[0:02] that expands call for all through our community driven subcommittee and with
[0:07] financial support from a micro grant, we received from Ramsey County Youth Violence
[0:12] Prevention and some of those activities will be a community, a series of
[0:16] community dinners. And that's a response directly from the community feedback that these
[0:20] gatherings are deeply missed. Restorative practice framework to help families access
[0:25] healing, pathways before a crisis escalates. And then today in-person trained the
[0:33] trainer program recruiting community stakeholders and community champions in healing
[0:38] circles were the final 2 community dinners would feature healing circles
[0:43] facilitated by those newly trained community healers. The impact of these private of
[0:48] these programs is not abstract. They directly strengthen our ability to
[0:52] deliver timely, high-quality emergency communications services, but elevating the
[0:57] community voices and expanding access to resources. Next, I want to walk you through a
[1:06] performance measure. That is the cornerstone of operational excellence and reflects the
[1:10] collective effort of our entire team, which is how quickly we answer 9-1-1.
[1:14] Calls. National standards guide this work, both a national emergency number
[1:20] association nena and the National Fire Protection Association Nfpa. Recommend
[1:27] that 95% of all 9-1-1, calls be answered within 15 seconds and rquire that 99% be
[1:32] answered within 40 seconds. These benchmarks apply to every public safety answering
[1:37] point in the country. In 2024, we strengthen our reporting by implementing more accurate and
[1:45] consistent method for analyzing call handling data. We re calculated our
[1:49] historical numbers including 2023 using this prove methodology. From this point
[1:55] forward. All of our reporting that uses this data approach, giving us a clearer and more
[2:00] reliable picture of the performance over time. A you know, staffing levels directly
[2:06] influence our ability to meet the standards. Our staff manage high stress, often
[2:11] traumatic calls and they frequently work mandated overtime. With recent
[2:17] Minnesota law changes to include Neil breaks earned sick and safe time and paid
[2:20] family and medical leave. They have only intensified this pressure on Making it even
[2:27] more challenging to maintain the staffing levels necessary to be operational standards.
[2:32] These pressures can contribute to burnout and turnover, which in turn may affect call answer
[2:36] times. Our overall turnover rate in 2025. Was 28.5% and we're trending around 17.6%
[2:45] this year. We anticipate that number 2 role, but we are trending lower than we did in
[2:51] 2025. The majority of our turnover is within the first year of employment through
[2:58] probationary terminations, which each termination is discussed with our labor
[3:03] manager. He would resources and attorney partners or we see resignations for personal
[3:08] reasons such is moving choosing a different career path or once they start the
[3:13] training, they realized the job. more difficult than what they thought. We continually
[3:19] strive to make meaningful progress by investing wellness initiatives, like Creative Cup
[3:23] on ya, into our budget, which previously was funded by American Rescue Plan Act fund
[3:27] dollars. In 2027. They will continue to provide monthly on-site support for employees
[3:34] dealing with trauma related stress or personal mental health challenges. They also
[3:40] provide up to 10 off-site sessions. That is in addition to the county's the AP
[3:43] program. We also have an internal pair support team which receives ongoing
[3:49] training to support staff before during and after difficult calls. Additionally,
[3:57] our Empower you initiative is helping strengthen our organizational culture. This
[4:03] work aligns directly with the county's strategic priority of operational Excellence. It
[4:08] includes an ordination organization, White check in survey in-person all staff
[4:14] focus groups leadership retreat. All designed to help us understand where we've
[4:20] been, where we are now and where we want to go as an organization. The result will
[4:26] be a collaborative leash, a plan that reflects the collective wisdom and lived
[4:29] experience of our staff. I also want to thank the board for supporting our class and
[4:34] calm port. That support has helped us retain existing staff and remain competitive
[4:40] as a county where people want to work. I want to emphasize that this work is far more
[4:46] about leading a national standard. It's about building a system that serves people
[4:50] when they need us. The most. That's why we're also investing in technology that
[4:55] supports our staff and improves the cholera experience. With new funding
[5:01] received in 2027. We're implementing tools that will help us process calls more
[5:05] efficiently. One of the most significant advance fence is the development of emergency
[5:11] call handling automation or it's a conversational agent AI designed to manage non
[5:19] emergency calls. Actually make sure I'm really clear only non emergency calls. It is not
[5:22] 9-1-1. Calls. In 2025. 47 1% of all incoming calls came through our non-emergency
[5:29] lines. At least 11% of that was more than 36,000 calls were direct transfers to other
[5:37] departments for information requests. Report follow-ups inquiries about the jail
[5:43] warrants. Courts fingerprinting property room, gun permits, animal control
[5:47] and other non urgent needs. These calls matter, but they consume valuable time and
[5:54] resources that could be directed towards critical instance. Naicco will help
[5:59] reduce hold times free up. Call takers to focus on emergencies requiring
[6:03] judgment, empathy and critical thinking. And help us build Help us better manage high
[6:09] call. Volumes of non-emergency calls. This is not about replacing people are doing
[6:14] more with fewer people. It's about supporting our existing staff, reducing burnout and
[6:20] improving the quality of service that we provide. All of these efforts, wellness,
[6:25] training, culture, technology come together to support one ball. One goal answering 9 law
[6:33] 9-1-1, calls quickly consistently and with the highest level of care for
[6:35] Ramsey County. Next, I want to highlight a performance measure that reflects our one
[6:43] Ramsey County approach to justice transformation. The percentage of person in crisis
[6:49] calls supported through the appropriate response initiative. This is a key
[6:53] indicator of how effectively we're connecting people to the right kind of help. As you
[6:58] heard during county manager Becker's budget hearing, we are now operational icing.
[7:01] This work within ECC operations in 2027. And as part of the supplemental
[7:06] budget. leading air, I from concept into a fully functioning program. This
[7:13] shift marks a significant step forward But, you know, treated response strategies directly
[7:18] into our emergency communications system. I want to pause and acknowledge the
[7:24] board's continued commitment to advance this work. Your support is it enables us to
[7:30] meet people in crisis with the right response at the right time. And it's making a
[7:34] measurable difference in our community. person in crisis calls make up a small but
[7:40] incredibly important portion of our overall call volume. About 1.3% of all calls in the
[7:46] center are categorized as person crisis call types. That equates to a little over 9.
[7:54] 9,300 calls o which 62% were handled by one of the 3 specialized teams in 2025.
[8:03] Embedded social workers, public health responders and the mental health crisis
[8:05] response team. Each of these teams bring trauma, informed expertise and the ability to
[8:11] tailor support to the unique needs of the color. They help stabilize situations, connect
[8:16] residents to services and reduce the likelihood escalation or unnecessary
[8:20] justice system involvement. Person in crisis call types. Directly reflect how often
[8:28] mental health live responses and interventions are needed. It recognizes the impact.
[8:34] Alternative responses have and community calls for trauma informed and harm reduction
[8:38] care. This is what justice transformation looks like in practice. It's what it means
[8:46] to build a system where people in crisis are met with care and support, not stigma.
[8:52] Aaron, his impact goes beyond person in crisis calls. It supports residents across a
[8:57] wide range of situations where a wellness focused response is the right response which can
[9:03] be highlighted through the work of the ECC and that a social worker. Which brings us
[9:10] to our final measure. The percentage of calls transferred to orbit its
[9:13] social worker or as we call them the E S W's. I don't know if you're familiar and 9-1-1,
[9:17] world. We do everything in Akron and so try try not to use them. But so they use the
[9:22] SW. It's our emergency, Aaron, but it's social workers. They are trained mental health
[9:29] professionals who work right inside the Emergency Communications center side by
[9:31] side with our staff. After a public safety telecommunicator completes the initial triage
[9:39] and that is social workers conduct a secondary triaged to understand the caller's needs
[9:42] more deeply. From there. They may provide support directly over the phone. Or if the
[9:49] situation escalated during the conversation. They may return the call to adjust traditional
[9:52] response. Or maybe for the call to mental health crisis team for a response. This
[9:59] measure shows the percentage of calls eat and that its social workers were able to
[10:03] resolve over the phone which they received 3,833 calls in 2025. 64% of those calls were
[10:12] results by phone. Prior to the embedded social workers being implemented in the ECC, those
[10:19] calls would have likely resulted in a traditional response. But it's embedded
[10:25] social workers work with colors to develop plans that address complex needs.
[10:29] Including for residents who rely on 9-1-1, frequently because they don't have other
[10:32] support systems in place. They also connect people with basic need resources and community
[10:38] referrals. What makes Israel so powerful is the time and space and that is social
[10:43] workers can offer. Their work is intentionally designed for extended focused engagement.
[10:49] Something that difference from the primary function of our public safety
[10:53] telecommunicator. job is to quickly roll calls for a response. And that is social
[10:58] workers can stay on the line longer. Listen more deeply and help callers navigate
[11:03] situations that don't always require police fire or EMS response. This is a one Ramsey
[11:08] County approach in action, social services staff processing the 9 on your
[11:13] processing and taking calls in the 9, 1, center and not from another building. The impact
[11:22] is real. I want to share resident comment that was posted publicly on the Como
[11:25] Park Facebook page by community member named Mary. I know people are free to call
[11:33] 9-1-1 when there's a mental health crisis for fear that police will escalate the
[11:36] situation. I want to share a recent experience. So what I know had to call Ramsey County
[11:42] 9-1-1, about someone in crisis. Their call was immediately routed to what I
[11:47] believe was a mental health specialist. The woman on the other and spent a good 15
[11:53] minutes asking questions to make sure she had all the information she needed to
[11:57] dispatch first responders. So the situation was managed appropriately. Her tone was
[12:01] warm, kind and supportive. I overheard much of the call and I wish I could personally
[12:06] thank the woman. She reassured the collar that nothing bad would happen and that if the
[12:11] person or if you support. Responders would come back as many times as needed. The
[12:17] situation was resolved professionally and without violence. I share this because
[12:22] I want people to be aware of the resources we have in our county when calling 9, 1, for
[12:26] mental health crisis. I was impressed from start to finish with how the situation was
[12:30] handled. This is what share committee power feels like when a resident know is that
[12:37] they can call 9-1-1 and receive support. That is compassionate. And
[12:40] appropriate. For anyone who wants to explore the full scope of this work. They can
[12:48] visit the county's appropriate response initiative dashboard. By expanding community center
[12:55] programs. Deepening resident engagement and increasing culturally responsive
[13:01] advocacy, pathways. We will strengthen equitable access to emergency and crisis response
[13:05] services. W will focus on technology to support staff by programming. operation Lexi
[13:11] Neck of the non emergency call handling automation. We intend to bring more technology tools
[13:17] into our tool box in 2027 with a quality assurance feedback in training tool for our
[13:21] staff. We'll continue to support staff wellness and strengthen our culture from
[13:27] what we learned from our empower you check in. We will build a more coordinated
[13:32] crisis care model that improves resident outcomes and reduces unnecessary public
[13:35] safety response. In closing, the ECC is evolving from Emergency Communications
[13:43] Center into a more integrated access point for emergency behavior. Health, social
[13:47] services and community-based response. Thank you, Madam. Thank you. Madam Chair and
[13:53] commissioners for their time to incomes and your continued support. I stand for any
[13:55] questions. it still? thank you, Madam Chair. Just just a quick question about the ECC
[14:06] and social worker calls and then R I. >> I thought they're both the
[14:14] same as unlike our de Vries type of response is warranted. >> Yes, thank you. Madam Cair
[14:21] Commissioner Rise. The initiative itself and then embedded social worker is one
[14:26] of the prongs of the program. I would say okay, great. >> So question going backwards
[14:33] is for the social worker calls. May you provide the hard numbers where a social
[14:38] worker responded? And then if it's available online, please point me there to, of course.
[14:45] And can I just confirm? Thank you, Madam Chair, Commissioner John, can I just confirm are
[14:48] you talking about the >> 4th measure that was specific about the 3 separate
[14:54] teams that I identified him. But it's social worker, the public health responder and
[14:57] the crisis >> 27. So this is just just looking at the percentage of
[15:05] UCC embedded social worker calls resolved by phone. Thank I do believe I have that
[15:10] information. >> So the embedded social worker in 2025 received 3,833
[15:24] calls. then 64% or 2,445 holes resolved by phone. Okay, great.
[15:37] >> And then for the percentage person in crisis, Paul supported by a R I What is the
[15:50] type of response? then you talk a little bit more about that response how it's
[15:52] different from the social worker is adult like a mental health worker.
[15:59] >> That responds. Madam Chair commissioners on so when it comes to that response side of
[16:04] things, again, it's that the different branches. So the embedded social workers is
[16:07] part of the branch. We highlight that in a separate measure because that is
[16:11] handled by phone and we're not sending responders or saving that resource from going out.
[16:16] we also highlight the other part of the response because there are other programs
[16:22] within right platform that send response to a scene. >> so then is this measuring
[16:31] dispatch essentially of like folks going out on the scene? >> thank you. Madam Chair
[16:39] Commissioner John. I that I'm going to have to circle back with you on that one. I don't
[16:41] want to give in bit inappropriate information on that would so we
[16:47] >> We can come back with some. We can send you clear data. >> On the response and whether
[16:52] it be by phone or the actual. Onsite response. Okay. And then also similarly to may you
[17:00] provide the hard numbers on the response. >> Madam Chair Commissioner
[17:06] shot. We depth December I had talked yesterday about doing righ it kind of workshop,
[17:12] probably before the end of the year for you. Maybe as we get into November something. So
[17:16] maybe that might be a better time to put it all into contacts as we kind why I want
[17:23] do it bfore the end of the year is as we move into operational icing in 27 to
[17:26] sort of reset. the whole program for you all as a kind of becomes fully it, something
[17:33] that the county's operational icing. So that works as well. Make sure you get some data.
[17:38] But that's the overall plan. >> Yeah. I really appreciate just the amount of work in the
[17:45] cross collaboration across the different departments to get this operational AISD and you
[17:51] see the support from the board and the funding of this. And it is reflective of of how are
[18:01] you see CSB news, right? It's being used for and, you know, those type of emergencies
[18:07] critical, even for like medical needs to fight that that folks are waiting until
[18:14] it's an emergency to like actually call one. So it adds pressure on to our system
[18:19] across the system here. And, you know, I just also really want to highlight the domestic
[18:26] violence resource tax, Lincoln referrals and really appreciate that because, you
[18:30] know, just some of the experience that community members you know, following
[18:33] domestic violence when police are called is, you know, they're often left to you
[18:40] know, still trying figure out what to do or not getting a support after officers
[18:46] respond. And so that's what I've heard from community. So I just really te follow-up
[18:53] there for services. May you also speak a little bit more about the technology or the
[19:00] use of AI in response to the non-emergency calls and how we categorize or help that gets
[19:08] filtered for non-emergency emergency Thank you, Madam Chair commissioners on.
[19:12] >> We're still in its infancy. So there are going to be some things that I might not get
[19:14] correct 100%, but I want to make sure I mention Anoka County in Dakota County also
[19:22] have this technology in place today. >> They actually believe they
[19:27] use it for all of their non-emergency calls. >> We're going into a little
[19:31] different direction, which is when all of our telecommunicators are public
[19:36] safety. Telecommunicators are on a call. >> And there are no more left.
[19:39] That's when we're having this agent pickup so that the calls don't believe stay in a ring,
[19:44] mold get put on hold for extended periods of time. And so the when the call comes in,
[19:52] it's it is a conversational AI which is interesting and something that's really kind
[19:55] new for me. >> But when they say certain things like I need a police
[20:02] report, you know, then we'll say, like what city is it And then if it's like Saint Paul
[20:07] and it'll get transferred to Saint Paul administrative line. So there are certain
[20:11] we're building it right now. And that is taking some time. But we're hoping to do some
[20:18] beta testing here relatively soon. We're working with our communications department to
[20:22] make sure we do a splash. So are not what you know, notifying so that we are
[20:29] notifying community before we get it gets put in help answer your question. Yeah. And then
[20:33] it's tell me understand a little bit more when we have goals around answering the
[20:38] calls within like 5 seconds are within 15 seconds. There. >> Like how often or how
[20:44] prevalent is that these non-emergency calls to kind of wait the Well, like, I long as
[20:51] the wait you, Madam Chair commissioners on I don't have the number with m today.
[20:55] >> I don't know for sure that we would be able to extract it from our call handling system.
[21:00] I would need to double check into that get back to you. It happens. I mean, I'm not that,
[21:04] you know, a lot of times what happens as we pick up the person we're talking to
[21:09] replace on hold and we pick up the next and say is this an emergency? And if it's not
[21:13] feasible, rght. And then as we cycle through them, they get picked up. But there are
[21:18] times where people are on hold. Okay. >> then my my last question
[21:23] around this is we answer all non-emergency calls throughout the entire county do they get
[21:35] routed to like the like the city, for example, fits a specific question that about
[21:40] like Dsi Animal Control get a mentor. Commissioners on a great question. We do answer
[21:46] calls throughout the whole county public works. Animal control any type of.
[21:51] >> Especially after hours, if it's during business hours, more people are using their
[21:55] resources online to call the city that they are. You know, we have a question about.
[21:59] >> But we are seeing more calls in the after hours because the city isn't open,
[22:04] right? And we are told. And so we were able to direct them. We have a city page for every
[22:09] city that talks you know, control all the things that people might call. There's
[22:13] about their city. Fireworks is another one when this garbage pickup like those types of
[22:20] questions. Okay. All right. >> That's just really helpful because it just seems like,
[22:24] you cities have kind of change or like provided different messaging right about calls
[22:31] before the city of Saint Paul. long time ago. like if it's not emergency, call this
[22:36] number and then it would go to like the dsi or 2 of their staff. But now it's really
[22:41] like anything. Call 9-1-1. It right. And so that's where you see increases in numbers and
[22:46] how that partnership or the utilization of our ECC has changed over time. And so I
[22:52] want make sure tat we're reflecting that You know, our joint Joint Powers Agreement
[22:58] thank you. Thank you. >> Museum of Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm gonna follow up.
[23:06] And some of these questions that I had I. That's similar to what Commissioner John did.
[23:13] So just on this last one. Do we have a second? Do we have a non-emergency number? we don't
[23:19] encourage everyone to just call 9-1-1, Dooley. We have what we do have a
[23:23] non-emergency county number is it are. it just gentle number? Alright, I'm just curious
[23:29] about that. I guess I don't know. I don't think I guess I'm lucky have to call the
[23:34] county mission there is a non-emergency number. There's actually several of them. And
[23:38] that stems from a 20 year consolidation that happened all of, for instance, had.
[23:44] >> 6 by one to 9, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, of the sheriff's office had 6, 5, 1, I'm not remember the
[23:50] number right but all of those numbers are still in place. They are published Google. If
[23:55] you're looking up, you Ramsey County, 9-1-1, you'll get those non-emergency numbers to
[24:00] call. Okay. So right there. I mean, everyone has 9-1-1, in their mind. But I you know, I
[24:06] >> you know, trained holding an emergency. And then there's another number. Do don't know
[24:10] what that is? So there's different numbers that people find online. What's the what's
[24:15] the best 9? What's the best? Non-emergency number to call if you have a if you think you
[24:19] have something. Just cure, it may be in Canada the 6, 5, one 7, 6, 7,
[24:32] >> 0, 6, 4, 0, Thank you. I also don't call it very Commissioner have different
[24:42] internal numbers in a which is And >> obviously, if there's a
[24:47] question, Coleman, what I mean, might be an emergency should call 9-1-1. But it's
[24:50] good to know that number. >> And answer for one moment. Yeah. Wait to read it. Someone
[24:57] call 9-1-1, and a direct them to another number or transfer them.
[25:00] >> To a 9 Rosie. >> Madam Chair know because we are the same people. So the
[25:07] words and people answer that. I want calls that answer the non-emergency call. So, you
[25:11] know, it is if you don't know the number and you needs a response. Call 9-1-1. If you
[25:15] can take the time to call or look up on Google and get that telephone number than we would
[25:20] ask that you call the non-emergency line right way. only so mny 9, 1, lines and
[25:25] they will transfer to our non-emergency lines. Went all the 9, One lines are from our
[25:28] full right Seoul. Again, I would say it's an emergency call 9-1-1. If you don't know
[25:35] the number and you need a response, any type of response call 91-1. But otherwise
[25:40] there is that non emergency number and the same people answer it. think maybe I thank
[25:45] you for that. That's good to know. I wanted to set up my comments by, of course,
[25:49] thanking you for being this amazing. >> Emergency communications
[25:52] center because as we know back in March, I was on. on my way to a meeting there. We giving
[25:59] a tour of our call center to our Ramsey County, local governments. And I tripped and
[26:04] fell and you took such good care of me with my broken kneecap. And I just want to
[26:09] thank you again publicly for making me feel so cared for in that meeting that didn't
[26:16] begin. But my erupted in a swelling and we had to go to the urgent care. But thank you
[26:22] for taking care of me it was great. And the Ramsey local governments really appreciated
[26:29] the tour that they that they received and all the great information that they got that
[26:34] day. So thank you for all All this great work that you're doing. It's it's I'm glad to
[26:38] hear. We're going to have a workshop. Madam chair, about all the amazing things that
[26:42] you're doing because it's it brings up a lot of I just want to let more information on it.
[26:48] All. I would love to know. And you can you can funnel any of this to the workshop that you
[26:53] want. But, you know, as you're getting calls, I would love to have a sense o what are the
[26:57] kinds of calls that you are getting and I think doing a great job of anticipating, you
[27:04] know, what kind of needs our residents have. But that would be curious to know, you know,
[27:08] is there uptake in and in opioid calls, violence call, you know what domestic
[27:16] violence, what where do we need to start doing that? Early intervention in the
[27:20] prevention work and I I know you have I love to hear that. You hve a community group
[27:28] that's that talking to and how we can that student don't do this work. But I'd love to
[27:33] know the type of calls that we're getting. And then, where's the feed that look to
[27:39] the county like, oh, wow, we're getting a lot of these calls. You know, what could
[27:43] you let old you do? which people do talk to aout that. >> Madam Chair, Commissioner
[27:52] glare, don't house. That's on me today any type of call that you could imagine we take. I
[27:55] do mean that in every sense of the word. I as far as like uptick, sinkholes and things
[28:00] like that. I don't I can't say that. We look at trends. We look at numbers and we look at
[28:05] time of day and we look at season's to talk about staffing numbers and ensure
[28:08] that have enough staffing on the floor. So to specifically talk about activity, types
[28:14] tough, call types. I don't know that we really trend them that way. I do Keep in mind
[28:19] all of our calls from cd system filtering to records management systems and to
[28:25] every department in Ramsey County Police Department. And I know a lot of them are
[28:29] looking statistically at their, you know, they do their own It's statistical analysis
[28:33] within call types within their community. And maybe that's a different way that we need to
[28:38] tap into We have to explore that a little bit more well, and I think Debbie, good for
[28:43] workshop conversation just to see is, you know, am curious about the feedback loop.
[28:48] >> You we pay attention to any of those trends that we might want to be aware of. Self.
[28:52] Thank you and mean guts. It's great that getting, you know, some of this information and
[28:59] feeding it to those departments I think could be really interesting for us to
[29:03] to hear about that, too. So thank you for that. And and I love that you're getting out
[29:10] into community and tabling and things like that. And so this is another kind of a question
[29:13] all of us is, you know, as were tabling and I'd love to see our departments out in my
[29:19] community and and to the extent that we can, you know, have a table together, you
[29:23] know, and I know sometimes you just want your topic to be talked about in. mentioned
[29:27] before, how much I love to see our county out there. But and then I saw 3 tables at a very
[29:34] small community event. I thought maybe we could have joined in on together on that
[29:40] tabling because it's a staff. I mean, it's a time requirement and things. So I
[29:48] just want to put that out there maybe want to think about that. And that's a lot
[29:51] of coordination. I know. So we'll that if that makes makes it, if that's worth it.
[30:00] the other thing, the question I have just going to talk about it in the workshop. But
[30:07] what are the 3, 1, of the 3 areas when when they go to the pulpit and appropriate
[30:13] response initiative? Is it embedded social worker, public health respond or and the
[30:21] crisis responder. That is correct. Okay. And Well, maybe you can give me a little
[30:28] example of the difference between those 3 because I do think of them pretty similarly
[30:34] and maybe we can talk about that at the workshop. You can do can decide. That's those
[30:37] are questions that I have. I had mental health professional, probably lot of
[30:42] these are mental health professionals. So and category. I commissioner
[30:47] player for cutting you off. >> No, yeah. I think you know, you're it is interesting we
[30:53] think in a lot of people we are talking with this super confused. the thing that a
[30:58] single is, yes, there is a perfect there's a mental health professional lens, but
[31:03] there's also a person well-being lands to all of this work right? really about
[31:08] meeting people where they're at its not about skilled in many different players, right.
[31:15] And so it kind of depends on the circumstance in the situation on what resource we
[31:18] would use. Again, we do leaning towards if we can handle something by phone and
[31:25] the person gets the resource that they're looking for without sending a response,
[31:29] we're saving time. It may not be actual county dollars, but it's county. It's it's dollars
[31:34] that are being spent on response gas. The vehicle, the person in the vehicle, the 2
[31:38] people in the vehicle rate still, can't give like what's that dollar look like. But I
[31:44] can say that I know that we are saving resources that way. >> But I think, you know,
[31:49] thinking of the 3 different lenses, the public health responders really more on that
[31:55] are the lens of point. Opioid lens. The crisis, mental health of the Ramsey County
[32:04] crisis Team. I'm sorry there. I don't work directly with them. So I don't have a great
[32:07] lines on that. But I know that they go out on scenes. They also do intake country eyes
[32:12] with multiple in takes process is 9-1-1. Is just one of those processes are one of intake
[32:21] process. >> let me just say that I this is great questions. And, you
[32:25] know, this is highly important service provide. at time. We have 3 more commissioners
[32:31] would like to get license. And so and next. Presenters are also here. So what we're going
[32:40] go on. We're going into our night. I stand in a bit longer was complete so much back in
[32:48] to get sense okay. But yeah, okay. That's fine. But we can yet just.
[32:57] >> I just have So when the person takes a call, they're deciding which of these 3
[33:00] they're gonna feel that too. All right. that sort of on the spot decision.
[33:08] >> Madam Mister McGuire. Yes, and no, sometimes I would say they're being filtered to the
[33:15] embedded social worker who will spend more time with them to determine.
[33:18] >> What level response may be needed. Okay. Thanks. Thank you so much. Thank you. Madam
[33:25] Chair. And I could go beyond do clock have thank. Thank you, Commissioner McMurtry.
[33:32] >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Director. for the presentation at couple
[33:37] comments and questions to forces want to thank you for walking through the community,
[33:42] engagement and outreach pisos. It's great to hear that you all being so strategic and
[33:47] intentional with your approach to make sure that you're giving to the white folks with
[33:52] with all the community engagement. I do have a question on for the domestic
[33:57] violence resource takes a link. Is that something that is only provided to folks who
[34:06] have engaged and like law enforcement cming to a particle incident or is that
[34:09] something that all residents have access to enough? So what does that engagement look
[34:16] like? How we letting folks know of this resource. >> Thank you, Madam Chair,
[34:22] Commissioner McMurtry. That's a great question. And I think that's going to be also part
[34:26] of phase 2. And I hope phase 3 at some point of this initiative, anyone could call
[34:32] the non-emergency number or the 9, 1, line to get that resource. But we do have to
[34:36] find other ways into our community to say this is available and it's a safe link
[34:41] that you can go to. And there is a, you know, if you don't haven't had an opportunity to
[34:47] go website itself, I would highly recommend there are a lot of resources there for
[34:53] folks with multiple different needs or requirements and so at this point, I would say we
[34:59] are working with our community. I'm sorry. Are. I'm sorry, Mark. Well, the
[35:11] advocacy groups as well as our internal communications folks. Sorry. And where are we are
[35:16] working on a card that we would bring into community that would have that link for
[35:22] that QR code. Also with that, >> kind in its infancy. But we're really we're seen it
[35:29] take safe and we're seeing the results. And that's really where, you know, the drive is
[35:33] to continue down this path. It's brand new for us, folks, right? We're like the people
[35:38] that take the call. And that's it. We're faceless war, you know, and I think several
[35:42] years ago I came to this this body and said we need to start showing our face. We need to
[35:48] start being liked. Here's where we are in. We care. We live in community and and I
[35:52] think that's just one of the things that like brings that forward for That's right.
[35:59] >> And ten my last question is, is also about appropriate response initiative with your
[36:06] goals of hitting a certain percentage call supported by R I and I know I've asked this
[36:13] question a few times may be something that we will get update on the workshop. Where
[36:18] are we with the incorporation of the think Paul. >> Into if they are, I know
[36:25] that there's been some conversations around that. I wonder with that incorporation
[36:29] of the city of that would Positively impact your goals here in the percentage of of
[36:35] calls are open to it. Just wanted to know where we are with with that that
[36:43] partnership getting them brought in. >> Commission to commissioner,
[36:48] I can take this one. We can definitely address it with the workshop. We're going to have
[36:53] this. Alright, 2 point O as we enter into it, the new budget year of 2027 be operational I
[36:59] think it's the distinction between these different branches.
[37:02] >> All the calls that that part of the ride, all the calls that come in to 9-1-1.
[37:07] Saint Paul calls it like anybody else. They're getting the embedded social worker
[37:10] that make sense you're talking about and I believe they get deployed. The crisis helped to
[37:16] write. So the one piece that you're talking about is the public health responder, which
[37:20] we are now pivoting as well. So part of the reset is we have to attach the public
[37:26] health responder from the actual dispatch center and that conversation is going to
[37:32] get kind of a rebirth as we talk about this new community Wellness and response
[37:34] initiative is we've now done this work with on with the encampment on the Green Line.
[37:40] Public health needs to not necessarily b a response to public health needs to kind be
[37:44] part of this mobile service center model that we're going to trying to build out. So
[37:49] look forward to more. But I think this idea that we have to be delivering public health
[37:53] responders to dispatch by city is not is not a name that's part of the initiative
[38:00] anymore. We've evolved from that. That makes sense. Thank you. I would just add that
[38:04] yesterday we had a great meeting with the city and all the leadership there command
[38:08] staff within the police department and then also the mayor's office.
[38:11] >> Staff and we we did a presentation on our crisis response and answer their
[38:20] questions. >> And really, we're trying to find ways how do we engage and
[38:25] inform. >> Through, like roll calls for you to frontline patrol
[38:29] officers who are taking those calls at 3, 4 o'clock in the morning.
[38:32] >> And, you know, they we want to continue these conversations and get feedback
[38:41] and to ensure that we are responding to their needs and how they work and and so I
[38:44] think that we and last year we just did a tabletop exercise with the city of Saint Paul.
[38:50] So that really is moving along. And so it it is about education and engagement in
[38:58] this area because it is quite confusing. If you don't know the different levels of a
[39:02] response within the 9-1-1 system. So we're getting there. Commissioner Miller,
[39:09] I'm going very quick and you can definitely notice bring it back to the workshop.
[39:15] >> Are we measuring the traditional emergency response capacity that AR I is for Ina.
[39:21] Is there a percentage that we can say? I mean, you can bring that up and go back to
[39:26] November. And then my other question. But you can bring back to workshop as well. I
[39:30] want to be respectful of time. Is all of the 62% of calls that were supported at a a R I
[39:39] do. We know how many were resolved through there and that did not need response to
[39:45] that from police fire, EMS that was just resolve their and maybe that's the number
[39:50] you gave commissioners on earlier with ECC embedded social workers. But if you
[39:54] just have any information that that be great for the future. Thank Thank you. a difference
[40:02] >> Yes. So I'm gonna have a very nuts and bolts question from one of my residents in
[40:07] the northern border near no-go, which because we all have cell phone to not
[40:12] necessary. Landline, if somebody calls 9, one how it how do you know to paying
[40:17] Ramsey County versus another county or another call center? If they're close?
[40:22] >> Thank you. Madam Chair, Commissioner That's a great question. And I think it
[40:26] really technical on a bold choice, a really high level when a cell when you call 9,
[40:31] 1, from your cell tower from your cell phone, it hits the tower. That tower is selected
[40:36] to goal into one of the 2 centers. It may be a 3rd center which is state Patrol.
[40:41] If it's located on highway. In the end, it's painting on a highway center line. Then it
[40:45] will go to state Patrol. There is a variation. We do transfer quite a bit.
[40:51] >> Between multiple all of our bordering counties. >> But for the most part, has
[40:55] our technology gets better as we get into next time. 9-1-1, and I capability, which is
[41:02] really going to be focused more on that. >> Sending the call to the
[41:05] right place the first time that should better. >> I love that. Okay. And then
[41:11] just to add on to wear a >> call sheet for the air. I accept coming up. I mean, one
[41:16] of the things that I would love to be able to see is that when an alternative response
[41:21] does need to be Do we know what our current capacity to send the right team to the
[41:27] right situation and that could be mental health crisis. It could be public health. Could
[41:29] be whatever side I'd love to have that be part of the dock it and then the other piece
[41:34] with the the being able to leverage this investment now that we have embedded within
[41:41] our budget and structure, the idea of how are we allies saying that 24 7, 3.65
[41:46] overnight, support or other service lines that need that kind of a a level of calling
[41:53] is is there is there a way for us to leverage that rather than having pockets of people
[41:59] on cll? >> Throughout department of its public health or social
[42:02] worker, mental health crisis or something like that. Is there a way that we can cross
[42:04] trainer Cross support? The other thing would be just as we're talking about the
[42:10] toxicology from the medical examiner being able to give us ideas as to what emergence
[42:16] absences are causing harm in our community. The idea of some of right calls could be
[42:20] trending. What are some issues that are bubbling up? That could be informative to our
[42:25] public health or mental health or are, you know, other support programs. And so just
[42:32] making sure that since this something we've invested and how are we making sure use
[42:34] utilize it as best we can. I just want to reiterate my appreciation fr the car for
[42:41] Maybe the stats are not today, but I know that many women are the most vulnerable to
[42:45] violence in their own homes. They play like one in 3 women experienced domestic violence.
[42:49] No like plan for for men. It's a huge childhood aces issue. It's a cause of homelessness,
[42:56] injury and death. And s the idea of IP she ate taking that time to be a positive
[43:00] intervention and perhaps to send somebody resources upstream that could help their
[43:07] situation help to any other children situation. Keep people from having these
[43:12] greater harm has come to them. So really do appreciate I know you started this with this,
[43:16] but I just want to highlight Ramsey County's largest 9-1-1, center in Minnesota. We are
[43:23] one of 87 Minnesota counties, but you feel about 12% of 9-1-1. Calls and how we do
[43:27] that work is just as important as as to the what we do. And so you've talked about, you
[43:33] know, your performance measures today. Talk about efficiency effectiveness
[43:39] entering community voice, compassion strategies for providing those broader
[43:41] resources, more upstream. So I just want to say not only do we recognize that, but I
[43:46] forgot my prop the National Association of counties organization recently
[43:52] highlighted the work that you're doing. Nash nationwide as a as a model for other
[43:56] folks to follow. So so thank you for this work thank you for I so I just want to end by
[44:02] saying thank you for your work your leadership. >> I'm in the forward to the
[44:08] workshop. Appropriate response is really important. Ally that came out like in Twenty-twenty
[44:13] we began tracking right because we know mental health is at its highest level ever
[44:19] and sometime law enforcement is not the appropriate response. And so in my world,
[44:25] I just know I call 9-1-1 needed. I someone's going to be there. So I appreciate the
[44:31] number of the Senate. You are responding within that first 15 0nd mark of an emergency
[44:36] asking someone call it is an emergency. And so just want to thank you for that work in the
[44:43] fort to the gunshot. They have right. Appreciate your work. Thank you.
[44:48] ? All right. So we're keep moving forward. We have our
[44:55] next presenter. Is the man to county Sheriff's office and >> Arlington County Sheriff
[44:59] Bob Fletcher. god morning. >> I do want to say how lucky we are to have an amazing
[45:07] communication center. Nancy, thank you for everything you it without them. We're we're
[45:14] last of their very appreciative and we have a great relationship. With their
[45:20] in a minute. I'm going to call up under Sheriff Tom Hughes did to go over the formal.
[45:25] >> Power point performance measures. But I do want to say that. Everybody has different
[45:30] measure of success. And we we try to fit with the county boards. View of what that of
[45:37] those measures should be. my mind, we have really 3 simple measures. How are we taking
[45:44] care of the citizens of Rmsey County? are we meeting their needs keeping them safe. Be
[45:54] glad to tell you that the last 3 years serious crime in Ramsey County has dropped 40%.
[46:00] probably heard auto thefts of actually drop 70%. That's one measure I think of whether or
[46:07] not we're doing our job to help take care of the citizens. The second measure
[46:12] is how are we doing in taking care of the people that were in custody of? The people that
[46:16] we care for? The people that really are clients in our detention facility. And on
[46:25] that measure, I think we're doing a good job. We've obviously had ups and downs
[46:29] over the past 4years. But I want to thank you for your recognition. Ad Gloria, as
[46:36] well that some additional staffing will help us take care of the people that we.
[46:42] Need to take care of. And that's a big plus. And we think Lori and the whole
[46:48] county board for, you know, conducting a staffing study and for recognizing it
[46:54] actually this year and are CEOs are in the final week of training this week. Bill, do
[46:59] some there's some training in the jail as well. But it will make a difference. And
[47:05] ensuring that are able to take good care of the people that are in our custody and have,
[47:10] you know, really, of. That, everybody in there? Well, let me just say some people have
[47:18] experienced their worst day that brought them into our custody. But that may not be a
[47:23] reflection several of their other days. So we do have a the good human moral
[47:28] obligation to take god care and your help is going to help us. The 3rd thing after taking
[47:33] care of the citizens and the people in our custody, of course, is taking care of our
[47:36] employees. I do want to say You have been very supportive of our employees and there
[47:44] have been some celery adjustments that reflect that there have been support of
[47:48] wellness programs. And I know that might not be the case all the time. The future, maybe a
[47:56] little tighter than what you've done. But thank you. Our employees are. They're
[48:01] positive because of the support of this county board. It hasn't always been that
[48:07] way. So with that introduction, I'm going introduce county said Go
[48:11] through the power point and details. I will be here for questions, of course, at the
[48:16] end, I do have to say that I have a 12, 15 appointment in this building that I'm going
[48:21] to try to make if that's possible >> Good morning. Madam Chair,
[48:36] Commissioners, County manager as the sheriff said, I will speak will briefly to our
[48:40] performance measures that align with the company's strategic priorities and do my
[48:45] best to get you back on track for times. know, there is a 12 noon break. I'll talk a little
[48:50] bit about our office to brief overview, 3 performance measures, all those
[48:56] performance measures are expected to trend the next couple years. Our efforts to
[48:59] improve and support operational or organizational excellence. Some general
[49:04] updates both the questions from you all. So we are there into 20 sheriff's office. The
[49:10] state's first law enforcement agency established before Minnesota was actually a
[49:15] state. I think everyone knows what we do in terms of providing law enforcement
[49:20] public safety services accordance with constitutional statutory mandate. It's a
[49:26] sheriff touchdown. We serve Ramsey County from detention. The court security, the court
[49:33] services. >> We're gonna talk a little bit about explosions that are
[49:35] working the court services area, but also apprehension patrol investigations,
[49:39] transportation visitors. Work on regional response efforts across the county. also a
[49:47] great degree of crime Prevention Ridge, a lot of which is actually grant
[49:50] funded. >> We remain that commitment to leadership and public
[49:55] safety. If your professionalism partnerships and community.
[49:59] >> And this is just a grant to the 3 performance measures. >> That will speak about
[50:04] today. Number of expunge rates. really a protection orders in the adult detention
[50:09] center, daily population. So as the sheriff touched how well are we serving? Ramsey
[50:15] County residents and how Larry caring for those in custody? We'll unpack Looking at the
[50:20] delivery of call responsible or century mandated services degree of providing
[50:29] transparency, objective data timeliness that come on through the staffing study
[50:32] that we've from to the jail of course, in areas of well-being prosperity. Appreciate
[50:38] accountability. We're all familiar with. Performance measure. Number one. Looks at
[50:45] the nmber of expungement processed. So the county attorney's office also has
[50:50] this is a performance measure. The rview explains they make their way to the court, a
[50:56] court will decide it expunge meant is granted. If that is the case, it comes us for
[51:01] processing. So for the folks watching at home expunge months, remove. Seal certain
[51:09] criminal offenses, criminal records which that allow residents individuals to move
[51:15] forward with place in general, reducing barriers housing, education, employment, other
[51:21] opportunities. There's been a lot of wrk the state level. The county level. We'll my
[51:24] record dot org in that space to help folks move on from. You know, a decision or 2 that
[51:31] probably wasn't the best but should hang over their head. For 4 months. Measure number 2
[51:42] look said it to me protection orders and how quickly we serve them. So these protests
[51:47] and unrest restraining orders or his for protection, domestic abuse, no-contact
[51:51] orders. So if someone is a victim of any of those types of crimes, trestman stocking
[51:57] domestic abuse, they can appeal to district court. judge can issue an order. It
[52:01] makes it our way for processing and serving. We're definitely will come and say
[52:05] you are served that is a legal mechanism of protecting a victim of a crime.
[52:12] >> behavior that diversity affect them. So we don't determine when they're issued,
[52:18] but we are responsible under statute for processing and serving that. Twofold
[52:23] approach. There is support staff will enter process that get all the information
[52:26] available. Package it up goes to a deputy who then delivers it. So timely service. A
[52:34] protection order definitely a critical public safety function, but also it helps
[52:37] ensure victims receive legal protections ordered by the court. Average daily
[52:46] population for the adult detention center. This measure reflects the justice system's
[52:54] overall efficiency Soho. Quickly here, folks moving through the criminal justice
[52:57] system. >> Following so a lot of factors. You influence that
[53:02] around trying trends. What the court is seeing ruled 2 proceedings, which we've
[53:06] talked about before number a probation violations or what not so. The ABC doesn't
[53:12] control who comes to was arrested, but we are managing that population. To make sure
[53:21] that everyone has a chance to have their legal rights court. And so. In terms of bookings
[53:27] in terms of the jail population as a whole we saw 2025 in average daily
[53:33] population of 3.96 at the ATC. 35 Project Bridge, which is partnership with Hershey, CF,
[53:40] Chevron's familiar with by now. Looking ahead into future the plan is to get that number
[53:46] up a little bit to make sure we're providing better care and custody to those that are
[53:51] interested to us through this partnership. So far this year we've averaged 61 at Hershey
[53:58] CF. So tragic bridge started mid year in 2025. that number's been going up every
[54:04] year >> the physical plant differences between the ATC
[54:08] and the correctional facility are substantial in that our facility was designed to help
[54:13] folks for 5 to 7 days. Things we've all talked before. RCC Fs outdoor space, larger rec
[54:17] rooms. The hotel versus the motel type setting so that has been very beneficial in
[54:25] helping us leave a lot of cost pressures and >> struggles we've had with
[54:29] ATC. In terms of racial demographics. It still reflects a broader disparities
[54:36] that exist in the justice system. In terms of our bookings.
[54:41] >> Those points have remained pretty consistent over the years. part thanks to a county
[54:45] manager Becker's work with Katie Corrections. Alex played a role in that too. I think
[54:51] Project Bridges definitely been very beneficial. So thank you for that. Over the next
[54:56] few years. We expect to see the number of expensive in trees providing residents with
[55:03] greater opportunities for the second chances. We still remain steadfast in
[55:08] delivering. And read those protection orders. As quickly as possible pursuing 9 levy
[55:17] and grant funding. We've been very good in that space of practice. We hope to continue.
[55:23] So you're looking engagement, crime prevention and >> With the staffing so uses
[55:29] Sheriff briefly we should see over time CASA GOP Korea says we have a full tank staff
[55:35] brought online. We're also hoping that the number of residents that are part of
[55:40] Project Bridge, could increase that enhancing access to critical stabilization
[55:45] services going forward future years. the county manager's big on this one terms of
[55:51] operational excellence, but were part of that work too. First and foremost, partnering
[55:56] with the county board County manager, deputy county like implementing all the
[56:01] recommendations on the staffing study. We've done phase one. Phase 2 will be in
[56:04] the future. But again, looking at the worker and reducing overtime, including staff
[56:11] forecasting. And then I have a feeling and spending some time with the audit sheriff in the
[56:15] near future. So we're going to unpack that a little bit and see what data points and
[56:18] metrics are You know, again, I'll touch on this because pretty proud of this in terms
[56:26] of leveraging. >> You know, grant funding and other areas funding that that
[56:28] lesson of the men levy, but still allow us to be president community and fostering that
[56:33] Project Bridge partnership will be things I think will come out 28 between for that
[56:40] new budget process as well. For almost back on time. So with that do have some general
[56:50] updates about the adult detention center. in terms of our new hiring what that might
[56:57] look like. They don't know if you want questions. Now are some general updates. A
[57:06] commission member? >> To quick questions and for the number of so for the first
[57:10] side on Page, 34 what is that timeline? So this is the number of expungements
[57:17] process. And I know you're not in control of the timeline of when it's approved the courts.
[57:20] But what's timeline once gets to your your area? >> chair Commissioner Miller,
[57:28] I believe it's a 30 or 60 day timeline for expungement. There's a statutory deadline.
[57:34] We must change will process. would need to follow up with that, actually. And are we
[57:37] meeting those send those deadlines? Okay. >> And then my next question
[57:40] was similar to that on the next slide to is what's the average time line for for the
[57:46] for the serving unsuccessful serving of S P's or the day goes are you know, for those
[57:54] because if you can't find an individual right, I can get access serve them to keep that
[58:01] the victim safe. Great question. Madam Chair, Commissioner Miller. So this
[58:03] number, he reflects. >> Surge of orders which are successful. You are right.
[58:10] There are suspects at trying to evade us that don't want to be served. That will do
[58:14] whatever they can to avoid it. in terms of pursuing a never-ending felons and
[58:20] catching the bad guys. It's something really, really good at. So I.
[58:22] >> We want to stay above that. 93 Mark, it's great. >> Well, and then my last
[58:28] question goes the last site under Project Bridge. I appreciate our ccf in
[58:34] everything you guys are ding with the project Bridge Fix supporter of that initiative.
[58:40] >> with the goal of increasing more residents to the F. >> I'm just curious that who
[58:45] pays for that? know that a lot of that was incorporated in the RCC F's budget. So if
[58:51] we're going to be sending more. >> Is that incorporate? What
[58:57] does that extra costs incorporated? And is there more extra cost needed that
[58:59] the for them? >> yes, okay. Thank you. So as part of the biennial budget,
[59:09] we made an investment in project bridge doctor Long was he or she talked about? Using
[59:17] some of the corrections money. But that was in that Britt kind of literally in the
[59:21] bridge period for the project bridge, you know, COVID the end of 20. Before we set the
[59:26] new supplemental budget. We didn't really want to wait. We wanted to sort of alleviate
[59:29] some of the population pressure immediately. So she was able to find savings
[59:35] within her budget to sort of do I think it end up being like 6 months or so 6 or 7
[59:41] months and kind of manage through it with cost savings in 2026. 27. You made an
[59:46] investment in Project Bridge that now is in the base budget. So ongoing. The
[59:53] correctional facility can manage, you know, the 60 to 70 additional people as we would
[1:00:03] ever want to look at adding more to that. >> I think we have to have a
[1:00:08] strategic conversation because it starts to be a little bit about the physical space of
[1:00:12] the correctional facility to. >> So when just the the operational cost may be
[1:00:17] looking at some other So I want to really think thoughtfully about what that
[1:00:20] is. And we wanted to make sure on the other hand that the sheriff was also doing their
[1:00:25] part in sort closing the pod. And so I think we want to make sure we have a good sense of
[1:00:30] what's going on before we would talk about even further enhancements. If that makes
[1:00:34] sense future of the correctional facility. >> suspected just agenda. I
[1:00:42] miss that. I understand we invested more and staffing, but closing up, hide why? I
[1:00:50] mean, I guess why would we do that if we're having if we're having capacity issues around
[1:00:56] was at capacity there, why would we close up Hawaii? We keep that open.
[1:01:00] >> because they've had a reduction in the number of individual banks. And that's,
[1:01:03] you know, and I don't I certainly that doesn't mean an immediate reduction in staff
[1:01:07] per se, but they're able then to use hopefully less over time, reduce COVID You know,
[1:01:12] they're managing through all the things that Nancy talked about around paid leave
[1:01:16] breaks, you know, all the things so should reduce overtime pressure. Certainly
[1:01:20] it's another strategy for reducing or time pressure. In addition to the additional
[1:01:25] correctional officers. >> So then why we do that, though? What does that look
[1:01:27] like for the care and custody of our residents and our capacity is that this in which
[1:01:34] facility we end a DC so for closing a pod, is that having other pressures on other pots
[1:01:41] having them the fall and not where you guys like to staffing ratio to that.
[1:01:48] >> Madam Chair commissioner, I think it would. keep in mind like as of this morning, we
[1:01:52] have 49 and she CF. So if we had to manage you know population of what's in our C
[1:01:58] F plus what we currently have now. Plus a close part that would be too much and create
[1:02:04] those pressures you just spoke about. Okay. But since since we have people over here, it
[1:02:08] makes it much more manageable for So. >> is closed right now.
[1:02:15] >> managing, thank you so can also share too, you know, the working adult detention center
[1:02:22] on the safety and security are prevention, barriers that's ongoing. We hope to have all
[1:02:26] 10 housing units but those beers installed the end the year. So reduction risk
[1:02:32] mitigations say times all those things and improve the the custody setting. We have
[1:02:38] hope operation allies by the end of the year. >> Commissioner, Thank you,
[1:02:46] Madam Chair and I appreciate your. trying keep us on time and keep working on that. And
[1:02:52] I'm going to ask, you know, as we've been saying, so many of these areas, there are worth a
[1:02:57] lot of conversation. And so I'm I think we probably have a workshop plan, but I'd love to
[1:03:03] have a conversation not necessarily around budget, but just about how we're doing our
[1:03:07] work together. with the Sheriff Lee Lve having haven't you come into a
[1:03:10] workshop with us? Because as you said, Sheriff we actually have the same goals. You know,
[1:03:16] how are we taking care of our residents? How are we taking care the people that are in
[1:03:21] our care and how are we taking care of our employees? And I appreciate outlined that
[1:03:27] because we we have those singles and it's how we do it and how we, you know and how
[1:03:34] we measure that. So we can have some accountability to our residents. So I think
[1:03:38] we're all working for the same goals it just geat to have really further conversations
[1:03:44] about how we can do that together. And I hope that we can just work that into our
[1:03:48] schedule every year is just haven't really great. You policy conversation with you
[1:03:55] all. and to degree you mentioned about in your performance measures, your
[1:04:00] strategic outlook, 9 Levy and grant funding will continue to be pursued. And we really
[1:04:04] appreciate you are very good advocates and strong advocates for really good things. Thank
[1:04:09] you. Thank you for that. And I mean, we want to be partners with that. I mean, we want to
[1:04:14] you know, we're doing great work. You're doing great work. And we want to make sure we're
[1:04:18] all, you know, help You know, we're al complimenting the work that we're doing
[1:04:22] together. So so thank you. Thank you fr that. just want to sy, you know, I have one
[1:04:29] contract city. They really appreciate the work of the sheriff's Thank you for that.
[1:04:32] And just I just saw on TV last night about the of the debris from the state fair. And, you
[1:04:40] know, the largest 12 day gathering of people in the country. You might have
[1:04:46] getting that right and to have it without major incidents. It is really commendable. And I
[1:04:52] want to thank you. Thank you, Sheriff. Thanks for everything you did. You know in in in
[1:04:58] preparation for that. And I think residents really appreciated it, too. And if
[1:05:05] you want when when you if we have time and you come back up, they would rather have the
[1:05:09] sheriff say, you know what, what you said last night on TV about how people are
[1:05:14] approaching the sheriff thank for your work. So I think we were we were grateful. I was
[1:05:21] there a number of times and felt very safe. know there were some incidents, but I
[1:05:25] know that you took care of them and and we had a lot of other thanks to all the law
[1:05:29] enforcement from around the state who came. know, we have a lot of people that that take
[1:05:35] time to be there. And just thanks to everyone for making it really amazingly safe
[1:05:41] event. So appreciate So thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair, thank Commissioner Tennessee.
[1:05:53] yes. So of the questions that often comes up for many of us. But I'll say is as is in my
[1:05:56] district, there are a number of contracts, cities. >> Residents when I asked them
[1:06:00] what are their top 3 concerns that the county, the top 2 consistently remain the same,
[1:06:06] which is public safety and keep my property taxes And I often say will square that
[1:06:11] circle because these are expensive investments and important ones that we hear
[1:06:15] folks want us to make. So I guess the question I have is looking at the budget in 2025
[1:06:21] the Sheriff's office budget with 76 million in 2026. Is 86 million in 2027. Its
[1:06:26] proposed at 92 Million. approve those budgets and have been to those budget cycles.
[1:06:33] But can you just walk u through for for folks who are catching up through tose
[1:06:38] investments and what are some of the expected outcomes people want to know is again,
[1:06:42] they say keep my property taxes low keep us safe. So we've made these investments
[1:06:47] just a little narrative on that, right? Commissioner, Madam Chair, Commissioners,
[1:06:51] everything, thank you so >> that number, the 92 million reflects the overall budget
[1:06:56] and we look at the county tax levy. That numbers obviously less because their overall
[1:07:00] budget reflects. >> Grande's, it reflects contracts. It is. It reflects
[1:07:04] gun permits, total number. But in terms of our levee growth in terms of the 2027 proposed
[1:07:12] tax levy for us is 68.2 million. And so 3.1 million of that does reflect the recent
[1:07:19] investment in staff in the jail as a substantial sum. Following the county let
[1:07:24] staffing study and to as the sheriff touched on a lot of work or on class and calm and
[1:07:30] right sizing our salaries. So for a long time with the lowest paid the Metro, we had
[1:07:35] issues of retention recruitment. The board has since corrected that. And
[1:07:38] that's made a huge difference in terms of of staffing, reducing vacancies and
[1:07:44] whatnot. So majority of our cost, the budget overall in our tax levy really relates to
[1:07:51] staffing personnel. And then of regular growth. In terms of, you know, the body-worn
[1:07:55] camera program, technology costs always seem increase every year food service for
[1:08:00] the jail. cleaning services. When individuals in their custody. We have to close call
[1:08:06] them uniforms. A lot of operating costs within that >> and then as a follow-up to
[1:08:13] that, thank you. I just wanted to level set because I think it's important for folks to
[1:08:18] know that the dollars to start going up because they're going up because prices have been
[1:08:22] made right. then the second one I just wanted to say, as you alluded to the audit
[1:08:26] chair, that's at the moment. The idea of the ATC staffing sending the reaction to that.
[1:08:33] I think one of the things that that am hoping that will get will be very similar to what
[1:08:38] we ended up getting win, win our financial aid services. We invested in some FT East last
[1:08:42] year as part of bringing down the backlog. You know, we were getting kind quarterly updates
[1:08:48] on this is how many people now retired. This is how far they are in their training. Now
[1:08:53] they're on board now. This you know, and and as we got to this point in that that hiring
[1:08:58] implementation saying we anticipated that because of the revenue generation around
[1:09:03] that that eventually those that he's would pay for themselves and were still
[1:09:06] getting updates to make sure did that hold true. So that's the kind of the updates that
[1:09:11] I'm hoping which is very similar to what we ask of our own departments is to say
[1:09:14] we've made these investments. How did that improves program experience for staff and and
[1:09:21] the ppulation at the ATC and then how did that really impact or overall staffing
[1:09:27] costs overtime? So just for folks to know, that's that's kind of what we're looking
[1:09:30] for, which is the same kind of things we ask their own departments. Thank you,
[1:09:34] Commissioner, right? I did have some BBC Harry notes NA. >> And cases come up. But we
[1:09:38] do have 34 correctional officers in training now they will serve a one-year
[1:09:43] probationary period. 3 weeks classroom instruction is the sheriff touched on. They're
[1:09:47] getting ready to hit the streets or at the cells have sure what the equivalent as in
[1:09:51] the jail, but they're getting ready start the field training program or job shadowing a few
[1:09:55] weeks. We can report that the new higher in class 2, a 65% diverse 20% female. We worked
[1:10:04] with HR to get the get them hired is as quick as possible so we can hope to relay some
[1:10:09] of those over time. Savings mid to late October. >> Excellent. And then just a
[1:10:14] follow-up to that. Is that part of that staffing stuff? Study also was looking at the
[1:10:17] composition of how you address within the staff and how you organize yourselves a little
[1:10:25] bit as far as addressing complex needs and growing complex needs of a growing
[1:10:29] number of the folks in our care in custody. And so I encourage that be part of the
[1:10:33] narrative as well. I know that there is a a collaborative space between public health
[1:10:39] and managing a lot of the health and wellness that goes on within within detention
[1:10:45] center. So I'm happy to hear of the ongoing, you know. Partnership and productivity
[1:10:52] in and I think for the county manager to 3 notes and hear about the weather county
[1:10:57] approaching. >> Particular partnerships as it relates to the jail, you
[1:11:01] know, working with property management 2 large projects, flood control systems for the
[1:11:04] jail. So sometimes inmates with flood cells. It would flood work its way down. Water
[1:11:09] goes down. It gravity. Damaging stuff in public health. Space Weaver getting a
[1:11:16] flood control system implemented. We came with public health to the county
[1:11:19] board. then off cycle request for Capital improvement funding to improve. Medical
[1:11:28] space for the jail. So their workstations, their exam rooms, flooring. Equipment is
[1:11:32] all getting just part of partnership. Probably mansion been there public health
[1:11:38] social services, That department provides the mental health staff or the jail. And
[1:11:44] it's a huge support for us. A huge role. >> That's great. And and on
[1:11:50] that to just the idea I had the honor of representing on the Minnesota District Kerry
[1:11:55] treatment advisory committee and working with a number of my colleagues who have sat on
[1:11:59] like advisory committees and work study groups. And I'm happy to see that if part of
[1:12:03] those also meetings with some other folks from Association of minute. So some folks who
[1:12:10] work on the court side of things and just wondering, I I welcome the opportunity for
[1:12:16] for the different elected offices to talk about what are some broader legislative
[1:12:20] actions that we should be thinking about because our ability to make sure people
[1:12:26] are ATC population is down and just as important or more important to the individuals
[1:12:33] and their families that those people are getting the right care at the right time in the
[1:12:37] right place sooner then happening now. And so if there's anything that we can
[1:12:42] be doing to align our actions on that, I welcome that because, know, it's a shared
[1:12:46] goal. >> Thank you. You know, the state obviously plays a role
[1:12:50] that regard in terms of beds facing state facilities and whatnot. But I obviously want
[1:12:54] to make sure. You know, we're providing the best cure in custody during the pretrial
[1:13:01] post trial. If they go to the state to C C F but also for ruled 20's for folks with
[1:13:05] severe and persistent mental illness. You know that that rule 20 process can take quite
[1:13:10] a while and what is the best housing environment? excellent questions think would
[1:13:15] definitely welcome the opportunity to be part conversation. Thank you.
[1:13:20] >> Commissioners thank you. Madam first couple to the adult Detention Center. Jail
[1:13:24] average daily population. You know, I think a part of Measure you listed in the fine
[1:13:35] print down here about just who's in our jail and our custody the racial
[1:13:42] disparities. I think it's important for us to like just continue to like work on that.
[1:13:45] But then also we've done a lot of work, Ali, U.S. and I know it's different. But similar
[1:13:52] approach about, you know, how can we decrease and what can we do on our end to decrease
[1:13:57] the jail for example, at why JT I just heard that at juvenile detention center.
[1:14:05] We're now at one person that were holding. So it's big, tremendous effort through the
[1:14:10] rain, which is a risk assessment too. I know that, you know, probably under
[1:14:15] different rules for adults in the letter back in 2000 and >> the former board give us an
[1:14:20] award for that to say 2 million with when we implemented that 9, I think.
[1:14:27] >> Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I would definitely like you know, as we move forward to
[1:14:32] think more strategically about that. And I don't know the policy has changed from what I
[1:14:37] last toward, but we're going to se more on Howe's. People are going to see more people
[1:14:43] would just like how your need that we should be taking like tracking so I think it would
[1:14:50] be hopeful for us to just break down the daily population of who's under like
[1:14:54] a rule 20 proceeding or who's waiting for a court to just to like. a dive United before
[1:15:05] like that. >> Top 6 or 7 like awaiting trial awaiting transfer the
[1:15:09] state waiting ruled 20 holding. have that Tmplet all lined him. That would be a
[1:15:13] point in time measure but a measure we could produce. Okay. Yeah. That would be
[1:15:18] really helpful. >> And then my I just want to and thank sheriff lecture for
[1:15:25] closing the pot as you all had committed to working through the plan of adding more
[1:15:31] staffing and capacity to the jail and then my other question around some of the
[1:15:38] overall like, you know, organizational excellence is, you know, are there are
[1:15:44] services that are currently provided in person that could be moved to online. And is
[1:15:48] there a plan for that? >> chair commissioner, I that I cannot think of any at the
[1:15:54] top of my ahead. >> Just because we are so public facing, you know, with
[1:16:01] with no real options to work from home or remotely like we have implemented, like online
[1:16:06] scheduling for a gun permit. Some deficiencies there. But if you take a gun from an
[1:16:11] application, you have to verify it's the right person. That's the driver's license.
[1:16:15] Make photocopies. If you're taking Baylor by Jeff to receded, right? A lot of give
[1:16:18] you receipt. I really have to think it on a >> Okay.
[1:16:28] >> And for when you mention overall budget, just like where some of the revenue is
[1:16:34] coming through. When was the last fees were Fee schedules changed.
[1:16:43] >> Madam Chair Commissioners, you we were here in July. >> And the lead for the
[1:16:48] security services fee increase to one 24 hour. We were here a year before that to the one 10
[1:16:54] rate up from the 100. We do look at all of our fees as part of two-year budget
[1:17:01] process and do the analysis and make recommendations around There are some fees are
[1:17:05] set by statute. And so. You know, if we can justify it, will charge the statutory But
[1:17:13] other than that, we do. We do look a lot at fees, you know, with encouraging for my
[1:17:19] friend, Alex, about adding a bit over head, do it. So we've weve got treated in that space
[1:17:24] as well to help recover those costs and what that might look Some hands blocked by statute.
[1:17:31] And not we we do market analysis to see whether agencies are charging. What
[1:17:36] can be justified based labor contracts, benefits, risk mitigation. Most certain key
[1:17:39] points and then bring that proposal back to you guys for that discussion. Ultimate
[1:17:44] approval. Okay. >> And then last point to, as you know, as we are rolling
[1:17:48] our new technology around our budget for go with the name what date? What work day? Yes.
[1:17:55] May we get for the next budget? Just like a closer breakdown of like those where
[1:18:00] you're seeing increases in cost. And you have mentioned ready around food, Kohl's,
[1:18:05] Andrea security technology that would be helpful. Okay. Yes. Thank you.
[1:18:12] >> I so I the questions here doing good time. We are all doing it. But due to some huge
[1:18:21] disparities of those who have been booked into the jail is typically with that, that
[1:18:25] community where we want and I-5 to 7% of the population. But we are booked at 51%. It's
[1:18:31] always just wondering if you can't share what green again and more of that residence and
[1:18:41] 2 that into the jail system. What are you seen? >> Thank you, commissioner.
[1:18:45] Think that's a great question. And it's also. You know, similar disparities are you
[1:18:51] know, other parts of deliveries of public service, child protection. whatever you
[1:18:54] know, for in terms of the jail. The jail is there. Arresting people are bringing
[1:19:00] them to the jail. You know, other agencies are. So there's why?
[1:19:07] >> Well, for probable cause that a crime has been committed makes its way porch.
[1:19:11] You know that the Chinese will weigh in if judge will, you know, the individual make
[1:19:15] their way through the court process. So we don't control who comes there. But what we
[1:19:19] do control is how we care for folks in custody. my question is when someone is in the
[1:19:25] community that is arrested. What I been arrested for. So we what is bringing them
[1:19:31] there. What's the crime was? The incident has happened. >> Okay.
[1:19:46] >> Yes. I'm just like with what is the incident that has happened, that that you are
[1:19:49] seen on the record as of 4? know Rob Murray or murder or domestic abuse. What is what
[1:20:00] we've seen? What is the data telling table grape, pull that together, bringing them in
[1:20:02] high numbers and then what would it take? You know, I'm thinking what would it take?
[1:20:08] Sabrina numbers, Dow, what is happening here right? We need to see a visual that what what
[1:20:16] that? We've talked a lot about significant pressure around 20. And what that brings into
[1:20:23] a saved significant everal 20. I've been move yeah. That's a significant pressure for us.
[1:20:31] It hold together. I think those conversations best start with some data doing you know,
[1:20:38] potential policy discussions or other decisions. And we have the data well worded of
[1:20:41] people, you >> Like the data. But I think once we have the data it's a
[1:20:46] sheriff said, you know, we can have a second 3rd, 4003th conversation around that
[1:20:50] right? I think there will be helpful. >> You know, the word in has
[1:20:56] seen. lot of what we do is to a prevention lands, right? You know But way too late if
[1:21:04] they're consistently are being driven into the system. And so if we, you you don't talk much
[1:21:11] about community partners, but I know you do work with community. Yes and have
[1:21:16] community play a role and supporting those individuals so that maybe they're repeat
[1:21:22] offenders may be there violating probation. don't know right. And so I think be
[1:21:29] helpful to be able to see what was driving those numbers out so much and with an eye to his
[1:21:37] mental health, you that would be helpful to be able know and all the other you can get that
[1:21:44] he shared that fact. That would awesome. All right. That was my. Thank you. See here
[1:21:53] from moment it was something else that was tied I hate to hear. All I just want to also
[1:22:02] shared you. You gave us some numbers around expungement process. I know my office is
[1:22:09] working on doing expungement And so whatever help that the sheriff's office can give us
[1:22:15] to put together to We have judges who have asked that needs to be a part of this
[1:22:20] process. It would be great if you can help. Help us with that. up to All right. Thank
[1:22:25] you. With that. We're going to hand it over commissioner just mentor. You brought up great
[1:22:34] question about what is thing that people. ?
[1:22:41] >> it's a great conversation to have. And I happy if you keep those numbers what does
[1:22:45] what brings them in there? And then I think it's going to be a good conversation we have
[1:22:49] with our county attorney who is, you know, the one charging these 2 who sends them
[1:22:55] two-year send them to your facility and I think it needs to be, you know, we all need
[1:22:58] to be concerned about how do we prevent these and how how do we do early intervention on
[1:23:03] these? And so I'm glad you're keeping. And if you're keeping those numbers, that would be
[1:23:08] good for us to. Health and all of early intervention and prevention work. And I think
[1:23:12] it is a good conversation. Like I said to have their county attorney as well. And
[1:23:18] it brings up the question that I will ask our county attorney as well as you know, how are
[1:23:21] we working with our local law enforcement to get their numbers do they funneled
[1:23:28] through to us. I mean, you for your contract cities. You keeping track of what your
[1:23:32] officers in the contract cities are finding out in the community and what's bringing
[1:23:37] them to charged. You know, just an inch or up in the city's and then they they get
[1:23:43] charged by the county attorney. So you're kind of at the beginning. And and and
[1:23:48] there's someone in the middle there. It's it's a process. But sure get the contract.
[1:23:53] He's a quarterly report. >> Recaps calls for those parts. There's an online Web
[1:23:59] site with the BCA that this crime data should good metrics out there publicly available
[1:24:04] and then some internal work. We do. But the contract cities for try and give calls for
[1:24:12] service today. >> And thank thank you for bringing that decision. Madam
[1:24:15] Chair, that I'm glad keeping data. And that may be part of a workshop. Then, you know, is
[1:24:19] how or what are we seeing in our communities an you know how are all of our
[1:24:22] departments, you know, working and how we can you know, best, you know, keep those numbers
[1:24:29] low. So yeah, thank Thank So let me just say You know, when that individual is picked up
[1:24:36] to pick even before they are charged anything. >> If you And so it is a
[1:24:45] partnership between think our county attorneys office, community-based organizations.
[1:24:49] A mental health professional. comprehensive, you It can be if we weren't toys that type
[1:25:01] And so it would be I think it's just going to be helpful. to figure out why this is high
[1:25:07] numbers. This is a small population. All right. And whether are repeat offenders.
[1:25:13] Christina is like how can we see into checked into some of that right for whatever
[1:25:20] reason, because we don't want always to be a police right? Or county attorney issue. You
[1:25:26] know, I to say it's like all of our problems. how do the part of the solutions in how
[1:25:33] do we want people to be? Putting into a system that calls E the and that the harm
[1:25:41] to the system worked to communities. I seem your flesh are here and you want to add
[1:25:47] to conversation of it's very important to me as well. >> If you want to change the
[1:25:51] numbers in our facility. >> We need to do more work with youth.
[1:25:57] >> Because that is the precursor to their appearance in our jail. We try to do a
[1:26:03] lot as much as we can. But I would make that one of the top priorities of the county to
[1:26:09] help our use developing a healthy way so they don't visit our facilities in the
[1:26:14] future. >> Thank you for sharing. And I agree. And if
[1:26:20] >> So with that, we have. We have a cake this is very different scene. Okay,
[1:26:28] contingency. I just I just want to say because you open up the conversation on the
[1:26:32] contract cities. I just want to say thank you. You know, one of the reasons
[1:26:38] >> I had an of getting to know different members of the sheriff's office in the last
[1:26:41] year and a half is because of so many the contract cities are my district and mking
[1:26:45] sure to make sure folks know and that that the sheriff's office is an independently
[1:26:54] elected office that share from occur almost acts as chief of police. And they're in there
[1:26:57] for respective cities of their contract cities that those are relationships between the
[1:27:03] municipality's themselves. And and you as far as level of service, that contracts that
[1:27:05] all of that and just making sure that all of that is going as smoothly as possible
[1:27:11] because people in community don't always know who's making decisions on water, who to
[1:27:15] call if they have questions. So I just want to say I appreciate that ongoing
[1:27:22] conversation. Communications that were directing people to the right place for the right
[1:27:24] answer. So the right questions I bring up something. But in a way that just a hope opens us
[1:27:31] up for for positive conversation in a future workshop. I know that there.
[1:27:35] >> Ramsey County League local governments is hosting a discussion around flock
[1:27:38] cameras tomorrow. I know are our partners in Saint Paul have have made their thoughts
[1:27:42] known one of 19 cities within Ramsey County. And we're an entity that works with the
[1:27:48] different jurisdictions. And so I just I believe that we anticipate there being we've
[1:27:53] been an ongoing policy discussions as different entities has different issues
[1:27:59] happen throughout the community over the year and just for transparency in
[1:28:04] awareness and sharing information, I believe, will now that the fairs over that
[1:28:11] they'll be some potential time for us to address these issues and talk about these things.
[1:28:17] And if people have questions in the meantime, how would they directors call? So if
[1:28:21] they live in say, sure, viewer North Oaks or something and they want to know about that
[1:28:24] issue from you directly. >> Look, live in our contract cities. They should be
[1:28:30] directed to Undersheriff Graham occur that serves as the chief of those cities. He
[1:28:35] handles many of them City councils have been asking. I think you have a copy of the
[1:28:41] memo that he sent to them. People can always call me. I'm pretty accessible. We're
[1:28:48] looking forward to discussion. I think that the flock debate really. Should be handling the
[1:28:54] legislative. The sate of Minnesota Legislature think uniform policy across all
[1:29:02] jurisdictions. So there's not hodgepodge approach to this is the best way know Mr. McNair,
[1:29:06] trees. Life has. Author and some legislation in the past. We welcome that discussion.
[1:29:14] And we think that's a place to start. They're clearly many things that can be discussed.
[1:29:20] Retention of data. Guidelines for who can access the What it guidelines for searching,
[1:29:27] which already exist. But clearly the ability, you know, on a stolen goes by an
[1:29:33] intersection is one of the reasons that crime is down in Ramsey County. cannot lose
[1:29:41] that ability to identify still in tatters. can control many other things in the process.
[1:29:46] And we're welcome to do that. >> And we welcome that discussion. But I in terms of
[1:29:53] transparency, think I've been pretty transparent. My opinion flock. It's the most valuable
[1:29:57] tool, but I've seen in 40 years to help us reduce crime. And we have done that in the
[1:30:02] past 3 years. So we will have discussion, I think, in November with the cunty board
[1:30:07] how you want to wigh in and we'll continue to hve discussion but I don't think
[1:30:12] we're going to be attending the meeting tomorrow night. >> not county manager. Yeah, I
[1:30:18] do want to step i here because I wanted to share what we've been from from my level
[1:30:23] with Deputy County Manager Reyes and why we need a little time to do some due diligence
[1:30:29] as part of our assessment. You know, we a year ago, I know Sheriff, you are here. We talk
[1:30:36] a little bit about the contract provisions and things like that. We've been talking
[1:30:38] our county attorney, obviously to focus on, you know what, within those contracts we can
[1:30:44] continue to look at for you now, some compliance and oversight. But before we do
[1:30:50] any of that, want to remind people we a county that is comprised of it. As I said
[1:30:55] earlier today, 18 cities in one township and they're represented by all the
[1:31:00] different municipalities. In addition to multiple law enforcement agencies. In
[1:31:04] addition to our own sheriff who serves as both the sheriff of the county and also the
[1:31:09] contacted law enforcement for several of our cities. I hve engaged our city
[1:31:15] administrators. They have been a very quick to respond with some conversation. I sent a
[1:31:21] survey out to them to understand their perspectives and their local communities in
[1:31:26] partnership with their local law enforcement. And I have a meeting later this month,
[1:31:31] which is my kind every other month meeting with the city administrators. And I want to
[1:31:37] just give ourselves the time to have those conversations in order to understand what our
[1:31:43] communities are thinking. We are much more than one community. And so we need to
[1:31:47] think about all tose partners. Ad I want to bring all that information to the
[1:31:52] board in a meaningful way. As you continue to engage with the sheriff has one of the
[1:31:57] partners in that in that work. So that is wy we're it's going to take a little bit of
[1:32:02] time to do the due diligence is a strong belief of mine that that is the good
[1:32:07] governance of the county board. And I would recommend that we do that work with that
[1:32:14] due diligence. It is our responsibility to understand how this technology is being
[1:32:18] used to ensure that there are appropriate protections and oversight are i place. We
[1:32:23] should identify areas where there's additional attention and information that we need.
[1:32:28] And that's what I've asked the city administrators. They have questions about an additional
[1:32:32] information they could use. And so that is one of the I think the rules of the county
[1:32:36] is to ensure we have consistent information across our community for all our
[1:32:42] policymakers. So I'm gonna take that responsibility with that became manager very
[1:32:45] seriously. Thank you for giving me some time. consultant with chair take
[1:32:49] about meeting the time to do that. Well, for the board. And so thank And I can answer
[1:32:54] another question. I want to you guys. The board knew what I what Deputy County Manager
[1:32:58] Reyes and I have been doing so thank you. >> And I would just I would
[1:33:04] just say that, you know, we're facing a time of great mistrust in government
[1:33:09] universally at every level. And so what I'm hearing from community from every political
[1:33:13] stripe is as much as we can show our work to demonstrate the stewardship of resources,
[1:33:20] data information, public safety, all of those things in every level, whether that's
[1:33:23] when we take a tree down park or we handle some of these care and custody. I think any
[1:33:28] time we have the opportunity share information that's helpful for people to trust
[1:33:31] that the work that we're doing is in their best interests. I I appreciate need respond to
[1:33:37] that. >> I don't regarding law enforcement. You may have
[1:33:44] distrust of government in general. But Ihave to tell you, I've been at this for
[1:33:48] many years. We're experiencing great support and great trust from our communities in the
[1:33:55] job we're doing. We get higher marks in all evaluations that occur in your contract cities.
[1:34:02] And every indication is that the community at large trust us. I've been in bad times in
[1:34:11] the past in my 40 plus year career. But I think to characterize it as a time of
[1:34:17] great mistrust, not for law enforcement that maybe you can speak for other elected
[1:34:22] officials. But I can tell you we get constant. Thank you's for the work that we're doing
[1:34:29] constant and we appreciate that. >> so we also.
[1:34:36] >> Sure that our future decision-making reflects continuation of that growing
[1:34:41] trust. >> And I think my my comments there on this particular topic
[1:34:47] have to do with people. People do have strong thoughts on the technology to use and all of
[1:34:54] that. And that's beyond any particular public safety's department. It's this
[1:34:58] particular technology and the use of it. And I think that you know, trust but verify is
[1:35:02] is a part of our stewardship of that dta. So I just I welcome that said that you're
[1:35:07] open continuing these conversations. Thank you. >> What desn't it comes his
[1:35:13] own and quite well before we leave? I do want to say one thing, though, I know thing
[1:35:17] introduced director long as doctor long. And that's great. I just want to point out that
[1:35:26] me counties that is about to be. >> Doctor means In the final
[1:35:33] stage of his district Haitian by the end of the . >> It's like The Wizard of Oz.
[1:35:37] We'll have we'll have the diploma now to go with But we always refer to him as our
[1:35:43] smartest man. He is our smartest man. You know, he is more knowledgeable than
[1:35:45] anything. But I just very proud of this young And the topic is the relationship
[1:35:51] between county boards, county sheriffs and >> county administrators and
[1:35:54] Minnesota. hopefully are 264 pages will be published shortly.
[1:36:03] >> he had would think you for that update about what the public is really saying about
[1:36:07] the sheriff's office in law enforcement. You know, think sometimes we live in world of
[1:36:13] conspiracy theories that is ramp it. And I just law enforcement are out meaning
[1:36:19] things. This is this conspiracy theories. yes, I feel sometimes out of control,
[1:36:26] but I think it is important that, you know, if you can help us what you doing with if
[1:36:31] Mason, what is the tracking? What is the utilization of the information being used for
[1:36:35] just to give us some more information that can happen. that see no understand. What
[1:36:45] are we cameras for right? we shared information with I think that would be helpful
[1:36:51] for just the public in General. agree. Next. I'm going to go back to
[1:37:00] Commissioner John in the choir. Yes, thank you. >> Yeah, I I appreciate candid
[1:37:05] conversation right now as we're talking about the mistrust in government because
[1:37:08] I do also want to add the contacts that sheriff, I respect that you're
[1:37:13] approaching it from alaw enforcement point of view of how technology health and
[1:37:17] advocacy for state level guidance and how that technology is used. And I also
[1:37:22] want to put us in the context of where we are in right now of just surveillance and then
[1:37:29] also where federal funds are going to 2 large detention centers for immigration
[1:37:36] enforcement. So I just want to put us in that context to say that there it's conversation,
[1:37:43] a perspective that requires all policymakers, especially where we see where the money
[1:37:48] is going. And then also to let the deregulation at the federal level around use of
[1:37:55] technology and people's data privacy, all of that leads to people and very hard
[1:38:03] situations where even through legal processes they cannot get their ID. They cannot get
[1:38:08] their immigration. People in fear of being deported and detained which is happening.
[1:38:14] We just met with Wilder, for example, and they're talking folks who really basically in
[1:38:20] limbo and also at rsk of losing additional benefits from both federal and state.
[1:38:26] That will add a strain on to our county budget. So I just want to put that in contacts
[1:38:30] and just we want to make sure that we have conversation going and you know, the you
[1:38:36] self additional technology here. So thank you for being open to that. as continue on
[1:38:46] with that, because I think it's a good conversation to be having an a
[1:38:49] >> appreciate my colleagues. I just want to say that it's been amazing to think all of
[1:38:55] us that and we appreciate that. You distinguish yourself so that people do trust local
[1:39:00] law enforcement. But they're very if distrust full of Nash, you know, of anything at the
[1:39:06] federal level, federal immigration officials, any of that? You know, we we we know
[1:39:10] they were calling you to protect them from immigration coming you know, so we know
[1:39:15] that there's a distinction there. And so I I would say that. I my my residents are
[1:39:21] not the testing of all levels of law enforcement date. They're happy to be supporting
[1:39:27] local or B, okay with the local but not not the national. And that's what we
[1:39:32] have to really balance out. And I just would concur with my colleagues on the the
[1:39:39] diligence that we need have is a board all of these that the technology and the the work
[1:39:43] that we're doing. I mean, we don't want people uniforms being at our our election
[1:39:50] center site because people are nervous about So I think if they saw a Ramsey County
[1:39:53] sheriff there, they would be much better than an invasion. But we don't we're not a lot.
[1:39:57] You know, we're not having you know, those things happen. So just to appreciate the work
[1:40:04] that we need to do together to help residents feel safe and secure. So thank you. And we
[1:40:11] look over issue voting stake in response it. Yeah, al those things are real all at
[1:40:17] one time writing. So yeah, the work we do. >> relationship partnership
[1:40:23] really crucially important. Important to us as a county. So thank congratulations on
[1:40:28] that before Doctor okay. Congratulations and thank you for the work that you do.
[1:40:34] Florida rsidents, Ramsey County. And so with that, going to break for lunch. is
[1:40:40] now about almost to a 15 will be back at one 15. All right. Thank you.
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[2:00:03] ? ? Okay. I want to welcome
[2:00:14] everybody. Everyone back to the Ramsey County Budget Committee of the Home.
[2:00:19] >> In afternoon session, we have Ramsey County Attorney office that would be
[2:00:23] presenting to us this afternoon. >> And so it will be OK if I
[2:00:29] county attorney John Shore. >> Thank you. good afternoon, Madam Chair members of the
[2:00:42] board of Commissioners and county manager and staff. vry pleased to be here today this
[2:00:48] afternoon to present to Some of the performance measures that we are checking jointly
[2:00:55] with the board and the county manager at our office. Before I begin, I want to thank
[2:01:02] specifically my staff, Chris Tolbert in the cold for spent countless hours making sure
[2:01:08] that we are aligned with orchestrating the data we're percent today so that we're in
[2:01:12] alignment. And so with that the action, gt right into it. And then I think I'll get
[2:01:20] through this relatively quickly spend whatever time all of you want questions that
[2:01:28] you might have insider observation that could help us. better court did with the
[2:01:35] county's overall call. We really d appreciate I know that some of the values and
[2:01:42] vision that were established by some of prior board members. But still, there are
[2:01:47] people here. But every day when I open up my computer, you know, I see Rams the
[2:01:54] Ramsey County, we'll and all of those values and vision that.
[2:01:58] >> And I think that is so critical for us. All of to get to that vision of one.
[2:02:06] >> Ramsey County recognizing that certainly we have different roles and know our
[2:02:08] statutory duties and elective offices. just I want to hear I want you to hear it from me
[2:02:16] that from my perspective as an elected official independently elected, that it's very
[2:02:22] critical for us to be aligned with this board and the work of all of the other
[2:02:30] departments throughout Ramsey County because when we are all pulling in the same direction,
[2:02:35] we're going to accomplish so much more. And I think that's the gist Ramsey County and the
[2:02:41] East Metro is truly a shining example. Of what happens around when leaders come
[2:02:49] together. They stopped believing in criticizing each other and can focus what the
[2:02:54] people want us to be focusing on, which are the outcome which will be talking about
[2:02:59] here today. I know that you've heard from the sheriff earlier, but he talked a lot
[2:03:04] about the reductions violent crime. >> All of the good things that
[2:03:10] are happening around the public safety. And I'm sure was the first to tell you that
[2:03:12] none of that happens in a silo are individually, but truly is a collaboration of working
[2:03:21] between agencies but also with their community. And a lot of really good things have
[2:03:26] happened. And so we take to some of the values is teaching values at the county board is
[2:03:32] put into place aout 10 or in community and all of those transformational goals. So
[2:03:39] >> just a little description, especially for some of the folks that might be relatively
[2:03:42] to the board. We have a of a 360 Ft ease. I think often times when you think about the
[2:03:55] county attorney's office, >> we often tend to the news is the prosecution function,
[2:04:00] this the function that if state statute that has 87 elected county attorneys and
[2:04:05] there's a big part of that job certainly. Around the performance of the prosecution
[2:04:11] function, course, at county level we prosecute and focus on it for the adults. The
[2:04:17] adult felony crimes. And then there are misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor crimes that
[2:04:25] are mandated by statute that we would handle that city attorneys and of course,
[2:04:28] attorneys would handle on the adult side. All of the misdemeanor level It would
[2:04:34] which would be their jurisdiction. So in that prosecution function, kind of
[2:04:43] divide up our office into a number of divisions. And so we have a pretrial justice
[2:04:48] division and that is te group that is led by Sarah Corey here who our division director
[2:04:55] at her. >> Team. What they do is they will receive cases from the
[2:05:03] police because we're a complaint basis the police. Don't go knocking on people's
[2:05:05] door. Dash cam they've been a victim of a crime, they investigated if they think
[2:05:10] that the case should be prosecuted, they submit to our office. And so in that what's
[2:05:16] critically important is that we make the right decisions about whether or not from an
[2:05:22] ethical standpoint we have sufficient evidence to charge a particular case. And that
[2:05:27] division will also make determinations about diversion. And we're going to
[2:05:30] talk a little bit about diversion today. >> They also have the
[2:05:34] treatment court. They also do of the welfare fraud investigations. We have a
[2:05:39] number of investigators that work in that division and they have done a great job. In
[2:05:48] working on what they're supposed to be doing person our legal duties.
[2:05:52] >> And we then we have trials division and that's where the bulk of our prosecutors are.
[2:06:01] in that division is led by how when who could be here today. But and must people Lesko on
[2:06:07] the assistant division directors and then in a place Ryan plan here today. But that
[2:06:12] that that is our largest prosecution division. And, you know, there was a time and
[2:06:18] that division, it's still yet today. But of the big issues that we had a lot of people
[2:06:21] leaving. And we the county manager, Labor relations and this board for the work that
[2:06:29] you did too in mid just some of those wges. And so no, the experience leaving our Gore
[2:06:41] has stopped. We still have mental workload issues, but that really made a difference.
[2:06:46] I want to just thank you for that. And then, of we also have our victim witness a post
[2:06:55] conviction, just a vision that division was led by Tammy McConkey who some of you have
[2:06:58] met over the years. She is retired and now an econ has taken her place. But that is
[2:07:06] the division where all of our advocates victim, witness advocates work. And so we have
[2:07:11] a great group folks that are working with victims and witnesses to make sure that
[2:07:16] they have all of their questions answered that we support them in. We fulfill
[2:07:19] our ethical its statutory duties under the victim rights statute. And then that
[2:07:28] division is also doing some of the work around the expungement, which we will
[2:07:31] talk about today's performance measures. The prosecutor initiated expungements and
[2:07:37] then they're also working on the re-sentencing with things that are more post conviction
[2:07:43] related when somebody is claiming in a centre we had to do the the the review Doctor
[2:07:51] McKee's cases that work happens out of that particular division and then the and then
[2:07:56] we have the civil side of our office. that part of our office. We are biggest
[2:08:03] division is our Human Services legal division. And in that division, we have a child
[2:08:12] protection attorneys and they work very closely with us for this. This Asian state. And
[2:08:15] that partnership is really, really critical. And then we have our civil commitment
[2:08:22] attorneys and that's division where they have increased experienced a huge influx of
[2:08:28] just Brooke Loewe tissues. Just the numbers of people that are coming to the
[2:08:33] attention of a civil commitment. Attorneys through the criminal court or
[2:08:36] otherwise as dramatically expanded. And so and we've been able to move some
[2:08:41] resources in that area. And we again, appreciate the support of the board to help us with
[2:08:49] that workload. In addition to those 2 functions, we also have our child support legal
[2:08:53] function. That supports. Our child support program. interestingly, Ramsey County
[2:09:02] is the only county where the child support program is actually administered out of
[2:09:06] the county attorney's office that. decision was made long long ago when I was a young
[2:09:14] child to the metrics that they why that decision was made. But for te most part, we've
[2:09:19] had some board workshops around and delving deeper into child support. And we are
[2:09:24] going to talk about one of their performance indicators and all of my managers are all
[2:09:32] here at Tryst scope. Hammer is the person child. Support program. So that's kind of our
[2:09:39] organization. And so if there's any questions that you have plays like in the future
[2:09:45] that you kind of know, how are organizations get always try with me here, the managers
[2:09:50] that, you know, but we'll get you connected to the right place. So the strategic
[2:09:55] priority for the county that we really connect to its. Obviously lot of the work
[2:10:01] would be in the justice transformation generational wealth and economic justice
[2:10:07] and at the sme time, also to racial and health equity ensure community collar. And
[2:10:13] that's something they really want to talk about, because I think that is something that
[2:10:16] is very, very unique to Ramsey County and the way that we. aligned ourselves with our
[2:10:23] community. And I think it's actually producing a better version of safety and justice
[2:10:30] will talk a little bit about that would make it too the slide. So on the right side of
[2:10:35] what you're looking at. going to be the performance measures that all delve into a little
[2:10:40] bit more deeply. So just pause there. And before I get into the each individual
[2:10:46] performance measure. Case, there's any question. Okay. Here we go. So first
[2:10:57] performance measurement that we're looking at. You know, I'm really proud of leadership
[2:11:04] of our county and also Washington County because we were the first 2 counties
[2:11:09] that. Believed that under the state statute around expungements. Typically what
[2:11:17] would happen before is that was a statute that allowed for people to expunge records. But
[2:11:21] you had to do it yourself. other words, you had to file application. And it was so
[2:11:29] complicated that, you know, for many people, they had to hire that attorney. So then
[2:11:32] there was an equity issue there about who had really access to expunge all of, you
[2:11:37] know, a felony conviction can really hold you back, right? We know that intuitively
[2:11:44] because we are al connected to our community the thought in fact, you know, there's an
[2:11:52] aspect of the criminal justice system that is focused on that sentence. Some point. We have
[2:11:57] to stop punishing people when they have a tone for what they've done, they've done,
[2:12:02] everything that we have asked them to do. Those cloud of consequences. Don't go away.
[2:12:09] And so we felt that it was important that at least Washington Ramsey County that
[2:12:16] we use that statute to create some new method or practice of what a prosecutor should do.
[2:12:21] In addition to securing convictions for those that are guilty. We should also do
[2:12:28] everything that we can to help people if they're eligible to get expungement. So we
[2:12:33] launched in October of 2019 help seal my record dot org. And then a year later, the
[2:12:42] attorney general joined in that effort. And their office. Then how's the website to take
[2:12:51] applications from people? And then the prosecutor around the state who would actually do
[2:12:55] the filing for you? To avoid a filing fee that would be incurred by the applicant. And
[2:13:04] if we believe that you are eligible under the statute and you had done the things that
[2:13:08] you needed to do. We would take that on ourselves. And these are the numbers of
[2:13:17] people that we have been able to actually get expungement for a sense, the genesis of
[2:13:22] the program. I think there was some initial part of it. I mean, there's only certain
[2:13:29] people are eligible. So there's a lot more work that goes into looking into whether
[2:13:33] or not somebody is eligible for expungement. And that isn't something that's really
[2:13:39] discretionary us. Actually stab wish by the state statute. And we've had some
[2:13:45] what you can see that we've kind of got up and down. And this is a big part of just
[2:13:49] kind of available resources that we have. But article hopefully in the future is to
[2:13:55] maintain at least being able to actually successfully from this program. Expunge 400
[2:14:03] records for people and hopefully maybe in the future as we think about how to
[2:14:08] utilize artificial intelligence that we think about how just kind of
[2:14:13] stabilize some of the things that we have going on right now. There pressures maybe we
[2:14:17] can even go more than that. So that's the number of expunge months for help. my record,
[2:14:23] that org. And sadly think to just for the public sake, you know, the attorney general
[2:14:28] because of some serious budget issues head discontinue their involvement with help. So my
[2:14:35] record dot org. now today there's only a small handful of counties that Washington
[2:14:41] Ramsey. I think it's Blue Earth but Hennepin and just a few others that are doing this
[2:14:47] prosecutor initiated re-sentencing. Explain is still available to people. But
[2:14:54] the prosecutor instead, we'll just respond to the application and they can
[2:15:00] either supported they could take a position that could pose the the request for
[2:15:04] expungement. The next one is also related expungements as well. And this would include a
[2:15:16] all of the applications that we would act on through the help steal my record DOT org
[2:15:19] portal. And by the way, that my record dot org. It's a way that we can help easily
[2:15:28] communicate that to people until we've held on to that name. So now that they're
[2:15:32] trying to is that no longer on it? It's there are still allowing us to use their
[2:15:36] website and that name. Hello to my record at Org was a actually a county expense for
[2:15:43] She county. So we control that. Don't mean. So we will always continue to use that.
[2:15:48] So this shows you just like all of the applications our review for some of these. The
[2:15:55] folks are these applications that takes quite some time to get through.
[2:15:59] >> The criminal history. But these are the total numbers of applications that come in
[2:16:04] through helps my record org as well as >> those individuals who are
[2:16:13] filing themselves. And then we would respond. And we're always trying to help people.
[2:16:20] Expunge their criminal record when it's appropriate. In fact, it's one of the most
[2:16:23] important economic development tool shed is proven actually you expunged.
[2:16:27] >> Felony criminal record. On average and the study from your Michigan, that they're
[2:16:37] income will increase by 20%. And so it is I very connected. Also to some of the economic
[2:16:44] justice schools of the county as well. So pause here to front, moved on to the next
[2:16:50] topic. But that's expunge month. And we do appreciate all of the resources that you
[2:16:55] have given us. In fact, we dedicate. One of our fellows for take action, allowing our
[2:17:05] office to have fellows in our office. >> That allows us to hire
[2:17:12] people to kind develop the workforce. And we have historically assigned one of
[2:17:17] those attorneys to work in the victim. Witness post conviction, Justice Division.
[2:17:24] >> I want to thank you this work. We have couple of questions. this whole response
[2:17:31] peace is really critical people independence to to get into the workforce, to get
[2:17:37] housing. It just has so many great. Solutions to the problems that we find people.
[2:17:46] Drowning is sometimes when they can just can not enough himself about of.
[2:17:51] >> The the the incident that they found himself and get them in do have a record.
[2:17:56] >> You know, my office is working in this spot before 9, 0, Steve has been working
[2:18:00] really closely trying to put this together. And so I'm hoping that we can count on
[2:18:05] like you office, the sheriff's office and who have asked to put put in to really do
[2:18:11] effectively. funds meant clinic for residents in my district because my district
[2:18:20] one district, what is the high number of for many have records. And so it's really
[2:18:26] important to have something in place. But if you don't know how to access it, to go
[2:18:31] through the process to get to spies May 8 because another barrier place. For that
[2:18:37] individual is some time hope families. So Just want to say thank you for your working
[2:18:44] leadership in this area, right to please advise to community events were always available
[2:18:49] effect would just have one of one of our attorneys to one of the fellows.
[2:18:54] >> Went to Metro State on invitation to come. And so we had like a a table there,
[2:19:01] sharing information with people. So we're always interested in coming to a
[2:19:08] community events. And and again, just please refer people because it's really
[2:19:12] simple. Web helps heal my record dot org. And then that will take them to a place
[2:19:17] where they just need click. The Ramsey County been. Okay. Commissioner to scene.
[2:19:24] >> Oh, yes. So I love that. both of these performance measures are together looking
[2:19:30] at the second one. It talks about the number of applications that were
[2:19:33] reviewed and then the number the first one is the number that were actually helped get
[2:19:39] get their records sealed. Does this reflect I mean, I guess question Is some of the issues
[2:19:49] about morning more people to be able to successfully availed himself of this
[2:19:54] opportunity. Is getting the word out? Is that helping them to the process or and also how
[2:19:59] many people who apply. >> For whatever reason are able to records expunged.
[2:20:06] mean, what would be some of the the things is if people are, if people, if we were to
[2:20:11] promote this, I can imagine those are some of the first questions that people would
[2:20:15] ask >> One of the I think just by looking at the 2 slides, you
[2:20:19] could probably get an understanding of maybe what >> is sccessful. And the
[2:20:25] success is that it's it's very much statutorily prevent, right? So if they're only
[2:20:30] certain eligible look a fence is that are eligible. So. >> One of the things would be
[2:20:36] as for the legislature to expand. >> That list that would be one
[2:20:41] possibility of getting more available. Expungement. >> There's also I think that
[2:20:47] the there's something called the Clean Slate Act that passed and into the process of
[2:20:56] being implemented. And so hopefully more tis will become more automated. I think
[2:21:01] in terms of the question that you're getting at. That would be the best solution. But I do
[2:21:06] that. It's not been fully implemented yet, but they're working on that. That that
[2:21:12] would be the best way is to fix just out of manatee going expunge those records. But
[2:21:19] until that is like at full implementation, we will continue to do what we do it.
[2:21:23] In addition to that, there's other types of ticks, punishment, relief that
[2:21:29] applicant can seek. That might be beyond the enumerated list of the statute. That would be
[2:21:36] like a judicial expungement and we would still have a rule it as we kind of get to a
[2:21:41] place where we have a better clarity and understanding of how that clean slate law is
[2:21:48] working. We can deploy our resources to always try to help with this col of
[2:21:57] alleviating unnecessary collateral consequences so that people can move on with
[2:21:59] their lives participate meaningfully in our economy have to comb of justice. So
[2:22:09] maybe a follow-up for clarification as part of the application and the The portal
[2:22:16] map here. >> Is there like a pre screen somebody pretty quickly
[2:22:19] understand why I know what I'm going to be Look at what, what kind of a record and trying to
[2:22:24] have us funds as their candidate away so they can decide before they fill out
[2:22:29] this form and engage your office where they would have a clear indication of whether or
[2:22:32] not they're a good candidate or not. >> Well, how I mean or how you
[2:22:37] what exactly do that I've you would have to have them go to each individual statute and
[2:22:42] then figure out for themselves. If they do, there's no easy list of saying
[2:22:47] like you hear the hear the offenses that are on the. >> The the list and here, the
[2:22:51] ones that it see. I think it. >> There is a list, however, I think a lot of people don't
[2:22:55] remember. But their conviction was. And so it just we need some of the information to go
[2:23:06] and then that that ourselves, you so I think important for people to just fill out that
[2:23:11] form, right? And then and then we just. >> From a legal perspective,
[2:23:15] you have to make sure that it actually is because sometimes. Resolution of a case can be
[2:23:22] somewhat complicated, right? And so I kid I don't think like a lay person can actually
[2:23:26] figure out what all of that terms of what the record is actually. And so I do think
[2:23:33] that having some professional expertise in helping whether that's going to the library,
[2:23:39] library upstairs and having the Self Help Desk help you or someone from our office
[2:23:43] helping I think really critical. >> Thank you for explaining
[2:23:48] that complexity. I think, you know, and when you're not part of this system every day you
[2:23:55] can go, will you just gotta? And it's really a you just gotta this is usually much
[2:23:58] more Thank you for for providing the service to community member. Yeah. And
[2:24:03] there's also people have multiple convictions, usually, you know, because, you know,
[2:24:07] people coming into the criminal justice system the time because of addiction,
[2:24:09] right? >> And so deeply in addiction. You're probably committing a
[2:24:13] multiple. >> Multiple crimes and they could be in different
[2:24:18] jurisdictions. So there's also complexity to that as well. So could be city attorneys
[2:24:22] office, Ramsey County and then Dakota County. But we do everything that we can to help
[2:24:27] that individual with the Ramsey County convictions and they give him the the clarity
[2:24:30] of what they need to do next. >> Well, yu've simplified this definitely above my pay
[2:24:36] grade and education. So get filled out the application and let the let the professionals
[2:24:42] help you out. help sell my record dot Yeah. And if they don't trust the prosecutor or
[2:24:47] whatever I mean, there's also lots of resources with their Ramsey County Law And also 2
[2:24:53] people are listening if they convictions in Hennepin County, they have a great self
[2:24:57] help desk over there. >> So there are county governments that are there to
[2:25:01] help navigate that. >> for Tree. >> Thank you, Madam Chair.
[2:25:09] Thank County attorney for for this 1st half presentation. I think it just speaks volumes
[2:25:14] to the. The really impactful work that you and your office of doing. One thing I want to
[2:25:21] just bring up and I just kind of want to get a better sense behind the scenes here because
[2:25:24] you have to performance measures that are centered around next bondsman. just
[2:25:30] heard from the sheriff who also have a performance measure the thumb around 6
[2:25:34] months. what their collaboration with you all when it came determine that
[2:25:37] this was going to be a top priority for both offices or the buses just by happenstance
[2:25:42] that you all both had 6 months and that's top priorities. But what we do is very different.
[2:25:49] >> So they're on like if the judge orders an expungement right, then they have there's
[2:25:53] a lot of things that they need to do to comply with that. There's also the Clean Slate
[2:25:59] Act that they things that they need to do. that's why I would imagine that.
[2:26:03] >> The workload that's being driven for them is as a result of I think probably more
[2:26:12] expungement happening in Ramsey County. So in other words. Like if we are
[2:26:18] undertaking, this probably creates some work out back and for them to clean out their
[2:26:24] record to is that just the sheriff's office, they would be the BCA as well as other
[2:26:31] law enforcement agencies that would have that would maintain those records
[2:26:35] >> so its probably that is what their their work is like a little different that that
[2:26:40] the >> know, I appreciate that. a mission that that's really
[2:26:45] helpful. you mentioned with, you know, specifically helps to my record platform. The
[2:26:52] need for us to really get the message out. I wanted to see if you could elaborate more on
[2:26:58] what that out his plan lok like. How are all planning to really educate the public on
[2:27:03] this particular? platform and getting folks more games with. So had mentioned, I am very
[2:27:12] open to coming to by invitation and promoting But in terms of like massive.
[2:27:19] >> Promotion, we went down this rabbit hole 2 years ago. So if you want to go down this
[2:27:23] rabbit hole again, we can. We can't handle the flood of what happened. We just don't have
[2:27:29] the bodies. And right now there's other parts for office that are struggling and I can
[2:27:33] take from there to move it. right nowe have it under control and manage trade. So
[2:27:40] when we first launched this in 2019, we were just flooded and was overwhelming and it took
[2:27:46] us so long to. >> Just very ourselves from all of that. So we want to
[2:27:55] promote it, right. But if we do so promotion like it's a front page story i the news
[2:28:01] for S word of God will have 500 applications tomorrow and the percentage of like people
[2:28:06] who we can help is going to be a smaller percentage trade. So we like to promote like wind.
[2:28:14] If commissioner and you want to invite us to a community together that you're having,
[2:28:18] we'd love to be able to promote it. we want to keep it simple so that all of you can
[2:28:24] talk about Just go to help children, record dot org. if you live in Hennepin Ramsey or
[2:28:30] some of a few other counties throughout the state, they're willing to help you. And you
[2:28:36] won't have to incur filing fee and we'll do the best that we can to help. And maybe in our
[2:28:43] future to like, you know, once we get to a place where we could invest a little bit more
[2:28:47] into this, maybe we could think and then a lighting that with what the state is doing
[2:28:51] around the clean slate law. >> I think there are areas so that we can help people get
[2:28:57] out from underneath a >> the felony convictions so that they can move on with
[2:29:02] their lives and that would maybe require some additional partnerships. I think within
[2:29:07] the county, you know, with workforce solutions do and all those other places that we
[2:29:12] could do, something really special here County, like we always
[2:29:17] >> Thank you for that. my my last question, I our The performance measure to 4 the
[2:29:27] number spots went out with review. Can you walk us through what currently is kind
[2:29:31] of the the timeframe for your office and reviewing the explodes applications before
[2:29:37] then because at that point at this after it after us reviewed by your offices of
[2:29:42] issue to the court for them too process or? >> Yes, so we would have a
[2:29:48] process for we need vetted to make sure that the person is indeed eligible and that we
[2:29:53] would be supportive. But are, know, we want support everybody that's coming
[2:29:56] through. If they, you know, they have through done everything that we've asked
[2:29:59] them to do like there's no restitution that outstanding, et cetera. And we will then
[2:30:07] make of file that court and then I don't know exactly exact time frame, but that's
[2:30:15] important, too. I can certainly follow up and tell you like generally what it is.
[2:30:18] But Ican tell you that like in our office, I know what that time looks like. And in
[2:30:23] various it really does it. It varies around the backlog that we have. So if we right now,
[2:30:29] I'm just telling you that like the numbers that are coming in, it's very, very
[2:30:31] manageable. And it's helpful, very helpful that we're able to use one of our pathways
[2:30:40] fellows to dedicate to that division to really focus on this. And of course, apparent
[2:30:47] who handles all of this, too, is very, very busy as well as she's got other duties as
[2:30:50] assigned. And >> and thank you, Madam Chair. Like this to go to the
[2:31:02] percentage cases where office years, how community. I'm just interested one of the context
[2:31:09] around where you mentioned that girls are more likely to experience share communion.
[2:31:13] The power in this case, not in their cases. May you explain bit more follow some of that
[2:31:21] programming that's available now because, you know, we were just at like JT yesterday we
[2:31:27] saw the girls report in as a part of that. it also expressed that, you know,
[2:31:33] there weren't as many services for girls to that the experience that they want to
[2:31:39] listen to so many, you speak a little bit more about what And thank you for that because I
[2:31:43] got to get all the slides, right? Yeah. So maybe if it's okay, if it's OK with the
[2:31:48] Senate chair going to be question because we haven't gotten to mybe if I could
[2:31:56] just get the that's what made back to the occasion. And >> If that's the case, let's
[2:32:01] for a kid may recall back to expunge Munson. >> For just very quickly what
[2:32:08] with the review process that your office has You spoke about it a little bit, but you
[2:32:13] have to clear and make sure that their word that they've done everything ready to clear
[2:32:19] their record. Yeah, I'm in a good example would be that there's smething like there's
[2:32:24] a one. The probation terms was for restitution happened. >> Maybe that has to happen.
[2:32:29] so then we have to think about. >> That in that context. But
[2:32:36] for the most part, I mean, what we want to see is that probation term. And then
[2:32:41] there's an eligibility time period right at the pin. It all depends on how your case
[2:32:44] got resolved and a lot of times people don't know they don't remember how look at
[2:32:51] yourself so that we need to figure out how that was. And then we need to look at the
[2:32:53] statute to see if everyone if the underlying conviction isn't eligible one that can be
[2:32:58] expunged. And then the second part of it, too, is there's like waiting periods as well.
[2:33:05] >> carry us if if there's any way to like systematically and do this right like that,
[2:33:14] they've met, although certain criteria and then, you know, just it gets explain, shot
[2:33:19] medically so that you don't have. Yeah. And that's what the state passed. It's called
[2:33:24] the Clean Slate law. But I think the implementation of that and that's what's
[2:33:27] causing. I think some of the >> the workload for the sheriff's office and lot a lot
[2:33:34] first agencies. But that is the North star, the door star that that legislation was
[2:33:40] passed. The 2023 legislative session been working doing a fleet trying to implement
[2:33:49] that. And the BCA is the agency that is responsible. For implementing that. And
[2:33:54] they're trying to get to that North star where if you hit that, you know, you Jabal
[2:34:02] conviction it's waiting period has gone right, that there would just be an automatic
[2:34:08] expungement. But here's the problem, too, with this is just say we're going deep into
[2:34:15] expired So this is about sealing public records, right? But there's so many data
[2:34:20] miners out there right? They have private databases. If they just took a picture like
[2:34:27] last year, so people can still show up on that. So there's still a gap. next step might
[2:34:31] for the Legislature. Maybe addressing that issue. But they have not done that. But
[2:34:39] that is the north stars to do this automatically. And I think that would be geat. And
[2:34:44] then that would leave a stand with looking at for a specific things that might be be on
[2:34:50] that that it's a new rated in the statute and working a judicial expungements and
[2:34:56] things like that. And then there's probably other things that we could be looking
[2:35:00] Burnett completely their concern full implementation >> And just a final question
[2:35:08] around this lake. >> Is there any data that your office can provide to the
[2:35:14] state and or for us to advocate and share with our state legislators about this.
[2:35:19] And terms of like the impact in our community currently. >> Some try understand like
[2:35:26] what kind of story text or you want to like the numbers like do have estimates on how many
[2:35:34] people would be eligible the records be expunged currently in Ramsey
[2:35:40] >> I don't. But I think that could gotten somehow. You know, I mean, thought we had
[2:35:44] a big project. We first started this. Prescott initiative expunged we looked
[2:35:50] at. All fifth-degree drug offenses and we had a project that a partnership with Earls.
[2:36:01] To work sending letters to individuals. The best address that we had the opportunity to
[2:36:09] expunge records. I think we probably have some numbers about 53 drug cases. Felony
[2:36:14] low-level drug possession cases. >> Yes, my point to 2, this is
[2:36:22] just really that, you know, as the BC is responsible for rolling. you know, maybe this
[2:36:26] is smething that it's not top mind for our legislators to. So it's helpful for us in.
[2:36:32] That's really important for me that folks who are eligible for it like utilize this as
[2:36:36] well because it does have economic impacts to our community's overall. economic
[2:36:42] impact doesn't like the health and well-being of our community yeah. The University
[2:36:45] Michigan says that there's a 20% >> improvement income for
[2:36:51] individuals to get a felony record expunged. Absolutely. Thank. Thank you.
[2:36:58] >> Commissioner, Thank you. Madam Chair. save a lot of my comments for. then the next
[2:37:02] set of questions. But just appreciate your work >> holes in our county and
[2:37:09] your work and community and, you know, work and early intervention and pevention. I
[2:37:14] just want thank you have been leading lady in those areas. thank you for that. Just a
[2:37:22] quick question on expungement. And that asked other questions, of course, as we
[2:37:25] go. But if so, say unpaid. 44, the number of expansion applications reviewed. We've
[2:37:33] got a couple of 13, 50,000 50. If if you're not there, you're just going go back
[2:37:40] applications for sealing records. Right at me, you can only review the ones that
[2:37:46] you've received. So just What you've been telling us is that there's probably a lot of more
[2:37:51] out there that you could You could get a lot more records to review. So this is what you
[2:37:56] think your office can handle. 13, 50, but you could do a lot more if you have the
[2:38:02] resources. Absolutely. Thank you for that question. Yeah. We just feel like right now
[2:38:05] we're in a good spot. >> With the resources that we have and being able make
[2:38:11] people wait for a long, long period of time to get an answer. Yes. So that's good to
[2:38:16] know. And maybe what I partners. >> Who really want this work
[2:38:20] to be done because as you said, it's good for our economic development of fire
[2:38:23] residents. So thank you, Madam Chair, it's a good issue to be aware of you are believing in
[2:38:31] economic justice. >> If we can, if they could expunge more felony records
[2:38:37] and then also have policy changes that the Legislature to regulate those data brokers
[2:38:40] a little bit more. how you use felony records to exclude people from opportunities. I
[2:38:49] think we could and this is more arctic at the state level here. But we could actually
[2:38:54] makes rights for people who struggling. I appreciate that. And I'm just going to echo
[2:38:59] what I said for the county for the sheriff. >> that we that we would, you
[2:39:03] know, welcome a workshop just to talk about these kinds of things, you know, how work
[2:39:07] together on the enemy. Issues that we really do share working full forward to a
[2:39:15] workshop the county attorney's office and all these conditions. Madam Chairman, I
[2:39:24] move the next slide to we Maybe you okay colleagues lot to ask Do assess the that?
[2:39:33] >> All right. We can forward. >> Okay. So moving something that's really important to And
[2:39:43] we this board took some time to learn more about our child support program.
[2:39:48] >> And I appreciate that engagement. >> Because all for the I think
[2:39:55] during the pandemic period. >> And then coming out of that pandemic period, there were
[2:40:00] just a lot of challenges that we had big part of. It was our workforce. We have a small
[2:40:06] cohort of maybe 2 that we have to hire for the next. few months. But finally, we do
[2:40:13] feel like we're kind of fully staffed and one of our highest priorities in our office ad
[2:40:21] obviously for the child support program is to get this number to where it needs to be
[2:40:29] it has to be at 80% because that's the number that the federal government. Is
[2:40:35] expecting us in terms of the performance of. Our chance fr programs. No question. a
[2:40:41] county as all of you know, we have special challenges within just our own jurisdiction, a
[2:40:47] whole host of things all of you are aware Some of the demographic factors. But we
[2:40:52] have had a history of being over 80%. So our our child support program is for a
[2:40:58] focused on getting this number 8, 2 other ones to the number that needs to be. So I think
[2:41:05] one of the things that we're working on is reconfiguring some of the work flow working
[2:41:11] with partners at the court to get more court time. And so this has been a priority for
[2:41:17] the for the last 2 years. And we cntinue to work on that. But my hpe is by the time
[2:41:22] come here next year, we will have met that goal of 80% child support orders
[2:41:28] established. And know that we've spent a lot of time in the child's per program as
[2:41:35] part of the board workshop. So any questions on that? Thank you. And then so here's
[2:41:46] another one. That's this is historic. Think this is I think that performance
[2:41:50] measure, but it's that we've always reported to the board percent. And this is the adult
[2:41:59] criminal side of those who are offered or or who are get into a diversion program. Right. So
[2:42:06] across America, the average number of the range, I should say felony diversion is
[2:42:11] anywhere between 3% to about 16%. And the way that we were measuring it before was that
[2:42:19] we excluded like murder and some of those things that we would never, ever different.
[2:42:24] But now we've decided to include that because number one, I think that was a part
[2:42:29] of the discussions with the county manager's office. But more importantly, this is how
[2:42:35] all offices kind of look at that. They just take the the entire right toe our number
[2:42:42] for 2020 5 to 7%. And then if we could have gone back and added those numbers. But I
[2:42:48] think we. Didn't get that done before this power plant was a. Do. However, just the numbers
[2:42:56] that we had before, it was somewhere between 7 to 9%, even with the difference
[2:43:03] before. So our goal is to get to 10%. And that's always been in my mind, is that those are
[2:43:08] our previous calls under number. So we continue to work on that to to try to help
[2:43:15] people be eligible for a felony diversion. First felony diversion. We don't include
[2:43:24] violent offenses and we're focused smaller group of people. And then, of course,
[2:43:27] at the city level. Which channels and misdemeanors they will have. should have a much
[2:43:32] more expansive. List of things that get diverted. Any questions about that. But our
[2:43:39] goal is 10% >> you explain a little bit more about this just how can
[2:43:53] help I don't turn. And like one, maybe alternatives. >> So this would be like your
[2:43:57] typical diversion program. So it wouldn't be like a thing that we're doing like
[2:44:00] underused Justice program. We have a contract with Justice and they are the diversion
[2:44:08] provider for. The entire county. So that also includes city cases as well. So Saint
[2:44:16] Paul and all the city attorneys and Ramsey County will direct a justice point.
[2:44:22] And we do to a small number of our felony cases. >> And what that diversion
[2:44:28] program typically would tail would some form like a diversion agreement.
[2:44:36] >> To remain law-abiding, maybe work on the some of the things that are identified.
[2:44:39] And then they would. Check to see if all those things for completed if they were and the
[2:44:47] case would deemed to be successfully diverted >> and the case with that be
[2:44:52] dismissed. >> And this is also after a court has offered at or after
[2:45:01] it says court has offered a diversion or allow for the diversion.
[2:45:05] >> Well, the court hs like they will do like treatment court things like or they'll
[2:45:13] have like a resolution of the case that might seem like diversion like stay of
[2:45:22] adjudication. Somebody maybe pleading guilty to something, but they're agreeing remain
[2:45:27] well. and then the conviction would go away >> diversion is mostly done
[2:45:34] through the prosecutor's office across the country. And so we can do that.
[2:45:39] >> Before we charge somebody with a crime or we can do that after we charge somebody with
[2:45:44] a crime, most of our cases in the adult level are going to post charge because that's
[2:45:49] when most of the information that's necessary to make that decision is available to us.
[2:45:58] Okay? >> Yeah, thank you. Because I I asked the sheriff earlier
[2:46:02] today about just about how how we may be able to get our numbers down for the adults
[2:46:08] were are at the adult detention center. You know, so trying to follow a similar
[2:46:13] track of our windy to work to so. So I guess my my next question round how what are
[2:46:24] you doing to move from 7% to 10% and wise 10%. The goal? always heard that. I could
[2:46:32] have metropolitan level been jurisdiction level. >> That that's a good number
[2:46:38] to have. So just in my mind, I think that's good number that wish to do is be striving for.
[2:46:44] And so there's always things that we can be looking at it right now. I think a lot of
[2:46:47] our energy and time is spent some of the work that the next site that will get to a road
[2:46:55] that their star justice and the Justice division. >> But I feel like there's
[2:46:59] some promise there that could be brought into some of the cases involving younger
[2:47:02] people. And there's also things to think about just an eligibility and things of that
[2:47:09] sort another thing that I've been thinking about deeply and a lot to get to a place is
[2:47:16] there's 2 areas. So by the way, we have a data dashboard. So many of you guys can take a
[2:47:19] look at it. But you will see with the exception of the time we had a brief pandemic
[2:47:26] policy. Related to like what we charge around drugs right? Aside from those maybe 2 year
[2:47:38] period, right? You'll see that the number one crime is always going to be theft. And the
[2:47:43] second largest drivers going to be drugs like possession, right? So I would love to
[2:47:49] figure out a way think about not just I guess, receiving the case from the police and
[2:47:56] then charging the case out and then either diverting it or seeking some sort of modified
[2:48:06] sentence like a stay of adjudication or just to stand up for that conviction that if
[2:48:12] we could take that moment when the cases in our office to leverage whatever we have
[2:48:16] there. To ty to get the individual to uptake. It's something that we want them to
[2:48:22] up taken. And so I think that sometimes it may be the community has to be involved
[2:48:27] some aspect of it Think about just I guess that the of the day may be. You can all weigh
[2:48:34] in. But when we get a case involving drugs, what do we want to want the conviction?
[2:48:43] Or get the person to somehow figure out a way to. Find themselves to treatment or
[2:48:47] change their behavior. And whatever bad activity. You I think you I wanted to stop if
[2:48:56] it's that they're doing those things, right. So how do we get to that? So that's a
[2:49:01] question that I'm thinking about it. In the same time, theft is another one. That's a
[2:49:03] big driver of our caseload. So I'd love to figure out things to think about about how it
[2:49:09] may be divert more of those cases. Yeah. So I think there's things that you would
[2:49:15] want in that you to get their stuff back right yet Thank you for that. And I would say the
[2:49:22] latter, right? Because we just know like, you know what happened? The record does
[2:49:26] right for one's ability to >> make a living later on as well as the racial disparity
[2:49:33] is right. We just received a presentation rectify from the sheriff about the disparities
[2:49:37] and going into the jails. >> And we know that, you know, they're predominantly black
[2:49:41] and brown people and it's not. At some point it's like at the data is there and clear about
[2:49:52] economic realities of our black and brown communities. Yeah.
[2:49:57] >> so what I would say about the gender know what the sheriff said about the jail
[2:50:00] population. But I think some of you might recall we had a lot projects and we still do
[2:50:09] it out called the Pretrial Justice But we had a bail reform project right? Had the
[2:50:15] goal was to reduce the jail population. And focus some of those positive outcomes. And
[2:50:25] when it came out to was is that we would have some way to deflect people at the jail.
[2:50:30] But one thing that they the pandemic did I really believe is that it?
[2:50:36] >> So in some ways train the police not to bring every thing to the jail. And so.
[2:50:43] >> Every. We get a report. >> From >> our it department and our
[2:50:54] sheriff, they do a little. Deep dive into the data. They pull everybody that in our
[2:50:59] jail. And there's some things that were specifically looking for and Gloria staff then
[2:51:09] looks at like those factors. And then it's usually the numbers always like between 20
[2:51:13] and 20 maybe. And then te defense and the prosecution will look at those small
[2:51:22] cohort of people that possibly shouldn't be in the jail. From there like we look at that.
[2:51:30] but the conclusion usually is, is that? There's a re. There's a specific reason why they're
[2:51:36] they're there. And I would venture to say to that, like all of you would agree. What
[2:51:44] you look at all of the circumstances of why they're there. So we've been at this
[2:51:50] number of about 400 for quite some time. And I know that if we go higher than that, we're
[2:51:54] going to have issues at the jail. But I feel like the number that we have right now
[2:51:58] is probably. A good number. And so there are professionals. Defense
[2:52:04] attorneys. As well as prosecutors and judges to have a responsibility to determine
[2:52:11] and make sure that people who are in our still need to be there. So they will have.
[2:52:18] >> Periodic status updates. You know, so that debate just says, Sara, and they're
[2:52:23] forgotten. I think in Ramsey County, we do that particularly well. And so like
[2:52:30] like that information that we have that Gloria staff produces. I believe it's into
[2:52:34] the commissioners as well. Maybe it should be. And then you could take a look at lake
[2:52:41] with that smaller cohort is. And that's available to the defense and everybody then
[2:52:47] can. Folk hone in on that. But we had a formula by which we could figure just like we want
[2:52:54] to take a look at these kinds of factors right? So we are people are every day looking
[2:53:00] at who's entered jail in our adult jail right? And should they be there? It is. The
[2:53:06] defense attorney's job to seek a hearing if they think that they should. Be released right
[2:53:13] pending the resolution of their cases. And the judge can make a decision on that. So I
[2:53:18] just want just make sure that that was clear to that. I think that. I came to the
[2:53:21] conclusion. That what assumptions that we had. Before the pandemic. We're
[2:53:28] just longer true. And so we had this deflection program that we're releasing people.
[2:53:35] And I just couldn't support anymore. Because it was having a negative impact to public
[2:53:41] safety. >> And I think question is also like should this be
[2:53:48] ongoing, too? Because there have turnover rates law enforcement agencies as well.
[2:53:55] Right? Just what people retiring and or also just not entering into law enforcement.
[2:54:04] So are those practices still the same end? Is that still the same as what we work
[2:54:10] towards back So yes. And I'm going even Lee and the good Even a deeper conversation.
[2:54:17] I'd love engage with you more about this any of commission that let's talk more about
[2:54:22] this. >> I think maybe that question today might be.
[2:54:29] >> Maybe we need a little bit more clarity. For the police officers about what they're
[2:54:35] supposed to do when they have a situation because they might believe that the jail doesn't
[2:54:41] want them. believe that nothing is going to happen if they bring him to the jail and
[2:54:50] they don't necessarily have to go to the jail. Maybe it's a place that's a reception place
[2:54:53] for some. Thing can happen because through the day. It's not so much. I think it's the
[2:54:59] jail thing. It's would you just please stop doing what you're doing. How many times
[2:55:04] can you break businesses window right? And how do we get that bad behavior to
[2:55:10] staff? And Ido believe that there are. Things that can work because jails only going
[2:55:17] to be for a night or 2. property damage, crime like that. But that's I think where
[2:55:24] this town we struggle a little bit. And that's probably where some leadership is needed
[2:55:30] about trying to figure that piece of it out because if we don't. From a liveability
[2:55:35] perspective, my biggest concern is that people started leaving.
[2:55:39] >> So This is exactly what I of the sheriff when he talked about looking The the makeup
[2:55:53] of those who have been booked into the jail where tey are. 51% of blacks be in. Into the
[2:55:58] jails. Compared to 29% white, 96 percent, Asian and 3% Native American might. And so
[2:56:09] my questions to him were more around. What do we think with the data telling us people
[2:56:15] brought into the jails for for what type of crime? What is the scene? What would it take
[2:56:25] to to begin to get these numbers down? And, you know, was talking about that
[2:56:32] conversation the high numbers African Americans. You they've been Bali and because of
[2:56:39] addiction because of the use of mental illness or more egregious crime. You know,
[2:56:45] what is the data telling us? And then how can we use what you've done often is like
[2:56:51] bringing communities organization and to help providers and others to
[2:56:54] support the individual. So I mean, I come in the times people dressing you for
[2:57:00] because of illness of breaking a wind or, you know, whatever it may be happening. And We're
[2:57:08] going live to you. If there's any data that you have that is showing us what is showing up,
[2:57:16] is happening with in a jail system how you're responding to that. I think that data
[2:57:20] that you have about who should or jail is. >> And why they're into is
[2:57:25] correct. But I think the solution is it going to be found necessarily in the data?
[2:57:29] I think the solution is actually found with thinking about the North like the jail
[2:57:36] isn't after Lucia necessarily could be. But there's other things that we could be doing
[2:57:40] before the jail understanding the population. So I always say that like we should, you
[2:57:47] know, the up in times of the solutions are found within the communities that are most
[2:57:52] impacted and we should work with community to figure out ways that we can and address
[2:57:58] some of those underlying factor. So some of that data would be helpful in the
[2:58:00] context of. What are the offenses that are being brought to the jail. And then
[2:58:07] they? >> Is it I doing drug addiction, that is that mental
[2:58:14] health issues that are driving some of that cause a place like really going to ask that
[2:58:16] question again. >> And so getting some data about that. And then I think
[2:58:19] another big part of this, that. What I've learned. Is that if we can also use the
[2:58:26] time that people are in the jail wisely. And get them connected to community when
[2:58:34] they get out upon re-entry re-entry is not just for president. It can also be for
[2:58:38] a local jailed. If we do that really well. I just recently heard a stat then I've been
[2:58:43] thinking about this for like a year. But one of the best things that you could do, what
[2:58:48] I do with the recidivism I don't want to quote that it be inaccurate, but it was an
[2:58:53] amazing amount where if you just release people in pretrial get them successfully
[2:59:01] and enrolled in Medicaid. That in of itself will have a huge impact recidivism. So it's
[2:59:09] like thinking about those types of strategies also to adjust deflection from the
[2:59:14] jail. I mean, maybe there could be a jail diversion program or maybe there could
[2:59:19] be. >> Something that happens with the plice to bgin with with
[2:59:22] the bottom line is it just has to work and it's that easy. Coming up with these things.
[2:59:27] And then, you know, funding those things. But I think that's I mean, just looking at
[2:59:31] the thing about like the jail population who's in and who's out and racial beakdown. I
[2:59:38] don't think that gets us to a solution. I think what we need to do utilize creativity and
[2:59:43] bring more people to the table and figure out ways that we address
[2:59:50] >> I think that's true. I think race does matter do because they can be some vices
[2:59:53] that are happening when you have been stopped by the police officer is going to be
[2:59:58] some training that needs to be down with police officers. may be of there. I turned to have
[3:00:05] to as you stated, you know, I think my my point to get some data so that we can see. Why
[3:00:14] because maybe they don't need to be incarcerated. Make maybe need to go get some of the
[3:00:18] services. You know. And so, but you don't know that if we're not tracking or unable
[3:00:26] to see what's happening spaces. >> But I'm all for let's keep
[3:00:31] talking about I think try to figure out ways to change that would be a great star. That's
[3:00:36] for sure what you commissioner. I County manager.
[3:00:42] >> Thank you, Madam Chair. So I do think we've had many different pockets of
[3:00:48] conversation around different diversion ideas. And I think it's probably time nw post
[3:00:52] pandemic we've continued to ship our service delivery at some point. This is the
[3:00:57] challenge of the future of the county of service delivery with John's talking about is
[3:01:02] he's absolutely right. It's not jail problem. That's really how do we get services
[3:01:06] to residents at the timing and the place that we need them, whether it's, you know, I
[3:01:11] several of you. Another between partners have brought. How do we have a youth
[3:01:15] resource center? That's the right place for. used to get back to write and and also on
[3:01:22] the adult side means glory. And I just talked yesterday when we were talking about she
[3:01:25] gone to this meeting with public health, the police at Saint Paul, you know, where do
[3:01:31] people go at 4 in the morning? If you don't want to bring him to the jail? I mean,
[3:01:35] >> we have to really challenge ourselves as we are going to go through these hard.
[3:01:40] Budgetary times with all this pressure to continue to do transformation and transform
[3:01:46] ourselves. Ad that's going to force us to do our work very differently because we cannot
[3:01:49] do another round of we are in I'm a motive. We can just add on more and leave the old
[3:01:57] things the way they are. We have to be able to say we're not going to do that anymore
[3:02:03] and we're going re pivot those resources to in a different way because we're in a more of
[3:02:06] everything. A scarcity mindset trying that. Figure out what we're Clark County responsible
[3:02:13] are, but I would are getting most of this is Clark County responsible because at the end
[3:02:16] it will reduce all dependence. I all these really difficult things that we cannot fund any
[3:02:23] more like the funding for all those things like whether a child protection, other parts
[3:02:27] of the criminal justice system, the things that we have to do, the funding is
[3:02:30] going down for those so we might as well instead of fill those gaps, we might as try to
[3:02:35] less people in them. So we have more of the flexible research, you know. So it's a
[3:02:38] really it's a super big mindset shift. And it requires full. The leaders,
[3:02:44] policymakers, but also us thinking about our staffing, our buildings everything
[3:02:50] differently and it is so hard. I will just say even doing this.
[3:02:53] >> Like pivoting a more holistic services. You know, we've come a long way since
[3:02:57] the East building for floor. But even, you know, trying to get the service center set up
[3:03:04] in the right departments to share things. I mean, I'll tell the story again, you
[3:03:08] know, the the Cabinet of 8 departments going. These are my box of paper clips and
[3:03:12] these are your box of paper clips like we have to stop. You know what mean? And so
[3:03:16] these are it sounds a little It is a big mindset shift to be able to deliver county
[3:03:21] services in a way that is nimble and acessible to the count into residents and to
[3:03:27] our prtners and at the moment they need them. And doing it a little bit. you think that
[3:03:32] ISIS where we have a little pockets where we've changed the way we do things but they
[3:03:35] can't Let's just. We will keep doing our own things, but we will now find more money to do
[3:03:42] this. Like nice thing over here, know thing actually has to change. So I say that I'm
[3:03:48] also backs, but I think this is a very critical conversations on because you
[3:03:51] and I talked about use resource center for quite some time in the past. I mean, we
[3:03:56] don't we don't really have a trajectory of funds to do something like this. So we
[3:04:00] really are seen much the way we do stuff, we have to think about the everything we do
[3:04:07] differently. it's always that to do that. but evidence in it. I'm gonna let you finish.
[3:04:15] And then we're going to face with the question is. >> Yeah, I think this next
[3:04:19] slide. The is. Yes. Okay. So this is a commissioner. John, you were asking this dataset.
[3:04:30] So I think all of you know, the story about the imagine justice for youth began in
[3:04:34] 2018. >> And it's very much in line the value and the methods
[3:04:40] Ramsey County about bringing community the table. We tok that trip down the yellow
[3:04:46] Medicine County and UK is all part story of how that inspired us me brought that
[3:04:48] back. And we figured out a way. >> 2 of can. can figure how we
[3:04:56] think about. >> Making decisions. You know, the way that we thought about
[3:05:01] this was that, you know, the police to the investigations, state, get the type it up,
[3:05:07] give it to the prosecutor. Prosecutor determines whether or not a crime has been
[3:05:12] committed and whether or not we believe that we actually have the evidence to prove
[3:05:17] that a case that kid, reasonable doubt to a to a judge in the. Juvenile can
[3:05:22] take surgery and the and the in the adult contacts. And we did that over and over again.
[3:05:28] And if you just put aside murder and rape and smallest, the most violent offenses
[3:05:34] right? >> Oftentimes what would happen in terms of result of
[3:05:36] these cases is the exact same thing. Some period of probation community service
[3:05:41] restitution. They've been apology letter and the same thing over and over again. And
[3:05:46] we started having these really critical conversations with their community about is that
[3:05:50] actually working? Does it actually work to do that over and over again? And what we
[3:05:57] found was that going back 10 years? Is that the recidivism was really off the charts
[3:06:03] between 29. 35% of cases that repetitively and then we also learned about the racial
[3:06:09] disparities, how it got a lot worse people would come in over and over again. And just
[3:06:16] All of that. So that but started the journey where said that we would share our
[3:06:23] decision-making power of with the public defender. And somebody that would be
[3:06:28] representative of our community, especially the committee that has been most
[3:06:32] impacted by crime. And so we created collaborative review team for 8 and a big part of
[3:06:39] what we do in terms of making those decisions is the kind of a shared decision-making. So.
[3:06:49] The police when they go investigate something. They're not investigating. Like what
[3:06:55] are the underlying reasons for? That why this youth was acting out. Whatever those are
[3:07:01] kind of inappropriate questions that they would. It would be a part of the police
[3:07:04] report. But through this collaborative you team because we have these conversations,
[3:07:10] we can go out and seek that information because the public defenders are part of this
[3:07:14] decision-making process. It's very appropriate and very legal. And so through that, I
[3:07:17] think the quality. Of the decisions that we are making about what we should do it to
[3:07:24] respond to this behavior and to get the behavior to stop and to do right by the person
[3:07:29] that was harmed, quality of that has improved b the collaborative decision-making.
[3:07:36] we don't have the slides in here because that you guys have all read about it. But
[3:07:40] the University Florida just did a study. And the you know that like the 10 years when we
[3:07:47] launched in July. 21 and then the 3 years afterwards rated all of, you know, the data
[3:07:54] that very clear that like by doing the re imagined approach, utilizing
[3:07:59] restorative justice sharing of power. The decision-making. It was leading to a much better
[3:08:04] outcome recidivism. Maybe that's all in the public domain. You could look at that
[3:08:09] if anybody out there doesn't believe me. So we decided this is a new performance metric
[3:08:17] it's very much aligned with kind of how our method is. And Ramsey County above bring
[3:08:21] community to the table. So we wanted to counter get a percentage of like all the
[3:08:26] cases in our office. What percentage was there? Some the kid power sharing in the
[3:08:36] decision-making and what we do with responding to. misbehavior. And so you can
[3:08:44] these are the numbers that we kind of have formulated. And that number is increasing. And
[3:08:50] so we have a goal, 50% of all the cases in the youth division. Would be utilizing
[3:08:57] some frm of method like this. And so I think that goes to your question earlier.
[3:09:03] Commissioner Jean, you would also talked about the cases involving girls right. And
[3:09:10] thank you to the board for receiving doing the study that you think all of you received.
[3:09:19] And I think this this process, when there slightly higher percentage of cases involving
[3:09:25] girls that get the benefit of this type of process. So does that answer your question,
[3:09:31] commissioner, that you yeah, I asked you know, who are the partners or one of the
[3:09:36] services that have changed all of port because? >> the report it said that the
[3:09:42] girl felt like they were like specific help or that they weren't listened to.
[3:09:45] >> Thank you so much for that. question because this is read the next point that I want to
[3:09:49] get into. So when we share our power to make decisions, one of the things that people want
[3:09:56] and what we have all agreed on is that when we have more culturally secific or more
[3:10:05] may be gender specific programming because the decisions that we are making
[3:10:09] can be one of lake for things. One is refer back to parents with supports and services
[3:10:15] right? The second thing is community-based accountability, which is sort
[3:10:18] of justice in that bucket. We all of prtfolio diversion providers for restored of
[3:10:26] practitioners. I should say. Who could provide the services and each one has a very
[3:10:31] distinct way that they're gonna be able to help the specific certain type of.
[3:10:39] person with a different type of background. And I really think that's another big part
[3:10:42] of this Meeting the people that are going through the programming with the specific
[3:10:52] lens that's going to help them. I think it in the day chief, the accountability that
[3:10:57] needs to happen in the resolution of the case. to ensure that the behavior
[3:11:02] doesn't happen again. >> just last question why do you feel that or was that the
[3:11:13] girls may be more likely to expand share community power than boys or non gender
[3:11:17] conforming. >> You know, I don't know the answer to that is just that.
[3:11:21] The data which had to do to pull you hve any specific thought or idea. But I think
[3:11:27] that, you know, I I do. I do want speculate. >> Welcome
[3:11:39] >> to table. Please introduce I am the full for them. Direct of strategic initiatives and
[3:11:44] partnerships with the County Attorney's Office. Thank Commissioners.
[3:11:51] >> The so one So this includes encompasses this percentage encompasses when we're
[3:11:57] referring back to community either as your parents can, can handle this. So we're not
[3:12:01] going to petition or referring to a community-based provider or that community was involved
[3:12:09] in the process or our collaborative review team. So even if it ultimate decision
[3:12:12] is to petition, that went to collaborate you. We were showing up our community to
[3:12:16] that process. Now there are certain. all like our delinquent acts that are
[3:12:26] eligible for C A T so things like if there's a fire arm, it resulted death. it's like
[3:12:35] level 1, 2, assaults, s higher level more violent crimes. I think think the
[3:12:39] girls report. Support of this as well as as long as research into girls and delinquent much
[3:12:45] less likely to be violent crime. So they're more likely to be put into a position
[3:12:51] where they're eligible for CRT and for cmmunity programming. It's also important to note
[3:12:57] the data from the girls report. I think it went through the end of 2021, maybe
[3:13:04] and RJ. Why in this work started July of 2021. So that report is likely not
[3:13:09] reflecting experience girls going through our Jim. Why they would have previous
[3:13:14] diversion process. version process did not specific programming. Where is now? We
[3:13:19] do have programming that is really targeted to girls or >> gentle. Jen is one of our
[3:13:25] providers. We also has playing really that does a lot of girl orient of programming. And
[3:13:31] then we've also just greatly expanded. We've got 10 different providers and we can
[3:13:35] fall off and send you information about all of those contracts that have in place.
[3:13:38] Thank you so much. That's that's what I was looking Like the change comparing it to the
[3:13:44] report. Some thank But I think that report is very important. Thank you for actions that
[3:13:48] we'll take in relation to that. >> And then we are second to
[3:13:53] last slide it. So that's qualitatively that just an experience of somebody who is
[3:13:57] going through. >> programming. But just I mean, we have the data to
[3:14:02] prove, you know, like what we've been doing since July 2021, he's performing far
[3:14:06] better. Then what we did prior to 2021 and then also, too, I think it's important to think
[3:14:14] about the just feedback that you get from people that have gone through the programs I'm
[3:14:22] hearing vry, very positive things. And then. >> Lastly, you the county
[3:14:27] manager asked us to talk about the we kinda buckets. First of all, the expectations and
[3:14:35] strategies for improvement. One of the things that were delving really deep into its
[3:14:39] of going to be the theme. We have an annual meeting every year.
[3:14:44] >> For our office will be at the Badness Heights Community Center. And we get everybody
[3:14:49] in a row of one of the things that we're launching is kind of alignment around vision and
[3:14:56] values. course, part of that is the county's goals. But we have vision and values just
[3:15:02] within. >> The office were working workflows and improving
[3:15:07] standard operating procedures. And then one of the things that we are kind of top of
[3:15:15] mind is the reimagined justice for youth and the clever review team work that's been
[3:15:19] happening. >> That's been put together because some of the work here
[3:15:24] at this table here. But also mainly because of our ability to get grants and so at those.
[3:15:31] So we recognize that there's external things. But we're working very hard to try to
[3:15:35] figure out ways in which we can. Continue that. And so we do believe that there are
[3:15:41] opportunities to work with the Legislature to pass continue some of this funding and
[3:15:47] filled out that capacity. They have come to those great support for this of the
[3:15:52] foundation community. So I think that just because of the outcomes that we're will be
[3:15:57] able to figure something else. I'm very optimistic about that. And then, of
[3:16:01] opportunities for stronger collaboration. I think one of the things says we think about
[3:16:09] one big change that occurred at the Legislature. This is one thing as you all of you
[3:16:12] lobby, the legislature when they make these very fundamentally big changes. And
[3:16:22] we've got insist more. I think that they pay for them. You're And so one big issue is just
[3:16:30] know, just the change-up, jurisdiction for juvenile delinquents, a raise. He age.
[3:16:37] I think it it's a it's a fine an initiative. But there's just we need to find out some
[3:16:41] things. It said a lot of cases. I think it was about 50 for something like that. The
[3:16:48] last year, but one. So while you're going to get some various very the serious
[3:16:52] things that just someone needs to respond to. And I really think the small number of
[3:16:57] cases that we get most of them are somewhat serious. I think our county and my office is
[3:17:04] doing great job of collaborating and working to provide clarity to the people
[3:17:07] of the front lines like the police. So I know that they appreciate But just getting
[3:17:15] more support for this vision this one, Ramsey County, I couldn't say more about how
[3:17:22] important it is, especially for this population. We're talking about really young
[3:17:26] kids where the court and the funding that's associated with. Prosecution is that
[3:17:33] really no longer available or that intervention for the speak? Have a good judge say
[3:17:38] you need to do these things for now. It's kind of in the context o kind build out
[3:17:44] really, of voluntary. Or if they'll change the laws to make child protection there
[3:17:50] some ways to do that. But they're going we just have to think that through to make
[3:17:55] sure that we have the responses and services that are necessary to just support
[3:17:59] families to get to better outcomes. >> So stop there. So with
[3:18:05] that, going to have Commissioner Miller. >> try to end this beef by 3
[3:18:13] o'clock. It is t 34 point you probably answered only go to the and this I'm so sorry.
[3:18:25] >> Okay. Honor last. That's tied for the cases who share power with community. What is
[3:18:32] so with all that great stuff that's happening with When the grant funding ends in June,
[3:18:36] then what? How do we continue this work? So we're not losing momentum in the work already
[3:18:41] doing. >> Well, so thank you. And just think about were in 2026.
[3:18:50] Give me a heart attack. There like that the infant just expire. points with 7. So this
[3:18:57] is what we're doing. So one of the things is that under for the restart of justice
[3:19:06] contracts that we have at our office to provide. >> That long menu of very
[3:19:11] culturally specific restored of responses right? We were blessed to get $500,000 from
[3:19:22] R-Ky program that was started at that was like the largest grant in the state of
[3:19:24] Minnesota. Some of that money. I think it was like 5 million dollars. It was a big pot of
[3:19:33] money. A lot of it has gone unspent. Okay. So we are going try to lobby. For that money
[3:19:41] being returned to the general fund and somehow it's got to be put back into the grant
[3:19:47] program and then there's still some money that was appropriate last session. I
[3:19:50] believe. But it's just it's a smaller amount. So somehow I think the legislative solution
[3:19:55] is an important one. And then another part of the plan would be to talk with the foundation
[3:20:02] community to provide some of the bridge funding a well. I believe that in some ways to
[3:20:11] like it or youth justice division, we've been able to absorb some of the footwork as
[3:20:17] well. So as we move forward, you know, we're going to have like this camp. And so we are
[3:20:23] going to make that push up the legislature this year, too, make sure that first of all,
[3:20:27] we also have to apply for reapply for our grant funding. I don't know that. Look at
[3:20:33] $500,000. So that would be some of that. And then, of course, we Them not to just
[3:20:39] take back the money because other counties are other. People didn't apply for
[3:20:45] restart of Justice Grant because there's money on the table. OK? Thank you.
[3:20:50] >> that's something to that. Maybe mean I know your office says a lot of lobbying
[3:20:55] yourself, but may maybe that one Ramsey County could be a part of our platform as well.
[3:20:58] And however, we can help in those efforts for sure. great. >> I do have a question about
[3:21:05] the slide. Previous amend page. 46 about the percentage of adults who provided. needy
[3:21:13] during any information how many of the 7% that were successful that did not like
[3:21:19] commit crimes or he had completed their alternative to the felony conviction
[3:21:25] successfully. >> We do it or have a we get to you. But to tip of a
[3:21:29] diversion program performed very well. Yeah. And if you one day it be great to see how
[3:21:33] it performs against repetitive convictions. Yeah. that's what we did for the youth. Justice
[3:21:40] were kept. >> OK, that good. And then I'm not that fact 47, sorry. I
[3:21:47] Nicole mentioned the collaborative review who's a part of that collaborative
[3:21:53] review group Fort for the poor, the youth cases and >> how are you a part of that?
[3:21:57] Who's a part of it and how do become a part of that group? >> So the it's an arrangement
[3:22:03] where we have with the Ramsey County Public defender's to to cut a public defender is in
[3:22:10] the room when we jointly make a decision along with a contractor of this county
[3:22:17] attorneys office who goes through data practices training and all the things
[3:22:22] that you need to understand and know about our laws about confidentiality and privacy.
[3:22:29] But that is kind of comes through a leadership team process. That's right that we
[3:22:35] work with the community So that voice for that perspective intended to be one
[3:22:42] that represents the K in that aspect of community. This most impacted by crime.
[3:22:46] >> Thank you for that. I just a note to yur opportunities for stronger collaboration. I
[3:22:50] think that is a really great color. Really great specific performance measure to have on
[3:22:54] here in the last one. Just because we know something's working in the model that you
[3:22:59] have. How can w expand that to other areas of the county and maybe even outside of the
[3:23:03] EU area as well? >> Yeah, I think it's really exciting that I think in child
[3:23:09] protection they're having some conversations about this. Not all working with community as
[3:23:13] a part of from the de for the African Preservation Act in as a part of those deep
[3:23:23] conversations and conversations have kind of sprung up, maybe that there
[3:23:27] should be ways in which community could be involved in some of that decision-making.
[3:23:31] So I think that is pretty exciting. >> Yeah, I agree. Thank you.
[3:23:37] Thank you so much. Commissioner Miller and Thank yes and and my mind if ISIS
[3:23:44] and one percent. So apologize if I definitely to my papers. >> One of the things I wanted
[3:23:49] to bring up, this is on the it seems if some of these last couple of slides are really
[3:23:54] looking at the work of how do we make sure when behaviors or circumstances bring
[3:24:02] individuals into an interruption, how do we make sure we're giving the most
[3:24:05] positive constructive interruption, whether that services, whether that's
[3:24:08] mental health, substance use support. >> Whether that's you know,
[3:24:12] with kids, it's more holistic. Family supports. So I starting with with our use, one of the
[3:24:20] things I was going to ask is as we are getting better with the
[3:24:24] >> kind of filtering out with that community voice who who we are supporting through
[3:24:32] their families and making sure that those, you know, the families getting support that
[3:24:35] they need in the child can continue go down that route or whether they are assigned to
[3:24:41] refer to a community-based organization to help them with some more structured sense of
[3:24:45] what's next how my guess is that the complexity of some of those cases or the the what
[3:24:53] that child or that use needs to get to a more positive spaces is a little bit more
[3:24:58] complex because we're doing a better job only having those kind of levels of higher level
[3:25:02] of interventions reserve for that. What are we doing when it comes to? Seeing under that
[3:25:10] one Ramsey County goal to make sure that that we're not having either gaps or overlaps
[3:25:15] with other existing services throughout Greater Ramsey County. So that as grant
[3:25:20] dollars are limited as as different initiatives, kind of run their course and funding
[3:25:26] comes scares and we make sure we're utilizing perhaps programs and services already
[3:25:31] within Ramsey County tat aren't specifically having to be funded to the county
[3:25:33] attorney's office. I think that's a good. >> Piece of like entry point
[3:25:40] into a conversation to make sure that we're wasting money, right? That's important. But I
[3:25:49] think that they're the day it's about that outcome. And so we believe that we're
[3:25:51] getting that outcome because we're using shorter practices. It's not just about the joint
[3:25:56] decision-making as well. And so keep in mind when they're sober for a world that's made
[3:26:00] from law enforcement, there could be a victim. Right? So that's another part of all of
[3:26:05] this, too. And it's a part of a potentially kind like a case that we've already reviewed
[3:26:14] it. actually believe a crime has been committed. that every instance. Will there be
[3:26:19] victim, but in some cases, so will be. And so the cases that do come in, I mean, we have
[3:26:25] like auto theft cases. We'll some of the more serious ones who could have domestic abuse
[3:26:28] cases. And so there's an underlying conflict there that also needs to be addressed.
[3:26:37] And so our providers provide that for that. There is this. guess the uniqueness, guess.
[3:26:45] Because we're trying to get that person. To have empathy for the person that they
[3:26:50] harmed. And take accountability for that to right by the victim. So that
[3:26:57] has to happen as well. I don't know that that is a part of the goal of like a. Child
[3:27:04] protection responds, so to speak. Read. But I think relates to lake programming.
[3:27:09] There can be things to be thinking about except for the day that's the part of the
[3:27:15] solution to. >> I think I think my set up there was 2, 2 questions
[3:27:21] wrapped in one. So let me pursue my little bit. So the first the first part of that
[3:27:23] is because we do want to services around youth and in and families to best support,
[3:27:30] better outcomes. One just this just the idea of how how are we utilize existing Ramsey
[3:27:36] County resources for that? But then the second piece would be when we working with outside
[3:27:42] agencies who are helping with that restored peace. How are we continuing to re-evaluate
[3:27:48] expectations for those organizations? How that how the programs are actually
[3:27:53] doing that really delicate restored of work. And then how are we supporting those
[3:27:59] organizations and reimbursing them so that they can do that? With fidelity? So that would
[3:28:04] be that he said that separate from just making sure we're doing all that we can to give
[3:28:09] this use of a better next for a fresh start. >> Well, thanks for the latter
[3:28:13] part of, but sure that we properly provider that is really important piece of it.
[3:28:20] We just went through a R p process about a year ago for all of the providers. one of
[3:28:24] the things that we noticed was that the price? Of doing this work i increased rate. So we
[3:28:30] do need to properly pay them. But I think the we have a. >> Like we are so committed to
[3:28:40] data evaluation. mean, I'm sure are. One of the things that the providers are talking
[3:28:43] about is that we asking for too much data credit. but it's tipped measure there.
[3:28:49] Performer to now come into recidivism is one of the metrics has really critical to
[3:28:54] us. If you look at reimagined justice for you site and look at all, the few of including a
[3:29:00] big part of their analysis is on the recidivism question, right? And so those programs a
[3:29:09] 4% rate, which is really, really, really good in terms of recent of innings. So so we
[3:29:15] will always be looking for those metrics. And of course, we need to have. There's a
[3:29:22] there's just an aspect of contract management that I think our staff is very much
[3:29:24] engaged in to make sure that they're delivering on the things that they have promised
[3:29:29] us that state. >> And ten to shifting a little bit, too or adult
[3:29:34] population. One of the things that I think place us in such many ways is is one folks
[3:29:42] getting involved in our criminal justice system and finding ourselves in our in
[3:29:45] our jails or or big presence beyond is that we're not meeting needs for mental
[3:29:54] health substance, use other economic disparities, things that are happening ahead of
[3:29:57] time. Bt then once they are in our system, so many folks are are are not in the
[3:30:03] appropriate place or space for them to truly have a positive interaction and support. And I
[3:30:07] guess I guess a question or scan to ask is thank you one for the work in and county
[3:30:14] attorney side with working with her alternative courts to working with law enforcement
[3:30:18] to trying to fit, figure out more positive ways to to get to what what's really going to
[3:30:24] change some of these a community ultimately safer. But I'm wondering what are
[3:30:29] some of the sticking points in in that? I mean, I I was hearing one of lawyers who has
[3:30:36] been working on this. They dd a library education yesterday and talking about the
[3:30:42] bottleneck with some of our forensic navigators and getting people net, you know,
[3:30:46] placed into where they need to go and next steps and some other kind of things. And I'm
[3:30:49] just wondering if there's any that's of that puzzle that that that you can enlighten us
[3:30:55] on. That would help with with that. As a? >> Well, the most important
[3:31:01] questions said that kind of next. For for decades. This coast. And this goes back to
[3:31:10] 1970's. I mean, there's a report that I have in my office. He uses very
[3:31:15] inappropriate language. But it's talking about the same types of issues around mental
[3:31:22] health. I think got exacerbated greatly during pandemic period. But there's a
[3:31:29] great opportunity to try to figure something out this. I mean, we could be here for
[3:31:34] another hour to talk about this. But it is trying to figure that solution. Note
[3:31:39] about where do we appropriately pt place people and sometimes you can place
[3:31:46] from because we have a constitution that you have to voluntarily get them there or
[3:31:51] maybe the court can order them to do that. If they're a part of some sort of process. the
[3:31:58] whole, the whole system is a tough one to navigate. But I think that in Ramsey County,
[3:32:04] though, there is a lot of great work that's happening within the county and with the
[3:32:11] staff in my office and the collaboration with our providers.
[3:32:15] >> And I think we're trying to do the best that we can, but still, issue is such a big
[3:32:19] one. It delves into it. I think this is maybe something for the board to think about
[3:32:26] it. Delves into like thinking about it a very strategic way. How to maximize follow these
[3:32:32] financial disincentives and incentives and trying to figure out a way to find some
[3:32:38] savings and then do something. Locally probably entails of a lobbying effort that somehow
[3:32:47] figure a way to solve our own problems I've been around this for a long time. And I've come
[3:32:50] to the realization that when it comes to this issue, the state of Minnesota will not
[3:32:54] sell this for ourselves. And I think that the if local government or region can
[3:33:01] figure it out for themselves, were going to do better. So we have a lot of people who are
[3:33:06] thinking about this in your county manager spent a lot of time thinking about this. I
[3:33:11] judge to carry a sense but a lot of time thinking about this. But we haven't gotten a
[3:33:15] place where we have agreed and maybe. Pulling up the largest holder you could ever imagine
[3:33:21] up the mountain and none of us will be able to get that boulder up to the top of the
[3:33:26] mountain or cells. We have to do it all collectively and together. And so we've had
[3:33:32] some of those conversations. Community been a part of that commissioner. And I know you
[3:33:36] have Commissioner Jeff saying I do. You have expressed a lot of recent interest in this
[3:33:42] issue and you're asking questions about the money, which I think is where we need
[3:33:46] to go to try to figure out the into the into the distance. That the to get away to news.
[3:33:53] That is baby, a revenue stream to maybe pay for something moving forward. But that's
[3:33:59] >> we just we need everybody kind figured out how to get to a place where we decide t.
[3:34:04] >> Pick up that rock and pulled up the well in all to stand with the same same
[3:34:09] invitation. Ad I know that you and the sheriff's office and other folks have been
[3:34:13] working on this for quite a long time. >> And that there are folks
[3:34:18] statewide who been working on. This is county commissioner levels. Well, with a lot of
[3:34:21] the subsurface association. So pink open invitation to continue these conversations
[3:34:25] and see if tere is a legislative alignment that concert the lease leaned up
[3:34:32] against that folders, a tryst about the Hill. >> County manager of yeah.
[3:34:36] Thank you, Madam Chair. I wanted answer Commission our Commissioner Miller's question
[3:34:42] about the ongoing funding for some of this work for youth. I appreciated you chose these
[3:34:45] measures because we're trying that kind of the budget investments to the measures.
[3:34:52] so within the 26 27 budget, the board actually approved $269,000 for youth and adult
[3:35:00] services. So cases can be diverted from traditional legal system and resolved in
[3:35:04] the community. And then there was another additional $114,000, both in 26 27 for
[3:35:11] the restart of outreach and support coordinator to continue to engage parents and
[3:35:17] people have been harmed as part of your imagine justice youth work so you know, I
[3:35:20] think we had a lot of conversation about you wanting to continue that work. And we
[3:35:25] did make ongoing investments both those areas that are being called out i your
[3:35:30] measures. So I just want to make sure the board were making that connection itself.
[3:35:36] Commissioner, Thank you. Madam as we've been saying this. >> Work begin stand for hours.
[3:35:42] Just talking about all the importance of this work and what what we all love to
[3:35:49] happen with it. And I'm up for me not right now, but I really want to have workshop so we
[3:35:53] can all you can keep discussing this because I really appreciate your now. G
[3:35:58] of moving a boulder up the Hill, maximizing incentives minimizing disincentives, you
[3:36:04] know, all the work we have to do, getting our legislature to pay for their. There are
[3:36:08] mandates the things that they change in law that that put work that on all of us and
[3:36:13] getting them to pay for that. It's an ongoing effort by all of us. And I really appreciate
[3:36:18] county manager and all of County Attorney Choi, a vote. You know, we just can't keep
[3:36:25] doing the things we've been doing in the way that we've been doing pay for it. And so
[3:36:29] we do want to rethink how we're doing all of these things. And I think I mean, I
[3:36:34] personally am a port. I think the school board would love to have these conversations and
[3:36:37] I'm looking forward to that and how we really reimagined power doing the work that our
[3:36:44] residents really need. I'm going to save all of my comments in question for that
[3:36:49] opportunity. Madam Cair, think think you but I just got to say thanks to the county
[3:36:54] attorney for all your work. You do go to the Legislature for grants for funding. We
[3:36:59] appreciate that. You do think about things early on in the early intervention prevention.
[3:37:03] I know you've done that. You're whole life and I'm glad that you're with the county
[3:37:08] working on that in your department with all that here, giving that incentive to all
[3:37:12] of your. >> Your your all of your work or, you know all of your
[3:37:16] staff. So thank you. Thank you for your partnership. Thank you, Commissioner.
[3:37:22] >> question just ging to make a statement because if you have been a leader in a
[3:37:27] champion in this area, I there's I have saving all my list of the
[3:37:40] >> There's a quote that I won this year. It came from The Star a few years back to say
[3:37:45] yes. >> Ramsey County attorney John Shore provides blueprint for
[3:37:50] progressive. Prosecution. And that is the view. Because it's hard for others to re. Imagine
[3:38:05] what justice looks Right? Without think that we've got to be crime. Tough own craft
[3:38:10] crime. We gotta lock them up. Prosecute. And we're going to get different solution, right?
[3:38:14] going to make everything so much safer. And you as an elected official over
[3:38:20] department, government have come in and transform prosecution prosecutor looks
[3:38:27] can look like if you have taken some heat around the state. around this country
[3:38:34] when your positions of how you see doing this work and so you know, want to say thank you
[3:38:42] for your work. Thank you for your leadership and give an example of what I mean when
[3:38:49] about what transformation looks like, for example, looking at a traffic stop,
[3:38:55] right? We talked open up with the sheriff about why is those numbers so high? All right.
[3:39:00] What are we seeing? population from the black community? Who are being in? at a high number
[3:39:07] others. And so I'm just going to read this what you say looking at Trump traffic
[3:39:16] stops, no charges for low-level traffic stops. And stay it. warning letter. All
[3:39:27] right, with details about available financial assistance programs for repairs of
[3:39:32] equipment foundation like a broken headlight. People getting stop sent to jail
[3:39:38] something like that is like stop it. You know, we can do this and we can do this
[3:39:42] differently right? And save some dollars. Say something that this this state, the
[3:39:46] county, some Dolly's by looking at how we need a solution to the forefront. So
[3:39:52] I just want to say, you know, you have really been you that that holistic process, a
[3:39:58] comprehensive process, evidence-based practices. >> You know, looking at store
[3:40:01] justice. The work that you've down with ABC partnership with the Sheriff's office, we have
[3:40:10] to create stronger partnerships. This is not something you can do bag
[3:40:12] itself. You need to show office. You need this county board, uni other parties that
[3:40:17] the legislature and I have seen you do your work legislatively to bring those
[3:40:24] unlikely partners together to create the change and moving direction to have been helpful
[3:40:28] for. Are you f-ing communities here Ramsey County and I was safe to be a model for others
[3:40:35] to look at how we can solve the problems and issues. Around justice, criminal
[3:40:40] behavior. I saw that we lead and prevention intervention to partnering with
[3:40:52] community-based organization believe second chances in support of youth through
[3:40:56] therapy unit, intensive care, housing for you. That is going to be coming online. Hopefully
[3:41:01] if do, the journey has been long, but we do believe that it is. way that we can work.
[3:41:10] support our young people. I want to do a quote that came from that I believe
[3:41:15] wholeheartedly wealth and use the act. Do my work to type of myself. When I ex the early
[3:41:25] led to here, it's like how can we keep those numbers down in our criminal justice system?
[3:41:33] You know, I was asked Cal nice to force and I want to that. He said we have to invest in
[3:41:37] our youth. Our young people. And as the court to say, easier to build strong
[3:41:42] children in to repair broken me in. It's easy to sheriffs at that. Well, that's the
[3:41:54] court this Incumbent take a her came from Frank was lit time. But I wrote to rel the
[3:41:58] Leadership Council said all the time. Yeah, but it is so true. It is easier to strong
[3:42:02] 200 and it is to repair board and the UN. >> Right. So we have to pay
[3:42:08] attention to that. So the work that you do or our youth whole family up wrote.
[3:42:12] >> I think it's a model that has been known do that can be that UK to over and over
[3:42:17] again. So I just want to thank you for your time here for your leadership and for your
[3:42:20] partnership and safer communities to a process that is innovative. Where he
[3:42:30] stepped into it and you lean into it and you transform system. So just want to say
[3:42:34] thank you. Good morning. In the 4 to I continue worked manager you are going way too
[3:42:47] long. You're making me really but know I know where it's coming from. It's coming
[3:42:51] through personal experience. I just really appreciate those
[3:42:53] really, really kind words. But >> truly and I really mean this. None of this happens,
[3:42:59] less we all pull together same direction. And that's something that we do very,
[3:43:03] very well in Ramsey County back in center didn't feel that between the
[3:43:09] commissioners, how you interact with one another. How we think about.
[3:43:11] >> cheating. The goals that want to achieve. I really like the way that this board is
[3:43:16] also interacting with the other elected officials. Sure, were just doing a lot more
[3:43:22] things We really are. And so. >> Let's continue bolster each other up, work together,
[3:43:29] pulling the same direction look for those big boulders. And I also be remiss if I did
[3:43:36] call Mike great leaders and staff my office. I also failed to mention the great work of
[3:43:41] our Civil Division and Jada Lewis. But they have done a tremendous job of representing
[3:43:48] the county just many of you interact with her. But it's all a team effort and I am
[3:43:53] very blessed t be with you in service to our public. >> Thank you. Thank you being
[3:44:01] here come forward. So while we close out remarks from are safe and Justice service teen
[3:44:09] beat. >> And you no, I don't have those remarks, but thank you
[3:44:13] so And I think this was very informative. We've come a long way. There's so much more work
[3:44:18] to do so. Thank you for your time. This into form as measures. Great questions. We
[3:44:25] will get back to you on those questions that we could not answer today. With us. thank
[3:44:28] you. Thank you. So we want to thank you. I would say a former thank you to the
[3:44:36] justices just a service team for wrapping up the series of presentations on performance
[3:44:40] measures. >> Big know of gratitude to these departments for the work
[3:44:43] they do every day to keep residents safe. Advance equity and promote justice in our
[3:44:49] community. Ramsey County continues to be leaders in justice transformation. Thanks
[3:44:53] in large part to the dedication, the creativity and hard work of this team. The
[3:44:58] focus for upcoming meetings would be the 2027 supplemental Budget. Our first public
[3:45:07] hearing on the 2027 supplement and budget would be today. Well, back here at 5 o'clock.
[3:45:15] Here at Saint Paul City Hall right here in NEWSROOM. You can sign up for comments to
[3:45:20] the public. You can sign of sign-up to come with the chief clerk calling 6, 5, 1, 2 to 6.
[3:45:30] 2, 6, 6, 9200. Public. If you want to make a comment, you can sign up with the chief
[3:45:38] clerk by calling 6, 5, 1, 2, 6, 6, 90, 200 for me email. The chief clerk at Ramsey
[3:45:47] County that us that's the chief clerk at Ramsey County that U.S.. Or you can sign up
[3:45:54] at the meeting. Just show up. would be here at the board meeting on Tuesday, September
[3:46:02] 22nd to bore with it. The 2027 maximum property tax levy. The final public hearing on the
[3:46:08] proposed 20 20th Supplemental budget would be on December. The 3rd at. 6 o'clock. would
[3:46:14] go from 6 o'clock. This the final public hearing prior. So the board action on the
[3:46:20] budget. Finau here hearing the final public hearing is on. I December 3rd, the first public
[3:46:29] hearing is today at 5 o'clock. The board will vote on a final budget in the living increase,
[3:46:35] doing a budget meeting on December 15 and for schedule of upcoming meetings is posted
[3:46:42] on the budget and finance faith. Ramsey County website. I want to thank you all for
[3:46:48] being to thank the public for tuning in. I want to thank the public for within that you
[3:46:53] bring to county governments in the support we're looking forward to hear from you this
[3:46:59] evening. 5 o'clock. Thank you all for being here. See you back. A fact. We are now
[3:47:04] adjourn.