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Welcome back from our hiatus, and we have a work session on youth engagement, and of course, the curfew. Jonathan Lambert Melton will be 30 minutes late. If we can note that in the minutes, and then I will invite up, Ken Pistler of Raleigh Parks, Taisha Mosley of Community Engagement and Amanda Roll of the Police Department. Good morning.

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I'm going to be a joint presentation so you will see multiple faces here at the podium.

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I am just getting a started.

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Everyone will be available for questions on their specific programs as we wrap up.

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So today we will talk a little bit about context.

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We'll discuss briefly our current programs.

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We'll spend some time talking about the engagement efforts that took place this summer and

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then next steps.

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When you think about youth engagement as a whole across our organization, it's primarily

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based in three departments, community engagement, rally parks, and the rally police department.

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These three departments have continuously and regularly worked collaboratively to identify

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ways to elevate youth voices.

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We've done things prior to the events that took place in July, like develop a youth services

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division in the community engagement department.

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The Raleigh Police Department has created a community impact and engagement division.

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We're having conversations with Raleigh Parks about reimagining what the Raleigh Youth Council

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looks like.

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And then most recently we've enhanced our centralized web page for youth services, which is shown

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here and what that does is create a one-stop shop for all things related to teens and young

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people. It's a starting point to learn what those opportunities are from arts, community,

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workforce development, et cetera.

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For the purpose of today's presentation with my colleagues,

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we're going to be talking about youth. So you'll hear that and we're referring to individuals that are

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are individuals that are elementary school age.

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Your heels talk about teens.

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We're thinking more high school

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and then young adults over the age of 18.

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So you'll hear that throughout the presentation.

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So in the youth area across all three departments,

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we have programs like AmeriCorps, Fostogram Parents,

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which is where we have individuals over the age of 55,

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volunteer in local elementary schools

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and daycare centers.

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The Parks and Recreation Department does a wonderful job

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of identifying out-of-school time across all of those programs that you see on the screen,

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the Raleigh Police Department having Raleigh Youth Summer Camps, their leadership program,

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and mentorship opportunities.

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Our current programming around teens within the community engagement

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department, I'm going to start with Raleigh Summer Youth Employment Program, which a lot of people

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are familiar with, and when you think about it, it's inception in 1983 was young people

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working in community centers over the summer.

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And I just wanted to take a moment to point out the growth in the program since then.

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So within summer use, they do additional programming with young people.

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We've had two minutes to help some of it.

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Job readiness training, which is open to anybody who even wants to apply to Raleigh Summer

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Youth, walking them through the application process there.

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Several professional development opportunities and some may not know that Raleigh Summer Youth

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also has a virtual pathway.

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So, teenagers are able to work virtually with local businesses like York Properties or nonprofits like the Garner Road Community Center.

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There, they tackle real-world challenges that the businesses identify and a part of their job is proposing a solution at the end of their summer.

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We also have our digital impact program and both the connectors and the ambassadors work to bridge the digital divide.

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they pass out computers, soloic and families,

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they host programs like advice about a device

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where anyone can bring their cell phone computer iPad

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and have the young people help them problem-solve.

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And with that, I am going to turn it over to my colleague,

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Ken Hissler, and Raleigh Parks.

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Good morning.

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Ken Hissler, Assistant Director, Raleigh Parks.

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Glad to be here with you today.

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A nice little transition as we think about the collaboration

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the TASHA just talked about is that Raleigh Summer Youth Employment

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program for those who may not be where a lot of those kids come and work with us.

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So they're in our summer camps, they're working in our park operations.

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So it's a great example of how our two groups work together.

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Now as typical in some of my slides have a lot of information here, a lot of data to look

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at.

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But what I want to do today is talk about a couple of things that you're going to see in

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there.

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And one, is this is data that we can pull out of our registration system.

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What it doesn't capture is all of that self-directed passive use of our greenway trails, our outdoor

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where courts are our disc golf courses and those other opportunities that people have

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to recreate within our spaces.

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The other thing I do want to draw attention to is things like I want to put in there's

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contact hours and also connection.

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So contact hours are how often do we have those teams in our programs and then how frequently

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are they interacting in our programs.

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What I did want to draw attention to is a couple things and as Taneesh talked about at

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a school times really important to Raleigh Park so when that school bell ends what are

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of the opportunities that we have for both our youth,

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our teens, and we'll talk a little bit about adults

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in a minute.

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So two of those is our out of school time includes

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our camps, our specialty camps, our traditional camp,

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and our after school programs.

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What we want to do is make sure those are geographically

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represented, and our after school programs spread out

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across Raleigh, but we also want to make sure they have

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an opportunity to get into different things.

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So when we get into our specialty camps,

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we're talking about things like entrepreneur camps.

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You guys may have remembered right before you broke

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for the summer.

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We had a bunch of teens that went here learning

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about what government looks like.

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Do you want to be in a job with RTN, or we even had them out at our greenhouse?

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So we're looking at those opportunities that the youth, the teens, want to be able to

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learn more about skilled trades.

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Entrepreneur Camp, we had them over to ironworks.

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What does it look like to start a small business in Raleigh?

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The other one I wanted to draw your attention to is our Raleigh Teen Connect program.

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It's a membership where our teens can come in and they get opportunities for additional

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exposures.

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An example of that is having the opportunity to go to our pools as part of our after-school

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program.

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We do believe that basic learn to swim programs and just provides them the access to do it.

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The other ones are bringing in special speakers that may speak to a trade, that you speak

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to a skill, something that is more of their interest.

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The other thing I want you to make sure that I'm saying, we're really fortunate in Raleigh

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Parks that we do have program area phase focus groups talking like teens and youth, but really

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the conduit is all of our general programming.

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You'll see at the bottom of that slide is our general program offerings.

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Those are the ones that are just, it's martial arts, it's arts, it's cultural, it's

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history, those are all the things that happen through the 50 buildings that we have within

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Raleigh Parks, and then on top of that we have our athletic programs, those are our leagues

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and things, and then don't forget about our passes. So what we do is we have lots of opportunity

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for open play, can you come use the fitness center, can you just go drop into the pool to be able

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to do some things. So what we're able to show here is kind of that holistic when the school bell ends,

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how do we provide opportunities for our teams? And with that I will turn it over to my colleague

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with Rye Police Department.

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The morning.

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I'm a man to roll with the Rally Police Department.

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I oversee our community impact and engagement division.

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Our division was created in October 2025, and the purpose was to bring all of our youth

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facing and supportive services, including school resource officers, our community officers,

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our volunteers, our crossing guards, as well as our mentors, under one umbrella for unity

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of delivery as well as command.

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Our approach in the Raleigh Police Department has been with our teens and young adults to provide opportunities for exposure.

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Exposure with our cadet program.

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Our cadet program includes young people 14 to 20 years old ongoing across the entire year.

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And in the last three years we've had 24 cadets.

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The program gives these young people an opportunity to see a light version of the police academy.

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So they're exposed to the physical challenges of law enforcement as well as doing ride-alongs and actually seeing real-life situations.

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They include team building, physical fitness, as well as community service projects.

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Should we be on a different level?

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Well, if we can kind of help you get, I'm trying to take the chief to say, hey, do we have slides for this?

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I thought he clicked it.

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Okay, sorry guys. She was on a roll.

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I was. I was like, you're literally.

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That's our young adults, so that's the exposure piece.

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The next piece is the application piece.

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Application comes when we take young adults in our criminal justice and other related

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majors from colleges as well as trade schools, and we pay them to work as paid in terms

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over the course of their school year.

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As they are earning that credit, they are also having opportunities to ride along with

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officers, gain some specialized insight into what it's like to be an officer, as well

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as working with our detective division.

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What's unique about our internship program is that, at the beginning, chief voice directs

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them all, that they are to be ambassadors, there's not only represent wrongly police, but

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also embrace the fact that they are now part of our family, and we hope that they will go

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back and share their positive experiences with their colleagues, with their other college

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to really debunk some of the myths about law enforcement and bridge that gap or to divide

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between those age groups.

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At the end of their internship, they present to our command and our executive staff

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a very short presentation, but it's how did they apply?

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That's the application peak.

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What theories did they learn in college and how did they see it play out?

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How were they able to make that application in real time, in real life?

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The other purpose of our college internship is to lead them into a career in public safety.

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To date, we've had 18% of our police recruits converted to actual police hires.

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So we've hired 19 of our 104 interns in the past three years.

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With that, I'll turn it back over.

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All right, so Raleigh Parks doesn't just stop programming once you graduate from high school.

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actually pride ourselves on greater degree programming.

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What I want to talk about here, again, that top bullet,

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these are program offerings for our young adults ages 19 to 25.

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General programming, again, comes in there.

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A lot of our programs are situated, so adult,

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you will often find like in a martial arts program,

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you may have a 10, 12, 14 year old,

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but you must have a 35 year old.

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And so when we look at program offerings,

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they aren't always just specific for a target demographic,

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but they're looking at more of the skill that's in there.

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But what we can pull out is some information there related to our program.

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What we also recognize is once teams start to drive, it opens up new opportunities.

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So I really should have titled this slide, you can work where you play.

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And so what we have found is really a role for us is both working with NC State and our local

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colleges.

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And we have a very private work study program.

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We've worked with NC State for years on a federal work study program that brings students

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in.

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And it serves as a pipeline to what does that again look like working in local government.

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and it helps to foster a really just an opportunity to join a passion to be able to come work within the city of Raleigh and we do recognize that they may choose another municipality even though we'd rather have them there.

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Our annual internship program, we will bring in 10 to 15 students, not just NC State, we have students from across the state this year, we had them from AB State, ECU Central and of course the Wolfpack have one of the strongest parks and recreation programs in the country, but we're glad to have them here.

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But what we do is we expose them to all facets of the business.

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So they're not just camp councils and not just working in our athletics.

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They're working in meeting with our business session.

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They're having opportunities to meet with Stephen of what does it look like to run an organization as big as Raleigh Parks.

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The one that we think is pretty cool when we shared information before, that internship program has led into hiring a lot of young people. So, for a guy who's been around for a day or two, we have a young workforce 22 to 25, that we have 12 full-time employees that have graduated most of them have come through our internship program and are now full-time employees. So for me, it's like my daughter is now working with me and I'm learning how to relate with that. So the other part of that, and it's really sometimes quite interesting, but the heart of our operations are part-time staff.

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We have 1,200 part-time staff that are ages 15 to 25.

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More importantly, we're wrapping up our summer season.

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So in order to make the 15,000 campers come through,

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it takes a lot of counselors to operate a pool

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that takes a lot of lifeguards.

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650 of those part-time employees are ages 15 to 19.

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And we'd like to tell them, if you need a little money

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in your pocket throughout the year,

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come be a lifeguard, come work for us in some capacity

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and we'll find the opportunity for you to work with Rolly Parks.

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I'll hand it back over to Titian.

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All right, and wrapping up the young adult section

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in the Community Engagement Department,

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we have something that's relatively new,

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which is a pipeline from the Raleigh Summer Youth

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Employment Program to the Raleigh Summer Youth Alumni Alliance.

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And we found that important because there was a need

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to continue providing mentorship, networking,

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and programs to individuals that age

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out of Raleigh Summer Youth Employment.

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We also have our Pathways to Public Service Program

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and Community Climate Internship.

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But both are open to college, junior seniors, and recent grads.

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They work in city departments like the council office, the human resources communications,

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the community climate interns work more so in the office of sustainability, rally water.

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And we averaged about 31 participants per year across those.

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We're now going to transition over to some of our engagement efforts, and you're going

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to hear from Dr. Roll.

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This

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was an exciting summer before the Raleigh Police Department in the city of Raleigh.

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The first Friday and June is declared national gun violence awareness and prevention, and

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our mayor was kind enough to do a proclamation for us.

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That also launched an effort to highlight in orange almost everything we did.

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So if you noticed orange and wondered why we had changed our colors, it was to continuously

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We honestly promote the message about anti-gun violence and gun safety.

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We hosted Raleigh Hoop Knights the summer and we engaged 309 teens equally important.

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We engaged their families.

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Parents had an opportunity to drop their kids off at the centers and then come back, but

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they actually stayed and they also engaged with us.

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So we had an opportunity to meet them.

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Young people played basketball against our police officers and I will tell you nobody held

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back, including chief boys. There were dunks, there were rejected balls like it. It was quite it.

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Yeah, fouls, I mean hard fouls. We also used many of our command staff members served as referees.

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So this was all in. Stormy came to I think every one of them and we almost got her to play.

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That was overall a great night, you know, kids were engaged and we had doubled our numbers

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from last year.

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And on June 8th, I'm sorry, on June 9th, we hosted a something to say, teens against

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violence, Teen Hall.

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That Teen Hall was part of our summer action plan kickoff.

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What that was was an opportunity for us to collaborate with Parks and Rec.

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And to bring teens from strategic locations that we selected provided transportation and gave young people a voice.

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We used the young people to co-facilitate and we wanted to know what they had to say, not what we wanted to tell them.

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We engaged a total of 55 teens and what we saw is that that engagement carried across multiple events.

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So we started to see kids show up at other events and hoop nights had a following across the city.

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So, as far out as Lake Lynn, we had to turn out with kids that we know from Robert's Park or from Chavis Heights.

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So, overall, we had a fantastic summer and we are looking forward to next year and we'll turn this over to Taish.

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All right, that's going to pause musical chairs and to questions at the end, okay?

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I'm going to bring us home and talk about the remainder of our summer engagement.

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So you've heard about all the programs that we offer, all the initiatives that we have,

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and we do want to pause and take a moment and acknowledge that they're still very well

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maybe gaps that exist. We want to ensure that we're doing our due diligence,

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streamlining our efforts across departments to enhance programming,

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look at operational adjustments, both in community engagement,

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Raleigh Parks, Raleigh Police Department, and throughout the organization.

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So this summer we really did continue our efforts, our combined missions of meeting people

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where they are, and we began our conversations with teenagers through our team table talks.

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We had a couple of goals here and I want to practice it with saying this is just the beginning

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of this more so meaningful engagement.

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But we did want to share information about what we currently do, we wanted to understand

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how the city could better support young people and get feedback again on those gaps, programs,

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spaces, etc. We, in our partnership with Raleigh Parks, we went to several teen extreme camps.

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We engage with the virtual cohort of Raleigh Summer Youth Employment. We were grateful that

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Sage, saving adolescent girls everywhere, that's the photo there. They welcomed us into their space

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to have some thought-provoking conversations as well.

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We are also in the process of setting up meetings

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with the Boys and Girls Club, by MCA.

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If they try and go nonprofits,

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we're already doing this work.

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There are plenty of nonprofits working with young people

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throughout our city, local high schools,

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and community leaders.

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All of that is in the works,

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and we wouldn't dare try to do it just in the summer.

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So those events here,

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we had our preliminary engagement,

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include 15 touch points. So there were eight group discussions, seven table events.

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So that's us just going to national night outs or strategic places across the city,

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again, to meet people where they are, where we had a lot of conversation. And even if it wasn't

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facilitated, it was the opportunity for them to participate in our survey so we could hear more

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about what it is that we could do or focus on. We were also at Raleigh Hoot Knights and the chief,

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you know, he did a great job out there. So shout out to him. All right. So the survey, I'm going

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to talk briefly about what we heard. I do want to mention that the participants were able to

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receive or choose multiple options and this is just the top four. So this does not include everything.

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We did ask, where do you hang out? You'll see here that the top response was at a friend's house,

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the mall, movies or community center, we pose the question, what are the barriers to

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existing programs?

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Why are you interested or not interested or why may you not, why, excuse me, if you

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participate in our current programs, that's great, but if not, we're stopping you.

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And what we heard was that not close by was the top one, people not knowing what's available.

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We also heard a little bit about not having a ride, so those are the top four responses there.

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We posed a question, what's one thing you wish existed for teens and rolling?

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And I understand that we may say we already do that or we already have that.

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This is simply their perception, their lived experiences of what we offer.

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Okay? So, more ways to be heard and lead initiatives, unique spaces for teens. It says free

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and teens only. They said somewhat supervised opportunities to foster talents, study halls,

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free therapy, networking spaces for teenagers are all what we heard and it was consistent

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just a hangout spot was what they were looking for.

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We also pose the question, where do you hear about current programming and resources?

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You'll see a family member, a friend, school, social media.

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We went deeper to say, well, what social media channels do you use the most?

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TikTok and Instagram were at the top two.

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There was a lot of feedback about how they enjoy relatable posts.

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So they want to see reels and social media trends.

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they were interested in potentially having a social media with

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ran by teams but with a double oversight and how we could look at that as an opportunity.

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So the key takeaways, gathering spaces outside of school worker home,

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increase awareness of city offerings, fluidity and the type of programs

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would be welcomed and they want to be more involved in decision making.

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At this time, we're not posing solutions, we're not seeking solutions, we just want

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to continue to have conversations and we want to understand what opportunities are.

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So that's why this slide is laid out in potential areas to explore.

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So social media, how we can connect to the strategic plan, developing a more formal pipeline

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between departments and youth so that their input can be incorporated.

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You saw our youth web page, but how can we enhance that, is it meeting the needs of what

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people and their families are looking for, reimagining the Raleigh Youth Council, which

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we spoke to earlier, and having centralized coordination in our communications with

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the public school system.

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So our immediate next steps are just to continue gathering feedback on gaps that the city can

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feel.

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We want to build out on our partnerships with external organizations and establish shared

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goals, look at our exploration of operational adjustments, and then in the long term, we want

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to be able to say that we strengthen team representation, we created a pathway and that

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we continue to adjust our program's events based off the feedback and updated team representation.

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And so with that, again, I'm here with Raleigh Parks, Raleigh Police Department to take

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any questions.

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Thank you for a lot of information questions from Council.

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school.

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Well, I've got some questions. Just when you talk about the centralized communication

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with Wake County schools, given that they're finding out a lot of this at schools, that

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sounds like a good and important step. And I'm also just curious about Wake Tech, some

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of the other, just what's happening now and what can we do to strengthen that?

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So what's happening now is that we have contacts in different departments who have contacts with different people in the school system as far as getting information to and so when we ask the teenagers about social media, they said we follow the

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we follow weight county because they can tell us when school is going to be out.

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They don't have to watch to ticker anymore, but we just identify that we need a to think way across the apartment to get information to inform and that currently is not as strong as it could be.

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Councillor Silver. First I commend you for the survey and the takeaways worked on a similar

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project and another say I don't want to mention it was called the yes loitering project

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because in this particular city teams were being targeted in public space and so there was

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this project called yes loitering project to tell young people you are welcome in public

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space and we did similar research and came up with findings very close to your takeaways

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and I was impressed by it because the top one is hang out, unstructured, not programmed

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just to be with friends to just talk. Those are very good takeaways. I guess the question

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is any manager. How is that now going to embed itself? Because that's very different than programming

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or rec service, it's something different and it's important because young people are saying this is what I want even those call out

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quotes that you had

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Those three slides to me were very very powerful, and it's our young people saying not all because I'm guessing

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12% of our population between 10 and 19 that's

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50 to 60,000 young people you have a couple of thousand

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Not you the city in their parks program. What about the other 40 50,000?

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How are we going to take some of those takeaways and recommendations because I was supported

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that, agreed with that, and think it is their way of telling us, this is what I want.

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Right.

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So, yes, we did engage with youth that are already a part of our programs and initiatives,

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but a part, the main reason why we also scheduled pop-up in community events because we understand

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that there's another group of young people that may not be engaged in the programs that

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we already offer.

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and so we're planning to continue doing that and meeting people where they are, looking outside the conversations that we're going to have with our partners is also going to be very important because when we met with the YMCA, for example, they're just trying to figure out where to start and what we're doing.

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And so there was a lot of synergy and organic chemistry around how we can build together so we don't have the answer right now.

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We want to continue talking to our youth,

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then working with our partners,

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bringing the city together to figure out the best way

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for it collectively.

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That's a problem.

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Hi, there you said.

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Thank you for this.

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I have a handful of questions and some may not be for you.

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But I'll just start.

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So one I have is private for communications

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around use of TikTok.

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I know that's where the youths are.

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And I think we should try to reach them there,

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But I I wonder if we're even allowed to be there and how we might use partnerships with like influencers or something to

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To stay legal but get onto that platform

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Will you about answer the question for me there Rob and decal communications director

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I know we do not use tiktok because at this point it is an application that both the city and the state have decided

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Our own account there. There are ways absolutely, like you said, through influencers, perhaps through an agency contract that we could have some information element. TikTok, another idea that we are looking at is to use Instagram a little bit differently, perhaps with a different kind of account. I don't want to over promise or give too many details so that the real content, video content would be a little bit more teen focused in its voice. Awesome. Thank you. And then another question I have.

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have is around kind of building off what comes over.

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So, as mentioned, you know, we have about in very loose terms, about 100,000 youths

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and minors in the city and some of these programs are generously accessing about one percent

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of those.

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So, we have lots of kids who are not being captured in our programs, and I'm curious if there's

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any tracking done by any other agencies, any community health survey that indicates how

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How many youths are being touched by like any programming, whether it's Rolly Parks or

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YMCA or Boys and Girls at all?

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In terms of the quant—sorry, Ken Hensley again, Rolly Parks.

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Quantifiable data, we can talk to our partners.

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So when you do council member, if you think about the non-profits, the Y, the Boys and Girls

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clubs, the way county public school system, lots of non-profits, the youth, the question

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of whether are they being engaged or they being engaged by the city of Rolly?

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I think that's an area where, as Ty should brought up, how do we work with our partners

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to understand who they're already serving is a really valuable opportunity for us to

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explore that to a little deeper level.

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And I think the school system relationship is significantly important because that's a

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conduit where we can find those kids that may not be engaged in some different opportunities

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and communicate programs, access areas for them to get involved.

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They may fit more in their niche instead of us trying to put them into some things that

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already exist.

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Yeah, I think that would be a really valuable area to explore more and have better data

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on.

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I would love for all kids to touch the Raleigh Park program, but I understand that it

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can still be productive if they are engaged in something productive, and so it would be

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nice to understand how many kids are being, you know, supported somehow.

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Amanda Roll, Assistant Director, Raleigh Police Department.

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One of the things I think you're getting at is the groups that we're also looking at

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in the police department, we're pretty focused on the missing data, where the kids were

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not touching, and where the kids were touching but not necessarily documenting.

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Our division includes the word impact because you have to be able to measure the impact

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to know that you're moving in the right direction.

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Our officers are part of our policy includes community policing.

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It has the premise that we're all community policing officers.

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So, from the time the patrol officers do a council and a block event, they're making contact with young people, their families, they're making referrals, our school resource officers are also identifying kids who might be a good fit for or summer camp, or need to be referred to other programs throughout the city.

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And so we're doing the work on that level, every time we engage with somebody at a community

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center, we say, also, no, where do you go to school?

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Making those relationships and those connections, but our officers do a lot of identifying kids

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who could benefit as well as our community leaders.

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So in the something to save it, many of these kids came from St. Giles, and that was because

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of a community leader that we reached out to because we recognized that that was a community

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that might not necessarily have transportation and we actually provided that transportation.

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And then just another, just one more and I'll pass the mic.

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I was curious on the feedback we got on the survey, just anecdotally, if I'm curious

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one, if hours of operation came up at all, if teens were saying like, I want to please

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hang out late at night or and the things on which they want more opportunities to be heard

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and lead on where there are themes within that like are they caring about park design

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or rezoning or kind of if there was a characteristic of what they want to be engaged on.

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Yes, that's a good question.

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We did have that option around we had a question about what would make you more likely to

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use one of our community spaces and later hours was a part of that. When we had conversations

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in our facilitated discussions about how to get involved it wasn't that granular it was more

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so we feel like things are happening to us and we want to be able to contribute to the conversation

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before a decision is made. It didn't go to types of opportunities. That could have that feedback

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That could be broadly, civically engaged.

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They could mean sort of government rich, or-

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Sure, but also, you know, I'm sure there's interest in other topics that are more specific.

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We just didn't ask explicitly.

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Got it.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Thanks for your hands.

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Thank you for this.

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I was wondering with the Raleigh Youth Council, I know we're talking about reimagining Raleigh Youth

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Council.

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So can we first define what the expectations are, what it is currently, and then what the

442
00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:34,900
hope if there's a goal of what it turns into.

443
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:40,860
What I've noticed in talking to around the community is that most high schools have

444
00:35:40,860 --> 00:35:44,520
a student council, and so I was like, oh wow, we also have a Raleigh Youth Council.

445
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,820
So I'm wondering, is in this reimagination of it, would it touch on to the already existing

446
00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:52,660
student councils within the high school system?

447
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:56,340
Can, so let me start back with the question of what it is now.

448
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,500
So actually, in Sydney, ordinance, there's an establishment of a Raleigh Youth Council that calls out to what it is.

449
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:09,060
And so, housed within Raleigh Parts, it is actually a group of 60, about 60 students on average every year, from across Wake County.

450
00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:11,880
It's really a leadership development program.

451
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:19,180
It's an opportunity for them, they're self-governing, they set their own elected officials, they set their own policies, procedures, and it's part of the state councils of youth.

452
00:36:19,180 --> 00:36:29,320
So they actually interact with other rally youth councils from across the state through conferences, through community service, through opportunities such as that.

453
00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:40,280
So in its current state, kind of city wide representation, they set their own rules, they do their own community service, they interact with other agencies from a community service aspect.

454
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:47,220
One of the things that we've done, because this question's come up from a couple of years, is now they have a standing report and interact with our parks, recreation and greenway advisory board.

455
00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:55,800
So, we bring informed as they're working so they'll help support some more programs like our specialized recreation activities, or they'll also share about their community service activities.

456
00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:05,440
One of the things that we've been looking to do and as Tysha has brought up is they're one of our primary condos to wake kind of public school systems.

457
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:14,400
So, we're able to feed information back into the schools through these students because we don't have the centralized touchpoint, and that's our opportunity to make more awareness of that.

458
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Now, what we also want to do is make sure that's more fully cross-representational.

459
00:37:18,260 --> 00:37:22,520
So, a lot of it is those students who are actively looking for leadership opportunities,

460
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,040
they're looking for things that they can put on their college application,

461
00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:28,020
what are the things that they're getting involved in?

462
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:31,800
These are students that are already wanting to, they're looking to aspire to achieve

463
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,440
at a higher level.

464
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,780
What we want to do is expand the breadth of that.

465
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:40,840
So, how can we make sure every student who is, who wants to be a part of the council knows one,

466
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,640
about it and to how do I get connected to it?

467
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:50,080
So as we work through community engagement, what are our different pathways that we can get to but then also there are other opportunities and

468
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,620
I will bring it back to this table. How can they interact more with you?

469
00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:58,960
Because that's what they want and one of the things is having a raise to teens is they reach an age where they don't like being told.

470
00:37:59,140 --> 00:38:04,160
Here's how you do things and that's not that's like it's good or bad, but it's a part of it going through teenhood

471
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,160
and how do they interact with the local officials for policies that are made about how they're going to conduct their everyday activities?

472
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,140
When we established the teen center, we set that up specifically as funny as teach about

473
00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:17,960
up issues like we're going to step on toes, but they were like, it's our space. People

474
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,300
your age can't come in. And I'm like, okay, can I come in when you're not open? Yes,

475
00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:26,620
you can come in when you're not open. Right, but they were very specific about how that

476
00:38:26,620 --> 00:38:30,840
space would be governed. And that's what we're looking at. Can the youth council expand

477
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,060
those opportunities, have interactions to meet with the city manager, the assistant city

478
00:38:35,060 --> 00:38:39,020
manager? These are the things that are happening. And right now that's not so easy. And we get

479
00:38:39,020 --> 00:38:43,100
that people are super busy, so I'm not here to be judgmental, but that's what they've shared with us.

480
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:44,240
Does that help?

481
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,840
It does, thank you so much.

482
00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:48,940
Definitely, thank you for the information.

483
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:50,700
A couple things I just wanted to touch.

484
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,160
I see where the students mentioned opportunities to foster talents.

485
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,540
And I thought about growing up, there's a show called Sparks.

486
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,160
And it was teens on stage, it was ran by WRL, and

487
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,340
they gave students an opportunity to show talent.

488
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:12,860
do different things, work on stage and behind stage and I know a lot of our, we talk about work

489
00:39:12,860 --> 00:39:17,300
with Wake County Public Schools. Some of them have different studios and things of that nature.

490
00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:23,200
Wake County has their roles so be it, is there something that we could possibly do and foster

491
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:30,180
as we're re-imagining our new RTN location and the new building to create a space for those that

492
00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:35,100
may be interested in that avenue of talent and opportunities.

493
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,380
So this one thing I kind of wanted to put out there

494
00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:40,420
if there's something you all have thought about

495
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,740
and I have a couple of others after that.

496
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:46,140
Robin Deagle, again, from communications.

497
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,640
I think definitely with that new space in the building

498
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,840
and we have hope to reinvigorate our community producer

499
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,940
program where they would have more opportunities

500
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:55,300
to come in with an idea.

501
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,120
And we can help them produce their show

502
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,360
that goes on cable access.

503
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,920
us. I think there are a number of ways that we can creatively use that space as we go

504
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,840
forward. And I would also that would be definitely in partnership with parks, community engagement.

505
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:12,760
Perhaps a rally police that has all of these programs to bring people in and run them through

506
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:18,560
a program earlier this year. I think Ken mentioned it. We had some youth in here learning how

507
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,280
to run the controls for a council meeting. And that was pretty interesting. They sat at

508
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,500
the table and some of them sat in the booth and they had a mock meeting. We didn't broadcast

509
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:29,080
but they did have that opportunity.

510
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:30,480
Cool. Thank you.

511
00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:31,240
It's good to hear that.

512
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:35,200
And speaking of the success of hoop nights,

513
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,120
I know it was during the summer.

514
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,660
Is there an opportunity to have a once-a-month event

515
00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:46,880
throughout the year to continue like a third of Friday night event

516
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,420
or something?

517
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:52,660
Because it sounds like we have gathered the attention of some of our young people.

518
00:40:53,140 --> 00:40:56,540
Now, I think it's opportunity because a lot of times things I hear is

519
00:40:56,540 --> 00:40:58,200
where you start and you stop.

520
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,480
So is there a way to continue the event throughout the year?

521
00:41:02,980 --> 00:41:03,380
Absolutely.

522
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:06,880
So the part of our impact is continuous engagement.

523
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,000
It's not one and done.

524
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:11,320
And so for hoop nights, we already have two.

525
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:13,080
We're just looking for dates.

526
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,800
One's going to be at the Islamic Association of Raleigh

527
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,660
and the other one's going to be at the Jewish Federation of Raleigh.

528
00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:21,280
They're part of our I care team members

529
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,800
and they want to open up their courts.

530
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:36,220
We are also looking at doing weather permitting, there will probably be more outdoor ones, pop-ups, just, you know, allow officers to really take that and decide if they want to host one, as well as bowling events.

531
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:42,160
We've got some other, I mean, we've talked about hockey, we've talked about, we've done pickleball over the summer.

532
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:47,680
Engaging with them in a variety of ways is our overall focus.

533
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:56,560
Okay, thank you my last one while you're there. I know you mentioned police in terms 18% which is 19 that we hire.

534
00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:04,560
But do we track any of the others that may have moved somewhere are they were hired by another agency or municipality.

535
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:06,760
Do we track that data as well?

536
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:15,740
Well, when they come in as well as when they're leaving we ask them what are your intentions and we get a fair amount who say they are going to grad school which means we won't see them.

537
00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:21,880
And then there's some with similar or related majors who want to go into social work.

538
00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:26,080
And so they're getting the exposure with acorns, but they actually don't want to be a law

539
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:26,940
enforcement officer.

540
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:27,740
All right.

541
00:42:28,060 --> 00:42:33,640
And my last question for all of you is, if there's an established nonprofit that is already

542
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,780
working with youth and they want to reach out and connect, how do they do that?

543
00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:40,460
They can reach out directly to us.

544
00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:45,860
our information on our Raleigh Police Community Impact and Engagement Division website,

545
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:52,320
all of our contacts. However, they want to reach us. Okay. If any others want to share, feel free.

546
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,440
Yep. Mayor Patel. Okay. It's Ken.

547
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,140
Thanks, Mayor Branch. I did want to touch on, I'm glad you brought the hoot nights. And one of

548
00:43:00,140 --> 00:43:03,600
the things that we did want to offer with my touch, I did invite one of the bubbles.

549
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,440
And so this is

550
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,400
you look that up there where what are the other things, skills, those type of things.

551
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,420
So we've got great partnerships with folks like Raleigh, little theater, other groups.

552
00:43:18,580 --> 00:43:20,900
So is there different activities that can speak to different interests?

553
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:26,280
So as we look at those dedicated engagement efforts, who nights is great, right?

554
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,280
I was just at Laurel Hill's last night for the adult basketball, right?

555
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:31,840
But there's also a whole group out there to make sure we reach them as well.

556
00:43:31,940 --> 00:43:34,660
So we're going to explore different opportunities as we work with our partners to be able

557
00:43:34,660 --> 00:43:35,000
to do that.

558
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:43,080
I asked you a question on that so how are y'all communicating that to the public because I know I had some

559
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:50,120
conversations with some other folks in parks earlier in the year about some of the other things you do such as art and those types of things but

560
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:56,480
I don't think very many people know that that's what you're doing and when they hear parks and ricks they automatically assume that it's

561
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,480
athletic programming that's happening so how are you communicating that to the community that there are other options.

562
00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:07,520
So I'm going to go back to Tisha saying I'm going to say things today they're going to step on your toes.

563
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,080
It's probably one of the biggest things we hear is we're not telling the story well enough.

564
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,220
One of the paces and we've already talked with Robin is how are we communicating?

565
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,040
I need to bring it to you for people in my age Facebook and the leisure ledger still things.

566
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:21,580
Right, for youth or not.

567
00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:27,280
And so how are we getting that communication out? We've got to get more dynamic to be perfect honest with you.

568
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,620
And make sure we're reaching them where they can.

569
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:33,700
And what I'm really thankful for is we started these conversations, Robins, like we can look at these

570
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:39,540
There's different ways to reach a target audience than some of our tried and true methods because obviously they're not so tried and true

571
00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:42,620
When we're hitting some of those groups, so we can do better to be honest with you

572
00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:46,820
I want to go to mayor pertin, but I also want to process check

573
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:48,500
I

574
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:56,740
Know we've got like a five hour meeting starting at one none of us have eaten and I just I want to make sure that I'm not putting council under

575
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,100
Do you have a break? So what are the rules? Do we need to move on to the next question as soon as I allow Mayor Potem to give the curfew some time? And then what time do we need to break in order to start another meeting at 1 o'clock? Is there a, do we need a? I believe RTN needs 15 minutes between to start another meeting, so. And then I just want to be somewhat humane towards the councilors here and not force it into a situation.

576
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:45,840
If we wrap up with the comments on this one we'll go right into the ordinance and talk about that a little bit and if need be we can kind of carry over after the one o'clock if you all aren't satisfied with that and move it to another space on the agenda.

577
00:45:46,220 --> 00:45:47,120
We do have that flexibility.

578
00:45:48,540 --> 00:45:48,920
Thank you.

579
00:45:49,620 --> 00:45:53,920
Yeah, I'll make my questions brief and you can even get back to me later, it's no problem.

580
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:59,720
I was just curious to learn about that teens against violence conversation that occurred

581
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:05,640
in June just to learn what the young people said about the solutions that they see.

582
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,100
And so maybe that can just be shared with us in some way after this meeting.

583
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:17,220
And then also just curious, what is the latest hour for our community centers to be open

584
00:46:17,220 --> 00:46:21,960
for the parks, and has that been a conversation about having later hours, perhaps?

585
00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:25,780
Yeah, typical community center operations, we close at nine, Monday through Friday.

586
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,460
Saturdays were nine to three, Sundays one to six.

587
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,720
Those are our typical operating hours.

588
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:34,720
Obviously we have something to open earlier that offered before school, those type programs.

589
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:36,160
Thank you.

590
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:39,780
Okay.

591
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,460
I will thank everybody for all of that information.

592
00:46:44,460 --> 00:46:49,920
let's move on to the curfew and we have Karen McDonald, the City Attorney's Office.

593
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,340
Good afternoon, Council. At your June, July 7th, reading the City Council,

594
00:46:57,140 --> 00:47:01,760
directed the City Attorney's Office to draft the youth protection and curfew ordinance for

595
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:09,420
Council's consideration. So today we will explain why the proposal is being considered in its

596
00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:17,240
purpose, the chief or review, the juvenile crime, trends and the events of July 4th and

597
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:23,260
5th, I'll then walk through what the proposed ordinance would actually do, including who

598
00:47:23,260 --> 00:47:28,080
it applies to, the restricted hours, and importantly, the exceptions.

599
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:34,320
I'll conclude by explaining how the ordinance would be enforced and the potential penalties

600
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,220
next slide.

601
00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:39,240
And so the proposed ordinance, next slide,

602
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,400
the proposed ordinance is intended to protect

603
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,900
juveniles from victimization and exposure to criminal activity.

604
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:57,480
It also seeks to promote a safer environment for juveniles and adults by limiting unsupervised

605
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:03,440
juvenile presence in public places during the late night hours covered by the ordinance.

606
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:12,140
and finally it reinforces the role of parents by emphasizing reasonable parental supervision next slide.

607
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:22,240
With that in mind, I will turn it over to Chief Boyce to talk about juvenile crime trends and the events of July 4th and 5th.

608
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,120
And with that, I think he'll move his slides.

609
00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:26,800
Yes, I will.

610
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,060
Good afternoon Madam Mayor, Council Chief Boyce, Raleigh Police Department. Good seeing you again.

611
00:48:32,860 --> 00:48:37,020
Why considering the ordinance, I'll start off by saying the Raleigh Police Department,

612
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,420
we are in intelligent lead and data-driven department.

613
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,060
Guides are decision-making in how we continue to keep this community safe.

614
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:54,920
It's important that we have data to justify why we do what we do in regards to juveniles

615
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,300
and the conversation that we have in here today.

616
00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:05,900
Hey, if you look at the slide here, you see in 2025 that we had 821 cases where a juvenile

617
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:12,960
under the age of 18 was a suspect where we arrested or charged on juvenile petition.

618
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,880
We charged through secure custody order and took custody of that juvenile.

619
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,600
That is for the entire year of 2025.

620
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:28,440
You look at the column to the right, 894 incidents, that is just from January 1 to pretty

621
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,000
much about a couple of days ago when we collected this data.

622
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:39,360
You can see that we're already at 894 cases throughout this year where juveniles are

623
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,640
listed as a suspect.

624
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:48,080
The increase there, 9% increase, obviously trending in an area or in a direction that is not

625
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,640
That good is very concerning to us here at the Royal Police Department.

626
00:49:53,540 --> 00:50:00,100
The drill down the number is a little bit more from that 894, 821 and 894.

627
00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:04,540
You look at the first category of assaults and aggravated assaults.

628
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:10,300
We're talking about our shootings, our stabbings, or incidents where an injury, a severe injury

629
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:12,640
was caused as a result of an assault.

630
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:19,740
in 2025 you see there with 30 here year-to-date 50 we are already seeing an

631
00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:26,480
increase and we still have four months left of 2026. Person shots these are once

632
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:33,900
again juveniles who are listed as a suspect. Entire year 2025 there's 7 20

633
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:40,380
26 we're already at 12 and that trend is going up as well. Shot's fired into a

634
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:47,360
vehicle or dwelling single digit number in 2025. We're more than double that in

635
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:54,940
2026 with juveniles shooting into cars in residence. This category next to

636
00:50:54,940 --> 00:51:01,080
number of actual rounds, these are the actual bullets that were discharged in

637
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:08,500
those that number five for 2025 and number 12 in 12 in 2026. 15 bullets went

638
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:12,280
went through a car, went through a house, all in 2025, involving juveniles.

639
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:18,000
Here in 2026, that number is up to 190 bullets.

640
00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:26,360
Went through a car, a house, a some physical structure, just like that sink in 190 bullets,

641
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:32,660
went through a car or a building, all from the hands of a juvenile.

642
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:41,680
Final category of all totals, you see the violent incidents, all in 2025, 63 total violent

643
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:48,660
incidents involving juveniles who we charged or obtained a security custody for and here

644
00:51:48,660 --> 00:51:54,800
in 2026 in August, we're already at 83 and we see the increase there.

645
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,520
We are seeing the trend of violence with our juveniles increase year over year.

646
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:12,060
And I only used 2025 since I was the chief, so I wanted to make sure I'm using data that I had some control over as the chief of police here at RPD.

647
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:17,660
So let's talk about pretty much what was the catalyst, what got us here today.

648
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:27,620
I shared numbers in 2025, but it really wasn't highlighted throughout our community what we were experiencing within RPD.

649
00:52:27,620 --> 00:52:40,600
But when the events of July 4th and July 5th occurred, that really got everybody's attention so much so pretty much throughout the entire nation saw what developed here in our great city.

650
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:48,480
So on that night, July 4th and the early mornings of July 5th, RPD, we investigated six separate shootings.

651
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,880
I will say, I'll get to it in a second.

652
00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:56,680
We have one shooting at Brock Creek just after the fireworks display.

653
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:01,000
We have four shootings alone, Glenwood South throughout the night.

654
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,380
In early morning, July 5th, we have one shooting in 800 block of Capitol Boulevard.

655
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:12,380
Four of these investigations have been cleared by arrests, and we still have two remaining

656
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:19,480
and active investigations, a fear of confidence in our detectives, they will identify and

657
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,640
arrest those who are responsible for those two remaining investigations.

658
00:53:24,660 --> 00:53:29,800
Also on July 4th, there was a number of adults, and I think we know that number 29 other adults

659
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:37,320
that were charged with various crimes, assaults, disorderly conduct, other crimes on that night.

660
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:44,260
But the crimes where people were shot, where victims were rushed to the hospital.

661
00:53:45,020 --> 00:53:49,020
Majority, if not all of those included a juvenile or involved in juvenile.

662
00:53:50,350 --> 00:53:53,020
You look at the incident starting at Brock Creek.

663
00:53:54,130 --> 00:53:59,960
We arrested four and actually today we arrested the fifth with help of the United States

664
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:00,600
Marshals.

665
00:54:00,860 --> 00:54:04,740
They arrested the fifth suspect, a juvenile in New York City.

666
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:10,800
So, we have a juvenile commitment shooting at Brock Creek Fleet area and was just picked

667
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,960
up this morning in New York City.

668
00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:22,620
The arrest that we made down on Glenwood South, the victims are juveniles and then I walk

669
00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:23,480
through those cases.

670
00:54:24,180 --> 00:54:31,320
The first shooting that occurred on Glenwood South at a 600 block of Glenwood, both victims

671
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,180
were juveniles.

672
00:54:32,180 --> 00:54:34,420
The suspect is a juvenile.

673
00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:40,720
The shooting at Tucker Street is a young adult, he's 18 years old, so not a juvenile.

674
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,660
That is also one of our remaining cases that has not been solved yet.

675
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:53,980
The third shooting, 14 Glenwood Avenue, the suspect, juvenile, the victim, a juvenile.

676
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:01,660
The fourth shooting on West Street, West Johnson Street, that is also the second case that

677
00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:04,360
that is unsolved, those two victims are adults.

678
00:55:05,020 --> 00:55:06,820
We have not made an arrest in that case.

679
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:14,160
Finally, the shooting in 800 block of Capitol Boulevard, the suspect in that case, 18-year-old,

680
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,120
excuse me, 17-year-old female arrested in Goldsboro with the help of a Goldsboro PD.

681
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:27,240
So you can see the violence on July 4th and July 5th, where people were shot, majority of

682
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:29,700
those cases involve juveniles.

683
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:36,360
So a show you the number, show you the data of the trend with the amount of cases that

684
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:42,320
we are seeing here in the city of Raleigh, and I'll show you how many are connected

685
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,920
to individuals who are under the age of 18.

686
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,280
So you ask like, why a curfew?

687
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:55,500
I'll be the first to say a curfew is not a fix to what I just showed you.

688
00:55:55,500 --> 00:56:00,860
It is a tool that will allow the Royal Police Department to continue to keep the city safe.

689
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:06,280
Some people probably say, well, all those crimes didn't happen at night time, chief.

690
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:07,100
I get it.

691
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:07,520
You're right.

692
00:56:08,180 --> 00:56:13,120
But the connection with violence, we have been able to determine that.

693
00:56:14,380 --> 00:56:19,180
When we see a lot of, I get asked a lot of times like, chief, where are these juveniles

694
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:20,240
getting these firearms?

695
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:21,540
Where are they getting these guns?

696
00:56:21,540 --> 00:56:26,260
Well, we know we've seen that they get these guns from breaking into cars.

697
00:56:26,980 --> 00:56:27,400
Well, guess what?

698
00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:29,520
They break into cars, usually late at night.

699
00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:34,080
And then now they're using those guns to commit crime,

700
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:39,540
which once probably testing come back for some of those shootings on July 4th and 5th,

701
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,240
we might be able to track that back to some of our motor vehicle break-ins,

702
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,940
as well as a theft of a gun.

703
00:56:46,940 --> 00:56:50,800
So being able to put a curfew in place during a specific hour,

704
00:56:51,540 --> 00:56:57,360
days at a week, I believe as a chief will help curb some of the violence that we're seeing

705
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,040
here in our city that has been committed by juveniles.

706
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,140
And overall, this community deserve to be safe and there should be some accountability

707
00:57:06,140 --> 00:57:08,020
despite what your age is.

708
00:57:08,620 --> 00:57:11,900
We've arrested or we got a secure custody order for as young as 12.

709
00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:19,500
That 12-year-old was part of an incident where a gunshot or somebody was shooting.

710
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:24,360
We got a whole people responsible for their actions no matter how old they are.

711
00:57:25,220 --> 00:57:30,540
So that's what I have right now, I turn it back over to City Attorney for the additional details.

712
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:32,660
Thank you, Chief.

713
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,500
So we'll now look at what the proposed ordinance looks like.

714
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:47,140
And so basically, the proposed ordinance would be for you under 18 and

715
00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:51,860
would run from 11 p.m. until 5 a.m. every day of the week.

716
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,920
During those hours, during those hours,

717
00:57:57,260 --> 00:58:00,380
a juvenile generally could not remain in a public place

718
00:58:00,380 --> 00:58:03,840
or establishment unless an exception applies.

719
00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:08,460
The ordinance defies a juvenile as a person under 18

720
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,460
who is not married, serving in the United States armed forces

721
00:58:14,060 --> 00:58:15,460
or emancipated.

722
00:58:15,460 --> 00:58:26,700
Next slide. So this slide shows a comparison of some of our peer cities, and you'll see that they also have curfews.

723
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:36,760
And again, as it relates to the proposed Rolly ordinance, it would be under 18 11 p.m. to 5 a.m.

724
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,900
So let's talk about some of the exceptions next slide.

725
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:52,490
So most of our peer cities have the following exceptions, the juvenile would not violate

726
00:58:52,490 --> 00:59:00,390
the ordinance when accompanied by a parent or legal guardian or otherwise authorize the

727
00:59:00,390 --> 00:59:10,410
adult 21 and older, when engaged in lawful employment, traveling directly to or from work,

728
00:59:10,410 --> 00:59:18,570
When responding to an emergency, when attending or traveling directly to or from a qualifying

729
00:59:18,570 --> 00:59:24,610
school, religious, recreational, civic or governmental activity.

730
00:59:25,790 --> 00:59:33,430
The ordinance also protects first-minute activity and as previously stated, our ordinance

731
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:35,430
and our will go to the next slide.

732
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:38,450
Can you say first amendment activity, what is that?

733
00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:45,950
So, if you were protesting, so then if you're married or emancipated, next slide.

734
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:52,970
Then we also, in addition to those exceptions that our peer cities have, we would propose

735
00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:56,990
except these exceptions as well. So a prior

736
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,960
Aaron, if you are a college or university student, again, hours would accept the U.S. armed forces.

737
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:28,720
And we also think, and although not listed here, we also think and would recommend an exception for a public event, so that would encompass the state fair. A performance, such as a concert, a sporting event, such as when the hurricanes end up going in the overtime,

738
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,060
a couple of times and sometimes those games in late.

739
01:00:32,620 --> 01:00:35,400
So we were proposed to add an additional exception

740
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:36,800
to cover those as well.

741
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:38,400
Next slide.

742
01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:43,680
So then what does enforcement look like?

743
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,380
And so enforcement is not automatic,

744
01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:49,860
it's simply because an officer encounters

745
01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:52,100
a young person after 11 p.m.

746
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,180
Before taking an enforcement action,

747
01:00:55,460 --> 01:00:57,220
the ordinance requires the officer

748
01:00:57,220 --> 01:01:03,620
to verify the juveniles age and ask the reason the juvenile is in the public.

749
01:01:04,540 --> 01:01:11,840
So to determine if an exception applies, an officer may not prepare a juvenile petition

750
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:18,720
or issue a citation unless there's probable calls to believe an offense occurred and no

751
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:28,460
exempt exempt exception or applicable offense is present so essentially what you see there you have an

752
01:01:28,460 --> 01:01:35,580
encounter you verify you determine if there's an exception and if there's no exception then there's

753
01:01:35,580 --> 01:01:37,380
enforcement next slide

754
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:46,560
so then who can be found in violation of the ordinance certainly a juvenile if no

755
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:54,840
exception applies. A parent or guardian who knowingly allows a juvenile to be out during

756
01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:03,700
the restricted times, or if a juvenile is found to be out, and RPD makes contact says

757
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:08,360
your juvenile is out, you need to come pick up your child and they refuse to come pick

758
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:18,300
up their child. An adult who aids or abets a juvenile and then an establishment could

759
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:26,480
be in violation if they allow a juvenile to stay. It would be a defense to the establishment

760
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:35,860
if they notified RPD. We have these juveniles. We've told them they need to leave and they

761
01:02:35,860 --> 01:02:39,420
they would have to do that in order to have that offense.

762
01:02:40,380 --> 01:02:45,120
Then, if there is a violation, what does that violation look like?

763
01:02:45,740 --> 01:02:49,840
For the juvenile, it would be a part of the juvenile court process.

764
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:53,820
For all others, it would be a civil citation,

765
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:57,920
which would be issued as a class three misdemeanor,

766
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,820
and a fine of no more than $500.

767
01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:02,720
Next slide.

768
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:10,820
So that concludes my presentation of the proposed ordinance, the Chief and I are available to answer questions.

769
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:14,280
Okay. Thank you. I'll go for questions.

770
01:03:19,330 --> 01:03:20,670
Yes, Councillor Slaughter.

771
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:32,140
Just a clarity about, we heard a lot about who attended the TECO, the TNTEC over, which was a catalyst for this to come before us.

772
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,680
I was very curious

773
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,560
because you said that it wasn't the team take over, wasn't the impetus,

774
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,600
it was the trends we're seeing in juvenile violence.

775
01:03:45,220 --> 01:03:47,640
We've heard that most of the people who attended were adults.

776
01:03:48,460 --> 01:03:53,500
I don't know if you were able to verify because I just saw some of the images, they seemed

777
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:57,820
like young people, but I know we're going to talk about a teen curfew, and I just want

778
01:03:57,820 --> 01:04:03,840
to make sure that as people talk about what happened on July, that saying most of them

779
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:10,360
where adults say that live here, as I mentioned earlier, we have 60, 70, 80,000 young people

780
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:11,160
live in our city.

781
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:18,140
So can you kind of clarify, do you know the age of all those who attended the Teen Take

782
01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:23,060
Overs both in Briar Creek or that's just kind of hearsay we've heard from the community?

783
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,200
Because to me that's kind of relevant of the conversation that if they're all adult we

784
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,300
don't need the Teen Takeover.

785
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:34,900
So, from your intelligence, can you kind of give what your impression was about who attended those teen takeovers?

786
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,400
Was it teens or was it majority of adults?

787
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:45,560
I can't give you, Councilmember Sivir, I can't give you an exact number, what I can say based on just personal observation with Glenwood South.

788
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:52,300
A significant amount of folks that were down there were, in my opinion, young adults, but I cannot confirm that.

789
01:04:52,300 --> 01:05:01,780
I didn't obviously speak to thousands of individuals that looked a certain way, but let

790
01:05:01,780 --> 01:05:07,120
me go back to what you said about the crime from 2025.

791
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:13,320
Yes, it has been occurring, and we did not have any conversations about it until the July

792
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:19,320
4th, July 5th incidents that really highlighted the crime involving juveniles.

793
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:31,420
as a chief, that was very concerning like we need to have some discussions of what strategies, what initiatives can we put in place to address this trend that we've seen year over year.

794
01:05:32,180 --> 01:05:42,980
A curfew was part of that strategy of like if we had one maybe we could curb some of the violence that we're seeing and some of the criminal activity that we're seeing late at night.

795
01:05:42,980 --> 01:05:46,520
The majority of the kids in this city, they do was right.

796
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,320
They're not involved, have very little interaction with RPD or any law enforcement.

797
01:05:51,820 --> 01:05:59,340
But there is a segment of our community where these youth, or Juvenile's, they're committing serious criminal offenses.

798
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,640
I am looking for strategies that are initiative to curb the violence.

799
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:14,000
So it wasn't the team takeover, it allowed you to take a deeper look and expose the trend in juvenile crime from 2025 to 2026.

800
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,560
That is correct, but also to protect them as well.

801
01:06:18,140 --> 01:06:23,820
We've seen that many juvenile shot on one particular night, it's time to take some action and do something.

802
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,680
Other questions or comments?

803
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:39,280
So I think we depended upon how many other council members would like to speak to this topic.

804
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,840
We can break for lunch and then bring it back at the top of the 1 o'clock hour, or we

805
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:48,540
can put it up under the City Attorney's agenda if you want it to be later on in the day to

806
01:06:48,540 --> 01:06:49,480
finish the discussion.

807
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,260
But I don't think you're going to be able to finish it and then break for lunch and make

808
01:06:53,260 --> 01:06:54,420
it back at 1 o'clock.

809
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:55,820
So we have two options.

810
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,960
I have several questions, so I'm happy to totally update you.

811
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,460
Those are the two options, start.

812
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:06,240
It also start our meeting just 15 minutes later, something like that to finish this conversation now.

813
01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:09,300
In my opinion, I don't want to rush this conversation.

814
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,140
I'd rather start at the top of the one o'clock meeting or put it under the City Attorney's Report,

815
01:07:13,340 --> 01:07:16,220
so we don't feel like we've got an arbitrary stop point.

816
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:17,260
That's just my fault.

817
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:23,020
Yeah, I mean, I would do it at the top of the hour just because I know we've got folks that are here interested

818
01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:27,280
it and came for this particular conversation. I don't want them to have to break for three

819
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:34,900
hours and then come back. So do we want to? Okay. Yeah, I guess it's already 36 after

820
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:42,640
the hour. So maybe we will recess for basically 20, 25 minutes. Come back at one and instead

821
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:49,580
of the normally scheduled we will resume this conversation. Yes. Okay. So apologies to

822
01:07:49,580 --> 01:07:54,580
everybody on the inconvenience on schedule, but we will recess for a few minutes.

823
01:31:57,300 --> 01:31:58,400
Can everybody's attention?

824
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:34,480
Can everybody please be quiet? Thank you. We need to, we're going to do things a little bit differently today, because we were in the middle of a work session talking about the curfew proposal. We didn't, we were not able to finish that discussion. So what we're going to do is I'm going to gavel close the work session, regaval in for this meeting. We're going to say the pledge of allegiance. We're going to recognize our Raleigh Poet Laureate. And then we are going to

825
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:40,940
I could reconvene on the curfew topic out of order and then we will go into public comments.

826
01:32:41,300 --> 01:32:47,360
So apologize for those of you who this is causing inconvenience, but at some point these are

827
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,320
big topics and we did not want to shortchange the things.

828
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:57,800
So first off, gavling out of the work session into this meeting and then can I ask Jonathan

829
01:32:57,800 --> 01:32:59,800
Lambert Melton to lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

830
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:00,740
States

831
01:33:08,260 --> 01:33:12,160
of America and to the Republic for which it stands

832
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:15,760
in the business.

833
01:33:21,020 --> 01:33:26,820
One more just public announcement because of late changing, we had a lot of people that

834
01:33:26,820 --> 01:33:33,340
were very interested in the data center that was originally scheduled for a hearing today.

835
01:33:33,980 --> 01:33:41,780
That was the petitioner withdrew their petition for that, so we will not have a data center.

836
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:51,240
On the agenda today, if you are here for that, you may go, you have free time now, you can go enjoy your afternoon.

837
01:33:51,820 --> 01:33:57,840
But I'm going to hand it over to Sarah Powers with Raleigh Parks and Recreation.

838
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,740
Good afternoon, Mayor Counsel, city manager's office.

839
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,260
I have a really fun job here today.

840
01:34:04,540 --> 01:34:07,500
We're going to meet our new poet laureate, the city's inaugural.

841
01:34:07,500 --> 01:34:12,580
poet laureate is here today Mr. Johnny Lee Chapman the third we have a short

842
01:34:12,580 --> 01:34:14,200
video we

843
01:34:19,860 --> 01:34:24,020
have a short video to introduce him and the program a little bit and

844
01:34:24,020 --> 01:34:28,920
we'll have a quick photo opportunity afterwards and we will be back with more

845
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:33,320
time for Lee to be creative as he works with our community thank you my

846
01:34:40,010 --> 01:34:40,490
name is

847
01:34:40,490 --> 01:34:46,390
Johnny Lee Chapman the third and I am proud to be Raleigh's inaugural poet laureate

848
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:52,450
A lot of my poetry growth and experience has happened in Raleigh.

849
01:34:52,750 --> 01:34:56,950
It's been a wonderful experience to not only go through that, but now be in a position

850
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:58,070
where I can steward that.

851
01:34:58,430 --> 01:35:01,570
It's exciting for Raleigh to welcome our first Coat Laureate.

852
01:35:01,730 --> 01:35:07,070
This is a unique opportunity to celebrate the creative voices that make our city so special.

853
01:35:07,410 --> 01:35:13,730
There's so much magic and power in what already exists, so my goal is to not necessarily

854
01:35:13,730 --> 01:35:19,050
wipe the slate clean and start fresh but to be working with the spaces and the

855
01:35:19,050 --> 01:35:22,790
people in the communities that have gotten me to this point. So I'm really looking

856
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:28,090
forward to giving back to those people. So you know who you are and you'll be

857
01:35:28,090 --> 01:35:33,670
getting a call from me sometime soon. I want you to be a part of it too. Head

858
01:35:33,670 --> 01:35:39,430
over to rollync.gov and search poet laureate to check out these work and see what

859
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:40,730
next chapter brings.

860
01:35:47,670 --> 01:35:48,190
Congratulations.

861
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,360
Do you want to say anything since you're a poet? Any

862
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:04,480
words to share? And I will say I got the great opportunity to work with Lee over at Dicks Park

863
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:10,720
where if you want to see his poetry on the wall of the house of many porches is the full poem and

864
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:16,940
then there are those oak leaves that you saw in the video around the site of a poem that he wrote

865
01:36:18,460 --> 01:36:23,640
specifically for that site when we were building Gibson Play Plaza so it is great

866
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:31,480
to see that he was chosen as our poet laureate. I mean hello everybody. Do I have

867
01:36:31,480 --> 01:36:35,240
like a quick time to do a quick poem right quick? Yeah go for me. Okay I

868
01:36:43,170 --> 01:36:43,510
wrote this

869
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:48,930
as weekend so it's very new but it's for y'all and it's for me thank you all for

870
01:36:48,930 --> 01:36:56,370
choosing me to be this individual. Let's say all right inaugural meaning the

871
01:36:56,370 --> 01:37:03,730
first a pioneer or trailblazer an explorer of the unknown and a companion of

872
01:37:03,730 --> 01:37:10,090
uncertainty inaugural as in the progenitor the founder and the namesake the

873
01:37:10,090 --> 01:37:17,430
soon-to-be ancestor but also the initial failure the errors of trial and error the

874
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:23,070
The one who determines how to improve for the future, the first in flight, to grace

875
01:37:23,070 --> 01:37:30,170
the clouds, and also to lose gravity, the guinea pig, the test dummy, the one whose experience

876
01:37:30,170 --> 01:37:37,470
becomes a lesson for those who come after, inaugural as in a standard bearer, a standard

877
01:37:37,470 --> 01:37:44,570
to break beyond, a believer who moved with faith, a postmark sent to no destination, an

878
01:37:44,570 --> 01:37:52,210
origin point, a home and a settlement, a goal always being moved, and a container of communal trust.

879
01:37:52,670 --> 01:37:59,210
The first voice to discover echo, the first echo to respond to voice, the holder of the pen,

880
01:37:59,690 --> 01:38:07,270
and the story hidden in the sheets, and as the inaugural there will be eyes. Watching, waiting,

881
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:16,190
whispering eyes, eyes unaware to their witnessing is a weight, is a pressure but is also a proposition.

882
01:38:16,970 --> 01:38:22,970
Give me the spotlight and I will give you a show. Give me the microphone and I will tell you what I know.

883
01:38:23,550 --> 01:38:32,730
Give me a dream and I will tell you we should go slow and if you trust me as those who chose me to do then give me the opportunity.

884
01:38:32,730 --> 01:38:39,530
I'll show you what I can do, with space and support, watch this position become a place

885
01:38:39,530 --> 01:38:45,590
where all can find a moment of inspiration for the inaugural is the result of tangible

886
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:46,410
imagination.

887
01:38:47,090 --> 01:38:47,750
Thank you.

888
01:38:51,900 --> 01:38:59,420
I want to thank my parents in the back, Johnny and Tammy Chabbid, thank you to Southeast

889
01:38:59,420 --> 01:39:04,240
Raleigh, thank you to City Soul Cafe, thank you to Fuqua Verena for also birthing me.

890
01:39:04,500 --> 01:39:05,400
All right.

891
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,960
Okay, I think we need a photo, so do we want to get up with,

892
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:39,220
all right,

893
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:10,220
next we will

894
01:40:10,220 --> 01:40:18,660
turn it back to our city attorney and police chief and the council who had just received

895
01:40:18,660 --> 01:40:22,220
the draft ordinance and we're starting to discuss it.

896
01:40:22,660 --> 01:40:29,180
I can do anything that y'all want to come back and just say before we let council start.

897
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:30,100
I don't.

898
01:40:30,100 --> 01:40:34,160
Okay, Councilor Patton, I believe you were next up.

899
01:40:35,140 --> 01:40:35,840
Hi, Chief.

900
01:40:36,180 --> 01:40:36,500
Good to see you.

901
01:40:37,060 --> 01:40:37,860
Thanks for this.

902
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:40,100
A couple of questions I have.

903
01:40:40,540 --> 01:40:47,220
You have a slide in there on peer cities in North Carolina that are also doing curfews.

904
01:40:48,440 --> 01:40:55,100
Do we have any, I'm curious when did they enact these and what results are they reporting?

905
01:40:55,420 --> 01:40:56,400
Do we have any data on that?

906
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:03,180
I'm only familiar with Winston Salem, there's this fairly new in the past couple of months.

907
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:07,900
And I know they're up for a review of their ordinance, that's the only one I'm familiar

908
01:41:07,900 --> 01:41:08,260
with.

909
01:41:08,820 --> 01:41:08,920
Okay.

910
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:14,180
So for a review, do you mean they did like a pilot or six months or what kind of what was

911
01:41:14,180 --> 01:41:14,700
the situation there?

912
01:41:15,340 --> 01:41:20,040
It appears that they just had a pilot and they were just going to come back and look at it,

913
01:41:20,100 --> 01:41:23,540
they wanted to extend for an extended period of time.

914
01:41:24,020 --> 01:41:24,160
Okay.

915
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:24,760
Great.

916
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:25,740
Thank you.

917
01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:34,700
And then there's also, I guess what I'm trying to understand is how this Corfu adds

918
01:41:34,700 --> 01:41:37,480
a new tool to your toolbell.

919
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:44,880
You showed us a slide that has increased incidence of aggravated assault, et cetera, year

920
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:45,380
over year.

921
01:41:46,540 --> 01:41:49,080
And the numbers are higher, for sure.

922
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:54,700
Or all of these things are already crimes.

923
01:41:55,540 --> 01:42:01,040
So how would the curfew change what we're experiencing here?

924
01:42:01,700 --> 01:42:08,480
Yes, I gave an example about the amount of vehicle break-ins that we're having here in the city of Raleigh.

925
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:13,360
In the time of day or time of night or when they are occurring, they are occurring late at night.

926
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:22,800
We understand that what we have seen is that the vehicles have been broken into the weapons have been stolen and then those are used in violent crime.

927
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:32,640
If we had a curfew in place during hours of where this reported crime has occurred, maybe that is a way to decrease our violent crime.

928
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:39,600
We're trying to get kids off the street and keep them safe and protect it during those late night hours.

929
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:40,380
Okay.

930
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:50,370
Yeah, I guess, I mean, one thing that I, when I see the number of rounds fired,

931
01:42:50,570 --> 01:42:56,550
I find myself less thinking, well, better get those law-biting children into their houses,

932
01:42:56,550 --> 01:43:01,850
and more that, like, the presence of, like, or just a preponderance of unscured weapons in our

933
01:43:01,850 --> 01:43:09,290
communities is, like, the real source of the problem. And I guess I just wonder, like, the kids

934
01:43:09,290 --> 01:43:20,530
If you are stealing out of cars, I mean, what's happening to them today, if you police are uncovering a kid who's stealing a weapon out of a car, what's going to happen to that kid now in the current circumstances?

935
01:43:20,910 --> 01:43:23,010
Right, we're going to follow a juvenile petition.

936
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:27,850
We obviously depended on the circumstances at a case, you know, act for secure custody.

937
01:43:28,330 --> 01:43:34,990
So each case is different, but that's one of two avenues that we would take is to follow a petition or seek secure custody.

938
01:43:34,990 --> 01:43:40,750
Okay, and then in if a curfewer in order, how would it be handled differently?

939
01:43:41,490 --> 01:43:47,290
We will make contact with the parent, have the parent come take Kasiya's child, and

940
01:43:47,290 --> 01:43:52,290
maybe that child is not all any later than the time that we have interactions with them.

941
01:43:52,430 --> 01:43:57,190
So keeps them safe, as well as keep this community safe or not, having someone that's going

942
01:43:57,190 --> 01:43:59,330
to commit a crime out on the street late at night.

943
01:44:00,070 --> 01:44:04,170
So is it the contact of the parent that is the primary?

944
01:44:04,970 --> 01:44:11,390
It is the engagement with the officer and that juvenile and trying to prevent that behavior from occurring.

945
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:16,770
Yes.

946
01:44:18,830 --> 01:44:19,650
Councillor Ford.

947
01:44:20,130 --> 01:44:21,230
So I have a couple of questions.

948
01:44:21,730 --> 01:44:23,690
Chief, I'm looking at your peer, city comparison.

949
01:44:24,630 --> 01:44:31,610
How did you settle on 18 and under when the other cities, primarily look like they're 16 and under for

950
01:44:31,610 --> 01:44:35,890
the most part, what's the sale of them is at 17, sure, except 15.

951
01:44:36,110 --> 01:44:37,950
How did y'all come to the age of 18?

952
01:44:39,130 --> 01:44:42,650
Yeah, these are just the largest cities that have a curfew here in the state of North

953
01:44:42,650 --> 01:44:44,010
Kalana, and that's why we used them.

954
01:44:44,350 --> 01:44:49,590
No, I'm saying in terms of how did we come at 18 and under when the other cities are 16

955
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:53,150
and under or 15 and under and what's the sale of the 17 and under?

956
01:44:53,710 --> 01:44:57,030
easier to enforce when they're already a juvenile under the age of

957
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
Pre-city Charlotte with 13 to 15 and we know that their chief just went before their council asking to amend that to just one particular age under the age of 18 to make it that much more easily, easily enforceable. Okay. And then get them at some of the, the enforcement, you know, policies. How are you really going to be able to enforce it? And let me just be clear about where my comments are coming from.

958
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:31,220
or my questions are coming from.

959
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,780
One of my concerns is making sure that children,

960
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:39,380
particularly black and brown kids, are not being targeted,

961
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:42,500
and making sure that there's equitable treatment

962
01:45:42,860 --> 01:45:46,140
with this proposal across the city.

963
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:50,480
When you're talking about the exceptions,

964
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:53,140
I mean, kids coming from work, going to the movies,

965
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,600
things along those lines, how do we know kids

966
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:58,920
aren't going to be pulled over targeted

967
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:03,180
just because they're leaving the movie theater at, you know, they got 10 o'clock shows

968
01:46:03,180 --> 01:46:03,460
now.

969
01:46:03,540 --> 01:46:04,120
I didn't realize that.

970
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:06,120
I looked for one for a movie last weekend.

971
01:46:06,900 --> 01:46:09,360
Kids are working in the theaters and, you know, stuff like that.

972
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:16,320
So, you know, how are you going to be able to, to do the, the enforcement is a, is a question

973
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:16,860
that I have?

974
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:17,620
Yes, ma'am.

975
01:46:17,900 --> 01:46:18,980
This is complaint-based.

976
01:46:19,180 --> 01:46:24,020
This is not just RPD driving around looking for a kid who they think might be committed

977
01:46:24,020 --> 01:46:24,380
to crime.

978
01:46:24,380 --> 01:46:28,180
This is an actual crime has been committed or alleged to be committed.

979
01:46:29,100 --> 01:46:34,240
And then a stop has occurred and then that interaction between the officer and

980
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:35,940
the individual will occur.

981
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:42,140
So complaint, like an actual violation has occurred, a criminal act has been alleged to have

982
01:46:42,140 --> 01:46:42,440
occurred.

983
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:47,700
And then that puts the officer in the presence of that individual, determined that they

984
01:46:47,700 --> 01:46:53,540
are a juvenile, determined that they're out past proposed curfew hours and have that conversation

985
01:46:53,540 --> 01:46:59,160
about a curfew violation as well as what was the original violation? Was it a traffic offense?

986
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,380
Was it some other crime that was alleged to have been going on?

987
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:09,240
This is my last question. So that kind of you kind of dovetail into one of the things I wanted

988
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:14,220
to raise with you as well as the city attorney, is there not a way to look at making something a

989
01:47:14,220 --> 01:47:19,720
little bit more tailor-made to address the complaints? And so if it's a particular area like we did a lot

990
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:24,040
lot of work you were involved in for years with Glenwood South trying to come up with policies

991
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:32,240
to make that area more safe based on noise ordinances and people being able to get food

992
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:34,520
and stuff at certain times and all of that.

993
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:39,080
To tamp down some of the challenges that the business owners were raising, so is there not

994
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:45,280
a way to kind of come up with some policies that specifically address council member ranch

995
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:52,820
So refer to one of your issues as a particular homeowner's association where they've had kids breaking into the club houses repeatedly.

996
01:47:53,300 --> 01:47:54,920
So we know that there's an issue there.

997
01:47:55,540 --> 01:48:00,380
Is there not a way to kind of streamline and have a policy geared towards what the issues and

998
01:48:00,740 --> 01:48:07,000
the complaints are without having such a broad policy for the entire city.

999
01:48:07,180 --> 01:48:08,900
So you make sure you're correct.

1000
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,920
You just want to say look at specific areas in the city.

1001
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:34,760
specific areas where we've got complaints and what the issues are, so if it's a homeowner's association complaining about people breaking into the clubhouse or if we've got specific business owners complaining about issues ongoing with South, like can we not come up with policies to address the actual complaints and what the issues are without coming up with something that's so incredibly broad and target in kids across the entire city.

1002
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,660
We can, I respect that, ma'am.

1003
01:48:38,380 --> 01:48:53,860
What I would say is that also if we focus on one particular part of the city, and they know that, then they go to another part of the city, and then there's nothing in place that that part of the city, that we really accomplish anything by just designating certain parts of the city.

1004
01:48:54,920 --> 01:49:01,200
I guess I don't necessarily mean like just particular areas but I'm just saying like

1005
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:08,760
if we recognize and maybe we don't necessarily need an ordinance but it may just be that

1006
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:13,820
if you know there you know more issues happening on Glenwood South I mean what are some

1007
01:49:13,820 --> 01:49:18,920
of the things we need to put into Glenwood South if you know that there's a particular community

1008
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:22,620
where homeowners associations are complaining that people are breaking it or you've got

1009
01:49:22,620 --> 01:49:26,720
like a rash or break-ins of cars or things along those lines, can we just not put more

1010
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:32,460
patrols or do more targeted investigation and enforcement in that particular area?

1011
01:49:32,700 --> 01:49:36,460
And then have the flexibility so things start popping up in other parts of town.

1012
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:43,840
You can respond to it that way, but not necessarily having an ordinance for the entire city or

1013
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:49,720
targeting large groups of kids who, you know, again, may be leaving canes games or leaving

1014
01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:54,440
the movie theater or leaving jobs or athletic activities or whatever it is that they're doing.

1015
01:49:55,180 --> 01:50:00,680
I think that's just my concern that kids in certain communities could be targeted for

1016
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:09,240
just doing normal teenage activities if we implement, you know, a curfew along these lines.

1017
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:15,540
We definitely can look at that and, you know, what involves what is involved in that is just hearing

1018
01:50:15,540 --> 01:50:20,200
from the community, here and from the youth, given us that perspective of what they feel,

1019
01:50:20,420 --> 01:50:26,800
how they feel, and how they would like to see if anything put in place to restrict their movements

1020
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:31,820
throughout the city. But I think it's the feedback and listening to our community, which I hope

1021
01:50:31,820 --> 01:50:38,220
they get an opportunity to weigh in on this important topic. Okay, Councilor Jones.

1022
01:50:40,020 --> 01:50:46,100
I like you. Thank you for this. I want to speak to transparency of information. And so,

1023
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:54,500
when, if you can put that slide up of the 800, just to start there. So, you presented

1024
01:50:54,500 --> 01:51:00,900
this earlier that, in 2025, we had 821 juvenile arrests all year and so far, due to date

1025
01:51:00,900 --> 01:51:07,740
where at 894. So, those are numbers that are tangible. How is it possible to get this

1026
01:51:07,740 --> 01:51:27,480
It's quarterly update that I know you do that has these numbers so that it's public facing and is it possible to do that here if I have the community here ready to have this conversation and we want to keep track just to keep points on how how can we make this a more transparent process so that the public knows the numbers that you're looking at as they're happening.

1027
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:33,540
Great question, Council Member Jones, and yes, it is an opportunity for us to be transparent

1028
01:51:33,540 --> 01:51:37,600
and share these numbers with our community in a quarterly report.

1029
01:51:38,420 --> 01:51:39,420
My team is here.

1030
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:42,560
We'll make sure that we include that in my quarterly report.

1031
01:51:43,300 --> 01:51:45,420
And where do we go to find that currently?

1032
01:51:45,500 --> 01:51:49,660
Hopefully we can bring it to the table, but in lieu of that, is it just on the website?

1033
01:51:49,860 --> 01:51:51,940
How can residents access your quarterly updates?

1034
01:51:52,420 --> 01:51:53,660
It will be on a website.

1035
01:51:53,980 --> 01:51:54,480
On the website.

1036
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:57,840
We can share that with the City of Raleigh website as well.

1037
01:51:58,480 --> 01:51:58,500
Okay.

1038
01:51:58,740 --> 01:51:59,180
Thank you so much.

1039
01:51:59,300 --> 01:52:00,280
Yes, ma'am.

1040
01:52:01,100 --> 01:52:01,540
Definitely.

1041
01:52:01,700 --> 01:52:02,920
Thank you for the information.

1042
01:52:03,260 --> 01:52:04,800
And this is our first time seeing it.

1043
01:52:04,940 --> 01:52:06,440
So thank you for presenting it to us.

1044
01:52:06,440 --> 01:52:09,080
My question is around parents.

1045
01:52:10,540 --> 01:52:13,560
I know this is geared towards youth and youth curfew.

1046
01:52:13,860 --> 01:52:19,460
But what's in place to help us get support from the parents

1047
01:52:19,460 --> 01:52:21,860
of the guardian of the youth to make sure they're safe.

1048
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:24,200
Great question, Council Member Branch.

1049
01:52:24,820 --> 01:52:27,800
In this conversation, we understand that the curfew alone

1050
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:28,640
is not to fix.

1051
01:52:29,020 --> 01:52:31,740
It's important that we have feedback from our parents,

1052
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:34,760
from our youth, from our business community as well,

1053
01:52:34,900 --> 01:52:36,500
and just overall city of Raleigh community.

1054
01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:39,800
We need to find those resources for our parents.

1055
01:52:39,980 --> 01:52:41,320
There are some parents that are struggling

1056
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:43,520
just to make ends meet every day.

1057
01:52:44,140 --> 01:52:48,660
And now you put another potential obstacle as some have said

1058
01:52:48,660 --> 01:52:51,120
But in place it's going to make it that much more difficult.

1059
01:52:51,780 --> 01:52:58,600
But as a city, as a community, we still need to identify resources that can help our parents be a parent.

1060
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:02,980
You saw the presentation earlier from my other city department partners.

1061
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:08,980
That's part of that conversation as well, what are we looking at, what can we provide for our parents?

1062
01:53:09,580 --> 01:53:16,920
Don't have an answer for you today, Councilmember Branch, but it's definitely part of the conversation to help parents with this challenge.

1063
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:22,380
Okay. And as we've seen this, I know folks are here. Please get a chance. Are we going

1064
01:53:22,380 --> 01:53:29,000
to have this posted for? So this will be posted for people to look at it. Again, we're

1065
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:33,300
not voting on this today, but definitely a chance. Please provide feedback. I know there's

1066
01:53:33,300 --> 01:53:38,180
some that will speak doing public comment on this as well. But I would say for me and Councillor

1067
01:53:38,180 --> 01:53:47,940
four headed off, I have incidences where I've said in meetings at H O A's where

1068
01:53:47,940 --> 01:53:53,000
people, young people, have broken into their club houses and places around one

1069
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:57,540
o'clock to a clock in the morning. Police have been called. We're just, you know,

1070
01:53:57,640 --> 01:54:02,560
what can we do to try to hold parent? For me, it's all about the home, the

1071
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:06,860
parents. What can we do? What can we put in place? And hopefully, also, if

1072
01:54:06,860 --> 01:54:18,420
nothing else. The fact we're having this conversation, hope there's a wake up call for people to step up and try to help us solve this because I don't feel this is just an issue that only we can solve is going to take all of us.

1073
01:54:19,020 --> 01:54:27,680
It's definitely a community approach and a community approach is needed to address the crime here in Raleigh when it comes to young, young offenders.

1074
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:34,140
I just a piggyback, could I just get clarity from the city attorney on process here?

1075
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:39,100
This is a, we've got an ordinance that you've given us.

1076
01:54:39,860 --> 01:54:43,260
This, you know, where will it be posted, how do people know what's in it?

1077
01:54:43,700 --> 01:54:46,720
And then, what is the public comment, you know, opportunities?

1078
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:52,140
I know we've got some folks today, but could you just kind of outline how this rolls out

1079
01:54:52,140 --> 01:54:52,460
from here?

1080
01:54:53,300 --> 01:54:59,220
So the ordinance has understand it has been uploaded and is available on the city website.

1081
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:08,000
It is certainly up to the council, but we would suggest that this not come back until

1082
01:55:08,540 --> 01:55:15,060
September the 15th, that would create an opportunity for a public comment in September.

1083
01:55:15,660 --> 01:55:26,900
You have the night meeting, the second Tuesday in September, public comment session, as well as you will have another public comment session in September.

1084
01:55:27,500 --> 01:55:30,720
We could bring it back on September 15th, or we could wait.

1085
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:33,180
It is certainly up to the council.

1086
01:55:33,780 --> 01:55:36,460
Okay, thank you, Councilor Silver.

1087
01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:39,580
Can you go to slide about the other cities?

1088
01:55:41,020 --> 01:55:46,620
As we contain this conversation, this is something that Councilmember Patnid asked.

1089
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:52,460
If we could just get some feedback to know, you said you're familiar with Winston-Salem

1090
01:55:52,460 --> 01:55:55,000
for those that put a curfew in place.

1091
01:55:56,010 --> 01:56:03,140
If we could understand the pros and cons, some of the unintended impacts or consequences

1092
01:56:03,140 --> 01:56:04,940
would be helpful for us.

1093
01:56:04,940 --> 01:56:07,880
So, if there is a curfew, we can fine-tune it.

1094
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:09,320
So, that would be helpful.

1095
01:56:09,540 --> 01:56:14,280
Clearly, the hours are different, and the age is different, but that would be very

1096
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:21,640
helpful just to know, since I was a pilot with some of the others, what has been the implications

1097
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:24,820
both positive and negative as a result of the curfew.

1098
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:32,220
The second point is that, you know, you and I spoke before, this was introduced, and I

1099
01:56:32,220 --> 01:56:35,760
I told you from me, it's very important that we have a balanced approach.

1100
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:39,020
As you stated, the curfew is not going to solve the problem.

1101
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:44,280
It is just one tool of many efforts for those that did not see it early.

1102
01:56:44,420 --> 01:56:50,160
We had a presentation from Parks and Recreation, and then all the other partners that help our youth.

1103
01:56:51,040 --> 01:57:00,360
My concern is that I did the numbers 10 to 19 is 12% of our population, that's roughly 60,000 people between that age.

1104
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:03,580
these programs are capturing at best a few thousand.

1105
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:08,380
And so from my perspective, I was very moved by Tyesha Mosley's presentation,

1106
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:11,480
reaching out to the teens about what they're looking for.

1107
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:13,340
Some don't want program events.

1108
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:16,520
They want safe spaces they can hang out without adults.

1109
01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:20,740
And so for me, it's very important that we take a good look at that survey

1110
01:57:20,740 --> 01:57:22,880
because the teens, they want to be heard.

1111
01:57:23,100 --> 01:57:25,780
They're sharing with us the experiences they want

1112
01:57:25,780 --> 01:57:28,780
and want to make sure if we have a curfew,

1113
01:57:28,780 --> 01:57:34,180
We have other programs and we are now listening to create some of those safe spaces.

1114
01:57:34,660 --> 01:57:44,160
I also shared earlier that when I was in New York, we created a yes learning project because we felt in New York City teams were the most targeted population in public space.

1115
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:50,120
We wanted to find how we can create more comfort if there were 16 ages walking down the sidewalk.

1116
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:54,820
What is our first reaction to have our hand or to shut down and walk the other way?

1117
01:57:54,820 --> 01:58:00,220
So I think all of us collectively, parents, citizens really have to do all of the above.

1118
01:58:00,500 --> 01:58:05,040
I think we have to look at the option of a curfew, look at programming, look at other ways

1119
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:08,600
we can hear teens continue these teen summits.

1120
01:58:09,140 --> 01:58:14,060
So I just wanted to know your reaction to have that balance approach that is not just a curfew

1121
01:58:14,060 --> 01:58:15,420
to solve these problems.

1122
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:21,400
There's a broader approach that we, the community, the businesses, parents, nonprofits have

1123
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:23,460
collectively pay attention to.

1124
01:58:23,460 --> 01:58:28,360
So, I could not have said a better sir, that's exactly what it is, is having those conversations

1125
01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:34,900
from all those different, let's say stakeholders in crafting whatever this looks like to keep

1126
01:58:34,900 --> 01:58:37,500
our community safe, to keep our young folks safe.

1127
01:58:37,900 --> 01:58:43,460
It is going to take a community to get us there and obviously partnering with other departments

1128
01:58:43,460 --> 01:58:48,120
within the city of Raleigh, but also throughout this community, a lot of nonprofits, some of

1129
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:50,820
that are here that are doing amazing work in our community.

1130
01:58:50,820 --> 01:58:53,200
do we need to look at, let's say, programming?

1131
01:58:53,460 --> 01:58:56,240
What time are we offering these resources?

1132
01:58:56,740 --> 01:58:58,360
Is that something we need to look at?

1133
01:58:58,540 --> 01:58:58,940
Absolutely.

1134
01:58:59,620 --> 01:59:02,620
So it's a conversation that we need to have,

1135
01:59:03,060 --> 01:59:05,740
and I look forward to the feedback that we'll get today,

1136
01:59:05,980 --> 01:59:08,040
and going forward, and what that looks like.

1137
01:59:08,360 --> 01:59:10,280
But I just want you, and everyone in this community,

1138
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:12,960
know that from the police department perspective,

1139
01:59:13,240 --> 01:59:13,840
it's all about safety.

1140
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:18,260
It's not about targeting anyone, it's about community safety.

1141
01:59:19,860 --> 01:59:22,260
Chief, I have one question for you.

1142
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:29,560
In some of this debate, we have referenced that as mayor, I have the ability to call

1143
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:30,560
an emergency curfew.

1144
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:34,900
And that is in our current city ordinance and I am certainly, you know, with Stan willing

1145
01:59:34,900 --> 01:59:38,720
to do that and obviously we'll work with the chief to understand if that's necessary.

1146
01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:47,540
But for you, what is the advantage of not relying on those emergency, you know, and having

1147
01:59:47,540 --> 01:59:53,660
any more permanent curfew, what are the pros and cons for you of going this route versus

1148
01:59:53,660 --> 01:59:55,620
just relying on this emergency tool?

1149
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:56,920
Who wanted a pros is that.

1150
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:28,080
We're not making phone calls in the middle of an incident where we need to enact a curfew. It's already there. We know what the protocol is. We can quickly address whatever issue and keep everyone safe and move on. If we don't have it in place, something happens. We're in the middle, let's use July 4th. I'm making phone calls with you, the manager. We're having a conversation. While we're having a conversation, things are happening.

1151
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:32,520
While we're having a conversation, someone might be getting hurt.

1152
02:00:33,500 --> 02:00:39,200
And we're just in the middle of it, and we're trying to make a decision whether to enact a curfew.

1153
02:00:39,620 --> 02:00:43,520
The biggest piece in this, in a situation like that, is communication.

1154
02:00:44,180 --> 02:00:47,440
How quickly can we get this message out to our community?

1155
02:00:47,860 --> 02:00:54,220
Who's going to be paying attention to their phone at one in the morning when you have chaos going on?

1156
02:00:54,220 --> 02:00:59,040
And so we're going to be behind the eight ball in just a communication gap of

1157
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:03,160
notifying our community that there is a curfew, emergency curfew in place.

1158
02:01:03,460 --> 02:01:08,800
How quickly can we get that to our media partners to disseminate that through, through the media.

1159
02:01:09,380 --> 02:01:13,120
So just be behind the eight ball and communicate that to our community.

1160
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:14,440
All right, thank you.

1161
02:01:14,980 --> 02:01:16,240
Yes, Mayor Patel.

1162
02:01:16,640 --> 02:01:19,320
Yeah, thank you so much Chief Boys for the presentation.

1163
02:01:19,320 --> 02:01:26,760
I think what I have been really wrestling with are just the root causes of youth violence

1164
02:01:26,760 --> 02:01:32,320
and when young people are involved in criminal activity and I think a lot of us, you know,

1165
02:01:32,420 --> 02:01:37,020
we know where that comes from, you know, it's a lack of opportunity, sometimes it's a lack

1166
02:01:37,020 --> 02:01:37,680
of structure.

1167
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:44,660
We don't have, in my opinion, state or national leaders that model what we ought to be

1168
02:01:44,660 --> 02:01:51,840
seen for Raleigh. We don't always have the investments in education, in mental health, and social

1169
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:57,700
services that we need. We do not have proper gun control. And so a lot of these topics, they go

1170
02:01:57,700 --> 02:02:03,900
beyond the city of Raleigh, and we need help from real leaders across our country. I do want to just

1171
02:02:03,900 --> 02:02:10,400
note, if you are looking for gun locks, you can get those at all of our RPD district offices.

1172
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:14,340
so please lock up your weapons.

1173
02:02:14,920 --> 02:02:18,800
You know, I do not want to see more young people with access to guns

1174
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:23,500
because all of a sudden a fight just becomes that much more scary, that much more dangerous.

1175
02:02:24,260 --> 02:02:28,400
I'm really looking forward to our youth programming options to increase

1176
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:30,920
and add capacity to those to work with our partners.

1177
02:02:31,620 --> 02:02:37,780
And I know I felt really hot after Glenwood South, after Breyer Creek on the 4th of July, a lot of us did.

1178
02:02:37,780 --> 02:02:42,040
and so I'm looking now to, you know, be a little bit more.

1179
02:02:42,280 --> 02:02:44,320
I'm going to say thoughtful and hear from everyone

1180
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:47,820
about this curfew idea, how this could impact folks,

1181
02:02:48,100 --> 02:02:50,040
and just want to hear from residents

1182
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:53,240
on, you know, whether this feels like the right move,

1183
02:02:53,560 --> 02:02:56,220
but we do have time before we would enact anything.

1184
02:02:58,890 --> 02:03:01,630
Okay, any other questions on this topic?

1185
02:03:01,810 --> 02:03:01,930
Yes.

1186
02:03:03,190 --> 02:03:06,590
Maybe more feedback, but I know we're eager to move on

1187
02:03:06,590 --> 02:03:10,030
to the next. So a couple of things that I've been

1188
02:03:10,030 --> 02:03:14,530
thinking about, I agree, when right after the events of July 4th, we were all very troubled.

1189
02:03:14,810 --> 02:03:18,490
And I think, I feared that that would happen again, but I think across the country,

1190
02:03:18,970 --> 02:03:24,510
cities that experience teen takeovers have not seen recurrence of that. And so I also want to be more

1191
02:03:24,510 --> 02:03:29,410
thoughtful. Ultimately, this is a curtailing of people's rights to move around their city freely,

1192
02:03:29,410 --> 02:03:34,710
and that should be done with extreme care and caution. And one thing that I'm a little,

1193
02:03:34,710 --> 02:03:48,150
So, you know, that I'm ruminating on a lot here is that the thought is if we tell all the law binding children to be at home, then they'll be out of the way of any violence that might occur from other people who will not abide the laws.

1194
02:03:48,750 --> 02:04:04,690
And I'm not sure that that is like the approach we want to take to public safety even think we could then begin to, I mean, I mean, I think about how we would apply that logic to like, should women just not be allowed in bars because then they won't get raped or should people just not go to school?

1195
02:04:04,690 --> 02:04:11,390
to concerts because they might get AP in experienced mass violence and I'm not sure that that's a line

1196
02:04:11,390 --> 02:04:18,370
of thinking we want to guide our public safety approach. Another thing that I'm a little bit

1197
02:04:18,370 --> 02:04:24,430
challenged by is these exceptions carve out moving from one private space to another which I fear

1198
02:04:25,790 --> 02:04:30,790
just rewards folks with money, right? If you are a kid who can afford to go to the Keynes game

1199
02:04:30,790 --> 02:04:37,210
and you're going to go from your Keynes game straight home, then you qualify for this

1200
02:04:37,210 --> 02:04:41,770
exception, but if you are a person who can only afford to cook out milkshake and would

1201
02:04:41,770 --> 02:04:48,310
like to have your unstructured time out of your parents eye, then you're not.

1202
02:04:48,490 --> 02:04:52,750
You don't qualify for an exception, and so I fear that there's a little bit of a social

1203
02:04:52,750 --> 02:04:55,550
stratification that we're creating here through these exceptions.

1204
02:04:56,330 --> 02:05:03,430
But the part that I do resonate with is that the parental accountability piece, I really

1205
02:05:03,430 --> 02:05:04,290
do resonate with that.

1206
02:05:04,390 --> 02:05:08,530
The idea that if your kid is going to get up to mischief, you're going to have responsibility

1207
02:05:08,530 --> 02:05:14,370
there and that maybe there's more we can do, and so I guess the feedback I would offer

1208
02:05:14,370 --> 02:05:20,790
is to explore if there are legal ways to amp up that parental accountability piece which

1209
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:27,350
I do think is valid without such a sweeping curtailment of people's ability to move around

1210
02:05:27,350 --> 02:05:27,710
their city.

1211
02:05:27,890 --> 02:05:32,370
So are there ways we can update our ordinance if you are breaking into the clubhouse,

1212
02:05:32,650 --> 02:05:37,410
we are going to detain you until your parents come or whatever, like all these other mischief

1213
02:05:37,410 --> 02:05:43,110
making activities, can we just like crank up the parental accountability piece, I do want

1214
02:05:43,110 --> 02:05:46,410
to give you that tool and I do resonate with that as an important piece of the pie.

1215
02:05:47,130 --> 02:05:47,710
Thank you.

1216
02:05:48,970 --> 02:05:51,450
Any other comment on this topic?

1217
02:05:52,090 --> 02:05:59,830
Okay, and as you heard, more to come, but thank you Chief, thank you City Attorney and we will move on to other items on our agenda.

1218
02:06:00,030 --> 02:06:00,710
Do we need to do anything?

1219
02:06:01,350 --> 02:06:11,330
So is the direction that we will bring this back in September or wait until October so that you have two full public comment sessions?

1220
02:06:13,210 --> 02:06:15,610
I think we want the two public comment sessions.

1221
02:06:15,610 --> 02:06:20,990
I mean that's kind of what my understanding so whatever date that leads us to okay, so we would

1222
02:06:21,870 --> 02:06:26,570
I think we can still accomplish that on the 15th because you have some that can speak today

1223
02:06:26,570 --> 02:06:30,250
And then you'll have the dedicated public comment section on September 8th

1224
02:06:30,810 --> 02:06:34,510
And then on the 15th meeting there's a public comment opportunity as well

1225
02:06:34,510 --> 02:06:38,850
And we can put it on the agenda so that it can come after the public comment section

1226
02:06:38,850 --> 02:06:42,170
Okay sounds like a plan. Thank you

1227
02:06:42,170 --> 02:06:46,750
All right, we have the consent agenda.

1228
02:06:47,190 --> 02:06:51,290
We had no items pulled to my understanding, so is there a motion?

1229
02:06:53,620 --> 02:06:54,700
All in favor of that motion?

1230
02:06:54,820 --> 02:06:54,980
Aye.

1231
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:58,980
All opposed nay, so that is unanimous.

1232
02:06:59,180 --> 02:07:05,260
We will now move into public comment, and I have Justin Clifton.

1233
02:07:07,610 --> 02:07:14,150
And this is one minute per person because we have 40 folks signed up, so yeah.

1234
02:07:18,630 --> 02:07:19,630
Testing.

1235
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:20,630
Yep.

1236
02:07:21,010 --> 02:07:24,970
Well, I wasn't nervous to go first, but after hearing the poem earlier, I maybe need

1237
02:07:24,970 --> 02:07:25,730
to reevaluate.

1238
02:07:26,810 --> 02:07:28,430
Good afternoon, councilmembers.

1239
02:07:29,230 --> 02:07:35,130
You may have noticed as you walk or drive our city that a legion of cameras have appeared

1240
02:07:35,130 --> 02:07:36,230
on our roads and streets.

1241
02:07:37,130 --> 02:07:43,110
These automated license plate readers photograph every passing car, log where it was, and win

1242
02:07:43,110 --> 02:07:46,790
as well as images of the vehicle into a searchable database.

1243
02:07:46,790 --> 02:07:54,230
driving here today cameras on US 70, I 40 and 540 logged my route and they do

1244
02:07:54,230 --> 02:07:58,510
the same to everyone here today and every citizen of Raleigh without good

1245
02:07:58,510 --> 02:08:04,070
reason. Despite their proliferation to my knowledge council has never voted on

1246
02:08:04,070 --> 02:08:10,230
this powerful surveillance technology. These devices are in desperate need of

1247
02:08:10,230 --> 02:08:14,610
oversight. Here's an example of what happens without oversight in Morrisville, North

1248
02:08:14,610 --> 02:08:22,610
Carolina right down the road, an officer logged into flock 31 times to stock her boyfriend's ex-wife, and falsified the reason for 29.

1249
02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:34,880
Thank you so much.

1250
02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:38,380
Tatiana Cooper?

1251
02:08:44,860 --> 02:08:45,620
Perfect timing.

1252
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,800
Good afternoon, Mayor Cowell and members of Raleigh City Council.

1253
02:08:50,200 --> 02:08:55,540
I am Tatiana Cooper and I am here to represent saving adolescent girls everywhere, also known as Sage.

1254
02:08:56,140 --> 02:08:57,840
Sage is a weekly mentorship program.

1255
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:03,580
We currently serve 30 girls from the ages of 12 to 18 with a current weightless of 386 girls

1256
02:09:03,580 --> 02:09:09,580
For three years, we've been a reliable partner with Raleigh Parks and Recreation receiving funding and transportation in Karn

1257
02:09:10,280 --> 02:09:16,800
Recently the partnership ended due to Raleigh Parks adopting a new co-op model leaving us only the summer to find alternate funding resources

1258
02:09:17,400 --> 02:09:23,620
This is an unexpected decision for an organization that consistently serves and mentors adolescent girls

1259
02:09:23,620 --> 02:09:33,300
Today we ask that the City of Raleigh consider grandfathering sage into a three to five year contract or established metrics that would allow us to qualify for longer term funding.

1260
02:09:33,940 --> 02:09:38,280
In light of the recent takeovers, we are stressing the importance of supporting our teens.

1261
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:45,860
Sage provides a safe environment with a 99% retention rate, zero suspensions and a 100% graduation rate.

1262
02:09:46,260 --> 02:09:48,460
We got our girls through both middle and red.

1263
02:09:57,730 --> 02:09:58,350
Thank you.

1264
02:10:04,420 --> 02:10:05,540
Shane Stanley.

1265
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:18,480
Hello, Councilmembers. My name is Shane Stanley. I am a Glenwood South resident, former

1266
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:22,280
NC State student and former Raleigh teenager. I'm here to challenge the ongoing narrative

1267
02:10:22,280 --> 02:10:26,340
of simply dismissing this incident as a team takeover. I was on Glenwood South on the 4th

1268
02:10:26,340 --> 02:10:29,820
of July and I would not describe the agitators as teenagers, or rather they were grown adults.

1269
02:10:30,160 --> 02:10:33,800
Calling it a team takeover is a deflection so you all can slap a curfew on the issue,

1270
02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:37,180
and don't have to address the controversial topic of gun violence in our city.

1271
02:10:37,580 --> 02:10:41,640
The gun violence in Glenwood South has been happening and increasing long before this so-called

1272
02:10:41,640 --> 02:10:53,080
team takeover event. The police chief himself said, we were prepared for the crowds. What we weren't prepared for was the amount of guns we recovered off people. Yet we're still supposed to blame the crowds, not the proliferation of guns for the violence.

1273
02:10:53,680 --> 02:11:09,360
WRIL reported 27 adults, mostly from out of town, were arrested, so why are we punishing our city's teenagers? Implementing a curfew increases workload on our police force, increases citizen interactions with police officers, and waste our city resources, all while not actually addressing the gun violence issue.

1274
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:17,500
Thank you. My question to you is, what actual measurable policies are you having adults with you?

1275
02:11:22,420 --> 02:11:22,920
Thank you.

1276
02:11:26,230 --> 02:11:27,390
Kerry Bennington.

1277
02:11:31,540 --> 02:11:35,900
Kerry here. Okay. Jane Hubbard.

1278
02:11:50,940 --> 02:11:52,240
If y'all can let the speaker

1279
02:11:52,240 --> 02:11:55,320
come down so that we're not delaying the meeting, thank you.

1280
02:12:00,910 --> 02:12:06,970
Your parks recreation and Greenway advisory board composed of park advocates who are well

1281
02:12:06,970 --> 02:12:12,270
verse in this area and spent more time on it than you can imagine.

1282
02:12:12,910 --> 02:12:22,230
They voted 9 to 5, not to recommend to this Council, the City's proposed project, routing

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through Anderson Forest.

1284
02:12:24,190 --> 02:12:25,450
Why did they do that?

1285
02:12:26,050 --> 02:12:33,670
Because of deception and bias by city staff and public presentations, even to you, deception

1286
02:12:33,670 --> 02:12:42,830
action and bias in public surveys, environmental concerns, including the gross violation of our perian water quality rules.

1287
02:12:43,450 --> 02:12:53,190
Condemnation of a conservation easement, flooding in other public safety concerns, high cost, very high cost, and poor trail quality.

1288
02:12:53,850 --> 02:13:01,210
Why would you believe what the city staff said over your own advisory committee is selected?

1289
02:13:01,210 --> 02:13:02,450
Thank you.

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02:13:03,730 --> 02:13:04,930
Robert Hubbard.

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02:13:14,950 --> 02:13:21,250
Regarding the potential kind of nation of a long-standing conservation easement and

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02:13:21,250 --> 02:13:26,810
private backyards in Anderson Forest, better alternatives exist that could achieve cost

1293
02:13:26,810 --> 02:13:28,870
effective greenway connection.

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02:13:29,550 --> 02:13:35,570
Using existing public street rights of way, many miles of street and sidewalk connections

1295
02:13:35,570 --> 02:13:40,190
already exists throughout Raleigh's greenway system, with good alternatives

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02:13:40,190 --> 02:13:45,290
condemnation is unnecessary. It is irresponsible and illogical

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02:13:45,290 --> 02:13:50,150
to spend millions more than the entire big branch bond allocation

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02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:54,910
on a short poor quality route with so many problems. This is

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02:13:54,910 --> 02:13:58,630
especially true when a street and sidewalk connector would adequately

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02:13:58,630 --> 02:14:03,440
serve the vast majority of the greenway using public at one tenth of

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02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:09,780
the cost. And if the multimodal bridge is never completed, a bad decision creates an

1302
02:14:09,780 --> 02:14:13,900
embarrassingly expensive seldom used greenway to know where.

1303
02:14:15,420 --> 02:14:16,260
Thank you.

1304
02:14:18,710 --> 02:14:19,650
Horace Clemens.

1305
02:14:23,960 --> 02:14:27,560
Council, I have been for you over the last three years,

1306
02:14:27,860 --> 02:14:33,420
three or four different times to discuss issues with the NOAA's ordinance as it relates to commercial

1307
02:14:33,420 --> 02:14:41,060
next to residential. And I've seen nothing change that would solve the problem specifically

1308
02:14:41,060 --> 02:14:46,800
of my complaints against Pratt Industries. Pratt is now going to go to 24-hour operation

1309
02:14:47,380 --> 02:14:51,640
and they will be able to continue to disturb the residents that are adjacent to them.

1310
02:14:52,220 --> 02:14:57,000
I was told I would get a chance to review the new ordinance. I got a phone call. I have

1311
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,500
To that, I would appreciate that ability. Thank you. Thank you.

1312
02:15:07,570 --> 02:15:08,850
Jonathan Garland.

1313
02:15:11,810 --> 02:15:33,630
I'm here to present a common occurrence. Residents were labeled publicly as being in violation, not because they broke any rule, but because the enforcement process misunderstood the mathematics needed to determine what a violation actually was. That happened during the recently lifted watering restrictions. Drip irrigation was fully unrestricted. Your residents who were only using drip irrigation were singled out and issued violations.

1314
02:15:33,630 --> 02:15:40,650
any way. I provided the city with the educational materials showing why the drip flow rates were being misinterpreted.

1315
02:15:40,650 --> 02:15:48,510
Once that information was reviewed, many of those violations were rescinded. On July 9th, WRA reported 46% of irrigation systems were in violation.

1316
02:15:49,110 --> 02:15:58,590
Only 17% of the violations that were actually valid within my customer base. That means the true violation rate wasn't 46% is publicly announced.

1317
02:15:58,590 --> 02:16:00,350
It was likely closer to 7%.

1318
02:16:00,350 --> 02:16:05,290
A discrepancy that large should be corrected publicly as it was announced publicly.

1319
02:16:06,130 --> 02:16:11,070
We must prepare, trust in the enforcement process by correcting this enforcement process.

1320
02:16:11,790 --> 02:16:12,870
Thank you.

1321
02:16:15,670 --> 02:16:17,030
Zyna Balah.

1322
02:16:22,040 --> 02:16:22,900
Good afternoon.

1323
02:16:23,340 --> 02:16:24,140
People are hurting.

1324
02:16:24,360 --> 02:16:25,400
Our city is hurting.

1325
02:16:25,740 --> 02:16:26,300
Trigger warning.

1326
02:16:26,820 --> 02:16:30,520
This weekend a black man was found hanging from a tree in downtown Raleigh.

1327
02:16:30,820 --> 02:16:34,020
Whatever this investigation ultimately finds the reality is horrible.

1328
02:16:34,020 --> 02:16:36,240
and the response has exposed something else.

1329
02:16:36,520 --> 02:16:40,280
There is a deep lack of trust between parts of this community in our police department.

1330
02:16:40,760 --> 02:16:46,160
And in this moment, we're considering giving that system another reason to police our children.

1331
02:16:46,640 --> 02:16:48,280
The police's shape gave a lot of data.

1332
02:16:48,680 --> 02:16:54,460
I'd also like to highlight the statistic that black residents in Raleigh are arrested at a rate five times more than white residents.

1333
02:16:54,820 --> 02:16:58,980
If any other city department had this type of racial bias, it would be dismantled.

1334
02:16:59,420 --> 02:17:03,760
Also, there is a teen curfew in Fayetteville that is currently failing that the police don't even like.

1335
02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:06,000
How does the curfew make young people safer?

1336
02:17:06,380 --> 02:17:10,640
Does it improve their mental health, give them somewhere to go, give them jobs, mentors, community?

1337
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:16,640
No, you can't build a city around adult nightlife, counsel literally made a whole social district around drinking.

1338
02:17:17,060 --> 02:17:24,060
Then give teenagers nowhere comparable together, we don't have any teen districts, and then criminalize them for showing up.

1339
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:34,890
A. Our steward.

1340
02:17:34,890 --> 02:17:35,810
Good

1341
02:17:42,630 --> 02:17:43,130
afternoon.

1342
02:17:44,050 --> 02:17:50,010
Streamside option 1B of the Big Branch Greenway Connector Project has become a breach of trust

1343
02:17:50,010 --> 02:17:56,350
and transparency, property rights, environmental responsibility, and fiscal accountability.

1344
02:17:56,930 --> 02:18:02,270
Throughout this process, residents have repeatedly had to uncover vital information that should

1345
02:18:02,270 --> 02:18:03,890
have been provided openly.

1346
02:18:04,470 --> 02:18:09,150
We have watched the city pursue an option that conflicts with its own environmental protections

1347
02:18:09,150 --> 02:18:11,910
while the projected cost has exploded.

1348
02:18:12,450 --> 02:18:18,190
What was presented as a project that would fit within a roughly 4.5 million bond allocation

1349
02:18:18,530 --> 02:18:23,750
is now estimated at nearly 9 million, and that's before the cost of acquiring private

1350
02:18:23,750 --> 02:18:26,730
property and condemnation litigation.

1351
02:18:27,270 --> 02:18:33,150
This is not fiscal responsibility, especially when Raleigh is facing continuing budget deficits.

1352
02:18:33,150 --> 02:18:42,830
This council has an obligation to protect taxpayers, respect, private property, uphold its own environmental commitments, and be honest with its citizens.

1353
02:18:45,030 --> 02:18:45,830
Thank you.

1354
02:18:47,210 --> 02:18:48,290
Mises Altari,

1355
02:18:53,290 --> 02:18:54,150
Jeremy Gilchrist.

1356
02:19:00,290 --> 02:19:07,730
This past Saturday the disturbing news of a black man hanging from a tree in downtown Raleigh made its way through our streets and across the nation.

1357
02:19:08,350 --> 02:19:12,550
The implications of this and the obvious connection with the worst chapters of our history are clear.

1358
02:19:13,170 --> 02:19:19,510
lynchings were one of many episodes of white savagery in an effort to preserve systemic

1359
02:19:19,510 --> 02:19:20,910
pale-faced supremacy.

1360
02:19:21,330 --> 02:19:25,910
My own privilege is soaked in the blood of countless black bodies, and these unspeakable

1361
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:28,050
acts occurring over the course of hundreds of years.

1362
02:19:28,510 --> 02:19:33,630
It was said that the speculation was harmful, but it is just another manifestation of deep

1363
02:19:33,630 --> 02:19:39,470
trauma and a complete lack of trust in all institutions in the shadow of overt fascism in this country.

1364
02:19:40,010 --> 02:19:45,170
Even if it was a suicide, the victim was still a casualty murdered by this horrific system.

1365
02:19:45,870 --> 02:19:49,630
The so-called team takeover on Glenwood is one more.

1366
02:19:50,050 --> 02:19:53,150
The younger generations feel, in large part, that there is no real future.

1367
02:19:53,610 --> 02:19:56,370
More policing and curfews will not change that mindset.

1368
02:19:56,830 --> 02:20:01,670
It only deepened the problem as it inevitably means more police, more arrests, and the lives

1369
02:20:01,670 --> 02:20:02,750
of young people of color.

1370
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:22,020
I have been sitting here listening to the council, but I would like to say in 2007,

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02:20:22,580 --> 02:20:29,640
Southeast Raleigh had the highest number of murders, which was 15, in 2007, on the corner

1372
02:20:29,640 --> 02:20:37,580
of the 300 block of Tobbe Road, a young man was shot and killed, and he ran across to the

1373
02:20:37,580 --> 02:20:44,780
the side of the top of road and we were dropping flyers. He died in my lap. He died in my lap.

1374
02:20:45,220 --> 02:20:51,460
And this young man was so afraid. He was crying. And you know what I told him? It's all right.

1375
02:20:52,000 --> 02:21:00,280
It's all right. Because I knew he was dying. And a lot of people asked me that didn't bother you.

1376
02:21:00,680 --> 02:21:07,060
I said it did in a sense, but I got my shift together. I would just like to say this.

1377
02:21:07,060 --> 02:21:15,620
Y'all have been here before. Y'all have really been here before. It's just that y'all are not following the process of Chief Dolan.

1378
02:21:16,680 --> 02:21:17,240
Thank

1379
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:29,280
you.

1380
02:21:31,980 --> 02:21:33,440
We're a minute.

1381
02:21:33,980 --> 02:21:36,620
What? Yeah, thank you.

1382
02:21:38,860 --> 02:21:39,720
Emma Hughes.

1383
02:21:41,320 --> 02:21:42,760
Emma here. Yeah, okay.

1384
02:21:55,090 --> 02:21:59,570
Hello, council. My name is Emma Hughes and I live on the 400 block of South Bloodworth Street.

1385
02:21:59,570 --> 02:22:06,770
I'm here today because Raleigh's residential parking permit program is unnecessarily cumbersome on individual residents and especially renters.

1386
02:22:07,290 --> 02:22:09,530
I'm asking the council to take three immediate actions.

1387
02:22:09,530 --> 02:22:14,470
One, fix the underlying process by reforming the city's residential parking policies and signage.

1388
02:22:14,830 --> 02:22:20,150
Two, protect residents while parking restrictions are under review by pausing citations in those areas.

1389
02:22:20,630 --> 02:22:26,310
And three, remove all-time limiting parking signage in the 400 block of South Bloodworth Street, which is eligible for the program.

1390
02:22:26,310 --> 02:22:30,990
For renters, the barriers to qualify for the parking program are higher than homeowners.

1391
02:22:31,570 --> 02:22:38,470
Renters are responsible for navigating the process, but much of the power is to complete it rest with property owners who may not even live in the state.

1392
02:22:38,990 --> 02:22:46,510
And in some cases, tenants are required to obtain notarized affidavits from property owners, including out of state management companies just to participate in the program.

1393
02:22:47,190 --> 02:22:52,210
Renters live in Raleigh, pay taxes here and are subject to the same parking restrictions, but we have far less power to change them.

1394
02:22:52,210 --> 02:22:55,590
I'm bringing this issue to council because I've personally followed the process.

1395
02:22:56,130 --> 02:22:56,950
Thank you.

1396
02:22:59,160 --> 02:22:59,800
Mary Thompson.

1397
02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:03,140
Okay.

1398
02:23:03,560 --> 02:23:04,040
Not seeing.

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02:23:04,380 --> 02:23:04,640
Mary.

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02:23:05,020 --> 02:23:05,580
Chris Crew.

1401
02:23:15,620 --> 02:23:16,100
Good afternoon.

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02:23:16,320 --> 02:23:19,560
Thank you for your time and for your immense effort on our behalf.

1403
02:23:20,260 --> 02:23:23,500
Our neighborhoods are the framework upon which we build community.

1404
02:23:23,820 --> 02:23:28,980
We have a rich and diverse assortment of neighborhoods spread across 96,000 acres.

1405
02:23:29,620 --> 02:23:33,880
And who knows which ones of these will last to add to the distinction that the Oakwoods

1406
02:23:33,880 --> 02:23:37,960
five points, the Prince Halls, the Oberlin's Bring to Raleigh.

1407
02:23:37,960 --> 02:23:42,440
These are important enough to us that the UDO says we will accommodate and encourage

1408
02:23:42,440 --> 02:23:46,980
development in existing neighborhoods while reinforcing the established character of

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02:23:46,980 --> 02:23:52,960
the neighborhood and mitigating impacts on the adjacent homes at section 2.2.7.

1410
02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:59,280
Preservation is not about nebianism, it's not anti-growth, it's not fossilization.

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02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:04,880
Preservation is about the maintenance of the neighborhood framework that allows us to build community.

1412
02:24:05,280 --> 02:24:05,660
Thank you.

1413
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:06,840
Thank you.

1414
02:24:08,970 --> 02:24:10,150
Ramaya Robinson.

1415
02:24:17,470 --> 02:24:17,990
Good afternoon.

1416
02:24:18,330 --> 02:24:19,030
My name is Ramaya.

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02:24:19,310 --> 02:24:21,490
I'm a youth organizer with education justice alliance.

1418
02:24:22,310 --> 02:24:26,950
So recently we saw that cities across North Carolina and across the United States have been

1419
02:24:26,950 --> 02:24:31,390
asking for these curfews because of these team takeovers, right?

1420
02:24:31,830 --> 02:24:36,710
And I put in quote, team takeovers because the news and observer reported 29 of those arrests

1421
02:24:36,710 --> 02:24:37,870
Yes, we're 18 and up.

1422
02:24:39,270 --> 02:24:45,150
Across 12 quantitative studies done by the Campbell Institute, curfews have no meaningful

1423
02:24:45,150 --> 02:24:47,230
impact on juvenile offending.

1424
02:24:47,970 --> 02:24:51,870
The data shows that instead of creating safety, curfews increase the surveillance and

1425
02:24:51,870 --> 02:24:56,350
criminalization of young people, especially black youth, simply for being present in public

1426
02:24:56,350 --> 02:24:56,770
spaces.

1427
02:24:57,370 --> 02:24:58,370
I work with teenagers.

1428
02:24:58,870 --> 02:25:02,490
I've asked them where to hang out, nowhere, because they can't.

1429
02:25:02,590 --> 02:25:04,830
They can't go to the mall, they can't go to the movies.

1430
02:25:04,830 --> 02:25:10,370
There are curfews already in place in all the areas that when I was a kid, I hung out at.

1431
02:25:10,790 --> 02:25:18,890
So if we want them to be able to show up in these spaces, we have to ask them where they want to go, what they need.

1432
02:25:19,950 --> 02:25:20,630
Thank you.

1433
02:25:23,490 --> 02:25:24,250
Karen Brown,

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02:25:36,020 --> 02:25:38,000
good afternoon, my name is Karen Brown.

1435
02:25:38,440 --> 02:25:40,980
I'm asking you to deny Z4325.

1436
02:25:41,860 --> 02:25:46,700
When our case was heard by the Planning Commission last week, Commissioner Neptune thoughtfully walked through Raleigh's

1437
02:25:46,700 --> 02:25:51,600
Raleigh's comprehensive plan, applied it directly to our neighborhood, considering infrastructure,

1438
02:25:51,940 --> 02:25:54,980
community character, surrounding density streets, and safety.

1439
02:25:55,640 --> 02:26:00,660
Commissioner Shelburne acknowledged that his analysis was incredibly thoughtful and well researched.

1440
02:26:00,940 --> 02:26:07,000
Yet his vote relied on what he called general observations about Raleigh's need for housing and continued growth.

1441
02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:14,120
A general philosophy about growth should not outweigh a site-specific analysis based on Raleigh's own adopted policies.

1442
02:26:14,120 --> 02:26:20,360
An appointed commissioners' personal beliefs should never override the policies they were appointed to apply.

1443
02:26:20,900 --> 02:26:27,140
You appoint these commissioners and residents need to trust that these appointments will uphold the planning framework you adopted.

1444
02:26:27,580 --> 02:26:29,880
Otherwise, what's the point of the comprehensive plan?

1445
02:26:30,400 --> 02:26:33,920
Raleigh will grow, the responsibility is deciding where that growth belongs.

1446
02:26:34,480 --> 02:26:38,000
So the question before you is simple, does this level of growth belong here?

1447
02:26:40,340 --> 02:26:41,180
Thank you.

1448
02:26:55,320 --> 02:26:59,580
I'm a competitive mountain bike racer so I'm very comfortable on a bike, but during

1449
02:26:59,580 --> 02:27:03,240
many parts of the day, I don't even feel comfortable riding out of my own driveway

1450
02:27:03,720 --> 02:27:04,560
and onto my street.

1451
02:27:05,000 --> 02:27:09,500
I have to have my parents load my bike onto a car and drive me somewhere safe.

1452
02:27:09,860 --> 02:27:16,200
Isn't it strange that I feel more comfortable riding on difficult, unsafe terrain with a hundred

1453
02:27:16,200 --> 02:27:22,320
other kids than on my own street. This isn't just about riding my bike. I'm 15, I'm at an age

1454
02:27:22,320 --> 02:27:26,680
where I'm exploring more and I should be getting more independence. It's hard to have independence

1455
02:27:26,680 --> 02:27:31,940
when you can't get to where you should be, want to be. I also have two younger brothers as they

1456
02:27:31,940 --> 02:27:37,820
get older. I want this road to be safe for them as well. More traffic looks like numbers on paper,

1457
02:27:38,020 --> 02:27:42,700
but for the people that live there, numbers don't really matter as much. Please think about the kids

1458
02:27:42,700 --> 02:27:44,500
who live here before adding more traffic.

1459
02:27:45,060 --> 02:27:47,460
Please deny Z4325, thank you.

1460
02:27:47,620 --> 02:27:47,980
Thank you.

1461
02:27:51,330 --> 02:27:52,190
Philip Brown.

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02:28:00,230 --> 02:28:01,390
That's my boy, appreciate it.

1463
02:28:01,810 --> 02:28:04,790
I want to respectfully correct several points raised

1464
02:28:04,790 --> 02:28:07,330
during the planning commission's discussion of Z4325.

1465
02:28:07,810 --> 02:28:08,990
First Commissioner Baird referenced

1466
02:28:08,990 --> 02:28:11,550
the approximately 32 hens that could be potentially developed

1467
02:28:11,550 --> 02:28:12,690
under the property's current zoning.

1468
02:28:13,110 --> 02:28:16,010
And we've never argued that only 12 hens can legally be built.

1469
02:28:16,130 --> 02:28:19,950
We argued simply that 12 hens represents a responsible scale

1470
02:28:19,950 --> 02:28:21,250
of development for the infrastructure

1471
02:28:21,250 --> 02:28:22,530
that actually exists today.

1472
02:28:22,530 --> 02:28:27,150
And ultimately, the appropriate transportation authority, not the neighbors, will determine what access is permitted.

1473
02:28:27,650 --> 02:28:31,790
But the larger issue, the previous planning commission studied this case extensively and

1474
02:28:31,790 --> 02:28:33,110
recommended to now eight to one.

1475
02:28:33,610 --> 02:28:39,610
And after the commission's membership change, and some members were recused, denial still prevailed four to three.

1476
02:28:40,050 --> 02:28:41,390
We lost only one vote.

1477
02:28:42,190 --> 02:28:45,970
What changed, not the road, not the infrastructure, not the comp plan, the commission changed.

1478
02:28:46,190 --> 02:28:51,470
New members, without the same months of history, were asked to suddenly decide the fate of an existing case.

1479
02:28:51,470 --> 02:28:53,690
And that exposes a fundamental fall in this process.

1480
02:28:53,890 --> 02:28:57,190
Cases of this consequentiality deserve continuity.

1481
02:28:57,430 --> 02:29:00,430
Commissioners deciding them should have the same death of information,

1482
02:29:00,670 --> 02:29:03,090
not simply inherit the final chapter in Casavote.

1483
02:29:05,090 --> 02:29:06,210
Thank you.

1484
02:29:08,360 --> 02:29:09,180
Marissa Green.

1485
02:29:17,310 --> 02:29:20,670
I am Marissa Green and I'm here in opposition to Z4325.

1486
02:29:21,270 --> 02:29:23,890
I want to talk about the CITIQR code notice signs.

1487
02:29:24,470 --> 02:29:28,910
Today the people guaranteed to receive notice are primarily those who are on a tax record.

1488
02:29:28,910 --> 02:29:36,450
But families who rent people in multi-tenant buildings and others will feel the impacts of development may never receive a letter.

1489
02:29:36,830 --> 02:29:40,590
Instead, they may be expected to see a sign, scan a QR code.

1490
02:29:41,030 --> 02:29:49,490
Navigate a website, recognize a street number versus their neighborhood by its historical name, and hope that the dates are accurate.

1491
02:29:49,990 --> 02:29:52,710
That isn't meaningful notice, it's a technicality.

1492
02:29:52,710 --> 02:29:56,770
For Z4325, hundreds of tenants were not directly

1493
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:23,300
For the meeting that had taken place. This is not a harmless error. When people don't know a decision as being made, they cannot participate in the decision. So I ask counsel who bears the responsibility for making sure the public isn't actually informed. Every person deserves equal access to the same information about meetings. Thank you. Ashley Heath Armstrong.

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02:30:25,550 --> 02:30:31,130
First, thank you for getting my name correct. That means a lot. I had planned to stand here

1495
02:30:31,130 --> 02:30:34,990
before you and talk about options with the affordable housing program that's on Saturday

1496
02:30:34,990 --> 02:30:39,930
it's completely booked and hoping that we're going to have overflow with online and I

1497
02:30:39,930 --> 02:30:44,910
attempted to get that information and also to talk about youth engagement in response

1498
02:30:44,910 --> 02:30:47,130
to this task force.

1499
02:30:47,330 --> 02:30:52,290
We have community centers that are simply not being used, Chavis Center in particular.

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02:30:53,230 --> 02:30:58,130
Right now the only time the students and the young people could play in open gym is on Sunday

1501
02:30:58,130 --> 02:30:59,250
during family time.

1502
02:30:59,250 --> 02:31:03,930
Same thing at Barwell Road, it's a little bit different, but we built this beautiful

1503
02:31:03,930 --> 02:31:05,510
facility and we're not using it.

1504
02:31:05,930 --> 02:31:10,610
We can use volunteers, I'm one of them, my background is in education and teens.

1505
02:31:11,190 --> 02:31:17,130
That's why, in December, I wrote a check for $250 to run for mayor, and nobody opposed

1506
02:31:17,130 --> 02:31:18,550
the mayor, so I'm on the ballot.

1507
02:31:19,490 --> 02:31:24,070
I'm highly qualified, I'm a transportation expert, safety first in respect.

1508
02:31:24,890 --> 02:31:26,690
That sums up the constitution.

1509
02:31:28,530 --> 02:31:29,610
Thank you.

1510
02:31:30,410 --> 02:31:31,930
No off, Marjon.

1511
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:36,280
It's Mr. Moore-Miss.

1512
02:31:36,360 --> 02:31:37,840
The polling station is too hot.

1513
02:31:38,380 --> 02:31:39,440
We need polling station.

1514
02:31:39,600 --> 02:31:40,500
That's going to help the loss.

1515
02:31:42,650 --> 02:31:45,010
It's affected by, and everybody is breathing it out.

1516
02:31:45,010 --> 02:31:46,370
It's Mr. Marjon here.

1517
02:31:46,890 --> 02:31:49,210
Okay. Whitney Perdee.

1518
02:31:50,980 --> 02:31:51,860
There's line-up.

1519
02:31:52,020 --> 02:31:54,020
This is where the data center should have never been.

1520
02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:54,940
I'll just spell it.

1521
02:31:55,300 --> 02:31:57,220
All right.

1522
02:31:58,540 --> 02:32:01,120
All right, TJ Land Sparey.

1523
02:32:01,940 --> 02:32:02,920
It's TJ here.

1524
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:04,180
Okay.

1525
02:32:27,920 --> 02:32:30,720
Good afternoon, Mayor and members of City Council.

1526
02:32:31,460 --> 02:32:33,800
You may want to move the mic, Cleop, thank you.

1527
02:32:34,020 --> 02:32:38,460
I'm asking you to deny zoning KC 4325 and Litchford Forest.

1528
02:32:38,920 --> 02:32:43,780
We're at a minimum to delay it until our infrastructure can safely support additional development.

1529
02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:50,100
I support responsible growth, but growth needs to be matched by infrastructure, safety,

1530
02:32:50,100 --> 02:32:52,340
and consideration for the existing neighborhood.

1531
02:32:52,780 --> 02:32:55,580
This area already experiences significant traffic

1532
02:32:55,580 --> 02:32:58,240
and pedestrian challenges, particularly

1533
02:32:58,240 --> 02:32:59,860
with Millbrook High School so nearby.

1534
02:33:01,120 --> 02:33:03,960
Litchford 315 and the Abington Square Apartments

1535
02:33:03,960 --> 02:33:05,840
have also added substantial demand

1536
02:33:05,840 --> 02:33:07,980
to an already challenged road network.

1537
02:33:08,660 --> 02:33:10,840
There are important transportation improvements

1538
02:33:10,840 --> 02:33:13,340
being considered and prioritized in this area.

1539
02:33:13,900 --> 02:33:16,520
I believe we should allow those efforts to move forward

1540
02:33:17,210 --> 02:33:19,740
and determine what additional capacity and safety

1541
02:33:19,740 --> 02:33:23,400
the improvements are needed before adding another high density development.

1542
02:33:23,980 --> 02:33:27,360
Please don't put additional growth ahead of infrastructure and safety.

1543
02:33:27,720 --> 02:33:29,200
I respectfully ask you to.

1544
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:31,380
Thank you.

1545
02:33:32,660 --> 02:33:33,920
Alex Prasette.

1546
02:33:40,700 --> 02:33:53,480
I know we all know this, but we cannot increase density without also improving infrastructure to match the increase in population where I live on Brookside Drive.

1547
02:33:53,480 --> 02:33:57,420
We have a front row seat to where this is going well and not going well.

1548
02:33:58,180 --> 02:34:03,080
We've added bike lanes on Brookside Drive, which is excellent for improving traffic.

1549
02:34:03,460 --> 02:34:08,260
Although we need to have the ballards installed that we were promised that we've been waiting a year for that.

1550
02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:12,620
That's going well, but at the same time, we've seen it not going well.

1551
02:34:13,400 --> 02:34:15,640
Trees are being cut down, thanks to a loophole.

1552
02:34:15,960 --> 02:34:17,000
Trees are infrastructure.

1553
02:34:18,300 --> 02:34:22,860
The development against the creek is having an adverse impact on the creek.

1554
02:34:24,240 --> 02:34:40,180
We need to hold developers to a much higher standard that takes care of our infrastructure especially using the Creek Streets concept to raise those standards where we have development next to Creek's.

1555
02:34:40,480 --> 02:34:41,320
Thank you.

1556
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:43,200
Thank you.

1557
02:34:43,260 --> 02:34:47,200
Mr. McEy here.

1558
02:34:49,720 --> 02:34:50,920
Athena Wallen.

1559
02:35:06,350 --> 02:35:06,810
Hello everybody.

1560
02:35:07,190 --> 02:35:08,330
My name is Athena Wallen.

1561
02:35:09,130 --> 02:35:14,790
You should probably be familiar with me because I keep saying land around waterways change.

1562
02:35:15,850 --> 02:35:20,410
It's really hard to anticipate development around land that is always changing.

1563
02:35:21,030 --> 02:35:25,650
So I continue to implore the City of Raleigh to reassess how we develop along creeks.

1564
02:35:25,650 --> 02:35:31,050
That land has more responsibility, more demand to manage the dynamics of weather-related

1565
02:35:31,050 --> 02:35:31,690
events.

1566
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:34,950
Creek's absorb excess and the land around it does, too.

1567
02:35:35,490 --> 02:35:40,590
If we introduce impervious surfaces in that encroaching space, then we have a reduced

1568
02:35:40,590 --> 02:35:41,870
margin of error.

1569
02:35:42,650 --> 02:35:46,930
We need development guardrails to offer more for our struggling stormwater creeks, which

1570
02:35:46,930 --> 02:35:48,930
are our essential infrastructure.

1571
02:35:49,470 --> 02:35:54,970
We must evolve our perspective of prioritizing impervious surface over absorbent land adjacent

1572
02:35:54,970 --> 02:36:02,010
to our creeks because they are connected stormwater utility systems. Our 1,000 miles of stormwater

1573
02:36:02,010 --> 02:36:06,710
creek need help. So let's help it please. Thank you.

1574
02:36:09,420 --> 02:36:11,700
Tomorrow, or Tamara, Jones,

1575
02:36:12,520 --> 02:36:15,240
Ms. Jones here. Okay.

1576
02:36:17,560 --> 02:36:25,230
Thea Cox here. And I know there's some people in overflow. Am I missing anyone

1577
02:36:25,230 --> 02:36:30,870
because of that issue or no? Okay, Kimberly McTarian.

1578
02:36:56,580 --> 02:37:01,760
Good afternoon, Council. Dr. Kimberly McTarian, I'm here to say, first of all, thank you,

1579
02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:08,640
Ms. Megan Patton, for saying that if they had enough money to go to a Cain's event, they

1580
02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:14,960
could stay out of trouble, but let me say this. It is the Hurricanes that we must talk about

1581
02:37:14,960 --> 02:37:17,800
because they are living on the land, a Lincolnville,

1582
02:37:18,100 --> 02:37:19,060
no matter what it's Lincolnville.

1583
02:37:19,760 --> 02:37:23,080
Lincolnville is one of the 13 Freakman's villages

1584
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:26,640
that was stolen by the state of North Carolina

1585
02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:29,700
to build your North Carolina State University

1586
02:37:29,700 --> 02:37:34,120
Carter Family Stadium, indoor complex, and the Nova Center.

1587
02:37:34,680 --> 02:37:37,100
So we can afford it, you just gotta stop gentrifying.

1588
02:37:37,860 --> 02:37:40,180
And you have to go back and find out the rule calls

1589
02:37:40,180 --> 02:37:41,580
it's like Miss Harrison said,

1590
02:37:41,580 --> 02:37:45,320
And so while you can't stop still in killing and destroying, why?

1591
02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:54,340
Because your state sponsor health, state sponsors theft creates state sponsors death.

1592
02:37:55,000 --> 02:37:57,880
And it also sponsors mental health.

1593
02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:03,220
Thank you.

1594
02:38:07,210 --> 02:38:08,090
Andrea Hook.

1595
02:38:10,420 --> 02:38:11,220
Ms. Hook here.

1596
02:38:12,660 --> 02:38:13,340
Okay.

1597
02:38:13,660 --> 02:38:14,540
Jorge Ramos.

1598
02:38:19,700 --> 02:38:20,300
Hello.

1599
02:38:20,500 --> 02:38:21,360
My name is Jorge Ramos.

1600
02:38:21,620 --> 02:38:23,220
I've lived in the city for 23 years.

1601
02:38:23,220 --> 02:38:26,540
and I've seen all sorts of things over the years, crazy things, but I've never seen young

1602
02:38:26,540 --> 02:38:28,680
people being the perpetrators of violence or chaos.

1603
02:38:28,680 --> 02:38:30,600
It's typically the adults that are doing that.

1604
02:38:30,740 --> 02:38:35,460
So I find it baffling that when this congregation of 3,000, 5,000, 8,000, as you all claim, the

1605
02:38:35,460 --> 02:38:36,200
number keeps shifting.

1606
02:38:36,200 --> 02:38:39,460
The folks were gathered in Breyer Creek, England, Wood, South, on the Fourth of July, that

1607
02:38:39,460 --> 02:38:43,260
child would automatically deduce that they were all young people, participating in a teen

1608
02:38:43,260 --> 02:38:47,140
table, gover, as you all are calling it, or yell out there with clickers, counting, verifying

1609
02:38:47,140 --> 02:38:47,560
IDs.

1610
02:38:47,920 --> 02:38:49,580
How do you all magically know they were all teens?

1611
02:38:49,780 --> 02:38:51,880
Also, have you ever been out on a night in England wood?

1612
02:38:51,880 --> 02:38:57,540
I can assure you there's plenty of chaos taking place on a weekly basis no takeovers needed instead of trying to punish all of our

1613
02:38:57,540 --> 02:39:04,220
Cities teams with over policing and surveillance. You could actually try to address the real issue at hand. Is this really about gun violence? Let's talk about gun

1614
02:39:04,220 --> 02:39:13,380
restrictions, not curfews. Don't scapegoat teenagers. It's weird and tired. Also have you ever stopped to think that teens have jobs? Not everyone is privileged enough to be a full-time student.

1615
02:39:13,380 --> 02:39:18,920
Young people play active roles in their families and they need the autonomy to be able to move freely.

1616
02:39:19,200 --> 02:39:20,860
This proposed curfew is just another opportunity.

1617
02:39:34,440 --> 02:39:35,340
Through Washington.

1618
02:39:41,300 --> 02:39:41,880
Hello, everyone.

1619
02:39:42,040 --> 02:39:46,340
My name is Drew Washington and I proudly serve as a youth organizer for education justice alliance.

1620
02:39:46,920 --> 02:39:49,320
And today I'm here to speak on the proposed team curfew.

1621
02:39:49,840 --> 02:39:56,920
As someone who works directly with youth, I have an understanding of how important it is to help them foster their own creativity, imagination, and sense of self.

1622
02:39:56,920 --> 02:40:00,920
Creating restrictions by instilling a curfew only to manage these attributes and lessen

1623
02:40:00,920 --> 02:40:02,440
the trust and support within our community.

1624
02:40:03,080 --> 02:40:08,880
Not to mention more restrictions on youth only lead them to be further criminalized, especially in our black and brown communities.

1625
02:40:09,500 --> 02:40:14,540
So instead of further isolating young people with more restrictions, we now have the opportunity to collectively provide for their needs.

1626
02:40:15,020 --> 02:40:21,820
Spending more time on cultivating meaningful community partnerships and access to youth programming serves as a catalyst to move our city in the right direction,

1627
02:40:21,820 --> 02:40:27,580
While restrictions such as a curfew will only keep our city city stagnant as a community

1628
02:40:27,580 --> 02:40:34,280
We are better together, and that means that we must be intentional in providing it for the needs of young people and not adding to the list of commands that they must follow

1629
02:40:34,280 --> 02:40:35,620
Thank you

1630
02:40:39,200 --> 02:40:40,000
Ted Briggs

1631
02:40:42,520 --> 02:40:43,480
Hi, everyone. Thank you

1632
02:40:44,580 --> 02:40:50,300
I'm here to talk about ALPRs in the flock surveillance system a support or police, but there's a problem here

1633
02:40:50,300 --> 02:40:56,560
Believing that technology should play a role in solving crime should not mean blindly accepting the terms of that bargain.

1634
02:40:57,560 --> 02:41:01,500
Is it too much to ask that our law enforcement officers follow the law?

1635
02:41:02,080 --> 02:41:05,840
As someone who works in tech, I find the public records casually shocking.

1636
02:41:06,300 --> 02:41:12,820
The ALPR audit state that proper reason codes are necessary to ensure compliance with North Carolina State Statue.

1637
02:41:12,820 --> 02:41:21,220
But between October 2024 and January 2026, 4,609 searches did not have a proper reason code listed.

1638
02:41:21,660 --> 02:41:27,500
That's account, that's 20% of all the searches in the LPR system did not have a proper reason code

1639
02:41:27,500 --> 02:41:30,160
and did not comply with North Carolina State statute.

1640
02:41:30,440 --> 02:41:31,240
That is crazy.

1641
02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:34,880
The audits recommended corrective action years ago.

1642
02:41:35,080 --> 02:41:39,440
The audits recommended accepting less restrictive information to satisfy the law.

1643
02:41:39,780 --> 02:41:40,780
And they still didn't do that.

1644
02:41:40,780 --> 02:41:44,440
But the audits show that former employees have access to the system.

1645
02:41:45,200 --> 02:41:46,100
Thank you.

1646
02:41:49,800 --> 02:41:50,760
Mike Figueras.

1647
02:41:58,220 --> 02:41:58,700
Hello.

1648
02:41:59,160 --> 02:42:03,580
My name is Mike Figueras, and I'm one of the parent organizers for education justice

1649
02:42:03,580 --> 02:42:04,020
alliance.

1650
02:42:04,640 --> 02:42:09,420
A nonprofit in Raleigh who works to dismantle the school to prison, school to deportation

1651
02:42:09,420 --> 02:42:14,980
pipeline, and eliminate the criminalization of black, brown, LGBTQ plus students.

1652
02:42:14,980 --> 02:42:20,860
students with disabilities and to secure educational equity for all students in the public school

1653
02:42:20,860 --> 02:42:25,400
systems. Thank you for letting me speak today. We work directly with parents and young people

1654
02:42:25,400 --> 02:42:30,020
in the community. And I'm here to talk to you about the curfew proposal. Firstly, curfews

1655
02:42:30,020 --> 02:42:34,220
are a violation of young people's rights, and they're often applied in other discrimination

1656
02:42:34,220 --> 02:42:39,520
in the discriminatory fashion according to the National Young Rights Association. Secondly,

1657
02:42:40,640 --> 02:42:47,220
Curfews give police automatic reasonable suspicion to stop anyone who looks under 18, creating

1658
02:42:47,220 --> 02:42:51,560
more illegal stops and occasions for incidents to occur and according to the catalysts legal

1659
02:42:51,560 --> 02:42:57,460
studies, curfews often lead to over-policing of marginalized communities worsening racial disparities

1660
02:42:57,460 --> 02:42:59,500
and juvenile justice, even more.

1661
02:43:00,300 --> 02:43:01,300
Thank you.

1662
02:43:04,260 --> 02:43:05,720
Nick Kwe Williams.

1663
02:43:36,350 --> 02:43:37,410
Good afternoon, y'all.

1664
02:43:37,410 --> 02:43:43,030
I'm Nikoi Williams representing Education Justice Alliance alongside two of our many

1665
02:43:43,030 --> 02:43:47,210
leaders here today, and we are here to say no to citywide curfews.

1666
02:43:47,830 --> 02:43:51,750
Youth curfews do not prevent violence, reduce crime, or protect communities.

1667
02:43:52,410 --> 02:43:56,590
Instead, that gives a research to demonstrate that youth curfews criminalize our youth

1668
02:43:56,590 --> 02:43:58,290
without improving public safety.

1669
02:43:58,950 --> 02:44:03,530
If curfews don't make us safer, then why would you give police another reason to stop

1670
02:44:03,530 --> 02:44:05,290
question or detain our youth?

1671
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:17,500
Rather than responding to youth, our young people with fear, we should listen to them and work alongside them to create solutions that actually make our community safer.

1672
02:44:18,280 --> 02:44:24,940
At the July 7th meeting, you talked about working with youth parents, creating a task force and addressing root causes.

1673
02:44:25,480 --> 02:44:26,460
That needs to start now.

1674
02:44:27,220 --> 02:44:31,660
Our young people are not a problem to be controlled. They are the people that we need to listen to.

1675
02:44:31,660 --> 02:44:38,280
Do not give Raleigh PD another tool to harm and target our teens, reject curfews.

1676
02:44:47,420 --> 02:44:49,860
The group effort on that one.

1677
02:45:04,460 --> 02:45:33,180
It's another amazing day and period, I shall. Thank you so much for this opportunity. I want to thank specifically Jane, Jonathan, Megan, and Stormy for trueling hearing me and wisdom. And I want to thank Megan, Stormy, Madam City Attorney and the City Manager's Office for meeting with us during your break. I'll be sending a follow-up email now that you're back in session now about the potential curfew. I'm disappointed because we are reactive versus proactive as a city.

1678
02:45:33,180 --> 02:45:39,600
Two years ago when the city did its sociability study and paid to have a sociable city assessment

1679
02:45:39,600 --> 02:45:43,120
created, there was no mention of children, youth and families.

1680
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:47,380
I know this because I attended the meeting at Dick's Chapel to find out more.

1681
02:45:47,920 --> 02:45:51,780
When I asked why they weren't included, I was told they weren't the focus.

1682
02:45:52,600 --> 02:45:55,020
The events of July 4 tell us two things.

1683
02:45:55,240 --> 02:45:59,780
You should now take the complaints of the long-time residents of Ducland with south-seriously

1684
02:45:59,780 --> 02:46:04,800
and two, if you had partnered with the youth organizations and the youth they served

1685
02:46:04,800 --> 02:46:07,380
to revitalize Fayetteville Street, we wouldn't be having.

1686
02:46:08,620 --> 02:46:09,380
Thank you.

1687
02:46:13,060 --> 02:46:14,060
Lorraine Snyder.

1688
02:46:16,180 --> 02:46:16,900
Snyder here?

1689
02:46:17,340 --> 02:46:18,720
Do you have a last week or a husband?

1690
02:46:19,000 --> 02:46:19,220
Okay.

1691
02:46:19,320 --> 02:46:21,020
Do you hear the thing we filled it out together?

1692
02:46:21,260 --> 02:46:21,480
Okay.

1693
02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:32,180
Speaking to the 4325, I asked that you deny this rezoning and it's the reasons why safety.

1694
02:46:32,360 --> 02:46:33,200
It's public safety.

1695
02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:36,680
I applaud getting affordable housing, that's important.

1696
02:46:37,140 --> 02:46:39,980
I've lived there for 14 years to watch the growth in the area.

1697
02:46:40,540 --> 02:46:44,460
I'm happy to have new neighbors, but if you're in that area, it is challenging.

1698
02:46:44,920 --> 02:46:49,420
The kids come out at school, there are 30 to 50 cars, new drivers, have you ever had,

1699
02:46:49,780 --> 02:46:51,920
driven with a new driver, they get panicked.

1700
02:46:52,380 --> 02:46:57,340
I'm an experienced driver, I look out there, they're coming hot, 50 miles an hour over there,

1701
02:46:57,820 --> 02:46:59,560
and you think you have the space you don't.

1702
02:46:59,560 --> 02:47:05,880
So already with the existing apartments, there's without adding anything, there's already safety

1703
02:47:05,880 --> 02:47:12,620
risk. It's 17,000 cars a day. It broke and handled 20,000. Let's hold off on this. There are

1704
02:47:12,620 --> 02:47:16,860
many more areas that make more sense. Thank you for Atlantic Avenue. It's a success.

1705
02:47:17,660 --> 02:47:21,360
Synchronize lights, all the way down to Raleigh. It's why we moved here. We love the city.

1706
02:47:22,180 --> 02:47:23,040
Thank you. Thank you.

1707
02:47:25,960 --> 02:47:26,820
Shonee screen.

1708
02:47:37,680 --> 02:47:41,760
Hello thank you to everyone in this whole room I'm a stage for

1709
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:46,640
cancer patient they told me I had 18 to 21 months to live they said that I was

1710
02:47:46,640 --> 02:47:51,280
going to leave by February 28th of 2026 but I want to commend this group of

1711
02:47:51,280 --> 02:47:56,300
people right here okay I want to commend you because you have a lot that you

1712
02:47:56,300 --> 02:48:02,540
have to do and as a citizen I do a lot even in my condition so I've decided to

1713
02:48:02,540 --> 02:48:06,980
open my home as America's home room to talk about cancer and invite everybody

1714
02:48:06,980 --> 02:48:12,200
because I was on Oprah in 1987 I've waited 40 years to talk about it because I

1715
02:48:12,200 --> 02:48:16,100
want to see what could I accomplish and what did I get out of it I became a

1716
02:48:16,100 --> 02:48:20,820
banker and what we're missing with bringing people together is audience

1717
02:48:20,820 --> 02:48:24,600
development and nobody knows how to build a book of business better than me

1718
02:48:24,600 --> 02:48:30,020
because I go to the meetings I go to the churches and I love living in

1719
02:48:30,020 --> 02:48:34,900
So for four and a half years, I'm going to dedicate my home intentionally for y'all to come over and play.

1720
02:48:35,140 --> 02:48:38,540
It's a little mini-management in Southeast Raleigh with 3,000 square feet.

1721
02:48:39,360 --> 02:48:40,940
All right, thank you.

1722
02:48:41,060 --> 02:48:41,060
All

1723
02:48:43,620 --> 02:48:45,340
right, Mary Black.

1724
02:48:45,700 --> 02:48:46,000
Everyone,

1725
02:48:59,550 --> 02:49:00,930
former council member Mary Black here.

1726
02:49:02,070 --> 02:49:09,230
In the rise of a white ring at extremism, fascism and the rollback of civil rights and the proliferation of racist white supremacist ideologies,

1727
02:49:09,230 --> 02:49:13,470
trust, transparency, accountability, and deeper community participation in

1728
02:49:13,470 --> 02:49:17,770
co-governance become so much more important. Over the weekend, the people of our

1729
02:49:17,770 --> 02:49:21,370
community shut down a proposed data center annexation, and the very next day

1730
02:49:21,370 --> 02:49:24,550
the same community was shaken by the news that a black man was found hanging in

1731
02:49:24,550 --> 02:49:29,170
downtown Raleigh. The outcry from our community to note the larger issue, a lack of

1732
02:49:29,170 --> 02:49:33,610
collective leadership that actually engages the people. Why do we know what's

1733
02:49:33,610 --> 02:49:37,510
happening in our communities? Why do our solutions feel so much more punitive than

1734
02:49:37,510 --> 02:49:39,110
and participatory.

1735
02:49:39,650 --> 02:49:41,570
And where is the deep community engagement?

1736
02:49:42,270 --> 02:49:44,570
Deeper than public comment, deeper than district meetings,

1737
02:49:44,970 --> 02:49:46,690
deeper than committees and surveys.

1738
02:49:47,430 --> 02:49:49,630
This is a really a call in to my council colleagues

1739
02:49:49,630 --> 02:49:51,370
to go beyond the base expectation

1740
02:49:51,370 --> 02:49:53,990
and create more space for the people in this community

1741
02:49:53,990 --> 02:49:56,010
to actually govern alongside you.

1742
02:49:56,530 --> 02:49:57,890
And it's a call out to the people.

1743
02:49:58,310 --> 02:49:59,790
Our power is staying engaged.

1744
02:50:03,640 --> 02:50:04,320
Thank you.

1745
02:50:09,840 --> 02:50:13,460
All right, that concludes our public comment.

1746
02:50:13,460 --> 02:50:14,400
All

1747
02:50:17,700 --> 02:50:22,480
right, next we have the report and recommendation of the Planning Commission.

1748
02:50:24,640 --> 02:50:24,980
Yeah.

1749
02:51:06,750 --> 02:51:07,410
All right.

1750
02:51:07,970 --> 02:51:08,630
Matthew Clem.

1751
02:51:08,930 --> 02:51:09,190
Yes, ma'am.

1752
02:51:09,530 --> 02:51:11,150
Good afternoon, Mayor and Council.

1753
02:51:11,290 --> 02:51:12,590
Matthew Clem, Planning and Development.

1754
02:51:13,290 --> 02:51:16,830
Here with Dwight Ottwell, Chair of the Rally Planning Commission.

1755
02:51:17,510 --> 02:51:20,790
We have one item to report out of the Planning Commission for you today.

1756
02:51:21,070 --> 02:51:24,610
Here is a look at upcoming holidays in August and September.

1757
02:51:25,570 --> 02:51:28,970
This is a list of currently scheduled public hearings.

1758
02:51:28,970 --> 02:51:33,370
So, there are two currently scheduled on September 1st.

1759
02:51:33,850 --> 02:51:41,370
On your consent agenda today, you added two to that list, the Home Investment Partnerships

1760
02:51:41,370 --> 02:51:43,330
and Historic Landmarks for the Lustron House.

1761
02:51:43,770 --> 02:51:50,470
So, at the moment, four scheduled on the 1st of September, on your consent agenda, you scheduled

1762
02:51:50,470 --> 02:51:52,450
three annexations for the 15th.

1763
02:51:52,570 --> 02:51:54,430
So, keep a running tab.

1764
02:51:54,430 --> 02:51:59,910
You'll have more decisions in the special items agenda section, so we can talk about scheduling there.

1765
02:52:00,790 --> 02:52:07,230
We are recommending September 15th public hearing for Z17-16 Hillsboro and Western Boulevard.

1766
02:52:07,710 --> 02:52:11,010
This is a rezoning request for three and a half acres.

1767
02:52:11,010 --> 02:52:19,670
This is a city initiated rezoning request to develop affordable multi-family housing in Proximate to Western BRT.

1768
02:52:20,610 --> 02:52:24,510
It is consistent with the 2030 Comprehensive Plan, the future land use map and the urban

1769
02:52:24,510 --> 02:52:27,450
forum map, your planning commission recommends approval 7-0.

1770
02:52:28,170 --> 02:52:30,650
I have it answered any questions, Chair Altwell is here as well.

1771
02:52:31,690 --> 02:52:32,110
Yep.

1772
02:52:32,870 --> 02:52:33,290
Thanks.

1773
02:52:34,910 --> 02:52:38,650
I'm glad you said city and engineering reason because I couldn't remember after reading all

1774
02:52:38,650 --> 02:52:38,930
the cases.

1775
02:52:39,370 --> 02:52:43,690
Have we already like done an RFP, do we have a partner on this site for this project?

1776
02:52:44,330 --> 02:52:49,550
Let me ask from our housing and community development partners on that.

1777
02:52:49,710 --> 02:52:51,310
I know they're currently working on it.

1778
02:52:51,390 --> 02:52:53,130
I'm not sure if they've made a selection at this point.

1779
02:52:53,450 --> 02:52:53,570
Okay,

1780
02:52:57,700 --> 02:53:01,020
you can also report back if someone needs to dig something out.

1781
02:53:01,340 --> 02:53:05,960
I have no problem with the hearing date, so I haven't made a motion at the appropriate time.

1782
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:11,040
Okay, do we want to, I'm sorry, we're just holding this, or is there somebody?

1783
02:53:11,800 --> 02:53:14,880
The question is, do we have a partner to deliver the housing yet?

1784
02:53:14,880 --> 02:53:19,380
I'm unsure, I was waiting for how the community development, they're on the way up now, I think they were looking at that.

1785
02:53:19,460 --> 02:53:19,720
I got it.

1786
02:53:26,500 --> 02:53:29,160
Good afternoon, Jess Brandis, with housing and community development.

1787
02:53:29,660 --> 02:53:33,900
We do not have an identified partner yet, that RFP responses were due last week.

1788
02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:36,100
And staff is reviewing them.

1789
02:53:36,720 --> 02:53:43,180
I don't off the top of my head know exactly when we will be making a decision, but we're actively determining the results of that RFP.

1790
02:53:44,100 --> 02:53:44,560
Okay, thank you.

1791
02:53:45,520 --> 02:53:45,660
Okay.

1792
02:53:46,980 --> 02:53:49,820
Motion to set the hearing for September 15th.

1793
02:53:51,100 --> 02:53:52,600
All in favor of the motion aye.

1794
02:53:53,480 --> 02:53:54,200
All opposed nay.

1795
02:53:54,620 --> 02:53:54,760
All right.

1796
02:53:55,200 --> 02:53:55,840
Thank you.

1797
02:53:56,020 --> 02:53:56,420
Thank you.

1798
02:53:56,700 --> 02:53:58,560
Next we have special items.

1799
02:53:58,900 --> 02:54:02,960
Again, Matthew Klim rezoning Z1226 rot quarry road.

1800
02:54:14,280 --> 02:54:14,900
Yeah, thank you.

1801
02:54:15,040 --> 02:54:18,660
You held this item at your last meeting on July 7th

1802
02:54:18,660 --> 02:54:21,420
to allow for the applicant to revise zoning conditions.

1803
02:54:22,260 --> 02:54:23,300
That has occurred.

1804
02:54:24,120 --> 02:54:26,160
Revise zoning conditions include a prohibition

1805
02:54:26,160 --> 02:54:27,920
and definitions of vaping tobacco shop.

1806
02:54:27,920 --> 02:54:32,980
and also prohibition of sweepstakes parlors.

1807
02:54:33,580 --> 02:54:34,640
So we have those new conditions.

1808
02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:38,100
We suggest a public hearing date of September 15th.

1809
02:54:40,550 --> 02:54:41,030
Questions.

1810
02:54:42,490 --> 02:54:43,990
Sorry, I'm sorry, you all.

1811
02:54:44,850 --> 02:54:47,030
I was noticing on this case,

1812
02:54:47,370 --> 02:54:50,770
there's no definition in the UDO for either of those things,

1813
02:54:50,930 --> 02:54:54,850
vape shops and then also gambling uses.

1814
02:54:55,230 --> 02:54:56,890
And so they had to be like invented

1815
02:54:56,890 --> 02:54:58,130
and will be unique to this case.

1816
02:54:58,130 --> 02:55:25,470
And there's another case that also has vape shop conditions and so it seems like this is a topic of community interest and so I wonder if it would be prudent for us to make our own definitions so that each condition, we don't need to have all these one off conditions that are creating their own definition, so I would just offer that as feedback and maybe staff can follow up with a response and managers update about whether it would be appropriate to develop those definitions for future.

1817
02:55:26,470 --> 02:55:29,050
Again, also no problem with this hearing date.

1818
02:55:30,130 --> 02:55:32,630
Move the city public hearing for sale term of 15th.

1819
02:55:33,210 --> 02:55:33,650
Second.

1820
02:55:35,150 --> 02:55:36,330
All in favor of the motion aye.

1821
02:55:36,570 --> 02:55:36,910
Aye.

1822
02:55:37,150 --> 02:55:37,930
All opposed nay.

1823
02:55:38,290 --> 02:55:39,630
That is unanimous.

1824
02:55:40,030 --> 02:55:44,950
Next, we have rezoning Z1426 Gorman Street assemblage.

1825
02:55:54,910 --> 02:55:55,670
Thank you.

1826
02:55:55,850 --> 02:56:03,310
Also held at your last reading in July, updates to the case include conditions specifying

1827
02:56:04,270 --> 02:56:10,190
contributions to the affordable housing fund and also specifications for street crossing

1828
02:56:10,190 --> 02:56:15,490
on Gorman Street. So those are the updates since the last time we recommend suggested

1829
02:56:15,490 --> 02:56:17,930
public hearing date of the evening of September 1st.

1830
02:56:19,070 --> 02:56:23,370
Yeah, I'm just go ahead with the motion to set this hearing for September 1st.

1831
02:56:23,370 --> 02:56:23,650
Second.

1832
02:56:24,430 --> 02:56:25,530
All in favor of the motion aye.

1833
02:56:25,850 --> 02:56:25,990
Aye.

1834
02:56:26,330 --> 02:56:27,030
All opposed nay.

1835
02:56:27,470 --> 02:56:27,610
All right.

1836
02:56:28,530 --> 02:56:35,470
Next, we have rezoning Z1925, which is 405 and 416 Dorotheus Drive.

1837
02:56:35,990 --> 02:56:40,570
And just checking, did we need to set the time for September 1st evening?

1838
02:56:40,950 --> 02:56:42,770
Okay, evening time, yeah, yeah.

1839
02:56:47,640 --> 02:56:50,960
Good afternoon, Mayor Cal, members of the City Council, Matthew Burns with Planning and Development.

1840
02:56:51,600 --> 02:56:57,440
All this loads, I'll tell you that this is a request by the Rally Housing Authority to rezoning Heritage Park in downtown.

1841
02:56:58,440 --> 02:57:05,420
And this item last appeared on July 7th on report of planning commission where council deferred setting public hearing date to a lot of time for changes.

1842
02:57:06,180 --> 02:57:16,960
And those changes are similar to the Gorman street rezoning that you just discussed where they were prepared at payday lending, vaping tobacco shops, and sweepstakes, parlors, and or internet cafes.

1843
02:57:17,760 --> 02:57:21,380
And staff is suggesting a public hearing date of September 1 also in the evening.

1844
02:57:21,380 --> 02:57:21,440
Okay.

1845
02:57:23,400 --> 02:57:24,580
Questions from Mr. Burns.

1846
02:57:25,480 --> 02:57:25,880
Any motion?

1847
02:57:26,320 --> 02:57:29,760
Yeah, just motion again to set the public hearing for September 1st.

1848
02:57:29,780 --> 02:57:30,060
Second.

1849
02:57:30,680 --> 02:57:31,940
All in favor of that motion, aye.

1850
02:57:32,260 --> 02:57:32,500
Aye.

1851
02:57:32,780 --> 02:57:33,580
All opposed, nay.

1852
02:57:33,880 --> 02:57:34,840
That is unanimous.

1853
02:57:35,220 --> 02:57:35,380
Thank you.

1854
02:57:36,100 --> 02:57:41,500
Next, we have a text change authorization request for daycare amendments, just in remettia.

1855
02:57:49,130 --> 02:57:51,710
Afternoon, Mayor and council, just in remettia with planning and development.

1856
02:59:11,360 --> 02:59:14,300
Do you want to, can you go ahead without the visual or?

1857
02:59:14,860 --> 02:59:15,080
Sure.

1858
02:59:15,080 --> 02:59:15,120
Sure.

1859
02:59:18,880 --> 02:59:19,540
There we go.

1860
02:59:20,740 --> 02:59:21,220
Great.

1861
02:59:21,480 --> 02:59:21,800
Thank you.

1862
02:59:22,320 --> 02:59:27,220
So, this is a item is brought back to you at your request.

1863
02:59:27,720 --> 02:59:35,840
It's a follow-up item from back in May for a request to bring back some information on

1864
02:59:35,840 --> 02:59:41,100
some potential text changes that might help facilitate additional daycare facilities in the city.

1865
02:59:41,680 --> 02:59:46,280
I'll just give you a brief regulatory overview and then provide some potential options for

1866
02:59:46,280 --> 02:59:46,860
you all to consider.

1867
02:59:46,860 --> 02:59:47,880
So,

1868
02:59:51,720 --> 02:59:56,940
the daycare facilities regulatory framework is a multi-layered one.

1869
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:27,540
The general statutes establishing the legal framework, the administrative code establishing the DHHS rules, explaining how the statutes are implemented, as well as the building code, which establishes fire safety, life safety requirements. And then finally, at the local level, we have our zoning ordinance, the UDO, which lays out what uses can go where and under what circumstances.

1870
03:00:30,190 --> 03:00:31,350
So starting with the UDO.

1871
03:00:31,350 --> 03:00:35,510
So all daycare facilities are categorized in kind of two buckets.

1872
03:00:35,750 --> 03:00:41,290
The first is a home daycare that allows for the care of up to eight children in the residents of a provider.

1873
03:00:42,750 --> 03:00:48,050
Anything over eight children gets put into a separate category called a daycare center.

1874
03:00:48,270 --> 03:00:53,610
So eight up to infinity, right, is a commercial daycare center.

1875
03:00:57,010 --> 03:01:00,590
Each of those two categories come with their own set of use standards.

1876
03:01:00,590 --> 03:01:05,810
Home Day Cares must be operated by a resident in the home.

1877
03:01:06,430 --> 03:01:11,070
They cannot be operated out of an accessory building like a detached garage or an ADU.

1878
03:01:11,670 --> 03:01:15,050
Their limitations on where outdoor play equipment can be placed.

1879
03:01:16,670 --> 03:01:22,410
And there is an addition to the owner operator requirement, there's also a requirement that

1880
03:01:22,410 --> 03:01:28,030
other employees also be family members of the operator and also live in the home.

1881
03:01:29,370 --> 03:01:36,490
On the commercial daycare center side, there are minimum lot size requirements that apply in residential districts.

1882
03:01:36,910 --> 03:01:38,090
They're signing limitations.

1883
03:01:38,750 --> 03:01:45,670
In mixed-use districts, you would have just general zoning standards that would apply buffers and transitional protective yards.

1884
03:01:46,490 --> 03:01:55,530
When you are adjacent to residential districts, and then if the facilities in a mixed-use district, you would have the general neighborhood transitions that would apply adjacent to residential districts as well.

1885
03:01:55,530 --> 03:01:55,570
So,

1886
03:01:59,730 --> 03:02:09,270
daycare homes are limited uses in all of nearly every zoning district, meaning they are permitted by right.

1887
03:02:09,570 --> 03:02:14,790
They are approved administratively by staff, so long as they meet those use standards that we just saw in the previous slide.

1888
03:02:15,910 --> 03:02:23,990
Daycare centers, on the other hand, are special uses in residential districts and in our X and MH, which is mobile home.

1889
03:02:23,990 --> 03:02:30,990
So, that means they need to be approved at a quasi-judicial hearing about the Board of Adjustments.

1890
03:02:31,490 --> 03:02:33,910
That process can take several months.

1891
03:02:34,290 --> 03:02:39,750
It may require representation by an attorney, the hiring of expert witnesses to put on factual evidence.

1892
03:02:40,290 --> 03:02:47,970
So, it can be a significant time and financial investment for an operator to invest in this process.

1893
03:02:47,970 --> 03:02:48,830
On

1894
03:02:52,600 --> 03:02:59,660
the state side, starting with the building code, most child care homes typically qualifies

1895
03:02:59,660 --> 03:03:06,660
what's called an R3 occupancy, meaning child care home is treated essentially like any

1896
03:03:06,660 --> 03:03:08,940
other single family home would be treated by the building code.

1897
03:03:11,740 --> 03:03:19,540
However, once you start getting into that 910 or more children category, that may transition

1898
03:03:19,540 --> 03:03:24,280
was called an R4 occupancy, and that may trigger additional building fire safety requirements.

1899
03:03:25,160 --> 03:03:30,480
Those are things like a manual fire alarm system, additional means of egress, additional

1900
03:03:30,480 --> 03:03:32,920
fire extinguishers, and enhanced ventilation requirements.

1901
03:03:34,220 --> 03:03:42,360
These things can obviously introduce additional costs for an operator, but they are more modest

1902
03:03:42,360 --> 03:03:45,220
than what will be required for a full commercial take care center.

1903
03:03:45,220 --> 03:03:46,000
It's

1904
03:03:49,680 --> 03:03:52,160
from a state licensing perspective.

1905
03:03:52,820 --> 03:03:59,480
There are three main categories, two of which can be operated in a home, both a family

1906
03:03:59,480 --> 03:04:03,240
child care home and what's called a center located in a residence.

1907
03:04:04,580 --> 03:04:09,620
As you move from left to right on the scale, from a family child care home to child care center,

1908
03:04:10,100 --> 03:04:17,480
you get increasingly stringent regulations related to staffing ratios, enrollees, and then

1909
03:04:17,480 --> 03:04:18,780
building code requirements.

1910
03:04:19,100 --> 03:04:28,640
So again, key takeaway here is that there is potential to be a state license to have

1911
03:04:28,640 --> 03:04:30,360
up to 15 children in a home.

1912
03:04:30,940 --> 03:04:36,180
Again, provide all other requirements or met building code, fire code, staffing ratios,

1913
03:04:36,460 --> 03:04:36,780
et cetera.

1914
03:04:41,970 --> 03:04:49,310
Looking at what our peer jurisdictions do, most municipalities that you can see here, Greensboro,

1915
03:04:49,310 --> 03:04:56,250
Charlotte, Durham and Winston do all allow in one form or another up to 15 children to be

1916
03:04:56,250 --> 03:04:57,030
cared for in a home.

1917
03:04:57,450 --> 03:05:03,530
The exception there is carry, they cap their small home day care at six, once you're

1918
03:05:03,530 --> 03:05:05,630
over six they do require a special use permit.

1919
03:05:06,350 --> 03:05:13,650
But all of our other peer jurisdictions do seem to allow up to 15 to be cared for in a home.

1920
03:05:13,650 --> 03:05:14,570
So,

1921
03:05:17,940 --> 03:05:24,540
given all that, got a few potential options for you to consider at your discretion.

1922
03:05:25,200 --> 03:05:30,960
The first one would be to increase those enrollees from 8 to 15 for home daycare to match

1923
03:05:30,960 --> 03:05:37,000
what the state could potentially allow, would seem to also be in line with other jurisdictions

1924
03:05:37,000 --> 03:05:37,720
in the area.

1925
03:05:39,280 --> 03:05:46,500
If you directed this option, you would probably also need to approve option two, which

1926
03:05:46,500 --> 03:05:52,140
which is related to that resident and family employee requirement because as you increase

1927
03:05:52,140 --> 03:05:57,820
those enrollment numbers from eight up towards 15 additional staffing is going to be required

1928
03:05:57,820 --> 03:05:58,400
by the state.

1929
03:05:59,060 --> 03:06:04,020
And so in order for that potential to be realized for a home daycare operator, it will be very

1930
03:06:04,020 --> 03:06:07,760
difficult to meet that if only their family members who also live in the home could be the

1931
03:06:07,760 --> 03:06:08,180
employees.

1932
03:06:12,020 --> 03:06:15,500
And then the third option relates to the commercial daycare center.

1933
03:06:16,160 --> 03:06:46,190
If you recall those in residential districts require a special use permit, you could also consider removing that special use permit requirement and making it a limited use, just like a home daycare or just like they are regulated in commercial districts, staff would draft probably objective use standards that would apply to those to kind of mimic the subjective findings that the Board of Adjustment makes.

1934
03:06:46,190 --> 03:06:54,930
with regards to mitigating adverse impacts and compatibility with the Jason uses those sorts of things.

1935
03:06:54,930 --> 03:06:58,870
We just have to develop objective use standards in place of those.

1936
03:06:59,710 --> 03:07:06,790
Jason, you just said the board has to look at subjective standards or sub-objective.

1937
03:07:06,990 --> 03:07:12,830
Subjective, the board of judgment is in general terms right having to find that a use is not,

1938
03:07:12,830 --> 03:07:17,430
It is compatible with the adjacent uses, I didn't say how it's compatible, those sorts of things.

1939
03:07:17,750 --> 03:07:25,890
That any negative impacts are being mitigated, so we could look to draft objective use standards that would achieve those outcomes.

1940
03:07:32,260 --> 03:07:39,620
I think finally, when the text change was authorized, there were some questions about how many of these exist and where they are in the city.

1941
03:07:39,620 --> 03:07:45,680
This map shows daycare centers that are about 167 licensed in the city.

1942
03:07:46,200 --> 03:07:52,220
The majority of those are in R4 and R6 districts and the Office of McStee's district.

1943
03:07:52,960 --> 03:07:55,840
And there are 57 licensed family child care homes.

1944
03:07:56,160 --> 03:08:00,920
Those are also predominantly in R4 and R6 existing today.

1945
03:08:04,540 --> 03:08:06,200
That concludes my presentation.

1946
03:08:06,380 --> 03:08:07,640
Happy to answer any questions you have.

1947
03:08:09,740 --> 03:08:10,200
Thank you.

1948
03:08:10,440 --> 03:08:10,840
Questions?

1949
03:08:14,940 --> 03:08:29,080
So if we were to make these changes, anyone that had a home daycare is still subject to regulations from the state as far as how they operate staffing and things of that nature, is that correct?

1950
03:08:29,080 --> 03:08:35,320
That's correct, yeah, any changes you make to the UDIA, we can make changes at the local,

1951
03:08:35,560 --> 03:08:41,360
that zoning, at the level, but state licensing, and I'll stay law would still continue to apply.

1952
03:08:44,160 --> 03:08:44,620
Councillor Johnston.

1953
03:08:45,940 --> 03:08:47,220
Thank you so much for this.

1954
03:08:47,460 --> 03:08:55,220
I was wondering in the COVID-19 was limited to eight, and they had to have the family member as working in there.

1955
03:08:55,500 --> 03:08:58,440
Can you help me understand why the why's behind that?

1956
03:08:58,440 --> 03:09:03,620
In the when we first initiated is there reason that that's required currently?

1957
03:09:03,920 --> 03:09:07,200
That requirement has been in the code for quite some time.

1958
03:09:07,640 --> 03:09:22,260
I think the intent there is to as much as possible keep home daycare at a scale that is compatible with the residential neighborhood and make it as much as possible.

1959
03:09:22,260 --> 03:09:26,460
will appear from the outside to be just like a single family home,

1960
03:09:27,060 --> 03:09:34,220
limit, you know, potential additional cars or traffic from an employee that might come and go from the site every day, those sorts of things.

1961
03:09:34,720 --> 03:09:35,760
Okay, thank you so much.

1962
03:09:36,660 --> 03:09:37,740
Councillor Lembert, Melton.

1963
03:09:38,380 --> 03:09:45,600
Yeah, I'll just say that I'm supportive of advancing these changes, all three options to go through the process.

1964
03:09:45,600 --> 03:09:50,720
I did the Hunt State Policy Fellows Program a few years ago and

1965
03:09:50,720 --> 03:10:00,100
access to early childhood education like daycare centers is critical for children to develop, and we're running out of space where we can put them in the city of Raleigh.

1966
03:10:00,240 --> 03:10:08,960
And folks also need to be able to get to these early childhood education centers if they don't have a car or if they have limited mobility means in between jobs.

1967
03:10:09,380 --> 03:10:15,120
And so allowing them to exist in more places, in places closer to where people already are that may need the service.

1968
03:10:15,120 --> 03:10:22,580
I think is important for us, so I think some of these discussions about the impact of these changes could be had during the public process,

1969
03:10:22,580 --> 03:10:27,480
but I'd like to advance all three of the way staff are giving us the options.

1970
03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:29,480
Okay, Councilor Putten.

1971
03:10:30,760 --> 03:10:34,820
Yeah, thanks. I'm so happy to see the CR out when I saw the Legion that was gleeful.

1972
03:10:35,980 --> 03:10:42,320
By way of reference, you know, I think this council is steeped in what is considered housing cost burden.

1973
03:10:42,320 --> 03:10:45,660
like what do we consider someone paying too much for their housing and for us that magic

1974
03:10:45,660 --> 03:10:52,200
number is 30% the analog to that is that 7% of your income applied to child care is considered

1975
03:10:52,200 --> 03:10:58,180
a child care cost burden. So if we look at like median income for like median income and

1976
03:10:58,180 --> 03:11:05,980
royalize $85,000 that means about $5,800 a year in child care tuition and I don't think I know a

1977
03:11:05,980 --> 03:11:13,180
single person who can get a kid through daycare for $5,800 a year, which just tells us that

1978
03:11:13,180 --> 03:11:17,180
most of our residents who are using child care options are child care cost burden.

1979
03:11:17,940 --> 03:11:25,000
And then to further add on to it this sort of vexing conundrum that child care workers are

1980
03:11:25,000 --> 03:11:31,900
some of the lowest paid in our society. So how is that working out? And we are certainly not the

1981
03:11:31,900 --> 03:11:37,600
arbiters of all the changes that would be needed to solve the problem, but I think we can nibble

1982
03:11:37,600 --> 03:11:42,640
around the margins here. I've spent a lot of time engaging with providers since I asked for

1983
03:11:42,640 --> 03:11:49,240
the text change to be considered. And some of the things that they mentioned as barriers are

1984
03:11:49,240 --> 03:11:55,220
ones on which we cannot opine like the adding a sprinkler system to a home or wheelchair ramp to a

1985
03:11:55,220 --> 03:12:00,180
home is costly and burdensome, but those are building and fire code things on which we do not have

1986
03:12:00,180 --> 03:12:07,460
jurisdiction, but what I also heard from providers is things like they're very carefully monitoring

1987
03:12:07,460 --> 03:12:14,200
their enrollment to have like full time enrollees, but they would love to have enough flexibility

1988
03:12:14,200 --> 03:12:19,840
to allow a school aged kid to come in for the summer to the home where the younger child's

1989
03:12:19,840 --> 03:12:23,140
already being cared for, and these providers don't have that level of flexibility because

1990
03:12:23,140 --> 03:12:28,520
if they sacrificed even like one enrollee that would not be enough to kind of make their

1991
03:12:28,520 --> 03:12:34,820
business make. And so I think this will add a level of flexibility that will serve our

1992
03:12:34,820 --> 03:12:40,340
providers who are often just like one woman trying to operate this out of her home.

1993
03:12:40,860 --> 03:12:44,320
And so they're small business owners. I think this will add a level of flexibility and

1994
03:12:44,320 --> 03:12:51,400
hopefully allow providers to offer their rates more affordably for families or people who

1995
03:12:51,400 --> 03:12:58,020
wish to start families. And I hope we can be like a first mover and some of our peers who

1996
03:12:58,020 --> 03:13:02,280
are a little more restrictive can also take key and do some of this, which I think, you

1997
03:13:02,280 --> 03:13:08,520
know, systemically will help us all. So after all that bladdering, I would like to motion

1998
03:13:08,520 --> 03:13:11,700
to move forward all three recommendations as proposed by staff. Second.

1999
03:13:12,560 --> 03:13:16,020
And I would just compliment. I think this is great that we're bringing this forward. And

2000
03:13:16,020 --> 03:13:21,000
I appreciate all of y'all who may know Pat and Jonathan Lambert-Milton, all of you who've

2001
03:13:21,000 --> 03:13:25,600
worked on this issue. This is, you know, obviously a key piece of affordability. So thank you.

2002
03:13:25,600 --> 03:13:27,440
All in favor of the motion aye.

2003
03:13:27,700 --> 03:13:31,940
All opposed nay and that is unanimous thank you.

2004
03:13:35,270 --> 03:13:35,610
All right.

2005
03:13:36,870 --> 03:13:37,850
What's next?

2006
03:13:38,530 --> 03:13:41,790
The report and recommendation of the city manager.

2007
03:13:42,450 --> 03:13:46,630
Welcome back mayor and council although most of you did not leave.

2008
03:13:46,990 --> 03:13:50,130
And go anywhere but I hope you guys enjoyed your break,

2009
03:13:50,350 --> 03:13:51,910
at least away from the formal meetings.

2010
03:13:52,630 --> 03:13:54,610
I have two items in my report today.

2011
03:13:54,610 --> 03:13:58,910
the first of which is just an update on our Meteor City Council retreat and

2012
03:13:58,910 --> 03:14:02,410
we have Michelle Millett and the City Manager's office who to present this

2013
03:14:02,410 --> 03:14:07,590
item. Good afternoon. The manager's already introduced myself so I'll just

2014
03:14:07,590 --> 03:14:13,010
say good afternoon. I do want to apply the retreat if you all recall the mayor

2015
03:14:13,010 --> 03:14:17,650
appointed council member Patton as well as council member Branch to join her on

2016
03:14:17,650 --> 03:14:22,910
this journey and they did take a journey. They did a lot of good work. First thing

2017
03:14:22,910 --> 03:14:27,250
they decided was where we will be in the time. So just as a reminder to the community,

2018
03:14:27,410 --> 03:14:33,650
we will be at Lions Park Community Center Friday September 18th, 12 to 5, as well as Saturday

2019
03:14:33,650 --> 03:14:40,570
September the 19th, 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. What are we going to talk about with this is where you all

2020
03:14:40,570 --> 03:14:46,070
started that work. If you all recall, you all submitted a survey with lots of topics. And so the

2021
03:14:46,070 --> 03:14:51,150
retreat committee helped narrow it down to about six meaty topics. And what are those? We're going

2022
03:14:51,150 --> 03:14:52,830
We're going to talk about planning and land use.

2023
03:14:53,130 --> 03:14:57,050
Under planning and land use, we're going to talk about growth, the status of our comp plan.

2024
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:28,980
Talk about urban design leadership, as well as some neighborhood retail policies. Could we talk about corridor hotspot improvements, as well as potentially a minimum life size policy? Under downtown, we're going to talk about public safety, of course, quality of life, focusing on more square, as well as Nash Square, Fayetteville Street options for furniture. We are going to talk about them, no more pictures. We're going to talk about what they are. We're also going to talk about our garages.

2025
03:15:28,980 --> 03:15:32,640
is our infrastructure and particular pedestrian pieces,

2026
03:15:33,200 --> 03:15:35,920
as well as our partnerships and how we activate downtown

2027
03:15:35,920 --> 03:15:37,980
with festivals and different types of events.

2028
03:15:38,720 --> 03:15:40,400
We're gonna talk about innovation and tech.

2029
03:15:40,720 --> 03:15:42,720
If you all don't know, we have a digital twin.

2030
03:15:43,200 --> 03:15:44,500
We're gonna talk a little bit about that.

2031
03:15:44,820 --> 03:15:47,900
Our micro modeling that we do in order to try to help us

2032
03:15:47,900 --> 03:15:49,380
reduce our environmental impact.

2033
03:15:49,760 --> 03:15:52,000
We're gonna talk about some of our workforce automation,

2034
03:15:52,420 --> 03:15:54,360
as well as how we use data and analytics

2035
03:15:54,360 --> 03:15:58,240
to improve some of the things that our community experience,

2036
03:15:58,240 --> 03:16:02,300
as well as a long-awaited communications website update

2037
03:16:02,300 --> 03:16:03,200
Councilmember Branch.

2038
03:16:04,160 --> 03:16:05,980
We're going to talk about our revenue outlook.

2039
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:08,860
We could not come before you all and have a retreat

2040
03:16:08,860 --> 03:16:10,760
without talking about the dollars and cents.

2041
03:16:11,120 --> 03:16:12,300
You did just pass a budget,

2042
03:16:12,300 --> 03:16:14,480
so don't expect a huge budget update.

2043
03:16:14,800 --> 03:16:18,800
However, we will talk about ourselves and tax update.

2044
03:16:19,180 --> 03:16:22,020
If there's any update on the Blue Ridge Loophole,

2045
03:16:22,140 --> 03:16:24,940
and if not, obviously we need to discuss what that will look

2046
03:16:24,940 --> 03:16:26,300
like for a budget constraint.

2047
03:16:26,300 --> 03:16:33,340
For next year, we are going to talk about audit controls if you all recall that was a specific request from you as well as the community.

2048
03:16:33,600 --> 03:16:49,480
So, we will talk about what that looks like as well as the mayor's request to talk about some of the third party studies that we have when we use consultants and different types of benchmarking reports that help make sure we are doing good work as well as learning from other cities in different communities around the country.

2049
03:16:50,520 --> 03:16:52,160
We are going to talk about housing.

2050
03:16:52,660 --> 03:16:53,480
I want to say this again.

2051
03:16:53,720 --> 03:16:54,940
We are going to talk about housing.

2052
03:16:55,140 --> 03:16:57,320
I know people don't think you all talk about housing enough,

2053
03:16:57,520 --> 03:16:59,620
but can you ever talk enough about housing?

2054
03:16:59,860 --> 03:17:00,000
No.

2055
03:17:00,460 --> 03:17:01,820
So we're going to talk about housing.

2056
03:17:01,940 --> 03:17:03,120
We're going to give you all an update.

2057
03:17:03,340 --> 03:17:04,640
Talk about our production numbers,

2058
03:17:05,160 --> 03:17:06,320
our continued partnerships,

2059
03:17:07,040 --> 03:17:08,400
any state budget impacts,

2060
03:17:08,860 --> 03:17:11,400
as well as Councilmember Silver displacement,

2061
03:17:11,840 --> 03:17:14,140
which we do have a website that is live today

2062
03:17:14,140 --> 03:17:17,380
and we'll make sure we have lots of updates around that as well.

2063
03:17:17,380 --> 03:17:21,620
and we're also going to talk about Yigbi, yes and guys back yard. And then

2064
03:17:21,620 --> 03:17:26,380
finally we're going to end on grant management, a specific topic around how we

2065
03:17:26,380 --> 03:17:31,260
handle our grants, are there any different ways for improvement, our legacy

2066
03:17:31,260 --> 03:17:35,340
grant conversation will continue as well as our human services grants, and we are

2067
03:17:35,340 --> 03:17:38,380
going to talk about a grant that you all administer, which is your council

2068
03:17:38,380 --> 03:17:44,320
contingency. So those are the topics I will leave now for any questions that you

2069
03:17:44,320 --> 03:17:48,180
who all have for me or your colleagues who help put together this wonderful agenda.

2070
03:17:49,400 --> 03:17:50,660
Questions for Miss Millett?

2071
03:17:52,460 --> 03:17:55,920
Okay, thank you for all these support and assistance.

2072
03:17:56,660 --> 03:17:56,860
Awesome.

2073
03:17:57,400 --> 03:18:00,060
I don't know how we're going to do that in a day and a half, but we're going to try our

2074
03:18:00,060 --> 03:18:01,400
very best to get it all done.

2075
03:18:03,060 --> 03:18:08,720
And next, in light of a lot of the national conversation and even state and local conversations

2076
03:18:08,720 --> 03:18:14,300
around flock cameras and just the transparency or the lack thereof in using that tool.

2077
03:18:14,300 --> 03:18:16,640
as a force multiplier and law enforcement.

2078
03:18:17,080 --> 03:18:18,260
The mayor, the police chief,

2079
03:18:18,260 --> 03:18:20,680
and I had an opportunity to meet with some of the

2080
03:18:21,200 --> 03:18:23,840
representatives from the flock team last week

2081
03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:25,580
and it was an enlightening experience

2082
03:18:25,580 --> 03:18:28,540
and we wanted to share that information

2083
03:18:28,540 --> 03:18:30,180
with not only the rest of council

2084
03:18:30,180 --> 03:18:31,900
but all of the public as well.

2085
03:18:32,400 --> 03:18:35,600
So we have chief Rico boys here from the Raleigh Police Department

2086
03:18:35,600 --> 03:18:38,540
to kind of talk to you about overall what flock does,

2087
03:18:38,660 --> 03:18:39,500
what it doesn't.

2088
03:18:39,820 --> 03:18:42,400
Also talk about how the program works here in Raleigh

2089
03:18:42,400 --> 03:18:44,760
and what information and data that we use,

2090
03:18:44,840 --> 03:18:49,820
and how we govern that tool as a force multiplier for our PD.

2091
03:18:50,400 --> 03:18:52,000
So with that, I'll turn it over to Chief Bois.

2092
03:18:52,560 --> 03:18:54,640
Good afternoon, again, Madam Mayor and Council,

2093
03:18:54,960 --> 03:18:55,980
Rico Bois Chief of Police.

2094
03:18:56,780 --> 03:18:58,820
Yeah, we had a meeting last week with Flock,

2095
03:18:58,920 --> 03:19:01,520
representative came up from headquarters of Atlanta

2096
03:19:01,520 --> 03:19:03,020
and spent some time with us.

2097
03:19:03,800 --> 03:19:05,660
Obviously, we had a lot of questions

2098
03:19:05,660 --> 03:19:07,980
about what we're seeing throughout this country.

2099
03:19:08,200 --> 03:19:10,660
So it was important that we had that dialogue between us.

2100
03:19:10,660 --> 03:19:16,840
very productive, they answered a lot of questions that we had, and it was a great engagement.

2101
03:19:17,440 --> 03:19:22,880
What I want to do today is just given an overview of what we have here in Raleigh talk through

2102
03:19:22,880 --> 03:19:27,820
about eight different touch points, and then I answer any questions.

2103
03:19:27,940 --> 03:19:31,760
I don't have a slides, so I'm going to be talking and just sharing this information with you.

2104
03:19:31,840 --> 03:19:37,680
I believe Chief of Staff is handing out some FAQs that I'll be pretty much referencing

2105
03:19:37,680 --> 03:19:38,900
throughout my presentation.

2106
03:19:38,900 --> 03:19:43,680
First of all, what is flock and what is currently going on?

2107
03:19:43,820 --> 03:19:51,240
I will say I'm encouraged from what the CEO to founder of flock shared last week about

2108
03:19:51,240 --> 03:19:52,980
some of the upgrades that they are making.

2109
03:19:53,860 --> 03:19:58,420
A lot of those upgrades came from feedback from not only police departments, but for communities

2110
03:19:58,420 --> 03:19:59,460
throughout this country.

2111
03:20:00,620 --> 03:20:07,340
So here in Raleigh, what the scope of flock and what it looks like is since March of 2022,

2112
03:20:07,340 --> 03:20:11,860
We've had a flop platform or technology here in the Raleigh Police Department.

2113
03:20:12,600 --> 03:20:18,100
We currently have 29 cameras that we deployed throughout the city of Raleigh.

2114
03:20:18,760 --> 03:20:23,880
We have an annual contract or a cost of about 75,000 is what we spend.

2115
03:20:24,620 --> 03:20:30,160
And we have a current day of 414 authorized users of that program.

2116
03:20:31,020 --> 03:20:33,080
The data collected and not collected.

2117
03:20:33,360 --> 03:20:34,520
So what does flop collect?

2118
03:20:34,520 --> 03:20:37,340
that it collects two things for us here in Raleigh.

2119
03:20:37,580 --> 03:20:40,540
Vehicle description and a vehicle tag, that's it.

2120
03:20:41,220 --> 03:20:43,660
No other pictures just size to vehicle

2121
03:20:43,660 --> 03:20:46,260
and the back of the vehicle where the license plate

2122
03:20:46,260 --> 03:20:47,240
is located.

2123
03:20:47,960 --> 03:20:51,300
It does not collect driver identity, personal identifiers,

2124
03:20:51,900 --> 03:20:53,620
any confidential personal information

2125
03:20:53,620 --> 03:20:55,380
for as address as a phone numbers.

2126
03:20:56,040 --> 03:20:58,200
This actually captures less data

2127
03:20:58,800 --> 03:21:01,900
than your typical tow camera that's out on an interstate

2128
03:21:01,900 --> 03:21:06,520
that captures the vehicle, the tag, as well as a picture of the occupants.

2129
03:21:06,960 --> 03:21:09,260
Flot does not capture a picture of the occupants.

2130
03:21:09,900 --> 03:21:12,600
When it comes to data storage and retention and sharing,

2131
03:21:13,320 --> 03:21:18,960
state law requires that you cannot store this data no longer than 90 days.

2132
03:21:19,560 --> 03:21:21,660
We're here in the city of Raleigh and Raleigh Police Department.

2133
03:21:21,820 --> 03:21:22,920
We're a little bit more restrictive.

2134
03:21:23,340 --> 03:21:25,380
We only store the data for 30 days.

2135
03:21:25,980 --> 03:21:29,980
After 30 days, it is completely wiped out from the cloud.

2136
03:21:29,980 --> 03:21:34,900
So we are like say less restrictive than what state law allows us to do.

2137
03:21:36,020 --> 03:21:39,800
The data sharing is between the joining states.

2138
03:21:40,040 --> 03:21:43,840
That is Virginia, Tennessee, Georgia, as well as South Carolina.

2139
03:21:44,680 --> 03:21:48,180
You think about it if we're collecting data on a vehicle.

2140
03:21:48,820 --> 03:21:54,260
Those are the states that you go into hit or coming contact with when you leave the state of North Carolina.

2141
03:21:55,240 --> 03:21:56,900
We do not share information with ICE.

2142
03:21:56,900 --> 03:22:03,080
Let me be very clear. We do not share any data information with ICE. The data that is

2143
03:22:04,500 --> 03:22:11,000
collected as of now we have not had any breaches of our security or our database when it comes

2144
03:22:11,000 --> 03:22:18,160
to flat cameras here in the city of Raleigh. So some of the safeguards that we put in place

2145
03:22:18,160 --> 03:22:23,020
Prior to me becoming chief, we were doing quarterly audits.

2146
03:22:23,380 --> 03:22:28,140
We have improved that to occur every month.

2147
03:22:28,580 --> 03:22:34,020
We want to be able to pretty much police ourselves more frequently than just what we were currently doing.

2148
03:22:34,400 --> 03:22:37,400
So now we do monthly audits on our data.

2149
03:22:37,400 --> 03:22:48,020
You know every search that we perform in the flock system must have a law enforcement purpose.

2150
03:22:48,640 --> 03:22:54,420
Here the way we do that here is to make sure it has a case number that's assigned to that search.

2151
03:22:54,920 --> 03:23:02,360
If there's no case number, farce rolly police case number, we use what we call a CR number in court on a file.

2152
03:23:02,360 --> 03:23:09,180
We'll put that file number in that system to be able to run that query if there's no rally police case number

2153
03:23:10,060 --> 03:23:14,640
Also, this is a single source login. I heard a gentleman earlier talking about

2154
03:23:15,240 --> 03:23:18,160
former employees are able to access this information

2155
03:23:19,580 --> 03:23:20,700
That is not true

2156
03:23:21,400 --> 03:23:28,240
Once you are no longer part of the city of rally as an employee you have no access to your email address

2157
03:23:28,240 --> 03:23:32,300
The email address is the only way that you can log in to flock.

2158
03:23:32,800 --> 03:23:34,640
It's a single source log in.

2159
03:23:35,120 --> 03:23:37,780
You got to use your city of Raleigh email address.

2160
03:23:38,040 --> 03:23:42,020
So once you are no longer here, you have no access to your email.

2161
03:23:42,200 --> 03:23:45,300
You have no access to the flock system at all.

2162
03:23:47,380 --> 03:23:48,180
So how does it work?

2163
03:23:48,680 --> 03:23:49,540
I give you an example.

2164
03:23:49,820 --> 03:23:51,620
You have a robbery somewhere.

2165
03:23:52,180 --> 03:23:53,720
Let's just use capital boulevard.

2166
03:23:54,340 --> 03:23:58,820
A witness gives us a description of what a vehicle has involved.

2167
03:24:00,460 --> 03:24:07,820
The officer or the detective would go in and put the case number relevant to the robbery as a

2168
03:24:07,820 --> 03:24:12,380
reason why they're making a entry. Then if the description of the car was say a blue Honda

2169
03:24:12,380 --> 03:24:19,080
cord, you put in blue Honda cord, you put in capital boulevard and you see what search, what results

2170
03:24:19,080 --> 03:24:25,180
you get back from a blue Honda cord in the capital boulevard area at the time of that robbery.

2171
03:24:25,840 --> 03:24:31,420
understand that we do not capture a flood does not capture live video this is

2172
03:24:31,420 --> 03:24:36,440
not like we are looking at the cameras live this is only after something has

2173
03:24:36,440 --> 03:24:41,080
occurred and we only have a very short window of 30 days of data to search that

2174
03:24:41,080 --> 03:24:46,700
vehicle that I just referred to in the case of a of a robbery once we get a hit

2175
03:24:46,700 --> 03:24:53,560
back that is a lead for that detective to follow up on it does not automatically

2176
03:24:53,560 --> 03:25:00,660
allows an officer or detective to go get a warrant just because they got a hit within a flock database.

2177
03:25:01,140 --> 03:25:04,620
It's just a tool that they use in their investigation.

2178
03:25:06,220 --> 03:25:12,380
Once they get that result, they will then put in the gentleman also talk about a reason code,

2179
03:25:13,380 --> 03:25:15,780
reason code or closing that case out.

2180
03:25:16,200 --> 03:25:20,500
They will say we got a hit of a tag and they will indicate that.

2181
03:25:20,500 --> 03:25:22,620
But that is also required.

2182
03:25:23,300 --> 03:25:27,980
Did we see that happen where the officer did not put a reason code in?

2183
03:25:28,200 --> 03:25:33,920
Yes, but the actual entry itself was a legitimate lawful reason to run that tag.

2184
03:25:34,900 --> 03:25:38,480
So some of the outcomes and the return on our investment.

2185
03:25:39,040 --> 03:25:47,800
So since January 1, 2025 to July 15, the 2026, this system has helped us recover 154 stolen vehicles,

2186
03:25:48,800 --> 03:25:57,800
244 criminal cases cleared and about $1.8 million in recovered stolen property as well as six

2187
03:25:57,800 --> 03:26:04,820
missing adults were located and it generated 306 case leads from using this platform.

2188
03:26:05,480 --> 03:26:11,280
So I'm going to key takeaways for the community here is that you know it's a strong public safety

2189
03:26:11,280 --> 03:26:13,020
outcomes by protecting privacy.

2190
03:26:13,020 --> 03:26:18,440
He even heard it from the CEO himself talking about how flock is going to improve their safety.

2191
03:26:19,140 --> 03:26:22,380
Here at RPD, we do the quarterly audit.

2192
03:26:22,560 --> 03:26:31,240
Audits, I have my lieutenant here from the real-time crime center, as well as our office of professional standards that conduct those audits here, monthly.

2193
03:26:32,500 --> 03:26:42,100
We are using this as a force multiplier to keep this city safe, but we also understand that this community is concerned about what they have seen in other jurisdictions.

2194
03:26:42,100 --> 03:26:46,300
I'm very proud of what we do here, Raleigh and the City of Raleigh, by working together

2195
03:26:46,300 --> 03:26:51,480
with City I.T. to make sure that not only to Raleigh Police Form, but to entire City network

2196
03:26:51,480 --> 03:26:54,040
is safe and secure from any data breaches.

2197
03:26:54,880 --> 03:26:57,040
And that's what I have at this time, I'll take any questions.

2198
03:26:58,260 --> 03:26:59,160
Thank you, Chief.

2199
03:26:59,480 --> 03:26:59,880
Questions?

2200
03:27:04,370 --> 03:27:05,010
Hi, Chief.

2201
03:27:05,290 --> 03:27:05,730
Good to see you again.

2202
03:27:06,030 --> 03:27:06,190
Yes.

2203
03:27:06,530 --> 03:27:13,810
A couple of questions on the, you know, by state law, you could keep the data for 90 days,

2204
03:27:13,810 --> 03:27:17,430
but by our internal policies, you can keep the data for 30 days.

2205
03:27:17,930 --> 03:27:23,730
What, who, who is deleting the data and who is making sure the data is sufficiently deleted?

2206
03:27:24,290 --> 03:27:26,290
That is automatically in the system.

2207
03:27:26,810 --> 03:27:28,770
This, the data goes to the government cloud.

2208
03:27:29,350 --> 03:27:31,730
Every 30 days, that data is just wiped out.

2209
03:27:31,750 --> 03:27:33,630
It's not a manual procedure.

2210
03:27:33,630 --> 03:27:36,210
It's just automatically built into the flock system.

2211
03:27:37,250 --> 03:27:40,590
So it's in flock, like flock is the owner of the database.

2212
03:27:40,850 --> 03:27:42,870
And so the, the cloud?

2213
03:27:42,870 --> 03:27:48,870
Yes. Okay. Do we do any sort of oversight of them to make sure that they did?

2214
03:27:49,050 --> 03:27:51,970
Well, that's part of our audit as well to make sure the information is gone.

2215
03:27:52,090 --> 03:27:55,550
But we don't physically like hit a button. It is automatically done.

2216
03:27:55,970 --> 03:28:00,630
Okay. But someone from our team is making sure the data is actually gone.

2217
03:28:00,810 --> 03:28:05,090
That is correct. Okay. And then I see you mentioned here about public record.

2218
03:28:05,670 --> 03:28:10,430
And so the data captured is confidential.

2219
03:28:10,430 --> 03:28:12,750
So the state law, yes ma'am.

2220
03:28:12,830 --> 03:28:20,070
The flock, like logins, like access to the cameras is the log of the activity.

2221
03:28:20,390 --> 03:28:21,490
Is that a matter of public record?

2222
03:28:21,970 --> 03:28:26,470
Well, as you see that on a public portal that flock has for community members to look

2223
03:28:26,470 --> 03:28:29,810
at how many times it's been logged in and who has logged in.

2224
03:28:37,780 --> 03:28:38,500
Councillor Jones.

2225
03:28:39,740 --> 03:28:39,880
Okay.

2226
03:28:40,960 --> 03:28:44,500
For the audits that you talked about that are quarterly but now you're saying we also do

2227
03:28:44,500 --> 03:28:52,080
monthly are those and those are public facing so we can see those as the gentlemen came up and

2228
03:28:52,080 --> 03:28:57,440
said how are you wrapping in with the audits with everything that we're hearing around the country,

2229
03:28:57,620 --> 03:29:04,480
the disturbances in other jurisdictions where they have misuse it, how are you wrapping in that into

2230
03:29:04,480 --> 03:29:10,200
your network and making sure that you can preemptively not make the same mistakes as other jurisdictions?

2231
03:29:10,200 --> 03:29:22,260
Yeah, well, one to build dense parameters within flock itself and not to speak of the two cases here in North Carolina, but those actual misusage was caught by flock.

2232
03:29:22,580 --> 03:29:28,320
They notified those jurisdictions of the activity that they saw within those two jurisdictions.

2233
03:29:28,800 --> 03:29:34,760
Same here if we had a violation or some misusage within the Raleigh Police Department.

2234
03:29:34,760 --> 03:29:38,380
and not only with our internal folks catch that,

2235
03:29:38,380 --> 03:29:41,960
but flock as well will catch that we've had excessive usage

2236
03:29:41,960 --> 03:29:44,020
or misuse of that system.

2237
03:29:44,680 --> 03:29:47,080
So it's like a two-step verification

2238
03:29:47,080 --> 03:29:50,400
or all that often can, often can.

2239
03:29:51,320 --> 03:29:51,900
Authentication.

2240
03:29:52,140 --> 03:29:54,140
Authentication, yes, thank you, long day.

2241
03:29:55,440 --> 03:29:57,100
So that, we're checks and bounds.

2242
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:09,780
Let's say, within, not only to office or professional standards, but also within our real-time crime center and our detective division. Okay. Thank you so much. Anything on Ms. Lieutenant.

2243
03:30:11,820 --> 03:30:29,840
So, chief, I appreciate this report today and sharing all this information and the chance to sit down last week. One thing that I think would be worth highlighting is, you know, you've told us that we have 29 cameras here in Raleigh over 160 square miles.

2244
03:30:29,840 --> 03:30:34,060
So just doing your simple math. It's about every five square miles. There's one camera

2245
03:30:34,680 --> 03:30:41,860
How does that compare to other cities? Like do we know what Charlotte has and I will just give an example that I found

2246
03:30:41,860 --> 03:30:50,140
Pretty striking, which was they said San Francisco in 40 square miles has 400 over 400 cameras

2247
03:30:50,760 --> 03:30:51,260
so

2248
03:30:51,260 --> 03:30:58,960
I mean what I took away is the other city that they use yeah, whatever they're once again well over 500 cameras

2249
03:30:58,960 --> 03:31:03,300
or whatever in the city of Atlanta and we're at 29.

2250
03:31:03,900 --> 03:31:06,020
Yeah, so yeah.

2251
03:31:08,910 --> 03:31:12,590
On that, these are the 29 cameras that our PD owns.

2252
03:31:12,990 --> 03:31:15,790
I think some questions and concerns that rise in the community

2253
03:31:15,790 --> 03:31:18,530
are the privately owned flop cameras

2254
03:31:18,530 --> 03:31:20,950
or whatever company they're using.

2255
03:31:21,530 --> 03:31:23,270
And I don't know that that's a question for you,

2256
03:31:23,390 --> 03:31:25,170
maybe for the city attorney or so.

2257
03:31:25,470 --> 03:31:28,330
How do we know are they required to give any information

2258
03:31:28,330 --> 03:31:30,110
to us from private cameras?

2259
03:31:30,110 --> 03:31:34,750
How can we calm the fear of private entities outside of RPD?

2260
03:31:34,890 --> 03:31:38,250
If we have all of our restrictions and let's say our community is like, all right,

2261
03:31:38,510 --> 03:31:43,950
RPD cameras are good, but then the other ones like at a Lowe's Food Shopping Center or a target.

2262
03:31:44,470 --> 03:31:46,550
How is it all just private?

2263
03:31:46,870 --> 03:31:49,710
Is there nothing that we can do to control because it is on private property?

2264
03:31:51,860 --> 03:31:57,480
I answered that on private property, the city has no control of what they do on their private property.

2265
03:31:58,280 --> 03:31:59,620
Okay, thank you.

2266
03:31:59,620 --> 03:32:00,540
Yep.

2267
03:32:05,490 --> 03:32:12,330
Do the cameras capture notable features of the vehicle like bumper stickers?

2268
03:32:13,770 --> 03:32:16,250
It's taken a picture of the back of the car, it's just a tag.

2269
03:32:17,470 --> 03:32:19,190
They're focused on just a tag.

2270
03:32:19,350 --> 03:32:22,510
Now there's a sticker beside the tag then, obviously, yay, we captured that.

2271
03:32:22,670 --> 03:32:27,590
But it is focused on just a tag in the overall vehicle description.

2272
03:32:27,990 --> 03:32:28,290
That's it.

2273
03:32:28,290 --> 03:32:36,110
Okay. And then one last question to your point about how we do not share this information

2274
03:32:36,110 --> 03:32:43,530
with ICE. What happens if another jurisdiction or another law enforcement agency is interested

2275
03:32:43,530 --> 03:32:46,330
in using it? Like, what if your rules change?

2276
03:32:46,730 --> 03:32:51,850
Great question. If another jurisdiction acts, one, there always has to be a criminal connection

2277
03:32:51,850 --> 03:32:53,890
action to an entry into flock.

2278
03:32:54,910 --> 03:32:59,530
If another jurisdiction is investigating, let's say a homicide, and they say this vehicle

2279
03:32:59,530 --> 03:33:05,030
is a Honda Accord, and it might be headed to a search jurisdiction, they will give us

2280
03:33:05,030 --> 03:33:10,090
that description of that vehicle and run it through flock to see if it came through our city.

2281
03:33:11,050 --> 03:33:17,150
So they will share information about the criminal case itself and why that vehicle is of any

2282
03:33:17,150 --> 03:33:17,670
importance.

2283
03:33:17,670 --> 03:33:22,930
And that's already the case where a vehicle involved in a felony will be entered into

2284
03:33:23,550 --> 03:33:26,270
NSEIC, the National Criminal Information Center.

2285
03:33:27,070 --> 03:33:29,630
All sorts of departments have been doing that for years.

2286
03:33:30,190 --> 03:33:32,630
So that car is already in a database for a crime.

2287
03:33:33,090 --> 03:33:38,550
Running it through FLOG has to follow that same guideline that there's a criminal case

2288
03:33:38,550 --> 03:33:44,310
that has occurred and that's why that vehicle has been entered uploaded into the FLOG system

2289
03:33:44,310 --> 03:33:46,950
for other jurisdictions to be on to look out for,

2290
03:33:47,470 --> 03:33:49,670
same as an NCIC entry.

2291
03:33:50,390 --> 03:33:53,210
Okay, so if like, to in that scenario,

2292
03:33:53,330 --> 03:33:54,910
like if they're saying a car might be coming through

2293
03:33:55,400 --> 03:33:58,290
your jurisdiction, are they contacting RPD

2294
03:33:58,290 --> 03:33:59,450
and asking RPD to look,

2295
03:33:59,630 --> 03:34:01,590
or are they just gaining access to the system?

2296
03:34:01,790 --> 03:34:03,870
If they have knowledge that is coming this way,

2297
03:34:03,990 --> 03:34:06,130
if not, they're just gonna upload that vehicle

2298
03:34:06,130 --> 03:34:08,810
because of the criminal case of a homicide

2299
03:34:09,380 --> 03:34:11,350
and it's gonna be an NCIC first,

2300
03:34:11,530 --> 03:34:13,310
National Criminal Information Center first,

2301
03:34:13,310 --> 03:34:21,410
First and then it's also will be uploaded if they are a flock customer into the flock system to be on the look all for any

2302
03:34:27,260 --> 03:34:28,360
other questions.

2303
03:34:29,380 --> 03:34:30,040
All right.

2304
03:34:30,360 --> 03:34:31,360
All right. Thank you.

2305
03:34:31,540 --> 03:34:34,200
Awesome. Thank you, Chief. That concludes my report today.

2306
03:34:35,460 --> 03:34:35,700
All right.

2307
03:34:36,480 --> 03:34:40,360
Next we have the report recommendation of the Raleigh Historic Development Commission.

2308
03:34:40,640 --> 03:34:44,960
We have Tanya Tully from Planning and Development and Rob Allen Commission Chair.

2309
03:34:44,960 --> 03:34:46,580
Good afternoon.

2310
03:34:47,060 --> 03:34:51,700
Tonya Tilly, I have the pleasure of introducing Rob Allen who will present the annual report

2311
03:34:51,700 --> 03:34:52,540
and work plan.

2312
03:34:56,580 --> 03:34:57,160
Good afternoon.

2313
03:34:57,600 --> 03:35:01,100
As Tonya said, I'm Rob Allen, current chair of Raleigh Historic Development Commission.

2314
03:35:01,280 --> 03:35:07,180
Thanks for letting me speak this afternoon about our annual work plan and our annual report.

2315
03:35:07,840 --> 03:35:12,680
We approved our work plan on our regular commission meeting on July 8th.

2316
03:35:12,680 --> 03:35:21,280
So today we're asking you to receive our annual report as information and move for approval of our annual work plan as well.

2317
03:35:22,200 --> 03:35:28,240
You probably know already, but our commission is 12 members appointed by you.

2318
03:35:28,860 --> 03:35:33,680
We also have three full-time city staff members and Councillor Jones.

2319
03:35:34,200 --> 03:35:37,960
Thank you for being our Councillor Azon. You attend basically every meeting.

2320
03:35:37,960 --> 03:35:42,060
so thank you, great attendance, better than some of our own, so thank you.

2321
03:35:44,460 --> 03:35:50,200
Council does—you all do a great job, I think, of seeing the overlap and intersection

2322
03:35:50,200 --> 03:35:55,360
between the various commissions, so we have a lot of intersection with planning commission

2323
03:35:55,360 --> 03:36:03,820
and design review commission and appreciate your support and understanding the overlap

2324
03:36:03,820 --> 03:36:06,160
and how important it is between these various commissions.

2325
03:36:06,160 --> 03:36:12,040
The following slides have a few details about our work as a commission that we've completed

2326
03:36:12,040 --> 03:36:14,680
in the past year and for the upcoming fiscal year.

2327
03:36:16,040 --> 03:36:23,420
In fiscal year 2026, we saw decisions on 166 certificate or appropriateness applications.

2328
03:36:24,080 --> 03:36:33,640
These are abbreviated COA and are, they're the approval to make alterations to structures

2329
03:36:33,640 --> 03:36:38,240
and historic overlay districts, or otherwise landmark properties.

2330
03:36:38,880 --> 03:36:43,340
130 of those were approved by staff through minor works program.

2331
03:36:43,700 --> 03:36:48,640
And then 36 were approved through our QJ hearing process,

2332
03:36:48,680 --> 03:36:50,620
which is a monthly meeting here in this room.

2333
03:36:51,280 --> 03:36:55,680
We also saw a designation of three new historic landmarks,

2334
03:36:55,960 --> 03:36:59,300
and identified 36 places worthy of preservation.

2335
03:37:04,200 --> 03:37:09,580
The commission also hosted our third annual historic bike ride in partnership with the

2336
03:37:09,580 --> 03:37:11,760
bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee.

2337
03:37:12,740 --> 03:37:15,200
The group this year was about 40 cyclists.

2338
03:37:15,340 --> 03:37:22,640
We went about five miles around downtown Raleigh and saw five important locations that helped

2339
03:37:22,640 --> 03:37:24,940
celebrate the 250th anniversary.

2340
03:37:27,600 --> 03:37:34,240
Our fiscal year, 2027 work plan includes the following initiatives, presenting landmarks

2341
03:37:34,240 --> 03:37:38,840
and plaques at the Sir Walter Raleigh Awards, continuing our historic bike ride again,

2342
03:37:39,380 --> 03:37:44,220
and also celebrating the Bill Moore Hills National Register historic district.

2343
03:37:48,900 --> 03:37:54,300
Finally, in addition to routine work like certificate or appropriateness and historic

2344
03:37:54,300 --> 03:38:02,100
landmark applications. We hope to complete the update to our historic design standards that's

2345
03:38:02,100 --> 03:38:09,720
currently underway. A consultant has been hosting focus groups over the past few weeks and it's

2346
03:38:09,720 --> 03:38:16,040
about ten years since the last update, so design standards are due for an update. We'll also be

2347
03:38:16,040 --> 03:38:23,960
preparing the preservation plan and again in summary we're presenting our annual report for your

2348
03:38:23,960 --> 03:38:30,140
information and annual work plan for the upcoming year for your approval, and we appreciate

2349
03:38:30,140 --> 03:38:31,000
your continued support.

2350
03:38:31,400 --> 03:38:32,540
I'll be happy to take any questions.

2351
03:38:33,560 --> 03:38:37,000
Thank you, Mr. Allen, and those questions, yes, Councilmember.

2352
03:38:37,180 --> 03:38:39,680
Definitely thank you for the report that was presented.

2353
03:38:39,880 --> 03:38:45,460
I have a question for the, in the actual work plan, it mentions a bit more hills, a little

2354
03:38:45,460 --> 03:38:46,100
more information.

2355
03:38:46,460 --> 03:38:49,000
It says the process is ongoing.

2356
03:38:54,320 --> 03:39:15,400
We're hoping it will be in late spring of 2027, so it has been identified and submitted to the national registered but not formally adopted as a national registered historic district, but that's our hope is that in the spring of 2027 it will be approved and able to be celebrated formally.

2357
03:39:15,400 --> 03:39:21,420
Okay, so historically, is it about a year, it takes them a year, is that the normal time?

2358
03:39:21,440 --> 03:39:25,720
I think that's a fair estimate, all right, thank you.

2359
03:39:26,900 --> 03:39:29,220
Any other questions from Mr. Allen?

2360
03:39:30,320 --> 03:39:32,020
Okay, not, we need to, yeah.

2361
03:39:33,180 --> 03:39:37,140
I just want to say, I definitely enjoy coming to your meetings.

2362
03:39:37,140 --> 03:39:43,200
You guys do a wonderful job, committee reports, making sure that everyone is updated on

2363
03:39:43,200 --> 03:39:49,820
The OA happenings, demolitions I know we discussed in the last meeting, so thank you for all

2364
03:39:49,820 --> 03:39:50,080
of that.

2365
03:39:50,340 --> 03:39:54,440
I do remember from our last meeting that there were a few events that I was wondering if

2366
03:39:54,440 --> 03:39:58,240
you could make sure how that I think it was Miss Octavia Rainey, who is hosting an event

2367
03:39:58,240 --> 03:40:02,440
this month that I would like to make sure she has a space to talk about that.

2368
03:40:03,080 --> 03:40:12,060
Yes, she is hosting a helping host Jazz Fest or Gospel Fest, I'm sorry, hi Octavia, hi

2369
03:40:12,060 --> 03:40:12,780
nice to see you.

2370
03:40:12,780 --> 03:40:22,920
Well, you remind me of the date of gospel fest and August the 23rd. It's a Sunday beginning at 3 or 4 p.m

2371
03:40:22,920 --> 03:40:29,440
4 to 7 and it's at the martin reato performing arts center

2372
03:40:29,440 --> 03:40:35,680
Well, thank you all so much for your work and your continued efforts in preservation because it is very important

2373
03:40:35,680 --> 03:40:39,040
I've learned a lot so thank you and with that I'll move to

2374
03:40:39,040 --> 03:40:42,920
approve their 2027 work plan for R-H-G-C.

2375
03:40:43,220 --> 03:40:46,890
All in favor of the motion, aye.

2376
03:40:47,810 --> 03:40:48,630
All opposed, nay.

2377
03:40:49,210 --> 03:40:50,010
Thank you very much.

2378
03:40:50,010 --> 03:40:50,710
Great, thank you very much.

2379
03:40:51,950 --> 03:40:55,410
Okay, next we have matters scheduled for public hearing.

2380
03:40:55,710 --> 03:41:01,370
The first is unfit dwellings unfit for human habitation, Bryce Abernathy.

2381
03:41:02,670 --> 03:41:04,610
Good afternoon, Mayor and Council.

2382
03:41:05,290 --> 03:41:07,370
Bryce Abernathy with Housing and Community Development.

2383
03:41:07,370 --> 03:41:12,410
The first property I'm bringing here today is 2725 pool road.

2384
03:41:13,130 --> 03:41:16,090
This property caught on fire in April.

2385
03:41:17,950 --> 03:41:21,630
The owner has not applied for any permits to repair.

2386
03:41:22,310 --> 03:41:27,150
This is air property and we have been in touch with an executor of this abuse property.

2387
03:41:28,010 --> 03:41:32,590
And we had asked her to kind of board it up and secure it and that has not happened.

2388
03:41:32,590 --> 03:41:35,430
And so with adoption of the on-fit for human

2389
03:41:35,430 --> 03:41:39,370
application ordinance today, that'll give us the ability to go in and board it up and secure it.

2390
03:41:39,970 --> 03:41:44,230
If it stays in this shape, I'll bring it back to council probably,

2391
03:41:44,570 --> 03:41:50,010
Juneish of next year for a demolition ordinance if no permits or work is start on those.

2392
03:41:50,950 --> 03:41:51,470
Questions?

2393
03:41:52,930 --> 03:41:54,830
I will open the public hearing.

2394
03:41:54,830 --> 03:41:58,830
There's no one signed up in support or opposition and close.

2395
03:42:02,760 --> 03:42:03,900
We'll floor approval.

2396
03:42:05,300 --> 03:42:06,940
All in favor of the motion aye.

2397
03:42:08,060 --> 03:42:08,460
All opposed.

2398
03:42:08,960 --> 03:42:09,100
All right.

2399
03:42:09,300 --> 03:42:10,800
That is unanimous.

2400
03:42:11,220 --> 03:42:15,040
Next, we have public nuisance abatement.

2401
03:42:16,160 --> 03:42:16,760
Again.

2402
03:42:17,060 --> 03:42:17,180
Yes.

2403
03:42:18,240 --> 03:42:24,660
Two of these, we know that two of these have been paid 133 star and 137 star.

2404
03:42:26,320 --> 03:42:28,720
The other payments that we have, whoops,

2405
03:42:37,540 --> 03:42:40,080
yes, 660 Coleman was a

2406
03:42:40,080 --> 03:42:45,520
The referral from our transportation department for a bush that was kind of encroaching into the street and causing a visual obstruction.

2407
03:42:46,740 --> 03:42:51,140
We did take referrals from them and send out notices of violation to the property owners.

2408
03:42:51,760 --> 03:42:55,140
In this instance, the property owner did not get that bush back.

2409
03:42:57,460 --> 03:43:03,560
One, 1011 Oberlin Road was just some sporadic trash throughout the lot and high grass in the front yard.

2410
03:43:05,680 --> 03:43:07,240
was also high grass,

2411
03:43:10,020 --> 03:43:23,640
4117 St. James Church Road was just sporadic trash and a tree had fallen in the front, and 813 Northwest Street was an overgrown lot in high grass and weeds.

2412
03:43:26,900 --> 03:43:31,880
Okay, and I don't believe we have anyone signed up for any of this, right?

2413
03:43:31,880 --> 03:43:36,500
So I will open the public hearing and close the public hearing.

2414
03:43:39,230 --> 03:43:39,870
Is there a motion?

2415
03:43:40,630 --> 03:43:41,270
Move forward, approval.

2416
03:43:42,150 --> 03:43:42,630
Second.

2417
03:43:43,130 --> 03:43:44,610
All in favor of the motion, aye.

2418
03:43:45,090 --> 03:43:45,370
Aye.

2419
03:43:45,590 --> 03:43:46,350
All opposed, nay.

2420
03:43:46,650 --> 03:43:48,390
And that is unanimous.

2421
03:43:49,130 --> 03:43:49,230
Thank you.

2422
03:43:49,230 --> 03:43:54,650
Next, we have petition annexation AX0626.

2423
03:43:58,670 --> 03:43:59,410
Yes, ma'am.

2424
03:43:59,630 --> 03:44:01,510
Matthew Clem, Raleigh Planning and Development.

2425
03:44:02,270 --> 03:44:05,090
This is a request to annex a piece of property

2426
03:44:05,690 --> 03:44:07,230
just on Mitchell Mill Road.

2427
03:44:07,910 --> 03:44:12,630
The applicant has requested to hold the public hearing open until March.

2428
03:44:13,170 --> 03:44:18,970
They had plans to redevelop the site and build a new home and wanted to connect to water

2429
03:44:18,970 --> 03:44:20,070
and sewer utilities.

2430
03:44:21,430 --> 03:44:26,890
After doing some research, they are just looking for a little more time to understand their household

2431
03:44:26,890 --> 03:44:32,550
costs in terms of the cost to extend utilities to the site, which are adjacent to the property,

2432
03:44:32,550 --> 03:44:37,070
which is why they're required to come in for annexation and just getting more

2433
03:44:37,070 --> 03:44:42,570
research on what it would cost to upfit their existing private utilities so

2434
03:44:42,570 --> 03:44:45,770
they're well-inceptic on site. So the applicants are not here but they have

2435
03:44:45,770 --> 03:44:49,710
requested to hold the hearing until March just to do that research for themselves

2436
03:44:49,710 --> 03:44:53,750
to understand their household costs for what annexation would mean for them.

2437
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:28,420
Seems like a very long time to hold a case open, and I know we have to set it to a date certain. Would it be more prudent to just withdraw this case and have them reapply? We did advise them of those options. They have not withdrawn their case. So the item is before you for your deliberation. You could take action on the case today. And if, for example, if you deny the case, they could request annexation petition sometime in the future when they got more information.

2438
03:45:28,420 --> 03:45:31,460
and we gave them that same information

2439
03:45:31,460 --> 03:45:32,880
and shared that same concern.

2440
03:45:33,300 --> 03:45:33,440
Okay.

2441
03:45:34,220 --> 03:45:37,320
So, and so, I guess that speaks to my follow-up question.

2442
03:45:37,540 --> 03:45:39,620
So there's no consequence for them

2443
03:45:39,620 --> 03:45:42,720
if we were to deny today and they reapplied it in the future,

2444
03:45:42,800 --> 03:45:44,520
there's not a two year waiting period

2445
03:45:44,520 --> 03:45:45,420
or some other kind of.

2446
03:45:45,420 --> 03:45:48,840
Kind of pay another fine link fee application fee, right?

2447
03:45:49,040 --> 03:45:49,780
Yeah, the application fee.

2448
03:45:49,780 --> 03:45:51,260
So they would have to pay another application fee,

2449
03:45:51,460 --> 03:45:52,780
which is how much is that?

2450
03:45:53,180 --> 03:45:57,520
I don't know, off hand, I'll ask my staff to look that up

2451
03:45:57,520 --> 03:45:59,940
and we're going to get you that cost okay okay

2452
03:46:02,310 --> 03:46:06,050
yeah it feels like a very long time

2453
03:46:06,050 --> 03:46:13,150
to hold the key what about $600 for the application that could be significant for our family

2454
03:46:16,130 --> 03:46:16,530
correct

2455
03:46:22,260 --> 03:46:26,900
I will say they did reach out to me and I that what was communicating to me at the time

2456
03:46:26,900 --> 03:46:31,980
is that they would be in touch with you and I this is the kind of first closing of the loop

2457
03:46:31,980 --> 03:46:38,340
If we could just hold this open for two weeks to the afternoon meeting, so I can have a

2458
03:46:38,340 --> 03:46:40,820
chance to consult with the residents directly.

2459
03:46:42,960 --> 03:46:46,100
If the Council is available to that, my motion would be to hold this open.

2460
03:46:46,280 --> 03:46:52,780
Well, let me open the hearing and then we will, you want to make your motion to hold it open.

2461
03:46:53,480 --> 03:46:53,640
Yes.

2462
03:46:54,280 --> 03:47:01,360
Move to hold this case open until September 1st in the afternoon meeting.

2463
03:47:01,360 --> 03:47:09,660
So moved. Second. All in favor of that motion. I all opposed. Appreciate the creative problem-solving.

2464
03:47:10,900 --> 03:47:16,100
Next we have AX0726, 2900 Barrington Drive.

2465
03:47:27,540 --> 03:47:33,780
Yep. Thank you, Mayor. This is a request to Annex roughly one acre piece of property for the purposes

2466
03:47:33,780 --> 03:47:41,440
of developing four detached housing units on the site. Water and sewer are directly available in

2467
03:47:41,440 --> 03:47:47,720
bearing can drive. There is an existing detached structure on the site. It's within our priority

2468
03:47:47,720 --> 03:47:55,360
annexation boundary. It is outside of the standard NFPA response time for full fire response

2469
03:47:55,360 --> 03:48:00,860
and arrival for a second company. That's the information on the case. I have the rest of the slide

2470
03:48:00,860 --> 03:48:05,860
deck if you're interested in more information. I'm happy to answer any questions. Questions?

2471
03:48:07,120 --> 03:48:13,540
Okay. So we'll open the hearing and close it because there's no one signed up. Do we have a motion?

2472
03:48:14,240 --> 03:48:15,020
Move for approval.

2473
03:48:16,540 --> 03:48:18,840
Second. All in favor of the motion, aye.

2474
03:48:19,160 --> 03:48:19,420
Aye.

2475
03:48:19,760 --> 03:48:22,120
All opposed, nay. That is unanimous.

2476
03:48:22,740 --> 03:48:25,840
As we all know, ax09 was taken off.

2477
03:48:26,840 --> 03:48:32,320
And then next was ax14265700 fox road.

2478
03:48:32,320 --> 03:48:33,360
Yep,

2479
03:48:35,420 --> 03:48:36,940
similar case I can go ahead and get started.

2480
03:48:37,280 --> 03:48:45,300
This is a request to annex a small parcel for the purposes of developing four townhouse

2481
03:48:45,300 --> 03:48:45,740
units.

2482
03:48:46,500 --> 03:48:52,680
It is in the priority annexation area and is adjacent to utilities more details on this

2483
03:48:52,680 --> 03:48:53,720
screen here in just a second.

2484
03:48:54,400 --> 03:48:55,100
Yep, there you go.

2485
03:48:55,760 --> 03:48:59,820
Outside of this standard NFPA response time for a full response and arrival of a second

2486
03:48:59,820 --> 03:49:06,760
company, .6 Craig or site, they have a subdivision approved and an interview for SPR.

2487
03:49:13,490 --> 03:49:22,770
Okay. Questions? All right. We'll open the public hearing and close it. We have a motion.

2488
03:49:22,890 --> 03:49:28,870
Move for approval. Second. All in favor. Aye. All opposed.

2489
03:49:28,870 --> 03:49:30,330
That's unanimous.

2490
03:49:31,190 --> 03:49:31,670
All right.

2491
03:49:31,890 --> 03:49:33,910
Next we have 319 Hex Street.

2492
03:49:35,350 --> 03:49:37,650
And we have Hannah Rekow from Planning and Development.

2493
03:49:38,770 --> 03:49:39,850
Yes. Good afternoon.

2494
03:49:40,030 --> 03:49:41,310
Hannah Rekow, Planning and Development.

2495
03:49:41,990 --> 03:49:46,250
This is a request to re-zone 319 Hex Street from R10

2496
03:49:46,250 --> 03:49:49,690
with the Neighborhood Conservation Overlay District to RX4 conditional use.

2497
03:49:50,350 --> 03:49:53,290
As you may recall, this hearing was opened at your June 16th meeting

2498
03:49:53,290 --> 03:49:56,290
and a request of the applicant kept open

2499
03:49:56,290 --> 03:50:00,190
to allow them time to consider possible changes to the request.

2500
03:50:00,990 --> 03:50:07,730
No changes have been made, so the request is still RX-4 conditional use with the same conditions you saw on June 16th.

2501
03:50:07,950 --> 03:50:11,570
So with that happy to review any details of the case or answer any questions?

2502
03:50:12,730 --> 03:50:13,890
Questions from Mr. Rackle?

2503
03:50:15,270 --> 03:50:20,590
I have one question for staff. So based on the current conditions, what's the height?

2504
03:50:22,190 --> 03:50:28,050
of the request or the of this request it is four stories and then the conditions

2505
03:50:28,050 --> 03:50:29,910
limit it to 55 feet okay

2506
03:50:33,110 --> 03:50:38,030
any other questions okay I will open the public hearing

2507
03:50:38,030 --> 03:50:44,310
and we have two folks signed up in support for we should have eight minutes right

2508
03:50:44,310 --> 03:50:45,310
this

2509
03:50:47,680 --> 03:50:51,080
hearing was continued okay not that time I have been depleted so you guys

2510
03:50:51,080 --> 03:50:52,220
and added four minutes per side.

2511
03:50:52,600 --> 03:50:58,900
Okay, correct, so two minutes, two folks on this support side.

2512
03:51:00,360 --> 03:51:01,020
Thank you.

2513
03:51:01,460 --> 03:51:04,520
Molly Stewart Morningstar Law Group here on behalf of the applicant.

2514
03:51:04,960 --> 03:51:08,780
With respect to the height, I do want to note that that 55-foot height would bring in the

2515
03:51:08,780 --> 03:51:13,320
full neighborhood transition to the R district to the south, so that would be a 50-foot building

2516
03:51:13,320 --> 03:51:19,100
setback with an additional height control for a 65-foot distance before you get to that

2517
03:51:19,100 --> 03:51:23,740
50-foot height, most likely, this site would develop at 50 feet maximum because it would

2518
03:51:23,740 --> 03:51:25,620
reduce that neighborhood transition.

2519
03:51:26,140 --> 03:51:26,980
Just want to highlight that.

2520
03:51:27,620 --> 03:51:31,960
One of the issues that we've heard with this request relates to the NCOD removal.

2521
03:51:32,220 --> 03:51:36,940
Specifically, we keep hearing that this is a slippery slope issue that somehow nibbling

2522
03:51:36,940 --> 03:51:41,380
away at the edge of the NCOD will result in the unraveling of the historic character of

2523
03:51:41,380 --> 03:51:41,760
the neighborhood.

2524
03:51:42,460 --> 03:51:44,040
There's a larger threat to our downtown.

2525
03:51:44,040 --> 03:51:49,380
We have already seen that our downtown is surrounded by and often directly controlled

2526
03:51:49,380 --> 03:51:53,020
by a combination of historic overlay districts and NCODs.

2527
03:51:53,300 --> 03:51:59,440
We've seen that our NCODs do not actually conserve character unless short detached expensive

2528
03:51:59,440 --> 03:52:00,940
housing is a character.

2529
03:52:01,780 --> 03:52:06,620
If there was ever a property that lacked character or any positive contribution to its neighborhood,

2530
03:52:06,960 --> 03:52:07,540
this is it.

2531
03:52:08,140 --> 03:52:12,000
If there was ever a property that should never have been included in the

2532
03:52:12,000 --> 03:52:16,780
C.O.D. as it did not conform with the C.O.D. on adoption, this is the one.

2533
03:52:17,540 --> 03:52:20,400
And if there was ever a property sitting on the very outer fringe of a

2534
03:52:20,400 --> 03:52:24,940
C.O.D. in fronting on the main cut through street of that N.C.O.D., this is it.

2535
03:52:25,520 --> 03:52:29,640
The City Council has taken extraordinary and well-founded measures to ensure

2536
03:52:29,640 --> 03:52:33,660
that this is a city with an efficient bus system that serves dense quarters.

2537
03:52:33,660 --> 03:52:39,420
It has mapped, specifically, where those transit quarters should be supported with residents and with businesses.

2538
03:52:39,980 --> 03:52:46,940
It has adopted measures to ensure that the city can grow the small developers who can provide the downtown infill housing our city needs.

2539
03:52:47,620 --> 03:53:01,200
And now a homegrown and experienced small developer, one with a demonstrated track record of working to solve the problem of providing housing in the downtown area for non-millionaires is bringing here a proposal meeting every one of these policies.

2540
03:53:01,200 --> 03:53:04,080
He has engaged extensively with the neighbors.

2541
03:53:04,460 --> 03:53:09,320
He's heard their concerns through three neighborhood meetings and countless one-on-one conversations.

2542
03:53:10,060 --> 03:53:20,700
And that has resulted in zoning conditions that cap the building height, cap the number of units, provide historical marker, prohibit all office use and all retail use.

2543
03:53:21,160 --> 03:53:27,900
In short, he's done everything he's been asked to that he believes in his experience can still produce a viable project.

2544
03:53:27,900 --> 03:53:34,740
So, yes, there is a slippery slope at issue here, a no here at the far edge of the NCOD.

2545
03:53:35,360 --> 03:53:40,960
Next to a parcel that can be built at 80 feet tall, a no in this location would tell

2546
03:53:40,960 --> 03:53:45,160
all of our small developers not to bring us infill in these locations.

2547
03:53:45,660 --> 03:53:51,240
Unless that infill is a simple tear down of older housing stock for replacement with larger

2548
03:53:51,240 --> 03:53:53,380
more expensive detached houses.

2549
03:53:53,380 --> 03:53:57,980
We would be telling them that no matter how accommodating of neighbor concerns you may be,

2550
03:53:58,240 --> 03:54:03,480
we cannot support any amount of gentle density, despite having put in place the neighborhood

2551
03:54:03,480 --> 03:54:07,700
transition requirements to provide buffers in exactly this situation.

2552
03:54:08,340 --> 03:54:13,820
In a minute, I expect you're going to hear about the importance of maintaining those NCODs.

2553
03:54:14,060 --> 03:54:20,140
As though they are providing conservation benefits, as if they do not drive up housing costs

2554
03:54:20,140 --> 03:54:26,020
or reduce our supply in our core and push residents further out where they're now required to drive.

2555
03:54:26,720 --> 03:54:33,900
And you'll hear about the threat that's posed by a few more feet of height than what's permitted by right in a typical R10 district in the city.

2556
03:54:34,520 --> 03:54:45,300
We simply ask that in hearing those concerns, we also continue to ask the question that if we don't even want four store moderate density here, where would we rather see that?

2557
03:54:45,860 --> 03:54:46,300
Thank you.

2558
03:54:46,300 --> 03:54:48,260
All right.

2559
03:54:48,500 --> 03:54:48,760
Thank you.

2560
03:54:50,280 --> 03:54:50,940
All right.

2561
03:54:51,260 --> 03:54:53,300
Next we will move to the opposition.

2562
03:54:54,140 --> 03:54:58,100
We have seven folks to speak in four minutes.

2563
03:54:58,560 --> 03:54:59,540
I will just name you.

2564
03:54:59,680 --> 03:55:02,260
And I'm assuming you guys can organize yourself.

2565
03:55:02,540 --> 03:55:05,800
Stacy Murphy, Chris Cruz, Sarah Maritz, Kathleen Payne, Katie Long,

2566
03:55:06,060 --> 03:55:07,280
Octavia Rainian, Matthew Brown.

2567
03:55:23,810 --> 03:55:24,450
I'm Katie Long.

2568
03:55:24,870 --> 03:55:26,370
I live four houses down.

2569
03:55:26,370 --> 03:55:30,530
I've spoken to you in a planning commission every time it's been on the agenda.

2570
03:55:30,530 --> 03:55:33,630
and I'm here on behalf of every homeowner living

2571
03:55:33,630 --> 03:55:36,950
on the 900 block of Oakwood directly next to the slot.

2572
03:55:37,730 --> 03:55:39,870
Every one of us is raising children here.

2573
03:55:40,410 --> 03:55:42,110
Their jobs prevented them from speaking today,

2574
03:55:42,250 --> 03:55:44,450
but every one of you received an email

2575
03:55:44,450 --> 03:55:46,090
from each of them this week,

2576
03:55:46,750 --> 03:55:48,610
and from two renters on the block,

2577
03:55:48,890 --> 03:55:50,370
and the family and idle wild,

2578
03:55:50,370 --> 03:55:52,230
who lives directly across from this slot.

2579
03:55:52,670 --> 03:55:53,450
As elected officials,

2580
03:55:53,630 --> 03:55:55,010
you know there's no shortage of opinion,

2581
03:55:55,130 --> 03:55:56,850
but it's hard to get people engaged into act.

2582
03:55:57,250 --> 03:55:58,930
We did, this is important.

2583
03:55:59,790 --> 03:56:02,170
Optioning and removing the NCOD is significant.

2584
03:56:02,650 --> 03:56:06,450
It currently offers us the protection of 10 units on this half acre.

2585
03:56:06,910 --> 03:56:11,870
Staff estimated it could jump to 52, Council Member Branch U heard that concern and asked

2586
03:56:11,870 --> 03:56:14,590
the developer with submitting a condition with their planned max.

2587
03:56:15,270 --> 03:56:16,830
You heard the answer, 40.

2588
03:56:17,770 --> 03:56:21,890
Go to the affordable housing cottages of idle wild under construction behind us.

2589
03:56:22,430 --> 03:56:27,690
1.17 acres with 18 units, it's dense but in a neighborly way.

2590
03:56:28,270 --> 03:56:32,950
This half acre would be over four times that density, 40 as a deal breaker.

2591
03:56:33,490 --> 03:56:39,090
Throughout this process, my neighbors and I have consistently contacted the developer asking for site plans help us help you.

2592
03:56:39,450 --> 03:56:43,990
Get us comfortable with what you have planned, the basics of stat backs and parking to fit to the neighborhood.

2593
03:56:44,550 --> 03:56:46,670
There's only street parking on one side of Oakwood.

2594
03:56:47,190 --> 03:56:49,410
We have a love, the bike lane on the other.

2595
03:56:49,890 --> 03:56:53,850
The flanking streets of heck and idle wild are very narrow at 25 feet.

2596
03:56:53,850 --> 03:56:57,090
parking on both sides would make emergency vehicles difficult.

2597
03:56:57,750 --> 03:57:02,330
When we collaborate, which we tried, we raise and solve these problems, but no site plans.

2598
03:57:02,950 --> 03:57:06,650
Our recommendation of a 20-unit max was rejected outright, and it's generous.

2599
03:57:06,950 --> 03:57:12,550
We shared a link to new construction on par with our recommendation, Suele between Newburn

2600
03:57:12,550 --> 03:57:15,230
and Eden 10, so you could visualize firsthand 20.

2601
03:57:15,610 --> 03:57:21,190
Those are half acre lots, 18 units on one side, 20 units on the other, and much busier streets.

2602
03:57:22,410 --> 03:57:25,930
It's dense, but it supports how reasonable we are trying to be.

2603
03:57:26,250 --> 03:57:30,270
Additionally, our request for true parity with current zoning to exclude commercial usage

2604
03:57:30,270 --> 03:57:31,070
was rejected.

2605
03:57:31,710 --> 03:57:34,650
If providing housing is there true intent, that should be no problem.

2606
03:57:35,410 --> 03:57:41,770
Please deny the 3925 preserve our unique neighborhood where idle wild and oakwood meet.

2607
03:57:42,490 --> 03:57:47,250
Rest assured your vote against is a rejection of 40 densely packed units, not a vote against

2608
03:57:47,250 --> 03:57:52,610
housing, preserve current, and you still enable 10 newly constructed neighborhood friendly units on this half-acre.

2609
03:57:56,530 --> 03:58:08,670
A raise of the NCOD on this and a change in zoning to RX to evade section 2.2.7 of the UDO is not in the public interest and is a clear example of spot zoning.

2610
03:58:09,410 --> 03:58:15,370
Absent any detailed plans, you can't make a decision on this that is not arbitrary and capricious.

2611
03:58:15,370 --> 03:58:20,030
This is detrimental to the protection afforded to Raleigh's residential neighborhoods.

2612
03:58:20,570 --> 03:58:26,170
25% of Raleigh's own from multi-use mixed or multi-story mixed use.

2613
03:58:26,490 --> 03:58:30,730
4% is protected by an NCOD, 1% by an HOD.

2614
03:58:31,250 --> 03:58:34,250
Please listen to these public concerns and deny this request.

2615
03:58:34,650 --> 03:58:34,850
Thank you.

2616
03:58:40,070 --> 03:58:45,430
I'm asking you to deny this request for the NCOD.

2617
03:58:45,430 --> 03:58:53,390
I worked with George Chapman years ago on the NCOD in out a while in New

2618
03:58:53,390 --> 03:58:59,090
Bern Avenue. He said, this is for our protection. You may not need it now,

2619
03:58:59,470 --> 03:59:05,070
but you may need it in the future. This is the future and we need it. Please

2620
03:59:05,070 --> 03:59:12,110
deny this request. Also, our history is not for sale, so also deny,

2621
03:59:12,110 --> 03:59:15,510
I do signage of whatever he wants to put up.

2622
03:59:16,130 --> 03:59:17,850
You know, slavery is over.

2623
03:59:18,170 --> 03:59:19,730
You don't have to sell our history.

2624
03:59:25,030 --> 03:59:27,670
Out of wilds, one of Rale's oldest black neighborhoods

2625
03:59:27,670 --> 03:59:31,870
and most of the beautiful historic houses are still standing.

2626
03:59:33,450 --> 03:59:35,850
Most of, many of them are over 100 years old.

2627
03:59:36,410 --> 03:59:39,630
Many of them are naturally occurring, affordable housing.

2628
03:59:41,650 --> 03:59:42,230
Thank you.

2629
03:59:43,530 --> 03:59:44,210
All right.

2630
03:59:44,210 --> 03:59:47,130
All right, any questions for I close the.

2631
03:59:47,910 --> 03:59:49,390
I have a question from the store.

2632
03:59:52,940 --> 03:59:55,180
Is your client planning on building 40 units?

2633
03:59:56,240 --> 03:59:57,060
He is here.

2634
04:00:04,080 --> 04:00:32,660
My name is Stuart Cullen in. I've lived in the College Park neighborhood since 2006, up until last fall when I moved, and I've raised my family here, so I've been in this neighborhood. I've also lived in Oakwood. The 40 unit max is a scenario where these are just one bedroom apartments or condos. That's sort of the lowest possible entry price point that you'd see in a neighborhood.

2635
04:00:32,660 --> 04:00:37,840
I think that realistically with a combination of one and two bedroom units,

2636
04:00:37,840 --> 04:00:44,120
we'd probably be in the 30 to 32 range to comfortably park it.

2637
04:00:44,840 --> 04:00:49,360
From a unit max perspective, and not known exactly where the market's going,

2638
04:00:49,920 --> 04:00:56,060
we wanted to leave a maximum in place that sort of provided a ton of different options.

2639
04:00:56,640 --> 04:00:57,760
Town Homes are an option.

2640
04:00:58,740 --> 04:01:08,960
You know, what's there today is 12 units on a half acre, which is probably quite a bit denser than the Rale area land trust project down the street and they've been there since 1973.

2641
04:01:10,680 --> 04:01:14,220
So the likelihood is that it is going to be less than that.

2642
04:01:15,780 --> 04:01:19,640
But that again was a maximum, an absolute maximum.

2643
04:01:20,440 --> 04:01:22,040
So thank you for the question.

2644
04:01:28,100 --> 04:01:32,290
I just a couple of questions I have.

2645
04:01:33,210 --> 04:01:35,610
This one is actually for staff.

2646
04:01:36,770 --> 04:01:39,010
So there's currently 12 units there.

2647
04:01:39,290 --> 04:01:43,050
It's .5 acres, but this was labeled as R10.

2648
04:01:43,390 --> 04:01:51,830
Why do we initially make this R10 when the current units there, we know they're no longer

2649
04:01:51,830 --> 04:01:53,010
and grant service because of the fire,

2650
04:01:53,530 --> 04:01:57,250
but they see the current allow units.

2651
04:01:59,710 --> 04:02:00,950
And I know it may be before you,

2652
04:02:01,110 --> 04:02:02,230
but that's the question I have.

2653
04:02:02,250 --> 04:02:05,870
Yeah, my educated guess is that it is likely

2654
04:02:05,870 --> 04:02:09,910
that because the definition of our 10 has changed over the years.

2655
04:02:10,850 --> 04:02:11,810
And I'll turn, I don't know.

2656
04:02:15,030 --> 04:02:20,310
Yeah, and I'll say in the 2014 remapping

2657
04:02:20,930 --> 04:02:22,210
and the adoption of the UDO,

2658
04:02:22,210 --> 04:02:31,490
So that mapping exercise transferred effectively the same existing zoning to the new zoning

2659
04:02:31,490 --> 04:02:33,630
has defined in the unified development ordinance.

2660
04:02:34,370 --> 04:02:37,370
So properties zoning wasn't changed based on what was built there.

2661
04:02:37,770 --> 04:02:41,550
So there was no up or down zoning really in that process by and large.

2662
04:02:42,410 --> 04:02:49,850
So if the development was non-conforming based on the zoning at that time, then that has

2663
04:02:49,850 --> 04:02:52,690
I've just been in place since the remapping in 2014.

2664
04:02:53,190 --> 04:02:54,030
Adopted in 2016.

2665
04:02:54,770 --> 04:02:56,490
Okay, all right, thank you.

2666
04:02:56,970 --> 04:02:58,950
This question is for the applicant.

2667
04:02:59,970 --> 04:03:04,590
You mentioned needing four stories for your project.

2668
04:03:05,310 --> 04:03:07,870
Can you explain why four stories, again?

2669
04:03:09,050 --> 04:03:11,490
It's been a month and a half since we've heard.

2670
04:03:13,910 --> 04:03:16,910
I did want to mention the zoning component.

2671
04:03:17,510 --> 04:03:19,870
I've studied the neighborhood area plan

2672
04:03:19,870 --> 04:03:25,430
that was authorized by Council, I think it was in like the early 90s and this property

2673
04:03:25,430 --> 04:03:30,770
was originally an R20. It was down zone as part of the NCOD, everything sort of got

2674
04:03:30,770 --> 04:03:35,850
down zone to R10 and so that's a little bit of the history obviously that predates the

2675
04:03:35,850 --> 04:03:42,210
UDO, but originally when we had our first neighborhood meeting what came up was the concern

2676
04:03:42,210 --> 04:03:48,210
about retail so we immediately removed that option. I mean I think I understand how neighborhood

2677
04:03:48,210 --> 04:03:52,450
head retail can be an ad benefit to a neighborhood, but that was a big concern here.

2678
04:03:53,670 --> 04:03:57,190
We ultimately also removed office in case that became a concern.

2679
04:03:58,470 --> 04:04:04,930
But as far as the height goes, part of the reason that came into conversation was because

2680
04:04:04,930 --> 04:04:06,270
neighbors were concerned about parking.

2681
04:04:07,010 --> 04:04:09,390
And so for us, we really wanted to have three floors of residential.

2682
04:04:10,210 --> 04:04:14,570
And to have one floor of parking and then two floors of residential,

2683
04:04:14,570 --> 04:04:22,170
It just was going to be a lot of parking structure and not as much residential and just ends up sort of creating an affordability issue.

2684
04:04:22,970 --> 04:04:34,030
So we kept the Rx like the three story component with the goal of having parking underneath to accommodate one park per unit around that range.

2685
04:04:34,550 --> 04:04:42,610
So that was a change that we did make in the process at sort of a response to people, our neighbors asking, how are you going to park it?

2686
04:04:42,610 --> 04:04:45,470
So that was the, that was the reason.

2687
04:04:48,730 --> 04:04:49,470
Other questions?

2688
04:04:49,850 --> 04:04:51,030
Yes, Councilor Silver.

2689
04:04:51,750 --> 04:04:53,890
Whether staff or Malik can answer this question,

2690
04:04:53,890 --> 04:04:58,990
I just want to be clear when this NCOD was approved

2691
04:05:00,730 --> 04:05:05,670
that property was non-conforming to the requirements

2692
04:05:05,670 --> 04:05:08,190
of the NCOD, did I get that correct?

2693
04:05:12,710 --> 04:05:14,790
Yes, and specifically the building placement.

2694
04:05:19,310 --> 04:05:20,510
Any other questions or?

2695
04:05:23,890 --> 04:05:30,790
Not really a question. This one's been a tough one for me because I understand the concerns of the community.

2696
04:05:31,770 --> 04:05:36,750
And I also understand the developer and what they're trying to do in our need for housing.

2697
04:05:37,530 --> 04:05:43,150
And I've gone back and forth and forth and back on what I thought about this case.

2698
04:05:43,630 --> 04:05:48,230
And I even drove by it again the other day to look at it.

2699
04:05:48,230 --> 04:05:56,810
And me driving by it helped me determine where I'm going with my motion in the end.

2700
04:05:59,030 --> 04:06:04,930
And my motion is, I actually move to the adopt, the proposed consistency statement dated

2701
04:06:04,930 --> 04:06:10,570
August 18th, 2026 contained in the general materials and to deny this zoning amendment.

2702
04:06:13,590 --> 04:06:20,010
All right, so the motion is to deny, so an I is a denial, all right, so all in.

2703
04:06:20,010 --> 04:06:35,250
voting aye voting to deny okay and voting against denial okay so that is a

2704
04:06:35,250 --> 04:06:37,150
four for split.

2705
04:06:43,310 --> 04:06:45,970
I'll make a motion to approve then I move to adopt a

2706
04:06:45,970 --> 04:06:49,550
process this is statement dated August 18th 2026 containing the

2707
04:06:49,550 --> 04:06:52,290
agenda materials and to approve the zoning amendment with the adoption and effective

2708
04:06:52,290 --> 04:06:58,190
dates described in the agenda item under recommended action. Second all in

2709
04:06:58,190 --> 04:06:59,610
In favor of the motion, aye.

2710
04:07:00,410 --> 04:07:01,310
All opposed?

2711
04:07:02,510 --> 04:07:03,070
Same.

2712
04:07:03,570 --> 04:07:03,670
Okay.

2713
04:07:06,520 --> 04:07:06,680
All right.

2714
04:07:08,820 --> 04:07:10,040
We will move on.

2715
04:07:11,800 --> 04:07:17,100
The next case is Z-51-25-48-04.

2716
04:07:17,980 --> 04:07:19,920
And 48-08.

2717
04:07:20,420 --> 04:07:21,780
I think Mayor might be helpful to clarify.

2718
04:07:22,040 --> 04:07:23,540
I'm not sure if everyone knows what happens.

2719
04:07:23,940 --> 04:07:25,240
Right, so it was a split vote.

2720
04:07:25,440 --> 04:07:29,700
So there was not enough to approve or deny.

2721
04:07:29,700 --> 04:07:32,780
So, City Attorney, so no change.

2722
04:07:33,580 --> 04:07:35,280
So, is it actually there's no change?

2723
04:07:35,780 --> 04:07:35,840
Yeah.

2724
04:07:36,480 --> 04:07:40,160
And the applicant has an opportunity, if these so chooses,

2725
04:07:40,840 --> 04:07:43,760
to refile a new application at any time.

2726
04:07:44,000 --> 04:07:44,600
That is correct.

2727
04:07:47,630 --> 04:07:49,030
Yeah, thank you for the clarification.

2728
04:07:51,690 --> 04:07:55,530
Okay, 4804 and 4808 Spring Force Roads, Z-5125.

2729
04:08:05,820 --> 04:08:06,820
Good afternoon, Mayor Cal.

2730
04:08:07,040 --> 04:08:07,740
Members of the City Council.

2731
04:08:08,320 --> 04:08:09,440
Matthew Burns of the Planning and Development.

2732
04:08:10,160 --> 04:08:15,100
This is a request to rezone two parcels that are just under four acres from residential

2733
04:08:15,100 --> 04:08:18,380
one to commercial mixed use three stories with conditions.

2734
04:08:19,160 --> 04:08:23,660
The request is consistent with the 2030 plan inconsistent with the future lane use map

2735
04:08:23,660 --> 04:08:26,940
and the planning commission recommends unanimous approval of the request.

2736
04:08:29,580 --> 04:08:33,940
This site is in Northeast Raleigh about a quarter mile west of the intersection of Lewisburg,

2737
04:08:33,940 --> 04:08:43,200
U.S. 401 in Spring Forest Road, and about three-quarter miles southwest of U.S. 401 and 540's interchange.

2738
04:08:44,060 --> 04:08:49,620
To the northwest and south are residential pieces, whereas to the east and southeast are commercial

2739
04:08:49,620 --> 04:08:54,740
and industrial uses, including a food line and McDonald's in a car dealership.

2740
04:08:56,590 --> 04:09:01,330
Here are some views of the site along Spring Forest Road, Silver ash drive.

2741
04:09:04,640 --> 04:09:09,460
So the applicant is proposing for zoning conditions, the first of which would prohibit certain

2742
04:09:09,460 --> 04:09:09,760
uses.

2743
04:09:10,400 --> 04:09:17,230
The second would limit overall development intensity and that conditions continued on

2744
04:09:17,230 --> 04:09:17,630
this slide.

2745
04:09:20,230 --> 04:09:27,670
It would also prohibit tobacco and or vape shops and require a 20-foot type B protective

2746
04:09:27,670 --> 04:09:32,150
yard along the western and southern property lines for any site plan proposing a non-residential

2747
04:09:32,150 --> 04:09:32,430
use.

2748
04:09:32,430 --> 04:09:42,780
So that's just, this slide is just visualizing that condition showing where that type B buffer

2749
04:09:42,780 --> 04:09:43,500
would apply.

2750
04:09:46,000 --> 04:09:50,700
So the request would represent increase in entitlement for residential office and retail

2751
04:09:50,700 --> 04:09:51,040
uses.

2752
04:09:53,920 --> 04:09:58,580
And overall, the request is consistent with the comprehensive plan and inconsistent with

2753
04:09:58,580 --> 04:09:59,540
the future lane use map.

2754
04:10:00,140 --> 04:10:04,500
It's currently designated as low-scale residential, which calls for residential uses.

2755
04:10:04,500 --> 04:10:06,840
and what they're proposing would be commercial,

2756
04:10:07,160 --> 04:10:08,340
would allow for commercial.

2757
04:10:10,640 --> 04:10:13,000
And staff identified eight consistent policies

2758
04:10:13,000 --> 04:10:15,420
with the requests which are related to compact development,

2759
04:10:16,100 --> 04:10:20,260
mixed use development, housing variety and infill,

2760
04:10:21,760 --> 04:10:23,040
as well as zoning for housing.

2761
04:10:25,100 --> 04:10:27,920
And the three inconsistent policies

2762
04:10:27,920 --> 04:10:31,760
are related to the future lane use map and fire response.

2763
04:10:33,440 --> 04:10:35,320
And because this request is inconsistent

2764
04:10:35,320 --> 04:10:44,240
consistent with the feature lane use map, if it were to be approved, then the map would be amended from low-scale residential to community mix use, which would look like this.

2765
04:10:46,140 --> 04:11:01,420
And just as a reminder, the Planning Commission recommends approval unanimously, noting that the request would allow for increased lane use intensity near an existing commercial node, increased residential entitlement, allow missing middle housing and add to the housing supply.

2766
04:11:02,000 --> 04:11:04,360
Please let me know if you have any questions before you open the public hearing.

2767
04:11:06,360 --> 04:11:06,800
Questions?

2768
04:11:08,120 --> 04:11:10,100
Yeah, I have some transportation questions.

2769
04:11:10,500 --> 04:11:17,760
There is a sidewalk gap on this frontage and there's also, you know, those spots in

2770
04:11:17,760 --> 04:11:23,300
our city where there's more right-of-way dedication, there's more road, and then it next down and

2771
04:11:23,300 --> 04:11:25,500
then comes back because it's no right-of-way.

2772
04:11:25,500 --> 04:11:32,660
has been dedicated here, so I'm just curious what are the circumstances under which we would

2773
04:11:32,660 --> 04:11:38,640
get the sidewalk or get the further right-of-way designation, what road improvements can we

2774
04:11:38,640 --> 04:11:39,640
look for in this case?

2775
04:11:40,100 --> 04:11:41,480
I'll defer my transportation colleagues.

2776
04:11:42,980 --> 04:11:48,580
Good afternoon, Barbara Godman, with transportation, so those public improvements would be required

2777
04:11:48,580 --> 04:11:53,560
by the UDO with submission of a tier 3 site plan or subdivision plan for this site.

2778
04:11:53,560 --> 04:12:01,440
Okay, and for in layman's terms here's a three site plan would be like right now there's a single family home if they rebuild a single family home

2779
04:12:01,440 --> 04:12:06,720
That's not going to get us there, but if they were like an apartment building it would

2780
04:12:06,720 --> 04:12:09,480
Most likely yes, okay. Thank you.

2781
04:12:12,150 --> 04:12:13,270
Any other questions?

2782
04:12:14,290 --> 04:12:20,310
Okay, I will open the public hearing and I have hunter windstead signed up in support

2783
04:12:31,840 --> 04:12:32,900
Thank you Mr. Burns

2784
04:12:32,900 --> 04:12:38,100
Good afternoon, Mayor Cowell, Councilmember Sonner-Winstead, Morningstar Law Group, representing the applicant in this case.

2785
04:12:38,680 --> 04:12:44,340
As with any rezoning case, there's really two questions. One, is the case reasonable, and two, is it in the public interest?

2786
04:12:45,000 --> 04:12:49,480
We believe there are three main reasons why this case is reasonable and in the public interest.

2787
04:12:50,140 --> 04:12:53,940
Reason number one, it's consistent with the comprehensive plan, you can walk through a few of those policies.

2788
04:12:54,620 --> 04:13:01,860
Reason number two, it really takes into account the surrounding context, the built environment that is built around this entire site on all sides.

2789
04:13:01,860 --> 04:13:04,740
and number three, it brings community serving retail

2790
04:13:04,740 --> 04:13:06,800
to an area where there's certainly a demand for it.

2791
04:13:07,720 --> 04:13:09,920
Turning first to comprehensive plan consistency,

2792
04:13:10,120 --> 04:13:12,960
just a few of those key policies listed here

2793
04:13:12,960 --> 04:13:15,700
on the bottom and happy to answer any questions about them.

2794
04:13:15,960 --> 04:13:18,140
The main one to me is this is really infill development

2795
04:13:18,140 --> 04:13:20,220
at its core, as you can see from the aerial,

2796
04:13:20,720 --> 04:13:22,460
again that built environment all the way around the site

2797
04:13:22,460 --> 04:13:25,060
is constructed, but there's a mixed use node

2798
04:13:25,060 --> 04:13:27,140
just to the left here, which is east facing.

2799
04:13:27,580 --> 04:13:29,580
We're facing south here from this aerial view.

2800
04:13:29,580 --> 04:13:36,100
There's an R10, that most intense residential zoning district on the right side, which is our west side.

2801
04:13:36,880 --> 04:13:42,500
Infilt development really add its core, a big piece of that, really a sister policy that comes along with Infilt

2802
04:13:42,500 --> 04:13:48,380
development's councilor Patton mentioned is that connectivity piece. And so here's just an aerial view zoomed in at the

2803
04:13:48,380 --> 04:13:54,060
front of the site showing that sidewalk here on the left side that's existing, and you can see the road is wider there.

2804
04:13:54,060 --> 04:13:59,260
Same thing on the other side, existing sidewalk stubbed to our site where the road is widened.

2805
04:13:59,360 --> 04:14:04,400
And if you're driving down spring-forced road, this would be facing, if you're driving west,

2806
04:14:05,140 --> 04:14:08,420
going toward the Brenda Mayor neighborhood, you'll see how wide the road is right in front

2807
04:14:08,420 --> 04:14:13,220
of our site and how much it narrows in, forcing traffic to really narrow there at our site

2808
04:14:13,220 --> 04:14:13,720
frontage.

2809
04:14:14,880 --> 04:14:18,280
Same thing from the other side, this would be facing east, the road's widened there.

2810
04:14:18,460 --> 04:14:23,720
Here's a cross-section of the four-lane avenue with the median divided, the streetpoint

2811
04:14:23,720 --> 04:14:27,780
designation here, so the transportation staff mentioned, tier three site plan comes through,

2812
04:14:28,260 --> 04:14:32,840
we'd be required to dedicate and construct, to conform to that street plan designation,

2813
04:14:33,240 --> 04:14:37,300
just a quick illustration. Not an engineer drawing, just an illustration, I put together to show

2814
04:14:37,300 --> 04:14:42,100
how that road will be widened there under a tier three site plan, so that's the connectivity piece

2815
04:14:42,100 --> 04:14:47,900
that we think really is. The crux of this case, that was the frontage. Here's the zoomed-in view

2816
04:14:47,900 --> 04:14:52,340
on the eastern boundary of our site. We've got a food line right next to us, amber springs apartments

2817
04:14:53,040 --> 04:14:54,420
But we did it with this slide.

2818
04:14:54,520 --> 04:14:55,300
It's just overlaid.

2819
04:14:55,320 --> 04:14:57,100
Some of those recorded documents were this crossed out.

2820
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:29,840
Stubbed our site that we've got to connect to, that will allow folks that live on the other side of our site to either go up and cross over the new sidewalk on spring forest road or navigate through our site to take advantage of all those uses. This commercial uses that could be on this site as well as a food line and those other uses on the site just next to us. Point number two is this case really takes into account the surrounding context to show in a few of those future land use map designations and what's existing on each of the sites that surround us. Looking to the left.

2821
04:15:29,840 --> 04:15:36,080
this really does integrate with and fill in this last piece of this mixed-use node that's just

2822
04:15:36,080 --> 04:15:41,400
adjacent to us and that policy that's relevant here reinforcing the urban pattern. We're making

2823
04:15:41,400 --> 04:15:45,560
sure that design integrates well and part of that is the connectivity as well with that mixed-use

2824
04:15:45,560 --> 04:15:49,800
node turning to the other side. We've switched directions now our face and north with our residential

2825
04:15:49,800 --> 04:15:54,100
neighborhood over on the other side. A lot of conversation at the neighborhood meetings and we had

2826
04:15:54,100 --> 04:15:59,240
two planning commission meetings about buffering making sure that we really went through and did a deep

2827
04:15:59,240 --> 04:16:03,680
dive on the neighborhood transition provisions here. This illustration shows those three zones

2828
04:16:03,680 --> 04:16:08,680
in the neighborhood transition provisions. What we did is one ahead and committed to for zone

2829
04:16:08,680 --> 04:16:13,960
A, option two, which is a 20-foot planted buffer, and here's that illustration down on the right

2830
04:16:13,960 --> 04:16:17,500
side. To really show we've got that compatibility as folks navigate through our site,

2831
04:16:17,960 --> 04:16:23,240
get to the site on the other side of us that we still have those buffers adjacent to the residential.

2832
04:16:23,740 --> 04:16:27,920
One quick thing to note to on these two stub streets here and here.

2833
04:16:28,600 --> 04:16:33,220
We are right on the crux and require a little bit of engineering when we get into that two or three site plan stages

2834
04:16:33,220 --> 04:16:34,060
to whether we're required.

2835
04:16:34,240 --> 04:16:40,520
The general rule is that we will be required to connect to those given the size of the site on the amount of impervious surfaces.

2836
04:16:40,520 --> 04:16:44,480
As I add, it's kind of an open question from my clients perspective.

2837
04:16:44,600 --> 04:16:48,760
Certainly that if required to do it, we'll absolutely connect those at the site plan stage.

2838
04:16:52,770 --> 04:16:57,150
And then the last piece is really bringing that community serving retail to the site.

2839
04:16:57,150 --> 04:17:01,770
taken a site that currently has one home on it that cannot be accessed or used by the community

2840
04:17:01,770 --> 04:17:05,110
and turn it into something that the folks that live around this area that work around this area

2841
04:17:05,110 --> 04:17:10,830
can actually use. Something that benefits both sides of our site. Just yesterday I went and visited,

2842
04:17:11,410 --> 04:17:15,530
there's three shops over to the north, the south side of the food line here, there's a subway,

2843
04:17:15,730 --> 04:17:23,410
pizza shop, and a barber shop. They're all open on the far side of that site. Adding that density,

2844
04:17:23,410 --> 04:17:28,250
bringing more people to this area will help both the retail uses that are on this site

2845
04:17:28,250 --> 04:17:32,190
and the one adjacent to it. Same thing with the neighborhood that's over on the other

2846
04:17:32,190 --> 04:17:37,550
side of us. It will really have not just neighbors but also services that these folks can use

2847
04:17:37,550 --> 04:17:41,830
both on our site and of course have that connectivity across to get to that food line,

2848
04:17:41,970 --> 04:17:46,790
get to those other shops there really benefiting this entire area. And really the theme there

2849
04:17:46,790 --> 04:17:52,590
is from the LU 6.1 composition that makes you sinners, the idea is really to bring people together

2850
04:17:52,590 --> 04:17:55,690
not to keep folks separated. If you look at this area, you can see the separation between

2851
04:17:55,690 --> 04:17:59,570
the folks that live over to the right side, and all the services that exist on the left

2852
04:17:59,570 --> 04:18:03,370
side, we really see this case as bringing those together and having an integration that

2853
04:18:03,370 --> 04:18:07,930
works well. With that, we would request that the council approve this rezoning and happy

2854
04:18:07,930 --> 04:18:11,150
to answer any questions. Thank you. Questions from Mr. Wens-Dudd?

2855
04:18:13,020 --> 04:18:14,280
Yes. Hi.

2856
04:18:16,460 --> 04:18:20,840
Curious, I feel, do you think that your site will trigger any off-site improvements, like

2857
04:18:20,840 --> 04:18:24,540
For instance, the Primavera apartments on the bottom down here.

2858
04:18:24,740 --> 04:18:28,340
Left is difficult for them to cross the street to access the retail.

2859
04:18:28,720 --> 04:18:35,700
Yes, it would not trigger off-site improvements just given the intensity through the envision analysis the transfer station staff does through the rezoning process.

2860
04:18:36,000 --> 04:18:41,240
And only, it's not off-site, it's our frontage will be dedicated and constructed.

2861
04:18:41,660 --> 04:18:43,100
Nothing down your Primavera.

2862
04:18:43,620 --> 04:18:49,380
Great. I have another question for you, but for staff, I'll just throw it out there so you can prepare it and then tell me in a second.

2863
04:18:49,380 --> 04:18:56,080
I believe there are NCDOT improvements coming to the intersection around Spring Force Road in Lewisburg.

2864
04:18:56,400 --> 04:18:59,240
So I would like to hear about those from staff in a moment.

2865
04:18:59,780 --> 04:19:03,480
But back to you, the street stubs, can you go to that side?

2866
04:19:03,680 --> 04:19:03,820
Yes.

2867
04:19:05,840 --> 04:19:06,420
This one.

2868
04:19:06,880 --> 04:19:07,440
That's fine.

2869
04:19:07,840 --> 04:19:07,920
Yeah.

2870
04:19:08,320 --> 04:19:13,140
Is the Williams primary access point still be on Spring Force Road?

2871
04:19:13,360 --> 04:19:14,200
Yeah, that's the plan.

2872
04:19:14,500 --> 04:19:15,500
It'll still be on Spring Force Road.

2873
04:19:15,500 --> 04:19:21,260
Okay, and so then you're not even sure that you will need to pick up these street steps.

2874
04:19:21,760 --> 04:19:22,560
That's exactly right.

2875
04:19:22,640 --> 04:19:25,540
There's a chance that there might not be a connection requirement there, and you would

2876
04:19:25,540 --> 04:19:29,420
see that buffer that's continuous, but it's not, you know, we'll defer to staff when we get

2877
04:19:29,420 --> 04:19:30,960
through site plan on how that all connects.

2878
04:19:31,380 --> 04:19:36,560
Okay, and do you know yet if you'll any access on spring fours, would that be like a full

2879
04:19:36,560 --> 04:19:38,300
movement or right and right out, do you know?

2880
04:19:38,440 --> 04:19:39,280
We don't know yet.

2881
04:19:39,640 --> 04:19:43,040
There's plan to be immediate in there on the comprehensive plan, so it's potentially right

2882
04:19:43,040 --> 04:19:47,620
I didn't write out only, that's more of a cycling question, as well, which don't know at the stage.

2883
04:19:48,080 --> 04:19:55,520
Okay, great, I might have more feedback for you in a sec, but I'll look for that answer from staff around DOT improvements coming to the interception.

2884
04:20:01,090 --> 04:20:03,290
Good afternoon, again, Barbara Godwin, transportation.

2885
04:20:04,050 --> 04:20:08,610
So yes, there is a planned project to improve the intersection at Spring Forest and

2886
04:20:08,610 --> 04:20:11,550
Loisburg Road, some intersection improvements.

2887
04:20:12,150 --> 04:20:16,250
They're going to be adding audible signals, leading pedestrian intervals and

2888
04:20:16,250 --> 04:20:19,190
and some overall crossing improvements at that intersection.

2889
04:20:19,610 --> 04:20:22,570
So, our vision zero team is working with the state on that project.

2890
04:20:22,570 --> 04:20:26,750
It is funded and delivery is expected within the next three to five years.

2891
04:20:27,410 --> 04:20:27,490
Okay.

2892
04:20:27,930 --> 04:20:28,650
Thank you very much.

2893
04:20:29,290 --> 04:20:29,830
All right.

2894
04:20:30,310 --> 04:20:31,430
We can hear from the others.

2895
04:20:31,930 --> 04:20:32,450
Okay.

2896
04:20:33,730 --> 04:20:36,340
All right.

2897
04:20:36,600 --> 04:20:40,060
So, now we will ask the opposition.

2898
04:20:40,460 --> 04:20:45,820
We have eight minutes for three speakers signed up, David Bender, Scott Ayers, and Robin

2899
04:20:45,820 --> 04:20:46,240
Tatum.

2900
04:20:56,250 --> 04:21:26,110
Hello, City Council, pleasure to be here, I just want to first say thank you for your time in the past, I'm not going to reiterate what I had on the PowerPoint, I do want to make a quick correction, I got off the phone on Friday with State Commissioner Johnson's office of the North Carolina Department of Transportation and they cannot commit to three to five years improvement because it's a federally funded project that would improve a crosswalk at Lewisburg

2901
04:21:27,050 --> 04:21:28,390
and spring forest.

2902
04:21:28,970 --> 04:21:31,410
Since we last spoke, there have been three more rescues

2903
04:21:31,410 --> 04:21:33,370
of seniors from the Primavera apartment

2904
04:21:33,370 --> 04:21:37,950
trying to cross spring forest between the food line.

2905
04:21:38,830 --> 04:21:40,910
And a couple of super quick things.

2906
04:21:42,150 --> 04:21:43,430
Nobody's against housing there.

2907
04:21:43,510 --> 04:21:44,630
In fact, we want housing there.

2908
04:21:46,430 --> 04:21:48,850
The reason it doesn't go with the future land use map

2909
04:21:48,850 --> 04:21:50,830
is it's not in a transportation corridor,

2910
04:21:51,010 --> 04:21:52,950
so transportation isn't gonna be increased.

2911
04:21:53,630 --> 04:21:54,930
We don't know when an intersection,

2912
04:21:54,930 --> 04:22:06,950
when there will be a crosswalk there, and there's clearly a safety issue, and you know it didn't have to be rezoned to commercial mixed use to increase housing density there.

2913
04:22:07,310 --> 04:22:20,970
Not saying it needs to remain an R1, but on a 3.8 acre site, the developer himself has specifically told me that he has no plans to put any housing units there, because it wouldn't be profitable for him.

2914
04:22:20,970 --> 04:22:25,210
If what Hunter is saying is that like this is such a wonderful thing for the neighborhood

2915
04:22:25,210 --> 04:22:29,590
I don't know why the entire neighborhood is pretty much against it. I've provided you with the petition

2916
04:22:29,590 --> 04:22:36,490
It's up to about close to 200 people surrounding the area. There's not one person who's been for it and

2917
04:22:37,630 --> 04:22:39,530
In terms of the character of the neighborhood

2918
04:22:39,530 --> 04:22:45,330
I with all the respect of Mr. Winstead the neighborhood understands its character the character. This was a farm

2919
04:22:45,850 --> 04:22:48,190
And he's saying that it's a classic infill

2920
04:22:48,190 --> 04:22:53,370
It's not a classic infill because it is a budding, it's not surrounded by commercial

2921
04:22:53,370 --> 04:22:53,890
mixed use.

2922
04:22:54,310 --> 04:22:58,650
The commercial mixed use that it's next to is not being developed for commercial mixed

2923
04:22:58,650 --> 04:23:06,370
use because there's a plethora of retail that is not being used now.

2924
04:23:06,570 --> 04:23:14,270
If Mr. Winstead spoke to the retailers at the food line, they would know that they're struggling.

2925
04:23:14,270 --> 04:23:15,690
the pizza place has gone through three

2926
04:23:15,690 --> 04:23:17,750
ono ships in the last eight months.

2927
04:23:19,610 --> 04:23:21,750
And he's saying, well, if we build more,

2928
04:23:22,110 --> 04:23:25,070
these businesses will have better use.

2929
04:23:26,150 --> 04:23:28,470
The Planning Commission did ask that him,

2930
04:23:28,650 --> 04:23:30,350
if he had spoken to the businesses,

2931
04:23:30,650 --> 04:23:32,330
the developer, and he said no.

2932
04:23:34,350 --> 04:23:36,670
And I'm not going to reiterate what I put on there

2933
04:23:36,670 --> 04:23:37,750
with a little bit of sidewalk.

2934
04:23:38,130 --> 04:23:39,650
You still can't cross the street there.

2935
04:23:40,050 --> 04:23:41,370
There's still a safety issue.

2936
04:23:41,370 --> 04:23:43,950
So this isn't bringing together the community,

2937
04:23:44,230 --> 04:23:46,830
is it bringing together the community against this,

2938
04:23:46,910 --> 04:23:47,930
you know, if anything.

2939
04:23:48,690 --> 04:23:51,050
But that's all I'm gonna say.

2940
04:23:51,310 --> 04:23:52,490
See it to the next person.

2941
04:23:56,180 --> 04:23:56,840
Good afternoon.

2942
04:23:57,020 --> 04:23:57,740
I'm redatating.

2943
04:23:58,080 --> 04:24:00,540
I signed up as redatating and I ended up on the...

2944
04:24:00,540 --> 04:24:01,360
Okay, as Robin.

2945
04:24:02,100 --> 04:24:03,520
That's our ex city attorney.

2946
04:24:03,700 --> 04:24:04,240
I was like, I mean.

2947
04:24:05,920 --> 04:24:07,180
We're opposed to this.

2948
04:24:07,640 --> 04:24:09,740
We don't need any more pawn shops,

2949
04:24:10,760 --> 04:24:13,600
car shops, use car dealerships.

2950
04:24:13,600 --> 04:24:18,340
And we already have a plethora of those on the capital of art, triangle mall.

2951
04:24:19,860 --> 04:24:24,680
This is not the standard in Norfield's on Ridge Road areas that I previously lived in.

2952
04:24:24,900 --> 04:24:27,380
We're going to get businesses like we already have.

2953
04:24:27,560 --> 04:24:28,020
We don't know.

2954
04:24:28,300 --> 04:24:29,620
We don't know what's going to be there.

2955
04:24:30,060 --> 04:24:36,360
We have proposed, the proposed site has no traffic control devices, which we've already discussed.

2956
04:24:36,620 --> 04:24:39,560
The community is indeed of additional housing.

2957
04:24:39,940 --> 04:24:41,580
Commercial space is not what we need.

2958
04:24:41,580 --> 04:24:47,560
We know what it looks like a triangle mall up and down spring for so we don't want any more that here

2959
04:24:47,560 --> 04:24:53,140
I can search now and honor them because we will be the ones that paid a price later after the

2960
04:24:54,160 --> 04:24:55,120
developers and

2961
04:24:56,800 --> 04:25:05,160
After the long years ago, we are the ones that would be overpriced and under delivered to so here I cross now and help us by voting

2962
04:25:05,160 --> 04:25:06,160
No, let

2963
04:25:10,130 --> 04:25:13,210
me just got here as I let it 5 5 3 7 silver ash road

2964
04:25:13,210 --> 04:25:18,530
So our property actually shares a border with this property.

2965
04:25:20,670 --> 04:25:25,630
So I would say it's fair to say I represent people on Silver ash drive and the people

2966
04:25:25,630 --> 04:25:31,510
on the other side of the road, nobody's had any compelling desire to have additional

2967
04:25:31,510 --> 04:25:34,150
retail space there.

2968
04:25:35,300 --> 04:25:40,230
If you look at it now, even if the sidewalk went through, there's no, you're going to have

2969
04:25:40,230 --> 04:25:42,230
at the walk way over there, to walk way over there.

2970
04:25:42,310 --> 04:25:43,070
Nobody's gonna do that.

2971
04:25:43,430 --> 04:25:45,330
People walk through the line now and do it for exercise.

2972
04:25:46,290 --> 04:25:50,290
I would also ask for a, you know,

2973
04:25:51,750 --> 04:25:53,270
I live in a residential neighborhood.

2974
04:25:53,450 --> 04:25:54,730
I know if they build commercial,

2975
04:25:55,930 --> 04:25:57,490
immediately everybody in all my neighbors

2976
04:25:57,490 --> 04:25:58,830
will lose value in their property.

2977
04:26:00,130 --> 04:26:02,550
It's a big win for Mr. Moss who'll make a lot of money.

2978
04:26:03,010 --> 04:26:05,570
His high school charm was on the planning commission.

2979
04:26:06,230 --> 04:26:07,470
So that was a nice coincidence.

2980
04:26:07,790 --> 04:26:09,090
Didn't recuse himself.

2981
04:26:09,090 --> 04:26:13,290
But I'd just be curious to see a show of hands among y'all at the table.

2982
04:26:13,770 --> 04:26:18,010
How many of you would like to have a commercial place next door to them

2983
04:26:18,010 --> 04:26:23,730
boarding their property, like maybe a burger king or a car wash or gas station?

2984
04:26:24,910 --> 04:26:27,110
Anybody? I mean, I don't want that.

2985
04:26:27,930 --> 04:26:34,270
And I also would like to point out which is interesting with the talk coming up over the roadstubs.

2986
04:26:35,670 --> 04:26:47,270
We've been in our house for 13 years, and there is a stop because we're at the end of the road, and it goes into protected trees, and there's a barrow that lives there.

2987
04:26:48,130 --> 04:27:00,650
There's drainage issues that are potential as well, but in the last six weeks it's been very interesting that people from the city of Raleigh have come out and decided that they need to do a lot of clearing.

2988
04:27:01,390 --> 04:27:03,730
and be shrubbing and everything at the end of the road

2989
04:27:03,730 --> 04:27:05,190
streb on spring-force road.

2990
04:27:05,790 --> 04:27:10,410
So two timed and six weeks after zero times and 13 years,

2991
04:27:10,830 --> 04:27:13,310
it does make one wonder what's going on.

2992
04:27:14,770 --> 04:27:18,450
But that is, again, nobody is wanting this

2993
04:27:18,450 --> 04:27:22,390
in the neighborhood, there's no compelling use

2994
04:27:23,070 --> 04:27:25,290
or need for retail space there.

2995
04:27:26,170 --> 04:27:28,530
To me, all this is, is a special interest guy

2996
04:27:28,530 --> 04:27:34,270
getting special treatment from his buddy on the planning commission and making a bunch of money.

2997
04:27:34,410 --> 04:27:39,890
He has no plan which if you want to believe that you can but why would you go to all this trouble

2998
04:27:40,830 --> 04:27:45,450
say yeah I need to be retail but yeah I don't really know what I'm going to put there

2999
04:27:46,390 --> 04:27:49,830
doesn't seem very believable at all. That's what I had to say. Thank you.

3000
04:27:49,830 --> 04:27:55,310
Okay, thank you, and we'll go ahead and close the hearing.

3001
04:27:56,770 --> 04:27:57,970
Do we have questions?

3002
04:27:58,590 --> 04:27:59,550
Councillor Patten.

3003
04:28:00,110 --> 04:28:01,030
Please count on me.

3004
04:28:02,310 --> 04:28:03,310
Mr. Winsteadn?

3005
04:28:03,790 --> 04:28:04,610
Those ones will be for you.

3006
04:28:06,910 --> 04:28:13,170
Well, you're walking down, you know, I noted in the staff report in the engagement section

3007
04:28:13,170 --> 04:28:13,630
from this.

3008
04:28:13,930 --> 04:28:17,550
I attended the first neighborhood meeting, I did not, and I was not able to attend the

3009
04:28:17,550 --> 04:28:18,270
second neighborhood meeting.

3010
04:28:18,270 --> 04:28:24,350
But there were discussions of ways in which the kind of screws could be tightened on this case.

3011
04:28:24,350 --> 04:28:29,450
There were some pretty precise things that folks offered that are noted in there,

3012
04:28:29,670 --> 04:28:34,210
like hours of operations, limitations on some of the most intense uses.

3013
04:28:34,450 --> 04:28:39,810
And I say that some are prohibited, but I think more could be done there.

3014
04:28:40,490 --> 04:28:43,370
We saw a case earlier that limited sweepstakes.

3015
04:28:43,370 --> 04:28:54,030
I think we've now heard drive-throughs, car wash, car dealership, some more of the more

3016
04:28:54,030 --> 04:28:56,330
intense uses of an in-the-cx district.

3017
04:28:57,340 --> 04:29:03,350
My feedback would be primarily that I think RX or NX would be a better based district

3018
04:29:03,350 --> 04:29:04,350
for this site.

3019
04:29:04,990 --> 04:29:09,510
I think this council is acting often on a well-documented housing shortage.

3020
04:29:09,510 --> 04:29:26,550
And so bringing us something that produces more housing serves on that goal of the council and we don't have such a well-documented shortage of commercial, not to say that it doesn't exist, but it's not kind of seeping out of our pores in the same way.

3021
04:29:26,970 --> 04:29:32,450
So I do think that a Rx or Nx space district would be more appropriate if your client's not

3022
04:29:32,450 --> 04:29:33,150
amenable to that.

3023
04:29:33,510 --> 04:29:38,490
I certainly think a lot more could be done to reduce the intensity of the uses.

3024
04:29:40,030 --> 04:29:44,930
And so if I'm interested in if you think your client would be amenable to any of those,

3025
04:29:45,230 --> 04:29:48,250
any of that feedback and if you'd be open to holding the case for two weeks.

3026
04:29:48,610 --> 04:29:50,650
Yeah, thank you for that Councilman Pat.

3027
04:29:50,750 --> 04:29:54,490
And I think just to walk through a few of these things, this is a case it was filed in 2025.

3028
04:29:55,770 --> 04:29:56,750
you know what to play in the commission.

3029
04:30:00,600 --> 04:30:07,680
I have a few of the specific ones on the gas station. The intent certainly is not to bring a traditional

3030
04:30:07,680 --> 04:30:13,720
style gas station here. There's one just on the site next to ours here. That one's more to do with

3031
04:30:13,720 --> 04:30:20,080
the definitions of the UDO. So gas station is not the defined use. It'd be vehicle fuel sales. One of

3032
04:30:20,080 --> 04:30:25,240
the things that is incorporated in vehicle fuel sales is like a typical Tesla charger type.

3033
04:30:26,020 --> 04:30:30,080
That's defined as a vehicle fuel sale and so we don't want to foreclose the possibility

3034
04:30:30,080 --> 04:30:35,680
of having a potential mixed use building here with a potential vehicle fuel charging facility.

3035
04:30:36,240 --> 04:30:39,620
So that one's less to do with the possibility of bringing a gas station here.

3036
04:30:39,660 --> 04:30:43,160
I think it's unlikely given the market conditions, given the fact that there's one just next

3037
04:30:43,160 --> 04:30:43,460
door.

3038
04:30:43,620 --> 04:30:47,760
It's really about those definitions and certainly had a lot of that conversation through

3039
04:30:47,760 --> 04:30:50,160
the two neighborhood meetings and a planning commission as well.

3040
04:30:50,960 --> 04:30:54,720
On the hours of operation portion, there's a good amount of that built into these neighborhood

3041
04:30:54,720 --> 04:30:56,080
transition provisions already.

3042
04:30:56,900 --> 04:30:59,820
ZOMB has a few provisions related to restaurants,

3043
04:31:00,060 --> 04:31:01,700
Atlas of Operation for Outdoor Seating.

3044
04:31:02,380 --> 04:31:04,860
We're relying largely on what the code is already

3045
04:31:04,860 --> 04:31:06,920
contemplated for this type of situation,

3046
04:31:07,480 --> 04:31:08,780
where there's a mixed use district,

3047
04:31:09,100 --> 04:31:10,560
next to a residential use district,

3048
04:31:10,560 --> 04:31:12,460
a truly reason for that one.

3049
04:31:12,600 --> 04:31:13,980
And then drive through, the other one,

3050
04:31:15,400 --> 04:31:18,320
there's near my house, a VIX, the Italian restaurant

3051
04:31:18,320 --> 04:31:20,600
that's over in city market is bringing a drive through

3052
04:31:20,600 --> 04:31:22,180
concept we can go pick up.

3053
04:31:22,240 --> 04:31:23,940
It's not traditional drive through,

3054
04:31:24,340 --> 04:31:27,460
but a potential to, you know, pick up pizza, pick up Italian food there.

3055
04:31:27,920 --> 04:31:30,580
We certainly don't want to foreclose the possibility of having that sort of

3056
04:31:30,580 --> 04:31:33,640
tuning in. The idea is to have a suite of uses that can attract the right

3057
04:31:33,640 --> 04:31:38,680
tenant here to serve the community. With that, again, we're happy to listen to the

3058
04:31:38,680 --> 04:31:42,260
will of the commission. And if that requires, you know, modifying, making

3059
04:31:42,260 --> 04:31:45,620
modifications, of course, happy to do that. We also believe this is a case that's

3060
04:31:45,620 --> 04:31:48,760
relatively old that's gone through a lot of analysis, a good amount of work, one

3061
04:31:48,760 --> 04:31:52,380
to making sure these conditions really were mitigating any impacts that we see.

3062
04:31:52,380 --> 04:31:55,440
to ensure we have that compatibility with the surrounding area.

3063
04:31:56,060 --> 04:31:56,600
Thank you.

3064
04:31:57,480 --> 04:31:58,260
I hope that answers.

3065
04:31:59,240 --> 04:32:00,580
Sure, it does speak to them.

3066
04:32:00,980 --> 04:32:07,260
I wouldn't be prepared to vote in favor of this case and tell some of those modifications were made,

3067
04:32:07,380 --> 04:32:09,680
but certainly the will of the body.

3068
04:32:09,820 --> 04:32:16,820
And my preference would be to hold it open for two weeks or four if you need them to get those modifications made.

3069
04:32:16,900 --> 04:32:20,500
Why don't I reopen and we can, if you want to make that motion, to just hold it up?

3070
04:32:20,500 --> 04:32:24,520
Can I also add a question, yes, Mr. Winstead?

3071
04:32:25,040 --> 04:32:28,260
So just tell us again, what is the plan here?

3072
04:32:29,100 --> 04:32:33,240
Yeah, so it's largely dependent on what tenants find this site attractive.

3073
04:32:33,280 --> 04:32:34,520
We don't have a specific site plan.

3074
04:32:34,620 --> 04:32:36,180
We don't have a specific tenant in mind.

3075
04:32:37,200 --> 04:32:41,680
The idea is to attract tenants with commercial mix to use to have that ability to bring the

3076
04:32:41,680 --> 04:32:42,340
right tenant here.

3077
04:32:42,960 --> 04:32:43,060
Okay.

3078
04:32:43,440 --> 04:32:44,680
So it's not a specific plan.

3079
04:32:44,900 --> 04:32:45,280
That helps.

3080
04:32:45,440 --> 04:32:49,640
I think the concern at least for me is that the future land use is saying low-scale residential.

3081
04:32:49,640 --> 04:32:56,140
this is R1 and so this is a big step up from that and so can we get to a more kind of call

3082
04:32:56,140 --> 04:33:00,760
a transition to what comes next and if you could put a gas station here even though it's

3083
04:33:00,760 --> 04:33:04,800
maybe doesn't make sense because of gas station next door and it seems like there's a lot

3084
04:33:04,800 --> 04:33:09,120
that you could be doing to give the neighbors some confidence this is something they want

3085
04:33:09,120 --> 04:33:12,880
right next door. So yeah I definitely would support councilmember Patton.

3086
04:33:13,460 --> 04:33:14,920
Okay so I'm going to reopen the.

3087
04:33:18,620 --> 04:33:21,100
Just checking if we hold it for two weeks you have to have

3088
04:33:21,100 --> 04:33:27,240
Your new conditions in by Friday, is that enough time for you, Mr. Winston, or do you need four weeks?

3089
04:33:28,000 --> 04:33:29,180
I think, yeah, I think we can do.

3090
04:33:29,380 --> 04:33:30,180
You can do it, okay.

3091
04:33:30,880 --> 04:33:36,660
So in that case, then I will move to hold this case open until the afternoon of September 1st.

3092
04:33:38,820 --> 04:33:40,180
All in favor of that motion, aye.

3093
04:33:41,180 --> 04:33:41,620
All opposed?

3094
04:33:41,940 --> 04:33:44,280
That is unanimous, and thank you.

3095
04:33:46,280 --> 04:33:46,580
All right?

3096
04:33:46,580 --> 04:33:54,260
Next is petition annexation AX-4425, and that is Leaseville Road.

3097
04:33:56,410 --> 04:33:58,630
Good afternoon, again, City Council members.

3098
04:33:59,430 --> 04:34:05,570
So this annexation AX-4425 and rezoning Z-5425 are together.

3099
04:34:05,970 --> 04:34:12,350
Just a reminder that you will need to act on the annexation before you can act on the rezoning portion.

3100
04:34:12,350 --> 04:34:27,890
And the reason for that is that one of the parcels and consideration here is in Wake County and two of the other parcels are in Durham County and are eligible to be annexed into the City of Raleigh by agreement with Durham.

3101
04:34:28,950 --> 04:34:34,170
So we're looking at about 15 acres in Wake County and 17 acres in Durham County.

3102
04:34:35,290 --> 04:34:40,410
The applicant does not have an associated site plan with this annexation rezoning but is

3103
04:34:40,410 --> 04:34:45,170
indicated apartment units, 324 apartment units on their annexation petition.

3104
04:34:45,990 --> 04:34:51,710
And the site is outside of the standards for a full fire response.

3105
04:34:53,370 --> 04:34:58,990
Moving on to the rezoning portion, so this site is in northwest Raleigh.

3106
04:34:58,990 --> 04:35:05,330
Again, three parcels that are just under 32 acres that would be re-zoned from a combination

3107
04:35:05,330 --> 04:35:10,950
of districts, including City of Raleigh, industrial, mixed use, three stories, Parkway Frontage,

3108
04:35:11,250 --> 04:35:15,290
with airport overlay districts, and the special highway overlay districts.

3109
04:35:16,330 --> 04:35:22,810
Durham Row Residential with one of Durham's airport overlays, and Durham Row Residential

3110
04:35:22,810 --> 04:35:29,370
with two of Durham's airport overlays to City of Raleigh, Office Mixed Use, four stories,

3111
04:35:29,870 --> 04:35:34,810
parking limited frontage with conditions, and Office Mixed Use, four stories with conditions.

3112
04:35:35,530 --> 04:35:41,530
I realize there's a lot of zoning going on here, so I've got a couple slides dedicated to sort

3113
04:35:41,530 --> 04:35:48,150
of depicting what's going on. The request is consistent overall with the 23rd of the plan,

3114
04:35:48,150 --> 04:35:56,090
and consistent with the future lane use map and consistent with the urban form map and the planning commission recommends unanimous approval.

3115
04:35:58,450 --> 04:36:02,130
So just so you all can see what's going on with the jurisdiction and zoning here.

3116
04:36:02,390 --> 04:36:07,770
The purple parcel on the southeast to the right on the map is in Wake County.

3117
04:36:08,230 --> 04:36:13,510
It has in Raleigh's ETJ and that's the one that's industrially zoned with that airport overlay.

3118
04:36:13,510 --> 04:36:19,350
Okay, now the two parcels in the yellow with the hatching, those are both in Durham County

3119
04:36:19,350 --> 04:36:27,890
outside of Raleigh's ETJ and both zone Durham Royal Residential with two of Durham's

3120
04:36:27,890 --> 04:36:33,320
airport overlays, just another slide showing what that looks like.

3121
04:36:37,630 --> 04:36:45,930
So on this slide, note the Durham and Wake County line that kind of splits this site

3122
04:36:45,930 --> 04:36:52,850
in half. Nearby uses include moderate-scale residential to the north of the site, and

3123
04:36:52,850 --> 04:36:57,710
the swing, racket, and paddle facility, future recreational to the southwest of the site,

3124
04:36:59,220 --> 04:37:05,090
private open space, and low-scale residential uses to the east, and industrial uses to

3125
04:37:05,090 --> 04:37:06,790
the south along ACC Boulevard.

3126
04:37:11,120 --> 04:37:14,480
And here are some views of the site from Shady Grove, Lee's

3127
04:37:14,480 --> 04:37:16,420
bill and ACC bill of art.

3128
04:37:19,490 --> 04:37:26,890
So the applicant is proposing five zoning conditions which would require any plots

3129
04:37:26,890 --> 04:37:33,590
to disclose noise contours, require an navigation easement, granting the RU airport authority

3130
04:37:33,590 --> 04:37:38,370
professional right of flight over the site, and require residential dwellings to be built

3131
04:37:38,370 --> 04:37:40,350
with noise attenuating materials.

3132
04:37:40,830 --> 04:37:46,390
Those are three conditions that were added in response to comments by the RU airport

3133
04:37:46,390 --> 04:37:54,390
authority. They are also proposing a block perimeter exemption in this area and to limit

3134
04:37:54,390 --> 04:37:58,630
overall development intensities and combinations of uses on the property.

3135
04:38:03,380 --> 04:38:05,340
So the request would

3136
04:38:05,340 --> 04:38:11,080
allow increased height, allow additional building types on the Durham County properties and require

3137
04:38:11,080 --> 04:38:14,100
parking limited frontage on the Wake County property.

3138
04:38:16,820 --> 04:38:18,780
And overall it would increase entitlement

3139
04:38:18,780 --> 04:38:24,640
for residential and office uses, it would allow a similar amount of retail and significantly

3140
04:38:24,640 --> 04:38:26,420
reduce industrial entitlement.

3141
04:38:30,740 --> 04:38:35,560
So just to recap, consistency, the request is consistent with the COMP plan and consistent

3142
04:38:35,560 --> 04:38:40,460
overall with the future land use map, specifically the office research and development and business

3143
04:38:40,460 --> 04:38:47,910
and commercial services categories, and is consistent with the urban format and consistent

3144
04:38:47,910 --> 04:38:54,970
In addition, policies are related to compact development, location of growth, annexation

3145
04:38:54,970 --> 04:39:01,150
agreements, development agreements, mitigating the impacts of commercial development, the scale

3146
04:39:01,150 --> 04:39:06,190
of commercial uses, airport noise, housing variety, opportunity and choice,

3147
04:39:08,410 --> 04:39:09,290
and inconsistent

3148
04:39:09,290 --> 04:39:15,370
policies are related to the future lane use, conditional use, district consistency related

3149
04:39:15,370 --> 04:39:20,490
related to that block permanent exemption, infrastructure and response time standards,

3150
04:39:21,150 --> 04:39:26,150
and transportation policy is related to connectivity and gaps as well as the airport overlay.

3151
04:39:27,610 --> 04:39:32,210
And since this request is inconsistent with the future lane use map, it approval would

3152
04:39:32,210 --> 04:39:38,930
result in an amendment from business conversion services and office and research and development

3153
04:39:38,930 --> 04:39:41,710
to office and residential mixed use.

3154
04:39:43,450 --> 04:39:47,110
and planning commission recommends approval, noting the request would add to the housing

3155
04:39:47,110 --> 04:39:51,970
supply, allow more building types, and allow for residential in an area anticipated for

3156
04:39:51,970 --> 04:39:55,530
Raleigh's future growth. Please let me know if you have any questions before you open the

3157
04:39:55,530 --> 04:39:58,850
public hearing. Questions? Yes, Councillor Jones.

3158
04:40:00,370 --> 04:40:06,330
I have a few. Since we're on the annexation, I want to pull up the fiscal impact report

3159
04:40:06,330 --> 04:40:09,990
because it's something that I look at and I'm really confused by this one because it goes

3160
04:40:09,990 --> 04:40:14,770
up really high for a few years and then it dramatically goes down to negative

3161
04:40:14,770 --> 04:40:20,130
202,000 by year 10 and I just like to understand that better and see if you can

3162
04:40:20,130 --> 04:40:25,330
help me make sense of that chart. Yes, I would call my colleagues in finance to

3163
04:40:25,330 --> 04:40:27,670
speak to the financial impact analysis.

3164
04:40:32,380 --> 04:40:33,980
Allison Bradshaw with Finance, good

3165
04:40:33,980 --> 04:40:39,560
afternoon. Yeah, this is an interesting one because it's 31 acres. There's the

3166
04:40:39,560 --> 04:40:46,580
annexation piece and then there's the rezoning. So when we do the fiscal impact, we don't do it on the rezoning, right?

3167
04:40:46,840 --> 04:40:54,380
There's not a fiscal impact on the rezoning. So when you look at what is being considered on those 31 acres, you know,

3168
04:40:54,520 --> 04:41:02,800
it's a big swat of land and we apply the cost on a per-acre basis. And so a lot of costs get mounted on

3169
04:41:02,800 --> 04:41:06,260
and the fact that it's a multifamily home,

3170
04:41:06,680 --> 04:41:08,700
I'm sorry multifamily complex,

3171
04:41:09,060 --> 04:41:12,060
those typically have a lower assessed value

3172
04:41:12,060 --> 04:41:13,640
than like single family homes.

3173
04:41:14,200 --> 04:41:16,160
So it's really just a math,

3174
04:41:16,420 --> 04:41:20,180
but it's predominantly because it's on such a large acre.

3175
04:41:20,840 --> 04:41:24,740
But why does it go up to upwards of 839,000

3176
04:41:24,740 --> 04:41:26,440
to begin with and then drastically?

3177
04:41:26,880 --> 04:41:28,940
Like why does it go up at all that high?

3178
04:41:28,940 --> 04:41:33,880
I think it's the timing of when, sorry, let me pull this up.

3179
04:41:33,980 --> 04:41:35,920
I don't know if I can pull it up on the screen.

3180
04:41:47,620 --> 04:41:47,880
Yes.

3181
04:41:48,100 --> 04:41:54,480
I think early on the cost get applied in the out years after the build out has happened.

3182
04:41:55,160 --> 04:42:00,980
So in those beginning years, if you look, we're collecting the revenue from it being built out

3183
04:42:00,980 --> 04:42:04,400
and then the cost get applied after the build out occurs.

3184
04:42:04,400 --> 04:42:11,720
So the costs don't actually start in this example till year three, based on the build-out schedule that was provided.

3185
04:42:12,240 --> 04:42:20,120
And so then those cost mount, and again, because it's almost 32 acres, that's a lot of costs that's being allocated.

3186
04:42:20,380 --> 04:42:28,220
Now we know with the rezoning as a part of this, that's going to have commercial and all of that, and that's not included in this assessment.

3187
04:42:29,100 --> 04:42:29,340
Okay.

3188
04:42:29,800 --> 04:42:31,420
Okay, thank you for that.

3189
04:42:32,160 --> 04:42:37,990
My next question is for fire, not sure if we have something from the area.

3190
04:42:39,050 --> 04:42:43,270
Right here in the backup, we see that five out of six of the fire stations are out

3191
04:42:43,270 --> 04:42:48,850
of NFPA standards and I was wondering if the firemaster plan addresses any of these concerns

3192
04:42:48,850 --> 04:42:53,310
in this area of town because I know in exclations in this area we are consistently fighting

3193
04:42:53,310 --> 04:42:59,770
the times are not adequate and there are always in the backup material here saying we don't

3194
04:42:59,770 --> 04:43:00,150
have enough.

3195
04:43:00,150 --> 04:43:02,190
Good afternoon, Herbert Griffin, our fire chief.

3196
04:43:02,770 --> 04:43:06,330
And Liza Eraday is not addressed in the firemaster plan.

3197
04:43:09,250 --> 04:43:10,210
Thank you, thank you.

3198
04:43:10,510 --> 04:43:15,270
And then my next question is for track transportation.

3199
04:43:16,610 --> 04:43:22,570
We saw in there the block perimeter condition.

3200
04:43:23,230 --> 04:43:29,490
And I had spoken with, we met before, did this address the concerns that we discussed on

3201
04:43:29,490 --> 04:43:31,830
our meeting prior because I'm getting a little bit confused.

3202
04:43:31,830 --> 04:43:36,750
I know we talked about block perimeter, but the way that I read it, and please forgive

3203
04:43:36,750 --> 04:43:42,350
me if I'm wrong, is that this could be addressed in after the approval phase and that there

3204
04:43:42,350 --> 04:43:47,850
could be eligible for an exemption, but this would be asking them to make that decision

3205
04:43:47,850 --> 04:43:52,990
now before you guys had the time to look at the site plans since you don't have it at this

3206
04:43:52,990 --> 04:43:53,250
moment.

3207
04:43:53,630 --> 04:43:55,570
Does this condition address that concern?

3208
04:43:56,330 --> 04:43:58,310
So, good evening, everyone.

3209
04:43:58,650 --> 04:44:00,190
Carter, over some with transportation.

3210
04:44:00,630 --> 04:44:04,490
This condition is the same as before we had that conversation.

3211
04:44:05,290 --> 04:44:07,370
It is a little confusing to read.

3212
04:44:07,590 --> 04:44:11,230
It doesn't look the same as some of the other block perimeter conditions

3213
04:44:11,230 --> 04:44:12,530
we've seen before.

3214
04:44:13,210 --> 04:44:19,090
Effectively, what it is saying is once the TW Alexander extension is built,

3215
04:44:19,690 --> 04:44:22,110
this is what the block will look like north of it,

3216
04:44:22,370 --> 04:44:24,810
and this is what the block will look like south of it.

3217
04:44:24,810 --> 04:44:38,590
And so it establishes those standards why we're calling it an exemption is because those new values are basically just outlining what the what the block already is.

3218
04:44:38,990 --> 04:44:48,650
So in effect that takes away our ability to apply any block perimeter standards at the site plan base.

3219
04:44:48,650 --> 04:44:57,090
So this is an area where the street grid is underdeveloped, we have these large blocks with only a few rows.

3220
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:28,560
And so our tools to combat that are going to be the street plan and block perimeter. So there's a street plan segment on this site, but the condition would really take away that second tool from us. Right. And the TW Alexander extension that these would these words would be connecting to. Is that currently or has plans to be funded? Is that a funded project, even though it's in the plans? No, ma'am. There are no.

3221
04:45:28,560 --> 04:45:42,940
So, funds or designs associated with that right now, it's just a long-term line on the map that would likely be developed piece by piece's development comes through.

3222
04:45:43,320 --> 04:45:47,820
So, with developments like this, making that final connection.

3223
04:45:48,480 --> 04:45:49,860
Okay, thank you so much.

3224
04:45:49,860 --> 04:45:52,860
Can I have a question while we're there.

3225
04:45:53,700 --> 04:46:06,080
So if this is dependent upon Alexander being built, what's in place in Tillman, like what

3226
04:46:06,080 --> 04:46:12,640
are the requirements until Alexander, because Alexander's probably ten years out waiting

3227
04:46:12,640 --> 04:46:13,220
on Campo.

3228
04:46:13,880 --> 04:46:14,040
Right.

3229
04:46:14,600 --> 04:46:14,880
Yes.

3230
04:46:15,600 --> 04:46:15,800
So.

3231
04:46:18,780 --> 04:46:22,800
How we would look at this, I'll kind of draw out.

3232
04:46:22,800 --> 04:46:30,300
Well, what we, what the condition says, so it says north of TW Alexander will be 7,000

3233
04:46:30,300 --> 04:46:30,520
feet.

3234
04:46:30,680 --> 04:46:31,980
That's this triangle right here.

3235
04:46:33,440 --> 04:46:39,120
And so, and then south of that, it says it will be 40,000 feet.

3236
04:46:39,740 --> 04:46:42,680
I'm not going to draw that because it's really funky looking.

3237
04:46:42,940 --> 04:46:50,180
And I would just say that there's not a block there, but absent of this TW Alexander connection,

3238
04:46:50,180 --> 04:47:02,270
how we would look at this is, so I'm really looking at two different parts of the site.

3239
04:47:02,530 --> 04:47:04,610
We have this floodway going through.

3240
04:47:05,370 --> 04:47:11,490
Normally we wouldn't make calls on exemptions before site plan happens, but this really

3241
04:47:11,490 --> 04:47:18,390
takes up a large portion of the site, so that's going to be kind of dead any crosses right

3242
04:47:18,390 --> 04:47:18,670
there.

3243
04:47:18,670 --> 04:47:31,030
So really we're looking right here, and so what the condition language establishes is it's a south of this future connection, it shall be 40,000 square feet.

3244
04:47:31,750 --> 04:47:40,030
We wouldn't be able to require a road like this because that would create two new blocks south of TW Alexander.

3245
04:47:40,730 --> 04:47:41,890
Does that make sense?

3246
04:47:42,890 --> 04:47:44,030
Yeah, it does.

3247
04:47:44,270 --> 04:47:50,790
So basically, if what I'm understanding is correctly is without TW Alexander, you wouldn't

3248
04:47:50,790 --> 04:47:53,470
require that public street.

3249
04:47:56,000 --> 04:48:02,660
Well, I think the condition it references TW Alexander, but it's not contingent upon

3250
04:48:02,660 --> 04:48:03,940
whether it's built or not.

3251
04:48:04,300 --> 04:48:04,500
Okay.

3252
04:48:04,740 --> 04:48:07,320
It just says north and south of the extension.

3253
04:48:17,880 --> 04:48:23,720
Open the hearing for the annexation, I know we've got zoning two, so but I'll take them

3254
04:48:23,720 --> 04:48:24,420
one at a time.

3255
04:48:25,000 --> 04:48:31,320
And I have Molly Stewart, Rob Coddell, Daniel Whiteley, Brandy Vega, Frank Taddle, and

3256
04:48:31,320 --> 04:48:32,540
Ryan L. Stevenson.

3257
04:48:45,720 --> 04:48:46,120
Thank you.

3258
04:48:46,320 --> 04:48:48,420
Good afternoon, Molly Stewart, Morningstar Law Group.

3259
04:48:48,920 --> 04:48:53,780
You just heard the team that I have with me today, Frank Taddell from the Oak Creek Residential,

3260
04:48:54,280 --> 04:48:59,140
Brandy Vega and Rob Coddell from Withers Ravenel on the design side, as well as Brian L.

3261
04:48:59,140 --> 04:49:03,180
Stevenson of DRMP, our traffic engineer, in case you have any questions for them.

3262
04:49:03,680 --> 04:49:06,940
I do have two separate presentations today and for the annexation piece.

3263
04:49:07,320 --> 04:49:10,120
I'll focus on some context for the area.

3264
04:49:10,900 --> 04:49:14,980
Block perimeter in particular, I will be focusing on during the second presentation.

3265
04:49:15,520 --> 04:49:19,900
But for some background, the site is there in the bottom of your screen in blue.

3266
04:49:20,620 --> 04:49:24,080
And the important pieces on the screen are up in the top left.

3267
04:49:24,200 --> 04:49:26,300
That's our airport on the other side of 540.

3268
04:49:26,300 --> 04:49:32,040
In between the site and the airport, you see the ACC Boulevard industrial park, mostly

3269
04:49:32,040 --> 04:49:33,200
we're housing and distribution.

3270
04:49:33,820 --> 04:49:38,220
You also see the swing racket and paddle site immediately adjacent to the site as well

3271
04:49:38,220 --> 04:49:42,020
as the proposed TW Alexander drive extension coming across the site.

3272
04:49:42,600 --> 04:49:45,260
And then of course at the top of your screen we have Briar Creek.

3273
04:49:47,520 --> 04:49:52,040
To zoom out even further, everything you see highlighted in red is urbanized area.

3274
04:49:52,260 --> 04:49:56,960
So although the site is on the edge of Raleigh, it is not on the edge of urbanized area.

3275
04:49:56,960 --> 04:50:02,660
and although it may look like there's sort of a rural center there to the

3276
04:50:02,660 --> 04:50:07,080
donut, let's take a closer look at that. Right across the street is page farms

3277
04:50:07,080 --> 04:50:12,540
and that is an agritourism use with the strawberries and the pumpkins. Pump

3278
04:50:12,540 --> 04:50:16,780
and patch there immediately to the site to the south of the site is swing

3279
04:50:16,780 --> 04:50:21,740
racket and paddle. I know you're very familiar with that site as well and then to

3280
04:50:21,740 --> 04:50:25,200
to the north, we have the Mulberry Park townhome community.

3281
04:50:26,420 --> 04:50:30,320
To the southeast, that's that ACC Boulevard industrial park.

3282
04:50:33,740 --> 04:50:37,340
So to simplify, as you saw, there are many, many layers and moving parts going on.

3283
04:50:37,540 --> 04:50:42,740
But if we just look at use, the big purple and yellow chunks here are that existing zoning.

3284
04:50:42,940 --> 04:50:48,160
So we have on the eastern portion the industrial mixed use zoning, and in fact ACC Boulevard

3285
04:50:48,160 --> 04:50:53,500
stubs into that piece of the site, so really intended to continue that industrial park there.

3286
04:50:53,500 --> 04:50:56,820
with the yellow being the Durham County rural residential.

3287
04:50:57,100 --> 04:50:59,540
So large lot estate homes in that area

3288
04:51:00,010 --> 04:51:02,700
would be what would qualify under current zoning

3289
04:51:02,700 --> 04:51:04,580
in both of those contexts.

3290
04:51:05,420 --> 04:51:08,920
Now, as swing develops, I understand there was some concern

3291
04:51:08,920 --> 04:51:12,060
about having especially that industrial use extended

3292
04:51:12,060 --> 04:51:14,220
and looking really for residents

3293
04:51:14,220 --> 04:51:16,860
to live nearby and to support swing.

3294
04:51:18,040 --> 04:51:19,340
And if we zoom out even further,

3295
04:51:19,500 --> 04:51:21,460
we see a city growth center in this part of town.

3296
04:51:21,460 --> 04:51:24,900
I put the circle there so you can see where the site is.

3297
04:51:25,040 --> 04:51:29,200
There's a little chunk out of it where it crosses over in Durham County, but a portion

3298
04:51:29,200 --> 04:51:34,360
of the site is in that city growth center, which generally calls for infill development

3299
04:51:34,880 --> 04:51:41,120
in that area, which is the proposal being brought to you today for that apartment community

3300
04:51:41,120 --> 04:51:41,740
that you heard.

3301
04:51:41,960 --> 04:51:47,160
Staff describe, and as I mentioned, with the idea that not only does the support swing, but

3302
04:51:47,160 --> 04:51:51,760
swing supports this residential use as well so providing that opportunity for residents

3303
04:51:51,760 --> 04:51:54,580
to live immediately adjacent to swing and walkable to swing.

3304
04:51:55,000 --> 04:51:55,660
Thank you.

3305
04:51:57,620 --> 04:51:57,920
Okay.

3306
04:51:59,990 --> 04:52:00,710
Any questions?

3307
04:52:02,070 --> 04:52:02,970
Let's do it.

3308
04:52:04,410 --> 04:52:05,070
Okay.

3309
04:52:05,470 --> 04:52:08,690
We will go ahead and we have one person signed up in opposition.

3310
04:52:09,130 --> 04:52:10,030
Tammy Spellman?

3311
04:52:19,880 --> 04:52:20,580
Good afternoon.

3312
04:52:21,340 --> 04:52:22,180
Appreciate it.

3313
04:52:22,240 --> 04:52:25,820
You may opportunity to talk about the community opposition to this rezoning area.

3314
04:52:26,480 --> 04:52:30,080
I'm going to change my slides here a little bit and start at the be ending.

3315
04:52:31,320 --> 04:52:35,880
As was just mentioned, talking about this kind of looking like it's in the middle of

3316
04:52:35,880 --> 04:52:38,540
nowhere and it actually is in the middle of nowhere.

3317
04:52:39,140 --> 04:52:42,920
This is coming from ACC Boulevard, coming from Briar Creek.

3318
04:52:43,500 --> 04:52:47,620
You can see that it is not residential, it is not people friendly.

3319
04:52:48,120 --> 04:52:52,880
This is a left hand turn on the Mount Herman Road, which then turns into Shady Grove Road

3320
04:52:52,880 --> 04:52:54,780
once it becomes Durham County.

3321
04:52:54,780 --> 04:52:58,820
There's all industrial to the right, it's all single family.

3322
04:52:59,160 --> 04:53:06,020
We just feel a four-story apartment complex is completely out of the landscape, completely inconsistent with this area.

3323
04:53:06,440 --> 04:53:16,460
It's a very narrow road, it's very unsafe for walking, for jogging, for biking, for anything other than, as mentioned, maybe walking to swing.

3324
04:53:17,040 --> 04:53:19,520
That's the only thing you've got other than a car.

3325
04:53:19,520 --> 04:53:30,260
and the one area that we also have a DOT salt barn here and where the area is is this area here,

3326
04:53:30,360 --> 04:53:34,740
which is where you can see the cell tower. We have been informed that the cell tower will remain,

3327
04:53:35,240 --> 04:53:40,400
so where you see all these wonderful mature trees, you will now see a four-story apartment complex.

3328
04:53:41,360 --> 04:53:47,000
And as mentioned right across the road from this is our wonderful community farm of page farms.

3329
04:53:47,000 --> 04:53:52,640
and so they wake up every morning with the sun rises, farmers do look out and they've got a

3330
04:53:52,640 --> 04:53:59,360
four-story apartment complex across from them. We just feel that's very inconsistent. So coming back up,

3331
04:54:00,920 --> 04:54:06,120
talking about it's not walkable. So sometimes when you think of apartments, you think about the

3332
04:54:06,120 --> 04:54:13,320
ability to get places, the closest bus stop is a mile and a half, mile 0.2 away, 25-minute walk,

3333
04:54:13,320 --> 04:54:17,220
And as I just showed you, it's not a safe walk, you can't walk that.

3334
04:54:17,600 --> 04:54:19,960
So this is 100% car dependent.

3335
04:54:21,260 --> 04:54:25,640
And with that, while also mentioning that within two and a half miles, there's already

3336
04:54:25,640 --> 04:54:29,600
over 10 apartment complexes and they are very person friendly.

3337
04:54:29,960 --> 04:54:32,380
They are within walking distance to Breyer Creek.

3338
04:54:32,760 --> 04:54:35,320
They are within walking distance to the bus lines.

3339
04:54:35,860 --> 04:54:42,520
So this area up here in the red X just feels like it's just, it's not an expansion of the

3340
04:54:42,520 --> 04:54:49,140
city of Raleigh, it's plopped. I mean, it's just stuck there. It's not consistent in any way.

3341
04:54:50,620 --> 04:54:55,900
One of the biggest concerns of the local area is traffic concerns, and I know you've talked a

3342
04:54:55,900 --> 04:55:01,360
little bit. You asked some questions on DOT. What we've heard from the developers, the Reprimary,

3343
04:55:02,020 --> 04:55:06,600
development for this first phase is for those 10 acres that are on the Durham County side.

3344
04:55:11,980 --> 04:55:12,500
And so

3345
04:55:12,500 --> 04:55:19,720
by 95 cars. You're taking a 10-acre residential that has one home on a, with two, maybe three

3346
04:55:19,720 --> 04:55:27,240
cars, and you're going to build a 324-4-storey unit apartment complex on it. So, even conservative

3347
04:55:27,240 --> 04:55:33,640
math, you're adding 400 vehicle trips during peak hours. And this road just cannot handle it.

3348
04:55:34,060 --> 04:55:40,660
There definitely has to be a traffic impact study. A lot of this is going to feed into, into

3349
04:55:40,660 --> 04:55:45,880
to Briar Creek, trying to go left to get on to 540, which if you've ever tried to travel

3350
04:55:45,880 --> 04:55:53,820
that, it's ridiculous. There is some, you know, work in the process. You guys mentioned

3351
04:55:53,820 --> 04:55:58,700
TW Alexander. I've lived in the area for 20 years. I have neighbors who've lived there

3352
04:55:58,700 --> 04:56:06,400
for 30 years. TW Alexander has been talked about that entire time. So TW Alexander is not

3353
04:56:06,400 --> 04:56:17,840
happening anytime soon to support this complex. It's even on the NCDOT 2026-2027-STIP.

3354
04:56:18,300 --> 04:56:23,240
It's not even mentioned as being on the slate for consideration of future developments

3355
04:56:23,240 --> 04:56:28,260
asking for input. Waterway concerns, as they mentioned,

3356
04:56:28,500 --> 04:56:32,360
Sycamore Creek does flow through that area. They have talked about that. They will not

3357
04:56:32,360 --> 04:56:37,980
across Sycamore Creek, what we, on the other side of Lee'sville Road in Darling Street,

3358
04:56:38,180 --> 04:56:43,100
Sycamore Road are also concerned about is the little creek that nobody's talking about.

3359
04:56:43,540 --> 04:56:46,800
We just had that micro-burst in the Lee'sville area, that flooded.

3360
04:56:47,160 --> 04:56:50,100
It has flooded five, six times in the years I've lived there.

3361
04:56:50,940 --> 04:56:56,000
The infrastructure of the roads does not support this additional travel.

3362
04:56:57,180 --> 04:57:00,600
You also heard from the fire departments, so I just mentioned it here quickly.

3363
04:57:01,060 --> 04:57:04,000
Another thing is two, four stories requires a ladder truck.

3364
04:57:04,740 --> 04:57:05,900
There is no ladder truck.

3365
04:57:06,640 --> 04:57:07,540
So that's great.

3366
04:57:07,660 --> 04:57:12,560
You're going to put all this sprinkler system in and everything, but hey, if it's my parent

3367
04:57:12,560 --> 04:57:17,260
or my sibling on that fourth floor waiting for a fire truck to get there to rescue me,

3368
04:57:17,720 --> 04:57:19,160
I'm coming after somebody.

3369
04:57:20,640 --> 04:57:25,780
There's also all of the air traffic concerns about this changing the overlay of the airports.

3370
04:57:26,080 --> 04:57:27,840
I live in the area, I hear the planes.

3371
04:57:28,080 --> 04:57:28,760
I own a home.

3372
04:57:28,760 --> 04:57:34,460
I had to sign a document that said I understand them in the noise contour.

3373
04:57:35,060 --> 04:57:36,720
I don't know that renters have to do that.

3374
04:57:37,160 --> 04:57:40,840
So when renters come in and you're living on the floor floor, it doesn't matter.

3375
04:57:41,100 --> 04:57:43,340
You can put all the soundproofing you want in.

3376
04:57:43,520 --> 04:57:44,780
You're going to hear those airplanes.

3377
04:57:45,500 --> 04:57:48,360
And just showing I've looked at the flight tracker Casper.

3378
04:57:49,900 --> 04:57:52,740
RTU flights go out as early as 5.15 in the morning.

3379
04:57:53,320 --> 04:57:57,380
The later ones UPS FedEx can depart as late as 10, 30, 11 o'clock.

3380
04:57:58,200 --> 04:58:04,780
they fly right over this area. I went through like an entire morning, an entire

3381
04:58:04,780 --> 04:58:09,200
evening, grab screen shots. I have about 60 of them, but this is just an

3382
04:58:09,200 --> 04:58:12,940
example of showing four different flights two in the evening, two in the

3383
04:58:12,940 --> 04:58:16,140
mornings where they're flying right over this location of four story

3384
04:58:16,140 --> 04:58:21,120
apartments. I'm in a two-story home. I can't imagine two more stories how loud

3385
04:58:21,120 --> 04:58:27,000
these are and also being almost a mile closer. So and if you can see through my

3386
04:58:27,000 --> 04:58:32,040
My blue lines here, that is on looking at this Casper, the majority of the flight patterns,

3387
04:58:32,260 --> 04:58:37,260
which go over all industrial, go over swing projected, which is commercial.

3388
04:58:37,900 --> 04:58:42,260
The first residential is this little house up here, which is this plot of land.

3389
04:58:43,220 --> 04:58:49,020
Mulberry Park residents have also complained about the inability to turn out in the morning.

3390
04:58:49,800 --> 04:58:55,080
They've added at Mount Hermann and Liesville Road, they've added turn lanes on Liesville Road,

3391
04:58:55,080 --> 04:59:01,120
proposed turn lanes on Mount Hermann or Shady Grove at that point, but it still backs up.

3392
04:59:01,380 --> 04:59:04,320
The traffic at the peak hours is just crazy.

3393
04:59:05,040 --> 04:59:13,140
So it is the recommendation of the citizens in that area, the community to please take

3394
04:59:13,140 --> 04:59:15,600
consideration of all of these factors in.

3395
04:59:15,840 --> 04:59:21,420
It just doesn't fit, doesn't mean it can't be someday, but now's not the time.

3396
04:59:22,300 --> 04:59:22,800
Thank you.

3397
04:59:22,800 --> 04:59:23,820
Thank you.

3398
04:59:25,740 --> 04:59:26,260
All right.

3399
04:59:26,580 --> 04:59:27,180
Any questions?

3400
04:59:27,520 --> 04:59:28,580
Should I close the hearing?

3401
04:59:32,880 --> 04:59:38,580
Yeah, so I think, for me, there have been, there's just a lot of concerns.

3402
04:59:38,920 --> 04:59:42,720
You've got the physical impact which I can't explain and I understand that the rezoning

3403
04:59:42,720 --> 04:59:46,900
isn't incorporated in that, but it's hard right now looking at that, making that decision,

3404
04:59:47,060 --> 04:59:51,200
knowing that it's going to be such a steep drop off, hopefully it gets factored in, but

3405
04:59:51,200 --> 04:59:53,200
I don't know how to explain that to residents at the moment.

3406
04:59:53,200 --> 04:59:57,120
So that's a concern for me, fire concerns, knowing that we've had this fire.

3407
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:29,180
I do not have anything for this area incorporated in there. Also concerns me with the level of development in this area, and then traffic is my biggest concern. I do appreciate the stoplight that has been added where that stop sign that forway stop was, but that's not going to be enough for the level of intensity for me in this area. I think with all of those concerns, I know that already you did, they are typically against because of those concerns.

3408
05:00:29,180 --> 05:00:35,940
I do appreciate incorporating those conditions that they asked, so we did satisfy R.D.U.

3409
05:00:36,520 --> 05:00:41,640
However, it didn't, it can't for me get over that hump of all the other concerns that

3410
05:00:41,640 --> 05:00:42,200
have been addressed.

3411
05:00:42,900 --> 05:00:49,000
So for me, I'm just having some struggle, but definitely open for a conversation to hear

3412
05:00:49,000 --> 05:00:50,520
if anyone else has any other thoughts.

3413
05:00:53,200 --> 05:00:53,760
Yes.

3414
05:00:53,760 --> 05:00:53,900
Yes.

3415
05:00:54,520 --> 05:00:54,760
Yeah.

3416
05:00:54,940 --> 05:01:00,160
I'm just, I don't know if this is Molly, if you have slides or if staff can explain this

3417
05:01:00,160 --> 05:01:03,080
to me again, I'm still very confused about the block perimeter thing.

3418
05:01:03,300 --> 05:01:07,040
And this is something I pay a lot of close attention to in my own district, which has a lot

3419
05:01:07,040 --> 05:01:12,540
of these huge blocks uncapitable of art, and like filling in the grid is like a high priority

3420
05:01:12,540 --> 05:01:16,100
for me for emergency service delivery, emergency evacuation.

3421
05:01:16,580 --> 05:01:17,180
Yeah, I got it.

3422
05:01:18,380 --> 05:01:18,780
Yeah.

3423
05:01:19,040 --> 05:01:20,340
Someone want to take a while.

3424
05:01:20,720 --> 05:01:21,120
I'm sorry.

3425
05:01:21,200 --> 05:01:23,140
Can you repeat your question about block perimeter?

3426
05:01:23,140 --> 05:01:31,580
Just like what is the condition doing and what would be produced in the absence of the condition like what would be produced under normal circumstances?

3427
05:01:32,700 --> 05:01:34,840
I'll defer to my transportation colleagues

3428
05:01:36,140 --> 05:01:40,060
Good afternoon Daniel King with transportation. I

3429
05:01:40,060 --> 05:01:44,720
Manage our review group. So I'm happy to talk about how we would look at this from a site review stay-in-point

3430
05:01:45,540 --> 05:01:52,520
The comp plan as Carter mentioned is one tool that we use for getting street connectivity and block remitors the other

3431
05:01:53,140 --> 05:01:56,300
which happens at the site planning phase during development review.

3432
05:01:57,080 --> 05:01:59,600
This condition would take that tool away from us.

3433
05:01:59,800 --> 05:02:00,860
We would just not have that.

3434
05:02:02,140 --> 05:02:04,780
So if this condition were approved,

3435
05:02:05,660 --> 05:02:08,000
the only thing we would get here is the comp plan streets.

3436
05:02:09,440 --> 05:02:12,740
Okay, so like internal street stubs,

3437
05:02:13,400 --> 05:02:16,440
they're basically not, they're saying they're not going to do any of those.

3438
05:02:16,760 --> 05:02:19,500
We don't know what they would propose in that case,

3439
05:02:19,680 --> 05:02:22,440
but we would not be able to require anything with

3440
05:02:22,440 --> 05:02:25,900
with this exemption because it would exempt it completely from block perimeter.

3441
05:02:26,540 --> 05:02:29,220
And at this phase, it's very early to determine what

3442
05:02:29,720 --> 05:02:33,040
by-rate exemptions might exist on the site anyway.

3443
05:02:34,540 --> 05:02:38,580
So, do you have any sense of, like, how much, like,

3444
05:02:38,880 --> 05:02:42,680
internal connectivity would be produced on?

3445
05:02:43,560 --> 05:02:44,860
I don't know right offhand.

3446
05:02:45,800 --> 05:02:49,480
I know that the swing site is proposing an extension of a cul-de-sac

3447
05:02:49,480 --> 05:02:55,460
back to gain access to the landlock parcel that's behind their site.

3448
05:02:55,760 --> 05:02:59,660
There could be connectivity from that back to the TWA Alexander extension.

3449
05:03:00,340 --> 05:03:02,500
That could be beneficial to the to the grid.

3450
05:03:03,180 --> 05:03:03,460
Okay.

3451
05:03:03,980 --> 05:03:04,840
Thank you.

3452
05:03:07,280 --> 05:03:08,640
Any other questions?

3453
05:03:09,560 --> 05:03:14,340
So I have a question for our attorney, our planning directors.

3454
05:03:14,940 --> 05:03:20,900
If the applicant decided just from conversation if they wanted to remove that

3455
05:03:20,900 --> 05:03:27,880
condition as far as a block parameter, what does that look like?

3456
05:03:28,060 --> 05:03:28,200
I

3457
05:03:30,340 --> 05:03:31,400
see Pat's coming.

3458
05:03:40,580 --> 05:03:41,260
Good afternoon, Pat.

3459
05:03:41,360 --> 05:03:42,340
I'm playing in development director.

3460
05:03:43,920 --> 05:03:50,360
The criteria is that if the changing condition makes it more restrictive, it can just

3461
05:03:51,500 --> 05:03:53,800
proceed forward with the vote.

3462
05:03:53,980 --> 05:03:58,320
So they could remove that condition to modify that condition and have it come back to you all.

3463
05:03:58,320 --> 05:03:59,280
Anybody

3464
05:04:10,990 --> 05:04:15,050
have a motion or additional questions?

3465
05:04:26,600 --> 05:04:31,580
Yeah, I think if Councillor or Mayor Purge, I'm Harrison as asked if we can hear the

3466
05:04:31,580 --> 05:04:38,240
rezoning so that we can think of it all together instead of making a motion on it now and hear

3467
05:04:38,240 --> 05:04:39,300
the rezoning app.

3468
05:04:40,840 --> 05:04:41,100
Okay.

3469
05:04:41,660 --> 05:04:43,940
So we just hold it, just hold it.

3470
05:04:45,740 --> 05:04:48,340
I think we have two presentations, right?

3471
05:04:48,340 --> 05:04:56,800
Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, let me hold this one open and then let's talk about Z5425.

3472
05:05:00,180 --> 05:05:05,440
And do we want staff to come up back? Do you have different things to say or have you completed your?

3473
05:05:06,460 --> 05:05:09,980
No, the presentation I gave was a joint for the annexation and the rezoning.

3474
05:05:10,320 --> 05:05:16,320
Okay. So then we will, I will open the hearing and invite Ms. Stewart to come back up.

3475
05:05:16,320 --> 05:05:24,970
Thank you. So we've seen previously that this is an infill site in an urbanized area in a location

3476
05:05:24,970 --> 05:05:30,310
that's contemplated for development. And we've seen that the current zoning on the site cannot

3477
05:05:30,310 --> 05:05:35,990
support the swing use and can be perhaps a detriment to that use in the city's investment in that use as

3478
05:05:35,990 --> 05:05:43,030
well. We've heard the concerns of our neighbors, particularly there in the ETJ nearby. And I would

3479
05:05:43,030 --> 05:05:47,930
like to dive a little bit deeper on the question of the block perimeter. The blue line on your

3480
05:05:47,930 --> 05:05:52,250
screen represents the current city block that exists in the area.

3481
05:05:52,650 --> 05:05:56,930
And we could cross this site with new streets, and it wouldn't meaningfully reduce that block

3482
05:05:56,930 --> 05:05:57,290
size.

3483
05:05:58,350 --> 05:06:01,730
Let's give a head here to show that TW Alexander connection.

3484
05:06:02,390 --> 05:06:09,210
The portion of the TW Alexander connection on the site would be dedicated and likely funded

3485
05:06:09,210 --> 05:06:14,270
rather than constructed, but at least funded moving that project forward and actually pushing

3486
05:06:14,270 --> 05:06:17,790
that ahead, really contributing to that critical connection.

3487
05:06:18,410 --> 05:06:22,290
I believe I didn't see that in the fiscal impact statement, so I believe that's another

3488
05:06:22,810 --> 05:06:25,270
big value that is contributed on this site.

3489
05:06:26,150 --> 05:06:31,930
But we have heard the feedback from our transportation staff that in addition to that requirement,

3490
05:06:32,150 --> 05:06:37,590
it would be helpful to leave the block perimeter requirements in place, and this image was produced

3491
05:06:37,590 --> 05:06:38,130
by staff.

3492
05:06:38,510 --> 05:06:43,530
As a suggestion for what might be required at site plan, it can't be promised, but this

3493
05:06:43,530 --> 05:06:45,790
This isn't a suggestion of what it might look like.

3494
05:06:45,950 --> 05:06:48,610
And so you see those two new north-south streets in red.

3495
05:06:49,190 --> 05:06:55,050
And for this purpose, we can see that even, let's assume that TW Alexander gets completed

3496
05:06:55,050 --> 05:06:59,690
so that those streets actually do connect to it, because they wouldn't on just this site.

3497
05:07:00,470 --> 05:07:02,210
So this isn't just another view of that.

3498
05:07:02,950 --> 05:07:08,050
So for context, you already heard that there wouldn't be a new street that would connect

3499
05:07:08,050 --> 05:07:09,330
in the east-west direction.

3500
05:07:09,330 --> 05:07:12,290
and if you look to the north of the TWL Exander

3501
05:07:12,290 --> 05:07:15,790
MOUCH connection there, you see the Mulberry Park Town

3502
05:07:15,790 --> 05:07:18,890
home community that is developed with private streets only.

3503
05:07:19,110 --> 05:07:21,190
So that is a complete block to extending the grid

3504
05:07:21,190 --> 05:07:22,110
in that direction.

3505
05:07:22,230 --> 05:07:26,210
That would not connect here and if you look to the south,

3506
05:07:26,490 --> 05:07:29,410
swing hasn't approved site plan with no new public streets

3507
05:07:29,410 --> 05:07:30,550
that would connect any further.

3508
05:07:30,890 --> 05:07:34,330
So between the creek and those two complete blocks,

3509
05:07:34,950 --> 05:07:37,090
you would never extend a grid in this area.

3510
05:07:37,090 --> 05:07:40,250
it would simply be these new blocks created on the site.

3511
05:07:40,830 --> 05:07:43,950
Now, the site itself, of course, would have its own internal circulation requirements,

3512
05:07:43,950 --> 05:07:49,290
would have all the access that it needs, these residents would already be able to walk to swing.

3513
05:07:49,910 --> 05:07:54,510
And in fact, if we did put that street in place, you'd be walking past that cell tower

3514
05:07:54,510 --> 05:07:56,870
that exists and is contemplated to remain.

3515
05:07:59,560 --> 05:08:05,260
So the benefit of allowing this site to develop is to actually push forward the one piece of this

3516
05:08:05,260 --> 05:08:09,380
that would start to provide a real connection in this area and start to build out that

3517
05:08:09,380 --> 05:08:13,400
comp plan grid that starts to create the important east-west connections on the site.

3518
05:08:14,600 --> 05:08:20,720
Otherwise, just to go back to this view, we'd be looking at a single apartment community

3519
05:08:20,720 --> 05:08:26,020
tasked with creating three new public streets, the full section of the full public streets,

3520
05:08:26,600 --> 05:08:31,720
turning this site into effectively a public infrastructure project to be shoulder by the

3521
05:08:31,720 --> 05:08:33,220
residents of this apartment community.

3522
05:08:33,220 --> 05:08:37,180
That's in addition to the normal sort of street frontage improvements that would be required

3523
05:08:37,180 --> 05:08:38,300
on any site.

3524
05:08:39,280 --> 05:08:40,520
This would not move forward.

3525
05:08:40,860 --> 05:08:43,320
This would simply reduce the number of housing units.

3526
05:08:43,440 --> 05:08:48,640
We go back to where we were with our large lot, estate homes and our mixed use industrial

3527
05:08:48,640 --> 05:08:48,940
use.

3528
05:08:49,760 --> 05:08:55,000
So that is why we feel not only is there not public benefit to this, but in fact there's

3529
05:08:55,000 --> 05:08:55,960
a real detriment here.

3530
05:08:56,080 --> 05:08:56,480
There's a loss.

3531
05:08:56,600 --> 05:09:01,960
There's a loss of pushing forward the TWL Exander connection and there's a loss of the proposed

3532
05:09:01,960 --> 05:09:02,560
housing here.

3533
05:09:08,200 --> 05:09:12,720
So just as a reminder of sort of what is around this site, we think that,

3534
05:09:12,940 --> 05:09:18,400
you know, putting the new residents, there we go, putting the new residents immediately adjacent

3535
05:09:18,400 --> 05:09:23,740
to site to the swing site, not only benefits swing and provides them with a baseline of activity

3536
05:09:23,740 --> 05:09:29,700
for that use to sort of give that use momentum, but also provides a place in the city where residents

3537
05:09:29,700 --> 05:09:35,120
can live immediately adjacent to swing and to use it frequently for the social aspects and its

3538
05:09:35,120 --> 05:09:47,020
health and activity. All of that. So we think this is the combination that makes sense in this area rather than that industrial probably sell storage or the large lot of state uses in this area.

3539
05:09:49,400 --> 05:09:54,680
It's hard to understand why I would want to see that next to swing and next to the town home units.

3540
05:09:55,820 --> 05:10:01,600
So just to step back and look at the contributions being made to the city here, it's not just those taxes. That's one piece of it.

3541
05:10:01,600 --> 05:10:08,080
But also pushing forward that section of TWL Exander Drive, removal of an actual potential

3542
05:10:08,080 --> 05:10:12,600
detriment to the swing use and replacing it with something that actually reinforces and

3543
05:10:12,600 --> 05:10:18,800
supports swing as well as providing those new 325-ish residential units on this site.

3544
05:10:19,440 --> 05:10:23,740
So that is sort of our deep dive on block perimeter, happy to talk more about that.

3545
05:10:23,940 --> 05:10:26,000
I do think we have another speaker as well.

3546
05:10:26,000 --> 05:10:34,820
Yeah, I think we had Jim Truman, John Smoot and Laura Way all with the remaining three minutes.

3547
05:10:36,850 --> 05:10:37,410
I can talk fast.

3548
05:10:38,230 --> 05:10:43,590
Jim Truman here to remind you guys that there are people that think we need new housing

3549
05:10:43,590 --> 05:10:48,090
in our city, even at the edge of the city, especially in where we connect between Raleigh and Durham.

3550
05:10:49,250 --> 05:10:51,530
There are Yanby's coming to Durham City Council to say this.

3551
05:10:51,630 --> 05:10:53,650
There are Yanby's coming to Raleigh City Council to say this.

3552
05:10:54,170 --> 05:10:56,210
This is a place where we need more housing.

3553
05:10:56,710 --> 05:10:58,990
It's already surrounded by town homes and apartments.

3554
05:10:59,610 --> 05:11:01,890
It's a little bit silly to say in one sentence

3555
05:11:01,890 --> 05:11:03,110
that it's too rural for apartments,

3556
05:11:03,490 --> 05:11:04,310
and then in the next sentence,

3557
05:11:04,310 --> 05:11:07,490
say there's 10 apartments within two miles as we heard today.

3558
05:11:07,890 --> 05:11:09,810
And it's something that we hear far too often

3559
05:11:10,330 --> 05:11:12,350
because there are a lot of reasons to come up

3560
05:11:12,350 --> 05:11:13,310
to be against housing.

3561
05:11:13,930 --> 05:11:15,410
And I'm just here to remind you

3562
05:11:15,410 --> 05:11:16,570
that there's one really good reason

3563
05:11:16,570 --> 05:11:17,830
to be for projects like this,

3564
05:11:18,070 --> 05:11:20,010
and that's that we need more housing

3565
05:11:20,010 --> 05:11:21,150
and we need more apartments,

3566
05:11:22,010 --> 05:11:23,630
especially in our mixed use nodes.

3567
05:11:23,630 --> 05:11:24,570
Hello,

3568
05:11:28,990 --> 05:11:33,490
my name is Jack Smooth. I am a renter in my living department at one of four Dartmouth

3569
05:11:33,490 --> 05:11:39,290
Road. And to put it bluntly, we are in the midst of a housing crisis. And more specifically,

3570
05:11:39,570 --> 05:11:45,550
we have a shortage of apartment rental housing. And every year, more and more people move to

3571
05:11:45,550 --> 05:11:50,470
Raleigh, and I put more stress on our existing housing supply. If this project were approved,

3572
05:11:50,510 --> 05:11:57,070
you would have more supply to sort of bite into that growing demand. So please approve

3573
05:11:57,070 --> 05:12:00,510
this project so that my rent can stay a little bit more reasonable. Thank you very much.

3574
05:12:04,680 --> 05:12:09,500
That concludes the speakers. I will go ahead close this hearing.

3575
05:12:15,180 --> 05:12:19,000
I hear the, I am excited, I do want more housing.

3576
05:12:19,680 --> 05:12:23,780
I promise that that is not the reason this is the densest area in Raleigh.

3577
05:12:23,980 --> 05:12:26,060
We have a lot of things happening in this area.

3578
05:12:26,180 --> 05:12:29,420
There's also a lot of traffic congestion up there for our Creek Parkway.

3579
05:12:29,760 --> 05:12:34,060
It's a very complicated and adding a ton of units in this space,

3580
05:12:34,060 --> 05:12:37,800
knowing that T.W. Alexander is not confirmed, is not funded.

3581
05:12:38,680 --> 05:12:41,220
As I'm sitting at this table, not knowing those dates,

3582
05:12:41,520 --> 05:12:44,840
it feels irresponsible to say we need to have sustainability,

3583
05:12:45,440 --> 05:12:48,080
you know, have sustainable infrastructure ready to go when I know right now.

3584
05:12:48,140 --> 05:12:49,440
There isn't sustainable infrastructure.

3585
05:12:49,900 --> 05:12:53,400
I don't have fire, we just heard from the fire chief,

3586
05:12:53,640 --> 05:12:54,860
that there's not plans for that.

3587
05:12:55,160 --> 05:12:58,020
I think there are concerns that as we bring new people into the area,

3588
05:12:58,260 --> 05:13:00,960
we want them to know that we thought of all this beforehand.

3589
05:13:00,960 --> 05:13:08,220
And so for me, this case is just not there yet for me.

3590
05:13:08,420 --> 05:13:12,040
I think that there's, I've noted them and I won't be to dead horse on all the concerns

3591
05:13:12,040 --> 05:13:13,200
that I do have with the case.

3592
05:13:13,800 --> 05:13:18,460
So for me, this is not something that I can get to approve.

3593
05:13:19,180 --> 05:13:23,140
Again, if there's anybody on council that has any difference of opinion, would like to

3594
05:13:23,140 --> 05:13:24,040
share, please go ahead.

3595
05:13:24,220 --> 05:13:27,740
But when the moment is ready, I will move to deny.

3596
05:13:29,180 --> 05:13:32,320
I was going to support the case any annexation.

3597
05:13:32,500 --> 05:13:36,520
I looked very carefully at the Plan Commission report, which was unanimous.

3598
05:13:37,380 --> 05:13:45,640
I agree that I always look very carefully at the conference plan and looking at trends

3599
05:13:45,640 --> 05:13:52,480
over time about when we look very carefully at whether it warrants a change in land use.

3600
05:13:52,480 --> 05:13:57,700
That is why I listened very carefully to the testimony, read the staff report, here

3601
05:13:57,700 --> 05:14:02,060
what the Plank Commission has to say, and this certainly is an area that meets a lot

3602
05:14:02,060 --> 05:14:06,840
of the conference of Plank consistency, and so on the time comes I'll be making a motion

3603
05:14:06,840 --> 05:14:09,320
on both the annexation and on the resumption.

3604
05:14:09,660 --> 05:14:14,280
I'm going to go ahead and close the annexation since we left that open just so that we can

3605
05:14:14,280 --> 05:14:16,960
have a debate and then make motions if we so choose.

3606
05:14:17,540 --> 05:14:17,600
Yep.

3607
05:14:18,340 --> 05:14:18,820
Yeah.

3608
05:14:18,820 --> 05:14:21,060
I mean, I'll just say I am a little bit split on this case.

3609
05:14:21,820 --> 05:14:25,740
I think the density being near swing is beneficial.

3610
05:14:26,540 --> 05:14:29,360
I am concerned about the fire issues

3611
05:14:29,360 --> 05:14:30,620
and then the fiscal analysis.

3612
05:14:31,180 --> 05:14:32,760
So those are probably what give me pause.

3613
05:14:32,940 --> 05:14:35,160
I'm glad to understand better the road issue.

3614
05:14:35,860 --> 05:14:37,980
I think I feel better about that.

3615
05:14:38,220 --> 05:14:40,340
But I guess if I had my preference,

3616
05:14:40,520 --> 05:14:44,000
I would see a little bit more work on how we're addressing fire

3617
05:14:44,000 --> 05:14:44,800
concerns.

3618
05:14:45,560 --> 05:14:48,360
and I don't know how to improve the fiscal picture on this.

3619
05:14:49,780 --> 05:14:51,800
I'll just go back to the fiscal picture.

3620
05:14:52,020 --> 05:14:53,620
It just makes zero sense to me at all.

3621
05:14:53,740 --> 05:14:56,360
This is an apartment building next to a bunch of apartment buildings.

3622
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:06,640
Tax space. I'm not sure. If you want to revisit that, but that just makes zero sense.

3623
05:15:12,340 --> 05:15:14,800
Yeah, but I mean, if you've already got water sewer there, right?

3624
05:15:18,620 --> 05:15:37,800
They're not looking at from what I heard. They don't look at the zoning case and analysis. So that's why the number comes out that was maybe something that we look we asked to have to look into. Well, and I will say I am also for this case. So I am also willing to

3625
05:15:37,800 --> 05:15:42,600
And I support the motion when the time comes for both annexation and zoning.

3626
05:15:43,580 --> 05:15:49,300
My only final thoughts are just that the block perimeter thing is like, I can't overcome it.

3627
05:15:49,360 --> 05:15:51,740
I've been really consistent about it in cases in my district.

3628
05:15:51,960 --> 05:15:55,600
And there are parts of our city where it takes you a mile to go around the block.

3629
05:15:56,600 --> 05:16:07,500
And while I understand the explanation for the applicant, it just is not consistent with my passfodes and not consistent with my, I don't want to take a tool out of the toolbox that will help us get a better grid.

3630
05:16:14,070 --> 05:16:14,670
I

3631
05:16:16,780 --> 05:16:22,060
move that we adopt the annexation A4425.

3632
05:16:24,640 --> 05:16:26,560
All in favor of that motion, aye.

3633
05:16:27,680 --> 05:16:28,220
All opposed.

3634
05:16:29,720 --> 05:16:29,920
Okay.

3635
05:16:30,380 --> 05:16:31,280
I move to.

3636
05:16:31,540 --> 05:16:31,980
I'm sorry.

3637
05:16:32,400 --> 05:16:36,840
I move to adopt the proposed consistency statement dated August 18, 2026.

3638
05:16:37,460 --> 05:16:42,940
Contain the agenda materials and to approve the rezoning amendment with the adoption of the effective date described in the agenda.

3639
05:16:42,940 --> 05:16:46,120
under recommended. Action, this approval is also named

3640
05:16:46,120 --> 05:16:49,040
Amendment of Future. Lannus mapped to the extent described

3641
05:16:49,040 --> 05:16:51,040
in the Adolfing Consistency Statement.

3642
05:16:52,980 --> 05:16:54,420
All in favor of that motion, aye.

3643
05:16:54,800 --> 05:16:55,020
Aye.

3644
05:16:55,580 --> 05:16:56,140
All opposed.

3645
05:16:57,960 --> 05:17:01,080
So that's six, two, on both votes.

3646
05:17:03,110 --> 05:17:04,930
Okay, thank you, all.

3647
05:17:06,850 --> 05:17:12,430
Moving on, we are now at ZO826, which is on Rock, Corey Road.

3648
05:17:12,430 --> 05:17:16,710
Yes, Hannah Racco, again planning and development.

3649
05:17:17,350 --> 05:17:24,290
The 826 is a request to rezone two properties on Rockquay Road that are together just about

3650
05:17:24,290 --> 05:17:30,210
one and a half acres from R4 to neighborhood mix use three stories, parking limited conditional

3651
05:17:30,210 --> 05:17:30,470
use.

3652
05:17:31,490 --> 05:17:37,970
This is located on the north east side of Rockquay Road just near the intersection with

3653
05:17:37,970 --> 05:17:40,350
Barwell Road and the Barwell Road Community Center in school.

3654
05:17:41,810 --> 05:17:46,650
There are three proposed zoning conditions, one that would prohibit detention center

3655
05:17:46,650 --> 05:17:51,510
of jail in prison and vehicle fuel sales, and then the other conditions would prohibit

3656
05:17:51,510 --> 05:17:54,930
the tobacco shops and internet electronic sweepstakes.

3657
05:17:58,170 --> 05:18:05,910
The change here to a mixed use district would add the possibility of non-residential land

3658
05:18:05,910 --> 05:18:11,090
and uses commercial land uses and would add apartment building type townhouse, additional

3659
05:18:11,090 --> 05:18:15,270
town homes and would increase the maximum number of units that could be built on the site.

3660
05:18:17,530 --> 05:18:21,930
The site is designated moderate scale residential on the future land use map.

3661
05:18:22,350 --> 05:18:27,290
The request is inconsistent with that designation, but it is consistent with the urban format designation

3662
05:18:27,290 --> 05:18:28,990
and consistent with the plan overall.

3663
05:18:28,990 --> 05:18:36,810
I can see some consistent policies here and here, and then the inconsistent policies for

3664
05:18:36,810 --> 05:18:42,350
this one in addition to the future land use map designation pertain to the existing

3665
05:18:42,350 --> 05:18:45,330
fire service considerations in the area.

3666
05:18:47,750 --> 05:18:58,720
If approved, approval would be a de facto amendment to the future land use map from moderate

3667
05:18:58,720 --> 05:19:04,600
scale residential to neighborhood mixed use and the Planning Commission recommended approval

3668
05:19:04,600 --> 05:19:13,980
6 to 1 and the opposing commission in opposition noted the concern about number of developments

3669
05:19:13,980 --> 05:19:21,920
in the area impacts to traffic and existing commercial uses that already exist in the area.

3670
05:19:22,940 --> 05:19:26,140
So without happy to answer any questions, you have questions?

3671
05:19:26,140 --> 05:19:26,580
questions.

3672
05:19:26,940 --> 05:19:30,660
I have a question for staff transportation.

3673
05:19:31,380 --> 05:19:37,360
Can you speak to any possible improvements that would need to be made on our cry road?

3674
05:19:42,360 --> 05:19:47,680
Barbara Godwin with transportation, so similar to the previous discussion we had about an

3675
05:19:47,680 --> 05:19:54,100
earlier case, sidewalk bike facilities behind the curb would be required along the site's

3676
05:19:54,100 --> 05:19:58,700
frontage with either a subdivision or a tier 3 site plan for this location.

3677
05:19:58,700 --> 05:20:03,560
and that would be a long rut quarry as well as dedicated right of way for future updates

3678
05:20:03,560 --> 05:20:06,560
to rut quarry road to that four lane avenue section.

3679
05:20:07,160 --> 05:20:15,300
Okay, so basically either they can go ahead and widen the road or they can pay for us

3680
05:20:15,300 --> 05:20:21,320
put money set aside and payment for us to do it at a later date if we win the city does it.

3681
05:20:21,700 --> 05:20:22,540
Yes, that's correct.

3682
05:20:22,820 --> 05:20:23,880
Okay, thank you.

3683
05:20:23,880 --> 05:20:24,000
All

3684
05:20:26,110 --> 05:20:34,890
right. I can go ahead and open up the hearing and we have Hunter Winstead signed

3685
05:20:34,890 --> 05:20:35,290
up.

3686
05:20:51,900 --> 05:20:53,220
Somebody's pulling up. I don't know who it is.

3687
05:20:55,310 --> 05:20:56,190
Well, that's coming up. Good afternoon.

3688
05:20:56,570 --> 05:21:01,730
I'm new again. Mayor Cal, Councilmember Hunter Winstead. I'm half of the applicant on this

3689
05:21:01,730 --> 05:21:04,770
case of the intersection of Barbell Road and Brock Corey Road. I think it'll be helpful

3690
05:21:04,770 --> 05:21:08,690
to have the illustration at the PowerPoint. So I'll just give it a second to come up. I

3691
05:21:18,800 --> 05:21:18,900
think

3692
05:21:18,900 --> 05:21:19,800
get started without it.

3693
05:21:21,180 --> 05:21:25,020
Others, similar to the first case, really three main reasons we believe this case is

3694
05:21:25,020 --> 05:21:26,220
reasonable in the public interest.

3695
05:21:27,220 --> 05:21:31,100
One consistent with the comprehensive plan and more particularly consistent with the

3696
05:21:31,100 --> 05:21:31,680
urban format.

3697
05:21:32,720 --> 05:21:37,820
Number two, this case really is a stewardship of the city's investment, particularly in

3698
05:21:37,820 --> 05:21:43,220
the capital improvement project happening on Barwell Road and the number three, this is

3699
05:21:43,220 --> 05:21:46,380
the case that's compatible with the surrounding area.

3700
05:21:47,660 --> 05:21:50,960
Without shown illustration, that slide actually helps show it a little bit.

3701
05:21:51,720 --> 05:21:56,160
Rotkkoi Road is designated as a Trans-Emphasis Corridor on the Urban Formap.

3702
05:21:57,260 --> 05:22:01,460
This case will be bringing a neighborhood mixed use designation, which there have been

3703
05:22:01,460 --> 05:22:01,820
Formap.

3704
05:22:02,560 --> 05:22:06,980
There are several policies that speak about bringing that sort of commercial, higher density,

3705
05:22:07,260 --> 05:22:10,280
along Trans-Emphasis Corridors, this is a site that's currently zoned.

3706
05:22:10,660 --> 05:22:15,300
Our four, that lower density current zoning doesn't really make sense on Trans-Emphasis

3707
05:22:15,300 --> 05:22:19,340
corridors, can there are several policies that speak to that? That's reason number one

3708
05:22:19,340 --> 05:22:27,400
comprehensive plan, consistency, there it is. Thank you. There's that urban format showing

3709
05:22:27,400 --> 05:22:31,120
the transit emphasis corridor. Just a little bit of the verbiage from the comprehensive

3710
05:22:31,120 --> 05:22:34,840
plan there on the bottom left. Reason number two, the stewardship of city investments.

3711
05:22:35,040 --> 05:22:39,180
This is showing the street plan, the existing zoning. And really what this case is doing

3712
05:22:39,180 --> 05:22:45,800
is pulling this trend that was set back here in 2006 so on the far left that's a site that was

3713
05:22:45,800 --> 05:22:51,060
zoned for neighborhood mixed use parking limited frontage back in 2006 this one was 2012 this one's

3714
05:22:51,060 --> 05:22:57,360
2023 ours is 2026 the idea is pulling this neighborhood mixed use trend with that parking limited

3715
05:22:57,360 --> 05:23:02,840
frontage toward this intersection here the purple and the green here showing the street plan

3716
05:23:02,840 --> 05:23:08,680
designations borrow road designated as that divided two lane avenue with a multi use path on the side

3717
05:23:08,680 --> 05:23:12,820
Let's go in through a capital improvement project right now and then Rock Courier Road as Barbara was mentioning

3718
05:23:13,400 --> 05:23:17,240
Designate is a four-lane avenue similar to spring forest and so to require all that

3719
05:23:17,860 --> 05:23:22,920
dedication and construction to councilmember branches point. This is just an overlay showing

3720
05:23:24,460 --> 05:23:29,160
The plan for that borrow road improvement project. It's currently underway

3721
05:23:30,160 --> 05:23:36,460
The big thing here is this multi-use path. It's on the west side the side closest to our site here

3722
05:23:36,460 --> 05:23:38,800
and so we're really bringing that trend toward that.

3723
05:23:39,060 --> 05:23:40,380
Well, it will be a major intersection.

3724
05:23:41,780 --> 05:23:43,120
Just a zoomed-in version.

3725
05:23:44,020 --> 05:23:47,940
Also shown across sections here for those two planned

3726
05:23:48,360 --> 05:23:48,960
street sections.

3727
05:23:49,960 --> 05:23:52,760
And then really point number three is area compatibility.

3728
05:23:53,160 --> 05:23:55,560
Just a few of the prohibited uses that we incorporated.

3729
05:23:55,880 --> 05:23:57,800
It's already neighborhood mixed use, which contemplates

3730
05:23:57,800 --> 05:24:00,060
being adjacent to those lower density areas.

3731
05:24:01,040 --> 05:24:03,760
Adult establishment, pawn shop, dormitory, detention center,

3732
05:24:03,760 --> 05:24:07,880
vehicle fuel sales, vape shops, and gambling facilities are the specific ones that we

3733
05:24:07,880 --> 05:24:11,960
drafted to make sure we excluded those uses to really be good neighbors for the residential

3734
05:24:11,960 --> 05:24:15,400
sites that abut this area up to our north.

3735
05:24:16,140 --> 05:24:19,440
Over on the right is just showing some of the neighborhood transition provisions as they

3736
05:24:19,440 --> 05:24:20,520
apply in the UDO.

3737
05:24:20,520 --> 05:24:24,540
There's those three zones, applied to all the borders where there's neighborhood mixed

3738
05:24:24,540 --> 05:24:26,720
use next to one of the residential zoning districts.

3739
05:24:28,780 --> 05:24:30,160
With that, happy to answer any questions.

3740
05:24:30,160 --> 05:24:33,280
questions would respectfully request that the council approve this resounding to neighborhood

3741
05:24:33,280 --> 05:24:33,740
mixed use.

3742
05:24:34,120 --> 05:24:34,800
Thank you.

3743
05:24:35,600 --> 05:24:37,180
Questions from Mr. Winstead?

3744
05:24:37,640 --> 05:24:37,820
Okay.

3745
05:24:38,220 --> 05:24:40,800
We will come back to you.

3746
05:24:41,040 --> 05:24:45,760
We have two folks signed up at opposition, Sarah Jessica Farber and Mary Goodson.

3747
05:24:46,240 --> 05:24:47,020
Are they here?

3748
05:24:55,260 --> 05:24:56,460
We could reset to eight.

3749
05:25:02,400 --> 05:25:05,260
Thank you for the opportunity to stand before you.

3750
05:25:05,340 --> 05:25:06,340
I am Mary Goodson.

3751
05:25:07,060 --> 05:25:07,900
Excuse me.

3752
05:25:08,020 --> 05:25:08,840
I have some.

3753
05:25:10,840 --> 05:25:11,400
Anyway.

3754
05:25:11,400 --> 05:25:20,160
I am, I was listening to Mr. Winstead, and he's spoken about the area.

3755
05:25:21,340 --> 05:25:33,220
My home borders, the proposed project that he's, that the applicant is building is my understanding it will be retail.

3756
05:25:35,120 --> 05:25:38,460
I am, we are not in a subdivision.

3757
05:25:38,460 --> 05:25:42,720
and we are in support of us on Barwell Road.

3758
05:25:43,520 --> 05:25:47,620
My property will be the one most affected by that.

3759
05:25:48,540 --> 05:25:52,360
I have spoken when I spoke to the Planning Commission.

3760
05:25:53,040 --> 05:25:59,320
My concern is that we already have more than enough

3761
05:25:59,960 --> 05:26:01,720
shopping center right now.

3762
05:26:01,720 --> 05:26:07,140
We have battle bridge that has all of the shopping center,

3763
05:26:07,140 --> 05:26:09,800
of the food and all of those things.

3764
05:26:10,540 --> 05:26:15,700
We have another shopping center, just about 500 yard,

3765
05:26:16,020 --> 05:26:20,260
maybe 500 feet from where he's proposing another shopping

3766
05:26:20,260 --> 05:26:20,660
center.

3767
05:26:21,220 --> 05:26:24,460
If you look at what rock quarry looks like now,

3768
05:26:24,960 --> 05:26:27,000
traffic is horrendous.

3769
05:26:27,540 --> 05:26:31,400
Coming off a bar well, going up just a little ways up the hill

3770
05:26:31,400 --> 05:26:45,540
is where he's proposing the planned shopping center and it would be traffic there and I believe

3771
05:26:45,540 --> 05:26:55,520
to that, I'm a little bit nervous, I'm sorry, but I believe that that will hinder and we

3772
05:26:55,520 --> 05:26:59,320
have accidents all the time on rock quarry as it is.

3773
05:26:59,940 --> 05:27:04,120
But where I am living, he's proposed to put in brick wall

3774
05:27:05,040 --> 05:27:13,060
behind my property to offset any of the noise or whatever

3775
05:27:13,060 --> 05:27:14,720
they want to do back there.

3776
05:27:15,500 --> 05:27:19,620
And I have been there 27 years.

3777
05:27:20,240 --> 05:27:22,320
I'm on an acre and a quarter lot.

3778
05:27:22,320 --> 05:27:24,800
our families, all of the families,

3779
05:27:25,020 --> 05:27:26,640
it's four black families there.

3780
05:27:27,420 --> 05:27:31,580
We have family functions and all of those things.

3781
05:27:32,280 --> 05:27:33,780
When they build old town,

3782
05:27:34,440 --> 05:27:37,000
when they build old town as the subdivision

3783
05:27:37,000 --> 05:27:38,320
and the apartments back there,

3784
05:27:38,440 --> 05:27:41,720
we had trouble with the kids coming through our yards

3785
05:27:41,720 --> 05:27:45,380
to go to Barwheel Road Center.

3786
05:27:46,660 --> 05:27:50,260
And if this happens, if they build this,

3787
05:27:50,260 --> 05:27:52,200
we know that that's going to increase.

3788
05:27:54,340 --> 05:28:00,540
I just want to say that this would be a hindrance.

3789
05:28:01,240 --> 05:28:09,760
We are, like I said, we have been there for a while, not to pull anybody down.

3790
05:28:10,260 --> 05:28:16,860
But the gentleman, he bought all of the properties up on that little, most of the properties on

3791
05:28:16,860 --> 05:28:22,940
that road that where people were living in to build this, to come together to build this

3792
05:28:22,940 --> 05:28:34,200
shopping center that he's proposing. And so it's just not fair that we have to endure

3793
05:28:35,130 --> 05:28:43,280
the change of this shopping center coming into our area. And it's not that we, I don't

3794
05:28:43,280 --> 05:28:55,320
mind that we have this happening. But you have to think about we are we're we're

3795
05:28:55,320 --> 05:29:01,160
going to be impacted by it as a family. Our families will be impacted by the

3796
05:29:01,160 --> 05:29:06,840
noise. We'll be impacted by whatever society if it's a restaurant.

3797
05:29:09,680 --> 05:29:13,260
All of that

3798
05:29:13,260 --> 05:29:14,940
traffic impact on us.

3799
05:29:19,060 --> 05:29:19,300
Thank you.

3800
05:29:19,440 --> 05:29:19,920
I have to say.

3801
05:29:25,380 --> 05:29:27,020
Close the hearing.

3802
05:29:27,560 --> 05:29:30,560
Do you all have questions for the applicant or the opposition?

3803
05:29:30,800 --> 05:29:30,880
Yes.

3804
05:29:31,020 --> 05:29:31,660
Councillor Silver.

3805
05:29:31,920 --> 05:29:32,740
I have a question.

3806
05:29:33,180 --> 05:29:41,800
For either Mr. Winston, if you can come up or staff, can you just go over the transition zone

3807
05:29:42,580 --> 05:29:46,780
as prescribed in the U.D.O. and Ms. Goodson?

3808
05:29:47,060 --> 05:29:47,180
Does it?

3809
05:29:47,780 --> 05:29:49,600
I just want to see where her property is.

3810
05:29:49,720 --> 05:29:53,080
I just want to know how the transitions work.

3811
05:29:53,340 --> 05:29:54,880
I know you and I in a conversation.

3812
05:29:55,460 --> 05:29:56,880
You said, wall could be.

3813
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:28,620
That is required from zone A, B, because this was designed intentionally to minimize, well, to offer a transition between higher density, or a different type of land use. So we kind of walk through what would experience from the site going to Miss Dawson's property or even the adjacent ones. Absolutely. Thank you for the question. Councilmember Silver. So Miss Goodson is right here. Correct. So make sure.

3814
05:30:28,620 --> 05:30:35,720
So there's three zones of the neighborhood transition provisions, zone one is the protective

3815
05:30:35,720 --> 05:30:36,800
yard here.

3816
05:30:36,960 --> 05:30:41,960
And so there'll be three different options in, I'm sorry, zone A, three different options

3817
05:30:41,960 --> 05:30:43,420
of zone A that are listed here.

3818
05:30:43,980 --> 05:30:47,900
There's the narrowest option which is a 10 foot planted buffer with a wall.

3819
05:30:48,400 --> 05:30:52,400
There's the second option which is a 20 foot planted buffer that's less dense of plantings

3820
05:30:52,400 --> 05:30:53,860
also with a wall or a fence.

3821
05:30:53,860 --> 05:30:58,000
and then the third option is a 50-foot planting only with no wall.

3822
05:30:59,260 --> 05:31:01,800
Likely, given that this site is an acre and a half,

3823
05:31:02,360 --> 05:31:04,840
it'll likely be option one or two,

3824
05:31:04,940 --> 05:31:07,020
just given the way this site is configured

3825
05:31:07,020 --> 05:31:11,120
to make sure that we've got enough space to develop on this area,

3826
05:31:11,120 --> 05:31:12,520
given you see how it juts out here.

3827
05:31:13,320 --> 05:31:16,540
So going from Miss Goodson's property,

3828
05:31:16,860 --> 05:31:18,840
you'll have first that zone A,

3829
05:31:18,960 --> 05:31:20,920
which is that planted buffer, potentially a wall there.

3830
05:31:20,920 --> 05:31:24,200
their zone B then restricts the uses and operates as a building setback.

3831
05:31:24,360 --> 05:31:29,100
So there will not be a principle building for commercial use, the close thing could

3832
05:31:29,100 --> 05:31:30,660
be is 50 feet from the property line.

3833
05:31:31,780 --> 05:31:36,380
For instance, if we took the type 2 option from zone A which is 20 feet, you have a 20 foot

3834
05:31:36,380 --> 05:31:41,540
planet area, wall 20 foot planet area and then 30 feet additional of sit back from there.

3835
05:31:42,320 --> 05:31:49,120
And then zone 3 or so zone C goes from the 50 foot line to 100 foot line and operates

3836
05:31:49,120 --> 05:31:51,320
It's at a 45-degree angle that regulates height.

3837
05:31:51,620 --> 05:31:59,460
Here are only three stories, so it's unlikely that'll apply, because the building's going to be at least 50 feet from the property line anyway, but that's what zone C does.

3838
05:31:59,640 --> 05:32:06,620
And so those are the three zones that will be able to buffer misquits in from your property to this site and the event there's a commercial site there.

3839
05:32:07,420 --> 05:32:14,860
I should know this answer, I don't remember, but is it for staff, is it required to be a wall or a fence?

3840
05:32:14,860 --> 05:32:15,860
The

3841
05:32:18,360 --> 05:32:23,580
requirement for this type one is a wall for type two fence.

3842
05:32:25,040 --> 05:32:26,980
Type one wall, type two fence.

3843
05:32:27,360 --> 05:32:27,880
I

3844
05:32:34,020 --> 05:32:36,720
ask a question about hours of operation.

3845
05:32:37,220 --> 05:32:43,240
So as proposed here, would there be any limits or could whatever is going to operate if it is retail?

3846
05:32:43,480 --> 05:32:45,200
Could it be opened all night long?

3847
05:32:50,390 --> 05:32:53,710
There are no hours of operations in the zoning conditions.

3848
05:32:54,930 --> 05:33:00,930
And I don't believe under NX there are for retail, double checking.

3849
05:33:03,350 --> 05:33:04,490
Not for retail sales.

3850
05:33:04,770 --> 05:33:09,190
Okay, so no, yeah, it could be 24 hours a day, potentially, whatever it is.

3851
05:33:10,450 --> 05:33:15,590
So to that point to the applicant, is that something you will be willing to consider?

3852
05:33:17,050 --> 05:33:21,270
We're checking on the specifics to certainly be able to consider that.

3853
05:33:21,270 --> 05:33:24,870
But for bar and restaurant use, which are those ones that really require the hours of operation,

3854
05:33:25,450 --> 05:33:27,030
neighborhood mix use does have requirements.

3855
05:33:27,470 --> 05:33:29,430
I don't remember the exact times off the top of my head.

3856
05:33:29,770 --> 05:33:32,110
I want to say it's 10 o'clock as the latest it could go.

3857
05:33:32,830 --> 05:33:37,950
It might subdivide between outdoor seating, but I know there is hours of operations, provisions,

3858
05:33:37,950 --> 05:33:41,670
in the neighborhood mix use zoning district that already apply automatically.

3859
05:33:41,950 --> 05:33:45,210
So like P Street where we have neighborhood mix use, next to Glenwood South,

3860
05:33:45,210 --> 05:33:49,390
and we've lounges open till 4 in the morning, how does that work?

3861
05:33:49,390 --> 05:33:55,270
Can we put, anyway, I'm just, I know exactly where he is, I have this issue.

3862
05:33:55,950 --> 05:33:56,970
My piece is a violation of here.

3863
05:33:57,170 --> 05:33:58,790
PC's also in a downtown district.

3864
05:33:59,090 --> 05:34:02,930
No, no, no, I think we have those provisions pulled up.

3865
05:34:03,470 --> 05:34:15,720
Yeah, so for, for eating establishment or a restaurant in an ex, can I, yeah, Pat Young

3866
05:34:15,720 --> 05:34:19,100
I'm planning in development just trying to assist staff.

3867
05:34:19,540 --> 05:34:28,200
There is no hours of operation restrictions on NX, so on any use at this time.

3868
05:34:28,580 --> 05:34:37,820
So with that, for the applicant, I was wondering if you be willing to,

3869
05:34:38,420 --> 05:34:43,400
for us to hold this for you to think about hours of operation.

3870
05:34:50,230 --> 05:34:51,530
Sorry, we're still looking at the provisions.

3871
05:34:51,990 --> 05:34:52,850
There's so many of them.

3872
05:34:53,110 --> 05:34:54,270
Yes, of course, happy to do that.

3873
05:34:54,910 --> 05:34:55,010
Okay.

3874
05:34:55,470 --> 05:34:55,590
Okay.

3875
05:34:56,030 --> 05:35:05,970
So, yeah, if you can reopen hearing, and if I'm thinking about our calendar, September 1st,

3876
05:35:06,050 --> 05:35:11,350
so in the daytime, think of where, and could you work with the neighbors on that as well?

3877
05:35:11,490 --> 05:35:11,710
Absolutely.

3878
05:35:11,930 --> 05:35:12,630
Have that conversation.

3879
05:35:13,570 --> 05:35:13,670
Yes.

3880
05:35:13,810 --> 05:35:13,910
Okay.

3881
05:35:14,210 --> 05:35:19,990
So we'll hold this, my motions to hold this case open until September 1st, so in the afternoon session.

3882
05:35:19,990 --> 05:35:21,090
Thank you.

3883
05:35:21,350 --> 05:35:21,950
Thank you.

3884
05:35:21,950 --> 05:35:23,030
All in favour of the motion aye.

3885
05:35:23,330 --> 05:35:23,630
Aye.

3886
05:35:23,850 --> 05:35:24,550
All opposed nay.

3887
05:35:25,390 --> 05:35:36,350
That is unanimous and next we have Z1626 North Boilin with Matthew Clem presenting.

3888
05:35:39,270 --> 05:35:39,830
Thank you, Mayor.

3889
05:35:41,510 --> 05:35:47,490
So this is a request to rezone 0.15 acre site from office mixed use with a three-story building

3890
05:35:47,490 --> 05:35:52,810
high limit and a detached frontage with a neighborhood conservation overlay district to commercial

3891
05:35:52,810 --> 05:35:58,230
mixed use with a 12 story building high limit and urban limited frontage, it's a general

3892
05:35:58,230 --> 05:36:04,250
use case for no zoning conditions. The request is consistent with the 2030 comprehensive plan

3893
05:36:04,250 --> 05:36:08,410
inconsistent with the future land use map and consistent with the urban forum map your planning

3894
05:36:08,410 --> 05:36:15,390
commission recommends approval 6 to 1. So this is the site here developed with a single story

3895
05:36:15,390 --> 05:36:19,790
building from 1961, currently, it's at the intersection of North Street and North

3896
05:36:19,790 --> 05:36:20,750
Boroughland Avenue.

3897
05:36:23,260 --> 05:36:25,860
This is our current entitlement estimate.

3898
05:36:26,160 --> 05:36:31,980
So under the proposed building of 12 stories, you can see the increase in building height

3899
05:36:31,980 --> 05:36:39,720
and entitlement for office, big jump in office, and then unit entitlement there.

3900
05:36:41,580 --> 05:36:48,640
These numbers in a total sort of building may seem like a small jump, but I think that

3901
05:36:48,640 --> 05:36:55,980
is really to do with the size of the site's .15 acres, the geometry of it makes a significant

3902
05:36:57,420 --> 05:37:00,320
development challenging, so that's reflected in our estimates here.

3903
05:37:02,080 --> 05:37:06,700
You can see, again, consistent with the plan overall and consistent with the future land use

3904
05:37:06,700 --> 05:37:14,360
map inconsistent with our reform map policies that the request is consistent with are capitalizing

3905
05:37:14,360 --> 05:37:20,160
on transit access, compact development, our downtown core, increasing housing, variety,

3906
05:37:20,680 --> 05:37:27,700
and mixed use, soaring for retail in the core, again, consistent with the front edge recommendations

3907
05:37:27,700 --> 05:37:36,180
of the urban reform map and just more policies about intensity and the city's core.

3908
05:37:37,140 --> 05:37:44,560
Inconsistent with the future land use map through areas identified as office mix use.

3909
05:37:44,740 --> 05:37:49,440
The request is commercial mix use with another two steps up in the intensity.

3910
05:37:52,100 --> 05:37:57,180
And also the height is inconsistent with the downtown transition areas policy.

3911
05:37:58,120 --> 05:38:02,400
So if approved, the future land use map will be amended to community mix use.

3912
05:38:02,400 --> 05:38:04,180
So you can see what that looks like on this map here.

3913
05:38:06,240 --> 05:38:08,160
Planning and commission recommends approval 6-1.

3914
05:38:08,580 --> 05:38:13,540
The vote against the request was commissioner O'Malley

3915
05:38:13,540 --> 05:38:16,600
who opposed the removal of the NCOD.

3916
05:38:19,070 --> 05:38:20,070
Questions from Mr. Klon.

3917
05:38:21,470 --> 05:38:24,950
If not, we will invite the steward for her grand finale,

3918
05:38:26,430 --> 05:38:30,510
front of council opening the hearing on Z1626.

3919
05:38:31,050 --> 05:38:31,430
Thank you.

3920
05:38:31,930 --> 05:38:33,110
Just waiting for my slides.

3921
05:38:35,030 --> 05:38:40,330
for the video. Molly Stewart, Morningstar Law Group. Here on behalf of Millenoke LLC,

3922
05:38:40,570 --> 05:38:48,310
the property owner and the owners of Millenoke also own Leela Improv studio, the user of the site

3923
05:38:48,310 --> 05:38:53,030
and both Christopher and Jill Eichmann, the owners are here with us this evening in case you

3924
05:38:53,030 --> 05:38:59,270
have questions for them. All right, there we are. So there's Leela Improv studio, the corner

3925
05:38:59,270 --> 05:39:06,270
of North Boilin Avenue and North Street and if you read that sign closely it says Lila

3926
05:39:06,270 --> 05:39:12,570
Improv's Theatre and that is why we're here. The main driver, the main motivator for

3927
05:39:12,570 --> 05:39:18,750
being here for this rezoning is use because in the OX District Theatre is not a permitted

3928
05:39:18,750 --> 05:39:23,750
use. They are currently running workshops and classes and all of that is fine. The actual

3929
05:39:23,750 --> 05:39:27,790
Theater is not, and that's what brings us here to the table.

3930
05:39:28,510 --> 05:39:34,350
And with a small family run business, the idea was to go through a big expensive process

3931
05:39:34,350 --> 05:39:39,590
like this, would be a good time to take a long-term view as Zoning does too, right, to say what

3932
05:39:39,590 --> 05:39:40,810
makes sense in this area.

3933
05:39:40,830 --> 05:39:41,530
So we've done that.

3934
05:39:42,270 --> 05:39:48,150
I wanted to sort of quickly talk about the NCOD that applies currently as well as the

3935
05:39:48,150 --> 05:39:49,150
detached frontage.

3936
05:39:49,150 --> 05:39:54,510
Both of those would be mostly replaced with the urban general frontage that's proposed.

3937
05:39:55,250 --> 05:40:00,310
Because both the detached frontage and the North Boil and NCOD work very similarly.

3938
05:40:00,430 --> 05:40:01,910
They cover similar ground.

3939
05:40:02,010 --> 05:40:07,350
That North Boil and NCOD can be thought of as an early frontage designation with the exception

3940
05:40:07,350 --> 05:40:10,570
that it has a height limit as does the detached frontage.

3941
05:40:10,730 --> 05:40:14,750
So they cover similar ground about how the building faces and where it sits on the lot and where

3942
05:40:14,750 --> 05:40:16,790
the parking is and all that sort of thing.

3943
05:40:16,790 --> 05:40:22,230
And all of those factors being replaced with that urban general frontage doing very similar

3944
05:40:22,230 --> 05:40:24,990
work, the exception of course being that height.

3945
05:40:25,770 --> 05:40:30,730
And in addition to that use, well let's talk about the use first actually since this map

3946
05:40:30,730 --> 05:40:34,510
shows us why we chose to request the CX district.

3947
05:40:35,250 --> 05:40:40,190
Both the CX district which exists right across the corner there and the DX immediately across

3948
05:40:40,190 --> 05:40:45,490
the street would have permitted the theater use, but we see that CX does exist to the north

3949
05:40:45,490 --> 05:40:51,350
of us whereas DX does not. So we want the CX. It's the lowest one that gets that theater

3950
05:40:51,350 --> 05:40:56,290
use. So that's where we are with that. But why 12 stories? As you heard, there's not

3951
05:40:56,290 --> 05:41:02,050
really a plan to build 12 stories. In fact, these owners have put a lot of money into restoring

3952
05:41:02,050 --> 05:41:06,070
the building that they have to do environmental remediation on the building that they have.

3953
05:41:06,910 --> 05:41:11,210
So no immediate plan, but this is the current situation. This is the view from North Boil

3954
05:41:11,210 --> 05:41:15,910
Avenue of their entire block face, and you can see Lila over there on the right, allowed

3955
05:41:15,910 --> 05:41:20,030
to build approximately two and a half stories, depending on how you build it, with the rest

3956
05:41:20,030 --> 05:41:23,790
of their block face having ten stories owning, and that accounts for the zoning conditions

3957
05:41:23,790 --> 05:41:24,130
there.

3958
05:41:25,470 --> 05:41:30,730
And if we just look at that north-south stretch that exists between St. Mary's and North

3959
05:41:30,730 --> 05:41:36,050
Boylan, there are a number of examples of these taller heights, including immediately next

3960
05:41:36,050 --> 05:41:37,690
to the site there with those ten stories.

3961
05:41:37,690 --> 05:41:42,250
All of these designations that you see here, those all reflect the zoning conditions,

3962
05:41:42,450 --> 05:41:44,410
so they may not actually match what the map says.

3963
05:41:44,990 --> 05:41:46,930
They'll either match the map or be a little bit lower.

3964
05:41:48,230 --> 05:41:54,230
And then if we look from east to west, we see that drop off and we heard about the downtown

3965
05:41:54,230 --> 05:41:54,790
transition.

3966
05:41:55,090 --> 05:42:00,930
So we have our 40 stories, east of Glenwood, west of Glenwood, immediately across the street

3967
05:42:00,930 --> 05:42:06,050
from this site is 20 stories zoning, and then of course we have the 10 stories on the property

3968
05:42:06,050 --> 05:42:10,050
line adjacent to the south there. And that's why we thought that that 12-story district

3969
05:42:10,050 --> 05:42:14,210
would be the right sit here. Again, that's a long-term plan, just thinking that's what fits

3970
05:42:14,210 --> 05:42:19,890
in. However, you know, in going through the process, we're open to comments on that, we've

3971
05:42:19,890 --> 05:42:26,310
heard none. There simply hasn't been opposition to this proposal. So that's what we bring

3972
05:42:26,310 --> 05:42:29,150
before you today, and we are all happy to answer any questions that you have.

3973
05:42:29,150 --> 05:42:35,890
Okay. Thank you. Any questions? I will close the hearing.

3974
05:42:39,070 --> 05:42:40,330
I'm prepared to make a motion.

3975
05:42:40,770 --> 05:42:51,150
I'm just very pleased to see what can happen with this theater and I moved to adopt the proposed consistency statement dated August 18,

3976
05:42:51,530 --> 05:42:59,750
2026 contained in the agenda materials and to approve the zoning amendment with the adoption and effective dates described in the agenda item under recommended action.

3977
05:42:59,750 --> 05:43:06,730
This approval is also deemed an amendment to the future land use map to the extent described in the adopted consistency statement.

3978
05:43:08,710 --> 05:43:10,890
All right, all in favor of the motion aye.

3979
05:43:11,130 --> 05:43:11,350
Aye.

3980
05:43:11,670 --> 05:43:13,870
All opposed nay. That is unanimous. Congratulations.

3981
05:43:15,610 --> 05:43:17,050
We look forward to the theater.

3982
05:43:18,110 --> 05:43:18,630
Yeah.

3983
05:43:18,950 --> 05:43:20,290
Okay, next we got,

3984
05:43:20,290 --> 05:43:25,170
But comprehensive plan amendment 0126, old cruise road, Hanereco.

3985
05:43:29,120 --> 05:43:36,060
So CP126 is a request to amend map T1, the street plan, and the comprehensive plan.

3986
05:43:36,440 --> 05:43:41,760
It is a privately initiated request, and the request would amend the designation for

3987
05:43:41,760 --> 05:43:47,920
a quotient of old cruise road from Avenue 4 lane divided to Avenue 2 lane divided.

3988
05:43:49,300 --> 05:43:58,860
So, this segment is between Buffalo Road and Old Mill Burney Road up here,

3989
05:44:00,920 --> 05:44:03,000
and you can

3990
05:44:03,000 --> 05:44:09,820
see there are both solid lines and dotted lines in that segment, so this is a portion

3991
05:44:09,820 --> 05:44:15,340
of what existing street and then a proposed street that does not yet exist.

3992
05:44:15,340 --> 05:44:22,540
And the amendment would go, as I said, from the four-lane street escape, or sorry, avenue

3993
05:44:22,540 --> 05:44:26,060
type to two-lane divided avenue.

3994
05:44:28,680 --> 05:44:37,000
So this is in northeast Raleigh, you can see there's still fairly rural in this area,

3995
05:44:37,360 --> 05:44:43,020
some proposed developments in the pipeline around this site.

3996
05:44:44,140 --> 05:44:47,880
I'll hand it off to the transportation staff to provide a little more context.

3997
05:44:52,710 --> 05:44:54,070
Good afternoon, council.

3998
05:44:54,350 --> 05:44:56,830
This is Carter Robertson with the Transportation Department.

3999
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:29,780
The opportunity for us to right size our infrastructure for the future as development comes in. So this request is associated with the development of the Alderbrook subdivision. As they develop their site, they would be upgrading old cruise road along their frontage. They'd also be replacing an aging bridge that goes over Hodges, Mill Creek. So as today with the current street plan designation, the UDO would require them to upgrade old cruise to a

4000
05:45:29,780 --> 05:45:37,540
four-lane avenue. However, staff believe that this wide of a cross-section isn't warranted

4001
05:45:37,540 --> 05:45:43,680
and actually reducing it to a two-lane would come with several benefits, and I'll explain

4002
05:45:43,680 --> 05:45:49,980
those. But before getting into those benefits, I do just want to clarify, we are just looking

4003
05:45:49,980 --> 05:45:56,240
at that reduction from four lanes to two lanes on the stretch right now. We're not considering

4004
05:45:56,240 --> 05:45:59,140
changing the alignment with this request.

4005
05:46:01,920 --> 05:46:10,800
So, one thing we look at when we're considering the amount of lanes that are appropriate on a roadway is our street capacity guidance.

4006
05:46:11,500 --> 05:46:16,160
That's listed in the comprehensive plan. That's the table on the right of the screen.

4007
05:46:16,840 --> 05:46:24,380
And as you can see, a four-lane street is really meant to hold 15,000 to 35,000 vehicles per day.

4008
05:46:24,380 --> 05:46:38,240
It's a very wide cross section that's meant to facilitate a lot of throughput vehicle movement, but when we look at the historical data for old cruise road, the traffic volume is very low.

4009
05:46:38,700 --> 05:46:52,960
We have about 10 years of data. It's about 2,500 vehicles a day now and that's increased slightly since 2016. That was around 1,700 vehicles per day.

4010
05:46:52,960 --> 05:47:04,320
And when we look at our future projections in the Triangle Regional Model, in 2055, the daily traffic would still be under 10,000 vehicles per day.

4011
05:47:04,560 --> 05:47:17,920
So we think downgrading to a three-lane street would more than accommodate the current and the future traffic demand, three-lane street can hold up to 20,000 vehicles per day.

4012
05:47:17,920 --> 05:47:26,340
Okay, so on top of just the appropriateness of the section, I think there's a lot of

4013
05:47:26,340 --> 05:47:30,920
benefits to right sizing these roads as they come in.

4014
05:47:31,360 --> 05:47:37,600
On the left you'll see the four lane divided section and on the right the proposed cross

4015
05:47:37,600 --> 05:47:38,180
section.

4016
05:47:38,480 --> 05:47:44,000
And the big difference here other than just two additional lanes is ultimately that amount

4017
05:47:44,000 --> 05:47:46,100
of pavement that would be put in.

4018
05:47:46,560 --> 05:47:52,800
The two lane cross section is about 38 feet from back of curb to back of curb.

4019
05:47:53,400 --> 05:47:57,300
And this four lane section is 66 feet back of curb back to curb.

4020
05:47:57,780 --> 05:48:01,060
So that's about twice as much pavement going out there.

4021
05:48:01,340 --> 05:48:07,600
And when you think of that from a pedestrian standpoint, that's a lot longer of a distance

4022
05:48:07,600 --> 05:48:14,520
the cross and a lot more opportunities for conflict points with a vehicle, along with

4023
05:48:14,520 --> 05:48:20,600
the pedestrian safety impacts, that's a lot less impervious surface that we'd be putting down.

4024
05:48:21,100 --> 05:48:26,720
So less impacts on the current environment around Old Cruise Road.

4025
05:48:27,640 --> 05:48:35,780
And like I said before, this request is really going along with a private development and a

4026
05:48:35,780 --> 05:48:45,880
The key part of this conversation at site plan with NCDOT and the developer is the replacement of this aging bridge that goes over Hodges Mill.

4027
05:48:47,080 --> 05:49:01,700
When this is put in, it's going to serve this area for a long time and we think that right sizing and getting it right is going to be beneficial for those environmental impacts to the stream that it would be going under.

4028
05:49:02,500 --> 05:49:09,000
right now the UDO would require it to be very wide and we'd be reducing that

4029
05:49:09,000 --> 05:49:14,640
that overall cross-section going over the bridge so that's all I have for

4030
05:49:14,640 --> 05:49:18,820
right now I'll turn it back over to Hannah but I'll still be available for any

4031
05:49:18,820 --> 05:49:19,320
questions.

4032
05:49:24,240 --> 05:49:28,920
So this request like any other comprehensive plan amendment was

4033
05:49:28,920 --> 05:49:32,540
evaluated against the policies and the comprehensive plan. I'm here are some

4034
05:49:32,540 --> 05:49:39,420
Consistent policies, many of which Carter touched on, and then there were no inconsistent

4035
05:49:39,420 --> 05:49:42,140
policies identified with this particular request.

4036
05:49:43,200 --> 05:49:47,200
And then the Planning Commission did recommend approval unanimously, you can see the finding

4037
05:49:47,200 --> 05:49:47,660
here.

4038
05:49:50,440 --> 05:49:53,940
And both Carter and I are here to answer any questions you have.

4039
05:49:54,700 --> 05:49:54,840
Yeah.

4040
05:49:55,380 --> 05:49:56,360
Questions for staff?

4041
05:49:57,540 --> 05:50:03,860
I just wanted to make sure, so on the slide with the chart there and that's with highlighted

4042
05:50:03,860 --> 05:50:08,500
it in yellow. It calls it a three-lane street and in the packet, it refers to it as an avenue

4043
05:50:08,500 --> 05:50:13,680
two-lane divided. I want to make sure that's the same and just a different verbiage or something.

4044
05:50:13,740 --> 05:50:18,680
Yeah, it's just a different verbiage. If you look at the typical section column, it's at least one

4045
05:50:18,680 --> 05:50:24,380
lane in either direction with a median or a center turn lane. And so our two-lane divided cross-section,

4046
05:50:24,860 --> 05:50:29,860
you can either have a median or center turn lane as that divided element.

4047
05:50:29,860 --> 05:50:42,080
Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? Okay. Not, I will open the hearing and we have Gunner Gregory in support and then we have two folks signed up in opposition.

4048
05:50:42,660 --> 05:50:43,580
Mr. Gregory, yeah.

4049
05:50:47,190 --> 05:50:48,750
Are we doing eight minutes or?

4050
05:50:48,750 --> 05:50:49,730
This is for resigning.

4051
05:50:50,090 --> 05:50:51,410
Technically it's your prerogative.

4052
05:50:52,310 --> 05:50:53,710
It's four minutes enough.

4053
05:50:54,250 --> 05:50:54,690
Okay.

4054
05:50:55,670 --> 05:50:55,890
Okay.

4055
05:50:56,230 --> 05:50:58,430
Good afternoon.

4056
05:50:58,810 --> 05:51:00,950
Gunner Gregory on behalf of the applicant.

4057
05:51:01,890 --> 05:51:03,250
Carter stole all of my points.

4058
05:51:04,290 --> 05:51:06,210
So we'll go ahead and kind of skip through some of this here.

4059
05:51:07,110 --> 05:51:10,170
So as you mentioned, this would be reducing the cross-section

4060
05:51:10,170 --> 05:51:12,350
of Oak Ridge Road from Buffalo Road to Olma Bernie.

4061
05:51:13,050 --> 05:51:15,170
Our project experiments are highlighted in blue.

4062
05:51:15,170 --> 05:51:19,850
Although the reduction would go for the entire section of roadway.

4063
05:51:21,450 --> 05:51:25,170
As Carter mentioned, we go from the Avenue 4 lane to the Avenue 2 lane divided.

4064
05:51:26,810 --> 05:51:30,310
A couple of reasons for this amendment, the 2050 projected traffic volumes.

4065
05:51:30,510 --> 05:51:32,250
Not meet that warrant for 4 lane section.

4066
05:51:32,890 --> 05:51:36,790
This is a role in residential area in the 2 lane divided section.

4067
05:51:37,150 --> 05:51:43,570
More closely matches those land uses and then support from the city, Campo and NCDOT.

4068
05:51:45,730 --> 05:51:51,350
The reduced section will also help to minimize, skip this one.

4069
05:51:51,790 --> 05:51:55,670
There we go, environmental impacts have less impacts to days and

4070
05:51:55,670 --> 05:52:05,490
property owners that will promote alternative transportation by providing both pedestrian and bicycle facilities and is fully funded by private development along with public funds to address other transportation concerns.

4071
05:52:06,470 --> 05:52:09,010
Thank you, happy to answer any questions.

4072
05:52:09,010 --> 05:52:10,750
Okay, thank you.

4073
05:52:11,330 --> 05:52:11,850
Right?

4074
05:52:12,290 --> 05:52:15,650
If there's no questions, we'll call up Linda Perrier and Paul Bear.

4075
05:52:20,180 --> 05:52:21,800
Are they in the audience?

4076
05:52:23,060 --> 05:52:23,580
Okay.

4077
05:52:24,180 --> 05:52:25,140
Are you Mr. Bear?

4078
05:52:25,380 --> 05:52:25,460
Yes.

4079
05:52:25,640 --> 05:52:25,840
Okay.

4080
05:52:29,720 --> 05:52:30,620
Good afternoon.

4081
05:52:31,220 --> 05:52:32,500
My name is Paul Bear.

4082
05:52:33,060 --> 05:52:34,000
I'm opposed to this.

4083
05:52:34,080 --> 05:52:36,360
You're destroying the character, the area.

4084
05:52:38,560 --> 05:52:40,500
Old Mill Burney and old cruise roads.

4085
05:52:41,100 --> 05:52:41,900
This is country.

4086
05:52:42,620 --> 05:52:43,660
I moved out there.

4087
05:52:43,880 --> 05:52:44,880
I bought 13 acres.

4088
05:52:44,880 --> 05:52:53,180
the maps are a little confusing because they still show a proposed part of old

4089
05:52:53,180 --> 05:52:58,720
cruise road going through my house. I don't know why when cold springs was

4090
05:52:58,720 --> 05:53:04,220
approved the map should have been changed. You're not going to go through cold

4091
05:53:04,220 --> 05:53:10,040
springs development with this. They're stopping before that. Old cruise road now

4092
05:53:10,040 --> 05:53:15,760
looks like it was developed through a planning commission or planning department from a kindergarten

4093
05:53:15,760 --> 05:53:22,740
class. It's wide, it's narrow, it's wide, it's narrow. There's going to be accidents on the

4094
05:53:22,740 --> 05:53:28,780
southern part of Old Cruz Road because it narrows down and it goes into a roadery. This section

4095
05:53:29,580 --> 05:53:37,320
stops. They're going to widen the road divided and then it narrows back down and you're talking

4096
05:53:37,320 --> 05:53:43,780
about bicycle lanes. Where do you go after the road goes back to a very narrow point in

4097
05:53:43,780 --> 05:53:51,520
the road? You approved a development over there that same developer got rejected from

4098
05:53:51,520 --> 05:53:52,080
Wendell.

4099
05:53:54,340 --> 05:54:00,560
The planning commission here, this is a corrupt system. You appoint the planning

4100
05:54:00,560 --> 05:54:06,780
commission members who all vote to approve everything. Comes here, you approve it, the

4101
05:54:06,780 --> 05:54:10,080
The developers give campaign contributions and everything gets approved.

4102
05:54:10,800 --> 05:54:16,800
You're ignoring the fire departments recommendations or lack thereof because you're building houses

4103
05:54:16,800 --> 05:54:20,360
where you don't have fire protection and you approve it.

4104
05:54:20,880 --> 05:54:26,500
That to me is gross negligence, which you're going to pay the price in the future.

4105
05:54:27,180 --> 05:54:33,640
The same thing with these developments with this road section where it's going to cause

4106
05:54:33,640 --> 05:54:38,060
accidents and a good attorney is going to be able to come and say why did you approve

4107
05:54:38,060 --> 05:54:43,540
this? You narrowed a road where all of a sudden they're on a two-lane road divided and

4108
05:54:43,540 --> 05:54:49,120
now it's back to a little country road and the developers doing just enough to get it approved,

4109
05:54:49,400 --> 05:54:56,880
make their millions and disappear. They're gone and the local residents are foot-footing

4110
05:54:56,880 --> 05:55:02,980
the bill when this is over with. If you're looking at a curfew, do a curfew on

4111
05:55:02,980 --> 05:55:09,000
developers and on development and stop this, you're trying to make this place

4112
05:55:09,000 --> 05:55:14,100
look like San Jose, California. I've lived there. I've worked there. And this is

4113
05:55:14,100 --> 05:55:18,260
what you're doing to this place. When I first moved here, I drove by Wendell

4114
05:55:18,260 --> 05:55:23,560
Falls. I almost had a heart attack. I cannot believe you're doing this to this

4115
05:55:23,560 --> 05:55:23,920
area.

4116
05:55:29,620 --> 05:55:35,980
People are left to hold the bill and put up with the traffic. The traffic department,

4117
05:55:36,120 --> 05:55:41,600
the people, traffic engineers, have you been down Buffalo Road? I guess you're not going

4118
05:55:41,600 --> 05:55:47,120
to get an award for that traffic disaster and more development and more development on

4119
05:55:47,120 --> 05:55:53,840
Buffalo Road, old cruise road, forestville road. You're not planning anything other than

4120
05:55:53,840 --> 05:55:58,940
a disaster, even a beagle knows enough to not the crap in its own bowl.

4121
05:55:59,460 --> 05:56:00,080
Thank you.

4122
05:56:02,200 --> 05:56:03,120
Thank you.

4123
05:56:04,540 --> 05:56:05,780
Close that hearing.

4124
05:56:06,460 --> 05:56:10,520
Any questions for the petitioner or the Mr. Bear?

4125
05:56:10,820 --> 05:56:11,460
Move for approval.

4126
05:56:11,920 --> 05:56:11,980
All right.

4127
05:56:12,840 --> 05:56:13,560
Thank you.

4128
05:56:14,200 --> 05:56:14,620
All right.

4129
05:56:14,760 --> 05:56:15,740
Any other discussion?

4130
05:56:16,600 --> 05:56:17,520
All in favor?

4131
05:56:17,820 --> 05:56:18,000
Aye.

4132
05:56:18,860 --> 05:56:19,720
All opposed, nay.

4133
05:56:20,260 --> 05:56:21,280
That is unanimous.

4134
05:56:21,540 --> 05:56:21,720
All right.

4135
05:56:22,000 --> 05:56:22,400
Thank you.

4136
05:56:22,400 --> 05:56:29,180
Final case is TC-126 School Lot Amendment and that is with Justin Remetta.

4137
05:56:31,680 --> 05:56:32,700
Good afternoon again.

4138
05:56:37,540 --> 05:56:39,420
I don't think we want to talk about takehairs again.

4139
05:56:42,600 --> 05:56:43,440
We already did that one.

4140
05:56:43,860 --> 05:56:44,500
I

4141
05:57:29,210 --> 05:57:31,650
can go ahead and get started while we look for the presentation.

4142
05:57:36,120 --> 05:57:42,820
This is public hearing for text change TC-126 related to lot sizes for schools.

4143
05:57:42,820 --> 05:57:56,800
This was a citizen petitioned text amendment that would amend the 500 square foot per enrollee minimum lot size requirement for schools.

4144
05:57:58,200 --> 05:58:07,290
So the request was filed back in December of 2025, authorized by Council on February of this year.

4145
05:58:07,290 --> 05:58:14,710
The planning commission did vote to recommend unanimous approval on June 9th of this year.

4146
05:58:21,440 --> 05:58:27,760
So this 500-square-foot lot size per enrollee requirement has been around for some time.

4147
05:58:28,770 --> 05:58:35,240
Prior to the adoption of the UDO in 2013, it was only applicable to private and

4148
05:58:35,240 --> 05:58:37,460
progeal schools when the UDO was adopted.

4149
05:58:37,460 --> 05:58:44,440
the regulations for all schools were aligned, and so since 2013 that requirement has been

4150
05:58:44,440 --> 05:58:53,860
in place for all schools with the exception of a text change in 2017 that carved out the DX district.

4151
05:58:54,160 --> 05:58:58,760
So since 2017 has applied everywhere except DX zoning.

4152
05:59:05,360 --> 05:59:07,840
Here is the existing regulation and question.

4153
05:59:07,840 --> 05:59:13,940
in the youth standard for schools, again 500 square feet per enrolled pupil with the exception of the ex-district.

4154
05:59:18,060 --> 05:59:25,080
In addition to those youth standards, there are just the regular site design controls that would apply for all schools as well.

4155
05:59:25,680 --> 05:59:33,440
There are protective yards and buffers in residential areas, the same that apply to daycares that we talked about earlier.

4156
05:59:33,820 --> 05:59:39,500
The same neighborhood transitions would apply in mixed youth districts where a school is adjacent to a residential district.

4157
05:59:39,500 --> 05:59:45,580
or residential use. There are also broader UDO standards like parking, landscaping

4158
05:59:45,580 --> 05:59:50,600
requirements, screening, environmental protection, outdoor menacea area, again

4159
05:59:50,600 --> 05:59:54,420
that would apply globally to all schools in addition to those use standards.

4160
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:27,000
That you just talked about extensively in your last case, so I will skip over that. We also have the street design manual that will govern how a school connects to the transportation network, things like travel spacing, sidewalk and street improvements, schools require traffic impact analysis so there could be improvements required for schools as well, right away dedication, traffic control, streets, streets of improvements, et cetera.

4161
06:00:31,740 --> 06:00:33,980
So all that being said, the applicant

4162
06:00:33,980 --> 06:00:45,540
is proposing to leave the minimum lot size per enrollee requirement in place with the exception

4163
06:00:45,540 --> 06:00:55,400
of when a site is located in both a mixed use district and is not adjacent to a property zone

4164
06:00:55,400 --> 06:01:03,960
R124 or 6. So in all other cases that requirement would continue to apply in a case where a school

4165
06:01:03,960 --> 06:01:07,940
was proposed in a mixed use district, and the law was not adjacent to residential.

4166
06:01:09,640 --> 06:01:11,680
That requirement would be waived.

4167
06:01:16,340 --> 06:01:17,880
I'm happy to answer any questions you have.

4168
06:01:18,020 --> 06:01:23,300
I think the applicant, yes, Hunter is still here if you have questions for him as well.

4169
06:01:25,850 --> 06:01:25,950
Okay.

4170
06:01:26,230 --> 06:01:27,190
Yep, Councillor Patten.

4171
06:01:27,850 --> 06:01:27,950
Yeah.

4172
06:01:28,130 --> 06:01:28,210
Hi.

4173
06:01:28,910 --> 06:01:36,610
When we first undertook this, there was discussion of being in frequent transit areas, which

4174
06:01:36,610 --> 06:01:38,450
is not reflected in the final form.

4175
06:01:38,550 --> 06:01:39,310
Can you speak to that?

4176
06:01:39,310 --> 06:01:50,490
Sure. Yes, so the initial application was to have that carve out for properties in the frequent transit areas.

4177
06:01:51,250 --> 06:02:06,110
Staff raised some concerns that with the upcoming rewrite of the comprehensive plan, we wanted to avoid terms that may be changed, rewritten, or may not exist in the future that would require than a further additional tax amendment.

4178
06:02:06,110 --> 06:02:17,030
So the closest kind of analogous standard we came up with with the applicant was just using that mixed use district, not adjacent to residential.

4179
06:02:17,930 --> 06:02:27,250
Okay. And did you consider it all like if the spirit was to be to allow these more this more flexibility on transit corridors.

4180
06:02:27,250 --> 06:02:36,290
We consider like having it be like a TOD designation would be the thing that enables us because that's in the UDO and not the comp plan.

4181
06:02:41,060 --> 06:02:43,400
I don't know if it was specifically discussed.

4182
06:02:47,380 --> 06:02:56,460
If certainly there are many properties with the TOD overlay that are also mixed use zoning, that is one way that it could be done as well.

4183
06:02:56,460 --> 06:03:01,000
Well, it would likely significantly reduce the area where this would be applicable,

4184
06:03:01,000 --> 06:03:06,840
but that would get at the spirit of trying to avoid term solely in the comp plan.

4185
06:03:07,220 --> 06:03:07,260
Yes.

4186
06:03:07,640 --> 06:03:07,800
Yeah.

4187
06:03:08,320 --> 06:03:08,600
Got it.

4188
06:03:08,820 --> 06:03:16,320
And then when other kind of set of questions I have is around just like, you know,

4189
06:03:16,400 --> 06:03:21,360
if we create this greater flexibility in our zoning code, the public and charter schools

4190
06:03:21,360 --> 06:03:28,480
will still be bound by policy guidance by NCDPI or a weak county school board or whatever,

4191
06:03:29,740 --> 06:03:36,360
but religious and private schools, I don't think of any sort of other governance.

4192
06:03:37,140 --> 06:03:41,920
And so we were kind of the last line of defense, so while I can have, I can hold some space

4193
06:03:41,920 --> 06:03:49,720
for like a retrofitted wall grains right on a bus line making sense, but like how do we make

4194
06:03:49,720 --> 06:03:54,120
kids crammed into every corner such that they might impact their learning, is there any?

4195
06:03:54,580 --> 06:04:01,120
Yeah, so I think the back, there's a life safety backstop with the building code and

4196
06:04:01,120 --> 06:04:04,780
fire code relating to occupancy to avoid overcrowding and those sorts of things.

4197
06:04:06,200 --> 06:04:11,020
That is one way, and then I think the planning commission did have some discussion on this,

4198
06:04:11,100 --> 06:04:18,180
or at least the text change committee did, and felt that those existing standards, just the general site design standards.

4199
06:04:18,740 --> 06:04:25,580
things like outdoor amenity area requirements, et cetera, would still apply regardless of the type of school.

4200
06:04:26,180 --> 06:04:30,440
And so they felt that that would effectively mitigate any of those types of concerns.

4201
06:04:30,800 --> 06:04:33,240
Okay, what are the outdoor amenity requirements?

4202
06:04:34,260 --> 06:04:40,600
It would be 10% of the site size would have to be dedicated,

4203
06:04:40,600 --> 06:04:45,560
an outdoor amenities space for you, so in this case, children.

4204
06:04:46,620 --> 06:04:48,460
10% of the site area.

4205
06:04:49,860 --> 06:04:51,440
One question.

4206
06:04:51,600 --> 06:04:51,680
Yeah.

4207
06:04:52,920 --> 06:04:58,600
How many with the restriction of not being adjacent to any of our

4208
06:04:58,600 --> 06:05:00,600
residential outside of our tin?

4209
06:05:02,200 --> 06:05:07,200
How many properties does this really open up for this?

4210
06:05:15,460 --> 06:05:16,740
So here,

4211
06:05:20,720 --> 06:05:26,700
okay, so in purple we have mixed-use zoning, yellow is the R1246.

4212
06:05:29,660 --> 06:05:39,640
So of all of the mixed-use, looking at mixed-use properties that do not, but those residential

4213
06:05:39,640 --> 06:05:50,340
social zoning districts, you'd look at approximately almost 12,000 parcels that would be potentially eligible to not have to comply with that.

4214
06:05:51,620 --> 06:05:57,880
And it's really properties in the middle of the mid-shoes, basically.

4215
06:05:58,420 --> 06:05:58,940
That's right.

4216
06:06:00,900 --> 06:06:01,680
Thank you.

4217
06:06:03,830 --> 06:06:04,930
Other questions for staff?

4218
06:06:05,970 --> 06:06:12,290
Okay, I will open up the public hearing and we have Hunter Winstead in support and in opposition.

4219
06:06:12,290 --> 06:06:16,910
We have Larissa Greene and what we're doing for, yeah.

4220
06:06:21,160 --> 06:06:23,340
Good afternoon. One more time, Mayor Cal. Council members.

4221
06:06:23,460 --> 06:06:26,760
No, no, Wednesday morning, start longer. This is my last case today. I think it's everybody's last case today.

4222
06:06:27,020 --> 06:06:27,980
It's everybody's last time.

4223
06:06:29,540 --> 06:06:35,140
So we certainly appreciate everybody's attention and bearing with us. On a long day, this is one as Mr.

4224
06:06:35,300 --> 06:06:40,040
Mehta mentioned that this text change really aimed at expanding the current exemption to the city's urban areas.

4225
06:06:40,160 --> 06:06:42,060
And so transit to council member patents.

4226
06:06:42,060 --> 06:06:46,460
questions, certainly a piece of that, but really the focus on those urban areas, which

4227
06:06:46,460 --> 06:06:48,740
is why we think time to the zoning makes sense as well.

4228
06:06:48,940 --> 06:06:52,980
I won't walk through all the language a little bit of the why this tech change is here.

4229
06:06:53,520 --> 06:06:58,140
We've had several folks come to us looking to put schools in some of the city's more urban

4230
06:06:58,140 --> 06:06:58,520
areas.

4231
06:06:58,680 --> 06:07:04,340
And this is one of these kind of strange provisions in the code that inhibits that sighting

4232
06:07:04,340 --> 06:07:08,500
of these smaller, more walkable schools in these mixed use more urban areas.

4233
06:07:08,500 --> 06:07:12,700
is it's really a suburban type style to link a lot area

4234
06:07:12,700 --> 06:07:16,500
to the enrollment piece of how many students can be enrolled

4235
06:07:16,500 --> 06:07:17,740
in a given school.

4236
06:07:18,160 --> 06:07:21,280
The few of the reasons is to why this case makes sense to us.

4237
06:07:21,980 --> 06:07:23,880
Reason number one, smaller walkable schools

4238
06:07:23,880 --> 06:07:25,760
really foster stronger communities.

4239
06:07:26,420 --> 06:07:28,720
And this is just a few of those comprehensive plan policies

4240
06:07:28,720 --> 06:07:30,640
that speak to that point is the ability

4241
06:07:30,640 --> 06:07:32,740
to have a smaller school that's walkable,

4242
06:07:33,220 --> 06:07:35,580
that you can get to on foot in five minutes

4243
06:07:35,580 --> 06:07:40,460
So it really helps foster the community around the school, advancing those comprehensive plan policies.

4244
06:07:41,240 --> 06:07:45,440
Reason number two, there's no reason that schools need to be limited to suburban context.

4245
06:07:45,740 --> 06:07:49,120
Specifically, school access should be accessible for folks in the urban areas of the city too.

4246
06:07:49,700 --> 06:07:54,240
What maybe one of the unintended consequences of a lot area requirement like this is that

4247
06:07:54,240 --> 06:07:58,720
pushes schools out of the city to the more edges of the city, where those suburban areas are,

4248
06:07:58,820 --> 06:08:02,000
because that's where all the large sites are, where you can put more students and

4249
06:08:02,000 --> 06:08:05,440
have that law area sufficient under this 500 square foot requirement.

4250
06:08:06,220 --> 06:08:10,360
And then reason number three, the size of a lot really should not prevent easier access

4251
06:08:10,360 --> 06:08:12,560
to education in those urban areas.

4252
06:08:12,580 --> 06:08:17,060
Again, this is focused on enhancing access to education for the folks for the students

4253
06:08:17,060 --> 06:08:18,620
that live in those more urban areas.

4254
06:08:18,660 --> 06:08:20,360
It's really what this application is aimed at.

4255
06:08:21,300 --> 06:08:25,240
And with that, also down on this last case and respectfully request that the council approve

4256
06:08:25,240 --> 06:08:26,000
this take change.

4257
06:08:26,260 --> 06:08:27,260
Happy to answer any questions?

4258
06:08:27,860 --> 06:08:27,980
Okay.

4259
06:08:28,340 --> 06:08:28,540
Thank you.

4260
06:08:28,760 --> 06:08:29,900
Questions from Mr. Winstead?

4261
06:08:30,920 --> 06:08:31,360
Okay.

4262
06:08:31,360 --> 06:08:32,700
If not, we will invite Ms. Green.

4263
06:08:46,040 --> 06:08:47,760
Hello Madam Mayor and Council members.

4264
06:08:48,400 --> 06:08:51,320
I know a lot has gone on with this text change before this point.

4265
06:08:51,480 --> 06:09:01,640
And honestly, I don't oppose this change because it seems to specifically allow schools to be built in mixed-use zoning without meeting the standard lot size.

4266
06:09:02,120 --> 06:09:04,560
I am a supporter of school choice.

4267
06:09:05,200 --> 06:09:08,400
I am here to ensure this change isn't misused.

4268
06:09:08,400 --> 06:09:15,400
What we do not want to see is all new schools being built with smaller lot standards.

4269
06:09:15,900 --> 06:09:20,980
We do not want all new schools in downtown or mixed use areas to have different access

4270
06:09:20,980 --> 06:09:23,660
to open space or natural environments.

4271
06:09:24,200 --> 06:09:30,320
We need to recognize that school lot size benefits safety and allows classroom activities to

4272
06:09:30,320 --> 06:09:32,040
occasionally move outside the building.

4273
06:09:32,040 --> 06:09:47,220
As our city grows, we have less space to develop, and we need to make sure policy is intentional about protecting what we have while it potentially allows new development to differ from existing standards.

4274
06:09:47,860 --> 06:09:55,240
In the news right now, there is active discussion about a land swap between school property for affordable housing.

4275
06:09:55,620 --> 06:10:00,000
It appears that this policy change is not associated with that land swap.

4276
06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:07,060
But it is leadership's accountability to make sure there is transparency in public land use so

4277
06:10:07,060 --> 06:10:11,380
that people clearly understand changes to policy affecting the future as a whole picture.

4278
06:10:11,980 --> 06:10:18,500
Right now, the county reports five schools that are potentially swapping open space,

4279
06:10:19,000 --> 06:10:20,700
one of which is in the rally limits.

4280
06:10:21,040 --> 06:10:26,280
Also in the news is new school being built in the city gateway development.

4281
06:10:26,280 --> 06:10:34,340
Please ensure this reduction in school lots standards does not pressure schools open space into being swapped for development.

4282
06:10:34,900 --> 06:10:41,140
Please make sure that this reduction in school lots standards does not lead to an overall different school experience for

4283
06:10:41,140 --> 06:10:45,020
those attending school in a mixed use area versus a residential area.

4284
06:10:45,420 --> 06:10:52,040
Policy change that allows something to occur and resulting changes must both be considered.

4285
06:10:52,400 --> 06:10:52,740
Thank you.

4286
06:10:52,740 --> 06:10:53,400
All

4287
06:10:56,250 --> 06:10:58,170
right, I will close the hearing.

4288
06:11:07,960 --> 06:11:13,940
Okay, I move to approve, text change, TC-126.

4289
06:11:14,620 --> 06:11:15,220
Second.

4290
06:11:16,950 --> 06:11:18,130
Is there any discussion?

4291
06:11:19,230 --> 06:11:20,630
All in favor of that motion, aye.

4292
06:11:21,030 --> 06:11:21,350
Aye.

4293
06:11:21,630 --> 06:11:22,090
All opposed?

4294
06:11:23,050 --> 06:11:25,230
I'm sorry, we need a de-consistency statement.

4295
06:11:25,630 --> 06:11:27,390
Oh, for a texture.

4296
06:11:27,550 --> 06:11:28,390
Okay, well,

4297
06:11:37,020 --> 06:11:38,020
I'm sorry to adopt.

4298
06:11:38,680 --> 06:11:40,460
I'm fine, you could read it.

4299
06:11:40,460 --> 06:11:47,080
No, I have a different question, sorry, I have actual discussion, I just had to get my mind wrapped around it, sorry everyone.

4300
06:11:48,560 --> 06:11:54,460
I think for me, I would prefer if we tighten this up a little bit.

4301
06:11:55,320 --> 06:12:05,480
I mean, some of the areas that are included are not walkable and so for creating more flexibility so that we can have more walkable schools.

4302
06:12:05,480 --> 06:12:10,420
some of the areas included like Barr Creek and Wayfield are not that and I wonder if we can

4303
06:12:12,300 --> 06:12:18,340
like make this related to the TOD or something that speaks to the spirit of like dance walkable

4304
06:12:18,340 --> 06:12:24,620
communities like I can imagine retrofitting places where kids can hop on the bus and go to one of

4305
06:12:24,620 --> 06:12:30,660
our amazing public parks or something but it feels like too loose for me right now. Would anyone be

4306
06:12:30,660 --> 06:12:37,140
open to them. I would prefer to just vote vote it up. I mean, I just see if how it goes and if you

4307
06:12:38,220 --> 06:12:44,900
I'm good with it, but well I haven't pulled up now. I move to adoptive repulsed consistently

4308
06:12:44,900 --> 06:12:51,180
statement dated August 18, 2026, contained the genometriol and approve the zoning text amendment.

4309
06:12:51,800 --> 06:12:59,950
Second. All right, all in favor of the motion aye. All opposed. All right, so now we have the

4310
06:12:59,950 --> 06:13:00,930
six, two, so.

4311
06:13:02,330 --> 06:13:06,590
All right, that concludes our public hearings.

4312
06:13:08,570 --> 06:13:13,090
Next, we have a report and recommendation of the committees.

4313
06:13:13,390 --> 06:13:15,750
There are no reports and then we have report of the mayor

4314
06:13:15,750 --> 06:13:16,490
and city council.

4315
06:13:16,730 --> 06:13:18,990
I will start with Bayer-Protein Harrison.

4316
06:13:23,210 --> 06:13:27,250
Well, I do want to just speak to some recent events

4317
06:13:27,250 --> 06:13:31,450
that have been I think a lot of our community's mind.

4318
06:13:31,450 --> 06:13:36,910
And, you know, we certainly, as a council and as the city were heartbroken this weekend

4319
06:13:36,910 --> 06:13:42,530
over the death of a young man downtown, I want to thank our first responders who handled

4320
06:13:42,530 --> 06:13:47,970
the situation professionally and investigated the incident as quickly as they could and I'd

4321
06:13:47,970 --> 06:13:51,530
like to ask for a moment of silence to honor this man's life.

4322
06:14:02,180 --> 06:14:02,600
Thank you.

4323
06:14:02,740 --> 06:14:07,300
We have a lot to do when it comes to mental health and I want to make sure that we have the

4324
06:14:07,300 --> 06:14:11,520
resources to assist folks whenever they are looking for it.

4325
06:14:11,780 --> 06:14:14,520
So reach out if someone is struggling that you know.

4326
06:14:15,220 --> 06:14:18,600
Please do, please help them as much as you can.

4327
06:14:19,120 --> 06:14:24,960
I'd also like to mention there was a data center annexation case

4328
06:14:24,960 --> 06:14:28,500
that was withdrawn, and I think what would be helpful for

4329
06:14:28,500 --> 06:14:34,340
the public is to have a summary of our process for determining

4330
06:14:34,340 --> 06:14:37,360
whether a data center can be cited in Raleigh.

4331
06:14:37,880 --> 06:14:42,020
We had a very helpful work session in June that described our process,

4332
06:14:42,060 --> 06:14:44,020
but I don't know that many people watch that.

4333
06:14:44,760 --> 06:14:50,460
I would like in a City Manager's report to have that information just summarized,

4334
06:14:50,580 --> 06:14:54,600
you know, very succinctly, perhaps says some kind of, you know,

4335
06:14:54,600 --> 06:14:57,120
to digest diagram, a process chart, and a process chart, and a process chart, and a process

4336
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:25,940
Annaxation or rezoning. Sometimes it's going to be simply a special use permit with the Board of Adjustments. So I just want to ensure that we all understand how this process currently works. And then also how are the public made aware of these Board of Adjustment hearings if we are to have one. And then how is council made aware. So thank you for any updates on that. And I know I had spoken to Pat about that.

4337
06:15:25,940 --> 06:15:31,720
So appreciate, I really appreciate staff just helping to inform our community when these

4338
06:15:31,720 --> 06:15:34,540
are coming so they're not a surprise to anyone.

4339
06:15:34,900 --> 06:15:35,260
Thank you.

4340
06:15:36,520 --> 06:15:39,000
Definitely, I'm glad to be back.

4341
06:15:39,380 --> 06:15:47,120
The last weekend has been a very challenging weekend for our city, for our community, and

4342
06:15:47,120 --> 06:15:52,940
I'll just be blamed, especially, be very transparent, especially for people of color, with everything

4343
06:15:52,940 --> 06:15:58,020
that has happened based historically and the incident that we recently had.

4344
06:15:58,560 --> 06:16:04,320
One question I do have for staff is I'm still getting messages about people trying to

4345
06:16:04,320 --> 06:16:05,280
seek information.

4346
06:16:05,720 --> 06:16:13,880
Is there a point of contact or so where I can direct them to, for those questions, I understand

4347
06:16:13,880 --> 06:16:19,700
the sensitivity of this issue and this matter, but I am being contacted and I need to figure

4348
06:16:19,700 --> 06:16:27,280
out how to better provide a response to them other than I have to wait.

4349
06:16:27,780 --> 06:16:32,060
The only thing I would say is point them in the direction of the public statements that

4350
06:16:32,060 --> 06:16:36,820
we have issued and they should be on our website is still an active investigation into the

4351
06:16:36,820 --> 06:16:42,040
medical examiner's report comes back finalize we got a preliminary notification yesterday

4352
06:16:42,040 --> 06:16:47,360
but it may take some time according to RPD when we get the official report in hand and so

4353
06:16:47,360 --> 06:16:51,660
So we're not at liberty to discuss or say anything else to that effect.

4354
06:16:52,000 --> 06:16:56,160
So what we've already said, we're okay with saying that.

4355
06:16:56,280 --> 06:17:00,680
So I would encourage you to send folks to RPD site because they have the same statements

4356
06:17:00,680 --> 06:17:02,040
issued or the city's website.

4357
06:17:02,480 --> 06:17:02,640
Okay.

4358
06:17:02,860 --> 06:17:03,000
Okay.

4359
06:17:03,140 --> 06:17:03,660
Thank you.

4360
06:17:04,120 --> 06:17:12,680
And on a hopefully more uplifting note, this coming Friday to the best high schools in the

4361
06:17:12,680 --> 06:17:15,140
country in low high school and

4362
06:17:15,140 --> 06:17:17,100
Southeast Raleigh High School play

4363
06:17:17,100 --> 06:17:18,280
each other in the Southside

4364
06:17:18,280 --> 06:17:19,580
Classic. I know we have some

4365
06:17:19,580 --> 06:17:21,720
brought in grads down there and

4366
06:17:21,720 --> 06:17:24,180
everything. But this this coming

4367
06:17:24,180 --> 06:17:26,580
Friday, please come out, support

4368
06:17:26,580 --> 06:17:30,220
our young people. Be present. I

4369
06:17:30,220 --> 06:17:31,300
look forward to being out there.

4370
06:17:31,400 --> 06:17:33,080
I know counselor Ford will be out

4371
06:17:33,080 --> 06:17:35,440
there as well for the seven o'clock

4372
06:17:35,440 --> 06:17:37,840
game with her brought in gear at

4373
06:17:37,840 --> 06:17:39,900
a southeast Raleigh High School

4374
06:17:39,900 --> 06:17:41,760
in low high school basketball

4375
06:17:41,760 --> 06:17:50,060
That's a football game, but other than that, please y'all be just be kind, be respectful.

4376
06:17:50,540 --> 06:17:55,400
There's a lot that people are dealing with that people don't always show.

4377
06:17:56,140 --> 06:17:56,580
Thank you.

4378
06:17:58,610 --> 06:17:59,570
Just a few updates.

4379
06:18:00,070 --> 06:18:05,430
Our next District E Community Meeting will be held on September 9th from 6 to 8 p.m. at

4380
06:18:05,430 --> 06:18:06,850
La Cucina Italian Restaurant.

4381
06:18:07,590 --> 06:18:12,590
And then our Decoding Democracy Book Club has moved locations to the Continental in District

4382
06:18:12,590 --> 06:18:19,730
be. Our next meeting will be Saturday, September 12th, from 9.30 to 11.30 am. We will finally be

4383
06:18:19,730 --> 06:18:26,710
finishing up chapter two and moving on to chapter three. And then lastly, I have both of my daughters

4384
06:18:26,710 --> 06:18:32,790
now entering middle school on the 24th. And so I just want to give all students as we enter the

4385
06:18:32,790 --> 06:18:37,530
next school year. Blessings and good luck. I hope it is a great year. Thank you.

4386
06:18:37,530 --> 06:18:48,720
Yeah, and I would just say I would also just say a prayer for the man who died and I will say obviously very tragic circumstances for him and his family.

4387
06:18:49,180 --> 06:18:58,120
I will say it's probably some of the most ugliest episode I have experienced in my service in public office for 17 years.

4388
06:18:58,300 --> 06:19:04,740
Some of the horrific accusations that were made towards our staff, this council.

4389
06:19:04,740 --> 06:19:12,540
I was just really, really ugly and it's just scary that beyond the pain that this young

4390
06:19:12,540 --> 06:19:18,080
man had, right, what is surfaced in our society and the behavior.

4391
06:19:18,440 --> 06:19:25,980
So I will just say, you know, I'm processing it through myself, but it was just a very difficult

4392
06:19:25,980 --> 06:19:30,880
weekend for many reasons, so just stating that.

4393
06:19:31,820 --> 06:19:37,340
I first want to thank the city manager and staff for the anti-displacement policy.

4394
06:19:37,680 --> 06:19:39,040
I picked at it.

4395
06:19:39,120 --> 06:19:43,760
I couldn't read all of it, but thank you so much for making that happen.

4396
06:19:44,440 --> 06:19:50,860
I do want to echo comments from my colleagues that it was a very painful chapter.

4397
06:19:51,660 --> 06:19:57,360
All of us, including ourselves, I'm sure have had mental health issues or mental health crisis.

4398
06:19:57,360 --> 06:20:03,820
And, you know, one thing we could all do, yes, there are resources, but reach out, check

4399
06:20:03,820 --> 06:20:06,880
on people, neighbors, family, and friends.

4400
06:20:08,020 --> 06:20:11,260
There are signs, but people don't often say something.

4401
06:20:12,080 --> 06:20:18,780
And so I too agree that we're in this state of very divisive politics, a language that

4402
06:20:18,780 --> 06:20:22,240
we use that is intended to hurt and harm individuals.

4403
06:20:22,240 --> 06:20:37,620
We can't control that, but it is my hope that we speak to people with empathy, with integrity, because like the Mayor, I struggle that you're now hurting other people's mental stability by speaking off of people that had a mental health crisis.

4404
06:20:37,900 --> 06:20:46,920
It just doesn't square. And so it is my hope that we could all do our part, recognize that there are teams that have come out of the COVID period.

4405
06:20:46,920 --> 06:20:53,060
the Black Lives Matter and what people have witnessed years and years and decades of trauma.

4406
06:20:53,720 --> 06:20:58,460
So it's my hope that we will change the way we have discourse with one another.

4407
06:20:58,880 --> 06:21:00,160
We could agree to disagree.

4408
06:21:00,800 --> 06:21:04,400
We all get along on this council, but we don't always agree on everything.

4409
06:21:04,880 --> 06:21:10,800
But it's my hope that we could change the civil discourse to be empathetic, respectful, and

4410
06:21:10,800 --> 06:21:14,120
really start to lift people up rather than push them down.

4411
06:21:14,120 --> 06:21:23,000
So that is my hope and to me, I want to make sure this tragic death that we wake up and recognize that mental health crisis across this country.

4412
06:21:23,160 --> 06:21:26,860
We talk about it and we just say call this number.

4413
06:21:26,960 --> 06:21:32,660
I think we could all play our role to do something to make sure our neighbors, our friends, our family are doing okay.

4414
06:21:32,660 --> 06:21:33,560
It's

4415
06:21:37,530 --> 06:21:44,670
a very somber set of comments today appropriately, so after a somber weekend, I am reminded

4416
06:21:45,130 --> 06:21:52,450
with all the talk of mental health that the city has done some things to help folks

4417
06:21:52,450 --> 06:21:52,890
in crisis.

4418
06:21:52,890 --> 06:21:58,570
I know on our Smovar parking decks, we've added signage that includes the suicide prevention

4419
06:21:58,570 --> 06:22:04,150
lifeline number, and so thank you to staff for helping make that happen, and also things

4420
06:22:04,150 --> 06:22:09,730
to the, um, it worked with a resident on that initiative. And so thanks for them for their advocacy.

4421
06:22:11,190 --> 06:22:15,490
Um, so I always think of when we come back from break, I was thinking of it as like a first day of

4422
06:22:15,490 --> 06:22:20,930
school for us. And so, um, it's like a time for setting news resolutions. Um, so I'm getting back

4423
06:22:20,930 --> 06:22:25,030
to some of my roots. So I'm going to name off a couple of good things that we did through the

4424
06:22:25,030 --> 06:22:33,370
consent agenda today, which we conferred the retirement of police dog Udo, Udo. I'm not sure, um, but

4425
06:22:33,370 --> 06:22:40,110
may have that dog have a lovely retirement. Also, we contributed $700,000 to the tar river

4426
06:22:40,110 --> 06:22:46,510
land conservancy so that we can preserve land around the streams that feed into Falls Lake to

4427
06:22:46,510 --> 06:22:52,250
help with nutrients that we can reduce our need to like chemically treat our water. So that's a

4428
06:22:52,250 --> 06:22:58,150
great long-term investment in our water supply. And then we approved a mini-pitch at Green Road

4429
06:22:58,150 --> 06:23:00,970
which will be great for the players there.

4430
06:23:02,210 --> 06:23:04,850
And also getting back to my roots.

4431
06:23:05,110 --> 06:23:07,110
I'm hosting office hours tomorrow.

4432
06:23:07,410 --> 06:23:10,550
They'll be at Bedford Food and Drink from 6 to 8 p.m.

4433
06:23:10,890 --> 06:23:11,910
Welcome everyone to come out.

4434
06:23:12,670 --> 06:23:17,370
And then just building on Maripur-Tem Harrison's

4435
06:23:17,990 --> 06:23:19,410
interest in data centers,

4436
06:23:20,170 --> 06:23:23,490
I would love to kind of tag on as a footnote to that.

4437
06:23:23,690 --> 06:23:27,150
I would be interested in having a sort of data centers

4438
06:23:27,150 --> 06:23:28,050
There's FAQ page.

4439
06:23:28,390 --> 06:23:34,550
I thought during the drought restrictions, the water restriction FAQ page was very helpful.

4440
06:23:34,750 --> 06:23:40,470
It not only explained exactly what the restriction was, but spoke to some of the broader questions

4441
06:23:40,470 --> 06:23:44,710
people have about cost of growth, water capacity overall.

4442
06:23:45,290 --> 06:23:49,010
I found that to be really helpful page to direct people to and it would be nice if there was

4443
06:23:49,010 --> 06:23:53,250
sort of an analog to that related to data centers, which are definitely a matter of community

4444
06:23:53,250 --> 06:23:59,970
interest, so if we could consider that and maybe you can respond to it in that same response

4445
06:23:59,970 --> 06:24:01,870
that you get to Councilman Reherson.

4446
06:24:05,130 --> 06:24:10,350
I have one item briefly and I don't know if this will be covered at the retreat or

4447
06:24:10,350 --> 06:24:17,950
not, but can we get an update on the Fayetteville Street work that we approved last year, the

4448
06:24:18,470 --> 06:24:19,150
public realm?

4449
06:24:19,630 --> 06:24:25,350
I called Assistant City Manager Evan Raleigh over break to inquire and got sort of a high

4450
06:24:25,350 --> 06:24:30,690
level update, so I know that things are moving forward and sort of where they're at, but

4451
06:24:30,690 --> 06:24:35,330
there are a lot of folks in the public that are curious and so a refresher could be helpful.

4452
06:24:36,030 --> 06:24:41,930
Both, I think, the immediate phase that we had funded and authorized, and then a reminder

4453
06:24:41,930 --> 06:24:44,150
on some of these larger projects.

4454
06:24:44,410 --> 06:24:50,270
If my collection is correct, I believe we had asked them to be programmed in this next fiscal

4455
06:24:50,270 --> 06:24:50,850
year budget.

4456
06:24:50,850 --> 06:25:00,830
So we funded the million dollars for certain things, and there were some bigger projects that we were holding open, and so just an update on all of that I think could be helpful. Thank you.

4457
06:25:04,810 --> 06:25:15,090
On a couple of good notes, I did attend. I think I missed one of the hoop nights. Got some great pictures of cheap boys. I think he slipped out, dunking.

4458
06:25:15,090 --> 06:25:15,530
King.

4459
06:25:18,930 --> 06:25:24,450
The goal was, the goal was that rim was down. It was, it was not regular height.

4460
06:25:26,950 --> 06:25:32,690
And so he's really going to get me when he sees this. And then I, you know, I had to send

4461
06:25:32,690 --> 06:25:37,610
a message to the city manager because he, he slipped and he fell on his legs in the air

4462
06:25:37,610 --> 06:25:42,630
and I said, you know, we can't have a worker's comp issue out here. And you actually did

4463
06:25:42,630 --> 06:25:46,690
very well they actually beat the police officers I think the majority of the

4464
06:25:46,690 --> 06:25:51,990
games so it was actually fun but um definitely want to commend the police

4465
06:25:51,990 --> 06:25:55,650
department our park staff and all of the city departments that were

4466
06:25:55,650 --> 06:25:59,730
involved in hosting those again this year this is the second year they've done

4467
06:25:59,730 --> 06:26:04,070
it and each night it seemed like the crowds grew and you had more youth

4468
06:26:04,070 --> 06:26:09,710
participating so it was a phenomenal job done by our folks in the city so

4469
06:26:09,710 --> 06:26:11,190
I want to congratulate them on that.

4470
06:26:11,630 --> 06:26:13,090
We've had a number of organizations

4471
06:26:13,090 --> 06:26:16,990
and folks doing backpack drives in the last couple weeks.

4472
06:26:17,450 --> 06:26:19,850
And I want to commend John Wall,

4473
06:26:20,250 --> 06:26:22,770
Levelle Motten, Devote Graham,

4474
06:26:23,070 --> 06:26:25,150
and so are other organizations that have done that

4475
06:26:25,150 --> 06:26:28,370
throughout the city of Raleigh over the last few weeks.

4476
06:26:28,450 --> 06:26:29,990
All of those events seem to be well attended.

4477
06:26:30,350 --> 06:26:34,270
And then I think the firebirds did a shoe drive this past weekend.

4478
06:26:34,270 --> 06:26:38,150
So between backpacks, haircuts, clothes, shoes,

4479
06:26:38,150 --> 06:26:46,790
a lot has been done within the community, which I think is a positive that we want to know was so much that we've dealt with over the last couple days.

4480
06:26:47,710 --> 06:26:50,750
And then I do have a request for the transportation department.

4481
06:26:51,590 --> 06:26:57,050
I know we've had some conversations, but in the city, I mean city turns office as well.

4482
06:26:57,730 --> 06:27:02,950
I see a lot of the scooters and electric bikes just kind of laying all over the city.

4483
06:27:02,950 --> 06:27:10,830
And I think in our contracts there's supposed to be some provisions that the vendors of the companies will come and pick those bikes up and collect them.

4484
06:27:11,370 --> 06:27:19,150
I've sent some screenshots of some places where I've seen them and after I even I've reported them, it's been weeks and they're still there.

4485
06:27:19,950 --> 06:27:23,810
So I would like y'all to look at the contract and what the terms are.

4486
06:27:24,670 --> 06:27:30,290
And if the companies are not adhering to the terms, then we need to figure out what the next steps are going to be.

4487
06:27:30,290 --> 06:27:35,570
But just leaving the bikes and scooters all over the place is not acceptable.

4488
06:27:35,970 --> 06:27:38,770
So I would like for y'all to address that or bring it back to us.

4489
06:27:39,870 --> 06:27:46,310
In just a piggyback, yes, because it's like seven or eight bikes at a time that we both have seen.

4490
06:27:47,410 --> 06:27:48,990
Thank you, Councillor, for bringing that up.

4491
06:27:50,530 --> 06:27:53,530
Okay, we have no appointments, nominations.

4492
06:27:54,790 --> 06:27:56,610
Yes, just a few good evening.

4493
06:27:56,610 --> 06:28:02,410
a few new announcements here, Arts Commission, one regular vacancy resignation has been received

4494
06:28:02,410 --> 06:28:08,450
from Eliza Kaiser, so this will be coming back. Next is Design Review Commission, two regular

4495
06:28:08,450 --> 06:28:13,650
vacancies. Resignations have been received from regular members Claire Craven and Kyle Springer.

4496
06:28:14,310 --> 06:28:19,430
Council may wish to elevate the longest-serving alternates and declare vacancies that's Janine

4497
06:28:19,430 --> 06:28:21,630
Ann McAuliffe and John Terzotti's.

4498
06:28:21,710 --> 06:28:22,870
To appoint the all to it.

4499
06:28:23,270 --> 06:28:23,750
Second.

4500
06:28:24,410 --> 06:28:25,630
All in favor of that motion, aye.

4501
06:28:25,970 --> 06:28:26,190
Aye.

4502
06:28:26,490 --> 06:28:27,010
All opposed.

4503
06:28:28,090 --> 06:28:29,050
That passes.

4504
06:28:29,890 --> 06:28:38,390
And then I think while we're on design review commission, you note here that the ETJ slot has been vacant for some time.

4505
06:28:38,750 --> 06:28:48,530
We're provided an answer that it sounds like we have to adopt a formal resolution to start the shot clock for the county commission so that we could ultimately appoint someone if they do not.

4506
06:28:48,530 --> 06:28:54,310
is that right? Okay, can you bring us back up the relevant resolution?

4507
06:28:54,590 --> 06:28:58,770
Yes, so staff would propose if council desires to direct staff to do this,

4508
06:28:59,470 --> 06:29:03,370
bring for us to bring back a resolution during the next meeting for council to adopt.

4509
06:29:03,770 --> 06:29:08,330
Once you guys adopt this and let me back up, this is a general statute provision. It just provides

4510
06:29:08,330 --> 06:29:14,450
a path for the council to make the county appointment if the county has not done that.

4511
06:29:14,450 --> 06:29:18,030
that. So once the council would adopt the resolution that we bring back next meeting,

4512
06:29:18,730 --> 06:29:22,850
we would submit that to the county which would trigger that formal, even though we've

4513
06:29:22,850 --> 06:29:27,550
been in contact with the county pretty frequently, it would trigger that formal request to the

4514
06:29:27,550 --> 06:29:31,150
county to take action and make an appointment. If the county did not make an appointment

4515
06:29:31,150 --> 06:29:37,110
within 90 days, the city council could make that appointment instead of the county.

4516
06:29:39,130 --> 06:29:40,010
So again,

4517
06:29:40,010 --> 06:29:45,750
And that would be if the council desires we could bring back a resolution at the next meeting for potential adoption.

4518
06:29:46,270 --> 06:29:48,810
Yes, please, yes, please bring back the resolution.

4519
06:29:54,890 --> 06:29:56,450
Yeah, so we'll bring that back.

4520
06:30:00,210 --> 06:30:29,990
Board, three regular vacancies, terms of three members are expiring, all would wish to be considered for appointment. Bob Edgerton, Jeff Habner, and April love. Move to reappoint. All in favor, aye. I'll oppose. Okay. Thank you. Report and recommendation of the city attorney. Thank you, Mayor and members at council. What you have before you is a resolution that, excuse me, a resolution that establishes a policy that council will not appoint the same individual to serve.

4521
06:30:29,990 --> 06:30:35,750
concurrently on more than one land planning board of commission since they have

4522
06:30:35,750 --> 06:30:37,130
overlapping jurisdiction.

4523
06:30:39,300 --> 06:30:48,160
Yes. Second. All in favor? All opposed. Okay. That concludes my report.

4524
06:30:48,740 --> 06:30:52,580
All right. City clerk. We'll for approval minutes. Second.

4525
06:30:55,280 --> 06:30:57,340
As the only thing standing

4526
06:30:57,340 --> 06:30:58,640
any between you and adjournment?

4527
06:30:58,980 --> 06:31:00,300
We submit our adjournment.

4528
06:31:00,540 --> 06:31:00,800
I'm in charge.

4529
06:31:01,180 --> 06:31:01,820
I'm in charge of approval.

4530
06:31:03,100 --> 06:31:04,000
They get moved and sorted.

4531
06:31:04,740 --> 06:31:05,900
Yep, all in favor?

4532
06:31:06,140 --> 06:31:06,260
Aye.

4533
06:31:07,120 --> 06:31:07,580
All opposed.

4534
06:31:08,420 --> 06:31:08,580
All right.

4535
06:31:08,880 --> 06:31:12,080
And then Jonathan Lambert-Melton has already departed.

4536
06:31:12,440 --> 06:31:15,200
I also have another engagement.

4537
06:31:15,560 --> 06:31:20,060
So Mayor Pro Tem will chair the closed session.

4538
06:31:20,380 --> 06:31:23,120
But I'll go ahead and make the motion to enter into closed

4539
06:31:23,120 --> 06:31:27,260
session pursuant to general statute 143-318-118-3.

4540
06:31:27,260 --> 06:31:36,700
to consult with the city attorney in order to preserve attorney-client privilege and to consider and give instructions regarding the handling and or settlement of a potential claim in the following matters.

4541
06:31:37,260 --> 06:31:39,740
Words in construction versus the city of Raleigh.

4542
06:31:40,140 --> 06:31:52,600
General statute 143-318-11A4 to discuss matters relating to the location or expansion of industries or other businesses within the city, including consideration of economic development incentives that may be offered by the city and negotiations.

4543
06:31:52,600 --> 06:32:15,800
General statute 143-318-11-A5 to establish or instruct the city staff or negotiating agents concerning the position to be taken by or behalf of the city, and negotiating the terms of contract to the acquisition of real property by purchase option exchange or least so moved all in favor I all opposed and that passes and we are in close session.

4544
07:03:06,450 --> 07:03:12,010
Calle City Council met in closed session. There is nothing to report. So we are adjourned.