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>> Well, good morning, everyone. we're going to call the Ramsey County Board of

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Commissioners meeting to order. We want to welcome you to do Budget Committee of the

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home. Today that economic growth and community Investment Service team

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continues a series of presentations. focus on performance measures from each

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department's. Today. We are excited to take a close look at measures related 2 areas

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like affordable housing, roll maintenance air utilization and park and rec programs.

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These performance measures are already available for review online in open performance

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section of the county's open data border. If you want more information about the

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performance measures presenting today. Check out the ECG. I department

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dashboard stands for eonomic growth and community investment. have additional

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charts and background information. With that. I would like t over to the

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deputy county manager Terry Collins to start economic growth and community

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investment presentations. Welcome. Collins, thank you so much. Madam Chair. Good

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morning to all the commissioners here. >> I'm pleased to kick off the

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economic growth, income investment performance measure budget presentations today.

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>> But like my colleagues, I'll start with a moment of gratitude and thank the many

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people involved in tis effort. Thank you so much. First of the board for setting

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the priorities for priorities, vision mission and goals of the organization. Thank you

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specifically to our administrative services director, Larry, wearing a DOE

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office is her first time through as our for all of the administrative services

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director. And they directors. They've knocked it out of the park. So thank you so much.

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Thank you. To the planning administrative strategy team to the budget team Regency

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leaders who have prepared the measures that you'll see today to our county manager as well

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for her leadership guidance. The economic growth and community service team

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includes the assessor's office community and economic development, libraries, parks

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and recreation and public works as the county manager mentioned in the supplemental

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budget remarks, environmental health will transition to become a new environmental

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services department and joined the service team in January of 27. The service team

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represents a cross-functional area within Ramsey County. That plays a strategic role in

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the county's mission to build a vibrant, equitable and prosperous community. So why

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are we here today? At its core performance measurement is about asking a simple

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question. Are we making a difference in the lives of our residents? This year we

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started with Ramsey County Strategic priorities and work backward. asked what outcomes

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matter most to our community and how will we know that we are making progress? The

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measures you'll see today are the result of years of work. Our directors have spent

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significant time or finding them, including past work with the Center for Economic

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Inclusion to ensure they're meaningful, measurable and connected to our strategic

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priorities. We intentionally selected a mix of measures. Some look at community impact.

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Some look at operational effectiveness or organizational capacity. But

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together, they help us move beyond simple. Simply counting what we do. And instead asking

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whether our work is achieving the outcomes. We intent. But numbers alone do not tell the

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story. The challenges facing our residents rarely fit neatly within one department

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and neither do the solutions. Housing, infrastructure, access to services and

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economic opportunity. All require collaborative collaboration across Ramsey

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County. That is why these measures are not really about into individual department

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success or failure. They represent the work of one Ramsey County. When we see

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progress, it is often because departments such as finance, HR communications, the county

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attorney's office and others are working alongside or service teams to deliver

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better outcomes for residents and ultimately. That is what these measures represent. The

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everyday experiences of the people we serve. They represent someone searching

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for a home they can afford. The family enjoying one of our parks are residents searching

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for connection information or inspiration at our library? or simply the peace of mind that

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comes from knowing the roads, the infrastructure and services they rely on are

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there when they need them. We cannot measure every part of the human experience. But

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these measures give us an opportunity to pause, look back and ask whether we are

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meeting expectations and whether we are meeting them equitably across all of our

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communities. As the county manager and others have stressed. These performance

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measures are one piece of a larger story, additional information that measure

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measures performance more comprehensive way can be found on the open data portal

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through department annual reports guiding plans such as the eonomic competitiveness

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and inclusion plan climate Equity action plan or through and dish initiatives like

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building stronger together. Collectively. These tols help us understand whether our

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investments are producing the results. We want and where we may need to course correct.

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And that work has not happened in isolation or without challenges this past year, our

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teams have continued to deliver cre services while responding to emerging

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community needs shifting priorities, significant organizational changes and

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difficult budget conversations. Through all of that. I've been incredibly

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proud of the resilience and commitment of the service team. As we look ahead, we

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know there will be they will continue to be ongoing challenges, particularly

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around funding. Legislative priorities and the very real strain to maintain our

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facilities and infrastructure. Today, you'll hear more about those challenges, but you also

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hear about opportunities. You'll hear how these departments are rethinking

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investments responding to community voice, building partnerships and finding new

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ways to deliver services more effectively. Some of these investments and or services

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may need your advocacy at the Legislature. This session. You'll hear about that as well

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as we go on here today. Lastly, as we move into the next iteration of the economic

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inclusion and competitive competitiveness planned, we have an opportunity to not

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just look at what external variables, maybe holding our economy back, but we can look

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at an intentional look inward as an organization at how we do our work, where we invest

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and help us to develop a next level plan that informs our greatest vlue document. Our

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budget. So thank you so much for this opportunity to have the conversation today. And

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with that, now asked Director Josh Olson to kick us off with Communion economic

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development.

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Good morning. Madam Chair Commissioners, thank you for the opportunity

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to be here today and to present on the community and economic development

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department. >> I will do my best to refrain from particular

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acronyms and other things. But I may drop into the inevitable. He's same saeidi

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for Rtd economic development team or a few other things to describe our funding. The

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community and economic development. Department's core functions support the

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development maintenance county, affordable housing infrastructure, expand wealth

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creation generation opportunities to homeownership. As well as

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affordable housing development, redeveloped or utilize properties, support

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the remediation and cleanup of polluted lands, navigate economic development resources

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and encouraging job growth. The portfolio of programming and projects as diverse

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ranging from a housing program to redevelopment programming and projects to an emerging

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area of focus, which is our enhanced supports for small business and entrepreneurs,

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CDs, budget day-to-day operations continue. 2 is to center around investing in

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affordable housing infrastructure. >> Our community economic

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development department see these North star and department work plan.

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>> Deputy County manager Collins noted is found in the strategies and the recommended

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actions of the economic competitiveness, inclusion plan commonly referred to as

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the CI plan. >> We're further informed by the climate Action, Climate

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Equity Action Plan. Excuse me. And that further informs our work on a day-to-day basis and

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across all of our different program, a fuller picture of CDs work impact can be found

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in our annual report. And I'm pleased t pass along that are 2025 annual report was just

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recently published this week. Moving on to performance measures over the last several

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budget biennium our community, economic development Department has approached the

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development performance measures and a thoughtful and deliberate way ensuring as

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Deputy County manager Collins noted that they're meaningful and impactful, but also

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practical and also a strong illustration of our community. Economic development

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Department story and evolution as such CDs, current suite of performance measures reflects

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years of in continued importance, but place by the county as it centers around a

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couple key areas, including the opportunities for wealth generation as well as ensuring

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to production and preservation of deeply affordable units. These 2 areas connected

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strongly connected to the county strategic priorities. If you're a strength in

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housing continuum as well as central pillars to the economic competitiveness,

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inclusion plan and its ongoing implementation. So well, generation programming, which

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is the core focus of the CD team. It's critical because as we've learned is that many of

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us know homeownership is one of the most significant ways for families to build and

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preserve well over time down payment assistance helps household overcome the largest

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barrier to purchasing a home while homeowner rehab and repair programs help existing

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homeowners protect that value of that accent. Together, these investments create a

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pathway from access to owner homeownership t stable housing, preservation of home

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value. And to intergenerational wealth. Our first measure. As noted on

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your screen today was first established in the 2020. 21 budget process. This was prior

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to the arrival of the a jury of the housing and redevelopment authority Levy

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and prior to major changes made to homeownership programs. With some limited

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access exceptions, te county's geographic focus on homeownership programs has

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been on suburban Ramsey County, meaning outside of the city of Saint Paul. The

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origins of this decision are in large part to federal entitlement programs,

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including Cdbg and home. You have to the pause to acknowledge the acronym there.

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The community development Block Grant program and home just really just home home

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partnership where the city of Saint Paul also receives a director allocation and their

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direct recipients. So Ramsey County serves as the direct recipients for the remainder

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of the county, specifically suburban Ramsey County. Over the years the city of Saint

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Paul has added to its array of online tools and through its greater funding hs built a

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much more robust array of programming supporting homeowners. However, following

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the arrival of this metric back just a few years ago, our community economic development

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team conducted evaluation and our own programming. Albeit limited in its funding, as

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well as its geographic scope. Programming showed consistent participation but a misaligned

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with the county's equity goals. As a result, the community Economic Development

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Department completed a complete revamping of the down Payment assistance program in

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particular, ensuring alignment with the market realities of today. And that also resulted

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in expanded access. Tis measure was later revised to include desegregation of

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homeownership programming by race and ethnicity. I asked why is this important? Well,

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it begins to identify how we address unequal starting points for families and

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households, not every household in ters, the housing market with the sme access to

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savings, family wealth and inherited assets. Exclusionary practices such as redlining,

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racial covenants and et cetera. Further widen, the starting points. This program,

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which is again targeted in one particular area of the county and most most cases helped to

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narrow the gap by providing targeted asked our resources where the market conditions

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alone cannot provide equitable access. Research and reporting by many of our cmmunity

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partners, including the Federal Reserve Bank of Minute of Minnesota. Noted in 2024.

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among its group of 12 peer regions or MS Metropolitan Statistical areas. Minneapolis

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Saint Paul Ms A had by far the largest gap between black and white homeownership. At 46.9%.

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The next highest MSA Pittsburgh was. 33. The disparities are real. Our

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programming also seeks to help expand access to neighborhoods of new opportunity. Well,

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financial assistance to housing is available across communities. Households are

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better position to choose where they live based on their needs and goals rather than

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being limited. Even today when excluding the county's first time homebuyer her first home

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program, only 3 of the 19 Ramsey County Cities have operated a down payment

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assistance program. Saint Paul is certainly one of them as well as Roseville in

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Shoreview. But this has resulted in a patchwork of county, county where

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opportunities first first time in first generation homeowners limited. Are first time home

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buyer program. First home. Comes with 2 parts first home meeting your first time line

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and first generation, your first generation to buy a home. Average is amounts to

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about 2 million dollars a year and serves about 50 residents. It's outcomes continually

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exceed as noted on the screen today, our own sea Eagles and we've adjusted those overtime,

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but also regional metrics. The county's ongoing complement is to the city of Saint Paul's

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programming to ensure that access to home ownership and wealth gneration

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opportunities exist across the entire county. Equitable access to opportunity means

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ensuring that a cow household's ability to build wealth isn't determined

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solely. By whether they have inherited wealth or enough savings to overcome the

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barriers of home ownership down payment assistance opens the doors to homeownership

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while rehabbing repair programs, protect that value of that investment by prove

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and provide stable housing, too. That household. A key theme of the last 5 years

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since EV became an official departments. It has sought to fill unserved gaps within

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homeownership. One area that is uniquely located within suburban Ramsey County is

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within are manufactured home community us they serve. It is important part of the housing

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continuum and are critical repair program addresses that you those unique challenge us

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unique challenge created by manufactured hme ownership. And so this is about us

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acknowledging our key role in providing affordability through the county over the

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last year. Our community economic development team has been intentional about taking

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our staff meetings to different communities across the county. One of those

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recent meetings with the city of Little candidate. And I was like to just provide those

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quick story. We encountered an important statistic that was shared to us by that staff,

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the 10% of all housing units within that community are located within manufactured

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home communities. before we had stepped in and provided this critical repair grant

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program during COVID pandemic. There were very limited options towards us residents

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within these communities to build and sustain their commitment to that community.

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And so it's it's it's those examples of where we get out. We sit down with community

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members. We sit down with city staff and we on earth. Those particular data points tat

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further our work for there are opportunities for partnership but also identify how

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important housing different housing is in different parts of the county. Together. These

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programs that make up Consolidator combined measure of all of our home ownership

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related programs in CD, help provide households access, maintain and benefit from

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their asset. We'll provide long-term financial stability and intergenerational wealth.

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I would be remiss if I didn't mention we have some work to do within this measure. We

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certainly have work within our programs. But within this measure, as that we've begun

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to understand that these measures are. The desegregation of information

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has definitely informed us that there's opportunities to go deeper while we have seen

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great. You know, certainly in the in increased use within our programs. We know that

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even within these particular areas that are defined on the screen today. Not all. Not

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all. Excuse me, not only experiences within those communities are the same. And

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so they present us with a unique set of challenges, but a unique set of questions and

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opportunities as we we look to expand the program increase its utilization moving

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forward. In 2025. community economic development for there. Further added a measure

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that analyzed the percentage of first time home buyers who were also for first generation

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home buyers. This was important because as I noted earlier, Ramsey County faces

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persistent racial disparities in homeownership that have a direct correlation to the

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accumulation of wealth generation. So first, Gen first-generation hmebuyers

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are those who in addition to their previous generations have never owned a home.

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First-home operates nation. I want to make this times clear that we operate in a first

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come first serve basis. And as a result, the percentage of first time for first

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generation certainly susceptible to the fluctuation from year to year. We don't.

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We don't. folks come in and they're first-time home buyer, we don't turn them away. But

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it's clear from the data that we are have a market that we certainly have narrowed in on

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and supporting and that is in the area first-generation homebuyers. Well, this

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represents a limitation in this measure, but by measuring the distinctions and the types

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of homeowners, we can better, we can begin to better aalyze wealth accumulation over time.

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These measures help CV to evaluate effectiveness, efficiency. The strategies in

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which we do to deploy our program through marketing and partnerships and

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relationships, but also and their ability to move broader community indicators within

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homeownership. One of those particular areas where we've had significant work and

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continue to deepen our partnerships with particular communities is within the

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economic mobility hub and connecting that work. As you noted on the as as was noted

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on the previous slide, we're continuing to find ways to connect with particular

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communities across the county. Community, economic development often as I

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sometimes will referred to often well in the sticks and bricks o housing,

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infrastructure. And so our homeownership programming. It's certainly one of the ways

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in which we interact more directly with residents on a day-to-day basis. And so over

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the last year, we've heard From from many folks throughout that process. And I

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share one story that we learn from a lender who was supporting a homeowner who had

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quite a bit of emotion and excitement as they were the first in their family to ever

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own a home. We later learned of a different buyer who was able to find a home in Ramsey

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County that cut their commute by 45 minutes and was closer to their job. Just examples of

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ways in which our program is is moving across the county. And also helping folks gain

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addition to the stories we n - also get to see the urgently needed improvements. And so

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there's an image on your screen of a family who is entryway is crumbling to the

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ground and how a little bit of support can help transform that particular insurance, but

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also create safety and long-term preservation of that particular asset. So in

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addition to the story us, you know, our our CDs homeownership program helps to

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reduce displacement, maintain the quality existing housing stock across the county,

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strengthen neighborhoods and ensure the lower and moderate income households who can

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participate in these programs are benefiting from wealth benefit wealth, building

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through homeownership. Okay. pause for a moment. Questions conservative and Yes. Thank

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you so much for this. I'm going back to the first performance measure.

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>> I'm just having having lived in suburban Ramsey County for. Almost 3 and a

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half decades now. I'll just say when our kids are going through school in Roseville,

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the percentages. >> Of kids color in the diversification of people went

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from about 15% to over half and the that 15 18 years. And we were there and then it when

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I was working in white Bear lake that school districts are also seeing those changing

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demographics. So I'm really happy to see that we are as a county or are working to make

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sure that home ownership is is following that. demographic growth of the people who are

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living in working and going to school and living in our communities also have access

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to homeownership. The question I have is are the statistics here just grounding them the

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demographics of potential homeowners in the context of overall homered homeownership.

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I know this I believe this is a percentage of people participating in our program,

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which is what we have control over. But I'm wndering also if there's a way to places

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that than the greater context of of how those communities demographics are shifting and

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the reason I brought up the school issue is because the younger generations you'll see

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that shift faster than people who are actually in a position to own homes. So the idea of

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having a first grade have have kids have very diverse first grade cohort does not mean you

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as diverse of 25 year-old cohort or, you know, does that make sense? So I'm just

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wondering if that's something you could maybe share with us later. If you have any

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indication of that. Yeah. Madam Chair, Commissioner Jan and say I I mean, I limited to

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this point that we are exceeding regional metrics, but I can certainly provide

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that kind further ground terms of what the demographics as well as the home ownership.

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>> Connections within suburban Ramsey County in particular because that is our area of

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focus for our programming. And so yeah, we can kind of overlap those begin to see a

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little bit more directly where impact or where we are not meeting. Those needs to.

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>> And I'm also curious to see if there's any >> exponential or a positive

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factor of the city's who who also had their own programs, meaning if if Shoreview in

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Roseville have been have been encouraging some of their their programs as well. Do we

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see that that that having kind of prime the pump are created a culture of of those programs

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being available or any kind of way that we are coordinating them. If we're seeing the

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results greater in certain communities and maybe we have more work to do in other

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communities. I'm just thinking of the role that we can play and encouraging our local

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partners to take advantage of whenever levers. We have to create communities where

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people can can live and thrive. Thank you, Madam Commissioner Kevin sing.

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>> Yes, I mean So one area where we do absolutely partner with communities, whether they

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have a program or is that we work with them and support. You know, when residents are

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referrals are coming in. Certainly those communities who have had long-standing

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programs who have some kind of some knowledge of how work over years and years and

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years, certainly as a way that we layer on top of that to to entice further entice and

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support. Residents to move into those cmmunities. You know, I would. You know, I

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noted in there that there are 3 and I wanted to make that known in part because that's

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part of see the story where we did we in some ways provided the dwn payment assistance

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program and by the half of the county, it was funded trough the community Development

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Block Grant program and first home. And the reality was that it was limited. Every year and

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misaligned with the marketplace in the end because what we were offering, what

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the federal government had kind of laid restrictions upon. meant that most homes

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were ineligible for this first time program. And so I think through that revamping through

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community conversations at times through some of that coordination and layering were

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actually able to kind of. Spread our our our our reach across the entire county. So

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we work. I you know, some of the program, lot of the communities have rehab

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programs than that an area of focus for them. And so that's where we do a little bit more.

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You know, deep But the interesting thing is over the last several months we've seen

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community stepped forward and say how can we how do we utilize our own housing sales

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tax dollars that we've received to layer on top of your programs? How do we step

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into that space for the first time in supporting manufactured home, residents?

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Because we we see the challenges. We see the calls for service. We see we get the

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phone calls related to individuals who are in dire need repairs on their home.

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And so I think that's the opportunity that we're starting to see the seeds that

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were kind planted here in the last few years through our programs that I think we're

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starting to not just see are our impact solely focus within these numbers, but start to

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kind of spill over into other areas. >> Well, and I just want to

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say throughout the my time, I then a number of these community, economic

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development and in different kinds of meetings with the municipalities and community

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where Ramsey County has been at the table and providing information. And I really do

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appreciate that as 2 people in communities. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you.

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Madam Chair. First off, I just want to thank you for selecting these 2 measures.

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>> Especially about our impact in the community and then also identify who are which

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residents are utilizing the program. That is really the only way that we can build ad

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make sure that there aren't any racial inequities access to our programs. You know, I

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know you mentioned some of this to to limitations of the program. What is the average

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number of families that were healthy through these 2 programs?

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>> Yeah, I think so through our homeownership Madam Chair, Commissioner we we support

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about 50 families a year related to down Payment assistance program. So the 2

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tracks that consist of there. And then I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 and 30,

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sorry. I'm getting a little bit of its support from my my deputy director. Thank you,

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Max. >> 30 residents within our homeowner rehab programs. And

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we've seen a steadily study increase and we >> are revamping of those

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particular. We haven't critical repair programs. Those were started during the

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kind of the latter parts of the pandemic. >> And we've kind of seen a

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steady increase in those programs over time. >> And do you also have kind

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of the family size or is that asked? >> Madam Chair Commissioner,

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you know, I don't have that at my fingertips. I I love to provide that. Bck to you, OK?

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>> Yeah, I I think You know, it's really important as talk about and how we invest in

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programs and then also just as you know, where we've been talking about, how we may have

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a bigger impact and we're is that overall housing we need more housing units, period

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across all continuum of housing. that's why if other, if our cities are doing like

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we have programs, the state has homeownership programs you I don't think it's a bad time

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for us to a considerable our role supporting sir development of more housing

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units as well as more on the continuum. That includes both supportive housing and other

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types of housing as well. So I I would just offer that. And then again, I just want

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emphasize how important of this data is in our program that county manager, I I think

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it's a it's a really good example of programs looking at who users are and also to see

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if it's reflective of our community. And that's the same expectation I would have for

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community engagement is to make sure that, you know, we're keeping track of data

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making sure that, you know, which communities are being heard, which ones aren't. And

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then when we also look at our data about using a program just like whos showing up and

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who's showing not and then the curiosity is like, oh, why aren't they using our

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programs? Right? And identifying partners were having small focus groups to

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to consider that. So at that, that's just what I wanted to name of overall, like what I

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would like to see in the next 2 years for supplemental budget and performance

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measures. It's going to give back a little bit off of that first time home buyers

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supporting 50 individuals, families, I >> At 2 million dollars. And

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that inclusive the 30 residents for rehab program was additional Madam Chair.

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That's in addition. So the 2 million dollars is kind focused on specifically. The

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down payment assistance programs. And again, that that's funded primarily

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through our hre Levy. >> Are we have programs are commonly funded through our

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cdbg funding. So our federal funding so I thinks that's in the neighborhood of I think

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25200,000 or so. Give or take. you not us. Certainly not a significant portion of Lake

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CDs, total budget, but certainly an impactful area. And really good utilization of

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how our great example of how we utilize federal funding within this broader continue

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because this this seems to be area where we can deploy it with relative ease and speed.

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Thank Commissioner McMurtry. >> Thank you. Madam Chair thank to recall some for this

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presentation. My question is around the percentage of the first time, homeowners. We're

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also frustration, homebuyers as we look. I guess I would love to get insights on the

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county's role as we look towards the future, knowing that they are, you know, a few

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developments, redevelopment projects that are coming our way, whether as Rce Creek

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Commons or and Falcon Heights or or in Saint even though we don't service the land use

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authority for these properties, what role do we have to better influence the

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creation of more snow stop took from to provide this opportunity for first-time

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home you know, to to purchase their homes. And and how do we do it in a way that may not

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the solely focused on single-family homes to look But looking at other owner

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dwellings, what was calm those or any other to make sure that we can get them on that path

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but may not solely looking at single family homes. If that makes sense.

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>> Madam Chair Commissioner McMurtry. >> So one of the key drivers

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over the last year or so in some of the utilization of our there's couple particular

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areas where folks have taken advantage of this program that are buying new units. I think

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particular projects in little Canada. That's a town home development part of that the

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lenders and Henry leaders who connecting with community more directly with as folks are

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walking aound in and understanding where they want to live there out saying, hey,

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that's a great development. You can live in and buy new, but also this i an

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opportunity for you to connect into our programming. So certainly deeper partnerships

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that we've had within that certainly accelerate and some of metrics goals that we've

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laid ot there tier. Maybe to your central point, though, around, you know, how we

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influence and how it Certainly we have a project or a couple projects that the county is

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leading and we have a lot more influence. And I think that is a greater opportunity. And and

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it doesn't say it in here. But in terms of like the conversations we have within

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our team don't lean who is taking advantage of some of our programs. How obsessed see

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the other opportunities on the other side of that department. And so homeownership, our

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homeownership leads are ready and excited to start to talk to our project managers

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developers of our projects to say how do we plug our programs? How do we plug the

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pipeline of individuals who are seeking homeownership opportunities, whether they

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are single-family home, whether they're a town home or condo, we're somewhere in

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between. How do we plug into those? And so I think we're excited to we're kind of on

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the precipice with some of those projects because those projects aren't fully defined

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in terms of what's coming out of the ground. And when. But I think knowing and hving tis

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information or fingertips, I think is really exciting for us because now we can start to

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see connection point. We can connect the supply which, you know, I think i very much

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like CDs role in the housing continuum. More directly. See the demand into it. So that I

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think is a great opportunity for us. Maybe it kind of goes without saying. But I think

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one thing what you're asking commissioner for tree us, you know, we're seeing across the

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county where, you know, we are the smallest county in this in the state. We're certainly the

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most densely populated and so many of the new opportunities that are coming are in the

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form of different types of housing projects I offer this example. This is not fantastic

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example because it's actually a project that's more on the rental side. But it is an

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example of where the county through Department has it supported a project that's

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unique and different in the marketplace. And so there's a project down in the West 7th

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neighborhood in Saint Paul. That's kind of co where folks are buying into a room and

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they they have shared amenities like a kitchen and other things. Certainly just

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like examples of where we are kind of hoping to kind of connect a marketplace in kind

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of unique and different ways. So I apologize. It's not a it's not a great example of

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the homeownership connection, but I think it's a great illustration of where

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influence and our resources are helping to support kind of projects that are

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contributing, widening the options within the housing continue. I just on back of

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just >> commissioner times point on the housing to I think, you

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know, right now we can invest 50. We'ill feel the strain of women's inventory, which means

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when those homes coming market. With the other first-time home buyers that

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are out there that ae that may have mean that that are utilizing their services. And

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so. And just we emphasize how critical these resources that are to be preapproved have

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that in hand so that they can compete with all the other fires were waiting.

436
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>> For homes in a certain price point, I will say, however, a good example of

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00:50:13,628 --> 00:50:17,980
creating additional housing stock is Maplewood properties that DR Horton where they're

438
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doing a big row of townhomes where we can. We really pushed them hard to say, you know,

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don't just make this a big, you know, suburb in large lot. Single family development

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create some density some opportunities where we can partner with the down Payment

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00:50:32,646 --> 00:50:36,851
assistance program and really helped to shepherd it from 2 different sides of the housing

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continuum. And I we'll have to do that more and more. We're certainly looking at

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requirements, you know, for affordable homeownership, that Race Creek comments. That will

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be be a big piece as well. So there will be opportunities moving forward. But to

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director all says point you know, we do have limited ability as a result of the

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developed nature of our county. So. >> Well that that's helpful

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here encouraging to know that we are. You know, despite the limitations that we have or

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some of the control of how these things are pull togetherat we are

449
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leveraging, you know, whatever influence we do have to really push these of these projects,

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developers to really consider the needs that we have as a county.

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00:51:24,364 --> 00:51:30,637
>> The other piece and it's listed as performance measure, but I think it's also really

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important. And I appreciate highlighting the performance measures that do it. But I

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also have been thinking more about. The Hoover developing these these different

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properties, different projects. And I know the popularity of our emerging.

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The first developers program. How I >> Is there a way to

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incorporate that year? Maybe as an additional measure for us to look at really building

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out that particular program so that we see. >> The pipeline of of, you

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know, developers that we're also creating Adams as an organization. I think that's

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that's something that has really impressive, at least over the time. I've in this

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00:52:13,487 --> 00:52:19,961
role just to see the popularity of that particular program and how it is really

461
00:52:19,961 --> 00:52:28,570
treating that that next generation of bipoc developers who want to invest So just I

462
00:52:28,570 --> 00:52:37,312
just wanted to raise that a another. measure that I think would be, you know, important

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to consider and just want to get your thoughts on how we're looking with building out that

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00:52:41,490 --> 00:52:48,189
particular point. >> Madam Chair, commissioner for a that is kind of the next

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evolution. In my view of of a TV, we certainly started that program with it with us and

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00:52:56,998 --> 00:53:02,603
expressed intent to grow a new generation. The next generation of affordable

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00:53:02,603 --> 00:53:08,943
housing developers. What we've seen and certainly our data which show that 80 80

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00:53:08,943 --> 00:53:15,550
participants are taking full advantage of our predominantly within the rental area. I

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00:53:15,550 --> 00:53:22,489
think our next opportunity is how we connect them into home ownership programs. Next and

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and I would even go so far as to how we knd of. >> Connect the 2 ends of the

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of the of the of the line, right? The 2 points, which is both.

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>> The folks who are helping to build the supply as I noted earlier, but also those who

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are asking for those opportunities within those particular areas of those

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communities. >> So I think I'd certainly envision as we kind of work 80

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participants. And I think we we have an opportunity in a couple of smaller sites where

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county has some control of the Lance. >> Where we can begin to

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00:53:58,590 --> 00:54:02,263
testing pilots, some opportunities for home ownership using the skills

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00:54:02,263 --> 00:54:10,204
developers to kind of help construct it. If I helped to finance But then for us to

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00:54:10,204 --> 00:54:17,404
connect families into those programs. You projects like that. They certainly want

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buyers. That's a key part of their project. And if we can help to feed that side of the

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of that through some supports through some partnerships and layering with different

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municipality's and other partners. We can start to do that. Commissioner Miller.

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>> Thank you. I apologize for my tardiness of this has been his bare with So on our first

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sight here as this data, I understand this is our data from our programming. But is

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this data from that year that they flows or is it from the year that they go on to our

486
00:54:52,113 --> 00:55:02,113
property tax says stop us. And I guess me to continue where we're going with And I ask

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just because maybe be good if we had data or do we have data that kind of shown us bigger

488
00:55:09,730 --> 00:55:12,933
picture? Because if this is just for our program, like I see the American Indian

489
00:55:12,933 --> 00:55:16,937
communities at one percent. But I know that there are a lot of other programs both

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00:55:16,937 --> 00:55:20,340
federally and from other nonprofits and other organizations that provide the

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00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:24,878
services that are just opting to use those programs rather than using our program. So I

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think that data could help us paint a bigger picture of who's buying, who's not?

493
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Because this this makes it look like. One person is buying a house in our county.

494
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But we know that's untrue. We just don't have the data from our partners. with that a data

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point that you guys would have or do we not collect that data? Madam Chair,

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Commissioner Miller, we don't have that at our fingertips. And I think that's certainly

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an area of opportunity for us to kind of get better sense of like the full rant. I mean, I

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noted I pulled some information from the same areas Saint Paul Area

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Association of Realtors. >> You over the last year they had they estimated are

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00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:14,662
identified over 5,000 sales with in Ramsey County. >> So if we were to kind

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00:56:14,662 --> 00:56:18,599
strapped with that, we represent about one percent less than one percent of those

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00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:25,273
sales in terms of that. So >> for you know, certainly we want better understand what

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00:56:25,273 --> 00:56:31,120
everybody else is doing. >> I think we do a lot of coordination with other

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00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,683
entities who have these programs to help layer and but I think there's an opportunity

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00:56:35,683 --> 00:56:38,953
for us to kind glean some additional data from them to get a clear picture of like

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the dynamics that are happening. You know, amongst homeownership altogether. I

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00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:55,494
think just look for it. >> We have to look to other presentations before lunch.

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Madam Chair Commissioners gives one more. >> So if I was to reflect over

509
00:57:04,845 --> 00:57:13,855
the last 5 of CDs and growth as well as a as a departments. >> I think CD has sought to

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00:57:13,855 --> 00:57:17,992
reframe a couple key things. One is the wife. What is affordable homeownership for

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what is affordable housing but more and more importantly, what is deeply affordable

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00:57:22,396 --> 00:57:28,996
housing. Where where is the affordable housing creation and present preservation

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00:57:29,671 --> 00:57:33,273
happening and who who are the partners that are beginning to help the county to build a

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much more robust and resilient housing infrastructure. I know I'm sure in time, but I will

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00:57:41,215 --> 00:57:48,956
say I want to take you back a little further in this data. As we started in 2020. But if

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I was to present you with the information that is associated with 2015, 2016, 2017, cetera,

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the number would be 0. In fact, when we first established this measure in

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the 2020 2021 budget, we estimated we had a goal of a meager 5% in 2021. Knowing

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that we were limited by our funding, limited by our resources, limited by our

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tools. But that you would start to measure it because as the UCI plan began to paint a

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very stark and important picture that deeply affordable housing production and

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00:58:30,467 --> 00:58:37,340
creation is vitally important to the health and growth of this community. So again, this

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00:58:37,340 --> 00:58:42,679
was prior to the hre levees creation prior to other housing resources like the

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American rescue plan dollars. A local, affordable to the housing sales tax, cetera. And

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00:58:49,686 --> 00:58:56,626
so, you know, 2020 represented a jump. so you'll see it kind of a story here. You're you

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00:58:56,626 --> 00:59:02,699
see a jump where the county board chose throw one time reallocation of cip funding

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towards affordable housing projects in 22 23. The county board once again turned to

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00:59:10,306 --> 00:59:15,111
one-time funding through the American Rescue Plan. Act dollars and 2025 was the first

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00:59:15,111 --> 00:59:24,111
year of the housing sales tax or law. We're now moving into unexpected stabilization of

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00:59:24,587 --> 00:59:28,124
reoccurring funding, dominated by our housing and redevelopment authority levy,

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as well as our local, affordable also known as law. While this measure has been

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very susceptible. As noted on the screen to the comings and goings of funding and the

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00:59:39,335 --> 00:59:43,873
immediacy of meeting the moments crises. For example, our nonprofit challenges in

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00:59:43,873 --> 00:59:50,613
the last few years. This measure has served its important purpose for CV in

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charting a course. We're deeply affordable unit creation and preservation.

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>> Is a key part of every year. And every solicitation, it cannot b understated that

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00:59:59,220 --> 01:00:04,227
the county's policy drection to focus on deeply affordable housing infrastructure has

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moved a large number of units forward. And the county's insistence on 30% units has

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01:00:11,330 --> 01:00:15,638
moved the marketplace, especially within suburban Ramsey County. Ramsey County

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01:00:15,638 --> 01:00:19,975
has now has been noted in a couple places but has now surpassed 100 million dollars

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01:00:19,975 --> 01:00:25,975
preservation renovation ad construction of local housing projects. This funding

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01:00:27,116 --> 01:00:31,720
includes 106 projects created more than 5500 total residential units in the last

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01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:40,329
5 years. But what's important here is in top of that total over 1900 units. Of those

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01:00:40,329 --> 01:00:47,203
units have been deeply affordable at or below the 38% area. Median income which

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equates to $39,000 a year for a family of 4. To Commissioner. MC for Trees

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comment erlier around are emerging diverse developers program in addition to in

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01:01:00,349 --> 01:01:03,686
create creasing access to affordable options, CD offers the emerging diverse

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01:01:03,686 --> 01:01:09,759
developers program which empowers new voices to break into real estate. Aligning to

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the county's economic competitiveness. Inclusion Plan D program works to build

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01:01:15,365 --> 01:01:18,902
economic opportunities for diverse entrepreneurs and foster a more inclusive

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01:01:18,902 --> 01:01:24,641
development community since its start. 68, I'm urging developers have graduated from

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that pogram. look forward to another cohort to graduate this fall. And 39 projects

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have been funded through our solicitation. So again, as I stated earlier, they are a key

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01:01:32,982 --> 01:01:42,982
part of what impacted this data points as well as all of our our data points. I think

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all pause their faces the podium. And yeah, thank you, Madam Chair, I thank you,

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01:01:49,198 --> 01:01:56,272
Doctor Olson, I just want to pause on the slide because >> I we obviously want

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acknowledge like, you know, all the work that's been done. It's been a tremendous amount

558
01:01:59,876 --> 01:02:04,613
work throughout with Jack share very quickly. That timeline that was working

559
01:02:04,613 --> 01:02:08,818
muscles across organization unlike ever before to get get that work done. But also, you

560
01:02:08,818 --> 01:02:16,959
know, I think lots of moment hat reflect and say, you that there's progress. I do think,

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01:02:16,959 --> 01:02:21,764
you know, I think Michigan sings at one time like we're bailing as fast as The water

562
01:02:21,764 --> 01:02:25,769
is coming in. Right? And so I think it's a moment acknowledging the hard work,

563
01:02:25,769 --> 01:02:30,973
but also a very humble moment for our community to go. We cannot let our eyes off of

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01:02:30,973 --> 01:02:38,648
this. This is weren't. We're not able to but for not this investment. Where would you

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01:02:38,648 --> 01:02:45,855
today? And so I just I think this is that a subdued start of measure because it it it's

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good. But it also recognizes the importance the work that has to continue. S thank you,

567
01:02:51,994 --> 01:02:58,201
Doctor Olson, and I know a lot of you are aware of are huge. Yeah, it would be like feel

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01:02:58,201 --> 01:03:04,340
like we're just kind keeping up with with the baseline. Honestly, to sve, save unit

569
01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:12,148
honestly in some ways. Right? So thank you. So I just want also say And I think about

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01:03:12,148 --> 01:03:15,819
your presentation in whole conversation that we're having.

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01:03:15,819 --> 01:03:21,219
>> Around housing, affordable housing, homeownership, homelessness. whole piece and

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01:03:21,624 --> 01:03:30,624
you know I know the line between, you know, see the housing stability. I don't

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know what that is like you know, are we that innovative already envisioning a

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01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:42,390
partnership or investment? That also support growing population of homelessness,

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01:03:45,715 --> 01:03:53,122
you know. And you know, whether CD HR AED a cdb or will housing stability in, you

576
01:03:53,122 --> 01:03:57,727
know, hitting home Ramsey County, how we looking at the whole continue working in

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01:03:57,727 --> 01:04:04,670
partnership with something that really growing very quickly, right. Holmes says

578
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:12,474
and as we think about, you know, that the market is not keeping up with Mason gound.

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01:04:12,474 --> 01:04:17,130
We made some incredible graham and it's incredible investments. But the market is

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01:04:17,130 --> 01:04:22,885
not just not keeping pace with knee. We have limited inventory and I was just

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01:04:22,885 --> 01:04:27,290
looking at, you know, we looked at housing stability for Haitian around average,

582
01:04:27,290 --> 01:04:35,310
coordinated entry, weight, which is 181 days. So we have people family so I at a

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01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:40,585
standstill for 881 days and just think, you know, as we think about the whole

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01:04:40,585 --> 01:04:48,993
continuum and I think the conversation row homes herd is a lie about, you know,

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community of the everyone I want to move from the a place where people can call their

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01:04:55,533 --> 01:05:00,138
home right feel safe and take ownership of that so that we can create pathways. And how

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01:05:00,138 --> 01:05:05,610
can we look at? You know, we have a nice conversation around tiny homes. What would

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01:05:05,610 --> 01:05:10,681
that look like that we are investing in pulling dollars from these different places to

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01:05:10,681 --> 01:05:19,157
create those basis? Well, we can begin to be of people that horse taking the wrap around

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01:05:19,157 --> 01:05:22,693
services so that they can move through that continuum for think the increase basis for

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01:05:22,693 --> 01:05:30,234
the next one to come in so, you know, can you share with me? You know, as you look at

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01:05:30,234 --> 01:05:34,839
your world, you know any thoughts about that expansion of how w can, you know, and

593
01:05:34,839 --> 01:05:40,979
that's in other ways, too. Yeah, I think a couple parts, I think.

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01:05:40,979 --> 01:05:48,920
>> I have a great benefit of having a very strong Understands this area and

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01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,591
areas of competent opportunity and connection with, you know, our departments that are

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01:05:53,591 --> 01:05:58,630
housing, stability, work force, you know, and other parts of the county. So I

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01:05:58,630 --> 01:06:04,402
think one of those is I think >> knowing I think we now have a little bit clearer pcture.

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I think using performance measures. I know housing stability.

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01:06:08,606 --> 01:06:14,780
>> Very clearly laid out in their presentation to a week or so ago that they want to

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reduce that. That coordinated entry That's going to take work from our side to help. As

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01:06:21,850 --> 01:06:26,958
I noted year earlier to support the sticks and bricks side of development because in

602
01:06:26,958 --> 01:06:32,897
most cases, those units don't just exist in the marketplace today. They have to be built.

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They have to be funded and other places. And so I think partnership is key. I think,

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01:06:38,703 --> 01:06:42,107
with own departments within the county, but also our departments across the county

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01:06:42,107 --> 01:06:48,646
that are in cities wo have very strong roles to play in the creation.

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01:06:48,646 --> 01:06:55,253
>> As well as preservation o units. I think example I just offer and it's kind of

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01:06:55,253 --> 01:07:01,125
connected to my last slide. But I'll just jump ahead and say it, you over the last

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01:07:01,125 --> 01:07:07,599
couple late last year or so are CD department has started to invest in a program.

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Neighborly that allows us to track our projects over on the stretches of time, something

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01:07:14,139 --> 01:07:18,760
that has his challenge. When you start to have, you know, dozens and dozens of projects

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01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:24,415
that you fund every year. But it also creates kind of process or a structure for us

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to collect other information. We have because we are required in some cases for

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01:07:32,490 --> 01:07:38,763
projects to collect rent rolls, collect information on who are the individuals and

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01:07:38,763 --> 01:07:43,167
families who taking advantage of these programs. We just have never really had the time

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01:07:43,167 --> 01:07:50,709
and space to kind of actually take that information and move to help us make better

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01:07:50,709 --> 01:07:54,912
decisions. How we can kind of work collaboratively with other departments, including

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01:07:54,912 --> 01:08:02,120
housing, stability, to say are we seeing individuals and move up in that through that and

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01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,989
move through the house and continue into a place of stability and wealth

619
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generation wealth creation. So I feel like first I this is a common theme that on the seedy

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side like because they're such a new department and I know housing stability is new

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department and we're starting to learn to work together more directly. But like we're

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starting, we have begun invest in those systems that allow us to actually be able to kind of

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have those things more at our fingertips in a way that we never had before. So that, you

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know, certainly an advantage. And I say we we we invested in the system because we wanted

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to make sure for accountability and transparency. We had those

626
01:08:42,827 --> 01:08:50,270
those loans and those things tracked. Well, after many of us retire.

627
01:08:50,340 --> 01:08:57,842
>> But also that's >> we can actually utilize that system to kind told us in

628
01:08:57,842 --> 01:09:04,248
other ways. >> And I like that saying you know, as continue to have my

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conversation with individuals in the philanthropic community, who because this is

630
01:09:08,186 --> 01:09:14,125
not just a government problem is like all of our problems. One of the hear over and over

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again finding ways to strengthen to housing homeless ecosystem. Aiming for

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01:09:20,532 --> 01:09:24,200
Minnesota where every person have us a stable home that they can afford what we have

633
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:29,674
to mobilize those resources. Right. And we have to build infrastructure for that. It is

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not It is sitting. Dormant would wait times like way too long and just throws people

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off into return. System, right when not even to be self-sustaining. many people

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that want to be self-sustaining. I don't want to have to depend on the

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government. All right. And so whether that's at 30% of the am I that makes it more

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affordable for that to happen. And how do we create that? But for sure, they is definitely

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lack and we do a great job of building infrastructure, investing in individuals back

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01:10:03,974 --> 01:10:07,978
we have to mobilize the resources together and how to build the infrastructure that

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01:10:07,978 --> 01:10:17,578
is so desperately needed. And it's like a all hands So you want to presentation. Mary

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:24,929
confusion over Thank you. Madam Chair, just thank you so for all of your work and your

643
01:10:24,929 --> 01:10:27,131
departments. >> When I first got elected here, which wasn't all that

644
01:10:27,131 --> 01:10:34,138
long ago over 10 years I said, what are we doing about housing? And they said that's

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not what county, know, we don't d this. that's what city, you know, other people

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01:10:38,209 --> 01:10:46,483
do that. And you have come so far and it's just so amazing exciting that That the

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01:10:46,483 --> 01:10:53,240
community development has done. And I I Madam Chair, that just need more housing

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01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:57,940
stock many more funds. It's going to affordable housing and, you know, you were

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talking about 2 different layering, you know, and there's different programs you

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01:11:04,371 --> 01:11:07,373
know, have different qualifications. And then there's the availability of

651
01:11:07,373 --> 01:11:11,710
different look, fun funding sources, then you've got to find the people who qualify

652
01:11:11,710 --> 01:11:16,490
for all those different things. And then, you know, having the housing stock

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01:11:16,490 --> 01:11:20,252
available for the different programs. So it is matching all of that up. And I think

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01:11:20,252 --> 01:11:24,570
you're doing an amazing job. And I think we just need I was going to ask you, what do we

655
01:11:24,570 --> 01:11:27,727
need more of? And we probably need more of everything. You know, we we need more of all

656
01:11:27,727 --> 01:11:34,934
of tese all of these areas where housing set more programs tough and it, you

657
01:11:34,934 --> 01:11:39,472
know, more connecting of people. So I just want to say thank you. And if you want to

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01:11:39,472 --> 01:11:47,747
comment on that because and while you're commenting on that, just noticing this. You

659
01:11:47,747 --> 01:11:52,685
know, whenever you see a chart of performance the and the variations hurt, noticeable,

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01:11:52,685 --> 01:11:59,826
you know, and 21 7% 31 37 16, 20, know, it kind of goes up and down. Just can you comment

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01:11:59,826 --> 01:12:09,826
a little bit more about that? just I'm and just grateful that that come SoFi and in

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01:12:10,770 --> 01:12:18,778
this housing. And the housing area. And I think always was county. You know was good for

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01:12:18,778 --> 01:12:25,251
counties to step up? mean, it just became more of what was supposed to do. So I am so

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grateful the legislation creating as one of things that happen that, you know,

665
01:12:39,332 --> 01:12:42,601
>> Madam Chair commissioner require, I think you know, I think it's easy to say that

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more resources will allow us to continue to to make make more impact. And I want to

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01:12:49,876 --> 01:12:56,416
diminish that goal. I think what we are as it connects to this these numbers, I think

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01:12:56,416 --> 01:13:00,420
we're at a place where we're stabilizing, right? I don't think it's going to be another

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01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:06,559
big jump in funding around the corner at least next year, 2 years or 3 years. And so I

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01:13:06,559 --> 01:13:10,362
think it's really now a renewed focus on on values as well as where those areas

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01:13:10,362 --> 01:13:15,502
importance. And so, you know, while we've identified a goal that actually is stable over

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01:13:15,502 --> 01:13:22,241
the 2 years. That's intentional because it's not to suggest that we don't view

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that. That number going But I think we're trying to strive to a number that makes sure

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that we are going through these wild fluctuations between funding that.

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>> Deeply affordable unit creation and preservation is a core focus of our

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01:13:35,789 --> 01:13:41,994
solicitations every year. It's a core focus of our partnerships with new

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developers and emerging tourist development program and other partnerships with

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cities. And so we're going to need our communities and our partners to kind of help us do

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01:13:49,869 --> 01:13:54,741
that because we don't create the projects. >> We often are one of the

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01:13:54,741 --> 01:14:00,413
last funders of projects and often instances. So, you know, we we need alignment there and

681
01:14:00,413 --> 01:14:06,285
we need to kind of support them. Yeah, so that that's in part. I mean, the fluctuations

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01:14:06,285 --> 01:14:13,827
I noted here are. >> part because we had these one time moments. And we may

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01:14:13,827 --> 01:14:18,164
strikes. Real production was made in those moments support of different projects,

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01:14:18,164 --> 01:14:24,164
supportive housing units, deeply affordable units projects that folks who

685
01:14:24,571 --> 01:14:30,977
leaving homelessness just projects normal market rate projects across the county

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01:14:30,977 --> 01:14:36,916
where we've been able to embed affordable units within notes, just said, you know, a couple

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01:14:36,916 --> 01:14:44,124
units at a time, but important moments. So I think this is our kind of signal because

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01:14:44,124 --> 01:14:46,192
he's a noted the beginning of my talking points. We start. We've been at 0. We were at 0

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01:14:46,192 --> 01:14:53,660
for a very long time. And so now we're moving to a place where like it's a normal

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01:14:53,660 --> 01:15:01,273
consistent part of our unit production. I To. I think. Commissioner Kevin sings point

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01:15:01,273 --> 01:15:09,730
and county manager backers point. The housing spaces dynamic and so there's the

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01:15:09,816 --> 01:15:12,217
analogy that was presented. There's also the analogy of a bucket with lots of holes in

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01:15:12,217 --> 01:15:20,260
it. Where we try to clog We try to pour into it and it's hard to know if that 15,000

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01:15:20,260 --> 01:15:25,765
number that we presented in our UCI plan remains the 15,000 number today. I think

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01:15:25,765 --> 01:15:30,102
we have a great opportunity where we're updating the plan in this next year that we

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began to kind of see if that all of the 1900's, units that we have impacted over the last

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01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:42,848
5 years are making a serious dent in that number. But one thing we very clearly learned

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01:15:42,848 --> 01:15:49,789
over the last 5 years, there's a lot of housing in this county that is of what we call

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01:15:49,789 --> 01:15:54,994
a natural court and naturally occurring affordable housing that don't show up on a lot of

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01:15:54,994 --> 01:16:03,402
different metrics and a lot of those projects are in dire need of supports ensuring that

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01:16:03,402 --> 01:16:08,740
folks can stay in their homestand their communities and live with dignity because

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01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:12,100
we have seen and witnessed art staff has witnessed firsthand. Some of these units that were

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01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:21,100
beginning to step in and support. Are in severe of of, you resources to preserve.

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01:16:21,887 --> 01:16:28,227
We're thankful that the owners, the developers of those projects terrifying.

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01:16:28,227 --> 01:16:32,298
These projects need But there's individuals who within these units in often cases. So

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01:16:32,298 --> 01:16:41,574
yes, so this is. Trying to get collect that information and try to help support the

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01:16:41,574 --> 01:16:47,313
housing infrastructure across the county is a full-time across the entire community.

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And it's dynamic. We have you for time. >> lot of that over. We all

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that with cmmission adenosine. Yes, I just want to say to the point that that

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we're all talking about about the role of the county and the newness of the emphasis on

711
01:17:06,799 --> 01:17:12,939
this. The idea that we talk about Saint Paul MN suburban Manzi County. But just a

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01:17:12,939 --> 01:17:20,212
reminder that unit see a Ramsey County is made up part or all of 19 unique

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01:17:20,212 --> 01:17:25,612
municipalities. >> Where local zoning code, planning Commission's all the

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01:17:25,818 --> 01:17:30,566
different dynamics within the multitude set, neighbors and calls and wants of the lcal

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01:17:30,566 --> 01:17:33,970
community come into play. When we talk about, you know, getting shovels in the dirt

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01:17:33,970 --> 01:17:40,977
and and housing bill. And so I really appreciate that. You talk about new data

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01:17:40,977 --> 01:17:46,315
opportunities so that we can work smarter. And I I again, to earlier comments about

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01:17:46,315 --> 01:17:52,540
seeing you working in partnership with our City like sharing urban 3 data ust -

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01:17:52,540 --> 01:17:58,127
sharing some of demographic data being able to assess current housing stock. I think

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01:17:58,127 --> 01:18:06,135
about, you know, some of my communities that they haven't what what would be captured

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01:18:06,135 --> 01:18:13,750
into that naturally occurring affordable housing not even realizing that if if we were

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01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:17,479
to somehow create a grid of parcels across the community, that the neighborhoods they're

723
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:21,350
in are the very things that trying to recreate so that the first generation of the next

724
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:25,488
generation of homeowners can can live in the same types of neighborhoods that that they

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01:18:25,488 --> 01:18:31,494
have had the opportunity to live. And so I just encourage to continue to use our role as

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01:18:31,494 --> 01:18:36,565
a convener to share data into plan alongside or local communities so that we can

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01:18:36,565 --> 01:18:41,303
collectively meet the needs of Ramsey County, because I know that that that it is a

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01:18:41,303 --> 01:18:48,503
partnership on the local level. >> yeah, I mean, all a rest on

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01:18:50,979 --> 01:18:55,510
this last slide. Just I think I touched on a few of these already.

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01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:59,588
>> But I I think one thing that I'll mention because this stretches back to my budget

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01:18:59,588 --> 01:19:06,788
remarks last year. >> Where we quite in terms of where federal funding

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01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:15,271
>> was going to directly impact. You don't see these budgets.

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>> I think we have at least a little bit of good news that because of the passing of the

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01:19:20,943 --> 01:19:28,884
21st Century Road to Housing Act that diminished to some of the urgency P But I think what

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I would would also share so we don't anticipate cuts on the cdbg home side, at least for

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01:19:33,156 --> 01:19:42,156
the next year. But I think what I would share with you, though, is that.

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>> We've been on on a chart trajectory. >> About moving our resources

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where we control. W have better control over those on at the local level that we can

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in a dynamic, but also a multitude of ways kind of began to kind of address

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01:20:00,783 --> 01:20:06,655
multiple needs. And I, you know, it's easy for me to go back to the well that is

741
01:20:06,655 --> 01:20:12,461
emerging. Diverse developers is a unique example where we're supporting a business

742
01:20:12,461 --> 01:20:16,198
entrepreneur. At the same time we're helping to build and sustain affordable housing are

743
01:20:16,198 --> 01:20:20,870
great examples of where the kind doing our best to kind of work between the gray areas.

744
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:26,409
>> Of disciplines and gray areas. Markets. So that is an area of focus as we kind of

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01:20:26,409 --> 01:20:35,409
look forward to the future. I think we certainly touched 2 core areas of CDs, team.

746
01:20:37,619 --> 01:20:41,891
>> in homeownership programming as well as a portable housing development.

747
01:20:41,891 --> 01:20:46,895
But we have host. We have another sides for team to help in that real estate

748
01:20:46,895 --> 01:20:49,765
development side redevelopment programs and then emerging area of around business. And

749
01:20:49,765 --> 01:20:56,171
so I just wanted to kind of close by saying that is our next area. That is our our new

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01:20:56,171 --> 01:21:03,445
area data collection to kind analysis is going to be a key part of that the same way

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01:21:03,445 --> 01:21:06,782
that it kind of trolls. Many of our successes over the last years in developing our

752
01:21:06,782 --> 01:21:13,789
programs and refining them. And s we're going to do that. That's kind of part of the

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01:21:13,789 --> 01:21:21,797
We're going to do that in concert with our partners and >> I think those those.

754
01:21:21,797 --> 01:21:25,334
>> Cdt meetings on the road as we call tem are great opportunities for the whole

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01:21:25,334 --> 01:21:29,939
team. See the team to kind of witness and understand core issues and pick up on those

756
01:21:29,939 --> 01:21:36,145
little bits of data along the way where we did. We walked away as a team saying 10% of

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01:21:36,145 --> 01:21:39,481
all units and little can deter and manufactured home communities. Well, that's

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01:21:39,481 --> 01:21:45,688
going to be a core focus of where our programs going to kind of fitting in.

759
01:21:45,688 --> 01:21:49,558
>> You know, and I think that's gonna be the last part just going to add other than

760
01:21:49,558 --> 01:21:53,762
to say that like housing, as I noted earlier, is a dynamic space. We're trying to do our

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01:21:53,762 --> 01:22:01,970
best to to use an analogy, I guess and full of them always. But to be a ship and rocky

762
01:22:01,970 --> 01:22:08,844
waters so that we can kind of understand the volatility are funding for the Hre Levy. And

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01:22:08,844 --> 01:22:14,116
now with housing sales tax has certainly become. A place where folks come to like a

764
01:22:14,116 --> 01:22:21,323
safe harbor for projects because we look at that. >> You know, in a way that

765
01:22:21,323 --> 01:22:26,262
>> ensures that projects are best position, not because of what their needs are, but like

766
01:22:26,262 --> 01:22:34,690
how that money lines perfectly in and helps to accelerate a project, help out the door. So

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01:22:34,690 --> 01:22:39,875
I think all wrap up there overtime sauce. >> Well, want to thank you for

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01:22:39,875 --> 01:22:43,812
your presentation today. It's very insightful weaver to that and, you know, it's always

769
01:22:43,812 --> 01:22:49,170
great to hear the good work that we are doing, nor that this other work to do. But we

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01:22:49,170 --> 01:22:57,426
are making a I feel like the next year. So we may have to defend off just being able to

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01:22:57,426 --> 01:23:00,629
maintain what we have possibly try to take it away from us. You know, but great works

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01:23:00,629 --> 01:23:09,629
great. thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next we have. Okay. going to gym Parks and

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01:23:13,642 --> 01:23:18,442
recreation. According commissioners. >> Thank you for your time

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01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:32,120
today. >> And just like to start by thanking the person leadership

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01:23:32,594 --> 01:23:37,333
warmer. Flynn, Crystal Coast, you Justin tells and for their work on this budget as well as

776
01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:43,939
a performance measures. as well as the finest team. We're an entire block for their work

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01:23:43,939 --> 01:23:50,539
of this budget. With >> came to be. Presentation. As you know,

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01:23:58,424 --> 01:24:02,627
>> Person Recreation operates, right? If facilities, including a level I stream is

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01:24:02,627 --> 01:24:07,767
Kelly Prks, 6 regional parks and trails for golf courses. Special use areas including

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01:24:07,767 --> 01:24:14,173
temper interest center, but create when recreation area water perk and we oversee the

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01:24:14,173 --> 01:24:21,373
resources management of over 7500 acres of owned and managed lands. So residents

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01:24:21,713 --> 01:24:26,651
engage with these facility as of right of way is anything from renting of facility is to

783
01:24:26,651 --> 01:24:32,570
self-guided recreation, things like renting a partial for or ice We're playing around the

784
01:24:32,570 --> 01:24:36,996
Gulf to participating a facility staff wuld programs or working with our soil water

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01:24:36,996 --> 01:24:43,869
team to install stormwater infrastructure practices like that of the residences or

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01:24:43,869 --> 01:24:51,877
places of business. So all take a moment. And in a second talk about health benefits,

787
01:24:51,877 --> 01:24:56,148
also want to mention that there are other other benefits besides that with parks and

788
01:24:56,148 --> 01:24:58,484
recreation. >> For example, those who live in close proximity look

789
01:24:58,484 --> 01:25:07,159
adjacent to Parkland, all the residences, roughly see a 5% increase in the value of their

790
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:12,697
home. through those benefits as well, providing access to parks and recreation

791
01:25:12,697 --> 01:25:19,772
facilities. Resources is really about improving the quality of life. So staff are

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01:25:19,772 --> 01:25:22,908
maintaining your minutes report is that are making a port facility and make sure

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01:25:22,908 --> 01:25:27,980
it's clean and ready for use or natural resources. Staff are stewards of the land that

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01:25:27,980 --> 01:25:32,184
we oversee or program staff working directly residents. >> Our staff are really deeply

795
01:25:32,184 --> 01:25:39,524
committed to being inclusive and welcoming and raising the quality of life for residents.

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01:25:39,524 --> 01:25:44,930
We know that people need food, housing and health care, but they also the parks and

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01:25:44,930 --> 01:25:48,868
recreation. It's kind you know, for better or worse. Couple Byrd rains. The

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01:25:48,868 --> 01:25:54,140
COVID-19 pandemic him what we saw during tat time. But it's always a good reminder to me

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01:25:54,140 --> 01:26:00,145
you know, the massive numbers of people that we saw go out and parks and recreation

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01:26:00,145 --> 01:26:05,151
facility is to really stay was there physical health and mental health and well-being.

801
01:26:05,151 --> 01:26:11,891
>> And so we saw whole social. These services are for residents. If you will have

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01:26:11,891 --> 01:26:18,163
more in information or take a look at other websites. We've got the link here over can be

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01:26:18,163 --> 01:26:24,236
followed at Ramsey County dot slash sports. >> got into our first or is

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01:26:24,236 --> 01:26:29,575
the overview of our strategic priorities corresponding performance measures. Walk

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01:26:29,575 --> 01:26:36,480
through each of these of the first measures that we have a line that will give them more

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01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:40,520
is the number of culturally specific community-based engagement sessions that are

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01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:45,657
helping each year. So as state's this performance measure really demonstrates

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01:26:45,657 --> 01:26:52,640
the department's commitment to working with represented segments of community to lift

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01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:58,336
up their voices and help ensure that the recreational wants and are being address.

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01:26:58,336 --> 01:27:03,542
the next measure of total acres of restored and enhanced away. And today it is a hyper

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that alliance with the county's private equity actual work. as one largest

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01:27:08,947 --> 01:27:12,217
landowners in the county, we have a responsibility t be good stewards of which

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01:27:12,217 --> 01:27:18,817
includes this restoration work. In final measured tracks, the number of

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01:27:18,823 --> 01:27:22,961
culturally specific facility or skews me facilitated programs. There are offering

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01:27:22,961 --> 01:27:29,568
to parks and recreation staff and partners. And this measure was put into place is a direct

816
01:27:29,568 --> 01:27:33,372
result community feedback. We've heard from underrepresented populations

817
01:27:33,372 --> 01:27:38,777
about their concerns with safety and inexperience and outdoors and wanting to help

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01:27:38,777 --> 01:27:42,915
staff facilitate programs rather than just be so corrected. So this is

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01:27:42,915 --> 01:27:45,584
important increasing engagement and participation and having all well, all

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01:27:45,584 --> 01:27:53,984
residents feel welcome into the park system. To look at our first performance measure

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here. You can see the number of culturally specific engagement sessions that are

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01:27:58,196 --> 01:28:05,537
held each year and as a system that are of this measures important intentionally

823
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engaging with residents was their feedback about design. The facility is types of

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recreation offerings on the people lake, the amenity the amenities of work system. know

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01:28:16,281 --> 01:28:22,870
that more affluent residents with power their influence over others intend to be the

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01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:24,956
loudest voices in communicating their desires. So it's really important that

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we be intentional and go out and seek opinions lift up voices so that there's a broad

828
01:28:30,162 --> 01:28:36,768
spectrum of what we're hearing from our community to ensure that there's a wider park and

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01:28:36,768 --> 01:28:43,241
recreation options. But those are heard. It's a key examples of engaging with community

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from the phase through implementation in construction would be to courts that we

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constructed. You're going kill regional Park Battle Creek Water Park that renovated

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reopen the summer and the minister its golf course that was also renovated and a grand

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01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:09,735
reopening somewhere. I would just the goals that this is perfect measure. So the number

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of engagement sessions, Israeli partly dependent the funding that we have available

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through vrious resources to develop and enhance facility. And so what happens to be a

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time look, a few years ago, there was more money aailable to states and recipients of

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01:29:22,947 --> 01:29:28,754
some of those funds. doing a lot of projects and doing a lot of engagement work when

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01:29:28,754 --> 01:29:36,270
those resources are as bill is available, then we have was projects motion. But I think

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it is important in tracking again to ensure that we're doing our job engaging with

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community. us the next measure that illustrates a number of acres that have been restored

841
01:29:50,909 --> 01:29:56,315
to in the person recreation system. So this measure again aligns with our strategic

842
01:29:56,315 --> 01:30:01,519
priority focus on resident Saturday, holistic support and also aligns the Clay County's

843
01:30:01,519 --> 01:30:08,994
climate Equity Action plan. It that he did claimants more natural way that's focused on

844
01:30:08,994 --> 01:30:14,867
managing coming lands to reduce greenhouse emissions and natural ecosystems within

845
01:30:14,867 --> 01:30:20,500
the county of to after the impacts of climate change. tracking your progress of

846
01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:22,607
restoring lands. Hlps us measure our progress and mitigating climate change and

847
01:30:22,607 --> 01:30:28,700
increasing wildlife habitat. So you can see here that we restore under 1500 acres of

848
01:30:28,700 --> 01:30:37,100
land to date of the 7500 acres. The county manages and owns about 4600 are eligible

849
01:30:38,844 --> 01:30:43,915
for restoration. some of that land is is just active use. There is to various areas

850
01:30:43,915 --> 01:30:51,715
where people actively recreating. And so that's bill all eligible to be restored.

851
01:30:52,591 --> 01:30:56,394
You know, impacts of climate change are pros are recent articles from just this past

852
01:30:56,394 --> 01:31:03,802
summer where this is one of the hottest and driest summers on record in Minnesota.

853
01:31:03,802 --> 01:31:08,540
>> And s along with wildfires is making for really challenging conditions of for

854
01:31:08,540 --> 01:31:14,146
natural resources, work that we need to do to be construed Islam. Or Stephen Bill. The

855
01:31:14,146 --> 01:31:20,746
excellent job securing tat Kelly resources, restore snce 2011 they've secured around

856
01:31:23,870 --> 01:31:28,260
4.3 million dollars for this restorations and also work for several outside partners and

857
01:31:28,260 --> 01:31:30,695
agencies to determine prioritization for the restoration work.

858
01:31:30,695 --> 01:31:35,500
>> And to conduct these restoration. So some are key partners include AmeriCorps,

859
01:31:35,500 --> 01:31:41,173
the Ramsey, Watershed District of writing watershed districts and work nonprofit

860
01:31:41,173 --> 01:31:45,777
organizations such as Tree Trust. We have a strong relationship sports is

861
01:31:45,777 --> 01:31:50,314
continue to advocate also with our fellow park agencies at the state Legislature for

862
01:31:50,314 --> 01:31:58,714
funding to address issues like invasive species of disease that comes along with that.

863
01:32:04,262 --> 01:32:09,133
>> performance measure of tracks the number of culturally specific

864
01:32:09,133 --> 01:32:12,270
facilitated programs and services that are offered through parks and recreation

865
01:32:12,270 --> 01:32:16,674
staff and contract partners. You'll see here that there's been fairly significant growth

866
01:32:16,674 --> 01:32:23,481
over time in this area. Again, when when perks conducting communities where we just

867
01:32:23,481 --> 01:32:27,952
found a number of residents support us, concerns are under-represented. Populations

868
01:32:27,952 --> 01:32:33,425
will feel comfortable jst going over the prchase Monroe or if you they want September.

869
01:32:33,425 --> 01:32:40,250
Preferably someone you know, represent community was reflective of community. So

870
01:32:41,966 --> 01:32:47,966
facilitate a program walking through things is uncomfortable. It's also

871
01:32:47,972 --> 01:32:51,308
stayed on the slide that we utilize funding from the state through the state's parks and

872
01:32:51,308 --> 01:32:58,916
trails Legacy amendments to hire operate programs as well as purchase equipment. like

873
01:32:58,916 --> 01:33:02,854
lakes, archery, equipment, fishing here, cross country skis and more to reduce

874
01:33:02,854 --> 01:33:08,860
barriers to access. So these programs been successful in reaching new audiences

875
01:33:08,860 --> 01:33:12,797
throughout county and we expect to grow continue to grow the number of programs

876
01:33:12,797 --> 01:33:19,397
over time. >> You have a question here Commissioner Call. Start. So

877
01:33:23,340 --> 01:33:27,678
we go back to our first side of the number of public specific community engagement.

878
01:33:27,678 --> 01:33:32,283
Sessions held a kind of a couple questions. What one, what is that engagement look

879
01:33:32,283 --> 01:33:38,623
like? And how did that change the way we do the work? So do we know if this engagement

880
01:33:38,623 --> 01:33:43,495
encourage communities of color who we were engaging with 2 participate or attend some of

881
01:33:43,495 --> 01:33:50,368
these these locations. >> Like I've been a better many times water part. I know

882
01:33:50,368 --> 01:33:55,372
that makeup of the people who use it, but like Manager Ridge Golf course, right? Like.

883
01:33:55,372 --> 01:34:01,312
That, encourage more communities of color to coming utilize our golf courses or

884
01:34:01,312 --> 01:34:06,117
they still continue more or less being used by outside residents rather than Ramsey

885
01:34:06,117 --> 01:34:09,386
County residents. So I guess I want to do more about this engagement, peace and to you

886
01:34:09,386 --> 01:34:17,395
have numbers if we held, you know, 41 sessions, do we know the attendance of those those

887
01:34:17,395 --> 01:34:22,801
engagement sessions and who made up those attendants? Because no one session we get

888
01:34:22,801 --> 01:34:25,870
held and it could be 5 people. But they really care about this golf course. And they

889
01:34:25,870 --> 01:34:29,273
really want, you know, their golf course to have that, you know, that greenery or

890
01:34:29,273 --> 01:34:35,146
whatever. >> If the commission Miller, I would say that it's yeah.

891
01:34:35,146 --> 01:34:44,689
There's a lot there and bring up a lot of the places say it's challenging in the kind

892
01:34:44,689 --> 01:34:50,895
of collection of demographic data for people that participating in engagement.

893
01:34:50,895 --> 01:34:54,990
So yes, kind variety. Like what does that look like? So engagement takes place a

894
01:34:54,990 --> 01:34:58,899
variety of ways. Anything from. >> Sending like electronic

895
01:35:00,638 --> 01:35:06,444
survey it will have signs parts of the QR code and people walk onto their full on

896
01:35:06,444 --> 01:35:12,250
and give us feedback that way to Like Point Intercept survey is where we've got staff out

897
01:35:12,250 --> 01:35:17,455
in te field so they may be at both golf course or water park and just walking up and asking

898
01:35:17,455 --> 01:35:25,855
people if they would like to get their feedback regarding upcoming projects or specific

899
01:35:26,330 --> 01:35:29,334
like different sessions held events that are occurring throughout the community were

900
01:35:29,334 --> 01:35:35,339
stand alone like. >> We want of you know, we're holding events at this

901
01:35:35,339 --> 01:35:37,942
facility at 7 o'clock at night on Wednesday. We'd like come out and give us give you

902
01:35:37,942 --> 01:35:44,415
giving us your feedback. So a variety different methods to try to collect that

903
01:35:44,415 --> 01:35:52,423
information, I would say public trust. You it kind of ebbs and flows right now. It

904
01:35:52,423 --> 01:35:57,950
is fairly So going out and asking people to do of identify and give their

905
01:35:57,950 --> 01:36:03,340
demographic information like. >> Some people offer that and some don't. So I would have to

906
01:36:03,340 --> 01:36:09,106
go back talk to development team who conducts the majority of engagement to find out like

907
01:36:09,106 --> 01:36:13,440
what's of that data that we know. >> We had over or report what

908
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:18,849
we have that we could some belong to. >> Yeah, those are some of

909
01:36:18,849 --> 01:36:24,655
those are some of the challenges I can just say that know from the evolution of

910
01:36:24,655 --> 01:36:31,663
what I've seen working with the pope will be the director Department has gone from staff

911
01:36:31,663 --> 01:36:35,867
in a room, kind of making decisions about what doing, too.

912
01:36:35,867 --> 01:36:42,140
>> You know, going out maybe doing online survey and then >> making decisions or in a

913
01:36:42,140 --> 01:36:46,144
closed room to really like working with our Park Commission, really going out

914
01:36:46,144 --> 01:36:52,144
and talking to community recording that the demonstrating likely to

915
01:36:52,283 --> 01:37:00,706
example, but it is community members would go outside to every step of project and

916
01:37:00,706 --> 01:37:08,647
verify backs like, yes, this is what we want. And we bill, our making tweaks o And I can

917
01:37:08,647 --> 01:37:14,987
just I I can speak from experience to say that it's much more. Genuine. And I

918
01:37:14,987 --> 01:37:21,326
think really see those results as far as the late President, Hugo Chavez, the golf course

919
01:37:21,326 --> 01:37:29,670
we are. So you know, we can we can look for we are ran to help residents. The diversity

920
01:37:29,670 --> 01:37:33,338
of users that we're serving. I think that is something that we need look into further and

921
01:37:33,338 --> 01:37:38,744
has to do with programs and reduction barriers to see like how do we get a wider variety

922
01:37:38,744 --> 01:37:42,280
of audience to participate programs that make sense? Thank you.

923
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:51,357
>> And then the total acreage for the next slide you give us some examples that, yes, you

924
01:37:51,357 --> 01:37:55,493
do partner with other organizations. But can you give me like a where's this

925
01:37:55,493 --> 01:37:59,164
where we're thinking like when you remodel the golf course, we added in some of that more

926
01:37:59,164 --> 01:38:04,350
of that natural landscape in that area is is that the space we're talking about here or is

927
01:38:04,350 --> 01:38:08,440
it more going into our parks and >> not mowing it or, you know,

928
01:38:08,440 --> 01:38:16,240
plenty more natural or >> commissioner Miller, it's it's bowls. So I would it's

929
01:38:18,716 --> 01:38:22,788
dead. A kid you know, looking at specific restored acres of land and within our golf

930
01:38:22,788 --> 01:38:27,192
courses, for example. >> There are there are acres of land that we've taken that

931
01:38:27,192 --> 01:38:37,192
you know. trf part of being in play and we take him at all to play and worked with like

932
01:38:38,203 --> 01:38:44,409
all of us society, other partners to go and do for Mike Restoration work and plant

933
01:38:44,409 --> 01:38:50,349
native prairie and pollinator habitat and things like that. So it would include acres from

934
01:38:50,349 --> 01:38:57,556
of golf course land as well as of county and regional Parkland and oftentimes tied

935
01:38:57,556 --> 01:39:03,962
to specific grants that we've applied for. That tends to be in Parkland space, sometimes

936
01:39:03,962 --> 01:39:10,502
partner with watershed in. ricts are also invested - >> Making sure that we have

937
01:39:10,502 --> 01:39:16,441
more natural lands. So that may be a golf course. Like an example with the Colts forced

938
01:39:16,441 --> 01:39:21,579
but otherwise like the state's funded grants tend to be look at a regional park system that

939
01:39:21,579 --> 01:39:26,918
we would take an area that, you know, maybe with them morning for a long time for

940
01:39:26,918 --> 01:39:31,857
this is kind gone feral and restoring that back to what the more original condition.

941
01:39:31,857 --> 01:39:39,570
Okay. >> And then I guess my last question here goes last slide.

942
01:39:40,198 --> 01:39:45,470
Do we have attendance data who attended these culture specific facilitated programs.

943
01:39:45,470 --> 01:39:49,874
I mean, I think it's wonderful that we host of them and we contracted with people. But do

944
01:39:49,874 --> 01:39:57,216
we know who attended them and how many? And just that that work being fruitful. And it's

945
01:39:57,216 --> 01:40:03,422
actually meeting the needs the community Commissioner Miller. Let's say we we are tracking

946
01:40:03,422 --> 01:40:06,291
the attendance of the programs. As far as the who attends. There are some

947
01:40:06,291 --> 01:40:11,963
programs that are like pre registration that we have a record of who attended. There

948
01:40:11,963 --> 01:40:17,235
are others that are lke pop up kind of like if you'd like to try fishing, you know?

949
01:40:17,235 --> 01:40:26,235
>> Whatever part at this at >> fishing pier. next lghts you just show so staff are

950
01:40:26,578 --> 01:40:33,318
asked like how many people participated things like that. But we wouldn't recording

951
01:40:33,318 --> 01:40:41,118
people's Demographic data at pop-up events. And 3 cracked before a of book. These

952
01:40:43,394 --> 01:40:47,265
programs are free and there are some that we charging and I feature 4. But the large

953
01:40:47,265 --> 01:40:52,700
majority of it has been free. We have been tracking like attendance numbers.

954
01:40:52,700 --> 01:40:56,274
>> And then when we charge the fee, do we charge the fee straight across anybody who

955
01:40:56,274 --> 01:40:59,878
wants to attend them? So it whether you're a Ramsey County resident, whether your non

956
01:40:59,878 --> 01:41:05,150
resident to participate in them, it's the same a lot. And we ask that because like I

957
01:41:05,150 --> 01:41:10,622
want to know county park for my son's birthday. Let me tell you, they charge for

958
01:41:10,622 --> 01:41:16,428
everything. I'm just saying like. >> You know, at what we have

959
01:41:16,428 --> 01:41:22,501
similar fee structures where we're charging non-residents and different fees for using

960
01:41:22,501 --> 01:41:25,571
our services commission something with the county manager's discuss with through

961
01:41:25,571 --> 01:41:30,976
some way. And we are >> looking to evaluate that as we move forward. right now, we

962
01:41:30,976 --> 01:41:36,314
do not have resident and nonresident but that is something the mask explore and

963
01:41:36,314 --> 01:41:42,587
see where that makes sense. >> To create a few structure that you know, the one rate

964
01:41:42,587 --> 01:41:46,925
for resident another 40. I would be in support of that just knowing what other and to

965
01:41:46,925 --> 01:41:51,463
also to learn what our neighboring counties do as well. I've heard similar that

966
01:41:51,463 --> 01:41:55,000
they charge for use of their dog parks, a charge for use of parking. Right. And I'm just

967
01:41:55,000 --> 01:42:00,606
curious at how >> much revenue that helps generate that can go back into

968
01:42:00,606 --> 01:42:05,100
programming ice on a slide ahead that you haven't got to that some of the funding

969
01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:09,748
challenges to restart Lanza's that maintaining And if this is area that we could use to

970
01:42:09,748 --> 01:42:12,751
offset that costs and help with that. So we're still following our climate equity

971
01:42:12,751 --> 01:42:20,225
plan. But we're also being, you know, fair and equitable to our residents as If

972
01:42:20,225 --> 01:42:24,280
Commissioner Miller that's exactly what we've been asked to take a look at, we have

973
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:29,968
them liberate. Look at other agencies. I can speak to. >> Everything specific know I

974
01:42:29,968 --> 01:42:36,841
would say most of what we're finding is most are charging a resident and nonresident rate

975
01:42:36,841 --> 01:42:41,313
for their services. But full look and see where examples that exist and what you said.

976
01:42:41,313 --> 01:42:46,113
That's something that we explore tickets for >> Thank

977
01:42:46,919 --> 01:42:55,460
>> For oe quick course of the round invasive species. What are we seeing out there? And

978
01:42:55,460 --> 01:43:04,200
sort of inch or 6 PC. So in season's we're seeing a I would say number.

979
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:09,608
>> And so for tree species probably was what will last for. So that's, you devastated

980
01:43:09,608 --> 01:43:17,215
our Ashley population and you public courses dealing with boulevards and things like We

981
01:43:17,215 --> 01:43:25,435
have about him active spaces parks, recreation lands. we got through and done tree

982
01:43:25,435 --> 01:43:30,840
inventories and are doing everything we can to remove that there's a Dutch elm

983
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:39,516
disease was a big thing. The world quilts that is is going through oak tree within the

984
01:43:39,516 --> 01:43:47,390
aquatics Syria. There's a lot of invasive species that popping up a our various

985
01:43:47,390 --> 01:43:53,663
waterways that we of help to manage. And so that's a very natural resources. Staff is

986
01:43:53,663 --> 01:43:59,268
working doing programs likely waters where we operate a number of boat launches. And

987
01:43:59,268 --> 01:44:04,808
so having people on site that are checking to see that boats and trailers are clean when

988
01:44:04,808 --> 01:44:09,120
they enter the water and when they leave the waters that transferring more speeches.

989
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:15,484
But it's i's a big challenge. And, you animals, transport seeds spread disease people

990
01:44:15,484 --> 01:44:24,484
people do. But again, gven what we've seen in the where climate changing and diseases

991
01:44:25,962 --> 01:44:30,900
that are taking over, it is a major problem and growing problem.

992
01:44:30,900 --> 01:44:35,504
>> And so there's a cost associated with that when when we see increase. In trying to

993
01:44:35,504 --> 01:44:42,712
control, that's free. It. So I I see you say that you have been working fellow agencies

994
01:44:42,712 --> 01:44:47,317
at the Legislature for additional funding. Are you getting additional funding

995
01:44:47,317 --> 01:44:54,517
from agencies? Are you thinking about? requests next session to additional funding

996
01:44:55,325 --> 01:45:02,198
I'm sure I would say that >> funding that state primarily has allocated or

997
01:45:02,198 --> 01:45:08,404
that we've been recipients of along with our other Metro for key agencies has in of

998
01:45:08,404 --> 01:45:18,400
replanting. Of of some areas with of what we've had to remove and things like It's

999
01:45:20,283 --> 01:45:28,424
less the actual removal. So still have a big issue and trying to obtain funding to be

1000
01:45:28,424 --> 01:45:31,427
able to remove a word. But there's been some replanting funds that are out there and

1001
01:45:31,427 --> 01:45:37,500
we've been recipients of that. We work with our fllow partisan says of throughout

1002
01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:41,504
the legislative session to advocate issues. And that's been one of them that we

1003
01:45:41,504 --> 01:45:49,245
continue to advocate for. So I think that'll be something we'll be talking our agencies

1004
01:45:49,245 --> 01:45:53,480
again on coming year in our life, a cycle in our lobbyists, correct. And

1005
01:45:53,480 --> 01:45:58,188
working with working closely with our government relations staff to commit to It's all

1006
01:45:58,188 --> 01:46:04,727
interconnected. okay? Great. >> We have commissioned think March 8. Thank you. Madam

1007
01:46:04,727 --> 01:46:09,265
Chair. >> thank Director McCAbe for the presentation. couple of

1008
01:46:09,265 --> 01:46:15,710
going back to the cultural specific community engagement. As you look towards the future

1009
01:46:15,710 --> 01:46:19,750
of the next few years. Are there any specific groups, organizations or even graphics

1010
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:25,750
that are hoping to increase engagement with. >> Well, commission with

1011
01:46:26,282 --> 01:46:34,682
really good questions. So think. Partly it kind of what we're working where where

1012
01:46:37,293 --> 01:46:43,632
that's taking place. So we tend to look at demographics of the community in which

1013
01:46:43,632 --> 01:46:50,306
project taking place and try to go out you know, reach out engage community and hope and

1014
01:46:50,306 --> 01:46:54,440
have that banks hve representatives that are coming to talk. It was over

1015
01:46:54,440 --> 01:47:00,249
the place represents of the population that lives in that area. So, you know, it's a

1016
01:47:00,249 --> 01:47:06,849
population that's 50% white and we're getting 95% white respondents were not reaching

1017
01:47:08,524 --> 01:47:14,463
that audience. that's we look at person's like really like to make sure that we're

1018
01:47:14,463 --> 01:47:21,663
reaching more of what store of other residents. >> kind of follow-up that,

1019
01:47:22,205 --> 01:47:27,210
have the F you all as department utilize some of the different communications

1020
01:47:27,210 --> 01:47:33,950
platforms thinking specifically off among TV or launch of the new podcast.

1021
01:47:33,950 --> 01:47:39,950
Ways Too further folks in the community. >> Commissioner closure just

1022
01:47:40,289 --> 01:47:47,230
great segment where a lot TV among TV summer, a cycle of water of or communications

1023
01:47:47,230 --> 01:47:51,501
that has has a nice job of connecting us to those different audiences. And we

1024
01:47:51,501 --> 01:47:59,901
have some like regularly occurring segments on TV and some of the other compulsory

1025
01:48:02,178 --> 01:48:06,782
specific communication, almonds. And can we do better probably. But we're certainly

1026
01:48:06,782 --> 01:48:10,520
where bowls and of work of our communication. to get that word really try to be targeted

1027
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:16,726
in our community. >> Right. That's that's right to My next question is around

1028
01:48:16,726 --> 01:48:23,660
the culturally specific programs saying that. You know, residents not feeling

1029
01:48:23,660 --> 01:48:27,469
safe comfortable to participate activities. You know, a piece of that. I

1030
01:48:27,469 --> 01:48:35,780
wonder they want to get your perspective is maybe a lack of their representation in the

1031
01:48:35,780 --> 01:48:44,420
specifically of the makeup of of those were coming up with these different ideas and ways

1032
01:48:44,420 --> 01:48:46,622
engage in to come up with a different program which you say that there is room for us

1033
01:48:46,622 --> 01:48:56,222
to go to ensure that our staff park staff. Really reflects the of the as commissioner

1034
01:48:57,232 --> 01:49:03,773
Yeah, yes, that's the. >> Because overall goal of being reflective of the

1035
01:49:03,773 --> 01:49:08,244
community that we serve it, were on that continuum, where of apartment a few years ago.

1036
01:49:08,244 --> 01:49:16,644
This was prior performance measure. I think started as sure of or as department

1037
01:49:16,919 --> 01:49:25,319
director. I want to say that our staff something like or forces something like 90 4% 6%

1038
01:49:26,995 --> 01:49:33,536
people of color. And now it's something like 70% >> Why the 20% people color.

1039
01:49:33,536 --> 01:49:38,808
making progress. We're not there yet. I think an area that we've been more

1040
01:49:38,808 --> 01:49:44,614
>> successful in being a more rapid and increasing the people color among the

1041
01:49:44,614 --> 01:49:46,949
population, having that be more reflective of the population service that are

1042
01:49:46,949 --> 01:49:55,349
temporary employee staff. So you look like Lakers that water works, for example, or

1043
01:49:57,100 --> 01:50:03,380
we'd have purchased number of the internship programs, right track in terms other programs

1044
01:50:03,380 --> 01:50:09,712
like that, that we've got much more like racially diverse audience there in the longer

1045
01:50:09,712 --> 01:50:15,510
program summer, I would say we have nice job being reflected community. But yeah,

1046
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:20,456
absolutely. I think that that is what we heard is that it's not just about having a

1047
01:50:20,456 --> 01:50:23,590
person. >> help facilitate its having something that you feel

1048
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:29,732
comfortable with. reflective you know, the community residents are part of and

1049
01:50:29,732 --> 01:50:33,269
that's ongoing work that we need to do continue improve and help people feel

1050
01:50:33,269 --> 01:50:36,873
comfortable. >> I think that's that's encouraging to hear know

1051
01:50:36,873 --> 01:50:43,345
you'll be focusing on. It's great. And then I just bringing up because as we

1052
01:50:43,345 --> 01:50:49,418
think about, you know, some of trepidation by residents. Of course, was preventing

1053
01:50:49,418 --> 01:50:54,424
important piece. I want make sure that we're thinking that, you know, the steps for that

1054
01:50:54,424 --> 01:50:59,562
of like who's in the room making the the and coming up with the idea is to ensure

1055
01:50:59,562 --> 01:51:06,350
that they, you know, reflect the challenges that concerns the different areas that we

1056
01:51:06,350 --> 01:51:11,107
know. We can build excitement with with certain communities and to make sure that those

1057
01:51:11,107 --> 01:51:13,910
folks who reflect those communities in heart of those communities are also in the

1058
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:22,910
room. Making recommendations. So I'm glad to hear that that you get that there's still

1059
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:28,791
work to ensure that are having a staff that's reflect the ball. You know, the person at

1060
01:51:28,791 --> 01:51:36,532
the county Thank Thank you. >> ISIS Morant. I mean, a little bit more. Why? What are

1061
01:51:36,532 --> 01:51:41,332
people saying this? Making feel uncomfortable? >> Madam Chair?

1062
01:51:43,205 --> 01:51:52,148
>> we got a lot of specific data are why? But it was more kind of barriers to

1063
01:51:52,148 --> 01:52:00,548
participation, whether people >> do participate or not. And then why And some mid summer

1064
01:52:01,690 --> 01:52:07,964
spots, I don't know the kayaks on Royal King or so I don't feel I don't feel safe of the

1065
01:52:07,964 --> 01:52:13,903
park. And I think our staff during rules have try to flesh that out a bit. And some of

1066
01:52:13,903 --> 01:52:18,974
it. Susan, we got survey right now that is about our overall system plan and we're

1067
01:52:18,974 --> 01:52:23,913
collecting data on that. I would that the other day and one of the things that I think

1068
01:52:23,913 --> 01:52:29,852
the most frequent item that people said would make them feel safer was white. So

1069
01:52:29,852 --> 01:52:35,925
adding lighting in parking lots along certain trails, things like that. So so if

1070
01:52:35,925 --> 01:52:40,663
there's there's probably a variety reasons as to the why. But those are some of the

1071
01:52:40,663 --> 01:52:47,537
things that we've heard. I didn't a lot of like. I was the part I, you had a really

1072
01:52:47,537 --> 01:52:51,541
bad experience or something happened to me. And now I don't go back. It's more like

1073
01:52:51,541 --> 01:52:54,943
seems like kind of trepidation, a boy. I'm not sure. I want to try that. I

1074
01:52:54,943 --> 01:53:04,860
don't no, but I feel safe, you know, going into is really like bourbon residents who

1075
01:53:04,860 --> 01:53:09,224
don't have as much experience like being out in more of kind of like a wilderness area some

1076
01:53:09,224 --> 01:53:16,766
more perks can feel like if you're trail, you know, it can also really feel like you're

1077
01:53:16,766 --> 01:53:24,240
not in the twin city and like what is We're used to wildlife concerns like concerns about

1078
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:28,577
head-on. I don't feel safe because I'm afraid afraid of, you know, other types of

1079
01:53:28,577 --> 01:53:33,490
wildlife. So thick of right things. But it is important, too. understand the why behind

1080
01:53:33,490 --> 01:53:39,722
it. So as we move forward and that is I'm Fay so OK, well, Whiting was mentioned the

1081
01:53:39,722 --> 01:53:47,330
number of times here. So we should all be touches of you know, having staff facility,

1082
01:53:47,330 --> 01:53:49,865
the program really helped us know feel safe and people were reflective of the community

1083
01:53:49,865 --> 01:53:56,339
that report of Why is certainly important. >> very important because we

1084
01:53:56,339 --> 01:54:04,747
want to parks and recs where people feel safe ways inviting where we are seen as being

1085
01:54:04,747 --> 01:54:11,220
inclusive. So I think it's really important that we fight in safe and comfortable 2

1086
01:54:11,220 --> 01:54:16,240
different things. And so it's really important that we get to figure out what's getting

1087
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:22,624
the way of people feeling comfortable. It makes sense. Commissioners, can

1088
01:54:24,299 --> 01:54:28,704
>> Yeah, I really appreciate that. You're looking at chair. I come from a park and rec

1089
01:54:28,704 --> 01:54:32,708
background when they worked an older adult services and even really well intended, folks, I

1090
01:54:32,708 --> 01:54:39,448
think that there's a reason why you know, football and soccer fields for

1091
01:54:39,448 --> 01:54:43,185
accommodating to each other and pickleball and tennis courts have been accommodating

1092
01:54:43,185 --> 01:54:45,320
to each other. It's because the park and rec department know that their parents and

1093
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:51,460
their kids are engaged in those sports. And it may be why perhaps culturally, you

1094
01:54:51,460 --> 01:54:56,531
know, we don't have bad man and volleyball together is easily or cricket and baseball

1095
01:54:56,531 --> 01:54:59,869
fields coming together so easily because we don't have the folks who are in those

1096
01:54:59,869 --> 01:55:05,874
rooms who are naturally. So seeing that these to ways to make the space is more

1097
01:55:05,874 --> 01:55:10,680
inclusive and welcoming to all different kinds of folks who want to use those spaces. So I

1098
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:15,751
appreciate the farm's measures to talk about engagement and and and rental property rental

1099
01:55:15,751 --> 01:55:18,220
equipment and all the different ways that you're trying to address those needs.

1100
01:55:18,220 --> 01:55:25,761
I encourage that we continue that. My question is have more to do with the idea of how are

1101
01:55:25,761 --> 01:55:31,634
you seeing are perks and amenities in greater sense creating communities where

1102
01:55:31,634 --> 01:55:35,771
people can survive and thrive. And in some of our other partners and and some of our

1103
01:55:35,771 --> 01:55:44,179
other coal. So we have a PC with us about 4600 acres of eligible land for restoration

1104
01:55:44,179 --> 01:55:50,919
and alongside the other acreage of Parkland dimension also. And I think we all have

1105
01:55:50,919 --> 01:55:57,793
a sense housing and houses by parks have an increased market value. So we have a choice as

1106
01:55:57,793 --> 01:56:02,798
a as a county as to where we decide to invest and really make sure those perks saying

1107
01:56:02,798 --> 01:56:05,534
for those neighborhoods and what kind of an equity lens are we having? We're looking

1108
01:56:05,534 --> 01:56:11,473
at. Across the county in those in those acreage, are we, you know, paying the most

1109
01:56:11,473 --> 01:56:18,730
attention to is it lifting up neighborhoods in an equitable way?

1110
01:56:19,168 --> 01:56:26,442
>> To church commissioners have saying, yeah, I would say that has been the charge to

1111
01:56:26,442 --> 01:56:31,981
department for some time, though, is making sure that looking at areas concentrated

1112
01:56:31,981 --> 01:56:38,187
poverty, that we're taking a look across whole park system and not being kind of skewed

1113
01:56:38,187 --> 01:56:43,992
and how these investments are being made. So as you are well aware of your district, having

1114
01:56:43,992 --> 01:56:52,334
a lot of Parkland, there's areas within the county that have or can't Wake County

1115
01:56:52,334 --> 01:56:58,674
property rich in parks and others that ae, but say within the city of Saint Paul,

1116
01:56:58,674 --> 01:57:05,147
there's large, you know, about Parkland that is city of Saint Paul Parks, property. so

1117
01:57:05,147 --> 01:57:07,550
residue doesn't really distinguish between those 2 and what is available as we

1118
01:57:07,550 --> 01:57:14,757
try to look at those gaps and then try to like, where are those needs and how can we

1119
01:57:14,757 --> 01:57:22,632
invest? So I just feel like the budget cycle you know, the board obviously approved in

1120
01:57:22,632 --> 01:57:27,236
the capital improvement program. We asked for funding for renovating Lake County

1121
01:57:27,236 --> 01:57:33,709
Park, which is in one of those areas that would say, you know, a lower-income area and

1122
01:57:33,709 --> 01:57:41,500
has some cuts are part of the property is amenities at the park or not same level as you

1123
01:57:41,500 --> 01:57:46,589
would see in some our other facilities. And so trying bring that up, too, a more

1124
01:57:46,589 --> 01:57:51,594
equitable standard. This is what working on So I would say that yeah, it's a big piece of

1125
01:57:51,594 --> 01:57:58,000
how we're evaluating the privatization o funding requests and then try to go

1126
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:03,873
about, you know, egaging with community and getting the type of

1127
01:58:03,873 --> 01:58:10,790
>> And that's my my a follow-up was just the idea alignment of park and park and

1128
01:58:10,790 --> 01:58:13,282
amenities against the other opportunities within the community, whether it's a

1129
01:58:13,282 --> 01:58:18,221
municipal park, whether it's school district, you know, parks or playgrounds, whether

1130
01:58:18,221 --> 01:58:23,692
it's a private or nonprofit, you know, is there a big YMCA that has really great

1131
01:58:23,692 --> 01:58:27,897
amenities in the neighborhood just to make sure that we're using our investments in the

1132
01:58:27,897 --> 01:58:33,503
tax payers dollars and creating, as you know in it, you know, collective space to

1133
01:58:33,503 --> 01:58:35,972
say to ourselves not only where there are gaps that we can feel where the

1134
01:58:35,972 --> 01:58:42,712
duplications or we could back. And and just making sure that we're doing the best with the

1135
01:58:42,712 --> 01:58:47,316
dollars that we have in us in smartest way we can. >> commissioner, I'm saying

1136
01:58:47,316 --> 01:58:53,989
that something that we've been like. We try to weed with being strategic asked to do

1137
01:58:53,989 --> 01:58:58,994
that. And there are certain like pork happening says that I would say a municipal parks

1138
01:58:58,994 --> 01:59:07,394
and recreation department has versus Kelly Porter creation. So we are, you know, really

1139
01:59:09,672 --> 01:59:14,944
close communication or other partner agency leaders really try to be mindful as we look

1140
01:59:14,944 --> 01:59:24,944
at to who were visiting and mapping And we do have a map that shows like, yeah, we're a

1141
01:59:27,223 --> 01:59:29,692
community center where YMCA is where or how parkland minutes before a planned. So not

1142
01:59:29,692 --> 01:59:37,833
trying poke so things like community centers. That's not something are county is in the

1143
01:59:37,833 --> 01:59:41,437
business. So Where's Saint Paul operates a number of community centers. And so what

1144
01:59:41,437 --> 01:59:48,777
are going out to try to duplicate or youth sports we don't tend do Cities tend to

1145
01:59:48,777 --> 01:59:56,520
offer that type of programming. But may not have the type of like a natural

1146
01:59:56,520 --> 02:00:00,789
resource base programming that you see camera center try to move out into different parts

1147
02:00:00,789 --> 02:00:09,397
of the county. And so trying to again, try to try to have that for it. But you mention.

1148
02:00:09,397 --> 02:00:12,935
>> Yeah, and just say knowing that you within our building stronger together where we are

1149
02:00:12,935 --> 02:00:16,339
doing our best to to to look at, you know, what is the best use of all of the things that

1150
02:00:16,339 --> 02:00:23,145
we have? How are we maximizing a benefit to community and so I appreciate that strategic

1151
02:00:23,145 --> 02:00:30,218
coordination. >> Director for up to Saint Paul few times. I know I don't

1152
02:00:30,218 --> 02:00:36,358
have any county parks in my history. any county. In rates in Saint Paul.

1153
02:00:36,358 --> 02:00:46,358
>> Med, I'm sure there are the Boyd County, example, is city, all of the portion of it is

1154
02:00:47,570 --> 02:00:56,570
what Maplewood. The Lake County Park, the and there are same thing about vision for

1155
02:00:57,313 --> 02:01:00,316
It's right border numbers of Maplewood sexually made in Saint Paul.

1156
02:01:00,316 --> 02:01:05,721
>> Mostly Maplewood, maybe. >> It never write on the board. Yeah. There's rid of

1157
02:01:05,721 --> 02:01:13,462
the board there's a number arena facilities that are in the city of Saint Paul that we

1158
02:01:13,462 --> 02:01:21,262
operate. But as far I mentioned those couple examples. most of in pig's

1159
02:01:23,339 --> 02:01:28,210
eye, which is part beneficial for portions, about in city of Saint Paul that we operated.

1160
02:01:28,210 --> 02:01:33,882
So there is there are Saint Paul Parks recreation has a large number facilities,

1161
02:01:33,882 --> 02:01:41,682
really great system has property throughout this city. Where Winter? Kelly is fairly

1162
02:01:42,625 --> 02:01:49,565
limited in this Okay. Thank Commissioners on. >> And thank you. Madam Chair.

1163
02:01:49,565 --> 02:01:56,305
The first I just really want to say, you the work day I got apartment so dynamic in terms

1164
02:01:56,305 --> 02:02:04,780
of facility is the camp, the amount of work. So that's why probably choosing some of the

1165
02:02:04,780 --> 02:02:09,785
performance measure is difficult And I also wouldn't say that it's reflective of

1166
02:02:09,785 --> 02:02:16,580
the work that you are doing in terms of the engagement and also using that engagement to

1167
02:02:16,580 --> 02:02:18,860
help inform the programming and the work that you're doing. So I just want to say

1168
02:02:18,860 --> 02:02:27,936
thank you for doing that. A suggestion I have is, you know, I I think you're on this

1169
02:02:27,936 --> 02:02:33,609
track already about the number specific community engagement Sessions is that, you know,

1170
02:02:33,609 --> 02:02:37,480
you're not hearing from other communities and Ramsey counties. So that's you're

1171
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:45,554
leading into that. However, I would encourage the new to consider where we currently

1172
02:02:45,554 --> 02:02:50,909
have liked large programming investments, such as I think about large regional spaces

1173
02:02:50,909 --> 02:02:59,309
like the Tamarac Nature Center. TC all Sports arena, like looking their the program

1174
02:02:59,851 --> 02:03:07,859
and that we have there. And is creating a space communities of color or EU members feel

1175
02:03:07,859 --> 02:03:11,529
like they can utilize that space or utilize the programming. And they're able

1176
02:03:11,529 --> 02:03:20,938
to access it. So I I don't know if have anything to add or like the specific to

1177
02:03:20,938 --> 02:03:25,477
programming at T Arena as well as tamarac. >> Commissioners so. Yeah, I

1178
02:03:25,477 --> 02:03:31,477
would say to us. >> One of the >> benefits and challenges

1179
02:03:34,552 --> 02:03:42,160
that we tend to see users from areas like close proximity to facilities. to that's really

1180
02:03:42,160 --> 02:03:47,631
close to white Bear lake, we have a lot of weight for Lake residents that are utilizing

1181
02:03:47,631 --> 02:03:56,307
or technicians there. What township, a lot of residents from from area. Good news that

1182
02:03:56,307 --> 02:04:00,578
the that heard this before of just like, Gee, this is amazing program. Like how

1183
02:04:00,578 --> 02:04:05,490
residents from Saint Paul use that, you know, are where can we take the program bring it

1184
02:04:05,490 --> 02:04:10,855
over that way? So there's I think some of those obviously hopeful tougher in the ice

1185
02:04:10,855 --> 02:04:17,729
surreal. I think something that we do. We formed a partnership with Saint Paul

1186
02:04:17,729 --> 02:04:25,300
School district their early childhood education for Rams now have the opportunity to

1187
02:04:25,300 --> 02:04:29,607
all do a field trip to Tamarack. So I could get the numbers that but I want to

1188
02:04:29,607 --> 02:04:33,611
something like 30 different classrooms of childhood students came to temper this

1189
02:04:33,611 --> 02:04:40,418
past year and had and experience. And so that's I think those are ways like 4 in

1190
02:04:40,418 --> 02:04:45,623
those partnerships. And then, you know, baby offering incentives like transportation

1191
02:04:45,623 --> 02:04:50,294
or, you know, we can do for having come this far do. The transportation has been

1192
02:04:50,294 --> 02:04:55,166
something to like. How do we know serve other residents? Not just from like the

1193
02:04:55,166 --> 02:05:03,307
surrounding community at those facilities? Yes, that's And then that T Co or some of our.

1194
02:05:03,307 --> 02:05:08,446
>> I don't know than the other big ones. But TCL is the one that comes to my mind. But I

1195
02:05:08,446 --> 02:05:15,853
know that we have like open skating I feedback are like what I've experienced 2 and

1196
02:05:15,853 --> 02:05:21,992
also heard is that folks don't We haven't I skated like even though we have ice That's fee

1197
02:05:21,992 --> 02:05:26,630
Folks don't know how you set. So is there like an intro course orders some programming

1198
02:05:26,630 --> 02:05:35,406
that you can introduce and that this is intro course or just hour to learn basics of

1199
02:05:35,406 --> 02:05:41,879
how to ice skate through committee. finishers for him, pulled into state of day. We

1200
02:05:41,879 --> 02:05:45,215
have >> of. And is a bill that summer facility for that exact

1201
02:05:45,215 --> 02:05:52,220
purpose. And then I would say just some of field house that measurements of to sports

1202
02:05:52,220 --> 02:05:57,562
garden. So of was kind of funny that took office. We try to do a few years ago full

1203
02:05:57,562 --> 02:06:03,167
tough times. It's just like toddlers that are Walker also in winter time with families

1204
02:06:03,167 --> 02:06:09,240
with in the wintertime where we had, you know, people are indoors. They're cooped up and

1205
02:06:09,240 --> 02:06:15,446
things like We just had some daytime use that was available and open that up for free

1206
02:06:15,446 --> 02:06:20,651
time. And like the word spread like crazy. And so. >> It i a really interesting

1207
02:06:20,651 --> 02:06:28,926
to see what was growth exponential growth like every day care center. or just

1208
02:06:28,926 --> 02:06:34,465
individual families are going as you wasn't walk around or have like open play time. And

1209
02:06:34,465 --> 02:06:40,400
so 2 point try like. >> Not just like it's important, generate revenue.

1210
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:45,676
And, you know, so this time. But where there are opportunities like, how do we

1211
02:06:45,676 --> 02:06:52,820
kind open open that up for success ability and wider audiences to purchase? yes,

1212
02:06:52,820 --> 02:06:57,621
absolutely. And my other one is just around kayaks that you had mentioned, too.

1213
02:06:57,621 --> 02:07:02,693
>> You know, there is a barrier for like just to be able to have to right? Like if

1214
02:07:02,693 --> 02:07:10,368
you have a kayak, you need a big You need storage. And do we have rentals available for

1215
02:07:10,368 --> 02:07:17,975
kayaks to are we looking at our regional lakes in areas where it is accessible or up

1216
02:07:17,975 --> 02:07:22,112
to the standard that we have in other lakes throughout the commissioners are so yeah,

1217
02:07:22,112 --> 02:07:28,719
just to think this is just our second summer of working with a vendor that has a

1218
02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:32,389
>> stations at various for facilities where we've had like rental kayaks, socially

1219
02:07:32,389 --> 02:07:42,389
kiosks to go and then you can stand. skin check out a kayak for a couple hours and then

1220
02:07:43,200 --> 02:07:46,937
return it. And we've hosted with our staff report says some like learned to kayak

1221
02:07:46,937 --> 02:07:52,900
because we've also heard that like such as they do have on its south of Florida. How so

1222
02:07:52,900 --> 02:08:00,485
having some times where, you know, we've got out especially resources to like read those

1223
02:08:00,485 --> 02:08:04,221
kayaks and that offer their free program where a program that's up a program. But we're

1224
02:08:04,221 --> 02:08:11,696
offering staff in color. >> into program. those are resources that we've got kind

1225
02:08:11,696 --> 02:08:14,498
of scattered throughout a helpful part right now. >> Okay. Yeah. That that is

1226
02:08:14,498 --> 02:08:22,774
great to hear. >> And then finally, I just want to name at that in for

1227
02:08:22,774 --> 02:08:27,440
your culturally specific facilitate programs and services like here. I just

1228
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:33,851
want to highlight and uplift You know, these are things that are considering and have

1229
02:08:33,851 --> 02:08:38,589
been doing such as purchasing equipment program, equipment, such as by archery equipment,

1230
02:08:38,589 --> 02:08:45,329
fishing here, cross country skis to reduce barriers to I think it's just really

1231
02:08:45,329 --> 02:08:50,735
important that we left that up and about how you know, you're taking the feedback. They are

1232
02:08:50,735 --> 02:08:54,739
ready hear from community members and implementing it. >> Thank you. Commissioners.

1233
02:08:54,739 --> 02:08:59,477
would say it's going, you know, we've got it on our website and trying to kind of

1234
02:08:59,477 --> 02:09:03,481
make known. But that's not going like educational piece to is just making sure that

1235
02:09:03,481 --> 02:09:09,860
people like if this is available, if you can rent a kayak or we do have archery

1236
02:09:09,860 --> 02:09:13,290
equipment that you can try were bikes that, you know, you can take out on trail. So

1237
02:09:13,290 --> 02:09:18,306
there is a lot in just trying to like make people aware that's even an that they can.

1238
02:09:18,306 --> 02:09:24,906
You us. >> Thank you. is 5 11. We have 2 more speakers. We're going

1239
02:09:26,114 --> 02:09:34,188
take a quick break. Have there. at commission and commended that crispy. And if

1240
02:09:34,188 --> 02:09:38,590
you're going to come back to do a presentation on public works in because I know

1241
02:09:38,590 --> 02:09:43,331
director ice and he's so much to share with >> And so

1242
02:09:43,331 --> 02:09:49,203
>> Why thank In a chair. Just thank you so much for your presentation for all the work

1243
02:09:49,203 --> 02:09:56,277
that you and your team are doing. director McCAbe and you have it's a challenge to be

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balancing. You know, all all of the different needs of our community. And you know where

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02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:07,222
our parks are making facilities available for everyone in every way. And I

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02:10:07,222 --> 02:10:13,961
think working on it and thank your continued work in that just who I am. I so appreciate

1247
02:10:13,961 --> 02:10:20,769
questions of my colleagues and I just want like that. I appreciate that. You're

1248
02:10:20,769 --> 02:10:24,706
available to partner with committee. With community comes to you. And so that's a

1249
02:10:24,706 --> 02:10:28,242
that's great thing to do. community brings funding to you. Your your always

1250
02:10:28,242 --> 02:10:33,715
available for that. Some communities are bringing funding to you and so is

1251
02:10:33,715 --> 02:10:38,252
always have to be aware of that. And that's going to thank you fr, of course, the

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02:10:38,252 --> 02:10:45,393
community. All those cuts could use years. You know, they really wanted place at

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Battle Creek they wnt to the legislature. We wnt to the legislature that money get

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02:10:48,662 --> 02:10:55,336
funding for it. And it's an amazing facility actually getting gratitude from all

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02:10:55,336 --> 02:11:01,342
people that use it. It's well-used area and they do provide, you know, I think you

1256
02:11:01,342 --> 02:11:04,945
do have free equipment for people and, you know, on certain days that they can

1257
02:11:04,945 --> 02:11:09,884
come learn to ski and use it because it's in the community. Why don't you know skiing? Has

1258
02:11:09,884 --> 02:11:15,623
it been, you know, as a recreation? So I just appreciate that you're doing

1259
02:11:15,623 --> 02:11:22,696
that. I know out in Cairns, like which is one of our part you know, the community want

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to put some art there. So they've got a grant to put except there you worked with

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02:11:27,350 --> 02:11:32,106
us. We put mosaics. there's a park. Every part wants it now. But, you know, they're just

1262
02:11:32,106 --> 02:11:36,444
has to be some funding. So, you know that you're you're you're just so willing to be

1263
02:11:36,444 --> 02:11:41,649
creative in and work with community and we get it encourage community come for

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02:11:41,649 --> 02:11:49,123
funding the parts were there because and Sen, you That funding for that? You know,

1265
02:11:49,123 --> 02:11:53,394
it's not like we can do everything as a county. We have to get these partnership

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02:11:53,394 --> 02:11:57,265
funding sign. I think we all can encourage members of our community to say, listen, we

1267
02:11:57,265 --> 02:12:04,605
are willing to partner help us with funding help us. France and we will do this work. You

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I just appreciate so much. Your willingness to be open to that and doing all that work.

1269
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So thank you so much. And you brought up something tat it that I know we dealing with

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that this trust is community with government. And I think Metro really contributed to

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02:12:23,424 --> 02:12:28,429
that and it does impact even whether people want to engage in community like People don't

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02:12:28,429 --> 02:12:34,635
want to go you know, any government funds sponsored sessions for fear of what they

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02:12:34,635 --> 02:12:40,308
might find that. So I you know, know that that's just something we're going to have

1274
02:12:40,308 --> 02:12:47,648
to keep stressing the community. meeting with us is a safe is a safe place. And

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02:12:47,648 --> 02:12:52,920
you know, we we want to engage in community and I appreciate that. You that brought that up

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02:12:52,920 --> 02:12:58,125
and we do need to keep continuing to have, you know, forward thinking community

1277
02:12:58,125 --> 02:13:01,929
engagement, Sessions, where we don't just sit in a room wait for community to come to You

1278
02:13:01,929 --> 02:13:06,267
know, we go out community and I I've notice if you're working hard to

1279
02:13:06,267 --> 02:13:10,471
to get that to happen. And for the parks that are in my district. I appreciate that.

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You're working with our our city partners. You know, you should partner with Rolesville

1281
02:13:17,745 --> 02:13:20,815
recreation when we have a park there. You know, we have the park space. They have the

1282
02:13:20,815 --> 02:13:23,350
recreation pogram and I appreciate that. You're working on that as well

1283
02:13:23,350 --> 02:13:30,291
because those are all great. Great down its great value to our residents to do all that.

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02:13:30,291 --> 02:13:35,363
So just thank you for trying to balance everything in for listening to community and us

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02:13:35,363 --> 02:13:40,835
and we'll just keep working working with our community on that as well to get our people

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02:13:40,835 --> 02:13:46,507
checked to work with us. So thank you so much. Thank Madam Chair commissioners I just

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02:13:46,507 --> 02:13:51,646
want to 6. They haven't quite seen a slide >> Summarizes the conversation

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02:13:51,646 --> 02:13:57,785
probably as well as director McCAbe, strategic Outlook Slide. So a final You kow,

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02:13:57,785 --> 02:14:01,522
that parents will continue to seek partners to effectively engage residents. Staff will

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02:14:01,522 --> 02:14:06,461
continue to seek opportunities to lobby the state legislature commissioned. Why are, as you

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02:14:06,461 --> 02:14:11,399
just noted Stephen Work and growing partnership to expand program offerings, introduce

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02:14:11,399 --> 02:14:18,405
various because Patient Commission for in partnership finance parts will explore the

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02:14:18,405 --> 02:14:22,343
resident nonresident fees. And then I will just add as a complement to the slide. You

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02:14:22,343 --> 02:14:26,413
know, to Commissioner Jeff sings Point, making sure that we understand where to invest,

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02:14:26,413 --> 02:14:28,683
why we're investing and how are investing across the geography. That is Ramsey

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02:14:28,683 --> 02:14:34,489
County. I just wanted to let that office under. McCain been very insightful, thoughtful

1297
02:14:34,489 --> 02:14:41,696
about that as well. So county manager yeah, I'm I'm just going to be one 0nd. I think

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it's just that first bullet around seeking partners to engage residents. And this is

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mark. I really appreciate that. The evolution of the work of the department over

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02:14:50,238 --> 02:14:54,241
time and it's made a lot of strides on that first flight. >> It's something I'm

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02:14:54,241 --> 02:14:59,180
encouraging every department, though, like 1, 1, way we can keeping engaging as people who

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02:14:59,180 --> 02:15:01,582
are actually coming in our doors and actually are involved in county programs.

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02:15:01,582 --> 02:15:06,654
So I would encourage, you know, partnering with other departments like as this

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02:15:06,654 --> 02:15:11,391
measure evolves. I would love to measures how many engagement that we do in

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02:15:11,391 --> 02:15:16,397
partnership with other county departments. Wre you at the mother's first baby shower

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where you at 119, occasionally where you at the service center like to me

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02:15:20,134 --> 02:15:23,271
actually being at the park and doing the engagement, feels a little bit like those people

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02:15:23,271 --> 02:15:28,750
had to get there. But they are coming to us in a variety of ways. And our crew forced

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02:15:28,750 --> 02:15:32,219
location. You know. So to me, it's like, how do we do that with a little simply as one

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02:15:32,219 --> 02:15:37,357
Ramsey County? And that's not just on parks and rec, think it would limited resources if

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02:15:37,357 --> 02:15:41,896
we're trying hit populations that have high need. Those are the ones actually coming in

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our doors. So thank you. All right. We thank you for that. You want

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>> It? Sure yeah, because your calls win over things here. But to have a couple slides,

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we didn't hit. So just use a just to wrap things up. >> one thing that I just hit

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02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:09,256
just reviewed recently that I think are taxpayers can feel good about our board can feel

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02:16:09,256 --> 02:16:16,456
good about looking at percentage of the fund's that's of this department

1317
02:16:17,330 --> 02:16:20,734
receives for sins of our other partner agencies like Saint Paul, County for the Scott

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02:16:20,734 --> 02:16:26,734
County Washington. >> They receive anywhere from 35% to 65% o their revenues

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02:16:28,809 --> 02:16:35,883
through levy funds where our levee phones 30%. And so meaning that we're generating

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02:16:35,883 --> 02:16:41,822
70% of our revenues through fee-based program. So, >> you know, being pretty

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02:16:41,822 --> 02:16:46,360
officials as compared to our other partners that more reliant on why the resources.

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So I think this something we can without them feel. feel really good about

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>> Difficult >> as your calls mentioned a few other things, but ongoing

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02:16:58,171 --> 02:17:05,971
challenges that we have a I think she covered >> Pretty well programming and

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02:17:06,579 --> 02:17:09,249
people's recreational. to evolve over time. So we do have to continue to be, you

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02:17:09,249 --> 02:17:17,123
know, open to new things continue to evolve. I don't know if like AI bots looking

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up like my presentation, whatever. But I saw mass culls hierarchy of needs popped up

1328
02:17:22,262 --> 02:17:25,799
on computer screen the other day very base level. It's like you're, you know, people need

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02:17:25,799 --> 02:17:30,404
their physiological needs their food, water, shelter. And then the very next level

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02:17:30,404 --> 02:17:35,275
actually was like health and talked about what the benefits of, you know, things like I'm

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02:17:35,275 --> 02:17:39,346
It doesn't speak specifically to purchase creation, but the benefits physical and mental

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02:17:39,346 --> 02:17:43,884
well-being. And so that was interesting of permit and going up the skills like,

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02:17:43,884 --> 02:17:49,356
well, this is really foundational the people's needs is the things that we

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02:17:49,356 --> 02:17:55,829
do. And so again, I think that really contribute to our residents overall, health and

1335
02:17:55,829 --> 02:17:58,765
well-being really take that role very seriously. And I think staff as well. So thank

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you for your time. Thank you. resists lows by saying. >> Commissioner who does not

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02:18:06,440 --> 02:18:12,440
any county partially lifts in district. That I've gotten over

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02:18:15,515 --> 02:18:25,115
because on a cause, when our parks and Recs our suburban areas have had impressed by

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02:18:27,994 --> 02:18:32,733
him. >> Well, keep the engagement, program means that is is

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02:18:32,733 --> 02:18:39,205
taking place within those locations. >> You it's not often that I

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see in Urban core and defeat. live in court in the suburbs. >> What you rent to bikes and

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02:18:45,479 --> 02:18:47,481
archery equipment and fishing here in Kos country just doesn't happen in the same

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02:18:47,481 --> 02:18:56,757
type of way. In my experience is very in Al Parks and Recs in Saint Paul. But I clearly

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02:18:56,757 --> 02:19:01,828
see the the investments in the work that he's put into. So the county's parks and recs.

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02:19:01,828 --> 02:19:07,568
And so I just want to thank you for the work that you do to keep them up to people who

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02:19:07,568 --> 02:19:13,374
diversify into engaged a community members and how to continue to improve our parks

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and recs. Across Benton County it. It makes a difference when means a lot. Thank you, Madam

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And we're continue work closely with safe. Also, I know I know what's going on,

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would say says Riviera >> But thank you so much. It's going to take break. A 10

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minute break. And we're gonna come back. 11. 25 and we're going to die for it to have

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>> we want to get, you know, a formal welcome. >> I feel hopefully my

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presentation live up though, locally in for And I'm grateful discuss with Public

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works and all of the measures that we have to Public works. a group of

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>> somewhere around 160. Plus fabulous individuals. >> They are engaged in

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managing over 293 miles accounting rules or see construction maintenance, snow

1400
02:32:14,304 --> 02:32:18,504
removal and environmental services. >> And multi-modal planning.

1401
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:24,982
is responsible for the development maintenance of a multi-modal transportation

1402
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system that prioritizes the needs of pedestrians, bicycles, buses, trains, cars

1403
02:32:28,652 --> 02:32:36,326
and trucks. The growth and maintenance of the system enables people to connect to

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02:32:36,326 --> 02:32:40,798
the places that they want to go within and outside of the county. While enhancing the

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02:32:40,798 --> 02:32:49,198
safety and functionality of the counties, transportation of work for all users So they

1406
02:32:49,740 --> 02:32:53,477
all speak to you about a couple key performance measures that we track and

1407
02:32:53,477 --> 02:32:59,349
public works as well as how these measures advanced key initiatives just building

1408
02:32:59,349 --> 02:33:02,419
stronger together. The delivery of an expanded construction program by a

1409
02:33:02,419 --> 02:33:10,819
board of a directed redirect the funds to expand multiple facilities. Across the county.

1410
02:33:12,229 --> 02:33:21,829
on the The measures that we are here to discuss today. They weave together number of

1411
02:33:32,983 --> 02:33:40,783
both operational and capital. >> And pardon is for us in business. The measures

1412
02:33:40,924 --> 02:33:43,526
represent the overall health of the infrastructure and how our operation impacts health

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02:33:43,526 --> 02:33:52,402
and safety. The health and safety of the residents and So we'll we'll speak to rating of

1414
02:33:52,402 --> 02:33:54,671
road pavement condition percent of system in poor condition, which I know all of

1415
02:33:54,671 --> 02:34:02,479
you. Scott's regularly will talk about the rate of crashes on the county road system. And

1416
02:34:02,479 --> 02:34:10,279
then chloride levels and Ramsey coming weeks. These measures are are important in

1417
02:34:10,353 --> 02:34:13,890
terms of identifying the places where we make the improvements in our

1418
02:34:13,890 --> 02:34:18,940
transportation system. And approving on these measures, improve the quality of life

1419
02:34:18,940 --> 02:34:27,940
for him county residents and the environment that we all enjoy here. The first lady

1420
02:34:27,170 --> 02:34:36,770
speak to is a rating of county road pavement condition. For sense of system important. The

1421
02:34:37,246 --> 02:34:41,584
council local results reports Pima conditions as a payment quality and the As an

1422
02:34:41,584 --> 02:34:47,457
assessment of the condition of the overall roadway network. Individual payments segment

1423
02:34:47,457 --> 02:34:49,859
conditions are combined into an aggregate number representing overall network

1424
02:34:49,859 --> 02:34:55,331
condition. This measure provides the state of our payment and modeling can

1425
02:34:55,331 --> 02:34:59,147
estimate the anticipated impacts. >> Of various investment

1426
02:34:59,147 --> 02:35:05,747
levels allocated to people progress. This foundational element and forms pavement,

1427
02:35:06,621 --> 02:35:10,158
rehabilitation projects based on current and future project in conditions to achieve the

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02:35:10,158 --> 02:35:17,966
goal of having 12%. Or less of the network poor condition. Poor condition is defined as a

1429
02:35:17,966 --> 02:35:24,639
segment of roadway that has significant crack in potholes and other issues to the point

1430
02:35:24,639 --> 02:35:28,309
where the structure of the roadway is visibly deteriorating. A goal of 12%

1431
02:35:28,309 --> 02:35:33,782
of the network means that at a point in time there would be roughly 35 miles pavement in

1432
02:35:33,782 --> 02:35:40,382
poor condition. This goal is roughly consistent with peer transportation agencies

1433
02:35:40,989 --> 02:35:45,727
allowing us the benchmark for system in comparison to others. And as a benchmark all

1434
02:35:45,727 --> 02:35:52,927
say conversation with our friends Metro. With similar classification to the county's

1435
02:35:54,269 --> 02:35:58,740
roads. goal for the poor condition is 8%. They ae projecting to be at 14%. And

1436
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so. >> gives you a good sense for where we are relative to me. 2

1437
02:36:04,746 --> 02:36:10,146
others. >> Ramsey County invests. Across all the ways to

1438
02:36:12,687 --> 02:36:17,559
optimize pavement conditions. This includes reconstructing roads that are in poor

1439
02:36:17,559 --> 02:36:20,495
condition as well as doing strategic pavement treatments to keep pavements in good

1440
02:36:20,495 --> 02:36:25,433
condition. Several poor condition roadways are program for replacement, which would

1441
02:36:25,433 --> 02:36:28,360
lead to a reduction in the miles of roadway in poor condition over the next 5

1442
02:36:28,360 --> 02:36:33,375
years. Public works also analyzes for payment to ensure conditions are equitable

1443
02:36:33,375 --> 02:36:39,375
across the county. worth noting maintaining good payment cheaper than

1444
02:36:40,470 --> 02:36:43,452
addressing poor pay and considering we don't have the resources to reconstruct every

1445
02:36:43,452 --> 02:36:48,256
segment of Roma County in the next 25 years, our program will need to be a balance of

1446
02:36:48,256 --> 02:36:54,256
those strategic investments notable reconstruction. Recent weather trends, a proven

1447
02:36:56,932 --> 02:37:00,735
challenging and maintaining pavement conditions temperatures hover around the

1448
02:37:00,735 --> 02:37:07,342
free-fall thresholds. That is a dramatic impact on pavement conditions. And pavement

1449
02:37:07,342 --> 02:37:14,149
condition. This One of the most frequent hear about and the such remains an important

1450
02:37:14,149 --> 02:37:24,149
indicator for Let's we'll talk to a ball rate of crashes on the county which Again, the

1451
02:37:32,167 --> 02:37:38,707
council on local results reports the actual number of crashes. Our emphasis for the

1452
02:37:38,707 --> 02:37:43,978
last several years has been on systemwide crash rates. The crash reported in crashes per

1453
02:37:43,978 --> 02:37:49,584
million vehicle Miles traveled. The system wide view reflects broader changes.

1454
02:37:49,584 --> 02:37:54,255
We've implemented from the work we're doing converting 4 three-lane facilities

1455
02:37:54,255 --> 02:37:57,993
implementing calming measures like roundabouts. The goal is to drive the overall crash

1456
02:37:57,993 --> 02:38:04,866
rate down across the system. We continue to track both crashes and data points on a

1457
02:38:04,866 --> 02:38:10,138
segment basis is that is important to design at a project. What we're doing a

1458
02:38:10,138 --> 02:38:12,941
lot to affect safety changes for safer roads segment designs and quarter approaches

1459
02:38:12,941 --> 02:38:19,681
to reduce peace. There are challenges we continue to see higher average speeds on the

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02:38:19,681 --> 02:38:21,616
overall road network which contributes to both the frequency and severity of

1461
02:38:21,616 --> 02:38:27,823
crashes. We also see a continued incidents of distracted driving resulting

1462
02:38:27,823 --> 02:38:34,896
in crashes that unrelated to sites. The crash rate, a number of crashes have

1463
02:38:34,896 --> 02:38:41,496
plateaued over the last several years and 2019 1851 crashes reported on Ramsey

1464
02:38:42,971 --> 02:38:50,171
County Roads in 2025 there are 1490 reported crashes. Crash rates are calculated by

1465
02:38:50,311 --> 02:38:55,517
dividing the number of crashes by the annual traffic volume. To develop a crash rate per

1466
02:38:55,517 --> 02:39:03,317
million vehicle miles traveled on roadway. Investment in rebuilding roads that have a

1467
02:39:03,391 --> 02:39:05,393
high crash rate way, specifically Ray Street, which had the highest crash rate in

1468
02:39:05,393 --> 02:39:09,997
the county. It is anticipated these investments will result in an overall reduction in

1469
02:39:09,997 --> 02:39:16,805
crashes in crash rates going forward. Measuring press rates on the county road system

1470
02:39:16,805 --> 02:39:22,544
provides a lens as the 4 rows are for a range of transportation. recent this 5

1471
02:39:22,544 --> 02:39:27,882
years ago, Ramsey County had the second highest crash rate for county roads in Minnesota.

1472
02:39:27,882 --> 02:39:31,285
This means our system puts our residents and users that a disproportionate level crash

1473
02:39:31,285 --> 02:39:36,691
risk. Public works has been making strategic investments to systematically address the

1474
02:39:36,691 --> 02:39:40,895
crash rates on our system into its. >> Addressing locations on our

1475
02:39:40,895 --> 02:39:46,340
road network with the highest pressure. It's. making changes to the roads in favor of

1476
02:39:46,340 --> 02:39:52,634
designs with much lower likelihood, precious. specific example of this is

1477
02:39:52,974 --> 02:39:58,179
transitioning four-lane road 3 lanes which have an expected 50% lower crash. based on that

1478
02:39:58,179 --> 02:40:06,579
design. Fresh rates decrease with each invest. Although you'll note the raid to Very

1479
02:40:07,722 --> 02:40:14,795
incremental in terms of its change. Safety improvements are funded through a variety

1480
02:40:14,795 --> 02:40:17,799
of means including local, state and federal funds. Depending on the project

1481
02:40:17,799 --> 02:40:23,671
needed funding eligibility. Public were still continue to transition. The transportation

1482
02:40:23,671 --> 02:40:30,345
network toward safer designs and the data is trending in the right direction. Some of

1483
02:40:30,345 --> 02:40:32,547
the continuing challenges to improve safety conditions are related to distracted driving

1484
02:40:32,547 --> 02:40:38,620
and higher average speeds. The public works continue. Seek partnerships with various

1485
02:40:38,620 --> 02:40:46,420
agencies to read the speeds and improve conditions to address distracted driving. it

1486
02:40:54,340 --> 02:40:59,774
comes to poor levels. the county leaks. Higher salt usage on paved services in the

1487
02:40:59,774 --> 02:41:06,374
water should leads to higher salt concentrations. Tracking chloride. Concentrations is

1488
02:41:06,781 --> 02:41:08,917
relatively recent development response to rising concerns. Well, water quality more

1489
02:41:08,917 --> 02:41:15,990
general. The county aims to use less salt were possible as less than the core of impacts

1490
02:41:15,990 --> 02:41:24,390
were water bodies for tax or aquatic organizing organisms overall or fall. Poor levels

1491
02:41:24,406 --> 02:41:27,408
fluctuate based on other factors on a variety factors. But the overall trend is that

1492
02:41:27,408 --> 02:41:34,820
the levels from 2025 and beyond look to decrease. The number reported is the average

1493
02:41:34,820 --> 02:41:41,282
milligram level of chloride leave. Future work to maintain performance includes working

1494
02:41:41,356 --> 02:41:48,230
with county staff to devise management strategies decrease all views over time. And using

1495
02:41:48,230 --> 02:41:52,434
technology to accurately track soldiers shun and weather patterns as a planning tool

1496
02:41:52,434 --> 02:41:56,370
while staying updated on new innovations in snow and ice control and collaborating with

1497
02:41:56,370 --> 02:42:01,437
other county departments. State technical experts, Watershed District Partners.

1498
02:42:01,643 --> 02:42:10,510
In an effort to help teach and advise on management differ. To do a quarter Frankel

1499
02:42:10,510 --> 02:42:12,921
management resources to folklore rides will be beneficial to our budget. In

1500
02:42:12,921 --> 02:42:20,595
addition to having to helping to ensure that a waterfall. As a reference. We are in the

1501
02:42:20,595 --> 02:42:28,395
process of purchasing 9,000 tons of salt for winter use tissue. Which will cost

1502
02:42:28,669 --> 02:42:35,143
somewhere in the neighborhood of $600,000. So the degree can manage that resource. It has a

1503
02:42:35,143 --> 02:42:43,751
real fiscal impact for us. Some of the challenges will be balancing public desires for

1504
02:42:43,751 --> 02:42:47,689
optimal winter road conditions against those levels. And assessing implement. The

1505
02:42:47,689 --> 02:42:53,428
public works represents it's. Potential other sources. And as we've talked about with the

1506
02:42:53,428 --> 02:43:02,104
board and others. Public works is but one contributor to the overall Cora news. But still

1507
02:43:02,104 --> 02:43:05,640
important for us to manage you both for more financial perspective as well as for

1508
02:43:05,640 --> 02:43:13,440
environmental impact of the county. We will continue to work closely with watershed

1509
02:43:14,850 --> 02:43:17,452
districts and watershed management organizations as well as with partner agencies

1510
02:43:17,452 --> 02:43:22,524
to manage levels. Alright levels and are impacts and we continue to make strides in

1511
02:43:22,524 --> 02:43:30,324
terms of. Types project resources that we implement with our projects to address

1512
02:43:30,532 --> 02:43:39,532
what call roll. course, is in the process. Of implementing a number of technologies. When

1513
02:43:46,748 --> 02:43:52,420
it comes to improving measures. you think of or transportation planner

1514
02:43:52,420 --> 02:43:58,827
transportation plan and gauges. A lot more scientific approach to where and how we

1515
02:43:58,827 --> 02:44:08,427
address things. What are the levels at which we're managing the the overall system? She to

1516
02:44:08,703 --> 02:44:11,839
be live will be our asset management system. We're expecting that to come online

1517
02:44:11,839 --> 02:44:16,911
sometime next. You. And that will give us a much more refined picture, both

1518
02:44:16,911 --> 02:44:22,984
geographically as well as condition was where assets are and or most efficient terms of

1519
02:44:22,984 --> 02:44:31,384
addressing. Infrastructure issues in the right places at the right Also as we key

1520
02:44:36,531 --> 02:44:41,936
initiatives that we've spoken to such as building together in the overall program, these

1521
02:44:41,936 --> 02:44:49,736
investments will also improve these measures. terms of ongoing challenges. One of the

1522
02:44:49,744 --> 02:44:53,882
key issues will be about weather, weather, weather, weather weather trends will

1523
02:44:53,882 --> 02:45:01,820
continue. >> moderate. Ugly enough when we have a long cold winter, it

1524
02:45:01,355 --> 02:45:09,297
actually those less harm to our system, then that those that have water temperature

1525
02:45:09,297 --> 02:45:15,370
which hovers around the freestyle point. Last year. I believe we had 38 different

1526
02:45:15,370 --> 02:45:19,240
snow events where our folks were on the roads. Whether they were plowing or just

1527
02:45:19,240 --> 02:45:25,513
applying salt. So that's another We have more people on the road times with more. More

1528
02:45:25,513 --> 02:45:35,513
things. So that's a a key issue for us. All wrap up by saying. rcognize the context

1529
02:45:39,327 --> 02:45:47,127
in which we're living. Resources are and these hard times for everyone and

1530
02:45:47,735 --> 02:45:52,339
stewardship of cost savings are important. We're part of the county like everybody

1531
02:45:52,339 --> 02:46:00,739
else. So. We'll continue to seek other funding sources to supplement our work. We've

1532
02:46:00,882 --> 02:46:05,620
great success over the last several years seeking a variety of different funds and

1533
02:46:05,620 --> 02:46:14,620
we continue to have that success. And we'll keep working on that. With a goal

1534
02:46:16,631 --> 02:46:24,439
of minimizing our impact on our general Levy. When it comes to asset management

1535
02:46:24,439 --> 02:46:28,420
technology, very optimistic in terms of having seen these systems employed and what they

1536
02:46:28,420 --> 02:46:35,116
can do for the operation of the organization. And really refined picture of. The assets

1537
02:46:35,116 --> 02:46:39,521
and their conditions so that your really optimally timing where you are, where you're

1538
02:46:39,521 --> 02:46:47,461
working. impact to the public. wear and tear on better management of the overall.

1539
02:46:47,461 --> 02:46:57,461
Assets. When it comes When it comes to fleet. I think we look forward to that over the

1540
02:47:00,475 --> 02:47:10,285
coming year or so. Looking at. How we Update that model. And I think that getting into a

1541
02:47:10,285 --> 02:47:16,291
new model of fleet and having provide the level of services that the county, variety of

1542
02:47:16,291 --> 02:47:20,228
county departments need. going to be important. But it's going to take a lot of

1543
02:47:20,228 --> 02:47:25,766
creativity. And it's gonna take technology and fleet a little further down the path

1544
02:47:25,766 --> 02:47:30,104
in terms o technology, which I think is going to help us. going to take all that to to

1545
02:47:30,104 --> 02:47:36,577
see those changes come Just as a point of reference, I think. any given time Fleet is

1546
02:47:36,577 --> 02:47:42,500
providing service to somewhere 12 of the 15 departments in the county. So there's there's

1547
02:47:42,500 --> 02:47:51,650
a lot of Liege in terms of providing services to the broader county. With the All

1548
02:47:52,147 --> 02:47:58,147
right. Thank Commission a real life. >> Good morning. Good morning.

1549
02:48:00,422 --> 02:48:03,959
>> OK, my question goes back to let's go to our first slide of a couple questions.

1550
02:48:03,959 --> 02:48:12,500
>> So rating of county road pavement and I understand that 17% of our county roads are in

1551
02:48:12,500 --> 02:48:18,390
poor condition are rated in poor condition. My first question are these roads that

1552
02:48:18,390 --> 02:48:24,112
we maintain our they just in general, all roads in Ramsey County just a measure of Madam

1553
02:48:24,112 --> 02:48:27,782
Chair commissioner. This is just a measure for county roads. Those sort of roads

1554
02:48:27,782 --> 02:48:31,186
that we may. We may not our county roads that like the city of Saint Paul maintains

1555
02:48:31,186 --> 02:48:34,922
or includes going gets that okay. >> And then my next one goes

1556
02:48:34,922 --> 02:48:40,262
to. >> Is the future investments that we're making and the

1557
02:48:40,262 --> 02:48:45,667
plans we have to fix some of these roads. Is that help us reach our goal or bring us

1558
02:48:45,667 --> 02:48:52,807
close to our goals of 14% by 2028. And then 12% of for 2030. Yes, it does. Okay.

1559
02:48:52,807 --> 02:48:58,146
>> And then I. >> Does this also like how does that work with the

1560
02:48:58,146 --> 02:49:01,549
transfer of roads? I kow that we've transferred a few roads into our system where we've

1561
02:49:01,549 --> 02:49:08,423
transferred a few roads out of our system over the last 6, 8, months. How does that also how

1562
02:49:08,423 --> 02:49:13,762
does that also tie into? And I know I can white bear lake like we've made it very clear

1563
02:49:13,762 --> 02:49:20,702
we will not tke over ownership of that road until it is fixed rate cell right?

1564
02:49:20,702 --> 02:49:23,772
>> So it's a it's an interesting question. From a performance measure

1565
02:49:23,772 --> 02:49:26,107
standpoint. >> So typically, if we were to take on the road, typically

1566
02:49:26,107 --> 02:49:34,850
take a road win. It >> New conditions right? And so that would be. Kind of a

1567
02:49:34,850 --> 02:49:43,858
net 0 to our And so far is that it would ongoing liability. At some point we

1568
02:49:43,858 --> 02:49:47,261
would need to maintain it to a point where it would stay either.

1569
02:49:47,261 --> 02:49:55,203
>> In good or fair poor. When it comes to. A system. And one we.

1570
02:49:55,203 --> 02:50:00,809
>> Fix up a road and turn it over to a city. It's a little bit of a strange thing that we

1571
02:50:00,809 --> 02:50:03,944
invest in that for it to be in good condition. And then we give it to someone else. And

1572
02:50:03,944 --> 02:50:08,883
so the benefit of that is that over the long term, we no longer have that maintenance

1573
02:50:08,883 --> 02:50:16,424
liability. And there's larger conversation of all who's going to get the right level

1574
02:50:16,424 --> 02:50:20,295
of attention if it's not road that really belongs in county system. So that there's it's

1575
02:50:20,295 --> 02:50:29,437
complex picture. But I. >> It is a a I don't know how I would characterize it in

1576
02:50:29,437 --> 02:50:33,308
terms as net benefit or detriment to our measure. Bt >> it would look like we've

1577
02:50:33,308 --> 02:50:39,848
invested in segment of road to get in good condition and that it would disappear fom our

1578
02:50:39,848 --> 02:50:45,854
system. So it makes sense us. Okay. >> And the last point it says

1579
02:50:45,854 --> 02:50:51,325
the data collected by MIN DOT every other year. W do. am assuming do that. We do our

1580
02:50:51,325 --> 02:50:58,265
own data collection assessment on our roads as well. Are we just taking Collection and

1581
02:50:58,265 --> 02:51:02,137
what do they do with that information? Is that like score like a Ramsey? You're up

1582
02:51:02,137 --> 02:51:09,937
here at 17%. But Hannah that 20 or nope, is that 14 right? >> Madam Chair Commissioner

1583
02:51:10,211 --> 02:51:13,481
disagree question. And this is one of those places where I always say that we were here

1584
02:51:13,481 --> 02:51:22,481
for your detailed needs, a new step through that door. So the second interesting question.

1585
02:51:22,757 --> 02:51:29,357
So the way that it's >> Mendota assesses assesses road conditions through.

1586
02:51:30,765 --> 02:51:37,305
>> A very high tech fan. and they drive a certain they drive with a certain way with

1587
02:51:37,305 --> 02:51:42,443
a whole protocol. And there's a there's a very sensitive device in van that helps us

1588
02:51:42,443 --> 02:51:48,443
understand. >> Okay. And so. >> The value of that is that

1589
02:51:50,251 --> 02:51:55,790
it's a consistent approach statewide. It's all men doubt about it, which there's their

1590
02:51:55,790 --> 02:51:59,727
roads. That's how they do it for some cities. Not all cities do that. most counties

1591
02:51:59,727 --> 02:52:07,802
do that as well. It's a little bit of an oddity that the only to every other year, which

1592
02:52:07,802 --> 02:52:13,942
means of our data can look a little funny from time to time and it's not current. we don't

1593
02:52:13,942 --> 02:52:17,612
mean not that w don't understand what the road condition is. What we That

1594
02:52:17,612 --> 02:52:23,351
level of data collection. It's something that we're looking for a variety of reasons.

1595
02:52:23,351 --> 02:52:33,351
There are Curiosity's terms of all say the van and and I collect that data is probably

1596
02:52:34,228 --> 02:52:41,235
more accurate and consistent. For freeways than it is for the types of rooms that we

1597
02:52:41,235 --> 02:52:50,835
make OK, like things are normal for a county road like whether it's manhole cover or

1598
02:52:51,450 --> 02:52:56,651
some local part of the system. That's part of road. And that doesn't deal with very well.

1599
02:52:56,651 --> 02:53:03,925
And so it starts to look like every road needs a lot of work but were able to. Sift through

1600
02:53:03,925 --> 02:53:09,325
make determinations on Thank you for that detailed information

1601
02:53:13,802 --> 02:53:18,740
>> I'm going to skip not to the 3rd sign on the current level. I know that this is the

1602
02:53:18,740 --> 02:53:25,613
average across all Ramsey County Lakes. Are we seeing higher nmbers in certain

1603
02:53:25,613 --> 02:53:31,353
areas? And sir and why and are we targeted approach for those areas?

1604
02:53:31,353 --> 02:53:35,957
>> Madam Chair commissioner, that's a great question. I don't have the to but I would

1605
02:53:35,957 --> 02:53:42,960
be happy to dig into that for you, OK? Not Yeah. And then. I know like this talks about our

1606
02:53:42,960 --> 02:53:48,702
usage. But how do we partner with our cities to know their usage as well? I have a few

1607
02:53:48,702 --> 02:53:52,173
constituents that we judge me about this topic often. So >> A familiar with some of

1608
02:53:52,173 --> 02:53:59,373
this information and then with our benchmark, are Ashley Kaiser water, quality

1609
02:53:59,714 --> 02:54:06,855
benchmark we're trying to get to versus the usage of the chloride.

1610
02:54:06,855 --> 02:54:15,255
>> And better for sure. It's a great think that. We're tracking towards a Ramsey

1611
02:54:16,330 --> 02:54:18,600
County specific goal. At moment. There's like a national standard of the

1612
02:54:18,600 --> 02:54:25,800
benchmark that for. When it comes to your question of do we?

1613
02:54:27,625 --> 02:54:34,833
>> Do we have an understanding of or Partner City Are employing I will say it's

1614
02:54:34,833 --> 02:54:43,441
really broad range. Yeah, I know that. Some Ramsey County cities and townships will have

1615
02:54:43,441 --> 02:54:51,783
very specific thoughts of all the level of salt use around specific water bodies. Others

1616
02:54:51,783 --> 02:54:57,388
are less circumspect about that issue. And I don't know that that's really well

1617
02:54:57,388 --> 02:55:03,528
understood outside of a very small number of people in terms of what cities and

1618
02:55:03,528 --> 02:55:07,132
ordinances that are specific to salt used the our folks are aware of. There are places

1619
02:55:07,132 --> 02:55:16,132
that. Expecting that will be very Todd full of purse or application. Of course, right

1620
02:55:17,740 --> 02:55:23,881
around some of the And then when we do. >> Like rolling updates are,

1621
02:55:23,881 --> 02:55:27,751
you know, I'm sure we take into consideration like the water runoff and where, you

1622
02:55:27,751 --> 02:55:31,889
know, the wastewater. >> You know, enters the system at and how can we prevent

1623
02:55:31,889 --> 02:55:38,696
that? You know that spread as well. So, you know, maybe adding a curve and use the

1624
02:55:38,696 --> 02:55:43,701
sewer, you know, making sure it gets into where it's supposed to go.

1625
02:55:43,701 --> 02:55:47,705
>> That's I really appreciate you raising that point. That's another emphasis area for

1626
02:55:47,705 --> 02:55:53,510
actually leading into storm drainage and modernizing its system. And that's a big part

1627
02:55:53,510 --> 02:56:01,251
of it. I know it's fun, though. A big conversation with some of our cities. I

1628
02:56:01,251 --> 02:56:05,790
think you can see places around the county where we've done some more creative things

1629
02:56:05,790 --> 02:56:08,725
when it comes to treating the water before it hits from water bodies. And I think

1630
02:56:08,725 --> 02:56:15,599
we'll continue to do >> plays an important role in our capital investments for

1631
02:56:15,599 --> 02:56:18,336
sure. >> OK, perfect. Thank you for that. And I just want to also

1632
02:56:18,336 --> 02:56:26,277
say driving on Wade Avenue is so nice thank you very much getting that person to the

1633
02:56:26,277 --> 02:56:31,549
music of the same. And yeah, that's exactly why U.S. so that I have further course,

1634
02:56:31,549 --> 02:56:39,349
is. Commissioner White. really appreciate line of questioning Commissioner Miller it goes to

1635
02:56:41,492 --> 02:56:49,167
some my questions as well. >> Yes, I love it. after the county has done a road and us

1636
02:56:49,167 --> 02:56:56,307
I love being on that road one of my constituents had a had a monitor measure. He would

1637
02:56:56,307 --> 02:57:05,249
write to me and say my teeth are rattling you know that So now it's raft measures. So

1638
02:57:05,249 --> 02:57:13,324
when I'm driving on a and I really appreciate the work that you're doing because as

1639
02:57:13,324 --> 02:57:17,600
much as you know, we get a little frustrated detours worst. I'm so excited that

1640
02:57:17,600 --> 02:57:23,000
county, there's a detour and I'm I'm on a county road and we're getting some work done.

1641
02:57:23,000 --> 02:57:30,207
So thank you. Thank you for that. I'm happy to do the have that extra time to hlp our

1642
02:57:30,207 --> 02:57:37,281
roads be safer for residents. So thank you for that. And just thank you for all of your

1643
02:57:37,281 --> 02:57:42,190
responsiveness to my constituents. You know, I had have constituents and live in

1644
02:57:42,190 --> 02:57:45,957
senior kind of that. That's next to role that we're redoing and they're very

1645
02:57:45,957 --> 02:57:51,950
nervous that the role that we re doing is uder construction now, but that there may not be

1646
02:57:51,950 --> 02:57:56,434
a bike pedestrian walkway, you know, that's there until they're going to the community

1647
02:57:56,434 --> 02:58:01,380
engagement. They're talking about this and and I just appreciate that. You're being

1648
02:58:01,380 --> 02:58:07,512
responsive. We may or may not be able to do a nice, big pedestrian by what pay a on

1649
02:58:07,512 --> 02:58:13,117
road that we have. But we're going to do our best. And I appreciate your willingness to

1650
02:58:13,117 --> 02:58:19,724
really listen to community and try to work with them on what we can do. And I just want to

1651
02:58:19,724 --> 02:58:23,794
say that we've been talking about health and we just had parks and rec that it that

1652
02:58:23,794 --> 02:58:28,332
this that community wants to be out and about. They want to be walking. They want to be

1653
02:58:28,332 --> 02:58:36,407
biking. They want to using our parks, using amenities and so Thank you for, you know,

1654
02:58:36,407 --> 02:58:40,878
helping that be a priority when we do our community engagement on our roads that

1655
02:58:40,878 --> 02:58:46,350
we're looking at the trails and at some point like in the future, love to see us have a

1656
02:58:46,350 --> 02:58:51,220
connectivity measure like how are we? How are we connecting our communities to the

1657
02:58:51,220 --> 02:58:59,230
amenities that we have with pedestrian and bike ways we have a flight plan. We have a

1658
02:58:59,230 --> 02:59:05,837
bike PED plan that do with our community so that we are connecting our trails it's

1659
02:59:05,837 --> 02:59:09,973
inside culture, active living, you know where where, you know, we get this information.

1660
02:59:09,973 --> 02:59:15,780
But this is something that our residents really do care about. And so love to see how

1661
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we're doing on that. And I know you care about it and you're and public works.

1662
02:59:18,248 --> 02:59:27,248
Cares. And just that I'm I'm grateful that you're paying attention to that. But I'd

1663
02:59:27,792 --> 02:59:35,199
love to see a measure about how doing a pedestrian and bike plans as we want mobility

1664
02:59:35,199 --> 02:59:43,808
for all and our communities and then chloride retraction. This was an issue that I was

1665
02:59:43,808 --> 02:59:49,800
not that I'm aware of before started going to recommend to county local governments. We

1666
02:59:49,800 --> 02:59:52,816
have a collective action working that's been meeting all year on call right

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02:59:52,816 --> 02:59:57,488
reduction. And I'm gonna give our options a big shout out because they've joined the

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02:59:57,488 --> 03:00:00,891
Ramsey County League. And I think together we don't know what issue is it something

1669
03:00:00,891 --> 03:00:04,361
that we can actually do something about? What issue can we all learn more about

1670
03:00:04,361 --> 03:00:09,166
into the water should have been instrumental all that the city's art care about this.

1671
03:00:09,166 --> 03:00:15,573
The county has been involved in these work. I'm on that because claw, the collective

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03:00:15,573 --> 03:00:19,644
action working anybody is invited to hear them. And we we we're on a zoom meeting

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03:00:19,644 --> 03:00:25,650
every second Thursday of the month. And we learn all of all what's important to play right

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03:00:25,650 --> 03:00:31,189
direction, which big because it's going right into our water. All the salt that we're

1675
03:00:31,189 --> 03:00:36,300
putting on and so working with businesses big parking lot, working with cities. The

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03:00:36,300 --> 03:00:40,274
county to really reduce that level of salt in the water was an issue I was not aware of

1677
03:00:40,274 --> 03:00:45,813
and I'm learning a lot more of and so is the Ramsey County Lake Tahoe CA Gov or months.

1678
03:00:45,813 --> 03:00:51,886
And as I said, Manatee County has been a part of that. And I appreciate that. yeah, we just

1679
03:00:51,886 --> 03:00:55,756
need to keep working on the things we can do to really improve our water quality. But

1680
03:00:55,756 --> 03:01:02,356
it's just one of those overarching see interconnectedness of of the

1681
03:01:02,764 --> 03:01:06,366
county that we have public works with and public health working with. you know, it's

1682
03:01:06,366 --> 03:01:14,766
just everything connected. I appreciate that. You're taking this on. Also to be a

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03:01:14,975 --> 03:01:17,711
measurement because people that know about this they're like, oh, my God, yes, we have

1684
03:01:17,711 --> 03:01:25,520
to worry about that. So with that, I just I just thank you so much for for work that

1685
03:01:25,520 --> 03:01:30,124
you're doing and we do get a majority of our calls about a robot. So thank you. You know,

1686
03:01:30,124 --> 03:01:36,931
it's what constituents, residents CN care about and we appreciate your dedication to

1687
03:01:36,931 --> 03:01:41,269
the county wide approach to that. I do have one other quick question. You just

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03:01:41,269 --> 03:01:46,474
expand on the second highest crash rate. You said it's so It's not just that we have

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03:01:46,474 --> 03:01:52,679
more roads than the second. Probably the second highest number of roads in It's hard

1690
03:01:52,679 --> 03:01:59,879
to say could be a bigger counties. So sure commissioner is proportional.

1691
03:02:02,290 --> 03:02:07,280
>> It It's a function o exposure. And as we rank were second highest.

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03:02:07,280 --> 03:02:17,280
>> County and the state still. so it just because of just is headed in the first is that

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03:02:17,505 --> 03:02:23,310
the second just because times that you can so that There's a number of factors to think of

1694
03:02:23,310 --> 03:02:28,449
Yeah, and some of it is of call it we have a system that's evolved over a longer

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03:02:28,449 --> 03:02:35,790
period of time and soul. Maybe a little bit more complex movements of access different.

1696
03:02:35,790 --> 03:02:38,593
There are other places where there are roads are much more highly managed in terms of

1697
03:02:38,593 --> 03:02:47,593
access, which is key criteria for crashes. some of it is about. The designer, the

1698
03:02:47,602 --> 03:02:53,741
setting. it just evolved. Istanbul. And I really appreciate that. I will say

1699
03:02:53,741 --> 03:02:58,780
that probably off field felt this is why when you get a new development or redevelopment

1700
03:02:58,780 --> 03:03:01,949
in your area and then the entities want to put put at the entry level the driveway.

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03:03:01,949 --> 03:03:07,880
>> In and out of the county vote and we say ever, engineers say no, you can't

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03:03:07,880 --> 03:03:11,626
because it's not safe. >> because they said no, but then you can't get into our

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03:03:11,626 --> 03:03:15,429
business. We well, you have to go this way and that. So we haven't a number of

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03:03:15,429 --> 03:03:20,902
developments in my area. I'm sure we all do where, you know, we've had to say, you

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03:03:20,902 --> 03:03:24,104
know, here's how have to redevelop this because as you said, we're an older county.

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03:03:24,104 --> 03:03:29,510
We have a lot of access points to our votes that are not the right distance first for as

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03:03:29,510 --> 03:03:35,480
much safety. S I thank you for that. And I've been experiencing it. I'm always

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03:03:35,480 --> 03:03:41,122
talking to my cities and the new businesses that want to get in there to explain to

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03:03:41,122 --> 03:03:43,457
them. We're trying to balance safety versus access your business. thank you for

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03:03:43,457 --> 03:03:49,596
bringing that up. Thank you for thank you commission requiring consent to your

1711
03:03:49,596 --> 03:03:54,996
constituents. We have way Missouri. >> Within that we moved

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03:03:56,804 --> 03:04:01,400
Carolina Isabella measure. Okay. Commissioner Jeff Missing.

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03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:09,150
>> And thank you, Madam Chair. So given that that this is an issue that we hear from

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03:04:09,150 --> 03:04:13,200
residents all the time, could you just very concisely remind folks that constituents want

1715
03:04:13,200 --> 03:04:18,425
to know how their neighborhood roads have been raided and when they may be next schedule

1716
03:04:18,425 --> 03:04:22,630
for placement or pavement, where should they go and how do they track projects that

1717
03:04:22,630 --> 03:04:25,499
are ongoing in their in their neighborhoods? >> Fed chair commissioner,

1718
03:04:25,499 --> 03:04:32,840
thank you for that So they go to the public works website for current and planned

1719
03:04:32,840 --> 03:04:37,845
projects which will take us all 5 So te credit. >> We will be coming back to

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03:04:37,845 --> 03:04:43,851
in November with a tip. Ad of that will be. So it's annual cycle. So to be able to see

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03:04:43,851 --> 03:04:50,591
that. If they had specific questions about a specific segment road, they could

1722
03:04:50,591 --> 03:04:57,465
certainly and they could pose the question to ask Pw. It is link at the public works

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03:04:57,465 --> 03:05:00,668
website and we can get that information to folks. Generally not going to be

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03:05:00,668 --> 03:05:06,206
something that we're going to post all the segments and all the conditions. So it would be

1725
03:05:06,206 --> 03:05:12,547
on a as needed basis. And I'm going to say. As interested as you all are in this movement

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03:05:12,547 --> 03:05:16,951
of if you're an club, when the terms in terms of the number of people who ask questions

1727
03:05:16,951 --> 03:05:22,557
about the condition of their pavement, >> thank you. And then if

1728
03:05:22,557 --> 03:05:27,940
there is a project ongoing, is there a way for them to get updates if it is a So think

1729
03:05:27,940 --> 03:05:33,694
that Mr. >> So there's very easy typically on our public works

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03:05:35,350 --> 03:05:39,390
website or if the project is on the public subside, there are ways sign up for emails

1731
03:05:39,390 --> 03:05:43,844
and I think I find them to be hopeful even for me and I work in the building, te folks who

1732
03:05:43,844 --> 03:05:50,518
are doing these projects. And so there they're I find the some reason the emails to be

1733
03:05:50,518 --> 03:05:55,523
concise and hopeful in terms of. Practical advice about what's happening with the road

1734
03:05:55,523 --> 03:06:00,527
and what they need to know. And there's always opportunity to ask more questions. like we

1735
03:06:00,527 --> 03:06:04,798
said, we're always here for more details. Should you desire? And that's true for

1736
03:06:04,798 --> 03:06:10,198
all of which is General. Thank. Thank you, Commissioner.

1737
03:06:11,272 --> 03:06:17,812
>> came question, Mr. thank you. Madam Chair. >> I just have a question rate

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03:06:17,812 --> 03:06:24,752
of crashes that when you vote system too, is that data that's available on our

1739
03:06:24,752 --> 03:06:30,752
website to the public access, this information. >> Madam Chair commissioners,

1740
03:06:32,250 --> 03:06:39,499
and that's great question. I know we don't publish of. We tend to work with men died

1741
03:06:39,499 --> 03:06:44,772
that is kind of gate keeper of all of the crash data statewide. Because it comes

1742
03:06:44,772 --> 03:06:54,772
public safety and threw dog. I don't know if all of that date is. Publicly available. It's

1743
03:06:56,533 --> 03:07:01,710
it's a great question. back to you about whether it is know that our folks, our folks

1744
03:07:01,710 --> 03:07:07,671
access OK? >> And then for county road pavement condition. Do you

1745
03:07:10,280 --> 03:07:18,622
have list order of priority for this in the work plan that you have addressing it?

1746
03:07:18,622 --> 03:07:23,627
>> Madam Chair commissioners, it's another excellent question. So I think. A way to

1747
03:07:23,627 --> 03:07:30,300
think about it is. So we have projects that were planning on and then we we have

1748
03:07:30,300 --> 03:07:39,310
system-wide data. I think you could expect that at any given time. There's probably a dozen

1749
03:07:39,310 --> 03:07:44,480
2 dozen, 3 dozen places where we could go would have a similar pavement condition.

1750
03:07:44,480 --> 03:07:49,386
And so then it's about what are the other criteria that we explore in terms of why we

1751
03:07:49,386 --> 03:07:55,326
choose that versus another one. So then we get ito the types of things tat we talked

1752
03:07:55,326 --> 03:08:00,640
about in our transportation plan about what are some of the other aspects or why we

1753
03:08:00,640 --> 03:08:03,334
would some of evolve where it is somewhat of all. What are the other assets that need

1754
03:08:03,334 --> 03:08:12,209
work in that area? Is there a crash from is there a sidewalk or some other multi-modal

1755
03:08:12,209 --> 03:08:19,616
facility gap that should happen at the same time. And so that's part For lack of

1756
03:08:19,616 --> 03:08:26,957
better term like the sausage-making of how we get to. Those areas. will say that

1757
03:08:26,957 --> 03:08:30,293
again, that's probably not something that we publish in terms of every every payment

1758
03:08:30,293 --> 03:08:36,566
segment and its condition because of those change. But it is part of the process of

1759
03:08:36,566 --> 03:08:41,439
looking at a variety of sources. So priority would look like a variety of

1760
03:08:41,439 --> 03:08:51,390
factors. terms of how we would decide where to next. >> Yeah, I just tried tie also

1761
03:08:53,450 --> 03:08:59,123
just a performance measure here not only the building stronger together. Once I get

1762
03:08:59,123 --> 03:09:06,323
identified that. Transportation chance of plan as That's I don't know if

1763
03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:16,273
we'll get like yearly. Your annual update on But I just wanted to make sure that, you

1764
03:09:16,273 --> 03:09:18,476
know, the public can tie it. you know, these performance measures with that plan as

1765
03:09:18,476 --> 03:09:25,676
well to that. It's a living and breathing document. >> metal chair commissioner,

1766
03:09:26,417 --> 03:09:29,820
we've had a number of conversations about how best to report back to you on the

1767
03:09:29,820 --> 03:09:33,290
progress of things we even talked about as a potential measure here as a measure.

1768
03:09:33,290 --> 03:09:40,965
It's a little weird, but I think did I hear the concern as can can and we keep you up

1769
03:09:40,965 --> 03:09:44,168
to speed in terms of where we're at with some of these projects. And the answer is,

1770
03:09:44,168 --> 03:09:49,373
of course, absolutely would be happy to do that. I think it's just a function of whether a

1771
03:09:49,373 --> 03:09:55,246
workshop or some other kind of report where where providing you milestone information

1772
03:09:55,246 --> 03:10:01,252
similar to any other project that we have our tip line. We can. We can provide you

1773
03:10:01,252 --> 03:10:06,990
information about how the project is progressing in. If are issues that are popping

1774
03:10:06,990 --> 03:10:12,662
>> And then the last point is just like, I don't know if this would be measure that you

1775
03:10:12,662 --> 03:10:17,467
would consider, but just around community engagement around the projects that

1776
03:10:17,467 --> 03:10:24,740
really day making sure that we are community members that are reflective of the community

1777
03:10:24,740 --> 03:10:32,149
there as well as you the different types users on our facilities. I know that of at

1778
03:10:32,149 --> 03:10:38,555
least for the White Bear Avenue corridor you know, that I'm seeing good results that

1779
03:10:38,555 --> 03:10:47,555
engagement, but I think those are equally. It's equally important to keep track of as

1780
03:10:48,899 --> 03:10:52,503
to the plant, but also to secure an additional funds that's outside of the county

1781
03:10:52,503 --> 03:11:00,977
of Levy and county sources because and now that the Met Council has the community

1782
03:11:00,977 --> 03:11:05,182
considerations. You know that that that that trying to achieve is that are we

1783
03:11:05,182 --> 03:11:09,319
engaging the communities that we are serving? And so it's just equally important that we

1784
03:11:09,319 --> 03:11:13,790
are keeping track of that for all of our projects that we're working on.

1785
03:11:13,790 --> 03:11:18,929
>> Madam Chair commissioners I really appreciate you raising that point. A couple of

1786
03:11:18,929 --> 03:11:22,199
thoughts. relative to my councilman community considerations. know that

1787
03:11:22,199 --> 03:11:31,199
that's a topic right now. Home tell. I will say. In conversations that we have

1788
03:11:31,475 --> 03:11:34,945
with my counsel relative to our work and they're familiar with our planning efforts and

1789
03:11:34,945 --> 03:11:39,283
our levels of engagement. They've told us. >> That we do a very good job

1790
03:11:39,283 --> 03:11:42,820
of that. And so we would be consistent with whatever ends up being the scoring relative

1791
03:11:42,820 --> 03:11:49,694
to engagement. No, they specifically spoke of or transportation plan and the

1792
03:11:49,694 --> 03:11:57,835
degree to which that lead on some pretty last engagement. So that's noteworthy. As a

1793
03:11:57,835 --> 03:12:03,907
measure really struggled with. And I think Director McCAbe did a really good job of

1794
03:12:03,907 --> 03:12:10,981
speaking to some of the challenges of over in Josh's will a vote. The combination

1795
03:12:10,981 --> 03:12:18,550
of the role of government in certain communities makes pretty challenging. That being

1796
03:12:18,550 --> 03:12:24,655
said. >> we're we're exploring and a lot of different avenues and

1797
03:12:25,529 --> 03:12:30,334
whether it's a >> You know, work with Mary Margaret on trying to expand

1798
03:12:30,334 --> 03:12:38,734
my personal network. So that more engaged with a lot of different communities. To

1799
03:12:39,810 --> 03:12:43,147
working with people who consults on engagement for public works projects and

1800
03:12:43,147 --> 03:12:49,219
working with them to say how do we get better as an industry? How do we get better

1801
03:12:49,219 --> 03:12:54,758
results? How do we really touch more more people that really are struggling to

1802
03:12:54,758 --> 03:13:01,765
engage with our projects. But all of that is in the context of our folks. That is an

1803
03:13:01,765 --> 03:13:04,635
expectation that they are meeting regularly. And if if there's ever something for

1804
03:13:04,635 --> 03:13:09,840
you. Hearing that that's not the case. I I definitely want to know. But like I think our

1805
03:13:09,840 --> 03:13:16,450
folks are well versed in. They age men for a lot of different projects. I think that they're

1806
03:13:16,450 --> 03:13:21,785
accustomed to that and they Explore a lot of different things. Some of our projects

1807
03:13:21,785 --> 03:13:27,202
go farther because of the type of project they are where they are. And Ray Street, I think,

1808
03:13:27,202 --> 03:13:33,475
is an excellent example of the types of things where we can. Do better. And as a part of

1809
03:13:33,475 --> 03:13:39,481
that, when we engage with things like floor punter or why there and grateful that

1810
03:13:39,481 --> 03:13:45,487
you're seeing bearing because as we talked to the consulting community about that project,

1811
03:13:45,487 --> 03:13:50,959
we said this was our experience on race street. These are the types of things

1812
03:13:50,959 --> 03:13:55,430
that we got out of and the level to which the community understood what we were doing

1813
03:13:55,430 --> 03:14:00,350
and were engaged in that decision making. We want to see that replicated here. And

1814
03:14:00,350 --> 03:14:03,438
so if you come to us with a plan that doesn't do that. You're not going to get our

1815
03:14:03,438 --> 03:14:12,448
business. And so. It's i's kind menu of different options to try to get out the various

1816
03:14:12,448 --> 03:14:20,188
things. But having tried a number of places where you do. demographic information to try

1817
03:14:20,188 --> 03:14:25,660
to prove the people who you've been speaking to. That's even weirder than it was 10 years

1818
03:14:25,660 --> 03:14:33,202
ago when I was trying to do that from ended like it's just gotten uniquely challenging.

1819
03:14:33,202 --> 03:14:39,141
From a variety of perspectives that get to Okay. Yeah. Thank you. And the

1820
03:14:39,141 --> 03:14:44,480
>> Madam Chair, just the last point and also for consideration for a metric and

1821
03:14:44,480 --> 03:14:52,955
the next 2 years for next couple of mental I know that we moved some of the

1822
03:14:52,955 --> 03:14:57,760
contracting and who wear contracting whether that be like a small women minority

1823
03:14:57,760 --> 03:15:04,433
owned businesses for construction is that we we should be able to track that

1824
03:15:04,433 --> 03:15:11,106
as well for our public works department that I would like to see us because it connects

1825
03:15:11,106 --> 03:15:16,440
and you know, our strategies around building intergenerational wealth. And

1826
03:15:16,440 --> 03:15:21,516
it's something that's across departments as well. >> Madam Chair Commissioners

1827
03:15:21,516 --> 03:15:26,588
and excellent point. It has been measure that we've had in the past. I think we continue

1828
03:15:26,588 --> 03:15:31,126
to track it. We just haven't reported it here. And as a sudden before relative to

1829
03:15:31,126 --> 03:15:39,526
that. our record sorry record as well body. >> When we have a prime, that

1830
03:15:40,536 --> 03:15:48,936
is a a >> served maybe the WB. Then they tend to bring others that

1831
03:15:50,211 --> 03:15:52,881
are in that same category. And so. >> The numbers go through the

1832
03:15:52,881 --> 03:15:59,954
roof with those projects. If it's not the case with the prime contractor than our

1833
03:15:59,954 --> 03:16:06,628
record is not as good or pledge my point we made up a slight policy change will

1834
03:16:06,628 --> 03:16:09,565
about best value ride and we were starting public works. So that's why

1835
03:16:09,565 --> 03:16:13,569
>> I wanted us to start measuring that. >> For sure. And I think we'll

1836
03:16:13,569 --> 03:16:20,109
continue to explore better ways to employ that based on board direction best value

1837
03:16:20,109 --> 03:16:26,248
will be better way to get there for Thank Thank you. >> commissioner, Thank you,

1838
03:16:26,248 --> 03:16:33,588
Madam Chair. And I don't mean to say of New York 12 11, I was hoping that we came in at

1839
03:16:33,588 --> 03:16:37,192
12, 15, 15 going, I'm just going to this out Thank you, Madam Chair. And it's going to

1840
03:16:37,192 --> 03:16:40,595
put this out there because if we're all trying to resist the temptation to talk about all

1841
03:16:40,595 --> 03:16:45,400
things from we laid it in for me, its all things like active living parks and trails. But

1842
03:16:45,400 --> 03:16:49,671
I'm just gonna put it out there because this will probably come before us and

1843
03:16:49,671 --> 03:16:58,710
the pet package. I hope this this new phenomenon that's affecting our trails? Walkers

1844
03:16:58,280 --> 03:17:04,953
and bikers is the motor bikes. It really fast like that young kids are using and they're and

1845
03:17:04,953 --> 03:17:07,222
impacting people's a willingness to go on a trail south. We're going to have

1846
03:17:07,222 --> 03:17:15,764
these. Walking trails. These are faster bikes that young kids use, I mean, other than

1847
03:17:15,764 --> 03:17:22,370
bites more seniors people use so well, you're anyway, we're going to have a conversation

1848
03:17:22,370 --> 03:17:26,508
about it and they don't know when we will have that. But I'm hoping we can have some

1849
03:17:26,508 --> 03:17:30,312
legislation that's going to regulate that a little But I have talked to director. I I

1850
03:17:30,312 --> 03:17:35,250
know tough, what we can do about But it's just an issue that keeps coming to me now.

1851
03:17:35,250 --> 03:17:39,855
I'm sure commissioner anything. I think it's an emerging and I think we're

1852
03:17:39,855 --> 03:17:42,991
relatively early. we've had some conversations internal. I think we'll probably want to

1853
03:17:42,991 --> 03:17:48,196
have conversations as an industry. >> I think that's the crew

1854
03:17:48,196 --> 03:17:56,337
mission. That would be my guess, probably have a lot bases for that. think is

1855
03:17:56,337 --> 03:18:02,210
mostly about it. issue that I will say people that other trails feeling it as well. You

1856
03:18:02,210 --> 03:18:06,481
know, any interest on the right, those to to talk the media they know and to be a

1857
03:18:06,481 --> 03:18:12,481
fun >> The emerging issue, though, is the People are saying.

1858
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>> But it can become very complicated, to, because 90 patrol you are controlling

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bites in moving vehicles and what will be the penalty if you do that. So it gets over

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into that for some Yeah, I don't like I can and I don't take away life. But but we

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knew NSC, some regulation or whatever. We may think legislators will be dealing

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with. It will probably doing with it. >> Just wnted to present it

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as an issue that I think we're going to have to work on because we want people to have

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to be for Okay. All right. Okay. Are you have you completed everything and you

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need to close. I could just take the next half hour to talk

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>> Really, really, you can take that. We good faith. Appreciate the time. Folks is

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a great conversation thank you and thank you for yur work. And again, you that vision

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and. >> the leadership showing here and then for thinking really

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appreciate and having safe rows and rows are not bumpy. You know, don't we can get

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there is that we have to do some construction. All right. And so we appreciate the work

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information. So thank you. All We are going to break. swear 15 and will come back at one

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? ? All right. Want to welcome

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everybody. Back to Ramsey County Budget presentation. To the county board. We're going

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open up with our county assessor. >> Pat Chapman, so directly

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Jetman, you want to introduce yourself in. started. >> Good afternoon. Madam

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Chair, thank you. Commissioners County manager backer first. I'd like to

1908
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think a few members of my office that have put a lot of time into these performance

1909
03:28:09,968 --> 03:28:14,839
measures and the budgeting as a whole. My deputy Corey Erickson has been instrumental

1910
03:28:14,839 --> 03:28:20,378
in helping me through this process along with Aaron Theon and our office was developed a

1911
03:28:20,378 --> 03:28:25,450
lot of work with the performance measures. he sends unmet, Selmer, provided a lot

1912
03:28:25,450 --> 03:28:30,522
of other work in our office aid in this presentation. So I'd like to thank them very

1913
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much too. I'm not going to be much pavement but I know Brian is probably a little sad about

1914
03:28:40,640 --> 03:28:47,500
that. But the rest of the county assessor's office consists of 54 employees

1915
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across 3 divisions, residential commercial assessment service U.S.. We're

1916
03:28:52,877 --> 03:28:58,877
a county responsible service. And responsibilities are established through chapter

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03:28:59,818 --> 03:29:05,818
2.73. Of the Minnesota statutes. Also statute 3.83 a 0, 0, 5, and we have 141

1918
03:29:09,894 --> 03:29:14,699
statutory responsibilities. Our work is evaluated annually through the Department of

1919
03:29:14,699 --> 03:29:19,571
Revenue. And we consistently meet or exceed the high professional standards

1920
03:29:19,571 --> 03:29:26,911
required of our office. We maintain complete records of all property in the county our

1921
03:29:26,911 --> 03:29:32,384
office. Researchers analyzed all sales that take place in the county. also annually

1922
03:29:32,384 --> 03:29:36,654
calibrate mass appraisal models to ensure fair and defensible property about

1923
03:29:36,654 --> 03:29:42,660
this. Many times. The assessor's office is the only contact a resident will have

1924
03:29:42,660 --> 03:29:51,600
with the county. And we pride ourselves on being a positive interaction with residents.

1925
03:29:51,815 --> 03:29:56,285
more information on that that I that I'm about to speak about today. You can find it

1926
03:29:56,285 --> 03:30:05,885
in our assessors report on the Open data portal on the county website. The department tracks

1927
03:30:05,962 --> 03:30:12,769
3 key performance measures. To longer-term one and one shorter-term. Want try to

1928
03:30:12,769 --> 03:30:20,377
capture all of our work. The first one is a suspect, quality and equity. The next

1929
03:30:20,377 --> 03:30:25,649
percentage of properties campus for restrictive racial covenant discharge. And the

1930
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3rd is percentage of staff with advanced professional certifications. I'd like to

1931
03:30:30,120 --> 03:30:37,320
highlight 3 men, a measures. Under operational excellence. The first one. A suspect,

1932
03:30:41,598 --> 03:30:46,203
quality and equity, which i the core mission of the assessor's office. The

1933
03:30:46,203 --> 03:30:51,608
department measures the a suspect quality using 24 nationally and internationally

1934
03:30:51,608 --> 03:30:54,411
recognized standards established by the International Association of

1935
03:30:54,411 --> 03:31:01,110
Assessing Officers. And monitored by the Minnesota Department of Revenue. These

1936
03:31:01,751 --> 03:31:06,489
measures evaluate the accuracy and equity of assessments across residential apartment,

1937
03:31:06,489 --> 03:31:11,227
commercial and industrial property throughout Ramsey County. Fair and accurate

1938
03:31:11,227 --> 03:31:15,765
assessments are essential to maintaining public confidence ensuring an equitable

1939
03:31:15,765 --> 03:31:21,238
distribution of the property tax burden. And providing stable tax base for local

1940
03:31:21,238 --> 03:31:27,238
governments. In 2026. Department of compliance with all residential and commercial

1941
03:31:30,580 --> 03:31:34,780
assessment standards. Well, accurately valuing approximately 165,000 parcels.

1942
03:31:38,455 --> 03:31:42,459
These results reflect our continued investment in staff training evaluation, modeling

1943
03:31:42,459 --> 03:31:46,396
quality assurance and data driven assessment practices. Our goal is to maintain this

1944
03:31:46,396 --> 03:31:51,734
level excellence. Well, continuing. To respond to respond to challenging market

1945
03:31:51,734 --> 03:31:57,734
conditions. Our next. Our measure is restrictive racial covenant canvassing

1946
03:32:06,150 --> 03:32:14,958
discharging covenants. This is a shorter term. goal for the office and it's kind of a

1947
03:32:14,958 --> 03:32:19,896
finite period of time, which is is nice measure every once a while to get get something

1948
03:32:19,896 --> 03:32:26,770
that, you know, tracks your your daily work to something that impacts guys gals in the

1949
03:32:26,770 --> 03:32:30,640
office directly. And that short term, nice to see that little window.

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>> This initiative measures the number of properties campus each year to educate

1951
03:32:35,450 --> 03:32:40,116
homers, homeowners. >> About restrictive racial covenants and assist them in

1952
03:32:40,116 --> 03:32:46,716
discharging these illegal and unenforceable provisions on their property. In 2025. our

1953
03:32:47,570 --> 03:32:54,257
office completed its first county wide canvassing effort. We visit the 1319 properties.

1954
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Those conversations help increase covenant discharges from 3, 8380 in 2024. to 685

1955
03:33:00,336 --> 03:33:08,136
in 20 25 the largest annual increase today. More than 5500 homes in Ramsey County contain

1956
03:33:11,615 --> 03:33:15,815
these historically discrimination discriminatory covenants. Although removing

1957
03:33:16,486 --> 03:33:19,622
although dscharging them is not a statutory responsibility of assessor's office, it's

1958
03:33:19,622 --> 03:33:27,230
meaningful work. That Advances County's commitment to equity and public service. The summer

1959
03:33:27,230 --> 03:33:33,503
we expanded that effort through a partnership with Saint Catherine's University.

1960
03:33:33,503 --> 03:33:37,640
Students joined our appraisal staff during the canvassing on July 14th and 15th. Allowing

1961
03:33:37,640 --> 03:33:43,640
us to reach. Students. providing assessors with valuable community engagement.

1962
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Experience. We also continue work closely with the Ramsey County recorders Office. The

1963
03:33:53,560 --> 03:33:55,859
Examiner of titles and other community partners as we move toward completing this

1964
03:33:55,859 --> 03:34:03,590
initiative by 2030. Partnerships, cntinue to be one of our strengths and the

1965
03:34:03,199 --> 03:34:07,470
assessor's office. In addition to our cooperation with the recorders office examiner of

1966
03:34:07,470 --> 03:34:13,943
titles in Saint Catharines University. We are working closely with the community and

1967
03:34:13,943 --> 03:34:18,748
development team and the building stronger together initiative. The assessor's

1968
03:34:18,748 --> 03:34:22,685
office is helping identify opportunities to return ad are utilize county owned

1969
03:34:22,685 --> 03:34:27,157
exempt properties to productive use, supporting housing, economic development

1970
03:34:27,157 --> 03:34:35,557
neighborhood revitalization. All right. So our next measure here is a percentage of staff

1971
03:34:38,769 --> 03:34:44,374
pursuing and achieving higher level licensing and designations. This measure is

1972
03:34:44,374 --> 03:34:50,647
at 51% and we're trying to get towards 60%. This measure is tracking the professional

1973
03:34:50,647 --> 03:34:55,585
development in the office above and beyond the rigorous states set standards already

1974
03:34:55,585 --> 03:35:01,858
in place for assessors. create a highly educated and knowledgeable staff. It's also

1975
03:35:01,858 --> 03:35:07,130
should increase the public trust that their values and classifications are accurate.

1976
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Fair, essential to the county's goal of operational excellence.

1977
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So let's talk about some of the strategic outlook. Looking ahead. I want

1978
03:35:35,291 --> 03:35:39,562
to highlight emerging opportunities and challenges facing the assessment offices

1979
03:35:39,562 --> 03:35:45,368
across Minnesota. Not only Ramsey County. With the assessor's office to grow

1980
03:35:45,368 --> 03:35:49,172
their knowledge, defend assessments, keep momentum in this space and get a higher

1981
03:35:49,172 --> 03:35:54,310
level of licensing for assessors. The education portion of our budget is

1982
03:35:54,310 --> 03:35:59,248
essential and required by statute. This helps us maintain high level of

1983
03:35:59,248 --> 03:36:05,721
assessment, integrity and knowledge. The county has made. investment to update

1984
03:36:05,721 --> 03:36:12,729
property tax videos and the 5 main languages are spoken in county in the county and these

1985
03:36:12,729 --> 03:36:18,608
updated video should be available in the next year. Now, some of the challenges we

1986
03:36:18,608 --> 03:36:23,947
are seeing a rapid growth of artificial intelligence driven property tax appeal and

1987
03:36:23,947 --> 03:36:31,147
service. These companies are increasingly filling filing large volumes of appeals that

1988
03:36:32,622 --> 03:36:37,627
often receive little or no professional review before submission. Many charge

1989
03:36:37,627 --> 03:36:42,965
property owners, contingency fees for a process that's already available for free

1990
03:36:42,965 --> 03:36:50,165
from the from the county and some require lifetime contractual commitments. The

1991
03:36:52,108 --> 03:36:54,911
office is engaging our professional organization, the Minnesota Association of

1992
03:36:54,911 --> 03:37:01,852
Assessing Officers to seek legislation to limit the ability for this to impact the

1993
03:37:01,852 --> 03:37:07,858
assessor's and the residents of Ramsey County. will also keep the board and Ramsey

1994
03:37:07,858 --> 03:37:10,994
County last legislative liaison surprised of opportunities to collaborate

1995
03:37:10,994 --> 03:37:17,800
in the space. Additionally, our office is working hard to interpret historical volatile

1996
03:37:17,800 --> 03:37:25,600
market. To create fair and equitable The assessor's office is working In the

1997
03:37:36,219 --> 03:37:40,356
stewardship area and we want to expand the use of the online homestead application

1998
03:37:40,356 --> 03:37:47,163
and make it as convenient, accessible option for all eligible recipents. The goal

1999
03:37:47,163 --> 03:37:52,235
is to make the process easier by reducing barriers and simplifying how residents can

2000
03:37:52,235 --> 03:37:58,842
apply. It also helps us streamline our work by reducing. The manual process

2001
03:37:58,842 --> 03:38:04,314
and making applications easier to manage ultimately live. We're looking for better

2002
03:38:04,314 --> 03:38:10,186
accuracy, consistency and faster attorney turnaround times since October. When we

2003
03:38:10,186 --> 03:38:14,324
implemented the online application, 50% of the homes that applications have already

2004
03:38:14,324 --> 03:38:21,665
been submitted this way. Making the process more efficient and staff can spend

2005
03:38:21,665 --> 03:38:26,402
more time focused on other important office initiatives. The in office submissions are

2006
03:38:26,402 --> 03:38:34,100
are benefiting from the use of the QR code at our front desk that directs them right to a

2007
03:38:34,100 --> 03:38:40,830
place to leave their documents and cutting down on time there, too. In closing the

2008
03:38:40,830 --> 03:38:44,354
Rams County assessor's office is well positioned to continue delivering accurate, equitable

2009
03:38:44,354 --> 03:38:49,960
and professional assessment service. We have consistently met or exceeded the standards

2010
03:38:49,960 --> 03:38:54,764
established by the Minnesota Department of Revenue. Well, taking on additional

2011
03:38:54,764 --> 03:39:00,504
initiatives that advance the county's equity and economic development costs. This budget

2012
03:39:00,504 --> 03:39:05,909
will support the office and all of them mentioned endeavors. Can you continue to

2013
03:39:05,909 --> 03:39:10,380
provide this level of service? We need stable funding for all authorized positions and

2014
03:39:10,380 --> 03:39:12,983
continued investment in people. Technology that support work. Thank you very

2015
03:39:12,983 --> 03:39:18,983
much. stand for any questions that you spank. Commissioners on.

2016
03:39:19,789 --> 03:39:28,789
>> Thank you. Madam Chair. let's see I just had first test question around the time.

2017
03:39:30,400 --> 03:39:33,537
The first measures, the assessment, quality and equity percent prioritize compliance

2018
03:39:33,537 --> 03:39:39,537
measures I'm curious from 2024 to 2025. a help make that change. 200%.

2019
03:39:45,948 --> 03:39:52,548
>> Madam Chair commissioner. >> A lot of work. >> In in the commercial

2020
03:39:54,900 --> 03:40:02,499
modeling space is what really got us up to 100%. We're having some. This is inside

2021
03:40:02,499 --> 03:40:08,238
baseball. We're having some PR the problems. Price related differential problems inside

2022
03:40:08,238 --> 03:40:14,845
commercial properties. So we dug into the commercial models. Did some more

2023
03:40:14,845 --> 03:40:18,715
segmentation of different and aggregation of different property types. So so made the

2024
03:40:18,715 --> 03:40:23,530
group's smaller to look at. And it made our assessment better.

2025
03:40:23,530 --> 03:40:32,530
>> Okay. Okay. Great. And then for the a restrictive covenant discharge here. And I'm glad

2026
03:40:32,128 --> 03:40:38,201
to see that. That's what you're working towards. >> Of canvassing and meeting

2027
03:40:38,201 --> 03:40:41,604
with all the property owners, they think that's a good measure for us to continue to

2028
03:40:41,604 --> 03:40:49,404
look at that. The other one, a for consideration for performance measure is

2029
03:40:52,281 --> 03:41:00,810
actually property tax refund. The Homestead property tax refund because we always hear

2030
03:41:01,424 --> 03:41:06,696
from rsidents about, you know, our property taxes. But it's also a low-income

2031
03:41:06,696 --> 03:41:12,902
household seniors and even veterans would be eligible for a 2. And maybe this is a cross

2032
03:41:12,902 --> 03:41:20,643
departmental work between veteran services and other areas where we push use and

2033
03:41:20,643 --> 03:41:25,181
utilization of the property tax refunds. >> Madam Chair Commissioners

2034
03:41:25,181 --> 03:41:29,519
are thank you for bringing that up. I like to say it every time give it a

2035
03:41:29,519 --> 03:41:35,191
microphone. The property tax refund. If residents just go to Putin, any search engine m

2036
03:41:35,191 --> 03:41:43,933
and space PTR and hit enter. You will get in Minnesota proper tax refund website give

2037
03:41:43,933 --> 03:41:47,404
you all the information on that. And many people are eligible that don't think

2038
03:41:47,404 --> 03:41:51,741
they're eligible. So put your information and see if that happens. The challenge,

2039
03:41:51,741 --> 03:41:57,413
commissioner, maybe what you're asking us. We're more of the outreach arm instead of

2040
03:41:57,413 --> 03:42:03,620
the research arm at the end, that's a state program. So we get data way behind what it

2041
03:42:03,620 --> 03:42:08,224
is. So think about how we can analyze some of the outreach that we do in that space to

2042
03:42:08,224 --> 03:42:12,829
make sure that we're reporting back to you on what we are doing now. How many years

2043
03:42:12,829 --> 03:42:19,636
behind is >> So when we get that data, we probably hear about 3 or 4

2044
03:42:19,636 --> 03:42:25,975
years ago because the window to apply for the property tax refund is very wide. So to

2045
03:42:25,975 --> 03:42:35,718
review you can read like this fall, you can apply for like 2 years ago as property tax So

2046
03:42:35,718 --> 03:42:39,255
the window stays open for a long time. So by the time the state has the daddy of that

2047
03:42:39,255 --> 03:42:44,947
available for us to analyze, it's significantly older. Yeah. Okay.

2048
03:42:44,947 --> 03:42:49,552
>> Yeah. And I don't where this lives which department lows, but I know that there

2049
03:42:49,552 --> 03:42:56,920
was an effort by the county, you know, a few years ago, encouraging residents to

2050
03:42:56,920 --> 03:43:01,564
utilize a website about where they dollars and actually collecting it. Right. I don't

2051
03:43:01,564 --> 03:43:05,768
know where the action live, but where where we can continue to measure that. But

2052
03:43:05,768 --> 03:43:09,706
that's essentially money that's left on the table that our residents are leaving. I

2053
03:43:09,706 --> 03:43:15,578
just want to make sure that we continue to monitor and or find a way to continue to

2054
03:43:15,578 --> 03:43:19,849
promote that. >> then, yeah, I can just add a little bit. I don't think

2055
03:43:19,849 --> 03:43:23,853
they're related necessarily because, again, those state dollars are probably in a spot

2056
03:43:23,853 --> 03:43:28,391
that we don't have access to information when you're falling out on. Funds that

2057
03:43:28,391 --> 03:43:34,531
have to do with county related Com County funds. So not have so still eists that I think I

2058
03:43:34,531 --> 03:43:40,203
don't for people look at a report if, you know, do you have any unclaimed funds from

2059
03:43:40,203 --> 03:43:43,806
Ramsey County? Be great. If there was something like that, you know, beyond us, but we

2060
03:43:43,806 --> 03:43:48,211
don't can only control what we have information on. But I think we could know maybe

2061
03:43:48,211 --> 03:43:55,284
through your assessors group, if you bring, that is an maybe between all of them with a

2062
03:43:55,284 --> 03:43:59,822
similar interest in wanting people to maximize and also would wonder government

2063
03:43:59,822 --> 03:44:06,763
relations. That folks, because I wonder. In different seasons where we've pushed for that

2064
03:44:06,763 --> 03:44:11,434
could be legislated. I wonder people haven't gotten some data as a way to make that

2065
03:44:11,434 --> 03:44:16,706
case. If that makes maybe some research has been done by the stay, you know, and the House

2066
03:44:16,706 --> 03:44:24,380
the Senate are there some reports or something that's just a thought. Can you share

2067
03:44:24,380 --> 03:44:33,389
again one to to apply for the Homestead rebate? rebates. >> Madam Cair? Yes. If you go

2068
03:44:33,389 --> 03:44:36,926
to the assessor homepage the Rams County website, the link to online homes that will be

2069
03:44:36,926 --> 03:44:44,726
right there. Right about the property tax videos and the 5 languages. And everything's

2070
03:44:45,135 --> 03:44:47,403
right on our Splash Pages homepage. Yeah, the county assessor and Ramsey comes

2071
03:44:47,403 --> 03:44:54,300
Thank you. >> Commissioner, why thank you mentioned. Thank you. For all

2072
03:44:54,543 --> 03:45:02,170
of and you're. From great work directorship. Many really appreciate it. Cause we do get

2073
03:45:02,170 --> 03:45:06,422
calls from residents about the fact Texas and their values and, you know, they have a lot

2074
03:45:06,422 --> 03:45:10,493
of questions about maybe if they've gone after not because they've done some work on

2075
03:45:10,493 --> 03:45:16,310
their house or maybe person next target? No. So I appreciate that. You are

2076
03:45:16,310 --> 03:45:19,969
answering all those questions and are helping our residents understand their differences

2077
03:45:19,969 --> 03:45:24,769
in values. So first published, appreciate that >> applaud

2078
03:45:28,378 --> 03:45:34,490
>> your efforts to deal with the restrictive covenants discharges. I said before we

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03:45:34,490 --> 03:45:37,530
have in house and I was mortified to find that out. I would have loved discharge it

2080
03:45:37,530 --> 03:45:47,530
before we so so we just didn't about it underwear. that's a bold. I love the goal of 100%

2081
03:45:47,931 --> 03:45:54,937
in 3, 3 more years. >> So I'm grateful that you're reaching out to other

2082
03:45:54,937 --> 03:45:58,141
campuses. And Saint Kate, you mentioned and maybe others will help. I think this is a

2083
03:45:58,141 --> 03:46:03,145
great learning tool students to do this kind of outreach. So kudos to you for finding

2084
03:46:03,145 --> 03:46:09,285
those partners and and I do like personally knocking on the doors of these of these

2085
03:46:09,285 --> 03:46:14,290
people of these residents and then talking to them. And if they're not home, you leave

2086
03:46:14,290 --> 03:46:19,428
something. Is that how that works? Is that you reach reach that many more people? Madam

2087
03:46:19,428 --> 03:46:23,632
Chair, commissioner. >> Yes, literally. I've been out on a canvassing effort 2

2088
03:46:23,632 --> 03:46:29,972
years ago. I went on the first one and I liked your child home and knocked on the door.

2089
03:46:29,972 --> 03:46:35,972
>> So for but yeah, our assessors along with a student.

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03:46:36,512 --> 03:46:43,252
>> in neighborhoods and Saint Paul and around the county that have restrictive

2091
03:46:43,252 --> 03:46:48,858
covenants and we provide information to the resident there. And it's not we leave a

2092
03:46:48,858 --> 03:46:54,330
sticker with a QR code on it next to our code goes to the page that gives all of the

2093
03:46:54,330 --> 03:47:01,336
information on how to just charge the covenant and the process for So we've had a lot

2094
03:47:01,336 --> 03:47:07,276
of success with interactions. The interactions have been very positive for the most

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03:47:07,276 --> 03:47:16,552
part. And so it's been it's been it's a unique opportunity for assessors to really. Get

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03:47:16,552 --> 03:47:22,250
into equity field and make a difference that you can see. So it's it's it's a fantastic

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03:47:22,250 --> 03:47:24,827
opportunity. It's a great connection to communities really angry.

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03:47:24,827 --> 03:47:30,330
>> Just being out there. I think helps people feel listen to her like someone is paying

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03:47:30,330 --> 03:47:34,360
attention. Okay. So thank you so much for that. know it's not one of your measurements.

2100
03:47:34,360 --> 03:47:41,778
Just curious. You know, about calls to assessor's office regarding their property tax

2101
03:47:41,778 --> 03:47:46,983
values. You know, is that pretty much? Is that pretty much stay about?

2102
03:47:46,983 --> 03:47:54,257
>> Standers, you know, the same or times that that's been way higher than others are.

2103
03:47:54,257 --> 03:47:59,394
this is called about value having this. Madam Chair Commissioner.

2104
03:47:59,394 --> 03:48:05,401
>> Yeah, we track all of that. >> as you guys are aware, but the residents listening might

2105
03:48:05,401 --> 03:48:11,207
not be aware. The appeal season starts in March and runs through June. So through

2106
03:48:11,207 --> 03:48:16,345
that period, we our calls get elevated because people can call and ask about their

2107
03:48:16,345 --> 03:48:23,886
>> value. At that time. And they can interact with an assessor and we can come out

2108
03:48:23,886 --> 03:48:31,227
and and look at teir property and make sure their value accurate. It ebbs and flows a

2109
03:48:31,227 --> 03:48:39,502
little bit through the market this last year was kind of down year as far as calls go.

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03:48:39,502 --> 03:48:43,506
And tax court petitions are taxed for petitions. We received about 100 less than

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03:48:43,506 --> 03:48:51,906
the year before and we annually receive somewhere around 800 the year. And so we

2112
03:48:51,980 --> 03:48:56,185
were there are 700 than we were 800 this year and our phone calls were down a little

2113
03:48:56,185 --> 03:49:00,255
bit. I have all the numbers back in our office. And if you guys want to see a history of

2114
03:49:00,255 --> 03:49:10,255
that, I can certainly provide that. And so but we we handle thousands of appeals may be.

2115
03:49:11,142 --> 03:49:15,342
>> You don't have to have happen. >> 1000 1500 1000, the 1500

2116
03:49:21,619 --> 03:49:27,292
informal appeals phone calls to the assessor's office during that March June period.

2117
03:49:27,292 --> 03:49:31,495
And those are all great opportunities for the assessor to interact with residents. I

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03:49:31,495 --> 03:49:37,635
would say most of the time they're looking for information. And somebody

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03:49:37,635 --> 03:49:41,706
talks to them about the process, what their options are, they they can feel

2120
03:49:41,706 --> 03:49:46,577
confident and move on. Some want a review of their property and we go out to

2121
03:49:46,577 --> 03:49:54,452
their property in review the property with them. And then some are still not satisfied

2122
03:49:54,452 --> 03:49:58,189
they can go to the next level. The special Board of Appeal in the position. We have 2 people

2123
03:49:58,189 --> 03:50:04,529
attend that. Tax court. They can go to tax credit for that or they can skip Henrico to

2124
03:50:04,529 --> 03:50:08,399
the tax part process. But there are a number of informal free appeal options that

2125
03:50:08,399 --> 03:50:15,940
happened from March. To June. And that after June them, their only option the

2126
03:50:15,940 --> 03:50:20,878
Minnesota expert. And I just want to say appreciate We're stressing that, you marched in

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03:50:20,878 --> 03:50:25,549
June because we do get calls. >> At the time that they're paying their property taxes,

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03:50:25,549 --> 03:50:32,156
which is now coming up this fall December. And so we get calls about their values. Then

2129
03:50:32,156 --> 03:50:35,226
we say, no, no, you've got you know, you've got to do this from March to June. So I think

2130
03:50:35,226 --> 03:50:41,299
we're all working really hard that making sure that people understand when they need to

2131
03:50:41,299 --> 03:50:45,570
ask us questions about their value when they need appeal it. It's not when they're

2132
03:50:45,570 --> 03:50:50,508
paying when they get their property stat statement in March. So we'll just keep

2133
03:50:50,508 --> 03:50:55,179
saying that it's as we can. And I know we're all putting it in all of our newsletters.

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03:50:55,179 --> 03:51:00,318
But I so appreciate that that that you're doing and then I just have

2135
03:51:00,318 --> 03:51:07,592
to give a shout to station board, which is people that its that that's what it's

2136
03:51:07,592 --> 03:51:10,128
called Court of in position. You know? Yeah. So we all we appoint people to that board a

2137
03:51:10,128 --> 03:51:15,467
part of our residents that look at some of these appeals I know I've appointed someone

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03:51:15,467 --> 03:51:24,342
from from right and Patrick time, but they sit on these boards. These people that that

2139
03:51:24,342 --> 03:51:29,800
city that are residents of ours, that volunteer, you know, instead on these boards.

2140
03:51:29,800 --> 03:51:35,220
So thank you. Thanks to everyone participates in I think mentioned that

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03:51:35,220 --> 03:51:39,624
corrective Thank you, Madam I just really want take a moment and

2142
03:51:39,624 --> 03:51:46,297
>> I 3.0, 81, it was now. >> I wanted to just thank you, for the board. Just to know,

2143
03:51:46,297 --> 03:51:51,702
you know, similar elections. There's different seasons and moments in the history of a

2144
03:51:51,702 --> 03:51:58,776
community that things become focused on. And I will right now, property taxes are a big

2145
03:51:58,776 --> 03:52:05,449
focus. extra work for the assessor's office, too. Be the subject matter expert show up

2146
03:52:05,449 --> 03:52:09,520
that meetings. Do extra analysis. I know I've talked to Pat, you know, a lot more

2147
03:52:09,520 --> 03:52:14,459
than probably other times in history of time. And just got ask him questions like so. And

2148
03:52:14,459 --> 03:52:19,730
then I also think appreciated him mentioning that building stronger together. I think

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03:52:19,730 --> 03:52:25,336
this positioning of assessors any gci has been so opportune while the work that they do.

2150
03:52:25,336 --> 03:52:30,674
And I know the first measure was really about all these license or it is so precise

2151
03:52:30,674 --> 03:52:37,682
and legislated. And we really appreciate that. Technical. asked facts of this very

2152
03:52:37,682 --> 03:52:41,686
important work to do accurately. And you guys are obviously doing that. It also

2153
03:52:41,686 --> 03:52:45,156
provides us a chance to think strategically because we have an ability to have a subject

2154
03:52:45,156 --> 03:52:49,227
matter expert, you know, statewide one at that pack that can help us think about

2155
03:52:49,227 --> 03:52:53,764
things differently and knowing what you know is like a sideline that we don't

2156
03:52:53,764 --> 03:52:58,903
actually didn't have any DCI that directly. So really thank you for adjusting to that

2157
03:52:58,903 --> 03:53:02,840
service team in Cary for, you know, working on that in the last one is just appreciated

2158
03:53:02,840 --> 03:53:07,711
what you mentioned. Commissioner require we intentionally have tried I

2159
03:53:07,711 --> 03:53:11,582
brought in the year of the budget and D couple things that shouldn't necessarily go

2160
03:53:11,582 --> 03:53:16,654
together because then they confuse people more. You might recall many years where we

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03:53:16,654 --> 03:53:20,858
would now to the county manager budget and then we would do a workshop with. Pat

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03:53:20,858 --> 03:53:24,662
and Tracy. And then we would talk a little bit of a patchwork in that race he

2163
03:53:24,662 --> 03:53:27,665
would do on the property tax impacts of Everyone would be kind of a little muddled and

2164
03:53:27,665 --> 03:53:33,338
how those 2 time together. Instead we started the couple that it's more Tracy's show

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03:53:33,338 --> 03:53:37,875
that at that time because we're talking about property tax impact from the previous

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03:53:37,875 --> 03:53:42,130
year's assessments. But we also make sure pets like always in the room in case

2167
03:53:42,130 --> 03:53:44,682
there's questions and all that right sometimes it's not just about the process. People do

2168
03:53:44,682 --> 03:53:49,954
have some questions about what's happening in downtown or whatever right. But then

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03:53:49,954 --> 03:53:55,920
we've tried to put an intentional focus and we will continue that in that March 2,

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03:53:55,920 --> 03:53:57,428
I do in timeline. You know, we will have again, you know, Pakistan there again, to like

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03:53:57,428 --> 03:54:02,366
probably in early and mid-February at a board. Just a quick little presentation.

2172
03:54:02,366 --> 03:54:05,836
Talk about the open book meeting. Remind us about what the things that has to be at

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03:54:05,836 --> 03:54:12,420
the right time of the year. So you guys can sort of amplify and the county can amplify at

2174
03:54:12,420 --> 03:54:14,512
the right moment. So we understand there's a little bit of a delay. And when

2175
03:54:14,512 --> 03:54:21,251
people feel doubt the property tax pressure you want to immediately, you know, make

2176
03:54:21,251 --> 03:54:25,256
your case or talk about it. But that's not how timeline works. And we have and we

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03:54:25,256 --> 03:54:29,193
don't want to make it more confusing. So headed for all those things. I want to thank

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03:54:29,193 --> 03:54:33,998
you. It's been really great to learn from you and I appreciate the way Leanin but

2179
03:54:33,998 --> 03:54:37,668
also how you've made some things that are pretty complex, a little more

2180
03:54:37,668 --> 03:54:41,400
understandable for us. Like, you know, we really are trying understand tax exempt

2181
03:54:41,400 --> 03:54:46,100
properties, how they were, what you know, even you know, when we think about our

2182
03:54:46,100 --> 03:54:49,614
redevelopment opportunities, we want to know OK, well, if we decide to do this like what

2183
03:54:49,614 --> 03:54:53,817
is the benefit to our tax base and to understand that you actually assessed every

2184
03:54:53,817 --> 03:54:58,956
property regardless of whether we're getting property taxes. So the path to actually

2185
03:54:58,956 --> 03:55:03,961
assessing a lot of properties that we actually that aren't necessarily cats pit. But he

2186
03:55:03,961 --> 03:55:06,430
that he's and understanding of them. So thank you so much. I hope that was just a little

2187
03:55:06,430 --> 03:55:12,169
context of the work of this department that I think just the measures themselves do. I

2188
03:55:12,169 --> 03:55:19,369
totally eliminate as as deeply as impact. So thank you, Pat. Commissioner

2189
03:55:20,578 --> 03:55:27,778
>> I want to >> go back a craft that I know I did.

2190
03:55:27,985 --> 03:55:35,185
? >> And the first slide. Thank you so much for hat. Can you

2191
03:55:37,130 --> 03:55:42,285
me understand this equity peace? A little bit more on the 2. I know we're in

2192
03:55:42,285 --> 03:55:46,688
compliance. I know we're at 100%. I appreciate that. I also appreciate commissioners

2193
03:55:46,688 --> 03:55:52,762
on question on what changed to get us there. But with these 24 measures, how are tey

2194
03:55:52,762 --> 03:55:57,967
assess? Because they're not ours right there. They're the. >> The U.S..

2195
03:55:57,967 --> 03:56:03,373
>> The state's system measures that we measure. >> So how are those like where

2196
03:56:03,373 --> 03:56:11,173
is the equity in that piece in? Across like different neighborhoods in property

2197
03:56:11,380 --> 03:56:17,587
values writes, like, how does that work out or are we just meeting this call? That the

2198
03:56:17,587 --> 03:56:22,987
department, Minnesota revenue puts on? >> Madam Chair, pressure. Yes,

2199
03:56:24,260 --> 03:56:29,264
I won't get too nerdy, to stay little bit above. >> But let's talk about how we

2200
03:56:29,264 --> 03:56:34,664
look at the measures. >> The state measures us. >> By.

2201
03:56:35,805 --> 03:56:42,770
>> Jurisdiction. What that means is by city level. Ehsan assessor's office. We measure

2202
03:56:42,770 --> 03:56:47,683
ourselves almost down to a neighborhood Okay? Because we want equity across the entire

2203
03:56:47,683 --> 03:56:55,824
value call. So we generate the statistics that are required for that like, say, the city

2204
03:56:55,824 --> 03:56:59,962
of Saint Paul by every jurisdiction in Saint Paul, the so that we make sure

2205
03:56:59,962 --> 03:57:08,170
everybody is being treated the same. Some the names they most of them measure.

2206
03:57:08,170 --> 03:57:13,109
>> Value equity in the value call. >> So the low value of houses

2207
03:57:13,109 --> 03:57:19,982
are being treated the same way as the higher since they used things like sales ratios and

2208
03:57:19,982 --> 03:57:25,987
court officials of dispersion to do that. >> But we look at the whole

2209
03:57:25,987 --> 03:57:30,993
complete picture. We don't just say Saint Paul means that. So we're we want to know

2210
03:57:30,993 --> 03:57:36,650
that every neighborhood and every area Saint Paul is being treated fairly. And so we

2211
03:57:36,650 --> 03:57:42,738
drove down in our office as far down as we can go to make sure that everybody's been

2212
03:57:42,738 --> 03:57:45,608
sites. >> And so do we see that across different

2213
03:57:45,608 --> 03:57:55,608
neighborhoods? So in different areas and how do we? Maybe I'm >> Off to the back to say what

2214
03:57:57,190 --> 03:58:00,890
I think like, do we? So we try to sow. So I'll try to give you and example, maybe that's

2215
03:58:00,890 --> 03:58:07,563
all. Clarify something. So like let's say sales ratio, which is the easiest one to

2216
03:58:07,563 --> 03:58:12,768
understand bunch of sales happen in area. You take the median sale price against the

2217
03:58:12,768 --> 03:58:19,368
median. >> Assessments and see if they match Okay. And so that'll

2218
03:58:20,642 --> 03:58:24,580
tell you if that neighborhood is being treated, how that neighborhood being treated

2219
03:58:24,580 --> 03:58:30,453
now, if you just do that on a global scale, you got this big of thing and we're judge in

2220
03:58:30,453 --> 03:58:37,590
this box. But if you take little segments of that whole value column and look at.

2221
03:58:37,590 --> 03:58:41,797
>> Now, years suddenly doing that to every piece inside of the big picture. So when you

2222
03:58:41,797 --> 03:58:45,801
make sure the little pieces are all being treated, the same, then, you know, the

2223
03:58:45,801 --> 03:58:50,539
whole picture is being treated the same instead of the where you just look at the big one

2224
03:58:50,539 --> 03:58:54,342
and assume the rest of the same. We actually look at the little pieces to try to make

2225
03:58:54,342 --> 03:58:59,742
sure. >> Thank you. That's very helpful. I appreciate that.

2226
03:59:01,170 --> 03:59:08,824
>> I have a question in regards to that. So sales versus increases in property

2227
03:59:08,824 --> 03:59:15,424
in property taxes. Wisconsin assessor's office. All rght. And another department.

2228
03:59:19,301 --> 03:59:23,572
>> The evaluation Madam Chair, that we have all the assessments like the valuation

2229
03:59:23,572 --> 03:59:30,446
case. We don't really have much to do with the tax calculation piece for the tax

2230
03:59:30,446 --> 03:59:35,851
base other than we set the value classify the property which sets last rate which

2231
03:59:35,851 --> 03:59:40,389
will create the tax capacity that. >> Well, eventually lead to

2232
03:59:40,389 --> 03:59:48,798
Texas. So I don't have. Like you could have properties if every property in the whole

2233
03:59:48,798 --> 03:59:55,538
county went up 10% in the budget and changed over these taxes with change.

2234
03:59:55,538 --> 04:00:03,679
>> And so that's kind of the law. The metric, right? I deal with values and classification

2235
04:00:03,679 --> 04:00:12,790
and then taxes paid come from. >> Budgeting and needs. >> Okay. hope my one with.

2236
04:00:13,155 --> 04:00:19,294
Yeah. That'd be perfect about commission. Ortega. >> talk a little bit more

2237
04:00:19,294 --> 04:00:25,294
about AI Think you were talking about. >> And Madam Chair,

2238
04:00:29,171 --> 04:00:37,380
Commissioner take I thank you. >> This is something that its really probably in the last 5

2239
04:00:37,380 --> 04:00:43,185
to 7 years. We've been seeing some AI appeals where a company puts together a value

2240
04:00:43,185 --> 04:00:48,991
model. And if picks sales and creates a value and they send it to us and they say you're

2241
04:00:48,991 --> 04:00:56,532
over valuing these properties without any expertise. Looking at the AI model without local

2242
04:00:56,532 --> 04:01:03,132
knowledge without any professional oversight of what is developing that value.

2243
04:01:04,873 --> 04:01:12,748
They're getting more and more prevalent more and more full. Last year. We got a company

2244
04:01:12,748 --> 04:01:22,348
that filed bunch. Of appeals on us in this manner. Now. Appealed the wrong year. They

2245
04:01:24,560 --> 04:01:29,365
don't have all the to do it, but they do have the potential learn. And so they're going to

2246
04:01:29,365 --> 04:01:32,368
figure out a few of these things and they have the potential to overwhelm the

2247
04:01:32,368 --> 04:01:39,400
appeal system. If they get enough people to sign up on their website and they just

2248
04:01:39,400 --> 04:01:45,781
send us 100,000 appeals from residents. We have to handle all those with just the staff

2249
04:01:45,781 --> 04:01:53,581
we have it really has the potential to overwhelm a suspect office. our

2250
04:01:54,190 --> 04:01:59,327
professional organization is taking very, very seriously. It's it's a. It's an

2251
04:01:59,327 --> 04:02:05,547
interesting conundrum because we're right at the cusp of the new technology that's, you

2252
04:02:05,547 --> 04:02:08,484
know, anytime there's something new in a space people try to figure out

2253
04:02:08,484 --> 04:02:14,423
what's going to happen. So we're hopeful that we can. Minnesota. We have a few

2254
04:02:14,423 --> 04:02:22,823
protections. And inspection required for an appeal. If you don't like the value model

2255
04:02:23,980 --> 04:02:27,503
appeal and you want to appeal your value, I come to your house, but I have to do an

2256
04:02:27,503 --> 04:02:33,442
inspection because I have to verify that my dad is correct. That is extremely important in

2257
04:02:33,442 --> 04:02:39,648
the valuation process. These AI companies don't have any of that local knowledge state.

2258
04:02:39,648 --> 04:02:46,848
All inspecting these properties. So they're making a lot of for instances.

2259
04:02:47,723 --> 04:02:57,323
>> So let me as does Some of their assessments of a different from just what I'm

2260
04:03:00,669 --> 04:03:10,269
hearing. that correct? And how O has that been decided either through the appeal process? I

2261
04:03:12,681 --> 04:03:19,881
mean, to what extent have they been correct? >> Madam Chair commissioner, a

2262
04:03:20,221 --> 04:03:24,493
lot of in the past, let's say before this last they would send us just these pile of

2263
04:03:24,493 --> 04:03:27,829
houses that they got an engagement letter from somebody say you can do this

2264
04:03:27,829 --> 04:03:31,299
for me. >> And soon as I tell them, I got inspect their property and

2265
04:03:31,299 --> 04:03:36,380
I'd like them to be there so they can show me what they're thinking. It the appeal

2266
04:03:36,380 --> 04:03:41,777
because the company is not going to come from New here to inspect the property. They're

2267
04:03:41,777 --> 04:03:45,180
going to get to the point they're going to come to do the inspection and then we're

2268
04:03:45,180 --> 04:03:55,180
going to have to deal with it. Deal with the appeal, what their models are doing. The

2269
04:03:55,724 --> 04:04:00,528
cops election process inside of modeling is super important. So if you took

2270
04:04:00,528 --> 04:04:04,266
Highland Park House and didn't choose properties from Highland Park to value of that

2271
04:04:04,266 --> 04:04:13,266
House. You could get a very different result. If you chose the real comparable from

2272
04:04:13,408 --> 04:04:16,945
Highland Park that needed to value about homes. So that's where their biggest gaffe is.

2273
04:04:16,945 --> 04:04:23,485
They don't. They look at like Saint Paul is one big thing. And so they just you know,

2274
04:04:23,485 --> 04:04:30,292
they pick the the lowest sales from the area applying to that house and say that's what it's

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So they don't have the institutional. And I and >> I'm trying to down the road

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of concerns If you get 100,000 appeals. And 50% correct? >> Well, they will become

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pricey. What you're saying? Yeah, I would say wreck, let's say 50,001 and inspection.

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I've got 54 people how my going to get to 50,000 inspections? No, and some time

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to get to a couple of >> And 1, one is that maybe the slightest qo isn't the

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best model to begin with And if in these change. >> Then how do we learn from

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what? What's in the economy in and get ahead of curve instead of trying to yeah, because you

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might be fighting a losing war here. >> So I'm I'm trying to get a

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sense. if am the same, the mechanics but and then the other piece is one equity have

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does impact. Is this a plus to a folks that are lower income can't afford to go through

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process. Is that all more economical route for them too? Take out take advantage with

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use. The system has its and tendon, right. And that is to appeal. Most of the the low

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income communities on that APD. >> Madam Chair Commissioner, I

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understand your question. More fully know. >> So as far as the as far as

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the affordability of it. All they have to do is call our office and they're going to

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get the same the same treatment whether they have this AI company do it or not,

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they're going to get the exact same treatment. And we're going to look at the product,

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the house with the exact same lands. So they're going our from yeah. They're going to

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lose have to do But the homework before to get to you is is part of

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>> the Well, for the for the appeal, all they have to do is call us. They don't have to

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have an appraisal or nothing like that for open book. They can just call us and we'll

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look at their property and go out inspect the property. And if there's an unjust war 2,

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we're going to make it weather. And so if this AI company comes and they are

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charging them 30% of whatever those perceived tax savings is which they still can't figure

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out because they don't know how our tax system works. That somebody is value for good on

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their taxes could go up the next year. They're paying someone to do this, but

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they're getting the same treatment just because they came with an AI thing that

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shows something that's a Roni but says their values lower. not going we're not going see

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its cover act if it would be correct, we would lower it whether they have the

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information or not. >> this something missing in with the value? Because

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someone in the Tony got 54 people and I don't think you can cover the waterfront.

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right >> correct. Commissioner saw. But everybody has the

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opportunity to appeal by just call. They can just call and you in the opportunity. I had

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a lot of opportunities. A lot of things doesn't mean get there, right? Yeah.

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>> to your other point, commissioner, about the AI and what we're doing with that

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we're evaluating and I right now our industry is evaluating a I.

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>> To make sure that is there a way we check our models with AI to make sure that our

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models creating credible and that's what I'm getting to. that's what we're doing. A lot

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of money utilizing that trying PD. >> And to circle back

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completely those measures that the Department of Revenue grades assigned are in rubble

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into telling whether you're suspense online or offline. Commissioner McMurtry.

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>> But thank you, Madam Chair. to put things one. I just wanted to go back and

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highlight again, like you have. At the importance of property tax refund program

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commissioners on to point something that I think we should for sure on our and do

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what we can to continue to gain exposure to the program. Also, I think it's it's an

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important thing for us to continue to push AMC to make sure that this is a statewide

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effort, especially as we push that think should continue to push for making an automatic

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through the state legislature. So I just wanted a name that do think it is bigger than

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just a Ramsey county, something that counties across the state should be

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encouraging the residents to take advantage it. I think it behooves us to make sure this

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is something we push and see to continue advocate for as we look towards the next

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legislative session. One question I had is around the professional development and

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looking at, you our role to encourage staff to get advance licenses and destinations out

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of curiosity. Are those different life, insurers and defamation designations there.

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Costs associated with them and none of them. If so, do fist with helping pay for those?

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They get this development. >> Madam Chair commissioner, thank you for highlighting the

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PTR thing as always. I should wear just assign Pell fan. PT are designation in in the

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04:10:35,796 --> 04:10:42,135
course of each licensing sites cycle which the county pays for for the requirement of

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04:10:42,135 --> 04:10:46,406
their license. There are opportunities to take advanced courses that count for their

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04:10:46,406 --> 04:10:53,146
current license, but also the next slice. the sort answer is yes, inside of my education

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04:10:53,146 --> 04:10:59,219
budget, there's opportunities for people to do this in the normal course taking their

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education for their next Reno cycle. They can take the next levels courses and make double

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04:11:07,161 --> 04:11:10,230
for pretty licensing for the next license. >> And also continuing

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education for the current So we're double dipping every opportunity we can to keep

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04:11:17,237 --> 04:11:23,237
people advancing and then coaching them to get higher designations.

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>> Commissioner, you haven't >> Yes, that actually that was the question I have what kind

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04:11:28,848 --> 04:11:32,986
of support we're giving the staff that we're expecting this greater in a professional

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04:11:32,986 --> 04:11:40,527
acceleration. So thank you fr that. Following up on the question listening to you talk

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and having have question raised earlier this spring around the generation of these

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04:11:44,932 --> 04:11:51,500
letters, my mind just goes to the generation of any kind of thing. I mean, the idea that

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04:11:51,500 --> 04:11:54,942
any that that anybody can just decide to say sign up for this and we'll send out any

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04:11:54,942 --> 04:11:59,680
possible request to any a government agency it a possible moment.

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>> Don't miss in the fall. You of just completely waste of time and everybody. Something

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04:12:06,286 --> 04:12:12,492
on the off chance that maybe somehow somehow nickel that attributed your account, know

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04:12:12,492 --> 04:12:15,280
your spending all your tax dollars at every level of government in pursuit these AI

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04:12:15,280 --> 04:12:21,701
requests. Just saying that allow. So I think it's bigger than this tax tax tax

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04:12:21,701 --> 04:12:24,304
assessment. just wondering if the work, if you all were the canaries in the coal mine with

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04:12:24,304 --> 04:12:30,430
those first initial letters, we may need to amplify this higher than just this.

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04:12:30,430 --> 04:12:36,316
>> Madam Chair commissioner, thank you for that. And I think you're exactly right. I

2354
04:12:36,316 --> 04:12:38,852
was sitting with a state representative the other day talking to him about this

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04:12:38,852 --> 04:12:46,326
exact issue and he was worried about the things that you're worried about. I'm just in my

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04:12:46,326 --> 04:12:52,265
little space worrying about the card. I'm pulling all of these other spaces. And he had

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04:12:52,265 --> 04:13:00,600
mentioned that there is state I board. That I was unaware of and they are. They're looking

2358
04:13:00,600 --> 04:13:07,414
at these issues at a state. But I mean, at the legislature this year, I can see that just

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04:13:07,414 --> 04:13:13,287
very committee, the tax committee, all of the major committees. Looking at AI as

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real. Really something that they got to take him to because there's opportunity

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to. Really impact a lot of various. >> commissioners, if had on

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that, I think what commissioner taking was describing is maybe a lack of

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trust since we are the entity that's taxing. >> You know, for an individual

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to call and say, hey, can you take a look at my property? Are you sure you you have

2365
04:13:42,849 --> 04:13:47,855
right? Knowing that we're also the entity that's taxing and therefore it might be more

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04:13:47,855 --> 04:13:54,461
attractive, you know, entity to hire a third-party right to do that review. And so I think

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>> this does reflect this may be an exercise and trust building communities so that

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they gain insight into the process. All now you ation to the extent possible so that

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they can feel confident that when they get that, you know, first notice that they've got

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gain some insight into the process and go, yeah, they're they're probably within really

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solid range. You know, as I think about this kind of AI phenomenon, you know, I see it

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as you know, somebody coming in to a home that they want to buy and saying I'm not paying

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04:14:26,626 --> 04:14:33,633
what you put in your listings below. Tells me this. The deal is is very Just takes these

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cops, right? And then it's like to probably this right. And

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>> of course, you know, somebody saying, well, no, you haven't seen the home. Let me

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04:14:42,508 --> 04:14:45,846
show you are improvements and that kind of what they're describing you need to see the

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home and one, even not easy. But like solid kind approach that director transcribing is

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that in-person inspections. Because these are kind of like, you know, bought kind of

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04:14:58,744 --> 04:15:07,190
letters going out. >> There's pushback as to why this 3rd party should meet at

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04:15:07,190 --> 04:15:10,555
a house and do an inspection the property because they're probably sitting other states

2381
04:15:10,555 --> 04:15:14,827
just kind of watching them out. That's one way around that. But it's going to take a

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04:15:14,827 --> 04:15:23,502
lot of work and research self. >> shouldn't give us And I just want heavy further

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04:15:23,502 --> 04:15:31,110
elaborate on that appeals process that there is a I. >> community board, a part of

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04:15:31,110 --> 04:15:36,849
that our that our colleagues and residents outside of us that are part of that process

2385
04:15:36,849 --> 04:15:40,185
the city. Can you explain that? Because that's another level of trust that it's a

2386
04:15:40,185 --> 04:15:45,591
it's a cut peers that are Commissioner. The the end of the informal appeal process is

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04:15:45,591 --> 04:15:48,994
the special board appeal in position and that's built residence.

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>> Throughout the community and they are the final check and balance on our system.

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>> and let's talk about. How the office plans to deal with this, right? Because I'm

2390
04:16:00,139 --> 04:16:06,746
bringing up an issue So I'm just going elaborate a little bit on this next spring. It's

2391
04:16:06,746 --> 04:16:10,348
going to take a concerted effort by my office and the communications department to

2392
04:16:10,348 --> 04:16:15,354
put the message that people don't need to hire these outside people that are going

2393
04:16:15,354 --> 04:16:21,894
to take money for something that we're going to do for them for free. So w're

2394
04:16:21,894 --> 04:16:29,940
already developing a communications plan about the timing. Where to Munger 80 on

2395
04:16:31,103 --> 04:16:37,109
that or Facebook page. All of the different communications. You might see me on the news

2396
04:16:37,109 --> 04:16:43,115
will know it's it's got to be something that we have to do to communicate to people that.

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04:16:43,115 --> 04:16:48,387
We are open to your questions about our process and our value. You do not have to hire

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someone. That's going to take some of the money. If you are old. We will do it for free.

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Contact us first. And so it's just going it's going to be a communication outreach that

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we're going to do. So if you talk about trust, because not everyone trust government.

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04:17:06,205 --> 04:17:12,770
>> Even if it's free, they don't trust. Always trust India. But thinking about

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04:17:12,770 --> 04:17:18,770
their restrictive covenant. chart. Europe. Lofty goal do 100% in 3 years 5500

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04:17:25,157 --> 04:17:31,960
properties to to complete. It's probably that great partnership that you have same

2404
04:17:31,960 --> 04:17:39,905
case in the young people who's knocking on doors that people can sometime truss more you

2405
04:17:39,905 --> 04:17:46,450
know, colony to government talking to government. Expect that and interaction that

2406
04:17:46,450 --> 04:17:53,520
happens with he's for real people, So it is that the stat want to part of your to

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04:17:53,520 --> 04:17:56,988
continue to engage with communities, to go out and then that that was doors to

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talk about. The company just 2 weeks ago. 2020. >> Madam Chair. Yes, that is

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key. Key piece is. >> entities and the community are together with the same

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04:18:14,206 --> 04:18:18,944
message bring stronger, that's for sure. >> And I would say also part

2411
04:18:18,944 --> 04:18:28,944
of the messages for that. the message, but one of goes you can say Build that trust. Yes,

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04:18:31,757 --> 04:18:37,280
need it. All right. People saying we do this. can we do it free. All right. I have

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04:18:37,280 --> 04:18:39,310
many messenger of the message that comes from the community is in the community to be a

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04:18:39,310 --> 04:18:44,903
part of tat message. >> Yes, Madam chair in the past, I've been to a lot of

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04:18:44,903 --> 04:18:50,242
the Frogtown neighborhood network of spoke at a number of community places and that

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04:18:50,242 --> 04:18:58,642
always helps. That always helps build the trust. >> All right. if you close out

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or done what, thank you so much for presenting here to give us a lot of good

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04:19:01,987 --> 04:19:11,587
information you. Work. So we want to move on are not director. And directly yea. So

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04:19:20,600 --> 04:19:23,875
welcome. I couldn't resist introduce yourself. you can start with you

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04:19:23,875 --> 04:19:31,884
>> Good afternoon, everyone. Can you all hear me? I always feel a little insecure

2421
04:19:31,884 --> 04:19:40,240
whenever the mike is about, I had pursue we're here. I protect a little bit to reach

2422
04:19:40,240 --> 04:19:49,240
the that for There's a sign that says do not move the microphone. Okay. Good

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04:19:49,435 --> 04:19:53,906
afternoon, everyone. anything I'm honored to be to share him to county library supplemental

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04:19:53,906 --> 04:19:58,110
budget performance measures for big. And I want to Dixon some deep appreciation to the

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04:19:58,110 --> 04:20:02,310
team of ? >> I want to some deep

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appreciation to the team of one Hudson, 30 passionate library employees that make

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04:20:13,725 --> 04:20:17,930
these performance measures happen. >> addition to that, I want to

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04:20:17,930 --> 04:20:22,868
acknowledge the individuals to help bring this presentation together. I really love

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04:20:22,868 --> 04:20:28,140
Director Director Greenlee the Collins among several other people. The helpful just

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04:20:28,140 --> 04:20:32,940
together. >> So Ramsey County Library provides services at 7

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04:20:35,747 --> 04:20:41,420
suburban locations across Ramsey County. We also provide services online and out in the

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04:20:41,420 --> 04:20:48,200
community. Driven by community engagement. Our collections programs, services and faces

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04:20:49,940 --> 04:20:55,834
reflect a wide range of interests and needs to connect children, teens, and adults to

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04:20:55,834 --> 04:21:02,400
access support for learning work, creativity, personal growth. So the Ramsey County

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04:21:02,400 --> 04:21:07,112
labor, overseas collections and resources for public use, including books, DVD's, a

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04:21:07,112 --> 04:21:14,252
library of things when resources. also host programs for growth and development

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04:21:14,252 --> 04:21:20,192
such as story time computer classes maker programs. And then we also have our

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04:21:20,192 --> 04:21:25,278
facilities which include spaces such as study meeting rooms, areas facilitate

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04:21:25,278 --> 04:21:30,550
engagement opportunities. Our work is guided by Ramsey County Strategic Purdy. He

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04:21:30,550 --> 04:21:36,355
engaged, through the Rmsey County, Library Advisory Board and further informed by

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04:21:36,355 --> 04:21:42,955
gauging community to develop the library strategic. The performance measures cover

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04:21:46,990 --> 04:21:52,304
today, but Ramsey County Strategic priorities of racial and health equity and share

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04:21:52,304 --> 04:21:55,775
community power, which you'll see in the profession like a materials purchased that

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04:21:55,775 --> 04:22:00,246
reflect racially and ethnically diverse communities cover operational excellence,

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04:22:00,246 --> 04:22:06,246
community connections per One-thousand Ramsey County residents. And then residence

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04:22:07,921 --> 04:22:10,523
entered holistic support. So suburban Ramsey County residents with the library

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04:22:10,523 --> 04:22:15,128
card account. We have some measure down there, which is Ramsey County residents with

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04:22:15,128 --> 04:22:21,601
electric current account. The performance of a strong library system is reflected by

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04:22:21,601 --> 04:22:26,672
how and who we serve and rents county community through or acquisitions are transactions

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04:22:26,672 --> 04:22:31,944
incurred ownership. Lively measures are community indicators of utilization such

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04:22:31,944 --> 04:22:36,816
a circulation. The amount of times people are taking real responsiveness to resident

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04:22:36,816 --> 04:22:40,620
request relevant. The programs that we're facilitating in the books that that are being

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04:22:40,620 --> 04:22:45,492
checked out as well as on informing our partnerships with key community Partnership

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04:22:45,492 --> 04:22:51,564
Partners which identifies who we're serving addresses, who we must prioritize and then

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also who we are missing. Our first master. Our first mission that we're going to be

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04:23:01,574 --> 04:23:06,450
looking at is live or materials purchase that reflect. That was like

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04:23:06,450 --> 04:23:11,117
racially and ethnically diverse communities. One of our most important assets

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04:23:11,117 --> 04:23:17,123
behind our team and our spaces is our collection, our books or DVD's. The park's snowshoes

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04:23:17,123 --> 04:23:25,264
said that director McCAbe left State Park books among several other items we strive to

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04:23:25,264 --> 04:23:29,602
provide a collection that is diverse. That is relevant. That is reflected the

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04:23:29,602 --> 04:23:34,274
community. It serves and spans a wide range of subjects, voices and formats and

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04:23:34,274 --> 04:23:37,610
enriching lives are experiencing food. The collection that Evers that is

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04:23:37,610 --> 04:23:45,410
relevant to and end is reflective. The metrics that you see here specifically

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04:23:45,618 --> 04:23:51,691
reflects any new materials purchased within that given year historically about a 3rd

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04:23:51,691 --> 04:23:58,164
of our new acquisitions of materials are fire about people of color. People check

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04:23:58,164 --> 04:24:04,370
out and use our materials based on how relevant it is. A popular it is how accessible

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04:24:04,370 --> 04:24:09,376
it is and the selection of the material is done. Extremely intentional. Right now, we

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have staff that work directly with specific publishers. Well respected curators of lists.

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They are reaching out to partners like culturally zones at school districts

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04:24:20,720 --> 04:24:26,459
recommendations as well as partnering with some of our internal community partners.

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We have a program with the Rams County Correctional Facility and we go in there

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04:24:31,464 --> 04:24:35,534
and really cable kind of books. You want to check out. And so. They give us

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04:24:35,534 --> 04:24:42,734
recommendations and we have curated a collection that an extremely high circulation.

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I feel strongly that the metrics that we are at are actually very good. Even

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though this represents only a 3rd of our collection there's where we're projecting a

2476
04:24:57,356 --> 04:25:05,756
slight incline. And 28 our 30 publishing industry still he - catching up. So. As they

2477
04:25:08,835 --> 04:25:14,374
continue to catch couple things that I want to both are is that in 2025 alone, checked

2478
04:25:14,374 --> 04:25:22,174
out over 3 million items the public checked out over 3 million items. And that

2479
04:25:23,649 --> 04:25:27,987
essentially means that every single person suburban Ramsey County checked out book at

2480
04:25:27,987 --> 04:25:35,461
least once a month. 2 thirds of the items that are checked out, our physical materials

2481
04:25:35,461 --> 04:25:39,732
and one Thursday materials, half of the all of the items that have been checked out,

2482
04:25:39,732 --> 04:25:43,469
our children's materials, which highlights the importance of continuing the

2483
04:25:43,469 --> 04:25:50,343
reflection of community. And we're pretty much back at our pre-pandemic level of the over

2484
04:25:50,343 --> 04:25:58,170
3 million circulation. A handful of challenges that we face are keeping up with.

2485
04:25:58,170 --> 04:26:05,224
Existing demands holds ratios. How many people are waiting for popular items. How long

2486
04:26:05,224 --> 04:26:07,960
are they? We like to keep that ratio a little bit low so that people are not waiting years

2487
04:26:07,960 --> 04:26:15,635
for a book. And then just in addition to tat inflationary costs high high costs for

2488
04:26:15,635 --> 04:26:20,907
print materials and high costs for content. We do benefit greatly, though, through a

2489
04:26:20,907 --> 04:26:28,915
partnership with Elsa Pace for Levy, which is the that we use for circulating e e-books

2490
04:26:28,915 --> 04:26:33,252
audiobooks. We continue to be the number one circulating consortia in the full world.

2491
04:26:33,252 --> 04:26:36,321
And in addition to that, our partnership Ramsey County Library, Friends help

2492
04:26:36,321 --> 04:26:42,321
supplement budget. Our next performance measure is community connections per

2493
04:26:45,798 --> 04:26:51,337
One-thousand residents. This is our newest measure. So anyone whether or not they

2494
04:26:51,337 --> 04:26:57,760
have a library card, it come visit the library utilize. I'm Eli researchers and look at a

2495
04:26:57,760 --> 04:27:06,285
book off the shelf back the shelf for the that a table for us to collect route. And

2496
04:27:06,285 --> 04:27:13,826
that's the And this is where. We have 2 parts to this metric. We have our physical

2497
04:27:13,826 --> 04:27:21,233
library visits and are partial. Every this is that we have combined together. In

2498
04:27:21,233 --> 04:27:26,633
2025. physical library visits accounted for over 100,000 individual individual walking

2499
04:27:28,574 --> 04:27:35,114
through our doors like literally walk and Raiders. So that means every single person

2500
04:27:35,114 --> 04:27:40,853
in suburban Atlanta County visited the library at least 3 or 4 times a year in 2025. it

2501
04:27:40,853 --> 04:27:45,524
kind of in gauges are large the most important asset. Our staff. They ask for stuff

2502
04:27:45,524 --> 04:27:51,140
about History. project. Were that recipe they can find maximum, maybe a specific

2503
04:27:51,140 --> 04:27:58,947
tractor. Tonight from 1915. That's a very real question. And I have received before is

2504
04:27:58,947 --> 04:28:03,285
like a very specific tractor they wanted. They wanted to paint. You know, they come in

2505
04:28:03,285 --> 04:28:09,891
and they look for help finding jobs resources. One-on-one tech help. During the fall

2506
04:28:09,891 --> 04:28:15,764
last fall of 2025, there were a lot of applause for food resource distance remarkably

2507
04:28:15,764 --> 04:28:20,769
during Metro are notary services Motor country boat. And then they also come to a

2508
04:28:20,769 --> 04:28:25,641
10 programs connect with partners start times kids for school connecting with

2509
04:28:25,641 --> 04:28:32,447
community connecting with all of our other partners that come in with us to do services

2510
04:28:32,447 --> 04:28:39,321
at the library work for solutions. The service center, public Health and the public

2511
04:28:39,321 --> 04:28:43,458
health department bring parents to our maker laps. love the sewing machine. They

2512
04:28:43,458 --> 04:28:51,258
love creating. then also get engaged with our community resource advocates. They also

2513
04:28:51,867 --> 04:28:59,941
come into our LIVE reports spaces 2 years. Our copy. Facts can computer machines to

2514
04:28:59,941 --> 04:29:03,879
3 D printers. what is rowing is our study room usage gathering spaces and meeting

2515
04:29:03,879 --> 04:29:08,830
rooms which the reservations have more than doubled since 2015. And so that was one

2516
04:29:08,830 --> 04:29:15,224
metric. The other one is our Web site visits website visits account for overtime million

2517
04:29:15,224 --> 04:29:20,361
visits in 2025. that essentially means every single person in suburban Atlanta

2518
04:29:20,361 --> 04:29:26,635
County visited our Web site. 40 times in the yes, almost every single week to access or

2519
04:29:26,635 --> 04:29:32,374
LeBron catalog or calendar of events or our digital library, which is a resource of over.

2520
04:29:32,374 --> 04:29:38,974
95 databases. That include academic in peer reviewed medical journals and articles.

2521
04:29:40,182 --> 04:29:45,320
I like him or car repair manuals. Ancestry genealogy databases.

2522
04:29:45,320 --> 04:29:50,325
This is a pretty imperfect measure, though. I have to say there are some things that it

2523
04:29:50,325 --> 04:29:57,199
does not doesn't count whatever we do out. Reach us. So our children's librarian

2524
04:29:57,199 --> 04:30:03,799
visit over 100 kindergarten classes every single fall. They visit over 2500 kids.

2525
04:30:05,730 --> 04:30:07,810
That's not included in here. When we visit the Ramsey County Correctional Facility

2526
04:30:07,810 --> 04:30:14,416
making a checkpoint there. The numbers are not committed here or earlier this spring when we

2527
04:30:14,416 --> 04:30:17,553
engaged every single second grade students across 2 school districts that's also not

2528
04:30:17,553 --> 04:30:24,760
counted in here. And it doesn't include, fortunately, hits to our Ramsey County

2529
04:30:24,760 --> 04:30:33,760
Library app or the Libby app. this measure is pretty a pretty great example our

2530
04:30:36,304 --> 04:30:42,904
services. Now looking at our library card accounts, suburban Ramsey County

2531
04:30:47,248 --> 04:30:52,854
residents with a live report. And I want to I want to make sure that I a separate the 2

2532
04:30:52,854 --> 04:30:57,792
Ramsey County is served by 2 separate library system. Saint Paul Public Library system in

2533
04:30:57,792 --> 04:31:01,395
Ramsey County Library System. Ramsey County Library system everything exclude e anything

2534
04:31:01,395 --> 04:31:09,795
in fall? It's a popular every absolutely wonderful library system. Everything else is And

2535
04:31:11,473 --> 04:31:13,875
so while people are not required to have live record accounts, almost half of

2536
04:31:13,875 --> 04:31:18,947
suburban Ramsey County residents to hold active Ramsey County Library Card

2537
04:31:18,947 --> 04:31:23,218
account, which we strive to increase some of the benefits include the ability to access

2538
04:31:23,218 --> 04:31:27,822
the live resource, take home the Bucks. But the 95 databases that I was chatting

2539
04:31:27,822 --> 04:31:34,830
about then also access to our partners so they can go to Saint Paul Register their live

2540
04:31:34,830 --> 04:31:40,235
record over there, utilize any and all resources that they have over there or across any

2541
04:31:40,235 --> 04:31:46,975
of our Metro Regional Library systems, they also get access to enter library loan, which

2542
04:31:46,975 --> 04:31:55,984
is the ability to borrow books from libraries across the nation. So in general, we want

2543
04:31:55,984 --> 04:32:01,790
to make sure that we are also removing obstacles to barriers for getting a library card and

2544
04:32:01,790 --> 04:32:07,596
then also barriers accessing our library resources in general. So trying to to limit

2545
04:32:07,596 --> 04:32:12,534
requirement to have a live report out to get to our resources. We provide passes

2546
04:32:12,534 --> 04:32:17,272
for folks that want to use the computer. We do require people to check in with their library

2547
04:32:17,272 --> 04:32:21,476
card account when they come to a program, et cetera. So while we track this measure, we

2548
04:32:21,476 --> 04:32:28,950
should really look at all 3. then I'm just briefly review of this mine. I'm not going to

2549
04:32:28,950 --> 04:32:32,821
go very much and death, which is Ramsey County residents with a live report out. This

2550
04:32:32,821 --> 04:32:37,910
just means the Saint Paul residents that are registered with their library card

2551
04:32:37,910 --> 04:32:42,970
account in the Ramsey County Library system. So about 10% of all Saint Paul residents

2552
04:32:42,970 --> 04:32:48,697
have their cards. Com registered suburban Ramsey County Library system. So

2553
04:32:52,441 --> 04:32:59,410
looking at improving a performance measures here specifically to the first

2554
04:32:59,514 --> 04:33:01,983
measure. Every materials purchased that reflect racially and ethnically

2555
04:33:01,983 --> 04:33:06,722
diverse communities. I want to know that we are overall constrained by inflation. Eric

2556
04:33:06,722 --> 04:33:12,927
Haase, for fiscal materials and limited by restrictive language around materials

2557
04:33:12,927 --> 04:33:18,927
increase inflation cost for fiscal materials are essentially 20 to 50% level.

2558
04:33:20,735 --> 04:33:26,808
So a book that would have been between 25 to $30 in 2020 is now 3 to $40 or a little bit

2559
04:33:26,808 --> 04:33:34,608
more than not materials cost between 3 to 5 times the cost of their physical

2560
04:33:35,216 --> 04:33:43,160
counterparts. So let's say in audio book might have cost, you $45.50, $1 when we're

2561
04:33:44,920 --> 04:33:48,764
looking a the audio version of it, it's 100 and something. It's almost $00. And thing

2562
04:33:48,764 --> 04:33:54,368
about the the E material is that there's only 2 different ways that we can license

2563
04:33:54,368 --> 04:34:02,511
materials econ times. You can either do it by timeframe. So you can have it have it for 2

2564
04:34:02,511 --> 04:34:09,785
years or you can check it out for 20 to 6 times. And so once you have exceeded either that

2565
04:34:09,785 --> 04:34:16,792
time frame or that circulation yet disappears back into the ether. Whereas for the fiscal

2566
04:34:16,792 --> 04:34:21,333
counterpart, we might keep it until it falls off the seams or we might repair it.

2567
04:34:21,333 --> 04:34:27,873
Actually, that's extremely popular that I will toss it back to Michelle. So we have

2568
04:34:27,873 --> 04:34:31,811
an opportunity pursue legislation that perhaps trying to keep looking digital

2569
04:34:31,811 --> 04:34:39,110
audio book, contract language looking ahead, I would really recommend reviewing in

2570
04:34:40,860 --> 04:34:45,291
supporting legislation to cap the costs for content of this would provide more purchasing

2571
04:34:45,291 --> 04:34:53,910
power, essentially also For the next bullet. Also believe that partnerships with key

2572
04:34:55,568 --> 04:34:59,572
organizations will only improve our connections with communities. We recently

2573
04:34:59,572 --> 04:35:04,243
partnered with the Roseville and Mount the school districts to grow home Lively's second

2574
04:35:04,243 --> 04:35:09,515
graders and this was a project that was supportive by the Ramsey County Library,

2575
04:35:09,515 --> 04:35:14,520
friends, these types of connections, are they extremely meaningful that

2576
04:35:14,520 --> 04:35:23,520
bring students and more users into our libraries? In terms of ongoing challenges. I mean,

2577
04:35:25,131 --> 04:35:33,600
when usage has extremely. Flying off the chart earlier, I noted meeting room bookings

2578
04:35:33,600 --> 04:35:39,606
has essentially doubled since 2015. this this will require a capital investment

2579
04:35:40,346 --> 04:35:46,419
essentially. When we look at our buildings and we look at our structures, people come in

2580
04:35:46,419 --> 04:35:52,225
for books for staff, et cetera. And the people also come in because we are the C

2581
04:35:52,225 --> 04:36:01,166
or we are the community heat. so while we have large attendance is while we have

2582
04:36:01,166 --> 04:36:04,504
people utilizing the resources, some people are really just looking for a

2583
04:36:04,504 --> 04:36:09,841
shelter, a place to stay during that day. Sometimes they use our study rooms to

2584
04:36:09,841 --> 04:36:15,915
tonight and Sunday. Now you can go to that poor hearing or the interview for the medical

2585
04:36:15,915 --> 04:36:23,550
appointment or that tutor them enter lake. We're studying, like sometimes are just there

2586
04:36:23,550 --> 04:36:30,620
to exist. And so as the volume continues to increase, like we're going to have to. Really

2587
04:36:30,620 --> 04:36:36,134
think, and her ties are capital investments and stasis. In addition to that.

2588
04:36:36,134 --> 04:36:43,334
Libre's continue to see challenging and or complex conditions and situations, the

2589
04:36:44,476 --> 04:36:49,681
incidences experiences that happen in our communities also happened. Ivories. The needs

2590
04:36:49,681 --> 04:36:54,220
in our communities are very high right now. People experiencing asked leading

2591
04:36:54,220 --> 04:37:00,250
mental health conditions in our communities. They come into our libraries. Staff have

2592
04:37:00,250 --> 04:37:04,563
to manage these situations and the very public space and then also at the same time, ensure

2593
04:37:04,563 --> 04:37:10,569
the safety of the public and their colleagues. The on this staff are managing complex and

2594
04:37:10,569 --> 04:37:14,507
highly nuanced situations that require several referrals to nonprofits partners such as

2595
04:37:14,507 --> 04:37:18,778
rubbing them to family collaborative housing, stability, financial

2596
04:37:18,778 --> 04:37:26,385
Assistance Services. And so I just wanted 10 shutout to. Kudos to direct deputy

2597
04:37:26,385 --> 04:37:30,789
director a lot whose reviewing and assessing lot training and support opportunities for

2598
04:37:30,789 --> 04:37:36,261
staff to connect with experts and colleagues around this type of work. But then on as

2599
04:37:36,261 --> 04:37:40,399
as we continue to move forward, we're going to continue to. I need to figure

2600
04:37:40,399 --> 04:37:49,399
out some solutions for supporting a our staff and the public. So in terms of

2601
04:37:51,811 --> 04:37:54,880
operational changes to improve efficiency, we have been reviewing our processes,

2602
04:37:54,880 --> 04:38:02,800
procedures and practices to identify operational changes. You may all the receiving

2603
04:38:02,621 --> 04:38:08,894
library notices via e-mail or phone. also have a camp people who are very committed to the

2604
04:38:08,894 --> 04:38:15,434
print mail home. in the past few years in the past year, we've been working on

2605
04:38:15,434 --> 04:38:20,839
individuals, either tough se - phone or, you know, notices that's actually saving us

2606
04:38:20,839 --> 04:38:26,445
quite a bit of money. And by part of that money 500 bucks a month, which I'm gonna say

2607
04:38:26,445 --> 04:38:30,645
like, ? >> This is saving us on Post

2608
04:38:34,119 --> 04:38:39,191
says and this is saving us on printing as well as staff time. In addition to that, we

2609
04:38:39,191 --> 04:38:45,997
also procured a new integrated library system. And last integrated library system is

2610
04:38:45,997 --> 04:38:49,668
essentially a database that manages by record counts. And then every materials and that

2611
04:38:49,668 --> 04:38:57,209
the relationship between the 2. Folks who a as a highly regarded out probably would

2612
04:38:57,209 --> 04:39:02,815
call in July when I'm like, hey, there's going to be a little bit of pause and

2613
04:39:02,815 --> 04:39:08,420
services, but then it will be coming back up July 2026. Was when we transitioned our eye

2614
04:39:08,420 --> 04:39:14,893
last and the last time we did it was 25 years ago. This is resulting in a cost savings of

2615
04:39:14,893 --> 04:39:21,633
about $50,000 every single year. And then in addition to that, we also adjusted our

2616
04:39:21,633 --> 04:39:28,708
staffing structure for the 26 27 year. We essentially eliminated are budget. And so

2617
04:39:28,708 --> 04:39:31,777
we use a lot of those steps to ensure that we can operate buildings and have staff and

2618
04:39:31,777 --> 04:39:39,577
the public we transition to long-term subs and supplement supplemented those in phase 5

2619
04:39:41,587 --> 04:39:46,392
vacancies to ensure that jurors can remain open for public service. As we look

2620
04:39:46,392 --> 04:39:50,663
forward, I didn't know for the spot. will have to strategically review our

2621
04:39:50,663 --> 04:39:55,667
compliments of facilities. And sure that any capital investment that we make is the

2622
04:39:55,667 --> 04:40:01,407
right investment for presidents for the next few Considering the increase

2623
04:40:01,407 --> 04:40:07,613
requests for meeting rooms, high foot traffic anticipated increase, use, we'll pursue

2624
04:40:07,613 --> 04:40:12,151
facilities vision to ensure that we are moving in the right direction. And then will

2625
04:40:12,151 --> 04:40:14,686
also continue to maximize our relationship and partnership with France County Library,

2626
04:40:14,686 --> 04:40:22,762
friends. Previously they contributed probably half of a percent. And now looking at a

2627
04:40:22,762 --> 04:40:30,169
contribution of one percent, which finance portion of our programs. There is significant

2628
04:40:30,169 --> 04:40:35,707
opportunity for us to continue to expand. The support is. And so with that, I'll conclude my

2629
04:40:35,707 --> 04:40:40,979
presentation and stand for questions. >> All right. Thank you.

2630
04:40:40,979 --> 04:40:44,450
Commissioner Miller. >> I think you Director for everything that you and your

2631
04:40:44,450 --> 04:40:51,474
staff and somebody that has 3 libraries and I districts and who visits the monthly, I each

2632
04:40:51,474 --> 04:40:58,481
and every one of your staff into their space monthly. >> My first line is going to

2633
04:40:58,481 --> 04:41:04,420
go our first side. My first question goes with this is great scene and I appreciate

2634
04:41:04,420 --> 04:41:08,892
the effort to purchase more culturally and racially and ethnically diverse material.

2635
04:41:08,892 --> 04:41:13,830
What is it you do? What is the utilization on the material that's being purchase.

2636
04:41:13,830 --> 04:41:20,703
>> So is a difficult metric to track partially because we do not. Well, we flag it at

2637
04:41:20,703 --> 04:41:29,846
purchase. We don't track it after. Okay. I can tell you that we For a moment of time.

2638
04:41:29,846 --> 04:41:34,785
We did track utilization of the books purchased that were referred and recommended to us

2639
04:41:34,785 --> 04:41:39,255
by Ramsey County Correctional Facility. Inmates. And that can take that was extremely

2640
04:41:39,255 --> 04:41:43,993
high use like it like there were some books that we are essentially like. Let's just

2641
04:41:43,993 --> 04:41:48,264
keep it there. can we do? Need a couple copies because we're just I couldn't see it back

2642
04:41:48,264 --> 04:41:52,669
again. And so we there's been some microcosm of tracking some of that. But then there's

2643
04:41:52,669 --> 04:41:58,208
really no way for us to. >> then my as we are purchasing those materials, I

2644
04:41:58,208 --> 04:42:02,344
just want to make sure just like I just want to add the note in to make sure that

2645
04:42:02,344 --> 04:42:09,190
we're producing materials that are written authors that are reflect what they're writing.

2646
04:42:09,190 --> 04:42:12,555
So I know often time the native community. >> Non native people like to

2647
04:42:12,555 --> 04:42:19,228
write about us. >> But it's just better to purchase it from an actual

2648
04:42:19,228 --> 04:42:23,432
native for that's an example of that. I was just wanted to give.

2649
04:42:23,432 --> 04:42:31,400
>> really appreciate that. Madam Chair commissioner, I we believe in own voice and so

2650
04:42:31,400 --> 04:42:39,449
on. That essentially is what you're speaking And so partner and we work with France books

2651
04:42:39,449 --> 04:42:42,252
actually to ensure that the matter is that we're purchasing our reflectors and

2652
04:42:42,252 --> 04:42:50,660
is reflective of and that take that be great. not just for the native crafts for all.

2653
04:42:50,660 --> 04:42:53,529
Yes. >> Okay. And then my question, I did have a big question on

2654
04:42:53,529 --> 04:42:57,267
the slide, but I did see it. That's on the next slide. >> So when we go to the

2655
04:42:57,267 --> 04:43:03,205
performance measures, can you talk a little more about these challenging and complex

2656
04:43:03,205 --> 04:43:07,610
incidents that that you're that you and your staff are experiencing, maybe give us an

2657
04:43:07,610 --> 04:43:14,617
example would be helpful. And then how are your? How how do you respond to that in real

2658
04:43:14,617 --> 04:43:20,890
time, right? if you you mentioned here and you said in your presentation that, you

2659
04:43:20,890 --> 04:43:24,270
know, you requiring more staffing. are you know this or partnering with service

2660
04:43:24,270 --> 04:43:31,434
centers. So and then I'm going to are you seeing the incidents at the library

2661
04:43:31,434 --> 04:43:37,107
having with library patrons, people utilizing the library? Are people utilizing?

2662
04:43:37,107 --> 04:43:42,245
>> The space for a safe place to be or more utilizing the library because there's a

2663
04:43:42,245 --> 04:43:46,382
service center there as want to make sure that one that there's right type of people

2664
04:43:46,382 --> 04:43:50,920
in that right type of space. So if we maybe don't mission be at a library staff

2665
04:43:50,920 --> 04:43:54,991
responding to it, maybe it should be a social service staff or a service center

2666
04:43:54,991 --> 04:44:01,130
staff helping respond to that. Instead. How can we help in that area? And I'm sure

2667
04:44:01,130 --> 04:44:04,400
commissioner, all of the above. I think every single situation has been extremely

2668
04:44:04,400 --> 04:44:07,671
and hiring once. >> In terms of the needs of the complexity of each

2669
04:44:07,671 --> 04:44:14,871
situation. In August, there was a situation of in-house family, right, 3 generations

2670
04:44:17,346 --> 04:44:21,751
of families that essentially parked themselves outside of one of her life we had to

2671
04:44:21,751 --> 04:44:25,688
employ as many resources as we could to provide that the support for for those family

2672
04:44:25,688 --> 04:44:33,163
like that family. >> And so on that relocation was mounds view and it did not

2673
04:44:33,163 --> 04:44:39,568
have all of that right. And the mom library is very well loved by the community for a

2674
04:44:39,568 --> 04:44:45,642
handful of different values. It's not a gigantic library. It's not intimidating, you

2675
04:44:45,642 --> 04:44:49,979
know, with the staff is every single day that you're walking in there. And so then you can

2676
04:44:49,979 --> 04:44:55,385
build a relationship built trust with That something that you don't really experience,

2677
04:44:55,385 --> 04:44:58,121
let's say Roseville on to because they're so large there. So many people that

2678
04:44:58,121 --> 04:45:04,260
work there. For that particular situation like we had to call multiple different

2679
04:45:04,260 --> 04:45:07,663
partners. We connected with housing stability. We connected with service

2680
04:45:07,663 --> 04:45:11,467
centers. We connected with as many resources as we could. connected with the city as

2681
04:45:11,467 --> 04:45:16,806
well to just try to get support. But then that's that's one incident. And

2682
04:45:16,806 --> 04:45:22,745
that's one scenario. then we also have other scenario such as and individual who is

2683
04:45:22,745 --> 04:45:27,750
experiencing a mental health crises that what we need to do is de-escalate ensure that the

2684
04:45:27,750 --> 04:45:33,823
individual is safe. Ensure that staff and patrons are safe and then actually just

2685
04:45:33,823 --> 04:45:37,260
get them out the door to the support that they need. Right. And that's not going to be

2686
04:45:37,260 --> 04:45:43,833
ice. I'm a true believer that. We cannot be the expert at everything. And and as much as

2687
04:45:43,833 --> 04:45:48,971
we no people and try to develop and gather resources. We won't know everything and

2688
04:45:48,971 --> 04:45:54,310
we won't resources until then. Those are sort of the types of situations that we do just

2689
04:45:54,310 --> 04:46:00,583
hand off and pass it off to other experts, such as like our public health nurses are

2690
04:46:00,583 --> 04:46:06,456
the mental health unit of a police department to say like, hey, we really need your

2691
04:46:06,456 --> 04:46:13,797
support all hands. Let's let's wrap around this individual. outside so that whatever they -

2692
04:46:13,797 --> 04:46:18,601
can, whatever they do return to the library that there's very clear set expectations.

2693
04:46:18,601 --> 04:46:25,800
But, you know, to your point about what happens at the time up. It's very difficult. You

2694
04:46:25,800 --> 04:46:28,100
know, staff are having to make some judgment calls for situations that have never

2695
04:46:28,100 --> 04:46:33,149
happened before. And so every single situation is extremely different and extremely

2696
04:46:33,149 --> 04:46:41,224
nuanced and Kerry's varying levels o weight. And and so I really appreciate the staff

2697
04:46:41,224 --> 04:46:47,224
that are managing the situations. >> Flower on staffing. Can you

2698
04:46:51,501 --> 04:46:56,172
did mention in the last slide, the steward in savings. You did mention the update on the

2699
04:46:56,172 --> 04:47:02,112
sub system. >> And I'm just see how that has changed. How is that as

2700
04:47:02,112 --> 04:47:07,917
someone again, who was in the library's 3 different libraries, monthly? I can kind

2701
04:47:07,917 --> 04:47:13,534
of see. And I can kind see how busy it sometimes it really is. And so I'm just curious

2702
04:47:13,534 --> 04:47:18,739
how the subs are working and if that's successful, that has actually played on Earth.

2703
04:47:18,739 --> 04:47:23,544
That's something that we need to reconsider. why I say that is because I don't want it to

2704
04:47:23,544 --> 04:47:30,550
get us into a situation where. Now we're utilizing more staff and rather than filling

2705
04:47:30,550 --> 04:47:35,890
positions and then staff feel overwhelmed, work burnt out. >> You know, whether it's I

2706
04:47:35,890 --> 04:47:42,295
can take time off, some just going to call in sick and then kind of get that fll staffing

2707
04:47:42,295 --> 04:47:47,695
issues. Madam Chair, commissioner, >> The transition that we made

2708
04:47:47,701 --> 04:47:53,574
from 2025 to 2026. Is that we no longer have folks that are on call. That just picks up

2709
04:47:53,574 --> 04:47:59,379
one shift and then lets it go a complete that shift and then they're done until they pick

2710
04:47:59,379 --> 04:48:05,520
up another ship. Now we have transitioned it to long-term subs to ensure that they

2711
04:48:05,520 --> 04:48:09,523
there's a regular cadence. Some of the work that they're doing. We're still trying to

2712
04:48:09,523 --> 04:48:17,640
fill every single role that we have. And so that doesn't filling and having any

2713
04:48:17,640 --> 04:48:24,400
long-term shift doesn't pause our ability to tired. And so we haven't caused any hiring

2714
04:48:24,400 --> 04:48:28,609
time And so we do hope that staff you continue to take their vacation to continue to

2715
04:48:28,609 --> 04:48:35,683
take their like take leaves as needed. And so and then we'll we'll figure it But then that

2716
04:48:35,683 --> 04:48:40,620
has been a transition be been a looking at ways that we could alter. We could change

2717
04:48:40,620 --> 04:48:48,361
it. We've. The deputy director has employed handful of strategies to also keep us.

2718
04:48:48,361 --> 04:48:51,365
Updated. So, look, we've had shelving what's over at Roseville. Roseville is an

2719
04:48:51,365 --> 04:48:56,636
extremely popular. I think one of the HIAS and busiest circulating libraries and

2720
04:48:56,636 --> 04:49:01,909
that's it. And so that essentially means. You could blink. And then all the carts

2721
04:49:01,909 --> 04:49:07,648
are full that someone needs a shelf. so we've been we still have been having a handful of

2722
04:49:07,648 --> 04:49:16,257
tiny one office to ensure that. Libraries continue to. So on the though it is a

2723
04:49:16,257 --> 04:49:19,660
little imperfect where we're going to be reviewing and assessing and it's where now,

2724
04:49:19,660 --> 04:49:25,660
you know, 8 months and 9 months in. >> And you mentioned also

2725
04:49:28,202 --> 04:49:30,271
evaluating facilities across Ramsey County to identify where to make strategic

2726
04:49:30,271 --> 04:49:37,278
investments. What does this look like? And when wat does this cut this look like? And

2727
04:49:37,278 --> 04:49:43,884
at what point? when should the board expect to be updated Indy engaged in these

2728
04:49:43,884 --> 04:49:47,821
conversations as And that's that's just more like maintenance and modernization

2729
04:49:47,821 --> 04:49:54,421
or is that? Decisions on a different? Per on providing services.

2730
04:50:00,300 --> 04:50:06,900
>> Madam chair and So I in 2019, 2018, 2019 Ramsey County Library developed facilities

2731
04:50:09,443 --> 04:50:12,580
master plan. And as a part of that work is essentially assessed all of our buildings

2732
04:50:12,580 --> 04:50:21,580
and then make recommendations a big disrupter to that plan has the pandemic and how

2733
04:50:21,655 --> 04:50:26,927
people use our public resources and public spaces. And so I think what we would

2734
04:50:26,927 --> 04:50:35,200
be pursuing in 2027 would be a reassessment of our buildings are, the current status of

2735
04:50:35,200 --> 04:50:40,340
them and then make some recommendations on. Are they in the right places? we with

2736
04:50:40,340 --> 04:50:46,213
the right partners? Are we? Are we making the right considerations for how people

2737
04:50:46,213 --> 04:50:53,820
the spaces for today's day and age? Because as we have seen far from the renovation of the

2738
04:50:53,820 --> 04:50:59,760
library at Maplewood, is that the plan actually did not describe what that library

2739
04:50:59,760 --> 04:51:04,698
needed. And we did a complete redo based some community. 3 very intense community

2740
04:51:04,698 --> 04:51:09,103
engagement, sessions that essentially set we need way study rooms. We need way more

2741
04:51:09,103 --> 04:51:14,908
engagement places. And we knew we were meeting rooms in addition to a living room. And

2742
04:51:14,908 --> 04:51:18,712
that's what we put to that library. And it is now being well due Thank you. I

2743
04:51:18,712 --> 04:51:24,712
appreciate that. >> Yeah, thank Madam Chair, Commissioner Miller. I talked

2744
04:51:27,188 --> 04:51:33,194
to the so-called quite a bit about this and I appreciated hangs track here around it.

2745
04:51:33,194 --> 04:51:38,265
It's an alignment. I think we just really want to think smart about how we co located.

2746
04:51:38,265 --> 04:51:43,404
And then we've seen a lot now around our service centers are you know how we work community

2747
04:51:43,404 --> 04:51:50,110
partners. Our cities are other nonprofits like to me. It feels like at the moment needs

2748
04:51:50,110 --> 04:51:54,548
are increasing and the county isn't the only answer for what people need. And while

2749
04:51:54,548 --> 04:51:59,953
libraries are trusted spaces that we need to and scarcity of resources within, you know,

2750
04:51:59,953 --> 04:52:04,225
multiple levels of government. We need to just thinks more. smartly about how to co locate

2751
04:52:04,225 --> 04:52:09,163
things. So that people, you know, both for costs and all those, but also for

2752
04:52:09,163 --> 04:52:15,369
accessibility, like when families, you know, they don't need to go on a trips to take

2753
04:52:15,369 --> 04:52:18,572
the kids a library, maybe go get a county service and maybe see a public health nurse. You

2754
04:52:18,572 --> 04:52:20,975
know, like I think we really need to think about integrated services. And that could even

2755
04:52:20,975 --> 04:52:27,581
include paying your, you doing some business with the city to cite. Just think there's

2756
04:52:27,581 --> 04:52:29,983
multitude of partners. There's different models are already out there.

2757
04:52:29,983 --> 04:52:34,454
>> That have been happening. But maybe not. >> As intentionally. And now

2758
04:52:34,454 --> 04:52:36,724
we need to think about that before we make more investments and we should have

2759
04:52:36,724 --> 04:52:45,124
a front door. >> So thank So I was also thinking the same thing. You

2760
04:52:46,133 --> 04:52:54,274
today we're not where we were 5 years ago. It is it going. Populations that are 50

2761
04:52:54,274 --> 04:52:56,810
different, just more challenges. And, know, can or with families.

2762
04:52:56,810 --> 04:53:03,951
>> And I was just wondering. You know, as you look at the changing environment that we

2763
04:53:03,951 --> 04:53:12,951
are you talk about this, you know, but do staff need different types of trainings

2764
04:53:13,427 --> 04:53:17,964
to prepare them with the engagement piece people coming to the library. You have to

2765
04:53:17,964 --> 04:53:23,170
respond to tat maybe use and trauma informed training, right whatever. different

2766
04:53:23,170 --> 04:53:29,910
types of training to use a deal. you encounter Publix. So maybe think about that, too.

2767
04:53:29,910 --> 04:53:36,490
We need to doing today that we didn't have to do yesterday. And I wasn't that family that

2768
04:53:36,490 --> 04:53:41,388
you talked about to be generational family that came into the library. What why did

2769
04:53:41,388 --> 04:53:46,465
they need help? So that's what were they doing? >> Madam that family was

2770
04:53:46,465 --> 04:53:52,605
unhoused resources they needed a lot of other resources for their children. I mean, what

2771
04:53:52,605 --> 04:54:01,347
do do that they can stand out that staff had to engage with >> Madam chair, they were

2772
04:54:01,347 --> 04:54:08,421
sleeping outside the building. >> Okay. That's the I'm trying to get to white down with

2773
04:54:08,421 --> 04:54:14,694
encounter. So he was out doors sleeping and so you make some phone calls to get some

2774
04:54:14,694 --> 04:54:21,967
support grand to county to hopefully we showed out he was able to meet some needs of the

2775
04:54:21,967 --> 04:54:26,639
OK? Because I wasn't sure I'm like, okay. What what What's happening with them? Family?

2776
04:54:26,639 --> 04:54:36,115
And I would agree, you know, as You know, try to evaluate, you know, looking integrated.

2777
04:54:36,115 --> 04:54:38,117
So this is what looked like today in an different from where it Public spaces are

2778
04:54:38,117 --> 04:54:48,117
not. We're used to be So how do we how do we transition to to meet the needs of today,

2779
04:54:49,261 --> 04:54:54,934
individuals and families and communities. And what did look like? So I would hope to back

2780
04:54:54,934 --> 04:54:58,700
from you about what you think that needs to be. All right. What are we doing differently

2781
04:54:58,700 --> 04:55:07,700
every Lawrence? And we we your and different situations that arises where public spaces are

2782
04:55:11,484 --> 04:55:16,889
being used may be used a different way it was used before. Because remember it.

2783
04:55:16,889 --> 04:55:23,629
And members have always been a safe place for families to go and be for many different

2784
04:55:23,629 --> 04:55:28,300
reasons. in, you know, what is that room me for? The staff and others who are there to

2785
04:55:28,300 --> 04:55:34,900
support families and communities. commissioner. Yes, I just want actually just

2786
04:55:34,906 --> 04:55:40,306
caught. >> Talk about this very thing on our softball.

2787
04:55:40,513 --> 04:55:46,719
>> And although I think libraries does a concentrated dose of some of these

2788
04:55:46,719 --> 04:55:52,858
complexities, you know, we are the assessor's may going home experiencing at our park staff

2789
04:55:52,858 --> 04:55:58,397
are experiencing. so. >> To hear your point about trainings, I do think that

2790
04:55:58,397 --> 04:56:03,535
there's probably a broader organizational approach should be looking at. If you are

2791
04:56:03,535 --> 04:56:09,809
facing the awake and you can service center you need to be quiet when level training.

2792
04:56:09,809 --> 04:56:14,346
That's the reality. So I appreciate everything you thank you. Commissioners on.

2793
04:56:14,346 --> 04:56:20,686
>> Thank you. Madam Chair. You know, I have a similar questions that Commissioner

2794
04:56:20,686 --> 04:56:27,159
Miller just because we are seeing that level of need in all of our public spaces. So I

2795
04:56:27,159 --> 04:56:34,833
have a question about are we? >> Working across different departments. I'm also thinking

2796
04:56:34,833 --> 04:56:41,974
all our public health, like for our I public health responders there has there

2797
04:56:41,974 --> 04:56:48,460
been relationship that has been formalized or what is the cadence partnership? Madam

2798
04:56:48,460 --> 04:56:53,446
Chair Commissioner there. >> Certainly strong relationship ties across all

2799
04:56:54,453 --> 04:57:02,853
of our departments. I meet with director Karen pretty regularly. I also meet with

2800
04:57:03,128 --> 04:57:10,928
the director of Workforce Solutions, the director of and social services. It's it's

2801
04:57:12,204 --> 04:57:15,808
absolutely necessary that we have all of these times relationships and it's also

2802
04:57:15,808 --> 04:57:23,883
the necessary for us to have ties relationships with cities and him. Our nonprofit

2803
04:57:23,883 --> 04:57:28,754
partners engagements with solid ground top and center has been extremely crucial for

2804
04:57:28,754 --> 04:57:33,893
us to continue to be able to provide the supports for the complexity of the situations

2805
04:57:33,893 --> 04:57:39,293
that happen. Experience. >> In terms >> public health, we engage

2806
04:57:40,299 --> 04:57:43,835
with multiple different divisions. >> And we do have a hand like

2807
04:57:43,835 --> 04:57:47,907
the cadence over at the Monte Library particular. I believe they did this at the library,

2808
04:57:47,907 --> 04:57:56,982
at least twice month. And over at the Maplewood Library, we have what we call community

2809
04:57:56,982 --> 04:58:02,254
resource advocates where we actually have like come in. W have a handful internal

2810
04:58:02,254 --> 04:58:06,925
Department partners that come in >> as well. And then a handful

2811
04:58:06,925 --> 04:58:10,796
of other external partners that come in that sort provide that wrap-around support for

2812
04:58:10,796 --> 04:58:17,200
anyone who's looking for any resource. Okay. >> Yeah, that's really good to

2813
04:58:17,200 --> 04:58:22,875
hear because, you yeah, I'm sure you're checking conversations in Saint Paul

2814
04:58:22,875 --> 04:58:30,816
about closing a library and really they're trying to make up some of the costs community

2815
04:58:30,816 --> 04:58:34,420
safety personnel. You know, for the other libraries to. So those are some of the things

2816
04:58:34,420 --> 04:58:41,200
that they're balancing. my my question, my next question is about.

2817
04:58:46,164 --> 04:58:54,573
>> Fees for using the community spaces like what do we have fees and our reach

2818
04:58:54,573 --> 04:59:02,373
asking for different fees not processed for profit from >> county resident. Yeah, I

2819
04:59:04,116 --> 04:59:09,654
would charge yes. >> Madam Chair commissioner, we are not charging any fees

2820
04:59:09,654 --> 04:59:17,863
for any uses at any of buildings. It is absolutely free. We only allow nonprofit

2821
04:59:17,863 --> 04:59:24,690
partners and community gatherings to hr. There. We don't allow celebrations

2822
04:59:24,690 --> 04:59:30,209
either. Right. So so like yu and a group of your neighbors wanted to meet and and have 8

2823
04:59:30,209 --> 04:59:35,814
hour meeting at one of our libraries. You very well can reserve a room in a space for

2824
04:59:35,814 --> 04:59:42,287
that. But but we do not commercial activity in our buildings. We at this moment

2825
04:59:42,287 --> 04:59:47,559
we are not charging any I believe maybe 2 decades ao. We may have charge fees and

2826
04:59:47,559 --> 04:59:54,433
they got very confusing for the public to understand what was a likely Well, it's not a

2827
04:59:54,433 --> 04:59:59,704
library program, although I believe a Paul Public Library system does have a a charge

2828
04:59:59,704 --> 05:00:08,104
edge. Yes, yes, they do. >> OK, thank you. It's a moment. yeah, we commissioner

2829
05:00:10,736 --> 05:00:19,136
with country ten Genesee. And case, I mean, the movement may tree. Maguire get

2830
05:00:21,280 --> 05:00:27,553
>> Awesome. Thank you. Madam Chair, little question. Going back to law. Permitting apply

2831
05:00:27,553 --> 05:00:32,492
that where we're highlighting the effort to to make sure vote totals purchase, reflect

2832
05:00:32,492 --> 05:00:40,292
the communities that we're serving out of curiosity out of those diverse materials.

2833
05:00:42,301 --> 05:00:48,400
How many of them are from local on the roads or >> on Do we track it all? How

2834
05:00:48,400 --> 05:00:52,178
many are all local to Minnesota? >> Madam Chair Commissioner,

2835
05:00:52,178 --> 05:00:59,852
unfortunately, we do not track We are very for any material that is fire boat, people of

2836
05:00:59,852 --> 05:01:08,252
color. And so we do purchase locally. We partner with local authors booksellers and

2837
05:01:08,795 --> 05:01:13,265
publishers locally. And then we also have a very expansive wide reach to ensure that

2838
05:01:13,265 --> 05:01:20,465
we're covering as many basis. We can. >> why? Thank you. Thank you.

2839
05:01:22,141 --> 05:01:26,946
Madam Chair, my colleagues such good questions trying to still mine is. Well, first of

2840
05:01:26,946 --> 05:01:35,354
all, do again. Thank you so much pain. Ad and just so appreciate the work that

2841
05:01:35,354 --> 05:01:42,428
you're doing it. The libraries are as many of departments and entities are. just that.

2842
05:01:42,428 --> 05:01:47,100
Transitioning all the time to be the best that we can be provide services that are

2843
05:01:47,100 --> 05:01:51,360
residents most need. So thank you. And I've been lucky to survive also which is our

2844
05:01:51,360 --> 05:01:56,776
regional library system side. I get to hear a lot of the good things that we are doing

2845
05:01:56,776 --> 05:02:02,715
and hear things that other drivers are doing. So and I appreciate your that

2846
05:02:02,715 --> 05:02:10,189
involvement and also as well as it. It helps me. >> I appreciate all so that as

2847
05:02:10,189 --> 05:02:14,794
much as possible and it's really hard to do because it's just easier to say that.

2848
05:02:14,794 --> 05:02:20,800
>> Roast alive or to say the live or in these are all Ramsey County libraries. And I

2849
05:02:20,800 --> 05:02:22,868
you know, I always want to educate people about what libraries do versus what

2850
05:02:22,868 --> 05:02:28,941
cities do. So I want to make sure that that wrote the library in Roseville is Ramsey

2851
05:02:28,941 --> 05:02:35,481
County library and that we don't give a lot credit for that. But it's a great live or

2852
05:02:35,481 --> 05:02:40,152
is my home use it since I was growing up and it's a very busy library, as you know. I

2853
05:02:40,152 --> 05:02:46,892
have a question about room usage as well, because I don't even try to get at a study

2854
05:02:46,892 --> 05:02:52,165
room anymore. If I wanted to have a small meeting in a statement never available. And

2855
05:02:52,165 --> 05:02:57,636
do you limits on link to our limits? Ae can someone asked before? But and I think I know

2856
05:02:57,636 --> 05:03:03,375
the answer someone come in and just use it all day. And I think that maybe there's a

2857
05:03:03,375 --> 05:03:08,514
two-hour limit thinking back to my college days when you can only use study for 2

2858
05:03:08,514 --> 05:03:14,319
hours, you know. So just curious about that. >> Madam Chair Commission

2859
05:03:14,319 --> 05:03:17,256
before it really depends on what room you're talking First, second rounds of

2860
05:03:17,256 --> 05:03:23,329
depending on which lbrary go to it might be to our limitation of it for hours no

2861
05:03:23,329 --> 05:03:27,660
one's waiting. like we allow you to see quite a bit longer in terms of our meeting rooms

2862
05:03:27,660 --> 05:03:34,607
that you have to reserve you can reserve them for the whole day. And our limitation is

2863
05:03:34,607 --> 05:03:38,745
actually that you can not reserve any more than 2. You cannot make any more than 2

2864
05:03:38,745 --> 05:03:42,415
reservations within a month. And then you can make a reservation 60 days in

2865
05:03:42,415 --> 05:03:48,415
advance. >> some individuals and have become very savvy with the

2866
05:03:49,422 --> 05:03:57,960
being able t reserve the literally the day that room becomes available. And we do

2867
05:03:57,960 --> 05:04:01,166
not restrict people in terms of time. Some of our nonprofit partners that don't have the

2868
05:04:01,166 --> 05:04:06,380
space to have full team gatherings do com and reserve the space for the full day as

2869
05:04:06,380 --> 05:04:13,245
a part of like. You some of the nonprofit work that they do. And so we want to make

2870
05:04:13,245 --> 05:04:18,317
sure that we're allowing for that to happen to And I appreciate that. our community

2871
05:04:18,317 --> 05:04:22,988
loves these this availability and I really do appreciate it. And then.

2872
05:04:22,988 --> 05:04:26,992
>> legs sort of that we don't charge that doesn't allow access to everybody.

2873
05:04:26,992 --> 05:04:32,198
>> And we also need to be sensitive. you know, the cost us, too. So I know that that's

2874
05:04:32,198 --> 05:04:38,937
in your mix all the time. Ido have a question. We do charge for copies and for 3 D

2875
05:04:38,937 --> 05:04:43,875
printers. So do we charge for that? Madam Chair commissioner, we do charge for

2876
05:04:43,875 --> 05:04:51,675
copies. It is honor system for printing. >> And And so I believe it's

2877
05:04:52,685 --> 05:04:57,823
$0.20 for black and white. $0.75 for color copies in terms of our 3 D printing. I'm

2878
05:04:57,823 --> 05:05:01,827
going to have to get back to you on that. Although it is well loved and well utilize.

2879
05:05:01,827 --> 05:05:06,565
There's some really cool stuff that comes out of I have to know that and I know a lot of

2880
05:05:06,565 --> 05:05:11,369
people really love to use it. I'm not supposed to. >> Charging a bit for that I

2881
05:05:11,369 --> 05:05:15,508
think that that just goes along happiness. tat's a pretty good deal for Kathy,

2882
05:05:15,508 --> 05:05:25,508
70. Just sy it. and I'm hoping that you do look at at the charge 3 D printing items.

2883
05:05:27,520 --> 05:05:29,988
>> also the mailing versus virtual notices and very conscious of this. You know,

2884
05:05:29,988 --> 05:05:34,993
when you have seniors in your community that really want hard copies, you know, I do a

2885
05:05:34,993 --> 05:05:39,799
virtual newsletter. So, you know, they they we do have a couple people that we print it

2886
05:05:39,799 --> 05:05:45,937
out for either hand, deliver it or mail in which Larry, you know, and so I will. And now

2887
05:05:45,937 --> 05:05:52,537
so I will say that. >> Because they've asked us so nicely.

2888
05:05:54,130 --> 05:05:58,884
>> But we Iapreciate that. You're trying to million more. And I would say that a good.

2889
05:05:58,884 --> 05:06:04,156
>> Meeting point is that you just print out copies have an adult libraries. You know, I

2890
05:06:04,156 --> 05:06:09,628
mean, just happen. Hard copy notices when they can pick them up because they can get

2891
05:06:09,628 --> 05:06:16,235
to libraries and things. So I'm just saying I'm glad we're trying to find a place where

2892
05:06:16,235 --> 05:06:21,440
we don't have to spend so much money mailing things out in that we maybe just have hard

2893
05:06:21,440 --> 05:06:25,111
copies available for people that we the cunty people heard me. Yes account as a

2894
05:06:25,111 --> 05:06:29,648
county I think you said that. >> You have a whole mailing list of people that still want

2895
05:06:29,648 --> 05:06:37,792
to get. Heart happy. So you're printing and mailing. >> Yes. Some of our patrons

2896
05:06:37,792 --> 05:06:44,992
and ivory users to mail home notices >> we will likely be keeping

2897
05:06:45,933 --> 05:06:54,933
tiny of that. To your point, which is around accessibility. >> We do have. they cannot

2898
05:06:55,943 --> 05:06:59,146
access the library. And this has certified either by a medical professional or their

2899
05:06:59,146 --> 05:07:04,951
current housing situation, etc. And so in those situations, we want to

2900
05:07:04,951 --> 05:07:07,955
continue to provide notices to them. If this is the only way that they can be seen so that

2901
05:07:07,955 --> 05:07:15,363
they know that and item that we have sent to them. They need to also sent back to us.

2902
05:07:15,363 --> 05:07:21,702
>> I to everyone that we can be. And I appreciate that. I'm just curious is that 10% of

2903
05:07:21,702 --> 05:07:26,106
that the same boat as it register for Ramsey County Library cards. Do you know how

2904
05:07:26,106 --> 05:07:34,448
many percentage Benton County of those registered for Saint Paul Hart. And I sort of

2905
05:07:34,448 --> 05:07:39,253
thought they were interchangeable. But clearly they're not. And you just

2906
05:07:39,253 --> 05:07:43,858
explain tat one more Madam Chair, commissioner out, I do not have that information.

2907
05:07:43,858 --> 05:07:48,929
Population of Saint Paul is around 333,000. >> We have about 10%. So about

2908
05:07:48,929 --> 05:07:54,929
30, 30,033 1000 of the Saint, residents registered suburban Atlanta County Highway System.

2909
05:07:57,337 --> 05:07:59,730
Yes, enemy. >> You know, and and I know that our library carts are

2910
05:07:59,730 --> 05:08:04,879
available and all the 7 county, I mean, we can. To use a library cards in the other

2911
05:08:04,879 --> 05:08:08,482
counties or do we have to get a card? They're forget. Madam Chair Commissioners, you can

2912
05:08:08,482 --> 05:08:12,886
take your library card to any of the >> metro area. Light

2913
05:08:12,886 --> 05:08:16,957
resistance and register your live record there to utilize resources.

2914
05:08:16,957 --> 05:08:20,894
>> Maybe Dakota County has a cooler 3 D printer than ours. I don't know. I would say ours

2915
05:08:20,894 --> 05:08:25,298
is critical, but then you should be able to utilize all the resources and supports

2916
05:08:25,298 --> 05:08:31,705
anywhere else. And the one really great thing about being a part of the most. The

2917
05:08:31,705 --> 05:08:35,776
consortium is actually that if you are a sinkhole resident and you wanted to get your

2918
05:08:35,776 --> 05:08:41,649
first card in Ramsey County. What we what we do have is like an interchangeable like

2919
05:08:41,649 --> 05:08:46,386
LeBron partisan. So you'll get a temporary ivory card and then we'll let sinkhole know.

2920
05:08:46,386 --> 05:08:51,458
And that's Powell sent your actual library card or you make a

2921
05:08:51,458 --> 05:08:57,732
>> really appreciate that. Ordination learning from each other and everything. And that

2922
05:08:57,732 --> 05:09:03,671
that's commendable. So great job on that. I will say that other libraries are doing

2923
05:09:03,671 --> 05:09:05,939
really don't amazing things. And I'm not sure we could ever do this. But like I think is

2924
05:09:05,939 --> 05:09:11,145
to go to county. They're allowing people to get access to their libraries at all

2925
05:09:11,145 --> 05:09:17,551
hours like when there's no staff and every net army, not ours, all related, just from

2926
05:09:17,551 --> 05:09:23,624
one to It's a crtain time frame. to read it. >> Okay. Is it just certain

2927
05:09:23,624 --> 05:09:27,761
hours like till midnight or I thought that just few Is it just a few before in a few

2928
05:09:27,761 --> 05:09:32,320
hours after okay, okay. Good. I heard it differently. But that's good to know because,

2929
05:09:32,320 --> 05:09:38,638
yeah, that's really. And just like. But I think we're just learning understanding why and

2930
05:09:38,638 --> 05:09:45,378
what other libraries are trying to do to to serve their residents. And so just just

2931
05:09:45,378 --> 05:09:50,584
curious is a couple more things manager, because this is also fascinating to me I

2932
05:09:50,584 --> 05:09:54,588
love I love my library of things. You just explain what that is because I think it's

2933
05:09:54,588 --> 05:09:59,388
so >> Madam Chair, Commissioner Library, Things is a

2934
05:10:01,127 --> 05:10:08,868
collection of non book DVD or CD Materials. And you can come in check out of markers. If

2935
05:10:08,868 --> 05:10:12,605
you have a meeting and you don't want to buy a ton of markers fr a meeting or if

2936
05:10:12,605 --> 05:10:20,147
you wanted to check out handful of yard games. But you don't have the grass these for

2937
05:10:20,147 --> 05:10:23,483
it or you want to check there's a wide variety of things in our library of

2938
05:10:23,483 --> 05:10:27,210
things that if you wanted muffin tin cans that you despise, storing them in your

2939
05:10:27,210 --> 05:10:33,360
kitchen. Only use it during the winter anyways for holiday gatherings. You can come to

2940
05:10:33,360 --> 05:10:40,567
the library. Check out that my intent and then return it back when done using and wide wrath

2941
05:10:40,567 --> 05:10:50,310
of items that we have as a part of our library, things. >> I know you do everything in

2942
05:10:50,310 --> 05:10:55,916
in our community, love fibers, from all the things that you do. I really appreciate county

2943
05:10:55,916 --> 05:11:02,322
mayor talking and you working on, you know, Andy Coley location of services for ay

2944
05:11:02,322 --> 05:11:05,258
of the things you know, establish well, bookmobile safe all the time. We may do.

2945
05:11:05,258 --> 05:11:10,731
But, you know, we have live or I think we have abook shelves that are service senator in

2946
05:11:10,731 --> 05:11:13,333
Maplewood or, you know, I mean, I know that the libraries, maybe that was just

2947
05:11:13,333 --> 05:11:16,804
when the library and people would was under construction. But, you know, all the things

2948
05:11:16,804 --> 05:11:20,941
that you're looking at to really serve our residents, I think is really great. So

2949
05:11:20,941 --> 05:11:25,813
thank you. Thank you for that. last, Madam Chair, I do want to say thanks to the fence

2950
05:11:25,813 --> 05:11:29,950
event, County libraries, the friends. All right. Great group. They are amazing.

2951
05:11:29,950 --> 05:11:36,490
Recent raising money all the time. Resources for our library system and just thanks

2952
05:11:36,490 --> 05:11:41,828
so much to to them and their work and to the many committee members that are part of that

2953
05:11:41,828 --> 05:11:49,836
for a partnership. And thank for coming. For clarity. >> As a Saint Paul resident,

2954
05:11:49,836 --> 05:11:58,236
can I use my Saint Paul Library Ramsey County Mary. >> Madam Chair, please. say

2955
05:11:58,779 --> 05:12:04,451
poll. I regard over if you don't have and we'll get you >> And so you're giving

2956
05:12:04,451 --> 05:12:09,560
register, means I can no longer use my Saint Paul. Okay.

2957
05:12:09,560 --> 05:12:15,195
>> So Madam Chair, you can you can take your state PA live her and then use that as your

2958
05:12:15,195 --> 05:12:18,866
one-year prison library card at wouldn't need to carry around a library card just be

2959
05:12:18,866 --> 05:12:23,536
the one. >> Thank Just >> And I just want to say I

2960
05:12:23,536 --> 05:12:30,277
appreciate honor system for the for the copier, you know, because sometimes people

2961
05:12:30,277 --> 05:12:33,747
looking for a job, need to do a copy think just need to do. It may not have even Sunday,

2962
05:12:33,747 --> 05:12:39,886
$0.5 or a dollar. So I appreciate honor system you have or, you know, would you

2963
05:12:39,886 --> 05:12:48,762
say no, someone didn't have. Money to pay for coffee. >> here we don't really on. He

2964
05:12:48,762 --> 05:12:54,340
wanted ties on honor system box all the time. And so if an individual ended up walking

2965
05:12:54,340 --> 05:12:57,115
away with Prince, unfortunately, like we've since we're not tracking it,

2966
05:12:57,115 --> 05:13:01,452
we're not going to be able although there are situations in which we do say, hey, you

2967
05:13:01,452 --> 05:13:07,925
know what? You're looking, you're interviewing for a job. This is a resume or this is an

2968
05:13:07,925 --> 05:13:12,796
extremely important case, said that you need to submit to. Ramsey County. go ahead and

2969
05:13:12,796 --> 05:13:20,596
take a print. Yousef. >> People taking DVD's. Madam Chair. Yes, people are still

2970
05:13:23,340 --> 05:13:29,940
checking out the View. >> still still >> All right. That's it for

2971
05:13:32,350 --> 05:13:40,691
me. Commissioner Jeff and My guess is that an year in year a library of things. You have

2972
05:13:40,691 --> 05:13:45,963
both DVD's and the DVD player. >> Madam Commissioner, you can we actually have DVD players

2973
05:13:45,963 --> 05:13:51,769
like right. so if you wanted to check it out, I don't. I'm not sure if it's not a part of

2974
05:13:51,769 --> 05:13:56,908
our lives. I think. >> But I do know that if you checked out a DVD and you're

2975
05:13:56,908 --> 05:14:02,913
like, I want to watch right now in the library, you can ask for it to square and give

2976
05:14:02,913 --> 05:14:08,520
you want and you could make it into a pblic computer watch the OK? That's impressive.

2977
05:14:08,520 --> 05:14:15,326
>> I the question I have is along the lines of this conversation aound reviewing

2978
05:14:15,326 --> 05:14:22,133
our our physical spaces within the libraries reviewing and I love how you're decipher ring

2979
05:14:22,133 --> 05:14:28,720
out. The different populations that are using the library's different ways. And then

2980
05:14:28,720 --> 05:14:31,609
library renovations and different locations look differently because of the

2981
05:14:31,609 --> 05:14:38,816
needs of that community. And one of the things that that I been part of a number of

2982
05:14:38,816 --> 05:14:42,754
conversations in throughout the different of the communities we have our

2983
05:14:42,754 --> 05:14:46,623
libraries it in the northern suburbs. And I have to say that there's a lot of

2984
05:14:46,623 --> 05:14:53,898
conversation around in a local food shelves. Other providers to the community center, the

2985
05:14:53,898 --> 05:14:58,350
the library itself, local school districts, things where there may be adult education

2986
05:14:58,350 --> 05:15:05,235
or other other programs. Early things were. They're already co-locating within community

2987
05:15:05,575 --> 05:15:11,470
outside of school buildings themselves are specifically outside of City Hall. And so I

2988
05:15:11,470 --> 05:15:14,452
know that there are a number of different conversations and they're gonna look unique in

2989
05:15:14,452 --> 05:15:20,324
every community. But one of the things that I really appreciate this, it seems as

2990
05:15:20,324 --> 05:15:23,727
you're collecting the data and having the conversations with those partners and with

2991
05:15:23,727 --> 05:15:30,000
community to have a very strategic look and one like, oh, we physically lay out our

2992
05:15:30,000 --> 05:15:35,272
libraries to meet the current need. So if we're hearing that there are a lot of people

2993
05:15:35,272 --> 05:15:40,811
using the library's as a public 3rd space, whether that's for personal reasons,

2994
05:15:40,811 --> 05:15:44,948
study reasons, professional reasons that are commercial but still like part of their

2995
05:15:44,948 --> 05:15:49,860
own taking a call are doing, you know, co-locating outside of their home or something

2996
05:15:49,860 --> 05:15:54,758
like that. And that's different than half of the materials are children and

2997
05:15:54,758 --> 05:16:00,164
family base. Like do we physically set up the spaces in a way that recognizes that

2998
05:16:00,164 --> 05:16:05,102
somebody might just be coming in looking for a quiet place to take their call. It doesn't

2999
05:16:05,102 --> 05:16:09,573
necessarily have to troops through chapter than story. Time to get to that fact.

3000
05:16:09,573 --> 05:16:13,844
Kiosks, right? Or if we're thinking about having extended hours for people to have Wi-Fi

3001
05:16:13,844 --> 05:16:19,316
access or for worrying about to be have enough staff to cover every corner of the

3002
05:16:19,316 --> 05:16:26,123
library. Can you stage open and close to say like? Material are our aisles are

3003
05:16:26,123 --> 05:16:30,261
closed. But the library service area where you have meetings and other kind of

3004
05:16:30,261 --> 05:16:32,596
things are still open. I mean, I just heard different conversations different

3005
05:16:32,596 --> 05:16:40,204
iterations of this along with the idea of how are we co-locating in these other

3006
05:16:40,204 --> 05:16:45,750
public spaces? So it could be that there are times when we are staffing, some of those

3007
05:16:45,750 --> 05:16:51,148
3rd spaces and maybe we're sharing nighttime staffing when again, maybe the stacks

3008
05:16:51,148 --> 05:16:54,752
are closed. But the spaces for business use a separate openly. I think I think these

3009
05:16:54,752 --> 05:16:59,289
are conversations we really need to encourage with with our partners. The other thing

3010
05:16:59,289 --> 05:17:05,696
that I was thinking about having been part of the community center for older

3011
05:17:05,696 --> 05:17:10,568
adults. One of the things that was really a I saw what happened when we had a social

3012
05:17:10,568 --> 05:17:20,168
worker on staff and when that when that position was no longer support and to the

3013
05:17:21,111 --> 05:17:26,583
question of there are lots of people who are in the position of being and expect not

3014
05:17:26,583 --> 05:17:30,454
unexpectedly, but more regularly countering a situation whether there is the

3015
05:17:30,454 --> 05:17:35,590
county assessor's office or the library where they're in countering somebody who needs

3016
05:17:35,590 --> 05:17:38,396
more than that person's job title, no matter how awesome they are with customer service

3017
05:17:38,396 --> 05:17:48,396
can handle. Do we have? kind on staff like a navigator or social wrk or or somebody who

3018
05:17:48,806 --> 05:17:52,943
staff have a warm line, too. So it's not a public number that anybody in the world can

3019
05:17:52,943 --> 05:17:58,416
call anytime. But if a county assessor comes into a house and they think this would be a

3020
05:17:58,416 --> 05:18:02,152
situation I have, I'm having a really productive conversation. But it's gone

3021
05:18:02,152 --> 05:18:07,240
beyond my skill set. And I want to take advantage of this person's connection to the

3022
05:18:07,240 --> 05:18:12,960
county. Warm hand them off to the next step or somebody at the front desk have more those

3023
05:18:12,960 --> 05:18:18,102
housing navigator, questions that rose be on. Here's the number to call. Do we have a

3024
05:18:18,102 --> 05:18:24,241
warm line for somebody to call that would be a staff to staffer for all. Madam Chair

3025
05:18:24,241 --> 05:18:29,641
Commissioner. I really appreciate how >> library staff have reached

3026
05:18:33,183 --> 05:18:38,188
out to other departments when necessary. We have benefited greatly from previously

3027
05:18:38,188 --> 05:18:44,788
partnering with a service centers service centers in 2020 2021. Were at all

3028
05:18:46,530 --> 05:18:54,330
regionals, Roseville, sure view and lead. even though >> service center no longer is

3029
05:18:54,672 --> 05:19:00,343
over at the shore of the library. Those relationships were maintained. And so my

3030
05:19:00,343 --> 05:19:08,143
understanding is that when there a family that was experiencing on. And stable

3031
05:19:08,618 --> 05:19:14,425
housing and also had on stable food resources. The staff short of you reached out

3032
05:19:14,425 --> 05:19:20,698
directly to the public health nurse that still that that worked previously at. Its

3033
05:19:20,698 --> 05:19:28,245
review. And so I hope that some of those ties remain. And as we continue to partner such

3034
05:19:28,245 --> 05:19:36,253
as like one number, lake. Nurses come in with all the parents and everything like

3035
05:19:36,253 --> 05:19:41,570
those. Those are strong relationships that I hope that we continue to maintain and so

3036
05:19:41,570 --> 05:19:43,727
that if we don't have that warm handoff, we're hoping that one of our resources are

3037
05:19:43,727 --> 05:19:48,466
networks also has that connection that would provide us the resources to get to

3038
05:19:48,466 --> 05:19:57,408
what we need. Well, and in in all just kind of go further on and say that

3039
05:19:57,408 --> 05:20:01,211
>> happy that over the years the librarians have representation to serve every

3040
05:20:01,211 --> 05:20:03,346
man's the family collaboratives collective table. And there's a weekly

3041
05:20:03,346 --> 05:20:11,222
call of service providers who get together because it's always a changing set of of of

3042
05:20:11,222 --> 05:20:16,894
faces and needs and resources that are available serve really is that constant

3043
05:20:16,894 --> 05:20:21,432
communication. That above what we can expect a library and even a very invested one to be

3044
05:20:21,432 --> 05:20:25,703
able to keep up with. I'm just wondering like what resources do we have collectively to the

3045
05:20:25,703 --> 05:20:33,243
library is itself a safe who would be if I if I'm 3 months into, you know, my site and I

3046
05:20:33,243 --> 05:20:38,249
don't have that history of for those relationship buildings. What's the hotline on my desk

3047
05:20:38,249 --> 05:20:40,718
that says, here's the place to start your productive conversation to getting Sunday

3048
05:20:40,718 --> 05:20:47,591
connected. The right person and the counts. >> I can cause of takes Madam

3049
05:20:47,591 --> 05:20:49,660
Chair, Commissioner Munsing. I think this is an opportunity like really that front door of

3050
05:20:49,660 --> 05:20:53,597
the county is a service center. So I just encourage Director Yang when you have

3051
05:20:53,597 --> 05:20:57,133
your next conversation with Director Ali, that just have that conversation and see if

3052
05:20:57,133 --> 05:21:02,940
there's maybe a point in time where there's a faster team scholar, something that we can

3053
05:21:02,940 --> 05:21:05,609
do to make sure those service center the navigators. And then I've always just

3054
05:21:05,609 --> 05:21:11,748
encouraging part of like front facing customer training. I appreciate same Com's was

3055
05:21:11,748 --> 05:21:16,860
saying around the asked the escalation training and those things to like the people who

3056
05:21:16,860 --> 05:21:23,960
are front facing need to know a certain some sort portfolio of information. And I've

3057
05:21:23,960 --> 05:21:28,165
talked to Hro Ferguson a little bit about that. You know, we think about summons.

3058
05:21:28,165 --> 05:21:34,438
training lifecycle. They need to know things county employee in general like we have

3059
05:21:34,438 --> 05:21:36,372
inclusive workplace pass. You know, those things that everyone needs to know. You

3060
05:21:36,372 --> 05:21:41,511
have some things you need to know about your very specific job, like how you turn on

3061
05:21:41,511 --> 05:21:45,315
whatever how you have your policies and procedures, whatever that job is. But then

3062
05:21:45,315 --> 05:21:47,918
there's just some things you should know because you are a category of an employee in

3063
05:21:47,918 --> 05:21:54,518
that category would be resident facing person and that could include

3064
05:21:54,725 --> 05:21:58,796
de-escalation training. It could include connecting residents to resources. So

3065
05:21:58,796 --> 05:22:03,467
let's keep building on that. I think I think it is those layers of training that we

3066
05:22:03,467 --> 05:22:07,604
need to build in because it doesn't matter. Actually. What if it's the service center

3067
05:22:07,604 --> 05:22:11,141
library, the Environmental Center, like like people can come in in their state of need

3068
05:22:11,141 --> 05:22:16,880
to the county at any moment. So if you're resident facing, you should have, you know

3069
05:22:16,880 --> 05:22:20,484
those things and resources at your fingertips if that makes So we'll work on that. That's

3070
05:22:20,484 --> 05:22:24,621
great. That's part of the holistic strategic priority that we have. So I think we

3071
05:22:24,621 --> 05:22:29,292
can do that. >> And then I that I was from the follow up to them. And a

3072
05:22:29,292 --> 05:22:34,310
smaller thing is I know we've had some conversations around the the study Carroll's the

3073
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meeting rooms and reservations and try and all of those things and and fees and things

3074
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like that in. >> I know I said this last time when we're in budget just

3075
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throw those again. I don't think it has to be an on or off, you know, Binary toggle.

3076
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The idea we have multiple rooms and let study hangs. I think in my guess is we can

3077
05:22:52,316 --> 05:22:59,255
still have no business activity policy and have you know, 20% of the rooms that

3078
05:22:59,255 --> 05:23:03,193
you are fee-based reservations so that you can collect a little bit of money. And if

3079
05:23:03,193 --> 05:23:08,732
somebody does have that very important nonprofit community activity like you're going to

3080
05:23:08,732 --> 05:23:11,535
have it for 8 hours, will maybe it's $10 an hour do with that much. And it's a one-off

3081
05:23:11,535 --> 05:23:17,700
and it's still cheaper than you having this facility in. You're saying, but it doesn't

3082
05:23:17,700 --> 05:23:21,211
preclude most people being able to walk in and find a room whenever they need to.

3083
05:23:21,211 --> 05:23:24,748
But if it offset the reason why I say this is because it's it would be great if we could

3084
05:23:24,748 --> 05:23:28,840
provide all of these things without having to think of the resources behind them. But if

3085
05:23:28,840 --> 05:23:35,225
this helps to offset something like the free printing. Then it's been I mean, we have to

3086
05:23:35,225 --> 05:23:38,762
be thinking about how are we providing all of these things to the community members that

3087
05:23:38,762 --> 05:23:45,102
need them? And if there's a way to somehow charge folks, folks who it's a nice to have

3088
05:23:45,102 --> 05:23:48,104
a not a need to have capture some of that might offset some of those costs for folks where

3089
05:23:48,104 --> 05:23:53,443
it's a need to have. And we can then continue to find ways to pay for them. Something

3090
05:23:53,443 --> 05:24:00,430
consider I would support I think I am. >> allow community nonprofit

3091
05:24:02,920 --> 05:24:06,923
organization made before profit, something, you know, who can afford it? You know,

3092
05:24:06,923 --> 05:24:11,995
but to have that access to media space, too info for reason that maybe I know the

3093
05:24:11,995 --> 05:24:20,871
Rondo communities, one of the most visits, everybody is in the city. Any of new rooms,

3094
05:24:20,871 --> 05:24:24,541
but you got to get in and with your room because is just going to know.

3095
05:24:24,541 --> 05:24:29,120
>> It's going to be going to be booked because people are utilizing the space to gather

3096
05:24:29,120 --> 05:24:34,951
community. I mean, there's other ways that you need to recoup with fees I think you

3097
05:24:34,951 --> 05:24:42,493
need to be really strategic a way that needs to look like it's a public space. And I

3098
05:24:42,493 --> 05:24:45,628
think it should be available for public gathering or meetings interactions that

3099
05:24:45,628 --> 05:24:51,101
don't think. You know, because, know, it's a part staff to be equipped different

3100
05:24:51,101 --> 05:24:58,410
types tools and skills to know someone is abusing that. All right. And for that individual

3101
05:24:58,410 --> 05:25:02,245
that will welcome Senate that may be of use in it. You know, that's a conversation you need

3102
05:25:02,245 --> 05:25:07,718
to have. That needs to be end of the show. That is a public space always been welcoming

3103
05:25:07,718 --> 05:25:11,922
space is always open space for people. Couple refused. You know, back in the days when

3104
05:25:11,922 --> 05:25:17,260
parents working all day, picking up as we go to library and LeBron, there would be

3105
05:25:17,260 --> 05:25:22,198
events and activities. Some hope do things happen here. where there's a publish or

3106
05:25:22,198 --> 05:25:30,607
whatever we do these right? But those type of things are happening within our libraries

3107
05:25:30,607 --> 05:25:39,700
because they asset to communities. Across the state. so It is important to have

3108
05:25:39,883 --> 05:25:47,824
that type space available for of it based in these times when, you know, people are

3109
05:25:47,824 --> 05:25:57,424
feeling. You know, not always, you know, parents are working more than ever these days, you

3110
05:25:57,787 --> 05:26:01,925
know, to to put this to family households that working, you know, after school program, we

3111
05:26:01,925 --> 05:26:07,463
don't have many free after-school programs anymore. You know, so where do look?

3112
05:26:07,463 --> 05:26:11,935
Young people go, what do it where that's those spaces are that they can go feel safe or

3113
05:26:11,935 --> 05:26:19,750
feel some comfort. They may be some things that we need to, you have more control over the

3114
05:26:19,750 --> 05:26:25,214
space to make sure stay safe and secure. But I really like idea that it is there to serve

3115
05:26:25,214 --> 05:26:35,214
public. I really like that. He's so I went in. know what do with it. I do want to say

3116
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one and thing that I had to do for you to close it out. I was just reading in which we talk

3117
05:26:42,499 --> 05:26:49,371
about the use of library. This is the library card account. Holder have access not only to

3118
05:26:49,371 --> 05:26:57,171
Ramsey County resources, but also to materially false 48 states. You can take that

3119
05:26:59,982 --> 05:27:05,254
caught with use it right. And I just love that. Love that idea. Been able to do that.

3120
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>> Commissioner Bill Dwyer, thank you. Madam Chair. I was trying to get all my things in

3121
05:27:07,323 --> 05:27:11,594
one, but then I always think of something else. And thank you for this. And just we

3122
05:27:11,594 --> 05:27:18,468
might want to give a shout out to our advisory Board of our library whose we do a point

3123
05:27:18,468 --> 05:27:25,208
and guessing hoping that they That they are really helping, you contribute to that

3124
05:27:25,208 --> 05:27:30,790
conversations about how we are, you providing the resources that our community

3125
05:27:30,790 --> 05:27:37,860
needs and the I'm in as if you want that, you can comment on that. But and also just to say

3126
05:27:37,860 --> 05:27:44,494
that we talk about us being one door and I remember hearing this. However, said

3127
05:27:44,494 --> 05:27:49,310
was sometimes are libre's of the first place that our families experience the county

3128
05:27:49,310 --> 05:27:54,170
because they're coming to it in early childhood program or they bring their they're very

3129
05:27:54,170 --> 05:27:59,242
they're 2, 3, year-olds to come to to a library program and and I was just amazed by

3130
05:27:59,242 --> 05:28:03,980
that that sometimes it is the first time that they reached the county. And so as much as

3131
05:28:03,980 --> 05:28:10,530
we can, you know, have been connected any other services when they very first, you

3132
05:28:10,530 --> 05:28:13,560
know, reach the count, reached the county through a library, a program. So if you wanted to

3133
05:28:13,560 --> 05:28:16,659
comment on any of those things, but that's just a another tribute to the great

3134
05:28:16,659 --> 05:28:21,397
work that we're doing and to our community that are great partners with us. far as our

3135
05:28:21,397 --> 05:28:28,271
advisory board. So thank Madam Chair and Commissioner. I LIVE revise continues to meet

3136
05:28:28,271 --> 05:28:31,741
monthly and pretty regularly. They provide us feedback on our programs or policies or

3137
05:28:31,741 --> 05:28:38,341
practices and procedures. Very, vry engaging. So fantastic. Little silver to

3138
05:28:39,883 --> 05:28:44,190
them. In addition to that for a lot of New Americans, people actually think that our

3139
05:28:44,190 --> 05:28:50,619
libraries are a scam. They're like our >> 3 comply. Could like, we're

3140
05:28:53,963 --> 05:28:59,235
not kitten. >> Check out this I could take him home found marker. And you

3141
05:28:59,235 --> 05:29:07,577
could use room in. And so becomes the first point of engagement for individuals.

3142
05:29:07,577 --> 05:29:12,648
>> And communities that come from, you know, communities that don't have public

3143
05:29:12,648 --> 05:29:16,719
resources that are free, right, because they may come from a country that has public

3144
05:29:16,719 --> 05:29:21,390
resources, but you still have to pay for it. And so we have public resource that don't

3145
05:29:21,390 --> 05:29:28,732
have to pay for. And so it it is a very new and interesting concept and it. to your point,

3146
05:29:28,732 --> 05:29:34,300
strive to be a positive touch point and positive first engagement for a lot of folks.

3147
05:29:34,300 --> 05:29:44,300
>> It read in fundamental. Reading field in the and we we Some want thank you. Thank you

3148
05:29:45,681 --> 05:29:51,821
for being so insightful. I want to live here about what's happening with the librarian.

3149
05:29:51,821 --> 05:29:57,894
And how is supporting and really good work. So thank you for your leadership. Thank you

3150
05:29:57,894 --> 05:30:05,340
for your work. Thank Direct there. Yang for all that you do. And so with that, we are

3151
05:30:05,340 --> 05:30:10,906
done with our presentations for today. I want thank you to the economic growth, a

3152
05:30:10,906 --> 05:30:16,846
community meant team service team their presentations today for their commitment to

3153
05:30:16,846 --> 05:30:21,984
connecting residents to life. The routine resources like green space in books, in

3154
05:30:21,984 --> 05:30:26,322
supporting economic and community development. We appreciate had a service team

3155
05:30:26,322 --> 05:30:31,600
is stepping up to address unique challenges and fiscal pressures. For example,

3156
05:30:31,600 --> 05:30:38,260
through the building stronger together initiative. The next presentation. I'm going to

3157
05:30:39,468 --> 05:30:47,610
stop there. And Nick Perry a presentation and and direct the Commerce clause out and

3158
05:30:47,610 --> 05:30:51,480
deny was this year when next Thank you so Madam Chair. And to

3159
05:30:51,480 --> 05:30:56,953
offer the conversation and Papa by like today. >> I hpe you know what you

3160
05:30:56,953 --> 05:31:00,223
saw on the presentations is a lot of pride in the work that we provide. Ramsey County, as

3161
05:31:00,223 --> 05:31:05,895
I think about performance and we've been talking about it in the macro sense. And then

3162
05:31:05,895 --> 05:31:09,699
there's also performance on the individual basis and >> all of the directors and,

3163
05:31:09,699 --> 05:31:16,506
you know, all the leaders in Ramsey County are high performing. As you think about

3164
05:31:16,506 --> 05:31:24,914
the 40, 50, 60 hours a week that they put in this is their life, right? They have

3165
05:31:24,914 --> 05:31:32,540
families and friends certainly. But this this is huge, huge part of their life

3166
05:31:32,540 --> 05:31:36,659
And and >> do meeting for work and to do it well, you know, they

3167
05:31:36,659 --> 05:31:40,396
take these performance measures seriously because it is their day to day. And so I

3168
05:31:40,396 --> 05:31:46,602
thank them for that. With that said, you know, I think about oftentimes you see them in

3169
05:31:46,602 --> 05:31:51,730
these presentation capacities and they're like that's on the water, but their their feet.

3170
05:31:51,730 --> 05:31:56,679
they're they're they're just pulling pulling pedaling. >> They carry a lot with them.

3171
05:31:56,679 --> 05:32:01,217
But we sometimes don't sit and acknowledge that. >> Performance and or services

3172
05:32:01,217 --> 05:32:09,240
can sometimes be impacted by loss and our service team has lost some colleagues over this

3173
05:32:09,240 --> 05:32:14,105
last year. >> Erica Redden, sure, library manager and Wite Eagle in

3174
05:32:14,105 --> 05:32:18,110
parks and last week Joylyn questioned the public works program to fill program

3175
05:32:18,110 --> 05:32:23,581
delivery area. As an engineer, many of these folks have worked with their colleagues

3176
05:32:23,581 --> 05:32:30,521
for decades and to then carry forward and to pick up each day to keep the work going.

3177
05:32:30,521 --> 05:32:37,195
When you see that empty desk, it's hard and I and so we lose our colleagues moves, friends

3178
05:32:37,195 --> 05:32:42,668
and family. But the work continues because this is important work and I'm just so

3179
05:32:42,668 --> 05:32:45,403
impressed by professionalism and the per high high performance of the leaders

3180
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today. So thank you for the time. Appreciate it. Thank you so much.

3181
05:32:50,408 --> 05:32:56,882
>> So the next presentation would September. The tense from 9 to 4 the safety Justice

3182
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Service team will present their performance measures. as a reminder, we encourage

3183
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public participation in the budget process. You can participate by attending the

3184
05:33:05,223 --> 05:33:09,561
public hearing, contacting your commissioner or submitting a written consent.

3185
05:33:09,561 --> 05:33:14,966
A written comment to the chief clerk instructions on how to participate in a full schedule

3186
05:33:14,966 --> 05:33:22,766
of upcoming meetings. His posts posted on budget and finance page. Ramsey County

3187
05:33:22,908 --> 05:33:26,440
website. Thank you all for being here. Thank you for spending your time with we are

3188
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adjourned. ? ?

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? ?