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What's that up with what I come out and

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do?

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» [clears throat]

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» Channel 17, please start recording.

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» Welcome to T-MAC this beautiful August

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20th, 2026 morning.

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Um it's 12:30 and

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we would like to go around do

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introductions and as you're doing your

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introductions, if you have any conflict

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of interest, please let us know. I'll go

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ahead and introduce myself. My name is

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Beth Provit. I am T-MAC chair.

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I'll turn to Noah.

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>> Noah Gordon, T-MAC member.

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>> Oh, no conflict by the way.

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>> We're supposed to all say for the

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record, Noah.

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That's correct.

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>> No conflict.

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>> [laughter]

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>> I'm Ryan Kohler. I'm a

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>> People come to me with their ideas.

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>> contingent T-MAC member, I guess, voting

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member. Um

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involved people.

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>> No conflicts.

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>> Oh.

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I wish they were.

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>> [laughter]

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>> After via public works.

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>> Joseph Gandy, public works.

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>> Eric Keller,

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T-MAC,

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conflict free.

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>> No conflicts.

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>> Hannah Baskin, member.

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>> I'm the PA on the council.

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>> Good morning. No conflicts.

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>> I'm Greg McFarland, T-MAC member, and I

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have no conflicts.

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>> Uh Brian Hiesler, Provo City

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Engineering.

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>> Yeah, I'm sure Provo City Engineering.

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>> Lynn Fortenberry.

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>> Richard Jensen.

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>> I'm starting to draw Provo City Power.

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>> We have um no conflicts.

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>> Great. Uh Rachel, if you could unmute

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and just let us know real quick.

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» Yeah, Rachel Whipple here on the Provo

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» Okay. Thank you so much.

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Okay. Our first item, or I guess our

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second item, is an action item, and we

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want to approve the minutes from June

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approve those minutes?

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» Extra ordinary meeting.

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Minutes. Minutes.

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Meeting.

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>> Thank you, Greg. Okay.

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>> Oh, yeah. Oh, thanks.

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accessibility analysis and Grant is

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>> All right, KayAnn, can you pull up my

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slides? Okay.

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Right, and do you mind if I control

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things and get a mouse here, too?

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I volunteered to do this a few months

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uh best informed by some kind of data

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um and analysis rather than just

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feelings, although feelings are

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on top of feelings is is helpful. Uh so,

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I'm a professor at uh in civil

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engineering at BYU if you did not

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already know that. Um

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look at a slightly different

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take on the East-West connection problem

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that we wanted to talk [clears throat]

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about this year than the one that that

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overview of of the perspective that that

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this. So, we're getting a little bit of

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something, right? There There has to be

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analysis uh uh in his presentation a

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cars move down this road, how freely can

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the transportation system, which is this

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functionally the difference here, it

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doesn't matter how long it takes you to

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accessibility which impedes their

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transportation like quality of life.

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there are ways to measure this

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accessibility and there are different

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ways of doing it. A simple one that we

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see a lot is well, how many jobs can I

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reach from my home within 20 minutes or

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map, draw a line of how far away you can

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of jobs in that space, and that's how

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miles of my store? This is something

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new store somewhere? How many customers

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is the nearest grocery store? How far do

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to do? And then just uh as a as a

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general metric, how much total time do

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accessibility metric more than just a

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little activity. In front of you, you've

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far a meter is, you don't have to. But

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to regularly and how far away from your

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Did anyone not get the sheet, the colorful sheet? I'm

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Officer, would you like to participate

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» So this is how far we wish things were.

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what are the things that we wish were

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10 minutes away from me."

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Whatever.

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» You just said concert venue. That's very

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funny.

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» How far away would you like the concert

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venue to be, Councilwoman?

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VENUE.

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I think of the things I go to a lot,

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I like where I live versus where things

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>> Yeah, well, then then describe your day.

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Describe Describe what you do now.

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» Well, what you're saying is that you

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can't picture things you're making a

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You're making feel Usually one thing

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ramifications, so

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>> Especially, yeah.

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And so, you know, there may be different

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levels of things, right? Like, maybe you

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want your primary care physician to be

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closer to you, but you wouldn't mind

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driving a further distance to get

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[clears throat] to

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specialist or a major

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uh medical center or something like

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that.

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» You could also think, "I would really

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love to

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you know, be able to get to Costco

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quickly, but I don't want to live

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immediately next door to a Costco.

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>> A high school?

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>> Yes, that's right.

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Like, you know, teenagers are delightful

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one-on-one

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and in a group they are

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really difficult.

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>> [laughter]

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» All right, I'll give you just another

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couple minutes to sort of

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think through this.

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is not an exam. I'm not actually

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collecting going to collect your data.

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You're welcome to go.

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Uh give this to your mother and put it

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on her fridge.

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Um

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Okay.

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So, you probably got a an idea of sort

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of how this would look for you.

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Um

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Some things you want closer, some things

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you don't mind being further away.

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But, the idea is you have some kind of

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space

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that you would like to be able to

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perform your daily life, right? It

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doesn't mean you don't want to travel

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Europe. Doesn't mean you don't want to

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go to Salt Lake occasionally. But, if

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you go to Salt Lake for daily

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activities,

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maybe that wears down on you. Um or

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maybe you commute there and that's okay, right? So, there there This

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is the idea here.

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Okay.

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So, now now with that background,

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this this idea here is sort of at the

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core of this analysis that I've done.

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And this analysis is just an

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illustration of an analysis that can be

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done. I don't intend that this be the

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final word on this. I don't intend that

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this be like actual data or be used for

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actual decision-making. This is just an

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illustration.

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Uh so what I what did I do in this

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project? Well, I said, "Let's gather

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some destinations that people might want

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to go to

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and decide some threshold about what I

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think they should be able to travel to

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that distance."

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And it's just asserted we could collect

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the data we could collect data like this

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for everyone in Provo and get more

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realistic uh

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curves and and uh important scales, but

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we didn't do that here. I just asserted

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everything.

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Um based on that, we can look at which

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neighborhoods have good access and bad

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access to various kinds of destinations.

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And then,

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we can look at changes that we make to

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the roadway network or to the land use

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in Provo and see how that affects the

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accessibility of these neighborhoods.

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By the way, feel free to interrupt me at

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any point if if something is unclear or

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if you just want to like dig in deeper

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on an idea.

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Um

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I don't have a particular timeline for

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how fast we get through this. So, you

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want if you want to stop me, it's okay.

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So, the points of interest that I picked

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for this I I chose elementary schools in

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Provo. These are Provo School District

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schools.

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Uh I excluded charter schools although

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they'll show up on the map. I didn't

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include them. I said you should be able

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to get to an elementary school in 5

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minutes. Transportation nodes, you

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should be able to get to these within 15

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minutes. Included I-15 interchanges and

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FrontRunner stations.

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Uh retail stores, 10 minutes and grocery

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stores, 10 minutes and parks, 5 minutes.

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>> I see multiple not getting there too.

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>> Yeah, that's right.

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Uh so I pulled all these points from

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OpenStreetMap or a couple that I made on

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uh I made some apps on my own.

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Uh all right, so here's

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So, these are the transportation nodes

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that I say you should be able to get to

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as many of these as possible in 15

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minutes.

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Here are our grocery stores. This data

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is not perfect because I just scraped it

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from OpenStreetMap.

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There is a Alliance and Fence Supply

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that someone has put in as a grocery

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store.

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>> [laughter]

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>> But, you know what? That's fine because

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there's a Target here where people can

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buy some groceries that's not on the

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map. So, this data is not perfect.

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Here are parks.

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There are a lot of retail stores.

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Basically, anything where they sell

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goods is a retail.

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Um and then here again, the schools,

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although I've excluded like these

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charter schools and high schools from

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the actual analysis data.

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Uh and like for the schools and

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transportation, we just did what's in

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Provo. For the retail, I picked all of

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Utah County.

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Uh

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but functionally, people can't get there

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in 10 minutes. So,

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uh

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This is This is the data points of

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interest that we're looking at.

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Okay, for the highway network, I used

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the Wasatch Front Travel Demand Model

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network calibrated for their 2019 base

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scenario.

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So, it's not the most recent one, but

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it's the one I had most easily

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available.

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Um and I'm using the congested PM travel

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times.

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So,

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uh

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I've colored these links by level of

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service.

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So, dark green means the link has a

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level of service A. Red means it has a

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level of service E or F.

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Uh this road is not actually operating

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at level of service F.

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What it is is the travel model dumps all

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of BYU's activity on these two roads.

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And so, it there's some

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aggregation problems that happen in the

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network from that. But, overall, it's a

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decent network for just getting a skim

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of travel times.

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Um Pros of this, I can use congested

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travel times and I can adjust how fast

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the road is going. The cons of this, it

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does not have every road in it, right?

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It's just You can see the roads that are

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included. It's just kind of high

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capacity facilities. We're missing all

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the uh

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like most Some collectors are in it,

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some are not, and all the local roads

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are in it.

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>> So, this data is 2019 [clears throat]

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data. It's not like MAG's projected

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forward data or anything like

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>> No, this is the 2019 calibration data.

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>> base year

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>> Yeah, so they made it in 2022 using data

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that had been collected pre-pandemic.

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Um

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So, from that network, I can drop a

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point anywhere in space and measure how

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far that person can get in the PM peak

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hour uh within these bands, right? So, a

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point dropped in this neighborhood here,

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right at the mouth of the canyon, can

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get to this blue area in 5 minutes, the

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yellow area in 10, and the red area in

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20, according to the travel model. Your

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mileage may vary.

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Yeah, it's like right at the mouth of

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Provo Canyon there. Well, you can zoom

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in. Where is this person?

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Yeah.

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>> Riverwoods

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>> Yeah, Riverwoods. The Riverwoods is

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right here, kind of up on the hill

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there. I just picked this point at

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random to illustrate

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Um

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This is not perfect, right? It looks for

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the nearest link in the network, so

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there's some distortion that happens

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if the nearest link in the network

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happens to be I-15,

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then that means that they're stuck on a

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one-way link and have to go to the next

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exit before they can get back going the

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other way.

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I didn't like force them to pick the

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nearest two-way link, but you know, so

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there's a little bit of error that comes

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from that. But again, this is just for

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illustration.

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Okay, so let's look at how things are

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currently in Provo with these different

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ideas.

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So, here's my grocery stores map.

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The The darker the household points,

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I I sampled a synthetic household that a

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synthetic population

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at the household level pinned to all the

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parcels in Provo, basically. This I'm

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just showing a sample of points on the

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map here.

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But the darker the the circle, the more

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grocery stores the person can access

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within the the 10-minute band.

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So, access to grocery stores is pretty

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good if you live close to Orem because

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that's where a lot of the the the stores

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are.

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Um it's decent in Central Provo. Again,

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there's this distortion here because

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these people can get to stuff in

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Springville cuz it puts them straight

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onto I-15.

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Um and access to grocery stores is is

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fairly poor in Slate Canyon, which

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you would not know. You would expect.

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>> Surprise, right?

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>> Yep. Uh elementary schools.

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Again, this is this is

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You have great uh access to elementary

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schools in Central Provo

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because there are a lot of schools there

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and you can get to lots of them in

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different directions. Uh if you're on

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the edges of the city, your access is

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going down.

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The number of elementary schools you get

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to might not be the best measure because

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most people only need to get to one.

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Uh

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>> I'm going to guess they're they're all

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by one.

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>> They're all by one, right? And so maybe what we should do with this

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analysis instead of counting how many

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can you get to in 5 minutes, can you get

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to one in 5 minutes?

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>> That's right.

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>> But

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that's that again is is something you

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can you can choose to do.

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Uh transport nodes.

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Uh Edgemont and Tree Streets

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neighborhood have pretty poor access to

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transport nodes relative to the rest of

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the city, which

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>> Right.

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>> Having grown up there, you living there

563
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,680
now, yeah, we we get we get that idea.

564
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,720
But if you live over here uh in in the

565
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,040
west part of Provo, you actually have

566
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,480
exceptional access to transport nodes

567
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,600
cuz that's where the transport nodes

568
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,190
are.

569
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,440
So, what we can do is we can add all

570
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,960
these together and I'm going to move

571
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,960
this a little bit so you can see the

572
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,680
rest of my equation. Um

573
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,000
we can add up all of these different

574
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,760
categories. So, grocery stores, parks,

575
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,000
trails, uh

576
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,280
transport nodes, schools, and retail

577
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,240
things,

578
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,080
multiply them by this weight.

579
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,360
I just picked the weights to kind of

580
00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:58,960
give a number.

581
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,040
Um

582
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,080
the weight on these retail outlets is

583
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,800
really small because a lot of people can

584
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,800
reach hundreds of retail outlets within

585
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,480
a 15-minute band.

586
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,920
So, we've kind of scaled that one down.

587
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,560
We've really scaled up the transport

588
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,480
nodes and schools. Yeah, we could fight

589
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,920
about what what weights these should

590
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,150
get, but that's a discussion for later.

591
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,320
Okay. So, that's our baseline.

592
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,440
Now, [clears throat] we can change the

593
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,120
roadway network or change the land use

594
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:34,560
to see how changes to these roads would make a difference.

595
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,840
And so, I've got three roads.

596
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,560
I couldn't add new roads in this

597
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,040
analysis. I can only change the roads

598
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,640
that were existing. That doesn't mean

599
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,160
you couldn't,

600
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,440
but I didn't here. Um so, 2200 North

601
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,600
between University Parkway and Timpview

602
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,760
Drive,

603
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,720
700-800 roads between Geneva Road and

604
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,040
900 East, and Center Street between

605
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,280
Geneva Road and 900 East.

606
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,640
I took these three east-west corridors

607
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,680
that kind of run across the city that

608
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,240
we've talked about a lot, and we can

609
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,400
make changes to them.

610
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,200
So, 2200 North, this is how

611
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,200
accessibility would change if the entire

612
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,680
road operated at free-flow speed

613
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,640
in the uh PM peak hour.

614
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,000
So, up here in the tree streets in Oak

615
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,400
Hills,

616
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,960
there this person's composite access

617
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,520
score increases by 2.6%

618
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,240
if we take them from the level of

619
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,800
service

620
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,520
B that they're operating at now and move

621
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,840
them to a level of service A.

622
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,680
So, there there's a small increase in

623
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,160
accessibility.

624
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,880
Of course, this this is not equally

625
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,160
distributed across all types, right?

626
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,120
>> we say that road is running at C now?

627
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:47,640
>> At peak time.

628
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,120
>> Yeah, what was your what was your show

629
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,000
what was the rating you had? It was like

630
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,760
It was C or D, right?

631
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,200
>> I think it was level of service D or E,

632
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,000
yeah,

633
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,760
at PM peak hour.

634
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,840
>> Yeah, it's not C.

635
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,360
>> Now, this this so that's

636
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,200
>> data. This is a few years old, so there

637
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,200
may be a discrepancy there, right? So

638
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,280
the baseline here may not be what the

639
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,240
baseline is now,

640
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,040
but this is if you make it totally free

641
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,680
flow. This is how accessibility would

642
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,280
change, and this is whose accessibility

643
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:16,840
would change.

644
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,840
>> So when you point out a 2.6% for that

645
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,480
one household or that one So

646
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,360
aggregately, it I mean, that's just for

647
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,040
that one

648
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,160
>> That's just for that one household. And

649
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,560
we'll look at the aggregate score later.

650
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,600
And when I say this 2.6, this is across

651
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,520
all of the weighted things. We could

652
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,360
pick just transport nodes.

653
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,720
Right? So making this road operate at

654
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,440
free flow speed takes this cluster of

655
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,760
homes

656
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,080
that are close to the mouth of Rock

657
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,440
Canyon and effectively gives them access

658
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,760
to one more transportation node within

659
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,680
that 15-minute threshold.

660
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,560
>> 10 houses?

661
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,640
Right? So it's it's it's a So

662
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,000
really small impact for a very small

663
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,880
group of people.

664
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:00,120
Yeah.

665
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,240
>> I'm sorry if you've already covered

666
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,520
this, but when you say taking it to a

667
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,120
free flow speed, are we talking like

668
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,040
freeway or

669
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,360
>> No, this would be

670
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:07,800
>> post time

671
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,960
>> uncongested, right? So it's it's faster

672
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,320
than the posted speed limit. I think

673
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,280
it's like speed limit plus five is what

674
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,360
the free flow speed is set at.

675
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:17,720
>> And did you talk about

676
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,960
what it would take to accomplish that or

677
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,040
not?

678
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,000
>> No.

679
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000
one asked.

680
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,150
>> Yeah.

681
00:26:23,153 --> 00:26:23,160
» [clears throat]

682
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,040
>> Okay.

683
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,440
Uh parks, right? There's here a little

684
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,880
bit more

685
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,840
uh benefit is is seen with a few oh a

686
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,320
bit of a wider spread, right? These

687
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,560
people can now get to some of the parks

688
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,880
in Northeast Provo faster. These people

689
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,200
can get to some of the parks in West

690
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,840
Provo faster.

691
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,560
Um

692
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,240
grocery stores,

693
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,680
very small benefit for some people in in Wymount.

694
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:49,920
Uh

695
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,560
fairly decent uh spread, but a small

696
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,920
benefit for, um,

697
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,400
retail stores, right? So, this this is

698
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,360
what we can look at.

699
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:01,400
On the other hand, we can also look at

700
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,440
what happens if we make this road, uh,

701
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,120
so there's a 1.1 volume capacity ratio.

702
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,040
So, this is definitely into the F range.

703
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,360
Um, and this is who would be

704
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,320
hurt by that. Right? So, it's a much

705
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,520
different proposition. It's a it's a

706
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,080
wider spread. It's a deeper spread. So,

707
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,800
this these people up in Oak Hills lose

708
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,560
13, 14% of their existing accessibility

709
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,480
if that road suddenly magically becomes

710
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,910
level service F.

711
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,440
Yeah, that's right.

712
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,320
>> Same day.

713
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,880
>> So, this this is not our normal

714
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,760
situation. This is well beyond this is

715
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,880
like crawling traffic.

716
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,200
That's right.

717
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,920
But, the difference between a D and an F

718
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,000
is pretty substantial. It's like

719
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,520
If you think of it as a grade, an A and

720
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,720
a B are 10% apart. A D and an E are 10%

721
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,080
apart. But, in terms of like volume

722
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,760
delay, a D and an F is like twice as bad

723
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,080
as a D, and a D is like 5% worse than an

724
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,440
A. Like, it's it's it's it's not a

725
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,190
linear change.

726
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,760
Um,

727
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,440
transportation notes. Yeah, so a lot So,

728
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,000
people living along this corridor would

729
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,560
see a decrease in their ability to get

730
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,320
to transportation as with these people

731
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,000
up, uh, near the mouth of Rock Canyon.

732
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,240
Um,

733
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,920
we can click through a few of these, but

734
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,680
we'll just go on to the next one.

735
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,560
So, this is 800 700 North. We can do the

736
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,040
same thing. Make that road operate at

737
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,560
free flow speed.

738
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,560
Uh, so this is five over the speed limit

739
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,520
effectively for the whole length of the

740
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,440
road.

741
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,520
Um,

742
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,280
and I'm treating this as one road. In

743
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,560
reality, of course, you'd have to do

744
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,920
some kind of thing, but we don't have

745
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,440
intersection delay in this in this

746
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,000
network. So, people just kind of mesh

747
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,560
through traffic signals, so we don't

748
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,520
worry about that. Yeah.

749
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,200
>> Quick question. So, I guess part of it

750
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,080
was the light. So, when you say free

751
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,160
flow, that's assuming they get all

752
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,840
greens?

753
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,080
>> It's assuming that yeah, they can move

754
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:56,880
perfectly.

755
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,120
>> And then, um you're saying five above.

756
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,720
Um I know with 2200, that's basically

757
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,680
what people are driving already, but I

758
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,760
think it's unintended.

759
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:06,960
>> It would be unintended. Yeah. So,

760
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:07,720
there'd be no vehicles.

761
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,840
>> So, there wouldn't be a backup at the

762
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,040
light or anything.

763
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,630
>> That's right.

764
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,600
And again, this this this network is

765
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,720
aimed at a regional planning. It's not

766
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,000
aimed at like microscopic traffic delay.

767
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,160
So, it doesn't have like left turn

768
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,280
pockets or permitted signals or things

769
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,760
like that. It's just

770
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,920
traffic kind of flows along it.

771
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,560
>> And this is still based all off of 2019

772
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,640
data.

773
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,920
>> It's It's relative to a 2019 calibration

774
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,040
baseline.

775
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:35,800
So,

776
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,280
>> 7800

777
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,760
>> delay is probably

778
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,480
3% higher than it used to. You know,

779
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,720
it's it's not radically different. It's

780
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,080
not like I went back to the 1980s.

781
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,680
>> Yeah.

782
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,040
>> Um

783
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,680
Okay, so yeah, with 7800 North,

784
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,520
here we see the benefits spread across a

785
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,760
much wider area of the city.

786
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Um and some some of the benefits are are fairly big, especially for the

787
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,160
people who live along it.

788
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,560
Um

789
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,320
and you know, they're they're different

790
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,880
for different things, right? So, parks,

791
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,960
for schools,

792
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,600
retail, but again, the benefits are

793
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,600
mostly for

794
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,800
you know, people across core of the

795
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,840
city.

796
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,360
We make this road operate at level of

797
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,120
service F.

798
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,520
It's this This benefit is much more

799
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880
symmetrical than the other one.

800
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,520
So, with 2200 North,

801
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,200
the making it really bad hurts a lot of

802
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,360
people, and making it better helps a

803
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,400
couple,

804
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,560
but here it's it's much more

805
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,400
symmetrical in terms of its effect and

806
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,480
in terms of the number of people.

807
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,360
>> Good corridor.

808
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,240
>> That's right.

809
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Um

810
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,640
And the last road scenario is Center

811
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,280
Street where because I couldn't do the

812
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,840
free flow speed because these are 15

813
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,800
miles an hour, I just set the whole road

814
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,640
to 30 miles an hour

815
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,960
uh which is which means that some people

816
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,640
out here actually see a decrease because

817
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,840
that makes this road these links a

818
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,160
little bit slower than the free flows in

819
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,960
the existing condition.

820
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,320
So, this this gets up Most people have a

821
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,360
positive benefit. Some people actually

822
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,640
have a negative benefit if you make

823
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,760
that whole corridor 30 miles an hour. I

824
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,120
could have cranked it up to 40 to get

825
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,941
rid of that, but that would have been a

826
00:31:15,941 --> 00:31:17,680
>> [laughter]

827
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,840
>> So, but again, you you see some some of

828
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,960
the same basic issues like

829
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,120
fairly large benefits for a few people

830
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,840
some small benefits for a lot of people

831
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,640
spread across mostly the core of of

832
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Provo. Yes.

833
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,560
Uh

834
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,160
Transportation notes, if you did this,

835
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,200
right? You get a big band of people who

836
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,400
benefit here from being able to get to

837
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,760
One more.

838
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,040
It doesn't really change anything for

839
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,240
people who live in this area.

840
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,720
And then for people who live up in the

841
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,080
tree streets up hills, you get to

842
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,000
another

843
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,120
So.

844
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,360
Um

845
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,280
But yeah, so in this mid-range, so if

846
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,720
you're close enough to I-15, you didn't

847
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,280
see any benefit.

848
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,080
If you're just at the right distance

849
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,840
away, you get a bit of a benefit, but if

850
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,520
you're in here, it doesn't really help

851
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,240
you more than it used to.

852
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,120
If you consider this as 15 in, 16 out.

853
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:14,590
Not really help people see things, but that's that's how this analysis is.

854
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,240
Uh and then we could make it slower,

855
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,600
make it level service F and

856
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,990
Okay.

857
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,760
The other benefit of this analysis or

858
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,160
this way of analyzing things is that you

859
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,880
can also change the land use. You can

860
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,400
change the points of interest and look

861
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,040
at how that makes an effect.

862
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,680
Because again, transportation is not

863
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,960
just about the roads and the trains and

864
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,880
the bike paths. It's also about the

865
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,960
places people need to use those things

866
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,520
to get to.

867
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,960
So, in this scenario, I added three

868
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,920
grocery stores to Provo unilaterally.

869
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,920
I said there'll be one west of Center

870
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,240
what on Center Street west of the

871
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,280
freeway. I said there'll be one on 900

872
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,560
East where the Vasa is that used to be a

873
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,480
grocery store and is has been a gym

874
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,320
in various forms for a while and on

875
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,080
State Street in Slate Canyon.

876
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,840
>> You picked like the three biggest

877
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,160
>> Yeah. I I I tried to maximize the

878
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,000
appearance of the That's right. But, you

879
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,520
know, if if you put in these grocery

880
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,760
stores,

881
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,480
it doesn't affect anybody's ability to

882
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,590
get to a park, right? Not at all.

883
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,720
But, it affects a lot of people's

884
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,560
ability to get to an additional grocery

885
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,480
store within that 10 min.

886
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,800
And it's a it's a pretty big jump,

887
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,440
right? This person used to be able to

888
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,520
get to four, now they get to five.

889
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,880
That's a

890
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,760
20% increase.

891
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,200
Um and with the waiting we used,

892
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,680
there's actually a pretty big

893
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,880
benefit across the entire city from

894
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,560
these grocery stores. And then again, we

895
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,560
haven't changed anything about the

896
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,000
roadway network. We've just given an

897
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,080
additional point of interest.

898
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,080
Three additional points of it.

899
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,560
So, we can look at these in aggregate,

900
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,000
all our scenarios together. The way to

901
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,920
read this chart

902
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,480
is

903
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,440
loss on the left mean that people's

904
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,800
accessibility is going down.

905
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Loss on the right mean that their

906
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,760
accessibility is going up.

907
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,679
Um the colors indicate what kind of

908
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,040
score it is with this composite thing

909
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,360
sort of this pale green and like grocery

910
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,760
stores being orange.

911
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,040
The bars indicate the spread of that

912
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,600
benefit. Like some people get a little,

913
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,480
some people get a lot. And

914
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,639
um

915
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:29,760
the size of the dot indicates the

916
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,080
percentage of Provo residents who would

917
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,399
see that average benefit.

918
00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:37,320
This is the bigger the dot, the more

919
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,648
people benefit from it,

920
00:34:39,648 --> 00:34:39,800
>> [music]

921
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,080
>> and the further to the right, the more

922
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,080
benefits they get.

923
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,879
And so, in all of these scenarios,

924
00:34:47,879 --> 00:34:51,080
the biggest and the the most or the

925
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,919
largest composite benefit and the one

926
00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:55,159
that goes to the most people is actually

927
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,320
the grocery store scenario.

928
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,280
Adding three grocery stores would do

929
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,920
more for Provo than making all of our

930
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,920
roads free flow speed.

931
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,920
Or at least these any of these East-West

932
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,640
corridors. We could look at them

933
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,280
together, we could look at other roads,

934
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,120
like we could we could play with these

935
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,240
things.

936
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,040
We could also decide that our grocery

937
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,240
stores are weighted too heavily in this

938
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,280
analysis, let's let's change some other

939
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,430
things and these numbers would change.

940
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,280
Again, this is not like

941
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,040
an analysis that should now be used in

942
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,360
policy making, right? We we would need

943
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,440
to go through and figure out what the

944
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,320
weights are, what the

945
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,480
>> weights? Was it 0.3? Your highest

946
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,880
weighting was for grade schools.

947
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,000
>> Yeah, grade schools are 0.5. I think

948
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,040
grocery stores are 0.2.

949
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:40,960
>> It wasn't incredibly high.

950
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,160
right?

951
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,560
>> Conceptually, it's like if you put the

952
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,680
things people go to closer to them, you

953
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,320
don't need as much traffic.

954
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,720
>> That's exactly right.

955
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,200
Um especially when you when you think of

956
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,560
a place like Costco,

957
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,200
right? You get you get the people from

958
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,000
traveling from all the way out here on

959
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,400
the road,

960
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,120
plus the people traveling from here on

961
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,160
the road, plus the people traveling from

962
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,640
here, and all the traffic stacks up on

963
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,000
the roadway.

964
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,000
Whereas if you have another thing for them to go

965
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,240
to,

966
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,480
then the the additive traffic problem

967
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,480
gets less important.

968
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,480
>> All of this is mobility or not mobility,

969
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,680
it's accessibility. It's not really

970
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,200
measuring mobility, right?

971
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,720
>> That's right.

972
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:26,680
>> So, like if you say 15 minutes to the

973
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,080
freeway, but somebody lives an eighth of

974
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,360
a mile off the freeway, but they have to

975
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,760
drive parallel to the freeway for 15

976
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,960
minutes to get on, they're unhappy,

977
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:35,600
right?

978
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,280
>> That's right.

979
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,760
>> So even though it looks good here, it's

980
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,720
like that's

981
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,280
people aren't getting a like like if you

982
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,160
say, "Okay, if you're within 15 minutes,

983
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,680
that's great." But if you're only a

984
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,160
block away and it takes you 15 minutes

985
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,520
to get there, you're mad.

986
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,280
>> Now in this in this case, because we're

987
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,240
using the network path travel time, it

988
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,160
would get how far the way they are on

989
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,000
the network, not how far away they are

990
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,400
in space.

991
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:58,880
Right?

992
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,520
>> Yeah.

993
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,520
>> Unless they happen to live immediately

994
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,480
next to the freeway, in which case they

995
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,680
might this method might make them use

996
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,720
the freeway to get there.

997
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,870
>> I would love to see freeway on there.

998
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,630
» Yeah, the freeway specifically. Yeah.

999
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,280
» Yeah, I mean it also depend on your

1000
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,200
mobility and in what form of traffic you

1001
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,600
want. Like if if you want to if you want

1002
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,000
to walk, what is a 15-minute walking

1003
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,440
time versus driving time versus biking

1004
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,720
time?

1005
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:27,800
>> Yeah, so so looking at the limitations,

1006
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,400
right? Like we could talk about which

1007
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,120
POIs are important to include and which

1008
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,400
ones are not.

1009
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,840
Right? Calling all retail stores the

1010
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,040
same thing is probably not correct.

1011
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,720
Um calling all grocery stores the same

1012
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,120
thing is also probably not correct,

1013
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,440
right? The Hilleman Halls Creamery shows

1014
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,200
up in this data set

1015
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,120
uh in the same form that Harmon's does,

1016
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,160
right? And that that's not correct.

1017
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,840
>> And like I think accessibility to

1018
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,640
employment is really difficult to show

1019
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,960
because a lot of people, you know, they

1020
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,800
have to drive out of town to go to work.

1021
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,120
>> right.

1022
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,520
>> And where are they going? It's like you

1023
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,640
have to look at the max.

1024
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:58,760
>> But it's also it's also tricky though

1025
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,880
because like

1026
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,320
yeah, you you have to look at a wider

1027
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,560
scale, but people only have like one or

1028
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,120
two jobs, right? And so getting like

1029
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,360
having access to 60,000 jobs within 30

1030
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,560
minutes

1031
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,200
>> And everybody specializes.

1032
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,520
>> care about your own job.

1033
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,360
>> Not all jobs are equal. All jobs are

1034
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,800
very unequal, right?

1035
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,800
>> Well, then we also have to realize that

1036
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,360
each person or family has a choice

1037
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,080
>> Yeah.

1038
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,760
>> of where they're wanting to live versus

1039
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,880
where they I mean there's some

1040
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,600
affordability issues there, too, but it

1041
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,640
is a matter of I like this neighborhood.

1042
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,000
>> Right.

1043
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,440
>> in this neighborhood, so that eliminates

1044
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,120
or that immediately

1045
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,520
limits exactly what their mobility is,

1046
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,440
right? For instance, if they're

1047
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,120
efficient.

1048
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,360
>> So, there is a matter of choice of

1049
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,240
individuals as well.

1050
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,680
>> Yeah, I mean we're everyone here is

1051
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,680
choosing in the form of constraints and things like that. Um another big one

1052
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,000
is these are all hypothetical trips.

1053
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,960
This gets to your point about the the

1054
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,160
employment thing, right? This is what

1055
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,200
you could do, not what you were actually

1056
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,280
doing.

1057
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,280
Um the activity-based models that WFRC

1058
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,960
is working on would allow us to do that

1059
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:01,760
kind of thing, where we look at a

1060
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,360
synthetic person, look at their modeled

1061
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,236
work location, and figure

1062
00:39:06,236 --> 00:39:07,680
[clears throat] out how changes to the

1063
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,680
network would help would help or hurt

1064
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,880
them on their specific daily trips.

1065
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,840
Um that's that's a

1066
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,760
further step that requires more complex

1067
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,200
tools than I can crunch a week.

1068
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:19,880
Um

1069
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,040
but

1070
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,600
So, yeah, there's a lot of limitations

1071
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,600
in this analysis.

1072
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,040
There are a lot of limitations in level

1073
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,440
of service analysis, as well, right? But

1074
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,640
I think I think pairing these two

1075
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,880
analyses together

1076
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,040
helps get helps us get a better picture

1077
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,360
of well, what who would be who would

1078
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,720
benefit, who would pay,

1079
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:41,240
what would be the benefits be, how

1080
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,080
widespread they would be, um and I think

1081
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,680
doing this kind of analysis for these

1082
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,160
kinds of east-west corridor discussions

1083
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,680
would help Provo City make better

1084
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,280
decisions

1085
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,280
than just oh, this road's really bad,

1086
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,710
let's make it wider.

1087
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,800
» If we were to settle on one of the three

1088
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,240
east-west corridors

1089
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,240
without the grocery stores, I mean cuz I get what you're saying, which is

1090
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:08,800
you put people

1091
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,960
what they want, where they're wanting to

1092
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,960
go close to them, they don't need to be

1093
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,800
on the network, but let's pretend that

1094
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,520
we don't get those three grocery stores.

1095
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,920
>> Then which of those three corridors

1096
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,920
comes out kind of as the leader that

1097
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,680
gives the biggest benefit?

1098
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,520
>> Well, it it 20

1099
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,200
>> other things being, you know, just based

1100
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:27,920
on your

1101
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,640
>> Yeah, so if you look at this composite

1102
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,680
Well, if you look at the composite

1103
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,880
score,

1104
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,000
Center Street and and 800 North are

1105
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,560
pretty close.

1106
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,200
Um there's a big

1107
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,960
They both have kind of a wide spread,

1108
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,040
right?

1109
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,040
Um if you were if your job was we want

1110
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,040
to get people to transportation faster,

1111
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,720
then 800 North would definitely be the

1112
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,240
best.

1113
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:50,480
Um

1114
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,920
but you know, some people would benefit

1115
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,880
a lot and some people would not benefit

1116
00:40:53,880 --> 00:41:01,670
as much as the average of Center Street.

1117
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,160
I don't know that any of these can

1118
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:09,070
happen exactly as we put it, right?

1119
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,960
It would be a huge issue. But I mean, if you made if you made 100 North

1120
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,560
free flow speed and tied it in fast to

1121
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,080
Center Street, it would effectively be

1122
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,950
the same.

1123
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,720
» So if I'm understanding right,

1124
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:25,600
the

1125
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:26,600
according to this analysis, the thing

1126
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,640
that would actually have the largest

1127
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,160
impact on

1128
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,400
would be having more groceries.

1129
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,268
>> Yeah, or yeah.

1130
00:41:34,268 --> 00:41:36,670
>> [laughter]

1131
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,160
» No, but what I think is interesting is

1132
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,280
the city's not in the business of

1133
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,640
building groceries.

1134
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,160
So I constantly on Facebook on the Provo

1135
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,800
pages people saying, you know, the city

1136
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,040
needs to give us a Westside grocery.

1137
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Well, the city doesn't The city's not

1138
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,160
Kroger.

1139
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,120
So but what is interesting is while the

1140
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,320
city isn't in the business of building

1141
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,240
grocery stores, cities all over the

1142
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,560
country have been in the business of

1143
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,400
creating subsidies for larger

1144
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,480
further space apart

1145
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,360
mega retail grocery and then things for

1146
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,880
years. And that's what's created this

1147
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,160
problem. Is that Provo used to be dotted

1148
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,320
with neighborhood grocery stores. My my

1149
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,840
business my building was a grocery

1150
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,960
store, and there was one one block away.

1151
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,680
And I just think that were groceries

1152
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,040
more expensive than in Walmart?

1153
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,880
Probably. But, how much are we paying

1154
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,280
for road construction, for road

1155
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,840
widening, for gas, for travel time?

1156
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,800
Like, it doesn't make sense. So, while

1157
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,840
the cities, I think, have created this

1158
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,120
problem,

1159
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,680
the cities, unless they want to go into

1160
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,280
the grocery business, can't fix it.

1161
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,160
>> It's interesting you mentioned the west

1162
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,120
side and they have such great flow and

1163
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,080
everything because there aren't that

1164
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,360
many people.

1165
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,280
The grocery stores don't want to go

1166
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,440
there cuz there's not enough people.

1167
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,880
Like, the same thing is

1168
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,360
Yeah. And you mentioned the incentives

1169
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,040
and stuff. Provo has been taking a poll

1170
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,400
last 5 years.

1171
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,800
They email me. So, it's just people who

1172
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,720
are what Whatever it comes up, it's for

1173
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:58,760
5 years it come up a lot.

1174
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,920
And I don't shop at Walmart.

1175
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,000
But, everyone shops at Walmart. And it

1176
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,560
just cracks me up. I'm like, from

1177
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,040
wealthy to not wealthy, it Cuz cuz cuz I I my thing was like, "Oh, let's

1178
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,120
get you to a Day's. Let's get you to a

1179
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,320
Day's on the west side and on south

1180
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,720
I love Day's.

1181
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:14,960
You grew up there?

1182
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,560
>> Uh

1183
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,080
>> Yeah, all the time. And when I lived in

1184
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,200
the south When I lived in south Yeah,

1185
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,240
when I lived in southeast Provo, I just

1186
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:23,080
wanted Day's every day.

1187
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,840
And so, I moved back there. But,

1188
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,400
I'll give the citizens that all ask for

1189
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,600
Walmart. And I said, "Well, what are you

1190
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,640
going to What are you going to shop

1191
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,640
there?" I said, "Are you ridiculous? You

1192
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,960
have ridiculous prices." You know what

1193
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:32,680
it

1194
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,000
It's such a hard thing cuz people want

1195
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,240
what they want. And they're willing to

1196
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,360
go spend a hundred million dollars at

1197
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,320
the fork in Orem to shop at Walmart.

1198
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,480
Provo citizens.

1199
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,960
So, I don't It's like

1200
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,400
>> I drive to Orem to shop at Harmon's.

1201
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:47,800
>> What?

1202
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,560
>> I drive to Orem to shop at Harmon's.

1203
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,120
>> So do I.

1204
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,000
But, um we spend

1205
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,880
Provo citizens spend a hundred million

1206
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,080
about a hundred just under a hundred

1207
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,720
million at

1208
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:00,080
Springville

1209
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,600
and Orem for Walmart and at Smith's and

1210
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,080
Springville. I mean, that's what they

1211
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,600
want. That's what they choose to do. You

1212
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:06,320
do it.

1213
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,800
>> Every Sunday night I

1214
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,505
go to the Walmart.

1215
00:44:09,505 --> 00:44:11,470
>> [laughter]

1216
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:11,520
[clears throat]

1217
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,160
>> First special on the show.

1218
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,200
>> thing, what people do want.

1219
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,760
>> Well, you don't know if if there was a

1220
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,640
Days on the west side, would people use

1221
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:19,560
it? I don't

1222
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,360
>> Well, but when we've gone out, like that

1223
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,760
one selfie, what was that one? It was

1224
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,800
such a total produce.

1225
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,560
If if there was a woodworking place

1226
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,680
>> And um Alan.

1227
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,440
>> You know, it didn't make it. The Amish

1228
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,760
store didn't make it. It's just sad. I

1229
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,520
don't I don't know what the answer is.

1230
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,200
>> Yeah, I mean, with grocery stores, I

1231
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,000
just I have a paper being published next

1232
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,120
week about grocery store accessibility

1233
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,280
in Utah.

1234
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,440
Um

1235
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,960
and in doing the research for this,

1236
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,800
margins at grocery stores are super

1237
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,080
tiny. They're so small. And so, by

1238
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,240
aggregating everything into a

1239
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,880
supermarket, you can you can actually

1240
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,360
run a functioning business on

1241
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,280
agglomeration, right? And so, and Days

1242
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,720
does not try to compete on price. It

1243
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:01,520
tries to compete on service.

1244
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,400
>> I'm I'm going to reel it back just a

1245
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,440
little bit just because

1246
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,600
It's great we're talking about grocery

1247
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,200
stores, but grocery stores is not what

1248
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,680
this meeting is about. We're about

1249
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,480
transportation and how to get to places.

1250
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,360
So, I appreciate the analysis on adding

1251
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,400
those grocery store points would make

1252
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,080
transportation

1253
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,040
easier,

1254
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,280
depending on choices people make of

1255
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,360
where they want to go shopping.

1256
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,240
Um I find it very interesting

1257
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:31,280
the transportation nodes is kind of what

1258
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,400
I was focusing on a little bit, getting

1259
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,120
to and from the major transportation

1260
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,600
nodes, getting to the freeway, to the

1261
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,400
tracks, and

1262
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,080
making 820 faster

1263
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,400
and 2200 North faster

1264
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,680
and free flowing, how

1265
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,400
much that increases people's ability to

1266
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,600
get to the transportation nodes, get to

1267
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,240
the places to go to these other places,

1268
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,640
or to

1269
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,760
>> Well, it's it's it's a big change,

1270
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,640
but it affects a very small number of

1271
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,080
people, especially the 2200 North one,

1272
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,720
right? There are like 10 households that

1273
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:09,360
have a big change.

1274
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,560
>> But the 820 North 8 home North one,

1275
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,440
a lot of people.

1276
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,760
>> Well, it's it's about

1277
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,880
uh it's about 10% of Provo households.

1278
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,350
>> Okay.

1279
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,960
It wasn't about just the households. We

1280
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,720
had a presentation by IAC the other day

1281
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:29,160
at our meeting.

1282
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,190
And you know, they bring in

1283
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,680
how many companies

1284
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:36,080
>> What is

1285
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,320
>> How many employees are there that come

1286
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:37,560
in there?

1287
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,800
>> There is 2200.

1288
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,240
>> 2200 that commute in and drive their

1289
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:43,000
car.

1290
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,280
And the um and they talked about

1291
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,480
ambulance trips. Like their ambulance

1292
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,360
trips shocked me. I had no idea cuz they

1293
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,160
do all the ambulances from all South

1294
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,560
Utah.

1295
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,360
You know, and they're extremely

1296
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,880
good in 820 right there.

1297
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,840
They have that

1298
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,880
freeway interchange there. And the

1299
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,160
difference

1300
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,320
even in ambulance time, they say they

1301
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,640
could cut down saving lives. And that's

1302
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,160
the the speed at which ambulances could

1303
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,320
actually get to the hospital from the

1304
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,920
west side and from South Provo. There's

1305
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,600
an interchange there instead of coming

1306
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,440
from so far all through University

1307
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,720
Parkway or center.

1308
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,360
>> But so would a trauma center in Spanish

1309
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,830
Fork.

1310
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:19,520
» I I think

1311
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,560
>> But they're still

1312
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,920
>> I mean, they're they're all driving past

1313
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,560
the hospital in Spanish Fork to get to

1314
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:24,800
the one in Provo.

1315
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,200
>> Hospitals are at a higher level, right?

1316
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,320
>> That's that's right. Yeah.

1317
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,240
>> say you have a regional hospital versus

1318
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,000
just a small trauma center.

1319
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,880
Even small trauma centers can't

1320
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,960
deal with certain things. They would

1321
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,120
have to go to the regional center.

1322
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,400
Um

1323
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,030
but I

1324
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,160
To me, it if you're focusing on

1325
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,760
transportation, you're focusing the

1326
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,160
other issue I see with

1327
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,840
accessibility

1328
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,720
is accessibility to businesses like

1329
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:53,160
Center Street

1330
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,440
and everything. Center Street

1331
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,400
the interchange, the whole Center Street

1332
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,680
corridor.

1333
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,720
Big talking point for it. Um and I

1334
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:03,600
appreciate the fact that you're focusing

1335
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,200
on accessibility and points of interest

1336
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,720
because I think that's a really big

1337
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,160
thing for business owners cuz if we have

1338
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,240
roads that are not functioning as they

1339
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:14,840
could be,

1340
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,520
Provo City is losing out on

1341
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,720
millions of dollars.

1342
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:20,120
>> I think there's there's two sides to

1343
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,880
that coin, though, right? Where if you make Center Street

1344
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,640
that cars can so that cars can drive by

1345
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,560
it more quickly,

1346
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,000
you will actually kill the businesses

1347
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,880
that are there.

1348
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,120
>> So, my question on that is that to be

1349
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,240
able to help businesses and as we're

1350
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:39,000
looking at transportation, cuz we do, we

1351
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,760
want to thrive in downtown.

1352
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,440
So, what alternative things can we do?

1353
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,160
We've talked about 100 North. We have

1354
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,440
talked about pushing to 300 South

1355
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,600
because the state already is expanding

1356
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,800
that need that a huge corridor.

1357
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,040
What are things that we as a community

1358
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,680
could recommend to City Council, to the

1359
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,120
mayor to say, "Hey, this would be

1360
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,880
something that could

1361
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,600
really impact

1362
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,680
downtown Provo in a good way."

1363
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,240
>> And I think I think this analysis that

1364
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:07,440
we've done here should not inform that

1365
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,920
discussion, right? I think I think what

1366
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,240
we would need to do is take this and do

1367
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,760
it in a way that we can all agree on

1368
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,960
and we, I mean the professionals that Provo City hires, is the

1369
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,560
consultants that they hire, um

1370
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,120
to implement this as as a additional way

1371
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,560
of looking at how Provo City functions.

1372
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,520
Um I think just looking at traffic

1373
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:30,520
>> analysis

1374
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,840
of how this analysis could help?

1375
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:33,960
What is your quick summary of how this

1376
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:34,280
analysis

1377
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,720
>> You see who benefits and how they

1378
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,200
benefit. Whereas the mo- a level service

1379
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,840
analysis just says, "Let's make this

1380
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:40,640
road faster."

1381
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,240
>> There's always multiple solutions to a

1382
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:44,480
problem. And the real world isn't nice

1383
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,800
like a math equation. So, if you have

1384
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,880
everybody not commuting all far away

1385
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,240
along the same corridor, if you can

1386
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,480
provide them alternate places to be that

1387
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,560
satisfy what they're looking for, the

1388
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,280
traffic needs on that corridor don't

1389
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,280
exist. You're you're eliminating the

1390
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,520
problem before it's a problem.

1391
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,480
And that's honestly ideally the best

1392
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,920
thing you can do. Now, it's very

1393
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,720
difficult. If we had like grocery

1394
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,080
stores, those three additional grocery

1395
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,920
stores, that's great. But can we here

1396
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,160
build them? Are we in that business?

1397
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,640
Right? If you build those grocery

1398
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,240
stores, that frees up the road for

1399
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,320
everybody else who uses those roads, so

1400
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,360
they should be happier. People have the

1401
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,840
grocery store closer to themselves

1402
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,360
should be happier. And you're avoiding

1403
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,360
having to fork out an intense amount of

1404
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,960
money to build up your transportation

1405
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,560
system because people don't need to go

1406
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,600
that far for what they need. And that is

1407
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,080
the ideal, right? Now, that's not the

1408
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,680
reality we live in, but that is the

1409
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:37,760
ideal.

1410
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,560
>> I mean I mean you guys have spent untold

1411
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:40,840
millions

1412
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,440
trying to get everyone in Saratoga

1413
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,080
Springs out of Saratoga Springs every

1414
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:44,960
day

1415
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,720
instead of just

1416
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,040
building some places for people to work

1417
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,200
in Saratoga Springs.

1418
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:50,040
>> Yes.

1419
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,240
Brynn, you have something?

1420
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:54,920
>> Well, I think the clear picture is how

1421
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,640
important land use is tied to

1422
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,760
transportation. I think we're all aware

1423
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,800
of that, but I think a couple of these

1424
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,560
slides really took home how important

1425
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,160
that message is of land use associated.

1426
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,080
So, I I appreciate Greg's effort here to

1427
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,760
really show us how they

1428
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,600
uh can impact. I think uh Greg is to be

1429
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,520
uh recognized for his good work on that,

1430
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,160
and uh I think the healthy discussion

1431
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,040
that I'm hearing, uh by the way, we're

1432
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,760
doing everything we can to get a grocery

1433
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,360
store in Southeast Provo.

1434
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,080
>> [laughter]

1435
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,440
>> We're doing some

1436
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,760
Yeah, uh we're we're recruiting, okay?

1437
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,680
I I want to put a agency together

1438
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,240
recruit a grocery store down there, but

1439
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,480
uh it's happening. It's happening, so.

1440
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,680
>> I do I do think that if one thing if I

1441
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,040
could make one recommendation out of

1442
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,760
this discussion, I'll make two.

1443
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,080
The city engineers should think about

1444
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,800
this when they do these things.

1445
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,280
The second is we have a we have a

1446
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,000
liaison from the planning commission

1447
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,040
here.

1448
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,640
Do we have a liaison to them?

1449
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,560
Like is there somebody on the

1450
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,120
transportation commission?

1451
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,360
Is it the same person?

1452
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:04,680
>> Yeah.

1453
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,920
>> Okay. All right, that's fine.

1454
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,680
>> I I appreciate that you put this

1455
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,200
together and I appreciate the looking at

1456
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,720
the impact of these things. I would

1457
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:15,920
almost I don't I don't know. I guess I

1458
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,760
would recommend possibly sending this on

1459
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,440
to city council.

1460
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,480
And then let them see

1461
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,400
if that's just

1462
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,360
as a document we could

1463
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,360
>> We can do that after that because we'll

1464
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,760
need to put it in the minutes and we're

1465
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,560
happy to forward it on to anybody.

1466
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,040
>> I yeah, I can render this to PDF. It

1467
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,990
won't have the fancy script.

1468
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,520
» Rachel here. I just wanted to say the

1469
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,160
thing that I thought was interesting was

1470
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,560
usually when we have a new business or

1471
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,880
something going in and we look at the

1472
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,920
traffic study, we're concerned about the

1473
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,960
additional traffic that will be

1474
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,600
generated and the impact on you know,

1475
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,240
the local streets.

1476
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,160
And this was making me think about it

1477
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,280
differently. Like the people who will be

1478
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,200
benefiting in the area by having that

1479
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,080
you know, attraction close to it. Um and

1480
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,080
I don't know that that I've seen traffic

1481
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,240
studies looking at the benefit as

1482
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:11,960
opposed to just the burden in that way

1483
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,950
before.

1484
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,360
» That's a really good a really good

1485
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,760
point. Um California changed and it no

1486
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,720
longer uses level of service analysis in

1487
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,680
its traffic impact studies.

1488
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,720
It's changed to something that is really

1489
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,760
unworkable and hard to deal with. But uh

1490
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,240
And so I wouldn't recommend necessarily

1491
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,320
doing what they do. Um

1492
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,760
But thinking about this, yeah, like not

1493
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,600
just the extra activity and how where

1494
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,880
all these people going to park, but will

1495
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,400
this actually reduce

1496
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,920
the distance people travel to get

1497
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,400
somewhere else and then would that be a

1498
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,440
benefit for Provo's roadways? Yeah.

1499
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,120
>> Again, thank you so much for putting

1500
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,960
together and we will

1501
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,240
hopefully this can be sent on to

1502
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,200
the council.

1503
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,960
>> Or would you like me to send a link?

1504
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:58,480
>> I don't know.

1505
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,920
>> If you send a link, just put the link to

1506
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:00,440
my email.

1507
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,680
>> in. That way they don't have to PDF that

1508
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:03,440
message.

1509
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:04,600
>> Perfectly.

1510
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,560
>> Um we have about 10 minutes left real

1511
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,800
quick. So I just wanted to get to the

1512
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,040
engineering projects update and I know

1513
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,280
we're going to have more discussion on

1514
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,280
these West End connectivity next time

1515
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,960
kind of a

1516
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,360
what I'd like you guys to bring up for

1517
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,000
next time is kind of your final analysis

1518
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,480
on all the information we've heard about

1519
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,360
East-West connectivity and any

1520
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,280
major points or thoughts. I know I have

1521
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,120
got a couple written down here and so

1522
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,800
next time we'll talk about major points

1523
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,360
and thoughts on it and any potential

1524
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,910
ideas and or recommendations we might

1525
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,160
And then

1526
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,160
uh I'd like to turn it over to the

1527
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,960
engineering staff for our updates real

1528
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:42,840
quick.

1529
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,920
>> I'm going to quickly start with the our

1530
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,520
State Street Trail update um from 300

1531
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,960
South to 9th South.

1532
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,920
Uh we ran into a storm drain issue where

1533
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,800
we had to go and redesign that. Spent a

1534
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,760
couple weeks redesigning, waiting for

1535
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,000
UDOT to approve that that uh change and

1536
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,640
then we're back to work on that. So if

1537
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,360
you haven't seen anything happening out

1538
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,480
there in 2 weeks, that is why.

1539
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,520
Uh 600 South Trail update from 100 East

1540
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,680
or 100 West to 4th

1541
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,400
East is moving forward at Center

1542
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,080
Construction. Um

1543
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,760
the railroad has cooperated and we're

1544
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,160
moving forward with that project.

1545
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,000
Um the the 820 North Bridge ribbon

1546
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,200
cutting is this Saturday.

1547
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,960
Um it starts at

1548
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,760
ribbon cutting for the bridge and trail

1549
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,920
starts at 11:00 for bike decorating and

1550
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,440
then at 11:30 we have some remarks from

1551
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,520
the mayor and and uh public works

1552
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,400
director. Ribbon cutting is 11:45 and

1553
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,720
then uh we get to ride underneath the

1554
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:47,800
bridge for the uh people have already

1555
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,160
been doing it. Uh so we'll do that uh

1556
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,040
and you can see the new mural that's

1557
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,000
under the bridge. Um

1558
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,280
>> It's really awesome. I'm excited to see

1559
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:56,720
it.

1560
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:00,200
>> That project uh came in just about 3

1561
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,960
weeks later than we anticipated uh for

1562
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,440
the road and about 6 weeks later than we

1563
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,720
anticipated for the trail. That's

1564
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:11,360
We didn't want anybody disturbing the

1565
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,680
artwork while it was under construction.

1566
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,600
So it's better just to keep things

1567
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,080
closed instead of closed we open closed

1568
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,400
we you know.

1569
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,120
So but the project is under budget. So

1570
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,560
we're very happy with the way that

1571
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:24,920
turned out. David Nicholson did an

1572
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,200
excellent job as project manager on

1573
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,960
that. Um

1574
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,440
I really believe that uh we want to

1575
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,480
invite all of you come out uh for that

1576
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,440
on Saturday morning. So we'll be in

1577
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,080
attendance on that. Uh Joseph anything

1578
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,560
else you want to say about that?

1579
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,240
>> Great.

1580
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:47,360
>> Okay and then University Avenue Bridge replacement update. Uh

1581
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,600
I don't know if anyone geeked out like I

1582
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,160
did. I went out there

1583
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,920
uh Saturday night and watched them take

1584
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,320
the beams off the big truck and then

1585
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,080
load the beams onto the bench and then they got out of sequence so

1586
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,680
then they had to load the beams off the

1587
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,560
truck and put it to the side um and then

1588
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,200
the next night they tried to catch up

1589
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,040
doing the work but anyway

1590
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,400
fun stuff right?

1591
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,160
Um it was fascinating to to continue to

1592
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,040
see uh that bridge going up. Uh so

1593
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,600
excited um

1594
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:15,600
anyway

1595
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,640
uh if I can answer any questions on that

1596
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,920
let me know. Heyon's got the last 5

1597
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,040
minutes. I'm going to head to my 1:30

1598
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,360
meeting and uh it's always good to see

1599
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,560
you guys and

1600
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,080
I'll talk with you guys about the next

1601
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,280
agenda. Okay?

1602
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:28,840
Thanks.

1603
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:29,880
>> Good night everyone.

1604
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,870
>> Thanks.

1605
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,760
» Okay. Well,

1606
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:35,920
what I'm going to do is we're going to

1607
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,600
do a quick update on our capital

1608
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,280
improvement projects. These are just

1609
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,480
some of the projects. Um

1610
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,400
not all of them.

1611
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,920
Uh here is our CDBG project. This is in

1612
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,600
Franklin neighborhood. We did we

1613
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,320
targeted total of 12 intersections.

1614
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,120
32 new ADA ramps were installed and we

1615
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,080
did improve some sidewalk as well at the

1616
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,200
intersection, obviously.

1617
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,600
Um

1618
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,840
the total for that Franklin neighborhood

1619
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,360
was about 100 and thousand-ish.

1620
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,800
Um we did get total of 150,000. Mind you

1621
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,200
again, this was a CDBG application. The

1622
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,520
remaining funding, which was about 40,

1623
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,120
35,000,

1624
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,480
we transferred that to another CDBG

1625
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,760
application that I did last year uh for

1626
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,480
Foothill neighborhood. This is close to

1627
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,440
the Wasatch Elementary, the new Wasatch

1628
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,240
Elementary School.

1629
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,120
Uh we did total of 14 new ADA ramps

1630
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,640
there. We targeted a bunch of

1631
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,720
intersections, as you could see. This

1632
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,760
one right here, 1250 East on the east

1633
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,720
side, the whole road was or the whole

1634
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,520
sidewalk or gutter was improved.

1635
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,320
Um the other sections that you see,

1636
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,320
these are spot improvements at the

1637
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,720
intersections. Mainly, you're looking at

1638
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,440
ADA and program gutter improvements.

1639
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:49,640
>> Grinding down.

1640
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:50,680
>> Sidewalk, new sidewalk.

1641
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:51,680
>> New sidewalk.

1642
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,080
>> That was a big project.

1643
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,560
>> I like that project.

1644
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,000
>> 1250 East looks a lot better. There were

1645
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,440
a lot of um drainage issues. Obviously,

1646
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,680
ADA was out of compliance. The driveways

1647
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,640
were out of compliance.

1648
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,720
When we improved uh 1250 East, the west

1649
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,360
side, I had a most of these residents,

1650
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,520
whenever they would see me, they would

1651
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,760
stop and like, "Hey, when are you going

1652
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,480
to do similar improvements on our side

1653
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:17,560
of the road?"

1654
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,440
I let them know unfortunately the amount

1655
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,520
of funding that I had I was able to only

1656
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,640
do what I'm able to do here, but I'll

1657
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,400
certainly reapply next year to make some

1658
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,200
more improvements, if if funded,

1659
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,400
obviously.

1660
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,760
Um this is some of the pictures of that

1661
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,520
1250 East as well as the other locations

1662
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,710
in the Foothill neighborhood.

1663
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,840
And then 900 East 900 South sidewalk

1664
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,200
improvement project. This was not a CDBG

1665
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:45,760
application.

1666
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,560
We used our capital funding to make some

1667
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,520
sidewalk improvements here.

1668
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,400
Uh project turned out really good.

1669
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:53,520
Again, uh

1670
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,440
on the other side of the road, west side

1671
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:56,640
of the road,

1672
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,520
we got a lot of interest from our

1673
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,080
residents. They want to see similar

1674
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,280
improvement on their side as well. Uh

1675
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,080
this section did not have carbon gutter

1676
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,280
or sidewalk. Uh so this is brand new

1677
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,960
sidewalk, brand new carbon gutter. It

1678
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,160
was a huge connectivity issue that that

1679
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,080
we were able to resolve.

1680
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,000
Uh we didn't

1681
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,760
build two new driveway accesses based on

1682
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,560
our residents' requests.

1683
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,200
Um and then obviously there were some

1684
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,440
ADA ramps that went in here. Part of the

1685
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,640
project, we also installed a new cross

1686
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,280
gutter. Uh we had a cross gutter that was

1687
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,720
falling falling apart. We improved that

1688
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,240
with a brand new uh

1689
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,960
cross gutter there as well.

1690
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:34,880
And uh

1691
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,920
more pictures of the project, obviously.

1692
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,520
Uh this year I applied for two more CDBG

1693
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,920
applications, and luckily we were

1694
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,760
granted funding. So M neighborhood is

1695
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,800
going to be one of the projects that

1696
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,720
I'll get I'm going to design uh next

1697
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,880
year. We see about $250,000

1698
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,640
worth of uh funding.

1699
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,120
There was a developer

1700
01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,920
a private developer, obviously,

1701
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,720
proposing a development, and they needed

1702
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,920
some extra help from the city side. In

1703
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,280
the past, we have never done anything

1704
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,960
similar to what we're doing for them,

1705
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,640
meaning going out of our way, finding a

1706
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,680
source of funding for them. Uh but

1707
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,280
obviously the the developer's

1708
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,440
idea was dependent on extra uh help from

1709
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,000
city. So we were able to get some

1710
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,200
funding, about $250,000 worth of

1711
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,400
funding. We're going to do curb gutter,

1712
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,080
driveways, and storm water ADA pullouts

1713
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,760
at the intersections and some similar

1714
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,000
improvements.

1715
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,960
The other application that I submitted

1716
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,520
for next year was for Dixon

1717
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,360
neighborhood. I'm going to do similar

1718
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,920
improvements that I did in Franklin. I'm

1719
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,120
going to target ADA ramps where we

1720
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:40,920
currently don't have ADA ramps or the

1721
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,680
ramps are not up to standard. Um, I did

1722
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,040
get about about 150,000 worth of funding

1723
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,560
on this.

1724
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,400
Those two will be for next year.

1725
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,280
Good.

1726
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,680
>> Good job getting a handle on that money.

1727
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:54,720
Good job.

1728
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,760
I would say, I mean, dealt with these

1729
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,920
kinds of projects. The ADA ramps aren't

1730
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,240
necessarily as challenging.

1731
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,920
Putting in curb and gutter and sidewalk,

1732
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,120
you would think that would be less like

1733
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,840
a really easy thing to do from a design

1734
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,280
perspective. They're kind of the most

1735
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,760
challenging because you're dealing with

1736
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,040
all this existing stuff.

1737
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,480
Trying to make it work. A lot easier to

1738
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,480
design a brand new road.

1739
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:16,840
Developers have it easy when they're

1740
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,800
plowing new ground, but uh, so it's hats

1741
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:20,840
off

1742
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,080
to the whole city staff cuz that

1743
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,520
actually is it's really quite

1744
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,040
difficult and interesting to do.

1745
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,440
>> Absolutely. Yeah, this 1250 East section

1746
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,120
that we did, um,

1747
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,280
the existing sidewalk was way lower.

1748
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,600
And based on the design, in order to

1749
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,880
meet the requirements for uh, basically

1750
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,800
driveway access and slopes as well as

1751
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,920
sidewalks to curb and gutter, there was

1752
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,200
a lot of thought processes that went

1753
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,280
into it. Uh, one of the solutions were

1754
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:46,640
to have curb wall all the way to

1755
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,200
project. Um, obviously, as you can see

1756
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,480
here, we have a transition going on here

1757
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,280
and the sidewalk is not 6 ft all the

1758
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,600
way. There's a transition to meet our

1759
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,800
basically slope requirements.

1760
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,400
Tying into curb and gutter and then the

1761
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,160
on the other side sidewalk tying into

1762
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,440
driveway and then tying the driveway new

1763
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,640
driveway to the existing driveways. Um,

1764
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,800
the before or

1765
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,360
the old driveways were not in

1766
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,000
compliance. So, the slopes that we have

1767
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,040
now, they're all in compliance.

1768
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,480
Slopes to curb and gutter, curb and

1769
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,040
gutter to asphalt, everything is in

1770
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:18,240
compliance.

1771
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,550
>> And more than ADA and sidewalk.

1772
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:23,640
» Oh yeah, okay.

1773
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,200
>> It's a pain. I don't like doing these

1774
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,440
projects like this where we have to do a

1775
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,920
little patchwork.

1776
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,400
>> And mind you, we didn't do all the

1777
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,520
carbon gutter. We just did

1778
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,640
as little carbon gutter as possible

1779
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,640
because obviously the funding was uh the

1780
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:36,720
major

1781
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,000
>> Good job on doing it right. BYU replaced

1782
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,440
two ADA ramps last year. Not a good

1783
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:46,710
look.

1784
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,000
» Hey, well

1785
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:48,920
that's it.

1786
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,440
>> You can get them on that.

1787
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,120
>> Okay.

1788
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,520
I probably have more saying what happens

1789
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,724
in Provo than what happens at BYU.

1790
01:03:55,724 --> 01:03:56,200
>> [laughter]

1791
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,240
>> Although I anecdotally we went to DC and

1792
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:00,800
we're down there walking around the ADA

1793
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,240
ramps by the Department of Justice,

1794
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:03,320
which is the one that sets all

1795
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,000
>> They need enforcement of the ADA.

1796
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,080
>> I bet.

1797
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:06,840
>> They [laughter] need enforcement. They

1798
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,360
don't need any of their own money.

1799
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:09,720
>> Okay.

1800
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:10,840
>> That's awesome.

1801
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,760
>> Okay, thank you again so much and we

1802
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,400
will see you next

1803
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:15,480
uh

1804
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:16,520
>> You still don't know the date next

1805
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:16,840
month?

1806
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,120
>> I do want the color pencils back. But

1807
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:19,000
your diagram is good.

1808
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,720
>> Color pencils back and we are adjourned.

1809
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:21,960
Thank you very much, guys.

1810
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,200
>> See you.