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This is the runner board of commissioners meeting from Monday, February 14th, just a brief notice

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that we met in executive session preceding the meeting to discuss legal matters with council.

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And before we move to public participation, the commissioners have been hearing from many

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residents over the last several days.

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I'm making an assumption that many of you here are to speak at our opening public comment

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about a shop that opened in Wayne late last week.

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I would like to, before I invite the public, I'm going to ask our solicitor, John Rice,

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to just speak to the issue, lay a little groundwork, and then we'll open it up for everybody to speak.

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Have public comment, I give you five minutes.

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I'll sort of wave one minute warning when your time's running down, and then we'll move to the next person.

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But right now, John, would you address the issue?

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Yes, thank you, Commissioner.

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I guess we've all done a lot of research since last Thursday about

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Quote and the shop that opened up in downtown Wayne and the township and the townships

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co-department.

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And we've got a couple, I've gotten a couple requests on meetings and minutes and things

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like that.

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There was no meetings, there were no phone calls, there were no permits that were applied

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for prior to that shop opening up last Wednesday or Thursday I think it was.

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The, for those of you that live there, you know the windows were paper, township employees left business cards there, over a period of time, but there was no contact at all by anybody from that organization with the township until today.

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The last week when Mr. Kaczynski found out that the business was open, we were as surprised as everybody in this room, believing.

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And they were told that they could not open without permits.

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I think we all know there was a Starbucks air for a number of years and closed down in 2020.

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And there was definitely work done on the interior of the building for the new business.

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So they are shut down and then today, Kevin and I spoke with two representatives of the organization and they're headquartered in St. Louis and I guess they hire contractors locally to fit out these businesses and we went through what the requirements are and the requirements are pretty substantial.

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There's building permits, there's maybe electrical permits and might be demolition permits or zoning permits.

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business license permits, so all those things, they've agreed that they have to do that.

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They've also agreed to, that they're shut down until all of that is resolved.

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We've also made a request to remove the signage, which we think is also a code issue.

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But what the folks here need to know, we don't have any plans on what they did in that building yet.

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So until we get the plans and we see the floor plan, we don't know what the scope of what the permits are and what the requirements are.

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So we expect to get that in the next week or two, it's not something you fill out a form and file it.

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We need floor plans of work that's already been done for our code officials to review it and then make a determination of what complies and what doesn't comply.

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So that's where we're at on this, it's closed, where we've made a request to have the

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signage either covered up or removed, they will have to go to the design review board

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for the signs, there may be other approvals, but until they submit what they did, we can't

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really tell you exactly what, I mean, we know that there are some permits that they're

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going to have to get. But the way it works is you submit a permanent application and describe

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what you're doing. Our code people make a determination whether that's within code or

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not, whether it meets whatever the building or electrical permit requirements are or

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not. We tell them that and then they either fix it or they go away. So or they do something

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else.

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So that's the process in every township and every borough in this, in the state of Pennsylvania. They have that kind of process in place, some more detailed than others. So that's, and I don't want to spend any more time with that, but that's where we are as of today. Today's the first day that we've spoken to anybody from the organization regarding this use.

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So

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public comment is the opportunity for all of our anybody in the audience to come and

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speak.

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You can speak for five minutes.

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It is not a Q&A.

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Commissioners don't respond and staff and solicitor not to respond to public comment.

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If anybody has questions after the meeting, you can certainly ask questions after the meeting.

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But it's not a back and forth question and answer.

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It's public comment.

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There's a lot of people here that want to make public comment, but questions that you

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have, either me or Kevin Kaczynski can answer them after the meeting.

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Or tomorrow?

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I think John probably, one issue that hasn't been addressed is the ability to fan Cray Tom.

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So I'm sure that there are questions about that.

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Can you speak a little bit to what the municipality level can do or lack of action that we can

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take?

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Well, what we,

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he'll speak to that.

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I'm asking him to speak to whether or not the meet-as-pality has the ability to be on

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Kraton.

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Yeah, there's no state law that lets the township do that.

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There's some states that ban Kraton, I think there's six that have done that.

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There's some few municipalities throughout the country that have done that.

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The township's been in touch with the state rep.

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There's some pending legislation in the Pennsylvania legislature to do that.

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If folks are here interested in that as a separate issue from code compliance, which it is then that's where you need to go with the state legislature.

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I don't know of any townships in Pennsylvania that have passed any kind of legislation that would ban.

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Either that or some other type of a cannabis drug, but it's a state legislature issue.

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It's really not a local government issue at this point.

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And the township obviously doesn't have anything that specifically addresses that.

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I mean, there's six, there's six, there's six, there's six.

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I'm going to reiterate, we're not doing kill-eck, there's six states.

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Six states.

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We just have a lot of people who want to speak and we money here from everybody.

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would love to take public comment.

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Hi, is it this microphone here, this one?

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Yeah, if you can get to the small one.

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Okay, hi there.

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How are we can hear you in the room?

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I'm actually here to represent 88 people

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that find the letter.

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And when I timed it out, it was about six minutes.

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So could you please allow me to go over a little bit?

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I'll give you a one minute warning.

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I'll see where you are.

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Okay, thanks so much.

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I'll try to talk quickly.

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Hi, my name is Kate Hart, and I live

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on Metabrux Circle in Ward 3 in South Wayne.

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I'm here this evening with a letter signed by 88 of my neighbors, local business owners,

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students and their families that are in opposition to the CBD cradum store that opened suddenly last Thursday in the old Starbucks location in downtown Wayne.

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I'm not here to discuss the pros and cons of CBD use because quite honestly, that's not the issue at hand.

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The issue here is how did a store that sells substances that are banned in 19 states,

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literally open illegally next to two schools, three nursery schools, and

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local churches without anyone knowing about it.

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I'm here today to point out the reason a store of this nature does not fit with the culture and

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character of our community, and to ask that we take measures to prevent stores of this nature in the future.

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Wayne is a charming, idyllic community.

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We pride ourselves on being family-friendly and a safe place to raise our families.

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Knee Shrank's Ragnar is the second most family-friendly place to live in Delaware County.

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We hold annual events like the Walk to Wayne, the car show, the truck zoo,

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trick-or-treating for local businesses, the fall festival, the night at the ballpark,

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the Christmas tree lighting, and fire prevention nights to make families feel welcome in part of our community.

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It's a tradition in middle school for children to walk to Wayne on Fridays and visit local establishments.

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Wayne is a community built on being a safe place to raise families.

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Having our children go to school yards from an establishment that sells

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Freedom and Delta 8.

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Does not make our town a safe place for our children. Until last week, I had never heard of these substances. After a quick Google search, I learned the following. Cratham is banned in six states, including states such as Vermont and Alabama that have legalized marijuana. In 2019, a teenager from Westchester died in a car crash in traditional East Town Township. He had taken Cratham, suffered a heart attack, and crashed his car. The Chester County Corner ruled his debt was from acute

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mute, mid to gyrene and toxication, an active ingredient and

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cratum.

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No other drugs were found in his system.

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Cratum is pain relieving drugs similar to opiates.

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The Mayo Clinic has declared it unsafe and warns these side effects.

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Dizziness, drowsiness, hallucinations, delusion, depression,

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breathing suppression, seizure, coma, and death.

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They caution.

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It's not exactly what level of cratum is toxic in people.

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But as with pain medications and recreational drugs, it's possible to

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over dose on it. The FDA warns that Cratum, which affects the same opioid receptors as

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morphine, appears to have properties that exposes users to the risk of addiction, abuse

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and dependence. In fact, Cratum's a product that people who are addicted to opiates use when

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they're trying to get off of opiates or high when they cannot find them. Delta-8 is another

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product sold at this store, which is even worse than Cratum. It's been outlawed in 19 states.

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The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency considers Delta-8 in a legal controlled substance.

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The FDA warns it's important for consumers to be aware that Delta-8 THC products have

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not been evaluated or approved by the FDA to be safe in any context.

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They can be marketed in ways that put the public health at risk and should be kept out of

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reach of children and pets.

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Adverse events include vomiting, hallucination, trouble standing, loss of consciousness.

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In order to get these effects, dangerous household chemicals are added to the hemp, and

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this process is not controlled or regulated.

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I visited the CBD Crate & Web site this weekend, and was told it had to be 18 years old

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to view their products.

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When I drove by their store, their products were proudly undisplayed in the front window.

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These products included candy and soda made from Crate & CbD.

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These products were in a window covered with an 8-foot-tall marijuana leaf.

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The store had reclaimed wood shelving, faux marijuana plants, and a hip vibe akin to a local coffee shop.

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A place that teens would want to hang out at.

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Sadly, on Friday, the kids had already discovered this store as they walked into Wayne and took selfies in front of the giant marijuana leaf and added them to their snapchats.

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The store claims in their press release that they want to be part of the South Wayne community.

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But they in fact have no idea who the South Wayne community is because they sneakily and

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illegally open the store without the proper licenses or permits.

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They avoided letting the community know where their store was and what they were selling

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because they knew that we would oppose it.

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In March of 2020, Ward 7 residents in Garrett Hill fought successfully to prevent dispensary

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from opening.

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Had we been given notice that this establishment was going to open in South Wayne, we would

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voice are concerned as well. Instead, they play the game of asking for forgiveness, not permission.

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Having this store in our community normalizes drug use for our children, it makes these substances

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look hip and trendy and makes them easily accessible with curbside pickup. For now, for fun on a

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Friday night, our seniors in high school can pick up cratum sodas and Delta 8 salted caramels on

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their way home from school. Their own website warns users to take it slow when first using THCO and

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And let's customers know that this substance will show up on a drug test.

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When have we ever known teenagers to take it slow?

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We cannot bury our heads in the sand.

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We cannot wait for the PA legislature to make these substances banned.

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We have to be proactive and keep the store closed.

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We have to create ordinances to protect the small town, charm and community for the safety of our children.

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There are dozens of empty businesses in Wayne, what is to prevent other businesses like sports betting,

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adult stores and strip clubs from opening a Lancaster Avenue.

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The Board of Commissioners met in May of 2020 to discuss that they should impose regulations

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related to marijuana distribution for recreational use.

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They also discussed the idea of safe injection sites for heroin users.

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Radner is 15 miles away from one of the nation's worst cities for heroin and opiate abuse.

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We rank 5th nationally for overdose deaths.

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So now is the time for you to act.

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The CBD Cratham store should not open.

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We should not expose our children to drugs that are outlawed in 19 states.

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We need you to create ordinances now to protect the safety and character of our community.

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Our children deserve this from our leaders.

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I will email you the letters so you can see all the members that signed it.

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I'm also going to send it to the zoning ordinance people as well.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Stern, 202, Midland Avenue, this one. I want to thank the township officials and the commissioners for taking swift action to close a store that was opened without permits. I do appreciate that and recognize that it may take some time for you to work through the process as Mr. Rice laid out for everyone here. I also wanted to, I don't know the status of the business development person that the board was considering hiring,

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But recognizing that we do have a lot of empty storefronts in Ragnar.

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And recognizing that this business owner did not have to rent to this person.

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That it would be great if you do have this business development person,

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bring them on board quickly so that they can work with our other storefront owners,

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property owners to cultivate the kind of tenants and

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community businesses in Ragnar that we would all appreciate.

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Finally, a few years ago, there was a sign on a bar on Garrett Avenue in that was, there was a concern around the size of the sign that it had the proper approvals.

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And it was taken down rather quickly, sorry, appreciate the request for the signs to come down.

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And I would appreciate that follow through on this property occurs, well, when signs go up without permission, they should come down.

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Thank you.

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Clark

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Angle, I'm a rat in a township resident, sorry you're going to hear a lot of repetitive

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things tonight but I guess that comes with the territory.

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I'm here tonight to voice my concern and displeasure that the CBD Cradum store is opening

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or is attempting to open in the former Starbucks location in Wayne.

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Like many people I just found out about this on Friday, my initial reaction like so many

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other residents I know you've already heard from was shock, anger, disbelief and frustration

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I have four kids, three of which are still a school age who do or will when they're old or hang out in downtown Wayne.

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I immediately started doing online research on zoning regulations, permitting, researching who owns a property.

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Who owns the business, where permits file.

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What is craddle, what types of stores are allowed in the Wayne business overlay district?

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What qualifies as a specialty shop?

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How can this be allowed within 1,000 feet of two schools?

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How do you establish your drug-free school zone and on and on?

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After numerous hours of this, I thought to myself, why am I doing this?

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We have elected officials who volunteer to serve the community in this capacity.

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I realize some of you may be new to this board and I realize there are a number of question marks

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as to whether this business followed the proper channels for approval.

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Nonetheless, I still can't fathom how this is even a gray area in 2022.

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Other towns around the country have taken preemptive steps to make sure this doesn't happen.

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Why hasn't Radner?

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I'm sure I can't open a manufacturing facility or a

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topless bar in downtown Wayne.

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Someone had the foresight to make sure the zoning addressed

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that. Why not this?

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Why? This is not some sleepy under the radar issue.

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I never imagined that I would need to come to a board of

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commissioners meeting to make my opinion heard on an issue

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that should be a no-brainer when it comes to public safety.

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But I now feel that I do because of two things I learned online.

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One, the Cratum and some of the other products that this store sells are not safe.

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These gateway drugs can begin dicting and leave people to a more hardcore drug use.

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The more alarming thing was an article I read in the mainline Times from September

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2021 that there's already been debate here at these board meetings, as far back as March,

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about a marijuana dispensary and a safe drug injection site, yet apparently no zoning

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regs of change to address it.

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Yet the most alarming thing I'm sad to say,

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or your comments, Commissioner Mulroney,

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in which you were quoted as saying,

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I caution us not to be the not in the my backyard township,

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especially when these aren't even laws on the book jet.

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Well, you're damn right.

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I don't want it in my backyard or anywhere

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on the face of the earth for that matter.

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If you think legalizing drugs or making it safe for people

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to inject so they don't get diseases from dirty measles

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is a good idea, or leads to less crime, you're delusional.

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These utopian ideas don't work.

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Just look at San Francisco.

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Hi there.

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I'm John Leach, your dollar.

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I live here in the township.

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It's actually born here in Rader as well.

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First I just want to describe what the store is.

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It's only been a few days, but they describe it as

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CBD Crattle, right?

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CBD is legal.

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You can buy CBD cream at Walgreens, you can buy it on Amazon.

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Right?

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It's not a drug.

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You can buy it anywhere, right?

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but the store has a giant marijuana sign on Lancaster Avenue as someone said

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it's got a five-foot marijuana plan

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So why would they be advertising with the marijuana leave if they don't sell marijuana? Right? CBD's kind of marijuana, but not really. The reason they do that is it's just a bait and switch. Right? They market with marijuana, making people think that it's a marijuana store. I took a picture of the sign of the front door. It actually had things like no medical card required.

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is on the front door, making it seem like you could buy legal marijuana there, but they

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don't sell marijuana there because it's illegal for them to sell marijuana there.

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The marijuana is just a bait.

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The marijuana sign, the tree, it's a bait.

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You go in the store and you say, give me marijuana and they say, I don't have marijuana, but

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try this cradle for the Delta 8 or any of these other drugs.

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It's a bait and switch.

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that's their business model like a scumball street corner drug dealer you go to

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your drug dealer and say give me some weed they say I don't have any weed but

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try this other stuff that's their business model yeah this is actually a very

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good parallel to oxy cotton right what was oxy cotton it started off as a legal

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drug they found a loophole in a way to sell legal oxy cotton to people who

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unsuspecting, they got hooked, cut and yelled at, they're coming to me, billions, and people got hooked on the drug, and, you know, we want them to have them with oxicotin.

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This is oxicotin 2.0, right? The market marijuana, you want it with cradum, as people said, is dangerous, male clinic, the first thing you see, when you Google it is cradum, unsafe, according to male clinic, right?

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right? It's it's ox cotton 2.0. And that's that's why I have to say.

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Comments.

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Hi. My name is Kathy Agnew, a 325.

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Hembroke Avenue, former Commissioner of the Third Ward.

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I am Ray. I'm sorry you're doing a great job.

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This is, of course, about the store, but in a larger context.

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So if you know my favorite, one of my favorite things is administrative

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of a stop. And so, and I think it should be applied in this case. This is not a business that

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applied for some permits and got some things wrong or made some misrepresentations that

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they were incorrect about. This is a business, a sophisticated business. They're out of

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St. Louis, they're not in somebody in the neighborhood who just decided to do this. This is a business

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that's counsel. They know that they're supposed to apply for things. I frankly don't, regardless

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So what I feel about this business, I would say this about if they were opening up an electric

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light store, you have come in and tried to create facts on the ground, which then they

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try to cure.

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I think when a business comes in like this and applies for nothing, absolutely nothing,

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they should not be permitted to cure.

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No matter what kind of business it is, it is in the front to the boards and the front

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to the townships, the front to everybody, all the staff that they don't have to do what

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everybody else has to do.

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So it was, like the term, which used great facts in the ground and then they'll work

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from there. It should be no. When they come in and then they try to do this to be no,

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not only if we not rely, we can't rely on what you said because you would even make

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representations. That should be basically parallel in a kin to a misrepresentation.

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They should be denied if they sue, then they go to court, you apply a minute away as a

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strum, administrative, a stompal, and or the court could say, we're going to use judicial

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a stable because you cannot use the courts to come in when you doped another government body.

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That's my defense, John.

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I've said it many times, I wish this board would adopt it in many other circumstances, so thank you.

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Hi, Charlie Bonneberger, South Aberdeen Avenue, I just want to thank former commissioner Agnew for really touching on some important points.

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I know several of you are new to elected office and probably don't have a lot of experience in a lot of these matters.

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And I know the community does not have a lot of experience in dealing with these kinds of matters.

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For more than 20 years I've spent every day of my life including an hour ago working with elected bodies at the municipal county and state level across the Commonwealth and across the nation.

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And I can tell you a few things from my experience that I think are relevant not just to you as commissioners but to my fellow residents.

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Number one, follow the money.

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It is hard to believe that a large corporation like this picked that spot out of the blue and

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dropped a pin in South Wayne.

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Doesn't happen.

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Number two, we got a great outline of the process from our solicitor for which I'm grateful, thank you, sir. But that is the process. And you are the policy makers who determine that process. It's time to look at changing the process in this case. And I think former commissioner Agnew gave us some great opportunities for you to take that action. Third, I would highly recommend that everyone who's interested in this matter, file public records request to this body as often as possible to get copies of those records that the solicitor talks about.

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as they come in, filings, applications, licenses, and so on, to go back to point one, which

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is follow the money.

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Somebody has been hired to get this through or will be hired to get it through.

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I find it hard to believe that no one was on the phone today that wasn't hired locally

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to do that.

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And it's important to follow that money to see where that money landed and brought us to

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where we are today.

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And the last point I'll make is that these types of things don't come out of left field.

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Again, there's always something behind the scenes, and I reiterate what I said previously, which is the rules are what they are.

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Again, our solicitor did a nice job outlining them, but you make the rules.

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And I think our community here today is letting you know that it's time to change those rules.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, my name's Heather Gill.

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I'm award three residents over 18 years, and I'm concerned about this new store that opened where the old Starbucks is relocated next to the beer yard.

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It is my understanding that the store open without any notification to the township.

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Without opening a certificate of occupancy, business license, approval from the design review board.

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Looked at signage, they also did not file for any miscellaneous permits such as electrical or plumbing.

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I find it interesting at the building owner who has owned this type of store before would not be knowledgeable on the type of paperwork that is required to open a business.

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I have various questions for the township and our commissioners.

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Does this business even meet the zoning requirements?

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For instance, there are two buildings on one property.

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Is there a recorded deed that allows for this to exist?

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If zoning approval is required, would the entire parcel have to be brought up to the zoning code?

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There's various aspects such as storm water management, impervious and building coverage,

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building parking setbacks, buffer requirements, et cetera.

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How would this business safely dispose of waste for the site, given what they sell?

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Has the township considered the traffic impacts that could occur along Lancaster Avenue?

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Has the township thought about if this business would negatively impact our police department, their staff, and budget?

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Most importantly, has the township considered the negative impacts of our local school students that walk to waste?

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The business is 532 feet away from St. Catharines and 647 feet from the Radner Middle School.

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Just last week, the high school held an assembly on the negative effects of various drugs,

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including drugs that are sold at this store.

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How can we advise our students of the negative effects of these substances,

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yet we allow this type of business into our community?

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One of the commissioners stated in an email that this is a matter for the zoning hearing board and not the board of commissioners and wished us luck.

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While I agree that this matter is for the zoning hearing board, as it appears it does not meet various zoning requirements.

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I was taken back that a commissioner does not believe this is an issue for the board.

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It certainly is an issue for the commissioners, local school district, police and

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raddener community, specifically residents of Ward 3.

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We elect commissioners to represent and listen to the concerns and needs of the community.

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We are here tonight asking for your help, asking to protect our kids and community.

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I look to both the zoning hearing board and

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commissioner to put forth resolutions, zoning amendments, and

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other measures in place to address this immediately.

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I will leave you with this tonight.

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Right, the owners of the store were quoted in an article in April 2020 stating, if the town doesn't necessarily want us there, we are not in the business of fighting to be there.

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I wish that store owner would live up to their word and relocate to a community that actually wants them.

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Thank you.

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Hello

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there. I'm Joseph Smith. I'm the director of St Mary's Episcopal Church on the corner

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of Lou Alla at Lancaster 104.

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There's a back lot behind my church and behind this establishment that kind of connects all of them together.

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I am just dismayed that something like this can happen. We've all been wondering, what's going to go in there? What's going to go into the old Starbucks?

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There's paper on the windows and we wait in anticipation and see a giant pot leaf.

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And then I was in a conversation, I passed by totally lost my train of thought with the

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conversation I was having because I could not believe what was going on in my community

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that I live in.

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I've only been here seven and a half years, but it certainly doesn't represent what I've

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seen.

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I think all of us have noticed over the last five or six years that there's a lot of polarization

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in politics.

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This commission will find that there's unity here, that wherever you fall, Democrat, Republican

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or somewhere in between, we are unified and not wanting this establishment in our community.

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I urge you to take action.

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All I've heard is, well, we legally can't do this or can't do that, and we don't want to

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get sued, and I want to say figure it out.

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Is

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there any additional public comment?

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Good evening.

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My name is Mary Beth Doyle and I live on Meadowbrook Circle.

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First off, I would like to wish the Radner Boys basketball team good luck in their playoff

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game against Lower Marion tonight.

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I've spoken to many people who wanted to attend this meeting, but they were going to the

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game.

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I'm sure many of us here would like to be at the game as well, but there are important

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matters to deal with in our town.

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and I told them that we would represent their views to all of you.

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But first I would like to share the views of some others in their own words.

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It's sneaky. First you start taking it here and there then every day, then twice a day,

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then the amount goes up and up with tolerance. It's pretty cheap, even when you're taking a lot.

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I just look around and wonder what it's like not to take anything.

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I see these people who have simple lives and they seem so happy.

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There's a lot of scratching, restless leg syndrome.

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You know what that is? Really uncomfortable.

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Feels like your legs want to be stretched out of your body.

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These comments are from people who took credit.

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a product that is to be sold in our old Starbucks building less than a quarter

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mile from St. Catherine of Siena School and Radner Middle School. The

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product comes in bags of salted carmels just like a bag of candy that our

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kids would buy at CVS and in bottles that look like Snapple just like our kids

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would buy at Wawa. The owners of this store proudly display these items in their

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Windows right now, right now, for our kids to see on their Friday walks through

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Rankway right now.

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And what about CBD? Oh that's supposed to help people

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right? Well a study published in the Journal of American Medical Association

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Pediatrics concluded the following. Cannabis use disorder is a common comorbidity

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and risk marker for self-harm, all cause mortality and death by unintended overdose and homicide

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among youths with mood disorders.

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My guess is that given the experiences of virtual learning, masks, and lack of normality

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experienced by most of our youth over the past two years, most of them now have mood disorders.

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So I have a few questions for you, our commissioners, as we meet about the opening of this CBD

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Cradham store.

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We have some information from the solicitor about how this happened, so what are you

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going to do to stop it?

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And please take that sign down every day that side is up another day, a child learns about

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these harmful products.

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Don't let this business in our town.

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So, making comments over there, I need you either at the mic, could make a comment, you can leave those with us for sure. Thank you.

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And that flyer, can you come to the mic?

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That flyer was at Jules Pizza, where our kids go in to get a slice of pizza. I'm 55 years old, and I've never heard of that product. Our 12-year-olds are 10-year-olds now know what it is, because of these flyers in our pizza shops.

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and that sign that is along like a Stravina.

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Good evening everyone.

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My name is Peggy Sakanik.

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I'm on South Wayne Avenue,

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but I'm reading on behalf of Jennifer Carter

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at St. David's Circle.

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On Friday, during the traditional

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Ragnar Middle School walk to Wayne,

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students were taking selfies and group photos

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in front of the Lord We Beath

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that adorns the new CBD

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Creative Store in downtown Wayne.

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The display in the window

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of the store featured candy and soda items

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containing CBD, creatin, and delta-8.

431
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The substances are legal, but with a quick Google,

432
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:12,820
it is easy to grasp the creatin and delta-8

433
00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:15,100
are substances that we don't want easily accessible

434
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,240
to teens in our community.

435
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,540
Both are illegal in many states because of adverse outcomes.

436
00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:24,480
The marketing technique immediately reminded me

437
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,700
of jewel vaping devices.

438
00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:29,540
Jewel makes these cigarettes that resemble flash drives

439
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:31,920
and work by vaporizing a nicotine-based liquid.

440
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,740
The devices are colorful and easy to hide.

441
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,060
The liquid cartridges contained fun kid flavors such as bubble gum, mango, cotton candy.

442
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:44,640
The company advertised on Instagram, you needed to be 18 to purchase.

443
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,140
Thousands of teens in the US became addicted and still are.

444
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,940
We won't know the long-term consequences of this disease for years to come.

445
00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:58,180
I do not know that this legal, easily accessible product has devastated many teens' lives with

446
00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:00,260
addiction and increased depression.

447
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,580
The fact that the CBD Creative Store is opening within walking distance from our schools

448
00:37:05,580 --> 00:37:07,320
is especially concerning.

449
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,900
The CBD Creative Store is actively marketing to minors based on their signage and displays.

450
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:19,100
Many of the Radner High School seniors are turning 18 and are legal to buy items from the

451
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,120
store and share with friends and siblings.

452
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,060
This is a slip-free slope for our young generation.

453
00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:28,280
Just because something is legal does not mean it is not harmful.

454
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,220
reach should not outweigh the well-being of our children.

455
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:36,640
CBD is readily available across our nation and has been proven to help many medical problems.

456
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,460
I'm not here to advocate for against CBD.

457
00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:44,000
However, did you know that CBD is sold as a supplement, not a medication?

458
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:49,960
For this reason, we do not readily know what other elements the CBD you purchase might contain.

459
00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:55,020
The FDA does not regulate the safety and purity of dietary supplements so you can't be sure

460
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:57,200
that the product you buy has active ingredients

461
00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:59,200
at the dose listed on the label.

462
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,940
Yes, CBD is a helpful supplement to many,

463
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,020
but it is not regulated, something to think about.

464
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,640
Finally, according to many,

465
00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:11,020
this store did not go through the proper channels prior

466
00:38:11,020 --> 00:38:13,840
to popping up and should not be allowed to open

467
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,180
in its current location near our schools.

468
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:18,600
Wayne has a charming small town feel

469
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,940
and this establishment does not meet our standards.

470
00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:23,240
A giant weed leaf display in the middle

471
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:29,280
of our family-oriented town, excuse me, middle of our family-oriented township is depressing.

472
00:38:31,230 --> 00:38:31,890
Thank you.

473
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,360
Is there any other public comment, please?

474
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,020
My name is Louise Pal macho.

475
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:53,620
I don't live in this town, but my mother did, and my daughter does, and my four grandchildren.

476
00:38:54,820 --> 00:39:00,560
Now, frankly, I think this whole thing is appalling, that this store managed to come in through

477
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,500
the back door, so to speak, and get away with or tried to get away with breaking all the

478
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:11,860
rules of this panel, or maybe you set up in this township, building codes and sanitary

479
00:39:11,860 --> 00:39:12,860
codes and whatever.

480
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:19,380
The rate of fact that they tried that is quite interesting, so it says all about them

481
00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:20,700
right from the get go.

482
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,460
But to have this kind of store in this environment is disgusting.

483
00:39:26,140 --> 00:39:34,040
Now, there's St. Catharines. There's schools all around. There's a walk to Wayne on Fridays

484
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,260
these kids. I've driven in this town with these kids all over the place. They're all over

485
00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:44,640
the place, and they're just starting to learn their independence. They're just starting to

486
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:51,740
feel like grownups coming into town with their little friends. And they walk down past the

487
00:39:51,740 --> 00:39:53,660
stored to go to Rita's water ice now.

488
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,640
It's appalling, and you people should do something about it.

489
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,960
It doesn't fit in this-

490
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:29,780
There's enough influences with these kids on the streets today. They don't need this, right in their faces. A mother's walker, their strollers. I used to walk this tabloid all for them in my, in their strollers. This shop should not be in this town. It is a wrong fit. Not to mention, I feel it's a safety issue. And it's a safety issue because we don't know the environment of the people that need this kind of stuff.

491
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,520
who's going to come into this town to buy it?

492
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,400
Where are they going to come from?

493
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,520
Who are they?

494
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:40,010
You know, what dispositions do they have?

495
00:40:40,410 --> 00:40:41,290
Are they nutcases?

496
00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:45,050
Would they try to kidnap one of those little kids

497
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:46,010
that walk by there?

498
00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:47,550
We don't know.

499
00:40:48,330 --> 00:40:53,030
And not to mention a situation where if some of them are smart,

500
00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:55,190
they're going to look around and see teenagers.

501
00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:56,690
There's a teenage population.

502
00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:58,950
So what do you think's going to happen?

503
00:40:58,950 --> 00:41:00,690
and some teenagers are going to get wise and said,

504
00:41:00,690 --> 00:41:02,350
we know, if I slip you some money,

505
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:04,350
you'll go in and buy some for me.

506
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:07,130
That's another slippery slope

507
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:08,530
that could occur from this thing.

508
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:09,670
It's outrageous.

509
00:41:10,450 --> 00:41:11,750
It doesn't fit in this town.

510
00:41:12,250 --> 00:41:14,630
And Garret Hill, I don't know what those people did

511
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:16,570
in that town, but they got rid of it.

512
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:18,170
It wasn't allowed to open there.

513
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:20,230
I don't know whether they knew what they did.

514
00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:21,970
I sure would like to find out

515
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:24,370
because if they got rid of it, why can't we?

516
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:28,230
I mean, it's a little town, Garret Hill.

517
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:29,750
Oh, it's not a big city, right?

518
00:41:29,890 --> 00:41:31,010
Am I right about this town?

519
00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:33,030
It's a little town.

520
00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:34,170
It's Rodner Township.

521
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:34,710
Is what?

522
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:36,190
It's our township.

523
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:38,170
Oh, it's a, there you go.

524
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:39,610
Very small business.

525
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:42,010
It doesn't want to, why should our township point it?

526
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:44,850
There's too many children in this town.

527
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:47,450
There's new families with babies and strollers.

528
00:41:47,850 --> 00:41:49,430
I've been in this town long enough.

529
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:52,770
It doesn't fit, guys.

530
00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:53,530
It doesn't fit.

531
00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:54,790
It's wrong.

532
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:55,890
It really is.

533
00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:56,630
I

534
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:11,010
just wanted to know if I could read a comment from another resident who was unfortunately

535
00:42:11,010 --> 00:42:11,590
out of state.

536
00:42:12,490 --> 00:42:15,270
Yeah, if you can let us know who you are and who you're waiting for.

537
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:15,850
Correct.

538
00:42:16,110 --> 00:42:16,890
My name is Heather Gill.

539
00:42:17,290 --> 00:42:18,390
I'm a resident of Ward 3.

540
00:42:18,590 --> 00:42:20,210
I'm reading on behalf of Kelly Martin.

541
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:22,330
She is a six-word resident.

542
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:28,210
And she wrote, did Rader's design review board approve the 12-foot high marijuana leaf wraps

543
00:42:28,210 --> 00:42:29,830
in the old Starbucks location?

544
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:33,370
How about the larger-than-life soda bottle and candy wrappers?

545
00:42:33,370 --> 00:42:40,650
If this was a serious store offering medicinal products, they would need the building to be a billboard to lure people in.

546
00:42:41,050 --> 00:42:44,370
Is this the size and type of signage approved in Ragnar for all businesses?

547
00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:46,190
Is this the new norm?

548
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:52,510
Regardless of the legality of the project sold in the shop, did the design review board approve the signage?

549
00:42:52,910 --> 00:42:56,330
Is the property zoned for two separate commercial standalone businesses?

550
00:42:56,870 --> 00:43:00,110
Did business, their agent, or the property owner seek a variance?

551
00:43:00,110 --> 00:43:01,710
Is it grandfathered?

552
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:06,490
Will the shop ever, if it's legalized in Pennsylvania, sell recreational cannabis?

553
00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:10,010
Have the questions been asked of the business owners or their agents?

554
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:14,770
The chain currently advertises curbside pickup of their entire menu for

555
00:43:14,770 --> 00:43:17,070
their new Wayne location on Lancaster Avenue.

556
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:18,370
Is this approved?

557
00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:23,250
The shop advertised on their truck and online that they are a cannabis dispensary.

558
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:25,270
Is this an approved location?

559
00:43:26,090 --> 00:43:32,190
Radner's code allows for medicinal marijuana to be sold in a stand-alone location, a thousand

560
00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:37,150
feet from the school property in a building with two entrances, a loading dock, and the

561
00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:39,890
business owner must own the building outright with no mortgage.

562
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:45,350
If this business is advertising themselves as a cannabis dispensary, shouldn't they meet

563
00:43:45,350 --> 00:43:46,530
these very simple requirements?

564
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:52,010
Did the business owners of their agents inquire about Radner's zoning codes or certificate

565
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:52,890
of occupancy?

566
00:43:52,890 --> 00:44:00,330
What steps did Radner Township take after Commissioner Jake Abel inquired about the rumor of their business on January 27th?

567
00:44:01,330 --> 00:44:02,930
Did Radner shut the businesses down?

568
00:44:03,590 --> 00:44:04,650
What are the next steps?

569
00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:08,310
Thank you for keeping all residents and parents in the loop on this.

570
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:11,830
When Radner residents fought to keep the middle school in downtown Wayne,

571
00:44:12,350 --> 00:44:17,050
they likely didn't foresee a shock advertising products, which provide a similar

572
00:44:17,050 --> 00:44:22,470
are high to recovering heroin addicts as their neighbor to our impressionable middle

573
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:28,470
schoolers, just steps away from Radner middle school, St. Catharines, the ABC House, St.

574
00:44:28,610 --> 00:44:31,210
Mary's and St. Catharines churches. Thank you.

575
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:43,110
Is there additional public comment?

576
00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:52,670
Okay, well, we don't ask and answer questions of

577
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:58,670
the public comment. I do encourage everybody to reach out to us individually. You can also

578
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:59,930
So, reach out to staff.

579
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:15,700
And in a different environment, we are able to answer more questions. So, you know, let's keep talking about it. Really grateful that everybody came out. If there's no other public comment, I'm going to move to our next item.

580
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,280
Should I do five minutes to get that?

581
00:45:33,930 --> 00:45:40,710
I'm going to make a motion for a five minute recess to allow the room to restart. Second, all in favor? Aye.

582
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:43,950
I will be back at 727.

583
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:44,080
If we could get the commissioners to the day us, I'd like to call to order.

584
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,440
Hi, good evening. We are going to reconvene.

585
01:03:00,780 --> 01:03:17,940
Again, I would like to thank the community for coming out, allowing us to hear in person face to face the concerns of the residents. And we will continue to do all we can to look into the issue and move forward.

586
01:03:17,940 --> 01:03:27,860
forward. We're moving on to the consent agenda, according to the Sunshine Act, I'm allowed

587
01:03:27,860 --> 01:03:34,940
to allow comment at the consent agenda because we vote on it, but I'd like to do public

588
01:03:34,940 --> 01:03:39,340
comment first, and then I'll ask commissioners if they would like to remove an item.

589
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:43,660
Is there any public comment on an item on the consent agenda?

590
01:03:46,610 --> 01:03:49,690
Great. Are there any items

591
01:03:49,690 --> 01:03:52,950
that a commissioner would like to remove from the consent agenda.

592
01:03:56,740 --> 01:03:57,700
I'm not hearing one,

593
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:04,420
so I would like to have a motion to vote on the consent agenda.

594
01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:09,980
So moved and second, I'll call the vote on favor, say aye.

595
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:10,640
Aye.

596
01:04:12,540 --> 01:04:14,360
Thank you. It's approved unanimously.

597
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,860
Bill, I'm going to move to reports of the manager.

598
01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:19,960
Chair.

599
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:21,140
Okay.

600
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:21,780
Happy to.

601
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:23,600
Thank you, Madam President.

602
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,500
There are two items to touch on quickly.

603
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:33,560
I'll take care of item A and then I'm going to ask Mr. Tate to step through item B. Understand

604
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,680
that we have some more lengthier items later on the agenda.

605
01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:43,520
We will make this quick but we're excited to announce to both the Board and the public that

606
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,760
that thanks to some reshuffling of duties within the finance department.

607
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,500
And thanks to Melissa Conn and her excitement and

608
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:59,920
energy that she would like to dedicate towards the township's energy and

609
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,800
Sustainability related projects, she stepped up and asked if we would consider her to step into the sustainability and grant coordinator role, or to take on those tasks. So we were able to fill another vacant seat in finance, which allowed some of Melissa's other duties to be reassigned and freed up her to the, freed up her band width to be able to tackle

610
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:35,500
some of those issues, so we're excited to let the board and the public know that Melissa

611
01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:41,300
Khan will serve as the township sustainability coordinator and she will be working with

612
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:49,340
both the EAC and the members of the green team as they relate to the renewable energy legislation

613
01:05:49,340 --> 01:05:54,500
that was adopted by the board last year, as well as any other projects that flow through

614
01:05:54,500 --> 01:05:57,580
the EAC in years to come.

615
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:04,380
And at the same time, Melissa has already jumped in head first on several different grant opportunities.

616
01:06:05,780 --> 01:06:09,120
Some of those grants are around projects that we're already looking at.

617
01:06:09,260 --> 01:06:15,780
We're taking a look at potential funding to help with the comp plan, potential funding to help with some of our storm water projects.

618
01:06:16,700 --> 01:06:23,020
And funding perhaps to help fund some of the departmental capital as it relates to.

619
01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:29,260
some of the energy related projects that are in the to-do list from that plan.

620
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,920
So she started working on some of those things already.

621
01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:39,560
And we're excited to, first of all, I'd like to thank her for volunteering to step into

622
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:40,020
that role.

623
01:06:40,820 --> 01:06:48,220
And as I explained to her, I'm super excited that she's our person because Melissa is always

624
01:06:48,220 --> 01:06:55,260
someone who is very professional, detail-oriented, and organized, and any project that she's

625
01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:59,340
been asked to do, and her time here with the township has been very successful, so I'm

626
01:06:59,340 --> 01:07:03,160
excited to have that she's the one working on it because I know it'll be good.

627
01:07:04,220 --> 01:07:07,000
So we're happy to move forward with that.

628
01:07:07,300 --> 01:07:11,940
I know she's already met with the EAC and the green team, and they've gotten the ball rolling

629
01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:12,500
there as well.

630
01:07:13,540 --> 01:07:15,180
So that's the update there.

631
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:22,620
And then transitioning to the 2021 Finance Recap, I'll turn it over to Mr. Tate.

632
01:07:24,570 --> 01:07:25,470
Thank you, Mr. White.

633
01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:26,770
And thank you, Madam President.

634
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:35,070
A couple of weeks ago, the board was provided the information on a Finance Recap for 2021.

635
01:07:36,310 --> 01:07:45,190
Just real quick, I'm very happy to summarize that the results in 2021 did exceed our budget expectations.

636
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:49,990
If you recall going into 2021, in the midst of the pandemic, we were a lot of uncertainty.

637
01:07:51,490 --> 01:07:58,210
And our budget, we held the line with taxes, fees, and very conservative projections,

638
01:07:59,050 --> 01:08:04,870
just to ensure that we were not over or underestimating the outcomes.

639
01:08:05,290 --> 01:08:10,310
And as it turned out, we did have the fund balance at the time to help carry us through.

640
01:08:10,310 --> 01:08:16,670
We were expected to dip into that fund balance to the tune of about $1.6 million.

641
01:08:17,730 --> 01:08:24,190
And a number of factors throughout 2021 helped us actually come out much the opposite.

642
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:33,330
We were favorable by surplus of about 2.8 million, a swing of about 4.4 million in total.

643
01:08:34,350 --> 01:08:39,210
That's primarily the result of better than expected real estate transfer taxes.

644
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:47,770
We saw a nice rebound in the business taxes, and there was some the federal American Recovery

645
01:08:47,770 --> 01:08:50,110
Plan Act monies, ARPA for short.

646
01:08:50,690 --> 01:08:53,630
That also helped to stabilize the budget.

647
01:08:54,370 --> 01:08:59,250
It's important to note that the federal money, and as we have talked about before,

648
01:09:02,170 --> 01:09:02,830
and

649
01:09:02,830 --> 01:09:03,930
fund balance policy.

650
01:09:04,530 --> 01:09:10,510
That money helped bring the general fund balance back into compliance with our policy.

651
01:09:11,350 --> 01:09:16,190
And along with the other results, we're building back our healthy reserve.

652
01:09:18,290 --> 01:09:22,110
So in the nutshell, that kind of summarizes how we did for the year.

653
01:09:22,290 --> 01:09:23,570
Any questions, I'll be happy to answer.

654
01:09:26,440 --> 01:09:28,960
Do any commissioners have questions for Mr. Tate?

655
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,340
I'll just say congratulations to Melissa, I think that's great news.

656
01:09:37,340 --> 01:09:40,400
and congratulations on the great financial report.

657
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,360
You know, it's a team effort, so thank you.

658
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:44,620
Thank you.

659
01:09:48,620 --> 01:09:49,560
Great. Thank you.

660
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,560
And congratulations to Melissa

661
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,740
and congratulations to all of us for

662
01:09:54,540 --> 01:09:57,860
some nice financial news tonight.

663
01:09:58,700 --> 01:09:59,980
That is...

664
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,860
Available on the website for a review on my right. Mr. Tate, is the financial report?

665
01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:11,540
That's

666
01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:16,220
already been published. That's posted. I'll double check and make sure we have it out there

667
01:10:16,220 --> 01:10:20,760
on the finance section. Yes, I think it was posted. So anybody who wants to see more detail,

668
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:32,310
please check the raddener.com website okay we're on to committee reports I will

669
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:37,430
the first item is the appointment of Angelica Carriana's to the board of

670
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:43,350
health for a four-year term ending December 31st can I have a motion to

671
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:50,970
appointment Carriana's to the board of health so moved and a second thank you

672
01:10:50,970 --> 01:11:01,040
is there any board comment is there any staff comment is there public comment I'll

673
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:08,360
call the vote all in favor say aye I prove unanimously thank you moving on to

674
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:12,440
the appointment of Andy Santilla to the parks and rec board for a five-year term

675
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:22,380
ending December 31st 2026 do I have a motion to approve and a second and is

676
01:11:22,380 --> 01:11:24,480
is there any comment from a board of commissioners?

677
01:11:26,580 --> 01:11:27,440
Any staff comment?

678
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:29,280
Is there any public comment?

679
01:11:30,740 --> 01:11:31,600
I'll call the vote.

680
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:32,900
All in favor say aye.

681
01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:34,040
Aye.

682
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,420
Approved unanimously.

683
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:43,060
Moving on to resolution 2022-21.

684
01:11:43,780 --> 01:11:50,360
130 to 132 Calvary's plain request final minor lot line change.

685
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,440
Thank you, Madam President.

686
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:59,540
Mr. Calvary's and his attorney, Mr. Cannelli, we're here last week or last meeting to present

687
01:11:59,540 --> 01:12:00,380
the plan in caucus.

688
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:02,600
This is a very minor plan.

689
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,740
It's literally moving a lot line on a piece of paper.

690
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,940
The applicant has agreed to comply with other requirements.

691
01:12:09,580 --> 01:12:14,780
Within the review letters, there are a couple of waivers that Mr. Cannelli will step through

692
01:12:14,780 --> 01:12:15,060
again.

693
01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:16,220
Thank

694
01:12:19,230 --> 01:12:19,450
you.

695
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:29,950
You may recall, as Steve mentioned, this is an existing two lots.

696
01:12:30,410 --> 01:12:36,810
All this happening here is that the lot line is being moved so that this garage will now

697
01:12:36,810 --> 01:12:43,790
entirely be on this lot here, which is termed lot 130, and then you have lot 132.

698
01:12:43,970 --> 01:12:46,450
Currently, there's no residence on either the lots.

699
01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:53,070
that's the three waivers had to deal with the traditional waiver regarding showing

700
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:59,950
principal buildings on adjacent properties. There's one regarding contour lines and

701
01:12:59,950 --> 01:13:05,210
another one regarding large trees which if these lots were ever developed they would

702
01:13:05,210 --> 01:13:10,870
have to comply with those regulations for a grading permit application and for approval

703
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:17,750
we're greeting permit. So as shown on the resolution is conditioned upon if a

704
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:22,690
greeting permit is ever applied for that the contour lines and the large

705
01:13:22,690 --> 01:13:24,790
trees would have to be shown on the plan.

706
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,040
So I'm going to make a motion. Do I have a

707
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:38,400
second? Second? Is there any board comments?

708
01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:44,750
Any staff comments?

709
01:13:47,210 --> 01:13:48,410
Any public comments?

710
01:13:50,110 --> 01:13:52,670
Great. I will call the vote. All in favor say aye.

711
01:13:53,190 --> 01:13:53,510
Aye.

712
01:13:54,370 --> 01:13:55,930
Thank you, passed unanimously.

713
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:04,980
The next item is 816 Gailor Road, request waiver of the stormowner management ordinance.

714
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:08,400
Do I have a motion?

715
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:10,480
So moved.

716
01:14:10,900 --> 01:14:11,440
And a second.

717
01:14:12,140 --> 01:14:15,500
Thank you. Is there any, Steve, are you going to leave this in?

718
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,100
Yes. Thank you, Madam President.

719
01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:38,680
So, 816-gaylor-drive is wishing to perform some slight improvements, they cannot infiltrate according to our storm order ordinance requirements based on that request, based on that situation, the resident is required to come to the board to request a waiver from the infiltration requirement of storm order management.

720
01:14:42,260 --> 01:14:45,440
My name is Edward Stassen, a resident 816-gaylor drive.

721
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:48,660
As Steve accurately pointed out, I'll look into the documentation.

722
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,440
My ground, unfortunately, does not park.

723
01:14:50,780 --> 01:14:52,160
It got a zero in the park test.

724
01:14:52,820 --> 01:14:59,980
So looking for a waiver to basically allow to place a back patio on my-

725
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,320
I went through major renovations over the past year through the pandemic. Throughout the process I did put in spreaders in the front yard and I did put in drainage. So any, I get a lot of runoff from Goshen road and everything above me. So we are trying to minimize the impact and the goal will be to put some vegetation in as well. But ultimately, the ground's completely impervious. Happy to answer any questions. So I don't feel any impact is being occurred.

726
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,580
If I put more concrete or hard skate there, obviously,

727
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,820
I'm below any other ratios that would be required

728
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:37,960
for the amount of acreage that I have.

729
01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:43,440
So, just a quick question.

730
01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:44,060
Are you in a floodplain?

731
01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:45,160
I'm sorry.

732
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:46,060
Are you in a floodplain?

733
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:46,740
No.

734
01:15:47,420 --> 01:15:47,600
Okay.

735
01:15:51,670 --> 01:15:52,190
Good evening.

736
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:53,530
Thank you so much for coming.

737
01:15:53,730 --> 01:15:53,870
Hi.

738
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:54,330
Here I am.

739
01:15:54,930 --> 01:15:56,010
A little hard if you try.

740
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:56,430
I know.

741
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:56,870
It's hard.

742
01:15:56,990 --> 01:15:57,830
It's hard to put that thing there.

743
01:15:58,730 --> 01:16:00,090
So thank you so much for coming.

744
01:16:00,110 --> 01:16:00,550
So I'm Lisa.

745
01:16:00,730 --> 01:16:01,930
I'm your Lisa Braskian, your commissioner.

746
01:16:02,710 --> 01:16:07,770
I live on Goshen Road, yeah, we've met, so sorry, it's my water coming down, I apologize

747
01:16:07,770 --> 01:16:13,250
for that. So I just have a quick question. So you already put in spreaders and you put

748
01:16:13,250 --> 01:16:17,270
in, so there's drainage in the back, and I know in the front as well, and that was part

749
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:22,310
of the project. I mean, you basically, I know you built on a footprint of an existing

750
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:24,890
home, and it looks beautiful, you've done a really nice job.

751
01:16:25,010 --> 01:16:30,930
It's still going, but it looks nice. But you already did some initial storm water as part

752
01:16:30,930 --> 01:16:44,370
of that project and that's what Steve is referencing that you did come before us before so so the patio was the patio part of your initial plan and you just are getting to it now is that or was this in addition to your plan.

753
01:16:44,770 --> 01:17:00,250
There's an existing slab that's there that we're just going to go over it. I believe at one time we did discuss and I thought there were plans in the office. I can't find them where my architect did discuss that there was going to possibly an outbuilding that I would still have to come for approval for a building permit.

754
01:17:00,250 --> 01:17:09,290
But in those numbers and when she did the calculations on what we would have been there it would be a calculated and a spreader.

755
01:17:11,540 --> 01:17:12,260
Okay, anyway.

756
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:21,180
What I do have in the backyard also is the large drain because when I bought the house I was unaware it just constantly got flooded in its prior porch.

757
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,400
So I do have a large drain there that does collect the runoff.

758
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,840
So, in the last year that I've been there, I've never had it issue.

759
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:29,760
I don't see any erosion.

760
01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:34,900
So, that drain, if we just move it forward, which we will, will capture any water.

761
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,600
And I don't see any impact that will occur.

762
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:42,520
You're increasing the drain, like you're increasing that space, the size of the drain or?

763
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,200
The drain is, I don't like it this thing to go.

764
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,020
I don't know the other guy had it.

765
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:50,860
Ian, can we get the overhead?

766
01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:51,240
Yeah.

767
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:52,720
Thank you.

768
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:59,870
I just want to be recognized, you've already done, I think, a lot of stormwater mitigation to the property.

769
01:18:00,670 --> 01:18:10,050
So in orange here, there are two large drains I put in the backyard, two feet wide by probably a total linear foot of 200 feet because of the runoff that we were getting.

770
01:18:10,290 --> 01:18:16,890
So we brought in dirt to slow it down, we planted grass and in the yellow in the front, you can see that's the spreader.

771
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:23,950
So everything from the drains, everything from the gutters, everything goes through the system and ultimately filters through the spreader system.

772
01:18:23,950 --> 01:18:28,490
So even though the ground doesn't perk, the goal was let's just slow down the water.

773
01:18:30,050 --> 01:18:33,390
So that's everything we've done and probably everything we're really able to do.

774
01:18:34,270 --> 01:18:38,350
Yes, so your property, you're like below a hill and then on a hill.

775
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:39,970
So you can just slow down here.

776
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:42,290
Okay, that was my only question.

777
01:18:42,410 --> 01:18:46,430
I just wanted everyone to be aware you already have done stormwater mitigation on the property

778
01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:47,130
and whatnot.

779
01:18:47,530 --> 01:18:48,370
Okay, great.

780
01:18:48,530 --> 01:18:49,390
Thank you very much.

781
01:18:50,230 --> 01:18:55,970
But just to clarify, no additional, you're not, I think I heard her question was.

782
01:18:56,130 --> 01:18:58,990
You're not expanding the water management system.

783
01:18:59,490 --> 01:19:03,590
Do you feel what you have is sufficient for the new piece that you're adding?

784
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:04,110
Correct.

785
01:19:04,650 --> 01:19:04,770
Okay.

786
01:19:06,930 --> 01:19:12,210
But we are expanding the hardscape, or it's kind of fun to use the word impervious coverage

787
01:19:12,210 --> 01:19:15,530
when you're dealing with something that doesn't park, which is by definition impervious.

788
01:19:15,530 --> 01:19:19,290
So putting more papers down.

789
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:23,130
Are there any other commissioner questions?

790
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:25,830
Yeah, I just have one.

791
01:19:26,090 --> 01:19:28,790
So I know it's all impervious by testing,

792
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:32,590
but the impervious coverage is how we zone things around here.

793
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:36,010
So you're still staying under that 20%.

794
01:19:36,530 --> 01:19:36,950
Yes.

795
01:19:37,190 --> 01:19:39,670
It's what I have something very close, but you're still under it.

796
01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:42,070
Yes. The numbers were providing what was submitted.

797
01:19:42,370 --> 01:19:43,490
So we sit on an acre of land.

798
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:44,550
Okay. Okay. Thanks.

799
01:19:48,700 --> 01:19:49,580
Anyone else?

800
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,020
Do they have any staff comments?

801
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,000
Is there a public comment?

802
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:56,380
I'll call the vote.

803
01:19:57,440 --> 01:19:58,420
All in favor say aye.

804
01:19:59,180 --> 01:19:59,380
Aye.

805
01:20:00,590 --> 01:20:01,330
Opposed?

806
01:20:03,550 --> 01:20:23,290
Opposed? Opposed? Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. So question, I guess. How do I proceed now? You're going to talk to Mr. Northeaning. We can talk to Mars, sir. We're going to process your grading permit. And once that's that you can apply for your building permit for all the arts. I'll give you a call tomorrow. That's fine. Very much. Okay.

807
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:30,530
Moving on to item E resolution 2022-11 approving funding in an amount not

808
01:20:30,530 --> 01:20:38,610
to exceed $200,000 to be paid from the township's contractually obligated set aside for reimbursement

809
01:20:38,610 --> 01:20:45,050
to the Willis Park Preserve for installation of a fire sprinkler system and fire panel

810
01:20:45,550 --> 01:20:47,450
at the Willis mansion.

811
01:20:50,650 --> 01:20:52,290
Can I get a motion?

812
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:53,270
So moved.

813
01:20:53,670 --> 01:20:54,210
In a second.

814
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:54,870
So moved.

815
01:20:55,150 --> 01:20:55,670
Thank you.

816
01:21:01,580 --> 01:21:05,320
So can somebody on staff lead us in on this one?

817
01:21:05,780 --> 01:21:05,940
The

818
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:15,660
commissioners last meeting you approved, it was brought up that the WPP had requested that $200,000.

819
01:21:16,340 --> 01:21:20,460
And the solicitor was directed to create a resolution memorializing that.

820
01:21:23,140 --> 01:21:28,960
The Township has an existing lease with the WPP and it provides for funding.

821
01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:36,760
this is part of that funding that's been requested, the $200,000.

822
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:44,960
And I know that the willow executive director and board members are here from the Willow Park

823
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:51,580
Preserve to commissioners have any questions for staff or we could bring up a board member.

824
01:21:55,590 --> 01:22:02,570
So I guess this would go to either Will or Krista or maybe power to this Howard here.

825
01:22:02,690 --> 01:22:03,330
Yeah, sorry.

826
01:22:03,870 --> 01:22:04,610
Good morning.

827
01:22:04,630 --> 01:22:07,650
Yeah, I wanted you to come up with just one or two questions.

828
01:22:11,220 --> 01:22:14,300
But before I start, let me just ask a housekeeping question.

829
01:22:15,020 --> 01:22:23,340
We issue, if this is approved, and we issue the $200,000 from our bucket.

830
01:22:24,260 --> 01:22:27,940
Do we write them a check and then they can do whatever they want with it?

831
01:22:28,140 --> 01:22:29,640
I mean, do they pick the contractor?

832
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:30,740
Does it come to us?

833
01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:32,000
Who pays the contractor?

834
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,420
Who pays the person that installs?

835
01:22:34,500 --> 01:22:35,340
It's their contractor.

836
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:37,060
So they pay them.

837
01:22:37,660 --> 01:22:37,860
Correct.

838
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:38,520
Okay. Good.

839
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,040
One of you come up because I got to have a question.

840
01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:42,560
So I'm going to piggyback on that.

841
01:22:43,780 --> 01:22:48,960
Are we, because it says to not to exceed, are we reimbursing the work that's done?

842
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:59,040
We're not handing them a $200,000 check, but they would submit their invoices for reimbursement up to that amount, am I right?

843
01:23:00,220 --> 01:23:16,500
Well, I think what Bill had recommended on the funding and it's in the resolution so there'll be an initial, once we see what the estimates are, there'll be an initial payment reimbursement payment from the township in a half of what the estimated cost is.

844
01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:19,780
and then any final payment would be upon receipt

845
01:23:19,780 --> 01:23:22,660
of the actual invoices for the work that gets completed.

846
01:23:24,970 --> 01:23:25,510
Thank you.

847
01:23:25,950 --> 01:23:26,810
I think Kristin now.

848
01:23:27,210 --> 01:23:28,490
Kristin, can I ask a few to come up?

849
01:23:29,370 --> 01:23:30,510
I can't follow up on it.

850
01:23:30,730 --> 01:23:31,930
I'm going to start with you.

851
01:23:32,370 --> 01:23:33,450
Thank you.

852
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:36,200
Thanks.

853
01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:42,760
So while back you had a slate fundraiser,

854
01:23:42,780 --> 01:23:43,240
is that correct?

855
01:23:43,860 --> 01:23:44,060
That's correct.

856
01:23:45,140 --> 01:23:47,280
The whispering patio is that correct?

857
01:23:47,780 --> 01:23:49,060
The whispering terrace, yes.

858
01:23:49,060 --> 01:23:50,520
And how much was raised?

859
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:55,680
So we've launched the great slate challenge in 2020,

860
01:23:56,410 --> 01:24:01,820
and the goals were to raise 500,000 and the project scope

861
01:24:01,820 --> 01:24:04,540
and objectives, and I'll read off the copy

862
01:24:04,540 --> 01:24:07,460
that was in the website and all the marketing collateral

863
01:24:07,460 --> 01:24:09,280
that went out to prospective donors.

864
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,940
It was, please help us in raising 500,000 to build a new

865
01:24:13,940 --> 01:24:20,880
with Plain Terrace and to restore and expand our existing terraces, and it goes on to describe the project scope.

866
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:29,000
So we found ourselves about a year later in 2021 having raised 6% of those goals.

867
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:35,880
I was a contributor to the board members, or I personally contributed over $2,000 to that campaign, which put me in the top five.

868
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:43,740
But we decided since we were at 6% a little over 30,000, that was enough funding to accomplish what was

869
01:24:43,740 --> 01:24:49,240
part of the scope which was the restoration of existing terraces but there was still a big gap

870
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:56,220
between the goals to be able to construct a new terrace. So the board made a decision to put

871
01:24:56,220 --> 01:24:59,980
to pause on it while we just reassess what we can-

872
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:11,940
We can do differently to achieve the project's objectives. We weren't comfortable asking donors to contribute through this specific campaign until we had a clear path forward on how we were going to reach the goals.

873
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:14,660
So let me just make my point here.

874
01:25:14,860 --> 01:25:17,880
So I think everyone here wants to see you guys succeed.

875
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,240
I mean, I want to see it succeed more than anything.

876
01:25:20,780 --> 01:25:26,640
You spend time this board, this board, your board,

877
01:25:27,340 --> 01:25:31,780
and the tang, and it is a true treasure of the township.

878
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,400
My concern is that you raised,

879
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:40,860
and this is coming from the resident who made a donation.

880
01:25:42,660 --> 01:25:45,680
You raised $30,000, it's a significant amount.

881
01:25:45,820 --> 01:25:50,640
I understand that we had COVID, and you give money,

882
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,920
you want your name on a slate that you did it,

883
01:25:53,980 --> 01:25:56,000
and it's not there.

884
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,580
So my concern is that we're gonna issue money, $200,000.

885
01:26:01,860 --> 01:26:05,820
And if that money may, I believe that it probably will,

886
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,980
but based on this trend that you're raising money

887
01:26:08,980 --> 01:26:14,200
from the public, from I don't know, 30, 40, you know, those people, and that money didn't go.

888
01:26:14,540 --> 01:26:17,200
It really didn't go for what it was supposed to do.

889
01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:19,960
It was supposed to be a slate, it was supposed to be on the whispering terrace.

890
01:26:20,340 --> 01:26:26,560
I mean, you can say, well, we had to change it, but if I gave that money, and this is, you know, coming in, and I'm just

891
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:36,400
regurgitating what I've heard, I would be what's, you know, upset, concerned, and now I'm concerned that

892
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:42,160
that we're going to issue $200,000, you're going to get it and I believe that you're going

893
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:48,820
to write those checks but at this point now, I'm just, you know, I mean, I'm looking

894
01:26:48,820 --> 01:26:54,840
at the, all I can do is look at the track record and yeah, yes, no, I do have a question.

895
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:55,320
Okay.

896
01:26:55,500 --> 01:26:57,320
I mean, I'm with the $200,000 vote.

897
01:26:57,420 --> 01:27:00,300
I get it, but if you could ask a question, pardon?

898
01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:02,160
I can ask a question.

899
01:27:02,460 --> 01:27:03,480
No, it's commission or comment.

900
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,460
And I'm making my comments.

901
01:27:05,580 --> 01:27:08,240
And my comments will be a comment and or a question.

902
01:27:08,860 --> 01:27:09,040
Thanks.

903
01:27:09,860 --> 01:27:20,600
So my issue is that this money doesn't get there or part of it gets there.

904
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:25,040
And now we're in a situation where I don't know.

905
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:36,920
So, if you want to respond to that, if you want to, I do, thank you, because there's nothing that we value more than the trust of the community and those that would give us a donation.

906
01:27:37,580 --> 01:27:43,640
I would respectfully disagree with you that the money didn't go for something that was within the project scope.

907
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,260
The, you know, purchase of slate was never intended to be little.

908
01:27:48,820 --> 01:27:57,840
Your name was not going to be on a slate that would, that you would go and you'd walk on the new terracing, you would see your name engraved on a slate.

909
01:27:57,940 --> 01:28:07,420
It was never intended to be that literal, but I will say that nothing that I do or that the decisions that we make are always done in consultation with third parties.

910
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:14,440
I can have my own opinion about what was in scope or not in scope, but we always consult with a third party accounting firm.

911
01:28:14,440 --> 01:28:21,240
We'll go through an independent audit and review with another firm, and then we consult with our council.

912
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:29,160
So until we check all those boxes, we don't make determinations about restricted funds.

913
01:28:30,580 --> 01:28:35,800
Okay, it just seems to me that you had a fundraiser based on one thing, and

914
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:42,440
And I just, my opinion from what I've seen is that it, that I, I, misrepresentate,

915
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,060
there was issues with COVID, I get it.

916
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:52,920
But it just didn't seem to go there in the manner that, from what I read, that if I gave money and I didn't,

917
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,640
but I know someone that did, that was just, yeah, concern.

918
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:58,020
And that raises that red flag.

919
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,580
Well, we certainly want anybody that had a concern to come to us.

920
01:29:01,580 --> 01:29:03,860
We did talk about this in our April newsletter.

921
01:29:03,860 --> 01:29:10,240
There's probably things that we can do differently and better in terms of the communication.

922
01:29:10,460 --> 01:29:11,620
And we are always looking to improve.

923
01:29:12,220 --> 01:29:17,580
But again, the scope said to build a new whispering terrace and to restore and

924
01:29:17,580 --> 01:29:19,020
expand our existing terraces.

925
01:29:19,460 --> 01:29:23,940
And that was within all of the marketing collateral that we use for this particular campaign.

926
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:27,600
Would you be open to having the township pay the bill?

927
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,520
You contract it out and having the township right to check her now.

928
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,720
So the township is going to just give you $200,000, so that's correct.

929
01:29:37,260 --> 01:29:44,340
Yeah, and the way it worked, I would expect that it would work the way it did when the township reimburse us for startup costs.

930
01:29:45,020 --> 01:29:49,160
We will, it's a reimbursement, or it was a reimbursement.

931
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:50,620
Is this going to be a reimbursement or this, or not?

932
01:29:50,620 --> 01:29:58,620
This would be a reimbursement, we will get a check, we will execute the project and we'll get a check from the township similar to what was done with the startup costs.

933
01:29:59,520 --> 01:29:59,960
I'll be more.

934
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,460
I'm not comfortable with who's a reimbursement. Well, we're going to get a check. Showing the reimbursements in the resolution. So it is a reimbursement? Yeah. I thought you said that they're going to get a check. No. We're going to cut them a check and then they spend it. No. Okay. There's a check and balance. That was never said. Yeah. Yeah. There's a. That's what I heard. That's what I thought I heard. You got to say. If you look at the at the resolution language, it does allow for an initial installment payment.

935
01:30:29,460 --> 01:30:34,220
will be made to the Willis Park Reserve in the amount of one half of the estimated cost for

936
01:30:34,220 --> 01:30:39,820
the improvement to be made at the start of the project. That follows upon where it says that it

937
01:30:39,820 --> 01:30:46,500
will be a reimbursement up to and not to exceed $200,000. So they'll get some upfront to be able to

938
01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:53,280
engage. I would imagine their contractors. Yeah. And then submit invoices for reimbursement.

939
01:30:53,980 --> 01:30:59,100
And I wanted to reiterate that we, again, we put it on pause just because of the gap

940
01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:01,780
between where we were and where we wanted to be.

941
01:31:02,060 --> 01:31:06,820
We are still looking at other methods to get their silent fundraising, perhaps finding

942
01:31:06,820 --> 01:31:07,660
a matching donor.

943
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,700
It's just still, I just want to make clear it's still a priority of our board to have a

944
01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:11,940
new table.

945
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:13,880
How much of that 30,000 has been spent?

946
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:22,960
We spent 23,000 on the refurbishment, which included installing new flagstone and we took

947
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:27,700
out what were flower beds and trees and installed new flagstone and then refurbished the existing terrace.

948
01:31:28,380 --> 01:31:33,160
And then we have done the grading that would support an eventual terrace.

949
01:31:33,580 --> 01:31:34,060
Welcome to terrace.

950
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:34,680
Thank you.

951
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,700
Does anybody else have questions for Ms. Hickson?

952
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:42,700
No, you're good.

953
01:31:43,580 --> 01:31:43,980
Thank you.

954
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,520
Any other questions or comments from the board?

955
01:31:48,660 --> 01:31:54,020
Well, I just have one comment and everybody knows it, but just so the public knows it as well is that in order to get

956
01:31:54,020 --> 01:31:57,080
But they're certificate of occupancy, they have to have these sprinklers.

957
01:31:57,820 --> 01:32:05,140
So they're totally stalled as far as doing anything in the building of any size, unless

958
01:32:05,140 --> 01:32:06,680
this sprinklers go in.

959
01:32:10,250 --> 01:32:13,290
Is there any staff comment on this issue?

960
01:32:13,630 --> 01:32:14,530
They're public comment.

961
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:16,550
I'm going to call the vote.

962
01:32:16,710 --> 01:32:17,810
All in favor say aye.

963
01:32:18,510 --> 01:32:18,950
Aye.

964
01:32:19,290 --> 01:32:19,690
Any nay?

965
01:32:20,530 --> 01:32:22,830
One nay from Commissioner Abel.

966
01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:24,570
Congratulations.

967
01:32:28,190 --> 01:32:37,550
Moving to the next item on the Agenda Resolution 2022-15, authorizing the award of Construction

968
01:32:37,550 --> 01:32:45,870
Contract B-21-012 for Lancaster Avenue Sanitary Sewer System Replacement Project to

969
01:32:45,870 --> 01:32:53,170
A.J. Jurek Incorporated, and allowances for contingency and construction inspection and

970
01:32:53,170 --> 01:33:01,450
services in the total amount of $370, $2,610 to be funded through the sanitary sewer fund.

971
01:33:01,970 --> 01:33:06,390
Do I hear a motion to approve and a second?

972
01:33:07,670 --> 01:33:08,450
Okay, thank you.

973
01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:11,750
Steve, can I ask you to lead us in on this one?

974
01:33:12,050 --> 01:33:12,770
Yes, Madam President.

975
01:33:13,030 --> 01:33:19,470
So as we have in many areas of Wayne, this is a very aging sewer line that runs along Lancaster

976
01:33:19,470 --> 01:33:20,950
Avenue and then goes through our park.

977
01:33:21,690 --> 01:33:29,670
We've had recent development in that area, and we need to be able to accommodate that development with, we need to replace these aging lines.

978
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:42,030
So this line runs through the Veterans Park and connects to another existing line, and it will take the flows from the Emerson development across the street.

979
01:33:42,510 --> 01:33:49,450
And ultimately through another project, the 20 unit condos down at 427 East Lancaster.

980
01:33:49,450 --> 01:33:55,270
and age age work has been vetted they've been around a long time so the projects

981
01:33:55,270 --> 01:34:01,870
approximately 298,000 contingency of approximately 44,000 and the inspections

982
01:34:01,870 --> 01:34:06,550
for 29,000 so we're asking for approval of all the above thank

983
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:09,820
you are there any

984
01:34:09,820 --> 01:34:12,760
questions or comments from commissioners okay

985
01:34:17,790 --> 01:34:22,230
is there any public comment I will

986
01:34:22,230 --> 01:34:23,750
vote. All in favor say aye.

987
01:34:24,330 --> 01:34:24,590
Aye.

988
01:34:26,130 --> 01:34:27,630
Is that unanimous? Thank you.

989
01:34:30,500 --> 01:34:35,240
Moving to item G resolution 2022-14.

990
01:34:36,580 --> 01:34:38,580
I thought I just read that.

991
01:34:38,700 --> 01:34:41,200
Sorry. Authorizing the award of construction contract.

992
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:48,240
B21-010 for the Gulf Creek Stream Bed's stream bank

993
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:51,680
stabilization at 210 Gulf Creek Road.

994
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:59,880
project to Stonewood Landshaping Incorporated and allowances for contingency and

995
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,420
Section, inspection, and services in the total amount of $90,600 to be funded through the stormwater fund. Do I hear a motion to approve or? We'll just a motion to do I hear. Well, it's a motion to approve. Thank you. Sorry. Second, sorry. And is there any lead in from you on this, Mr. Norseany?

996
01:35:29,420 --> 01:35:30,600
Thank you, Commissioner.

997
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:36,480
So this, we have a 1950s ease of an agreement with this property owner,

998
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,600
and regarding the retaining wall in the property, retaining wall was installed several years ago.

999
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:47,240
There was some additional erosion at the tail end of the wall, so this is to extend that wall

1000
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:54,460
approximately 10 feet to add bolstering rip wrap to the base of the existing retaining wall,

1001
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,100
and address some other areas of erosion along that property.

1002
01:35:58,100 --> 01:36:04,260
And again, this is for the full construction, inspection, and contingency that we're requesting.

1003
01:36:06,270 --> 01:36:14,130
So this is an easement, but the project is on the property of the homeowner?

1004
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:20,530
Correct. So in the early 50s, the township received an easement for a storm.

1005
01:36:20,530 --> 01:36:27,250
So we're pipe that empties run off from the Gulf, from the cricket lane area, down this property.

1006
01:36:27,250 --> 01:36:33,430
And very specifically it said in the easement that we are required to protect this property's

1007
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:34,150
stream bank.

1008
01:36:34,670 --> 01:36:42,490
So we did a major project there several years ago and I think this will tie up some additional

1009
01:36:42,490 --> 01:36:45,230
erosion that is concerned as well as bolster upwards there.

1010
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:47,370
Thank you.

1011
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:48,350
Any other board members?

1012
01:36:49,750 --> 01:36:50,210
Comments?

1013
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:54,120
Anything else from staff?

1014
01:36:55,040 --> 01:37:00,260
they're public comment. I will call the vote. All in favor say aye.

1015
01:37:01,340 --> 01:37:02,740
Aye. Opposed?

1016
01:37:03,420 --> 01:37:04,960
Last unanimously. Thank you.

1017
01:37:06,660 --> 01:37:14,820
On to Resolution 2022-20 authorizing the payment of change order number 18 to road con ink

1018
01:37:14,820 --> 01:37:23,340
for the modification of stormowner base number 1 for the Radner cap trail project in the amount of 23,973

1019
01:37:23,340 --> 01:37:28,340
$8.41, and I get a motion to move to the second.

1020
01:37:28,740 --> 01:37:31,980
Thank you, Mr. Norseini, I think this is you again.

1021
01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:36,280
Thank you, Commissioner, so hopefully everybody's got to look at the tap trail.

1022
01:37:36,500 --> 01:37:39,140
It's complete, it looks great, and people are using it.

1023
01:37:39,860 --> 01:37:47,020
You may also note that Stormwater Management System number one, which is near the intersection of Lancaster Avenue and

1024
01:37:47,020 --> 01:37:53,260
Ragnarchester Road doesn't drain well, and this is another issue with the infiltration rates.

1025
01:37:53,900 --> 01:38:04,380
So, working through the conservation district and the EEP, we asked for the ability to fix this basin.

1026
01:38:04,540 --> 01:38:13,260
Which really will entail running a pipe from that basin to stormwater management system number two, which does function properly.

1027
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:19,600
And the school district, I've been in touch with Bill Dolan, he's very much aware of what this project is.

1028
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:27,400
So, this is to get that project completed by the existing, by the contractor that did the tap trail.

1029
01:38:29,780 --> 01:38:32,280
Thank you, any commissioner comment?

1030
01:38:36,250 --> 01:38:38,120
So I just have a quick question, Steve.

1031
01:38:39,370 --> 01:38:44,520
So it says that there was, there's a 6,000 and change.

1032
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:48,640
Is that going to come, so that's outside the contingency?

1033
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,920
Are we like tapped out on the top trail?

1034
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,560
Thank you, Commissioner, for picking up that oversight of mine.

1035
01:38:56,180 --> 01:39:02,680
So as you could recall, we did have considerable change orders for the tap trail due to unsuitable soil.

1036
01:39:03,580 --> 01:39:12,720
So yes, this takes us up, completes the contingency and we're requesting $6,000 to be funded outside of that contingency to complete this work.

1037
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:19,180
And I will, I'm going to really hold my breath when they say this, but this should be the last time I appear before this board.

1038
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:23,980
And Mr. Royce had perked up requesting change orders for the tap trail.

1039
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:25,500
This is to complete the trail.

1040
01:39:26,020 --> 01:39:27,380
Did somebody bring the champagne?

1041
01:39:28,380 --> 01:39:30,520
Yeah, we'll take an oath on that.

1042
01:39:33,140 --> 01:39:41,360
So will that come from the general obligation bond, where we initially funded some of that trail from?

1043
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:46,080
Like where is it 6,000 going to come from the general fund?

1044
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:47,040
Where do we plan?

1045
01:39:47,340 --> 01:39:48,240
They'll take general fund?

1046
01:39:48,980 --> 01:39:51,400
Well, in this, yeah.

1047
01:39:51,580 --> 01:39:54,700
So the 6,000 will come out of the general obligation bond fund.

1048
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,240
And as we've done with the other projects through the years,

1049
01:39:58,240 --> 01:39:59,980
the variances...

1050
01:40:00,110 --> 01:40:28,570
One project help others out. At the same time, the project funds are invested, so there's interest earnings to be used for situations like this, too. So the fund isn't is in good shape. This is something that it can absorb without a problem. So long as it's the last one. And Mr. Narcini seems to have promised that this will be the last one. Okay, so it is from the 2019 bond, but we still I know that there were some projects that went under.

1051
01:40:28,570 --> 01:40:36,530
So we are kind of still status quo when it comes to that funding for that overall.

1052
01:40:36,770 --> 01:40:36,930
All right.

1053
01:40:37,970 --> 01:40:44,810
And just to elaborate, so I presented at the friends of Harvard Trails, they had an annual

1054
01:40:44,810 --> 01:40:50,650
form every year where municipalities were all over present about their trails and I presented

1055
01:40:50,650 --> 01:40:56,190
about everything that is great going on here in Radner and people were very impressed with

1056
01:40:56,190 --> 01:41:01,810
our commitment to the trails, our commitment to just, you know, continuing what is, I mean,

1057
01:41:01,890 --> 01:41:07,790
the tap trails definitely a continuation of other trails from other parts of the area.

1058
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:12,110
The work we're going to be doing at the Radner Trail, the extension there, which is part

1059
01:41:12,110 --> 01:41:18,590
of the Heinz, the Heinz-Porge trail, I'm forgetting the exact name.

1060
01:41:18,990 --> 01:41:22,610
But part of the Rails to Trails project, so everyone was very impressed.

1061
01:41:22,610 --> 01:41:31,930
And Mr. Anderson and Mr. Capella and everyone else, our public works team, Mr. White, everyone who has worked on the funding for all these trails.

1062
01:41:31,930 --> 01:41:32,850
You should be very proud.

1063
01:41:33,470 --> 01:41:37,190
We really stack up well when it comes to the work that's being done.

1064
01:41:37,450 --> 01:41:39,010
So, thank you all very much.

1065
01:41:41,890 --> 01:41:43,190
Any other commissioners?

1066
01:41:45,740 --> 01:41:46,780
Any comment from staff?

1067
01:41:47,660 --> 01:41:49,040
And is there public comment?

1068
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:51,420
Seeing none, I'll call the vote.

1069
01:41:51,620 --> 01:41:52,520
All in favor say aye.

1070
01:41:52,520 --> 01:42:06,100
I pass unanimously, thank you, and on to ordinance 2022-02, the introduction of handicapped space at 1-3-1 plant avenue.

1071
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:08,460
Do I hear a motion?

1072
01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:10,520
In a second.

1073
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:12,520
Thank you.

1074
01:42:14,060 --> 01:42:15,900
Mr. Norseini, is this also you?

1075
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:21,980
But I can take.

1076
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:22,820
Chief, there he is.

1077
01:42:29,250 --> 01:42:40,310
This is in reference to we have previously reviewed that they have submitted to the highway patrol unit the needed paperwork, which is a signature from a physician relating the medical need for this.

1078
01:42:40,410 --> 01:42:43,150
We are requesting the Board of Commissioners to enact this ordinance, please.

1079
01:42:44,290 --> 01:42:45,550
Thank you very much.

1080
01:42:45,950 --> 01:42:47,510
Is there any board comment?

1081
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:50,210
Anything else from staff?

1082
01:42:51,570 --> 01:42:52,970
And is there public comment?

1083
01:42:54,290 --> 01:42:55,550
I will call the vote.

1084
01:42:55,730 --> 01:42:56,590
All in favor say aye.

1085
01:42:57,490 --> 01:43:09,110
I pass unanimously. Thank you. And there are the remaining items on the agenda are discussion

1086
01:43:09,110 --> 01:43:16,370
and direction on several items that are coming up in front of from staff to the board.

1087
01:43:17,210 --> 01:43:23,590
And I would like to ask Township Manager Bill White to start us with item J discussion

1088
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:27,690
and direction to staff regarding comprehensive planning?

1089
01:43:30,690 --> 01:43:39,270
Absolutely, just quickly with this item as well as the redistricting, given the fact that

1090
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:47,070
there are two large, very public facing projects that we don't do very often, we want

1091
01:43:47,070 --> 01:43:53,430
to add them to tonight's agenda to make sure we have this discussion and ensure that the

1092
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:56,930
The actions we're taking are in line with what the board's expectations are.

1093
01:43:57,950 --> 01:43:59,870
So that's why we added them to the agenda.

1094
01:44:00,670 --> 01:44:04,270
Specific to the comp plan if you'll recall at the January 24th meeting,

1095
01:44:04,490 --> 01:44:10,250
the board authorized us to solicit RFPs for interrested firms.

1096
01:44:11,150 --> 01:44:23,050
In that legislative item, we had included a proposed schedule which I actually instead of trying to guess.

1097
01:44:23,050 --> 01:44:28,630
So if Kevin, if you could just quickly step through what that schedule was and then I'll take it up from there.

1098
01:44:28,810 --> 01:44:29,950
Absolutely, thank you Mr. White.

1099
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:35,610
When we prepared this proposal for the agenda item for your last meeting,

1100
01:44:35,810 --> 01:44:41,030
we had a tentatively scheduled laid out that would have put responses for

1101
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:47,490
the RFP due into the township March 23rd with hard copies on March 24th.

1102
01:44:47,850 --> 01:44:51,950
A question and answer period which would have closed on March 10th.

1103
01:44:52,590 --> 01:44:59,210
And then we would have provided answers to that March 16th with an anticipation of a special meeting in front of this board

1104
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,840
Middle to the end of May for two to three consultants that were selected to make presentations in front of this board. And as part of that process, we were looking at establishing a comprehensive committee, selection committee that would consist of three members of the Board of Commissioners, Mr. White, Mr. Narsini, Melissa Khan, which we mentioned earlier is a sustainability coordinator. And myself, we would vet

1105
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:39,120
That's the proposals coming in, make a short selection and that short selection would then be passed on to this board for final presentations and consideration.

1106
01:45:40,300 --> 01:45:57,600
We said we had a tentative schedule, but through Melissa's work, we've identified some granting funding opportunities that may put us slate the lay and when this RFP goes out, we're learning that there are specific steps with this funding that we don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves.

1107
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:02,360
Otherwise, we could either miss out on funding or a portion of that funding.

1108
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:06,560
So Melissa has attended some webinars on those.

1109
01:46:06,820 --> 01:46:20,500
I think one last week and one today, we're going to gather the research to see if these are grants that we can apply for that can possibly pay for up to 50% of the funding needed for the redevelopment of this comp plan.

1110
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:22,500
Thank you, Kevin.

1111
01:46:24,020 --> 01:46:25,440
So two things.

1112
01:46:25,700 --> 01:46:31,580
First of all, that caught not necessarily a schedule, but

1113
01:46:31,580 --> 01:46:36,400
series of events that get us from RFP to decision on the consultant.

1114
01:46:37,060 --> 01:46:38,820
That's one step.

1115
01:46:38,940 --> 01:46:40,200
That's obviously the first step.

1116
01:46:40,700 --> 01:46:45,100
And that recommendation was made after discussing and

1117
01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:46,980
internally looking at what other communities did.

1118
01:46:46,980 --> 01:46:51,360
So we want to make sure that the board's on okay with that proposal.

1119
01:46:51,620 --> 01:46:58,220
And then the second part of it is making sure that there's an understanding between the board and staff on.

1120
01:46:58,340 --> 01:47:11,820
Once we have the firm selected what, how does the how does the comp plan proceed moving forward in terms of the public meetings, specific areas that we talked about one earlier tonight.

1121
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:20,920
specific things that the board would like to see addressed, making sure that we're incorporating all of the different elements.

1122
01:47:21,480 --> 01:47:30,560
Again, understanding that we don't do this very often, so we want to make sure that when we do it now, we do it right.

1123
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:36,100
We do it comprehensively, and it's something that we're all satisfied with in the end.

1124
01:47:36,100 --> 01:47:38,060
So those are the two things.

1125
01:47:38,220 --> 01:47:40,760
First of all, making sure that the board is okay with the process

1126
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:45,860
and selecting the firm and then, you know, getting the board's thoughts

1127
01:47:45,860 --> 01:47:51,440
in direction on what you see the process being once that firm selected.

1128
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:57,300
And I'll add one more qualifier to that is the,

1129
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:01,120
ultimately when we select a firm,

1130
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:06,820
And part of our expectation of that firm is to shepherd us through a process.

1131
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:13,080
So getting an understanding tonight will ensure that we're incorporating in those documents

1132
01:48:13,420 --> 01:48:19,400
and are communicating to the firms accurately what you want the larger process to look like.

1133
01:48:20,740 --> 01:48:26,900
So that's why tonight would be a good night to get that direction as we're finalizing these

1134
01:48:26,900 --> 01:48:28,100
documents to move forward.

1135
01:48:28,100 --> 01:48:28,680
Can

1136
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:35,830
I ask a question, how interactive is this going to be with the residents?

1137
01:48:36,850 --> 01:48:44,470
Would you bring out or to over the, we hire, could they have town halls, maybe a bunch

1138
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:44,990
of them?

1139
01:48:45,470 --> 01:48:49,590
Because what's important in my ward, may not be important in an animal reason ward.

1140
01:48:50,690 --> 01:48:55,870
And then they'll have to marry that and kind of, you know, readjust that.

1141
01:48:55,950 --> 01:49:00,010
Is that something that is being planned, is that talked about or?

1142
01:49:00,010 --> 01:49:06,510
Yeah, no, so that's a really good point and what I mean what the baseline expectation would be is that

1143
01:49:07,170 --> 01:49:09,510
You know, perhaps we have a

1144
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:15,870
Complan steering committee that incorporates commissioners and key stakeholders in various areas of the township

1145
01:49:16,450 --> 01:49:20,490
From the residential the commercial institutional all the different

1146
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:25,350
stakeholder groups that we have and then that

1147
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:32,790
Right, that steering committee with the assistance of the consultant holds, yes, a series

1148
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:33,610
of public meetings.

1149
01:49:33,770 --> 01:49:40,350
How those are organized, we can ultimately determine, maybe, I don't know, a ward by

1150
01:49:40,350 --> 01:49:47,190
ward, maybe not, but issue by issue, zoning area, those types of things.

1151
01:49:47,950 --> 01:49:55,330
But yes, I mean, I think having a lot of public discussion is going to be critical to make

1152
01:49:55,330 --> 01:49:59,390
make sure that, again, the plan is comprehensive and incorporates.

1153
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:28,120
The issues that we want to see incorporated. And how long are you looking, how long does this, does the plan take? I know they need to get feedback. They come up up with something. I'm sure they're going to have to get feedback. And it's, I mean, I'm thinking right now it's probably like Phenomore Woods, maybe. But is that kind of the process? I mean, it's going to, it's going to take a while. Yeah, during the budget discussions, we had talked about a two-year process, at least two years.

1154
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:33,220
And we had spread the cost out over, you know, 2022 and 23 anticipating that.

1155
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:41,460
But ultimately, I think the board has some control on how quickly or, I don't want to

1156
01:50:41,460 --> 01:50:45,260
say slowly, maybe methodically, it's a better term to get through the process.

1157
01:50:45,460 --> 01:50:50,220
Because at the end, we want to plan that we're happy with for at least the next 10 years.

1158
01:50:52,980 --> 01:50:58,740
And just for a clarification point that I may have missed, Kevin, did you say that there

1159
01:50:58,740 --> 01:51:03,320
The RFPs have not yet gone out because we're looking into the grant support?

1160
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:04,040
Correct.

1161
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:19,960
There are certain steps that you need to take, so our initial contact with the state on one grant, they recommended holding off until we get some further direction if we proceed in a certain manner that could render us in eligible for the grant.

1162
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,840
So we're trying to get all of the information to see if these are grants.

1163
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:29,720
A, that are valid for this type of project, be that there's funding and see when the timeline is for

1164
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:37,600
submittal, because certain activities in cost that we would incur getting up to a grant application would not be included.

1165
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:49,380
So we don't want to go too far down the road to find out that the RFP would need to be tailored and have to resubmit it out for proposals if we missed a step through a specific grant requirement.

1166
01:51:50,440 --> 01:51:54,400
And if I could just add a little bit, I mean, the other element that we're looking at here is

1167
01:51:55,560 --> 01:52:01,920
while we want to pursue the grant funding, we also don't want to delay the project for too long of a time.

1168
01:52:01,940 --> 01:52:05,780
So we're trying to get a better understanding of what the application and award period is.

1169
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:12,720
And if it's months and months and months, we may come back to the board and say,

1170
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:18,440
it's probably not worth the wait since we're excited to get this moving forward.

1171
01:52:18,440 --> 01:52:25,040
But we're, I mean, that's what Melissa's working on now, literally late last week is when

1172
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:31,660
we started learning about the opportunities and started digging in, so when do you expect

1173
01:52:31,660 --> 01:52:32,360
to make a decision?

1174
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:37,440
I think one of the last seminars Melissa attended was today.

1175
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:42,140
We have not had a chance to talk to her about what the requirements for that grant were.

1176
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:46,540
There were two from the state that we were looking at and we found out one we were ineligible

1177
01:52:46,540 --> 01:52:47,240
for already.

1178
01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:53,100
So they were pointing us more towards a later spring early summer

1179
01:52:53,100 --> 01:52:57,440
submittal. I'm not sure what the deadlines and requirements are for this other

1180
01:52:57,440 --> 01:53:02,220
grant opportunity. Some of them have a 50% match. Other ones only have a 10% match.

1181
01:53:02,700 --> 01:53:07,280
So timing and funding availability, amount of funding available can also

1182
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:08,820
impact the decision on these.

1183
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:18,620
So Mr. White, I guess as far as the discussion and direction of staff,

1184
01:53:18,620 --> 01:53:21,680
Can you articulate what the question is?

1185
01:53:21,820 --> 01:53:23,780
Yep, so we'll break this down into two bites.

1186
01:53:23,780 --> 01:53:26,840
The first is the review and selection of the firm,

1187
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:30,400
making sure that the,

1188
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:34,160
maybe not the dates that Kevin outlined a moment ago,

1189
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:36,900
but the steps and the decision making process

1190
01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:39,100
to get through the RFP and select a firm

1191
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:42,460
if the board is agreeable to that plan.

1192
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:45,040
And Kevin, maybe just step through that again

1193
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:46,700
without the dates, just the steps,

1194
01:53:47,340 --> 01:53:49,720
So that we can absorb it a little bit.

1195
01:53:51,180 --> 01:53:58,760
Sure, I think the first that would be establishing the selection committee, which, again, would be myself, you, Mr.

1196
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,100
and Mr. and Ms. Conn and three members of the board.

1197
01:54:01,420 --> 01:54:04,420
So we need to establish the members of the board.

1198
01:54:04,980 --> 01:54:14,520
But then once the RFP is sent out, there is a close of question period, then we would have about a week

1199
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:17,460
to turn around answers to those questions.

1200
01:54:17,860 --> 01:54:19,500
Everything is done through the PennBid website,

1201
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:23,180
so interested responders sending questions,

1202
01:54:23,540 --> 01:54:26,580
anybody that has expressed interest receives notification

1203
01:54:26,580 --> 01:54:28,180
that a question has been submitted.

1204
01:54:28,660 --> 01:54:31,320
When we answer that, everybody receives the same information.

1205
01:54:32,100 --> 01:54:36,320
So that would be about a week time between the deadline

1206
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:39,440
for questions and the time we return answers.

1207
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:53,400
from there, we would have approximately another two weeks before that to final proposals do electronically and in the day for the hard copies of those.

1208
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:57,620
We would get enough copies, hard copies for the members on this election committee.

1209
01:54:58,260 --> 01:54:59,920
So we're talking about a

1210
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:30,200
Two-month window from the time the RFP goes out to the time that this selection committee identifies two to three consultants, and then we would schedule a public meeting for those two or three consultants to make presentations to the board as a whole. Where questions can be answered, proposals can be tailored in terms of their process, their techniques, comprehensive plans and public participation can vary in how they're implemented and what techniques and practices that an individual firm uses.

1211
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:35,420
You may hear something from one consultant, but like another consultant better with the overall package.

1212
01:55:36,100 --> 01:55:41,820
So then we'd had that opportunity to tailor the public participation process unique to that consultant.

1213
01:55:43,620 --> 01:55:48,900
And then ultimately an award to the winning firm.

1214
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:55,660
So that's the first bite, does the board like that plan?

1215
01:55:55,660 --> 01:56:00,940
And is that acceptable or are there amendments or other things that you would like to incorporate

1216
01:56:00,940 --> 01:56:01,480
or consider?

1217
01:56:04,010 --> 01:56:09,730
So in general I think it's a great plan I think as far as you know the issue about selecting

1218
01:56:09,730 --> 01:56:18,110
which board which commissioners would be on that I think it's send me your interest Jack

1219
01:56:18,110 --> 01:56:24,130
and I will determine which three commissioners love to hear from others anyone?

1220
01:56:25,170 --> 01:56:31,490
So I guess I think that's fine, I think the timeline that you've laid out seems appropriate

1221
01:56:31,490 --> 01:56:35,110
and inclusive as well, so we definitely want it to be that.

1222
01:56:35,550 --> 01:56:43,310
I'm just wondering if we can also, I've had several members of the prior Comprehensive

1223
01:56:43,310 --> 01:56:51,190
Planning Committee from, I guess, 10, 11 years ago, 12 years ago, reach out that we're

1224
01:56:51,190 --> 01:56:56,770
We're interested in participating at this time, and I'm just wondering if we can perhaps

1225
01:56:56,770 --> 01:57:04,030
give some deference just having a few from who participated in the prior plan.

1226
01:57:04,030 --> 01:57:08,270
I know we want to get new people involved and I think that that's great, but it might be

1227
01:57:08,270 --> 01:57:12,370
helpful to have that institutional knowledge as we go through this process, so.

1228
01:57:12,630 --> 01:57:19,730
Is that in terms of selecting the firm or laying out the actual work to be done in developing

1229
01:57:19,730 --> 01:57:20,810
I think the comprehensive plan.

1230
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:24,790
I think both certainly both.

1231
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:29,870
So I'm not hearing that we're asking for resident participation

1232
01:57:29,870 --> 01:57:33,150
in the selection of the firm in the plan that you presented.

1233
01:57:33,450 --> 01:57:36,550
Yeah, it was not part of what we had presented,

1234
01:57:37,630 --> 01:57:39,190
but that's what we're having this discussion.

1235
01:57:39,530 --> 01:57:40,550
Well, that's, I mean, that's fine.

1236
01:57:41,090 --> 01:57:45,170
It's not going to be a health, but I think definitely if we can circle back

1237
01:57:45,170 --> 01:57:49,670
and make sure that, you know, if we have that information,

1238
01:57:49,670 --> 01:57:54,670
I'm sure that we have the names of the people that were in the original, well not original,

1239
01:57:54,710 --> 01:58:02,130
but the prior planning committee to circle back and see if anyone's interested in participating as we go through the process.

1240
01:58:02,450 --> 01:58:06,470
Yeah, I love the idea of bringing in that institutional knowledge during the process.

1241
01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:19,930
So two quick observations on that, first the group that works together to review the RFP's,

1242
01:58:20,410 --> 01:58:26,970
really the goal is to narrow it down to the final three that are going to be asked to present publicly.

1243
01:58:27,770 --> 01:58:35,150
So that will give the public an opportunity to hear these firms ask their questions and participate in the selection in that regard.

1244
01:58:35,150 --> 01:58:43,230
In any event, members from the public would be recommended that they be part of the steering

1245
01:58:43,230 --> 01:58:46,930
committee that ultimately goes through the actual plan process.

1246
01:58:47,430 --> 01:58:49,010
So if that helps.

1247
01:58:50,470 --> 01:58:56,850
If I have, and when you guys determine kind of that process, will you, I guess, are soliciting

1248
01:58:56,850 --> 01:59:02,470
involvement or engagement, we'll just, can we pass those names?

1249
01:59:02,470 --> 01:59:04,830
like people have reached out just pass them on to you guys or?

1250
01:59:05,110 --> 01:59:16,530
You can forward them to me and I'll keep track of those and make sure that they are included in terms of a final recommendation to this board to establish the Ultimate Steering Committee for the development of the plan.

1251
01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:18,450
Perfect, thank you.

1252
01:59:20,940 --> 01:59:25,380
Kevin, just a, I think you said it, but you expect this to be a two-year process?

1253
01:59:26,260 --> 01:59:29,560
We were anticipating about two years from start to finish for this.

1254
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:46,440
Just, we have put in the RFP, and I want to make sure that I'm quoting it correctly about the public participation process that the plan provides for a diverse and thorough public involvement in the drafting and adoption process.

1255
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:55,440
Public participation involvement is a critical component to this substantial update, and then there was a whole section in there regarding the public participation process.

1256
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:59,960
We want to make sure that there is ample time for because it's been so long since we've

1257
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:00,580
We've updated this.

1258
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:28,580
There's a chance to thoroughly vet this through the community to make sure that all of the issues, all the changes that the township has seen over the last 18 plus years are going to be fully recognized in the plan and everybody has that opportunity because it's such a major undertaking. If this was just a regular update and we were just going through when updating some numbers and it was, you know, 8 to 10 years, it could probably be done in a year but because it's been 18 plus years since the last one was done.

1259
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:35,180
We're anticipating a thorough update of all the mapping, all the numbers so it's going to take some time.

1260
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:40,120
So you don't think this can be done, a completion can be done in 2023.

1261
02:00:41,260 --> 02:00:54,780
No, I think this is going to stretch into 2024, as you know, we're looking for the RFP to be on the streets for about two months and then another two months for the selection committee to go through those and make a recommendation to get it in front of this board.

1262
02:00:54,780 --> 02:00:57,080
Okay, thank you.

1263
02:01:01,270 --> 02:01:05,630
Any other commissioners want to chime in?

1264
02:01:07,250 --> 02:01:08,290
Do you have what you need?

1265
02:01:09,130 --> 02:01:10,890
Kevin, is that pretty?

1266
02:01:11,350 --> 02:01:14,990
I mean, it sounds like we're pretty online with the initiative.

1267
02:01:15,010 --> 02:01:16,470
Yeah, I think, ultimately.

1268
02:01:17,290 --> 02:01:18,510
Thank you.

1269
02:01:18,810 --> 02:01:25,490
I mean, we want this to be comprehensive and successful.

1270
02:01:25,490 --> 02:01:33,590
So if it is the sense of the board that you would like to see this move quicker, we can

1271
02:01:33,590 --> 02:01:35,870
always work that into the RFP process.

1272
02:01:36,110 --> 02:01:38,290
We can make that part of the selection criteria.

1273
02:01:38,570 --> 02:01:47,430
We can ask the firms to present their timelines and timeframes, and we're going to see all this

1274
02:01:47,430 --> 02:01:47,830
anyway.

1275
02:01:47,830 --> 02:01:57,850
So, again, it would be good to know if the sense of the board is, you know, target a certain date or a time frame and then we could start.

1276
02:01:58,770 --> 02:02:05,550
We might hear from the firms that, you know, in order to have, you know, this much public process, you can't get it done in this time frame.

1277
02:02:06,170 --> 02:02:09,890
So there's going to be probably some give and take on that, but it would be good to know now.

1278
02:02:09,890 --> 02:02:19,570
Yeah, I'm going to hope that the firms that are selected are coming in with vast experience

1279
02:02:20,310 --> 02:02:27,330
and can really give us a realistic timetable since we haven't done this in over a decade.

1280
02:02:27,330 --> 02:02:33,910
I think it's hard to guess, but our discussions during the budget approval process led me to believe

1281
02:02:33,910 --> 02:02:36,370
that two years was a sufficient time to get it done.

1282
02:02:36,370 --> 02:02:41,070
I think, obviously, if we can do things faster, we'd like to do it.

1283
02:02:41,170 --> 02:02:47,570
I am concerned that if you don't even know about a grant proposal application to go in

1284
02:02:47,570 --> 02:02:53,110
for a couple of months, it's a, you know, I'd really like to know the date that you would

1285
02:02:53,110 --> 02:02:58,670
find out if you got it and, you know, and how much you're expected to get from it.

1286
02:02:58,770 --> 02:03:02,670
So when you were deciding, you know, I understand Melissa's gathering that information, but I think

1287
02:03:02,670 --> 02:03:11,530
I think that's key. I don't think we want to drag our feet waiting for money we may not get and lose some time.

1288
02:03:11,710 --> 02:03:17,190
So I think that's going to be a very important response when you have that information for us to decide about timing.

1289
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:19,390
But I think the rest of the plan sounds good.

1290
02:03:20,990 --> 02:03:27,410
It will definitely be a balancing act between how much the cost share is for the township, the matching grant,

1291
02:03:28,130 --> 02:03:40,730
When the award is and how much, you know, some of these funding, you may be cap down at $15,000 or $20,000 as part of the project may not be worth a six month delay in the process.

1292
02:03:40,890 --> 02:03:49,510
Yeah, I was just thinking, if we're talking months and months, I mean, this was something that was fully budgeted for in the budget.

1293
02:03:49,510 --> 02:03:59,950
But if it's months and months, we may forego the funding, and we'll advise the board either way on the timing and make a recommendation once we have it.

1294
02:04:00,230 --> 02:04:07,950
But I'm going back to our budget discussions, and this was a priority to get moving on right away, so that is the intention.

1295
02:04:09,470 --> 02:04:15,570
And like I said, just last week we're the funding opportunity presented itself, so we didn't want to just pause and consider it.

1296
02:04:15,570 --> 02:04:19,850
But if it we don't not at the expense of delaying this, again, months and months.

1297
02:04:20,970 --> 02:04:22,730
I'm seeing some head nods up here.

1298
02:04:23,230 --> 02:04:23,470
Okay.

1299
02:04:24,010 --> 02:04:24,750
Can I ask you a question?

1300
02:04:24,870 --> 02:04:25,570
Can't we start it?

1301
02:04:25,590 --> 02:04:27,770
And if we get a grant, it's reimbursome or?

1302
02:04:28,110 --> 02:04:32,670
Well, unfortunately, with a lot of these grants, if you've started the work, it eliminates

1303
02:04:32,670 --> 02:04:34,830
you from consideration of the grant.

1304
02:04:35,170 --> 02:04:35,370
So.

1305
02:04:35,730 --> 02:04:43,570
And that includes soliciting for RFPs, because I, well, I don't want to guess, but the grants

1306
02:04:43,570 --> 02:04:48,010
That's typically our, if you're not able to do this because you can't afford it, here's the money.

1307
02:04:48,850 --> 02:04:52,830
If we solicit RFPs, we've already presented that we have the money and we're doing it anyway.

1308
02:04:53,170 --> 02:04:58,810
I mean, I think we should just, we need a comprehensive plan.

1309
02:04:58,950 --> 02:04:59,870
Yep, so totally.

1310
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:16,180
And I think we should end its budget and we should, that's my opinion, as opposed to sitting around waiting because something's always going to be out there to grab. The question is whether or not you can do it. There's always a, you know, shiny, the grass is always greener. And there's always a shiny quarter that you're going to try to get.

1311
02:05:18,240 --> 02:05:29,100
And it's a small sample size, but, you know, we heard tonight. Residents want us to move now. So, you know, I mean, the grant's great, but I don't want to wait any longer.

1312
02:05:29,100 --> 02:05:35,140
We've talked about this for long enough, and every day we sit and look for other things

1313
02:05:35,140 --> 02:05:40,600
the day that goes by, so my top priority is timeline, and the quicker we get it done

1314
02:05:40,600 --> 02:05:40,880
the better.

1315
02:05:41,780 --> 02:05:45,640
I think it's Mr. Waiter alluded to, we were ready to go with hosting this, but then when

1316
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:49,040
the grant opportunity, we wanted to at least explore to see what that was that presented

1317
02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:50,300
to other grant opportunities.

1318
02:05:51,420 --> 02:05:55,200
That it's been over the last week that we've gotten those details, we'll get the rest

1319
02:05:55,200 --> 02:05:58,500
So there's from Melissa early this week and then from there

1320
02:05:58,500 --> 02:06:02,460
to be able to make a decision at that point.

1321
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:07,040
So I mean, the fact that we're talking

1322
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:10,720
that we have the money, what went that negate us

1323
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:12,880
getting a grant, this conversation in itself

1324
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:15,980
that we have a budgeted, that we have the money.

1325
02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:21,560
Well, at the end of the day, the grants have a process

1326
02:06:21,560 --> 02:06:27,740
Yes. And their applications are evaluated based on their process, not, I mean, they wouldn't.

1327
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:32,060
And they're all different.

1328
02:06:32,460 --> 02:06:33,060
Yeah, yeah.

1329
02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:33,900
Mr. Barofi.

1330
02:06:34,120 --> 02:06:40,120
So I hear what you guys are saying, and I agree with the, we did budget for it.

1331
02:06:40,220 --> 02:06:41,440
So let's go for it.

1332
02:06:41,460 --> 02:06:46,380
I think that when we talk to the firms, we definitely want to get a good sense from them as to,

1333
02:06:47,500 --> 02:06:49,980
they may have, and we're kind of estimating two years.

1334
02:06:49,980 --> 02:06:58,260
It could be that they say, you know, you can get it done in a shorter amount of time, but what I wouldn't want to sacrifice is the public participation in the process.

1335
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:05,640
So I think that that needs to be a very important component of the RFP. It's going to do us no good to rush through it.

1336
02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:11,920
And then at the end present something that the community doesn't feel invested and involved in.

1337
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:17,680
So I think that that's going to be really important and the other thing about taking some

1338
02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:23,660
time is we talked about being able to put money into the budget to be able to do the

1339
02:07:23,660 --> 02:07:27,840
things or do some of the things that the comprehensive plan will put forth.

1340
02:07:28,020 --> 02:07:36,580
So if that is rewriting our zoning code or working on new ordinances or things like that, we can

1341
02:07:36,580 --> 02:07:38,080
start to lay in the funding for that.

1342
02:07:38,080 --> 02:07:42,480
And I'm sure that we'll have, you know, as we go through the process, we'll start to realize,

1343
02:07:42,700 --> 02:07:46,680
you know, what are some of the things that are rising to the top, the things that we need to start to plan for?

1344
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:49,100
So that will give us that time as well.

1345
02:07:49,220 --> 02:07:56,400
So I wouldn't want to rush the process too much, but I think, you know, finding a good balance will be good,

1346
02:07:56,480 --> 02:08:00,220
and I will look to the firms to be able to help guide us in that process.

1347
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:00,880
Absolutely.

1348
02:08:01,260 --> 02:08:06,740
And once this comprehensive plan is adopted, then that's instrumental in getting grant funding

1349
02:08:06,740 --> 02:08:08,280
to implement the complaint.

1350
02:08:08,500 --> 02:08:10,500
So, there's a whole separate round of funding for that.

1351
02:08:10,660 --> 02:08:16,020
Once we get this on the books, we'll be able to apply for to implement the recommendations

1352
02:08:16,020 --> 02:08:16,580
in the complaint.

1353
02:08:21,730 --> 02:08:23,310
Final comments from board members.

1354
02:08:25,070 --> 02:08:26,310
Gentlemen, do you have what you need?

1355
02:08:27,490 --> 02:08:28,030
I think we do.

1356
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:28,850
Yes, thank you.

1357
02:08:29,070 --> 02:08:29,350
Okay.

1358
02:08:30,090 --> 02:08:33,070
I'm going to move us to the next discussion, a direction to staff.

1359
02:08:33,310 --> 02:08:36,450
This is regarding redistricting.

1360
02:08:36,450 --> 02:08:37,670
So,

1361
02:08:40,460 --> 02:08:47,920
similar to the complaint from the aspect that this process doesn't occur very often.

1362
02:08:48,640 --> 02:08:56,140
In the past, the township has hired a consultant to help, again, shepherd us through it.

1363
02:08:58,450 --> 02:09:06,500
Where we're at with this right now is we don't have an RFP prepared and we haven't obviously received permission to solicit for one.

1364
02:09:06,980 --> 02:09:15,840
So this one's a little bit more at the starting gate, so we're hoping tonight to get some direction from the board on how you would like to proceed with this project.

1365
02:09:16,220 --> 02:09:21,440
We had previously brought in someone to help us whack up the township, is that correct?

1366
02:09:23,020 --> 02:09:23,340
Yes.

1367
02:09:23,900 --> 02:09:27,960
Is there any reason that we couldn't call her back in to get that process started?

1368
02:09:28,260 --> 02:09:28,840
I didn't hear his comment.

1369
02:09:29,940 --> 02:09:35,540
So Commissioner Larkin is recalling that the last time that we had a there was a consultant

1370
02:09:35,540 --> 02:09:41,920
who helped the township with redistricting and is that are we interested in reaching

1371
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:48,340
out to the same person who's familiar with our community or is this going to be open?

1372
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:53,420
We should decide if we're even interested in redistricting before we say you're putting

1373
02:09:53,420 --> 02:09:54,280
the cart in front of the horse.

1374
02:09:54,440 --> 02:09:55,780
We're required to buy our truck.

1375
02:09:55,780 --> 02:09:56,340
We have to.

1376
02:09:56,340 --> 02:09:57,020
We have to.

1377
02:09:57,380 --> 02:09:57,580
Okay.

1378
02:09:58,920 --> 02:09:59,900
So what I-

1379
02:10:00,050 --> 02:10:09,090
What I would suggest is that we at least reach out to her a second time. I'm not aware are there other people who are consultants who could help us with this?

1380
02:10:11,350 --> 02:10:29,270
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not sure that that particular consultant is from Lehigh County. So I think one of the prior commissioners on the board was familiar with her and she came in. I mean, I have the proposal in my file.

1381
02:10:29,270 --> 02:10:39,390
it was $1,800, and she did an initial divvy of the, in boards, it has to meet certain

1382
02:10:39,390 --> 02:10:45,030
standards in the statute, which is a municipal reapportionment act that requires this after

1383
02:10:45,030 --> 02:10:49,750
every sense of so, and your charter also speaks to it.

1384
02:10:49,870 --> 02:10:56,010
So she did that relatively quickly, and then there was a series of public meetings, a board

1385
02:10:56,010 --> 02:11:03,050
board members on this committee and where the eventual product was different from what

1386
02:11:03,050 --> 02:11:08,610
her initial but it did take a little bit of time to get it right and then it goes to

1387
02:11:08,610 --> 02:11:11,790
county court and it goes to a process in county court.

1388
02:11:12,030 --> 02:11:18,110
I mean I guess I would suggest see if we can get her back but ultimately we're going to

1389
02:11:18,110 --> 02:11:21,290
have to put out an RFP if there's somebody else who's interested.

1390
02:11:21,290 --> 02:11:27,070
I think that what distinguishes the people is going to end up being not so much the product

1391
02:11:27,070 --> 02:11:31,170
that they are promising, because obviously that should be governed by the statute, but

1392
02:11:31,170 --> 02:11:37,350
instead, how much interaction with the public and what the cost going to be, and obviously

1393
02:11:37,350 --> 02:11:42,190
background in education, if you've never done this before, I don't want to be the person

1394
02:11:42,190 --> 02:11:43,790
that you're practicing on for the first time.

1395
02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:46,810
But I guess you can convince me.

1396
02:11:46,910 --> 02:11:50,830
Other than that, yeah, I'd just like to see an RFP that the staff can put out, and then

1397
02:11:50,830 --> 02:11:53,430
and we can see what gets brought back to us.

1398
02:11:54,510 --> 02:11:59,630
So, you know, there are some, if you read about redistricting

1399
02:11:59,630 --> 02:12:03,490
there's some very creative ways that communities have gone

1400
02:12:03,490 --> 02:12:04,610
into this process.

1401
02:12:04,610 --> 02:12:08,590
One is open solicitation of the public to submit.

1402
02:12:08,830 --> 02:12:10,010
I mean, there are a lot of different ways

1403
02:12:10,010 --> 02:12:12,630
you can go about redistricting.

1404
02:12:13,010 --> 02:12:16,790
I mean, I'm just not certain that going and finding somebody

1405
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:19,650
who was here 13 years ago, but lives in Lehigh County

1406
02:12:19,650 --> 02:12:25,550
is maybe, you know, the direction we want to take, not being familiar with that. I wasn't

1407
02:12:25,550 --> 02:12:32,630
here for that process, so I have no idea. But, you know, I just be interested in hearing

1408
02:12:32,630 --> 02:12:40,170
what people think about, just process in general, about how to go around redistricting.

1409
02:12:41,630 --> 02:12:47,610
Thanks. Just a jack's point, you know, before we talk about even bringing that individual back,

1410
02:12:47,610 --> 02:12:53,530
I'd like to speak to the previous board that brought the person in and just get their

1411
02:12:53,530 --> 02:13:01,690
sense of, did they like the work, was it fair, some of those questions, if they didn't

1412
02:13:01,690 --> 02:13:09,690
agree with the work that was produced and it created conflict, I'm not sure why would

1413
02:13:09,690 --> 02:13:11,710
we bring the same person back to have those same issues?

1414
02:13:12,390 --> 02:13:13,670
You can answer the question.

1415
02:13:13,830 --> 02:13:15,570
You've got the words that they left us with.

1416
02:13:17,350 --> 02:13:19,030
Well, no, we don't.

1417
02:13:21,310 --> 02:13:22,750
The commissioners agreed to that.

1418
02:13:22,970 --> 02:13:24,330
So it went through a different process.

1419
02:13:24,550 --> 02:13:26,330
So I don't even know if they used her work.

1420
02:13:28,690 --> 02:13:30,570
Well, I'll let staff speak to that.

1421
02:13:31,170 --> 02:13:34,770
I am not proposing that we exclusively use this one person.

1422
02:13:34,870 --> 02:13:36,710
I think we have to send an RFP out generally.

1423
02:13:36,950 --> 02:13:40,310
I'm just not aware that there's a lot of other consultants out there who do this.

1424
02:13:40,310 --> 02:13:43,430
So I kind of want to attract her attention to it.

1425
02:13:43,590 --> 02:13:46,730
If there's somebody else, by all means, let's talk to somebody else.

1426
02:13:49,290 --> 02:13:56,270
So, John Rice was there a process the last time about, I mean, was it an RFP process?

1427
02:13:56,510 --> 02:13:57,950
Was it as general as that or?

1428
02:13:58,730 --> 02:14:03,750
Yeah, I think somebody used somebody and they brought somebody in to leave the firm.

1429
02:14:03,750 --> 02:14:16,750
The individual was relatively well-known at the time she was involved in the state redistricting not just at a township level.

1430
02:14:16,970 --> 02:14:28,090
So someone was familiar with her, she was relatively new actually at the time, but she had testified in some of the state actions at the time.

1431
02:14:28,090 --> 02:14:32,130
So, one of the commissioners contacted her.

1432
02:14:32,170 --> 02:14:37,750
She was interested, she submitted a proposal, but there was not an RFP process involved in it.

1433
02:14:39,330 --> 02:14:46,690
I mean, I can ask around in my office to see whether there was anyone else out there doing this.

1434
02:14:47,550 --> 02:14:54,510
I mean, it's only really the first-class townships that have wards or burrows that are required to do this.

1435
02:14:54,510 --> 02:14:59,790
all the second-class townships which are most of the townships in Pennsylvania.

1436
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:00,200
Thank you.

1437
02:15:02,780 --> 02:15:29,980
Don't really need to do this. It's just a virus in the first class and the home rule that have wards. Because all the second class, you get elected at large. Right. So I would, I would be curious to see, I mean, obviously this is the year that all of us who are in that position first class have to go through it. So I would, I think that would be a starting point is to understand the process that others are considering at this, at this stage.

1438
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:40,700
I wonder if we also engage, you know, we do have a very active League of Women voters

1439
02:15:40,700 --> 02:15:41,740
group here.

1440
02:15:42,340 --> 02:15:51,120
You know, it would be something to engage with that group and involve the community on

1441
02:15:51,120 --> 02:15:51,760
that level.

1442
02:15:53,580 --> 02:15:57,280
I'm sure they have a lot of thoughts about how redistricting is done.

1443
02:15:57,280 --> 02:16:05,180
and I know they do, you know, I just, I wonder if it's worth it to talk with that group perhaps

1444
02:16:05,180 --> 02:16:11,020
they know, you know, through their travels there's also, you know, groups out there that

1445
02:16:11,020 --> 02:16:15,240
do, you know, do this kind of on a larger scale, I think, for the state.

1446
02:16:15,560 --> 02:16:20,440
So it might be worth to look in that direction as well.

1447
02:16:23,610 --> 02:16:28,770
Do you think we definitely need a community, there needs to be a community component to this

1448
02:16:28,770 --> 02:16:31,990
And I think it needs to be early in the process.

1449
02:16:32,770 --> 02:16:38,030
And I do think that we need to, and I don't really know what the parameters are around.

1450
02:16:38,570 --> 02:16:42,930
I know the charter doesn't dictate a lot when it comes to this except really that we have to do it.

1451
02:16:43,730 --> 02:16:50,150
And I'm not sure what the other statutes are, but I think that if we set some ground rules to begin with,

1452
02:16:50,890 --> 02:16:55,830
you can't redistrict the sitting commissioner out of his or her ward.

1453
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:59,790
you know like things like that and I don't know if we can do that but I think

1454
02:16:59,790 --> 02:17:03,750
that if I recall correctly that might have been a problem with the last time

1455
02:17:03,750 --> 02:17:07,090
they did it which is one of the reasons why they kind of had to go back and do

1456
02:17:07,090 --> 02:17:11,030
it again because some got redistricted out so you don't want to do that.

1457
02:17:11,650 --> 02:17:14,030
I think you can. But they get to serve out their term.

1458
02:17:14,750 --> 02:17:20,510
I think so but I don't I think we would want to do that rule but yeah so it's

1459
02:17:20,510 --> 02:17:24,710
allowable as long as you don't unseat. But just what would some of the

1460
02:17:24,710 --> 02:17:26,190
the ground rules be as you look at it.

1461
02:17:26,290 --> 02:17:28,910
So set those parameters at front and would we want to engage?

1462
02:17:29,250 --> 02:17:33,350
So does that become us and also the public who look at those kinds of things?

1463
02:17:33,630 --> 02:17:38,950
We've got one whole ward that's basically all the dorms of Eastern University.

1464
02:17:39,690 --> 02:17:43,490
So, you know, ultimately, things like that.

1465
02:17:43,590 --> 02:17:47,030
So are those some of the things we want to look at as we look at the township?

1466
02:17:47,250 --> 02:17:53,010
Ultimately, the commissioners have to approve what gets sent to the County Board of Elections.

1467
02:17:53,010 --> 02:17:56,110
So the statute is very sparse on this.

1468
02:17:57,030 --> 02:18:02,250
The only thing in the statute is a district shall be composed of compact and

1469
02:18:02,250 --> 02:18:07,090
contiguous territory as nearly equal in population is practical,

1470
02:18:07,670 --> 02:18:11,830
as officially and finally reported in the most recent federal census,

1471
02:18:12,730 --> 02:18:18,030
decennial or special, that's the standard.

1472
02:18:18,030 --> 02:18:24,650
So, beyond that, you know, you can consider those other items also, because ultimately the board has to vote,

1473
02:18:25,030 --> 02:18:34,030
the majority of the board has to vote to pass this on, and then it gets vetted again at the county level as a court hearing on it, and it gets approved.

1474
02:18:36,510 --> 02:18:43,650
So, that's the State Municipal Reapportionment Act, that's all it says, when it's done by the governing body.

1475
02:18:47,230 --> 02:18:53,630
One last note that I'd like to toss in is that I would put a high priority on getting this done this year

1476
02:18:55,170 --> 02:18:59,850
because the majority of the board is up for reelection next year, whoever runs, I just think it,

1477
02:19:01,470 --> 02:19:04,850
I mean, I don't think there's anything that's legally inappropriate about it, maybe others,

1478
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:10,590
maybe I'm wrong about that, but it just doesn't look great to me if we are voting on what the

1479
02:19:10,590 --> 02:19:14,690
The words are going to look like in the same year that people are running for those spots,

1480
02:19:14,690 --> 02:19:19,590
particularly in the year when a majority of the board is up for election, as there would be next year.

1481
02:19:19,790 --> 02:19:25,630
So I'd love to get this done in calendar 2022, which is why I'm really glad we're getting started in February.

1482
02:19:27,130 --> 02:19:28,630
I do agree to that point.

1483
02:19:29,050 --> 02:19:31,250
Plus, you want to be making sure you're knocking on the right doors.

1484
02:19:32,430 --> 02:19:35,670
I would actually like to be zoned out of my word if it all possible.

1485
02:19:36,110 --> 02:19:36,970
You can put me in for different.

1486
02:19:41,860 --> 02:19:58,840
Alright, thanks so I hear the whole meet with illegal women voters and we did that and I'm not comfortable after the conversation that I had at the time, but there were some good points.

1487
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:27,020
I think that this should be good or professional. If someone that's done this before, and then if you want to bring the legal women voters, as well as your constituents, then you should do it. But I think that if this board could come up with something themselves, and that the public, then I think that's something that we should look at too.

1488
02:20:27,020 --> 02:20:35,560
So, I mean, I have a, for instance, a couple of things in my mind, for instance, a train

1489
02:20:35,560 --> 02:20:40,820
on, a train on split and half, and I don't necessarily think that it should be, it probably

1490
02:20:40,820 --> 02:20:42,660
should be in Lisa's ward, not in mine.

1491
02:20:46,440 --> 02:20:51,920
But I would just like to see this to what Jack said, getting this done sooner than later.

1492
02:20:51,920 --> 02:21:00,980
But I would rather see this done with a professional and then the other outside groups and chime in as opposed to just asking them.

1493
02:21:02,600 --> 02:21:08,420
So do we have tools that look at the census data and break it down for us?

1494
02:21:09,480 --> 02:21:21,220
I did say the library, one of their board members works for an organization that has a tool and they did a presentation for the library around looking at the census data

1495
02:21:21,220 --> 02:21:25,380
as the library looks to better engage residents.

1496
02:21:26,020 --> 02:21:29,560
They looked at things and the information

1497
02:21:29,560 --> 02:21:31,660
that this one board member was providing

1498
02:21:31,660 --> 02:21:35,500
based on this tool was there's been a significant growth

1499
02:21:35,500 --> 02:21:39,920
in the West Wayne area and in Garret Hill.

1500
02:21:40,340 --> 02:21:42,460
And when you look at the data and where

1501
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:50,920
the various, where you've seen a lot of growth

1502
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:56,360
within the in the in the in the township. So do we have a tool like that so

1503
02:21:56,360 --> 02:22:00,900
suppose to Commissioner Farge's point we wanted to undertake this ourselves with

1504
02:22:00,900 --> 02:22:05,100
you know kind of the public participating do we have a tool like that or would

1505
02:22:05,100 --> 02:22:10,260
we need something like that to help us I forget it's called but it's a it's a

1506
02:22:10,260 --> 02:22:17,800
computer it analyzes you input your your census data and it gives fits out all

1507
02:22:17,800 --> 02:22:24,160
this you know demographic information and yeah and would they help if we don't have it when they

1508
02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:30,180
just help us out. I don't I don't know if they would just give it to us. I mean they are company.

1509
02:22:30,520 --> 02:22:34,680
She as a board member and so it's a board member. Yeah she works with the company. It's not the

1510
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:40,560
library. She did it. So I retract that statement. I thought it was the library who had it. No no no it's

1511
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:45,280
not the library. It's a board member. She works with the organization. They did a demo for me because

1512
02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:50,060
I was so impressed with what they put forth at one of their board meetings, and they're

1513
02:22:50,060 --> 02:22:54,760
using that information, you know, around marketing and things like that for the library, so,

1514
02:22:55,660 --> 02:22:59,580
but it was really cool, and I forget the name of it, and I will look it up if we want

1515
02:22:59,580 --> 02:23:01,660
our interested in talking about it.

1516
02:23:03,900 --> 02:23:11,480
Well, so, we have this technology, but we don't have the person yet to help us drive it,

1517
02:23:12,440 --> 02:23:13,560
but it's part of...

1518
02:23:13,560 --> 02:23:21,660
Yeah, part of our Esri software that we do have is a redistricting tool.

1519
02:23:22,740 --> 02:23:24,540
Obviously, we have not taken a look at it.

1520
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:25,960
We don't know what it does.

1521
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:29,660
But if it's similar to other Esri products that we have looked at,

1522
02:23:30,360 --> 02:23:33,840
I would imagine it would do those same type of functions,

1523
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:38,800
where it can take over a period of time or two different data groups

1524
02:23:38,800 --> 02:23:47,340
groups based on two different census, a census, a census eye, whatever the plural is for

1525
02:23:47,340 --> 02:23:47,700
census.

1526
02:23:48,480 --> 02:23:54,240
And compare those and you can see where the shifts in population are and you can overlay

1527
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:58,560
that on top of our existing ward map and see where those movements are.

1528
02:23:59,980 --> 02:24:03,200
So I think we do have access to a tool similar to that.

1529
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:13,500
that part of either the GIS coordinator which we don't have yet, or whoever we hire to

1530
02:24:13,500 --> 02:24:19,500
help us with this, if they have expertise and data modeling, which hopefully they would,

1531
02:24:20,740 --> 02:24:26,420
I know the last person I think did have some expertise in that area, they would be able

1532
02:24:26,420 --> 02:24:29,260
to drive that technology that we already have.

1533
02:24:29,980 --> 02:24:35,520
So, that exists, I mean, we just need someone to drive it.

1534
02:24:35,540 --> 02:24:41,000
We hire a consultant to do that, and we can hire Esri to do it, honestly, but that's

1535
02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:42,140
just the data piece.

1536
02:24:42,460 --> 02:24:51,740
We would be missing the public process piece, but if we could satisfy the data piece, you

1537
02:24:51,740 --> 02:24:58,780
know, perhaps there's another way to attack the public part of it, if the public process

1538
02:24:58,780 --> 02:24:59,820
Please come in.

1539
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,800
For the data piece, so do we get people together and talk about, you know, what's important? Well, we don't want all of the dorms in one ward, you know, it's silly because there's only 12 residents in that ward. The rest is, you know, transient students. Not the students are not important with our students, but you know, it's, it's a really small, you know, is there a better way to do it? So do we look at things like that?

1540
02:25:29,800 --> 02:25:32,300
Like, what don't we like right now, make a list?

1541
02:25:32,640 --> 02:25:53,180
We don't want to redistrict anyone out of their ward, except for Jack, you know, things like that, and make a list before we start looking at the data so that we have those things, kind of those parameters, and when we run the data, we say, oh my goodness, you know, Jack is still in his ward, we better do this again or something like that.

1542
02:25:53,460 --> 02:25:55,720
Sorry, Jack, then we need to pick on you.

1543
02:25:59,860 --> 02:26:01,700
Do I see you puzzling over there?

1544
02:26:01,860 --> 02:26:04,620
I just wonder, you know, because once we have the data and

1545
02:26:04,620 --> 02:26:08,020
once we run the numbers, then we're just doing it based on, or

1546
02:26:08,020 --> 02:26:08,980
maybe that's what we decide.

1547
02:26:09,260 --> 02:26:12,120
We're just going to say we're just going to do it based on the numbers,

1548
02:26:12,120 --> 02:26:15,820
but I think that's what happened last time and that's when commissioners

1549
02:26:15,820 --> 02:26:17,260
got redistricted out of their boards.

1550
02:26:17,640 --> 02:26:21,320
And while they could still serve, what if they want to run again?

1551
02:26:21,780 --> 02:26:22,680
Then are they running again?

1552
02:26:22,980 --> 02:26:24,640
Then are they in a board where there's an incumbent?

1553
02:26:24,820 --> 02:26:29,060
Like that presents problems amongst, you know, in itself as well.

1554
02:26:29,060 --> 02:26:38,660
I mean, there's probably a little bit of overlap, but it could be wrong, but typically

1555
02:26:38,660 --> 02:26:45,400
when you work with data, it's more complete, I mean, the data is what it is.

1556
02:26:45,780 --> 02:26:51,140
So it'll show you the movements and demographics and shifts and population and those types

1557
02:26:51,140 --> 02:26:51,620
of things.

1558
02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:58,760
And then you react off of that based on what it is you want to react to.

1559
02:26:58,760 --> 02:27:16,220
So, if it is, if one thing is important to the board and the data supports it, then the data supports it or if it's important to the board but the data doesn't support it, at least you have the data in either case to consider and have a discussion about it.

1560
02:27:17,500 --> 02:27:22,860
I'm not sure, and I'm not relating this back to redistricting specifically, just more

1561
02:27:22,860 --> 02:27:30,160
generically, that decision making before the data is made available isn't always the

1562
02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:37,460
best decision making, because then you look at the data the way you want to, that best forms

1563
02:27:37,460 --> 02:27:43,860
the decision that's already been, like, this is more edgy, like, again, this is not redistricting

1564
02:27:43,860 --> 02:27:52,600
specific. It's more, you know, just educational. So that's a long roundabout way of saying

1565
02:27:52,600 --> 02:27:57,920
I think the data is probably important first, or at least a significant, the generic

1566
02:27:57,920 --> 02:28:04,840
stuff first. And then you start refining it based on issues that you feel are important

1567
02:28:04,840 --> 02:28:11,720
specific to the issue. But, I mean, we're still, we're still at, we might have access to

1568
02:28:11,720 --> 02:28:17,380
a tool we need a driver. We can reach out to Ezri to find out what their consulting

1569
02:28:17,380 --> 02:28:21,900
fee would be to do that piece for us. We might find that it's affordable and quick.

1570
02:28:23,720 --> 02:28:31,640
We will do that right away. And I guess at the same time, we'll also research and try

1571
02:28:31,640 --> 02:28:40,480
to pull together a quick RFP and see if that makes sense to combine or put the whole package

1572
02:28:40,480 --> 02:28:45,100
together in terms of not just the data but then also the public part of it.

1573
02:28:46,040 --> 02:28:51,920
Yeah, there are a lot of resources out there about best practices and redistricting.

1574
02:28:53,480 --> 02:29:01,520
I would like to see staff take a look at that and come back and say we like this approach.

1575
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:08,040
I do agree that I think we need to have some professional leadership through the process

1576
02:29:08,040 --> 02:29:12,280
and I also agree that it should be done quickly, so those are my feelings on it.

1577
02:29:12,760 --> 02:29:14,120
Thank you Commissioner Jones, were you?

1578
02:29:16,610 --> 02:29:21,170
I was really interested in this this summer and I was looking at all different protocols for

1579
02:29:22,170 --> 02:29:26,930
redistricting and there are some really cool algorithms out there but it sounds like

1580
02:29:27,490 --> 02:29:35,050
you know the technology we have would be able to foster that and part of that protocol always said

1581
02:29:35,050 --> 02:29:41,730
always you know split it unpack what we call packing and you want to unpack using

1582
02:29:41,730 --> 02:29:49,950
the algorithm and then you bring it to a human collective to you know kind of

1583
02:29:49,950 --> 02:29:54,450
figure it out from there and also you know I believe in not having

1584
02:29:54,450 --> 02:29:58,810
commissioners involved just for accusing the process

1585
02:30:03,860 --> 02:30:34,040
Bill, this is a weird question. Can we offer like a grant or money? Can we pay a college kid college? Can we put it out there to the public? If we prove it, we give them $x amount of $5,000, whatever. To do what? Talk about the plan. We like it. We go with it. We have enough. We have enough. We have a bunch of colleges and professors and political polycyclics going for they could probably figure it out.

1586
02:30:34,040 --> 02:30:36,640
Well, I'm sure there could be some kind of

1587
02:30:37,180 --> 02:30:39,720
You ever thought we just talked about having somebody that's done it before?

1588
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:44,260
I'm just throwing up stuff against law and see what sticks.

1589
02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:48,360
To a certain extent, it's a part of it.

1590
02:30:48,360 --> 02:30:50,060
That is the process I've seen done before.

1591
02:30:50,200 --> 02:30:53,200
Sure, so to a certain extent, I understand what Anna Marie saying.

1592
02:30:53,420 --> 02:30:55,940
Like, we need to recuse ourselves and I get that.

1593
02:30:56,060 --> 02:31:01,160
But at the same time, you know, these are our residents and, you know,

1594
02:31:02,420 --> 02:31:06,120
like we need to have the stakeholder in there.

1595
02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:09,860
I mean, there's a couple of the neighborhoods

1596
02:31:09,860 --> 02:31:14,040
that we don't really, it's like not like for you and me,

1597
02:31:14,180 --> 02:31:16,200
Annemarie, it's like anything,

1598
02:31:16,420 --> 02:31:19,100
like you're a little bit east of 320.

1599
02:31:20,220 --> 02:31:22,120
And it's kind of like, you know,

1600
02:31:22,220 --> 02:31:24,400
like that's something that I should probably take,

1601
02:31:24,400 --> 02:31:25,860
or someone else should probably take,

1602
02:31:26,400 --> 02:31:27,940
and like I should probably give up,

1603
02:31:27,940 --> 02:31:28,960
like something like Trina,

1604
02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:42,980
And I'm like, that's the stuff that I think that if we come together and then put all that stuff out there, I mean, there's got to be cost, you said with $1,800, what, 13 years ago, so what's this going to be $10,000, $15,000?

1605
02:31:44,380 --> 02:31:45,060
Give or take.

1606
02:31:45,700 --> 02:31:46,960
Well, it was $1,600.

1607
02:31:46,960 --> 02:31:47,240
$1,600.

1608
02:31:48,120 --> 02:31:51,980
I think, yes, $1,600, what we pay, we have to find somebody.

1609
02:31:53,620 --> 02:31:59,240
And now if we hired somebody for the Gips or Gix program, they would be able to do this

1610
02:31:59,240 --> 02:32:03,180
or not, or we still need an outside consultant just because of what Ann and Marie said that

1611
02:32:03,180 --> 02:32:08,860
the township should probably want to keep it as much hands off, so this really isn't even

1612
02:32:08,860 --> 02:32:09,820
relevant to that program.

1613
02:32:10,320 --> 02:32:13,080
Well, in either case, we're going to need someone to help us with the data points.

1614
02:32:14,040 --> 02:32:25,040
whether that person is the same one that helps us then go through the decision-making process or if it's two different people, that's what we got to figure out.

1615
02:32:25,860 --> 02:32:39,640
So what we'll do, we'll go back to the best practices in redistricting, try to build together an RFP that hits the points that we've talked about here tonight,

1616
02:32:39,640 --> 02:32:43,220
and then we'll bring that back to the board to get moving on.

1617
02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:52,620
And at the same time, answer some of the other questions like with the Esri and our access to that and if they can be that consultant on that front,

1618
02:32:52,760 --> 02:33:00,740
like answer some of those questions and come back to the board and go from there, but we'll move quickly.

1619
02:33:02,500 --> 02:33:15,680
Nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room and that redistricting can have very partisan effects.

1620
02:33:17,160 --> 02:33:21,700
And I like the suggestion that we find best practices.

1621
02:33:22,920 --> 02:33:32,260
I think that part of the instructions that we give to somebody is whether or

1622
02:33:32,260 --> 02:33:38,180
not they're going to look at party registrations and things like that.

1623
02:33:38,780 --> 02:33:43,780
I would suggest that, you know, I mean, if you're willing to tear the community apart by

1624
02:33:44,280 --> 02:33:49,940
having something that's very partisan, you can have one result, and if you're willing

1625
02:33:49,940 --> 02:33:57,580
to try to get to what best practices and do something that's fairly nonpartisan, but

1626
02:33:57,580 --> 02:34:04,820
reflects just the demographics of the community on other aspects, you could get a different result.

1627
02:34:05,420 --> 02:34:08,660
But we've all seen the effect of gerrymandering and what that can do.

1628
02:34:10,000 --> 02:34:11,900
And that's really what,

1629
02:34:14,190 --> 02:34:21,370
that's the danger or the attractiveness depending on where you are on redistricting.

1630
02:34:21,370 --> 02:34:21,450
Thank you.

1631
02:34:25,710 --> 02:34:26,410
Thanks, Kim.

1632
02:34:27,170 --> 02:34:30,330
Are there any other comments from commissioners or staff?

1633
02:34:34,940 --> 02:34:41,760
This isn't an issue that we're voting on, so not going to do public comment.

1634
02:34:41,960 --> 02:34:43,760
Can you share it with us in another format?

1635
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:45,440
Thank you.

1636
02:34:45,960 --> 02:34:51,420
And then the next issue is discussion and direction to staff regarding proposed plastic bag ordinance.

1637
02:34:52,420 --> 02:34:59,760
I'll just say briefly about this one. This is an issue that has been raised at the environmental advisory.

1638
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:28,040
Committee. They've done some good work, even drafting a proposed ordinance based on others that have been done in the area. I know that they're doing some research on it by attending webinars and the like. But the one thing I think that hasn't been engaged yet is the business community. I did reach out to the WBA, and I'm trying to have a conversation there.

1639
02:35:28,860 --> 02:35:38,220
the advisory, the EAC had asked for access to a list of our businesses and

1640
02:35:38,220 --> 02:35:43,940
Rodner, and I think we're trying to figure out how to communicate with the

1641
02:35:43,940 --> 02:35:48,000
businesses to engage in this conversation, and the community, of course, the

1642
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:54,780
seventh one. To any public setting at, there's been their town hall, the

1643
02:35:54,780 --> 02:36:00,480
So environmental advisory committee is planning to use one of their meetings as a public

1644
02:36:00,480 --> 02:36:05,200
meeting to have this conversation, but I just didn't want to get too far down the road

1645
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:12,500
on an issue that I know has, you know, it's controversial in many ways or some ways.

1646
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:22,220
So I wanted to get a sense of the board or have this discussion and we've not asked staff

1647
02:36:22,220 --> 02:36:29,580
Do you have to do anything on the proposed language or outreach until we have this conversation?

1648
02:36:30,320 --> 02:36:37,820
So that's what this issue is and I, is there anything that staff wants to add to that, or can we just?

1649
02:36:38,400 --> 02:36:52,020
No, I mean, that's a good summary, just before we ask Kevin and the solicitor to dive in to the proposal just to make sure that the board's on board with that spending time and money in doing that.

1650
02:36:54,550 --> 02:36:55,070
commissioners?

1651
02:36:55,970 --> 02:36:57,650
What do you mean by spending money?

1652
02:36:59,290 --> 02:37:06,370
Well staff resources I think is essentially what we're talking about at this stage, township

1653
02:37:06,370 --> 02:37:12,010
resources, hosting, town hall, I don't think there's a lot of, there's not a budget attached.

1654
02:37:12,650 --> 02:37:15,970
Sorry, yeah, that should be clear, just referring to that time is money.

1655
02:37:16,170 --> 02:37:19,790
So it'd be staff resources and also the solicitor.

1656
02:37:21,820 --> 02:37:28,880
Yeah, so as you talk to the business community, I'd be interested to know if you're to ban plastic bags,

1657
02:37:29,420 --> 02:37:31,680
there's going to be a cost involved. It's going to be passed down to consumers.

1658
02:37:33,340 --> 02:37:39,000
What do we forecast that cost to be? And then project that out, do we think

1659
02:37:39,660 --> 02:37:44,100
people are going to look to go to surrounding towns to do their grocery shopping or to go to CVS,

1660
02:37:44,100 --> 02:37:50,360
which, you know, they can just cross the township border and be, you know, near CVS right

1661
02:37:50,360 --> 02:38:03,000
aid, act me. So what do we think that would do to our businesses, long-term, if those

1662
02:38:03,000 --> 02:38:05,160
surrounding communities don't pass similar ordinances?

1663
02:38:06,140 --> 02:38:12,700
So some already are in the process, I think, to reference looking at it. To that point,

1664
02:38:12,700 --> 02:38:16,200
And what has been proposed, and I didn't want to share that here because it hasn't been

1665
02:38:16,200 --> 02:38:20,680
bedded by the solicitor or anything, but there is a draft based on other jurisdictions

1666
02:38:20,680 --> 02:38:26,200
and it's a fee base, which essentially is net neutral to the business to $10.

1667
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:26,840
It's $10.

1668
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:35,300
I think it's written as a 10 cent fee which would go to the business because the paper bags

1669
02:38:35,300 --> 02:38:42,060
and the non-single use bags that they would be required to offer or want to offer cost

1670
02:38:42,060 --> 02:38:48,020
about 10 cents. So the idea is that the bill is built to have a neutral financial impact

1671
02:38:48,020 --> 02:38:52,120
on the businesses as much as possible. That's the intention. I don't know if it works

1672
02:38:52,120 --> 02:38:59,740
in reality, but there's a there's a ban plus fee. There's a lot of education. There's time

1673
02:38:59,740 --> 02:39:06,960
to implement. If anybody's been paying attention to how Philadelphia did it, they did pass it

1674
02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:09,140
and then they left a six month or a year

1675
02:39:09,740 --> 02:39:13,720
before it would be enforced so that community members

1676
02:39:13,720 --> 02:39:16,860
and business owners could get used to it.

1677
02:39:17,020 --> 02:39:21,620
So there's signage and an awareness time period.

1678
02:39:21,880 --> 02:39:24,520
So those are built into what has at least been proposed

1679
02:39:24,520 --> 02:39:25,320
out of the committee.

1680
02:39:26,480 --> 02:39:30,060
Again, I didn't want to go farther into the details about it

1681
02:39:30,060 --> 02:39:34,760
with this group before we were sure we wanted to go down

1682
02:39:34,760 --> 02:39:41,040
about that. And question, so would this just be businesses in the wing business

1683
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:47,220
association or does this also include, you know, it would be a, yeah, it would be

1684
02:39:47,220 --> 02:39:52,220
a township wide ordinance, you know, they're a very vocal group of business owners,

1685
02:39:52,280 --> 02:39:56,880
but I think that if we're going to, you know, some of the corporate owned businesses

1686
02:39:56,880 --> 02:39:59,840
is probably use more bags than the small businesses, so.

1687
02:40:00,180 --> 02:40:13,440
You know, to act me in the home sense and TJ and all of those, but we'd have to engage somehow. I jump in. I'm really the only small business owner here.

1688
02:40:14,740 --> 02:40:28,220
Net neutral means it still costs the business money, because that's time and resources where they could be out doing what they should be doing, their core business, and now they're dealing with more administrative stuff.

1689
02:40:30,880 --> 02:40:35,520
When it comes to paper versus plastic, I think 10, 15 years will be right back at it because

1690
02:40:35,520 --> 02:40:39,680
they'll be, you know, the reason why we switched from paper to plastic was because of

1691
02:40:39,680 --> 02:40:40,140
the rainforest.

1692
02:40:40,600 --> 02:40:46,280
Now, the plastic destroys the rainforest, so we'll get more paper, and it's kind of a vicious

1693
02:40:46,280 --> 02:40:46,960
circle.

1694
02:40:48,660 --> 02:40:51,720
The other thing, and Jake, you make the best point.

1695
02:40:53,220 --> 02:40:57,740
I think that I'm lucky, I'll tell everybody here, and I'm lucky.

1696
02:40:57,740 --> 02:41:04,340
I mean, I have a car, I have a pickup truck, I can pay for $3.50 gasoline.

1697
02:41:04,880 --> 02:41:10,620
Some people can't afford that, so when you make them buy, they may take the bus and they

1698
02:41:10,620 --> 02:41:17,500
may need something at a store and they're on their way home and it's all business decision

1699
02:41:17,500 --> 02:41:22,920
for someone just scraping by $0.10 here, $0.15 there, it's a lot, it's a lot if you don't

1700
02:41:22,920 --> 02:41:25,880
have a job or you're struggling or somebody sick.

1701
02:41:25,880 --> 02:41:32,760
So I think that for us to say it's only 10 cents or you know people will get used to it.

1702
02:41:33,000 --> 02:41:33,760
Maybe they will.

1703
02:41:36,380 --> 02:41:40,400
That that hurts me and that I think that hurts the poorest of the poor.

1704
02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:46,440
And that is really one of my major reasons why I'm against this.

1705
02:41:46,860 --> 02:41:48,420
TJ pardon me.

1706
02:41:49,140 --> 02:41:51,680
Trader Joe's. They'll pay you. That's fine.

1707
02:41:51,680 --> 02:42:00,740
I think we should look at more soy based, something that would be biodegradable, finding something

1708
02:42:00,740 --> 02:42:05,140
that, something that mice or other animals can eat.

1709
02:42:05,360 --> 02:42:09,860
I don't know if anyone knows about Ford Motor, they wrapped a lot of their electrical wiring

1710
02:42:09,860 --> 02:42:15,640
in soy based plastics and it didn't go too well because rodents would get in there.

1711
02:42:16,980 --> 02:42:27,900
But my thing is the question that I have, again, it's very easy to say, let's just ban plastic bags, but I see single use bags there.

1712
02:42:28,680 --> 02:42:30,500
Are we going to ban garbage bags?

1713
02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:33,040
Are we going to ban the saran wrap?

1714
02:42:34,180 --> 02:42:39,000
Are we going to ban the single waste dog bags at the dog park?

1715
02:42:40,380 --> 02:42:43,000
Zip lock bags? Styrofoam?

1716
02:42:44,400 --> 02:42:53,760
So you can hurt the consumer at a store, but they're just going to put those plastic products and paper bags on their way home.

1717
02:42:56,380 --> 02:43:03,180
So I get it. I care about the environment. I am a steward in the environment despite what a lot of people think.

1718
02:43:04,000 --> 02:43:10,540
I care about it. I spend my time in the country at my father's farm.

1719
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:28,620
I enjoy nature but I would love to see plastic ban but not at the expense of those who are the most vulnerable as well as if you ban one you should ban them all.

1720
02:43:29,180 --> 02:43:34,260
ban them all and that's fine but don't ban things because it's easy and it looks good

1721
02:43:34,820 --> 02:43:38,580
and Philadelphia did it or another township did it and you want to keep up with the

1722
02:43:38,580 --> 02:43:44,600
Joneses if you're going to do it do it and that's fine but ban it all and the

1723
02:43:44,600 --> 02:43:50,440
issue is is why are we banning it because when you're done with this bottle if you

1724
02:43:50,440 --> 02:43:54,500
could recycle it or milk carton you put it in the recyclable and they burn it

1725
02:43:54,500 --> 02:44:02,840
anyway so I don't I mean I don't really get it I just think that they're I

1726
02:44:02,840 --> 02:44:06,700
mean I'd love to see this proposal I do want to see it but I think that we

1727
02:44:06,700 --> 02:44:15,220
should be looking at not the stick but the carrot yeah I think I think to

1728
02:44:15,220 --> 02:44:20,480
that point I don't know I don't know the answer to this it'd be worth looking

1729
02:44:20,480 --> 02:44:24,520
into is there a way to incentivize people not to use plastic so so instead of

1730
02:44:24,520 --> 02:44:25,480
charging somebody $0.10?

1731
02:44:26,020 --> 02:44:26,560
No, no, no, no.

1732
02:44:26,940 --> 02:44:31,260
What a store give you $0.10 to use a reusable bag.

1733
02:44:31,860 --> 02:44:33,260
Yeah, I mean, that's fine.

1734
02:44:34,160 --> 02:44:37,460
That's what I want to see, but I don't want to start punishing people.

1735
02:44:37,860 --> 02:44:40,200
And, you know, like I said, we have cars.

1736
02:44:40,420 --> 02:44:44,300
It's great, but like, you know, you can't carry around a, maybe you can, you know,

1737
02:44:44,420 --> 02:44:48,560
your, your bag, your straw, your this, your that, and then get on the bus.

1738
02:44:48,760 --> 02:44:49,820
And then you have an emergency.

1739
02:44:49,820 --> 02:44:57,600
see. Yeah, I just look at those people that are most vulnerable, that's who it hurts. I have plenty of

1740
02:44:57,600 --> 02:44:59,920
in my pickup truck, I do.

1741
02:45:08,220 --> 02:45:16,280
So I disagree. I think the people look on the bus. Most of those people are not using single

1742
02:45:16,280 --> 02:45:22,940
sack grocery bags. They're using stand up cloth grocery bags that they use again and

1743
02:45:22,940 --> 02:45:27,780
again and again. I've lived in two places where this has been implemented, obviously

1744
02:45:27,780 --> 02:45:34,320
not full-time because I've lived here for 25 years, but it goes very smoothly. People

1745
02:45:34,320 --> 02:45:38,720
get used to it right, you do need to have these lead times where people get used to the rules.

1746
02:45:39,100 --> 02:45:46,880
But you learn to bring your own bag really fast and it, you know, we've got to say start

1747
02:45:46,880 --> 02:45:47,880
saving the world somewhere.

1748
02:45:48,540 --> 02:45:53,220
I think as far as going across the line, it's an admirable idea, but I'm not sure you're

1749
02:45:53,220 --> 02:45:55,800
going to get people to stop using garbage bags.

1750
02:45:56,440 --> 02:46:01,700
Most of the places, these are not a universal plastic band.

1751
02:46:01,700 --> 02:46:10,020
It will be the grocery sacks, not necessarily the larger sacks, the TJ max sacks at first, and then sometimes they'll escalate.

1752
02:46:10,640 --> 02:46:12,480
So, but I think you have to start somewhere.

1753
02:46:13,060 --> 02:46:19,020
And I don't think that the person you're hurting is necessarily that person that can't afford the bag.

1754
02:46:19,020 --> 02:46:21,180
I just, sorry, one quick question.

1755
02:46:21,680 --> 02:46:25,420
Who would enforce, I guess Kevin's on here, who would enforce this?

1756
02:46:25,540 --> 02:46:28,480
I mean, it sounds like it's a, is it a code's violation?

1757
02:46:28,900 --> 02:46:34,380
And I just think that, to a certain extent, we need to protect the environment.

1758
02:46:34,580 --> 02:46:37,600
But I don't think that we can pick and choose.

1759
02:46:38,020 --> 02:46:42,000
I mean, we, you know, if this comes down to codes, is it like the bamboo police,

1760
02:46:42,240 --> 02:46:45,760
the plastic bags police, the rain gardens police?

1761
02:46:45,760 --> 02:46:49,520
I mean, who's going to implement this and what are the fines going to be?

1762
02:46:49,520 --> 02:46:50,840
Well, yeah, so I'm going to be.

1763
02:46:51,940 --> 02:46:56,380
There's obviously a lot of details that would still need to be ironed out.

1764
02:46:56,560 --> 02:47:02,260
Well, what it does sound like, and correct me if I'm wrong, that there's interest in pursuing the topic.

1765
02:47:03,040 --> 02:47:05,960
And if that's the case, then that's the direction to EAC.

1766
02:47:06,420 --> 02:47:12,620
And then we'll ask Kevin and John to chime in and work with those groups accordingly.

1767
02:47:12,620 --> 02:47:16,860
Finally, it may be that ultimately after they go through this whole process and present

1768
02:47:16,860 --> 02:47:22,160
something to the board, it gets approved or doesn't or gets changed, but where we're

1769
02:47:22,160 --> 02:47:26,620
at tonight is just, kind of, is there interest in pursuing the topic?

1770
02:47:28,100 --> 02:47:33,080
All of those, these finer details is ultimately what needs to still be worked out.

1771
02:47:34,160 --> 02:47:38,700
And yes, I do foresee any kind of code enforcement is going to fall under community development.

1772
02:47:41,700 --> 02:47:47,700
So I'll just quickly, so I agree with Maggie, you know, you have to start somewhere.

1773
02:47:48,100 --> 02:47:51,900
You can't just say it's impossible or we can't do it unless it's all inclusive.

1774
02:47:53,020 --> 02:48:00,360
You know, it is baby steps and I think, I applaud the EAC, I know we tried to bring something

1775
02:48:00,360 --> 02:48:01,060
like this forward.

1776
02:48:01,240 --> 02:48:05,820
I remember Commissioner Clark and I many years ago, so I applaud them for taking it and running

1777
02:48:05,820 --> 02:48:09,080
with it and I think as long as there's engagement with the business community, I think that's

1778
02:48:09,080 --> 02:48:09,660
It's very important.

1779
02:48:11,280 --> 02:48:15,240
We should go ahead and pursue it and see where it lands.

1780
02:48:19,660 --> 02:48:22,620
Is there any other feeling sense of the board?

1781
02:48:23,580 --> 02:48:26,980
I think what I'm hearing is that we would like to learn more.

1782
02:48:27,240 --> 02:48:32,540
I think to everyone's point about what elements would be

1783
02:48:33,540 --> 02:48:36,500
acceptable to our community, to our small business owners,

1784
02:48:36,500 --> 02:48:38,720
and our shoppers.

1785
02:48:39,140 --> 02:48:41,940
I think there's a lot of variations on how to do

1786
02:48:41,940 --> 02:48:49,060
do one of these. Some of them include banning all single use utensils as well. You know, we

1787
02:48:49,060 --> 02:48:53,080
could broaden this scope. We could narrow this scope. But I think that it sounds to me

1788
02:48:53,080 --> 02:48:57,920
like the finishing that's worth pursuing. I think already some good work has been done

1789
02:48:57,920 --> 02:49:03,700
by the environmental advisory council and they would either be able to come and present

1790
02:49:03,700 --> 02:49:11,920
to us. They're willing to use their public meeting to host the community business owners

1791
02:49:11,920 --> 02:49:19,860
and others, and I think doing individual outreach to different areas of business is really

1792
02:49:19,860 --> 02:49:30,360
important as well. So I would like to direct staff to do some research, connect with the EIC,

1793
02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:35,980
make sure that the proposal that they have is, you know, vetted against other options,

1794
02:49:35,980 --> 02:49:39,360
and then get the public engagement part started.

1795
02:49:39,800 --> 02:49:44,900
Very good, yep, we will through our new liaison to that group,

1796
02:49:45,060 --> 02:49:48,100
we will get that message delivered, and then for their parts,

1797
02:49:48,400 --> 02:49:51,340
Kevin and John will jump in when asked.

1798
02:49:58,690 --> 02:49:59,970
Okay, so we are moving.

1799
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:26,360
Moving on to Section 5, reports of board liaisons. I want to open this by reminding us all that we spoke at our reorg meeting that we would change the structure of how commissioners engage with various commissions, boards and committees that are citizens led in our community.

1800
02:50:27,940 --> 02:50:33,340
and we will now have a liaison, one board member will be a liaison to the committees that

1801
02:50:33,340 --> 02:50:41,300
were selected by staff and Commissioner input. It conveniently whittled down to a list

1802
02:50:41,300 --> 02:50:49,300
of seven that staff believe would benefit from having a Commissioner liaison and with conversations

1803
02:50:49,300 --> 02:50:55,020
and communications with all of you. I will just read out the way that we have been assigned

1804
02:50:55,020 --> 02:50:58,520
and then I will open it up to any reports from any of the board liaison.

1805
02:50:59,060 --> 02:51:05,880
So for the Board of Health Commissioner Myers, Dr. Myers is the liaison for the Citizens

1806
02:51:05,880 --> 02:51:12,380
Communications Council. It's Commissioner Abel. The Environmental Advisory Council is myself,

1807
02:51:12,860 --> 02:51:18,640
Commissioner Mulroney. Historical Architectural Review Board is Commissioner Larkin.

1808
02:51:19,160 --> 02:51:24,080
The Planning Commission is Commissioner Jones. Parks and Recreation Board is Commissioner

1809
02:51:24,080 --> 02:51:28,760
Fargey and the Strait Tree Commission is Commissioner Burowski.

1810
02:51:29,660 --> 02:51:36,820
I encourage all of you to connect with the staff liaison of each of those boards or commissions

1811
02:51:36,820 --> 02:51:37,900
if you are new to them.

1812
02:51:37,920 --> 02:51:45,760
I know that some of you have been engaged with these groups for a while and we will use

1813
02:51:45,760 --> 02:51:50,760
this time at the meeting to do any reports back the same way we have done when it was standing

1814
02:51:50,760 --> 02:51:56,620
committees but just a little bit of different structure. I'm hoping that it will enhance our engagement

1815
02:51:57,420 --> 02:52:07,180
with these groups and yeah I think that's it. So if everybody's good with theirs, I mean you've

1816
02:52:07,180 --> 02:52:12,220
all agreed to your assignments ahead of this meeting. So thank you for that. Thank you all of you for

1817
02:52:12,220 --> 02:52:20,280
your service. I was going to I can start the report out because my committee we just had the major

1818
02:52:20,280 --> 02:52:26,360
discussion about whether or not to move forward with looking into the ban of

1819
02:52:26,360 --> 02:52:32,820
plastic bags. And since I am new, a new liaison to that committee, I'm just

1820
02:52:32,820 --> 02:52:37,940
starting to get to know them and the other issues that are important to them.

1821
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:42,780
So obviously appreciate the service of those citizens and I look forward to

1822
02:52:42,780 --> 02:52:47,300
working on that committee. Is there anyone else who wants to make a report?

1823
02:52:50,000 --> 02:52:56,040
I just wanted to say that I could talk to you off, you know, off the dice, but I'm noticing

1824
02:52:56,040 --> 02:53:02,720
that there is a time conflict between the RML and the zoning.

1825
02:53:03,920 --> 02:53:05,360
We'll talk about that.

1826
02:53:08,840 --> 02:53:09,400
What's that?

1827
02:53:10,940 --> 02:53:12,260
I mean, I'm sorry, planning.

1828
02:53:12,260 --> 02:53:13,240
I thought.

1829
02:53:13,640 --> 02:53:13,680
Right?

1830
02:53:14,140 --> 02:53:19,400
But I said there's, um, Annemarie is also one of the new board members, um, on the

1831
02:53:19,400 --> 02:53:20,940
Radar Memorial Library.

1832
02:53:22,100 --> 02:53:23,220
Hold on, maybe I read it wrong.

1833
02:53:23,500 --> 02:53:27,280
I think planning is Mondays, and the library's on Thursdays, yeah.

1834
02:53:30,010 --> 02:53:34,330
There are also, I would like to add that there is nothing that prohibits any of the board

1835
02:53:34,330 --> 02:53:39,270
members, um, from going to any of the committee's or commissions that they are interested in.

1836
02:53:39,270 --> 02:53:45,630
And this is just to have an official liaison, but a lot of these conversations are things

1837
02:53:45,630 --> 02:53:49,490
that we all want to be involved in, and I encourage you to continue to do that.

1838
02:53:49,650 --> 02:53:56,770
There are also other committees and boards that staff did not identify as needing a liaison,

1839
02:53:57,190 --> 02:54:03,530
but if there's another area of interest, we can always discuss whether to make it another

1840
02:54:03,530 --> 02:54:06,090
official liaison to a committee.

1841
02:54:07,630 --> 02:54:10,450
So I'll just quickly report out on Shade Tree.

1842
02:54:10,690 --> 02:54:16,430
I just want to congratulate Seth Reeser and James Gibbons, who were elected Chair and

1843
02:54:16,430 --> 02:54:21,330
Vice Chair of the Shade Tree Commission at their last meeting in January.

1844
02:54:23,050 --> 02:54:31,310
And thanks to the hard work of Frank Paris, we have a, are continuing the relationship that

1845
02:54:31,310 --> 02:54:59,970
that we have with the Pennsylvania Horticultural Society and they have as part of the bear root tree program we'll be getting 80 shade trees, shade trees and fruit trees that residents can request for free and the township is going to plant them, we're looking for residents who are willing to plant trees in the right of way as we work on, you know, beautifying the right of way or the like the street areas of our township.

1846
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:29,820
So, if people are interested, they can contact the, they can check out the website, the flyer will be up and will be distributing it soon. I also posted on my Facebook page and I asked all the commissioners to include it in any of their communications out to their ward. So it's a great opportunity to get a free treat. So if the township plants it in the right of way, who is responsible? Because that's been one of the issues we've had the last couple of years is now, you know,

1847
02:55:29,820 --> 02:55:32,960
All these trees we planted 20, 30 years ago,

1848
02:55:33,640 --> 02:55:35,320
your neighbors are saying that they want them out,

1849
02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:39,000
and it's becoming a huge expense for the township.

1850
02:55:39,240 --> 02:55:40,680
I'm sorry, I guess I misspoke.

1851
02:55:41,140 --> 02:55:42,360
It will be on the properties,

1852
02:55:42,920 --> 02:55:45,340
but we want them to be on the streets.

1853
02:55:45,900 --> 02:55:49,200
Like, so we prefer, I mean, people can get it

1854
02:55:49,200 --> 02:55:50,640
and put it in their backyard if they want,

1855
02:55:50,860 --> 02:55:53,660
but the idea is to have, you know,

1856
02:55:54,700 --> 02:55:56,240
realign the streets with trees.

1857
02:55:56,960 --> 02:55:58,260
No, no, I understand that.

1858
02:55:58,260 --> 02:56:03,700
So if it goes along the street in the right of way, who's then responsible for it?

1859
02:56:03,940 --> 02:56:08,080
The homeowner will be responsible for it because they're requesting it.

1860
02:56:08,360 --> 02:56:10,640
But they're going to say the township planted it and it's a township.

1861
02:56:11,460 --> 02:56:15,800
So they're getting a free tree and free planting from the township.

1862
02:56:16,000 --> 02:56:17,260
They are requesting it.

1863
02:56:17,380 --> 02:56:19,520
The township isn't coming and just putting it on their lawn.

1864
02:56:19,960 --> 02:56:22,140
So the residents are requesting it if they want one.

1865
02:56:22,820 --> 02:56:24,920
And then they are going to be responsible for it.

1866
02:56:24,920 --> 02:56:27,620
They need to water it and take care of it.

1867
02:56:27,620 --> 02:56:30,560
30 years from now when some other person owns that house.

1868
02:56:30,580 --> 02:56:35,260
If you ask for a tree and you have it on your property, it becomes your responsibility.

1869
02:56:35,360 --> 02:56:36,220
But they didn't ask for it.

1870
02:56:36,320 --> 02:56:41,800
There's going to be a new homeowner and they're going to say which we hear now the township planted it, they're responsible.

1871
02:56:42,400 --> 02:56:50,700
Okay, so when you buy a house and there's trees on the property, you technically never ask for any of them, correct?

1872
02:56:53,520 --> 02:56:59,380
I think we need to decide, you know, is the township responsible for trees planted in the right away.

1873
02:56:59,380 --> 02:57:12,620
So the township is planting the trees as a part of an incentive to get people to put more trees in the township.

1874
02:57:13,300 --> 02:57:21,720
So the trees are small, I would gather to say that maybe in 40 years they could be something that people need.

1875
02:57:21,720 --> 02:57:28,260
But if people are requesting a tree, they're accepting this responsibility of a tree.

1876
02:57:29,340 --> 02:57:42,020
I think if there's a way to, I think I understand that the Shade Tree Commission wants the trees to be out front of the property rather than everybody taking a tree and put it in their backyard.

1877
02:57:42,020 --> 02:57:49,640
hard. I think it still makes it the homeowners. It should be on, I would suggest that we make

1878
02:57:49,640 --> 02:57:53,820
sure that it's planted on their property and it's not in the right way. It's just, you

1879
02:57:53,820 --> 02:57:56,000
can see it from the right one. Is that what they mean?

1880
02:57:57,720 --> 02:58:02,020
Yeah, the people can basically say where and their property they want the tree to go, but

1881
02:58:02,020 --> 02:58:08,060
the idea is to put, you know, to kind of re-line the streets with the trees.

1882
02:58:08,060 --> 02:58:13,280
But let me question, but if it's in the right away and it grows up in front of say like a telephone

1883
02:58:13,280 --> 02:58:20,500
pole and I'm throwing some like pico comes and they chop the top off right and then the

1884
02:58:20,500 --> 02:58:25,100
tree dies it's the township that's going to wind up because because I've had that I mean because in

1885
02:58:25,100 --> 02:58:30,780
my neighborhood there's the street the berm the sidewalk and we have a bunch of those where those

1886
02:58:30,780 --> 02:58:33,160
paratroopers, those paratroopers, what are they called?

1887
02:58:34,800 --> 02:58:35,880
Bradford pairs, right?

1888
02:58:36,540 --> 02:58:42,060
So I have residents and I'm like, it's in the right away, I don't want it, it's dying

1889
02:58:42,060 --> 02:58:47,280
get it out in the township, it's done it, they've done it with someone planted those

1890
02:58:47,280 --> 02:58:52,000
Atlantis trees or something and they got all spotted lanternflies on it and it died and because

1891
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:57,160
it was in the right away, it's my understanding that it's a township's responsibility regardless

1892
02:58:57,160 --> 02:58:58,300
of who plants it.

1893
02:58:58,940 --> 02:59:02,620
So Bill, you're shaking your head, yes, and that's what I believe, and then it becomes

1894
02:59:02,620 --> 02:59:04,320
down to a liability issue too.

1895
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:11,440
So forget about, you know, plant a tree in my yard, I'll take care of it, now if that

1896
02:59:11,440 --> 02:59:16,120
tree comes down or if it's a faulty tree, or it's a sick tree, it's a disease tree, they

1897
02:59:16,120 --> 02:59:20,840
bought a bad batch, and a branch comes down and destroys a car, God forbid, it hurts a person

1898
02:59:20,840 --> 02:59:27,560
like on the Ratner Trail, I just would have questions and concerns with the liability aspect

1899
02:59:27,560 --> 02:59:33,640
as well. So there's a couple of different things at play here. Commissioner

1900
02:59:33,640 --> 02:59:39,900
Barowski's correct, if somebody, if the current homeowner requests a tree to

1901
02:59:39,900 --> 02:59:43,260
be planted on their property, even if it's in the right away, they are accepting

1902
02:59:43,260 --> 02:59:50,020
responsibility for that tree. If that tree either with that current homeowner or

1903
02:59:50,020 --> 02:59:57,080
some future homeowner becomes a hazardous tree and is dying and needs to be

1904
02:59:57,080 --> 02:59:58,620
remove the township.

1905
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:27,680
It does take responsibility for trees in the right of way, so the township would be responsible for removing it. In terms of liability, when the owner accepts the new tree being planted on their property, they become liable for that tree. It's their tree on their property, even though it's in the right of way, it's still their tree and their responsibility. Again, the township only gets involved if it becomes hazardous.

1906
03:00:27,680 --> 03:00:36,400
If a subsequent homeowner comes and buys that house doesn't like the tree, it's completely

1907
03:00:36,400 --> 03:00:41,300
healthy and wants it removed simply because they don't like it and learns that the

1908
03:00:41,300 --> 03:00:45,720
township planted it, that is not something the township is going to take responsibility

1909
03:00:45,720 --> 03:00:46,500
for or remove.

1910
03:00:47,000 --> 03:00:53,200
The homeowner through the proper shade tree process can determine if they want to remove

1911
03:00:53,200 --> 03:00:53,720
that tree.

1912
03:00:54,880 --> 03:00:58,900
If that tree grows up and around wires and poles,

1913
03:00:59,780 --> 03:01:01,720
utility companies are going to come take care of it.

1914
03:01:03,900 --> 03:01:07,660
And that's, we've learned with a couple of the projects in the last year

1915
03:01:08,220 --> 03:01:10,460
that we have very little say when that happens.

1916
03:01:11,260 --> 03:01:14,440
But when PICO does come through and do that,

1917
03:01:14,560 --> 03:01:21,820
they are using tree experts to manage the tree as best as possible.

1918
03:01:21,820 --> 03:01:27,420
If, in their opinion, the tree, whatever needs to be removed, is going to endanger the

1919
03:01:27,420 --> 03:01:30,160
life of the tree, they remove the full tree.

1920
03:01:31,180 --> 03:01:37,960
They only trim and shape trees that they feel can be done and also save the tree, or keep

1921
03:01:37,960 --> 03:01:38,460
the tree.

1922
03:01:40,380 --> 03:01:47,980
So the management of the trees is obviously multifaceted, but specific to this program,

1923
03:01:47,980 --> 03:01:58,880
I have the idea is to plant trees, and as soon as the homeowner accepts responsibility for that tree, it is theirs until such time when it becomes a hazard.

1924
03:01:59,860 --> 03:02:02,960
And only then if it's in the right of way will the township take responsibility.

1925
03:02:07,340 --> 03:02:11,020
Commissioner Moroni, can I just say thank you for putting me back on parks and rec.

1926
03:02:12,800 --> 03:02:19,740
And with that, just there's a great little league meeting at the Wayne,

1927
03:02:19,740 --> 03:02:21,560
Pardon me, Ratner Elementary Elementary School.

1928
03:02:22,280 --> 03:02:27,000
We are looking for coaches, they are, I hopefully will be a coach this year, but they're looking

1929
03:02:27,000 --> 03:02:33,620
for coaches anywhere from kindergarten to probably seventh-race grade, depending on where

1930
03:02:33,620 --> 03:02:34,320
you age out.

1931
03:02:34,820 --> 03:02:40,800
So if you are interested in Little League Baseball, the spring, please reach out to me.

1932
03:02:42,040 --> 03:02:45,860
And I can put you in the correct contact with people.

1933
03:02:46,680 --> 03:03:05,420
I do want to say Tammy Cohen just does a fabulous job and anyone that ever watches those meetings when she rattles down her agenda so much out there when it comes to the Sweetheart Dance which was this Friday to a million other things that she has gone on.

1934
03:03:05,420 --> 03:03:09,640
So thank you very much for that and to the board that serves.

1935
03:03:11,080 --> 03:03:14,740
Also, real quick, Commissioner Moroni, back to your point.

1936
03:03:16,580 --> 03:03:22,460
There should be, you know, if it affects your ward and you're not on there, come out.

1937
03:03:22,780 --> 03:03:27,220
Maggie's done a terrific job with phantom or woods.

1938
03:03:27,540 --> 03:03:28,740
And I think that's great.

1939
03:03:29,020 --> 03:03:33,440
And everyone should be engaged and keep your residents engaged.

1940
03:03:33,880 --> 03:03:34,060
Thank you.

1941
03:03:34,060 --> 03:03:34,860
Okay,

1942
03:03:38,860 --> 03:03:48,480
do I hear any other reports from board liaisons, I'm not seeing any, so I am going to move to new business.

1943
03:03:48,800 --> 03:03:49,760
Is there any new business?

1944
03:03:52,120 --> 03:03:53,280
Is there any old business?

1945
03:03:53,840 --> 03:04:03,200
So, for new business, I just want to bring up, so on January 26th, a representative, state representative,

1946
03:04:03,200 --> 03:04:09,200
of Penicwick, circulated a co-sponsorship member for her soon to be introduced

1947
03:04:09,200 --> 03:04:14,200
Creighton Consumer Protection Act, and Jennifer O'Mara is a co-sponsor.

1948
03:04:14,340 --> 03:04:19,380
She is, yeah, a state representative for part of the third ward.

1949
03:04:20,360 --> 03:04:26,220
And I'd like to propose that we create a resolution to support this.

1950
03:04:42,170 --> 03:04:48,630
So I'm not sure that there's a new visit I hear you and I appreciate the

1951
03:04:48,630 --> 03:04:54,090
suggestion that we create a resolution. I think that much of what we were

1952
03:04:54,090 --> 03:04:59,970
hearing at the early part of the meeting is residents asking us to take some sort of

1953
03:05:01,560 --> 03:05:29,980
I'm very interested in continuing to work with staff and the solicitor to find out what that action is. But as Commissioner Jones has made very clear, there is movement at the state level to address this issue. And perhaps residents of Ratner would like to put their support behind that. But moving forward, I think as we all recognize that this is a very important issue for our community.

1954
03:05:29,980 --> 03:05:36,040
I think we're going to continue to look at it at all angles, that being one of them.

1955
03:05:36,880 --> 03:05:39,200
Does anybody have any response on?

1956
03:05:44,210 --> 03:05:45,370
I didn't finish my sentence.

1957
03:05:46,430 --> 03:05:51,510
Well, I feel like the, I don't really know what the resolution is.

1958
03:05:51,790 --> 03:05:52,870
So that's part of my problems.

1959
03:05:53,090 --> 03:05:56,070
So I'm hearing a state resolution.

1960
03:05:56,250 --> 03:05:57,990
Do we want a resolution to back the state?

1961
03:05:58,050 --> 03:05:59,990
But I don't really know what the state's thing says.

1962
03:05:59,990 --> 03:06:03,390
so I actually need to have some more information on that.

1963
03:06:04,110 --> 03:06:07,950
And I also think that it might not be the best role

1964
03:06:07,950 --> 03:06:10,030
for the Board of Commissioners

1965
03:06:10,650 --> 03:06:15,670
in the acute setting of dealing with a business

1966
03:06:17,030 --> 03:06:19,010
that's a proponent of this,

1967
03:06:19,090 --> 03:06:21,910
that we might do better to personally support it

1968
03:06:21,910 --> 03:06:24,550
or not support it rather than as a board.

1969
03:06:30,760 --> 03:06:33,380
Okay, then I will jump to old business,

1970
03:06:33,380 --> 03:06:38,660
Any old business from commissioners and public participation?

1971
03:06:47,630 --> 03:06:51,620
Sarah Pilling, 29 Garrett Avenue, first to the census.

1972
03:06:52,140 --> 03:06:58,400
I worked for the census 10 years ago, not in Ratner Township, but all over the main line.

1973
03:06:59,920 --> 03:07:05,300
And so I was very interested when we reapportioned the township.

1974
03:07:07,240 --> 03:07:12,100
The public was not involved until such time as there were three plans.

1975
03:07:12,760 --> 03:07:18,680
and then the public weighed in, and it is true that it's done mathematically

1976
03:07:18,680 --> 03:07:25,360
residents, and then there was a movement to break up the university, so one

1977
03:07:25,360 --> 03:07:30,920
ward would not be totally full of universities. There was no recollection

1978
03:07:30,920 --> 03:07:39,000
that party ever came into it. In the end, three commissioners, one Republican and

1979
03:07:39,000 --> 03:07:42,560
and two Democrats set the ward system.

1980
03:07:42,840 --> 03:07:45,120
And there was some horse trading at the very end.

1981
03:07:45,920 --> 03:07:47,760
So I just wanted to make that clear

1982
03:07:48,190 --> 03:07:50,040
because I've been here and I've seen it

1983
03:07:50,040 --> 03:07:52,840
and I know none of you participated in.

1984
03:07:53,420 --> 03:07:56,300
The other thing I wanted to say was to thank the township

1985
03:07:56,300 --> 03:08:01,920
for Michelle, Melissa, for being the liaison,

1986
03:08:02,740 --> 03:08:05,580
the sustainability and grant writer, liaison,

1987
03:08:05,580 --> 03:08:10,940
on the green team is moving ahead with a lot of stuff

1988
03:08:10,940 --> 03:08:13,840
right now because we suddenly have some support.

1989
03:08:14,480 --> 03:08:16,360
And Melissa has been in touch with us

1990
03:08:16,360 --> 03:08:18,960
with grant possibilities coming down the tracks

1991
03:08:19,540 --> 03:08:23,700
so that we feel like we can begin to do our work.

1992
03:08:24,420 --> 03:08:28,240
And not that the government has passed it,

1993
03:08:28,340 --> 03:08:29,800
but whether there will be the money,

1994
03:08:30,300 --> 03:08:32,480
there's going to be billions of dollars

1995
03:08:32,480 --> 03:08:39,000
for EV charging stations, and one of the things I think we should begin to look at is where

1996
03:08:39,000 --> 03:08:45,540
would they go? So that when the money appears, you're not going, oh, EV stations, hmm,

1997
03:08:45,800 --> 03:08:51,660
let me see, now where might we? And that's the kind of work that the green team is doing

1998
03:08:51,660 --> 03:08:59,640
is looking at what's coming down the track and looking at possibilities of where things

1999
03:08:59,640 --> 03:09:06,120
would go. How would you change the saldo so that you move more towards EV vehicles?

2000
03:09:06,140 --> 03:09:11,120
That's going to be one of the biggest movements in fighting for climate change.

2001
03:09:11,420 --> 03:09:11,800
Thank you.

2002
03:09:16,310 --> 03:09:18,110
Any other public participation?

2003
03:09:19,750 --> 03:09:23,710
Not seeing any? Do I have a motion to adjourn?

2004
03:09:24,050 --> 03:09:24,470
So moved.

2005
03:09:24,730 --> 03:09:25,690
In a second? Second?

2006
03:09:26,310 --> 03:09:26,910
All in favor?

2007
03:09:27,570 --> 03:09:27,790
Aye.

2008
03:09:28,210 --> 03:09:28,710
Thank you.

2009
03:09:30,650 --> 03:09:31,990
Happy Valentine's Day.