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To order the Queen Annes County Planning Commission

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for Thursday, June 11th, 2026.

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And we'll start with the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible, liberty,

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and justice for all.

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Okay. Public comment

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there being none.

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You have anything? No. Okay.

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Updates, legislation and legal matters. Amy and Stephanie.

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All right, Good morning. Good

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Morning. Morning. So

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I have quite a few updates for you

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regarding text amendments that you've seen yourself.

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Stephanie Jones, long range principle planner, sorry,

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text amendments that you've seen in the last two months.

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So it might take a bit, but we'll get through it.

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The commissioners this past Tuesday did have many

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of those on there for actions.

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So 26 0 4, which was to add boat sales

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and repair to Mars to the list of uses

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that could occupy more than 65,000 square feet

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in the airport protection.

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Ken Island Gateway District, they did approve that

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and that will become effective July 25th also as well.

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And these next two as well were approved

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and will become effective.

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The same date as I just mentioned, 26 0 7,

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which was specific to the WVC, which was

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to increase the floor area ratio to 40% that was approved.

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And then also 26 0 8, also in the wfe WVC,

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which was to allow commercial apartments essentially to move

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that commercial apartment onto any other same floor

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was adopted and then will become effective on July 25th.

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So those were three that were voted on.

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Also 20 citizen sponsored text amendments.

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And then 26 12, which was the update to forest conservation,

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the commissioners did approve that.

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They also did approve it with an amendment.

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That amendment was to address, essentially

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to address solar projects that were to come in

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and essentially might be located on forested properties.

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That amendment specifically what it says is

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for properties larger than 25 acres that have 50%,

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that are 50% forested

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and include priority areas are not allowed

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to clear more than 20% of the, of the forest.

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All the A forestation is to be accomplished onsite

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or offsite fee and lie will not be accepted.

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And then a higher a forestation rate,

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which will be one and a half to one.

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So that was the amendment. Sorry,

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Stephanie, what's the, you said other proposals in there

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somewhere in mid-sentence, what

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Was it regarding what they can

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or their conditions or, yeah,

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You said there was other, there was a vague term in

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there. Sorry.

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From priority properties larger than 25 priority areas.

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What? What? Oh, priority areas. Okay.

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So those are listed in the code essentially.

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Those are some environmental, they include areas

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that might be your endangered species areas.

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Okay. Areas that kind of already,

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I designated forested interior dwelling birds.

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So if there's two or more of those on the property,

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then this would be subject as long as it's over 25 acres

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and 50% forested.

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Thanks. So essentially this is to assist with

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what would be those properties that might be solar.

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Correct. And have forested lands that is,

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was adopted and it will beco become effective July one as

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that's the date of the effective for forest conservation.

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The commissioners, that was the legislative actions

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that were approved on Tuesday night.

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There were two that will be sent back to you.

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This was the 26 0 9 and 26 10.

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This was the non-contiguous

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and TDR administrative subdivision specific to open space.

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The commissioners proposed an amendment

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and that essentially is to prohibit those uses

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that are non-agricultural on those properties

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that would come in and basically have an

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approved lot line adjustment.

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And those uses are specific to minor extractions,

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public recreation, shooting clubs, and outdoor recreation.

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So those are uses

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that are permitted in open space at this time.

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But if a property owner was to have a lot line adjustment

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approved, if this amendment is to go forward,

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then it would be, they would not be able

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to do those uses on those, those that open space property.

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So it'll come back to you for your July meeting

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for a recommendation back to the county commissioners.

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And then two more, there'll be a public hearing,

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two public hearings on June 30th, and that is for 26 0 6.

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And that's the suburban commercial of impervious up to 80%

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for your commercial and industrial uses.

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That exists as, as of December 31st.

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And then 26 0 5, which is the gas station tax amendment

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to change the measurement

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and where the measurement is taken.

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That public hearing will also be on June 30th.

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That meeting is a week following the, the normal date

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because the committee, they've moved that meeting

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because of the primary election, which was

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to take place on that same day.

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Sure. One other thing, I wanted to address these, that's all

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for text amendments,

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but we did talk a little bit last time about bills

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that were passed, essentially this past session.

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One, I wanted to bring up that

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and kind of clarify a little bit, is the one

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that was specific to the comp plan.

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We did have some questions over what really

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that meant for the comp plan.

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I kind of wanna take a step backwards

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to the 25 general session.

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General assembly session.

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There was a bill passed essentially that changed the outline

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of a comp plan from 12 visions to eight principles.

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And those principles are land, transportation,

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housing economy, equity, resilience, resilience

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and place in ecology.

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So the one question was specific to equity

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and what that kind of meant for the comp plan.

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That 25 bill basically identifies equity

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as engage all sectors of the community in plan development

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to ensure diverse voices are heard

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and that needs of undeserved,

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underserved populations are prioritized.

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So then in this past 26 session, they kind of went on

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and elaborated on what had

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to be put into the comprehensive plan, specific

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to all of those principles.

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And then specific to the equity portion,

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what it says is that the needs of overburdened

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and underserved communities need to be addressed as well

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as interest of populations in the county

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that typically have not

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participated in the planning process.

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So they want to try to have more people essentially

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kind of involved in the process.

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The equity element also shall include report,

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shall include information from the report

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of the Commission on Environmental Justice

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and Sustainable Communities, which is a report

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that's completed every year through MDE as well.

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MDP, Maryland Department of Planning is required

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to provide information to the county, which we kind

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of already go out and grab the information that's needed.

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But this is them kind of saying we have

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to provide you with that information.

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And then there's also a portion that indicates

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what the element may include.

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So those are essentially aren't a,

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that's not a shall statement, it's a may,

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but that includes promote a broader civic engagement in the

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public decision making process, address health risk

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and environmental problems in overburden

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and underserved communities and prioritize improvements

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and programs that address the needs of overburdened

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and underserved communities.

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So this past bill really what it says, this is

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what we have to do, and then a portion

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of this is kind of a may statement.

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So that's kind of where the equity portion is.

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If you have any other questions, I can answer them now.

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What, what if any impact does

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that have in in the comprehensive plan that we've already,

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The one that's been completed, formulated

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And, and So we don't have to go in

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and change our comp plan right now.

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We would have to address it with the next comp plan next.

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Okay. Yep. Wanna make

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Sure within the next comp plan or bef

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or at the next comp plan at the next, when,

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when we do the next Okay.

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Comp plan. Yep. Thanks. Thank you.

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Just like 10 years out, no less than that. It's

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Closer than you think.

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It was approved in 22, so come on.

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I I, I, I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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And it's like it was a year ago. Yeah, right. Exactly.

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Yeah. Yep.

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So I have lighter updates.

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I wanna let you know about some of the initiatives

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that staff is involved in.

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One is I've been really excited about,

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and it's pertinent to our update

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to the forest conservation plan.

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Just to let you know that we have traditionally collected

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fee in lieu for forest conservation,

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but it's very difficult to find projects where we can spend

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that fee in lie money

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because it has to be on public land. So what

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Are you doing with it?

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So here's what we're doing with it.

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We have collaborated with the town of Centerville.

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Mike Whitehill is, was working with the YMCA

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on the, their and their buffer enhancement plan.

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That was a part of their site plan update and approval.

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We have collaborated with them

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to utilize our forest conservation funding to create

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a, a forested area on the YMCA property,

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which is public property.

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And at the same time we're working with the Department

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of Parks and Rec

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and DPW to implement a trail system

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that will run through county properties.

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Certainly we're going to start with the YMCA property within

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that forested area,

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but as a part of that project, we're going to expand that

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walking trail to include all of the county properties

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and the Board of ed property.

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And while the annexation project has been approved,

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and as that project comes to fruition, being mindful

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of connectivity between that new development

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and hopefully connecting

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with the town's Millstream Trail Mill Street Trail.

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So that is a project that Rob Gunter

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and Doug Summers have been managing

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and then expanding that management

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to include other agencies when

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the trail system was added to the project.

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So that is one of the best case scenarios

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for implementing our forest conservation fee and lie dollars

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because it really will serve the, the community.

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So I don't know when we're going to start that.

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We are going To attempt to have trees in the ground

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before or by December.

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They gotta get at least the base of the trail in.

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So that trail work doesn't destroy trees

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that we just put in the ground

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and then we have to replant them.

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That timeline's pretty tight, but we're

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Moving forward.

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Who's doing the construction

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Parks is gonna hire somebody out?

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I'm not sure. Okay.

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No, but they're managing that,

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that portion of the project. They

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Better get started pretty quick.

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Yeah, they're gonna put it out.

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It's been a very fast turnaround.

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Barrel's doing a great job.

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I appreciate the help that parks has given us,

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but it's, it's a very tight timeline.

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Good. So, excuse me,

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Are these trails going through neighboring farms?

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No. Okay. Yeah, they're all on public land. Okay. Yeah.

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Thanks. Now, once, once the Ann, once the

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Providence farm development occurs, it will connect

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with private lands,

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but that should be within the area that has been zoned t

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and d traditional neighborhood.

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Yeah. That should be within the town's residential

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and commercial district.

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Got it. A couple of other, we're,

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we're sitting on a lot of task forces,

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so I thought I'd let you know about them.

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We're currently participating in the Marlin Farm Dominion

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Task Force, which is working on the project that

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water and wastewater is managing to bring Marlin Farm

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and Dominion into the wastewater,

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the comprehensive water and sewer plan.

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That amendment was just approved to re-designate

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the Marlin Farm Dominion area to future service

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as we're looking to take those parcels

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with failing septic systems offline

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and bring them into the county's sewer system.

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So that task force continues to meet,

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to evaluate that project. We're also, is there

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A timeline on that?

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It is. It is happening now.

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I mean, just because they're looking to, well,

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They're meeting now.

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They're meeting now, but they're also taking definitive

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action by amending the wastewater, the water

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and sewer plan.

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So the feasibility study is

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what will be the next step.

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So it will be not fast tracked,

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but cont a priority project moving forward.

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So should be happening

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pretty expeditiously.

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Amy, is that already built into our sewer allocation

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that we have capacity?

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It is hooking up failing septic systems in

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Southern Kent Island and Dominion

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and Marlin Farm has long been identified in the plan

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and also in the sewer allocation policy

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where all the allocations are outlined.

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Which treatment plant will take that effluent?

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It's the, the Kent Island wastewater treatment plant.

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Okay. Down Route eight. That down Route eight up, yes.

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Terrapin Park. Yeah. By the high school.

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That's the only wastewater treatment plant

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that the county Okay.

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Operates. Yeah. That's our growth area. Yep.

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Like, and one more thing, Amy, do you, do we know,

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do you know if that's to be constructed in similar fashion

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to the Southern can island extension with the step

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septic tank effluent pumping rather

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than a dedicated hard line? Do we know?

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I think that is what is being discussed

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Still being on.

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Okay, fantastic. Thank you.

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And in, in the same vein,

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I'll update you on the moratorium task force,

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which does continue to meet as a part

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of the county commissioner's resolution to

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evaluate the comp, the comprehensive water and sewer plan,

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but specifically the sewer allocation policy.

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Looking at how the county is going to designate the

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rerated flow of 300,000 gallons

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that is still currently being discussed.

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It is complicated and the task force is

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working hard to put the commissioners in the best possible

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position to make sure that there's equity

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and that those allocation pots are very clearly

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identified and that the process to apply for

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especially residential projects is just clearly

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identified and in a way that will maximize

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what is left of our capacity for the best projects.

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Additionally, there's one last task force

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that is being managed by the Department of Public Works,

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and that is the MIDSHORE three task force, which is

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the Queen Annes County Landfill.

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Talbot County has taken its turn,

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Caroline County has taken its turn

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and has extended its commitment

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and Queen Annes County is next.

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And then Kent County is the last

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in our MIDSHORE three re in our Midshore region.

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That task force is looking at the current site

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and potential alternate sites for

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the landfill in Queen Annes County.

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So they're talking about moving it from considering Okay,

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there's been, there was a lot of concern

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that should make a lot of people happy.

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And then a new neighborhood that's, I'm happy

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Depends on where plan B is.

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Pardon? Data center moratorium.

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Oh, I forgot about the Mor Moratorium. Yeah.

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There's also another moratorium

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that the county commissioners enacted

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and that is the data center moratorium

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to give staff a year to investigate

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and draft a text, a text amendment

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to address more data center development.

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Staff had already been working on this,

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but it is a, a very pressing planning issue.

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So we'll be working on that proposal

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and bringing it forward.

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Currently we are not preempted in terms

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of the sighting of data centers.

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So there's a great fear

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that the data centers may be cited in

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our agricultural district.

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And as of right now, clearly they're not permitted

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and there is not a preemptive process to cite a data center

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in our agricultural zoning district right now.

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We would consider them materially similar

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to warehousing uses,

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which would be permitted in our industrial areas.

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And that development would be limited to 65,000 square feet.

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So that is how our code currently addresses a data center.

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But having a materially similar use isn't as strong

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as a strong a position

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as having a very specific standard for a data center.

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So we have never had an application to date.

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If we did have an application,

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the standard I just cited would be the

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standard that would apply.

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Are we aware of anybody that's pondering submission?

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I, I haven't heard anything

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Unaware.

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Okay. We haven't been contacted, yeah. Yet.

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But it's good to get ahead of these things. Yes, it is.

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Be proactive rather than reactive.

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And the preemptive piece that you spoke about

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that's analogous to the solar

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and that would go through the Public Service commission

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or what body would manage

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That?

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No, this is not a public utility.

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It's just, I think there is concern that

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because of so many uses that we have seen in recent years

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where the state has taken a preemptive approach.

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Cannabis is a good example, that isn't a utility like solar.

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That has been a concern in a lot of jurisdictions

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that if we don't get specific standards on the books, that

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we could be going in that direction at a,

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So that would be done legislatively motion likely Correct.

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At the state level. Gotcha.

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And the last item that I have for you is,

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we have a conflict this year

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with the August Planning Commission meeting.

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It coincides with the Summer

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MACO conference and over

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MACO is the acronym For, oh, Maryland Association

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of County Governments.

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There's a fall and winter conference every year.

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This year we, half of our, over half

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of our staff planning staff will be attending

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the Mako Conference.

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So we are going to cancel our August meeting

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and let any applicants know who may be getting close

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to their 25 day submittal that

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we have some July potential for agenda items,

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but that anyone who's queuing up will be placed on the

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September agenda.

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So we have a vacation in August.

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Okay. Anything else? That's

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Everything.

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Thanks. Any questions? Okay.

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Let's go to public hearings

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concept plan for the ER material.

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Don't forget the annual report.

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Oh, I'm sorry. She picked it up.

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Wanted to make sure the annual report going. Good.

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I'll be pleased.

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Good morning, Mary Ellen Gray.

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Senior Planner, as you know, at this time, every year the

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Maryland Department of Planning requires an annual report be

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submitted regarding our activities, the goal

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regarding annual development, permitting

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and planning related activities taking

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place in Queen S County.

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Before I talk about some salient data points

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that in this report, I wanna thank specifically Doug Summers

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who did a lot of the number crunching for this report,

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as well as a lot of staff across Queen Anne County,

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IT finance, department of Environment, mental Services,

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parks and Rec, public Works

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housing, economic tourism.

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And Jeff Frank also from finance,

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supplied some new information that was

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per a new reporting requirement this year

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regarding the reporting of impact fees.

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This is a new requirement that the county,

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that the, the state required the per

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our, our Our

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we to.

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We administer a program for the development of impact fees

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for essential public services, including schools, parks

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and recreation and fire protection.

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So as a result, we need to report how we,

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how much we collect and how we implement

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and the amount of fees

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that are implemented.

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So regarding impact fees, the total amount

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of impact fees collected from both, both residential and non

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and non-residential.

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And 2025 was

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$1,876,367

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and 7 cents.

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And of that 46% or $864,340

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and 14 cents was in the priority funding area.

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The bulk of the impact fees collected were for schools

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which totaled $1,531,101 and 75 cents.

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The schools utilized $2 million,

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167,290 90,000

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of impact fee funds.

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And the fire districts utilized

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four hundred forty thousand eight hundred seventy seven thousand and twenty

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25.

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Moving on to residential, 808 out

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of 160 units

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or 68%

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of the total residential units approved were located within

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the priority funding area.

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The number of a lots approved within the major subdivisions

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have been relatively consistent since 2022.

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A total of three hundred seventy three hundred and seventeen

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residential units were constructed within

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with 233 located within the priority funding area.

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And 84 outside of the priority funding area

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of these units within the PFA 109 units were located in

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age restricted community.

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Moving on to commercial,

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commercial growth data showed an increase in the number

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of approved, approved commercial sites,

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site plans over the past couple years from total

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of four in the calendar year, 2023 to six in 2024,

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and then eight in 2025.

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However, the gross building area constructed has remained

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fairly steady since 2024,

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which had 770,739

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to 67,739.

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2025. And finally I'll conclude

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with agricultural preservation as of 2025,

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the county has permanently preserved 92,630 acres of land

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through various programs.

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So the planning staff recommends

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that the Planning Commission approve this report

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and request that staff send the 2025 Quin Anns County annual

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report to the Maryland Department of Planning

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and file a copy with the county commissioners.

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I will ask if anybody has any questions.

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No, ma'am. You sure gave us a lot of numbers. There's

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A lot of data.

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Thank you Mary Ellen. You're

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welcome. Any questions, recommendations?

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Yeah, I do have one. How many

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lots are available in the county? Do you know

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How many lots are available?

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There is, there's some charts in the, in this report

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I have to give back to you on that.

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I think we have the,

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there was a development capacity analysis

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to look in the appendix here

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About Appendix five.

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Appendix five, thank you. Yeah.

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16,000 2 97. Thank you.

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16,000 lots.

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Number, number of potential lots. Yes.

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Lot 16,297

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of potential lots.

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The potential lots for development.

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That's fine. Okay, fine.

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Do we have any statistics that tell us

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how many acres came out of agriculture in any given year

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Came out of agriculture?

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Not specifically.

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We, I, we could do a a, an analysis that of

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that looking at agriculture and break that down.

531
00:27:43,665 --> 00:27:46,885
We, I don't have that broken broken, we don't have

532
00:27:46,885 --> 00:27:48,805
that broken down specifically, but certainly we,

533
00:27:48,955 --> 00:27:51,405
It's more of a philosophical question than anything else,

534
00:27:51,625 --> 00:27:55,005
but something I'd personally be interested in. Sure.

535
00:27:55,005 --> 00:27:57,445
We, I, we could work with GIS on that, on

536
00:27:57,445 --> 00:27:58,885
that, on that data point. Yeah.

537
00:27:59,015 --> 00:28:01,245
Thank you. You're welcome. Yes ma'am.

538
00:28:01,965 --> 00:28:04,165
I would, we can sort of bring

539
00:28:04,165 --> 00:28:07,645
that information if you look at the development tables Yeah.

540
00:28:07,905 --> 00:28:11,885
For priority funding area versus non-priority funding area.

541
00:28:12,155 --> 00:28:14,725
Yeah. If it's a non-priority funding area,

542
00:28:14,875 --> 00:28:15,965
it's likely that it's

543
00:28:15,965 --> 00:28:17,565
Likely in agriculture. Yeah,

544
00:28:17,635 --> 00:28:18,405
Fair point. Yeah.

545
00:28:18,595 --> 00:28:23,565
Okay. So the 16,000 lots on

546
00:28:23,565 --> 00:28:25,765
the back, that, that's not approved lots

547
00:28:26,065 --> 00:28:29,045
or is that, is that a calculated amount based on the farms

548
00:28:29,045 --> 00:28:33,165
seven acres per parcel if the maximum, I guess.

549
00:28:33,435 --> 00:28:35,405
Correct. These are, these are lots

550
00:28:35,405 --> 00:28:37,125
that are available for development, right?

551
00:28:37,195 --> 00:28:39,605
They are, they are approved. They are approved. And

552
00:28:39,655 --> 00:28:43,085
These are, these are pot, these No, these are potential,

553
00:28:43,095 --> 00:28:47,045
these are lots that on appendix five, these are lots

554
00:28:47,045 --> 00:28:49,005
that are available for development.

555
00:28:49,005 --> 00:28:50,965
They have not been approved for development. Do

556
00:28:50,965 --> 00:28:52,365
They have their SRAs already?

557
00:28:53,005 --> 00:28:55,725
I mean I assume how many of them are, are

558
00:28:56,585 --> 00:28:59,405
to Ben's point on agricultural land farmland?

559
00:29:00,025 --> 00:29:02,885
So Them are in the pfas.

560
00:29:03,475 --> 00:29:07,325
Okay. So we looking at this chart, so they,

561
00:29:07,585 --> 00:29:10,245
we do have a broken down on which ones are pfas.

562
00:29:10,325 --> 00:29:15,165
I don't have that total. We don't have a broken down.

563
00:29:16,325 --> 00:29:17,805
I would have to total that out.

564
00:29:17,815 --> 00:29:20,365
Which, how many lots are in pfas?

565
00:29:20,385 --> 00:29:24,445
Let, let's look, look at the, hold on, on

566
00:29:25,425 --> 00:29:26,605
the chart.

567
00:29:29,315 --> 00:29:32,365
Okay, on page five,

568
00:29:37,385 --> 00:29:41,725
within pfas we have residential zoned acres with capacity.

569
00:29:42,385 --> 00:29:47,045
We have in, in the PFA 730 lots

570
00:29:47,465 --> 00:29:50,525
and residential parcel and lots with capacity.

571
00:29:52,765 --> 00:29:57,345
And in the PFA 545 inside

572
00:29:57,345 --> 00:29:58,425
and outside the PFA,

573
00:30:03,205 --> 00:30:05,345
oh, I'm getting a assistance from Stephanie.

574
00:30:05,395 --> 00:30:06,705
Sorry, because she has, she has more,

575
00:30:08,625 --> 00:30:10,145
I just wanna add a detail experience with that.

576
00:30:10,145 --> 00:30:12,865
Yeah, yeah. Detail about the development capacity analysis.

577
00:30:12,865 --> 00:30:17,345
Yeah. So this is analysis that is run by GIS by any means.

578
00:30:17,345 --> 00:30:18,705
It's not survey grade.

579
00:30:19,125 --> 00:30:22,505
It doesn't look in the details of, you know exactly

580
00:30:22,675 --> 00:30:23,865
where wetlands are.

581
00:30:24,085 --> 00:30:27,025
So it's not taking a fair point survey grade

582
00:30:27,025 --> 00:30:29,785
of the entire county in addressing

583
00:30:29,785 --> 00:30:31,105
how many lots can be created.

584
00:30:31,765 --> 00:30:35,025
So it's the best available technology

585
00:30:35,025 --> 00:30:39,025
that the GIS department has to understand potentially

586
00:30:39,045 --> 00:30:40,665
how many lots could be available

587
00:30:41,365 --> 00:30:42,585
to the best of their ability.

588
00:30:43,165 --> 00:30:45,505
So really it's not the number of lots

589
00:30:45,505 --> 00:30:46,825
that have been created, right.

590
00:30:47,055 --> 00:30:48,625
It's potential. Right.

591
00:30:48,685 --> 00:30:52,385
But definitely not to anything that has been done looked at

592
00:30:53,125 --> 00:30:54,185
for a subdivision.

593
00:30:54,925 --> 00:30:56,585
So let's add that

594
00:30:56,925 --> 00:30:57,925
Detail, right?

595
00:30:58,055 --> 00:31:01,865
Yeah, it's a, it's a development capacity, right?

596
00:31:01,865 --> 00:31:04,625
It's, it's what could potentially be, yeah,

597
00:31:05,245 --> 00:31:06,905
But By all means is the timeframe.

598
00:31:07,225 --> 00:31:09,145
I mean certainly so capacity would limit

599
00:31:09,455 --> 00:31:10,455
Development.

600
00:31:10,455 --> 00:31:12,585
So those things, things like that aren't looked at

601
00:31:12,615 --> 00:31:15,745
because I mean those things can't be baked into the

602
00:31:15,785 --> 00:31:16,825
GIS analysis.

603
00:31:16,825 --> 00:31:19,625
Right. And I think there's an explanation in here that says,

604
00:31:19,845 --> 00:31:21,785
you know, this is the best of ability

605
00:31:22,135 --> 00:31:23,745
that analysis could be done.

606
00:31:24,495 --> 00:31:27,185
It's not by any means exact,

607
00:31:27,855 --> 00:31:29,945
Well, I guess the concern I would voice is

608
00:31:29,945 --> 00:31:33,745
that you show 16,000, you know lots And for people

609
00:31:33,745 --> 00:31:35,105
that don't wanna see a great deal

610
00:31:35,105 --> 00:31:38,025
of growth at one point in time, that's a scary number.

611
00:31:38,285 --> 00:31:39,825
Yes. I, I realize that

612
00:31:39,965 --> 00:31:41,865
And without a qualifier to say

613
00:31:42,405 --> 00:31:44,665
no this isn't coming online next week.

614
00:31:45,075 --> 00:31:47,385
Right. No, and it's not. They're not Right.

615
00:31:47,785 --> 00:31:49,345
Proposals haven't been received. It's not

616
00:31:49,345 --> 00:31:51,745
that we've taken those applications

617
00:31:51,805 --> 00:31:54,745
or anything, it's just an analysis that has been run.

618
00:31:56,325 --> 00:31:59,065
The JIS, they're required to do it every three years.

619
00:31:59,885 --> 00:32:02,305
That's what's required of the annual report.

620
00:32:02,965 --> 00:32:05,785
So it's a number that has to be run at that point

621
00:32:06,365 --> 00:32:08,585
In the 2010 comp plan,

622
00:32:08,945 --> 00:32:13,145
I think there was a development capacity analysis run with

623
00:32:13,415 --> 00:32:14,905
that comp plan

624
00:32:15,285 --> 00:32:19,825
and then we tried to use the same as much as we could get

625
00:32:19,825 --> 00:32:22,265
as close as we could get that same analysis.

626
00:32:22,335 --> 00:32:24,385
Yeah. That they had used in 2010. 10. What was the number

627
00:32:24,385 --> 00:32:24,825
Back then? Do

628
00:32:24,825 --> 00:32:25,825
You know?

629
00:32:25,825 --> 00:32:27,905
I don't know. I do not have it on. Okay.

630
00:32:28,325 --> 00:32:31,105
But I can look it up. You just did. Okay.

631
00:32:32,765 --> 00:32:35,065
So the reason I asked the question was

632
00:32:35,065 --> 00:32:36,705
because according to your numbers,

633
00:32:37,805 --> 00:32:39,500
and I'm gonna oversimplify this

634
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:41,525
and then, you know, hopefully you'll understand that,

635
00:32:41,985 --> 00:32:45,365
but your lots constructed are outpacing your

636
00:32:45,435 --> 00:32:46,845
lots approved by about 70.

637
00:32:47,695 --> 00:32:50,885
Right? So at some point on a over simplistic view,

638
00:32:51,735 --> 00:32:53,205
those two numbers are gonna converge

639
00:32:53,205 --> 00:32:56,605
where there's no lots available, that'll never happen

640
00:32:57,405 --> 00:32:59,765
because the market will change the value lot.

641
00:32:59,825 --> 00:33:03,085
The value of the lots will go up exponentially if need be.

642
00:33:03,545 --> 00:33:06,685
And, and there'll be more lots that come online.

643
00:33:07,625 --> 00:33:10,085
But the reason I ask this, I just read an article

644
00:33:10,465 --> 00:33:12,485
and I say the other day, I'm saying it use

645
00:33:12,485 --> 00:33:16,005
that term loosely, that the average home price in this

646
00:33:16,005 --> 00:33:18,285
county is like over half a million dollars.

647
00:33:18,385 --> 00:33:21,325
Now, now I dunno about you guys.

648
00:33:21,605 --> 00:33:23,365
I have children, I have grandchildren.

649
00:33:23,465 --> 00:33:25,925
Now we, luckily we have a farmer, children are on farms,

650
00:33:26,585 --> 00:33:31,125
but the average person, their kids are gonna leave here.

651
00:33:32,185 --> 00:33:37,015
And is this county looking at that to say, do we want

652
00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:38,375
to make everybody that already

653
00:33:39,355 --> 00:33:42,575
has a home wealthier 'cause their home goes up?

654
00:33:42,575 --> 00:33:44,895
Or do we want to try to make a place where it's affordable

655
00:33:44,895 --> 00:33:46,935
for many, including their children?

656
00:33:50,405 --> 00:33:51,375
Yeah, I could, I there

657
00:33:51,435 --> 00:33:52,575
Is that question ever been asked?

658
00:33:54,115 --> 00:33:57,735
Yes. The state really also has been asking

659
00:33:57,765 --> 00:34:01,255
that question more of on a statewide level, not not just

660
00:34:01,985 --> 00:34:03,175
Queen Anne specific.

661
00:34:04,475 --> 00:34:08,175
So it is something that is contemplated or

662
00:34:08,405 --> 00:34:11,855
Yeah, but I don't know that their ideals mesh with mine.

663
00:34:13,085 --> 00:34:14,495
What, which, where are they leaning?

664
00:34:14,715 --> 00:34:17,215
Are they trying to find to make housing more affordable?

665
00:34:17,515 --> 00:34:20,015
Are we to become California? You know,

666
00:34:20,825 --> 00:34:21,825
Agree.

667
00:34:21,825 --> 00:34:24,215
No, I mean, I mean the state, but

668
00:34:24,215 --> 00:34:25,015
You know where I'm Coming from,

669
00:34:25,345 --> 00:34:26,615
right? What I'm saying? Right.

670
00:34:27,035 --> 00:34:28,295
And the county obviously,

671
00:34:28,895 --> 00:34:31,535
I think in the comp plan we talk about looking at density

672
00:34:32,635 --> 00:34:34,895
and essentially size of lots.

673
00:34:35,635 --> 00:34:37,575
So that's gonna change your affordability

674
00:34:37,605 --> 00:34:39,095
essentially of a lot.

675
00:34:39,795 --> 00:34:41,335
So there are things in the comp plan

676
00:34:41,335 --> 00:34:43,615
that have been designated to look at affordability

677
00:34:45,355 --> 00:34:46,355
Of property.

678
00:34:46,355 --> 00:34:48,895
Well not discounting arts comment about the 16,000 lots.

679
00:34:48,895 --> 00:34:51,335
And that's scaring people. One way to lower the price

680
00:34:51,435 --> 00:34:53,255
of real estate is to increase the volume,

681
00:34:53,535 --> 00:34:56,575
increase the amount available, right, the supply. Right.

682
00:34:56,895 --> 00:34:58,775
That's Okay. Yep.

683
00:35:00,125 --> 00:35:02,455
Nope. The, the housing chapter and the but

684
00:35:02,455 --> 00:35:03,735
Don't touch the farms. Correct?

685
00:35:04,215 --> 00:35:06,415
I never said that. Never said that.

686
00:35:06,875 --> 00:35:10,935
Ask the farmer first though. Okay. It's up to the farmer.

687
00:35:14,785 --> 00:35:16,095
We're not mandating that they,

688
00:35:16,165 --> 00:35:18,015
they develop never have never.

689
00:35:18,115 --> 00:35:20,975
And I've never promoted that for certain. Okay.

690
00:35:24,685 --> 00:35:29,055
Okay. That it? Yes ma'am. Alright, anything else?

691
00:35:30,755 --> 00:35:32,415
Any other questions? Madam

692
00:35:32,415 --> 00:35:34,695
Chair, I would like to take staff's recommendation

693
00:35:34,695 --> 00:35:36,935
that the planning center, planning center planning,

694
00:35:37,365 --> 00:35:39,245
having reviewed now approve

695
00:35:39,245 --> 00:35:41,685
and request that the staff send the 2025 Queens County

696
00:35:41,685 --> 00:35:44,045
annual report to the Maryland Department of Planning

697
00:35:44,045 --> 00:35:45,805
and file a copy with county commissioners.

698
00:35:47,185 --> 00:35:50,965
Second, second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

699
00:35:51,995 --> 00:35:54,085
Okay, second. Thank you Job

700
00:35:54,285 --> 00:35:55,285
Ll Thank you.

701
00:35:55,455 --> 00:35:56,925
We're gonna take a five minute break.

702
00:36:05,475 --> 00:36:09,345
Let's get back to session. Okay.

703
00:36:10,855 --> 00:36:15,585
Okay. Concept plan, Byler materials.

704
00:36:17,675 --> 00:36:20,025
Madam chair, I wanna first note for the record

705
00:36:20,095 --> 00:36:23,745
that notice containing the necessary info information

706
00:36:23,745 --> 00:36:25,025
regarding the application

707
00:36:25,325 --> 00:36:28,425
and notice of the public hearing was advertised in the Bay

708
00:36:28,425 --> 00:36:31,985
Times record observer on May 29th and June 5th.

709
00:36:32,005 --> 00:36:33,425
And it was posted on the website

710
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:38,105
and notice of such is within the application file. Okay,

711
00:36:38,395 --> 00:36:39,395
Thank you.

712
00:36:40,015 --> 00:36:44,545
This may do we usually have a Yeah, I know.

713
00:36:44,655 --> 00:36:46,905
Well who's, who's presenting today? I am

714
00:36:48,735 --> 00:36:50,065
Steve's, Steve's outta the office.

715
00:36:50,165 --> 00:36:51,785
So I'm, I'm the pinch hitter today.

716
00:36:52,045 --> 00:36:55,745
Oh, okay. Good morning everybody.

717
00:36:55,885 --> 00:36:58,345
Rob Gunter Development Review Principle Planner.

718
00:36:59,405 --> 00:37:01,305
As mentioned, we have the folks from

719
00:37:01,305 --> 00:37:02,825
Byler Materials here this morning.

720
00:37:04,015 --> 00:37:07,825
They are proposing a 215.5 acre expansion

721
00:37:08,565 --> 00:37:11,625
of the existing Merrick Farm major extraction operation.

722
00:37:12,055 --> 00:37:15,785
This will be phase five of their project this morning.

723
00:37:15,815 --> 00:37:18,025
They are requesting concept plan approval

724
00:37:18,085 --> 00:37:20,425
and a favorable recommendation to the board of appeals.

725
00:37:23,085 --> 00:37:26,785
The project is located on the eastern side of the county in

726
00:37:26,785 --> 00:37:31,425
between Ingleside and Barclay outlined in black.

727
00:37:31,565 --> 00:37:36,545
You can see the 348 acre parcel is located at the corner of

728
00:37:37,235 --> 00:37:39,305
three 13 and Merrick Corner Road

729
00:37:40,695 --> 00:37:42,345
back in May of 26th.

730
00:37:42,565 --> 00:37:46,385
The zoning department did their annual inspection

731
00:37:46,445 --> 00:37:47,545
of the site and at

732
00:37:47,545 --> 00:37:49,705
that time it was determined, sorry about that.

733
00:37:50,915 --> 00:37:52,465
Everything was in compliance.

734
00:37:56,365 --> 00:37:59,785
The property resides in the agricultural zoning district

735
00:38:00,085 --> 00:38:03,505
and major extractions are conditional use in that district

736
00:38:03,505 --> 00:38:06,785
and require approval from the board of appeals.

737
00:38:09,465 --> 00:38:11,925
The phase five LOD limits

738
00:38:11,985 --> 00:38:16,685
of disturbance includes 215 acres of mining expansion area.

739
00:38:17,045 --> 00:38:19,325
That area is shown in the red dash line.

740
00:38:20,705 --> 00:38:24,325
It also includes 3.88 acres of road improvements

741
00:38:24,975 --> 00:38:26,285
along Merrick Corner Road.

742
00:38:26,905 --> 00:38:28,965
And that area is generally shown

743
00:38:29,025 --> 00:38:31,445
by the yellow dash line at the top.

744
00:38:32,185 --> 00:38:35,165
The yellow circle on the map is the approximate location

745
00:38:35,305 --> 00:38:37,045
of the existing site entrance

746
00:38:37,705 --> 00:38:39,205
and that entrance will remain

747
00:38:40,195 --> 00:38:43,645
with the future expansions if approved.

748
00:38:43,745 --> 00:38:45,485
The overall LED for the project

749
00:38:46,215 --> 00:38:50,005
would be 339 acres in total.

750
00:38:50,065 --> 00:38:52,525
So that would include this phase In all previous phases

751
00:38:54,865 --> 00:38:58,125
the project is proposing no new impr impervious area

752
00:38:58,265 --> 00:39:03,085
and no new floor area complies with the mining setbacks.

753
00:39:03,105 --> 00:39:05,885
And phase five will also comply with those setbacks.

754
00:39:06,355 --> 00:39:08,285
It's currently served by well and septic

755
00:39:08,285 --> 00:39:12,965
and will continue to be on average a hundred trucks a day,

756
00:39:13,485 --> 00:39:16,085
visit the site or truck trips a day, visit the site.

757
00:39:16,725 --> 00:39:19,645
That's to remain the same even with the expansion area.

758
00:39:20,455 --> 00:39:24,285
Those trucks remove approximately 343,000 cubic yards

759
00:39:24,285 --> 00:39:25,325
of material per year.

760
00:39:26,985 --> 00:39:30,805
The estimated lifespan of the project is just over 49 years

761
00:39:31,785 --> 00:39:34,085
and 17 million cubic yards

762
00:39:34,085 --> 00:39:36,805
of material will be removed.

763
00:39:39,625 --> 00:39:41,445
Excuse me, at the conclusion of the project,

764
00:39:41,665 --> 00:39:44,565
the depth will vary between 67 and 70 feet.

765
00:39:47,475 --> 00:39:49,385
Phase five proposes landscaping

766
00:39:49,505 --> 00:39:52,145
and berms around the entire expansion area,

767
00:39:52,795 --> 00:39:55,265
which will meet up with existing landscaping and bi.

768
00:39:55,995 --> 00:39:59,065
Those berms will be 62 feet wide and 10 feet tall

769
00:39:59,365 --> 00:40:02,145
and they'll be planted with two rows of evergreens

770
00:40:02,695 --> 00:40:05,185
that will be six to eight feet tall at the time of planting.

771
00:40:08,365 --> 00:40:11,145
The site's not located within the Chesapeake Bay critical

772
00:40:11,145 --> 00:40:13,025
area or the a hundred year floodplain.

773
00:40:13,635 --> 00:40:16,305
There are no erosion hazards, streams, wetlands,

774
00:40:16,305 --> 00:40:18,265
or threatened endangered species on site.

775
00:40:19,325 --> 00:40:22,505
The southern portion of the site does have 39.6

776
00:40:22,515 --> 00:40:23,545
acres of woodlands.

777
00:40:24,465 --> 00:40:26,785
Department of Natural Resources has indicated that

778
00:40:27,295 --> 00:40:29,745
this area contains fizz habitat mainly

779
00:40:29,805 --> 00:40:31,705
for nesting nesting birds

780
00:40:33,555 --> 00:40:35,865
shown in green dashed outline on the map.

781
00:40:36,015 --> 00:40:40,345
This project phase five does propose just over 32 acres

782
00:40:40,845 --> 00:40:42,545
of woodland clearing just

783
00:40:42,545 --> 00:40:44,425
above the green in the white dash line

784
00:40:44,445 --> 00:40:48,465
or previously approved clearing with earlier phasing.

785
00:40:50,055 --> 00:40:52,345
This project, just like all major extractions,

786
00:40:52,485 --> 00:40:55,225
are exempt from the regulations established

787
00:40:55,225 --> 00:40:56,825
by the Forest Conservation Act.

788
00:40:58,145 --> 00:41:00,345
There is a tax ditch that runs through this property

789
00:41:00,915 --> 00:41:04,665
shown in the solid blue line bisects roughly the middle.

790
00:41:05,855 --> 00:41:07,905
That tax ditch will be relocated

791
00:41:08,165 --> 00:41:10,625
to the area shown on the blue dash line.

792
00:41:11,525 --> 00:41:14,585
The Caroline County Soil Conservation District manages these

793
00:41:14,645 --> 00:41:17,585
tax ditches and they have reviewed this project

794
00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:20,505
and approved it with three minor conditions.

795
00:41:20,505 --> 00:41:22,425
Those are outlined in your staff report.

796
00:41:24,965 --> 00:41:27,735
There's no proposed changes to the hours of operation.

797
00:41:28,675 --> 00:41:32,295
The applicant did submit a sound study completed by vibrate.

798
00:41:33,275 --> 00:41:34,485
That study concluded

799
00:41:34,485 --> 00:41:37,285
that the noise will not exceed residential, nighttime

800
00:41:37,665 --> 00:41:39,685
or daytime limits at the property line.

801
00:41:40,445 --> 00:41:42,165
Provided that the standoff distances

802
00:41:42,965 --> 00:41:44,485
outlined in the report are met.

803
00:41:47,545 --> 00:41:50,125
Trucks will continue to use the existing haul route,

804
00:41:50,125 --> 00:41:53,445
which is Merrick Corner Road to Maryland three 13.

805
00:41:54,685 --> 00:41:56,845
I mentioned the road improvements to Merrick Corner Road.

806
00:41:56,845 --> 00:42:01,485
There are approximately 3,350 linear feet

807
00:42:01,485 --> 00:42:04,525
of improvements and they will start at the intersection

808
00:42:04,525 --> 00:42:07,965
of three 13 and move east along Merrick Corner Road.

809
00:42:08,715 --> 00:42:10,885
They'll include some widening, res striping

810
00:42:10,985 --> 00:42:12,005
and some shoulder work.

811
00:42:14,625 --> 00:42:16,165
At the conclusion of the project,

812
00:42:16,525 --> 00:42:18,925
there'll be a 259 acre pond

813
00:42:19,505 --> 00:42:22,885
and a location for a future house that's a little bit

814
00:42:22,885 --> 00:42:25,485
of pasture area or tillable area for the resident.

815
00:42:27,065 --> 00:42:30,005
And with that I have a colleague Eric Miller from the

816
00:42:30,005 --> 00:42:31,965
Department of Public Works here

817
00:42:32,585 --> 00:42:34,765
and he can elaborate a little bit on the road.

818
00:42:34,765 --> 00:42:38,325
Improvements that have been done are proposed currently

819
00:42:38,785 --> 00:42:41,285
and he can answer any stormwater questions if you have any.

820
00:42:41,945 --> 00:42:44,485
So with that, this is Eric this

821
00:42:45,595 --> 00:42:46,595
Good morning.

822
00:42:46,595 --> 00:42:47,205
Eric Miller, department

823
00:42:47,285 --> 00:42:48,925
of Public Works. Can everyone hear me all right?

824
00:42:49,585 --> 00:42:52,805
Yep. So Robin asked me here today, we had,

825
00:42:53,585 --> 00:42:55,085
I'm gonna segue slightly,

826
00:42:55,145 --> 00:42:57,245
but in our comment memo there was an item Can you,

827
00:42:57,265 --> 00:42:58,285
can you speak up a little?

828
00:42:58,765 --> 00:43:02,405
I can. Is this better? Yes. There you go. Maybe there.

829
00:43:02,405 --> 00:43:04,125
There you go. That's better. All right,

830
00:43:04,705 --> 00:43:06,045
so I'm gonna segue a little.

831
00:43:06,335 --> 00:43:10,325
There is in the most recent DPW comment memo,

832
00:43:10,645 --> 00:43:13,005
a line item indicating a public works agreement.

833
00:43:13,345 --> 00:43:15,925
The Department of Public Works is still in the process

834
00:43:16,065 --> 00:43:17,205
of coordinating with the

835
00:43:17,205 --> 00:43:18,605
applicant the terms of the agreement.

836
00:43:19,845 --> 00:43:21,645
We were contacted the department yesterday

837
00:43:21,645 --> 00:43:24,605
that the applicant did not agree with the terms.

838
00:43:24,785 --> 00:43:26,525
And so as such, we just wanted to bring

839
00:43:26,525 --> 00:43:27,605
that to the board's attention.

840
00:43:27,825 --> 00:43:32,765
Now that we would like to, when Rob gives his final summary,

841
00:43:33,265 --> 00:43:38,205
add a condition that we, the DPW Department of Public Works

842
00:43:38,465 --> 00:43:39,685
and the applicant by

843
00:43:39,685 --> 00:43:42,965
or mind agree to the terms of the public works agreement

844
00:43:43,735 --> 00:43:46,855
prior to the applicant submitting an

845
00:43:46,855 --> 00:43:48,055
application for Board of Appeals.

846
00:43:48,365 --> 00:43:49,615
What did they disagree with?

847
00:43:49,995 --> 00:43:52,295
So what we're disagreeing over is money.

848
00:43:52,875 --> 00:43:55,855
Now we have this, mine has been in operation

849
00:43:55,855 --> 00:43:56,935
for approximately 20 years

850
00:43:56,995 --> 00:43:59,015
and we're looking at, I'm speaking in round numbers,

851
00:43:59,255 --> 00:44:01,215
I can be more specific at your request.

852
00:44:01,975 --> 00:44:03,255
A 50 year lifespan.

853
00:44:03,315 --> 00:44:05,295
So the department is looking at projecting,

854
00:44:05,795 --> 00:44:09,135
as Rob pointed out, it'll their time to mine out.

855
00:44:09,135 --> 00:44:10,495
This property will take 50 years.

856
00:44:11,075 --> 00:44:12,455
So we're looking at 50 years

857
00:44:12,475 --> 00:44:14,655
of road maintenance built into an agreement

858
00:44:14,655 --> 00:44:16,975
that we're deciding upon today as part of this application.

859
00:44:17,795 --> 00:44:19,335
Now I'd like to be perfectly clear,

860
00:44:19,395 --> 00:44:20,815
we are not in opposition to this.

861
00:44:21,115 --> 00:44:25,125
We are just not prepared to give a favorable recommendation

862
00:44:25,125 --> 00:44:28,445
because we haven't come to terms with the applicant.

863
00:44:28,945 --> 00:44:30,125
So what we're trying

864
00:44:30,125 --> 00:44:33,325
to do is project based upon our last 20 years of experience,

865
00:44:34,205 --> 00:44:36,165
a 50 year lifecycle for this road.

866
00:44:36,625 --> 00:44:39,285
Now they are providing, as part of their application,

867
00:44:39,285 --> 00:44:40,565
substantial road improvements

868
00:44:40,565 --> 00:44:44,045
and upgrades as Rob identified in his report,

869
00:44:45,025 --> 00:44:46,765
we are simply trying to plan for the next 50.

870
00:44:48,095 --> 00:44:52,435
Now what we are proposing is an identical agreement

871
00:44:52,695 --> 00:44:56,475
to a neighboring mine, which is Bridgetown Stone

872
00:44:56,475 --> 00:45:00,915
and Gravel, which assesses a 12 cent per ton royalty.

873
00:45:00,975 --> 00:45:04,915
And that money will go to the cost of road maintenance.

874
00:45:06,615 --> 00:45:10,435
What's adequate to, well on their projection,

875
00:45:11,285 --> 00:45:12,395
their projected numbers

876
00:45:12,845 --> 00:45:14,035
Using their projected numbers.

877
00:45:14,665 --> 00:45:15,955
When you get 12 cents,

878
00:45:16,735 --> 00:45:19,595
and again we are using some approximate math here,

879
00:45:19,595 --> 00:45:23,235
but we're looking at roughly $62,000 a year.

880
00:45:24,355 --> 00:45:29,135
So if you compare that to the current maintenance are,

881
00:45:29,295 --> 00:45:31,575
I should say road upgrades that are being performed,

882
00:45:32,405 --> 00:45:35,775
that is a project that is costing, I believe the estimate.

883
00:45:36,075 --> 00:45:38,095
And there are representatives from Lane Engineering here

884
00:45:38,095 --> 00:45:41,375
who can correct me is $845,000

885
00:45:42,235 --> 00:45:43,935
or as Jonathan

886
00:45:43,935 --> 00:45:46,415
and I were speaking yesterday when he contacted me. How

887
00:45:46,595 --> 00:45:50,935
How long is that $840,000 rejected to last?

888
00:45:51,365 --> 00:45:52,855
Well, and that's what I'm getting to.

889
00:45:53,355 --> 00:45:57,935
So if you look at the 60,000 that we are assessing per year,

890
00:45:58,475 --> 00:46:03,305
and we look at this cost now it'll take roughly 16

891
00:46:03,445 --> 00:46:06,345
and a half years and that's using a round number

892
00:46:06,345 --> 00:46:09,665
of a million dollars because that was an estimate.

893
00:46:09,925 --> 00:46:11,465
We don't actually know the cost

894
00:46:11,465 --> 00:46:12,985
of construction until it's built.

895
00:46:13,245 --> 00:46:16,425
So using a round number of a million with the 61,000,

896
00:46:16,425 --> 00:46:19,385
which is based upon what they're on their plan, identifying

897
00:46:19,385 --> 00:46:20,465
as removal 16

898
00:46:20,465 --> 00:46:24,425
and a half years is how long it would take to get to

899
00:46:24,505 --> 00:46:25,505
that sum of money again.

900
00:46:26,125 --> 00:46:28,505
But the trucks are the trucks. Okay.

901
00:46:28,575 --> 00:46:32,025
What is your span for that type of road with all

902
00:46:32,025 --> 00:46:33,265
that truck truck traffic?

903
00:46:33,415 --> 00:46:36,565
Exactly. So what we're hoping is that

904
00:46:36,565 --> 00:46:38,525
because essentially we're trying to predict the future here

905
00:46:38,795 --> 00:46:39,965
with the widening of the road

906
00:46:40,145 --> 00:46:41,485
and the reinforcement of the road,

907
00:46:41,635 --> 00:46:44,725
that the $60,000 a year will be sufficient

908
00:46:44,785 --> 00:46:47,765
to perform annual maintenance or maintenance on demand.

909
00:46:47,765 --> 00:46:49,245
That is not the department's intent

910
00:46:49,305 --> 00:46:52,125
to have major road rehabilitations when it becomes

911
00:46:53,045 --> 00:46:54,365
sufficiently damaged to require it,

912
00:46:54,465 --> 00:46:56,605
but simply to perform routine maintenance.

913
00:46:57,545 --> 00:47:01,005
So we are not anticipating letting the road degrade

914
00:47:01,065 --> 00:47:02,485
to such a condition that it's in.

915
00:47:02,545 --> 00:47:05,605
Now again, we'd like to avoid that, we'd like to be able

916
00:47:05,605 --> 00:47:06,885
to maintain it as necessary.

917
00:47:06,885 --> 00:47:07,885
The last time it was upgraded,

918
00:47:09,215 --> 00:47:10,935
I believe 2014.

919
00:47:11,035 --> 00:47:14,335
Now when you say upgrade, I don't mean to split hair, it's

920
00:47:14,335 --> 00:47:15,335
Only like 12 years.

921
00:47:15,335 --> 00:47:19,295
Correct. And you're talking that the 60,000 will take you

922
00:47:19,295 --> 00:47:20,815
to 16 years.

923
00:47:21,265 --> 00:47:23,655
Right. So what I'm doing is comparing that amount,

924
00:47:25,385 --> 00:47:27,905
I mean you haven't maintained it the last 12

925
00:47:30,005 --> 00:47:31,805
I thought we were comparing major renovation

926
00:47:31,825 --> 00:47:33,085
to major renovation, right.

927
00:47:33,105 --> 00:47:35,445
So the last major renovation was 12 years ago.

928
00:47:35,465 --> 00:47:37,405
As I understand it right now they're going

929
00:47:37,405 --> 00:47:39,085
to perform a current major renovation.

930
00:47:39,495 --> 00:47:41,925
We're looking to avoid the major renovations

931
00:47:42,265 --> 00:47:44,285
and fund continuous maintenance.

932
00:47:45,215 --> 00:47:47,395
So you haven't done the continuous maintenance

933
00:47:47,425 --> 00:47:48,435
over the last 12?

934
00:47:48,775 --> 00:47:52,065
No, we do. I understand what you're asking.

935
00:47:52,095 --> 00:47:54,385
Unfortunately I don't have those numbers in front of me

936
00:47:54,385 --> 00:47:57,025
because this issue was raised yesterday by the applicant.

937
00:47:57,165 --> 00:47:59,545
So hence why we are not prepared to give

938
00:47:59,545 --> 00:48:00,625
that recommendation.

939
00:48:00,685 --> 00:48:02,905
Now I need to go back, do the research,

940
00:48:02,975 --> 00:48:04,985
look at the numbers you're asking for, see

941
00:48:04,985 --> 00:48:06,625
how much we spent per year

942
00:48:06,685 --> 00:48:09,425
and then look into all these other things we had hoped the

943
00:48:09,425 --> 00:48:12,705
department we that using an agreement identical

944
00:48:12,765 --> 00:48:16,345
to a neighboring mine would be, you know, applicable

945
00:48:16,345 --> 00:48:17,545
to use a pithy term.

946
00:48:17,565 --> 00:48:19,905
Apples to apples. Mine to mind, we use an agreement,

947
00:48:19,965 --> 00:48:21,625
one is agreed to, we agree with it here,

948
00:48:24,295 --> 00:48:27,815
But I'm sure the applicant is looking for that price

949
00:48:27,875 --> 00:48:30,055
to be lowered, not increased. Right.

950
00:48:30,285 --> 00:48:32,055
Well I'll let the applicant speak to what they want,

951
00:48:32,115 --> 00:48:34,055
but yes, I would imagine so.

952
00:48:34,535 --> 00:48:37,735
I would imagine that's why it got turned down. Okay.

953
00:48:38,875 --> 00:48:41,175
All right. Do you have any questions at this point?

954
00:48:42,135 --> 00:48:46,705
Okay, so I do so that the, as I understand it, dump trucks

955
00:48:48,305 --> 00:48:49,665
probably paying somewhere between five

956
00:48:49,685 --> 00:48:53,345
and $6,000 a year in road use taxes specifically

957
00:48:53,345 --> 00:48:55,745
because of the damage that they do the roads.

958
00:48:56,615 --> 00:48:59,155
Do you not get any of the money from the state, from those

959
00:48:59,865 --> 00:49:01,835
road use taxes that are paid and,

960
00:49:01,895 --> 00:49:04,355
and you know, maybe I, no, I'll, I'll get

961
00:49:04,355 --> 00:49:07,275
to you later ask you the same question.

962
00:49:08,025 --> 00:49:12,035
Sure. So as of the most recent legislative session,

963
00:49:12,315 --> 00:49:13,675
I am not sure exactly

964
00:49:13,705 --> 00:49:15,395
what the funding stream is from the state.

965
00:49:15,875 --> 00:49:17,275
I can tell you it's very turbulent

966
00:49:17,375 --> 00:49:19,715
and that there are proposing changes on the highway user

967
00:49:19,715 --> 00:49:21,355
revenue, which I believe is different from

968
00:49:21,355 --> 00:49:22,475
what you're talking about.

969
00:49:23,195 --> 00:49:25,795
I don't have the state funding numbers in front of me to see

970
00:49:25,795 --> 00:49:29,315
what proportion of tax dollars from heavy vehicles comes

971
00:49:29,315 --> 00:49:32,795
to road maintenance, if you like. I can look into that. I

972
00:49:32,795 --> 00:49:34,355
Know, I know that under O'Malley, you know,

973
00:49:34,355 --> 00:49:36,515
he stole a bunch as far as I'm concerned, he stole a bunch

974
00:49:36,515 --> 00:49:39,955
of tax revenue to county back during that, I think

975
00:49:39,955 --> 00:49:41,355
during recession with it.

976
00:49:42,095 --> 00:49:44,555
And I don't know if he's given it back yet or not.

977
00:49:44,585 --> 00:49:45,835
Last time I talked to one

978
00:49:45,835 --> 00:49:47,475
of the commissioners he said they had not,

979
00:49:47,825 --> 00:49:48,955
that was several years ago.

980
00:49:49,385 --> 00:49:51,195
Bill, we're having trouble hearing you. Oh,

981
00:49:51,375 --> 00:49:52,715
I'm sorry. I'm, I'm getting lazy

982
00:49:52,895 --> 00:49:54,915
But you're, Pardon

983
00:49:54,915 --> 00:49:55,915
Me?

984
00:49:55,915 --> 00:49:56,355
Microphone's not close to you?

985
00:49:56,655 --> 00:49:58,675
No, it's 'cause I'm leaning back and

986
00:49:59,295 --> 00:50:00,355
Oh, taking a nap.

987
00:50:00,845 --> 00:50:03,715
Sorry. Do you want me to repeat what I was saying?

988
00:50:03,715 --> 00:50:07,115
No, would you, so all I was asking was don't these dump

989
00:50:07,115 --> 00:50:10,715
trucks at five, $6,000 per year in road use taxes,

990
00:50:10,905 --> 00:50:14,495
fuel taxes, does that any of that money come back

991
00:50:14,495 --> 00:50:17,705
to the county for the maintenance of these roads?

992
00:50:18,205 --> 00:50:20,665
Do they not get anything for their investment?

993
00:50:20,955 --> 00:50:25,465
Those, those independent drivers and small businessmen

994
00:50:25,485 --> 00:50:27,525
and everything else that, that have these things?

995
00:50:27,575 --> 00:50:28,645
We've had this discussion

996
00:50:28,645 --> 00:50:31,565
before about road use taxes and everything else.

997
00:50:32,365 --> 00:50:35,845
I know that O'Malley stole, I use that word stole

998
00:50:36,795 --> 00:50:39,365
road use taxes from the county back during the recession.

999
00:50:39,445 --> 00:50:40,565
I don't know that the state's ever

1000
00:50:40,565 --> 00:50:41,685
given them back like they should.

1001
00:50:42,345 --> 00:50:44,245
At the last conversation I had with one

1002
00:50:44,245 --> 00:50:45,845
of the commissioners, he said they had,

1003
00:50:45,845 --> 00:50:47,285
they had given some back

1004
00:50:47,285 --> 00:50:49,925
but weren't up to what they used to be historically.

1005
00:50:50,255 --> 00:50:52,485
Right. Okay. So that's all I'm asking.

1006
00:50:53,025 --> 00:50:54,085
You know, sounds to me like

1007
00:50:54,565 --> 00:50:57,165
'cause 50 years, $60,000 a year, that's 3 million bucks.

1008
00:50:57,675 --> 00:50:59,725
That ain't, that's not chump change, right?

1009
00:51:00,155 --> 00:51:01,285
Correct. How

1010
00:51:01,285 --> 00:51:02,365
Much did it cost to build a road

1011
00:51:02,385 --> 00:51:04,525
for goodness sake level road?

1012
00:51:06,315 --> 00:51:07,735
Are we building a state spec road?

1013
00:51:08,975 --> 00:51:09,975
I'm sorry, what was the second

1014
00:51:09,975 --> 00:51:10,675
One?

1015
00:51:10,675 --> 00:51:11,115
Are we building a county spec road

1016
00:51:11,115 --> 00:51:12,195
or a state spec road

1017
00:51:12,425 --> 00:51:15,515
with three $3 million in maintenance over over 50 years?

1018
00:51:15,515 --> 00:51:17,715
That's not a small chunk of change.

1019
00:51:18,055 --> 00:51:22,275
No, absolutely not. I'd be like him argue

1020
00:51:23,455 --> 00:51:24,455
And that's fair.

1021
00:51:25,125 --> 00:51:26,595
We're not opposed to the discussion.

1022
00:51:26,605 --> 00:51:28,115
We're not opposed looking at the numbers.

1023
00:51:28,345 --> 00:51:29,755
It's strictly a matter of timing.

1024
00:51:30,895 --> 00:51:32,395
The objection was raised yesterday

1025
00:51:32,535 --> 00:51:33,595
so we need to look at this.

1026
00:51:33,735 --> 00:51:35,955
So your questions are legitimate and appropriate,

1027
00:51:36,495 --> 00:51:37,675
but I don't have the answers now.

1028
00:51:38,265 --> 00:51:39,885
Okay, fair.

1029
00:51:41,505 --> 00:51:44,565
Can I, can I ask, are you done Bill? Yes. Okay.

1030
00:51:45,035 --> 00:51:46,365
It's just a question of process

1031
00:51:46,475 --> 00:51:49,485
because when in reviewing these materials prior

1032
00:51:49,485 --> 00:51:51,365
to the meeting delivered to us a week

1033
00:51:51,365 --> 00:51:55,925
or more ahead of time, typically my eyes always go to the

1034
00:51:56,825 --> 00:51:58,245
no agencies that have reviewed

1035
00:51:58,825 --> 00:52:00,645
the concept plan have offered objections.

1036
00:52:00,665 --> 00:52:03,245
So I'm wondering at what time, at what point in the process

1037
00:52:04,665 --> 00:52:08,205
was, is an issue like this supposed to be resolved?

1038
00:52:08,205 --> 00:52:11,765
Like I'm not sure why it's okay, why it's,

1039
00:52:11,765 --> 00:52:14,885
it's only why is this coming up at this time

1040
00:52:15,955 --> 00:52:18,085
when I based my review

1041
00:52:18,705 --> 00:52:22,725
and thoughts on these projects by what, what is before me

1042
00:52:22,905 --> 00:52:25,805
and, and then sometimes subsequent updates

1043
00:52:25,805 --> 00:52:26,925
from John as needed.

1044
00:52:27,065 --> 00:52:30,805
So I'm trying to figure out where, when is this supposed

1045
00:52:30,805 --> 00:52:31,925
to be resolved?

1046
00:52:32,155 --> 00:52:33,805
Like 'cause we're, we're here for final

1047
00:52:34,565 --> 00:52:36,045
approval of this concept plan. So

1048
00:52:36,915 --> 00:52:39,525
Yeah, the concept plan will allow them to move forward

1049
00:52:39,945 --> 00:52:42,605
and seek additional use location.

1050
00:52:43,315 --> 00:52:45,965
Okay, so excuse me.

1051
00:52:46,825 --> 00:52:49,125
The major extractions are unique.

1052
00:52:49,155 --> 00:52:52,085
They require public hearings which no other

1053
00:52:52,725 --> 00:52:54,085
development projects required.

1054
00:52:54,705 --> 00:52:56,805
So there are advertisement deadlines.

1055
00:52:57,585 --> 00:53:01,485
So this project had to be advertised in the paper prior

1056
00:53:01,505 --> 00:53:04,045
to the comments coming back to the department.

1057
00:53:04,905 --> 00:53:09,565
And that overlap is when that comment that Eric referenced

1058
00:53:10,115 --> 00:53:12,885
came in and that comment says that DPW

1059
00:53:14,585 --> 00:53:16,765
is okay with the project coming to planning commission

1060
00:53:17,765 --> 00:53:20,265
as long as the applicant agrees in principle

1061
00:53:20,685 --> 00:53:22,865
to the public works agreement.

1062
00:53:23,065 --> 00:53:26,245
PWA prior to planning commission,

1063
00:53:26,875 --> 00:53:28,245
well prior to planning commission

1064
00:53:29,865 --> 00:53:31,365
Ag This morning,

1065
00:53:31,365 --> 00:53:33,045
eight o'clock was prior to planning commission.

1066
00:53:33,045 --> 00:53:35,045
So in lieu of not stopping the project

1067
00:53:36,105 --> 00:53:39,605
and keeping things moving forward, it was our intent to here

1068
00:53:39,745 --> 00:53:41,365
and here we are And that's

1069
00:53:41,365 --> 00:53:43,605
where Eric mentioned his condition

1070
00:53:44,475 --> 00:53:49,245
that they can work things out, whatever that may be prior

1071
00:53:49,245 --> 00:53:52,205
to the applicant making board of appeals application

1072
00:53:52,945 --> 00:53:55,605
to keep the process moving forward for the applicant.

1073
00:53:55,625 --> 00:53:57,845
Not But isn't that normally already completed

1074
00:53:57,845 --> 00:54:01,645
before we get the paperwork to review?

1075
00:54:02,065 --> 00:54:04,885
No, not necessarily things like forest conservation.

1076
00:54:04,945 --> 00:54:06,805
If this project had forest conservation,

1077
00:54:07,795 --> 00:54:10,125
they would usually tell us this is our idea,

1078
00:54:10,505 --> 00:54:13,045
but we don't have definitive legal documents

1079
00:54:13,045 --> 00:54:15,405
and everything finalized yet until site plan.

1080
00:54:15,865 --> 00:54:17,565
So in this case we wouldn't have,

1081
00:54:18,435 --> 00:54:19,845
they don't require site plan

1082
00:54:20,205 --> 00:54:21,325
'cause there's no more floor area.

1083
00:54:21,825 --> 00:54:24,245
So their final step would be board of appeals

1084
00:54:24,245 --> 00:54:25,405
and then they'd go straight to permit.

1085
00:54:25,785 --> 00:54:30,085
So by board of appeals anything has to be determined

1086
00:54:30,085 --> 00:54:31,685
and figured out and finalized.

1087
00:54:31,915 --> 00:54:36,885
Okay. In this step, no, for us, for DPW,

1088
00:54:36,885 --> 00:54:40,605
they would like a principal figured out in a draft

1089
00:54:40,605 --> 00:54:43,445
accomplished prior to court appeals.

1090
00:54:43,795 --> 00:54:48,215
Okay. Madam Chair? Yes, sir.

1091
00:54:48,275 --> 00:54:49,775
In a, in a situation like this,

1092
00:54:49,955 --> 00:54:52,855
my immediate reaction is disapprove.

1093
00:54:53,035 --> 00:54:54,295
You know, we don't have agreement

1094
00:54:54,715 --> 00:54:57,615
and we're asked to render an opinion on something

1095
00:54:57,615 --> 00:54:59,255
that's not agreed to by both parties.

1096
00:55:00,035 --> 00:55:03,095
But I sense that staff is comfortable

1097
00:55:04,345 --> 00:55:05,975
proceeding with conditions.

1098
00:55:06,075 --> 00:55:07,935
Am I understanding this correctly?

1099
00:55:09,935 --> 00:55:12,815
I will defer to Eric on their condition,

1100
00:55:13,435 --> 00:55:16,095
the conditions we outlined, which brings me to another,

1101
00:55:16,275 --> 00:55:18,535
if you turn to page six of seven in your staff

1102
00:55:18,535 --> 00:55:19,575
Report, that's quite quite a few

1103
00:55:19,935 --> 00:55:20,935
17.

1104
00:55:20,935 --> 00:55:21,335
There are, there are 17.

1105
00:55:21,365 --> 00:55:23,055
Well they are not labeled conditions,

1106
00:55:23,075 --> 00:55:24,255
but those are the conditions.

1107
00:55:24,255 --> 00:55:25,975
So once we get to that, if we get to that,

1108
00:55:26,385 --> 00:55:27,415
those are the conditions.

1109
00:55:27,885 --> 00:55:29,375
Plus number 18, no, 18,

1110
00:55:29,595 --> 00:55:32,975
The staff is planning staff is comfortable with 17.

1111
00:55:33,715 --> 00:55:36,735
If the condition that Eric suggested were to go through

1112
00:55:37,455 --> 00:55:39,175
planning would be okay with that as well.

1113
00:55:40,475 --> 00:55:43,935
But as long as DPW was fine with that, if they weren't fine

1114
00:55:43,935 --> 00:55:45,735
with that, staff would support that as well.

1115
00:55:46,275 --> 00:55:47,415
And you're fine with that.

1116
00:55:47,795 --> 00:55:49,615
And to answer the question, yes, the Department

1117
00:55:49,615 --> 00:55:50,935
of Public Works is fine with the

1118
00:55:50,935 --> 00:55:52,375
condition as I presented it.

1119
00:55:53,715 --> 00:55:56,175
Can you give us a a written

1120
00:55:57,875 --> 00:55:59,055
or can you, can you

1121
00:55:59,895 --> 00:56:01,215
I think I can assist with that again.

1122
00:56:01,355 --> 00:56:05,695
So I I think it would be inclusion of condition 18, which,

1123
00:56:05,995 --> 00:56:07,135
and correct me if I'm wrong,

1124
00:56:07,155 --> 00:56:09,335
but the condition would be that the applicant

1125
00:56:09,475 --> 00:56:12,295
and public works department enter into a mutually

1126
00:56:12,655 --> 00:56:15,055
satisfactory public works agreement prior to

1127
00:56:16,515 --> 00:56:18,055
making the application to the board

1128
00:56:18,055 --> 00:56:19,695
of appeals for conditional use.

1129
00:56:20,005 --> 00:56:24,725
Does that work for you? Yes. Okay, good. Okay.

1130
00:56:25,025 --> 00:56:28,405
Now anything else Rob?

1131
00:56:28,985 --> 00:56:31,365
No ma'am. Okay. I have one more question.

1132
00:56:31,575 --> 00:56:34,765
Madam Chairman, why did it take this long again to get,

1133
00:56:34,945 --> 00:56:38,405
you had a meeting this morning, why didn't, why is it,

1134
00:56:39,605 --> 00:56:40,945
why is it this long in the process?

1135
00:56:41,845 --> 00:56:43,025
Why wouldn't it have done before?

1136
00:56:44,315 --> 00:56:45,985
Seems to me that maybe you could have

1137
00:56:46,675 --> 00:56:48,015
having an eight o'clock meeting

1138
00:56:48,015 --> 00:56:49,135
that had a planning commission

1139
00:56:49,525 --> 00:56:50,775
Doesn't seem like good planning.

1140
00:56:50,865 --> 00:56:52,415
There was no meeting at eight o'clock.

1141
00:56:52,595 --> 00:56:55,535
The, the comment said they needed to agree prior to

1142
00:56:55,595 --> 00:56:56,595
Oh, okay.

1143
00:56:56,595 --> 00:56:57,135
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I said

1144
00:56:57,755 --> 00:57:00,015
Up to o Alright. Alright.

1145
00:57:00,555 --> 00:57:04,015
And there was that comment came out 25 day review was at

1146
00:57:04,015 --> 00:57:06,615
least two weeks ago and as I understand it,

1147
00:57:06,625 --> 00:57:08,695
there were some email exchanges yesterday.

1148
00:57:09,555 --> 00:57:11,125
Okay. I Was not privy to that.

1149
00:57:13,345 --> 00:57:14,965
And to clarify with your question,

1150
00:57:14,965 --> 00:57:17,285
yesterday was not the first attempt at communication.

1151
00:57:17,285 --> 00:57:18,805
There were phone calls and emails back

1152
00:57:18,805 --> 00:57:20,125
and forth between the applicant

1153
00:57:20,125 --> 00:57:21,325
and the Department of Public Works.

1154
00:57:21,945 --> 00:57:24,965
The objection to the Public works agreement was raised

1155
00:57:24,985 --> 00:57:27,965
by the applicant yesterday, which is different from,

1156
00:57:27,965 --> 00:57:30,285
there was no communication until yesterday.

1157
00:57:30,835 --> 00:57:33,285
Okay. Yeah, that's okay. Thank you for the clarifying.

1158
00:57:34,875 --> 00:57:35,965
Alright. Yes ma'am.

1159
00:57:38,665 --> 00:57:41,485
My name is Cheryl Tomi with Lane Engineering.

1160
00:57:41,625 --> 00:57:44,765
I'm the project drafter for this project.

1161
00:57:45,035 --> 00:57:49,085
I've, I've worked on it throughout the years with us today.

1162
00:57:49,105 --> 00:57:51,845
We also have our project engineer Brittany Wallace,

1163
00:57:52,305 --> 00:57:54,405
who can answer any technical questions you may have.

1164
00:57:54,865 --> 00:57:57,175
The owner, Jonathan Bier and Byler

1165
00:57:57,175 --> 00:57:58,925
and our attorney Steve Mehan.

1166
00:58:00,305 --> 00:58:02,765
Rob Gunther gave a great overview of the project

1167
00:58:02,945 --> 00:58:05,045
and I would be happy to ask, answer any questions

1168
00:58:05,045 --> 00:58:08,845
that you have, just give a brief overview of

1169
00:58:09,515 --> 00:58:11,245
generally what we're proposing

1170
00:58:11,245 --> 00:58:14,845
and what he had said already is that the,

1171
00:58:16,195 --> 00:58:18,125
it's an existing mine, it's there.

1172
00:58:19,025 --> 00:58:21,445
We have an entrance that's already in place

1173
00:58:21,985 --> 00:58:25,325
and the office, the different,

1174
00:58:28,185 --> 00:58:30,205
the different plants that are there,

1175
00:58:30,205 --> 00:58:31,445
those are all gonna stay in place

1176
00:58:31,445 --> 00:58:33,165
and those are gonna be continued to be used.

1177
00:58:33,175 --> 00:58:35,805
We're not proposing anything new for that.

1178
00:58:36,625 --> 00:58:39,045
The trucks per day is gonna stay at a

1179
00:58:39,045 --> 00:58:40,085
hundred trucks per day.

1180
00:58:40,375 --> 00:58:43,845
We're not proposing any increases in the trucks

1181
00:58:44,345 --> 00:58:45,765
or the hours of operation.

1182
00:58:46,185 --> 00:58:49,765
So you're not going to see a change in the,

1183
00:58:49,905 --> 00:58:52,885
an increase in the traffic going to and from the site.

1184
00:58:53,755 --> 00:58:58,525
It's just we're proposing an expansion of the mining pond

1185
00:58:58,625 --> 00:59:01,765
so that the mine can continue to stay in business

1186
00:59:02,505 --> 00:59:05,885
and expand the life of the mine by about 50 years

1187
00:59:06,425 --> 00:59:08,165
as market conditions allow.

1188
00:59:10,145 --> 00:59:14,605
As a part of this expansion, as he had shown, you know,

1189
00:59:15,545 --> 00:59:17,645
the, we're proposing the road improvements

1190
00:59:17,705 --> 00:59:21,005
to Merri Corner Road, we've also proposed to

1191
00:59:22,045 --> 00:59:25,005
reroute the tax ditch that does go through the middle

1192
00:59:25,025 --> 00:59:28,845
of the site to go around the exterior

1193
00:59:29,065 --> 00:59:30,445
of the mining pond.

1194
00:59:30,825 --> 00:59:32,965
And then inside of that we'll have a,

1195
00:59:33,125 --> 00:59:35,805
a visual screening berm with plantings on top

1196
00:59:36,425 --> 00:59:40,205
and then even, you know, further interior

1197
00:59:40,345 --> 00:59:41,965
to the site will have an access road

1198
00:59:41,985 --> 00:59:43,965
and then it will be the expansion pond.

1199
00:59:44,175 --> 00:59:47,885
Everything will expand towards the west

1200
00:59:48,425 --> 00:59:51,365
and it'll slowly happen over those 50 years.

1201
00:59:51,595 --> 00:59:55,165
What you'll see initially are the berms being established

1202
00:59:55,345 --> 01:00:00,005
as well as the rerouted public

1203
01:00:00,005 --> 01:00:01,925
drainage association tax ditch.

1204
01:00:04,465 --> 01:00:06,645
Do you have any questions for us at this time?

1205
01:00:06,905 --> 01:00:09,725
Any road improvement questions or storm water?

1206
01:00:10,235 --> 01:00:11,365
We'd be happy to answer them.

1207
01:00:13,025 --> 01:00:14,085
Yes. Tony, I have a question.

1208
01:00:14,585 --> 01:00:18,805
You, you suggested the, you know, the slow walk east? Yes.

1209
01:00:18,805 --> 01:00:21,165
Or sorry, west and and south of the property when,

1210
01:00:22,265 --> 01:00:24,995
with the exception of the rerouting of the tax disc, when

1211
01:00:26,165 --> 01:00:28,275
would we expect to see the tree clearing?

1212
01:00:28,855 --> 01:00:33,595
The tree clearing At this time they're in their phase

1213
01:00:33,705 --> 01:00:37,235
four, so they've been approved for 119 acres.

1214
01:00:37,375 --> 01:00:40,715
So they're, they're working in that additional 19 acres

1215
01:00:40,715 --> 01:00:42,355
that they were approved last year.

1216
01:00:43,135 --> 01:00:46,035
So eventually, you know, as we go through this process

1217
01:00:46,295 --> 01:00:49,435
for approvals for this phase five, they'll continue

1218
01:00:49,435 --> 01:00:54,395
to work westward for the removal

1219
01:00:54,655 --> 01:00:56,195
of those trees to the south.

1220
01:00:56,265 --> 01:00:58,555
It's really as they grow the mining pit,

1221
01:00:58,555 --> 01:01:01,875
and it depends on what direction they're going to start

1222
01:01:01,895 --> 01:01:04,675
to grow the mining pit, it's gonna be a combination of

1223
01:01:05,615 --> 01:01:08,395
dry mining and then, you know, as they get down

1224
01:01:08,395 --> 01:01:09,915
to the water level, then the, the

1225
01:01:10,815 --> 01:01:12,875
dredge will continue the mining.

1226
01:01:13,495 --> 01:01:17,395
So really it's when they want to

1227
01:01:18,135 --> 01:01:22,195
expand to the south to to be able to to,

1228
01:01:22,295 --> 01:01:24,795
So it's not necessary for initial berm construction

1229
01:01:24,815 --> 01:01:27,555
or no rerouting of the tactics. What you'll

1230
01:01:27,555 --> 01:01:30,075
See initially for the berm construction

1231
01:01:30,495 --> 01:01:32,435
as you've brought up, is they will need

1232
01:01:32,435 --> 01:01:33,755
to strip some topsoil

1233
01:01:34,135 --> 01:01:36,915
and other material in order to construct those berms.

1234
01:01:37,295 --> 01:01:39,875
And they have some room to be able to do that with,

1235
01:01:40,055 --> 01:01:42,435
you know, the existing farm fields

1236
01:01:42,505 --> 01:01:43,995
that you see open at this time.

1237
01:01:46,625 --> 01:01:48,405
So over years, years out, yes.

1238
01:01:48,405 --> 01:01:49,525
Over years without having you

1239
01:01:49,525 --> 01:01:50,685
to put a number on it, that's fine.

1240
01:01:50,715 --> 01:01:51,715
Yeah,

1241
01:01:52,995 --> 01:01:53,995
Yeah.

1242
01:01:53,995 --> 01:01:57,365
We, we, when it was approved last May

1243
01:01:57,785 --> 01:02:02,165
for the nine additional 19 acres, we approximated

1244
01:02:02,165 --> 01:02:05,165
that they had about five years left of material,

1245
01:02:05,935 --> 01:02:07,325
maybe a little bit more than that

1246
01:02:08,065 --> 01:02:09,845
and this will be the slow walk over.

1247
01:02:09,845 --> 01:02:10,965
But you still one schedule with that.

1248
01:02:11,835 --> 01:02:13,685
Yeah, that schedule would still be appropriate. Yes.

1249
01:02:14,275 --> 01:02:17,005
Yeah. And then this mining expansion will give them an

1250
01:02:17,005 --> 01:02:18,645
additional 50 as market

1251
01:02:18,905 --> 01:02:22,085
allows 50 years.

1252
01:02:28,775 --> 01:02:30,795
You guys have always done a nice job of,

1253
01:02:31,655 --> 01:02:33,515
of your berms and everything.

1254
01:02:34,205 --> 01:02:38,795
Thank you. Okay, any other questions?

1255
01:02:42,135 --> 01:02:45,715
Can I get a public hearing?

1256
01:02:46,575 --> 01:02:47,755
Oh, public comment comments?

1257
01:02:50,285 --> 01:02:55,035
We're gonna bring the Yes ma'am,

1258
01:02:59,235 --> 01:03:00,315
I introduce yourself.

1259
01:03:00,575 --> 01:03:03,515
Yes, good morning. I'm Kelly Ireland.

1260
01:03:04,155 --> 01:03:06,235
I am an adjoining property owner.

1261
01:03:06,955 --> 01:03:10,395
I own both the lot that is across the street as well

1262
01:03:10,415 --> 01:03:11,955
as the an owner

1263
01:03:12,055 --> 01:03:15,955
of the 200 acre agricultural farm across the street.

1264
01:03:17,115 --> 01:03:19,915
I have no illusions that there'll be any stopping this

1265
01:03:19,915 --> 01:03:23,915
project and I do respect that property owners have the right

1266
01:03:23,975 --> 01:03:27,075
to do things within reason with their properties,

1267
01:03:27,655 --> 01:03:30,035
but adjoining property owners should also have the right

1268
01:03:30,215 --> 01:03:33,435
to not be negatively impacted by those activities.

1269
01:03:34,375 --> 01:03:36,515
My ask is that there's a potential condition

1270
01:03:36,665 --> 01:03:40,715
that there be an honest assessment of the, that

1271
01:03:41,275 --> 01:03:45,675
actively engages adjoining landowners of the current

1272
01:03:45,695 --> 01:03:47,515
and potential impacts of the plan.

1273
01:03:47,975 --> 01:03:50,355
So we can look at ways to minimize those impacts

1274
01:03:50,415 --> 01:03:53,435
and potential risk with more in-depth considerations.

1275
01:03:53,755 --> 01:03:55,355
Specifically for noise

1276
01:03:55,355 --> 01:03:58,035
and vibrations, light pollution,

1277
01:03:58,725 --> 01:04:01,635
local air quality impacts related to dust

1278
01:04:01,635 --> 01:04:04,075
and exhaust groundwater.

1279
01:04:04,585 --> 01:04:07,475
It's a large amount of groundwater

1280
01:04:07,475 --> 01:04:10,555
that would potentially be exposed with this full expansion.

1281
01:04:11,395 --> 01:04:12,715
The impacts to our wells.

1282
01:04:13,555 --> 01:04:16,875
Looking at the long history of Biosolid application

1283
01:04:17,415 --> 01:04:19,115
on these agricultural fields

1284
01:04:19,655 --> 01:04:23,515
and any potential impacts of making that

1285
01:04:25,465 --> 01:04:27,155
exposed to groundwater.

1286
01:04:27,915 --> 01:04:29,755
We'd also like to look at the entrances,

1287
01:04:29,755 --> 01:04:31,195
both the number and location.

1288
01:04:31,485 --> 01:04:33,435
We've been talking about one entrance,

1289
01:04:33,575 --> 01:04:37,275
but there are actually more than one place that the pit is

1290
01:04:37,795 --> 01:04:38,795
accessed currently.

1291
01:04:39,815 --> 01:04:44,155
I'd also like to ask that there be impacts, attempts

1292
01:04:44,215 --> 01:04:46,995
to minimize the impacts while installing

1293
01:04:47,535 --> 01:04:48,875
the berms around the area.

1294
01:04:49,185 --> 01:04:51,875
Currently there's a significant amount of dust

1295
01:04:52,575 --> 01:04:55,675
and sediment along the roads

1296
01:04:56,215 --> 01:04:59,395
and my fear is that even just installing the measures

1297
01:04:59,455 --> 01:05:01,595
for mitigation, if we don't look at that further,

1298
01:05:01,825 --> 01:05:03,235
will create additional impacts.

1299
01:05:05,435 --> 01:05:08,115
I saw that some of the core values of Byers was

1300
01:05:08,115 --> 01:05:09,115
to always do the right thing.

1301
01:05:09,635 --> 01:05:12,435
I hope that we will have an opportunity to engage.

1302
01:05:13,085 --> 01:05:15,075
Thank you for your time and consideration.

1303
01:05:16,165 --> 01:05:16,595
Thank you.

1304
01:05:21,975 --> 01:05:23,075
Any other public comment?

1305
01:05:24,055 --> 01:05:27,925
You have anything and you didn't have anything else? I got.

1306
01:05:28,395 --> 01:05:33,325
Okay. Do

1307
01:05:33,325 --> 01:05:36,325
the commissioners have any questions?

1308
01:05:41,155 --> 01:05:42,605
Okay, Madam Chair. Yes.

1309
01:05:45,385 --> 01:05:47,965
Having considered the testimony presented

1310
01:05:47,965 --> 01:05:50,405
and having reviewed the findings outlined in the staff

1311
01:05:50,405 --> 01:05:53,685
report, be it hereby resolved that the planning commission

1312
01:05:53,755 --> 01:05:57,245
regarding the request by by Byler materials LLC

1313
01:05:57,265 --> 01:05:59,325
for concept plan approval for a

1314
01:06:00,225 --> 01:06:03,485
215.555 acre expansion

1315
01:06:03,505 --> 01:06:06,685
of an existing major extraction operation in the

1316
01:06:06,685 --> 01:06:08,205
agricultural zoning district,

1317
01:06:08,895 --> 01:06:10,805
which is more particularly described in planning

1318
01:06:10,805 --> 01:06:15,565
and zoning file SP number 26 dash oh one dash oh one seven

1319
01:06:15,625 --> 01:06:19,965
oh here finds the concept plan is consistent with the goals

1320
01:06:19,965 --> 01:06:23,485
and objectives of the Queenan County 22 comprehensive plan.

1321
01:06:24,505 --> 01:06:28,285
The concept plan is consistent with the Queen County zoning

1322
01:06:28,305 --> 01:06:29,805
and subdivision regulations.

1323
01:06:30,465 --> 01:06:32,845
I'd also like to incorporate the findings from the staff

1324
01:06:33,045 --> 01:06:34,205
report into this motion.

1325
01:06:36,065 --> 01:06:37,885
And here are the conditions. One.

1326
01:06:37,885 --> 01:06:38,965
Proper controls

1327
01:06:38,965 --> 01:06:42,245
and methods are maintained to minimize truck mud, tracting,

1328
01:06:42,245 --> 01:06:46,325
or dust plumes in dry times with wind swift suppression.

1329
01:06:47,305 --> 01:06:49,885
Two. The facilities continue to be adequately designed

1330
01:06:49,905 --> 01:06:53,125
and maintained to free dirt and debris from the wheels

1331
01:06:53,125 --> 01:06:55,725
and undercarriage of trucks prior

1332
01:06:55,745 --> 01:06:57,565
to entering Merrick Corner Road.

1333
01:06:58,455 --> 01:07:00,765
Three. All soil conservation district

1334
01:07:00,965 --> 01:07:02,005
approvals are maintained.

1335
01:07:02,955 --> 01:07:05,405
Four. The hours of operation will be consistent

1336
01:07:05,405 --> 01:07:09,485
with the approval of condition use case number B OA dash

1337
01:07:10,305 --> 01:07:13,685
one nine dash 0 4 9.

1338
01:07:14,425 --> 01:07:17,245
Any changes require, require additional approvals.

1339
01:07:18,275 --> 01:07:22,205
Five Haul trucks shall adhere to the approved haul route

1340
01:07:22,225 --> 01:07:23,525
as discussed and presented.

1341
01:07:24,385 --> 01:07:27,245
Six. The use of dredge loader haul truck

1342
01:07:27,385 --> 01:07:29,245
and excavator during daytime

1343
01:07:29,325 --> 01:07:31,725
and nighttime hours must adhere

1344
01:07:31,745 --> 01:07:34,925
to the standoff distances outlined in the outlined in the

1345
01:07:34,925 --> 01:07:39,485
staff report and in the sound study dated March 5th, 2026.

1346
01:07:40,265 --> 01:07:43,085
Number seven, material storage piles cannot exceed

1347
01:07:43,085 --> 01:07:44,245
45 feet in height.

1348
01:07:44,905 --> 01:07:48,445
Number eight, the applicant submits as-built updates

1349
01:07:48,545 --> 01:07:51,085
to the Board of Appeals and Department of Planning

1350
01:07:51,105 --> 01:07:54,045
and Zoning yearly on the anniversary of Board

1351
01:07:54,045 --> 01:07:56,725
of Appeals approval or on a schedule determined

1352
01:07:56,725 --> 01:07:57,765
by the Board of Appeals.

1353
01:07:59,265 --> 01:08:01,045
Number nine. The applicant agrees

1354
01:08:01,045 --> 01:08:03,085
to an annual inspection 10.

1355
01:08:03,625 --> 01:08:05,965
All State permits are in place prior

1356
01:08:06,045 --> 01:08:08,005
to final permitting by Queen Ens County.

1357
01:08:08,865 --> 01:08:12,525
11. Any document, any legal documents are approved

1358
01:08:13,025 --> 01:08:15,125
and reviewed by the Planning commission attorney.

1359
01:08:16,665 --> 01:08:19,085
12. Any future mining phases

1360
01:08:19,185 --> 01:08:22,005
or changes to the end use plan must return

1361
01:08:22,025 --> 01:08:25,245
to the planning Commission for a recommendation to the Board

1362
01:08:25,245 --> 01:08:27,605
of Appeals for an amendment to the conditional use.

1363
01:08:28,805 --> 01:08:32,165
13. Any and all financial assurities for reclamation

1364
01:08:32,925 --> 01:08:35,245
landscaping, stormwater management

1365
01:08:35,265 --> 01:08:37,525
and enforcement, et cetera, are in place

1366
01:08:37,545 --> 01:08:39,205
before final permits are granted.

1367
01:08:40,765 --> 01:08:44,165
14. There shall be no truck parking on Merrick Corner Road,

1368
01:08:44,705 --> 01:08:47,125
no stacking or parking outside of the gate.

1369
01:08:47,625 --> 01:08:51,205
No Jake brakes and no tailgate slamming either on onsite

1370
01:08:51,205 --> 01:08:52,605
or on the public road.

1371
01:08:53,265 --> 01:08:55,565
The applicant shall post a sign with a notice

1372
01:08:55,595 --> 01:08:57,085
regarding these restrictions.

1373
01:08:57,995 --> 01:08:59,885
15. Any requirements

1374
01:08:59,985 --> 01:09:02,605
by the Queen Anne's County Roads Department must be

1375
01:09:02,925 --> 01:09:04,325
satisfactorily addressed.

1376
01:09:05,315 --> 01:09:08,005
16 Conditions of approval for the relocation

1377
01:09:08,005 --> 01:09:11,965
of the tax ditch found in the letter from the Caroline Soil

1378
01:09:11,965 --> 01:09:15,885
Conservation District dated November 10th, 2025 and

1379
01:09:16,165 --> 01:09:17,925
provided in the staff report must be

1380
01:09:18,285 --> 01:09:19,365
satisfactorily addressed.

1381
01:09:20,725 --> 01:09:22,725
17. Any outstanding documentation

1382
01:09:22,825 --> 01:09:26,485
or comments stemming from agency reviews are addressed prior

1383
01:09:26,505 --> 01:09:30,005
to Board of Appeals submittal.

1384
01:09:31,085 --> 01:09:32,125
18. The applicant

1385
01:09:32,145 --> 01:09:35,485
and the Department of Public Works must reach a satisfactory

1386
01:09:35,485 --> 01:09:38,085
public works agreement prior to Board

1387
01:09:38,085 --> 01:09:39,445
of Appeals application.

1388
01:09:41,045 --> 01:09:43,945
And having considered the testimony presented

1389
01:09:43,945 --> 01:09:46,665
and having reviewed the findings outlined in the staff

1390
01:09:46,665 --> 01:09:50,145
report, be it hereby resolve that the planning commission

1391
01:09:50,255 --> 01:09:53,385
regarding the request by Byler materials LLC

1392
01:09:53,485 --> 01:09:56,945
for a 215.555 acre expansion

1393
01:09:57,485 --> 01:10:01,025
of an existing major extraction operation in agricultural

1394
01:10:01,025 --> 01:10:03,865
zoning district, which is more particularly described

1395
01:10:03,865 --> 01:10:05,225
in planning and zoning file.

1396
01:10:05,765 --> 01:10:10,385
SP 26 dash oh one dash oh one seven oh hereby

1397
01:10:10,385 --> 01:10:13,465
forwards a favorable recommendation, recommendation

1398
01:10:13,465 --> 01:10:17,945
to the Board of Appeals under sections 18, one dash 14

1399
01:10:18,745 --> 01:10:22,625
C seven and 18 one dash 95 E.

1400
01:10:23,885 --> 01:10:27,305
Second We have a first, the second.

1401
01:10:29,925 --> 01:10:32,025
All in favor. Excuse me, Madam Chair, under

1402
01:10:32,025 --> 01:10:33,025
Discussion?

1403
01:10:33,025 --> 01:10:37,025
Yes. Discussion. First in light of Ms.

1404
01:10:37,025 --> 01:10:39,905
Ireland, was it public comments?

1405
01:10:40,525 --> 01:10:43,385
I'd like to suggest an, an additional

1406
01:10:44,535 --> 01:10:48,265
condition onto Commissioner de Otis's motion

1407
01:10:48,775 --> 01:10:51,905
that the applicant engaged the surrounding citizens

1408
01:10:51,925 --> 01:10:54,185
to address any potential concerns to their,

1409
01:10:55,565 --> 01:10:58,785
to their, to their, to.

1410
01:10:58,785 --> 01:11:03,575
Let's see what I wanna phrase this to, to, to hear the,

1411
01:11:03,755 --> 01:11:05,175
to meet with local citizens,

1412
01:11:05,455 --> 01:11:06,935
adjoining neighbors specifically

1413
01:11:07,675 --> 01:11:09,095
to understand their concerns

1414
01:11:09,095 --> 01:11:10,255
and do their best to address them.

1415
01:11:12,615 --> 01:11:15,725
So could we get a motion to amend the motion on the floor

1416
01:11:15,825 --> 01:11:17,685
to include that additional condition?

1417
01:11:18,185 --> 01:11:19,765
We can accept that as a friendly amendment.

1418
01:11:20,265 --> 01:11:21,925
Can we not do what?

1419
01:11:21,985 --> 01:11:24,525
Accept that as a friendly amendment under Robert's rules?

1420
01:11:24,835 --> 01:11:26,565
Well, you should still, because there's a motion on the

1421
01:11:26,565 --> 01:11:29,125
floor that hasn't been voted on yet.

1422
01:11:29,995 --> 01:11:32,805
Move to amend that motion and then you could all vote on it.

1423
01:11:33,125 --> 01:11:38,085
I, if I may inject, I I listen to the citizen's

1424
01:11:38,845 --> 01:11:40,005
testimony, you know, adequate,

1425
01:11:40,025 --> 01:11:43,325
but I'm, my thought was going to, that would be more

1426
01:11:43,325 --> 01:11:45,525
of a planning and zoning requirement across the board,

1427
01:11:45,585 --> 01:11:47,645
not just to this particular project.

1428
01:11:47,835 --> 01:11:51,005
Like I'm, I'm not really sure I should, that I'm,

1429
01:11:51,645 --> 01:11:53,645
I I would be willing to make it a condition

1430
01:11:53,645 --> 01:11:55,965
of this particular project, rather.

1431
01:11:56,285 --> 01:11:58,085
I think it's a discussion with planning and zoning

1432
01:11:58,425 --> 01:12:01,845
or the county on, on projects of this type

1433
01:12:01,865 --> 01:12:04,045
or magnitude across the board.

1434
01:12:04,185 --> 01:12:05,885
So that's my feeling on this.

1435
01:12:08,255 --> 01:12:12,555
And most of her, my thoughts were that most of her

1436
01:12:13,275 --> 01:12:16,635
concerns appear to have been handled in the 17th

1437
01:12:16,635 --> 01:12:17,635
Place.

1438
01:12:17,635 --> 01:12:18,035
I I was thinking about that as I was

1439
01:12:18,035 --> 01:12:19,075
reading them as well and 18

1440
01:12:19,075 --> 01:12:19,875
Point. Some of them,

1441
01:12:20,575 --> 01:12:21,575
I'm, I'm sorry.

1442
01:12:21,575 --> 01:12:22,555
I'm sure not allowed to speak,

1443
01:12:22,735 --> 01:12:25,755
but I think that the reports were done without any,

1444
01:12:26,695 --> 01:12:30,235
any engagement or the ability to ground truth.

1445
01:12:30,385 --> 01:12:31,555
Some of those findings.

1446
01:12:31,795 --> 01:12:34,875
I wanna be a good neighbor, I wanna have good neighbors.

1447
01:12:36,295 --> 01:12:38,075
The sound report, for example,

1448
01:12:38,455 --> 01:12:40,635
we can hear the sounds at night.

1449
01:12:40,815 --> 01:12:43,075
So it being 50 decibels,

1450
01:12:43,105 --> 01:12:46,035
just a conversation at the property line,

1451
01:12:46,705 --> 01:12:49,435
depending on weather conditions cannot be true.

1452
01:12:50,175 --> 01:12:51,315
I'm sure that it was tested

1453
01:12:51,575 --> 01:12:54,395
and that was the case at some amount of operation,

1454
01:12:54,975 --> 01:12:57,475
but there's lights and sounds throughout the night

1455
01:12:58,135 --> 01:12:59,595
and just an opportunity

1456
01:12:59,735 --> 01:13:02,515
to engage the way the process is currently set up.

1457
01:13:03,575 --> 01:13:05,155
The public notice at the end

1458
01:13:05,155 --> 01:13:07,355
of the road was my first opportunity

1459
01:13:07,495 --> 01:13:09,315
to know this could be engaged with,

1460
01:13:09,775 --> 01:13:12,755
and the stamp report was already directed by that point.

1461
01:13:13,585 --> 01:13:16,125
So, and I apologize for being

1462
01:13:19,185 --> 01:13:20,405
No, and I think it was clear Ms.

1463
01:13:20,405 --> 01:13:22,685
Ar, Ms. Ms. Ireland, when you made your testimony

1464
01:13:22,685 --> 01:13:24,325
that you are not necessarily opposed

1465
01:13:24,465 --> 01:13:26,445
to this from a property rights perspective,

1466
01:13:26,515 --> 01:13:27,965
it's just you'd like to be included

1467
01:13:28,865 --> 01:13:30,845
in progress as it's made.

1468
01:13:31,135 --> 01:13:33,125
We've definitely impacted my property

1469
01:13:33,265 --> 01:13:36,565
and my property use are impacted by this

1470
01:13:36,565 --> 01:13:37,565
Project.

1471
01:13:37,565 --> 01:13:38,765
Yeah. I'm sorry, we're not really supposed to be q

1472
01:13:38,765 --> 01:13:41,165
and a with you, but appreciate your testimony.

1473
01:13:41,755 --> 01:13:46,455
Okay. Have you ever made any complaints to the

1474
01:13:47,315 --> 01:13:49,775
zoning department or has anyone

1475
01:13:49,775 --> 01:13:50,855
ever made any, say opinion and

1476
01:13:50,855 --> 01:13:51,855
Zoning?

1477
01:13:51,855 --> 01:13:55,575
No. Since we're engaging, I said I want it to be a good

1478
01:13:55,875 --> 01:13:56,875
No, I understand.

1479
01:13:56,995 --> 01:14:00,575
And that I'm not trying to be argument my intention,

1480
01:14:00,915 --> 01:14:03,495
But there is a difference between, you know,

1481
01:14:03,495 --> 01:14:07,575
this is gonna be 17 years initially, unless Brent

1482
01:14:07,575 --> 01:14:09,215
and Barrett and it'll be over

1483
01:14:09,835 --> 01:14:14,245
and now expanding to 49 years additional,

1484
01:14:14,555 --> 01:14:18,085
it's a lot of water on top of a lake is 60 acres.

1485
01:14:18,835 --> 01:14:22,405
This is gonna be 3 28. I'm,

1486
01:14:22,945 --> 01:14:24,445
I'm concerned that The impacts

1487
01:14:24,445 --> 01:14:25,445
Haven't.

1488
01:14:25,445 --> 01:14:27,845
Okay. We've heard, we've heard. Thank you have, well,

1489
01:14:27,905 --> 01:14:30,965
Can I ask one question in the same vein,

1490
01:14:31,105 --> 01:14:33,485
do you allow tailgate slamming in on your property?

1491
01:14:34,065 --> 01:14:35,365
Do you have people that violate it?

1492
01:14:36,975 --> 01:14:39,035
Not to my knowledge. I mean, I'm not saying not,

1493
01:14:39,345 --> 01:14:41,635
it's not ever happened, but certainly we will get rid of it

1494
01:14:42,165 --> 01:14:43,835
Every effort To make sure it doesn't happen.

1495
01:14:44,155 --> 01:14:45,155
Absolutely. Absolutely. It was trapped

1496
01:14:45,155 --> 01:14:46,115
On the road.

1497
01:14:46,115 --> 01:14:50,165
Sounds like it might be happening. Sorry, I have a question.

1498
01:14:50,265 --> 01:14:51,725
How long has Byler been in,

1499
01:14:52,065 --> 01:14:55,525
in existence

1500
01:14:56,345 --> 01:14:58,205
In the, as far as in Queen Anne County?

1501
01:14:58,205 --> 01:14:59,845
At the mine or in total? In,

1502
01:14:59,985 --> 01:15:01,365
In, in Queen Anne County.

1503
01:15:01,825 --> 01:15:05,885
So we bought into the mine in 2013.

1504
01:15:07,325 --> 01:15:10,265
Was the mine there prior to it? Was there prior? Yes.

1505
01:15:10,335 --> 01:15:11,745
Okay. Do you know when it started?

1506
01:15:12,585 --> 01:15:15,385
I believe it was 2007. It was around there.

1507
01:15:15,925 --> 01:15:18,625
That's when it was created? Yeah. Correct.

1508
01:15:20,765 --> 01:15:21,055
Okay.

1509
01:15:25,925 --> 01:15:26,145
So

1510
01:15:26,475 --> 01:15:30,145
Right now, just procedure, there's a motion on the floor.

1511
01:15:30,235 --> 01:15:32,825
There was a motion to amend. It sounds like it wasn't

1512
01:15:32,825 --> 01:15:33,825
Seconded.

1513
01:15:33,825 --> 01:15:34,745
So I get a second to the amend.

1514
01:15:38,065 --> 01:15:40,975
Okay, let's go back with the motion.

1515
01:15:41,315 --> 01:15:44,335
Can I, I have a first and a second.

1516
01:15:45,685 --> 01:15:48,705
Can we vote please? All in favor? Oh, wait a minute.

1517
01:15:48,725 --> 01:15:50,625
Rob, you have something? There's

1518
01:15:52,085 --> 01:15:53,305
Two things you have to vote on.

1519
01:15:53,305 --> 01:15:56,705
Just FYI, the concept plan approval

1520
01:15:57,405 --> 01:15:59,025
and then separately recommendations.

1521
01:16:00,485 --> 01:16:01,485
Ms. De Otis,

1522
01:16:02,205 --> 01:16:03,945
She combined, if I read right, I

1523
01:16:03,945 --> 01:16:05,065
Just think you need to vote on both

1524
01:16:05,065 --> 01:16:06,345
of those separately. Okay.

1525
01:16:06,855 --> 01:16:10,225
Alright, we're gonna go with the first one, okay? Okay.

1526
01:16:10,365 --> 01:16:14,545
For the 18. Okay, so I have to read

1527
01:16:15,245 --> 01:16:16,245
All of that again?

1528
01:16:16,565 --> 01:16:19,425
No, just the last one. We'll, we'll do that separately.

1529
01:16:19,575 --> 01:16:20,575
Okay.

1530
01:16:21,365 --> 01:16:26,105
No, I think just to clarify, you can keep your motion to

1531
01:16:26,735 --> 01:16:30,425
find the con concept plan consistent with the

1532
01:16:31,065 --> 01:16:33,345
comprehensive plan and Queen AIDS county zoning

1533
01:16:33,365 --> 01:16:36,145
and subdivision regulations subject to the 18 conditions.

1534
01:16:36,695 --> 01:16:40,145
Vote on that and then make a motion on the favorable

1535
01:16:40,145 --> 01:16:42,345
or unfavorable recommendation to the Board of Appeals.

1536
01:16:42,415 --> 01:16:44,785
Okay. You don't have to read it. Okay. Thank, thank you.

1537
01:16:44,785 --> 01:16:49,305
Correct. Okay. So we have a motion, we second

1538
01:16:49,345 --> 01:16:52,355
Motion we have a second for the 18. Correct.

1539
01:16:52,785 --> 01:16:54,355
With con concept Plan approval.

1540
01:16:54,355 --> 01:16:56,155
You have a motion right now for concept plan approval

1541
01:16:56,155 --> 01:16:58,595
with the 18 conditions and a second. Okay.

1542
01:16:59,455 --> 01:17:03,715
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? A Okay.

1543
01:17:04,255 --> 01:17:05,595
And lemme just read this again. Okay.

1544
01:17:05,595 --> 01:17:07,075
So we'll you gonna read that for second one.

1545
01:17:08,235 --> 01:17:10,005
Having considered the testimony presented

1546
01:17:10,005 --> 01:17:12,285
and having reviewed the findings outlined in the staff

1547
01:17:12,285 --> 01:17:15,365
report, be it hereby resolved that the planning commission

1548
01:17:15,365 --> 01:17:18,565
regarding the request by Byler materials LLC

1549
01:17:18,945 --> 01:17:22,365
for a 215.555 acre expansion

1550
01:17:22,365 --> 01:17:25,605
of an existing major extraction operation in the

1551
01:17:25,605 --> 01:17:26,925
agricultural zoning district,

1552
01:17:27,175 --> 01:17:29,085
which is more particularly described

1553
01:17:29,085 --> 01:17:30,165
in planning and zoning file.

1554
01:17:30,505 --> 01:17:35,125
SP number 26 dash zero one dash 0 1 7 0

1555
01:17:35,305 --> 01:17:38,365
hereby four is a favorable recommendation to the Board

1556
01:17:38,365 --> 01:17:42,645
of Appeals under sections 18 1 14 C seven

1557
01:17:42,665 --> 01:17:46,445
and 18 one dash 95 E

1558
01:17:47,705 --> 01:17:48,705
Second.

1559
01:17:48,905 --> 01:17:50,565
All in favor? Aye. Aye.

1560
01:17:51,345 --> 01:17:53,645
And just as a FYI

1561
01:17:53,905 --> 01:17:57,645
or for you, it would be nice if you talk to your neighbors.

1562
01:17:57,815 --> 01:17:59,605
We'll certainly do that. Absolutely. We'll engage with that.

1563
01:17:59,605 --> 01:18:03,365
That's great. Yeah, that's great. Any opposed? Opposed?

1564
01:18:03,995 --> 01:18:08,645
Okay with that Ben was opposed too, just so you

1565
01:18:08,645 --> 01:18:09,765
Know. Not opposed

1566
01:18:10,185 --> 01:18:11,185
Oh, are you?

1567
01:18:11,185 --> 01:18:13,205
Yeah. To go to the Board of Appeals to go to the Board of

1568
01:18:13,205 --> 01:18:15,005
Appeals to make a, to make a favorable

1569
01:18:15,005 --> 01:18:16,565
recommendation to the Board of Appeals.

1570
01:18:16,715 --> 01:18:18,645
There's already a condition on the application

1571
01:18:18,645 --> 01:18:20,085
that they can't have the Board of Appeals hearing

1572
01:18:20,295 --> 01:18:24,285
until this agreement is resolved. Did

1573
01:18:24,285 --> 01:18:25,285
This Say that again?

1574
01:18:26,215 --> 01:18:29,245
There is already a condition on the concept plan

1575
01:18:29,245 --> 01:18:31,805
application that they cannot proceed to the Board of Appeals

1576
01:18:31,815 --> 01:18:34,485
until the Public Works agreement matter is

1577
01:18:34,565 --> 01:18:35,685
mutually resolved.

1578
01:18:36,365 --> 01:18:40,365
I understand that, but I was under the impression

1579
01:18:40,365 --> 01:18:43,045
that at some point we're gonna include this acknowledgement

1580
01:18:43,045 --> 01:18:47,685
of the citizens' observations in a more formal fashion.

1581
01:18:48,385 --> 01:18:50,645
And perhaps procedurally I've made a mistake

1582
01:18:51,745 --> 01:18:54,605
and didn't get that in, in the original motion.

1583
01:18:55,655 --> 01:18:58,325
There was a motion to amend my motion to add that.

1584
01:18:58,665 --> 01:18:59,805
And it, it didn't get,

1585
01:18:59,865 --> 01:19:01,005
it didn't pass. It didn't get a second.

1586
01:19:01,065 --> 01:19:03,405
We didn't get a second. We didn't get a second. Okay.

1587
01:19:03,505 --> 01:19:06,725
You, you could certainly on your vote

1588
01:19:06,785 --> 01:19:08,605
for the favorable consideration to the Board

1589
01:19:08,605 --> 01:19:11,565
of Appeals express some of your concerns.

1590
01:19:11,915 --> 01:19:14,245
Well, I'd like to do that, please.

1591
01:19:14,345 --> 01:19:17,805
In that I would hope that we could

1592
01:19:19,545 --> 01:19:22,125
in the future include wording

1593
01:19:22,315 --> 01:19:25,325
that makes it clear in these approvals that the

1594
01:19:26,035 --> 01:19:28,125
applicant has to speak to the neighbors

1595
01:19:29,275 --> 01:19:30,325
when this has been raised.

1596
01:19:30,385 --> 01:19:31,525
Now this is for futures.

1597
01:19:31,565 --> 01:19:33,605
I don't see it as a condition on this approval,

1598
01:19:33,825 --> 01:19:37,285
but I support Commissioner Lay in

1599
01:19:38,225 --> 01:19:41,885
making sure that the citizens' comments are acknowledged

1600
01:19:41,885 --> 01:19:42,965
by the planning commission

1601
01:19:44,105 --> 01:19:47,285
And, and I I express in, in declining to amend my emotion.

1602
01:19:47,605 --> 01:19:49,165
I I feel like it's not something

1603
01:19:49,165 --> 01:19:51,485
that should be case specific to this project,

1604
01:19:51,625 --> 01:19:53,045
but rather a broader planning

1605
01:19:53,045 --> 01:19:55,605
and zoning. Do you know what I'm saying?

1606
01:19:56,485 --> 01:19:57,525
I understand that. I would've gone

1607
01:19:57,525 --> 01:19:59,645
with both saying it's okay to do it here

1608
01:19:59,745 --> 01:20:01,685
and let's get to work on a underlying

1609
01:20:01,685 --> 01:20:02,685
Understood.

1610
01:20:03,025 --> 01:20:05,245
So just to clarify for the record,

1611
01:20:05,825 --> 01:20:09,765
we have favorable concept plan approval, which was a vote

1612
01:20:09,765 --> 01:20:13,405
of four to one and a favorable recommendation to the Board

1613
01:20:13,405 --> 01:20:16,365
of Appeals, which was a vote of three to two. Yes.

1614
01:20:16,365 --> 01:20:18,005
Correct. Right. Okay.

1615
01:20:23,285 --> 01:20:26,135
Four, four to two. Say four to two. Okay.

1616
01:20:26,205 --> 01:20:29,255
Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, I was gonna say,

1617
01:20:29,315 --> 01:20:30,335
let me count that again.

1618
01:20:31,655 --> 01:20:35,935
I don't do math. You know, Five isn't

1619
01:20:36,365 --> 01:20:38,615
Five to one and four to two.

1620
01:20:39,115 --> 01:20:41,815
The seven people. Well you I don't vote.

1621
01:20:42,495 --> 01:20:43,815
I don't Unless over time chair

1622
01:20:43,815 --> 01:20:44,935
because it shouldn't need to break a talk.

1623
01:20:45,785 --> 01:20:47,535
Right, right. At least that's

1624
01:20:47,535 --> 01:20:48,575
What she told me last Meeting.

1625
01:20:48,665 --> 01:20:50,695
Right. Going off that premise.

1626
01:20:50,715 --> 01:20:54,015
That's what it's any public comment.

1627
01:20:56,325 --> 01:20:58,055
Nothing. Okay. Well

1628
01:20:58,055 --> 01:20:59,815
Just, just to be clear, that was, so that was the end.

1629
01:21:00,275 --> 01:21:02,335
The public comment you just asked for was

1630
01:21:02,395 --> 01:21:03,655
for generic public comment

1631
01:21:03,655 --> 01:21:04,655
At the end of the meeting.

1632
01:21:04,655 --> 01:21:06,135
Yes. Generic public comment. So

1633
01:21:06,775 --> 01:21:09,095
I, I actually would like to comment on Ben's comment.

1634
01:21:09,475 --> 01:21:12,415
You know, I look at this forum here,

1635
01:21:12,415 --> 01:21:15,335
this venue here right now, to be the opportunity

1636
01:21:15,595 --> 01:21:18,575
for the people to engage with the owners of the properties.

1637
01:21:19,655 --> 01:21:22,175
I question, I'm not saying it's

1638
01:21:22,175 --> 01:21:23,295
bad to meet with the community.

1639
01:21:23,415 --> 01:21:25,895
I think you should maybe, but to what end,

1640
01:21:26,915 --> 01:21:29,935
you know, miss Island.

1641
01:21:30,045 --> 01:21:32,615
Nice, nice lady. Right. Very respectful.

1642
01:21:32,775 --> 01:21:35,255
I mean, I, and I, I know your family, who you are,

1643
01:21:37,315 --> 01:21:39,815
but all the

1644
01:21:40,475 --> 01:21:42,815
jabber John in the world isn't probably gonna change her

1645
01:21:42,815 --> 01:21:45,575
mind about what's going on there.

1646
01:21:45,595 --> 01:21:47,535
And I'm not trying to put words in your

1647
01:21:47,535 --> 01:21:49,015
mouth, that's all I understand.

1648
01:21:49,155 --> 01:21:51,855
I'm just, I just question to what end.

1649
01:21:52,345 --> 01:21:53,575
Those things really work.

1650
01:21:53,915 --> 01:21:57,135
You know, here's the venue right now, we're all sitting here

1651
01:21:58,105 --> 01:21:59,405
taking this stuff in.

1652
01:22:00,325 --> 01:22:01,785
You have an opportunity to speak your

1653
01:22:01,785 --> 01:22:02,865
mind, bring your friends in.

1654
01:22:03,185 --> 01:22:04,745
Quantity counts. Apparently.

1655
01:22:05,085 --> 01:22:08,745
I'm the only one at, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1656
01:22:09,765 --> 01:22:14,465
That's all I'm gonna say. I guess I'd see it the other side

1657
01:22:14,465 --> 01:22:16,665
saying it can't possibly hurt.

1658
01:22:16,835 --> 01:22:21,525
Right? Yeah. Okay.

1659
01:22:22,715 --> 01:22:26,525
Alright. Can I get a motion? You have a motion to adjourn?

1660
01:22:27,305 --> 01:22:30,605
Can I get a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.

1661
01:22:32,185 --> 01:22:32,685
So moved.