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[clears throat]

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Remind everybody about their
microphones.

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» Microphones.
Hello.

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Hello.
Can you hear me?

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» Yep, I can hear you.

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Go

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morning. Call the PR County meeting to
order. Start off the pledge, please.

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To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it

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stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all. [clears throat and cough]

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» Good morning everybody. Um, first thing
on the agenda is approval of the

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minutes.

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» [snorts]

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» So, we got a motion. We got a second
um with the changes. All those in favor

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by saying I
>> I oppose same sign. Motion carries.

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Approval of the bills.

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Everybody get a chance to look at the
stuff that Candy sent out.

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You have any questions? Candy can
probably answer them. It looks a lot

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different than normal,

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but
I'm looking at them. But there was one

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There was one that said sell and land.
What was that?

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I'm trying to find it here. There was
two of them. I think Stension had one

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and I think emergency management had
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» Cell and landform landline.
>> Well, that's that is

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I believe that's what that stands for.
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I don't find it right in front of me,
but I saw two of them

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cuz both of those would have that.
Correct.

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» Okay, good with that.
>> Yeah, it's cell phone and landline.

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» I knew what to sell, but I wasn't sure
about.

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Make a motion to pay the bills.
>> Second.

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» We have a motion. We have a second. Any
other discussion? Hearing none. Roll

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call, please.
>> His hi.

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» Fitz.
>> Hi.

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» Brown.
>> Hi.

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» Conf.
>> Hi.

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» Motion carries.
Approval of treasure checks.

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» Move to approve.
>> Second.

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» We have a motion. We have a second.

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All those. Oh, sorry. Broke call. Please

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» hold.
>> Hi.

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» Ruth.
>> Hi.

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» Brown.
>> Hi.

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» Hulk.
>> Hi.

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» Motion carries.
Approval. Approve of financials.

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[clears throat]

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It is now the liability report. Correct.
On that.

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» Yes. So that you guys see that the
report shows for financials. Now it's

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called a liability report just so that
you're aware.

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» Everything's all right, Candy?
>> Yep. We're still

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we're still working,
but it's it's coming there.

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Move to approve.
>> Second.

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» We have a motion. We have a second for
the approval of financials. All in favor

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by saying I.
>> I.

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» I. Those opposed. Same sign.
Approval of the agenda that is presented

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to us.

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Anybody have anything to add to the
agenda?

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» To approve. We have a motion.
>> Second.

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» We have a second. All those in favor by
saying I.

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» I.
>> All oppose. Same sign.

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Sarah.
>> Make sure [clears throat] the mic's on,

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please. Thank you.
>> Good morning. [clears throat]

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» Good morning, Sarah.
>> I have a couple updates to share with

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you today. Uh, first week will begin
October 4th through the 10th, and we'll

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be kicking off the week with our annual
pancake breakfast. This year we are

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changing things up a little bit. We're
moving out to the Ramsey County

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Fairgrounds where we'll be utilizing the
4H Hall in the Western State Bank Event

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Center. Our new addition this year. Yes.
>> You're going to do the pancake stuff. I

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want to make sure. So I put this on.
>> Yes. Pancake breakfast will be out.

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Actually, I do have a um
>> If I could get that flyer.

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» Yes. Here I have a flyer.
>> Sorry.

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» If you would like to take a flyer,
please help us spread the word because

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it is a big change. and we've we this is
the first time we're going to try it out

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at the 4 hall.

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» Thank you. Yes.
Also, our uh 4ers will be doing a a bake

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sale along with it to help raise funds
for future service learning projects

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throughout the 4 year.
And pancake breakfast tickets can be

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purchased from any Ramsey County 4
member at the extension office here in

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Ramsey County or at the door that
morning. So, uh, we do have a a

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complimentary ticket for each of you.
So, we hope you'll be able to join us.

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If you can't use it, please give it to
somebody else and, um,

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we'll we'd love to have everybody there.
Uh, along with it, the Ramsey County

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Fair Board is also planning some fun
activities, so there will be plenty to

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enjoy out there that day. We'd love to
see you come out and spend the morning

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with us. And again, that's Sunday,
October 4th from 8:30 to 12:30 at the

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Ramsey County Fairgrounds.

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Um, and then my second update is
regarding the 2027,

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it's hard to hard to believe I'm already
saying that, lake region extension

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roundup, which is quickly approaching
this year. The event will be held

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January 6th and 7th. We'll be uh
utilizing the memorial building, Armory,

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and the meeting rooms at the Ramsey
County Courthouse. Our planning

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committee's been working hard already to
line up speakers and main sessions,

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breakout sessions,
and I'm here today to ask for the

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commission's permission, if possible, to
have the doors open between the

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buildings as well as the courthouse
basement doors within the stairwell

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during the event. Having those doors
accessible would greatly improve

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participants [snorts] ability just to
move um in between locations, navigate

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the event much easier. So, um, just
wanted to kind of ask in advance before

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we start advertising. Uh,
>> which day again?

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» It's January 6th and 7th.

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» Make a motion to go ahead and approve
the doors.

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» Second.

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» Have a motion. We have a second. All
those in favor by saying I.

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» I. Oppos? Same sign. [clears throat]
carries.

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» Not. Yeah. And that's all I have today
is if anybody has any questions for me

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before
>> anybody have anything for Sarah before

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she splits.

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» Absolutely.

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» Yes. Absolutely.

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» Thank you, Sarah.
>> Yes. You're welcome. Thank you,

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» Bev. Up to you.
>> Good morning.

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» Morning, Bev.
>> I just wanted to give you an update on

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our remote indexing. We are on schedule
to finish up everything this uh fall. Um

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it'll probably be towards the end of
October or the beginning of November

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when we're done. Um we did run into an
issue when uh some of the pages were

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scanned in. There was a little over a
100 pages that were scanned in that

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actually had three documents on it
instead of one. So, we had to take and

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split them. That meant that we had going
to have a little overrun of the $30,000

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this year. There is should be enough in
our end account to cover that. I'm

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anticipating around $1,000.
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wanted to make you guys aware of that.
>> And this should be complete of all our

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indexing after this.
>> Correct. Right.

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» We will be indexed back to 1882.
>> Right now we're at 1894

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» and that that brings us all the way to
current also. Correct.

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» Correct. [clears throat]
>> Yes. So I just wanted to make sure that

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you guys knew that there's going to be a
little bit of a overrun, but our endrin

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fund should cover all that.
>> Is there any other questions for be on

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the indexing?

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hearing. I don't
>> I don't think there will be an issue.

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» No, I don't think so either. So,
>> thank you Katie for us.

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» I will do that.
>> It'll be nice to have that all all

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completed.
>> Yeah, I've heard good responses back

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from some of the people that have been
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» All of this is protected on the server,
right?

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» Correct.
>> It's on a backup. So, we

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» It's backed up on our system and it's
also backed up on end. Okay. All right.

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[clears throat]
>> Double backup.

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» Thank you. Okay.
>> Anybody else have any questions?

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Moving on to
water,

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please.
[clears throat and cough]

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» [snorts]

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» Yep. Go ahead.
>> Good morning.

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» Morning.
>> We're just finishing up our monthly

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board meeting. Not a lot to report.
Mr. Hall gave us an update on Fster

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Slooh appeal and I don't I plan on
trying to attend. I don't know if any

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other board members are going to but we
will do our best. [clears throat]

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Uh Mr. Hall, I don't know if you've
taken and addressed the certificate of

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indebtedness to the county yet or the
commissioners, but he basically without

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putting words in his mouth, is not
recommending that the county do this for

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and he can explain that to you for his
reasons. So, the board decided to go

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with financing options from a different
lender so we don't have to deal with

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that.
And we had water one water complaint

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that there'll be some upsized culverts
between county 9 and highway 17. The

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study came back and the recommendation
was 248

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in nope in uh south and nine basically
by Hermanson IT. So, Prospect Township

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will be contacting you for pipes.
>> And they are currently what?

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» They're currently 124 and 136.
>> And they're saying 248.

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» 248s or an additional 48, but the
complaintant asked to have fewer pipes

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and just put two in instead of having
three because uh dirt work might have

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been done to make them fit. So, it'll
just be better off.

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Other than that, we got our audit
findings back and it was a clean audit

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with just the standard two
recommendations for segregation of

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duties and the preparation of the audit
because it's only one person taking and

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giving him information
and other than that it was pretty quiet

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morning. So, any questions for me?
>> Anybody have any questions for John?

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» Hearing none. Thanks, John.
>> All right. Thank you.

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Moving on to Terry Hunt. [clears throat]
Nicole will be online. Can you hear us?

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Nicole,

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» are you there? Nicole.

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» All right. Good morning, everybody.
Carrie Hunt from Blue Cross and Blue

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Shield. Nice to see everybody. Um, I
think Candi probably gave you some of

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the documents. Um what I'm here today is
to kind of go over um to let you guys

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know that the uh the current plan that
the the employees have at Ramsey County

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um is what we call a grandfathered
classic blue plan. And um Blue Cross and

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Blue Shield um once healthcare reform
was passed back in 2010. Um we were one

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of the only carriers that allowed folks
to continue with plans that were pre um

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ACA, which is the Affordable Care Act.
Um and so we have held on to these plans

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for the last um well 16 years and um
they have differed from our other plans

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that they um no changes were ever going
to be made to these plans. They were

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literally what they were called
grandfathered and whatever benefits that

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they had. Um they didn't necessarily
meet all the requirements of the

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Affordable Care Act. Um well finally now
in 2027 Blue Cross and Blue Shield has

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decided to retire all of the
grandfathered plans. So, we will be

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discontinuing the classic blue
grandfathered plan and we are looking at

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moving the employees to what we are
calling a your blue um either a 9500 or

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an 8500. And what the difference is with
those plans by eliminating the

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grandfather plans, they do not contain a
lot of the preventative benefits that

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the ACA kind of recommends that uh plans
have. And with the traditional plan that

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they have right now, they they have a
deductible that is going to apply to

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some of their major services, uh,
hospital stays, lab work, x-rays, MRIs,

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those sorts of things. They'll be
responsible for the first $250.

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And then they're going to pay a co-
insurance of 10%

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of things like um, office visits and
chiropractic and um, anything after

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their deductible is met on a hospital
stay, they're going to pay that.

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» I got a question. You're talking 250.
That's every time they go.

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» Nope. The $2 $250 deductible is if they
have like a hospital stay, they're going

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to pay the first $ 250 and then once
that deductible is met, then they pay co

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insurance.
>> Make sure that because when you say 250,

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if we don't have that that it's once
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» Absolutely. Yep. Yep. So once they and
then they have co-pays. So every time

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somebody would go to the doctor, go to
the chiropractor, they would pay and get

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medications, they're paying a co-pay.
And the one thing about the grandfather

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plans that is different than the new
plans, every time somebody would pay a

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co-pay, that did not go to their out-of-
pocket maximum. So you could have

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somebody, for example, if they went to
the doctor 10 times or the chiropractor

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10 times in a year, that would be $250
that they paid that was not applying to

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their out-of- pocket maximum. They paid
that to the provider. On these new

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plans, on the non-grandfather plans,
every penny that somebody pays is going

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to their out of pocket. So on this your
blue I put in the packet either an 8020

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plan or a 9010 plan and in talking to
Nicole and Candy we were kind of looking

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more to that 8020. So the your blue 500
8020 it's a very traditional plan. Again

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people are used to paying 20% co
insurance when they go in and have

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services done. It moves it from a $250
deductible to a 500, which again is only

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going to apply for somebody if they end
up in the hospital, have lab work,

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x-rays, um, MRIs, surgery, then they're
responsible for that $500.

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If they are just purely going in to the
doctor, they have an office visit or

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they're going to the chiropractor, they
are going to pay a flat $30 co-pay, but

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that goes towards their out-of- pocket
maximum. They don't pay any more co

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insurance. They just pay the $30 uh
co-pay. If they end up in the hospital,

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they are going to pay 20% of that visit
again. And that's going to go to their

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out- of-pocket maximum. So, when we look
at it, the the current plan they have

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has out-ofpocket for medical and it has
out-of pocket for pharmacy. So, if

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people are going in to get medications,
they have a separate co insurance, which

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is not the deductible, it's a co-
insurance. they would pay a $15 co-pay

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and then 20% of their medication and
they'd have a maximum of $1,000 they

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paid on on medication. So for a family
of four, for example, um on the current

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plan that they have right now, they
would have the deductible of a family

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would be $500. One person would never
meet more than that $ 250. They would

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have co- insurance on medical of $2,000.
So just on medical they would have

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$2,500 out of pocket and then each
member would have a $1,000 maximum on

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med on medications. So really that
family could be looking at about $6,500

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of out of pocket. And again remember
none of the co-pays that that family

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paid was going to that out-of- pocket
maximum. Okay. On the new plans again

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they would be looking at a $500
deductible.

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They would be looking at on the single
plan then $3,000 would be your maximum

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out of pocket. So we're going to have
$2,500 out of pocket of the co

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insurance, but that's going to include
their medication, their medical,

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everything is going to cap them out at
$3,000 for a single. A family would be

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looking at $6,000 max out of pocket.
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than that single out of pocket.
Now, on top of moving to this your blue

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plan, some of the benefits that the
employees are going to see, they are

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going to get all of the preventative
benefits that go along with the ACA. We

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are now going to see mammograms and paps
for women paid at 100%. And there is no

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limit on that. So, honestly, if a female
wanted to have multiple mammograms in a

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year, she can do that paid at 100% by
the plan. Colonoscopies. Again, we used

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to have a limit of one every 10 years.
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again, if there's no family history and
they haven't doctored for anything

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related to the stomach or the colon,
they are entitled to a a colonoscopy

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paid at 100%. Those are things you did
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So the preventative benefits are going
to align this plan with the market and

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no providers have to worry about are
things covered, are they not covered?

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And the other benefit that you're people
are going to see is with this plan, they

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get what's called the valuebased drug
list. So for anybody on this plan that

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is a diabetic, if they have any issues
with blood pressure, cholesterol, um

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inhalers, any of that is now going to
cost those people only a $5 co-pay for

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every 30 days that they get that
medication filled. In the current plan,

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if you have a diabetic, they're paying a
$15 co-pay and then 20% of that insulin.

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So going forward on the new plan, a
diabetic literally could probably spend

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$60 a year on their insulin, max, $5 for
every 30 days they fill it. So the

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benefits that are added into these new
non-grandfather plans um far far out

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anything that would be any difference in
the out of pocket that folks are going

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to see. Um so that's on the medical
plan. Um, but we were looking at again

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moving to the $500 deductible, either
the 8020 or the 9010. The difference

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literally is just going to be the amount
of co insurance that people have to pay.

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So the 10% or the 20%, people are going
to get to their out of pocket max faster

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if you go with the 8020 because they're
paying 20% um instead of 10%. So, um the

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difference if you went with the 8020
does lower your um cost uh for the

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Ramsey County just because the amen has
to pay a little bit more before um

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anything kicks in. So, that would be um
on that what we're looking at for

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medical would be roughly around a 6.7%
increase in your suggested funding level

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if you wanted to do that. Um, in
speaking with Candy and I've been part

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of Ramsey Countyy's health plan for the
18 years that I've been at Blue Cross

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and Blue Shield and um, I think the fund
is pretty flush. So, it's really we give

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you a suggestion on on on a percentage,
but that's purely up to the

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commissioners and you guys to decide if
you want to increase what you're funding

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um, or not. Again, you're going to be
paying claims every week and then you'll

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be paying a flat stop-loss um, premium
once a month. So that that's completely

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up to you if you want to uh increase
what you guys are are funding. Um again,

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whatever money is in that pot is your
money. Blue Cross does not get that

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unless you have claims. Um the other
thing that I put in the packet for you

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guys to take a look at is um on the
dental plan. In talking to Nicole and

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Candy, um we're presenting this year an
enhanced uh dental plan. Uh let's face

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it, as as the years go by, uh dental
work does not get any less expensive. It

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gets more expensive. And the one that we
are presenting to you um would be

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increasing your annual maximum benefit
from $1,000 to $1,500

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and then adding orthodontic coverage um
of $2,000 lifetime. Now, the one nice

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thing about our dental plans with the
orthodontia is it's for both adults and

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for children. So, if adults wanted to do
Invisalign or if adults wanted to do

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anything um with actual braces, they
have that ability to do that $1,500. The

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nice thing about increasing that annual
maximum is um from $1,000 is if people

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have any major work done, crowns, root
canals, um they're going to have their

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dollars going to go farther. All of the
preventative services that can be done

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on the dental plan, you get four
cleanings a year. None of that is going

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to be deducted from that $1,500. So, you
can still go in for your four cleanings

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and still have that $1,500 to use on
dental work. So, the nice thing about

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Dental Envision with the arrangement
that you guys have as being self-funded

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is you're only paying for claims when
they are when they come through. you're

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not paying premiums to Blue Cross and
and then if people aren't using it,

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they're not, you know, your your money
that you're putting in your in your fund

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is paying premiums or uh claims when
they come through. And again, there's a

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maximum of what people can use. So, um
it's not like the medical where it's

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unlimited. Um it would literally be um
tap. So, we're showing you that um with

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the dental um it could look at again
depending on where the the fund is for

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the dental and vision. um by increasing
the maximum it would be increasing the

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dental roughly around 34%. But again,
remember those dental premiums are a lot

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lower than than the health premium. So
again, uh you already have a pretty good

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um dollar amount that you're putting in
for dental. So it really doesn't you

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wouldn't have to increase it um
significantly on that um if you didn't

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want to. And then the last thing is on
the vision. Uh no changes to the vision.

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Uh we still do have an issue here in
Devil's Lake where none of the providers

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uh that accept that do vision accept any
buddies uh vision insurance. However,

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with VSSP, who we have contracted with,
they will allow people if they want to

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have services done here in Devil's Lake
to keep the business local, um they just

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have to call VSP ahead of time before
they have their appointment, let them

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know that there's no providers in their
town that accept VSSP and they will

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process that claim at the in network uh
level so that people get the biggest

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bang for their buck. if people choose to
go out of town to have their vision

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services done, um as long as they're
picking a VSSP provider, um and there's

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plenty of them, um Devil's Lake just
happens to be a pocket in North Dakota

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that doesn't have any providers. So, um
there shouldn't be any issues. And then

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back to the dental, sorry, uh all the
providers in Devil's Lake take uh the

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UCD dental. So, no issues with that.
Any questions for me on any of that?

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Does the [clears throat]

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I get the right tapes.

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Does the 85th 500 does that cover have
any coverage for GLPs?

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» Yeah. So, actually what we did is since
the grandfather plan did not have the

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ability to cover GLP1s for weight loss,
um the the quote for this year because

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you guys have never had GLP-1 coverage
for weight loss. There was no rate

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impact to add GLP-1 coverage. Now, you
still have the opportunity as a

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self-funded client to not offer GLP-1
coverage for weight loss. Where you will

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probably see a rate impact is if you
offer GLP1 coverage this year, you know,

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and people use it, then you would see it
next year. But there's no rate impact

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this year in 2027 to offer GLP-1
coverage for weight loss. So, we just

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need to know if you want it um to be a
benefit for folks or or not.

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» Nicole, do you got anything to add?

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[clears throat]

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» Yeah. Can you hear me?
>> Yes.

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» Okay.
also present

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» stop loss.

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» Yep. Yeah. So, right now you guys are at
a $30,000 stop loss. Um which means

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Ramsey County covers the first 30,000 of
every belly button that you guys cover

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under this plan. Um, and so what we
looked at was doing a $40,000 or a

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$50,000 stop loss. Um, and again, um,
probably looking at the the the funds

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that are available, I think it it's
pretty flush. So, if you guys wanted to

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take on a little bit more liability um,
for the the claims purposes, then that

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just lowers um, what your monthly
stop-loss premiums are going to be to to

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Blue Cross and Blue Shield. So, um,
again, it probably lowers it. I think if

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we looked at the at the $50,000 one, I
think it's going to lower it. I think it

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takes off,
it probably brings it down about 10%.

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On your stop-loss premiums.
Now, again, that increases your

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liability, but you only pay that up to
50,000 if people have claims up to that

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50,000.
And we do have right now there's about

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two people that are um kind of in your
high dollar cases that are look like

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they will probably be active again next
year in 2027.

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» So all of this insurance that you're
talking here, this is for full-time

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employees only.
>> Yes. Yep. For full-time employees for

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Health Dental Vision. So, is there any
options if we were to have part-time

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employees on your guidance?
>> Do you have a lot of part-time people?

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» I'm asking in case we would have to go
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» um you can always put in a class of
coverage for part-time uh employees. Uh

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typically, uh what we see for other
groups that do part-time employees, they

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normally make them work an hour a
minimum of 20 hours to be part-time and

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then they typically don't,
how do I want to say this? Treat them

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the same as the full-time employees. So,
right now, everyone is getting the the

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their premiums paid. Part-time typically
are aren't going to get the same level

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of employer contribution that the that
the full-time do. So,

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that would be completely up to you guys.
If you were going to say like we'll pay

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for a single or we'll pay you have to
pay 50% of your single, that would be

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completely up to you guys. The minimum
would be sing 50% of a single plan has

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to be paid by the employer if you're
going to offer coverage. So, and I only

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bring that up lean just because
sometimes full-time people don't like to

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know that part-time people are getting
the same benefits that they are

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paid by the employer,
[clears throat]

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but that is completely your guys's
decision to do.

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Nicole, did I did I forget anything
else?

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» I don't think so. Do you think

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So, did that answer your question,
Nicole? as far as a part-time

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» benefit thing.

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I just wanted I just wanted to make sure
that you're um I know we had talked

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offline about in case we've had would
have part-time employees how we would

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proceed.
>> Yep.

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» You know, and since you're here today,
Carrie, I want to make sure I ask that

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question so that we're not
>> putting more stress on Candy to ask you

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when we have you right here.
>> Yeah. No, you bet. You bet.

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» Is that part-time?
Does that [clears throat] decision need

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to be made when selecting one of these
or is that something the commission and

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county can do at any time?
>> Yeah, it should be done on group

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anniversary which is January one. And so
if it's just something that if you don't

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have any part-time people now, but you
anticipate like maybe in March, you

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would probably get part-time. I would
put it in your contract that just says

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part-time employees are eligible for
benefits working 20 hours a week. They

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get, you know, whatever. I'm just
throwing this out here. they get 50% of

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a single paid by, you know, Ramsey
County. But as long as it's spelled out

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that whenever anybody has a part-time
employee, then they would be offered

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benefits
>> and that doesn't affect rates.

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» Now, where it could affect rates is if
they have a lot of claims.

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» So
Nicole, do you have a question?

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» I was just

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out there.

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There's been some back and forth.

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we're not ready for

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that.

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So we want as much discussion as
possible. [laughter]

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So basically
>> my understanding is we need to have this

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settled by December.
>> Yeah. And I think whenever your I think

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typically in the past we've had it
approved

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» October
>> whenever you guys have to have your

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budget finalized. So yes, you don't need
to make any final decisions today. I

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think again like Nicole said, it's
really more of a anformational just

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because the plan is being discontinued.
We want to get this in front of you. So,

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if you guys had any questions, I'm here
to answer them. Um, and I and I can tell

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you that the plans that they would be
moving to are much better for the

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members than the current plan that
they're on. So, just the additional

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00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,679
benefits that they're going to receive.

417
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:16,639
Any other questions for me?
>> I don't have any other questions.

418
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:19,919
Commission have any other questions?
>> Okay.

419
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:23,280
» I appreciate all the information.
>> You bet. And like I said, and if you

420
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:27,040
think of anything, Candy, she's got a
direct line to me, so yeah, I'll answer

421
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,240
whatever.
>> You good?

422
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:35,063
» Yeah. No, I'm good.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

423
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:37,083
» Yeah. Thanks for coming.
[clears throat]

424
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:41,399
» Moving on to Jason.

425
00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:52,639
» All right, we will uh jump right in. I
guess we get the Magwater Dust Control

426
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:55,639
invoice from Haley's Dust Control for
$10,995.25.

427
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:05,119
I'm asking for a motion to pay that
amount and then there'll be $2748.81

428
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:12,800
being reversed through the residents who
had the dust control done.

429
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:18,200
» Move to approve payment. Second.
>> We got a motion. We got a second to pay

430
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,200
the $10,99525.

431
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Any hearing any discussion here point
you all getting reimbured?

432
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,680
» Yep.
And this was the last year we were going

433
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:34,800
to offer this. I didn't budget for this
in the 27 budget [clears throat]

434
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,800
because county paid.
>> Can we make sure people get those

435
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,680
letters?
>> Yep. [clears throat] Yep. We will once

436
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,720
we decide.
>> We talked about this before, but just

437
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:45,680
like Yeah.
letter know that it's not going to be an

438
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:52,800
option.
>> Um, so we have a motion and we have a

439
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:58,680
second. Any other discussion
>> hearing? None. Roll call.

440
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,680
We're paying

441
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,680
» Hodis.
>> Hi.

442
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:03,359
» Rick.
>> Hi.

443
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,280
» Brown.
>> Hi.

444
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,800
» Folk.
>> Hi.

445
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:14,000
» Motion carries.
Uh the next thing is I um have a

446
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:20,800
contract
with uh for uh surplus equipment again

447
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:25,680
with Westad. He did our sale last year.
It was pretty successful. Um thought

448
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,119
we'd look at doing that again. You guys
were

449
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:33,200
good with the list. I think I sent
everybody a list. I believe

450
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:36,960
» um do we want to go do we have to go
through each one of those? How do we do

451
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:40,400
that? I don't remember from last year. I
can.

452
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:46,240
So, basically, you have a master disc on
there, wheel rake,

453
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:49,599
car, kettle, the John Deere with a um
$3,500 reserve. Correct.

454
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:55,839
» Yep.
>> International dump truck, Bush Hog,

455
00:36:52,560 --> 00:37:03,359
Batwing, 15 foot, 500gallon propane
tank, two of them, um F-150,

456
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:07,440
and then two Rams.
>> Yes.

457
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:13,560
Anybody
have any questions as far as the items

458
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,560
that are on the list?

459
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,800
» This will be when?
>> September 24th.

460
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:26,480
And it won't be our own sale. He's uh
they're doing a consignment sale again.

461
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:31,920
So, there'll be other items on the sale.
We don't have enough for our own this

462
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:34,800
year. Last year, we had quite a bit, but
this should be the last one, I would

463
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,000
think, for a couple years. is with who
again?

464
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:41,880
» With Wested
>> with Kyler Wested.

465
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:49,280
» Make a motion to go ahead and declare
the item surplus and

466
00:37:48,291 --> 00:37:53,040
[clears throat]
conduct the online auction.

467
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,280
» Second.
>> We have a motion. We have a second. Any

468
00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:00,640
discussion?
Hearing none

469
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,321
by saying I.
>> I. Those opposed same sign. Motion

470
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,560
carries.
[clears throat]

471
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:13,839
» Okay. My next thing is a budget item. We
need to purchase 300 ton of sand so we

472
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:20,160
can do some salt sand mixing and then
have some around for for um crack

473
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:24,079
sealing in the spring. The quote is for
$4,50

474
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:29,200
for what we need from Gowen. They were
our low bid this spring on our materials

475
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:33,760
quote. So asking for a motion to accept
the quote and get the sand.

476
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:37,920
» Move to approve. Second.
>> Feel the motion. We have a second. Those

477
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:43,640
in favor by saying I
>> I those opposed sign. Motion carries.

478
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:51,200
» Wash sand bl
just no rock or gravel in it. Just

479
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:57,280
cleaned.
Um the next thing on the list is

480
00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:01,520
purchase uh the chips seal rock class 42
from Gwen.

481
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:06,240
We only need about 1,900 ton with what
we have left over from this year's

482
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:10,160
projects. As we shifted part of that to
next year, we were going to do some

483
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:14,079
patching in that area. So, we didn't use
everything we had on hand. Again, they

484
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:23,040
were the low quote this spring when we
did our materials bids. And for uh the

485
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:28,320
1900 ton, that comes out to $75,95.
So, asking for a motion to accept this

486
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:30,640
quote for the 2027 chip sale projects.
Move to approve.

487
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,640
» Second.
>> We have a motion. We have a second. Any

488
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:40,079
other discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor by saying I.

489
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:43,599
» I.
Same sign. Motion carries.

490
00:39:42,262 --> 00:39:48,079
[clears throat]
>> Next thing we have going is we need a

491
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:52,480
second rental tractor to mow with. We
did this last year as well. John Deere

492
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:58,720
only offers one through the program now
for each entity. So, um, High Plans has

493
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:02,560
agreed again to rent this one at $75 an
hour with a 100 hour minimum.

494
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,200
» So, did we hit that last year?
>> We didn't.

495
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:10,640
» We did not. We were really close. We
were at 80 some hours. Um, we only we

496
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,920
were short on staff last year, so and
they just went by the hour, but this

497
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,400
year they want the 100 hour guarantee.
So, we'll definitely use it for the 100

498
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,907
this year.
>> I was just curious how close we

499
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:26,240
» It was really close. Yeah.
[clears throat] So, um, anyway, that'd

500
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:29,280
be $7,500 and we don't need to pay that.
We're just asking to accept the rental

501
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,880
agreement.
>> So, move.

502
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,720
» Second.
>> We have a motion. We have a second.

503
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:42,320
» All those in favor by saying I
>> I both same size. Motion carries.

504
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:46,480
» The next thing was that new approach
request for Jordan Han on Ramsey County

505
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:53,760
1. He wants to come straight off of one
onto his home driveway. I think I sent

506
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:59,440
you guys the map of that. I believe I
did. Um hopefully it was marked out okay

507
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:05,920
so you could see what he was plan was
with that. I um reached out. There's no

508
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:09,520
regulations about approach per mile on
that stretch of road or anything like

509
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:13,040
that. The sight lines are good. I know
another resident did it a year or two

510
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:17,280
ago. Well, a couple three years ago was
Kevin's time. So, it's all at their

511
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,960
cost. There's no cost to the county on
that. They'd have to purchase the covert

512
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:26,160
and do the approach and he'd have to
build it to the standards if it was

513
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:30,079
approved. I have no reason to decline it
other than the fact that

514
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:35,599
there is a frontage road there. I don't
know how many approaches we want off

515
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:40,640
Ramsey County one, but
I guess with it as their cost,

516
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:46,480
» it's up to me. I It's
>> How far up is the other road coming off

517
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:49,599
the front? What What's the advantage?
Well, they don't have to come in and

518
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:53,280
then drive by the two neighbors houses.
They can just go straight off the

519
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,960
» do the other neighbors have straight on
approaches.

520
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:03,760
» Um, one has put one in. Yeah. At their
own cost that the I believe the township

521
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:09,040
is the one who did the the frontage road
at the time to avoid the to avoid cost,

522
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:12,800
you know. So if these homeowners, Kevin
allowed it when he was there because

523
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,160
they were assuming the costs themselves
as homeowners.

524
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,240
Well,
>> we all know what approaches do if

525
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:22,880
somebody goes off the highway and hits
one,

526
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:27,920
» right? And that's why they have to be
built to the North Dakota DOT standard

527
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:31,920
or we don't allow them. We inspect that.
>> North Dakota standards are on highway

528
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:35,599
two everywhere,
>> right?

529
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:38,079
» You go off road get an approach. We all
know,

530
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,839
» right?
>> How many do you want up there?

531
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:47,680
» Well, right. That's that's the next
thing. I mean, there's [clears throat]

532
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:54,720
they're all they're all along that
stretch. Fison's got multiple on that

533
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:57,599
side. You got It's a busy area. A lot of
lot of development there.

534
00:42:56,319 --> 00:43:03,359
» The state highway, you better have a
damn good reason to put one in there. I

535
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:07,680
know that they only put them record.
>> Right. Well, that's why I brought it

536
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:10,960
here. Like I say, I did the leg work. I
check in to see what the impacts would

537
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:14,400
be.
The sight lines are good. Things like

538
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:16,480
that are fine for an approach. Just
depends on how many

539
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,880
» I have no problem.
>> Yep.

540
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:25,480
» Icy roads cause people to blow roads.
>> Yep. That's why I brought it here.

541
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,760
» I don't know.
>> I think it's a little close. Is it

542
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:36,160
close?
I yeah I haven't I haven't with the

543
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:42,560
reduced speed zone is what makes it
okay. I haven't uh as far as spacing

544
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:48,560
because it's reduced through there but I
didn't pull the measurement off the on

545
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:51,920
here for the other for the entrance one
down on the so the entrance that the

546
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,800
closest one to him is the one by
Wendell's there where you come in on the

547
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:59,280
south or the
>> east end and then there's Wendle's house

548
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:04,400
and other house and then his
>> our side. Yeah, it's on the north side.

549
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,440
So, right now there's two approaches
onto that frontage road and then there's

550
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:11,599
one going straight
>> because I know there was a concern,

551
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,760
correct me if I'm wrong, where the bike
path side is, right?

552
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:18,720
» Yep.
>> When we had the last approach, the guy

553
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:24,000
came in here and wanted to put I wish he
was here, but when he wanted to pave it,

554
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:27,119
there was concerns of paving up to the
bike path. Correct.

555
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:31,119
» Well, the bike path's getting right done
now. So,

556
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:36,319
» so how much traffic do we want over the
bike path? Also, I'm just throw all the

557
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:41,119
options out there because I know there
was a lot of concern

558
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:45,920
come in that we were redoing the bike
path for that individual like are they

559
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:51,040
going to patch it in so that his
driveway still matches that, you know,

560
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:55,119
are we are we creating some issues there
where now we're paying for that? But

561
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,920
even though that would be on their own
because we did we're just doing the

562
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,880
bike.
>> Right.

563
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,520
» So now this would be another avenue to
cross that bike.

564
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:09,520
» Right.
>> Exactly. Yep. No. Yeah. Right.

565
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,920
» I think that's some concern too. But
>> well

566
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:17,319
» you're thinking that it's a little
close.

567
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,319
» No. Seems like it. But

568
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:26,040
» measure it on personal view.
>> Which one is it? He's the third host

569
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,040
from the

570
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:33,839
» So you come in by Wendles and then you
got the

571
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,119
pizza.
>> What's the purpose of I don't understand

572
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:41,359
what the purpose of a frontage road is
that we're just going to allow bunch of

573
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:46,480
approaches to go in. I mean that's why
frontage roads are put in to create less

574
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:50,560
intersections.
>> I get it. Everybody wants to know

575
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:54,560
approach, but how many approaches will
you put in before we have problems? I

576
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:59,119
mean, look at what happened on Highway
two. I mean, granted, we don't have the

577
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:02,240
speed out there that we do on Highway
two, but

578
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,880
» there's one at Wendles, right? Then the
next one west,

579
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:13,079
» is there another one?
>> All the way to

580
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,079
» That's the one that's paved, I believe.

581
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,720
Maybe
she bring up

582
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:31,880
so we can all see it. [cough]
[clears throat]

583
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:31,880
» And you put those in.

584
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Let them put them in and they think they
own it.

585
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,520
» Well, they would own it because we're
not going to put the except for the

586
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:43,359
rightway part. We'd still have
jurisdiction over the rightway saying,

587
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,040
» but we're not going to put the money.
>> They own them. You know what? What the

588
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:51,280
road?
>> So, what comes next is a mailbox,

589
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:56,480
» right?
>> Um I don't Well, yeah, I know what

590
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,560
you're saying. They want to control
them.

591
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,240
» I think what comes next is we should
have never done the one we did because

592
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:05,599
now we've opened up the can of worms. We
let the neighbor do it and now we've got

593
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:10,160
the next guy wanting to do it.
>> And of course, granted, that wasn't any

594
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:14,720
of my doing or many of your guys' doing,
but it's something that was done.

595
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:17,680
So now here we sit with
>> I know what you're saying. Yeah.

596
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,839
» If you [clears throat] asked for that on
Highway 57, they'd say no.

597
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:27,359
» Right. I agree.
>> They wouldn't put no more there. Why

598
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:31,440
didn't they do that on Highway 2 east? I
don't know why the highway.

599
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:34,240
» Oh, that's why we're That's why
>> and the road on that other end, that

600
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:39,599
other driveway to the other entrance
isn't any further apart.

601
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:44,280
Candy's gonna bring it up here so we can
>> looks like 530.

602
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:54,240
» I'm just looking at what are the
advantages. I mean

603
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,240
» just besides
>> Yeah, it's the it's the third one right

604
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,040
there. Ken, that's the one
>> push to get out.

605
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,160
» So you have the one at the beginning,
right?

606
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:08,319
» Yep.
>> And then you have one further down.

607
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:13,119
» You have that one. Then you have the one
over.

608
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:17,319
» So my question is the way it is now,
we're not necking down traffic

609
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:23,760
» because basically you have if you would
have all the homes there's one, two,

610
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,319
three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
nine, 10.

611
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,400
» This one
>> right there.

612
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:33,200
» Right there.
>> Yeah.

613
00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:36,559
» We don't need more approaches along that
road. Like I said, people go off of the

614
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:41,040
car.
>> You said we're looking at 500 ft

615
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:46,319
» from that one to that one and 700 to the
other one.

616
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:49,920
» My if we allow this one and those four
lots, someone puts a home in there and

617
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:55,359
then we put another one in there and
then we go down to the end with that new

618
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:59,119
expansion coming on. Are they going to
want one out the end? I'm just asking

619
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:04,000
the question, are they going to want
that frontage road to come all the way

620
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:07,520
out to Walleye Drive next?
>> Well, that would have been the thing to

621
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:11,839
do instead of the one that we did. You
know, in reality, if we were in

622
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:15,119
» charge of the front room, Jason, the
township.

623
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:18,400
» Yeah.
They're just looking for permission to

624
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:22,960
come off our rightway.
The the homeowner is not the township.

625
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,839
» Not the township. No, he's got no
support of the township.

626
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:30,079
» Well, he just came to us. It's our right
away from now. That would be the next

627
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,359
step. I would [clears throat]
>> do is talk to the township, see where

628
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:36,880
they're at.
>> Well, I think I think Blaine made a good

629
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,079
point that I wasn't considering at the
time either when I was looking at

630
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:45,200
everything. We are going to redo the
bike path. Maybe we just tell him to

631
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:48,720
we'll revisit it after we he can revisit
it after we look at the

632
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,599
» bike path construction and see how that
turns out.

633
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:55,680
» Sure. because that'd be my only I I
don't have the if the approach is built

634
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,440
into the 4 to1 standard and the 3 to1
back slope and all that. It's a nice big

635
00:49:57,359 --> 00:50:02,640
ditch. I don't know the danger of the
approach as much as the fact that we're

636
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:06,319
going to be taking extra track and there
plus they're going to be working there

637
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:09,839
next summer that's getting done. So,
we'd be in there digging up his new

638
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:14,480
approach and his access anyway.
>> What are we going to do? We got a grant

639
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:18,720
to redo that um bike path through the
transportation act

640
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,480
» to [clears throat] get it up to current
standards.

641
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:27,040
» I'll be honest with you, you know how
they have that front end road. I think

642
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:32,079
only one person finishing that frontage
road

643
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:36,480
straight west.
So you would have an access point on

644
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:41,760
this side and you have access that side.
Makes more sense than just making a

645
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:46,440
private drive. But that's my opinion,
right? When we went and allowed that

646
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:48,960
private drive basically
[clears throat] and people could say,

647
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:54,800
"Well, there's a private drive on the
other end." But it would be access for

648
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:58,319
both sides. Then you don't have Whoops.
You don't have this side having to drive

649
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:03,359
all the way back and so on. You would
have an access

650
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:08,400
to both entrances. to me would make more
sense so that you have less because if

651
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,119
once you if you put in another approach
what's going to stop for everybody

652
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,240
wanting to put one
>> well it's not that's that's

653
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:17,200
» what you said we
>> that's why we're here now yeah that's

654
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,960
why we're here now everyone's going to
want their own and I get it

655
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:25,520
» and I know when they pave when they pave
that

656
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:30,079
there was a lot of concern of when we
were going to fix the bike path

657
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,319
» Yeah because now we're have to cut
through

658
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:39,119
My thinking is you want to stay on the
half mile line where Riggins is, right?

659
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:45,440
» Yeah.
>> But the other one is not on the quarter.

660
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:47,359
» No, I shouldn't have went there. I
agree.

661
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,839
» I think you better stay on the quarter
and a half mile line because that's the

662
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:56,880
right way to the government. Do
>> nobody can deny you access on you stay

663
00:51:54,160 --> 00:52:01,280
on the section or on the quarter half
>> because that's what made section lines

664
00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:04,880
was quarter mile. Yep. Well, I'm fine
with it. That's why I want to bring the

665
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:07,599
conversation here. There's not a lot of
danger to making the decision on your

666
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,000
own.
>> Well, like I say, I there's there's pros

667
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:16,240
and cons to both. It doesn't it's not
really technically

668
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,520
would be hurting anything besides the
fact that it's in our rightway, not on

669
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:22,720
the quarter or the half mile line. And
there's really no reason for it except

670
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,720
for the fact that we let the neighbor do
it [laughter]

671
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:30,319
three years ago. You know what I mean?
That's the only

672
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,400
So then you're in that situation where
then is everyone's going to want one,

673
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,240
you know?
>> Well, in that situation,

674
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:41,760
» I mean, I think we could revisit this
once we get the bike path done to see

675
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:45,599
where we go with that. Like,
>> great. I think that'd be fair.

676
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:48,319
» I mean, how much traffic do we want over
that bike path?

677
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,240
» It's good. I mean, we're lucky that we
got a grant to take care of that bike

678
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:55,760
most of that bike path because it's not
cheap.

679
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:59,599
» No, it's over 500,000 to redo it. So,
>> does that grant have any sort of

680
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:03,520
restrictions
on it for the construction of path

681
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:08,079
itself?
>> There's something about motorized stuff.

682
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:11,760
» Yeah, nothing motorized. Um, we we
honestly were just getting into the

683
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:16,079
preliminary engineering of it. So, we
really they're just getting put KLJ's

684
00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:19,839
just getting started laying it out. So,
I really don't know a whole lot of the

685
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:25,040
construction details as of yet. there
could be some sort of restriction on,

686
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:29,760
you know, how many roads crossing over.
>> Well, and that's why I called and talked

687
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:32,800
with uh Brandon about just about access
period because on federal highway or

688
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:38,319
federal aid roads, federal highway
system roads, there generally is a

689
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:44,480
spacing requirements and only so many
approaches within a mile, which is four.

690
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:48,319
But, uh, on this situation, since it's a
heavy populated residential area, it's

691
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:53,640
never really been anything that was ever
incorporated into this [clears throat]

692
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,640
stretch

693
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:02,800
because as you go every direction from
there, there's it's littered with

694
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:06,480
approaches on the north side.
They put one they put an approach every

695
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:10,319
road from Freeze on for access to the
bike path.

696
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:15,119
you know, there's just it's just an
approach mess out there. But yes, I say

697
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:17,920
we revisit it after we get further along
with the bike path if he would like to.

698
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:23,200
It's up to him. It's
>> also our obligation as the county would

699
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:27,839
to keep the roads as safe as we can.
>> Keep the rightway as clear

700
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:33,119
» access it at the half mile and the
quarter line and no place else. They did

701
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,960
that on Highway 2, they wouldn't had all
the problems they got. Right.

702
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:44,079
» Well, look how many times we've visited
on that. a lot and I think we're finally

703
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:47,520
getting to get that done next summer so
that it's I mean we've lost some lives

704
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,319
on that road.
>> Yeah,

705
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:53,599
» that probably could have been avoided
and like I [clears throat] said the

706
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:57,599
traffic's not near the speed on this
road, but

707
00:54:56,319 --> 00:55:01,520
it's busy.
>> Yeah. [clears throat and cough]

708
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:07,839
» Well, like I say, I was just asking for
a a motion to accept or decline the

709
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:12,960
request, but I think I got that. So,
I don't think we made a motion.

710
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:15,920
» Make a motion to deny the request.
>> Second.

711
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:20,800
» We have a motion and we have a second.
Any other discussion? Hearing none. All

712
00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:27,680
those in favor by saying I.
>> All oppose same sign. Motion carries.

713
00:55:25,473 --> 00:55:33,520
[clears throat] Um I don't know how much
of this last page I I printed a new one,

714
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:37,520
but uh quote from post to spot gravel
Ramsey County 9. There's a soft area

715
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:45,119
west of Ramsey County 3 that needs a few
loads. And then Ramsey County 4 north of

716
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:51,680
17 needs a few loads too. We're looking
at 350 yards total. They gave me a price

717
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:55,119
of 6875 and that should take care of the
spot graveling around the county area.

718
00:55:53,920 --> 00:56:00,160
We were going to do a little bit south
of pen, but we're going to do that

719
00:55:56,079 --> 00:56:04,559
ourselves. So, um, that was for $6,875.
So, I'm asking for a motion to accept

720
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:06,000
the quote.
So move.

721
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,440
» Second.
>> We have a motion. We have a second. Any

722
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:12,559
discussion?
Hearing none. All those in favor by

723
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:18,799
saying I. I.
>> All opposed. Same sign. Motion carries.

724
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:23,839
» Um DS excavating got the I got the
invoice for those 5 72inch coververts

725
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:30,319
that were installed on 96th Avenue, that
waterboard crossing that we did. And I'm

726
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:34,160
asking for motion to pay the $17,500
bid price. So move.

727
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:40,400
Second.
>> We have a motion. We have a second to

728
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:44,160
pay 1,00 or 17,500.
Roll call, please.

729
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,000
» His I.
>> Fred.

730
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:47,839
» Hi.
>> Brown.

731
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:51,599
» I.
>> Bulk.

732
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:57,599
» Hi. Motion carries.
>> Um, DS Excavating.

733
00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:02,640
Brandon uh submitted another partial bid
or partial invoice for the rest of the

734
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:09,119
remaining gravel now on Ram County 7 and
four for $6,300. So I'm asking for a

735
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:12,079
motion to pay that $6,300.
And like I put in the notes there,

736
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:19,839
there's just a little over 8,000
remaining for gravel out of that

737
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:25,200
$120,000 soft spot project.
>> So move second. A

738
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:28,319
» motion. We got a second. All in fair by
saying I. Oh,

739
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:31,200
» you're paying, right?
>> Yeah.

740
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:34,400
» So, we need a roll call, please.
>> Yes, please.

741
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,400
» That's 6,300.
>> Yes.

742
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,000
» His hi.
>> Frit.

743
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,160
» Yes.
>> Brown.

744
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,559
» Hi.
>> Fulk.

745
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:51,839
» Hi.
>> Motion carries.

746
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:55,680
[snorts] Um, and the last thing I uh
well, I guess I got two things because I

747
00:57:53,280 --> 00:58:01,040
got the door quote, too. But the mowing
ad. I do have the ad if you'd like me to

748
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:04,400
read what it says to you guys. Or maybe
I was going to send it and I don't think

749
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:09,680
I did. But anyway, it's just a saying
that we want the ditches mowed by

750
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:13,119
October 1st, 2026. So, I'm asking for a
motion to accept that and post that

751
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:17,200
again in the journal.
>> So moved.

752
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,319
Second.
There go.

753
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,359
» We put that on our
>> It'll go on the website, too. I'll get

754
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:26,400
it to Michelle and it'll go on the
paper.

755
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:31,440
» Do we have a motion? We have a second to
put in the paper on our site.

756
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:35,920
Those in favor by saying I
>> I

757
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:43,920
same sign. Motion carries.
>> And lastly for me today then will be the

758
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:47,920
door quote. I um reached out to the two
contractors that have been working on

759
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:52,079
the building there. We're getting
closer. We got the concrete floor in. We

760
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:58,960
got some lights put in. Things are
coming right along. Um anyway, I got a

761
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:05,680
quote here from Lindstöms. This is five
doors, insulated doors installed

762
00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:11,680
with U
windows and the doors.

763
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:14,720
24 x 12 glass. They're the low headroom
doors, so they're a little harder to get

764
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:18,559
just because of the ceiling height and
the header height on those pole

765
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:23,839
structures isn't there for the clearance
of the regular standard door. So, per

766
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:28,440
door it came out to $1,495.88
88 for a total of 57,47940.

767
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:36,000
» And these What's that?
>> How much was that last year?

768
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,799
» 50 5747940.
And I think you should have a hand out

769
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:41,599
there, Bill, hooked to the
>> Yeah.

770
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:46,559
» with it. And those are from Midland
Doors. I guess I don't know my doors. I

771
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:50,720
did call around. It seems like those are
one of the better doors on the market

772
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:55,200
once I saw what brand they were.
Move to approve.

773
00:59:53,200 --> 01:00:01,839
» Second.
>> We have a motion. We have a second.

774
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:05,599
Any other discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor by saying I.

775
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:09,200
» I.
>> All oppose. Same sign. Motion.

776
01:00:08,436 --> 01:00:13,599
[clears throat]
>> Um, one last thing. I guess I was out

777
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:19,760
and drove the the circuit yesterday
afternoon.

778
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:25,280
Things are looking meekly better up.
I don't know optimistic I guess or

779
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:30,799
whatever but um tread carefully there
but no fster suit appears to maintain

780
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:34,559
gone down a little bit few inches maybe
but there's not I'm not not seeing a

781
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:39,280
whole lot
>> yeah there's not a lot of drop there I

782
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:43,920
mean it's we probably got maybe 10
inches now with the laser on a couple

783
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,280
spots of freeboard it was awful windy it
was hard to tell so I didn't spend a lot

784
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:51,440
of time I was going to I'll lay out a
grid for the next one so you kind of see

785
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:55,440
where we're at. But, um, Fox Lake looks
real good. I've been visiting with Chris

786
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:59,599
Rude of the Fish and Wildlife there.
We're working on some options to

787
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:04,720
possibly be able to do something there
as a permanent fixture there. Um, if we

788
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:07,520
do that fix, of course, I'll need
Daniel's help with that because we're

789
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:10,960
talking about maybe switching some
easements and we need to have him look

790
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,760
through those things and make sure we're
doing what's legal as a highway

791
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:19,839
department in the county. We won't enter
into anything until Mr.

792
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,400
takes a look at all that for us, but be
nice not to have to fill that in and

793
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:26,640
spend that money and then have to just
repeat the process of permitting and dig

794
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:31,200
it out again over and over every year.
So, they're willing to work with us

795
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:35,440
there, it seems like. And the soft spots
are healing nice on four. Um, there's

796
01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:39,839
might be a little much rock there. I
talked with Mr. Sundine yesterday. We

797
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:43,599
got some plans with that. So, we'll see
how that comes together. But the center

798
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:46,799
of the road is really good now. It's
holding up nice. So,

799
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,599
» how much total money do we have in that
road for the year?

800
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:54,640
» The guess
>> the gravel part up there or

801
01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:59,040
» Well, so far just the soft spots we
budgeted $120,000, but then that's not

802
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:03,839
counting all the extra blading and and
then we got hundred and some thousand on

803
01:02:01,359 --> 01:02:06,559
asphalt patching. $139,000 where we
fixed all the breakouts and the asphalt

804
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:10,240
down.
>> Just the gravel part.

805
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:15,440
» No, that's going south, too. But uh but
on the gravel part, just the soft spot

806
01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:19,119
repair, we're at 120. We set 120 aside
for that coming into the year.

807
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:22,559
» And the whole road, how much do we have
on it? Your guess?

808
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:26,880
» At least a quarter million right now
with the asphalt patching too where we

809
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:33,680
had all the blowups this spring in the
pavement.

810
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:36,319
» And none of that is south. South is
that? No, that's all north to south,

811
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,200
right?
>> Yeah, there was one big one south. There

812
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,520
is
>> yeah right between six right by the area

813
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:49,400
six there there was one paver pass
through there double lane there but then

814
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,400
everything's north

815
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:54,720
» and basically
that money is coming from the county

816
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,599
right
>> all that money is coming from the county

817
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,559
yeah
>> and if we didn't have water ling these

818
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:04,960
roads all the time we wouldn't be doing
that

819
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,799
» yeah well definitely would help for sure
you're

820
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:10,760
» simple isn't it
>> yeah we're saturated Yeah,

821
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:19,200
that's what the frustrating part was
when FEMA was here. They agreed with us.

822
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:23,839
They know we're saturated, but they were
only looking at what happened from that

823
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:28,000
three-day rain, not past year's rain,
spring or on. They don't care. Just what

824
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:32,960
happened right there.
>> Just so they can put in a paper

825
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:38,240
paperwork for that week and head on
home. So

826
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:42,160
» and leave you with the problem.
>> Well, our soft spot repair budget all

827
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:46,960
went within that 2 miles of seven and
four. We didn't we weren't we weren't

828
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,280
able to go anywhere else again, you
know, and we have other spots that need

829
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:52,400
it.
>> Absolutely.

830
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,000
» But it was it was so bad through there.
I mean, the other spots we can band-aid

831
01:03:54,480 --> 01:04:00,920
and get across,
>> those spots are tough. You couldn't

832
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:00,920
drive them.

833
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:07,119
» Thank you, Jason. Yeah, but overall I
think we're getting there now. We can

834
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:10,000
get caught up on blading again.
>> I was over it the other day and I felt

835
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:14,559
it was a lot better.
>> It's a lot safer feeling now. Yeah,

836
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:19,280
» we still got the rough road signs up
just to hopefully people pay attention

837
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:23,599
to them. But we'll get them down once he
gets some more gravel on there, but

838
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:28,680
trying to let that rock work in a little
bit. Anybody else got anything else?

839
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,680
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

840
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:39,920
Thanks, Jason. [clears throat]
Daniel,

841
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:47,440
you're on the
>> Thank you, sir. Um, so I asked to be on

842
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:52,160
the agenda today. Um, I have two open
positions in my office, a parallegal and

843
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:57,760
an assistant states attorney position
that are open. Uh, both have been open

844
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:06,000
for approximately
three to four months. Um,

845
01:05:02,319 --> 01:05:13,760
current policy, uh, 209 in the county
handbook, uh, prohibits me from starting

846
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:19,920
anybody above, uh, step five in the
individual, uh,

847
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:25,599
positions grade. So, for parallegals,
they start on grade four or they're on

848
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:31,440
grade four and to my understanding. And,
uh, assistant states attorney is on

849
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:36,799
grade 10. Um
essentially uh starting us out at step f

850
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:43,200
or limiting me to starting out at step
five and that's only with uh the

851
01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:51,200
portfolio holders approval uh severely
limits my ability to attract

852
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:57,920
applicants. Um, for example, uh, I have
had conversations with experienced

853
01:05:53,359 --> 01:06:04,160
attorneys, uh, who have five plus years
of experience doing this job. And they

854
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:09,599
would have to take a $15,000 pay cut in
order to cut work for Ramsey County. Um,

855
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:14,640
I'm not going to be able to convince
somebody that they're doing their civic

856
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:20,799
duty and take a $15,000 pay cut and make
it worth their time. Um similarly in the

857
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:25,280
parallegal position uh individuals who
work in the state court system or in

858
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:28,880
other offices
um it it's a competitive market. It's

859
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:34,559
hard to find people who have the
qualifications to not only start out in

860
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:40,000
the position but to attract people uh
with already uh experience in the area

861
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:48,559
so that I'm not having to train somebody
from the ground up. Um, I I I'm asking

862
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:52,880
the commission for a variance um uh case
by case. Um, I'm not sure how you how

863
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:58,880
you would want to phrase it, but I'm
asking that with portfolio holders

864
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:04,319
approval essentially that capping at
step five for new hires. I would ask

865
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:08,640
that that at least for the time being
for my two open positions uh be

866
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:13,359
something that I can speak with Blaine
about make sure that it makes sense to

867
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:18,799
him. Uh since he is the portfolio holder
I'm not trying to undo the policy as

868
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:21,280
it's written. It's just that Bla at step
five.

869
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:25,839
» Daniel called me on this and I wanted
him to present it to everybody because I

870
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:31,359
didn't want to make this decision
himself. I figured bring it to the

871
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:35,760
commission so that you guys hear the
whole like it's just not me making the

872
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:37,280
decision.
I [clears throat] understand what you're

873
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:42,720
saying.
>> Yeah.

874
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:49,280
» It's the point is the commission has set
a policy. That policy is from 2019 I

875
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:53,359
believe. Um, a and I understand why the
policy was set that way, but similar to

876
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:58,559
many positions around the county, like
the VSO position, I mean, we're having a

877
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:03,280
hard time getting people to come and do
the jobs that we need done. And so, if I

878
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:07,119
don't have the ability to use what's in
my budget, I'm not asking for additional

879
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:13,440
money. This is just to use what's in my
budget. Um,

880
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:18,640
and so I'm asking for some sort of
variance to allow me to step outside of

881
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:21,640
the step five restriction on hiring new
employees.

882
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:26,400
» If there are any questions on that
>> for these two positions,

883
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:30,560
» yes, just for these two positions, just
for the time being, I I think it's worth

884
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:35,359
probably revisiting to see if that
specific policy is feasible for the

885
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:40,400
county. I mean,
maybe we need to do a variance on a

886
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:45,279
case- by case basis, but um I mean,
we're struggling to get qualified

887
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:49,839
applicants in a few positions. And so,
if if I can't attract those applicants,

888
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:55,719
I'm
I don't have a lot of options.

889
01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:55,719
» Yeah.

890
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:10,799
Not to rush anybody, but I have a
hearing at 9:15. If anybody has any

891
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:14,719
questions on that,
well, I look at it. We had our HR here

892
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:20,880
because we had some issues in the past
and we got a policy put in place now of

893
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:25,440
our pay schedule. uh we start
manipulating that again, are we going to

894
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:31,040
get back into
some further problems?

895
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:40,080
» That that is why this was put in place
in 19. But we can either decide to limit

896
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:44,159
the amount of pay that we're able to
attribute to a position and leave it

897
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:50,239
empty. And so the county is not
receiving the benefit of

898
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:54,960
what I consider to be vital uh to the
operation of the county. I I mean I've

899
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:59,760
been down these two positions for the
past four months. The reality is is I'm

900
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:04,320
I'm falling behind
on the criminal side and the civil side

901
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:08,480
of things. And so if I can't get these
positions filled, I'm going to have to

902
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:14,239
pull back from my support of the
departments as I think is very vital. I

903
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:18,080
think the commission as well as the
waterboard as well as the portfolio

904
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:23,840
holders have benefited from more
interaction with me from more time spent

905
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:30,000
from my office. But I can't I can't do
both without more support and being able

906
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:35,600
to fill my positions. And so I
understand that the concern is salaries

907
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:39,920
getting out of control, but if we're
going to

908
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:45,120
not allow positions to be filled with
people who want to do the job and who

909
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:49,760
will do the job well and they just need
more money in order to come over, then I

910
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:57,199
the amount of support that I can give
the county is going to decrease in a

911
01:10:54,320 --> 01:11:00,800
proportionate manner. And if that is the
decision of the commission, then I'll

912
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:05,920
have to go in that direction and I'll
have to look at what I need to pull back

913
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:10,199
on in order to make sure that I'm doing
the job to the best of my abilities.

914
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:18,400
» What's the current staffing of your
office, Daniel?

915
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:25,280
» I've got uh Nancy Watt and Kim Perkune
are uh parallegals. Um, and then Noah

916
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:32,320
Corger is an assistant who started a
little less than a year ago and myself.

917
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,480
» Do you have an an assistant states
attorney?

918
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:39,040
» Mr. Corger is an assistant states
attorney.

919
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:45,120
» And he's been there how long?
>> A little less than a year. We're coming

920
01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:48,120
up on 11 months, 12 months uh, in
October.

921
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:58,960
Um and the office has functioned with
two people in it for a number of years.

922
01:11:56,719 --> 01:12:02,239
Judge Olsen when he was in the office
was

923
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:06,960
uh
the only full-time attorney and uh

924
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:14,600
Martin Halbach was an assistant states
attorney. Um, I think that based on the

925
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,600
amount of

926
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:23,520
we'll say questions and concerns that I
fielded just over the past year, I I

927
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:28,880
think everybody is appreciative of being
able to uh get a legal opinion uh in a

928
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:36,719
timely manner and get more support from
my office. And as has been slowly

929
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:41,679
happening, um,
Judge Agotness when she was in the

930
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:47,040
office moved, uh, Miss Hawach down up to
a full-time employee. And even with, uh,

931
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:51,679
two full-time attorneys, I don't think
as much civil support on the county side

932
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:58,800
of county governance side of things was
being done either. And I we are I'm a

933
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:04,320
hundred hearing uh cases ahead from
where I was last year. Um we're charging

934
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:09,360
out more uh to my understanding law
enforcement feels that cases in a way

935
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:14,080
that they uh appreciate and feel
supported from my office. I I don't

936
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:20,960
foresee our cases going down anytime
soon. And so I those criminal cases

937
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:26,560
unfortunately take u precedence as far
as an importance uh for my dayto-day

938
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:32,679
without more support in the office. And
so the civil support is is going to

939
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,679
start sliding.

940
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,600
» You're up a 100 cases from last year.
>> Yes, sir.

941
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,600
» Really?
>> Yeah.

942
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:46,320
» Would you have any guess? Would you
speculate on

943
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:52,800
why that is.
>> Um where's it coming from in general?

944
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:59,760
» I what I'll say is last year was a
specific dip that I can account for. Um

945
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:05,760
we're on track for about 7 750 cases
this year, which is um maybe a little

946
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:15,199
bit above average for the last 5 to 10
years. Uh but there was a dip and after

947
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:20,000
I took over last year um this year is
just at a higher rate. I I I don't have

948
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:23,159
the numbers to really guess one way or
the other.

949
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:32,800
» I think this I think this should be
addressed. I mean

950
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:35,440
» I think I think Daniel we have all the
information that you've given us. that

951
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:41,199
you have up.
>> I do have to run. Um, and I do have

952
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:44,480
these applicants lined up. If a decision
could be made today, I'd greatly

953
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:49,679
appreciate it and one way or the other
just so that I can get some answers out.

954
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:51,120
Um, and I will leave it in your hands.
>> Thank you.

955
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:54,280
» Thank you, gentlemen.
>> Thank you.

956
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:12,000
The only thing that scares me on this is
>> are we going to have other entities,

957
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:16,800
other departments coming to us with the
same thing?

958
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:22,320
Like I know the sheriff wanted to do
something like this also

959
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:27,679
and where are we at? You know what I
mean? Maybe

960
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:34,400
what something I like to know on the
applicants and I'm not on the hiring

961
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:38,640
thing is the applicant coming to us
gaining benefits or not gaining

962
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:42,080
benefits. Is it a wash where they're
just looking to, you know what I'm

963
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:46,480
saying? If you're coming to the county
and I don't know how they do it on other

964
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:49,760
entities, but let's say you had a lawyer
out in the other, he wasn't getting

965
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:55,120
insurance and all the benefits that we
offer and he's coming here. We give them

966
01:15:52,400 --> 01:16:00,239
all one for one of what he's making plus
the benefits because that's something

967
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:05,679
that someone has to give up to, you
know, I've I've changed jobs before.

968
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:10,320
I've taken pay cuts to look at what was
for me in the future.

969
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:14,800
not what was at the present. You know,
coming to a job isn't always about

970
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:18,800
making more money coming to a job, but
what is it best in the future? Is it

971
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:23,742
better for me in the future or is it not
better for me?

972
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:30,199
» And I I get what he's saying. If if uh
[clears throat] you have someone with

973
01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:30,199
the experience and you can get them

974
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:35,600
two different ways. I don't know. It's a
tough thing because we have other

975
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:41,920
departments. If it was the only
department that we were had, you could

976
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:46,239
probably make it an easy decision.
You know, I mean, I'll use you as

977
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:50,880
example, Jason, you have what, 10
people,

978
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:54,640
» and the sheriff has 12 people,
Candy has a few people, and then all of

979
01:16:53,120 --> 01:17:04,560
a sudden, where do we go with this? Are
we we snowball it? I don't know.

980
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:09,440
» Question. Was he saying in his budget?
>> It's it's within his budget. I've tal

981
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:14,080
I've talked to him. It is still within
his budget that he had presented. So he

982
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:19,080
wouldn't be going over his budget.
>> So he wants to pay the people.

983
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:25,520
» I think he wants to pay him off way. I
have my understanding is pay them off

984
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:29,040
the experience they have now.
>> Well, that seems like it would be

985
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:32,400
workable for him. I you know I
>> if you pay off the experience that they

986
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:36,320
would be coming in. So basically he was
would when I talked to Daniel on the

987
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:41,280
phone
step five is lower than the experience

988
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:46,239
that they have
>> right now. He would only be taking them

989
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:51,360
to the step of where their experience
would be if they were already an

990
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:55,760
employee for us.
It's not I have this individual on. The

991
01:17:54,480 --> 01:18:00,800
only thing I would have to talk to
Daniel about that I would be concerned

992
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:05,920
we have a assistant states attorney
right now that it doesn't cause

993
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:10,000
conflict. You bring someone on and now
we lose that state's attorney because

994
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:14,159
they didn't have this opportunity. I
don't know how if the individual was

995
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:19,040
just one year two year because I don't
want to slap in the face the people that

996
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:24,320
we have working for us not to be fair to
them also you know. So does it that's

997
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:27,360
where I'm saying the snowball effect
because that could that could easily

998
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:32,960
happen. You bring someone on and you get
a little bit more money the rule stated

999
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:37,600
but the other individual is willing to
come on and take that chance to move up

1000
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:41,280
in the world right and now you bring
someone on because they have a little

1001
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:46,960
bit more experience and want to put them
into that. And I believe that's why the

1002
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:53,040
policy was put in place.
you I mean you guys were here longer

1003
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:56,800
than me but Jess you were 2019 you know
it's and I believe and that's something

1004
01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:03,520
that I definitely think would have to be
done through HR to get her opinion also

1005
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:09,280
you know otherwise if we make a decision
today and we don't have her opinion now

1006
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:12,760
we're are we going above and beyond and
saying we're HR

1007
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:20,800
some of that's got to still be in
No different when you had to work with

1008
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:27,440
your department with HR. I know the
sheriff has worked with HR

1009
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:35,600
» and then they presented it. So that
it's one of those deals like

1010
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:40,719
and I could talk to HR, get her opinion
and I know he wants us to make a

1011
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:48,159
decision today, but we want to make the
decision off of what HR gives us also.

1012
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:52,719
» Right. And what is another two weeks?
We've went four months. What's another

1013
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:55,440
two weeks? I mean, his answer would have
to go back to the people that are

1014
01:19:54,000 --> 01:20:01,199
interested. Hey,
>> I guess it all depends on how actively

1015
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,760
those individuals that have applied are
pursuing other avenues,

1016
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,920
» right?
>> Well, I think one of them is across the

1017
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:11,440
hall,
>> right?

1018
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:16,960
Um, I think they come with a lot of
experience and you know, we can throw

1019
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:23,360
this back at Jason and ask us, hey, tell
us if somebody came to you with 10 years

1020
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:27,120
of of roadwork experience on a on a CAD
grader, would you treat them the same as

1021
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:33,440
somebody new,
>> right? I totally get it.

1022
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:36,719
» So, that's budgeted money. makes a big
difference if you're not

1023
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:40,080
» it wouldn't throw them out of budget.
That was the first that [clears throat]

1024
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:44,000
was the first question I asked. I said,
"Is this going to throw you over your

1025
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:46,480
budget?" Because we already presented a
limit.

1026
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:52,000
» Well, and I do think that these
individuals positions have been included

1027
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:55,920
in this year's budget for next year.
>> Same as like the VSO.

1028
01:20:53,520 --> 01:21:00,719
» So,
>> just where would we where would you

1029
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:06,000
start? And I think he was asking that's
what he was asking if it was approved

1030
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:10,800
today to be above the five then that's
where the portfolio would get permission

1031
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:14,880
from the board to say okay we're going
to go with this.

1032
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:21,840
» Did he indicate how much higher than a
five or was that up to him and his

1033
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:25,120
portfolio? That's all he had said and I
said I wanted to bring it to you guys to

1034
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:31,040
get that approval first because I didn't
want to make a decision and then we come

1035
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:34,719
in here and I'm trying to answer the
questions to the one of five.

1036
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:39,920
» Right.
>> I understood he can't hire the the

1037
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:43,360
person is within the budget he has right
now.

1038
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:46,960
» Well, with the guidelines
>> with the guidelines of the hiring policy

1039
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:48,880
» of this hiring policy,
>> right? Yeah.

1040
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:54,400
» Because they're saying you can only go
to step five.

1041
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:59,679
And I believe if correct I think was
saying like a $15,000 would be matching

1042
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:03,679
the individual salary for the one. I
don't know about the other get deep

1043
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:08,480
conversation because I was like I wanted
to bring it to the commission. I didn't

1044
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:14,320
want to make that decision on my own
without your guys's approval.

1045
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:20,239
» I would I my own opinion is we hired to
do that part of our business. I think we

1046
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:27,040
should have advice on this.
>> Oh, I agree.

1047
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:29,440
» And then make a decision after that.
>> Um,

1048
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:33,920
» it's not saying we're not going to make
a decision. It's just we want the advice

1049
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:38,560
of
that to me is fair.

1050
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:43,360
» She communicated with
>> So,

1051
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:48,320
» um, she said that she gave him the
amount the policy would allow. So that

1052
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:52,159
would be the step five,
>> right?

1053
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:56,280
» Um and explained going higher would
require board approval.

1054
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:02,239
» So I do think that it comes down to our
decision.

1055
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:05,120
» So I mean she's following she's
>> she's following

1056
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:09,679
» she's following the policy.
>> She's not.

1057
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:13,000
» She's Yeah, she's she's going by what's
in the handbook.

1058
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,239
So obviously

1059
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:24,679
» I personally I think there still needs
to be some limitations.

1060
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:32,199
» Not that you bring someone in the max
scale.

1061
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,199
You know

1062
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:37,040
» we're leaving it up to Daniel to run his
department.

1063
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:40,000
» Correct.
>> We're just going to give him a little

1064
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:43,600
more leeway what we're doing. Right.
>> For the it would be only for these two

1065
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:47,120
positions. two positions
>> and then once these two positions were

1066
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:53,840
hired, they would go right back to the
209 hiring policy and proceed to.

1067
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:59,280
You know, let's say someone quit
tomorrow, you would have to then

1068
01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:05,199
advertise it as the
maximum and stuff, but it doesn't open

1069
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:09,679
it wide open. And that's something that
him and I have talked about. I said if

1070
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:14,719
this was okay by the commission, this is
not wide open. It creates problems with

1071
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:18,880
other departments.
>> Oh, I agree with you. But I mean, it's

1072
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:22,560
up to the commission.
>> Y

1073
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:26,239
want to keep the community safe. I guess
we better have somebody in that state

1074
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:30,320
attorney's office
>> that can handle the cases, the cases

1075
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:36,000
they're getting.
>> What was the figure he used? How many

1076
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:39,920
cases above last year he's at?
>> 100.

1077
01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:44,159
» 100. Wow.
Well, you've had a lot of

1078
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:48,719
problems over the road department too
this year, but it seems like got enough

1079
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:54,080
help on board seem like they're good
help. They've gotten work done

1080
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:57,199
and he can hire contractors also,
>> right?

1081
01:24:54,800 --> 01:25:01,440
» I mean,
Daniel's in a different position. He

1082
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:04,920
can't go contract out to lot services
for this county.

1083
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:15,040
is our president.
He is not in office. He's

1084
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:18,960
I'm not 100%.
>> What was your question?

1085
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:24,239
» Works at home.
>> Our president assistant does not work in

1086
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:28,400
office. He works
>> No, he's here.

1087
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:31,360
» I thought we had one that wasn't
>> No, he

1088
01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:36,400
» Oh, didn't know that.
>> Yeah, he did eventually that was in the

1089
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:41,840
process. He was only doing that until he
that I do know.

1090
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:47,280
» Yeah. No, that's I didn't know that.
I do know and I appreciate Daniel's help

1091
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:54,960
and and his time and availability that
he's made for not only myself but I

1092
01:25:50,960 --> 01:26:01,040
think for all the commission um
and some of the advice that he's given

1093
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:07,679
and some of the problems that maybe
we've created our ourselves or just get

1094
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:13,249
thrown on our laps. But either way, he's
he he's good at what he does. And

1095
01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:17,840
» yeah, I agree with you.
[clears throat]

1096
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:24,239
» Oh, I'd hate to limit that availability
of him.

1097
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:30,679
» Just have him work with HR so that the
pay doesn't

1098
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,679
get out of whack.

1099
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:37,679
I'd make a motion to go ahead and give
him that leeway to work with HR

1100
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:42,400
and [clears throat]
provide some

1101
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:47,840
have her give some guidance
as far as it doesn't get

1102
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:52,605
too kitty opposite for the lack of
better term. Um,

1103
01:26:50,585 --> 01:26:52,605
[clears throat and cough]

1104
01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:59,920
» I'll second the motion and I'm not
worried about the kill offices just get

1105
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,280
it done.
>> Right.

1106
01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:03,920
» Right.
>> Because it don't matter what the

1107
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,840
sheriff's office is doing if we don't
get it prosperous.

1108
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:08,560
» Right.
>> And handled the way they're supposed to

1109
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:13,600
be.
>> Yeah.

1110
01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:17,600
» And we're not doing our job.
So, we have a motion

1111
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:22,120
for
um Daniel to work with HR

1112
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:31,280
and move on with the process.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

1113
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:37,760
And a second.
Any other discussion?

1114
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:42,480
I'm I'm going to add that I'm really not
in favor of that because we had a HR

1115
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:48,880
come and try to fix what we did have a
mess in and now we're adjusting again.

1116
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:54,040
I'm not saying he doesn't have a need. I
don't mean that at all. But

1117
01:27:54,639 --> 01:28:09,679
» no, but but to work but to work with her
>> so that he's he's not

1118
01:28:06,639 --> 01:28:12,320
» he's not picking and choosing
the dollar amount

1119
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:16,800
» correct me
>> so that you're stay

1120
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:18,880
that's what you were getting at that
>> you know

1121
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:21,600
» there's still limitations
>> right

1122
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:25,280
» that he has to get finalized HR. He
can't just go out and say you're going

1123
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:29,880
to start at step 30. I'm just using
example 30 steps but

1124
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:39,840
» you know because of what she put
together

1125
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:41,840
» because of the 20 step or the 20 what
whatever she

1126
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:48,560
» and I think
>> and it does say in here if it was to go

1127
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:51,040
» shall not to exceed step five unless
it's approved by us

1128
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:56,080
» right
>> so there was that built in if there's

1129
01:28:53,760 --> 01:29:02,320
There's obviously a something out there
that it could be adjusted by

1130
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:08,360
» I just wanted to make sure Daniel knew
it was only the two positions so that

1131
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,360
this doesn't.

1132
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:16,719
» Yes.
>> Question.

1133
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:20,080
» Go ahead.
>> No need to vote.

1134
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:30,840
question.
>> So, we have a a motion. We have a

1135
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,840
second.

1136
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:35,320
Um, roll call, please.

1137
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:38,560
» Hold.
>> Nay.

1138
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:43,600
» Fred.
>> Yes.

1139
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:46,600
» Brown. Hi. Bulk.
>> Hi.

1140
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:58,920
Motion carries.

1141
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:07,679
Moving on to unfinished business. I
think the fence or slew discussion is

1142
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:11,520
basically at the appeal.
My opinion is we should just leave it at

1143
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:16,159
the appeal
until we get something back from there.

1144
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:21,920
I think Daniel gave an update to the
water board this morning that they're

1145
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:29,760
thinking the November 12th and 13th for
the administrative law judge to hear the

1146
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:36,719
case be at Bismar um and we'll get a
hearing notice here shortly with and

1147
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:42,080
then we're going to take um our SVPs
for so we can kind of give them a head

1148
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:47,520
count so we have a proper size group. So
those that are in attendance have the

1149
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:52,480
ability to sit and attend the hearing in
person.

1150
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:57,840
So but we should know that and we'll get
that word out to everybody when when the

1151
01:30:55,199 --> 01:31:03,480
administrative law judge
makes that final determination on the

1152
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,480
date and times.

1153
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:10,480
» I [snorts] don't know. Is that going to
be available to

1154
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:14,719
team or something to watch?
I would imagine it would be I think it's

1155
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:20,000
scheduled to be at the Department of
Water Resources. They do all their

1156
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:26,239
meetings via teams.
Um

1157
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:31,320
and it it shouldn't be a closed hearing
at all.

1158
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,320
So

1159
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:40,153
» any chance that it be 20 below that
morning?

1160
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,153
» Hey [laughter]

1161
01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:48,159
I had to get that in there. No,
[laughter]

1162
01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:53,440
» I'm not picking on you.
>> Fairly scheduled blizzard.

1163
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:57,760
» We got a lot of hot weather, so I
imagine it's going to go the other way

1164
01:31:54,880 --> 01:32:01,760
pretty soon, right? Stranger things
happen.

1165
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:07,520
» Don't average yourself. So,
>> that's right. So I think we leave that

1166
01:32:04,159 --> 01:32:10,719
just on the table
>> until we get this appeal and then

1167
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:13,760
» certainly the process
>> until we know what's going to happen

1168
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:17,280
with the appeal. It's kind of hard to
make any other decisions,

1169
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:23,920
» right?
>> We're all good with that.

1170
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:29,159
» Leave it tabled. Uh 2027 budget
um can be had.

1171
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:29,159
» Yep. There's

1172
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:33,840
» Yep. the Lake Region Heritage Center.

1173
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,600
Um

1174
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:45,120
they get like a quarter a quarter mil
>> and this was already fixing. This was

1175
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:48,960
already
>> Yep. I already figured it in.

1176
01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:53,760
» Now you're getting the paperwork. So the
seat

1177
01:32:50,239 --> 01:33:01,440
» and then the other one is um I always
provide you with the utilities.

1178
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:09,120
Um and then I did um like a column at
the end to show like increase decrease

1179
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:20,639
um the
you know the assessed value for I mean

1180
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:24,920
and I you know looks pretty good
utility wise. I mean,

1181
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:34,120
it usually goes the the other direction,
but

1182
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:41,920
so that's done. So then
>> So the increase is what's black.

1183
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:46,199
» Y decreases what?
>> Decreases red. Yeah.

1184
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:54,800
Yep.
And the bottom portion, the bottom

1185
01:33:50,239 --> 01:34:02,480
portion is what is like taxable value
and the top portion is just it is a

1186
01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:08,639
fixed um their terminology is it's
called it's just a fixed tax.

1187
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:12,080
Um
so that's just

1188
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:18,520
» because you get taxed.
>> Yeah, that's just what they'll pay.

1189
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,520
Any

1190
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,280
questions

1191
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:34,080
on where we're at with the budget?
>> So then the next meeting I'll have I'll

1192
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:40,639
have all the
all of the paperwork and everything with

1193
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:45,840
utilities.
>> So we have

1194
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:50,040
another meeting in September. When's the
final final for the

1195
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:55,120
budget?
>> October.

1196
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:59,280
» October. So, we'll have this next
meeting,

1197
01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:02,000
» this preliminary budget hearing
>> and then we have one more meeting after

1198
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:06,719
that unless we
>> unless you have a special meeting. Yep.

1199
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:11,840
» We're tracking.
>> Yep. Well, there's any questions after

1200
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:16,080
the next meeting and we would have a
special meeting so that we can make the

1201
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:24,960
decision.
>> So, possibility of two meetings prior to

1202
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:27,679
making a decision is kosher with that.
Just want to make sure that we're all

1203
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:31,120
tracking. The
>> budget has to be in place by the first

1204
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:35,120
meeting in October.
>> That's when it has to be decided.

1205
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:41,159
» What date is that?
>> October 7th. I think it is October 7th.

1206
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:51,040
» So I would say if if you don't have any
questions today, you're looking at

1207
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:55,360
something, please get what can be
>> so that we can have it up next meeting

1208
01:35:53,440 --> 01:36:00,719
with questions,
concerns, so that can [snorts] be

1209
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:07,280
deciphered and then
we can't make it this year and then we

1210
01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:11,480
have one special meeting. We have to
before our plan.

1211
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:18,000
Everybody hears I'm getting heads
nodding.

1212
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:21,000
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1213
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:29,760
» That's not nodding. So that's why I'm
not trying to call you out on you.

1214
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:34,480
» No, I'm just looking at my calendar.
>> October 6.

1215
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:39,320
» So October 6 would be the
final final

1216
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,320
Yeah,

1217
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:50,520
» second meeting September is is
>> I I think

1218
01:36:50,639 --> 01:36:54,000
» Yeah, because I don't know there's like
a week and a half in there,

1219
01:36:53,040 --> 01:37:01,119
» right?
>> Just because it's a long month.

1220
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:06,159
» So, we're all good there.
Moving on to

1221
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:11,280
the approval or new business would be
approve the subdivision ordinance. I did

1222
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:15,119
talk to Daniel on this. This was all
looked at.

1223
01:37:13,497 --> 01:37:20,520
[clears throat] He said it looks good to
go. It's just up to us.

1224
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:31,880
I I look through I didn't see anything
out of

1225
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,880
ordinary.

1226
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:42,440
We had talked about this last bill, last
meeting. Grant this is still draft

1227
01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:51,199
basically today we have made saying yes
this is what we would like to move on

1228
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:57,679
with or not.
>> I I think so I think this is I think

1229
01:37:55,040 --> 01:38:04,320
it's a good document.
Um, I think putting this in place the

1230
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:10,080
sooner would be beneficial.
>> So, do we want Daniel or the is it the

1231
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:15,920
board or Daniel that would produce the
final draft since this is the draft?

1232
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:20,560
» That's the planning.
>> So, the planning could bring us a final

1233
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:24,560
draft and then vote on it.
>> Well, I think this is the ordinance that

1234
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:34,080
we're be approving,
>> right? Okay. Yeah. So, yeah.

1235
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:37,920
They just they just left this because we
>> to see what the

1236
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:44,320
» So what we what we probably want to do
is appoint a a code administrator

1237
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:50,719
and I don't know that's something that
they're planning on contracting with the

1238
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:56,560
city with or
>> well that's that's something they

1239
01:38:53,360 --> 01:39:01,840
» or run that through um the assessor
office and that was something that we

1240
01:38:58,719 --> 01:39:07,600
had meeting
>> but we needed to know

1241
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:10,239
exact numbers so we know when we're
doing our budget

1242
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:12,800
» that it's in
>> right

1243
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:18,159
» and I believe there wasn't a month set
for that it was just are we going with

1244
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:22,400
Steve or how we working with it and I
believe when we were talking to Steve he

1245
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:24,639
would have liked it where us in the city
are

1246
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:33,119
My
>> was But wasn't that on the

1247
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:35,280
» building
permits?

1248
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:38,280
» That was right.
>> Yeah.

1249
01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:46,480
» So subdivisions
would be us

1250
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:51,679
» and basically we would use Steve for
that also.

1251
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:54,560
And the amounts were on the
preliminary for that.

1252
01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:58,719
» Yeah.
>> Because when we're talking subdivisions,

1253
01:39:56,159 --> 01:40:01,600
it's probably stuff that you and Steve
would have to I'm looking at Jason right

1254
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:06,920
now.
>> Yeah. I went to the meeting.

1255
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:20,080
» I guess
with the draft here, we can

1256
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:23,560
Make a motion to go ahead and approve
the draft estimated.

1257
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:31,960
» We have a motion and we have a second.
You want to do a roll call for this or

1258
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,960
just

1259
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:36,719
» We'll do a roll call.
>> Roll call, please.

1260
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,960
» Okay. His
>> hi.

1261
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,800
» F.
>> Yes.

1262
01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:46,159
» Brown.
>> I ful

1263
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:49,440
» I. Motion carries.
Guess the only other thing to decide

1264
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:55,280
then is
with Steve and we can talk about that.

1265
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:56,320
Make sure you guys look at that
>> so that

1266
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:59,119
» y
>> we can decide we're going to go with

1267
01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:03,679
that.
>> Thank you.

1268
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:06,679
» Visitors delegation
anybody

1269
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:13,480
portfolios. Anybody got anything their
portfolios?

1270
01:41:15,679 --> 01:41:19,159
What's that? Garland.

1271
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,800
» Visitors.

1272
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:29,719
» Can you come to the mic, please?

1273
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:49,040
» From Dro Township. I'm looking for a
little clarification.

1274
01:41:44,639 --> 01:41:57,480
When you guys did this Fox Lake Mercy
drain, did are you having did that have

1275
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:57,480
to go through the state too?

1276
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:06,159
» Yeah.
>> Fish and wildlife.

1277
01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:11,760
» Mostly fish and wildlife. No problem
with the state though.

1278
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:17,760
Why is the state giving you problems
on this fence or a slope? because Fox

1279
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:24,080
Lake went into a a another drain that
goes into that is already established.

1280
01:42:21,679 --> 01:42:29,199
Fencers didn't have a doesn't have a
drain out of it and so be creating a new

1281
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:32,960
one.
>> You can use existing but you can't

1282
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:37,600
create new is what they're saying.
>> Okay. Then well that brings up another

1283
01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:43,440
question. I'm looking at the snag and
clear that you're doing

1284
01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:46,840
and
I don't know

1285
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:58,239
seem like I'm not getting the
maybe you can clarify it for me

1286
01:42:54,880 --> 01:43:03,040
under the snag and clear
any question as to whether the board is

1287
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:07,600
maintaining a natural water course and
or constructing a drain or

1288
01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:13,119
reconstructing maintaining existing
assessment drain must be resolved by the

1289
01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:18,320
state by the department of water
resource. Now, is that the state

1290
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:24,480
department of water resource?
I would assume so. Right. Right.

1291
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:33,560
So, when do
I ask that question? The way you guys

1292
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:33,560
have been running the snag and clear now

1293
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:43,520
the water board brings over
as for

1294
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:47,280
they present the snag and clear to the
county

1295
01:43:45,440 --> 01:43:52,719
and
in that

1296
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:57,600
when they do it then they
have their whole board there and approve

1297
01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:57,600
the drain.

1298
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:06,960
the last couple times I've been here.
>> It's not to approve a drain. It's

1299
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:11,040
approved to clean out approve the snag
and clear.

1300
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:15,360
» And then they presented
>> of the existing drain. It's not to

1301
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:20,159
create a new one.
If not to create new drain.

1302
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:26,880
» So when do I when do I present the
question about whether this is a water

1303
01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:26,880
course or is it a drain?

1304
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:34,880
Well, at their meetings when they're
determining whether or not that

1305
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:42,159
qualifies as standing clear and that's
what they leave up to their engineer

1306
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:46,000
to to make that determination.
>> So you're you're asking where do you

1307
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:48,560
address it? I think the Yeah,
>> you would address it to them first,

1308
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,960
correct, Jeff?
>> Yeah,

1309
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:55,520
» you would you would address the water
boarding

1310
01:44:53,199 --> 01:45:00,880
firm. the engineering firm.
>> But it but it has it has to be

1311
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:04,800
presented.
It has to be approved by them and they

1312
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:10,080
don't approve it till they come over
here.

1313
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:13,520
» They they do public hearing.
They they've had public hearing on this.

1314
01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:18,719
» So why are they coming
>> send out letters? Why are they coming to

1315
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:24,880
the county commission meeting and then
approving their snag and clear

1316
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:29,040
and then you guys immediately approve it
afterwards? Because they, this is my

1317
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:36,800
understanding is when they come here to
do this to approve, they do a public

1318
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:43,440
hearing and then they approve after uh
the public gets to talk and then that's

1319
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:48,080
when they approve or not approve and
then it moves to us after that. So

1320
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:54,440
they're doing all three in one is my
understanding. Right, Jeff?

1321
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:54,440
» Right. County Commissioner.

1322
01:45:54,560 --> 01:46:02,000
» I realize that, but it doesn't.
>> I I understand what you're saying,

1323
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:05,040
Garland. You're asking why they don't
approve it prior, and I think it's

1324
01:46:03,679 --> 01:46:10,239
because they're doing the public
hearing, hearing from the public, and

1325
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:16,880
then they're approving
and then we're approving after that. So

1326
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:22,960
that we both So both entities hear from
the public and it's not

1327
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:25,360
dragging it out, if you want to call it
that.

1328
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:29,080
» But first, they have to get their
assessment approved.

1329
01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:38,639
That's what they send out the letters to
the people saying that it was approved

1330
01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:42,080
by their engineer and then they're
bringing it after the letters are

1331
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:45,920
getting sent out and that's when they
have the public hearing. And then after

1332
01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:49,040
they hear from the public, then that's
when they make their

1333
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:51,679
» That's when they send a letter out to
the people that are

1334
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:55,520
» prior to them coming.
>> No, but they they send it out prior to

1335
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:59,760
the public hearing
>> prior. That was all done prior to them

1336
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:02,560
coming here.
>> People will know what it's going to

1337
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:07,239
cost.
>> Yeah, I would assume that, but they

1338
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:14,719
» if it's worth it, if it's worth it to
them, that's what

1339
01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:18,280
» it's worth it to them. But uh the
adverse impact

1340
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:22,600
these u

1341
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:30,080
well I guess I'd want some more
clarification on whether it's a water

1342
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:35,679
course or not. A lot of these snag and
clears

1343
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:40,560
don't look like what it's termed as a
snag and clear under the administrative

1344
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:46,080
code.
under the minister clothe and snake and

1345
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:51,280
clear is to remove all fallen trees and
assorted debris

1346
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:59,840
associated debris
and what I what I've looked at

1347
01:47:56,719 --> 01:48:05,760
is not not that they've
they've uh

1348
01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:11,440
Morris and Dr. where they installed
three three culberts

1349
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:14,560
and lowered them probably. [laughter]
>> There's no culberts involved in stag and

1350
01:48:13,679 --> 01:48:18,639
clear.
>> I'm kidding me.

1351
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:21,280
» Let's take a ride out there. I'll show
you.

1352
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:26,159
» Well, if it is, it's not funded through
the snag and clear project.

1353
01:48:24,159 --> 01:48:34,440
It's under the road authority that would
be under that

1354
01:48:29,440 --> 01:48:34,440
where that culbert would be placed.

1355
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:39,600
Nobody's been out to look
>> on the snag and clears.

1356
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:43,639
» Yeah.
>> Yeah, I've been out to look.

1357
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:07,440
18 inch cover gets replaced with a 3-ft
culvert

1358
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:14,000
and the 18 stays there,
but the 3ft is about a foot and a half

1359
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:14,000
lower than the original

1360
01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:17,639
Pardon?

1361
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:25,639
» Yeah.
>> About a quarter mile from the terminal.

1362
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,840
» 24.

1363
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:46,040
So the 36 in is just there. The
local.

1364
01:49:55,760 --> 01:50:01,080
» Does that answer your question, Garland?
>> Not really.

1365
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:09,199
I don't know if you guys know you know
the concept of a closed basin. How can

1366
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:15,280
you take water
from the fence or slope non-navigable

1367
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:22,639
water
transfer it into the devil's reservoir

1368
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:26,040
and make it navigable water
and it impacts

1369
01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:35,840
few hundred people there too? Do you
have fully dement? Do you are you

1370
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:42,000
condemning more land
using that domain?

1371
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:49,280
But what gives
this board the authority to transfer

1372
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:55,280
water from one
closed subbasin

1373
01:50:52,320 --> 01:51:01,000
into another subbase or into another
basin?

1374
01:50:57,440 --> 01:51:01,000
It goes nowhere.

1375
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:13,440
You can't relocate water in a closed
basin where you're not going to

1376
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:20,960
adversely impact someone else.
Does that sound rational?

1377
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:23,679
And that's why this uh the fencer slooh
is in an appeal.

1378
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:30,639
» Pardon?
>> That's why the state obviously has said

1379
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:35,119
no to the fencer slooh. Yeah.
>> And

1380
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:40,239
that's where we're at at the issue that
we're at right now.

1381
01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:45,360
» It's in a appeal process. There's
nothing happening.

1382
01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:53,599
» So you're you're representing the rights
of the people around Fster Slooh

1383
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:56,800
above and beyond rights of the people in
the devil's

1384
01:51:54,560 --> 01:52:04,159
» sitt sitting here today garland. I don't
think anybody on this board is trying to

1385
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:10,159
» remove water from anybody on the um
personally I think it's more to remove

1386
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:12,719
water to save a road
>> infrastructure.

1387
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:15,599
» Infrastructure I don't think
>> What about the infrastructure?

1388
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:19,000
» Yep.
>> At the bottom

1389
01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:29,000
you [clears throat] been west of 20.
They looked at the roads out there.

1390
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:38,639
We can't even get the cemeteries out
there

1391
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:44,920
and get our own,
you know, probably has been in the

1392
01:52:40,719 --> 01:52:44,920
family for generations.

1393
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:51,159
We all know it.
You guys all know it.

1394
01:52:54,320 --> 01:53:02,880
Time for the
state to step up.

1395
01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:07,119
They've got what they want. You got the
Detroit lakes in North Dakota

1396
01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:10,800
and you're protecting the people
downstream.

1397
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:17,040
And I think we've asked that question to
the state several times that

1398
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:21,280
we want them to help.
They don't just want we don't just want

1399
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:25,040
it be put on us to try to make that
decision. We're we the state just like

1400
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:28,239
you have been.
>> It wouldn't be in Cass County. It

1401
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:34,159
wouldn't be in Burley County. It
wouldn't be in Grand Forks County,

1402
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:40,239
but we're accepting it here.
>> I don't think anybody's accepted it.

1403
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:44,320
Hey, you have forgotten all the battles
we have fought,

1404
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:49,199
you know, and we continue to fight them
on a daily basis.

1405
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:54,960
So, [clears throat]
you know, I appreciate your passion and

1406
01:53:52,080 --> 01:54:03,119
but I don't think that what we're
looking to try to improve on Ramsey for

1407
01:53:58,639 --> 01:54:09,280
to to continue to maintain that road is
going to affect anybody adversely

1408
01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:15,920
downstream from it.
If I did think that, I would

1409
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:19,679
» How could it not? How how will it It's a
very minute part of water.

1410
01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:26,000
» It's very minute, but you keep adding
minute notes upon my notes. It's pretty

1411
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:29,040
turn turned into what we have now.
>> So, we're supposed to just abandon the

1412
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:30,639
entire county.
>> No,

1413
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:36,880
» it's going to affect you.
>> No, but give the people

1414
01:54:34,719 --> 01:54:41,520
at the lower elevation some kind of
options.

1415
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:46,080
They're doing it in in the Fargo
diversion. They're protecting people

1416
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:50,800
there.
And we're doing the same thing here from

1417
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:55,599
protecting people from the flood
downstream

1418
01:54:52,880 --> 01:55:01,119
by projects that
have created a problem

1419
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:05,440
and that's way out of our hands. You you
know that just as well as we do. We

1420
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:09,840
didn't all of us sitting here did not
make the decision to hold the water

1421
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:13,760
where it's after today.
Oh, [laughter]

1422
01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:18,480
you can take the Hammer Sullivan grain.
You can take the Starkweather grain.

1423
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:22,119
They were all approved locally before it
went to the state.

1424
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:34,719
And you can take all these snagging
clears and they're approved locally

1425
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:38,920
before it goes to well, it doesn't go
hasn't gone to the state yet.

1426
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:48,639
But they all impact
people downstream.

1427
01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:55,760
You take go on your USGS today and
you'll find

1428
01:55:50,719 --> 01:56:02,560
the Edmore crib is putting out
more water than the other four around

1429
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:09,440
there at the same time.
Today

1430
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:14,679
Edmore Trib is double digit compared to
Mave Kulie at 1 CFS.

1431
01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:27,199
So we're continuing to do it.
So don't say it it's all the state

1432
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:30,199
because it's first got approved by the
counties

1433
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:34,199
county water board

1434
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:42,000
and it was sent to the state for cost
sharing. Yeah, the state state should

1435
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:47,679
have
stepped in and said something before

1436
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:51,480
they're saying it now. I don't know why
they're saying it now.

1437
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:58,880
But I like to make the case that they've
done it for the last three decades which

1438
01:56:56,400 --> 01:57:01,880
they haven't
completion.

1439
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:13,199
It's
just unjustness of it.

1440
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:19,840
People shouldn't be subjected to that.
Not in the

1441
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:23,960
state water commission. states that land
ownership is a fundamental

1442
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:31,840
fundamental to our democracy
and it's anything but in the Devil's

1443
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:37,440
Lake
Reservoir.

1444
01:57:34,239 --> 01:57:42,291
It's not a lake anymore.
I won't take any time. Thank you,

1445
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:46,920
Garland.
[clears throat and cough]

1446
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:46,920
Any

1447
01:57:47,679 --> 01:57:54,520
other visitors?
Hearing none. Portfolios.

1448
01:57:55,760 --> 01:58:01,760
Got a message from Paul. Wanted to
remind everybody about North Central

1449
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:07,199
Planning Council
is having a stake of region three on

1450
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:13,040
September 10th at Lake Region State
College from 11:30 to 1:30.

1451
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:18,800
um
cover what uh we heard that six county

1452
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:24,320
listening sessions housing innovative
projects happening across the region

1453
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:28,760
wrap up with a legislative panel lunch
will be provided. Please RSVP.

1454
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:36,040
» Thanks Jeff. Anybody else have anything
from their portfolio?

1455
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:47,320
hearing none.
Oh, during the meeting today. Thanks

1456
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:47,320
everybody.