1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,120 Good afternoon everyone. Welcome to 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,440 council meeting number 21 for Tuesday, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,960 July 21, 2026. 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,840 And I'll note that this is a a special 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,680 open meeting of council with only one 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,640 item on the agenda. We have some uh 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,199 routine business to deal with uh in 8 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:26,720 terms of um approval of the agenda, etc. 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,519 Uh, I will mention that we've got uh 10 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:33,760 councelor Elliot on on Zoom. Do we? Are 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:34,880 you there, Councelor Ell? 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:35,910 >> Yes, sir. 13 00:00:35,910 --> 00:00:35,920 » Yes, sir. 14 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,310 >> Good. 15 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:36,320 » Good. 16 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,270 >> Yes, sir. 17 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:37,280 » Yes, sir. 18 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,270 >> Love it when the technology is working. 19 00:00:39,270 --> 00:00:39,280 » Love it when the technology is working. 20 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,719 Thank you. Okay. So, now um I'm looking 21 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:46,640 for a motion to um approve the agenda. 22 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,440 And we also have some late items that 23 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,920 have been and these are basically um 24 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,120 letters that um have been submitted uh 25 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,520 relative to the uh support for the 26 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,280 temporary uh warming shelter at 395 27 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,199 Elliott Street. So if we could get a 28 00:01:03,199 --> 00:01:05,119 motion on the floor to approve the 29 00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:07,680 agenda. Councelor McKelie, Councelor 30 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,200 Rudenberg. 31 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,360 Uh councelor Run, you have a question? 32 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,510 >> Yes. Prior to voting on the agenda, I I 33 00:01:13,510 --> 00:01:13,520 » Yes. Prior to voting on the agenda, I I 34 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,439 really would like to move uh J4 35 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:20,880 before us making a decision. 36 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:26,149 >> Uh 37 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:27,920 we we are doing that. 38 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,590 >> You're you're referring to gallery 39 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:29,600 » You're you're referring to gallery 40 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,079 questions. Yeah, that will happen before 41 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:35,439 the uh it'll probably happen after the 42 00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:37,840 resolution has been placed on the table. 43 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,240 I will call for that. Okay. Anyone else? 44 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,240 Are we all in favor then of approving 45 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,360 the agenda as discussed? 46 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,520 Okay. I do have a I do have an opening 47 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,320 statement that uh that I'd like to read. 48 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,799 Uh before council proceeds with this 49 00:01:54,799 --> 00:01:57,040 item, I would like to acknowledge that 50 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,520 this matter has generated significant 51 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,920 public interest and differing viewpoints 52 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,119 from within our community. We recognize 53 00:02:05,119 --> 00:02:07,520 that many residents care deeply about 54 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,479 the outcome and may hold strong opinions 55 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:13,599 on the subject. It is important to 56 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:16,480 clarify that council's discussion is not 57 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,680 a public hearing. Council's role this 58 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,560 evening is to receive information, ask 59 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,879 questions, deliberate, and make 60 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:28,080 decisions as authorized under applicable 61 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,319 legislation and council procedures. 62 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:35,120 A number of submissions have been made 63 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,599 and council has had the opportunity to 64 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:39,519 review these submissions including the 65 00:02:39,519 --> 00:02:42,000 late submissions. The meeting before us 66 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,319 is not structured as a public hearing 67 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:47,040 and does not provide an opportunity for 68 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,599 debate. Although there will be 69 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:52,480 opportunity uh for questions from the 70 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,000 gallery as is normally provided on our 71 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,120 regular council meeting agendas. 72 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,519 I ask that everyone present please 73 00:03:01,519 --> 00:03:04,480 conduct themselves respectfully. Council 74 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,480 is committed to considering the 75 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,120 information before us thoughtfully and 76 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,599 professionally and we expect the same 77 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:14,879 respect to be shown to council staff 78 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:17,440 delegates and members of the public 79 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,560 regardless of differing perspectives. 80 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,560 Thank you for your cooperation. We will 81 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:29,030 now proceed with the item on the agenda. 82 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,680 So, I would now call on the Cornell 83 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,319 Shelter and Support Society, Tammy 84 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:37,360 Jansen, Executive Director, to to make a 85 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:53,270 presentation. 86 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,239 Hello everybody. Can I control this to 87 00:03:56,239 --> 00:03:58,239 move the slides? Just hit the over 88 00:03:58,239 --> 00:04:05,750 arrow. 89 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,799 There we go. Hello everybody. Um, for 90 00:04:08,799 --> 00:04:10,480 those of you that don't know me, I'm 91 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,720 Tammy Jansen, executive director for 92 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,360 Cornell Shelter and Sports Society. 93 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,919 Thank you for having us here tonight to 94 00:04:17,919 --> 00:04:20,959 review um and answer questions about the 95 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:24,479 temporary winter shelter. 96 00:04:24,479 --> 00:04:26,880 So, as you can see from the first slide, 97 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,120 we operated a temporary winter shelter 98 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,280 from January 27th to April 27th of this 99 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:36,870 year. 100 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,320 And where is the 101 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,280 go this way? 102 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:45,840 Um, the services we provided were safe 103 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:48,560 overnight shelter from 7:00 p.m. to 9:00 104 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,160 a.m. We did open for staff to prepare at 105 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,360 6:00 p.m. Um, and allowed 106 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,880 clients to come in at 700 p.m. 107 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,199 Hot dinner was served nightly at 7:00 108 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:03,680 p.m. a light breakfast each morning, 109 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,240 harm reduction supplies and support, 110 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,120 overdose prevention services, on-site 111 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,600 support workers for case planning, 112 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,840 laundry mat vouchers. As there was no 113 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:17,440 laundry on site, we were able to partner 114 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,520 with a local um laundry mat and provide 115 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,360 folks with vouchers, so they had a way 116 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,000 to launder. 117 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,720 We had shower access at Season's house 118 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,039 as there was no shower at this site 119 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:34,320 either, but we have shower access for 120 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,520 folks at Season's House if needed. We 121 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,160 had clothing supplies, regular wellness 122 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,880 checks, and referrals to community 123 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,800 resources. So, our homelessness 124 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,120 prevention program that helps house 125 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,800 people out in community and market 126 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,039 rentals. Um and MSDPR, Ministry of 127 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:54,400 Social Development and Poverty 128 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,280 Reduction, their outreach worker is able 129 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:00,560 to meet with us at that site as well and 130 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,560 refer people for wound care with 131 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,830 Northern Health. 132 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:11,440 Our staffing qualifications to start, we 133 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,759 need our food safe, whimsis, first aid 134 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:16,080 level one, and a BC criminal record 135 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,919 check with a vulnerable sector. That is 136 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:23,749 something that everybody needs to have 137 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:25,360 and then we go through a lot of 138 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,880 onboarding training for our staff. Um so 139 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,440 required before working independently 140 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,039 they complete an introduction to 141 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:35,520 homeless sector through homelessness 142 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,319 services association of BC provides that 143 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:39,840 training. 144 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:41,919 reducing barriers to shelter access, 145 00:06:41,919 --> 00:06:44,160 Nlloxxone administration, mental health 146 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,160 first aid, domestic violence safety 147 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,800 planning, trauma informed practice, harm 148 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,199 reduction, professional boundaries, and 149 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:54,400 crisis deescalation. 150 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,319 ongoing professional development that we 151 00:06:56,319 --> 00:07:01,680 offer to our staff is um LGBTQ2S 152 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,639 plus awareness, documentation and report 153 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:07,039 writing, case planning, indigenous 154 00:07:07,039 --> 00:07:09,199 cultural safety, program specific 155 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:11,919 training, and lived experience-led 156 00:07:11,919 --> 00:07:13,919 training through our community action 157 00:07:13,919 --> 00:07:18,710 team peers. 158 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,680 Over that 3-month period, we had a total 159 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,520 of 726 160 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,680 shelter stays. That's averaging eight 161 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,560 people per night. The maximum capacity 162 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,680 of that site is 16. So, we had an 163 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,199 average of eight people per night. 483 164 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:39,840 male, 243 female. Out of that 726 165 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,319 shelter stays, there was 80 unique 166 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:45,039 individuals that made up that 700 those 167 00:07:45,039 --> 00:07:50,639 726 stays. 48 male, 32 female, 168 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:53,199 and those of who shared indigenous 169 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:56,000 identity, 34 first nations, eight matei, 170 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,749 and 29 non-indigenous. 171 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:04,960 Here we have some quotes um from folks 172 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,360 that have stayed, so saying that they've 173 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,400 never slept so peaceful in my life. Um 174 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,400 thank staff for opening the shelter. I 175 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,240 finally feel safe at night and sleep 176 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,199 good. Um, it's nice to be safe. An RCMP 177 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,280 member said, "It is so nice to have 178 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,360 somewhere to bring people when there is 179 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,000 no room at the shelter, 180 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,639 meaning season's house, because in the 181 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:34,000 winter it is full at 25 beds." Um, and 182 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,519 somebody's saying that they're glad they 183 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:37,680 have people have a place to go out of 184 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:42,550 the elements. 185 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:45,440 So we've always had we always have a 186 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,839 minimum of two staff on site at all 187 00:08:47,839 --> 00:08:50,720 times upwards of four to five depending 188 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,640 on if a cook is there, if the manager 189 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,880 happens to be there, janitor happens to 190 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,760 be there. So but always a minimum of two 191 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,160 people. Um Vivian Ham managed the site 192 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,040 and was able to oversee and respond if 193 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,399 needed. 194 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:08,959 Uh all staff again are certified in 195 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:11,040 first aid women's food safe nlloxxone 196 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,880 and deescalation 197 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,800 and our society does have a 24/7 on call 198 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:22,949 supervisor on call 199 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:24,959 um some of the challenges and lessons 200 00:09:24,959 --> 00:09:27,519 that we learned. So we were closed for 201 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:30,240 one week following a violent incident. 202 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,440 that incident saw a woman fleeing 203 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,760 violence and fled into that space. She 204 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,959 was not a guest at that shelter. She was 205 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:43,920 not staying there. She fled there for 206 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,760 stay safety. The person following her is 207 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,399 the one who caused the damages and we 208 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:53,680 had to close for a week. 209 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:56,720 We did provide on-site security patrols 210 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,640 um as somebody was stationed there from 211 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,080 11:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. every day. Um 212 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,839 and they only reported one serious 213 00:10:03,839 --> 00:10:06,160 incident where they had to call RCMP for 214 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,480 support. 215 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,120 There is a lack of on-site showers 216 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,040 creates barriers for those not 217 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,760 comfortable accessing season's house. 218 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,760 And there is no daytime space for guests 219 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,760 once the shelter closed each morning. 220 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,320 So, when we closed and they had to be 221 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,800 out by 9:00 a.m., there was no other 222 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:31,030 space for them to go to in community. 223 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,200 Some of the community benefits, 224 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,480 nighttime street presence drops as 225 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,360 guests have a safe destination, 226 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,040 hospital trips for frostbite, 227 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,720 hypothermia, and weather related 228 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,440 injuries will decline. Emergency 229 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,000 services face lighter demand overall 230 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,560 when people have somewhere to go. A 231 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:52,720 staff supportive setting takes the place 232 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,320 of encampments and outdoor exposure. 233 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,240 Storefronts and bank vestibules see 234 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,200 fewer people sheltering for warmth. 235 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,360 Signals that the city stands by its most 236 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,640 vulnerable residents. Community anxiety 237 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,680 eases when extreme weather hits. and 238 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:11,760 city public areas stay cleaner with 239 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,440 reduced to human waste and 240 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,870 paraphernalia. 241 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,800 We would like to recommend to council 242 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,040 that we continue this program or expand 243 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,000 season's house shelter. We would like to 244 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,320 do as we are today, begin planning 245 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,440 earlier in the year, add on-site 246 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,519 showers, storage, and outreach services 247 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:36,000 for people, and invest in community 248 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,720 education and engagement. 249 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,079 And I welcome any of your questions. 250 00:11:42,079 --> 00:11:44,389 >> Okay. Uh, thank you for that. Well done. 251 00:11:44,389 --> 00:11:44,399 » Okay. Uh, thank you for that. Well done. 252 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:47,040 And so, the floor is now open to 253 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,440 questions and comments from council. So, 254 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,590 I'll open it up. 255 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,200 Nobody yet. 256 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,590 >> Oh, councelor Runge, 257 00:11:57,590 --> 00:11:57,600 » Oh, councelor Runge, 258 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,030 >> you guys. I don't always want to be 259 00:11:59,030 --> 00:11:59,040 » you guys. I don't always want to be 260 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,440 first. Uh, thanks for the report. Uh, 261 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,680 with regards, uh, and I think you know 262 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:06,880 this question might come to you. It's 263 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,800 with regards to continue the program or 264 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,040 expand the program. What do you see as 265 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,790 expanding the program? 266 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,399 » And is there room I guess? So I I guess 267 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:22,320 on that expand as in we if season's 268 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,639 house is going to stay at 25 beds and 269 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:26,800 there's no expansion like we need we 270 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,639 need either a um a better dedicated 271 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:35,120 facility with more space for people. So 272 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,079 that's what I mean by expand. Um and and 273 00:12:38,079 --> 00:12:44,720 also if it the two funding modules don't 274 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,560 speak to one another and I don't know 275 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:51,750 how to um 276 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,600 temporary winter shelter is only for 277 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,600 night. We need somewhere for people to 278 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,560 go during the day. So 279 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:04,389 ex expand that way. 280 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:07,760 » Okay. Anyone? Councelor Rudenberg. 281 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,550 >> Thank you. Good evening. Um, so one of 282 00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:10,560 » Thank you. Good evening. Um, so one of 283 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:12,639 your last comments here is invest in 284 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:14,720 community education and engagement. What 285 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,360 does that look like to you? I know what 286 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,800 it looks like to me, but what does it 287 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,190 look like to you? 288 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,760 I I can say that Cornell Shelter and 289 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,639 Support Society is currently investing 290 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:32,480 in updating our website, updating modes 291 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,240 of um like how do you contact us, how do 292 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,079 things get brought to the table for the 293 00:13:38,079 --> 00:13:39,839 good neighbor meetings, all of those 294 00:13:39,839 --> 00:13:43,920 pieces. Um and community education. I 295 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,920 think we need to be able to have these 296 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,200 discussions so that all voices can be 297 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,519 heard and we we're not going to address 298 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:56,000 anything if it's this pocket over here 299 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,760 and this pocket over here. We need to 300 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,160 work as a community to address what's 301 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,279 happening in our community. 302 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:07,920 Um, and I I feel like if more stats were 303 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,000 out there, more opportunities were out 304 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,480 there for people to educate themselves 305 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,160 on the reasons for homelessness. Um, how 306 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,199 much housing is actually in Quinnel? Uh, 307 00:14:19,199 --> 00:14:21,040 what's the difference between supportive 308 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,160 housing and emergency shelter? Those 309 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,680 kind of things need community needs 310 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,000 education on that. There are a lot of 311 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,360 people that think that supportive 312 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,120 housing you're still homeless. That's 313 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,079 not the case. Um and that means that we 314 00:14:36,079 --> 00:14:38,160 need to do better at educating and and 315 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,120 and engaging with community so that we 316 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,480 have a proper understanding. 317 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,320 So it that's a a great start, but how do 318 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,040 you how do you how do you talk to 319 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,519 community members who say, "But I still 320 00:14:53,519 --> 00:14:56,720 wake up with stuff in my front door or 321 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,240 they put a fire at my front entrance of 322 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,839 my store. How do you work with that part 323 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:06,560 of the community who are just done, who 324 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,720 don't want to hear the stats, who don't 325 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,399 want to think that we need to build 326 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:12,560 something more. So, how do you work with 327 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,600 community like who have that experience, 328 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,279 their own life experience with what's 329 00:15:17,279 --> 00:15:19,680 going on in their especially around some 330 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,279 of our business community? 331 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:25,760 So, first of all, I'm not about people 332 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,839 who commit crimes should get away with 333 00:15:27,839 --> 00:15:29,920 crimes. That's not what I am saying 334 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,880 here. Um, 335 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,120 we do host a good neighbor meeting once 336 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,279 a month and there are several people who 337 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:40,079 are invited to those meetings. Cornell 338 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:42,079 uh downtown business association, the 339 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:44,399 West Cornell business association, other 340 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:48,000 service providers, RCMP, bylaw, city, 341 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,399 those folks are at the table. So we try 342 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,639 to have those discussions at that table 343 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:55,199 and help address what people are seeing 344 00:15:55,199 --> 00:15:58,000 in community. If it if it's not making 345 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,000 it to that table, then I don't know how 346 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,560 to or I don't know about it to address 347 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,759 it. So So there's that, which is why 348 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:08,000 we're working on updating our website so 349 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,079 that people have a clearer path on if 350 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:12,399 this is happening, who do you call? Is 351 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:16,240 it bylaw? Is it RCMP? Is it our society? 352 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,399 I I need it to be known that we don't 353 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:22,800 own this population of people. I have no 354 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,320 capacity 355 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,240 or power to monitor someone when they 356 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,279 leave season's house and commit or do 357 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:36,079 something at the bakery. I a lot of has 358 00:16:36,079 --> 00:16:38,320 happened between now and then. However, 359 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,959 if I know it's somebody in crisis, I can 360 00:16:40,959 --> 00:16:42,720 reach out to Northern Health. I can 361 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,800 reach out to bylaw. I can reach out to 362 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,600 Northern Health to say this person needs 363 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,720 more supports. Um, we sit on several 364 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,399 tables with the city, the housing 365 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:57,360 solutions table. Um, oh, now it's it's 366 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,000 the situation table that they meet 367 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,440 several times and and they try to 368 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,640 identify who's having issues, what's 369 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,880 happening in community, and how we can 370 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,880 work together as service providers to 371 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,600 support these people. Um, I do 372 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,000 understand that businesses are 373 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,199 suffering. Um, I do understand that 374 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:21,039 people are waking up with somebody on 375 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:24,319 their front lawn or poop or something 376 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:27,039 and that's not what I want. Um, I am 377 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:29,280 born and raised in Cornell. I want a 378 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,840 healthy community. We all want the same 379 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,480 thing. 380 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,789 >> I really appreciate that. But you can 381 00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:36,799 » I really appreciate that. But you can 382 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:40,960 understand the um it's it's that bigger 383 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,559 picture because we know there is a 384 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:44,080 crisis when it comes to mental health. 385 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,600 We know there's a crisis when it comes 386 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,400 to addictions. Um that the whole 387 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,559 housing, you know, attainable housing 388 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:54,080 for everyone in the community. So, 389 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,720 um they tie it all together when they 390 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,000 see that person doing whatever. And 391 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,840 unfortunately, it lands in your lap. and 392 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,360 and you're right, you would not allow, 393 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:07,280 you know, somebody to break the law. 394 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,720 There's also the whole court system that 395 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,400 we know that is not necessarily working 396 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,120 for us. So, 397 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:15,600 it's it's about you're not just talking 398 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,840 about your shelter here. When you talk 399 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,160 to the community, it's that bigger 400 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,280 picture. And I know the you know, you 401 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,760 have your meetings during the day. There 402 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,679 are people who cannot make it during the 403 00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:29,840 day who would love to be there. You know 404 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,600 what? you know, we need to look at 405 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,360 opportunities for people to actually 406 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:35,679 start to understand that, you know, 407 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:37,600 having those evening meetings or, you 408 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,000 know, maybe it's a pre-break meeting, 409 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,919 but something that gets other members of 410 00:18:41,919 --> 00:18:44,160 the community that cannot make a 2:00 411 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,679 meeting in the afternoon because they 412 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:47,280 are busy busy trying to run their 413 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,000 businesses. Um, 414 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,320 it's, you know, there I have a couple 415 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,400 other pieces here, you know, and you 416 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,720 talk about expanding seasons house that 417 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,799 opens up another whole piece, right? 418 00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:00,720 It's kind of like, so where do you think 419 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,799 you're going to put it? And that and 420 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:05,520 again, I mean, one of the questions I've 421 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,320 asked people about this and they said, 422 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,480 we need this in Quinnell. We understand 423 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,360 that people deserve a safe, warm place 424 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,360 to be able to put their head at night. 425 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,600 And then the the next question is, so 426 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,360 where do you think we should put it? And 427 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:21,039 their hands go up in the air. Go, well, 428 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:22,400 no, no, as long as it's not in my 429 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,720 backyard. And we know that that that 430 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,960 exists out there. They know we need it, 431 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,120 but where do you put it? Um, 432 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:32,880 I think I've said enough for now. Thank 433 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,000 you. 434 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,110 >> Can I speak? 435 00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:37,120 » Can I speak? 436 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,110 >> I I I hear what you're saying, 437 00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:39,120 » I I I hear what you're saying, 438 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:45,110 Laurianne, and I just I I 439 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:46,960 to put 440 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,080 all of that on a nonprofit 441 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,000 to organize. 442 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,280 I think, like I said earlier, I could I 443 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,000 could put it to council as well. What 444 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,160 community engagement are you doing to 445 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,760 help solve these issues that we're 446 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,320 seeing in our community? What meetings 447 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,720 are you having to allow community to 448 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,510 come forward? Um, 449 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,640 I I I would like council to think about 450 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,000 that as well. 451 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,549 >> Okay. Thank you for that. Before I go to 452 00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:20,559 » Okay. Thank you for that. Before I go to 453 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:22,480 uh Councelor McKelie, I do have a 454 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,640 question for you. I've always been 455 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,440 confounded with acronyms and 456 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,600 particularly given my military 457 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,400 background and so I've got to ask you, 458 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,190 what is MSDPR? 459 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,960 » Ministry of Social Development and 460 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,080 Poverty Reduction. 461 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,029 >> I should have known that. Thank you, 462 00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:43,039 » I should have known that. Thank you, 463 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:46,240 Councelor McCelie. 464 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,830 >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And thank you 465 00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:47,840 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And thank you 466 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,080 Tammy for the report. I'm going to hold 467 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,120 off on my comments until we hear from BC 468 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:56,320 Housing. And are we voting after we hear 469 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,520 from BC Housing? 470 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:58,070 >> Yes. 471 00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:58,080 » Yes. 472 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,950 >> Wonderful. Thank you again, 473 00:21:00,950 --> 00:21:00,960 » Wonderful. Thank you again, 474 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,590 >> Councelor Boule. 475 00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:03,600 » Councelor Boule. 476 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,990 >> Uh thanks for the report, Fam. Thank you 477 00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:06,000 » Uh thanks for the report, Fam. Thank you 478 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,120 very much. Uh very informative to echo 479 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:11,440 some of Councelor Rutenberg's points. 480 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,520 You know, we have to find a solution 481 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,159 here that works for all of us and the 482 00:21:16,159 --> 00:21:18,240 community. And I have written down in my 483 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,159 notes communication. I think we need to 484 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:22,320 devise something that we are together on 485 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,880 the same page because that seems to be 486 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,360 where sometimes the problems um do 487 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:29,760 occur. Pieces are part of the 488 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,600 responsibility of a municipality. Other 489 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,840 pieces are part of you as a nonprofit 490 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,840 organization. So sometime we have to 491 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,799 balance those those pieces. I had a 492 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:40,880 couple of questions on your report. You 493 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,400 had 80 unusual people. What's unusual 494 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,559 people? Are they just random people that 495 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:49,280 attended your uh or attended the shelter 496 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,280 when it was open or I just never used 497 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,600 that before. I'm like unusual. 498 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,960 Unless I'm reading it wrong on that. 499 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,470 >> It said 80 unique. 500 00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:56,480 » It said 80 unique. 501 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:57,990 >> Unique. Okay. 502 00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:58,000 » Unique. Okay. 503 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,510 >> What's unique people? 504 00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:59,520 » What's unique people? 505 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,870 >> Unique. One person unique to themselves. 506 00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:02,880 » Unique. One person unique to themselves. 507 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,870 >> Oh, okay. Okay. Perfect. Just for 508 00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:04,880 » Oh, okay. Okay. Perfect. Just for 509 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,400 clarity. And my other question, sorry, 510 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,880 and maybe I I misread that, but my other 511 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,640 question for you too is you have in your 512 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,880 report too that um when you close down 513 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,520 the temporary shelter and there's no 514 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,760 place for them to go after they're 515 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,360 outside the shelter, you don't you don't 516 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:21,039 keep any stats on where do they go? Like 517 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:22,880 they're just out of the shelter and they 518 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,559 could just walk down the street or they 519 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:25,760 could go to a different service 520 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,159 provider. Is there any stats that we 521 00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:30,000 could say, hey, send them to another 522 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,600 organization? And again, that's coming 523 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,360 back to my communication piece and how 524 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:37,600 we do this as a community, right? So, 525 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,669 >> so that would go with the cold weather 526 00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:39,679 » so that would go with the cold weather 527 00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:41,440 planning that we worked on with the 528 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,200 municipality 529 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,360 um to identify a warming station space 530 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:51,120 available in community. Um 531 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,919 so I we don't know where I mean there 532 00:22:55,919 --> 00:22:57,440 can they drop in at the friendship 533 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,600 center, can they go to the library? Can 534 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,919 they There's There's 535 00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:04,000 We've tried to say you could go to West 536 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,320 Fraser Center to stay warm, but that's 537 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,919 not an an ideal situation either, right? 538 00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:12,720 Like, but the right now my hands are 539 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,360 tied except for it's 9:00 a.m. You got 540 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,520 to go. Sorry about your luck. See you at 541 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,230 700 p.m. tonight. 542 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,400 » Okay. No one Oh, councelor Rudenberg, 543 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:24,640 sorry. 544 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,590 >> Go ahead. 545 00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:25,600 » Go ahead. 546 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,390 >> Sorry. Um you did uh make comment here 547 00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:28,400 » Sorry. Um you did uh make comment here 548 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,080 about uh referrals to community 549 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,120 services, right? Do you know how many of 550 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:39,039 your uh clients access those services or 551 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:41,760 that maybe were successful? 552 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,149 >> I I would have to look more into that. 553 00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:44,159 » I I would have to look more into that. 554 00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:47,679 But our we have an ongoing relationship 555 00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:50,080 with MSDPR's Ministry of Social 556 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,880 Development Community Integration 557 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,919 Specialist. Um, she's at our sites quite 558 00:23:55,919 --> 00:24:00,640 often. So, I mean, like I I don't I 559 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,950 >> I guess this success would look like 560 00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:02,960 » I guess this success would look like 561 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,520 they don't return to the to the shelter. 562 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,990 >> Oh, yes. Yes. Um, but then we're on to a 563 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:10,000 » Oh, yes. Yes. Um, but then we're on to a 564 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,480 whole other housing crisis and 565 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,549 affordable housing. 566 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:18,960 » Okay. Thank you. Oh, Councelor Vic, go 567 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,159 ahead. 568 00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:23,510 >> Thank you. Hey, Tammy. So, I'm going I'm 569 00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:23,520 » Thank you. Hey, Tammy. So, I'm going I'm 570 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,720 going to push you a little bit on 571 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,200 something and this is just hopefully 572 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,159 there there could be some dialogue on 573 00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:33,520 something you spoke about you when a 574 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,919 resident or someone using your services 575 00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:39,679 at season's house or at at uh uh at the 576 00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:41,600 other facility when they leave your 577 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,159 doorstep they 578 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:46,640 really your responsibility 579 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,480 that ends. You can't be responsible for 580 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,240 the behaviors of every citizen who walks 581 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,240 along the sideway. So, I'm going to push 582 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,880 you a little bit on that. If you know 583 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,679 you have some clients that are um 584 00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:03,600 troubled or have a predisposition to 585 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,400 perhaps cause a problem, can you not 586 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,240 develop policies where you work with 587 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,240 these individuals when you know they're 588 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,039 coming outside your premise? So there so 589 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:16,960 it it avoids the the languishing on the 590 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,120 sidewalks or trespassing on other 591 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:22,240 businesses property. Can you not can we 592 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,320 not meet you halfway there where you 593 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,320 engage with your clients and express you 594 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,400 know the rules of the road so to speak 595 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,240 when you leave your premise and what the 596 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,880 expectations of society are when they 597 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,679 leave. Is that possible? Is there some 598 00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:42,559 kind of compromise there? 599 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:45,679 We do have those conversations. We try 600 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:48,559 to have those conversations. We contact 601 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,880 Northern Health Mental Health. We 602 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,159 contact bylaw. We contact RCMP. When we 603 00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:56,159 know that there's somebody in our commu 604 00:25:56,159 --> 00:25:59,760 community who is not doing well, we try 605 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,080 to get them the support and services 606 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,200 that they need. Um, we do have those 607 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,279 discussions about wanting to be good 608 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:09,520 neighbors, about cleaning up after 609 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,480 ourselves. We We do try to have those 610 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,039 conversations. I I really assure you we 611 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,000 do have those conversations. 612 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,110 >> I appreciate that and I'm sure 613 00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:21,120 » I appreciate that and I'm sure 614 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,320 people listening to you right now 615 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,159 appreciate you saying that. But you 616 00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:25,600 understand this is where a lot of 617 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,159 friction comes with operating a homeless 618 00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:30,480 shelter in our community. It's it's not 619 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,880 often what happens within your doors 620 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,039 that concerns community members at 621 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,520 large. It happens when those 622 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,080 individuals, and it's probably a select 623 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,720 few, but when those individuals come out 624 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,840 of your premise and cause havoc or uh uh 625 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,760 issues, you know. So, I hope yeah, maybe 626 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,240 this is a this is a dialogue beyond this 627 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,440 decision tonight, but we definitely 628 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,120 would look forward to talking with you 629 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:02,000 more on how we can help with that 630 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,360 behavior. For sure. 631 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,510 >> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Vic. Anyone 632 00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:07,520 » Okay. Thank you, Councelor Vic. Anyone 633 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,320 else? 634 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,840 Okay. Uh before I go to the next um 635 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,960 delegation which is BC housing and this 636 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,520 is for the benefit of those in the 637 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,200 public gallery. Uh at the end of every 638 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,880 council meeting um we have a a question 639 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,600 period from from the gallery and it and 640 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,400 it is for excuse me questions and not 641 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,360 editorializing and not commenting. It is 642 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,799 for questions. I'm going to read that to 643 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:42,080 you because that opportunity, 644 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,600 excuse me, to ask questions will come up 645 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,960 before the decision is made. Usually at 646 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,080 council meet, not usually um at council 647 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,720 meetings, the opportunity for gallery 648 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,720 questions comes at the end of the 649 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,520 meeting after all of the business has 650 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,200 been completed. In this case, I'm going 651 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,679 to ask for council or pardon me for 652 00:28:05,679 --> 00:28:09,279 gallery questions before the decision is 653 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,320 made. So that if there's anything in 654 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,200 your line of questioning that might help 655 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,720 council uh to make their decision, then 656 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,279 um you're going to help us with that. So 657 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,600 I'm going to read gallery questions. All 658 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,640 gallery questions are to be addressed to 659 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,799 the chair of the council meeting, that's 660 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:32,159 myself, and must be an explicit question 661 00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:34,720 about a specific business item that is 662 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,120 on the council agenda. The gallery 663 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,279 member must have heard the entire 664 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,760 council dialogue of that particular 665 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,520 council agenda item that the question is 666 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,640 being asked of. and gallery question 667 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,600 period is not an opportunity to bait to 668 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,559 debate with council or raise issues or 669 00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,200 concerns with council that does not 670 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,760 explicitly form part of the business 671 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,279 item contained in the council agenda. So 672 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,679 in other words, I'm going to be watching 673 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:08,720 very closely that uh that we stay 674 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,799 focused and don't wander off into the 675 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,919 weeds. Okay. So with that, I would like 676 00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:19,600 to now call um operations uh manager for 677 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,480 planning for pardon me a nonprofit 678 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,840 portfolio manager north for Ministry of 679 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,000 BC Housing uh David Sheets. 680 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:53,350 The floor is yours. 681 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Good evening, council. Thank you very 682 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,799 much for having me and I look forward to 683 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,960 this conversation with you tonight and 684 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,720 ongoing. 685 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,960 My name is David Shia. I'm the nonprofit 686 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,080 portfolio manager for BC Housing. Uh my 687 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:11,909 office is based in Prince George. 688 00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:13,520 I want to acknowledge that we're 689 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,360 speaking with you and working with you 690 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,120 from the traditional unseated 691 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,600 territories of the Estella Lako Da 692 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:25,830 Luscus D and the Nazco First Nations. 693 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,200 We tried to put our presentation 694 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,279 together in three parts thinking about 695 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,840 the questions that we had last month um 696 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,240 and trying to be thorough in the in um 697 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,960 in the discussion with you. So we we 698 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,799 we're going to talk a bit about BC 699 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,039 Housing's mandate and our role. We're 700 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:42,480 going to talk about the current state of 701 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,039 shelters services in Quinnel and we're 702 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:47,200 going to talk about the future state or 703 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,200 the future opportunities for shelter 704 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,789 services in Quinnell. 705 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,799 BC Housing develops and manages and 706 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:56,720 administers a range of social housing 707 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,679 programs across the province. 708 00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:02,080 We work with people at all levels, 709 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,480 people at risk, be they homeless and 710 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,279 unhoused or be they elderly. And we work 711 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,120 with individuals and families to provide 712 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,279 affordable housing specifically for 713 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,360 people that can't afford the trai 714 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,679 traditional market housing. And we try 715 00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:17,440 to work within the context of the 716 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,640 community that we are in. Equally, we 717 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,559 provide housing services and support 718 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,399 services for women fleeing abuse and in 719 00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:27,590 transition. 720 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,320 I showed this slide to you before. This 721 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,159 is our sort of spectrum of of what we 722 00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:35,520 do. So the the on the far left side is 723 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,519 with lowincome unhoused people. It 724 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,679 provides shelters, provides supportive 725 00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:42,320 housing and in some respects you can see 726 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,120 that side for people elderly people in 727 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,960 assisted living. in the center. It's for 728 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,960 people who are able to maintain a 729 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,360 tendency, people that are liable to be 730 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,600 low income but still well enough to live 731 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,240 independently without supports. And as 732 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,919 you move further to the right of the of 733 00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:02,720 the spectrum, it's for people who are 734 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,880 regular working families who work 735 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,120 low-income jobs in your community. And 736 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,880 in some cases, we able to provide 737 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,760 housing to help um families to get into 738 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:18,070 home ownership. 739 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,000 So the current situation in Quinnal as 740 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,240 we understand it based on the point in 741 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,039 time count that was last done in 2025 742 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,440 there were 131 people identified as 743 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,799 living um outside. That was a 3% 744 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,880 increase from the previous year or 745 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,600 previous count in 2023. 746 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760 And we're proposing or we're discussing 747 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,240 a temporary winter shelter um as a way 748 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,000 to respond to the needs of some of that 749 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,750 population. 750 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,320 particularly during the the extreme 751 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,640 seasons that we have and winter 752 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,159 primarily. 753 00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:54,960 As as as we've mentioned, there's 25 754 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,200 shelter beds, permanent shelter beds at 755 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,720 Carson Street at Season's House. Um, and 756 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,480 up on the upper floor, there are 10 757 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,960 transitional housing units. Those are 758 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,279 essentially permanent housing for people 759 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:12,080 who are able to live independently. Um, 760 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,320 and 761 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,880 I guess the specific to that building 762 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,880 that as you probably know that building 763 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,279 is old. It's heavily used and it's in 764 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,919 very poor condition. And it's when we 765 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:26,080 talk about that other element around the 766 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,240 future conversation around shelters. 767 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,880 That's one of the factors is the age and 768 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,760 state and location of that property 769 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,840 and the capacity. 770 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,760 and that property is owned by BC 771 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,029 Housing. 772 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:42,799 We took some time since the last meeting 773 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:46,399 to review the the the um the December 774 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:48,559 meeting and the conversation or the 775 00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,240 points that were raised in that December 776 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,919 meeting. And so I'm going to try and 777 00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,760 speak to some of those in the upcoming 778 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,320 slides. 779 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,159 So a temporary winter shelter addresses 780 00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:00,640 the urgent need for additional shelter 781 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,159 units in extreme weather and in 782 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:04,960 particularly in cold weather. A shelter, 783 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,480 a temporary shelter provides a safe, 784 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,159 warm place to stay during the winter 785 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,800 months. Um, it provides critical or 786 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,159 life-saving um, spaces for people to be. 787 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,359 Um, and in doing that prevents strain on 788 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:20,480 other services, health and hospital and 789 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,800 police specifically. 790 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,440 In those programs, we provide food, some 791 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,480 meals, some some one-on-one supports, 792 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,839 some relationship building, some counsel 793 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:34,960 and advice um and referrals. The program 794 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,119 is open nightly and in many cases the 795 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:39,440 program is open 24/7 796 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,359 and typically they operate between 797 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:46,869 October and April. 798 00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:49,760 As Tammy mentioned, there were 80 799 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,839 individuals who used the shelter in the 800 00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:53,599 period that we operated from February to 801 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,639 April this year. Those 80 people used 802 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,040 the pillow 7286 803 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,720 times 804 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,839 and the average was eight guests in the 805 00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:08,150 night. 806 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,400 The program provides two meals a day. So 807 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,599 we provide people a a a dinner meal when 808 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,119 they come in in the evening and a 809 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:16,480 breakfast when they leave in the morning 810 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,320 before they leave in the morning. We 811 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,119 provide harm reduction supports be that 812 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,240 um supplies supports, referrals um and 813 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,320 assistance or referrals with other um 814 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,040 health related issues. We also provide 815 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,760 hygiene and and personal care like 816 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040 laundry, um showers, um and and 817 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,720 sometimes clothing and other essential 818 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:40,079 service supplies. And also provide those 819 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:42,079 those one-on-one check-ins for wellness 820 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,800 supports and and case planning where we 821 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,480 can or where people are wanting to take 822 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,599 those services. 823 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,200 During this year, we experienced some 824 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,800 challenges. 825 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,440 Um the the largest inc was an incident 826 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,680 that Tammy talked about where there was 827 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,079 a a violent character arrived at the 828 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,280 building unexpectedly caused some damage 829 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,240 um caused some threats um involved the 830 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,520 police and um and ultimately we closed 831 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,119 the property for about a week at that 832 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,000 time and from that point forward 833 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,400 Northern Health opted to relocate their 834 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,720 services. 835 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,800 There was another incident as well 836 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,880 around a loitering that was relatively 837 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,560 easy to um to resolve. 838 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,079 And one of the challenges of course is 839 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,079 again as Tammy mentioned is you know the 840 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,960 the the building has basic facilities, 841 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,560 bathrooms and a kitchen. It doesn't have 842 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,560 a shower. It doesn't really have laundry 843 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,160 services. It would be more ideal if 844 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,870 those were available on site 845 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,119 and it and and again the program was 846 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:46,560 closed in the mornings and it would 847 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,560 probably be more ideal if there was a 848 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,079 place for people to stay in the daytime 849 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:51,760 too. 850 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,079 We provided security throughout the term 851 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,160 of the program. Northern Health had 852 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,160 security on while they were in the 853 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,040 building. After they left the building, 854 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,440 we had the program operating in the 855 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,200 nighttime and we had security on in the 856 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,160 daytime. And from after when the program 857 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,240 concluded, we've had security patrols um 858 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,920 two in the daytime and two in the night 859 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,870 time since. 860 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,800 So the terms of the future planning, I 861 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,720 think there's kind of two levels. One, 862 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,320 we're we're here to request a um 863 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,560 continuation of the temporary use permit 864 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,400 so that we can provide these overnight 865 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,320 services at this location. Um and 866 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,320 secondarily to um to pursue a 867 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,400 conversation with you and with the 868 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,400 broader community about what shelter 869 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,800 services are needed and what would look 870 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,480 good in our community or in this 871 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,640 community and that would include the 872 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,920 kinds of services that should be 873 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,119 available and it would include 874 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,560 conversations about location and um and 875 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,160 whatever partnerships might go along 876 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,400 with that. The second or the other 877 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,720 element of that is, you know, we we want 878 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,200 to be able to support the city as much 879 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,599 as we can with respect to your cold 880 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:08,079 weather and warm weather um daytime 881 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:09,920 services as well that are funded through 882 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,400 emergency management. Um um or sorry, 883 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,430 and I forget their name, EMCR. 884 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,200 And then this last slide is just a bit 885 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,960 of a diagram about what we think some of 886 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,160 that dialogue would look like. um that 887 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,800 that and the upper half of that is, you 888 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,800 know, if if we're successful with you 889 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,720 tonight, then we will begin to um 890 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,480 prepare to open that property in 891 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,560 October. Um that we'll operate it 892 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:44,000 through to April. Um and that um um and 893 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,720 and and then with respect to your 894 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,960 programming, your cold weather service 895 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,880 programming, we're we're wanting to 896 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,440 offer access to that space for when 897 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,040 you're using that when you're running 898 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,040 your program in in the coldest weather 899 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,960 periods. And at the same time, um, we're 900 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,200 wanting to, we understand that, uh, 901 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,119 later in the agenda, staff are bringing 902 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,119 forward a conversation about 903 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,040 coordinating a shelter conversation, and 904 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,800 we want to be involved in that, and we 905 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,680 want to work with you about how, um, you 906 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,240 can provide or how we can have services 907 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:20,160 for people in your community. 908 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,599 And thank you for having me here. 909 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,190 >> Okay. Thank you for that. Going to 910 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:25,200 » Okay. Thank you for that. Going to 911 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,520 council for questions, comments. 912 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,000 Councelor McKelby, 913 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,680 away you go. 914 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,310 >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 915 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:34,320 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 916 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,240 And thank you, Tammy and David. Um, 917 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,560 I put some thoughts down, and you know, 918 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,640 they're probably not going to sit very 919 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,079 well with some of you. Um, 920 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:47,920 first of all, I'd like to say I have 921 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,760 profound admiration and gratitude for a 922 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,079 Cornell Shelter and Support Society and 923 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,960 the work that you all do. 924 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,520 I have toured all the facilities under 925 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,440 this umbrella. The Grace in season's 926 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,920 house and bridges supportive housing. 927 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,880 The work you do is often thankless, 928 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,640 extremely difficult and it is endless. 929 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,079 I know you are struggling. 930 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,720 I have had people contact me personally 931 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,280 that work with with uh the folks that 932 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,160 you do and they are 933 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,920 expressing their concerns with the state 934 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,000 of our concern with the state of our 935 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,720 community and their personal safety. 936 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,480 Citizens are calling me with their 937 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,359 apprehensions and anxieties with the 938 00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:37,200 condition of our community. 939 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,280 I feel like Cornell has stepped up in a 940 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,280 big way over the years to support our 941 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,280 vulnerable and marginalized community. 942 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,200 Sadly, the upshot as in other 943 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,880 communities as we are losing this 944 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,119 complex battle daily unlike anything 945 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,119 we've seen 946 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,040 and quite frankly don't want to see an 947 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,359 experience. 948 00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:57,440 Our community is being overrun with 949 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,680 blatant in-your-face drug addiction and 950 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,800 crime. I can go on and on with examples, 951 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,560 but we can all see with our own eyes 952 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,200 what we are dealing with. 953 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,960 I don't believe that 39 Elliot 395 954 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,920 Elliot Street is an ideal location at 955 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,040 this time. 956 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,920 Our local resources are completely 957 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,800 tapped. Ambulance, firefighters, police 958 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,920 funding, volunteers, the burnout. 959 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,960 Can we honestly propose another facility 960 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,160 when we are in a crisis already? 961 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,079 We will attract more of the same issues 962 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,760 if we go ahead with this in my opinion. 963 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,560 As a council elected to serve the entire 964 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,200 community, we have to know when enough 965 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,200 is enough. All of our citizens deserve 966 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,240 to feel safe, secure, and protected. And 967 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,200 they do not. Our businesses are losing 968 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,550 the battle every single day. 969 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,560 How do people living in the neighborhood 970 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,280 feel about another shelter facility so 971 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,960 close to where their children attend 972 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,800 school? 973 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,160 That's a big concern of mine. 974 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,319 How safe do they feel? How do the people 975 00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:12,720 in the neighborhood feel safe at night? 976 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,960 I've seen letters where they're, you 977 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,440 know, getting banged on their doors at 978 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,839 midnight or even later than that and 979 00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:22,800 it's quite terrifying. 980 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,720 Anyway, I know from some of the letters 981 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,800 I've seen that this is a reality and it 982 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,480 must be addressed. After the agonizing 983 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,079 consideration, 984 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,640 going through all the going through 985 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,520 everything, I honestly can't support 986 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,680 this temporary use permit. That's that's 987 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,240 my feeling. Thank you. 988 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,870 >> Okay. Thank you, Councelor McCelie. 989 00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:44,880 » Okay. Thank you, Councelor McCelie. 990 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,839 Anyone else? 991 00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:52,960 Okay. So, Councelor Rudenberg, 992 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,550 >> um, 993 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,160 so you have on here quite an extensive, 994 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,119 uh, community engagement timeline from 995 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:07,119 September through to January on um, I 996 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,880 guess it's the second to last slide. 997 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,800 Um, 998 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,440 what what does that mean? because we've, 999 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,240 you know, we've we've got this happening 1000 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,200 here. Um Tammy has talked about how 1001 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,560 they're trying to improve their 1002 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,520 community engagement. So, you have this 1003 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,240 happening from September through to 1004 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,040 January basically on not only the cold 1005 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,440 weather plan, but also future shelter 1006 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:42,470 and on the um the TWWS piece. Um, 1007 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,560 you know, in regards to what my 1008 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,000 colleague has just said, how again, how 1009 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,800 can you convince the community that 1010 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,520 they're going to be safe? I know it's 1011 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,400 not necessarily people who are all part 1012 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,920 of the shelter family, 1013 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,040 but our community does not feel safe. 1014 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,319 Um, and you know, the cost to our 1015 00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:08,800 communities, not only our our members 1016 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,760 feeling unsafe, but I think about um, 1017 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,680 you know, every time an ambulance has to 1018 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,680 go out, every time police have to go out 1019 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,560 to attend to an event, um, fire 1020 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,119 department, um, what does it cause the 1021 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:22,480 school district to clean up 1022 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,160 paraphernalia that's left in their 1023 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,319 yards? And I'm specifically talking 1024 00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:28,880 about the school right next to um, um, 1025 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,040 Riverview. Um, so we have to absorb 1026 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,280 those costs as a local government, 1027 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,359 school district. They're absorbing those 1028 00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:41,359 costs. How do we how do we sell this to 1029 00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:43,599 the community so that they understand? 1030 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,520 Well, so that they know that they can 1031 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,200 feel safe and work to make sure that 1032 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,800 some of the issues that we've seen in 1033 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,560 these letters are not happening. 1034 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,960 I know it's a big it's a broad question, 1035 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,640 but it's out there. Like people want to 1036 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,640 feel safe and they don't right now. When 1037 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,240 people are banging on the doors at 3:00 1038 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,480 in the morning or when they see an 1039 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,040 uptick in drug paraphernalia happening 1040 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,359 once this uh temporary winter shelter 1041 00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:12,640 opened, how do you make them how do you 1042 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,359 help them understand or how do you help 1043 00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:17,599 this program 1044 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,319 to make our community feel safe? 1045 00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:22,790 >> I think there's five levels of 1046 00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:22,800 » I think there's five levels of 1047 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,400 government probably that are in this 1048 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,760 conversation. the city, BC housing, the 1049 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,839 health authority, the school district, 1050 00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:32,560 the police come to mind. I think all of 1051 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,520 us have some responsibility in that. And 1052 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,160 I I read wrote some of this with the 1053 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,000 recognition of what I read in your 1054 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,800 agenda and what I understand your CEO 1055 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,880 has written about the city leading a 1056 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,440 conversation around shelter services. 1057 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,920 I've been hearing from your community in 1058 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,240 lots of different ways and lots of times 1059 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,560 about dis dissatisfaction with the 1060 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,720 shelter program that exists now, 1061 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,200 including its location. And I can tell 1062 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,119 by looking at it and I've been on the 1063 00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:03,119 inside of it as well. And I've been 1064 00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,520 saying to you too that it's overloaded. 1065 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,160 It's over full and it's not ideal. And 1066 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,599 we need to put it into a different 1067 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:11,760 location. The people that we're talking 1068 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,440 about live in your community. They're 1069 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,440 they're here. They've been here. They're 1070 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,680 going to be here. Whether we have this 1071 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,920 temporary shelter or not, I've never 1072 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,920 come to you and said that I think this 1073 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,319 is the best location. What I've said is 1074 00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:26,720 that this is a property that we own and 1075 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,760 that we can use, that we can invest in, 1076 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,520 and that is currently um compliant with 1077 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,160 the building code. I've been standing on 1078 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,319 the street corners with Tammy and Tanya 1079 00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:40,720 for 3 years, and we have not been able 1080 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,640 to identify another building that meets 1081 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,760 that ex that meets those basics. After 1082 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,880 that, I'm willing to sit with you 1083 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,119 throughout the conversation that you're 1084 00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,880 going to lead as I understand it and to 1085 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,119 and to engage that conversation with you 1086 00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,160 to listen to you. On a personal level, I 1087 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,599 don't know how I would deal with that 1088 00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:04,319 myself. On a professional level, I've 1089 00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:05,680 been working in the community social 1090 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,160 sector for 35 years. I don't know if 1091 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,319 I've done the right thing because I only 1092 00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:12,880 see the problem getting worse as do you. 1093 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,119 I don't know how to solve it. What I 1094 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:17,680 know is that if we provide these kinds 1095 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,240 of services, we save something like 50 1096 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:25,440 or $60,000 per year in the tax on tax 1097 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,680 meaning use by the health and police 1098 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,920 services. That by doing this kind of 1099 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,200 thing, we're reducing the um emergency 1100 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,520 response and we're able to at least 1101 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,520 manage the response for some of those 1102 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,760 people. I would be happy to run this 1103 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,800 program 24/7 if I could and I might be 1104 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,880 able to, but funding is a challenge. We 1105 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,480 didn't propose to do that last year 1106 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,880 because the ops was there. That would 1107 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,200 reduce some of that. I don't know how to 1108 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,359 speak to people's behaviors when they 1109 00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:55,520 leave the property. I think, you know, 1110 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,880 to the conversation that you had with 1111 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,119 Tammy earlier, we're dealing with human 1112 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:00,800 beings that have severe mental health 1113 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,800 issues. We're dealing with human beings 1114 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,040 that feel fundamentally isolated from 1115 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,880 community. They don't feel like they 1116 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,599 belong and so they don't care. And I I 1117 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:10,880 don't know what to do. That's not the 1118 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,240 way I raised my children. That's not the 1119 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:14,720 way my ch my parents raised me. That's 1120 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,800 not the way you are talking. But that's 1121 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,240 the human beings that we're dealing 1122 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,560 with. I don't think any of us have an 1123 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,119 answer to that. I think what we see is 1124 00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:26,480 severe addiction and severe mental 1125 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,800 health problems. And none of us have the 1126 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,280 resources to do it. All five of our 1127 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,680 government agencies have a mandate, a 1128 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,880 circle, and we work our brains out to 1129 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,520 fill that circle. But we none of us have 1130 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,240 the resources or even the mandate to 1131 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,880 look at the diamond between us and how 1132 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,040 it is that we can meet those needs. I 1133 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,720 have deep respect for the problems that 1134 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,200 the school district has. I'm happy to 1135 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,000 engage in every way that I can, but I 1136 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,720 don't have that mandate. My mandate is 1137 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,920 shelter. My mandate is housing. I don't 1138 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,520 I'm dealing with people with severe 1139 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,440 mental health problems, severe addiction 1140 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,839 problems, criminal behaviors all the 1141 00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:09,359 time. But my mandate is shelter and 1142 00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:12,160 that's all I can bring to you along with 1143 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,599 my commitment to engage with you and the 1144 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,839 rest of your community to provide try 1145 00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:20,480 and provide a solid service in a proper 1146 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,040 location. I've cast my brain around this 1147 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,720 town and I can't think of any 1148 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,800 neighborhood or any corner that's going 1149 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,480 to be ideal. I don't know what to say. 1150 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,349 >> So I I appreciate I can hear the passion 1151 00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:33,359 » So I I appreciate I can hear the passion 1152 00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:35,359 in your voice. You've been in the in in 1153 00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:38,000 social services for x number of years. 1154 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,480 Um and you talk about your mandate and I 1155 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,200 think therein lies some of the problem 1156 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,000 that there is no latitude allowed when 1157 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,359 you come to a community to be able to do 1158 00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:51,920 to be able to make it that big 1159 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,160 encompassing picture to be able to talk 1160 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,240 to the school district. you should be 1161 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,880 allowed to do that because the decisions 1162 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,319 that get made through BC Housing affects 1163 00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:05,280 those pieces of the community. So, 1164 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,400 that's not something we're going to 1165 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,880 solve here right now. I know that, but 1166 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,920 that it's that siloed mandate piece that 1167 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,079 drives me bonkers when they say, "Well, 1168 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,920 no, you know, we can't talk we can't 1169 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,599 talk with these guys because that's not 1170 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,400 what we're supposed to be doing." Um, 1171 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,240 and it's kind of like the whole, you 1172 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,440 know, where are we going to find the 1173 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,160 next place for the shelter? Well, you 1174 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,160 know, well, because this is what we need 1175 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,760 and we've always done it this way, so 1176 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:30,559 we're not going to be able to think 1177 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:32,559 outside the box. They don't allow us to 1178 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,559 think outside of the box because this is 1179 00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:36,960 just the way we've always done it. And 1180 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,640 I've heard this when I've talked about 1181 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,319 opportunities for other um areas where 1182 00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:45,520 say a shelter with a continuum piece 1183 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,160 could be built. Like I keep thinking, oh 1184 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,760 well, we have an old mall that needs to 1185 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,520 be ripped down. there's an opportunity 1186 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,839 to provide so many different levels of 1187 00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:57,599 housing plus anyway, but it's outside 1188 00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,520 the downtown core where all the services 1189 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,599 are provided. 1190 00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:03,359 But there's got to be a way of figuring 1191 00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:05,440 those kinds of pieces out. We've got to 1192 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,760 break the mold of well, we can't do it 1193 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,400 because everything is here because what 1194 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,760 we're seeing happening, especially in 1195 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,160 the west side of Quinnell, is everything 1196 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,920 is starting to be built up over on the 1197 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,839 west side. And that in itself is 1198 00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:19,920 concerning. um people don't want to 1199 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,760 invest in housing over there or they 1200 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,000 have housing and they don't invest to 1201 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,240 make them better because of issues that 1202 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,680 happen. So it you're right I don't have 1203 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,079 the answer for this but it makes it 1204 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,119 really hard to make um decisions on 1205 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,440 pieces like this when we know about that 1206 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,400 bigger picture. I think if I could, 1207 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,160 you're asking me what I'm going to do 1208 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,280 and I'm saying what are you going to do 1209 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,040 and I don't mean to be playing that game 1210 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,240 with you, but to your point, I think you 1211 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,880 have the the latitude to be able to lead 1212 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,160 us in that place and I'm looking to the 1213 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,040 city for guidance and leadership into 1214 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,920 that conversation because you do have 1215 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,559 more breadth and flexibility than I do 1216 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:10,480 and you have the ability to bring the 1217 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,839 rest of us together in that 1218 00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:15,670 conversation. 1219 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,280 » Okay, 1220 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,839 thank you for that and and really uh 1221 00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:21,920 thank you for the the last three 1222 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,319 speakers for your for your candandor. It 1223 00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:27,440 it's it's tough but uh it's good to sort 1224 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,160 of get that on the table. Uh are there 1225 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,440 any more councelor Runge? 1226 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,359 I think just as a general point also 1227 00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:36,720 there there actually are more than five 1228 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,800 governments involved here because we 1229 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,400 somehow have to move this issue because 1230 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,839 it's not a Cornell issue. It's not a 1231 00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:43,839 Vancouver issue. It's a Canada possibly 1232 00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:46,559 North America possibly world issue. We 1233 00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,359 have abilities at our ports with more 1234 00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:51,200 RCMP presence that the federal 1235 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,440 government should also be involved. I I 1236 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,280 you know I appreciate all these things 1237 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,960 that are happening. For me, it's just 1238 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,160 from a Cornell perspective, we have 1239 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,480 different 1240 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,800 places in the process of being built. 1241 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,760 Grace in partially built, not done. This 1242 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,520 temporary shelter, which personally I 1243 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,599 see in the future not being a temporary 1244 00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:14,480 shelter, but sliding into just possibly 1245 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,119 just another shelter. And that makes it 1246 00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,040 difficult, I think, for us to to say, 1247 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,119 "Hey, this sounds great." It's not and 1248 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:23,839 it's not to belittle the seriousness of 1249 00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:25,520 any of these issues because they're 1250 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,000 there, but it's about I think going to 1251 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,400 uh councelor Rudenberg's point about us 1252 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,640 looking at this 1253 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,640 possibly a little slower and saying, 1254 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,200 "Hey, this isn't working right now. Is 1255 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,280 there another way and coming through it, 1256 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,200 you know, back at it again?" And it, you 1257 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,720 know, I guess that's where our 1258 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,559 discussion here is really difficult with 1259 00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:48,160 this because for me a TUP puts red flags 1260 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,839 all over the place, you know, and it's 1261 00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:51,200 not the people in the shelter 1262 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,960 necessarily. It could be those kids 1263 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,480 coming on the bikes delivering things to 1264 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,319 them. It could be what happens 1265 00:53:56,319 --> 00:53:58,240 afterwards outside the shelter when we 1266 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,160 don't have the ability to say, "Hey, you 1267 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,319 know what? The things that our tourists 1268 00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:05,200 see, that our citizens see every day. We 1269 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,720 could see it most likely now if we drove 1270 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,880 down the street." and and those are the 1271 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,520 issues that as a council I think we 1272 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,119 really start to struggle with here. 1273 00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,030 >> I appreciate your struggle and I think 1274 00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:15,040 » I appreciate your struggle and I think 1275 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,000 we're going to see them whether you 1276 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,440 approve it or not and and I can see the 1277 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,359 vision that you just conveyed as well. 1278 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:23,599 It's not what I'm asking for. What I'm 1279 00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,240 asking for is an opportunity to run this 1280 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,000 program now to respond to the problem 1281 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,640 that we see now and to work with you 1282 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,119 over the next three years to come up 1283 00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,520 with the right thing in the right place 1284 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,720 as best we can here. 1285 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,440 Yeah, and I appreciate that. Like I 1286 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,960 share that concern for the vulnerable 1287 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,359 people, but you know what? Framing us as 1288 00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:47,440 framing this choice as accepted or 1289 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,559 people will suffer oversimplifies a 1290 00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,800 complex situation that we really can't 1291 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,960 answer here today. I just, you know, 1292 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,480 rather than, you know, being pressured 1293 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,000 to adopt this today, I'd rather consider 1294 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,720 that solution, considering the safety 1295 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,720 for our, you know, for our citizens, 1296 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,880 considering all of the things that were 1297 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,599 talked about. And I I believe that 1298 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,359 ultimately, like right currently, I I 1299 00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:12,960 believe that rejecting this proposal 1300 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,480 will push us to look at other options, 1301 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,400 other options where we collaborate more, 1302 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,559 we look for a stronger solution. So, I'm 1303 00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:21,760 committed to working with the community 1304 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,760 to identify that. But you know what? for 1305 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,160 myself right now. This won't be my 1306 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,640 choice. 1307 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,790 >> Okay. Thank you for that. Anyone else at 1308 00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:30,800 » Okay. Thank you for that. Anyone else at 1309 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,480 this point? 1310 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:33,829 >> Yes, Mr. Mayor. 1311 00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:33,839 » Yes, Mr. Mayor. 1312 00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:35,750 >> Oh, I'm sorry, Councelor Elliot. I 1313 00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:35,760 » Oh, I'm sorry, Councelor Elliot. I 1314 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,119 didn't see a hand. 1315 00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:38,870 >> Go ahead. 1316 00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:38,880 » Go ahead. 1317 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,950 >> No, it's all good. Thank you so much. 1318 00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:40,960 » No, it's all good. Thank you so much. 1319 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,880 And I want to thank the uh presenters 1320 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,720 for doing what they've done today. Um 1321 00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,440 it's it's a very very important topic 1322 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,119 and and it's a difficult situation. 1323 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,920 I feel that it's 1324 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,319 very easy to talk about a warming center 1325 00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:01,599 in the middle of summer and not see the 1326 00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:04,480 risks to individuals that that are at 1327 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,400 need. 1328 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,480 Um 1329 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,119 I don't feel personally that having a 1330 00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:13,920 warming warming center during the winter 1331 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,280 so we have occurrences of minus30 1332 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,920 um is going to bring people into town. I 1333 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,960 don't think it's going to make the 1334 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,760 situation worse. In fact, talking about 1335 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,280 knocking on doors at 3:00 in the 1336 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,119 morning, if if individuals are in a 1337 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:28,799 warming center and staying warm in the 1338 00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:29,839 middle of the night, they're probably 1339 00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:31,839 not going to be pounding on doors to try 1340 00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:35,200 and get into somewhere warm or to do 1341 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,480 whatever they're doing. 1342 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,440 We can we can pause on this for sure, 1343 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,319 but it's it just doesn't solve the it 1344 00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:47,200 just doesn't solve the problem for me. 1345 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,400 I think that we have to make a decision. 1346 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,119 And unlike another counselor, we can 1347 00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,520 make that decision tonight. Okay? We 1348 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,680 don't have to pause on this. We can have 1349 00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,680 the strength to move forward and show 1350 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,240 people that we care and that we're 1351 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,240 trying to keep them warm and trying to 1352 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,280 do the best for our constituents, for 1353 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,599 our people, especially those in need. I 1354 00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:12,640 understand the challenges that the 1355 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,559 businesses are going through. I truly 1356 00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:18,720 do. I see the downtown core myself, 1357 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,680 but I honestly don't think that offering 1358 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,720 16 warm beds at night is going to change 1359 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,880 that situation 1360 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,440 and make it worse. I think we're going 1361 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,599 to show compassion, possibly going to 1362 00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:34,079 save lives, 1363 00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,960 and that's why I'm ready to move forward 1364 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,319 for the betterment of the community in 1365 00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:41,200 in my opinion. Thank you. 1366 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,589 >> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Elliot. I'd 1367 00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:43,599 » Okay. Thank you, Councelor Elliot. I'd 1368 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,079 really like to before we get too far 1369 00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:49,040 down the road of of expressing 1370 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,079 which way we're going to vote on this at 1371 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:55,599 this point. I' I'd really like to hear 1372 00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:58,240 the count or the staff report and then 1373 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,119 because really this we have we have two 1374 00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:03,119 presentations. We have Quinnell Shelter 1375 00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,119 and Support Society whom we've heard 1376 00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,760 from. We've had BC Housing who we've 1377 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,520 heard from but we heard we haven't heard 1378 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,319 from staff. So, let's uh pause for a 1379 00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:14,880 moment and get that staff report uh 1380 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,799 dealt with and then and then have this 1381 00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:19,599 discussion. Are we okay with that? Okay, 1382 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:20,400 Tanya. Go ahead. 1383 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,710 >> Thank Thank you, sir. 1384 00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:22,720 » Thank Thank you, sir. 1385 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,589 >> I'm sorry. Go ahead, city manager. 1386 00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:25,599 » I'm sorry. Go ahead, city manager. 1387 00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:27,349 >> Yeah, Mr. Mayor. Just a moment so we can 1388 00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:27,359 » Yeah, Mr. Mayor. Just a moment so we can 1389 00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:30,319 excuse uh Mr. Shia and then change the 1390 00:58:30,319 --> 00:58:32,640 screen so that Councelor Elliot uh can 1391 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,640 be seen and seen uh see what's going on 1392 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,200 in the room and then we'll move through 1393 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,400 your agenda to item E1. 1394 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,880 Okay, we are take we're not taking a a 1395 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,040 refreshment or a hydration break. We're 1396 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:52,549 taking a technology break. 1397 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,280 Okay, there we can see councelor Elliot 1398 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,160 now. So, are we are we good to move on 1399 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,599 and to the uh the staff report? 1400 00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:04,880 Okay, Tanya, the floor is yours. 1401 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,990 >> Thank you, Mayor. And I think this is 1402 00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:06,000 » Thank you, Mayor. And I think this is 1403 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,280 just going to provide a really good 1404 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,680 summary of the whole issue before you go 1405 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,760 into um some deliberations on some 1406 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,920 decisions. Uh again, the purpose of this 1407 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,520 report is consideration of the 1408 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,359 continuation of the temporary use permit 1409 00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:19,599 for temporary winter shelter at 395 1410 00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,640 Elliot. BC Housing, as you know, uh 1411 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,920 applied for the use of a temporary 1412 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,880 winter shelter at 395 due to shel due to 1413 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,160 the current shelter at 146 Carson Avenue 1414 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,119 being at and over capacity in winter 1415 00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:35,359 seasons. um requiring staff to turn 1416 00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:39,040 persons away. The identification of 395 1417 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,119 Elliott occurred following a year of 1418 00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,280 searching for alternative locations. Um 1419 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,760 that was the a tense year. Uh as you 1420 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,119 know, we've been looking at other 1421 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,599 locations for a number of years. In 1422 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,000 December of 2025, council authorized the 1423 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,319 use of emergency shelter at 395 Elliot 1424 00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:56,559 subject to reconsideration following 1425 00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:57,920 additional reporting in what you're 1426 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,359 finding tonight. In June 23rd, um at 1427 01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:04,319 June 23rd, 20 2026, BC Housing and the 1428 01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:06,400 Quinnell Shelter Support Society 1429 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,799 presented to council on the prior year's 1430 01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:10,319 experience. 1431 01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:12,640 Council requested additional community 1432 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,799 notice of this consideration. Notice was 1433 01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:17,040 issued for this meeting um via 1434 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,799 newspaper, website, and direct mail to 1435 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:21,280 surrounding property owners. Submission 1436 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,040 submissions have been received, and 1437 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,200 there's 30 included uh in this report 1438 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,160 tonight. Uh, six letters were received 1439 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,760 identifying concerns regarding public 1440 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,000 safety and nuisances, and I'll go into 1441 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,040 those more more. They're all attached. 1442 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,280 Um, uh, 20 four letters were issued in 1443 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,920 support of the facility. Four of those 1444 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,319 submissions were from organizations with 1445 01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:45,920 within the community, and I'll go into 1446 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,680 those as well. Uh, as well as some of 1447 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,839 these supports. Um, submissions received 1448 01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:51,760 in December can also find in the be 1449 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,839 found in the package. um that was at the 1450 01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:55,920 original council uh consideration of 1451 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,720 this facility. At the June 23rd meeting, 1452 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,119 city staff also provided a plan for 1453 01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:03,520 shelter renewal in the community um as 1454 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,839 well as the cold weather plan recently 1455 01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:07,680 completed. And I just want to go back 1456 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,920 and definitely state the plan that we're 1457 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,720 referencing um that was part of uh BC 1458 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,240 Housing's uh um uh presentation in terms 1459 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,119 of consultation is a plan we prepared. 1460 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:21,119 So um and we are sharing and trying to 1461 01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:24,079 partner with the BC housing on doing uh 1462 01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:26,720 and was pro provided at that June 23rd 1463 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,760 meeting. BC Housing's application and 1464 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,680 consideration is for the temporary 1465 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,920 winter shelter operating October through 1466 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,240 May for the next two years. That's the 1467 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,440 nighttime winter shelter. Uh a separate 1468 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,680 initiative to work with BC H housing to 1469 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,640 find the loca a new location for shelter 1470 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,160 services to replace 146 Carson has been 1471 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,559 approved by council. So that that that 1472 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,240 consultation was something we reviewed 1473 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:53,920 and actually provide a resolution to 1474 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,720 approve. The warming and cooling center 1475 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,119 is funding only available to local 1476 01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:01,280 governments. So when we keep talking 1477 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,559 about the warming centers, that's 1478 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:06,960 something that we organize and approve 1479 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,119 or not. If council approves 1480 01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:12,640 contracting the service at the Cornell 1481 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,160 Shelter and Support Society to run out 1482 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,119 of 395 Elliot, that would be for the 1483 01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:19,520 daytime hours when there are emergency 1484 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,280 conditions prescribed by the cold 1485 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,799 weather and extreme weather response 1486 01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:24,559 plans. That's something that the 1487 01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:28,640 government and which uh um Tammy uh from 1488 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:29,920 through the Quinnell Shelter Support 1489 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,720 Society has identified is a very awkward 1490 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,720 system. We that we've continuously 1491 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:35,920 mentioned to council through the 1492 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,839 government. uh the separation of those 1493 01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:39,359 two things into two different funding 1494 01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:41,839 agencies has created a lot of uh 1495 01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:44,079 difficulties with us in terms of trying 1496 01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,559 to organize these types of facilities um 1497 01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:48,559 as well as for uh the Quendel shelter 1498 01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:51,440 support study um in trying to manage the 1499 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,280 population. 1500 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,440 The shelter beds in comparable 1501 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,880 communities are also attached for 1502 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,720 consideration and we've put those in 1503 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,559 just so that you can see the number of 1504 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:03,599 shelters that are um uh in various 1505 01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,680 communities and and the fact that we are 1506 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,079 really not outside of the norm for with 1507 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:09,760 respect to and that includes with the 1508 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,760 additional 16 um shelter spaces in like 1509 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,069 communities. 1510 01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:22,799 So, I would go to um uh the chair to 1511 01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,000 determine should we go into the 1512 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,280 resolution right now or would you like 1513 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:26,880 more comments? 1514 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,630 >> I think you could uh read the 1515 01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:28,640 » I think you could uh read the 1516 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,039 recommendation and I'll I'll call for a 1517 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:32,880 mover and second and we'll get it on the 1518 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,079 floor and then we'll have some 1519 01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:35,119 discussion. 1520 01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,109 >> Thank you, mayor. The the recommendation 1521 01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:37,119 » Thank you, mayor. The the recommendation 1522 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:39,039 is that council endorse continuation of 1523 01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:41,119 the temporary w temporary shelter under 1524 01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:44,880 the temporary use permit TUS 1525 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,640 202506 at 395 Elliot Street and that 1526 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,480 council endorse staff developing an 1527 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,480 agreement to utilize 395 Elliot for a 1528 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,319 warming and cooling center during 1529 01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:57,119 periods of extreme weather as defined in 1530 01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:59,200 the city's cold weather and extreme heat 1531 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,440 plans. 1532 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,470 >> Okay. So, a mover. 1533 01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:04,480 » Okay. So, a mover. 1534 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,640 Are we having 1535 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,069 >> Sorry. Councelor Rudenberg is moving. Do 1536 01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:10,079 » Sorry. Councelor Rudenberg is moving. Do 1537 01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:10,880 we have a second? 1538 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:11,829 >> Councelor Elliot. 1539 01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:11,839 » Councelor Elliot. 1540 01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:14,309 >> Councelor Elliott is seconding. Okay, 1541 01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:14,319 » Councelor Elliott is seconding. Okay, 1542 01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:16,240 we're on the floor now. I'm opening it 1543 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,079 for council discussion. anybody 1544 01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:22,079 before I I'm 1545 01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:22,789 >> just 1546 01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:22,799 » just 1547 01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:24,789 >> I'm not I hope I don't have to call the 1548 01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:24,799 » I'm not I hope I don't have to call the 1549 01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:27,280 question yet but uh because I've got 1550 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:28,240 some comments but I'm 1551 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,710 >> but we were going to have 1552 01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:30,720 » but we were going to have 1553 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,910 >> gallery I I want council first 1554 01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:33,920 » gallery I I want council first 1555 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,839 if if you think that we could what's 1556 01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:37,280 your choice council would you like to 1557 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,000 hear from the gallery first and then ask 1558 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,799 your questions I thought that I may be 1559 01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:45,200 doing it the the other way around but 1560 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,000 what's your pleasure councel 1561 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,079 Go ahead, Councelor Elliot or pardon me, 1562 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:50,880 Council Run. 1563 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,910 >> I prefer public input, please. 1564 01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:53,920 » I prefer public input, please. 1565 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,630 >> First, okay. Are are we okay with uh 1566 01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:56,640 » First, okay. Are are we okay with uh 1567 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,280 inviting um gallery questions at this 1568 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,720 point? 1569 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,150 >> I have a question, Mr. Mayor. 1570 01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:02,160 » I have a question, Mr. Mayor. 1571 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,230 >> Go ahead. 1572 01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:04,240 » Go ahead. 1573 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:05,670 >> Yeah. I'm curious, as you mentioned 1574 01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:05,680 » Yeah. I'm curious, as you mentioned 1575 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,359 before, this is the first time that this 1576 01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:08,960 has taken place where we have the 1577 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,200 gallery questions ahead of where it's 1578 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,799 scheduled on the agenda. How did we come 1579 01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:14,559 up with that, please? Because I don't 1580 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:16,079 remember. If I missed it, I do 1581 01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:17,599 apologize, but I don't remember anything 1582 01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:19,119 coming to council. 1583 01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:21,750 >> Well, we we I discussed it with staff uh 1584 01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:21,760 » Well, we we I discussed it with staff uh 1585 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,960 earlier today and we felt it was uh more 1586 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,839 beneficial that council makes their 1587 01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:31,359 decision in light of any questions that 1588 01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:34,160 come from the gallery because if the if 1589 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,119 the decision is made, uh those questions 1590 01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:39,200 from the gallery are really a moot 1591 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,760 point. That's my point. Go ahead, 1592 01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:42,640 councelor Run. 1593 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,190 >> I get it. I get it. If I could just uh 1594 01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:45,200 » I get it. I get it. If I could just uh 1595 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,680 complete my thought here. Um I 1596 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,920 understand 100% how that works. It's 1597 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,920 just it's never been done before. So I 1598 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,119 think we're kind of setting precedent 1599 01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:55,280 here on on how we uh operate our 1600 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,000 meetings from now on. Thank you. 1601 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,230 >> Actually, if I may, Councelor Elliot, we 1602 01:06:00,230 --> 01:06:00,240 » Actually, if I may, Councelor Elliot, we 1603 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,839 actually had a discussion right at the 1604 01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:03,520 beginning when we're setting the agenda 1605 01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,440 and I requested that this be put in at 1606 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:06,960 this time and we changed the agenda 1607 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,880 right in the prior in the beginning part 1608 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,359 of the meeting. 1609 01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:14,710 >> Okay. So thank you for that. Uh now I'm 1610 01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:14,720 » Okay. So thank you for that. Uh now I'm 1611 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,839 ready to entertain questions and it's 1612 01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:19,920 again it's not debate it it's not 1613 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,400 comments it's not this or that it it is 1614 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,200 pure questions. 1615 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,910 >> So u can we go ahead with that and when 1616 01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:27,920 » So u can we go ahead with that and when 1617 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,400 you do come up to the microphone we just 1618 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,720 ask that you uh give us your name for 1619 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,799 the record and proceed with your 1620 01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:36,480 question. 1621 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,359 Do I have any takers? 1622 01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:50,069 Come on up sir. 1623 01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:54,240 John River 221 Enark Road South. I've 1624 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,640 come here this evening to talk about or 1625 01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,880 listen about a a warming center, a 1626 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,400 cooling center, but unfortunately we've 1627 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,240 added 1628 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,559 everything else. drug addiction, 1629 01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:10,960 homelessness, 1630 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,440 the whole umbrella and said this 1631 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,599 cooling, this shelter is no good because 1632 01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:18,160 of all these problems. 1633 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,400 We need to concentrate, can we 1634 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,680 concentrate on the the shelter itself 1635 01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,039 and not bog oursel down with 1636 01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:29,039 everything else? 1637 01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:32,720 So your question then is can we should 1638 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,720 concentrate on the shelter and not all 1639 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,720 of the other complexities that are 1640 01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:37,839 plaguing us 1641 01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:40,069 >> and say that the shelter is not good 1642 01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:40,079 » and say that the shelter is not good 1643 01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:42,640 because of that 1644 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,549 >> as I said at the outset of the meeting 1645 01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:44,559 » as I said at the outset of the meeting 1646 01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,520 that's as the chair and the pilot here 1647 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,520 that that is my goal to try to keep 1648 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,559 everybody on track so that um we are 1649 01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:55,839 really just talking and deciding about 1650 01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:56,799 the shelter. 1651 01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:57,750 >> Okay. So if I can 1652 01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:57,760 » Okay. So if I can 1653 01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:58,309 >> Okay. Thank you. 1654 01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:58,319 » Okay. Thank you. 1655 01:07:58,319 --> 01:07:59,990 >> I can see that happening. I would be 1656 01:07:59,990 --> 01:08:00,000 » I can see that happening. I would be 1657 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,760 greatly appreciated. Thank you. 1658 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,829 >> Thank you. Anyone else from the gallery? 1659 01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:05,839 » Thank you. Anyone else from the gallery? 1660 01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:09,510 Come on up, sir. 1661 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,440 » We just need your name. We don't need 1662 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,200 your rank and serial number. Just your 1663 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:25,030 name. 1664 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,759 » My name is Tom Sally. Um, I retired from 1665 01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:30,080 working in this exact field that you 1666 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,600 guys are talking about. And I agree with 1667 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,319 the guy over there that this should be 1668 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,600 about getting more services here. And my 1669 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,199 question is, if this is such a big deal 1670 01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:45,520 to each of the counselors and to city 1671 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,120 hall, how come you haven't brought the 1672 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,359 five parties 1673 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:54,239 together to make a plan regardless of 1674 01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:57,839 what facilities you have? 1675 01:08:57,839 --> 01:08:58,630 >> Thank you. 1676 01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:58,640 » Thank you. 1677 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,709 >> Okay, that that's a very good question. 1678 01:09:00,709 --> 01:09:00,719 » Okay, that that's a very good question. 1679 01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:02,149 >> How come the counselors haven't done 1680 01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:02,159 » How come the counselors haven't done 1681 01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:02,960 this? 1682 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,590 >> Well, no, we have we have done a lot. So 1683 01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:05,600 » Well, no, we have we have done a lot. So 1684 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,679 Tanya, do you want to just bring bring 1685 01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:09,920 everyone up to speed on on you know we 1686 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,480 we have a plan and and this is this is 1687 01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:14,719 all part of it. I mean this this is not 1688 01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:16,159 the first time that we've had this 1689 01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:17,440 discussion. 1690 01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:19,590 >> Thank you. Yes, I would suggest that 1691 01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:19,600 » Thank you. Yes, I would suggest that 1692 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,960 we've been having this discussion about 1693 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,480 as long as I've been working for the 1694 01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:25,759 city. So there's been numerous suggest 1695 01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:29,199 discussions. There's been numerous um um 1696 01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:31,120 applications that have been made. Um 1697 01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:32,719 we've been at this table a number of 1698 01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:35,600 times and I think the uh the concerns 1699 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,839 that have been brought up are absolutely 1700 01:09:37,839 --> 01:09:41,759 valid on all fronts. Um and I think that 1701 01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:43,920 the uh the concern the the discussion 1702 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,960 about uh that there is a growing issue 1703 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,319 that is that is plaguing the broader the 1704 01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,560 broader uh society that just our 1705 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,040 community is very valid and it's about 1706 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,360 what do we choose to do in order to 1707 01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,840 respond to those those issues to best 1708 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,560 protect our community. 1709 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,030 >> Okay, thank you for that. Uh come on up. 1710 01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:05,040 » Okay, thank you for that. Uh come on up. 1711 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,280 Yes, please. Uh just your name and your 1712 01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:07,920 question, please. 1713 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,430 >> Mr. Mayor, if if I may just interject, I 1714 01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:11,440 » Mr. Mayor, if if I may just interject, I 1715 01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:13,360 just want to add a comment to what Tanya 1716 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,080 is saying and uh the member of the 1717 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,320 gallery is welcome to sit down while I 1718 01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,120 add my comment. So certainly to Tanya's 1719 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,120 point uh yeah this has been an ongoing 1720 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,520 conversation but but to answer that 1721 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,520 gallery question so if you go back to 1722 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,920 the June meeting at that point in time 1723 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,880 council did endorse the engagement 1724 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,880 strategy for how we were going to work 1725 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,560 with all of these different entities 1726 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,880 around the community uh but also senior 1727 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,480 levels of government to come up with a 1728 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:43,360 long-term strategy for a replacement of 1729 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,760 the existing shelter in the community. 1730 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,320 Tonight's question is limited to the 1731 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,440 temporary use permit of 395 Elliott. And 1732 01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:53,679 the reason why for for the community's 1733 01:10:53,679 --> 01:10:56,320 knowledge and the gallery's knowledge, 1734 01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,480 the reason why that is separated out is 1735 01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,640 that engagement strategy with the 1736 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,040 community for a long-term shelter 1737 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,880 solution is going to take significant 1738 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,280 time. This specific issue was forwarded 1739 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,280 by BC Housing following the temporary 1740 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:10,960 use permit that was granted at the end 1741 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,679 of December asking for a continued 1742 01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:16,080 operation for the next two years. So 1743 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:17,520 those two things have been separated 1744 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,679 out. Uh but just for the gallery and the 1745 01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:21,920 community's knowledge, that plan is 1746 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,400 absolutely what staff have been directed 1747 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,280 now to carry out over the next number of 1748 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,920 months into 2027 to come up with that 1749 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,159 long-term strategy which involves the 1750 01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:34,719 engagement of a variety of stakeholders 1751 01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:37,120 from throughout the community. 1752 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,280 Uh thank you for that. And and tonight 1753 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,840 is really all a part of that plan. And I 1754 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,400 believe it was uh June 23, not that long 1755 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,000 ago that that uh the council um set this 1756 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,199 in in gear. Uh is there anything else 1757 01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:52,880 from the gallery before 1758 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:53,830 >> she's sitting down there? 1759 01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:53,840 » she's sitting down there? 1760 01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,430 >> Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. There you are. 1761 01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:55,440 » Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. There you are. 1762 01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:57,280 I I was looking in the gallery for you. 1763 01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:57,920 Go ahead. 1764 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,310 >> Not a worry, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Uh 1765 01:12:00,310 --> 01:12:00,320 » Not a worry, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Uh 1766 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:01,840 Mr. Mayor and Council, my name is 1767 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,800 Michael Vaughn. Um, my question for you 1768 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,560 is about the resolution and to to pay 1769 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,800 you the respect because I know you are 1770 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,120 very concerned about people freezing to 1771 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,000 death in extreme weather. You wish to 1772 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,719 see lives saved. My question to you in 1773 01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:22,320 relation to this resolution is what 1774 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,719 exactly is the alternative? 1775 01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:27,199 Um, it was unclear to me in looking at 1776 01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:28,880 this permit that there was an 1777 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,040 alternative on the floor that would keep 1778 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,960 people alive in extreme weather during 1779 01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,880 the winter. So, that is my question. 1780 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,719 Thank you. 1781 01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:38,470 >> Okay, thank you for that. Uh, does 1782 01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:38,480 » Okay, thank you for that. Uh, does 1783 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:41,520 anyone uh want to take a a shot at this 1784 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,080 one? It's it's a very u pertinent and 1785 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,679 relevant question. I mean, I I don't 1786 01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:49,520 personally I don't think there is an 1787 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,120 alternative. Um, but I know that 1788 01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,600 there's, you know, some concern about 1789 01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:00,159 the location, uh, and and how that melds 1790 01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:02,719 into the the overall plan. Does anyone 1791 01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:05,760 else want to jump in here? Councelor 1792 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,239 Councelor Rudenberg. 1793 01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:10,560 Um, so I know I've come across as quite 1794 01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,520 the negative Nelly tonight. And what I 1795 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,360 want to make clear is this is what I've 1796 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,120 heard from community members that I've 1797 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,520 spoken to. not necessarily my own 1798 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,679 beliefs, but what I've heard, and I 1799 01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:23,440 needed to put that out there so that 1800 01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,840 they know that they've been heard by 1801 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:29,520 people who they represent. Um, I 1802 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,679 understand that we need to protect our 1803 01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:33,520 vulnerable population, especially in 1804 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,360 extreme weather. I get that. Whether 1805 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,520 it's cold or heat, do we have an 1806 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,280 alternative? 1807 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:43,440 Not right now. Um, if we were to build 1808 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:46,320 um this amazing shelter in the near 1809 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,120 future that has opportunities to house 1810 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,920 temporary winter um uh uh groups and 1811 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:58,480 offer cold and warm weather uh shelter. 1812 01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:01,679 That would be a bonus. That that would 1813 01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:04,640 be the best thing that could happen. We 1814 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,840 don't have that right now. Um, I think 1815 01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,880 that, you know, and I apologize. I'm 1816 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,480 probably one of the ones that kind of 1817 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,960 went off in every different tangent you 1818 01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,239 could think about. So, thank you for 1819 01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:19,120 getting us back on track about this 1820 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,080 particular piece. Um, 1821 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:23,760 it will be an interesting vote around 1822 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,840 the table. I think that post vote, we 1823 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,880 have to look back at our um 1824 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,320 community uh plan bylaw where it talks 1825 01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,719 about working with in partnership with 1826 01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:38,800 other levels of government, community 1827 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,159 organizations, and service providers and 1828 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:44,480 make these other pieces happen. It's 1829 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,560 about how do we change mandates. It's 1830 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,400 about all of those conversations that we 1831 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,360 need to have in the future to create 1832 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,159 opportunities for proper housing for our 1833 01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:57,120 entire community. The one thing that I 1834 01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,280 know that people are concerned about is 1835 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,880 about the whole sliding um Elliot Street 1836 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,719 into a full-time shelter space. And 1837 01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:09,040 that's what people do not want to see. 1838 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,480 They want to see the proper um uh 1839 01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,560 communication with the community about 1840 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,280 what another shelter looks like. They 1841 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,520 don't want to see this sliding into 1842 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,960 another full-time shelter. Um but 1843 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,440 offering those services that we need to 1844 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,520 make sure that vulnerable populations 1845 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,840 are safe. 1846 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,199 They agree with that. Um I'll leave it 1847 01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:35,360 at that. Mayor. 1848 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,430 >> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Rudenberg. 1849 01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:37,440 » Okay. Thank you, Councelor Rudenberg. 1850 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:40,400 Councelor Runge 1851 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,390 >> and you know it's it's tough on us to 1852 01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:42,400 » and you know it's it's tough on us to 1853 01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,960 say hey this choice is accepted or they 1854 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,960 will suffer. We know there's suffering 1855 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,199 out there but like I said before it 1856 01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:52,080 really oversimplifies this situation and 1857 01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,000 it limits what we consider as 1858 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,000 alternatives. So are there alternatives? 1859 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,000 Yes, I think there are alternatives. 1860 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,080 Maybe we could bring a trailer in. Maybe 1861 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,679 uh you know BC Housing can bring a 1862 01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:03,760 trailer in just or maybe they we could 1863 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,840 work a little quicker to uh build Grace 1864 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,159 in so it you know meets its mandate. You 1865 01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:09,600 know there's all these other things that 1866 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,920 are in process that are slowed down cuz 1867 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,640 we don't have money from BC housing. 1868 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,560 this could actually change a little bit 1869 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,800 and we push these things to a better 1870 01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,679 solution there and build it up instead 1871 01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:23,120 of just saying, you know what, we're 1872 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,679 going to just open another place, which 1873 01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:27,840 as the counselor previous to me just 1874 01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,400 said, we really worry that it's going to 1875 01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,600 just slide into another 1876 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,760 shelter. And for the people that say it 1877 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,040 doesn't cause extra hotspots for our for 1878 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,199 our RCMP, our police, our fire 1879 01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:44,880 departments, unfortunately, it does. 1880 01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,640 So, 1881 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,960 you know, I to say, you know, that we're 1882 01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,360 finding this easy to make this decision, 1883 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,040 you know, I just can't answer that, you 1884 01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,159 know, because it's that's not really 1885 01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:59,440 what we're at here. 1886 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:01,830 >> In this moment of pause, I'm going to 1887 01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:01,840 » In this moment of pause, I'm going to 1888 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,440 come back to you, Joanie, but I got to 1889 01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:05,679 say that uh and I I think I'm sort of 1890 01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:08,960 sharing um the view of this entire 1891 01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,159 council. If anything keeps us awake at 1892 01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:15,280 night, it is this. 1893 01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,120 Forget about gold pans, forget about 1894 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,600 bridges, forget about interconnectors. 1895 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,840 This this is the sleep robber. Okay, I'm 1896 01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,080 going to Joanie Davis next for the 1897 01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:30,630 >> Yes, I pushed the button already. 1898 01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:30,640 » Yes, I pushed the button already. 1899 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:34,630 >> Hello, my name is Joanie Davis. Um, 1900 01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:34,640 » Hello, my name is Joanie Davis. Um, 1901 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,760 I think what you said, uh, Council Rangi 1902 01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,080 just said it perfectly. We all have very 1903 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,199 big hearts. Um, my question is going to 1904 01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:46,560 go back to uh I believe it's Tammy. I I 1905 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,360 have I'm looking for clarity on who are 1906 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,239 those the bodies that are not giving you 1907 01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:54,719 the information. I would like to know 1908 01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:56,400 who they are and what bodies are you 1909 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,480 having issues with? Who are the 1910 01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:00,880 department heads of those bodies? And I 1911 01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,080 believe we need to get together 1912 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,400 all levels of government and get 1913 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,560 accountable 1914 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,280 because I believe that if the plane's 1915 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,199 going down, you put your own mask on 1916 01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:15,440 first. We need you to put your mask on 1917 01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:18,480 first so then we can help other people. 1918 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,760 That's my point. And I think there's a 1919 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,320 lot of government bodies out there that 1920 01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,280 are not being accountable to what this 1921 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,560 situation is. And I believe as a small 1922 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,159 town, we can lead this mission by 1923 01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:37,199 example in British Columbia if we do it 1924 01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:39,920 together. We all have big hearts. We all 1925 01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,719 want to do the right thing, but we have 1926 01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:46,320 to put our masks on first and care for 1927 01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,040 what we have now. 1928 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,120 That's what I have to say. 1929 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,430 >> Okay. Thank you, Joanie. And I I really 1930 01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:53,440 » Okay. Thank you, Joanie. And I I really 1931 01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:59,520 do like the mask uh analogy. Um, so is 1932 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,679 where's the representative for the 1933 01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:03,920 shelter society? 1934 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,280 Can we get an answer to that or um any 1935 01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,360 kind of a comment? The the co the 1936 01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,880 question was really um directed to the 1937 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,000 um the shelter society I believe. 1938 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,960 Correct me if I'm wrong. 1939 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,110 >> Who are these governing bodies? Who are 1940 01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:21,120 » Who are these governing bodies? Who are 1941 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,159 you having 1942 01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:28,550 >> mayor? stuff. I think that was the 1943 01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:28,560 » mayor? stuff. I think that was the 1944 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,470 >> just just in terms of the point, we 1945 01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:30,480 » just just in terms of the point, we 1946 01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:32,560 typically don't have questions going 1947 01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,840 back and forth to to the gallery. 1948 01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,830 >> Okay. Thank you for that. All right. So, 1949 01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:37,840 » Okay. Thank you for that. All right. So, 1950 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,640 let's move on and see if there's here's 1951 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,640 another one. Come on up. Just your name 1952 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:49,270 and and your question, please. 1953 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:53,120 Hello, my name is Lisa Budro and I am 1954 01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,280 the board chair of the school district 1955 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,320 28. Um, with me I have superintendent 1956 01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,040 Lounge. I have trustee vice chair Honey 1957 01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,159 Affleck, trustee Julianne Runge, Trustee 1958 01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:06,159 David Chapman, and of course at your 1959 01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:09,040 table you have trustee Tony Goule. Um, I 1960 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,440 do have a question. Um, but I will start 1961 01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:14,000 just by saying I do um or school 1962 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,920 district 28 does recognize the 1963 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,040 complexity of this issue and this work. 1964 01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,880 Um, we appreciate the work being done by 1965 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,440 those who are trying to help. We have a 1966 01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:25,120 responsibility to ensure that our 1967 01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,280 schools remain safe learning and work 1968 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:28,880 environments for our students and our 1969 01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,679 staff. We have continued to experience a 1970 01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:33,120 number of incidents at Riverview 1971 01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,800 Elementary School that are directly 1972 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,360 impacting the school community. Every 1973 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,920 incident requires time, resources, and 1974 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,679 attention from our educators and school 1975 01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:43,920 district 28 staff that would otherwise 1976 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,679 be dedicated to supporting the students 1977 01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:47,440 in learning. 1978 01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:49,600 School District 28 supports the initi 1979 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,920 initiative and recognizes its important 1980 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,760 while also emphasizing the need for 1981 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,840 ongoing and increased supports to ensure 1982 01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,520 the safety and well-being of our 1983 01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,159 students and our staff. Our students and 1984 01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:02,400 staff deserve to learn and work in an 1985 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,159 environment where they feel safe every 1986 01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:07,360 single day. I respectfully ask that 1987 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,360 students and staff remain the guiding 1988 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,920 principle as your decision comes upon 1989 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,960 you tonight and um keeping in mind as a 1990 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,360 guiding principle um as you guys move 1991 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,030 forward in this work. 1992 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,120 » Okay. So, 1993 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,679 I'm I'm I'm at a bit of a loss on how to 1994 01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:27,679 handle that one. Is there any council 1995 01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:29,920 member that wants to jump in on this or 1996 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:35,270 uh 1997 01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:36,880 » that's okay. We can leave it at that 1998 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,280 too. Just keep kids in mind. 1999 01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:43,510 >> Okay. Well, thank you. Uh duly noted and 2000 01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:43,520 » Okay. Well, thank you. Uh duly noted and 2001 01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,840 and good for the good for the school 2002 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,800 district chair and another uh trustee to 2003 01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,280 be here. Maybe there Oh, another one 2004 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:55,920 too. So, holy smokes, we got quorum. 2005 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,760 Okay, 2006 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,470 >> go ahead. Councelor Runge, 2007 01:22:00,470 --> 01:22:00,480 » go ahead. Councelor Runge, 2008 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:02,709 >> thank you. Thanks for being here. 2009 01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:02,719 » thank you. Thanks for being here. 2010 01:22:02,719 --> 01:22:04,400 Michael, I I do have a question with 2011 01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:08,800 regards to I guess Elliot Street. Did 2012 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,760 were did you have an increase of any 2013 01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,000 incidents from the January to March time 2014 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,840 or April time over previous years? 2015 01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,070 >> Thank you. I'm actually going to look at 2016 01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:20,080 » Thank you. I'm actually going to look at 2017 01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:21,840 uh Superintendent Lens to see if he can 2018 01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,719 better answer that for you. 2019 01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:30,470 Sorry, 2020 01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:32,080 put you in a hot seat. 2021 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,070 >> That's okay. 2022 01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:34,080 » That's okay. 2023 01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,360 Good evening everyone. I'm 2024 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:36,800 Superintendent Dan Louns from School 2025 01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,480 District 28. Uh, thank you for the 2026 01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:41,760 question, counselor. Um, anecdotally, 2027 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,239 um, not a not a significant increase, 2028 01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:48,400 um, between, um, December, um, until 2029 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,199 now. um at Riverview. I can tell you um 2030 01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:54,480 that um Riverview Elementary and Helen 2031 01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:57,120 Dixon Center are definitely our two hot 2032 01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,760 spot uh school locations um for 2033 01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:04,159 troubling situations. Um we did we in 2034 01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:06,320 the for the previous uh council meeting 2035 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,520 we did, you know, sort of at a high 2036 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,840 level describe some of the concerns. Um 2037 01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,080 the concerns haven't reduced by any 2038 01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,400 stretch. Um but I don't have specific 2039 01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,920 data on the number of incidents. Um the 2040 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,520 incidents have been reported to RCMP to 2041 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,880 bylaw etc. as well as a number of um 2042 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,639 ongoing concerns dealt with at the 2043 01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:30,400 school level. Um whether we're talking 2044 01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,600 about cleaning up of paraphernalia 2045 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,560 um weapons, pillows, all sorts of things 2046 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:37,840 that are that are found early in the 2047 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,000 morning usually by the school principal. 2048 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,080 Um and then there have been a number of 2049 01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,880 cases that um you know it have been a 2050 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,199 spectrum of u response um from folks 2051 01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:51,600 entering the school um to being on 2052 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,000 school site um that needed either RCMP 2053 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:58,560 or bylaw um intervention to to support. 2054 01:23:58,560 --> 01:23:59,679 I'm not sure if that answers your 2055 01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:01,760 question. 2056 01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,750 >> Thank you. Hey, in a perfect world, data 2057 01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:03,760 » Thank you. Hey, in a perfect world, data 2058 01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:08,000 is great. Thank you very much. 2059 01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,470 >> Okay, thank you for that. Uh, anyone 2060 01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:10,480 » Okay, thank you for that. Uh, anyone 2061 01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:13,440 else want to brave the microphone? Dan, 2062 01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:19,030 no, you're you're okay. 2063 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,120 Uh, one minute. We got one coming up 2064 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:27,750 behind U. 2065 01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:32,550 Yeah, you're up, Cleo. 2066 01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:39,030 Press the Press the red button. 2067 01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:39,679 There we go. 2068 01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:41,910 >> Thank you. 2069 01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:41,920 » Thank you. 2070 01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,560 My name is Cleo. 2071 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,480 I'm a 75year-old woman who has been 2072 01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:52,639 working on our streets for a long time. 2073 01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:55,360 And 2074 01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,840 I'm a country girl. I try to think of 2075 01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,320 things simply. 2076 01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:04,880 Uh, one of the discussions was 2077 01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:09,679 when people leave the shelter facility, 2078 01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:11,679 why is the shelter being held 2079 01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:14,639 responsible for the behavior? 2080 01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:16,159 Um, 2081 01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:20,400 if you have a a pet that leaves your 2082 01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,520 premises and misbehaves, 2083 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,400 if you have a family member who leaves 2084 01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,790 your home and misbehaves, 2085 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,440 what can we do about it? 2086 01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:37,920 Do we just Oh, well, 2087 01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,320 we we don't even have an SPCA anymore 2088 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,000 from what I can understand when we have 2089 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,199 these problems. So 2090 01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:48,480 these animals, these family members, 2091 01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:51,920 these people in our community who are 2092 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,600 are mentally ill, who are not getting 2093 01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,679 medical services they need, if if we 2094 01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:01,679 don't 2095 01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:04,560 provide 2096 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,760 winter shelter in cold weather, well, 2097 01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,440 we'll certainly reduce the numbers of 2098 01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:12,560 those people. It's that simple. 2099 01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,239 Because 2100 01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:16,320 I don't like to be out there at minus 2101 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,719 20, minus30 2102 01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:21,199 providing food for people who are 2103 01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:23,199 hungry. 2104 01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:25,600 And I'm certain that 2105 01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,840 none of you would. 2106 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,400 I would like to ask 2107 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:34,400 each one of you, if you're willing, go 2108 01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:39,040 with me one day. go with me 2109 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,760 and and go to the shelter, go to the 2110 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,719 Grayson, go to Season's House, go to 2111 01:26:44,719 --> 01:26:47,840 Bridges and firsthand 2112 01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,800 see our community members and the 2113 01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,719 struggling and the situation that 2114 01:26:52,719 --> 01:26:55,440 they're in. I understand that there are 2115 01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:58,480 community members that are afraid. I 2116 01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:01,120 hear it all the time. Uh, I'm afraid to 2117 01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,560 walk downtown because I'm not safe. 2118 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,600 I understand those feelings for them. I 2119 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:11,840 don't share them when I'm out there. 2120 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,360 I don't feel that way. I think twice in 2121 01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,360 the last years that I've been doing 2122 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:21,920 this, I've felt uncomfortable and unsafe 2123 01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,960 and I just simply got in my vehicle and 2124 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,040 locked the door. 2125 01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:31,040 But I cannot in good conscience say we 2126 01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,840 don't need a temporary wheel shelter 2127 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,159 because it makes someone else 2128 01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:38,800 uncomfortable. It's going to cause 2129 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,239 deaths. Are you okay with that on your 2130 01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:44,719 heart? 2131 01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:50,709 Please come with me. See them firsthand. 2132 01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:53,520 There's nothing like one-on-one 2133 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,520 education. 2134 01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,199 And it's not that I condone their 2135 01:27:57,199 --> 01:27:59,679 behaviors. It's not that I condone 2136 01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:04,800 lawlessness or crimes or violence. 2137 01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,760 But the big picture is as a country, as 2138 01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,560 a province, we're not providing the 2139 01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,199 services that these people need. So what 2140 01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:15,280 are we going to do with them? They're 2141 01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,520 everywhere. 2142 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,120 But at least we can keep them from 2143 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,159 freezing to death in the winter. Please, 2144 01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:24,560 let's try to do that. 2145 01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,600 We can't solve everything, but this is 2146 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,550 one step in a good direction. 2147 01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:36,000 Thank you for that, Cleo. Uh well said. 2148 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,679 Uh and I agree that um 2149 01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:42,239 if if there was an opportunity I I guess 2150 01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:46,239 a structured opportunity for us to um 2151 01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:49,360 participate in the coldest night or or 2152 01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:53,679 you know visiting the shelters. it. I 2153 01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:55,280 mean, I've been to Season's House. I've 2154 01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,960 been to Bridges. Um, and I I do remember 2155 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,920 in in a former life actually sleeping 2156 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,800 out. Um, I think it was in Labour Park, 2157 01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,120 but I mean, that was a long time ago. 2158 01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,360 Uh, but personally, I I would I would 2159 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,760 welcome that if if that opportunity 2160 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:15,440 would were to represent itself. Anyone 2161 01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:22,790 else uh from the gallery? Come on up. 2162 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,560 Hi, my name is Grace Curry. Um, I just 2163 01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,840 want to echo that that when 2164 01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,320 you are talking about community events, 2165 01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,320 there's a healing fire that's held every 2166 01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:38,480 single month. Um, people come out from 2167 01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:42,560 everywhere and this is a moment that 2168 01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,719 there is that firsthand education. 2169 01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:47,120 people are struggling and I think it's a 2170 01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,080 perfect opportunity for a lot of people 2171 01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,960 to really see that these are humans and 2172 01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,280 when we talk about fear and feeling 2173 01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:59,679 unsafe. Can I'm going to ask that this 2174 01:29:59,679 --> 01:30:03,360 decision holds empathy and takes empathy 2175 01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:06,320 of these individuals lives. I understand 2176 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,159 the business owner's fears. I understand 2177 01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:11,440 those fears. So in the same respect that 2178 01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:13,040 you can understand the business owner's 2179 01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:14,960 fears, can you please take a moment to 2180 01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,120 understand what these individuals lives 2181 01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,480 have been living there? You want to talk 2182 01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:21,840 about fear, this is the most 2183 01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,360 unimaginable 2184 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:27,199 fear and you're only seeing maybe 1 2% 2185 01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:29,600 of what they're living when you see them 2186 01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,920 on the street. That's not their whole 2187 01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,880 story. And I ask you in this decision to 2188 01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,679 really look at their full story. 2189 01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:39,920 take a neoliberal approach to understand 2190 01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,280 the system that they are living in that 2191 01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:44,800 a lot of them didn't choose this. 2192 01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,400 They're not choosing to be in pain. 2193 01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,639 They're not choosing to suffer. And I 2194 01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:50,480 ask you to come to the healing fire. I 2195 01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:53,760 ask you to come see what is happening 2196 01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,000 here firsthand. See the services that we 2197 01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,000 have. See the people that are showing up 2198 01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,080 every single month and bringing 2199 01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,880 everything that they have. Please take a 2200 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,960 moment to understand what these people's 2201 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:06,960 lives are living and what they're going 2202 01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,199 through and have the same empathy that 2203 01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:11,679 you have for your business owners, for 2204 01:31:11,679 --> 01:31:14,480 the people that are literally being 2205 01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:16,960 missing and murdered all along our our 2206 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:21,120 country every single day. Thank you. 2207 01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,149 >> Thank you for that. Um, it wasn't quite 2208 01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:24,159 » Thank you for that. Um, it wasn't quite 2209 01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:26,400 a question, but I did detect a question 2210 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,679 mark at the end. So, thank you. Someone 2211 01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:33,910 else. 2212 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:53,750 Come on up, Dave. 2213 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,920 Okay, thank you very much. 2214 01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,840 Um, 2215 01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,159 council, 2216 01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:04,960 I want you to uh 2217 01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,440 look at as something that you might have 2218 01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:11,040 overlooked. The first thing I think is 2219 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,400 important is you missed the vote 2220 01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,800 on a couple of issues. You missed the 2221 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:18,960 boat when you didn't include the RCMP to 2222 01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,719 be here tonight. 2223 01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:25,280 As most of you are aware, 2224 01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,360 I was the guard supervisor down at the 2225 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,000 police station or the jail 2226 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,400 for 31 years. 2227 01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,400 That is not 2228 01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,600 the jail is not a home for people 2229 01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,840 anytime you have a problem. But that's 2230 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,639 what it's become. the number of people 2231 01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:44,400 that come through there just because you 2232 01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:45,920 didn't have a bed for them, you put them 2233 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,560 in a cell and you thought that problem 2234 01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,120 went away for the night. 2235 01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,280 Well, as a human being and as the person 2236 01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,080 that worked there, 2237 01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,560 that is improper. 2238 01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,600 Everybody needs a place to live and stay 2239 01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,159 and a steel bed isn't the answer or the 2240 01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:06,080 drunk tank. 2241 01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,800 But what was happening there was anytime 2242 01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,520 there was a problem in in season house 2243 01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,239 or bridges, you called the RCMP and all 2244 01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:15,760 they did was take them and put them in 2245 01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,920 jail. 2246 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,000 Well, in my case, I'm okay because I 2247 01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,719 have a bed and I have a house and I had 2248 01:33:22,719 --> 01:33:24,880 employment through the city. But what 2249 01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:29,120 you failed to re resolve was resolve the 2250 01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,520 problem. 2251 01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,639 I think it's important to know from my 2252 01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:37,830 perspective. 2253 01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,719 Everybody needs a place to stay 2254 01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:43,199 in all kinds of weather. 2255 01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:45,360 Jail isn't the answer. And jail is not a 2256 01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,159 solution. Jail is not a shelter. But 2257 01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:52,080 it's been used time and time again as 2258 01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:56,159 this problem solver. It is not. The only 2259 01:33:56,159 --> 01:33:59,199 other thing I wish to 2260 01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:01,520 say and that is 2261 01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,080 uh probably I'll be a little bit out of 2262 01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:08,080 line here. I think uh council 2263 01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,760 was very disrespectful tonight 2264 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:15,360 in not including 2265 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:16,880 the school district to give a 2266 01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:18,880 presentation before you came to question 2267 01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:20,560 period. 2268 01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,040 We are also we have a major concern as 2269 01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,719 you heard. 2270 01:34:24,719 --> 01:34:26,639 I'm not speaking on behalf of the school 2271 01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:28,080 district. I'm going to speak on behalf 2272 01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:29,920 of myself. But as you know, I'm a school 2273 01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,520 trustee. 2274 01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,880 And I think it's disrespectful 2275 01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,239 when you asked them to make a 2276 01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:38,239 presentation 2277 01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:42,320 and you you ignored them on the agenda. 2278 01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:43,760 I'll leave it at that. 2279 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,310 >> Uh thank you, Dave, and I apologize for 2280 01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:46,320 » Uh thank you, Dave, and I apologize for 2281 01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,600 that. Uh but really the the the impetus 2282 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,880 for this meeting um you know was or is 2283 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,440 the the location of the of the uh 2284 01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:58,560 temporary shelter and that's why we have 2285 01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,360 housing doing the I guess the uh the 2286 01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,080 major presentation and and shelter and 2287 01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:08,400 support society um joining in and also 2288 01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,760 our staff report. I I suppose we could 2289 01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,639 stretch out and you know have the the 2290 01:35:14,639 --> 01:35:16,320 Chamber of Commerce and the business 2291 01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,000 associations and and I and we we would 2292 01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,159 be here all night and and certainly if 2293 01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:24,800 the if the school district would like to 2294 01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:28,400 come back and you know engage um you're 2295 01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:32,400 you're doing that right now. Um but um 2296 01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,760 you you do raise a good point so I 2297 01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,800 apologize and I thank you. 2298 01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:44,390 Anyone else from the gallery? 2299 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:48,960 Okay. So, are we ready to uh move ahead 2300 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,239 with the resolution? I I I have a couple 2301 01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:55,120 I have a actually a question uh for the 2302 01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,840 resolution. And the resolution is duly 2303 01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,320 moved and seconded, but I'm wondering if 2304 01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,600 it's possible. The resolution doesn't 2305 01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,080 say that it's a two-year agreement. And 2306 01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:09,360 I I think that the the actual permit 2307 01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,000 would say that it's 2 years, but should 2308 01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,280 the should the resolution contain a 2309 01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:19,520 reference to the the time period of the 2310 01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:23,990 um of the tenure. 2311 01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,800 » The temporary use uh permits only for a 2312 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,639 three-year period. Um it would have to 2313 01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:30,800 be renewed after that. We obviously made 2314 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,239 a different concession when we did the 2315 01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:34,239 first resolution to only allow it for 2316 01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:37,760 one year. uh having uh uh the uh 2317 01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,080 questions and and presentations prior to 2318 01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,159 make allowing it for additional two 2319 01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:44,800 years. We created that. So it it's up to 2320 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,880 councils. It's council's discretion. You 2321 01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,239 don't have to put it in for the two 2322 01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:50,960 years. Um uh you don't have to say that. 2323 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:52,239 It would just be for the two years 2324 01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:53,840 unless you wanted something else. It'll 2325 01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,360 be for the additional for the remaining 2326 01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:57,920 two years unless you make another formal 2327 01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:02,000 request. So just to be clear now the 2328 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,360 resolution is for two years. 2329 01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,430 >> The res resolution is for the remaining 2330 01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:07,440 » The res resolution is for the remaining 2331 01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:09,440 two years for the temporary use permit 2332 01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:09,760 guess. 2333 01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:13,590 >> Okay. Uh so h how difficult or or would 2334 01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:13,600 » Okay. Uh so h how difficult or or would 2335 01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:17,360 it would it be uh advisable uh to put a 2336 01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:20,000 clause in there that says that uh as a 2337 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:24,320 council and I guess more importantly as 2338 01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:29,119 a community uh can we um have a revisit 2339 01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:32,960 of this at the end of year year one uh 2340 01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:36,159 provided things are coasting along 2341 01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:39,600 properly and and you know as best as as 2342 01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:43,280 best as can be expected. 2343 01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,390 >> That would be council's discretion. 2344 01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:46,400 » That would be council's discretion. 2345 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:49,350 >> Okay. Uh would that require an amendment 2346 01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:49,360 » Okay. Uh would that require an amendment 2347 01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:53,600 if I if I was to ask for that council? 2348 01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,350 >> Yes. You'll need to have someone move 2349 01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:55,360 » Yes. You'll need to have someone move 2350 01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:57,360 and and duly second an amendment, then 2351 01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,119 vote on the amendment. If the amendment 2352 01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:00,639 passes, then you'll have to have a 2353 01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:03,040 second vote on the amended motion. 2354 01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:04,950 >> Yeah. Just we just treat it as as an 2355 01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:04,960 » Yeah. Just we just treat it as as an 2356 01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,280 amendment. So, is there anyone that's 2357 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,920 will willing to move that or should I? 2358 01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:11,840 Looks like it's me. And and and so I'm 2359 01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,480 I'm moving that uh that we put a a 2360 01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:17,040 clause in there that um that at the end 2361 01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,440 of year one we we be given the 2362 01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:22,400 opportunity to to sort of not sort of 2363 01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,960 just to review this to to make any 2364 01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,199 recommendations for keeping the ship 2365 01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:29,600 going straight ahead. I did that. You 2366 01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,119 don't put all of that in the resolution, 2367 01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:33,040 but you catch my drift. I need a 2368 01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:36,560 seconder. Councelor Rudenberg. Okay. So, 2369 01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,470 >> just sorry. 2370 01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:38,480 » just sorry. 2371 01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:39,510 >> Go ahead, councelor Ranch. 2372 01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:39,520 » Go ahead, councelor Ranch. 2373 01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,830 >> A point of order. If we were to pass it 2374 01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:41,840 » A point of order. If we were to pass it 2375 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,560 as it stands, this discussion although 2376 01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,159 important, we could have a me meeting to 2377 01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:47,840 discuss things, but it will make no 2378 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,679 difference. It will bring up these 2379 01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:51,360 feelings again that we have in this 2380 01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:55,280 room, which are, I believe, 2381 01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:57,040 more divisive than they actually are 2382 01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:58,800 building a building a community that 2383 01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,360 makes a difference. So I I I would 2384 01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:02,960 actually speak against that uh 2385 01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:04,320 amendment. 2386 01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,629 >> Okay. Councelor Goule. 2387 01:39:06,629 --> 01:39:06,639 » Okay. Councelor Goule. 2388 01:39:06,639 --> 01:39:09,510 >> Uh thanks u Mr. Chair. Thank you. Um and 2389 01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:09,520 » Uh thanks u Mr. Chair. Thank you. Um and 2390 01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,080 I too would probably speak um against 2391 01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,800 that amendment. Um I I've been taking 2392 01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,719 notes and and just listening, you know, 2393 01:39:16,719 --> 01:39:19,360 and you know, we need to to focus our 2394 01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,000 intention on not a short-term solution, 2395 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,840 but how do we get a long-term solution? 2396 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,159 I think if we're mandating things, we're 2397 01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:27,280 going to be in trouble. We're going to 2398 01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,360 be back here. any council is going to be 2399 01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,840 back at this table um making the same 2400 01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:32,960 decisions, having the same 2401 01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:34,639 conversations. Uh we've been having I've 2402 01:39:34,639 --> 01:39:36,239 been a counselor for four years, eight 2403 01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:37,440 years. We're still having the 2404 01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:40,320 conversations as director Turner said, 2405 01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:41,679 20 years. These things have been going 2406 01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:43,679 on forever. We're not We have to find a 2407 01:39:43,679 --> 01:39:45,360 a solution here. You know, we have to 2408 01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,000 have um clear timelines. We need secure 2409 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:51,280 funding. We need public consultation. Um 2410 01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:53,920 temporary shelters, I think, um only 2411 01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:57,440 address the needs in the short term. um 2412 01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:59,199 we're going to be open for a year, we're 2413 01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:01,360 going to be open for another year. Um 2414 01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,360 and then what we're where we're going to 2415 01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,760 be back back at the same table. I just 2416 01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,760 think that we need to look at a longterm 2417 01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,920 tragedy here and how we do that. I think 2418 01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:11,840 and how we get there for future councils 2419 01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:13,520 and this council is going to be very 2420 01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:15,360 important as we as we look at the 2421 01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,520 discussions. You know, I I just want to 2422 01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,920 see that we come with a permanent plan 2423 01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,880 that has measurable milestones, defines 2424 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,280 accountability, and we do regular public 2425 01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:28,320 updates. I think that will deter um 2426 01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,800 what's happening and be able to find a a 2427 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,040 long-term solution. You know, we're 2428 01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:34,719 we're relying on these temporary 2429 01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:36,239 extensions. We're relying on these 2430 01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:38,560 temporary things. And I just don't think 2431 01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,719 it's doing a service for anybody until 2432 01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:42,800 we have a long-term something that we 2433 01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,719 can actually put our teeth into and 2434 01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:46,320 actually be able to be proud of as we 2435 01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,320 move forward with the community. I think 2436 01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:49,920 it's going to take time. I don't think 2437 01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:51,520 it's going to be an overnight solution. 2438 01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,440 It's not going to be a yearly solution. 2439 01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:55,119 I think it's going to take time. It's 2440 01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:56,400 going to take a lot of time and 2441 01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,400 investment. As I said earlier, 2442 01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,320 communication is the key piece. I think 2443 01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,480 we're we're biting heads all over the 2444 01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:03,760 place and we're trying to get people at 2445 01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,199 the table, but we have all different 2446 01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:06,719 mandates. Everyone has a different 2447 01:41:06,719 --> 01:41:08,719 mandate when they sit at a table and on 2448 01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:11,199 a board of directors. Um I think it's 2449 01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:12,800 time that we just move away from these 2450 01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,280 temporary measures and somehow make a 2451 01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,360 lasting solution that, you know, our 2452 01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,639 vulnerable individuals can um um feel 2453 01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:22,800 safe and our citizens can feel safe at 2454 01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,560 the same time. So we have to so we have 2455 01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:26,080 to balance that. So I'm not in favor of 2456 01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:27,920 the one year. 2457 01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,229 >> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Vic. 2458 01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:30,239 » Okay. Thank you, Councelor Vic. 2459 01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:32,870 >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I'm also of 2460 01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:32,880 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I'm also of 2461 01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:34,880 the opinion perhaps we don't need to 2462 01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,199 dilute this motion. I think I think we 2463 01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:38,880 have enough information to proceed as 2464 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,080 is. Um to councelor Goule's point, we 2465 01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,280 resolved on June 23rd to work towards a 2466 01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:48,000 long-term shelter strategy. We should be 2467 01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,560 putting all hands on deck to that end 2468 01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,360 and resolving to have a permanent 2469 01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,760 solution in our community for long-term 2470 01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,800 shelter and having uh temporary 2471 01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,719 measures. I think um the the friction 2472 01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:04,639 that we're facing here is does this 2473 01:42:04,639 --> 01:42:07,119 temporary measure could it could it 2474 01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:08,960 cause more harm in that neighborhood in 2475 01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:12,480 this community than it solves? And that 2476 01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:14,800 neighborhood has suffered uh a lot of 2477 01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,360 disorder. And the question we're facing 2478 01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:20,159 with is can can it can that community 2479 01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:24,080 can that neighborhood uh take on more? 2480 01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,480 And unfortunately, I I don't I I think 2481 01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:28,000 from from the feedback we've been 2482 01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,040 receiving, they cannot. There is there's 2483 01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,600 a tremendous amount of disorder already. 2484 01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,639 And it's just we're at we're at the 2485 01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:39,440 point where it's it's no longer fair to 2486 01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:42,159 that neighborhood. So my view would be 2487 01:42:42,159 --> 01:42:44,639 let's all hands on deck to to form a 2488 01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:47,199 long-term strategy, a long-term shelter 2489 01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:49,679 solution that accommodates a cold 2490 01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:52,960 weather uh cold weather solution. 2491 01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:54,790 >> Uh thank you for that and and and 2492 01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:54,800 » Uh thank you for that and and and 2493 01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,520 council. I I I neglected to mention and 2494 01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,360 I've got it written right right here in 2495 01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:01,920 capital letters and it says new council 2496 01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:05,520 and that was primarily the reason that 2497 01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:07,520 you know we're making a decision that is 2498 01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:11,040 going to encumber uh the new council for 2499 01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:12,960 a period of well a year and a half and 2500 01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:16,239 and um but I'm I'm willing I'm willing 2501 01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:18,320 to accept that. Uh is there anyone else 2502 01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:20,880 who wants to jump in before I call the 2503 01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:21,590 >> Yes, please. 2504 01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:21,600 » Yes, please. 2505 01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,950 >> Go ahead. Councelor Elliott. 2506 01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:24,960 » Go ahead. Councelor Elliott. 2507 01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,669 >> Uh, thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Um, 2508 01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:27,679 » Uh, thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Um, 2509 01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:30,239 so as far as long-term, I get it 100%. 2510 01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:31,679 Uh, we've been working on this for 2511 01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:34,000 decades, but there's so much more work 2512 01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:37,679 that has to be done. Um, I'm happy that 2513 01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:39,679 the housing solutions table, which I'm 2514 01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:42,159 chair of, is meeting next week and this 2515 01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:44,320 is uh top of the agenda and and we'll 2516 01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:47,520 continue to to carry this forward. 2517 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,800 But there needs to be a solution for 2518 01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:54,320 this winter coming up in my opinion. 2519 01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,639 Okay? Everybody wants long-term. There's 2520 01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:59,520 no doubt about it. But we have to look 2521 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,199 at these individuals in the short term 2522 01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:04,239 as well. We have to be able to keep them 2523 01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:07,920 warm in the winter so that no one dies. 2524 01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,920 Okay? This is extremely important to our 2525 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,440 community. 2526 01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:14,000 Everyone deserves to have heat. Everyone 2527 01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,560 deserves to have a roof over their head. 2528 01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,320 And for us to just say, "Yeah, we need a 2529 01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,840 we need a long-term plan." I think 2530 01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,639 that's just 2531 01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:25,440 I agree with it. But to just put people 2532 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:27,040 out on the street when we could be 2533 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,199 keeping them warm is not the right 2534 01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:31,920 answer either. 2535 01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:35,199 We talked about um fear in the community 2536 01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:37,840 of this turning into 2537 01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:41,119 an an alternate shelter in the future. 2538 01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:42,960 Any decision like this has to come to 2539 01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:44,719 council. 2540 01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:46,800 So it's not a given. It's it's nothing 2541 01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:48,880 that has to take place. We're talking 2542 01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:50,880 about a temporary warm shelter and 2543 01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:53,600 cooling for people in need, in desperate 2544 01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,960 need, in minus30 weather. 2545 01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:58,880 Come on, people. 2546 01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,840 The last thing is, okay, I like you said 2547 01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,320 you like the analogy of the mask on. 2548 01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:07,360 Flip that on its head a little bit. 2549 01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,920 I've got my heat on. 2550 01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,320 I've got a roof over my head. and a lot 2551 01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:15,440 of people don't. 2552 01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:17,440 I think we should be helping the most in 2553 01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:19,679 need in our community and doing the best 2554 01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:23,440 we can and to defer this so that nothing 2555 01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:27,280 takes place next winter. 2556 01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,040 I don't think that's the right solution 2557 01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,840 at all. Thank you. 2558 01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:33,910 >> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Elliot. Uh 2559 01:45:33,910 --> 01:45:33,920 » Okay. Thank you, Councelor Elliot. Uh 2560 01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,159 councelor Runge. 2561 01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:38,390 >> Thank you, uh, Councelor Elliott. But 2562 01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:38,400 » Thank you, uh, Councelor Elliott. But 2563 01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,199 you know what? In fairness, and it's a 2564 01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:43,280 difficult question, but there are other 2565 01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,440 solutions out there. And to just frame 2566 01:45:45,440 --> 01:45:48,239 this as the only solution, I think is 2567 01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:49,840 incorrect. 2568 01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,639 If we were to defeat this today, another 2569 01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:55,040 solution could be found. And yes, it 2570 01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:56,800 might be, like I said before, a trailer 2571 01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:58,159 being pulled in somewhere to another 2572 01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:01,040 facility that we already have. We we do 2573 01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,280 not have to do this. So, you know, just 2574 01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:06,719 to frame it as we're going to be t 2575 01:46:06,719 --> 01:46:10,480 taking the these uh the roof or the heat 2576 01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:12,560 away from people is actually 2577 01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,800 disingenuous cuz that happens every 2578 01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,400 single day of the year. And you know 2579 01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,400 what? Our community, as much as we would 2580 01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,000 love to, actually doesn't have a 2581 01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:23,280 solution for it yet. 2582 01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,990 >> Okay. Thank you for if you mind, 2583 01:46:25,990 --> 01:46:26,000 » Okay. Thank you for if you mind, 2584 01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:26,870 >> if you don't mind. 2585 01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:26,880 » if you don't mind. 2586 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,669 >> Yeah, go ahead, please. 2587 01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:29,679 » Yeah, go ahead, please. 2588 01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:31,510 >> Okay. Thank you, councelor Ranch. So, 2589 01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:31,520 » Okay. Thank you, councelor Ranch. So, 2590 01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,320 pulling a trailer, a great idea. Where 2591 01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:39,440 would you put it? I'll wait. 2592 01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:42,639 We have a solution now. I think it's on 2593 01:46:42,639 --> 01:46:44,960 us to be courageous and to move forward 2594 01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:49,270 with this. 2595 01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:50,960 » The questions to you, councelor R. 2596 01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,149 >> Do you want me to respond to where I 2597 01:46:52,149 --> 01:46:52,159 » Do you want me to respond to where I 2598 01:46:52,159 --> 01:46:54,000 think I would go? 2599 01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,510 >> This is not getting us anywhere. 2600 01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:55,520 » This is not getting us anywhere. 2601 01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:56,790 >> It's not going to get us anywhere right 2602 01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:56,800 » It's not going to get us anywhere right 2603 01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:58,159 now. So, I think we should go to the 2604 01:46:58,159 --> 01:46:59,679 vote. Thank you. 2605 01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:01,750 >> Okay. We're going to we're getting close 2606 01:47:01,750 --> 01:47:01,760 » Okay. We're going to we're getting close 2607 01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:02,080 to 2608 01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:03,109 >> Mr. Mayor. 2609 01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:03,119 » Mr. Mayor. 2610 01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:05,189 >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead, city manager. 2611 01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:05,199 » Oh, sorry. Go ahead, city manager. 2612 01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:06,470 >> I just want to clarify. So, the 2613 01:47:06,470 --> 01:47:06,480 » I just want to clarify. So, the 2614 01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:08,639 amendment that's been moved and seconded 2615 01:47:08,639 --> 01:47:11,119 is to is to approve it only for one 2616 01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:12,880 year. Correct. 2617 01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,550 >> Negative. 2618 01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:14,560 » Negative. 2619 01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,790 >> It was to approve it for two years with 2620 01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:16,800 » It was to approve it for two years with 2621 01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,679 a with an opportunity to not pause it, 2622 01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:22,480 but to review it. And I guess I guess in 2623 01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:25,520 in in retrospect, I mean, we re we would 2624 01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:28,480 be reviewing this all the way along, but 2625 01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:30,880 what I was proposing would be that there 2626 01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,360 would be an opera a date at which we 2627 01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,440 could say something or do something 2628 01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:38,080 rather than, you know, sporadically 2629 01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:40,480 throughout the term of the 2-year lease. 2630 01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:42,950 >> Yeah. Okay. So, so to clarify then, my 2631 01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:42,960 » Yeah. Okay. So, so to clarify then, my 2632 01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:44,239 understanding is the amendment on the 2633 01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:47,199 floor is still to do a 2-year 2634 01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:49,600 approval with a chance for this to come 2635 01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:51,840 back to council at the end of the next 2636 01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:54,560 season for to weigh in on success 2637 01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,920 similar to what happened this past year. 2638 01:47:57,920 --> 01:47:59,679 Yes, that that was the gist of the 2639 01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:01,679 resolution and I'm going to call a qu 2640 01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:03,520 I'm going to in a moment call the 2641 01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:06,159 question on the uh on the motion to to 2642 01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:08,719 amend and it's it's abundantly obvious 2643 01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:10,800 how that's going to turn out but but I 2644 01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,440 have a after we deal with that I I have 2645 01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:15,760 a couple of other comments to make 2646 01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:18,400 before be before we call the question on 2647 01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:22,960 the main motion. So seeing no more on 2648 01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,719 the amendment. Uh so all in favor of the 2649 01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:30,310 amendment. 2650 01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,719 All all opposed. 2651 01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:35,600 Unanimously opposed. I know how to read 2652 01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:37,280 a book. So 2653 01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:39,750 >> not unanimously. No. I think that that 2654 01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:39,760 » not unanimously. No. I think that that 2655 01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,719 was a a four to two if I have it correct 2656 01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:44,639 because you abstained from voting. Mr. 2657 01:48:44,639 --> 01:48:45,679 Mayor. 2658 01:48:45,679 --> 01:48:46,550 >> Uh no. 2659 01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:46,560 » Uh no. 2660 01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,870 >> You voted in favor of the amendment. I I 2661 01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:48,880 » You voted in favor of the amendment. I I 2662 01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:50,560 vote actually I voted against the 2663 01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:51,199 amendment. 2664 01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:52,390 >> Got it. Okay. 2665 01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:52,400 » Got it. Okay. 2666 01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,310 >> Okay. 2667 01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:54,320 » Okay. 2668 01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:57,189 >> I vote in favor of the amendment. 2669 01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:57,199 » I vote in favor of the amendment. 2670 01:48:57,199 --> 01:49:00,390 >> So that's a that's a 5 to2 defeat. 2671 01:49:00,390 --> 01:49:00,400 » So that's a that's a 5 to2 defeat. 2672 01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,709 >> Okay. We'll we'll put it down down at 2673 01:49:02,709 --> 01:49:02,719 » Okay. We'll we'll put it down down at 2674 01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:06,400 that. Um before I go ahead uh and call 2675 01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:11,760 the question, um I I'd like to put it on 2676 01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:13,679 the floor and I'm not going to make a 2677 01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:18,080 motion here, but I I would prefer to 2678 01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,239 defer decision 2679 01:49:20,239 --> 01:49:22,480 until next Tuesday's council meeting. 2680 01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:25,520 That's only 7 days down the road. uh 2681 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,760 that would be at the meeting of July the 2682 01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:31,360 20th in order to allow the opportunity 2683 01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,960 for further public input generated by 2684 01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,600 the obvious coverage and awareness 2685 01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,280 that's going to emerge from this 2686 01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:42,400 meeting. I I think that there's a a 2687 01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:47,760 gallery here that is fairly united in in 2688 01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:51,360 approving uh the proposal, but I don't 2689 01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:54,560 think that there's a real representation 2690 01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,600 uh or at least not such a significant uh 2691 01:49:57,600 --> 01:49:59,199 representation 2692 01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:03,760 from people that are opposed. And uh if 2693 01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:07,199 I can be completely candid uh and this 2694 01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:09,679 is just my personal feeling that there 2695 01:50:09,679 --> 01:50:13,199 seems to be um a sort of a built-in 2696 01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:15,600 network of approval but there isn't a 2697 01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:19,600 reciprocal network of opposition. I'd 2698 01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:21,360 just like to hear any comments on that. 2699 01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:23,520 Councelor Rudenberg. 2700 01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:26,950 >> So as the chair I think um it you should 2701 01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:26,960 » So as the chair I think um it you should 2702 01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:28,880 not be making those kind of assumptions 2703 01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:31,119 as the chair about what their network is 2704 01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:34,239 and isn't. um whether I agree this 2705 01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:36,080 should be postponed to next week. I 2706 01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,800 don't see how it's going to change some 2707 01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,280 of the the uh comments that have been 2708 01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,719 made. Um but I I don't think you should 2709 01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:46,960 be making that assumption that somebody 2710 01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:48,639 didn't get their ducks in a row to come 2711 01:50:48,639 --> 01:50:51,440 here and make their thoughts known. Just 2712 01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:53,040 as as the chair, I don't think that's 2713 01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:53,760 appropriate. 2714 01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:56,629 >> Well, well, I accept that, but um we'll 2715 01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:56,639 » Well, well, I accept that, but um we'll 2716 01:50:56,639 --> 01:50:58,639 see. We'll see see how it shakes out at 2717 01:50:58,639 --> 01:51:02,080 the end of the day. And um this really 2718 01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,400 has nothing to do with in fact well I'll 2719 01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:07,600 I'll bring up this other option outside 2720 01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:09,600 of the uh the motion that we're going to 2721 01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:12,719 vote on. Are we are we ready to for me 2722 01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:16,960 to call question on the resolution? 2723 01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:20,310 >> Yes. Okay. Are we all in favor of the 2724 01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:20,320 » Yes. Okay. Are we all in favor of the 2725 01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:24,880 resolution? Hands up. 2726 01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:27,679 I see one two 2727 01:51:27,679 --> 01:51:30,790 >> Oh, I see two. opposed to the 2728 01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:30,800 » Oh, I see two. opposed to the 2729 01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,199 resolution. 2730 01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:36,400 Okay, that is that is defeated. 2731 01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:40,070 So, um 2732 01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,000 so we have that as a matter of record 2733 01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:46,719 and and finally um I have I have another 2734 01:51:46,719 --> 01:51:49,760 idea here uh that I'd like to pursue and 2735 01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:54,239 I think that this um uh can can come to 2736 01:51:54,239 --> 01:51:56,880 come to being. I'd like to see some kind 2737 01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:01,280 of an online portal and a hard copy drop 2738 01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:03,599 off box for people to leave questions, 2739 01:52:03,599 --> 01:52:05,599 concerns, recommendations, beefs, 2740 01:52:05,599 --> 01:52:09,199 bouquets, etc. Uh that wouldn't wouldn't 2741 01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:11,119 only come to the city, but would would 2742 01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:13,040 come to the city BC housing, school 2743 01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,440 board, and shelter support society. In 2744 01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:17,119 other words, all of the the major 2745 01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:19,040 stakeholders that that are involved in 2746 01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,119 this. And I'm not I'm not putting that 2747 01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:24,239 out out there as a as a a motion, but 2748 01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:25,920 that's some that's some direction that 2749 01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,080 I'd like to see. Tanya, did you you look 2750 01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:30,159 like you had a Okay. a comment or a 2751 01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:32,560 question. 2752 01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:35,760 Okay. Is there anything further for the 2753 01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:38,320 uh for the business of council tonight 2754 01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:41,280 before I call for a motion to adjourn? 2755 01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,520 Am I missing anything? 2756 01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:46,000 Okay. Motion to adjurnn then, please. 2757 01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,239 Moved by councelor McKelie, seconded by 2758 01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:51,280 councelor Vic. Are we all in favor? 2759 01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:55,679 Opposed? Carried. Thank you everyone.