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We are gonna bring this meeting back to order.

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Alright, good evening folks.

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Welcome to the Queen Anne County Commissioner's meeting.

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This is a public meeting.

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This is being aired on aired live on our local cable

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television station, QA CTV seven.

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These media broadcasts provide county citizens an

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opportunity to watch

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and participate in our scheduled public meetings.

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In addition to our live audience this evening,

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we are providing remote options for citizens to watch

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and participate in county commissioner meetings.

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Citizens may watch our meeting live on our website at

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qac.org/live or on our public access television channel

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provided by Breeze Line Cable Services.

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Citizens may also participate

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by joining the live Zoom meeting by going

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to qac.org/public comment

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and citizens may also email comments

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to public comment@qac.org

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and all comments received will be summarized

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during the present public comment period.

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On tonight's agenda, we acknowledge everyone's participation

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and by attending you acknowledge

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that this session is both recorded and aired pressing.

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Public comment will be taken

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and is limited to three minutes per person.

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If you do care to speak, please sign up at the information

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table in the lobby

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and comments longer than three minutes can be submitted in

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writing for the commissioner's review.

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We will now stand and be led in the Pledge

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of Allegiance by commission.

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President Jim Moran,

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible

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with Liberty Justice Strong

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All commissioners.

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That brings us to the approval

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of our agenda for this evening.

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So the agenda for today's meeting, June 30th, together

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with the regular session minutes, the Rhodes Board minutes

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and the closed session minutes from the June 9th meeting

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have been circulated for review.

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Any additions or corrections?

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Nope. Motion to approve the agenda as submitted

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and all three sets of meetings as submitted.

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Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye.

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Opposed for one?

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Commissioner IL's on assignment. So. Alright.

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Thank you. Commissioner Maria,

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Have Commissioner McLaughlin on the, on the TV screen

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and the rest of us are right up front.

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Okay. Okay.

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Commissioners, we just held a closed session under the

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general provisions articles Section 3, 3 0 5 B one

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for boards and commissions and personnel.

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Section 3 3 0 5 B seven to consult with council

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and section 3 3 0 5 B three for land acquisition.

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So I do think we have some board appointments and one on

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Motion.

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I move to a appoint Douglas Jenkins

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to fill the vacancy on the board of electrical examiners.

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This term will expire on June 30th, 2030. One second.

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We have a motion to second Any discussion? See none.

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All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed?

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So moved four zero

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The housing authority.

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We're gonna hold that. Yeah,

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Hold that.

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And you at 26 13.

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And then I move to withdraw county ordinance 26 dash 13

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and to develop a policy regulating all signs on county

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property without permission.

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Does that mean second?

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Yeah, we have a motion to second on this item.

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Any discussion? Seeing none.

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All those in favor signify as aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye.

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So moved.

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Okay. Alright. Thank you commissioners.

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That brings us to press and public comment.

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So we appreciate all citizens taking time to express views

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to the county commissioners Comments are limited

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to three minutes per person comments longer than three

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minutes can be submitted in writing

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this commission in respects your desire

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and right to convey your message freely.

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When you come forward, please speak clearly at

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the standing microphone.

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State your name, your address, and your topic of interest.

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And in keeping with the dignity of our office, we ask

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that all views be expressed in a

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respectful and civil manner.

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First up is Eric. True?

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Eric Truitt. Zero. Southville Cemetery Road. Millington.

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So I have a farm in Queen Anns County here

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and I'm trying to get a permit to put a shipping container.

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I've been a month and a half trying to get this permit.

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I have a irrigation machine that I'm trying to set up

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and the electronics are gonna go in the ear in the

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shipping container and I'm outta stu.

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There's no accountability at the permit

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office you call up there.

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Nobody has no idea what they're doing.

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I can't even have a refrigerator to get a drink there.

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There's no house there. It's just a farm.

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Wanna keep some tools in there.

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Stuff that I use every day

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and I'm not sure what my next step will be.

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Any advice?

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You took the right step coming here. Yeah,

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Well I called you last week

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but I never got a call back. Oh,

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Left you a voicemail.

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Very good. Okay. Yep, you got it.

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Front row, you got it right.

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She'll be happy to talk to you. Okay,

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Is it Michelle? Is it Beaver Aver? I'm sorry.

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Hi, my name is Michelle Ver

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and I am the Democratic candidate for Maryland

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District 36 here.

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And I am here today to introduce myself

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and to let you know why I am running and why I'm here today.

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So I'm running because I believe that the people

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and the government have become too far removed from each

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other and it's about time that the people we elect

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for our government represent the people

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that they're there to represent.

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The reason I'm here today is

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because we have a lot of legislation that's coming out

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of Maryland that is one size fits all,

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that really just doesn't work here in our district.

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And I want to make sure that I am talking with county

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commissioners as well as the local town mayors

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and such to make sure that any legislation

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that is being considered is appropriate here

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in District 36.

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And if it's not then I can go and fight to have it changed

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or have our district removed from

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the legislation altogether.

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Thank you. Thank

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You Marty McKenzie,

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I am going to defer to the second round

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of comments. Okay, thank

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Alright, thank you. That's all signed up.

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Would anybody else like to speak? See none.

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We'll close press on public comment. All.

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All right commissioners, we can move into the

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legislation portion of tonight's agenda.

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So we have two public hearings.

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The first one is a public hearing on county ordinance 26

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dash five supplemental standards for gas stations

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and this is a citizen sponsored text amendment.

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So Mr. Thompson here we will offic officiate the hearing

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and we have Stephanie Jones from

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the planning office as well.

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If there's any questions

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Ready At the regular meeting on

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May 26th, 2026,

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commissioner Moran introduced county ordinance 26 0 5

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a bill entitled an act concerning supplemental standards

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for gas stations to include fuel pumps,

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underground fuel storage tanks and islands

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and canopies in Queen Anne County for the purpose

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of reducing the required distance between an entrance

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exit to a gas station to any intersection from a hundred

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to 75 feet, providing how such distances be measured

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and generally addressing and dealing with gas stations

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and exits by amending section 18 1 58 B

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the code of public local laws of Queen S County.

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This hearing is being held Tuesday,

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June 30th, 2026 at 5:40 PM in the county Commissioner

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reading Room, Liberty Building 1 0 7 North Liberty

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Street, Centerville, Maryland.

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The proposed amendment received an unfavorable

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recommendation from the Planning Commission

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at the May 14th, 2026 Meeting.

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Copies of the proposed ordinance have been available

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to the county commissioner's office

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during normal business hours

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and online in the county website speakers,

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speakers will be limited

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to the three minutes each written t on the event length

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could be submitted on

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before the hearing date to the county commission.

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Hearing sites are accessible to individual with visibility,

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sideline and interpreters

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and assistance listing assistance are available.

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Part of the record the proceeding will be a certificate

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of publication indicating that notice

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of the hearing was published for two consecutive weeks

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in bay on record observer newspapers of general circulation

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in Queen Edge County as well as the recommendation

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of the Queen Edge County Planning Commission.

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First person I have signed up is Joe Ano

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we're gonna bring in, bring that around there.

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Would the applicant Sit at

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The front or would you rather that the applicant

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You could speak right there and to three minutes.

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So I'm Brendan Mullany, I'm applicant for the I call

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Judge Ano.

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I represent Mr. Cus Now,

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Well you're also listed here.

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Would you prefer that Mr. Cus goes first?

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No, he, but if he wants to speak,

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now's the time. Understood.

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Okay, so I'm I'm Brendan Mullany.

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I am counsel for three Cs LLC, which is the owner of a,

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of a property at 1104 Price Station Road.

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Like all citizen sponsored text amendment.

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This text amendment is proposed

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to solve a problem in the county.

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This applicant

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that brought forward this text amendment owns a 6.8 acre

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property that is zoned VC and there is a, a local

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and minor road intersection that is essentially a sand road

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that intersects a, a minor collector

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that is 81 feet curb to curb away from the entrance

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to this property.

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The property owner brought a conditional use application,

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which in, in the VC district, the convenience store

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with fuel pump use, which is proposed for this property,

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is permitted by conditional use approval.

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The applicant submitted the conditional use application

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and was told that the 100 foot dimension from entrance

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to intersection applied to the application.

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So we quickly supplemented the conditional use application

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with a variance to allow the reduction from 100

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feet to 81 feet.

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that supplemental standards in the zoning ordinance cannot

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be subject to a variance application

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and approval by the Board of Appeals.

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So that decision was appealed.

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It went to the Board of Appeals, I think last month

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and the board of appeals found two to one that they agreed

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with staff we're waiting on the written decision from that.

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But in the meantime, because frankly we have no interest in

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litigation related to

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what we believe is an erroneous legal conclusion related

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to whether or not the applicant here can seek a variance,

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we applied for the citizen sponsored text amendment to allow

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reduction and frankly to change what was the black

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and white letter of what was submitted for was

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to reduce the 100 feet to 75 feet.

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I believe that your packages for tonight include a variety

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of materials and memos that were submitted by

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the applicant here and by my office.

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One of those is I think 13 examples of convenience stores

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with fuel pumps that have entrances less than 100

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feet from intersections.

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Another is a memo that we submitted

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to the planning commission, responding to some of staff's

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concerns about the proposed text amendment.

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And this applicant has no intention

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or desire to propose anything that

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opens the flood floodgates to something

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that isn't good for the county.

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They, they have a property that is unique in

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that it has an intersection 81 feet from its entrance

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and there is no viable path based on staff's position

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that we can't seek a variance to get a convenience store

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and fuel pump on this property even going through the Board

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of Appeals variance process.

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So we went to the, let's

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Finish got the three minutes now go ahead

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And finish it.

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I'll be as brief as I can.

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We, we went to the planning commission and staff

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and the planning commission's counsel told them you are not

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to consider anything outside of the strict text

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that was applied for when this goes to the commissioners,

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the commissioners can do with it what they want.

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So our intention tonight is to come to you all and say

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and ask, we proposed in the materials that were submitted

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to the Planning Commission, a number of different approaches

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to accomplish what we would like to one of them.

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And and the one that I'm the biggest proponent of is

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not have this be a reduction countywide from 100 feet

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to 75 feet because I think staff's concern is

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any property in the county would then be available for

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an entrance within, within a hundred feet,

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no, no closer than 75 feet from local nearby intersections.

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What we would ask the commissioners to consider is

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applying this reduction only in the VC district.

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And the reason why I think that would be prudent is

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fuel pumps and convenience stores are only permitted in the

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VC district with conditional use approval.

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So an applicant, a property owner has to go in front

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of the board of appeals for the county

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and demonstrate that there are not any unique

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and adverse impacts at the location

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where the convenience store and fuel pumps are proposed.

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So if the text were changed

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to say in the VC district only in all other districts

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where fuel pumps are permitted,

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the 100 feet would still apply.

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The, the dimension to intersections from the entrance

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to properties can be no closer than 75 feet.

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An applicant still has to go through the process

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of conditional use approval with the Board of Appeals

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where they consider any unique

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and undue adverse impacts on local properties

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or local roadways.

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And one of the things that the, that the Board

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of Appeals is tasked with considering is any undue threats

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to the health and safety of citizens in the area.

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So that was, that was one of the approaches.

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The another was Mr.

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You your Tom so

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Understood.

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We ask that you consider something reasonable

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and, you know, discuss this amongst yourselves to try

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to recognize the problem that we're trying to resolve

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with this citizen LED T amendment. Thank you

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Mr.

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Co honor, did you want to honor

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Joe Ano one of the owners of three Cs.

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I, I bought the property with my dad, my brother.

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We bought this four years ago.

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We're trying to make something of it.

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It's an existing commercial property, it's sitting vacant.

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We have a lot of citizen support.

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We submitted a bunch of letters from all the

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neighbors, they all want this.

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We're hung up on being too close to dirt road.

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We're four years in, it's costing us a lot of money

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and you know, all we gotta do is get past this code section

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and we still have to fight the Board of Appeals

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and get through a whole nother process just to get close

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to getting approved to open a gas station.

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So, you know, we're willing to work with anybody we can

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to make this happen.

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Thank you. Thank Jay Stead.

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Good evening Commissioners.

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Jay Alstead, queen and Conservation Association.

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We oppose this ordinance

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and ask that you accept your planning commission's guide.

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Unfavorable recommendation on this really for a couple

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of reasons, both safety and environmental in our view

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and on the safety.

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I know the applicant mentioned

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that there are other gas pumps within the community

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that are less than 75 feet and that is true,

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but those are typically within the municipalities.

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So Southville, Millington, Churchill, Centerville,

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they all have pumps that are right near the roadway.

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The difference is between what they want to do

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and those, the pumps that are in those areas are one,

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they're in a municipality, the speeds are much, much slower.

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This section near 3 0 1 is totally different.

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And so at the very least, I hope

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what you'll consider doing is

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asking guidance from the fire

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marshal public works.

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Just try and get a better handle on the safety dimension of

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how this particular application

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could affect all of the county.

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I have to say, in some ways this feels like a little bit

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of a backdoor way of spots zoning

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because if the 100

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foot limit is right now countywide, basically

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what we're doing is we're trying

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to accommodate a single landowner,

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but it opens the door to every,

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every other area around the county.

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And so it's a little bit odd for those reasons.

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I hope you'll reject it very.

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Finally, the applicant mentioned the Board of Appeals.

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I have to tell you, anything that comes

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before the Board of Appeals under the standard

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of Schultz v PRTs, they would have to show that somehow

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or the, the anybody

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that opposes this particular project would somehow have

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to show that this is totally different than everything else.

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Having testified before the board or

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before the, the Appeals Board, on numerous occasions,

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nearly every single application has passed.

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And so I would not put a whole lot of faith that the,

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that the Board of Appeals would somehow

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be able to reject this.

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So for those reasons I just ask

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that you support the planning commission's guidance

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and give this an unfavorable recommendation.

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Thank you.

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Oh zero close

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Evening commissioners.

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I have a couple farms towards Ingleside in that area

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and like many people over there have always wanted something

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to get, you know, closer than Churchill for fuel and or food

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or just small, you know, necessities.

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So it's always been a, a wish of many of ours in that area

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to have something good on that corner.

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It's a great little spot.

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I mean I come through there all the time.

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There's a railroad track, people are always

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driving slow through there.

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I mean 3 0 1 is what it is right there,

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but there's nothing from Queenstown to Middletown

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and this is the only good place for it.

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And it's a, you know,

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it's just a shame that it's sitting there. So thank you.

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Thank you. That's everyone signed up.

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Is there any other public comment on county ordinance

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26 0 5? Yeah,

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But I might have signed, I didn't sign it.

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That's okay. Good evening.

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This is kind of strange to me

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'cause I'm usually up here asking for something for myself,

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but I'm not, this time, I'm just here as a citizen.

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I, I know the applicants.

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I know the property I drive by him. Name, name, name, name.

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Oh, Jim Dedo, Queenstown, sorry,

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I'm not a hundred percent up to speed on all the, the issues

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with the property, but I do know that we drive, you know,

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3 0 1 a lot to Delaware up to Pennsylvania

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and it's an awful long road from,

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from Queenstown all the way to Middletown if you do need

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to stop for gas or something like that.

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And I, I think just from a, a perspective of a citizen,

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it would be nice to be able to, to have someplace that,

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you know, you could stop, get gas if

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you have to pull over something like that.

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'cause it's a, it's a long stretch of road.

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So again, if there's something, I mean if the county sees it

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as, as an opportunity to,

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to revitalize an existing commercial property,

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I think it would be well received by, you know,

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citizens plus anybody that's driving through,

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if they spend any money there at all,

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it stays in the county versus going to Delaware,

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which I think that's probably where it's going right now.

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So from a tax perspective, I think that's probably a bonus.

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Like I said, I I have no interest, I have no

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interest in the property whatsoever.

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I just, but I would support seeing it developed if,

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if there's a way, if it's not this way,

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maybe there's another way you guys can recommend

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that it, that it goes through.

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So thank you very much.

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Thank you. Anybody else wanted pass testify?

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All right, we'll keep the record open for two weeks.

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Alright, Thank you.

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All right, commissioners also on your legislative tab.

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Item two, page two. This is public hearing county ordinance

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26 0 6.

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This is another citizen sponsor text amendment.

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This is for maximum impervious surface ratio for commercial

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and industrial uses in the suburban commercial district

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that were operating prior to December 31st, 2025.

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Mr. Thompson,

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This is the public hearing being held on county ordinance

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number 26 0 6 A bill

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and Plato an act concerning an increase

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to the max maximum impervious surface ratio for commercial

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and industrial uses in the suburban commercial

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SC district, which were an operation prior

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to December 31st, 2025 in Queen Edge County,

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Maryland for the purpose

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of increasing the maximum impervious surface ratio

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for commercial industrial use

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uses in the suburban commercial zoning district,

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which were in operation prior

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to December 31st, 2025 from

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0.45 45% to 0.80

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80% by amending section 18 1 21 E

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two A, one of the code of public local laws

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of Queen AIDS county.

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This hearing's being held Tuesday,

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June 30th, 2026 at 5:45 PM

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County Commission meeting room,

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Liberty Building 1 0 7 North Liberty Street Centerville.

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Opposed ordinance received an unfavorable recommendation

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from the planning commission that the May 14th, 2026 meeting

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copies of opposed ordinance

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have been available at the county commissioner's office

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during normal business hours.

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And online on the county website speakers will be limited

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to three minutes each written testimony of any, any length

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could be submitted on

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before the hearing date to the county Commissioners.

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All hearing sites are accessible, individual

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with disabilities, sign language interpreters

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and assistive listening systems are available.

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Part of the record of this proceeding will be a certificate

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of publication indicating the notice of the air, the publish

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for two successive weeks and the Bay Times

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and record observer of newspapers are general circulation in

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Queen Edge County as well as a recommendation

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of the Queen Edge County Planning Commission.

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Jay Fett

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Ninth's Daily Double Commissioners, Jay Fett,

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queen Ann Conservation Association.

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Once again, this is one of those issues where

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I hope you'll accept your planning

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commission's recommendation.

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But it also raises the question

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of just stormwater generally in Queen Anne's County.

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And right now we're making progress in

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waters that reach the bay.

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Agriculture is making progress.

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The one area where we're sliding backwards

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has to do with storm water.

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And so I hope we can find ways to accommodate some

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of these projects that are coming up while at the same time

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addressing some of the storm water issues

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in doing an AI review tonight.

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I just wanna put this on the record

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because it does give everybody a little bit of hope.

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I think I ask AI

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whether there was substantial construction costs

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increase in going

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with impervious surfaces over traditional parking lots.

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And here's what it said, opting

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for a pervious layout can ultimately make a project 12

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to 38% cheaper overall

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because it completely eliminates the need

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for expensive underground

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and storm water sewers, catch basins

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and retention bonds and then going further.

529
00:26:14,275 --> 00:26:16,965
Traditional parking lots must route water

530
00:26:17,225 --> 00:26:20,645
to dedicated land consuming stormwater retention basins,

531
00:26:21,645 --> 00:26:24,565
previous or pervious pavement is the basin

532
00:26:25,185 --> 00:26:27,565
saving valuable land for parking spaces

533
00:26:27,865 --> 00:26:29,205
or for building footprints.

534
00:26:29,545 --> 00:26:31,005
And so I mentioned that just

535
00:26:31,005 --> 00:26:34,805
because Atkins Arboretum has a a great parking lot

536
00:26:34,815 --> 00:26:39,245
where it's pervious water drains through,

537
00:26:39,505 --> 00:26:41,725
it does not sheet off into the local creek

538
00:26:42,025 --> 00:26:45,605
and it is a good environmental aspect to have.

539
00:26:45,905 --> 00:26:48,885
And so if you're looking towards approving these types

540
00:26:48,905 --> 00:26:51,725
of projects, I hope we can find ways to

541
00:26:52,515 --> 00:26:56,165
find better mitigation standards that go beyond our code

542
00:26:57,425 --> 00:27:00,485
in preventing some of these toxic waters from reaching the

543
00:27:00,485 --> 00:27:01,685
Bay and the tributaries.

544
00:27:02,275 --> 00:27:03,845
With that, thank you. Thank you.

545
00:27:05,905 --> 00:27:07,725
Be honor person signed up.

546
00:27:08,885 --> 00:27:11,045
I did know I had signed twice. Could you forgive me?

547
00:27:11,085 --> 00:27:12,765
I represent the applicant here as well. Sure.

548
00:27:13,365 --> 00:27:16,525
Brendan Malaney, 100 Northwest Street East in Maryland here

549
00:27:16,525 --> 00:27:18,205
on behalf of three parties.

550
00:27:18,485 --> 00:27:20,325
Chesapeake Boat Lift service, Chesapeake Family

551
00:27:20,405 --> 00:27:21,645
Flooring in the middle of Kingstown.

552
00:27:22,155 --> 00:27:25,045
This again is a a text amendment that was brought forward

553
00:27:25,825 --> 00:27:28,565
by three businesses that are operating in the county today

554
00:27:28,625 --> 00:27:30,965
to address a very real problem

555
00:27:31,035 --> 00:27:33,805
that businesses are facing in the SC zoning district.

556
00:27:34,115 --> 00:27:36,365
Currently the lot coverage,

557
00:27:36,385 --> 00:27:39,965
the total maximum impervious surface in the SC zoning

558
00:27:40,245 --> 00:27:41,445
district is 45%.

559
00:27:42,835 --> 00:27:46,845
That doesn't just include asphalt and buildings

560
00:27:46,845 --> 00:27:49,965
and gravel, it also includes all parking areas,

561
00:27:49,965 --> 00:27:52,285
whether they're on grass impervious pavers.

562
00:27:52,665 --> 00:27:54,325
It also includes all lay down

563
00:27:54,345 --> 00:27:58,685
and storage areas, even if they are on vegetated land cover.

564
00:27:58,745 --> 00:28:00,365
And that comes out of the county code.

565
00:28:00,365 --> 00:28:05,165
Unfortunately, staff has interpreted that to, to include all

566
00:28:05,165 --> 00:28:08,605
of those areas even if they're vegetated the,

567
00:28:08,705 --> 00:28:11,365
the proposal was aligned with a couple

568
00:28:11,365 --> 00:28:14,165
of other zoning districts in the county

569
00:28:14,475 --> 00:28:19,445
that allow 80% maximum coverage to give the most flexibility

570
00:28:19,745 --> 00:28:23,045
to my clients, the property owners.

571
00:28:23,945 --> 00:28:26,325
And one of them is a tenant in the county

572
00:28:26,665 --> 00:28:29,085
who operate businesses and are looking to expand

573
00:28:29,085 --> 00:28:31,685
and invest in the properties in order to do so.

574
00:28:31,935 --> 00:28:34,205
Oftentimes that means enlarging buildings,

575
00:28:34,585 --> 00:28:37,485
it means enlarging parking areas growing their business.

576
00:28:37,585 --> 00:28:40,245
So this would be a vote if this should be modified

577
00:28:40,345 --> 00:28:42,085
to support businesses in the county.

578
00:28:43,805 --> 00:28:46,445
Recognizing that the planning commission was told only

579
00:28:46,685 --> 00:28:50,245
consider the 80% we had submitted a modified proposal.

580
00:28:50,265 --> 00:28:52,125
If it is more palatable to the county

581
00:28:52,945 --> 00:28:57,005
to propose an increase from 45% to 65%,

582
00:28:58,555 --> 00:29:00,405
that would be consistent with

583
00:29:00,405 --> 00:29:03,525
what is permitted in the suburban industrial district.

584
00:29:03,555 --> 00:29:05,685
This again is the suburban commercial district.

585
00:29:05,745 --> 00:29:08,285
So you'd go from 45% to 65%

586
00:29:08,665 --> 00:29:11,805
and would give much needed flexibility to

587
00:29:12,725 --> 00:29:14,245
businesses like the ones I represent

588
00:29:14,245 --> 00:29:15,645
and throughout the county that are in

589
00:29:15,645 --> 00:29:16,885
the SC zoning district.

590
00:29:17,285 --> 00:29:21,205
I also think it's important to note that only 202

591
00:29:21,945 --> 00:29:26,885
of the 27,375 properties in the county

592
00:29:26,945 --> 00:29:28,045
are zoned sc.

593
00:29:28,105 --> 00:29:30,205
So this is not something that I believe is going

594
00:29:30,205 --> 00:29:32,205
to open the floodgates countywide.

595
00:29:32,265 --> 00:29:35,365
It is a moderate increase in proposed lot coverage.

596
00:29:36,465 --> 00:29:40,205
The 80% that was proposed eliminated all

597
00:29:40,205 --> 00:29:44,805
of the non-conforming situations on SC zoned properties

598
00:29:44,805 --> 00:29:46,125
that my office could find.

599
00:29:46,125 --> 00:29:48,165
There are only three properties that we could find

600
00:29:48,515 --> 00:29:50,725
that are significantly over that 80%.

601
00:29:51,065 --> 00:29:56,005
And again that that does not include my aerial

602
00:29:56,025 --> 00:29:59,725
review, does not include the landscape lay down

603
00:29:59,745 --> 00:30:01,365
or parking areas that businesses

604
00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:02,605
use to support their business.

605
00:30:02,605 --> 00:30:06,285
That was only gravel, asphalt, and structures.

606
00:30:08,065 --> 00:30:12,365
If the 65% were to be found acceptable to the commissioners,

607
00:30:12,875 --> 00:30:15,925
that would eliminate all

608
00:30:15,985 --> 00:30:19,285
but 12 of the non-conforming situations that we found.

609
00:30:19,345 --> 00:30:22,485
The total non-conforming situations that we found were 39

610
00:30:22,905 --> 00:30:25,565
of the 202 SC zoned properties.

611
00:30:27,145 --> 00:30:29,245
We believe that this is a reasonable increase.

612
00:30:29,315 --> 00:30:31,085
It's consistent with other zoning districts

613
00:30:31,085 --> 00:30:33,445
that are similar, similarly situated in the county

614
00:30:33,905 --> 00:30:35,685
and solves a problem

615
00:30:35,795 --> 00:30:39,205
that real businesses in the county are facing right now

616
00:30:39,205 --> 00:30:42,085
that's preventing them from operating their companies.

617
00:30:42,345 --> 00:30:44,805
So ask that you discuss this

618
00:30:44,825 --> 00:30:47,645
and look at it favorably, modify it within reason

619
00:30:47,985 --> 00:30:50,285
and move it forward. Thank you. Thank you.

620
00:30:51,225 --> 00:30:56,125
Any other testimony on county ordinance 25 0 6? Yes ma'am.

621
00:30:59,035 --> 00:31:00,205
Good evening commissioners.

622
00:31:00,265 --> 00:31:02,285
My name's Annie Richards, I'm your Chester River keeper.

623
00:31:02,365 --> 00:31:04,165
I look forward to speaking with you in just a few minutes,

624
00:31:05,025 --> 00:31:08,125
but I just wanted to share Sho River's concerns with this

625
00:31:08,765 --> 00:31:10,205
particular county ordinance.

626
00:31:11,465 --> 00:31:15,445
As Mr. Fall said, mentioned in from QACA impervious surface

627
00:31:15,585 --> 00:31:17,165
is a major contributor to stormwater

628
00:31:17,165 --> 00:31:18,525
runoff to our waterways.

629
00:31:20,165 --> 00:31:22,765
I participate in a lot of work groups for state legislation

630
00:31:22,765 --> 00:31:24,565
and something that NGOs

631
00:31:24,565 --> 00:31:26,365
and environmental partners talk a lot about is how

632
00:31:26,365 --> 00:31:28,965
to help counties meet their MS four permit goals.

633
00:31:29,385 --> 00:31:32,965
And so when we consider a major impervious surface increase

634
00:31:32,965 --> 00:31:36,525
in zoning close to double in this situation, one

635
00:31:36,525 --> 00:31:38,845
of the concerns that is flagged for me is

636
00:31:39,025 --> 00:31:42,765
how will the county quantify what that increase will mean

637
00:31:43,025 --> 00:31:45,645
for the increased water loads for in terms

638
00:31:45,645 --> 00:31:47,085
of meeting your MS four goals.

639
00:31:48,195 --> 00:31:51,765
Also, DNR has long supplied information

640
00:31:51,765 --> 00:31:54,445
and research that shows that when a county

641
00:31:54,505 --> 00:31:59,325
or when a sub watershed goes 5% impervious surface,

642
00:31:59,475 --> 00:32:02,765
five to 10% in impervious surface, you start

643
00:32:02,765 --> 00:32:04,845
to create conditions in the local streams

644
00:32:05,025 --> 00:32:09,405
and sub watersheds that plummet dissolved oxygen levels

645
00:32:09,545 --> 00:32:11,165
and impact fishery habitat.

646
00:32:11,225 --> 00:32:12,285
So essentially you start

647
00:32:12,285 --> 00:32:14,965
to massively eliminate the biodiversity of fish

648
00:32:14,995 --> 00:32:16,805
that can exist in that waterway.

649
00:32:17,225 --> 00:32:21,045
And so if a text ordinance like this were to proceed,

650
00:32:21,205 --> 00:32:23,485
I would recommend having some sort of tally

651
00:32:23,485 --> 00:32:25,485
and accounting process as

652
00:32:25,485 --> 00:32:28,285
to what's happening in each sub watershed to see

653
00:32:28,285 --> 00:32:31,045
how much we're increasing impervious surface in those areas.

654
00:32:31,465 --> 00:32:34,165
And in particular, I would be thinking about tier two

655
00:32:34,165 --> 00:32:35,445
streams which require,

656
00:32:35,575 --> 00:32:38,365
which are currently in much better standing in terms

657
00:32:38,365 --> 00:32:39,725
of water quality in the county.

658
00:32:40,305 --> 00:32:41,525
And of course the state

659
00:32:41,525 --> 00:32:43,085
of Maryland has heightened expectations

660
00:32:43,105 --> 00:32:44,525
for protecting that increased.

661
00:32:44,785 --> 00:32:46,205
So if you have any questions, happy

662
00:32:46,265 --> 00:32:48,205
to supply greater information

663
00:32:48,205 --> 00:32:49,485
from Shore Rivers and our staff.

664
00:32:50,085 --> 00:32:51,405
Thank you for receiving our comment.

665
00:32:53,465 --> 00:32:57,045
We have a testimony on county Ordinance 26 0 6.

666
00:32:59,755 --> 00:33:01,045
Well thank you very much. We'll keep

667
00:33:01,045 --> 00:33:02,125
the record open for two weeks.

668
00:33:15,155 --> 00:33:16,925
Alright commissioners, we can move into the

669
00:33:16,925 --> 00:33:18,285
presentations this evening.

670
00:33:18,505 --> 00:33:22,245
So next up we have Annie Richards, Chester River Keeper,

671
00:33:22,485 --> 00:33:23,965
shore Rivers, and she's gonna give us

672
00:33:24,025 --> 00:33:25,365
the Shore Rivers update.

673
00:33:25,365 --> 00:33:28,565
We have a presentation in your books tab number six,

674
00:33:28,635 --> 00:33:30,765
item one, pages one through 17.

675
00:33:30,865 --> 00:33:32,445
And it's up on the big screen here as well.

676
00:33:33,025 --> 00:33:34,005
We should have just stayed up here.

677
00:33:34,075 --> 00:33:35,125
Yeah, that's right Annie.

678
00:33:35,145 --> 00:33:36,205
How you doing? Okay.

679
00:33:36,425 --> 00:33:39,245
Hi. Hey, now once again, I'm Annie Richards.

680
00:33:39,245 --> 00:33:40,965
I'm your Chester River keeper with Shore Rivers.

681
00:33:40,965 --> 00:33:42,885
It's a pleasure to be here. I'm not often able

682
00:33:42,885 --> 00:33:44,805
to give you all a presentation about our programs.

683
00:33:44,825 --> 00:33:47,005
I'm proud to do so. Tonight I'm gonna be speaking

684
00:33:47,005 --> 00:33:48,925
to you about our Swimmable Shore Rivers program.

685
00:33:50,345 --> 00:33:52,085
So in case you're unfamiliar,

686
00:33:52,445 --> 00:33:55,285
shore Rivers is a local water quality nonprofit.

687
00:33:55,505 --> 00:33:56,565
Our mission is to protect

688
00:33:56,565 --> 00:33:58,605
and restore Eastern shore waterways

689
00:33:58,605 --> 00:34:01,685
through science-based education, restoration, advocacy,

690
00:34:01,705 --> 00:34:02,765
and community engagement.

691
00:34:02,765 --> 00:34:04,645
Those are the four pillars we think really work

692
00:34:04,645 --> 00:34:06,245
for a rural area like the Eastern shore.

693
00:34:07,225 --> 00:34:09,525
And it's not just river keepers though we have four.

694
00:34:10,465 --> 00:34:13,485
I'm happy to work with more than 30 full-time staff members

695
00:34:14,145 --> 00:34:17,605
across the sassafras Chester miles y Eastern Bay

696
00:34:17,625 --> 00:34:19,085
and Chop Tank watersheds.

697
00:34:19,485 --> 00:34:22,725
We have many different departments to uphold the four spokes

698
00:34:22,725 --> 00:34:24,005
of our mission that I mentioned earlier.

699
00:34:24,415 --> 00:34:25,685
We're trying to achieve a vision

700
00:34:25,685 --> 00:34:27,005
of thriving rivers cherished

701
00:34:27,005 --> 00:34:28,525
by all Eastern shore communities.

702
00:34:28,545 --> 00:34:30,725
And you can't cherish our rivers without getting in them.

703
00:34:32,295 --> 00:34:35,165
We've been busy since becoming a merged organization

704
00:34:35,165 --> 00:34:37,605
of legacy grassroots organizations in 2018.

705
00:34:37,655 --> 00:34:39,605
We've been able to accomplish a lot.

706
00:34:39,745 --> 00:34:41,125
I'm not gonna go through all of those things,

707
00:34:41,145 --> 00:34:42,845
but this is one of our annual reports

708
00:34:42,845 --> 00:34:44,925
that summarizes the many achievements each

709
00:34:44,925 --> 00:34:46,325
of our departments have made in terms

710
00:34:46,325 --> 00:34:50,485
of stewarding students, restoring underwater bay grasses,

711
00:34:50,645 --> 00:34:52,725
planting trees, and many, many more things.

712
00:34:54,665 --> 00:34:56,965
But what I think really makes us stand out compared

713
00:34:56,965 --> 00:34:58,925
to other organizations is our commitment to science.

714
00:34:59,345 --> 00:35:03,045
So this graph here shows you

715
00:35:04,085 --> 00:35:05,605
shore rivers testing sites

716
00:35:05,605 --> 00:35:08,285
and those have been community supported as far back

717
00:35:08,285 --> 00:35:11,045
as the 1980s when our grassroots organizations

718
00:35:11,045 --> 00:35:12,645
or legacy organizations began.

719
00:35:13,495 --> 00:35:17,525
Today we operate 67 tidal water quality stations across the

720
00:35:17,525 --> 00:35:18,685
four watersheds we serve.

721
00:35:19,105 --> 00:35:21,685
We have 54 bacteria monitoring sites.

722
00:35:21,895 --> 00:35:23,525
Let's compare that to what the state does in

723
00:35:23,525 --> 00:35:24,885
that same geographic region.

724
00:35:25,645 --> 00:35:27,925
Maryland Department of the Environment operates seven tidal

725
00:35:27,925 --> 00:35:28,925
water quality stations

726
00:35:29,025 --> 00:35:32,245
and 19 healthy beaches sites, which again are comparable

727
00:35:32,245 --> 00:35:33,445
to our bacteria programs.

728
00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:36,965
This isn't to throw shade at our state of Maryland,

729
00:35:37,145 --> 00:35:39,485
but it is to show what the power

730
00:35:39,485 --> 00:35:40,765
of community investment does.

731
00:35:40,765 --> 00:35:42,525
We have a lot of community support, a lot

732
00:35:42,525 --> 00:35:44,285
of community requests for this data

733
00:35:44,525 --> 00:35:45,645
'cause they want to know what's happening

734
00:35:45,825 --> 00:35:46,925
in their local rivers.

735
00:35:48,295 --> 00:35:50,315
And I would say the thing that gets the most public

736
00:35:50,315 --> 00:35:52,275
engagement that we do is sharing the results

737
00:35:52,495 --> 00:35:54,195
of our bacteria monitoring program

738
00:35:54,195 --> 00:35:55,875
through Swimmable Shore Rivers.

739
00:35:55,895 --> 00:35:58,195
As I mentioned, we have 54 bacteria sites.

740
00:35:58,615 --> 00:36:00,795
We test those sites with a suite of volunteers.

741
00:36:00,815 --> 00:36:02,835
We have more than 50 volunteers that go out

742
00:36:02,835 --> 00:36:04,315
to public access locations.

743
00:36:04,655 --> 00:36:06,075
Not all of them are swimming sites,

744
00:36:06,455 --> 00:36:08,715
but we also know that when you're launching a kayak

745
00:36:08,715 --> 00:36:11,075
with your children, the chances for recreation

746
00:36:11,075 --> 00:36:12,595
and those shallow waters are very high.

747
00:36:12,655 --> 00:36:15,395
So we wanna make sure that we have reliable bacteria data,

748
00:36:15,465 --> 00:36:17,435
even if it's not a designated swimming beach.

749
00:36:18,135 --> 00:36:20,795
And those volunteers go out between Memorial Day

750
00:36:20,795 --> 00:36:23,195
and Labor Day every Thursday they collect a water sample,

751
00:36:23,195 --> 00:36:24,755
bring it to our in-office labs.

752
00:36:25,135 --> 00:36:27,635
We process those for fecal and enterococci.

753
00:36:27,635 --> 00:36:29,155
So we're talking about waste.

754
00:36:29,455 --> 00:36:30,795
So bacteria that comes from waste.

755
00:36:30,795 --> 00:36:32,075
We're not talking about Vibrio

756
00:36:32,175 --> 00:36:33,915
or any kind of flesh eating bacteria.

757
00:36:34,745 --> 00:36:37,795
This is something that is in the gut

758
00:36:37,815 --> 00:36:39,355
of every warm blooded species

759
00:36:39,505 --> 00:36:41,355
that lives in our environment, including us.

760
00:36:41,915 --> 00:36:44,355
And so that's what we're testing for using the IDEXX system.

761
00:36:44,615 --> 00:36:47,955
We share those results with the public every week on Friday

762
00:36:48,055 --> 00:36:49,915
so that they're ready to recreate for the weekend.

763
00:36:50,855 --> 00:36:52,635
We also share with local agencies

764
00:36:52,655 --> 00:36:55,995
and we follow the Maryland State Clean Water Standards in

765
00:36:55,995 --> 00:36:57,755
terms of our thresholds for passing and failing.

766
00:36:59,175 --> 00:37:01,475
And this is incredibly tiny for you guys to see.

767
00:37:01,505 --> 00:37:03,675
Plus shameless advertising from my cute children.

768
00:37:04,655 --> 00:37:05,755
So you can see all

769
00:37:05,755 --> 00:37:08,075
of the different dots along our watersheds.

770
00:37:08,075 --> 00:37:10,355
You'll see green dots, yellow dots, and red dots.

771
00:37:10,735 --> 00:37:15,195
Red dots are testing locations that pass less than 60%

772
00:37:15,195 --> 00:37:18,035
of the time that they're tested yellow between 60

773
00:37:18,135 --> 00:37:19,755
and 79% of the time.

774
00:37:20,135 --> 00:37:23,075
And green pass 80 to 100% of the time.

775
00:37:23,365 --> 00:37:25,555
Happy to report that we have a Corsica River site

776
00:37:25,555 --> 00:37:28,035
that passes 80 to 100% of the time.

777
00:37:28,155 --> 00:37:29,595
That's a Corsica River Yacht Club.

778
00:37:30,095 --> 00:37:32,955
And then Conquest Preserve also does very well.

779
00:37:33,095 --> 00:37:35,035
It can toggle back and forth between yellow

780
00:37:35,055 --> 00:37:36,395
and green year in year out.

781
00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:38,395
I think that goes to show that we have a lot

782
00:37:38,395 --> 00:37:40,995
of natural lands out on Spaniard's neck

783
00:37:40,995 --> 00:37:42,515
and that contributes to healthy water quality.

784
00:37:44,415 --> 00:37:46,775
I also wanna flag that we are in the final stages

785
00:37:46,915 --> 00:37:49,935
of becoming tier three certified, which is the highest level

786
00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:53,335
of certification A NGO lab can become in terms

787
00:37:53,335 --> 00:37:55,975
of having our data recognized by the state of Maryland

788
00:37:56,115 --> 00:37:58,255
by the EPA and having our data integrated

789
00:37:58,805 --> 00:38:01,175
into the state integrated report for water quality.

790
00:38:03,955 --> 00:38:08,775
So there are many different stations that we have

791
00:38:08,805 --> 00:38:11,095
that we test that are actually public landings

792
00:38:11,095 --> 00:38:13,735
and publicly operated by Queen Anne's County across two

793
00:38:13,735 --> 00:38:16,055
of our watersheds miles y Eastern Bay.

794
00:38:16,475 --> 00:38:20,935
We have Matte Beach Kent Narrows and Drum Point Y Island.

795
00:38:21,915 --> 00:38:23,295
All of those were in the red you could see.

796
00:38:23,675 --> 00:38:27,655
And then in the Chester we have some others,

797
00:38:28,135 --> 00:38:32,975
Southeast Creek Crumpton Landing, Jackson Creek Landing.

798
00:38:33,475 --> 00:38:37,965
So those are the publicly operated landings as I mentioned,

799
00:38:37,965 --> 00:38:40,125
that are part of Queen Ance County that we test for.

800
00:38:40,705 --> 00:38:43,525
And unfortunately most of them are in the red except

801
00:38:43,525 --> 00:38:44,845
for Jackson Creek, which is yellow.

802
00:38:46,345 --> 00:38:49,485
So while we wish all of our sites are green, they are not.

803
00:38:49,715 --> 00:38:51,965
What environments do bacteria thrive

804
00:38:51,965 --> 00:38:54,725
and grow in darkness, heat and nutrients.

805
00:38:54,825 --> 00:38:57,045
We have turbid rivers here on the Eastern shore.

806
00:38:57,265 --> 00:38:59,885
We have nutrient and sediment pollution problems that kind

807
00:38:59,885 --> 00:39:02,405
of creates a perfect environment for bacteria to grow

808
00:39:02,405 --> 00:39:06,005
and to thrive, even if it's a normal amount of bacteria.

809
00:39:06,005 --> 00:39:08,605
And what I mean is bacteria introduced by wildlife, deer

810
00:39:09,885 --> 00:39:11,445
creatures living in the marsh, that type of thing.

811
00:39:12,105 --> 00:39:13,445
But we also have common sources

812
00:39:13,505 --> 00:39:15,525
of bacterial runoff from agriculture,

813
00:39:15,715 --> 00:39:17,085
from failing septic systems,

814
00:39:17,095 --> 00:39:20,245
wastewater treatment plants elicit discharge from boats

815
00:39:20,505 --> 00:39:23,645
and then storm water gen runoff generally across the land.

816
00:39:25,945 --> 00:39:28,885
All of this can con contribute to situations

817
00:39:28,885 --> 00:39:31,525
where folks really want to know what the bacteria

818
00:39:32,245 --> 00:39:34,565
count is in their waterway before they use it.

819
00:39:34,945 --> 00:39:37,125
And we have the web traffic to prove that.

820
00:39:37,225 --> 00:39:39,525
So as I mentioned, this is something that we get a lot

821
00:39:39,525 --> 00:39:40,765
of feedback from the public on.

822
00:39:41,195 --> 00:39:44,085
This is a tally of the web traffic that we get

823
00:39:44,315 --> 00:39:46,005
through the swim guide for each

824
00:39:46,025 --> 00:39:48,485
of the Queen Anne's County sites.

825
00:39:48,865 --> 00:39:51,285
You can see we have over 54,000 views

826
00:39:51,345 --> 00:39:52,925
of people checking this website

827
00:39:52,945 --> 00:39:55,045
to see if their favorite landing is ready

828
00:39:55,425 --> 00:39:57,525
and appropriate to be recreating in.

829
00:39:58,985 --> 00:40:02,365
We get a, we've also been surveying our members

830
00:40:02,625 --> 00:40:05,045
and general community members about the utility

831
00:40:05,045 --> 00:40:06,645
of the program and we've gotten a huge

832
00:40:07,245 --> 00:40:08,245
response from the public.

833
00:40:08,245 --> 00:40:10,085
88% of respondents said

834
00:40:10,155 --> 00:40:12,725
that the bacteria results from Shore Rivers influence their

835
00:40:12,925 --> 00:40:14,645
decision about where and when to swim.

836
00:40:14,665 --> 00:40:17,085
And that's important to us because this program is not

837
00:40:17,085 --> 00:40:18,805
telling people not to get into our river.

838
00:40:19,075 --> 00:40:21,605
It's teaching people how and when and where.

839
00:40:23,545 --> 00:40:27,125
We also use this data publicly, a program I'd love

840
00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:28,805
to highlight is we actually share this data

841
00:40:28,835 --> 00:40:32,205
with the Smithson Smithsonian Environmental Research Center

842
00:40:32,225 --> 00:40:34,365
and they use that data to train satellites

843
00:40:34,785 --> 00:40:37,165
to pick up different pigments in the water

844
00:40:37,225 --> 00:40:39,725
and then attribute those pigments from satellites

845
00:40:40,065 --> 00:40:43,125
to certain bacteria counts, certain per turbidity accounts,

846
00:40:43,145 --> 00:40:44,445
and then certain algae content.

847
00:40:45,185 --> 00:40:47,125
So it's training satellites from space

848
00:40:47,185 --> 00:40:48,445
to detect our water quality.

849
00:40:49,585 --> 00:40:51,645
And then as I mentioned, we also share our data

850
00:40:51,715 --> 00:40:52,725
with the state of Maryland

851
00:40:52,865 --> 00:40:53,885
and with the EPA

852
00:40:54,065 --> 00:40:56,645
to influence integrated reports and other things.

853
00:40:58,085 --> 00:40:59,425
And so today I'm here

854
00:40:59,425 --> 00:41:02,625
before you to humbly ask for your support for this program.

855
00:41:03,685 --> 00:41:05,825
So we are approaching our counties this year

856
00:41:05,825 --> 00:41:08,465
to help support this program as it is a public resource

857
00:41:08,845 --> 00:41:11,385
and a tool for all county citizens.

858
00:41:11,405 --> 00:41:13,985
We are asking for the funds that it would cost

859
00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:17,265
to cover the sites that are operated by,

860
00:41:17,445 --> 00:41:20,745
or that are yeah, operated and owned by Queen Anne County.

861
00:41:21,045 --> 00:41:22,625
That's seven public sites.

862
00:41:23,085 --> 00:41:24,185
Our price to operate

863
00:41:24,185 --> 00:41:26,785
and serve these sites is $50 per site per week.

864
00:41:26,965 --> 00:41:30,865
We run this program for 16 weeks, which is a total of $5,600

865
00:41:30,925 --> 00:41:33,245
for the entire season for all of these sites.

866
00:41:33,585 --> 00:41:35,805
And that covers testing, supplies, staff time

867
00:41:36,305 --> 00:41:38,125
and lab equipment depreciation.

868
00:41:40,165 --> 00:41:41,225
And with that I would welcome

869
00:41:41,405 --> 00:41:42,705
any questions that you might have.

870
00:41:43,085 --> 00:41:44,225
Can you go back to the last slide?

871
00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:46,265
Absolutely. Is there any way

872
00:41:46,265 --> 00:41:49,545
to get more testing sites from Matte Beach South?

873
00:41:50,445 --> 00:41:53,105
The reason I say that is because you know we have gone

874
00:41:53,105 --> 00:41:56,275
through our Southern Ken Island sewer

875
00:41:56,815 --> 00:41:58,835
and I wanna see, has it cleaned it up?

876
00:41:58,975 --> 00:42:00,395
How much it's, it's cleaned it up

877
00:42:00,415 --> 00:42:03,635
or if it's trending towards cleaning it up?

878
00:42:04,115 --> 00:42:05,675
Absolutely. I can speak for Ben Ford,

879
00:42:05,675 --> 00:42:07,195
our miles wide Eastern Bay Riverkeeper

880
00:42:07,255 --> 00:42:09,355
to say he would absolutely love some more sites in

881
00:42:09,355 --> 00:42:10,395
his watershed.

882
00:42:10,495 --> 00:42:11,675
And so if that's something

883
00:42:11,675 --> 00:42:13,795
that Queen Ance County was interested in exploring adding

884
00:42:13,795 --> 00:42:14,715
to the docket, then we

885
00:42:14,715 --> 00:42:16,035
could absolutely talk about that. What

886
00:42:16,035 --> 00:42:17,475
Do you need to get the site selections?

887
00:42:18,055 --> 00:42:19,755
So typically the way

888
00:42:19,755 --> 00:42:23,035
that Shore Rivers chooses sites is it's gotta be a publicly

889
00:42:23,035 --> 00:42:24,635
accessible location in some way.

890
00:42:24,705 --> 00:42:27,395
Like for example, Corsica River Yacht Club is not a public

891
00:42:27,395 --> 00:42:29,115
access point, but it serves the public

892
00:42:29,115 --> 00:42:30,675
because it offers summer camps

893
00:42:30,675 --> 00:42:32,315
and swimming activities and things like that.

894
00:42:32,955 --> 00:42:34,875
So you have to have a willing site public access.

895
00:42:34,935 --> 00:42:36,235
We have to have a volunteer,

896
00:42:36,285 --> 00:42:37,835
which we're very proud at Shore Rivers

897
00:42:37,835 --> 00:42:39,595
that we do not have a lack of volunteers.

898
00:42:39,595 --> 00:42:42,155
It's quite easy for us to identify Swimmable,

899
00:42:42,235 --> 00:42:44,275
shore Rivers volunteer and then we need the funding

900
00:42:44,335 --> 00:42:46,475
and that's how we bring that new site online.

901
00:42:47,295 --> 00:42:48,515
We do camp. Right.

902
00:42:48,615 --> 00:42:51,175
And Roman Co here right would be two,

903
00:42:52,215 --> 00:42:54,155
what's the, the beach down there? Yeah,

904
00:42:54,155 --> 00:42:55,835
We go to, we could reach out to the Beach

905
00:42:55,835 --> 00:42:57,835
and Recreation Association Can Island,

906
00:42:57,895 --> 00:42:59,075
the States Beach and Recreation

907
00:42:59,075 --> 00:43:00,315
Association. Those they've got what

908
00:43:00,325 --> 00:43:01,325
Beach?

909
00:43:01,325 --> 00:43:02,235
We could probably get at least three or four long there.

910
00:43:02,235 --> 00:43:05,475
Yeah. And then all way on the other side we donate 6,000

911
00:43:06,495 --> 00:43:07,875
be enough to get a couple more spots.

912
00:43:09,155 --> 00:43:10,375
You can't do math that quickly,

913
00:43:10,555 --> 00:43:13,735
but if it's $50 per site per week for those extra sites,

914
00:43:13,845 --> 00:43:15,815
then yes, we could do that. It's

915
00:43:15,815 --> 00:43:16,815
$800 a site.

916
00:43:16,845 --> 00:43:18,935
Yeah, $800 per year per site. Yeah.

917
00:43:19,315 --> 00:43:22,295
You need to go To Annie. Are you? I couldn't tell

918
00:43:23,265 --> 00:43:26,095
Right From the on the screen are you testing

919
00:43:26,235 --> 00:43:27,815
by the white mouth of the Y River?

920
00:43:29,555 --> 00:43:31,655
The commissioners just invested quite a bit

921
00:43:31,655 --> 00:43:34,015
of money in an oyster restoration project there.

922
00:43:34,685 --> 00:43:36,935
It'd be interesting to see the water quality.

923
00:43:38,075 --> 00:43:38,695
88.

924
00:43:43,035 --> 00:43:44,035
I'm doing the math right.

925
00:43:47,605 --> 00:43:52,525
So we want to do, Did you hear me

926
00:43:52,585 --> 00:43:55,245
Say what you said again about the oyster restoration?

927
00:43:55,245 --> 00:43:56,245
Real quick.

928
00:43:57,045 --> 00:44:00,605
I was just saying Annie are, are you testing

929
00:44:00,825 --> 00:44:02,245
by the mouth of the Y River?

930
00:44:03,265 --> 00:44:06,685
The commissioners invested quite a bit into oyster

931
00:44:06,755 --> 00:44:10,605
restoration there last year and then this year.

932
00:44:10,865 --> 00:44:14,325
And it'd be nice to know what the water quality is

933
00:44:14,465 --> 00:44:15,645
by the oyster reefs.

934
00:44:16,605 --> 00:44:19,005
I see. Thank you for repeating that question.

935
00:44:19,145 --> 00:44:21,445
So the closest testing site we have

936
00:44:21,625 --> 00:44:25,045
to the restoration site you've mentioned is drum point on Y

937
00:44:25,045 --> 00:44:26,325
Island, which is pretty close.

938
00:44:26,395 --> 00:44:30,765
It's not right over it but it's certainly it should.

939
00:44:30,945 --> 00:44:32,885
The neighborhood education where it's at. Yeah, I

940
00:44:32,885 --> 00:44:33,885
Agree.

941
00:44:33,885 --> 00:44:36,575
I can speak because I've done it, my wife

942
00:44:36,575 --> 00:44:39,215
and I many a times drum point

943
00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:42,095
and just south of where everybody ties up the minute they

944
00:44:42,095 --> 00:44:44,415
leave, first thing they do is pump out.

945
00:44:44,855 --> 00:44:49,535
Hmm. And we've taken samples plenty of times doing that

946
00:44:50,355 --> 00:44:53,695
but Well then I'll make a motion for $8,000

947
00:44:54,205 --> 00:44:56,055
that'll cover the US for three more sites.

948
00:44:56,785 --> 00:44:57,785
Three more sites

949
00:44:59,135 --> 00:45:00,935
I would come back to.

950
00:45:01,165 --> 00:45:02,175
Well can I come back and accept?

951
00:45:02,335 --> 00:45:03,575
I would absolutely love to accept,

952
00:45:03,635 --> 00:45:06,815
but I'd love to just confirm with my colleague Ben Ford

953
00:45:07,075 --> 00:45:08,735
and that it's incredibly generous of you

954
00:45:08,855 --> 00:45:10,095
and we love to add sites so

955
00:45:10,095 --> 00:45:11,335
that communities have more information.

956
00:45:11,395 --> 00:45:12,535
So that's wonderful. I'll

957
00:45:12,535 --> 00:45:13,895
Make a second on the 8,000.

958
00:45:13,955 --> 00:45:16,055
So we'll just go ahead and Right do that

959
00:45:16,055 --> 00:45:17,135
and then come back if you need more.

960
00:45:17,725 --> 00:45:19,015
Okay. Make It easier. All

961
00:45:19,015 --> 00:45:20,095
Go. Great. Thank you.

962
00:45:20,355 --> 00:45:22,725
You still up there? Yeah.

963
00:45:23,195 --> 00:45:26,325
Okay, so we have a motion and a second for $8,000.

964
00:45:26,505 --> 00:45:28,885
All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye.

965
00:45:29,025 --> 00:45:31,685
Aye. Aye. Aye. Four zero. So

966
00:45:32,775 --> 00:45:34,725
Annie, can you Pull out his checkbook?

967
00:45:35,145 --> 00:45:38,245
Can you let us know if there are other areas that oyster

968
00:45:40,835 --> 00:45:45,505
reefs, restoration barges, so to speak would be helpful?

969
00:45:47,385 --> 00:45:49,465
Absolutely. You don't, You don't have to tell us now,

970
00:45:49,615 --> 00:45:51,345
just, you know, let us know.

971
00:45:51,815 --> 00:45:53,225
Sure. I can come back with a whole oyster

972
00:45:53,225 --> 00:45:54,545
presentation in another time.

973
00:45:56,535 --> 00:45:57,705
Okay. Thank you. You thank your oyster

974
00:45:57,795 --> 00:45:58,825
Barge handy Dan.

975
00:45:59,245 --> 00:46:01,745
Yes, I know I gotta, I gotta keep 'em in organized boxes.

976
00:46:01,845 --> 00:46:03,665
But thank you all so much for generosity.

977
00:46:03,665 --> 00:46:05,665
Thank this is a wonderful program. Appreciate it. Thank you.

978
00:46:11,775 --> 00:46:12,785
Alright commissioners.

979
00:46:12,785 --> 00:46:14,865
Moving on to our second presentation for this evening.

980
00:46:15,415 --> 00:46:19,585
This is also tab six, item two, pages 18 through 34.

981
00:46:20,405 --> 00:46:22,305
We have Janet Nelson,

982
00:46:22,835 --> 00:46:25,545
commission on Aging member subcommittee chair,

983
00:46:25,805 --> 00:46:28,065
Ms. Janet Salazar, commission on Aging.

984
00:46:28,065 --> 00:46:30,665
Member Queen and county library Director. Ms.

985
00:46:30,665 --> 00:46:33,225
Annie Sparks our Department of Aging

986
00:46:33,225 --> 00:46:34,545
and Transportation director.

987
00:46:35,045 --> 00:46:36,905
The presentation is entitled Longevity

988
00:46:37,075 --> 00:46:41,225
Ready Queen Anns County. So Annie, hello.

989
00:46:41,225 --> 00:46:42,865
Thank you for having us. Alright,

990
00:46:42,995 --> 00:46:44,225
Thank You'all. Good to see you.

991
00:46:44,885 --> 00:46:48,025
Are we ready? So a few people I do wanna introduce

992
00:46:48,645 --> 00:46:49,865
before we get started.

993
00:46:50,685 --> 00:46:52,785
So to my right we have Ms. Janet Nelson,

994
00:46:53,125 --> 00:46:55,465
she is a commission on aging member

995
00:46:55,605 --> 00:46:57,385
and chairperson for the subcommittee

996
00:46:57,385 --> 00:46:58,745
of the Commission on Aging

997
00:46:59,085 --> 00:47:01,465
for the Longevity Ready Queen and County.

998
00:47:02,195 --> 00:47:04,985
She's joining me up here today. Thank you for for that.

999
00:47:05,165 --> 00:47:08,025
And Janet Salazar, queen County director

1000
00:47:08,045 --> 00:47:10,105
as you know, sends her regrets.

1001
00:47:10,725 --> 00:47:12,345
She was under the weather today

1002
00:47:12,405 --> 00:47:14,185
so she won't be able to join us.

1003
00:47:14,785 --> 00:47:16,625
And then we have Bonnie Walter here with us.

1004
00:47:18,405 --> 00:47:19,985
She is attending

1005
00:47:20,205 --> 00:47:23,105
as the Queen Anne County Commission on Aging Long

1006
00:47:23,105 --> 00:47:24,385
serving chairperson.

1007
00:47:24,685 --> 00:47:26,945
So thank you for being here and all that you do.

1008
00:47:27,525 --> 00:47:29,605
And Becky Barbie is another member

1009
00:47:29,665 --> 00:47:32,085
of the subcommittee group we've had

1010
00:47:32,465 --> 00:47:34,525
and another member of the Commission on Aging.

1011
00:47:34,745 --> 00:47:35,765
And then if other members

1012
00:47:35,825 --> 00:47:37,645
of the Commission on Aging can raise your

1013
00:47:37,645 --> 00:47:38,965
hand, thank you for coming.

1014
00:47:40,805 --> 00:47:42,505
And then we have some staff here as well.

1015
00:47:43,665 --> 00:47:48,505
Aging administrators, they're like, no, no, we're done.

1016
00:47:50,125 --> 00:47:51,625
So thank you and I will turn it over

1017
00:47:51,625 --> 00:47:52,945
to Janet to get us started.

1018
00:47:54,095 --> 00:47:56,385
Well our program started when the state

1019
00:47:56,385 --> 00:47:58,025
of Maryland did a presentation

1020
00:47:58,645 --> 00:48:01,825
on their Longevity Ready Maryland program.

1021
00:48:02,445 --> 00:48:06,145
And it was to recognize Maryland's growing over 50

1022
00:48:06,475 --> 00:48:09,025
population and what the state could do.

1023
00:48:10,105 --> 00:48:12,835
Well we started thinking why should we wait for the state?

1024
00:48:13,285 --> 00:48:14,795
Let's look at Queen Anne County.

1025
00:48:15,785 --> 00:48:17,035
Well as a result,

1026
00:48:17,365 --> 00:48:20,155
queen Anne County's commission on Aging believes

1027
00:48:20,925 --> 00:48:23,995
let's bring the awareness to our county.

1028
00:48:24,905 --> 00:48:28,275
Okay? Because of the increase in our population,

1029
00:48:29,175 --> 00:48:31,355
our slides are going to show statistically

1030
00:48:31,535 --> 00:48:34,555
how it's really increasing for those over 50.

1031
00:48:35,375 --> 00:48:39,955
So to accomplish this mission, we would like to

1032
00:48:40,295 --> 00:48:45,235
and or have planned presentations to bring awareness

1033
00:48:45,415 --> 00:48:47,915
to our increasing aging population.

1034
00:48:47,915 --> 00:48:48,995
Everybody's aging right?

1035
00:48:50,255 --> 00:48:52,395
And we would like to give it

1036
00:48:52,395 --> 00:48:55,555
to county government departments, civic organizations

1037
00:48:56,055 --> 00:48:59,915
and businesses about the aging population in this county

1038
00:49:00,135 --> 00:49:01,315
and what their needs are.

1039
00:49:03,085 --> 00:49:05,265
And now shall we go on with our slides? Okay,

1040
00:49:05,535 --> 00:49:06,535
Sure thing.

1041
00:49:08,155 --> 00:49:10,735
So again, who we are for people watching at home too,

1042
00:49:10,795 --> 00:49:11,975
the Department of Aging

1043
00:49:11,975 --> 00:49:14,815
and Transportation, which houses the community care

1044
00:49:15,095 --> 00:49:17,055
division, senior Centers division,

1045
00:49:17,195 --> 00:49:19,735
and the Transportation County ride division

1046
00:49:20,115 --> 00:49:22,055
and of course the Commission on Aging,

1047
00:49:22,055 --> 00:49:25,335
which put the subcommittee together for this presentation.

1048
00:49:26,045 --> 00:49:29,815
They do a lot of large events for the aging population

1049
00:49:30,515 --> 00:49:34,215
and coming up in September they will be hosting a

1050
00:49:34,895 --> 00:49:36,055
resources spotlight event.

1051
00:49:36,155 --> 00:49:37,615
So be on the lookout for that.

1052
00:49:38,055 --> 00:49:40,975
And then in 2027 there will be the

1053
00:49:41,585 --> 00:49:44,055
usual senior center tour for the commissioners

1054
00:49:44,075 --> 00:49:45,215
as well as the town hall.

1055
00:49:45,795 --> 00:49:48,655
So a couple of big events that they have coming up.

1056
00:49:49,755 --> 00:49:51,455
And so how all this got started,

1057
00:49:52,735 --> 00:49:55,535
governor Moore signed the Longevity Ready Maryland Executive

1058
00:49:55,535 --> 00:49:59,855
order through the leadership of Secretary Rooke

1059
00:49:59,875 --> 00:50:01,535
for Maryland Department of Aging

1060
00:50:02,635 --> 00:50:05,935
for moving aging services from a category reserve

1061
00:50:05,955 --> 00:50:09,095
for a specific group of people at a specific time of life

1062
00:50:09,555 --> 00:50:11,775
to a unified whole of government process

1063
00:50:11,925 --> 00:50:13,295
that better prepares Maryland

1064
00:50:13,395 --> 00:50:16,335
for longer lives across the lifespan.

1065
00:50:16,875 --> 00:50:19,535
So this QR code for people watching at home too,

1066
00:50:19,555 --> 00:50:22,215
if anyone wants to check out the full Longevity Ready

1067
00:50:22,575 --> 00:50:24,735
Maryland plan, they can click that QR code

1068
00:50:24,795 --> 00:50:25,975
and have access to that

1069
00:50:25,995 --> 00:50:29,725
and a lot of great resources through the data dashboard.

1070
00:50:32,005 --> 00:50:34,385
So with the Longevity Ready Maryland plan,

1071
00:50:35,205 --> 00:50:37,505
it is a 10 year multi-sector plan,

1072
00:50:37,515 --> 00:50:41,265
which put together four epic goals of building longevity,

1073
00:50:41,575 --> 00:50:45,625
ecosystem, promoting economic opportunity,

1074
00:50:46,045 --> 00:50:48,745
pre preparing Marylanders to afford longevity

1075
00:50:49,285 --> 00:50:51,105
and optimizing health and wellness.

1076
00:50:54,735 --> 00:50:56,545
Some stats for the state of Maryland

1077
00:50:57,205 --> 00:50:58,425
are included in the slide.

1078
00:50:59,085 --> 00:51:03,665
By the year 2031 in every four Marylanders will be over the

1079
00:51:03,905 --> 00:51:08,785
age of 60 by 20 35, 1 in three American households

1080
00:51:08,815 --> 00:51:11,265
will be headed by someone 65 or older.

1081
00:51:12,265 --> 00:51:15,145
Maryland's 85 and overpopulation is the fastest

1082
00:51:15,175 --> 00:51:16,305
growing segments.

1083
00:51:17,005 --> 00:51:18,505
And then we have some Queen Anne County

1084
00:51:18,505 --> 00:51:20,265
numbers here as well.

1085
00:51:20,825 --> 00:51:22,705
So looking back in 1980,

1086
00:51:23,965 --> 00:51:27,665
the 50 in overpopulation was at 29%,

1087
00:51:29,975 --> 00:51:33,745
then going up to 2000, the year 2000 was 31.

1088
00:51:35,085 --> 00:51:37,745
And then in 2020 was 43.6

1089
00:51:38,215 --> 00:51:42,835
with a continued growing population for Maryland,

1090
00:51:43,575 --> 00:51:48,515
for Marylanders for the 60 plus in 2020 it was 22%

1091
00:51:48,575 --> 00:51:52,875
and then estimated by the time of 2030 it will be 26%.

1092
00:51:53,925 --> 00:51:56,715
44% of Marylanders jobs are supported

1093
00:51:56,735 --> 00:52:00,315
by Marylanders over age 50 by 2030,

1094
00:52:01,115 --> 00:52:04,795
Marylanders age 50 and over will support 1.7 million jobs

1095
00:52:04,895 --> 00:52:09,475
and occupy 36% of the workforce by 2050.

1096
00:52:09,575 --> 00:52:13,115
The 50 and over population will account for 60%

1097
00:52:13,115 --> 00:52:14,595
of all money spent in Maryland.

1098
00:52:15,055 --> 00:52:17,075
And yes, there will be a pop quiz at the end

1099
00:52:21,465 --> 00:52:22,765
For the Alice threshold.

1100
00:52:23,625 --> 00:52:26,965
The asset limited income constrained employed group

1101
00:52:27,775 --> 00:52:32,765
looks at a group that falls above the federal poverty level,

1102
00:52:33,425 --> 00:52:36,605
but they don't make enough to afford the cost of living.

1103
00:52:37,625 --> 00:52:40,965
So this is a, a big group that is underserved

1104
00:52:42,145 --> 00:52:43,605
and really all groups are.

1105
00:52:44,225 --> 00:52:47,245
So we are going to be sharing this in our presentation

1106
00:52:47,275 --> 00:52:49,285
with the businesses that we go

1107
00:52:49,285 --> 00:52:53,525
and see, as well as sharing some information on ageism

1108
00:52:54,595 --> 00:52:56,885
because that is an important part of it

1109
00:52:58,315 --> 00:52:59,725
with stereotypes

1110
00:52:59,785 --> 00:53:04,525
and prejudice being included in people's

1111
00:53:04,525 --> 00:53:06,805
abilities to live longer, work longer.

1112
00:53:07,585 --> 00:53:11,045
And you know, important of thinking

1113
00:53:11,045 --> 00:53:14,245
that if someone is capable of doing something

1114
00:53:14,815 --> 00:53:19,405
based on abilities and not on age, and it goes both ways.

1115
00:53:19,505 --> 00:53:22,685
So assuming younger people are incompetent

1116
00:53:22,685 --> 00:53:25,965
or unreliable is a stereotype as well.

1117
00:53:27,725 --> 00:53:30,585
So what we're going to be doing in the community,

1118
00:53:31,445 --> 00:53:34,705
you all are our first presentation, so we're

1119
00:53:35,465 --> 00:53:37,345
metaphorically cutting the ribbon with you all.

1120
00:53:37,345 --> 00:53:38,545
Thank you for doing that with us.

1121
00:53:39,145 --> 00:53:41,505
So we're gonna be talking with businesses on

1122
00:53:41,645 --> 00:53:44,785
how they can prepare for people living longer.

1123
00:53:47,865 --> 00:53:49,385
A big part of the Maryland Department

1124
00:53:49,385 --> 00:53:51,545
of Aging multi-sector plan is

1125
00:53:53,225 --> 00:53:55,465
bringing businesses together to talk about it.

1126
00:53:56,745 --> 00:53:59,625
I think Commissioner Wilson said it well in one

1127
00:53:59,625 --> 00:54:02,945
of the budget presentations with the public where he said,

1128
00:54:02,945 --> 00:54:04,185
we are an aging county

1129
00:54:04,925 --> 00:54:07,865
and you mentioned the emergency services getting another

1130
00:54:07,865 --> 00:54:10,225
ambulance because of that aging population.

1131
00:54:10,565 --> 00:54:14,065
And that's really what this multi-sector plan is about.

1132
00:54:14,295 --> 00:54:17,185
It's talking about the aging population.

1133
00:54:17,365 --> 00:54:20,505
So every department and every business is ready for it.

1134
00:54:22,605 --> 00:54:25,305
So we will be brainstorming with the businesses on

1135
00:54:25,305 --> 00:54:27,265
what they can do to be longevity, ready

1136
00:54:28,205 --> 00:54:30,585
and be ready for every age and every stage.

1137
00:54:33,105 --> 00:54:35,085
And with that we have a video I will ask

1138
00:54:35,085 --> 00:54:36,765
for qac TV's help with

1139
00:54:45,595 --> 00:54:50,075
I am aging, we are aging, we're aging,

1140
00:54:51,525 --> 00:54:56,035
we're aging, we're aging, we are

1141
00:54:56,595 --> 00:54:59,195
Aging, we're all aging through every stage of life.

1142
00:54:59,415 --> 00:55:02,715
The Queen Anne County Area Agency on Aging invites you

1143
00:55:02,815 --> 00:55:04,835
to explore all of the fun activities

1144
00:55:04,835 --> 00:55:07,355
and supportive programs they offer to older adults,

1145
00:55:07,905 --> 00:55:11,835
individuals with disabilities and caregivers from crafting

1146
00:55:11,835 --> 00:55:13,395
and lunches to events and dancing.

1147
00:55:14,145 --> 00:55:16,075
This department encourages residents

1148
00:55:16,075 --> 00:55:18,355
to learn about services offered, preparing

1149
00:55:18,355 --> 00:55:21,075
for longevity at every age and every stage.

1150
00:55:21,775 --> 00:55:24,635
For more information, please visit the Department of Aging

1151
00:55:24,635 --> 00:55:26,035
and Transportation's website.

1152
00:55:28,285 --> 00:55:30,115
Thank you for watching QAC tv.

1153
00:55:33,185 --> 00:55:33,895
Thank you Bruce.

1154
00:55:38,235 --> 00:55:42,735
And so with that we will conclude our presentation

1155
00:55:43,365 --> 00:55:45,135
because we are all aging

1156
00:55:45,195 --> 00:55:48,215
and we wanna be prepared for every age and every stage.

1157
00:55:48,775 --> 00:55:50,775
We look forward to going out into the community

1158
00:55:50,795 --> 00:55:52,095
to offer this presentation,

1159
00:55:52,095 --> 00:55:55,735
which will be a lot more interactive and and things.

1160
00:55:55,755 --> 00:55:57,095
So if you know of businesses

1161
00:55:57,115 --> 00:56:00,295
or things that may be interested, please let us know.

1162
00:56:00,995 --> 00:56:02,975
And we would like to do a group photo

1163
00:56:02,975 --> 00:56:06,055
with y'all since this is our inaugural presentation,

1164
00:56:06,115 --> 00:56:08,335
if you're willing to do that with us And everyone here

1165
00:56:08,335 --> 00:56:09,855
that came for this presentation,

1166
00:56:09,875 --> 00:56:11,255
if you can get in it as well.

1167
00:56:11,925 --> 00:56:13,095
Alright, Thank you.

1168
00:56:31,875 --> 00:56:35,205
Have to jump. I'm

1169
00:57:10,685 --> 00:57:11,115
Thank you.

1170
00:57:11,645 --> 00:57:12,115
Thank you.

1171
00:57:26,025 --> 00:57:26,315
It's

1172
00:57:32,085 --> 00:57:32,435
white.

1173
00:57:32,435 --> 00:57:36,395
Need that yet? Yeah, keep it handy.

1174
00:57:39,705 --> 00:57:44,155
Everybody get one of these masks. I

1175
00:57:44,235 --> 00:57:45,235
Dunno. Centerville

1176
00:57:45,725 --> 00:57:46,725
Gotta be.

1177
00:57:46,725 --> 00:57:48,495
Yeah, yeah. Gotta be.

1178
00:57:49,195 --> 00:57:50,975
All right. Commissioners, you ready to proceed on

1179
00:57:50,975 --> 00:57:52,455
with our Absolutely business?

1180
00:57:52,525 --> 00:57:56,055
Okay, next up we have the Department of Public Works,

1181
00:57:56,055 --> 00:57:57,455
they've got several action items.

1182
00:57:57,555 --> 00:58:01,455
So if you wanna turn to tab number two for DPW.

1183
00:58:03,275 --> 00:58:05,455
So we have Lee Edgar, our chief engineer,

1184
00:58:05,455 --> 00:58:07,575
and Alan Quimby, our director of public works.

1185
00:58:08,035 --> 00:58:10,855
So tab two, item one on pages one

1186
00:58:10,855 --> 00:58:11,975
through three is the Department

1187
00:58:11,975 --> 00:58:16,415
of Emergency Services Station 400, which is out at near DPW,

1188
00:58:16,435 --> 00:58:17,535
the old helicopter hangar.

1189
00:58:17,685 --> 00:58:22,175
This is a renovations contract award for DES station 400

1190
00:58:22,915 --> 00:58:26,575
to remove and replace existing exterior metal wall panels,

1191
00:58:27,365 --> 00:58:31,495
install metal over metal retrofit roof system,

1192
00:58:31,855 --> 00:58:34,135
interior wall panel systems and exhaust fans

1193
00:58:34,275 --> 00:58:36,895
and other components and additional all site work.

1194
00:58:36,915 --> 00:58:38,735
So the bids came in, there were four bids,

1195
00:58:39,715 --> 00:58:44,095
the lowest responsible bidder was 338,100

1196
00:58:44,355 --> 00:58:46,695
$108 with Bayside Roofing

1197
00:58:46,995 --> 00:58:49,055
and Exteriors of Rockville, Maryland.

1198
00:58:51,605 --> 00:58:53,495
None of them from our county.

1199
00:58:56,315 --> 00:58:57,535
I'm sorry, commissioner couldn't

1200
00:58:57,535 --> 00:58:58,695
quite understand that. None of them

1201
00:58:58,935 --> 00:59:01,415
From our county Are they from Mayor County.

1202
00:59:02,955 --> 00:59:05,575
We had bidders from Rockville, Harrington, Delaware,

1203
00:59:05,855 --> 00:59:08,855
Salisbury and Gaithersburg were the four bidders.

1204
00:59:11,755 --> 00:59:13,085
Were you in a motion I move

1205
00:59:13,085 --> 00:59:16,285
to award the DES station 400 renovations contract

1206
00:59:16,285 --> 00:59:20,285
to Bayside Roofing and Exteriors LLC of Rockville, Maryland

1207
00:59:20,345 --> 00:59:24,085
and the amount of $338,108.

1208
00:59:24,545 --> 00:59:26,565
And authorize the director of public works

1209
00:59:26,585 --> 00:59:27,965
to issue the notice of award

1210
00:59:28,345 --> 00:59:30,205
and execute the contract on behalf

1211
00:59:30,225 --> 00:59:31,485
of the county commissioners.

1212
00:59:32,625 --> 00:59:35,125
Second, do you have a motion to second any discussion?

1213
00:59:37,185 --> 00:59:39,965
Seeing none. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye.

1214
00:59:40,065 --> 00:59:43,005
Aye. Aye. Gonna have it completed. Do you know?

1215
00:59:43,805 --> 00:59:44,925
I think they're allowed 90 days,

1216
00:59:45,385 --> 00:59:46,385
That's correct.

1217
00:59:46,505 --> 00:59:47,805
And we're ready to hit the ground running.

1218
00:59:48,235 --> 00:59:50,125
Good. Thank you commissioners.

1219
00:59:52,295 --> 00:59:55,585
Alright commissioners, the next items are for the

1220
00:59:56,225 --> 00:59:57,585
sanitary commission, so

1221
00:59:58,025 --> 00:59:59,025
Convenience, sanitary.

1222
00:59:59,025 --> 01:00:00,785
Second. All those in favor?

1223
01:00:01,205 --> 01:00:04,305
Aye. Aye. Alright, thank you Commissioners.

1224
01:00:05,295 --> 01:00:07,145
Item two on pages three through six.

1225
01:00:07,175 --> 01:00:12,065
This is a consent to assign a Maryland Department

1226
01:00:12,065 --> 01:00:15,705
of Transportation easement to license agreement

1227
01:00:16,775 --> 01:00:19,545
from the town of Sellersville to the county.

1228
01:00:20,345 --> 01:00:22,985
The town had to secure a license agreement from MDOT in

1229
01:00:22,985 --> 01:00:24,625
order to place one of their water mains

1230
01:00:24,625 --> 01:00:27,105
and Main Street under their railroad right away there.

1231
01:00:27,725 --> 01:00:29,665
And as we all know, the county is now the owner

1232
01:00:29,685 --> 01:00:32,225
of the water main and the utility systems in Sellersville.

1233
01:00:32,225 --> 01:00:34,745
So this is a transfer document from the town of Sellersville

1234
01:00:34,765 --> 01:00:35,985
to county.

1235
01:00:38,765 --> 01:00:40,125
I move to execute the consent

1236
01:00:40,125 --> 01:00:42,485
to assign a license agreement

1237
01:00:42,515 --> 01:00:44,845
with the Maryland Transit Authority in order

1238
01:00:44,845 --> 01:00:46,845
to transfer the license, allowing a water main

1239
01:00:46,845 --> 01:00:50,005
with Main Street to cross under the existing railroad right

1240
01:00:50,005 --> 01:00:52,165
of way from the town of Sellersville to the county.

1241
01:00:53,985 --> 01:00:55,805
Second, we got a motion to second.

1242
01:00:55,825 --> 01:00:58,285
Any discussion on this item? Seen none.

1243
01:00:58,285 --> 01:01:01,005
All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed?

1244
01:01:01,185 --> 01:01:02,185
And moved.

1245
01:01:03,755 --> 01:01:04,925
Okay, thank you commissioners.

1246
01:01:05,715 --> 01:01:07,925
Item three on pages seven through nine.

1247
01:01:08,075 --> 01:01:11,365
This is the A memorandum from Director Quimbee

1248
01:01:11,385 --> 01:01:15,285
for the Barclays Sewer Subdistrict rate hearing.

1249
01:01:16,425 --> 01:01:17,645
As I mentioned, the county owns

1250
01:01:17,645 --> 01:01:20,365
and operates the public wastewater collection system serving

1251
01:01:20,385 --> 01:01:23,885
the town of Barclay through the Barclay sewer Subdistrict.

1252
01:01:24,565 --> 01:01:26,805
Following an exhaustive review

1253
01:01:26,805 --> 01:01:29,005
of the system's first full year of operation,

1254
01:01:29,015 --> 01:01:30,725
we've completed a financial review

1255
01:01:30,725 --> 01:01:34,005
and determined its current user rates are unfortunately

1256
01:01:34,005 --> 01:01:35,845
insufficient to cover the actual cost

1257
01:01:35,865 --> 01:01:38,605
of the operating maintaining of that system.

1258
01:01:39,145 --> 01:01:40,405
And the staff is recommending

1259
01:01:40,405 --> 01:01:42,365
that the Sanctuary Commission authorize the public hearing

1260
01:01:42,425 --> 01:01:45,365
to consider revisions to the Barclay sewer rate schedule.

1261
01:01:46,105 --> 01:01:49,005
We propose to have that on July the 28th

1262
01:01:49,665 --> 01:01:52,485
and I think we would wanna hold that up in the northern part

1263
01:01:52,485 --> 01:01:54,725
of the county if we can find an an appropriate venue.

1264
01:01:56,305 --> 01:01:59,685
The idea here is we would be ready to have this,

1265
01:01:59,905 --> 01:02:02,285
the new rate schedule be effective

1266
01:02:02,345 --> 01:02:04,085
for the October billing cycle

1267
01:02:04,985 --> 01:02:08,805
and there are a number of components to that rate schedule.

1268
01:02:09,015 --> 01:02:11,655
Would you like me to read through those real quickly?

1269
01:02:13,025 --> 01:02:14,925
The motion? Well, yes in the motion as well.

1270
01:02:14,995 --> 01:02:16,125
Yeah. Yeah, I'll do the motion.

1271
01:02:16,555 --> 01:02:18,125
Okay. Alright, commissioner, I move

1272
01:02:18,125 --> 01:02:20,450
to hold a public hearing on July 28th, 2026

1273
01:02:20,545 --> 01:02:23,325
to adopt a Barclay sewer service area rate schedule

1274
01:02:23,385 --> 01:02:25,045
and consider the following rate adjustments.

1275
01:02:25,275 --> 01:02:28,765
Institute a customer charge of $6 per quarter per account

1276
01:02:29,275 --> 01:02:31,565
institute a ready to serve exemption program

1277
01:02:31,665 --> 01:02:34,125
to assist homeowners with limited incomes currently defined

1278
01:02:34,125 --> 01:02:37,325
as a gross income of 38,484

1279
01:02:37,345 --> 01:02:39,285
or less to modify the ready

1280
01:02:39,285 --> 01:02:41,525
to serve charge billing from a per account basis

1281
01:02:41,745 --> 01:02:45,525
to a per EDU basis to increase the current operations

1282
01:02:45,525 --> 01:02:48,445
and maintenance charges by 25% per EDU

1283
01:02:48,905 --> 01:02:52,085
to institute an annual rate escalator to be applied

1284
01:02:52,085 --> 01:02:53,565
to the operations and maintenance charge

1285
01:02:53,665 --> 01:02:54,965
and the pump maintenance charge.

1286
01:02:54,965 --> 01:02:58,285
Effective July 1st, 2027 in each subsequent,

1287
01:02:58,415 --> 01:03:00,685
subsequent July 1st thereafter.

1288
01:03:03,125 --> 01:03:05,265
Second, we have a motion and a second.

1289
01:03:05,365 --> 01:03:09,155
Any discussion on this item? Seeing none.

1290
01:03:09,215 --> 01:03:12,195
All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed?

1291
01:03:13,745 --> 01:03:14,745
Four zero

1292
01:03:16,225 --> 01:03:17,255
Thank you commissioners.

1293
01:03:17,645 --> 01:03:19,935
Item four on pages 10, 11, and 12.

1294
01:03:20,805 --> 01:03:22,855
This is for the sellersville water

1295
01:03:22,995 --> 01:03:24,655
and sewer subdistrict rates.

1296
01:03:25,345 --> 01:03:27,855
Again, the county owns and operates the public water

1297
01:03:27,915 --> 01:03:29,895
and sewer system serving the town of Sellersville

1298
01:03:29,895 --> 01:03:31,895
through Sellersville water and sewer subdistrict.

1299
01:03:32,825 --> 01:03:35,055
Again, a comprehensive financial review found

1300
01:03:35,055 --> 01:03:37,695
that existing rates no longer generate sufficient revenue

1301
01:03:37,795 --> 01:03:40,015
to cover the actual cost of operating, maintaining,

1302
01:03:40,015 --> 01:03:42,775
and servicing debt associated with these systems.

1303
01:03:43,395 --> 01:03:46,335
And again, staff recommends San Commission authorized public

1304
01:03:46,335 --> 01:03:48,415
hearing to consider revisions to the sellersville water

1305
01:03:48,415 --> 01:03:49,495
and sewer rate schedule.

1306
01:03:50,495 --> 01:03:53,935
And the, these proposed changes do include a phased three

1307
01:03:53,935 --> 01:03:56,415
year adjustment to those water and sewer rates.

1308
01:03:56,875 --> 01:03:58,095
And again, we would like to hold

1309
01:03:58,095 --> 01:04:00,815
that on July the 28th in order to be prepared for

1310
01:04:01,435 --> 01:04:03,815
implementation by the October billing cycle.

1311
01:04:04,365 --> 01:04:08,415
Okay, I moved to hold a public hearing on July 28th, 2026

1312
01:04:08,415 --> 01:04:10,135
to adopt a southville water

1313
01:04:10,195 --> 01:04:12,455
and sewer service area rate schedule

1314
01:04:12,555 --> 01:04:14,455
and consider the following rate adjustments.

1315
01:04:15,115 --> 01:04:17,335
Number one, to institute a customer charge

1316
01:04:17,335 --> 01:04:19,495
of $12 per quarter per account.

1317
01:04:19,915 --> 01:04:22,815
Number two, to institute a minimum quarterly flow

1318
01:04:22,915 --> 01:04:26,295
of 4,550 gallons per quarter

1319
01:04:26,435 --> 01:04:28,055
to all improved properties.

1320
01:04:28,475 --> 01:04:30,535
Number three, to institute a ready

1321
01:04:30,555 --> 01:04:33,935
to serve exemption program to assist homeowners with limited

1322
01:04:35,045 --> 01:04:38,255
incomes currently defined as a gross income

1323
01:04:38,255 --> 01:04:40,735
of $38,484 or less.

1324
01:04:41,195 --> 01:04:43,695
Number four, to increase the current water

1325
01:04:43,755 --> 01:04:46,975
and sewer ready to serve, charge and usage.

1326
01:04:46,995 --> 01:04:51,375
Charge by 30 oops, 35% for both water

1327
01:04:51,395 --> 01:04:55,095
and sewer to the, to be effective October 1st, 2026

1328
01:04:55,875 --> 01:04:59,775
To increase the rates established on October 1st, 2026

1329
01:04:59,835 --> 01:05:01,615
by 15% for sewer

1330
01:05:01,835 --> 01:05:03,215
and 5% for water

1331
01:05:03,635 --> 01:05:07,255
to be effective July 1st, 2027.

1332
01:05:07,835 --> 01:05:12,335
And to increase the rates established July 1st, 2027 by 15%

1333
01:05:12,915 --> 01:05:17,285
for sewer and 5% for water effective July 1st, 2028.

1334
01:05:17,905 --> 01:05:21,365
Number five, to institute an annual rate escalator

1335
01:05:21,665 --> 01:05:24,605
to be applied to the water and sewer ready to serve

1336
01:05:24,705 --> 01:05:29,245
and usage charge of 5% to be applied July 1st, 2029.

1337
01:05:29,665 --> 01:05:32,325
And each subsequent, subsequent July 1st thereafter.

1338
01:05:32,665 --> 01:05:36,725
And number six, to institute an annual allocation for,

1339
01:05:37,105 --> 01:05:40,325
excuse me, to institute an annual allocation fee escalator

1340
01:05:40,665 --> 01:05:42,885
for new development to be applied to the water

1341
01:05:42,885 --> 01:05:45,885
and sewer allocation charges of 2.5%

1342
01:05:46,385 --> 01:05:49,725
to be applied July 1st, 2027 in each subsequent

1343
01:05:49,725 --> 01:05:50,805
July one thereafter.

1344
01:05:52,335 --> 01:05:55,115
So second, we have a motion and a second discussion.

1345
01:05:55,345 --> 01:05:56,675
Alan, I thought Yeah,

1346
01:05:56,715 --> 01:05:58,635
I was gonna say we should probably explain a lot of this.

1347
01:05:58,735 --> 01:06:00,155
Yes. And I'll start off and then Alan,

1348
01:06:00,155 --> 01:06:01,755
you can fill in all the blanks with your expertise,

1349
01:06:01,855 --> 01:06:03,875
but, so for those not aware,

1350
01:06:04,015 --> 01:06:08,435
the Sellersville plant was upgraded in 2000 6, 7, 8

1351
01:06:08,435 --> 01:06:10,035
timeframe with the anticipation

1352
01:06:10,035 --> 01:06:11,995
that two large communities were gonna come online

1353
01:06:12,015 --> 01:06:13,075
and support the project.

1354
01:06:13,295 --> 01:06:16,475
Yep. Fortunately, with the housing bust, neither one

1355
01:06:16,475 --> 01:06:19,915
of those communities became established and

1356
01:06:19,915 --> 01:06:21,835
therefore the plant moved forward.

1357
01:06:22,305 --> 01:06:25,715
It's created a lot of debt on the back end with USDA

1358
01:06:25,715 --> 01:06:28,955
and other sources of in of money to upgrade to plant.

1359
01:06:29,935 --> 01:06:32,315
And it's been pretty much in that situation

1360
01:06:32,315 --> 01:06:35,155
for the last 15 years under the town's,

1361
01:06:37,495 --> 01:06:40,155
the town commissioners are the ones that have run it up

1362
01:06:40,155 --> 01:06:42,515
until, I guess last year, two years ago now, I guess,

1363
01:06:43,735 --> 01:06:45,755
in toll, MES Well, MES ran it,

1364
01:06:45,755 --> 01:06:46,875
but the town commissioners had control

1365
01:06:46,875 --> 01:06:48,315
of the purse strings and everything else.

1366
01:06:49,055 --> 01:06:51,555
Two years ago the county stepped in

1367
01:06:51,555 --> 01:06:53,755
because it was basically going bankrupt

1368
01:06:54,335 --> 01:06:56,435
and services weren't gonna be able to be provided.

1369
01:06:56,935 --> 01:06:59,875
So it's been a painstaking thing for the commissioners

1370
01:06:59,875 --> 01:07:04,675
to have to step in first and even go down this road.

1371
01:07:04,675 --> 01:07:06,155
But unfortunately with sewer

1372
01:07:06,155 --> 01:07:08,275
and water, it is enterprise zones,

1373
01:07:08,275 --> 01:07:09,675
which means it's user funded.

1374
01:07:10,595 --> 01:07:12,835
I, we met with the commissioners who went

1375
01:07:12,835 --> 01:07:15,635
and met with their townspeople, came back with this is a,

1376
01:07:15,795 --> 01:07:18,235
a really good compromise based on the severity of

1377
01:07:18,235 --> 01:07:19,755
where the plant lies today.

1378
01:07:20,775 --> 01:07:23,195
So hopefully the hearing will, will be able

1379
01:07:23,195 --> 01:07:26,115
to share more information out to the public in that area.

1380
01:07:26,695 --> 01:07:27,755
But I think this,

1381
01:07:27,815 --> 01:07:29,315
in three years we will actually get

1382
01:07:29,315 --> 01:07:30,355
the plant in a good shape.

1383
01:07:30,455 --> 01:07:31,715
In good shape financially,

1384
01:07:32,735 --> 01:07:36,115
and the users will, it'll kind of settle out.

1385
01:07:36,575 --> 01:07:40,115
The good news is too, they have two housing projects

1386
01:07:40,145 --> 01:07:43,115
that are due to come online in Su Louisville over the

1387
01:07:43,115 --> 01:07:45,155
next two to five years.

1388
01:07:45,355 --> 01:07:49,115
Just say that will put an additional 300 plus homes there,

1389
01:07:49,115 --> 01:07:52,195
which will greatly reduce a lot of this

1390
01:07:52,785 --> 01:07:54,755
long-term effect of the sewer plant.

1391
01:07:54,775 --> 01:07:57,075
So there is a silver lining to where we're going with this.

1392
01:07:57,095 --> 01:07:58,875
And it is painful to have to do this,

1393
01:07:59,155 --> 01:08:00,235
honestly, as far as I'm concerned.

1394
01:08:00,235 --> 01:08:03,275
But it, unfortunately it is necessary at this point.

1395
01:08:03,535 --> 01:08:05,515
So, anything else you got, Alan,

1396
01:08:06,815 --> 01:08:08,795
One of the things you asked us to look at is the impact

1397
01:08:08,795 --> 01:08:11,475
of growth and it would make a huge difference if

1398
01:08:11,475 --> 01:08:12,715
and when it comes, right?

1399
01:08:12,735 --> 01:08:13,875
That's the, that's the issue.

1400
01:08:13,895 --> 01:08:17,405
And also these rates, as drastic as they may seem,

1401
01:08:17,405 --> 01:08:19,005
that only get, brings us to a breakeven.

1402
01:08:19,005 --> 01:08:20,605
There's no reserves being built up.

1403
01:08:20,605 --> 01:08:22,645
There's no capital program being set aside

1404
01:08:22,645 --> 01:08:26,085
for this is simply to keep the, the operation moving

1405
01:08:26,385 --> 01:08:28,965
and having the customers pay the cost of the operation.

1406
01:08:28,965 --> 01:08:31,525
There's, it's just, we're looking for breakeven.

1407
01:08:32,985 --> 01:08:36,845
One other thing, if in order for us to be able

1408
01:08:36,845 --> 01:08:38,845
to implement the Ready to Serve exemption program

1409
01:08:39,185 --> 01:08:41,725
by October, which would help out the low income people, I,

1410
01:08:42,165 --> 01:08:45,405
I really have to start that process now

1411
01:08:45,585 --> 01:08:46,685
to get the applications in.

1412
01:08:46,685 --> 01:08:48,445
Because what I have to do is send 'em to the comptroller

1413
01:08:48,705 --> 01:08:49,885
to verify their income,

1414
01:08:49,885 --> 01:08:52,285
which takes a long time, four to six weeks.

1415
01:08:52,945 --> 01:08:55,725
So if you decide not to go that route,

1416
01:08:55,725 --> 01:08:57,045
which I can't imagine you would,

1417
01:08:57,105 --> 01:08:58,765
but we just throw the applications away.

1418
01:08:59,265 --> 01:09:02,125
But I really need to start canvassing the public now

1419
01:09:02,125 --> 01:09:03,485
to get those applications in.

1420
01:09:03,485 --> 01:09:05,165
Something you need from us to start your canvas?

1421
01:09:05,235 --> 01:09:07,765
Nope. Just say Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

1422
01:09:10,075 --> 01:09:13,845
Okay. Very good. Alright, any,

1423
01:09:14,465 --> 01:09:16,845
any additional on this item or you got anything else

1424
01:09:16,865 --> 01:09:17,865
Now?

1425
01:09:17,865 --> 01:09:21,085
No, I really need to know by Monday the location and time

1426
01:09:22,025 --> 01:09:23,565
For the, For the advertisements.

1427
01:09:24,345 --> 01:09:26,765
Middle school? Well, we'll, we'll have to wait.

1428
01:09:26,765 --> 01:09:27,805
We do the budget, get a location.

1429
01:09:28,245 --> 01:09:30,085
We were thinking six 30 or seven. Yeah.

1430
01:09:30,335 --> 01:09:31,725
Seven. Yeah. Seven. Seven.

1431
01:09:31,735 --> 01:09:33,205
Seven o'clock at the middle school,

1432
01:09:33,205 --> 01:09:34,325
right where we do the budget here.

1433
01:09:34,325 --> 01:09:35,685
Maybe we can try for the middle school. What about

1434
01:09:35,695 --> 01:09:36,805
since it's summer weather or not?

1435
01:09:36,805 --> 01:09:39,045
It's open to, yeah. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. Maybe

1436
01:09:39,045 --> 01:09:40,045
The Firehouse Middle School.

1437
01:09:40,045 --> 01:09:41,245
We can, we can check those couple

1438
01:09:41,265 --> 01:09:42,565
venues, but those would be the two

1439
01:09:42,565 --> 01:09:43,565
Firehouse has rooms.

1440
01:09:43,565 --> 01:09:45,285
Firehouse. Yeah, the firehouse. Okay. Yeah.

1441
01:09:46,535 --> 01:09:50,355
So he needs that by the firehouse,

1442
01:09:50,355 --> 01:09:51,395
right? As long as they're, yep.

1443
01:09:51,505 --> 01:09:53,275
Yeah, we'll check with them. Okay.

1444
01:09:55,095 --> 01:09:58,395
That's about it for me. Very good. Thank you.

1445
01:10:00,495 --> 01:10:02,355
Moving on. Yep. Alright. Thank you gentlemen.

1446
01:10:03,425 --> 01:10:06,355
Alright, Moving on. Commissioners. Tab three. We have

1447
01:10:06,705 --> 01:10:07,705
Vote.

1448
01:10:07,705 --> 01:10:09,555
We did. Yeah, we voted. We did. Did we not vote?

1449
01:10:09,655 --> 01:10:10,875
Not on the second when we haven't voted yet.

1450
01:10:10,875 --> 01:10:11,955
Did you get the vote on that or did not vote?

1451
01:10:12,095 --> 01:10:14,515
No, we did not vote. Oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me.

1452
01:10:14,665 --> 01:10:16,715
Okay, well we have a motion in a second.

1453
01:10:17,135 --> 01:10:20,435
All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed?

1454
01:10:21,845 --> 01:10:25,435
There you go. Alright. Todd gets so excited.

1455
01:10:25,455 --> 01:10:28,555
We talked about sewer, he just, that's he just, he just kind

1456
01:10:30,295 --> 01:10:31,675
brings him back to the days.

1457
01:10:33,665 --> 01:10:35,195
Alright, commissioners, moving into

1458
01:10:35,195 --> 01:10:36,235
the action items this evening.

1459
01:10:36,575 --> 01:10:38,915
Tab number three, item one.

1460
01:10:38,915 --> 01:10:41,075
On pages one through five we have the Mako

1461
01:10:41,655 --> 01:10:43,515
annual accomplishments list

1462
01:10:43,995 --> 01:10:46,755
and the FFY 2027 dues and assessments.

1463
01:10:47,435 --> 01:10:49,555
They've submitted their membership dues invoice

1464
01:10:49,615 --> 01:10:52,195
and once again dues remain frozen.

1465
01:10:52,305 --> 01:10:55,195
This is 17 consecutive years

1466
01:10:55,195 --> 01:10:56,915
where they have not increased their dues

1467
01:10:56,935 --> 01:10:59,195
for county governments and one penny.

1468
01:11:00,185 --> 01:11:02,195
It's been a great year this past year,

1469
01:11:02,295 --> 01:11:05,395
as I'm sure our past president, Mr. Jack Wilson, here,

1470
01:11:05,395 --> 01:11:06,755
commissioner Jack Wilson can attest to.

1471
01:11:06,775 --> 01:11:09,675
So this would be recommended for approval.

1472
01:11:10,995 --> 01:11:12,955
I move to pay the invoice to Maryland Association

1473
01:11:13,005 --> 01:11:14,885
of Counties for the FY 27 dues

1474
01:11:14,885 --> 01:11:17,685
and assessments in the amount of $15,113.

1475
01:11:17,905 --> 01:11:21,725
Second, you got motion? Motion to second. Any discussion?

1476
01:11:22,285 --> 01:11:24,045
Chiefess lobbyists. Annapolis, right there.

1477
01:11:24,425 --> 01:11:26,405
Yep, that's true. That's very true.

1478
01:11:27,545 --> 01:11:30,285
All those in favor signify saying aye. Aye. Opposed?

1479
01:11:31,145 --> 01:11:32,145
So moved.

1480
01:11:32,755 --> 01:11:35,205
Alright, thank you commissioners. Item two on page six.

1481
01:11:35,205 --> 01:11:37,125
This is from Marque Ians County Health Officer.

1482
01:11:37,835 --> 01:11:41,645
This is requesting approval for the FY 2027

1483
01:11:42,445 --> 01:11:44,085
contract along with the option to extend

1484
01:11:44,085 --> 01:11:45,165
for additional five years

1485
01:11:45,625 --> 01:11:48,405
for non-emergency ambulance transportation medical

1486
01:11:48,405 --> 01:11:49,405
assistance services.

1487
01:11:50,205 --> 01:11:53,605
The amount of this particular service contract caps out at

1488
01:11:53,605 --> 01:11:54,845
$96,000

1489
01:11:54,945 --> 01:11:57,845
and this is state funded dollars

1490
01:11:57,955 --> 01:12:01,485
that the county health Department operates the program for.

1491
01:12:03,605 --> 01:12:07,125
I move to approve the Queen s County Department of Health.

1492
01:12:07,125 --> 01:12:10,285
Enter into the FY 27 contract along with the option

1493
01:12:10,285 --> 01:12:12,445
to extend up to five additional fiscal year terms

1494
01:12:12,825 --> 01:12:14,605
for non-emergency ambulance, transportation,

1495
01:12:14,675 --> 01:12:17,125
medical assistance, transportation services

1496
01:12:17,435 --> 01:12:21,485
with AM van LLC transacting as AAA transport.

1497
01:12:21,485 --> 01:12:23,445
This service contract is not to exceed the amount

1498
01:12:23,445 --> 01:12:24,685
of $96,000.

1499
01:12:24,985 --> 01:12:27,725
Second we have a motion. Second. Any discussion?

1500
01:12:28,825 --> 01:12:32,005
Seeing none, all those in favors. Second favor say aye. Aye.

1501
01:12:32,105 --> 01:12:34,245
Aye. Here you go

1502
01:12:34,745 --> 01:12:35,745
It.

1503
01:12:35,745 --> 01:12:37,765
Thank you Commissioners. And item three is a similar item.

1504
01:12:37,765 --> 01:12:40,125
This is also from our health officer

1505
01:12:40,345 --> 01:12:42,325
and this is requesting approval

1506
01:12:42,345 --> 01:12:44,765
for their FY 27 contract along with the option

1507
01:12:44,765 --> 01:12:47,765
for an additional five years for the ambulatory

1508
01:12:47,865 --> 01:12:50,405
and non-ambulatory wheelchair medical assistance

1509
01:12:50,405 --> 01:12:51,405
transportation services.

1510
01:12:52,125 --> 01:12:54,085
And the amount of that service contract is not

1511
01:12:54,085 --> 01:12:55,765
to exceed $800,000.

1512
01:12:55,865 --> 01:12:58,845
And again, it's with AAA transport.

1513
01:12:58,845 --> 01:13:00,485
And that I will mention too that this,

1514
01:13:00,595 --> 01:13:04,045
both these contracts were competitively bid on e Maryland

1515
01:13:04,045 --> 01:13:07,325
marketplace and we only had one bidder for these contracts.

1516
01:13:07,345 --> 01:13:09,085
The only service provider really in the region.

1517
01:13:09,185 --> 01:13:11,285
So just wanted to make sure you were aware of that.

1518
01:13:11,285 --> 01:13:13,405
And again, this is a, a state funded,

1519
01:13:15,745 --> 01:13:17,785
I move to approve that the Queen Annes County Department

1520
01:13:17,785 --> 01:13:20,705
of Health enter into the FY 27 contract with the option

1521
01:13:20,705 --> 01:13:23,345
to extend up to five additional fiscal year terms

1522
01:13:23,485 --> 01:13:25,905
for ambulatory and non-ambulatory medical assistance

1523
01:13:25,905 --> 01:13:29,545
transportation services with AM V-A-L-L-C transacting

1524
01:13:29,565 --> 01:13:30,905
as AAA transport.

1525
01:13:31,015 --> 01:13:33,105
This service contract is not to exceed the amount

1526
01:13:33,105 --> 01:13:34,305
of $800,000.

1527
01:13:34,805 --> 01:13:36,705
Second. And these are fee for services.

1528
01:13:37,005 --> 01:13:40,265
So it's just a, basically a knock to exceed. Yeah. Yep.

1529
01:13:41,405 --> 01:13:44,745
And we have a motion in a second. Any discussion? See you.

1530
01:13:44,745 --> 01:13:46,985
None. All those in favor signify Aye. Of us saying aye. Aye.

1531
01:13:47,045 --> 01:13:50,425
Aye. Aye. Opposed? So moved.

1532
01:13:51,235 --> 01:13:55,385
Thank you commissioners. Item four on page eight is a

1533
01:13:56,005 --> 01:13:58,865
letter of support addressed

1534
01:13:58,865 --> 01:14:00,985
to Governor Moore endorsing the town

1535
01:14:00,985 --> 01:14:03,985
of Centerville's wastewater treatment plan expansion project

1536
01:14:04,125 --> 01:14:06,145
and the town's request for state funding

1537
01:14:06,685 --> 01:14:09,945
and assistance to advance this critical infrastructure

1538
01:14:09,945 --> 01:14:11,885
investment for the town of Centerville.

1539
01:14:12,385 --> 01:14:15,165
And they also sent letters, similar letters,

1540
01:14:15,525 --> 01:14:17,925
requesting support from our delegation members as

1541
01:14:17,925 --> 01:14:18,925
Well.

1542
01:14:18,925 --> 01:14:19,485
I move to execute the town

1543
01:14:19,485 --> 01:14:21,925
of Centerville wastewater treatment plant

1544
01:14:22,435 --> 01:14:24,085
expansion project support letter

1545
01:14:24,425 --> 01:14:25,685
to the governor of Maryland.

1546
01:14:26,985 --> 01:14:29,845
Second, we have a motion and a second.

1547
01:14:30,145 --> 01:14:33,035
Any further discussion? Seeing you? None.

1548
01:14:33,035 --> 01:14:35,955
All those in favor signify by saying Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed?

1549
01:14:36,895 --> 01:14:37,895
So moved.

1550
01:14:38,985 --> 01:14:40,355
Alright, thank you commissioners.

1551
01:14:40,745 --> 01:14:43,835
Item five is a letter in support

1552
01:14:43,895 --> 01:14:46,115
of Chesapeake College's grant application

1553
01:14:46,115 --> 01:14:48,795
to the rural Maryland Prosperity Investment Fund

1554
01:14:48,795 --> 01:14:51,235
for the development of the Queen Edge technical building.

1555
01:14:52,115 --> 01:14:54,235
This will be a letter that we'll be getting later

1556
01:14:54,935 --> 01:14:56,195
for signature by all

1557
01:14:56,195 --> 01:14:59,235
of the Chesapeake College counties via DocuSign.

1558
01:14:59,705 --> 01:15:03,115
Just need your approval to have Commissioner Moran sign

1559
01:15:03,115 --> 01:15:05,595
that when it comes in and the application is

1560
01:15:05,595 --> 01:15:08,675
for $112,875,

1561
01:15:08,805 --> 01:15:12,395
which will help offset design expenses incurred by the

1562
01:15:13,065 --> 01:15:15,795
five counties for the Queen and Tech center.

1563
01:15:17,155 --> 01:15:19,115
I move to agree to execute the letter of support

1564
01:15:19,135 --> 01:15:20,555
for Chesapeake College's application

1565
01:15:20,555 --> 01:15:22,395
to the rural Maryland Prosperity Investment Fund

1566
01:15:22,395 --> 01:15:24,675
for the development of the Queen End's technical building

1567
01:15:24,735 --> 01:15:27,275
via DocuSign when the document is ready for signature.

1568
01:15:27,775 --> 01:15:29,235
Second, we have a motion

1569
01:15:29,235 --> 01:15:30,675
to second any discussion on this item.

1570
01:15:31,735 --> 01:15:34,035
And I also believe I read that they're gonna also

1571
01:15:34,665 --> 01:15:37,675
next year will apply for construction.

1572
01:15:37,895 --> 01:15:41,075
Yes. Grant as well. So yeah, the, yeah,

1573
01:15:43,055 --> 01:15:44,675
all those in favor signify to say aye.

1574
01:15:44,935 --> 01:15:47,155
Aye. Aye. Opposed? So moved.

1575
01:15:49,895 --> 01:15:52,155
All right. Commissioners. Item number six.

1576
01:15:54,135 --> 01:15:55,315
Do we wanna do seven first?

1577
01:15:55,385 --> 01:15:57,435
Yeah, we can. Sure. That's a good idea Commissioner. Yeah.

1578
01:15:57,435 --> 01:16:01,075
Item number seven, this is engineering services

1579
01:16:01,095 --> 01:16:04,675
for Kent Narrows, Thompson Creek Landing Bulkhead

1580
01:16:04,695 --> 01:16:06,595
and Matta Peak boat ramp replacement.

1581
01:16:06,775 --> 01:16:07,955
So our department parks

1582
01:16:07,955 --> 01:16:11,955
and recreation held a bid open bids on June 22nd

1583
01:16:12,135 --> 01:16:13,275
for engineering services.

1584
01:16:13,495 --> 01:16:16,555
For the three projects I mentioned, four bids were received

1585
01:16:16,555 --> 01:16:18,075
and they're recommending award of the lowest

1586
01:16:18,615 --> 01:16:20,315
to the lowest bidder jewels, miles,

1587
01:16:20,315 --> 01:16:24,035
and Bureau from Salisbury $97,810.

1588
01:16:24,215 --> 01:16:26,675
And we do have some grant dollars from the Waterway

1589
01:16:26,675 --> 01:16:29,395
Improvement Fund to help out with those three projects.

1590
01:16:30,295 --> 01:16:32,515
You owe Jack Big time. What's that?

1591
01:16:32,575 --> 01:16:34,915
You owe Jack Big time do for moving you up the list.

1592
01:16:36,275 --> 01:16:39,675
I do appreciate it. A little earlier.

1593
01:16:39,775 --> 01:16:41,635
It would've been great, but this is good.

1594
01:16:43,425 --> 01:16:44,075
What took you so long?

1595
01:16:48,335 --> 01:16:49,875
So you want the motion first? Go ahead Chris.

1596
01:16:50,115 --> 01:16:52,115
I moved to authorize the Department of Parks

1597
01:16:52,115 --> 01:16:53,515
and Recreations to contract

1598
01:16:53,515 --> 01:16:55,475
with engineering services George Miles

1599
01:16:55,495 --> 01:16:58,035
and Burr, LLC from Salisbury, Maryland

1600
01:16:58,575 --> 01:17:02,155
for the Kent Narrows landing Thompson Creek Landing

1601
01:17:02,175 --> 01:17:05,075
and Manatee Boat ramp projects for a total amount

1602
01:17:05,075 --> 01:17:07,275
of $97,810.

1603
01:17:07,585 --> 01:17:11,565
Utilizing the MD DNR Waterway Improvement Fund grants.

1604
01:17:12,945 --> 01:17:15,565
Second. We got a motion in second discussion.

1605
01:17:17,715 --> 01:17:19,225
We're all good, right? We're all good.

1606
01:17:19,285 --> 01:17:20,905
So actually yeah, let's do the motion

1607
01:17:21,065 --> 01:17:22,065
'cause I actually have a question for James

1608
01:17:22,065 --> 01:17:25,065
after this in relation to the RIVERKEEPERS presentation.

1609
01:17:25,065 --> 01:17:29,105
Oh, different Yeah, different just outta So these,

1610
01:17:29,575 --> 01:17:31,785
this is just the engineering to to design

1611
01:17:32,325 --> 01:17:33,465
new ramps? Correct.

1612
01:17:33,805 --> 01:17:35,225
Oh wow. And bulkhead two

1613
01:17:35,225 --> 01:17:36,745
Bulkhead repairs one ramp

1614
01:17:37,245 --> 01:17:38,305
and it's just repairing

1615
01:17:38,305 --> 01:17:40,225
and replacing them. It's not a new site.

1616
01:17:40,695 --> 01:17:43,385
Okay, Great. For Saint Grant funded. Alright,

1617
01:17:43,415 --> 01:17:44,415
Well we have a motion.

1618
01:17:44,415 --> 01:17:47,625
We have a second. All those in favor signify to saying aye.

1619
01:17:47,925 --> 01:17:50,665
Aye. Aye. Opposed? So moved for that.

1620
01:17:50,725 --> 01:17:52,505
And you want to, yeah, so, so,

1621
01:17:52,505 --> 01:17:54,945
and the river keepers, they, she was showing

1622
01:17:54,945 --> 01:17:56,425
where they took a lot of their

1623
01:17:57,335 --> 01:17:59,865
metrics were at boat landings.

1624
01:17:59,985 --> 01:18:02,065
I just, how, I don't know how that's a good place

1625
01:18:02,065 --> 01:18:04,865
to be taken at water quality metric when you have boats in

1626
01:18:04,865 --> 01:18:07,705
and out there with fuel and a lot of things going on there.

1627
01:18:07,865 --> 01:18:09,345
I, I don't know, I was just questioning

1628
01:18:09,465 --> 01:18:10,785
'cause you looked at some of the other ones that weren't

1629
01:18:10,785 --> 01:18:11,865
related to boat landings.

1630
01:18:11,895 --> 01:18:13,065
They were in much better shape.

1631
01:18:13,085 --> 01:18:14,145
Do do you see that

1632
01:18:14,145 --> 01:18:16,305
where the water quality right there at the boat landing,

1633
01:18:16,525 --> 01:18:17,665
if you go out 50 feet,

1634
01:18:17,695 --> 01:18:19,385
it's probably much better 50 feet out than it

1635
01:18:19,385 --> 01:18:20,545
is actually at the boat landing.

1636
01:18:20,785 --> 01:18:23,105
I mean to my, in my common sense mine, I would think

1637
01:18:23,105 --> 01:18:24,265
so, but I don't know.

1638
01:18:25,945 --> 01:18:28,665
I wasn't part of that presentation, so I'm, I'm not,

1639
01:18:28,805 --> 01:18:30,145
I'm catching up a little bit here.

1640
01:18:30,145 --> 01:18:33,585
Okay. I'm glad they're study.

1641
01:18:33,685 --> 01:18:38,065
You know, people are getting out on the water, which is

1642
01:18:38,065 --> 01:18:42,985
what we're want and yeah, the boat ramps are a place

1643
01:18:42,995 --> 01:18:45,865
where, you know, it's the interface with land and water

1644
01:18:45,885 --> 01:18:49,745
and a lot of times the runoff is coming off there so.

1645
01:18:50,225 --> 01:18:51,305
Right. Yeah. Okay.

1646
01:18:51,905 --> 01:18:52,905
I know they help us out

1647
01:18:52,905 --> 01:18:54,865
with the swimming beaches at matte.

1648
01:18:55,345 --> 01:18:56,425
I think they're studying that one.

1649
01:18:56,525 --> 01:18:57,825
So does MDE and

1650
01:18:57,825 --> 01:18:59,905
that's really our only public swimming beach.

1651
01:18:59,905 --> 01:19:01,145
But, and that was the other question

1652
01:19:01,165 --> 01:19:03,145
and we didn't really haven't that much time with them,

1653
01:19:03,145 --> 01:19:04,505
but that was what I was gonna say is most of

1654
01:19:04,505 --> 01:19:06,025
that they're testing aren't swimmable anyway.

1655
01:19:06,025 --> 01:19:07,145
People aren't supposed to be swimming

1656
01:19:07,645 --> 01:19:10,585
or should we be telling them go swim in there

1657
01:19:10,585 --> 01:19:11,825
because the conditions are right.

1658
01:19:11,985 --> 01:19:13,865
'cause there none of 'em are certified swimming

1659
01:19:13,865 --> 01:19:15,265
places in Queen Annes County.

1660
01:19:16,115 --> 01:19:18,105
Right. As far as I know, it's only matter

1661
01:19:18,715 --> 01:19:19,715
Matte beaches.

1662
01:19:19,715 --> 01:19:21,785
That's the only one I'm saying matte is our only beach

1663
01:19:21,785 --> 01:19:23,345
that's certified for swimming county Beach County.

1664
01:19:23,345 --> 01:19:25,785
Yeah, there's some rules. I'm not the expert on that.

1665
01:19:25,895 --> 01:19:27,345
It's other folks are handling that,

1666
01:19:27,365 --> 01:19:29,625
but they're swim anywhere as far as swimming beaches,

1667
01:19:29,625 --> 01:19:33,385
you need a shower, a bathroom close by and things like that.

1668
01:19:35,775 --> 01:19:37,545
Yeah, that's my question. I was just wondering why they

1669
01:19:37,545 --> 01:19:39,465
would be testing there if they're not really swimming

1670
01:19:39,465 --> 01:19:41,065
areas or swimming. So,

1671
01:19:41,135 --> 01:19:42,945
Well, I think it was part of it where she alluded

1672
01:19:42,965 --> 01:19:45,385
to the fact that, you know, if it's a kayak launch

1673
01:19:45,385 --> 01:19:47,945
or a canoe launch, you're still stepping into that water

1674
01:19:48,565 --> 01:19:49,865
so you're still being exposed.

1675
01:19:50,025 --> 01:19:53,305
I gotcha. They're trying to bring information that way. But

1676
01:19:53,855 --> 01:19:56,065
Yeah, I think you can make the argument people are tubing

1677
01:19:56,085 --> 01:19:59,185
and getting, you know, the, our boaters are interfacing

1678
01:19:59,185 --> 01:20:00,305
with the water, so Yeah,

1679
01:20:01,005 --> 01:20:02,305
I'm just saying at the landing though.

1680
01:20:02,305 --> 01:20:03,865
Yeah, right. It just seems to me it should be

1681
01:20:03,865 --> 01:20:05,585
somewhere away from the landing.

1682
01:20:05,845 --> 01:20:07,885
And I think there's a, a certain standard of

1683
01:20:07,905 --> 01:20:10,645
how far out into the water they're supposed to go.

1684
01:20:10,665 --> 01:20:12,005
And again, that's, that goes

1685
01:20:12,005 --> 01:20:13,645
with consistency and consistency

1686
01:20:13,645 --> 01:20:15,085
Of the test taker too.

1687
01:20:15,085 --> 01:20:16,005
They also, they're, they have to get

1688
01:20:16,205 --> 01:20:17,325
locations where there's public access.

1689
01:20:17,325 --> 01:20:19,405
That's probably why sometimes it's at the landings

1690
01:20:19,865 --> 01:20:21,005
is the only place they get the access.

1691
01:20:21,425 --> 01:20:24,565
But if we get a couple more of these locations for them,

1692
01:20:24,575 --> 01:20:26,965
we'll get a better feel for how it is

1693
01:20:26,985 --> 01:20:28,005
as you're sort of going down the

1694
01:20:28,435 --> 01:20:29,435
Line.

1695
01:20:29,435 --> 01:20:29,845
Right. Which are non landing locations.

1696
01:20:29,845 --> 01:20:31,045
That's what I'm thinking is

1697
01:20:31,695 --> 01:20:32,805
Might be better. Hopefully.

1698
01:20:32,805 --> 01:20:34,885
Yeah. Yeah. You would hope you're gonna see

1699
01:20:34,885 --> 01:20:36,005
more yellow or green at least.

1700
01:20:36,105 --> 01:20:37,105
Yep. So

1701
01:20:38,305 --> 01:20:43,085
We are trying to look into ways to intercept

1702
01:20:43,845 --> 01:20:45,925
material before it gets into the water as

1703
01:20:45,925 --> 01:20:47,325
that interface point. So

1704
01:20:47,625 --> 01:20:49,165
At the landing itself. Yeah. Gotcha.

1705
01:20:49,285 --> 01:20:51,685
I, I have some preliminary work

1706
01:20:51,865 --> 01:20:53,765
behind the scenes we're working on, on that.

1707
01:20:54,685 --> 01:20:58,795
Excellent. Very good. Thank you. Thank you.

1708
01:20:58,795 --> 01:21:00,835
Thank you for the bump up. Yep. Appreciate

1709
01:21:00,835 --> 01:21:01,835
It.

1710
01:21:06,575 --> 01:21:07,915
All right, thanks gentlemen. Okay,

1711
01:21:09,575 --> 01:21:10,835
Now the next item. Yep.

1712
01:21:10,835 --> 01:21:12,635
Our final item is item number six.

1713
01:21:12,825 --> 01:21:17,035
This is a follow up to the presentation we had a couple

1714
01:21:17,035 --> 01:21:18,915
of months ago on the building moratorium.

1715
01:21:19,535 --> 01:21:21,275
We have some findings recommendations

1716
01:21:21,335 --> 01:21:22,475
and we would like

1717
01:21:22,475 --> 01:21:23,955
to seek out some policy direction

1718
01:21:23,955 --> 01:21:25,035
from the board of commissioners.

1719
01:21:25,575 --> 01:21:27,675
So I think we have a number of the committee members here.

1720
01:21:27,795 --> 01:21:31,235
I think come on up, Steve Cahoon and

1721
01:21:31,655 --> 01:21:34,555
and Director Quimbee are gonna lead, lead us

1722
01:21:34,555 --> 01:21:37,315
through a couple of these policy questions.

1723
01:21:37,455 --> 01:21:42,115
But we, we still have a lot of work to do, yet we have

1724
01:21:42,115 --> 01:21:45,355
to update and adopt the comprehensive water and sewer plan

1725
01:21:45,895 --> 01:21:48,315
and the associated sewer allocation policy

1726
01:21:49,295 --> 01:21:52,475
and related to that the county's adequate public facilities

1727
01:21:52,475 --> 01:21:55,555
ordinance and the memo in the book outlines

1728
01:21:55,695 --> 01:21:58,515
and some of the findings, the appendix in that

1729
01:21:59,145 --> 01:22:03,835
item in the book on page 20, no, I'm sorry, the last page

1730
01:22:03,835 --> 01:22:06,555
of the memo does show the, the

1731
01:22:07,835 --> 01:22:10,355
appendix A on page 17, the remaining

1732
01:22:11,875 --> 01:22:12,915
capacity at the sewer plant

1733
01:22:13,245 --> 01:22:16,875
where we had the allocations set aside for residential,

1734
01:22:16,875 --> 01:22:18,475
commercial and climate resiliency.

1735
01:22:18,735 --> 01:22:21,755
And then the re-rating capacity in the buckets

1736
01:22:21,755 --> 01:22:22,795
for public health concern,

1737
01:22:23,235 --> 01:22:25,955
unidentified public health concern areas, non-residential

1738
01:22:25,955 --> 01:22:27,435
and residential infill uses.

1739
01:22:27,435 --> 01:22:28,875
So all, all, all in,

1740
01:22:28,895 --> 01:22:32,075
we have about 450,000 gallons remaining.

1741
01:22:32,375 --> 01:22:34,275
So we want get some direction from the commissioners

1742
01:22:35,175 --> 01:22:38,475
how we are going to allocate that

1743
01:22:38,655 --> 01:22:41,515
and if we're gonna have annual caps, winter to be allocated.

1744
01:22:41,615 --> 01:22:45,635
And then Steve will be going over several additions

1745
01:22:45,635 --> 01:22:48,475
and modifications to the adequate public facilities policy

1746
01:22:48,575 --> 01:22:51,075
and ordinance for school capacities.

1747
01:22:51,615 --> 01:22:53,995
So with that commissioner, have any

1748
01:22:54,665 --> 01:22:57,755
initial questions before we get started?

1749
01:22:57,855 --> 01:23:00,155
And I'll let, I don't know who wants to start first

1750
01:23:00,315 --> 01:23:03,675
Actually, have we, I mean we had an initial presentation

1751
01:23:03,675 --> 01:23:07,205
on this a while back and there was some social media

1752
01:23:07,525 --> 01:23:08,645
outreach for citizens.

1753
01:23:08,645 --> 01:23:10,125
Have we gotten any input from any

1754
01:23:10,445 --> 01:23:11,725
citizens by email or anything?

1755
01:23:13,065 --> 01:23:14,845
Not to my knowledge. Yeah, we have,

1756
01:23:14,845 --> 01:23:19,205
we've received very limited feedback from the presentation

1757
01:23:19,425 --> 01:23:22,405
on, on the proposal that we had laid out before.

1758
01:23:26,795 --> 01:23:31,685
Well, just so folks know who are watching, there tends

1759
01:23:31,685 --> 01:23:34,245
to be a lot of people who voice concerns about

1760
01:23:34,485 --> 01:23:36,365
whenever there's a development or something that's approved.

1761
01:23:37,265 --> 01:23:38,285
That's what this is about.

1762
01:23:38,715 --> 01:23:42,165
This is about what resources are available

1763
01:23:42,305 --> 01:23:46,085
for future development from Can island up to Queenstown.

1764
01:23:46,745 --> 01:23:49,965
And so if you have strong feelings one way

1765
01:23:49,965 --> 01:23:52,245
or the other about what should be loud,

1766
01:23:52,245 --> 01:23:54,525
what shouldn't be loud, how it should be mitigated,

1767
01:23:54,825 --> 01:23:58,485
how it should be sequenced, this is like a big deal,

1768
01:23:58,485 --> 01:24:03,005
important thing to be active as a citizen.

1769
01:24:03,685 --> 01:24:06,405
'cause if you're not, and then a year from now there's

1770
01:24:06,405 --> 01:24:08,885
something that you don't like, you know,

1771
01:24:08,885 --> 01:24:10,325
there's gonna be a new policy that's in place

1772
01:24:10,545 --> 01:24:11,645
and this is the opportunity.

1773
01:24:11,785 --> 01:24:14,885
So just so people know that the words been put out there,

1774
01:24:14,885 --> 01:24:19,485
but there's been shockingly little feedback on it.

1775
01:24:25,435 --> 01:24:25,655
Go

1776
01:24:25,655 --> 01:24:26,655
Ahead Steve.

1777
01:24:26,655 --> 01:24:28,095
You wanna kick it off? No, I'll take it. Okay.

1778
01:24:30,355 --> 01:24:32,775
The final component of the water and sewer plan

1779
01:24:32,775 --> 01:24:35,695
before we can put put publish it for adoption is the water

1780
01:24:35,695 --> 01:24:36,975
and sewer allocation policy.

1781
01:24:37,155 --> 01:24:39,295
If you recall, we were here a couple months ago.

1782
01:24:40,115 --> 01:24:42,055
One of the things we proposed was quarterly

1783
01:24:42,775 --> 01:24:46,095
restricting application applicants for allocation quarterly,

1784
01:24:46,095 --> 01:24:47,175
which wasn't well received.

1785
01:24:47,235 --> 01:24:48,295
So that's off the table.

1786
01:24:48,605 --> 01:24:51,735
There's only really two components left that we need answers

1787
01:24:51,755 --> 01:24:54,935
to to finalize the draft sewer allocation policy

1788
01:24:55,075 --> 01:24:56,495
as one for residential.

1789
01:24:57,115 --> 01:24:59,015
Do you wish to meter out the allocation,

1790
01:24:59,015 --> 01:25:00,975
remaining allocation 70 gallons per year?

1791
01:25:01,435 --> 01:25:03,335
And if so, how many gallons per year?

1792
01:25:03,755 --> 01:25:06,495
Or just leave it as it is now on demand?

1793
01:25:07,595 --> 01:25:08,775
And the second one is,

1794
01:25:08,865 --> 01:25:13,015
where in the development review process would a project be

1795
01:25:13,535 --> 01:25:15,655
eligible for asking for allocation?

1796
01:25:15,725 --> 01:25:18,215
Currently they have to go through concept plan review

1797
01:25:18,215 --> 01:25:20,055
and approval and then they can ask for the allocation.

1798
01:25:20,875 --> 01:25:23,575
One proposal put forth was to hold it to the very end

1799
01:25:23,575 --> 01:25:26,895
of the process, which I guess that's on the table as well.

1800
01:25:27,875 --> 01:25:29,895
I'm not sure how you feel about either of those things.

1801
01:25:29,915 --> 01:25:31,815
But again, to frame 'em up, we need

1802
01:25:31,815 --> 01:25:33,215
to know if you wanna meter out the

1803
01:25:33,215 --> 01:25:34,615
residential allocation or not.

1804
01:25:35,235 --> 01:25:38,375
And we need to know where in the process you want the A

1805
01:25:38,375 --> 01:25:40,415
project to be eligible to request the allocation.

1806
01:25:41,815 --> 01:25:44,195
That's the direction we need at, at the moment.

1807
01:25:44,295 --> 01:25:45,555
As far as allocation policy,

1808
01:25:49,345 --> 01:25:51,915
Well I think just from my perspective,

1809
01:25:52,035 --> 01:25:55,115
metering out the allocation makes sense to me

1810
01:25:55,265 --> 01:25:58,995
because you have a big project that come in

1811
01:25:58,995 --> 01:26:01,475
and it gobbles it all up and then it's gone or a large,

1812
01:26:02,175 --> 01:26:03,365
and then you don't have a lot left.

1813
01:26:04,345 --> 01:26:08,855
We don't know what the county might need six years from now.

1814
01:26:09,635 --> 01:26:13,255
And so metering it out gives that flexibility to

1815
01:26:13,875 --> 01:26:16,095
future citizens, future commissioners to use

1816
01:26:16,095 --> 01:26:18,935
that allocation without having it all used up quickly.

1817
01:26:19,035 --> 01:26:21,735
So I, I think there's some, some logic to it.

1818
01:26:22,685 --> 01:26:26,215
Then the other side I guess would be, if, if it's too rigid,

1819
01:26:26,445 --> 01:26:30,455
then you may prevent certain projects that do make sense

1820
01:26:30,485 --> 01:26:31,935
that need a larger allocation.

1821
01:26:36,195 --> 01:26:38,655
But I wouldn't wanna see it all gobbled up quickly

1822
01:26:39,155 --> 01:26:41,855
and then there's nothing and then, you know, there's some

1823
01:26:43,275 --> 01:26:46,335
who knows what it is that we need that now we we're,

1824
01:26:46,335 --> 01:26:47,415
we're in a, a bind

1825
01:26:47,415 --> 01:26:51,295
because when this is gone absent new technology, like

1826
01:26:51,315 --> 01:26:52,895
that's it for the county new we,

1827
01:26:52,905 --> 01:26:55,215
there are some change in laws at the federal

1828
01:26:55,215 --> 01:26:56,335
level or new technology.

1829
01:26:56,335 --> 01:26:57,335
This is it.

1830
01:26:58,125 --> 01:26:59,295
Yeah, no, I'm definitely in favor

1831
01:26:59,295 --> 01:27:01,135
of metering what that number is.

1832
01:27:01,535 --> 01:27:04,975
I I still have to think about that before, I mean,

1833
01:27:04,975 --> 01:27:09,695
and take a look at our net, you're saying four 50,

1834
01:27:09,755 --> 01:27:11,255
but is that taking the institutional

1835
01:27:11,255 --> 01:27:12,855
and everything outta of that or that's the total

1836
01:27:12,925 --> 01:27:14,975
450,000 gallons.

1837
01:27:15,045 --> 01:27:18,055
Yeah, the 150,000 remaining in the current plant

1838
01:27:18,275 --> 01:27:19,855
and then the 300,000

1839
01:27:20,695 --> 01:27:21,695
Rerating.

1840
01:27:21,695 --> 01:27:23,935
Yeah, but only a hundred thousand goes to residential.

1841
01:27:23,935 --> 01:27:25,095
We're only talking about residential.

1842
01:27:25,105 --> 01:27:26,975
Right. So you got a hundred thousand basically.

1843
01:27:27,205 --> 01:27:28,895
Yeah. Yeah. To be clear, we weren't talking about,

1844
01:27:29,115 --> 01:27:31,095
at least we weren't initially talking about metering

1845
01:27:31,455 --> 01:27:32,815
commercial allocation.

1846
01:27:33,025 --> 01:27:36,255
Right. Or public health needs or institutional uses.

1847
01:27:36,255 --> 01:27:38,295
Just the residential 150,000.

1848
01:27:38,475 --> 01:27:41,055
And historically those have not been ones that have sort

1849
01:27:41,055 --> 01:27:43,215
of used large volumes at once.

1850
01:27:43,215 --> 01:27:44,975
Correct. So they almost sort of like

1851
01:27:45,535 --> 01:27:47,615
historically have been self metering themselves.

1852
01:27:47,615 --> 01:27:50,095
Correct. Yeah. Residential users consume

1853
01:27:50,115 --> 01:27:51,335
the bulk of the allocation.

1854
01:27:51,395 --> 01:27:52,455
So we had suggested

1855
01:27:52,455 --> 01:27:55,135
before a 10,000 gallon per year cap

1856
01:27:56,175 --> 01:27:58,535
for residential allocations out of the re-rating

1857
01:27:59,325 --> 01:28:00,535
that was, that was 40

1858
01:28:00,675 --> 01:28:01,675
Single Family homes.

1859
01:28:01,675 --> 01:28:02,545
About 40. Yep.

1860
01:28:04,265 --> 01:28:07,685
And just to, this is not a, a one and done situation.

1861
01:28:07,795 --> 01:28:10,365
This is something that as projects come in

1862
01:28:10,465 --> 01:28:14,365
as sewer allocation is allocated, we would keep, have,

1863
01:28:14,505 --> 01:28:16,485
you know, keep the commission informed right.

1864
01:28:16,785 --> 01:28:19,205
On where we are. And if policy changes

1865
01:28:19,465 --> 01:28:21,605
or changes are needed to the allocation policy,

1866
01:28:21,605 --> 01:28:24,765
you could change, it could get tighter or looser.

1867
01:28:24,865 --> 01:28:29,605
So if at, if at a certain point there were no caps,

1868
01:28:29,955 --> 01:28:33,445
then a, a year later we came back to revisit it,

1869
01:28:33,455 --> 01:28:35,485
those caps could be put in place.

1870
01:28:35,705 --> 01:28:39,245
So this is a, a starting point as we move forward

1871
01:28:39,465 --> 01:28:41,325
and we could, and we're going to,

1872
01:28:41,355 --> 01:28:43,245
it's gonna be an ongoing annual process.

1873
01:28:43,945 --> 01:28:46,365
But I think the caps also keep the county from getting into

1874
01:28:46,645 --> 01:28:49,405
a bind legally with a development that comes in

1875
01:28:49,675 --> 01:28:51,285
that just say wants 500 homes

1876
01:28:51,745 --> 01:28:54,565
and that's gonna gobble it all up for say,

1877
01:28:54,605 --> 01:28:55,805
a two year foreseeable future.

1878
01:28:57,455 --> 01:29:00,315
And we say no because we have another project

1879
01:29:00,495 --> 01:29:01,765
or whatever the case may be.

1880
01:29:01,905 --> 01:29:03,725
And that, and that begs me

1881
01:29:03,725 --> 01:29:07,085
to my next question was I brought up the concern about this

1882
01:29:07,085 --> 01:29:09,445
group of commissioners can't sit up here and pick

1883
01:29:09,445 --> 01:29:11,565
and choose who gets housing and who doesn't.

1884
01:29:12,065 --> 01:29:15,365
And I feel like that's a situation that's gonna be a very

1885
01:29:16,235 --> 01:29:18,925
hard unintended consequence that's gonna be out of this,

1886
01:29:19,125 --> 01:29:20,845
the way this is drafted now.

1887
01:29:21,385 --> 01:29:22,205
And I know you're shaking

1888
01:29:22,205 --> 01:29:23,325
your head, Alex, 'cause you knew that.

1889
01:29:23,605 --> 01:29:25,045
I mean, and, and it, I get it,

1890
01:29:25,105 --> 01:29:27,725
but it's, it's like we have to come up with a system of how

1891
01:29:28,075 --> 01:29:30,085
that is me if we're gonna meter it, there's gotta be

1892
01:29:30,745 --> 01:29:32,965
the rule's gotta be very clear as to how it's metered

1893
01:29:33,105 --> 01:29:35,845
and you know, whether it's first come first served the end

1894
01:29:35,845 --> 01:29:37,365
of the day due to commissioners get the final

1895
01:29:37,365 --> 01:29:38,405
beat oath, that kind of thing.

1896
01:29:38,445 --> 01:29:39,725
I think all that's gotta be thought about

1897
01:29:39,725 --> 01:29:40,925
before we just jump into this.

1898
01:29:41,165 --> 01:29:42,605
'cause this is it. I I said it

1899
01:29:42,605 --> 01:29:44,605
during all these forums and stuff.

1900
01:29:44,605 --> 01:29:46,485
We had this is it, this is gonna be something

1901
01:29:46,485 --> 01:29:48,325
that's gonna stick with Queen Annes County till

1902
01:29:48,425 --> 01:29:49,445
the end of Queen Annes County.

1903
01:29:49,505 --> 01:29:51,845
Now, like to your point, unless technology changes

1904
01:29:51,905 --> 01:29:53,165
and there's something drastically happens

1905
01:29:53,265 --> 01:29:55,525
and it all just disappears in the air

1906
01:29:55,525 --> 01:29:56,605
after you flush a toilet.

1907
01:29:56,785 --> 01:29:58,765
But I don't think that's coming anytime soon.

1908
01:29:58,865 --> 01:30:02,205
So, and then the other one is the clawback.

1909
01:30:02,225 --> 01:30:04,805
We already have a clawback feature for

1910
01:30:06,245 --> 01:30:07,405
developments now.

1911
01:30:07,405 --> 01:30:09,485
Right. For if they don't break ground, blah, blah,

1912
01:30:09,485 --> 01:30:11,685
blah clawback For the allocation,

1913
01:30:12,005 --> 01:30:13,765
clawback allocation, we already have that in place.

1914
01:30:13,765 --> 01:30:16,685
Right. I noticed that was one of the things that was on here

1915
01:30:16,985 --> 01:30:18,485
to decide on, but I think we already

1916
01:30:18,485 --> 01:30:19,525
have something in place for that.

1917
01:30:19,525 --> 01:30:23,765
Correct? We do. Okay. So I mean I'm good with that.

1918
01:30:23,785 --> 01:30:26,845
And then the A PFO side, obviously that'll work itself out.

1919
01:30:27,385 --> 01:30:29,085
And you, Steve, you did all those numbers

1920
01:30:29,265 --> 01:30:34,085
and I understand that there is some maybe shift on Yeah,

1921
01:30:34,105 --> 01:30:35,525
so we'll get into AP F.

1922
01:30:35,525 --> 01:30:37,645
Okay. You wanna just do the sewer part for if you wanna go

1923
01:30:37,645 --> 01:30:39,325
through sewer, then we'll shift to AP FO.

1924
01:30:39,325 --> 01:30:40,325
Okay.

1925
01:30:40,865 --> 01:30:42,645
And, and so, so people understand too,

1926
01:30:42,645 --> 01:30:45,765
what we're talking about at, at 10,000, this is for

1927
01:30:46,585 --> 01:30:47,605
new development proposals.

1928
01:30:47,605 --> 01:30:49,125
There are, there are developments

1929
01:30:49,125 --> 01:30:50,685
that already have allocations

1930
01:30:50,685 --> 01:30:53,685
but have not yet put a shovel in the ground order in the

1931
01:30:53,685 --> 01:30:54,765
process of putting shovel in the ground.

1932
01:30:54,835 --> 01:30:56,845
They've already got allocation that's outside

1933
01:30:56,845 --> 01:30:58,085
of what we're talking about.

1934
01:30:58,085 --> 01:31:02,605
Correct. Here. So Southern Ken Island, a house that,

1935
01:31:02,605 --> 01:31:04,645
there's a lot that hasn't been built yet,

1936
01:31:04,645 --> 01:31:06,565
but it's buildable that's already sort of accounted for.

1937
01:31:06,565 --> 01:31:08,485
Correct. In a separate allocation.

1938
01:31:08,485 --> 01:31:09,965
So we're not talking about that doesn't stop

1939
01:31:09,975 --> 01:31:11,925
those from going forward.

1940
01:31:11,925 --> 01:31:14,725
These would be new developments. Right.

1941
01:31:14,805 --> 01:31:17,405
I think some people don't understand that distinction.

1942
01:31:18,685 --> 01:31:20,505
And if you do do a metering, you have to, we'll have

1943
01:31:20,505 --> 01:31:22,385
to set a date when it takes effect.

1944
01:31:22,445 --> 01:31:24,265
As you know, there are three

1945
01:31:25,205 --> 01:31:27,945
or at least two, there's three projects in the wings

1946
01:31:28,055 --> 01:31:29,745
that were held up by the moratorium.

1947
01:31:29,755 --> 01:31:31,865
Right. So you need to keep those in consideration.

1948
01:31:31,925 --> 01:31:34,105
One of 'em actually fits under the 10,000,

1949
01:31:34,125 --> 01:31:35,625
so I'm sure about that one.

1950
01:31:35,625 --> 01:31:36,905
But the other two would exceed

1951
01:31:36,905 --> 01:31:39,145
to 10,000 if the 10,000 is the number you pick.

1952
01:31:46,005 --> 01:31:50,015
Well also, I mean I think we need to keep in mind that

1953
01:31:50,785 --> 01:31:53,735
these appendix A at any given time,

1954
01:31:55,475 --> 01:31:58,095
the sitting commissioners could vote to move some

1955
01:31:58,095 --> 01:32:00,365
of the allocations from one category to another.

1956
01:32:00,865 --> 01:32:03,245
All they have to do is amend the word sew plan. That's it.

1957
01:32:03,245 --> 01:32:06,605
Right? Yeah. Right. So I mean I, I think that's something

1958
01:32:06,605 --> 01:32:10,455
that's, I think that's a good thing.

1959
01:32:11,295 --> 01:32:13,575
I mean, I think the Queen Annes County has,

1960
01:32:13,795 --> 01:32:16,055
and shoot me now if you want,

1961
01:32:16,075 --> 01:32:18,215
but it's always been a bedroom community

1962
01:32:19,125 --> 01:32:21,185
and that's why there's so many commuters.

1963
01:32:21,245 --> 01:32:24,835
But I don't know, I look at,

1964
01:32:24,995 --> 01:32:29,355
I look at this from another standpoint, the Clean Water Act,

1965
01:32:30,095 --> 01:32:31,795
the T MDLs, that's why we're here.

1966
01:32:32,655 --> 01:32:35,395
We have 3.3 million gallons of discharge

1967
01:32:35,945 --> 01:32:38,075
into the Chesapeake Bay where

1968
01:32:38,075 --> 01:32:39,475
what we're discharging is a hell

1969
01:32:39,475 --> 01:32:41,555
of a lot cleaner than what's out in, in that bay.

1970
01:32:42,335 --> 01:32:46,035
And we have 3.3 million gallons for a county

1971
01:32:46,105 --> 01:32:48,595
that has 53,000 people in it.

1972
01:32:49,375 --> 01:32:53,115
And I look around all around us in the capacity that a lot

1973
01:32:53,115 --> 01:32:54,115
of these other counties have.

1974
01:32:54,415 --> 01:32:56,755
We are the first one to run into this

1975
01:32:57,335 --> 01:33:00,795
in the Chesapeake Bay watershed to reach our, our limits.

1976
01:33:01,015 --> 01:33:02,835
And our limits are, were very, very low.

1977
01:33:03,015 --> 01:33:05,515
And, and I, I would like to see some sort of report on

1978
01:33:06,055 --> 01:33:09,115
all the other counties and municipalities that discharge

1979
01:33:09,815 --> 01:33:12,675
and what kind of ratings they had to begin with.

1980
01:33:12,675 --> 01:33:16,235
Because, you know, I approached Senator Sarbanes

1981
01:33:17,645 --> 01:33:20,035
three or four years ago about this when we saw this coming.

1982
01:33:20,655 --> 01:33:21,955
And I said, you know, what are we gonna do?

1983
01:33:22,115 --> 01:33:23,715
I mean, you you, you're gonna shut down a,

1984
01:33:23,995 --> 01:33:25,675
a county's ability to grow

1985
01:33:25,735 --> 01:33:28,595
and without growth, we all know what that means with taxes.

1986
01:33:28,975 --> 01:33:31,555
So he goes, that's very interesting.

1987
01:33:31,795 --> 01:33:34,115
You know, let me look into it. And crickets.

1988
01:33:34,255 --> 01:33:38,155
So I just think that, you know, while we do the metering

1989
01:33:38,535 --> 01:33:39,595
and I don't have a problem with that,

1990
01:33:39,675 --> 01:33:44,255
I think it's gonna be difficult to, to get that up

1991
01:33:44,255 --> 01:33:46,855
and running because like you said, you know, if,

1992
01:33:46,855 --> 01:33:49,695
if the property's gonna need a lot of improvements to it

1993
01:33:49,715 --> 01:33:51,255
before one house is built

1994
01:33:51,275 --> 01:33:52,695
and you can only build so many houses,

1995
01:33:53,615 --> 01:33:55,055
I think we're gonna see a lot of things not

1996
01:33:55,055 --> 01:33:56,455
being cost effective.

1997
01:33:57,075 --> 01:33:59,055
So, and and again, that's just the Well, the housing,

1998
01:33:59,055 --> 01:34:00,255
housing cost goes Yeah.

1999
01:34:00,715 --> 01:34:04,205
Way up. Right. So, you know, those that have, you know,

2000
01:34:05,225 --> 01:34:06,445
are looking for workforce housing,

2001
01:34:07,075 --> 01:34:08,925
this is gonna push hard against it.

2002
01:34:08,925 --> 01:34:11,725
I think. I, it's, there's no doubt, right?

2003
01:34:11,825 --> 01:34:14,285
It it's, and that's where the municipalities, I think that,

2004
01:34:14,285 --> 01:34:15,405
you know, they have to step up.

2005
01:34:15,405 --> 01:34:18,405
Right. You know, and that's so, I mean I'm just giving

2006
01:34:18,405 --> 01:34:19,485
that information out there.

2007
01:34:19,545 --> 01:34:23,045
So I, you know, I don't know how we wanna proceed from here

2008
01:34:23,305 --> 01:34:27,645
to get that daily or or annual allocation out there,

2009
01:34:27,785 --> 01:34:30,365
but were you thinking 10,000 gallons?

2010
01:34:30,525 --> 01:34:31,845
I haven't honestly really haven't.

2011
01:34:31,845 --> 01:34:32,685
That's just a number we

2012
01:34:32,685 --> 01:34:33,965
pulled out here that's they threw out.

2013
01:34:33,965 --> 01:34:35,125
Right. So, yeah.

2014
01:34:35,195 --> 01:34:37,085
Well, and again, it's how many gallons

2015
01:34:37,325 --> 01:34:39,725
for a single family we allocated two 50.

2016
01:34:40,265 --> 01:34:44,765
Two 50 per home. Okay. And Amy's already left.

2017
01:34:44,765 --> 01:34:46,485
I wanted how many homes got built last year?

2018
01:34:48,275 --> 01:34:49,355
I, I think, well,

2019
01:34:49,355 --> 01:34:52,635
and I said this too, I think we're looking at a bad com.

2020
01:34:52,805 --> 01:34:54,275
We're at a bad stage to compare

2021
01:34:54,275 --> 01:34:58,245
because we've had 20 years of homes

2022
01:34:58,275 --> 01:34:59,965
that are now getting built that have been

2023
01:34:59,965 --> 01:35:00,965
through legal challenges

2024
01:35:00,985 --> 01:35:02,405
and things like that, that are actually getting,

2025
01:35:02,585 --> 01:35:03,885
so it looks a lot worse now,

2026
01:35:03,885 --> 01:35:05,125
but it's really just catching up to

2027
01:35:05,125 --> 01:35:07,885
what is already allocated, was already in the pipeline,

2028
01:35:08,025 --> 01:35:10,085
was already permitted in a lot of instances.

2029
01:35:10,865 --> 01:35:14,405
And so as that tails off, I think we talked about this.

2030
01:35:14,425 --> 01:35:16,725
Now as that tails off, you go back and look traditionally

2031
01:35:16,725 --> 01:35:18,125
before that with in,

2032
01:35:18,125 --> 01:35:21,605
in normal growth times it was less than 40.

2033
01:35:21,865 --> 01:35:25,485
You know what I mean? So I that's, I think that's 10,000.

2034
01:35:25,485 --> 01:35:29,325
Right? We figure 40 is 10,000. So, but it was less than 40.

2035
01:35:29,425 --> 01:35:31,565
So again, looking at what we're doing today,

2036
01:35:31,605 --> 01:35:32,805
I don't know, it was a good comparison.

2037
01:35:32,865 --> 01:35:35,725
But 40 seems like a reasonable number in my mind just

2038
01:35:35,725 --> 01:35:38,005
because of the old growth rates that what,

2039
01:35:38,035 --> 01:35:39,645
what you were seeing was less than that.

2040
01:35:39,925 --> 01:35:42,445
I think I looked at some numbers a little while back

2041
01:35:43,325 --> 01:35:44,775
that over the last eight years,

2042
01:35:45,215 --> 01:35:48,095
commissioner voted on new residential units

2043
01:35:48,755 --> 01:35:49,975
is about 88 a year.

2044
01:35:51,045 --> 01:35:52,215
Okay. That's It.

2045
01:35:53,595 --> 01:35:54,775
You talking about single family homes,

2046
01:35:55,195 --> 01:35:56,695
No re residential units.

2047
01:35:56,695 --> 01:35:59,015
So that includes like the senior complexes

2048
01:35:59,035 --> 01:36:01,055
and all those things, but apartments and

2049
01:36:01,055 --> 01:36:02,215
Two including Yep.

2050
01:36:02,395 --> 01:36:03,495
It averages out to about, well,

2051
01:36:03,495 --> 01:36:04,695
Apartments can be residential now too.

2052
01:36:04,695 --> 01:36:06,335
You gotta remember, so I

2053
01:36:06,335 --> 01:36:09,095
Think it average out to about 80 80 a year based on some

2054
01:36:09,095 --> 01:36:11,495
of the spreadsheet I was looking at.

2055
01:36:11,885 --> 01:36:13,615
Obviously you see a lot more being built

2056
01:36:13,615 --> 01:36:15,415
because Four Seasons was not right.

2057
01:36:15,415 --> 01:36:18,135
Voted on by us. Southern Can Island was not voted on us,

2058
01:36:18,475 --> 01:36:20,455
may, Hove, Ellendale, all of those were,

2059
01:36:20,475 --> 01:36:22,015
as you're talking about retreat, the ones

2060
01:36:22,015 --> 01:36:23,495
that have been in Yeah.

2061
01:36:23,495 --> 01:36:25,575
Sort of like this rubber band that had been pulled back

2062
01:36:25,575 --> 01:36:27,135
and then it got finally let go.

2063
01:36:27,635 --> 01:36:29,055
And now we're seeing that. Yeah.

2064
01:36:29,055 --> 01:36:31,335
But actual ones, the commissioners have voted on far,

2065
01:36:31,395 --> 01:36:33,095
far less than what people think.

2066
01:36:33,435 --> 01:36:36,895
But that's sort of gives you a numbered look at like, so if

2067
01:36:36,895 --> 01:36:39,415
that's 88 and if we had 40 at 10,000, that's 40.

2068
01:36:39,415 --> 01:36:42,815
So it's like half now, all those 88, you know,

2069
01:36:42,845 --> 01:36:45,295
that they approved but not yet all built. Right.

2070
01:36:45,355 --> 01:36:46,855
But some are, but some apartments too, right?

2071
01:36:46,875 --> 01:36:48,855
I'm, I'm thinking you got apartments in there, town homes,

2072
01:36:48,855 --> 01:36:50,495
you got Slippery Hill, there's town homes.

2073
01:36:50,775 --> 01:36:54,055
I mean, so there's size and, and, and quantity.

2074
01:36:54,155 --> 01:36:55,855
We gotta look at that too, in my mind. Right.

2075
01:36:55,855 --> 01:36:56,855
That's what you're getting.

2076
01:37:01,895 --> 01:37:04,595
How about, let's do the easy one. Hopefully it's easy.

2077
01:37:05,025 --> 01:37:08,315
When in the process do you wanna keep as it is now as

2078
01:37:08,335 --> 01:37:10,075
to when they can ask for the allocation?

2079
01:37:10,075 --> 01:37:11,475
Or do you wanna push it further down

2080
01:37:12,015 --> 01:37:13,795
the development review cycle?

2081
01:37:14,335 --> 01:37:15,595
That's a good question. I,

2082
01:37:15,775 --> 01:37:18,355
and that's one that gets asked a lot too,

2083
01:37:18,455 --> 01:37:19,875
is when should they have to be,

2084
01:37:20,105 --> 01:37:21,395
when should they have to ask for it?

2085
01:37:21,395 --> 01:37:24,955
It's like when they're $500,000 into design or before

2086
01:37:24,985 --> 01:37:27,555
They 5,000, you pull the rug out, out under,

2087
01:37:27,995 --> 01:37:29,315
they've spent hundreds of thousands

2088
01:37:29,315 --> 01:37:30,515
of dollars on design fees.

2089
01:37:33,275 --> 01:37:34,915
I mean, I feel like that's,

2090
01:37:35,135 --> 01:37:36,435
to me that's the first look, right?

2091
01:37:36,435 --> 01:37:38,995
If you don't have sewer on water in an area

2092
01:37:38,995 --> 01:37:40,955
that requires it, you're not gonna build anything.

2093
01:37:43,665 --> 01:37:44,875
Well what's the pro and the con

2094
01:37:44,875 --> 01:37:46,075
to the two? I mean, but, but,

2095
01:37:46,075 --> 01:37:48,515
But I would think they have to do like a con concept plan.

2096
01:37:48,625 --> 01:37:50,755
Like a concept plan first, right.

2097
01:37:50,895 --> 01:37:52,275
And then in between that

2098
01:37:52,415 --> 01:37:54,035
and go into that next level

2099
01:37:54,035 --> 01:37:55,445
of planning, I would think would be the point.

2100
01:37:55,585 --> 01:37:57,525
But before they're hundreds, hundreds of thousands of

2101
01:37:57,525 --> 01:37:58,525
Dollars, right?

2102
01:37:58,525 --> 01:37:59,045
Yeah. 'cause the next level of planning

2103
01:37:59,045 --> 01:38:01,445
after concept plan is now they're all in at that point.

2104
01:38:01,475 --> 01:38:03,445
Yeah. So now they're into a PO

2105
01:38:03,445 --> 01:38:04,565
studies and all that kind of stuff.

2106
01:38:04,705 --> 01:38:07,655
So, and then we can adjust where that is.

2107
01:38:07,855 --> 01:38:11,535
'cause right now isn't the A PFO post that a PFOS

2108
01:38:11,855 --> 01:38:14,255
between concept and preliminary.

2109
01:38:15,005 --> 01:38:17,615
Okay. But so you need, you need a allocation.

2110
01:38:18,765 --> 01:38:21,415
Same time actually same time, same time. Okay. You also

2111
01:38:21,415 --> 01:38:22,415
Have to think if, if you're,

2112
01:38:22,475 --> 01:38:23,975
if you move it too far into the process

2113
01:38:24,155 --> 01:38:28,055
before they get approval, then the smaller, maybe more

2114
01:38:28,055 --> 01:38:29,255
of your local developers, there's like,

2115
01:38:29,255 --> 01:38:30,975
they're not gonna be able to shoulder

2116
01:38:30,975 --> 01:38:32,455
that kind of cost and that risk.

2117
01:38:32,555 --> 01:38:33,895
Not that risk. They're just not gonna build.

2118
01:38:34,195 --> 01:38:37,015
And so you're gonna have, you know, the larger builders from

2119
01:38:37,015 --> 01:38:39,095
outside the state that come in to do it.

2120
01:38:39,155 --> 01:38:41,775
So, you know what sort of, if, if you're, if you're trying

2121
01:38:41,775 --> 01:38:45,175
to help promote the locals who build, you know, I'm gonna go

2122
01:38:45,175 --> 01:38:49,015
and do 16 homes here, you can't make it so expensive that

2123
01:38:49,995 --> 01:38:52,605
they find out after $400,000 that it's a no go.

2124
01:38:52,915 --> 01:38:53,925
It's just something not fair.

2125
01:38:53,925 --> 01:38:55,925
If, if it's not gonna, if a location's not gonna work

2126
01:38:55,925 --> 01:38:59,125
or get approved, I think the commissioner should know sooner

2127
01:38:59,125 --> 01:39:00,445
rather rather than that late

2128
01:39:00,625 --> 01:39:02,765
To Well I think it's fair to the developer,

2129
01:39:02,945 --> 01:39:04,085
to everybody involved really.

2130
01:39:04,205 --> 01:39:05,605
I mean, and, and I guess the one thing about

2131
01:39:05,605 --> 01:39:08,405
that too is the A PFO itself, I just feel like,

2132
01:39:08,425 --> 01:39:09,565
and it's just my opinion,

2133
01:39:09,785 --> 01:39:12,445
the A PFO gets rubber stamped once you get to that stage.

2134
01:39:12,525 --> 01:39:14,525
A lot of times I don't know that they look at traffic.

2135
01:39:15,005 --> 01:39:17,165
I mean, let's face it, they, if they use the A PFO

2136
01:39:17,165 --> 01:39:18,325
for four seasons or any

2137
01:39:18,325 --> 01:39:21,525
of those from when they originally conceptualized them,

2138
01:39:22,005 --> 01:39:23,365
a lot's changed in terms of traffic.

2139
01:39:23,385 --> 01:39:24,565
So there's no way in a lot of those,

2140
01:39:24,565 --> 01:39:27,405
the traffic in my mind would pass muster to

2141
01:39:27,615 --> 01:39:29,685
where you could build, or, and the schools have changed.

2142
01:39:29,685 --> 01:39:31,125
There's a lot has changed over that time

2143
01:39:31,385 --> 01:39:32,805
and you're supposed to take all that into account.

2144
01:39:32,805 --> 01:39:35,805
But I don't know that that always gets looked at as hard

2145
01:39:35,805 --> 01:39:37,605
as it should down the road.

2146
01:39:37,785 --> 01:39:38,925
And unfortunately a lot of

2147
01:39:38,925 --> 01:39:40,005
that was because of the legal stuff.

2148
01:39:40,065 --> 01:39:43,045
But to your point, I think if you do that, at

2149
01:39:43,045 --> 01:39:44,485
that same point now they know everything.

2150
01:39:44,485 --> 01:39:45,645
They're up against like, right.

2151
01:39:45,715 --> 01:39:47,365
Like you're, you're not gonna get

2152
01:39:48,035 --> 01:39:50,125
this traffic study is gonna come back a flat f

2153
01:39:50,125 --> 01:39:51,725
and you're gonna have to do a lot of mitigation

2154
01:39:51,825 --> 01:39:53,165
for the roadways

2155
01:39:53,165 --> 01:39:54,285
and that kind of thing to get your,

2156
01:39:54,865 --> 01:39:55,885
to do what you want to do.

2157
01:39:56,345 --> 01:39:57,845
That's a, that's a big ticket item.

2158
01:39:57,915 --> 01:39:58,925
That, that may be the one

2159
01:39:58,925 --> 01:40:00,165
where they go, yeah, okay, I'm out.

2160
01:40:00,345 --> 01:40:02,685
And I just think that's fair to anybody that's coming

2161
01:40:02,685 --> 01:40:04,285
to the county looking to do something too.

2162
01:40:06,115 --> 01:40:07,205
Whether it's a business

2163
01:40:07,305 --> 01:40:10,045
or residential, whatever the case may be.

2164
01:40:15,375 --> 01:40:19,035
So I'm in favor of earlier in the process if keep it as is.

2165
01:40:19,945 --> 01:40:22,515
Yeah, I'd keep that

2166
01:40:22,535 --> 01:40:25,075
as is everything earlier in the process if we can

2167
01:40:25,585 --> 01:40:29,915
Yeah, we'll keep, we'll keep it at as, as is in the,

2168
01:40:29,915 --> 01:40:31,275
in the documents with the,

2169
01:40:31,975 --> 01:40:34,315
the recapture provisions, you know, via pwa.

2170
01:40:34,425 --> 01:40:36,075
Like we've, like we have now, right.

2171
01:40:36,455 --> 01:40:37,755
In case they don't advance. 'cause we

2172
01:40:37,755 --> 01:40:38,755
Have had project projects.

2173
01:40:38,755 --> 01:40:39,475
Right. Then we pull Yeah.

2174
01:40:39,585 --> 01:40:42,915
Pull back. Okay. Alright.

2175
01:40:47,335 --> 01:40:48,795
Now we're back to the metering question.

2176
01:40:49,975 --> 01:40:52,675
So you're saying that that 150,000 gallons is 600

2177
01:40:52,675 --> 01:40:53,675
Homes.

2178
01:40:53,825 --> 01:40:56,765
Yes. So you're saying that 600 homes,

2179
01:40:57,265 --> 01:40:59,485
the way the allocation sits right now is, is all

2180
01:40:59,485 --> 01:41:02,565
that can be done in residential until we either decide

2181
01:41:02,665 --> 01:41:05,005
to take from one of the other categories

2182
01:41:05,785 --> 01:41:09,085
or the federal government eases the T MDLs

2183
01:41:09,265 --> 01:41:11,325
and allows us to discharge more. Yeah.

2184
01:41:11,945 --> 01:41:13,965
As far as allegation goes, allocation goes,

2185
01:41:14,025 --> 01:41:16,765
the reality is homes typically don't flow two 50.

2186
01:41:17,225 --> 01:41:19,405
So how this works is as they connect,

2187
01:41:19,465 --> 01:41:21,165
you look at the actual flows through the plant

2188
01:41:21,265 --> 01:41:24,885
and capacity kind of creeps up a little bit, right.

2189
01:41:24,885 --> 01:41:26,525
Not much. Right. But Yeah.

2190
01:41:26,585 --> 01:41:28,005
But other than that, yes you're right.

2191
01:41:29,365 --> 01:41:33,025
And keep in mind too, commissioners, we have 150,000

2192
01:41:33,935 --> 01:41:38,145
gallons for public health area concern zones, which will

2193
01:41:39,015 --> 01:41:40,825
have some new infill development too if

2194
01:41:40,825 --> 01:41:41,865
public sewer goes there.

2195
01:41:41,925 --> 01:41:42,905
Marlin Farms de meaning

2196
01:41:42,905 --> 01:41:44,065
there's some vacant properties there.

2197
01:41:44,065 --> 01:41:45,825
So there will be some new home construction in those

2198
01:41:45,825 --> 01:41:46,945
communities when they get served.

2199
01:41:47,195 --> 01:41:49,305
Right? Not a lot,

2200
01:41:49,325 --> 01:41:52,145
but there will be some infill like, like Route eight. Yeah.

2201
01:41:52,845 --> 01:41:54,625
Lot like route eight. So

2202
01:41:54,625 --> 01:41:56,385
that stretches your capacity out 15 years.

2203
01:41:56,385 --> 01:41:58,225
That takes you to not the next comp plan,

2204
01:41:58,225 --> 01:41:59,425
but the next comp plan.

2205
01:41:59,845 --> 01:42:02,265
I'm sorry, what was that? If you go with the 600

2206
01:42:02,535 --> 01:42:04,225
that you just said, that's takes you out 15

2207
01:42:04,225 --> 01:42:05,345
years at 48 year.

2208
01:42:06,125 --> 01:42:10,625
So that takes you a year. I just, I I I just, I don't know.

2209
01:42:11,675 --> 01:42:13,465
Think it makes it too difficult for Yeah.

2210
01:42:13,495 --> 01:42:14,665
Some of the developers. Yeah.

2211
01:42:15,215 --> 01:42:16,345
Yeah. And then They're gonna want

2212
01:42:16,345 --> 01:42:17,665
to be more expensive where you're gonna have

2213
01:42:17,675 --> 01:42:19,345
Right. Outstate, right.

2214
01:42:19,855 --> 01:42:22,985
Yeah. Again, there's nothing magic about the 10,000.

2215
01:42:22,985 --> 01:42:25,265
We just had to have a number. Yeah, no talk about, right.

2216
01:42:25,935 --> 01:42:30,845
Yeah. I think

2217
01:42:30,845 --> 01:42:33,205
we also looked at a scenario where we

2218
01:42:34,305 --> 01:42:38,005
did not meter the remaining 50,000 gallons

2219
01:42:38,005 --> 01:42:41,485
for residential from the 150,000 gallon

2220
01:42:42,445 --> 01:42:45,605
allocation pool from the existing plant, the 3M GD plant.

2221
01:42:45,665 --> 01:42:47,485
And then we started the metering process

2222
01:42:47,635 --> 01:42:50,565
with the new re-rating allocation at

2223
01:42:50,605 --> 01:42:51,685
a hundred thousand gallons.

2224
01:42:51,825 --> 01:42:55,605
So you could, you could let it be market driven for up

2225
01:42:55,605 --> 01:42:56,925
to 50,000 gallons.

2226
01:42:57,625 --> 01:43:02,045
And then once that's exhausted, then go to metering at some,

2227
01:43:02,185 --> 01:43:05,205
at some threshold, 10,000 or 15,000. Steve, what was

2228
01:43:05,245 --> 01:43:08,365
The, in Ken Island, the sewage street,

2229
01:43:08,465 --> 01:43:11,005
the sewer, SKI, what was it?

2230
01:43:11,065 --> 01:43:13,445
You have a best guess Vacant lots. Yeah.

2231
01:43:13,745 --> 01:43:16,485
On, on 500 vacant lots that had been built on,

2232
01:43:17,445 --> 01:43:19,615
Been Had the possibility to be built on,

2233
01:43:19,635 --> 01:43:21,815
but it was 500 total lots 500,

2234
01:43:22,345 --> 01:43:25,975
Which a little more than half I think maybe even two

2235
01:43:25,975 --> 01:43:27,015
thirds have already been built.

2236
01:43:27,195 --> 01:43:27,415
Yep.

2237
01:43:32,245 --> 01:43:33,495
Yeah, when we presented

2238
01:43:34,635 --> 01:43:37,415
before the commissioner's last time, we, we

2239
01:43:38,655 --> 01:43:41,615
considered an idea, as Todd said, where we wouldn't have,

2240
01:43:41,615 --> 01:43:45,535
where we would allow for a short period of time,

2241
01:43:45,825 --> 01:43:48,175
those projects in the pipeline to come in,

2242
01:43:48,195 --> 01:43:51,645
secure their allocation, the, the projects that were,

2243
01:43:51,675 --> 01:43:53,165
were caught up in the moratorium

2244
01:43:53,165 --> 01:43:56,965
and then January one start the metering out of,

2245
01:43:57,265 --> 01:43:59,925
of the amount of, of new allocations.

2246
01:44:01,665 --> 01:44:05,695
You know, so there, there was a, a

2247
01:44:06,645 --> 01:44:10,855
kind of a hybrid of, of finish out the year,

2248
01:44:11,035 --> 01:44:12,815
let the market do what, what it's gonna do,

2249
01:44:12,875 --> 01:44:14,655
or let people request what they need

2250
01:44:14,915 --> 01:44:16,655
and then begin a metering process

2251
01:44:16,835 --> 01:44:18,015
at a certain point in time.

2252
01:44:19,645 --> 01:44:23,345
And that, you know, was a 10,000 what suggested,

2253
01:44:23,365 --> 01:44:27,665
but, well, you know, I think that part of this is trying

2254
01:44:27,665 --> 01:44:30,305
to slow growth residential growth.

2255
01:44:30,845 --> 01:44:34,525
So that means you need to count the municipalities.

2256
01:44:34,825 --> 01:44:37,325
And the question is the only one that's really close

2257
01:44:37,345 --> 01:44:38,405
to Ken Island

2258
01:44:39,105 --> 01:44:40,645
and that's where we're trying to control all

2259
01:44:40,645 --> 01:44:42,165
this is Queenstown.

2260
01:44:43,025 --> 01:44:46,405
So, you know, maybe we go to a combined

2261
01:44:47,635 --> 01:44:49,965
75 to a hundred per year,

2262
01:44:50,825 --> 01:44:53,325
but you're counting Queenstown in there also so that,

2263
01:44:53,425 --> 01:44:54,845
you know, I don't know, just like,

2264
01:44:54,955 --> 01:44:58,285
because if you say 40 here in, in Queenstown says, okay,

2265
01:44:58,285 --> 01:44:59,725
I'll do 200, 300

2266
01:45:00,345 --> 01:45:03,885
or whatever, I mean, then that's gonna really skew it

2267
01:45:03,985 --> 01:45:06,285
and make it look like that didn't work at all.

2268
01:45:06,645 --> 01:45:08,645
I don't, I don't know, I just, I think that somebody

2269
01:45:08,705 --> 01:45:11,045
but Queenstown still be using the schools and on the roads,

2270
01:45:11,255 --> 01:45:12,685
Everything else, Right?

2271
01:45:12,785 --> 01:45:15,725
That's tends to go to the next Queenstown as a municipality

2272
01:45:15,755 --> 01:45:17,205
that goes to the next conversation.

2273
01:45:17,565 --> 01:45:18,365
Honestly, that's a whole

2274
01:45:18,365 --> 01:45:19,525
different conversation at that point.

2275
01:45:19,635 --> 01:45:20,965
Well, but I'm saying it's, it's possible

2276
01:45:20,965 --> 01:45:22,965
for the ones when can I, if their development goes through

2277
01:45:23,145 --> 01:45:26,325
and, and they're gonna build a hundred homes there, maybe

2278
01:45:26,345 --> 01:45:29,925
that's, you know, do you, do you want that a hundred plus 40

2279
01:45:29,985 --> 01:45:31,485
or do you wanna just cap it at a hundred?

2280
01:45:32,125 --> 01:45:33,525
I I'm just throwing out different

2281
01:45:33,525 --> 01:45:34,925
options. Way different ways.

2282
01:45:35,245 --> 01:45:37,445
Throttle back the Right, the can island ones,

2283
01:45:37,445 --> 01:45:39,405
if Queenstown is growing at a faster pace so

2284
01:45:39,405 --> 01:45:41,605
that you still have a, a set amount of homes

2285
01:45:41,605 --> 01:45:43,685
that you're allowing Right. In a region.

2286
01:45:44,025 --> 01:45:48,045
But the net tax effect is much worse when Queenstown does

2287
01:45:48,045 --> 01:45:49,165
it versus Ken Island.

2288
01:45:49,265 --> 01:45:52,925
And we control it because Queenstown can go unvetted put a

2289
01:45:52,925 --> 01:45:54,565
hundred homes in with no,

2290
01:45:54,665 --> 01:45:55,725
but they're gonna do that regardless.

2291
01:45:55,985 --> 01:45:57,245
But no kickback to the county.

2292
01:45:57,245 --> 01:45:58,845
That means the people on Ken Island are gonna pay

2293
01:45:58,845 --> 01:46:00,885
for those homes in Queen Queenstown.

2294
01:46:00,895 --> 01:46:03,005
Right. But it, it doesn't work the other way.

2295
01:46:03,265 --> 01:46:05,645
So I I feel like that's well that's

2296
01:46:05,645 --> 01:46:06,805
because we don't have, like I said, I,

2297
01:46:06,865 --> 01:46:08,045
I'm number, but that's number.

2298
01:46:08,045 --> 01:46:10,165
But that's addressing number that's addressing the EPFO.

2299
01:46:10,445 --> 01:46:11,445
I have nothing in my head right now.

2300
01:46:11,505 --> 01:46:13,325
I'd have to really sit down and Yeah.

2301
01:46:13,385 --> 01:46:14,405
And take what you're saying.

2302
01:46:14,515 --> 01:46:16,805
Look at the countywide ville iss getting ready

2303
01:46:16,805 --> 01:46:18,485
to do 300 over the next five years.

2304
01:46:18,775 --> 01:46:23,205
Right. So what if Centerville what, what Centerville's got

2305
01:46:23,205 --> 01:46:27,525
what two large annexes that they've been sitting on for

2306
01:46:29,055 --> 01:46:31,085
three, four years that I know of now

2307
01:46:31,555 --> 01:46:32,845
that if they got their sewer,

2308
01:46:32,845 --> 01:46:33,925
they'd already be bailed them out.

2309
01:46:33,925 --> 01:46:36,285
And that's close to 600 homes if I'm not mistaken.

2310
01:46:36,385 --> 01:46:41,165
So the concentration would

2311
01:46:41,165 --> 01:46:42,285
be moving north at that point.

2312
01:46:42,425 --> 01:46:43,645
And then would you need 'em up there?

2313
01:46:43,695 --> 01:46:45,045
Would these be more affordable?

2314
01:46:45,365 --> 01:46:46,445
I mean, that's what I'm saying that's,

2315
01:46:46,445 --> 01:46:49,725
this is more than just, I, I think 10,000 in my mind,

2316
01:46:49,725 --> 01:46:51,285
10,000 right now is a good target number.

2317
01:46:51,285 --> 01:46:54,605
And that's just me For sake of this conversation,

2318
01:46:56,545 --> 01:46:59,075
What are you looking for for us to tell you like today

2319
01:46:59,255 --> 01:47:00,635
or next meeting?

2320
01:47:00,835 --> 01:47:02,355
I mean I obviously we want it today.

2321
01:47:02,755 --> 01:47:05,475
I just wanna say that I just wanted soon, soon we

2322
01:47:05,475 --> 01:47:08,355
Just, Patrick, I just want to say

2323
01:47:08,355 --> 01:47:10,395
that the number we've been throwing at,

2324
01:47:10,465 --> 01:47:14,515
I've been throwing out is 30 to 40 based upon, you know,

2325
01:47:14,635 --> 01:47:15,635
a year ago the numbers.

2326
01:47:16,895 --> 01:47:21,275
And I don't think it'd be a good idea to give one developer

2327
01:47:22,055 --> 01:47:25,955
30 or 40 houses over, you know, a year

2328
01:47:26,575 --> 01:47:28,115
for two or three years in a row.

2329
01:47:29,535 --> 01:47:33,315
So, and I, I hadn't even considered the

2330
01:47:33,315 --> 01:47:36,115
queenstown part about that.

2331
01:47:36,295 --> 01:47:38,515
So I gotta think about that too.

2332
01:47:41,825 --> 01:47:45,905
I mean, theory one developer could grab 60 to 80,

2333
01:47:45,905 --> 01:47:47,145
they could do two phases.

2334
01:47:47,465 --> 01:47:49,585
I was gonna say year one I get 10,000.

2335
01:47:49,585 --> 01:47:51,745
Year two I need the other 10,000. Yeah.

2336
01:47:52,305 --> 01:47:54,305
I haven't figured the mechanics out of the all that.

2337
01:47:54,575 --> 01:47:56,625
Yeah, well that, that's just, that's where

2338
01:47:57,495 --> 01:47:59,705
putting it on the five up here to have to decide.

2339
01:47:59,705 --> 01:48:00,865
That is where it gets tricky.

2340
01:48:00,865 --> 01:48:04,185
Because to your point, you go phase, phase phase, it's like,

2341
01:48:04,185 --> 01:48:06,265
well the commissioners just to approved 120 homes.

2342
01:48:06,295 --> 01:48:07,505
It's like, well wait a minute, right?

2343
01:48:07,525 --> 01:48:08,705
We did it through this system.

2344
01:48:08,815 --> 01:48:10,905
What does that system look like? That's my thing.

2345
01:48:11,105 --> 01:48:13,105
I don't feel comfortable. We have that system right now

2346
01:48:13,895 --> 01:48:15,825
that I, I would feel good about doing.

2347
01:48:16,305 --> 01:48:18,665
'cause you think they say we take money from developers

2348
01:48:18,925 --> 01:48:20,585
now and we know it's not true.

2349
01:48:20,845 --> 01:48:24,185
Can you imagine that? Oh my god.

2350
01:48:29,015 --> 01:48:31,065
Well that's a challenge with ra with with

2351
01:48:31,065 --> 01:48:34,425
that creating a criteria and mechanism

2352
01:48:35,005 --> 01:48:37,665
and we would have to put

2353
01:48:37,665 --> 01:48:39,145
that in place if it's not first come first

2354
01:48:39,145 --> 01:48:40,305
serve. What is it? Right?

2355
01:48:40,495 --> 01:48:41,625
Yeah. And, and

2356
01:48:41,625 --> 01:48:43,625
and what effect does that have on housing prices as well?

2357
01:48:43,945 --> 01:48:46,105
Is it an important issue because, you know,

2358
01:48:46,105 --> 01:48:48,665
housing affordability's difficult now it's gonna be,

2359
01:48:49,375 --> 01:48:51,985
it's told people they don't understand like fine

2360
01:48:51,985 --> 01:48:52,985
Demand.

2361
01:48:52,985 --> 01:48:55,265
I agree Chris, you're gonna be thinking wistfully

2362
01:48:55,265 --> 01:48:57,065
of the days of the $500,000 house on can island

2363
01:48:57,065 --> 01:48:59,945
because it's gonna change a lot

2364
01:49:00,205 --> 01:49:01,945
and like a very short period of time.

2365
01:49:02,685 --> 01:49:05,425
And then everybody else's house is their costs is their,

2366
01:49:05,635 --> 01:49:07,705
their assessments are gonna go up. 'cause

2367
01:49:07,705 --> 01:49:09,185
The market, I I hear that Chris,

2368
01:49:09,325 --> 01:49:12,825
but the comp plan has put the growth areas

2369
01:49:14,685 --> 01:49:15,905
not on island.

2370
01:49:16,655 --> 01:49:19,945
They put it up in Centerville and Barkley

2371
01:49:20,045 --> 01:49:22,065
and Sutterville

2372
01:49:22,205 --> 01:49:23,945
and that is where people should start looking.

2373
01:49:24,685 --> 01:49:26,545
That's where developers should start looking.

2374
01:49:27,535 --> 01:49:29,585
Well I think people need to look where they wanna live.

2375
01:49:29,845 --> 01:49:31,705
I'm all in favor of that. Wherever you wanna live,

2376
01:49:31,705 --> 01:49:32,705
you find a million dollar

2377
01:49:32,705 --> 01:49:33,705
home you love and you can afford it.

2378
01:49:34,405 --> 01:49:36,265
God bless you live in that million dollar home.

2379
01:49:36,325 --> 01:49:39,025
But I think, you know, to, to your point Chris,

2380
01:49:39,765 --> 01:49:40,825
to have any illusion

2381
01:49:41,215 --> 01:49:43,985
that this is gonna drive down housing crisis in Queen Annes

2382
01:49:43,985 --> 01:49:45,545
county is just that it's an illusion.

2383
01:49:45,935 --> 01:49:48,405
It's when you get that supply

2384
01:49:48,405 --> 01:49:52,405
and demand, once that supply is finite number one

2385
01:49:52,625 --> 01:49:56,485
and continues to drop off, the demand's gonna get higher.

2386
01:49:56,755 --> 01:49:58,885
It's, you know, it's no secret Queen Annes County

2387
01:49:59,265 --> 01:50:00,325
people wanna live here.

2388
01:50:00,395 --> 01:50:01,685
It's, I mean that is just what it is.

2389
01:50:02,235 --> 01:50:06,205
It's closeness to Baltimore DC it makes it a good place

2390
01:50:06,205 --> 01:50:08,605
to live other than the bridge traffic.

2391
01:50:08,745 --> 01:50:11,685
But you know, only one hurdle at a time. Yeah.

2392
01:50:12,225 --> 01:50:14,205
So promise that million dollar home is,

2393
01:50:14,205 --> 01:50:15,885
that's gonna be the starter home eight years from now.

2394
01:50:15,965 --> 01:50:17,805
I, I, I don't disagree. That's why I say don't have

2395
01:50:17,925 --> 01:50:19,325
illusions that prices are going down at

2396
01:50:19,325 --> 01:50:20,405
Queen Anne's County anytime soon.

2397
01:50:20,545 --> 01:50:20,765
So

2398
01:50:26,135 --> 01:50:27,165
Let's go to A PFO.

2399
01:50:27,165 --> 01:50:28,365
We got, yeah, let's go. We got 'em all.

2400
01:50:28,905 --> 01:50:31,005
We go to the next one. How allocations done.

2401
01:50:32,155 --> 01:50:34,725
Okay with A PFO school capacity

2402
01:50:35,265 --> 01:50:37,565
and how we calculate school capacity was one

2403
01:50:37,565 --> 01:50:39,325
of the issues brought up during the moratorium.

2404
01:50:39,965 --> 01:50:41,405
We looked at a couple different things.

2405
01:50:42,715 --> 01:50:44,685
When somebody does an adequate public,

2406
01:50:45,045 --> 01:50:46,325
a new development is proposed.

2407
01:50:47,105 --> 01:50:50,085
If it's over seven units, they have to do a school study.

2408
01:50:50,435 --> 01:50:51,765
When they do a school study,

2409
01:50:52,105 --> 01:50:55,285
we have a formula which they used to project the number

2410
01:50:55,285 --> 01:50:56,965
of school students at that project

2411
01:50:57,185 --> 01:50:58,325
or development will generate.

2412
01:51:00,445 --> 01:51:04,965
Historically we've used 0.5 students per household.

2413
01:51:05,225 --> 01:51:08,485
So every two houses generate one school age student

2414
01:51:08,665 --> 01:51:09,885
put in our school system.

2415
01:51:11,185 --> 01:51:14,325
And then for multifamily it's 0.25.

2416
01:51:14,865 --> 01:51:18,125
So we went back and looked at enrollment last year

2417
01:51:18,345 --> 01:51:20,605
and compared that to new developments,

2418
01:51:20,665 --> 01:51:22,245
new communities throughout the county

2419
01:51:22,785 --> 01:51:25,125
and looked at how many kids were in each community

2420
01:51:25,125 --> 01:51:26,525
to come up with ratios.

2421
01:51:27,065 --> 01:51:30,405
And what we found was the actual ratios

2422
01:51:30,405 --> 01:51:34,765
that we're seeing on the ground are more, are about 0.43

2423
01:51:35,345 --> 01:51:36,565
for single family home.

2424
01:51:36,825 --> 01:51:39,405
So a little bit lower than what we have been projecting

2425
01:51:39,785 --> 01:51:42,125
and 0.27 for multifamily.

2426
01:51:42,545 --> 01:51:44,765
So pretty much the same but just a little bit higher.

2427
01:51:45,425 --> 01:51:48,885
And this is a practice that should be done every 10 years

2428
01:51:48,905 --> 01:51:51,565
or so to look at market cha trends and changes.

2429
01:51:52,285 --> 01:51:55,725
So we went through that and we think that changing

2430
01:51:57,025 --> 01:52:00,845
or updating, it's updating these ratios to meet current

2431
01:52:02,115 --> 01:52:04,605
meet what we're currently seeing makes sense

2432
01:52:04,865 --> 01:52:06,125
to do with the A PFO.

2433
01:52:07,465 --> 01:52:09,645
So we're recommending that

2434
01:52:10,905 --> 01:52:14,085
we change the single family ratio from 0.5 to 0.43

2435
01:52:14,465 --> 01:52:15,845
for single family homes

2436
01:52:16,005 --> 01:52:19,325
and for multifamily homes go from 0.25 to 0.27.

2437
01:52:20,985 --> 01:52:25,325
One of the other things with A PFO is calculating pre-K

2438
01:52:26,205 --> 01:52:28,925
historically pre-K is not a required educational level.

2439
01:52:29,565 --> 01:52:31,765
However, we do have six schools

2440
01:52:31,765 --> 01:52:34,085
that include pre six elementary schools

2441
01:52:34,085 --> 01:52:35,805
that include pre-K out of eight.

2442
01:52:36,745 --> 01:52:40,965
It is turned into a regular standard practice as well

2443
01:52:40,985 --> 01:52:43,125
as being re we're seeing more

2444
01:52:43,125 --> 01:52:47,485
and more regulations from the state to,

2445
01:52:48,945 --> 01:52:50,805
to make it a permanent opportunity.

2446
01:52:51,385 --> 01:52:54,965
So we recommend that the historic practice

2447
01:52:55,105 --> 01:52:56,965
of not including pre-K

2448
01:52:56,965 --> 01:52:58,805
and A PFO studies be changed

2449
01:52:58,865 --> 01:53:01,365
to include pre-K in all studies moving forward.

2450
01:53:01,945 --> 01:53:03,045
You got here 'cause it's a

2451
01:53:03,585 --> 01:53:04,685
affect schools, that's what happen, right?

2452
01:53:04,715 --> 01:53:07,645
Yeah. Yeah. So that's a change that's we need to make.

2453
01:53:08,265 --> 01:53:10,885
And then we went back

2454
01:53:10,885 --> 01:53:14,565
and looked at high school capacity.

2455
01:53:14,565 --> 01:53:17,565
Currently, if a, if a project comes in

2456
01:53:17,785 --> 01:53:20,805
and they're proposing schools, school age children

2457
01:53:21,705 --> 01:53:24,325
in a school that's at a hundred percent capacity,

2458
01:53:24,745 --> 01:53:27,645
the a hundred percent capacity is the limit for A PFO.

2459
01:53:28,265 --> 01:53:30,445
And that makes sense when you're putting kids in an

2460
01:53:30,445 --> 01:53:32,965
elementary school in a middle school where they show up.

2461
01:53:32,995 --> 01:53:35,165
Yeah, they're there all day and they go home.

2462
01:53:35,425 --> 01:53:37,685
So, so when you look at the number of kids

2463
01:53:38,205 --> 01:53:39,685
registered in an elementary school

2464
01:53:39,705 --> 01:53:42,365
or middle school, that's the number of kids that are there.

2465
01:53:43,115 --> 01:53:44,605
High school's a little bit different.

2466
01:53:45,395 --> 01:53:48,365
High school has a lot more flexibility in their programs.

2467
01:53:48,385 --> 01:53:52,205
And we see things like dual enrollment, like work

2468
01:53:53,155 --> 01:53:56,605
work programs where they leave school finishing

2469
01:53:56,905 --> 01:54:01,085
before four years and then also web-based learning

2470
01:54:01,985 --> 01:54:06,005
and also CTE, there's a number of different programs

2471
01:54:06,005 --> 01:54:07,245
that allow flexibility.

2472
01:54:08,025 --> 01:54:09,725
So you might have kids

2473
01:54:10,365 --> 01:54:13,045
registered at the high school totaling a hundred percent

2474
01:54:13,045 --> 01:54:16,645
of capacity, but only about 90% of that building filled.

2475
01:54:17,145 --> 01:54:20,605
So high school operates a little bit differently

2476
01:54:20,705 --> 01:54:22,365
and we think we ought to recognize that.

2477
01:54:22,905 --> 01:54:26,525
And one way to recognize that is by adjusting the,

2478
01:54:26,665 --> 01:54:30,245
the maximum capacity for high school from a hundred percent

2479
01:54:30,245 --> 01:54:31,445
to 110%.

2480
01:54:31,625 --> 01:54:36,165
And we think that would be a way to recognize how

2481
01:54:36,865 --> 01:54:40,205
the high schools actually work and how kids physically move

2482
01:54:41,145 --> 01:54:42,285
and are when they're in

2483
01:54:42,285 --> 01:54:43,365
the school and when they're not. And there's

2484
01:54:43,365 --> 01:54:45,365
Other jurisdictions that that do the over,

2485
01:54:45,565 --> 01:54:46,685
I mean we've been at a hundred, but a

2486
01:54:46,685 --> 01:54:47,685
Lot of jurisdictions.

2487
01:54:47,985 --> 01:54:52,645
Yes, many, many AFOs go to 110, 120% of

2488
01:54:52,785 --> 01:54:55,045
of state rated capacity for schools.

2489
01:54:55,425 --> 01:54:58,605
And some jurisdictions do have different

2490
01:54:59,665 --> 01:55:01,405
for elementary, middle, and high.

2491
01:55:01,405 --> 01:55:03,445
Different percentages for elementary and middle

2492
01:55:03,465 --> 01:55:06,045
and high school trying to account for how they function.

2493
01:55:06,665 --> 01:55:08,765
So what in the IAC, what's the IAC trigger

2494
01:55:08,825 --> 01:55:11,005
for getting the matching funding and all?

2495
01:55:11,145 --> 01:55:13,725
Is it, what is it? It's like 110, isn't it?

2496
01:55:13,775 --> 01:55:15,005
Right, it's over a hundred.

2497
01:55:15,055 --> 01:55:16,925
Right Before you have to hit that threshold

2498
01:55:16,925 --> 01:55:18,005
before you can get the matching.

2499
01:55:18,285 --> 01:55:21,085
I think it's, there's not a set percent,

2500
01:55:21,185 --> 01:55:23,365
but you have to demonstrate the need for the new school

2501
01:55:23,625 --> 01:55:25,925
or demonstrate that you can fill a new school.

2502
01:55:25,925 --> 01:55:27,725
Right. You gotta be above and

2503
01:55:28,115 --> 01:55:29,965
otherwise they're only gonna fund,

2504
01:55:29,965 --> 01:55:31,685
they're gonna fund a much smaller school.

2505
01:55:31,895 --> 01:55:34,365
Right, right, right. Or expansion. Yeah.

2506
01:55:35,225 --> 01:55:37,965
So you have to demonstrate that you, if you're going

2507
01:55:37,965 --> 01:55:40,845
to build a new school for new capacity, you have

2508
01:55:40,845 --> 01:55:42,925
to demonstrate that you're gonna have enough kids in

2509
01:55:43,005 --> 01:55:44,725
that school to make it worthwhile.

2510
01:55:45,225 --> 01:55:47,685
And the A PFO, there's no real way to, the other thing

2511
01:55:47,685 --> 01:55:49,205
that I think we ran into, not anymore,

2512
01:55:49,345 --> 01:55:50,765
but we ran into the bubbles,

2513
01:55:50,825 --> 01:55:52,845
the bubble years with the classes.

2514
01:55:53,505 --> 01:55:55,285
You know, the the larger class,

2515
01:55:55,345 --> 01:55:57,685
the nine 11 class when everybody was gonna die.

2516
01:55:57,685 --> 01:56:00,405
And of course nine months later we had a ton more kids

2517
01:56:01,755 --> 01:56:05,445
that was a bubble class where we had I think almost 580,

2518
01:56:05,945 --> 01:56:08,085
almost 600 whatever it was between the two high schools,

2519
01:56:08,085 --> 01:56:11,085
which is the most I can ever remember since I've been

2520
01:56:11,085 --> 01:56:12,605
commissioner graduating between the two.

2521
01:56:13,665 --> 01:56:15,445
But there's no way to factor that in, is it?

2522
01:56:15,485 --> 01:56:18,725
I mean, to where, you know, because you know what I mean?

2523
01:56:18,725 --> 01:56:19,845
If you got two back

2524
01:56:19,845 --> 01:56:22,085
to back bubble classes hitting high school in two years

2525
01:56:22,465 --> 01:56:24,645
and now you're gonna bump to, to your point

2526
01:56:24,715 --> 01:56:27,525
that diversity's gonna take you to 120% of capacity,

2527
01:56:27,675 --> 01:56:30,485
when in reality the next year you're gonna be back down

2528
01:56:30,485 --> 01:56:34,165
under a hundred at your 90 that you're so, so A PFO tries

2529
01:56:34,165 --> 01:56:37,645
to take that into account by looking at future projections.

2530
01:56:38,305 --> 01:56:41,725
So if you have a project coming in that's a hundred units

2531
01:56:42,625 --> 01:56:43,685
and they're going

2532
01:56:43,685 --> 01:56:46,245
to be two years in the development review process

2533
01:56:46,825 --> 01:56:49,805
and then they're gonna take seven years to build out,

2534
01:56:50,505 --> 01:56:52,645
you would project those kids coming in,

2535
01:56:52,825 --> 01:56:54,645
in those years of build out.

2536
01:56:55,265 --> 01:56:58,925
So, and you would be projecting that with the board

2537
01:56:58,925 --> 01:57:00,565
of Ed's 10 year projection.

2538
01:57:01,585 --> 01:57:04,565
So if there is a bubble where the Board of Ed projects

2539
01:57:04,565 --> 01:57:07,605
that number going up and coming down that would be,

2540
01:57:07,925 --> 01:57:10,045
should smooth itself out over the, okay.

2541
01:57:10,045 --> 01:57:11,285
Yeah, that makes sense. Okay.

2542
01:57:11,745 --> 01:57:15,085
So they may be held up for a year because of that bubble,

2543
01:57:15,585 --> 01:57:19,165
but if they adjust their plan

2544
01:57:19,265 --> 01:57:22,565
or wait a year, that bubble will go by and go by.

2545
01:57:22,565 --> 01:57:26,115
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha. But with sewer,

2546
01:57:26,115 --> 01:57:27,995
we we're only gonna see a limited number

2547
01:57:27,995 --> 01:57:29,155
of these large projects.

2548
01:57:29,495 --> 01:57:33,835
You know, A PFO applies to for schools, applies

2549
01:57:33,835 --> 01:57:35,515
to projects over seven units

2550
01:57:36,295 --> 01:57:38,635
and we're talking about rationing out sewer

2551
01:57:38,775 --> 01:57:40,395
or you know, limiting it.

2552
01:57:40,535 --> 01:57:42,355
So there's only gonna be a limited number

2553
01:57:42,375 --> 01:57:45,675
of projects dealing with A PFO based on that.

2554
01:57:45,725 --> 01:57:50,275
Right. So till we get into the towns, so,

2555
01:57:50,275 --> 01:57:54,275
so the towns, as you mentioned, the towns do not have AFOs,

2556
01:57:54,275 --> 01:57:56,675
they're not obligated to do the county A PFO,

2557
01:57:57,605 --> 01:57:59,675
which has been an ongoing discussion with the,

2558
01:57:59,945 --> 01:58:03,735
with the county and the towns, which for everybody

2559
01:58:03,735 --> 01:58:06,255
to understand that basically the rest of the county pays

2560
01:58:06,255 --> 01:58:08,015
for the kids that are gonna be born into the town.

2561
01:58:08,475 --> 01:58:11,935
So, so A PFO does not apply to the towns,

2562
01:58:11,935 --> 01:58:13,695
however impact fees do.

2563
01:58:13,985 --> 01:58:15,295
Right. So when,

2564
01:58:15,325 --> 01:58:18,095
when development occurs in the incorporated towns,

2565
01:58:18,095 --> 01:58:21,335
they do have to provide a pay for a school impact fee,

2566
01:58:21,625 --> 01:58:24,695
which would be a capital contribution towards the school.

2567
01:58:24,755 --> 01:58:27,335
But that's a, well we know that's not even close

2568
01:58:27,335 --> 01:58:28,895
to building a school nowadays with the cost

2569
01:58:28,895 --> 01:58:30,775
of doing anything with schools.

2570
01:58:32,515 --> 01:58:34,205
He's gonna do a, a middle school

2571
01:58:34,205 --> 01:58:36,325
that's gonna be the same capacity for $80 million

2572
01:58:36,395 --> 01:58:39,445
that doesn't maybe even 90 by the time it's built.

2573
01:58:40,445 --> 01:58:43,845
So, so those are three policy changes we'd like,

2574
01:58:44,065 --> 01:58:47,045
we believe are would imple would make sense

2575
01:58:47,045 --> 01:58:49,885
to implement adjusting the student generation rates,

2576
01:58:49,885 --> 01:58:51,445
including, including pre-K

2577
01:58:51,445 --> 01:58:56,085
and making some adjustments, maybe going to 110% of

2578
01:58:56,645 --> 01:59:00,565
high school capacity to deal with the flexibility in

2579
01:59:01,025 --> 01:59:02,405
how high schools operate.

2580
01:59:04,455 --> 01:59:08,195
So, and we don't have an automatic period within the A PFO

2581
01:59:08,605 --> 01:59:09,995
ordinances as to when it gets

2582
01:59:10,195 --> 01:59:11,675
reevaluated again the next time. Right.

2583
01:59:12,375 --> 01:59:13,555
The A PFO. Yeah.

2584
01:59:13,555 --> 01:59:17,435
Like so when, when we look at these numbers again to see

2585
01:59:18,855 --> 01:59:20,635
No, no, It's been been quite a bit of time.

2586
01:59:21,265 --> 01:59:24,675
It's been Do we could, we could factor that in.

2587
01:59:24,935 --> 01:59:26,555
I'm wondering if we should, I think we should add

2588
01:59:26,555 --> 01:59:28,075
that in there as part of it too.

2589
01:59:28,935 --> 01:59:30,195
So revisit it.

2590
01:59:30,615 --> 01:59:34,675
We, we can, one of these changes requires an amendment

2591
01:59:34,675 --> 01:59:37,995
to the A PFO, which could also, we could add that

2592
01:59:38,635 --> 01:59:40,995
language in there that a set schedule,

2593
01:59:41,175 --> 01:59:42,555
we would revisit these issues

2594
01:59:42,895 --> 01:59:45,075
No later than every 10 years or something like that.

2595
01:59:45,175 --> 01:59:46,795
So if they wanna do it earlier, you can, but,

2596
01:59:47,055 --> 01:59:48,675
but at least it's sort of triggering that

2597
01:59:49,065 --> 01:59:50,355
that would be that review.

2598
01:59:51,035 --> 01:59:52,035
'cause you also don't know,

2599
01:59:53,495 --> 01:59:55,675
But How much everything's gonna change in the

2600
01:59:55,675 --> 01:59:56,715
next four or five years.

2601
01:59:56,965 --> 01:59:59,155
Right. That a lot of these numbers,

2602
01:59:59,775 --> 02:00:01,075
how schooling is done could change

2603
02:00:01,115 --> 02:00:02,155
a lot in the next five years.

2604
02:00:02,155 --> 02:00:03,595
Yeah. We could Drastically.

2605
02:00:03,815 --> 02:00:04,875
It just depends on how,

2606
02:00:04,875 --> 02:00:07,115
if things evolve over the next several

2607
02:00:07,115 --> 02:00:08,675
years, it's, it's hard to say.

2608
02:00:09,385 --> 02:00:11,475
Yeah. And school numbers, I mean we have,

2609
02:00:11,475 --> 02:00:13,595
we track these numbers every year.

2610
02:00:13,735 --> 02:00:16,235
We get new enrollment numbers from the school. Yeah.

2611
02:00:16,255 --> 02:00:17,555
We plug in developments.

2612
02:00:17,695 --> 02:00:20,595
We, this is a, this changes with every,

2613
02:00:20,725 --> 02:00:23,395
every year when we get new enrollment numbers right.

2614
02:00:23,455 --> 02:00:25,675
Or if the change state changes state rated

2615
02:00:26,075 --> 02:00:27,395
capacity, it's constantly

2616
02:00:27,975 --> 02:00:29,035
And enrollment is currently

2617
02:00:29,035 --> 02:00:30,955
Down and we're trend down right now down

2618
02:00:31,065 --> 02:00:31,515
Flat. Right.

2619
02:00:32,025 --> 02:00:32,315
Yeah.

2620
02:00:39,025 --> 02:00:40,145
I would've thought it wouldn't have been down.

2621
02:00:40,145 --> 02:00:43,145
It's crazy, huh? What's that? The student population? Yeah.

2622
02:00:43,175 --> 02:00:44,175
That it's down.

2623
02:00:45,085 --> 02:00:46,025
That's the way it's going.

2624
02:00:49,855 --> 02:00:52,465
Okay. So is that acceptable that we make those changes

2625
02:00:52,485 --> 02:00:54,985
to the A-P-F-O-I

2626
02:00:55,805 --> 02:00:56,805
On that?

2627
02:00:56,805 --> 02:00:57,745
Okay. Yeah. We'll start the process

2628
02:00:57,885 --> 02:00:59,065
to develop those documents.

2629
02:00:59,065 --> 02:01:00,345
That'll all come back to the commissioners.

2630
02:01:00,345 --> 02:01:02,505
We have to have a hearing for the A PFO ordinance change,

2631
02:01:02,505 --> 02:01:03,665
but that'll all come back around.

2632
02:01:03,805 --> 02:01:05,545
So we will proceed on that basis.

2633
02:01:05,995 --> 02:01:08,465
Sense A PO to your point, Chris too, I would like

2634
02:01:08,465 --> 02:01:10,065
to see mandatory triggers on some of this stuff.

2635
02:01:10,165 --> 02:01:12,585
So yeah, the next set of commissioners, next set

2636
02:01:12,585 --> 02:01:15,065
of commissioners don't have to keep doing

2637
02:01:15,065 --> 02:01:16,625
what we've had to do with a lot of

2638
02:01:16,625 --> 02:01:17,625
This stuff.

2639
02:01:17,625 --> 02:01:18,945
Right. 'cause some people will just kick it down the

2640
02:01:18,945 --> 02:01:20,025
curb when they should look at it.

2641
02:01:20,025 --> 02:01:21,265
That's why we're sitting here today. Yeah.

2642
02:01:21,405 --> 02:01:24,625
So that's how building in safeguards is important. Right.

2643
02:01:25,325 --> 02:01:26,905
So I think we need some guardrails in there

2644
02:01:26,905 --> 02:01:28,785
for making sure that it gets reviewed.

2645
02:01:32,545 --> 02:01:35,745
Whatever makes sense in between comp plans at least once

2646
02:01:36,045 --> 02:01:38,205
or whatever I think makes,

2647
02:01:38,595 --> 02:01:39,595
Okay.

2648
02:01:39,985 --> 02:01:43,045
And the schools, I mean my, I'm hoping the board

2649
02:01:43,045 --> 02:01:44,565
of ed is on top of this a lot more,

2650
02:01:44,785 --> 02:01:45,605
at least from the student

2651
02:01:45,605 --> 02:01:47,005
population side and what they're seeing.

2652
02:01:47,025 --> 02:01:49,125
Oh yeah. What they're Look, because you know,

2653
02:01:49,585 --> 02:01:51,285
the target funding's gonna keep coming back

2654
02:01:51,305 --> 02:01:53,285
and it's based on where Kerwin's gonna settle in.

2655
02:01:53,675 --> 02:01:56,445
Well that doesn't, that Kerwin is looking at nothing in

2656
02:01:56,445 --> 02:01:58,685
terms of county population, how we're growing,

2657
02:01:58,755 --> 02:02:00,285
what we're doing, how much soil we got.

2658
02:02:00,285 --> 02:02:02,885
They don't care. It's, this is what it is per student.

2659
02:02:03,065 --> 02:02:05,525
So gotta be conscious of that to,

2660
02:02:05,705 --> 02:02:07,165
and I think that's where Jim was going with,

2661
02:02:07,165 --> 02:02:09,045
if you're not growing at all, you're not gonna keep up

2662
02:02:09,045 --> 02:02:10,405
with Kerwin, this county.

2663
02:02:10,625 --> 02:02:11,765
No county's gonna keep up with Kerwin

2664
02:02:11,765 --> 02:02:12,805
if you're not growing in some pace.

2665
02:02:12,945 --> 02:02:17,265
So yeah, we work with a board of on coming up with this.

2666
02:02:17,375 --> 02:02:18,385
Yeah, I know. They were on the task force.

2667
02:02:18,385 --> 02:02:20,945
We're, we're using their state projections. Good. Yes. Good.

2668
02:02:24,685 --> 02:02:26,585
Thanks for all that work. I appreciate it.

2669
02:02:26,725 --> 02:02:27,825
So back on the sewer side.

2670
02:02:27,825 --> 02:02:32,425
So we're gonna keep the allocation request commensurate with

2671
02:02:32,425 --> 02:02:34,825
what we're doing now after concept plan commissioners can

2672
02:02:34,825 --> 02:02:36,265
review those requests as they come in.

2673
02:02:36,635 --> 02:02:37,985
Where, where in the, in the

2674
02:02:38,145 --> 02:02:39,145
It's at concept.

2675
02:02:39,145 --> 02:02:40,145
They got a concept plan review

2676
02:02:40,485 --> 02:02:41,945
and they can then, they can make a request

2677
02:02:41,965 --> 02:02:43,185
for allocation in front

2678
02:02:43,185 --> 02:02:44,585
of the sanitary commission commissioners.

2679
02:02:45,005 --> 02:02:46,265
So as far as the metering,

2680
02:02:46,265 --> 02:02:47,625
it sounds like we do wanna have some type

2681
02:02:47,625 --> 02:02:49,185
of metering component

2682
02:02:49,245 --> 02:02:51,425
or rationing of this,

2683
02:02:51,605 --> 02:02:53,385
the residential component of the sewer.

2684
02:02:53,485 --> 02:02:55,905
So if we're not sure where that number is yet,

2685
02:02:55,905 --> 02:02:58,505
we can still proceed on getting those documents ready

2686
02:02:58,505 --> 02:03:00,705
and come back, discuss that some more

2687
02:03:00,845 --> 02:03:02,145
before we finalize everything.

2688
02:03:02,165 --> 02:03:04,225
But that's, that's part of the sewer allocation policy,

2689
02:03:04,275 --> 02:03:06,545
which important company. No,

2690
02:03:06,545 --> 02:03:08,185
But again, again, you know that sewer allocation,

2691
02:03:08,835 --> 02:03:11,385
we're not saying one development's gonna be 40 houses.

2692
02:03:12,035 --> 02:03:12,825
We're not saying one

2693
02:03:12,825 --> 02:03:14,065
development's gonna be a hundred houses.

2694
02:03:14,075 --> 02:03:15,505
Right. Right. You're, you're, you're saying

2695
02:03:16,045 --> 02:03:17,385
you don't want more than 40,

2696
02:03:17,545 --> 02:03:18,825
a hundred, whatever the number is.

2697
02:03:19,365 --> 02:03:21,545
And if it's five different developers in

2698
02:03:21,545 --> 02:03:22,745
five different locations.

2699
02:03:22,875 --> 02:03:25,545
Right. You know, I mean I think that, I think,

2700
02:03:25,745 --> 02:03:28,585
I think everyone sometimes gets hung up on a number thinking

2701
02:03:28,585 --> 02:03:29,745
they're gonna be a hundred homes there.

2702
02:03:30,685 --> 02:03:33,065
Oh yeah. No, I don't think the 50 homes there, it's,

2703
02:03:33,495 --> 02:03:35,105
that doesn't, I mean there could be,

2704
02:03:35,125 --> 02:03:37,185
but that's not what we're, we're not,

2705
02:03:37,185 --> 02:03:38,265
not what we're implying

2706
02:03:38,445 --> 02:03:39,825
Or just how do you assimilate it.

2707
02:03:39,825 --> 02:03:41,265
Right. On a yearly basis. Right.

2708
02:03:41,575 --> 02:03:43,105
Yeah. Yeah.

2709
02:03:43,105 --> 02:03:45,385
You're just saying that when you hit this cap, right.

2710
02:03:45,385 --> 02:03:49,145
That's you gotta wait a year and then to, we discuss that.

2711
02:03:49,305 --> 02:03:51,985
You're saying that they, they can come in any time for it.

2712
02:03:52,065 --> 02:03:55,745
I know the last time we said once a year you can like a text

2713
02:03:55,745 --> 02:03:56,985
amendment, you could come in once a year

2714
02:03:56,985 --> 02:03:57,985
and apply for the allocation.

2715
02:03:58,125 --> 02:03:59,505
But you said quarterly.

2716
02:03:59,505 --> 02:04:02,145
But no, it's any sanitary commission meeting they could ask

2717
02:04:02,215 --> 02:04:03,585
once they get concept plan approval.

2718
02:04:03,935 --> 02:04:04,935
Okay.

2719
02:04:06,515 --> 02:04:08,755
I think that makes, I mean, yeah, there,

2720
02:04:08,755 --> 02:04:10,115
because you don't know when they're

2721
02:04:10,115 --> 02:04:11,155
gonna be doing their concept plan.

2722
02:04:11,155 --> 02:04:12,395
They should have a concept plan

2723
02:04:12,395 --> 02:04:13,915
and say, now I gotta sit on this for,

2724
02:04:14,265 --> 02:04:15,555
Well, plus I was thinking about planning

2725
02:04:15,555 --> 02:04:16,875
and zoning, having to go through

2726
02:04:17,935 --> 02:04:19,955
35 concept plans all at one time.

2727
02:04:20,065 --> 02:04:22,955
Like they do text amendments. Yeah. All at one time. Yep.

2728
02:04:23,095 --> 02:04:24,095
Stress.

2729
02:04:24,925 --> 02:04:28,855
They like it. Stephanie's smiling.

2730
02:04:29,025 --> 02:04:30,815
Maybe she, maybe they do like it. He does.

2731
02:04:34,595 --> 02:04:36,175
All right. Alright. Alright. Yep.

2732
02:04:37,875 --> 02:04:39,685
Well I got one answer so I'm gonna keep it up.

2733
02:04:40,795 --> 02:04:42,685
It's not bad. 2%. It's not bad.

2734
02:04:42,835 --> 02:04:43,925
Alright, thanks gentlemen.

2735
02:04:43,925 --> 02:04:44,965
Thanks for the other members of the

2736
02:04:44,965 --> 02:04:46,085
task force that are here tonight.

2737
02:04:46,205 --> 02:04:48,565
I appreciate everyone being here tonight. So Alan,

2738
02:04:48,565 --> 02:04:49,565
Great.

2739
02:04:49,565 --> 02:04:51,005
We'll get all the commissioners out in the heat tomorrow

2740
02:04:51,705 --> 02:04:53,605
and we'll let 'em leave the sunlight till

2741
02:04:53,605 --> 02:04:54,645
they come up with a number for you.

2742
02:04:54,675 --> 02:04:57,525
Alright. Alright.

2743
02:04:57,525 --> 02:05:00,405
He gonna be out there, so, so now Alex smiling.

2744
02:05:04,505 --> 02:05:06,805
All right, well commissioners, that is all

2745
02:05:06,825 --> 02:05:09,485
of the items on the agenda for tonight

2746
02:05:11,015 --> 02:05:12,885
other than round table and any closing

2747
02:05:13,525 --> 02:05:13,805
Question? Public,

2748
02:05:14,725 --> 02:05:15,725
I'm sorry.

2749
02:05:15,725 --> 02:05:16,165
Press Public Health. Yep, that too.

2750
02:05:18,385 --> 02:05:19,685
Do we have anybody signed up? Yep.

2751
02:05:19,865 --> 02:05:22,405
Oh good. Okay. This young lady here wanted to go with.

2752
02:05:22,875 --> 02:05:27,085
Alright, Thank you

2753
02:05:27,655 --> 02:05:28,655
Again.

2754
02:05:28,655 --> 02:05:30,525
My name is Marty McKenzie, I'm from Centerville.

2755
02:05:31,065 --> 02:05:34,125
And I tell you tonight's been a real wake up call for me

2756
02:05:34,145 --> 02:05:35,725
for a reason I didn't expect.

2757
02:05:36,805 --> 02:05:38,845
I can't understand what you're saying

2758
02:05:39,185 --> 02:05:42,125
and I'm so glad that the agency on aging,

2759
02:05:42,485 --> 02:05:45,765
aging people are here because you hope the longevity study

2760
02:05:46,285 --> 02:05:47,965
includes something to help us.

2761
02:05:48,965 --> 02:05:50,725
I got spoiled, I watched CSPAN

2762
02:05:50,725 --> 02:05:52,765
with the closed captions all the time.

2763
02:05:52,855 --> 02:05:54,525
Right. But I think

2764
02:05:54,525 --> 02:05:57,365
what I heard you say is there was a chance

2765
02:05:57,425 --> 02:06:00,845
for public input on this moratorium report.

2766
02:06:00,865 --> 02:06:01,865
Am I correct there?

2767
02:06:02,915 --> 02:06:04,965
Yeah, Absolutely. Yeah. I saw the A PFO the part there

2768
02:06:04,965 --> 02:06:06,805
still is Chance for public input.

2769
02:06:07,285 --> 02:06:08,445
Absolutely. And, and it has been made

2770
02:06:08,445 --> 02:06:10,845
that the findings had been made public.

2771
02:06:11,905 --> 02:06:13,605
That's what this presentation is for.

2772
02:06:13,705 --> 02:06:16,245
And there was another presentation two months ago,

2773
02:06:16,305 --> 02:06:19,045
Two months ago now With the initial findings of it.

2774
02:06:19,065 --> 02:06:20,925
And this was just a, a follow up on it,

2775
02:06:20,925 --> 02:06:22,245
but no action being taken.

2776
02:06:22,245 --> 02:06:23,325
We're not voting on it yet.

2777
02:06:23,985 --> 02:06:26,925
So there is time for people to get more of the information

2778
02:06:26,925 --> 02:06:29,085
and our meeting materials are also available.

2779
02:06:29,545 --> 02:06:32,245
So the report tonight though is available to the public.

2780
02:06:33,195 --> 02:06:35,765
Yeah, I think the Slides, it's in the

2781
02:06:35,765 --> 02:06:36,765
Book, but it's in the book.

2782
02:06:36,765 --> 02:06:38,605
Yeah, yeah. There was no slides but it's in the book. Yeah.

2783
02:06:38,715 --> 02:06:42,565
Okay. So on our website we have an agenda

2784
02:06:42,565 --> 02:06:43,565
with all the meeting materials

2785
02:06:43,585 --> 02:06:45,845
for each meeting you can click on, you can also go back

2786
02:06:45,845 --> 02:06:48,245
and watch the meetings. They'll be there also

2787
02:06:48,245 --> 02:06:49,245
On video.

2788
02:06:49,245 --> 02:06:52,325
Hear better. Yep. So can I assume the moratorium

2789
02:06:52,385 --> 02:06:53,445
is still in effect?

2790
02:06:54,035 --> 02:06:56,485
Yeah. Yeah. It, it is still in effect. Okay.

2791
02:06:56,745 --> 02:06:58,885
It doesn't expire until August, August, August,

2792
02:06:58,885 --> 02:07:00,005
August 2nd meeting in August,

2793
02:07:00,005 --> 02:07:01,325
Second meeting August is when it expires.

2794
02:07:01,985 --> 02:07:03,845
And I wanted to also give a big thank you

2795
02:07:04,105 --> 02:07:07,085
to your county commissioner and your Board of Public Works.

2796
02:07:07,685 --> 02:07:10,365
I was one of the organizers for the no Kings rallies

2797
02:07:10,365 --> 02:07:11,725
that we've had in the past year.

2798
02:07:12,105 --> 02:07:13,965
And you all have been wonderful to work with

2799
02:07:14,035 --> 02:07:16,525
because I am so technically challenged

2800
02:07:16,905 --> 02:07:19,485
and they help me so much get

2801
02:07:19,485 --> 02:07:20,605
through all the permitting process.

2802
02:07:20,865 --> 02:07:22,125
So thank you so much.

2803
02:07:22,415 --> 02:07:25,365
Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else like to speak?

2804
02:07:27,575 --> 02:07:30,325
There you go. You got any emails? Nothing, nothing to read.

2805
02:07:31,255 --> 02:07:34,045
Round table Patrick, we'll let you go to first.

2806
02:07:38,655 --> 02:07:39,655
Oh, you're muted. Mute.

2807
02:07:41,375 --> 02:07:45,275
Any update on the big beautiful flagpole that's going up

2808
02:07:45,295 --> 02:07:49,195
by, by the bridge tonight? Have we heard anything

2809
02:07:49,425 --> 02:07:50,425
Tonight?

2810
02:07:50,425 --> 02:07:51,235
Oh, we, we've been in here.

2811
02:07:51,365 --> 02:07:53,355
Rumor, rumor mill says it's supposed

2812
02:07:53,355 --> 02:07:54,635
to go up this evening sometime.

2813
02:07:54,705 --> 02:07:55,915
Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah.

2814
02:07:57,105 --> 02:07:59,315
It's a great on Unfurled tomorrow though.

2815
02:07:59,555 --> 02:08:00,555
I think it's, oh, is that what it is?

2816
02:08:00,715 --> 02:08:02,555
I think it go tell the people what's going on.

2817
02:08:02,555 --> 02:08:03,635
They don't know. They're all excited.

2818
02:08:03,665 --> 02:08:04,555
Well let 'em be excited

2819
02:08:04,555 --> 02:08:05,755
when they come across the bridge tomorrow.

2820
02:08:05,755 --> 02:08:07,755
Right? Or next time they're at the bridge. Yeah.

2821
02:08:07,925 --> 02:08:09,075
We're worried about Well, I

2822
02:08:09,075 --> 02:08:11,075
Just, I'll give a shout out to the commissioners

2823
02:08:11,415 --> 02:08:14,155
and to the American Legion

2824
02:08:14,215 --> 02:08:18,435
and to Mdot for putting this together our, our

2825
02:08:19,375 --> 02:08:20,515
county administrator.

2826
02:08:21,535 --> 02:08:25,395
And it's just gonna be a, a welcoming,

2827
02:08:27,225 --> 02:08:29,355
Welcoming people to the eastern shore.

2828
02:08:29,655 --> 02:08:33,035
The O Queen Annes County is the gateway to the,

2829
02:08:33,575 --> 02:08:35,475
to Del Marva on the Eastern shore.

2830
02:08:35,495 --> 02:08:37,955
And this is gonna be a big, huge, beautiful

2831
02:08:39,155 --> 02:08:41,475
American flag, patriotic.

2832
02:08:41,975 --> 02:08:45,435
And it's going up for the 250th anniversary.

2833
02:08:46,175 --> 02:08:49,315
And I just want to thank my colleagues for getting it done.

2834
02:08:50,775 --> 02:08:55,515
Second thing is a little bit of

2835
02:08:56,035 --> 02:08:59,995
a challenge I had,

2836
02:09:01,235 --> 02:09:05,675
I I, I went to Tyler Hendricks down down

2837
02:09:05,675 --> 02:09:07,115
to the Rooke Fire Department

2838
02:09:07,335 --> 02:09:11,755
and spent a lot of time our young kids

2839
02:09:12,135 --> 02:09:14,875
and our first responders.

2840
02:09:14,885 --> 02:09:17,155
These are 16, 17,

2841
02:09:17,155 --> 02:09:21,075
and 18, 19, 20-year-old kids that are our

2842
02:09:22,015 --> 02:09:26,755
up and coming first responders that are going to take care

2843
02:09:26,755 --> 02:09:29,675
of, take care of us as we get older.

2844
02:09:30,345 --> 02:09:33,355
Spot fires and car accidents and EMS.

2845
02:09:34,175 --> 02:09:37,635
And it was just a tragic loss that we,

2846
02:09:37,745 --> 02:09:39,275
that we had on Father's Day.

2847
02:09:40,135 --> 02:09:43,675
And then I went to the, the candlelight service

2848
02:09:45,335 --> 02:09:50,115
at the high school base football stadium.

2849
02:09:50,575 --> 02:09:51,795
And it was packed.

2850
02:09:52,845 --> 02:09:54,795
There were, there were so many people

2851
02:09:55,055 --> 02:09:59,715
and so many young kids just asking questions and,

2852
02:10:01,455 --> 02:10:05,555
and then on, on Thursday

2853
02:10:07,105 --> 02:10:11,755
when they, they had a procession from Baltimore

2854
02:10:11,945 --> 02:10:13,155
from the coroner's office

2855
02:10:14,295 --> 02:10:18,395
and every bridge between Baltimore

2856
02:10:19,255 --> 02:10:22,355
and Kent Island had firetrucks on it

2857
02:10:23,295 --> 02:10:27,995
and just hundreds if not thousands of people on,

2858
02:10:28,215 --> 02:10:30,875
on, on all the bridges saluting

2859
02:10:32,775 --> 02:10:33,925
our first responder.

2860
02:10:34,545 --> 02:10:38,765
So I just want to thank all

2861
02:10:38,765 --> 02:10:41,845
of our volunteers and all of our paid EMS staff and,

2862
02:10:42,425 --> 02:10:45,765
and our fire firefighters who just

2863
02:10:46,305 --> 02:10:47,725
put everything on the line for us.

2864
02:10:48,265 --> 02:10:50,045
And we're just a grateful county

2865
02:10:51,185 --> 02:10:54,165
and we're just very thankful for them.

2866
02:10:56,965 --> 02:11:00,185
And lastly, our very own William Pack

2867
02:11:01,765 --> 02:11:04,225
who had a summer home here signed the Declaration

2868
02:11:04,225 --> 02:11:07,615
of Independence 250 years ago.

2869
02:11:10,145 --> 02:11:14,005
And we should celebrate that, that Queen Annes County

2870
02:11:14,865 --> 02:11:19,805
had a, had one of one of our, one of our own on the

2871
02:11:21,125 --> 02:11:23,245
D Parchment from July.

2872
02:11:23,835 --> 02:11:28,765
It's actually July 2nd, 1776, put out July 4th

2873
02:11:30,375 --> 02:11:34,315
and Marilyn signed actually on, I believe it was August 2nd.

2874
02:11:35,415 --> 02:11:38,155
So just a little bit of history there. That's it.

2875
02:11:38,805 --> 02:11:40,835
Thank you. Okay. Yeah.

2876
02:11:41,215 --> 02:11:43,675
So first off, I wanna set the record straight price had a

2877
02:11:43,675 --> 02:11:45,835
post office when we were talking about Verna's

2878
02:11:45,835 --> 02:11:46,955
and where they wanna put the gas station.

2879
02:11:47,015 --> 02:11:48,715
So it was a big city when I moved here

2880
02:11:49,075 --> 02:11:50,115
'cause it did have a post office.

2881
02:11:50,475 --> 02:11:52,435
Matter of fact, my address when I moved here was price

2882
02:11:52,435 --> 02:11:54,555
and is now Centerville 'cause it no longer exists.

2883
02:11:55,825 --> 02:11:57,475
Real quick, I just wanted to talk about that

2884
02:11:57,505 --> 02:11:58,715
with that gas station there.

2885
02:11:58,715 --> 02:12:01,555
As somebody who crosses that intersection for the reasons

2886
02:12:01,555 --> 02:12:04,755
that were brought up about going to get anything, literally,

2887
02:12:04,755 --> 02:12:09,075
whether it's gas, snack, whatever we, we know

2888
02:12:09,135 --> 02:12:11,355
how dangerous 4 0 5 is crossing there.

2889
02:12:11,975 --> 02:12:13,275
In my mind, I think having

2890
02:12:13,275 --> 02:12:14,875
that convenience store on the other side

2891
02:12:15,485 --> 02:12:18,475
would eliminate a lot of crossovers of locals.

2892
02:12:18,775 --> 02:12:21,795
And I think we're seeing more locals have been injured at

2893
02:12:21,795 --> 02:12:24,035
that intersection than out of towners

2894
02:12:24,695 --> 02:12:26,235
and have been critically injured.

2895
02:12:27,425 --> 02:12:29,555
Dead in unfortunately in quite a few instances

2896
02:12:29,625 --> 02:12:30,795
here in the last year.

2897
02:12:31,855 --> 02:12:33,435
So, you know, this is one

2898
02:12:33,435 --> 02:12:34,835
of them ones that I'm looking at hard.

2899
02:12:35,115 --> 02:12:36,675
I I, I gotta look deeper into

2900
02:12:36,675 --> 02:12:37,875
how it's gonna affect other parts

2901
02:12:37,875 --> 02:12:39,155
of the county if we do this.

2902
02:12:39,775 --> 02:12:40,995
But honestly right now,

2903
02:12:40,995 --> 02:12:43,435
the way I'm leaning is I think it makes sense to be able to

2904
02:12:44,385 --> 02:12:45,955
have that on that side of the road

2905
02:12:45,955 --> 02:12:48,635
because points were made tonight that were very good.

2906
02:12:48,635 --> 02:12:51,595
There's no gas between the split and Delaware

2907
02:12:52,175 --> 02:12:53,675
unless you get off and go into town

2908
02:12:54,175 --> 02:12:55,515
and there's no place to get a drink.

2909
02:12:55,515 --> 02:12:56,675
There's really no place to do

2910
02:12:56,995 --> 02:12:58,075
anything until you get to Delaware.

2911
02:12:59,175 --> 02:13:02,395
So that's my opinion on that one.

2912
02:13:03,415 --> 02:13:05,715
And like I said, it, I think it will eliminate a lot of

2913
02:13:05,715 --> 02:13:07,235
that cross traffic with our local people

2914
02:13:08,575 --> 02:13:09,715
and hopefully save some lives.

2915
02:13:10,055 --> 02:13:14,515
Second thing, the, the river keeper she took, she,

2916
02:13:14,535 --> 02:13:17,115
she took the ask for money, but I'm gonna ask anyway.

2917
02:13:17,135 --> 02:13:18,555
So as you know,

2918
02:13:18,735 --> 02:13:21,515
our clay target team is one of the best in the states.

2919
02:13:22,735 --> 02:13:26,075
We went out and swept the Maryland State Finals

2920
02:13:26,075 --> 02:13:30,675
and now we have the reigning national singles champion in

2921
02:13:30,675 --> 02:13:34,885
Clay Coppi, who is going back to defend his title July 8th.

2922
02:13:34,915 --> 02:13:36,325
They're heading out to Michigan.

2923
02:13:37,745 --> 02:13:41,485
And we have a full team of five.

2924
02:13:41,625 --> 02:13:44,045
We have 10 people that are going out to compete individually

2925
02:13:44,065 --> 02:13:46,765
for the national title Clay Cole, I'm sorry,

2926
02:13:46,965 --> 02:13:49,965
I say Clay Cole Coppi to compete.

2927
02:13:50,705 --> 02:13:53,205
And then we have five individuals who are gonna compete

2928
02:13:53,205 --> 02:13:55,205
who were the, the basically the creme de la creme

2929
02:13:55,205 --> 02:13:56,685
of our Queen Annes County high school team

2930
02:13:56,685 --> 02:13:58,885
that are gonna compete for the team title nationally.

2931
02:13:59,265 --> 02:14:02,045
We also have one Kent Island student who was going out

2932
02:14:02,505 --> 02:14:03,525
to compete from Kent Island.

2933
02:14:03,525 --> 02:14:05,405
They didn't have enough to get a team together this year.

2934
02:14:05,465 --> 02:14:08,205
But my ask is, so roughly with the,

2935
02:14:08,405 --> 02:14:10,845
with the registration fees, ammo

2936
02:14:10,845 --> 02:14:12,245
and everything else, basically put on there,

2937
02:14:12,245 --> 02:14:13,845
this is no travel expenses for 'em.

2938
02:14:13,845 --> 02:14:15,045
It's about $500 a kid.

2939
02:14:15,065 --> 02:14:18,485
So I'd like to cover our team, which would be roughly $5,500

2940
02:14:18,505 --> 02:14:19,965
to cover the kids and take

2941
02:14:19,965 --> 02:14:21,885
that expense away from the money they've raised this year

2942
02:14:21,885 --> 02:14:22,885
and let them enjoy themselves.

2943
02:14:23,275 --> 02:14:24,445
It's fantastic Clean.

2944
02:14:24,565 --> 02:14:25,765
Ance County has a national champion

2945
02:14:26,025 --> 02:14:28,405
and really by all accounts,

2946
02:14:28,785 --> 02:14:31,285
we have a good shot at winning 240 teams.

2947
02:14:31,285 --> 02:14:33,525
We have a good shot at winning the, the team title this year

2948
02:14:33,585 --> 02:14:35,805
and that would be awesome to have a

2949
02:14:36,125 --> 02:14:37,365
national champion in our third year.

2950
02:14:37,545 --> 02:14:38,725
How, how cool is that? Right.

2951
02:14:38,825 --> 02:14:41,205
So I will make a motion to put

2952
02:14:41,875 --> 02:14:44,805
$5,000 towards Queen Anne County high school team kids

2953
02:14:44,805 --> 02:14:46,885
and 500 towards our one Kent Island High School

2954
02:14:47,025 --> 02:14:51,045
for their registration, ammo and other expenses.

2955
02:14:51,425 --> 02:14:54,285
And just with second. Okay, there you go.

2956
02:14:54,625 --> 02:14:58,245
Got a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.

2957
02:14:59,015 --> 02:15:02,725
There we go. Well that's all I got. That's all. Awesome man.

2958
02:15:02,955 --> 02:15:07,765
Alright. Fireworks are tomorrow at the narrows.

2959
02:15:08,225 --> 02:15:11,725
And some people have asked about why are the fireworks

2960
02:15:11,725 --> 02:15:12,845
not on the 4th of July?

2961
02:15:13,305 --> 02:15:15,005
And we do have fireworks on the 4th of July

2962
02:15:16,635 --> 02:15:18,765
when the 4th of July is not on a weekend.

2963
02:15:19,105 --> 02:15:20,605
And there's a lot of reasons for that.

2964
02:15:21,305 --> 02:15:23,005
And I know it's preferable

2965
02:15:23,145 --> 02:15:24,845
to see fireworks on the 4th of July,

2966
02:15:25,465 --> 02:15:27,925
but there is a lot of logistics that goes into this.

2967
02:15:28,945 --> 02:15:32,725
And as people may not know, there's beach traffic that comes

2968
02:15:32,725 --> 02:15:35,485
through in the summertime on the weekends

2969
02:15:35,625 --> 02:15:36,885
and that impacts a lot of things.

2970
02:15:37,185 --> 02:15:39,245
And so it's not so much that you are going to have

2971
02:15:40,535 --> 02:15:43,485
beach traffic when people are arriving for the fireworks

2972
02:15:43,485 --> 02:15:44,645
or leaving for the fireworks,

2973
02:15:44,845 --> 02:15:46,845
although quite possible when they're arriving on a Saturday,

2974
02:15:46,905 --> 02:15:48,245
you, you could have those backups,

2975
02:15:48,465 --> 02:15:50,645
but there's a lot of logistics that goes in beforehand.

2976
02:15:51,655 --> 02:15:52,845
Parks and recs getting there

2977
02:15:52,865 --> 02:15:54,565
and setting up law enforcement,

2978
02:15:54,565 --> 02:15:56,005
getting there, the first responders.

2979
02:15:56,385 --> 02:15:57,885
And we wanna make sure that we also have

2980
02:15:58,545 --> 02:16:00,125
the first responders in place

2981
02:16:00,585 --> 02:16:04,085
and on the weekends, a lot of times they're responding

2982
02:16:04,085 --> 02:16:06,245
to calls and they're going to hospitals across the bridge

2983
02:16:06,245 --> 02:16:08,725
and they gotta wait because the ERs are full.

2984
02:16:08,865 --> 02:16:10,405
And so they have to stand there with the beds

2985
02:16:10,855 --> 02:16:13,085
until the patient is accepted into the hospital

2986
02:16:13,385 --> 02:16:15,085
and then they gotta battle traffic to get back.

2987
02:16:15,785 --> 02:16:17,525
And that drastically also impacts their

2988
02:16:17,525 --> 02:16:18,645
ability to be available.

2989
02:16:19,065 --> 02:16:20,605
And for us to not only make sure

2990
02:16:20,605 --> 02:16:22,085
that the 4th of July event is safe,

2991
02:16:22,345 --> 02:16:24,045
but that we have personnel

2992
02:16:24,045 --> 02:16:25,925
who can respond throughout the county as well.

2993
02:16:26,505 --> 02:16:28,445
So all of those factors go into it.

2994
02:16:28,475 --> 02:16:30,005
It's not a decision that we take lightly,

2995
02:16:30,025 --> 02:16:33,165
but for the sake of the planning, logistics

2996
02:16:33,165 --> 02:16:34,845
and the safety, including also

2997
02:16:34,865 --> 02:16:36,485
for the county staff, that works really hard.

2998
02:16:37,065 --> 02:16:39,165
We do it during the week

2999
02:16:39,985 --> 02:16:42,165
and by doing it on the first, if there's rain,

3000
02:16:42,165 --> 02:16:45,005
it gives us the opportunity to just roll it into July 2nd.

3001
02:16:45,785 --> 02:16:50,255
So decreasing the chance that we're gonna have an issue

3002
02:16:50,255 --> 02:16:51,535
with it being, being canceled.

3003
02:16:51,595 --> 02:16:53,095
So that, that's why it happens that way.

3004
02:16:53,755 --> 02:16:56,895
But for those of you who are really excited

3005
02:16:56,895 --> 02:16:58,855
to celebrate America on July 4th as well,

3006
02:16:59,325 --> 02:17:00,495
I've got great news for you.

3007
02:17:01,705 --> 02:17:04,175
Every July 4th we get in front of the old courthouse

3008
02:17:04,315 --> 02:17:07,095
and there is a reading of the Declaration of Independence.

3009
02:17:07,615 --> 02:17:09,735
It's a whole bunch of people. Mary Margaret puts it together

3010
02:17:09,955 --> 02:17:11,215
and everybody reads a portions

3011
02:17:11,215 --> 02:17:12,615
of the Declaration of Independence.

3012
02:17:12,835 --> 02:17:15,815
And I bet most people have never read the Declaration

3013
02:17:15,815 --> 02:17:17,375
of Independence or haven't since high school.

3014
02:17:17,725 --> 02:17:19,135
It's really cool to listen to it

3015
02:17:19,695 --> 02:17:21,575
and it's really cool event to go there.

3016
02:17:21,995 --> 02:17:25,655
And this is two 50. So I would like to see as many people

3017
02:17:25,715 --> 02:17:28,255
as we can get possible to the old courthouse,

3018
02:17:28,265 --> 02:17:31,055
eight o'clock in the morning on July 4th.

3019
02:17:32,285 --> 02:17:35,895
Mary Margaret would be ecstatic if we just packed

3020
02:17:36,575 --> 02:17:38,215
downtown Centerville with people to hear that.

3021
02:17:38,315 --> 02:17:39,535
So please tell a friend

3022
02:17:39,875 --> 02:17:41,935
and tell a friend to tell a friend and show up.

3023
02:17:41,965 --> 02:17:42,975
It's a really cool thing.

3024
02:17:43,395 --> 02:17:45,775
And fireworks are cool,

3025
02:17:45,795 --> 02:17:46,935
but the Declaration of

3026
02:17:46,935 --> 02:17:48,575
Independence is really what it's all about.

3027
02:17:48,795 --> 02:17:49,815
Not, not the fireworks.

3028
02:17:49,835 --> 02:17:52,055
So that's the more important thing to be there for.

3029
02:17:52,075 --> 02:17:54,215
So I encourage everybody to come to that.

3030
02:17:54,615 --> 02:17:57,255
I have enjoyed participating in that for eight years now.

3031
02:17:57,275 --> 02:17:58,455
So that's my plug.

3032
02:18:00,475 --> 02:18:03,055
You'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there. Yep.

3033
02:18:03,355 --> 02:18:04,695
You know, so yeah, I'll be there.

3034
02:18:05,435 --> 02:18:07,095
And it's nice 'cause when you screw up them

3035
02:18:07,095 --> 02:18:08,295
real big words, nobody knows.

3036
02:18:08,295 --> 02:18:10,695
Nobody knows. So it's nice.

3037
02:18:11,755 --> 02:18:15,335
You know, I guess I wanna talk a little bit about the bridge

3038
02:18:15,715 --> 02:18:17,855
and, and a little bit about traffic and,

3039
02:18:17,915 --> 02:18:19,735
and a whole lot about accidents.

3040
02:18:21,475 --> 02:18:22,735
We need to slow down out there.

3041
02:18:23,735 --> 02:18:26,375
I mean, I think that the traffic right now and,

3042
02:18:26,435 --> 02:18:30,535
and the speed that residents people just traversing

3043
02:18:30,535 --> 02:18:32,695
through the county, it's like NASCAR

3044
02:18:32,955 --> 02:18:36,135
and it, it, two weekends ago

3045
02:18:37,115 --> 02:18:39,735
we had five accidents on the Bay Bridges in one day.

3046
02:18:40,485 --> 02:18:43,615
It's just crazy. And, and it is just

3047
02:18:43,615 --> 02:18:47,175
because honestly, we're, we're, we're not doing enough

3048
02:18:47,355 --> 02:18:49,535
to enforce some of the laws that we have on the books.

3049
02:18:51,535 --> 02:18:53,655
Tomorrow night is the Bay Bridge Reconstruction Advisory

3050
02:18:53,655 --> 02:18:57,375
Group meeting where I will be there to discuss that.

3051
02:18:58,025 --> 02:19:01,415
We're, again, we're in the process of the,

3052
02:19:01,555 --> 02:19:04,575
the red X cameras, hopefully it won't be this year,

3053
02:19:04,595 --> 02:19:06,775
but next year, having that in place

3054
02:19:07,075 --> 02:19:08,895
and possibly doing something with speed cameras

3055
02:19:09,035 --> 02:19:11,775
to slow people down, if not hurt their wallets.

3056
02:19:13,155 --> 02:19:14,215
But I just, and

3057
02:19:14,215 --> 02:19:16,495
and that's one of the main concerns I have about the flag.

3058
02:19:17,315 --> 02:19:19,695
We, we were talking about this brand new flag, 50

3059
02:19:19,795 --> 02:19:21,215
by 30 to cover this room.

3060
02:19:22,035 --> 02:19:24,335
And I'm more concerned about people coming on down the

3061
02:19:24,535 --> 02:19:25,935
downhill slope, looking at that giant

3062
02:19:26,165 --> 02:19:27,885
flag and not paying attention.

3063
02:19:28,085 --> 02:19:30,045
I hope to God that doesn't happen tomorrow,

3064
02:19:30,305 --> 02:19:32,085
but it'll slow down down.

3065
02:19:32,395 --> 02:19:36,445
Yeah. I mean, so just, you know, I I I just want people

3066
02:19:36,445 --> 02:19:39,605
to slow down en enjoy what you're doing

3067
02:19:39,605 --> 02:19:41,285
and where you're going and you'll get there.

3068
02:19:41,585 --> 02:19:42,565
You know, it might take a

3069
02:19:42,565 --> 02:19:43,645
little longer, but you're gonna get there.

3070
02:19:44,385 --> 02:19:47,445
And, and also, you know, the, the one thing with the,

3071
02:19:47,635 --> 02:19:49,685
when I was on the Economic Development Commission,

3072
02:19:50,705 --> 02:19:53,325
the reason the fireworks also aren't on the weekends is

3073
02:19:53,325 --> 02:19:55,165
because the restaurants are full on the weekends.

3074
02:19:56,065 --> 02:19:58,525
So during the week, they're not full. This fills 'em up.

3075
02:19:58,725 --> 02:19:59,645
'cause most people will sit there,

3076
02:19:59,645 --> 02:20:01,125
especially as hot as it's gonna be.

3077
02:20:01,715 --> 02:20:03,205
Yeah. I don't think the restaurants

3078
02:20:03,205 --> 02:20:04,565
gonna, you know, be loving it.

3079
02:20:04,565 --> 02:20:06,805
But that's just, you know, it happens.

3080
02:20:07,025 --> 02:20:09,965
So, you know, stay hydrated, enjoy the show.

3081
02:20:10,625 --> 02:20:11,925
I'm gonna try and see three of 'em.

3082
02:20:11,925 --> 02:20:13,685
So, you know, and that's the way to go.

3083
02:20:13,985 --> 02:20:17,325
So looking forward to it. I'll take a motion.

3084
02:20:17,545 --> 02:20:20,405
Motion to adjourn. Second it. All in favor? Aye. Aye.

3085
02:20:20,405 --> 02:20:22,685
Thank you. Thank you everybody. See you Patrick.