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I'd like to call to order the August 12th meeting of the Rally Planning Commission. My name is

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Nicole Bennett, and I have the honor of serving as chair of the commission. I want to thank

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my fellow commissioners for your trust. I'd like to welcome members of the public, city

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staff, and those joining us virtually. Our work here is about building a rally that reflects

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the needs, values, and hopes of all of our residents and that work deserves our best

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focus and respect. A few quick reminders as we get started. Commissioners, please wait

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to be recognized by the Chair before speaking. We will treat applicants, staff, the public

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and each other with courtesy at all times. Healthy debate is welcome and differences

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of opinion are part of the process, but let's keep our discussions on topic, constructive

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and as my former pastor used to say, decent and in order. We each bring passion and

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perspective to this table. My commitment as Chair is to make sure that energy moves

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us forward to an informed recommendation for City Council. With that, let's get started.

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We begin each meeting with an opportunity for members of the public to comment on items

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not on the agenda. Is there anyone here this morning who would like to comment on an item

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not on the agenda?

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Seeing none, we'll move into the agenda. First, we have the consent

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agenda, which includes approval of the June 24th meeting minutes. Does anyone have

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any comments on the minutes?

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I would just know there's a paper copy on the table for you. The attachment and the agenda

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was in a draft form and so it may be helpful for you to look at the paper copy on the table.

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Do

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you want to have any, I know it's a quick review, but any comments on the minutes?

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If not, I will entertain a motion. So moved. Motion to approve the minutes.

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Do I have a second? Second.

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have a motion on the second all in favor it's

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unanimous thank you the minutes

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are approved next we'll move to committee reports we have one item coming

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out of our June 26 committee of the whole meeting rezoning Z1324 South New

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Hope Road the committee voted this item out with no recommendation pending

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additional conditions from the applicant I'll ask staff for an update

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on this case.

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Good morning commissioners. Erin Klinger planning and development here

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to give an update on Z1324. As a refresher, the applicant is requesting to

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rezone approximately seven and three-quarters acres from R6 and R10

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to NX4CU. The deadline for action is August 26th. So the proposed

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conditions for the site would again limit uses that would otherwise be

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permitted in annex zoning on the portion of the property east of South New Hope

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Road, prohibit buildings within 200 feet of residential properties in the

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neighborhood to the northeast of the site, limit density to 150 dwelling units,

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and limit square footage for non-residential space to 35,000. Revised

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conditions that were submitted since the Committee of the Whole Meeting would

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prohibit hookah bars or vape and tobacco shops. Promise construction of a

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10-foot wide multi-use path from the new development to the Walnut Creek Greenway and state that

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the portion of the property south of the existing City of Raleigh sewer easement will not contain

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residential units.

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Again, the requested zoning is inconsistent with the future land use map

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designation of low-scale residential, which designates R2, R4, and R6 is the most

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appropriate zoning districts for this land use category, but it does envision a range

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of housing types. While the proposed zoning would permit the housing types described in

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this land use designation, it does so at a scale that better aligns with the neighborhood

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mixed use category. The request is consistent with the comprehensive

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plan. It supports policies and vision themes encouraging compact development of variety

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of housing types, infill development, and open space preservation. It also aligns with

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goals for increasing housing supply and supporting neighborhood serving retail.

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On the other hand, as mentioned on the last side, the request is inconsistent with the

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Futureland use map.

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The request aligns with the policy shown here related to infill development, diversifying

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housing options and preserving open space.

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It also supports broader goals related to housing availability and access to neighborhood

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scale commercial uses.

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As you can see here, the revised conditions have added policy PR 3.13 greenway-oriented

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development to the list of policies with which the request is consistent.

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Inconsistent policies include those shown here.

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These have not changed from the last meeting.

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There are no outstanding issues with the request.

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Again, the deadline for action is August 26th, which is also when the next meeting

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is.

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The request would require an amendment to the future land use map.

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Approval would amend the map from low-scale residential to neighborhood mixed use.

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And again, if the rezoning is approved, it would amend the future land use map.

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Thank you.

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We've received a full presentation from the applicant and heard from members of the public at the committee meeting.

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Are there members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

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I see the applicant. I'll grant without objection five minutes to each

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slide.

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Good morning Chair Bennett and members of the Planning Commission

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worth mills with Longleaf partners here on behalf of Go Long Holdings LLC who

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is the property owner and the rezoning applicant. When this case was at

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Committee of the Whole there were a handful of questions specifically with

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with regard to our zoning conditions and what we were going to be offering in the interim

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between the Committee of the Whole meeting and this Planning Commission meeting.

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For one, we have reworked condition two, which is the prohibition on hookah bars and vape

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or tobacco shops to make sure that it is clearly defined and that the condition

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does not prohibit other retail uses like a gas station or a convenience store from selling

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those products, but making sure that we're keeping a specific hookah bar or vape tobacco

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shop out of this site.

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We have also included the condition to connect this development to the Walnut Creek Greenway

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Trail with a 10-foot wide multi-use path.

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and we have offered a condition that requires all of the land south of the

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existing city of Raleigh sewer easement to be set aside for commercial space

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which is a big point of contention for a lot of cases in Southeast Raleigh that

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offer commercial uses but don't actually put those uses into practice so we

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want to make sure that we are setting aside land for commercial uses that

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will benefit this community as well as the surrounding neighborhoods. While this rezoning

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is inconsistent with the future land use map, it is consistent with the comprehensive plan

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overall and given the constraints that are on the property today with the Duke Energy

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Transmission Line easement as well as that City of Raleigh Sewer easement, we think

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that the highest and best use of this property is for multifamily with

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commercial uses on that southern side. Having the ability to connect to the

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greenway offers folks additional ways to access the site. We have access off of

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South New Hope Road through a right in right out and we'll also be extending

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Maybrook Drive to open up that piece of the street as public right of way

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which again not only benefits this site but also benefits the

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neighborhoods to our east. Myself and Peter Knossin are here to answer any

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questions. Thank you for the time this morning and we appreciate your

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consideration. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mills. Is there anyone else here who

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wishes to speak in support of this case?

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Seeing none, we'll turn to the

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opposition. Is there anyone here who wishes to speak in opposition?

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I'll bring it back to the table then. Commissioners, do you have any

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any questions or comments?

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Commissioner McCoy.

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The last time that you all came to the Committee of the Whole, we discussed making sure that

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a good amount of residents knew about this project. Have you all done any extra outreach

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in July to make sure that residents knew about it who didn't know?

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We did not. We held two neighborhood meetings and have kept those attendees who are those

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Those who attended and who sent us email addresses, we've been in communication with those folks

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throughout the rezoning process to give them updates on new conditions and to answer general

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questions that they've had throughout the process.

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But we did not hold any new neighborhood meetings just given the fact that the first two neighborhood

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meetings were fairly positive and people were on board with bringing new commercial

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uses to the site. Do you have an idea of what commercial I heard also in the

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committee of the whole and what you said now that it's a prohibition on vape

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shops and things like that but do you have an idea of what type of commercial

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use you want this space to be? Yeah there were so in talking with the

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applicant and the property owner they envisioned either some sort of office

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use or some sort of restaurant maybe a combination of the two like fast

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casual restaurants, but no specific tenants or mix of uses have been sort of selected at

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this point.

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Any other questions or comments?

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If not, then I will entertain a motion,

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Commissioner Fox.

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In regards to case Z1324, I moved to recommend adoption of the proposed consistency statement

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dated August 12, 2025, contained in the Agenda Materials and recommended

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So includes an amendment to the future land use map to the extent described in the adopted consistency statement.

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We have a motion. Do I have a second?

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Commissioner Miller has seconded the motion. Any other discussion?

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If not, all in favor?

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All opposed?

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Thank you. That is how many of us are there?

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Eight to one.

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Thank you very much.

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Commissioner Omakaiye, would you like to state for the record your opposition to the case?

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I live in this community, like literally this project is up the street for me and around the corner.

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It's a two-lane road, same thing I said in Committee of the Whole, that this is going to increase traffic in that area.

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Rock Wari already has substantial traffic, especially going past New Hope.

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That's going to increase that traffic.

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my mom lives literally right there on the map and she didn't get any

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notification or information about this rezoning. I know that there is a little

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tiny yard sign on New Hope Road when you pass it but there's no even sidewalk or

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place for somebody to pull over to even scan that sign. So I don't think that

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the community was well and held and aware of this project. We had

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community members come to the community hold against this project.

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Yeah, so those are my reasons.

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Okay, thank you.

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Next we'll move on to old business and our first item is Z51-24 Fairbanks Road.

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This case was deferred from our June 24th meeting to allow the applicant to address

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a boundary issue. I'll ask staff to provide an update.

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Good

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morning, Erin Klinger again here to give an update on Z51-24.

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The request has been updated because as the boundary, previous boundary line issue has

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been resolved, the request is now to rezone from NX3CU and R10CU to NX3CU.

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The deadline for action is August 28th.

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Again, as a reminder, the proposed conditions would prohibit several uses that would otherwise

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be allowed in NX3CU zoning, limit density to no more than 60 dwelling units, and limit

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off square footage for office and retail to use 65,000 square feet each.

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Other than the current zoning having been updated to reflect the corrected parcel

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boundaries, the case has not changed since it was last heard before the commission.

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The requested zoning is consistent with the neighborhood mixed-use land designation and it is consistent with the comprehensive plan overall.

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Here is a list of policies with which the request is consistent and no policies were found with which it is inconsistent.

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Again the previous boundary line issue has been resolved.

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There are no additional outstanding issues with the request.

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Again, the deadline for action is August 28th and the next meeting is on August 26th.

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Thank you for the update.

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Are there any members of the public who wish to speak either in support or opposition of

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this case?

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Without objection, I will give five minutes to each side.

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I was just going to say, Chair Bennett, Toby Coleman here on behalf of the applicants

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were available for questions if there are any questions.

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Otherwise, we're happy to sit on down.

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Thank you. Bringing it back to the table. Are there any questions or comments from the commissioners?

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If not, I will entertain a motion.

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Motion to approve this case and adopt the proposed Consistency C statement contained in the agenda materials.

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Thank you, Commissioner Miller. Do I have a second?

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Thank you, Commissioner Burnett. Any further discussion?

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Okay, we have a motion to approve. All those in favor?

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All opposed?

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That is 9-0.

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Thank you very much. Our next old business item is Z10-25-8125 Leesville Road. We received

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a full presentation from staff and the applicant and received public comment at our June 24th

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meeting. The case was deferred to allow the applicant to consider additional conditions.

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I'll ask staff for a brief update.

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Good morning. Meet your chef for Adirond here

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We're writing an update on Z1025.

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As a reminder, the request is to rezone just under three acres of land from R4 to R10,

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CU, located at 8125 Leeswell Road.

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Since your last meeting, the applicant has submitted five new conditions, which I'll

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touch on today, and then your deadline for action is August 23rd.

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Just another general overview of where the site is located.

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Conditions 1 through 4 have remained the same since your last PC meeting.

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The first condition is prohibiting a number of uses, otherwise allowed in R10, prohibiting

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the apartment building type, and then conditions 3 and 4 increase the side yard and rear yard

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setbacks to 10 and 30 feet along the southern and western boundaries of the site, and then

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also creating a six foot or requiring the installation of a six foot wall and tree

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buffer along that same boundary, along the Ghostpony Trail sub.

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And then conditions five through nine will be new to you all.

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I will say that these, there's a slight change between this and what's included in the agenda

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materials because of these are the official signed conditions.

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But condition number five exempts the site from block perimeter and dead-end treat requirements

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and the substitute requirements.

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Also requiring a minimum roof pitch of four and 12

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and then also capping residential height at 40 feet.

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And then as well as condition eight,

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requiring the installation of a speed hump

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either within the Ghostpony Trail right away

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or an internal private drive aisle on the development site

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should the development take access

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from the Ghostpony Trail sub.

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And then the final condition is requiring

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hearing at least two of the following materials be included in future residential development

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front facades. Again, the request is consistent with the comprehensive plan and consistent

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with the future land use map designation of moderate-scale residential, a list of consistent

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policies that have remained the same since your last meeting, and only two inconsistent

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policies were identified this week to fire service response time standards. And then

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there are no outstanding issues for the case and your deadline for action is

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August 23rd, which is before your next PC meeting.

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Thank you for the update.

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We received a full presentation from the applicant and public comment at our last meeting.

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But could I see if there's anyone here who wishes to speak on this case?

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I see Mr. Mills.

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Can I see another?

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Without objection, I'll grant five additional minutes to each side.

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We'll start with the applicant and those in support.

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Good

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morning again commissioners, Worth Mills here on behalf of Vibes Fund LLC, the applicant.

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I did want to go over the updated conditions that we've offered since our last meeting.

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We did hold another virtual neighborhood meeting with neighbors on July 29th and shared these

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conditions.

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So first we've extended the rear yard setback from the two adjacent single family homes

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on Ghost Pony from 30 feet to 40 feet so that rear yard setback is now larger than the current

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R4 zoning requires. We've exempted ourselves from the block perimeter requirements which

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is consistent with the exception that we meet in section 8.3.2. We've effectively eliminated

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flat roofs and rooftop living space and we have lowered maximum building height to

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40 feet, both of those are intended to sort of create a more compatible development with

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the Ghostpony Trail neighbors. We've required an installation of a speed hump along the

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extension of Ghostpony Trail in conversations with City of Raleigh Transportation. It's

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become pretty clear that our access to Leesville Road will be from Ghostpony to Country

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trail to Leesville instead of going north through that potential future development at

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8215 Leesville Road.

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So knowing that, we wanted to offer a condition for traffic calming.

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And we've required each home to include at least two building materials into the front

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facade, which is similar to the architectural designs of those homes along Ghostpony

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Trail.

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There are two conditions that, by my error, did not make it into the updated zoning

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conditions. One is a maximum development of 22 units and the second is a condition to

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require no more than six individual town home units within a town home building to help

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with the building massing. I did just want to let the Planning Commission know that

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we would intend to hold this case at City Council when it gets there to offer those

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conditions before the public hearing, and that is 100 percent my mistake.

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I also wanted to show a concept plan that Gary Walston at B&K put together.

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This concept plan shows 17 townhome units with the extension of Ghostpony Trail as

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a private drive looping around the site and then exiting back south.

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each town home would have a garage and a driveway and there are 10 additional

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guest parking spaces in the center. We are showing two stormwater control

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devices on the western boundary of the site. Those would drain into the stream

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that's located on that larger 8215 Leesville Road site. Again the cases

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consistent with the future land use map, the comprehensive plan, we've

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We've offered conditions to increase compatibility with our neighbors along Ghostpony Trail,

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but happy to answer any questions that you have this morning, and we appreciate your

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time.

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Thank you, Mr. Mills.

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Is there anyone else here who wishes to speak in support of the case?

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If not, then we will turn to the opposition.

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You have five minutes as well.

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Please state your name for the record.

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Hi, good morning.

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My name is Eric Cungate.

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I'm the Vice President of the HOA for Westlake Country Trail.

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I want to thank you all for allowing us to speak this morning.

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I'm here to summarize our safety concerns for this rezoning and why we hope you will vote against it today.

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I want to start by saying we're not against development.

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We understand that Raleigh has a housing issue and we're not against development of this property.

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We bought into this neighborhood.

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We understood that we were buying into an early phase of the neighborhood that would be growing into a larger neighborhood

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that would be built cohesively with similar looking homes with systems that work together.

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that was approved by the city in 2017 and you can see here this is the next

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phase of the property this is my home right here so this next property was

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supposed to be six homes which we were actually kind of excited about so now

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there's going to be townhomes there just a few of our to summarize of our

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concerns is adding a town home community in between two sections of

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the neighborhood will create disjointed developments with limited

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ability to solve future issues cohesively there's actually a third

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property that's going to be part of this land area as well, so you'll have three separate

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neighborhoods that aren't really speaking and working together to make sure there's

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no issues down the road.

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Stormwater is another concern.

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The current infrastructure on Ghostpony Trail simply cannot absorb any more runoff from

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this development, especially not in R10.

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The property is uphill, and all the water will be pushed down into a creek which

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currently runs through the back of our properties and the lower part of our community.

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It already crests the banks of the creek when we get heavy rain.

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There's also no clear plan as to how the property stormwater systems will work together

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with the new Winters Hollow, which is the other property, as well as our property.

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So you're looking at three different storm systems that are not working together.

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The couple other of our final concerns is the investor doesn't really have any details

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for price points, number of bedrooms, floor plans, et cetera, because we believe that

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he is not a developer.

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developer. We suspect he is planning to sell the property once re-zoned to another developer,

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which again leaves so many different questions that are still out there. Also, the possibility

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of renters. You know, sometimes renters don't care about the neighborhood quite as much

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as someone who might own the home. And some of their back decks will be backing up

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right up to my house. And our property, which we are worried about renters having

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more parties there because when I was in a town home, I attended the party on

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back decks too. So that's one of our concerns.

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Adrienne Turner, as Commissioner Bennett noted during the last meeting traffic in the Leesville

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area is a huge concern. This is a three school campus that serves more than 4,000 students

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all on two lane roads. We have a street with a lot of blind turns. It is uphill.

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hill. It is not flat. It's hard to tell from these pictures. This is an uphill neighborhood.

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This is also a neighborhood yield street. So parking is a huge concern. We have asked for

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a condition of two car garages.

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Or covenants. This street cannot handle the parking that will happen from all of these town

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homes.

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Hi, Marianne Hungate. And final minute, I'm going to just show you some photos so that

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you can see some of the impact of the stormwater issues that we're having today. And nothing

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has been cleared yet. There will be not one, but two properties bordering our street.

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And the solution is to use a small stream.

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The wrong way.

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I'm just going to show you what that stream looks like today after a rain event.

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And as everyone knows, these rain events are becoming more and more frequent as time goes by.

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And this is the solution that was just presented for the stormwater.

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Is this little tiny creek for, again, not one, but two proposed developments?

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and we do not consider this to be a solution, we are concerned that it will run down the

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street and flood our properties.

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Kyle Smith, I live on Ghostpony Trail.

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We have a couple additional slides showing traffic concerns, which largely speak for

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themselves.

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It's heavily trafficked, low visibility, high frequency of accidents, and so increasing

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density of traffic with no plan to mitigate the safety concerns is dangerous and unreasonable.

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And I think I'll just wrap up by saying much has been made of the fact that the future

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land use map contemplates that this would eventually be R10 zoning.

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But what's lost in that discussion is the fact that the current zoning map and the

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future land use map contemplate that our neighborhood and the two adjoining parcels

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will share a zoning.

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And so eventually, yes, these three parcels together may be re-zoned, but it's not

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reasonable to kind of do a piecemeal and abandon the original plan for a cohesive community

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of 30 to 35 neighborhoods just for density for density's sake. So thank you for your

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consideration and absent any questions. We'll turn it back to the commission.

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Thank you.

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Okay, commissioners, we'll bring it back to the table for your questions

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and comments.

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Commissioner Burnett.

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For the applicant, my question is, I mean, they've made a really compelling case

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regarding just like the stormwater runoff.

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It seems like it's going to be a really big problem.

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I was just looking at it on Google Maps,

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and I actually used to go to Leesville.

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So I remember how far that slopes downward.

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You have any information from the site survey

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about how far that slopes down, et cetera, et cetera?

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Yeah, I'm going to have David Blevins, one of our engineers

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with BNK, walk through the stormwater.

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Good morning.

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My name is David Blevins.

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I'm an engineer with Bass, Nixon, Kennedy, 6310 Chapel Hill Road, Raleigh, 27607.

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I just did a, of course I did a brief analysis of the stormwater, but the topographic condition

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of this property is such that the runoff naturally goes to the back of the property

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from Leesville Road to the back.

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back. We can't change that. That's just the way the property was made. And of course the

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stream is at the back. And so I looked at the, I did just an analysis of the impervious

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area of the layout that Gary did. And then I did an analysis, just looked at the impervious

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area of a six-lot residential development, just similar to what was shown and put 38%

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impervious for, which is the allowable for single family R4.

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And there was about 1,700 square feet more impervious area for the townhomes.

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So in the world of stormwater for us, that's really a very, very manageable number.

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It really doesn't, it doesn't, it's something that we can easily manage, so, but yeah, that's,

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our, we will not be running any stormwater into there, into ghost pony trails,

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existing stormwater system at all that will be impacting there. All of our

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stormwater has to stand alone in whatever stormwater devices we create to

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manage both water quality and quantity.

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Thank you.

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Commissioner Cochran. I

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actually have another question about the stormwater. In your analysis you said

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Did you base it on the 17 units shown, but you're asking for a condition for 22 units?

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So that 17% increases based on 17 units, not 22, correct?

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Yes, correct.

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Commissioner Atwell.

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I was wondering if we could get Raleigh Stormwater to comment on the difference in regulations

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that would be required for stormwater control between the two requested zonings and the

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potential impact to the system.

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Good

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morning, Sally Hoey, Raleigh Stormwater. Given the size of this parcel, the zoning

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does not matter.

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Because this parcel is greater than an acre, the full stormwater requirements

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apply, so there is no prescribed amount of impervious area. They just have to provide

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the treatment associated with the impervious area. Does that address your

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question? I think it does and if you could refresh my memory the current rules

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require that the development show no exceed, no excess, no increase in the

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amount of runoff from the site from current conditions. That's correct.

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There's two main components of the stormwater regulation. One is aimed at

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the quantity of water and that looks at the two and ten year design storms which is like

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the tenure is about I think 5.7 inches of rainfall and so it looks at the rate of flow coming

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off the site, the rate cannot increase. So if there was a pipe that was able to convey

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that flow under existing conditions or a stream that was able to contain it then it would

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continue to be able to contain it. Then the second component is about water

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quality and specifically because of the impairments in the new watershed for

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nutrients it looks at the amount of nitrogen so they would have to do some

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sort of treatment for nitrogen it would depend on the density of the site

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whether they had to provide on-site controls for that or could do by

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mitigation credits.

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And one follow-up, I realize this is out of your purview. I

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understand the city is taking over flood mapping responsibilities from FEMA and

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will be doing their own mapping on a more detailed scale. The site currently

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is not part of a regulatory floodplain nor is any part of Ghostpony Trail but

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there are flood prone soils located along the creek. Do we know if the

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city plans to expand the flood mapping modeling to this site or is there

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somewhere we can look for that? We are planning to expand flood plan mapping

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but actually that I can't give you a timeline on but in the changes we made

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to the UDO last fall there's a requirement that if there's flood

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soils or even if there's not flood soils, if there's a certain acreage of drainage area to a stream,

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the flood boundaries have to be mapped. So five acres, if there's flood soils, 25 acres, if there's

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not flood soils, requires some type of flood mapping. So it appears that would be required.

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I haven't calculated the drainage area, but there would likely be something done in this

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project. Thank you very much. Mr. Miller. Thank you and Sally just to double

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check that I heard you correctly. Did you say that whether regardless whether

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the development occurred under the current zoning or the proposed zoning

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that the stormwater controls with respect to impervious service would be

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the same either way? That's correct. It's only for parcels less than an

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acre where the the limits in the UDO apply so because this park is full is

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over an acre it it those limits do not apply thank you

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Commissioner McCoy I have a question to the gentleman that came up to talk

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about stormwater I know that I mean we've heard definitely that that's

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like one of the major issues of this site and I do hear you saying we'll

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do what we have to do but I'm wondering what specifically you have in mind to do

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to maintain the stormwater and then to also make sure that when future

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development comes it is able to be adaptable. Well we as Sally mentioned

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we'll have to meet all the requirements that Raleigh has for the two and two

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and ten year storms. Whenever you do stormwater detention for the ten year

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storm, you're actually doing the tension for a good portion of the 25-year

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storm, maybe 30 percent or so. So we won't know exactly what type of device

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we're going to use, but we will have to use a combination of something that

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would be water quality, like a bioretention basin. And then on top of that, we might

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store use storage for flooding to store some water on top of that. And so, you know, on

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a small site like this, I've done a lot of commercial sites. They're fairly simple

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to do and I think in the amount of area that we had left shown on Gary's sketch there,

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we had ample area to provide storage, you know, room for both devices, types of devices.

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And are you all intending to use the creek that they're mentioning as a measure of easing

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stormwater distribution?

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Well, that's where the storm water is going now.

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We don't have any other place to take it.

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The topographic configuration of the property takes all of the drainage to the back of the property.

453
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:15,260
If we took it somewhere else, we would, if there was another opportunity to take it somewhere

454
00:42:15,260 --> 00:42:21,960
else, we would actually be violating the rules by diverting it from where it's naturally

455
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,000
going to where it's not naturally going.

456
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,820
So we have to take it to the area where it's naturally going.

457
00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:37,900
Do you plan on enhancing the creek to be able to, because I mean, I see it's called

458
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:41,940
the creek but you know it's kind of tiny do you plan on enhancing that in any way

459
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:46,480
to be able to maintain extra storm water drain off? Well the creek is not

460
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,240
actually on our property so we don't have any plans to do anything to the

461
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,560
creek because we don't have access to the property there is a development the

462
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:03,900
winners hollow is a subdivision that is in the process now it is one that is

463
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:10,760
a subdivision that will not be before the planning commission, it's just a staff-approved

464
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:23,100
subdivision and they have some plans for stormwater on their property as well, but we can't get

465
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,120
back there and do anything with the creek because it's not our property.

466
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:27,660
Thank you.

467
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:28,180
You're welcome.

468
00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:28,920
Commissioner Fox.

469
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,400
May I follow up on that just really quickly?

470
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:38,020
So if I was understanding the sorts of back-to-the-property, you have either retention or detention proposed.

471
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:46,280
You have a stormwater device proposed on the property, which would slow flow to the stream.

472
00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:47,740
That's correct?

473
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:48,200
Okay.

474
00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:49,100
Thank you.

475
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:59,940
So, the intent of that is likely to create a condition where the stream can adequately

476
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,100
convey that water?

477
00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:02,840
Is that correct?

478
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,040
Well, correct.

479
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:04,560
Okay.

480
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:11,040
For the design storms that Sally mentioned, for the two and ten-year storms, and then

481
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,500
for a good portion of the 25-year-old.

482
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:13,780
Thank you.

483
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:14,740
That helps.

484
00:44:17,980 --> 00:44:22,760
The gray shaded areas on the screen are those for stormwater retention.

485
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:23,820
Thank you.

486
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,040
The green is the amenity area.

487
00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:33,910
That's required for a town home.

488
00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:34,630
Are the two gray areas?

489
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:48,170
We're laughing up that we can't see.

490
00:44:48,430 --> 00:44:49,190
We're all getting older.

491
00:44:50,730 --> 00:44:52,170
It's not shaded very well.

492
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:55,830
Sally, could I ask you a question again, please?

493
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,280
Specifically addressing the concerns that we heard from the public. And one of them was that

494
00:45:09,140 --> 00:45:17,120
there are going to be three different stormwater systems that aren't working together. Do you

495
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,820
share that concern or is there some sort of cumulative impact assessment that would need

496
00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:27,520
to be done to ensure that they are in fact working together or is that not a concern?

497
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:38,500
I mean, I don't have a large concern because each development will be held to the standards.

498
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:46,960
I would see more of a concern from a, if I were a homeowner from an operation and maintenance

499
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,280
standpoint that if there's more stormwater control measures, there'd be more things

500
00:45:52,280 --> 00:46:00,500
to maintain that sort of thing. But from the city standpoint in terms of the functionality,

501
00:46:01,540 --> 00:46:05,660
I think it's possible for them to operate independently.

502
00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:11,940
Okay. Thank you. Are there any other questions or comments about stormwater?

503
00:46:14,770 --> 00:46:16,070
Okay. Commissioner

504
00:46:16,070 --> 00:46:16,430
Atwell.

505
00:46:16,830 --> 00:46:20,330
Thank you, Chair Bennet. I note that the property that contains the creek is owned

506
00:46:20,330 --> 00:46:25,790
by the Church of Latter-day Saints as the city received any feedback or engagement from

507
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:26,290
the church?

508
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:38,250
That site is currently undergoing like subdivision insight plan review and then has like indicated

509
00:46:38,250 --> 00:46:41,350
that they're applying for annexation currently.

510
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:46,190
So you're reaching for your mic?

511
00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:48,680
Yes.

512
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:49,200
Thank you.

513
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:56,080
I acknowledge there are likely some stormwater concerns there.

514
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:03,660
I'm comfortable and confident that the code can actually handle that if it's

515
00:47:03,660 --> 00:47:08,680
built to standard. The only inconsistency I'm actually finding when going through

516
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:14,700
the staff report is related to response times and I know we've had

517
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:17,980
that come up a number of times. I was wondering,

518
00:47:19,180 --> 00:47:26,320
Bynum, could you remind me the study that, I believe, Fire Department was undergoing?

519
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:27,460
Sure.

520
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:36,260
So City Council saw the Fire Department Master Plan before the break, and that document prioritizes

521
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:37,700
some new stations.

522
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:40,080
I don't remember that there was one in this vicinity.

523
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:40,700
Okay.

524
00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:41,340
Thank you.

525
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,620
But I would also note that, thank

526
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:51,930
you.

527
00:47:53,330 --> 00:47:59,690
regarding traffic. So I did mention at the last meeting that all three of my

528
00:47:59,690 --> 00:48:04,450
all three of my kids, both of my kids, I just got a ghost kid from somewhere, both

529
00:48:04,450 --> 00:48:10,510
of my kids went to all three of the Leesville schools there so I've been

530
00:48:10,510 --> 00:48:17,530
driving that area for many many years and I was actually on the community

531
00:48:17,530 --> 00:48:24,170
task force that worked with the city to get grant funding to do the bike and

532
00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:30,410
ped improvements that are on Country Trail and Pride Way after a student was

533
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:37,430
hit. So I'm aware of there's a lot of traffic. There was also a plan at some

534
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:44,170
point to widen Leesville and that stretch of Leesville was has not been

535
00:48:44,170 --> 00:48:53,790
widen. I'm wondering if transportation staff can tell us is that in the queue to widen that

536
00:48:53,790 --> 00:48:55,350
stretch of Leesville?

537
00:49:02,430 --> 00:49:05,290
Good morning Planning Commission. Carter Robertson with transportation.

538
00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:14,150
So Leesville was evaluated as part of the last bond in 2017 to be widened. It ultimately wasn't

539
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:18,230
selected at that time. It didn't rank as high as some of the others that were chosen.

540
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:24,650
right now there's no current plans to widen it that might be evaluated as

541
00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:29,830
part of a future bond opportunity we do know there now that it is reaching

542
00:49:29,830 --> 00:49:35,710
capacity as a two-lane road and the future destination would accommodate

543
00:49:35,710 --> 00:49:42,050
for the current volume set of four lane okay but this project did not warrant

544
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:49,610
TIA is that correct? No ma'am. Okay. Commissioner Atwell. Could you comment on

545
00:49:49,610 --> 00:49:53,190
the public engagement process for the Leesville Road widening project? Do you

546
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:58,370
remember what the outcome of that was? I'm not familiar. I wasn't at the city at

547
00:49:58,370 --> 00:50:01,790
this time. Thank you.

548
00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:10,480
I do recall many years ago when the entire stretch of

549
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,380
Leesville was being considered to be widened there was some

550
00:50:15,380 --> 00:50:20,460
opposition from the Springdale neighborhood about widening in that particular area.

551
00:50:21,220 --> 00:50:27,960
So I don't know this for a fact, but my guess is that part probably moved down in ranking

552
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:32,720
because there was an opposition for the other part of Leesville, which is near widened,

553
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,340
which is the part I live off of.

554
00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:40,840
Any other questions or comments from commissioners?

555
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:46,650
If not, I will entertain a motion.

556
00:50:47,890 --> 00:50:48,630
Commissioner Miller.

557
00:50:49,370 --> 00:50:53,570
I wanted to address the applicant mentioned that there are two conditions that did not

558
00:50:53,570 --> 00:50:54,510
make it into this case.

559
00:50:56,730 --> 00:51:00,710
And I wanted to also address the conditions that were added and thank the applicant for

560
00:51:00,710 --> 00:51:06,350
those conditions related to the speed humps and traffic calming.

561
00:51:07,770 --> 00:51:13,930
And additionally, it seems that they went above and beyond what we typically see when

562
00:51:13,930 --> 00:51:19,570
And you add townhouses to a residential development in terms of managing their appearance.

563
00:51:20,850 --> 00:51:25,550
The two conditions that did not make it in, but the applicant intends to hold, again,

564
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:28,270
those two conditions were a maximum development of 22 units.

565
00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:34,170
And then the other is to require no more than six individual townhomes per unit to

566
00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:36,270
avoid to address massing.

567
00:51:36,590 --> 00:51:43,490
Those two, while the developer is willing to offer them, likely to address concerns

568
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:47,630
from the neighbors. I don't see those as so critical to this case. I think it's still consistent

569
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:52,130
with the comprehensive plan without those two requirements that I'm comfortable making a motion

570
00:51:52,130 --> 00:52:01,330
to recommend approval of this case and also recognize that two additional conditions will

571
00:52:01,330 --> 00:52:06,150
be added before council. Thank you, Commissioner Miller. We have a motion to approve to have

572
00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:14,910
second.

573
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:22,330
Commissioner O'Haver has seconded it. Do we have any additional discussion?

574
00:52:23,950 --> 00:52:28,410
I would just like to follow up on Commissioner Miller's comments. I do appreciate the applicant

575
00:52:29,230 --> 00:52:33,970
increasing the setback. I think that was one of my comments and anybody that attends these

576
00:52:33,970 --> 00:52:38,090
meetings regularly know that as part of my focus is existing single family homes.

577
00:52:38,370 --> 00:52:40,350
So I want to thank the applicant for that.

578
00:52:40,610 --> 00:52:43,310
I appreciate the height max, number of units,

579
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:47,510
no more than six years again looking at the scale of the development.

580
00:52:48,430 --> 00:52:49,890
I hear the stormwater concerns.

581
00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:52,430
I'm looking at Google Maps.

582
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:56,430
There's a lot of asphalt out there, a lot of concrete out there in those

583
00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:57,690
existing homes a lot.

584
00:52:58,410 --> 00:53:02,870
Looking at the concept plan, I just don't see the applicant

585
00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:08,710
must meet the city standards. I just don't see the storm water getting worse. I

586
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:12,890
just want to say I hear the neighbors concerns but knowing what I know about

587
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:17,370
storm water and looking at existing conditions I'm comfortable seconding and

588
00:53:17,370 --> 00:53:22,750
approving this application. Thank you Commissioner Haver. Any other

589
00:53:22,750 --> 00:53:29,990
discussion? All those in favor? All opposed. That's nine zero.

590
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:34,490
Thank you very

591
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:34,870
very much.

592
00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:38,640
Moving on to new business,

593
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:44,840
we'll give the members of the public an opportunity

594
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,380
to get situated.

595
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:05,060
We have rezoning Z-1225 Peace and West Street. We'll turn to Mr. Clem for

596
00:54:05,060 --> 00:54:05,880
a full presentation.

597
00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:11,150
Good morning Planning Commission. Matthew

598
00:54:11,150 --> 00:54:17,410
Clem, Raleigh Planning and Development. Here to present Z-1225 for your review today.

599
00:54:17,410 --> 00:54:25,670
The request is to rezone 2.6 acres from industrial mix use for the 12-story height limit to downtown

600
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:31,630
mix use with a 30-story height limit, an urban general frontage, and zoning conditions.

601
00:54:31,870 --> 00:54:35,550
Your deadline for action is October 11th.

602
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:38,370
Just a quick look at the zoning map here.

603
00:54:39,370 --> 00:54:43,890
Doning in the area is predominantly industrial mix use, as the site is

604
00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:49,910
zoned, and downtown mix use to the south, which is the burgundy color on the

605
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:56,790
screen. The northwest of the map is residential tin, including the Glenwood

606
00:54:56,790 --> 00:55:01,730
Brooklyn Streetside Historic Overlay District. Along P Street there's

607
00:55:01,730 --> 00:55:05,650
also some neighborhood mix use and commercial mix use as well.

608
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:08,080
An aerial

609
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:14,400
view of the site. You can see that the property fronts West Street MP streets highlighted in yellow.

610
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:22,720
It's adjacent to a 14 acre site that will be the home of Smoky Hollow Park.

611
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:30,100
So a new large future park in the area. Again, Glenwood Brooklyn to the west.

612
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:35,840
You can see Smoky Hollow to the south. Capitol Boulevard cuts the map in half as well. Also

613
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:45,620
to the east seaboard station. This is just a 3D view of the site, trying to highlight

614
00:55:45,620 --> 00:55:54,560
the difference in topography along the property between the future city park and the site,

615
00:55:56,100 --> 00:56:01,100
and also just a sense of what other buildings in the area are in terms of scale. So looking

616
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:07,720
Looking at the site, this is from P Street, some existing structures there, and this is

617
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:10,340
from West Street, two shots there.

618
00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:17,080
The number of zoning conditions, the first prohibits high-intensity uses, they're listed

619
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:17,360
there.

620
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:26,500
The second is related to building height, and there is an associated exhibit that

621
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:27,500
is on our future slide.

622
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:38,080
but the site is broken into two zones. Zone one is limited to 240 feet or 25

623
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:44,580
stories. There's more detail on the exhibit slide. Zone two is limited to

624
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:51,180
360 feet. Each of those zones have an additional 20 feet of building height

625
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:56,420
depending on what the primary street is determined to be during site plan.

626
00:56:56,420 --> 00:56:59,940
And we can talk a little bit about that if there are questions.

627
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:10,640
Condition number three addresses parking deck screening, condition four, five, and six are

628
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:17,840
related to development of the property's edge to the east where the location of Smoky

629
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:18,800
Hollow Park is planned.

630
00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:24,540
So there's a condition that prohibits surface parking between the park and the property,

631
00:57:24,540 --> 00:57:29,120
property, the future parking the property. There's a zoning condition that requires pedestrian

632
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:38,260
connectivity from the rezoning site to that property and requires a urban plaza to be

633
00:57:38,260 --> 00:57:44,580
built as an amenity area adjacent to the park there as well. Office uses are limited

634
00:57:44,580 --> 00:57:52,760
to 500,000 square feet in any development. And then the final condition is a contribution

635
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:58,080
to the city's affordable housing fund prior to the issuance of the fifth

636
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:03,560
hundred unit for certificate of occupancy. So what that means is if the

637
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:09,140
property is developed with 499 residential units no contribution to

638
00:58:09,140 --> 00:58:14,940
the affordable housing fund is made, if 500 or more are developed on the site

639
00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:20,620
then a $1.2 million contribution is made. So there's not a guarantee that

640
00:58:20,620 --> 00:58:28,700
the money would be given to the city for affordable housing unless more than 499 units are built.

641
00:58:28,860 --> 00:58:33,900
So this is the zoning condition exhibit regarding building height.

642
00:58:35,780 --> 00:58:39,120
So this is the property of P Street is here, West Street is here.

643
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:43,060
And this is where the split is.

644
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:49,000
So for zone one on the northern portion of the rezoning site, building height is limited

645
00:58:49,000 --> 00:59:00,440
it to 25 stories or limited to 240 feet in height. If at-site plan, P Street is determined

646
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:08,180
to be the primary street, the 240 feet building height limit is actually 260 feet. Similarly

647
00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:17,580
for zone 2 towards the south, if the exhibit limits building height to 360 feet, but

648
00:59:17,580 --> 00:59:22,340
And if P Street is determined to be the primary street, it's actually 380 feet.

649
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,300
So there's some variation in development outcomes based on the zoning exhibit.

650
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:36,860
Just to try to map where that line is on the aerial view of the site, it's roughly located

651
00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:37,300
in this.

652
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,940
This is not a surveyed map, but generally in that location.

653
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:49,480
Looking at the proposed development intensity based on existing zoning and proposed zoning,

654
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:56,680
You can see that the estimated residential yield increases...

655
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,700
The office square footage goes down based on the zoning condition. So less office could be

656
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:12,860
built under the proposed zoning than the existing zoning. And that has implications to traffic

657
01:00:12,860 --> 01:00:21,320
counts during AM and PM peak hours. So the office use is one of the higher trip-generating uses.

658
01:00:22,020 --> 01:00:27,320
So by reducing office below this threshold, the intent is that it would produce fewer

659
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:34,920
trips compared to the existing zoning. Retail slightly goes up. And then of course, 92,000

660
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:39,140
square feet are estimated to be able to be delivered under the existing zoning. The future

661
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:49,360
zoning takes all industrial uses out of a development option. So by going from the

662
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:54,560
industrial mixed use to the downtown mixed use, light industrial uses are not permitted

663
01:00:54,560 --> 01:01:00,400
on the site. So in terms of transportation and energy analysis, the site has a higher

664
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:07,840
walk score, transit score, and bike score in the city average. The site is about a 20-minute

665
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:13,680
walk from this room. So if you're living there, you can walk here in 20 minutes or an 8-minute

666
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:19,400
bike ride. The site is served by the R line currently that is a frequent transit

667
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:27,960
service that has a 15-minute frequency. It can also bring you downtown or to your work

668
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:33,380
or wherever you're going. Higher transportation cost index than average. So what that means

669
01:01:33,380 --> 01:01:41,520
is folks who live in areas with higher transportation cost indexes spend less money on transportation

670
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:46,880
costs because they have these other options, walking, biking, or taking transit. Or simply

671
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,700
If they choose to drive, they're driving shorter distances, putting less miles in their

672
01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:52,720
car, requiring less maintenance over time.

673
01:01:53,860 --> 01:01:56,480
Transportation costs in the area are low.

674
01:01:58,220 --> 01:02:06,540
And the high job proximity index is related to the adjacency and inclusion in the downtown

675
01:02:06,540 --> 01:02:10,660
area, which is a high employment area for the city.

676
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:16,520
So the site is served by several existing bus services, 1, 2, 6, 12 and the R line.

677
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:17,540
you can see the site here.

678
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:28,780
The request would add to the housing supply. It does not include subsidized

679
01:02:28,780 --> 01:02:34,520
units. Discussed earlier the contribution to the affordable housing fund if more than 499

680
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:40,140
units are built. It does permit a variety of housing types, smaller units in the apartment type

681
01:02:40,140 --> 01:02:48,480
building. Again, we include walking distance of transit and the affordability analysis because

682
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,680
because the cost of living is not just the cost for your housing, it is also the amount

683
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,140
of money that you spend on transportation.

684
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,900
So if you live in an area where you can spend less money on transportation, it means you

685
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:00,880
have more money for other things.

686
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:08,290
So affordability relies on transportation as well as the point.

687
01:03:09,810 --> 01:03:16,550
In terms of land use history, the property was platted into the city in 1885 and

688
01:03:16,550 --> 01:03:18,290
annexed in the early 20th century.

689
01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:27,230
The original deeds granted by the greater Raleigh Land

690
01:03:27,230 --> 01:03:32,730
Company in Glendalewood Subdivision prohibited occupation by persons of color. So there are

691
01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:39,230
historic incidents in the area of racial segregation. And also the 1960 Smoky Hollow

692
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:46,870
redevelopment plan, an urban renewal project displaced a community and neighborhood of,

693
01:03:47,850 --> 01:03:54,270
according to a News and Observer article from 1960, 165 families from the Smoky Hollow neighborhood

694
01:03:54,910 --> 01:04:01,710
for the purposes of widening the street, the seaboard, underpass, and providing off-street

695
01:04:01,710 --> 01:04:02,250
car parking.

696
01:04:05,580 --> 01:04:07,500
The request is consistent with the Futureland

697
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:14,200
use map. This is the future land use map on the right side of the screen. The future

698
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:20,980
land use map designation is central business district, which is the maroon color. You can

699
01:04:20,980 --> 01:04:24,960
also see adjacent to our public park planning.

700
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,700
The request is also consistent with the urban

701
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:40,180
form map. The urban form map functions to recommend certain frontage types. So the urban

702
01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:46,600
general frontage is consistent with that. This slide and map say a lot more about the case

703
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:52,840
other than just the frontage as well. We know that building height is the primary

704
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:57,840
issue under consideration here. We know that from hearing and working and speaking

705
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:06,480
with the community. That building height is the issue to be considered. Recommended building

706
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:14,500
heights in the comprehensive plan come from a table called LU2 recommended building heights.

707
01:05:15,180 --> 01:05:20,720
And that table functions with the future land use map in different contexts in the city

708
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,980
to provide recommended building heights. There are essentially two qualifying criteria

709
01:05:25,980 --> 01:05:33,900
criteria for what is called the core transit designation on that table. One criteria is

710
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:39,980
being cited on a corridor that is planned or programmed for frequent transit. The site

711
01:05:39,980 --> 01:05:45,640
is currently served by frequent transit with the R line service. So it qualifies for the

712
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:52,520
transit aspect of the core transit designation. The other aspect of the core transit designation

713
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:58,900
is being in the core of a mixed-use center of 30 acres or greater. You can see

714
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:04,550
that the site is contained in downtown. The site is contained in the bus rapid

715
01:06:04,550 --> 01:06:08,070
transit area which is shown on the map and beyond the bus rapid transit area

716
01:06:08,070 --> 01:06:14,230
is the frequent transit area. So taken together this is in the core of those

717
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:21,070
districts. The downtown designation on the urban form map follows the

718
01:06:21,070 --> 01:06:27,710
boundaries of downtown. The bus rapid transit area is within a quarter mile of

719
01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:34,130
corridors planned for bus rapid transit. So in this case would be capital

720
01:06:34,130 --> 01:06:42,050
Boulevard for the capital Boulevard North Study. This distance is roughly

721
01:06:42,050 --> 01:06:48,010
half a mile. And then beyond that the frequent transit area is a half mile

722
01:06:48,010 --> 01:06:54,290
from Capital Boulevard. So the site is core transit by the qualifying

723
01:06:54,290 --> 01:06:58,350
conditions of being currently served by transit, the R lines, the frequent transit

724
01:06:58,350 --> 01:07:03,790
service, and within a mixed-use center 30 acres or greater. The request is

725
01:07:03,790 --> 01:07:08,250
consistent with the future land use map and the urban form map. There are a

726
01:07:08,250 --> 01:07:11,810
number of policies that the request is consistent with in the comprehensive

727
01:07:11,810 --> 01:07:17,890
plan, capitalizing on transit access, station area land uses related to the

728
01:07:17,890 --> 01:07:21,990
bus rapid transit planning in the area, compact development, healthy communities.

729
01:07:23,490 --> 01:07:27,770
Being in the location that it is, folks are more likely to walk, bike, or take

730
01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:36,420
transit, active mobility to satisfy transportation needs. And so walking and

731
01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:42,400
biking, living next to a park, those are healthy things for folks to do.

732
01:07:45,060 --> 01:07:50,620
station area recommended heights. So there is a planned bus rapid transit

733
01:07:50,620 --> 01:07:57,040
station in the area. We have transit staff to talk particularly about where

734
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:02,300
that transit station will be located. At the time that the current urban form

735
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:06,860
map was adopted the transit station location was at the corner of West and

736
01:08:06,860 --> 01:08:12,260
Johnson Street. That's also reflected on the urban form map with the quarter

737
01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:19,020
mile buffer for the BRT transit station. The current planning and location for the

738
01:08:19,020 --> 01:08:24,840
that transit station has moved a few blocks to the east and is now planned

739
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:32,880
to be located on Capitol Boulevard and between Peace and Johnson. And so the

740
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:38,970
site is within a quarter mile of that area as well. Downtown edges and

741
01:08:38,970 --> 01:08:39,750
downtown transitions.

742
01:08:42,150 --> 01:08:46,150
The zoning conditions provided by the applicant

743
01:08:46,150 --> 01:08:54,930
to limit building height in feet transitions the mass

744
01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:59,790
of the sites down to the other lower slung development

745
01:08:59,790 --> 01:09:00,570
in the area.

746
01:09:02,530 --> 01:09:03,370
And

747
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:09,370
again, downtown for high density

748
01:09:09,370 --> 01:09:11,910
for all the reasons of walkability and job access

749
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:19,430
transit access are consistent. There are no inconsistent policies identified for

750
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:23,470
the rezoning request. There are no outstanding issues and your deadline

751
01:09:23,470 --> 01:09:28,070
for action is October 11th. The applicants are here. They'll give their

752
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:33,090
presentation and we can answer your questions following that. Thank you,

753
01:09:33,170 --> 01:09:38,010
Matt. Next we'll turn to public comment. The applicant and those in

754
01:09:38,010 --> 01:09:39,470
support. We'll have 10 minutes.

755
01:09:50,850 --> 01:09:52,490
Good morning, Chair, members of the Planning

756
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:55,710
Commission, Jason Barenworth, Morningstar Law Group. Excited to be here today on

757
01:09:55,710 --> 01:09:59,390
behalf of Rally Development Company, who's the proposed developer of this site.

758
01:09:59,930 --> 01:10:03,210
I really want to hit on a handful of high points associated with the case. I

759
01:10:03,210 --> 01:10:05,890
think the staff report and the staff's presentation has really done an

760
01:10:05,890 --> 01:10:09,030
excellent job of analyzing the applicability of the comprehensive

761
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:11,690
plan. And I'm going to talk on a couple of things associated with that,

762
01:10:11,810 --> 01:10:16,070
but really there are three overarching themes related to this case. First,

763
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:20,250
it's the right use in the right location. That's what we're always trying to do with respect to

764
01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:24,890
when we're rezoning and when we want development to go into a place, is it the right use in

765
01:10:24,890 --> 01:10:29,710
the right location? And we submit that this is second, as was mentioned in the staff presentation

766
01:10:29,710 --> 01:10:36,830
and the staff support plan, there is no doubt that this case is consistent with the comprehensive

767
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:40,330
plan. Unfortunately, there's a lot of misinformation that's out in the public

768
01:10:41,150 --> 01:10:45,070
related to comprehensive plan policies that speak to this case, but there can be no

769
01:10:45,070 --> 01:10:49,610
mistake that this case is consistent with the city's adopted comprehensive plan.

770
01:10:50,130 --> 01:10:51,910
And third, we have appropriate transitions.

771
01:10:52,250 --> 01:10:56,730
This case is actually providing the types of transitions that will ensure that there

772
01:10:56,730 --> 01:11:02,210
is context-sensitive transitions to existing neighborhoods while also maintaining the integrity

773
01:11:02,210 --> 01:11:06,730
of the comprehensive plan that is so important to making sure that Raleigh can continue

774
01:11:06,730 --> 01:11:10,790
to grow and continue to grow in a way that discourages sprawl and encourages

775
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:13,950
the type of infill development that we're looking at in this case.

776
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:18,030
And so, a little bit about the right use and the right location.

777
01:11:18,170 --> 01:11:19,790
I do want to highlight a handful of things.

778
01:11:19,930 --> 01:11:22,430
This is a layout that we have in our presentation.

779
01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:25,590
This is the current planning associated with the development.

780
01:11:26,730 --> 01:11:30,890
This is the site kind of in this location here if you can follow my cursor.

781
01:11:32,890 --> 01:11:36,870
And as was mentioned, what we have proposed, what the applicant has proposed,

782
01:11:37,150 --> 01:11:40,250
is a step down from 30 stories to 25 stories.

783
01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:44,630
In addition to that, there are height restrictions associated with that to ensure that nothing

784
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:50,570
greater than 360 feet will be developed adjacent to P Street and nothing greater than 240 feet

785
01:11:50,570 --> 01:11:54,970
will be developed along the northern portion of the site. Again, trying to provide those

786
01:11:54,970 --> 01:12:00,650
appropriate transitions. As we all know, the city is investing a lot of money in Smokey

787
01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:04,570
Hollow Park. It's going to be a tremendous amenity to this development. A lot of planning

788
01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:09,390
has gone into this site by Raleigh Development Company to make sure that when this site

789
01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:13,870
develops, it appropriately addresses and embraces the park. As a critical

790
01:12:13,870 --> 01:12:17,390
amenity, a critical feature in ensuring that folks who live here, folks who are

791
01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:21,190
going to be dining here have great access to that park. Additionally, as

792
01:12:21,190 --> 01:12:25,790
you're aware, across the street is Publix. I live in downtown Raleigh. Having

793
01:12:25,790 --> 01:12:30,470
walking availability to groceries is an incredible amenity to a site like

794
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:33,990
this. Again, it's where you want to put people. It discourages auto

795
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:37,550
dependency. It gets people out. They're allowed to walk and that a lot of

796
01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:38,450
that's already happening.

797
01:12:38,830 --> 01:12:40,730
And this is why we think density is appropriate

798
01:12:40,730 --> 01:12:41,450
in this location.

799
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:44,450
It's also walkable to a lot of the other amenities

800
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:46,090
that are developing in this area.

801
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:49,710
And finally, as was mentioned, related to future transit,

802
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:51,110
there's existing transit stops.

803
01:12:51,330 --> 01:12:53,970
It's in a frequent transit area as of today

804
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:56,270
with the bus routes, the multitude of bus routes

805
01:12:56,270 --> 01:12:57,430
within proximity to the site.

806
01:12:57,590 --> 01:13:00,190
And there's future plan transit in this area

807
01:13:00,190 --> 01:13:01,970
that we believe all of those things

808
01:13:01,970 --> 01:13:03,030
kind of coming together.

809
01:13:03,290 --> 01:13:06,330
It's really incumbent upon achieving the goals

810
01:13:06,330 --> 01:13:11,030
of the comprehensive plan. With respect to the comprehensive plan, and so this is just

811
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:15,050
a little bit more of the urban place making that's being provided. This is that break

812
01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:20,710
in the building, so this is kind of facing south. This is the larger 30 story portion,

813
01:13:21,170 --> 01:13:26,590
and then the 25 story portion here, and then this does a little bit job of kind of giving

814
01:13:26,590 --> 01:13:29,790
you a little bit of the scale. And so this is the current thinking, the current planning

815
01:13:29,790 --> 01:13:34,490
associated with this site, and this is the building up along peace. They're currently

816
01:13:34,490 --> 01:13:39,170
planning for a break in the building with this pedestrian promenade and a featured stair

817
01:13:39,170 --> 01:13:44,790
and you can again you can see the way that the park is really being embraced by this development.

818
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:49,310
They're being very very intentional about making sure that what gets developed here

819
01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:54,210
is highly complementary to what the city is doing with the park. I'm going to move through

820
01:13:54,210 --> 01:13:58,110
the comprehensive plan as quickly as possible recognizing we don't have a lot of time and

821
01:13:58,110 --> 01:14:01,870
I've got a couple other speakers but there is no doubt it's in the central business

822
01:14:01,870 --> 01:14:07,090
district, it's in the downtown center area, it's in a transit station area. All of these

823
01:14:07,090 --> 01:14:11,430
things speak directly to the fact that this is where the Comprehensive Plan is already

824
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:15,850
calling for density. In fact, if you look at those Comprehensive Plan maps, those Comprehensive

825
01:14:15,850 --> 01:14:21,290
Plan maps call for up to potentially 40 stories. And again, why we believe this is appropriately

826
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:25,470
transitioned because instead of asking for 40 stories, which is across the street,

827
01:14:25,790 --> 01:14:29,390
you may be familiar, caddy corner to this site, next to the public, there's

828
01:14:29,390 --> 01:14:34,150
a site that is zoned for 40 stories as of today. Why we believe it is appropriately

829
01:14:34,150 --> 01:14:39,590
transitioned because what is being achieved here is taking that otherwise 40 story recommendation,

830
01:14:39,950 --> 01:14:44,990
making it context sensitive, stepping the building down to 30 into 25 stories as you

831
01:14:44,990 --> 01:14:49,950
make your way north on the site. Again, a little bit more about the transit station

832
01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:53,750
areas and I know this is a lot of information to cover in a short span of time so I apologize.

833
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:56,950
But as was mentioned in the staff report this isn't

834
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,560
We are developing as directly on top of one of those future transit station maps, future

835
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,560
transit station areas. This map and all of these things are directly from the comprehensive

836
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:14,680
plan. It talks about the station area types. This is a downtown station area type adjacent

837
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:20,120
to the site. And those downtown recommendations call for up to 40 stories or more. I would

838
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,460
note for you that I think it's important as it relates to your review of this case.

839
01:15:23,860 --> 01:15:28,460
One of the things that's clear in the recommendations associated with transit areas is that where

840
01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:31,360
where there's a discrepancy, and this is in the land use plan, this is in the comprehensive

841
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:36,340
plan, where there's a discrepancy in building height relative to transit areas in any other

842
01:15:36,340 --> 01:15:41,440
map that the city has, those transit areas control that is expressly provided for in the

843
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:42,160
comprehensive plan.

844
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:46,520
And again, I recognize that building height is the centerpiece of this development,

845
01:15:46,740 --> 01:15:51,000
and I would tell you unequivocally that this development is satisfying the comprehensive

846
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,980
plan's goals with respect to building height and is doing so in a way that will breathe

847
01:15:54,980 --> 01:15:56,840
life into those future transit plans.

848
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:02,520
And so with that, I'm going to turn it over to a couple of our speakers and we'll be here to answer questions.

849
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:16,980
Good morning Planning Commission. My name is Larry Miller. I'm President of Glenwood South's Neighborhood Collaborative.

850
01:16:17,660 --> 01:16:21,720
We're an association, Neighborhood Association has over a thousand members.

851
01:16:22,540 --> 01:16:32,420
We have 14 member board that made up of members of residents and business owners in the community.

852
01:16:32,420 --> 01:16:41,320
And we're actually a community that is adjacent to this site, unlike the Glenwood Brooklyn

853
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:47,840
neighborhood which is physically separated from the proposed site by a railroad track.

854
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:53,180
But we thought it was important to show our support for this development.

855
01:16:54,660 --> 01:16:56,960
First of all, I'm trying to be brief.

856
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:03,500
I want to say the planning and development staff has done an outstanding job in presenting

857
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:07,060
this and I think you should pay attention to what they have to say.

858
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:07,940
They're your experts.

859
01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:14,160
I'm not going to go into the minutiae, but just note that they do indicate that it's

860
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:20,480
consistent with the comprehensive plan, future land use, infrastructure, urban form.

861
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,660
I mean, they don't find anything wrong with it.

862
01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:29,740
I'm going to just talk about a few of the factors that we think are important

863
01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:36,400
and that you should be looking at in the overall public interest for this project

864
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:41,160
and not the private interest of a few vocal opposition.

865
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,180
The transportation, it's a walkable neighborhood.

866
01:17:46,180 --> 01:17:53,560
We live in the neighborhood. It's great. You want to have a dense development like this

867
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:59,260
in a neighborhood that's walkable. You've got pedestrian transportation. You have the bus rapid transit,

868
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:06,360
the frequent transit. Those have all been talked about. It's also on a bike trail.

869
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,520
It's going to be added on West Street scooters. You've got all that.

870
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:17,920
You have all that transportation, which will eliminate the use of the need for cars.

871
01:18:18,580 --> 01:18:22,120
So that's a strong factor in its favor.

872
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,120
Again, it's adjacent to the Smoky Hollow Park.

873
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,820
It will allow access to the park from West Street.

874
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,480
Right now, the park is surrounded by property.

875
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,700
The only access the city is going to have is from P Street, which is problematic.

876
01:18:35,700 --> 01:18:42,720
This will create an additional access to this great park amenity that's going to be built.

877
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:52,680
The affordable housing part of this, the city is all, that's one of the main issues in Raleigh

878
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:53,540
is affordable housing.

879
01:18:54,200 --> 01:19:00,780
This is going to provide over a million dollars to put for affordable housing.

880
01:19:02,540 --> 01:19:06,900
Again, it is a factor that should be taken into consideration.

881
01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:09,800
I'm going to leave some time for another person.

882
01:19:10,060 --> 01:19:17,920
I just want to say please look forward to the overall public interest and not the private interests of a few individuals.

883
01:19:18,140 --> 01:19:18,580
Thank you.

884
01:19:28,460 --> 01:19:31,660
If I may, may I ask for an additional time?

885
01:19:31,820 --> 01:19:35,720
I've got about 25 seconds in a time where I would love three minutes if that's allowable.

886
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:36,340
If

887
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,360
it's the will of the commission, I will add two minutes.

888
01:19:42,260 --> 01:19:45,020
And then I will add two minutes to the other side as well.

889
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:46,080
Great.

890
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:46,500
Thank you.

891
01:19:46,940 --> 01:19:48,320
Without objection, we'll add two minutes.

892
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:49,040
Thank you.

893
01:19:49,540 --> 01:19:50,320
My name is Will Choi.

894
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:51,600
I'm an architect in Raleigh.

895
01:19:51,660 --> 01:19:53,640
I've been practicing for about 20 years.

896
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,400
I hold a master's degree in architecture

897
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:56,460
from Harvard University.

898
01:19:56,460 --> 01:20:00,320
And I've practiced in several cities across the country

899
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,300
designing buildings like this and executing them.

900
01:20:02,300 --> 01:20:04,600
Though now my work these days in Raleigh

901
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:09,500
focus on much smaller neighborhood projects and I come here in support of

902
01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:15,560
the project today. Now there are a great many local issues in need of grassroots

903
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,780
involvement these days in Raleigh. Issues that I believe everybody in this

904
01:20:19,780 --> 01:20:25,840
room would agree our city needs solutions for. Real issues like housing

905
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:31,960
affordability, mass transit, downtown safety, our city's environment,

906
01:20:34,210 --> 01:20:34,980
so it

907
01:20:34,980 --> 01:20:41,080
pretty odd when one takes time off work to speak here instead in support of a

908
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:45,880
rezoning that will supposedly only benefit some private company. But I'm

909
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,640
here because I believe density is a necessary component in improving these

910
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:57,900
larger issues I mentioned earlier. If that sounds absurd let me ask, how can

911
01:20:57,900 --> 01:21:03,280
we address housing shortage without increasing the supply of housing? How

912
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:07,980
How can we establish mass transit without the mass of people who will write it?

913
01:21:08,860 --> 01:21:14,120
How can we increase safety in downtown without any eyes or foot traffic on the streets?

914
01:21:15,180 --> 01:21:20,700
Density is a crucial ingredient in making Raleigh liveable for people like me and the

915
01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:25,140
thousands of nearby apartment dwellers who did not feel compelled to come out and oppose

916
01:21:25,140 --> 01:21:25,880
the rezoning today.

917
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:29,360
Most folks downtown will readily agree.

918
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:35,560
we need things like sidewalks, bike lanes, beautiful parks to make our city livable.

919
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,760
But without density, our sidewalks and bike lanes will continue to remain empty,

920
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:46,940
our parking lots larger than the parks we build them for, and we will continue to

921
01:21:46,940 --> 01:21:52,500
cosplay a city rather than actually becoming one. We cannot say we care about

922
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:56,380
our environment, public transit, walkability, or housing, and then turn

923
01:21:56,380 --> 01:22:01,500
around to reject density. That's about as ridiculous as saying that you love to swim

924
01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:07,140
just not when the water is wet. And I hear the voices saying, hey, that's all fine, just

925
01:22:07,140 --> 01:22:11,820
not right here next to all these houses. Yet, last I checked, this neighborhood is a single

926
01:22:11,820 --> 01:22:17,040
densest neighborhood in all of Raleigh and outside of Charlotte, it is a densest spot

927
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:18,600
in the entire state of North Carolina.

928
01:22:18,980 --> 01:22:19,940
Thank you for your comments.

929
01:22:19,940 --> 01:22:25,900
So I asked if density isn't appropriate here. Where in Raleigh is this magically

930
01:22:25,900 --> 01:22:29,520
better spot that's not near any single family homes. Thank you.

931
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,060
Next we will hear

932
01:22:33,060 --> 01:22:36,420
from the opposition. You have a total of 12 minutes.

933
01:22:38,830 --> 01:22:40,410
Please state your name for

934
01:22:40,410 --> 01:22:46,090
the record. My name is Tim Niles and thank you for allowing me to speak.

935
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:50,630
Respectfully, I am disappointed this hearing is being held today when the

936
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:55,370
public has only had access to the staff report since Friday and that was

937
01:22:55,370 --> 01:22:59,830
made aware, and the staff was made aware over a month ago that the advocate for the neighbors

938
01:22:59,830 --> 01:23:04,950
could not be here today. The presentation he submitted to this body was prepared prior

939
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:09,470
to the staff report being made available. Because of this, it does not address the

940
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:14,530
latest assertions. I'm concerned that both neighborhood meetings were held without access

941
01:23:14,530 --> 01:23:20,570
to the staff report. Lastly, I note that two years ago, Transportation reported that

942
01:23:20,570 --> 01:23:26,350
this location had been removed from consideration as a transit location. The issue was brought

943
01:23:26,350 --> 01:23:30,730
up at the first neighborhood meeting because the applicant claimed the location is a transit

944
01:23:30,730 --> 01:23:36,450
location based on an out-of-date map, and every part of their application relies on

945
01:23:36,450 --> 01:23:42,530
that designation. Without it, this proposal violates over 40 policies and plans. I

946
01:23:42,530 --> 01:23:46,010
was told by planning staff at the end of that April meeting that they would get

947
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:51,910
clarification on the issue, they never got back to me. Transportation staff did reconfirm

948
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:58,410
by email in April that the location has not been identified as a transit station. Now magically

949
01:23:58,410 --> 01:24:04,070
when the staff report comes out, West Street is once again identified as a transit location.

950
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:09,050
This seems like a conveniently timed revelation when no one from the city was willing to

951
01:24:09,050 --> 01:24:15,030
disclose this information to the public previously. Even when asked directly about it at both

952
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:20,710
the first and second neighborhood meetings in April and July. It gives the impression the fix is in.

953
01:24:21,630 --> 01:24:29,110
Lastly, stepping down from 25 stories to two cannot realistically be called a transition.

954
01:24:29,690 --> 01:24:35,470
It's laughable. Nearly 1,500 people have signed a change.org petition against this proposal

955
01:24:35,470 --> 01:24:38,410
and more are signing it every day. Thank you.

956
01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:42,920
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen,

957
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:49,540
Chris Crew 306 Elm Street. This is not the right use in the right location because it's not

958
01:24:49,540 --> 01:24:55,180
consistent with the zoning. That's just pure and simple there. A lot of the people in this room

959
01:24:55,180 --> 01:24:59,800
participated in the development and adoption of Raleigh's comprehensive plan, the UDO,

960
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:04,680
and a lot of them are passionate about the preservation and care of our unique historic

961
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:10,820
architecture and cultural history. Local zoning is a tool that allows us to do this

962
01:25:10,820 --> 01:25:15,380
preservation because we've invested so much in developing and implementing these tools

963
01:25:15,380 --> 01:25:22,280
of being proper to grant a spot zoning privilege like the concessions now being requested on

964
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,920
a property that has already been re-zoned.

965
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:26,200
Look at the map.

966
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:31,080
The approval of this request would create a perverse and incompatibly irregularity

967
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,640
in the boundaries laid out in the zoning map.

968
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:35,580
It's just not right.

969
01:25:35,580 --> 01:25:42,900
As far as people being opposed to this, I have a message here from the Society for the

970
01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:48,740
Preservation of Historic Oakwood, which I believe was delivered to you by e-mail last week.

971
01:25:49,710 --> 01:25:52,300
If you did not receive it, I'll be sure that you did.

972
01:25:52,740 --> 01:25:56,400
That's an organization with over 1,600 members.

973
01:25:56,660 --> 01:26:03,000
Their Board of Directors voted to oppose this on a number of grounds, first of all,

974
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:08,540
allowing a 30-story mixed-use building within 240 feet of a residential neighborhood with

975
01:26:08,540 --> 01:26:15,220
an HOD designation represents an adverse impact that has not been addressed by anything we've

976
01:26:15,220 --> 01:26:20,360
heard here. In the absence of detailed and specific design information, it's impossible

977
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:28,420
to judge that this development will be compatible with Section 3.5.5C of the UDO dealing with

978
01:26:28,420 --> 01:26:34,300
setbacks. Beyond the questionable compatibility, the approval of this would set the President

979
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:40,980
that 30-story buildings just 240 feet from historic homes is not only allowed, but is

980
01:26:40,980 --> 01:26:46,560
fully consistent with the 2030 Comprehensive Plan and its policies, which this request

981
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:52,640
is not consistent with. And in addition to these easily recognized impacts, there

982
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:57,560
were unexamined impacts on traffic, public safety, and public utilities. Did any of you

983
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:01,920
note the flooding down there at the end of West Street yesterday. As a retired

984
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:07,140
emergency manager, that gives me pause. We urge you to reject this proposal on

985
01:27:07,140 --> 01:27:11,180
the grounds that it is arbitrary, capricious, and represents an example of

986
01:27:11,180 --> 01:27:15,580
spot zoning that conflicts with the UDO and the comprehensive plan. Thank you.

987
01:27:19,660 --> 01:27:23,880
Good morning. Matthew Brown, 401 North Person Street. Thank you for your

988
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:28,240
service. Thank you for letting me speak. We're talking about what Raleigh

989
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:37,300
needs. Unlike most cities our size, Raleigh has no historic riverfront or lakefront or

990
01:27:37,300 --> 01:27:43,900
mountains or Beale Street or other cultural attractions or Biltmore House or other architectural

991
01:27:43,900 --> 01:27:51,820
monuments. We need interest. We need beauty. We need character. That is what these historic

992
01:27:51,820 --> 01:27:57,080
districts provide to all the citizens of Raleigh and all the tourists. And that

993
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:05,420
That is why our UDA, UDO protects them, and a comprehensive plan envisions a transition

994
01:28:05,420 --> 01:28:05,820
zone.

995
01:28:06,260 --> 01:28:07,560
It's zone for 12 stories.

996
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:08,360
That's dense.

997
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,100
That's just like the public's building across the street.

998
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:18,640
But 30 stories next to two-story historic neighborhood violates the rule of common

999
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:19,040
sense.

1000
01:28:20,220 --> 01:28:26,140
And another thing, he's talking about, oh, transit's not a problem because it's right

1001
01:28:26,140 --> 01:28:32,100
by a capital boulevard. The problem is not north-south, it's east-west. Peace Street is

1002
01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:37,940
a bottleneck because of the two sets of railroad tracks and the state government mall. And part

1003
01:28:37,940 --> 01:28:42,420
of it is only two lanes. The traffic is already horrendous. All these people will have cars.

1004
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:48,000
The next street, east-west street north of this that crosses both sets of railroad tracks

1005
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:56,060
is the Belt Line. That's why it's a bottleneck. And the city has already approved all this

1006
01:28:56,060 --> 01:29:03,560
high density development along there, a caddy corner to this, a skyscraper, two skyscrapers

1007
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:08,840
at seaboard. When all these things are full, there will be constant gridlock on P Street

1008
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:14,460
and everybody will say, where were our planners? How could they let this happen? This is crazy.

1009
01:29:15,420 --> 01:29:22,300
There's tons of wonderful places to put a 30 story building. On this overloaded street

1010
01:29:22,300 --> 01:29:26,540
Next to this historic treasure is not the place. Thank you.

1011
01:29:31,020 --> 01:29:36,100
Good morning. My name is Gaston Williams and clearly I'm not Esther Hall. She's away on family business.

1012
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:42,760
But I am a member of the Preservation Raleigh Inc., a newly created preservation advocacy group in Raleigh.

1013
01:29:43,140 --> 01:29:46,600
And we're opposed to the zoning request as submitted.

1014
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:51,940
We haven't had a chance to look at all the details because they were recently released.

1015
01:29:51,940 --> 01:29:56,720
but we believe that allowing the construction of what could be a 30-story

1016
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,700
A residential neighborhood designated as a historic overlay district significantly impacts that

1017
01:30:07,700 --> 01:30:14,960
historic district. We're concerned with the lack that given the fact that this site is partially

1018
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:21,520
elevated and the height is so important that maybe in this case too much is too much.

1019
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:27,820
This represents an urban wall that's going to be erected and without a lot of detail

1020
01:30:27,820 --> 01:30:32,080
and fully comprehend it. Excuse me, I'm sorry. Could I please ask that we silence our phones?

1021
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,020
Madam Chairman, it wasn't me this time.

1022
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:43,600
Without your getting and demanding actually, a real

1023
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:49,180
detailed topography understanding what this represents from the perspective of not just

1024
01:30:49,180 --> 01:30:54,360
the buildings around it, but also the neighborhood above it, and also what it means to the

1025
01:30:54,360 --> 01:31:00,720
park and everything else. We don't think that this should be approved without a great

1026
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:05,640
deal of study about the topography and the relative scale, and that cannot be accomplished

1027
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:13,140
by one-dimensional drawings that you often get in these situations. More broadly, we

1028
01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:18,940
question whether this is really consistent with the comprehensive plan, suggesting that

1029
01:31:18,940 --> 01:31:25,080
that this sets a great precedent for many historic neighborhoods in the area that could

1030
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:32,920
result in a destruction or diminution of the historic districts. The consequences for long-term

1031
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:38,020
residents of these areas are great. We're going to have profound overwhelming building

1032
01:31:38,020 --> 01:31:46,180
scale increases traffic, noise, sunlight, glare, and as frequently pointed out, the traffic

1033
01:31:46,180 --> 01:31:51,120
traffic problem is going to be, as mentioned, the number of units in here, it's going to

1034
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:55,740
be a real artful day to get through P Street with all the traffic that's going to be dumped

1035
01:31:55,740 --> 01:31:56,660
into P Street.

1036
01:31:57,740 --> 01:32:07,280
So we believe this proposal for a high density project on the core of the historic area

1037
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:13,120
largely residential represents the possibility of being argued in the future to diminish

1038
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:13,980
other neighborhoods.

1039
01:32:13,980 --> 01:32:19,020
We urge the Planning Commission to request more detail before approving it or otherwise

1040
01:32:19,540 --> 01:32:21,480
reject this proposal as it's submitted.

1041
01:32:22,020 --> 01:32:22,560
Thank you.

1042
01:32:22,900 --> 01:32:23,240
Thank you.

1043
01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:25,620
Just real quick, not on my time.

1044
01:32:25,820 --> 01:32:26,360
Thank you all.

1045
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:30,020
I've been in a situation along with Esther where you all are sitting and devoting your

1046
01:32:30,020 --> 01:32:30,860
time to this effort.

1047
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,040
We appreciate it and I understand it more than others.

1048
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:42,930
Madam Chair, fellow Planning Commission members, my name is Ben Kuhn at 1223 Pierce Street,

1049
01:32:43,010 --> 01:32:43,530
Raleigh.

1050
01:32:43,530 --> 01:32:45,830
I've practiced, I'm a land use lawyer.

1051
01:32:46,270 --> 01:32:50,850
I work with developers and land use issues, variances and so forth.

1052
01:32:50,890 --> 01:32:52,490
I've been before this body several times before.

1053
01:32:52,970 --> 01:32:57,230
I was before you when this came before you in committee and also last time when they

1054
01:32:57,230 --> 01:32:59,990
sought to have it rezoned, that rezoning was ultimately denied.

1055
01:33:00,670 --> 01:33:02,190
This needs to go back to committee.

1056
01:33:02,330 --> 01:33:06,670
There's been policy changes since this last came before you in the adoption of

1057
01:33:06,670 --> 01:33:12,030
the transition zone which does have significant impact in the policy framework that this

1058
01:33:12,030 --> 01:33:17,230
has and it's not, hadn't been mentioned once. But that was adopted by city council last

1059
01:33:17,230 --> 01:33:22,490
time and it is a policy issue and layer that you need to consider. You also have to understand

1060
01:33:22,490 --> 01:33:29,010
it's, to me, as a land use lawyer, it's not about the use or the location. It's

1061
01:33:29,010 --> 01:33:34,310
about the height of it, which is completely out of odds with the context of the area.

1062
01:33:35,490 --> 01:33:41,550
It's not in a transit station area. The West Street and Johnson Street station area

1063
01:33:41,550 --> 01:33:45,990
It is off the books in terms of communication I had with Hett Patel two years ago, which

1064
01:33:45,990 --> 01:33:51,290
I presented to the City Planning Commission, I believe, at that time.

1065
01:33:52,090 --> 01:33:53,130
We have that documentation.

1066
01:33:53,570 --> 01:34:00,850
It's supposed to be at Capital Boulevard right where it verges off right behind the Long

1067
01:34:00,850 --> 01:34:01,410
Leaf Hotel.

1068
01:34:01,970 --> 01:34:10,110
If you string a line from that point to this site, it's .26 of a mile, more than

1069
01:34:10,110 --> 01:34:14,650
a quarter mile. Even if you argue that it's within the transit station area for that location,

1070
01:34:14,950 --> 01:34:20,570
it's at the very edge of the transit station area. And what I would point you to is the

1071
01:34:20,570 --> 01:34:26,110
Equitable Transit Oriented Development Guidebook, the policy that guides development within

1072
01:34:26,110 --> 01:34:32,490
transit areas. And it suggests to you that in a transit area at the transit station,

1073
01:34:32,710 --> 01:34:37,410
that's where the most heightened density would be. And guess what? As you venture

1074
01:34:37,410 --> 01:34:44,190
further and farther outside from the transit station area. The document says specifically

1075
01:34:44,190 --> 01:34:49,350
the policy guidance is that the height and the density would taper and transition down

1076
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:56,010
towards any nearby neighborhoods that are residential density. So for that reason, more

1077
01:34:56,010 --> 01:35:03,130
policy guidance is needed and needs to be put in committee and we appreciate that consideration.

1078
01:35:03,630 --> 01:35:03,930
Thank you.

1079
01:35:03,930 --> 01:35:10,930
Thank you. Thank you all for your comments. Okay, we will bring it back to the table.

1080
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:12,510
Commissioner Neptune.

1081
01:35:13,250 --> 01:35:19,750
Thank you, Madam Chair. Just briefly, I'd like to acknowledge and express my thanks

1082
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:25,190
and gratitude to all of the residents for being here this morning on your time.

1083
01:35:25,930 --> 01:35:34,770
Just deeply appreciate you taking time out of your day to be with us to share your concerns.

1084
01:35:36,130 --> 01:35:40,690
And I guess there's a quick follow on that just to make sure I'm hearing it clearly.

1085
01:35:41,890 --> 01:35:46,430
It feels as if there are sort of two buckets of concern.

1086
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:53,030
There's like the height and our homes, you know, like the height of the potential buildings and our homes.

1087
01:35:53,630 --> 01:36:01,090
and then separate but of course related is transit and traffic and if we just kind

1088
01:36:01,090 --> 01:36:04,710
of I just want to ask a follow-up question to make sure I'm clear and I

1089
01:36:04,710 --> 01:36:07,730
think it's a question for we'll start with transit and traffic maybe start

1090
01:36:07,730 --> 01:36:13,430
with transportation staff you know I'm under the impression and just you know

1091
01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:21,310
based on the review of the materials also based on prior service with the

1092
01:36:21,310 --> 01:36:28,190
2019 and being familiar with this corridor, my impression and understanding is that since

1093
01:36:28,190 --> 01:36:34,990
at least 2016, at minimum, when we adopted this Wake County Transit Plan, there have

1094
01:36:34,990 --> 01:36:43,550
effectively been plans and studies and designs for a future transit sort of corridor.

1095
01:36:44,090 --> 01:36:48,290
So I know we're working on this like bus rapid transit corridor on the one side.

1096
01:36:48,290 --> 01:36:53,330
And then if transportation staff could speak to this, I think there's like an S-line high-speed rail connection.

1097
01:36:53,570 --> 01:36:57,210
We're also working on, I think we've got federal funding to support this.

1098
01:36:57,370 --> 01:37:00,070
I mean, all these systems are kind of moving forward.

1099
01:37:00,530 --> 01:37:07,770
But again, I would welcome transportation staff if you could maybe speak to that briefly as far as the transit-related operations.

1100
01:37:08,050 --> 01:37:13,790
That, again, just from my understanding of the review of the materials and just from prior commission service,

1101
01:37:14,930 --> 01:37:20,850
If you could speak to the transit-related operations that are in development for the corridor.

1102
01:37:21,050 --> 01:37:30,730
I think that it would be helpful to hear in relation to the concerns around traffic and gridlock congestion that we're hearing from the residents.

1103
01:37:32,250 --> 01:37:42,610
If I could just add to that, there seems to be some concern about the location of the proposed transit station.

1104
01:37:42,610 --> 01:37:51,330
So, if you could just speak to the decision-making around where the transit station is proposed

1105
01:37:51,330 --> 01:37:55,350
to be, that might clear up some of this confusion as well.

1106
01:37:55,970 --> 01:37:56,370
Yeah.

1107
01:37:56,450 --> 01:37:58,010
Thank you, Commissioner Neptune and Chair Bennett.

1108
01:37:58,150 --> 01:38:02,950
We have Carter Robertson with the Transportation Department, who can speak to the trip generation

1109
01:38:03,470 --> 01:38:09,750
traffic analysis and existing conditions for car flow, and we also have Gabriel Wilkins

1110
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:16,310
from transit planning to enter questions related to BRT and other transit services.

1111
01:38:16,650 --> 01:38:16,990
Thank you.

1112
01:38:17,770 --> 01:38:22,390
And maybe just I would note to staff as you approach, if you could just share briefly, very briefly,

1113
01:38:22,990 --> 01:38:28,590
just the background on these transit plans that are in development in progress,

1114
01:38:29,090 --> 01:38:30,990
I think that would be appreciated by the Commission.

1115
01:38:31,890 --> 01:38:34,150
Of course, good morning, Commission.

1116
01:38:34,410 --> 01:38:37,870
Gabriel Wilkins with Transportation and Transit on the BRT team.

1117
01:38:37,870 --> 01:38:39,710
So I'll start with Bus Rapid Transit.

1118
01:38:39,950 --> 01:38:42,330
Carder can handle SLINE and my colleague, Melanie,

1119
01:38:42,670 --> 01:38:44,130
will be able to answer questions about

1120
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:46,370
ordinary fixed route service here.

1121
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:51,470
So the Bus Rapid Transit system in Wake County

1122
01:38:52,170 --> 01:38:54,850
was initially planned by a major investment study

1123
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:57,950
ahead of the 2016 Wake Transit Plan.

1124
01:38:58,430 --> 01:38:59,750
So that included four corridors,

1125
01:39:00,150 --> 01:39:02,890
Newburn Avenue, Southern, Western, and Northern.

1126
01:39:03,470 --> 01:39:06,610
At the time, the Northern BRT corridor in that study,

1127
01:39:06,610 --> 01:39:13,430
2016, only included from the downtown portion out up Capital Boulevard to where it diverges

1128
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:15,830
off to Wake Forest Road.

1129
01:39:16,870 --> 01:39:21,150
So it was initially just that kind of stub with the idea that it would be revisited later

1130
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:24,550
after the other corridors advance in their planning.

1131
01:39:26,340 --> 01:39:32,510
The 2019 Raleigh Comprehensive Plan took those major investment studies, the corridors

1132
01:39:32,510 --> 01:39:37,350
for BRT from those studies and that's what kind of fed into the map that the

1133
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:41,150
applicant showed about the transit station areas downtown. Those are bus rapid

1134
01:39:41,150 --> 01:39:46,190
transit stations. Bus stops kind of a different level of transit we can get

1135
01:39:46,190 --> 01:39:52,090
to later. So currently that northern corridor is being revisited in a new

1136
01:39:52,090 --> 01:39:57,650
major investment study to consider the downtown to its actual endpoints. That

1137
01:39:57,650 --> 01:40:03,630
is slated to wrap up the end of this year, which will kind of come out with two identified

1138
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:11,050
kind of preferred corridors for that route. Now, those studies are taking as a starting

1139
01:40:11,050 --> 01:40:16,730
point the existing 2016 study. So from that Wake Forest, a capital, and going one route

1140
01:40:16,730 --> 01:40:24,270
up to Midtown and one route towards the Triangle Town Center area. The zoning case

1141
01:40:24,270 --> 01:40:29,870
This here is located within that kind of stubbed portion that was already within kind

1142
01:40:29,870 --> 01:40:30,510
of planning.

1143
01:40:31,490 --> 01:40:36,910
There were two kind of different routes for how it might move around.

1144
01:40:37,410 --> 01:40:39,210
West Street was included at the time.

1145
01:40:40,230 --> 01:40:45,030
In going through planning, Capital Boulevard is currently the preferred location.

1146
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:52,790
Specific stations will not be identified until preliminary design is entered.

1147
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:55,750
And that follows the kind of conclusion of a major investment study.

1148
01:40:56,270 --> 01:41:01,090
The Newburn, Southern, and Western BRTs are all currently, well, Newburn's getting ready

1149
01:41:01,090 --> 01:41:06,590
to be built, Southern and Western have completed that preliminary design into final design.

1150
01:41:06,730 --> 01:41:09,050
That's where those specific station locations get nailed down.

1151
01:41:09,730 --> 01:41:13,970
Part of the major investment study looks at identifying key intersections at which

1152
01:41:13,970 --> 01:41:19,210
a station, near which a station would be located so that we can model ridership potential,

1153
01:41:19,210 --> 01:41:24,790
see what the kind of development may look like around the stations and how

1154
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:29,070
connections to other fixed route, other active transportation, bicycle and

1155
01:41:29,070 --> 01:41:34,270
pedestrian, and kind of other amenities such as parks might happen. The

1156
01:41:34,270 --> 01:41:38,430
intersection around peace street and capital boulevard has been identified

1157
01:41:38,430 --> 01:41:44,230
since that 2016 plan through to today as an area of interest to locate a bus

1158
01:41:44,230 --> 01:41:47,690
rapid transit station and that remains true. Where it will actually be

1159
01:41:47,690 --> 01:41:55,210
located depends a lot on engineering concerns given the kind of lots of topography and grade

1160
01:41:55,210 --> 01:42:01,890
separated areas there. But that area is kind of of key interest from 2016 to now for a

1161
01:42:01,890 --> 01:42:02,830
bus rapid transit station.

1162
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:04,250
Thank you.

1163
01:42:04,670 --> 01:42:10,810
Thank you. A quick follow-up. So just briefly, the actual locations have not been identified.

1164
01:42:11,050 --> 01:42:16,430
That won't happen until we get farther into engineering, planning, et cetera. Just

1165
01:42:16,430 --> 01:42:17,590
Just make sure I'm clear on that.

1166
01:42:17,730 --> 01:42:17,930
Correct.

1167
01:42:18,130 --> 01:42:23,850
And that is why that quarter to a half mile buffer, quarter mile buffer is where this kind

1168
01:42:23,850 --> 01:42:24,370
of …

1169
01:42:24,370 --> 01:42:27,530
And then it's a quick follow-up for the applicant or the developer on the project.

1170
01:42:29,130 --> 01:42:34,670
Have they been involved at all or have they expressed interest in working with the city

1171
01:42:34,670 --> 01:42:39,110
in this, I guess, potential connectivity to the transit station?

1172
01:42:39,330 --> 01:42:43,450
I mean, perhaps you could speak to it, perhaps the, I guess, the attorney here on behalf

1173
01:42:43,450 --> 01:42:50,250
of the applicants could speak to that the interest of the developer in coordinating the development

1174
01:42:50,250 --> 01:42:54,070
with the transition. I mean, it seems like, I feel like that was included in the presentation,

1175
01:42:54,230 --> 01:42:57,710
but maybe you could speak to that in more detail on behalf of the applicant.

1176
01:42:57,810 --> 01:43:01,430
Sure. Commissioner Naptan, we absolutely have been following it. Chris Carter and

1177
01:43:01,430 --> 01:43:04,770
Raleigh Development Company have been following the discussions associated with BRT recognizing

1178
01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:09,030
that as this site develops, as well as the sites that are in proximity to the site,

1179
01:43:09,310 --> 01:43:13,150
having access to transit is of critical import. So absolutely interested in continuing

1180
01:43:13,150 --> 01:43:15,910
in that work with the city and certainly we'll be following it as we go.

1181
01:43:16,450 --> 01:43:17,070
Thank you.

1182
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:18,110
Thank you all.

1183
01:43:18,350 --> 01:43:21,910
Now, if we could hear about the S line and I guess any work on that?

1184
01:43:23,190 --> 01:43:25,110
I just want to keep us on track.

1185
01:43:26,290 --> 01:43:31,670
This is a frequent transit designation because of the R line, correct?

1186
01:43:32,630 --> 01:43:37,070
So that's not even, I don't want to say it's not relevant, but it's really not relevant

1187
01:43:37,070 --> 01:43:40,930
to the frequent transit designation of this area.

1188
01:43:40,930 --> 01:43:50,590
So I just want to make sure we're able to talk about the TIA and the height and all of our other questions that we might have.

1189
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:52,570
Is that okay?

1190
01:43:53,050 --> 01:44:00,870
I suppose it seemed relevant in that it's also within the context of the neighborhood.

1191
01:44:01,470 --> 01:44:08,890
And right now, if I'm hearing it correctly, we have residents who are concerned about the proximity of the development.

1192
01:44:08,890 --> 01:44:15,530
and just I guess I'm trying to seek clarity on the neighborhood, their

1193
01:44:15,530 --> 01:44:20,590
backyards, the rail line which is being upgraded to this high-speed rail line

1194
01:44:20,590 --> 01:44:25,850
and then we have this currently zoned industrial I guess mix use okay and then

1195
01:44:25,850 --> 01:44:28,450
we have a street and then we have this development that's what I'm trying to

1196
01:44:28,450 --> 01:44:33,350
get clarity on. So very briefly could you just tell us about the S line and

1197
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:40,070
it's proximity to. I can yes and also Commissioner Maynard you raise the valid

1198
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:47,510
point for consideration is regardless of the BRT transit location the site is

1199
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:55,210
qualified as core transit on Table LU2 by its service of existing transit today

1200
01:44:55,210 --> 01:44:56,150
the R line.

1201
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,980
And its location within a mixed use center of 30 acres or greater, qualify it.

1202
01:45:07,060 --> 01:45:11,820
One or the other qualifies. This qualifies both. So the language in the comprehensive plan says

1203
01:45:11,820 --> 01:45:18,480
core transit can be qualified with either planned frequent transit. It has frequent transit

1204
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:24,140
today. So that qualifies. The other is its location within the bus rapid transit area

1205
01:45:24,140 --> 01:45:29,580
downtown and the other mixed use centers on that map. Thank you. Yeah.

1206
01:45:33,850 --> 01:45:34,390
Good morning

1207
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:38,410
everyone. Carter Robertson with transportation. I'm going to find a

1208
01:45:38,410 --> 01:45:44,310
picture here so I could orient us towards the site and the S line and how

1209
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:45,870
those two will interact.

1210
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:52,900
A little more zoomed in. Here we go. So brief

1211
01:45:52,900 --> 01:45:59,460
overview of what the S line project is. It's a partnership between NCDOT

1212
01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:04,640
and the Virginia passenger rail authority to connect Richmond to Raleigh with

1213
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:12,080
high-speed rail. And so a federal grant was granted for construction from Raleigh

1214
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:15,060
to Wake Forest in 2022, I believe.

1215
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:20,560
Specific to the site where it will run

1216
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:28,160
is just on the other side of West Street here. We have the existing railroad

1217
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:34,900
road track, the SLINE will align a little bit to the east of it there, overlapping a

1218
01:46:34,900 --> 01:46:41,180
bit with those buildings. So, some right-of-way and property acquisition is going to be required.

1219
01:46:41,340 --> 01:46:47,920
That was included as part of the grant design, right-of-way acquisition, and construction.

1220
01:46:48,900 --> 01:46:56,380
Currently, U.S. DOT is working through a backlog of grants that haven't been designated

1221
01:46:56,380 --> 01:47:03,420
yet, and S-Line is one of those that they are working on, and so once that gets encumbered

1222
01:47:03,420 --> 01:47:10,880
to this project, we'll have the green light for construction. That's a big overlap of

1223
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:17,940
S-Line. They would be separating this development from the neighborhood to the west, approximately

1224
01:47:17,940 --> 01:47:19,600
as you see that line that I drew.

1225
01:47:21,100 --> 01:47:24,360
Thank you, and thank you, Madam Chair, for bearing with live.

1226
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:25,620
Of course. No problem.

1227
01:47:26,440 --> 01:47:32,500
Danielle, we were going to talk about, I believe you wanted to hear about the traffic and what the traffic study showed.

1228
01:47:33,020 --> 01:47:33,180
Right.

1229
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:37,880
So a traffic study was not required for this site.

1230
01:47:38,620 --> 01:47:41,220
Matthew did a good job of explaining earlier.

1231
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:49,560
At rezoning what we're looking at is the difference between trips generated under the current zoning and the proposed zoning.

1232
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:54,360
And in this case, the office entitlement was reduced significantly.

1233
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:58,260
Industrial entitlement was cut out entirely.

1234
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:03,460
And so those two land uses typically are high driver of trips in our model.

1235
01:48:03,900 --> 01:48:09,440
And so while there is an increase in density for residential, the overall trip impact

1236
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:15,140
is less than what is currently, what the site is currently zoned for.

1237
01:48:15,300 --> 01:48:18,560
So that's why a traffic study was not required at rezoning.

1238
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:24,260
one may be required at site plan if it meets the triggers that we look at at

1239
01:48:24,260 --> 01:48:32,520
that stage. I hear the residents concern about P Street. We do realize that that

1240
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:39,000
is an issue of east-west vehicle connectivity for downtown. Right now the

1241
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:44,360
volumes that we're seeing on P Street is around 17,000 vehicles per day.

1242
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:51,780
that's in line with our projections for a four-lane divided avenue. Another thing

1243
01:48:51,780 --> 01:48:56,180
I wanted to highlight, we've talked a lot about walkability in the site and

1244
01:48:56,180 --> 01:49:01,440
current and future transit. This intersection of peace in West Street is

1245
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:07,700
also going to be very valuable as a part of our future bike network. As I've

1246
01:49:07,700 --> 01:49:11,520
mentioned before, at Planning Commission, we're working on our active

1247
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:17,400
Mobility Plan, and right now our draft is designating both Peace Street and West and

1248
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:23,580
Harrington as priority bike corridors, Peace Street. We would like to see upgraded to a

1249
01:49:23,580 --> 01:49:28,560
separated facility to provide that east-west connection for the city in terms of cycling.

1250
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:32,880
Just briefly, I think the two former chairs of the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Commission

1251
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:37,700
deeply appreciate hearing about this future connectivity for our cyclists in the community.

1252
01:49:37,700 --> 01:49:40,780
so thank you and the walkers too and the walkers too.

1253
01:49:43,060 --> 01:49:44,080
Does that answer your

1254
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:50,340
question? It absolutely does thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Miller. May I have a

1255
01:49:50,340 --> 01:49:54,840
quick follow-up for traffic? Could you also just address the projections about

1256
01:49:54,840 --> 01:50:00,500
P Street and the forthcoming development and any plans that may be in the

1257
01:50:00,500 --> 01:50:09,160
area to address traffic concerns? Not directly related to road capacity I

1258
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:12,200
I mean, the overall vision for downtown

1259
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:16,260
and adding these different forms of travel

1260
01:50:16,260 --> 01:50:20,360
is to increase the mode share between vehicles,

1261
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:22,360
pedestrian, cyclists, and transit.

1262
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:26,640
So that's our overall approach for this area right now.

1263
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:28,800
We don't have any specific projects

1264
01:50:29,300 --> 01:50:32,260
that would address specifically vehicle capacity.

1265
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:34,960
It's gonna say, is that part of the city's policy

1266
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:40,900
see where we sometimes put stress on an area on traffic while increasing, on car traffic

1267
01:50:40,900 --> 01:50:46,120
while increasing alternative options in order to try to pursue those alternative policies

1268
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:46,600
in the area?

1269
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:53,030
I would have to review our policy a bit on that.

1270
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:53,550
Okay.

1271
01:50:58,130 --> 01:50:58,790
Commissioner Outville.

1272
01:51:00,410 --> 01:51:01,210
Thank you, Chairman.

1273
01:51:02,830 --> 01:51:07,790
When this property was up for rezoning the first time around a couple years ago,

1274
01:51:07,790 --> 01:51:14,090
I voted in favor of the rezoning. When the text change came before us to add the

1275
01:51:14,090 --> 01:51:19,530
area to a downtown transition zone I voted against it and but nevertheless

1276
01:51:19,530 --> 01:51:24,710
it's now part of the city policy. Coming into this meeting I thought that I

1277
01:51:24,710 --> 01:51:31,110
would be voting against this proposal due to that condition until I got into

1278
01:51:31,110 --> 01:51:35,910
my studies and read the actual definitions and the text is very

1279
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:45,450
clear that, let me see, it's DT 1.14, I believe, which states that these transition areas should

1280
01:51:45,450 --> 01:51:54,330
be used for lower height developments, but if there is existing overlay zoning in the

1281
01:51:54,330 --> 01:51:58,650
area, that should take precedence unless there is a small area plan that's implemented.

1282
01:51:58,650 --> 01:52:07,090
I think this area is very clearly defined as a core transit area by the definition that

1283
01:52:07,090 --> 01:52:14,690
goes along with Table LU2 and the comprehensive plan, and as such, like regardless of where

1284
01:52:14,690 --> 01:52:18,870
the BRT gets placed, it's served by frequent transit at this time.

1285
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:25,170
And I think it is defined as such, it's very clearly part of the core downtown area

1286
01:52:25,170 --> 01:52:26,690
and the future land use map.

1287
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:30,270
And if you reference table LU2, which

1288
01:52:30,270 --> 01:52:33,870
is supposed to be our primary reference for determining

1289
01:52:35,010 --> 01:52:38,610
building heights and rezoning, this clearly

1290
01:52:38,610 --> 01:52:42,150
qualifies for the kind of height that is being requested.

1291
01:52:43,170 --> 01:52:46,550
I believe our job is to give our interpretation

1292
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:48,370
of the planning documents and give

1293
01:52:48,370 --> 01:52:50,010
an assessment of whether we think

1294
01:52:50,010 --> 01:52:52,650
it's in line with the policies and documents as they exist.

1295
01:52:53,610 --> 01:52:57,930
It's not our opinion on whether we think that this is a good or bad development.

1296
01:52:58,550 --> 01:53:02,270
I wish this had a shot front urban form designation.

1297
01:53:02,570 --> 01:53:03,270
I think that would be better.

1298
01:53:03,710 --> 01:53:05,430
I am concerned about traffic.

1299
01:53:06,230 --> 01:53:09,970
I wish that the project contains stronger conditions about supporting the park.

1300
01:53:10,710 --> 01:53:16,730
But these are not part of our decision on whether the zoning meets the planning

1301
01:53:16,730 --> 01:53:17,550
documents or not.

1302
01:53:17,550 --> 01:53:23,850
That table LU2 is very definitive in this projection.

1303
01:53:24,410 --> 01:53:29,510
And to address the concern that this sets a precedent across the city, these conditions

1304
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:30,790
don't exist across the city.

1305
01:53:31,250 --> 01:53:43,190
That you have a 30-acre mixed use area, the front on frequent transit zones, and that

1306
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:49,990
cross-reference on table LU2, see if I can get there. Sorry for my scrolling

1307
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:50,330
around.

1308
01:53:58,710 --> 01:54:02,810
These kind of heights are only recommended at the

1309
01:54:02,810 --> 01:54:08,150
intersection of a core transit area and a central business district or downtown

1310
01:54:08,710 --> 01:54:12,970
core zone and this does not exist across the city and I don't think that

1311
01:54:12,970 --> 01:54:18,670
this puts neighborhoods across the city at risk or sets a precedent. I'm going

1312
01:54:18,670 --> 01:54:21,110
to be voting to support this proposal when the time comes.

1313
01:54:21,310 --> 01:54:22,550
Thank you, Commissioner.

1314
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:27,350
I will appreciate you going through Table LU2 and the policy.

1315
01:54:29,310 --> 01:54:33,790
Could I ask staff, maybe Mr. Clem or Bynam,

1316
01:54:34,570 --> 01:54:39,870
we heard a few times about the staff report not being

1317
01:54:39,870 --> 01:54:41,870
available at the neighborhood meetings.

1318
01:54:43,230 --> 01:54:45,530
Are they typically available at neighborhood meetings?

1319
01:54:45,690 --> 01:54:47,190
Could you talk about the timing of when

1320
01:54:47,190 --> 01:54:51,130
the staff report comes out versus when the applicant neighborhood meetings are held?

1321
01:54:52,130 --> 01:54:57,290
So like this case and others, when there is a second neighborhood meeting required by

1322
01:54:57,290 --> 01:55:03,490
the code, the case will not move forward to planning commission review until the second

1323
01:55:03,490 --> 01:55:10,490
neighborhood meeting is conducted. So the staff report won't be published until your

1324
01:55:10,490 --> 01:55:17,730
first review of the case, which is today. So it is not typical that the full staff report

1325
01:55:17,730 --> 01:55:23,110
is done by the time of the second neighborhood meeting because the case is not complete and

1326
01:55:23,110 --> 01:55:29,950
ready for review until that is done. So in the rezoning process laid out in the Unified

1327
01:55:29,950 --> 01:55:30,850
Development Ordinance,

1328
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:37,940
the second neighborhood meeting has to occur before you have your

1329
01:55:37,940 --> 01:55:44,880
deliberations, and the staff report is not published until your first deliberations.

1330
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:48,640
So that is a condition that is perennial to the process.

1331
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:50,640
Thank you.

1332
01:55:56,670 --> 01:56:01,190
Has there been any studies on the environmental impact of the neighborhoods around the project?

1333
01:56:01,370 --> 01:56:03,890
And anybody, these are questions that anybody can answer.

1334
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:11,410
So we have stormwater staff that can speak to the stormwater runoff and what the

1335
01:56:11,410 --> 01:56:14,130
code requires in terms of addressing those conditions.

1336
01:56:15,770 --> 01:56:20,870
We have some analysis in the comprehensive plan, recommends encouraging walkability,

1337
01:56:21,470 --> 01:56:29,550
encouraging transit use, and active mobility as an encouragement to burn less fossil fuels.

1338
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:39,770
The staff report also contains metrics comparing detached houses to apartments and townhouses

1339
01:56:39,770 --> 01:56:42,070
and other building types that have shared walls.

1340
01:56:42,710 --> 01:56:47,210
We know that when folks live in a building type

1341
01:56:47,210 --> 01:56:48,870
that shares wall with a neighbor,

1342
01:56:49,330 --> 01:56:53,450
that both of them use less natural resources

1343
01:56:53,450 --> 01:56:55,450
for heating and cooling because they insulate each other.

1344
01:56:56,050 --> 01:56:59,470
So within the staff report and within the comprehensive plan

1345
01:56:59,470 --> 01:57:02,750
there is guidance that encourages dense walkable,

1346
01:57:03,210 --> 01:57:06,710
mixed use, apartment use and townhouse development

1347
01:57:06,710 --> 01:57:12,570
and an effort to reduce the per capita carbon emissions from folks living in the city.

1348
01:57:13,050 --> 01:57:18,790
What's been the consistent or the average feedback from community engagement about the project?

1349
01:57:19,710 --> 01:57:26,670
So there is a engagement portal that we put up for every rezoning case.

1350
01:57:27,390 --> 01:57:33,030
The particular responses from the engagement portal for this case,

1351
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:39,390
I believe had four comments in support and four comments in opposition.

1352
01:57:39,810 --> 01:57:48,290
So that's the city's official engagement opportunity for every case.

1353
01:57:48,590 --> 01:57:54,350
We have received a number of emails though over the last several weeks.

1354
01:57:54,710 --> 01:57:59,710
Even though the engagement portal wasn't really used, we've received a number of emails.

1355
01:57:59,710 --> 01:58:05,870
That's why I'm trying to figure out what the average response to this project has been

1356
01:58:05,870 --> 01:58:07,570
from your community engagement.

1357
01:58:07,790 --> 01:58:13,290
Has the overarching response been in opposition or has it been in support?

1358
01:58:14,390 --> 01:58:20,030
Yeah, I would say based on the engagement portal and then also outlined in the report

1359
01:58:20,030 --> 01:58:26,830
is some summation of the neighborhood group who came to speak today and their online

1360
01:58:26,830 --> 01:58:29,750
online postings and social media has been an opposition to the case.

1361
01:58:32,450 --> 01:58:38,410
I also see that where did the $1.2 million number come from for affordable housing?

1362
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:40,930
That was provided by the applicants.

1363
01:58:41,450 --> 01:58:45,150
We can ask them up to speak to how they came to that number if you'd like.

1364
01:58:46,330 --> 01:58:47,170
Yes, please.

1365
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:57,890
Could the applicant address the question of where the $1.2 million figure came from?

1366
01:58:57,890 --> 01:58:58,830
The

1367
01:59:09,010 --> 01:59:16,350
affordable housing, the number it specifically came to be as a result of 30 units at $40,000

1368
01:59:16,900 --> 01:59:17,470
per unit.

1369
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:18,310
Okay.

1370
01:59:18,990 --> 01:59:25,610
And I know that they said that there were conditions on the affordable housing contribution.

1371
01:59:25,950 --> 01:59:26,110
Why?

1372
01:59:27,230 --> 01:59:28,430
Are there conditions?

1373
01:59:28,930 --> 01:59:33,510
Like whether or not you get so many stories determines whether or not the contribution

1374
01:59:33,510 --> 01:59:33,970
is made.

1375
01:59:34,190 --> 01:59:34,510
Excuse me.

1376
01:59:35,010 --> 01:59:35,230
Yeah.

1377
01:59:35,230 --> 01:59:42,110
So, from a timing standpoint, and I think what you're getting at is we're not making

1378
01:59:42,110 --> 01:59:42,430
the payment.

1379
01:59:42,530 --> 01:59:45,930
The developer is not making the payment until the 500 unit.

1380
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:51,850
And primarily, that's related to being able to finance the deal, because so you can start

1381
01:59:51,850 --> 01:59:56,690
the building and then you can make a contribution as you're being able to occupy units

1382
01:59:56,690 --> 01:59:56,970
It's either.

1383
02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:06,280
I would tell you that their intention, the developer's intention, is absolutely to make

1384
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:11,440
that contribution. We could do, they could do 500 units as of today. They could do 499 units

1385
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:16,260
as of today, but they wouldn't be going through this process if their intent wasn't to significantly

1386
02:00:16,260 --> 02:00:19,800
exceed that 499 unit count and make that contribution.

1387
02:00:20,180 --> 02:00:20,440
I

1388
02:00:23,540 --> 02:00:27,760
had another one, but I'm still looking if anybody else has other questions or comments

1389
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:28,680
from commissioners.

1390
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:33,600
One more question. Is there any economic

1391
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:38,100
benefit to the community benefit to this project like economic development. I know

1392
02:00:38,100 --> 02:00:45,600
there'll be shops open, minority participation on the project or I mean

1393
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:50,890
minority participation goals on the project things like that. So there are

1394
02:00:50,890 --> 02:00:55,890
no conditions that speak to minority participation in

1395
02:00:55,890 --> 02:00:59,730
future businesses that may occupy the site. In terms of economic benefit

1396
02:00:59,730 --> 02:01:06,530
there are two factors that we look at with every case. One is the

1397
02:01:06,530 --> 02:01:14,750
is the jobs proximity index. So in terms of the residents of a new structure here would see some

1398
02:01:14,750 --> 02:01:21,950
economic benefit of having reduced costs for their transportation because of all the other options

1399
02:01:22,550 --> 02:01:26,210
that are available to them walking, biking, taking a scooter, taking the bus.

1400
02:01:27,030 --> 02:01:34,430
That's one. The other economic benefit is the very high job proximity index. Folks who live

1401
02:01:34,430 --> 02:01:42,450
in this site we'll be able to walk, bike, or take a bus to a job in downtown

1402
02:01:42,450 --> 02:01:48,910
whether that's a job in an office or a job in a restaurant. Any job downtown is

1403
02:01:48,910 --> 02:01:56,010
a very large job center for the city. It is the city's central business

1404
02:01:56,010 --> 02:02:01,290
district. So if you live in this location then you will have economic

1405
02:02:01,290 --> 02:02:06,810
benefit of proximity with the owner of the project be willing to put minority

1406
02:02:06,810 --> 02:02:12,230
participation goals on this project as a condition.

1407
02:02:16,700 --> 02:02:17,840
Commissioner I think that's

1408
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:21,720
something that my client is definitely interested in exploring at the time of

1409
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:26,800
permit approval. We talked about this specifically and the possibility of how

1410
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:31,560
could you craft an enforceable condition relative to minority business

1411
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:35,600
participation at part of the zoning stage and it's really tough to do I

1412
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:36,940
I think from an enforceability standpoint,

1413
02:02:37,120 --> 02:02:39,000
I'll lean on the staff to answer that question.

1414
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:41,420
But Raleigh Development Company is just that.

1415
02:02:41,540 --> 02:02:42,680
They're Raleigh Development Company.

1416
02:02:42,820 --> 02:02:44,660
They've been in this area for a long time.

1417
02:02:44,740 --> 02:02:47,140
They care deeply about the area that they're invested in

1418
02:02:47,140 --> 02:02:49,280
and they're absolutely gonna be looking for opportunities

1419
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:51,800
to engage minority contractors in the process.

1420
02:02:52,620 --> 02:02:56,300
I don't think that would be a zoning condition

1421
02:02:56,300 --> 02:02:59,040
could staff or the attorney comment

1422
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:00,980
on whether that would even be

1423
02:03:00,980 --> 02:03:02,580
an appropriate zoning condition.

1424
02:03:06,650 --> 02:03:10,910
This is the first time I've heard about that condition. I'd probably have to look

1425
02:03:10,910 --> 02:03:12,710
into it and get back to you. I

1426
02:03:15,370 --> 02:03:17,810
have a question for the community. I want to ask

1427
02:03:17,810 --> 02:03:22,290
one more question. We don't typically question the public, but you can go ahead

1428
02:03:22,290 --> 02:03:25,190
and ask a question and if staff or the applicant can answer it.

1429
02:03:28,070 --> 02:03:30,050
Typically that's Commissioner

1430
02:03:33,730 --> 02:03:36,630
Fox. Commissioner Fox, Commissioner Burnett, I'm sorry.

1431
02:03:36,630 --> 02:03:43,470
Yeah, I just wanted to know, although there are always ways to make a project better, I'm

1432
02:03:43,470 --> 02:03:48,090
not finding any inconsistencies with adopted plans and policies.

1433
02:03:48,930 --> 02:03:52,810
So for that reason, I'm ready to support this at the appropriate time.

1434
02:03:53,170 --> 02:03:54,350
Thank you, Commissioner Flux.

1435
02:03:54,750 --> 02:03:55,330
Commissioner Burnett.

1436
02:03:55,790 --> 02:03:57,490
This is a question for the applicant.

1437
02:03:58,250 --> 02:04:01,990
Just regarding what would you say to the neighboring, I guess, you know, residents,

1438
02:04:01,990 --> 02:04:06,870
business owners, restaurant owners, and so on and so forth, how this would be a benefit

1439
02:04:06,870 --> 02:04:10,410
to the community, their businesses, and just the community at whole.

1440
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:16,740
Yeah. Again, as has been touched on a number of times, Commissioner Burnett, locating density

1441
02:04:16,740 --> 02:04:23,580
in an area like this that is planned for increased multimodal access, but certainly

1442
02:04:23,580 --> 02:04:29,460
already what exists today is walkable access to the businesses along Glenwood South.

1443
02:04:29,620 --> 02:04:32,800
There's certainly walkable and bikeable access down to Union Station to get

1444
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:37,680
people out and around. And so without a doubt having density of this type in this location

1445
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:42,600
in an area that is already starting to really grow into something unique and interesting,

1446
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:47,980
I think can only help continue to grow the businesses that you're seeing not only pop

1447
02:04:47,980 --> 02:04:51,940
up that have been at Glenwood South, but also at Smokey Hollow and other places in proximity.

1448
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:58,820
Any questions or comments? Commissioner O'Haver?

1449
02:05:01,710 --> 02:05:06,730
I'm not sure if this is for the applicant or for staff, but can somebody help me understand

1450
02:05:06,730 --> 02:05:15,550
the intent of adding 20 additional feet to both zones if the primary street is

1451
02:05:15,550 --> 02:05:21,550
P Street versus West Street. I know that's 20 feet. We're talking about 240,

1452
02:05:21,970 --> 02:05:25,950
but I'm just trying to understand what the intent of that is. We're going from

1453
02:05:25,950 --> 02:05:29,510
12 to 25. That's pretty significant. So I'm trying to understand what two

1454
02:05:29,510 --> 02:05:33,550
additional stories if P Street's primary. So I don't know if that came

1455
02:05:33,550 --> 02:05:36,650
from the applicant or staff, but I'm a little confused by that.

1456
02:05:36,910 --> 02:05:37,370
That's fair.

1457
02:05:37,750 --> 02:05:42,470
That absolutely came from us as the applicant team, and it really depends upon, as was discussed

1458
02:05:42,470 --> 02:05:47,210
during the staff's presentation, whether West Street or P Street ends up being the

1459
02:05:47,210 --> 02:05:47,890
primary street.

1460
02:05:48,530 --> 02:05:53,530
Our goal is to make sure that from on the northern portion of the site that 240 feet

1461
02:05:53,530 --> 02:05:56,130
is going to be measured from West Street.

1462
02:05:56,630 --> 02:06:00,910
And so if West Street is designated as the primary street for the development of that

1463
02:06:00,910 --> 02:06:05,290
portion of the development then it will be 240 feet. There's 20 feet of grade

1464
02:06:05,290 --> 02:06:09,970
change roughly from west to east as you make your way left or right. So west to

1465
02:06:09,970 --> 02:06:13,930
east there's 20 feet of grade change as you head down. So that 20 feet is just

1466
02:06:13,930 --> 02:06:18,150
really recognizing the fact that if we end up having P Street designated as

1467
02:06:18,150 --> 02:06:22,290
the primary street, de facto it's going to increase the building height by 20

1468
02:06:22,290 --> 02:06:25,110
feet because it's now being measured from the low point of the site

1469
02:06:25,110 --> 02:06:26,610
rather than the high point of the site.

1470
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:34,600
That makes sense. Struggling with

1471
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:39,700
it a little bit, 20 feet, if it's primary amount. I think again, I think you're asking

1472
02:06:39,700 --> 02:06:41,280
for a significant increase here.

1473
02:06:43,540 --> 02:06:46,680
Let me just process that for a minute. I totally understand

1474
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:51,240
technically what you're talking about, but I'm hung up on that a little bit.

1475
02:06:51,540 --> 02:06:54,860
That's fair. And to further explain it, really the intent behind that was to provide

1476
02:06:55,360 --> 02:06:59,360
predictability associated with building heights. As you're aware, a 30-story building,

1477
02:06:59,940 --> 02:07:04,520
residential, commercial, you know, office can vary wildly. And so one of the things coming

1478
02:07:04,520 --> 02:07:08,040
into this process in order to provide the transitions that we've talked about, one of

1479
02:07:08,040 --> 02:07:11,440
the things that was important for Raleigh Development Company, was providing predictability

1480
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:15,240
associated with what are those building heights going to be. And so when we started

1481
02:07:15,240 --> 02:07:22,420
the process, we committed to doing 360 feet along kind of the corner, the zone two,

1482
02:07:22,780 --> 02:07:28,360
if you will, and then 240 feet in this location here. As we were working our way

1483
02:07:28,360 --> 02:07:32,120
through the process, we realized that could be measured from two different places, which

1484
02:07:32,120 --> 02:07:37,020
is why we ended up having that 20-foot variation because we wanted it to be clear to everyone

1485
02:07:37,020 --> 02:07:42,680
without any doubt that 240 feet is measured from West Street and that 360 feet is measured

1486
02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:47,220
from the corner of West and Peace. Really, just to provide those transitions to the

1487
02:07:47,220 --> 02:07:49,600
neighbors who have expressed concerns associated with building height.

1488
02:07:51,730 --> 02:07:55,790
So regardless of the primary street, why can't that be a condition that the building

1489
02:07:55,790 --> 02:07:57,350
height is measured from West Street?

1490
02:08:00,890 --> 02:08:03,310
Yeah, so thank you for the question.

1491
02:08:04,630 --> 02:08:11,590
Where building height is measured from is dictated in the unified development ordinance.

1492
02:08:12,030 --> 02:08:17,790
And zoning conditions can't alter how things are measured, basically, is the short answer.

1493
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:20,810
How or where, for example.

1494
02:08:21,290 --> 02:08:25,490
So they set up some scenario to account for that in the zoning conditions.

1495
02:08:25,490 --> 02:08:26,550
Does

1496
02:08:28,700 --> 02:08:30,960
that address your question? Commissioner Haber?

1497
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:32,700
Yes, ma'am. Thank you.

1498
02:08:35,410 --> 02:08:38,350
Questions, comments? Other? Commissioner Miller?

1499
02:08:38,670 --> 02:08:41,330
One final comment. Just wanted to, not a question.

1500
02:08:42,030 --> 02:08:47,270
There's been a lot of discussion about the benefit to the businesses and to transit and the walkability.

1501
02:08:47,750 --> 02:08:52,970
I just wanted to also note similarly to when this case came up to us previously,

1502
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:57,210
the benefit to the park as well, being immediately adjacent.

1503
02:08:57,210 --> 02:09:03,590
we've heard time and again a park is as successful as its edges. I too would have been interested

1504
02:09:03,590 --> 02:09:10,450
in more retail or a shopfront urban form designation, those kind of things along the line. Maybe

1505
02:09:10,450 --> 02:09:14,750
that's something that the applicant can still think about when it terms in terms of putting

1506
02:09:14,750 --> 02:09:20,350
in retail. But I am encouraged and look forward to seeing how this positive impacts the park

1507
02:09:20,350 --> 02:09:20,630
as well.

1508
02:09:24,350 --> 02:09:29,190
Commissioner O'Haver, are you reaching? Sorry, procedural question. Is this the first

1509
02:09:29,190 --> 02:09:33,190
First bite of the cherry or is there an opportunity to change these ordinance?

1510
02:09:33,330 --> 02:09:35,250
I know we've seen this case before, but.

1511
02:09:35,390 --> 02:09:35,970
No, we haven't.

1512
02:09:36,090 --> 02:09:38,710
This is the first time we're seeing this particular.

1513
02:09:39,110 --> 02:09:45,310
So there is an opportunity to request that the applicant reconsider some of the conditions

1514
02:09:45,890 --> 02:09:46,370
procedurally.

1515
02:09:47,070 --> 02:09:47,250
Okay.

1516
02:09:47,390 --> 02:09:47,650
Thank you.

1517
02:09:48,330 --> 02:09:52,210
Are there conditions that you would like them to consider or reconsider?

1518
02:09:53,530 --> 02:09:58,750
Well, I've heard a couple comments from commissioners about shopfront, which I think I agree

1519
02:09:58,750 --> 02:09:59,030
with.

1520
02:10:01,710 --> 02:10:05,430
I can probably be convinced, but I'm still hung up a little bit on 20 feet. I don't

1521
02:10:06,030 --> 02:10:12,010
know where Jason went, but a little bit in the weeds. I agree with Commissioner Miller.

1522
02:10:12,210 --> 02:10:18,290
I appreciate the 15,000 square feet. A lot of times, technically, these projects downtown

1523
02:10:18,290 --> 02:10:24,130
are required to provide open space, but due to the technicality of it, it's really

1524
02:10:24,130 --> 02:10:31,190
not usable. So that commitment to do a 15,000 square foot open space, I appreciate very much

1525
02:10:31,190 --> 02:10:37,230
again addressing the park. But it sounds like there might be a couple of items that could

1526
02:10:37,230 --> 02:10:41,630
be critical to some of the commissioners. I'm not sure what their thoughts are.

1527
02:10:41,830 --> 02:10:45,770
I'm happy to clarify that. I look forward to seeing how this intersects with the park.

1528
02:10:46,130 --> 02:10:51,350
But I believe it was both Commissioner Otwell and Fox that I think to me really stated

1529
02:10:51,350 --> 02:11:06,190
that while there a case can always perhaps be a little better on some of the details the core issues for me with respect to consistency with the comp plan are there and I'm comfortable supporting this project as is.

1530
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:17,740
Other commissioners are there conditions that you wanted the applicant to consider or reconsider or are you ready to vote?

1531
02:11:21,450 --> 02:11:24,530
I think that this being the first time we're hearing about it it is an

1532
02:11:24,530 --> 02:11:29,790
opportunity for there to be other conditions added to this project just to

1533
02:11:29,790 --> 02:11:33,850
make sure that community and the council I mean the Commission is

1534
02:11:33,850 --> 02:11:37,190
comfortable with it. Do you have specific conditions that you would like?

1535
02:11:37,290 --> 02:11:40,850
No I actually was listening to what Commissioner Atwater was saying and I

1536
02:11:40,850 --> 02:11:45,790
agree with him about the height and making sure that getting out the

1537
02:11:45,790 --> 02:11:49,530
weeds of the height of the project but also the Commission is willing to

1538
02:11:49,530 --> 02:11:56,030
I'm sorry, but also if the Commission is willing to vote on this today, I'm willing to do that too.

1539
02:11:56,210 --> 02:12:07,310
Okay. So to be clear, would you like to have the applicant do something with that condition and bring it back to us?

1540
02:12:10,450 --> 02:12:17,950
I think if that's the only issue that's left on the table coming from me, I think that can be addressed in further conversations with Council.

1541
02:12:18,570 --> 02:12:23,630
I think that the benefit to the public, I think it's reasonable in the public interest.

1542
02:12:23,830 --> 02:12:27,870
There are no inconsistencies with this particular application.

1543
02:12:29,250 --> 02:12:31,670
Matthew did a great job spelling all that out.

1544
02:12:31,830 --> 02:12:34,170
It's hard to kind of argue with anything that he presented there.

1545
02:12:34,750 --> 02:12:37,570
I think we asked really good questions that staff were able to answer.

1546
02:12:39,050 --> 02:12:45,250
All that being said, I think I'm comfortable moving forward with the application as

1547
02:12:45,250 --> 02:12:46,810
it is and recommending approval.

1548
02:12:46,810 --> 02:12:53,830
In that case, I will entertain a motion. Commissioner Otwell.

1549
02:12:55,210 --> 02:13:00,450
With regards to Z-1225, I move to recommend adoption of the proposed consistency statement

1550
02:13:00,450 --> 02:13:05,830
dated August 12, 2025, contained in the agenda materials, and to recommend approval of

1551
02:13:05,830 --> 02:13:06,410
the zoning amendment.

1552
02:13:07,170 --> 02:13:07,550
Second.

1553
02:13:08,390 --> 02:13:13,030
Commissioner Otwell has made a motion for approval. Commissioner Fox has seconded the motion.

1554
02:13:13,030 --> 02:13:22,290
is there any further discussion? If not, all in favor? All opposed? Motion carries

1555
02:13:22,290 --> 02:13:27,270
9-0. Thank you all very much. Thank you to the public for coming out and

1556
02:13:27,270 --> 02:13:28,110
providing your comments.

1557
02:13:32,740 --> 02:13:37,780
That concludes new business. It's 11-15. Does anyone have

1558
02:13:37,780 --> 02:13:40,320
to leave like the next 15 minutes?

1559
02:13:42,750 --> 02:13:43,410
All right.

1560
02:13:50,500 --> 02:13:54,000
Next up, we'll wait for everyone

1561
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:54,500
to leave.

1562
02:14:04,620 --> 02:14:11,780
Next up is the report of the chair. So welcome back everyone. It's

1563
02:14:11,780 --> 02:14:18,680
good to see you all. Just one reminder to use the Planning Commission email

1564
02:14:18,680 --> 02:14:24,180
address if you're going to be absent from a meeting because that copies

1565
02:14:24,180 --> 02:14:28,980
Bynam and Shanita so then everyone is in the know. I failed to announce at

1566
02:14:28,980 --> 02:14:34,140
the beginning of this meeting that Commissioner Shelburne had let us know he wouldn't be here.

1567
02:14:34,360 --> 02:14:42,560
So he is excused today. The other order of business is our committees. I believe I touched

1568
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:49,020
base with all of you, either in person, we talked on the phone or I sent a text message.

1569
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Find them. Do you have this cheat for everybody? Okay. I am going to let you know.

1570
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,960
Strategic planning, text change, infrastructure and mobility, which is fairly inactive unless

1571
02:15:05,960 --> 02:15:10,700
something specific comes up on that one. You'll be assigned to it, but that one rarely meets.

1572
02:15:11,120 --> 02:15:16,240
And then committee of the whole, as you know, is all of us. We'll get in touch with you about

1573
02:15:16,240 --> 02:15:20,800
when the committees will meet right now. Just note your assignment. Strategic planning.

1574
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:29,660
Commissioner Miller is the Chair. The members are myself, Commissioner Burnett, Commissioner

1575
02:15:29,660 --> 02:15:36,840
Cochran, and Commissioner Shelburne. Text Change Committee, Chair is Commissioner Otwell.

1576
02:15:38,380 --> 02:15:44,700
Members are Commissioner Fox, Commissioners Neptune, O'Haver, and Omacaya.

1577
02:15:46,780 --> 02:15:47,740
Infrastructure

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02:15:47,740 --> 02:15:56,360
and Mobility. Chair is Commissioner Cochran. Members are commissioners Bennett, Neptune,

1579
02:15:56,940 --> 02:16:05,880
Omakaya, and Ottwell. And then again, Committee of the Whole is everyone. Find them. Do we

1580
02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:11,960
want to stick with the times that are set for right now? So I was going to say we'll

1581
02:16:11,960 --> 02:16:16,460
publish this information on the Planning Commission webpage. It'll also appear in

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02:16:16,460 --> 02:16:24,140
minutes next time as part of the direct the chairs report and then we do have set

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02:16:24,140 --> 02:16:28,560
standing times for all of the committee meetings and if you wanted to I can

1584
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:35,500
stay with those that would be great okay so and then you make changes yeah

1585
02:16:35,500 --> 02:16:43,440
advise so strategic planning currently meets second Wednesday at four text

1586
02:16:43,440 --> 02:16:47,380
Change currently meets third Wednesday at four.

1587
02:16:49,780 --> 02:16:51,600
Infrastructure and mobility, which

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02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:59,400
again is inactive, meets fourth Thursday at three. Committee of the whole meets

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02:16:59,400 --> 02:17:06,060
fourth Thursday at four. So I'll leave it up to the chairs and the members if

1590
02:17:06,060 --> 02:17:09,980
you need to change those. If not, we'll stick with those standing times. I

1591
02:17:09,980 --> 02:17:13,820
believe the only committee that is set to meet this month is Committee of

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02:17:13,820 --> 02:17:18,980
the whole? Is it a text change committee? Oh, it's text change. I'm sorry. Text change.

1593
02:17:20,660 --> 02:17:25,940
And again, that's Commissioner Ottwell. So he'll be in touch with you all. Please let

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02:17:25,940 --> 02:17:31,460
your chair know if you will not be available for a committee meeting, because as you see,

1595
02:17:31,540 --> 02:17:35,140
those are much smaller. So it's important to have quorum.

1596
02:17:38,200 --> 02:17:43,600
And that is it for my report. We'll just go down the line for the report of the

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02:17:43,600 --> 02:17:45,520
members. Hi.

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02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:52,040
As noted committee of the whole generally meets the 4th Thursday of

1599
02:17:52,040 --> 02:17:56,060
the month which would have been September 25th however there are no

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02:17:56,060 --> 02:18:01,640
items. There's no items for August so we're projecting the September 25th as a

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02:18:01,640 --> 02:18:05,680
maybe. There may be an item but there are no items listed at this time. So no

1602
02:18:05,680 --> 02:18:10,360
August meeting. Thank you. I apologize I did no no August committee. No August

1603
02:18:10,360 --> 02:18:15,360
meeting. I did not announce that Commissioner Fox is chair of committee

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02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:20,060
of the whole as vice chair of the planning commission. I'm sorry, I apologize for the

1605
02:18:20,060 --> 02:18:27,040
slight. There's no slight, we're good. Commissioner Otwell. Thank you Chair Bennett

1606
02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:31,240
and to all the wonderful folks now on the text change committee we do have a

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02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:35,620
meeting coming up this month August 20th. It'll be in the Raleigh Municipal

1608
02:18:35,620 --> 02:18:41,180
Building Room 305. We're going to talk about RHDC updates and Greenway

1609
02:18:41,180 --> 02:18:44,760
amendments. Those are already on the portal so we can start reading about them.

1610
02:18:44,760 --> 02:18:52,180
I do want to offer a clarification. The RHDC text change will be in front of the

1611
02:18:52,180 --> 02:18:57,320
I'm sorry the preservation text change TC324 will be in front of RHDC on the

1612
02:18:57,320 --> 02:19:01,920
10th of September and won't come to text change committee until the 17th

1613
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:05,780
but you will discuss Greenway TC325.

1614
02:19:06,140 --> 02:19:09,560
It's confusing because they're both TC3 from two different years.

1615
02:19:10,940 --> 02:19:13,820
Excellent. We look forward to having a Greenway discussion.

1616
02:19:14,880 --> 02:19:17,560
Do you want to try to get, see if you have quorum right now?

1617
02:19:17,980 --> 02:19:22,060
Does anybody know if they will be unavailable to meet at 4pm on

1618
02:19:22,060 --> 02:19:27,640
August 20th? I can confirm. Availability

1619
02:19:27,640 --> 02:19:31,690
on August 20th. 4 o'clock.

1620
02:19:31,690 --> 02:19:32,030
One more.

1621
02:19:32,570 --> 02:19:33,830
We only need three of the five.

1622
02:19:35,610 --> 02:19:36,570
I think you have three.

1623
02:19:36,790 --> 02:19:37,570
Oh, all right.

1624
02:19:39,930 --> 02:19:41,070
OK, Commissioner Neptune.

1625
02:19:41,790 --> 02:19:42,930
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1626
02:19:43,350 --> 02:19:46,030
Just a brief note of gratitude to our colleagues and staff.

1627
02:19:46,270 --> 02:19:48,810
Over the last month, I had the privilege

1628
02:19:48,810 --> 02:19:53,130
of working and coordinating with Bynum and Sarah,

1629
02:19:53,290 --> 02:19:55,850
I would say Shaughnessy, and others in our planning

1630
02:19:55,850 --> 02:19:56,810
and development department.

1631
02:19:57,010 --> 02:19:59,810
They came through with a city block building activity

1632
02:19:59,810 --> 02:20:04,310
for a larger public event involving our mayor and a conversation around growth and development

1633
02:20:04,310 --> 02:20:08,910
in the city. And I just really appreciated our colleagues and staff being there with

1634
02:20:08,910 --> 02:20:14,190
this block building activity. We also had colleagues from City Transportation who

1635
02:20:14,190 --> 02:20:20,130
were present, so I just, you know, won't recall everyone's names at this immediate

1636
02:20:20,130 --> 02:20:23,650
moment in time, but I'm deeply grateful for everybody who was present for the event

1637
02:20:23,650 --> 02:20:29,030
engaging with our larger public. So thank you to our colleagues on planning and development

1638
02:20:29,030 --> 02:20:31,830
and transportation staff. Deeply appreciate all of you.

1639
02:20:33,230 --> 02:20:34,070
Mr. Cochran?

1640
02:20:35,090 --> 02:20:39,270
I just wanted to say thank you for trusting me with the Infrastructure and Mobility Committee.

1641
02:20:39,870 --> 02:20:44,070
I look forward to maybe having a meeting this year and learning what it does.

1642
02:20:47,630 --> 02:20:48,590
No reports.

1643
02:20:51,420 --> 02:20:56,240
No reports, but I hope everybody had a great break. We had an awesome time at lunch,

1644
02:20:56,840 --> 02:21:00,380
which was wonderful. So I am glad I have had the opportunity to get a chance to

1645
02:21:00,380 --> 02:21:03,420
get to know the commissioners more and I look forward to more of those opportunities in the

1646
02:21:03,420 --> 02:21:03,640
future.

1647
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:05,680
Commissioner Miller.

1648
02:21:07,480 --> 02:21:12,140
The Strategic Planning Committee has no items on the agenda to my knowledge and will not

1649
02:21:12,140 --> 02:21:13,060
meet in August.

1650
02:21:14,180 --> 02:21:17,520
And well done on the first, do you have a first meeting?

1651
02:21:17,660 --> 02:21:18,080
Thank you.

1652
02:21:18,280 --> 02:21:19,640
Thank you very much.

1653
02:21:20,820 --> 02:21:21,800
Commissioner O'Haver.

1654
02:21:23,060 --> 02:21:27,660
I always say I like to go last, but Blaney took my thunder on that one.

1655
02:21:28,040 --> 02:21:28,640
Nice job.

1656
02:21:29,360 --> 02:21:33,800
I'm unfortunately not available on the Planning Commission meeting on the 26th.

1657
02:21:36,420 --> 02:21:38,840
Email us for the record.

1658
02:21:42,150 --> 02:21:45,570
Now we will turn to the report of the Assistant Director.

1659
02:21:50,500 --> 02:21:52,400
You've all noticed we have a new agenda system.

1660
02:21:53,560 --> 02:21:55,360
Nice job jumping in the pool.

1661
02:21:55,980 --> 02:21:58,820
First meeting back. Appreciate you all rolling with it.

1662
02:22:01,260 --> 02:22:03,120
Busy meeting coming up on the 26th.

1663
02:22:03,780 --> 02:22:05,020
A lot of new business there.

1664
02:22:05,020 --> 02:22:10,480
expected and I don't think I have anything else. Thank you for your support.

1665
02:22:11,180 --> 02:22:16,560
I've done it on a first meeting. Thank you. Any other business?

1666
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:25,310
Did you get an

1667
02:22:25,310 --> 02:22:30,950
email with the agenda? If you click on that link it'll take you to the agenda

1668
02:22:30,950 --> 02:22:35,510
and each case has a link. I can say a little bit more about the agenda if you

1669
02:22:36,610 --> 02:22:44,410
visit the council boards and agendas page which you all get a link to as I

1670
02:22:44,410 --> 02:22:46,770
understand it the planning commission distribution list is now working properly

1671
02:22:46,770 --> 02:22:51,930
for everyone who is appointed to the commission. Thank you IT. When you launch

1672
02:22:51,930 --> 02:22:57,370
that agenda there are blue titles and when you click on that on the right

1673
02:22:57,370 --> 02:23:01,910
hand side of the page you will see all the attachments pop up and you can see

1674
02:23:01,910 --> 02:23:08,810
like the staff presentation, the staff report, the engagement report. There are,

1675
02:23:09,150 --> 02:23:14,490
what else is there, so many pieces of business. Consistency statement for

1676
02:23:14,490 --> 02:23:21,330
approval or denial. So all those pieces would be there for you. You

1677
02:23:26,580 --> 02:23:27,100
can also get

1678
02:23:27,100 --> 02:23:30,120
there from the Planning Commission webpage if you visit RaleighNC.gov

1679
02:23:30,120 --> 02:23:37,620
slash planning dash commission Cassidy one of our helpful city clerks is here

1680
02:23:37,620 --> 02:23:42,700
and I think gonna show you a little demo while she's doing that I have a quick

1681
02:23:42,700 --> 02:23:48,680
question for staff is it Margaret Tartala in the audience I think it was I

1682
02:23:48,680 --> 02:23:51,460
just want to I just I recognize her I just I couldn't immediately remember

1683
02:23:51,460 --> 02:23:54,460
her name but our colleague I think from city transportation Margaret

1684
02:23:54,460 --> 02:23:58,580
Tartala was the one with us at this event with you know planning and

1685
02:23:58,580 --> 02:24:02,960
developments. I just want to recognize, I see her. And now I just remember your name.

1686
02:24:03,100 --> 02:24:06,400
So it's, again, thank you, Margaret Tartala, for being there with us.

1687
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:06,800
Yeah.

1688
02:24:10,730 --> 02:24:14,950
I'm sorry, this is unplanned. But just for this, since this is new for the sake

1689
02:24:14,950 --> 02:24:21,450
of everybody, you'll see from the Planning Commission page there's a link to upcoming

1690
02:24:21,450 --> 02:24:26,730
Board and Commission meetings, which has agenda in minutes. As Planning Commission

1691
02:24:26,730 --> 02:24:31,510
is the first and only at this point board to be moved over to the new system.

1692
02:24:32,710 --> 02:24:40,010
It's the only one listed here and you will see PDF, HTML, the video which this is a good

1693
02:24:40,010 --> 02:24:44,130
example of the HTML which I would probably recommend if you're following along in the

1694
02:24:44,130 --> 02:24:49,150
meeting because it has the video over to the side after the fact you know that'll

1695
02:24:49,150 --> 02:24:53,990
be time stamps so people can click the item that they're interested in it will pull

1696
02:24:53,990 --> 02:25:00,550
up over to the side. If you click the item, as Bina mentioned, it'll list all the attachments

1697
02:25:00,550 --> 02:25:05,890
here that you can click. So this is the HTML view in my opinion is kind of the nice cohesive

1698
02:25:06,730 --> 02:25:13,950
view of everything. So not an e-scribe expert, but that's probably the best way to

1699
02:25:13,950 --> 02:25:21,670
call along. Thank you. Anything else? If not, we're adjourned.