[0:09] Leading the order [0:12] for the Queen Annes County Planning Commission [0:14] on July 9th, 2026. [0:17] We'll start with the Pledge of Allegiance. [0:19] I pledge allegiance to the flag [0:22] in the United States of America and to the republic. [0:25] She stands one nation under God, indivisible, liberty [0:30] and justice for all [0:36] public comments. [0:40] We had no one signed up. [0:41] Okay. Updates legislative and legal matters. [0:51] Oh, you're right there. Sorry. Yeah, good morning. [0:55] Move one over. Hmm. You wanna move one over? [0:58] I'll just Scoot. That's it. Yeah. [1:03] Good morning, Amy Mordoff, planning director. [1:05] I have a few updates. [1:08] As you know, we had a a long list [1:10] of citizen sponsor text amendments. [1:12] Three of them were approved on the 9th of June [1:15] and will become effective on the 25th of July. [1:19] Those were amendments to the airport, [1:23] Kent Island Gateway District [1:25] and the WVC had two text amendments. [1:29] Those will become effective in July. [1:32] As I said, two of them, [1:37] 26 0 6, 26 0 5, 26 0 6 is the [1:41] suburban commercial proposal [1:44] to change the impervious surface limit from 45 to 80%. [1:49] And then the proposal to alter the supplemental gas [1:54] standards relative to the setback from an intersection [1:57] and how you measure that setback. [1:59] Those two text amendments [2:02] had their public hearing on the 30th of June [2:05] and are potentially up [2:08] for a vote at the commissioner's next meeting, [2:11] which is on the 14th of July. [2:15] The other two text amendments [2:17] that are still hanging out there are relative [2:20] to the open space provisions, both in the TDR [2:24] and NCD districts. [2:28] Those projects have had a, they, [2:33] those two text amendments had their public hearings on May, [2:36] May 26th, and then on the 9th of June when they may have [2:40] been voted upon, the commissioners were considerate [2:44] of comments that were received relative [2:47] to maybe narrowing down non-agricultural uses [2:52] that are permissible in open space specific to [2:57] projects that have been subject to the, [3:00] the lot line adjustment as proposed. [3:03] So the commissioners requested that staff [3:08] put forward an amendment for their consideration. [3:11] So they are going to introduce an amendment [3:15] that is substantive enough [3:17] because we are looking to change what is permissible [3:22] in the open space. [3:25] So at their next meeting, which is the 14th of July meeting, [3:29] that amendment to the two amendments, [3:32] which is really one amendment which will apply to both [3:35] because the open space provisions are in one table. [3:40] So the TTDR [3:41] and NCD provisions are sit in the same place in terms of [3:45] what is permissible in open space. [3:47] So that amendment will be presented [3:50] and introduced at the 14th of July meeting, [3:52] and we'll come back to you for recommendation. [3:55] So that one's taking a little [3:57] longer to go through the process. [3:59] In terms of general updates, just to let you know, [4:04] I had mentioned to you the Turning Point Energy case, [4:08] which is three co-located community solar projects [4:14] that total almost 10 megawatts [4:17] and is cited in the town of Centerville's growth area. [4:22] I had mentioned that we were going to intervene in that case [4:25] and Lindsey on our behalf filed that petition [4:29] to Intervene, which was entered into the [4:32] record on the 8th of June. [4:34] And we are just continuing to participate [4:37] in the public utility law judge [4:40] and the Public Service Commission's [4:42] consideration of that case. [4:44] There are several dates that are relative [4:47] to submitting testament testimony and briefs [4:51] and Lindsay's just been keeping up with that. [4:54] And we will be making comments [4:56] and going on the record as appropriate to represent [5:00] what we feel is the correct interpretation of our code [5:03] and the state's renewable energy provisions. [5:08] Additionally, we had [5:13] canceled our August meeting for the Mako Conference. [5:16] There was a thought [5:17] that we might hold a special meeting in August if we had any [5:21] items for the agenda, but we do not. [5:23] So our next meeting will be on the, [5:27] on the seventh in s September. [5:30] I was trying to get the date, but, so no August, okay. [5:32] Hmm, no August, no August. [5:34] But at the Mako Conference, which is the 12th [5:36] through the 15th of August, just to let you know that [5:41] I'll be representing the county on a panel [5:44] that is discussing building the bigger picture, [5:48] and that is the county's, [5:50] I'll be the county voice on a panel discussing a lot [5:53] of the state provisions that impact development [5:57] and how the county can leverage some of its resources [6:01] and its own zoning to maximize some [6:05] of the positive aspects of that partnership. [6:09] As we've seen a lot of legislation [6:11] that impacts our local zoning codes. [6:14] Additionally, the Maker, [6:16] the Mako Planners affiliate will hold a work session [6:19] and I'll be chairing that session as the president [6:22] of the Planners affiliate for Mako. [6:25] That it, That's everything. [6:27] Miscellaneous staff items, [6:28] Those were my miscellaneous items. [6:30] Okay. [6:31] Alright. Major project. Thank you. [6:37] Thank you. Reliable Development Company. [6:43] Steve? Yes, [7:01] Good morning. [7:02] I'm Steve Johnson, senior Planner with planning and zoning. [7:04] It's good to see everybody again. [7:06] I want to thank Rob for filling in for me last month. [7:08] I hope he didn't give you too much of trouble [7:13] as stated by the the chair. [7:14] We are here to discuss SP 26 dash oh two dash 0 1 72 [7:20] for Reliable Development Company LLC, who is proposing [7:23] to construct a 40,040 square foot building for the design [7:26] and fabrication of specialty vehicles [7:28] and is requesting major site plan approval. [7:32] This project did receive concept plan approval [7:34] in December of last year. [7:37] What you're about to see is essentially the same as [7:39] what was presented then. [7:42] Project's located in Stevensville south of Route 50 [7:44] and East Pier One Road behind the target. [7:48] More specifically tax map 56 parcel 20 lot 1 0 9 totals [7:52] 4.411 acres [7:54] and is located off of Ellendale Farm Lane in Stevensville. [7:57] The target is the large white building you see [8:00] at the center of your screen there. [8:02] And as you can see by the area, [8:03] the property is currently utilized for agricultural use [8:08] Property zoned urban commercial [8:09] and is located within the Chester Stevensville growth area. [8:12] It's also located in the priority funding area, [8:14] which is not shown on the screen. [8:19] Property's partially located within the RCA [8:21] designation of the critical area. [8:22] This is the dark green sliver property [8:24] on the east side there. [8:26] That area is subject to an easement that limits use [8:28] to passive recreation planting [8:30] and landscape landscaping associated, [8:32] not associated with the proposal. [8:35] No part of this proposal encroaches upon [8:37] that area as required. [8:40] All chapter 18 landscape requirements are met [8:42] with this proposal that includes on onsite parking lot, [8:45] street buffer and screening plantings. [8:48] There are 0.189 acres of non-Title wetlands [8:51] and 0.52 acres of the associated buffer buffer on site. [8:55] These are the bright green areas [8:56] at the center of your screen. [8:58] The applicant is proposing to disturb 0.188 acres [9:02] of wetlands and 0.435 acres of buffer. [9:05] This disturbance has been authorized by MDE [9:07] and a copy of that authorization [9:09] was included in your packets. [9:11] There are 0.40 acres of woodlands on site [9:14] of which the applicant is proposing to clear 0.15 acres [9:17] that is delineated on your screen [9:19] as the hatch brown and white area. [9:22] Forest conservation has been addressed [9:24] with the original subdivision [9:25] and there are no steep slope streams, erosion hazard areas, [9:28] endangered species or areas [9:29] of a hundred year floodplain on site light. [9:34] Here's a look at the site plan. [9:36] Access is taken off [9:37] of Thompson Creek Road shown [9:38] circled in yellow on your screen. [9:41] All uc, district non-residential development standards are [9:44] met with this proposal including floor area [9:46] and imper area, which are both well [9:47] below the maximum permitted all chapter 18 parking [9:52] requirements met with this proposal and stormwater will be [9:56] provided on site and has been reviewed and approved by DPW. [9:59] Should you have any questions [10:00] regarding the stormwater on site there [10:02] as a representative from DPW here [10:04] to answer any questions you may have. [10:09] Property will be served by public water and sewer [10:11] and the project meets the requirements [10:13] of the adequate public facilities ordinance. [10:15] A copy of the A PFO approval letter was included [10:18] in your packets as well. [10:20] There is a overhead flight easement that runs [10:22] through this property, which restricts structures [10:24] and plantings to a maximum height of 35 feet. [10:27] This proposed development will comply with that restriction [10:30] as the building is proposed to be 34.8 feet in height [10:33] and all plantings will be kept below 35 feet. [10:37] It should be noted that the airport manager does support [10:40] conditional approval of the project subject [10:42] to the conditions that were included. [10:43] It's in the staff report. [10:47] There are road improvements [10:49] proposed as part of this development. [10:50] They include milling, resurfacing, res striping, [10:53] and minor widening along the south [10:55] side of Thompson Creek Road. [10:56] There in the dark dark ray that you see on your screen, [10:58] that is to supply a full width shoulder and curb. [11:05] During concept plan review, [11:06] the planning commission had concerns with truck turning [11:11] movements in and out of this site. [11:13] To address that, the applicant has developed a truck turning [11:15] exhibit that was included in your packets. [11:17] This is a snippet from that. [11:19] This is the inbound traffic coming into the site. [11:22] The trucks are shown as light blue [11:24] and the paths they take are shown as purple on your screens. [11:30] And this is what outbound turning movements may look like. [11:33] It's my understanding that the applicant has brought [11:35] their traffic engineer here. [11:36] So if you have any questions, [11:37] they should be able to address those. [11:41] Here's a look at the renderings of the building. [11:43] This is looking towards the south. [11:45] This is the entrance of the front of the building. [11:48] This is looking towards the northeast shows, the west side [11:52] and the rear of the building. [11:55] This is looking towards the northwest, [11:57] which is the east side of the building in the rear again, [12:01] and this is looking towards the southwest. [12:04] With that, before I turn it over to the applicant, [12:07] I do want to thank them. [12:08] They were a very good partner in this review, [12:12] the app, both the applicant [12:14] and the engineer worked really well with us and, [12:17] and I, I wanted to give him a compliment for that. [12:28] Good morning. Good morning. [12:30] My name is Tim Glass Land Engineering [12:33] and to my far right is John Brians with Tech Ops. [12:36] Remember seeing him before and [12:38] to my immediate right is Dorsey Schultz [12:40] with reliable real estate Development. [12:43] Mark Keeley, as Steve mentioned, is also behind me [12:45] with traffic concepts [12:47] and Genevieve McFarlane is also here as well. [12:51] Thank you Steve. That was pretty comprehensive on [12:54] what we could or discuss any further. [12:58] I will just simply mention to you that with regards to [13:03] the SHA approval [13:04] and access we have, we've checked all the boxes there. [13:07] Essentially where we're at right now is submitting [13:09] for final bond estimates for surety [13:11] and submitting the app, actual application. [13:14] I mean, we're through that, that process with them. [13:16] And also I think Steve just mentioned that we have the [13:20] MDE letter of authorization for the little bit [13:23] of non-Title wetland buffer [13:24] permits that we'll need for this. [13:25] That's ha that has been issued. [13:29] Quick note on drainage [13:30] and stormwater management, just the site's been designed to, [13:35] you know, meet the needs of really the site layout, [13:37] what the, what the owner needs to have accomplished on [13:39] that site that conduct his business effectively as well [13:44] as circulation and stormwater drainage features. [13:47] So we on site we have one microbio retention area, [13:50] which is an ESD practice as required, [13:52] and two submerge gravel wetlands to not only capture [13:55] that runoff directly from all the impervious areas, [13:58] but to store it, treat it, attenuate it, [14:00] and reduce flows ultimately [14:02] and total off of the site per requirements. [14:04] So that in a nutshell is as a stormwater, [14:07] it does provide more than required [14:09] of the environmental site design volume, which is a volume [14:13] of water that you have to capture, hold, treat, filter, [14:15] and then treat before it's released. [14:17] So we, we do comply with, with those requirements as well. [14:22] And Steve mentioned also, I mean, we're prepared [14:24] to essentially, you know, take care of any minor technical, [14:28] there's a couple of minor comments we got from sanitary [14:31] district about some notes and specs and pipe material [14:33] and some things like that that's already listed in there [14:36] in their standard details and, and construction criteria. [14:41] But they wanted us to kind of dot the, [14:44] i's cross the T's on the plans. [14:46] There's a couple of minor technical [14:47] notes we've gotta deal with there. [14:49] And then we've got sureties [14:50] and cost estimates that are, that are produced [14:52] and prepared, ready to submit back to DPW [14:54] so we can get the maintenance and inspection [14:56] agreements recorded for stormwater. [14:57] These are all kind of the finish line items that have [14:59] to be done on all these commercial jobs Anyway, so we're, [15:03] we're prepared to wrap all this up, close this out [15:08] and help John get moving forward with [15:10] what he intends to do with this site. [15:13] And with that, I think, John, [15:14] if you might wanna say a few words about, about the project, [15:17] who you are and so forth, that'd be helpful. [15:19] John Brianna, I'm the president at Tech Ops Specialty [15:22] vehicles that have been there for nine and a half years. [15:24] I'll let go. What, what Steve said. [15:27] You know, I think working on a project like this in any [15:30] county is, is difficult. [15:31] And I think the amount of teamwork that's needed over time [15:34] and, and it does take time, is important. [15:38] And the county, both Steve [15:40] and Rob have been great in coordinating with us. [15:42] Numerous site visits, a lot of engagement about [15:45] how we comply, but also, you know, kind [15:48] of meet the needs of the business. [15:49] And, and as we evolve, [15:51] I'll mention just a couple things about the business itself, [15:54] the physical location, the actual, you know, can, can island [16:00] location itself and, and some [16:01] of the people involved in the business. [16:03] The best way to describe what we do, [16:04] and I think most people know, [16:05] but it's to just kind of like talk about some examples [16:09] of projects that we do. [16:10] We do a lot of work for the US government and a lot of state [16:13] and local, a lot of Maryland centric work. [16:17] Everybody kind of knows about FIFA World Cup [16:19] and that the fact that that's going on the most [16:23] of the first half of this year, [16:24] our business was involved in designing [16:26] and building three quarters of the vehicles [16:29] that are being used at FIFA World Cup for a lot of the, [16:31] the drone defense, nature [16:33] and security aspects of what they're doing. [16:36] That's, that's an example of it, right? [16:38] It's trucks and trailers [16:39] and they're being used to kind of track [16:41] and mitigate threats from a security standpoint to, [16:45] you know, high profile events, [16:48] national level security events around the country. [16:50] That's some of the work we do. [16:52] Our biggest customers tend to fall within the US government. [16:55] Homeland Security is a principal customer of ours. [16:58] And, and the agencies, the, [17:00] the departments within Secret Service, [17:02] Homeland Security Investigations, [17:04] federal Protective Service groups like that. [17:08] The, so that's kind of a little bit of what we do. [17:10] We have engineers, we have technicians, [17:12] a lot of trades in the building. [17:14] And then typical kind of front [17:15] office administrative support. [17:17] The physical location ends up being [17:19] very important for the business. [17:21] And I'll give it just a couple examples of it. [17:23] One, in dealing with our customers, you know, [17:25] the US government and kind of a lot of the, the management [17:28] of projects like this tend [17:29] to be headquartered outta the DC area. [17:32] The ability for those customers to come to us physically [17:35] think about building a house, right? [17:37] You wanna sit down with an architect [17:39] and look at the review, put your hands around it [17:41] as the house is getting built, you want to visit it, see [17:44] how it's going with the overall intent to, [17:46] to serve the US government [17:47] and give them what they need to do their job. [17:51] The physical location facilitates a lot of that progress. [17:56] So being close to the DC you know, metro area. [17:58] In addition to that, we serve a lot of military groups. [18:01] Aberdeen Proven Ground is a customer of ours, [18:03] PAX River area, Webster outlying [18:05] Field as a customer of ours. [18:06] So some of the military installations [18:08] around the Maryland area also facilitate [18:11] just good business practice [18:12] and the ability to host customers when needed and, [18:17] and have them be a part of the project [18:19] and get what they need ultimately to support their mission. [18:24] The businesses has been growing. [18:26] I've been there nine and a half years [18:28] and we've, we've nearly grown every year I've been there. [18:31] KRM has been an am an amazing host. They're great. [18:35] The business park is in high demand [18:38] and the facility itself wasn't necessarily set up for [18:41] what we do as a business. [18:43] You know, larger doors [18:45] to bring vehicles in and out of the building. [18:48] Efficient work that's associated with that. [18:50] The, the height of the building, you know, inside in order [18:52] to do some of the testing we do on some of the vehicles. [18:56] It it, and it just wasn't set up for that. [18:58] So they have a backlog of, of requirements. [19:00] We've been able to scale and grow there recently, [19:02] but the reality is, is we need to find a new home. [19:05] And this headquarters, you know, is, is, [19:09] is in support of that. [19:11] In addition, there's sensitive nature in some of what we do. [19:14] So the ability to secure vehicles on our lot, [19:16] not have it be such an open area, things like [19:18] that end up facilitating what we do. [19:20] And also allow us to consider more confidential work [19:23] with the, for the, for the government. [19:26] The people in the building are, are critical to what we do. [19:29] It's a, it's a Maryland business. [19:31] It's a Maryland LLC, it's owned by Marylanders, [19:35] numerous Naval Academy graduates in that group. [19:37] We are a veteran-owned small business. [19:40] And then we pull from both the western [19:41] and eastern shore of Maryland to support what we do. [19:45] Head of engineering is the United States is a Maryland [19:48] University of Maryland grad. [19:50] Our front office, you know, [19:53] somewhat comes from the western shore, [19:54] some from the eastern shore, but a lot [19:56] of our technicians in trades do come from Queen Anne County. [19:59] And that's critical to what we do. [20:02] The maritime industry is a nice [20:04] sister industry to what we do. [20:05] If, if you understand boats and working in engines and, [20:09] and tinkering with tractors [20:10] and et cetera, you tend to to be able to pick up what we do. [20:14] And that's important for us to be able to continue to grow, [20:17] to continue to find labor that we need to support [20:20] what we do right here in the county. [20:24] So I say all that just to say that it, it's, you know, [20:26] we're, we're a business that's on the move and successful [20:28] and it's, it's in many respects [20:30] because of where we're located and it's as much a, [20:33] a Maryland and Queen Anne County story as anything else. [20:36] And I think our ability to continue to be here, [20:38] to grow here is important. [20:40] And I think, I think that's a, a large amount of pride [20:43] that everybody can take in, in the success of this business, [20:45] but a collective success of a [20:46] Maryland and Queenland County business. [20:51] Thank you, John. I guess at this point, you know, [20:54] we would, we would entertain any questions you guys have, [20:57] we'll be happy to answer those. [20:58] Otherwise, you know, we would respectfully request your [21:01] approval of the final site plan so that we can [21:04] button this project up [21:05] and like I said, [21:07] get John moving in the right direction here. [21:10] Questions Madam Chair? [21:12] Go ahead, Ben. Steve, can, can you give us some sort [21:16] of graphic of where the runway is [21:18] for Bay Bridge Airport in relation to the building? [21:22] Yeah, I, I might have [21:23] to pop outta my presentation real quick. [21:26] I'm curious as to whether the building's directly in the [21:29] approach path to use a pilot term or whether it's offset. [22:08] Okay, so the, the property in questions here [22:10] that's highlighted in blue and here [22:13] You're, here's your, that tells me [22:14] what I, what I'm asking. Okay. Yep. [22:17] Slightly offset. Yep. Thank you. Sure. Oh, I need, [22:22] I have a question regarding your traffic patterns. [22:25] I don't know if you wanna bring up your traffic person [22:27] or if you can address that. [22:28] And primarily it is, [22:31] and I'll give the county department heads up [22:34] that they'll be asked probably to weigh in on their opinion [22:35] as well, looking at the, What we're calling this, [22:40] your traffic post sign for outbound trucks leaving [22:44] the proposed project going westbound or eastbound on on 50 [22:50] and recalling the conversation we had about ingress [22:52] and egress out of this particular property at [22:54] that intersection with Route 18 or eight south. [23:00] And so why are the westbound [23:06] traffic exiting your property crossing [23:12] a a thoroughfare that's in a car sometimes challenging. [23:17] And why are we sending, we you suggesting they [23:22] go left outta there speaking specifically about larger [23:24] trucks, tractor trailer scale [23:26] and not going eastbound on that access road to the turnabout [23:30] and coming back to get in the queue. [23:34] So we have 45% of our traffic trucks [23:39] and passenger car vehicles [23:43] traveling westbound over the bridge so [23:46] that traffic would exit the site making a left [23:50] and then a right onto to Maryland eight [23:53] and using the interchanged access 50. [23:56] Right. But why not? [23:57] Because that's a tricky exit coming off the property [24:00] and onto that access road, whatever that name is, [24:05] versus turning right, going down [24:06] to the circle and coming back. [24:09] So if you go to the circle, [24:11] then you're turning right onto us 50 [24:14] and you've gotta go down and no, [24:15] No, no, you go around the circle [24:16] and come back to get in the queue. I'm just curious. [24:20] Yeah, I mean that that, [24:21] That's an, it's, it's a, it's an alternate route. [24:24] So turning, turning right, going [24:27] around the circle and then coming back. [24:29] Correct. Because the, the design [24:33] of the access as shown with the auto turn exhibit shows [24:38] that you can, I, I [24:41] wb 67 I think was the truck that we used, [24:46] which is the largest tractor trailer can negotiate that. I, [24:50] I have no question about the engineering involved in a, [24:52] a truck being certified to make a particular turn. [24:55] Yeah. Fantastic. Thank you for all that information [24:58] and data I'm just talking about logistically speaking, [25:01] I come at a target and I often wait several minutes in a car [25:06] to turn left to go to that same intersection. [25:08] And I'm just wondering as a tractor trailer driver in a [25:11] circum under a similar circumstance that that would be [25:14] that much more challenging. [25:16] I'm just curious to why we're directing traffic [25:18] to the left coming out of your this [25:20] facility versus going right. [25:21] Yeah, I just, I think that's, you know, [25:23] a professional truck driver is gonna take the easiest route, [25:26] I don't think going down to the roundabout [25:28] and trying to Well, [25:30] Well there's easy and they're safe and practical. [25:33] So I'm just, we we talk about this a lot about yeah. Right. [25:36] Specifically case in point are mining [25:39] extraction facilities here in the county. [25:41] Yeah. We require them to go way out [25:44] of their way roundabout over the hill through the woods [25:46] to avoid certain intersections [25:48] or certain parts of town that are school bus heavy [25:51] or business heavy or you know, [25:52] soft shoulder, whatever the reason is. [25:55] I understand what you're saying. We [25:56] Can direct traffic where we choose to direct traffic [25:58] and I'm just wondering if that, if we're currently under [26:01] that yellow arrow that's proposed, if that's the safest [26:04] egress from your property. [26:05] I get what you're saying, it's a left, we're trying [26:08] to eliminate left turn to where Well [26:09] It's, it's a short, it's a short run there too, but [26:12] I don't think, [26:13] and maybe John can answer this is not really [26:20] a, a large truck generator. [26:22] I mean the trucks come in, deliver parts. There's [26:25] One a day or something was per Joe's I [26:26] Think. [26:27] Yeah. And I'm not sure. So we, an I analyze [26:30] traffic engineers analyze peak hour. [26:33] I don't know exactly when your truck's coming in, [26:36] but I probably not during peak hours. [26:41] I know deliveries try not to come to facilities [26:46] during peak time period. [26:47] So I would suspect your truck traffic is not gonna arrive [26:52] during that seven to 9 46 mid morning [26:55] Later in the morning, sometimes afternoon. [26:57] And I think that probably the, the small number [27:00] of trucks accessing this site [27:03] and then not being peak hour trips, I would think mitigates [27:09] any, any conflicts with the commuting public. [27:14] Okay. I see engineers representing the department, [27:17] public works and roads. [27:18] Do you have any, can you reaffirm these comments [27:21] or alleviate my concerns Mr. [27:25] Ger or Mr. Moore about egress of truck traffic on [27:28] that stretch of road there? [27:30] That's pretty congested at most times. [27:33] Also Henry here, the state highway. [27:35] That, that the state highway road, you might [27:38] Chime in. [27:39] That's fine. I, I defer to you as to [27:41] who con addresses the concern and it's not a major one. [27:45] It just seems like there's an alternate route [27:47] that might be safer and better [27:48] and why that's not being pro proposed as option A. [27:52] I don't know, is my question. [27:56] I mean, I can take it back to our [27:57] Traffic. [27:58] I think you're gonna need to be on a mic, [27:59] sir, if you don't mind. [28:03] I would add just quickly in support of Mr. [28:06] Lay's reservations, I'd hate to be the sheriff that has [28:10] to enforce unless enough space is there to clear the turn. [28:16] I don't think that road sign [28:18] that you proposed is particularly effective [28:20] and in support of Commissioner Lay's position, I'd like [28:23] to see something that says no right [28:24] or no left turn right for trucks. [28:28] Well again, we, we ran the auto turn [28:30] and there's, it's, there's adequate space [28:33] for the largest truck to, to turn left [28:37] If there's no other traffic. [28:39] Right? Well it's, it's, you wait for a gap. [28:41] It's just, I mean these are professional truck drivers, [28:43] they're gonna wait for a gap. [28:44] Yeah, no, I understand that. And they're gonna proceed. [28:48] I mean, you're also gonna have conflicts with traffic [28:51] with a truck trying to negotiate the, the roundabout. [28:55] Yes. So I, I think the safest way is to make, [28:59] wait for a gap in traffic. [29:01] It's gonna be off peak hour, make a left [29:03] and then use, use the state road [29:07] to access us 50. [29:09] I think that's the safest, most efficient route for [29:14] Trucks. [29:15] Is that the state's position as well, sir? [29:17] To the best of my knowledge, yes. [29:18] And like I said, I can take it back to our traffic engineers [29:21] and tractor division in the office [29:24] and if what their thoughts are on trying to send tractor [29:28] to trailers up to that roundabout, [29:30] that is a very small roundabout to try [29:32] to make a u-turn within it basically. [29:35] Well if you're coming eastbound, you're take, [29:36] you're cutting a u-turn on that, [29:38] that's the proposed entrance route for eastbound traffic. [29:41] Right? Sure. You're not coming off again. [29:46] It, it, it also suggests it's a little weird that [29:49] you're not, you're you're going out one way [29:53] but you're not coming in that same way. [29:55] Right? So if you turn the page, you're suggesting [29:57] that eastbound traffic go all the way down to that circle, [30:00] do that hairpin u-turn that we just mentioned [30:02] and coming back into the facility. [30:04] Why are you not getting off the exit ramp right off the [30:07] bridge and turning right and then merging over? [30:11] Well it's, I mean you're talking about going down [30:13] and turning a truck, turning around [30:18] the entire roundabout. [30:19] If you're coming from westbound 50, you don't need [30:23] to traverse through the entire roundabout. It's you're, [30:26] But it's arguably a, a similar if not tighter turn, [30:30] at least on the map we're looking at. I mean, [30:32] If you're, if you're going all the way [30:33] around the round the roundabout, [30:34] the truck's gonna be dragging its wheels through the center [30:37] of the roundabout if you're trying to, [30:40] Which I believe is built for that. [30:42] Yeah, it's, it's built for that. [30:43] But again, you know, the analysis shows that [30:47] and State Highway reviewed the study. [30:49] They reviewed the trip distribution and the number of trips [30:52] and they approved it and then they, they asked [30:56] for the truck turning radius, which we provided them. [30:59] And then we're, we're designing the access specifically [31:04] for trucks to exit and enter. [31:06] Again, I understand all the [31:07] design, engineering, and forethought. [31:09] Fantastic. Thank you. Appreciate that. [31:10] No problems, no issues. It's the simple logistics of why [31:14] you still haven't answer my question [31:16] to why are we bringing trucks in one way [31:18] but not the same way out. [31:20] It seems to me that would be, if if your argument is [31:23] where you want to position yourself, that's fine, [31:26] but it seems contradictory to me this [31:29] Way. [31:30] So I think what he's talking about is this here. [31:34] Right. So I yeah, we, [31:38] we have distributed the traffic. [31:40] There are 25 inbound [31:45] AM trips from, from northbound. [31:50] I'm on page 17. [31:52] I'm looking at this, this exhibit here, [31:54] this color coded wrap mount. [31:56] Yeah, [31:59] Yeah, that's, that exhibit's not my study. [32:01] And one page has you [32:03] leaving one way and the other way it's, [32:05] If I may add, this was an exhibit [32:07] that we put together internally [32:08] and coordination with, with tech ops to coordinate with [32:12] that study the count study that's in your packet as well. [32:16] This is not meant for everyday traffic like we're talking [32:18] about the larger trucks. [32:20] That's what this is, is meant for. [32:22] This will be an internal kind of logistics plan just [32:25] for the trucking. [32:26] It sounds like, you know, based on the time of arrival, [32:30] what we've done from the study, it's gonna be off peak hours [32:32] as Mark mentioned that left turnout of the site isn't [32:36] as much of a conflict [32:37] because there won't be as much, [32:39] much cuing at that time of day. Yeah. [32:41] But then why Okay then well, okay, fine, fine. Thank you. [32:44] Addressed and answered. Still have, [32:47] I'm waiting clarity on why inbound trucks coming from the [32:51] Bay Bridge are going under the underpass to go to [32:54] that roundabout to come back [32:55] and instead of getting off at the exit, [32:57] That's not happening. [32:58] And I didn't do that in my study. [33:00] All the traffic that's entering this site, if, [33:05] if you, I don't know if you have the study, it's on page 17, [33:08] they're arriving, they use the interchange [33:13] to access eight [33:14] and then they turn left onto Thompson Creek Road. [33:21] So this, you're talking about the long rundown and [33:23] Then I'm talking about this exhibit right there [33:25] that has him going past your facility, coming back to it [33:29] through the roundabout that we've been talking about. [33:31] Why is that the preferred means of entering [33:35] for eastbound traffic instead of getting off the exit, [33:38] immediately coming off the Bay Bridge [33:40] To reduce one left turn in that, [33:42] that lane at the intersection of Route eight [33:45] and Pine Creek route. [33:47] Okay, we can, I'm, I'm hearing con contradicting, [33:50] contradicting to ions on, on [33:54] from an expert, traffic expert [33:58] who says trucks are gonna take the path [33:59] of release resistance and then [34:01] the next comment is they're gonna go down underneath this, [34:04] go around, skip through Maloo and come back. [34:06] Okay. I, I just, I'm, I'm, I need, I still, [34:09] I'm still not super clear on why we're not doing [34:12] So can I. [34:13] Same entrance and egress pathways. [34:15] I, I, when I do a study, I try to take the [34:19] worst case traffic scenario [34:21] 'cause it's the easiest path for me to get [34:24] Approved. [34:25] Sure. Human nature. Yeah. [34:25] So I had all my trips from coming across the Bay Bridge [34:31] using the interchange [34:32] and then as I said, coming down south, [34:36] The shorter run. [34:37] Yeah, right. The more logical Right. [34:39] Direct route. And we, so then we did the auto turn just [34:42] to make sure that truck traffic could do [34:45] what I'm showing in the study and they can, [34:48] and then I guess Dorsey had an alternative. [34:53] I I don't think it's a good idea to say no left turns. [34:56] I mean I think the best access is to, to keep [35:02] the full access movement. [35:04] 'cause again, this is a very limited [35:09] generator in terms of tractor trailers. [35:12] And again those tractor, the tractor trailer [35:15] that will visit the site is most likely not gonna [35:19] happen during the peak hour [35:21] To the next page. [35:23] I I hear you and I, I don't necessarily agree with you, [35:26] but it's just from a presentation. [35:29] But when I'm reading this, it sounds like you're [35:33] proposing two different scenarios [35:35] and then saying they're both the best, but I'm, [35:37] I'm not. I'm I'm [35:38] Saying okay, your team is Yes, [35:40] Yes. And that, [35:41] That's, and that's confusing [35:42] to the people sitting over here that that's who are trying [35:44] to interpret your intentions. If I, [35:45] If I can just kind of summarize [35:46] and bring back, we've got four want, two inbound, [35:49] two outbound, I Sure, sure. [35:55] Two inbound, two outbound. [35:56] And the only route that differs from [35:58] what was in the traffic report was this one [36:01] where I show further down right at [36:03] The circle and coming back through through Yep. Yes. That [36:05] Was tip only to reduce any left turn at the [36:08] End. [36:09] That's not necessarily a preferred recommended route. [36:11] That's just simply the alternative route. [36:13] Simply like turning right turn only [36:15] would be an alternate route. Yes sir. Understood. [36:17] For the one tractor trailer that, [36:19] that comes each once a day during off peak hours. [36:23] Okay, now that, now that's clear. Okay. [36:25] Thank Sorry for the confusion. [36:26] No, no, it's, you leave a little, when you leave room [36:29] for interpretation, you get different interpretations. [36:34] But I appreciate you that, that Thank you. But [36:36] I completely addressed Questions. [36:38] Un unless the county department has anything to add [36:40] or subtract from that testimony on behalf [36:43] of Department of Public Works. [36:45] 'cause you've been involved in this, I'm sure. [36:49] Good morning. Lee Edgar, chief engineer [36:52] with the Department of Public Works. [36:54] I'm not quite as intimately knowledgeable with regard [36:57] to the exhibit and how that all came together and such. [37:00] So the applicant is really best to speak to that. [37:03] But I am hearing the discussion and understand your question [37:06] and concern and want to provide some insight [37:08] with regard to that. [37:10] Commissioner, you're always good to add, ask the question. [37:12] As always, we're concerned about the safety [37:16] and, you know, movement for our motoring public and such. [37:19] In this case, as you brought up the, the matter of [37:23] extractions and mines [37:25] and such in the review of this project, the [37:30] trucks coming in [37:31] and out serving this are very, very few in number. [37:35] Whereas with a mine that that product is, [37:38] you have a vast quantity of vehicles coming in and out. [37:42] I would tend to agree with the applicant that [37:46] not restricting this [37:48] and leaving, leaving the access to [37:52] and from the site to the discretion [37:54] of the truck driver would be the best scenario in this, [37:59] in this case, for example, a tractor trailer and, [38:04] and I don't know how many tractor trailers they would really [38:06] have indicate that was kind of the worst case scenario. [38:11] Making that right turn outta the site, going back [38:15] to the traffic circle [38:16] and coming back, the vehicles entering that circle, [38:20] even though it is marked with a deceleration speed [38:23] and such would coming off [38:25] of the state highway would be presumably coming at a much [38:28] higher rate of speed than, for example, vehicles coming [38:33] off of Route eight, making that turn [38:36] onto the road from that light. [38:39] They have very little time to bring up speed. [38:41] So I think if I were driving the truck leaving [38:46] that site, I would likely opt to wait for a clear movement [38:51] to make a left turn out of the site. [38:53] To your point, it may take a little while depending on the [38:57] queuing of vehicles and such, [38:59] but I think it is very situational. [39:02] And in this particular instance, the proposal as it is, [39:06] which does not have signage [39:07] or restrictions on how those [39:11] vehicles which are delivering materials to [39:14] or from the site would utilize their discretion. [39:18] It would probably very be a very challenging thing [39:20] to implement, unlike a mine for example, where [39:24] that is the business [39:25] and the drivers are very much trained to adhere [39:28] to a haul route when you have a manufacturing facility [39:31] and a occasional deliveries which may be coming in [39:34] and out, different, different drivers [39:37] and every, it would be very, very difficult if not, [39:41] you know, really logistically impossible to [39:44] enforce a haul route [39:46] and could enter some confusion into that [39:49] for the drivers who are doing it. [39:50] So you're, you're very good to ask the question. [39:53] I think there are valid questions in the terms [39:55] of the motorist that's going to be pulling out, [39:58] but I would agree that it's best to be left to the driver [40:02] for that particular delivery. [40:03] And so Mr. Edgar, thank you, appreciate that greatly. [40:05] Good points all, would you, just to clarify your comments, [40:10] you would not be in favor of a sign suggesting that in, [40:14] in the application package, quote, attention all trucks, [40:16] no left turns unless there's enough space [40:18] to clear the eastbound drive lane. [40:19] That seems as Mr. [40:21] Till Commissioner Tillman stated silly to enforce [40:26] and, and a and a professional trucker should know that, [40:29] that they shouldn't turn if, if it's not safe, right? [40:32] I mean what was that a, whose recommendation was that? [40:35] The, a recommendation of the traffic expert [40:37] for safety purposes or that [40:39] That was our internal clarity. [40:41] Just notify all truck drivers if we supposed [40:43] to sign on our gate, on the gate [40:45] of the site as they're leaving. [40:46] Okay. This wouldn't be an an out [40:48] On the road. [40:49] See it's not a legal enforceable traffic [40:51] sign, it's just a Correct. [40:52] Hey guys, you're gals, [40:53] you're coming into a congested area, right? Be [40:56] Mindful practices. Yes. Okay. [40:58] That work for you? Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. Thank you Mr. Greg. [41:00] Appreciate it. You're very welcome. Thank you. [41:03] I would like to note that art's been among us for a while [41:09] And if he doesn't connect he may do his vote [41:11] through me, if that's okay. [41:13] Okay, sure. Been emailing back [41:15] and forth as long as you're okay, Lindsay. [41:16] Yeah, as long as you announce it. Okay. Yep. [41:20] Okay. Any other questions? [41:25] Other comment? Sure. [41:34] I arrived a little late and wasn't able to sign up. [41:37] If I can, can I submit this for all of the commissioners, [41:43] commissioners, Jay Aleg, queen Ann Conservation Association. [41:46] I'm not here to oppose this project, [41:48] but I did wanna raise just a couple of things for you all [41:51] to consider and also hope to make an appeal [41:53] to the applicant himself [41:55] because there might be a couple of things here [41:56] that could both be a soft cost savings [42:00] and also beneficial for the environment. [42:03] So I did, I reviewed their storm water management plan [42:10] when it comes to the Chesapeake Bay [42:11] and Maryland's rivers and creeks. [42:14] We're making a lot of progress in a lot of areas, [42:16] but the one area where we continue to fail is storm water. [42:21] And the applicant is doing what's required right now, [42:25] but there might be a better way to do this [42:28] and this would be with a pervious surface [42:32] within the parking lot. [42:34] And the document that I've just [42:36] provided to you was generated off an AI search. [42:40] What it shows that a pervious parking lot can actually be [42:43] cheaper than some of the storm water management plans [42:46] that we currently have in place. [42:49] And so one of the things that I would really like to appeal [42:51] to the applicant for is to consider that and look into it [42:55] because it may be a cost savings [42:57] and it would certainly be more [42:59] beneficial to the environment. [43:01] The other two things that I just wanna mention also, [43:04] which again appeal an appeal to the applicant when it comes [43:08] to the landscaping of the property. [43:11] If you all could make a specific note [43:13] of planting only native species trees and shrubbery. [43:19] Planting native is important for a lot of reasons, [43:21] but especially in the trees. [43:25] An oak tree, for example, harbors up to 400 different [43:31] organisms locally and that can be beneficial [43:34] to the, to our environment. [43:35] And then very last on your lighting fixtures [43:39] for your buildings, there's a website called the dark sky [43:44] Dark Sky effort [43:46] and it's meant to reduce light pollution [43:50] in this area of Ken Island. [43:51] Light pollution is a problem. [43:53] There are fixtures online that are dark sky compliant, [43:57] which still provide businesses with the necessary light, [44:00] but they angle it downward [44:02] and it's not like the big floodlights [44:04] that you see all over the place. [44:06] So three environmental things that [44:08] I hope the app applicant will consider [44:11] and it could be something that we could all celebrate. [44:13] I'd love to see more businesses do these types of things [44:16] and it's a bragging, it's a bragging right [44:18] for Queen Anne's County and for the business. [44:20] And a lot of times many [44:22] of these things are less costly than some [44:24] of the other things that are out there. [44:26] So thank you for your time. Thank you. [44:29] Any other public comment? [44:34] Don't have it. Nothing. One line. Okay. Can I get a [44:39] Just one follow up on that Madam chair? [44:41] If I may, based on Mr. [44:42] F Said's comment, I'm looking over at staff. [44:44] Is this, are the landscaping plans not required [44:47] or at least in large part to be [44:49] required to be native plants? [44:51] I think the majority of these are native on site, right? [44:53] Their landscape architect is here. [44:55] Nate Ter Nate, he may be able [44:56] to answer your question about he on site. [44:59] No, from my review of the list, they appear largely native, [45:02] but I, I'm looking to you guys [45:03] that I think there's actually language in our code [45:06] that requires, we remember going [45:08] through this with previous directors. [45:09] Some, but not all. It's when readily available, [45:12] some loop in there that allows people to substitute if [45:16] we can't get stock or something. [45:17] But that's the intent is to be, if not all, [45:20] largely in part native plantings. Yes, correct. [45:25] I did have someone that wanted to make common alive. [45:27] Okay. Hello? [45:54] I am allowing her to make comment, but no one [45:57] Hello? [46:02] Did they hang up? [46:03] No, they're still there. [46:08] Let me, [46:18] Hi Lauren, if you're there, you're, you can unmute now. [46:21] I made you a, gave you the ability to at least [46:29] Just [46:33] Lauren, are you there? [46:44] I don't know. [46:45] Muted. She's saying it won't [46:50] let her on mute, but [46:52] Didn she Type her [46:53] Comment. [46:54] Yeah. Lauren, if you can type your comment. [46:56] I could read it for you. I'm not sure why it's [46:58] not letting you unmute. [47:47] Need some Elevator music. It's not allowing Yeah. [47:50] Tell [48:05] this is your only sole facility, correct? [48:10] This one that we're, yes. Yeah, [48:11] it's Yep. No other locations [48:14] Fully Relocating [48:15] From. [48:16] And you, how long you been in the business park? [48:18] Oh, six six as tech years since 17? [48:21] Yeah. Are you bringing more jobs with this building? [48:25] Maybe split. How many do you have [48:26] now and how many are you bringing? [48:28] It's, well, I mean maybe I'll just [48:29] Let, It depends on contracts, basically. But's. [48:33] Try that one. We don't Have to be [48:34] exact. It's not pass out. [48:35] Yeah. I mean it'll allow Us to get, all right. [48:36] Lauren, could you try unmuting [48:37] for us one more time? If you can hear me? [48:40] A fuller one shift of of [48:41] Employees. [48:42] Okay, but how many do, would you, do you, [48:44] if you don't wanna say how many [48:45] employees you have, that's fine, I guess. [48:47] No, we're pr it's on site on a given day [48:50] is probably around 40. [48:53] But you have people offsite too. The businesses supporting [48:55] The salespeople. [48:56] The, the vi my mic's going through. Yeah, [48:59] But maybe she's not Hearing it on. [49:02] Oh, it, it is possible if she had it muted on her end. [49:05] I'm not, I'm not getting any text response. [49:08] And I've made the meeting available so anyone could unmute [49:11] and no one's unmuting. So [49:13] Mr. Lee, in res response [49:15] to your question about landscaping. [49:16] Yes. Onsite encourages the use of native species, [49:21] the encourages the use for the on onsite landscaping guests. [49:26] Okay. She did send in a message. Thank you. Yep. [49:28] Our messages, this is from Lauren [49:31] Smuts, she said, sorry about that. [49:33] I would like to know what the applicant is doing to adhere [49:36] to the design standards in the uc zone guide, [49:39] especially in regard to compatibility [49:41] with surrounding development such as residential. [49:44] Apologies that it won't. Let me unmute. [49:49] So we've, we've submitted the UCTC design guideline notes [49:53] and memo along with the package, you know, [49:56] through the concept plan review the colored elevations [49:59] that are included and extensive with review with staff. [50:03] We were confident that we meet the standards within the [50:07] design guidelines. [50:09] It was a, a major topic of conversation during the PLA [50:13] concept plan phase. [50:15] And from that approval, we've had no substantial changes [50:19] to the design of the building [50:21] and the associated memo and code. [50:24] Okay. As you Have further comment, [50:32] She says, if they could please share some [50:34] of the elements integrated into that design [50:37] Piece. [50:38] More water. [50:40] Steve, if you want to pull up the colored [50:42] elevation or is that something Yeah. [50:44] Pull up with public comment. [50:45] Do we typically do a back and forth or is it more No. [50:48] Yeah, that's, if, if you guys would [50:53] prefer to ask, and I [50:54] I will go on record to say this does meet the [50:56] TCUC design standards. [50:58] We worked very hard with these, the applicant to, to get [51:01] to this design initially. [51:03] It, it needed some work [51:05] and they, they've come a long way with it. [51:06] So I just wanna put that out there. [51:09] There was a memo in your packets that explains all this. [51:14] Okay. Any other questions? [51:19] Any other comments? [51:22] I'm good. Can we get a [51:24] proposal recommendation? [51:29] Madam Chair? Having considered the testimony presented [51:32] and having reviewed the findings outlined in the staff [51:35] report, be it hereby resolve that the planning commission [51:38] regarding the request by a reliable development company, LLC [51:43] for major site plan approval [51:44] to construct a 40,040 square foot building for the design [51:49] and fabrication of specialty vehicles [51:52] between a 4.411 acre parcel in the urban commercial zoning [51:56] district, and is more particularly described in Department [51:59] of Planning and zoning file. [52:01] SP number 26 dash oh two dash oh 1 72 [52:06] hereby finds the site plan does meet all requirements of [52:11] chapter 18. [52:13] Will not substantially increase traffic hazards [52:16] or safety concerns due to traffic generated, generated [52:19] by the proposed use. [52:21] The location or orientation of curb cuts [52:23] or the layout of internal circulation [52:27] does contain a layout of buildings, parking, [52:30] roads, and utilities. [52:31] That does not substantially increase fire, health [52:34] or other public safety standards. [52:36] Is a adequately buffered [52:38] and screened to minimize potential adverse impacts [52:41] to neighboring properties [52:43] and public rights of way [52:45] will not substantially increase stormwater drainage. [52:47] Drainage, or pollution will not have an unreasonably adverse [52:52] effect upon property values in the vicinity of the site, [52:55] will not adversely affect the public welfare [52:58] and will provide for public safety through compliance [53:01] with the state Fire code and with any applicable county [53:04] or municipal fire codes is compatible [53:07] with the general character of the surrounding neighborhood [53:10] and is consistent with the purpose, goals [53:12] and objectives of the 2022 comprehensive plan [53:16] and hereby grants minor site plan approval subject [53:20] to the following conditions. [53:22] All remaining edits and [53:24] or documents required by the Department [53:26] of Public Works planning and zoning [53:27] or any other reviewing agency be reviewed and approved. [53:31] All remaining comments, edits, and [53:33] or documents required by the Maryland Department [53:35] of Transportation State Highway [53:37] Administration must be addressed. [53:40] All required legal documents must be approved, signed [53:43] and recorded prior to obtaining final site plan signatures [53:47] All required bonds sureties review [53:50] and inspection fees must be submitted to the Department [53:53] of Public Works and the Department of Planning [53:54] and zoning is appropriate. [53:56] The conditions specified in the attached airport manager [53:59] review number three, email dated [54:02] June 18th, 2026 must be met. [54:05] And the architecture [54:06] and overall site design must substantially reflect the [54:10] documents provided. [54:12] Can I make one point of clarification? [54:14] The staff report notes minor site plan approval [54:16] instead of major site plan [54:18] Approval. I [54:18] Okay. [54:19] Apologize. I I read that. [54:21] I thought you in my mind I was okay. [54:23] Just making sure. Yes. Okay. [54:25] So may I amend my motion to, to make [54:29] that major site plan approval. Thank you, Lindsay. [54:31] It's supposed to be major. Yep. Apologize for that. Yep. [54:35] I Okay. [54:39] All those in favor? There's a like a second [54:43] for public comment. [54:44] I'm sorry. Second. Second. All in favor? Opposed? [54:50] So did we get art's vote art? [54:54] He hasn't emailed me. Right. [55:15] And board member Eberts Berger votes in favor of the motion. [55:18] Okay, so moved. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. [55:23] Thank you. Public comment [55:30] there being none. [55:32] Can I get my favorite resolution? Ajour? [55:37] Second. Second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.