Okay. All right. Welcome, everybody. I'd like to call this Public West Metro Board of Directors'
meeting to order. It is July, or I'm sorry, June 22nd, 5.30 p.m.
Katrina, can I get a roll call?
Good evening, Board of Directors. Katrina Peter, Chief Administrative Officer, calling roll.
President Axworthy? Here. Director Roberts? Present. Director Pasternak? Here. And we'll
let it be known that Vice President Vickers is absent.
His absent will be marked as excused
and Director Potter is currently running late.
He will be arriving shortly.
Thank you.
He got stuck in traffic.
There's an accident up north.
Okay.
Greg, would you like to lead us in invocation, please?
Yes.
Everybody bow their heads, please.
Lord, I want to thank you for this day,
this gathering of people.
And I ask that you give us the opportunity
to break new ground and make good decisions for our community, the taxpayers, and show
them that we have their best interests at heart.
We ask that everyone brings pertinent information to this discussion that we're going to have
this evening.
And Lord, we just ask that you bless everything that we do each and every day, and we thank
you for keeping it safe while we're out on the highways and the byways and all
these things I ask in your name y'all Wayne Joshua amen thank you Chris would
We'd like to lead us in the pledge.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation,
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Thank you.
All right.
At this point, can we get a motion to approve the agenda?
I second the motion.
motion the motion to approve the agenda as of June the 22nd at 5 33 p.m. so we
have a motion second second all that's in favor hi any proposed no moving on
public comments do we have any public comments we do not have any public
comments submitted in person or signed up in person but we do have one that was
submitted online. Okay. This comes from Nikki Hart. She states, Hello, please include the
following statement in your public comment record for Monday's discussion regarding road
budget allocation. I review the letter to the county regarding road budget allocation
for Public West. Will I appreciate the effort to establish a transparent baseline for evaluating
road funding equity? Metros current Metros current analysis relies primarily on a per
mile allocation model at 33% a miles equals 33% of dollars framing is too simplistic
and bias toward a predetermined conclusion without considering how road maintenance and capital investments are actually prioritized.
Not all road miles carry the same costs, traffic volume, safety requirements, pavement conditions, drainage needs, or lifecycle obligations.
A more complete equity analysis would evaluate factors such as lane miles, road condition, traffic counts, surface type, bridge and drainage infrastructure,
and historical investment levels alongside roadway mileage.
which a jointly developed data-driven methodology would provide a stronger basis for determining
equity than a simple dollars per mile comparison alone.
Thank you.
Thank you, Katrina.
The only thing I'll comment on that one is that we should be having a meeting on July
9th at the Publis Library, and I would love for as many people to be there as possible
from our community so that we they can hear the discussion regarding that very topic.
All right. Can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda?
I make a motion to approve the consent agenda as it stands. Second.
We have a motion in second. All those in favor? Aye.
Hi.
Any opposed?
No.
Okay.
Moving on.
First up, special presentation by Paycock, Dylan Goodman.
Thank you very much for having me today.
And thank you, Director Roberts, for inviting me to come and give this presentation.
My name is Dylan Goodman.
I am the Transportation Planner for the Pueblo Area Council of Governments Metropolitan
Politan Planning Organization.
This is a presentation largely to just give you some information on what we do, what role
we serve in the region, and then specifically how we work with our partners in Pueblo West
to advance transportation planning and transportation investments in the Pueblo West area.
First slide, please.
So who and what is PAYCOG?
for those who don't know, PECOG, San For, again, Public Area Council of Governments,
and a Council of Governments is a very unique and often not well-known voluntary association
of local and regional governments that largely came about during the 50s and 60s during America's
suburbanization boom, where you started having cities shift from more monolithic structures
into a more patchwork of suburbs and communities all operating on a single
network and seeing more and more shared issues crop up. They tend to be governed
by a board of directors that represent the involved governing bodies and the
PAKOG Board of Directors is very unique because it isn't just made up of the
traditional local governments such as cities, counties and metro districts but
ours also includes our school districts and the Salt Creek Sanitation and Board of Waterworks
as represented members on our Board of Directors.
Local governments, when forming a council of government, will often distribute responsibilities
up to the regional level.
And in the case of the Public Area Council of Governments, we have primary administrative
of oversight over regional transportation planning,
environmental, and water quality issues as well.
Next slide, please.
For another acronym, we have the MPO,
or the Metropolitan Planning Organization.
MPOs are federally mandated organizations
that are established in census designated
urbanized areas that have a population of over 50,000
people.
They are given oversight on coordinating regional transportation, planning, plans, goals, projects.
They are really there to make sure that all of these individual patchworks that are starting to form larger urban areas
don't create conflicting plans, and they also help to create a – what's the word?
They help to pool resources so that you don't have ten different planning agencies and instead only need one to oversee a whole area.
Now, our primary functions are to program, plan, and monitor the state and federal funding that comes into our region, draft our regional transportation plans,
and help to set our region's performance measures and goals, which get voted on at pay cog meetings, as well as to help facilitate coordination
nation and conversation between our local governments and transportation-related departments around
the metropolitan area and our transportation planning region.
So the three C's in planning are Continuing Comprehensive and Cooperative.
These are written into law from transportation reconciliation bills passed at the federal
level that establish the effective goals of metropolitan planning which is to have a continuing
account of the planning process, to have a comprehensive plan for our whole region and
to form cooperative bonds between our local agencies and jurisdictions that push forward
the goals of the entire region.
Now the MPO is first and foremost a coordinating body.
It is important for us to fill in communication gaps that often form between our local agencies.
These communication gaps are not just on the – are not just between our local governments
but can also form within them.
And so we tend to act as a nervous system that helps to distribute information around
the region.
We really support coordination and transparency between the MPO and our local agencies as that helps us create an economy of scale when working on and coordinating projects.
It also helps us pursue federal and state grants as they tend to favor projects that are built on interdepartmental and intergovernment collaboration.
And our long-range plans in general are better, which if you don't remember, about a year
back, year and a half back, I came and gave a presentation on our long-range planning
process, but coordination helps us create the best long-range plan possible to serve
our whole region.
Now the MPO also helps to provide support through research, data gathering, as well
is exploring topics which will help our local agencies make more informed transportation
related decisions. A good example would be policy research on infrastructure changes that
might help reduce the heat footprints that urban environments often see. Next slide please.
Thank you. We have four, technically five primary documents that we work on. The
The first one is our Unified Planning Work Program.
You're going to notice throughout all of this that we really love our acronyms.
So the Unified Planning Work Program, or the UPWP, is a federally required document that
lists all of our work tasks and our annual budget.
Then we have our Transportation Improvement Program.
This is a document that we refresh annually.
It is a planning document that helps to keep track of all of the federal and
and state funds that flow into our region and make sure that they stay reconciled with
the state transportation improvement program or the STIP.
Our primary document is our long-range transportation plan or the LRTP.
This is a plan that looks 25 years out and sets our region's performance measures.
Our goals has a list of the aspirational projects that our local jurisdictions hope
to achieve in that timeframe, and sets our greenhouse gas performance measures that help
us stay aligned with the state GHG trajectory.
We also have the bike and pedestrian master plan, which sets the standards for our multimodal
infrastructure throughout the region, helps to identify future trails, and lays out
the city and county wide active transportation network.
This is a plan.
And that we really collaborate with Pueblo Weston as, you know, we want to support your
trail network and really help to see it continue to grow.
We also have, it's not listed here, a fifth document called our public participation plan.
This is a plan that just outlines how the MPO itself will engage in public participation
and what that process looks like for our planning process.
It has recently expanded, though, to include guides and best practices for local jurisdictions
to take on how to improve their own public participation process and really just help
our local agencies have strong, high-quality public engagement.
Next slide, please.
I want to touch on the Multimodal Options and Mitigation Fund and the Carbon Reduction
Program.
program. These are two funding pools that are both state and federal, respectively, that
the MPO has oversight of and distributes to our local agencies through a competitive grant
process to help fund local projects. These funds can be used in a variety of ways. They
have helped to fund trails and roadway improvements, done project design and planning,
including the design for the Industrial and Purcell Intersection Project.
Safety improvements around the region has been used to install EV chargers in public spaces
and has a wide variety of more projects it can be used for.
Next slide, please.
Now I want to touch into how we support and work with Pueblo West as it's a very
important relationship for us.
One way that we provide support universally is through writing letters of support to our
four local agencies whenever they go after state and federal grants.
We also have performed walk audits to help engage the community in the past, including
a walk audit specifically of McCulloch and Spalding to look at how that intersection
intersection could be made safer for pedestrians, cyclists, and car users, as it is a generally
problematic intersection.
We also collect user accounts for trails around the region, and on request have performed
those accounts for Pueblo West as well.
We help to fund roadway improvements and studies alongside Pueblo County.
And we have, of course, really sought Pueblo West's engagement for public engagement in
our core documents to make sure that we're supporting Pueblo West's needs and improvements
in our long-range transportation plan and our bicycle and pedestrian master plan.
We also have the data that maps out the region's trail networks and help to work
with Parks and Rec to help plan out your proposed trails.
Next slide, please.
This is just a list of projects that we have either helped to fund in whole or in part
around the Pueblo West region.
The SDS Trail Project was funded with MMLF funding.
The Joe Martinez Trail Project was in part funded with MMLF funding.
funding. The Future Medal of Honor Trail is also funded with MMOF funding, and the Civic
Center Park project was funded in our latest round of multimodal options, multimodal options
and mitigation funding. Now it is important to note on these funds that they are currently
not in high availability. The carbon reduction program fund from the federal government is
currently under, was released with the IJA or the Inflation Reduction Act as a part of
that overall infrastructure spending and it is currently not looking to be reallocated
with this next transportation bill coming through the House and Senate.
And our MMO funds is guaranteed through the state, but due to the state's current budgetary
issues, it has come under the eyes of our House and Senate for reductions until our
state budget has balanced out properly. I will now accept any questions you have.
Any questions?
Thanks Dylan. Appreciate it. I didn't know that about some of the
Pueblo West stuff so thanks for sharing that. Last time you came there was a
website with the where you you can drop pins on certain intersections yes problem
intersections is that still in use that you know over so that map is no longer
accepting any investments as that was a part of our long-range transportation
plans public engagement to my knowledge the map should still be up and
able to be accessed on the website pay cog moves the region and all of the feedback we
received on that should be located in our long range transportation plan which can be found
at the website pay cog moves the region dot com or at pay cog dot net.
Okay.
Thank you.
We also do, I did not account for this as we recently expanded our public engagement
timeline for this project after I made this presentation, but we are currently
performing public engagement for our Bicycle and Pedestrian Master Plan, which
we're currently working on updating, and links to that can be found on
paycog.net. We have very similar maps and surveys to what we released last
time and would love to see public less feedback on that. It recently got pushed
to, I believe, the end of June for how long we will be accepting feedback on that
for those maps and on that survey. I apologize for not bringing materials
with me for it this time.
I will take a look at the website and find out more
information. I appreciate it. Any other questions? No, thank you for the update.
And if you are interested, this is a one pager that we made for pay cog and MPO activities.
This was more made for our board of directors orientation, but I'm happy to give you all
a copy as well as a one of my cars.
That way you can contact me in the MPO and if you're interested you have this.
And any extras I will leave on the table.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Of course, thank you very much for having me again and thank you for being very present
members in our community.
We love our working relationship with your parks and rec department and we love seeing
you.
Carol's pretty awesome.
Thank you.
Okay.
Next on the agenda is guidance.
Number one is strategic priority number four slash 13 master planning and community
pool presented by Carol Cosby.
Hi Carol.
and
Kurt Long. Sorry, Kurt. Yeah, it's okay. Good evening, President X, we're the
members of the board. Kurt Long and I are here tonight to present a long-term
okay, where's our slight person, long-term recreation campus vision for Assembly
Drive and North McCulloch Boulevard property. This is the property where the
community indoor pool is planned. As we have continued looking at the site staff
believe there are maybe a longer a larger long-term opportunity to develop this
area and a centralized recreation campus in Public West. It's just the
beginning phases. It's just a vision that we've all discussed in the
department and we're not we're not we don't want any approval tonight or any
action all we want is to bring to the board what our ideas are in Parks and
Rec.
The purpose of the presentation is again to share a long-term vision of
the site. We want to discuss future recreation needs and look at
potential opportunities and get feedback from our board on whether
staff should continue exploring this concept. We also have talked about future partnerships.
Staff has been approached by the community, a couple of community stakeholders and private
groups about possible recreational related opportunities. And before any of those conversations
go too far, we felt that it was important that we brought it to you, showed you our
vision and talk to you about it and got some feedback from our board.
Why this
discussion matters, and I'll do most of the talking, is because Pueblo West
continues to grow and the demand put on our department is heavy at this time
and we're looking at recreational opportunities so we can increase our
service to our community. We're already seeing limitations with our current
facilities, especially the indoor space, which is very limited, our athletic field, which
are heavily used by our sports as well as practice and our adult.
And this site gives actually the district a chance to be proactive instead of reacting
later when space becomes even more limited.
So we can start thinking now of what could be put on this property.
This does not mean anything would happen right away and it simply means that we're just trying
to plan wisely for the future for our community.
This vision connects directly to the Parks and Recreation Master Plan.
We always talk about the Master Plan, but the Master Plan was last updated on 2024
and we do a great job in our department following that plan and trying to use that
as our vital source to follow through with our department.
It identified several priorities, including more indoor recreation,
more athletic fields, better access to youth and adult sports,
family recreation destinations, and facilities that
support our future growth. This campus concept is
one possible way to begin addressing several of those priorities
in one location. This is not just about adding buildings or fields, it is about
looking at long-term needs for Pueblo West and making sure district-owned
property is used in a way that provides the greatest community benefit. At this
time, Kurt will talk more about our recreation challenges and what we are
seeing from the programming side. Thanks Carol. Good evening board. So from the
programming side one of our biggest challenges is indoor space. Right now we
rely heavily on our partnership with District 70 and being able to use their
gyms for our programs. We are very grateful for that partnership and we
have a great relationship with District 70. Without that we would not be
able to run indoor programs because we just have no facility. So I do want to
emphasize how much we do appreciate that. But that does come with challenges. A lot
of times they have the priority for their, you know, sports, their activities, a
lot of stuff they have going on. So that really hinders our ability to
schedule, especially evenings, weekends, when we want to have our programs. So the
issue isn't really that we can't run the programs. The issue is our ability to
grow at clinics, host tournaments, and create consistent programs and schedules.
A dedicated indoor rec space would give us that opportunity to expand and grow
and just offer more to meet that community demand.
Programs most
Most affected include youth basketball, volleyball, pickleball, indoor soccer, again hosting camps
and clinics, and adult sports leagues.
And one good example, we run adult volleyball at the middle schools during weeknights.
And because of their schedule, you know, with sports and everything, we're not able
to start our activities until after 7.30.
So that's really just a tough schedule for our participants to start that late.
We are seeing the same type of challenge with our outdoor sports.
Currently the Parks Department has three soccer fields and three softball fields at Lavel Park.
Those fields are heavily used for practices, tournaments, R games, and just general public use.
As participation grows, practice and space become harder to schedule.
We see a lot of interest in practice times.
There's just really nowhere.
for teams to practice in Pueblo in general, the whole area. So having another facility that
offers a space like that for the community would be a huge benefit.
So this slide shows
just the overall long-term campus vision. I'm not sure if everyone could see that site
map there, but that's just a rough layout of what we're thinking for that site.
The
community indoor pool would remain as the anchor facility. Around that, the site could
potentially include indoor rec center, baseball softball complex, multi-purpose athletic
fields, family rec areas, and shared parking and support facilities. The important point
is, again, this is just a conceptual, very rough site plan. The purpose is to show
So what may be possible over time if the district plans the property as a complete, excuse me, a complete rec campus instead of looking at each facility separately as we move on.
Development would happen in phases and that would depend on board action and direction, funding, grants, partnerships, and community priorities.
We are always seeking grants, so that could be a possibility down the road if we could seek out a grant for something like this to expand on.
The community indoor pool is the anchor in this area. The conceptual design for this is a six-lane lap pool, party room and spectator seating, locker rooms, lobby space, and then room for future expansion.
It does, the pool does address the longstanding community need and is already, again, the
main focus of this site.
And what we're discussing tonight would be the surrounding area of the pool.
So the conceptual design that was the prior slide, again, we just drew out some things
where it would fit on the site and made sense so that if individuals were at the pool
parents could go out to a picnic area. So it would be on all one general location
where it would serve everyone at one time.
If we're looking at an indoor rec
center we could you know offer something that has multi-purpose courts, two to
three multi-purpose courts that support basketball, volleyball, pickable and then
And maybe a potential indoor turf area for indoor soccer, flag football to run clinics
and camps and indoor tournaments.
I think the real value of this type of facility is just flexibility.
We could do so much if we had our own facility like this as far as programming.
So I think that is really huge.
It would also reduce our reliance on school gyms because they have a lot going on as
well.
and it would really just give parks and rec more control over scheduling and future program growth.
The outdoor sports facilities could potentially include a three to four field baseball softball complex,
multi-purpose athletic fields, just a large open area that we could, you know, make soccer fields,
football fields, and just offer different outdoor programs.
The main point is that additional outdoor sports space would help address current field limitations.
As we mentioned, our fields are heavily used, so it would take the demand off our current facilities
so we could, you know, maintain them a little better when they're not being used so much throughout the year.
Family recreation is a vision of ours too.
We always hear there's not enough parks.
parks. This would be a great opportunity for a north side park, which would include playgrounds,
open lawn areas, shaded areas, community gathering spaces, and family focused area for everyone
to use. Sure, we're talking all about sports, but we want families to come and enjoy it
as well.
Why does this site work? Well, actually, board, you picked this site.
That's exactly why.
This site was picked when we were looking at the two different sites for the community
pool and we did share a vision at that time and so did you guys on, you know, if we put
it here it would provide a north side park.
We have a lot of room to expand and it makes a lot of sense.
It's 62 acres and it's a big advantage in this area because, again, it's all in one location.
It makes it easier for people to go to, but it also is a benefit for Parks and Rec with
our limited staff that we have an area that we can be in one area and be able to maintain
everything and not so spread out that we're always going somewhere else.
So
we really think the potential community benefits are huge.
A WREC campus could expand recreation access.
It would create more year-round programming opportunities.
Really help us support tournaments and events for the community.
Help local businesses by bringing in more activity into Public West.
It could also support long-term WREC sustainability
for Parks and WREC. From the programming side
It would give us more flexibility to serve the youth, adults, families, and community groups.
And the long-term benefit is not just more facilities.
It's better, you know, scheduling and stronger recreation systems for Pueblo West.
Partnerships are a very important part of this discussion.
Again, we mentioned earlier, staff has been approached by a couple of partners who are very interested in providing recreation out here.
It could be a very positive opportunity for our department.
Future partnerships should support what our community needs are and protect parks and
recreation programming, access and maintain affordability and accessibility.
We don't want to enter into any partnerships without discussion with the board and knowing
your vision as well and what priorities are for this property.
And that's kind of why we're here tonight, just to, again, make you aware of what our
vision is, what we look at, what we know our demand is through our programming, what
we can't do, what we can do, because, again, we don't have the facilities to do it.
The important takeaways, again, this is the early conceptual vision.
No final decisions tonight.
Again, it would be a phased overtime project.
And we're just seeking board feedback and direction on moving forward.
With that, I'm asking board for any feedback discussion.
First time we got left, Christian.
Time three minutes.
Oh, okay.
Do you want to go around the table?
Christian, you want to go first?
I mean, that's the reason I picked this site was for this moment, basically, to kick something like this off.
So I'm in favor of it overall.
I'm open to any partnerships.
I think, ironically, I said to Christian, what about partnerships like the day before the agenda came out?
So I would be open to hearing what anybody has to offer in terms of partnership.
I wouldn't shut the door on anyone.
And I suppose at the point that you think it's pertinent that we should know how that conversation is going, you could bring it to us.
What amenities should be prioritized?
I know that gym space as far as basketball courts is extremely limited in the county, much like indoor pools.
So I know people play a lot of times in churches.
I know the Mesa Rec Center gets a ton of use.
I know the Y is extremely overcrowded for youth basketball.
And again, I know that the teams there are always
looking to add more practice times and the Y just can't.
So people go to wherever they can with whatever
relationships they have and try to get into church gyms
and things like that. So I'm certain that space would get use. So yeah, I think you guys should
definitely continue the planning of it.
I don't know that I have anything for concerns at this point,
but that's my take.
Rodney. I appreciate you guys for thinking on this. These are one of our
priorities and thinking about grants, whatever grants we can get, even public
donations, so on and so forth, maybe set up something where the public can go
online and contribute in some other way. I understand they say they can
contribute in taxes but you know we're limited so if they want to donate
more or give more and have the public be able to donate in some form or fashion to help.
Because this obviously costs money.
Enforcement things we have to do in this field is prioritize and where we spend that money.
And I think this, I think should be a priority personally because we do need more stuff here
for family recreation and so on and so forth and we're set up for it, we just need to know how to
get it going.
I think maybe getting some good fields going and stuff, what kind of grass to use
or this low maintenance grass kind of stuff doesn't take as much water, that kind of thing to
utilize because it's easy to move dirt and make fields. It's a little harder for buildings and
construction so whatever we can do to maybe see the the public the public can
see us moving forward with some things in this area possibly but yeah I really
appreciate your forward thinking and hopefully we can come up with some where
the public is takes interest in it and possible donations so thank you thank
Thank you.
Greg?
I like the whole idea.
The whole community family thing.
Did you have a community center in there for like, you know, like during the day, you
got retirees and stuff that can come in and they can have like board games or chess,
checkers, cards, or a multi-function community center?
We did not have that because when we first looked at community center quite a
while back their pool, the gymnasium, everything was put into one. However if we
build it correctly you can partition off some of the courts where you can do
some of that. You don't have to use all the courts just for sports you can do
other there's other opportunities for that. That is one thing we are
lacking out here is senior programming because we really don't have any place to
have that and that that is one of our lacking programming. I definitely like
to not only for seniors but for kids and family have the opportunity to
participate in different programs because not everybody's interested in sports.
That is correct. Right? So we can broaden our horizons and expand upon
on that so that everybody gets a taste of the pie, per se,
as far as our recreation area of 62 acres there.
I think that'd be great in the future.
So I like y'all's planning.
And you guys have been doing good work.
I appreciate everything.
Thank you.
I agree that's a good conceptual plan as well.
Again, that's why that space was chosen,
so that we can expand upon our parks direct footprint.
Let's see.
We've also discussed just putting it out there.
We've also discussed repurposing of the old swimming pool,
so I want to make sure that we have those discussions
and our budget meetings coming up as well.
As far as looking to the future and concerns,
I know if we have a conceptual plan,
and it might, we have to look at the longevity of what we build, the lifespan, the degradation,
et cetera, et cetera. So, you know, if we know that the conceptual plan in its entirety
is going to take 20, 25 years to complete, is a parking lot. Do we build a huge parking
lot for the conceptual plan to fit everything knowing that it's going to degrade over
20-year period.
You know what I mean? So we need to balance those types of things as we look forward to
manage costs. Other than that, that would be my only caution moving forward. In the end,
assuming that we can maintain the fire sales tax, it would be my goal, and this would be
after I'm gone, I'm sure, it would be my goal to divert a portion of some of the general
fund money that the fire currently gets to Parks and Rec to help execute the master plan.
That's always been kind of a vision of mine moving forward if we were to extend the fire
stales tax plan.
They can still fire, the department can still grow, they can still maintain, yet we can
accomplish what we need to do for our constituents and our community in terms of Parks and
Rec, so without further taxation.
That's all I've got. Anyone else?
We appreciate the board's time tonight and have a good evening.
Thank you, Carol. Thank you.
Thank you, Kurt.
Thank you, Carol. See you guys on Thursday.
Okay. Next up is Strategic Priority Number Four, Master Planning, Fire Station One,
and Schematic Design Update by Brian Caserta.
It's not Brian here.
It's not Brian.
Sorry about that.
Last minute change.
President Axler, the members of the board, I am not Chief Casserta.
Deputy Chief Tim Mitchell.
Chief had something come up that he had to go to relatively quickly.
So you have me.
So, we're here to sometime back, the board had asked that when we got to the schematic
design of Fire Station One's edition that we make a presentation.
So, we're here to make that presentation, not looking for any decisions, any decisions
to be made, anything else other than that, other than the presentation.
So, that's really what we got.
So just glancing through the documents we were looking at a stake building versus a metal correct
so what are your thoughts on so based on what we have discovered and what we've found out and
kind of puts the feelers out that the metal building would be the most cost effective
option and that would be the decision that would be the direction we go it was close
though, right, if I remember correctly.
We're not going into metal, are we?
Yeah, pre-engineered.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
I apologize.
No, you're okay.
What was your question?
I'm sorry.
The costs were fairly close.
They were relatively close, yeah.
There were some other factors involved.
I don't exactly have the numbers in front of me, because I was not prepared for this.
But yeah, they were close, but I would say not close enough for us to make a decision
to go with the stick print.
Okay.
My concern is, in the design phase, how close are we to putting it out for FRP?
I don't know if you know if Toppy had a fifth share in any timeline for it.
I will share that.
I understand where the question is coming from as we're talking about the admin building
design.
It's come up with giving us a time frame of, I think, November-ish to be able to
put it out for an ISP invitation for bid.
which gets them on the docket essentially with contractors later in the year and
the idea is or the hope is more advantageous because of the level of work
they may be doing at the time means that they may be hungrier in their words
for those types of projects at the end of the year and there might be cost
savings associated with it as opposed to delaying into the next year and I
thought I remember that we were looking at a similar sometime in the fall
similar IFB or starting that process if that's my recollection is correct
I believe that to be correct. Okay, we can confirm the dates just to be sure but I think that's what we talked about last week
When this came up as well
Okay
They sounds great and they're farther ahead than obviously the design for the admin building as we just started meeting a couple weeks ago
So that is good news. Hopefully we can get some cost savings on it, too
I don't know I
Don't share, you know, we've been told
When they go put it out for bid and stuff, they're actually experiencing some competition
and some cost change.
So I mean cost savings.
So yeah, that's great whenever we can save money for the taxpayers and so thank you.
We're actually moving into design development at this point.
So we're about 60% complete on design.
So we're well ahead of the admin building.
So you're not in the landscaping place yet?
Not yet.
Okay.
Thank you.
Any other questions?
Okay.
Appreciate the update.
Thank you for your time.
Thanks for staying in.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to say that.
Sorry, Tim.
It was last minute decision, too.
So it surprised me as well.
Thank you very much.
Thanks, sir.
You did good.
Thank you.
Thanks, sir.
All right.
Next up, strategic crowding number four, master planning discussion regarding track 317 presented
by Sean Winters.
Good
evening, President Daxworthy, members of the board, Sean Winters, director of
operational support.
So here tonight to give you an update on track 317, I think the last board meeting
the board has asked us to approach the county and see if we could negotiate some
of the terms and conditions of the vacation plat. So we have started with
beginning those discussions with Pueblo County planning and development and we
will continue to coordinate with them along with Road and Bridge and a copy
of that email to the planning planning and development is included in your
packet. One of the things that we had also discussed at the last meeting was
the board's desire to have a single access point along the Bacullo Boulevard
near Enchanted Hills. Staff also at that time identified that this location
might not meet Pueblo County Roadway design standards creating any approval
challenge. But we do have an alternative location that we would like for you
to consider in Katrina if we go to the aerial view.
It's towards towards the
end.
There we go. So this alternative access point is north of McCulloch Boulevard
on Rancho Vista. So that is the area that is clouded in yellow. The other area
that was preferred by the board is an area clouded in red, which is close to Enchanted
Hills, but not really. It's a man-made trail that's been made by unauthorized vehicular access.
This alternative location is in close proximity of Enchanted Hills and McCulloch,
but it would be probably more acceptable to the county as it would meet their
roadway criteria placing that access on a lower classified roadway. As you can see
there's already some some access being taken there more likely by utility
companies there I know we have a couple of boxes in there but we do have an
easement that runs through there that we did retain through the plat vacation
process and we thought that we would bring this this alternative up for the
board to consider and so this is one of the things that we would like to get your
feedback on. Do we want to negotiate the variants for the location on McCulloch
and Enchanted Hills or does the board want to consider the nearby
compliant alternative?
I may want to jump in before I do.
Go ahead Brian I'll
to have a team of you later so my initial thought was that we need to we need to
try to win over the county with the original request before we look at
alternatives and before we seek an alternative especially in that location
I think we need to talk to those neighbors along that road to see if
that if they have any concerns or anything in that area as well the the
The biggest reason why I felt that the access off of McCulloch would work best is because
it would also solve that problem with people driving along that dirt road where they're
not supposed to be in order to drive along it and dump their trash and party down in
the culvert there.
Yeah.
One of the things that we're also looking at, in addition to having a singular location,
now that we're building just one location, we may have some funding that would completely
fence the entire parcel and then that way we can focus that that access in one
location or not have any unauthorized areas. So you say we wouldn't be redoing
any of the cul-de-sac or anything like that? Well that is part of the
negotiation if we can if we can prove to the county that we are going to not
encourage people to access in these cul-de-sac locations and force them
to access over here then the need to reconstruct those cul-de-sacs to new
standards may not be necessary because we're not introducing any more traffic
there than we had before. Okay, that makes sense. So you're talking like Jane Lee?
No, I'm thinking like four wire fence, probably two strands smooth as
opposed to barbed wire because barbed wire catches lots of stuff, bags and
tumbleweeds and stuff like that. No raise or water.
Do you mind? No raise or water.
Both for the President and Sean, do you mind if I add just a little bit of clarity for where this is coming from?
Yes, go for it.
As far as it?
Yeah, so the idea of what we talked about the last and the guidance was for the staff to start engaging with the county
because we recognized, based on the vacation, it called that McCulloch Access, which we call Enchanted Hills
based on its previous name, as an illegal access that had to be removed.
Because I was in the vacation documents, it's going to require either the Board of County Commissioners,
Planning Commissioners, County Planning and Development to overturn or allow some type of acceptance for that.
As the staff is already moving towards trying to figure out what is that process to make that request,
one of the steps that came in is we're going to have to negotiate with County Road and Bridge
to determine what the requirements are ahead of doing all of that, and I guess not ahead of it,
But in line with doing all that, Shaw and I identified this and I think it's at least
a very considerable alternative if either that did not work out or as a way to be able to,
I think, still meet the request of the principle of moving away from the cul-de-sacs, becoming
those hammerhead parking lots, but still gaining that centralized access, technically
the ranchovista access is lower classification than McCulloch, which is the reason why
they're diverting us away from there.
And if that could be a suitable alternative that gets it away from the cul-de-sacs in the hammerhead
While also accessing it in a place that doesn't have to go through the county commissioners to maybe
Approve of that that might be the alternative. That's what that's coming from. Yeah. No, I totally understand where it's coming from
We we discussed at the last meeting
It's just it doesn't make sense that we can't build off from the Colic
It doesn't matter what authority says you can or cannot do because it's not a bad idea to question it and say why or provide some sort of reasonable explanation as to what they're finding is.
It just doesn't make sense why you would cancel any access onto that property from the call. It just doesn't.
There's more traffic off of or going through, say, part of the emergency room that's right
next to another intersection.
And there's, I think this would be a lot safer than having an intersection right after a hill
right there.
And they approve that access.
And it's on term.
Yeah.
So I don't understand their rationale.
And because I don't understand their rationale, I think we should just move forward with
the letter knowing that we have a backup plan is great.
but before we can move with that backup plan I think we should talk with those
homeowners on that room. Sean in regards to the fencing how much of that
fencing is going to restrict public access because I mean right now people
who live on that streets with the cul-de-sacs can access it from their
into their street are they still gonna be able to do that? If my way of
thinking would be no. Because part of convincing the county that we're not going to increase
traffic into one area saying that we're not going to allow access and we're going to have
a singular point of access over on McCulloch or off of Rancho Vista one of the two. If
If you leave multiple areas open, now you have a less defendable perimeter.
Yeah.
I got the same problem, I heard.
Yeah.
Right.
So it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend a lot of money on fencing if you're going
to let people in.
No.
Totally get it.
That's why I asked that question just to clarify it.
I do love the idea about fencing.
I think that was a great compromise, utilize the money instead of doing the cul-de-sacs
to utilize it to fence the yard. I think that's a great good idea.
Just remember, as we come up with these ideas, it's a double edged sword.
Sometimes we gain ground in one perspective and lose ground in another.
So, yep.
I just don't want to face the same problem six months.
Now, when we have a design, the neighbors call and say, I don't want this, so let's make sure we're doing our due diligence as well.
Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, we should be looking at relatively low traffic volume, this being kind of a trailhead for open space.
I don't expect that you're going to have a high traffic volume for that. So.
But again, that's a conversation with the neighbors, too.
And again, it's another big piece of land that has plenty of parks and rec potential down the road.
Yeah.
Looking to the future.
And just a little bit on kind of what needs to happen down the road if this becomes a bigger developed park.
We'd have to go through a special use permit with the county, probably have.
If you're doing any developing playgrounds, buildings, that kind of thing, paved parking lots,
and then you also have the ongoing maintenance from parks and rec who maybe aren't prepared
to maintain an area so far away from their base operation, but taking baby steps, working on
the open space. Well, I have to include that as part of our strategic planning and the strategic
plan somewhere along the road, right? In the budget. I mean you create a budget
then you have a year to implement. So it's a process. Thank you. Thank you.
All right. Number four, strategic priority number eight, fostering public trust,
community cleanup, presented by Matt Lunge and Marcos Riz.
Good evening board.
Christian Jay, hi. You are listening. Marcos, I'm going to ask if there's
any details or anything technical to be able to share
those questions for it.
They'll be pretty brief as we share some of this information
in our packet.
We had a very, I think, successful community cleanup
made 30th or late May that took a lot of the trash
out of the community and served a lot of folks for it.
It was, I think, one we have done in the past,
but this level, this detail, this planning,
all the execution, much more, I think,
I think strong as far as how it performed and how people felt about it.
And there were some lessons learned.
I think this game, as far as the discussion with the board, Director Roberts brought up
an idea of doing something with being able to do something similar, I think, in a community
cleanup type venue, though we had this one already in the shoot.
And there is one planned, I believe, October, November of this year, to follow up based
on some of the feedback and some understanding that this one was really a lot and filled
up fast.
even with a very large machine to help ensure it all got compacted, which is pretty cool.
But with it, we're going to have that one later this year, and all sharing all this
information with the board, understanding the request, want to just ask, essentially,
is it okay to essentially move forward with a, this is going to happen again this year,
we're going to get more data. At this time, we don't quite have a full year of all the data
of how much we might need to do this. And after that, we might be able to say more
explicitly, this is what's working, what's not, and kind of move forward with it,
or are there any additional requests or thoughts towards it and just the recommendation that comes
with I think we've got what sounds like a pretty good program and a pretty good plan
and don't want to necessarily create more complications while they're already in the
process of that until we get more data to determine if there's something further we should
or could be considering doing. So bringing that as an update to the board with similar
information but to really just request to the board to give guidance on moving forward
as is or if there's anything like to be introduced and discussed.
people had to show ID when they came no they did not have to show ID okay so
anybody could have come from any anywhere yes some stuff okay
so it says
here's probably seven tons of metal are we able to use that in scrap bed and
get money back from that or no at this time the metal came from the county we
We had a collaboration with bubble County, which they that was one aspect that they brought in the future, if the board wants to see if that's a solution and we could look into that.
But for the most part, the vendor will drop off the roll off and they utilize the scrap themselves to his ankle.
Could I have figured out how offset costs or something, maybe recycle the metal and use it for our advantage?
Consider and do a cost, essentially, benefit analysis to see if the time and everything else with it is worth the payoffs.
Absolutely. I mean, that's seven times a metal. I don't know what that equates to, but it sounds like a lot.
It can be a lot.
Just saying.
It's all covered.
It's not nothing. We got, I think, a pretty sizable check for what our collection distribution team did recently to get some of that metal out of the yard, so it's not that idea.
What size check was that? I think it was 14,000.
I thought I saw that. Yeah. Okay. So I've spoken to about six people who participated in that and they said it was well organized.
The staff were friendly and directive as far as how to go come in.
Traffic flow pretty good.
So they love it.
So awesome. I think we like I said, we need to expand it.
So it's just not encompassed over a weekend.
They were just a day because we are a community that works shifts.
And now everybody's got the same days off.
So if we could do that, I think taxpayer would truly appreciate it.
We can have a look at options.
I do know those do come with challenges, but it's not necessarily
uncircumventable, but we can consider those.
Find ways to make sure.
You don't necessarily have to be a week long or anything.
You could do it like on a Tuesday, Wednesday.
And the next time you do it, it's on a Thursday Friday.
That's going to do it.
Break it up.
You see what I'm saying?
So, different days off. Yeah. It's a good idea.
I read through the staff comments and, you know, I enjoyed the lessons learned and it looks like you guys all have a handle on it. So, if you're comfortable doing it again, I'd say do it.
Well, credit goes team. They did an excellent job. Brandy did a great job of directing people. Her name is making new worst times and Marcus is an amazing job of being able to organize and put it on.
And a lot of his team also went out and contributed as well, even folks from our department. So
I appreciate everybody's work on it. Happy to come back after the next one and give lessons,
learn and see if there's anything further we can do. Great job, team. Thank you.
All right. Next, uh, general discussion regarding
published signage for Medal of Honor Boulevard. Chris, I believe you have
this on your, your docket. Yep. So drove on Medal of Honor Boulevard,
several times and then the thought dawned on me as I saw I was leaving the city of
Pueblo Pueblo County maintenance picked up and then I got dumped off on Purcell
and nothing said welcome to Pueblo West so that's where the idea came from
I
haven't put too much thought into it I did look up where district on
property is so it would be feasible to do based on that simple search. And open to discussion
to see if you guys think that's worth it. Yeah. Any thoughts, Genoen?
The only thing I don't like is the transition from 45 back to 40 in 55 in the middle. I'm
like just make it one speed all the way. You know what I'm saying? It's like because
everybody's going to push that speed limit and then you got to slow down to 40
right there about a gel. So we're thinking the same kind of sign as
what's off of Highway 50, correct? Right, yeah I agree with the signage being
there would be appropriate. Yeah I would say yeah at the top end. Kind of
grand it. This is what our signs look like.
To be consistent, I would say, yeah.
Okay. That was your thought too, correct?
I think so, if that's what we're looking for. I tried to cost, you know, just general search
of like what the cost estimate and it did range from 10,000 to 30,000. I think that
does make it a capital project based on that. And so one of the questions we were just
asked is, is it feasible and appropriate to do within the next budget cycle to
get something to be able to do in 2027 essentially? I do think that would be
consistent with our planning purposes so that way we don't mid-cycle try to add
something to it. So anyway usually talk about budget amendments. So as long as
that's comfortable I think that's something we can put into the project. I
think the only other conversation that might come up with the board is if we
typically set aside capital project funding. I'm gonna throw out a number here
it's hypothetical. If we have two million dollars of projects and two
million dollars available and this came on top of that question would be do we
find more funding, do we cap it until there's a cycle that works? That's the only question
I can anticipate coming up if it does come up. Not say it does, but a question of its
prioritization for the 2027 budget. Correct.
Okay. Yeah, we can have that discussion during
the budget meetings. Sounds good this summer. Okay. Oh, the only thing I want to mention,
I apologize, was the sign, the logo. If we add anything to state, you know, welcome
on the public west are, I think it's, oh gosh,
where EGLE soar, I believe is our actual statement.
If we're consistent with anything
that's already either trademarked or consistent,
I don't think there's a lot that we necessarily
have to consider, want to consider,
but if we're looking to put something else there,
I think you had a couple ideas that you had mentioned.
Yeah, a couple ideas, that's what I thought about it.
I was gonna say something X number of parts
and things like that, but then it,
obviously that fluctuates and whatnot,
so I didn't wanna.
And there's some ideas like numbers that can be probably interchanged a little bit easier.
So those may be work aroundable.
But if you take a statement, let's say with a sunshine, make something up.
One of the thoughts of the board might want to consider is community input or feedback
before that sign goes.
I could see like that entrance path to Liberty Point.
One on my call, I could say Gateway to the Reservoir, stuff like that, just to lead them.
So we could, like you said, gather input from the community and do a vote on it or something.
I think that's great, I did.
A whole West, Middle Horizons community.
Okay, so I guess a timeline of when that would happen, what are your thoughts?
Yeah, so if I understand guys at least right now based on general agreement is we'll start prepping and getting a cost estimates
I know we're in the capital improvement project cycle right now
Sean still here sorry to add to his plate, but we'll add that to it try to get cost estimates
Understand what the project is and then during the normal budget cycle will have a section that's dedicated to capital projects
Yeah, I'll discuss further. It's actually referring to the sorry my fault referring to the questionnaire to the public
Like when we would give feedback
The question wait till 2027 or would we put it out now so we know let me ask and get some thoughts on staff because I know a couple, especially with parks master plan. I know they've done in the past, but they've gotten that. I don't know what their cycle look like, but we'll try to make it so that way we can get that information while ahead of finalizing the product.
Fair enough. So follow up.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you. Thanks. Good idea, Chris.
Next up public comments. Do you have any other public comments?
We've received no public comments. No more. Okay, board member and district manager closing comments who would like to go first?
Me because I thought
We used to do the and you guys are I'm sure you're still working on how to
Get it back
Get it back, but we used to do the updates on the different
additional committees and such like that. So I was wondering, are we moving that to the,
can I just get an update on what we've done with that?
I apologize. That was removed from the board agendas as an intent to reduce the scope and size of the board meetings.
But we do need to provide an alternative to be able to say this is where we're going to make those updates.
So it doesn't necessarily take the time within the meeting to do so.
I think it's something we intended to talk about during the mid-year report the July 17th to get a little bit of feedback for it.
So I apologize. I don't think I'd share that information as far as one of our topics.
That's all right, because I was just thinking about, like the golf course I haven't heard about the golf course for a while, so I was curious.
I wanted to share, so it's okay on that exact point, like Director Potter, so I'm sorry.
You and I talked a little bit about those kind of frequently asked questions, things
that come up for it, and those updates that you're kind of referring to might be able
to help address those.
So I think that's something that will facilitate.
And then what it might look like, and we'll get the board's feedback on this, is if you're
part of that committee sending that update, just kind of like how we've been doing
for the admin building or the pool committee, and either assigning a board member to
provide that in a certain location so that everybody can see it, and then publishing
on our website so that way people can see it there, too.
Okay, I appreciate bringing out this. Okay, so we'll talk about it mid-term and
next month we'll talk about it and the scope of it and get some feedback on how
to move forward with it. Okay, thanks,
Rodney. I'm having no comment. Thank you.
Okay, great. I just want to say at the first of the year in January at our
first meeting that this would be a year of accountability and it's proven
to be a year of accountability. My personal take on that is, is that I worked for the government for
many years and I didn't trust the government. And I came down hard on our Metro District
government employees here. And I see a new vision because there's a lot at the end of the
Our administration is discovering things, exposing things, and here in the near future it's going to instill a huge amount of public trust in the metro district and how it functions in our community here.
I want you to keep your eyes open. I also want you to come July the 9th to the library. I want that overflow room to be utilized.
Let's get a hundred-plus people on there. I think we're supposed to have three county commissioners in there
so
If you could please attend please do that's at 5 30 p.m.. July tonight, and I hope everybody had a good Father's Day weekend
And that's about it. God bless America
So I
Just had a comment about the fire in Colorado City
you know that happened over the weekend. I want to thank all the community members out
there that are supporting one another and helping each other through that.
Hopefully we don't
see too much that happened this summer although it is dry. I understand we are not doing
the 4th of July event and it's being moved to potentially December, correct?
And a lot
of other agencies are doing something similar just to mitigate fire danger.
So I appreciate the community for understanding and others probably still some upset people,
but we need to make sure we take care of one another.
That's all I have.
Christian, do you have anything?
I actually do not.
Thank you, though.
All right.
So I will make the motion since Bill's not here.
I'll go ahead and make the motion to recess our normal meeting and move into the executive
the obsession for the purposes of one, 24-6-4024E, color revised statute determining positions
relative to matters that may be subject to negotiations, developing strategy for negotiations
and instructing negotiators for buyout opportunity in the tower lease, and two, 24-6-4024B, color
revised statute conferences with an attorney for the public entity for the purposes
of receiving legal advice on specific legal questions regarding A, matters regarding 567
East Tenager Drive, and B, regarding assignment of positions to 6C Oversight Committee and
Rhodes IGA.
Second.
All right.
So we have a motion and a second to move into executive session.
All those in favor?
Aye.
Any opposed?
All right.
And we are in the executive session with Spive and Rhesus.