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We're going to uh convene as the Bud

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we will start with the pledge of

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allegiance. Just so you know, we'll have

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flags in the back that we will face.

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There is an American flag behind us. If

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you will face that, all please rise.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» All right, we have our uh general

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business. We have orders presented by

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our county clerk.

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>> Make a motion to accept the orders

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presented by the clerk as presented.

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>> Second.

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>> Got a motion. Second. All in favor say

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>> I.

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>> Uh we have our edit registers as

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presented by the county clerk.

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>> All right. Make a motion to accept the

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edit registries as presented.

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>> Second.

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>> Got a motion second. All in favor say I.

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>> I. I.

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>> We have our prior meeting minutes. Any

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corrections?

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>> Nope.

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meeting minutes as presented.

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>> Second.

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>> Got a motion second. All in favor say I.

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>> Did not see erroneous assessments or

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combined ads. We do have our personnel

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and payroll orders.

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>> All right. Make a motion to approve the

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personnel and payroll orders as

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presented.

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>> Got a motion second. All in favor say I.

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>> We have our bills.

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>> All right. Make a motion to accept the

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bills as presented.

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>> Second.

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>> Got a motion second. All in favor say I.

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>> The state settlements fuciary orders.

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authorizing the president to sign off on

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the estate settlement and fiduciary

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orders.

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>> Make a motion for commission president

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to sign all necessary documents for the

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estates and fiduciary orders as

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>> Got a motion second. All in favor say I.

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>> All right. And we will come back to

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budget revisions and board appointments.

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So for those that don't normally come to

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our meeting, uh we do have one board

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interview scheduled. So, we will take a

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uh short executive session break to do

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this interview and then we will come

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back into executive session. Should be

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roughly 5 to 7 minutes. With that, I'll

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entertain a motion to go in executive

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session for purpose of board interview.

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>> Make a motion to go into executive

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session.

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>> Got a motion to second. All in favor say

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come back into regular session.

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>> All right. Make a motion to come into uh

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regular session.

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>> Got a motion to second. All those in

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favor say I.

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>> All right. Ready?

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>> All right. I'd like to make a motion to

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uh appoint Sherry OD to the Putnham

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>> tourism to the Putnham County Tourism

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Board uh to be effective August 25th for

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a term to expire on June 30th of 2029.

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>> Thank you guys. We'll get to Sherry

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Cherry, we'll send you the packet

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afterwards.

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>> I'd also like to make a motion to

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appoint Richard Bowen uh to the Putham

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County Board of Zoning and Appeals

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effective August 25th, 2026 and a term

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to expire on January 1st of 2027.

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All right, for our agenda items, we have

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a proclamation for Putnham County Goes

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Purple, the Hope Dealer Project.

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Is there anyone here from the project?

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Okay, we'll go ahead and uh read the

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resolution.

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[clears throat] excuse me. Proclamation

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Putham County goes purple, the Hope

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Dealer Project, September 2026.

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Whereas the National Recovery Month is

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held every September to increase

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awareness and understanding of mental

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and substance abuse disorders and to

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celebrate those in recovery for their

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strength and perseverance. hand. Whereas

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the color purple has been utilized to

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symbolize

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the struggle taking place in communities

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across the country as individuals,

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families, healthc care providers, and

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law enforcement agencies face the

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growing crisis of opioid abuse. And

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whereas Putnham County goes purple is an

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awareness campaign focused on

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prevention, treatment, and recovery

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resources available in the community and

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will you emphasize the role local

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agencies play in combating this

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epidemic. And whereas Putnham County

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goes purple strives to promote

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conversations around the dangers of

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substance misuse and abuse and

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encourages a community to take a stand

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against it. And now therefore, the

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Putnham County Commission in the state

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of West Virginia does hereby proclaim

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the month of September 2026 to be

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Putinham County goes purple in the

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county of Putnham and call upon the

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people of Putnham County to observe this

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month with appropriate programs,

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activities, and ceremonies. And now

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therefore, be it resolved that we, the

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county commission of Putnham County,

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West Virginia, in the state of West

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Virginia, do hereby proclaim September

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2026 as Putnham County goes purple

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National Recovery Month

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in Putnham County and encourage all

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citizens to join in this observance. The

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Putham County Commission encourages the

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community to wear purple, light up their

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homes or business with with purple

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lights, tie a purple rabbin, excuse me,

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tie a purple ribbon on their tree,

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fence, or door, make a purple heart

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display, or get creative and display

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purple another way. Dated this 25th day

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of August, 2026, and signed by each of

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the county commissioners.

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>> Thank you, Larry. So, kind of following

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up that uh discussion and possible

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decision to approve Putham County's

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application for opioid settlement funds.

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opioid funds and early on we had

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committed $250,000 to Marshall

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University to be part of a leverage up

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into a larger project. They were

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applying for a grant to uh help things

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regionally. uh Putnham County as well as

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a few other counties had uh joined in in

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setting aside those funds. Uh we were

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informed by Dr. Franks with Marshall

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that their application was rejected. So

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therefore we have $250,000 in of opioid

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funds that can be spent towards

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treatment. Um in talking to Dr. Matthew

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Christensen who is the region 5

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represent uh representative for the West

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Virginia First Foundation which holds

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most of the opioid money. He said region

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5 has a expert panel that can review

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applications and as they come in. So

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what we're looking to do now is uh

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establish an application that uh

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entities can apply for uh for treatment

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and we can send it off to uh that expert

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panel for review and comments back uh

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just so we can make sure that the the

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money opioid funds will be spent

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appropriately.

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Um, commissioners, you've had that

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application submitted to you for review.

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manager, I'd ask that you would have it

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available on the website and that we can

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make it public for we can start

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receiving those applications and send

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them off for the expert panel to review.

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applications for the overall funds as

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» All right. Next up, County Manager Tim

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>> All right. So, what I have today is the

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bid opening for the Pman County

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Recycling Bin fencing uh project. Um,

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looks like we've received uh three bids

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to uh to purchase and install a fence

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around some uh incoming uh recycling

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bins that are be housed behind the

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sheriff's department. So, the uh the

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first bid is

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it's from Ballard Fence Company.

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all their required documentation and

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their bid comes in at 18,200.

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is from BPI Incorporated.

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Looks like they have all their required

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documentation as well. Um, their bid is

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for $48,493.

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documentation and their bid comes back

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at $37,562.

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That's all the bids I've received.

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So, if you guys wouldn't mind, I need a

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uh a motion to approve the apparent low

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bidder for the project

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>> Okay. Make a motion to approve the low

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bidder uh pending staff review of

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Ballard Fencing.

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>> Got a motion second. All in favor say I.

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» All right. We have the Kuster Ridge

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waterline project status and update and

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resolutions for payment. We have

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somebody from regional intergovernmental

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council here.

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Are they Were you given anything to

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present?

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>> No, I ain't giving anything.

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>> Okay.

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All right. We will move past that.

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So, next up we have a Putin County

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Planning Commission resoning request.

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Melissa, sorry.

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Good evening everyone.

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>> Evening.

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This is resoning request 2026-4

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for Valda Court Farm Limited

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Partnership. Desires to reszone tax map

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172 parcels 2 and three in Winfield from

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RR rural residential district to C2

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highdensity commercial district. The

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request should be considered in

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accordance with chapter 8A of the West

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Virginia code, Putnham County's adopted

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plans, and the adopted zoning ordinance.

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The applicable planning documents

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include the comprehensive plan reference

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attachment A, the 35 corridor management

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plan, reference attachment B, and the

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Taz Valley land use plan attachment C.

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Full copies of each of these are at the

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president's seat.

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Article 150 of the zoning ordinance

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defines an amendment while article 2000

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establishes resoning procedures.

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The RR district provisions are included

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as attachment D and are intended to

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establish low density residential areas

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consisting of single family dwellings

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and compatible uses. The C2 district

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provisions are included as attachment E

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and are intended to provide a wide range

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of commercial uses requiring convenient

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automobile and truck access.

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The timeline and facts section of your

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summary discusses the specifics.

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In February 2005, the property deed was

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recorded in the Putnham County Clerk's

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Office. A copy is included as attachment

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F. The deed states that the parcels

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contain a total of 305 acres. However,

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this figure does not account for acreage

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acquired from the US 35 rightway.

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Current county assessment records

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indicate approximately 288 acres.

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April 4th of this year, a resoning

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application was submitted. A disclo the

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disclos excuse me the disclosure

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statement with the application is in

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attachment G.

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A current zoning map is included as

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attachment H.

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Yellow is RR, purple is I1, red is C2,

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and blue is IOP.

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Surrounding properties and zoning are as

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follows. You'll see tax map 162 parcel

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51. It's 141 acres also owned by Va

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Court and assessed as a farm extending

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from Canal River south of the US 35. It

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includes I1 between the Canal River and

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Winfield Road, RR in the southernmost

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portion and C2 over the majority of the

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property.

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1729.1

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28 acres to the south zoned RR and used

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as a private residence.

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1729

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66 acres of woodlands to the south zoned

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RR.

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17210

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40 acres of woodlands to the south zoned

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RR

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1724.2

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2 32 acres of woodlands to the southeast

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zoned IOP

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and 1724

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95 acres zoned C2 previously used as a

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golf course extending from US Route 35

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to the Canal River.

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If approved, the resoning would create a

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continuous area of C2 and industrial

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zone property between the existing

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zoning districts rather than maintaining

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the present RR separation.

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The subject parcels have approximately

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2500 linear feet of frontage along

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Winfield Road, 2400 ft along Route 35,

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and 2700 ft along the Canal River.

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The rights of ways for Winfield Road and

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US35 divide each subject parcel into

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three sections. Parcel 2 contains

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approximately 13 acres between Winfield

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Road and the Canal River, 84 acres

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between Winfield Road and 35, and 60

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acres south of 35. Parcel 3 contains

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approximately 10 acres between Winfield

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Road and the Canal River, 79 acres

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between Winfield Road and Route 35, and

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42 acres south of 35.

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These estimates are approximately 288

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acres, consistent with the current

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county assessment records.

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Attachment I are photographs of the

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property and aerial imagery. FEMA's

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mapped 100-year flood plane and floodway

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are located within the site's

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boundaries. See attachment J.

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DOT traffic data indicates that traffic

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volumes on Route 817,

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which is an 80 foot wide roadway, have

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declined significantly due to completion

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of the 35 project, resulting in

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underutilization of a roadway capable of

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accommodating higher volumes.

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The subject land is approximately 1,200

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f feet from a tiff district. Attachment

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K shows the existing tiff in yellow.

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Water service is available through West

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Virginia American. This property will

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have a sewer service um available along

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Winfield Road once sewer easements are

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finalized and the current sewer

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expansion project complete.

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On June 25th, the planning commission

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held a public hearing for the subject

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application.

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Public comments received are detailed in

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Roman numeral six of your packet. After

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closing the public hearing, the planning

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commission deliberated and unanimously

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re recommended approval citing the

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creation of a continuous C2 and

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industrially zoned area, elimination of

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the existing RR zoning separation, and

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the parcel's substantial frontage along

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Route 35 and Winfield Road. That same

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evening, staff did verbally announce

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that this application would be presented

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tonight.

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On July 9th and 16th, legal

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advertisement for the subject resoning

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request and tonight's meeting was

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published in the Hurricane Breeze. On

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July 17, abuing land owners within 250

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ft were sent certified notice of

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tonight's agenda. Planning Commission

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attendees who provided a mailing address

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but were outside the 250 foot area were

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notified by regular mail. Signs were

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posted on site August 18. To date, the

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only public comments received were

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during the public commission the public

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hearing at the planning commission.

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Spot zoning is recognized as a zoning

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amendment that is invalid because it is

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inconsistent with a comprehensive or

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well-considered plan. A resoning

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decision should not be based on a

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specific proposed use. Rather, the

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application should be evaluated based on

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the permitted uses of the requested

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zoning classification.

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If approved, the land owner would be

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entitled to any permitted C2 use just as

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the property is currently entitled to

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any permitted RR use. Your different

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options for tonight, there are four. You

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may table the matter if you desire

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additional information.

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You may approve the application as

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requested if you find that it protects

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and promotes the public health, safety,

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convenience, morals, and general welfare

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and meets the intent of the referenced

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planning documents.

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You may deny the request if you find

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that it does not protect and promote as

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referenced. And you may approve in part

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and deny in part if you find that only a

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portion of the request meets the needed

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standards. Um, on the back sheet of your

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packet, you'll find the resoning

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worksheet as normal, and I will do my

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best to answer questions if you have

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them.

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>> Thank you, Melissa. Commissioners, any

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questions, staff, before we go into

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public hearing?

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>> No, sir. I do not.

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>> No, sir.

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>> All right. I'll entertain a motion for

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public hearing.

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>> Make a motion for public hearing.

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>> Second.

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>> Got a motion to second. All those in

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favor say I.

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>> I. I.

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>> So, this is a public hearing regarding

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this resoning request. Is there anyone

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that would like to make public comment

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regarding this request? Yes, ma'am. If

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you would please come to the microphone,

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state your name and address for the

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record.

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» Hi, my name is Marilyn Fost. I live in

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Nitro.

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Um, I'm going to make a comment that I

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will hope you will bear with me and the

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people will bear with me for my first

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comment. I don't believe in socialism. I

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don't believe in communism. I believe

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that people work for what they want and

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what they need. I believe that um um you

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get what you pay for. My first thing is I don't want more of these people,

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but I know they're here, but I'm also

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going to comment on that also.

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>> Well, let's let's keep this one just to

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this reasonzoning request that we'll

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have another public comment for anything

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else not on the agenda later on.

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>> For so for the data center.

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>> Yeah. Anything not on the agenda.

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Correct. This is

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>> anything but

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>> this is only for this reasonzoning

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request to reszone this parcel. And I

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apologize.

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00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:05,679
>> No, you're fine.

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>> Have nice zone.

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» Either one. Yeah.

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» Good evening. Uh, commissioners. Um,

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>> if you would state your name and

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address.

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>> My name is Brian Martin and I've spoken

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to you several times. uh Fraser's bottom

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and uh I'm [clears throat] here because

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of the data centers, but uh I noticed in

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this resolution or this proposal here

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that you're uh wanting to go from rural

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residential district to high density

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commercial district and uh that catches

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my eye because data centers are high

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density impact and uh those are that's

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what this is and this is red we just

534
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look at it it's red on the river you

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know they want land they want water I

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would like to know who is wanting to

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make this high density, who who is

538
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asking this and what are they going to

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put there. Thank you.

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>> Yep. So, just for clarification, uh the

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Vakart Farms is the land owner and they

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don't have to tell us what their intent

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is. They're just asking for reasonzoning

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of property.

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>> What was the name of that company?

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>> Valdacort Farms. Valda Court, V A L D.

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And they they may choose to speak uh as

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well during this this process.

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Mike, do you want to speak?

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00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,640
Uh Mike Moeller, hello 57 Tate Hollow

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Road in Hurricane. Um on on this issue

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alone,

553
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,399
let's take it slow. Let's not make any

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decisions on this today because you can

555
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see all these people are here because of

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a decision that was made hastily. Um, so

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I would ask that you all table this for

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now, have some more discussions about

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it, look into the impacts of what this

560
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,240
is going to do to the county, both

561
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,840
negative and positive, and just uh just

562
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,080
slow things down a little bit and keep

563
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,840
us in the loop. We'll continue to show

564
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,440
up and be here for you. Thank you.

565
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,960
>> Anyone else like to make public comment

566
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,360
regarding this issue?

567
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,350
Shirley.

568
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,720
I had your name written down first,

569
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,669
Shirley.

570
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:26,720
» Well, hello everybody. Glad to see this

571
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,840
fall. Um, I've lived in Frasier's Bottom

572
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,080
all my life. I just want to make a

573
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,399
comment because I've been following the

574
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:37,279
Smith property. Um, I actually used to

575
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,720
babysit for them. Uh in February of

576
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,880
2023,

577
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,720
uh I went to a county commission meeting

578
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,440
and um uh the county commissioners voted

579
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,520
2 to one. Ellis was okay. They said no

580
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,799
from going to rural residential to C2

581
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,360
due to traffic concerns.

582
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,279
December the 28th, 2023,

583
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:09,440
unanimous they voted 3 to nothing. C2,

584
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,279
highly commercial, 35 acres,

585
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:16,640
600 parking spaces, three shifts. That's

586
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,919
1800 cars on Route 35.

587
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:21,919
When they voted three to nothing, I

588
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:24,480
thought, "Wow,

589
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,399
you wouldn't do it for this, but now

590
00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:29,360
you're doing it for you. Look who's who

591
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,200
owns the property." That's all I'm

592
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,880
saying. And um

593
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,399
I just want to say we all vote

594
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:41,039
That is our power and the only power we

595
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,360
have. We need some new blood. Thank you.

596
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,470
[applause]

597
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,622
Anyone else?

598
00:31:52,622 --> 00:31:53,519
[applause]

599
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:58,230
Anyone else regarding this issue?

600
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,559
All right. Entertain a motion to close

601
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:01,679
public hearing.

602
00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:03,360
>> Make a motion to close public hearing.

603
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,039
>> Second. Got a motion second. All in

604
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,919
favor say I. I. I.

605
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:09,519
All right, gentlemen, you have the

606
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,480
packets before you and as it's been laid

607
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,679
out. Um, so as we look at how uh this

608
00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:23,279
proposed resoning uh along US Route 35

609
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:26,080
um affects our US 35 corridor management

610
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,640
plan, our TA Valley land use plan, our

611
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,120
comprehensive plan, uh things to

612
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,720
consider. We have to consider how it

613
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,960
impacts the community, but we also have

614
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,120
to consider the land owner of why um if

615
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,000
we chose not to reszone, why we we would

616
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,840
choose not to resone his property

617
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,080
compared to other uh properties in the

618
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,799
area. Um

619
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,120
first off, any other questions of staff

620
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,919
before we deliberate?

621
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:55,440
>> Yes, sir. county.

622
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,200
>> So the first question we have to ask,

623
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,760
will the proposed amendment protect and

624
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,440
promote the public health, safety,

625
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,880
convenience, morals, and general

626
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,320
welfare?

627
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,000
>> Commissioner Ellis,

628
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,640
>> my answer to that is yes, it will. In

629
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:15,279
fact, the the 35 quarter plan, the uh

630
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:18,480
the land use plan, that's why Route 35

631
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,600
was built is to access West Virginia

632
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:28,799
better. uh to to bring West Virginia in into the the the current I say future

633
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:33,679
of of the United States, the uh

634
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:36,720
the land owner has every right to to

635
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,240
apply for a a reszoning of his

636
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,799
personally held properties as anyone

637
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:46,159
does. Uh so my answer to that would be

638
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:47,120
yes.

639
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,120
>> Mr. reverse it.

640
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,799
>> I think a lot of the property

641
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,679
surrounding it is already zoned that way

642
00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:55,279
anyway. So, I don't really see a big

643
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:58,000
downside to it. So, I would say yes.

644
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,320
>> Okay. I would also say yes, this is

645
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,880
consistent along US35

646
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,559
um with the land owner. He has

647
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,080
additional land in the area that's

648
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,440
already zoned C2. Um, you know, I I

649
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,359
don't think we have the ability to deny

650
00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:15,040
his request to change the usage. I do

651
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,280
understand u we've had many discussions

652
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,079
in these chambers about traffic on 35

653
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,240
and and the accidents that we've have

654
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,639
there and we we fully understand that

655
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,720
and we will continue to to put pressure

656
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:30,240
on DOT regarding those issues but again

657
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:33,040
um we have to have justification in

658
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,800
order to deny this application which I

659
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,440
feel like we don't have. Number two, is

660
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,200
the amendment consistent in achieving

661
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,480
the objectives of the adopted

662
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,560
comprehensive plan, US 35 corridor

663
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,320
management plan, and the Taz Valley land

664
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,879
use plan? Commissioner Ellis,

665
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:54,240
>> answer is yes, it does. Uh it is yes to all three of those. And um again, it

666
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:55,440
is why

667
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,839
>> would you speak up? It's why that the uh

668
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:02,880
route 35 was was constructed

669
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,760
again to to access West Virginia to a

670
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,560
broader market. So my answer to that is

671
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,520
yes.

672
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,280
>> Commissioner Pearson.

673
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,079
>> Obviously with its uh location there by

674
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,760
US35 I think it does meet the u

675
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,760
objectives of that comprehensive plan.

676
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,760
So I would say yes.

677
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,760
>> I would also say yes along with the

678
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,800
frontage that it has along US35. Uh, it

679
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,119
absolutely fits into the US35 corridor

680
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,040
management plan and the Taz Valley land

681
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,560
use plan that were created in the

682
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,480
mid90s.

683
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,079
All right, answering one and two. We

684
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,560
don't have to go to number three. With

685
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,200
that, we'll go back to our agenda and

686
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,599
I'll entertain a motion.

687
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,000
>> All right, I'll make a motion to approve

688
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,240
the reasonzoning request by Victor Court

689
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:49,920
Farms as presented.

690
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,560
>> Second.

691
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,000
>> Got a motion second. All those in favor

692
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:58,230
say I. I. I.

693
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,280
All right. Uh we have a have a grant

694
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,760
contract. Tim Hannah.

695
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,760
>> All right. [clears throat]

696
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,680
So we have applied for and received uh

697
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,920
HABA which is helping Americans vote act

698
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,560
security fund uh grant

699
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,960
uh funds for the county clerk's office.

700
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,320
Uh we received $7,572.40

701
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,480
40 cents to purchase election equipment

702
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,800
and other uh supplies for the county

703
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,920
clerk's office. Um I really just need a

704
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,480
motion for the president to sign the all

705
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,800
necessary documents for this grant.

706
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,160
>> All right. I'll make a motion for

707
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,599
commission president to sign all

708
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,520
necessary documents on the grant

709
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,880
application as presented.

710
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,440
>> Second.

711
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,280
>> Got a motion second. All in favor say I.

712
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,000
>> I. I.

713
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,920
>> All right. The uh the next thing I have

714
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,160
is the 24th cycle funding application

715
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,760
for the courthouse facilities

716
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,880
improvement authority grant program. Um

717
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,440
so this year we are going to request

718
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,480
$28,000 you from the courthouse

719
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,839
facilities improvement authority in

720
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:04,400
order to purchase a new power unit for

721
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,880
our aging elevator in the end of

722
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,720
courthouse to to make sure that people

723
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,359
can get to and from you the first and

724
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:14,400
second floors used safely. Um you guys

725
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,160
have any questions? I do not.

726
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,440
>> I just need a motion for the president

727
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,160
to sign.

728
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,920
>> All right. Make a motion for the

729
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,599
commission president to sign all

730
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,720
necessary documents on the uh courthouse

731
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,400
funding grant as presented.

732
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,359
>> Second.

733
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:28,640
>> Got a motion second. All those in favor

734
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,119
say I.

735
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:34,870
>> I. I.

736
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,640
» All right.

737
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,640
>> Larry.

738
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,040
>> Yes. Commissioners, as you know, we are

739
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,359
in the process of uh trying to get in

740
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:45,520
the Fisher Bridge waterline extension

741
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,160
program or project. Uh there are two

742
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,800
documents that we have been provided.

743
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,040
They're asking for the first one, which

744
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,760
is the uh county commission president to

745
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,000
sign a letter of intent for the Fiser

746
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,480
Ridge Waterline Extension Project. And

747
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,640
then there is a second document that

748
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,440
they're asking to be sent back and sent

749
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,240
signed. It's the non-federal sponsors

750
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,000
selfcertification

751
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,240
of financial ability for decision

752
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:16,079
documents and agreements. U and I would

753
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,400
suggest that Mr. Hannah be authorized to

754
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,200
make that to sign those documents on

755
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,280
behalf of the county commission. But the

756
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
first one in the letter of intent u just

757
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,800
requires the president's signature.

758
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,160
>> Good with that?

759
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,760
>> All right. I'll make a motion for the

760
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,320
commission president to sign the letter

761
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,119
of intent for the waterline extension as

762
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:37,760
presented.

763
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,640
>> Second.

764
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,000
>> Got a motion second. All those in favor

765
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:40,880
say I.

766
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,000
>> I. [clears throat]

767
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,040
>> I'll make a motion for Kim Hannah to

768
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,640
sign all all necessary documents uh on

769
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,800
our behalf as presented.

770
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,200
>> Second.

771
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,960
>> Got a motion second. All in favor say I.

772
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,440
>> I. I. Uh for those in the audience, this

773
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,720
is a $3 million water project out on

774
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,040
Fischer's Ridge that will bring uh water

775
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,400
to about 70 homes out there. And this is

776
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,520
going to be 80% federally grant funded

777
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,079
with the the state matching the 20%

778
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,589
grant.

779
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,599
» And this has been a long time long time

780
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,320
coming on on uh Kuster Ridge and Fiser

781
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,760
Ridge, by the way. Yeah.

782
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:22,480
>> Yes.

783
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,240
>> Is everybody in Fisher Ridge here

784
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,160
tonight?

785
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,320
Okay, just checking.

786
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,800
All right, we will do budget revisions

787
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,720
and purchase orders and then we will

788
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,560
have public comment for everything not

789
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,720
on the agenda. So Tim, you want to do

790
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,960
>> All right. I do have one budget

791
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520
revision. It's for the Department of 405

792
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,440
prosecutor's office. Uh they are

793
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,680
requesting to decrease capital outlay by

794
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,400
$3,000 and increase contracted services

795
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,800
by $3,000.

796
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,320
>> Make a motion to accept the order as

797
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:52,800
presented.

798
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,200
>> Second.

799
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,720
>> Got a motion second. All those favor say

800
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:55,280
I. I.

801
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,640
>> I.

802
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,960
>> All right. The first payment order I

803
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,440
have is to issue a check from the

804
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,040
general county fund in the amount of

805
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,680
$25,000 made payable to Hurricane Fire

806
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,960
Department for the county's portion of

807
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,800
the Falcon Highway rollover tanker

808
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,880
training prop.

809
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,040
>> Make a motion to accept it as presented.

810
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,440
>> Second.

811
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,280
>> Got a motion second. All in favor say I.

812
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,400
>> I. I. Uh, the next is to issue a check

813
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,160
from the dog fund in the amount of

814
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,480
$2,262.50

815
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,320
made payable to selling associates for

816
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,480
architectural design services for the

817
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,480
Putnham County Animal Shelters Kennel

818
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Canopy Project.

819
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,240
>> Make a motion to accept the order as

820
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:34,800
presented.

821
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,119
>> Second.

822
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:36,400
>> Got a motion second. All those in favor

823
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:36,880
say I.

824
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,040
>> I. I.

825
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,119
The next is to issue a check from the

826
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,640
opioid fund in the amount of $2,15

827
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,079
made payable to recovery point of

828
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,160
Huntington Incorporated for Pton County

829
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,920
beds for the month of July 2026.

830
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,520
>> Make a motion to accept the order as

831
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,000
presented.

832
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,560
>> Second.

833
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,920
>> Got a motion second. All those in favor

834
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:56,400
say I.

835
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,160
>> I.

836
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,240
>> And the last two I have are both out of

837
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,640
the TIFF fund. Uh the first is to issue

838
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,150
a check in the amount of $226,46148

839
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,160
payable to West Banko Bank Incorporated

840
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,160
trustee for July 2026 TIFF revenue. And

841
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,359
the next is to issue a check in the

842
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:21,589
amount of $90,54947

843
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,119
payable to benchmark construction

844
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:23,680
incorpor.

845
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,319
>> If you would give me our lady here go

846
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:29,599
that tried to jump in ahead of time.

847
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,680
We we if we can uh we can finish it off.

848
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Uh

849
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,920
>> so start over.

850
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,800
>> Okay.

851
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,560
>> I don't believe in socialism. I don't

852
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,119
believe in communism. I believe you work

853
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,359
for what you want. You pay for you get

854
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:43,839
what you pay for. One of the things I'm

855
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:46,480
here for for two issues. First one is we

856
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,160
passed the levy for Pupman County for

857
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,040
the fire department. 5% increase on

858
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,280
taxes. I have no problem with that. I

859
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,040
live in Nitro.

860
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,480
Even though I won't receive any of the

861
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,520
services from that, I am fine with it.

862
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,280
Everybody deserves to have a fire

863
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,760
department. We in Nitro have one of the

864
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,560
best that you can have, police and fire

865
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,599
department. They are absolutely amazing.

866
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:11,280
whenever they've been needed here,

867
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,760
they're there and immediately

868
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,000
I have been working with the mayor of

869
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,200
Nitro and saying that because we pay

870
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,960
already pay because we live in the city

871
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,520
Nitro 7%

872
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,560
for our fire department. We also pay for

873
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,599
five 5% for everybody else that's not in

874
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:33,280
our nitro area which use our services.

875
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,880
My problem with that is is that if I

876
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,119
need them and they're in Taz Valley or

877
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:43,190
they're here or they're there,

878
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,160
I'm not getting what I'm paying for.

879
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,240
So, I have no problem with that. But I

880
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,319
just feel so I talked to you about this

881
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:50,800
before.

882
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:51,440
>> Yes.

883
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,760
>> And now I'm being told that it's not

884
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,000
going to happen for the simple fact that

885
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,560
well, what if someone dies? Well, what

886
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,079
if my family dies?

887
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,160
>> Yeah. So, if you have a call in Nitro,

888
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,560
uh, PA and Taz Valley will both be toned

889
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,160
to come to your home. Now, Nitro will be

890
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,040
there first. Absolutely.

891
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,560
>> Well, they should go to the other one

892
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,359
first that's not in Nitro. They should

893
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:12,960
>> Well, I I'd like all three units will

894
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,720
come to your house. If your house is on

895
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,359
fire, Nitro will be toned first and then

896
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:20,000
PA. We've got a three system mutual

897
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,359
>> already called out to somewhere else

898
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:23,200
that they're not paying that 7% like

899
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,520
>> then then Ellaner will come or then

900
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,800
Bankraftoft will come.

901
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,480
>> I'm sure they'll get there very quickly

902
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,240
just as quick as Nitro. whipped beans.

903
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,680
>> So, Nitro,

904
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,680
>> Nitro also comes to other they come to

905
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,839
Taz Valley, they come to PA and

906
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:37,359
>> and you know, I have no problem with it,

907
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,040
but I would like for everybody to help.

908
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,440
Hey, I'm helping you pay for yours, help

909
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,319
pay mine.

910
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:43,200
>> So, we we do

911
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,200
>> So, everybody should be paying 12%, not

912
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,800
just the people of Nitro.

913
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,800
>> So, that is a difference of living in a

914
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,079
city.

915
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:51,839
>> It doesn't make any difference. It

916
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:52,960
doesn't matter cuz they're going to be

917
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,640
clear out in the boondocks. So, if they

918
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,160
take my fire fire department, clear out

919
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,760
in the boondocks, they're not going to

920
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,839
come for me. What if I So the the poker

921
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:00,960
fire station's right there on Main

922
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,400
Street in PO when they get there cuz

923
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,240
it's all volunteer. It

924
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,040
>> it is. And county is all volunteer when

925
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,480
they get there. Instead of being 5

926
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,760
minutes, it could be 30 minutes.

927
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,119
>> So that's what we're trying to change.

928
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:12,640
And that's what the levy is there to

929
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,720
change is we have more money now where

930
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,040
we do have paid staff 12 hours a day, 7

931
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,760
days a week. And so right now during the

932
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,599
daytime, there would be Putin County

933
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,359
Fire will come to your establishment.

934
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:26,800
>> Right. Yeah. It's going to take longer.

935
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:27,920
>> Absolutely.

936
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:28,640
>> Yeah. Absolutely.

937
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:29,920
>> Yeah. No respond.

938
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,760
>> We need them to get the quick service,

939
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,839
but I'm But they're not helping me to

940
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:36,640
keep my fast service. So, cuz if we go

941
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,440
up somewhere else,

942
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,839
>> we do support Nitro. Again, this is just

943
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:40,160
starting.

944
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,720
>> I hate cuz I the money that I give cuz I

945
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,640
live in Nitro. You know, it's not going

946
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,119
to be a problem in a few years anyway

947
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:48,640
because me and my family have already

948
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,599
decided we're leaving the area. and just

949
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,720
bring up another comment is um we we

950
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,960
moved here from Ohio. I had a friend

951
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,480
that worked for the board of education.

952
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,839
He says go here. So when I pulled into

953
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:03,200
that neighborhood and I seen all the

954
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,599
kids, I remember thinking, is this the

955
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,359
house? And then I, you know, I went

956
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:09,440
down, I looked at the school and I'm

957
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,760
like,

958
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,680
it's in Pman County. I mean, all these

959
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,119
other beautiful schools in Pupman

960
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,680
County, but being Rock Branch is in

961
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,359
Nitro,

962
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:20,960
goodness knows they told me not to judge

963
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,720
a book by the cover, and I'm so grateful

964
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,720
that I didn't. This one of the best

965
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:27,359
schools I've ever seen, and I really

966
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:28,560
don't want to complain to the board of

967
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,000
education cuz I don't want them to screw

968
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,800
it up.

969
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,200
>> Well, I I'm a Golden Bear from Rock

970
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,800
Branch, so I would agree with you that

971
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,440
it's a great school

972
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,280
>> and it's an amazing school. So, as soon

973
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,359
as my grandchildren are done with

974
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:40,720
elementary, cuz I wasn't real [cough]

975
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,200
impressed with Poke Middle School or the

976
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,680
high school, we will be leaving. But

977
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,040
we're going to make sure that my kids

978
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,720
get that best education in the

979
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,359
beginning. So, we will be leaving.

980
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:52,000
>> Okay.

981
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,240
>> And that's another thing going back to

982
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,319
this data center that everybody is here

983
00:45:56,319 --> 00:46:01,280
for. It's being shoved down our throat

984
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,560
with no say. Socialism, communism is

985
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,560
what it feels like. because we have

986
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,440
absolutely no say and no matter what we

987
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,240
do, we are going to pay for it with our

988
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,040
water, with our electric bill. I mean,

989
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,720
I've already seen the water bill because

990
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,359
we wonderful American water just took

991
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:22,560
over the nitro sewage.

992
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,092
Wait till you get the bill.

993
00:46:25,092 --> 00:46:26,079
>> [clears throat]

994
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:29,440
>> There's no way that a family and the way

995
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,920
I look at it too is that Nitro is one of

996
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,599
the poorest

997
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,599
areas of Pupman County that are in that

998
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,000
area. One of the poorest and being taxed

999
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,560
and paying the school. It's not right.

1000
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,720
I'm done. I'm not even going to argue

1001
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:44,640
with you anymore. We're just going to

1002
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,119
leave.

1003
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:46,400
>> Okay. Thank you.

1004
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,880
>> Thank you.

1005
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,430
>> Yes, ma'am.

1006
00:46:53,440 --> 00:47:01,510
» Yeah, you're fine.

1007
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,599
Good evening, commissioners. Good

1008
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,520
evening, Putham County. Look at you

1009
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,680
guys. It is great to see such a full

1010
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,800
room. So, my name is Jessica Lacy. I'm a

1011
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,400
third-year law student at Penn State

1012
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,560
Dickinson, lifelong Putham County

1013
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,720
resident. My current address is in Red

1014
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:18,480
House.

1015
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,480
and I'm also recently accepted a

1016
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,040
position as the lead point of contact

1017
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,640
and organizer for Putinham United. Now,

1018
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,560
I wanted to come before you tonight to

1019
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,119
introduce myself and to tell you a

1020
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:33,599
little bit about our organization.

1021
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,880
I also want to introduce something that

1022
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,720
I hope represents the kind of

1023
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,880
relationship that we're trying to build

1024
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,520
between the people of Putnham County and

1025
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,680
this commission.

1026
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,480
Tonight, Putnham United is bringing to

1027
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,319
you a resolution.

1028
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:52,880
At its core, this resolution is about

1029
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,839
something very simple. The people of

1030
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:58,880
Putham County having a meaningful voice

1031
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,880
in the decisions that affect the future

1032
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,640
of this county. [clears throat]

1033
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,400
Now, I personally am proud to be from

1034
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,359
Putnham County. We have great schools.

1035
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:10,400
We have a nice area. And we have people

1036
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,839
who care to show up and be here.

1037
00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:15,520
So, the resolution we're presenting to

1038
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,520
you this evening, it's grown out of

1039
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,319
concerns that we've heard from the

1040
00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:22,800
residents of this county about

1041
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,680
development, transparency,

1042
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,760
public participation,

1043
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,160
and the changes that our county may face

1044
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,800
in the coming years. But I want to be

1045
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,480
very clear about res what this

1046
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,520
resolution is and what it is not. It is

1047
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,400
not an attack on the commission. It is

1048
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,643
not an accusation

1049
00:48:42,643 --> 00:48:44,000
[cough]

1050
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,960
and it is not an attempt to create an us

1051
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,839
versus them conflict between the

1052
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:52,800
citizens and their elected officials.

1053
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,440
It's an invitation, to recognize that whatever

1054
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,599
challenges or opportunities come before

1055
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,480
Putnham County, the people who live here

1056
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,280
deserve a seat at the table. And I think

1057
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,960
the best way to explain that is with

1058
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,920
three very familiar words. We the

1059
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,520
people.

1060
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,680
So 250 years ago, take from five to

1061
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,040
seven, the founding fathers created the

1062
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,520
constitution. And in that constitution,

1063
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,240
they said, you know, we the people

1064
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,160
in order to form a more perfect union,

1065
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,079
not an already perfect union, but a

1066
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:31,200
union that's a work in progress,

1067
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,079
establish justice, ensure domestic

1068
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:35,920
tranquility,

1069
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,040
provide for the common defense,

1070
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,400
promote the general welfare, and secure

1071
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,400
the blessings of liberty to ourselves

1072
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,800
and our posterity due here, ordain, and

1073
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,440
establish this constitution.

1074
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,680
We the people.

1075
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,680
Those words are so familiar that

1076
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,599
sometimes I think we forget how

1077
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:58,400
extraordinary they really are.

1078
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,640
Our system of government begins with the

1079
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,800
idea that government does not simply

1080
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,960
happen to people. It belongs to them.

1081
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,839
And democracy only works when we the

1082
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:13,760
people are willing to participate in it.

1083
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,119
That is what we're going to try and

1084
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,920
encourage through Putinham United. For a

1085
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,160
lot of people, government can feel

1086
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,119
intimidating and inaccessible. They care

1087
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,200
deeply about what happens in their

1088
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,280
community, but they may not know how to

1089
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,440
participate. They may have never

1090
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,760
attended a county commission meeting.

1091
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,920
They may not even know who it is that

1092
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,640
actually represents them. They may not

1093
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,440
know where to find information,

1094
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,319
how to ask questions, or even what

1095
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:44,000
happens when they walk through these

1096
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,000
doors. So, we decided to start there. We

1097
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,240
asked the people of Putham County to

1098
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:55,040
show up and tonight they did. We did not

1099
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,280
invite people here to attack this

1100
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,880
commission.

1101
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,119
We did not invite them here to make your

1102
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:04,400
jobs harder. And we certainly did not

1103
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,440
invite them to create hostility between

1104
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,200
the citizens and their elected

1105
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,720
officials.

1106
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,480
We invited them here because this is

1107
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,319
their government.

1108
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:16,720
We want people to learn how it works. We

1109
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,440
want them to learn to participate. And

1110
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,599
most importantly, we want to help the

1111
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,400
people find their own voices.

1112
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,720
Putnham United does not intend to be a

1113
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,880
substitute for the voices of the people

1114
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,000
who live here. Our goal is to help

1115
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,720
amplify those voices and to help people

1116
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,079
understand how to use them for

1117
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,559
themselves. That's what this re

1118
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:41,440
resolution really represents. It's one

1119
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,359
of our first attempts at taking the

1120
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:45,680
concerns of the citizens and turning

1121
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,240
those concerns into constructive civic

1122
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,079
participation.

1123
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,880
We are saying here is something that the

1124
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,559
people in our community greatly care

1125
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:58,240
about and here is an opportunity for the

1126
00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:59,680
citizens and their elected

1127
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,839
representatives to come together and

1128
00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:04,559
find common ground. But as important as

1129
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,640
that resolution is, the most important

1130
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,400
thing we brought into this room tonight

1131
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,800
isn't a piece of paper. It's these

1132
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,200
people. People who cared enough about

1133
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,480
their community to show up, come to a

1134
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,319
public meeting, listen, learn, and

1135
00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:20,800
participate. And to everyone who came

1136
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,040
here tonight, I want to say something to

1137
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,680
you. We, the people have

1138
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,800
responsibilities, too. Having a voice

1139
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,040
does not mean that we get to drown

1140
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,079
everyone else's out. If we expect our

1141
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,800
elected officials to listen to us, we

1142
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,599
must be willing to listen to them. If we

1143
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:42,160
expect to be treated with respect, we

1144
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,599
must show respect. We must be kind. We

1145
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:48,480
must be willing to listen. And we have

1146
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,319
to be willing to hear something we

1147
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:52,720
disagree with without immediately

1148
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,720
deciding that the person saying it is

1149
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,920
our enemy. We can ask the difficult

1150
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,920
questions. We can disagree passionately.

1151
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,920
We can absolutely hold our government

1152
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,319
officials accountable.

1153
00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:09,119
And we can do all of those things while

1154
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:12,480
treating one another like neighbors

1155
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,800
because we the people whether we like it

1156
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,680
or not includes those who disagree with

1157
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,000
us.

1158
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,680
That may be one of the hardest parts of

1159
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,240
self-government but it may also be the

1160
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:27,440
most important. And commissioners, it is

1161
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,200
my hope that you will help us foster

1162
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,440
that kind of participation.

1163
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,200
The people who came here tonight are not

1164
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,440
your adversaries. They are your

1165
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,680
constituents, but more than that, they

1166
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,599
are your neighbors.

1167
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:42,720
You are part of we the people, too.

1168
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,640
There will be time when residents come

1169
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,559
into this room frustrated, as I'm sure

1170
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,200
you guys are well aware and used to at

1171
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,000
this point.

1172
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:50,880
>> You sure are.

1173
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,200
>> There will be times they ask questions

1174
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,000
you cannot answer. There will be times

1175
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,680
when they ask you to do something you

1176
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,160
don't have the authority to do. And

1177
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,760
there will absolutely be times we

1178
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,640
disagree. That's okay.

1179
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,720
My hope is that someone can walk into

1180
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,280
this room, stand before their elected

1181
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,400
officials, have what they say what they

1182
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,079
have to say, even if it's a

1183
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:16,400
disagreement, and walk out believing

1184
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,800
that participating mattered. Because if

1185
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,480
the people believe that participation

1186
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,960
matters, they will come back. They will

1187
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,280
learn. They will pay attention. They

1188
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,640
will vote. And they will meaningfully

1189
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,040
participate in the growth and

1190
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,200
development of this county.

1191
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,280
That is what we want Putinham United to

1192
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,079
help foster. We want to build a bridge

1193
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:39,520
between this commission and the

1194
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,079
community that feels so divided at this

1195
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:43,839
time.

1196
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:46,559
We also want to bring concerns from the

1197
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:49,200
residents to you and help take

1198
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,119
information from you back to the

1199
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:54,079
residents. If misinformation is

1200
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:57,760
circulating, let us help correct it. If

1201
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,480
people have questions, help us find the

1202
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,960
answers. If this author, if this

1203
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,880
commission has the authority to address

1204
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,280
something, we want residents to

1205
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,440
understand how they can participate in

1206
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,000
that process. And if you don't have that

1207
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,160
authority, we want to be able to explain

1208
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,640
that too and to help people direct their

1209
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,480
energy towards avenues that will

1210
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,760
actually produce a sustainable outcome.

1211
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,839
I don't expect that Putinham United and

1212
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:25,680
this commission will always agree

1213
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,800
because we won't. But disagreements do

1214
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,119
not have to mean hostility.

1215
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:33,680
Accountability does not have to mean

1216
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,440
antagonism.

1217
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,480
And cooperation does not require

1218
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,520
unquestioning agreement. There is an

1219
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,040
enormous amount of space between silence

1220
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,119
and hostility.

1221
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,000
That is the space where democracy lives.

1222
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,280
It lives in rooms like this. It lives

1223
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,640
when ordinary people decide to show up.

1224
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,223
Democracy lives when someone

1225
00:55:58,223 --> 00:56:00,000
[clears throat] who has never spoken at

1226
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,160
a public meeting before finds the

1227
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,160
courage to stand at this podium or that

1228
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,799
microphone. It lives when an elected

1229
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:09,680
official listens to criticism. It lives

1230
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,240
when citizens listen to answers they may

1231
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,880
not like.

1232
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,079
Democracy lives when we disagree, shake

1233
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,720
hands, and come back tomorrow willing to

1234
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:22,480
work together.

1235
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,400
Because ultimately, regardless of where

1236
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,359
any of us stand on any particular issue,

1237
00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:29,599
we share something much more important.

1238
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:33,119
This is our home. I was raised here. I'm

1239
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:35,839
raising raising my family here. And the

1240
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:37,200
people sitting throughout this room are

1241
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,280
our neighbors. We may disagree about

1242
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,440
what is best for Putnham County, but I

1243
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,200
believe most of us are here because we

1244
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,559
care deeply about what happens to it. So

1245
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,880
tonight, I extend a hand in both

1246
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,440
directions.

1247
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,640
We will ask questions. We will advocate.

1248
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,319
Sometimes we will challenge you. But we

1249
00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:02,079
will also listen. We will come to the

1250
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:06,390
table in good faith.

1251
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,920
And I hope you will receive this

1252
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,400
resolution with the same spirit. not

1253
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,880
simply as a list of demands, but as an

1254
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,960
opportunity to say that when major

1255
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,720
decisions about the future of Putnham

1256
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,880
County are being made, the people who

1257
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,880
call this place home deserve to know

1258
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,799
what is happening, deserve an

1259
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:25,119
opportunity to participate, and deserve

1260
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:26,799
to have their voices heard. And my

1261
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:30,000
fellow residents of Putnham County, keep

1262
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,640
showing up. Learn how your government

1263
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,920
works. Ask questions. Listen to the

1264
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,559
answers. Speak when you have something

1265
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:39,839
to say.

1266
00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:43,760
Be respectful. Be kind. And do not ever

1267
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,760
convince yourself that your voice does

1268
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,079
not matter because you're not an elected

1269
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:50,319
official, a business owner, a

1270
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:53,040
politician, a lawyer, or someone with

1271
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,839
political connections. Our government

1272
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:58,000
was never supposed to belong only to the

1273
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,319
people who hold office. It belongs to

1274
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:03,760
all of us. We the people. Not we the

1275
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,319
politicians, not we the powerful, not we

1276
00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:07,760
the people who already know how the

1277
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,640
system works, but we the people. That

1278
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,920
means all of us. And that's ultimately

1279
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,640
what I hope this resolution represents.

1280
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,359
Not just about one project. It's not

1281
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:21,839
just about one controversy. And it's not

1282
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:23,839
about one meeting. It's about something

1283
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:26,319
much more fundamental. When decisions

1284
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:28,000
are being made about the future of

1285
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,559
Putnham County, the people of Putham

1286
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,640
County should have a voice in those

1287
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,240
decisions.

1288
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,640
This is our community. This is our

1289
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,720
government. And this is our

1290
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,240
responsibility.

1291
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,040
So, let's show up. Let's listen to one

1292
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,839
another. Let's find places where we

1293
00:58:45,839 --> 00:58:49,040
agree. And when we disagree, let's show

1294
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,920
each other some respect because Putham

1295
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,960
County belongs to we the people and its

1296
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,559
future should be something we build

1297
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:58,400
together.

1298
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,920
>> Commissioners, with your permission, I'd

1299
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:01,440
like to approach and hand you a copy of

1300
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,319
the resolution.

1301
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:12,390
>> Yes, please.

1302
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:20,309
energy.

1303
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:21,599
» So, I'm going to leave that in your

1304
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:23,280
hands to [clears throat] take a look at

1305
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,760
and I'm just going to ask I have one

1306
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,160
simple request for this evening.

1307
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,880
Commissioners, will you sit in the space

1308
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,640
where democracy lives with us this

1309
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,376
evening? [cough]

1310
00:59:34,376 --> 00:59:36,480
[clears throat] Thank you. I'd like to

1311
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,400
turn the podium over to my friend

1312
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,400
Joseph. There he is. I was looking in

1313
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,240
the wrong direction so that he can

1314
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,000
explain this resolution to you a little

1315
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,839
bit more in depth. Thank you for

1316
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:47,839
listening to me and thank you Putnham

1317
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:59,750
County for coming here tonight.

1318
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,750
» Wow.

1319
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,400
So my name is Joseph Deg Grath and

1320
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,960
that's a tough act to follow because

1321
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,119
that's a very difficult space that she's

1322
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:15,280
talking about.

1323
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,160
You know, it's very easy. It's very easy

1324
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,720
for us to come to our commissioners, to

1325
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,760
our elected officials, and to talk at

1326
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,760
them.

1327
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,520
But it's another thing altogether to

1328
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,280
talk to them.

1329
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,559
And at some point, we have to lay down

1330
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:37,680
our swords and we have to agree to talk

1331
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,799
to one another. As she said, she brought

1332
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:45,119
up the words of a more perfect union.

1333
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,359
You know, it's very easy often right now

1334
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:49,040
to think that the division in our

1335
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,960
country is Republican and Democrat, left

1336
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,549
and right.

1337
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:56,720
But perhaps it's the relationship the

1338
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,400
people have with the government that we

1339
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,799
need to unify.

1340
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:03,440
So, with that said,

1341
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,200
this resolution, it's a tricky one

1342
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,920
because you see, if we're going to

1343
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,359
create a resolution that's going to

1344
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:14,559
stand for the county, we have to be

1345
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:17,119
inclusive to all of the voices in the

1346
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:20,799
county or at least with the general will

1347
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:24,630
of the county.

1348
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,640
And so when we have a resolution, many

1349
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,000
of you here, you're wearing shirts,

1350
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,760
you're wearing signs that say no data

1351
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,520
centers. And that's to be respected

1352
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:32,960
because everybody has a voice and

1353
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,200
everybody has an opinion and it's all

1354
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,839
very valid. But the commissioners also

1355
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:40,000
have to respect the voices of those that

1356
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,160
maybe they do want them for whatever

1357
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,760
reason.

1358
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:44,799
So if we're going to create a

1359
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:46,720
resolution, we have to have a resolution

1360
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,760
that's on a point that we can all agree

1361
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,319
because that space that Miss Lacy was

1362
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:54,640
talking about where democracy lives and

1363
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,160
resides, it begins in agreement.

1364
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,319
So with that said,

1365
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:04,240
I'll read the resolution here.

1366
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,338
So the first part of it says

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01:02:06,338 --> 01:02:09,520
[clears throat] whereas hyperscale da d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d da

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01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,280
centers are massive facilities that can

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01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,200
have the geographic footprint of a small

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01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,720
city.

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01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,559
We can all agree that these things have

1372
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,160
the footprint of a small city. That's

1373
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,160
not in debate.

1374
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,400
That's just a simple fact. Look at the

1375
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,520
size of them.

1376
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,079
The increased energy demand from the

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01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,319
hypers scale data centers could impact

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01:02:30,319 --> 01:02:32,400
grid reliability and energy costs for

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01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,799
all rateayers while increasing CO2

1380
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:37,359
emissions. That's also not up for

1381
01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:40,559
debate. That's the n national discourse

1382
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:43,119
right now is the grid reliability and

1383
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:46,240
increasing costs. Nobody's arguing that

1384
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,520
these are the cases.

1385
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,799
the extent to which they may argue, some

1386
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:54,640
people say more, some people say less,

1387
01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:00,000
but that it affects it. Well, that's a given.

1388
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,839
Whereas hypers scale data centers can

1389
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:03,520
consume immense amounts of water per

1390
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,599
day, depleting resources and risking

1391
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,359
contamination for local users and

1392
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:09,520
negative ecosystems.

1393
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,119
There's no dispute that these things

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01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:14,400
require water and immense amounts of it.

1395
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,960
Again, the extent to which people will

1396
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,640
debate, people are always going to

1397
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,670
debate,

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01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,799
but that these things consume water in

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01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:27,119
immense amounts. That's part of the

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01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:29,440
national discourse.

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01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:30,960
Whereas the presence of hypers scale

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01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,720
data centers puts community members at

1403
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,880
risk of decreased property values. Can

1404
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,240
you imagine what your property values

1405
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,079
are if you're living next to one?

1406
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,680
There's no no question about these.

1407
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,520
It also alters the character and the

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01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,520
function of property or loss of private

1409
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,920
property to eminent domain. That's a

1410
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,520
frightening one that's happening to many

1411
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,680
people. Again, not up for debate. This

1412
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,280
is the national discourse. These things

1413
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,119
are happening all over the country. We

1414
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:59,510
know they're happening.

1415
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,359
Whereas the presence of hyperscale data

1416
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:03,200
centers changes the fabric of a

1417
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,079
community with noise and light pollution

1418
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:08,000
and loss of large tracks of potential

1419
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,680
farmland or reconstruction of the

1420
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,839
national natural terrain. Yes, putting a

1421
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:15,680
data center

1422
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,000
this is going to change the very fabric

1423
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,559
of a community.

1424
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,200
Now, some might argue, developers, for

1425
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,280
instance, may argue that it's better.

1426
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,520
Some may argue that it's worse, but that

1427
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,839
it changes the fabric is just part of

1428
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:36,400
the facts. It's just the way it is.

1429
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,000
So,

1430
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,839
that's the whereas statements. That's

1431
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:42,000
kind of like the the reasons that this

1432
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,640
statement exists. But where do we go

1433
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,680
with this? Do we say we can't do this or

1434
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,839
shake our fists?

1435
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:52,799
No, we have to have a point of agreement

1436
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:54,480
between the commissioners and between

1437
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,359
the people. And what's that point of

1438
01:04:57,359 --> 01:04:59,520
agreement?

1439
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:05,349
Two points of agreement.

1440
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:07,920
The position of the undersigned

1441
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,520
is that the presence of hypers scale

1442
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:10,880
data centers in West Virginia

1443
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,520
communities.

1444
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,559
We should evaluate these decisions on

1445
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:20,880
more than just the financial impacts.

1446
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,200
That's the first thing. [clears throat]

1447
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,520
Okay? Because a lot of what the people

1448
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,640
are being here are hearing is that the

1449
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,799
money, the money, the money, the money,

1450
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:35,039
the decision needs to be evaluated on

1451
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:38,400
more than the money.

1452
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,280
And that's part of the agreement that we

1453
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,039
have to agree is that decisions are more

1454
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:47,039
than just money. Some things matter more

1455
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:50,870
than just the money.

1456
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,559
And then the next point of agreement

1457
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:56,720
is that decisions about these data

1458
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,200
centers should reside with the people of

1459
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,480
the communities in which they reside.

1460
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:10,645
These things impact [applause]

1461
01:06:10,655 --> 01:06:17,349
» [applause]

1462
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:19,599
» The point of our constitutional

1463
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:22,319
government

1464
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:25,520
was that when a decision impacts people,

1465
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,000
the people should have a say in that

1466
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,599
decision.

1467
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:31,520
Now,

1468
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,240
what is the role of government and what

1469
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,990
is the role of people?

1470
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,440
Because it can't just be that the people

1471
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,240
decide everything

1472
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,720
and our elected officials have nothing

1473
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,880
in it.

1474
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,160
That's not fair either. There is a space

1475
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,160
between democracy, between the people

1476
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,960
and our elected officials.

1477
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,000
You see, the job of government

1478
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:04,559
is to help us to help you

1479
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:06,960
to know the decisions that you need to

1480
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,799
make

1481
01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:10,960
to help you to see the things that you

1482
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,520
don't see

1483
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,079
and to provide to you the necessary

1484
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:18,480
information on the matters that impact

1485
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,480
you the most.

1486
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,359
That is their job to provide those

1487
01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:25,520
things to you.

1488
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,640
Your job is to reciprocate

1489
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,960
and to share with them the ways in which

1490
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,880
these things impact you all.

1491
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,359
And when they do their job and you do

1492
01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:41,680
your job,

1493
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,440
then the decision is made together

1494
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:50,640
and the people make the decision.

1495
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,480
Because the people are you and the

1496
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,079
people are you.

1497
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:01,599
But if you don't show up for them

1498
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:07,589
and if you don't show up for them,

1499
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:13,029
then the system breaks down.

1500
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:14,960
But we all have an opportunity here

1501
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,199
today

1502
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:20,239
to build the system back up

1503
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:24,239
by agreeing with something.

1504
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,600
It is very easy to agree

1505
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,759
that decisions are more than money

1506
01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:33,679
and that we the people should make the

1507
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:36,640
decisions.

1508
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,400
And that's the question that we have for

1509
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,759
you all today is can we agree on these

1510
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:44,080
matters

1511
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,359
and if we can agree on this

1512
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:53,749
then we can have a common conversation.

1513
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:56,372
Thank you very much.

1514
01:08:56,372 --> 01:09:02,912
[applause]

1515
01:09:02,922 --> 01:09:03,759
» [applause]

1516
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:05,520
>> Real quick before anyone else speaks, I

1517
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,400
will say that uh uh on behalf of Miss

1518
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,400
Lacy and Mr. Degraph, I appreciate the

1519
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,679
approach and I I can appreciate the uh

1520
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:16,400
the time and effort put into uh I I can

1521
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,640
tell this wasn't just thrown together.

1522
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,000
There has been deliberation and

1523
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,839
discussion on that and your approach

1524
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:23,839
this evening is appreciated by the

1525
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:25,839
commission. I just want to get that out.

1526
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:27,600
But we'll carry on public comments.

1527
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:28,799
Ma'am, if you would state your name and

1528
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:30,000
address for the record.

1529
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,239
>> Absolutely. Hi, my name is Janette

1530
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:34,799
Domenico. I live right on the border of

1531
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:37,440
Putham County and Mason County. I have a

1532
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:41,279
48 acre farm going on five generations.

1533
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:44,480
And I love that everybody showed up. And

1534
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:47,440
yes, decorum is so important here to be

1535
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:49,759
polite and respectful to you guys that

1536
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:52,080
we put sitting here in these chairs. And

1537
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,719
I respect each and every one of you. and

1538
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:57,679
thank you so very much for your time on

1539
01:09:57,679 --> 01:10:00,400
such urgent matters. I have a couple

1540
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,719
questions you guys and then a couple

1541
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:04,400
statements and I'll try and be as brief

1542
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,719
as possible.

1543
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:09,120
Number one, are you guys going to stand

1544
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,560
up for our community? Not just us, but

1545
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,400
our children, our grandchildren, and

1546
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,480
great grandchildren. I'm at the end of

1547
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,880
my yard stick. I'm 64. I've been through

1548
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,440
cancer three times. And the last thing I

1549
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,760
want is a data center that's 4 minutes

1550
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,400
away from my beautiful farm that can

1551
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,679
possibly give me more cancer. Straight

1552
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:31,840
up.

1553
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,440
In order for you guys to restore the

1554
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:35,199
local control over our zoning and

1555
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:37,440
development in Mason and Putnham County,

1556
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:39,120
which can be achieved by the West

1557
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,360
Virginia legislature, passing an

1558
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,400
amendment or a new bill, repealing the

1559
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,719
restrictive elements of HB214

1560
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:51,760
that Governor Morrisy did that was so

1561
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,480
shady to take away your rights and our

1562
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,440
rights to even have a voice. That was

1563
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:04,089
bull. [applause]

1564
01:11:04,099 --> 01:11:04,960
» [applause]

1565
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,600
>> YOU guys can do a thing called a home

1566
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,960
rule and due process. The arguments, you

1567
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,199
can argue that stripping the localities

1568
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:16,400
of all zoning in horiculture ordinances

1569
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,360
and enforcements fundamentally violates

1570
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,760
the rights of the property owners in the

1571
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,080
scope of the municipal home rule

1572
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,760
charters, which is you all, the

1573
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,640
politicians. What they did was wrong. If

1574
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,480
it was so good, why did they keep it a

1575
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:33,040
secret?

1576
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,800
There were 30 states in the United

1577
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,440
States of America that governors did

1578
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:40,159
this to. We are one of the 30 where they

1579
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:42,880
took away our local politicians rights

1580
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,640
and put you guys on the border of

1581
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,360
offense because you guys got to have a

1582
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,360
budget. If you don't do what they tell

1583
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,920
you, you don't get your budget. I did

1584
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,960
that. But you know what? I don't want

1585
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,120
nine or 10 data centers right around

1586
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,360
from my farm that's going to kill the

1587
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,120
wildlife.

1588
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,640
I have rescued 180 head of horses. I

1589
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,480
can't tell you how many animals I've

1590
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,480
rescued, dogs. I'm a retired equipment

1591
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:10,320
operator originally from Cleveland,

1592
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:14,640
Ohio. I love the nature. I can't imagine

1593
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,880
a world where I wake up and I don't see

1594
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,239
American bald eagles in my farm or on my

1595
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:23,840
farm. the red hawks, the coyotes, the

1596
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,719
foxes, the coons, the deer, they have no

1597
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:29,120
voice. They can't pack up a suitcase and

1598
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,040
leave. And you know what? I'm not going

1599
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,360
to leave my farm. I am going to fight.

1600
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,960
Even if I lose, at least when I do go to

1601
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,280
the other side to be with my ancestors,

1602
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,239
I will know that I gave it my all. And I

1603
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:43,920
love each and every one of you for

1604
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,560
having the guts to come here tonight

1605
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,360
because as far as I'm concerned, data

1606
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,920
centers are bad. I can't find one thing

1607
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,719
good about them. I'll go on with my

1608
01:12:54,719 --> 01:12:56,239
notes and I'm sorry for getting off

1609
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,199
track. I apologize. I I'm very

1610
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:02,080
passionate about this.

1611
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,400
Do you guys know if um these data

1612
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,640
centers have done any long-term impact

1613
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,040
studies concerning the health on human

1614
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,120
beings, the wildlife along with our

1615
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,199
environment in our communities over a

1616
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:15,600
five or 10 or even a 20-year period?

1617
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,360
They've been around for a while. Do you

1618
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,760
know if they've done any?

1619
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,480
The answer is no, Andy. They have not

1620
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:24,719
analyzed any environmental impacts on

1621
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:27,280
humans health. The massive AI data

1622
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:28,800
centers that are currently being built

1623
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,920
in West Virginia. Not one data center is

1624
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,000
worth our land, our water, or our

1625
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,560
health.

1626
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,400
Real time environmental impacts

1627
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,080
disruptions are happening right now in

1628
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,800
Mason County near Point Pleasant. These

1629
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,800
folks are experiencing immediate health

1630
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,600
and environment environmental impacts

1631
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,280
now during the initial construction

1632
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,679
phases of the Monarch Compute campus

1633
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:54,239
which is the largest data center ever

1634
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,360
being built in the world. Our country is

1635
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,280
the only one doing this at neck break

1636
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,760
speed. 5,500

1637
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,159
data centers have been built. Ohio is

1638
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:06,560
number five.

1639
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,719
Flood waters have poured into nearby

1640
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:11,040
neighborhoods in Mason County, damaging

1641
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,239
homes, creating mold, huge dust clouds,

1642
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:16,480
making it hard to breathe, poor air

1643
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:18,640
visibility, constant noise, and heavy

1644
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,800
truck and machinery traffic. That is

1645
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,120
ridiculous. You wouldn't believe it

1646
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,199
unless you pulled out of my road to see

1647
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:27,840
how dangerous it is. They expect these

1648
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,400
elderly people to sell their homes where

1649
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,560
they have lived their whole lives and

1650
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,840
move where their families are here.

1651
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,080
Where are they going to do? Where are

1652
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:42,229
they going to go? I'm so sorry.

1653
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:45,040
Next. The reason why these data centers

1654
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,000
are being built. Who owns the flock

1655
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,880
cameras? Flock safety does. There are

1656
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,520
80,000 of these AI powered devices

1657
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,400
across America watching us. Flock

1658
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,400
cameras track your every move and

1659
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,560
repurpose all of the data collected

1660
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,840
about you every time you pass them. They

1661
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,159
are a national security risk. They are

1662
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:08,640
easily hacked. Senators and

1663
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:10,719
representatives have drafted a letter

1664
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:13,679
right now to investigate the findings.

1665
01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:15,679
Who pays for these flock cameras owned

1666
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:18,480
by Flock Safety? An AI powered

1667
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:23,520
surveillance group? We do. $2.28 million

1668
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,080
a contract. our tax dollars for West

1669
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,320
Virginia. While thousands are losing

1670
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,560
health care, our infrastructures are

1671
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,280
horrible, our roads are being tore up by

1672
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,159
these big trucks and heavy machinery,

1673
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:38,480
and clean water is still not available

1674
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:40,560
in many counties, and people still haul

1675
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,360
water. It is disgusting.

1676
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,280
Also, here's something very important

1677
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,679
for everybody to know. Flock does not

1678
01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:49,920
sell these cameras outright. They charge

1679
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:54,719
a subscription roughly $2,500 to $3,000

1680
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:57,840
per camera a year. The correlation

1681
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,760
between these flock cameras and data

1682
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,520
centers is simple. Flock cameras rely on

1683
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,480
AI data centers to instantly process the

1684
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,960
billions of vehicle scans their network

1685
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,520
captures monthly. They need massive

1686
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,199
amounts of storage space for these flock

1687
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:17,760
cameras. That's why there's this land

1688
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,080
grabbing thing happening in the United

1689
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,760
States. This this is just crazy what's

1690
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,679
happening. We have just woke up in the

1691
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:27,920
Twilight Zone and everybody better

1692
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,480
realize these things do not bring

1693
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:32,880
anything good to our communities and my

1694
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,520
God, I have done the research to see

1695
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,080
there's nothing good. I can't I cannot

1696
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:42,400
honestly say this is good anywhere.

1697
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,159
These billionaire companies are trying

1698
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:46,640
to change our society to a dystopian

1699
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,480
society to to dehumanize us.

1700
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:54,239
This has got to stop.

1701
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:56,159
I'm going to end cuz I could just go on

1702
01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:59,199
forever. You guys, I hope I got my point

1703
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:01,520
across and I thank you all for your

1704
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,760
time, each and every one of you. And I

1705
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,560
hope that the information I'm giving you

1706
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,640
might shake you to the core to realize

1707
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,440
this stuff is really bad and toxic. And

1708
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:12,960
I understand that you guys are kind of

1709
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,960
on the fence and it's hard for you to

1710
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,760
voice your true opinions, but each and

1711
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,440
every one of you have family members

1712
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,679
here. This is our community and I know

1713
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:24,400
you love living here, too. Amen.

1714
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,578
>> Thank you.

1715
01:17:28,588 --> 01:17:32,790
[applause]

1716
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,640
» Hello everyone. Uh my name is Mike

1717
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,040
Moeller. I'm the Democratic nominee for

1718
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,880
House of Delegates in District 21 in

1719
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,360
Hurricane and Colon. Uh gentlemen, I

1720
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,679
come to you today uh with a quick

1721
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:46,800
question. Those flock cameras that she

1722
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,480
was talking about, have those been

1723
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,400
removed, taken down?

1724
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,000
>> I believe, yeah, we did. We were coping

1725
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,679
on an email that the sheriff had

1726
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:55,600
requested Flock to come take the

1727
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:56,400
cameras.

1728
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,199
>> Okay. And so, has Flock taken them down

1729
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:01,339
yet?

1730
01:18:01,339 --> 01:18:04,709
[applause]

1731
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:08,080
» I I can't speak to the whether they're fully down. I know the request

1732
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,280
was sent and uh Um,

1733
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,120
>> we can always follow up on that.

1734
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,480
>> Um, I have uh a couple things in front

1735
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,560
of me. It's basically fiscal year 24

1736
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,000
into 25 on the opioid settlement money.

1737
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,440
And what you said you all donated $3,000

1738
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:28,320
to where with the opioid settlement

1739
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,040
>> $250,000 we had set aside to go to

1740
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,440
Marshall University a part of a larger

1741
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:35,520
grant and we're trying to leverage those

1742
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,360
funds for more funds. Oh, I thought

1743
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:38,800
earlier in the meeting you all had

1744
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,800
donated a few thousand to a local.

1745
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,560
>> Yes, we have a recovery point. We've

1746
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,560
actually supported recovery point beds

1747
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,600
since 2014 and but since the boy funds,

1748
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,280
we use that funding to support two beds

1749
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:50,640
for Pton County residents.

1750
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,480
>> That's commendable. I appreciate that

1751
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,960
guys. Um I have a cousin, she was

1752
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,000
addicted her entire adult life for 25

1753
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,960
years. Uh she was dependent on every

1754
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,120
form of government assistance. She never

1755
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:10,159
worked. Um, and about two years ago, she

1756
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:12,960
had to go to drug court and she failed.

1757
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:20,000
And through rehab facilities, through sober

1758
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,840
living homes and things like that, she

1759
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,679
was able to become sober, stay sober,

1760
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:30,000
get a job, get a promotion, and become a

1761
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,719
productive member to society. And I

1762
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:34,719
think that's that's wonderful. So, I've

1763
01:19:34,719 --> 01:19:38,000
got a couple of examples here of Canal

1764
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,120
County's uh expenditures when they spend

1765
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,360
the the money from the opioid settlement

1766
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:47,120
fund. They spent $86,999

1767
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,600
on the Canal Valley Fellowship Home,

1768
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,080
which I think is great.

1769
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,480
Um, they spent, let's see, a lot of

1770
01:19:56,480 --> 01:20:02,000
paperwork here. So, they also spent

1771
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,199
they had to spend some money on

1772
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:05,679
themselves. obviously for, you know,

1773
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:08,560
dealing with it. Here it is. Union

1774
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,560
Mission, $249,89,

1775
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,040
which I think is great. Uh, they also

1776
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:18,080
put money into the um the the jail

1777
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,800
system, which unfortunately those who

1778
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,560
don't want to do drug court, they do go

1779
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,920
to jail, and I understand that the

1780
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,239
counties have an obligation to help with

1781
01:20:26,239 --> 01:20:27,920
those expenses.

1782
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:32,960
uh they donated $65,000 to RIA of Hope

1783
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,640
and so those I mean and WVU Thomas

1784
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,480
Hospital where a lot of people go they

1785
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:40,719
gave $154,000.

1786
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:42,320
I think these are some wonderful

1787
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,520
investments because we can get people

1788
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,159
clean. We can get drug addicts off the

1789
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:49,760
streets and we can turn them into

1790
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,480
productive members of society like we

1791
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:56,239
owe it to them because we do. Um, I'm

1792
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:57,760
not going to get into, you know, the

1793
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,520
peddling of the pills into the state and

1794
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,199
who did that and all that. I'm just

1795
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:03,360
going to leave that alone. Now, let's

1796
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,400
look at Putnham County cuz I'm a little

1797
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:07,920
concerned.

1798
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,199
$480 at Jersey Mike's,

1799
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:13,199
$186.38

1800
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:15,199
at Enterprise,

1801
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:16,719
$3042

1802
01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:18,320
at Speedway. This is the opioid

1803
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:23,120
settlement money. $54 at Sheets,

1804
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,120
$38,944

1805
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:26,880
at Chick-fil-A,

1806
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,800
$491.96

1807
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,199
at Panera Bread, $99.72 at Giovani's

1808
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:34,880
Pizza,

1809
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,840
uh $3,519.82

1810
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,600
at Cery, I believe that's drug

1811
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,760
screening.

1812
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,120
Uh what's up with that? I mean the

1813
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:45,920
individual cost

1814
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,080
>> what what what do restaurants have

1815
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:49,840
>> it's from a training they put on a

1816
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,440
crisis intervention training so they put on a training they transported

1817
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,040
people they paid for their lunches they

1818
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,360
paid for gas

1819
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:58,800
those are the individual expenses you

1820
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,080
were referencing

1821
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,480
>> I have yet to find any other county that

1822
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:05,120
has expenses like that I've I've done a

1823
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,280
deep dive but um

1824
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:08,400
>> it was training for those drug

1825
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,040
interdiction uh conferences.

1826
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,239
>> Okay. Well, I will give you gentlemen a

1827
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:17,520
copy of Oh, and here's just one I wanted

1828
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,920
to point out that

1829
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,800
in a direction we don't want to go. The

1830
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:27,600
city of St. Albins's spent $157,674

1831
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:31,110
thou uh674

1832
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:35,199
with the armored group for an MRAP.

1833
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:37,679
That's not going to help us cure the

1834
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:40,719
opioid problem. the the cure for

1835
01:22:40,719 --> 01:22:43,600
addiction is connection. It's not

1836
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,360
military hardware and it's it's not a

1837
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,520
bunch of lunches. So, I'm going to give

1838
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,440
you all a copy. I'm sorry. Sorry, I only

1839
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:53,120
have two. If you all wouldn't care to

1840
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:57,280
either share or um make another copy of

1841
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,920
Cana County's expenditures, how much

1842
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:02,800
they spend, where they spend it at,

1843
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,120
because you can make a huge difference

1844
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,560
in the recovery of people in Putham

1845
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:12,080
County by donating to these uh rehab

1846
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,480
facilities and to these halfway houses.

1847
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:16,960
And and that would go a long way. And

1848
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,639
>> and that's that's part of our discussion

1849
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:22,000
with Dr. Matthew Christensen is having

1850
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,880
region 5 vet these applications because

1851
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,000
then they have I think $397 million of

1852
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,480
opioid money and then they can then take

1853
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:32,560
it to the West Virginia First Foundation

1854
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,800
and hopefully if they do see a project

1855
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,639
worthwhile leverage that up to have a

1856
01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:38,159
greater impact.

1857
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:39,280
>> That's our goal.

1858
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,440
>> I appreciate your gentleman's time and

1859
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:43,440
uh if you if with your permission I'd

1860
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:44,960
like to approach to hand you these

1861
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:49,792
copies and I thank you very much.

1862
01:23:49,802 --> 01:23:54,629
» [applause]

1863
01:23:54,639 --> 01:23:58,159
» THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MIKE.

1864
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:01,350
SIR,

1865
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,239
my name is AJ Bird. Bird of Prey is the

1866
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:06,719
ministry that I follow Jesus very

1867
01:24:06,719 --> 01:24:09,120
closely. And I was sitting on my couch

1868
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:10,960
and I saw a post earlier about this

1869
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,199
meeting. So, it's not a be not going to

1870
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:16,159
be conventional about speaking to these

1871
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:18,560
folks, but I am going to speak to you

1872
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,320
and this is what's called holding

1873
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,400
someone accountable following Jesus.

1874
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:27,760
Okay, folks, we are in that time. Okay,

1875
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:31,520
AI is going to be joined clay and metal,

1876
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,480
right? Daniel, he talks about it and it

1877
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:37,360
doesn't stand. And my heart grieavves

1878
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,520
for people, okay? And I'll just tell you

1879
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,840
real quick and I'll I'm I'm going to go

1880
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,679
as long as the Lord tells me. But here's

1881
01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:46,239
the thing. I follow Jesus on the street.

1882
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:48,080
I go where he tells me to go. Bird of

1883
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,239
prey. I stood I was laying in a jail

1884
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:52,880
cell. I had cops asking me not to kill

1885
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,639
them at one point. And the Lord said

1886
01:24:54,639 --> 01:24:56,320
through me to me. I helped you through

1887
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,880
these days to show people my ways. And I

1888
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:00,880
jumped up and he changed my life. Took

1889
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,600
me to heaven and took me to hell. Okay?

1890
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,679
He showed me what's real, guys. And I'm

1891
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:07,199
going to be completely straight up

1892
01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:09,440
honest with you. these secret societies

1893
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:11,199
and all this stuff that pull the strings

1894
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:12,960
behind the scenes. We know about it,

1895
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,960
okay? God knows about it. He's watching.

1896
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,280
He sees you.

1897
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,320
We as followers of Jesus doing this in

1898
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,679
West Virginia, okay? Most people know

1899
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:25,760
Jesus. Most people know what he did.

1900
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,719
It's not like a big community. Okay? We

1901
01:25:28,719 --> 01:25:31,040
are trampling when we do this to the

1902
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,560
nondisclosure is fraud. Period. It's

1903
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,880
fraud. I don't care. They would hold you

1904
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,120
totally accountable in court if you

1905
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:40,960
didn't disclose something and they

1906
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,760
signed non non-disclosure agreements.

1907
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,280
So, here's what I'm going to tell you. I

1908
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:46,800
didn't put a speech together. I'm

1909
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,159
letting him lead me. This is what the

1910
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:51,199
Lord has shown me and I'm burning up

1911
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:53,280
inside. And I'm not nervous. I'm

1912
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,639
passionate. Okay? Title 18, section 241

1913
01:25:56,639 --> 01:26:00,000
and 242 is conspiracy to deprive people

1914
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,239
of their rights.

1915
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:04,239
That's what our government has done

1916
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:07,199
since 1871. They overlaid the

1917
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:10,400
Constitution just like they did. They

1918
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,400
overlaid the Bible saying, "Oh, it's

1919
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,639
just grace. We don't have to worry about

1920
01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:16,560
anything. We can go on and sin and do

1921
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,719
anything we want to do. We can chop up

1922
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:22,719
kids and tell them that they are um a

1923
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:25,520
girl or a boy." Judgment is here in the

1924
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,199
for the house of the Lord. And we are

1925
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:29,199
the house of the Lord. If you believe in

1926
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:31,040
Jesus Christ, if you say you believe in

1927
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,440
Jesus Christ, judgment is here. He is

1928
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:36,560
coming for us, through us, and we will

1929
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,560
answer for everything. We will stand in

1930
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,480
front of him. And for all the lies,

1931
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:42,960
guys, we can we can call it like it is.

1932
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,719
We've all lied and we've all fallen

1933
01:26:44,719 --> 01:26:53,120
short. But it stops for us. You all work for us. And we love

1934
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,719
you. If they have the love of God in

1935
01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:56,239
their heart, we love you. We don't want

1936
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:58,159
to see anything happen to you. But I'll

1937
01:26:58,159 --> 01:27:01,280
remind you that back when we found this

1938
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,800
country for a 3% tax, what did those

1939
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:09,199
guys do for a 3% tea party? What did

1940
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:11,440
they do? And and we're taking people's

1941
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:15,030
homes.

1942
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,840
It's coming, guys. Jesus is not happy.

1943
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:19,600
These people aren't happy. How long do

1944
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,480
you think this is going to go on?

1945
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:24,400
Now, I love you guys. I love all of you

1946
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,000
because that's what I do. I cast out

1947
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,920
demons on the street and I draw people

1948
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,760
to Jesus. They get set free from drugs.

1949
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,199
I bring them to my house. I pray for

1950
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:33,360
them. 25, 30 hours of deliverance,

1951
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:34,560
praying with them, spending time with

1952
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,239
them, personal one-on-one, discipling

1953
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:37,760
men.

1954
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,600
What are you all doing? Are you taking

1955
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,639
the money behind the scenes? Show us. We

1956
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:47,360
know. Okay. We know. He knows.

1957
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:51,490
Bless you guys. Have a good day.

1958
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:54,870
[applause]

1959
01:27:54,880 --> 01:28:00,661
Anyone else? You want to speak?

1960
01:28:00,671 --> 01:28:04,070
[clears throat]

1961
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,719
» Hello, my name's Melanie Lacy. I live at

1962
01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:09,760
60 out of Street in Buffalo. I believe I

1963
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,600
was here a couple months ago and spoke

1964
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:15,120
to the commission. Um, I had come and

1965
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:17,440
spoke about our storm runoff problems

1966
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:20,400
down in the bottom. I live two houses

1967
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:25,280
beside the water treatment plant there

1968
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,280
um at the end of town in Buffalo, which

1969
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,719
is actually just thousands of yards away

1970
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:32,719
from where the pro proposed site of the

1971
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:35,600
Google data center is. But before I will

1972
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:36,960
start with that, I would like to

1973
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:38,719
approach y'all to show you some pictures

1974
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:40,639
of the storm water runoff problem that

1975
01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:43,246
we have down there.

1976
01:28:43,246 --> 01:28:43,901
[cough]

1977
01:28:43,901 --> 01:28:48,070
[clears throat]

1978
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,320
kind of

1979
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,800
if you look at those that's on 10th

1980
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,199
Street which is terminal route 62 by

1981
01:28:55,199 --> 01:29:01,030
Frog City Park

1982
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,360
and then there is a ditch line that goes

1983
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:08,400
from 10 street right there and it goes

1984
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,760
all the way down between

1985
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,320
there's two rows of houses there's route

1986
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:15,920
62

1987
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,760
And then right behind them is another

1988
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,159
row and then there's ID street. But in

1989
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:22,320
between that property on them houses is

1990
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,480
a big long ditch that goes to the water

1991
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:27,040
treatment plant for Buffalo.

1992
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,280
Here's the pictures

1993
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:35,189
of the water in those ditches.

1994
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:38,719
This continues as part of the ditch.

1995
01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:40,880
You can see I'm not even completely over

1996
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,320
in the ditch. The water is half high on

1997
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,080
me.

1998
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:50,310
And then this goes

1999
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,080
on down towards the water treatment

2000
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:55,040
plant.

2001
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,719
And then these are on IDA street between

2002
01:29:58,719 --> 01:30:02,159
my house and Barb

2003
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:04,639
which I believe is in the audience. This

2004
01:30:04,639 --> 01:30:06,639
is actually the front of her house and

2005
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:07,679
her property.

2006
01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:10,320
>> So is all this town limits?

2007
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,199
>> The town says that it's the state owns

2008
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:16,880
it. The state says the town's under it.

2009
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,360
So you tell me, we've had this problem

2010
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,120
before.

2011
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,520
Uh so that's just some of the flooding

2012
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,159
issues. It comes off of the main road

2013
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:30,159
because the cos and the drain system. We

2014
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:33,679
are flood plane. Uh most of the property

2015
01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:37,760
on 62 that Google owns is in a flood

2016
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,400
plane. Uh I don't actually have that map

2017
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,239
today but I would love to come back and

2018
01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:44,480
bring you the map which shows from

2019
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:47,840
Google what they have showing because I

2020
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:48,560
do have those

2021
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,159
>> we can see it on our county maps too.

2022
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:52,400
Okay. So, you know what else is flowing

2023
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,800
down through there. U with that being

2024
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:59,360
said, it is supposedly supposed to be on

2025
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,239
the other side of Buffalo's

2026
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:05,760
plant, maybe a proposed wastewater

2027
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,600
treatment plant and water treatment

2028
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,719
plant, which will be be being buil in

2029
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:14,320
the flood zone with also a storm water

2030
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,520
pond on that piece of property.

2031
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,679
But as I would like to go on tonight, as

2032
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:21,920
I said, I lived at 60 out of Street in

2033
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:23,840
Buffalo. And I'm here tonight because

2034
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,920
Project Avalon is not simply a

2035
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,639
development somewhere in Pman County.

2036
01:31:28,639 --> 01:31:30,960
The proposed Google data center is

2037
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,040
planned for the property located at

2038
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:34,880
22272

2039
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:36,800
Charleston Road. And this project could

2040
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,440
have major effect on the surroundings of

2041
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:42,320
Buffalo Community.

2042
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,120
As we all know, it's 1,700 acres on both

2043
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:48,239
sides of Route 62. And I want to make

2044
01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:50,960
something clear at the beginning. I am

2045
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,679
not against economic development. I am

2046
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:55,760
asking that economic development not

2047
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,760
come at the expense of people who

2048
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:04,323
already live there.

2049
01:32:04,333 --> 01:32:06,159
[applause]

2050
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:08,560
I know what the flood plane means. The

2051
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,480
concern about flooding is personal to

2052
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:13,600
me. As I addressed you guys once before,

2053
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,639
we just put in a margin home on the

2054
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:19,280
property six years ago and we had to

2055
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,920
raise it approximately 6 ft to get it to

2056
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,719
above the required flood elevation with

2057
01:32:24,719 --> 01:32:27,520
the level of Route 62.

2058
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,480
Why? Because this is low-lying land.

2059
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:33,760
This is floodprone area. I had to take

2060
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,159
extraordinary measures just to protect

2061
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:38,719
one home. That's not talking about the

2062
01:32:38,719 --> 01:32:40,159
homes that's been sitting in that

2063
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:42,800
community for 20 or 30 years that aren't

2064
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:46,239
6 foot high like I am.

2065
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:48,000
Now, we are talking about changing the

2066
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,760
natural landscape across the

2067
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,320
approximately 1,700 acres that is

2068
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,840
adjacent to me. And this concerns me

2069
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:57,920
because we will remove trees,

2070
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,880
vegetation, grades, hillsides, and

2071
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,000
replace natural ground with buildings,

2072
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,159
roads, parking areas, and other

2073
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:09,280
impervious surfaces. You change the way

2074
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,760
the water moves.

2075
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,760
Rainwater that once had time to soak

2076
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,239
into the soil can become much faster

2077
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:18,880
surface runoff. So my question is,

2078
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,600
commission is very simple. Where is all

2079
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,800
the additional water going to go? Follow

2080
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,000
the water. The project spans both sides

2081
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,040
of Route 62. This makes the existing

2082
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,280
roadside drainage system extremely

2083
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,400
important. Route 62, its ditches, and

2084
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,239
its culverts are part of the drainage

2085
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:40,880
system serving the area. If the storm

2086
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:42,880
water from a development this size

2087
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,120
reaches those drainage systems faster

2088
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:47,280
than they can safely carry it, what

2089
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,000
happens? What happens when the covert

2090
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,480
becomes a bottleneck? What happens if a

2091
01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:54,560
ditch cannot carry the volume of the

2092
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,679
water coming towards it? With almost

2093
01:33:57,679 --> 01:34:01,360
45,000 linear feet of streams that's

2094
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,639
going to be filled in on that piece of

2095
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:06,719
property. That's a lot of water to run

2096
01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:08,400
off and that's just on one side

2097
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:09,920
basically

2098
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:11,920
across the road on the railroad track

2099
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:13,920
side.

2100
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,400
So my question is

2101
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,400
if the storm water from the develop this

2102
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,400
size reaches those drainage systems

2103
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,120
faster than they can carry it and it and

2104
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,440
it becomes bottleneck and the ditch

2105
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:27,360
cannot carry the volume of the water

2106
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,920
coming towards it. What happens when the

2107
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,600
drainage system fails and becomes

2108
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,920
overwhelmed? The concern is not there

2109
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:35,760
are homes directly downstream of the

2110
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,239
project. The concern is what happens if

2111
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:40,480
the drainage system backs up and those

2112
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:43,120
ditches are not clear. If the water

2113
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:44,560
cannot get through the ditchers and

2114
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,880
culitz, it could come back along the

2115
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,639
road and eventually move into the

2116
01:34:48,639 --> 01:34:50,960
surrounding neighborhood. And this is

2117
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,280
what concerns me. And ultimately, I want

2118
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,120
to know

2119
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,280
where will the water go if a system

2120
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,840
cannot handle it. And and water doesn't

2121
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,639
recognize a property line.

2122
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:05,440
It doesn't recognize a zoning boundary.

2123
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:07,679
And it doesn't care what a drainage plan

2124
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:10,639
says it's supposed to do. If the system

2125
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:12,639
becomes overwhelmed, water will find

2126
01:35:12,639 --> 01:35:15,120
another path. And in this case, we need

2127
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,600
to know whether that path could be back

2128
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,360
up the roadway and into our

2129
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,000
neighborhood. That's why I'm asking for

2130
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,480
an independent third party storm water

2131
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:26,719
study be done. And I don't want the

2132
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:30,006
study to stop at Google's property line.

2133
01:35:30,006 --> 01:35:35,189
[applause]

2134
01:35:35,199 --> 01:35:37,360
Start at 22272

2135
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,520
Charleston Road and follow the water

2136
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:41,840
through the entire drainage system.

2137
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:43,840
Follow it through the proposed draining

2138
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,920
system. Follow the retention areas.

2139
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,560
Follow this Route 62 ditches. Follow it

2140
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,199
through the culverts. Then show us what

2141
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:52,960
happens if those citizens become

2142
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,840
overwhelmed. Show us what happens on Ida

2143
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,480
Street, on Tim Street, on Frog City

2144
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:00,960
Park. Show us what happens to that

2145
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:04,320
low-lying area in Buffalo. And show us

2146
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,080
what happens around the municipal

2147
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,560
wastewater treatment facility. What

2148
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:10,960
happens to the flood plane? I also want

2149
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,280
the commission to look at the direct

2150
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:15,600
effect of changing the elevation of this

2151
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,560
land if they do decide to build up for

2152
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,360
the wastewater treatment plant. The

2153
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,159
water, it will be filled in, graded,

2154
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:26,320
raised. The water will have to be

2155
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,320
occupied. The space doesn't simply

2156
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:30,159
disappear.

2157
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:32,159
Where would that water go instead? If

2158
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:34,639
additional wastewater infrastructure is

2159
01:36:34,639 --> 01:36:37,120
planned near the existing Buffalo

2160
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,520
wastewater treatment plan, I want the

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01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,719
county to explain where those facilities

2162
01:36:42,719 --> 01:36:45,280
will be located, how high will they be

2163
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:48,159
built, whether additional flow will be

2164
01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:49,920
required, and what effect the

2165
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:51,440
construction will have on flood

2166
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:53,199
elevations and the movement of water

2167
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:55,600
through this low-lying area.

2168
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,000
I want I want the answer with

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01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,960
engineering not assumptions because when

2170
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,119
I bought my home I had to raise it like

2171
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:06,239
I said 6 ft in the air. That tells me

2172
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:08,400
something very important. Elevation

2173
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,040
matters here. Drainage matters here.

2174
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,840
Flood plane matters here. And a project

2175
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,480
of this size cannot be evaluated without

2176
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,560
looking at the entire area as a

2177
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,600
connected system. Existing residents

2178
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,320
should not become the experiment.

2179
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,560
my home on Ida Street, the other homes

2180
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,320
in the community, they've been there for

2181
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,080
decades. Many of our neighbors are

2182
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,960
elderly. Some have mobility problems,

2183
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,360
and some cannot easily evacuate during

2184
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:38,880
emergency if they're not 6 ft high. And

2185
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,600
some simply cannot afford to absorb the

2186
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,840
financial consequences of flooding or

2187
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:46,239
major property damage. These people

2188
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:48,239
should not have to become the test case

2189
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:50,159
of whether a massive industrial

2190
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:53,199
development drainage system works. We

2191
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:54,639
shouldn't have to wait for the first

2192
01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:57,199
major storm to find out. The engineering

2193
01:37:57,199 --> 01:37:59,679
should prove it beforehand. Construction

2194
01:37:59,679 --> 01:38:02,239
is another risk. There is also the

2195
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:04,320
construction period itself. And we're

2196
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,480
looking at 8 years of construction down

2197
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:09,360
there. Before the data center is

2198
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,520
completed, there could be extensive

2199
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:13,840
clearing, grading, excavating, heavy

2200
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,480
equipment, and disturbed soil. And I

2201
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:20,000
believe it was 66,000 cubic feet of soil

2202
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,679
that they're supposed to be moving into

2203
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:23,600
that area.

2204
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,600
And that's on the high side of the road,

2205
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,400
not on the lowlying area.

2206
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:31,750
Um

2207
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:35,760
before the data center is completed.

2208
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,880
I'm sorry, I lost my pro my place. Um

2209
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,639
anyway, what happens when the major

2210
01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:42,400
storm hits construction? Where does the

2211
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:45,440
runoff go? Where will the sediment go?

2212
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:47,600
Can the existing ditches and culverts

2213
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:49,679
handle it? What happens if the sediment

2214
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:51,440
blocks the drainage during the

2215
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:53,920
construction? What happens if runoff

2216
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:55,920
reaches a neighboring property? And who

2217
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,400
is responsible for someone's property is

2218
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,639
damaged? Those questions need to be

2219
01:39:00,639 --> 01:39:02,960
answered before construction begins, not

2220
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:04,880
after the damage occurs. We don't want

2221
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:08,123
to be Mason County.

2222
01:39:08,123 --> 01:39:21,510
[applause]

2223
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,080
The Buffalo wastewater treatment plant

2224
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:27,119
is an essential public infrastructure.

2225
01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:29,119
My home is in the community sound

2226
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:31,840
surrounded by that facility. If project

2227
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,000
Avalon adds additional wastewater

2228
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,760
infrastructure and changes the

2229
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,679
surrounding landscape, the county needs

2230
01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:40,800
to know exactly how that effect will

2231
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:42,480
change the drainage, the flood

2232
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,639
elevations, and the existing wastewater

2233
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:48,870
system.

2234
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,440
I want to know how far or how high those

2235
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:54,880
facilities will go. I want to know um

2236
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,040
what additional land will be filled or

2237
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,040
raised. We should know where the water

2238
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,280
will go if the land can't no longer

2239
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,920
absorb it or hold it and what happens

2240
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,480
when we have extreme rainfall events.

2241
01:40:06,480 --> 01:40:08,560
The question needs to be answered before

2242
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,360
construction begins.

2243
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,600
Storm water is my primary concern, but

2244
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,000
it isn't my only concern. The county

2245
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,239
should all examine the construction

2246
01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:20,320
traffic, the long-term traffic, the

2247
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,639
noise from construction and data center

2248
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:24,960
operations, the waiting nearby on our

2249
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,320
homes, the backup generators associated

2250
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,960
with noise and emissions, water damage,

2251
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,760
water capacity, emergency response,

2252
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:35,440
property impacts on surrounding

2253
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:38,080
homeowners, the long-term effect of

2254
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,320
replacing natural land with buildings

2255
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,040
and pavements in field, changes in

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01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:44,880
elevation and drainage caused by

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01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,360
upgrading and feel the effect of the

2258
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,520
additional wastewater infrastructure on

2259
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:51,920
the existing flood plane. And again, I

2260
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,320
just don't want general asurances. I

2261
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:55,920
want engineering. I would like to have

2262
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,000
maps. I want calculations. I want

2263
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,360
models. I want flood analysis because I

2264
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:03,440
have to live there. And that's where I

2265
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:05,040
plan to spend hopefully the next at

2266
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:08,639
least 30 to 40 years of my life.

2267
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:10,639
And I want to know what happens during

2268
01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:12,960
the worst reasonable storm, not just

2269
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,560
what happens under the perfect

2270
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:16,480
conditions.

2271
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:18,159
I understand that Google may bring

2272
01:41:18,159 --> 01:41:20,480
investment, jobs and community and

2273
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:22,639
benefits. And I appreciate investments

2274
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:25,360
in our schools, our seniors, emergency

2275
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,040
services, and other community

2276
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,360
organizations. But I want to say

2277
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,679
something very plainly.

2278
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:34,400
A community grant cannot replace a safe

2279
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:37,920
home. and it cannot undo damage after it

2280
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:41,520
happens. Google has enormous resources.

2281
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,920
The residents of Buffalo, all we have is

2282
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,880
our homes and our families and our

2283
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,520
community and they deserve to know that

2284
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:52,000
their safety is being considered before

2285
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,480
the project moves forward. And my

2286
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:57,840
request to you as the commission,

2287
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:59,679
I am asking you to require an

2288
01:41:59,679 --> 01:42:02,159
independent third-party impact study

2289
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:06,940
before Project Avalon moves forward.

2290
01:42:06,940 --> 01:42:11,750
>> [applause]

2291
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,199
» I am asking for storm water modeling

2292
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:17,760
downstream damage analys an analysis

2293
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,159
extreme rainfall and flood analysis

2294
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:22,480
analyze of Route 62's ditches and

2295
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:24,960
culverts. What happens if the drainage

2296
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,520
system becomes overwhelmed and becomes

2297
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,679
blocked? What happens whether the water

2298
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:31,679
could back up along the roadway and move

2299
01:42:31,679 --> 01:42:34,080
into the surrounding neighborhood

2300
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:36,719
in places like out of street, 10 street,

2301
01:42:36,719 --> 01:42:39,280
and frog city park.

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01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:40,960
Analysis and changing the flood

2303
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,360
elevations caused by gradient in field.

2304
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:45,119
Analysis of additional wastewater

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01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:47,040
treatment facilities and their effect to

2306
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:52,229
the existing flood plane.

2307
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:54,320
I want the results made available to the

2308
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:57,520
public because we the public deserve to

2309
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,880
know. I don't want the genuine assur as

2310
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:03,360
assurances.

2311
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,119
I want to know what happens when the

2312
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:07,440
system doesn't work perfectly. We live

2313
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:10,320
here on out of street. My neighbors live

2314
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:13,119
here. Our streets are here. Our park is

2315
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:15,840
here. Our wastewater infrastructure is

2316
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,639
here. And this is our community. We want

2317
01:43:18,639 --> 01:43:21,119
Buffalo to prosper. But economic

2318
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:22,800
development should improve our

2319
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,280
community, not transfer the risk of

2320
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,199
development onto the people who already

2321
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:29,471
live here.

2322
01:43:29,471 --> 01:43:33,910
[applause]

2323
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,080
So I'm asking you, commission, follow

2324
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,239
the water, follow the drainage, follow

2325
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:40,320
the elevations, the coverts, the flood

2326
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:41,600
plane, and the wastewater

2327
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:43,440
infrastructure.

2328
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:45,199
Look at what happens when the system is

2329
01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:48,000
overwhelmed. And before I approve you

2330
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,320
approve the project of this magnitude,

2331
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,159
make sure you have proven that the

2332
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:54,080
people who already live here will be

2333
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:56,239
protected.

2334
01:43:56,239 --> 01:43:58,159
Like I said, I had to raise my home

2335
01:43:58,159 --> 01:44:00,320
approximately 6 ft and you've seen the

2336
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:03,199
pictures of what it's like already in

2337
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:05,360
that bottom and I didn't even go over on

2338
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,462
the other streets.

2339
01:44:07,462 --> 01:44:08,239
[snorts]

2340
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:09,920
Anyway, I like to thank you for your

2341
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,960
time, for listening. Um, that's what I

2342
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:16,320
had to say. I also have a couple of

2343
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:18,080
things from my neighbors. If I could

2344
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:21,360
speak on their behalf real quick.

2345
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:24,880
Uh my neighbor, her name is Mary Tucker.

2346
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:27,119
She lives at 36 IDA Street in Buffalo,

2347
01:44:27,119 --> 01:44:30,800
West Virginia. She is 79 years old.

2348
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,360
As my neighbor is speaking for me today,

2349
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:37,440
Melanie Lacy, because I wanted her I

2350
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:39,520
want my concerns to be heard even though

2351
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:42,639
I'm not available to speak for myself. 5

2352
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:44,960
years ago, I made the decision to move

2353
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,040
down into the bottom in Buffalo to be

2354
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:50,239
closer to my family. I chose this place

2355
01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:52,800
because I wanted to enjoy a slower,

2356
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,600
quieter way of life. I wanted quiet

2357
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,760
mornings, quiet evenings. I wanted to

2358
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,520
sit on my porch and watch the lightning

2359
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,840
bugs come out at night. I wanted to

2360
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,719
watch the birds and the wildlife. I

2361
01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:06,719
enjoy seeing the raccoons and the deer

2362
01:45:06,719 --> 01:45:08,400
crossing the yard as they make their way

2363
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:11,199
towards the river. Every spring, I enjoy

2364
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:13,199
seeing the geese come down on the lower

2365
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:15,520
part of the Google property and they lay

2366
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,480
their eggs and they raise their babies.

2367
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:20,800
These may seem like small things to some

2368
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,760
people, but at 79 years old, they are a

2369
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,639
great deal to me. This is the peaceful

2370
01:45:26,639 --> 01:45:28,960
place I have chose for the years that I

2371
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,679
have left. Now I'm facing a very

2372
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:34,000
different reality. The Google data

2373
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,080
center is being built just yards from

2374
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,800
within my home. I understand development

2375
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,040
is coming to our community. I understand

2376
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:44,239
the progress can bring jobs. But I also

2377
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:46,719
ask you as a to remember the people who

2378
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:48,960
already live here.

2379
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:50,480
I'm not asking for anything

2380
01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:52,960
unreasonable. I'm asking you to consider

2381
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:54,880
the residents who have to live beside

2382
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:58,159
this project every single day. I am

2383
01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:00,159
concerned about the construction noise

2384
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:02,239
beginning early in the morning. I am

2385
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:03,600
concerned about the construction

2386
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:05,360
traffic, the heavy equipment, the

2387
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,600
lights, the dust, the constant activity

2388
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:09,199
that will come with the project this

2389
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:12,000
size. I don't want to lose the ability

2390
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,159
to sit on my own porch and enjoy the

2391
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:16,080
quiet life for what years I do have

2392
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:19,760
left. I don't want the wildlife

2393
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:21,920
to disappear from the noise and the

2394
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,719
activity. And most importantly, I don't

2395
01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:27,199
want the peaceful home I have chose

2396
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:30,320
after working my whole life of 60 years

2397
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:32,480
to become a place where I can no longer

2398
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:35,600
enjoy the simple things.

2399
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:37,360
That's what brought me to Buffalo in the

2400
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:40,880
first place, the simple things. At my

2401
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:43,679
age,

2402
01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:46,480
I do know that I want the years to be fe

2403
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:50,080
peaceful. And I am 79 years old. And I

2404
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,080
moved here for this simple life. And the

2405
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,159
simple life is what Buffalo should stay

2406
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:58,419
to be. Thank you.

2407
01:46:58,419 --> 01:47:04,229
[applause]

2408
01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:07,199
I have one from April Spencer. She

2409
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:09,840
actually owns two pro pieces of property

2410
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,080
on that road.

2411
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:15,119
Her home of residence is at 3210 Tim

2412
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:18,800
Street and her proposed rental property

2413
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:22,560
is at 290

2414
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:24,719
20909

2415
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:26,639
Charleston Road, Buffalo, which is about

2416
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:29,119
three houses down from the data center

2417
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:33,124
property.

2418
01:47:33,134 --> 01:47:34,480
[clears throat] She currently takes care

2419
01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:36,480
of her 90-year-old mother and her

2420
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:38,880
residence. And when she passes away, she

2421
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:40,639
would like for her intention to be to

2422
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:43,119
sell her home. She is also currently

2423
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:45,199
trying to sell her rental property with

2424
01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:49,199
no ow. That's not anything coming of it.

2425
01:47:49,199 --> 01:47:51,119
Because of that, she would like to know

2426
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:53,040
how this development could affect the

2427
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:55,040
future value, the taxes, the

2428
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:57,600
marketability, and the sale of her

2429
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,320
property. One of her biggest concerns is

2430
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,480
property taxes. If this development

2431
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:04,880
causes property values in the area to

2432
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,600
increase, I'm concerned that my property

2433
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,239
taxes could also increase. That could

2434
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:12,320
create an additional financial burden

2435
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,639
for homeowners who may not have the same

2436
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:16,800
financial resources as some major

2437
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,280
billion-doll company.

2438
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:21,280
At the same time, I am concerned about

2439
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,440
the possibility that nearby properties

2440
01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:25,840
could actually become less desirable

2441
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:27,920
because of the development, increased

2442
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:30,400
traffic, construction, activity, noise,

2443
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:33,119
and storm water problems.

2444
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:34,960
As Melanie showed you in several of

2445
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:36,639
those pictures, that is also the

2446
01:48:36,639 --> 01:48:40,800
backside of my home and the rental home.

2447
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,639
If it happens, property owners could

2448
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:44,560
find themselves in a situation where

2449
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,040
taxes increase while the inability to

2450
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:50,000
sell the property or actual market value

2451
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,800
decreases. This is a serious concern for

2452
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:54,880
her. She's trying to sell her rental

2453
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:58,080
property now, but since people has heard

2454
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,080
the data center is coming through, she

2455
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,199
hasn't got any interest in it. She's

2456
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:05,520
also extremely concerned about the water

2457
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,880
off storm water runoff and flooding.

2458
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,280
She would also like to know what happens

2459
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:12,880
when the ditches and the culverboards

2460
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:21,510
become backed up.

2461
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,520
She would like for answers. She would

2462
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:25,119
like to know how this project could

2463
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:27,760
affect our future property taxes, how it

2464
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,920
could affect the actual market value and

2465
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:32,080
the ability to sell our homes if we

2466
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,719
decided we do wanted to leave. Whether

2467
01:49:34,719 --> 01:49:36,800
existing drainage ditches and culverts

2468
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,880
are capable of handing handling the

2469
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,600
additional storm water. What protections

2470
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,760
will be in place for existing homeowners

2471
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:47,840
if flooding or drainage problems occur?

2472
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:49,920
Who will be responsible if storm water

2473
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,560
from the de development causes damage to

2474
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:54,960
private property? And what assurances

2475
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,679
existing property owners will have that

2476
01:49:57,679 --> 01:49:59,600
they will not be left financially

2477
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:01,920
responsible for problems created by this

2478
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,880
large-scale development.

2479
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,119
I have invested in my properties and in

2480
01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:09,840
this community. I should not have to

2481
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:12,400
choose between protecting my property,

2482
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:14,560
being able to sell it, and dealing with

2483
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,639
problems caused by development that we

2484
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:20,719
did not create or ask for.

2485
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:22,639
She is simply asking the commission to

2486
01:50:22,639 --> 01:50:24,639
look beyond the immediate project site

2487
01:50:24,639 --> 01:50:26,560
and consider the people who live around

2488
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:31,520
it. And we've waited and we've waited and still no one has

2489
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:33,360
come and knocked on our doors and asked

2490
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:39,109
us how we felt or what we wanted.

2491
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:40,719
And anyway, she would like to thank you

2492
01:50:40,719 --> 01:50:42,960
for listening to her concerns about the

2493
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:46,790
impact of this project.

2494
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:47,280
» Thank you.

2495
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:50,400
>> All right. Thank you. [applause]

2496
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:53,360
>> I have one more.

2497
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,600
and this is actually for my

2498
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,239
husband Tim Lacy that he didn't want to

2499
01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:00,320
get up and speak.

2500
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,480
Um

2501
01:51:02,480 --> 01:51:06,159
he's lived there for 35 years. His home,

2502
01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:07,920
of course, we know is in a flood plane,

2503
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,880
too, cuz we share homes. The things that

2504
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,719
he is concerned about is the noise and

2505
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:15,119
the light pollution. He works 12-hour

2506
01:51:15,119 --> 01:51:17,440
shifts. Sometimes he needs to sleep

2507
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:19,760
during the day.

2508
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:21,520
With the construction, the cooling

2509
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:23,679
equipment, the pumps, the generators,

2510
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:26,320
the traffic, and the lighting, it could

2511
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,320
significantly affect the nearby

2512
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:31,280
residents, what noise and lighting

2513
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:33,520
limits will apply, who will monitor

2514
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:35,199
them, and who will address the

2515
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:37,280
violations.

2516
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:40,320
There is also the area supports deer,

2517
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:43,599
coyotes, minks, birds, hawks, eagles,

2518
01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:45,760
monarch butterflies, bats, and other

2519
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:48,560
wildlife. Clearing land and changing

2520
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,800
drainage could destroy the habitats.

2521
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:52,880
What studies have been done, especially

2522
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,040
regarding protected or endangered

2523
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:56,719
species?

2524
01:51:56,719 --> 01:51:59,360
I appreciate Google's community grants,

2525
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:01,119
of course, he says, but those

2526
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:02,960
contributions do not replace the

2527
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,199
responsibility to protect the nearby

2528
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:06,960
residents who has been living in this

2529
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:09,920
county, like I said, for 35 years when

2530
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:11,679
there was only three or four houses in

2531
01:52:11,679 --> 01:52:13,760
that bottom.

2532
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:15,840
He believes that development must be

2533
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,480
matched by aquatic adequate

2534
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:21,280
infrastructure and safeguards. Residents

2535
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:23,760
should also be informed earlier and

2536
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:25,360
should have been given a meaningful

2537
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:27,760
opportunity to participate.

2538
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:29,360
People should not learn about this

2539
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:31,920
project this large after major decisions

2540
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:34,560
has already been made. Why weren't

2541
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:36,880
nearby residents better notified? And

2542
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,119
why is farmland being considered instead

2543
01:52:39,119 --> 01:52:42,080
of not an industrial site?

2544
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:43,599
residents should have a meaningful

2545
01:52:43,599 --> 01:52:45,679
opportunity, including a vote if

2546
01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:48,239
appropriate, to decide whether this

2547
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:51,520
facility belongs here.

2548
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:53,760
Moving forward, he also asked what

2549
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,960
myself and other neighbors ask.

2550
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:58,800
The storm water and the flooding, the

2551
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,760
impacts, the culverts, the water damage,

2552
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:03,920
the impacts on the nearby properties and

2553
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,040
waterways, the light control, and the

2554
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:09,199
protection for the nearby homeowners,

2555
01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:13,119
the responsibility for future problems.

2556
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:15,280
He would also like to know why farmland

2557
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:18,239
is not be is being used. Like he said,

2558
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:20,400
this is a piece of property that is part

2559
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:22,320
of our history.

2560
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,080
It'd be different if it didn't have

2561
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:27,280
history to it, but it does. And we

2562
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:28,639
should not have to choose between

2563
01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:31,760
economic development and safe, peaceful

2564
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:34,159
homes. Responsible development means

2565
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:36,320
addressing these concerns before they

2566
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:39,040
occur. Please listen to the residents

2567
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:41,440
closest to this project. require

2568
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:43,840
thorough studies and safeguards, involve

2569
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,159
the community, and address the existing

2570
01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:49,119
dra drainage problem before adding a

2571
01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:50,960
major development or a major

2572
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,560
catastrophe.

2573
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:54,880
And please don't let longtime residents

2574
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,119
just be an afterthought.

2575
01:53:57,119 --> 01:53:57,760
Thank you.

2576
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:04,629
>> Thank you. [applause]

2577
01:54:04,639 --> 01:54:06,239
» Just a couple of comments on that one.

2578
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:08,480
the um you know they do have to go

2579
01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:11,360
through the Army Corps of Engineer and D

2580
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:14,159
would be involved in construction. Um

2581
01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:16,480
but I would encourage you to go to the

2582
01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:20,000
uh the site that they created um and ask

2583
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:21,920
any of these questions uh regarding

2584
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:23,599
their their plans.

2585
01:54:23,599 --> 01:54:25,280
>> Every time I try to use it or they don't

2586
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:29,054
respond

2587
01:54:29,064 --> 01:54:29,360
[clears throat]

2588
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:32,239
>> no response

2589
01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:34,000
here in the audience that won't get a

2590
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:34,560
response.

2591
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,679
>> Okay. permit

2592
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:39,119
on that site.

2593
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:43,360
>> No. Yeah, I agree with that. That's held directly through them. No

2594
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:45,599
response on website. Okay, we'll we'll

2595
01:54:45,599 --> 01:54:48,239
reach out on that [clears throat] one.

2596
01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:49,360
>> Yes, sir.

2597
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:52,400
>> Hi. Hello. I'm Dr. Kyle McCoslin. I'm

2598
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:54,560
from Ply. I've been here a few times

2599
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:56,480
before and I want to talk about a couple

2600
01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:58,080
little things. I appreciate what Miss

2601
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:01,280
Lacy said because she's right on target.

2602
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:02,639
All you got to do is look at Mason

2603
01:55:02,639 --> 01:55:04,159
County and see. And it will be much

2604
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:06,080
worse in Putnham County. There's no

2605
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,239
doubt. I've seen the maps. I've seen

2606
01:55:08,239 --> 01:55:09,599
what they're going to do to those

2607
01:55:09,599 --> 01:55:12,960
hillsides. Um it's going to be a wash

2608
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:16,400
out. And not just when they build, it'll

2609
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,880
be in the future. She she's right on

2610
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:20,880
target, by the way. But we're going to

2611
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:23,599
talk about a couple other things. So, I

2612
01:55:23,599 --> 01:55:24,719
thought about this for a while and I

2613
01:55:24,719 --> 01:55:26,639
thought, you know, I'm going to use AI.

2614
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:28,719
I'm gonna I'm gonna ask it a question.

2615
01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:31,760
And the first question I asked was what

2616
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:35,599
biological species destroys its own food

2617
01:55:35,599 --> 01:55:37,599
source? You want to know what the answer

2618
01:55:37,599 --> 01:55:42,000
was? Interesting. Humans are the primary

2619
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:45,440
biological species that systematically

2620
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:49,360
and knowingly degrades or destroys their

2621
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:52,480
own food producing resource. We're the

2622
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:55,760
only ones. I mean, sure, sometimes you

2623
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:57,679
have biological species like deer that

2624
01:55:57,679 --> 01:55:59,920
become overpop populated and they

2625
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:02,080
degrade their environment and then they

2626
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:03,920
die off.

2627
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:07,599
But but we systematically do it.

2628
01:56:07,599 --> 01:56:09,679
No other single species does this. We're

2629
01:56:09,679 --> 01:56:12,239
the only ones. I mean, you need to think

2630
01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:15,520
about that. All of you. All of you. All

2631
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:19,199
of us. Because that's our future.

2632
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:22,159
So Franklin Delanar Roosevelt said it

2633
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:25,840
the best. A nation that destroys its

2634
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:30,240
soils destroys itself.

2635
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:36,390
[applause]

2636
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:38,800
Now, let's talk about Putnham County.

2637
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:42,800
1950, 21,000 people, give or take a few,

2638
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:46,639
lived in this county. 2020,

2639
01:56:46,639 --> 01:56:48,159
57,000,

2640
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:50,239
give or take.

2641
01:56:50,239 --> 01:56:53,040
Now, let's talk about the total land.

2642
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:56,560
and harvested acres lost

2643
01:56:56,560 --> 01:57:00,080
in Putham County since 1950.

2644
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:04,239
Harvested prime farmland.

2645
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:07,440
Total loss has been 15,000 to 18,000

2646
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:09,920
acres.

2647
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:14,159
Right now, 2020, we have less than 5,000

2648
01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:17,599
acres less left in this county. Our

2649
01:57:17,599 --> 01:57:20,400
farmland has not been protected.

2650
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:23,360
And this particular data center is going

2651
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:26,800
to destroy hundreds of more acres. We We

2652
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,520
do not have that much to lose. It's the

2653
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:32,239
most natural resource we have. We've

2654
01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:34,080
been wasteful.

2655
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:35,760
And I've heard you talk a little bit

2656
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:39,119
about planning. I've heard nothing about

2657
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:40,800
agriculture.

2658
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:43,199
I mean, and I pointed out at the last

2659
01:57:43,199 --> 01:57:46,400
time I was here that in 1998, there was

2660
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:49,520
an order created by your predecessors,

2661
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:52,080
three other commissioners who were

2662
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:55,040
supposed to create a land plan. Nothing

2663
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:57,760
was done. So now here we are with less

2664
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:00,400
than 5,000 acres. And now we're talking

2665
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:02,400
about destroying some of the most prime

2666
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:04,880
land we have left.

2667
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:07,760
And here's something other to know about

2668
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:10,480
that prime land.

2669
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:12,719
It is recognized by the National

2670
01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:15,520
Department of Agriculture, national, not

2671
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:18,719
state, not local, as nationally

2672
01:58:18,719 --> 01:58:21,360
important in the USA.

2673
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:22,719
Now, first of all, there's very little

2674
01:58:22,719 --> 01:58:24,560
in West Virginia that's even considered

2675
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:25,760
nationally important from an

2676
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:28,880
agricultural standpoint. We're not Ohio

2677
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:31,760
and it's all in the Cana Valley or in

2678
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:33,599
the Eastern Panhandle. We're a little

2679
01:58:33,599 --> 01:58:35,760
bit left in the Ohio River Valley.

2680
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:39,520
That's it. And Putnham County only has a

2681
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:42,560
little chunk left of the Cana Valley

2682
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:45,360
farmland.

2683
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:47,040
And when you take out what's going to

2684
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:49,840
happen with this data center and a few

2685
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:51,840
other parcels like around Frasier's

2686
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:53,520
bottom

2687
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,599
and what I heard tonight on the

2688
01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:58,000
Courtland Smith property, you're going

2689
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:02,400
to lose another thousand acres. that's, you know, 20% of what you have

2690
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:05,280
left. If you don't do something right

2691
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:08,560
now, you're gonna have nothing. It's

2692
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:09,840
very important that you think about

2693
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,400
this.

2694
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:15,599
And let's talk about the high technology

2695
01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:19,760
valuation act quote data center. Now,

2696
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:22,400
this is this is about why everybody

2697
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:24,000
wants a data center. You know, they

2698
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:25,520
think it's all about money because it is

2699
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:27,840
all about money. Okay, but let's talk

2700
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:30,080
about it for a minute.

2701
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:33,040
for property tax purposes, it's going to

2702
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:35,840
be valued at 5% of the original cost of

2703
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:37,840
the property.

2704
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:39,760
It sounds like a lot of money and and it

2705
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:42,000
is, but it's nothing compared to what

2706
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,320
the rest of us have to pay. I mean, they

2707
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:47,840
get the deal. We get the shaft.

2708
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:50,560
And in addition, the sales tax exemption

2709
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:52,560
for all purchases of pre-written

2710
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:55,920
computer software, computers, computer

2711
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:59,599
hardware, servers, building materials,

2712
01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:02,080
and tangible personal property for

2713
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:06,159
direct use in qualified high technology

2714
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:08,560
businesses or internet advertising

2715
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:11,599
businesses. It's exempt.

2716
02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:16,000
Again, bad deal. I mean, even if you are

2717
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,560
totally focused on the money, it is a

2718
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:21,760
bad deal for us. Good deal for the

2719
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:24,000
state, I guess. Bad deal for everybody

2720
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,360
in this room

2721
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:26,320
>> and you all too.

2722
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:27,119
>> Us included.

2723
02:00:27,119 --> 02:00:30,400
>> Yeah, absolutely. It's a horrible deal.

2724
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:33,440
And to top it off, 70% goes to the

2725
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:37,679
state. I mean, come on. Who who who even

2726
02:00:37,679 --> 02:00:39,840
came up with this idea? Wasn't anybody

2727
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:42,320
in this room, I bet. And it wasn't you

2728
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:43,679
all.

2729
02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:46,960
But it's your job to defend us. I mean,

2730
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:48,560
you need to make a better deal. I mean,

2731
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,400
if you're going to put a data center,

2732
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:53,040
you at least should be getting paid well

2733
02:00:53,040 --> 02:01:01,750
so that at least we can benefit.

2734
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,159
So, let's talk about the pros. The pros

2735
02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:07,679
of a data center. Income, right? That's

2736
02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:09,280
the biggie. You're going to make all

2737
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:10,880
this money. Yet they can't really tell

2738
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:13,040
you how much money. They surmise and

2739
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:15,840
they hypothesize, but nobody really

2740
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:19,360
tells us exactly, you know, and they

2741
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:21,520
talk about construction jobs, which are

2742
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:23,520
great and they're very good for the

2743
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:26,560
economy, but they're temporary and a lot

2744
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:28,080
of them are going to be out of sters.

2745
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:30,800
They're not going to be locals.

2746
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:32,800
And then they talk about the long-term

2747
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:34,320
jobs. And this is the part that really

2748
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:37,679
gets me because if you use AI, which is

2749
02:01:37,679 --> 02:01:40,480
what they all talk about, the average

2750
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:42,880
number of jobs at a data center long

2751
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:47,599
term is 18. It's not 300. It's not 400.

2752
02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:50,159
It's 18. And if you read a little

2753
02:01:50,159 --> 02:01:52,320
further, there will be even less because

2754
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:54,400
what do you think AI is supposed to do?

2755
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:56,800
It's supposed to reduce the need for

2756
02:01:56,800 --> 02:02:00,239
people because we, you know, we we

2757
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:02,719
technologically improve. So instead of

2758
02:02:02,719 --> 02:02:05,280
two people, we need one person.

2759
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:08,000
So the pros are limited, but what are

2760
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:09,679
the cons?

2761
02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:11,040
Well, you're going to degrade your

2762
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:14,159
historical value there. And what amazes

2763
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:15,599
me is that that's probably one of the

2764
02:02:15,599 --> 02:02:17,119
most historical parts you have of

2765
02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:19,440
Lefture County. I didn't know it. I've

2766
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:22,080
learned a lot. I've become much more

2767
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,960
proud of that area and its and its

2768
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,920
historical value. The agricultural

2769
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:31,360
destru destruction is is unheard of

2770
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:33,040
because you don't have enough to work

2771
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:35,760
with and you're destroying your prime

2772
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:38,480
agricultural land that you have left.

2773
02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:41,119
The water issues, people have talked

2774
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:43,679
about this, the amount of water and of

2775
02:02:43,679 --> 02:02:45,280
course it's about water. I mean, look at

2776
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:47,840
the West. If you read about the aquifers

2777
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:50,800
that are being drained in Texas and

2778
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:54,880
Nebraska and Kansas and god forbid, look

2779
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:57,440
at the Colorado River. I mean, it's a

2780
02:02:57,440 --> 02:02:59,920
trickle when you get to Mexico.

2781
02:02:59,920 --> 02:03:01,119
Why do you think they're coming? They're

2782
02:03:01,119 --> 02:03:03,360
coming for our water. You know, even

2783
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:04,880
Michigan knows this with the Great

2784
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:06,960
Lakes. They made a pack with Ohio years

2785
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:08,880
ago because they see what's coming.

2786
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,280
They're trying to protect themselves. We

2787
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:13,679
should be doing the same. WE REALLY

2788
02:03:13,679 --> 02:03:15,035
SHOULD.

2789
02:03:15,035 --> 02:03:19,430
>> [applause]

2790
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:20,960
» AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT electrical

2791
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,920
consumption. It's going to be massive.

2792
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:26,159
And the problem with that is, is the

2793
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:28,080
grid capable of handling it? If not,

2794
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:29,280
what's going to happen to us? We're

2795
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:30,480
going to be the first people without

2796
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:34,320
electric. Not all of us have generators.

2797
02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:36,320
And and then what happens, of course, is

2798
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:37,840
if they can't handle it. They use their

2799
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:39,280
backup generators. And what does that

2800
02:03:39,280 --> 02:03:40,960
do? Well, that creates more noise and

2801
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:43,280
more pollution. And by the way, this

2802
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:44,560
electric that has to be produced

2803
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:45,679
somewhere is going to create more

2804
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:48,480
pollution and everybody's going to be

2805
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:50,239
breathing it and that's going to create

2806
02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:52,639
more health problems. Maybe not here,

2807
02:03:52,639 --> 02:03:54,800
but probably, but it's probably in other

2808
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:56,159
parts of the county or certainly other

2809
02:03:56,159 --> 02:03:58,159
parts of the state.

2810
02:03:58,159 --> 02:04:00,480
You got to think about these things. And

2811
02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:02,239
then you have the noise disruption and

2812
02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:04,000
the lighting disruption and how that

2813
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,159
affects people and their health and the

2814
02:04:06,159 --> 02:04:08,880
animals and and just everybody's

2815
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:10,639
well-being.

2816
02:04:10,639 --> 02:04:12,560
And then you talk about the decreased

2817
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:14,719
local property values. This poor ladies

2818
02:04:14,719 --> 02:04:17,280
will never sell her house. It's not

2819
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:18,800
going to happen. Who's going to buy it

2820
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:20,960
when they know this is coming? It's

2821
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:23,360
already started and it's only going to

2822
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:26,800
get worse. So that hurts us and in the

2823
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:29,679
end it may hurt you all too a certain

2824
02:04:29,679 --> 02:04:32,960
degree, but hurts us a lot more. And

2825
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:34,560
then you talk about the endangered and

2826
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:36,320
the threatened and the potential species

2827
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:38,639
that are going to be driven out. Even if

2828
02:04:38,639 --> 02:04:39,760
they're not killed, they're going to be

2829
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:42,000
driven out. And that is important. It's

2830
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:43,440
part of our life. It's part of our

2831
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:47,599
ecology. It adds to our world.

2832
02:04:47,599 --> 02:04:51,440
And the health issues, well, they're really coming. Wait till you see

2833
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:53,679
the COPD. Wait till you see the asthma.

2834
02:04:53,679 --> 02:04:55,840
Wait till you see the h the cardiac

2835
02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:58,159
problems. It's coming. They haven't

2836
02:04:58,159 --> 02:04:59,520
proven it yet. They haven't done enough

2837
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:01,199
studies because been around long enough.

2838
02:05:01,199 --> 02:05:03,360
But it is coming. I promise you. It's

2839
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:05,040
just a matter of time. And it may be you

2840
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:08,320
all or some of us or even worse it'll be

2841
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:11,750
your children.

2842
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:13,280
And then we talk about climate

2843
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:16,000
disruption. These are heat islands.

2844
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:16,960
These are going to raise your

2845
02:05:16,960 --> 02:05:20,800
temperature in that area by 5 6 10°. And

2846
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:23,280
that's going to affect our crops that

2847
02:05:23,280 --> 02:05:25,840
are left, the farmland that's left. The

2848
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:27,760
animals, they're not going to reproduce

2849
02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:29,840
nearly as well.

2850
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:31,040
And you have to think about these

2851
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:32,880
things. These are the cons. And and this

2852
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:34,960
was the whole point of the resolution,

2853
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:38,400
which is yes, I know money is important.

2854
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:40,719
I know growth is important, but it has

2855
02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:44,159
to be it has to benefit all of us and it

2856
02:05:44,159 --> 02:05:46,239
has to be balanced. This is not

2857
02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:48,639
balanced. Not yet. I'm not saying the

2858
02:05:48,639 --> 02:05:50,239
data center can't happen at some point

2859
02:05:50,239 --> 02:05:52,719
in the future. It's being pushed and

2860
02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:54,239
it's being pushed too quickly. And when

2861
02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:55,679
you do anything too quickly, you make

2862
02:05:55,679 --> 02:05:57,840
bad decisions and then you have to live

2863
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:00,239
with all the consequences. And that's

2864
02:06:00,239 --> 02:06:02,000
why you should always sleep on it for a

2865
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:04,800
night or two when you make a decision.

2866
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:06,000
All right. So, I'm going to end this

2867
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:08,800
here.

2868
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:10,639
It's a call to what I do not want and

2869
02:06:10,639 --> 02:06:13,679
what I do want. What I don't want is I

2870
02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:16,400
don't need self-driving cars.

2871
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:20,000
I don't need humanoid robot robots.

2872
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:23,920
I don't need AI in every app that I use.

2873
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:26,639
Okay? I don't need it. What I do need is

2874
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:30,320
clean water, a stable climate, and a

2875
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:37,422
habitable planet. That's what we need.

2876
02:06:37,432 --> 02:06:40,550
[applause]

2877
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:43,520
And this is my last statement

2878
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:45,840
and this is deals with agriculture which

2879
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:48,719
I think you need to think very seriously

2880
02:06:48,719 --> 02:06:53,040
about. It's no farms, no food, no

2881
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:55,117
future.

2882
02:06:55,117 --> 02:07:02,550
>> [applause]

2883
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:05,040
» THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

2884
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:06,560
Anyone else?

2885
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:10,560
>> I have a question. Has there been an

2886
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:13,840
impact study done on how these centers

2887
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:15,360
are going to affect us?

2888
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:16,560
>> I have no idea.

2889
02:07:16,560 --> 02:07:17,520
>> No.

2890
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:20,000
>> Shouldn't there have been one before was

2891
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:20,719
all

2892
02:07:20,719 --> 02:07:23,199
>> I Yes. And I I think all these are great

2893
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:25,440
statements and I think if you guys take

2894
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:27,920
this passion to the legislature, may

2895
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:30,239
maybe we can have an impact. Uh

2896
02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:34,880
>> do you have the authority to address our

2897
02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:35,440
problems?

2898
02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:37,599
>> We don't. We have to go to Charleston to

2899
02:07:37,599 --> 02:07:37,920
do that.

2900
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:39,520
>> You have to go to Charleston.

2901
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,800
>> We need to get rid of everybody else.

2902
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:44,719
>> I I'm just saying that you House Bill

2903
02:07:44,719 --> 02:07:47,280
2014 takes all of our local authority

2904
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:49,840
away. Whether it be zoning, whether it

2905
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:53,440
be permitting, we a data center doesn't

2906
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:55,280
have to do anything with the county

2907
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:55,840
commission.

2908
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:58,000
>> How do they have the authority to do

2909
02:07:58,000 --> 02:07:58,880
that?

2910
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:02,560
>> They they passed a law, House Bill 2014.

2911
02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:06,239
>> But how can they strip local governments

2912
02:08:06,239 --> 02:08:08,960
of their right to govern you guys?

2913
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:11,360
>> Yes. Because they

2914
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:12,400
strip your right away.

2915
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:13,760
>> They wrote the law. They stripped it

2916
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:15,280
away.

2917
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:17,360
>> Yeah. All right. Now with the power

2918
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:19,760
company, Mr. McCall was talking about

2919
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:23,679
power. I am all electric. The last time

2920
02:08:23,679 --> 02:08:29,040
my power went off, I was on 17 days, not

2921
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:33,040
hours. If they use all the electric that

2922
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:35,280
I hear they're going to use, what's that

2923
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:38,480
going to do to my house? So, so one part

2924
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:41,040
that what we've been educated on is the

2925
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:43,040
reason they're located where they are is

2926
02:08:43,040 --> 02:08:46,000
the location to the 756 transmission

2927
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:47,440
line. That's actually over on the

2928
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:49,360
Frasier's bottom side. It's about 2 mi

2929
02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:51,760
away. So, they are not hooking into

2930
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:53,679
actually to the local grid. They are

2931
02:08:53,679 --> 02:08:56,000
hooking into the 756 transmission line

2932
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:57,440
that goes through that area.

2933
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:58,880
>> So, it won't I

2934
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:00,000
>> I'm not saying that. I'm just telling

2935
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:01,760
you what we've been told. I have no

2936
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:03,360
idea. I don't work for the power

2937
02:09:03,360 --> 02:09:05,760
company. I don't know how that works.

2938
02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:09,280
>> Is this thing going to be self-contained

2939
02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:12,320
in the water because I went to Colorado

2940
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:14,719
just recently and it just so happens was

2941
02:09:14,719 --> 02:09:18,880
a lady sitting beside of me from Indiana

2942
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:21,360
I believe it was and her company builds

2943
02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:23,199
these

2944
02:09:23,199 --> 02:09:26,239
and she said all of them today are

2945
02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:28,639
supposed to be self-contained.

2946
02:09:28,639 --> 02:09:30,719
>> Yeah, closed loop is what they call them

2947
02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:32,639
as and that's the indication that's been

2948
02:09:32,639 --> 02:09:34,480
made is that they intend to be a closed

2949
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:38,320
loop system. permit for 30 water and

2950
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:42,629
river

2951
02:09:42,639 --> 02:09:48,629
» if you want information.

2952
02:09:48,639 --> 02:09:49,360
» Okay.

2953
02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:51,840
>> And when I was out of power and I called

2954
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:54,639
the public service and you people pay

2955
02:09:54,639 --> 02:09:56,960
attention. I told her what my problem

2956
02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:58,960
was and you know what she did? She

2957
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:00,480
laughed and she said, "Well, that's what

2958
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:02,239
you get for living out in the country."

2959
02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:05,520
Oh, I forgot her name.

2960
02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:06,400
Yeah,

2961
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:07,520
>> I get it.

2962
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:09,119
>> All right, let let's let's give it to

2963
02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:10,639
the microphone. Hi,

2964
02:10:10,639 --> 02:10:12,880
>> my name is Cheryl Manny Penny Thrift. I

2965
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:16,079
am a resident of Scott Depot. Uh I will

2966
02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:18,079
be as brief as possible. My

2967
02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:20,790
granddaughters are hungry and bored.

2968
02:10:20,790 --> 02:10:22,560
[laughter]

2969
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:26,800
Um, I I've questioned how we got here

2970
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:29,119
and and I know we got here to a large

2971
02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:32,580
extent due to House Bill 2014,

2972
02:10:32,580 --> 02:10:33,119
[snorts]

2973
02:10:33,119 --> 02:10:35,440
but what I don't understand is the

2974
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:37,679
nondisclosure agreement that I

2975
02:10:37,679 --> 02:10:40,400
understand that you all uh have signed.

2976
02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:42,560
Can you explain to me what that is?

2977
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:44,639
>> So, I I was the only one that signed it.

2978
02:10:44,639 --> 02:10:48,800
>> Okay. Uh, and this was probably about a

2979
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:52,239
year and a half ago. And because there

2980
02:10:52,239 --> 02:10:54,239
was talk of some development, I didn't

2981
02:10:54,239 --> 02:10:56,079
know it was a data center or anything,

2982
02:10:56,079 --> 02:10:59,199
but I never had any contact with the

2983
02:10:59,199 --> 02:11:02,079
company. So, I signed a non-disclosure

2984
02:11:02,079 --> 02:11:04,239
to start to have talks about what could

2985
02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:08,079
come to the community. And I guess that was probably right about the time

2986
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:10,639
House Bill 2014 was in legislation. So,

2987
02:11:10,639 --> 02:11:12,000
once that passed, they didn't have to

2988
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:14,239
have any contact.

2989
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:15,920
that that helps me understand. Thank

2990
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:20,239
you. Um do you I I know that your power

2991
02:11:20,239 --> 02:11:22,960
essentially has been taken away. Uh I

2992
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:24,320
appreciate that you all have sat here

2993
02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:27,520
and listened to the public and all of

2994
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:30,480
our concerns and I share all the the

2995
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:31,920
concerns that you've heard here this

2996
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:33,920
evening. [gasps]

2997
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:38,560
But what can we do? What can we do to

2998
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:42,719
have House Bill 2014 revoked, repealed,

2999
02:11:42,719 --> 02:11:45,360
whatever the correct terminology is? Can

3000
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:48,880
you all file a lawsuit directly? That's

3001
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:50,079
my direct question.

3002
02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:52,079
>> I mean, anybody can file a lawsuit.

3003
02:11:52,079 --> 02:11:53,920
>> I don't think individuals can. I think

3004
02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:54,639
only

3005
02:11:54,639 --> 02:11:56,480
>> Well, I mean, just just in general, just

3006
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:58,079
I was just speaking, you know, in

3007
02:11:58,079 --> 02:11:59,599
general, anybody can file a lawsuit

3008
02:11:59,599 --> 02:12:01,360
whether they're right or wrong. We have

3009
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:03,679
looked at it. We have had contacts with

3010
02:12:03,679 --> 02:12:06,880
Mon County um who is also looking at the

3011
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:12,320
same issue. Um because regardless of

3012
02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:14,639
what what happened, we have to deal with

3013
02:12:14,639 --> 02:12:17,040
this. It's in our community and and

3014
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:19,599
again, we know there's pros and cons and

3015
02:12:19,599 --> 02:12:22,000
we know I I've been on record and I'll

3016
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:24,320
say it again. Not all data centers are

3017
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:26,480
created equal. I I believe there is a

3018
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:30,159
difference between um a developer data

3019
02:12:30,159 --> 02:12:32,320
center that is I'm going to build it and

3020
02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:35,599
they're going to come or one like we're

3021
02:12:35,599 --> 02:12:38,239
dealing with Google. Um I will say I

3022
02:12:38,239 --> 02:12:40,719
know I'm talking to a room that wants no

3023
02:12:40,719 --> 02:12:42,320
data center, no way, no how and I get

3024
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:44,880
that. I fully understand that. But in my

3025
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:47,280
dealings with Google, I have seen that

3026
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:49,679
their willingness to try to share

3027
02:12:49,679 --> 02:12:54,320
information and try it seems we did do a

3028
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:56,000
tour uh for those that weren't here at

3029
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:57,360
the previous committee. All three

3030
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:58,880
commissioners went to the new Albany

3031
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:01,520
site in Columbus, Ohio. Uh we did a

3032
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:04,320
about a 4-hour tour of the facility. Its

3033
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:06,800
size is very comparable to the one that

3034
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:09,040
is being proposed in Buffalo.

3035
02:13:09,040 --> 02:13:11,760
um it's on about 700 acres where what

3036
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:14,560
they p purchased from a and that that's

3037
02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:16,320
another important point I think we need

3038
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:19,280
to talk about as well is it's not like

3039
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:22,719
they bought from one private entity um

3040
02:13:22,719 --> 02:13:24,639
you know I I understand the farmland I

3041
02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:26,880
understand that discussion you know that

3042
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:28,400
was a private entity decided to make

3043
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:30,400
that sale of farmland and those those

3044
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:33,440
families decided to sell to a 60 70

3045
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:36,000
years ago uh so this has kind of been a

3046
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:38,639
trickle down effect of why are we where

3047
02:13:38,639 --> 02:13:41,280
we're at now? Your original question.

3048
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:44,400
Um, but during that tour in New Albany,

3049
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:48,000
Ohio, um, we did see I think there's uh

3050
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:50,159
there were six units online. They were

3051
02:13:50,159 --> 02:13:52,400
building a seventh unit. Uh, we had a

3052
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:54,320
chance to talk to some of the workers uh

3053
02:13:54,320 --> 02:13:56,480
that are there in the the the data

3054
02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:58,800
center that size. You had about 400

3055
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:01,199
Google employees. You had about 400

3056
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:04,400
daily contract workers. And then over on

3057
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:05,840
building seven, the one they were

3058
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:07,840
building, you had roughly about 800

3059
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:10,239
trades people that were working in

3060
02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:13,040
construction at that time. Um, looking

3061
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:17,040
at that site, um, I again it I know it's

3062
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:19,360
a in in your backyard it's a different

3063
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:22,960
story and I get that 100%. Um, my

3064
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:25,679
biggest concern is the construction

3065
02:14:25,679 --> 02:14:27,599
phase. This is a long construction

3066
02:14:27,599 --> 02:14:29,920
phase. the road to get these

3067
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:32,079
construction materials. That's a huge

3068
02:14:32,079 --> 02:14:33,520
concern because that's coming right

3069
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:35,920
through town and that's going to be all

3070
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:38,880
day long. So, that is that is a huge

3071
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:41,360
concern that I feel like that we need to

3072
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:44,400
be looking at because as of right now,

3073
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:48,159
even if House Bill 2014 didn't exist,

3074
02:14:48,159 --> 02:14:50,480
that that was an unzoned area of Putham

3075
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:54,239
County. So, zoning zoning didn't matter.

3076
02:14:54,239 --> 02:14:56,480
They are uh Google is going through the

3077
02:14:56,480 --> 02:14:57,840
planning office with some of the

3078
02:14:57,840 --> 02:14:59,760
permitting requests that would be

3079
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:01,920
required uh addressing some of the

3080
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:03,280
concerns probably not all of them that

3081
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:05,360
Miss Lacy brought up concerning runoff

3082
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:08,159
and things like that. Uh but there is uh

3083
02:15:08,159 --> 02:15:10,320
there will be some information shared

3084
02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:12,960
through through the planning office that

3085
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:15,679
will will be open to the public uh as

3086
02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:18,880
they go through that process. Um then

3087
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:20,719
army corps engineer once they go through

3088
02:15:20,719 --> 02:15:22,480
their review my understanding that

3089
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:25,520
probably takes about a year and then u

3090
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:28,159
during construction phase you have D

3091
02:15:28,159 --> 02:15:30,320
that will be monitoring the construction

3092
02:15:30,320 --> 02:15:33,280
side of things. Um I know I just went on

3093
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:35,280
a rant there but uh did did I address

3094
02:15:35,280 --> 02:15:36,079
some of your questions?

3095
02:15:36,079 --> 02:15:36,880
>> You you did.

3096
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:37,679
>> Okay.

3097
02:15:37,679 --> 02:15:39,599
>> Um I guess the rest of what I have to

3098
02:15:39,599 --> 02:15:42,159
say is not only for your information but

3099
02:15:42,159 --> 02:15:45,520
for the rest of the group here. Uh I

3100
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:49,280
spent probably 30 years of my career

3101
02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:54,239
doing environmental permitting for a uh

3102
02:15:54,239 --> 02:15:56,960
interstate transmission pipeline.

3103
02:15:56,960 --> 02:15:59,760
So I know quite a bit about the Clean

3104
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:01,760
Water Act, the National Historic

3105
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:04,079
Preservation Act, the Endangered Species

3106
02:16:04,079 --> 02:16:06,719
Act, etc., etc.

3107
02:16:06,719 --> 02:16:09,119
And I'm very upset with our state

3108
02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:12,079
legislature for taking any local control

3109
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:13,920
away.

3110
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:16,880
And I'm upset with the state in general

3111
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:20,320
for uh taking if we end up with this

3112
02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:23,119
thing and we we don't get the money kind

3113
02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:25,599
of thing. Exactly there. But

3114
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:27,920
>> we still have the federal government

3115
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:31,520
that we can try to push on. All these

3116
02:16:31,520 --> 02:16:33,280
permits

3117
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:36,479
>> are under federal law. The endangered

3118
02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:38,960
species act is the federal endangered

3119
02:16:38,960 --> 02:16:42,080
species act. the clean water act which

3120
02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:47,040
is uh done by the core of engineers is

3121
02:16:47,040 --> 02:16:50,479
the federal clean water act. So, if we

3122
02:16:50,479 --> 02:16:54,160
can't fight this battle, for lack of a

3123
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:56,399
better way to put it, with our state

3124
02:16:56,399 --> 02:17:00,719
legislature or our local D or whomever,

3125
02:17:00,719 --> 02:17:03,439
we need to start looking at what can we

3126
02:17:03,439 --> 02:17:05,920
do through the federal laws in the

3127
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:08,000
federal entities. I don't know that it

3128
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:10,559
will help, but it is another avenue I

3129
02:17:10,559 --> 02:17:14,479
think we can pursue to try to make sure

3130
02:17:14,479 --> 02:17:16,559
if this thing goes in, it goes in as

3131
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:19,760
environmentally sound as it possibly can

3132
02:17:19,760 --> 02:17:23,760
and preferably not go in at all. Uh, I

3133
02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:26,639
thank you for your time. I I'll leave

3134
02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:29,519
you with one last thing.

3135
02:17:29,519 --> 02:17:31,840
I don't know how I feel about you as

3136
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:34,160
individual commissioners, but I do

3137
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:37,599
respect what you put up with. Uh, I was

3138
02:17:37,599 --> 02:17:40,000
born and raised in Hancock County. My

3139
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:42,080
father was a county commissioner for 18

3140
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:42,559
years.

3141
02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:44,000
>> Oh, wow. God bless you.

3142
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:46,160
>> That was before cell phones and

3143
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:48,559
computers and everything else. And our

3144
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:51,840
phone never stopped ringing. And of

3145
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:53,920
course, my mother quit answering it. So,

3146
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:55,599
being a teenager in the house, I

3147
02:17:55,599 --> 02:17:57,200
answered it. I wanted to talk to my

3148
02:17:57,200 --> 02:18:00,160
boyfriend. I did not want my dad on the

3149
02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:01,920
phone for another hour listening or

3150
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:04,639
talking to somebody. I know that you

3151
02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:07,120
must feel at times that the weight is on

3152
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:09,040
your shoulders. The of the weight of the

3153
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:12,160
world is on your shoulders. Um, and I

3154
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:13,920
know you listen tonight very patiently

3155
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:15,760
when you sat there knowing there's not a

3156
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:19,599
whole lot you can do. But if you can do

3157
02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:21,920
something, including going forward with

3158
02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:24,319
a lawsuit on behalf of your

3159
02:18:24,319 --> 02:18:30,080
constituents, I for one would be very, happy.

3160
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:33,040
[applause] Thank you.

3161
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:37,830
>> Go feed those grandkids.

3162
02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:39,599
» Miss Mills Polly.

3163
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:42,160
>> Thank you, Ellen Mills Polly. I'm from

3164
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:46,240
Scott Depot, Crooked Creek. Um, and I

3165
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:47,920
have to say thank you all too for

3166
02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:49,519
putting up with it. I know that it's

3167
02:18:49,519 --> 02:18:52,559
difficult. Uh, and I appreciate you

3168
02:18:52,559 --> 02:18:56,240
paying attention to us. Um, and I'd like

3169
02:18:56,240 --> 02:19:00,080
to I agree with and for the all of all

3170
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:03,679
of the aforementioned reasons I believe

3171
02:19:03,679 --> 02:19:06,240
this is not right. It's not being done

3172
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:08,880
right. It isn't going to happen right.

3173
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:11,760
Isn't you know it just isn't. I am

3174
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:16,000
opposed to data centers and even if it

3175
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:18,000
makes no difference to the powers that

3176
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:21,760
be in Charleston, I urge all of you and

3177
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:23,359
you collectively as the county

3178
02:19:23,359 --> 02:19:27,439
commission to express your opposition in

3179
02:19:27,439 --> 02:19:31,120
writing to someone, the governor, the

3180
02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:35,280
data zar, whatever it is

3181
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:38,319
in your opposition to the way this is

3182
02:19:38,319 --> 02:19:42,080
being done and what is being done unless

3183
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:44,639
you are secretly for data centers and

3184
02:19:44,639 --> 02:19:46,399
you don't want to tell those people you

3185
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:48,559
don't want to be for them. But I would

3186
02:19:48,559 --> 02:19:51,680
urge you to stand up and say we're

3187
02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:53,840
opposed to the way this is being done.

3188
02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:56,479
House Bill 2014

3189
02:19:56,479 --> 02:19:59,760
is horrible and I feel certain that at

3190
02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:02,640
some point it will be uncovered and

3191
02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:05,680
discovered what a terrible thing that

3192
02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:09,280
was to all of us in West Virginia. Um

3193
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:11,439
the other thing I'd like to bring up

3194
02:20:11,439 --> 02:20:17,120
quickly and that is um the the uh Valley

3195
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:21,200
North transmission lines that come out

3196
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:24,399
of John Amos. It's already a 55 or 60

3197
02:20:24,399 --> 02:20:28,399
year old facility to go through 12

3198
02:20:28,399 --> 02:20:31,920
counties to the eastern panhandle to

3199
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:36,399
send electric to a data center

3200
02:20:36,399 --> 02:20:40,080
in Virginia. not even for us to use. And

3201
02:20:40,080 --> 02:20:43,120
that facility is already old. That

3202
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:46,160
facility, it's down the river. Um, it's

3203
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:49,200
already up the river. It's already old.

3204
02:20:49,200 --> 02:20:51,520
It can't handle being having the

3205
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:53,520
electric sucked out of it to take it to

3206
02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:57,760
Virginia. So, other county commissions,

3207
02:20:57,760 --> 02:21:00,479
I had the paperwork for two of them, but

3208
02:21:00,479 --> 02:21:02,160
I believe that there are eight or 10

3209
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:04,720
more out of the 12 counties. Other

3210
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:07,680
county commissions have expressed in

3211
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:11,760
writing to the public service commission

3212
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:14,479
and to the Valley North people that they

3213
02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:17,359
res are opposed to the Valley North

3214
02:21:17,359 --> 02:21:19,439
transmission line going through our

3215
02:21:19,439 --> 02:21:21,200
county and their county. It's going to

3216
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:25,600
devastate more of North Putton. I

3217
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:28,880
respectfully respectfully asked you to

3218
02:21:28,880 --> 02:21:33,520
join them in writing some kind of a

3219
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:35,840
letter in opposition to the Valley

3220
02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:39,439
North. We beat one line and that was

3221
02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:44,000
PATH about 20 or 25 years ago and it is

3222
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:46,399
possible for us to express stand up for

3223
02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:48,640
ourselves. we're getting screwed with

3224
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:52,399
the uh data center. We don't need to get

3225
02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:55,680
it twice. So, please consider some type

3226
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:58,319
of correspondence with the powers that

3227
02:21:58,319 --> 02:22:00,720
be that you're opposed to it if you are

3228
02:22:00,720 --> 02:22:03,040
indeed opposed to it. And I think the

3229
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:04,399
people in this room would like to see

3230
02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:06,319
you all stand up and do that. Thank you

3231
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:10,153
so much.

3232
02:22:10,163 --> 02:22:16,870
[applause]

3233
02:22:16,880 --> 02:22:17,920
Good evening, gentlemen.

3234
02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:18,800
>> Good evening.

3235
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:21,760
>> My name is Alicia Rice and I live on the

3236
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:25,040
border of Putnham and Mason County.

3237
02:22:25,040 --> 02:22:27,760
Therefore, I'm a member of both Putinham

3238
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:31,439
United as well as Mason United.

3239
02:22:31,439 --> 02:22:33,920
So, tonight I'd like to zoom out a

3240
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:36,880
little bit. We've spent time talking

3241
02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:39,120
about data centers as buildings and

3242
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:41,920
operations and talking about their size

3243
02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:44,479
and their resource use, pollution, jobs,

3244
02:22:44,479 --> 02:22:47,120
and economic opportunity. These are

3245
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:49,040
important questions, but I think there's

3246
02:22:49,040 --> 02:22:52,080
another question we need to ask. What

3247
02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:56,080
are all these data centers actually for?

3248
02:22:56,080 --> 02:22:57,520
They're part of the physical

3249
02:22:57,520 --> 02:22:59,280
infrastructure supporting an

3250
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:02,880
increasingly datadriven world where

3251
02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:05,359
enormous amounts of information can be

3252
02:23:05,359 --> 02:23:09,200
collected, stored, processed, and most

3253
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:12,240
importantly analyzed at a speed and

3254
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:16,399
scale we've never experienced before.

3255
02:23:16,399 --> 02:23:18,880
And that's where I'd like to connect a

3256
02:23:18,880 --> 02:23:21,920
few dots. Um, I know that Putnham County

3257
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:24,160
was considering installing flock cameras

3258
02:23:24,160 --> 02:23:26,880
and I'm not exactly sure what the future

3259
02:23:26,880 --> 02:23:30,160
of that might be. Um, these cameras are

3260
02:23:30,160 --> 02:23:33,359
often presented to us as a public safety

3261
02:23:33,359 --> 02:23:35,920
tool and I understand why that sounds

3262
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:38,960
appealing. As the world gets crazier,

3263
02:23:38,960 --> 02:23:42,800
safety matters, especially as we age and

3264
02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:44,640
may feel a little bit more vulnerable

3265
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:47,439
than we once did. If someone tells us

3266
02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:49,280
that a camera can help catch the person

3267
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:51,520
who stole our car or find a missing

3268
02:23:51,520 --> 02:23:53,760
child, most of us are probably going to

3269
02:23:53,760 --> 02:23:56,240
think that sounds like a really good

3270
02:23:56,240 --> 02:23:59,520
thing. And it very very well may be at

3271
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:01,840
first blush, but I think it's important

3272
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:04,880
to go deeper and to look under the hood.

3273
02:24:04,880 --> 02:24:07,280
Think about the old security camera at

3274
02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:09,359
the corner store.

3275
02:24:09,359 --> 02:24:11,439
If police wanted that footage, someone

3276
02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:14,240
generally had to go get it. and that

3277
02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:17,120
camera only knew what happened in front

3278
02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:20,160
of that camera.

3279
02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:23,120
Flock completely changes the equation.

3280
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:26,000
It doesn't merely record an image. It

3281
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:28,319
captures searchable information about a

3282
02:24:28,319 --> 02:24:31,359
vehicle, including the license plate,

3283
02:24:31,359 --> 02:24:34,319
the car characteristics, the location,

3284
02:24:34,319 --> 02:24:37,040
and the time it was seen. And it puts

3285
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:39,200
all that information into a network

3286
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:41,520
system that law enforcement can search

3287
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:44,160
from their office chair, sometimes

3288
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:47,040
thousands of miles away.

3289
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:48,880
The difference isn't simply better

3290
02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:50,399
cameras.

3291
02:24:50,399 --> 02:24:52,640
The difference is that surveillance has

3292
02:24:52,640 --> 02:24:54,880
become instantaneously

3293
02:24:54,880 --> 02:24:56,800
searchable.

3294
02:24:56,800 --> 02:24:59,359
And there are constitutional re reasons

3295
02:24:59,359 --> 02:25:02,560
to pause here in cases like both

3296
02:25:02,560 --> 02:25:06,319
Carpenter and Kylo versus the US. The

3297
02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:08,399
Supreme Court has recognized that

3298
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:11,040
advancing technology can change the

3299
02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:14,000
Fourth Amendment equation, especially

3300
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:16,000
when it allows government to track our

3301
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,319
movements or obtain information it

3302
02:25:18,319 --> 02:25:20,319
couldn't previously access without a

3303
02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:21,760
search.

3304
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:24,720
Neither case involved flock cameras, but

3305
02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:27,760
the principle matters because advancing

3306
02:25:27,760 --> 02:25:30,399
technology doesn't erase our rights to

3307
02:25:30,399 --> 02:25:33,760
protection from unreasonable searches

3308
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:36,000
and seizures.

3309
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:38,000
Most of us don't particularly care if

3310
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:41,120
somebody sees our car drive past Kroger.

3311
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:44,080
That's one photograph in time.

3312
02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:46,399
But what happens when thousands of those

3313
02:25:46,399 --> 02:25:49,040
photographs can be assembled?

3314
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:51,600
At some point, we no longer have a

3315
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:53,200
photograph.

3316
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:56,240
We have a movie. And increasingly,

3317
02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:58,560
artificial intelligence can help

3318
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:00,880
assemble the pieces of that movie over

3319
02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:05,040
time to create a story.

3320
02:26:05,040 --> 02:26:07,120
And that's where data centers enter this

3321
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:10,399
conversation because all of that data

3322
02:26:10,399 --> 02:26:13,280
requires somewhere to live.

3323
02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:16,319
Cameras collect it. Digital networks

3324
02:26:16,319 --> 02:26:18,960
move it. Data centers provide the

3325
02:26:18,960 --> 02:26:21,359
computing infrastructure to store and

3326
02:26:21,359 --> 02:26:24,479
process it. And AI helps make sense of

3327
02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:26,240
it.

3328
02:26:26,240 --> 02:26:28,640
History also teaches us that technology

3329
02:26:28,640 --> 02:26:32,240
rarely stays exactly where it starts.

3330
02:26:32,240 --> 02:26:35,040
The cell phone started as a telephone

3331
02:26:35,040 --> 02:26:37,200
and social media was a way to connect

3332
02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:39,040
with friends.

3333
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:41,920
both became something much larger over

3334
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:43,840
time.

3335
02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:47,520
And somehow along the way, we became

3336
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:49,760
products ourselves.

3337
02:26:49,760 --> 02:26:53,680
Our clicks, purchases, movements,

3338
02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:56,880
relationships, and even biometric

3339
02:26:56,880 --> 02:26:59,280
information like our fingerprints and

3340
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:02,399
faces have become extraordinarily

3341
02:27:02,399 --> 02:27:06,240
valuable data. In a sense, corporations

3342
02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:10,080
have learned how to digitally mine us.

3343
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:12,000
There's even a name for part of this

3344
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:15,439
economic model. It's called surveillance

3345
02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:17,760
capitalism.

3346
02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:19,600
Information about human beings has

3347
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:22,479
value. And the more that can be gathered

3348
02:27:22,479 --> 02:27:24,960
and connected, the more valuable and

3349
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:27,680
powerful it becomes.

3350
02:27:27,680 --> 02:27:31,520
We are building capabilities today that

3351
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:34,720
future generations, corporations, and

3352
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:38,080
governments will inherit.

3353
02:27:38,080 --> 02:27:40,000
And we don't get to choose who will

3354
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:43,920
always be sitting behind the controls.

3355
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:47,120
The question isn't only do we trust the

3356
02:27:47,120 --> 02:27:50,960
people using this technology today.

3357
02:27:50,960 --> 02:27:54,000
The question is, what power are we

3358
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:56,399
creating for whoever controls it

3359
02:27:56,399 --> 02:27:58,399
tomorrow?

3360
02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:01,359
When the political guard changes, as it

3361
02:28:01,359 --> 02:28:04,399
always does, what seems acceptable under

3362
02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:06,720
one set of leaders may look very

3363
02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:09,439
different under another. Once these

3364
02:28:09,439 --> 02:28:11,359
cameras, databases, and computing

3365
02:28:11,359 --> 02:28:13,920
systems become interconnected,

3366
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:16,640
they become increasingly difficult to

3367
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:18,399
unwind.

3368
02:28:18,399 --> 02:28:20,479
That's why these conversations need to

3369
02:28:20,479 --> 02:28:23,280
happen now while citizens still have an

3370
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:25,600
opportunity to ask questions and weigh

3371
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:28,080
in on decisions that may shape our lives

3372
02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:30,399
for decades.

3373
02:28:30,399 --> 02:28:32,240
And that's why I keep returning to

3374
02:28:32,240 --> 02:28:33,760
something I've written and talked about

3375
02:28:33,760 --> 02:28:35,280
before.

3376
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:39,120
Sometimes, maybe even often, progress

3377
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:42,479
moves faster than wisdom.

3378
02:28:42,479 --> 02:28:45,040
We become so fascinated by what

3379
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:48,640
technology can do that we forget to ask

3380
02:28:48,640 --> 02:28:51,359
what it should do.

3381
02:28:51,359 --> 02:28:54,000
Just because we can do something does

3382
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:56,880
not mean that we should.

3383
02:28:56,880 --> 02:28:58,720
ask whether something makes us

3384
02:28:58,720 --> 02:29:00,240
safer

3385
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:02,640
and then perhaps we should also ask what

3386
02:29:02,640 --> 02:29:05,120
we're giving up in exchange for that

3387
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:07,040
safety.

3388
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:08,880
We can ask whether a data center will

3389
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:11,520
bring economic development.

3390
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:14,160
But perhaps we should also ask what kind

3391
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:16,720
of digital future these enormous

3392
02:29:16,720 --> 02:29:19,840
facilities are helping make possible and

3393
02:29:19,840 --> 02:29:22,720
at what cost.

3394
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:26,399
Is the juice worth the squeeze?

3395
02:29:26,399 --> 02:29:28,160
These aren't questions coming from fear

3396
02:29:28,160 --> 02:29:32,319
of technology. I enjoy technology.

3397
02:29:32,319 --> 02:29:36,080
They're questions about responsibility.

3398
02:29:36,080 --> 02:29:38,720
The question is whether our wisdom,

3399
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:42,560
privacy, accountability, and consent are

3400
02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:45,359
going to evolve as quickly as technology

3401
02:29:45,359 --> 02:29:49,520
does. And right now, I'm not convinced

3402
02:29:49,520 --> 02:29:51,840
they are.

3403
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:54,000
So, as Putnham County considers the

3404
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:56,000
technologies and infrastructure coming

3405
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:58,960
into our communities, I'm simply asking

3406
02:29:58,960 --> 02:30:02,640
us to connect the dots with foresight.

3407
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:05,760
Look beyond the individual camera.

3408
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:09,760
Look beyond the individual data center.

3409
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:11,840
And for a moment, look beyond the

3410
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:14,880
promise of safety, convenience, or

3411
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:18,000
economic development and ask what kind

3412
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:21,439
of system all these individual pieces

3413
02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:23,760
may eventually create when they're

3414
02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:26,240
connected together.

3415
02:30:26,240 --> 02:30:30,560
Yes, economic opportunity matters, but

3416
02:30:30,560 --> 02:30:34,399
so do freedom, privacy, and quality of

3417
02:30:34,399 --> 02:30:36,000
life

3418
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:38,160
because we're not simply deciding what

3419
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:40,080
kind of technology we want in Putham

3420
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:42,080
County.

3421
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:45,200
In some way, we're helping decide what

3422
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:48,080
kind of world we want to live in and

3423
02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:50,399
what kind of world we're living to we're

3424
02:30:50,399 --> 02:30:53,040
willing to leave behind for our children

3425
02:30:53,040 --> 02:30:55,760
and our grandchildren.

3426
02:30:55,760 --> 02:31:04,070
Thank you for your time. J, [applause]

3427
02:31:04,080 --> 02:31:05,359
» you were a school teacher, right, Miss

3428
02:31:05,359 --> 02:31:07,760
Rice? School teacher, librarian.

3429
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:08,640
>> No.

3430
02:31:08,640 --> 02:31:10,240
You told me that I should be reading

3431
02:31:10,240 --> 02:31:10,640
to

3432
02:31:10,640 --> 02:31:12,640
>> Yes. Yeah. But yeah, I mean,

3433
02:31:12,640 --> 02:31:14,479
>> I'd listen to you talk about anything.

3434
02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:16,160
>> You

3435
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:17,840
Okay.

3436
02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:21,910
>> Thanks.

3437
02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:23,520
» I'm going to take a different approach.

3438
02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:25,840
My name's Barbie Franc. What was

3439
02:31:25,840 --> 02:31:26,640
>> the last name? I'm sorry.

3440
02:31:26,640 --> 02:31:31,280
>> Franc F R O N K. I live Well, let me

3441
02:31:31,280 --> 02:31:33,200
start from the beginning. I was born and

3442
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:34,800
raised right here in Putham County at

3443
02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:36,640
one of the most prominent sites where

3444
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:38,640
the first Putham County bus garage was

3445
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:41,200
ever built. My grandfather was the first

3446
02:31:41,200 --> 02:31:44,319
head bus mechanic. I come from a

3447
02:31:44,319 --> 02:31:48,000
established Putinham County family.

3448
02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:51,040
I've grown up, moved out, lived away,

3449
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:54,160
was really, really, really, really happy

3450
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:56,800
and proud to find a piece of property

3451
02:31:56,800 --> 02:32:00,080
back in Putnham County. July 9th last

3452
02:32:00,080 --> 02:32:03,520
year, my husband and I purchased a flat

3453
02:32:03,520 --> 02:32:06,399
little piece of property, 33 Ida Street,

3454
02:32:06,399 --> 02:32:09,600
right across from Miss Melanie Lacy.

3455
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:11,840
Was so excited.

3456
02:32:11,840 --> 02:32:13,840
My husband

3457
02:32:13,840 --> 02:32:15,359
is

3458
02:32:15,359 --> 02:32:17,520
has some health issues. He's battled

3459
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:20,160
cancer twice

3460
02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:22,240
and we're in the process of finding out

3461
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:24,319
if he has Parkinson. So, this was a

3462
02:32:24,319 --> 02:32:26,479
blessing in disguise to find this flat

3463
02:32:26,479 --> 02:32:29,120
piece of property with an open floor

3464
02:32:29,120 --> 02:32:32,000
plan where I can keep him safe and I can

3465
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:33,840
have emergency crews come in and get him

3466
02:32:33,840 --> 02:32:36,800
if I have to because he has had to be

3467
02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:39,359
rescued twice in the property we live in

3468
02:32:39,359 --> 02:32:42,160
at Milton and they had a hard time

3469
02:32:42,160 --> 02:32:44,479
getting up and down those 13 steps and

3470
02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:48,080
through our tiny little hallway.

3471
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:51,600
So, this is huge to us. Right after

3472
02:32:51,600 --> 02:32:53,840
purchasing this property that we're so

3473
02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:56,960
excited about,

3474
02:32:56,960 --> 02:33:00,960
Melanie came out and told us about HB2

3475
02:33:00,960 --> 02:33:04,000
2014 in the data center.

3476
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:05,840
And you saw the pictures of the front of

3477
02:33:05,840 --> 02:33:08,640
my property that's already flooding

3478
02:33:08,640 --> 02:33:11,280
every time

3479
02:33:11,280 --> 02:33:15,650
we have any any water. So, my fear is,

3480
02:33:15,650 --> 02:33:17,280
[clears throat]

3481
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:18,880
are we going to get flooded out as soon

3482
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:20,960
as we move in? We haven't even been able

3483
02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:22,960
to move in yet. We are in the middle of

3484
02:33:22,960 --> 02:33:25,359
a rehab

3485
02:33:25,359 --> 02:33:27,280
that ought to be completed in the next

3486
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:29,040
couple of months.

3487
02:33:29,040 --> 02:33:31,760
My question,

3488
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:35,200
because this is very personal to me, is

3489
02:33:35,200 --> 02:33:38,319
what can we as a community, as a group

3490
02:33:38,319 --> 02:33:42,319
do to get behind you all to help us

3491
02:33:42,319 --> 02:33:49,750
pursue some of these answers?

3492
02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:52,800
» I mean, the legislative session that

3493
02:33:52,800 --> 02:33:54,080
will be coming up will be very

3494
02:33:54,080 --> 02:33:55,760
important.

3495
02:33:55,760 --> 02:33:58,560
um regarding House Bill 2014, whether

3496
02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:02,240
any changes are made to it. Um you know,

3497
02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:06,399
we are evaluating the legal uh aspect of

3498
02:34:06,399 --> 02:34:10,160
things. Um that's that is difficult to

3499
02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:13,280
get that uh proper feedback again

3500
02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:14,479
because we don't want to waste county

3501
02:34:14,479 --> 02:34:16,479
dollars in hiring an attorney and and

3502
02:34:16,479 --> 02:34:18,880
going through that process. U but

3503
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:20,640
working with some other counties in the

3504
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:23,359
state that are affected and and looking

3505
02:34:23,359 --> 02:34:28,720
at the same thing. um to determine if it

3506
02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:31,439
is legitimate or if it can be overturned

3507
02:34:31,439 --> 02:34:33,439
in court. Um

3508
02:34:33,439 --> 02:34:34,080
>> thank you

3509
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:37,840
>> seeking that feedback. Um but I mean you

3510
02:34:37,840 --> 02:34:39,920
know you're showing us now you're coming

3511
02:34:39,920 --> 02:34:42,640
out you're you're you're showing us that

3512
02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:45,120
the issues I I think from your personal

3513
02:34:45,120 --> 02:34:48,800
issue with storm water. Um and I I have

3514
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:50,640
already relayed the message that the

3515
02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:53,520
website wasn't responding uh properly

3516
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:55,680
and got a message back that that has

3517
02:34:55,680 --> 02:34:57,920
been realized and and so responses

3518
02:34:57,920 --> 02:35:00,720
should be coming uh in in the next day

3519
02:35:00,720 --> 02:35:03,840
or so. But get on the website, you know,

3520
02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:06,399
make your uh requests of information and

3521
02:35:06,399 --> 02:35:08,800
how it is going to directly impact you

3522
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:11,200
because it will directly impact you.

3523
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:11,840
>> Um

3524
02:35:11,840 --> 02:35:13,439
>> because they're going to build that up.

3525
02:35:13,439 --> 02:35:13,760
>> Yes,

3526
02:35:13,760 --> 02:35:16,800
>> we already have water issues. I'm sorry

3527
02:35:16,800 --> 02:35:19,520
this number you used to get all of this

3528
02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:21,680
>> the I I contacted our development

3529
02:35:21,680 --> 02:35:24,560
authority director

3530
02:35:24,560 --> 02:35:26,399
>> um but

3531
02:35:26,399 --> 02:35:28,880
>> but yes that's that's what I would

3532
02:35:28,880 --> 02:35:32,080
suggest is um and then if you aren't

3533
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:34,479
getting answers then that come back to

3534
02:35:34,479 --> 02:35:37,200
us and and we will try to help you get

3535
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:38,640
the answers you seek.

3536
02:35:38,640 --> 02:35:40,399
>> Okay. Thank you.

3537
02:35:40,399 --> 02:35:44,982
>> Thank you.

3538
02:35:44,992 --> 02:35:47,990
» [applause]

3539
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:49,600
» Hello commissioners. Christopher

3540
02:35:49,600 --> 02:35:53,200
Pototts. My mom is a mccosland. Um we've

3541
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:56,319
been in Ply for six generations now. Uh

3542
02:35:56,319 --> 02:35:59,200
hopefully a seventh. We would love that.

3543
02:35:59,200 --> 02:36:01,600
Um just kind of like an update on AI,

3544
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:03,280
it's recent discoveries, what's going

3545
02:36:03,280 --> 02:36:05,200
on. I feel like sometimes we get lost

3546
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:06,479
and we don't really know what we're

3547
02:36:06,479 --> 02:36:09,359
supporting. Um so somebody said like is

3548
02:36:09,359 --> 02:36:11,439
there research on AI? There's not

3549
02:36:11,439 --> 02:36:13,680
research on data centers, but there's

3550
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:15,120
research on the effects that the data

3551
02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:18,960
centers give out. So, for example, um do

3552
02:36:18,960 --> 02:36:20,880
data centers create light pollution and

3553
02:36:20,880 --> 02:36:23,120
do data centers create noise pollution

3554
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:27,760
and sound pollution, um air pollution? I

3555
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:30,080
did a search on air pollution alone and

3556
02:36:30,080 --> 02:36:33,439
like 3,000 studies come up. Um I started

3557
02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:35,920
the study with Marshall um

3558
02:36:35,920 --> 02:36:38,560
overwhelmingly saying that uh air

3559
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:40,720
pollution causes AIB atrial

3560
02:36:40,720 --> 02:36:43,120
fibrillation. Um it's when one of your

3561
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:44,880
atria and your heart cannot fully

3562
02:36:44,880 --> 02:36:47,439
contract to expel blood to the body. Um

3563
02:36:47,439 --> 02:36:49,040
just think when you think of aphib just

3564
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:51,760
think of clots going to the brain. Um

3565
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:53,120
when you think of clots going to the

3566
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:56,640
brain we call it a stroke. Um so anyone

3567
02:36:56,640 --> 02:36:59,040
who is exposed to light pollution, noise

3568
02:36:59,040 --> 02:37:00,880
pollution, air pollution is increasing

3569
02:37:00,880 --> 02:37:03,920
the risk for stroke baseline. Um so we

3570
02:37:03,920 --> 02:37:06,240
can't say data centers cause this but we

3571
02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:09,200
know data centers do indirectly. Um so

3572
02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:11,680
by the process of elimination that is

3573
02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:14,880
genuine research that should support the

3574
02:37:14,880 --> 02:37:17,200
impact of a data center. Um that we

3575
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:18,880
don't have those longitudinal trials yet

3576
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:20,880
that will come.

3577
02:37:20,880 --> 02:37:24,880
um some general AI advancement things.

3578
02:37:24,880 --> 02:37:26,399
You tal you talked about like the

3579
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:28,960
difference between Google versus

3580
02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:32,560
developing AI. Um so the thing is I'll

3581
02:37:32,560 --> 02:37:34,240
use an example of a company. Have you

3582
02:37:34,240 --> 02:37:35,920
heard of Claude?

3583
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:36,560
>> Claude.

3584
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:38,880
>> So I've heard so there's like three big

3585
02:37:38,880 --> 02:37:41,840
runners in AI right now. It's Chat GBT

3586
02:37:41,840 --> 02:37:44,640
that's open AI collude which is ran by

3587
02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:46,720
someone called Anthropic and then

3588
02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:49,200
there's Google's Gemini. These three

3589
02:37:49,200 --> 02:37:51,439
models are running against each other.

3590
02:37:51,439 --> 02:37:53,280
So Claude's model has only been

3591
02:37:53,280 --> 02:37:56,240
collecting data on us since 2021.

3592
02:37:56,240 --> 02:37:59,040
Um, and on June 11th of this year, they

3593
02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:01,359
released a new version of their AI. It's

3594
02:38:01,359 --> 02:38:05,840
called Fable 5. Within 24 hours, Fable 5

3595
02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:08,640
unearthed uh public records that were

3596
02:38:08,640 --> 02:38:10,880
supposed to be uh confiscated or

3597
02:38:10,880 --> 02:38:13,600
supposed to be um withheld by the

3598
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:15,280
government, government information,

3599
02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:17,760
national security information. Um, and

3600
02:38:17,760 --> 02:38:19,359
then the government put out a directive

3601
02:38:19,359 --> 02:38:22,319
to suspend the new versions. Um, so I

3602
02:38:22,319 --> 02:38:26,399
talked like a few months ago saying that was imminent and it happened in

3603
02:38:26,399 --> 02:38:28,000
Mexico and now it's happening on US

3604
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:31,120
soil. Uh, that is with only data

3605
02:38:31,120 --> 02:38:35,200
collected since 2021 on us. I think that

3606
02:38:35,200 --> 02:38:37,120
Google's more dangerous. They've been

3607
02:38:37,120 --> 02:38:38,800
collecting data on us since the

3608
02:38:38,800 --> 02:38:40,960
beginning of the Google era. You've all

3609
02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:42,560
used Google to do your search engine

3610
02:38:42,560 --> 02:38:45,120
strategies for a long time now. Um so

3611
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:46,800
maybe they have more sanctions but they

3612
02:38:46,800 --> 02:38:49,120
have more data to utilize and I think

3613
02:38:49,120 --> 02:38:52,240
their model will come up stronger. Um by

3614
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:53,760
the time this thing is completed we'll

3615
02:38:53,760 --> 02:38:56,399
have no idea what it's capable of. So

3616
02:38:56,399 --> 02:39:00,399
let alone the financial impacts the um

3617
02:39:00,399 --> 02:39:02,319
the AI will be so far advanced. What is

3618
02:39:02,319 --> 02:39:04,720
it 8 years it will be built?

3619
02:39:04,720 --> 02:39:06,240
>> Uh yeah I think it's a well I think it's

3620
02:39:06,240 --> 02:39:07,680
a 10 to 12 year build is

3621
02:39:07,680 --> 02:39:09,280
>> 10 to 12 year build. We didn't even know

3622
02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:10,960
what it was capable of in June.

3623
02:39:10,960 --> 02:39:12,880
>> Right. So, and there there was a

3624
02:39:12,880 --> 02:39:16,000
government directive within 24 hours to

3625
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:18,720
suspend that from public use. So, these

3626
02:39:18,720 --> 02:39:20,240
AI data centers we're not even going to

3627
02:39:20,240 --> 02:39:21,439
be able to use. It's going to be

3628
02:39:21,439 --> 02:39:22,960
governments.

3629
02:39:22,960 --> 02:39:26,319
Um, I asked last time I stood up here

3630
02:39:26,319 --> 02:39:30,000
and talked, what has been done to

3631
02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:32,240
alleviate or to reassure us that other

3632
02:39:32,240 --> 02:39:33,680
data centers are not going to come after

3633
02:39:33,680 --> 02:39:34,479
this one?

3634
02:39:34,479 --> 02:39:36,880
>> None. And that's that's my biggest

3635
02:39:36,880 --> 02:39:40,960
concern is um you know again you only

3636
02:39:40,960 --> 02:39:42,880
have so many sites I think that they can

3637
02:39:42,880 --> 02:39:45,200
locate but we do have other sites that

3638
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:51,280
they can locate. So um I think that's probably the the biggest concern

3639
02:39:51,280 --> 02:39:52,399
is

3640
02:39:52,399 --> 02:39:54,160
>> um and and I understand your concerns

3641
02:39:54,160 --> 02:39:55,280
with

3642
02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:57,920
>> Google whether it's built in Buffalo or

3643
02:39:57,920 --> 02:39:59,680
whether it's built somewhere else. you

3644
02:39:59,680 --> 02:40:01,600
still have those AI concerns and and

3645
02:40:01,600 --> 02:40:03,280
what AI is going to be, what AI is going

3646
02:40:03,280 --> 02:40:07,280
to do, but uh I'm more uh focused and

3647
02:40:07,280 --> 02:40:10,399
concerned on what other companies would

3648
02:40:10,399 --> 02:40:12,720
try to, you know, cuz we are the

3649
02:40:12,720 --> 02:40:14,240
proximity to the Canal River, the

3650
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:17,120
proximity to the 756 AP transmission

3651
02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:17,600
line.

3652
02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:18,160
>> Mhm.

3653
02:40:18,160 --> 02:40:20,640
>> That that is enticing for one of these

3654
02:40:20,640 --> 02:40:22,479
developer data centers or or another

3655
02:40:22,479 --> 02:40:24,880
company to come behind it um if it's

3656
02:40:24,880 --> 02:40:27,680
able to acquire the land uh to to do the

3657
02:40:27,680 --> 02:40:30,240
same thing. Um, and with House Bill

3658
02:40:30,240 --> 02:40:34,319
2014, we'd have no say. So, the the site

3659
02:40:34,319 --> 02:40:36,880
that Google has acquired, again, wasn't

3660
02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:38,800
zoned. There could be other areas that

3661
02:40:38,800 --> 02:40:42,399
are zoned. Um, and we, as a county

3662
02:40:42,399 --> 02:40:44,160
commission, if House Bill 2014 didn't

3663
02:40:44,160 --> 02:40:46,240
exist, we could deny the resoning

3664
02:40:46,240 --> 02:40:49,200
request. Um, but if House Bill 2014

3665
02:40:49,200 --> 02:40:52,846
still in effect, we have no control.

3666
02:40:52,846 --> 02:40:53,040
[clears throat]

3667
02:40:53,040 --> 02:40:55,920
>> So, what can you do to say some place is

3668
02:40:55,920 --> 02:40:57,280
going to get developed? What can you do

3669
02:40:57,280 --> 02:40:59,920
to negotiate for it to be something else

3670
02:40:59,920 --> 02:41:01,439
than a data center?

3671
02:41:01,439 --> 02:41:02,640
>> Nothing.

3672
02:41:02,640 --> 02:41:03,040
>> Yeah.

3673
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:03,520
>> Okay.

3674
02:41:03,520 --> 02:41:05,359
>> Yeah. I mean, the only the only options

3675
02:41:05,359 --> 02:41:07,600
are House Bill 2014 gets changed or we

3676
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:08,640
sue the state.

3677
02:41:08,640 --> 02:41:09,680
>> Mhm.

3678
02:41:09,680 --> 02:41:11,840
>> Okay. Have you considered it? I know you

3679
02:41:11,840 --> 02:41:12,319
said yes.

3680
02:41:12,319 --> 02:41:14,080
>> Yes. Yes. We've talked to M County who's

3681
02:41:14,080 --> 02:41:17,280
also considering it. Um it is a

3682
02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:19,359
extremely uphill battle.

3683
02:41:19,359 --> 02:41:22,240
>> Um but not not to say it's not worth

3684
02:41:22,240 --> 02:41:26,240
taking on. Um but it's something that we

3685
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:28,080
want to evaluate and be sure of before

3686
02:41:28,080 --> 02:41:31,120
we would go through a very long process

3687
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:32,800
that

3688
02:41:32,800 --> 02:41:36,080
by the time you get results uh there

3689
02:41:36,080 --> 02:41:38,160
might be Google would be built and

3690
02:41:38,160 --> 02:41:40,640
something else may be built but and not

3691
02:41:40,640 --> 02:41:43,439
to discredit that it's not worthy but it

3692
02:41:43,439 --> 02:41:44,960
would be an uphill battle from our

3693
02:41:44,960 --> 02:41:46,960
initial research.

3694
02:41:46,960 --> 02:41:49,280
>> When you visited in New Albany did they

3695
02:41:49,280 --> 02:41:50,800
tell you the jobs that would persist

3696
02:41:50,800 --> 02:41:52,800
after the data center was complete?

3697
02:41:52,800 --> 02:41:54,160
Yeah. So, I mean, there were six units

3698
02:41:54,160 --> 02:41:56,640
up and running. Um, there was only one

3699
02:41:56,640 --> 02:41:58,880
under construction and there were 800

3700
02:41:58,880 --> 02:42:00,640
daily workers there. Um,

3701
02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:02,560
>> 800 programmers or

3702
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:04,720
>> No, they were doing logistics, uh,

3703
02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:06,319
security. Um,

3704
02:42:06,319 --> 02:42:09,120
>> so 800 people guarding this place.

3705
02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:10,960
>> Uh, I mean, you had a you had a

3706
02:42:10,960 --> 02:42:13,920
lunchroom that was you had 50 people

3707
02:42:13,920 --> 02:42:16,240
working in the lunchroom u for for the

3708
02:42:16,240 --> 02:42:17,280
workers. Mhm.

3709
02:42:17,280 --> 02:42:20,399
>> Um but they you they had 400 Google

3710
02:42:20,399 --> 02:42:22,000
employees on site that were actual

3711
02:42:22,000 --> 02:42:23,760
Google W2 employees

3712
02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:26,399
>> and then you had 400 contracted services

3713
02:42:26,399 --> 02:42:28,560
that were day-to-day workers and then

3714
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:31,120
you had about 800 uh trades people that

3715
02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:33,359
were working building the seventh unit

3716
02:42:33,359 --> 02:42:35,600
in that area and it was surrounded by it

3717
02:42:35,600 --> 02:42:37,200
wasn't an industrial park and it was

3718
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:39,520
surrounded by three other data centers.

3719
02:42:39,520 --> 02:42:43,760
I think there was a meta data center and a couple other on this large

3720
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:46,000
industrial park area. So, was there like

3721
02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:47,680
400 desks or where are these people

3722
02:42:47,680 --> 02:42:48,800
going to work? Do they just

3723
02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:50,479
>> Yeah, there was a lot of office space.

3724
02:42:50,479 --> 02:42:52,160
Um, a lot of conference room, meeting

3725
02:42:52,160 --> 02:42:55,359
rooms. Um, and then you could tell a lot

3726
02:42:55,359 --> 02:42:57,520
were in logistics that were, you know,

3727
02:42:57,520 --> 02:43:00,399
constantly on the move and and it it was

3728
02:43:00,399 --> 02:43:02,560
about a 700 acre site.

3729
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:04,560
>> So, a lot of movement.

3730
02:43:04,560 --> 02:43:06,560
>> Okay. So, why why do you feel that

3731
02:43:06,560 --> 02:43:08,160
Google's better than the next one that

3732
02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:10,560
can come? So

3733
02:43:10,560 --> 02:43:12,800
like in Mason County, what we've seen

3734
02:43:12,800 --> 02:43:14,720
from the beginning of that where that's

3735
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:18,160
a uh um almost like a private equity uh

3736
02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:21,280
type firm that's still raising money.

3737
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:25,439
>> Uh Google has money, has capital, um has

3738
02:43:25,439 --> 02:43:29,439
shown the ability to to use it. Um

3739
02:43:29,439 --> 02:43:31,120
again, I know that they were going to

3740
02:43:31,120 --> 02:43:32,640
make money at the end of the day. I

3741
02:43:32,640 --> 02:43:34,160
mean, that's their whole goal. They made

3742
02:43:34,160 --> 02:43:35,920
$400 billion last year.

3743
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:36,479
>> Mhm.

3744
02:43:36,479 --> 02:43:38,640
>> But, you know, they're going through the

3745
02:43:38,640 --> 02:43:40,160
county permitting process and paying

3746
02:43:40,160 --> 02:43:42,080
fees that they don't have to pay to the

3747
02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:44,479
county. Um,

3748
02:43:44,479 --> 02:43:46,319
and it just seems like they have the

3749
02:43:46,319 --> 02:43:47,760
capital and the intent and they're going

3750
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:49,520
to be the end user. When you see these

3751
02:43:49,520 --> 02:43:50,960
developmental data centers, you see

3752
02:43:50,960 --> 02:43:52,720
somebody come in and again they're going

3753
02:43:52,720 --> 02:43:54,560
to build it hoping someone will come.

3754
02:43:54,560 --> 02:43:56,240
They're not the end user. So, if they

3755
02:43:56,240 --> 02:44:00,640
take shortcuts during construction or, you know, try to try to get by or

3756
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:04,479
around that. And again, I'm not I'm not

3757
02:44:04,479 --> 02:44:08,240
fully on board saying that, you know, thank goodness Google is

3758
02:44:08,240 --> 02:44:10,960
coming. I'm saying thank goodness for my

3759
02:44:10,960 --> 02:44:13,279
research that if we have a data center

3760
02:44:13,279 --> 02:44:14,640
that it is Google.

3761
02:44:14,640 --> 02:44:17,520
>> Yeah. Thank you for pointing out that

3762
02:44:17,520 --> 02:44:20,000
these other centers are corrupt because

3763
02:44:20,000 --> 02:44:21,840
I promise you Google will be selling our

3764
02:44:21,840 --> 02:44:24,640
data to those places and they they will

3765
02:44:24,640 --> 02:44:26,399
be misusing it.

3766
02:44:26,399 --> 02:44:28,800
>> I don't credit the end use of it. and

3767
02:44:28,800 --> 02:44:30,399
the end use is going to happen whether

3768
02:44:30,399 --> 02:44:32,080
they build in Buffalo or they build

3769
02:44:32,080 --> 02:44:34,720
anywhere else uh because they've got so

3770
02:44:34,720 --> 02:44:37,680
many data centers now that um they're

3771
02:44:37,680 --> 02:44:39,600
it's going to locate somewhere. So I

3772
02:44:39,600 --> 02:44:41,520
don't discredit the inuse and AI and

3773
02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:42,960
where we're going and and the scariness

3774
02:44:42,960 --> 02:44:45,840
of this. I fully grasp that and

3775
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:50,000
understand that and and um maybe not so

3776
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:52,319
much for my generation but for for yours

3777
02:44:52,319 --> 02:44:54,399
and I've got children your age uh their

3778
02:44:54,399 --> 02:44:56,319
generation of how AI is going to affect

3779
02:44:56,319 --> 02:44:58,800
their life. I I get that 100%.

3780
02:44:58,800 --> 02:45:01,279
>> Uh but as my job as county commissioner,

3781
02:45:01,279 --> 02:45:06,560
I'm more focused on the development in the county and on site and how that

3782
02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:08,000
affects the community.

3783
02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:08,880
>> Okay.

3784
02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:10,240
>> Yeah. Thank Well, thank you for

3785
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:13,279
listening. Uh just I I really want to

3786
02:45:13,279 --> 02:45:14,720
encourage you to consider how we can

3787
02:45:14,720 --> 02:45:17,279
protect from future data centers and

3788
02:45:17,279 --> 02:45:19,680
encourage you to think about behind

3789
02:45:19,680 --> 02:45:21,680
these decisions. Just because someone

3790
02:45:21,680 --> 02:45:23,680
will build it elsewhere doesn't mean

3791
02:45:23,680 --> 02:45:25,520
that we should sacrifice our morals to

3792
02:45:25,520 --> 02:45:26,720
build it here.

3793
02:45:26,720 --> 02:45:28,640
I'm a third-year medical student and I

3794
02:45:28,640 --> 02:45:31,359
will use a different example. Um, just

3795
02:45:31,359 --> 02:45:34,479
because someone else will perform

3796
02:45:34,479 --> 02:45:36,720
abortions does not mean as a

3797
02:45:36,720 --> 02:45:39,840
practitioner of medicine I have to.

3798
02:45:39,840 --> 02:45:41,760
>> So take that into consideration with

3799
02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:44,000
your morals wherever you go and whatever

3800
02:45:44,000 --> 02:45:45,920
you apply that to. Thank you so much

3801
02:45:45,920 --> 02:45:46,240
guys.

3802
02:45:46,240 --> 02:45:50,210
>> Thank you.

3803
02:45:50,220 --> 02:45:52,389
[applause]

3804
02:45:52,399 --> 02:45:53,520
» I guess it's me.

3805
02:45:53,520 --> 02:45:54,720
>> Yep.

3806
02:45:54,720 --> 02:45:58,319
My name is Alex Cole. I live on a farm

3807
02:45:58,319 --> 02:45:59,760
that's been in my family for six

3808
02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:02,240
generations up on Dun Levy Ridge, right

3809
02:46:02,240 --> 02:46:05,120
across from the data center proposal.

3810
02:46:05,120 --> 02:46:08,720
Six generations over 200 years.

3811
02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:10,319
Fought tooth and nail like everybody

3812
02:46:10,319 --> 02:46:12,160
else here to make a living in West

3813
02:46:12,160 --> 02:46:15,520
Virginia and keep that legacy alive. I'm

3814
02:46:15,520 --> 02:46:17,600
a little worked up and I hesitated to

3815
02:46:17,600 --> 02:46:21,600
speak because AP came calling today

3816
02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:24,479
looking to steal if we don't sell to

3817
02:46:24,479 --> 02:46:28,000
them four new 200t wide riderways from

3818
02:46:28,000 --> 02:46:30,000
the existing power line that you've

3819
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:31,760
already mentioned. That power line

3820
02:46:31,760 --> 02:46:33,680
crosses our farm. It was stolen from us

3821
02:46:33,680 --> 02:46:36,160
then. We did not agree to sell it. They

3822
02:46:36,160 --> 02:46:38,800
are looking to branch four off of that

3823
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:41,200
one from each tower specifically to fund

3824
02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:43,520
the data center and brought up imminent

3825
02:46:43,520 --> 02:46:45,600
domain. And the very first conversation

3826
02:46:45,600 --> 02:46:47,439
we had,

3827
02:46:47,439 --> 02:46:48,960
so

3828
02:46:48,960 --> 02:46:51,680
some of the other land owners between

3829
02:46:51,680 --> 02:46:53,359
the power line and the data center are

3830
02:46:53,359 --> 02:46:55,600
here tonight. Now we get to pit against

3831
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:56,960
each other. I don't want it. You don't

3832
02:46:56,960 --> 02:46:59,200
want it. I don't want it. It's

3833
02:46:59,200 --> 02:47:00,880
ridiculous that they can just steal this

3834
02:47:00,880 --> 02:47:02,640
land.

3835
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:04,399
I understand the government has

3836
02:47:04,399 --> 02:47:06,160
different branches and different

3837
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:08,560
delineations of duty and I'll yell at

3838
02:47:08,560 --> 02:47:11,200
the PSC about that, but I I had to bring

3839
02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:13,040
it up.

3840
02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:14,640
And I understand the county commission,

3841
02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:16,640
your main job, well, one of your main

3842
02:47:16,640 --> 02:47:19,200
jobs is zoning and planning here. And

3843
02:47:19,200 --> 02:47:20,880
I've heard you bring up this potential

3844
02:47:20,880 --> 02:47:24,160
lawsuit against HP 2014 several times. I

3845
02:47:24,160 --> 02:47:26,399
really hope you all do that. I know you

3846
02:47:26,399 --> 02:47:28,560
guys are all Republican. I I hear you

3847
02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:30,399
guys talk about small government. I

3848
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:31,680
don't know how you can stand there and

3849
02:47:31,680 --> 02:47:33,600
let the state government steal one of

3850
02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:36,160
your primary duties specifically for

3851
02:47:36,160 --> 02:47:39,760
this one thing obviously. But can all

3852
02:47:39,760 --> 02:47:41,920
three of you please come out publicly

3853
02:47:41,920 --> 02:47:45,359
against 2014 and big government stealing

3854
02:47:45,359 --> 02:47:47,760
your rights or your powers and by

3855
02:47:47,760 --> 02:47:50,399
extension our powers. Even if you don't

3856
02:47:50,399 --> 02:47:55,316
do the LAWSUIT

3857
02:47:55,326 --> 02:47:57,279
[applause] and please push that on your

3858
02:47:57,279 --> 02:47:59,760
own party that it's just ridiculous. You

3859
02:47:59,760 --> 02:48:01,200
can't stand up here and say you're small

3860
02:48:01,200 --> 02:48:02,960
government and then allow the state to

3861
02:48:02,960 --> 02:48:04,720
just strip your powers from local

3862
02:48:04,720 --> 02:48:06,160
control. And that's all I really have to

3863
02:48:06,160 --> 02:48:08,080
say. But I'd like to hear your all three

3864
02:48:08,080 --> 02:48:10,240
personal opinions on that if you don't

3865
02:48:10,240 --> 02:48:11,200
mind.

3866
02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:12,880
>> Yes or no about how

3867
02:48:12,880 --> 02:48:14,800
>> would you be willing before your next

3868
02:48:14,800 --> 02:48:17,120
election cycle to come out against HB

3869
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:19,279
2014 as individuals, not the county

3870
02:48:19,279 --> 02:48:19,840
commission?

3871
02:48:19,840 --> 02:48:21,840
>> Yeah. Well, I think that uh that can be

3872
02:48:21,840 --> 02:48:24,479
seen in the legislative session and and

3873
02:48:24,479 --> 02:48:27,600
I did go to the floor when House Bill

3874
02:48:27,600 --> 02:48:29,760
2014 was presented when it was uh before

3875
02:48:29,760 --> 02:48:33,279
the Senate. Um and and I'll I'll be

3876
02:48:33,279 --> 02:48:34,960
honest, at the time it was mostly about

3877
02:48:34,960 --> 02:48:38,399
tax dollars. Um it was I I I didn't know

3878
02:48:38,399 --> 02:48:40,160
anything about data centers at the time.

3879
02:48:40,160 --> 02:48:44,880
Um, and it was mostly about um, you

3880
02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:46,960
know, some local control and and not

3881
02:48:46,960 --> 02:48:51,680
having say, but if we're going to get it, why why should we take a haircut

3882
02:48:51,680 --> 02:48:54,240
on the money? Um, so I I was on the

3883
02:48:54,240 --> 02:48:56,640
floor at the Senate. Um, and I would

3884
02:48:56,640 --> 02:49:00,080
agree that uh, you know, we need to have

3885
02:49:00,080 --> 02:49:02,800
uh, um, those decisions should be made

3886
02:49:02,800 --> 02:49:05,411
locally. IT'S

3887
02:49:05,411 --> 02:49:08,710
[applause]

3888
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:10,960
I think my broader point was too it

3889
02:49:10,960 --> 02:49:12,880
doesn't just affect the legislators in

3890
02:49:12,880 --> 02:49:14,880
their elections. It affects yours too.

3891
02:49:14,880 --> 02:49:17,279
And I'm sure you already know that. So,

3892
02:49:17,279 --> 02:49:18,880
uh, as you can see from the support

3893
02:49:18,880 --> 02:49:20,720
tonight, I think you'd be better off

3894
02:49:20,720 --> 02:49:22,399
coming out against these in your own

3895
02:49:22,399 --> 02:49:25,062
elections. Thank you. Thank you.

3896
02:49:25,062 --> 02:49:31,269
[applause]

3897
02:49:31,279 --> 02:49:39,990
Anyone else? Ma'am,

3898
02:49:40,000 --> 02:49:42,479
» don't let those signs trip people now.

3899
02:49:42,479 --> 02:49:45,040
>> Well, yeah, we brought our signs. Um,

3900
02:49:45,040 --> 02:49:47,040
thank you all for having me and and

3901
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:49,359
letting us keep your time. I know you're

3902
02:49:49,359 --> 02:49:51,600
all tired as we are too. My name is

3903
02:49:51,600 --> 02:49:57,200
Janie Miles and I've spoken before. Um I just wanted to bring up the fact that

3904
02:49:57,200 --> 02:49:58,800
um when I was here the last time and you

3905
02:49:58,800 --> 02:50:00,960
all shared with us that you had taken a

3906
02:50:00,960 --> 02:50:03,600
kind of a field trip to Ohio to look at

3907
02:50:03,600 --> 02:50:05,600
the data centers and I want you to know

3908
02:50:05,600 --> 02:50:07,520
that we were appreciative of that effort

3909
02:50:07,520 --> 02:50:09,920
of you all uh and then for you to come

3910
02:50:09,920 --> 02:50:12,720
back and share what you had found out

3911
02:50:12,720 --> 02:50:18,560
because we were so much in the dark um

3912
02:50:18,560 --> 02:50:21,040
since then and that's been a few months

3913
02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:26,240
ago and and when this all first started, I had no idea what a data

3914
02:50:26,240 --> 02:50:27,680
center was. I just thought, well, it

3915
02:50:27,680 --> 02:50:30,319
sounds kind of good. She going to bring

3916
02:50:30,319 --> 02:50:32,080
some jobs and stuff. And now, now that

3917
02:50:32,080 --> 02:50:35,520
I've learned more and with all due

3918
02:50:35,520 --> 02:50:38,080
respect, what you brought back to give

3919
02:50:38,080 --> 02:50:41,840
us and was in hopes of massaging our

3920
02:50:41,840 --> 02:50:43,680
fears.

3921
02:50:43,680 --> 02:50:47,520
It didn't help. I mean, we're watching

3922
02:50:47,520 --> 02:50:50,080
the national news [clears throat] and

3923
02:50:50,080 --> 02:50:52,160
back in March and April, you didn't see

3924
02:50:52,160 --> 02:50:55,120
it on TV. You didn't hear about it. I

3925
02:50:55,120 --> 02:50:57,840
didn't I didn't until it started coming

3926
02:50:57,840 --> 02:50:59,920
to Buffalo. And then little by little,

3927
02:50:59,920 --> 02:51:02,160
we're hearing more. And I'm sure you all

3928
02:51:02,160 --> 02:51:05,600
see on TV every day now that states all

3929
02:51:05,600 --> 02:51:09,200
across this nation are facing the same

3930
02:51:09,200 --> 02:51:11,760
evil monstrosity that we're facing. And

3931
02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:14,000
I I feel like it's evil. It's affecting

3932
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:16,960
our lives and our homes. Not that it's

3933
02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:19,279
that you all. It's not your fault. We

3934
02:51:19,279 --> 02:51:23,040
realize that. But what we do hope with

3935
02:51:23,040 --> 02:51:24,720
the resolution that was presented to you

3936
02:51:24,720 --> 02:51:26,880
all tonight.

3937
02:51:26,880 --> 02:51:29,840
There are things that can be done.

3938
02:51:29,840 --> 02:51:32,240
People in other states are fighting and

3939
02:51:32,240 --> 02:51:34,479
they're winning. They're stopping these

3940
02:51:34,479 --> 02:51:36,560
things. They are putting bans on them,

3941
02:51:36,560 --> 02:51:39,840
moratoriums, just pausing long enough

3942
02:51:39,840 --> 02:51:42,399
for us to learn more about it to find

3943
02:51:42,399 --> 02:51:45,840
out what is the actual impacts

3944
02:51:45,840 --> 02:51:48,399
healthwise, environmentally, the whole

3945
02:51:48,399 --> 02:51:51,279
nine yards, jobs. Um, I'd love to have

3946
02:51:51,279 --> 02:51:52,800
my little grandson that was here. I'd

3947
02:51:52,800 --> 02:51:54,319
love to have him stay here and have a

3948
02:51:54,319 --> 02:51:57,439
good, productive life, but with with

3949
02:51:57,439 --> 02:51:58,960
these kinds, I just don't see it

3950
02:51:58,960 --> 02:52:02,399
happening. So with that being said, all

3951
02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:04,560
I would like to say is on behalf of

3952
02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:06,640
Putnham United and the citizens that

3953
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:11,439
have showed up here tonight, please, take a look at that resolution

3954
02:52:11,439 --> 02:52:13,680
and dig real hard in your hearts to see

3955
02:52:13,680 --> 02:52:16,399
that you can support us with that. It

3956
02:52:16,399 --> 02:52:19,294
can happen, but we need you all.

3957
02:52:19,294 --> 02:52:34,469
[applause]

3958
02:52:34,479 --> 02:52:36,000
My name is Ashley Armstrong. I'm from

3959
02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:39,359
Eleanor, West Virginia. My question is

3960
02:52:39,359 --> 02:52:42,479
concerning these unknown health risks. I

3961
02:52:42,479 --> 02:52:44,399
have learned personally that our health

3962
02:52:44,399 --> 02:52:48,000
system is not in good support. I started

3963
02:52:48,000 --> 02:52:50,960
here with a neurologist. She wasn't very

3964
02:52:50,960 --> 02:52:53,200
good. I went to Cleveland, saw three

3965
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:55,920
doctors there, moved to Wheeling, saw a

3966
02:52:55,920 --> 02:52:58,000
doctor there, came back home, finally

3967
02:52:58,000 --> 02:53:00,880
found a doctor that addressed my

3968
02:53:00,880 --> 02:53:04,160
concerns, which I got diagnosed with my

3969
02:53:04,160 --> 02:53:08,319
gravis. So essentially, my muscles can

3970
02:53:08,319 --> 02:53:11,680
just stop and so I can stop breathing.

3971
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:13,600
And with the pollution that's going to

3972
02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:15,680
come out of these data centers, that can

3973
02:53:15,680 --> 02:53:19,920
kill me. And I'm concerned about that.

3974
02:53:19,920 --> 02:53:21,920
And the other point is the whole reason

3975
02:53:21,920 --> 02:53:24,000
I found the neurologist I have is

3976
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:26,479
because my dad has multiple myoma. He

3977
02:53:26,479 --> 02:53:29,920
cannot walk now. He had a tumor on his

3978
02:53:29,920 --> 02:53:33,279
spine. And it also proves to me that

3979
02:53:33,279 --> 02:53:34,640
there was another woman down in

3980
02:53:34,640 --> 02:53:36,240
Huntington diagnosed with the same

3981
02:53:36,240 --> 02:53:39,120
cancer. It is a pretty rare cancer to

3982
02:53:39,120 --> 02:53:41,600
get. And if you look at all the kids

3983
02:53:41,600 --> 02:53:43,920
that have died here, it's been bone

3984
02:53:43,920 --> 02:53:45,920
cancers, it's been blood cancers, and

3985
02:53:45,920 --> 02:53:48,720
it's been brain cancers.

3986
02:53:48,720 --> 02:53:50,240
What other cancers are we going to bring

3987
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:54,160
in with these data centers? So, you as a

3988
02:53:54,160 --> 02:53:57,760
commission, how would you bring forth

3989
02:53:57,760 --> 02:54:00,160
medical experts that are going to

3990
02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:03,359
understand these difficulties and what

3991
02:54:03,359 --> 02:54:05,920
this society needs?

3992
02:54:05,920 --> 02:54:07,600
>> Yeah. Unfortunately, I don't have an

3993
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:10,240
answer for you. Um, and I've got just as

3994
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:14,800
much fear as you do um regarding that.

3995
02:54:14,800 --> 02:54:15,359
Okay.

3996
02:54:15,359 --> 02:54:15,920
>> Thank you.

3997
02:54:15,920 --> 02:54:17,851
THANK YOU.

3998
02:54:17,851 --> 02:54:23,269
>> [applause]

3999
02:54:23,279 --> 02:54:25,520
» I'M BECKY SCHULER FROM BLIMEY, West

4000
02:54:25,520 --> 02:54:29,439
Virginia, and I've been a wife, mother,

4001
02:54:29,439 --> 02:54:32,479
grandmother, librarian, and Sunday

4002
02:54:32,479 --> 02:54:35,120
school teacher for 42 years. My passion

4003
02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:38,640
is children. I fought Aptus incinerator

4004
02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:42,000
plant in Mason County, Parsons and

4005
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:43,520
Whitmore,

4006
02:54:43,520 --> 02:54:45,680
oat milk plant that wanted to come where

4007
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:49,760
new core is same spot because that was

4008
02:54:49,760 --> 02:54:52,640
not going to benefit West Virginia or

4009
02:54:52,640 --> 02:54:54,800
our children. And that is why I'm

4010
02:54:54,800 --> 02:54:57,120
against the data center. But everybody's

4011
02:54:57,120 --> 02:54:59,920
already said everything that I was going

4012
02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:03,120
to say today except I brought props

4013
02:55:03,120 --> 02:55:08,950
being a teacher and a sign

4014
02:55:08,960 --> 02:55:13,515
house bill 2014.

4015
02:55:13,525 --> 02:55:19,670
[applause]

4016
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:21,840
It's unconstitutional.

4017
02:55:21,840 --> 02:55:24,319
And you heard them. Our only recourse is

4018
02:55:24,319 --> 02:55:26,720
to go to the legislature. So everyone

4019
02:55:26,720 --> 02:55:30,640
here be there because this needs to be

4020
02:55:30,640 --> 02:55:33,439
stripped. It needs to be done away with

4021
02:55:33,439 --> 02:55:37,279
because the reason I was able to help

4022
02:55:37,279 --> 02:55:39,600
with against the actus and we went to

4023
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:42,080
Coffeeville, Kansas to view their

4024
02:55:42,080 --> 02:55:44,399
incinerator plant which we did not need

4025
02:55:44,399 --> 02:55:48,479
here. But anyway, um the reason we were

4026
02:55:48,479 --> 02:55:51,200
able to stop those two from coming to

4027
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:54,240
our area was because they didn't have

4028
02:55:54,240 --> 02:55:55,840
2014.

4029
02:55:55,840 --> 02:56:00,640
We had a say and they listened to us.

4030
02:56:00,640 --> 02:56:03,439
And with this data center, we don't have

4031
02:56:03,439 --> 02:56:06,240
a say. And they don't have a say. Nobody

4032
02:56:06,240 --> 02:56:09,920
has a I tell you what, 250 years ago,

4033
02:56:09,920 --> 02:56:14,000
they had a Tea Party to stop THIS VERY

4034
02:56:14,000 --> 02:56:17,830
THING.

4035
02:56:17,840 --> 02:56:22,880
AND WE HAVE STEPPED back 270 years into

4036
02:56:22,880 --> 02:56:28,399
our time um with a a insidious House

4037
02:56:28,399 --> 02:56:32,240
Bill 2014. We lost rights and our

4038
02:56:32,240 --> 02:56:39,322
forefathers are ashamed of us.

4039
02:56:39,332 --> 02:56:42,150
» [applause]

4040
02:56:42,160 --> 02:56:44,880
» God bless our teachers and librarians.

4041
02:56:44,880 --> 02:56:46,080
They got the props.

4042
02:56:46,080 --> 02:56:46,800
>> Yes.

4043
02:56:46,800 --> 02:56:54,070
>> Anyone else like to make comment?

4044
02:56:54,080 --> 02:56:56,080
» Thank you, commissioners and staff for

4045
02:56:56,080 --> 02:56:59,040
your patience tonight. U just going to

4046
02:56:59,040 --> 02:57:01,279
hit the refresh uh button here for just

4047
02:57:01,279 --> 02:57:05,840
a moment. uh several months ago uh after

4048
02:57:05,840 --> 02:57:08,319
the uh

4049
02:57:08,319 --> 02:57:12,479
capital dropped the uh DC bomb on us in

4050
02:57:12,479 --> 02:57:16,880
March, Mike and I were here on a uh

4051
02:57:16,880 --> 02:57:20,800
Tuesday morning at one of these uh

4052
02:57:20,800 --> 02:57:22,399
stating our case, letting you know how

4053
02:57:22,399 --> 02:57:24,527
we felt about things. And Mike at

4054
02:57:24,527 --> 02:57:27,760
[clears throat] that time had uh offered

4055
02:57:27,760 --> 02:57:32,800
uh legal services to um challenge

4056
02:57:32,800 --> 02:57:35,840
uh HB 2014 because it's simply

4057
02:57:35,840 --> 02:57:37,359
unconstitutional.

4058
02:57:37,359 --> 02:57:39,279
We are the people. We have a right to

4059
02:57:39,279 --> 02:57:41,520
run our lives. And that's been taken

4060
02:57:41,520 --> 02:57:42,800
away from us. It's been taken away from

4061
02:57:42,800 --> 02:57:44,399
you and it's been taken away from all of

4062
02:57:44,399 --> 02:57:48,560
us. And uh and we felt like as county

4063
02:57:48,560 --> 02:57:49,920
commissioners, y'all had rolled over

4064
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:55,200
like the Titanic. And uh so Mike uh made

4065
02:57:55,200 --> 02:57:58,720
that proposal at that time and

4066
02:57:58,720 --> 02:58:01,680
uh Mr. Ellis there said, "Well, we you

4067
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:03,920
know, we're not uh thinking about that.

4068
02:58:03,920 --> 02:58:05,359
We're not going down those terms. We

4069
02:58:05,359 --> 02:58:08,000
have tens of thousands of citizens to uh

4070
02:58:08,000 --> 02:58:10,479
consider in these things." And uh and

4071
02:58:10,479 --> 02:58:12,000
that was easy to say when it was just

4072
02:58:12,000 --> 02:58:17,680
two or three of us here that morning uh making the case. This evening, you

4073
02:58:17,680 --> 02:58:22,240
have a room full of citizens that don't

4074
02:58:22,240 --> 02:58:25,439
want these things. These data centers

4075
02:58:25,439 --> 02:58:28,240
are parasites. They're going to take our

4076
02:58:28,240 --> 02:58:30,399
land. They're going to take our water.

4077
02:58:30,399 --> 02:58:32,319
They're going to take our power and give

4078
02:58:32,319 --> 02:58:35,040
us almost nothing in return as a people.

4079
02:58:35,040 --> 02:58:37,279
Yeah. Uh

4080
02:58:37,279 --> 02:58:38,479
Charleston's going to get money and

4081
02:58:38,479 --> 02:58:40,399
they'll be able to spread it out, but

4082
02:58:40,399 --> 02:58:42,800
very few dollars are ever going to help

4083
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:46,000
anybody in this room. And so it's a

4084
02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:48,479
parasite and we don't need it. We don't

4085
02:58:48,479 --> 02:58:50,319
want it. We didn't elect it. We didn't

4086
02:58:50,319 --> 02:58:52,399
vote for it. We didn't have a say in it.

4087
02:58:52,399 --> 02:58:55,840
And uh and I am very happy to to uh hear

4088
02:58:55,840 --> 02:58:59,040
tonight uh that you are considering that

4089
02:58:59,040 --> 02:59:00,160
because [clears throat] several months

4090
02:59:00,160 --> 02:59:02,160
ago that wasn't even an option. And now

4091
02:59:02,160 --> 02:59:04,960
you are thinking about that.

4092
02:59:04,960 --> 02:59:09,600
Janie said that uh other communities

4093
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:12,800
have won battles. those communities won

4094
02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:16,640
battles because they had control.

4095
02:59:16,640 --> 02:59:19,279
Um I know Mr. Seisborn, you have said uh

4096
02:59:19,279 --> 02:59:22,160
time and again that 2014 has taken away

4097
02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:24,800
your right to do anything to have any

4098
02:59:24,800 --> 02:59:28,080
say in this. Um fight it. It's

4099
02:59:28,080 --> 02:59:30,160
unconstitutional. It's not legal. Stand

4100
02:59:30,160 --> 02:59:34,219
up to Charleston. UM

4101
02:59:34,219 --> 02:59:37,830
[applause]

4102
02:59:37,840 --> 02:59:40,880
at the same time at the same time we

4103
02:59:40,880 --> 02:59:45,680
need to remember that uh we are a

4104
02:59:45,680 --> 02:59:48,399
community. We live here and we don't

4105
02:59:48,399 --> 02:59:50,880
want we don't want that noise. We don't

4106
02:59:50,880 --> 02:59:54,319
want uh that pollution. We don't want

4107
02:59:54,319 --> 02:59:55,840
that [clears throat] closed loop system.

4108
02:59:55,840 --> 02:59:58,399
No loop loop system is ever entirely

4109
02:59:58,399 --> 03:00:00,640
closed. uh it's going some of that's

4110
03:00:00,640 --> 03:00:02,720
going to go back into our water system.

4111
03:00:02,720 --> 03:00:05,840
We need if if we can't stop this

4112
03:00:05,840 --> 03:00:08,720
particular data center, we need

4113
03:00:08,720 --> 03:00:11,200
guarantees. We need guarantees on the

4114
03:00:11,200 --> 03:00:12,560
water that's going to be put back into

4115
03:00:12,560 --> 03:00:14,880
the system. We need guarantees on how

4116
03:00:14,880 --> 03:00:16,560
much light they're going to produce, how

4117
03:00:16,560 --> 03:00:18,319
much noise those generators are going to

4118
03:00:18,319 --> 03:00:20,319
produce, how much pollution those

4119
03:00:20,319 --> 03:00:22,800
generators are going to uh produce. We

4120
03:00:22,800 --> 03:00:24,479
need guarantees. You talk to Chris

4121
03:00:24,479 --> 03:00:26,240
Morris, you talk, you look, you look at

4122
03:00:26,240 --> 03:00:28,000
their websites and all that stuff. It's

4123
03:00:28,000 --> 03:00:30,000
all general, you know, garbage. It

4124
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:32,160
doesn't say anything. You know, it

4125
03:00:32,160 --> 03:00:34,000
tickles your ears, but doesn't give any

4126
03:00:34,000 --> 03:00:37,755
factual backup. We need you guys as our

4127
03:00:37,755 --> 03:00:39,040
[clears throat] elected representatives,

4128
03:00:39,040 --> 03:00:41,920
as the people that are fighting for us,

4129
03:00:41,920 --> 03:00:43,680
the people,

4130
03:00:43,680 --> 03:00:45,920
to at least be looking at how you're

4131
03:00:45,920 --> 03:00:48,319
going to to help us if this thing comes

4132
03:00:48,319 --> 03:00:50,319
in. How are we going to be able to sleep

4133
03:00:50,319 --> 03:00:51,840
at night? How are we going to be able to

4134
03:00:51,840 --> 03:00:53,040
breathe? How are we gonna be able to

4135
03:00:53,040 --> 03:00:54,720
drink our water thinking that we're not

4136
03:00:54,720 --> 03:00:57,040
getting cancer? You guys got to do that

4137
03:00:57,040 --> 03:00:59,359
for us. These things are ugly. You know,

4138
03:00:59,359 --> 03:01:01,760
it's a parasite and [clears throat] then

4139
03:01:01,760 --> 03:01:03,680
15 years from now when this technology

4140
03:01:03,680 --> 03:01:06,479
is obsolete, who's going to clean it up?

4141
03:01:06,479 --> 03:01:08,000
We're going to clean it up like every

4142
03:01:08,000 --> 03:01:10,000
other mess that's left after people come

4143
03:01:10,000 --> 03:01:12,319
in and and rape and pillage our great

4144
03:01:12,319 --> 03:01:14,000
state.

4145
03:01:14,000 --> 03:01:16,080
It's not it's not being done right. So,

4146
03:01:16,080 --> 03:01:19,021
thank you very much.

4147
03:01:19,021 --> 03:01:20,080
[applause]

4148
03:01:20,080 --> 03:01:22,160
Anyone else like to make comment?

4149
03:01:22,160 --> 03:01:30,309
Charlie,

4150
03:01:30,319 --> 03:01:32,399
» commissioners, everybody that's here, I

4151
03:01:32,399 --> 03:01:33,760
won't take very long because I know

4152
03:01:33,760 --> 03:01:36,560
everybody's tired, but I just wanted to

4153
03:01:36,560 --> 03:01:39,680
say number one, um, Route 35 was

4154
03:01:39,680 --> 03:01:42,640
designed for a quick exchange from Taz

4155
03:01:42,640 --> 03:01:44,880
Valley to Ohio.

4156
03:01:44,880 --> 03:01:48,080
And um

4157
03:01:48,080 --> 03:01:50,560
I just you know like I say I've lived in

4158
03:01:50,560 --> 03:01:53,279
Fraser's Bottom all my life. I thought

4159
03:01:53,279 --> 03:01:56,319
the warehouse was bad that's coming

4160
03:01:56,319 --> 03:01:58,000
evidently.

4161
03:01:58,000 --> 03:02:01,520
Um but when I heard

4162
03:02:01,520 --> 03:02:05,279
what's going on with the data center,

4163
03:02:05,279 --> 03:02:07,279
I could not believe it. This is a

4164
03:02:07,279 --> 03:02:09,600
monster.

4165
03:02:09,600 --> 03:02:13,200
128 cooling towers,

4166
03:02:13,200 --> 03:02:15,680
184 acres of field dirt. They're going

4167
03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:18,479
to put in

4168
03:02:18,479 --> 03:02:21,520
this, like I say, and we are not

4169
03:02:21,520 --> 03:02:23,120
prepared.

4170
03:02:23,120 --> 03:02:26,160
The infrastructure is not prepared for

4171
03:02:26,160 --> 03:02:29,120
this. And this is another thing I found

4172
03:02:29,120 --> 03:02:34,479
out. Mason County, 2,300 acres

4173
03:02:34,479 --> 03:02:37,359
of data center,

4174
03:02:37,359 --> 03:02:41,600
1,700 acres in Putnham County. And if I

4175
03:02:41,600 --> 03:02:44,080
did my calculations right, we're less

4176
03:02:44,080 --> 03:02:47,600
than 30 miles from them.

4177
03:02:47,600 --> 03:02:50,880
Um, something's wrong.

4178
03:02:50,880 --> 03:02:52,479
You know, nobody's even mentioned the

4179
03:02:52,479 --> 03:02:54,960
bees, the honeybees.

4180
03:02:54,960 --> 03:02:56,880
they cannot

4181
03:02:56,880 --> 03:02:59,840
work if they cannot communicate with the

4182
03:02:59,840 --> 03:03:02,240
other bees.

4183
03:03:02,240 --> 03:03:06,469
Um,

4184
03:03:06,479 --> 03:03:10,640
and quantum technology

4185
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:14,240
has supposedly already been uh being

4186
03:03:14,240 --> 03:03:17,120
done with the cloud.

4187
03:03:17,120 --> 03:03:19,920
I just worry about what what is going to

4188
03:03:19,920 --> 03:03:22,240
do to

4189
03:03:22,240 --> 03:03:25,040
our county.

4190
03:03:25,040 --> 03:03:28,960
It is going to affect all of us. And

4191
03:03:28,960 --> 03:03:31,840
like I say that and we found out that

4192
03:03:31,840 --> 03:03:34,560
they call it a campus.

4193
03:03:34,560 --> 03:03:36,640
And you're thinking, "Oh gosh, that's a

4194
03:03:36,640 --> 03:03:38,319
campus.

4195
03:03:38,319 --> 03:03:41,359
It's got eight data different data

4196
03:03:41,359 --> 03:03:48,560
centers in it. Four miles by four miles. four by four miles. It's

4197
03:03:48,560 --> 03:03:51,920
a monster. And who's going to clean it

4198
03:03:51,920 --> 03:03:55,200
up when it's finished? The coal, it's

4199
03:03:55,200 --> 03:03:58,240
like the coal companies all over. But

4200
03:03:58,240 --> 03:04:00,000
now, and they picked West Virginia

4201
03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:02,240
because we're poor

4202
03:04:02,240 --> 03:04:06,080
and uh they know that we have bottom

4203
03:04:06,080 --> 03:04:08,160
land.

4204
03:04:08,160 --> 03:04:11,359
And I just feel like if you could do a

4205
03:04:11,359 --> 03:04:14,080
mortorium or whatever it's called

4206
03:04:14,080 --> 03:04:17,760
because technology

4207
03:04:17,760 --> 03:04:21,359
is moving at a pace that we need to

4208
03:04:21,359 --> 03:04:25,840
catch up some. Um and I just like I say

4209
03:04:25,840 --> 03:04:28,000
I'm I'm glad everybody's here tonight.

4210
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:30,880
Everybody's tired, but if we don't push

4211
03:04:30,880 --> 03:04:32,479
back,

4212
03:04:32,479 --> 03:04:34,560
we don't know what's coming. This is our

4213
03:04:34,560 --> 03:04:37,840
future. And I just can't understand

4214
03:04:37,840 --> 03:04:43,359
4,000 acres within less than 30 miles

4215
03:04:43,359 --> 03:04:45,600
from each other.

4216
03:04:45,600 --> 03:04:48,000
Please be involved and we've got to do

4217
03:04:48,000 --> 03:04:49,760
something. If anybody voted for that

4218
03:04:49,760 --> 03:04:52,720
House Bill 214, don't put him back in

4219
03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:56,720
office. Thank you. [applause]

4220
03:04:56,720 --> 03:04:59,600
One more thing.

4221
03:04:59,600 --> 03:05:05,750
Call the governor. 3045582000.

4222
03:05:05,760 --> 03:05:08,720
Call every day. Have your neighbor call.

4223
03:05:08,720 --> 03:05:12,080
We've got to do something and push back.

4224
03:05:12,080 --> 03:05:12,720
Thank you.

4225
03:05:12,720 --> 03:05:19,590
>> Thank you. [applause]

4226
03:05:19,600 --> 03:05:21,439
» Anyone else?

4227
03:05:21,439 --> 03:05:24,640
>> Hey, I have just one second. Um, I just

4228
03:05:24,640 --> 03:05:27,760
wanted to say in September, minutes in

4229
03:05:27,760 --> 03:05:30,479
um before an Indianapolis city council

4230
03:05:30,479 --> 03:05:33,680
was slated to reszone a proposal that

4231
03:05:33,680 --> 03:05:35,680
allowed Google to build a huge data

4232
03:05:35,680 --> 03:05:39,840
center on a 468 acre track of land. They

4233
03:05:39,840 --> 03:05:42,479
withdrew from the project because there

4234
03:05:42,479 --> 03:05:44,160
was enough opposition from the

4235
03:05:44,160 --> 03:05:48,720
community. So, it has been done. Um in

4236
03:05:48,720 --> 03:05:50,240
2015

4237
03:05:50,240 --> 03:05:56,160
in ciao uh Google has had and operated a

4238
03:05:56,160 --> 03:05:58,479
Google center there.

4239
03:05:58,479 --> 03:06:02,560
Um give me just one second.

4240
03:06:02,560 --> 03:06:06,080
In 2022 it was reported that the roughly

4241
03:06:06,080 --> 03:06:09,840
annual consumption was 8500.

4242
03:06:09,840 --> 03:06:13,760
it it had enough water consumption

4243
03:06:13,760 --> 03:06:21,120
to for 8,500 households every day that study showed. There's also another

4244
03:06:21,120 --> 03:06:24,720
study that showed just in as of in May

4245
03:06:24,720 --> 03:06:26,240
2026

4246
03:06:26,240 --> 03:06:31,760
97,000 job cuts were due to AI. That's

4247
03:06:31,760 --> 03:06:34,880
almost a 100,000 jobs just in one year

4248
03:06:34,880 --> 03:06:37,760
that we have lost that AI has replaced.

4249
03:06:37,760 --> 03:06:40,319
like it's not helping our economy. Yeah,

4250
03:06:40,319 --> 03:06:42,479
it might boost us up for a little bit.

4251
03:06:42,479 --> 03:06:44,800
It might put our coal miners back to

4252
03:06:44,800 --> 03:06:46,960
work for a few years until our

4253
03:06:46,960 --> 03:06:49,760
databilated mines fall down and kill one

4254
03:06:49,760 --> 03:06:53,920
of them because they John Amos needs to push out more coal for more

4255
03:06:53,920 --> 03:06:57,840
electricity. Um or we lose

4256
03:06:57,840 --> 03:07:02,000
stenographers, we lose um assistants, we

4257
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:04,399
lose telephone operators. Shoot, we've

4258
03:07:04,399 --> 03:07:06,800
lost the lady. Is AI now even at the

4259
03:07:06,800 --> 03:07:10,319
Taco Bell? 97,000 jobs. That's not

4260
03:07:10,319 --> 03:07:14,689
helping our country or our economy.

4261
03:07:14,689 --> 03:07:20,950
[applause]

4262
03:07:20,960 --> 03:07:24,080
Um this was also done by United Nations

4263
03:07:24,080 --> 03:07:26,640
study. So this is done on the world

4264
03:07:26,640 --> 03:07:30,399
globally globally. But furthermore, AI

4265
03:07:30,399 --> 03:07:35,600
infrastructure could generate up to 2.5

4266
03:07:35,600 --> 03:07:38,800
million tons of electric waste each year

4267
03:07:38,800 --> 03:07:42,240
by 2030. Much of it processed in

4268
03:07:42,240 --> 03:07:45,279
lowincome economies with limited

4269
03:07:45,279 --> 03:07:47,600
safeguards with critical minerals

4270
03:07:47,600 --> 03:07:50,240
extracted in jurisdictions with weak

4271
03:07:50,240 --> 03:07:52,560
environmental oversight. I think that's

4272
03:07:52,560 --> 03:07:54,720
what West Virginia is cuz that's the way

4273
03:07:54,720 --> 03:07:57,265
we've always been treated.

4274
03:07:57,265 --> 03:07:58,319
[snorts]

4275
03:07:58,319 --> 03:08:01,200
Um,

4276
03:08:01,200 --> 03:08:04,790
let's see.

4277
03:08:04,800 --> 03:08:09,120
I got one more here. And then in

4278
03:08:09,120 --> 03:08:11,439
California, Pittsburgh, California, the

4279
03:08:11,439 --> 03:08:14,160
Center of Biological Diversity sued the

4280
03:08:14,160 --> 03:08:16,800
city of Pittsburgh, California.

4281
03:08:16,800 --> 03:08:20,000
Um, this was written back in November.

4282
03:08:20,000 --> 03:08:22,080
It says for approving development

4283
03:08:22,080 --> 03:08:24,479
including a massive data center without

4284
03:08:24,479 --> 03:08:26,399
considering or planning for the

4285
03:08:26,399 --> 03:08:28,399
environmental effects including the

4286
03:08:28,399 --> 03:08:31,600
greenhouse gas emissions, water usage

4287
03:08:31,600 --> 03:08:33,760
and harms to wildlife and surrounding

4288
03:08:33,760 --> 03:08:37,040
wetlands. The project that was set there

4289
03:08:37,040 --> 03:08:39,279
was set on wetlands that would habitate

4290
03:08:39,279 --> 03:08:42,240
near nearby streams and other um

4291
03:08:42,240 --> 03:08:43,840
waterways.

4292
03:08:43,840 --> 03:08:46,160
The area served as an important wildlife

4293
03:08:46,160 --> 03:08:48,160
corridor to the region is home of the

4294
03:08:48,160 --> 03:08:51,840
well red tail hawks which we have here

4295
03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:54,640
and we also have other raptors. Data

4296
03:08:54,640 --> 03:08:57,520
centers pretend to be unassuming but in

4297
03:08:57,520 --> 03:09:00,240
fact they pose huge risk to the air

4298
03:09:00,240 --> 03:09:02,000
quality and water supply of the

4299
03:09:02,000 --> 03:09:04,319
communities [snorts] said Meredith

4300
03:09:04,319 --> 03:09:06,560
Stevenson's a staff attorney at the

4301
03:09:06,560 --> 03:09:09,200
center. We would let a large industrial

4302
03:09:09,200 --> 03:09:12,560
plant We wouldn't let a large industrial

4303
03:09:12,560 --> 03:09:14,960
plant move into town without first

4304
03:09:14,960 --> 03:09:17,040
analyzing how it'll affect the

4305
03:09:17,040 --> 03:09:20,160
neighboring wild wildlife and residents.

4306
03:09:20,160 --> 03:09:21,680
This is no different here in West

4307
03:09:21,680 --> 03:09:24,800
Virginia. In Pittsburgh, California,

4308
03:09:24,800 --> 03:09:27,680
leaders, they were told to go back to

4309
03:09:27,680 --> 03:09:29,680
the drawing board and give this project

4310
03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:31,760
the thorough review that the community

4311
03:09:31,760 --> 03:09:33,760
deserves. We're asking for the same

4312
03:09:33,760 --> 03:09:36,479
thing. Data centers will accommodate

4313
03:09:36,479 --> 03:09:38,479
artificial intelligence servers and

4314
03:09:38,479 --> 03:09:40,960
other computer systems and are extremely

4315
03:09:40,960 --> 03:09:43,680
energy intrusive and require enormous

4316
03:09:43,680 --> 03:09:45,680
amounts of land and water which we all

4317
03:09:45,680 --> 03:09:48,160
know. And as the industry grows,

4318
03:09:48,160 --> 03:09:50,560
communities are rapidly realizing how

4319
03:09:50,560 --> 03:09:52,240
environmentally destructive these

4320
03:09:52,240 --> 03:09:54,560
centers can be. [snorts]

4321
03:09:54,560 --> 03:09:56,479
All data centers currently operating

4322
03:09:56,479 --> 03:09:58,240
across the country together require

4323
03:09:58,240 --> 03:10:00,319
about the same amount of electricity as

4324
03:10:00,319 --> 03:10:03,040
the state of New Jersey. They also use

4325
03:10:03,040 --> 03:10:04,800
the massive amounts of water for

4326
03:10:04,800 --> 03:10:07,600
cooling. A midsize data center uses an

4327
03:10:07,600 --> 03:10:11,040
average of 300,000 gallons a day. We're

4328
03:10:11,040 --> 03:10:13,600
looking at a hyperscale data hypers

4329
03:10:13,600 --> 03:10:16,880
scale data center. By 2030, the global

4330
03:10:16,880 --> 03:10:19,680
data center industry will produce about

4331
03:10:19,680 --> 03:10:21,760
40%

4332
03:10:21,760 --> 03:10:26,000
of what the entire United States emits.

4333
03:10:26,000 --> 03:10:30,080
40% in four years of the total

4334
03:10:30,080 --> 03:10:33,359
greenhouse gas emissions.

4335
03:10:33,359 --> 03:10:35,040
That's sure that's what West Virginia

4336
03:10:35,040 --> 03:10:37,680
needs. I mean, if the wind blows right,

4337
03:10:37,680 --> 03:10:39,200
hopefully it'll blow to Red House or

4338
03:10:39,200 --> 03:10:41,359
Hurricane and maybe in y'all's backyard

4339
03:10:41,359 --> 03:10:43,439
instead of mine. Thank you.

4340
03:10:43,439 --> 03:10:46,901
>> Thank you.

4341
03:10:46,911 --> 03:10:52,230
[applause]

4342
03:10:52,240 --> 03:10:54,000
» Keep it brief, Eddie. [laughter]

4343
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:57,120
Oh, hey. Come on.

4344
03:10:57,120 --> 03:10:59,359
>> I just got a few questions. Alex asked

4345
03:10:59,359 --> 03:11:01,840
y'all a question. You answered it, but

4346
03:11:01,840 --> 03:11:03,600
Brian, you didn't. Are you for House

4347
03:11:03,600 --> 03:11:06,000
Bill 2014 still or are you against it?

4348
03:11:06,000 --> 03:11:06,720
Now,

4349
03:11:06,720 --> 03:11:09,279
>> this is not a question and answer

4350
03:11:09,279 --> 03:11:10,240
session.

4351
03:11:10,240 --> 03:11:12,560
>> Well, it is. I mean, Andy said he's

4352
03:11:12,560 --> 03:11:16,640
against it. So, it is an answer injury

4353
03:11:16,640 --> 03:11:18,640
for guessing. That tells me all I need

4354
03:11:18,640 --> 03:11:19,920
to know. Okay.

4355
03:11:19,920 --> 03:11:23,279
>> The other question I got is a rumor of

4356
03:11:23,279 --> 03:11:25,120
another data center coming to Pman

4357
03:11:25,120 --> 03:11:29,359
County. 2,000 acres.

4358
03:11:29,359 --> 03:11:31,439
Y'all just reszone Courtland Smith's

4359
03:11:31,439 --> 03:11:33,760
place.

4360
03:11:33,760 --> 03:11:35,920
And what I understand, Courtland is part

4361
03:11:35,920 --> 03:11:40,160
of the Bowler Woods. He's in that

4362
03:11:40,160 --> 03:11:41,200
people that owns

4363
03:11:41,200 --> 03:11:42,720
>> They've got over 2,000 acres on the

4364
03:11:42,720 --> 03:11:43,439
road.

4365
03:11:43,439 --> 03:11:44,479
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

4366
03:11:44,479 --> 03:11:44,960
>> Yeah.

4367
03:11:44,960 --> 03:11:49,279
>> So, is it coming there? the I I don't

4368
03:11:49,279 --> 03:11:50,880
know. I I've I've heard the same thing

4369
03:11:50,880 --> 03:11:53,600
over the last week that the Berwoods or

4370
03:11:53,600 --> 03:11:55,520
Part D or whatever you call it, right?

4371
03:11:55,520 --> 03:11:59,359
Um does have the acreage that would be

4372
03:11:59,359 --> 03:12:01,680
uh attractive to a data center. And I

4373
03:12:01,680 --> 03:12:03,680
kind of alluded to that tonight that

4374
03:12:03,680 --> 03:12:08,319
that's my concern is more than one. Um

4375
03:12:08,319 --> 03:12:11,279
even if uh

4376
03:12:11,279 --> 03:12:12,720
and I've I've went ahead and looked at

4377
03:12:12,720 --> 03:12:15,279
the part D land and it is not zoned you

4378
03:12:15,279 --> 03:12:17,840
know it it has residential zoning in it

4379
03:12:17,840 --> 03:12:19,600
but again with house bill 2014 that

4380
03:12:19,600 --> 03:12:20,319
doesn't matter

4381
03:12:20,319 --> 03:12:22,800
>> right I understand that understand

4382
03:12:22,800 --> 03:12:24,319
>> so again I I don't have anything

4383
03:12:24,319 --> 03:12:25,840
definite but I have heard a rumor over

4384
03:12:25,840 --> 03:12:27,279
the last week that say you need to look

4385
03:12:27,279 --> 03:12:29,680
into this and I at least looked into see

4386
03:12:29,680 --> 03:12:31,920
the zoning of it uh currently as it

4387
03:12:31,920 --> 03:12:34,000
stands and it's mixed but mostly

4388
03:12:34,000 --> 03:12:36,160
residential uh the party land

4389
03:12:36,160 --> 03:12:39,439
>> and talking about real estate. Um, I was

4390
03:12:39,439 --> 03:12:42,080
told today from a realtor,

4391
03:12:42,080 --> 03:12:44,240
I don't know this property in Buffalo.

4392
03:12:44,240 --> 03:12:46,640
Doug, you might know it. The Reigns,

4393
03:12:46,640 --> 03:12:49,040
Rudy Rains Farm. You know where it's at?

4394
03:12:49,040 --> 03:12:49,200
It's

4395
03:12:49,200 --> 03:12:50,240
>> up on the hill.

4396
03:12:50,240 --> 03:12:51,200
>> It's up on the hill.

4397
03:12:51,200 --> 03:12:51,840
>> Yeah.

4398
03:12:51,840 --> 03:12:55,760
>> I heard it was sold, but once the people

4399
03:12:55,760 --> 03:12:58,000
was told that the data center was

4400
03:12:58,000 --> 03:13:00,880
coming, they biked off of it cuz they

4401
03:13:00,880 --> 03:13:03,040
got young kids. It come from the realtor

4402
03:13:03,040 --> 03:13:05,920
that hadn't sold it.

4403
03:13:05,920 --> 03:13:07,359
It's up on Cross Creek Hill.

4404
03:13:07,359 --> 03:13:08,880
>> Is that where it's at?

4405
03:13:08,880 --> 03:13:10,080
>> But I didn't know where it was, but

4406
03:13:10,080 --> 03:13:12,080
that's what I was told about 3 hours ago

4407
03:13:12,080 --> 03:13:14,000
from a realtor

4408
03:13:14,000 --> 03:13:16,880
that I was talking to.

4409
03:13:16,880 --> 03:13:20,560
So, it is going to affect everybody down

4410
03:13:20,560 --> 03:13:24,800
through there. And I am one of the farms

4411
03:13:24,800 --> 03:13:27,200
and so is my neighbor that they're

4412
03:13:27,200 --> 03:13:30,560
looking to pass with A.

4413
03:13:30,560 --> 03:13:33,520
And we are said no. But we know under

4414
03:13:33,520 --> 03:13:38,150
domain they can take it.

4415
03:13:38,160 --> 03:13:38,720
So

4416
03:13:38,720 --> 03:13:40,000
>> y

4417
03:13:40,000 --> 03:13:43,760
>> with that being said, I know a lot of

4418
03:13:43,760 --> 03:13:46,960
you live this way

4419
03:13:46,960 --> 03:13:48,960
and are for this, but you better think

4420
03:13:48,960 --> 03:13:52,000
if they put that one at B your woods,

4421
03:13:52,000 --> 03:13:53,359
the pollution's coming right in your

4422
03:13:53,359 --> 03:13:55,920
back door. This the same as it is coming

4423
03:13:55,920 --> 03:13:59,120
in ours. That's all I got to say. Thank

4424
03:13:59,120 --> 03:14:06,229
you, Annie. [applause] ANYONE

4425
03:14:06,239 --> 03:14:09,120
ELSE?

4426
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:22,710
>> All right. Yes. Got one more.

4427
03:14:22,720 --> 03:14:25,359
» Good evening, commissioners. I was back

4428
03:14:25,359 --> 03:14:26,800
there taking notes the whole time and

4429
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:28,160
I'm going to try to stick to that

4430
03:14:28,160 --> 03:14:30,720
because y'all know I can drone on for

4431
03:14:30,720 --> 03:14:32,319
longer when everybody's trying to get

4432
03:14:32,319 --> 03:14:33,200
out of here. So

4433
03:14:33,200 --> 03:14:35,040
>> mind just name address for the event?

4434
03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:37,359
>> Yes. Uh so my name is Heather Ransom. I

4435
03:14:37,359 --> 03:14:39,200
am a Putnham County voter. I own

4436
03:14:39,200 --> 03:14:41,920
property in Ply um about a mile from the

4437
03:14:41,920 --> 03:14:45,040
proposed site next door to Alex. So I'll

4438
03:14:45,040 --> 03:14:46,399
be the neighbor that's over there

4439
03:14:46,399 --> 03:14:48,399
enjoying those transmission lines um

4440
03:14:48,399 --> 03:14:52,000
once those go up. Um, but first of all,

4441
03:14:52,000 --> 03:14:53,439
I I do want to thank you all for the

4442
03:14:53,439 --> 03:14:55,279
time today. Obviously, you've you've

4443
03:14:55,279 --> 03:14:57,120
listened to us for a very long time and

4444
03:14:57,120 --> 03:15:00,160
we appreciate it. Um, but also since we

4445
03:15:00,160 --> 03:15:01,760
first started sharing these concerns

4446
03:15:01,760 --> 03:15:03,520
back in April, um, you guys have been

4447
03:15:03,520 --> 03:15:05,840
very generous with your time um, every

4448
03:15:05,840 --> 03:15:08,720
time since. So, we appreciate that. Um,

4449
03:15:08,720 --> 03:15:11,040
and so back then, your position was that

4450
03:15:11,040 --> 03:15:13,600
you needed more information. I

4451
03:15:13,600 --> 03:15:15,040
appreciate you doing some of your own

4452
03:15:15,040 --> 03:15:17,200
investigation. Um, one thing I want to

4453
03:15:17,200 --> 03:15:18,720
say about what you brought back from

4454
03:15:18,720 --> 03:15:20,800
that site visit is in reference to the

4455
03:15:20,800 --> 03:15:22,560
comment that not all companies are

4456
03:15:22,560 --> 03:15:24,399
created equal and Google is one of the

4457
03:15:24,399 --> 03:15:26,720
good ones. So, let's take that at face

4458
03:15:26,720 --> 03:15:28,720
value. Many of the people in this room

4459
03:15:28,720 --> 03:15:31,359
fundamentally disagree, myself included,

4460
03:15:31,359 --> 03:15:33,520
but let's let's take that at face value.

4461
03:15:33,520 --> 03:15:35,760
You've also recognized that these data

4462
03:15:35,760 --> 03:15:37,920
centers come in droves, right? It's not

4463
03:15:37,920 --> 03:15:40,479
just one. It's never just one. So

4464
03:15:40,479 --> 03:15:42,960
everything we do here right now is going

4465
03:15:42,960 --> 03:15:45,760
to set the precedent for what's to come

4466
03:15:45,760 --> 03:15:48,080
and we cannot leave these companies to

4467
03:15:48,080 --> 03:15:51,120
their own devices.

4468
03:15:51,120 --> 03:15:53,680
So the other thing about that is saying

4469
03:15:53,680 --> 03:15:55,760
that they're one of the good ones. It

4470
03:15:55,760 --> 03:15:58,319
it's kind of like saying, "Hey, sorry we

4471
03:15:58,319 --> 03:16:00,160
dropped a bomb on you, but at least you

4472
03:16:00,160 --> 03:16:02,479
only lost an arm. You should be grateful

4473
03:16:02,479 --> 03:16:04,000
that you're not Mason County. Hell, they

4474
03:16:04,000 --> 03:16:06,160
lost both legs." That's sort of what

4475
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:08,160
this feels like.

4476
03:16:08,160 --> 03:16:09,760
Um,

4477
03:16:09,760 --> 03:16:11,840
so I I won't I won't harp on that. I

4478
03:16:11,840 --> 03:16:13,359
also just want to thank everybody in

4479
03:16:13,359 --> 03:16:15,520
this room, even if you had to leave.

4480
03:16:15,520 --> 03:16:16,800
There was, you know, as we know a lot of

4481
03:16:16,800 --> 03:16:18,160
folks here earlier, we've been here for

4482
03:16:18,160 --> 03:16:20,160
a minute. Um, or people that sent their

4483
03:16:20,160 --> 03:16:21,520
remarks with someone else cuz they

4484
03:16:21,520 --> 03:16:23,520
couldn't be here. Um, but especially

4485
03:16:23,520 --> 03:16:25,279
those who are still sitting here after

4486
03:16:25,279 --> 03:16:27,840
all this time. For months, you all have

4487
03:16:27,840 --> 03:16:30,880
shown up consistently

4488
03:16:30,880 --> 03:16:32,800
um to provide that information that they

4489
03:16:32,800 --> 03:16:36,319
asked for. You have researched, you've

4490
03:16:36,319 --> 03:16:39,120
provided news, deeply personal stories,

4491
03:16:39,120 --> 03:16:41,279
and you've plainly illustrated why the

4492
03:16:41,279 --> 03:16:44,080
people who live closest to this thing

4493
03:16:44,080 --> 03:16:46,399
should have a say in its development and

4494
03:16:46,399 --> 03:16:48,399
why we have a responsibility to consider

4495
03:16:48,399 --> 03:16:50,560
all of the implications, not just the

4496
03:16:50,560 --> 03:16:52,406
tax dollars.

4497
03:16:52,406 --> 03:16:58,790
[applause]

4498
03:16:58,800 --> 03:17:00,800
What's amazing to me is that after 5

4499
03:17:00,800 --> 03:17:03,040
months, state officials in Google are

4500
03:17:03,040 --> 03:17:04,800
still keeping us in the dark about the

4501
03:17:04,800 --> 03:17:06,960
scope of this project, despite the

4502
03:17:06,960 --> 03:17:08,960
national environment, which is both

4503
03:17:08,960 --> 03:17:11,120
telling and terrifying.

4504
03:17:11,120 --> 03:17:13,279
Um, as we heard earlier, there is a

4505
03:17:13,279 --> 03:17:15,040
nationwide movement to reveal the truth

4506
03:17:15,040 --> 03:17:17,200
about data centers. Local and state

4507
03:17:17,200 --> 03:17:18,560
governments across the country are

4508
03:17:18,560 --> 03:17:21,200
stepping up. Um, and it's working, but

4509
03:17:21,200 --> 03:17:22,960
we learn something new about them every

4510
03:17:22,960 --> 03:17:24,880
single day. And the only thing we really

4511
03:17:24,880 --> 03:17:26,960
know for sure is that each new piece of

4512
03:17:26,960 --> 03:17:28,880
information is more damning than the

4513
03:17:28,880 --> 03:17:30,479
last.

4514
03:17:30,479 --> 03:17:32,479
So, I want to just take a minute to tie

4515
03:17:32,479 --> 03:17:34,000
some of this back to West Virginia

4516
03:17:34,000 --> 03:17:37,439
specifically. And

4517
03:17:37,439 --> 03:17:39,040
don't I'm going to go a little bit on a

4518
03:17:39,040 --> 03:17:40,800
tangent through the lens of Appalachin

4519
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:43,040
bias, which is literally just a fancy

4520
03:17:43,040 --> 03:17:44,800
term for a very simple concept that

4521
03:17:44,800 --> 03:17:47,040
everyone here has experienced. It's the

4522
03:17:47,040 --> 03:17:49,279
Appalachin stereotype, the perception

4523
03:17:49,279 --> 03:17:51,359
that we're poor, backward, uneducated

4524
03:17:51,359 --> 03:17:55,040
hillbillies. Um, and that justifies our

4525
03:17:55,040 --> 03:17:57,040
exploitation in the minds of

4526
03:17:57,040 --> 03:17:58,960
billionaires and others who ain't from

4527
03:17:58,960 --> 03:18:01,120
here.

4528
03:18:01,120 --> 03:18:03,439
West Virginia has experienced this

4529
03:18:03,439 --> 03:18:04,960
probably even more than our other

4530
03:18:04,960 --> 03:18:08,000
Appalachin neighbors in part because our

4531
03:18:08,000 --> 03:18:11,120
leaders have inflamed the problem. At

4532
03:18:11,120 --> 03:18:13,359
times, they act as facilitators and

4533
03:18:13,359 --> 03:18:15,920
participants in the exploitation.

4534
03:18:15,920 --> 03:18:18,560
HV 2014 is the latest chapter in that

4535
03:18:18,560 --> 03:18:21,760
story. Our state officials have

4536
03:18:21,760 --> 03:18:23,520
literally invited outofstate

4537
03:18:23,520 --> 03:18:25,439
billionaires to come take advantage of

4538
03:18:25,439 --> 03:18:30,647
us poor dumb West Virginiaians.

4539
03:18:30,657 --> 03:18:35,830
[applause]

4540
03:18:35,840 --> 03:18:37,520
So the other thing to understand is that

4541
03:18:37,520 --> 03:18:40,160
we have what everyone else wants, right?

4542
03:18:40,160 --> 03:18:41,920
We've talked about that a bunch tonight.

4543
03:18:41,920 --> 03:18:45,279
Resources. Vast resources. First is our

4544
03:18:45,279 --> 03:18:47,120
timber and our coal. We give up our

4545
03:18:47,120 --> 03:18:49,040
lungs and our limbs and our lives. So

4546
03:18:49,040 --> 03:18:50,399
some out of state baron could make

4547
03:18:50,399 --> 03:18:52,239
millions on those. And then it was our

4548
03:18:52,239 --> 03:18:54,160
natural gas, our mineral rights that

4549
03:18:54,160 --> 03:18:55,680
were essentially stolen for pennies on

4550
03:18:55,680 --> 03:18:57,920
the dollar. And now they're coming for

4551
03:18:57,920 --> 03:19:00,720
our water. Literally the most valuable

4552
03:19:00,720 --> 03:19:03,600
resource on planet Earth because to them

4553
03:19:03,600 --> 03:19:07,120
we're expendable. We're less than. Our

4554
03:19:07,120 --> 03:19:08,960
health and our livelihood don't matter.

4555
03:19:08,960 --> 03:19:10,720
So we sure as don't have any right

4556
03:19:10,720 --> 03:19:12,960
to those finite resources that the tech

4557
03:19:12,960 --> 03:19:16,560
oligarchs believe they deserve.

4558
03:19:16,560 --> 03:19:18,160
And it's no wonder that so many of our

4559
03:19:18,160 --> 03:19:20,000
neighbors simply throw up their arms in

4560
03:19:20,000 --> 03:19:21,760
defeat, right? Once you've been held

4561
03:19:21,760 --> 03:19:24,239
hostage for generations, you see the

4562
03:19:24,239 --> 03:19:26,319
writing on the wall. It's really hard

4563
03:19:26,319 --> 03:19:29,200
not to be apathetic.

4564
03:19:29,200 --> 03:19:32,640
And as my aunt Becky said, this is

4565
03:19:32,640 --> 03:19:35,120
full-on taxation without representation.

4566
03:19:35,120 --> 03:19:37,120
We are paying taxes in the form of our

4567
03:19:37,120 --> 03:19:39,760
air, our water, our livelihood, um, and

4568
03:19:39,760 --> 03:19:41,439
yet again, our health for something we

4569
03:19:41,439 --> 03:19:43,840
did not have a say in. People who have

4570
03:19:43,840 --> 03:19:45,279
never stepped foot in this room, who

4571
03:19:45,279 --> 03:19:47,760
have no stake in Buffaloy or the farms

4572
03:19:47,760 --> 03:19:50,399
down river or cross the river, decided

4573
03:19:50,399 --> 03:19:52,479
that we should give up our night skies

4574
03:19:52,479 --> 03:19:55,439
and our history, our physical and mental

4575
03:19:55,439 --> 03:19:57,760
health, our rural way of life, all in

4576
03:19:57,760 --> 03:19:59,840
the name of flock cameras, mass

4577
03:19:59,840 --> 03:20:02,080
surveillance, imminent domain, and

4578
03:20:02,080 --> 03:20:05,680
billionaires making more billions.

4579
03:20:05,680 --> 03:20:08,560
But here's the thing, we are not dumb

4580
03:20:08,560 --> 03:20:10,218
hillbillies.

4581
03:20:10,218 --> 03:20:16,790
[laughter]

4582
03:20:16,800 --> 03:20:19,840
Everyone here has proven that. And so of

4583
03:20:19,840 --> 03:20:21,520
our friends and our neighbors in Mason

4584
03:20:21,520 --> 03:20:23,520
County and in Tucker and Berkeley and

4585
03:20:23,520 --> 03:20:25,279
Mingo who are speaking out against the

4586
03:20:25,279 --> 03:20:27,760
same injustice. We're finally speaking

4587
03:20:27,760 --> 03:20:29,920
our truth with a unified voice, a

4588
03:20:29,920 --> 03:20:33,200
bipartisan unified voice. And we're

4589
03:20:33,200 --> 03:20:35,200
ready to hold others, our leaders,

4590
03:20:35,200 --> 03:20:38,080
accountable to that truth.

4591
03:20:38,080 --> 03:20:39,520
And so we're asking you, our

4592
03:20:39,520 --> 03:20:41,920
commissioners, to join the chorus. As

4593
03:20:41,920 --> 03:20:44,399
Joseph and Jessica said, we believe that

4594
03:20:44,399 --> 03:20:46,080
government works best when elected

4595
03:20:46,080 --> 03:20:47,840
officials and the people they represent

4596
03:20:47,840 --> 03:20:49,840
can work together, which requires common

4597
03:20:49,840 --> 03:20:52,720
ground. So this resolution that we've

4598
03:20:52,720 --> 03:20:55,040
presented tonight, we believe represents

4599
03:20:55,040 --> 03:20:57,439
that common ground. If we can agree on

4600
03:20:57,439 --> 03:20:59,760
the very basic premise that we as West

4601
03:20:59,760 --> 03:21:01,600
Virginiaians as the people who already

4602
03:21:01,600 --> 03:21:04,560
live in Buffalo or Plying deserve

4603
03:21:04,560 --> 03:21:06,160
respect from our leaders and from

4604
03:21:06,160 --> 03:21:07,680
billionaires.

4605
03:21:07,680 --> 03:21:09,279
If we can agree that the people should

4606
03:21:09,279 --> 03:21:11,680
have a say in the presence of hyperskll

4607
03:21:11,680 --> 03:21:14,000
data centers in their community and that

4608
03:21:14,000 --> 03:21:15,680
there's more to them than the financial

4609
03:21:15,680 --> 03:21:18,239
implications, then we have a foundation

4610
03:21:18,239 --> 03:21:21,359
from which we can move forward together.

4611
03:21:21,359 --> 03:21:22,880
So you all have said that your power has

4612
03:21:22,880 --> 03:21:25,359
been taken away by 2014. And I'm not

4613
03:21:25,359 --> 03:21:28,080
denying the reality and the tragedy of

4614
03:21:28,080 --> 03:21:31,040
that bill. But what you do still have is

4615
03:21:31,040 --> 03:21:34,319
the power of your voice. Voices matter.

4616
03:21:34,319 --> 03:21:38,399
Our voices matter. Yours matter more.

4617
03:21:38,399 --> 03:21:40,960
They just do. So I'll end with an

4618
03:21:40,960 --> 03:21:42,800
invitation for you all to share your

4619
03:21:42,800 --> 03:21:44,720
position. Will you pass the people's

4620
03:21:44,720 --> 03:21:46,560
resolution on the presence of hyperskll

4621
03:21:46,560 --> 03:21:50,160
data centers in our community?

4622
03:21:50,160 --> 03:21:54,354
Thank you.

4623
03:21:54,364 --> 03:22:08,790
» [applause]

4624
03:22:08,800 --> 03:22:10,080
» Hello, gentlemen. How are you this

4625
03:22:10,080 --> 03:22:10,560
evening?

4626
03:22:10,560 --> 03:22:11,120
>> How are you?

4627
03:22:11,120 --> 03:22:13,279
>> I promise. I think we're done. I

4628
03:22:13,279 --> 03:22:15,279
promise. I've got one easy thing I do

4629
03:22:15,279 --> 03:22:16,800
want to say. I thank you guys for

4630
03:22:16,800 --> 03:22:18,960
everything about the opioid sediment

4631
03:22:18,960 --> 03:22:21,760
there. When will applications be open

4632
03:22:21,760 --> 03:22:23,760
for that? Or do we have any idea?

4633
03:22:23,760 --> 03:22:25,120
>> Post it on the website. We've got the

4634
03:22:25,120 --> 03:22:26,319
application ready to go. It was approved

4635
03:22:26,319 --> 03:22:27,520
tonight, so we'll probably post it

4636
03:22:27,520 --> 03:22:28,000
tomorrow.

4637
03:22:28,000 --> 03:22:29,200
>> Okay. Awesome. Awesome. I'll definitely

4638
03:22:29,200 --> 03:22:30,560
let a couple different organizations

4639
03:22:30,560 --> 03:22:33,279
know about that. Um, just one last thing

4640
03:22:33,279 --> 03:22:36,479
to end on here. Today is the 105th

4641
03:22:36,479 --> 03:22:37,840
anniversary of the Battle of Blair

4642
03:22:37,840 --> 03:22:39,920
Mountain when the government chose to

4643
03:22:39,920 --> 03:22:43,520
work for the company as opposed to the

4644
03:22:43,520 --> 03:22:46,080
people that elected him there. And

4645
03:22:46,080 --> 03:22:47,600
that's how that turned out. If anybody

4646
03:22:47,600 --> 03:22:50,080
knows the story about that, there were

4647
03:22:50,080 --> 03:22:52,319
machine guns. [applause]

4648
03:22:52,319 --> 03:22:54,160
The government chose to use machine guns

4649
03:22:54,160 --> 03:22:55,680
against West Virginia citizens instead

4650
03:22:55,680 --> 03:22:59,439
of siding with people over company. So,

4651
03:22:59,439 --> 03:23:01,520
just something to think about today.

4652
03:23:01,520 --> 03:23:03,795
Thank you.

4653
03:23:03,795 --> 03:23:06,790
[applause]

4654
03:23:06,800 --> 03:23:07,840
If we don't end, I'm going to have to

4655
03:23:07,840 --> 03:23:10,560
take a bathroom break. So,

4656
03:23:10,560 --> 03:23:12,960
nothing else. I'll entertain a motion to

4657
03:23:12,960 --> 03:23:15,680
adjourn. Our next scheduled meeting is

4658
03:23:15,680 --> 03:23:17,520
on

4659
03:23:17,520 --> 03:23:21,520
Tuesday, September 8th at 9:00 a.m. Make

4660
03:23:21,520 --> 03:23:23,040
a motion to adjourn to our next

4661
03:23:23,040 --> 03:23:24,000
scheduled meeting.

4662
03:23:24,000 --> 03:23:24,399
>> Second.

4663
03:23:24,399 --> 03:23:25,840
>> Got a motion. Second. All in favor say

4664
03:23:25,840 --> 03:23:29,160
I. I.