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At this time, we're going to open the public meeting. 356 South McCulloch Boulevard, suite 103.

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The time is 5.30. Katrina, could you please call roll?

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Good evening, President Madero. Good evening, fellow members of the board, calling roll.

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Director Mahaney.

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Here.

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Director Vickers.

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Present.

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President Madero.

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Here.

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Director Perl.

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Here.

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Director Axworthy.

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Here.

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Thank you.

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At this time, I'll go ahead and entertain a motion to approve the agenda.

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I make a motion to approve the agenda can I get a second second all those in favor

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I opposed motion carries the public hearing is now open Katrina do we have

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any comments we do not have any in-person comments but we do have one who

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has emailed us if I can go ahead and read that off yes this comment came in

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from Dina McCracken. She starts with number one, what happens each year to the estimated

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ending fund balance for each department? For example, according to the Pueblo West Metro

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District Financials for the 2023 proposed budget, the Water Enterprise Fund had an estimated 2022

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ending fund balance of $41,307,090. And this year, the estimated 2023 ending fund balance

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is $28,724,199. However, in the 2024 proposed budget, the estimated 2023 use of fund balance

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is $0. Please explain. Number two, most departments are charged a utility fee for quote unquote water,

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yet some of these departments don't seem to have landscaping, lawns, and or areas that need to be

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watered. So why are they being charged this utility fee? It ranges from $500 per year for

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Community and Neighborhood Development Fund, $32,500 for Waste Water Fund, to over $300,000

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for Water Fund.

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Yet the Swimming Pool Fund is charged a water utility fee, and the Parks and Recreation

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Department only pays a $15,000 water utility fee.

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Number three, you've added additional personnel costs to the General Fund for the additional

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staff required for the new fire station, yet these funds should be allocated to the

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Fire Sales Tax Fund until which time Tabor expires, then they can be rolled over

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to existing funds. Remember the citizens approved the sales tax increase to fund personnel associated

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with staff in the new fire station in addition to building it. We the citizens did not approve

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of increasing the general fund to pay for these additional personnel costs associated with it. Do

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not place this expense in the general fund.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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So somebody going to address

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those?

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Mike's off. I just just said is somebody gonna answer those from the

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budget committee? You'd like to answer those? No, I said somebody. He said Joe's on the committee. I thought you wanted to answer them. I thought this was just a hearing to get

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response from the public do we respond to it now there's quite a few so I can try

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to answer individually now can you can you answer what you can but step up to

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the mic if there's

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ones that require some some time to put together nuts okay

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Okay, so start with the first one, would you?

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So the first question was what happens each year to the estimated ending fund balance for

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each department?

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Now remember that's an estimated fund balance.

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So the difference between estimated and actual could be quite a big difference.

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So we always start each new budget year with the previous year's actual fund balance

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And then we work our way down to the new estimated fund balance, for example, 2024.

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So like I said, we start with the 2022 actual fund balance, then we add estimated revenue

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for 2023 and estimated expenses for 2023 to start building the 2024 budget.

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The second question was, most departments are charged the utility fee for water, yet

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Some of these departments don't seem to have landscaping lawns and are areas that need to be watered.

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So why are they being charged this utility fee?

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Okay. I don't know what is being referenced there when they talk about a utility fee.

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Every fund or every department is charged a water fee.

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I mean a water bill, they're built so they pay a water billing for consumption.

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question. Miss McCracken when she references quotes water, she says that they're charged

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a utility fee for quote water and she references a $500 per year fee for or charge for community

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and neighborhood development fund, $32,500 for wastewater fund and over $300,000 for

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the water fund. Okay. And then she also mentioned swimming pools, didn't she? She says yet

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the swimming pool fund is charged a water utility fee and the parks and recreation

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apartment only pays a $15,000 water utility fee.

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Okay, I need a little bit

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more information to answer that question because I don't see it. Yeah, I'm not

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familiar with a utility fee. Yeah, I'm not either, so I would need a little bit more detail.

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Jim, do you have any idea?

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We can also follow up with Ms. McCracken and get some clarification, see what the reference is, and then probably provide a response after some research.

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Yeah. I have a question. She mentioned a $300,000 fee for the water plant. What's that entail?

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What kind of consumption?

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Not from usage though.

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We just need a little bit more information

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so we could drill down to what she's referencing.

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To some clarification, Ms. McCracken.

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The last item she references, she states,

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you've added additional personnel costs to the general fund

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for the additional staff required for the new fire station.

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Yet these funds should be allocated to the fire sales tax

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fund until which time Tabor expires,

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then they can be rolled over to existing funds.

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Remember, the citizens approve the sales tax increase

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to fund personnel associated with staffing the new fire

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station in addition to building it.

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We the citizens did not approve of increasing the general fund to pay for these additional personnel costs associated with it

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Do not place this this expense in the general fund

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As far as

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Authorized positions

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We do have authorized positions in the general fund for fire staff and we have

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Authorized positions in the fire sales tax fund

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The fire sales tax fund is actually funding 21

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fire staff fire department employees. And those are new, correct? They're not new.

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From the six from the 6A. Yeah, they're not new though because we had them in

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last year's budget. I believe there was a difference in a little bit of the

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distribution where we added, I think we added six to the fire sales tax fund

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if I remember correctly. I think we yeah there's six new positions that are

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Firefighter EMT positions 2024. I'll clarify. I think a little bit of the concern there has been where do we eat these costs?

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Whether it's general fund or fire sales tax fund going forward. There's nothing saying that

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Requirement, you know, whether it's proof of general fund or fire sales tax

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I know our concern there is generally that any new positions would be on the 6a side rather than the general fund side

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But there's no no prescriptive right not to be able to put them on general fund

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And what we're concerned about and why we have kind of come to that conclusion and preparing

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the budget that way is that fire sales tax is not permanent.

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It is something that will have a sunset date.

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So we have to do our due diligence whenever we're talking about staffing up or having equipment

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facilities to be able to do that work.

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We have to be able to be planning and prepared for the potential reality that we will

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not have the fire sales tax.

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So if that sunsets, how do we maintain what we need to go forward?

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So that's just a different way of doing it.

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nothing necessarily incorrect of what she would be asking for nor how we did it

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and prepared it this way but there is a difference in style.

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Can I clarify that

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any further?

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again if Mrs. McCracken would like additional

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information if she could just send us another note we'd be glad to clarify it.

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Thank you. I have no further comments.

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I guess we'll be moving on to board

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member and district manager closing comments for the public hearing. I'll start with Christian.

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None further from me thank you. Director Axworthy.

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None for me other than that you know we we had several meetings to put together this budget

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and it was a collaborative collaborative effort and I think it went really well this year.

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Vice President Perl. I have no comments. I want to thank everybody for the work they've done

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including our board members and our staff. The work you do every year on the budget I know

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It's a liberalist task.

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Seems like we've really done a good job this year.

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We're under green.

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I like that, so that's all I got.

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Mr. Fickers?

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I know I just thank the committees

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and the board for working on this.

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I am glad to hear that we are looking at the future

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for not having the 6A because there could be quite

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an impact if it happens all at once, so thank you.

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Director Mahaney?

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the number what was the number that she quoted 300 something for the bill for the

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water department she indicated 32,500 for wastewater and three over 300,000 for

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the water fund yeah under the water fund that

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shows an account for 2920 802

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water last year 323460 that was audited and budgeted the same amount and this

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year we're looking at 325,000 now

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that's just for the water utilities as I

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recall we at one time we used an awful lot of water the sampling stuff but now

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that goes back into the system so that's not a consumptive use it's

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not even a use. It's just a flow past the meter.

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Anyway, that's, that appears to be

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what she's talking about. Now

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I had a couple of questions. On the water, let's see where,

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I don't remember exactly, under water expenses, I expected to see a million

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125,000 for the lease for water from Pueblo Water Board. Did we drop that lease or is that

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I couldn't find it any place doesn't show up

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And it includes the dollars that we come upon, the valuable water rights that we go ahead and purchase that.

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So, that's what those dollars are in there for.

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Yeah, that's account number, or GL code, 20TAC410TAC7425.

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Same page as that, 325,000 with reference, I believe.

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Just above it.

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okay that's so that's carried like it's a purchase of a water right no I'm at the

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the Board of Water Works lease that's it should be an expense every year that's

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that's contained in that figure

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So 3.6 isn't just for potential future water rights. Within that 3.6 is the water board lease.

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Well, I guess my confusion is when we buy Twin Lakes shutters, that's a capital expense. We're buying something.

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It's been a recent discussion go ahead

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Seemed like there's quite a difference between

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leasing water on a yearly basis and buying a water right or buying shares in something that is a

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Permanent asset leasing water from the board of water works is not a permanent asset

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It's an annual lease.

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It's all it is, and it shouldn't be thrown together, in my opinion.

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Possibly in the future we could break those out within that same tab.

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If I'm correct in stating this that due to the auditor's recommendation or sort of practice

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that is captured in the operating expense rather than capital because it's an intangible asset

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and because also it's an enterprise fund or is that anything?

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So accounting quickly say it because it expires too quickly. You can't appreciate it

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So it probably will continue to appear in the operating expenses, but in the future we probably break it out

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So you see the separation between here is the least portion of that and here is for future water rights

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would make more sense to me fair enough

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small. This is a thing with me. Every time I drive down industrial at 109, I look over

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there and I say, that building's still there. And there's people occupying it and fixing

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it up. And yet in this budget, it says that building was completely destroyed. Why do we

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keep using that kind of terminology? It isn't completely destroyed.

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well yes we sold it but it was not destroyed now for what we got for it I

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will admit it should have been considered destroyed we got a hundred and

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five thousand dollars for five acres in the building and water tap and a sewer

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tap but the building was not destroyed did

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we say it was destroyed somewhere

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yes I thought it was on page eight but I'm not sure I'm now this takes a long

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time you know I'm I wasn't here at the time but what I'm thinking is that the

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insurance company said that we couldn't occupy that building it was condemned

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and that we said you know buyer here's this condemned building would you

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like to purchase it and the selling price I believe was 99,000 so

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we didn't

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occupy the building so whatever the owner the new owner is doing with it we

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have no control over that. My point being why do we keep saying the building was

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destroyed it was not destroyed. Director Mania.

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I'm just looking to see if it

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says destroyed anywhere if you find it please let me know what I have been

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able to find is on our hit page 18 we state that on March 13th 2019 the

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facility suffered a total loss during a sphere bomb cyclone weather event now I

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don't know if total loss is just the insurance term for it if that's the

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apical one then that's the apple one but if you find the other part if you let

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us know we'll take a look at it

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oh the other thing I wondered about I guess

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we've decided for this budget proposed we're going to give a 4% cost of

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living increase across the board.

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Does that require board action?

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That was approved or presented in the proposed budget.

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And here we are for discussion.

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Is that the consensus of the board that we go back

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and change that?

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I mean, we have had no indication

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that we should pull that out of the budget.

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So when we approve the budget, that would include that?

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Yeah, I think the accurate way to say is we presented the budget the proposed budget with that 4% increase

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And it's up to you to decide whether you want to prove it in the budget with that in it.

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That's all I had. Thank you

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Thank you. I

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Have no comments except for thank you to staff and everybody that worked on this budget committee

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appreciate all your hard work

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Anybody have anything else I'd like to add to the public hearing? Questions? All

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right,

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this time I'd ask for a motion to adjourn the public hearing. So moved. Take a 10-minute

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break. Second. And then go into the regular meeting. It's been moved in second. All those

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in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. We're out of the public house.

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The time is six o'clock.

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I'll go ahead and ask Katrina to take roll, please.

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Good evening. Again, President Madero, fellow members of the board calling roll.

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Director Mahaney. President.

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Director Vickers.

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Present.

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President Madero.

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Here.

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Director Perl.

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Here.

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Director Axworthy.

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Here.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Invocation.

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Brother Bob couldn't make it tonight, so if everybody could bow their heads

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and just have a silent prayer.

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Thank

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you everybody. Next we'll go on to the Pledge of Allegiance. Christian, would you please lead us to

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the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you Christian want

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to item E approval of the agenda can I get a motion

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can I get a second second it's been moved in seconded all those in favor I

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opposed motion carries moving on to citizens comments do we have any online

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we do not have any online thank you citizens comments first up we got

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Rodney Thompson if you would come up to the

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Okay, so you don't want to in the okay

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We got Samuel parole

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Step up and state your name and address and I'll start the timer

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Sam parole 32 jib Sam way Pueblo West

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Long long time resident been a member of the business community here in Pueblo West since 2007

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I wanted to come up here and publicly thank all of the public West Metro district staff and applaud them

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As I continue to work more and more and more hand-in-hand with them whether it be

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Calling the water department on the water bill had the pleasure of meeting with Jim recently

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Have multiple meetings with Christian brandy everybody Jessica

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uh you guys have an incredible group of people um and Pueblo West has an incredible group of people

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so thank you thank you thank you directors

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comments i'll start with joe

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sam since you're here are you our landlord at 63 spalding say

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am i your landlord at 63 spalding

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Yes. Yes. I'm the sole member of DGP 63 LLC. Yes, I am.

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Have you ever considered selling that piece of property to the district?

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The reason I'm interested in that, if we owned that property, we wouldn't have to pay sales tax.

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But my paying rent, in effect, are not sales tax property tax.

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In effect, the rent reflects property tax.

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Have I ever considered selling that property? Would you that is that the question?

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Would you consider?

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Yes, I would in recent meetings

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I have given information on a number that I would potentially accept if

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Pueblo West Metro district would want to put in a purchase contract. Yes, I

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Have not received a letter of intent or a contract to purchase that property at this point in time though

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I was reading through the original lease that the old lease that we I guess that we're still under and

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It had a

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Opportunity to buy in it the new one didn't appear to have that is there a reason for that?

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Yes, the first one through negotiation with staff attorney at the time Harley and district manager Nina

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We essentially had 98% of everything done

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at the 11th hour. Harley asked that to be put in in hindsight. I should not have done that,

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but I didn't object at that point in time. So, yes, there was from the 2020 to the expiring

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1231 of 2023. Yes, there is a first writer refusal for purchase to now tenant Pub West

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Metro district yes would you be against having that in the renewal lease that

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we're going to approve yes I would be against that it's not in the renewal

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lease no why would you be against it that doesn't mean you can't buy the

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building from me if you want to you can still buy the building from me if you

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would like to and if you would want to put in a contract for purchase I would

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go over that but to give publicist Metro district a continued first writer or

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refusal. In my side of this, there's not necessarily consideration for that. There was not consideration

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for that. There was not an increased lease, rental payment in the beginning. It was a 11th

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hour throw in. I should have declined it then, and I didn't. The new lease that will be

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presented in front of you does not have a first rider refusal in it.

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okay that's my questions thank you I don't have any I don't have any at this

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time

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I don't

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have any comments I just got a statement that I'd like to read but I'm

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going to pass out some stuff to the board members real quick I

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apologize to

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everyone for not being at the last meeting as I was very ill that night

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It appears I missed quite the meeting.

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On August 28th, an action item, J3, the board voted unanimously 5-0 to approve the updated

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DM position description as written.

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On October 23rd, it was brought back during a presentation and re-voted on during the

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presentation for specific reason of DM residency.

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see. What concerns me is that if a board member or members had these issues and concerns,

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why wasn't it brought to the attention of the whole board back in August? With that

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being said, I think bringing it up to revoke when that wasn't the intent of the item

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is a real tragedy and very disappointing. Let me explain. At the June 26th meeting

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this year, I heard a board member say in public session that an SDA conference he attended,

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the best takeaway was when Ann Terry, the SDA director, spoke about board unity and cohesiveness

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and how boards are made up of five members and it only takes three members to carry a vote.

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He stated that a board member, as a board member, you may not always be on the winning

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side of a vote and how important it is to get on board with the majority.

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party. Move on and work as a team. What surprises me is that I thought we had done that when

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we voted in August 5-0. Yet here we are again voting on things that we're already decided

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on. We're at a real crossroads here. Isn't this the same thing that happened with the

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fire truck? Was I not chastised for that? Why is it okay for certain board members

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to do that. I'm also convinced that certain board members have issues with

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other board members personally and feel the need to speak at board meetings

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without first talking to the board members they have an issue with and

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asking those questions and getting all the facts. We have citizens coming and

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speaking at the podium that seem to be planted by board members. One of the

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most challenging challenging things I've dealt with since becoming

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president is trying to work cohesively with board members who have personal

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vendettas and blinders on. I personally looked into the issues of 63

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spalding that continue to be brought up time and time again and I shared with

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you guys the facts on my findings with the packet I gave you and ask now that

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you have all the facts can you please lay this to rest or professionally

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voice your concerns now. We need to work together and put our feelings aside and

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emotions to the side so we can do what we're voted to do. That's to serve this

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district and be a voice for the people. We have to do better. Let's quit the

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crap and get back to work. That's all I have.

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Now we'll move on to special

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presentations. First one is discussion on water rate study and procedures for

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for approving rates presented by Jim Blazing.

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Thank you, President Madero, members of the Board,

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Jim Blazing, Director of Utilities.

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What we have in front of you is our rates

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that we are looking to go into 2024 with

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based off our financial consulting services FCS group.

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The title of this says Water Rate Study

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and Procedure for Approving Rates.

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We, if you could get to the first page please.

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We threw out a procedure for the Board to review, and we'll do this first if it's okay.

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Board discussion of potential rate adjustments, that's what we're doing now.

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The public notice of the rate hearing, the public rate hearing, December 11th.

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the Board of Directors decision on rates December 11th and to implement the

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rate adjustments in January of 2024. So that was our recommendation for the

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site assist procedure for approving rates. So if we could go to the next page

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please. What we have here is our proposed rate adjustments for classes of

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our water customers, and we have the increases that we're proposing on the right-hand side

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of the spreadsheet that would represent the increases for these different classification

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of customers. Some of the rates would be a minor adjustment, and for higher users

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it would be a larger adjustment.

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So we worked through this again with the recommendations of FCS, our consultant, in which the Board

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approved for the five-year plan by the FCS group in April 24th of 2022.

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So we're at our third year on the rate adjustments.

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And I stand before you for any questions.

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Questions from the board? I'll start down with Brian this time.

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I just have one question that's probably on the mind of all of our community members.

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So what is the increase planning to fund? Why are we increasing?

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Okay. We're seeing increases basically in a lot of our materials, a lot of our chemicals.

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levels. We're seeing those increases. Just to that question, I did some research. Average

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costs of our materials have gone up to about 15 to 20 percent. I looked at the engineering

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news record of construction costs for November and it's 6.9 percent. Our PVC products are

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6.7% our cast iron fittings went up 4% and our chemicals ranging again from 15

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to 20%. So we're trying to get the the rate increases to help our O&M and also

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fund capital.

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That's all I had. I just wanted to remind everybody what that

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discussion was all about that. Thank you. Jim, just a question. If I remember correctly from last year, we took a slight increase in our lower rates, but we didn't increase as much as FCS recommended, we increased, is that right?

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Yeah, we were a team here, yeah, yes, director.

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Local FCS came in late 2021, so it was two years ago and presented rates and went back

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to the drawing board and came back in March of 2022 with the adjusted rates. And they were

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slightly lower than I think first presented in 2021.

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They presented in November, but that was before we propagated the lease for waterworks.

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But if I recall, last rate increase we took, we didn't exactly follow that template

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to the letter. I think we took less of an increase than we recommended. And our last

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increase was readiness to serve only. What we're proposing here, what we're proposing

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and what FCS proposed as an increase this time for 2024 readiness and consumption both.

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I agree with that. I just want to give one record that we didn't take as big an increase

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initially I was recommended by SCN. Thank you. That's all I have. Dr. Rickers, if

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you could turn the mic on please.

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You want me to go to jail?

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All right, so on the front page you have the residential with 20,000 consumption.

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Well any of them, are these going up per 1,000 gym or is that the overall cost?

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Are you talking about on the right hand side the increase?

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That's overall.

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That's overall.

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So it's minimal per 1,000.

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That's what you're saying.

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And those three classes, the 5,000, 10,000, 20,000,

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those are examples that we picked out just because we know

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there are customers in those classes every month.

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So that's an example of the 5,000 consumption.

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If you have 5,000 gallons of water consumption,

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your water and sewer would go up a combined $3.55 per month.

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So those three are just examples of 5,000.

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Yeah.

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Well, I can understand that a lot of this

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This is caused by inflation, which we've had a big increase over the last two years.

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Yeah, inflation rate from the CPI was 5.3.

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Right, Karen?

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It was 5.3 for the CPI.

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Any other questions?

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No, these water rate increases and the rate is to serve increases.

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Those were set up three years ago, two years ago.

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with FCS our consultant Joe or Dr. Mahaney.

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At that particular time we were experiencing a huge growth rate and we thought maybe we'd run out of water at that time.

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There was quite a discussion over the water resource fee.

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And to

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the layman if you say well the last water we bought how many houses with

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that satisfy and so forth if that's the case then we paid near $60,000 for a

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share of Twin Lakes that will supposedly support two point homes or some we

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We plan a half acre per residential home per year.

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Yeah.

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And Twin Lakes usually yields 1.1 on the average?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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So you could run up a number of the water resource fee up

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in the $30,000 range.

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Now is this a separate, the new recommendation

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on the water resource fee is quite a bit lower than that.

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Is that a separate from the rates or yes? Yes, the water resource fee is attached to any new customer that comes in

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Those dollars are put aside for water resources

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What they looked at was the cost of us purchasing water and

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Tried to go out in the future and see what that would cost

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And as you suggested, we've paid anywhere between 60,000 or 68,000 per acre foot.

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Recently it was 50,000 per acre foot.

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That's what the water resource fee is designed to cover for new customers.

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well what is the current or the budgeted projected water resource fee going to be

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for 2024 I don't have that right down in front of me I'd have to I don't know if

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we have that but yeah it's it Joe if you're director Mahaney if you look at

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the proposed right here yeah it's from 2851 to 2960 for a water resource fee for

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24 so that's pretty much in line with the last purchase of water that's what we

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try to do yes sir it includes those last dollar purchases from 2023 yeah

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so

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So Jim what is the the connection charge of the the 29 or 25 933 which is going to 26 152

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2960 of that is for water resource fee. What's the other? How do you break out the other that

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connection charge money go for represents a PIF and represents tap and meter fees that go along

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with it.

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Is it based on actual costs of what it costs us to implement those? Yes.

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Uh huh. Yeah, we drill down on our tap fees specifically for labor equipment

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outside services. Okay. Thank you. Have no questions. Thank you, Jim. Thank

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you.

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Special presentation number two. Employee of the quarter, third quarter.

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Gary V. Hill presented by Jessica Pinky.

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Good evening, President Madero,

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fellow members of the board. I am Jessica Pinky, a director of HR, and I am happy to

460
00:52:22,030 --> 00:52:26,610
introduce or present to you our employee of quarter three, Mr. Gary Veehill.

461
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:30,910
Unfortunately, he was unable to be here tonight, so I do have his picture for you

462
00:52:30,910 --> 00:52:38,290
up on the TVs. Gary was hired on December 9th of 2019 as our facility's

463
00:52:38,290 --> 00:52:43,290
maintenance technician. Gary was nominated by Scott Amos, our facility's

464
00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:50,070
lead. Scott nominated him for his vast knowledge and always going above and beyond the job expectations.

465
00:52:51,090 --> 00:52:55,690
Scott shared that Gary always has a positive attitude no matter the job or the situation.

466
00:52:56,450 --> 00:53:01,870
Scott also shared that Gary is always cracking jokes to lighten the mood when there is something

467
00:53:01,870 --> 00:53:08,370
stressful going on to help deal with the situation and Gary quote improves our team morale.

468
00:53:08,370 --> 00:53:13,190
so congratulations to Gary we're very excited for him. Moving

469
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:20,680
on to action

470
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:26,520
items action item one 2023 resolution approving a two-year lease renewal

471
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:33,560
agreement with DGP 63 LLC for office space presented by Christian Hine. Good

472
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,480
evening Board of Directors Christian J. Hine and firm district manager for

473
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,120
Pueblo West so I want to say thank you for Sam for being here tonight being

474
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,840
prepared to answer any questions or offer any additional thoughts to some

475
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:50,960
the conversation. Just to go over it yet we have a new lease agreement set to take place

476
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,420
in 2024 and on for two years. With that you have in your packet the previous lease agreement

477
00:53:56,820 --> 00:54:01,060
plus the new one that's being proposed. Just to go over a couple questions that came up

478
00:54:01,060 --> 00:54:05,840
from last meeting to clarify or make sure everybody has the same information. One

479
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,060
of them is a termination penalty was a question of whether we paid one based on

480
00:54:10,060 --> 00:54:15,460
certain stipulations or situations in that lease is an agreement to pay for the full amount

481
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:19,540
of the two years of the lease if we terminate for any other reason than non-appropriation.

482
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:26,060
To say also if it's a non-appropriation termination penalty then it is for three months or 21,000

483
00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:26,500
total.

484
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,280
To clarify a question that came up last meeting about whether it was multi-year or

485
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,420
why it is not multi-year, it is not multi-year and the reason is because we have that

486
00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:37,800
that termination or out capability.

487
00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:39,940
I misspoke at the last one and just clarify,

488
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,120
thinking it was either extending or actively extending it,

489
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,100
it's actually actively declining or terminating it

490
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:47,240
that makes it not multi-year.

491
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,080
And then, I know there was some discussion

492
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,920
about a possible purchase or discussion for proposal

493
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,580
for purchasing C3 Spalding

494
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:56,660
and whether there would be any terms

495
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:59,260
within the lease agreement that might be associated

496
00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:00,920
with that and for the record,

497
00:55:00,940 --> 00:55:03,340
we'll have a conversation if we do pursue the path

498
00:55:03,340 --> 00:55:06,440
But there is no language within the current lease and consideration of that

499
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:11,140
if there's anything wanted to negotiate for the purchase of it or that's rent costs or trying to come to a certain

500
00:55:11,140 --> 00:55:13,460
negotiated terms, they'll be part of the actual purchase

501
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:21,480
Just to clarify some of the significant changes or or or some of the more meaningful changes within the lease between the old one and the proposed

502
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,540
current or new one

503
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,980
It has been updated include all the current lease space in the building

504
00:55:25,980 --> 00:55:31,940
It's a change of about 2.9 percent increase from 6,800 per month to 7,000 per month

505
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:33,400
And that's held for the two years

506
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,660
We there's an update for the deposit required because at first the deposit was for only the space that we occupied then

507
00:55:39,660 --> 00:55:41,420
Now it is for the total of space

508
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,720
Replaced as you had a question about it earlier director Mahaney

509
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,840
They we removed the right a first refusal at the Lesser's request

510
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,780
We added a non disturbance at our request to make sure if that you know

511
00:55:53,780 --> 00:55:56,760
The building was ever sold in the future that it would not disturb the agreement that we have

512
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,380
existing for the term of that agreement and then option to renew is required in

513
00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:04,580
90 days to line with both there and our requirements whether it's for the budget

514
00:56:04,580 --> 00:56:08,900
or for planning for new tenants and that kind of categorizes the substantial

515
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:13,920
changes and that's up for you for presentation and discussion. If there's

516
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,360
anything that I'm gonna add Sam or any other discussion.

517
00:56:19,140 --> 00:56:19,620
Perfect.

518
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:22,760
So field any

519
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:28,640
questions. Thank you Sam for being here to answer any of these questions. I'm going to start with Joe.

520
00:56:30,980 --> 00:56:37,920
I thought you said it was for the entire building? No just updated for the least space that we have

521
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,820
now. In the original one it was maybe five or six office spaces in the conference room.

522
00:56:43,380 --> 00:56:47,240
Now it's for the actual ones we've forgotten since the amendments have taken place to include

523
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:51,140
one one six and a couple of the other ones that we have recently gone through the amendments

524
00:56:51,140 --> 00:56:55,560
for so it's not the entire building it's the space we currently have everything

525
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:02,880
with those last two in the West Hall three yeah three yep there's a map in

526
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,500
your packet on the back any

527
00:57:07,610 --> 00:57:16,350
other questions Joe Bill questions looking at

528
00:57:16,350 --> 00:57:26,290
the original lease just question for clarification I see that the rent the rent started at 1650

529
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:35,550
in December of 2020 it went to 2850 and then increased to 3250 2021 but there were no

530
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:40,250
increases at that point how do we get to 6800?

531
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,240
So the the original lease we were

532
00:57:51,240 --> 00:58:05,380
Our goal was, at that point in time when I purchased the building, there was a very chopped up building with 11 different leases at very strange terms in the world of real estate.

533
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:13,540
So our goal was to attempt to get Pueblo West Metro District in a similar location at that point in time. It was the east.

534
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:21,040
So, some of the original space was, and this is November, excuse me, this is October 2020,

535
00:58:21,620 --> 00:58:28,940
East 108, East 107, East 109, East 113, East 114, and East 115.

536
00:58:29,980 --> 00:58:37,100
There was a lease that was coming due in February of 2021.

537
00:58:37,620 --> 00:58:39,740
That was for the space East 1112.

538
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:48,140
I made the business decision at that point to offer that directly to Pueblo West Metro District and not the tenant that was in that space.

539
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:55,040
It was a very new tenant, a very short-term tenant. I did not feel that that tenant was going to be a long-time business decision.

540
00:58:55,260 --> 00:59:00,560
So the original negotiation had a couple stair steps into the original space.

541
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:16,720
And then after that, there has been five addendums to then add space as many of those other leases expired and that tenant chose not to renew their lease.

542
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:28,820
For instance, March of 2021, the large room where finance is now housed, West 116, I offered a renewal.

543
00:59:28,820 --> 00:59:34,260
I shouldn't say a renewal because when a lease expires, it's a new term. We could call a renewal

544
00:59:34,260 --> 00:59:37,100
But it's a it's a new negotiation new lease. So I offered

545
00:59:37,860 --> 00:59:44,640
That lease at that time to then current tenant of West 116 that business declined

546
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,900
And then I then immediately offered Pueblo West Metro district the exact same

547
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,260
Terms for that space and that has happened now

548
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,980
five times since the original 2020 but the 2020 lease we did have a

549
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:09,680
We had a staggered initial group of offices because we were trying to accomplish seven offices,

550
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:15,220
but one of those was not perfect. And we were doing a lot of shuffling. I had two tenants

551
01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:21,560
that were in the east side of the building that we really wanted Metro to be grouped geographically

552
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:28,420
with, moved them over to the west side, and then we had an addendum in April of

553
01:00:28,420 --> 01:00:35,140
2021 for room West 114. The business owner at that time, he gave me about 60

554
01:00:35,140 --> 01:00:39,620
days notice that he was not going to renew his lease, offer that same term to

555
01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:45,560
Pueblo West Metro District, and then we were East 1110 and 111 was June of

556
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:52,520
2022 and then the most recent addendum that was September 1, 2023, Pueblo US Chamber of Commerce,

557
01:00:53,060 --> 01:01:00,260
they approached me and said that they had found what was considered much better space for them.

558
01:01:01,460 --> 01:01:09,600
And one of the conditions of them, their lease actually ran through February 28th of 2024.

559
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,020
four, one of their conditions to let them out of their lease

560
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,940
would be is if Metro wanted to take that space over,

561
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:19,900
which you guys voted on at that point in time.

562
01:01:20,020 --> 01:01:24,140
So as of nine, one, 20, 23, West 115,

563
01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:28,200
and then that front, we call it reception area

564
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:29,200
was added at that time.

565
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:31,560
So that's the original lease in five adendems.

566
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,960
So we've had adendems all along the way.

567
01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:35,420
Five total.

568
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:36,320
All right, thanks.

569
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:47,480
this side questions no questions referring back to that meeting last

570
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:54,000
meeting there was a comment made a continuing comment to be made by one of

571
01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:00,160
our directors alleging that I am the landlord and I own the property at 63

572
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:05,880
defaulting and I want to rest that finally as I've done numerous times in

573
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:13,540
past have recused myself every time and then the more any time this lease comes up I have made it

574
01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:21,200
public that I do not have a financial interest in 63 spalding my son owns 63 spalding in its entirety

575
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:27,160
it's all so hopefully director Mahaney you can

576
01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:33,980
will understand that and quit saying in public record that I am the landlord and I am the

577
01:02:33,980 --> 01:02:40,700
property owner. So I think I rested that, Carl. If I haven't, maybe you could help me with that.

578
01:02:41,380 --> 01:02:47,280
And I do continue to recuse myself and I will recuse myself once again tonight when this comes

579
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:56,440
up for a vote. Just a little bit of sophistication on your understanding. The landlord is the LLC.

580
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:08,920
Sam Proll is the sole member of that LLC and based on the representations I've heard, you have no financial interest in that building.

581
01:03:10,300 --> 01:03:15,120
Thank you. And I will precude myself once again when this comes up.

582
01:03:15,860 --> 01:03:16,740
Thank you.

583
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:20,650
Questions? I have none.

584
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:35,700
If we did decide to move forward with the purchase, would we still have to pay the $21,000 penalty

585
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:40,160
for early termination of the lease?

586
01:03:40,820 --> 01:03:45,860
If you would like to put forward a purchase agreement, we can have some specific language

587
01:03:45,860 --> 01:03:47,020
in that purchase agreement.

588
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:54,500
But in laymen, no, I mean, if we come to terms, potentially on a purchase,

589
01:03:57,060 --> 01:03:58,620
obviously, as the,

590
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:07,940
we were talking about your language for continued ownership, or excuse me, continued lease with new ownership,

591
01:04:07,940 --> 01:04:20,600
If you being 90% occupying the space and then as owner occupy, no, we would probably have

592
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,060
language or I would assume we would have language towards the end of that purchase contract

593
01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:29,620
that that lease would terminate.

594
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:32,720
So that would be one of those parts of the negotiation.

595
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,600
Yeah, if they're I mean if we have an executed purchase agreement then

596
01:04:38,940 --> 01:04:44,660
Then yeah, you turn is it for that's exactly no you would I mean at that at that point no

597
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:49,520
In layman, I don't think you would be responsible for the full two-year lease payment on top of

598
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:55,920
Purchase agreement, but we could solidify all that within the language of a potential purchase agreement as well

599
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,060
Thank you.

600
01:05:04,860 --> 01:05:06,100
So I guess we'll vote now

601
01:05:06,940 --> 01:05:08,500
Can I get a motion?

602
01:05:08,500 --> 01:05:17,360
to pass resolution approving a two-year lease renewal agreement with DGP 63 LLC for office space.

603
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:30,160
Can I get a second? It's been moved in second. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

604
01:05:30,340 --> 01:05:34,080
Abstain. Any abstentions? Abstain. Abstain one.

605
01:05:37,110 --> 01:05:40,350
Action item two, 2023 resolution approving an

606
01:05:40,350 --> 01:05:42,570
an easement for electric and communication lines.

607
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:45,990
Pueblo West Metro District presented by Sean Winters.

608
01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:51,860
Good evening, President Madero, members of the board,

609
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,860
Sean Winters, Engineering Manager.

610
01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:57,800
Tonight I'm here presenting a request

611
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,980
from Black Hills Energy for a permanent easement

612
01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:02,500
to accommodate some existing infrastructure

613
01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:03,720
near Kimball Drive.

614
01:06:04,580 --> 01:06:07,260
This infrastructure does lie on district property.

615
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,540
We've established that the value of this easement

616
01:06:10,540 --> 01:06:16,580
is approximately $1,700 and we are recommending approval of the easement and the consideration

617
01:06:16,580 --> 01:06:21,920
agreement submitted by Black Hills Energy. I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have.

618
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,340
Thank you, Sean. Questions from the board? I'll start with Brian this time.

619
01:06:25,460 --> 01:06:25,660
Any questions?

620
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:26,840
Doug?

621
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:27,240
None.

622
01:06:27,860 --> 01:06:28,140
Bill?

623
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:28,520
None.

624
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:29,540
Joe?

625
01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:32,460
Wow. No questions.

626
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:39,160
At this time, I'll entertain a motion to approve a resolution approving an easement for

627
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,820
Electric and Communication Lines, Pueblo S Metro District.

628
01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:43,500
So moved.

629
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:44,760
Can I get a second?

630
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:45,560
Second.

631
01:06:45,980 --> 01:06:47,360
It's been moved and seconded.

632
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,100
All those in favor?

633
01:06:48,500 --> 01:06:48,900
Aye.

634
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:50,120
Opposed?

635
01:06:50,980 --> 01:06:51,700
Motion carries.

636
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:52,560
Thank you.

637
01:06:56,030 --> 01:06:57,630
Action item three, considerations

638
01:06:57,630 --> 01:07:00,790
of adjustments for Blackwell Water Main Extension,

639
01:07:01,150 --> 01:07:03,130
presented by Jim Blazing.

640
01:07:05,820 --> 01:07:09,240
I said Jim, not Jeffrey.

641
01:07:11,570 --> 01:07:12,670
Thanks, Jeffrey.

642
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,160
Good evening again.

643
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:25,400
Again, President Madero, Director of the Board, what we're asking for here is an adjustment

644
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:32,580
to how can I explain it, what was explained to the developer, customer who was here, Mr.

645
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:40,320
Thompson, on his inquiry to get a main extension to his property on Blackwell.

646
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:50,420
During that discussion, there was a miscommunication explained to him regarding the need for fire

647
01:07:50,420 --> 01:07:53,060
hydrants on that main extension.

648
01:07:55,090 --> 01:08:03,810
I'm here to see if we could have a departure from that because there was a miscommunication

649
01:08:03,810 --> 01:08:15,690
on our part to allow a total fire hydrant assembly and three days of traffic control that would

650
01:08:15,690 --> 01:08:23,650
be related to this main extension job. The total cost of the material and the traffic

651
01:08:23,650 --> 01:08:31,110
control would be approximately $4,700 for that. The fire hydrant assembly is material

652
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:32,190
only. Questions

653
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,700
from the board? Start with Joe.

654
01:08:42,330 --> 01:08:44,930
I was trying to look through real quick the board

655
01:08:44,930 --> 01:08:52,070
package the printed thing we have here somewhere in the board package it mentioned that Blackwell

656
01:08:52,070 --> 01:09:00,590
went from Purcell to some other street he runs parallel to Purcell the map that you sent

657
01:09:00,590 --> 01:09:08,270
I think it's correct it's right there director the proposal is to tap off black

658
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:18,320
well and Platteville I'm sorry Platteville and black well is to tap or cut a

659
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:25,380
T in at that point and run the main extension north to the property of black

660
01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:32,460
well about 800 feet about that yeah on that is a requirement for a fire

661
01:09:32,460 --> 01:09:40,100
hydrant and do again from internal miscommunication I'm here to ask if we

662
01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:47,550
could let the fire hydrant go for its material and help with the traffic

663
01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:55,010
control on Platteville and a total of $4,700. Any other questions Joe?

664
01:09:59,700 --> 01:10:00,080
Are we

665
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,480
setting some kind of a different precedent in what we've been trying to

666
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:10,360
enforce on this? This would be different than what we would if the

667
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:15,660
the plans were presented to us, and we would have required that of a developer.

668
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,840
Again, through miscommunication, we are trying to

669
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:27,040
get this completed with the donation of the hydrant and traffic control.

670
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:33,180
So that's what you're asking, you're asking to donate the supplies to make this happen?

671
01:10:33,460 --> 01:10:33,740
Yes.

672
01:10:34,220 --> 01:10:34,480
Okay.

673
01:10:35,140 --> 01:10:39,220
Now, is Blackwell one of those streets that hadn't been accepted by the county?

674
01:10:39,220 --> 01:10:47,040
are they going to improve it or where are we that I don't know about that if

675
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:51,980
the county has accepted that for improvements I'm here just to see if it

676
01:10:51,980 --> 01:10:56,240
does get done that we would be able to donate the hydrant and traffic control

677
01:10:59,290 --> 01:11:03,450
yeah just to add a little bit to it we do think it's unique circumstances or

678
01:11:03,450 --> 01:11:06,590
situation here so as to not set a precedent with others that would

679
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:09,730
normally come forward and find out what is required of them to develop

680
01:11:09,730 --> 01:11:13,030
beforehand and as far as the road that'll be an ongoing conversation with the

681
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:16,290
county as for what they require in that improvement but it will be their

682
01:11:16,290 --> 01:11:25,240
responsibility to define that question yeah so this is some assuming that the

683
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:31,240
developers was paying for most of that he wasn't told that he would have to

684
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:38,800
have a hydrant so what what I believe he was told was that the district would

685
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:47,820
supply the fire hydrant and then after a series of issues we want to stand by what

686
01:11:47,820 --> 01:11:58,160
he was told so we don't go further with any problems so this isn't anywhere near

687
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,300
what the cost is to run a sewer line in the water no sir it's just the cost of

688
01:12:02,300 --> 01:12:06,460
a fire hydrant from the main to the hydrant and traffic control on Platteville

689
01:12:06,460 --> 01:12:07,300
Do

690
01:12:10,590 --> 01:12:11,090
I have any questions?

691
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:14,520
Brian?

692
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:20,640
I guess only the question would be where's the closest fire hydrant from where they want it.

693
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:21,540
To this?

694
01:12:23,580 --> 01:12:26,140
Somewhere over on Gantt's board, I think.

695
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:27,980
So it's needed for sure?

696
01:12:28,420 --> 01:12:31,220
Yeah, the fire department would require one.

697
01:12:31,580 --> 01:12:31,780
Okay.

698
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:32,820
Thank you.

699
01:12:33,460 --> 01:12:35,160
I have no questions, just a comment.

700
01:12:35,340 --> 01:12:37,360
I just think we've got to do the right thing.

701
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:46,460
so at this time I'll entertain a motion to consider of adjustments for blackwell

702
01:12:46,460 --> 01:12:51,800
water main extension it's been moved seconded second moved and seconded all

703
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:58,460
those in favor aye opposed motion cares thank you thank you

704
01:13:02,260 --> 01:13:03,960
item number four

705
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,140
update to same-day water service restoration for non-payments presented

706
01:13:08,140 --> 01:13:08,780
by Jeffrey.

707
01:13:14,570 --> 01:13:20,190
Good evening President Madero, members of the board. I came to the board, I think

708
01:13:20,190 --> 01:13:28,870
it was in September, looking to perform same-day service restrictions for non-payments on a

709
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:35,650
trial basis. The board granted that for two cycles, two billing cycles and I am glad to

710
01:13:35,650 --> 01:13:40,810
report it went quite well. Didn't have any of the drama we normally do. It was quite

711
01:13:40,810 --> 01:13:45,670
nice in the department. Some of the numbers we had the first shut off day

712
01:13:45,670 --> 01:13:51,090
after the board approved that trial was October 4th there were 61 shut off for

713
01:13:51,090 --> 01:13:57,210
non-payments of those 22 paid before 2 p.m. so they avoided the overtime charge

714
01:13:57,210 --> 01:14:01,350
there were seven that paid after two so they were kind of turned on more after

715
01:14:01,350 --> 01:14:07,030
5 p.m. and that went to cover the the staff cost after five and two

716
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:12,990
actually said well I'll just wait till the next day and not pay the $40 so some

717
01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:18,250
of those people chose to do that too. On November 1st there were 44 shutoffs of

718
01:14:18,250 --> 01:14:24,410
those 20 paid before 2 p.m. and 3 paid after 2 and none of them waited till the

719
01:14:24,410 --> 01:14:27,970
next day and all these numbers don't add up to the total number of shutoffs

720
01:14:27,970 --> 01:14:33,410
because some take a few days some take a week to pay sometimes so it went

721
01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:38,170
quite well so we have a recommended resolution to do this on a permanent

722
01:14:38,170 --> 01:14:42,770
basis the board has any questions I'd be happy to answer thank you Joe free

723
01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:51,510
questions from the board I think I'll start Brian this time no questions Joe I

724
01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:58,150
have none either at this time I'll entertain a motion to update the same

725
01:14:58,150 --> 01:14:59,210
day water restoration

726
01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:03,040
Water service restoration for non-payments.

727
01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:05,020
So moved.

728
01:15:05,540 --> 01:15:06,900
It's been moved. Can I get a second?

729
01:15:07,660 --> 01:15:08,140
Second.

730
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,580
Moved and seconded. All those in favor?

731
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:11,280
Aye.

732
01:15:12,580 --> 01:15:13,160
Opposed?

733
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:15,860
Motion carries. Thank you, Jeffrey.

734
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:26,160
Item five, board consensus regarding the second November meeting presented by Katrina Peter.

735
01:15:29,860 --> 01:15:31,000
Good evening again, board.

736
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,900
The Board of Directors is currently scheduled to hold a second regular scheduled meeting

737
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:39,220
on November 27th, 2023.

738
01:15:40,220 --> 01:15:44,600
Our district officers will be closed on November 23rd and the 24th in celebration of Thanksgiving.

739
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:50,820
Last year in 2022, the Board did vote to cancel the second November meeting.

740
01:15:51,020 --> 01:15:53,820
The two years prior to that, there was a second meeting held.

741
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,720
So this year, we just wanted to get Board consensus as to whether or not you would

742
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,920
like to hold that second meeting or cancel it in light of the holidays.

743
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,440
Questions from the board to start with jail or

744
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:09,780
condoms. I don't have any comments

745
01:16:09,780 --> 01:16:10,360
on that.

746
01:16:12,580 --> 01:16:16,280
Do we, we don't have anything pressing the way that needs to that

747
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,220
requires a meeting? Do we have anything at this time? I can't think of anything.

748
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,040
We don't have planned or scheduled for December and cover not

749
01:16:26,910 --> 01:16:27,370
having a

750
01:16:27,370 --> 01:16:31,410
meeting. I thought we discussed that, but I guess we didn't, I'm not having

751
01:16:31,410 --> 01:16:38,510
I would do whatever the board bled or I would tap meeting if we need to, so it makes no difference to me.

752
01:16:39,250 --> 01:16:40,430
Same, I'm indifferent.

753
01:16:41,530 --> 01:16:43,590
If there's nothing pressing then I'll say no.

754
01:16:44,150 --> 01:16:46,990
We do have a meeting December 13th though.

755
01:16:47,690 --> 01:16:49,910
December 11th is the next board meeting afterwards.

756
01:16:50,490 --> 01:17:00,840
Okay, so yeah, this is anything we might have done on November 27th.

757
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,780
We can do in December at the regular meeting.

758
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:07,240
So you guys OK with not having the board meeting for November?

759
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:12,180
Thank you.

760
01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:14,760
Do we have to vote on that or Carl?

761
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,040
I don't believe you have to.

762
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,120
I think just dispensing with the public notice

763
01:17:20,740 --> 01:17:22,900
and probably putting out a notice saying

764
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:26,000
that in light of the holiday, the board will not

765
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,520
be having its second meeting in November,

766
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,980
but we'll resume with the December 13 meeting.

767
01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:32,820
I will get that taken care of.

768
01:17:32,820 --> 01:17:33,800
Thank you.

769
01:17:38,110 --> 01:17:44,930
Item six, so resolution designate in the public area for posting of meeting notices for calendar

770
01:17:44,930 --> 01:17:47,450
year 2024 presented by Christina.

771
01:17:49,660 --> 01:17:52,740
So this item is a basic end of year housekeeping item.

772
01:17:53,220 --> 01:17:59,280
What I have done is created a spreadsheet that outlines all the upcoming meeting dates

773
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,540
that would normally be scheduled for next year.

774
01:18:02,060 --> 01:18:04,720
There were two meeting dates that landed on a holiday.

775
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:11,160
those meeting dates are marked with an asterisk and I selected the next date

776
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:15,420
so that the Tuesday following that holiday as a date that we can hold the

777
01:18:15,420 --> 01:18:20,680
meeting so this is just to outline the dates for next year's meetings and then

778
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:26,260
also dictate that 63 Spalding will be the marked location in which we will

779
01:18:27,460 --> 01:18:33,680
publish all these meetings and and have them available for inspection. Typically

780
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,740
what we do is we have a marked at 63 spawning as the dates in which all the

781
01:18:37,740 --> 01:18:40,820
meetings will be held for the year. We'll be having that posted on the website as

782
01:18:40,820 --> 01:18:46,900
well. Yes. Thank you. Questions from the board? Start, Brian. No questions. No.

783
01:18:49,540 --> 01:18:50,220
You guys are

784
01:18:50,220 --> 01:18:55,700
making my job easy. All right, at this time, I'll ask for a motion to approve a

785
01:18:55,700 --> 01:19:00,580
resolution designating the public areas for posting of meeting notices for

786
01:19:00,580 --> 01:19:01,840
calendar year 2024.

787
01:19:03,940 --> 01:19:08,280
Can I get a second? Second. It's been moved and seconded. All

788
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:18,680
those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. On the

789
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:23,800
discussion items J1 update to the Metro District personnel policy presented by

790
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,080
Jessica Panky again

791
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:37,220
directors I am Jessica Panky director of HR and I have in

792
01:19:37,220 --> 01:19:43,180
front of you an updated policy and I'm really excited about it so first thank

793
01:19:43,180 --> 01:19:48,420
you to my committee that worked with me for many many hours and reviewing it

794
01:19:48,420 --> 01:19:55,920
and putting in their effort for it so you have a copy of the presentation of

795
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:02,860
course. The next document in your bundle there is our current policy. And I tried to make

796
01:20:02,860 --> 01:20:08,440
this as easy as possible because I needed to understand it to explain it to all of you.

797
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:14,940
So what I did is I went through that policy. Anything black is in the new policy, nothing

798
01:20:14,940 --> 01:20:22,340
has changed. Red has been modified or removed. The second document that you have in there

799
01:20:22,340 --> 01:20:29,740
is the with the new recommended change. But again, they are going to if we don't change

800
01:20:29,740 --> 01:20:31,160
it they'll just wait till April or May.

801
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:37,320
The other change that I am suggesting in the policy

802
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:45,200
is I just added a line under the PTO policy that all PTO hours must are do we want to

803
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:51,660
add Juneteenth in and have 14 holidays. I did include Pueblo County's holidays

804
01:20:51,660 --> 01:20:57,140
on this slide. Without the half days or the early release days, they have 14

805
01:20:57,140 --> 01:21:01,180
holidays, but they have a few extras in there that they leave early.

806
01:21:04,350 --> 01:21:04,810
We currently

807
01:21:04,810 --> 01:21:12,430
observe, oh go ahead, you had a question? You said Juneteenth is one that's been

808
01:21:12,430 --> 01:21:17,570
recently added. Federal holiday in the last few years. State also.

809
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:21,970
So we used

810
01:21:21,970 --> 01:21:28,390
to have Columbus Day a few years ago we put out a survey to staff and they said

811
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:34,090
they would rather have Colorado Day over Columbus Day so that is kind of our

812
01:21:34,090 --> 01:21:38,270
give for Columbus Day. What I didn't realize when we did that is originally

813
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:45,670
when Colorado Day was in the policy they got it the first Monday of August.

814
01:21:46,890 --> 01:21:50,830
Currently how the policy reads is it's August 1st which this year was a

815
01:21:50,830 --> 01:21:57,550
Tuesday so we just thought we could go back to the previous policy how it was

816
01:21:57,550 --> 01:22:03,310
before if we kept Colorado day we would maybe potentially move that to the first

817
01:22:03,310 --> 01:22:07,330
Monday of August so we don't disrupt the work week with coming in on Monday and

818
01:22:07,330 --> 01:22:08,050
then we're off on Tuesday.

819
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,600
We have 13 holidays I did some research private

820
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:26,140
corporations they are have from nine and a half to 12 typically yeah and I did

821
01:22:26,140 --> 01:22:30,800
send the policy out to staff most of the comments that I got back was about

822
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:37,320
the holidays and they want all the holidays that was no shock but I

823
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:42,140
figured y'all should know that one person even emailed and said yeah throw

824
01:22:42,140 --> 01:22:48,940
Columbus bit day back in there too. So just keep that in mind. Okay. The next

825
01:22:48,940 --> 01:22:54,460
slide I'm talking about holiday pay. So how our current policy reads is it states

826
01:22:54,460 --> 01:22:59,680
employees get eight hours of holiday pay. We do have some employees that work

827
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:04,940
10-hour shifts, 12-hour shifts. So those who work 10-hour shifts either work

828
01:23:04,940 --> 01:23:11,120
extra throughout the week, take PTO hours to receive a full paycheck, or they

829
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:15,620
are just short for that week. So I am recommending that we change the wording

830
01:23:15,620 --> 01:23:20,020
to we will pay them in accordance with their regular scheduled shift at their

831
01:23:20,020 --> 01:23:23,560
regular pay. And that's the only change under holiday pay.

832
01:23:27,340 --> 01:23:29,560
Next slide. Small

833
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,540
change under bereavement, it's all the same. We do get a lot of questions about

834
01:23:33,540 --> 01:23:38,160
aunts, uncles, cousins, stuff like that. So we just added a line that in the

835
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,060
event of a death of a near relative, employees may take PTO or unpaid time

836
01:23:42,060 --> 01:23:47,060
of PTO is exhausted to attend those funeral services and near relatives

837
01:23:47,060 --> 01:23:51,500
include employees, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews and any other close relatives.

838
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,680
So just adding some clarification for staff.

839
01:23:59,980 --> 01:24:02,420
Next change we added a line to the

840
01:24:02,420 --> 01:24:07,620
emergency and non-emergency closing. So again it all reads the same. We just

841
01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:11,100
add a line at the end. Additionally the district manager has the authority to

842
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:14,880
declare a non-emergency closing of district offices on a case-by-case

843
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,000
spaces where they deem appropriate in their sole discretion.

844
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:24,320
So a quick good example of that recently was this year we had 4th of July fall on a Tuesday

845
01:24:24,740 --> 01:24:29,280
and what we learned just heading up to that was that public county and City of Pueblo were

846
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,920
taking that Monday off they were going to call for non-emergency closing essentially.

847
01:24:33,860 --> 01:24:36,840
We did the same thing ended up reaching out to the board directors and just letting

848
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,220
them know that that was the intent asking for any feedback for that.

849
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,580
This would just allow really specify that the district manager in those kind of cases

850
01:24:42,580 --> 01:24:46,420
would have that authority to do so. But hope for discussion.

851
01:24:52,730 --> 01:24:57,050
All right. So next slide is just talking about some new things that we added into the policy.

852
01:24:57,870 --> 01:25:03,630
What I had done is I had gone to employers council and downloaded their Colorado handbook

853
01:25:04,130 --> 01:25:09,270
to ensure that we had all the Colorado legal specific stuff. And this was this first one

854
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:15,090
job related problems was actually from their suggested policy. We liked how it read as a

855
01:25:15,090 --> 01:25:20,070
committee, we felt it fit it fit with the conflict resolution type stuff within the policy.

856
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:22,570
So we just left that piece in there.

857
01:25:23,210 --> 01:25:25,530
We also left a piece about confidential information.

858
01:25:25,670 --> 01:25:31,970
We have staff who have access to a lot of confidential information, a jar of finance stuff like that.

859
01:25:32,410 --> 01:25:35,890
And we have no confidentiality statement currently in the policy.

860
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:39,270
So we did go ahead and add a section about that.

861
01:25:39,950 --> 01:25:44,830
and then we also added a section about data disposal and we felt that that fit

862
01:25:44,830 --> 01:25:49,330
with our records retention that we've been working towards as a district so.

863
01:25:55,630 --> 01:25:57,350
Alright, next slide.

864
01:26:00,710 --> 01:26:04,270
We are going to talk about telework, which we added a small

865
01:26:04,270 --> 01:26:08,710
section in there about telework. We do have some staff that occasionally work

866
01:26:08,710 --> 01:26:13,400
from home when needed, don't necessarily have offices for everybody, so I'm

867
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:19,200
going to ask Christian to kind of join the conversation here and help with this telework

868
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:19,680
discussion.

869
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:24,140
Right now what we're proposing to put in there is empowering whether it's directors, managers

870
01:26:24,140 --> 01:26:28,840
to make those calls based on, you know, would that telework option allow people to work,

871
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,440
whether it's hiring action or whether it's through the actual day-to-day operations

872
01:26:32,440 --> 01:26:33,620
that happen throughout the year.

873
01:26:34,580 --> 01:26:37,860
That's specifically empowering the district to have that ability to do so.

874
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:42,100
It's not requiring telework, it's not saying that we will allow everyone to telework.

875
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:48,980
That's what's proposed in the policy and now the questions and the thing that we're trying to study and analyze is would it either

876
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,200
Allow us to attract talent for specific positions that are becoming much more

877
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:59,080
Frequently used as telework operations whether that's or even remote work, but I'm here specifying telework

878
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:03,120
Which if you're not maybe the difference telework is you are located close to your office

879
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:08,660
You are have the ability to work in person. You were just able to also work from home the difference in remote work

880
01:27:08,660 --> 01:27:09,560
say you work from anywhere.

881
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,260
Generally the big difference between those two.

882
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:16,040
With that, whether you're talking about IT folks,

883
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:17,640
finance folks, there are certain positions

884
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,840
that have been allowed to either telework or remote work

885
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,140
in either the private industry

886
01:27:22,140 --> 01:27:24,020
or even in the state government

887
01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:25,740
where it has helped them attract

888
01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:27,060
a higher talent pool for it.

889
01:27:27,420 --> 01:27:28,500
And the question comes up is,

890
01:27:28,540 --> 01:27:29,880
would that allow us to attract more?

891
01:27:30,620 --> 01:27:33,740
If it is a consideration of how much office space it is,

892
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,860
could we utilize a pilot program to test

893
01:27:35,860 --> 01:27:38,280
if we took a certain division department or section

894
01:27:38,770 --> 01:27:42,140
and use them to telework and reduce their office space

895
01:27:42,140 --> 01:27:43,780
requirements that we currently have,

896
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:45,920
and they were still successful, still as productive,

897
01:27:46,140 --> 01:27:47,580
they had measurable deadlines,

898
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:49,620
could we compare that to what they've reduced

899
01:27:49,620 --> 01:27:51,580
with how much less it costs to actually house

900
01:27:51,580 --> 01:27:52,220
and space them?

901
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,620
That's what we're talking about with the pilot program

902
01:27:54,620 --> 01:27:57,720
is maybe in the next year, having a discussion

903
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,480
of taking maybe a six month pilot or test

904
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:02,940
or trial program say, hey, we want this section

905
01:28:02,940 --> 01:28:03,960
to be able to work remotely

906
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:05,520
or work in a telework environment,

907
01:28:05,660 --> 01:28:07,960
meaning they have that office space to use as they need,

908
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:10,460
but they're not required to be in full time

909
01:28:10,460 --> 01:28:12,180
eight to five every day of the week

910
01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:14,200
and see what would that compare

911
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,700
as far as productivity versus potential cost savings.

912
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,300
So that's what we're looking for.

913
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:19,240
And the only other thing is,

914
01:28:19,540 --> 01:28:21,160
typically we have a whole division

915
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:22,500
that's pretty much currently out.

916
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,100
I think we're going to experience that

917
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:25,420
for the next couple of years,

918
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,240
if not frequently, just because of the flu

919
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,180
and now what appears to be COVID season.

920
01:28:29,980 --> 01:28:32,380
They got the facilities division essentially tested

921
01:28:32,380 --> 01:28:33,440
mostly positive for COVID

922
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:36,240
and they have sickness spreads with folks like that.

923
01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:38,900
If you have one person who comes in who is sick,

924
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,100
they tend to be in a situation where they are then having

925
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,600
to be in person and they're around people

926
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:45,960
and they have the potential to spread that sickness

927
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,820
and while they themselves might feel great,

928
01:28:48,220 --> 01:28:49,080
be able to do their work.

929
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:50,640
If that gets worse and somebody else

930
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,280
it causes them to have to take into sick day

931
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:53,520
or take that time off.

932
01:28:53,780 --> 01:28:55,820
So the only concern with if you have the ability

933
01:28:55,820 --> 01:28:57,360
to tell work, could it help reduce

934
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:58,520
the amount of sickness you spread

935
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,140
and the people who might have to take that PTO

936
01:29:00,140 --> 01:29:02,200
or time off in a loss of productivity then.

937
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,080
so that's the thought behind it.

938
01:29:06,110 --> 01:29:09,550
Thank you, welcome. Questions?

939
01:29:13,260 --> 01:29:19,000
Here's the fire hose. Yeah, there's more.

940
01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:25,020
I'm just asking questions. Oh, about the tell-over. For this tell-over. That makes sense.

941
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:33,800
Do you have any? Can we do board meetings from home? You haven't asked. And that's called Zoom.

942
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:42,860
after a while you wonder if somebody teleworks for two different companies at

943
01:29:42,860 --> 01:29:50,670
the same time that can get to a point where a lot of traditional supervisors

944
01:29:50,670 --> 01:29:57,590
say if I can't see the white of their eyes they're probably not working so I

945
01:29:58,370 --> 01:29:59,250
guess that's

946
01:30:00,050 --> 01:30:09,990
Something that's coming into fruition, but I'm glad I'm not in a position to have to make that call with people.

947
01:30:10,110 --> 01:30:11,450
You are, though. You are.

948
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:24,270
I certainly understand that sentiment. I'll just share a quick experience coming, whether from the military,

949
01:30:24,270 --> 01:30:29,550
just having the appreciation that I've never been located with most of my

950
01:30:29,550 --> 01:30:32,870
higher headquarters when I was in Fort Polk, Louisiana. My boss was in Fort Hood,

951
01:30:32,930 --> 01:30:37,530
Texas. When I was in Kuwait, my boss was in Alabama. Typically had to find a way to

952
01:30:37,530 --> 01:30:40,610
work and as long as managers, supervisors have accountable measures and

953
01:30:40,610 --> 01:30:43,970
they're sufficient in understanding what product they're trying to push, whether

954
01:30:43,970 --> 01:30:46,810
that's a finance team, whether that's an IT team, if they have those

955
01:30:46,810 --> 01:30:50,090
measurable objectives, a good manager, a good supervisor can determine that and

956
01:30:50,090 --> 01:30:52,510
see if somebody, whether they can see the lights of their eyes or not, is

957
01:30:52,510 --> 01:30:54,550
working or not, but that's just my experience.

958
01:31:00,340 --> 01:31:01,780
I think it's something that's coming.

959
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,600
I think we're gonna have to take a look at it.

960
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:09,720
I would, my concern would be that there would be measurable,

961
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:12,360
there needs to be savings.

962
01:31:12,660 --> 01:31:15,640
If there's actually gonna be savings to the district,

963
01:31:19,020 --> 01:31:20,060
that's what we're looking for.

964
01:31:20,780 --> 01:31:22,740
So that they can do their job,

965
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:24,120
they can be satisfied doing their job

966
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,340
from a remote location.

967
01:31:25,820 --> 01:31:32,280
but then again it's there's got to be some benefit to the district with that

968
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,240
said I know there's a lot of companies now that are telling their people to

969
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:42,580
come back to work because that has been an issue with as Joe mentioned so I

970
01:31:42,580 --> 01:31:46,000
don't know what the balance is either and I think a pilot program might be

971
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,400
something that would be something good to try but yeah I think there are some

972
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,940
jobs that can be done from home but I don't think all of them can be done

973
01:31:52,940 --> 01:31:59,560
home and I don't think they can all be done from home all the time so but there

974
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:05,020
should be a benefit as well to the district not just to the employee. Very

975
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:06,140
fair very well put.

976
01:32:10,060 --> 01:32:13,480
Any questions on that? I share the same concerns it takes a

977
01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:19,060
special person to be diligent enough and responsible enough to do the work at

978
01:32:19,060 --> 01:32:24,840
home rather than do whatever they want. It's nice to work near PJs sometimes.

979
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:28,420
There's other

980
01:32:28,420 --> 01:32:32,320
considerations you may want to look at, you know, things like project-based pay versus,

981
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:40,100
you know, a salary or something like that. And as Bill said, not everyone or not every

982
01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:47,140
position is, you know, warrants it warrants telework, but that's all I have on that topic.

983
01:32:48,980 --> 01:32:54,840
We had these conversations, you know, during COVID, in RAC or COVID, I think the board of them

984
01:32:55,500 --> 01:32:59,300
said we were a lot on top of the teleworking thing, working from home.

985
01:33:00,100 --> 01:33:05,460
Although I think I've maintained there are positions I think that we could benefit from.

986
01:33:05,460 --> 01:33:19,780
It reduces our need for office space in a lot of ways and there are benefits to the district so I would certainly consider a pilot program under your direction Christian to see how that works.

987
01:33:20,020 --> 01:33:23,640
Sounds good. Appreciate it.

988
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:31,180
The next couple slides are an information technology section and we are still currently reviewing this part.

989
01:33:31,180 --> 01:33:34,280
We actually have a separate policy a computer policy

990
01:33:34,740 --> 01:33:40,220
I did have the IT director review these and he did think that they would be good to have in the policy

991
01:33:40,220 --> 01:33:42,860
But I think it would be smart to review his policy and see

992
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,160
There's any redundancies or if we just need to take those out

993
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:51,840
So we will let you know when we bring this back in December if we decided to remove those or leave them in

994
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:52,840
Or if you have any thoughts

995
01:33:53,940 --> 01:33:56,000
About that, please let us know

996
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:01,060
Can we add a clause in there to remove the spam email tricks?

997
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,400
And they would be very much against me doing that.

998
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,760
I do hear that the HR ones get you sometimes.

999
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:10,980
All right.

1000
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:12,000
Okay.

1001
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:16,160
So now a couple of things that we did remove.

1002
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,040
So we did remove a section that talked about compensatory time.

1003
01:34:21,100 --> 01:34:22,900
After discussions with finance,

1004
01:34:22,900 --> 01:34:27,480
finance, what this essentially does is anybody that works overtime can take those overtime

1005
01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:32,840
hours and basically use them on another day, get paid regular hours instead of the overtime

1006
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:33,200
rate.

1007
01:34:34,500 --> 01:34:39,320
Concerns with that could be if an employee didn't want to do that, they should, after

1008
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:42,000
talking with finance, we felt they should just be paid overtime.

1009
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,520
If they work the overtime, let's just pay them.

1010
01:34:45,020 --> 01:34:50,320
In the few instances that it has been used recently, it was not used properly and

1011
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:54,780
And I just felt that that could get us into some legal hot water, so rather just take

1012
01:34:54,780 --> 01:34:55,060
it out.

1013
01:34:55,460 --> 01:34:59,240
So anywhere that it talks about compensatory time has been removed.

1014
01:35:00,860 --> 01:35:05,300
We also removed the section about per request needed or PRN employees.

1015
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:07,580
We don't have any of these.

1016
01:35:07,660 --> 01:35:10,920
We have not utilized these in our, in my history here.

1017
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:17,380
If we needed somebody as needed, we would probably hire a temporary staff, which is

1018
01:35:17,380 --> 01:35:19,020
talked about in our policy.

1019
01:35:19,020 --> 01:35:19,760
have

1020
01:35:23,540 --> 01:35:32,120
any of the water enterprise, PRNs, part-time, PRN, we hire temporary staff typically.

1021
01:35:33,500 --> 01:35:38,620
The next section is dress and appearance. You're going to see a little bit of red on that slide.

1022
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:45,480
We took out kind of the gender specific attacking is some of how some of us read it in the

1023
01:35:45,480 --> 01:35:51,680
committee and just sort of left it open to where a department director has the

1024
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:55,700
call to decide if somebody is wearing something inappropriate it still has

1025
01:35:55,700 --> 01:36:01,840
all the language in there for a director to do that. What this does is it stops

1026
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:07,240
HR from being the fashion police when we walk into people's offices.

1027
01:36:11,480 --> 01:36:13,600
It still

1028
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:19,500
is specific about, you know, have to be professional, those sort of things. But we're leaving it

1029
01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:25,580
up to department directors to use their discretion. HR is not in there every single day. And then

1030
01:36:25,580 --> 01:36:32,750
I walk in there on a random Tuesday and I have to be the fashion police. So the other

1031
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:37,170
thing that we did remove is the extended PTO bank. We do not have an extended PTO bank

1032
01:36:37,170 --> 01:36:41,010
anymore. So that is no longer. So we just took that section out.

1033
01:36:44,700 --> 01:36:45,540
Okay, now we're

1034
01:36:45,540 --> 01:36:47,680
talk about longevity and PTO.

1035
01:36:51,380 --> 01:36:54,800
I'm going to bring Christian back into this conversation because

1036
01:36:55,300 --> 01:36:59,460
we spent many hours going through this policy. What was it? Three plus hours Christian?

1037
01:36:59,860 --> 01:37:05,760
Maybe more. Maybe more. And there was a lot of things that we got hung up on conversations on and

1038
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:10,240
longevity and PTO were one of them. So we wanted to talk to you about those.

1039
01:37:10,860 --> 01:37:14,960
Yeah. So this longevity specifically is something we're looking for feedback or input

1040
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:19,360
from the board. Right now within our policy, we see on that current longevity is what we offer.

1041
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:25,020
Our intentions have been within the first quarter of next year to come forward and talk about

1042
01:37:25,020 --> 01:37:30,760
different pay practices that will evaluate and calculate longevity pay within that process.

1043
01:37:31,420 --> 01:37:34,440
But pending, you know, that discussion and whether it's approved or not, we still want

1044
01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:37,840
to take a stab at what does it currently say and whether it needs to change if nothing

1045
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:43,160
else changed. Our current longevity, the biggest thing that I've noticed is that if you work

1046
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:48,880
here for over 30 years, you'll get equivalent of a dollar more an hour, which is, you know,

1047
01:37:49,060 --> 01:37:49,340
something.

1048
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:54,560
But it comes into a question of, is longevity something we are offering because we think

1049
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:58,680
it is just an additional benefit, it by itself is just additional value we're providing

1050
01:37:58,680 --> 01:37:59,140
or recognizing?

1051
01:37:59,900 --> 01:38:04,100
Or is it something that entices people to want to sign on with the district because

1052
01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:06,240
they see we have a good longevity pay program?

1053
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,040
Currently, I would say we are this more of the former.

1054
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,640
It's something that just adds a little bit of value, but it's not ventured with

1055
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:16,960
anybody's, you know, experience position or their experience within that position, it's

1056
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:21,220
not commensurate with a large increase for them, it's really just an added benefit.

1057
01:38:21,620 --> 01:38:25,280
But if we do want to encourage people to be here for longer, then we may want to take

1058
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:29,980
a look at whether more sophisticated longevity pay practice or just evaluating what it is

1059
01:38:29,980 --> 01:38:33,360
that should be within those confines, because at the end of the day I think we've talked

1060
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:37,980
about before, a dollar an hour to somebody, whether they're making 40,000 versus 100,000

1061
01:38:37,980 --> 01:38:41,340
a year is the same number obviously, so that's pretty fair, but at the same time

1062
01:38:41,340 --> 01:38:43,120
Is that what we're trying to evaluate now?

1063
01:38:43,180 --> 01:38:48,020
We're trying to increase enticement for people in positions or not so open discussion

1064
01:38:48,020 --> 01:38:51,480
We haven't made any recommendations. I think for the longevity specifically

1065
01:38:51,480 --> 01:38:54,100
We just kind of want to hear some feedback and thoughts on it

1066
01:38:57,460 --> 01:39:04,340
So you're talking about already pay over the course of their employment. Is that is that what this so?

1067
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:07,080
Correct me if I'm wrong the way it gets paid out is once they hit

1068
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:10,540
Let's say that five-year mark then every year at that five-year mark

1069
01:39:10,540 --> 01:39:11,360
they'll get that $600.

1070
01:39:11,900 --> 01:39:13,540
So in the fifth year, they get $600.

1071
01:39:14,220 --> 01:39:16,320
In the sixth year, they get $600 in the seventh year

1072
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:17,480
all the way up to the 10-year mark.

1073
01:39:17,940 --> 01:39:19,740
And when we're saying that $1 an hour,

1074
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:23,920
we're just equating, sorry, in that 30-year mark, $2,100

1075
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,500
is the equivalent of, if they were to make it hourly,

1076
01:39:26,740 --> 01:39:27,560
that's what it would equate to.

1077
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:29,120
Also, this is like a bonus.

1078
01:39:29,540 --> 01:39:30,240
It's on top of everything.

1079
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,060
Yes, so they are paid out.

1080
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:33,820
Their longevity pay in December.

1081
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:37,460
And it is an extra amount that they get.

1082
01:39:37,460 --> 01:39:42,800
So they don't see it like if they make, let's say, $20 an hour at 30 years, it doesn't change

1083
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:43,580
their hourly rate.

1084
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,520
They still get $20 an hour while they're at 30 years or more.

1085
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,980
At the end of the year, they get $2,100 as that bonus.

1086
01:39:50,500 --> 01:39:54,300
The equivalent is if they were being paid essentially $1 an hour more after 30 years

1087
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:54,780
of service.

1088
01:39:56,420 --> 01:39:57,440
So it's like a bonus.

1089
01:39:58,280 --> 01:39:58,860
It is.

1090
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:04,160
And if we're just looking at it for an additional benefit, that can remain as it is.

1091
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:09,500
It's just does that make, you know, does that, I don't know, I'll describe it, does that pass

1092
01:40:09,500 --> 01:40:14,480
the check of you work here for 30 years and essentially for that 30 years you're

1093
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:19,660
getting a dollar more an hour equivalent? Are we recognizing people who stay here,

1094
01:40:19,940 --> 01:40:23,760
are we benefiting or rewarding them for wanting to stay here, or are we just

1095
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:28,540
looking for it to be that additional benefit? Well, they're getting paid,

1096
01:40:28,620 --> 01:40:32,900
they're getting paid during the year, right? Yeah, but there's no other

1097
01:40:34,140 --> 01:40:36,700
They raise this during the course of their career.

1098
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:39,760
So we have people who have been working here 30-plus years who are making less than their

1099
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,620
mid-range, which shows that there is nothing going to evaluate how long they've been here

1100
01:40:43,620 --> 01:40:47,840
and whether they're getting compensated higher as they progress or being recognized for any

1101
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:49,200
value additionally to the district.

1102
01:40:49,740 --> 01:40:50,680
It's legitimately...

1103
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:51,660
You talked about our early rate.

1104
01:40:51,780 --> 01:40:56,060
We've got people that have been here for 30 years that are making less than their

1105
01:40:56,060 --> 01:40:56,620
mid-range of their salaries.

1106
01:40:56,620 --> 01:40:58,460
Less than the people that have been here for 15 years?

1107
01:40:58,820 --> 01:40:59,220
Potentially.

1108
01:40:59,700 --> 01:41:00,180
It can happen.

1109
01:41:00,180 --> 01:41:06,240
And that has happened here is that once we start increasing that salary range as inflation or as we do a market analysis

1110
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:11,640
We have places where it compresses where somebody who's been here for 10 years is making the exact same as somebody

1111
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:15,260
We just hired and sometimes that person making who is just hard to be making more

1112
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:28,900
Just yeah the hourly rate we do offer this but it does not even in those cases does not equivalent

1113
01:41:28,900 --> 01:41:32,660
equivalent, equate to a meaningful change, especially if there's somebody who's been working

1114
01:41:32,660 --> 01:41:35,920
here 30 plus years, they're making less of their comparation, then somebody who could

1115
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:37,160
be hired tomorrow will be making more.

1116
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:43,660
That's happened all over Colorado, the minimum wage has gone up, this happens everywhere.

1117
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:50,520
So, but you're working on a plan to correct that, include longevity into your pay scale,

1118
01:41:50,660 --> 01:41:50,820
correct?

1119
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:56,400
Do we need to have a policy, do we need to update or change a policy since you're

1120
01:41:56,400 --> 01:42:00,320
looking at updating how the pay scale works.

1121
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:03,460
So what we're trying to do here is if that policy doesn't,

1122
01:42:03,540 --> 01:42:05,220
if we don't create a new pay practice,

1123
01:42:05,580 --> 01:42:07,240
as I've kind of started presenting,

1124
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,400
do we want to change anything within the current structure

1125
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,460
of longevity pay to account for what that pay practice

1126
01:42:13,460 --> 01:42:14,140
normally would?

1127
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:16,960
If we, let's say we change something here

1128
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:18,460
and then we adopt a new pay practice,

1129
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:19,840
we would also revise this policy

1130
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:21,200
to remove the longevity pay.

1131
01:42:21,460 --> 01:42:23,120
Right, because you're looking to introduce

1132
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:25,520
that new pay practice next year, early next year.

1133
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:29,420
Yes. After we review and take every position, identify what would that change be and then

1134
01:42:29,420 --> 01:42:31,760
present it to the board to get feedback. That would be an impact.

1135
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:40,960
I can tell you, in private business, the business that I run, when minimum wage changes, I do allow

1136
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:46,920
it to increase, so I don't have a new hire that would be more money than the one on the current

1137
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:51,780
employee. And I think it's incumbent to keep your employees and keep them in their

1138
01:42:54,240 --> 01:43:00,060
It's cost prohibitive to continue to turn over employees, I think we've identified that.

1139
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:06,000
Not prohibitive, but it's expensive. I mean, it costs quite a bit when you're replacing it over six months.

1140
01:43:06,580 --> 01:43:10,180
And that's the concept that I think I like to take care of my employees.

1141
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:15,260
If we don't take care of our employees, there's no one who's going to be here to take care of our situation.

1142
01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:25,780
I have to do support some outline regarding this pay.

1143
01:43:26,380 --> 01:43:26,740
Absolutely.

1144
01:43:27,580 --> 01:43:28,180
Yeah, I understand.

1145
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:28,480
I agree.

1146
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:31,700
Right now we have, operationally we've done a lot of correction as we've noticed it.

1147
01:43:32,140 --> 01:43:34,880
The only concern I would have and why I think a pay practice will help solve that

1148
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:36,820
is that will formalize, regardless who's in the position,

1149
01:43:36,940 --> 01:43:38,780
we'll know how people should be compensated

1150
01:43:38,780 --> 01:43:42,060
and we'll reduce the likelihood that that would happen with a new pay practice.

1151
01:43:42,580 --> 01:43:48,000
with longevity it is you know I understand there might be debate on

1152
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,580
whether longevity should be rewarded by itself I think there is intrinsic value

1153
01:43:51,580 --> 01:43:54,860
the person who has been here a little bit longer knows the processes I think at

1154
01:43:54,860 --> 01:43:57,060
the same time I've heard you know counter arguments that somebody who's

1155
01:43:57,060 --> 01:43:59,680
been here too long has known how to get away with the system that they have

1156
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:03,860
presented to them but at the end of the day the biggest thing that I've

1157
01:44:03,860 --> 01:44:07,500
learned is the military has a 20-year program before you can get the

1158
01:44:07,500 --> 01:44:11,040
retirement, and they have identified that that 10-year mark is the cutoff.

1159
01:44:11,500 --> 01:44:15,080
They know if you make it past 10 years, you're probably staying in the military because you

1160
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:19,700
only have less than 10 years to put up with the rest of it before you make that retirement

1161
01:44:19,700 --> 01:44:20,060
system.

1162
01:44:20,580 --> 01:44:24,680
And that 10-year ends up being what they want to incentivize people to get to before

1163
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,280
they start understanding that that person's probably already taken care of.

1164
01:44:27,300 --> 01:44:29,800
They've made the decision themselves that they're going to continue with the military

1165
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:30,360
for 20 years.

1166
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:34,080
Obviously, if you've not heard the news or read, the military has a huge retention

1167
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:38,700
problem right now. And it's not indicative just because of longevity, there's a lot going on there.

1168
01:44:38,980 --> 01:44:44,740
But with that, the big concern is if we do think longevity is important, if we do think having

1169
01:44:44,740 --> 01:44:48,820
somebody employed with a district for a period of time, longer than two, three years, somebody who

1170
01:44:48,820 --> 01:44:52,940
will bring value and continue to bring value to the district, do we want to incentivize them to

1171
01:44:52,940 --> 01:44:56,420
at least get to a certain point where we can keep them? That's the general concept of

1172
01:44:56,420 --> 01:44:59,660
longevity. So just outside of the pay practice, we might

1173
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,320
Uh, be able to get before you and be able to get approved. Um, do we want to take a look

1174
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,780
at what longevity pay is currently and then adjust if necessary if that pay practice is

1175
01:45:08,780 --> 01:45:08,980
approved?

1176
01:45:11,390 --> 01:45:16,430
I'd say not disturb the card if you're going to be updating it. But we're going to be looking

1177
01:45:16,430 --> 01:45:19,750
at that early next year. I mean, if we're going to, if this is going to be two years

1178
01:45:19,750 --> 01:45:25,270
down the road, then yeah, we probably need to talk about the longevity pay. But I mean,

1179
01:45:25,310 --> 01:45:27,330
if we're going to be adjusting this anyway, then what's the point?

1180
01:45:27,870 --> 01:45:28,050
Fair enough.

1181
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:33,040
PTO.

1182
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:34,120
PTO.

1183
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:40,400
Christian's still in on this one, but we did notice something a little off when

1184
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:45,020
we were looking at it so take it away, Christian. Oh yeah there's only one

1185
01:45:45,020 --> 01:45:49,060
correction to it for some reason and you know we don't have animal body of

1186
01:45:49,060 --> 01:45:52,120
history of everything that had decided why certain change were made but we

1187
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:58,120
noticed from the 10 to 14 year mark every other increment is by 40 hours

1188
01:45:58,780 --> 01:46:04,820
or, I'm sorry, 40 hours for fire, full-time, sorry.

1189
01:46:05,140 --> 01:46:08,920
Full-time is 40 hours, and then fire suppression math is...

1190
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:09,380
48.

1191
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:10,320
48, thank you.

1192
01:46:10,940 --> 01:46:12,900
And then part-time is 20.

1193
01:46:13,420 --> 01:46:15,120
For some reason, that's 10 to 14-year mark.

1194
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:15,720
It's almost half.

1195
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:19,980
It's actually, I guess, I guess 16-14 split or a 60-40 split.

1196
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:24,980
So we were just looking to correct that and increase it by what it is.

1197
01:46:24,980 --> 01:46:28,180
there is one, if you're looking at the slide,

1198
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:29,460
correct me if I'm wrong,

1199
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,800
just the year 15 plus is not 480.

1200
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:32,980
It is 280.

1201
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:33,720
It is 280, sorry about that.

1202
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:35,700
It is not suddenly double in time off.

1203
01:46:35,900 --> 01:46:37,460
I fixed it in our meeting.

1204
01:46:37,620 --> 01:46:38,140
We checked it.

1205
01:46:38,440 --> 01:46:39,940
We just didn't know it was,

1206
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,100
so essentially all we're doing is correcting for that.

1207
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:44,300
It's incremented by 40 hours

1208
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,440
instead of that weird half split.

1209
01:46:48,940 --> 01:46:50,960
But this does still need to be evaluated.

1210
01:46:52,420 --> 01:46:56,840
And this is vacation pay, is that, is that, this is PTO?

1211
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:00,120
Yeah, PTO is sick and vacation, all in one bucket.

1212
01:47:01,940 --> 01:47:07,000
So we noticed a little bit of a discrepancy there, so we're discussing potentially making

1213
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:11,160
an update there, but we do need to get to both finance and have them evaluate what that

1214
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:14,820
would look like for the district to make sure that it's the right move.

1215
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:17,420
Do we have a cap on PTO accrual?

1216
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:21,500
So they can only roll over 80 hours to the next year.

1217
01:47:22,340 --> 01:47:22,340
So

1218
01:47:25,060 --> 01:47:28,420
anything that they do not use unfortunately is lost.

1219
01:47:29,460 --> 01:47:31,320
We try to encourage them to use it.

1220
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:37,200
Is there like a minimum number of years that they have to work before they can cash it out?

1221
01:47:37,740 --> 01:47:38,540
Cash out.

1222
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:40,440
You know, when they leave?

1223
01:47:41,340 --> 01:47:46,980
Yeah, no, when they leave because we have it all in one bucket, we have to pay it out to them when they leave.

1224
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:51,020
But they can only crew so much, right?

1225
01:47:51,020 --> 01:47:53,640
right yep questions

1226
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:06,080
thank you thank you have a great night so will we be going

1227
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:14,600
over this we can yeah we can schedule meetings we can do whatever I can make

1228
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:18,880
a bigger email at you you sound good thank you absolutely that's what you

1229
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:23,680
emailed me right um I sent you the very first version so if you'd like I can

1230
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:26,020
email it all out to all of you, so you have it.

1231
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:29,340
And you can enlarge your computer as you want to.

1232
01:48:29,540 --> 01:48:29,680
Yeah.

1233
01:48:31,180 --> 01:48:32,340
I'll get that out to you guys.

1234
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:33,460
Thank you.

1235
01:48:34,540 --> 01:48:35,060
I do.

1236
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:36,820
I don't like looking at stuff on the computer.

1237
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:40,140
I like touching it and marking it up.

1238
01:48:45,100 --> 01:48:47,440
I just have one more question.

1239
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:48,060
I'm so sorry.

1240
01:48:48,060 --> 01:48:57,380
Okay, so on the PQ issue, we want to go to once a year on January 1st.

1241
01:48:57,480 --> 01:49:00,540
How difficult is it to move to monthly accrual?

1242
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:02,280
Not very difficult.

1243
01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:07,580
We would just set that up through Paycom and it would hopefully be an automatic thing.

1244
01:49:08,900 --> 01:49:11,880
No, we did not discuss that, but absolutely open to it.

1245
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:21,740
I know some companies will issue the first year up front and then after that then the crew sum every month.

1246
01:49:21,860 --> 01:49:26,980
Okay, that's a thought. Interesting. Alright, thank you.

1247
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:27,740
That protects you.

1248
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:29,380
Thank you.

1249
01:49:29,460 --> 01:49:30,360
It protects you from people.

1250
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:31,720
That makes sense.

1251
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:39,980
J260 oversight committee member appointment discussion presented by Sean Winters.

1252
01:49:39,980 --> 01:49:40,880
Good

1253
01:49:44,370 --> 01:49:46,950
evening, President Madero, members of the board, Sean Winters,

1254
01:49:47,070 --> 01:49:53,130
engineering manager. On October 24th, I attended a Pueblo West Road sales tax

1255
01:49:53,130 --> 01:49:58,130
advisory committee quarterly meeting and one of the things that were mentioned,

1256
01:49:58,370 --> 01:50:02,770
it was mentioned at that meeting, was that one of the committee members has

1257
01:50:02,770 --> 01:50:08,830
not attended any of the meetings and so the committee was asking if they

1258
01:50:08,830 --> 01:50:12,290
They could have Pueblo West reappoint that position.

1259
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:16,730
Pueblo West originally appointed that particular position,

1260
01:50:17,330 --> 01:50:20,850
and they just wanted to know if you would consider that.

1261
01:50:21,670 --> 01:50:24,770
The second thing that did come up,

1262
01:50:24,830 --> 01:50:26,610
I did have one of the committee members

1263
01:50:27,950 --> 01:50:30,690
whose term will expire at the end of the year

1264
01:50:31,190 --> 01:50:32,830
wanted to know what the process was

1265
01:50:32,830 --> 01:50:35,250
going to be for that new term.

1266
01:50:35,250 --> 01:50:41,510
This particular position was jointly appointed by Pueblo County and Pueblo West.

1267
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:49,810
And they do want to continue with involvement with that committee if possible.

1268
01:50:50,190 --> 01:50:54,310
So they were just asking for what the process was for reappointment.

1269
01:50:54,730 --> 01:50:57,070
I don't remember there being a term on that.

1270
01:50:57,790 --> 01:51:00,510
What was the process of selection?

1271
01:51:01,450 --> 01:51:03,330
Was there any kind of evaluation criteria?

1272
01:51:03,330 --> 01:51:09,650
I think we've got all the application names, and each board member recommended two names,

1273
01:51:09,790 --> 01:51:11,970
and the one that got the most votes is how we went.

1274
01:51:13,710 --> 01:51:17,950
We'll have to review all the applications, though, because we've got the whole packet sent to us.

1275
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:20,350
But I don't remember a term when it's on.

1276
01:51:20,930 --> 01:51:29,030
I think that this was done for a stagger, so that you didn't have all of the members changing at the same time.

1277
01:51:30,410 --> 01:51:31,530
I don't remember that at all.

1278
01:51:31,530 --> 01:51:36,430
Okay, so if we could look into that double-check. I'm looking at the I

1279
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:41,130
Didn't see anything in the bowling was describing. I'm just looking at the IGA right now

1280
01:51:41,130 --> 01:51:43,390
I'm not sure if there's I did stumble

1281
01:51:44,430 --> 01:51:45,590
Onto the committee members

1282
01:51:45,590 --> 01:51:51,750
I can't remember if it was on the Pueblo County site and I do believe that this one position does end at the end of the year

1283
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:59,810
But well, she was she the jointly appointed one or was she the one that was from she was jointly jointly appointed

1284
01:51:59,810 --> 01:52:04,630
It's we just say to the county saying this is one we recommend that them

1285
01:52:04,630 --> 01:52:09,810
Send one to I think they're just less over day first. It's just a read-off the

1286
01:52:09,810 --> 01:52:16,590
IGA members of the oversight committee shall serve until a they resign committee be they are moved from the committee by the entity

1287
01:52:16,590 --> 01:52:20,130
Which appointed them or see they are no longer residents within the district

1288
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:25,350
I'll try to find cement she's good on that I thought

1289
01:52:29,810 --> 01:52:34,110
different things. The one has joined the appointment. She thought she had a term

1290
01:52:34,110 --> 01:52:38,570
in it. There's no term in it. Second one is the one that hasn't showed up to

1291
01:52:38,570 --> 01:52:42,270
meetings. I don't know how you guys want to approach that. I don't think if you

1292
01:52:42,270 --> 01:52:45,490
don't have the time and you can't make it, I think we need to do something to

1293
01:52:45,490 --> 01:52:49,250
replace it. Get a new person in that position. I don't know if we can use

1294
01:52:50,250 --> 01:52:53,930
same applications that we got from the last round or we should put that

1295
01:52:53,930 --> 01:53:01,510
back out and see if we can get some new people. John, do we have a record of, you

1296
01:53:01,510 --> 01:53:07,950
gotta recall each board member submitted two names and one that got the most out of

1297
01:53:07,950 --> 01:53:14,890
the five directors was appointed. We have a record of how many down the line, third

1298
01:53:14,890 --> 01:53:19,510
and fourth. Why not just appoint the next one in line that got the most votes?

1299
01:53:20,750 --> 01:53:26,710
From my perspective, you know, those candidates that were available back at that time may

1300
01:53:26,710 --> 01:53:32,670
not be available now, and some people who might want to be interested now might not have been

1301
01:53:32,670 --> 01:53:39,770
able to back then, so it would seem to me like it might be more fair to repost for those

1302
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:51,860
positions.

1303
01:53:53,980 --> 01:53:57,120
Should we should we have that committee try to reach out to that person?

1304
01:53:57,640 --> 01:54:04,840
I think that would be the best order protocol, and then once we receive that letter in the nation, then we move forward with the advertising.

1305
01:54:06,340 --> 01:54:09,400
I would like to advertise and get some new people.

1306
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:13,140
You're not there, and I think we can't get rid of them, but...

1307
01:54:13,140 --> 01:54:18,240
They haven't showed up for one year.

1308
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:19,640
That's my understanding.

1309
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:22,940
Yeah, that's just a vacancy.

1310
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:32,500
There's more to the story, but we'll just leave it like that.

1311
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:42,080
So what's my what's my direction on that post it post it after we get a resident I'd like

1312
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:48,680
to get a resignation letter from to give the benefit of the doubt there's some issues

1313
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:53,580
that I'm not going to ask for a resignation, have the committee ask for a resignation and

1314
01:54:53,580 --> 01:54:54,200
then post it.

1315
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:54,880
Okay.

1316
01:54:55,020 --> 01:54:59,220
How long do you wait before you don't get a resignation?

1317
01:54:59,800 --> 01:54:59,920
Five?

1318
01:55:00,300 --> 01:55:01,020
Five, ten minutes?

1319
01:55:01,180 --> 01:55:01,880
Yeah, fair enough.

1320
01:55:02,300 --> 01:55:06,340
If I could make a recommendation, since it does state that the removal process is either

1321
01:55:06,340 --> 01:55:10,400
they resigned, they're removed by who reported them, or they're no longer residents, perhaps

1322
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:13,500
reach out to them, or direct the committee, or ask the committee to reach out to them.

1323
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:17,220
And if we don't hear about the next board meeting, have the official removal of them

1324
01:55:17,220 --> 01:55:19,740
and notification posted or application posted.

1325
01:55:19,980 --> 01:55:20,780
How often do they meet?

1326
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:21,720
Once a quarter.

1327
01:55:22,540 --> 01:55:26,380
So we would be asking them to do that before their next meeting.

1328
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:28,400
We would ask them to reach out to him,

1329
01:55:28,740 --> 01:55:29,780
put that resignation forward.

1330
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:31,460
If we get that resignation, great.

1331
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:33,060
That allows them that opportunity to do so,

1332
01:55:33,300 --> 01:55:34,320
if not by the next meeting.

1333
01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:35,560
They'll be meeting again in January.

1334
01:55:35,980 --> 01:55:36,120
Correct.

1335
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:40,720
Yeah, I believe the next quarterly meeting is in January.

1336
01:55:42,060 --> 01:55:44,520
That may change to February.

1337
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:47,280
where a, I don't recall if they had a discussion for it,

1338
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:48,820
but just on the time of coming back

1339
01:55:48,820 --> 01:55:49,660
and getting the report ready,

1340
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:51,880
they may have delayed it a month before they did again,

1341
01:55:52,020 --> 01:55:52,720
but I don't recall.

1342
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:54,140
We'll confirm it.

1343
01:55:55,580 --> 01:55:56,580
Thank you.

1344
01:55:56,940 --> 01:55:57,280
Thank you.

1345
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:05,960
J3 RFP 2023 W-002 on call engineering services

1346
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:08,860
for water waste water utility projects

1347
01:56:08,860 --> 01:56:10,180
presented by Jeffery.

1348
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:12,320
Good evening again.

1349
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:22,580
So this RFP, every couple years the Utilities Department puts out an RFP to get proposals from interested engineering firms to do various projects.

1350
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:38,360
This list that was included with our RFP included water and wastewater treatment engineering process modeling, water system modeling, master plan updates, conservation plan updates, pumping treatment.

1351
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:42,760
meant there's a pretty broad scope of work included with this.

1352
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:46,300
And what it helps us do is not have to get pricing and quotes

1353
01:56:46,630 --> 01:56:50,860
and come to the board probably close to hundreds of times

1354
01:56:50,860 --> 01:56:52,060
over the course of a couple years.

1355
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:58,280
So after this RP was posted, the department or procurement

1356
01:56:58,280 --> 01:56:59,580
got six responses.

1357
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:03,000
JVA Consulting Engineers was the highest scoring.

1358
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:05,400
They scored 281 points.

1359
01:57:06,140 --> 01:57:11,580
second place was 261 points and that's three staff members scoring them

1360
01:57:11,580 --> 01:57:16,380
individually and then sending those scores to procurement so it's not none of

1361
01:57:16,380 --> 01:57:21,600
the three staff members that are scoring this know what the other two did so the

1362
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:25,540
department is recommending going with JBA consulting engineers right now it's

1363
01:57:25,540 --> 01:57:30,420
a discussion item there was a included resolution but we will come back in

1364
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:34,460
December for approval if there are any questions now though I'd be happy

1365
01:57:34,460 --> 01:57:37,860
answer them. Questions from the board? Start with Joe.

1366
01:57:42,180 --> 01:57:44,520
There's no reason you guys don't have any

1367
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:53,180
problem with JVA. No, we've never had any problems with them. Have you had any problems with the

1368
01:57:53,180 --> 01:58:00,760
public or anybody involved? With the public. Well, I'm not sure what you mean. Sorry.

1369
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:12,340
I guess they don't deal with the public then at all. When they make presentations,

1370
01:58:12,340 --> 01:58:16,400
It's always in-house with the utilities people.

1371
01:58:18,260 --> 01:58:22,360
They have presented at board meetings before, but it's not very often,

1372
01:58:24,740 --> 01:58:26,220
but not general just

1373
01:58:26,220 --> 01:58:30,240
open public meetings, if that's what you're asking.

1374
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:35,100
What's the value of the RFP?

1375
01:58:36,180 --> 01:58:41,800
Some of the scopes or work orders I put in the staff report, they range from about

1376
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:48,400
about $80,000 individually and there's no set limit, there's no minimum either, they're

1377
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:52,820
not guaranteed work. What we generally use them for now is the water looping mains that

1378
01:58:52,820 --> 01:58:57,980
you heard me come back for construction approval for. That's because the on-call services

1379
01:58:57,980 --> 01:59:04,440
already did the design for. They've done some water modeling for us, GIS mapping,

1380
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:09,160
pressure

1381
01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:12,980
common one is the water looping stuff the water mains they're

1382
01:59:16,910 --> 01:59:18,190
the current they

1383
01:59:18,190 --> 01:59:22,930
are the current one yeah since 2020 yes the last one was 2020 with three years

1384
01:59:22,930 --> 01:59:30,970
renewable this one is potentially 2024 and two years renewable so through 2026 so

1385
01:59:30,970 --> 01:59:38,830
in the course of a year do we pay more than what we're allowed to for by

1386
01:59:38,830 --> 01:59:40,670
statute? I mean do

1387
01:59:43,010 --> 01:59:46,430
we have to go by each individual project? I mean don't Jack

1388
01:59:46,430 --> 01:59:51,490
put something out the bit if it's more than $60,000 or do I go up to $120,000?

1389
01:59:52,090 --> 01:59:56,410
More than $30,000. More than $30,000. Okay so what I'm saying is that you

1390
01:59:56,410 --> 01:59:59,770
can't just blindly give them a $80,000 project.

1391
02:00:00,270 --> 02:00:01,870
Without putting out the bid.

1392
02:00:02,090 --> 02:00:17,370
Before, I think the biggest ones before were 60 because that was the district manager, I guess, spending limit, but I put 80,000 here because potentially for inflation through the next couple of years.

1393
02:00:18,110 --> 02:00:24,230
I know, but still, if it's a 30,000 before it has to go out the bid, the district manager can't overrule that.

1394
02:00:27,750 --> 02:00:34,490
So you can have a general contract like this, as long as the scope of work is included, if

1395
02:00:34,490 --> 02:00:39,990
you don't deviate from that, you know, within the RFP, you can have multiple projects.

1396
02:00:40,510 --> 02:00:44,810
But they can't, you have multiple projects, but the project itself can't go over the

1397
02:00:44,810 --> 02:00:48,950
spending limit without the state law kicking in saying you have to put it to ARC to bid?

1398
02:00:49,750 --> 02:00:53,950
It's usually an RFP documentation, usually about 10%.

1399
02:00:54,510 --> 02:00:57,610
I mean, the question you pose is an interesting one,

1400
02:00:57,770 --> 02:01:00,150
which is what is the scope of this project?

1401
02:01:00,770 --> 02:01:03,890
Is this project for on-call engineering services

1402
02:01:03,890 --> 02:01:11,070
or do we need to bid out the actual contract

1403
02:01:11,070 --> 02:01:13,490
for each individual service?

1404
02:01:13,750 --> 02:01:17,970
This is sort of in the nature of an omnibus contract

1405
02:01:17,970 --> 02:01:26,490
to pick up not large projects but ongoing projects that the water team would have

1406
02:01:26,490 --> 02:01:34,170
that we're going through the contracting process is consumptive of a large

1407
02:01:34,170 --> 02:01:40,150
amount of staff time where going through the process does not at least in

1408
02:01:40,150 --> 02:01:48,490
theory give value to the district and so that a contract like this for on-call

1409
02:01:48,490 --> 02:01:55,430
engineering services as long as it's closely circumscribed in terms of the

1410
02:01:55,430 --> 02:01:59,490
services that are available and the amount that would be paid should be

1411
02:01:59,490 --> 02:02:02,610
proper. Yeah I just want to make sure all our

1412
02:02:02,610 --> 02:02:08,690
ducts are in a row. I think I mean we can certainly address that in the

1413
02:02:08,690 --> 02:02:13,730
resolution. But your question is a good one. What are we, what are we bidding for?

1414
02:02:14,030 --> 02:02:18,270
We've got the bid that's already gone out. We've got scoring that's already been

1415
02:02:18,270 --> 02:02:22,590
done. We can take one more look at it, but the resolution should be tailored to

1416
02:02:22,590 --> 02:02:27,650
make sure that it falls within appropriate staff statements. So there's

1417
02:02:27,650 --> 02:02:31,150
one thing I just need to bring up. I hate to be a stakeholder just but I

1418
02:02:31,150 --> 02:02:35,890
know we follow a lot of the same roles with what I do and what you

1419
02:02:37,270 --> 02:02:45,070
I know the evaluation criteria cost has to be the highest percentage score.

1420
02:02:46,210 --> 02:02:48,330
I don't set those parameters.

1421
02:02:49,270 --> 02:02:51,050
Procurement sets the regulations.

1422
02:02:51,050 --> 02:02:52,270
Isn't that in our regulations?

1423
02:02:53,810 --> 02:02:54,810
Procurement regulations?

1424
02:02:55,610 --> 02:02:57,970
I don't think it's in the regulations now.

1425
02:02:58,290 --> 02:03:00,070
My understanding was that for RFPs-

1426
02:03:00,070 --> 02:03:01,450
You probably need to look at that.

1427
02:03:02,210 --> 02:03:09,010
Yeah, my understanding was that for RFP's request for proposals that pricing was submitted separately. It was my understanding

1428
02:03:11,950 --> 02:03:14,170
RFP should have a contract value

1429
02:03:16,350 --> 02:03:22,550
But yeah, so I know when I when I put out an RFP and I utilize the scoring criteria

1430
02:03:24,410 --> 02:03:28,790
Costs has to be the most weighted item in the evaluation criteria

1431
02:03:39,850 --> 02:03:40,530
any

1432
02:03:45,580 --> 02:03:53,460
other questions thank you j4 utilities department grants update

1433
02:03:53,460 --> 02:03:58,980
presented by Jeffrey yep I just wanted to come give the board a quick update on a

1434
02:03:58,980 --> 02:04:04,320
few grand opportunities that we've had without getting too technical the lead

1435
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:10,680
and copper rule revision that will take effect next year forces us to have an

1436
02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:14,240
inventory it's basically one huge spreadsheet of every service line that

1437
02:04:14,240 --> 02:04:21,480
that we have that is labor intensive so we apply for a grant and we've heard preliminarily

1438
02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:28,520
that it was successful that the state is setting us up with the purchase order and that would

1439
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:33,300
be $36,000 so that's fairly imminent even though we haven't gotten official word.

1440
02:04:33,700 --> 02:04:35,540
They have told us that they're preparing that documentation.

1441
02:04:36,460 --> 02:04:45,920
After the first of the year, we're also going to apply for what is called a Water Supply

1442
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:50,840
Reserve Fund Grant, and that will help fund the engineering and design portion of the

1443
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:54,860
mobile home area that we're budgeting for design for next year.

1444
02:04:55,740 --> 02:05:01,240
So right now, that's looking like the entire cost might be around $300,000.

1445
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:03,840
So we'll probably ask for a grant of around $200,000.

1446
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:09,580
You could ask for up to 75%, but you're more likely to get more money if you do it a little bit lower, so maybe 66%.

1447
02:05:09,580 --> 02:05:17,860
But we'd probably come to the board with another update with an ask, ask the board for what we should ask for officially after the first year.

1448
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:26,080
But that's what we're planning to do. It does slow down our process and design because we have to apply in February, beginning of February,

1449
02:05:26,540 --> 02:05:33,000
but we won't find out until July if we're successful. So that's what we're planning to do. And that's what we've done so far.

1450
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:37,160
So thank you just want to give the board an update questions comments

1451
02:05:38,260 --> 02:05:40,480
Good job. Yeah, thanks. Thanks

1452
02:05:45,540 --> 02:05:46,100
J5

1453
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:51,180
Board of Director compensation presented by Joe Mahaney

1454
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:52,560
as

1455
02:06:03,310 --> 02:06:04,710
I understand it we get

1456
02:06:05,750 --> 02:06:12,750
$50 for every board meeting scheduled board meeting that we attend and we could be paid as much as a hundred

1457
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,480
So long as the total for the year doesn't exceed

1458
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:22,600
$2,400, is it, Christian?

1459
02:06:25,260 --> 02:06:25,780
You

1460
02:06:29,580 --> 02:06:30,900
know, considering the,

1461
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:33,400
we're going to give 4%

1462
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:35,360
cost of living increase

1463
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:38,760
to all of the employees,

1464
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:43,000
but the Board of Directors are still sitting here

1465
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:44,180
at 50 bucks a month,

1466
02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:45,680
or 50 bucks a meeting.

1467
02:06:48,010 --> 02:06:49,170
You guys are leaving us out.

1468
02:06:50,590 --> 02:06:52,410
We want to raise, or I do,

1469
02:06:52,410 --> 02:06:54,550
I can't take it for yourself.

1470
02:06:55,650 --> 02:06:56,170
Fair.

1471
02:06:56,430 --> 02:07:02,210
So I appreciate Katrina that prepared a little bit of a staff report with some of the context

1472
02:07:02,210 --> 02:07:04,430
and some of the analysis.

1473
02:07:05,150 --> 02:07:05,990
Joe is correct.

1474
02:07:06,530 --> 02:07:09,230
Right now is set at $50 per meeting.

1475
02:07:10,170 --> 02:07:14,630
The two stipulations within the statutes as you can't, as a board of director member,

1476
02:07:14,770 --> 02:07:18,610
can't make more than $2,400 in a year or more than $100 per meeting.

1477
02:07:18,610 --> 02:07:25,690
meeting. We typically have 23 scheduled meetings per year for the regular meetings. One of those

1478
02:07:25,690 --> 02:07:30,970
is usually as we just did tonight. Taking off, that's the November one. So for 22 regular

1479
02:07:30,970 --> 02:07:38,050
meetings and we have sometimes between maybe an average of five or more special meetings

1480
02:07:38,050 --> 02:07:43,950
throughout the year. The breakdown of some of that, apologies, one other fact to it

1481
02:07:43,950 --> 02:07:51,090
is right now the Board of Directors does receive a compensation in accordance of $30 per month

1482
02:07:51,090 --> 02:07:56,230
for travel arrangements. This is not a reimbursed expense for actual expenses, so therefore it

1483
02:07:56,230 --> 02:08:04,190
is calculated as part of that overall compensation. So with that, the analysis that Katrina was

1484
02:08:04,190 --> 02:08:10,490
so kindly did showed the average of meetings in the past was at 3 years, was about 31 meetings

1485
02:08:10,490 --> 02:08:16,910
per year and did a little bit of a comparison of how much could that equate to for the rate

1486
02:08:16,910 --> 02:08:22,350
of pay for meeting if you included that $30 a month for the travel arrangements or if

1487
02:08:22,350 --> 02:08:23,790
you took it out and what that equate to.

1488
02:08:24,110 --> 02:08:31,970
So with that, correct me if I'm wrong if I'm reading it, somewhere between the $80

1489
02:08:32,690 --> 02:08:38,610
per meeting depending on whether you kept that $30 a month travel allowance was kind

1490
02:08:38,610 --> 02:08:42,290
factored in to make sure that you could still continue to do those 31 meetings per year

1491
02:08:42,290 --> 02:08:48,010
without risking or too much risk to having meetings that you would be expected to attend

1492
02:08:48,010 --> 02:08:48,570
without pay.

1493
02:08:51,040 --> 02:08:54,600
If you look at the last page of that staff report, it actually has a breakdown.

1494
02:08:55,200 --> 02:09:03,120
So if based on the average of 31 meetings per year, if that $30 monthly travel allowance was to

1495
02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:10,580
be kept, then you could potentially go up to $65 per meeting and not risk having not

1496
02:09:10,580 --> 02:09:15,780
be paid a meeting if you kept it at 31 meetings let's say for instance we were

1497
02:09:15,780 --> 02:09:21,060
to go 32 33 meetings I think it was in 22 the board of directors actually held

1498
02:09:21,060 --> 02:09:26,140
36 meetings so you do run a risk of potentially not being paid for a

1499
02:09:26,140 --> 02:09:30,540
meeting but you could go to up 65 if you kept that travel monthly travel

1500
02:09:30,540 --> 02:09:33,680
allowance if you went without that monthly travel allowance you could

1501
02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:34,800
potentially go up to $75.

1502
02:09:40,430 --> 02:09:41,870
Questions from the board, Bill?

1503
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:45,670
I don't have any questions.

1504
02:09:48,580 --> 02:09:50,480
And I don't think any of us are here

1505
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:52,960
because we make exorbitant amounts of money.

1506
02:09:55,020 --> 02:09:59,600
But with that being said, the $50 has been in place since at least

1507
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:03,560
2006 that I can recall.

1508
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:07,040
But we're doing 80, right?

1509
02:10:07,340 --> 02:10:09,420
In essence, we're getting $80 a month.

1510
02:10:10,700 --> 02:10:15,300
If you drop the $30 and go to 75, we're taking a pay cut.

1511
02:10:16,500 --> 02:10:19,680
If you attend both for the month, it would be $130.

1512
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:23,460
I think it's $50 per meeting and then $30 travel allowance.

1513
02:10:24,120 --> 02:10:24,340
Correct.

1514
02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:27,080
Oh yeah, there you go.

1515
02:10:29,340 --> 02:10:29,540
I

1516
02:10:32,170 --> 02:10:36,250
certainly

1517
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:42,190
didn't run for this full seat in the paycheck.

1518
02:10:42,990 --> 02:10:49,290
I think I get $46 every meeting put into my account.

1519
02:10:51,660 --> 02:10:57,860
At the end of the year, I donate it all back to the Parks and Recs so that they can put on an employee appreciation party.

1520
02:10:58,180 --> 02:11:03,220
So if for some how I get out voted with this field and put on a better party this year,

1521
02:11:03,300 --> 02:11:06,840
I'll give it all to Carol as well, like I have the last five years.

1522
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:11,560
And I certainly won't support or raise from the board of directors.

1523
02:11:15,450 --> 02:11:23,650
I think we're put in these positions to lead and to serve, not to serve ourselves, that's

1524
02:11:23,650 --> 02:11:24,390
just my opinion.

1525
02:11:25,670 --> 02:11:31,790
Anything that I make from the board goes directly to Carol and also to the fireworks.

1526
02:11:33,230 --> 02:11:34,770
How do I say it?

1527
02:11:36,090 --> 02:11:36,690
No.

1528
02:11:37,870 --> 02:11:38,890
The processing fee.

1529
02:11:39,430 --> 02:11:39,990
Processing fee.

1530
02:11:40,050 --> 02:11:40,650
Thank you.

1531
02:11:41,410 --> 02:11:44,450
So that way we can take donations and stuff online.

1532
02:11:45,990 --> 02:11:47,770
I too won't support that, but...

1533
02:11:48,190 --> 02:11:49,510
This is just discussion, right?

1534
02:11:49,810 --> 02:11:49,950
Yep.

1535
02:11:52,810 --> 02:11:55,830
So, we knew what the pay was when we signed up.

1536
02:11:57,350 --> 02:12:02,610
I don't think we should just change it to benefit ourselves, but that's just my opinion.

1537
02:12:05,890 --> 02:12:10,390
So, I guess it'll come back to the next meeting or table

1538
02:12:13,780 --> 02:12:14,000
it.

1539
02:12:14,100 --> 02:12:14,760
What do you guys want to do?

1540
02:12:15,100 --> 02:12:15,920
I guess get a consensus.

1541
02:12:17,240 --> 02:12:19,620
Yeah, just to see if we're going to bring it back or not.

1542
02:12:24,340 --> 02:12:26,340
I guess I'll just leave it to Jill on that.

1543
02:12:30,530 --> 02:12:35,710
If I decide I want to make it a motion, it will be at the next meeting.

1544
02:12:36,090 --> 02:12:38,970
So this was just a discussion item.

1545
02:12:39,710 --> 02:12:39,950
Correct.

1546
02:12:42,630 --> 02:12:47,610
On the J6 follow-up discussion, admin building committee and scheduling future work session.

1547
02:12:48,430 --> 02:12:49,110
Christian Hyde.

1548
02:12:49,510 --> 02:12:50,150
Good evening again.

1549
02:12:50,150 --> 02:12:56,390
So, just to follow up, at the last meeting we had a discussion item to talk about administration

1550
02:12:56,390 --> 02:13:00,070
building committees, some of the topics we had kind of encountered during it, and get

1551
02:13:00,070 --> 02:13:04,310
a little bit of initial feedback from the board of directors about what we had found

1552
02:13:04,310 --> 02:13:05,750
and what we were looking for as far as guidance.

1553
02:13:06,390 --> 02:13:11,390
We're bringing it back mostly for discussion, including full board, and as far as meeting

1554
02:13:11,390 --> 02:13:14,690
with the administration building committees since then to go over some of the facts

1555
02:13:14,690 --> 02:13:17,830
figures and a little bit of the analysis we have been doing up to that point.

1556
02:13:18,830 --> 02:13:24,410
with that. The first thing I kind of wanted to get, whether buying or just

1557
02:13:24,410 --> 02:13:27,870
discussion about is we contemplated whether it would be valuable to have a

1558
02:13:27,870 --> 02:13:32,950
work session with the full board and a compliment of mostly the full senior

1559
02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:36,790
staff to really discuss and you know get feedback from hey how much this cost

1560
02:13:36,790 --> 02:13:39,370
what does it really mean for us how does it affect us operationally what is

1561
02:13:39,370 --> 02:13:43,390
it that we want what is it we think you want to be able to discuss you

1562
02:13:43,390 --> 02:13:47,330
know at length and detail some of those kind of concerns or comments

1563
02:13:47,330 --> 02:13:52,650
that have come up since we've talked about a future administration building and just starting

1564
02:13:52,650 --> 02:13:58,030
off with that if there would be any discussion or interest in doing so and having that work

1565
02:13:58,030 --> 02:13:58,290
session.

1566
02:14:00,300 --> 02:14:08,260
I think it's important that we have a work session and go over options, concepts, ideas

1567
02:14:08,260 --> 02:14:10,080
with the full board.

1568
02:14:13,370 --> 02:14:16,490
Is there any opposition if rescheduled a work session?

1569
02:14:16,490 --> 02:14:28,950
So what that would look like is to clarify, there has been a request to be timely and put energy behind this, looking for progress, decisions, and idea of a plan.

1570
02:14:29,610 --> 02:14:37,550
We've contemplated whether we could do something before the end of the year, but that would look like probably a special meeting sometime within the next six weeks that we've got.

1571
02:14:38,610 --> 02:14:43,690
With that, I don't know the availability. I understand we're towards holidays, we're towards pretty busy times of the year,

1572
02:14:43,690 --> 02:14:47,070
but setting aside maybe an hour and a half to be able to have a work session

1573
02:14:47,070 --> 02:14:50,870
is that something that we could potentially foresee before the end of the year

1574
02:14:50,870 --> 02:14:51,990
with people's schedule?

1575
02:14:54,270 --> 02:14:59,830
Yeah, I'm good with that. I would like to have, if it's possible, some

1576
02:15:01,380 --> 02:15:08,340
Contractors there as well. Possibly have them bring some conceptual ideas of what a new building

1577
02:15:08,340 --> 02:15:16,840
could look like versus retrofitting 63-spalding and adding to it versus plan C, DE, or whatever.

1578
02:15:18,720 --> 02:15:23,160
So that we know exactly what we're talking about. I mean, otherwise we're just talking

1579
02:15:23,160 --> 02:15:28,520
about cost. And if cost is the only thing driving us, then of course we should go with

1580
02:15:28,520 --> 02:15:34,260
the cheapest option. But if we're looking at, you know, expanding on that Pupilus brand,

1581
02:15:35,580 --> 02:15:40,880
that's a totally different concept. And we could do that without an enormous amount

1582
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:45,040
of cost, but it's still going to cost more than taking an old building and trying to,

1583
02:15:46,340 --> 02:15:47,920
you know, squeeze everybody in.

1584
02:15:51,650 --> 02:15:55,470
So is it possible to get local contractors or designers

1585
02:15:55,470 --> 02:15:57,070
to draw up something?

1586
02:15:57,330 --> 02:16:01,510
Actually, I talked to a couple just to get some input

1587
02:16:01,510 --> 02:16:04,950
and see what they could come up with.

1588
02:16:05,050 --> 02:16:10,470
So I have reached out to a few to see the conceptual costs

1589
02:16:11,050 --> 02:16:11,910
that they're looking at.

1590
02:16:12,290 --> 02:16:13,730
Because we're just shooting in the dark.

1591
02:16:14,610 --> 02:16:18,350
We've got some, you know, Christian did some research

1592
02:16:18,350 --> 02:16:21,510
looking at costs online.

1593
02:16:21,510 --> 02:16:27,970
but I personally think we can do better than what what these are are saying

1594
02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:34,590
especially for the size of building that we kind of determined that we need we've

1595
02:16:34,590 --> 02:16:40,510
come down from 15,000 especially if you incorporate people that aren't going to

1596
02:16:40,510 --> 02:16:46,190
be working at the office you know if you're doing some of this tele telework

1597
02:16:46,990 --> 02:16:50,650
which I think the whole board should have input you know talking about and

1598
02:16:50,650 --> 02:16:57,350
And seeing what what size building we actually need with we may be able to get a building down to 9,000 square feet 10,000 square feet

1599
02:16:58,010 --> 02:17:04,050
We did we did trade for a nice piece of ground up on Civic Center for that specific purpose or

1600
02:17:04,050 --> 02:17:09,510
Something like that. So I think that would be something that we should you know diligently look at

1601
02:17:09,510 --> 02:17:15,850
I mean not just say oh, it's too much and we can't do it. Well, I think that's the purpose of the work session, correct

1602
02:17:16,830 --> 02:17:17,310
Yeah

1603
02:17:17,310 --> 02:17:18,390
to have all of these out.

1604
02:17:19,650 --> 02:17:24,050
Now, getting contractors there, I'd probably have to...

1605
02:17:24,050 --> 02:17:26,090
I don't know if you probably talked to a chairman or something.

1606
02:17:26,090 --> 02:17:27,690
I want to make sure we're not doing nothing.

1607
02:17:27,810 --> 02:17:29,390
The only concern generally we would have

1608
02:17:29,390 --> 02:17:32,430
is we don't want to provide an avenue for somebody

1609
02:17:32,430 --> 02:17:34,030
to have an unfair competitive advantage

1610
02:17:34,030 --> 02:17:35,110
when it comes to that conversation

1611
02:17:35,110 --> 02:17:37,490
that might come up with us going out for the bid.

1612
02:17:38,170 --> 02:17:39,770
Having folks, you know, whether they tend to say,

1613
02:17:39,910 --> 02:17:42,650
comments to just provide information to the board

1614
02:17:42,650 --> 02:17:44,650
or say, hey, within my three minutes time, you know,

1615
02:17:45,230 --> 02:17:49,390
I'm somebody who does this for a living here is kind of my thoughts on it or what you're looking for

1616
02:17:50,310 --> 02:17:54,650
But we might have to have just a conversation of whether we would allow them to participate in that work session at face

1617
02:17:54,650 --> 02:18:00,650
At the level we might be looking for them to do which provide a little bit more like valuable information as far as if you're

1618
02:18:00,650 --> 02:18:02,930
Looking to do this conceptually this might be what it costs

1619
02:18:02,930 --> 02:18:08,410
Or this might be how we look or what the limitations might be if you're looking at this piece of land versus this piece of property

1620
02:18:09,350 --> 02:18:14,150
So we might owe you an IOU on how that might work out and whether we could do that within the next month or so

1621
02:18:14,650 --> 02:18:15,610
that you might have heard, thank you.

1622
02:18:16,590 --> 02:18:19,230
People are sure, definitely understand the interest there.

1623
02:18:20,230 --> 02:18:22,390
So that would require a special meeting then?

1624
02:18:22,570 --> 02:18:23,790
Are we trying to get a date?

1625
02:18:24,570 --> 02:18:26,950
Yeah, if there's a time within the next six weeks

1626
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:28,150
that works for all.

1627
02:18:28,910 --> 02:18:30,810
And if there is, it sounds like there is an interest,

1628
02:18:31,210 --> 02:18:32,250
not to jump the gun there,

1629
02:18:32,350 --> 02:18:34,850
but to have that work session then, yeah.

1630
02:18:34,910 --> 02:18:36,170
Would we also have the results

1631
02:18:36,170 --> 02:18:38,210
of the survey that was put out?

1632
02:18:38,650 --> 02:18:39,510
I think so.

1633
02:18:39,710 --> 02:18:42,310
I believe we put that out for the goal was two weeks.

1634
02:18:42,310 --> 02:18:45,910
I think within the next, you know week we'll have that finalized

1635
02:18:49,460 --> 02:18:51,480
dates anybody

1636
02:18:53,260 --> 02:18:54,920
I'm in favor of a work session

1637
02:18:57,480 --> 02:18:57,980
Just

1638
02:19:01,440 --> 02:19:09,700
make sure you're on time Joe joint meeting on the 19th 13th 11th,

1639
02:19:11,780 --> 02:19:13,900
so any of any other time

1640
02:19:13,900 --> 02:19:17,140
I would prefer not to do it on Christmas Eve or Christmas

1641
02:19:27,450 --> 02:19:31,550
I would say

1642
02:19:37,220 --> 02:19:42,660
I've removed myself from the Civic Building Committee out of a bunch of caution.

1643
02:19:43,320 --> 02:19:50,780
I traded with Director Madero so you shouldn't plan this work session around my schedule.

1644
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:17,640
I believe that's appropriate director prole in keeping with absolute transparency and

1645
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:23,120
scrupulous avoidance of even the appearance of any impropriety that does

1646
02:20:23,120 --> 02:20:30,680
make sense to me so I think that would be appropriate and it's one fewer meeting

1647
02:20:30,680 --> 02:20:36,580
that you have to attend. It's not fair. I'm gonna re-cheese myself as well so I

1648
02:20:36,580 --> 02:20:42,800
cannot have to know. So December 8th? I have a does rock management meeting

1649
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:46,380
10 to noon on the 8th, so anytime around that I could do it.

1650
02:20:48,740 --> 02:20:49,480
10 to noon?

1651
02:20:49,640 --> 02:20:50,180
10 to noon.

1652
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:51,660
It probably would be a hour.

1653
02:20:51,780 --> 02:20:51,980
Is it local?

1654
02:20:52,400 --> 02:20:53,140
It's a Zoom meeting.

1655
02:20:57,680 --> 02:20:58,720
What do I have the 8th on?

1656
02:20:58,860 --> 02:20:59,260
What do I have?

1657
02:20:59,740 --> 02:21:01,200
I was going to ask you, I don't have that.

1658
02:21:01,620 --> 02:21:02,120
That's a 13.

1659
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:03,980
It's a Zoom too, isn't it?

1660
02:21:04,220 --> 02:21:04,340
Yeah.

1661
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:06,860
We might have tentatively-

1662
02:21:06,860 --> 02:21:07,680
Friday the 8th.

1663
02:21:07,780 --> 02:21:08,500
I think-

1664
02:21:08,500 --> 02:21:10,100
I was looking at November, sorry.

1665
02:21:11,220 --> 02:21:16,020
I thought the December 8th was for the counties meeting that they might need prior to,

1666
02:21:16,200 --> 02:21:16,760
but I'm not sure.

1667
02:21:17,260 --> 02:21:17,940
We could follow up.

1668
02:21:17,940 --> 02:21:19,580
Friday the 8th of December work for me

1669
02:21:24,330 --> 02:21:27,950
preference be for morning or afternoon December 8th morning for me

1670
02:21:30,010 --> 02:21:35,210
First thing morning shoot for 8 a.m. That way if there is something that comes up at 10 that would give time to

1671
02:21:35,630 --> 02:21:37,550
No, it's I was looking at the wrong. Okay

1672
02:21:38,430 --> 02:21:44,530
You can you can go nine. Give you a chance to get in there 830. Okay, not nine o'clock December nine o'clock

1673
02:21:47,790 --> 02:21:51,870
Okay, we'll schedule that the only other thing I wanted to bring up for admin

1674
02:21:51,870 --> 02:21:55,650
building committee kind of this out order was sorry the updates just you know

1675
02:21:55,650 --> 02:21:59,030
share the general consensus and discussion we had at the last one we did

1676
02:21:59,030 --> 02:22:02,470
hear that at the time seems that the board is more interested in building

1677
02:22:02,470 --> 02:22:05,850
new or looking in building new with that there has been comments or

1678
02:22:05,850 --> 02:22:09,950
considerations for what that look like as far as building what might be the

1679
02:22:09,950 --> 02:22:12,370
priorities there whether it is cost whether is branding whether is

1680
02:22:12,370 --> 02:22:16,150
marketing, whether it's location, and then considerations even for, you know,

1681
02:22:16,210 --> 02:22:19,670
currently with being in a lease, is it more cost-effective to make a purchase

1682
02:22:19,670 --> 02:22:24,010
offer, depending on the timeline associated with building that future

1683
02:22:24,010 --> 02:22:30,570
building. So those conversation topics came up. I'm just gonna update that on my

1684
02:22:30,570 --> 02:22:35,810
apologies. Committee reports, but thanks for for helping me out with that.

1685
02:22:36,090 --> 02:22:39,370
Absolutely. But yeah, that's all. Just if there's any other discussion about

1686
02:22:39,370 --> 02:22:40,870
Otherwise, we'll plan for a work session.

1687
02:22:41,550 --> 02:22:43,350
We'll definitely bring our information

1688
02:22:43,350 --> 02:22:45,770
and our folks to be able to either answer questions

1689
02:22:45,770 --> 02:22:46,890
or help guide the discussion

1690
02:22:46,890 --> 02:22:49,550
or help understand where you all might have us

1691
02:22:49,550 --> 02:22:51,390
working towards figuring out some answers

1692
02:22:51,390 --> 02:22:52,430
or some thoughts to it.

1693
02:22:52,990 --> 02:22:53,690
And then other than that,

1694
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:54,590
I just look forward to the discussion.

1695
02:22:55,790 --> 02:22:56,350
Thank you.

1696
02:22:59,630 --> 02:23:02,390
J7, By-law Revision, presented by Christian Hyde.

1697
02:23:03,810 --> 02:23:04,750
This one's real quick.

1698
02:23:05,290 --> 02:23:06,970
Just confirming the timeline with it.

1699
02:23:07,570 --> 02:23:08,550
That's generally what we said.

1700
02:23:08,670 --> 02:23:10,610
I think we might be maybe a week or two behind.

1701
02:23:10,610 --> 02:23:17,370
behind though we have built into that timeline some time for ketchup, but we did get initial comments from some

1702
02:23:17,830 --> 02:23:23,610
There are some additional folks who have already notified me that they either didn't have an opportunity to look at it or due to some

1703
02:23:23,610 --> 02:23:25,650
Recent changes, they'd like to take another look at it

1704
02:23:25,650 --> 02:23:29,510
But we are starting to collect that and then we did just want to confirm

1705
02:23:29,510 --> 02:23:33,210
We have director vickers as essentially a board member representative for that committee

1706
02:23:33,210 --> 02:23:38,650
They'll start establishing to look at all the revisions that have been proposed so far in any additional comments and

1707
02:23:38,650 --> 02:23:43,790
And move forward from there with the hope that we can get something presented to the board in January and improve by February

1708
02:23:45,450 --> 02:23:47,330
Questions from the board. Thank

1709
02:23:50,590 --> 02:23:56,840
you Christian again Christian number eight timing of executive session

1710
02:23:57,620 --> 02:23:59,820
So this has come up in discussion recently

1711
02:24:00,360 --> 02:24:05,000
Right now executive session as indicated on the agenda and as Wally walking in

1712
02:24:05,620 --> 02:24:10,720
Comes after the regular session with that previously. It had been before

1713
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:25,280
And then if there was anything not covered before, what ended up happening is a German of the exact session convening the regular meeting and then reconvening after during the regular session or reconvening the executive session if there's anything that didn't get covered before the meeting.

1714
02:24:26,140 --> 02:24:38,300
What we've encountered recently is just that there's a couple of things that can come up based on that that can either cause complications for being able to produce results for that item that might come up.

1715
02:24:38,300 --> 02:24:40,300
or just from the staff time and discussing,

1716
02:24:40,700 --> 02:24:44,000
you know, is there something that could be done beforehand

1717
02:24:44,480 --> 02:24:46,360
that might be able to save on that sense.

1718
02:24:46,740 --> 02:24:49,020
So the issues with the current protocol that we have,

1719
02:24:50,360 --> 02:24:52,800
anytime that we have an item in executive session

1720
02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:54,860
pairing with a discussion item in public session,

1721
02:24:55,440 --> 02:24:57,880
as the executive session follows after,

1722
02:24:58,280 --> 02:24:59,920
it can be difficult when the board may wanna utilize

1723
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:01,460
that executive session to gain knowledge

1724
02:25:01,460 --> 02:25:03,620
before they discuss it in an open session.

1725
02:25:04,040 --> 02:25:06,140
When it is a public session action item instead,

1726
02:25:06,140 --> 02:25:10,820
Instead there can be an issue where if we have a public session, wanted to bring something

1727
02:25:10,820 --> 02:25:13,980
for action, but we knew that there might be an ensuing executive session item.

1728
02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:16,680
We can't just bring it for action without having that discussion.

1729
02:25:16,900 --> 02:25:19,980
So what ends up happening is we prepare for executive session and then wait two to three

1730
02:25:19,980 --> 02:25:23,440
weeks before we have an ensuing meeting to provide that action so we can delay

1731
02:25:23,440 --> 02:25:24,220
a little bit of process.

1732
02:25:25,260 --> 02:25:29,560
When we've had this recent instance with the PFAS settlement, if we ever coordinate

1733
02:25:29,560 --> 02:25:33,660
for somebody to attend executive session who's not a staff member, it's a little

1734
02:25:33,660 --> 02:25:37,020
bit more difficult to coordinate for them if we don't know exactly the start time of

1735
02:25:37,020 --> 02:25:40,400
the executive session because it follows the regular session meeting which can also

1736
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:44,740
improve costs if there's somebody that we pay on an hourly basis for their time and

1737
02:25:44,740 --> 02:25:50,280
then in general just as we have had the executive session tail at the end of it it does lengthen

1738
02:25:50,280 --> 02:25:54,300
obviously the total time we spend within the meeting that otherwise if we did have

1739
02:25:54,300 --> 02:25:57,960
it beforehand we would be able to get folks who are just there for the executive session

1740
02:25:57,960 --> 02:26:04,720
there, discuss their item, get the input from the board and then have them depart before,

1741
02:26:05,020 --> 02:26:08,760
you know, even when the recent hour is getting darker, just the general safety concern that

1742
02:26:08,760 --> 02:26:12,740
can come with folks who are staying later, driving wherever they may drive to home.

1743
02:26:13,320 --> 02:26:18,100
As we know, most accidents occur closer to home than they do on something like I-25, though

1744
02:26:18,100 --> 02:26:19,360
I will speak from personal experience.

1745
02:26:19,640 --> 02:26:20,580
I-25 is not great either.

1746
02:26:21,720 --> 02:26:24,060
With that, we just want to bring that up.

1747
02:26:24,400 --> 02:26:26,660
At the time I was decided to move it to the end.

1748
02:26:26,660 --> 02:26:31,940
And I recall that, you know, that was made in that discussion of bringing the actual regular

1749
02:26:31,940 --> 02:26:33,340
session to 6 p.m.

1750
02:26:33,660 --> 02:26:38,000
The reason for that, excuse me, the reason for that was to allow more opportunity for

1751
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:39,220
attendance within that regular meeting.

1752
02:26:39,400 --> 02:26:42,320
However, normally the public does not attend the executive session.

1753
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:45,860
So with that, would it make, is there any reason to bring it to the after?

1754
02:26:46,180 --> 02:26:49,320
So we're just bringing up the conversation, discussion to share those concerns, but

1755
02:26:49,320 --> 02:26:50,180
open for discussion.

1756
02:26:52,370 --> 02:26:53,350
Questions from the board?

1757
02:26:53,990 --> 02:26:54,690
Start with Joe.

1758
02:26:56,430 --> 02:26:56,830
Comments?

1759
02:26:56,830 --> 02:27:04,730
well I think we can schedule either before or after that justification of why

1760
02:27:04,730 --> 02:27:05,930
we want to do it.

1761
02:27:08,440 --> 02:27:14,560
Bill? Yeah I have no issues with having them before the public

1762
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:18,800
six-clock meeting. I don't believe that was the necessarily the intent of the

1763
02:27:18,800 --> 02:27:24,460
app motion at that time. It was mostly mostly to change the meeting time to six

1764
02:27:24,460 --> 02:27:28,880
so yeah I'm okay with executive sessions whatever works best for you

1765
02:27:32,580 --> 02:27:34,600
I'm okay with having it earlier. It's fine.

1766
02:27:35,560 --> 02:27:39,120
I've always supported having it before the meeting. I have no problem with it at all.

1767
02:27:40,740 --> 02:27:43,380
I think it makes good sense.

1768
02:27:44,820 --> 02:27:46,760
Is that to bring that back or?

1769
02:27:47,280 --> 02:27:47,440
Yeah.

1770
02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:53,800
Can I get a motion to go ahead and change executive session to before the meeting?

1771
02:27:54,880 --> 02:28:00,560
I'll make a motion to change executive sessions to before or after whatever works best for

1772
02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:01,520
the employees.

1773
02:28:03,460 --> 02:28:04,440
Can I get a second?

1774
02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:05,300
Second.

1775
02:28:05,820 --> 02:28:07,060
It's been moving in second.

1776
02:28:07,220 --> 02:28:07,820
All those in favor?

1777
02:28:08,340 --> 02:28:08,680
Aye.

1778
02:28:09,420 --> 02:28:09,880
Opposed?

1779
02:28:11,160 --> 02:28:12,000
Motion carries.

1780
02:28:12,440 --> 02:28:13,160
Thank you very much.

1781
02:28:16,380 --> 02:28:17,200
Now we're on a case.

1782
02:28:17,420 --> 02:28:18,080
Citizens comments.

1783
02:28:18,300 --> 02:28:22,940
Is there anybody that would like to discuss or have comments, concerns about any of the

1784
02:28:22,940 --> 02:28:24,520
discussion items that we had today?

1785
02:28:29,310 --> 02:28:34,690
Everybody's raising their hands. We'll start with Sam and then we'll work our way this way.

1786
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:45,360
Appreciate being here tonight. Three years, 18 days later, I stand here.

1787
02:28:46,460 --> 02:28:56,140
I created a sole member LLC in 2020. DGP63 LLC. The D stands for Dylan. The G stands for Grace.

1788
02:28:56,860 --> 02:29:01,040
The P stands for Pearl. That's my daughter. She has turned 12 on Saturday.

1789
02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:04,040
I thought it was pretty cool to name the LLC after her.

1790
02:29:04,360 --> 02:29:05,860
63 has to do with the address, of course.

1791
02:29:07,220 --> 02:29:11,400
Most recent addendum I provided my 2020 operating agreement,

1792
02:29:11,620 --> 02:29:15,140
and on August 16th, 2023, I signed to have a David that says,

1793
02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:20,620
this letter certifies that Samuel H. Perl is the sole member of DGP LLC.

1794
02:29:20,980 --> 02:29:27,460
All revenue, expenses, and potential profits are for the benefit of Samuel H. Perl only.

1795
02:29:27,460 --> 02:29:36,680
I hope we put that to rest and I ask that we continue to objectively discuss and logically

1796
02:29:36,680 --> 02:29:40,020
apply business principles to this relationship.

1797
02:29:41,780 --> 02:29:44,840
This is a 100% gross lease.

1798
02:29:45,620 --> 02:29:52,160
What that means is the building owner takes on all the expenses, maintenance and repairs.

1799
02:29:53,140 --> 02:29:56,960
That's been overshadowed and hasn't been spoke about publicly.

1800
02:29:57,720 --> 02:29:59,900
There's been a lot of talk about all these different terms.

1801
02:30:00,660 --> 02:30:07,800
I bear the cost of all the expense. As most people know, in 2023, expenses are rising greatly.

1802
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:12,540
So I would like to remind that I want to thank Christian and applaud Christian.

1803
02:30:12,900 --> 02:30:19,300
You guys got a pit bull right there. He got a lot for publicist metro districts.

1804
02:30:19,300 --> 02:30:28,840
So I want to applaud you. And then there's some unspoken people that we wouldn't be talking about other stuff if they hadn't been poking and prodding me for many years.

1805
02:30:28,840 --> 02:30:33,000
So they knew who they are right now. My building is not marketed as for sale

1806
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:38,480
But at the same time it wasn't for sale in 2020 when I bought it. I always say that

1807
02:30:40,180 --> 02:30:45,280
Everything in business and everything in the United States is for sale if somebody wants to

1808
02:30:45,280 --> 02:30:48,100
Buy it they can if those terms are reached

1809
02:30:48,780 --> 02:30:50,400
With two mutual parties

1810
02:30:51,140 --> 02:30:56,380
Everything's for sale with an exception of my Scotty Cameron putter collection

1811
02:30:58,840 --> 02:31:02,620
Continue to answer any questions to any of the board of directors any staff

1812
02:31:03,320 --> 02:31:07,940
I mean truly anybody out there public that needs that wants to know information on this would be happy to

1813
02:31:07,940 --> 02:31:10,560
Continue to answer questions. So thank you for having me

1814
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:40,060
Rodney Thompson, I just wanted to thank the board for the motion that was passed tonight to assist us on

1815
02:31:40,060 --> 02:31:43,620
Blackwell Drive as the owner of it.

1816
02:31:44,480 --> 02:31:48,340
Christian certainly knows some of our story coming here to Colorado

1817
02:31:48,340 --> 02:31:51,760
three years ago and we

1818
02:31:52,540 --> 02:31:56,740
went through some serious issues with a shyster builder that screwed us over

1819
02:31:56,740 --> 02:32:00,400
and came out here thinking we'd be in a motor home for

1820
02:32:00,400 --> 02:32:03,380
four months and here we have just passed three years.

1821
02:32:04,200 --> 02:32:08,240
So my wife is obviously very patient.

1822
02:32:09,580 --> 02:32:15,600
But it has been a long ride and you all have helped tremendously tonight by passing this thing.

1823
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:19,660
Thank you Christian and you can thank your counsel too.

1824
02:32:19,960 --> 02:32:26,260
I mean he's obviously been helpful with this as has Jeffrey.

1825
02:32:27,320 --> 02:32:27,320
And

1826
02:32:31,930 --> 02:32:32,910
you?

1827
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:37,120
I did. I did.

1828
02:32:39,640 --> 02:32:43,200
I think I've run out of words.

1829
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:47,020
But thank you all very much.

1830
02:32:47,300 --> 02:32:53,220
It's been a great thing for our heart to try to get this thing moving.

1831
02:32:53,620 --> 02:32:57,060
Our house is about 95% done and we still don't have water.

1832
02:32:57,680 --> 02:32:58,840
So it's been kind of scary.

1833
02:32:59,580 --> 02:33:00,220
Thank you.

1834
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:01,100
Thank you.

1835
02:33:02,860 --> 02:33:03,300
Melvin.

1836
02:33:15,620 --> 02:33:17,520
Get up and stretch every once in a while.

1837
02:33:19,460 --> 02:33:23,160
Okay, my name is Malin Mann-Rose. I live at 228 East Park Ridge Drive.

1838
02:33:23,740 --> 02:33:31,980
A comment was made, and I'm kind of curious about this, because I got a four-wheel drive vehicle on a plat map of Pueblo West.

1839
02:33:32,400 --> 02:33:36,920
And there's a lot of roads out there that are platted on this plat map, and they got property around them.

1840
02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:40,920
And for some of the reason, these roads weren't maintained.

1841
02:33:42,020 --> 02:33:46,460
Their roads are platted. The roads are there. If you go out with a four-wheel drive vehicle, you can get on them.

1842
02:33:46,980 --> 02:33:51,780
And I spent a little time driving around and checking some of these roads out just for the heck of it

1843
02:33:51,780 --> 02:33:55,280
but if they're platted roads and they're

1844
02:33:56,500 --> 02:34:02,020
We're there at one time and people bought property along them and now people come out here and they find out

1845
02:34:02,020 --> 02:34:03,860
The road wasn't maintained

1846
02:34:03,860 --> 02:34:10,160
But I got this piece of property out there and now how can you expect these citizens that bought a piece of property

1847
02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:14,140
On a road that was maintained to come in and put in a road and

1848
02:34:14,820 --> 02:34:19,080
And there's a lot of them out there, Littleton Drive's a good example, Gantt's Fort's a good example.

1849
02:34:19,600 --> 02:34:22,140
The roads were there, the head signs on them,

1850
02:34:22,540 --> 02:34:26,820
and now all of a sudden a guy comes out here, I got a piece of property I bought, I want to retire on it.

1851
02:34:28,340 --> 02:34:32,040
Oh, now I have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars putting in a road

1852
02:34:32,040 --> 02:34:35,420
because Pueblo West didn't maintain a road that was there originally.

1853
02:34:36,360 --> 02:34:40,080
So I think somewhere along the line you need to get together with the county

1854
02:34:41,940 --> 02:34:48,780
and get these roads put back in, or something, rather than have to expect the people that

1855
02:34:48,780 --> 02:34:53,500
have these properties, that have already bought these properties, put in a road.

1856
02:34:53,960 --> 02:34:59,060
Why should they have the expense of putting in this road that was there when they bought

1857
02:34:59,060 --> 02:34:59,240
it?

1858
02:34:59,780 --> 02:35:03,880
But now it's weed grown and overgrown and the gravel is all sunk in the mud and

1859
02:35:03,880 --> 02:35:05,800
there's water and dirt over it.

1860
02:35:06,260 --> 02:35:10,760
I don't really think it's fair to somebody that bought property 20-30 years ago or

1861
02:35:11,640 --> 02:35:14,520
back in 74 when McCullough built this place and

1862
02:35:15,700 --> 02:35:19,460
Then tell them that now you got to put in the road because we didn't maintain it

1863
02:35:19,460 --> 02:35:25,220
So I think you need to as a as a council you guys have done a good job. I'm not complaining

1864
02:35:25,780 --> 02:35:32,460
But I think you need to look at somehow or another we need to put these roads back in or have these roads put back in rather than have

1865
02:35:32,460 --> 02:35:36,660
individual property owners put these roads in. I don't think that's fair to

1866
02:35:36,660 --> 02:35:40,400
them because when they bought the property the road was there and like you

1867
02:35:40,400 --> 02:35:45,860
say I've driven around with a plat map. There's plenty of roads out there. You

1868
02:35:45,860 --> 02:35:49,380
get out there you can find the gravel you can find where we actually had a

1869
02:35:49,380 --> 02:35:55,260
road sign that said that was a road. Now there's nothing so just just a

1870
02:35:55,260 --> 02:35:59,240
suggestion. I don't think it's fair to the individual property owners that

1871
02:35:59,240 --> 02:36:04,640
bought this property 20 years ago, they have to put in a road. So maybe it can work something

1872
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:09,300
out with the county or something. Because it's part of the 54 miles road that you said

1873
02:36:09,300 --> 02:36:14,740
that weren't maintained. So not exactly fair to somebody that bought property 20 years

1874
02:36:14,740 --> 02:36:18,360
ago expecting to be able to come out here and build on it. So it's my only comment.

1875
02:36:18,840 --> 02:36:19,120
Thank you.

1876
02:36:19,500 --> 02:36:20,700
Thank you, thank you.

1877
02:36:20,700 --> 02:36:21,420
I

1878
02:36:23,750 --> 02:36:32,610
could just quickly, my wife was trying to remind me that I missed Mr. Blazon's name and the thank you was, I want to thank you also.

1879
02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:38,190
We don't thank Jim very often, we don't thank Jim. You thank Carl and Jimis.

1880
02:36:40,390 --> 02:36:41,210
Thank you sir.

1881
02:36:42,370 --> 02:36:46,110
Move on to Board Member and District Manager closing comments. We'll start with Christian.

1882
02:36:46,650 --> 02:36:53,370
Yeah, I have a couple, I did want to first echo Sam's comments about the lease and including

1883
02:36:53,370 --> 02:36:54,350
the utilities there.

1884
02:36:54,830 --> 02:36:59,190
Just to offer, I didn't mention it before, but we did our due diligence on our side as

1885
02:36:59,190 --> 02:37:03,450
far as evaluating what that looked like and how the average cost, whether it's the Pueblo

1886
02:37:03,450 --> 02:37:07,830
Pueblo West, how we're paying elsewhere and confidently say in support that I think

1887
02:37:07,830 --> 02:37:11,950
we are in a good position for that lease and the arrangements there, especially considering

1888
02:37:11,950 --> 02:37:13,690
the utilities that are owned by the owner there.

1889
02:37:14,850 --> 02:37:20,350
So thank you, Sam, for mentioning that, and I'd love to help put that to rest as well,

1890
02:37:20,390 --> 02:37:24,730
because I know it's been a comment or a concern or a question about whether that, how that's

1891
02:37:24,730 --> 02:37:25,330
come to fruition.

1892
02:37:26,470 --> 02:37:30,390
Mr. and Ms. Thompson, I just want to say thank you to all your patients and support.

1893
02:37:30,550 --> 02:37:33,370
I was there a couple of years ago when Ms. Thompson first came to my office, which I

1894
02:37:33,370 --> 02:37:39,190
felt inexplicably bad for, because I directed him to 356, and then he went to 280, and

1895
02:37:39,190 --> 02:37:43,370
So I felt really bad, but he and I met a few years back

1896
02:37:43,370 --> 02:37:45,210
and they've been extremely patient,

1897
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:46,730
understanding through the process.

1898
02:37:46,890 --> 02:37:48,730
And I don't think anything that we've discussed tonight

1899
02:37:48,730 --> 02:37:51,470
or the actual board approval to it does anything

1900
02:37:51,470 --> 02:37:54,410
other than justice for that situation that occurred.

1901
02:37:54,690 --> 02:37:57,670
And I think I just want to thank both him and his wife,

1902
02:37:57,950 --> 02:38:00,050
especially his wife for offering some Japanese candy,

1903
02:38:00,250 --> 02:38:03,770
which was delicious, along with just the process

1904
02:38:03,770 --> 02:38:05,190
of the board and the staff

1905
02:38:05,190 --> 02:38:06,370
and everything that's gone into that

1906
02:38:06,370 --> 02:38:08,030
to evaluate that decision and how to move forward

1907
02:38:08,030 --> 02:38:08,350
with it.

1908
02:38:08,350 --> 02:38:13,750
And then Melvin, I definitely understand your concerns when it comes to, you know,

1909
02:38:13,790 --> 02:38:16,850
something that was plotted the way the county looks out of this, the technical

1910
02:38:16,850 --> 02:38:21,510
answer to it. But they accept it as it's plotted. The right exists there, but they

1911
02:38:21,510 --> 02:38:25,210
never accept it for maintenance. What that usually ends up being for us in the

1912
02:38:25,210 --> 02:38:28,230
district with that cause is whenever those properties were built there and

1913
02:38:28,230 --> 02:38:31,310
they weren't actually accepted by the county for maintenance, we went forward

1914
02:38:31,310 --> 02:38:34,810
and said that we would continue to maintain them as a practice that

1915
02:38:34,810 --> 02:38:37,050
somebody lived there and wanted to make sure that there was access to them.

1916
02:38:37,050 --> 02:38:41,930
the county did approve anything that was accepted by us for maintenance as

1917
02:38:41,930 --> 02:38:45,110
something that they would continue to maintain going forward and I do think it

1918
02:38:45,110 --> 02:38:48,870
will be a challenge but I think a worthy challenge of our board the committee

1919
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:53,550
and the county to work together to define what that looks like for you know

1920
02:38:53,550 --> 02:38:57,790
exactly what we're asking the cost for developers and homeowners to do versus

1921
02:38:57,790 --> 02:39:01,970
what the county may be able to take on. I know they've said in public

1922
02:39:01,970 --> 02:39:06,110
session that they do not foresee that even with a sales tax that's enough

1923
02:39:06,110 --> 02:39:09,190
money to fix all the problems that they've encountered, but I do think it's a good task

1924
02:39:09,190 --> 02:39:12,530
and challenge for us to be able to understand that the folks living there and how to maintain

1925
02:39:12,530 --> 02:39:16,830
it and how to expect future maintenance and improvements to go forward, we'll have to

1926
02:39:16,830 --> 02:39:20,270
be in conversation, but I definitely understand the concern there. It's one we've dealt with

1927
02:39:20,270 --> 02:39:23,350
for many years. That's all I've got.

1928
02:39:24,990 --> 02:39:26,470
Thank you, Christian. Joe.

1929
02:39:26,470 --> 02:39:27,570
Now the

1930
02:39:31,600 --> 02:39:41,720
discussion about my concern with ownership of C of the 63 Spalding, I have no personal

1931
02:39:41,720 --> 02:39:52,600
problem whatsoever with as long as it's transparent, we know who we're dealing with, or the family

1932
02:39:52,600 --> 02:39:55,440
or whatever, that isn't my concern.

1933
02:39:55,440 --> 02:40:01,520
The concern that I always expressed was, is it an arms length transaction?

1934
02:40:01,940 --> 02:40:07,020
If it is, everything's above board, then there isn't anything to hide.

1935
02:40:07,540 --> 02:40:09,840
We're trying to be transparent about everything.

1936
02:40:10,080 --> 02:40:10,980
That's been a policy.

1937
02:40:11,700 --> 02:40:13,240
So that's the only thing.

1938
02:40:15,380 --> 02:40:16,540
Understood on my part.

1939
02:40:16,780 --> 02:40:19,640
Sorry, just to add a little bit, definitely understood.

1940
02:40:19,800 --> 02:40:23,480
I can share from my personal experience that that's been my perception and experience

1941
02:40:23,480 --> 02:40:28,100
with us and taking this position. I appreciate Sam's diligence and negotiating

1942
02:40:28,100 --> 02:40:32,020
lease. This was something obviously that fell during this year, so it was

1943
02:40:32,020 --> 02:40:35,480
something that I got to undertake, but overall that has been my perception of

1944
02:40:35,480 --> 02:40:36,680
and I understand your concerns, Joe.

1945
02:40:39,650 --> 02:40:40,270
What's all of it?

1946
02:40:42,790 --> 02:40:43,430
I don't have any.

1947
02:40:44,310 --> 02:40:44,690
Nothing?

1948
02:40:45,010 --> 02:40:45,110
Nothing.

1949
02:40:48,310 --> 02:40:48,510
Right.

1950
02:40:48,510 --> 02:40:48,990
I don't have any.

1951
02:40:50,030 --> 02:40:50,930
I got nothing.

1952
02:40:54,990 --> 02:40:55,890
And I got nothing.

1953
02:40:55,890 --> 02:41:03,490
and Committee reports, Committee of Architect, October 26th,

1954
02:41:03,490 --> 02:41:03,970
Director Vickers.

1955
02:41:05,290 --> 02:41:10,410
OK, we had a conversation about a 30-day limit.

1956
02:41:11,230 --> 02:41:16,650
This is dealing with the county roads and bridges.

1957
02:41:18,370 --> 02:41:23,630
Evidently right now, let me just write what I wrote here.

1958
02:41:23,630 --> 02:41:31,330
38 limit for the permit approval. If they missed their permit approval, they're required to go

1959
02:41:31,330 --> 02:41:38,810
to the bottom of the list for their water tap and basically start the process over, pay the application

1960
02:41:38,810 --> 02:41:45,270
fee again to the committee of architecture. The complaint was there's a number of times that

1961
02:41:45,270 --> 02:41:52,970
they're held up by it's outside of their control of roads and bridges being one of

1962
02:41:52,970 --> 02:41:58,250
them so they miss that 30-day window and now they're having to go back and pay

1963
02:41:59,130 --> 02:42:05,910
that 375 bucks for a reapplication fee and they're moved to the my

1964
02:42:05,910 --> 02:42:08,610
understanding it comes from the water department they're moved right to the

1965
02:42:08,610 --> 02:42:14,310
bottom of the list for the water tap that they once had at this position so

1966
02:42:14,310 --> 02:42:16,750
So to me it seems kind of punitive.

1967
02:42:18,230 --> 02:42:23,090
We have houses out, and this came about because we have houses out there that actually got

1968
02:42:23,090 --> 02:42:31,360
to permit the foundation is in, but we hadn't signed up on it yet.

1969
02:42:33,020 --> 02:42:38,420
So we've created a conundrum, and it doesn't, well they said it happens to maybe 10 percent.

1970
02:42:38,880 --> 02:42:43,060
So that's a pretty good number of people that it affects.

1971
02:42:43,060 --> 02:42:48,320
So they wanted me to direct this to the board to see if there's something that they can do to

1972
02:42:49,760 --> 02:42:55,060
Mitigate this and it all boils down to I guess the number of taps that you allow per year

1973
02:42:55,660 --> 02:42:57,840
And and that you're not

1974
02:42:58,560 --> 02:43:02,240
You're trying to prevent hoarding of taps right developers buying it

1975
02:43:02,880 --> 02:43:03,940
lots of ground

1976
02:43:05,080 --> 02:43:06,720
buying the taps and then

1977
02:43:06,720 --> 02:43:10,320
Nothing comes of it, but they hold the tap and they take it from somebody else

1978
02:43:10,320 --> 02:43:13,900
I think there might be a better way that we can do this system.

1979
02:43:15,140 --> 02:43:17,460
Okay, so if you don't mind you.

1980
02:43:18,820 --> 02:43:22,100
This all came about

1981
02:43:22,100 --> 02:43:26,040
when we set the 60-day moratorium on water taps

1982
02:43:26,620 --> 02:43:29,860
when we realized our water portfolio was anemic

1983
02:43:29,860 --> 02:43:34,580
and I think the year before we sold some 470 taps

1984
02:43:34,580 --> 02:43:37,420
our biggest fear, as you just said,

1985
02:43:37,420 --> 02:43:40,900
and our concern was when we roll these taps out,

1986
02:43:41,000 --> 02:43:42,720
we don't want builders and homeowners

1987
02:43:42,720 --> 02:43:46,160
to come buy a water tap to speculate on their lot

1988
02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:48,660
and they'd sell their lot a year or two later.

1989
02:43:49,360 --> 02:43:51,100
We wanted to make sure that the water taps

1990
02:43:51,100 --> 02:43:52,820
were gonna be used for building a home.

1991
02:43:53,560 --> 02:43:55,600
That's why John Neville at the time

1992
02:43:55,600 --> 02:43:57,120
was the director and COA,

1993
02:43:57,480 --> 02:43:59,040
was involved with the water team

1994
02:43:59,450 --> 02:44:02,020
where we all got together on the table

1995
02:44:02,020 --> 02:44:06,340
and put these rules in place in your act.

1996
02:44:06,340 --> 02:44:11,160
that was exactly the reason we did that. We set a timeline. In fact, Jim and I talked about this

1997
02:44:11,160 --> 02:44:18,440
a month ago, how we really need to reconvene our water team and look at this whole thing,

1998
02:44:18,840 --> 02:44:23,740
because it's just, a lot of it doesn't make sense, and then that water team can come to the

1999
02:44:23,740 --> 02:44:28,220
board to make a recommendation as another committee. But I agree with you 100%. I just

2000
02:44:28,220 --> 02:44:33,800
started in the movie. I'm starting a house over by the general store, and I got caught up in

2001
02:44:33,800 --> 02:44:42,120
the rowdy sheep sign off and I got caught up with Pueblo County Public Works on the driver

2002
02:44:42,120 --> 02:44:49,420
axis so it is definitely a delay and it's something that we really need to look at and try to

2003
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:50,780
tweak it a little bit.

2004
02:44:51,000 --> 02:44:57,020
We did a one size fits all recommendation of the board and recognizing now that the

2005
02:44:57,020 --> 02:44:59,960
economy has changed we're not, we don't have a worry of four hundred and twenty.

2006
02:45:11,160 --> 02:45:19,840
We're scheduling a water team to meet sometime in December. You're right, it was based off people

2007
02:45:19,840 --> 02:45:24,580
wanting to buy a tap off speculation. Didn't show any due diligence for building.

2008
02:45:28,460 --> 02:45:29,620
That was

2009
02:45:29,620 --> 02:45:33,800
going to reconvene and take a look at that but Director Vickers what was the

2010
02:45:33,800 --> 02:45:39,580
percentage you said they told me 10 now maybe that's inflated 10% or that we're

2011
02:45:39,580 --> 02:45:46,640
having the problem yes okay at the count maybe at the county level but I know

2012
02:45:46,640 --> 02:45:50,500
that we've had several come through or the communities had several come through

2013
02:45:50,500 --> 02:46:02,100
as of late to have to repay the fee and it just seems like that's not very nice yeah

2014
02:46:02,920 --> 02:46:07,900
we talked we talked about that we will probably delve into that on December

2015
02:46:07,900 --> 02:46:12,680
meeting that'd be great because I remember I recall and I understand the

2016
02:46:13,720 --> 02:46:19,120
developers or somebody buying a block loss but I don't as far as I can remember

2017
02:46:19,120 --> 02:46:26,740
and I've been building here since 95 I never was able to actually pay for a

2018
02:46:26,740 --> 02:46:32,000
water tap until I had the sign-offs from everybody and the permit then I could

2019
02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:39,260
buy the water tap how it's basically like that and what we got what I'll do is

2020
02:46:39,260 --> 02:46:47,780
guarantee that you're going to build the house. Yeah. We wanted to make sure that you're actually building the house we get sort of a time limit type of foundation installed.

2021
02:46:48,680 --> 02:47:04,240
We have some taps that were put in in the 80s and they haven't built. Yeah, I realize we came across that but there was, I distinctly recall that they would not sell a water tap or stuff.

2022
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:11,320
No, they used to back in the 80s and 90s when when the district was going to raise tap these they would allow

2023
02:47:11,320 --> 02:47:15,200
Oh people coming to buy it. If you own property, you can come by tap.

2024
02:47:16,660 --> 02:47:22,560
So it did happen back then. So I think our intention was to see physical construction.

2025
02:47:23,200 --> 02:47:28,660
Right. We want to know that you're actually not just going through the sign off process and buying a water tank.

2026
02:47:29,060 --> 02:47:30,860
So and that would be with the foundation.

2027
02:47:30,860 --> 02:47:36,340
Play the devil's advocate here. So if somebody came in said we'll come and build a house now

2028
02:47:36,340 --> 02:47:41,120
You could certainly restrict blocks of tracks, you know, 30 lots

2029
02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:44,520
But if I came and said I wanted to build a house and I paid my

2030
02:47:44,520 --> 02:47:49,200
$30,000 for a water tap and I didn't do that build that house

2031
02:47:50,280 --> 02:47:52,480
We still have the $30,000 correct

2032
02:47:52,920 --> 02:47:57,100
But think about your lots worth five years from now when we have no more water taps.

2033
02:47:59,390 --> 02:48:06,130
It's a free exchange of capital, just like Sam said.

2034
02:48:06,690 --> 02:48:12,570
If you pay for that, you buy your house and you're allowed to sell it at a profit.

2035
02:48:15,350 --> 02:48:19,010
So what's the difference? The water tap is taken out of the portfolio.

2036
02:48:19,850 --> 02:48:21,870
Actually, it's a benefit to us. It's not being used.

2037
02:48:22,350 --> 02:48:25,830
they've actually paid for it. We've got that money now that we've used for 30

2038
02:48:25,830 --> 02:48:35,950
years. I'm just saying I love it. I can't see. Most people would like that. If you're going to do that, I'll come in and write the check and I'll put a water tap on everyone in my house.

2039
02:48:37,310 --> 02:48:47,350
How does that hurt the district? It doesn't hurt the district. It hurts the people that are going to build a house out here. It doesn't hurt us. We're going to get the money from the water.

2040
02:48:47,350 --> 02:48:50,510
So you're doing all this to protect the builders, or the homeowners?

2041
02:48:50,870 --> 02:48:57,470
To protect people from exploiting our water taps and flipping them in the fibers from that.

2042
02:48:57,490 --> 02:49:05,110
What you're actually trying to do is say, I'm going to charge $30,000 for a water tap in 2023.

2043
02:49:06,150 --> 02:49:11,530
If I don't sell that water tap in 2050, I may be able to charge $60,000 for that water tap.

2044
02:49:11,770 --> 02:49:16,930
That's what you're protecting. You're protecting the district's ability to raise funds,

2045
02:49:17,710 --> 02:49:20,350
But again, it goes back to speculation in that case.

2046
02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:38,320
If somebody buys a water tap and the water tap fees increase as time goes by, they basically,

2047
02:49:38,460 --> 02:49:44,880
well, just like I said, they basically bought a tap at 1980 cost in my one example

2048
02:49:45,440 --> 02:49:50,320
And it still rests there at the 1980 cost. They haven't they haven't connected so

2049
02:49:51,400 --> 02:49:53,820
When they do connect they should pay the current cost

2050
02:49:56,920 --> 02:49:59,120
That's in the interest of the district. Well,

2051
02:50:02,860 --> 02:50:07,640
I think they could pay the difference between what what what they paid and what would be the current cost

2052
02:50:07,640 --> 02:50:16,420
Okay, committee reports Pueblo economic development corporation

2053
02:50:20,980 --> 02:50:25,720
Okay, look at the list. I'm done. There's more on my list for COA

2054
02:50:27,880 --> 02:50:29,620
Homeowner's obtained it. Let's see

2055
02:50:30,460 --> 02:50:35,120
Can COA charge a fee for the re-inspection of property not staked?

2056
02:50:37,260 --> 02:50:40,840
So that came about because they're going out to look at

2057
02:50:41,660 --> 02:50:45,840
Sorry if this is out of your purview, but this is part of our job remember

2058
02:50:48,030 --> 02:50:53,850
The committee goes out to inspect houses and they're not staked or signed

2059
02:50:53,870 --> 02:51:00,090
which they require and they'll do that a couple of times and then eventually it's

2060
02:51:00,090 --> 02:51:04,110
like can they charge a fee for the reinspection of a property that hasn't

2061
02:51:04,110 --> 02:51:09,770
been staked over the course of three or four meetings that I guess would be a

2062
02:51:10,510 --> 02:51:15,900
question for the legal department and a question for the board if that's

2063
02:51:15,900 --> 02:51:24,160
something that you would find that they need to do you know they they have a

2064
02:51:24,160 --> 02:51:29,000
list of homes that they go and look at to make sure they're in compliance. If

2065
02:51:29,000 --> 02:51:33,740
they're not staked and signed, they'll go back next time. You know, how many times

2066
02:51:33,740 --> 02:51:38,320
do they just keep making this trip until? But they don't have any recourse, right?

2067
02:51:38,540 --> 02:51:41,280
They can't do anything about it. Yeah, right now that's what they're

2068
02:51:41,280 --> 02:51:44,500
asking if they can if they can actually charge them a fee for doing

2069
02:51:44,500 --> 02:51:47,060
that, like the building department does for a re-inspection fee.

2070
02:51:49,220 --> 02:51:49,640
We should be

2071
02:51:51,540 --> 02:51:55,400
I can't think of a reason that you couldn't do that if you want to.

2072
02:51:55,480 --> 02:52:02,260
I think the board needs to establish a policy or the committee needs to establish a policy,

2073
02:52:02,520 --> 02:52:10,040
but I can't think of any impediment to charging a reinspection fee if you're coming back to

2074
02:52:10,040 --> 02:52:12,480
check and make sure that a violation has been addressed.

2075
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:19,000
Okay. So that would be something that the board would need to take up and decide if they want to do it?

2076
02:52:19,660 --> 02:52:23,680
Probably need a discussion item on the agendas and get all the details.

2077
02:52:24,140 --> 02:52:27,760
Probably with the list of all the rules so that can be published.

2078
02:52:27,900 --> 02:52:29,380
Can you make a note to add to the next?

2079
02:52:29,960 --> 02:52:30,500
Thank you.

2080
02:52:31,660 --> 02:52:33,780
All right. That's all I have on COA.

2081
02:52:39,810 --> 02:52:43,530
I think the committee reports are just reports. I don't think they're discussion items, correct?

2082
02:52:44,630 --> 02:52:48,630
And if we're going to handle, if we're going to do everything by the policy, then the policy

2083
02:52:48,630 --> 02:52:53,350
states that you've got to send an email if you want something on discussion item for

2084
02:52:53,350 --> 02:52:53,850
the next meeting.

2085
02:52:58,090 --> 02:52:58,450
Petco.

2086
02:52:58,850 --> 02:52:59,070
Whatever.

2087
02:52:59,190 --> 02:52:59,390
Director.

2088
02:53:00,270 --> 02:53:00,930
Excuse me?

2089
02:53:01,110 --> 02:53:01,610
I said whatever.

2090
02:53:02,050 --> 02:53:02,710
Yeah, obviously.

2091
02:53:03,950 --> 02:53:04,390
Okay.

2092
02:53:05,910 --> 02:53:08,070
So I was double booked at this time.

2093
02:53:09,010 --> 02:53:14,030
I chose to go to a water enterprise meeting versus Petco, so I apologize to them and

2094
02:53:14,030 --> 02:53:15,710
swore that I'll be at the next one.

2095
02:53:16,550 --> 02:53:18,010
So I don't have a report.

2096
02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:22,320
Paycock.

2097
02:53:22,860 --> 02:53:31,540
Essentially Paycock, we listened to reports from CDOT, various different potential projects to move forward.

2098
02:53:31,940 --> 02:53:39,400
The biggest thing I think again I reported last meeting was the paving of Highway 50 from McCulloch.

2099
02:53:39,400 --> 02:53:43,680
And I as I understand it, it's going to be to the county line.

2100
02:53:43,980 --> 02:53:49,360
They're going to improve highway 50 and it will probably start sometime in 2025.

2101
02:53:49,780 --> 02:53:51,040
They're working on the design right now.

2102
02:53:51,500 --> 02:53:54,620
That's about the only thing I can tell you that impacts our community

2103
02:53:54,620 --> 02:53:56,560
that I learned from the Peacock meeting.

2104
02:53:58,320 --> 02:53:59,120
Desert Hawk.

2105
02:54:00,340 --> 02:54:01,500
Joe, you want to do that?

2106
02:54:03,280 --> 02:54:03,640
Okay.

2107
02:54:07,980 --> 02:54:18,100
Well, the golf course Desert Hawk at all meeting was pretty productive, I thought.

2108
02:54:20,380 --> 02:54:24,400
We came to grips with several issues that need to be addressed.

2109
02:54:25,280 --> 02:54:26,960
Some of them are going to cost some real money.

2110
02:54:28,080 --> 02:54:35,560
We're trying to address mainly the sprinkler system and how badly it leaks and what we're

2111
02:54:35,560 --> 02:54:36,600
going to do about it.

2112
02:54:39,100 --> 02:54:42,640
We've got some equipment out there that in my opinion

2113
02:54:42,640 --> 02:54:48,080
should be sold. We've got more equipment sitting around starting to look like a

2114
02:54:48,080 --> 02:54:57,830
junkyard. So all things considered the course itself looks beautiful but

2115
02:54:57,830 --> 02:55:02,650
everything underground is a real problem. But we're starting to realize

2116
02:55:02,650 --> 02:55:08,030
that or accept the fact that it's actually there and we need to deal with

2117
02:55:08,030 --> 02:55:13,190
it. Discussions were held what are we going to do with the golf course after

2118
02:55:13,190 --> 02:55:19,350
the last mortgage payment is made in December 24 is that correct?

2119
02:55:21,370 --> 02:55:23,170
I believe so

2120
02:55:23,170 --> 02:55:31,490
yes. And the final discussion was we really can't do anything until all of

2121
02:55:31,490 --> 02:55:39,440
the debts are paid and there's seven or eight million dollars in debts that the reality of

2122
02:55:39,440 --> 02:55:47,280
it, the operating expenses of operating revenues will never pay off that debt. So we're going

2123
02:55:47,280 --> 02:55:54,340
to have to rethink ownership of the golf course operation of it or we're going to put three

2124
02:55:54,340 --> 02:56:00,460
million in capital into a new sprinkler system. There are many big questions that need to

2125
02:56:00,460 --> 02:56:06,840
be answered. And there's really not any consensus on which way to go.

2126
02:56:10,870 --> 02:56:11,990
That's all I have.

2127
02:56:14,530 --> 02:56:19,730
Public voice admin building, Dr. Vickers. I think we pretty much covered that, unless

2128
02:56:19,730 --> 02:56:20,690
you have something else to add.

2129
02:56:23,290 --> 02:56:25,170
Yeah, I think we discussed that earlier from

2130
02:56:25,170 --> 02:56:32,970
Christian. Aquatic center committee. So the proposal has been finalized as far as

2131
02:56:32,970 --> 02:56:34,610
I know it's been sent to the committee members.

2132
02:56:35,770 --> 02:56:37,790
Committee meeting is supposed to be scheduled soon,

2133
02:56:38,690 --> 02:56:41,230
and then hopefully we'll get that information out

2134
02:56:42,230 --> 02:56:45,410
and start that process for finding sponsors.

2135
02:56:48,120 --> 02:56:50,700
Events committee, the only thing we had

2136
02:56:50,700 --> 02:56:56,900
is we had a meeting parade of lights, December 2nd, I think.

2137
02:56:58,220 --> 02:57:00,320
Also during that committee,

2138
02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:06,460
Sean who's not here recommended the lighting competition so we started that

2139
02:57:06,460 --> 02:57:12,120
that's would be the first inaugural Pueblo West Light Fight exterior

2140
02:57:12,120 --> 02:57:19,200
decorating contest for the community and I think that was it for the events

2141
02:57:19,200 --> 02:57:26,460
committee am I wrong did I miss anything Christian Katrina announcement

2142
02:57:26,460 --> 02:57:32,520
and events November 23rd 24th district offices will be closed in celebration

2143
02:57:32,520 --> 02:57:38,000
of Thanksgiving so I want to show everybody a happy Thanksgiving November

2144
02:57:38,000 --> 02:57:43,420
27th Board of Directors regular meeting that's canceled correct we're not doing

2145
02:57:43,420 --> 02:57:49,740
that November 30th registration ends for the Pueblo West Light Fight so get

2146
02:57:49,740 --> 02:57:55,240
your home signed up December 2nd is the holiday and lights parade Bill and

2147
02:57:55,240 --> 02:57:55,940
I will be judges.

2148
02:57:58,760 --> 02:58:04,700
Judges for Carol. I don't know who else or how many she needs, but I

2149
02:58:04,700 --> 02:58:05,220
think she can.

2150
02:58:07,900 --> 02:58:11,700
December 11th, Board of Directors, Regular Scheduled Meeting, Public Hearing for

2151
02:58:11,700 --> 02:58:18,840
Water Rate Adjustments. December 13th, Desert Hawk Management Board, Special Meeting, 10

2152
02:58:18,840 --> 02:58:24,100
a.m. on Zoom. December 14th, Committee of Architect, Regular Scheduled Meeting at

2153
02:58:24,100 --> 02:58:32,920
530 356 South McCulloch Boulevard. December 19th, joint meeting with Pueblo West Board

2154
02:58:32,920 --> 02:58:38,780
of Directors and Pueblo County Board of County Commissioners. That will be at 101 West 10th

2155
02:58:38,780 --> 02:58:38,960
Street.

2156
02:58:41,130 --> 02:58:48,030
December 25th, district offices will be closed in celebration of Christmas. Pueblo

2157
02:58:48,030 --> 02:58:52,670
West Park's department for more information on how you can donate holiday giving tree.

2158
02:58:52,670 --> 02:58:59,470
also I think they're taking donations for turkeys so if you want to help out you

2159
02:58:59,470 --> 02:59:04,890
can get a hold of parks at this time I'd like to entertain a motion to adjourn the

2160
02:59:04,890 --> 02:59:11,450
regular meeting and moving to executive recess the regular meeting move into

2161
02:59:11,450 --> 02:59:17,570
executive session with a five-minute break in between so moved second oh

2162
02:59:17,570 --> 02:59:19,950
I'm supposed to read all this out first.

2163
02:59:21,050 --> 02:59:26,610
Executive session 24-6402, CRS determining positions

2164
02:59:26,610 --> 02:59:29,310
relative to matters that may be subject to negotiations,

2165
02:59:29,930 --> 02:59:32,110
developing strategy and negotiations

2166
02:59:32,110 --> 02:59:33,670
and extracting negotiators.

2167
02:59:34,310 --> 02:59:38,390
A, offer a purchase of I-2 property.

2168
02:59:39,530 --> 02:59:42,530
And B, contract to lease tower and ground space

2169
02:59:42,530 --> 02:59:43,830
for TP-1 tower.

2170
02:59:43,830 --> 02:59:48,810
Also, Executive Session 2, 24-6-402,

2171
02:59:49,370 --> 02:59:52,310
CRS conferences with an attorney for the public entity

2172
02:59:52,730 --> 02:59:56,370
for the purpose of receiving legal advice on specific legal questions.

2173
02:59:57,350 --> 02:59:59,450
And 24-6-402.

2174
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:05,980
CRS determining positions relative to matters that may be subject to negotiations. Developing

2175
03:00:05,980 --> 03:00:13,280
strategy for negotiations and instructing negotiators on a concerning a dispute with a property owner

2176
03:00:13,280 --> 03:00:20,820
on Blackwell Drive. Now can I get a motion? Same motion. Can I get a second? Second. It's

2177
03:00:20,820 --> 03:00:27,840
been moved in a second. All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? We are now recessed,

2178
03:00:27,840 --> 03:00:30,940
and a recess. Thank you everybody.