1 00:00:16,780 --> 00:00:23,820 Now we'll look to approve the minutes of last meeting. Do I have a motion to approve? 2 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:24,860 Motion to approve? 3 00:00:24,860 --> 00:00:26,300 And a second? 4 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,500 All right. 5 00:00:28,060 --> 00:00:29,020 That's good. 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,640 Now we only have one application for this meeting, 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,960 which is hard 2026-25, 204 Midland Avenue, 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,800 modification of side elevation openings. 9 00:00:40,420 --> 00:00:42,060 Come on up and present. 10 00:00:45,010 --> 00:00:45,950 Do you guys have the packet? 11 00:00:46,570 --> 00:00:47,290 We had bags. 12 00:00:47,410 --> 00:00:49,350 I thought this was all this over and over here without it. 13 00:00:49,350 --> 00:00:50,390 Sure, that's right. 14 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:51,650 And... 15 00:00:51,650 --> 00:00:52,670 Oh, oh, oh. 16 00:00:52,950 --> 00:00:53,210 Oh, oh. 17 00:00:53,710 --> 00:00:54,110 Okay. 18 00:00:57,030 --> 00:01:01,290 So this is the little bungalow, the little brown bungalow, and that one that everybody knows. 19 00:01:02,070 --> 00:01:05,350 It was built in 1910 for the local architect. 20 00:01:05,650 --> 00:01:07,930 Very eight type of call for him, usually built. 21 00:01:08,550 --> 00:01:11,110 He posted his work with actually public work. 22 00:01:12,670 --> 00:01:15,090 Churches, tools, and few of the larger. 23 00:01:16,010 --> 00:01:16,970 Yes, I've used them. 24 00:01:17,230 --> 00:01:17,390 Thank you. 25 00:01:17,770 --> 00:01:18,930 Oh, you're recording. 26 00:01:19,190 --> 00:01:19,370 Okay. 27 00:01:20,250 --> 00:01:23,050 I'm Gina Ventura, the architect for this project. 28 00:01:23,650 --> 00:01:26,430 It's 204, Midland Avenue, the little brown bungalow 29 00:01:26,430 --> 00:01:28,930 that you might know near the middle school. 30 00:01:29,650 --> 00:01:33,810 And we're looking for some modifications to the side elevation. 31 00:01:36,090 --> 00:01:36,110 Yeah. 32 00:01:37,090 --> 00:01:39,030 So David, it was a David Nicarbacher boy. 33 00:01:39,390 --> 00:01:43,130 He did the church on, like in the intersection of Wayne, 34 00:01:43,210 --> 00:01:43,950 the main intersection. 35 00:01:44,290 --> 00:01:46,650 He did another house on Aberdeen for himself. 36 00:01:46,650 --> 00:01:53,310 bigger. He did old the old Wayne schools. He was sort of the car's trombower generation 37 00:01:53,310 --> 00:02:00,050 out of Philly. But this was kind of an unusual house for Wayne. If you know it, and it was unusual 38 00:02:00,050 --> 00:02:08,650 for his portfolio. But kind of a cool quirky house. So the story of it was built in 1910. 39 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:16,470 The original front elevation is exactly as it is today, hasn't changed. The only thing that's 40 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:24,570 change to the houses. There was a rear porch that was enclosed. I don't know when. There was no records of that. So it was a while ago. 41 00:02:25,150 --> 00:02:32,510 But the house looks literally exactly the same. Next door to the left is actually the new owner's daughter. 42 00:02:32,970 --> 00:02:43,550 That was built in 1947. So a little later than most of the other ones. The house directly to the right of it was also built in 1910. 43 00:02:43,550 --> 00:02:46,470 And I believe this was recently approved by Harb 44 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:47,570 to enclose some windows. 45 00:02:48,230 --> 00:02:49,630 I did notice that. 46 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:53,050 So, you know, these houses change over time. 47 00:02:53,670 --> 00:02:55,890 This one is directly across the street, 48 00:02:56,310 --> 00:03:01,250 built in 1908, and this is kind of an interesting one. 49 00:03:01,250 --> 00:03:05,710 I believe this was renovated probably about 13 years ago. 50 00:03:06,390 --> 00:03:07,210 This is that sound right, too, 51 00:03:07,470 --> 00:03:09,070 because the owner's son was in kindergarten 52 00:03:09,070 --> 00:03:11,270 with my son, and they just graduated high school. 53 00:03:11,270 --> 00:03:25,990 So, this was the original building from 1910 and then the next page is actually the renovation that they did to it, which is, you know, very different, a little more modern, but still, I think, I think beautiful, I think they did a great job. 54 00:03:26,290 --> 00:03:34,150 I don't know if you can tell from here, but they have a really cool hanging late fixture above the front door that's gas, kind of flickers, which is neat. 55 00:03:34,790 --> 00:03:41,950 So, here is our front elevation of Midland, super, super unusual with this arched window 56 00:03:41,950 --> 00:03:46,250 completely smushed next to the two double hungs with shutters that are totally 57 00:03:46,250 --> 00:03:49,390 the wrong size, but it's all original, believe it or not. 58 00:03:50,290 --> 00:03:56,630 I have the floor plan for later, but it was a two bedroom bungalow with an enclosed staircase. 59 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:59,010 The second floor was only for storage. 60 00:03:59,010 --> 00:04:03,850 no, right now there's three bedrooms up there in a bathroom must have happened over time but 61 00:04:03,850 --> 00:04:10,030 it was just a little bungalow and when we look at the floor plan, it actually had an outhouse 62 00:04:10,030 --> 00:04:16,690 also and an out kitchen adjacent to the regular kitchen. So it kind of an unusual floor plan. 63 00:04:18,710 --> 00:04:23,610 In an article I found that so the two double hung windows are actually in the kitchen and it was 64 00:04:23,610 --> 00:04:28,610 kind of unusual in homes to put the kitchen towards the front of the house. They were more 65 00:04:28,610 --> 00:04:31,930 towards the back, but in this funny, the article said, 66 00:04:32,590 --> 00:04:34,150 you know, this was a main thoroughfare. 67 00:04:34,350 --> 00:04:36,910 I guess Midland was like some kind of straight back then. 68 00:04:37,430 --> 00:04:39,350 And there was a big view out the back, 69 00:04:39,530 --> 00:04:40,970 because none of these houses were here. 70 00:04:41,470 --> 00:04:43,990 So it was kind of kind of a cool plan. 71 00:04:44,430 --> 00:04:46,490 And it hadn't been changed to this day. 72 00:04:46,770 --> 00:04:48,010 It was the family. 73 00:04:48,110 --> 00:04:49,630 It was built for it. 74 00:04:49,630 --> 00:04:53,610 It was the same family until this football at it 75 00:04:53,610 --> 00:04:55,990 when they closed and June or July. 76 00:04:56,970 --> 00:04:58,930 So here's the side elevation. 77 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:13,020 You can see sort of the bottom floor, if we go way left, you can kind of see the porch that's kind of coming out that's enclosed with very ugly vinyl windows that was done a long time ago. 78 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:19,040 The sort of triple window is in the current dining room, with a pretty low sill. 79 00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:28,840 The next window is in a pantry, and then there's sort of this entry sequence behind those boxes right here is actually a very small outhouse door. 80 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:35,200 It might be 24 inches wide and then sort of a larger side light and door to the out kitchen. 81 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:43,280 We're changing the floor pan to plan around a bit to relocate the kitchen where this window is. 82 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,560 So it's a little low and we have no wall so we're looking to raise it. 83 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:54,200 So we're just looking to do something very simple, very bungalow style, just double hungs. 84 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,960 This window here is about 29 inches wide. 85 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,800 I'd like to repeat it here, and I'd like to double it here or make it a little bigger. 86 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:10,440 The appliances haven't been selected, so it literally will depend on, you know, a fridge and their range. 87 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:17,140 Which both I think will be standard size, so you know, we'll just need enough room for that and some trim. 88 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:24,180 The trim details inside are quite big, and we're going to keep those trim details, so the windows will be as big as they can. 89 00:06:24,180 --> 00:06:27,100 but it's sort of real simple, bungalow style. 90 00:06:27,820 --> 00:06:31,340 We were going to sort of just let the front be kind of interesting. 91 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,900 And we keep the side pretty basic and functional. 92 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,080 Here's the floor plan, which was kind of cool. 93 00:06:39,420 --> 00:06:41,980 Kind of tricky to see, but this is the porch. 94 00:06:42,420 --> 00:06:44,040 This is the out kitchen. 95 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:46,460 If you can see that, that's actually an outhouse. 96 00:06:46,940 --> 00:06:48,760 The dining room. 97 00:06:50,060 --> 00:06:52,700 And then here's the kitchen, sort of facing the street. 98 00:06:52,700 --> 00:06:57,820 There wasn't a driveway here, so this has been modified over time, those like big fences. 99 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,760 And then this is a, I didn't realize how bad this scan was. 100 00:07:03,820 --> 00:07:07,420 So I did not think you care about the inside, but I'm going to show you anyway. 101 00:07:08,780 --> 00:07:11,260 So this is sort of the new floor plan. 102 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,020 And if you can see, we have the mudroom here with the window. 103 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:18,780 And this is really, we're trying to open everything up for, 104 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:24,900 I'd have the primary bedroom on the first floor as the new client is she's in her late 70s. 105 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,920 So we want to we want to make things accessible with wide hallways a little bit bigger doors. 106 00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:34,200 And so this was sort of the most logical spot for the kitchen. 107 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,740 And like I said, we're really tight with a fridge and a range here. 108 00:07:39,380 --> 00:07:43,990 So as soon as they pick those, we'll have the windows be as big as they can be. 109 00:07:46,470 --> 00:07:46,950 Yep. 110 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:55,340 This is the front right here. Yep. So these are these those two windows and then 111 00:07:55,340 --> 00:07:56,300 this is the side. 112 00:08:00,770 --> 00:08:00,890 Yep. 113 00:08:03,630 --> 00:08:07,190 I'm not changing the front. Nothing on the front. No. Nope. The front 114 00:08:07,190 --> 00:08:09,710 will stay exactly the same and that's the side. 115 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:12,380 Yep. 116 00:08:25,410 --> 00:08:26,570 Or the side. Yep. East. 117 00:08:36,930 --> 00:08:37,610 Looks good. It was hard 118 00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:40,910 to see what the dumpster there. Yeah. Yeah. 119 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,240 I think it's really great. It really goes with 120 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,500 house, everything you're doing. My only common is I know on that proposed 121 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:05,300 elevation where you have the kitchen windows with the shutters. I imagine 122 00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:11,980 you're doing shutters everywhere because so matches. But on those windows a 123 00:09:11,980 --> 00:09:16,100 big one that you were talking about the shutters just look a little bit funky 124 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:20,400 because they look out of scale with the actual size of the window. Like if you would 125 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,580 close them which you probably won't close these shutters are just decorative. It's not 126 00:09:25,580 --> 00:09:27,360 I'm going to close the whole window. 127 00:09:28,420 --> 00:09:33,040 So I agree, but out front, I just sort of didn't answer anything. 128 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,720 And they're even worse, but they're original. 129 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:38,660 OK, so that's why I was like, they clearly don't shut here. 130 00:09:38,740 --> 00:09:40,620 I mean, I could go either way, shutters are. 131 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,160 I typically agree, and I never do them unless they actually 132 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:43,560 close. 133 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,100 But I was like, this front elevation is so interesting. 134 00:09:48,540 --> 00:09:50,620 So I said, you know what, if you did it out front, 135 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:51,600 I can do it on the side. 136 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,220 But it's, you know, we can, you know, 137 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:58,200 They are expensive, those are timberly and historic lines. 138 00:09:59,080 --> 00:09:59,840 So I agree with you. 139 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:06,360 I typically never do that, but I did, in this case, I just wanted to throw it out, I 100% agree with 140 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,000 it, but I do look great. Yeah, it's, I mean, I'm the Bill Coddorstein. 141 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:18,260 Bill Coddor is going to say, whether we paint it white, I'm not sure. The basements completely 142 00:10:18,260 --> 00:10:23,580 unfinished, still stand finished, but I think in terms of access for, you know, any work 143 00:10:23,580 --> 00:10:27,180 that needs to be done now there, we'll keep it. 144 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,460 Yeah, so there was quite a bit of landscaping. 145 00:10:34,460 --> 00:10:39,540 There's, you know it, it's like the Brown House, I'm in the, there was a ton of landscaping, 146 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,120 overgrown, that is, it's now down, it's actually very pretty, 147 00:10:47,380 --> 00:10:49,440 not at this time, no. 148 00:10:51,710 --> 00:10:56,750 Sorry, no, my mic on that whole time. I just had this. Did you say the architect was Boyd? 149 00:10:57,110 --> 00:11:00,930 Boyd. Okay. Yeah, Nick, David, Nick or Bakker Boyd. 150 00:11:00,950 --> 00:11:04,410 He's the architect of my house. He is, yeah, that's really cool. 151 00:11:05,150 --> 00:11:07,170 Okay, okay, because you're in North Wayne, right? 152 00:11:07,710 --> 00:11:11,070 Yeah, so he did a few in South Wayne and then a lot. 153 00:11:11,350 --> 00:11:13,910 And I actually was at, I went to the historical museum 154 00:11:13,910 --> 00:11:16,670 and sat with the sky for probably too long, 155 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:20,410 but his whole, wasn't really a sketchbook. 156 00:11:20,530 --> 00:11:23,070 It was more like just a book of his clippings. 157 00:11:23,470 --> 00:11:24,850 He did a lot in like, 158 00:11:26,130 --> 00:11:29,090 Ardmore, Brimmar, and then a lot of... 159 00:11:29,090 --> 00:11:30,630 A lot of libraries and schools. 160 00:11:30,770 --> 00:11:32,590 He did wherever, so we're Wayne Elementary 161 00:11:32,590 --> 00:11:37,770 was or where Wayne middle school is. That's where all the Wayne schools were at one time and he did some of those. 162 00:11:39,330 --> 00:11:45,090 Yeah, it was pretty, it was pretty cool. Great. Let's see, do I have a motion here to 163 00:11:45,090 --> 00:11:51,850 for a certificate of appropriateness? Yeah, motion approved. Second, second, second. Second. 164 00:11:52,950 --> 00:11:57,450 All right. Well, I'll agree. Say aye. All right. All right. That's great. 165 00:11:57,450 --> 00:11:59,190 Thank you so much. 166 00:11:59,570 --> 00:12:00,690 Thank you. 167 00:12:00,810 --> 00:12:02,130 Thank you. 168 00:12:02,170 --> 00:12:05,930 Let's see, before we return, we'll have to say that the next hard meeting is scheduled 169 00:12:05,930 --> 00:12:12,170 for October 7th at 630 applications for the October 7th meeting must be submitted on or 170 00:12:12,170 --> 00:12:15,010 before September 22nd. 171 00:12:15,990 --> 00:12:16,690 So let's see. 172 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:21,210 Good luck. 173 00:12:21,550 --> 00:12:21,970 Thank you. 174 00:12:23,070 --> 00:12:23,410 Thank you. 175 00:12:23,410 --> 00:12:24,150 Thank you.