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that expands call for all through our community driven subcommittee and with

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financial support from a micro grant, we received from Ramsey County Youth Violence

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community dinners. And that's a response directly from the community feedback that these

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gatherings are deeply missed. Restorative practice framework to help families access

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healing, pathways before a crisis escalates. And then today in-person trained the

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trainer program recruiting community stakeholders and community champions in healing

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circles were the final 2 community dinners would feature healing circles

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facilitated by those newly trained community healers. The impact of these private of

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these programs is not abstract. They directly strengthen our ability to

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deliver timely, high-quality emergency communications services, but elevating the

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community voices and expanding access to resources. Next, I want to walk you through a

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performance measure. That is the cornerstone of operational excellence and reflects the

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collective effort of our entire team, which is how quickly we answer 9-1-1.

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Calls. National standards guide this work, both a national emergency number

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association nena and the National Fire Protection Association Nfpa. Recommend

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that 95% of all 9-1-1, calls be answered within 15 seconds and rquire that 99% be

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answered within 40 seconds. These benchmarks apply to every public safety answering

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point in the country. In 2024, we strengthen our reporting by implementing more accurate and

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consistent method for analyzing call handling data. We re calculated our

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historical numbers including 2023 using this prove methodology. From this point

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forward. All of our reporting that uses this data approach, giving us a clearer and more

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reliable picture of the performance over time. A you know, staffing levels directly

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influence our ability to meet the standards. Our staff manage high stress, often

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traumatic calls and they frequently work mandated overtime. With recent

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Minnesota law changes to include Neil breaks earned sick and safe time and paid

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family and medical leave. They have only intensified this pressure on Making it even

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more challenging to maintain the staffing levels necessary to be operational standards.

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These pressures can contribute to burnout and turnover, which in turn may affect call answer

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times. Our overall turnover rate in 2025. Was 28.5% and we're trending around 17.6%

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this year. We anticipate that number 2 role, but we are trending lower than we did in

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2025. The majority of our turnover is within the first year of employment through

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probationary terminations, which each termination is discussed with our labor

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manager. He would resources and attorney partners or we see resignations for personal

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reasons such is moving choosing a different career path or once they start the

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training, they realized the job. more difficult than what they thought. We continually

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strive to make meaningful progress by investing wellness initiatives, like Creative Cup

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on ya, into our budget, which previously was funded by American Rescue Plan Act fund

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dollars. In 2027. They will continue to provide monthly on-site support for employees

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dealing with trauma related stress or personal mental health challenges. They also

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provide up to 10 off-site sessions. That is in addition to the county's the AP

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program. We also have an internal pair support team which receives ongoing

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training to support staff before during and after difficult calls. Additionally,

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our Empower you initiative is helping strengthen our organizational culture. This

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work aligns directly with the county's strategic priority of operational Excellence. It

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includes an ordination organization, White check in survey in-person all staff

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focus groups leadership retreat. All designed to help us understand where we've

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been, where we are now and where we want to go as an organization. The result will

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be a collaborative leash, a plan that reflects the collective wisdom and lived

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experience of our staff. I also want to thank the board for supporting our class and

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calm port. That support has helped us retain existing staff and remain competitive

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as a county where people want to work. I want to emphasize that this work is far more

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about leading a national standard. It's about building a system that serves people

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when they need us. The most. That's why we're also investing in technology that

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supports our staff and improves the cholera experience. With new funding

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received in 2027. We're implementing tools that will help us process calls more

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efficiently. One of the most significant advance fence is the development of emergency

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call handling automation or it's a conversational agent AI designed to manage non

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emergency calls. Actually make sure I'm really clear only non emergency calls. It is not

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9-1-1. Calls. In 2025. 47 1% of all incoming calls came through our non-emergency

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lines. At least 11% of that was more than 36,000 calls were direct transfers to other

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departments for information requests. Report follow-ups inquiries about the jail

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warrants. Courts fingerprinting property room, gun permits, animal control

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and other non urgent needs. These calls matter, but they consume valuable time and

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resources that could be directed towards critical instance. Naicco will help

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reduce hold times free up. Call takers to focus on emergencies requiring

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judgment, empathy and critical thinking. And help us build Help us better manage high

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call. Volumes of non-emergency calls. This is not about replacing people are doing

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more with fewer people. It's about supporting our existing staff, reducing burnout and

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improving the quality of service that we provide. All of these efforts, wellness,

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training, culture, technology come together to support one ball. One goal answering 9 law

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9-1-1, calls quickly consistently and with the highest level of care for

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Ramsey County. Next, I want to highlight a performance measure that reflects our one

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Ramsey County approach to justice transformation. The percentage of person in crisis

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calls supported through the appropriate response initiative. This is a key

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indicator of how effectively we're connecting people to the right kind of help. As you

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heard during county manager Becker's budget hearing, we are now operational icing.

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This work within ECC operations in 2027. And as part of the supplemental

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budget. leading air, I from concept into a fully functioning program. This

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shift marks a significant step forward But, you know, treated response strategies directly

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into our emergency communications system. I want to pause and acknowledge the

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board's continued commitment to advance this work. Your support is it enables us to

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meet people in crisis with the right response at the right time. And it's making a

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measurable difference in our community. person in crisis calls make up a small but

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incredibly important portion of our overall call volume. About 1.3% of all calls in the

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center are categorized as person crisis call types. That equates to a little over 9.

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9,300 calls o which 62% were handled by one of the 3 specialized teams in 2025.

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Embedded social workers, public health responders and the mental health crisis

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response team. Each of these teams bring trauma, informed expertise and the ability to

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tailor support to the unique needs of the color. They help stabilize situations, connect

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residents to services and reduce the likelihood escalation or unnecessary

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justice system involvement. Person in crisis call types. Directly reflect how often

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mental health live responses and interventions are needed. It recognizes the impact.

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Alternative responses have and community calls for trauma informed and harm reduction

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care. This is what justice transformation looks like in practice. It's what it means

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to build a system where people in crisis are met with care and support, not stigma.

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Aaron, his impact goes beyond person in crisis calls. It supports residents across a

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wide range of situations where a wellness focused response is the right response which can

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be highlighted through the work of the ECC and that a social worker. Which brings us

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to our final measure. The percentage of calls transferred to orbit its

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social worker or as we call them the E S W's. I don't know if you're familiar and 9-1-1,

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world. We do everything in Akron and so try try not to use them. But so they use the

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SW. It's our emergency, Aaron, but it's social workers. They are trained mental health

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professionals who work right inside the Emergency Communications center side by

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side with our staff. After a public safety telecommunicator completes the initial triage

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and that is social workers conduct a secondary triaged to understand the caller's needs

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more deeply. From there. They may provide support directly over the phone. Or if the

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situation escalated during the conversation. They may return the call to adjust traditional

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response. Or maybe for the call to mental health crisis team for a response. This

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measure shows the percentage of calls eat and that its social workers were able to

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resolve over the phone which they received 3,833 calls in 2025. 64% of those calls were

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results by phone. Prior to the embedded social workers being implemented in the ECC, those

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calls would have likely resulted in a traditional response. But it's embedded

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social workers work with colors to develop plans that address complex needs.

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Including for residents who rely on 9-1-1, frequently because they don't have other

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support systems in place. They also connect people with basic need resources and community

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referrals. What makes Israel so powerful is the time and space and that is social

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workers can offer. Their work is intentionally designed for extended focused engagement.

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Something that difference from the primary function of our public safety

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telecommunicator. job is to quickly roll calls for a response. And that is social

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workers can stay on the line longer. Listen more deeply and help callers navigate

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situations that don't always require police fire or EMS response. This is a one Ramsey

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County approach in action, social services staff processing the 9 on your

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processing and taking calls in the 9, 1, center and not from another building. The impact

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is real. I want to share resident comment that was posted publicly on the Como

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Park Facebook page by community member named Mary. I know people are free to call

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9-1-1 when there's a mental health crisis for fear that police will escalate the

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situation. I want to share a recent experience. So what I know had to call Ramsey County

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9-1-1, about someone in crisis. Their call was immediately routed to what I

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believe was a mental health specialist. The woman on the other and spent a good 15

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minutes asking questions to make sure she had all the information she needed to

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dispatch first responders. So the situation was managed appropriately. Her tone was

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warm, kind and supportive. I overheard much of the call and I wish I could personally

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thank the woman. She reassured the collar that nothing bad would happen and that if the

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person or if you support. Responders would come back as many times as needed. The

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situation was resolved professionally and without violence. I share this because

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I want people to be aware of the resources we have in our county when calling 9, 1, for

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mental health crisis. I was impressed from start to finish with how the situation was

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handled. This is what share committee power feels like when a resident know is that

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they can call 9-1-1 and receive support. That is compassionate. And

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appropriate. For anyone who wants to explore the full scope of this work. They can

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visit the county's appropriate response initiative dashboard. By expanding community center

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programs. Deepening resident engagement and increasing culturally responsive

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advocacy, pathways. We will strengthen equitable access to emergency and crisis response

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services. W will focus on technology to support staff by programming. operation Lexi

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Neck of the non emergency call handling automation. We intend to bring more technology tools

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into our tool box in 2027 with a quality assurance feedback in training tool for our

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staff. We'll continue to support staff wellness and strengthen our culture from

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what we learned from our empower you check in. We will build a more coordinated

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crisis care model that improves resident outcomes and reduces unnecessary public

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safety response. In closing, the ECC is evolving from Emergency Communications

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Center into a more integrated access point for emergency behavior. Health, social

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services and community-based response. Thank you, Madam. Thank you. Madam Chair and

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commissioners for their time to incomes and your continued support. I stand for any

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questions. it still? thank you, Madam Chair. Just just a quick question about the ECC

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and social worker calls and then R I. >> I thought they're both the

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same as unlike our de Vries type of response is warranted. >> Yes, thank you. Madam Cair

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Commissioner Rise. The initiative itself and then embedded social worker is one

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of the prongs of the program. I would say okay, great. >> So question going backwards

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is for the social worker calls. May you provide the hard numbers where a social

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worker responded? And then if it's available online, please point me there to, of course.

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And can I just confirm? Thank you, Madam Chair, Commissioner John, can I just confirm are

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you talking about the >> 4th measure that was specific about the 3 separate

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teams that I identified him. But it's social worker, the public health responder and

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the crisis >> 27. So this is just just looking at the percentage of

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UCC embedded social worker calls resolved by phone. Thank I do believe I have that

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information. >> So the embedded social worker in 2025 received 3,833

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calls. then 64% or 2,445 holes resolved by phone. Okay, great.

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>> And then for the percentage person in crisis, Paul supported by a R I What is the

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type of response? then you talk a little bit more about that response how it's

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different from the social worker is adult like a mental health worker.

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>> That responds. Madam Chair commissioners on so when it comes to that response side of

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things, again, it's that the different branches. So the embedded social workers is

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part of the branch. We highlight that in a separate measure because that is

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handled by phone and we're not sending responders or saving that resource from going out.

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we also highlight the other part of the response because there are other programs

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within right platform that send response to a scene. >> so then is this measuring

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dispatch essentially of like folks going out on the scene? >> thank you. Madam Chair

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Commissioner John. I that I'm going to have to circle back with you on that one. I don't

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want to give in bit inappropriate information on that would so we

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>> We can come back with some. We can send you clear data. >> On the response and whether

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it be by phone or the actual. Onsite response. Okay. And then also similarly to may you

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provide the hard numbers on the response. >> Madam Chair Commissioner

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shot. We depth December I had talked yesterday about doing righ it kind of workshop,

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probably before the end of the year for you. Maybe as we get into November something. So

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maybe that might be a better time to put it all into contacts as we kind why I want

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do it bfore the end of the year is as we move into operational icing in 27 to

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sort of reset. the whole program for you all as a kind of becomes fully it, something

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that the county's operational icing. So that works as well. Make sure you get some data.

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But that's the overall plan. >> Yeah. I really appreciate just the amount of work in the

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cross collaboration across the different departments to get this operational AISD and you

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see the support from the board and the funding of this. And it is reflective of of how are

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you see CSB news, right? It's being used for and, you know, those type of emergencies

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critical, even for like medical needs to fight that that folks are waiting until

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it's an emergency to like actually call one. So it adds pressure on to our system

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across the system here. And, you know, I just also really want to highlight the domestic

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violence resource tax, Lincoln referrals and really appreciate that because, you

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domestic violence when police are called is, you know, they're often left to you

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know, still trying figure out what to do or not getting a support after officers

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respond. And so that's what I've heard from community. So I just really te follow-up

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there for services. May you also speak a little bit more about the technology or the

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use of AI in response to the non-emergency calls and how we categorize or help that gets

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filtered for non-emergency emergency Thank you, Madam Chair commissioners on.

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>> We're still in its infancy. So there are going to be some things that I might not get

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correct 100%, but I want to make sure I mention Anoka County in Dakota County also

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have this technology in place today. >> They actually believe they

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use it for all of their non-emergency calls. >> We're going into a little

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different direction, which is when all of our telecommunicators are public

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safety. Telecommunicators are on a call. >> And there are no more left.

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mold get put on hold for extended periods of time. And so the when the call comes in,

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it's it is a conversational AI which is interesting and something that's really kind

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new for me. >> But when they say certain things like I need a police

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report, you know, then we'll say, like what city is it And then if it's like Saint Paul

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and it'll get transferred to Saint Paul administrative line. So there are certain

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we're building it right now. And that is taking some time. But we're hoping to do some

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beta testing here relatively soon. We're working with our communications department to

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make sure we do a splash. So are not what you know, notifying so that we are

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notifying community before we get it gets put in help answer your question. Yeah. And then

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it's tell me understand a little bit more when we have goals around answering the

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calls within like 5 seconds are within 15 seconds. There. >> Like how often or how

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prevalent is that these non-emergency calls to kind of wait the Well, like, I long as

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the wait you, Madam Chair commissioners on I don't have the number with m today.

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>> I don't know for sure that we would be able to extract it from our call handling system.

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I would need to double check into that get back to you. It happens. I mean, I'm not that,

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you know, a lot of times what happens as we pick up the person we're talking to

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replace on hold and we pick up the next and say is this an emergency? And if it's not

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feasible, rght. And then as we cycle through them, they get picked up. But there are

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times where people are on hold. Okay. >> then my my last question

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around this is we answer all non-emergency calls throughout the entire county do they get

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routed to like the like the city, for example, fits a specific question that about

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like Dsi Animal Control get a mentor. Commissioners on a great question. We do answer

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calls throughout the whole county public works. Animal control any type of.

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>> Especially after hours, if it's during business hours, more people are using their

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resources online to call the city that they are. You know, we have a question about.

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>> But we are seeing more calls in the after hours because the city isn't open,

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right? And we are told. And so we were able to direct them. We have a city page for every

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city that talks you know, control all the things that people might call. There's

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about their city. Fireworks is another one when this garbage pickup like those types of

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questions. Okay. All right. >> That's just really helpful because it just seems like,

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you cities have kind of change or like provided different messaging right about calls

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before the city of Saint Paul. long time ago. like if it's not emergency, call this

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number and then it would go to like the dsi or 2 of their staff. But now it's really

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like anything. Call 9-1-1. It right. And so that's where you see increases in numbers and

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how that partnership or the utilization of our ECC has changed over time. And so I

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want make sure tat we're reflecting that You know, our joint Joint Powers Agreement

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thank you. Thank you. >> Museum of Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm gonna follow up.

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And some of these questions that I had I. That's similar to what Commissioner John did.

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So just on this last one. Do we have a second? Do we have a non-emergency number? we don't

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encourage everyone to just call 9-1-1, Dooley. We have what we do have a

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non-emergency county number is it are. it just gentle number? Alright, I'm just curious

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about that. I guess I don't know. I don't think I guess I'm lucky have to call the

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county mission there is a non-emergency number. There's actually several of them. And

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that stems from a 20 year consolidation that happened all of, for instance, had.

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>> 6 by one to 9, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, of the sheriff's office had 6, 5, 1, I'm not remember the

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number right but all of those numbers are still in place. They are published Google. If

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you're looking up, you Ramsey County, 9-1-1, you'll get those non-emergency numbers to

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call. Okay. So right there. I mean, everyone has 9-1-1, in their mind. But I you know, I

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>> you know, trained holding an emergency. And then there's another number. Do don't know

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what that is? So there's different numbers that people find online. What's the what's

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the best 9? What's the best? Non-emergency number to call if you have a if you think you

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have something. Just cure, it may be in Canada the 6, 5, one 7, 6, 7,

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>> 0, 6, 4, 0, Thank you. I also don't call it very Commissioner have different

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internal numbers in a which is And >> obviously, if there's a

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question, Coleman, what I mean, might be an emergency should call 9-1-1. But it's

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good to know that number. >> And answer for one moment. Yeah. Wait to read it. Someone

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call 9-1-1, and a direct them to another number or transfer them.

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>> To a 9 Rosie. >> Madam Chair know because we are the same people. So the

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words and people answer that. I want calls that answer the non-emergency call. So, you

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know, it is if you don't know the number and you needs a response. Call 9-1-1. If you

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can take the time to call or look up on Google and get that telephone number than we would

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ask that you call the non-emergency line right way. only so mny 9, 1, lines and

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they will transfer to our non-emergency lines. Went all the 9, One lines are from our

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full right Seoul. Again, I would say it's an emergency call 9-1-1. If you don't know

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the number and you need a response, any type of response call 91-1. But otherwise

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there is that non emergency number and the same people answer it. think maybe I thank

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you for that. That's good to know. I wanted to set up my comments by, of course,

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thanking you for being this amazing. >> Emergency communications

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center because as we know back in March, I was on. on my way to a meeting there. We giving

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a tour of our call center to our Ramsey County, local governments. And I tripped and

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fell and you took such good care of me with my broken kneecap. And I just want to

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thank you again publicly for making me feel so cared for in that meeting that didn't

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begin. But my erupted in a swelling and we had to go to the urgent care. But thank you

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for taking care of me it was great. And the Ramsey local governments really appreciated

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the tour that they that they received and all the great information that they got that

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day. So thank you for all All this great work that you're doing. It's it's I'm glad to

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hear. We're going to have a workshop. Madam chair, about all the amazing things that

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you're doing because it's it brings up a lot of I just want to let more information on it.

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All. I would love to know. And you can you can funnel any of this to the workshop that you

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want. But, you know, as you're getting calls, I would love to have a sense o what are the

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kinds of calls that you are getting and I think doing a great job of anticipating, you

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know, what kind of needs our residents have. But that would be curious to know, you know,

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is there uptake in and in opioid calls, violence call, you know what domestic

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violence, what where do we need to start doing that? Early intervention in the

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prevention work and I I know you have I love to hear that. You hve a community group

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that's that talking to and how we can that student don't do this work. But I'd love to

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know the type of calls that we're getting. And then, where's the feed that look to

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the county like, oh, wow, we're getting a lot of these calls. You know, what could

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you let old you do? which people do talk to aout that. >> Madam Chair, Commissioner

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glare, don't house. That's on me today any type of call that you could imagine we take. I

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do mean that in every sense of the word. I as far as like uptick, sinkholes and things

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like that. I don't I can't say that. We look at trends. We look at numbers and we look at

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time of day and we look at season's to talk about staffing numbers and ensure

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that have enough staffing on the floor. So to specifically talk about activity, types

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tough, call types. I don't know that we really trend them that way. I do Keep in mind

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all of our calls from cd system filtering to records management systems and to

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every department in Ramsey County Police Department. And I know a lot of them are

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looking statistically at their, you know, they do their own It's statistical analysis

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within call types within their community. And maybe that's a different way that we need to

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tap into We have to explore that a little bit more well, and I think Debbie, good for

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workshop conversation just to see is, you know, am curious about the feedback loop.

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>> You we pay attention to any of those trends that we might want to be aware of. Self.

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Thank you and mean guts. It's great that getting, you know, some of this information and

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feeding it to those departments I think could be really interesting for us to

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to hear about that, too. So thank you for that. And and I love that you're getting out

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into community and tabling and things like that. And so this is another kind of a question

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all of us is, you know, as were tabling and I'd love to see our departments out in my

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community and and to the extent that we can, you know, have a table together, you

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know, and I know sometimes you just want your topic to be talked about in. mentioned

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before, how much I love to see our county out there. But and then I saw 3 tables at a very

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small community event. I thought maybe we could have joined in on together on that

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tabling because it's a staff. I mean, it's a time requirement and things. So I

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just want to put that out there maybe want to think about that. And that's a lot

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of coordination. I know. So we'll that if that makes makes it, if that's worth it.

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the other thing, the question I have just going to talk about it in the workshop. But

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what are the 3, 1, of the 3 areas when when they go to the pulpit and appropriate

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response initiative? Is it embedded social worker, public health respond or and the

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crisis responder. That is correct. Okay. And Well, maybe you can give me a little

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example of the difference between those 3 because I do think of them pretty similarly

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and maybe we can talk about that at the workshop. You can do can decide. That's those

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are questions that I have. I had mental health professional, probably lot of

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these are mental health professionals. So and category. I commissioner

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player for cutting you off. >> No, yeah. I think you know, you're it is interesting we

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think in a lot of people we are talking with this super confused. the thing that a

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single is, yes, there is a perfect there's a mental health professional lens, but

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there's also a person well-being lands to all of this work right? really about

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meeting people where they're at its not about skilled in many different players, right.

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And so it kind of depends on the circumstance in the situation on what resource we

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would use. Again, we do leaning towards if we can handle something by phone and

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the person gets the resource that they're looking for without sending a response,

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we're saving time. It may not be actual county dollars, but it's county. It's it's dollars

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that are being spent on response gas. The vehicle, the person in the vehicle, the 2

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people in the vehicle rate still, can't give like what's that dollar look like. But I

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can say that I know that we are saving resources that way. >> But I think, you know,

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thinking of the 3 different lenses, the public health responders really more on that

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are the lens of point. Opioid lens. The crisis, mental health of the Ramsey County

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crisis Team. I'm sorry there. I don't work directly with them. So I don't have a great

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lines on that. But I know that they go out on scenes. They also do intake country eyes

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with multiple in takes process is 9-1-1. Is just one of those processes are one of intake

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process. >> let me just say that I this is great questions. And, you

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know, this is highly important service provide. at time. We have 3 more commissioners

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would like to get license. And so and next. Presenters are also here. So what we're going

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go on. We're going into our night. I stand in a bit longer was complete so much back in

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to get sense okay. But yeah, okay. That's fine. But we can yet just.

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>> I just have So when the person takes a call, they're deciding which of these 3

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they're gonna feel that too. All right. that sort of on the spot decision.

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>> Madam Mister McGuire. Yes, and no, sometimes I would say they're being filtered to the

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embedded social worker who will spend more time with them to determine.

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>> What level response may be needed. Okay. Thanks. Thank you so much. Thank you. Madam

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Chair. And I could go beyond do clock have thank. Thank you, Commissioner McMurtry.

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>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Director. for the presentation at couple

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comments and questions to forces want to thank you for walking through the community,

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engagement and outreach pisos. It's great to hear that you all being so strategic and

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intentional with your approach to make sure that you're giving to the white folks with

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with all the community engagement. I do have a question on for the domestic

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violence resource takes a link. Is that something that is only provided to folks who

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have engaged and like law enforcement cming to a particle incident or is that

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something that all residents have access to enough? So what does that engagement look

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like? How we letting folks know of this resource. >> Thank you, Madam Chair,

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Commissioner McMurtry. That's a great question. And I think that's going to be also part

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of phase 2. And I hope phase 3 at some point of this initiative, anyone could call

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the non-emergency number or the 9, 1, line to get that resource. But we do have to

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find other ways into our community to say this is available and it's a safe link

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that you can go to. And there is a, you know, if you don't haven't had an opportunity to

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go website itself, I would highly recommend there are a lot of resources there for

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folks with multiple different needs or requirements and so at this point, I would say we

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are working with our community. I'm sorry. Are. I'm sorry, Mark. Well, the

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advocacy groups as well as our internal communications folks. Sorry. And where are we are

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working on a card that we would bring into community that would have that link for

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that QR code. Also with that, >> kind in its infancy. But we're really we're seen it

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take safe and we're seeing the results. And that's really where, you know, the drive is

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to continue down this path. It's brand new for us, folks, right? We're like the people

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that take the call. And that's it. We're faceless war, you know, and I think several

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years ago I came to this this body and said we need to start showing our face. We need to

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start being liked. Here's where we are in. We care. We live in community and and I

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think that's just one of the things that like brings that forward for That's right.

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>> And ten my last question is, is also about appropriate response initiative with your

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goals of hitting a certain percentage call supported by R I and I know I've asked this

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question a few times may be something that we will get update on the workshop. Where

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are we with the incorporation of the think Paul. >> Into if they are, I know

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that there's been some conversations around that. I wonder with that incorporation

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of the city of that would Positively impact your goals here in the percentage of of

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calls are open to it. Just wanted to know where we are with with that that

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partnership getting them brought in. >> Commission to commissioner,

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I can take this one. We can definitely address it with the workshop. We're going to have

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this. Alright, 2 point O as we enter into it, the new budget year of 2027 be operational I

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think it's the distinction between these different branches.

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>> All the calls that that part of the ride, all the calls that come in to 9-1-1.

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Saint Paul calls it like anybody else. They're getting the embedded social worker

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that make sense you're talking about and I believe they get deployed. The crisis helped to

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write. So the one piece that you're talking about is the public health responder, which

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we are now pivoting as well. So part of the reset is we have to attach the public

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health responder from the actual dispatch center and that conversation is going to

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get kind of a rebirth as we talk about this new community Wellness and response

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initiative is we've now done this work with on with the encampment on the Green Line.

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Public health needs to not necessarily b a response to public health needs to kind be

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part of this mobile service center model that we're going to trying to build out. So

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look forward to more. But I think this idea that we have to be delivering public health

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responders to dispatch by city is not is not a name that's part of the initiative

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anymore. We've evolved from that. That makes sense. Thank you. I would just add that

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yesterday we had a great meeting with the city and all the leadership there command

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staff within the police department and then also the mayor's office.

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>> Staff and we we did a presentation on our crisis response and answer their

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questions. >> And really, we're trying to find ways how do we engage and

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inform. >> Through, like roll calls for you to frontline patrol

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officers who are taking those calls at 3, 4 o'clock in the morning.

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>> And, you know, they we want to continue these conversations and get feedback

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and to ensure that we are responding to their needs and how they work and and so I

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think that we and last year we just did a tabletop exercise with the city of Saint Paul.

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So that really is moving along. And so it it is about education and engagement in

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this area because it is quite confusing. If you don't know the different levels of a

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response within the 9-1-1 system. So we're getting there. Commissioner Miller,

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I'm going very quick and you can definitely notice bring it back to the workshop.

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>> Are we measuring the traditional emergency response capacity that AR I is for Ina.

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Is there a percentage that we can say? I mean, you can bring that up and go back to

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November. And then my other question. But you can bring back to workshop as well. I

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want to be respectful of time. Is all of the 62% of calls that were supported at a a R I

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do. We know how many were resolved through there and that did not need response to

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that from police fire, EMS that was just resolve their and maybe that's the number

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you gave commissioners on earlier with ECC embedded social workers. But if you

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just have any information that that be great for the future. Thank Thank you. a difference

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>> Yes. So I'm gonna have a very nuts and bolts question from one of my residents in

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the northern border near no-go, which because we all have cell phone to not

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necessary. Landline, if somebody calls 9, one how it how do you know to paying

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Ramsey County versus another county or another call center? If they're close?

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>> Thank you. Madam Chair, Commissioner That's a great question. And I think it

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really technical on a bold choice, a really high level when a cell when you call 9,

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1, from your cell tower from your cell phone, it hits the tower. That tower is selected

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to goal into one of the 2 centers. It may be a 3rd center which is state Patrol.

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If it's located on highway. In the end, it's painting on a highway center line. Then it

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will go to state Patrol. There is a variation. We do transfer quite a bit.

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>> Between multiple all of our bordering counties. >> But for the most part, has

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our technology gets better as we get into next time. 9-1-1, and I capability, which is

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really going to be focused more on that. >> Sending the call to the

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right place the first time that should better. >> I love that. Okay. And then

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just to add on to wear a >> call sheet for the air. I accept coming up. I mean, one

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of the things that I would love to be able to see is that when an alternative response

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does need to be Do we know what our current capacity to send the right team to the

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right situation and that could be mental health crisis. It could be public health. Could

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be whatever side I'd love to have that be part of the dock it and then the other piece

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with the the being able to leverage this investment now that we have embedded within

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our budget and structure, the idea of how are we allies saying that 24 7, 3.65

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overnight, support or other service lines that need that kind of a a level of calling

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is is there is there a way for us to leverage that rather than having pockets of people

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on cll? >> Throughout department of its public health or social

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worker, mental health crisis or something like that. Is there a way that we can cross

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trainer Cross support? The other thing would be just as we're talking about the

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toxicology from the medical examiner being able to give us ideas as to what emergence

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absences are causing harm in our community. The idea of some of right calls could be

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trending. What are some issues that are bubbling up? That could be informative to our

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public health or mental health or are, you know, other support programs. And so just

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making sure that since this something we've invested and how are we making sure use

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utilize it as best we can. I just want to reiterate my appreciation fr the car for

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Maybe the stats are not today, but I know that many women are the most vulnerable to

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violence in their own homes. They play like one in 3 women experienced domestic violence.

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No like plan for for men. It's a huge childhood aces issue. It's a cause of homelessness,

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injury and death. And s the idea of IP she ate taking that time to be a positive

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intervention and perhaps to send somebody resources upstream that could help their

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situation help to any other children situation. Keep people from having these

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greater harm has come to them. So really do appreciate I know you started this with this,

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but I just want to highlight Ramsey County's largest 9-1-1, center in Minnesota. We are

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one of 87 Minnesota counties, but you feel about 12% of 9-1-1. Calls and how we do

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that work is just as important as as to the what we do. And so you've talked about, you

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know, your performance measures today. Talk about efficiency effectiveness

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entering community voice, compassion strategies for providing those broader

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resources, more upstream. So I just want to say not only do we recognize that, but I

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forgot my prop the National Association of counties organization recently

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highlighted the work that you're doing. Nash nationwide as a as a model for other

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folks to follow. So so thank you for this work thank you for I so I just want to end by

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saying thank you for your work your leadership. >> I'm in the forward to the

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workshop. Appropriate response is really important. Ally that came out like in Twenty-twenty

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we began tracking right because we know mental health is at its highest level ever

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and sometime law enforcement is not the appropriate response. And so in my world,

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I just know I call 9-1-1 needed. I someone's going to be there. So I appreciate the

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number of the Senate. You are responding within that first 15 0nd mark of an emergency

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asking someone call it is an emergency. And so just want to thank you for that work in the

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fort to the gunshot. They have right. Appreciate your work. Thank you.

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? All right. So we're keep moving forward. We have our

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next presenter. Is the man to county Sheriff's office and >> Arlington County Sheriff

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Bob Fletcher. god morning. >> I do want to say how lucky we are to have an amazing

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communication center. Nancy, thank you for everything you it without them. We're we're

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last of their very appreciative and we have a great relationship. With their

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in a minute. I'm going to call up under Sheriff Tom Hughes did to go over the formal.

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>> Power point performance measures. But I do want to say that. Everybody has different

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measure of success. And we we try to fit with the county boards. View of what that of

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those measures should be. my mind, we have really 3 simple measures. How are we taking

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care of the citizens of Rmsey County? are we meeting their needs keeping them safe. Be

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glad to tell you that the last 3 years serious crime in Ramsey County has dropped 40%.

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probably heard auto thefts of actually drop 70%. That's one measure I think of whether or

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not we're doing our job to help take care of the citizens. The second measure

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is how are we doing in taking care of the people that were in custody of? The people that

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we care for? The people that really are clients in our detention facility. And on

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that measure, I think we're doing a good job. We've obviously had ups and downs

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over the past 4years. But I want to thank you for your recognition. Ad Gloria, as

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well that some additional staffing will help us take care of the people that we.

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Need to take care of. And that's a big plus. And we think Lori and the whole

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county board for, you know, conducting a staffing study and for recognizing it

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actually this year and are CEOs are in the final week of training this week. Bill, do

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some there's some training in the jail as well. But it will make a difference. And

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ensuring that are able to take good care of the people that are in our custody and have,

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you know, really, of. That, everybody in there? Well, let me just say some people have

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experienced their worst day that brought them into our custody. But that may not be a

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reflection several of their other days. So we do have a the good human moral

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obligation to take god care and your help is going to help us. The 3rd thing after taking

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care of the citizens and the people in our custody, of course, is taking care of our

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employees. I do want to say You have been very supportive of our employees and there

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have been some celery adjustments that reflect that there have been support of

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wellness programs. And I know that might not be the case all the time. The future, maybe a

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little tighter than what you've done. But thank you. Our employees are. They're

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positive because of the support of this county board. It hasn't always been that

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way. So with that introduction, I'm going introduce county said Go

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through the power point and details. I will be here for questions, of course, at the

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end, I do have to say that I have a 12, 15 appointment in this building that I'm going

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to try to make if that's possible >> Good morning. Madam Chair,

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Commissioners, County manager as the sheriff said, I will speak will briefly to our

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performance measures that align with the company's strategic priorities and do my

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best to get you back on track for times. know, there is a 12 noon break. I'll talk a little

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bit about our office to brief overview, 3 performance measures, all those

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performance measures are expected to trend the next couple years. Our efforts to

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improve and support operational or organizational excellence. Some general

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updates both the questions from you all. So we are there into 20 sheriff's office. The

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state's first law enforcement agency established before Minnesota was actually a

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state. I think everyone knows what we do in terms of providing law enforcement

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00:49:20,868 --> 00:49:26,807
public safety services accordance with constitutional statutory mandate. It's a

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sheriff touchdown. We serve Ramsey County from detention. The court security, the court

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services. >> We're gonna talk a little bit about explosions that are

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working the court services area, but also apprehension patrol investigations,

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transportation visitors. Work on regional response efforts across the county. also a

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great degree of crime Prevention Ridge, a lot of which is actually grant

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funded. >> We remain that commitment to leadership and public

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00:49:55,350 --> 00:49:59,235
safety. If your professionalism partnerships and community.

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>> And this is just a grant to the 3 performance measures. >> That will speak about

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today. Number of expunge rates. really a protection orders in the adult detention

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center, daily population. So as the sheriff touched how well are we serving? Ramsey

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County residents and how Larry caring for those in custody? We'll unpack Looking at the

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delivery of call responsible or century mandated services degree of providing

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transparency, objective data timeliness that come on through the staffing study

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that we've from to the jail of course, in areas of well-being prosperity. Appreciate

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accountability. We're all familiar with. Performance measure. Number one. Looks at

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the nmber of expungement processed. So the county attorney's office also has

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this is a performance measure. The rview explains they make their way to the court, a

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court will decide it expunge meant is granted. If that is the case, it comes us for

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processing. So for the folks watching at home expunge months, remove. Seal certain

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criminal offenses, criminal records which that allow residents individuals to move

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forward with place in general, reducing barriers housing, education, employment, other

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opportunities. There's been a lot of wrk the state level. The county level. We'll my

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record dot org in that space to help folks move on from. You know, a decision or 2 that

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probably wasn't the best but should hang over their head. For 4 months. Measure number 2

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look said it to me protection orders and how quickly we serve them. So these protests

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and unrest restraining orders or his for protection, domestic abuse, no-contact

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orders. So if someone is a victim of any of those types of crimes, trestman stocking

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domestic abuse, they can appeal to district court. judge can issue an order. It

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makes it our way for processing and serving. We're definitely will come and say

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you are served that is a legal mechanism of protecting a victim of a crime.

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>> behavior that diversity affect them. So we don't determine when they're issued,

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but we are responsible under statute for processing and serving that. Twofold

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approach. There is support staff will enter process that get all the information

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available. Package it up goes to a deputy who then delivers it. So timely service. A

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protection order definitely a critical public safety function, but also it helps

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ensure victims receive legal protections ordered by the court. Average daily

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population for the adult detention center. This measure reflects the justice system's

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overall efficiency Soho. Quickly here, folks moving through the criminal justice

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system. >> Following so a lot of factors. You influence that

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around trying trends. What the court is seeing ruled 2 proceedings, which we've

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talked about before number a probation violations or what not so. The ABC doesn't

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control who comes to was arrested, but we are managing that population. To make sure

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that everyone has a chance to have their legal rights court. And so. In terms of bookings

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in terms of the jail population as a whole we saw 2025 in average daily

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population of 3.96 at the ATC. 35 Project Bridge, which is partnership with Hershey, CF,

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00:53:40,278 --> 00:53:46,952
Chevron's familiar with by now. Looking ahead into future the plan is to get that number

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up a little bit to make sure we're providing better care and custody to those that are

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00:53:51,956 --> 00:53:58,763
interested to us through this partnership. So far this year we've averaged 61 at Hershey

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CF. So tragic bridge started mid year in 2025. that number's been going up every

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year >> the physical plant differences between the ATC

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and the correctional facility are substantial in that our facility was designed to help

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folks for 5 to 7 days. Things we've all talked before. RCC Fs outdoor space, larger rec

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rooms. The hotel versus the motel type setting so that has been very beneficial in

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helping us leave a lot of cost pressures and >> struggles we've had with

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ATC. In terms of racial demographics. It still reflects a broader disparities

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that exist in the justice system. In terms of our bookings.

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>> Those points have remained pretty consistent over the years. part thanks to a county

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manager Becker's work with Katie Corrections. Alex played a role in that too. I think

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Project Bridges definitely been very beneficial. So thank you for that. Over the next

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few years. We expect to see the number of expensive in trees providing residents with

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greater opportunities for the second chances. We still remain steadfast in

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delivering. And read those protection orders. As quickly as possible pursuing 9 levy

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and grant funding. We've been very good in that space of practice. We hope to continue.

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So you're looking engagement, crime prevention and >> With the staffing so uses

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Sheriff briefly we should see over time CASA GOP Korea says we have a full tank staff

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brought online. We're also hoping that the number of residents that are part of

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Project Bridge, could increase that enhancing access to critical stabilization

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00:55:45,337 --> 00:55:51,743
services going forward future years. the county manager's big on this one terms of

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operational excellence, but were part of that work too. First and foremost, partnering

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with the county board County manager, deputy county like implementing all the

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recommendations on the staffing study. We've done phase one. Phase 2 will be in

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the future. But again, looking at the worker and reducing overtime, including staff

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forecasting. And then I have a feeling and spending some time with the audit sheriff in the

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near future. So we're going to unpack that a little bit and see what data points and

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metrics are You know, again, I'll touch on this because pretty proud of this in terms

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of leveraging. >> You know, grant funding and other areas funding that that

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lesson of the men levy, but still allow us to be president community and fostering that

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Project Bridge partnership will be things I think will come out 28 between for that

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new budget process as well. For almost back on time. So with that do have some general

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updates about the adult detention center. in terms of our new hiring what that might

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look like. They don't know if you want questions. Now are some general updates. A

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commission member? >> To quick questions and for the number of so for the first

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side on Page, 34 what is that timeline? So this is the number of expungements

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process. And I know you're not in control of the timeline of when it's approved the courts.

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But what's timeline once gets to your your area? >> chair Commissioner Miller,

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I believe it's a 30 or 60 day timeline for expungement. There's a statutory deadline.

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We must change will process. would need to follow up with that, actually. And are we

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meeting those send those deadlines? Okay. >> And then my next question

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was similar to that on the next slide to is what's the average time line for for the

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for the serving unsuccessful serving of S P's or the day goes are you know, for those

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because if you can't find an individual right, I can get access serve them to keep that

627
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the victim safe. Great question. Madam Chair, Commissioner Miller. So this

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number, he reflects. >> Surge of orders which are successful. You are right.

629
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There are suspects at trying to evade us that don't want to be served. That will do

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whatever they can to avoid it. in terms of pursuing a never-ending felons and

631
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catching the bad guys. It's something really, really good at. So I.

632
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>> We want to stay above that. 93 Mark, it's great. >> Well, and then my last

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question goes the last site under Project Bridge. I appreciate our ccf in

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everything you guys are ding with the project Bridge Fix supporter of that initiative.

635
00:58:40,122 --> 00:58:45,861
>> with the goal of increasing more residents to the F. >> I'm just curious that who

636
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pays for that? know that a lot of that was incorporated in the RCC F's budget. So if

637
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we're going to be sending more. >> Is that incorporate? What

638
00:58:57,406 --> 00:58:59,875
does that extra costs incorporated? And is there more extra cost needed that

639
00:58:59,875 --> 00:59:08,275
the for them? >> yes, okay. Thank you. So as part of the biennial budget,

640
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we made an investment in project bridge doctor Long was he or she talked about? Using

641
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:21,163
some of the corrections money. But that was in that Britt kind of literally in the

642
00:59:21,163 --> 00:59:26,836
bridge period for the project bridge, you know, COVID the end of 20. Before we set the

643
00:59:26,836 --> 00:59:29,905
new supplemental budget. We didn't really want to wait. We wanted to sort of alleviate

644
00:59:29,905 --> 00:59:35,644
some of the population pressure immediately. So she was able to find savings

645
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within her budget to sort of do I think it end up being like 6 months or so 6 or 7

646
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months and kind of manage through it with cost savings in 2026. 27. You made an

647
00:59:46,922 --> 00:59:53,128
investment in Project Bridge that now is in the base budget. So ongoing. The

648
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correctional facility can manage, you know, the 60 to 70 additional people as we would

649
01:00:03,405 --> 01:00:08,677
ever want to look at adding more to that. >> I think we have to have a

650
01:00:08,677 --> 01:00:12,140
strategic conversation because it starts to be a little bit about the physical space of

651
01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:17,553
the correctional facility to. >> So when just the the operational cost may be

652
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looking at some other So I want to really think thoughtfully about what that

653
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is. And we wanted to make sure on the other hand that the sheriff was also doing their

654
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:30,299
part in sort closing the pod. And so I think we want to make sure we have a good sense of

655
01:00:30,299 --> 01:00:34,436
what's going on before we would talk about even further enhancements. If that makes

656
01:00:34,436 --> 01:00:40,436
sense future of the correctional facility. >> suspected just agenda. I

657
01:00:42,244 --> 01:00:50,853
miss that. I understand we invested more and staffing, but closing up, hide why? I

658
01:00:50,853 --> 01:00:56,459
mean, I guess why would we do that if we're having if we're having capacity issues around

659
01:00:56,459 --> 01:01:00,396
was at capacity there, why would we close up Hawaii? We keep that open.

660
01:01:00,396 --> 01:01:03,532
>> because they've had a reduction in the number of individual banks. And that's,

661
01:01:03,532 --> 01:01:07,202
you know, and I don't I certainly that doesn't mean an immediate reduction in staff

662
01:01:07,202 --> 01:01:12,942
per se, but they're able then to use hopefully less over time, reduce COVID You know,

663
01:01:12,942 --> 01:01:16,745
they're managing through all the things that Nancy talked about around paid leave

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breaks, you know, all the things so should reduce overtime pressure. Certainly

665
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:25,888
it's another strategy for reducing or time pressure. In addition to the additional

666
01:01:25,888 --> 01:01:27,823
correctional officers. >> So then why we do that, though? What does that look

667
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like for the care and custody of our residents and our capacity is that this in which

668
01:01:34,290 --> 01:01:41,904
facility we end a DC so for closing a pod, is that having other pressures on other pots

669
01:01:41,904 --> 01:01:48,844
having them the fall and not where you guys like to staffing ratio to that.

670
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>> Madam Chair commissioner, I think it would. keep in mind like as of this morning, we

671
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have 49 and she CF. So if we had to manage you know population of what's in our C

672
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:04,460
F plus what we currently have now. Plus a close part that would be too much and create

673
01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:08,798
those pressures you just spoke about. Okay. But since since we have people over here, it

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makes it much more manageable for So. >> is closed right now.

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>> managing, thank you so can also share too, you know, the working adult detention center

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01:02:22,770 --> 01:02:26,882
on the safety and security are prevention, barriers that's ongoing. We hope to have all

677
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10 housing units but those beers installed the end the year. So reduction risk

678
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mitigations say times all those things and improve the the custody setting. We have

679
01:02:38,961 --> 01:02:46,161
hope operation allies by the end of the year. >> Commissioner, Thank you,

680
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Madam Chair and I appreciate your. trying keep us on time and keep working on that. And

681
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I'm going to ask, you know, as we've been saying, so many of these areas, there are worth a

682
01:02:57,713 --> 01:03:03,719
lot of conversation. And so I'm I think we probably have a workshop plan, but I'd love to

683
01:03:03,719 --> 01:03:07,390
have a conversation not necessarily around budget, but just about how we're doing our

684
01:03:07,390 --> 01:03:10,459
work together. with the Sheriff Lee Lve having haven't you come into a

685
01:03:10,459 --> 01:03:16,932
workshop with us? Because as you said, Sheriff we actually have the same goals. You know,

686
01:03:16,932 --> 01:03:21,804
how are we taking care of our residents? How are we taking care the people that are in

687
01:03:21,804 --> 01:03:27,809
our care and how are we taking care of our employees? And I appreciate outlined that

688
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because we we have those singles and it's how we do it and how we, you know and how

689
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,200
we measure that. So we can have some accountability to our residents. So I think

690
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:44,226
we're all working for the same goals it just geat to have really further conversations

691
01:03:44,226 --> 01:03:48,497
about how we can do that together. And I hope that we can just work that into our

692
01:03:48,497 --> 01:03:55,904
schedule every year is just haven't really great. You policy conversation with you

693
01:03:55,904 --> 01:04:00,242
all. and to degree you mentioned about in your performance measures, your

694
01:04:00,242 --> 01:04:04,113
strategic outlook, 9 Levy and grant funding will continue to be pursued. And we really

695
01:04:04,113 --> 01:04:09,318
appreciate you are very good advocates and strong advocates for really good things. Thank

696
01:04:09,318 --> 01:04:14,522
you. Thank you for that. And I mean, we want to be partners with that. I mean, we want to

697
01:04:14,522 --> 01:04:18,394
you know, we're doing great work. You're doing great work. And we want to make sure we're

698
01:04:18,394 --> 01:04:22,797
all, you know, help You know, we're al complimenting the work that we're doing

699
01:04:22,797 --> 01:04:29,271
together. So so thank you. Thank you fr that. just want to sy, you know, I have one

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contract city. They really appreciate the work of the sheriff's Thank you for that.

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And just I just saw on TV last night about the of the debris from the state fair. And, you

702
01:04:40,553 --> 01:04:46,292
know, the largest 12 day gathering of people in the country. You might have

703
01:04:46,292 --> 01:04:52,980
getting that right and to have it without major incidents. It is really commendable. And I

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want to thank you. Thank you, Sheriff. Thanks for everything you did. You know in in in

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preparation for that. And I think residents really appreciated it, too. And if

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you want when when you if we have time and you come back up, they would rather have the

707
01:05:09,383 --> 01:05:14,788
sheriff say, you know what, what you said last night on TV about how people are

708
01:05:14,788 --> 01:05:21,794
approaching the sheriff thank for your work. So I think we were we were grateful. I was

709
01:05:21,794 --> 01:05:25,531
there a number of times and felt very safe. know there were some incidents, but I

710
01:05:25,531 --> 01:05:29,335
know that you took care of them and and we had a lot of other thanks to all the law

711
01:05:29,335 --> 01:05:35,275
enforcement from around the state who came. know, we have a lot of people that that take

712
01:05:35,275 --> 01:05:41,547
time to be there. And just thanks to everyone for making it really amazingly safe

713
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event. So appreciate So thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair, thank Commissioner Tennessee.

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yes. So of the questions that often comes up for many of us. But I'll say is as is in my

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district, there are a number of contracts, cities. >> Residents when I asked them

716
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what are their top 3 concerns that the county, the top 2 consistently remain the same,

717
01:06:06,306 --> 01:06:11,310
which is public safety and keep my property taxes And I often say will square that

718
01:06:11,310 --> 01:06:15,582
circle because these are expensive investments and important ones that we hear

719
01:06:15,582 --> 01:06:21,988
folks want us to make. So I guess the question I have is looking at the budget in 2025

720
01:06:21,988 --> 01:06:26,393
the Sheriff's office budget with 76 million in 2026. Is 86 million in 2027. Its

721
01:06:26,393 --> 01:06:33,600
proposed at 92 Million. approve those budgets and have been to those budget cycles.

722
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:38,271
But can you just walk u through for for folks who are catching up through tose

723
01:06:38,271 --> 01:06:42,275
investments and what are some of the expected outcomes people want to know is again,

724
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they say keep my property taxes low keep us safe. So we've made these investments

725
01:06:47,747 --> 01:06:51,217
just a little narrative on that, right? Commissioner, Madam Chair, Commissioners,

726
01:06:51,217 --> 01:06:56,623
everything, thank you so >> that number, the 92 million reflects the overall budget

727
01:06:56,623 --> 01:07:00,760
and we look at the county tax levy. That numbers obviously less because their overall

728
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,297
budget reflects. >> Grande's, it reflects contracts. It is. It reflects

729
01:07:04,297 --> 01:07:12,172
gun permits, total number. But in terms of our levee growth in terms of the 2027 proposed

730
01:07:12,172 --> 01:07:19,579
tax levy for us is 68.2 million. And so 3.1 million of that does reflect the recent

731
01:07:19,579 --> 01:07:24,717
investment in staff in the jail as a substantial sum. Following the county let

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01:07:24,717 --> 01:07:30,790
staffing study and to as the sheriff touched on a lot of work or on class and calm and

733
01:07:30,790 --> 01:07:35,462
right sizing our salaries. So for a long time with the lowest paid the Metro, we had

734
01:07:35,462 --> 01:07:38,531
issues of retention recruitment. The board has since corrected that. And

735
01:07:38,531 --> 01:07:44,137
that's made a huge difference in terms of of staffing, reducing vacancies and

736
01:07:44,137 --> 01:07:51,411
whatnot. So majority of our cost, the budget overall in our tax levy really relates to

737
01:07:51,411 --> 01:07:55,615
staffing personnel. And then of regular growth. In terms of, you know, the body-worn

738
01:07:55,615 --> 01:08:00,620
camera program, technology costs always seem increase every year food service for

739
01:08:00,620 --> 01:08:06,693
the jail. cleaning services. When individuals in their custody. We have to close call

740
01:08:06,693 --> 01:08:13,900
them uniforms. A lot of operating costs within that >> and then as a follow-up to

741
01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:18,638
that, thank you. I just wanted to level set because I think it's important for folks to

742
01:08:18,638 --> 01:08:22,576
know that the dollars to start going up because they're going up because prices have been

743
01:08:22,576 --> 01:08:26,913
made right. then the second one I just wanted to say, as you alluded to the audit

744
01:08:26,913 --> 01:08:33,720
chair, that's at the moment. The idea of the ATC staffing sending the reaction to that.

745
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:38,124
I think one of the things that that am hoping that will get will be very similar to what

746
01:08:38,124 --> 01:08:42,129
we ended up getting win, win our financial aid services. We invested in some FT East last

747
01:08:42,129 --> 01:08:48,680
year as part of bringing down the backlog. You know, we were getting kind quarterly updates

748
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:53,940
on this is how many people now retired. This is how far they are in their training. Now

749
01:08:53,940 --> 01:08:58,544
they're on board now. This you know, and and as we got to this point in that that hiring

750
01:08:58,544 --> 01:09:03,350
implementation saying we anticipated that because of the revenue generation around

751
01:09:03,350 --> 01:09:06,419
that that eventually those that he's would pay for themselves and were still

752
01:09:06,419 --> 01:09:11,240
getting updates to make sure did that hold true. So that's the kind of the updates that

753
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,561
I'm hoping which is very similar to what we ask of our own departments is to say

754
01:09:14,561 --> 01:09:21,367
we've made these investments. How did that improves program experience for staff and and

755
01:09:21,367 --> 01:09:27,507
the ppulation at the ATC and then how did that really impact or overall staffing

756
01:09:27,507 --> 01:09:30,577
costs overtime? So just for folks to know, that's that's kind of what we're looking

757
01:09:30,577 --> 01:09:34,447
for, which is the same kind of things we ask their own departments. Thank you,

758
01:09:34,447 --> 01:09:38,184
Commissioner, right? I did have some BBC Harry notes NA. >> And cases come up. But we

759
01:09:38,184 --> 01:09:43,189
do have 34 correctional officers in training now they will serve a one-year

760
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:47,927
probationary period. 3 weeks classroom instruction is the sheriff touched on. They're

761
01:09:47,927 --> 01:09:51,864
getting ready to hit the streets or at the cells have sure what the equivalent as in

762
01:09:51,864 --> 01:09:55,401
the jail, but they're getting ready start the field training program or job shadowing a few

763
01:09:55,401 --> 01:10:04,401
weeks. We can report that the new higher in class 2, a 65% diverse 20% female. We worked

764
01:10:04,677 --> 01:10:09,416
with HR to get the get them hired is as quick as possible so we can hope to relay some

765
01:10:09,416 --> 01:10:14,287
of those over time. Savings mid to late October. >> Excellent. And then just a

766
01:10:14,287 --> 01:10:17,757
follow-up to that. Is that part of that staffing stuff? Study also was looking at the

767
01:10:17,757 --> 01:10:25,832
composition of how you address within the staff and how you organize yourselves a little

768
01:10:25,832 --> 01:10:29,340
bit as far as addressing complex needs and growing complex needs of a growing

769
01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:33,840
number of the folks in our care in custody. And so I encourage that be part of the

770
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:39,645
narrative as well. I know that there is a a collaborative space between public health

771
01:10:39,645 --> 01:10:45,118
and managing a lot of the health and wellness that goes on within within detention

772
01:10:45,118 --> 01:10:52,325
center. So I'm happy to hear of the ongoing, you know. Partnership and productivity

773
01:10:52,325 --> 01:10:57,130
in and I think for the county manager to 3 notes and hear about the weather county

774
01:10:57,130 --> 01:11:01,200
approaching. >> Particular partnerships as it relates to the jail, you

775
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,270
know, working with property management 2 large projects, flood control systems for the

776
01:11:04,270 --> 01:11:09,226
jail. So sometimes inmates with flood cells. It would flood work its way down. Water

777
01:11:09,226 --> 01:11:16,500
goes down. It gravity. Damaging stuff in public health. Space Weaver getting a

778
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:19,637
flood control system implemented. We came with public health to the county

779
01:11:19,637 --> 01:11:26,837
board. then off cycle request for Capital improvement funding to improve. Medical

780
01:11:28,578 --> 01:11:32,716
space for the jail. So their workstations, their exam rooms, flooring. Equipment is

781
01:11:32,716 --> 01:11:38,456
all getting just part of partnership. Probably mansion been there public health

782
01:11:38,456 --> 01:11:44,661
social services, That department provides the mental health staff or the jail. And

783
01:11:44,661 --> 01:11:50,735
it's a huge support for us. A huge role. >> That's great. And and on

784
01:11:50,735 --> 01:11:55,939
that to just the idea I had the honor of representing on the Minnesota District Kerry

785
01:11:55,939 --> 01:11:59,343
treatment advisory committee and working with a number of my colleagues who have sat on

786
01:11:59,343 --> 01:12:03,347
like advisory committees and work study groups. And I'm happy to see that if part of

787
01:12:03,347 --> 01:12:10,220
those also meetings with some other folks from Association of minute. So some folks who

788
01:12:10,220 --> 01:12:16,626
work on the court side of things and just wondering, I I welcome the opportunity for

789
01:12:16,626 --> 01:12:20,631
for the different elected offices to talk about what are some broader legislative

790
01:12:20,631 --> 01:12:26,103
actions that we should be thinking about because our ability to make sure people

791
01:12:26,103 --> 01:12:33,510
are ATC population is down and just as important or more important to the individuals

792
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:37,848
and their families that those people are getting the right care at the right time in the

793
01:12:37,848 --> 01:12:42,787
right place sooner then happening now. And so if there's anything that we can

794
01:12:42,787 --> 01:12:46,190
be doing to align our actions on that, I welcome that because, know, it's a shared

795
01:12:46,190 --> 01:12:50,394
goal. >> Thank you. You know, the state obviously plays a role

796
01:12:50,394 --> 01:12:54,865
that regard in terms of beds facing state facilities and whatnot. But I obviously want

797
01:12:54,865 --> 01:13:01,138
to make sure. You know, we're providing the best cure in custody during the pretrial

798
01:13:01,138 --> 01:13:05,810
post trial. If they go to the state to C C F but also for ruled 20's for folks with

799
01:13:05,810 --> 01:13:10,347
severe and persistent mental illness. You know that that rule 20 process can take quite

800
01:13:10,347 --> 01:13:15,218
a while and what is the best housing environment? excellent questions think would

801
01:13:15,218 --> 01:13:20,157
definitely welcome the opportunity to be part conversation. Thank you.

802
01:13:20,157 --> 01:13:24,961
>> Commissioners thank you. Madam first couple to the adult Detention Center. Jail

803
01:13:24,961 --> 01:13:34,561
average daily population. You know, I think a part of Measure you listed in the fine

804
01:13:35,639 --> 01:13:42,980
print down here about just who's in our jail and our custody the racial

805
01:13:42,980 --> 01:13:45,916
disparities. I think it's important for us to like just continue to like work on that.

806
01:13:45,916 --> 01:13:52,990
But then also we've done a lot of work, Ali, U.S. and I know it's different. But similar

807
01:13:52,990 --> 01:13:57,528
approach about, you know, how can we decrease and what can we do on our end to decrease

808
01:13:57,528 --> 01:14:05,602
the jail for example, at why JT I just heard that at juvenile detention center.

809
01:14:05,602 --> 01:14:10,340
We're now at one person that were holding. So it's big, tremendous effort through the

810
01:14:10,340 --> 01:14:15,679
rain, which is a risk assessment too. I know that, you know, probably under

811
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:20,551
different rules for adults in the letter back in 2000 and >> the former board give us an

812
01:14:20,551 --> 01:14:27,224
award for that to say 2 million with when we implemented that 9, I think.

813
01:14:27,224 --> 01:14:32,429
>> Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I would definitely like you know, as we move forward to

814
01:14:32,429 --> 01:14:37,901
think more strategically about that. And I don't know the policy has changed from what I

815
01:14:37,901 --> 01:14:43,306
last toward, but we're going to se more on Howe's. People are going to see more people

816
01:14:43,306 --> 01:14:50,781
would just like how your need that we should be taking like tracking so I think it would

817
01:14:50,781 --> 01:14:54,919
be hopeful for us to just break down the daily population of who's under like

818
01:14:54,919 --> 01:15:04,919
a rule 20 proceeding or who's waiting for a court to just to like. a dive United before

819
01:15:05,395 --> 01:15:09,266
like that. >> Top 6 or 7 like awaiting trial awaiting transfer the

820
01:15:09,266 --> 01:15:13,937
state waiting ruled 20 holding. have that Tmplet all lined him. That would be a

821
01:15:13,937 --> 01:15:18,809
point in time measure but a measure we could produce. Okay. Yeah. That would be

822
01:15:18,809 --> 01:15:25,282
really helpful. >> And then my I just want to and thank sheriff lecture for

823
01:15:25,282 --> 01:15:31,288
closing the pot as you all had committed to working through the plan of adding more

824
01:15:31,288 --> 01:15:38,495
staffing and capacity to the jail and then my other question around some of the

825
01:15:38,495 --> 01:15:44,101
overall like, you know, organizational excellence is, you know, are there are

826
01:15:44,101 --> 01:15:48,238
services that are currently provided in person that could be moved to online. And is

827
01:15:48,238 --> 01:15:54,911
there a plan for that? >> chair commissioner, I that I cannot think of any at the

828
01:15:54,911 --> 01:16:01,518
top of my ahead. >> Just because we are so public facing, you know, with

829
01:16:01,518 --> 01:16:06,322
with no real options to work from home or remotely like we have implemented, like online

830
01:16:06,322 --> 01:16:11,595
scheduling for a gun permit. Some deficiencies there. But if you take a gun from an

831
01:16:11,595 --> 01:16:15,650
application, you have to verify it's the right person. That's the driver's license.

832
01:16:15,650 --> 01:16:18,402
Make photocopies. If you're taking Baylor by Jeff to receded, right? A lot of give

833
01:16:18,402 --> 01:16:25,200
you receipt. I really have to think it on a >> Okay.

834
01:16:28,412 --> 01:16:34,885
>> And for when you mention overall budget, just like where some of the revenue is

835
01:16:34,885 --> 01:16:41,485
coming through. When was the last fees were Fee schedules changed.

836
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:48,231
>> Madam Chair Commissioners, you we were here in July. >> And the lead for the

837
01:16:48,231 --> 01:16:54,438
security services fee increase to one 24 hour. We were here a year before that to the one 10

838
01:16:54,438 --> 01:17:01,111
rate up from the 100. We do look at all of our fees as part of two-year budget

839
01:17:01,111 --> 01:17:05,515
process and do the analysis and make recommendations around There are some fees are

840
01:17:05,515 --> 01:17:13,457
set by statute. And so. You know, if we can justify it, will charge the statutory But

841
01:17:13,457 --> 01:17:19,195
other than that, we do. We do look a lot at fees, you know, with encouraging for my

842
01:17:19,195 --> 01:17:24,401
friend, Alex, about adding a bit over head, do it. So we've weve got treated in that space

843
01:17:24,401 --> 01:17:31,141
as well to help recover those costs and what that might look Some hands blocked by statute.

844
01:17:31,141 --> 01:17:36,480
And not we we do market analysis to see whether agencies are charging. What

845
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:39,961
can be justified based labor contracts, benefits, risk mitigation. Most certain key

846
01:17:39,961 --> 01:17:44,310
points and then bring that proposal back to you guys for that discussion. Ultimate

847
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:48,969
approval. Okay. >> And then last point to, as you know, as we are rolling

848
01:17:48,969 --> 01:17:55,643
our new technology around our budget for go with the name what date? What work day? Yes.

849
01:17:55,643 --> 01:18:00,982
May we get for the next budget? Just like a closer breakdown of like those where

850
01:18:00,982 --> 01:18:05,530
you're seeing increases in cost. And you have mentioned ready around food, Kohl's,

851
01:18:05,530 --> 01:18:11,653
Andrea security technology that would be helpful. Okay. Yes. Thank you.

852
01:18:12,860 --> 01:18:21,602
>> I so I the questions here doing good time. We are all doing it. But due to some huge

853
01:18:21,602 --> 01:18:25,473
disparities of those who have been booked into the jail is typically with that, that

854
01:18:25,473 --> 01:18:31,346
community where we want and I-5 to 7% of the population. But we are booked at 51%. It's

855
01:18:31,346 --> 01:18:40,946
always just wondering if you can't share what green again and more of that residence and

856
01:18:41,288 --> 01:18:45,226
2 that into the jail system. What are you seen? >> Thank you, commissioner.

857
01:18:45,226 --> 01:18:51,232
Think that's a great question. And it's also. You know, similar disparities are you

858
01:18:51,232 --> 01:18:54,769
know, other parts of deliveries of public service, child protection. whatever you

859
01:18:54,769 --> 01:19:00,308
know, for in terms of the jail. The jail is there. Arresting people are bringing

860
01:19:00,308 --> 01:19:07,508
them to the jail. You know, other agencies are. So there's why?

861
01:19:07,515 --> 01:19:11,519
>> Well, for probable cause that a crime has been committed makes its way porch.

862
01:19:11,519 --> 01:19:15,724
You know that the Chinese will weigh in if judge will, you know, the individual make

863
01:19:15,724 --> 01:19:19,927
their way through the court process. So we don't control who comes there. But what we

864
01:19:19,927 --> 01:19:25,199
do control is how we care for folks in custody. my question is when someone is in the

865
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:31,406
community that is arrested. What I been arrested for. So we what is bringing them

866
01:19:31,406 --> 01:19:37,406
there. What's the crime was? The incident has happened. >> Okay.

867
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,224
>> Yes. I'm just like with what is the incident that has happened, that that you are

868
01:19:49,224 --> 01:19:59,224
seen on the record as of 4? know Rob Murray or murder or domestic abuse. What is what

869
01:20:00,167 --> 01:20:02,837
we've seen? What is the data telling table grape, pull that together, bringing them in

870
01:20:02,837 --> 01:20:08,309
high numbers and then what would it take? You know, I'm thinking what would it take?

871
01:20:08,309 --> 01:20:16,251
Sabrina numbers, Dow, what is happening here right? We need to see a visual that what what

872
01:20:16,251 --> 01:20:23,858
that? We've talked a lot about significant pressure around 20. And what that brings into

873
01:20:23,858 --> 01:20:31,599
a saved significant everal 20. I've been move yeah. That's a significant pressure for us.

874
01:20:31,599 --> 01:20:38,339
It hold together. I think those conversations best start with some data doing you know,

875
01:20:38,339 --> 01:20:41,542
potential policy discussions or other decisions. And we have the data well worded of

876
01:20:41,542 --> 01:20:46,613
people, you >> Like the data. But I think once we have the data it's a

877
01:20:46,613 --> 01:20:50,840
sheriff said, you know, we can have a second 3rd, 4003th conversation around that

878
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:56,900
right? I think there will be helpful. >> You know, the word in has

879
01:20:56,900 --> 01:21:04,632
seen. lot of what we do is to a prevention lands, right? You know But way too late if

880
01:21:04,632 --> 01:21:11,105
they're consistently are being driven into the system. And so if we, you you don't talk much

881
01:21:11,105 --> 01:21:16,844
about community partners, but I know you do work with community. Yes and have

882
01:21:16,844 --> 01:21:22,116
community play a role and supporting those individuals so that maybe they're repeat

883
01:21:22,116 --> 01:21:29,657
offenders may be there violating probation. don't know right. And so I think be

884
01:21:29,657 --> 01:21:37,731
helpful to be able to see what was driving those numbers out so much and with an eye to his

885
01:21:37,731 --> 01:21:44,472
mental health, you that would be helpful to be able know and all the other you can get that

886
01:21:44,472 --> 01:21:53,348
he shared that fact. That would awesome. All right. That was my. Thank you. See here

887
01:21:53,348 --> 01:22:02,890
from moment it was something else that was tied I hate to hear. All I just want to also

888
01:22:02,890 --> 01:22:09,497
shared you. You gave us some numbers around expungement process. I know my office is

889
01:22:09,497 --> 01:22:15,569
working on doing expungement And so whatever help that the sheriff's office can give us

890
01:22:15,569 --> 01:22:20,574
to put together to We have judges who have asked that needs to be a part of this

891
01:22:20,574 --> 01:22:25,713
process. It would be great if you can help. Help us with that. up to All right. Thank

892
01:22:25,713 --> 01:22:34,789
you. With that. We're going to hand it over commissioner just mentor. You brought up great

893
01:22:34,789 --> 01:22:38,989
question about what is thing that people. ?

894
01:22:41,262 --> 01:22:45,799
>> it's a great conversation to have. And I happy if you keep those numbers what does

895
01:22:45,799 --> 01:22:49,203
what brings them in there? And then I think it's going to be a good conversation we have

896
01:22:49,203 --> 01:22:55,677
with our county attorney who is, you know, the one charging these 2 who sends them

897
01:22:55,677 --> 01:22:58,879
two-year send them to your facility and I think it needs to be, you know, we all need

898
01:22:58,879 --> 01:23:03,151
to be concerned about how do we prevent these and how how do we do early intervention on

899
01:23:03,151 --> 01:23:08,155
these? And so I'm glad you're keeping. And if you're keeping those numbers, that would be

900
01:23:08,155 --> 01:23:12,760
good for us to. Health and all of early intervention and prevention work. And I think

901
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:18,900
it is a good conversation. Like I said to have their county attorney as well. And

902
01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:21,102
it brings up the question that I will ask our county attorney as well as you know, how are

903
01:23:21,102 --> 01:23:28,175
we working with our local law enforcement to get their numbers do they funneled

904
01:23:28,175 --> 01:23:32,647
through to us. I mean, you for your contract cities. You keeping track of what your

905
01:23:32,647 --> 01:23:37,251
officers in the contract cities are finding out in the community and what's bringing

906
01:23:37,251 --> 01:23:43,925
them to charged. You know, just an inch or up in the city's and then they they get

907
01:23:43,925 --> 01:23:48,529
charged by the county attorney. So you're kind of at the beginning. And and and

908
01:23:48,529 --> 01:23:53,600
there's someone in the middle there. It's it's a process. But sure get the contract.

909
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:59,873
He's a quarterly report. >> Recaps calls for those parts. There's an online Web

910
01:23:59,873 --> 01:24:04,879
site with the BCA that this crime data should good metrics out there publicly available

911
01:24:04,879 --> 01:24:12,695
and then some internal work. We do. But the contract cities for try and give calls for

912
01:24:12,695 --> 01:24:15,764
service today. >> And thank thank you for bringing that decision. Madam

913
01:24:15,764 --> 01:24:19,168
Chair, that I'm glad keeping data. And that may be part of a workshop. Then, you know, is

914
01:24:19,168 --> 01:24:22,771
how or what are we seeing in our communities an you know how are all of our

915
01:24:22,771 --> 01:24:29,978
departments, you know, working and how we can you know, best, you know, keep those numbers

916
01:24:29,978 --> 01:24:36,652
low. So yeah, thank Thank So let me just say You know, when that individual is picked up

917
01:24:36,652 --> 01:24:45,461
to pick even before they are charged anything. >> If you And so it is a

918
01:24:45,461 --> 01:24:49,999
partnership between think our county attorneys office, community-based organizations.

919
01:24:49,999 --> 01:24:58,999
A mental health professional. comprehensive, you It can be if we weren't toys that type

920
01:25:01,343 --> 01:25:07,149
And so it would be I think it's just going to be helpful. to figure out why this is high

921
01:25:07,149 --> 01:25:13,956
numbers. This is a small population. All right. And whether are repeat offenders.

922
01:25:13,956 --> 01:25:20,295
Christina is like how can we see into checked into some of that right for whatever

923
01:25:20,295 --> 01:25:26,301
reason, because we don't want always to be a police right? Or county attorney issue. You

924
01:25:26,301 --> 01:25:33,575
know, I to say it's like all of our problems. how do the part of the solutions in how

925
01:25:33,575 --> 01:25:41,500
do we want people to be? Putting into a system that calls E the and that the harm

926
01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:47,857
to the system worked to communities. I seem your flesh are here and you want to add

927
01:25:47,857 --> 01:25:51,794
to conversation of it's very important to me as well. >> If you want to change the

928
01:25:51,794 --> 01:25:57,999
numbers in our facility. >> We need to do more work with youth.

929
01:25:57,999 --> 01:26:03,720
>> Because that is the precursor to their appearance in our jail. We try to do a

930
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:09,545
lot as much as we can. But I would make that one of the top priorities of the county to

931
01:26:09,545 --> 01:26:14,216
help our use developing a healthy way so they don't visit our facilities in the

932
01:26:14,216 --> 01:26:20,155
future. >> Thank you for sharing. And I agree. And if

933
01:26:20,155 --> 01:26:28,831
>> So with that, we have. We have a cake this is very different scene. Okay,

934
01:26:28,831 --> 01:26:32,768
contingency. I just I just want to say because you open up the conversation on the

935
01:26:32,768 --> 01:26:38,440
contract cities. I just want to say thank you. You know, one of the reasons

936
01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:41,710
>> I had an of getting to know different members of the sheriff's office in the last

937
01:26:41,710 --> 01:26:45,114
year and a half is because of so many the contract cities are my district and mking

938
01:26:45,114 --> 01:26:54,114
sure to make sure folks know and that that the sheriff's office is an independently

939
01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:57,526
elected office that share from occur almost acts as chief of police. And they're in there

940
01:26:57,526 --> 01:27:03,131
for respective cities of their contract cities that those are relationships between the

941
01:27:03,131 --> 01:27:05,200
municipality's themselves. And and you as far as level of service, that contracts that

942
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:11,406
all of that and just making sure that all of that is going as smoothly as possible

943
01:27:11,406 --> 01:27:15,678
because people in community don't always know who's making decisions on water, who to

944
01:27:15,678 --> 01:27:22,170
call if they have questions. So I just want to say I appreciate that ongoing

945
01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:24,850
conversation. Communications that were directing people to the right place for the right

946
01:27:24,850 --> 01:27:31,159
answer. So the right questions I bring up something. But in a way that just a hope opens us

947
01:27:31,159 --> 01:27:35,964
up for for positive conversation in a future workshop. I know that there.

948
01:27:35,964 --> 01:27:38,300
>> Ramsey County League local governments is hosting a discussion around flock

949
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:42,905
cameras tomorrow. I know are our partners in Saint Paul have have made their thoughts

950
01:27:42,905 --> 01:27:48,577
known one of 19 cities within Ramsey County. And we're an entity that works with the

951
01:27:48,577 --> 01:27:53,982
different jurisdictions. And so I just I believe that we anticipate there being we've

952
01:27:53,982 --> 01:27:59,388
been an ongoing policy discussions as different entities has different issues

953
01:27:59,388 --> 01:28:04,660
happen throughout the community over the year and just for transparency in

954
01:28:04,660 --> 01:28:11,466
awareness and sharing information, I believe, will now that the fairs over that

955
01:28:11,466 --> 01:28:17,205
they'll be some potential time for us to address these issues and talk about these things.

956
01:28:17,205 --> 01:28:21,676
And if people have questions in the meantime, how would they directors call? So if

957
01:28:21,676 --> 01:28:24,813
they live in say, sure, viewer North Oaks or something and they want to know about that

958
01:28:24,813 --> 01:28:30,152
issue from you directly. >> Look, live in our contract cities. They should be

959
01:28:30,152 --> 01:28:35,891
directed to Undersheriff Graham occur that serves as the chief of those cities. He

960
01:28:35,891 --> 01:28:41,163
handles many of them City councils have been asking. I think you have a copy of the

961
01:28:41,163 --> 01:28:48,360
memo that he sent to them. People can always call me. I'm pretty accessible. We're

962
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:54,643
looking forward to discussion. I think that the flock debate really. Should be handling the

963
01:28:54,643 --> 01:29:01,243
legislative. The sate of Minnesota Legislature think uniform policy across all

964
01:29:02,451 --> 01:29:06,588
jurisdictions. So there's not hodgepodge approach to this is the best way know Mr. McNair,

965
01:29:06,588 --> 01:29:14,463
trees. Life has. Author and some legislation in the past. We welcome that discussion.

966
01:29:14,463 --> 01:29:20,202
And we think that's a place to start. They're clearly many things that can be discussed.

967
01:29:20,202 --> 01:29:27,409
Retention of data. Guidelines for who can access the What it guidelines for searching,

968
01:29:27,409 --> 01:29:33,816
which already exist. But clearly the ability, you know, on a stolen goes by an

969
01:29:33,816 --> 01:29:41,156
intersection is one of the reasons that crime is down in Ramsey County. cannot lose

970
01:29:41,156 --> 01:29:46,695
that ability to identify still in tatters. can control many other things in the process.

971
01:29:46,695 --> 01:29:53,502
And we're welcome to do that. >> And we welcome that discussion. But I in terms of

972
01:29:53,502 --> 01:29:57,973
transparency, think I've been pretty transparent. My opinion flock. It's the most valuable

973
01:29:57,973 --> 01:30:02,378
tool, but I've seen in 40 years to help us reduce crime. And we have done that in the

974
01:30:02,378 --> 01:30:07,449
past 3 years. So we will have discussion, I think, in November with the cunty board

975
01:30:07,449 --> 01:30:12,721
how you want to wigh in and we'll continue to hve discussion but I don't think

976
01:30:12,721 --> 01:30:18,660
we're going to be attending the meeting tomorrow night. >> not county manager. Yeah, I

977
01:30:18,660 --> 01:30:23,865
do want to step i here because I wanted to share what we've been from from my level

978
01:30:23,865 --> 01:30:29,938
with Deputy County Manager Reyes and why we need a little time to do some due diligence

979
01:30:29,938 --> 01:30:36,551
as part of our assessment. You know, we a year ago, I know Sheriff, you are here. We talk

980
01:30:36,551 --> 01:30:38,620
a little bit about the contract provisions and things like that. We've been talking

981
01:30:38,620 --> 01:30:44,293
our county attorney, obviously to focus on, you know what, within those contracts we can

982
01:30:44,293 --> 01:30:50,320
continue to look at for you now, some compliance and oversight. But before we do

983
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:55,236
any of that, want to remind people we a county that is comprised of it. As I said

984
01:30:55,236 --> 01:31:00,708
earlier today, 18 cities in one township and they're represented by all the

985
01:31:00,708 --> 01:31:04,179
different municipalities. In addition to multiple law enforcement agencies. In

986
01:31:04,179 --> 01:31:09,184
addition to our own sheriff who serves as both the sheriff of the county and also the

987
01:31:09,184 --> 01:31:15,924
contacted law enforcement for several of our cities. I hve engaged our city

988
01:31:15,924 --> 01:31:21,329
administrators. They have been a very quick to respond with some conversation. I sent a

989
01:31:21,329 --> 01:31:26,401
survey out to them to understand their perspectives and their local communities in

990
01:31:26,401 --> 01:31:31,606
partnership with their local law enforcement. And I have a meeting later this month,

991
01:31:31,606 --> 01:31:37,612
which is my kind every other month meeting with the city administrators. And I want to

992
01:31:37,612 --> 01:31:43,686
just give ourselves the time to have those conversations in order to understand what our

993
01:31:43,686 --> 01:31:47,489
communities are thinking. We are much more than one community. And so we need to

994
01:31:47,489 --> 01:31:52,270
think about all tose partners. Ad I want to bring all that information to the

995
01:31:52,270 --> 01:31:57,899
board in a meaningful way. As you continue to engage with the sheriff has one of the

996
01:31:57,899 --> 01:32:02,771
partners in that in that work. So that is wy we're it's going to take a little bit of

997
01:32:02,771 --> 01:32:07,108
time to do the due diligence is a strong belief of mine that that is the good

998
01:32:07,108 --> 01:32:14,716
governance of the county board. And I would recommend that we do that work with that

999
01:32:14,716 --> 01:32:18,530
due diligence. It is our responsibility to understand how this technology is being

1000
01:32:18,530 --> 01:32:23,570
used to ensure that there are appropriate protections and oversight are i place. We

1001
01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:28,463
should identify areas where there's additional attention and information that we need.

1002
01:32:28,463 --> 01:32:32,200
And that's what I've asked the city administrators. They have questions about an additional

1003
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,804
information they could use. And so that is one of the I think the rules of the county

1004
01:32:36,804 --> 01:32:42,210
is to ensure we have consistent information across our community for all our

1005
01:32:42,210 --> 01:32:45,680
policymakers. So I'm gonna take that responsibility with that became manager very

1006
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:49,617
seriously. Thank you for giving me some time. consultant with chair take

1007
01:32:49,617 --> 01:32:54,220
about meeting the time to do that. Well, for the board. And so thank And I can answer

1008
01:32:54,220 --> 01:32:58,760
another question. I want to you guys. The board knew what I what Deputy County Manager

1009
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:04,366
Reyes and I have been doing so thank you. >> And I would just I would

1010
01:33:04,366 --> 01:33:09,905
just say that, you know, we're facing a time of great mistrust in government

1011
01:33:09,905 --> 01:33:13,107
universally at every level. And so what I'm hearing from community from every political

1012
01:33:13,107 --> 01:33:20,449
stripe is as much as we can show our work to demonstrate the stewardship of resources,

1013
01:33:20,449 --> 01:33:23,318
data information, public safety, all of those things in every level, whether that's

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when we take a tree down park or we handle some of these care and custody. I think any

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01:33:28,923 --> 01:33:31,993
time we have the opportunity share information that's helpful for people to trust

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01:33:31,993 --> 01:33:37,866
that the work that we're doing is in their best interests. I I appreciate need respond to

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that. >> I don't regarding law enforcement. You may have

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01:33:44,206 --> 01:33:48,900
distrust of government in general. But Ihave to tell you, I've been at this for

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01:33:48,900 --> 01:33:55,550
many years. We're experiencing great support and great trust from our communities in the

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01:33:55,550 --> 01:34:02,824
job we're doing. We get higher marks in all evaluations that occur in your contract cities.

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And every indication is that the community at large trust us. I've been in bad times in

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the past in my 40 plus year career. But I think to characterize it as a time of

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01:34:17,438 --> 01:34:22,778
great mistrust, not for law enforcement that maybe you can speak for other elected

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01:34:22,778 --> 01:34:29,250
officials. But I can tell you we get constant. Thank you's for the work that we're doing

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01:34:29,250 --> 01:34:34,500
constant and we appreciate that. >> so we also.

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>> Sure that our future decision-making reflects continuation of that growing

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01:34:41,530 --> 01:34:47,100
trust. >> And I think my my comments there on this particular topic

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01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:54,750
have to do with people. People do have strong thoughts on the technology to use and all of

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01:34:54,750 --> 01:34:58,480
that. And that's beyond any particular public safety's department. It's this

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01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:02,284
particular technology and the use of it. And I think that you know, trust but verify is

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01:35:02,284 --> 01:35:07,221
is a part of our stewardship of that dta. So I just I welcome that said that you're

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01:35:07,221 --> 01:35:13,294
open continuing these conversations. Thank you. >> What desn't it comes his

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own and quite well before we leave? I do want to say one thing, though, I know thing

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introduced director long as doctor long. And that's great. I just want to point out that

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me counties that is about to be. >> Doctor means In the final

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01:35:33,181 --> 01:35:37,452
stage of his district Haitian by the end of the . >> It's like The Wizard of Oz.

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01:35:37,452 --> 01:35:43,925
We'll have we'll have the diploma now to go with But we always refer to him as our

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01:35:43,925 --> 01:35:45,860
smartest man. He is our smartest man. You know, he is more knowledgeable than

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anything. But I just very proud of this young And the topic is the relationship

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between county boards, county sheriffs and >> county administrators and

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Minnesota. hopefully are 264 pages will be published shortly.

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>> he had would think you for that update about what the public is really saying about

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the sheriff's office in law enforcement. You know, think sometimes we live in world of

1044
01:36:13,488 --> 01:36:19,761
conspiracy theories that is ramp it. And I just law enforcement are out meaning

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01:36:19,761 --> 01:36:26,234
things. This is this conspiracy theories. yes, I feel sometimes out of control,

1046
01:36:26,234 --> 01:36:31,973
but I think it is important that, you know, if you can help us what you doing with if

1047
01:36:31,973 --> 01:36:35,110
Mason, what is the tracking? What is the utilization of the information being used for

1048
01:36:35,110 --> 01:36:44,110
just to give us some more information that can happen. that see no understand. What

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01:36:45,253 --> 01:36:51,126
are we cameras for right? we shared information with I think that would be helpful

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01:36:51,126 --> 01:36:59,526
for just the public in General. agree. Next. I'm going to go back to

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Commissioner John in the choir. Yes, thank you. >> Yeah, I I appreciate candid

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01:37:05,609 --> 01:37:08,345
conversation right now as we're talking about the mistrust in government because

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01:37:08,345 --> 01:37:13,170
I do also want to add the contacts that sheriff, I respect that you're

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01:37:13,170 --> 01:37:17,955
approaching it from alaw enforcement point of view of how technology health and

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01:37:17,955 --> 01:37:22,960
advocacy for state level guidance and how that technology is used. And I also

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01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:29,967
want to put us in the context of where we are in right now of just surveillance and then

1057
01:37:29,967 --> 01:37:36,907
also where federal funds are going to 2 large detention centers for immigration

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01:37:36,907 --> 01:37:43,647
enforcement. So I just want to put us in that context to say that there it's conversation,

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a perspective that requires all policymakers, especially where we see where the money

1060
01:37:48,852 --> 01:37:55,125
is going. And then also to let the deregulation at the federal level around use of

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01:37:55,125 --> 01:38:03,467
technology and people's data privacy, all of that leads to people and very hard

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01:38:03,467 --> 01:38:08,205
situations where even through legal processes they cannot get their ID. They cannot get

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01:38:08,205 --> 01:38:14,770
their immigration. People in fear of being deported and detained which is happening.

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01:38:14,770 --> 01:38:20,417
We just met with Wilder, for example, and they're talking folks who really basically in

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01:38:20,417 --> 01:38:26,157
limbo and also at rsk of losing additional benefits from both federal and state.

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01:38:26,157 --> 01:38:30,761
That will add a strain on to our county budget. So I just want to put that in contacts

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01:38:30,761 --> 01:38:36,900
and just we want to make sure that we have conversation going and you know, the you

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self additional technology here. So thank you for being open to that. as continue on

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01:38:46,510 --> 01:38:49,513
with that, because I think it's a good conversation to be having an a

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>> appreciate my colleagues. I just want to say that it's been amazing to think all of

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01:38:55,519 --> 01:39:00,324
us that and we appreciate that. You distinguish yourself so that people do trust local

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01:39:00,324 --> 01:39:06,997
law enforcement. But they're very if distrust full of Nash, you know, of anything at the

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01:39:06,997 --> 01:39:10,401
federal level, federal immigration officials, any of that? You know, we we we know

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01:39:10,401 --> 01:39:15,272
they were calling you to protect them from immigration coming you know, so we know

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01:39:15,272 --> 01:39:21,780
that there's a distinction there. And so I I would say that. I my my residents are

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01:39:21,780 --> 01:39:27,551
not the testing of all levels of law enforcement date. They're happy to be supporting

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01:39:27,551 --> 01:39:32,490
local or B, okay with the local but not not the national. And that's what we

1078
01:39:32,490 --> 01:39:39,630
have to really balance out. And I just would concur with my colleagues on the the

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01:39:39,630 --> 01:39:43,167
diligence that we need have is a board all of these that the technology and the the work

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that we're doing. I mean, we don't want people uniforms being at our our election

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01:39:50,307 --> 01:39:53,711
center site because people are nervous about So I think if they saw a Ramsey County

1082
01:39:53,711 --> 01:39:57,782
sheriff there, they would be much better than an invasion. But we don't we're not a lot.

1083
01:39:57,782 --> 01:40:04,655
You know, we're not having you know, those things happen. So just to appreciate the work

1084
01:40:04,655 --> 01:40:11,661
that we need to do together to help residents feel safe and secure. So thank you. And we

1085
01:40:11,661 --> 01:40:17,201
look over issue voting stake in response it. Yeah, al those things are real all at

1086
01:40:17,201 --> 01:40:23,600
one time writing. So yeah, the work we do. >> relationship partnership

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01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:28,745
really crucially important. Important to us as a county. So thank congratulations on

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01:40:28,745 --> 01:40:34,418
that before Doctor okay. Congratulations and thank you for the work that you do.

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01:40:34,418 --> 01:40:40,491
Florida rsidents, Ramsey County. And so with that, going to break for lunch. is

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now about almost to a 15 will be back at one 15. All right. Thank you.

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? ? Okay. I want to welcome

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everybody. Everyone back to the Ramsey County Budget Committee of the Home.

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>> In afternoon session, we have Ramsey County Attorney office that would be

1160
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presenting to us this afternoon. >> And so it will be OK if I

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02:00:29,304 --> 02:00:37,104
county attorney John Shore. >> Thank you. good afternoon, Madam Chair members of the

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board of Commissioners and county manager and staff. vry pleased to be here today this

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afternoon to present to Some of the performance measures that we are checking jointly

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02:00:55,462 --> 02:01:02,870
with the board and the county manager at our office. Before I begin, I want to thank

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specifically my staff, Chris Tolbert in the cold for spent countless hours making sure

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that we are aligned with orchestrating the data we're percent today so that we're in

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02:01:12,614 --> 02:01:20,555
alignment. And so with that the action, gt right into it. And then I think I'll get

1168
02:01:20,555 --> 02:01:28,229
through this relatively quickly spend whatever time all of you want questions that

1169
02:01:28,229 --> 02:01:35,369
you might have insider observation that could help us. better court did with the

1170
02:01:35,369 --> 02:01:42,176
county's overall call. We really d appreciate I know that some of the values and

1171
02:01:42,176 --> 02:01:47,181
vision that were established by some of prior board members. But still, there are

1172
02:01:47,181 --> 02:01:54,322
people here. But every day when I open up my computer, you know, I see Rams the

1173
02:01:54,322 --> 02:01:58,593
Ramsey County, we'll and all of those values and vision that.

1174
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>> And I think that is so critical for us. All of to get to that vision of one.

1175
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>> Ramsey County recognizing that certainly we have different roles and know our

1176
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statutory duties and elective offices. just I want to hear I want you to hear it from me

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that from my perspective as an elected official independently elected, that it's very

1178
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critical for us to be aligned with this board and the work of all of the other

1179
02:02:30,291 --> 02:02:35,563
departments throughout Ramsey County because when we are all pulling in the same direction,

1180
02:02:35,563 --> 02:02:41,702
we're going to accomplish so much more. And I think that's the gist Ramsey County and the

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02:02:41,702 --> 02:02:49,711
East Metro is truly a shining example. Of what happens around when leaders come

1182
02:02:49,711 --> 02:02:54,982
together. They stopped believing in criticizing each other and can focus what the

1183
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people want us to be focusing on, which are the outcome which will be talking about

1184
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:04,992
here today. I know that you've heard from the sheriff earlier, but he talked a lot

1185
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about the reductions violent crime. >> All of the good things that

1186
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are happening around the public safety. And I'm sure was the first to tell you that

1187
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none of that happens in a silo are individually, but truly is a collaboration of working

1188
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between agencies but also with their community. And a lot of really good things have

1189
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happened. And so we take to some of the values is teaching values at the county board is

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put into place aout 10 or in community and all of those transformational goals. So

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>> just a little description, especially for some of the folks that might be relatively

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to the board. We have a of a 360 Ft ease. I think often times when you think about the

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county attorney's office, >> we often tend to the news is the prosecution function,

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this the function that if state statute that has 87 elected county attorneys and

1195
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there's a big part of that job certainly. Around the performance of the prosecution

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function, course, at county level we prosecute and focus on it for the adults. The

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adult felony crimes. And then there are misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor crimes that

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are mandated by statute that we would handle that city attorneys and of course,

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attorneys would handle on the adult side. All of the misdemeanor level It would

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which would be their jurisdiction. So in that prosecution function, kind of

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divide up our office into a number of divisions. And so we have a pretrial justice

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division and that is te group that is led by Sarah Corey here who our division director

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at her. >> Team. What they do is they will receive cases from the

1204
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police because we're a complaint basis the police. Don't go knocking on people's

1205
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door. Dash cam they've been a victim of a crime, they investigated if they think

1206
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that the case should be prosecuted, they submit to our office. And so in that what's

1207
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critically important is that we make the right decisions about whether or not from an

1208
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ethical standpoint we have sufficient evidence to charge a particular case. And that

1209
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division will also make determinations about diversion. And we're going to

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talk a little bit about diversion today. >> They also have the

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treatment court. They also do of the welfare fraud investigations. We have a

1212
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number of investigators that work in that division and they have done a great job. In

1213
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working on what they're supposed to be doing person our legal duties.

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>> And we then we have trials division and that's where the bulk of our prosecutors are.

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in that division is led by how when who could be here today. But and must people Lesko on

1216
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the assistant division directors and then in a place Ryan plan here today. But that

1217
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that that is our largest prosecution division. And, you know, there was a time and

1218
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that division, it's still yet today. But of the big issues that we had a lot of people

1219
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leaving. And we the county manager, Labor relations and this board for the work that

1220
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you did too in mid just some of those wges. And so no, the experience leaving our Gore

1221
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has stopped. We still have mental workload issues, but that really made a difference.

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I want to just thank you for that. And then, of we also have our victim witness a post

1223
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conviction, just a vision that division was led by Tammy McConkey who some of you have

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met over the years. She is retired and now an econ has taken her place. But that is

1225
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the division where all of our advocates victim, witness advocates work. And so we have

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a great group folks that are working with victims and witnesses to make sure that

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they have all of their questions answered that we support them in. We fulfill

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our ethical its statutory duties under the victim rights statute. And then that

1229
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division is also doing some of the work around the expungement, which we will

1230
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talk about today's performance measures. The prosecutor initiated expungements and

1231
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then they're also working on the re-sentencing with things that are more post conviction

1232
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related when somebody is claiming in a centre we had to do the the the review Doctor

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McKee's cases that work happens out of that particular division and then the and then

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we have the civil side of our office. that part of our office. We are biggest

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division is our Human Services legal division. And in that division, we have a child

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protection attorneys and they work very closely with us for this. This Asian state. And

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that partnership is really, really critical. And then we have our civil commitment

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attorneys and that's division where they have increased experienced a huge influx of

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just Brooke Loewe tissues. Just the numbers of people that are coming to the

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02:08:33,536 --> 02:08:36,939
attention of a civil commitment. Attorneys through the criminal court or

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02:08:36,939 --> 02:08:41,277
otherwise as dramatically expanded. And so and we've been able to move some

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resources in that area. And we again, appreciate the support of the board to help us with

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02:08:49,219 --> 02:08:53,756
that workload. In addition to those 2 functions, we also have our child support legal

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02:08:53,756 --> 02:08:59,756
function. That supports. Our child support program. interestingly, Ramsey County

1245
02:09:02,970 --> 02:09:06,770
is the only county where the child support program is actually administered out of

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02:09:06,770 --> 02:09:14,177
the county attorney's office that. decision was made long long ago when I was a young

1247
02:09:14,177 --> 02:09:19,315
child to the metrics that they why that decision was made. But for te most part, we've

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02:09:19,315 --> 02:09:24,454
had some board workshops around and delving deeper into child support. And we are

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02:09:24,454 --> 02:09:32,610
going to talk about one of their performance indicators and all of my managers are all

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02:09:32,610 --> 02:09:39,869
here at Tryst scope. Hammer is the person child. Support program. So that's kind of our

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02:09:39,869 --> 02:09:45,942
organization. And so if there's any questions that you have plays like in the future

1252
02:09:45,942 --> 02:09:50,279
that you kind of know, how are organizations get always try with me here, the managers

1253
02:09:50,279 --> 02:09:55,618
that, you know, but we'll get you connected to the right place. So the strategic

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02:09:55,618 --> 02:10:01,910
priority for the county that we really connect to its. Obviously lot of the work

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02:10:01,910 --> 02:10:07,363
would be in the justice transformation generational wealth and economic justice

1256
02:10:07,363 --> 02:10:13,503
and at the sme time, also to racial and health equity ensure community collar. And

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02:10:13,503 --> 02:10:16,639
that's something they really want to talk about, because I think that is something that

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02:10:16,639 --> 02:10:23,256
is very, very unique to Ramsey County and the way that we. aligned ourselves with our

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02:10:23,256 --> 02:10:30,797
community. And I think it's actually producing a better version of safety and justice

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will talk a little bit about that would make it too the slide. So on the right side of

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what you're looking at. going to be the performance measures that all delve into a little

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02:10:40,140 --> 02:10:46,613
bit more deeply. So just pause there. And before I get into the each individual

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performance measure. Case, there's any question. Okay. Here we go. So first

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02:10:57,623 --> 02:11:04,697
performance measurement that we're looking at. You know, I'm really proud of leadership

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02:11:04,697 --> 02:11:09,635
of our county and also Washington County because we were the first 2 counties

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02:11:09,635 --> 02:11:16,235
that. Believed that under the state statute around expungements. Typically what

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02:11:17,777 --> 02:11:21,448
would happen before is that was a statute that allowed for people to expunge records. But

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02:11:21,448 --> 02:11:29,722
you had to do it yourself. other words, you had to file application. And it was so

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02:11:29,722 --> 02:11:32,925
complicated that, you know, for many people, they had to hire that attorney. So then

1270
02:11:32,925 --> 02:11:37,464
there was an equity issue there about who had really access to expunge all of, you

1271
02:11:37,464 --> 02:11:44,737
know, a felony conviction can really hold you back, right? We know that intuitively

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02:11:44,737 --> 02:11:52,780
because we are al connected to our community the thought in fact, you know, there's an

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02:11:52,780 --> 02:11:57,817
aspect of the criminal justice system that is focused on that sentence. Some point. We have

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02:11:57,817 --> 02:12:02,955
to stop punishing people when they have a tone for what they've done, they've done,

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02:12:02,955 --> 02:12:09,962
everything that we have asked them to do. Those cloud of consequences. Don't go away.

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02:12:09,962 --> 02:12:16,102
And so we felt that it was important that at least Washington Ramsey County that

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02:12:16,102 --> 02:12:21,841
we use that statute to create some new method or practice of what a prosecutor should do.

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02:12:21,841 --> 02:12:28,915
In addition to securing convictions for those that are guilty. We should also do

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02:12:28,915 --> 02:12:33,920
everything that we can to help people if they're eligible to get expungement. So we

1280
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:42,795
launched in October of 2019 help seal my record dot org. And then a year later, the

1281
02:12:42,795 --> 02:12:51,604
attorney general joined in that effort. And their office. Then how's the website to take

1282
02:12:51,604 --> 02:12:55,875
applications from people? And then the prosecutor around the state who would actually do

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02:12:55,875 --> 02:13:04,484
the filing for you? To avoid a filing fee that would be incurred by the applicant. And

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02:13:04,484 --> 02:13:08,221
if we believe that you are eligible under the statute and you had done the things that

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02:13:08,221 --> 02:13:17,960
you needed to do. We would take that on ourselves. And these are the numbers of

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02:13:17,960 --> 02:13:22,635
people that we have been able to actually get expungement for a sense, the genesis of

1287
02:13:22,635 --> 02:13:29,375
the program. I think there was some initial part of it. I mean, there's only certain

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people are eligible. So there's a lot more work that goes into looking into whether

1289
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or not somebody is eligible for expungement. And that isn't something that's really

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02:13:39,852 --> 02:13:45,457
discretionary us. Actually stab wish by the state statute. And we've had some

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02:13:45,457 --> 02:13:49,395
what you can see that we've kind of got up and down. And this is a big part of just

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02:13:49,395 --> 02:13:55,535
kind of available resources that we have. But article hopefully in the future is to

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02:13:55,535 --> 02:14:02,735
maintain at least being able to actually successfully from this program. Expunge 400

1294
02:14:03,742 --> 02:14:08,814
records for people and hopefully maybe in the future as we think about how to

1295
02:14:08,814 --> 02:14:13,190
utilize artificial intelligence that we think about how just kind of

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02:14:13,190 --> 02:14:17,356
stabilize some of the things that we have going on right now. There pressures maybe we

1297
02:14:17,356 --> 02:14:23,563
can even go more than that. So that's the number of expunge months for help. my record,

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02:14:23,563 --> 02:14:28,168
that org. And sadly think to just for the public sake, you know, the attorney general

1299
02:14:28,168 --> 02:14:35,774
because of some serious budget issues head discontinue their involvement with help. So my

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02:14:35,774 --> 02:14:41,470
record dot org. now today there's only a small handful of counties that Washington

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02:14:41,470 --> 02:14:47,854
Ramsey. I think it's Blue Earth but Hennepin and just a few others that are doing this

1302
02:14:47,854 --> 02:14:53,854
prosecutor initiated re-sentencing. Explain is still available to people. But

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02:14:54,461 --> 02:15:00,333
the prosecutor instead, we'll just respond to the application and they can

1304
02:15:00,333 --> 02:15:04,804
either supported they could take a position that could pose the the request for

1305
02:15:04,804 --> 02:15:13,804
expungement. The next one is also related expungements as well. And this would include a

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02:15:16,810 --> 02:15:19,619
all of the applications that we would act on through the help steal my record DOT org

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02:15:19,619 --> 02:15:28,294
portal. And by the way, that my record dot org. It's a way that we can help easily

1308
02:15:28,294 --> 02:15:32,699
communicate that to people until we've held on to that name. So now that they're

1309
02:15:32,699 --> 02:15:36,769
trying to is that no longer on it? It's there are still allowing us to use their

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02:15:36,769 --> 02:15:43,109
website and that name. Hello to my record at Org was a actually a county expense for

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02:15:43,109 --> 02:15:48,470
She county. So we control that. Don't mean. So we will always continue to use that.

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02:15:48,470 --> 02:15:55,855
So this shows you just like all of the applications our review for some of these. The

1313
02:15:55,855 --> 02:15:59,125
folks are these applications that takes quite some time to get through.

1314
02:15:59,125 --> 02:16:04,397
>> The criminal history. But these are the total numbers of applications that come in

1315
02:16:04,397 --> 02:16:11,597
through helps my record org as well as >> those individuals who are

1316
02:16:13,606 --> 02:16:20,280
filing themselves. And then we would respond. And we're always trying to help people.

1317
02:16:20,280 --> 02:16:23,416
Expunge their criminal record when it's appropriate. In fact, it's one of the most

1318
02:16:23,416 --> 02:16:27,619
important economic development tool shed is proven actually you expunged.

1319
02:16:27,619 --> 02:16:35,419
>> Felony criminal record. On average and the study from your Michigan, that they're

1320
02:16:37,163 --> 02:16:44,437
income will increase by 20%. And so it is I very connected. Also to some of the economic

1321
02:16:44,437 --> 02:16:50,782
justice schools of the county as well. So pause here to front, moved on to the next

1322
02:16:50,782 --> 02:16:55,387
topic. But that's expunge month. And we do appreciate all of the resources that you

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02:16:55,387 --> 02:17:04,987
have given us. In fact, we dedicate. One of our fellows for take action, allowing our

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02:17:05,730 --> 02:17:12,137
office to have fellows in our office. >> That allows us to hire

1325
02:17:12,137 --> 02:17:17,900
people to kind develop the workforce. And we have historically assigned one of

1326
02:17:17,900 --> 02:17:24,209
those attorneys to work in the victim. Witness post conviction, Justice Division.

1327
02:17:24,883 --> 02:17:31,422
>> I want to thank you this work. We have couple of questions. this whole response

1328
02:17:31,422 --> 02:17:37,950
peace is really critical people independence to to get into the workforce, to get

1329
02:17:37,950 --> 02:17:46,950
housing. It just has so many great. Solutions to the problems that we find people.

1330
02:17:46,371 --> 02:17:51,109
Drowning is sometimes when they can just can not enough himself about of.

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02:17:51,109 --> 02:17:56,381
>> The the the incident that they found himself and get them in do have a record.

1332
02:17:56,381 --> 02:18:00,719
>> You know, my office is working in this spot before 9, 0, Steve has been working

1333
02:18:00,719 --> 02:18:05,858
really closely trying to put this together. And so I'm hoping that we can count on

1334
02:18:05,858 --> 02:18:11,530
like you office, the sheriff's office and who have asked to put put in to really do

1335
02:18:11,530 --> 02:18:18,730
effectively. funds meant clinic for residents in my district because my district

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02:18:20,539 --> 02:18:26,144
one district, what is the high number of for many have records. And so it's really

1337
02:18:26,144 --> 02:18:31,160
important to have something in place. But if you don't know how to access it, to go

1338
02:18:31,160 --> 02:18:37,890
through the process to get to spies May 8 because another barrier place. For that

1339
02:18:37,890 --> 02:18:44,229
individual is some time hope families. So Just want to say thank you for your working

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02:18:44,229 --> 02:18:49,901
leadership in this area, right to please advise to community events were always available

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02:18:49,901 --> 02:18:54,840
effect would just have one of one of our attorneys to one of the fellows.

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02:18:54,840 --> 02:19:01,179
>> Went to Metro State on invitation to come. And so we had like a a table there,

1343
02:19:01,179 --> 02:19:08,187
sharing information with people. So we're always interested in coming to a

1344
02:19:08,187 --> 02:19:12,124
community events. And and again, just please refer people because it's really

1345
02:19:12,124 --> 02:19:17,529
simple. Web helps heal my record dot org. And then that will take them to a place

1346
02:19:17,529 --> 02:19:24,690
where they just need click. The Ramsey County been. Okay. Commissioner to scene.

1347
02:19:24,690 --> 02:19:30,408
>> Oh, yes. So I love that. both of these performance measures are together looking

1348
02:19:30,408 --> 02:19:33,780
at the second one. It talks about the number of applications that were

1349
02:19:33,780 --> 02:19:39,218
reviewed and then the number the first one is the number that were actually helped get

1350
02:19:39,218 --> 02:19:49,218
get their records sealed. Does this reflect I mean, I guess question Is some of the issues

1351
02:19:49,227 --> 02:19:54,900
about morning more people to be able to successfully availed himself of this

1352
02:19:54,900 --> 02:19:59,905
opportunity. Is getting the word out? Is that helping them to the process or and also how

1353
02:19:59,905 --> 02:20:06,644
many people who apply. >> For whatever reason are able to records expunged.

1354
02:20:06,644 --> 02:20:11,850
mean, what would be some of the the things is if people are, if people, if we were to

1355
02:20:11,850 --> 02:20:15,387
promote this, I can imagine those are some of the first questions that people would

1356
02:20:15,387 --> 02:20:19,324
ask >> One of the I think just by looking at the 2 slides, you

1357
02:20:19,324 --> 02:20:25,197
could probably get an understanding of maybe what >> is sccessful. And the

1358
02:20:25,197 --> 02:20:30,335
success is that it's it's very much statutorily prevent, right? So if they're only

1359
02:20:30,335 --> 02:20:36,742
certain eligible look a fence is that are eligible. So. >> One of the things would be

1360
02:20:36,742 --> 02:20:41,346
as for the legislature to expand. >> That list that would be one

1361
02:20:41,346 --> 02:20:47,619
possibility of getting more available. Expungement. >> There's also I think that

1362
02:20:47,619 --> 02:20:56,361
the there's something called the Clean Slate Act that passed and into the process of

1363
02:20:56,361 --> 02:21:01,232
being implemented. And so hopefully more tis will become more automated. I think

1364
02:21:01,232 --> 02:21:06,972
in terms of the question that you're getting at. That would be the best solution. But I do

1365
02:21:06,972 --> 02:21:12,577
that. It's not been fully implemented yet, but they're working on that. That that

1366
02:21:12,577 --> 02:21:19,451
would be the best way is to fix just out of manatee going expunge those records. But

1367
02:21:19,451 --> 02:21:23,855
until that is like at full implementation, we will continue to do what we do it.

1368
02:21:23,855 --> 02:21:29,461
In addition to that, there's other types of ticks, punishment, relief that

1369
02:21:29,461 --> 02:21:36,467
applicant can seek. That might be beyond the enumerated list of the statute. That would be

1370
02:21:36,467 --> 02:21:41,339
like a judicial expungement and we would still have a rule it as we kind of get to a

1371
02:21:41,339 --> 02:21:48,413
place where we have a better clarity and understanding of how that clean slate law is

1372
02:21:48,413 --> 02:21:57,220
working. We can deploy our resources to always try to help with this col of

1373
02:21:57,220 --> 02:21:59,825
alleviating unnecessary collateral consequences so that people can move on with

1374
02:21:59,825 --> 02:22:07,625
their lives participate meaningfully in our economy have to comb of justice. So

1375
02:22:09,167 --> 02:22:16,410
maybe a follow-up for clarification as part of the application and the The portal

1376
02:22:16,410 --> 02:22:19,977
map here. >> Is there like a pre screen somebody pretty quickly

1377
02:22:19,977 --> 02:22:24,983
understand why I know what I'm going to be Look at what, what kind of a record and trying to

1378
02:22:24,983 --> 02:22:29,320
have us funds as their candidate away so they can decide before they fill out

1379
02:22:29,320 --> 02:22:32,257
this form and engage your office where they would have a clear indication of whether or

1380
02:22:32,257 --> 02:22:37,862
not they're a good candidate or not. >> Well, how I mean or how you

1381
02:22:37,862 --> 02:22:42,734
what exactly do that I've you would have to have them go to each individual statute and

1382
02:22:42,734 --> 02:22:47,205
then figure out for themselves. If they do, there's no easy list of saying

1383
02:22:47,205 --> 02:22:51,543
like you hear the hear the offenses that are on the. >> The the list and here, the

1384
02:22:51,543 --> 02:22:55,814
ones that it see. I think it. >> There is a list, however, I think a lot of people don't

1385
02:22:55,814 --> 02:23:05,814
remember. But their conviction was. And so it just we need some of the information to go

1386
02:23:06,558 --> 02:23:11,763
and then that that ourselves, you so I think important for people to just fill out that

1387
02:23:11,763 --> 02:23:15,634
form, right? And then and then we just. >> From a legal perspective,

1388
02:23:15,634 --> 02:23:22,708
you have to make sure that it actually is because sometimes. Resolution of a case can be

1389
02:23:22,708 --> 02:23:26,978
somewhat complicated, right? And so I kid I don't think like a lay person can actually

1390
02:23:26,978 --> 02:23:33,252
figure out what all of that terms of what the record is actually. And so I do think

1391
02:23:33,252 --> 02:23:39,657
that having some professional expertise in helping whether that's going to the library,

1392
02:23:39,657 --> 02:23:43,796
library upstairs and having the Self Help Desk help you or someone from our office

1393
02:23:43,796 --> 02:23:48,667
helping I think really critical. >> Thank you for explaining

1394
02:23:48,667 --> 02:23:55,730
that complexity. I think, you know, and when you're not part of this system every day you

1395
02:23:55,730 --> 02:23:58,209
can go, will you just gotta? And it's really a you just gotta this is usually much

1396
02:23:58,209 --> 02:24:03,147
more Thank you for for providing the service to community member. Yeah. And

1397
02:24:03,147 --> 02:24:07,686
there's also people have multiple convictions, usually, you know, because, you know,

1398
02:24:07,686 --> 02:24:09,687
people coming into the criminal justice system the time because of addiction,

1399
02:24:09,687 --> 02:24:13,892
right? >> And so deeply in addiction. You're probably committing a

1400
02:24:13,892 --> 02:24:18,297
multiple. >> Multiple crimes and they could be in different

1401
02:24:18,297 --> 02:24:22,568
jurisdictions. So there's also complexity to that as well. So could be city attorneys

1402
02:24:22,568 --> 02:24:27,705
office, Ramsey County and then Dakota County. But we do everything that we can to help

1403
02:24:27,705 --> 02:24:30,442
that individual with the Ramsey County convictions and they give him the the clarity

1404
02:24:30,442 --> 02:24:36,782
of what they need to do next. >> Well, yu've simplified this definitely above my pay

1405
02:24:36,782 --> 02:24:42,387
grade and education. So get filled out the application and let the let the professionals

1406
02:24:42,387 --> 02:24:47,926
help you out. help sell my record dot Yeah. And if they don't trust the prosecutor or

1407
02:24:47,926 --> 02:24:53,665
whatever I mean, there's also lots of resources with their Ramsey County Law And also 2

1408
02:24:53,665 --> 02:24:57,402
people are listening if they convictions in Hennepin County, they have a great self

1409
02:24:57,402 --> 02:25:01,607
help desk over there. >> So there are county governments that are there to

1410
02:25:01,607 --> 02:25:07,700
help navigate that. >> for Tree. >> Thank you, Madam Chair.

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02:25:09,147 --> 02:25:14,286
Thank County attorney for for this 1st half presentation. I think it just speaks volumes

1412
02:25:14,286 --> 02:25:21,426
to the. The really impactful work that you and your office of doing. One thing I want to

1413
02:25:21,426 --> 02:25:24,763
just bring up and I just kind of want to get a better sense behind the scenes here because

1414
02:25:24,763 --> 02:25:30,435
you have to performance measures that are centered around next bondsman. just

1415
02:25:30,435 --> 02:25:34,239
heard from the sheriff who also have a performance measure the thumb around 6

1416
02:25:34,239 --> 02:25:37,775
months. what their collaboration with you all when it came determine that

1417
02:25:37,775 --> 02:25:42,380
this was going to be a top priority for both offices or the buses just by happenstance

1418
02:25:42,380 --> 02:25:49,588
that you all both had 6 months and that's top priorities. But what we do is very different.

1419
02:25:49,588 --> 02:25:53,791
>> So they're on like if the judge orders an expungement right, then they have there's

1420
02:25:53,791 --> 02:25:59,731
a lot of things that they need to do to comply with that. There's also the Clean Slate

1421
02:25:59,731 --> 02:26:03,735
Act that they things that they need to do. that's why I would imagine that.

1422
02:26:03,735 --> 02:26:12,877
>> The workload that's being driven for them is as a result of I think probably more

1423
02:26:12,877 --> 02:26:18,817
expungement happening in Ramsey County. So in other words. Like if we are

1424
02:26:18,817 --> 02:26:24,956
undertaking, this probably creates some work out back and for them to clean out their

1425
02:26:24,956 --> 02:26:31,163
record to is that just the sheriff's office, they would be the BCA as well as other

1426
02:26:31,163 --> 02:26:35,300
law enforcement agencies that would have that would maintain those records

1427
02:26:35,300 --> 02:26:40,239
>> so its probably that is what their their work is like a little different that that

1428
02:26:40,239 --> 02:26:45,977
the >> know, I appreciate that. a mission that that's really

1429
02:26:45,977 --> 02:26:52,451
helpful. you mentioned with, you know, specifically helps to my record platform. The

1430
02:26:52,451 --> 02:26:58,656
need for us to really get the message out. I wanted to see if you could elaborate more on

1431
02:26:58,656 --> 02:27:03,862
what that out his plan lok like. How are all planning to really educate the public on

1432
02:27:03,862 --> 02:27:12,804
this particular? platform and getting folks more games with. So had mentioned, I am very

1433
02:27:12,804 --> 02:27:19,945
open to coming to by invitation and promoting But in terms of like massive.

1434
02:27:19,945 --> 02:27:23,810
>> Promotion, we went down this rabbit hole 2 years ago. So if you want to go down this

1435
02:27:23,810 --> 02:27:29,955
rabbit hole again, we can. We can't handle the flood of what happened. We just don't have

1436
02:27:29,955 --> 02:27:33,892
the bodies. And right now there's other parts for office that are struggling and I can

1437
02:27:33,892 --> 02:27:40,565
take from there to move it. right nowe have it under control and manage trade. So

1438
02:27:40,565 --> 02:27:46,171
when we first launched this in 2019, we were just flooded and was overwhelming and it took

1439
02:27:46,171 --> 02:27:55,171
us so long to. >> Just very ourselves from all of that. So we want to

1440
02:27:55,781 --> 02:28:01,586
promote it, right. But if we do so promotion like it's a front page story i the news

1441
02:28:01,586 --> 02:28:06,458
for S word of God will have 500 applications tomorrow and the percentage of like people

1442
02:28:06,458 --> 02:28:14,599
who we can help is going to be a smaller percentage trade. So we like to promote like wind.

1443
02:28:14,599 --> 02:28:18,870
If commissioner and you want to invite us to a community together that you're having,

1444
02:28:18,870 --> 02:28:24,208
we'd love to be able to promote it. we want to keep it simple so that all of you can

1445
02:28:24,208 --> 02:28:30,682
talk about Just go to help children, record dot org. if you live in Hennepin Ramsey or

1446
02:28:30,682 --> 02:28:36,210
some of a few other counties throughout the state, they're willing to help you. And you

1447
02:28:36,210 --> 02:28:43,695
won't have to incur filing fee and we'll do the best that we can to help. And maybe in our

1448
02:28:43,695 --> 02:28:47,320
future to like, you know, once we get to a place where we could invest a little bit more

1449
02:28:47,320 --> 02:28:51,435
into this, maybe we could think and then a lighting that with what the state is doing

1450
02:28:51,435 --> 02:28:57,410
around the clean slate law. >> I think there are areas so that we can help people get

1451
02:28:57,410 --> 02:29:02,513
out from underneath a >> the felony convictions so that they can move on with

1452
02:29:02,513 --> 02:29:07,852
their lives and that would maybe require some additional partnerships. I think within

1453
02:29:07,852 --> 02:29:12,657
the county, you know, with workforce solutions do and all those other places that we

1454
02:29:12,657 --> 02:29:17,262
could do, something really special here County, like we always

1455
02:29:17,262 --> 02:29:26,262
>> Thank you for that. my my last question, I our The performance measure to 4 the

1456
02:29:27,472 --> 02:29:31,676
number spots went out with review. Can you walk us through what currently is kind

1457
02:29:31,676 --> 02:29:37,883
of the the timeframe for your office and reviewing the explodes applications before

1458
02:29:37,883 --> 02:29:42,220
then because at that point at this after it after us reviewed by your offices of

1459
02:29:42,220 --> 02:29:48,410
issue to the court for them too process or? >> Yes, so we would have a

1460
02:29:48,410 --> 02:29:53,470
process for we need vetted to make sure that the person is indeed eligible and that we

1461
02:29:53,470 --> 02:29:56,851
would be supportive. But are, know, we want support everybody that's coming

1462
02:29:56,851 --> 02:29:59,253
through. If they, you know, they have through done everything that we've asked

1463
02:29:59,253 --> 02:30:07,328
them to do like there's no restitution that outstanding, et cetera. And we will then

1464
02:30:07,328 --> 02:30:15,469
make of file that court and then I don't know exactly exact time frame, but that's

1465
02:30:15,469 --> 02:30:18,500
important, too. I can certainly follow up and tell you like generally what it is.

1466
02:30:18,500 --> 02:30:23,878
But Ican tell you that like in our office, I know what that time looks like. And in

1467
02:30:23,878 --> 02:30:29,283
various it really does it. It varies around the backlog that we have. So if we right now,

1468
02:30:29,283 --> 02:30:31,886
I'm just telling you that like the numbers that are coming in, it's very, very

1469
02:30:31,886 --> 02:30:40,761
manageable. And it's helpful, very helpful that we're able to use one of our pathways

1470
02:30:40,761 --> 02:30:47,902
fellows to dedicate to that division to really focus on this. And of course, apparent

1471
02:30:47,902 --> 02:30:50,704
who handles all of this, too, is very, very busy as well as she's got other duties as

1472
02:30:50,704 --> 02:30:58,504
assigned. And >> and thank you, Madam Chair. Like this to go to the

1473
02:31:02,250 --> 02:31:09,857
percentage cases where office years, how community. I'm just interested one of the context

1474
02:31:09,857 --> 02:31:13,194
around where you mentioned that girls are more likely to experience share communion.

1475
02:31:13,194 --> 02:31:21,201
The power in this case, not in their cases. May you explain bit more follow some of that

1476
02:31:21,201 --> 02:31:27,207
programming that's available now because, you know, we were just at like JT yesterday we

1477
02:31:27,207 --> 02:31:33,814
saw the girls report in as a part of that. it also expressed that, you know,

1478
02:31:33,814 --> 02:31:39,687
there weren't as many services for girls to that the experience that they want to

1479
02:31:39,687 --> 02:31:43,910
listen to so many, you speak a little bit more about what And thank you for that because I

1480
02:31:43,910 --> 02:31:48,830
got to get all the slides, right? Yeah. So maybe if it's okay, if it's OK with the

1481
02:31:48,830 --> 02:31:56,170
Senate chair going to be question because we haven't gotten to mybe if I could

1482
02:31:56,170 --> 02:32:01,509
just get the that's what made back to the occasion. And >> If that's the case, let's

1483
02:32:01,509 --> 02:32:08,448
for a kid may recall back to expunge Munson. >> For just very quickly what

1484
02:32:08,448 --> 02:32:13,921
with the review process that your office has You spoke about it a little bit, but you

1485
02:32:13,921 --> 02:32:19,927
have to clear and make sure that their word that they've done everything ready to clear

1486
02:32:19,927 --> 02:32:24,999
their record. Yeah, I'm in a good example would be that there's smething like there's

1487
02:32:24,999 --> 02:32:29,336
a one. The probation terms was for restitution happened. >> Maybe that has to happen.

1488
02:32:29,336 --> 02:32:36,277
so then we have to think about. >> That in that context. But

1489
02:32:36,277 --> 02:32:41,415
for the most part, I mean, what we want to see is that probation term. And then

1490
02:32:41,415 --> 02:32:44,552
there's an eligibility time period right at the pin. It all depends on how your case

1491
02:32:44,552 --> 02:32:51,426
got resolved and a lot of times people don't know they don't remember how look at

1492
02:32:51,426 --> 02:32:53,494
yourself so that we need to figure out how that was. And then we need to look at the

1493
02:32:53,494 --> 02:32:58,320
statute to see if everyone if the underlying conviction isn't eligible one that can be

1494
02:32:58,320 --> 02:33:05,172
expunged. And then the second part of it, too, is there's like waiting periods as well.

1495
02:33:05,172 --> 02:33:14,514
>> carry us if if there's any way to like systematically and do this right like that,

1496
02:33:14,514 --> 02:33:19,987
they've met, although certain criteria and then, you know, just it gets explain, shot

1497
02:33:19,987 --> 02:33:24,391
medically so that you don't have. Yeah. And that's what the state passed. It's called

1498
02:33:24,391 --> 02:33:27,528
the Clean Slate law. But I think the implementation of that and that's what's

1499
02:33:27,528 --> 02:33:34,268
causing. I think some of the >> the workload for the sheriff's office and lot a lot

1500
02:33:34,268 --> 02:33:40,274
first agencies. But that is the North star, the door star that that legislation was

1501
02:33:40,274 --> 02:33:47,474
passed. The 2023 legislative session been working doing a fleet trying to implement

1502
02:33:49,283 --> 02:33:54,889
that. And the BCA is the agency that is responsible. For implementing that. And

1503
02:33:54,889 --> 02:34:02,963
they're trying to get to that North star where if you hit that, you know, you Jabal

1504
02:34:02,963 --> 02:34:08,302
conviction it's waiting period has gone right, that there would just be an automatic

1505
02:34:08,302 --> 02:34:15,509
expungement. But here's the problem, too, with this is just say we're going deep into

1506
02:34:15,509 --> 02:34:20,247
expired So this is about sealing public records, right? But there's so many data

1507
02:34:20,247 --> 02:34:27,321
miners out there right? They have private databases. If they just took a picture like

1508
02:34:27,321 --> 02:34:31,592
last year, so people can still show up on that. So there's still a gap. next step might

1509
02:34:31,592 --> 02:34:39,266
for the Legislature. Maybe addressing that issue. But they have not done that. But

1510
02:34:39,266 --> 02:34:44,404
that is the north stars to do this automatically. And I think that would be geat. And

1511
02:34:44,404 --> 02:34:50,277
then that would leave a stand with looking at for a specific things that might be be on

1512
02:34:50,277 --> 02:34:56,350
that that it's a new rated in the statute and working a judicial expungements and

1513
02:34:56,350 --> 02:35:00,420
things like that. And then there's probably other things that we could be looking

1514
02:35:00,420 --> 02:35:07,200
Burnett completely their concern full implementation >> And just a final question

1515
02:35:08,361 --> 02:35:14,769
around this lake. >> Is there any data that your office can provide to the

1516
02:35:14,769 --> 02:35:19,907
state and or for us to advocate and share with our state legislators about this.

1517
02:35:19,907 --> 02:35:26,981
And terms of like the impact in our community currently. >> Some try understand like

1518
02:35:26,981 --> 02:35:34,388
what kind of story text or you want to like the numbers like do have estimates on how many

1519
02:35:34,388 --> 02:35:40,527
people would be eligible the records be expunged currently in Ramsey

1520
02:35:40,527 --> 02:35:44,799
>> I don't. But I think that could gotten somehow. You know, I mean, thought we had

1521
02:35:44,799 --> 02:35:50,204
a big project. We first started this. Prescott initiative expunged we looked

1522
02:35:50,204 --> 02:35:59,204
at. All fifth-degree drug offenses and we had a project that a partnership with Earls.

1523
02:36:01,748 --> 02:36:09,823
To work sending letters to individuals. The best address that we had the opportunity to

1524
02:36:09,823 --> 02:36:14,306
expunge records. I think we probably have some numbers about 53 drug cases. Felony

1525
02:36:14,306 --> 02:36:20,306
low-level drug possession cases. >> Yes, my point to 2, this is

1526
02:36:22,314 --> 02:36:26,852
just really that, you know, as the BC is responsible for rolling. you know, maybe this

1527
02:36:26,852 --> 02:36:32,123
is smething that it's not top mind for our legislators to. So it's helpful for us in.

1528
02:36:32,123 --> 02:36:36,328
That's really important for me that folks who are eligible for it like utilize this as

1529
02:36:36,328 --> 02:36:42,267
well because it does have economic impacts to our community's overall. economic

1530
02:36:42,267 --> 02:36:45,337
impact doesn't like the health and well-being of our community yeah. The University

1531
02:36:45,337 --> 02:36:50,137
Michigan says that there's a 20% >> improvement income for

1532
02:36:51,209 --> 02:36:57,809
individuals to get a felony record expunged. Absolutely. Thank. Thank you.

1533
02:36:58,349 --> 02:37:02,687
>> Commissioner, Thank you. Madam Chair. save a lot of my comments for. then the next

1534
02:37:02,687 --> 02:37:09,494
set of questions. But just appreciate your work >> holes in our county and

1535
02:37:09,494 --> 02:37:14,699
your work and community and, you know, work and early intervention and pevention. I

1536
02:37:14,699 --> 02:37:22,574
just want thank you have been leading lady in those areas. thank you for that. Just a

1537
02:37:22,574 --> 02:37:25,177
quick question on expungement. And that asked other questions, of course, as we

1538
02:37:25,177 --> 02:37:32,977
go. But if so, say unpaid. 44, the number of expansion applications reviewed. We've

1539
02:37:33,918 --> 02:37:40,392
got a couple of 13, 50,000 50. If if you're not there, you're just going go back

1540
02:37:40,392 --> 02:37:46,531
applications for sealing records. Right at me, you can only review the ones that

1541
02:37:46,531 --> 02:37:51,937
you've received. So just What you've been telling us is that there's probably a lot of more

1542
02:37:51,937 --> 02:37:56,740
out there that you could You could get a lot more records to review. So this is what you

1543
02:37:56,740 --> 02:38:02,213
think your office can handle. 13, 50, but you could do a lot more if you have the

1544
02:38:02,213 --> 02:38:05,349
resources. Absolutely. Thank you for that question. Yeah. We just feel like right now

1545
02:38:05,349 --> 02:38:11,890
we're in a good spot. >> With the resources that we have and being able make

1546
02:38:11,890 --> 02:38:16,628
people wait for a long, long period of time to get an answer. Yes. So that's good to

1547
02:38:16,628 --> 02:38:20,899
know. And maybe what I partners. >> Who really want this work

1548
02:38:20,899 --> 02:38:23,502
to be done because as you said, it's good for our economic development of fire

1549
02:38:23,502 --> 02:38:31,910
residents. So thank you, Madam Chair, it's a good issue to be aware of you are believing in

1550
02:38:31,910 --> 02:38:37,248
economic justice. >> If we can, if they could expunge more felony records

1551
02:38:37,248 --> 02:38:40,851
and then also have policy changes that the Legislature to regulate those data brokers

1552
02:38:40,851 --> 02:38:49,793
a little bit more. how you use felony records to exclude people from opportunities. I

1553
02:38:49,793 --> 02:38:54,732
think we could and this is more arctic at the state level here. But we could actually

1554
02:38:54,732 --> 02:38:59,871
makes rights for people who struggling. I appreciate that. And I'm just going to echo

1555
02:38:59,871 --> 02:39:03,942
what I said for the county for the sheriff. >> that we that we would, you

1556
02:39:03,942 --> 02:39:07,879
know, welcome a workshop just to talk about these kinds of things, you know, how work

1557
02:39:07,879 --> 02:39:15,687
together on the enemy. Issues that we really do share working full forward to a

1558
02:39:15,687 --> 02:39:22,887
workshop the county attorney's office and all these conditions. Madam Chairman, I

1559
02:39:24,629 --> 02:39:33,571
move the next slide to we Maybe you okay colleagues lot to ask Do assess the that?

1560
02:39:33,571 --> 02:39:41,971
>> All right. We can forward. >> Okay. So moving something that's really important to And

1561
02:39:43,114 --> 02:39:48,653
we this board took some time to learn more about our child support program.

1562
02:39:48,653 --> 02:39:55,253
>> And I appreciate that engagement. >> Because all for the I think

1563
02:39:55,660 --> 02:40:00,532
during the pandemic period. >> And then coming out of that pandemic period, there were

1564
02:40:00,532 --> 02:40:06,805
just a lot of challenges that we had big part of. It was our workforce. We have a small

1565
02:40:06,805 --> 02:40:13,945
cohort of maybe 2 that we have to hire for the next. few months. But finally, we do

1566
02:40:13,945 --> 02:40:21,752
feel like we're kind of fully staffed and one of our highest priorities in our office ad

1567
02:40:21,752 --> 02:40:29,293
obviously for the child support program is to get this number to where it needs to be

1568
02:40:29,293 --> 02:40:35,166
it has to be at 80% because that's the number that the federal government. Is

1569
02:40:35,166 --> 02:40:41,372
expecting us in terms of the performance of. Our chance fr programs. No question. a

1570
02:40:41,372 --> 02:40:47,712
county as all of you know, we have special challenges within just our own jurisdiction, a

1571
02:40:47,712 --> 02:40:52,784
whole host of things all of you are aware Some of the demographic factors. But we

1572
02:40:52,784 --> 02:40:58,989
have had a history of being over 80%. So our our child support program is for a

1573
02:40:58,989 --> 02:41:05,630
focused on getting this number 8, 2 other ones to the number that needs to be. So I think

1574
02:41:05,630 --> 02:41:11,100
one of the things that we're working on is reconfiguring some of the work flow working

1575
02:41:11,100 --> 02:41:17,342
with partners at the court to get more court time. And so this has been a priority for

1576
02:41:17,342 --> 02:41:22,680
the for the last 2 years. And we cntinue to work on that. But my hpe is by the time

1577
02:41:22,680 --> 02:41:28,190
come here next year, we will have met that goal of 80% child support orders

1578
02:41:28,190 --> 02:41:35,226
established. And know that we've spent a lot of time in the child's per program as

1579
02:41:35,226 --> 02:41:44,826
part of the board workshop. So any questions on that? Thank you. And then so here's

1580
02:41:46,304 --> 02:41:50,241
another one. That's this is historic. Think this is I think that performance

1581
02:41:50,241 --> 02:41:59,250
measure, but it's that we've always reported to the board percent. And this is the adult

1582
02:41:59,250 --> 02:42:06,658
criminal side of those who are offered or or who are get into a diversion program. Right. So

1583
02:42:06,658 --> 02:42:11,729
across America, the average number of the range, I should say felony diversion is

1584
02:42:11,729 --> 02:42:19,670
anywhere between 3% to about 16%. And the way that we were measuring it before was that

1585
02:42:19,670 --> 02:42:24,475
we excluded like murder and some of those things that we would never, ever different.

1586
02:42:24,475 --> 02:42:29,613
But now we've decided to include that because number one, I think that was a part

1587
02:42:29,613 --> 02:42:35,487
of the discussions with the county manager's office. But more importantly, this is how

1588
02:42:35,487 --> 02:42:42,767
all offices kind of look at that. They just take the the entire right toe our number

1589
02:42:42,767 --> 02:42:48,572
for 2020 5 to 7%. And then if we could have gone back and added those numbers. But I

1590
02:42:48,572 --> 02:42:56,380
think we. Didn't get that done before this power plant was a. Do. However, just the numbers

1591
02:42:56,380 --> 02:43:03,320
that we had before, it was somewhere between 7 to 9%, even with the difference

1592
02:43:03,320 --> 02:43:08,526
before. So our goal is to get to 10%. And that's always been in my mind, is that those are

1593
02:43:08,526 --> 02:43:15,666
our previous calls under number. So we continue to work on that to to try to help

1594
02:43:15,666 --> 02:43:23,466
people be eligible for a felony diversion. First felony diversion. We don't include

1595
02:43:24,474 --> 02:43:27,411
violent offenses and we're focused smaller group of people. And then, of course,

1596
02:43:27,411 --> 02:43:32,483
at the city level. Which channels and misdemeanors they will have. should have a much

1597
02:43:32,483 --> 02:43:39,957
more expansive. List of things that get diverted. Any questions about that. But our

1598
02:43:39,957 --> 02:43:47,757
goal is 10% >> you explain a little bit more about this just how can

1599
02:43:53,371 --> 02:43:57,374
help I don't turn. And like one, maybe alternatives. >> So this would be like your

1600
02:43:57,374 --> 02:44:00,845
typical diversion program. So it wouldn't be like a thing that we're doing like

1601
02:44:00,845 --> 02:44:08,185
underused Justice program. We have a contract with Justice and they are the diversion

1602
02:44:08,185 --> 02:44:16,927
provider for. The entire county. So that also includes city cases as well. So Saint

1603
02:44:16,927 --> 02:44:22,533
Paul and all the city attorneys and Ramsey County will direct a justice point.

1604
02:44:22,533 --> 02:44:28,272
And we do to a small number of our felony cases. >> And what that diversion

1605
02:44:28,272 --> 02:44:34,872
program typically would tail would some form like a diversion agreement.

1606
02:44:36,347 --> 02:44:39,616
>> To remain law-abiding, maybe work on the some of the things that are identified.

1607
02:44:39,616 --> 02:44:47,825
And then they would. Check to see if all those things for completed if they were and the

1608
02:44:47,825 --> 02:44:52,290
case would deemed to be successfully diverted >> and the case with that be

1609
02:44:52,290 --> 02:44:59,829
dismissed. >> And this is also after a court has offered at or after

1610
02:45:01,839 --> 02:45:05,910
it says court has offered a diversion or allow for the diversion.

1611
02:45:05,910 --> 02:45:13,383
>> Well, the court hs like they will do like treatment court things like or they'll

1612
02:45:13,383 --> 02:45:22,383
have like a resolution of the case that might seem like diversion like stay of

1613
02:45:22,860 --> 02:45:27,131
adjudication. Somebody maybe pleading guilty to something, but they're agreeing remain

1614
02:45:27,131 --> 02:45:34,331
well. and then the conviction would go away >> diversion is mostly done

1615
02:45:34,405 --> 02:45:39,343
through the prosecutor's office across the country. And so we can do that.

1616
02:45:39,343 --> 02:45:44,347
>> Before we charge somebody with a crime or we can do that after we charge somebody with

1617
02:45:44,347 --> 02:45:49,953
a crime, most of our cases in the adult level are going to post charge because that's

1618
02:45:49,953 --> 02:45:58,162
when most of the information that's necessary to make that decision is available to us.

1619
02:45:58,162 --> 02:46:02,320
Okay? >> Yeah, thank you. Because I I asked the sheriff earlier

1620
02:46:02,320 --> 02:46:08,238
today about just about how how we may be able to get our numbers down for the adults

1621
02:46:08,238 --> 02:46:13,377
were are at the adult detention center. You know, so trying to follow a similar

1622
02:46:13,377 --> 02:46:23,377
track of our windy to work to so. So I guess my my next question round how what are

1623
02:46:24,655 --> 02:46:32,929
you doing to move from 7% to 10% and wise 10%. The goal? always heard that. I could

1624
02:46:32,929 --> 02:46:38,935
have metropolitan level been jurisdiction level. >> That that's a good number

1625
02:46:38,935 --> 02:46:44,208
to have. So just in my mind, I think that's good number that wish to do is be striving for.

1626
02:46:44,208 --> 02:46:47,210
And so there's always things that we can be looking at it right now. I think a lot of

1627
02:46:47,210 --> 02:46:55,686
our energy and time is spent some of the work that the next site that will get to a road

1628
02:46:55,686 --> 02:46:59,890
that their star justice and the Justice division. >> But I feel like there's

1629
02:46:59,890 --> 02:47:02,759
some promise there that could be brought into some of the cases involving younger

1630
02:47:02,759 --> 02:47:09,567
people. And there's also things to think about just an eligibility and things of that

1631
02:47:09,567 --> 02:47:16,773
sort another thing that I've been thinking about deeply and a lot to get to a place is

1632
02:47:16,773 --> 02:47:19,710
there's 2 areas. So by the way, we have a data dashboard. So many of you guys can take a

1633
02:47:19,710 --> 02:47:26,850
look at it. But you will see with the exception of the time we had a brief pandemic

1634
02:47:26,850 --> 02:47:35,850
policy. Related to like what we charge around drugs right? Aside from those maybe 2 year

1635
02:47:38,395 --> 02:47:43,200
period, right? You'll see that the number one crime is always going to be theft. And the

1636
02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:49,500
second largest drivers going to be drugs like possession, right? So I would love to

1637
02:47:49,500 --> 02:47:56,613
figure out a way think about not just I guess, receiving the case from the police and

1638
02:47:56,613 --> 02:48:06,213
then charging the case out and then either diverting it or seeking some sort of modified

1639
02:48:06,223 --> 02:48:12,429
sentence like a stay of adjudication or just to stand up for that conviction that if

1640
02:48:12,429 --> 02:48:16,100
we could take that moment when the cases in our office to leverage whatever we have

1641
02:48:16,100 --> 02:48:22,973
there. To ty to get the individual to uptake. It's something that we want them to

1642
02:48:22,973 --> 02:48:27,511
up taken. And so I think that sometimes it may be the community has to be involved

1643
02:48:27,511 --> 02:48:34,918
some aspect of it Think about just I guess that the of the day may be. You can all weigh

1644
02:48:34,918 --> 02:48:43,260
in. But when we get a case involving drugs, what do we want to want the conviction?

1645
02:48:43,260 --> 02:48:47,198
Or get the person to somehow figure out a way to. Find themselves to treatment or

1646
02:48:47,198 --> 02:48:56,273
change their behavior. And whatever bad activity. You I think you I wanted to stop if

1647
02:48:56,273 --> 02:49:01,110
it's that they're doing those things, right. So how do we get to that? So that's a

1648
02:49:01,110 --> 02:49:03,747
question that I'm thinking about it. In the same time, theft is another one. That's a

1649
02:49:03,747 --> 02:49:09,210
big driver of our caseload. So I'd love to figure out things to think about about how it

1650
02:49:09,210 --> 02:49:15,627
may be divert more of those cases. Yeah. So I think there's things that you would

1651
02:49:15,627 --> 02:49:22,835
want in that you to get their stuff back right yet Thank you for that. And I would say the

1652
02:49:22,835 --> 02:49:26,171
latter, right? Because we just know like, you know what happened? The record does

1653
02:49:26,171 --> 02:49:33,712
right for one's ability to >> make a living later on as well as the racial disparity

1654
02:49:33,712 --> 02:49:37,449
is right. We just received a presentation rectify from the sheriff about the disparities

1655
02:49:37,449 --> 02:49:41,720
and going into the jails. >> And we know that, you know, they're predominantly black

1656
02:49:41,720 --> 02:49:51,720
and brown people and it's not. At some point it's like at the data is there and clear about

1657
02:49:52,731 --> 02:49:57,936
economic realities of our black and brown communities. Yeah.

1658
02:49:57,936 --> 02:50:00,471
>> so what I would say about the gender know what the sheriff said about the jail

1659
02:50:00,471 --> 02:50:09,130
population. But I think some of you might recall we had a lot projects and we still do

1660
02:50:09,130 --> 02:50:15,353
it out called the Pretrial Justice But we had a bail reform project right? Had the

1661
02:50:15,353 --> 02:50:24,353
goal was to reduce the jail population. And focus some of those positive outcomes. And

1662
02:50:25,631 --> 02:50:30,102
when it came out to was is that we would have some way to deflect people at the jail.

1663
02:50:30,102 --> 02:50:36,174
But one thing that they the pandemic did I really believe is that it?

1664
02:50:36,174 --> 02:50:43,782
>> So in some ways train the police not to bring every thing to the jail. And so.

1665
02:50:43,782 --> 02:50:50,382
>> Every. We get a report. >> From >> our it department and our

1666
02:50:54,259 --> 02:50:59,798
sheriff, they do a little. Deep dive into the data. They pull everybody that in our

1667
02:50:59,798 --> 02:51:08,198
jail. And there's some things that were specifically looking for and Gloria staff then

1668
02:51:09,408 --> 02:51:13,212
looks at like those factors. And then it's usually the numbers always like between 20

1669
02:51:13,212 --> 02:51:21,612
and 20 maybe. And then te defense and the prosecution will look at those small

1670
02:51:22,687 --> 02:51:30,295
cohort of people that possibly shouldn't be in the jail. From there like we look at that.

1671
02:51:30,295 --> 02:51:36,168
but the conclusion usually is, is that? There's a re. There's a specific reason why they're

1672
02:51:36,168 --> 02:51:44,509
they're there. And I would venture to say to that, like all of you would agree. What

1673
02:51:44,509 --> 02:51:50,480
you look at all of the circumstances of why they're there. So we've been at this

1674
02:51:50,480 --> 02:51:54,519
number of about 400 for quite some time. And I know that if we go higher than that, we're

1675
02:51:54,519 --> 02:51:58,390
going to have issues at the jail. But I feel like the number that we have right now

1676
02:51:58,390 --> 02:52:04,729
is probably. A good number. And so there are professionals. Defense

1677
02:52:04,729 --> 02:52:11,200
attorneys. As well as prosecutors and judges to have a responsibility to determine

1678
02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:18,143
and make sure that people who are in our still need to be there. So they will have.

1679
02:52:18,143 --> 02:52:23,615
>> Periodic status updates. You know, so that debate just says, Sara, and they're

1680
02:52:23,615 --> 02:52:30,622
forgotten. I think in Ramsey County, we do that particularly well. And so like

1681
02:52:30,622 --> 02:52:34,426
like that information that we have that Gloria staff produces. I believe it's into

1682
02:52:34,426 --> 02:52:41,633
the commissioners as well. Maybe it should be. And then you could take a look at lake

1683
02:52:41,633 --> 02:52:47,105
with that smaller cohort is. And that's available to the defense and everybody then

1684
02:52:47,105 --> 02:52:54,846
can. Folk hone in on that. But we had a formula by which we could figure just like we want

1685
02:52:54,846 --> 02:53:00,785
to take a look at these kinds of factors right? So we are people are every day looking

1686
02:53:00,785 --> 02:53:06,725
at who's entered jail in our adult jail right? And should they be there? It is. The

1687
02:53:06,725 --> 02:53:13,398
defense attorney's job to seek a hearing if they think that they should. Be released right

1688
02:53:13,398 --> 02:53:18,403
pending the resolution of their cases. And the judge can make a decision on that. So I

1689
02:53:18,403 --> 02:53:21,339
just want just make sure that that was clear to that. I think that. I came to the

1690
02:53:21,339 --> 02:53:27,939
conclusion. That what assumptions that we had. Before the pandemic. We're

1691
02:53:28,547 --> 02:53:35,487
just longer true. And so we had this deflection program that we're releasing people.

1692
02:53:35,487 --> 02:53:41,159
And I just couldn't support anymore. Because it was having a negative impact to public

1693
02:53:41,159 --> 02:53:47,759
safety. >> And I think question is also like should this be

1694
02:53:48,767 --> 02:53:55,967
ongoing, too? Because there have turnover rates law enforcement agencies as well.

1695
02:53:55,974 --> 02:54:04,116
Right? Just what people retiring and or also just not entering into law enforcement.

1696
02:54:04,116 --> 02:54:10,989
So are those practices still the same end? Is that still the same as what we work

1697
02:54:10,989 --> 02:54:17,996
towards back So yes. And I'm going even Lee and the good Even a deeper conversation.

1698
02:54:17,996 --> 02:54:22,134
I'd love engage with you more about this any of commission that let's talk more about

1699
02:54:22,134 --> 02:54:27,534
this. >> I think maybe that question today might be.

1700
02:54:29,408 --> 02:54:35,680
>> Maybe we need a little bit more clarity. For the police officers about what they're

1701
02:54:35,680 --> 02:54:41,820
supposed to do when they have a situation because they might believe that the jail doesn't

1702
02:54:41,820 --> 02:54:50,695
want them. believe that nothing is going to happen if they bring him to the jail and

1703
02:54:50,695 --> 02:54:53,431
they don't necessarily have to go to the jail. Maybe it's a place that's a reception place

1704
02:54:53,431 --> 02:54:59,370
for some. Thing can happen because through the day. It's not so much. I think it's the

1705
02:54:59,370 --> 02:55:04,510
jail thing. It's would you just please stop doing what you're doing. How many times

1706
02:55:04,510 --> 02:55:10,516
can you break businesses window right? And how do we get that bad behavior to

1707
02:55:10,516 --> 02:55:17,255
staff? And Ido believe that there are. Things that can work because jails only going

1708
02:55:17,255 --> 02:55:24,996
to be for a night or 2. property damage, crime like that. But that's I think where

1709
02:55:24,996 --> 02:55:30,268
this town we struggle a little bit. And that's probably where some leadership is needed

1710
02:55:30,268 --> 02:55:35,941
about trying to figure that piece of it out because if we don't. From a liveability

1711
02:55:35,941 --> 02:55:39,829
perspective, my biggest concern is that people started leaving.

1712
02:55:39,829 --> 02:55:49,829
>> So This is exactly what I of the sheriff when he talked about looking The the makeup

1713
02:55:53,710 --> 02:55:58,714
of those who have been booked into the jail where tey are. 51% of blacks be in. Into the

1714
02:55:58,714 --> 02:56:05,914
jails. Compared to 29% white, 96 percent, Asian and 3% Native American might. And so

1715
02:56:09,580 --> 02:56:15,798
my questions to him were more around. What do we think with the data telling us people

1716
02:56:15,798 --> 02:56:25,675
brought into the jails for for what type of crime? What is the scene? What would it take

1717
02:56:25,675 --> 02:56:32,415
to to begin to get these numbers down? And, you know, was talking about that

1718
02:56:32,415 --> 02:56:39,880
conversation the high numbers African Americans. You they've been Bali and because of

1719
02:56:39,880 --> 02:56:45,628
addiction because of the use of mental illness or more egregious crime. You know,

1720
02:56:45,628 --> 02:56:51,701
what is the data telling us? And then how can we use what you've done often is like

1721
02:56:51,701 --> 02:56:54,571
bringing communities organization and to help providers and others to

1722
02:56:54,571 --> 02:57:00,911
support the individual. So I mean, I come in the times people dressing you for

1723
02:57:00,911 --> 02:57:08,384
because of illness of breaking a wind or, you know, whatever it may be happening. And We're

1724
02:57:08,384 --> 02:57:16,526
going live to you. If there's any data that you have that is showing us what is showing up,

1725
02:57:16,526 --> 02:57:20,663
is happening with in a jail system how you're responding to that. I think that data

1726
02:57:20,663 --> 02:57:25,668
that you have about who should or jail is. >> And why they're into is

1727
02:57:25,668 --> 02:57:29,739
correct. But I think the solution is it going to be found necessarily in the data?

1728
02:57:29,739 --> 02:57:36,413
I think the solution is actually found with thinking about the North like the jail

1729
02:57:36,413 --> 02:57:40,617
isn't after Lucia necessarily could be. But there's other things that we could be doing

1730
02:57:40,617 --> 02:57:47,490
before the jail understanding the population. So I always say that like we should, you

1731
02:57:47,490 --> 02:57:52,829
know, the up in times of the solutions are found within the communities that are most

1732
02:57:52,829 --> 02:57:58,501
impacted and we should work with community to figure out ways that we can and address

1733
02:57:58,501 --> 02:58:00,904
some of those underlying factor. So some of that data would be helpful in the

1734
02:58:00,904 --> 02:58:07,977
context of. What are the offenses that are being brought to the jail. And then

1735
02:58:07,977 --> 02:58:14,117
they? >> Is it I doing drug addiction, that is that mental

1736
02:58:14,117 --> 02:58:16,185
health issues that are driving some of that cause a place like really going to ask that

1737
02:58:16,185 --> 02:58:19,655
question again. >> And so getting some data about that. And then I think

1738
02:58:19,655 --> 02:58:26,930
another big part of this, that. What I've learned. Is that if we can also use the

1739
02:58:26,930 --> 02:58:34,271
time that people are in the jail wisely. And get them connected to community when

1740
02:58:34,271 --> 02:58:38,808
they get out upon re-entry re-entry is not just for president. It can also be for

1741
02:58:38,808 --> 02:58:43,547
a local jailed. If we do that really well. I just recently heard a stat then I've been

1742
02:58:43,547 --> 02:58:48,685
thinking about this for like a year. But one of the best things that you could do, what

1743
02:58:48,685 --> 02:58:53,956
I do with the recidivism I don't want to quote that it be inaccurate, but it was an

1744
02:58:53,956 --> 02:59:01,298
amazing amount where if you just release people in pretrial get them successfully

1745
02:59:01,298 --> 02:59:09,839
and enrolled in Medicaid. That in of itself will have a huge impact recidivism. So it's

1746
02:59:09,839 --> 02:59:14,711
like thinking about those types of strategies also to adjust deflection from the

1747
02:59:14,711 --> 02:59:19,316
jail. I mean, maybe there could be a jail diversion program or maybe there could

1748
02:59:19,316 --> 02:59:22,519
be. >> Something that happens with the plice to bgin with with

1749
02:59:22,519 --> 02:59:27,924
the bottom line is it just has to work and it's that easy. Coming up with these things.

1750
02:59:27,924 --> 02:59:31,728
And then, you know, funding those things. But I think that's I mean, just looking at

1751
02:59:31,728 --> 02:59:38,680
the thing about like the jail population who's in and who's out and racial beakdown. I

1752
02:59:38,680 --> 02:59:43,720
don't think that gets us to a solution. I think what we need to do utilize creativity and

1753
02:59:43,720 --> 02:59:50,814
bring more people to the table and figure out ways that we address

1754
02:59:50,814 --> 02:59:53,683
>> I think that's true. I think race does matter do because they can be some vices

1755
02:59:53,683 --> 02:59:58,822
that are happening when you have been stopped by the police officer is going to be

1756
02:59:58,822 --> 03:00:05,950
some training that needs to be down with police officers. may be of there. I turned to have

1757
03:00:05,950 --> 03:00:14,570
to as you stated, you know, I think my my point to get some data so that we can see. Why

1758
03:00:14,570 --> 03:00:18,975
because maybe they don't need to be incarcerated. Make maybe need to go get some of the

1759
03:00:18,975 --> 03:00:26,182
services. You know. And so, but you don't know that if we're not tracking or unable

1760
03:00:26,182 --> 03:00:31,654
to see what's happening spaces. >> But I'm all for let's keep

1761
03:00:31,654 --> 03:00:36,459
talking about I think try to figure out ways to change that would be a great star. That's

1762
03:00:36,459 --> 03:00:41,259
for sure what you commissioner. I County manager.

1763
03:00:42,532 --> 03:00:48,338
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. So I do think we've had many different pockets of

1764
03:00:48,338 --> 03:00:52,474
conversation around different diversion ideas. And I think it's probably time nw post

1765
03:00:52,474 --> 03:00:57,347
pandemic we've continued to ship our service delivery at some point. This is the

1766
03:00:57,347 --> 03:01:02,552
challenge of the future of the county of service delivery with John's talking about is

1767
03:01:02,552 --> 03:01:06,756
he's absolutely right. It's not jail problem. That's really how do we get services

1768
03:01:06,756 --> 03:01:11,360
to residents at the timing and the place that we need them, whether it's, you know, I

1769
03:01:11,360 --> 03:01:15,832
several of you. Another between partners have brought. How do we have a youth

1770
03:01:15,832 --> 03:01:22,104
resource center? That's the right place for. used to get back to write and and also on

1771
03:01:22,104 --> 03:01:25,400
the adult side means glory. And I just talked yesterday when we were talking about she

1772
03:01:25,400 --> 03:01:31,247
gone to this meeting with public health, the police at Saint Paul, you know, where do

1773
03:01:31,247 --> 03:01:35,518
people go at 4 in the morning? If you don't want to bring him to the jail? I mean,

1774
03:01:35,518 --> 03:01:40,923
>> we have to really challenge ourselves as we are going to go through these hard.

1775
03:01:40,923 --> 03:01:46,262
Budgetary times with all this pressure to continue to do transformation and transform

1776
03:01:46,262 --> 03:01:49,933
ourselves. Ad that's going to force us to do our work very differently because we cannot

1777
03:01:49,933 --> 03:01:57,540
do another round of we are in I'm a motive. We can just add on more and leave the old

1778
03:01:57,540 --> 03:02:03,889
things the way they are. We have to be able to say we're not going to do that anymore

1779
03:02:03,889 --> 03:02:06,959
and we're going re pivot those resources to in a different way because we're in a more of

1780
03:02:06,959 --> 03:02:13,899
everything. A scarcity mindset trying that. Figure out what we're Clark County responsible

1781
03:02:13,899 --> 03:02:16,769
are, but I would are getting most of this is Clark County responsible because at the end

1782
03:02:16,769 --> 03:02:23,575
it will reduce all dependence. I all these really difficult things that we cannot fund any

1783
03:02:23,575 --> 03:02:27,460
more like the funding for all those things like whether a child protection, other parts

1784
03:02:27,460 --> 03:02:30,382
of the criminal justice system, the things that we have to do, the funding is

1785
03:02:30,382 --> 03:02:35,254
going down for those so we might as well instead of fill those gaps, we might as try to

1786
03:02:35,254 --> 03:02:38,570
less people in them. So we have more of the flexible research, you know. So it's a

1787
03:02:38,570 --> 03:02:44,729
really it's a super big mindset shift. And it requires full. The leaders,

1788
03:02:44,729 --> 03:02:50,269
policymakers, but also us thinking about our staffing, our buildings everything

1789
03:02:50,269 --> 03:02:53,873
differently and it is so hard. I will just say even doing this.

1790
03:02:53,873 --> 03:02:57,877
>> Like pivoting a more holistic services. You know, we've come a long way since

1791
03:02:57,877 --> 03:03:04,950
the East building for floor. But even, you know, trying to get the service center set up

1792
03:03:04,950 --> 03:03:08,153
in the right departments to share things. I mean, I'll tell the story again, you

1793
03:03:08,153 --> 03:03:12,891
know, the the Cabinet of 8 departments going. These are my box of paper clips and

1794
03:03:12,891 --> 03:03:16,695
these are your box of paper clips like we have to stop. You know what mean? And so

1795
03:03:16,695 --> 03:03:21,967
these are it sounds a little It is a big mindset shift to be able to deliver county

1796
03:03:21,967 --> 03:03:27,840
services in a way that is nimble and acessible to the count into residents and to

1797
03:03:27,840 --> 03:03:32,311
our prtners and at the moment they need them. And doing it a little bit. you think that

1798
03:03:32,311 --> 03:03:35,648
ISIS where we have a little pockets where we've changed the way we do things but they

1799
03:03:35,648 --> 03:03:42,787
can't Let's just. We will keep doing our own things, but we will now find more money to do

1800
03:03:42,787 --> 03:03:48,793
this. Like nice thing over here, know thing actually has to change. So I say that I'm

1801
03:03:48,793 --> 03:03:51,630
also backs, but I think this is a very critical conversations on because you

1802
03:03:51,630 --> 03:03:56,935
and I talked about use resource center for quite some time in the past. I mean, we

1803
03:03:56,935 --> 03:04:00,339
don't we don't really have a trajectory of funds to do something like this. So we

1804
03:04:00,339 --> 03:04:07,746
really are seen much the way we do stuff, we have to think about the everything we do

1805
03:04:07,746 --> 03:04:15,688
differently. it's always that to do that. but evidence in it. I'm gonna let you finish.

1806
03:04:15,688 --> 03:04:19,892
And then we're going to face with the question is. >> Yeah, I think this next

1807
03:04:19,892 --> 03:04:29,492
slide. The is. Yes. Okay. So this is a commissioner. John, you were asking this dataset.

1808
03:04:30,168 --> 03:04:34,907
So I think all of you know, the story about the imagine justice for youth began in

1809
03:04:34,907 --> 03:04:40,312
2018. >> And it's very much in line the value and the methods

1810
03:04:40,312 --> 03:04:46,510
Ramsey County about bringing community the table. We tok that trip down the yellow

1811
03:04:46,510 --> 03:04:48,253
Medicine County and UK is all part story of how that inspired us me brought that

1812
03:04:48,253 --> 03:04:56,530
back. And we figured out a way. >> 2 of can. can figure how we

1813
03:04:56,662 --> 03:05:01,667
think about. >> Making decisions. You know, the way that we thought about

1814
03:05:01,667 --> 03:05:07,139
this was that, you know, the police to the investigations, state, get the type it up,

1815
03:05:07,139 --> 03:05:12,770
give it to the prosecutor. Prosecutor determines whether or not a crime has been

1816
03:05:12,770 --> 03:05:17,820
committed and whether or not we believe that we actually have the evidence to prove

1817
03:05:17,820 --> 03:05:22,554
that a case that kid, reasonable doubt to a to a judge in the. Juvenile can

1818
03:05:22,554 --> 03:05:28,494
take surgery and the and the in the adult contacts. And we did that over and over again.

1819
03:05:28,494 --> 03:05:34,700
And if you just put aside murder and rape and smallest, the most violent offenses

1820
03:05:34,700 --> 03:05:36,435
right? >> Oftentimes what would happen in terms of result of

1821
03:05:36,435 --> 03:05:41,706
these cases is the exact same thing. Some period of probation community service

1822
03:05:41,706 --> 03:05:46,778
restitution. They've been apology letter and the same thing over and over again. And

1823
03:05:46,778 --> 03:05:50,582
we started having these really critical conversations with their community about is that

1824
03:05:50,582 --> 03:05:57,560
actually working? Does it actually work to do that over and over again? And what we

1825
03:05:57,560 --> 03:06:03,461
found was that going back 10 years? Is that the recidivism was really off the charts

1826
03:06:03,461 --> 03:06:09,601
between 29. 35% of cases that repetitively and then we also learned about the racial

1827
03:06:09,601 --> 03:06:16,809
disparities, how it got a lot worse people would come in over and over again. And just

1828
03:06:16,809 --> 03:06:23,816
All of that. So that but started the journey where said that we would share our

1829
03:06:23,816 --> 03:06:28,821
decision-making power of with the public defender. And somebody that would be

1830
03:06:28,821 --> 03:06:32,900
representative of our community, especially the committee that has been most

1831
03:06:32,900 --> 03:06:39,164
impacted by crime. And so we created collaborative review team for 8 and a big part of

1832
03:06:39,164 --> 03:06:49,164
what we do in terms of making those decisions is the kind of a shared decision-making. So.

1833
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The police when they go investigate something. They're not investigating. Like what

1834
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are the underlying reasons for? That why this youth was acting out. Whatever those are

1835
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kind of inappropriate questions that they would. It would be a part of the police

1836
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report. But through this collaborative you team because we have these conversations,

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we can go out and seek that information because the public defenders are part of this

1838
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decision-making process. It's very appropriate and very legal. And so through that, I

1839
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think the quality. Of the decisions that we are making about what we should do it to

1840
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respond to this behavior and to get the behavior to stop and to do right by the person

1841
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that was harmed, quality of that has improved b the collaborative decision-making.

1842
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we don't have the slides in here because that you guys have all read about it. But

1843
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the University Florida just did a study. And the you know that like the 10 years when we

1844
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launched in July. 21 and then the 3 years afterwards rated all of, you know, the data

1845
03:07:54,373 --> 03:07:59,778
that very clear that like by doing the re imagined approach, utilizing

1846
03:07:59,778 --> 03:08:04,716
restorative justice sharing of power. The decision-making. It was leading to a much better

1847
03:08:04,716 --> 03:08:09,854
outcome recidivism. Maybe that's all in the public domain. You could look at that

1848
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if anybody out there doesn't believe me. So we decided this is a new performance metric

1849
03:08:17,129 --> 03:08:21,650
it's very much aligned with kind of how our method is. And Ramsey County above bring

1850
03:08:21,650 --> 03:08:26,404
community to the table. So we wanted to counter get a percentage of like all the

1851
03:08:26,404 --> 03:08:35,404
cases in our office. What percentage was there? Some the kid power sharing in the

1852
03:08:36,850 --> 03:08:43,885
decision-making and what we do with responding to. misbehavior. And so you can

1853
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these are the numbers that we kind of have formulated. And that number is increasing. And

1854
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so we have a goal, 50% of all the cases in the youth division. Would be utilizing

1855
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some frm of method like this. And so I think that goes to your question earlier.

1856
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Commissioner Jean, you would also talked about the cases involving girls right. And

1857
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thank you to the board for receiving doing the study that you think all of you received.

1858
03:09:19,662 --> 03:09:25,668
And I think this this process, when there slightly higher percentage of cases involving

1859
03:09:25,668 --> 03:09:31,675
girls that get the benefit of this type of process. So does that answer your question,

1860
03:09:31,675 --> 03:09:36,679
commissioner, that you yeah, I asked you know, who are the partners or one of the

1861
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services that have changed all of port because? >> the report it said that the

1862
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girl felt like they were like specific help or that they weren't listened to.

1863
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>> Thank you so much for that. question because this is read the next point that I want to

1864
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get into. So when we share our power to make decisions, one of the things that people want

1865
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and what we have all agreed on is that when we have more culturally secific or more

1866
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may be gender specific programming because the decisions that we are making

1867
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can be one of lake for things. One is refer back to parents with supports and services

1868
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right? The second thing is community-based accountability, which is sort

1869
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of justice in that bucket. We all of prtfolio diversion providers for restored of

1870
03:10:26,529 --> 03:10:31,734
practitioners. I should say. Who could provide the services and each one has a very

1871
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distinct way that they're gonna be able to help the specific certain type of.

1872
03:10:39,208 --> 03:10:42,812
person with a different type of background. And I really think that's another big part

1873
03:10:42,812 --> 03:10:51,212
of this Meeting the people that are going through the programming with the specific

1874
03:10:52,823 --> 03:10:57,627
lens that's going to help them. I think it in the day chief, the accountability that

1875
03:10:57,627 --> 03:11:02,298
needs to happen in the resolution of the case. to ensure that the behavior

1876
03:11:02,298 --> 03:11:11,298
doesn't happen again. >> just last question why do you feel that or was that the

1877
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girls may be more likely to expand share community power than boys or non gender

1878
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conforming. >> You know, I don't know the answer to that is just that.

1879
03:11:21,985 --> 03:11:27,560
The data which had to do to pull you hve any specific thought or idea. But I think

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that, you know, I I do. I do want speculate. >> Welcome

1881
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>> to table. Please introduce I am the full for them. Direct of strategic initiatives and

1882
03:11:44,741 --> 03:11:49,541
partnerships with the County Attorney's Office. Thank Commissioners.

1883
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>> The so one So this includes encompasses this percentage encompasses when we're

1884
03:11:57,487 --> 03:12:01,557
referring back to community either as your parents can, can handle this. So we're not

1885
03:12:01,557 --> 03:12:09,232
going to petition or referring to a community-based provider or that community was involved

1886
03:12:09,232 --> 03:12:12,902
in the process or our collaborative review team. So even if it ultimate decision

1887
03:12:12,902 --> 03:12:16,639
is to petition, that went to collaborate you. We were showing up our community to

1888
03:12:16,639 --> 03:12:24,439
that process. Now there are certain. all like our delinquent acts that are

1889
03:12:26,649 --> 03:12:35,458
eligible for C A T so things like if there's a fire arm, it resulted death. it's like

1890
03:12:35,458 --> 03:12:39,462
level 1, 2, assaults, s higher level more violent crimes. I think think the

1891
03:12:39,462 --> 03:12:45,869
girls report. Support of this as well as as long as research into girls and delinquent much

1892
03:12:45,869 --> 03:12:51,674
less likely to be violent crime. So they're more likely to be put into a position

1893
03:12:51,674 --> 03:12:57,614
where they're eligible for CRT and for cmmunity programming. It's also important to note

1894
03:12:57,614 --> 03:13:04,621
the data from the girls report. I think it went through the end of 2021, maybe

1895
03:13:04,621 --> 03:13:09,559
and RJ. Why in this work started July of 2021. So that report is likely not

1896
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reflecting experience girls going through our Jim. Why they would have previous

1897
03:13:14,297 --> 03:13:19,768
diversion process. version process did not specific programming. Where is now? We

1898
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do have programming that is really targeted to girls or >> gentle. Jen is one of our

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providers. We also has playing really that does a lot of girl orient of programming. And

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03:13:31,848 --> 03:13:35,510
then we've also just greatly expanded. We've got 10 different providers and we can

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fall off and send you information about all of those contracts that have in place.

1902
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Thank you so much. That's that's what I was looking Like the change comparing it to the

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03:13:44,590 --> 03:13:48,131
report. Some thank But I think that report is very important. Thank you for actions that

1904
03:13:48,131 --> 03:13:53,870
we'll take in relation to that. >> And then we are second to

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03:13:53,870 --> 03:13:57,730
last slide it. So that's qualitatively that just an experience of somebody who is

1906
03:13:57,730 --> 03:14:02,946
going through. >> programming. But just I mean, we have the data to

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03:14:02,946 --> 03:14:06,282
prove, you know, like what we've been doing since July 2021, he's performing far

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03:14:06,282 --> 03:14:14,223
better. Then what we did prior to 2021 and then also, too, I think it's important to think

1909
03:14:14,223 --> 03:14:22,432
about the just feedback that you get from people that have gone through the programs I'm

1910
03:14:22,432 --> 03:14:27,904
hearing vry, very positive things. And then. >> Lastly, you the county

1911
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manager asked us to talk about the we kinda buckets. First of all, the expectations and

1912
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strategies for improvement. One of the things that were delving really deep into its

1913
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of going to be the theme. We have an annual meeting every year.

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>> For our office will be at the Badness Heights Community Center. And we get everybody

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03:14:49,993 --> 03:14:56,999
in a row of one of the things that we're launching is kind of alignment around vision and

1916
03:14:56,999 --> 03:15:02,826
values. course, part of that is the county's goals. But we have vision and values just

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within. >> The office were working workflows and improving

1918
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standard operating procedures. And then one of the things that we are kind of top of

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03:15:15,572 --> 03:15:19,442
mind is the reimagined justice for youth and the clever review team work that's been

1920
03:15:19,442 --> 03:15:24,247
happening. >> That's been put together because some of the work here

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at this table here. But also mainly because of our ability to get grants and so at those.

1922
03:15:31,921 --> 03:15:35,859
So we recognize that there's external things. But we're working very hard to try to

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figure out ways in which we can. Continue that. And so we do believe that there are

1924
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opportunities to work with the Legislature to pass continue some of this funding and

1925
03:15:47,470 --> 03:15:52,750
filled out that capacity. They have come to those great support for this of the

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03:15:52,750 --> 03:15:57,800
foundation community. So I think that just because of the outcomes that we're will be

1927
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able to figure something else. I'm very optimistic about that. And then, of

1928
03:16:01,418 --> 03:16:09,818
opportunities for stronger collaboration. I think one of the things says we think about

1929
03:16:09,826 --> 03:16:12,962
one big change that occurred at the Legislature. This is one thing as you all of you

1930
03:16:12,962 --> 03:16:20,162
lobby, the legislature when they make these very fundamentally big changes. And

1931
03:16:22,105 --> 03:16:30,513
we've got insist more. I think that they pay for them. You're And so one big issue is just

1932
03:16:30,513 --> 03:16:37,120
know, just the change-up, jurisdiction for juvenile delinquents, a raise. He age.

1933
03:16:37,120 --> 03:16:41,992
I think it it's a it's a fine an initiative. But there's just we need to find out some

1934
03:16:41,992 --> 03:16:48,640
things. It said a lot of cases. I think it was about 50 for something like that. The

1935
03:16:48,640 --> 03:16:52,335
last year, but one. So while you're going to get some various very the serious

1936
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things that just someone needs to respond to. And I really think the small number of

1937
03:16:57,140 --> 03:17:04,481
cases that we get most of them are somewhat serious. I think our county and my office is

1938
03:17:04,481 --> 03:17:07,684
doing great job of collaborating and working to provide clarity to the people

1939
03:17:07,684 --> 03:17:15,425
of the front lines like the police. So I know that they appreciate But just getting

1940
03:17:15,425 --> 03:17:22,566
more support for this vision this one, Ramsey County, I couldn't say more about how

1941
03:17:22,566 --> 03:17:26,369
important it is, especially for this population. We're talking about really young

1942
03:17:26,369 --> 03:17:33,643
kids where the court and the funding that's associated with. Prosecution is that

1943
03:17:33,643 --> 03:17:38,981
really no longer available or that intervention for the speak? Have a good judge say

1944
03:17:38,981 --> 03:17:44,987
you need to do these things for now. It's kind of in the context o kind build out

1945
03:17:44,987 --> 03:17:50,526
really, of voluntary. Or if they'll change the laws to make child protection there

1946
03:17:50,526 --> 03:17:55,865
some ways to do that. But they're going we just have to think that through to make

1947
03:17:55,865 --> 03:17:59,469
sure that we have the responses and services that are necessary to just support

1948
03:17:59,469 --> 03:18:05,941
families to get to better outcomes. >> So stop there. So with

1949
03:18:05,941 --> 03:18:13,141
that, going to have Commissioner Miller. >> try to end this beef by 3

1950
03:18:13,149 --> 03:18:23,149
o'clock. It is t 34 point you probably answered only go to the and this I'm so sorry.

1951
03:18:25,628 --> 03:18:32,168
>> Okay. Honor last. That's tied for the cases who share power with community. What is

1952
03:18:32,168 --> 03:18:36,239
so with all that great stuff that's happening with When the grant funding ends in June,

1953
03:18:36,239 --> 03:18:41,844
then what? How do we continue this work? So we're not losing momentum in the work already

1954
03:18:41,844 --> 03:18:48,444
doing. >> Well, so thank you. And just think about were in 2026.

1955
03:18:50,586 --> 03:18:57,260
Give me a heart attack. There like that the infant just expire. points with 7. So this

1956
03:18:57,260 --> 03:19:06,202
is what we're doing. So one of the things is that under for the restart of justice

1957
03:19:06,202 --> 03:19:11,341
contracts that we have at our office to provide. >> That long menu of very

1958
03:19:11,341 --> 03:19:18,541
culturally specific restored of responses right? We were blessed to get $500,000 from

1959
03:19:22,351 --> 03:19:24,420
R-Ky program that was started at that was like the largest grant in the state of

1960
03:19:24,420 --> 03:19:33,963
Minnesota. Some of that money. I think it was like 5 million dollars. It was a big pot of

1961
03:19:33,963 --> 03:19:41,237
money. A lot of it has gone unspent. Okay. So we are going try to lobby. For that money

1962
03:19:41,237 --> 03:19:47,710
being returned to the general fund and somehow it's got to be put back into the grant

1963
03:19:47,710 --> 03:19:50,914
program and then there's still some money that was appropriate last session. I

1964
03:19:50,914 --> 03:19:55,585
believe. But it's just it's a smaller amount. So somehow I think the legislative solution

1965
03:19:55,585 --> 03:20:02,258
is an important one. And then another part of the plan would be to talk with the foundation

1966
03:20:02,258 --> 03:20:11,334
community to provide some of the bridge funding a well. I believe that in some ways to

1967
03:20:11,334 --> 03:20:17,540
like it or youth justice division, we've been able to absorb some of the footwork as

1968
03:20:17,540 --> 03:20:23,812
well. So as we move forward, you know, we're going to have like this camp. And so we are

1969
03:20:23,812 --> 03:20:27,283
going to make that push up the legislature this year, too, make sure that first of all,

1970
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we also have to apply for reapply for our grant funding. I don't know that. Look at

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03:20:33,556 --> 03:20:39,295
$500,000. So that would be some of that. And then, of course, we Them not to just

1972
03:20:39,295 --> 03:20:45,501
take back the money because other counties are other. People didn't apply for

1973
03:20:45,501 --> 03:20:50,707
restart of Justice Grant because there's money on the table. OK? Thank you.

1974
03:20:50,707 --> 03:20:55,511
>> that's something to that. Maybe mean I know your office says a lot of lobbying

1975
03:20:55,511 --> 03:20:58,914
yourself, but may maybe that one Ramsey County could be a part of our platform as well.

1976
03:20:58,914 --> 03:21:05,788
And however, we can help in those efforts for sure. great. >> I do have a question about

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03:21:05,788 --> 03:21:13,588
the slide. Previous amend page. 46 about the percentage of adults who provided. needy

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during any information how many of the 7% that were successful that did not like

1979
03:21:19,680 --> 03:21:25,608
commit crimes or he had completed their alternative to the felony conviction

1980
03:21:25,608 --> 03:21:29,260
successfully. >> We do it or have a we get to you. But to tip of a

1981
03:21:29,260 --> 03:21:33,300
diversion program performed very well. Yeah. And if you one day it be great to see how

1982
03:21:33,300 --> 03:21:40,771
it performs against repetitive convictions. Yeah. that's what we did for the youth. Justice

1983
03:21:40,771 --> 03:21:47,978
were kept. >> OK, that good. And then I'm not that fact 47, sorry. I

1984
03:21:47,978 --> 03:21:53,584
Nicole mentioned the collaborative review who's a part of that collaborative

1985
03:21:53,584 --> 03:21:57,921
review group Fort for the poor, the youth cases and >> how are you a part of that?

1986
03:21:57,921 --> 03:22:03,127
Who's a part of it and how do become a part of that group? >> So the it's an arrangement

1987
03:22:03,127 --> 03:22:10,401
where we have with the Ramsey County Public defender's to to cut a public defender is in

1988
03:22:10,401 --> 03:22:17,341
the room when we jointly make a decision along with a contractor of this county

1989
03:22:17,341 --> 03:22:22,345
attorneys office who goes through data practices training and all the things

1990
03:22:22,345 --> 03:22:29,190
that you need to understand and know about our laws about confidentiality and privacy.

1991
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But that is kind of comes through a leadership team process. That's right that we

1992
03:22:35,292 --> 03:22:42,166
work with the community So that voice for that perspective intended to be one

1993
03:22:42,166 --> 03:22:46,570
that represents the K in that aspect of community. This most impacted by crime.

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03:22:46,570 --> 03:22:50,574
>> Thank you for that. I just a note to yur opportunities for stronger collaboration. I

1995
03:22:50,574 --> 03:22:54,979
think that is a really great color. Really great specific performance measure to have on

1996
03:22:54,979 --> 03:22:59,383
here in the last one. Just because we know something's working in the model that you

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03:22:59,383 --> 03:23:03,387
have. How can w expand that to other areas of the county and maybe even outside of the

1998
03:23:03,387 --> 03:23:09,526
EU area as well? >> Yeah, I think it's really exciting that I think in child

1999
03:23:09,526 --> 03:23:13,930
protection they're having some conversations about this. Not all working with community as

2000
03:23:13,930 --> 03:23:23,273
a part of from the de for the African Preservation Act in as a part of those deep

2001
03:23:23,273 --> 03:23:27,760
conversations and conversations have kind of sprung up, maybe that there

2002
03:23:27,760 --> 03:23:31,548
should be ways in which community could be involved in some of that decision-making.

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03:23:31,548 --> 03:23:37,887
So I think that is pretty exciting. >> Yeah, I agree. Thank you.

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Thank you so much. Commissioner Miller and Thank yes and and my mind if ISIS

2005
03:23:44,828 --> 03:23:49,633
and one percent. So apologize if I definitely to my papers. >> One of the things I wanted

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03:23:49,633 --> 03:23:54,972
to bring up, this is on the it seems if some of these last couple of slides are really

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03:23:54,972 --> 03:24:02,112
looking at the work of how do we make sure when behaviors or circumstances bring

2008
03:24:02,112 --> 03:24:05,315
individuals into an interruption, how do we make sure we're giving the most

2009
03:24:05,315 --> 03:24:08,118
positive constructive interruption, whether that services, whether that's

2010
03:24:08,118 --> 03:24:12,389
mental health, substance use support. >> Whether that's you know,

2011
03:24:12,389 --> 03:24:20,330
with kids, it's more holistic. Family supports. So I starting with with our use, one of the

2012
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things I was going to ask is as we are getting better with the

2013
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>> kind of filtering out with that community voice who who we are supporting through

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03:24:32,943 --> 03:24:35,780
their families and making sure that those, you know, the families getting support that

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they need in the child can continue go down that route or whether they are assigned to

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refer to a community-based organization to help them with some more structured sense of

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what's next how my guess is that the complexity of some of those cases or the the what

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that child or that use needs to get to a more positive spaces is a little bit more

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complex because we're doing a better job only having those kind of levels of higher level

2020
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of interventions reserve for that. What are we doing when it comes to? Seeing under that

2021
03:25:10,180 --> 03:25:15,585
one Ramsey County goal to make sure that that we're not having either gaps or overlaps

2022
03:25:15,585 --> 03:25:20,124
with other existing services throughout Greater Ramsey County. So that as grant

2023
03:25:20,124 --> 03:25:26,396
dollars are limited as as different initiatives, kind of run their course and funding

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03:25:26,396 --> 03:25:31,134
comes scares and we make sure we're utilizing perhaps programs and services already

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03:25:31,134 --> 03:25:33,736
within Ramsey County tat aren't specifically having to be funded to the county

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03:25:33,736 --> 03:25:40,544
attorney's office. I think that's a good. >> Piece of like entry point

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into a conversation to make sure that we're wasting money, right? That's important. But I

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think that they're the day it's about that outcome. And so we believe that we're

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getting that outcome because we're using shorter practices. It's not just about the joint

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decision-making as well. And so keep in mind when they're sober for a world that's made

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03:26:00,497 --> 03:26:05,768
from law enforcement, there could be a victim. Right? So that's another part of all of

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this, too. And it's a part of a potentially kind like a case that we've already reviewed

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it. actually believe a crime has been committed. that every instance. Will there be

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victim, but in some cases, so will be. And so the cases that do come in, I mean, we have

2035
03:26:25,655 --> 03:26:28,992
like auto theft cases. We'll some of the more serious ones who could have domestic abuse

2036
03:26:28,992 --> 03:26:37,000
cases. And so there's an underlying conflict there that also needs to be addressed.

2037
03:26:37,000 --> 03:26:45,275
And so our providers provide that for that. There is this. guess the uniqueness, guess.

2038
03:26:45,275 --> 03:26:50,790
Because we're trying to get that person. To have empathy for the person that they

2039
03:26:50,790 --> 03:26:57,354
harmed. And take accountability for that to right by the victim. So that

2040
03:26:57,354 --> 03:27:04,161
has to happen as well. I don't know that that is a part of the goal of like a. Child

2041
03:27:04,161 --> 03:27:09,165
protection responds, so to speak. Read. But I think relates to lake programming.

2042
03:27:09,165 --> 03:27:15,906
There can be things to be thinking about except for the day that's the part of the

2043
03:27:15,906 --> 03:27:21,111
solution to. >> I think I think my set up there was 2, 2 questions

2044
03:27:21,111 --> 03:27:23,713
wrapped in one. So let me pursue my little bit. So the first the first part of that

2045
03:27:23,713 --> 03:27:30,187
is because we do want to services around youth and in and families to best support,

2046
03:27:30,187 --> 03:27:36,393
better outcomes. One just this just the idea of how how are we utilize existing Ramsey

2047
03:27:36,393 --> 03:27:42,666
County resources for that? But then the second piece would be when we working with outside

2048
03:27:42,666 --> 03:27:48,739
agencies who are helping with that restored peace. How are we continuing to re-evaluate

2049
03:27:48,739 --> 03:27:53,944
expectations for those organizations? How that how the programs are actually

2050
03:27:53,944 --> 03:27:59,758
doing that really delicate restored of work. And then how are we supporting those

2051
03:27:59,758 --> 03:28:04,696
organizations and reimbursing them so that they can do that? With fidelity? So that would

2052
03:28:04,696 --> 03:28:09,235
be that he said that separate from just making sure we're doing all that we can to give

2053
03:28:09,235 --> 03:28:13,573
this use of a better next for a fresh start. >> Well, thanks for the latter

2054
03:28:13,573 --> 03:28:20,579
part of, but sure that we properly provider that is really important piece of it.

2055
03:28:20,579 --> 03:28:24,450
We just went through a R p process about a year ago for all of the providers. one of

2056
03:28:24,450 --> 03:28:30,456
the things that we noticed was that the price? Of doing this work i increased rate. So we

2057
03:28:30,456 --> 03:28:40,456
do need to properly pay them. But I think the we have a. >> Like we are so committed to

2058
03:28:40,933 --> 03:28:43,335
data evaluation. mean, I'm sure are. One of the things that the providers are talking

2059
03:28:43,335 --> 03:28:49,542
about is that we asking for too much data credit. but it's tipped measure there.

2060
03:28:49,542 --> 03:28:54,547
Performer to now come into recidivism is one of the metrics has really critical to

2061
03:28:54,547 --> 03:29:00,686
us. If you look at reimagined justice for you site and look at all, the few of including a

2062
03:29:00,686 --> 03:29:09,270
big part of their analysis is on the recidivism question, right? And so those programs a

2063
03:29:09,270 --> 03:29:15,501
4% rate, which is really, really, really good in terms of recent of innings. So so we

2064
03:29:15,501 --> 03:29:22,240
will always be looking for those metrics. And of course, we need to have. There's a

2065
03:29:22,240 --> 03:29:24,843
there's just an aspect of contract management that I think our staff is very much

2066
03:29:24,843 --> 03:29:29,648
engaged in to make sure that they're delivering on the things that they have promised

2067
03:29:29,648 --> 03:29:34,920
us that state. >> And ten to shifting a little bit, too or adult

2068
03:29:34,920 --> 03:29:42,527
population. One of the things that I think place us in such many ways is is one folks

2069
03:29:42,527 --> 03:29:45,397
getting involved in our criminal justice system and finding ourselves in our in

2070
03:29:45,397 --> 03:29:54,206
our jails or or big presence beyond is that we're not meeting needs for mental

2071
03:29:54,206 --> 03:29:57,609
health substance, use other economic disparities, things that are happening ahead of

2072
03:29:57,609 --> 03:30:03,810
time. Bt then once they are in our system, so many folks are are are not in the

2073
03:30:03,810 --> 03:30:07,820
appropriate place or space for them to truly have a positive interaction and support. And I

2074
03:30:07,820 --> 03:30:14,559
guess I guess a question or scan to ask is thank you one for the work in and county

2075
03:30:14,559 --> 03:30:18,296
attorney side with working with her alternative courts to working with law enforcement

2076
03:30:18,296 --> 03:30:24,636
to trying to fit, figure out more positive ways to to get to what what's really going to

2077
03:30:24,636 --> 03:30:29,508
change some of these a community ultimately safer. But I'm wondering what are

2078
03:30:29,508 --> 03:30:36,182
some of the sticking points in in that? I mean, I I was hearing one of lawyers who has

2079
03:30:36,182 --> 03:30:42,788
been working on this. They dd a library education yesterday and talking about the

2080
03:30:42,788 --> 03:30:46,858
bottleneck with some of our forensic navigators and getting people net, you know,

2081
03:30:46,858 --> 03:30:49,595
placed into where they need to go and next steps and some other kind of things. And I'm

2082
03:30:49,595 --> 03:30:55,467
just wondering if there's any that's of that puzzle that that that you can enlighten us

2083
03:30:55,467 --> 03:31:01,473
on. That would help with with that. As a? >> Well, the most important

2084
03:31:01,473 --> 03:31:10,616
questions said that kind of next. For for decades. This coast. And this goes back to

2085
03:31:10,616 --> 03:31:15,200
1970's. I mean, there's a report that I have in my office. He uses very

2086
03:31:15,200 --> 03:31:22,762
inappropriate language. But it's talking about the same types of issues around mental

2087
03:31:22,762 --> 03:31:29,234
health. I think got exacerbated greatly during pandemic period. But there's a

2088
03:31:29,234 --> 03:31:34,373
great opportunity to try to figure something out this. I mean, we could be here for

2089
03:31:34,373 --> 03:31:39,845
another hour to talk about this. But it is trying to figure that solution. Note

2090
03:31:39,845 --> 03:31:46,185
about where do we appropriately pt place people and sometimes you can place

2091
03:31:46,185 --> 03:31:51,323
from because we have a constitution that you have to voluntarily get them there or

2092
03:31:51,323 --> 03:31:58,663
maybe the court can order them to do that. If they're a part of some sort of process. the

2093
03:31:58,663 --> 03:32:04,402
whole, the whole system is a tough one to navigate. But I think that in Ramsey County,

2094
03:32:04,402 --> 03:32:11,610
though, there is a lot of great work that's happening within the county and with the

2095
03:32:11,610 --> 03:32:15,280
staff in my office and the collaboration with our providers.

2096
03:32:15,280 --> 03:32:19,685
>> And I think we're trying to do the best that we can, but still, issue is such a big

2097
03:32:19,685 --> 03:32:26,225
one. It delves into it. I think this is maybe something for the board to think about

2098
03:32:26,225 --> 03:32:32,970
it. Delves into like thinking about it a very strategic way. How to maximize follow these

2099
03:32:32,970 --> 03:32:38,170
financial disincentives and incentives and trying to figure out a way to find some

2100
03:32:38,170 --> 03:32:46,570
savings and then do something. Locally probably entails of a lobbying effort that somehow

2101
03:32:47,580 --> 03:32:50,649
figure a way to solve our own problems I've been around this for a long time. And I've come

2102
03:32:50,649 --> 03:32:54,587
to the realization that when it comes to this issue, the state of Minnesota will not

2103
03:32:54,587 --> 03:33:01,660
sell this for ourselves. And I think that the if local government or region can

2104
03:33:01,660 --> 03:33:06,865
figure it out for themselves, were going to do better. So we have a lot of people who are

2105
03:33:06,865 --> 03:33:11,536
thinking about this in your county manager spent a lot of time thinking about this. I

2106
03:33:11,536 --> 03:33:15,730
judge to carry a sense but a lot of time thinking about this. But we haven't gotten a

2107
03:33:15,730 --> 03:33:21,680
place where we have agreed and maybe. Pulling up the largest holder you could ever imagine

2108
03:33:21,680 --> 03:33:26,485
up the mountain and none of us will be able to get that boulder up to the top of the

2109
03:33:26,485 --> 03:33:32,491
mountain or cells. We have to do it all collectively and together. And so we've had

2110
03:33:32,491 --> 03:33:36,695
some of those conversations. Community been a part of that commissioner. And I know you

2111
03:33:36,695 --> 03:33:42,501
have Commissioner Jeff saying I do. You have expressed a lot of recent interest in this

2112
03:33:42,501 --> 03:33:46,772
issue and you're asking questions about the money, which I think is where we need

2113
03:33:46,772 --> 03:33:53,446
to go to try to figure out the into the into the distance. That the to get away to news.

2114
03:33:53,446 --> 03:33:59,985
That is baby, a revenue stream to maybe pay for something moving forward. But that's

2115
03:33:59,985 --> 03:34:04,789
>> we just we need everybody kind figured out how to get to a place where we decide t.

2116
03:34:04,789 --> 03:34:09,728
>> Pick up that rock and pulled up the well in all to stand with the same same

2117
03:34:09,728 --> 03:34:13,265
invitation. Ad I know that you and the sheriff's office and other folks have been

2118
03:34:13,265 --> 03:34:18,804
working on this for quite a long time. >> And that there are folks

2119
03:34:18,804 --> 03:34:21,807
statewide who been working on. This is county commissioner levels. Well, with a lot of

2120
03:34:21,807 --> 03:34:25,811
the subsurface association. So pink open invitation to continue these conversations

2121
03:34:25,811 --> 03:34:32,150
and see if tere is a legislative alignment that concert the lease leaned up

2122
03:34:32,150 --> 03:34:36,755
against that folders, a tryst about the Hill. >> County manager of yeah.

2123
03:34:36,755 --> 03:34:42,961
Thank you, Madam Chair. I wanted answer Commission our Commissioner Miller's question

2124
03:34:42,961 --> 03:34:45,964
about the ongoing funding for some of this work for youth. I appreciated you chose these

2125
03:34:45,964 --> 03:34:52,570
measures because we're trying that kind of the budget investments to the measures.

2126
03:34:52,570 --> 03:34:59,770
so within the 26 27 budget, the board actually approved $269,000 for youth and adult

2127
03:35:00,512 --> 03:35:04,315
services. So cases can be diverted from traditional legal system and resolved in

2128
03:35:04,315 --> 03:35:10,915
the community. And then there was another additional $114,000, both in 26 27 for

2129
03:35:11,590 --> 03:35:17,195
the restart of outreach and support coordinator to continue to engage parents and

2130
03:35:17,195 --> 03:35:20,999
people have been harmed as part of your imagine justice youth work so you know, I

2131
03:35:20,999 --> 03:35:25,470
think we had a lot of conversation about you wanting to continue that work. And we

2132
03:35:25,470 --> 03:35:30,142
did make ongoing investments both those areas that are being called out i your

2133
03:35:30,142 --> 03:35:36,414
measures. So I just want to make sure the board were making that connection itself.

2134
03:35:36,414 --> 03:35:42,821
Commissioner, Thank you. Madam as we've been saying this. >> Work begin stand for hours.

2135
03:35:42,821 --> 03:35:49,227
Just talking about all the importance of this work and what what we all love to

2136
03:35:49,227 --> 03:35:53,899
happen with it. And I'm up for me not right now, but I really want to have workshop so we

2137
03:35:53,899 --> 03:35:58,360
can all you can keep discussing this because I really appreciate your now. G

2138
03:35:58,360 --> 03:36:04,376
of moving a boulder up the Hill, maximizing incentives minimizing disincentives, you

2139
03:36:04,376 --> 03:36:08,513
know, all the work we have to do, getting our legislature to pay for their. There are

2140
03:36:08,513 --> 03:36:13,185
mandates the things that they change in law that that put work that on all of us and

2141
03:36:13,185 --> 03:36:18,256
getting them to pay for that. It's an ongoing effort by all of us. And I really appreciate

2142
03:36:18,256 --> 03:36:25,597
county manager and all of County Attorney Choi, a vote. You know, we just can't keep

2143
03:36:25,597 --> 03:36:29,601
doing the things we've been doing in the way that we've been doing pay for it. And so

2144
03:36:29,601 --> 03:36:34,339
we do want to rethink how we're doing all of these things. And I think I mean, I

2145
03:36:34,339 --> 03:36:37,676
personally am a port. I think the school board would love to have these conversations and

2146
03:36:37,676 --> 03:36:44,148
I'm looking forward to that and how we really reimagined power doing the work that our

2147
03:36:44,148 --> 03:36:49,421
residents really need. I'm going to save all of my comments in question for that

2148
03:36:49,421 --> 03:36:54,226
opportunity. Madam Cair, think think you but I just got to say thanks to the county

2149
03:36:54,226 --> 03:36:59,765
attorney for all your work. You do go to the Legislature for grants for funding. We

2150
03:36:59,765 --> 03:37:03,835
appreciate that. You do think about things early on in the early intervention prevention.

2151
03:37:03,835 --> 03:37:08,507
I know you've done that. You're whole life and I'm glad that you're with the county

2152
03:37:08,507 --> 03:37:12,778
working on that in your department with all that here, giving that incentive to all

2153
03:37:12,778 --> 03:37:16,381
of your. >> Your your all of your work or, you know all of your

2154
03:37:16,381 --> 03:37:22,454
staff. So thank you. Thank you for your partnership. Thank you, Commissioner.

2155
03:37:22,454 --> 03:37:27,792
>> question just ging to make a statement because if you have been a leader in a

2156
03:37:27,792 --> 03:37:36,192
champion in this area, I there's I have saving all my list of the

2157
03:37:40,939 --> 03:37:45,343
>> There's a quote that I won this year. It came from The Star a few years back to say

2158
03:37:45,343 --> 03:37:50,743
yes. >> Ramsey County attorney John Shore provides blueprint for

2159
03:37:50,949 --> 03:37:59,949
progressive. Prosecution. And that is the view. Because it's hard for others to re. Imagine

2160
03:38:05,897 --> 03:38:10,350
what justice looks Right? Without think that we've got to be crime. Tough own craft

2161
03:38:10,350 --> 03:38:14,840
crime. We gotta lock them up. Prosecute. And we're going to get different solution, right?

2162
03:38:14,840 --> 03:38:20,779
going to make everything so much safer. And you as an elected official over

2163
03:38:20,779 --> 03:38:26,779
department, government have come in and transform prosecution prosecutor looks

2164
03:38:27,252 --> 03:38:34,526
can look like if you have taken some heat around the state. around this country

2165
03:38:34,526 --> 03:38:42,267
when your positions of how you see doing this work and so you know, want to say thank you

2166
03:38:42,267 --> 03:38:49,700
for your work. Thank you for your leadership and give an example of what I mean when

2167
03:38:49,700 --> 03:38:55,547
about what transformation looks like, for example, looking at a traffic stop,

2168
03:38:55,547 --> 03:39:00,819
right? We talked open up with the sheriff about why is those numbers so high? All right.

2169
03:39:00,819 --> 03:39:07,692
What are we seeing? population from the black community? Who are being in? at a high number

2170
03:39:07,692 --> 03:39:16,234
others. And so I'm just going to read this what you say looking at Trump traffic

2171
03:39:16,234 --> 03:39:24,340
stops, no charges for low-level traffic stops. And stay it. warning letter. All

2172
03:39:27,179 --> 03:39:32,117
right, with details about available financial assistance programs for repairs of

2173
03:39:32,117 --> 03:39:38,524
equipment foundation like a broken headlight. People getting stop sent to jail

2174
03:39:38,524 --> 03:39:42,527
something like that is like stop it. You know, we can do this and we can do this

2175
03:39:42,527 --> 03:39:46,398
differently right? And save some dollars. Say something that this this state, the

2176
03:39:46,398 --> 03:39:52,937
county, some Dolly's by looking at how we need a solution to the forefront. So

2177
03:39:52,937 --> 03:39:58,876
I just want to say, you know, you have really been you that that holistic process, a

2178
03:39:58,876 --> 03:40:01,880
comprehensive process, evidence-based practices. >> You know, looking at store

2179
03:40:01,880 --> 03:40:10,221
justice. The work that you've down with ABC partnership with the Sheriff's office, we have

2180
03:40:10,221 --> 03:40:12,824
to create stronger partnerships. This is not something you can do bag

2181
03:40:12,824 --> 03:40:17,695
itself. You need to show office. You need this county board, uni other parties that

2182
03:40:17,695 --> 03:40:24,703
the legislature and I have seen you do your work legislatively to bring those

2183
03:40:24,703 --> 03:40:28,306
unlikely partners together to create the change and moving direction to have been helpful

2184
03:40:28,306 --> 03:40:35,647
for. Are you f-ing communities here Ramsey County and I was safe to be a model for others

2185
03:40:35,647 --> 03:40:40,852
to look at how we can solve the problems and issues. Around justice, criminal

2186
03:40:40,852 --> 03:40:48,520
behavior. I saw that we lead and prevention intervention to partnering with

2187
03:40:52,413 --> 03:40:56,818
community-based organization believe second chances in support of youth through

2188
03:40:56,818 --> 03:41:01,423
therapy unit, intensive care, housing for you. That is going to be coming online. Hopefully

2189
03:41:01,423 --> 03:41:10,698
if do, the journey has been long, but we do believe that it is. way that we can work.

2190
03:41:10,698 --> 03:41:15,837
support our young people. I want to do a quote that came from that I believe

2191
03:41:15,837 --> 03:41:25,646
wholeheartedly wealth and use the act. Do my work to type of myself. When I ex the early

2192
03:41:25,646 --> 03:41:33,655
led to here, it's like how can we keep those numbers down in our criminal justice system?

2193
03:41:33,655 --> 03:41:37,124
You know, I was asked Cal nice to force and I want to that. He said we have to invest in

2194
03:41:37,124 --> 03:41:42,597
our youth. Our young people. And as the court to say, easier to build strong

2195
03:41:42,597 --> 03:41:52,197
children in to repair broken me in. It's easy to sheriffs at that. Well, that's the

2196
03:41:54,475 --> 03:41:58,813
court this Incumbent take a her came from Frank was lit time. But I wrote to rel the

2197
03:41:58,813 --> 03:42:02,884
Leadership Council said all the time. Yeah, but it is so true. It is easier to strong

2198
03:42:02,884 --> 03:42:08,230
200 and it is to repair board and the UN. >> Right. So we have to pay

2199
03:42:08,230 --> 03:42:12,160
attention to that. So the work that you do or our youth whole family up wrote.

2200
03:42:12,160 --> 03:42:17,499
>> I think it's a model that has been known do that can be that UK to over and over

2201
03:42:17,499 --> 03:42:20,702
again. So I just want to thank you for your time here for your leadership and for your

2202
03:42:20,702 --> 03:42:27,902
partnership and safer communities to a process that is innovative. Where he

2203
03:42:30,512 --> 03:42:34,782
stepped into it and you lean into it and you transform system. So just want to say

2204
03:42:34,782 --> 03:42:44,382
thank you. Good morning. In the 4 to I continue worked manager you are going way too

2205
03:42:47,128 --> 03:42:51,399
long. You're making me really but know I know where it's coming from. It's coming

2206
03:42:51,399 --> 03:42:53,468
through personal experience. I just really appreciate those

2207
03:42:53,468 --> 03:42:59,207
really, really kind words. But >> truly and I really mean this. None of this happens,

2208
03:42:59,207 --> 03:43:03,945
less we all pull together same direction. And that's something that we do very,

2209
03:43:03,945 --> 03:43:09,484
very well in Ramsey County back in center didn't feel that between the

2210
03:43:09,484 --> 03:43:11,820
commissioners, how you interact with one another. How we think about.

2211
03:43:11,820 --> 03:43:16,958
>> cheating. The goals that want to achieve. I really like the way that this board is

2212
03:43:16,958 --> 03:43:22,497
also interacting with the other elected officials. Sure, were just doing a lot more

2213
03:43:22,497 --> 03:43:29,704
things We really are. And so. >> Let's continue bolster each other up, work together,

2214
03:43:29,704 --> 03:43:36,711
pulling the same direction look for those big boulders. And I also be remiss if I did

2215
03:43:36,711 --> 03:43:41,650
call Mike great leaders and staff my office. I also failed to mention the great work of

2216
03:43:41,650 --> 03:43:48,523
our Civil Division and Jada Lewis. But they have done a tremendous job of representing

2217
03:43:48,523 --> 03:43:53,862
the county just many of you interact with her. But it's all a team effort and I am

2218
03:43:53,862 --> 03:44:01,135
very blessed t be with you in service to our public. >> Thank you. Thank you being

2219
03:44:01,135 --> 03:44:09,611
here come forward. So while we close out remarks from are safe and Justice service teen

2220
03:44:09,611 --> 03:44:13,815
beat. >> And you no, I don't have those remarks, but thank you

2221
03:44:13,815 --> 03:44:18,753
so And I think this was very informative. We've come a long way. There's so much more work

2222
03:44:18,753 --> 03:44:25,226
to do so. Thank you for your time. This into form as measures. Great questions. We

2223
03:44:25,226 --> 03:44:28,764
will get back to you on those questions that we could not answer today. With us. thank

2224
03:44:28,764 --> 03:44:36,437
you. Thank you. So we want to thank you. I would say a former thank you to the

2225
03:44:36,437 --> 03:44:40,776
justices just a service team for wrapping up the series of presentations on performance

2226
03:44:40,776 --> 03:44:43,578
measures. >> Big know of gratitude to these departments for the work

2227
03:44:43,578 --> 03:44:49,117
they do every day to keep residents safe. Advance equity and promote justice in our

2228
03:44:49,117 --> 03:44:53,922
community. Ramsey County continues to be leaders in justice transformation. Thanks

2229
03:44:53,922 --> 03:44:58,794
in large part to the dedication, the creativity and hard work of this team. The

2230
03:44:58,794 --> 03:45:05,994
focus for upcoming meetings would be the 2027 supplemental Budget. Our first public

2231
03:45:07,936 --> 03:45:15,810
hearing on the 2027 supplement and budget would be today. Well, back here at 5 o'clock.

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Here at Saint Paul City Hall right here in NEWSROOM. You can sign up for comments to

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the public. You can sign of sign-up to come with the chief clerk calling 6, 5, 1, 2 to 6.

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2, 6, 6, 9200. Public. If you want to make a comment, you can sign up with the chief

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clerk by calling 6, 5, 1, 2, 6, 6, 90, 200 for me email. The chief clerk at Ramsey

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County that us that's the chief clerk at Ramsey County that U.S.. Or you can sign up

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at the meeting. Just show up. would be here at the board meeting on Tuesday, September

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22nd to bore with it. The 2027 maximum property tax levy. The final public hearing on the

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proposed 20 20th Supplemental budget would be on December. The 3rd at. 6 o'clock. would

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go from 6 o'clock. This the final public hearing prior. So the board action on the

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budget. Finau here hearing the final public hearing is on. I December 3rd, the first public

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hearing is today at 5 o'clock. The board will vote on a final budget in the living increase,

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doing a budget meeting on December 15 and for schedule of upcoming meetings is posted

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on the budget and finance faith. Ramsey County website. I want to thank you all for

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being to thank the public for tuning in. I want to thank the public for within that you

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bring to county governments in the support we're looking forward to hear from you this

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evening. 5 o'clock. Thank you all for being here. See you back. A fact. We are now

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adjourn.