

2671
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:19,760
you're able to purchase a house, it

2672
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:21,679
stabilizes your financial planning, you

2673
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:24,159
get equity, you start to build wealth.

2674
01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:26,639
Um, as a community, we need to find ways

2675
01:51:26,639 --> 01:51:29,119
to help younger families get into our

2676
01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:31,119
community. At the same time, I also

2677
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:32,800
value neighborhood input. That's

2678
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:34,239
obviously a critical part of the

2679
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:36,320
process. So, part of me feels a little

2680
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:38,480
sad that there maybe wasn't more work

2681
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:40,639
done to try and find a compromise that

2682
01:51:40,639 --> 01:51:42,960
clearly had more neighborhood support.

2683
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:46,080
Um, and that's kind of maybe where I'm

2684
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:48,880
at here is like I feel like maybe I I I

2685
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,840
love the owner um occupancy profered

2686
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,000
from perpetuity. I think that's a great

2687
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:55,520
compromise. Thank you so much for doing

2688
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,440
that. I wonder if there are not a few

2689
01:51:57,440 --> 01:51:59,280
more compromises that could be made.

2690
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:02,239
perhaps making it look less uh Italian

2691
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:04,800
and more Provo uh could maybe go a long

2692
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:06,560
way and then we could get some

2693
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:08,080
neighborhood support and we could do

2694
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:10,880
this with um you know with unonymity

2695
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:13,119
here and I I I really think there's a

2696
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:14,880
way we can make that happen having

2697
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:17,119
talked to many of the my constituents in

2698
01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:19,119
that area. Um so that would be my

2699
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:20,800
encouragement. I'm curious if you have

2700
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:24,159
any thoughts on on that.

2701
01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:27,280
>> Thank you councelor Whitlock.

2702
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,760
I also remember

2703
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:31,920
the south campus area master plan that

2704
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:35,040
was introduced 25 years ago now uh under

2705
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:37,360
the direction of uh then mayor Lewis

2706
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:41,040
Billings who got this group together and

2707
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:43,760
it was very encouraging to see the

2708
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:46,800
potential that there could be

2709
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,280
preservation in this residential

2710
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:51,760
conservation district and increase

2711
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:55,040
student housing. Uh, I would I would

2712
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,679
dare say that um [clears throat]

2713
01:52:57,679 --> 01:52:59,920
the outcome for that vision has not

2714
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:02,320
really materialized the way I think

2715
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:05,199
everyone hoped it would.

2716
01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:08,870
But um

2717
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:13,119
but I value um that plan and the group

2718
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:20,470
that was determined to preserve um

2719
01:53:20,480 --> 01:53:22,800
the uh their neighborhood. this

2720
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:26,183
residential conservation area.

2721
01:53:26,183 --> 01:53:27,440
[clears throat]

2722
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:30,000
Uh Taran, I I love your project. It's

2723
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,960
beautiful. U and your presentation was

2724
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:35,679
outstanding. I think developers should

2725
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:39,119
retain you to do their presentation.

2726
01:53:39,119 --> 01:53:41,920
The um

2727
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:45,760
one reality that we're seeing uh is

2728
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:47,440
outside

2729
01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:50,239
uh investors for lack of a better word

2730
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:53,280
uh are sending their kids to school.

2731
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:56,400
They buy a home and their child lives in

2732
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:59,440
it and then they have two roommates

2733
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:03,119
which is allowed. That's the um defined

2734
01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:06,800
by ordinance as a family. Um and one one

2735
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:08,800
such home in our neighborhood uh just

2736
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:10,719
changed recently

2737
01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:12,400
purchased by this is a family

2738
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,040
neighborhood purchased by an outside uh

2739
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,199
investor whose daughter and two friends

2740
01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:21,280
live there. So uh I'm afraid that it

2741
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:24,880
it's likely we would see that kind of

2742
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,119
arrangement in these uh beautiful town

2743
01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:29,719
homes as well.

2744
01:54:29,719 --> 01:54:30,000
>> [cough and clears throat]

2745
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:34,000
>> What I would like to see the the um

2746
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:36,560
walking neighborhood plan

2747
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:39,119
10 years is not a lot of time, but the

2748
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:41,360
economy has shifted dramatically in the

2749
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:44,800
last 10 years. And I I would encourage

2750
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,360
the walking neighborhood to come

2751
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:48,960
together [clears throat]

2752
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,199
and reconsider what their plan should

2753
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:52,639
look like. What are the objectives

2754
01:54:52,639 --> 01:54:55,520
they're trying to achieve? They'd like

2755
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:59,040
families. that like homeowner occupancy.

2756
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:00,960
That's something that this project could

2757
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:04,320
offer a young couple

2758
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,440
um or um and someone just getting

2759
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,480
started with their home.

2760
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:12,159
Um

2761
01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:14,320
so [clears throat] I I would like to see

2762
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:16,159
neighborhoods

2763
01:55:16,159 --> 01:55:18,639
take another look at their neighborhood

2764
01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:21,360
plans given the economics of the last 10

2765
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,639
years. Um, I agree with comments that

2766
01:55:24,639 --> 01:55:28,080
have been made that it's not likely that

2767
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:30,080
someone can come in and take one of

2768
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:32,159
these beautiful pioneer homes and turn

2769
01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:36,480
it into what it needs to be um,

2770
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:40,239
and what we'd like it to be. And that hasn't happened. Many have been

2771
01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:42,000
preserved,

2772
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:45,440
but it's hard to return those to uh to

2773
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:48,960
that status that that we've lost.

2774
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:52,400
We have in [clears throat] other

2775
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:54,639
regarding other policies in the city,

2776
01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:57,040
we've respected and valued what

2777
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:58,880
neighborhoods want for their

2778
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:01,119
neighborhoods.

2779
01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:04,000
We have um

2780
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:06,800
we've tried to take the position that

2781
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:09,599
each neighborhood can define and decide

2782
01:56:09,599 --> 01:56:11,280
what they would like knowing that

2783
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:17,510
they've invested in that neighborhood.

2784
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:19,840
So, those are some of my thoughts.

2785
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:23,440
Anyone else? Councelor Hogan,

2786
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,280
>> appreciate the time that you guys put

2787
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:27,520
into this project. Um, if I'm reading

2788
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:28,880
the tea leaves, I don't think there's

2789
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:32,159
support for it. So, um, I guess I'm

2790
01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:33,440
going to make a motion that we continue

2791
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:36,080
the item. There's one more comment on

2792
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,159
>> Oh, okay.

2793
01:56:38,159 --> 01:56:39,199
>> Do you want to wait?

2794
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:41,760
>> Yeah, I'll let them make Councor McKay,

2795
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:43,199
you can go ahead.

2796
01:56:43,199 --> 01:56:45,199
>> Hey, can you hear me?

2797
01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:47,199
Yes.

2798
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:49,360
>> Um, number one, I'd like to hear the

2799
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:54,639
response to um Jeff's question about

2800
01:56:54,639 --> 01:56:56,800
changing the design to a more provo

2801
01:56:56,800 --> 01:57:01,030
design.

2802
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:02,880
» Did we get a response to that?

2803
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:05,119
>> No, we didn't. Uh, Council McKay is

2804
01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:06,320
asking if you could respond to my

2805
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:09,440
earlier question.

2806
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,000
>> Councelor McCay, thank you. We have been

2807
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,440
willing to change everything at this

2808
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:14,880
point. So, of course, we would be

2809
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:16,560
willing to make that change. We are not

2810
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:18,960
set on on any specific thing. We just

2811
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:20,560
have an Italian background. So, we

2812
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:22,480
thought that might be lovely. But if

2813
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:24,639
that is something that is a gamecher,

2814
01:57:24,639 --> 01:57:25,840
we're certainly willing to look into

2815
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:26,400
that.

2816
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:28,000
>> Yeah, I think the if you look at the

2817
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:29,599
walking neighborhood plan, it does talk

2818
01:57:29,599 --> 01:57:31,760
about certain design standards that kind

2819
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:33,520
of fit in with the historic nature of

2820
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:36,000
this uh neighborhood and I think that

2821
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,760
would be highly valued by the residents.

2822
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:40,080
>> Appreciate it. Thank you.

2823
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:42,400
Um on I I love that. That is important

2824
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:44,560
to me. This is an I'm extremely torn on

2825
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:47,280
this decision. Um, I value the

2826
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:48,639
neighborhood plans. I value neighborhood

2827
01:57:48,639 --> 01:57:50,000
input. I've been to every neighborhood

2828
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:52,000
meeting about this and I go to every

2829
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:56,239
neighborhood meeting that I can attend.

2830
01:57:56,239 --> 01:57:59,360
And at the same time, I'm also value I

2831
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:01,920
think it's huge that Taran is offering

2832
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:05,040
homeowner occupancy in perpetuity. That

2833
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:06,880
is a game changer for this part of town.

2834
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:08,560
It'll change wars. It'll change schools.

2835
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:10,000
It'll change community. It will

2836
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:12,080
absolutely be a gamecher. Now, correct

2837
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,080
me if I'm wrong, Brian. I believe that

2838
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:15,920
with our new sham transaction law that

2839
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:18,800
we've done that a parents could not buy

2840
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:22,400
the home and put their child in it. That

2841
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:24,560
they would need to have the home, the

2842
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:26,639
mortgage, all the things that we set out

2843
01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:29,040
in the child's name, which makes it a

2844
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:30,880
much more complicated situation. Is that

2845
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:34,629
correct?

2846
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:37,520
» But they put them on the title.

2847
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:39,440
Well, I'm trying to think this through

2848
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:41,360
back with with regard to councelor

2849
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:44,239
Whitlock's earlier question about ADUs

2850
01:58:44,239 --> 01:58:46,800
versus um

2851
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:50,800
uh versus this kind of issue because it

2852
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,679
would certainly pre our our ordinance

2853
01:58:53,679 --> 01:58:57,119
would certainly prevent parents from

2854
01:58:57,119 --> 01:59:00,960
buying a home and trans and then

2855
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:02,480
allowing their children to live there

2856
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:05,199
and then their children renting out an

2857
01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:07,440
ADU in the basement and qualifying for

2858
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:09,440
owner occupancy.

2859
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:12,719
The problem here is that the method by

2860
01:59:12,719 --> 01:59:15,119
which we that for this kind of thing

2861
01:59:15,119 --> 01:59:17,760
that we have devised in order to enforce

2862
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:21,760
owner occupancy is really prohibiting

2863
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,560
rental rather than actually enforcing

2864
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:28,719
owner occupancy. And so

2865
01:59:28,719 --> 01:59:30,080
that's that's where we're going to run

2866
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:32,080
into a conflict because the idea of a

2867
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:34,639
parent buying buying one of these and

2868
01:59:34,639 --> 01:59:36,960
giving it to their kids is not going to

2869
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:40,239
violate the no rental restriction. It's

2870
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:41,599
only going to violate the owner

2871
01:59:41,599 --> 01:59:43,599
occupancy restriction, which is the one

2872
01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:47,440
that is much more difficult to

2873
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:51,760
uh enforce. So I think it's I think it's

2874
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:54,400
feasible. I think that would require

2875
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:57,040
changes to

2876
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:59,280
uh the template that we've created to do

2877
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,440
this because we now have to account for

2878
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:03,119
enforcing two different things where we

2879
02:00:03,119 --> 02:00:04,880
were previously only trying to enforce

2880
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:08,870
one.

2881
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:10,639
Okay, that's what I need to nail down.

2882
02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:12,639
Like that's the reason I'd vote for this

2883
02:00:12,639 --> 02:00:14,719
is 100% because of that the homeowner

2884
02:00:14,719 --> 02:00:17,840
occupancy in perpetuity. And I need that

2885
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:21,280
nailed down that we know how do that and

2886
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:23,280
that it be successful and that the

2887
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:26,390
neighbor

2888
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:28,560
by our lack of enforcement and their

2889
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:31,119
fear of that. They have a fear

2890
02:00:31,119 --> 02:00:33,360
can't go into this with that being in

2891
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:40,629
question.

2892
02:00:40,639 --> 02:00:43,360
» Anything else councelor?

2893
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,440
Okay.

2894
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:47,840
Thank you, Katrice.

2895
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:50,239
Counselor Whipple.

2896
02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:52,320
>> Yeah, I think Katrice is hitting on a

2897
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:55,440
really good question there, and that is

2898
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:58,400
if a a parent buys it for their their

2899
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:01,440
college age student, then they shouldn't

2900
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:04,639
be able to also rent it to two other

2901
02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:07,520
students to get that three family. I

2902
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:08,960
suppose if they wanted to let two other

2903
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:11,599
students live with their child for free,

2904
02:01:11,599 --> 02:01:14,880
that would be legal. But if they're

2905
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:17,920
charging rent for, you know, their BFFs,

2906
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:20,639
then we have a problem. Is that right?

2907
02:01:20,639 --> 02:01:22,960
Is that what we were you're bringing up,

2908
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:24,960
Katrice?

2909
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:27,119
>> Yes. The whole benefit of having the

2910
02:01:27,119 --> 02:01:30,159
owner occupancy is the stability for the

2911
02:01:30,159 --> 02:01:32,560
neighborhood communities, churches,

2912
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:35,360
schools, but it's also in the pricing.

2913
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:36,880
When you keep investors out, when you

2914
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:39,360
keep California money out, the investors

2915
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:40,880
who have the money to throw, you know,

2916
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:42,159
hundreds of thousands down for their

2917
02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:44,320
kids to live,

2918
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:47,119
um, that's where the prices go up. The

2919
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:50,159
only going to keep prices down and

2920
02:01:50,159 --> 02:01:53,119
trulated by investors is to have this

2921
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:56,080
airtight.

2922
02:01:56,080 --> 02:01:58,960
>> Yeah, I would I would like to be able to

2923
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:00,719
explore that, Brian. It'll take a little

2924
02:02:00,719 --> 02:02:03,280
bit work on your your template to make

2925
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:06,639
that happen. Um, one other thing that I

2926
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:11,040
noted was, um, Jeb had asked earlier

2927
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:13,280
about the residential conservation zone

2928
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:16,880
being temporary. And the documentation I

2929
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:18,560
found for that was in the temp

2930
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:21,360
neighborhood plan where on page 14 it

2931
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:23,360
does say that the RC zone was intended

2932
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:26,480
to be temporary. Um, but it's been kind

2933
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:29,280
of difficult to actually reszone that

2934
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:32,560
area much like Waqin because you have

2935
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:35,679
such a diversity of uses and housing

2936
02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:39,119
types within it that if the zoning

2937
02:02:39,119 --> 02:02:41,920
reflected the actual uses of those

2938
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:45,760
properties, it would be a very bright

2939
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:47,920
patchwork quilt of many, many different

2940
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:51,760
things. Um, but it would help everyone

2941
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:54,719
to see what the actual uses are for

2942
02:02:54,719 --> 02:02:57,760
those properties. Um, but I think it's

2943
02:02:57,760 --> 02:03:00,000
important to to recognize for this

2944
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:02,639
neighborhood as well that the RC zone

2945
02:03:02,639 --> 02:03:04,639
was intended to be temporary for us to

2946
02:03:04,639 --> 02:03:09,679
catch our breath and to figure out what

2947
02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:13,599
type of development and structures we

2948
02:03:13,599 --> 02:03:17,040
want in here going forward. And I was

2949
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:20,719
looking again at the the walking plan

2950
02:03:20,719 --> 02:03:24,560
and it recommends, you know, creating

2951
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:28,159
this essentially a style guide for it.

2952
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:29,599
And I don't know that we've we've

2953
02:03:29,599 --> 02:03:33,199
necessarily done that. Um, and so those

2954
02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:38,000
were were the additional comments that I had. I I did want to thank my

2955
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:41,199
fellow counselors for like all of their

2956
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:43,760
thoughtful consideration on this too.

2957
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:45,679
This is a hard thing because the

2958
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:47,520
different competing values that we have

2959
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:50,159
are both really really good and really

2960
02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:53,750
important.

2961
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:57,990
» Thank you, Councelor Whipple.

2962
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:00,159
» I do I do want to apologize. There

2963
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:04,239
appears to be a online participant with

2964
02:04:04,239 --> 02:04:06,639
a hand raised and if your hand was

2965
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:09,199
raised during public comment, I

2966
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:13,430
apologize for missing that.

2967
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:17,669
Now we're ready for a motion.

2968
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:20,239
» Yeah. Um I guess my thought is I think

2969
02:04:20,239 --> 02:04:22,239
if we had to force a decision today, I

2970
02:04:22,239 --> 02:04:24,320
think there's some questions that some

2971
02:04:24,320 --> 02:04:26,480
council members have to that they want

2972
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:27,840
answered before they would be able to

2973
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:30,880
vote. Um so my motion would be that we

2974
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:33,520
continue this to give an opportunity to

2975
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:34,960
potentially come back with a different

2976
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:38,560
design that might be more amunable to

2977
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:44,719
people. um and um also explore the owner

2978
02:04:44,719 --> 02:04:47,520
occupancy and enforcability around that

2979
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:49,760
which is disappointing that we don't

2980
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:51,199
have it figured out because I kind of

2981
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:54,080
thought we had figured that out but um I

2982
02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:55,840
mean why are we talking about it today

2983
02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:57,679
if it's not even enforceable but in any

2984
02:04:57,679 --> 02:04:59,599
case and then potentially even looking

2985
02:04:59,599 --> 02:05:02,639
at the um

2986
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:06,000
residential uh conservation aspect of

2987
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,320
this so I'd make a motion that we delay

2988
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:10,400
this not indefinitely, but that we come

2989
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,880
back in well whenever we can get it on

2990
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:16,000
the schedule. My motion.

2991
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:18,080
>> I'd second that motion.

2992
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:20,560
>> We have a motion by councelor Hobin to

2993
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:23,199
continue the item to answer the

2994
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:24,719
questions that he has posed with a

2995
02:05:24,719 --> 02:05:27,760
second by councelor Whitlock. I'll call

2996
02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:28,800
for a vote.

2997
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:31,119
>> How about discussion?

2998
02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:33,599
>> Discussion on the substitute motion.

2999
02:05:33,599 --> 02:05:38,480
>> Um yeah. Yeah. I was just really quickly

3000
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:40,080
a lot of the comments that we've gotten

3001
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:42,480
recently have been about the design and

3002
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:44,159
not matching the historical character of

3003
02:05:44,159 --> 02:05:46,239
the neighborhood. And so I just wanted

3004
02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:50,639
to mention to the the developer um we

3005
02:05:50,639 --> 02:05:54,159
have really great architectural examples

3006
02:05:54,159 --> 02:06:00,159
like the the old Mer School um and some

3007
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:02,880
of our our buildings downtown.

3008
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:05,599
I think that there could be design

3009
02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:09,760
elements from those um you know early

3010
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:12,000
20th century buildings and late 19th

3011
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:15,599
century buildings that could be

3012
02:06:15,599 --> 02:06:20,560
the new skin for this project that would

3013
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:23,760
hit those design concerns for the

3014
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,560
neighborhood that wouldn't necessarily

3015
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:28,880
require a complete revision of the

3016
02:06:28,880 --> 02:06:32,079
entire the entire plan. That that was

3017
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:32,880
all I had for the [clears throat]

3018
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:35,520
discussion.

3019
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:37,440
>> My other Hold on.

3020
02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:38,800
>> Thank you, Rachel.

3021
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,280
>> My other uh discussion on the motion was

3022
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:44,560
just to make clear that we understood um

3023
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:46,880
at least from the city's side what

3024
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:50,000
questions we had for Brian. Feel pretty

3025
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:52,480
good about that.

3026
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:56,000
>> Yes. Great.

3027
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:58,800
>> Any other discussion?

3028
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:00,719
Okay. Now I'll call call for a vote.

3029
02:07:00,719 --> 02:07:01,280
Council,

3030
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:02,560
>> excuse me, Gary. Gary, hold on.

3031
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:03,760
>> Councelor Christensen.

3032
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:08,239
>> Um, I I could certainly see the value in

3033
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:10,560
um continuing this. It sounds like

3034
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:12,960
there's been a great deal of flexibility

3035
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:16,239
on the developer's part. I would love to

3036
02:07:16,239 --> 02:07:20,000
see the developer and the neighborhood

3037
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:22,880
um come together with with something

3038
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:24,880
that that both of them felt like could

3039
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:28,079
work. So, to me, it's not just the skin,

3040
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:30,719
it's the it's also the the density. the

3041
02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:32,639
parking. It's I mean it's the whole it's

3042
02:07:32,639 --> 02:07:36,800
the whole thing. So, um if we were if we

3043
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:38,400
were working towards something like

3044
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:41,199
that, uh I would I would be in favor of

3045
02:07:41,199 --> 02:07:43,520
continuing.

3046
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:44,880
>> Thank you, Councelor Christensen.

3047
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:45,840
Councelor Hovind.

3048
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:48,079
>> Yeah, I guess I clarify that too that

3049
02:07:48,079 --> 02:07:49,760
you know your job between now and the

3050
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:50,880
next meeting would figure out how to

3051
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:52,400
make this work for the council members

3052
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:55,360
and the consideration that they take

3053
02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:57,679
give to the neighborhood plan and and

3054
02:07:57,679 --> 02:07:59,360
feedback from the neighborhood and such.

3055
02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:01,280
So you just reiterate what Craig's

3056
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:02,239
saying.

3057
02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:04,719
>> Thank you.

3058
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:06,320
I'll call for a vote. Councelor

3059
02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:08,639
Christensen,

3060
02:08:08,639 --> 02:08:10,639
>> yes.

3061
02:08:10,639 --> 02:08:12,320
>> Councelor Whitlock,

3062
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:12,800
>> yes.

3063
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:14,000
>> Councelor Boggen,

3064
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:14,639
>> yes.

3065
02:08:14,639 --> 02:08:15,760
>> Councelor Hoben,

3066
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:16,159
>> yes.

3067
02:08:16,159 --> 02:08:17,840
>> Councelor Whipple,

3068
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:18,719
>> yes.

3069
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:22,800
>> Councelor Garrett, yes. Councelor McCay,

3070
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:25,840
>> yes. So, that motion passes by a vote of

3071
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:29,520
70 to continue the item uh in hopes that

3072
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:32,480
there could be more

3073
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:34,800
neighborhood unonymity.

3074
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:38,719
Thank you. Thank you, Taran.

3075
02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:41,119
And thanks to all of you who came to

3076
02:08:41,119 --> 02:08:44,320
share your um support and comments with

3077
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:51,043
us.

3078
02:08:51,053 --> 02:08:51,920
[clears throat]

3079
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:54,079
Next, we we're going to move to item

3080
02:08:54,079 --> 02:08:57,440
nine. We're going to skip items seven

3081
02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:00,560
and eight for now because item nine

3082
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:03,199
really has a bearing on uh on how we

3083
02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:06,320
treat seven and eight. I'll read in item

3084
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:09,119
nine. [clears throat]

3085
02:09:09,119 --> 02:09:11,520
a resolution approving an interlocal

3086
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,719
cooperation agreement between Provo City

3087
02:09:14,719 --> 02:09:17,199
and Springville City to share net

3088
02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:22,000
benefits from the Springville Rising development. This

3089
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,920
will be presented by our economic

3090
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:26,000
development division director, Cody

3091
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:29,119
Hill. Cody, welcome.

3092
02:09:29,119 --> 02:09:30,800
>> Thank you, Councilman Garrett, and thank

3093
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:32,960
you, city council members. Really

3094
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:35,199
appreciate uh the opportunity to present

3095
02:09:35,199 --> 02:09:38,480
this item. Um, as mentioned in the work

3096
02:09:38,480 --> 02:09:40,079
session, I think this is a really great

3097
02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:42,960
opportunity for cities to two cities to

3098
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:45,440
work together. A lot of the time you see

3099
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:48,320
development come and have cities play

3100
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:50,000
off each other and say who can offer me

3101
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:51,760
the best benefits, who can offer me the

3102
02:09:51,760 --> 02:09:54,400
tax breaks and I'll make my decision on

3103
02:09:54,400 --> 02:09:55,920
who, you know, where I'm going to get

3104
02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:57,840
the sweetest deal. And I really like to

3105
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:00,239
see Clyde Company approach Springville

3106
02:10:00,239 --> 02:10:02,639
and Provo and say, "Hey, we have a

3107
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:05,119
development that is Provo on your

3108
02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:08,719
southeast border and Springville on your

3109
02:10:08,719 --> 02:10:11,360
north border and we'd love to to see a

3110
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:13,199
development here that have that benefits

3111
02:10:13,199 --> 02:10:16,239
everyone equally." Um, so a little bit

3112
02:10:16,239 --> 02:10:17,920
about the background of this

3113
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:19,520
development. It's, like I said, it's in

3114
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:20,960
southeast Provo, right on the border

3115
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:26,159
with Springville. And it contains um a

3116
02:10:26,159 --> 02:10:28,079
mix of residential and commercial. The

3117
02:10:28,079 --> 02:10:30,960
majority of the commercial uh retail and

3118
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:34,639
office is in Springville with all of the

3119
02:10:34,639 --> 02:10:37,199
uh residential being located in Provo.

3120
02:10:37,199 --> 02:10:40,560
And it's about 35% condos. Um and then

3121
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:42,960
the rest are town homes. So 65 units for

3122
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:45,760
town homes and 90 units uh for condos.

3123
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:47,840
and then a little bit like 10,000 about

3124
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:51,199
10,000 square feet of retail for the

3125
02:10:51,199 --> 02:10:53,840
Provo side. And we've been working with

3126
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:56,719
the city manager and and the city

3127
02:10:56,719 --> 02:10:59,360
manager over there uh Troy Fitzgerald in

3128
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:00,800
Springville City has been working with

3129
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:03,360
me and his council to to figure out an

3130
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:05,040
interlocal agreement whereby we can

3131
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:07,280
share uh net benefits from this

3132
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:10,079
development. And so um we discussed

3133
02:11:10,079 --> 02:11:12,320
terms of this development in the work

3134
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:15,360
session. um some of the terms that that

3135
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:17,599
we would probably want to to reconsider

3136
02:11:17,599 --> 02:11:19,760
and amend. And I've spoken with Brian

3137
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:22,000
Jones who has a couple of amendments

3138
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:25,520
already to that agreement um ready to to

3139
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:29,280
go um with amended uh motion from from

3140
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:32,239
you. And so I'm happy to discuss any uh

3141
02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:34,400
questions that you may have or if if you

3142
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:36,400
want to refer to to Brian on those

3143
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:38,480
amendments as well.

3144
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:43,430
>> Any questions for Cody?

3145
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:48,000
Council. Okay. All right. Okay. Um

3146
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:49,599
Brian, let's turn to you then.

3147
02:11:49,599 --> 02:11:51,840
>> Yes, please. Thank you. Uh councelor

3148
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:54,800
Garrett. Um Kevin, can you put that uh

3149
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:57,040
red line up and we'll just show them the

3150
02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:59,440
two changes. So, there were essentially

3151
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:02,480
three issues as my understanding

3152
02:12:02,480 --> 02:12:04,159
discussed in the work session. I've made

3153
02:12:04,159 --> 02:12:06,320
edits to two of them that I think

3154
02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:08,239
address the concerns. Then the third one

3155
02:12:08,239 --> 02:12:11,920
is the one that would require some more

3156
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:13,599
time. And so it's really a question of

3157
02:12:13,599 --> 02:12:15,599
how you feel about that one. But Kevin,

3158
02:12:15,599 --> 02:12:17,520
if you scroll down, keep going. This is

3159
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:19,119
the introductory document. Okay. The

3160
02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:22,000
exhibit is the agreement. And then right

3161
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:25,679
there in paragraph 2B,

3162
02:12:25,679 --> 02:12:29,520
I proposed changing the end date to 207

3163
02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:31,760
instead of 2042. So that would make it a

3164
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:33,920
30-year agreement instead of a 15-year

3165
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:37,199
agreement. I did confirm that state law

3166
02:12:37,199 --> 02:12:38,880
prohibits interlocals from being more

3167
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:41,760
than 50 years. So that's the outside

3168
02:12:41,760 --> 02:12:43,520
max, but based on some of the comments

3169
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:45,679
in the meeting, I propose changing it to

3170
02:12:45,679 --> 02:12:47,520
30. We can obviously change it to

3171
02:12:47,520 --> 02:12:49,119
whatever number up to 50 that you'd

3172
02:12:49,119 --> 02:12:52,159
like. And then down in section four,

3173
02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:55,520
Kevin, can you turn on uh all changes so

3174
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:59,280
you can so we can see the red line

3175
02:12:59,280 --> 02:13:01,199
the

3176
02:13:01,199 --> 02:13:03,040
up up the left where it says simple

3177
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:04,560
markup. if you'll change that to all

3178
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:07,360
markup. There we go. Thank you. So down

3179
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:09,920
there in section four for the we talked

3180
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:12,560
what the one of the concerns I had was

3181
02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:15,040
that the trigger required 90% of both

3182
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:17,440
sides of the project to be built out and

3183
02:13:17,440 --> 02:13:18,719
you know I I said that you know the

3184
02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:21,760
nightmare scenario is they build 85% of

3185
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:24,000
the residential and we have 85% of the

3186
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:25,679
cost but we never trigger the revenue

3187
02:13:25,679 --> 02:13:28,880
sharing. So based on the email that Cody

3188
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:30,800
had exchanged with the Springville city

3189
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:33,520
manager, I propose changing this to it

3190
02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:35,920
goes into effect as soon as a

3191
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:37,599
certificate of occupancy has been issued

3192
02:13:37,599 --> 02:13:39,520
for at least one building within Provo

3193
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:41,679
City and one in Springville City. So as

3194
02:13:41,679 --> 02:13:43,040
soon as there's one building on each

3195
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:45,119
side, we go ahead and start. And based

3196
02:13:45,119 --> 02:13:46,639
on the email from the Springville city

3197
02:13:46,639 --> 02:13:48,480
manager, I I believe that that would be

3198
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:50,560
acceptable to them. So I think that's a

3199
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:51,840
much better trigger than the one

3200
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:54,400
originally. So the one thing that was

3201
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:56,079
the one comment from work session that

3202
02:13:56,079 --> 02:13:58,880
none of this addresses is whether or not

3203
02:13:58,880 --> 02:14:01,679
you're comfortable with the calculation

3204
02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:05,119
of what our costs are. Um and so there

3205
02:14:05,119 --> 02:14:07,840
was a lot of discussion about that. This

3206
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:10,320
version of the agreement just focuses on

3207
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:13,360
public safety costs. There were various

3208
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:15,360
comments in the meeting about whether

3209
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:17,520
there really were other costs or not and

3210
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:20,800
how much they would be. So that's just

3211
02:14:20,800 --> 02:14:22,560
an open question for you. I think this

3212
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:24,639
addresses two of your concerns and if

3213
02:14:24,639 --> 02:14:25,840
those two concerns are the most

3214
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:27,520
important, it's it's would be feasible

3215
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:30,079
to make an a motion to accept these

3216
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:32,480
changes and approve it tonight. Uh which

3217
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:34,320
as Cody said, I think puts us in a

3218
02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:35,760
pretty good position with Springville

3219
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:36,800
because we're actually sending them

3220
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:39,119
back. It's kind of like a purchase

3221
02:14:39,119 --> 02:14:40,480
agreement where we're sending them back

3222
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:42,079
and a counter offer that we've already

3223
02:14:42,079 --> 02:14:44,719
approved. They just need to accept it as

3224
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:47,040
opposed to kind of continuing back and

3225
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:49,599
forth. But the other question about the

3226
02:14:49,599 --> 02:14:52,400
cost uh calculation is something that

3227
02:14:52,400 --> 02:14:53,840
you'd have to decide whether you were

3228
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:58,709
comfortable with or not.

3229
02:14:58,719 --> 02:15:01,520
» Great. Thank you, Brian.

3230
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:07,350
Questions for Brian?

3231
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:09,599
All right. Thank you, Brian. Thank you,

3232
02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:11,840
Cody. We'll open this item for public

3233
02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:14,000
comment if there are any here who would

3234
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:15,920
like to speak. And this is for now it's

3235
02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:17,520
just the interlocal agreement between

3236
02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:20,639
the two cities.

3237
02:15:20,639 --> 02:15:22,800
>> I'm Angie Carter and the neighborhood

3238
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:24,639
district chair for the east neighborhood

3239
02:15:24,639 --> 02:15:27,840
district. We discussed this at our

3240
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:31,119
meeting last week, this project. Um and

3241
02:15:31,119 --> 02:15:32,480
things did come up related to the

3242
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:34,400
interlocal agreement that I think would

3243
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:37,280
be interesting. Um some of the things

3244
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:38,639
that came up that I don't see in this

3245
02:15:38,639 --> 02:15:41,360
agreement are infrastructure costs. um

3246
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:44,159
things like water, sewer, um those kinds

3247
02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:45,599
of things that would need to be built

3248
02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:47,199
out if that's not included in here.

3249
02:15:47,199 --> 02:15:49,119
Those are going to be some of our costs.

3250
02:15:49,119 --> 02:15:50,800
Also, there's going to be costs for

3251
02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:55,280
schools. So, um these are

3252
02:15:55,280 --> 02:15:58,079
going to be home owner occupied most of

3253
02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:00,880
these and we will have children that are

3254
02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:02,800
going to school here. So, we need to be

3255
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:04,560
thinking about what does that mean?

3256
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:06,960
will, you know, right now probably

3257
02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:10,079
trying to decide if they're going to,

3258
02:16:10,079 --> 02:16:12,480
you know, close some schools, but if we

3259
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:14,159
get more students, then there could be

3260
02:16:14,159 --> 02:16:16,880
the possibility of having to increase

3261
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:20,239
the amount of schools that are or the

3262
02:16:20,239 --> 02:16:23,440
capacity of schools around them. Um, not

3263
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:25,920
sure. um you probably need to talk to

3264
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:28,079
the school board maybe Jennifer

3265
02:16:28,079 --> 02:16:29,840
Partridge for in census in this

3266
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:32,880
neighborhood and find out um what the

3267
02:16:32,880 --> 02:16:36,000
capacity is at Provost Pro Peaks and

3268
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:38,399
Spring Creek that are elementary schools

3269
02:16:38,399 --> 02:16:40,800
in that area. um there are no middle

3270
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:42,880
schools or high school in that area and

3271
02:16:42,880 --> 02:16:44,240
so everyone's saying it need to be

3272
02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:46,880
busted which then puts infrastructure

3273
02:16:46,880 --> 02:16:49,280
road issues on what you're dealing with

3274
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:51,359
and then you have interchanges in terms

3275
02:16:51,359 --> 02:16:55,200
of roads in terms of

3276
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:58,559
the businesses that will be there um it

3277
02:16:58,559 --> 02:17:00,639
splits there so some of that would be

3278
02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:02,800
springville's cost but up on State

3279
02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:05,359
Street I guess that's UD do so but

3280
02:17:05,359 --> 02:17:06,719
somebody's going to have to build better

3281
02:17:06,719 --> 02:17:10,719
roads there for this um And then you

3282
02:17:10,719 --> 02:17:12,319
know we're talking about property tax

3283
02:17:12,319 --> 02:17:14,639
but what about sales tax sharing? I

3284
02:17:14,639 --> 02:17:15,840
haven't read the whole interlocal

3285
02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:18,240
agreement but is that included there?

3286
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:21,920
And have you defined what a net benefit

3287
02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:24,800
is? What does that even mean in terms of

3288
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:28,559
this agreement? Um how do you calculate

3289
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:30,240
each other's costs and how do you

3290
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:33,359
calculate you know what the revenue is

3291
02:17:33,359 --> 02:17:36,240
and who's getting what and making sure

3292
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:38,080
that we're both being honest with each

3293
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:39,359
other. Thank you.

3294
02:17:39,359 --> 02:17:41,679
>> You're welcome. Thank you, Angie.

3295
02:17:41,679 --> 02:17:49,429
Others.

3296
02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:52,080
I'm Lynn Sorenson, Pleasant View

3297
02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:55,200
neighborhood and I was born in Cedric,

3298
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:57,975
Kansas. [clears throat]

3299
02:17:57,985 --> 02:17:59,760
» [cough]

3300
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:02,719
>> I'm concerned about what seems to be a

3301
02:18:02,719 --> 02:18:05,280
trivial matter, but I used to write

3302
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:09,200
headlines for the Arizona Republic.

3303
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:13,519
And naming is very important. I am not

3304
02:18:13,519 --> 02:18:16,160
pleased that this development, whether

3305
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:17,920
it goes through or not, is called

3306
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:20,639
Springville Rising. That leaves Provo

3307
02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:23,200
out of it altogether. So, I would like

3308
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:25,519
very much for someone to come up with

3309
02:18:25,519 --> 02:18:28,800
something so that it doesn't stick

3310
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:31,120
forever. So, if you want to remember

3311
02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:33,519
things that have stuck forever,

3312
02:18:33,519 --> 02:18:37,519
Watergate, Obamacare, Summer of Love,

3313
02:18:37,519 --> 02:18:40,960
whatever, once it gets going, there's no

3314
02:18:40,960 --> 02:18:43,679
getting around it. Now, obviously, some

3315
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:46,319
places have solved this problem. Twin

3316
02:18:46,319 --> 02:18:49,599
Cities, Minneapolis, St. Paul, it's Twin

3317
02:18:49,599 --> 02:18:50,880
Cities.

3318
02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:54,000
uh Dallas Fort Worth using both names.

3319
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:56,719
There's got to be a way that this cannot

3320
02:18:56,719 --> 02:18:59,599
seem like it is solely

3321
02:18:59,599 --> 02:19:02,559
belonging to uh Springville,

3322
02:19:02,559 --> 02:19:04,080
notwithstanding that they're getting all

3323
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:06,399
that tax tax revenue. I mean, I have

3324
02:19:06,399 --> 02:19:08,880
concerns in many ways, but at this

3325
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:11,760
stage, I really think we need to be

3326
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:14,800
submitting to the the people who are

3327
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:17,120
putting this together some form of a

3328
02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:20,160
name. I don't know if that's proville or

3329
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:21,840
you know what it might be, but there's

3330
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:24,319
got to be something. Please consider

3331
02:19:24,319 --> 02:19:25,760
that. Thank you.

3332
02:19:25,760 --> 02:19:29,589
>> Thank you, Lynn.

3333
02:19:29,599 --> 02:19:32,319
Anyone else?

3334
02:19:32,319 --> 02:19:34,479
If not, we'll close public comment and

3335
02:19:34,479 --> 02:19:35,920
bring the item to council for

3336
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:37,439
discussion.

3337
02:19:37,439 --> 02:19:40,240
Councelor Whitlock.

3338
02:19:40,240 --> 02:19:43,200
>> Yeah. So, I appreciate those comments

3339
02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:46,719
particularly from Angie. Um just to

3340
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:48,319
answer that question about net benefit

3341
02:19:48,319 --> 02:19:49,439
for those who are interested.

3342
02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:51,120
Essentially the way the formula works is

3343
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:53,760
it's the revenue which is a function of

3344
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:57,040
sales tax and property tax minus public

3345
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:59,840
safety costs and that's the net benefit.

3346
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:02,720
And then essentially uh whoever has the

3347
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:04,960
highest higher net benefit then pays a

3348
02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:08,640
50/50 split of the delta. And that's how

3349
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:10,800
it would work.

3350
02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:13,920
So to answer your question, I still have

3351
02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:15,439
the concerns I expressed in the work

3352
02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:17,840
meeting. I think

3353
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:19,920
again I'm a little less strong on the on

3354
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:20,960
that opin I don't know if Director

3355
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:23,040
Pebborn is here. A little less strong on

3356
02:20:23,040 --> 02:20:24,640
that opinion given the fact that we

3357
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:26,640
don't have as many roads as I assumed,

3358
02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:28,800
but there still are pretty large cost

3359
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:31,359
categories that we'd be responsible for

3360
02:20:31,359 --> 02:20:33,520
that would not be accounted for in this

3361
02:20:33,520 --> 02:20:35,439
formula.

3362
02:20:35,439 --> 02:20:37,439
Uh, I mean I I we'd have to get more of

3363
02:20:37,439 --> 02:20:42,399
the details, but sewer, storm water, um,

3364
02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:44,960
parks and wreck,

3365
02:20:44,960 --> 02:20:47,280
sanitation. I the thing is I don't think

3366
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:49,680
like our sanitation costs fully cover

3367
02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:51,760
our not fully covered by the fees. I

3368
02:20:51,760 --> 02:20:53,600
think they're partially

3369
02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:56,640
covered by taxes, right? So anyway, I

3370
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:58,560
but but again, you guys could push back.

3371
02:20:58,560 --> 02:20:59,920
I just I'd like to understand that

3372
02:20:59,920 --> 02:21:02,720
better.

3373
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:04,640
My understanding of how the way a like a

3374
02:21:04,640 --> 02:21:07,120
suburban suburban works is the street

3375
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:08,880
and sidewalks maintenance is only just a

3376
02:21:08,880 --> 02:21:11,439
part of the overall set of services

3377
02:21:11,439 --> 02:21:16,870
you're getting from the city.

3378
02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:19,680
» Yeah, please respond. Yeah.

3379
02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:21,280
>> Yeah. So, you are correct. Not every

3380
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:23,359
single cost is covered. It's just public

3381
02:21:23,359 --> 02:21:25,200
safety. The logic behind that is just

3382
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:26,800
because public safety takes up the

3383
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:28,479
majority. If you were to look at all of

3384
02:21:28,479 --> 02:21:30,800
the services that a city provides,

3385
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:33,040
public service takes up the largest um

3386
02:21:33,040 --> 02:21:34,640
percentage of a city's budget

3387
02:21:34,640 --> 02:21:37,040
expenditures. Um and they're not covered

3388
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:40,720
by any type of um um you know additional

3389
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:42,720
fee. The more fire, the more police you

3390
02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:44,240
use, the more you would be charged. That

3391
02:21:44,240 --> 02:21:45,760
doesn't exist. Whereas, you know, it

3392
02:21:45,760 --> 02:21:48,080
exists in other um utilities where we

3393
02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:49,520
have enterprise funds that help cover

3394
02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:52,399
the costs for additional uses for it. Um

3395
02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:54,960
I'm sympathetic. parks and recreation.

3396
02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:56,960
There's going to be um a lot of homes

3397
02:21:56,960 --> 02:21:58,319
here, a lot of kids. They're going to be

3398
02:21:58,319 --> 02:22:00,160
use using parks and recreation

3399
02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:02,560
resources. Um and those costs are not

3400
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:04,319
covered in this agreement like you said.

3401
02:22:04,319 --> 02:22:06,560
Um and so the question is just how how

3402
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:09,760
granular do do we want to get in in

3403
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:13,520
encapsulating all the costs that are going to be borne um by the

3404
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:15,920
city from this proposal from this uh

3405
02:22:15,920 --> 02:22:18,160
proposed development um that are not

3406
02:22:18,160 --> 02:22:21,439
covered um by additional fees um like

3407
02:22:21,439 --> 02:22:24,080
utilities or by the the public safety

3408
02:22:24,080 --> 02:22:25,920
consideration of the equation. I mean if

3409
02:22:25,920 --> 02:22:28,640
there's one one theme that I picked up

3410
02:22:28,640 --> 02:22:31,120
from my first budget cycle it's that we

3411
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:32,880
have a huge maintenance backlog. I mean,

3412
02:22:32,880 --> 02:22:34,800
we just heard it today. How many million

3413
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:37,760
dollars of sidewalk ADA backlog? We have

3414
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:39,760
this massive maintenance backlog that's

3415
02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:43,439
not covered by the taxes we collect from

3416
02:22:43,439 --> 02:22:46,000
our single family home residences and

3417
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:48,240
essentially the way that we water,

3418
02:22:48,240 --> 02:22:49,600
right? We we're having to raise our

3419
02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:51,680
water rates because we have this huge

3420
02:22:51,680 --> 02:22:56,160
deferred maintenance backlog. And so all those so I hear what you're saying

3421
02:22:56,160 --> 02:22:57,359
when you're saying that like on a

3422
02:22:57,359 --> 02:22:59,920
marginal cost basis safety maybe is the

3423
02:22:59,920 --> 02:23:02,319
easiest to calculate because it's like a

3424
02:23:02,319 --> 02:23:04,240
you're using a per call assumption. What

3425
02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:06,479
I'm saying is we're taking on a bunch of

3426
02:23:06,479 --> 02:23:09,520
long-term maintenance liabilities that

3427
02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:11,280
are maybe harder to calculate on a

3428
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:12,880
marginal cost basis but nonetheless will

3429
02:23:12,880 --> 02:23:14,399
be real. Whereas I feel like when you

3430
02:23:14,399 --> 02:23:16,800
look at the development what is it 60%

3431
02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:19,520
of it is on the Provo side, 40% on the

3432
02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:21,920
roughly on the Springfield side. they're

3433
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:23,760
taking on a lot less infrastructure and

3434
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:25,920
then getting the majority of the tax

3435
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:28,399
revenue benefits because of sales tax,

3436
02:23:28,399 --> 02:23:28,720
>> right?

3437
02:23:28,720 --> 02:23:30,000
>> And the way that this agreement is

3438
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:31,120
structured, like I said, is if it's a

3439
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:32,800
low sales tax year, you could imagine a

3440
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:34,000
world where we're actually slightly

3441
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:35,359
ahead on net benefit and then we end up

3442
02:23:35,359 --> 02:23:36,800
paying to them.

3443
02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:38,399
>> So that's my fundamental concern with

3444
02:23:38,399 --> 02:23:39,120
the structure.

3445
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:40,640
>> Yeah. And I'm not opposed to that. If we

3446
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:43,174
want to add transportation maintenance

3447
02:23:43,174 --> 02:23:44,880
[clears throat] and and parks and wreck

3448
02:23:44,880 --> 02:23:47,120
costs to to the equation, I'm I'm

3449
02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:49,040
totally fine with that. And then I think

3450
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:50,640
one thing that hasn't been said but I

3451
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:53,280
think it's important is the additional

3452
02:23:53,280 --> 02:23:54,880
revenues that we receive that are in

3453
02:23:54,880 --> 02:23:56,479
that equation are just property tax and

3454
02:23:56,479 --> 02:23:59,120
sales tax. So impact fees which which

3455
02:23:59,120 --> 02:24:00,800
are used to cover uh future

3456
02:24:00,800 --> 02:24:02,720
infrastructure projects are are not

3457
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:04,880
considered in that. So any impact fees

3458
02:24:04,880 --> 02:24:06,960
that that Clyde pays to Provo that just

3459
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:08,640
goes into our impact fee funds to

3460
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:09,680
support [clears throat] facilities

3461
02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:10,479
future facilities.

3462
02:24:10,479 --> 02:24:12,160
>> And that that's fair. Yeah.

3463
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:13,840
>> In fact, Councelor Whitlock, if you

3464
02:24:13,840 --> 02:24:15,280
don't if you don't mind if I piggyback

3465
02:24:15,280 --> 02:24:17,680
on that. Again, not opposed to anything

3466
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:20,399
you're saying. I do think the one

3467
02:24:20,399 --> 02:24:21,840
caution I would say is I think we need

3468
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:24,640
to be really careful that we don't

3469
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:28,640
include any costs that impact fees

3470
02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:30,640
should be going for because I think it

3471
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:33,760
will undermine our impact fee study and

3472
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:35,920
actually subject because we would then

3473
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:38,399
be getting money against impact fees

3474
02:24:38,399 --> 02:24:40,319
that were presume that the study is

3475
02:24:40,319 --> 02:24:42,880
based on us not getting. So to the

3476
02:24:42,880 --> 02:24:44,479
extent that I really like that you were

3477
02:24:44,479 --> 02:24:45,840
focusing in on future maintenance

3478
02:24:45,840 --> 02:24:48,160
because I think that that is something

3479
02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:52,319
that that isn't accounted for. Uh but in

3480
02:24:52,319 --> 02:24:53,760
you know you're talking we've talked

3481
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:56,640
about sewer and infrastructure inside

3482
02:24:56,640 --> 02:24:58,240
the development the developer themselves

3483
02:24:58,240 --> 02:24:59,920
will be paying for that. So the city's

3484
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:03,359
only paying for things to connect it

3485
02:25:03,359 --> 02:25:06,160
that would not otherwise be required

3486
02:25:06,160 --> 02:25:07,840
without it. Right? And that's a lot of

3487
02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:10,240
what many times the impact fees are

3488
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:11,920
going for. Uh, same with parks and

3489
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:13,760
wreck. A lot that we've got a parks and

3490
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:17,200
wreck impact fee. So again, maintenance

3491
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:20,240
I I totally get. Anything else we just

3492
02:25:20,240 --> 02:25:21,600
need to be really careful that we're not

3493
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:24,000
doing something we're not incorporating

3494
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:26,000
a cost that impact fees are supposed to

3495
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:28,319
be going to.

3496
02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:33,110
>> So purely focused on maintenance.

3497
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:35,920
Jeeoff, I'm not as worried because our

3498
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:39,359
sales tax, our sales tax, our property

3499
02:25:39,359 --> 02:25:42,080
tax, we haven't really raised it. It's

3500
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:45,040
because we do get that what is it 12%

3501
02:25:45,040 --> 02:25:47,840
now return on utilities back to the

3502
02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:49,520
general fund.

3503
02:25:49,520 --> 02:25:50,000
>> So,

3504
02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:51,359
>> for power,

3505
02:25:51,359 --> 02:25:54,160
>> power, sewer, water, garbage,

3506
02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:58,000
>> all of it comes back. So, I'm not as

3507
02:25:58,000 --> 02:25:59,439
concerned about that because it seems

3508
02:25:59,439 --> 02:26:00,960
like that's going to be protected with

3509
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:02,800
the housing.

3510
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:04,319
Um,

3511
02:26:04,319 --> 02:26:07,280
but to Angie's point about the schools,

3512
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:08,720
we did talk about the schools and the

3513
02:26:08,720 --> 02:26:12,000
mayor had a very good perspective on

3514
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:14,240
that and we can't negotiate for the

3515
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:16,160
schools. If the school district needs to

3516
02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:17,840
negotiate with Nebo School District,

3517
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:19,359
then the school district needs to take

3518
02:26:19,359 --> 02:26:22,720
that on. we can negotiate for Provo City

3519
02:26:22,720 --> 02:26:26,960
and again Springville City. Um it is sad

3520
02:26:26,960 --> 02:26:28,720
to say, but Jennifer's if that's what

3521
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:30,000
Jennifer's worried about, she's going to

3522
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:31,680
have to reach out to Nebo and have some

3523
02:26:31,680 --> 02:26:33,120
kind of agreement or something like we

3524
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:36,479
have ours. But the mayor can before I

3525
02:26:36,479 --> 02:26:38,160
get to the mayor and let her address

3526
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:41,990
that comment. Gordon,

3527
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:44,720
we did ask in work meeting about the

3528
02:26:44,720 --> 02:26:47,760
utilities. Are we providing water,

3529
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:49,280
sewer,

3530
02:26:49,280 --> 02:26:52,080
um, storm water and electricity to this

3531
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:53,359
development?

3532
02:26:53,359 --> 02:26:55,040
>> Yes, excuse me. [clears throat] Yes. And

3533
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:57,280
so I did hear about that the question.

3534
02:26:57,280 --> 02:27:00,479
So we in this development, the

3535
02:27:00,479 --> 02:27:02,080
developers putting all the new

3536
02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:04,000
infrastructure. So there's no actual

3537
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:06,880
dollars the city is putting in this.

3538
02:27:06,880 --> 02:27:08,800
They're also doing a lot of improvements

3539
02:27:08,800 --> 02:27:12,479
on uh center or state street for U DOT.

3540
02:27:12,479 --> 02:27:14,720
So they're required to put sidewalk

3541
02:27:14,720 --> 02:27:16,880
along the curb and gutter and really

3542
02:27:16,880 --> 02:27:19,040
make that a lot more with with the trail

3543
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:21,760
along there as well. So they're also

3544
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:24,160
building part of the Spring Creek trail

3545
02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:25,920
that we don't have to build. So those

3546
02:27:25,920 --> 02:27:28,160
are all things that are coming in. The

3547
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:30,080
maintenance is an issue. A lot of their

3548
02:27:30,080 --> 02:27:32,640
roads are

3549
02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:35,680
private, so that won't be a significant

3550
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:39,359
issue for storm wa for water storm water

3551
02:27:39,359 --> 02:27:41,040
transportation. We collect the normal

3552
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:42,640
fees that we'd collect from all the

3553
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:46,880
residents. Uh with uh road we also get

3554
02:27:46,880 --> 02:27:50,000
CDBG is I think based upon linear roads

3555
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:54,160
and population base. So those will

3556
02:27:54,160 --> 02:27:56,960
then incrementally increase through some

3557
02:27:56,960 --> 02:27:59,120
process that the state organizes.

3558
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:02,240
>> Is this still CDBG?

3559
02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:06,800
So the CDBG funds uh are based upon

3560
02:28:06,800 --> 02:28:10,000
this it's a gasoline tax other taxes but

3561
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:12,640
the state distributes it based on your

3562
02:28:12,640 --> 02:28:14,399
population in a formula that's your

3563
02:28:14,399 --> 02:28:17,200
population and road miles. So as you

3564
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:18,880
increase your population and road miles

3565
02:28:18,880 --> 02:28:21,200
then you get additional funding. I just

3566
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:22,960
>> are we talking community development

3567
02:28:22,960 --> 02:28:23,680
block grants?

3568
02:28:23,680 --> 02:28:26,960
>> No CDBG or excuse me I did say CDBG. I

3569
02:28:26,960 --> 02:28:28,319
meant BNC road funds.

3570
02:28:28,319 --> 02:28:30,240
>> Oh B and C. Okay. too many alphabet

3571
02:28:30,240 --> 02:28:32,080
letters this late at night.

3572
02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:36,469
>> All right, I'll let the mayor adjust.

3573
02:28:36,479 --> 02:28:39,680
Is that okay? So, what I brought up was

3574
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:42,080
that when we talk about and it's not

3575
02:28:42,080 --> 02:28:43,439
with you, but

3576
02:28:43,439 --> 02:28:45,840
>> um when we talk about the schools, um I

3577
02:28:45,840 --> 02:28:47,280
don't want to put words in their mouth,

3578
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:50,399
but they the way that they get funds

3579
02:28:50,399 --> 02:28:52,080
from the city is through property tax.

3580
02:28:52,080 --> 02:28:55,120
So, any improvement to property does

3581
02:28:55,120 --> 02:28:57,680
give them more revenue. They do worry

3582
02:28:57,680 --> 02:29:01,200
and have uh sometimes have concerns if

3583
02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:02,720
there's going to be a tax increment

3584
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:05,840
financing scheme because then that can't

3585
02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:07,760
that takes away from especially if it's

3586
02:29:07,760 --> 02:29:09,600
housing because that takes away from

3587
02:29:09,600 --> 02:29:11,200
what they would be getting to cover the

3588
02:29:11,200 --> 02:29:12,640
cost of those extra students that might

3589
02:29:12,640 --> 02:29:16,960
go in. However, um when there are just

3590
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:18,880
new students that come to an area, a

3591
02:29:18,880 --> 02:29:20,800
housing subdivision that comes to an

3592
02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:24,080
area that has students, those costs are

3593
02:29:24,080 --> 02:29:26,479
covered by the weighted people unit. and

3594
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:29,120
um mechanism at the state, right? Plus,

3595
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:30,720
they get that increased property tax

3596
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:32,960
increment or that increased well, it is

3597
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:33,840
an increment, but they get that

3598
02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:36,960
increased property tax um revenue. And

3599
02:29:36,960 --> 02:29:40,160
so, it's actually good for the schools

3600
02:29:40,160 --> 02:29:42,479
to have students move in, especially

3601
02:29:42,479 --> 02:29:44,399
where we are decreasing in students and

3602
02:29:44,399 --> 02:29:47,120
they are losing that funding. Concerning

3603
02:29:47,120 --> 02:29:50,000
busing, if it's more than um Oh, I'm I'm

3604
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:51,120
going to get it wrong, but if it's more

3605
02:29:51,120 --> 02:29:53,920
than a certain distance, that's usually

3606
02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:56,880
covered by the state, but I can't that's

3607
02:29:56,880 --> 02:29:58,560
back when I was on the school board. I

3608
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:00,319
don't want to speak for them at all, but

3609
02:30:00,319 --> 02:30:02,160
that's kind of like some of those

3610
02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:04,960
concerns for having a new development

3611
02:30:04,960 --> 02:30:07,600
with students coming in.

3612
02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:09,359
I don't think that those are going to be

3613
02:30:09,359 --> 02:30:17,429
concerns in this particular case.

3614
02:30:17,439 --> 02:30:25,349
Any other council discussion?

3615
02:30:25,359 --> 02:30:31,600
Um I I'd be I'd like to make a a Well, I let me ask Cody. I think it's very

3616
02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:33,200
clear from the council that we like this

3617
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:35,680
agreement. I'm purely pushing for us to

3618
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:37,359
get the best deal we can get. And I and

3619
02:30:37,359 --> 02:30:39,760
I think both both Springville and Provo

3620
02:30:39,760 --> 02:30:41,520
want this deal to happen. I personally

3621
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:42,880
think this is a better deal for spring

3622
02:30:42,880 --> 02:30:44,720
bill. That's my assessment. The council

3623
02:30:44,720 --> 02:30:47,920
may disagree. So I what I'm curious is

3624
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:49,840
if we were to continue this item for you

3625
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:52,080
to go back and and negotiate a little

3626
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:54,319
bit, is that going to put this whole

3627
02:30:54,319 --> 02:30:56,880
thing at risk or do you think that the

3628
02:30:56,880 --> 02:30:59,120
timelines could line up?

3629
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:00,319
>> I don't know that there's a need to

3630
02:31:00,319 --> 02:31:02,240
continue. I think if if you feel

3631
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:03,760
obviously feel strongly about including

3632
02:31:03,760 --> 02:31:05,600
more costs and I think you can add that

3633
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:08,240
as as an amendment to the motion and

3634
02:31:08,240 --> 02:31:10,479
push it through and get a vote and then

3635
02:31:10,479 --> 02:31:12,640
we can add that language in and then

3636
02:31:12,640 --> 02:31:14,240
hand it over to Springville for them to

3637
02:31:14,240 --> 02:31:16,720
consider and I know Troy Fitzgerald has

3638
02:31:16,720 --> 02:31:19,359
been so this amendment so this agreement

3639
02:31:19,359 --> 02:31:21,280
has already been adopted without our

3640
02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:23,680
amendments by Springville City Council

3641
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:26,000
and they've given um Troy Fitzgerald the

3642
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:29,680
city manager um some leeway in altering

3643
02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:31,840
that that agreement agreement um as long

3644
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:33,439
as there's not significant substantive

3645
02:31:33,439 --> 02:31:36,000
changes to that agreement um and still

3646
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:39,120
enter into it. And so when we make our

3647
02:31:39,120 --> 02:31:41,760
amendments, approve it, give it back to

3648
02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:43,600
them, then the ball's in their court

3649
02:31:43,600 --> 02:31:46,960
whether our changes are significant or

3650
02:31:46,960 --> 02:31:49,520
they're not so significant that they

3651
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:50,160
can't just sign it.

3652
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:52,399
>> Sign of administratively that I Yeah, I

3653
02:31:52,399 --> 02:31:53,359
think that would be my preferred

3654
02:31:53,359 --> 02:31:54,399
direction for you to go.

3655
02:31:54,399 --> 02:31:56,560
>> Okay.

3656
02:31:56,560 --> 02:31:58,319
>> In that case, I I think we could go that

3657
02:31:58,319 --> 02:32:00,160
direction. So, I'd like to make I'd like

3658
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:04,880
to make an a motion to um approve this

3659
02:32:04,880 --> 02:32:06,560
agreement, this interlocal agreement

3660
02:32:06,560 --> 02:32:09,680
with the amendments that are have been

3661
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:12,479
made to the current document with the

3662
02:32:12,479 --> 02:32:14,479
additional direction that Cody goes and

3663
02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:16,399
tries to negotiate a slightly more

3664
02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:20,720
favorable cost formula for Provo.

3665
02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:22,160
Is there a second?

3666
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:24,479
>> I'll second that.

3667
02:32:24,479 --> 02:32:27,600
>> Thank you.

3668
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:30,880
Any discussion on the

3669
02:32:30,880 --> 02:32:33,359
motion? Councilor Bogden,

3670
02:32:33,359 --> 02:32:35,120
>> I would still like it to go to 50 years

3671
02:32:35,120 --> 02:32:37,520
instead of 30. I think if we're looking

3672
02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:40,800
at a more favorable for Provo,

3673
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:42,720
>> 50 years is more

3674
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:45,760
>> favorable than 30. And that pushes it to

3675
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:47,120
the max of the limit. And then then

3676
02:32:47,120 --> 02:32:50,240
we've got it for that mall.

3677
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:52,800
>> So that would still fit within what he

3678
02:32:52,800 --> 02:32:54,319
what councelor Whitlock has.

3679
02:32:54,319 --> 02:32:56,960
>> I'd agree with that as well.

3680
02:32:56,960 --> 02:32:58,560
Yeah, for the record, I agree with that.

3681
02:32:58,560 --> 02:32:59,359
That's a great point.

3682
02:32:59,359 --> 02:33:01,760
>> We We don't want to see Provo sinking.

3683
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:03,359
>> Should I update the motion, Brian, with

3684
02:33:03,359 --> 02:33:04,000
that?

3685
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:06,160
>> Well, yeah. Let me let me clarify one

3686
02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:08,160
thing about your intent, though. Uh,

3687
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:09,840
you've essentially with regard to the

3688
02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:13,439
cost proposal, you've essentially said

3689
02:33:13,439 --> 02:33:15,200
you're delegating it to Cody to

3690
02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:16,960
negotiate the best deal on that that he

3691
02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:21,840
can, and whatever he whatever he gets is approved. Same thing with the 30 to

3692
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:24,560
50. Like you want him to ask for 50, but

3693
02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:26,800
it's okay if they only agree to 30 or is

3694
02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:29,040
it you're only approving it if they

3695
02:33:29,040 --> 02:33:33,326
agree to 50?

3696
02:33:33,336 --> 02:33:34,080
[laughter]

3697
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:35,760
>> I actually I actually think

3698
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:38,000
substantively councelor Bogdan's right

3699
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:40,720
that that's probably a more financially

3700
02:33:40,720 --> 02:33:43,760
substantive ask for us to be honest.

3701
02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:45,359
Um,

3702
02:33:45,359 --> 02:33:48,240
>> so in that case I would I would say make

3703
02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:50,720
that part of your motion that that you

3704
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:56,960
are it is approved contingent upon the trigger that's on the screen 50

3705
02:33:56,960 --> 02:34:00,640
years and the best cost calculation

3706
02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:03,600
formula that that Cody can negotiate.

3707
02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:05,120
>> Okay. I make a motion that we approve

3708
02:34:05,120 --> 02:34:07,200
this interlocal agreement based on the

3709
02:34:07,200 --> 02:34:09,120
changes uh showed on this updated

3710
02:34:09,120 --> 02:34:12,240
document and contingent to getting 50

3711
02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:14,800
years as as the duration of the

3712
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:16,720
agreement and a better more favorable

3713
02:34:16,720 --> 02:34:20,950
cost calculation propo.

3714
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:23,439
» I'll second your substitute substitute

3715
02:34:23,439 --> 02:34:24,319
motion.

3716
02:34:24,319 --> 02:34:26,399
>> Any discussion? Councelor Christensen,

3717
02:34:26,399 --> 02:34:30,080
did you have a comment earlier?

3718
02:34:30,080 --> 02:34:31,040
>> No.

3719
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:34,240
>> Okay, I'll call for a vote.

3720
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:36,000
Councelor Whitlock.

3721
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:36,479
>> Yes.

3722
02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:37,600
>> Councelor Bogden.

3723
02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:38,560
>> Yes.

3724
02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:39,920
>> Councelor Hoben.

3725
02:34:39,920 --> 02:34:40,240
>> Yes.

3726
02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:42,800
>> Councelor Whipple.

3727
02:34:42,800 --> 02:34:44,560
>> Um,

3728
02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:48,000
I would be okay if it were the 3250.

3729
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:50,160
I'm I'm willing to say yes to this, but

3730
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:54,399
I I think 50 I I

3731
02:34:54,399 --> 02:34:57,439
don't want that to kill it.

3732
02:34:57,439 --> 02:35:02,479
So, I'm a I I'm Yes. with that

3733
02:35:02,479 --> 02:35:04,399
understanding if that's helpful for Cody

3734
02:35:04,399 --> 02:35:06,319
at all in his negotiations.

3735
02:35:06,319 --> 02:35:07,920
>> Okay. Thank you, Council Ripple. That's

3736
02:35:07,920 --> 02:35:10,319
been noted. Councelor Garrett. Yes.

3737
02:35:10,319 --> 02:35:17,910
Councelor McKay.

3738
02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:20,160
» Councelor McKay reported that her signal

3739
02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:23,040
is is in and out of service. So, we'll

3740
02:35:23,040 --> 02:35:25,520
excuse her vote at this time. Councelor

3741
02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:26,880
Christensen.

3742
02:35:26,880 --> 02:35:32,547
>> Yes. That motion passes by a vote of 6.

3743
02:35:32,547 --> 02:35:33,760
[clears throat]

3744
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:38,880
Brian, um, having passed that, do do we

3745
02:35:38,880 --> 02:35:44,982
move to seven and eight now?

3746
02:35:44,992 --> 02:35:46,640
[laughter]

3747
02:35:46,640 --> 02:35:48,399
Um,

3748
02:35:48,399 --> 02:35:52,800
yes, with this caveat. Um, so I mean I I

3749
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:54,080
think you should hear the presentation

3750
02:35:54,080 --> 02:35:58,160
on seven and eight. Um, we do not at the

3751
02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:01,920
moment have a binding interlocal

3752
02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:03,520
agreement. And so the question becomes,

3753
02:36:03,520 --> 02:36:05,920
do you really want to approve either the

3754
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:09,280
general plan or the reszone without one?

3755
02:36:09,280 --> 02:36:13,040
Um, you could

3756
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:15,439
we could do there's a few options here.

3757
02:36:15,439 --> 02:36:17,920
one is you you hear them and get the

3758
02:36:17,920 --> 02:36:21,359
developers uh input presentation, ask

3759
02:36:21,359 --> 02:36:22,880
the questions you have and we're and

3760
02:36:22,880 --> 02:36:25,040
we're ready to move forward later when

3761
02:36:25,040 --> 02:36:27,760
we hear back from Springville uh with

3762
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:30,880
nothing and just continue it after um

3763
02:36:30,880 --> 02:36:32,720
the presentations.

3764
02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:36,738
We could um

3765
02:36:36,738 --> 02:36:38,950
[sighs]

3766
02:36:38,960 --> 02:36:40,160
well the other thing that occurred to me

3767
02:36:40,160 --> 02:36:41,840
that now that I'm I'm going to say it

3768
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:43,040
because I already said there were three

3769
02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:44,319
things but I actually don't like this

3770
02:36:44,319 --> 02:36:47,840
one. [laughter] So, so the the reszone

3771
02:36:47,840 --> 02:36:49,280
is not effective until the development

3772
02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:51,040
agreement is signed. So, you could

3773
02:36:51,040 --> 02:36:51,600
instruct

3774
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:52,880
>> the interlocal agreement.

3775
02:36:52,880 --> 02:36:54,319
>> Well, the development agreement.

3776
02:36:54,319 --> 02:36:54,800
>> Okay.

3777
02:36:54,800 --> 02:36:57,120
>> Right. So, you so you could approve both

3778
02:36:57,120 --> 02:37:01,040
and then ask the mayor to not sign the

3779
02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:02,319
development agreement until the

3780
02:37:02,319 --> 02:37:04,479
interlocal agreement has been approved.

3781
02:37:04,479 --> 02:37:07,120
That's just that's a weird way of doing

3782
02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:08,800
it. So the better way of doing it would

3783
02:37:08,800 --> 02:37:11,439
be to actually add language to the

3784
02:37:11,439 --> 02:37:13,200
resolution saying that it's not

3785
02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:16,399
effective until both the development

3786
02:37:16,399 --> 02:37:18,720
agreement and the interlocal cooperation

3787
02:37:18,720 --> 02:37:20,560
agreement have been fully executed. And

3788
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:22,640
so if you get if we get to the point

3789
02:37:22,640 --> 02:37:24,000
where you're ready to vote and you're

3790
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:25,680
satisfied with the development

3791
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:30,070
agreement, we could add that language.

3792
02:37:30,080 --> 02:37:31,920
Thank you, Brian.

3793
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:35,680
Are the developers here?

3794
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:37,920
Let's go ahead and hear the development

3795
02:37:37,920 --> 02:37:43,120
uh and hear from the developers then. I should read in this item first

3796
02:37:43,120 --> 02:37:44,479
and I would go ahead and read in both of

3797
02:37:44,479 --> 02:37:45,040
them.

3798
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:46,080
>> I'm sorry.

3799
02:37:46,080 --> 02:37:47,840
>> There's two more, right? Because there's

3800
02:37:47,840 --> 02:37:48,560
a general

3801
02:37:48,560 --> 02:37:49,920
>> seven and eight.

3802
02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:52,800
>> Yeah. Or eight and eight and Oh, you're

3803
02:37:52,800 --> 02:37:53,680
right. Seven and eight because we

3804
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:55,359
skipped and went to nine first. Yeah.

3805
02:37:55,359 --> 02:37:56,800
So, if you can read in both seven and

3806
02:37:56,800 --> 02:37:58,240
eight. [clears throat]

3807
02:37:58,240 --> 02:38:01,280
>> So, I'll read in these two items. an

3808
02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:03,120
ordinance amending the general plan map

3809
02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:05,520
designation of real property generally

3810
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:09,760
located at 3657 South Sierra Vista Way

3811
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:11,760
from the industrial designation to the

3812
02:38:11,760 --> 02:38:14,720
mixeduse designation in the Spring Creek

3813
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:17,609
neighborhood. And then the next one is

3814
02:38:17,609 --> 02:38:18,640
[clears throat] an ordinance amending

3815
02:38:18,640 --> 02:38:20,720
the zone map classification of real

3816
02:38:20,720 --> 02:38:23,359
property generally generally located at

3817
02:38:23,359 --> 02:38:26,124
3657 South Sierra Vistaway from

3818
02:38:26,124 --> 02:38:29,359
[laughter] the PIC zone to the medium

3819
02:38:29,359 --> 02:38:31,760
density residential and general

3820
02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:34,880
commercial zones in Spring Creek. Erin

3821
02:38:34,880 --> 02:38:36,319
and this will be presented by Aaron

3822
02:38:36,319 --> 02:38:37,280
Ardmore.

3823
02:38:37,280 --> 02:38:39,120
>> Yes, thank you council. I'll be very

3824
02:38:39,120 --> 02:38:40,880
brief so the developers can come up here

3825
02:38:40,880 --> 02:38:42,080
and address some of the questions that

3826
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:44,399
have been asked. Um so you've heard a

3827
02:38:44,399 --> 02:38:45,920
lot about this already through the

3828
02:38:45,920 --> 02:38:47,200
previous items. So let me just go

3829
02:38:47,200 --> 02:38:49,040
through the the other legislative asks

3830
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:51,600
that they have on this. Um to to get to

3831
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:53,520
the point where they can develop uh

3832
02:38:53,520 --> 02:38:55,920
what's being proposed. Uh first is this

3833
02:38:55,920 --> 02:38:57,520
general plan map amendment. So to take

3834
02:38:57,520 --> 02:39:00,080
it out of the industrial designation and

3835
02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:02,000
move it into mixed use designation would

3836
02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:04,399
be the first step. Uh that would enable

3837
02:39:04,399 --> 02:39:07,520
them to then amend the zone map as well.

3838
02:39:07,520 --> 02:39:08,960
uh to go from the planned industrial

3839
02:39:08,960 --> 02:39:11,359
commercial zone as it currently is to a

3840
02:39:11,359 --> 02:39:13,120
mix of medium density residential for

3841
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:15,280
the majority of it and then the the

3842
02:39:15,280 --> 02:39:17,680
general commercial zone for uh Provo's

3843
02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:20,720
commercial portion of the project uh

3844
02:39:20,720 --> 02:39:22,720
which on their applications is called

3845
02:39:22,720 --> 02:39:25,120
the Iron Redevelopment Project and not

3846
02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:29,200
Spring Rising just to to note that. Um,

3847
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:31,600
and then the concept plan here, um,

3848
02:39:31,600 --> 02:39:34,960
you've seen this. This is, uh, condos up

3849
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:38,080
in the brown, um, stack units in the top

3850
02:39:38,080 --> 02:39:40,479
right there. Uh, the yellow and or the

3851
02:39:40,479 --> 02:39:43,200
golden and purple units are town homes.

3852
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:45,439
All of these would be for sale. Uh,

3853
02:39:45,439 --> 02:39:47,040
through the development agreement,

3854
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:50,000
they've uh, profered that only 25% of

3855
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:52,160
all the units could be rented at any one

3856
02:39:52,160 --> 02:39:54,720
time. Uh they've also profered that

3857
02:39:54,720 --> 02:39:57,840
there be an initial 2-year owner

3858
02:39:57,840 --> 02:39:59,840
occupancy requirement on on each of

3859
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:03,120
these sales. Um and then um there's some

3860
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:07,920
other elements that they hope to kind of

3861
02:40:07,920 --> 02:40:10,960
work out with UD do and UTA that they've

3862
02:40:10,960 --> 02:40:12,960
identified in the development agreement

3863
02:40:12,960 --> 02:40:15,120
that came up with planning commission

3864
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:17,920
discussion. Um so that's all I've got on

3865
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:19,439
this unless you've got questions for me.

3866
02:40:19,439 --> 02:40:22,720
Um we can let the developers come up.

3867
02:40:22,720 --> 02:40:26,870
questions for Aaron.

3868
02:40:26,880 --> 02:40:28,880
» Thank you, Erin. We'll hear from the

3869
02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:34,469
developer.

3870
02:40:34,479 --> 02:40:36,160
» Thank you, council and mayor, for having

3871
02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:38,080
us tonight. We uh we're excited about

3872
02:40:38,080 --> 02:40:38,720
this development.

3873
02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:39,600
>> Could you tell us your name?

3874
02:40:39,600 --> 02:40:41,120
>> Oh, yes. Sorry. My name is Spencer

3875
02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:42,720
Warren. I represent the Clyde Companies

3876
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:45,120
and I'm part of their development team.

3877
02:40:45,120 --> 02:40:46,640
Um you've you've already heard most of

3878
02:40:46,640 --> 02:40:48,640
what you need to hear about this uh this

3879
02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:51,040
both zone changes or the the amendment

3880
02:40:51,040 --> 02:40:53,439
to the general plan and the zone change.

3881
02:40:53,439 --> 02:40:56,640
And so primarily I'll just address the

3882
02:40:56,640 --> 02:40:58,640
comments the planning commission gave us

3883
02:40:58,640 --> 02:41:00,240
and then happy to answer questions. So

3884
02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:01,840
they the planning commission did approve

3885
02:41:01,840 --> 02:41:04,960
this and they had three um generally

3886
02:41:04,960 --> 02:41:07,120
three comments for us. The first was to

3887
02:41:07,120 --> 02:41:09,920
buffer the industrial zones so that the

3888
02:41:09,920 --> 02:41:12,080
residential and the industrial had a

3889
02:41:12,080 --> 02:41:14,479
little bit of space between them. And uh

3890
02:41:14,479 --> 02:41:16,319
as you can see on the the site plan

3891
02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:18,000
here, there's been some green space

3892
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:21,040
added where you see top left from my

3893
02:41:21,040 --> 02:41:23,280
perspective, you see detention basin.

3894
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:26,560
That green space buffers the entire west

3895
02:41:26,560 --> 02:41:28,720
side of this development from Sierra

3896
02:41:28,720 --> 02:41:32,560
Vista Way and the the uh commercial or

3897
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:34,479
the industrial that's directly to the

3898
02:41:34,479 --> 02:41:38,080
west of that. The second uh ask from the

3899
02:41:38,080 --> 02:41:41,280
planning commission was to put a

3900
02:41:41,280 --> 02:41:44,800
structure within the setback on Main

3901
02:41:44,800 --> 02:41:47,920
Street inside of Provo. This plan or

3902
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:50,240
this uh site plan does not show the

3903
02:41:50,240 --> 02:41:52,399
update there, but in the upper right

3904
02:41:52,399 --> 02:41:55,120
corner of parking lot B, we've proposed

3905
02:41:55,120 --> 02:41:59,439
to put a 16 by 16 foot monument sign to

3906
02:41:59,439 --> 02:42:01,040
address the need for a building to go

3907
02:42:01,040 --> 02:42:03,280
there. And then the third ask that they

3908
02:42:03,280 --> 02:42:06,080
had was to consider the pedestrian

3909
02:42:06,080 --> 02:42:08,160
experience. And so, as has already been

3910
02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:10,080
discussed, there's some extension of the

3911
02:42:10,080 --> 02:42:18,560
Spring Creek Trail. There's added um let's see art walk is what we term it

3912
02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:21,120
but there's uh some desirable features

3913
02:42:21,120 --> 02:42:23,359
to see for a pedestrian we'll call it

3914
02:42:23,359 --> 02:42:26,160
that and uh so those those comments have

3915
02:42:26,160 --> 02:42:28,560
been addressed in this updated site plan

3916
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:33,707
what questions can I answer for you

3917
02:42:33,717 --> 02:42:35,439
[clears throat] so Spencer to the

3918
02:42:35,439 --> 02:42:38,240
earlier comment so the housing portion

3919
02:42:38,240 --> 02:42:40,240
of this development is being called what

3920
02:42:40,240 --> 02:42:42,479
the Ironton And

3921
02:42:42,479 --> 02:42:44,160
>> that is a great question. It doesn't

3922
02:42:44,160 --> 02:42:45,680
have that official name at the moment.

3923
02:42:45,680 --> 02:42:47,920
Okay. The name of the entity is Spring

3924
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:49,439
Rising. The name of the neighborhood

3925
02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:50,880
area is Iron.

3926
02:42:50,880 --> 02:42:53,120
>> So those those are its nicknames for

3927
02:42:53,120 --> 02:42:53,520
now.

3928
02:42:53,520 --> 02:42:55,520
>> Okay.

3929
02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:57,600
>> But that could clearly be designated

3930
02:42:57,600 --> 02:42:58,800
with

3931
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:00,960
>> welcome to Provo signs on the

3932
02:43:00,960 --> 02:43:02,240
appropriate road.

3933
02:43:02,240 --> 02:43:02,720
>> Yes.

3934
02:43:02,720 --> 02:43:04,160
>> And entrances. Yes.

3935
02:43:04,160 --> 02:43:07,120
>> And then maybe a a community name.

3936
02:43:07,120 --> 02:43:09,200
>> Yeah. I I mean Proville, that's a good

3937
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:11,600
one. I I hadn't heard that one yet. Um

3938
02:43:11,600 --> 02:43:14,240
but yeah, this we have not given it a

3939
02:43:14,240 --> 02:43:14,960
specific name.

3940
02:43:14,960 --> 02:43:17,280
>> Okay. Okay.

3941
02:43:17,280 --> 02:43:19,680
Other questions for Spencer or Clyde

3942
02:43:19,680 --> 02:43:24,230
Companies? Councelor Boggden,

3943
02:43:24,240 --> 02:43:27,120
» I like the project. What gives me a lot

3944
02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:30,560
of heartburn, a lot a lot of heartburn

3945
02:43:30,560 --> 02:43:32,160
is

3946
02:43:32,160 --> 02:43:34,960
there is no perpetuity in your homeowner

3947
02:43:34,960 --> 02:43:36,640
occupancy.

3948
02:43:36,640 --> 02:43:40,399
There is for the 25%.

3949
02:43:40,399 --> 02:43:41,920
There's a two-year deed restriction for

3950
02:43:41,920 --> 02:43:43,359
the entire place, the entire

3951
02:43:43,359 --> 02:43:45,520
development, and then there's a 25%

3952
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:48,560
restriction to rentals. So 75% of that

3953
02:43:48,560 --> 02:43:50,800
will be permanently homeowner occupied.

3954
02:43:50,800 --> 02:43:52,560
Only 25% will be allowed to go into the

3955
02:43:52,560 --> 02:43:54,800
rental pool. And that 75% is in

3956
02:43:54,800 --> 02:43:56,960
perpetuity.

3957
02:43:56,960 --> 02:43:57,120
And

3958
02:43:57,120 --> 02:43:58,720
>> so are these sold or are these all

3959
02:43:58,720 --> 02:43:59,600
rentals?

3960
02:43:59,600 --> 02:44:01,840
>> No, these will be sold. They're all for

3961
02:44:01,840 --> 02:44:04,479
sale. So, how would you enforce that

3962
02:44:04,479 --> 02:44:05,920
25%.

3963
02:44:05,920 --> 02:44:07,760
>> The same as what was discussed earlier

3964
02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:09,359
through the application in the

3965
02:44:09,359 --> 02:44:11,760
development agreement or the the

3966
02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:13,040
template, excuse me, in the development

3967
02:44:13,040 --> 02:44:15,760
agreement as well as through the HOA.

3968
02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:19,120
>> I I like that you have 25% rental,

3969
02:44:19,120 --> 02:44:22,720
but for me, I I have a hard time that

3970
02:44:22,720 --> 02:44:24,800
you don't have

3971
02:44:24,800 --> 02:44:27,120
perpetuity in your homeowner occupancy

3972
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:30,080
on the deed restriction. I think that's

3973
02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:31,840
really clear to somebody that's going to

3974
02:44:31,840 --> 02:44:36,560
buy it. I I I think that helps it be

3975
02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:40,240
more enforceable. I do like the 25%

3976
02:44:40,240 --> 02:44:44,160
as well. But for me, I would I would

3977
02:44:44,160 --> 02:44:46,960
also need that strictness of every time

3978
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:50,080
it's sold, people understand that they

3979
02:44:50,080 --> 02:44:53,359
have to own that place and stick in that

3980
02:44:53,359 --> 02:44:56,720
place a year or two. that that is the

3981
02:44:56,720 --> 02:45:01,040
intent of our HOA and and uh restriction

3982
02:45:01,040 --> 02:45:02,720
through the development agreement is to

3983
02:45:02,720 --> 02:45:05,359
keep it so that 75% of those and condos

3984
02:45:05,359 --> 02:45:07,040
and town houses will always be owner

3985
02:45:07,040 --> 02:45:07,520
occupied.

3986
02:45:07,520 --> 02:45:10,240
>> Right. I get that. But

3987
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:13,120
I would also appreciate it

3988
02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:15,040
>> as restriction specifically

3989
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:16,160
>> in perpetuity. [clears throat]

3990
02:45:16,160 --> 02:45:16,640
>> Yeah.

3991
02:45:16,640 --> 02:45:18,319
>> Thank you,

3992
02:45:18,319 --> 02:45:21,760
>> Councelor Whipple.

3993
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:24,720
Yeah, I think um Proville is much better

3994
02:45:24,720 --> 02:45:27,760
than Springingo would be. Um I was

3995
02:45:27,760 --> 02:45:29,920
wondering so this project would it have

3996
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:32,000
to meet our gateway standards that we

3997
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:34,560
have for Provo for a monument sign or

3998
02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:38,790
for other design elements?

3999
02:45:38,800 --> 02:45:40,399
That may be a better question for Aaron

4000
02:45:40,399 --> 02:45:42,000
than it is for the developer.

4001
02:45:42,000 --> 02:45:44,240
>> Aaron is nodding his head. Yes.

4002
02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:44,640
>> Okay.

4003
02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:45,760
>> Yes.

4004
02:45:45,760 --> 02:45:47,840
>> Um did the developer know about the

4005
02:45:47,840 --> 02:45:50,640
gateway design standards? Did I just

4006
02:45:50,640 --> 02:45:52,240
bring something new on him?

4007
02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:54,720
>> No. Well, on me as an individual

4008
02:45:54,720 --> 02:45:56,880
perhaps, but not on our design team.

4009
02:45:56,880 --> 02:45:59,760
>> Okay. I I just wanted to to be sure that

4010
02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:03,600
those would be met because

4011
02:46:03,600 --> 02:46:06,319
I I I really like this project and I

4012
02:46:06,319 --> 02:46:08,800
like that this gives a really great

4013
02:46:08,800 --> 02:46:11,200
entrance to Provo and a wonderful

4014
02:46:11,200 --> 02:46:12,800
transition between Provo and

4015
02:46:12,800 --> 02:46:16,399
Springville. And I think doing kind of

4016
02:46:16,399 --> 02:46:18,080
the monument sign and our gateway

4017
02:46:18,080 --> 02:46:20,960
standards will help

4018
02:46:20,960 --> 02:46:25,279
to to mark and kind of celebrate that

4019
02:46:25,279 --> 02:46:27,040
common line that we have with each

4020
02:46:27,040 --> 02:46:30,399
other. So I'm I'm excited about it and

4021
02:46:30,399 --> 02:46:33,520
I'm really happy that you're here to do

4022
02:46:33,520 --> 02:46:35,120
this project.

4023
02:46:35,120 --> 02:46:38,080
>> Thank you. We are too.

4024
02:46:38,080 --> 02:46:40,880
>> Councelor Whitlock. Echoing some of my

4025
02:46:40,880 --> 02:46:44,560
comments from the last item. I love that

4026
02:46:44,560 --> 02:46:46,560
all these units are for sale. I love

4027
02:46:46,560 --> 02:46:48,319
that there's condos for sale. That's not

4028
02:46:48,319 --> 02:46:51,520
a product we see very often. Condos are

4029
02:46:51,520 --> 02:46:53,359
the new starter home. That's just the

4030
02:46:53,359 --> 02:46:55,359
reality that we live in as we've

4031
02:46:55,359 --> 02:46:57,120
discussed. And I'm really happy that

4032
02:46:57,120 --> 02:47:00,080
there's going to be 90 families that can

4033
02:47:00,080 --> 02:47:03,439
buy these and live close to

4034
02:47:03,439 --> 02:47:08,240
dining retail. I think that's amazing. I also appreciate all the green space.

4035
02:47:08,240 --> 02:47:09,760
There's a lot of parks in this

4036
02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:11,520
development. So, I think you guys have

4037
02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:12,479
done a wonderful job.

4038
02:47:12,479 --> 02:47:12,880
>> Thank you.

4039
02:47:12,880 --> 02:47:14,479
>> I really appreciate it and I like I love

4040
02:47:14,479 --> 02:47:15,760
this development. I want to make it

4041
02:47:15,760 --> 02:47:16,960
happen.

4042
02:47:16,960 --> 02:47:19,040
>> Great. Thank you very much.

4043
02:47:19,040 --> 02:47:21,840
>> I also am encouraged by this project,

4044
02:47:21,840 --> 02:47:23,520
Spencer, and appreciate the commitment

4045
02:47:23,520 --> 02:47:25,760
that Clyde Companies has made to develop

4046
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:29,359
this part of our city. It has great I-15

4047
02:47:29,359 --> 02:47:31,520
access from there. 1400 South is

4048
02:47:31,520 --> 02:47:33,040
underutilized

4049
02:47:33,040 --> 02:47:37,040
and um [clears throat] but to see life

4050
02:47:37,040 --> 02:47:40,240
in this part of our city will be will be

4051
02:47:40,240 --> 02:47:43,120
great.

4052
02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:45,520
If there's no other comment

4053
02:47:45,520 --> 02:47:48,160
or questions for Spencer

4054
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:49,840
or discussion, I'll call for a vote.

4055
02:47:49,840 --> 02:47:50,560
Thank you, Spencer.

4056
02:47:50,560 --> 02:47:54,150
>> Thank you, [clears throat]

4057
02:47:54,160 --> 02:47:55,040
» Chair Garrett.

4058
02:47:55,040 --> 02:47:55,359
>> Yes.

4059
02:47:55,359 --> 02:47:58,399
>> I just wanted to Well, let's see. Are

4060
02:47:58,399 --> 02:48:00,960
you doing the general plan one first?

4061
02:48:00,960 --> 02:48:03,680
>> Yes. Okay. I'll My comments are about

4062
02:48:03,680 --> 02:48:08,070
the reason, not about the general plan.

4063
02:48:08,080 --> 02:48:10,560
» Would we need to add the stipulation to

4064
02:48:10,560 --> 02:48:12,880
the general plan that you suggested or

4065
02:48:12,880 --> 02:48:14,240
is that just on the resone?

4066
02:48:14,240 --> 02:48:18,251
>> Well, I suppose um

4067
02:48:18,251 --> 02:48:19,279
[sighs]

4068
02:48:19,279 --> 02:48:21,279
I I guess that's up in your discretion.

4069
02:48:21,279 --> 02:48:22,720
The general plan doesn't grant any

4070
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:26,000
vested rights, right? So if the if you

4071
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:27,439
approve the general plan and then the

4072
02:48:27,439 --> 02:48:28,640
whole deal falls through, you can just

4073
02:48:28,640 --> 02:48:30,479
undo the general plan and it and they

4074
02:48:30,479 --> 02:48:32,240
you've not given anybody any rights

4075
02:48:32,240 --> 02:48:34,160
because it's just discretionary. It's

4076
02:48:34,160 --> 02:48:36,640
just a guideline to begin with. So I'm

4077
02:48:36,640 --> 02:48:38,080
less concerned about that one, but we

4078
02:48:38,080 --> 02:48:42,399
could certainly add it if you want

4079
02:48:42,399 --> 02:48:44,160
so that you don't have to go through the

4080
02:48:44,160 --> 02:48:46,880
step of undoing it afterwards. Seems

4081
02:48:46,880 --> 02:48:51,110
easy. Yeah.

4082
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:53,040
Can you Kevin, can you put up the

4083
02:48:53,040 --> 02:48:59,190
ordinance then for the general plan?

4084
02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:02,800
» Let's see and then scroll down.

4085
02:49:02,800 --> 02:49:07,110
Um,

4086
02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:11,120
I would so I would suggest that in sub

4087
02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:15,110
paragraph C,

4088
02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:18,950
um,

4089
02:49:18,960 --> 02:49:20,960
I would add

4090
02:49:20,960 --> 02:49:22,800
to right there where it says immediately

4091
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:24,720
after,

4092
02:49:24,720 --> 02:49:28,399
um, I would add the words

4093
02:49:28,399 --> 02:49:31,680
uh, if you're able to edit it or even a

4094
02:49:31,680 --> 02:49:33,760
PDF.

4095
02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:42,469
But I can

4096
02:49:42,479 --> 02:49:43,920
» I would say this ordinance takes effect

4097
02:49:43,920 --> 02:49:46,479
immediately after the interlocal

4098
02:49:46,479 --> 02:49:48,640
partic what did we let's see what's the

4099
02:49:48,640 --> 02:49:49,680
agreement called interlocal

4100
02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:51,439
participation agreement Cody is that the

4101
02:49:51,439 --> 02:49:52,800
name of it

4102
02:49:52,800 --> 02:49:53,279
>> after

4103
02:49:53,279 --> 02:49:57,200
>> cooperation after the

4104
02:49:57,200 --> 02:49:59,920
relevant interlocal cooperation

4105
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:01,760
agreement with Springville has and

4106
02:50:01,760 --> 02:50:07,830
executed by both parties.

4107
02:50:07,840 --> 02:50:19,030
And

4108
02:50:19,040 --> 02:50:21,120
yeah. And so with with that change, that

4109
02:50:21,120 --> 02:50:23,120
makes it so y that's just one more

4110
02:50:23,120 --> 02:50:26,240
trigger before it's effective.

4111
02:50:26,240 --> 02:50:28,399
>> So it would just so if that meets what

4112
02:50:28,399 --> 02:50:30,080
you're expecting, then we would want a

4113
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:31,520
motion.

4114
02:50:31,520 --> 02:50:34,560
to add that language and then a sub and

4115
02:50:34,560 --> 02:50:39,600
then a a second vote on the amended uh

4116
02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:41,520
ordinance.

4117
02:50:41,520 --> 02:50:44,720
All right, I'll I'll make a motion to

4118
02:50:44,720 --> 02:50:48,880
update the implied motion uh to uh make

4119
02:50:48,880 --> 02:50:51,120
an ordinance text amendment to the

4120
02:50:51,120 --> 02:50:54,160
general plan for the property located at

4121
02:50:54,160 --> 02:50:55,680
3657

4122
02:50:55,680 --> 02:50:57,520
Sierra. You're scrolling, Kevin, while

4123
02:50:57,520 --> 02:51:00,399
I'm reading.

4124
02:51:00,399 --> 02:51:04,240
No, Sierra Vista way. Uh, subject to the

4125
02:51:04,240 --> 02:51:06,880
amended language that this is contingent

4126
02:51:06,880 --> 02:51:09,520
upon the interlocal cooperation

4127
02:51:09,520 --> 02:51:15,190
agreement being executed.

4128
02:51:15,200 --> 02:51:17,520
» I'll second that.

4129
02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:27,538
>> Public comment.

4130
02:51:27,548 --> 02:51:27,920
» [clears throat]

4131
02:51:27,920 --> 02:51:28,720
>> It's late.

4132
02:51:28,720 --> 02:51:30,560
>> So, we have a motion by councelor

4133
02:51:30,560 --> 02:51:32,960
Whitlock with a second by Rachel

4134
02:51:32,960 --> 02:51:36,640
Whipple. We will open public comment for

4135
02:51:36,640 --> 02:51:40,479
this item at this time before we vote.

4136
02:51:40,479 --> 02:51:44,469
>> You can tell we're getting tired.

4137
02:51:44,479 --> 02:51:46,080
» It's been a long meeting. I'm tired,

4138
02:51:46,080 --> 02:51:47,840
too. Um [clears throat] I'm Angie

4139
02:51:47,840 --> 02:51:50,080
Carter, um the East Neighborhood

4140
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:54,080
District Chair, and again, this came up

4141
02:51:54,080 --> 02:51:57,120
in our meeting. Um the residents are

4142
02:51:57,120 --> 02:51:59,040
generally supportive of this, but as you

4143
02:51:59,040 --> 02:52:02,080
know, our area struggles with a lot of

4144
02:52:02,080 --> 02:52:06,640
over rental of the area. So Becky

4145
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:10,560
Bogdan's concerns echo our concerns. How

4146
02:52:10,560 --> 02:52:13,600
will you enforce owner occupancy in this

4147
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:16,080
area? And we would recommend that it not

4148
02:52:16,080 --> 02:52:18,240
be approved until there's some pretty

4149
02:52:18,240 --> 02:52:20,319
strict

4150
02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:23,439
enforcement of that here. Otherwise,

4151
02:52:23,439 --> 02:52:26,000
we're just going to end up with even

4152
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:28,479
lower owner occupancy in our area than

4153
02:52:28,479 --> 02:52:32,560
we already have. Um, we we think the

4154
02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:34,240
interlocal agreement will take care of

4155
02:52:34,240 --> 02:52:35,920
some of our concerns about most of the

4156
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:38,160
sales tax revenue going into

4157
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:39,840
Springville, but that is a concern that

4158
02:52:39,840 --> 02:52:43,600
we have as well that Provos seems to be

4159
02:52:43,600 --> 02:52:48,240
getting all the housing without the

4160
02:52:48,240 --> 02:52:51,840
tax revenue to support all of that. So,

4161
02:52:51,840 --> 02:52:53,040
it sounds like some of that's been

4162
02:52:53,040 --> 02:52:55,279
addressed, but I would like you to know

4163
02:52:55,279 --> 02:52:57,840
that that came up in our meeting as

4164
02:52:57,840 --> 02:53:00,319
well. Um, that's all that we have, but I

4165
02:53:00,319 --> 02:53:02,720
just wanted you to know that. Thank you.

4166
02:53:02,720 --> 02:53:05,120
>> Great. Thank you, Angie.

4167
02:53:05,120 --> 02:53:07,439
>> To that point.

4168
02:53:07,439 --> 02:53:10,000
>> Um, can you speak just in more detail

4169
02:53:10,000 --> 02:53:13,680
how it will it be in the So, basically,

4170
02:53:13,680 --> 02:53:15,920
you're making a HOA, correct, for this?

4171
02:53:15,920 --> 02:53:17,920
Yep. And and then you're going to have

4172
02:53:17,920 --> 02:53:20,319
the 25% rental being enforced through

4173
02:53:20,319 --> 02:53:21,279
the HOA.

4174
02:53:21,279 --> 02:53:23,279
>> Yes. As well as the application that was

4175
02:53:23,279 --> 02:53:25,520
discussed with the prior development.

4176
02:53:25,520 --> 02:53:29,040
>> What would uh So is the HOA board going

4177
02:53:29,040 --> 02:53:31,120
to be like will Clyde be on the HOA

4178
02:53:31,120 --> 02:53:33,439
board? Do you put Do you pretend to have

4179
02:53:33,439 --> 02:53:34,880
control over the HOA?

4180
02:53:34,880 --> 02:53:38,000
>> Um if Clyde owned all of the houses then

4181
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:38,560
we could

4182
02:53:38,560 --> 02:53:39,840
>> then you can't you can't it has to be

4183
02:53:39,840 --> 02:53:40,800
owner

4184
02:53:40,800 --> 02:53:42,720
>> like we'd have to rent them to be able

4185
02:53:42,720 --> 02:53:44,160
which we're not going to do. So

4186
02:53:44,160 --> 02:53:46,880
>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,

4187
02:53:46,880 --> 02:53:48,720
Spencer.

4188
02:53:48,720 --> 02:53:50,000
>> And Chair Garrett, if I could just

4189
02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:52,640
clarify, um,

4190
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:55,120
let's, in case there was any confusion

4191
02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:56,560
about this, I think that we have open

4192
02:53:56,560 --> 02:53:59,439
public comment for both seven and eight,

4193
02:53:59,439 --> 02:54:01,600
right? So that we're not let's not do

4194
02:54:01,600 --> 02:54:03,120
separate public comment for the general

4195
02:54:03,120 --> 02:54:04,720
plan and for the reason. But

4196
02:54:04,720 --> 02:54:06,800
>> thank you, Brian.

4197
02:54:06,800 --> 02:54:08,800
Okay. So, I won't close public comment

4198
02:54:08,800 --> 02:54:11,520
yet until it's clear that this public

4199
02:54:11,520 --> 02:54:14,720
comment applies to both items seven and

4200
02:54:14,720 --> 02:54:16,399
eight

4201
02:54:16,399 --> 02:54:18,560
on the same project. One relative to the

4202
02:54:18,560 --> 02:54:21,120
general plan map designation and the

4203
02:54:21,120 --> 02:54:26,790
other to the zone map classification.

4204
02:54:26,800 --> 02:54:28,720
Seeing no other public comment, all

4205
02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:30,800
close public comment and we'll continue

4206
02:54:30,800 --> 02:54:34,160
with our vote on item seven, the general

4207
02:54:34,160 --> 02:54:38,640
plan map designation. Councelor

4208
02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:39,920
Bogdton.

4209
02:54:39,920 --> 02:54:44,240
>> So Jeff, I think

4210
02:54:44,240 --> 02:54:45,920
>> the homeowners and the homeowner

4211
02:54:45,920 --> 02:54:48,160
association, they can change that 25% in

4212
02:54:48,160 --> 02:54:51,040
their CCNRs, can they?

4213
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:54,560
>> Yes, but they've I think what may not be

4214
02:54:54,560 --> 02:54:57,439
clear here is that I understand. Now,

4215
02:54:57,439 --> 02:54:59,279
let me back up and talk about how this

4216
02:54:59,279 --> 02:55:00,960
done. So we So they have given us a

4217
02:55:00,960 --> 02:55:03,760
draft. Okay. the way and I'm skipping

4218
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:06,000
ahead to number eight, but the but the

4219
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:08,240
reszone item

4220
02:55:08,240 --> 02:55:10,479
does not approve the draft they've

4221
02:55:10,479 --> 02:55:12,160
submitted.

4222
02:55:12,160 --> 02:55:14,479
It says that the mayor is authorized to

4223
02:55:14,479 --> 02:55:16,080
negotiate a development agreement

4224
02:55:16,080 --> 02:55:18,160
consistent with their representations in

4225
02:55:18,160 --> 02:55:20,240
this meeting. So the key here is that if

4226
02:55:20,240 --> 02:55:22,880
there's something that you want that you

4227
02:55:22,880 --> 02:55:24,960
wouldn't vote for the reszone unless

4228
02:55:24,960 --> 02:55:26,640
they promise to do it, you need to make

4229
02:55:26,640 --> 02:55:28,880
sure that they promise to do it on the

4230
02:55:28,880 --> 02:55:30,720
record here in this meeting and then

4231
02:55:30,720 --> 02:55:32,880
that'll get included in the development

4232
02:55:32,880 --> 02:55:35,120
agreement. Now I'm understanding from

4233
02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:37,120
the comments that they've already made

4234
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:39,439
that they are not just relying on the

4235
02:55:39,439 --> 02:55:41,680
CCNRs and the HOA, but that they are

4236
02:55:41,680 --> 02:55:43,439
willing to do the same deed restriction

4237
02:55:43,439 --> 02:55:45,439
process that we talked about in the

4238
02:55:45,439 --> 02:55:48,560
previous item.

4239
02:55:48,560 --> 02:55:50,880
So I I believe they have already made

4240
02:55:50,880 --> 02:55:52,960
that profer and that that would be part

4241
02:55:52,960 --> 02:55:54,479
of what we would put in the final

4242
02:55:54,479 --> 02:55:55,840
development agreement.

4243
02:55:55,840 --> 02:55:58,319
>> Can you specifically say what that

4244
02:55:58,319 --> 02:56:01,040
profer would be? Is that in perpetuity

4245
02:56:01,040 --> 02:56:04,479
two years in perpetuity or is that

4246
02:56:04,479 --> 02:56:06,399
what exactly would that be? They they do

4247
02:56:06,399 --> 02:56:10,240
need to clarify that that point um about

4248
02:56:10,240 --> 02:56:12,399
the now but but let's clarify again

4249
02:56:12,399 --> 02:56:14,160
because it a little bit is a little bit

4250
02:56:14,160 --> 02:56:16,960
confusing because the 75% 25% thing the

4251
02:56:16,960 --> 02:56:20,240
75% is already in perpetuity

4252
02:56:20,240 --> 02:56:22,399
>> because they have said that they can't

4253
02:56:22,399 --> 02:56:25,279
have more than 25% of it rented. So 75%

4254
02:56:25,279 --> 02:56:28,399
of the units must be owner occupied in

4255
02:56:28,399 --> 02:56:30,319
perpetuity. But I think the question

4256
02:56:30,319 --> 02:56:32,399
that councelor Bogdan asked was what's

4257
02:56:32,399 --> 02:56:33,760
the mechanism enforcing that because if

4258
02:56:33,760 --> 02:56:35,920
it's just the CCNRs then the HOA board

4259
02:56:35,920 --> 02:56:37,120
can change it

4260
02:56:37,120 --> 02:56:43,830
>> right and the right yes that's fair

4261
02:56:43,840 --> 02:56:45,279
» and our response to that is that we'll

4262
02:56:45,279 --> 02:56:47,439
plan to use the template as you've as

4263
02:56:47,439 --> 02:56:49,680
you've outlined that gives Proo's law

4264
02:56:49,680 --> 02:56:51,200
enforcement the ability to enforce that

4265
02:56:51,200 --> 02:56:51,760
as well.

4266
02:56:51,760 --> 02:56:55,040
>> Okay, perfect.

4267
02:56:55,040 --> 02:56:56,560
>> I just need to hear you say what that

4268
02:56:56,560 --> 02:56:59,120
means. [laughter]

4269
02:56:59,120 --> 02:57:01,359
That means that for the first two years,

4270
02:57:01,359 --> 02:57:03,840
100% of these houses and and condos will

4271
02:57:03,840 --> 02:57:05,279
be owner occupied. That's what the

4272
02:57:05,279 --> 02:57:06,960
two-year deed restriction is. In

4273
02:57:06,960 --> 02:57:09,680
perpetuity after that, 75% of them will

4274
02:57:09,680 --> 02:57:12,240
be owner occupied. 25% of them can be

4275
02:57:12,240 --> 02:57:13,359
rented.

4276
02:57:13,359 --> 02:57:15,120
>> And that's going to be on the deed

4277
02:57:15,120 --> 02:57:16,080
restrictions.

4278
02:57:16,080 --> 02:57:17,120
>> That's as part of the development

4279
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:17,840
agreement. Yes.

4280
02:57:17,840 --> 02:57:20,080
>> Is that work?

4281
02:57:20,080 --> 02:57:24,720
>> Yes. Well, I want to clarify because of councelor Hoben's comment

4282
02:57:24,720 --> 02:57:26,399
during the last one. I want to clarify.

4283
02:57:26,399 --> 02:57:27,920
I think there was a misinterpretation of

4284
02:57:27,920 --> 02:57:29,600
something I said earlier. I do think

4285
02:57:29,600 --> 02:57:32,319
this works for rentals. My concern was

4286
02:57:32,319 --> 02:57:34,560
that Krice was raising something that to

4287
02:57:34,560 --> 02:57:36,240
my recollection we've never talked about

4288
02:57:36,240 --> 02:57:40,000
before, which is owner occ which is a

4289
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:42,479
unit that is not owner occupied because

4290
02:57:42,479 --> 02:57:44,560
somebody's living in it for free who is

4291
02:57:44,560 --> 02:57:47,120
not the owner. That we haven't thought

4292
02:57:47,120 --> 02:57:49,439
about before. But I do think that all of

4293
02:57:49,439 --> 02:57:51,439
this works if the if the units are being

4294
02:57:51,439 --> 02:57:59,349
rented.

4295
02:57:59,359 --> 02:58:02,800
» Okay. So theoretically it's going to be

4296
02:58:02,800 --> 02:58:05,680
work works. It works and the city can

4297
02:58:05,680 --> 02:58:08,960
enforce on it if 30% of those units are

4298
02:58:08,960 --> 02:58:10,160
rented.

4299
02:58:10,160 --> 02:58:12,160
>> Yes. And we've and we have done this

4300
02:58:12,160 --> 02:58:14,240
we've done that exact model in other

4301
02:58:14,240 --> 02:58:15,680
development agreements before with other

4302
02:58:15,680 --> 02:58:17,600
properties. We haven't had a violation

4303
02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:19,040
yet that in fact I don't know that any

4304
02:58:19,040 --> 02:58:20,160
of the developments have actually

4305
02:58:20,160 --> 02:58:23,359
finished being constructed. But we have

4306
02:58:23,359 --> 02:58:25,359
a deed restriction template. We have

4307
02:58:25,359 --> 02:58:27,279
development agreement language. We have

4308
02:58:27,279 --> 02:58:29,439
the language we need to be able to say

4309
02:58:29,439 --> 02:58:34,560
that if any more than 25% of the units

4310
02:58:34,560 --> 02:58:37,920
in this development are being rented, we

4311
02:58:37,920 --> 02:58:40,960
can deny any unit above the 25% mark a

4312
02:58:40,960 --> 02:58:42,479
rental dwelling license and then

4313
02:58:42,479 --> 02:58:44,240
prosecute them for renting without it

4314
02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:46,240
license. That's how we understand it as

4315
02:58:46,240 --> 02:58:46,560
well.

4316
02:58:46,560 --> 02:58:49,279
>> How do you tell which ones by right can

4317
02:58:49,279 --> 02:58:51,840
rent and which ones can't?

4318
02:58:51,840 --> 02:58:53,840
>> Well, I think our enforcement would be

4319
02:58:53,840 --> 02:58:56,399
based on time. Now, that and right, the

4320
02:58:56,399 --> 02:58:58,479
first 25% would be the ones that we

4321
02:58:58,479 --> 02:58:59,920
would give a pass to and as soon as

4322
02:58:59,920 --> 02:59:01,680
somebody above that rented, we would

4323
02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:03,279
prosecute them.

4324
02:59:03,279 --> 02:59:05,040
>> Thank you.

4325
02:59:05,040 --> 02:59:08,240
>> Quick question to follow up on that. So

4326
02:59:08,240 --> 02:59:11,359
the people who get in on that 25% would

4327
02:59:11,359 --> 02:59:13,200
be the order in which they apply for

4328
02:59:13,200 --> 02:59:16,080
their rental dwelling license if I'm

4329
02:59:16,080 --> 02:59:18,000
understanding correctly. So if they were

4330
02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:19,600
renting it out without the rental

4331
02:59:19,600 --> 02:59:21,600
dwelling license, they wouldn't have

4332
02:59:21,600 --> 02:59:24,319
their place secured in that queue or to

4333
02:59:24,319 --> 02:59:26,640
be part of that 25% and they could just

4334
02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:29,279
be enforced on.

4335
02:59:29,279 --> 02:59:30,720
>> Yes.

4336
02:59:30,720 --> 02:59:35,279
And would it make sense to have any

4337
02:59:35,279 --> 02:59:40,240
penalties attached to the HOA as well

4338
02:59:40,240 --> 02:59:42,880
instead of just the original or the

4339
02:59:42,880 --> 02:59:46,080
individual property owners? because this

4340
02:59:46,080 --> 02:59:47,840
is kind of a community enforcement

4341
02:59:47,840 --> 02:59:50,880
thing. If we've got this in the CCNRs,

4342
02:59:50,880 --> 02:59:53,760
but we're if we're relying on that

4343
02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:56,080
entity to be that first level of

4344
02:59:56,080 --> 02:59:59,200
policing, um would it make sense for

4345
02:59:59,200 --> 03:00:02,479
there be penalties to that entity for

4346
03:00:02,479 --> 03:00:06,160
failing to do that?

4347
03:00:06,160 --> 03:00:10,880
>> I think that's uh up to

4348
03:00:10,880 --> 03:00:15,670
the council. Um,

4349
03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:18,399
yeah, I we haven't done that in the

4350
03:00:18,399 --> 03:00:20,560
past. I certainly we we are expecting

4351
03:00:20,560 --> 03:00:22,800
the HOA to enforce and we would want

4352
03:00:22,800 --> 03:00:25,600
them to be the first enforcer. So, I

4353
03:00:25,600 --> 03:00:27,680
don't know for sure what those penalties

4354
03:00:27,680 --> 03:00:31,040
would be. We would have to actually

4355
03:00:31,040 --> 03:00:35,990
build those somehow into

4356
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:37,439
Yeah, I'm not quite sure. I'm not quite

4357
03:00:37,439 --> 03:00:38,640
sure how to do that because

4358
03:00:38,640 --> 03:00:40,880
>> Yeah, that's why I was wondering like we

4359
03:00:40,880 --> 03:00:43,200
don't have a mechanism in place for that

4360
03:00:43,200 --> 03:00:44,319
already.

4361
03:00:44,319 --> 03:00:44,960
>> Yeah.

4362
03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:47,200
>> Okay. I mean that that makes sense and

4363
03:00:47,200 --> 03:00:50,720
honestly I think um this would encourage

4364
03:00:50,720 --> 03:00:53,040
anybody in that development to really be

4365
03:00:53,040 --> 03:00:55,359
sure that they properly do their rental

4366
03:00:55,359 --> 03:00:58,560
dwelling license application in a timely

4367
03:00:58,560 --> 03:01:00,560
manner because otherwise they're not

4368
03:01:00,560 --> 03:01:03,200
going to have a chance to to do that.

4369
03:01:03,200 --> 03:01:10,389
Um, would we also be keeping track of

4370
03:01:10,399 --> 03:01:13,279
like if if we drop down like somebody

4371
03:01:13,279 --> 03:01:17,279
doesn't renew their RDL and so like

4372
03:01:17,279 --> 03:01:19,439
could they lose the right to rent their

4373
03:01:19,439 --> 03:01:22,000
home because theirs is expired and

4374
03:01:22,000 --> 03:01:23,279
somebody else hops in with their

4375
03:01:23,279 --> 03:01:27,349
application?

4376
03:01:27,359 --> 03:01:30,479
» Good question. [laughter]

4377
03:01:30,479 --> 03:01:32,319
I would probably advocate for not doing

4378
03:01:32,319 --> 03:01:33,920
it that way, but that would be something

4379
03:01:33,920 --> 03:01:38,080
we would need to um clarify or it's

4380
03:01:38,080 --> 03:01:40,960
going to be up to enforcement at the

4381
03:01:40,960 --> 03:01:42,720
time that it happens.

4382
03:01:42,720 --> 03:01:45,040
>> Do we does our enforcement generally

4383
03:01:45,040 --> 03:01:48,560
send notices that, hey, you're RDL is

4384
03:01:48,560 --> 03:01:50,399
about to expire. If you're continuing to

4385
03:01:50,399 --> 03:01:52,399
rent your property, you might want to

4386
03:01:52,399 --> 03:01:54,720
fill out this thing to let us know that

4387
03:01:54,720 --> 03:01:58,000
you're continuing to rent.

4388
03:01:58,000 --> 03:01:59,920
I don't believe so, but I don't know

4389
03:01:59,920 --> 03:02:02,080
that for sure.

4390
03:02:02,080 --> 03:02:03,279
>> That that might be a

4391
03:02:03,279 --> 03:02:05,520
>> Oh, Malia is giving a thumbs up that

4392
03:02:05,520 --> 03:02:06,800
they do do that.

4393
03:02:06,800 --> 03:02:11,920
>> Okay. Well, in that case, then they've got at least constructive notice

4394
03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:13,439
that they would need to do it. So, I'd

4395
03:02:13,439 --> 03:02:16,319
feel okay about that.

4396
03:02:16,319 --> 03:02:18,160
>> Thank you, Councelor Whipple.

4397
03:02:18,160 --> 03:02:20,080
>> Thanks.

4398
03:02:20,080 --> 03:02:22,720
>> Okay, we'll call for a vote then on

4399
03:02:22,720 --> 03:02:26,160
this. Oh, councelor Hovind. Yeah, I just

4400
03:02:26,160 --> 03:02:28,560
I think some of these comments and

4401
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:30,319
questions, it just seems like we are

4402
03:02:30,319 --> 03:02:33,120
creating a nightmare for ourselves. And

4403
03:02:33,120 --> 03:02:35,520
I don't know how this is really from a

4404
03:02:35,520 --> 03:02:36,720
practical standpoint going to be

4405
03:02:36,720 --> 03:02:39,600
enforcable, but I have all the faith in

4406
03:02:39,600 --> 03:02:41,200
the world that Brian can figure this

4407
03:02:41,200 --> 03:02:43,520
out, but I just I'm worried about what

4408
03:02:43,520 --> 03:02:45,520
we're what we're handing off to the

4409
03:02:45,520 --> 03:02:48,000
administration and what they're going to

4410
03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:50,880
have to deal with. And it seems a lot

4411
03:02:50,880 --> 03:02:52,640
messier than some of the other ones that

4412
03:02:52,640 --> 03:02:54,080
we've done, but maybe it's just my

4413
03:02:54,080 --> 03:02:55,279
perception. And I don't know.

4414
03:02:55,279 --> 03:02:57,040
>> I don't think it's messier than other

4415
03:02:57,040 --> 03:02:59,920
Well, it's messier. Yes, you're right.

4416
03:02:59,920 --> 03:03:01,600
It It's messier than other ones we've

4417
03:03:01,600 --> 03:03:03,840
done because we because we haven't done

4418
03:03:03,840 --> 03:03:05,760
one before where we had this percentage,

4419
03:03:05,760 --> 03:03:08,080
right? Before it was just

4420
03:03:08,080 --> 03:03:09,760
>> none of them can be

4421
03:03:09,760 --> 03:03:11,760
>> or a percentage of them can be.

4422
03:03:11,760 --> 03:03:14,479
>> Um, well, we have we have we did do one

4423
03:03:14,479 --> 03:03:16,160
with a percentage before. I think we're

4424
03:03:16,160 --> 03:03:17,680
just asking questions we haven't asked

4425
03:03:17,680 --> 03:03:19,760
before. [laughter]

4426
03:03:19,760 --> 03:03:22,319
>> And and and you're right. I mean, I was

4427
03:03:22,319 --> 03:03:24,000
actually having a text conversation with

4428
03:03:24,000 --> 03:03:26,000
a former member of our office who's

4429
03:03:26,000 --> 03:03:28,720
watching the meeting and is the single

4430
03:03:28,720 --> 03:03:31,279
greatest danger to enforcement here is

4431
03:03:31,279 --> 03:03:33,600
lack of interest in the enforcement,

4432
03:03:33,600 --> 03:03:35,680
right? I mean,

4433
03:03:35,680 --> 03:03:37,680
this is a priority for the council now

4434
03:03:37,680 --> 03:03:41,600
and we and I I am confident that this

4435
03:03:41,600 --> 03:03:43,120
mechanism

4436
03:03:43,120 --> 03:03:45,920
can work.

4437
03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:47,520
Somebody at the city's got to make it

4438
03:03:47,520 --> 03:03:49,920
work 5 years from now, 10 years from

4439
03:03:49,920 --> 03:03:53,439
now. But the alternative is nothing,

4440
03:03:53,439 --> 03:03:55,920
right? Because there's there's not I

4441
03:03:55,920 --> 03:03:57,680
mean there's not some alternative out. I

4442
03:03:57,680 --> 03:03:59,840
mean the alternative is to just not

4443
03:03:59,840 --> 03:04:03,600
approve any deals

4444
03:04:03,600 --> 03:04:04,399
>> ever.

4445
03:04:04,399 --> 03:04:06,640
>> Well, yeah. I mean or just have the two

4446
03:04:06,640 --> 03:04:08,640
years and then

4447
03:04:08,640 --> 03:04:10,560
it there's not a percentage after that.

4448
03:04:10,560 --> 03:04:12,880
>> Right. Right. But even even

4449
03:04:12,880 --> 03:04:15,520
>> that's that's easier to enforce than I

4450
03:04:15,520 --> 03:04:16,880
mean if you know for two years there's

4451
03:04:16,880 --> 03:04:18,479
no rentals at that place. It's a lot

4452
03:04:18,479 --> 03:04:20,240
easier to enforce than oh we're going to

4453
03:04:20,240 --> 03:04:22,640
have 25% okay now one's in and one's out

4454
03:04:22,640 --> 03:04:25,200
and you know just managing that I just I

4455
03:04:25,200 --> 03:04:27,760
don't All right it doesn't seem like

4456
03:04:27,760 --> 03:04:30,240
there's an answer but I sure am good at

4457
03:04:30,240 --> 03:04:35,030
finding complaints

4458
03:04:35,040 --> 03:04:37,439
» okay we'll call for a vote on the motion

4459
03:04:37,439 --> 03:04:39,760
this is item seven amending the general

4460
03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:42,960
plan map designation councelor Bgden

4461
03:04:42,960 --> 03:04:44,880
>> yes

4462
03:04:44,880 --> 03:04:46,399
>> councelor Hoben

4463
03:04:46,399 --> 03:04:48,479
>> yes to the new development called Hoben

4464
03:04:48,479 --> 03:04:49,760
Rising.

4465
03:04:49,760 --> 03:04:52,240
>> Yes.

4466
03:04:52,240 --> 03:04:54,080
>> Councelor Whipple.

4467
03:04:54,080 --> 03:04:55,920
>> Yes. [laughter]

4468
03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:57,920
>> Councelor Garrett. Yes. Councelor

4469
03:04:57,920 --> 03:04:58,640
Whitlock.

4470
03:04:58,640 --> 03:04:59,920
>> Yes.

4471
03:04:59,920 --> 03:05:02,800
>> The motion passes 5-0 with counselors

4472
03:05:02,800 --> 03:05:08,262
McKay and Christensen excused.

4473
03:05:08,272 --> 03:05:09,680
» [clears throat]

4474
03:05:09,680 --> 03:05:12,800
>> Now on to item eight, which is the

4475
03:05:12,800 --> 03:05:15,040
ordinance amending the zone map

4476
03:05:15,040 --> 03:05:18,720
classification of the same development.

4477
03:05:18,720 --> 03:05:22,560
>> Brian, did we need to do a second vote?

4478
03:05:22,560 --> 03:05:25,303
>> Um, that's how we've normally done.

4479
03:05:25,303 --> 03:05:26,560
[clears throat] I mean, Jeff Jeff's

4480
03:05:26,560 --> 03:05:29,520
motion did imply approval, but normally

4481
03:05:29,520 --> 03:05:31,520
uh based on our rules, we would have

4482
03:05:31,520 --> 03:05:36,800
considered that motion to only add the red line to it. And now you're

4483
03:05:36,800 --> 03:05:39,439
voting on the amended. So you're voting

4484
03:05:39,439 --> 03:05:41,439
on the implied motion as amended by

4485
03:05:41,439 --> 03:05:45,439
Jeff's motion for number seven. But it

4486
03:05:45,439 --> 03:05:47,359
you don't need a discussion. You just

4487
03:05:47,359 --> 03:05:48,560
vote on that.

4488
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:58,950
>> Okay.

4489
03:05:58,960 --> 03:06:02,080
» We're voting on item seven as amended.

4490
03:06:02,080 --> 03:06:03,600
Councelor Bogden.

4491
03:06:03,600 --> 03:06:04,000
>> Yes.

4492
03:06:04,000 --> 03:06:05,840
>> Councelor Hoben. Yes.

4493
03:06:05,840 --> 03:06:07,200
>> Councelor Whipple.

4494
03:06:07,200 --> 03:06:07,840
>> Yes.

4495
03:06:07,840 --> 03:06:09,840
>> Councelor Garrett. Yes. Councelor

4496
03:06:09,840 --> 03:06:10,560
Whitlock.

4497
03:06:10,560 --> 03:06:11,600
>> Yes.

4498
03:06:11,600 --> 03:06:15,120
>> The vote passes. The item passes 50 with

4499
03:06:15,120 --> 03:06:18,560
councils McKay and Christensen excused.

4500
03:06:18,560 --> 03:06:20,979
Okay. Now on to item eight, which is

4501
03:06:20,979 --> 03:06:22,080
[clears throat] amending the zone map

4502
03:06:22,080 --> 03:06:23,359
classification.

4503
03:06:23,359 --> 03:06:26,000
>> Can you put it up, Kevin? Uh because I'm

4504
03:06:26,000 --> 03:06:28,000
gonna I'm gonna make you go through the

4505
03:06:28,000 --> 03:06:30,399
whole entire same convoluted procedure

4506
03:06:30,399 --> 03:06:32,160
except that there's an easier way to do

4507
03:06:32,160 --> 03:06:34,160
this. So Kevin, if you can go to part

4508
03:06:34,160 --> 03:06:37,520
two in the word document of number

4509
03:06:37,520 --> 03:06:41,670
eight.

4510
03:06:41,680 --> 03:07:05,269
» Okay.

4511
03:07:05,279 --> 03:07:09,279
if you scroll down to part two,

4512
03:07:09,279 --> 03:07:11,120
um that last sentence, zone map

4513
03:07:11,120 --> 03:07:12,479
classification change described in part

4514
03:07:12,479 --> 03:07:14,080
one is not effective until the date of

4515
03:07:14,080 --> 03:07:15,600
final execution of the development

4516
03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:18,960
agreement and the relevant interlocal

4517
03:07:18,960 --> 03:07:21,359
cooperation agreement

4518
03:07:21,359 --> 03:07:28,150
with Springville.

4519
03:07:28,160 --> 03:07:30,880
Okay. So, uh based on our prior

4520
03:07:30,880 --> 03:07:32,560
discussions, my suggestion would be that

4521
03:07:32,560 --> 03:07:34,640
someone make a motion to add that

4522
03:07:34,640 --> 03:07:36,960
language

4523
03:07:36,960 --> 03:07:39,200
and then after that motion passes,

4524
03:07:39,200 --> 03:07:41,920
you'll have to vote on the as amended

4525
03:07:41,920 --> 03:07:43,600
ordinance.

4526
03:07:43,600 --> 03:07:45,760
>> Okay. So, I'll look for a motion then on

4527
03:07:45,760 --> 03:07:49,760
this resolution as amended

4528
03:07:49,760 --> 03:07:52,160
>> to to amend it. To amend it.

4529
03:07:52,160 --> 03:07:54,880
>> Yeah.

4530
03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:57,840
All right. I'd like to make a motion uh

4531
03:07:57,840 --> 03:08:01,840
that we update the uh we pass the

4532
03:08:01,840 --> 03:08:03,120
ordinance amending the zone map

4533
03:08:03,120 --> 03:08:05,279
classification of the property located

4534
03:08:05,279 --> 03:08:09,040
at 3657 South Sierra Vista Way from the

4535
03:08:09,040 --> 03:08:11,279
planned commercial industrial zone to

4536
03:08:11,279 --> 03:08:13,279
the median density residential zone and

4537
03:08:13,279 --> 03:08:16,399
the general commercial zones. and

4538
03:08:16,399 --> 03:08:18,960
subject to the updated language

4539
03:08:18,960 --> 03:08:21,600
requiring that the interlocal

4540
03:08:21,600 --> 03:08:23,200
cooperation agreement with Springville

4541
03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:24,880
be executed.

4542
03:08:24,880 --> 03:08:26,479
>> Thank you, Councelor Whitlock. Do we

4543
03:08:26,479 --> 03:08:27,359
have a second?

4544
03:08:27,359 --> 03:08:28,479
>> I will second that.

4545
03:08:28,479 --> 03:08:30,560
>> Councelor Bodden. Thank you. Is there

4546
03:08:30,560 --> 03:08:32,800
any discussion?

4547
03:08:32,800 --> 03:08:34,479
>> Do a quick discussion. Is fun hazing

4548
03:08:34,479 --> 03:08:36,720
you, Jeff.

4549
03:08:36,720 --> 03:08:40,870
>> I'm the only freshman.

4550
03:08:40,880 --> 03:08:42,319
» All right, I'll call for a vote.

4551
03:08:42,319 --> 03:08:43,680
Councelor Hoben.

4552
03:08:43,680 --> 03:08:49,030
>> Yes. Councelor Whipple,

4553
03:08:49,040 --> 03:08:49,920
» yes.

4554
03:08:49,920 --> 03:08:51,920
>> Councelor Garrett, yes. Councelor

4555
03:08:51,920 --> 03:08:52,720
Whitlock,

4556
03:08:52,720 --> 03:08:53,120
>> yes.

4557
03:08:53,120 --> 03:08:54,319
>> Councelor Bognet,

4558
03:08:54,319 --> 03:08:55,040
>> yes.

4559
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:58,560
>> The motion passes by a vote 50-0 with

4560
03:08:58,560 --> 03:09:00,560
counselors McKay and Christensen

4561
03:09:00,560 --> 03:09:04,479
excused. I'll We'll now vote on the

4562
03:09:04,479 --> 03:09:06,880
>> implied motion.

4563
03:09:06,880 --> 03:09:10,880
>> as amended.

4564
03:09:10,880 --> 03:09:12,720
>> Councelor Hogan.

4565
03:09:12,720 --> 03:09:16,790
>> Yes. Councelor Whipple,

4566
03:09:16,800 --> 03:09:17,680
» yes.

4567
03:09:17,680 --> 03:09:19,359
>> Councelor Garrett, yes. Councelor

4568
03:09:19,359 --> 03:09:20,160
Whitlock,

4569
03:09:20,160 --> 03:09:20,960
>> yes.

4570
03:09:20,960 --> 03:09:22,240
>> Councelor Bogden,

4571
03:09:22,240 --> 03:09:22,880
>> yes.

4572
03:09:22,880 --> 03:09:26,000
>> That motion also passes by a vote of 5-0

4573
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:28,560
with counselors McKay and Christensen

4574
03:09:28,560 --> 03:09:31,830
excused.

4575
03:09:31,840 --> 03:09:35,439
We'll now turn to item 10 on our agenda,

4576
03:09:35,439 --> 03:09:38,080
a resolution approving the appropriation

4577
03:09:38,080 --> 03:09:42,710
of $14,1711

4578
03:09:42,720 --> 03:09:45,520
in the general fund for a contractual

4579
03:09:45,520 --> 03:09:48,000
sales tax increment post-performance

4580
03:09:48,000 --> 03:09:50,960
payment today's market presented by Cody

4581
03:09:50,960 --> 03:09:54,070
Hill.

4582
03:09:54,080 --> 03:09:56,000
» Thank you again, Council Member Garrett

4583
03:09:56,000 --> 03:09:59,040
and council members. So this budget

4584
03:09:59,040 --> 03:10:01,200
appropriation request is to fulfill our

4585
03:10:01,200 --> 03:10:03,200
obligation to today's market. We entered

4586
03:10:03,200 --> 03:10:06,479
into an agreement with them in 2019 for

4587
03:10:06,479 --> 03:10:09,120
the remittance of sales tax increment.

4588
03:10:09,120 --> 03:10:13,200
Their base year value is about $39,000

4589
03:10:13,200 --> 03:10:17,200
of um sales tax revenues to Provo City.

4590
03:10:17,200 --> 03:10:20,960
And the formula is that we take what we

4591
03:10:20,960 --> 03:10:23,040
have collected in a year, subtract that

4592
03:10:23,040 --> 03:10:25,279
base year value, and then half goes to

4593
03:10:25,279 --> 03:10:26,880
today's market and half goes to Provo

4594
03:10:26,880 --> 03:10:29,760
City uh with a $100,000 cap. And that

4595
03:10:29,760 --> 03:10:32,880
$100,000 was used uh to cover costs

4596
03:10:32,880 --> 03:10:34,560
associated with uh improvements to

4597
03:10:34,560 --> 03:10:37,920
today's market. And uh we've definitely

4598
03:10:37,920 --> 03:10:39,840
seen uh an impressive return on that

4599
03:10:39,840 --> 03:10:41,520
adjusting for inflation as we discussed

4600
03:10:41,520 --> 03:10:44,640
in the work session. Um we've seen 111%

4601
03:10:44,640 --> 03:10:47,760
increase in the amount of sales tax

4602
03:10:47,760 --> 03:10:51,359
revenues to the city. And so um as

4603
03:10:51,359 --> 03:10:54,160
calculated this $14,171

4604
03:10:54,160 --> 03:10:57,279
would fulfill that obligation and they I

4605
03:10:57,279 --> 03:10:59,279
estimate that they will reach that cap

4606
03:10:59,279 --> 03:11:02,800
next year even though there are um it

4607
03:11:02,800 --> 03:11:04,960
will be done two and a half years early.

4608
03:11:04,960 --> 03:11:07,520
So happy to.

4609
03:11:07,520 --> 03:11:09,279
>> Great. Thank you. We have

4610
03:11:09,279 --> 03:11:12,319
>> any questions for Cody?

4611
03:11:12,319 --> 03:11:14,960
>> Thank you. This item is open for public

4612
03:11:14,960 --> 03:11:17,120
comment if anyone wishes to make a

4613
03:11:17,120 --> 03:11:19,200
comment.

4614
03:11:19,200 --> 03:11:21,600
If not, we'll close public comment and

4615
03:11:21,600 --> 03:11:25,910
invite council discussion.

4616
03:11:25,920 --> 03:11:28,160
Councelor Whitlock.

4617
03:11:28,160 --> 03:11:30,240
I'd just like to make a comment that I

4618
03:11:30,240 --> 03:11:33,200
love to see a small neighborhood ger be

4619
03:11:33,200 --> 03:11:35,359
so successful. and I hope we can get

4620
03:11:35,359 --> 03:11:37,760
more of them in Provo.

4621
03:11:37,760 --> 03:11:39,920
>> Thank you.

4622
03:11:39,920 --> 03:11:41,520
If there's no other discussion, we'll

4623
03:11:41,520 --> 03:11:43,600
call for a vote.

4624
03:11:43,600 --> 03:11:45,520
>> Councelor Whipple,

4625
03:11:45,520 --> 03:11:46,640
>> yes.

4626
03:11:46,640 --> 03:11:48,240
>> Councelor Garrett, yes. Councelor

4627
03:11:48,240 --> 03:11:49,760
Whitlock,

4628
03:11:49,760 --> 03:11:50,160
>> yes.

4629
03:11:50,160 --> 03:11:51,279
>> Councelor Boggen,

4630
03:11:51,279 --> 03:11:51,680
>> yes.

4631
03:11:51,680 --> 03:11:53,040
>> And councelor Hoben,

4632
03:11:53,040 --> 03:11:55,600
>> yes. That motion passes by a vote of

4633
03:11:55,600 --> 03:11:58,319
five to zero with councilors McKay and

4634
03:11:58,319 --> 03:12:00,319
Christensen

4635
03:12:00,319 --> 03:12:02,800
excused.

4636
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:06,000
We'll now move to item 11, a resolution

4637
03:12:06,000 --> 03:12:08,240
appointing an executive director for the

4638
03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:13,429
Provo Municipal Council.

4639
03:12:13,439 --> 03:12:14,960
Rachel, do you know who's presenting

4640
03:12:14,960 --> 03:12:17,279
this item? Because it was supposed to be

4641
03:12:17,279 --> 03:12:22,533
our council chair who's out of town.

4642
03:12:22,543 --> 03:12:35,349
[laughter]

4643
03:12:35,359 --> 03:12:37,680
We were um [clears throat]

4644
03:12:37,680 --> 03:12:41,520
sad to lose our executive director last

4645
03:12:41,520 --> 03:12:44,319
month. Justin

4646
03:12:44,319 --> 03:12:47,359
served our council for four to six

4647
03:12:47,359 --> 03:12:49,520
years, I think, and was outstanding in

4648
03:12:49,520 --> 03:12:52,560
every way. He accepted a similar job

4649
03:12:52,560 --> 03:12:55,120
back in uh [clears throat] Nevada where

4650
03:12:55,120 --> 03:12:58,640
he was before coming to Provo, but um

4651
03:12:58,640 --> 03:13:06,319
really served us well. After much uh we opened this position to um

4652
03:13:06,319 --> 03:13:09,120
uh the public and we received many

4653
03:13:09,120 --> 03:13:12,560
applications which were screened. The

4654
03:13:12,560 --> 03:13:14,560
council as a whole participated in

4655
03:13:14,560 --> 03:13:18,000
interviews of top candidates and um

4656
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:22,160
unanimously we selected

4657
03:13:22,160 --> 03:13:26,720
Ezraire who is actually here. Ezra we

4658
03:13:26,720 --> 03:13:30,560
can wave stand and wave.

4659
03:13:30,560 --> 03:13:31,840
Ezra [clears throat]

4660
03:13:31,840 --> 03:13:34,239
previously served on the council for

4661
03:13:34,239 --> 03:13:37,600
Vineyard and also is employed by Utah

4662
03:13:37,600 --> 03:13:40,000
County. He brings with him significant

4663
03:13:40,000 --> 03:13:42,880
experience in council government and

4664
03:13:42,880 --> 03:13:45,359
municipal government and with an

4665
03:13:45,359 --> 03:13:48,640
influence by county service as well. So

4666
03:13:48,640 --> 03:13:52,640
we're grateful to um have him with us.

4667
03:13:52,640 --> 03:13:55,200
We will Is there any discussion

4668
03:13:55,200 --> 03:14:00,239
regarding this motion to appoint him?

4669
03:14:00,239 --> 03:14:02,399
just pointing out that it was uh we got

4670
03:14:02,399 --> 03:14:05,120
a lot of really great applications and

4671
03:14:05,120 --> 03:14:07,279
we interviewed a number of them and it

4672
03:14:07,279 --> 03:14:09,600
was uh a hard decision but not that

4673
03:14:09,600 --> 03:14:11,920
hard. We're very happy to have you.

4674
03:14:11,920 --> 03:14:14,549
>> It was it was a hard decision.

4675
03:14:14,549 --> 03:14:15,120
[clears throat]

4676
03:14:15,120 --> 03:14:20,630
Okay, I'll call for a vote then.

4677
03:14:20,640 --> 03:14:22,319
Councelor Garrett, yes. Councelor

4678
03:14:22,319 --> 03:14:23,680
Whitlock,

4679
03:14:23,680 --> 03:14:24,319
>> yes.

4680
03:14:24,319 --> 03:14:25,439
>> Councelor Bogden,

4681
03:14:25,439 --> 03:14:25,840
>> yes.

4682
03:14:25,840 --> 03:14:27,200
>> Councelor Hoben,

4683
03:14:27,200 --> 03:14:30,399
>> emphatically, yes. Councelor Whipple.

4684
03:14:30,399 --> 03:14:32,399
>> Yes.

4685
03:14:32,399 --> 03:14:35,840
>> So that motion passes by a vote of 50-0

4686
03:14:35,840 --> 03:14:38,640
with councilors McKay and Christensen

4687
03:14:38,640 --> 03:14:41,279
excused. Welcome Ezra. We look forward

4688
03:14:41,279 --> 03:14:43,680
to working with you and [clears throat]

4689
03:14:43,680 --> 03:14:45,840
trust that you'll help us find ways that

4690
03:14:45,840 --> 03:14:48,239
we can make our council meetings

4691
03:14:48,239 --> 03:14:52,550
shorter.

4692
03:14:52,560 --> 03:14:55,600
Item 12, an ordinance amending the zone

4693
03:14:55,600 --> 03:14:57,760
map classification of real property

4694
03:14:57,760 --> 03:15:01,279
generally located at 1804 North Geneva

4695
03:15:01,279 --> 03:15:03,600
Road from the one family residential

4696
03:15:03,600 --> 03:15:06,640
zone to the specific development plan

4697
03:15:06,640 --> 03:15:08,160
SDP

4698
03:15:08,160 --> 03:15:11,680
uh zone. This is in the Lake View North

4699
03:15:11,680 --> 03:15:15,520
neighborhood presented by Dustin Wright.

4700
03:15:15,520 --> 03:15:17,120
All right. Thank you very much, council.

4701
03:15:17,120 --> 03:15:21,040
So, this property here, it's a 10acre uh

4702
03:15:21,040 --> 03:15:25,120
piece of land over on Geneva Road. Uh

4703
03:15:25,120 --> 03:15:26,560
the applicant is looking to create a

4704
03:15:26,560 --> 03:15:28,479
single family residential subdivision

4705
03:15:28,479 --> 03:15:31,200
here and looking to uh reszone the

4706
03:15:31,200 --> 03:15:34,560
property. So, here highlighted in red is

4707
03:15:34,560 --> 03:15:38,560
the proposed uh subdivision layout of of

4708
03:15:38,560 --> 03:15:41,279
this land, single family residential

4709
03:15:41,279 --> 03:15:42,880
lots,

4710
03:15:42,880 --> 03:15:49,670
uh 8,500 square feet and larger. Um

4711
03:15:49,680 --> 03:15:52,319
there we go. So here is the existing

4712
03:15:52,319 --> 03:15:56,720
current zone is the single family R120.

4713
03:15:56,720 --> 03:16:00,239
And our general plan uh has a a

4714
03:16:00,239 --> 03:16:02,080
designation here for this area to be the

4715
03:16:02,080 --> 03:16:06,160
SDP4 uh zone. And that's what they're

4716
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:10,319
requesting and it um fits uh with what

4717
03:16:10,319 --> 03:16:13,439
uh that map there shows as far as uh

4718
03:16:13,439 --> 03:16:17,520
units go um or lots uh just the

4719
03:16:17,520 --> 03:16:19,600
configuration of the the street network

4720
03:16:19,600 --> 03:16:22,239
has has changed but other than that it's

4721
03:16:22,239 --> 03:16:24,960
generally going to be the same there. So

4722
03:16:24,960 --> 03:16:26,960
uh pretty straightforward. Any questions

4723
03:16:26,960 --> 03:16:28,560
you'd have for me I'd be happy to answer

4724
03:16:28,560 --> 03:16:30,560
those.

4725
03:16:30,560 --> 03:16:41,590
Any questions for Dustin?

4726
03:16:41,600 --> 03:16:43,520
Okay. Thank you, Dustin. We'll open this

4727
03:16:43,520 --> 03:16:51,830
item for public comment.

4728
03:16:51,840 --> 03:16:54,239
Is the developer here?

4729
03:16:54,239 --> 03:16:56,479
Would you uh like to come forward and

4730
03:16:56,479 --> 03:16:58,399
make any comment and then we'll see if

4731
03:16:58,399 --> 03:17:00,160
we have any questions for you. Thank

4732
03:17:00,160 --> 03:17:04,309
you.

4733
03:17:04,319 --> 03:17:07,200
My name is Jay Henry. Live in

4734
03:17:07,200 --> 03:17:10,560
ORM about a mile from the property.

4735
03:17:10,560 --> 03:17:12,239
We've owned the property for about six

4736
03:17:12,239 --> 03:17:15,920
years and uh just looking to develop it.

4737
03:17:15,920 --> 03:17:17,279
We bought it with the intent of

4738
03:17:17,279 --> 03:17:19,520
developing it. We've had to wait for

4739
03:17:19,520 --> 03:17:22,640
about well six years now for the sewer

4740
03:17:22,640 --> 03:17:24,640
and water to get to the property so we

4741
03:17:24,640 --> 03:17:28,640
could but uh we tried another plan here

4742
03:17:28,640 --> 03:17:32,239
about four years ago of twin homes and

4743
03:17:32,239 --> 03:17:34,479
we were turned down on that and so we

4744
03:17:34,479 --> 03:17:40,239
went back to the general plan and so our plan here has been explained is

4745
03:17:40,239 --> 03:17:43,040
directly in line with what the general

4746
03:17:43,040 --> 03:17:46,160
plan is. In fact, if you look at the our

4747
03:17:46,160 --> 03:17:48,319
property there on the bottom and you

4748
03:17:48,319 --> 03:17:50,080
count the number of lots, there's 34

4749
03:17:50,080 --> 03:17:52,720
lots in the general plan and there's 34

4750
03:17:52,720 --> 03:17:54,479
lots in our development. So,

4751
03:17:54,479 --> 03:17:55,120
>> great.

4752
03:17:55,120 --> 03:17:57,279
>> We look forward to moving forward with

4753
03:17:57,279 --> 03:17:58,479
it. So, thank you very much.

4754
03:17:58,479 --> 03:17:59,920
>> Thank you, Jay. Any questions for the

4755
03:17:59,920 --> 03:18:04,229
developer for Jay? Councelor Bogden.

4756
03:18:04,239 --> 03:18:05,600
» In the planning commission, they

4757
03:18:05,600 --> 03:18:08,800
recommended having a walking path open.

4758
03:18:08,800 --> 03:18:12,319
Have you talked to Ben about this?

4759
03:18:12,319 --> 03:18:14,080
>> To to who? Ben May.

4760
03:18:14,080 --> 03:18:16,560
>> Ben May, you know, I've met several

4761
03:18:16,560 --> 03:18:19,520
times with Ben May. I don't know if he

4762
03:18:19,520 --> 03:18:21,760
would have I I didn't discuss this item.

4763
03:18:21,760 --> 03:18:23,439
He had several concerns,

4764
03:18:23,439 --> 03:18:24,960
>> right? I know

4765
03:18:24,960 --> 03:18:27,600
>> about it. And to my knowledge, we've

4766
03:18:27,600 --> 03:18:29,840
ironed out all of his issues and

4767
03:18:29,840 --> 03:18:32,160
concerns. I didn't know he was involved

4768
03:18:32,160 --> 03:18:33,840
in this specific one.

4769
03:18:33,840 --> 03:18:37,840
>> No, he wasn't. But I knowing Ben

4770
03:18:37,840 --> 03:18:40,080
>> and I'm not and I'm trying not to speak

4771
03:18:40,080 --> 03:18:41,840
for him. That's why I'm asking if you

4772
03:18:41,840 --> 03:18:43,040
asked him.

4773
03:18:43,040 --> 03:18:43,359
>> Yeah,

4774
03:18:43,359 --> 03:18:45,120
>> I can imagine if he doesn't want a

4775
03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:48,080
stubbed road to go to his property.

4776
03:18:48,080 --> 03:18:50,880
>> He doesn't want pedestrian access for to

4777
03:18:50,880 --> 03:18:52,399
me that would create more trespass

4778
03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:53,520
opportunities.

4779
03:18:53,520 --> 03:18:53,920
>> Yeah,

4780
03:18:53,920 --> 03:18:57,520
>> I can imagine Ben would strongly object

4781
03:18:57,520 --> 03:18:59,680
to having a pedestrian path.

4782
03:18:59,680 --> 03:19:00,880
>> Oh,

4783
03:19:00,880 --> 03:19:03,279
>> stubbing at his property. And that's why

4784
03:19:03,279 --> 03:19:05,200
I'm wondering, did you chat with Ben

4785
03:19:05,200 --> 03:19:05,760
about that?

4786
03:19:05,760 --> 03:19:08,640
>> Oh, I see. Okay. The issue was the the

4787
03:19:08,640 --> 03:19:10,720
path to the church property, not to

4788
03:19:10,720 --> 03:19:13,040
Ben's property, but the planning

4789
03:19:13,040 --> 03:19:15,920
commission had was suggesting we have a

4790
03:19:15,920 --> 03:19:18,399
pedestrian path to the church property.

4791
03:19:18,399 --> 03:19:18,720
How would you?

4792
03:19:18,720 --> 03:19:20,800
>> At least that was my understanding.

4793
03:19:20,800 --> 03:19:23,120
>> Where would you put that path exactly?

4794
03:19:23,120 --> 03:19:27,279
>> Yeah, it's on the or the church property

4795
03:19:27,279 --> 03:19:32,399
is below probably lots 10 to the end of

4796
03:19:32,399 --> 03:19:34,399
the street. But yeah, you can see the

4797
03:19:34,399 --> 03:19:35,840
church property right there. Ben's

4798
03:19:35,840 --> 03:19:38,239
property is one right to the south and

4799
03:19:38,239 --> 03:19:40,640
the west. The church property is that

4800
03:19:40,640 --> 03:19:44,880
one. Yeah. On on over where it says zone

4801
03:19:44,880 --> 03:19:48,160
R 120. Not not that one, but the other

4802
03:19:48,160 --> 03:19:48,560
>> Mhm.

4803
03:19:48,560 --> 03:19:50,319
>> other side.

4804
03:19:50,319 --> 03:19:51,279
>> Yeah. Right. Right in.

4805
03:19:51,279 --> 03:19:52,479
>> So it'd be back there.

4806
03:19:52,479 --> 03:19:53,439
>> That's a church property.

4807
03:19:53,439 --> 03:19:55,920
>> That was my biggest concern is I there's

4808
03:19:55,920 --> 03:19:57,600
not been a church there for years.

4809
03:19:57,600 --> 03:19:59,680
Right. To the south. They took it down

4810
03:19:59,680 --> 03:20:01,200
and there's not been a church there for

4811
03:20:01,200 --> 03:20:02,800
years. I don't know what it'll become in

4812
03:20:02,800 --> 03:20:04,160
the future,

4813
03:20:04,160 --> 03:20:05,920
>> but I would think that if it was still

4814
03:20:05,920 --> 03:20:07,120
going to be a church, they would have

4815
03:20:07,120 --> 03:20:09,359
kept it intact.

4816
03:20:09,359 --> 03:20:12,479
>> Yeah, they uh one issue is providing a

4817
03:20:12,479 --> 03:20:15,040
stub road down to the church and one to

4818
03:20:15,040 --> 03:20:16,960
Ben Mays and Ben said that he didn't

4819
03:20:16,960 --> 03:20:19,680
want it like you say and the church they

4820
03:20:19,680 --> 03:20:22,000
wrote them a letter and they said that

4821
03:20:22,000 --> 03:20:23,840
they're using it. They want to retain

4822
03:20:23,840 --> 03:20:26,239
the property for religious assembly

4823
03:20:26,239 --> 03:20:29,279
purposes is the word they used so that

4824
03:20:29,279 --> 03:20:31,359
they didn't didn't want a stub road down

4825
03:20:31,359 --> 03:20:33,359
there. Now the planning commission

4826
03:20:33,359 --> 03:20:36,319
suggested you know maybe a pedestrian

4827
03:20:36,319 --> 03:20:39,600
path down to the church and so I wrote

4828
03:20:39,600 --> 03:20:41,920
the church again at least my contact

4829
03:20:41,920 --> 03:20:43,840
with the church and I I heard nothing

4830
03:20:43,840 --> 03:20:46,319
back from them but I can't imagine them

4831
03:20:46,319 --> 03:20:48,399
wanting a pedestrian path back to the

4832
03:20:48,399 --> 03:20:52,319
back of their church property either. I

4833
03:20:52,319 --> 03:20:53,600
can't control the planning commission,

4834
03:20:53,600 --> 03:20:55,520
but I did want this conversation to be

4835
03:20:55,520 --> 03:21:00,239
had publicly so that, you know,

4836
03:21:00,239 --> 03:21:01,840
they don't always know the ins and outs

4837
03:21:01,840 --> 03:21:03,279
of things. Sometimes it's just a great

4838
03:21:03,279 --> 03:21:06,239
idea. And then when property owners are

4839
03:21:06,239 --> 03:21:07,600
like, "No, I have a different purpose

4840
03:21:07,600 --> 03:21:10,720
for my property and having stubbed off

4841
03:21:10,720 --> 03:21:12,640
pedestrian pathways would create more

4842
03:21:12,640 --> 03:21:15,040
trespassing opportunities." I think I

4843
03:21:15,040 --> 03:21:16,399
think that's a valid point to bring back

4844
03:21:16,399 --> 03:21:17,840
to the planning commission for any

4845
03:21:17,840 --> 03:21:20,800
>> Yeah. Yeah. Maybe.

4846
03:21:20,800 --> 03:21:25,600
you know, we we looked into it and I've seen paths through the church

4847
03:21:25,600 --> 03:21:27,040
through other properties and the chain

4848
03:21:27,040 --> 03:21:31,840
link fence and we we don't have a a HOA

4849
03:21:31,840 --> 03:21:33,840
board there and so I don't know who

4850
03:21:33,840 --> 03:21:38,399
would manage that. So that seemed to be

4851
03:21:38,399 --> 03:21:40,640
you know we don't think it's a good idea

4852
03:21:40,640 --> 03:21:42,000
for the neighborhood.

4853
03:21:42,000 --> 03:21:44,319
>> Okay. And councelor Bogdan, if I could

4854
03:21:44,319 --> 03:21:47,279
uh just mention that with regard to

4855
03:21:47,279 --> 03:21:49,120
that, my understanding is that the the

4856
03:21:49,120 --> 03:21:50,560
way the planning commission report is

4857
03:21:50,560 --> 03:21:52,560
phrased that they phrased it as they

4858
03:21:52,560 --> 03:21:54,239
approved it with conditions. They don't

4859
03:21:54,239 --> 03:21:56,560
actually have the ability to impose

4860
03:21:56,560 --> 03:21:57,600
conditions.

4861
03:21:57,600 --> 03:21:58,160
>> Okay?

4862
03:21:58,160 --> 03:22:01,279
>> So it and and all they are doing is

4863
03:22:01,279 --> 03:22:03,279
recommending to you. So what I've

4864
03:22:03,279 --> 03:22:04,640
actually suggested to him in the past is

4865
03:22:04,640 --> 03:22:07,120
what they should have done is recommend

4866
03:22:07,120 --> 03:22:10,479
denial unless the following issue is

4867
03:22:10,479 --> 03:22:13,279
addressed. Right? Anyway, that's that's

4868
03:22:13,279 --> 03:22:16,399
a separate issue. Point being, the the

4869
03:22:16,399 --> 03:22:18,160
ordinance as written right now does not

4870
03:22:18,160 --> 03:22:20,000
contemplate a development agreement. And

4871
03:22:20,000 --> 03:22:24,560
if you don't require one, then the zone

4872
03:22:24,560 --> 03:22:27,760
is just changed. And anything that the c

4873
03:22:27,760 --> 03:22:29,680
anything that the planning commission

4874
03:22:29,680 --> 03:22:31,520
recommended that they do is just a

4875
03:22:31,520 --> 03:22:33,040
recommendation.

4876
03:22:33,040 --> 03:22:34,800
>> So, they have no leeway with the concept

4877
03:22:34,800 --> 03:22:35,680
plan or anything?

4878
03:22:35,680 --> 03:22:37,200
>> Not unless the not unless the code

4879
03:22:37,200 --> 03:22:38,800
requires it.

4880
03:22:38,800 --> 03:22:40,239
>> All right. I'm fine with that. I just

4881
03:22:40,239 --> 03:22:41,840
want to make sure that I'm kind of

4882
03:22:41,840 --> 03:22:43,760
standing up for Ben and and for those

4883
03:22:43,760 --> 03:22:45,439
other things cuz I know him and I don't

4884
03:22:45,439 --> 03:22:46,080
think he

4885
03:22:46,080 --> 03:22:48,239
>> I've known Ben for a long time. We we've

4886
03:22:48,239 --> 03:22:49,760
worked together. We're neighbors. We're

4887
03:22:49,760 --> 03:22:51,600
in the same kind of neighborhood.

4888
03:22:51,600 --> 03:22:53,200
>> I've known Ben for a while, too. So,

4889
03:22:53,200 --> 03:22:54,319
>> he's he's a good man.

4890
03:22:54,319 --> 03:22:56,239
>> He is. He's a very good man.

4891
03:22:56,239 --> 03:22:57,760
>> And so, she's a good woman.

4892
03:22:57,760 --> 03:23:00,720
>> I know father very well. So,

4893
03:23:00,720 --> 03:23:01,439
>> thank you.

4894
03:23:01,439 --> 03:23:02,319
>> We're aware of that.

4895
03:23:02,319 --> 03:23:03,520
>> Thank you, Jay.

4896
03:23:03,520 --> 03:23:03,920
>> Thank you. [clears throat]

4897
03:23:03,920 --> 03:23:05,439
>> We'll open this item now for public

4898
03:23:05,439 --> 03:23:07,920
comment. If there are any here who would

4899
03:23:07,920 --> 03:23:09,520
like to speak to this item, you can

4900
03:23:09,520 --> 03:23:18,870
approach the podium.

4901
03:23:18,880 --> 03:23:21,760
Okay, I'm looking at that map and maybe

4902
03:23:21,760 --> 03:23:23,920
I'm just misunderstanding about where

4903
03:23:23,920 --> 03:23:26,560
stub roads and walking paths and stuff

4904
03:23:26,560 --> 03:23:28,960
would go, but in my neighborhood, we do

4905
03:23:28,960 --> 03:23:31,840
have a walking path between one set of

4906
03:23:31,840 --> 03:23:34,720
houses and another. And it's actually

4907
03:23:34,720 --> 03:23:39,359
very helpful to break up that long

4908
03:23:39,359 --> 03:23:42,319
section of

4909
03:23:42,319 --> 03:23:44,720
neighborhood, I guess, so that you can

4910
03:23:44,720 --> 03:23:47,200
get from

4911
03:23:47,200 --> 03:23:50,720
it's in our road, it's 360 south over to

4912
03:23:50,720 --> 03:23:54,160
300 South and then walk to church rather

4913
03:23:54,160 --> 03:23:56,239
than having to go all the way down to

4914
03:23:56,239 --> 03:24:00,160
about 1080 east or 1350 east when the

4915
03:24:00,160 --> 03:24:02,880
church is at 1289 east.

4916
03:24:02,880 --> 03:24:04,640
So, you know, as I've been listening to

4917
03:24:04,640 --> 03:24:07,040
your discussion about having, you know,

4918
03:24:07,040 --> 03:24:09,120
a path to get to the church through

4919
03:24:09,120 --> 03:24:12,000
those homes, it seems like you could

4920
03:24:12,000 --> 03:24:15,600
move homes over rather than having us a

4921
03:24:15,600 --> 03:24:17,840
road that ends at somebody's property.

4922
03:24:17,840 --> 03:24:19,520
You could move them down a little bit

4923
03:24:19,520 --> 03:24:23,439
and have a little road there. Anyway,

4924
03:24:23,439 --> 03:24:25,439
just giving you some suggestions to deal

4925
03:24:25,439 --> 03:24:28,000
with your issue.

4926
03:24:28,000 --> 03:24:29,439
I know there's no church, but there

4927
03:24:29,439 --> 03:24:32,160
could be one. And then it would be in

4928
03:24:32,160 --> 03:24:35,920
place before you build a bunch of homes

4929
03:24:35,920 --> 03:24:37,520
and then it goes in because now there's

4930
03:24:37,520 --> 03:24:39,040
a bunch of homes and now they need to

4931
03:24:39,040 --> 03:24:41,920
build a church. Just, you know, forward

4932
03:24:41,920 --> 03:24:44,800
thinking for y'all. Thanks.

4933
03:24:44,800 --> 03:24:46,880
>> Thank you, Angie.

4934
03:24:46,880 --> 03:24:50,319
Any other comments?

4935
03:24:50,319 --> 03:24:52,160
We'll close public comment and bring the

4936
03:24:52,160 --> 03:24:55,200
item back to council for discussion. Any

4937
03:24:55,200 --> 03:24:58,870
additional discussion?

4938
03:24:58,880 --> 03:25:02,960
All right, then we'll call for a vote.

4939
03:25:02,960 --> 03:25:04,880
>> Councelor Whitlock,

4940
03:25:04,880 --> 03:25:06,000
>> yes.

4941
03:25:06,000 --> 03:25:07,439
>> Councelor Bogden,

4942
03:25:07,439 --> 03:25:08,000
>> yes.

4943
03:25:08,000 --> 03:25:09,279
>> Councelor Hoben,

4944
03:25:09,279 --> 03:25:10,080
>> yes.

4945
03:25:10,080 --> 03:25:12,800
>> And Councelor Garrett, yes. This item

4946
03:25:12,800 --> 03:25:15,840
passes by a vote of 40 with councilors

4947
03:25:15,840 --> 03:25:19,439
McKay, Christensen, and Whipple excused.

4948
03:25:19,439 --> 03:25:21,600
We'll now move to item 13, a public

4949
03:25:21,600 --> 03:25:24,399
hearing for a substantial amendment to

4950
03:25:24,399 --> 03:25:28,239
the home ARP allocation plan

4951
03:25:28,239 --> 03:25:30,720
presented by Melissa McN, our community

4952
03:25:30,720 --> 03:25:32,800
grants administrator.

4953
03:25:32,800 --> 03:25:35,200
Welcome, Melissa.

4954
03:25:35,200 --> 03:25:39,200
>> Thank you. Good evening. Uh so this is

4955
03:25:39,200 --> 03:25:41,359
uh

4956
03:25:41,359 --> 03:25:42,880
just a public hearing for this

4957
03:25:42,880 --> 03:25:44,880
substantial amendment um which is

4958
03:25:44,880 --> 03:25:48,640
required by HUD anytime there um are big

4959
03:25:48,640 --> 03:25:51,120
changes. This is for our home ARP

4960
03:25:51,120 --> 03:25:53,200
funding which is the the home American

4961
03:25:53,200 --> 03:25:56,717
rescue plan. Um it's a one-time

4962
03:25:56,717 --> 03:25:57,920
[clears throat]

4963
03:25:57,920 --> 03:26:03,840
um source of funding and we have a a

4964
03:26:03,840 --> 03:26:05,439
subreient

4965
03:26:05,439 --> 03:26:08,080
um who received a substantial amount of

4966
03:26:08,080 --> 03:26:09,600
funding for tenant-based rental

4967
03:26:09,600 --> 03:26:12,800
assistance. and their wish was to

4968
03:26:12,800 --> 03:26:14,560
transfer some of that tenant-based

4969
03:26:14,560 --> 03:26:19,279
rental assistance funding um 260,000

4970
03:26:19,279 --> 03:26:22,880
um over to uh supportive services

4971
03:26:22,880 --> 03:26:25,200
funding because I feel like it will

4972
03:26:25,200 --> 03:26:27,760
they'll be able to better serve that um

4973
03:26:27,760 --> 03:26:29,920
population that is experiencing

4974
03:26:29,920 --> 03:26:32,720
homelessness or um near homelessness

4975
03:26:32,720 --> 03:26:36,960
with um that that funding change. So, do

4976
03:26:36,960 --> 03:26:38,720
you have any questions about the

4977
03:26:38,720 --> 03:26:41,840
substantial amendment? Any questions for

4978
03:26:41,840 --> 03:26:44,080
Melissa?

4979
03:26:44,080 --> 03:26:45,040
Thank you, Melissa.

4980
03:26:45,040 --> 03:26:45,680
>> Thank you.

4981
03:26:45,680 --> 03:26:48,239
>> We'll open this item for public comment.

4982
03:26:48,239 --> 03:26:51,760
Any public comment?

4983
03:26:51,760 --> 03:26:53,840
If not, we'll close public comment and

4984
03:26:53,840 --> 03:26:55,680
bring the item to the council for

4985
03:26:55,680 --> 03:26:59,359
discussion. Any discussion?

4986
03:26:59,359 --> 03:27:01,120
Then we'll call for a vote.

4987
03:27:01,120 --> 03:27:03,520
>> Chair, there's there's not a there's not

4988
03:27:03,520 --> 03:27:05,359
a vote on this item. It's just a public

4989
03:27:05,359 --> 03:27:06,720
hearing for the purpose of public.

4990
03:27:06,720 --> 03:27:10,479
>> Thank you. Item 14, a resolution

4991
03:27:10,479 --> 03:27:14,160
approving an urban deer control plan.

4992
03:27:14,160 --> 03:27:16,080
This will be presented by Nicholas

4993
03:27:16,080 --> 03:27:19,200
Mulestein, the assistant. This will be

4994
03:27:19,200 --> 03:27:21,439
presented by Brian Jones, our city

4995
03:27:21,439 --> 03:27:24,479
attorney, and Greg Hook, BYU managing

4996
03:27:24,479 --> 03:27:27,439
director of operations and grounds.

4997
03:27:27,439 --> 03:27:29,279
>> I'm a nicer boss than Bill, and I sent

4998
03:27:29,279 --> 03:27:32,960
my people home. So, [laughter]

4999
03:27:32,960 --> 03:27:37,200
just kidding, Bill. Um, so you've heard

5000
03:27:37,200 --> 03:27:39,359
this before in a in work session a

5001
03:27:39,359 --> 03:27:41,359
couple of times uh and you're aware of

5002
03:27:41,359 --> 03:27:44,239
it. This is just an issue where the

5003
03:27:44,239 --> 03:27:49,120
state allows uh some programs to take uh

5004
03:27:49,120 --> 03:27:52,160
in other words euthanize capture and

5005
03:27:52,160 --> 03:27:56,560
euthanize uh urban deer uh with very

5006
03:27:56,560 --> 03:27:59,200
strict guidelines about when that can

5007
03:27:59,200 --> 03:28:01,439
happen and how it can happen. It's a

5008
03:28:01,439 --> 03:28:03,840
plan that can only it requires a

5009
03:28:03,840 --> 03:28:06,640
submission of a plan by a municipality

5010
03:28:06,640 --> 03:28:10,479
to DWR who then approves the plans,

5011
03:28:10,479 --> 03:28:14,080
issues a a CO it's called and then the

5012
03:28:14,080 --> 03:28:16,800
city can go on and and implement this

5013
03:28:16,800 --> 03:28:20,640
program. Well, uh BYU has come to us and

5014
03:28:20,640 --> 03:28:24,000
they have asked us to submit a plan on

5015
03:28:24,000 --> 03:28:26,399
their behalf so that they can run a

5016
03:28:26,399 --> 03:28:29,520
program on their campus to take urban

5017
03:28:29,520 --> 03:28:32,800
deer. So, what you're voting on here is

5018
03:28:32,800 --> 03:28:36,239
a a resolution approving that plan

5019
03:28:36,239 --> 03:28:37,760
that's already been approved by the

5020
03:28:37,760 --> 03:28:41,200
state. Uh there was also, so you know,

5021
03:28:41,200 --> 03:28:44,080
an agreement executed between BYU and

5022
03:28:44,080 --> 03:28:47,600
the city where they acknowledge that

5023
03:28:47,600 --> 03:28:50,319
it's their plan that we've approved for

5024
03:28:50,319 --> 03:28:52,560
them on the state and they're going to

5025
03:28:52,560 --> 03:28:56,080
they're doing all the work. They're indemnifying the city against

5026
03:28:56,080 --> 03:28:59,359
any potential risks and it's ju this is

5027
03:28:59,359 --> 03:29:02,880
just uh one of those steps of the city

5028
03:29:02,880 --> 03:29:05,040
authorizing something that we have

5029
03:29:05,040 --> 03:29:06,880
control over so that they can do what

5030
03:29:06,880 --> 03:29:08,560
they want to do. Do you want to add

5031
03:29:08,560 --> 03:29:10,399
anything to that?

5032
03:29:10,399 --> 03:29:12,239
>> No, you you said it very well. There's

5033
03:29:12,239 --> 03:29:14,880
just there's a lot of deer on campus and

5034
03:29:14,880 --> 03:29:17,680
uh the body of this deer they live on uh

5035
03:29:17,680 --> 03:29:21,680
campus year round and they continue to breed and there's a lot of

5036
03:29:21,680 --> 03:29:23,200
deformities and other problems that

5037
03:29:23,200 --> 03:29:24,960
happen because of it and we were just

5038
03:29:24,960 --> 03:29:27,120
looking to thin out the herd and bring

5039
03:29:27,120 --> 03:29:32,160
it down to a more manageable level. So

5040
03:29:32,160 --> 03:29:34,399
>> any questions?

5041
03:29:34,399 --> 03:29:36,560
>> Yes, counselor.

5042
03:29:36,560 --> 03:29:38,479
Um,

5043
03:29:38,479 --> 03:29:40,160
>> I think we asked some variant of this

5044
03:29:40,160 --> 03:29:42,080
question previously, but if I may ask

5045
03:29:42,080 --> 03:29:43,359
again, just because I heard some public

5046
03:29:43,359 --> 03:29:46,080
comment on it, did we look or evaluate

5047
03:29:46,080 --> 03:29:47,920
options for relocation as opposed to

5048
03:29:47,920 --> 03:29:49,920
youth in Asia? Yeah, that that's a great

5049
03:29:49,920 --> 03:29:52,000
question. Uh, from what I understand, a

5050
03:29:52,000 --> 03:29:53,680
number of years ago, uh, there was a

5051
03:29:53,680 --> 03:29:56,000
relocation program that the DWR worked

5052
03:29:56,000 --> 03:29:59,279
in conjunction with with BYU. Um uh

5053
03:29:59,279 --> 03:30:00,880
there became a problem with chronic

5054
03:30:00,880 --> 03:30:03,120
waste disease a number of years ago and

5055
03:30:03,120 --> 03:30:05,840
at that point DWR stopped trapping and

5056
03:30:05,840 --> 03:30:07,439
relocating. They they didn't want to

5057
03:30:07,439 --> 03:30:08,319
spread that.

5058
03:30:08,319 --> 03:30:10,560
>> Can you just explain what that is? And

5059
03:30:10,560 --> 03:30:12,239
uh from what I understand chronic waste

5060
03:30:12,239 --> 03:30:15,680
disease is a disease where these deer

5061
03:30:15,680 --> 03:30:17,680
slowly just start to kind of die, lose

5062
03:30:17,680 --> 03:30:21,760
strength, lose um muscle strength and

5063
03:30:21,760 --> 03:30:25,680
just start to die. So essentially the relocations were failing because the

5064
03:30:25,680 --> 03:30:28,319
deer were dying through this disease and

5065
03:30:28,319 --> 03:30:30,640
DWR said it's actually less humane to

5066
03:30:30,640 --> 03:30:32,800
retreat to transport them or relocate

5067
03:30:32,800 --> 03:30:33,200
them.

5068
03:30:33,200 --> 03:30:35,200
>> Uh they actually don't want it to spread

5069
03:30:35,200 --> 03:30:37,760
>> spreads to other herds. Okay. So okay

5070
03:30:37,760 --> 03:30:40,239
>> it's also for the health of the sort of

5071
03:30:40,239 --> 03:30:42,560
non BYU based herds.

5072
03:30:42,560 --> 03:30:43,200
>> You got it.

5073
03:30:43,200 --> 03:30:43,840
>> Yeah. Thank you.

5074
03:30:43,840 --> 03:30:46,399
>> Good question.

5075
03:30:46,399 --> 03:30:51,349
>> Anyone else?

5076
03:30:51,359 --> 03:30:53,439
» Okay. Thank you, Brian and Greg.

5077
03:30:53,439 --> 03:30:54,640
>> Thank you. Thank you.

5078
03:30:54,640 --> 03:30:56,880
>> We'll open this item for public comment.

5079
03:30:56,880 --> 03:30:58,880
Is there anyone who would like to speak

5080
03:30:58,880 --> 03:31:01,920
to this item?

5081
03:31:01,920 --> 03:31:03,840
If not, we'll close public comment and

5082
03:31:03,840 --> 03:31:05,359
bring the item to council for

5083
03:31:05,359 --> 03:31:07,600
discussion. Any additional discussion,

5084
03:31:07,600 --> 03:31:10,950
council members?

5085
03:31:10,960 --> 03:31:12,720
» Okay, we'll call for a vote. Councelor

5086
03:31:12,720 --> 03:31:13,600
Bogden,

5087
03:31:13,600 --> 03:31:14,560
>> yes.

5088
03:31:14,560 --> 03:31:15,840
>> Councelor Hoben,

5089
03:31:15,840 --> 03:31:16,560
>> yes.

5090
03:31:16,560 --> 03:31:18,239
>> Councelor Garrett, yes. And councelor

5091
03:31:18,239 --> 03:31:19,120
Whitlock,

5092
03:31:19,120 --> 03:31:20,720
>> yes.

5093
03:31:20,720 --> 03:31:22,080
>> Thank you. Thank you. That item passes

5094
03:31:22,080 --> 03:31:25,040
by a vote of 40 with counselors McKay,

5095
03:31:25,040 --> 03:31:31,750
Christensen, and Whipple excused.

5096
03:31:31,760 --> 03:31:34,479
Item 15 is a resolution adopting an

5097
03:31:34,479 --> 03:31:37,120
American with an Americans with

5098
03:31:37,120 --> 03:31:40,000
Disabilities Act transition plan. This

5099
03:31:40,000 --> 03:31:42,640
will be presented by our engineer, David

5100
03:31:42,640 --> 03:31:45,200
Michaelelsson. David, thank you for your

5101
03:31:45,200 --> 03:31:47,439
patience hanging out with us tonight.

5102
03:31:47,439 --> 03:31:50,000
>> Yeah, you bet. Um, [clears throat]

5103
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:51,840
appreciate it. I'll be quick tonight.

5104
03:31:51,840 --> 03:31:54,000
So, uh, the Americans with Disability

5105
03:31:54,000 --> 03:31:56,640
Act or ADA is a federal civil rights law

5106
03:31:56,640 --> 03:31:58,239
that prohibits discrimination against

5107
03:31:58,239 --> 03:32:00,640
individuals with disabilities. For local

5108
03:32:00,640 --> 03:32:02,640
governments, title 2 applies to our

5109
03:32:02,640 --> 03:32:04,160
program, services, and activities

5110
03:32:04,160 --> 03:32:06,479
provided by the city. Accessibility

5111
03:32:06,479 --> 03:32:08,080
improvements can range in cost and

5112
03:32:08,080 --> 03:32:09,439
scope, while others may be addressed

5113
03:32:09,439 --> 03:32:11,600
through changes to policy, procedures,

5114
03:32:11,600 --> 03:32:14,160
or how services are provided. The city

5115
03:32:14,160 --> 03:32:16,239
cannot address every issue at once, and

5116
03:32:16,239 --> 03:32:18,479
so the ADA requires a transition plan to

5117
03:32:18,479 --> 03:32:21,439
be established. um how accessibility

5118
03:32:21,439 --> 03:32:23,920
barriers will be addressed over time. Uh

5119
03:32:23,920 --> 03:32:25,760
so our transition plan does not create

5120
03:32:25,760 --> 03:32:27,920
the city's ADA responsibilities.

5121
03:32:27,920 --> 03:32:30,800
Instead, it provides a framework on how

5122
03:32:30,800 --> 03:32:32,640
to identify, plan, and track

5123
03:32:32,640 --> 03:32:36,160
accessibility barriers and improvements.

5124
03:32:36,160 --> 03:32:38,080
Um finally, this is not a one-time

5125
03:32:38,080 --> 03:32:40,160
document. Uh it is a living document

5126
03:32:40,160 --> 03:32:41,760
intended to be updated as new

5127
03:32:41,760 --> 03:32:43,760
assessments are completed, improvements

5128
03:32:43,760 --> 03:32:46,000
are made, and projects are finished. The

5129
03:32:46,000 --> 03:32:48,319
goal is continual process towards

5130
03:32:48,319 --> 03:32:51,680
compliance. And ultimately the ADA estab

5131
03:32:51,680 --> 03:32:53,520
ADA establishes the requirements while

5132
03:32:53,520 --> 03:32:55,040
the transition plan just provides the

5133
03:32:55,040 --> 03:32:56,880
roadmap of how the city will work

5134
03:32:56,880 --> 03:32:59,120
towards meeting those requirements. I'm

5135
03:32:59,120 --> 03:33:01,359
happy to answer any questions you have.

5136
03:33:01,359 --> 03:33:03,120
>> Thank you, David. Any questions for

5137
03:33:03,120 --> 03:33:05,200
David? Yes, councelor Bogden.

5138
03:33:05,200 --> 03:33:07,359
>> So I'm curious, the mayor did comment

5139
03:33:07,359 --> 03:33:09,040
that we still have a lot of work to do.

5140
03:33:09,040 --> 03:33:10,319
We still have to have every single

5141
03:33:10,319 --> 03:33:12,640
department in this. So do we come back

5142
03:33:12,640 --> 03:33:15,920
and the council ratifies each

5143
03:33:15,920 --> 03:33:18,000
amendment to this thing or how does this

5144
03:33:18,000 --> 03:33:21,040
work? It's a good question.

5145
03:33:21,040 --> 03:33:22,640
>> Yes, it's I mean we don't necessarily

5146
03:33:22,640 --> 03:33:24,000
have to do them separately, but there

5147
03:33:24,000 --> 03:33:29,439
will be updates to this. In fact, it's like many documents, the general

5148
03:33:29,439 --> 03:33:30,880
plan and many other documents. This is

5149
03:33:30,880 --> 03:33:32,479
intended to be a living document that

5150
03:33:32,479 --> 03:33:33,840
should be getting frequent updates

5151
03:33:33,840 --> 03:33:36,479
anyway. So, we're setting the baseline

5152
03:33:36,479 --> 03:33:38,720
here tonight. There will be updates and

5153
03:33:38,720 --> 03:33:40,319
those updates will be coming back to the

5154
03:33:40,319 --> 03:33:42,560
council for approval.

5155
03:33:42,560 --> 03:33:44,720
So, are we going to just like wait until

5156
03:33:44,720 --> 03:33:46,720
we get a couple of departments in or are

5157
03:33:46,720 --> 03:33:48,640
we going to just like every single

5158
03:33:48,640 --> 03:33:50,560
department that finishes, we're going to

5159
03:33:50,560 --> 03:33:53,680
come back and we actually got a um I

5160
03:33:53,680 --> 03:33:55,600
mean we have an ADA committee in the

5161
03:33:55,600 --> 03:33:58,880
city. Uh we uh actually spoke about this

5162
03:33:58,880 --> 03:34:01,600
about director's meeting in director's

5163
03:34:01,600 --> 03:34:04,399
meeting this morning and we are um

5164
03:34:04,399 --> 03:34:08,160
implementing monthly check-ins on the

5165
03:34:08,160 --> 03:34:11,359
department's self-evaluation and update

5166
03:34:11,359 --> 03:34:14,000
process. So hopefully those updates will

5167
03:34:14,000 --> 03:34:17,200
be coming back to you fairly soon.

5168
03:34:17,200 --> 03:34:19,520
>> You're chairing that committee, right?

5169
03:34:19,520 --> 03:34:21,600
>> I I am on that committee. Yeah, I

5170
03:34:21,600 --> 03:34:23,120
>> think Scott Henderson is actually the

5171
03:34:23,120 --> 03:34:24,960
chair. Oh, Scott's the chair and you're

5172
03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:25,840
on that committee.

5173
03:34:25,840 --> 03:34:28,000
>> Yeah, I'm I'm currently one of the ADA

5174
03:34:28,000 --> 03:34:30,000
coordinators as well as Travis Savage

5175
03:34:30,000 --> 03:34:32,000
from facilities

5176
03:34:32,000 --> 03:34:32,880
as

5177
03:34:32,880 --> 03:34:34,720
>> um my preference would be that you would

5178
03:34:34,720 --> 03:34:38,800
collect munch and come back rather than

5179
03:34:38,800 --> 03:34:41,600
like once a month come and modify each

5180
03:34:41,600 --> 03:34:42,239
one of them.

5181
03:34:42,239 --> 03:34:43,920
>> For sure.

5182
03:34:43,920 --> 03:34:45,200
>> Is that does that put us in

5183
03:34:45,200 --> 03:34:47,200
>> I think I think that's the plan. as long

5184
03:34:47,200 --> 03:34:50,880
as we're, you know, if if some things

5185
03:34:50,880 --> 03:34:52,399
are more, we might have a couple

5186
03:34:52,399 --> 03:34:54,000
batches. May maybe we'll have five

5187
03:34:54,000 --> 03:34:55,520
departments that are really easy and a

5188
03:34:55,520 --> 03:34:56,880
couple departments that are hard. And so

5189
03:34:56,880 --> 03:34:59,600
we but but yes, we would not intend to

5190
03:34:59,600 --> 03:35:01,520
come back to you 10 times for every

5191
03:35:01,520 --> 03:35:02,880
department.

5192
03:35:02,880 --> 03:35:05,920
>> Thank you.

5193
03:35:05,920 --> 03:35:08,160
David. We'll open this item

5194
03:35:08,160 --> 03:35:10,160
for public comment if there's anyone

5195
03:35:10,160 --> 03:35:13,840
here who would like to speak.

5196
03:35:13,840 --> 03:35:15,680
Thank you for your patience tonight.

5197
03:35:15,680 --> 03:35:17,200
Welcome.

5198
03:35:17,200 --> 03:35:21,680
>> Um I'm Jonathan Handy uh from Provo.

5199
03:35:21,680 --> 03:35:26,479
Um uh just on the topic of um sidewalks

5200
03:35:26,479 --> 03:35:29,439
as they apply to ADA. Uh one thing I

5201
03:35:29,439 --> 03:35:32,960
would like to bring up is the problem of

5202
03:35:32,960 --> 03:35:35,279
uh places being inaccessible

5203
03:35:35,279 --> 03:35:37,680
uh due to sprinklers. Uh sometimes

5204
03:35:37,680 --> 03:35:39,200
private sprinklers, sometimes city

5205
03:35:39,200 --> 03:35:43,279
sprinklers. uh where the sprinklers are

5206
03:35:43,279 --> 03:35:46,399
um throwing water onto the sidewalks

5207
03:35:46,399 --> 03:35:49,120
onto the paths. Uh I don't know about

5208
03:35:49,120 --> 03:35:51,600
you guys, but uh I don't particularly

5209
03:35:51,600 --> 03:35:53,359
like getting my groceries soaked when

5210
03:35:53,359 --> 03:35:54,800
I'm bringing them home from the grocery

5211
03:35:54,800 --> 03:35:57,760
store. Um,

5212
03:35:57,760 --> 03:36:02,080
so I I would like to see I in some form

5213
03:36:02,080 --> 03:36:06,399
or another um some effort be put towards

5214
03:36:06,399 --> 03:36:08,160
ensuring that sprinklers that are

5215
03:36:08,160 --> 03:36:10,880
watering the grass stay on the grass and

5216
03:36:10,880 --> 03:36:13,359
stay off of the places where people are

5217
03:36:13,359 --> 03:36:15,279
walking. Thank you.

5218
03:36:15,279 --> 03:36:17,359
>> Great. Thank you, Jonathan. Appreciate

5219
03:36:17,359 --> 03:36:22,229
your comment. Anyone else?

5220
03:36:22,239 --> 03:36:24,640
We'll close public comment and continue

5221
03:36:24,640 --> 03:36:26,720
the item with our council for

5222
03:36:26,720 --> 03:36:30,319
discussion. Any discussion, councilors?

5223
03:36:30,319 --> 03:36:31,840
Councelor Jeff,

5224
03:36:31,840 --> 03:36:33,760
>> I just want to say thank you for the

5225
03:36:33,760 --> 03:36:35,439
effort the city's putting into doing

5226
03:36:35,439 --> 03:36:37,520
this. Sounds like we've had some

5227
03:36:37,520 --> 03:36:39,439
liability for a while for not having

5228
03:36:39,439 --> 03:36:41,439
this and so I'm glad we're taking care

5229
03:36:41,439 --> 03:36:42,960
of it and I know it's a big project. So,

5230
03:36:42,960 --> 03:36:47,110
thank you.

5231
03:36:47,120 --> 03:36:49,920
» Yes, Councelor Bogdan. I just want to

5232
03:36:49,920 --> 03:36:52,239
address.

5233
03:36:52,239 --> 03:36:54,000
We can make all the laws we want to, but

5234
03:36:54,000 --> 03:36:55,359
sometimes laws are really hard to

5235
03:36:55,359 --> 03:36:58,479
enforce. And I think a sprinkler law

5236
03:36:58,479 --> 03:37:00,640
would be very hard to enforce.

5237
03:37:00,640 --> 03:37:02,160
Somebody's going to run over it the

5238
03:37:02,160 --> 03:37:05,120
wrong way or it I just think it would be

5239
03:37:05,120 --> 03:37:06,399
really, really hard to enforce that

5240
03:37:06,399 --> 03:37:09,600
within the city. So, just keep that in

5241
03:37:09,600 --> 03:37:11,439
mind

5242
03:37:11,439 --> 03:37:13,600
when looking at that because I think,

5243
03:37:13,600 --> 03:37:14,720
you know, there's a lot of people that

5244
03:37:14,720 --> 03:37:15,840
don't want to get wet and then then

5245
03:37:15,840 --> 03:37:17,120
sometimes you're really hot and you do

5246
03:37:17,120 --> 03:37:20,720
want to get wet, but um I think it would

5247
03:37:20,720 --> 03:37:23,600
be really hard to enforce.

5248
03:37:23,600 --> 03:37:25,785
>> Thank you, counselor.

5249
03:37:25,785 --> 03:37:27,200
[clears throat]

5250
03:37:27,200 --> 03:37:29,600
>> All right, I'll call for a vote.

5251
03:37:29,600 --> 03:37:32,800
Councelor Hoben,

5252
03:37:32,800 --> 03:37:34,160
>> yes.

5253
03:37:34,160 --> 03:37:36,160
>> Councelor Garrett, yes. Councelor

5254
03:37:36,160 --> 03:37:36,960
Whitlock,

5255
03:37:36,960 --> 03:37:37,439
>> yes.

5256
03:37:37,439 --> 03:37:38,800
>> And councelor Boggden,

5257
03:37:38,800 --> 03:37:39,920
>> yes.

5258
03:37:39,920 --> 03:37:42,399
>> Thank you. This item passes by a vote of

5259
03:37:42,399 --> 03:37:46,080
40 with councilors Christensen, McKay,

5260
03:37:46,080 --> 03:37:49,200
and Whipple excused. Move to item 16,

5261
03:37:49,200 --> 03:37:51,520
which is an ordinance regarding a

5262
03:37:51,520 --> 03:37:53,760
general residency requirement for boards

5263
03:37:53,760 --> 03:37:56,319
and commission candidates. This will be

5264
03:37:56,319 --> 03:37:58,800
presented by one of our policy analysts,

5265
03:37:58,800 --> 03:38:00,960
Tanner Tuchi.

5266
03:38:00,960 --> 03:38:02,319
>> Yes. Good evening, council. Thank you

5267
03:38:02,319 --> 03:38:04,960
for hearing this item. This is an issue

5268
03:38:04,960 --> 03:38:07,920
item sponsored by councilors Bogden and

5269
03:38:07,920 --> 03:38:09,520
Christensen.

5270
03:38:09,520 --> 03:38:11,200
And

5271
03:38:11,200 --> 03:38:13,359
currently there is no general residency

5272
03:38:13,359 --> 03:38:16,399
requirement in Provo City Code, meaning

5273
03:38:16,399 --> 03:38:19,200
that these are the five uh committees or

5274
03:38:19,200 --> 03:38:22,319
boards that have some form of residency

5275
03:38:22,319 --> 03:38:24,560
requirement and then all the others do

5276
03:38:24,560 --> 03:38:28,160
not. So, this proposal would change that

5277
03:38:28,160 --> 03:38:30,080
to require all future candidates

5278
03:38:30,080 --> 03:38:32,640
presented by the mayor for uh advice and

5279
03:38:32,640 --> 03:38:36,160
consent to be residents of Provo. This

5280
03:38:36,160 --> 03:38:38,319
would have the effect of allowing

5281
03:38:38,319 --> 03:38:41,200
current uh including recently appointed

5282
03:38:41,200 --> 03:38:43,279
um non-residents to serve out their

5283
03:38:43,279 --> 03:38:46,319
current terms. Uh the two exhibits B and

5284
03:38:46,319 --> 03:38:49,120
C also as I mentioned in the work

5285
03:38:49,120 --> 03:38:51,200
meeting will carve out an exception for

5286
03:38:51,200 --> 03:38:54,239
the FBO representative uh on the airport

5287
03:38:54,239 --> 03:38:56,640
board. Uh they're required to be on that

5288
03:38:56,640 --> 03:38:58,640
board and are not always necessarily

5289
03:38:58,640 --> 03:39:00,160
going to be residents. So that was

5290
03:39:00,160 --> 03:39:04,000
important uh that that be included as

5291
03:39:04,000 --> 03:39:05,840
well.

5292
03:39:05,840 --> 03:39:09,279
This will bring uh our provo or our

5293
03:39:09,279 --> 03:39:11,359
residency requirement in line more with

5294
03:39:11,359 --> 03:39:13,920
what other cities are experiencing with

5295
03:39:13,920 --> 03:39:15,200
their boards of commissions in terms of

5296
03:39:15,200 --> 03:39:19,439
residency. And just for uh your visual

5297
03:39:19,439 --> 03:39:21,359
uh for the visual for the public and for

5298
03:39:21,359 --> 03:39:23,680
you, this is what will be required if

5299
03:39:23,680 --> 03:39:26,479
this was adopted. There would only be

5300
03:39:26,479 --> 03:39:28,479
four non-residents out of all the boards

5301
03:39:28,479 --> 03:39:29,840
and commissions that would allow be

5302
03:39:29,840 --> 03:39:32,960
allowed to be non-residents.

5303
03:39:32,960 --> 03:39:34,960
Uh just some to reiterate some of the

5304
03:39:34,960 --> 03:39:36,080
considerations that were brought up

5305
03:39:36,080 --> 03:39:38,160
during the work meeting. Um the only

5306
03:39:38,160 --> 03:39:40,080
thing that I brought up as an potential

5307
03:39:40,080 --> 03:39:42,239
issue is whether or not the talent pool

5308
03:39:42,239 --> 03:39:45,359
will be constricted. In the le in the

5309
03:39:45,359 --> 03:39:47,600
left example here that would be an

5310
03:39:47,600 --> 03:39:50,560
example where you know the expertise

5311
03:39:50,560 --> 03:39:53,279
required by say the landmarks commission

5312
03:39:53,279 --> 03:39:56,160
uh would impose an unne like a a

5313
03:39:56,160 --> 03:39:57,920
negative burden because that pool of

5314
03:39:57,920 --> 03:39:59,200
potential people who are both residents

5315
03:39:59,200 --> 03:40:01,600
and experts are small. I will say that

5316
03:40:01,600 --> 03:40:03,680
Scott Henderson in the work meeting said

5317
03:40:03,680 --> 03:40:05,840
that they've had not had an issue

5318
03:40:05,840 --> 03:40:07,840
finding people who fit the requirements

5319
03:40:07,840 --> 03:40:10,399
for boards and commissions who require

5320
03:40:10,399 --> 03:40:11,760
specific expertise who are also

5321
03:40:11,760 --> 03:40:13,279
residents. So the reality of the

5322
03:40:13,279 --> 03:40:16,479
situation likely resembles the the ven

5323
03:40:16,479 --> 03:40:19,760
diagram on the right. Uh and I will also

5324
03:40:19,760 --> 03:40:21,040
note this is something that I think

5325
03:40:21,040 --> 03:40:22,479
Brian mentioned in the work meeting as

5326
03:40:22,479 --> 03:40:24,560
well. While this does require the

5327
03:40:24,560 --> 03:40:26,640
executive to act in a certain way and to

5328
03:40:26,640 --> 03:40:28,080
and it restricts their ability to

5329
03:40:28,080 --> 03:40:31,040
propose, conversely, it would also not

5330
03:40:31,040 --> 03:40:32,960
allow the council to entertain

5331
03:40:32,960 --> 03:40:36,640
non-resident uh candidates anymore. But

5332
03:40:36,640 --> 03:40:39,439
if that is the priority is being put on

5333
03:40:39,439 --> 03:40:42,640
pro residency, which I think it is, then

5334
03:40:42,640 --> 03:40:45,200
that is not an issue.

5335
03:40:45,200 --> 03:40:48,319
Thank you. I'm open to any questions.

5336
03:40:48,319 --> 03:40:54,070
for Tanner.

5337
03:40:54,080 --> 03:40:58,550
All right. Thank you, Tanner.

5338
03:40:58,560 --> 03:41:05,750
» Any public comments on this item?

5339
03:41:05,760 --> 03:41:12,319
» Angie Carter, Provo. Um, my concern is one that our presenter just mentioned

5340
03:41:12,319 --> 03:41:14,960
about the expertise. I think for many of

5341
03:41:14,960 --> 03:41:17,920
our boards it makes sense to just have p

5342
03:41:17,920 --> 03:41:22,160
pro residents, but I would suggest that

5343
03:41:22,160 --> 03:41:24,880
maybe for a couple of the other boards

5344
03:41:24,880 --> 03:41:28,080
there be an option to have, you know,

5345
03:41:28,080 --> 03:41:31,279
one or two members that that could be

5346
03:41:31,279 --> 03:41:36,080
out of city residents. um if there

5347
03:41:36,080 --> 03:41:37,840
wasn't a city resident that had that

5348
03:41:37,840 --> 03:41:39,200
expertise, maybe there's something that

5349
03:41:39,200 --> 03:41:43,279
you can add into the this proposal that

5350
03:41:43,279 --> 03:41:45,040
makes you know residents the highest

5351
03:41:45,040 --> 03:41:48,720
priority but then allows for an expert

5352
03:41:48,720 --> 03:41:51,120
from outside Provo if there is not a

5353
03:41:51,120 --> 03:41:53,680
resident expert. I'm thinking maybe of

5354
03:41:53,680 --> 03:41:56,640
the landmarks commission um airport

5355
03:41:56,640 --> 03:41:59,200
board um you know some of those boards

5356
03:41:59,200 --> 03:42:00,960
that may need a little bit more

5357
03:42:00,960 --> 03:42:03,279
expertise. Um, I think we've got

5358
03:42:03,279 --> 03:42:05,120
probably enough people for maybe arts

5359
03:42:05,120 --> 03:42:07,600
council and library board and that sort

5360
03:42:07,600 --> 03:42:09,680
of thing, but I can see some other

5361
03:42:09,680 --> 03:42:12,720
specialties that may need that. And that

5362
03:42:12,720 --> 03:42:16,800
could be a way to balance what we're trying to do,

5363
03:42:16,800 --> 03:42:18,960
which is have more Provo resident input

5364
03:42:18,960 --> 03:42:21,760
because these boards do affect us. But

5365
03:42:21,760 --> 03:42:24,080
also, I think it's important to get

5366
03:42:24,080 --> 03:42:26,800
expertise from outside of Provo. Um, so

5367
03:42:26,800 --> 03:42:29,600
we're not

5368
03:42:29,600 --> 03:42:31,600
just circling the same ideas around each

5369
03:42:31,600 --> 03:42:33,680
other all the time. There's benefits to

5370
03:42:33,680 --> 03:42:35,840
having a greater pool of ideas, too.

5371
03:42:35,840 --> 03:42:36,479
Thank you.

5372
03:42:36,479 --> 03:42:38,800
>> Thank you, Angie.

5373
03:42:38,800 --> 03:42:41,040
Tanner, did you say that this would not

5374
03:42:41,040 --> 03:42:44,080
preclude the council from considering

5375
03:42:44,080 --> 03:42:47,120
other candidates from outside the city?

5376
03:42:47,120 --> 03:42:48,720
It would because the mayor would not be

5377
03:42:48,720 --> 03:42:50,319
able to submit them to you for your

5378
03:42:50,319 --> 03:42:51,200
consideration.

5379
03:42:51,200 --> 03:42:52,800
>> Okay. And I will say based on that

5380
03:42:52,800 --> 03:42:55,120
comment, this just essentially changes

5381
03:42:55,120 --> 03:42:56,640
the default setting. If the council

5382
03:42:56,640 --> 03:42:58,880
realized that the landmarks commission

5383
03:42:58,880 --> 03:43:00,720
needed to expand its talent pool, they

5384
03:43:00,720 --> 03:43:04,000
could you could create in the land in a

5385
03:43:04,000 --> 03:43:05,920
landmark section a separate section of

5386
03:43:05,920 --> 03:43:08,319
code that addresses that on a case-byase

5387
03:43:08,319 --> 03:43:10,239
basis, but you can keep this as the

5388
03:43:10,239 --> 03:43:10,960
default.

5389
03:43:10,960 --> 03:43:14,389
>> Okay.

5390
03:43:14,399 --> 03:43:16,869
Any other public comment?

5391
03:43:16,869 --> 03:43:18,399
[clears throat]

5392
03:43:18,399 --> 03:43:23,110
If not, we'll close public comment.

5393
03:43:23,120 --> 03:43:26,160
and continue with council discussions.

5394
03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:28,000
>> I had I had actually one question for

5395
03:43:28,000 --> 03:43:30,880
Tanner. Just quick clarification. So

5396
03:43:30,880 --> 03:43:32,720
there the there there is one loan

5397
03:43:32,720 --> 03:43:35,199
exception still and that's the airport

5398
03:43:35,199 --> 03:43:37,760
board for the FBO position

5399
03:43:37,760 --> 03:43:39,359
>> that is part of this ordinance and then

5400
03:43:39,359 --> 03:43:42,000
the three seats that already exist on

5401
03:43:42,000 --> 03:43:44,239
the arts council will be retained and

5402
03:43:44,239 --> 03:43:47,040
then the city employees who are part of

5403
03:43:47,040 --> 03:43:49,600
the uh

5404
03:43:49,600 --> 03:43:51,840
what was it the the board that has city

5405
03:43:51,840 --> 03:43:55,199
employees on it but on the arts on the

5406
03:43:55,199 --> 03:43:59,760
arts commission or council apologies. uh

5407
03:43:59,760 --> 03:44:02,319
when those seats are expired or their

5408
03:44:02,319 --> 03:44:04,239
terms expired, would it then revert back

5409
03:44:04,239 --> 03:44:06,399
to requiring

5410
03:44:06,399 --> 03:44:07,279
residents?

5411
03:44:07,279 --> 03:44:08,880
>> That code will not change as part of

5412
03:44:08,880 --> 03:44:10,640
this. And so you can continue to have

5413
03:44:10,640 --> 03:44:13,199
non-residents serve in that role until

5414
03:44:13,199 --> 03:44:15,840
unless you decide to remove that

5415
03:44:15,840 --> 03:44:17,439
exception that's currently in the arts

5416
03:44:17,439 --> 03:44:18,399
council language.

5417
03:44:18,399 --> 03:44:22,399
>> So in your professional opinion, is is

5418
03:44:22,399 --> 03:44:23,920
I've heard the landmarks board now been

5419
03:44:23,920 --> 03:44:25,040
mentioned twice. I think you mentioned

5420
03:44:25,040 --> 03:44:26,800
it. I think it was mentioned by the

5421
03:44:26,800 --> 03:44:28,880
public comment. Is that the one

5422
03:44:28,880 --> 03:44:30,319
remaining board where you kind of maybe

5423
03:44:30,319 --> 03:44:33,040
felt a concern about expertise being

5424
03:44:33,040 --> 03:44:35,279
needed that might outside the city?

5425
03:44:35,279 --> 03:44:36,800
>> I think the landmarks commission is

5426
03:44:36,800 --> 03:44:39,120
brought up most often as an example of

5427
03:44:39,120 --> 03:44:41,120
that because it is one of only a few

5428
03:44:41,120 --> 03:44:44,399
that currently have expertise explicitly

5429
03:44:44,399 --> 03:44:46,720
required in it. You know, the mayor

5430
03:44:46,720 --> 03:44:49,040
might for the energy board seek out

5431
03:44:49,040 --> 03:44:51,840
people who have experience in the energy

5432
03:44:51,840 --> 03:44:54,560
sector. However, it's not currently in

5433
03:44:54,560 --> 03:44:57,600
statute that that person have a specific

5434
03:44:57,600 --> 03:44:59,040
background. Whereas in the landmarks

5435
03:44:59,040 --> 03:45:00,960
commission, it is. So, I think that's

5436
03:45:00,960 --> 03:45:03,840
probably the the the most common example

5437
03:45:03,840 --> 03:45:05,920
>> because we require certain experience or

5438
03:45:05,920 --> 03:45:08,000
professional based requirements.

5439
03:45:08,000 --> 03:45:10,800
>> I will say if you look at the the code

5440
03:45:10,800 --> 03:45:12,800
section that governs that, there are

5441
03:45:12,800 --> 03:45:14,399
specific requirements. However, the list

5442
03:45:14,399 --> 03:45:16,640
is quite long and so if you know if you

5443
03:45:16,640 --> 03:45:18,560
have professional experience in in

5444
03:45:18,560 --> 03:45:21,279
history or archaeology or interior

5445
03:45:21,279 --> 03:45:24,479
design, those sort of all fit that

5446
03:45:24,479 --> 03:45:27,359
qualification. So the definition in the

5447
03:45:27,359 --> 03:45:30,080
landmarks commission in particular is I

5448
03:45:30,080 --> 03:45:33,760
think quite broad. Thank you,

5449
03:45:33,760 --> 03:45:38,239
>> Jeff. We um we talked about that in work

5450
03:45:38,239 --> 03:45:41,600
meeting, right? That we have a big

5451
03:45:41,600 --> 03:45:44,000
enough talent pool with BYU professors

5452
03:45:44,000 --> 03:45:46,000
and everything that lives here versus

5453
03:45:46,000 --> 03:45:49,040
somewhere else. But to me, when you have

5454
03:45:49,040 --> 03:45:51,920
a voting commission,

5455
03:45:51,920 --> 03:45:53,600
and I've seen it over and over and over

5456
03:45:53,600 --> 03:45:56,160
again, people that are brought in from

5457
03:45:56,160 --> 03:46:01,680
out of area to vote on Provo things, it really leaves some salt.

5458
03:46:01,680 --> 03:46:04,319
And people being on boards that don't

5459
03:46:04,319 --> 03:46:06,319
live here brings in some salt because we

5460
03:46:06,319 --> 03:46:09,199
do have a talent pool here. the arts

5461
03:46:09,199 --> 03:46:12,479
board from what I remember because the

5462
03:46:12,479 --> 03:46:14,640
CVY is so broad and they're trying to

5463
03:46:14,640 --> 03:46:17,600
attract people from all over the county.

5464
03:46:17,600 --> 03:46:19,040
That's where they wanted the three

5465
03:46:19,040 --> 03:46:20,720
people from around the county so that

5466
03:46:20,720 --> 03:46:23,760
it's not just attracting people here in

5467
03:46:23,760 --> 03:46:28,080
Provo. It's about outreach. It's about,

5468
03:46:28,080 --> 03:46:29,920
you know, money and different things

5469
03:46:29,920 --> 03:46:33,040
that they they do within the county, not

5470
03:46:33,040 --> 03:46:35,120
necessarily here in the city. and that's

5471
03:46:35,120 --> 03:46:36,640
why they wanted the three that was

5472
03:46:36,640 --> 03:46:40,950
broader.

5473
03:46:40,960 --> 03:46:43,680
» Thank you. If there's no other council

5474
03:46:43,680 --> 03:46:45,680
discussion, we'll call for a vote then

5475
03:46:45,680 --> 03:46:48,239
on this motion.

5476
03:46:48,239 --> 03:46:51,359
Councelor Whitlock,

5477
03:46:51,359 --> 03:46:52,479
>> yes.

5478
03:46:52,479 --> 03:46:53,600
>> Councelor Bogden,

5479
03:46:53,600 --> 03:46:54,000
>> yes.

5480
03:46:54,000 --> 03:46:55,600
>> Councelor Hoben,

5481
03:46:55,600 --> 03:46:58,479
>> yes. And councelor Garrett, yes. This

5482
03:46:58,479 --> 03:47:01,680
item passes by a vote of 4 Z with

5483
03:47:01,680 --> 03:47:04,880
counselors McKay, Christensen, and

5484
03:47:04,880 --> 03:47:07,840
Whipple excused.

5485
03:47:07,840 --> 03:47:10,479
Our final agenda item is number 17, a

5486
03:47:10,479 --> 03:47:13,439
resolution approving an interlocal

5487
03:47:13,439 --> 03:47:15,920
agreement between Provo City and Orem

5488
03:47:15,920 --> 03:47:19,359
City regarding funding for ORM 2000

5489
03:47:19,359 --> 03:47:22,160
South storm drain project and

5490
03:47:22,160 --> 03:47:23,840
authorizing the mayor to sign the

5491
03:47:23,840 --> 03:47:26,720
agreement on behalf of the city. This

5492
03:47:26,720 --> 03:47:28,960
will be presented by our public works

5493
03:47:28,960 --> 03:47:31,040
engineer, Danielle Dixon. Welcome,

5494
03:47:31,040 --> 03:47:32,720
Danielle.

5495
03:47:32,720 --> 03:47:34,800
>> Thank you. I'll try to be really fast. I

5496
03:47:34,800 --> 03:47:36,160
know you saved the best for last,

5497
03:47:36,160 --> 03:47:36,880
though. So,

5498
03:47:36,880 --> 03:47:39,120
>> we did. [laughter]

5499
03:47:39,120 --> 03:47:40,960
>> Okay. So, this is an interlocal

5500
03:47:40,960 --> 03:47:43,359
agreement for 2000 North or 2000 South

5501
03:47:43,359 --> 03:47:46,720
in uh Oram City. So, we have an existing

5502
03:47:46,720 --> 03:47:49,199
agreement because Provo City owns the

5503
03:47:49,199 --> 03:47:52,160
entire roadway up to the backup curb and

5504
03:47:52,160 --> 03:47:54,880
then north of that is Oram City. Um, so

5505
03:47:54,880 --> 03:47:56,720
we have an agreement on how the road is

5506
03:47:56,720 --> 03:47:59,920
supposed to look and to allow utilities

5507
03:47:59,920 --> 03:48:01,600
from both cities to be placed in that

5508
03:48:01,600 --> 03:48:06,000
road. Um, the location specifically is

5509
03:48:06,000 --> 03:48:10,239
between Geneva Road and the UTA tracks.

5510
03:48:10,239 --> 03:48:12,160
So they'll end right before the UTA

5511
03:48:12,160 --> 03:48:14,399
tracks and it's a just a storm drain

5512
03:48:14,399 --> 03:48:15,920
system that's going down the middle of

5513
03:48:15,920 --> 03:48:18,880
that roadway. Um, in the proposed

5514
03:48:18,880 --> 03:48:22,160
agreement, we are the proposal is that

5515
03:48:22,160 --> 03:48:24,239
Provo City will pay for the cost to

5516
03:48:24,239 --> 03:48:28,720
install a lateral off of that main. Um,

5517
03:48:28,720 --> 03:48:31,439
because that would be our cost. The main

5518
03:48:31,439 --> 03:48:34,880
is ORM city's cost. Um, the biggest

5519
03:48:34,880 --> 03:48:36,640
thing, the biggest stipulation within

5520
03:48:36,640 --> 03:48:39,040
this new agreement is that Orm City is

5521
03:48:39,040 --> 03:48:42,319
not allowed to discharge any city water,

5522
03:48:42,319 --> 03:48:44,640
any of their city water into this system

5523
03:48:44,640 --> 03:48:47,120
until they have an outfall into Lake

5524
03:48:47,120 --> 03:48:49,680
View Parkway and they can't put that in

5525
03:48:49,680 --> 03:48:51,680
until they build their portion of Lake

5526
03:48:51,680 --> 03:48:54,239
View Parkway. So, that is um a

5527
03:48:54,239 --> 03:48:56,000
stipulation within this new proposed

5528
03:48:56,000 --> 03:49:00,239
agreement. Um, here's the plans that

5529
03:49:00,239 --> 03:49:02,880
they have for this project. It's a large

5530
03:49:02,880 --> 03:49:04,720
storm drain. I believe it's a 48 inch

5531
03:49:04,720 --> 03:49:08,239
storm drain main. Um, again going all

5532
03:49:08,239 --> 03:49:11,760
the way up to the UTA just before the

5533
03:49:11,760 --> 03:49:14,479
UTA tracks. Um, the section that's

5534
03:49:14,479 --> 03:49:18,960
highlighted in yellow is the lateral and

5535
03:49:18,960 --> 03:49:21,199
that they'll be connecting in to an

5536
03:49:21,199 --> 03:49:23,520
existing sump that's in Provo City. So,

5537
03:49:23,520 --> 03:49:25,279
we're paying for that cost plus

5538
03:49:25,279 --> 03:49:28,560
additional overall costs that are with

5539
03:49:28,560 --> 03:49:32,000
the contract. So the breakdown is

5540
03:49:32,000 --> 03:49:34,880
there's an overall cost of $900,000.

5541
03:49:34,880 --> 03:49:36,800
We're paying for the materials and labor

5542
03:49:36,800 --> 03:49:39,439
cost to install the lateral and then we

5543
03:49:39,439 --> 03:49:43,199
pay a portion of the overall contract

5544
03:49:43,199 --> 03:49:45,279
like the mobilization, the SWIP costs

5545
03:49:45,279 --> 03:49:47,680
and all of that in addition. So the

5546
03:49:47,680 --> 03:49:53,189
total comes out to $16,52049.

5547
03:49:53,199 --> 03:49:56,560
So in summary, storm drain needs to go

5548
03:49:56,560 --> 03:49:59,279
in so that ORM can have their master

5549
03:49:59,279 --> 03:50:02,800
plan um storm drain system in place and

5550
03:50:02,800 --> 03:50:04,399
it will help with the future whitest

5551
03:50:04,399 --> 03:50:06,640
stone estates which is on the ORM side

5552
03:50:06,640 --> 03:50:10,399
of 2000 north. Um both PLO and ORM city

5553
03:50:10,399 --> 03:50:12,960
staff have agreed to the design and the

5554
03:50:12,960 --> 03:50:16,399
agreement and the contractor and then

5555
03:50:16,399 --> 03:50:19,600
work it says immediately will begin work

5556
03:50:19,600 --> 03:50:22,399
has already begun. So, [laughter]

5557
03:50:22,399 --> 03:50:24,479
>> I've seen those big 48 inch pipes

5558
03:50:24,479 --> 03:50:26,080
already being cut and put in. So, I was

5559
03:50:26,080 --> 03:50:27,840
like, "What?"

5560
03:50:27,840 --> 03:50:29,840
>> Yeah, they they're trying to beat the

5561
03:50:29,840 --> 03:50:31,520
asphalt

5562
03:50:31,520 --> 03:50:34,880
>> um deadline, so they went ahead and got

5563
03:50:34,880 --> 03:50:36,560
started.

5564
03:50:36,560 --> 03:50:38,344
>> Any questions?

5565
03:50:38,344 --> 03:50:38,479
[clears throat]

5566
03:50:38,479 --> 03:50:40,080
>> Any questions for Danielle?

5567
03:50:40,080 --> 03:50:41,680
>> No, that was my big question is I know

5568
03:50:41,680 --> 03:50:43,920
they're doing road work on 20th North

5569
03:50:43,920 --> 03:50:46,479
right now in that spot.

5570
03:50:46,479 --> 03:50:47,359
>> Yeah.

5571
03:50:47,359 --> 03:50:49,439
>> Okay. Thanks.

5572
03:50:49,439 --> 03:50:52,150
>> Thank you.

5573
03:50:52,160 --> 03:50:53,840
We'll open this item for public comment

5574
03:50:53,840 --> 03:50:55,680
if there is anyone who would like to

5575
03:50:55,680 --> 03:50:58,479
make a comment.

5576
03:50:58,479 --> 03:51:00,720
If not, we'll close public comment and

5577
03:51:00,720 --> 03:51:05,189
ask for council discussion.

5578
03:51:05,199 --> 03:51:08,560
Seeing none, we'll call for a vote.

5579
03:51:08,560 --> 03:51:09,760
Councelor Bogden,

5580
03:51:09,760 --> 03:51:10,720
>> yes.

5581
03:51:10,720 --> 03:51:12,239
>> Councelor Hoben,

5582
03:51:12,239 --> 03:51:12,960
>> yes.

5583
03:51:12,960 --> 03:51:14,560
>> Councelor Garrett, yes. Councelor

5584
03:51:14,560 --> 03:51:15,279
Whitlock,

5585
03:51:15,279 --> 03:51:16,640
>> yes.

5586
03:51:16,640 --> 03:51:20,239
This item passes by a vote of 40 with

5587
03:51:20,239 --> 03:51:22,399
councilors McKay, Christensen, and

5588
03:51:22,399 --> 03:51:24,640
Whipple excused. If there's no

5589
03:51:24,640 --> 03:51:26,479
objection, we'll now adjourn the

5590
03:51:26,479 --> 03:51:28,479
municipal council meeting by unanimous

5591
03:51:28,479 --> 03:51:29,359
consent.

5592
03:51:29,359 --> 03:51:31,359
>> Congratulations to all of you who

5593
03:51:31,359 --> 03:51:32,560
stayed.

5594
03:51:32,560 --> 03:51:35,800
>> Good job.