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the center for. Where did I. I

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supporting that move. And then,

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continues to threaten firings

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of federal workers,

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which is a Little different

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than past shutdowns where we've

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seen workers furloughed and

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then paid once the government

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reopens. One impact that we've

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seen here, that's fallout

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from the shutdown, was a cut to

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energy programs that included

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the Northwest Hydrogen hub and

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that had some impacts

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in our region to jet fuel and

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maritime that would have been

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part of that hub. I put up here

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a link to the New York Times

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article that sort

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of shows agency by agency how

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the shutdown is affecting

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various federal agencies and

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workers. And then another thing

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that we're watching that isn't

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germane necessarily

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to this body, however, I think

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will just have great impact in

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local communities is a

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continuum of care reductions

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that have been posed. The

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administration appears

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to be moving toward making

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changes that would impose time

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limits and therefore

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significantly reduce funding

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by about a third. And estimate

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estimates are that about

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170,000 people would be

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at risk of homelessness. So

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we're watching this closely.

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National alliance and

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Homelessness is promising some

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additional information as they

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get it. And so we'll make sure

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to share with you on that.

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Turning over to the state side

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of things, you know,

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setting the scene

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before we talk about our state

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legislative recommendations.

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Overall, you know, there's some

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pretty significant impacts that

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are at play impacting our

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revenue collection,

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which include trade policy and

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tariffs, changes to federal

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government spending and

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employment levels,

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slow employment growth, slower

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revenue growth and high

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interest rates and continued

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geopolitical conflict. All

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in the good news category

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for my reports as

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of usual lately. So the overall

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revenue forecast that includes

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the General Fund, Education

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Trust and a few other accounts

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is looking at about a $900

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million decrease or about 6%

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for both the 2527 fiscal year

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and then the 2729 fiscal year.

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to an article here. I always

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suggest as local government

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in particular elected officials

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to just take a look at this.

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It's actually a really good

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overview of where we are with

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the economy both nationally and

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at the state level. You can go

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on to the next slide. Last year

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we also started giving reports

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on a transportation revenue

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forecast. The good news is, I

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guess I do have some good news

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today is that as a result of

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revenue actions that the

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legislature took last year, we

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didn't see as significant

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decreases

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in the transportation budget,

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a very small one over the 23

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to 27, four year period of 19

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million and then about 125

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million for 2729 collections.

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gas consumption does continue

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to decline, but

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of course we had that increase

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in the gas tax that went

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into effect this year. So we

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are seeing the impact

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of that compensating for the

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consumption decline. EV

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registrations continue

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to be up. Ferry ridership is

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down. However, fares are up.

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So there is a revenue increase

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in that account overall. And

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I've also included a link

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to that. So I'll pause there.

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That's pretty much the end.

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Except I'll just say, you know,

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I think going

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into the legislative session,

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we really are going

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to see a rough time. I think,

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you know, there just isn't very

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much funding. And of course,

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the federal cuts have an impact

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on what state legislators are

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going to do. So I think

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everyone's kind

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of bracing themselves for a

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very difficult year this year.

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State Legislature.

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>> Questions for Robin?

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Thank you for your report,

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Robin.

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>> So I guess we'll roll right

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into the recommendations to the

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state legislature. I'm joined

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today by Alyssa Quinn, who

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hopefully most of you know,

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who's our senior government

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relations specialist, just

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to do a little bit of a review

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of how we do this. We develop

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the recommendations and we

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consult with the executive

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board and then all

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of the policy boards

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during the month of October.

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And then the executive

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committee will make final

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recommendations

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to the executive board. And we

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try to really make sure that

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the recommendations are based

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on our adopted plans and

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policies that will help us

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achieve our regional priorities

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at the state level. And we try

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to keep them fairly broad

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in order to make sure that we

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can reflect what our regional

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attitudes are and also so that

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we can be nimble and react

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to things that occur, since

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things will definitely change

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between now and the beginning

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of session in January. And

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of course, you know,

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we're beginning to meet with

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state legislators right now.

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We met with Chair Fy a couple

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of weeks ago, and we have

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several others scheduled. So

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we'll be using that to inform

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how we approach the legislative

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session, of course. And now

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I'll just shift over to Alyssa

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to talk

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about the policy areas that are

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in our recommendations.

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>> Thanks, Robin. Hi, everyone.

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So these are the

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recommendations that were made

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to the state legislature last

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year. And PSRC staff recommend

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keeping the same four buckets.

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So keep the region moving,

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increase housing choices and

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affordability, significantly

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reduce greenhouse gas emissions

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and sustain a strong economy.

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And then Robin and I will go

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into a little bit more detail

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on the transportation and

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climate side.

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>> So last year,

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we did make a few changes

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to the recommendations

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to prioritize a number

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of different things. Those

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changes included prioritizing

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safety and then highlighting

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certain things that we really

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wanted to see in transportation

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investments that included

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stable revenue, making sure.

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We're able

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to complete projects of

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regional significance and then

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adequately funding maintenance

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and preservation, which

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of course, is showing up in our

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regional transportation plan

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discussions as well. And then

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we also have the road usage

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included on recommendations,

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as well as ferry funding.

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>> And then

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on the climate side,

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we're looking at reducing

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emissions and preparing

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for climate impacts. And now we

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will turn it over to you to see

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if anyone has any suggestions

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or recommendations they'd like

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to make.

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>> Any comments or suggestions

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for staff. Go ahead,

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Christine.

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>> Good morning. This is

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Christine Cooley from the

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Puget Sound Clean Air Agency. I

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had a minor ask that we add the

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Comprehensive Climate Action

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Plan along the Vision 2050

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messaging because I am so

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grateful for the coordination

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between Puget Sound Regional

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Council and the agency when it

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comes to our climate goals.

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And I think it's important

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to show that to legislators

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that were coordinated and we

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agree

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on the plans put forward.

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>> We can certainly make that

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change to make sure we're

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indicating our great

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collaboration.

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>> Councilmember Schneider, go

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ahead.

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>> Thank you. I'm wondering if,

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as part of this presentation

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to the legislature, are we

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including is probably related

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to the climate, the climate

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change plan. I've been really

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interested

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to hear the PSRC analysis

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of the levers that we have.

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And is that part

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of what we're presenting? Does

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the legislature know what's

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really needed in order

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to move the needle?

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>> So we have been doing

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extensive outreach. Alyssa and

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I have both been contacting our

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state legislators as part of

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our regional transportation

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plan outreach,

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outreach process. And we have

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had several state legislators

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attend. I believe the King

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county meeting we had two,

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two legislators attend.

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But we're making sure

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to email them so that they're,

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you know, they're aware

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of what we're doing as kind

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of a step one. And certainly

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when we're sitting

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down and meeting

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with legislators,

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we're talking about the

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regional transportation plan.

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We have a plan to meet

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with all of the legislators

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in our region to make sure they

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know what we're doing and what

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the plan is, you know,

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for newer legislators who may

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not be familiar

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with what we do here at PSRC.

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So I don't think we're going

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to actually put it

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into the legislative agenda,

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but we're. That's exactly what

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we're talking to people

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about when we're meeting

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with them.

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>> Other comments? Deputy

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Mayor Arnold, go ahead.

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>> Thank you. And I think we're

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on the right track

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on the policy piece. Just

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looking at how we present this

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in the future, shorter and more

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concise is better. And if

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they're, especially

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in a short session. If there's

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a way that we can get this

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down to a single page instead

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of a single page, front and

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back, that'd be our only

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feedback.

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>> We'll receive that feedback

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at the executive board. It's a

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little difficult to pare it

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down when we have all these

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long plans. If you spell them

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out, it take up a long time.

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We are thinking

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about doing some kind of like a

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cover page document maybe that

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has sort

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of the very high points

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of what we're talking about.

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And we'll do our best to edit

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as much as we can because we do

624
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understand that, you know,

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legislative attention span is

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limited. So thank you

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for that.

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>> Anything from online?

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Senator, Go ahead.

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>> Thank you. Now, you

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mentioned the preparing for

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climate impacts and being new

633
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to the board, is there a

634
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document that you've got online

635
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there that you see what, what

636
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you're actually addressing?

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And quite honestly, having sat

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on the Senate budget Cabinet

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and looking at the numbers, I

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mean, I think we need

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to be really realistic as

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to what we can do. As far as,

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you know, when you talk about

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maintenance and preservation,

645
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we, you know, as you are well

646
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aware, we're over a billion

647
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behind in annual, you know,

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repairs. So, you know, it's

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important that we really take a

650
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good hard look at what's the

651
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practical application moving

652
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forward, how do we balance,

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you know, what we want to see

654
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with what we have to do. So is

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that document online?

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>> I believe the legislative

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recommendations

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from last year are

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in your packet. So you can look

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at the climate, which is

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of course very limited.

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But we can certainly follow up

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with you, Senator, to give you

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some more information

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on what we're doing here

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around climate at PSRC. But our

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climate asks are fairly limited

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on the legislative side.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Any other comments or

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questions? All right,

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hearing none. We're going

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to move on

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to our next discussion item.

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This is Kelly with the Ad Hoc

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Committee on Board

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Representation.

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>> Good morning. Let me go

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to my cover slide here. Okay,

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good morning. Thank you and

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thanks, Robin and Alyssa. So I

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believe you all received an

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email from Sheila Rogers

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on behalf of Josh related

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to this ad hoc committee

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on board representation

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with some, with some background

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and some options. And so today

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we just want to give you

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another very brief kind

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of introduction

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to it and take, we're going

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to take a quick poll just

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to kind of take a temperature

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of the room on this.

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But as a quick background, our

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interlocal agreement does call

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for membership to be

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reconsidered every three years

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specifically for the

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Executive Board and the, the

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Executive Committee Said, let's

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go ahead. It's been some time

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since we looked at our,

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our membership parameters

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for our policy board. So we're

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also taking a look this time

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for that. And, and an ad hoc

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committee on board

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representation has been pulled

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together. We tried

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to bring members from all

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around the region, but also

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representing our four boards

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and several transportation

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policy board members, including

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our chair and vice chair are,

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as well as many others I can

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see on the list here,

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are represented

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on that ad hoc committee. So

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I'm sure that they are going to

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appreciate whatever comments

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and polling you have today. So

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in the both in the packet and

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in the email that was sent out,

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I believe some alternatives

728
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were looked at. And in

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particular the executive board

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has a provision that cities

731
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with a population than greater

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than greater than 80,000

733
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receive a seat. And so the

734
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alternative, looking

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at the policy board membership,

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is also considering an

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alternative that would provide

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a voting seat on each

739
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of the policy boards

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in the same manner cities

741
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with greater than 80,000

742
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residents. Given that we do try

743
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to have a board that's not

744
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overwhelmingly large, but also

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to achieve geographic balance,

746
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the proposed alternative that

747
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was put forth would modify the

748
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number

749
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of other cities and towns

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for three

751
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of the four counties.

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Since many of the, I think all

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of the cities over 80,000 that

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are being added are in King

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County. It would reduce the

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number

757
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of other cities and towns in

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King county, but it would

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increase other cities and towns

760
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000
in Pierce and Snohomish

761
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counties by one again to

762
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maintain that geographic

763
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balance. And this you can see,

764
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while you probably can't see

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that because it's very, very

766
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small,

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but the yellow highlight is

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kind of showing those cities

769
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that are now above 80,000

770
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population and how it would be

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modified again. So King county,

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other cities and towns, 1, 2,

773
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3, 4, 5, I believe are being

774
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added six, excuse me. And then

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reducing the other cities and

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towns down

777
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to one and then again

778
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for geographic balance,

779
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increasing the other cities and

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00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,000
towns in Pearson Snohomish. So

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the overall number

782
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,000
of voting members

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on the TPP would increase

784
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under this alternative. And

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again, in the spirit of keeping

786
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the board a manageable size and

787
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also quite frankly reflecting,

788
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you know, overall attendance

789
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patterns,

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there was also a part

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of the proposal was

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to modify the non voting seats.

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And you can see that currently

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we have 16, we have a fair

795
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number of seats for our

796
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associate members and public

797
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,000
agencies and PSR PSRC

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committees, as well as six

799
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for business, labor, community

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and environment seats. And the

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alternative under consideration

802
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would reduce the overall number

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to 10. So we would have three

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standing seats

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for our partners at The Clean

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Air Agency, our equity advisory

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committee and Public Health.

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And then we, we would have two,

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seven total at large. Two

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representing our public

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agencies and associate members

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who would submit for those

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seats and then reducing our

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community seats by one down

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to two, five. So again this

816
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was. This is just some

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alternatives that are being put

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forth for consider. We are

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looking to hear from you. So

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I'm happy to take feedback. I

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know the next step is the ad

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hoc group is going to meet

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again and where they're going

824
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to be making a recommendation

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to the executive board

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for final action.

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But definitely would like

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to hear some feedback. But

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maybe we could go ahead. I know

830
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this is a bit quick,

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but hopefully you had time to

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evaluate the email that was

833
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sent out. But Alexa has created

834
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a quick poll. Just taking a

835
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temperature for the next ad hoc

836
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committee meeting

837
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to see if you want to keep the

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status quo or discuss an

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option, whether it's this

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option or some other. So

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Alexa, if you could go ahead

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and start that poll. I think

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this is an. It is in a Zoom

844
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poll. So what we can do is

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for the, for the four members

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in the room,

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maybe we could just do kind

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of a verbal.

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>> So those online are asked

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to complete the Zoom poll and

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then we're going

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to do the others. Unless you've

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got Zoom open or not.

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Probably not.

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>> So you can either just let

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us know in the room or you can

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also email me separately.

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>> But the questions there.

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>> So yeah, basically. Yeah,

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it's. Basically the first

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question is regarding the

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voting seats. Do you prefer to

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keep the seats as they are or

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are you interested

865
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in discussing an alternative?

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And then the same question

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for the non voting seats.

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>> All right,

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I'll let folks online vote.

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Deputy Mayor Arnold?

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>> Yeah. Interested

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in discussing both topics.

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>> Christine. Puget Sound

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Clean Air Agency is a

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non-voting member.

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So we're here for however we

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can be helpful.

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>> Councilmember Schneider, how

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do you feel

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about this?

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>> I don't feel like I really

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00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000
have enough background. It

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00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
seems like it's not going

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00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,000
to affect Kitsap County. Is

885
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,000
that true? Okay, thank you. It

886
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000
does not. Sorry, I didn't turn

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00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400
my microphone on. So

888
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,000
at least you're open

889
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,400
to discussion. Anyway, it

890
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
appears.

891
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000
>> And Alexa, should I end?

892
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,000
>> Yeah, let's go ahead and do

893
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000
that.

894
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,600
>> So it looks like 63% on the

895
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000
first question are interested

896
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,400
in discussing and 56% also

897
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000
interested in discussing the

898
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,400
second question. Looks like

899
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,400
further discussion is needed.

900
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,000
>> Perfect. So we will take

901
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,000
this short poll and again,

902
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,000
if there are any initial

903
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000
feedback, please feel free to

904
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,000
Share that or send us an email.

905
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,000
But we will take all

906
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,000
of this feedback

907
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000
to the next meeting of the ad

908
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
hoc committee and we'll go from

909
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,000
there. I beg your pardon? I do.

910
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,000
I almost forgot. We did get an

911
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000
email and I promised

912
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000
to share that. Council member

913
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,000
King County Councilmember

914
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Barone was not able to attend

915
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,000
today and he did send us an

916
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000
email. And the overall message

917
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,000
that he. He was saying is that

918
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000
he thinks it's important that

919
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,400
no entity loses representation.

920
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,000
It's critical that we find a

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00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000
solution that ensures fair

922
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000
representation and balance

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00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000
for all the bodies represented

924
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000
at the PSRC without diluting

925
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,000
anyone's voice. He does not

926
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000
support moving forward

927
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000
with the options currently

928
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000
under consideration and

929
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
suggests that we just simply

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00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000
need more time to consider the

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00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,000
proposals and give members the

932
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,000
opportunity to better

933
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000
understand perspective. So

934
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,000
essentially advocating

935
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000
for some additional time. So we

936
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,000
will also share that

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00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000
with the ad hoc committee.

938
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000
>> Deputy Mayor Arnold, are you

939
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,000
looking

940
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,000
for feedback right now? If we

941
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
have it?

942
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,000
If you have it, happy

943
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000
to take it now.

944
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,000
We're also happy if you want

945
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,000
to send it.

946
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Responding to the email,

947
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000
that was okay.

948
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,000
>> Well, very briefly,

949
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,000
just thinking

950
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000
about other towns in King

951
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,000
county within sound cities,

952
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
just that there are a variety

953
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,000
of different needs and

954
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,000
perspectives in the discussions

955
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000
that we have had. And when you

956
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,400
look at the breakdown

957
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000
of cities above 80,000 and

958
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
below that we're talking about,

959
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000
this proposal would have only

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00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,000
one seat

961
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000
for the cities below. And

962
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000
for many

963
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
of the things that we do here

964
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,000
in looking at plan eligibility

965
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000
criteria and things

966
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,000
like that,

967
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,000
there's a vast amount

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00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,000
of differences

969
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000
in needs and resources

970
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
available

971
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,000
for the smaller cities. And so

972
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000
it's going to be important

973
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000
for them to have a voice. And

974
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000
we've got concerns

975
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000
of only one vote

976
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,400
for all the cities

977
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,000
in the other towns of King

978
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000
counties at that size.

979
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,000
>> Thank you. Appreciate that

980
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000
feedback.

981
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
>> Other comments and Kelly,

982
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000
of course,

983
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,000
welcomes and we all do the.

984
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,400
And email back also

985
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000
with your feedback

986
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,000
to the email that was sent out.

987
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Okay. We ready

988
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,000
to move on?

989
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
>> Yes.

990
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,000
>> To our next discussion item,

991
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,000
which is the Regional

992
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Comprehensive Climate Action

993
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Plan. And Sarah Hetrick is

994
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,400
going to present that.

995
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000
>> Good morning all. Thank you

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00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000
for having me. I'll just share

997
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,600
my screen. So this morning I'm

998
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
really looking forward

999
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,000
to sharing an update

1000
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,000
with you all on the Puget

1001
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Sound region's draft

1002
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,000
Comprehensive Climate Action

1003
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,600
Plan. So briefly, here are the

1004
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,000
topics that I'm going

1005
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000
to cover today. First, I'm

1006
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,000
going to provide you

1007
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,000
with an overview of the

1008
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000
Climate Pollution Reduction

1009
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,000
Grant Port program as well as

1010
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,000
the agency's role. I'm going to

1011
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,000
discuss the partners that we've

1012
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,000
worked with to develop the

1013
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,000
draft climate plan and share

1014
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,000
opportunities for public input

1015
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000
using our online engagement

1016
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,000
hub. I'm then going to discuss

1017
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
the plan's emission reduction

1018
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,000
analysis,

1019
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,000
including a high level overview

1020
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000
of the climate strategies that

1021
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000
are in the plan,

1022
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000
and really how to understand

1023
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,000
each strategy's emission

1024
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
reduction potential. And then

1025
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,000
finally, we're going to end

1026
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,000
with an opportunity

1027
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,600
for you all to ask questions.

1028
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
So by way of some background,

1029
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000
in 2023, the agency received a

1030
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
grant from the federal

1031
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000
Climate Pollution Reduction

1032
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000
Grant Program

1033
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,000
to lead climate action planning

1034
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,000
for the Seattle, Tacoma,

1035
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Bellevue Metropolitan

1036
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
Statistical Area, which covers

1037
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
King, Pierce and Snohomish

1038
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
counties.

1039
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000
But it was incredibly important

1040
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,000
to the agency that the climate

1041
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
plan was really truly regional

1042
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000
in nature. And so we worked

1043
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,000
with EPA

1044
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000
to actually expand the coverage

1045
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000
of the plan

1046
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,000
to include all four counties

1047
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000
in the Puget Sound region. So

1048
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,400
that includes Kitsap County.

1049
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,000
So this climate plan must be

1050
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000
completed and submitted to EPA

1051
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,600
by December of this year. So

1052
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,000
here we can see the primary

1053
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,000
goals of the climate plan. So

1054
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000
first, we want to create that

1055
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
long term regional climate plan

1056
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,000
to achieve our region's climate

1057
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,000
goals and help our region do

1058
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,000
its part to meet the state's

1059
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000
climate goals. We want

1060
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,000
to ensure that we're aligning

1061
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,000
with and complementing state

1062
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000
and local climate planning

1063
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000
efforts. And importantly,

1064
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000
we want to build and maintain

1065
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,000
the regional collaborations

1066
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,000
that are necessary for that

1067
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000
collective climate action. So

1068
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000
in doing so,

1069
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,000
our goal is really to make our

1070
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,000
region more competitive

1071
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,000
for grant applications to

1072
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000
really increase that available

1073
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,000
climate funding

1074
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000
to our region. And then, as

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00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,000
always, we want to make sure

1076
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
that we're aligning priorities

1077
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,000
that foster equity

1078
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000
across our region. So the

1079
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,000
purpose

1080
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000
of this climate plan is to

1081
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,000
identify high impact regional

1082
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000
strategies and actions

1083
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000
to reduce climate emissions

1084
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,000
through those coordinated

1085
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
efforts with a focus

1086
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,000
on maximizing the benefits

1087
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000
for overburdened communities.

1088
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000
And the climate strategies that

1089
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000
we've presented

1090
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,000
in this plan are

1091
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,000
in the draft plan, are built

1092
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000
on years of emission analysis

1093
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
and public engagement here

1094
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000
in the Puget Sound region. And

1095
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000
they will also all the

1096
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,000
strategies be implemented

1097
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,000
at either the local,

1098
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,600
regional or state level. So a

1099
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,000
little

1100
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,000
about the agency's role. We are

1101
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,000
serving as the lead

1102
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,000
organization for the region's

1103
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000
climate pollution reduction

1104
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,000
grant program. We are

1105
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,000
responsible for working with

1106
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000
government partners and the

1107
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,000
communities we serve

1108
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
to develop this climate plan.

1109
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
So over the past two years,

1110
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,000
we work closely with the

1111
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Washington Climate

1112
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
Partnership, which consists

1113
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000
of state Departments of

1114
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Ecology and Commerce,

1115
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,000
to really stay aligned

1116
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000
with their efforts to develop

1117
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,000
the state's own comprehensive

1118
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,000
climate action plan

1119
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000
under the CPRG program. We are

1120
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Also coordinating

1121
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000
with tribal grantees through

1122
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,000
the state's climate pollution

1123
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000
reduction grant tribal work

1124
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,000
group. And

1125
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,000
of course we continue

1126
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,000
to coordinate closely with

1127
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,000
regional jurisdictions and

1128
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,000
partners like PSRC

1129
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000
to stay aligned with local

1130
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,000
climate planning efforts,

1131
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000
which are I think really

1132
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,000
in many ways the backbone

1133
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000
of this regional climate plan.

1134
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,000
So here we have a list

1135
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000
of just some of the many

1136
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,000
partners that we have worked

1137
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,000
with in developing the draft

1138
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
climate plan. So this includes

1139
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,000
cities and counties,

1140
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
subject matter experts

1141
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000
across the region, utilities,

1142
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
transit providers, community

1143
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000
organizations, ports,

1144
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000
and as I previously mentioned,

1145
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,000
the Washington Climate

1146
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000
Partnership. And then

1147
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,000
of course EPA region 10 state

1148
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000
and tribal grantees. So let's

1149
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,000
briefly discuss what's included

1150
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
in the draft climate plan

1151
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000
itself. So first we have some

1152
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,000
climate specific analyses. So

1153
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
this includes the greenhouse

1154
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,000
gas inventory for the four

1155
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000
county region as well as

1156
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000
emission projections and

1157
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,000
climate reduction targets

1158
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000
for both the near term 2030 and

1159
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000
longer term 2050 time frames.

1160
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Importantly, it also includes a

1161
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
comprehensive list

1162
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,000
of strategies and actions to

1163
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,000
achieve these greenhouse gas

1164
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,000
reduction targets

1165
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,000
across all sectors

1166
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,000
of the region's economy. And

1167
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000
later in this presentation

1168
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
we're actually going

1169
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000
to discuss some of the specific

1170
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000
emission reduction strategies.

1171
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,000
The draft climate plan also

1172
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,000
includes several other

1173
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
important analyses which are

1174
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000
going to help make the plan

1175
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,000
strategies as actionable as

1176
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000
possible for decision makers

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in our region. So in addition

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00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
to estimating the emission

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00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000
reduction potential

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00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,000
for each strategy, the plan

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00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,000
also includes information

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00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000
on things like costs,

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00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,000
potential funding sources and

1184
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
co benefits, again

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00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000
with a focus on overburdened

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00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000
communities as well as an

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00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,000
understanding of workforce

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00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000
development implications

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00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,000
for implementation

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00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000
of the strategies.

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00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Importantly, it also identifies

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00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000
some of the strategies that are

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00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
well posed

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00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,000
for regional implementation.

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00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
And so the goal of this

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00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000
additional information is

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00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
really

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00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000
to provide jurisdictions

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in our region

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00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,000
with the information they need

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00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
to make these effective climate

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00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
planning decisions and

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00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
investments. And so it's our

1204
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
ultimate goal that local and

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00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
regional governments are going

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00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,000
to refer

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00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,000
to this climate plan regularly

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00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,000
over the coming years as they

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00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
prioritize, select and

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00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
implement climate strategies

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00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,000
and actions in our own

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00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
jurisdictions. I'll also

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00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,000
mention here that we are

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00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000
at the very beginning of a

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00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
three week public input period

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00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000
for the draft climate plan.

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00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
This public input period

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00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000
actually began just a few days

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00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000
ago on October 6th and ends

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00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000
on October 26th. So

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00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
to solicit public feedback, we

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00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000
developed an online engagement

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00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
hub through the Conveyo

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00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,000
platform, which some of you

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00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
may be familiar with,

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00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
but effect this. This platform

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00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,000
allows folks to review the

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00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000
draft plan and comment

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00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000
on specific sections

1230
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000
of the document. We just hosted

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00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000
a workshop this past Tuesday

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00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000
to kick off the public in input

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00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000
period and if you weren't able

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00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,000
to join US. A recording

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00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,000
of this workshop can be found

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00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,000
on the online engagement hub.

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00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,000
I'll also mention that the

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00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,000
agency and regional partners

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00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000
held four workshops earlier

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00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000
this year in March and April

1241
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,000
to invite a first round

1242
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,000
of feedback on the draft

1243
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
climate strategies and actions.

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00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,000
And then this draft plan also

1245
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,000
recently underwent technical

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00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,000
review in July by our CPR

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00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Director Steering committee

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00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,000
members, as well as technical

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00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000
work groups and state partners.

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00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,000
And so all of this feedback has

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00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000
been incorporated into the

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00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,000
draft plan that's available

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00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,000
online right now. And so the

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00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
link to that online engagement

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00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,000
hub is here on this slide.

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00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,600
Pscaa.conveyo.com we would love

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00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000
your help in promoting the

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00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000
public input period. We have a

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00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000
communications toolkit

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00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000
with example, social media

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00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,000
posts, graphics, email

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00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000
language, things

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00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,000
like that that we would be

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00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000
happy to share with this group

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00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000
so that you can help us get the

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00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000
word out to your networks and

1267
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,400
constituents. So what exactly

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00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
what are we looking for

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00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
from the public input period?

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00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Some types

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00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,000
of input can be seen

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00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,000
on this slide. So we're looking

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00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
for things or areas that need

1274
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,000
clarification as well as ideas

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00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
or considerations

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00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
for strategy implementation.

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00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
But I think importantly, this

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00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000
climate plan is really intended

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00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,000
to serve as a guiding roadmap

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00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,000
for local and regional

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00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,000
governments

1282
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
to address climate change. And

1283
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
so with that in mind,

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00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,000
we would really like to hear

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what information folks think is

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00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,000
important to share with

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00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,000
decision makers as they are

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00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000
prioritizing climate planning

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00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
efforts and investments

1290
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
in their own jurisdictions. So

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00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,000
before we discuss the draft

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00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000
plans emission reduction

1293
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,000
strategies, I just want to

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00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000
finish up this background

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00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,000
section

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00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,000
by sharing a high level

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00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,000
timeline for development

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00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,000
of this climate plan. So as I

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00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,000
previously mentioned,

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00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,000
technical review

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00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000
of the plan took place in

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00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000
July. Staff incorporated this

1303
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000
feedback, the technical

1304
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,000
feedback that we heard in

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00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,000
August, and we are now, as I

1306
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,000
mentioned, accepting additional

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00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000
public input on the draft plan

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00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,000
through October 26th. We will

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00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,000
incorporate any final edits

1310
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000
into the climate plan this

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00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000
coming November, and then we

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00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,000
will plan to submit the plan

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00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,000
by the December 1st deadline.

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00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Okay, so now let's switch gears

1315
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,000
a little bit to get to sort

1316
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000
of the meat of the plan,

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00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
which is that list of emission

1318
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,000
reduction strategies that are

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00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,000
going to help us

1320
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,000
to meet our climate targets.

1321
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,000
But before,

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00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,000
before we do that,

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00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000
I think it's important

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00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000
to talk a little bit about what

1325
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,000
the plan's analysis does and

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00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,000
does not do. So

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00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,000
for each strategy

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00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,000
in the plan, we calculate the

1329
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,000
emission reduction potential,

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00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,000
or gap, which effectively is

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the difference between the

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current greenhouse gas

1333
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
emissions and the 2030

1334
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000
reduction target. So in order

1335
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000
to do this, staff estimated the

1336
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000
maximum potential climate

1337
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000
impact of each strategy. And

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00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
really we assume the largest

1339
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
realistic scale

1340
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000
of action possible. So we did

1341
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000
this for each sector

1342
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,000
until the gap to 2030 or 2050

1343
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000
is approximately closed. I want

1344
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,000
to, I think it's important to

1345
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,000
note that the emission

1346
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,000
reduction estimates are not,

1347
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,000
they're not planned,

1348
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,000
they're not predictions, and

1349
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,000
they importantly do not specify

1350
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
policy mechanisms or

1351
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000
responsible parties. For each

1352
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000
strategy implementation,

1353
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,000
we do provide a list

1354
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000
of actions which are sort

1355
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,000
of examples of policies or

1356
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,000
programs that could reduce

1357
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,000
greenhouse gas emissions and

1358
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,000
furtherance of the strategy or

1359
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
enhance carbon sinks. And we

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00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,400
also provide other information.

1361
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,000
As I mentioned,

1362
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,000
this could include things

1363
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000
like estimated cost per ton

1364
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,000
of emissions reduced,

1365
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,000
as well as information

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00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,000
on CO benefits. So with all

1367
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,000
of this in mind, I just wanted

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00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000
to be clear that the main goal

1369
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000
of this analysis is to help

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00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000
decision makers see which

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00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,000
strategies can help contribute

1372
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,000
most to meeting our region's

1373
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,000
climate goals. This plan is not

1374
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000
an implementation plan, and

1375
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,000
implementation considerations

1376
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,000
are going to need

1377
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000
to be identified as part

1378
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,000
of future planning phases

1379
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,000
for climate action

1380
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,400
in our region. So

1381
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000
for those who are visual

1382
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,000
like me,

1383
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
this chart which is included

1384
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000
in the plan presents, I think,

1385
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000
a nice summary of the analysis

1386
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,000
that we conducted. So the top

1387
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000
pink shading that you can see

1388
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
in this bar chart represents

1389
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
the existing policies

1390
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,000
to reduce emissions. And then

1391
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000
if you go to the bottom

1392
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
of this chart, that gray shaded

1393
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,000
area represents the remaining

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00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
emissions that are allowed

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00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,000
under that 2030 target. So the

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00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,000
middle shading here,

1397
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
that multicolored shading,

1398
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,000
really represents that gap

1399
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,000
to the 2030 target. And as you

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00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
can see, it is broken up by

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each major sector's relative

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00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
contribution

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to reducing emissions

1404
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,600
to reaching that goal. So the

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estimated maximum potential of

1406
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
each strategy that I previously

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00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
mentioned is effectively

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staff's assume largest

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00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000
realistic scale of action. And

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those are listed in the call

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00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,000
out box that we see here

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00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000
to the right. So you can see

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00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,000
specific assumptions

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00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,000
for the built environment

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00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
in yellow, for industry here

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00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,400
in brown, for transportation

1417
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,400
in blue, for refrigerants

1418
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,000
in that purple color,

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00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,000
for waste, the waste sector

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00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,000
in gray, and then land use

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00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,200
in teal. So here we have that

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00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,000
same bar chart for 2050. And

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like before, all

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00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000
of the assumptions

1425
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in the analysis are

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00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000
in that call out box

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00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,000
to the right. And collectively,

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00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,000
again, all of these help

1429
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,000
to close that gap to the 2050

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00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,000
target. So for example, for

1431
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2030, in the last slide,

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we assumed that 900,000 homes

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00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,000
were going to be weatherized.

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00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,000
But for 2050, we now assume

1435
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that 2.4 million homes would

1436
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,000
need to be weatherized to meet

1437
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,000
that goal. I'll also just

1438
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000
mention here that right now the

1439
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000
draft plan does include a more

1440
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,000
detailed analysis of for the

1441
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
for meeting that 2030 target.

1442
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,000
However, we do anticipate

1443
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,400
including a similar analysis

1444
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,000
for 2050

1445
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,000
in that final climate plan.

1446
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,000
Okay, so all of that is some

1447
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,000
additional context.

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00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,000
But now I do want to dive into

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the emission reduction

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00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,000
strategies themselves. I'm

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going

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00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,000
to provide some example actions

1453
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,000
for implementation and again

1454
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,000
discuss the assumptions that

1455
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,000
were used in the analysis for

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00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,400
2030. I'll just mention I'm

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00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,000
only going to cover a few

1458
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of the strategies

1459
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,000
for each sector,

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00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,000
but the full list

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of strategies can be found in

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the draft climate plan that we

1463
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have online. So here we can see

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a total of three of the eight

1465
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,000
of the climate strategies that

1466
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,000
are available

1467
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,000
for the built environment. So

1468
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,000
1.1 is to build low carbon new

1469
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,000
buildings. So some example

1470
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,000
actions include strengthening

1471
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,000
building codes or providing

1472
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,000
education and outreach

1473
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,000
for developers and builders.

1474
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,000
And then again, this assumption

1475
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,000
is that the vast majority of

1476
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,000
new housing units that are

1477
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,000
built in the region have fully

1478
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,400
non greenhouse gas emitting

1479
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,400
space and water heating

1480
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,000
systems. Our next strategy

1481
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,000
example is

1482
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
to reduce energy use

1483
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,000
in existing buildings. So this

1484
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,000
is through things

1485
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,000
like weatherization programs,

1486
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,000
upgrading appliances,

1487
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,000
appliances upgrading lighting,

1488
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,000
supporting utility demand

1489
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,000
response programs, things

1490
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,000
like that. And the assumptions

1491
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000
are here in the last column

1492
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
which assumes that 900,000

1493
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,000
homes are weatherized, 1

1494
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,000
million appliance, 10 million

1495
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,000
appliances are upgraded.

1496
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Excuse me. And 5 million light

1497
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,000
bulbs are changed out. Last we

1498
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,000
have 1.3 as an example,

1499
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000
electrify or decarbonize

1500
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,000
existing buildings. So this is

1501
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,000
things

1502
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,000
like electrifying a appliances,

1503
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,000
developing renewable

1504
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,000
electricity and battery storage

1505
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
systems, or developing building

1506
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,000
emission performance standards

1507
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,000
or building decarbonization

1508
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,000
plans. And so this assumption

1509
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,000
is that 800,000 residential

1510
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,000
dwelling units and 100,000

1511
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,000
residential water heaters are

1512
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,000
converted to electric along

1513
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,000
with the entire commercial

1514
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,400
water heater heating sector.

1515
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,000
So now let's move on

1516
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,000
to transportation. And again

1517
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,000
here we have three

1518
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,000
of the total

1519
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,000
of eight strategies

1520
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,000
to give you an example

1521
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,000
for the transportation sector.

1522
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,000
So 2.1 is to reduce the vehicle

1523
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,000
miles traveled for

1524
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,000
on road passenger gas vehicles.

1525
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,000
And so example ways to do this

1526
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,000
would be implementing

1527
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,000
continuing to implement transit

1528
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,000
oriented compact growth and

1529
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,000
development,

1530
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000
developing a congestion pricing

1531
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,000
program, things like that. And

1532
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,000
the assumptions here are that

1533
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,000
VMT each year was reduced by

1534
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000
1.1 billion miles,

1535
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,000
which does account

1536
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,000
for approximately 4%

1537
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
of the annual total. Another

1538
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,000
example strategy here is

1539
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,000
to increase sales of on road

1540
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000
passenger electric vehicles and

1541
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,000
promote low carbon alternative

1542
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,000
vehicles. So things like

1543
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,000
supporting charging

1544
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,000
infrastructure electrifying

1545
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,000
fleets and then supporting EV

1546
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,000
car sharing programs. And so

1547
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
for this assumption we assume

1548
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,000
that the ED adoption rate

1549
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,000
occurred one year quicker One

1550
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,000
year ahead

1551
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,000
of the current projected ramp,

1552
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000
above and beyond the state's

1553
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,000
current ZEV mandate. So that's

1554
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,000
approximately 137,000

1555
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,000
additional electric vehicles

1556
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,000
on the road, or approximately

1557
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,400
780,000 in total. Lastly, we

1558
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000
have the strategy to electrify

1559
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,000
or reduce the carbon intensity

1560
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,000
of on road medium and heavy

1561
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,000
duty vehicles. And so here

1562
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000
example actions are

1563
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,000
to support the electrification

1564
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000
of public and private fleets,

1565
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,000
supporting the state's advanced

1566
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
clean trucks and advanced clean

1567
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
fleet rules, and supporting

1568
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000
charging infrastructure. And

1569
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,000
here we assume that 15,000

1570
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
heavy duty electric vehicles

1571
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,000
are on the road and 15 million

1572
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000
gallons

1573
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,000
of lower carbon fuels are used.

1574
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,000
So here we have the solid waste

1575
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000
and wastewater sector. So we

1576
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,000
have three of the four total

1577
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,000
reduction strategies shown

1578
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
here. First is to divert

1579
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,000
construction and demolition

1580
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,000
materials from landfills. And

1581
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,000
this assumes 30,000 additional

1582
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,000
tons of both steel and wood are

1583
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,400
diverted. Another strategy is

1584
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,000
to divert other types of

1585
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,000
recyclable and compostable

1586
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,400
materials from landfills. So

1587
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,000
this assumes that 156,000

1588
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,000
additional tons

1589
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000
of general waste and 90,000

1590
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,000
tons of organic waste are being

1591
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,000
diverted by 2030. Again, this

1592
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000
is an analysis for 2030. And

1593
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,000
then another strategy,

1594
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,000
for example is

1595
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,000
to increase methane capture at

1596
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,400
landfills. I'll also just

1597
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,000
mention here that we did

1598
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,000
identify two additional

1599
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,000
strategies

1600
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,000
for the consumption sector.

1601
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,000
And these effectively relate to

1602
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,000
reducing the food waste and

1603
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,000
promoting low emission dietary

1604
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,000
choices as well as promoting

1605
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,000
circular economies

1606
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,000
for general goods. And while

1607
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,000
these are very important,

1608
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000
they're very complex to

1609
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,400
calculate when you're thinking

1610
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,000
about consumption based

1611
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,000
emissions. And so we don't

1612
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,000
actually quantify these

1613
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000
in our climate plan,

1614
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,000
but they are there. Next, let's

1615
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,000
move on

1616
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000
to the land use sector. And

1617
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,000
here are the two main

1618
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,000
strategies that we have

1619
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,000
included

1620
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,000
in the clinical climate plans.

1621
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000
First, we have stewarding

1622
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,000
natural lands

1623
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,000
to reduce tree loss. And

1624
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Effectively this assumes 50

1625
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,000
million new trees are planted.

1626
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000
And then strategy 4.2,

1627
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,000
stewarding natural lands to

1628
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,000
increase that carbon

1629
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,000
sequestration and reduce

1630
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,000
emissions. What this assumption

1631
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,000
is that 50,000 hectares of land

1632
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,000
are protected or otherwise

1633
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000
enhanced

1634
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,600
to stop that carbon loss. And

1635
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,000
then we get

1636
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,000
to our final sector here,

1637
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000
which is refrigerants. And here

1638
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,000
are both of the strategies that

1639
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,000
we have identified

1640
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,000
for this sector. The first is

1641
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,000
to reduce the use of those high

1642
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,000
global warming potential

1643
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,000
devices as well as increasing

1644
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,000
the recovery of the high global

1645
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,000
warming potential refrigerants

1646
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000
they use. And this assumes that

1647
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,000
100,000 devices have been

1648
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,000
replaced with zero or low

1649
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,000
global warming potential

1650
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,000
devices and that 100,000 old

1651
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,400
devices with high global

1652
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,000
warming potential refrigerants

1653
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000
have had those refrigerants

1654
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000
recovered. And then last, we

1655
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,000
have reducing refrigerant leaks

1656
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,000
from the commercial and

1657
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000
industrial systems. And that

1658
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,000
assumes an additional 10,000

1659
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,000
systems are inspected and leaks

1660
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,000
are repaired. So again, that

1661
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000
presents a very high level

1662
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,000
overview of the emission

1663
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,000
reduction strategies that are

1664
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,000
contained in our current draft

1665
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,000
climate plan. I'm going

1666
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,000
to be happy to take questions

1667
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,000
in just a second, but

1668
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,000
before I do, I just wanted to

1669
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,000
briefly mention the other

1670
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,000
discussions and analyses that

1671
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,000
are in this draft plan that

1672
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,000
contain important information,

1673
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
again, you know, for decision

1674
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,000
makers and jurisdictions

1675
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,000
to think about when they're

1676
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,000
undertaking climate planning

1677
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,000
moving forward. So these

1678
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,000
analyses include, or

1679
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,000
discussions include

1680
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,000
implementation considerations,

1681
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,000
again, which is a future phase

1682
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,000
in this effort, as well as

1683
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,000
important utility

1684
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,000
considerations. They are a huge

1685
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,000
partner, obviously,

1686
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,000
in climate planning. We have a

1687
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000
benefit analysis with a focus

1688
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,000
on our region's overburdened

1689
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,000
communities that talks

1690
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,000
about co benefits,

1691
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,000
for example, air quality,

1692
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,000
quality improvements

1693
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,000
from climate actions, and then

1694
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000
a workforce development

1695
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,000
analysis which helps us

1696
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,000
to understand the workforce

1697
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,000
sort of planning needs that are

1698
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,000
associated with a sort

1699
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,400
of clean economy transition.

1700
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,000
And then lastly,

1701
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,000
we also have a brief

1702
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,000
discussion, a broad discussion,

1703
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,000
excuse me, of next steps

1704
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,000
for climate planning processes

1705
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,600
for our region. So that does

1706
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,000
conclude my slides. I want to

1707
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,000
make sure that you all have my

1708
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,000
contact information here and

1709
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,000
just mention that you can all

1710
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
stay in touch with us at the

1711
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,000
agency and the draft climate

1712
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,000
plan

1713
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,000
through our CPRG listserv,

1714
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,000
which you can access

1715
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,000
on the site at the URL shown

1716
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,400
on this slide, please.

1717
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,000
>> Thank you, Sarah. A lot of

1718
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,000
great information there. I see.

1719
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000
Council member Daugherty,

1720
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000
you got your hand raised. You

1721
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,000
have a question?

1722
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,000
>> Yes, thank you, Sarah.

1723
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,000
Thank you

1724
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,000
for the presentation. Can I'd

1725
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,000
like to ask who did the

1726
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
technical review?

1727
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,000
>> So our technical review was

1728
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,000
done

1729
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,000
by our CPRG steering committee,

1730
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,000
technical work groups,

1731
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000
as well as our state partners.

1732
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,000
So we have a CPRG steering

1733
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,000
committee that we've been

1734
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,000
working with

1735
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000
for the past two years,

1736
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000
of which Kelly McGurdy is a

1737
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,600
participant. And so that is a

1738
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,000
group that consists

1739
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000
of representatives

1740
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,000
from all four counties in the

1741
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,000
region as well as major cities.

1742
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,000
And then we have, I believe,

1743
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,000
five technical work groups. So

1744
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,000
that includes subject matter

1745
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,000
experts across the region

1746
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000
from built environment,

1747
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,000
transportation and consumption

1748
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,000
and waste,

1749
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,000
as well as equity and workforce

1750
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,000
development, excuse me,

1751
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,000
and utilities. So there are

1752
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,000
six, and then again our state

1753
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,000
partners at the Washington

1754
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Climate Partnership. So that's

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00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,000
ecology and commerce.

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00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,000
>> And where does the data come

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00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,000
from that you're making

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00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,000
decisions on?

1759
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,000
>> Yeah, so it has been sort

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00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,600
of a lot of different places.

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00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,000
So we have our technical folks

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00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,000
at the agency who, you know,

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00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,000
we're really responsible for

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00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,000
putting this analysis together.

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00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,000
We've had lots

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00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,000
of conversations

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00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,000
about what assumptions to put

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00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000
into this analysis. And as I

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00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,000
mentioned, you know,

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00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,000
I think we are really looking

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00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,000
to folks to help us refine and

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00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,000
enhance the assumptions to make

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00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,000
this plan as actionable as

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00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,000
possible. So I think that's

1775
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,000
part of this public input

1776
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,000
period is kind of looking to

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00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,000
refine those assumptions.

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00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,000
>> Okay, thank you.

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00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,000
>> And I would just jump in and

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00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000
say I have been hyping this

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00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,000
document for quite some time

1782
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,000
now and I'm super excited that

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00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,000
it's finally here. And

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00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,000
Council Member Daughtry

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00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,000
to your point, Sarah, correct

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00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,000
me if I'm wrong, but this isn't

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00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000
a decision document. This is a

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00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,000
document that's really trying

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00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,000
to identify what is it going

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00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,000
to take to achieve the goals

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00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,000
that we have. We get that

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00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,000
question a lot. And you know,

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00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,000
here at PSRC and our,

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00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,000
my fingers are definitely all

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00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,000
over this thing. So we,

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00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,000
everything that we do and the

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00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,000
analysis on our Vision 2050 and

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Regional Transportation plan is

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00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000
certainly fed into that.

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But we share with you,

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00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,000
if we're doing these types

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of things,

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00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,000
what are the emission results?

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00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,000
And this document is really

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looking at, given all

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00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,000
of that,

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,000
if there's still a gap

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00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,000
to the target,

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00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,000
what will it take? And so that

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00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,000
list

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00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,000
of strategies is really kind

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00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,000
of the best,

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,000
the best estimate based on

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00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,000
everything we know and

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00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,000
projections into the future

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00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,000
about if we want

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00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,000
to achieve the goals. We have

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00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,000
to do all

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00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,000
of these different things

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00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,000
across all of these sectors,

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but not a decision,

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00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,000
but really it's just

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information

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on what it will take. Sarah,

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00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,000
did I get that right?

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>> You nailed it. Yeah.

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00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,000
Thanks, Kelly. And as I

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00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,000
mentioned earlier, it does not

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assign specific policy

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00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,000
mechanisms or responsible

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00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,000
jurisdictions or anything

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00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,000
like that. We wanted

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to provide decision makers

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00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,000
with the information

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to make decisions that are

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right for their jurisdiction.

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And so we provide example

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strategy,

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00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,000
example policies and things

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00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,000
like that,

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00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,000
but they are not prescriptive.

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00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,000
Again, it's really the largest

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00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,000
realistic scale of action that

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we think is possible

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for each strategy.

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00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,000
>> Well, the only reason I'm

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00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,000
asking is the best available

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00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,000
science on climate change is

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00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,000
changing constantly. Recently

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00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,000
they have finally figured

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00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,000
out what some of us in the

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00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,000
science community know is the

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00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,000
carbon CO2 only has a certain

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,000
effect and we've already passed

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00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,000
that certain effect and has no

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00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,000
more effect on climate change

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00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,000
that's recently come

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00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,000
to light. So with the best

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00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,000
available science,

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00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000
the same thing that happens in

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,000
our biologies or streams and

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00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,000
stuff, but the best available

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00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,000
science is continually changing

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00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,000
and then it continually gets

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00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000
into our policies and

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00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,000
procedures. At that point which

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00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,000
ultimately makes everything

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00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,000
more expensive to get down,

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00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,000
right down to the bottom line

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00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,000
of it. And so I just caution

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00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,400
ourselves to understand where

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00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,000
these policies are coming

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00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,000
from and who is directing based

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on the best available science.

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That's changing constantly.

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01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,000
>> Okay, we're going to move

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01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000
on to Councilmember Walker.

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01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,000
You have your hand raised.

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01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,000
>> Thank you, Sarah. Thank you

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for all this great work and all

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,000
the great information. I have

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01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,000
not spent very much time

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01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,000
digging into it, so I may ask a

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01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,000
question that I just haven't

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01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,000
dug far enough in.

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01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,000
But my question is around the

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land use strategies and I was

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01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,000
surprised not to see anything

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01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,000
on there about zoning. And

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01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,000
that's. I think land use

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01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,000
transportation, we talk

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01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,000
about that all the time. How we

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zone our cities for buildings

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01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,000
and roads makes a huge

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01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,000
difference in our ability then

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to conserve open space and

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01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,000
plant more trees. And I'm

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curious if there's something

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more because I know you do

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mention zoning,

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,000
but it's specific to zoning

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01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,000
for trees. Is there anything

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01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,000
in that category about zoning

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01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,000
for buildings and

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,000
transportation or what? I find

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that deep in the transportation

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section and the built

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environment section. But I

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didn't really see that

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specifically. And I just want

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to be a broken record about

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land use and transportation

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always going hand

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in hand and get through one

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without the other. Thank you.

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>> So that is captured in the

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transportation sector

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strategies, if memory serves.

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2.1 is where we talk

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about reducing VMT. And so that

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is where those zoning changes

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come in as example actions and

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strategies. So that is where

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those are captured. Land use, I

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think we're really specifically

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talking about natural and

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working lands is kind

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of what we were thinking

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01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,000
of when we were talking

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about land use.

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But what you are talking

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about is included in the

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transportation sector

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strategies.

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>> Other questions or comments?

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In the room?

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And I don't see any hands

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raised. So I think we're going

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to move on

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to our next discussion item.

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Actually it's an action item.

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>> Thank you.

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>> So our next item is the

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regional transportation plan

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scenario decision. And Kelly

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and Craig, that's you.

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>> Yes. And Sarah, thank you so

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much for the presentation. And

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just to close that out,

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we are certainly now that it is

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out and the timing is

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December, we will definitely be

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talking in the RTP about how

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our two documents fit together.

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We are ahead of schedule,

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which is great. Which means

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we've got a lot more time

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to talk about RTP. So we are

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here. We did warn you last

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month that we are here

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to get a, an action from you

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to identify kind of that final

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scenarios that we could move

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forward into developing the

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regional transportation plan.

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So we're going to just walk

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through a few quick background.

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I know we've been,

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you have all been

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on this journey with us.

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But a short reminder on the

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scenario development process.

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We do want

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to share the public feedback

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to date

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with you and I just want

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to acknowledge we have had

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three out of the six public

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meetings so far. We've had

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surveys, we've had done a lot

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of other interviews. Public

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engagement is going

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to continue even up to the

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point where we release the

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draft plan. But we are at a

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moment right now where we do

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need this decision point so we

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can develop the draft plan. But

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we will have that constant

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feedback scenario and share

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that information with you.

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We'll do a quick reminder of

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the scenario analysis and some

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additional metrics that we

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included in the packet based

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on feedback

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from the last meeting. There is

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a requested project correction.

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It was brought up at the last

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meeting and I'll walk through

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that again this morning. And

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then really we want to hear

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from you and hone in

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on that final,

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final scenario. And I have

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brought my phone

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of friends again

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for our next two topics.

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Craig Hellman and Ben Vacanta

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is at the table with me. So

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this is not new. You have seen

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this before. As a reminder we

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had our four scenarios, our

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four plan scenarios that ran

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the gamut of different levels

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of funding source, new funding

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sources that might be required,

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new revenues,

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new as well as different

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Councilmember Schneider

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mentioned them,

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different levers

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of investment. And based

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on the we did a poll

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at your meeting in September

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and from that poll the majority

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preference was leaning towards

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scenario 2B. And as a reminder

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this is what's

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in scenario 2B. So we looked

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at for those larger scale

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regional capacity projects

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looking at only looking

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at those that will start

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before 2040. And as my never

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ending reminder we develop a

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new plan every 4 years. This

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not a one and done proposition.

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There were a lot

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of programmatic improvements.

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So these are more local

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01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,000
localized investments things

2043
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,000
that are off the regional

2044
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,000
system or they're not changing

2045
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,000
capacity

2046
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,000
of the regional system. With

2047
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,000
updated planning documents

2048
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,000
there is a quite a vast amount

2049
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,000
of need that had been

2050
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000
identified not able

2051
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,000
to be fully funded. And so

2052
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,000
scenario 2B said we are going

2053
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,000
to assume that 70% of all

2054
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,000
of those needs could be funded

2055
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,000
with this

2056
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,000
through this planning. But

2057
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,000
importantly this was the kind

2058
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,000
of the board crafted scenario

2059
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,000
where even with all

2060
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,000
of that they want to maximize

2061
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,000
our maintenance and

2062
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,000
preservation levels and

2063
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,000
maximize our assumed increase

2064
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
in local transit service growth

2065
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,000
at 2% per year. And with all of

2066
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,000
those investments it would

2067
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000
require just under $49 billion

2068
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
of new revenues

2069
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,000
to be identified. So this was

2070
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
the scenario that was kind

2071
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,000
of leading the charge in

2072
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000
September. So I do want

2073
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,000
to pivot a little bit and share

2074
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,000
with you what we've heard

2075
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,000
from the feedback

2076
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,000
from our public meetings,

2077
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,000
which has been very consistent

2078
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
with what we've been hearing

2079
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,000
around this table. So we've had

2080
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,000
three

2081
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,000
of them and we've had a number

2082
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,000
of elected officials,

2083
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,000
including board members,

2084
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,000
attend those. So thank you

2085
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,000
to all of you that have been

2086
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
attending. It has been very

2087
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,000
much appreciated. And we have

2088
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,000
three more coming up next week

2089
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,000
in Tacoma, the week after in

2090
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,000
Tukwila, and then our last one

2091
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,000
in Bremerton. And it's been,

2092
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,000
it's. They've been really

2093
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,000
valuable public meetings.

2094
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,000
We've had over 170 people show

2095
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,000
up to the three that we've held

2096
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,000
so far. And as we walked them

2097
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,000
through, it's been a very

2098
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,000
engaging and interactive

2099
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,000
process. So when folks come

2100
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,000
into the room, we have stations

2101
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,000
set up and we ask them to, at

2102
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,000
that point we give them

2103
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,000
information on what's in the

2104
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,000
regional transportation plan,

2105
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,000
what is their preferred mode

2106
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,000
of travel, talking

2107
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,000
about the investments, and then

2108
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,000
we do put the four scenarios

2109
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,000
in front

2110
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,000
of them and we ask them at that

2111
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,000
stage what is their preference.

2112
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,000
But then we gather everybody.

2113
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,000
After that we have table

2114
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,000
discussions and each table

2115
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,000
talks through the different

2116
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,000
scenarios and comes up

2117
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,000
with a consensus

2118
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,000
for each table. And so these

2119
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,000
percentages is a culmination

2120
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,000
of all

2121
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,000
of those table discussions

2122
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,000
at each

2123
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,000
of the three public meetings.

2124
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,000
And as you can see,

2125
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,000
Interestingly enough,

2126
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,000
scenario 2B is still kind of

2127
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,400
leading the leading preference

2128
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,000
from the members of the public

2129
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000
that we've heard so far as

2130
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,000
well. And we wanted to share

2131
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,000
with you. This is this, these

2132
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,000
are paraphrased and there are

2133
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,000
certainly many more comments.

2134
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,000
And we are gathering all of

2135
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,000
that and we will certainly

2136
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,000
share that and publish it when

2137
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,000
the draft plan comes out. But

2138
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,000
there were some key quotes that

2139
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,000
we thought we would share that

2140
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,000
just kind of gave the flavor

2141
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,000
of the conversation. And so

2142
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,000
I'll just read

2143
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,000
through these fairly quickly.

2144
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,000
One, we did ask folks to share

2145
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,000
with us information

2146
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,000
on both their priorities

2147
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,000
in terms of infrastructure, but

2148
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,000
also how they feel the system

2149
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,000
is doing. I think mostly we

2150
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,000
heard roads are failing, but

2151
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,000
interestingly we also heard

2152
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,000
very much an acknowledgement

2153
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,000
that the roads support all

2154
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,000
of the other modes. The roads

2155
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,000
support transit, they support

2156
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,000
bikes,

2157
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,000
they support sidewalks. A lot

2158
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,000
of interest

2159
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,000
in prioritizing transit. So

2160
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,000
that came out very clearly and

2161
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,000
I thought this quote was great.

2162
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000
Transit should be prioritized

2163
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,000
because it serves everybody

2164
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,000
regardless of income.

2165
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,000
But again, acknowledging that

2166
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,000
buses cannot run where there

2167
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,000
are bad roads. So feeding into

2168
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,000
that maintenance and

2169
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,000
preservation theme, sidewalks

2170
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,000
are important because they

2171
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,000
address accessibility and help

2172
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,000
connect people to transit. And

2173
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,000
this one was very much what we,

2174
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,000
what we think about here at

2175
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,000
this table is new projects get

2176
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,000
a lot of attention,

2177
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,000
but we need more attention to

2178
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,000
maintenance. A few other quotes

2179
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,000
kind of acknowledging that the

2180
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,000
first two quotes here, there

2181
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,000
isn't enough infrastructure to

2182
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,000
serve everyone and housing

2183
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,000
growth is out outpacing

2184
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,000
transportation capacity. And

2185
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,000
then some interesting, you

2186
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,000
know,

2187
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,000
as the conversation flowed

2188
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,000
between whether it was scenario

2189
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,000
one, for example, which is just

2190
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,000
use existing sources versus the

2191
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,000
other scenarios which required

2192
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,000
new revenue,

2193
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,000
it was interesting

2194
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,000
to see that coalescing

2195
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,000
around the middle Scenarios and

2196
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,000
Scenario 2B and some comments

2197
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,000
about I don't mind being taxed,

2198
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,000
but I want it to go to

2199
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,000
dependable sources and people

2200
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,000
are willing to dig into their

2201
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,000
pocketbooks if they're,

2202
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,000
if they're going

2203
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,000
to see results. And then I

2204
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,000
think we've also talked

2205
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,000
at this table that as you move

2206
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,000
out from core areas,

2207
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,000
the quality and quantity

2208
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,400
of infrastructure declines. So

2209
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,000
some high level feedback from

2210
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,000
our really fabulous public

2211
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,000
meetings. But we've also been

2212
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,000
in front of our equity advisory

2213
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,000
committee. So we've had several

2214
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,000
presentations with them. But we

2215
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,000
had a very similar presentation

2216
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,000
to them last week. Their

2217
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,000
feedback is a little bit,

2218
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,000
a little bit different in that

2219
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,000
they are not surprisingly,

2220
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,000
really focused on accessibility

2221
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,400
and affordability. While some

2222
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,000
of them did express a

2223
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,000
preference for scenario tb,

2224
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,000
more of the EAC members

2225
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,000
expressed a preference for

2226
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,000
scenario one and it was really

2227
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,000
about the cost burden when it

2228
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,000
came down to it. So they very

2229
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,000
much acknowledge that

2230
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,000
additional infrastructure is

2231
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,000
certainly needed,

2232
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,000
but they're very much worried

2233
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,000
about the additional cost to

2234
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,000
households and acknowledging

2235
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,000
that the cost burdens not only

2236
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,000
will be,

2237
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,000
will not be equally distributed

2238
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,000
across households and

2239
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,000
communities, but some comments

2240
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,000
about the existing funding

2241
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,000
sources are not being equitably

2242
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,000
distributed and have an impact.

2243
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,000
A couple

2244
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,000
of paraphrased comments from

2245
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
the EAC members which were very

2246
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,400
helpful talking about this

2247
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,000
first comment is talking about,

2248
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,000
as we know, their displacement

2249
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:10,000
occurs and so folks have

2250
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,000
to move further away from where

2251
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,000
facilities are and they have

2252
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,000
to drive. And then if we're

2253
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,000
looking at new revenue sources

2254
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,000
that are increasing the gas

2255
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,000
tax, for example, the sentiment

2256
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,000
that it's further punishing

2257
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,000
those community members who

2258
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,000
have

2259
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,000
to drive because they live

2260
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000
in areas. So it's a bit

2261
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,000
of a circular,

2262
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000
circular issue there also. And

2263
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,000
again, this was kind

2264
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000
of a key theme. Our

2265
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,000
transportation infrastructure

2266
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,000
needs to meet the needs

2267
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,000
of people with low income,

2268
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,000
seniors and people of color.

2269
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,000
But these communities also

2270
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,000
experience the highest

2271
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,400
financial burdens. So again,

2272
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,000
recognizing they're very,

2273
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,000
very concerned about equity

2274
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,400
considerations and the pursuit

2275
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,000
of new funding sources and how

2276
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,000
that will impact folks that are

2277
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
already feeling burdened.

2278
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,000
But if a new scenario,

2279
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,000
or excuse me, if a scenario

2280
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,000
with new revenues is pursued,

2281
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,000
really be clear

2282
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,000
about what benefits are going

2283
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,000
to be received from the

2284
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,000
for those community members

2285
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,000
from the additional cost. And

2286
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,000
again emphasizing the

2287
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,000
importance of equitable funding

2288
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,000
mechanisms. And as we heard

2289
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,000
that feedback,

2290
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,000
I think as we move forward with

2291
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,000
this discussion and as we spend

2292
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,000
more time with you talking

2293
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,000
about the financial strategy,

2294
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,000
which is the next presentation

2295
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,000
and a good chunk of November,

2296
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,000
we will definitely bring these

2297
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,000
sentiments and these comments

2298
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,000
back. And I'm going to turn it

2299
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,000
over to Craig

2300
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,000
for the scenario analysis.

2301
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,000
>> Yeah, and this will be

2302
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,000
pretty brief because we

2303
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,000
provided all the information

2304
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,000
in the packet, so. And we also

2305
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,000
shared a bunch of it

2306
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,000
with you last month as well.

2307
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,000
But just to kind

2308
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,000
of reiterate, as we've talked

2309
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,000
about all these four scenarios,

2310
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,000
we have definitely seen modest

2311
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,000
differences between the

2312
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,000
scenarios when we look at the

2313
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,000
model performance metrics. And

2314
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,000
just as a reminder, that's

2315
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,000
because our modeling can look

2316
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,000
at the regional capacity

2317
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,000
projects and it can look

2318
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,000
at transit.

2319
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,000
But programmatic investments,

2320
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,000
we don't have a list

2321
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,000
programmatic investment,

2322
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,000
so we can't model those. And

2323
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,000
the maintenance and

2324
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,000
preservation stuff is the same.

2325
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,000
And so that was really

2326
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,000
interesting as we were hearing

2327
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,000
feedback

2328
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,000
at the public meetings,

2329
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,000
we're hearing

2330
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,000
about the importance of

2331
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,000
maintenance and preservation as

2332
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,000
a policy.

2333
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,000
But also we heard information

2334
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,000
about kind of those local

2335
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,000
projects or the things that

2336
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,000
people interact

2337
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,000
with and they see

2338
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,000
in their communities. And so

2339
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,000
there was a lot of interest

2340
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,000
in that. And we definitely see

2341
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,000
greater distinctions between

2342
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,000
the scenarios when we look at

2343
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,000
the spatial qualitative

2344
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,000
measures and that one. And you

2345
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,000
can see on the next slide,

2346
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,000
we just decided

2347
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,000
to take one highlight

2348
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,000
from all the data we provide

2349
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,000
in packaging just to really

2350
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,000
reinforce that as we kind

2351
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,000
of look at this transit gaps as

2352
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,000
a reminder,

2353
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,000
this is places we looked at

2354
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,000
places that have a density that

2355
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,000
could support different levels

2356
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,000
of transit and whether or not

2357
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,000
they have that level

2358
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,000
of transit. So

2359
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,000
in this case it's the gap. So

2360
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,000
this is saying you have a

2361
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,000
density that could support that

2362
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,000
level of transit,

2363
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:50,000
but you don't have it available

2364
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,000
in those places. And so you can

2365
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,000
kind of see how that varies

2366
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,000
by today

2367
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,000
with our four transit types.

2368
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,000
Some

2369
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,000
of the biggest gaps being kind

2370
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,000
of in that really local or all

2371
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,000
day service and you can see how

2372
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,000
much different scenario 2b is.

2373
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,000
For instance,

2374
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,000
as we added those hours. So

2375
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,000
that that focus here

2376
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,000
to make sure you put the hours

2377
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,000
into transit has a big

2378
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,000
difference in terms of how much

2379
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,000
people would have access

2380
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,000
to those, those amenities,

2381
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,000
those facilities to be able

2382
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,000
to go about and travel. You can

2383
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,000
see as an example, the local

2384
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,000
transit gap is more than half

2385
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,000
of what it is today. And so

2386
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,000
that's a percentage wise and

2387
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,000
that's with a lot more people

2388
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,000
in places that have that level

2389
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,000
of transit as well. So it's a

2390
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,000
pretty significant reduction

2391
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,000
in those gaps.

2392
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,000
>> So that's just a quick high

2393
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,000
flyover, kind of a summary of

2394
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,000
the same information that was

2395
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,000
presented

2396
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,000
across the scenarios last month

2397
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,000
with a few additional metrics

2398
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,000
that were included

2399
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,000
in the packet. Again mostly

2400
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,000
focused on access to transit.

2401
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,600
You may remember that WSDOT had

2402
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,000
requested one correction at the

2403
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,000
last meeting and we just wanted

2404
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,000
to formalize that and put that

2405
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,000
in front of you. So the project

2406
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,000
is the i5 Thorn Lane to 38th

2407
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,000
Street Core HOV project. And

2408
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,000
the correction is that the

2409
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,000
start year

2410
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,000
of the project had been

2411
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,000
in error submitted for 2042.

2412
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,000
It is actually hoped to start

2413
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,000
in 2034. And so that would then

2414
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,000
bring that project over

2415
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,000
into scenario 2B. And this

2416
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,000
project of course is going to

2417
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,000
complete the HOV system missing

2418
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,000
link in Pierce county as well

2419
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,000
as I believe from King county

2420
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,000
three through to dupont. And

2421
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,000
the project does have current

2422
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,000
funds committed as well as

2423
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,000
future funding through Move

2424
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,000
Ahead Washington. And just full

2425
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,000
disclosure,

2426
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,000
by moving this project, by

2427
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,000
making this corrections and

2428
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,000
acknowledging that the project

2429
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,000
is anticipated to start

2430
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,000
before 2040, it does slightly

2431
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,000
increase the funding gap. The

2432
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,000
new revenues required

2433
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,000
for scenario to be instead of

2434
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,000
48.9 billion, it would be 49.3

2435
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,400
billion. So we went

2436
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,000
through that pretty quickly.

2437
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,000
But there's been a lot

2438
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,000
of conversation

2439
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,000
over the last several months

2440
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,000
on these scenarios. And again

2441
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,000
last month we took a poll

2442
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,000
of you and the majority of you

2443
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,000
were leaning towards scenario

2444
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,000
2B with a focus

2445
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,000
on maintenance and transit.

2446
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,000
Obviously there's a lot

2447
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,000
of conversations

2448
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,000
about that pursuit of new

2449
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,000
revenues will add some cost to

2450
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,000
households and we will again

2451
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,000
start queuing up that

2452
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,000
conversation

2453
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,000
on the financial strategy

2454
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,000
in a little bit.

2455
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,000
But we are asking

2456
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,000
for an action today to land on

2457
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,000
the one scenario that we will

2458
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,000
finalize the analysis for and

2459
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,000
have that be the draft plan

2460
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,000
that gets released

2461
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,000
for public comment. And

2462
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,000
before I ask for the action,

2463
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,000
just know that this is still an

2464
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,000
iteration. So we will release

2465
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,000
the draft plan

2466
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,000
for public comment hopefully

2467
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,000
in December through the end

2468
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,000
of January and we will come

2469
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,000
back. We will continue

2470
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,000
to have conversations with you

2471
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,000
about actions, policy

2472
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000
statements, key messages

2473
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,000
for the draft plan and

2474
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,000
depending on what we hear and

2475
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,000
more thought, we can certainly

2476
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,000
modify as we move forward

2477
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,000
before we get

2478
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,000
to the final plan adoption in

2479
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,000
May. But this is just kind

2480
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,000
of an important moment in time

2481
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,000
for us. And so

2482
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,000
with that we took the liberty

2483
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,000
of assuming that it would be 2B.

2484
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,000
But if there is a difference,

2485
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,000
we can certainly modify that.

2486
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,000
We're just looking

2487
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,000
for an action today. Right.

2488
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,000
>> Thank you. Kelly and Craig.

2489
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,000
I know that we have put a lot

2490
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,000
of time and effort

2491
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,000
into this and many meetings.

2492
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,000
So hopefully we can move this

2493
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,400
the scenario forward and

2494
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,000
continue this body

2495
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,000
of work and move on

2496
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,000
to other things. So the

2497
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,000
questions for Kelly or Craig

2498
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,000
first and then

2499
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:36,000
after that we'll look

2500
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,000
for a motion.

2501
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,000
>> So Councilmember

2502
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,000
Schneider, thank you very much.

2503
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,000
I support to be what I would

2504
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:45,200
ask is when this is being put

2505
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,000
out there could there be some

2506
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,000
examples of what it does not

2507
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,000
fund and is that already

2508
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,000
in it? Because I think it's

2509
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,000
important

2510
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,000
to know what you're getting,

2511
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,000
but also what you're not

2512
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,000
getting. Absolutely. And so

2513
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,000
we've published that for each

2514
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,000
of the scenarios. So we'll

2515
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,000
definitely keep referencing

2516
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,000
that

2517
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,000
in the draft plan and we'll

2518
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,000
talk about how we got

2519
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,000
to scenario 2B and we'll talk

2520
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,000
about what's still not included

2521
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,000
and what's to come.

2522
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,000
Absolutely.

2523
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,000
>> Okay. Other comments or

2524
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,000
questions? Is there a motion?

2525
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,000
Don't all speak at once.

2526
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,000
>> So moved.

2527
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,000
>> Was that Dana?

2528
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,000
>> Yes.

2529
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,000
>> Okay. Okay. That was

2530
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,000
Council member Zarlingo with

2531
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,000
the second and the motion was

2532
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,000
by Jared Dana Ralph. Further

2533
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,000
discussion? We're

2534
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,000
with the moving forward

2535
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,000
with scenario 2B. Don't hear

2536
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,000
any. All in favor,

2537
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:50,000
please say aye.

2538
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,000
>> Aye.

2539
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,400
>> Is there anyone opposed?

2540
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,000
That passes unanimously. Thank

2541
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,000
you. All right. We are

2542
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,000
to item 10, the Regional

2543
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,000
Transportation plan financial

2544
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,000
strategy. Kelly, that's the

2545
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,000
next step.

2546
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,000
>> Well, this is great. We are

2547
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,000
having. We were a little

2548
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,000
worried that we wouldn't have

2549
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,000
terribly much time

2550
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,000
on this topic. And so we were

2551
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:22,000
really planning on queuing up

2552
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,400
this discussion today, but

2553
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,000
really coming and hitting you

2554
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:27,000
hard in November. But we've got

2555
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,000
a little bit more time,

2556
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,600
which is great. So you may

2557
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,000
remember we had numerous

2558
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,000
conversations

2559
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,000
on the RTP financial strategy

2560
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,000
in the fall of 2024. We

2561
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,000
identified some parameters,

2562
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,000
then we kind of put a pin

2563
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,000
in that and then started moving

2564
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,000
to what are all of the

2565
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,000
investments being proposed,

2566
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,000
what are our funding levels?

2567
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,000
And the work that we just did

2568
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,000
with you to identify the

2569
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:53,000
scenario had a lot

2570
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,000
of really great information.

2571
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,000
Now we have a level

2572
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,000
of new revenues that we need

2573
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,000
to go identify the details

2574
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,000
of what should that look like?

2575
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,000
And so that's what where we're

2576
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,000
going

2577
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,000
to start the conversation

2578
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,000
with you today and then

2579
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,000
continue into November. So

2580
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,000
we'll do a couple of reminders

2581
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,000
on the requirements.

2582
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,000
In the background,

2583
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,000
we'll remind you on the

2584
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,000
approach that you all landed

2585
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,000
on for pursuing new revenue

2586
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,000
sources. Craig had done some

2587
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,000
previous sensitivity analysis

2588
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,000
that we'll remind you of. We

2589
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,000
have a little bit of additional

2590
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,000
background and then really talk

2591
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,000
about. We've got some key

2592
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,000
discussion points and some

2593
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,000
decision points maybe that we

2594
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:30,000
want to work with you on as we

2595
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,000
build the financial strategy

2596
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,000
and include that

2597
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,200
in the draft plan. So you have

2598
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,000
seen this a couple of times.

2599
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:40,000
But just a quick reminder, as

2600
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,000
the, as the MPO

2601
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,000
under federal law, as the

2602
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,000
Regional Transportation

2603
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,000
Planning Organization

2604
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,000
under state law, we have

2605
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,000
certain requirements as it

2606
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:48,000
relates to this. So all

2607
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,000
of the levers and the,

2608
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,000
and the buckets of investment

2609
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,000
that we've talked about,

2610
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,000
we are required to have a

2611
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,000
regional transportation plan

2612
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,000
that identifies all

2613
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,000
of those investments on the

2614
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,000
transportation system as well

2615
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000
as how we are going to pay

2616
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,000
for them, including

2617
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,000
maintenance,

2618
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,000
preservation and operations.

2619
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,000
So we have to have what we call

2620
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,000
a financially constrained plan.

2621
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:11,000
We've said this a few times and

2622
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,000
I think we're kind

2623
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,000
of past this point. But I'll

2624
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,000
just do a quick reminder. This

2625
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,000
is not an adopted budget. It is

2626
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,000
not saying that, you know,

2627
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,000
for programmatic investments,

2628
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,000
for example, we don't,

2629
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,000
we don't have a way of saying

2630
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,000
it's this investment first or

2631
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,000
this city has

2632
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,000
to do certain things. This is a

2633
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,000
long range vision of these are

2634
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,000
the investments that are needed

2635
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,000
and desired. This is how much

2636
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,000
it will cost

2637
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,000
to get there and how would we

2638
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,000
go about doing that. So when it

2639
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,000
comes to the new revenues which

2640
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,000
is going to be the focus

2641
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,000
of this conversation, we have

2642
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,000
to include some strategies and

2643
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,000
a little bit of detail. They

2644
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,000
have to be feasible and

2645
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,000
somewhat realistic

2646
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,000
to move forward. And you may

2647
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,000
remember we shared information

2648
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,000
on the history and the state

2649
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,000
and the region of pursuing new

2650
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,000
revenue sources. And I can't

2651
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,000
remember already. I think I'm

2652
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,000
still going before I pass it

2653
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,000
over to you. So this is a great

2654
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,000
follow up to the climate

2655
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,000
conversation that we just had.

2656
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,000
We spent a lot of time talking

2657
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,000
about our improved fleet fuel

2658
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,000
efficiency of the vehicles as

2659
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,000
well as the continued

2660
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,000
advancement in electric

2661
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,000
vehicles. I looked this

2662
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,000
morning, Craig, at our

2663
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,000
dashboard and I believe as of

2664
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,000
January the, the new sales of

2665
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,000
both zero emission vehicle

2666
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,000
electric vehicles and hybrids

2667
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,000
was about 43% of all sales

2668
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,000
in the region. So that just

2669
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,000
continues to grow. And that

2670
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,000
does obviously have an impact

2671
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,000
on the gas tax. The we've been

2672
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,000
saying that the gas tax is a

2673
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,000
declining revenue source for

2674
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,000
quite some time and it's just

2675
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,000
getting more so in addition

2676
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,000
to fuel efficiency,

2677
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,000
also just the impact

2678
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,000
of debt service requirements.

2679
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,000
And so this is just a reality

2680
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,000
that when we're planning on

2681
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,000
to 2050 that we have

2682
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,000
to acknowledge. And you may

2683
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,000
remember that for all of the

2684
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,000
investments that were

2685
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,000
identified and the gap to fully

2686
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,000
funding those investments,

2687
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,000
it is not the same

2688
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:08,000
across sponsor categories. And

2689
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:09,000
there's some pretty stark

2690
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:10,000
differences. And the bold

2691
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,000
highlights, really,

2692
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,000
the majority

2693
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,000
of the gap is falling

2694
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,000
on cities, followed

2695
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,000
by local transit. And that is

2696
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,000
also something that now is the

2697
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,000
time for us to really dig

2698
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,000
in and talk

2699
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:22,000
about not just filling the

2700
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,000
$49.3 billion gap,

2701
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,000
but filling it in a way that

2702
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,000
actually addresses the sponsor

2703
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,000
categories. I think this is

2704
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,000
where I'm passing it over

2705
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,000
to you.

2706
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,000
>> And so as we talked

2707
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,000
previously in kind

2708
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,000
of maybe a pivot

2709
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,000
from previous plans,

2710
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,000
as we definitely heard, an

2711
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,000
interest and being a bit more

2712
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,000
focused on our financial

2713
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,000
strategy and really focusing on

2714
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,000
those sources that one can do

2715
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,000
bigger things, the kind

2716
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,000
of bigger bang for your buck,

2717
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,000
but also ones that be

2718
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,000
implemented consistently

2719
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,000
across the region. Having said

2720
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,000
that, we are definitely

2721
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,000
in the financial strategy going

2722
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:59,000
to continue to have that kind

2723
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,000
of list of all the other

2724
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,000
strategies that locals can

2725
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,000
implement and do.

2726
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,000
But we really wanted to kind of

2727
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,000
hit and we had these five

2728
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,000
sources that were identified

2729
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,000
and some of it as we kind

2730
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,000
of get

2731
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:10,000
through this conversation,

2732
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,000
we want to see if this is still

2733
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,000
the same five that we want

2734
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,000
to continue to have. So we've

2735
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,000
heard definitely road usage,

2736
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,000
charge changes

2737
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,000
in vehicle fees. And so those

2738
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:21,000
can be weight fees,

2739
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,000
registration fees,

2740
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,000
motor vehicle excise tax, all

2741
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,000
those things that we're just

2742
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,000
kind of lumping together as

2743
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,000
vehicle fees. A look

2744
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,000
at increased sales tax rates

2745
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,000
for local transit,

2746
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,000
increased county road levy,

2747
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,000
which is currently capped at a

2748
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,000
1% increased annual increase.

2749
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,000
And just so if folks remember

2750
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,000
this is actually

2751
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,000
in the legislature this year,

2752
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,000
they were looking

2753
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,000
at possibly lifting that to I

2754
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,000
believe they looked I think

2755
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,000
The House looked at 3%, the

2756
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,400
Senate looked at 6%. Neither

2757
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,000
passed at this point, but it's

2758
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,000
definitely been something the

2759
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,000
legislature is actively looking

2760
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,000
at right now. And then Deputy

2761
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,000
Mayor Arnold appointed us to

2762
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,000
some work that their joint

2763
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,000
transportation committee had

2764
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,000
done

2765
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,000
on a retail delivery fee. And

2766
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,000
so that was also something that

2767
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,000
we heard were five sources

2768
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:07,000
to kind of consider. So we had

2769
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,000
gone ahead and done some

2770
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:10,000
sensitivity tests. This was

2771
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,000
before we knew what the need

2772
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,000
was going to be

2773
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,000
for the revenue. And so this is

2774
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,000
just a reminder as we kind

2775
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,000
of looked at different,

2776
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:18,000
different levels of things,

2777
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,000
we now know the gap based

2778
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,000
on what you just selected

2779
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,000
with scenario 2B is about $49

2780
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,000
billion. So as we kind of look

2781
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,000
at those, good news,

2782
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,000
we don't have to go

2783
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,000
with the high versions

2784
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,000
of these to generate that

2785
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,000
somewhere combination

2786
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,000
of the low and medium. We could

2787
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,000
actually fill the gap. We can,

2788
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,000
we can find a gap, find a way

2789
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,000
to fill the gap based

2790
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,000
on these,

2791
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,000
these sources that we have.

2792
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:42,000
This is just kind

2793
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,000
of a reminder of when we kind

2794
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,000
of looked at those,

2795
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,000
roughly what you could generate

2796
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,000
by those. And you can see road

2797
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,000
usage charges definitely have a

2798
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,000
big bang for their buck. But

2799
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,000
you can generate a lot as well

2800
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,000
with, say, sales tax. That's

2801
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,000
why sales tax is pretty easy

2802
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,000
to implement,

2803
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,000
but it gives you that kind

2804
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,000
of rough order of magnitude

2805
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,000
in terms of what the big kind

2806
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,000
of bang for your buck is

2807
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,000
by these different sources.

2808
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,000
Next one. So, kind

2809
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:08,000
of as we continue to move the

2810
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,000
conversation forward,

2811
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,000
we thought we'd start

2812
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,000
to share too. As we look

2813
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,000
at these five sources,

2814
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,000
some are constrained in

2815
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,000
different ways that you can

2816
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,000
spend them. And I think this

2817
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,000
goes back

2818
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,000
to when we saw that gap that

2819
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,000
Kelly was showing and we talked

2820
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,000
about the percentage. 85%

2821
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,000
of the gap is for counties,

2822
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,400
cities and local transit. 15%

2823
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,000
is for the state. So when we

2824
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,000
look at a road usage charge as

2825
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,000
an example,

2826
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,000
that can be implemented

2827
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,000
for the state, if it was

2828
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,000
implemented same way gas tax

2829
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,000
is, that can go to the state,

2830
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:38,000
that can go to counties,

2831
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,000
that can go to cities,

2832
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,000
can't go to transit. As an

2833
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,000
example, right now,

2834
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,000
the current gas tax

2835
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,000
distribution, last year, 80%

2836
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,000
of the gas tax went

2837
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,000
to the state and 20% went

2838
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,000
to cities and counties.

2839
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,000
So as you start to think

2840
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,000
about what that gap is

2841
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,000
for moving forward,

2842
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,000
when the gap is 85%. So it's

2843
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,000
almost the exact reverse

2844
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,000
of this. As we think

2845
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,000
about that road usage charge,

2846
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,000
there's nothing that says it

2847
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,000
has to be distributed 20 this

2848
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,000
way. That's one of the things

2849
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:08,000
to think about. But definitely

2850
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,000
it can help fill those holes.

2851
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,000
But current distributions would

2852
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,000
make it really, really tough to

2853
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,000
use that source and that

2854
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,400
current distribution that same

2855
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:18,000
way. We look at vehicle fees,

2856
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,000
vehicle fees actually currently

2857
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,000
can be used by the state,

2858
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,000
by counties, by cities,

2859
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,000
and also by transit, both local

2860
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,000
transit and regional transit.

2861
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,000
Sound Transit has a motor

2862
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,000
vehicle excise tax, but also

2863
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,000
local transit gets a small

2864
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,000
share of Vehicle fees as well.

2865
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,000
And you can kind

2866
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,000
of see that distribution. When

2867
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:36,000
we look at existing vehicle fee

2868
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,000
distributions

2869
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:38,000
in the last couple of years,

2870
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,000
that one's close to about 70%

2871
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,000
to the state,

2872
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,000
little more than 28%

2873
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,000
to counties and cities,

2874
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,000
and roughly about 4%

2875
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,000
to local transit. So definitely

2876
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,000
a little bit bigger share.

2877
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,000
But just as that reminder,

2878
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,000
again, as we look

2879
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,000
at those ones, as we think

2880
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,000
of newer fees,

2881
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,000
this distribution would. And

2882
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,000
you can kind of see that the

2883
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,000
top line up there. We were

2884
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,000
saying if we look at those

2885
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,000
current distribution methods,

2886
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,000
it would be tough to. For us

2887
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,000
to meet the needs, the gaps for

2888
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,000
the cities and the counties,

2889
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,000
especially if those same

2890
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,400
distributions are the same.

2891
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,000
When you look

2892
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,000
at the transit sales tax,

2893
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,000
this is one of the ones.

2894
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,000
On that previous slide,

2895
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,000
when we talked about levers, we

2896
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,000
just did what if everybody was

2897
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,000
at a certain level? So we did a

2898
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,000
scenario, the middle one,

2899
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,000
where what if everyone was

2900
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,000
at 1.4% for local sales tax?

2901
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,400
We picked 1.4 because that's

2902
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:32,000
what sound trans is. Sales tax

2903
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,000
rate is. So what if all local

2904
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,000
transit was at that kind

2905
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,000
of regional level?

2906
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,000
But having said that,

2907
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,000
that's a bigger lift for some

2908
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,000
of our transit partners than it

2909
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,000
would be for others. When you

2910
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,000
look at Pierce and Everett, as

2911
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,400
an example, are currently

2912
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:46,000
at 0.6%,

2913
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,000
that would be more than

2914
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,000
doubling to go to 1.4%.

2915
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,000
Whereas you can see for

2916
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,000
community transit as an

2917
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,000
example,

2918
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,000
it's a little smaller lift.

2919
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,000
But one of the things we know

2920
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,000
that's important for us

2921
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,000
to highlight is some

2922
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,000
of these things take action at

2923
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:00,000
the local level and some take

2924
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,000
action

2925
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,000
at the legislative level. This

2926
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,000
would require action at both.

2927
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,000
If it goes over 1.2%,

2928
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:09,000
you'd have to have the

2929
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,000
legislature authorize it. And

2930
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,000
then you'd also have

2931
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,000
to have your locals voted

2932
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,000
in as you think about that. So

2933
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,000
as we think about how we want

2934
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,000
to package these things and

2935
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,000
think about what those levels

2936
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,000
of them are, kind

2937
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,000
of give the framework for.

2938
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,000
For kind of that idea. We

2939
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,000
already mentioned the county

2940
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,000
road levy. It's currently

2941
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,000
capped at 1% annual growth.

2942
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,000
There's lots of different ways

2943
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,000
to do that. We've kind

2944
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,000
of showed different levels.

2945
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,000
And I had mentioned the state

2946
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,000
legislature has already started

2947
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,000
looking at other levels,

2948
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:38,000
whether it's somewhere

2949
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,000
between 3 and 6% as we go

2950
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,000
there. And that's definitely

2951
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,000
specific

2952
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,000
for those county needs. The

2953
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,000
retail delivery fees,

2954
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,000
you'll see that not applicable.

2955
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,000
And to be determined,

2956
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,000
because that doesn't exist yet.

2957
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,000
And so sort of to be determined

2958
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,000
how that could. Could be used

2959
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,000
or generated.

2960
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,000
>> And I think this is back

2961
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,000
to me. So we would love

2962
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,000
to especially since we have

2963
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,000
some time this morning,

2964
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,000
we would love to hear from you

2965
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:04,000
but I'll just go

2966
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,000
through a couple of slides

2967
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,000
about some of the topics that

2968
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:07,000
we think are going

2969
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,000
to be most relevant. One is

2970
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,000
while we had a fair amount

2971
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,000
of discussion in late 2024, are

2972
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,000
these the five sources that

2973
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,000
should still be included

2974
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,000
in our financial strategy? And

2975
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,000
as Craig mentioned, we will

2976
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:21,000
still have a plan document that

2977
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,000
lists all

2978
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,000
of the different types of

2979
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,000
sources that could be pursued.

2980
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,000
But in terms of our financial

2981
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,000
figures and our focus, are

2982
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,000
those five still the right

2983
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,000
ones? What levels or rates

2984
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,000
should we kind of assume And I

2985
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,000
do want to I will tease up the

2986
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,000
next slide. We do have one

2987
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,000
decision point that we need

2988
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,000
to get your feedback on

2989
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,000
to today. But our and Ben maybe

2990
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,000
help me out on this. Our

2991
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,400
financial strategy. We want

2992
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,000
to build something that is kind

2993
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,000
of builds the box so

2994
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,000
to speak. We need to identify

2995
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,000
the feasible sources. We need

2996
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:56,000
to identify how they would be

2997
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:57,000
pursued. But we don't need to

2998
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:58,000
say we think it should be

2999
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,000
exactly this and this is what

3000
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,000
we want to go advocate for.

3001
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,000
We've talked about a future

3002
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,000
work program action item and

3003
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,000
maybe we could take more time

3004
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,000
to dig in. So it's, it's our

3005
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,000
financial strategy is a little

3006
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,000
bit of a balance

3007
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,000
between identifying kind

3008
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,000
of the strong parameters

3009
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,000
of this is what it's going

3010
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,000
to take to fund this plan. How

3011
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,000
do we go about it but

3012
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,000
without landing on something

3013
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,000
that you would go take and

3014
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,400
implement tomorrow. We also

3015
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,000
know and as we heard

3016
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,000
from the EAC members in

3017
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:28,000
particular and some

3018
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,000
conversation at this table,

3019
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,000
equity and fairness

3020
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,000
consideration is certainly

3021
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,000
at top of mind. So folks are

3022
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,000
already excited experiencing

3023
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,000
impacts in the world today

3024
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,000
with their with financial

3025
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,000
considerations not necessarily

3026
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,600
a currently fair system when it

3027
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,000
comes

3028
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,000
to transportation finance. And

3029
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,000
so we definitely need

3030
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,000
to have that conversation.

3031
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,000
While PSRC and some of you

3032
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,000
maybe don't have the

3033
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,000
implementation authority we do

3034
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,000
we can provide information on

3035
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,000
things that should be

3036
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,000
considered and called out when

3037
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,000
implementation does occur.

3038
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,000
We've talked a fair bit

3039
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:03,000
about meeting the gaps

3040
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,000
by sponsor category. We don't

3041
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,000
want to just say the sum

3042
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,000
of all of these can fund

3043
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,000
everything when we know that

3044
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,000
there's still a large city gap

3045
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:12,000
we want

3046
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,000
to address that head on. We've

3047
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:14,000
talked about the changes to the

3048
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,000
current distribution methods

3049
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,000
and then on that future action

3050
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:18,000
we've talked

3051
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,000
about this a couple of times

3052
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,000
and I think we're still we'll

3053
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,000
be curious

3054
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:24,000
to see where you all are

3055
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,000
on that. But it does Seem time,

3056
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:26,000
given all of the uncertainty

3057
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,000
that's happening, Robin's

3058
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,000
information on,

3059
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,000
on the state budget,

3060
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:32,000
what's happening

3061
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,000
at the federal level and all of

3062
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,000
these issues maybe actually

3063
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,000
taking some time once the plan

3064
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:37,000
is adopted to we,

3065
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,000
we are the long game. We are,

3066
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:40,000
we are looking at 2050. We are

3067
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:41,000
not looking out

3068
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,000
at something that's

3069
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:44,000
to be immediately implemented

3070
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,000
in the next, you know, two

3071
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,000
to five years. So maybe it is

3072
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:49,000
time to build the box with this

3073
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,000
financial strategy and set up a

3074
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:52,000
work program where we reconvene

3075
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,000
and we really talk

3076
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:54,000
through some of all of these,

3077
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,000
these details. And

3078
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,000
before I turn it over to you,

3079
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,000
if I may, there is one kind

3080
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,000
of nuance that we do need from

3081
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,000
you is we will definitely

3082
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,000
continue this conversation in

3083
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:06,000
November and December if

3084
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,000
necessary. But in order for

3085
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,000
Craig to finalize the modeling

3086
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,000
and move that forward

3087
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,000
into the draft plan,

3088
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,000
we do need some guidance on the

3089
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,000
road usage chart so that we can

3090
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,000
finalize that. And our kind of

3091
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:20,000
baseline assumption is if

3092
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,000
should we assume the state rate

3093
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,000
that has been looked

3094
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,000
at right now. And we also have

3095
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,000
assumed maybe that begins in

3096
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,400
2035, which is our interim

3097
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,000
year. So that's one thing. So

3098
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,000
we definitely want to kind

3099
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,000
of get some head nods from you

3100
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:36,000
on that so that we can move

3101
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,000
forward for that assumption

3102
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,000
in the,

3103
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,000
in the plan that goes out.

3104
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,000
But then also talking

3105
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:41,000
to you about, we think in

3106
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:42,000
November we'll try to bring

3107
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:43,000
back as much information as

3108
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:46,000
possible. Maybe we come back

3109
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,000
on a couple of different

3110
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:49,000
updated revenue scenarios

3111
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:50,000
to meet the $49 billion gap,

3112
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,000
referencing some of the sponsor

3113
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:55,000
category and really talk

3114
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,000
through the policy issues,

3115
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,000
what direction you want

3116
01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:59,000
to include, what policy

3117
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:00,000
statements or actions you want

3118
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,000
to include in the,

3119
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,000
in the plan. Anything that I

3120
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,000
missed?

3121
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:08,000
>> Not that you missed,

3122
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,000
but just

3123
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,000
to add the reason we're asking

3124
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,000
about the road usage charges

3125
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:12,000
of all these ones,

3126
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,000
that's the one that has impacts

3127
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,000
on the performance and the

3128
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:17,000
modeling. We'll see changes

3129
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,000
in VMT, which will then change

3130
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,000
other performance metrics. So

3131
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,000
that's really where we're

3132
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:22,000
trying to kind

3133
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,000
of get your feel for that now

3134
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:25,000
so that we could move forward

3135
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,000
with the now that we know what

3136
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,000
scenario it is,

3137
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,000
if we know what level that is,

3138
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,000
it allows us to move forward

3139
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,000
with the modeling stuff now as

3140
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:33,000
well, while we continue

3141
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:34,000
to work

3142
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,000
on what all the other kind of

3143
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,000
financial inputs would be.

3144
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,000
>> Not trying

3145
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,000
to steer this too much, but

3146
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,000
acknowledging that the biggest

3147
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,000
need is in

3148
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,000
for local government. Is it

3149
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,000
realistic that we're going on

3150
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,600
the gas tax or road usage

3151
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,000
charge is to change the

3152
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,000
distribution methodology Is

3153
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,000
that realistic and where the

3154
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,000
retail delivery fee really does

3155
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,000
probably more impact our local

3156
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,000
community roads more than the,

3157
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,000
the regional system. So just my

3158
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,000
thoughts there,

3159
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,000
and I see some hands raised.

3160
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,000
Council Member Kettle, go

3161
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,000
ahead.

3162
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:21,000
>> Yes, thank you. I just

3163
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,400
wanted to thank you

3164
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,000
for the briefing. And I just

3165
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,000
wanted to make one note that,

3166
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,000
you know, when we're talking

3167
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,000
about the sales tax,

3168
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,000
it was said kind of casually,

3169
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,000
but I'm here to tell you that

3170
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,000
we're pretty much maxed out.

3171
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,000
And, you know, we just had the,

3172
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,000
you know, the state approved

3173
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:40,000
the public safety sales tax

3174
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,000
increase, which here in King

3175
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,000
county, both the city, Seattle

3176
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:44,000
and the county have pushed

3177
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,000
forward on, but we're pretty

3178
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,000
much capped out. So this idea

3179
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:49,000
that we can use continually

3180
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,000
increase the sales tax

3181
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,000
percentage, I think is, is

3182
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,400
something that shouldn't be

3183
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,000
assumed because the, I think at

3184
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,000
this point we're the point

3185
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:00,000
where we're going to have to

3186
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,000
start pushing back and not

3187
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,000
supporting these kinds of

3188
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,000
things because the cumulative

3189
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,000
effect over the years

3190
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,000
of keep adding and adding,

3191
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,000
we're pretty much at a point

3192
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:11,000
now where we can't keep doing

3193
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,000
so and we can't just say, okay,

3194
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,000
this is what we're going

3195
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,000
to do. And this applies

3196
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,000
to us, too. We had a vote

3197
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,000
against it yesterday or two

3198
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:20,000
days ago, and

3199
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,000
for good reason,

3200
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:25,000
and overall it did pass.

3201
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,000
But again, I think we're pretty

3202
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,000
much maxed out. So I put a big

3203
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:30,000
caveat

3204
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,000
on the retail sales tax piece.

3205
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,000
Thank you.

3206
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,000
>> Thank you. Council Member

3207
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,000
Daugherty.

3208
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,000
>> I just need some

3209
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:40,000
clarification

3210
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,000
on the road use discharge. Is

3211
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,000
the road uses charge. If we're

3212
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,000
talking about is it going

3213
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,000
to take the place of, or is it

3214
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:47,000
in addition

3215
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,000
to the current gas tax?

3216
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,000
>> It would be replacement

3217
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,000
because the gas tax will

3218
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,000
eventually decline

3219
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:55,000
to the point of no return. So

3220
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,000
this would not be additive. It

3221
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,000
would be a replacement.

3222
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:59,000
>> And we're not really looking

3223
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,000
for this to happen until

3224
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,000
2035.

3225
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:03,000
>> Correct. Our current plan

3226
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:04,000
assumed maybe starting in

3227
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,000
2030, but given that 2030 is

3228
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,000
going to be four years away

3229
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,000
here pretty soon, and 2035 is

3230
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,000
our interim year, we thought

3231
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:12,000
that that was a bit more

3232
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,000
realistic,

3233
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,000
give us a little bit more time,

3234
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,000
10 years or so before maybe

3235
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,000
implementing that.

3236
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:18,000
>> And I understand this would

3237
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,000
be up to the legislature,

3238
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:20,000
but does that take

3239
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,000
into consideration the bonding

3240
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,400
of the gas tax?

3241
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,000
>> Yes, it does. Yes. Thank

3242
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,000
you.

3243
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,000
>> Thank you, Chair Ralph.

3244
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,000
>> Thank you. I know that the

3245
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,000
retail delivery fee is

3246
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,000
down there

3247
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,000
with a TBD and an na,

3248
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:43,000
but I would be, I would be not

3249
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,000
doing my job if I didn't

3250
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,000
highlight it at Every

3251
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:47,000
opportunity that I can. One

3252
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,000
of the concerns I have with the

3253
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,000
retail delivery fee is because

3254
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,000
of streamlined sales tax. The

3255
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:54,000
change the state made back in

3256
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,000
2008, taking all

3257
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,000
of the sales tax away

3258
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,000
from cities like Kent that have

3259
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,000
the distribution hubs costing

3260
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,000
us money, we're still Kent is

3261
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,000
$20 million

3262
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,000
in the hole because

3263
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,000
of that change. My concern

3264
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,000
with retail delivery fees,

3265
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,000
unless they are somehow divided

3266
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,000
among cities that are providing

3267
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,000
the infrastructure for those

3268
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,000
retail deliveries and the city

3269
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,000
that they are going to,

3270
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,000
it just is a piling on

3271
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,000
of those that are receiving all

3272
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,000
of the revenue are going

3273
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,000
to be receiving more. And those

3274
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:30,000
of us that are providing the

3275
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:31,000
infrastructure so that everyone

3276
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,000
can receive that revenue are

3277
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:34,000
going to get further behind.

3278
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,000
So I just want to highlight

3279
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,000
that and it will not be the

3280
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:40,000
last time that you hear me

3281
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,000
raise that concern

3282
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,000
about the retail delivery fee.

3283
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,000
Thank you.

3284
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:47,000
>> Excuse me, Mr. Chair, can I

3285
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:48,000
offer up a little bit

3286
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,000
of information? We'll be

3287
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,600
sending out to the board the

3288
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:54,000
paper that the study that the

3289
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,000
Joint Transportation Committee

3290
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,000
commissioned a couple

3291
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,000
of years ago. But one thing

3292
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:02,000
in response, Chair Ralph, is

3293
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,000
they looked in particular

3294
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,000
at the two places

3295
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,000
in the country, Colorado and

3296
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:08,000
Minnesota, where a retail

3297
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,000
delivery fee is in effect. And

3298
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,000
just as an example,

3299
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,000
they use factors

3300
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,000
like population, roadway miles,

3301
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,000
vehicle miles traveled,

3302
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,000
equal share distribution.

3303
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:20,000
There are a lot

3304
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,000
of different ways

3305
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:22,000
to address some

3306
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,000
of the inequities in

3307
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:24,000
application that you're

3308
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:25,000
pointing out in terms

3309
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,000
of understanding how to make

3310
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,000
sure that all jurisdictions

3311
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:32,000
actually benefit

3312
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,000
from these types of fees. And

3313
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,000
also there are some limitations

3314
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:37,000
in terms of the

3315
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,000
like they're only,

3316
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,000
I believe it's in Minnesota

3317
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,000
only on purchases that are

3318
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,000
$100 and above and it's a 50

3319
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,000
cent fee. So thanks anyhow.

3320
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:50,000
There's a lot more information

3321
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:51,000
about this,

3322
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:52,000
but we've been thinking about

3323
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,000
the comments that you've been

3324
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,000
making.

3325
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,000
>> I appreciate that. Thank

3326
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,000
you.

3327
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:58,000
>> This might be a good time

3328
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:59,000
since we're

3329
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:00,000
on retail delivery fee.

3330
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,000
Council member Hamilton from

3331
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,000
Bellevue could not attend, but

3332
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:03,000
he also submitted some comments

3333
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,000
specific

3334
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:05,000
to the retail delivery fee.

3335
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,000
And I won't read everything,

3336
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:08,000
but it's really pointing

3337
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,000
out that the needs, especially

3338
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,000
since we talked

3339
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,000
about the needs

3340
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,000
for cities and local transit,

3341
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:14,000
that new or replacement revenue

3342
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,000
sources should be equitable,

3343
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:17,000
less regressive, support

3344
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,000
economic development and

3345
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,000
minimize impacts

3346
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,000
to small businesses. And

3347
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,000
because of that, he, he did not

3348
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,000
endorse the retail delivery

3349
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,000
fee. He thinks that that retail

3350
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:29,000
delivery, he does not meet

3351
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,000
those specific criteria.

3352
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,000
But again in November. So I

3353
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:34,000
wanted to make sure I got that

3354
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,000
on the record. And in November

3355
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,000
we will provide as much more

3356
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,000
information

3357
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,000
to help the conversation

3358
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,000
on each one of these funding

3359
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,000
sources so we can have a

3360
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,000
broader conversation. Thank

3361
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,000
you.

3362
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,000
>> Thank you for that input.

3363
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:47,000
Council member Walker, go

3364
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,000
ahead.

3365
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,000
>> Thank you. Really

3366
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:52,000
appreciating this conversation.

3367
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,000
And I think everyone's

3368
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,000
comments so far have

3369
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:56,000
highlighted how different

3370
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:57,000
jurisdictions utilize different

3371
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,000
tools.

3372
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,000
But I just wanted to make

3373
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:02,000
sure.

3374
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,000
Council member Kettle.

3375
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,000
I don't disagree with you

3376
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,000
on the sales tax piece, but

3377
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,000
in Pierce county we have not

3378
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,000
taken advantage of our entire

3379
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,000
transit sales tax authority and

3380
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,000
so we are eager to do that. So

3381
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:18,000
just making sure that as we

3382
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,000
look at these, we do recognize

3383
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,000
how different each jurisdiction

3384
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,000
is. You know, for that one,

3385
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,000
for example. Maybe Seattle

3386
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:25,000
wouldn't take advantage,

3387
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:26,000
but we would be able to. And

3388
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,600
wondering as we model that how

3389
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:33,000
do we take those sorts

3390
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:34,000
of things into account, sort

3391
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:35,000
of the other factors,

3392
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,000
because it's a great point. We

3393
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,000
have the arts and culture sales

3394
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,000
tax, we have the community

3395
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,000
safety,

3396
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:44,000
law enforcement sales. You

3397
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,000
know, all these pieces are

3398
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:46,000
adding up and it does make a

3399
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,000
huge difference. We can't keep

3400
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:49,000
passing sales tax over and

3401
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,000
over and over again. So how do

3402
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:52,000
we model that

3403
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,400
from the staff perspective?

3404
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,000
>> That is a great question.

3405
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,000
And I'm looking

3406
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,000
to my phone-a-friends next

3407
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,000
to me, I think so. I don't know

3408
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:01,000
that we would model that,

3409
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:02,000
but we can come back. And one

3410
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,000
of the options that Craig

3411
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,000
talked about is we don't need

3412
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:06,000
to apply, particularly

3413
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:07,000
for transit sales tax. We don't

3414
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:08,000
need to apply. Apply the same

3415
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:10,000
assumption for each transit

3416
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,000
agency. I think we have a

3417
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:13,000
massive spreadsheet with

3418
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:15,000
revenue information and I

3419
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,000
believe we have it broken down

3420
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,000
by agency. So one of the

3421
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,000
conversations that the board

3422
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,000
could have is assuming

3423
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,400
different increases per agency

3424
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:27,000
if that was the route that

3425
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,000
would want to go. We could

3426
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:30,000
also, again,

3427
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:31,000
since we are talking about a

3428
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,000
little bit higher level

3429
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:34,000
approach of we're trying to

3430
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,000
identify these are the needs.

3431
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:37,000
Kind of

3432
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:38,000
like the conversation we had

3433
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:39,000
on the climate plan. These are

3434
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:40,000
the needs. What is it going

3435
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,000
to take to get there? So we

3436
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,000
could also craft something

3437
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,000
about, you know,

3438
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,000
a more average increase in

3439
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,000
transit sales tax would be

3440
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,400
necessary to achieve that 2%

3441
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,000
local transit growth that is

3442
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,000
now embedded in transit

3443
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,000
to be that we say we want. And

3444
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:57,000
the details could be worked

3445
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:58,000
out maybe more in this future

3446
01:41:58,000 --> 01:41:59,000
action item or we could have

3447
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,000
more qualitative information

3448
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:02,000
talking about some

3449
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,000
of those challenges. I will go

3450
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,000
out on a limb and ask my

3451
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,000
colleagues, could we come back

3452
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:08,000
with more information

3453
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,000
to council member Kettle's

3454
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:10,000
concern? More information

3455
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,000
on sales tax

3456
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:12,000
in general and how an increase

3457
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,000
to the transit sales Tax would

3458
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,000
impact that.

3459
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,000
>> I was going to say the same

3460
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:17,000
thing, Kelly. My mind was going

3461
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,000
there too as I were, you know,

3462
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,000
here I was fixated

3463
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,000
on the transit sales tax piece.

3464
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,000
But and it makes a lot of sense

3465
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,000
is that we should actually show

3466
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:26,000
what once it gets added

3467
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:28,000
with everything else,

3468
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:29,000
if you end up

3469
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,000
with a 15% sales tax,

3470
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:33,000
it's getting really hard.

3471
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,000
Right. And so, and we see those

3472
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,000
differences where some places

3473
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,000
it's already 10.5% once you add

3474
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,000
in everybody. So I think that

3475
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:41,000
would be really helpful and we

3476
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,000
could definitely do that.

3477
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:44,000
We'll have to find a good way

3478
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,000
to do it because I know it.

3479
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,000
It varies a lot places

3480
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:49,000
but we can find a way to try

3481
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:50,000
to highlight that

3482
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:51,000
at a higher level.

3483
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:52,000
>> So we understand it maybe

3484
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:53,000
based on some of the

3485
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,000
conversations we're hearing

3486
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,000
here, it maybe rising raising

3487
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:59,000
the folks that aren't

3488
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:00,000
to the level that others are,

3489
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,000
you know, to,

3490
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,000
to an even playing field. So

3491
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,000
there's invest similar

3492
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:07,000
investments

3493
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:09,000
in all communities.

3494
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,400
>> Brady delang, go ahead.

3495
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:18,000
>> Oh, sorry about that. My

3496
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,000
camera is not working. Okay,

3497
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:21,000
well thank you, Mr. Chair. So I

3498
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,000
just wanted to quickly share

3499
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:24,000
some information

3500
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:25,000
with this group as it relates

3501
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,000
to the retail delivery fee.

3502
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:28,000
During my time at AWC,

3503
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:31,000
we worked with the JTC

3504
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,000
to spearhead this concept

3505
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,000
around the retail delivery fee

3506
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:36,000
specifically

3507
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:38,000
with the intention

3508
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,000
of having a distribution

3509
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,000
between cities and counties.

3510
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:42,000
And one thing I would just

3511
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,000
share with staff

3512
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,000
at PRC is that we also. PSRC,

3513
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:49,000
excuse me, my dyslexia. We

3514
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,000
asked the GTC to come up

3515
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,000
with a mechanism, a tool

3516
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:57,000
to help kind of demonstrate

3517
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:00,000
different distribution levels

3518
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,000
among cities and counties, but

3519
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,000
with the intent of a direct

3520
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:04,000
distribution specifically

3521
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,000
to local governments,

3522
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:07,000
regardless of location,

3523
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,000
regardless of direct impact.

3524
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,000
So part of that is intended

3525
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,000
to really kind

3526
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:14,000
of offset some the, of the

3527
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,000
potential impacts. I think

3528
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:18,000
there's a lot of flexibility

3529
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,000
in how you might change some of

3530
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,000
that distribution and how you

3531
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,000
might kind

3532
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:24,000
of adjust specifically

3533
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,000
for infrastructure impacts or,

3534
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:27,000
you know, kind of other

3535
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,000
elements. I think that some

3536
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:30,000
of the staff that still is

3537
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,000
at AWC might be talking

3538
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:33,000
about this. So I would

3539
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,000
encourage you to work

3540
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,000
with them and to chat

3541
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,000
with them about some of the

3542
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:38,000
different opportunities that

3543
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,000
create could be on the table

3544
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:42,000
in the future related

3545
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,000
to how this,

3546
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:45,000
this tool might work. The other

3547
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:46,000
thing I'll just quickly note

3548
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:47,000
too is that the different,

3549
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:48,000
the distinctions between

3550
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,000
Colorado and Minnesota

3551
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,000
in particular, Minnesota's fee

3552
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,000
really was directed

3553
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:57,000
specifically

3554
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,000
at local governments, but

3555
01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,000
with a lot of caveats. So they

3556
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,000
wound up generating far less

3557
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,000
revenue than Colorado's.

3558
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:05,000
Conversely, Colorado went back

3559
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,000
to a year or two later

3560
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,000
to adjust some

3561
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,000
of the impacts. So equally,

3562
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:10,000
we took that into account and

3563
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,000
with the mechanism,

3564
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,000
the tool that we created

3565
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:14,000
in conjunction with JTC,

3566
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:15,000
you can adjust for some

3567
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:16,000
of these,

3568
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:17,000
like clear distinctions

3569
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:19,000
on impacts to businesses,

3570
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,000
impacts to infrastructure,

3571
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:23,000
and kind of the categorical or

3572
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,400
sequential elements that folks

3573
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:28,000
might want to try to address as

3574
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,000
you're creating policy

3575
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,000
to implement,

3576
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,000
implement something

3577
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:34,000
like this. So I would be happy

3578
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,000
to chat

3579
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:36,000
with folks a little bit more

3580
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:37,000
about the work that we did or

3581
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:38,000
put you in contact with the

3582
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:39,000
folks. I think they're kind

3583
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:40,000
of carrying on this torch,

3584
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,000
if you're so interested.

3585
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:42,000
But I just wanted

3586
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,000
to share a little background

3587
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,000
since I was

3588
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,000
on this call and frankly, kind

3589
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,000
of created the mess, so

3590
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,000
to speak.

3591
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,000
>> Thank you, Brandy. We will

3592
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,000
definitely reach out. Thanks

3593
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,000
for that.

3594
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,000
>> And Council Member Jacob

3595
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:57,000
Walker.

3596
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,000
>> Thank you. Had we got any

3597
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:01,000
indication last year or is

3598
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,000
there any idea going

3599
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,000
into the next session about how

3600
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:07,000
that gas tax distribution may

3601
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,000
change or may not change at all

3602
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,600
if the ROC charge is adopted?

3603
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:16,000
>> That is a great question.

3604
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,000
I'm looking to bend to see if

3605
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,000
you have more details. I know

3606
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:20,000
that when we incorporated

3607
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:22,000
assumptions

3608
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:23,000
about a road usage charge

3609
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:24,000
in our core current plan, we

3610
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,000
very much were assuming and

3611
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,000
basically stating that the

3612
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,000
distribution needed

3613
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,000
to be broadened to be able

3614
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:32,000
to fund multimodal investments,

3615
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,000
but. Ben, do you have a better

3616
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,000
answer to that?

3617
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,000
>> I don't recall exactly. I

3618
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:39,000
don't remember there being a

3619
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:40,000
lot of discussion

3620
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:41,000
on any changes

3621
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:43,000
of the formula distribution of

3622
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,000
the existing gas tax. I mean,

3623
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,000
of THE RUC. It would replicate

3624
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,000
the same distribution

3625
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,000
percentages as the current gas

3626
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,000
tax. That's my recollection.

3627
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,000
>> Thank you.

3628
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,000
I just want to,

3629
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:00,000
I know we just voted on, on

3630
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,000
to be, but just going

3631
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,000
through this presentation,

3632
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,000
again, being newer

3633
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,000
to the board,

3634
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:09,000
but having always dealt with it

3635
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:12,000
as a taxpayer. I'm starting

3636
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:16,000
to have a curiosity if, if the

3637
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,000
revenue gap that we're trying

3638
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,000
to address is more

3639
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:23,000
of a reminder of our need

3640
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:26,000
to kind of reconsider our

3641
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:27,000
spending expectations or

3642
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,400
resource expectations. I think

3643
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,000
that obviously we all want to

3644
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:37,000
make sure that we're ensuring

3645
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,000
safety and keeping our

3646
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,000
commitments realistic.

3647
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,000
But I'm just starting to wonder

3648
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,000
if the shortfall is not a

3649
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,000
revenue problem but more of a

3650
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:48,000
spending expectation problem.

3651
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:51,000
So I just wanted to throw that

3652
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,000
out there. Thank you guys.

3653
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:57,000
>> Appreciate that input.

3654
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:59,000
>> Councilman Schneider.

3655
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:03,000
>> Thank you. I appreciate it.

3656
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:07,000
So I in general am, you know,

3657
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,000
very interested in the Ruchy

3658
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:11,000
and remembering back

3659
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:13,000
to that being one

3660
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,000
of the major levers that we

3661
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:17,000
have for reducing Miles

3662
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:18,000
traveled and you know,

3663
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:19,000
our getting

3664
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:20,000
to our climate action goals,

3665
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,000
I'm wondering if it is

3666
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,400
considered, is it regressive?

3667
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,000
In other words, based on,

3668
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,000
based on the comment that we

3669
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,000
heard earlier today

3670
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:33,000
about displaced workers, you

3671
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:34,000
know,

3672
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:35,000
leaving the cities and having

3673
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:36,000
to travel further to get

3674
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,600
to jobs, is it sort of,

3675
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,000
is it going to be sort

3676
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:45,000
of more punitive

3677
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:48,000
for folks who, you know,

3678
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:51,000
are traveling for work in that

3679
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,000
way that are lower income?

3680
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:54,000
It's a great question and

3681
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:55,000
again, I'll ask Ben to help me

3682
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:57,000
out here. I think that the

3683
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:58,000
commission has done some really

3684
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,000
great work showing that the gas

3685
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:03,000
tax is actually more regressive

3686
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,000
than the RUC, that the RUC

3687
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:06,000
could be set up either to, you

3688
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:08,000
know, things could be built

3689
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:09,000
in related

3690
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,000
to low income provisions,

3691
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:12,000
for example, but also just

3692
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:14,000
recognizing the gas tax,

3693
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,000
I'm going to fumble my way

3694
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:17,000
through this. So correct me if

3695
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,000
I get it wrong. The gas tax is

3696
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:20,000
set up that everybody pays the

3697
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,000
same regardless of, of the, the

3698
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:24,000
vehicle that they drive and a

3699
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,000
road usage charge. It is really

3700
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:27,000
based on how much you drive and

3701
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,000
provisions could be built in.

3702
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:30,000
That takes into account,

3703
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,000
I think that,

3704
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:32,000
I think the argument was, or

3705
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,000
the, or the explanation was

3706
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:35,000
that they would actually be

3707
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:36,000
paying less in a road usage

3708
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,000
charge than they would

3709
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,000
under the gas tax.

3710
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:40,000
But I probably fumbled that.

3711
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:41,000
So Ben, help me out.

3712
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:42,000
>> I think you covered it well.

3713
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,000
Kelly, one

3714
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:44,000
of our assumptions,

3715
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:45,000
we've had an assumption

3716
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:46,000
about having a RUC

3717
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:47,000
in the future in the region

3718
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,000
in the last couple

3719
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:50,000
of plans that we've adopted.

3720
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,000
And the assumption has been

3721
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,000
that you could design

3722
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,000
implementation of Iraq

3723
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:56,000
to address many of the equity

3724
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:57,000
concerns that people have

3725
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:59,000
raised in terms of is does

3726
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,000
somebody actually have any sort

3727
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,000
of alternatives to driving?

3728
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:07,000
Does the nature of say, the

3729
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,000
work that they're doing or the

3730
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,000
reason for the trip, say

3731
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:15,000
for deliveries and so forth,

3732
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,000
you have to drive in order to

3733
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,000
actually accomplish that work.

3734
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:21,000
So it's all in the details

3735
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:22,000
in terms of how these are

3736
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,000
designed and implemented. But

3737
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,000
the assumption has been that we

3738
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:26,000
can do that and we can look at,

3739
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,000
as the rep

3740
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,000
from FEMSIB was saying

3741
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:32,000
about the, the retail delivery

3742
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,000
fee, that you can look

3743
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,000
at impacts

3744
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:36,000
to small businesses,

3745
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,000
you can look at impacts

3746
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:39,000
in different parts

3747
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:40,000
of the region and it will be,

3748
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:41,000
have to, have to be very,

3749
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:42,000
very carefully designed.

3750
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,000
But you know, entering into it

3751
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:45,000
with eyes wide open is really

3752
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,000
the approach we should take.

3753
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,600
>> So given that, I think that,

3754
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,000
and also given that we're

3755
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,000
looking 10 years out,

3756
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:59,200
we should go big on, you know,

3757
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,000
it's going to take a long time

3758
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,000
for the culture to sort of

3759
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,000
shift and appreciate that this

3760
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:07,000
is a necessary direction. And

3761
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,000
then of course,

3762
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:10,000
the all the techie problems on

3763
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,000
collecting revenue and so

3764
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,000
forth. But I think we should,

3765
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,000
you know, we should go

3766
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,000
at least moderate if, if not

3767
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,600
higher, as with at the same

3768
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:25,000
time promoting this as a much

3769
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:27,000
more socially just way of

3770
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,000
collecting the necessary

3771
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,000
revenue for the roads and also

3772
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,000
towards our climate goals.

3773
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:37,000
Let's not negotiate

3774
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,000
against ourselves. Thank you.

3775
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:42,000
>> All right. Sake

3776
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:43,000
of time here. We're getting

3777
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:44,000
close to the end

3778
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:45,000
of our meeting time and I'm

3779
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:46,000
at a, I'm going to call on

3780
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:47,000
Council Members Arlingo and

3781
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:48,000
then I'm going to go to

3782
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,000
Deputy Mayor Arnold

3783
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:51,000
after that and then we're going

3784
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:52,000
to move on. Go ahead, Council

3785
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,000
member.

3786
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:55,000
>> Yeah, I'll make this quick.

3787
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,000
>> Is it fair to assume that

3788
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:58,000
the road usage charge could be

3789
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,000
based on road wear and vehicle

3790
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:02,000
weight? It could definitely be

3791
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:07,000
based on vehicle weight,

3792
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:09,000
for sure. I mean,

3793
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:10,000
it all depends

3794
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:11,000
on how you collect it. It could

3795
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,000
be an odometer read when you

3796
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:15,000
submit your registration where

3797
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,000
you could do that. And it could

3798
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:18,000
incorporate vehicle weight,

3799
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,000
could be higher. So, yeah,

3800
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,000
there's lots of opportunities.

3801
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:24,000
I'm not sure the,

3802
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:26,000
the road wear one, I,

3803
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,000
if it was tied to the,

3804
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:28,000
the weight of the vehicle,

3805
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:29,000
I guess I could see that.

3806
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:31,000
But otherwise, I'm not sure if

3807
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:32,000
I'm following that one as

3808
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:33,000
closely. But there's lots of

3809
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,000
details that you could

3810
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:36,000
definitely get into with a

3811
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:37,000
reducer's charge that differ

3812
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:39,000
from, say, the gas tax. You

3813
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,000
definitely have a lot

3814
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:42,000
of options.

3815
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:43,000
>> Thanks. Go ahead. Deputy

3816
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:44,000
Mayor Arlen

3817
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:45,000
>> Thank you. And I hope we

3818
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:46,000
capture a lot

3819
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,000
of these policy discussions

3820
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,000
in the RTP for future

3821
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:51,000
consideration and

3822
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,000
implementation. To Council

3823
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:55,000
Member Schneider's point, you

3824
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:55,528
know, philosophically I think

3825
01:52:55,528 --> 01:52:56,682
there's really opportunities

3826
01:52:56,682 --> 01:52:58,798
with the road usage charge,

3827
01:52:58,798 --> 01:53:00,205
but I want to be realistic.

3828
01:53:00,205 --> 01:53:01,190
As Ben has mentioned,

3829
01:53:01,190 --> 01:53:02,830
we've had this in the plan with

3830
01:53:02,830 --> 01:53:04,850
some assumptions that said the

3831
01:53:04,850 --> 01:53:06,780
legislature was going to act

3832
01:53:06,780 --> 01:53:07,760
and the legislature is going

3833
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:08,455
to act, and it hasn't up

3834
01:53:08,455 --> 01:53:10,507
to this point. And so I think

3835
01:53:10,507 --> 01:53:11,843
we need to be realistic. And I

3836
01:53:11,843 --> 01:53:14,301
like the idea of what staff has

3837
01:53:14,301 --> 01:53:15,532
put up here as being super

3838
01:53:15,532 --> 01:53:17,532
conservative because the

3839
01:53:18,332 --> 01:53:19,285
assumptions we made

3840
01:53:19,285 --> 01:53:20,550
in previous plans

3841
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:21,851
about the legislature starting

3842
01:53:21,851 --> 01:53:23,900
to put the road usage

3843
01:53:23,900 --> 01:53:24,245
charge in place

3844
01:53:24,245 --> 01:53:25,521
haven't happened. And

3845
01:53:25,521 --> 01:53:26,487
so I'm concerned

3846
01:53:26,487 --> 01:53:28,000
about doing anything at a

3847
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:29,100
higher level or doing anything

3848
01:53:29,100 --> 01:53:31,100
earlier than 2035.

3849
01:53:31,100 --> 01:53:33,100
>> Good point.

3850
01:53:34,100 --> 01:53:36,100
>> All right, we. We're going

3851
01:53:36,100 --> 01:53:38,100
to move on now

3852
01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:39,100
to information items. And

3853
01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:40,100
unless you have anything else

3854
01:53:40,100 --> 01:53:41,100
to wrap

3855
01:53:41,100 --> 01:53:42,100
on this.

3856
01:53:42,100 --> 01:53:43,100
>> [ INAUDIBLE ] to close out,

3857
01:53:43,100 --> 01:53:44,100
thank you for that. And I think

3858
01:53:44,100 --> 01:53:45,100
I'm looking to my colleagues

3859
01:53:45,100 --> 01:53:46,100
got a little bit

3860
01:53:46,100 --> 01:53:48,100
of a mixed message. So I think

3861
01:53:48,100 --> 01:53:49,100
what we could do is maybe let's

3862
01:53:49,100 --> 01:53:52,100
run both we'll we'll and come

3863
01:53:52,100 --> 01:53:54,100
back with that information. So

3864
01:53:54,100 --> 01:53:57,100
we have scenario 2B already

3865
01:53:57,100 --> 01:53:59,100
kind of modeled as is. We'll

3866
01:53:59,100 --> 01:54:01,100
work under the assumption that

3867
01:54:01,100 --> 01:54:02,100
the draft plan would include a

3868
01:54:02,100 --> 01:54:03,100
state level rough beginning

3869
01:54:03,100 --> 01:54:04,100
in 2035.

3870
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:05,100
But we we're not going to

3871
01:54:05,100 --> 01:54:06,100
release the plan so maybe we

3872
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:08,100
run that and then

3873
01:54:08,100 --> 01:54:09,100
but we'll talk about it more

3874
01:54:09,100 --> 01:54:10,100
in November and see we'll be

3875
01:54:10,100 --> 01:54:12,100
ready for both. If I'm not

3876
01:54:12,100 --> 01:54:13,100
gonna if Craig might want

3877
01:54:13,100 --> 01:54:15,100
to smack me right now but we'll

3878
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:16,100
give you a little bit more time

3879
01:54:16,100 --> 01:54:18,100
to and we'll come back with

3880
01:54:18,100 --> 01:54:19,100
that information because there

3881
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:20,100
will be and again as Craig

3882
01:54:20,100 --> 01:54:22,100
mentioned the reason that we

3883
01:54:22,100 --> 01:54:24,100
need this is there that will

3884
01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:25,100
definitely impact demand. So we

3885
01:54:25,100 --> 01:54:27,100
want to make sure that we

3886
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:28,100
capture that. So we already

3887
01:54:28,100 --> 01:54:29,100
have one run if we go ahead and

3888
01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:30,100
assume it and we run it.

3889
01:54:30,100 --> 01:54:31,100
But we'll come back in

3890
01:54:31,100 --> 01:54:32,100
November and there will still

3891
01:54:32,100 --> 01:54:33,100
be if you if you want

3892
01:54:33,100 --> 01:54:34,100
to pull us back,

3893
01:54:34,100 --> 01:54:35,100
we'll still have time

3894
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:38,100
to do that. Thank you.

3895
01:54:38,100 --> 01:54:39,100
>> All right. And what do you

3896
01:54:39,100 --> 01:54:40,100
have to share

3897
01:54:40,100 --> 01:54:42,401
on the information items?

3898
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:47,100
>> Just our ongoing work work

3899
01:54:47,100 --> 01:54:49,100
program progress tracker. So

3900
01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:50,100
things still outside of the RTP

3901
01:54:50,100 --> 01:54:52,100
things still keep moving

3902
01:54:52,100 --> 01:54:54,100
forward. So nothing nothing new

3903
01:54:54,100 --> 01:54:56,100
to report on that.

3904
01:54:56,100 --> 01:54:59,100
>> Okay, with that we our next

3905
01:54:59,100 --> 01:55:01,401
meeting date is Thursday

3906
01:55:03,100 --> 01:55:04,100
November 13th and hope to see

3907
01:55:04,100 --> 01:55:05,100
you all here that our meeting

3908
01:55:05,100 --> 01:55:07,100
is adjourned.