1 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,600 Okay. 2 00:01:31,439 --> 00:01:38,960 » Recording in progress. >> Okay. All right. Welcome everybody to 3 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:41,840 the September 8th Cath regional district board meeting. I want to acknowledge the 4 00:01:40,479 --> 00:01:46,479 hold of the meeting on the traditional territory of the Talman nation. Uh we 5 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:52,880 have an agenda in front of us. Are there any changes to that agenda? If not, 6 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:57,840 would somebody like to move it? Director Gizbborne, seconded by Director Elliot. 7 00:01:54,799 --> 00:02:03,159 Thank you. All in favor? Motion carries or I guess any against 8 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,200 or director Paul. Is there a hand up there? 9 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:15,840 » I can hear us. I don't know if you can hear us. 10 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:19,959 » Director Paul, can you hear us? >> Can you hear us? Director F. 11 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:29,959 » Barely. Director F can't hear us. >> And we all look frozen because we're 12 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,959 » Yeah, we're all looking at the screen. 13 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,760 » I don't imagine he would be opposed to the agenda. He's 14 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:41,080 » battery full. >> Yeah. 15 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,080 » Dr. F, can you hear us? 16 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:49,200 » I just turned my cell phone off. Someone else might want to call. 17 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:51,599 » I'm messaging him on the >> Can you hear me? 18 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:57,760 » Yes, we can hear you. Director McCormick. Thank you. 19 00:02:54,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Director Fall, can you hear us? >> Is coming in loud and clear, but not the 20 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:07,080 ski. and make director fall, director makov on the 21 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:11,760 » should we just continue on with the adoption of the minutes? 22 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:15,280 » Yeah, we have quorum. >> Yep, we have quum. 23 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:21,120 » So, uh, regarding the minutes of the regular board meeting August 26, 2026. 24 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:25,599 Are there any errors or omissions? Seeing none, no hands. Moved by director 25 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:29,680 Gizbborne, second director Elliot. All in favor? 26 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:35,519 Motion carries. Thank you. um delegations and inquiries. We are it's 27 00:03:32,799 --> 00:03:44,200 our pleasure to have Snapchat Dyson visit us today or his quarterly report 28 00:03:40,239 --> 00:03:44,200 and join us today. 29 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,640 Thank you. 30 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:55,680 Is yours presentation for uh the first quarter 31 00:03:52,720 --> 00:04:00,799 April to June of of this year. Uh going to go over a few of the stats we have 32 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:06,480 here. Our total calls for service uh up very very slightly for the regional 33 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:13,120 district areas. So outside of the city uh from 396 to 402. Um I will in the end 34 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:17,359 I've got a little bit more information on that. 35 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:24,240 Our check wellbeing files are down uh 33% uh for that period. These are files 36 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:29,199 where people call in to they're concerned about a neighbor or a family 37 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:35,040 member and to go and check on them. Mental health act calls are doubled um 38 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:39,919 from 12 to 25 for the same period. So this could be part as a result of check 39 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:43,520 well being files there. We found somebody that's in distress and we need 40 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:49,520 to assist them. Unspecified assistance again calls don't 41 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:58,680 fall neatly into any other category. Fairly stable for the 81 85 year over. 42 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:58,680 Missing persons files um 43 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:07,280 continue. >> A large number of these are um youth 44 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:10,160 that um have chosen not to be found or not to be where they say they should be. 45 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,639 Um >> very 46 00:05:11,919 --> 00:05:19,759 actual missing missing people. Although we did have a couple of those more 47 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:23,400 recently where engaged with local SAR to go and try to find people. 48 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:29,840 impaired driving static for the quarter 7 to six. 49 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:36,400 Overall person's crimes, so these are assaults, things of those nature, other 50 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:42,800 threats. Again, fairly static, 40 to 44. Assaults themselves were up um from 14 51 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:48,880 to 20. Again, these are for um those within the 52 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:54,479 um non city areas that we cover. Sexual offenses, again, fairly static 53 00:05:51,360 --> 00:06:02,560 down to one. Any red reduction is good to see. harassment files um which cover 54 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:07,600 a variety of different things mostly um there's a lot of these right now social 55 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:12,319 media um texts calls standing outside of somebody's property those sorts of 56 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:18,479 things again static 707 for the core uttering threats a reduction from 17 to 57 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:22,479 15 um over the period overall property crime good to see a 58 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:27,520 reduction there from 15 to 41 an 18% decrease uh from the quarter of last 59 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:33,039 either. Bike theft, no bikes go on. Hoping this 60 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:36,400 has a lot to do with our project 529 which machines have been very successful 61 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:40,800 locally. Breaken enters residential from one to 62 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:48,639 zero which is good and a reduction of the business from 3 to one. Um 63 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:53,600 last year um during this period there was a a person in town that we believe 64 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:57,680 was responsible for the bulk of them and they increase and that person has since 65 00:06:55,039 --> 00:07:02,639 left and as a result so have the uh business being easily reduced 66 00:07:00,479 --> 00:07:06,800 theft under $5,000 a bit of an increase there 6 to9 67 00:07:05,039 --> 00:07:11,199 theft from vehicles. Uh we had a bit of a rash. The person that we believe was 68 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:15,599 the um culpable for most of those has found themselves in custody. As a 69 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:21,120 result, we've seen a reduction those calls to zero. 70 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:25,599 Theft of vehicles again six to zero. Nobody stealing vehicles outside of the 71 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,800 city using them. Usually they use them just to get from one place to the other 72 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:32,319 and then drop it. But that hasn't happened. It didn't happen in the first 73 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:38,000 quarter of this year. Frauds 9 to6. Uh many of these tend to 74 00:07:35,599 --> 00:07:42,800 be uh reported frauds where somebody has fallen into certain online scams. Uh 75 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,520 we've been seeing a bit of a red we saw a bit of a reduction. We're starting to 76 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:50,800 see a bit of a bump up as some other ones are taken over. They find new ways 77 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:55,120 to target people. AI has been sort of pretty uh pretty 78 00:07:53,520 --> 00:08:00,720 successful uh in that regard for the culprits. 79 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:05,039 Mischief up from 18 to 25. These are random damages to people's property. 80 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:13,759 drug offenses from three down to one. Uh order drug trafficking, we had no 81 00:08:11,919 --> 00:08:18,160 trafficking investigations over the same period last year. 82 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:23,919 Weapons offenses again dropped from one to zero. 83 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:29,840 Uh calls per area, uh you see a 42% increase in Clam, 45% decrease in Saber 84 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:36,000 Island. Tuxeda Island up a little bit, rural and 85 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:40,000 the water areas are up again just 11% for the same quarter. 86 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:43,760 And these are just our total file accounts. We've just left this on. This 87 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:49,040 is um so obviously we haven't got to the end of this year so we don't know our 88 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:53,760 numbers. I will say that for um the first portion of this year we are about 89 00:08:51,760 --> 00:09:00,080 five to six weeks ahead number-wise where we were last year. So, uh, our 90 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:06,160 total file counts up for the district or from the city for the detachment, sorry, 91 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:11,839 covering the city and the um, uh, rural areas. So, we're up to up. 92 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:15,839 Last year, we were 6,300 and this year we're looking to be uh, back up again, a 93 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:20,200 little bit higher than that, uh, if things continue the way they've been 94 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,200 trending. 95 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:26,800 That's it for stats for the year. Just a couple things I wanted to mention that 96 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:30,560 aren't part of the presentation. Um, again, I just mentioned that we're 97 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:36,880 five to six weeks ahead of where we were last year. Um, currently, sort of beyond 98 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:41,120 the period of this, uh, we have a bit of a resource challenge right now. Um, 99 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:45,600 trying to get we have some members on short-term and long-term 100 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:50,399 um, time off that we're trying to address. Um, some of those will be 101 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:54,000 coming back here shortly. Uh but what it's resulted in, we've had to redeploy 102 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:57,519 some of our resources from their primary mandate to general duty to make sure 103 00:09:55,519 --> 00:10:02,160 that we're able to um have members on the road. So that's been a bit of a 104 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:07,360 challenge for us. Uh for Texa Island, one of our members there is scheduled to 105 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:11,600 transfer out. He has um requested and been granted a bit of a delay in his 106 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:17,360 departures. Uh so he'll be here probably till the beginning of 2027. 107 00:10:14,079 --> 00:10:21,360 Um and however his replacement is already named and so it should be a 108 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:26,800 fairly sure transition once he goes to get the in and in position and the 109 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:30,640 member that's been there uh for a few months now is really taken over well and 110 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:36,160 doing doing well. So I think that transition will be uh will be good 111 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:40,880 overall. That's my presentation. >> Great. Thank you, Staff Sergeant. Um 112 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:44,200 I'll open it up to the table. Anybody have any questions? 113 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:53,600 Hey future um you said something that I didn't quite understand when we were 114 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:58,480 talking about fraud. You said AI was successful I wasn't sure if you meant AI 115 00:10:55,519 --> 00:11:02,399 was successfully helping frauds people or successfully helping people prevent 116 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,920 fraud. >> Uh specifically I was referring to it's 117 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:09,839 successfully helping the culprits be more successful at getting money from 118 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:13,920 people. Um we have been using AI a little bit more in some of our in some 119 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:19,120 of our work. Um I don't know specifically for frauds if it's been 120 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:25,680 useful in tracking down people. Um I know that we have had um subjects here 121 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:29,200 that have been targets of frauds from Canadian-based frauds and we have 122 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:34,000 assisted the agencies from where they're from to provide information to try to 123 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:36,800 successfully target those. >> Great. Uh do we have any other 124 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:41,519 questions? Director Gizbborne and then directors and then director McCormack. 125 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:45,120 Yeah, my question is in relation to I think it was slide four, the mental 126 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:50,560 health act calls which went from 12 to 25. So that was a doubling in that 127 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:54,800 quarter. Um are you seeing it's like the same individuals coming out to the same 128 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:58,560 call like is it the same um members of the public that you're going out and 129 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:02,079 seeing uh are they getting this health the help and services that they need 130 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,880 from the Ministry of Health or is it like you know can you explain more on 131 00:12:03,839 --> 00:12:08,639 what's happening there? >> It's it's a mix. Um, sometimes they're 132 00:12:06,959 --> 00:12:11,279 people that we have dealt with before, so we're familiar with them and their 133 00:12:10,079 --> 00:12:15,360 mental health challenges, so we're getting them the help. Sometimes it's 134 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:19,360 new people. We try to get them um, hooked into some of the services that 135 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:25,200 are available for them. So, it it's it varies. Um, and sometimes you'll find 136 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:28,959 people um, specifically Texa Island has a person that tends to go in cycles. So 137 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:32,720 that person results in a number of calls for service over a short period of time, 138 00:12:30,959 --> 00:12:36,000 gets whatever treatment that they need, gets back on, you know, medications can 139 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,760 be need adjusted or whatever, and then we don't hear from them. [clears throat] 140 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:45,200 So it's very it's in it's a sort of a thing that changes quite substantially. 141 00:12:44,079 --> 00:12:49,279 » All right, Director Lennox. >> Yeah, thanks. Thanks again. Appreciate 142 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:52,480 these quarterly updates. Uh a couple of thank yous. We like to acknowledge, you 143 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:56,320 know, your safety coverage is not something you have to battle for 144 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:00,480 funding, you know, uh do extra work for that. So from the community, um people 145 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:04,800 notice that and I think the stats reflect that when we see your presence, 146 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:08,320 we see the stats go down. So good job and to your members that kind of I guess 147 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:12,320 volunteer to do extra and get on a boat and go to savory. I mean there might be 148 00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:15,760 some good parts of that day. But again, I appreciate it. And attending things 149 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:19,360 like ASIC, the community, you know, committees and different things where 150 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:25,440 people attend and get the information like that that's very important. So 151 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:28,800 thank you for that. Um, uh, I understand you have a new local officer I met in 152 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:33,440 the grocery store that I've worked with in the mill before. So, I got to say I I 153 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:40,480 hate to hear about staffing problems, but super cool to see a local person get 154 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:43,760 hired from Pal River and on the streets. I saw him the other day and I wasn't 155 00:13:41,839 --> 00:13:48,320 speeding so I felt good about that. And now I guess my question is like when you 156 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,519 went to Savory, uh, were there any troubles on your visits? I think things 157 00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:54,399 slow right down and people behave themselves a little bit better, but also 158 00:13:52,959 --> 00:13:57,920 you had some little bit of docking issues. I think the tide can affect 159 00:13:56,079 --> 00:14:00,480 maybe your response capabilities. Is that true? 160 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,760 » Uh, so there's two things. Um, a couple things there. Conible Alexander is the 161 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:07,360 member you're talking about. He's hit the ground running here really, really 162 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:10,880 well. A great addition. I was a little bit concerned about, you know, being of 163 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,399 a place he grew up. We found none of those issues and he has sort of found 164 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:19,600 his place and doing extremely well for a new member. Um, Texa Island. The only 165 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:23,440 issue that we found there, and I think it's sort of something that gets 166 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,680 overlooked, is the number of people riding in the back of pickup. 167 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:30,240 » Savory or taxi? >> Sort of savory. Um, riding in the back 168 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:34,320 of pickups all stacked up way up high as we've had to deal with that a few times. 169 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:37,360 One of the taxi drivers there got to meet me uh 170 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:42,079 » in enforcement mode, and I don't think he was very happy with that. Um, but it 171 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:46,160 was for that just purely a safety thing. We just can't have people falling out. 172 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:49,680 I've been to, I think, four different files in my career. Uh, two of them 173 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,600 where people died and two of them were people were seriously injured. So, just 174 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:58,000 can't didn't want to see that at all. Um, the docking issue. Yeah, there was a 175 00:14:55,839 --> 00:15:02,079 there was a challenge there. Um, our new boat is bigger than our old boat. Um, 176 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,079 had drafts a little teeny bit, but probably about the same actually. I 177 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:06,079 thought it would draft a little bit more, but I think it's about the same. 178 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:10,880 But, um, >> there's no draft there. Yeah, we were 179 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:14,320 when we came for the ASIC meeting, the uh end of the of the float was actually 180 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:19,120 sitting on the mud, so it makes it a bit of a challenge to have the taxis coming 181 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,519 in. Um we've we've addressed that and you know, we'll be putting the boat 182 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,360 where we need to put it and hopefully the taxis can work around us, but 183 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:31,120 » great. Yeah, thank you. Thanks again. >> Thank you, director. I guess 184 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:36,020 » yes, thank you. Thank you, chair. Um and thanks for your presentation, Staff 185 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:40,959 Sergeant. Um my question is about um [clears throat] dangerous dogs and 186 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:45,920 that's been an issue off and on and it's now on again on Texa and I'm just 187 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:51,440 wondering I don't know how many of those cases actually get reported to the RCMP 188 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:57,279 and how many are dealt with locally but I'm just wondering where would they be 189 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:04,399 in your count of various things? Is it unspecified unsistence or or where where 190 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:08,399 would that issue come up? Those would be animal calls uh would be specifically 191 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:14,320 how they would be. I know there was a call where a some livestock was killed I 192 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:18,160 think injured killed recently. Um I just saw that file in our blotter. So I'm 193 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:22,880 looking at that to see what what they're going to do. Um because those files tend 194 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:28,079 to be very very few. We don't include them in our regular reporting. Uh if we 195 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,680 had a blip, you know, sort of a year where there was more than sort of a 196 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:36,639 normal, then we would report on that for sure. Uh but that hasn't been the case 197 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:41,360 for the last one. >> Okay. Thank you. 198 00:16:38,079 --> 00:16:44,079 » Great. Uh seeing no other hands, I thank you for coming down here for your Puerto 199 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:50,079 Rico report. Appreciate it. >> Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. 200 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:56,480 » And good luck in the upcoming election. >> Um we have no unregistered delegations, 201 00:16:53,440 --> 00:17:00,880 so we'll just continue on with the correspondence. 202 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:06,000 Uh we already have it moved to business arising from correspondence 203 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:09,199 a letter of support request. So I don't know if somebody would like to move the 204 00:17:07,679 --> 00:17:14,559 recommendation. Elliot second by Paul. Thank you. Any 205 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:21,760 discussion? Seeing none. All in favor? 206 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:26,480 Passes. Approved. Thank you. Consent agenda. Is there anything anybody would 207 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:32,320 like to remove from the consent agenda? See no hands. Would somebody like to 208 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:36,799 mute directors Elliot and Gizbborne? Uh says no discussion. So I'll call the 209 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:41,520 question. All in favor? >> Motion carries. 210 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:46,880 All right. >> Sliding down to 11.1. [clears throat] 211 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:50,480 » I was just going to adise chair that 11.1 and 11.2 are all directors weighted 212 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:57,280 votes. >> Okay. All directors wed votes and 213 00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,240 Okay. No. Uh item number 11.1 ratification 214 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,919 » say thank you from the best of >> right on 215 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:09,360 here on behalf of the chair but thank you very much 216 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:14,000 » uh ratification of clan and south view leaseold lands services agreement 2024 217 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:17,000 to 2028 would somebody like to move the recommendation 218 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:25,200 Elliot seconded by I'll second it 219 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:30,000 » second it discussion Elliott Thank you. Um, so I think that I'm in 220 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:34,080 favor of the motion and I think that um, we definitely need to correct this 221 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:38,960 administrative error of not having voted for it when we were expected to a few 222 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:43,840 years back. Um, puts us in a bit of a conundrum to not 223 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:48,799 do that. I do have a few questions um, just so I understand it better. It's the 224 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:53,200 first time I've seen this um, to us so I I don't fully understand everything 225 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:59,760 about it. One of the questions I had was um is there a particular service area 226 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:06,320 that the that it's paid out of or how do we how is it function um as far as 227 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:11,280 within the regional district around service areas and things like that? 228 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:15,200 » Who would be the best to answer this? >> Thank you for the chair. So these 229 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:20,400 agreements are so we can provide services. This first one that we're 230 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:27,200 doing is for um Kohani and Southview. placehold plans. So, so each of those 231 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:33,039 services listed um on page 232 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:37,280 214 or 1212, those will receive money for providing those services 233 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:43,039 and so that it would be the service areas that are um 234 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:47,520 within the agreement and there isn't some service areas have a map for them. 235 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:52,240 So it would be obviously the ones where that area is included in that bed then 236 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:57,600 like sorry I didn't have much of an 237 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:04,480 understanding before but general services is excluded from receiving 238 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:08,720 benefit and my and I think some regional services like recreation and things like 239 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:14,320 that are part of this agreement and I'm just trying to understand if they are 240 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:20,400 also um some of some parts of it just for area A for for everybody. 241 00:20:17,658 --> 00:20:28,080 [clears throat] So um that F indicates that 242 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:31,600 um the area those portions of Tammen which are being designated for 243 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:37,760 occupation by members and non-members of Tammen also known as a Kahani and South 244 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:43,880 View lease hold lands. So that's where it first it 245 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,880 app. 246 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,600 » Does that answer your question, director? 247 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,600 » I guess so. >> Okay. 248 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:56,320 » Uh, any other questions? >> Yes. 249 00:20:54,320 --> 00:21:00,000 » Great. Director, >> I have a lot of questions and I'm I 250 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:05,440 guess I'm really almost supposed to ask two. I'm a little confused. Uh, as as 251 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:11,520 you can tell from other directors, there's no map here, so I don't even 252 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:15,039 know what the designated lands are. I It seems like the motion is a little bit 253 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:21,360 like, here, just sign this cuz we forgot to two years ago. Um, which okay, I 254 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:25,280 don't see another agreement for the Londland services. They looked exactly 255 00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:28,640 identical to me. Maybe I'm missing something. And I don't see any maps. 256 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:33,200 Maybe they're the same services. >> That's 257 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:39,679 » I know that. So I'm saying I don't see maybe I'm missing it. Um you know these 258 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:44,960 you're right bullet point F. How were the number and types of services 259 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:53,520 provided uh by us to TLA and determined? This is signed by the the board chair 260 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:59,760 in our name and I wasn't involved. I got questions around 261 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:06,760 if we're not even meeting as a C2 or C3, how can we gee further negotiate 262 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,760 services? Um 263 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:17,039 what about discussions on services that lease holders are provided by Talon and 264 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:20,720 what are their capabilities or lack thereof and why wouldn't they pay for 265 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:25,840 something or would they pay that? That's not fair to them or us to even like we 266 00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:30,320 didn't talk to them about it. I've got the list of services. Each one of them 267 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:35,200 should be looked at in detail. Administration being reduced by 45% or 268 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:40,880 whatever the you know that's substantial. Our highest costs are then 269 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:45,280 um what are the actual costs? I don't see 270 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:53,280 any costs. I don't see any assessed RO values. I don't see any class classes of 271 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:58,400 property. Um point five, right? Um are lease holders aware of the agreement? Um 272 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,480 how did the lease holders received representation for their taxation or 273 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:07,961 lack thereof? Is it identified? Have we talked about 274 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:12,000 that? Do they know that? I haven't. [laughter] Anyways, 275 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:15,919 uh the renewal is only two years away. Are we going to talk about it before 276 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:21,200 then or or after that? Again, where's the map? It appears that this was 277 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:25,919 negotiated and signed a couple years ago and it's sort of like here just sign it. 278 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Let's get it done because we're out of compliance. 279 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:36,480 Uh page two out of 12 it says the board it would formally confirm its approval 280 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:43,200 of of what is my question. I didn't know anything about it till a couple days 281 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:47,520 ago. And uh again where's the lend land services agreement and where is it 282 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:53,120 defined? Where's the map? what are they, you know, what are we providing or not. 283 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:57,760 So, lots of questions. Uh, understand the intent is to get her done and be 284 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:01,919 compliant. And like I'm I want to be clear to anybody listening, no 285 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:07,200 espersions to follow the process. They're he signed this document. 286 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:11,200 They they are hopefully receiving the services that we say we are providing. 287 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:18,360 Uh, that's not what I'm saying. You know, it's like the boat the principal 288 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:18,360 the matter of signed in absentia. 289 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:24,640 I don't I don't know where I'm at here. I I want more information. I want the 290 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:29,120 people to receive all these good services. Right. 291 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:32,159 Directors fall and Gizbborne. >> Uh thank you chair. I just have a I 292 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:36,799 guess a comment on how to move forward because I I hear what director Linux is 293 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:40,799 saying. This is new to all of us and yet it also has been operating for two years 294 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:45,919 without there being a particular problem. So the the term of this 295 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:51,120 agreement is is December 2028. So what I would actually suggest might be the most 296 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:54,720 constructive way forward would be to to you know approve this just so we can you 297 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:58,480 know deal with this because the slapman have been operating under it. we've been 298 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,919 operating under it, but set in motion. And I don't know if uh you know, and I'm 299 00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:07,120 just throwing this out for a second, but I I don't know if a motion needed to be 300 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,520 made, but maybe leading up to the term of the agreement, the termination of the 301 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,080 agreement, >> and presumably its renewal that there 302 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:17,600 would be a process in place, you know, a commitment for a review by the board, 303 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:22,240 you know, maybe starting even six months or a year ahead to to start looking 304 00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:25,919 forward at the next term of this agreement so that they can, you know, 305 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:29,679 the board can be fully cognizant any changes can be done with time to do any 306 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:35,039 negotiations cuz otherwise you know change this now I just think it it would 307 00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:40,880 cause more uh more grief than than than benefit passing it but not you know not 308 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:47,279 just leaving it un on uh without you know as a loose end I think putting in 309 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:53,760 motion a uh a process to to look at this prior to the renewal so that the 20 you 310 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:56,297 know the 2028 to 2032 agreement would be um fully understood by the board and 311 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,080 maybe reviewed >> [clears throat] 312 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:03,440 » Okay. Thank you, Director Good. >> Yeah, thank you, Chair. I believe 313 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,840 Director Falls said that this was new to all of us, new to all of us, but it's 314 00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:12,080 not. It's got the signature of the chair from two years ago. I guess the only way 315 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:17,760 to describe it is exceeding the authority. The ultimate authority of 316 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:21,679 this assembly is the assembly. Section 26. Tom and the regional 317 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:26,880 district warrant to each other that the executive and the board respectively 318 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:31,600 have taken all measures required by law to authorize the entry of this 319 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:35,039 agreement. This was signed two years ago without the board's knowledge or 320 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:38,640 approval. To to reiterate, I think what director 321 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:44,159 Lennox is trying to say. This is not an error from Twomin Nation. This is an 322 00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:48,320 error of the regional district. And I find this deeply upsetting, but also 323 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:54,640 not entirely surprising based on what's been going on over eight years. 324 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:58,320 I find it incredibly distressing because 325 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:03,520 as director Lennox said, it says the designated lands known as Clanian South 326 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:10,080 View uh Southview leaseold lands, but I don't have a map. I I can't assume what 327 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:13,600 the overall assessed value is of that. I would like to know more information, but 328 00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:17,600 this decision was already made. We're essentially coming in two years after 329 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:25,200 the fact and being asked to just approve it so that we can move on. But if we 330 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:28,320 approve it and move on, essentially, you know, these kind of things happen 331 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:34,480 and unless this board takes action, it's just going to keep happening. 332 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:38,880 It says in here on in the the the staff report, the agreement accurately 333 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:44,240 reflects the intentions of both the cath regional district and common nation. 334 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:48,159 The intentions of the regional district in my opinion are determined by the 335 00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:52,159 board and this is the first time the board has seen this document and as 336 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:57,679 director has pointed out on the next report it says 337 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:02,240 lend land land services agreement but what's attached 338 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:07,520 is the clan and south view leaseolds lands agreement not the lend agreement 339 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:11,360 on the next item and it's we're we're essentially trying 340 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:16,640 to retroactively fix a mistake 341 00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:23,600 two years after it's been done. And I understand mistakes happen, 342 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:27,440 but when you read it, section 343 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:31,440 I, the board of directors of the regional 344 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:38,159 district, the board, pursuant to a resolution adopted at a duly convened 345 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:41,919 meeting of the board held blank 2024, a true copy of which resolution is 346 00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:47,840 attached as schedule C to this agreement, has approved this agreement. 347 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:52,960 that didn't happen. The mistake should have been caught before the document was 348 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:57,440 signed by our chair and CIO on this board's behalf without this board's 349 00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:00,440 knowledge. I 350 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:06,640 reading this, I have lost confidence in the chair and I'm wondering if it's 351 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:13,000 appropriate to move a motion of non-confidence against the chair 352 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000 because 353 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:20,240 the chair is not the board. The chair works for the board and I'm wondering 354 00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:24,520 what else has been signed on behalf of the board without this board's 355 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,520 knowledge. 356 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,559 » Director Elliot, >> I just want to correct that the the 357 00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:37,600 agreement attached under the item for the lend agreement is the the copy of 358 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:42,720 the land agreement, not the it is has a lot of the similar wording, but it is 359 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:47,200 the lend agreement. It isn't. So, you said it was the same and it's not. So I 360 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,159 just wanted to say >> thank you. 361 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:57,279 Is there anybody else that would like to speak who hasn't spoken yet? 362 00:29:53,840 --> 00:30:01,760 » I spoke. I'm just going to help have a suggestion. 363 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:06,559 » Okay. >> Um 364 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:10,480 so we do have another regional district meeting 365 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:15,520 um before the end of our term >> that's coming up. This is business that 366 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:19,200 should be tied up by this board prior to then because it's an agreement we've 367 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:26,960 been implementing for the last two years and it puts us in a 368 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:34,240 bit of a bad situation to um not approve it. that we could postpone to the last 369 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:39,039 meeting and use that to ask staff to bring forward a little more 370 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:44,480 information so that we can better understand what we're ratifying. And 371 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:50,000 this is a matter of ratifying not opening up for renegotiation or trying 372 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:56,000 to change anything. And so, um, because I wouldn't be in favor of trying to do 373 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:59,520 that. Um, on the point of non-confidence, 374 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:05,360 um, I see how this happens. People trust 375 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:09,679 that what they're signing has been through due process and and that happens 376 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:15,440 sometimes. I think that all the people who might 377 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,960 have been involved in that oversight are probably 378 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:26,880 seeing exactly how they could fix that and are probably working on. Um, I want 379 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:32,080 to give grace to that because we're moving, this term is pretty much done 380 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:37,120 with now and we're going to have elections coming up and I would like to 381 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,799 focus on a few I'd like to ratify this in a in a way that we can understand 382 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:47,919 what we're ratifying and I'd like to move forward rather than try to 383 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:51,679 blind people to blame. That's my thoughts on 384 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:56,159 » Okay. Thank you very much, Director Fall and Director Hibborn. 385 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,919 » Thank you, Chair. I I concur with Director Elliot's comments. I mean, that 386 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:05,760 when you read the staff report attached to this agreement, it it uses phrases 387 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:12,000 like inadvertent overlook, right? This was not a mistake done uh on purpose. 388 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:15,200 This was not some big thing to be looking into. And if we want to solve 389 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:20,320 things, if we want to address issues that our residents care about, we should 390 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:25,440 be focusing on how to move this forward and resolve it, not trying to find 391 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:30,080 fault, not trying to dig up things or or make problems. I think we should look at 392 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:33,919 this agreement, look, realize that this agreement has been operating. We we are 393 00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:36,960 all aware that there have been services provided to these lands. We don't know 394 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,880 the exact lands, but we know there have been shared services that have been paid 395 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:45,440 for. We we probably can see it in the budget if we look and we haven't had 396 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:48,480 problems. We haven't had concerns. This is something if it hadn't been put 397 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:53,440 before us would not have been a concern. It's not a concern to our taxpayers. It 398 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,880 was an oversight that was a should have come before us. I don't dispute that. I 399 00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:01,200 do agree entirely that it should have come before us and that's the proper 400 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,320 process. But we need to find ways to constructively move this forward. The 401 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:08,799 agreement has already been in place two years. I think I I agree with uh the 402 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,880 idea that director Elliott said maybe if if another meeting is needed to discuss 403 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:18,240 this that's fine. We deal with it this term we try to put it behind us and we 404 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:22,159 and we put in place actions that will be constructive for the future so that if 405 00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:27,200 we are concerned if we as a board think that this needs a thorough review by the 406 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:32,720 board then we should put in place that process so that it happens next time. 407 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,600 But this we you know it wouldn't be it would be a real mess to try to change 408 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,679 this and by the time we changed it it would be another six months or a year 409 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:43,600 next board leaving them with a mess. I don't see any value in that. I see value 410 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:47,600 in trying to be to work together to constructively find a solution that 411 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:50,399 would serve our taxpayers and not be trying to point fingers too much about 412 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:55,440 this. Thank you chair. >> Well, thanks corporate officer. you have 413 00:33:53,039 --> 00:34:00,320 » Oh, I just wanted to say that this the agreement um 414 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:05,519 essentially has been in place since at least 2004 415 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:12,639 and the renewals have recurred regularly and I think it was an audit process that 416 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:19,200 showed that this stuff was m missed in this area but it was an oversight people 417 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:23,760 had thought that they had the proper authorities at that point in time when 418 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:28,960 it's Okay. Thank you, Director Gizmore. 419 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:35,520 » Thank you. Um, first of all, to clarify, um, looking at 11.2, 2. [clears throat] 420 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:39,679 The Hatch document Lond services agreement section FA 421 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,200 and the regional district have agreed that the regional district will provide 422 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:47,280 the services set out in schedule A of this agreement. The regional district 423 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:52,399 services to those portions of Tammen which have been designated or for 424 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:58,480 occupation by members and non-members of Tammen quote the designated lands also 425 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:03,760 known as Khani and South View leasehold lands. 426 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:07,359 I'm reading from the 11.2 report which has said Londland services agreement. 427 00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:11,359 This isn't the Londland services agreement. This is the Clani one. In the 428 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:15,280 agreement itself, it's referencing South View and Clani. And it's the exact same 429 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,640 services cuz when I went through this and read 430 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:23,359 the regional district services under section A, I was wondering where the L 431 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:31,920 sewer system was, but it's the exact same services for Khani. 432 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:38,480 And I reiterate not no criticism of Tom Nation. I think they've done their due 433 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:42,960 diligence. This agreement 2024 to 2028. And I get it. Maybe some people sign 434 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:47,359 things thinking that all the proper protocols have been followed. 435 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,920 But whenever I sign something, I read it first. 436 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:58,160 And when I'm reading this, it hasn't gone before the board. Now it has after 437 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,680 two years. And even if we were to say like, hey, we actually want to do make 438 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:05,839 some changes because the board is the ultimate authority of this organization. 439 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:08,800 That's what the voters put us as a responsibility. They say, hey, we're 440 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,160 going to elect our representatives to go in there and represent us. And if the 441 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,760 elected representatives don't know what's going on because it's being kept 442 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:20,320 from us or it's being signed on our behalf without our knowledge, I find 443 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:25,920 that unacceptable. I don't think that's good governance. And that's why I'm I've 444 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:31,359 lost confidence in the chair. And I look at this agreement, I agree 445 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,720 with it in principle, but there's a few things where I'm like, okay, why, you 446 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,880 know, I I can understand why there's a 45% reduction on the payment for general 447 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:44,079 administration services. Maybe it should be a 35%. That should be 448 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:48,640 up to the board prior to the agreement. I see the list of services on the back. 449 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:54,079 administration, regional parks, cemetery, solid waste management, 450 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:57,280 library, septage disposal. What about paratransit? What about the 451 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:02,160 social planning service? What about the subregional recreation service? 452 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,640 The board hasn't had a chance to put that forward as, you know, potential 453 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,079 considerations. These are the kinds of things that we should be discussing when 454 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,520 we hold C3s. We haven't had a C3 between the city, 455 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,280 the regional district, and Flomination in years. Even though we applied for a 456 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:22,720 grant, we got the grant, we spent the grant, didn't have a C3. 457 00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:26,640 And and I read this in section 26 says that the 458 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:31,200 board respectively taken all measures required by law to authorize the entry 459 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:34,000 of this agreement. We have not been we have not been compliant with this 460 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:39,680 agreement because the board hasn't been aware of it. And I'm looking around the 461 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:44,000 table going, I guess I'm kind of hearing a very clear picture of does this board 462 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:48,280 find this acceptable? This is a bigger issue than the 463 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,280 agreement. 464 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,920 » Director Lennox. >> Thanks, Chair. I understand this isn't 465 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:58,960 really comfortable, right? This is the tough business, but um I think it's 466 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:02,880 important that we we flush this out. I I think Director Fall hit it on the head, 467 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:08,000 right? And and others, we've all agreed we have to learn from our mistakes. And 468 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:12,000 so, the good news is our audit process caught it, right? Like I actually really 469 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,680 do understand more and more. I see director Paul naughty but I mean others 470 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:20,640 that I work with professionally do that QAQC and audit stuff and it matters and 471 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:26,000 it caught it. So this is a actually there's a little bit of a silver lining 472 00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:29,680 and and then from there on what my I have a lot of fears here right this is a 473 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:33,440 tough time especially in area A and in London this is what this is about and 474 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:37,680 again this is why I say like lack of information at the very least we need to 475 00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:41,280 wait until the next board meeting why because I hope people are paying 476 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:46,079 attention now lease holders and people that are like and non- lease holders 477 00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:53,359 like we lack of information leads to mistrust conspiracies and all sorts of 478 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:56,640 stupid behavior. And so like as we move ahead, Director Gizbborne put it very 479 00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:01,651 well like we should be talking about a whole host of other services. Lond water 480 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,560 being the top dog. I mean [clears throat] whether or not it's in 481 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,760 this one. It should have started back then. And if I'd have been aware of 482 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,720 this, guess what I would have put on the list? So who's running the bus? Like 483 00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:16,800 who's driving the bus? So what I'm saying is we have to you're right 484 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:22,079 directors all of you move productively out of this because I want to talk to 485 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:26,320 slam and tell them about about Lond water. Why? Because they're the major 486 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:31,040 business user. This is their future not just selfishly. We're in it together. 487 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:36,000 We're supposed to be. So like come on, right? Like so this is why I'm a little 488 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:41,359 upset about this is because with again a few days notice this is and again I 489 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:47,680 would humbly suggest that we do postpone this until our next board meeting and 490 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:52,079 and be quite uh maybe accepting of potential amendments 491 00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:55,119 because I people may come to me and say well what about this and what about that 492 00:39:53,599 --> 00:40:00,480 and as director Gizbborne and others have said well this formula you know 493 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,400 honest to goodness representation comes so thank Thank you for that. I'd like 494 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,960 you to hear from everybody else, but that's mad. 495 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:12,480 » Dr. South. >> Thank you, chair. 496 00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:15,720 The date of the signature, which I don't see here. 497 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:22,560 » That was signed, is July 2024, which is about two months before I I actually 498 00:40:21,562 --> 00:40:28,240 [clears throat] took a seat on the board. Now, I was an alternate before 499 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:32,800 that. So, pres I'm pointing at myself for I should have been 500 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:38,960 possibly more aware of what was really going on. When I did go through this um 501 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:44,560 and I saw that date, I made the assumption that as was suggested in the 502 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:51,760 report that you know this is and explained by our corporate officer that 503 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:58,480 this has um you know the due process and what was necessary what was appropriate 504 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:03,599 um was achieved. But and it's very interesting to hear 505 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:08,880 that this is a succession from a long time ago. 506 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:13,119 Doesn't even take that long ago for me. Um 507 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:18,319 even in the past five years, the contexts that we're working in have 508 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:26,000 changed drastically. Uh particularly six years. And I hearken back to COVID as 509 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:31,520 being a mark a time of mark change. um you go back a few more years and you get 510 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:37,040 to far greater change even. So the reason why I'm mentioning this is 511 00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:41,599 because um something I've just realized recently is 512 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:46,079 that perspective is scalable. I really respect particularly what uh 513 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:50,480 director Lennox all those questions that you've asked. These are very valid 514 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:55,200 questions. They're extremely valid in our current time right now and they're 515 00:41:53,119 --> 00:42:00,400 questions that if they aren't answered will be asked by others because now this 516 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:05,839 is a public meeting. So they need to be answered. But even two years ago, I 517 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:11,760 question whether these questions really would have been asked. And it certainly 518 00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:17,440 I'm assure I feel confident that there wouldn't have been the kind of um 519 00:42:14,879 --> 00:42:21,680 [sighs] serious uh they wouldn't have seemed as serious and I think that quite 520 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:28,480 possibly we would have asked them with quite a different um tenor. But we're 521 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:32,240 the way we need to ask these questions now is the way we need to ask these 522 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:37,920 questions now because this is now and that was then and again the risk of 523 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:43,520 repeating myself. You go back not too much more and I'm very sure that these 524 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:48,560 questions could have would have been answered with a whole different like way 525 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:52,720 way way less serious. So I really appreciate what director fall um 526 00:42:51,200 --> 00:43:00,480 suggested. Uh perhaps some um more information 527 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:06,960 could be provided to us by the next meeting at the end of um before the end 528 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:12,400 of this term which I think would for me would be entirely adequate to accomplish 529 00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:16,240 what we absolutely need to do right now which is continue [clears throat] 530 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:23,359 the business that's been going on obviously in order and you know what 531 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:28,880 appropriately and Well, but more some detail needs to be filled 532 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:33,359 in. I do accept that. Um and then subsequently commit to examining it more 533 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:38,960 thoroughly because everything needs to be examined more thoroughly apparently 534 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:43,280 um these days. That would be what I u would like to see happen and um I'd like 535 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:48,079 to see a motion. I'm not exactly sure what a motion would be to that effect. 536 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:54,319 basically minimal amount of information necessary by the next meeting and then 537 00:43:50,960 --> 00:44:00,640 specifically what director fall um suggested going forward past this 538 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:06,319 term. So I probably am asking for assistance from staff as to what might 539 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:11,680 be appropriate or if that really sounds like it would work. [clears throat] 540 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:17,200 comment on it after >> I think um 541 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:22,880 it likely wouldn't occur by next meeting there's 542 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:25,520 it just is too turn around given where our next meeting is 543 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:32,040 » um >> the fact that UBC is happening and and 544 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:32,040 auction process is underway 545 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:39,280 » well the part we could do is postpone this these two items to the next 546 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,839 meeting. Since we have emotional withdrawal, we have to rather than call 547 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:50,319 the question, we have to postpone. So that that could be one thing we could 548 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:55,200 do. Um if if directors want to bring forward um motions beyond ratification 549 00:44:53,200 --> 00:45:02,160 of this agreement um that could affect process in the 550 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:07,680 future, I suppose they could u get those on the agenda before the 551 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:11,920 deadline as you know new motions. somehow, but it wouldn't come as staff 552 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:18,560 report, you know, to be fair staff, they don't have that that ready and we're all 553 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:24,319 going to UBCM. And so that's that's hard to do all that. 554 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:29,920 So, um, the other thought I had was if we are hoping to discuss something other 555 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:34,400 than ratifying this agreement, then we should probably bump it to in Canada to 556 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,599 have that conversation because that could have legal ramifications and 557 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:42,960 weren't we're not supposed to talk about legal things in open when it comes to 558 00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:48,079 negotiating agreements between governments. And so, those were my 559 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:54,000 process thoughts. At this point in time, I'd be prepared to move the motion to 560 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:59,680 postpone to next week. I would ask for input from my office for putting it into 561 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:04,400 in camera uh maybe later this afternoon to ask a 562 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:10,079 few other questions that might have those implications. 563 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:15,839 And um that's that. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Um, 564 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,800 just make a quick comment, I guess, on my thoughts here. I mean, in two weeks, 565 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:24,240 we're not going to have any more information from staff that's been made 566 00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:30,960 clear given the heavy workload that we have that they have right now. Um, 567 00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:37,520 errors happen. I apologize for my part in this, but it I'm not perfect. I've 568 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:42,800 never claimed to be perfect. Um I tend to agree with director fall's 569 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:48,319 approach that we have an agreement in place that has been going on for more 570 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:54,720 than 20 years. So this isn't a new initiative that has occurred and I think 571 00:46:51,520 --> 00:47:02,880 to start making changes now would be kind of it would be very disruptive to 572 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:10,480 uh the situation and um I would be more inclined to support this 573 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:17,520 and then look at it more closely for the next goound. But generally 574 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:20,319 we rely on staff to engage in negotiations. That's not 575 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:23,920 really a governance thing. That's more of an administrative thing. And then 576 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:30,319 we're called upon to either approve it or disapp or not approve it. So I don't 577 00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:35,760 think that getting you know sitting down and trying to work it out 578 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:40,880 this board with the executive council from this is the right way to go. I 579 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:46,480 think at this point the right way to go is to vote in favor of these two motions 580 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:51,119 that we have in front of us with the caveat that the next time it comes 581 00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:58,000 around more information is provided to the board prior to it being signed. So, 582 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:02,480 I mean, as far as I know right now, we still have just the original motion on 583 00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:06,640 the table. And if there's no other comments to be made or no other motions 584 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,040 to be made or director, >> I have a comment chair, but I saw 585 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:13,040 director McCormack had her hand up. I don't know if she still has it up. 586 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:18,640 » Oh, sorry, Director McCormack. >> Yeah, thank you. Um, really just to say 587 00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:25,280 that I do agree with Director Th's approach. Um, I think it makes sense to 588 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:31,040 approve it now. Yes, it's not perfect, but it's not going to change for now. 589 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:37,920 It's halfway through the agreement. So, let it go. Let it be, but take a really 590 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:42,880 hard look the next time this comes up in 28 or whenever it is. And that's where 591 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:49,200 some really thorough discussions should be should take place. But my question 592 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:54,800 actually was about uh in camera because I'm I'm sensing because this is a lease 593 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:59,520 issue that we're treading on the boundary of what would be appropriate to 594 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:06,000 discuss in public and [clears throat] in camera. So I wouldn't mind um you know 595 00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:10,920 an opinion from staff regarding if it would be more appropriate to do this in 596 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,920 camera. 597 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:16,559 » Yeah. I mean, staff has decided that this was appropriate for an open. 598 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,520 » Yeah, we've already had the discussion. I think we're at the point where I'm 599 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,200 just going to call the question on the motion in front of us and we'll go from 600 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,200 there. Director Fall, you have one more comment or 601 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:29,680 » Yeah, I had one more comment. So, I'm I'm happy to vote on this. I'm happy to, 602 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:32,000 you know, I think it I don't see the likelihood [clears throat] 603 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:36,240 the difficulties of changing this would be hard. If if there's a strong feeling 604 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,800 to postpone it for until next meeting, that's not a problem either. This has 605 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:41,359 been, you know, something that got signed two years ago. So, there's no 606 00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:44,480 hurry either. if there's more comfort there. So, I'm okay either way. I'm not 607 00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:49,200 I'm not particularly worried about that, but I I do have a suggestion for 608 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:53,680 director Lennox perhaps uh to help maybe esage some of his concerns. And it's 609 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,440 that, you know, I think it would be nice if we could lay out a bit of the path 610 00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,880 for the next board. So they they kind of set things in motion and and what I'm 611 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:05,440 going to suggest and you know because I don't um I'm not running so I'm not even 612 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:09,280 going to be there next term uh that maybe director Lennox would consider 613 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:14,400 putting forth a notice of motion right now to something related to asking staff 614 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,520 for a report on timelines and and I'm happy to help director Lennox on such a 615 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:22,319 motion but I I could imagine next meeting in two weeks we could uh ask 616 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:26,720 staff not for information for and two weeks but put in you know plant that 617 00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:33,040 seed of asking staff for a report on timelines to review and and and engage 618 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:36,720 on on the renewal for the next renewal because I I when I'm the more I think 619 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:42,400 about it, the more I could imagine this the that review and and in the board and 620 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:47,440 maybe in camera maybe open and then with the Tatman and the other uh parties uh 621 00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:51,440 could take a long time. I mean that could take a year or more of meetings in 622 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:55,599 in elapsed in elapsed time in terms of meetings. So, so that's actually more 623 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,400 feasible to actually start and and get a timeline. So, maybe staff could put 624 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:02,880 their mind to think, well, if we wanted to do this by 2028, then you know, dot 625 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:07,280 dot dot and maybe it needs to start in, I don't know, in a year or something. I 626 00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:10,240 don't know. So, so that's just a suggestion to plant a seed just for 627 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,760 director Lennox. If you put in a mo notice of motion now, I'm happy to help. 628 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,680 And then a motion could come forward at next meeting. We could ask the staff for 629 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:21,440 that and then when that report came, it would it would come if it passed. So, 630 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:25,920 I'll leave it there. Dr. Warren, final comment. 631 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:29,040 » Yeah. Um, I guess [clears throat] I'm just a little confused because I heard 632 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:34,240 that this agreement's been in place for over 20 years, but the Plleman Nation 633 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:40,400 schedule CLAN achieved independence with the Clemen final agreement on April 5th, 634 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:44,800 2016. Prior to them signing treaty, the Plleman Nation lands were they weren't 635 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,960 treaty settlement lands. So, they were actually part of the regional district. 636 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:53,040 So I'm kind of confused of how we would have had an agreement with the Toman 637 00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:59,040 nation when the Toman nation wasn't really they weren't pretty settlement 638 00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:02,240 before 10 years ago. I guess that's kind of where my confusion is. And there's 639 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:07,680 another question that's kind of come up which is the designated lands. Um I know 640 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:13,280 some folks are curious about like what is the map? What is the um assessed 641 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:17,280 value? And as I believe Director F pointed out, this agreement has been in 642 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:22,000 place for the last two years. It's already been signed. So what is the rush 643 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:25,680 with making sure it gets done today because it didn't seem to be a rush over 644 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:31,760 the last two years. So I would actually move that we postpone this decision to a 645 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:38,319 future meeting and we get the information from our staff related to 646 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:44,280 the designated lands with a map and assessed value. I 647 00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:44,280 » second that. Any 648 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:51,200 discussion? Director L. 649 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:54,880 » Yeah, thanks chair. Um, I just I I think the points have been made there. 650 00:52:53,200 --> 00:53:00,000 Obviously, it hasn't, you know, we found an error. We've identified some some 651 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:04,960 gaps here. Like, we reviewed tribute policies. 652 00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:11,040 we take the time to like have us look at like minor policies that are, you know, 653 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:14,880 in my mind not super impactful, but we we should still be either approving or 654 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:19,760 not. So, please, I mean, this seems reasonable and it'll give people out 655 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:23,599 there in the community chance to digest and I think they would agree, yes, we're 656 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:29,839 probably not going to make any major changes, but and the points raised about 657 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:34,400 a notice motion, excellent. But right now, what is the big rush to get this 658 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:38,680 done today? So, I I support this motion. 659 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:44,880 » Um, I can support postponing to the next 660 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:50,800 meeting, but not postponing beyond that because it then leaves us um knowingly 661 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:54,880 in breach of an whereas before we weren't knowingly in breach. Being 662 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:59,839 knowingly in a breach of an agreement is part of the rush. Um, and so there is 663 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:04,480 legal risk affiliated with that. I don't know that we should necessarily discuss 664 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:09,760 all of that in an open meeting. So I'm kind of torn between 665 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:16,960 um explaining myself and not explaining myself because of the invitations there 666 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:22,880 potentially. Uh, so I could only support postponement to the next meeting which 667 00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:26,079 still gets it done as you know within a reasonable time of us being aware that 668 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:31,440 we're knowingly in breach that agreement. I don't see that making any 669 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:39,119 changes to this agreement at this point in time is without risk and therefore 670 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:44,400 the best uh solution for all of us is to uh accept that we have to ratify this 671 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:48,960 agreement and if we make any changes or want to make changes or get educated 672 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:55,640 better about what's happening that we have to do that for the next not this 673 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,640 um 674 00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:03,040 I Don't I don't agree with the motion because it it's not getting it done 675 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:07,839 before the end of this term. >> Okay. Director Southkat. 676 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:11,280 » Thank you. I can't support postponing because to make any sense it would have 677 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:17,119 to be postponed to the next term. That doesn't make any sense to me either. 678 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:22,559 We I think we've generally come to an agreement that information does need to 679 00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:30,960 we need to relook at this. I am satisfied with director fall's idea 680 00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:37,280 and I agree with u director Elliot that we just need to resolve this now because 681 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:41,760 we have no clear evidence that there is a problem other than the fact that we've 682 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:50,079 uncovered some things that we'd like to know more information about. Um I don't 683 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:53,280 consider that um adequate for me to wait till two weeks from now when we're not 684 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:58,880 really going to get any more anyway because we have UBCM next week anyway. 685 00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:03,040 So staff doesn't have time to really work anything that's going to make any 686 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:08,640 difference to to two weeks from now. So that's why I can't support postponement 687 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:12,640 of this motion for the moment. >> Okay, that [clears throat] 688 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:16,559 thank you chair. Um the motion to postpone to a future meeting is also 689 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:20,640 requesting the information which would have a map and the assessed value. I 690 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:24,240 don't think that should be overly ownorous if it is too difficult for our 691 00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:27,760 staff to have that in the twoe turnaround window. Uh that's why the 692 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,640 motion is not specific to the next meeting. It's for an upcoming meeting. 693 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,520 And with all discussion around the election coming up in the end of this 694 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:38,319 term, I'd like to remind everyone that the board is a continuous body that the 695 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:42,720 election doesn't nullify the actions of the previous board. We don't have to get 696 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:46,960 this done before the election. The board is continuous. If we don't if we 697 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:53,280 postpone this and it ends up coming before the next board, that's okay. If 698 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:58,160 there is an issue related to the enforcability of this document because 699 00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:01,599 of course there's an error in it that's been an error for two years. I'd like to 700 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:09,920 remind everyone that there's a dispute resolution under section 2021 22 23 24 701 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:14,960 and 25. So if the Colombian do feel that we are in breach for which we have been 702 00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:19,599 in for the last 2 years um there is a dispute resolution process and if that 703 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:24,960 is the case I believe that the chair at the time can call an emergency meeting 704 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:29,280 and call us together in short order but this motion is about getting the 705 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:34,240 information and making sure that it is the board that is making the decisions 706 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:38,640 for this organization. That's what this motion is about. And the board needs to 707 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:42,160 make informed decisions. This is about getting the information so 708 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:48,079 that the board will make an informed decision. And that's out of respect for 709 00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:52,799 the TAMAN, for our staff, and for our constituents. So, I'm in support of this 710 00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:59,440 motion because it's about getting the information that has been asked at the 711 00:57:55,839 --> 00:58:05,440 very beginning of this discussion. And I really don't support 712 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:11,680 just constantly approving things after the fact. The board needs to be the one 713 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:15,520 in control of this organization. Thank you. 714 00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:18,960 » I see no other hand. Oh >> too late. 715 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:23,599 » Yes. Apologies chair. One more question through. So the motion on the tables to 716 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:27,599 postpone to some a future meeting which may be more than two weeks maybe past 717 00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:32,160 the election and with the addition of two items of information. One is a map 718 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:36,240 of the lands associated with each agreement and the other is assessed 719 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:39,839 value. I can understand the map. I'm not so sure about the assessed value. 720 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:44,960 question I have to the chair. Is it feasible for either of those to be done 721 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:49,920 within two weeks or are both of those complicated enough that this would push 722 00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:55,040 it past the election? >> Officer, 723 00:58:52,160 --> 00:59:00,160 » thank you for the chair. Um, I'm looking at the work schedule plan for the next 724 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:04,640 three weeks and I' I can't I would never be able to 725 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:09,280 guarantee that it would be given all of the external appointments and scheduled. 726 00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:14,720 So, and it's not me that's doing this work. So, 727 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:20,160 I'm not able to guarantee that it'll be done in that time frame. And really, 728 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:24,240 just so we're clear, it's one week that we would have to turn that around in 729 00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:27,839 because that's when the agenda will be produced, 730 00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:31,839 » right? And I think that's where I I kind of get stuck on the assessed values. I 731 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:35,040 think the map is more likely in the sense that there's there must be a map 732 00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:40,480 out there. It's just here's the land. Whereas getting assessed values on land 733 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:45,200 that's lease hold, on land that's slott land, and so on, it seems more 734 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:49,760 complicated. So I um I I'll amend the motion and I'll make a motion to amend 735 00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:54,960 the motion to strike the uh the the the information regarding um the assessed 736 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:59,040 values. >> Okay. So you're amending the motion to 737 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,520 postpone. >> Yeah. 738 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,839 » So they would just include the map and not include the assessed values for the 739 01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:05,680 properties. >> Correct. 740 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,240 » Yeah. Because I think that's feasible within that's maybe more feasible. I 741 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,760 don't want to put the pressure on staff, but that seems possible. 742 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:17,040 » Okay. But we're still >> it's still an open-ended uh 743 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:23,839 postponement. So it's not specific to two weeks from now. 744 01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:26,880 » Yeah. I mean unless we well um I mean what I heard from staff is it's 745 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:30,799 difficult to put that. If we put that then it might not actually happen 746 01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:34,880 anyways. So >> well do we have a second for this 747 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:38,480 » amendment to the postponement motion? Dr. McCormack I believe said. Yeah. 748 01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:42,960 Okay. discussion on this one now. Director 749 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:48,079 Lennox follow um I totally get what you're trying to do. Reduce workload on 750 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:52,480 staff. Totally get it. But respectfully, isn't a majority of this like admin as 751 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:56,480 part of the cost? We should have this information from last year like we were 752 01:00:54,880 --> 01:01:02,880 saying that both of our staff are sharing these information in this report 753 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:08,240 about and class classes of of property too. So I don't like am I missing I 754 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:14,319 guess it takes a while but shouldn't that already have to interchange between 755 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:20,119 staff that's the whole purpose of love it 756 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,119 what am I missing 757 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,680 there's an answer to that 758 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:34,319 » okay uh I had director south first then director Elliott 759 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:37,520 » thank you chair Um, Director Elliott brought 760 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:42,319 made a comment that there's a question in my mind. Is there actually any 761 01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:45,920 liability to organization 762 01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:50,319 with this not being signed now that it's been presented here at the at this 763 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,319 meeting? officer. 764 01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:04,960 » I mean, it's been like this for a few years now. So, 765 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:09,040 » yeah, >> Director Gizbborne. 766 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:12,079 » Oh, thank you. Um, section Wait, I got to make sure I read 767 01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:16,000 » I'm sorry, I forgot. >> I apologize. Can you go after Director 768 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:21,839 Elliot? >> Um, thank you. Um 769 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:25,520 I think if we want to discuss things that are specifically 770 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:32,559 about legal liability issue going like we we can't really 771 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:41,040 » um for me uh the amendment still doesn't um move us forward in a 772 01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:47,119 timely fashion. Uh I believe that now that we know know that we're in in 773 01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:51,839 breach of an agreement that it It pretty much negates any ability to 774 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:57,280 make changes to this agreement no matter how much information we have. I do agree 775 01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:04,079 we should understand what we're approving and some of the questions you 776 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:08,720 have could easily be answered by people who know the background of what happened 777 01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:13,680 at treaty and what was before treaty. for example, uh reserve lands got got 778 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:18,880 transferred to treaty lands, but reserve lands were still governed by the the 779 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:25,593 same the nation. And so that's why those agreements could could stay virtually 780 01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:30,079 same. Um [sighs] 781 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:34,960 I don't think this amendment helps us make sure that we're addressing this uh 782 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:38,880 in a timely fashion. It looks as like we could be postponing it till after 783 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:43,280 Christmas pretty much. and I don't think that that's 784 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:49,839 reasonable. So unless the amendment to postpone is 785 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:55,520 to specifically next meeting which is this 23rd I think it is um I I would not 786 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:58,960 be voting in favor of a postponement that is indeed. 787 01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:05,839 » Good point. >> Thank you. The motion before us is to 788 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:06,880 remove the request for the assessed value. 789 01:04:06,859 --> 01:04:10,559 » [clears throat] >> That's my understanding is director 790 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:16,079 false put for a motion to remove the assessed value as part of the motion to 791 01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:19,520 postpone. Um, section five of the proposed agreement says, "For the 792 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:23,920 purposes of providing the regional district with a basis for determining 793 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:28,640 the annual service payment payable by Tlammen for the regional district 794 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:33,680 services, Tlammen shall on or before March 31st provide to the regional 795 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:38,960 district a summary by class of the most recently dated revised assessment role, 796 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:43,359 including the converted and net taxable values of land and improvements for 797 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:47,760 those properties located on both Kahani and south view roads that will be used 798 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:52,640 by Tlmen in that year as the basis for the taxation of the designated lands. 799 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:57,440 Talman shall also provide the regional district with a summary by class of the 800 01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:03,039 completed assessed role including land and improvements for the designated 801 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:06,960 lands prior to January 15th in each year during the term which shall be the basis 802 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,720 for a preliminary calculation of the annual service payment. In the 803 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:14,640 preparation of its assessment role, Twoman shall utilize a method of 804 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:20,000 calculating assessed values comparable to that used by the British Columbia 805 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:25,440 Assessment Authority. So I assume everyone's been complying with this 806 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:29,280 agreement and based on number five, that information should be in the possession 807 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:38,160 of the regional district of the most recent assessed role. So I am actually 808 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:42,799 opposed to removing this request because according to the agreement it should 809 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:47,680 already be in our possession and really I think having the map having the 810 01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:52,640 previous assessed role will help our board make sure that you know we're 811 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:56,319 making an informed decision. That's it. So I'm opposed to this motion because 812 01:05:54,319 --> 01:06:00,160 I'm asking for information which according to the agreement we should 813 01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:05,839 already have. Okay. So this is I'm not seeing any 814 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:12,240 other hands. So we are going to deal with the amendment which would remove 815 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:15,920 the uh the ask for BC assessment values on the properties. So I'm going to call 816 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:21,200 the question on the amendment to the postponement. 817 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:25,839 All in favor of the amendment. We have two three in favor. Any opposed 818 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:31,440 to the amendments? There are four opposed. So, the amendment doesn't pass. 819 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:35,119 Back to the motion of postponement. We've gone around this an awfully long 820 01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:41,039 time. So, I'm just going to call the question on that. Uh on the motion to 821 01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:49,520 postpone. All in favor? Two. Three in favor. Any opposed? 822 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:54,400 Four opposed. That does not pass. Um pardon. And now we're back to the 823 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:59,680 main motion. Again, we've been around this quite a few times. So, I think 824 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:03,599 we'll just call the question on the main motion. All in favor of the main motion 825 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:09,039 as is. We have four in fa five in favor. Any 826 01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:13,680 opposed? I guess opposed. So, we're going to 827 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:17,520 vote. Moving on to I have director. 828 01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:20,720 » Sure. >> Dave. 829 01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:27,280 » Yeah. Uh my question is the suggestion that uh director fall made. Um I wonder 830 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:32,000 if director fall intended there to be a motion of the suggestion. 831 01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:34,880 » Well, I was I was sort of suggesting just since I won't be here and I'm you 832 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:39,520 know I can do it but I mean I I think it's it's for area A primarily. So I 833 01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:42,960 would prefer if Director Lennox were to do it and I'm more than happy to help 834 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:48,000 but I was suggesting a notice of motion and then developing something to 835 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:51,200 » plant a Sure. Since we're talk I was going to wait till after the next one 836 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:54,960 but since we're talking about it now thank you director Paul that is quite 837 01:07:53,039 --> 01:08:02,319 appropriate. I will make a not motion for future meeting. Uh basically uh to 838 01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:08,480 ask staff to provide a routine uh service agreement uh review. Uh what did 839 01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:14,400 you write down? I can't read >> report on timelines for review of 840 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:18,960 » service agreements renewal. >> Fancier way to say it but yes. Okay. 841 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,440 Well, make sure that gets to the staff and 842 01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:26,159 » we will do I'll take you up on that offer. Thank you. 843 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:31,679 » Okay. Moving on to 11.2. Very similar situation here. So, 844 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:34,679 anybody interested in moving the recommendations 845 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:40,799 Elliot seconded by directors during this session is born. 846 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:44,560 » Yeah. I'd like to actually move that this be referred to staff and that staff 847 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:48,000 bring us the lone blend services agreement. Second that corporate 848 01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:52,880 officer, >> I think you might need to clear your 849 01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:57,920 cash. Um because mine is showing the lens the 850 01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:03,199 » Yeah, I believe mine is two. >> Yeah. So, so section F for me is showing 851 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:07,199 Flammen and the regional district have agreed that the regional district will 852 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:13,199 provide the services set out in schedule A to this agreement to those portions 853 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:17,920 situated in unincorporated area of Lond designated lands also known as the 854 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:24,960 lenlands that change mind the old 855 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:29,839 » I think was noted early on but we have heard reports that it's 856 01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:33,279 » even more helpful. >> This is the printed copy I printed this 857 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:37,120 afternoon and it says ratification of Colomin Nation Londland services 858 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:41,279 agreement and it reads Kahani and Southview leaseold lands and our 859 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:46,799 procedure bylaw says that these things need to be put and published within a 860 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:52,239 timely manner with enough time before our meetings. 861 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:58,480 » CO through the chair we discovered the error of the attachment today. Oh, 862 01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:04,080 » and the attachment was wrong. So you had a duplication of the same attachment on 863 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:08,159 two subsequent reports. So the correct attachment was put on 864 01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:14,080 today. Okay. So I haven't read I haven't read 865 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:19,280 this new attachment agreement because it is 866 01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:25,199 it is different than the one that I was reading this afternoon. 867 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:30,080 » C through the chair. Fair enough. My changes will be the uh 868 01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:35,000 is they would be distinct to the Londlands and so are treaty settlement 869 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,000 lands. 870 01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:44,960 Well, I don't like making rush decisions and quite often we need to be giving our 871 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:49,040 board as well as our public adequate information and notice before we make 872 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:53,600 these decisions. and any member of the public that was, you know, taking a look 873 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:59,120 at our agenda would not have actually able to read this agreement. So my 874 01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:02,080 motion I still believe I still think we should postpone this because we haven't 875 01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:08,320 given sufficient time. >> We have a second or 876 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:11,520 a second. Any discussion on the motion director Elliott? 877 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:15,920 » Uh is there a motion to postpone specific to the meeting that we have 878 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:19,760 scheduled to? >> Yeah. 879 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:26,880 Now that we actually have it. Okay. >> Any other comments on motion to postpone 880 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:29,880 to the final board meeting of >> 23rd? 881 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:37,280 No other comments? We'll call the question. All in favor? 882 01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:42,320 Any opposed? None opposed. 883 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:46,560 So, we'll have the basically the same thing in front of us, but we'll have the 884 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:52,960 uh the attachment that is included in the online version of today's agenda. 885 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:57,440 Uh, no bylaws, new business, inaugural regional board meeting time change. 886 01:11:55,520 --> 01:12:01,440 Director Elliot, >> that's a thing. I'm just going to change 887 01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:05,679 I suggest that the motion be that the board change the time of the November 888 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,199 5th inaugural meeting and just authorized staff. 889 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,960 » Okay. is removing authorized staff from >> the board has the authority to change 890 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,560 it. >> Yeah. 891 01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:17,514 » I move that the board change the time of the November 5th. 892 01:12:15,494 --> 01:12:17,514 [laughter] 893 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:24,320 » Elliot and Gizbborne. Um 894 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:31,199 any discussion? See none. All in favor? 895 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:34,239 Passes. Unanimous. Period. Mr. Linsky. Any questions? 896 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:38,000 » Uh yes, Chair. Uh just one. I'm wondering if there's any institutional 897 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:41,000 recollection of how the oversight occurred. 898 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:45,880 » I don't know it. 899 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,560 » No, >> it's not something I can answer. 900 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:54,000 » Not something that we could answer at this time. 901 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:59,280 » I thank the chair for that. I have no further questions. 902 01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:04,800 » Sure. Um any other questions? Seeing none, uh we we're have an in camera 903 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:10,239 session. So, somebody like to move that >> director Lennox. 904 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:14,679 All in favor? Let's go in. 905 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,679 » Hi, Roger. 906 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:05,920 recording in progress. >> Hey, we are back from the in camera 907 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:10,239 session. The board would like to rise and report on the following items. Uh as 908 01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:14,239 authorized and subject to the conditions set below. 909 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:18,000 Um, the board appointed Jack Barrett to the Luski Island Solid Waste Plan 910 01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:23,040 Monitoring and Advisory Committee for a term expiring December 31st, 2026. And 911 01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:26,880 the board directed staff to author a letter of thanks to Julie Clark for her 912 01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:32,400 service to the Texas Island Recreation Commission. With that, we've reached the 913 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:36,520 end of our agenda. We are adjourned. Thank you very much for joining us.