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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to this special meeting of the Rancho Cordova

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City Council. We're going to ask our city clerk to call the roll. Councilmember Donald Terry is

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absent. Councilmember Gatewood will be joining us momentarily. This meeting is also noticed at

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another location you'll notice on the agenda at the City Hall in Auburn which is where Council

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Member Gaitwood will be joining us. Council Member Pulapati, Vice Mayor Sander, Mayor

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Butch. Here, thank you very much.

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It doesn't say

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so on the agenda but we are going to start our meeting tonight with the Pledge of Allegiance.

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And in place of an invocation, we will have a moment of heartfelt silence for the people

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in Maui who are struggling with the fires that they had just like Northern California has

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experienced in Paradise and Caldor Fire.

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So if you would rise, please, Michael Yearwood will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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right.

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Salute, everybody.

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Let's be up.

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of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible

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with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you all.

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And a moment of silence.

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Thank you.

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Please be seated.

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Stacy, would you read the technical data, please?

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Yes.

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So, first of all, I'd like everybody to know that tonight's meeting is being recorded

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And it will be available on the city's website within 48 hours of adjournment of this meeting.

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And I would also like to talk through the process for providing public comment before we move on to the first item on our agenda at a special meeting, which is what we're having tonight.

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citizens wishing to address the Council for any matter on the agenda may do so at the time that

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the matter is being discussed. Under the provisions of the California Government Code, the City Council

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is prohibited from discussing or taking action on any item, not on the agenda.

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To make a public comment, you may submit a speaker card to the City Clerk and the

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speaker cards are in the back of the Council chambers. If you are joining us via Zoom and

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And then you would like to make a public comment. You are welcome to use the raise hand feature at the bottom of the screen. If you are participating by telephone and you would like to submit a public comment you can press a strict and the number nine to raise your hand.

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And for those who are participating by zoom or telephone please wait to be called upon by the city clerk.

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We have two items on our agenda this evening, and you'll notice if you have an agenda or there's copies in the back of the room, those are items under 3.1 and 6.1, which is a closed session item.

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So we'll be taking public comment at the time that those two items are being heard.

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I'd also like to introduce translators this evening. We have translators here who will be translating in both Russian and Spanish, and I would like them to come up to the podium and introduce themselves.

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So if anybody is here and needs translation services, they know who to connect with.

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Hello, everyone. Good evening. My name is Tatyana Banderchuk. I'm a Ukrainian and Russian interpreter.

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If anyone needs interpretation, please go to the table at the end of the room.

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Hello, my name is Seresely Viera. I'm a Spanish interpreter.

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Si Ali necesita servicios de interpretación en español, por favor se acerca la mesa de atrás. Gracias.

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Again, ladies, welcome. Thank you so much.

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Okay, the items first item on the agenda tonight is so do you want me to make the public comment announcement or do you want if you've covered it.

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I covered it. Okay, great. Go ahead. All right, we're going to go ahead and discuss the first item item 3.1 the subject is a public hearing requesting public input regarding the composition of potential council election districts.

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districts, as the city is working to transition from at large to district-based elections for

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city council members, and possible continued discussion with and direction to staff and

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consultants regarding the number of districts, including whether or not to transition from

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an appointed mayor to a directly elected mayor.

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So we're going to turn this over to staff.

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So I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to start Mayor Budge.

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Go ahead. So there's a number of speakers tonight. I am the first of those. And then we will transition to our city attorney Adam Lindgren, Maria Chacon-Nistead, our communications director, and Shalice Tilton, who is our consultant this evening.

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Tonight's meeting is to provide education and it's to receive public comment regarding

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the composition of potential council election districts as the city is working to transition

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from an at-large election system to a district-based election system.

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Staff would like to highlight what initiated this request for this transition and the

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timeline for the process, where we are in this process. And we'd like to be able to

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share with you the resources that are available to the public. The city would also like to

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be able to gather input to identify the neighborhoods, which will help in the mapping process to

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be able to identify the districts. Also, the city council will need to determine the

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number of districts and to decide whether or not, as I mentioned earlier in the title,

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to transition from an appointed mayor to a directly elected mayor.

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So we're going to go ahead and we're going to start with one of the presentations that we shared at the Community Forum, which was on Thursday last week, April or August 10th.

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And some of you might not have been able to be there, so we do want to help catch you all up as to where we are in this process and continue to share information with you.

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This presentation was recorded and it is also available on the city's website. And so if you were not able to join us, then you will be able to watch it from there.

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The presentation that was shared on Thursday last week, August 10th, a couple of goals that we shared were with regards to providing key background information about district based elections and there was a demonstration of the mapping tool.

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The agenda for that evening was to discuss a threat of litigation that we had received and what some of those options are for the city.

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We talked about the process of a resolution of intent that the council did pass and adopt.

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We talked about the timeline that was required by law, public hearings and community forums that the city is conducting, community outreach and information that is available related to this topic.

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And there was a demonstration of the mapping tool and chelise tilton tonight will highlight that briefly for us as well.

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As we move forward to the next slide,

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so on June 7, 2023, the city did receive a letter

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from Attorney Scott J. Rafferty, and he asserted that the at-large election system violates

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the California Voting Rights Act, and threatens litigation if the city does not transition

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voluntarily to a district-based election system.

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12 days later, on June 19th, the city council did meet with staff in a closed session,

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and that is what took place throughout the month of June.

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Also, during that time, we engaged services with a professional demographer,

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and Chalice is here tonight representing National Demographics Corporation,

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And she will be here to share some information with us as well.

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So the city has a couple of options. One is to proceed with the conversion process.

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And we have started that.

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And I'll talk about that on the next slide.

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We also, number two, cannot proceed with the conversion process.

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We can assume a risk of a lawsuit, the legal fees that are associated with that.

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And we can have the court determine what those districts might be.

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Next slide.

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On July 17th, the city council did meet in a public setting and a council meeting.

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And there was a public discussion with regards to the potential transition from an at large to a district based election system.

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The City Council at that time did pass a resolution of intent declaring the city's intention to work through this process and to transition to district-based elections.

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Since that time, the City Council has also had a couple of other meetings. One was on August 7th. There was a public hearing that was held, and there was a community forum that was held last week as well.

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I can share some of those results with you as what transpired during those meetings, and then I will go ahead and I will turn it over to City Attorney Adam Lindgren to talk about the timeline.

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At the City Council meeting last week on August 7th, the City Council did provide direction to help narrow down the number of potential districts down to the following options.

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So districts, the numbers that they discussed in open session that also is available to the public.

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And you can hear that video online was five districts with a rotating council appointed mayor, six districts with an elected mayor, or seven districts with a rotating council appointed mayor.

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We did have a community forum last week on August 10th related to this topic that brought nearly 50 people together here at Rancho Cordova City Hall.

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And in a dot exercise that was conducted with those that were in attendance, we received some of the following input as to what they would like to see with regards to the number of districts.

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For five council districts with a rotating mayor, 24 members of the public expressed interest.

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For six council districts with an at-large elected mayor, four members of the public expressed interest.

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And for council districts, for seven council districts with a rotating mayor, two members of the public expressed interest at that meeting.

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And so tonight is our second public hearing in this process, and I'm going to turn it over to our city attorney Adam Lindgren to talk through that timeline.

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Thank you. Thank you, Stacy. Again, thank you, Mayor, Council, members of the community. Very briefly, the timeline required.

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My law is driven, again, by the California Voting Rights Act and we did talk at the workshop

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and I would certainly reiterate again here today that the city is taking this process incredibly

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seriously and with, and trying to do it in a way that is earnest and diligent and that

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that more than meets the requirements of law.

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We talked at the workshop about how this is grounded in the recognition by the state that

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minority votes were potentially being diluted by at-large elections, and more importantly

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and even more historically, rather, it's grounded in the civil rights laws and federal laws

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rooted in the Constitution that are aimed at protecting the rights of all voters.

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Please pick up.

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Sure. I'm sorry. Sure.

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And so, again, the law that we're in the process of working through and complying with the

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partition pursuant to is an important law that really addresses the rights of, is intended

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to address the rights of voters in the state and is rooted in the civil rights movement

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of and civil rights laws and a history of efforts to address those issues at the federal level

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and then to further address them at the state level. So we, again, the council gave us direction

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to begin the process of complying with the petition filed by Mr. Rafferty and we complied

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with the 45-day period in which to express the Council expressed its intention to proceed

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forward with this process and we're now in the 90-day period and holding those four hearings

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and going through the process of soliciting public input before the Council turns to the

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issue of discussing itself the maps and deciding upon the maps. Next slide.

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We have talked at length already in our prior public hearing in the postcards that have gone out to the council, to the entire community, and we will address in different ways this timeline and schedule again and again so that we hope that the public will clearly understand the timeline and the process.

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again, this is driven by the structure of state law and our intention to help the council be in a

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position to comply with the petition that Mr. Rafferty filed on behalf of residents in the community

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within the timeline that it provides. So this schedule has been created in an attempt to

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to maximize opportunities for public input and discussion within that timeframe, and

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we are proceeding forward through it. And right now, as the clerk said, in our second

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public hearing in that number 4 August 2023 step in this process, with that I'll turn

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it over to my colleague Maria to continue our presentation.

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Good evening, Honorable Mayor, Council members, members of the community.

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Maria Chaconista, Communications and Public Affairs Director.

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I will be talking primarily about the public hearings and community forums themselves,

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as well as how we, as a city and our city team, our work and our continuing to work

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to get the word out to the community. As you can see here, we will be holding a number

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of public hearings and community forums, as my colleagues have mentioned. The law does

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require that we hold at least four public hearings for the public to provide input.

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The city will be holding five public hearings and two community forums for a total of

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seven public hearings. Those of you who are participating may get tired of coming

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to City Hall, but we hope you still choose to do so.

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Each of the seven meetings will have translators for both our Spanish and Russian-speaking guests.

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And you can see here we have already met on August 7th and August 10th.

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Today is the 14th, and then we have meetings on August 29th, the 30th, the 18th, and

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the 2nd.

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Each of these meetings have a specific purpose according to the way that this process

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process works and so that information is here on the city website as well as in the postcard that you received and also in flyers that have been distributed and I'll talk about that moment.

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And if I may, I think you inadvertently the second time you said it said seven hearings and I think you meant seven meetings seven meetings sorry about that seven meetings.

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Thank you, Adam.

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So our community outreach, the goals of it have been to reach the community

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in both a broad and a targeted way and to use channels where we can meet residents where

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they are. And so no one way of reaching people was going to really work except for our city-wide

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postcard. And as I explained, and I see a few familiar faces in the room here tonight,

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I explained at the community forum on Thursday, it takes quite a bit of time and effort to get

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a citywide postcard produced, printed to the mailhouse and actually to the post office,

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and then into your mailbox. It actually takes about three weeks. We usually allow

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four-week period, time period, so that there is a week where people can go to their mailboxes

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And actually get the postcards so we knew that it was going to we were going to be working by the hair of our chinny chin chin to get it into the mailboxes and received by folks.

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However, we decided to do that because there are seven meetings.

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And we wanted to make sure that that you knew about all of the meetings so our understanding is that some people did receive it on Friday some people received it on Saturday some people received on Monday which was the first day of the

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hearing. For that reason, we did a broad distribution using some of our digital tools. Those include

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our news alerts, which go directly into your inbox, as well as Rancho Cordova News. A little

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plug for our digital newsletters here. If you haven't signed up for them, it's very

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easy to do so. You just go to cityof RanchoCordova.org and you simply add your email address

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and we will send you city news and city events three times a month.

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In addition to that, we are on a regular basis prior to each of the meetings putting it on

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social media.

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We do have several social media channels.

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We've got Facebook, Instagram, the channel formerly known as Twitter, which is now

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X, and Nextdoor.

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We do have a grapevine article that came out on Friday and an ad and public hearing

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notices.

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We also have a SACB public hearing notice that went in, but I think the biggest effort really

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is going into some grassroots, broad community outreach to drive folks to our meetings.

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And that is flyers to our diverse community and then flyers to our community partners.

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And so these have gone far and wide. They're all over town at this point.

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In fact, they're in Takarias now. I just dropped off some this morning.

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And so we're continuing to distribute them. They are at the Folsom Community Partnership,

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Folsom Cordova Community Partnership. We took out an ad and paid social media on Russian-American media

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to reach our Russian-speaking population.

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We do have these in Spanish-language businesses.

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They're at KP, Viva, Sunrise Indian Market,

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Mi Rancho, Halal Mart Market, and Afghan Supermarket.

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In addition to that, and I just wanted to,

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it's not on the screen, but we did some updated outreach

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toward the end of last week.

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And I want to thank our partners over at the

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the Cordova Recreation and Park District for putting it in all of their public centers.

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As I mentioned, we have them in some taquerias around town.

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We have given them to apartment complex managers and some of our in-language communities.

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Our faith community has really stepped up and is also distributing it to their folks.

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Rotary and the Elks Lodge is also providing it to their membership.

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And we also have it, we will have it at the Rancho Cordova Library. It's not there yet, but it is at the Folsom Lake College Rancho Cordova Center, Ukrainian House, and we'll be getting it to the post office as well.

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In addition to that, we have provided flyers to our community partners like the Cordova Community Council, our Chamber, the Explorer Program, Children's Museum, and then all of our school districts.

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And we I do want to thank them for sending it out to their membership. So we literally is has gone out to, you know, in every way that we can think of but if you can think of a way that we haven't thought of we are very open to that feedback.

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In addition to that, one of the mainstays of getting the word out is making sure that there is a hub of information where everyone can go, and it's a one stop shop for all of the district in information and that is at the city website city branch of Cordova.org forward slash districts.

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I'm going to take just a few minutes and walk you through where you can find the information. If I can borrow your.

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So what I'm going to do is I'm just going to walk you all through the ways

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in which you can get to the district website as well as where all of the information can

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be found. This was very helpful on Thursday when we had our community forum, got a lot

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of positive feedback on it, so you can bear with me. I will drive this train and show

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you all where you can find the information. Thank you, Persephone.

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So this is our city

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website, city RanchoCordova.org. You can get directly to the district page if you type

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in up here, forward slash districts. There's several ways that you can get to it from

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the city website. If you go to the residents tab, you can go to community topics and

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you can scroll down here to district-based elections. And if you click there, it'll

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take you to the district page. You can also find it.

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button here on the home page where you can find it. So if you're not looking under residents

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and community topics, you can find it right here on the home page. It's also in our

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spotlight and it is also on our news page. So several ways to find it on our,

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home page. So now we're on the district elections web page and all of the information, the feedback

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that we've been getting from the community is what if I miss a meeting? What happens then?

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Am I out of the loop? Will I not know what's going on? And the answer is simply come to this

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page and all of the information will be there for you including videotapes of the meetings

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and all of the information that we're providing this evening. So it includes why is this

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change occurring, gives you a brief description, and then you can read the letter there. What's the

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timeline? You can read the resolution here. The timeline that we just went over is also right here.

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How to participate. So you can go to any number of pages on this site. You can go to the schedule

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page, which I'm going to go to right now and show you that each of the meetings is

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listed here and then over to your right, you can click on any of the background information

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and get that.

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You can get the agendas, the notice, the presentation, the recording for any of the

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meetings that have occurred.

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you scroll down further, you will find the seven meetings listed right here and

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And you also have links to public transportation if you would like to use that to get to City Hall, and then we also have the postcards here in English, Russian, and Spanish.

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So, I think everyone here today is real interested in finding out a little bit more about the maps and the mapping tool. So I'm going to hand it over to Charlize to go over that information for you.

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And as we transition, so I would just say one other quick thing about the outreach.

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Again, we're very pleased to have NBC here.

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And they are one of the most respected and prolific consultants for that have helped other communities make this transition throughout the state.

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And when we were presented with their package of tools to engage in public outreach and to do this mapping process, the staff and the city manager recommended that the city use all of them.

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And, and beyond using all of their, their, their regular tools plus their supplemental tools that they recommended including the mapping tools some of the mapping tools you'll hear about in just a minute.

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Thank you.

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And we also asked for additional services, including in-person attendance at all of these

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meetings and certainly looked to make sure that we were fully utilizing all of the services

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for outreach that they provide to even their most diligent clients.

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Thank you. We're going to go ahead and get started with the legal part of it, going

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through the same presentation, largely the same that you saw on August 7th. And that

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is by design because the law requires that we hold two public hearings before the council

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can start to deliberate and discuss bounce. So this is information that was presented on August 7

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and then if we have time and if it pleases the council we can just demo some of the tools a little

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bit that Maria already showed you how to navigate to.

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So when we're talking elections systems,

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the city currently has an out-large system. Other terminology you'll hear are from district

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district or by district or residence districts. That simply means that the city would go

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ahead and draw districts, but and and there would be a candidate from who resides in each

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of those districts, but everyone at large votes for that candidate. The problems with

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an at large and a from district or residence district is that you would still be subject

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potentially to a California Voting Rights Act lawsuit. So the only system that would

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resolve the city from being subjected to litigation under the CVRA is a by-district system and

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that is the reason why the council adopted its resolution of intention to pursue that

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by-district path. In that case, so there will be a certain number of districts that

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are drawn. The candidate must be residing that district and only voters within that

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district who vote on that particular candidate.

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Some things that are not included, although

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they do come up and we try to keep the conversation focused on districts, our term limits, council pay,

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full-time versus part-time council, and strong mayor, a form of government.

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Strong mayor is only available for charter cities and in that case a charter city

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could have a strong mayor. The strong mayor would act in a more administrative role and have

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administrative duties. There's usually only for cities over 500,000 that pursue that path

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there's only a handful in California. You will hear directly elected mayor and you will hear the

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term rotating mayor which is what we currently have, where rotating mayor, one of the council

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members is selected every year to serve in that capacity. Directly elected mayor, it would be just

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what it sounds like to be directly elected. They have no more power or no more responsibility

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than what they currently have. So they would currently your mayor has certain duties that

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would largely not change if you had a directly elected mayor. The council as your city clerk

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already mentioned has narrowed it down to the number of districts to be either five, six or seven.

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So it would be only under a six district plan if that were if that a six district plan were

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selected that you would have a directly elected mayor. In that case, that person could reside

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anywhere in the city and would be voted upon by all members of the city.

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Mr. Lingorn already mentioned the California Voting Rights Act. That's why we are here. The

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California Voting Rights Act was predicated on the Federal Voting Rights Act. However,

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However, it removed two of the tests that jurisdictions must fail in order to face litigation.

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And so largely what we have is the California Boarding Rights Act liability is now determined

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if there is a presence of racially polarized voting.

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California Binding Rights Act has actually been in effect now for over 20 years.

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You can see the impact that it has had on jurisdictions financially. Those that have felt that there may not be racial polarized voting and decided to pursue the path of trying to challenge a lawsuit.

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Or prior to 2008, you really didn't have a choice to voluntarily convert. You were just prior to 2008, you were just served with a lawsuit and you had no choice but to enter into litigation.

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So now that the law has changed and as your city attorney has spelled out, we do have this safe harbor period where the city can avoid these expensive lawsuits and settlements and voluntarily choose to go to voting districts and save that legal expense.

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This is just another view of the timeline was already explained to you by Maria.

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We are now in the second hearing number two, the official public hearing.

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We've already held one community forum in addition to the public hearing that was held on August 7th.

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We are asking the public to submit their maps to us by August 18th.

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That will give us enough time to get them produced and posted.

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The law requires we post them seven days in advance before you consider them at the next hearing on August 29th.

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That will be the first time that the council can actually discuss draft maps.

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So the council will be seeing the maps the same time as the public sees the maps.

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NDC has been tasked with producing all the maps that have been submitted.

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They will all be presented to the council in uniform, one uniform format, and all the

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maps will be treated equally.

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So the first time the council will see the maps, at the same time that the public

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we'll see the maps and then we'll deliberate on the maps on August 29th. From then we will have

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an additional community forum. Hopefully the council will give us some direction on at least

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maybe narrowing down some maps on that August 29th meeting. We'll have our community forum

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on August 30th to kind of hone in on those focus maps and then asking for any revisions

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to those focus maps. And at the next time that the council will be deliberating on the

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final maps will be on September 18th with final selection and adoption, ultimate adoption on

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October 2nd. All of this is as Maria pointed out on the city's website.

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There are some rules that

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we must follow when we draw the maps. The first are the federal laws. The federal laws require

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the equal population in each of the districts, whether it's five, six, or seven.

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Based on, we must use the numbers from the 2020 census.

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We recognize there have been new residences built since to the 2020 census.

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There could be some problems with possible undercounting.

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All those issues are set aside, and we must use the numbers that are provided by the

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federal census for this purpose.

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We also must abide by the Federal Voting Rights Act, and we cannot draw boundaries

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in a way that would dilute the voting strength of our protected class groups and no racial

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gerrymandering. So what that means is why waste can be a consideration it cannot be the

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predominant or only consideration when you're drawing a map.

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California has some criteria

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for cities to follow. The city is following those and we will be as NDC consultants we

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will point out to the city if we see that there are any maps that are submitted that

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may not meet these criteria. Geographically continuous, so each of there must just be

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one single solid border for each district. Undivided neighborhoods and communities of

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interests, meaning that we want to identify and that's one of the big reasons for this

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public caring is you want to hear from the community what those neighborhoods are,

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what those communities of interest are so they can be respected. We try for easily

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easily identifiable boundaries using major streets, canals, railroads, something you

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can, I generally tell my clients if you can describe it, then you've done a pretty good

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job at meeting easily identified boundaries.

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And then compactness, and compactness, especially when you have odd shaped cities, compactness

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isn't always just mean a square block, square blocked map, and sometimes compactness can

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look very different depending on the kind of geographic layout of your city and where the

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population lies. But what we don't want to do is bypass one group of residents or one group of

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people to get to a more distant group of like-minded people. And we can't draw boundaries that favor

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or discriminate against political party. Once we've met the federal and state laws,

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then we can look at the other traditional principles such as respecting footage choices

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and continuity in office, and we can slightly adjust for future growth.

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But we do have a limitation when I'm talking about equal population.

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They don't need to be exactly equal, but they cannot be no more than a 10% difference

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between the least populated district and the greatest populated district.

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So when we're talking for counting for future population growth, you can slightly underpopulated district, but you still need to be within that 10% range between the least populated and the greatest populated.

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So it's only slight possibility of underpopulated in a district.

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When we're with each of the maps that are submitted will be given a demographic summary. So we'll be producing the map in a uniform format and then we'll be also providing various demographic information for each of the districts.

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So what you'll see is information on total population, citizen voting age population.

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We do have other information on some socioeconomic statistics and what it will be provided for each of the districts.

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So if you're submitting a five district math, they'll actually have five separate columns for each of the districts that shows how each of the district is balancing out.

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When we're talking about the voting strength of a protected class group, we will look at the citizen voting age population.

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That's what the courts look out when they see if a map has been drawn that may dilute the voting strength of our citizen voting age population.

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So those are U.S. citizens of 18 years of age and older, not necessarily registered to vote but eligible to vote.

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Since we are going forward right at this moment, and that may change later today, but with either five, six, or seven, we give you the ideal population for each of the districts.

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And you'll see it on the left-hand side. You'll see it throughout the tools.

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But because the population is 79,643 as of the 2020 census, then each of, if you have a five-district plan, you'll want 15,929.

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Is your ideal population, give or take a few percentages.

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Six, for a six-district plan, 13,274 and a seven-district plan, 11,378.

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we are looking to draw maps that give consideration to our protected class concentrations,

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we do provide some maps that provide an indication of where those particular class groups reside.

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We really see some concentration of our Asian American population concentrated around Stone Creek, Tuscany Park, and around Anatolia.

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We don't necessarily have any strong, strongly geographic concentrated areas of our Latino or African American community.

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So it's, in some jurisdictions it's very obvious and it's just not as obvious when you're looking at these concentration maps.

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But you know your neighborhoods.

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So what we're really hoping to hear, and I did get a chance to view your previous other two meetings, and we heard a lot of talk about the five, six or seven, we heard a lot of talk about wanting to have diversification.

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But we want to really hear about what you think to find your neighborhood, and it's very helpful if you give us some geographic boundaries.

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So just as I spoke earlier about easily identifiable boundaries, think along those terms.

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So when you're saying that your neighborhood should be kept together, if you can verbalize those boundaries, yes, we all have maps, but everyone has a different idea of what their neighborhood is.

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So if you can give geographical boundaries and what neighborhoods may other neighborhoods, maybe adjacent neighborhoods might might want to fit with your neighborhood or not fit with your neighborhood.

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All that information is really useful and that's a good use for these public hearings is for us to actually have that information.

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So when we're drawing maps and evaluating maps that we have that input from you.

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Beyond the geographic boundaries of your neighborhoods, we also want to hear about communities of interest. So there could there could be areas of town that share same same concerns.

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Maybe they have concerns about housing or traffic or other environmental concerns.

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We want to hear this as well.

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So if you can tell us that a community that you align with because you shared the same commonalities,

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we absolutely want to hear about this.

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And if you can describe that as well in geographic terms, that helps us as we moving forward

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so they make sure that those communities of interest are respected. Also, sometimes in a

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community can be benefited from having more than one representative and we want to hear from that

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as well. I can give an example of that as maybe a downtown area that maybe there's an

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economic growth area that may benefit from having one or two council members. So the

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The district boundary lines would be drawn so that there would be two districts that touch that particular area so you have more than one input.

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So if there are those areas that could benefit.

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We have a lot of feedback from having the maps drawn in such a way that there would be two or more districts that would touch that area. We also want to hear about that as well.

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And then we already did a demo of the project website. And this is the shortcut to get to it. You saw, I think, five or six ways to get to your website.

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draw RanchoCordova.org. We'll get you directly to the website page.

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different tools and as your city attorney mentioned the city council has

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made the decision to make everything that's available available to the public

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and the council it was important that they met the public at their level so

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we have everything from a very basic paper tool where you don't need to

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even have a computer you can just pick up a paper map from city hall

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here or have one sent to you, and the population numbers are written for you on that map, so

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you can actually draw and calculate the proper number of districts.

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I'm going to quickly go through the tools just on paper here, and then if the council

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would like me to show quickly some tools, we can do that or we can save that for the

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next community forum.

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On my interactive review map, it works very similar to Google Maps.

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This map is live and available now. This is not a map drawing tool,

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but it is a tool that you will use when you are evaluating maps,

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and it's also very useful when you're drawing maps.

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So when you bring up your paper map, sometimes it's difficult to know where the streets are

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because we are paying attention to where the population is concentrated, so you can use this

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review map in conjunction with it and what will show you where the street lines on you can zoom

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in very closely. You can even type in your own address. It also will give you more information too

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about census blocks. Census blocks are important. That's the smallest geographic unit that we'll

400
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:15,900
using to count population for the districts. So if you don't like our paper map and how we

401
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:22,200
kind of bunch together the population units, you can go to this map and zoom into the census

402
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,320
blocks and get a further breakdown of where the population lies. But we must follow the

403
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:33,980
boundaries of the census blocks. So that also kind of makes map drawing a little bit interesting.

404
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:45,920
If we had a perfectly square city with perfectly square city blocks that would not, and the population was evenly distributed, it would be very easy to understand how census blocks are drawn.

405
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:58,080
When you start drawing your maps and you want a line to go a specific way and it's not doing it for you. It's because the federal government has drawn the census block differently than what you have in mind.

406
00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:14,880
That's why this interactive review map is useful because you can look at the sea though the census block is giant. It's taking up a great big area of maybe an unpopulated area or just an area that is just oddly drawn.

407
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:25,160
So sometimes it's a little frustrating, especially when you have a city as we do here with a lot of cul-de-sacs. The census blocks lines get a little funky.

408
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:34,740
So, but we must follow that census block geography so that we can attest to the accuracy of our population counts.

409
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,420
Once maps are drawn, they'll also be uploaded.

410
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And we've met the deadline. So after the next deadline, the deadline for posting the maps, they will be posted also on this interactive review map.

411
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So you'll be able to see the PDFs from the website of the maps that are drawn.

412
00:48:55,180 --> 00:48:59,720
And then you can also go to the interactive review map and zoom in to maps that are submitted.

413
00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:02,800
You can overlap one map on top of another.

414
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:10,060
So the interactive review map is a useful tool, and it's pretty intuitive because most of us use Google Maps.

415
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:18,060
The public participation kit is the paper map I spoke of. You can access it from the website or

416
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:23,840
pick up a hard copy here at City Hall or ask the one be sent to you. And this has population

417
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:31,000
counts by population units. Population units are created by us. They're groupings of various

418
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:31,860
census blocks.

419
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,860
If you don't like how it's drawn, again, you can just give us the street where

420
00:49:37,860 --> 00:49:43,320
you want your line to go, you can use the interactive review map to make sure you're

421
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,220
following the line of a census block.

422
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:50,920
And the online map drawing tool is called Dave's redistricting app.

423
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,260
It's kind of a funky, simplified name.

424
00:49:54,240 --> 00:50:00,520
Dave and his team were actually Microsoft veterans, so they wanted a map that was simple

425
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,340
for the public to use throughout the United States in the districting process.

426
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:11,240
And they came up with a really good one. And it's easy to use. It's been very popular.

427
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,700
It's one that has risen to the top for us as demographers, as far as the public being able to use.

428
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:24,920
And there are simple videos for you to watch on how to use it. There's also a printout on how to use it.

429
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:30,380
And you can't go wrong. So you're not going to mess up a map. So feel free to play around.

430
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:33,800
Then once you have your map, then you'll be sending it onto the city.

431
00:50:34,140 --> 00:50:36,000
Can I ask you a question at this point?

432
00:50:37,420 --> 00:50:41,100
So you've just shown us the map of the census blocks.

433
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,660
But this map has way fewer areas.

434
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:49,620
Yes.

435
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:59,180
So how do we, how do we balance the two, which is more accurate or which, which map includes everything that was on another map.

436
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,860
Okay, when you're talking about what you're seeing on the screen right now and the population

437
00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:10,360
counts, is that what you're referring to or are you referring to the number of districts?

438
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:16,860
So you said that, no, not districts, has nothing to do with that. You said the census blocks

439
00:51:16,860 --> 00:51:23,900
would be used to count population. Yes. But there were way more census blocks in that

440
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:32,040
last map. I understand. Then there are groupings here. Yeah, the way the tool works is it's

441
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:38,540
a little bit tricky. And I can, when we go to Dave's, I can demo it in more in depth.

442
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:43,920
But what you're seeing right now is what Dave's first shows you the view of precincts,

443
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:49,500
which are larger than census blocks. And it's really hard to see, but you'll see

444
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:55,100
towards the top of the screen next to the drawing tools, its precinct is highlighted. That's

445
00:51:55,100 --> 00:52:01,300
the pink that's highlighted. And if you want to get to census blocks, you select blocks

446
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:07,340
and then you actually have to, what they call, shatter the precinct. So you'll start

447
00:52:07,340 --> 00:52:12,300
to draw your map, you go to where you want and you click on it, it will shatter that

448
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:16,160
upper layer that's just showing the precinct numbers and it will show you all those

449
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:23,760
census blocks. So it gets a little tricky. Okay, so let's be a little more simple. So we can jump

450
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:34,400
through as well. The large one that says 96, just because it's a really big one, can we be assured,

451
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:42,600
can anybody be assured, that all of the census blocks that include, that work on that other

452
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:56,540
map included in area 96 add up to 96. Yes. Okay. So the same for 2863 in Stone Creek.

453
00:52:57,140 --> 00:53:06,060
Mm-hmm. Everything that was in the census blocks in 2863 adds up to 2863. Yes.

454
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:11,140
Okay. I feel like we're talking about area 51 or something.

455
00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:17,580
Mary, if it would be helpful, I did. I did. This was the subject that was discussed at some length.

456
00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:29,100
You're a student comment is imagine at the, the workshop, and I think it'll come up in the demonstration, if you choose to receive the demo.

457
00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:34,740
By the way, I think it was demonstrated and explained what, what she just used what she just described.

458
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:35,820
Okay.

459
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:37,240
Thank you.

460
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,380
Yeah, that was a tricky one for me at first, too.

461
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,860
I was like, how do I see the census blocks?

462
00:53:44,180 --> 00:53:46,100
I selected census blocks, but I'm not seeing it.

463
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:46,840
You need an overlay.

464
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:48,720
Yeah, and it's an underlay.

465
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:49,740
That's the problem.

466
00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:52,000
Is your census blocks, is an underlay of this precinct.

467
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,940
So once you click on it, it gets rid of the overlay,

468
00:53:55,140 --> 00:53:57,220
and then you see that you're underlay of your census blocks.

469
00:53:57,380 --> 00:54:00,300
So you get the more detail.

470
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,820
And what you're seeing on the street now is the precinct's

471
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:11,920
higher level of the total sum of what's underneath that. Okay. It does help when you're drawing maps

472
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:18,580
if you can select by precinct just goes faster, but then you can find two at the census block level.

473
00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:24,520
Okay. Yeah, I'm with you. I feel your pain on that because that's one thing I struggled with

474
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:24,860
this long.

475
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,340
So tonight we will have the public hearing and then it's council's preference

476
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:37,120
whether you want me to show the demo some of the tools now or after the public hearing. Again,

477
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,940
we really want to hear about your neighborhoods. What are your neighborhoods? Give me those boundaries.

478
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:48,740
Any preferences on the number of districts five, six, or seven? And then questions about the

479
00:54:48,740 --> 00:54:56,500
mapping tools. And then we do are hoping to get some direction from council on the number

480
00:54:56,500 --> 00:55:02,020
of districts. I know that we have one council member who couldn't make it today, so I'm

481
00:55:02,020 --> 00:55:06,740
not sure that you're ready to move forward, but it does help the public if they can be

482
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:16,840
focused on a certain number of districts. In the meantime, there's a typo on this page.

483
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,920
That should say five, six, or seven.

484
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,320
Isn't that right?

485
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:30,420
So last week, on August 7, the council narrowed the options to five, six, or seven.

486
00:55:30,980 --> 00:55:34,180
We will get this changed on this slide.

487
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:35,820
Our apologies for that.

488
00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:39,240
We'll make sure that it's five, six, or seven.

489
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:49,610
And that concludes the presentation portion of my presentation.

490
00:55:49,610 --> 00:55:53,310
presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions. And then, again, if you want to go ahead and

491
00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:58,630
hold the public hearing, I can do the tools after or do the tools now. It's at your discretion.

492
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:07,320
What do you suggest?

493
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,520
Did you not go over the tools of the public workshop that you had?

494
00:56:10,940 --> 00:56:12,740
Oh, yes, they went over in detail.

495
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:16,740
And this entire presentation was done last time as well and at the public meeting?

496
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:23,820
What you just saw, yes. And the tools that recording of the workshop I understand

497
00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:25,340
is available on the website as well.

498
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:31,360
In the interest of time, Mayor, would it be better to go to the next steps rather than going looking at the tool again?

499
00:56:35,050 --> 00:56:37,910
Staff said there were 50 people here last time.

500
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,180
So it sounds like the majority of people here probably have seen the demonstration.

501
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:56,520
If I recall the original account was 49, as of the start of the meeting, we don't know exactly how many stayed for it, but I do think we would probably defer to NDC.

502
00:56:57,180 --> 00:57:10,420
It is really valuable to hear some of the kinds of input they asked for that are relevant to the satisfying the legal criteria of mapping and getting their input on what would satisfy those legal criteria.

503
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:28,040
So I think we would probably defer to chelise that hearing the public input, if you were to ask what you think having watched all of this process many times, is it most valuable to hear from the public now and if, if time permits to then demonstrate again that the mapping tool after that

504
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,060
would you make that suggestion.

505
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,880
Yes, and that would be the typical course.

506
00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:35,680
Okay, so we'll go to public comment now.

507
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:38,550
Okay.

508
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:40,230
Great.

509
00:57:43,550 --> 00:57:44,030
Stacy.

510
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:46,390
Mayor Budge, can you open the public hearing?

511
00:57:46,810 --> 00:57:47,170
Yes.

512
00:57:50,180 --> 00:57:50,720
Thank you.

513
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:55,100
The public hearing is open and we're going to go ahead and we're going to start with public comment.

514
00:57:55,300 --> 00:58:00,600
I'll start with speaker cards for those that I have received for individuals who are in the council chambers.

515
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:09,080
And then I will go to zoom and telephone and then I will read those names that we have received written public comment for via email.

516
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:19,060
The first person that I have received a speaker card for is Joyce Rosenberg. Joyce, if you'll come forward, you'll have up to three minutes to speak.

517
00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:28,600
week. Following Joyce will be Lisa Laguerre, Faiza Mugol, Joanne Ariane.

518
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:31,870
Thank you.

519
00:58:33,940 --> 00:58:34,460
And

520
00:58:34,460 --> 00:58:41,360
Darryl Langwell. We'll start with Joyce. Welcome, Joyce. Good evening, Mayor Budge,

521
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:47,220
council, staff. Thank you for explaining more to me. I didn't understand everything

522
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:54,980
before I came tonight, so I had less questions than I thought I'd have. However, I do have just

523
00:58:54,980 --> 00:59:01,640
a couple comments. Will, I know that I'm looking beyond everything that you talked about, but

524
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:09,100
will the voting for the district representatives be in the November election of next year,

525
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:14,260
or the June election, do you have ideas about that?

526
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:20,660
So, do we want to take comments and then answer questions,

527
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,300
or do you want to respond to questions as we go along?

528
00:59:24,140 --> 00:59:27,580
Yeah, we'll actually cap for those questions and be able to respond.

529
00:59:27,580 --> 00:59:28,540
Great questions, Joyce.

530
00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:31,960
We'll make a list and we'll answer those.

531
00:59:32,260 --> 00:59:34,720
Everybody wants to know how long they've got to run for office.

532
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:50,610
And the other thing I wanted to ask about the last meeting, you said that there were 50 people or 49 people.

533
00:59:51,090 --> 00:59:59,510
There were not very many dots on those. How many did you have, like, nine and four and two or something?

534
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:59,770
Yeah.

535
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,900
Total wasn't even 20. Is that right? So why are people not, I mean, I don't know why people are not, but maybe you do. Why are they not figuring out how many districts they want? It seems like a relatively simple question.

536
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:25,940
Although, when I think something is simple, obviously it's not. But that was my only, my main question because you all answered everything else I had thought of before I came. So thank you very much.

537
01:00:25,940 --> 01:00:29,500
Super. Thank you, Joyce. Lisa,

538
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:35,940
good evening.

539
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,940
Good evening. I've actually been on the mapping tool.

540
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:49,660
So I just want to give you guys the benefit of my sort of inexperience on it.

541
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:56,920
The first thing is they have provided some templates for five and six and seven districts.

542
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:02,100
I use those because it sets everything up for you.

543
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:07,020
So all of your colors, all of your population counts and everything else.

544
01:01:08,380 --> 01:01:13,620
The freeway is very strange on your maps.

545
01:01:13,860 --> 01:01:18,540
So I really couldn't tell that that was the freeway.

546
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:22,520
But you've asked us to give you the benefit of boundaries.

547
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:30,440
use Folsom Boulevard as a big boundary. Anything north of Folsom Boulevard has kind of a different

548
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:39,080
complexion to everything south. So I used Folsom Boulevard as really a demarcator on my on

549
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:47,280
my maps. I didn't know that I could split a precinct. So I really struggled with some

550
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:52,820
of those big precincts that I think I got some pretty compact maps. So I did four maps,

551
01:01:53,580 --> 01:02:03,300
two, four, five districts, and then one each or the others. And with respect to the number

552
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:11,340
of districts, my preference is five. So if anyone's keeping an informal count of what

553
01:02:11,340 --> 01:02:21,200
citizen preferences. My preference is five rotating mayor and the other thing that for

554
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:29,560
me at least I would like to know is if there is going to be at any point in time a referendum

555
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:37,280
that's put to the citizens of Rancho Cordova on what we actually want formally for vote

556
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:50,700
on districts in terms of five, six, seven, I have this impression that our voice and our

557
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:59,740
preferences may not hold when it comes to the final decision for the districting that's coming up

558
01:02:59,740 --> 01:03:01,740
for the election for November.

559
01:03:02,420 --> 01:03:07,860
So I really would advocate for something that's formalized

560
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,420
that's given to the citizens of Rancho Cordova to vote.

561
01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:12,960
Thanks.

562
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:14,680
Thank you, Lisa.

563
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,320
We're looking forward to seeing your maps.

564
01:03:18,020 --> 01:03:19,380
Fiza, welcome.

565
01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:20,540
Thank you.

566
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,000
Hi, my name is Fiza Mogul.

567
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:25,720
I'm a resident in the Lincoln Village community.

568
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:42,300
I lament the lack of a city led opportunity to work in concert with delegates from each underrepresented community in order to draw district boundaries such that the intimate knowledge of their communities could be integrated and respected by our maps.

569
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:51,480
I wish to be on record as objecting, especially and specifically to the lack of robust diverse in community outreach.

570
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:57,420
to engage minority populations regarding districting and the use of the map drawing tools.

571
01:03:58,220 --> 01:04:03,580
You've created barriers to participation that are discriminatory, unapproachable to many.

572
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:10,900
Flyering alone is neither due diligence nor comprehensive of an approach.

573
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:20,480
Furthermore, I object to the untimely public noticing of every resident regarding the upcoming public hearings and workshops about districting.

574
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:27,340
sent in the form of this blue postcard, which was not received by many in reasonable time

575
01:04:27,340 --> 01:04:33,740
for public hearing number one, which was August 7. Considering the demographic of underrepresented

576
01:04:33,740 --> 01:04:39,620
communities and the California Voting Rights Act violations that the city stands accused of,

577
01:04:40,420 --> 01:04:45,580
your unwillingness to conduct robust and diverse in-community engagement outreach

578
01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:51,540
is a legal liability as much as it is a missed opportunity. In spite of these

579
01:04:51,540 --> 01:04:56,380
barriers to participation I have managed to create a district map that seems to

580
01:04:56,380 --> 01:05:00,000
comply with the required population counts and standards of deviation which

581
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,980
I did submit today using the Dave mapping tool. Here I present 53 community

582
01:05:06,980 --> 01:05:12,880
signatures of support for a five district split with rotating mayors

583
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:20,140
as depicted by my design map. So it looks something like this. I did show this to all of my supporters

584
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:25,880
and I have here the signatures. I have scanned them and sent them to the clerk

585
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,100
a little late so it's not in the binder in the back but you should be receiving those.

586
01:05:33,260 --> 01:05:39,460
Yes and I have submitted justifications for my boundaries and my reasoning for the way I did

587
01:05:39,460 --> 01:05:43,060
You draw my district, so you will have copies of that.

588
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:44,440
Thank you very much.

589
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:45,440
Thank you, Faiza.

590
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:46,720
Joanne?

591
01:05:56,430 --> 01:06:00,930
I live in the area of Old Rancho, the original rancho.

592
01:06:01,170 --> 01:06:03,310
I live in the Wine Streets.

593
01:06:04,410 --> 01:06:10,330
And my area is bounded by Coloma Road,

594
01:06:10,790 --> 01:06:15,830
Sunrise, Zinfandel, and Folsom Boulevard.

595
01:06:15,830 --> 01:06:24,330
It contains Cordova High School, Mitchell and Mills Middle Schools, St. John

596
01:06:24,330 --> 01:06:34,850
Vianney Church, and the Food Locker. And I think it's basically the heart of

597
01:06:34,850 --> 01:06:38,450
Rancho Cordova where it started, where everything started.

598
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:43,670
It lived there since 1971, no, 1970, 1970.

599
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:54,170
So one of the things that I will have appreciated since I was here before cityhood, the struggle

600
01:06:54,170 --> 01:07:01,550
that we went through to become a city, the prejudice that we experienced from the Board

601
01:07:01,550 --> 01:07:13,070
of supervisors dumping any low-rent project into Rancho Cordova, because who cares? And

602
01:07:13,070 --> 01:07:22,610
we have worked very hard to become an outstanding city, which is, I'm so proud to be a resident

603
01:07:22,610 --> 01:07:34,930
of Rancho Cordova. And I would like us to have no more than five districts. I see the

604
01:07:34,930 --> 01:07:45,470
more districts we have, the more problems we have. I look at Sacramento City and they

605
01:07:45,470 --> 01:07:50,490
have their districts and each person that represents the district is just there for

606
01:07:50,490 --> 01:07:53,570
within a district and they don't get very much done,

607
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:56,170
at least in my opinion.

608
01:07:57,350 --> 01:08:00,610
I would vote for the five districts

609
01:08:00,610 --> 01:08:05,570
because I think the rotating mayor is really important.

610
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:09,390
It's important because they serve their term.

611
01:08:09,770 --> 01:08:13,010
They do what's best for the city

612
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:15,770
in conjunction with the other council members

613
01:08:16,190 --> 01:08:19,330
and nobody gets too much power for too long

614
01:08:19,330 --> 01:08:23,590
because they have been elected over and over again.

615
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:28,710
So that's, and I've surprised me that Linda and David

616
01:08:28,710 --> 01:08:30,930
both voted for the elected mayor.

617
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,360
I'm not guessing any, that was a joke.

618
01:08:37,480 --> 01:08:38,180
That was a joke.

619
01:08:39,140 --> 01:08:43,460
But so those were my points that I wanted to make.

620
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,180
I have no map to show

621
01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:49,440
and I probably wouldn't be smart enough to navigate

622
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:58,040
that site anyway. But I hope that you will take my thoughts into consideration. Thank you. Thank you, Joanne.

623
01:08:59,380 --> 01:09:11,600
Next speaker is Daryl Langwell. Daryl will be James Garcia, Sue Garcia, Scott Rafferty, and Sam Bakhta.

624
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,500
Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. Daryl Langwell, Vineyards and Neighborhood.

625
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:17,420
Welcome, Gerald.

626
01:09:17,740 --> 01:09:19,900
I'm glad this is finally coming about.

627
01:09:20,060 --> 01:09:24,160
I mentioned it a couple of times over the years, asking whom we're going to go to districts

628
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:28,640
but did not have the wherewithal to force this, and I'm glad somebody finally has.

629
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:34,380
I'm in favor of a five-member council with a rotating mayor.

630
01:09:34,900 --> 01:09:41,100
And if we are going to have another demonstration of the mapping program, please have somebody

631
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:43,080
use it that knows how to use it.

632
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,640
And please make sure that there are explanations

633
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,720
that people understand why it's being done that way.

634
01:09:48,940 --> 01:09:52,120
People were told they have to use a, create a login

635
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:53,060
and a password.

636
01:09:53,420 --> 01:09:56,400
It was not explained to the people why that's necessary,

637
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,300
but you have to do that to keep the map separate.

638
01:09:59,460 --> 01:10:02,260
You can't have me overwriting somebody else's map.

639
01:10:02,660 --> 01:10:06,360
So if there's more demonstrations, please make sure

640
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,380
that the people, that there's enough information

641
01:10:08,380 --> 01:10:09,660
that people know what they're,

642
01:10:10,460 --> 01:10:12,240
why they have to do what they do.

643
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:18,940
Thank you, Darryl. I know I was concerned about everybody having to do an URL, whatever that is.

644
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,660
I get it. Welcome, James.

645
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:26,480
Can you hear me okay.

646
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:31,280
Okay. I'm James Garcia, a member of Stone Creek neighborhood.

647
01:10:32,220 --> 01:10:37,440
First off, I'd like to start off by saying that I'm a favor of a five district map design with a rotating mayor.

648
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:46,860
I stated this during the regular city council meeting last week on August 7th, and once again voiced my opinion on this choice at the first community forum on August 10th.

649
01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:57,180
Listening to the others that spoke during both events last week, I have concluded that among those that have attended so far, majority has been requesting that we stick to the five district and rotating mayor.

650
01:10:57,780 --> 01:11:02,600
I'm aware that more public hearings and community forums are scheduled, but it would really help

651
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:08,720
to calm the nerves of many residents to establish a rationale for you on the Council as to why

652
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:13,160
any of you are in favor of more than five districts. Could it be for self-preservation

653
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,280
of having an opportunity to run for a seat on a Council again?

654
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,460
This is the overwhelming comment I have heard from others in the city when asked

655
01:11:21,930 --> 01:11:25,440
what they thought were the reasons behind the City Council considering more than

656
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:30,180
the current five council seats. As Scott Rafferty pointed out in his letter to the city,

657
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:35,480
the current makeup of the city council has three-fifths living in what is only one-fifth

658
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:41,140
of the population of the city. This does pose what would be considered an unfair representation

659
01:11:41,140 --> 01:11:46,240
of the populace by many. In the event the city council ignores most of the residents

660
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:51,100
and votes to have more than five districts, including that large mayor, this too would

661
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:55,480
place an unfair advantage back at the current council as they are used to

662
01:11:55,480 --> 01:12:00,200
running city-wide campaigns. During the 20th anniversary of the city concert

663
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,720
performance at Cordova High, one of the highlighting statements pointed out that

664
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:09,620
zip code 95742 was in the top three of the entire Sacramento region for

665
01:12:09,620 --> 01:12:13,520
median income. This too adds to the fact that currently three of the city

666
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:18,140
council members live in this zip code. I wanted to share with you pictures I

667
01:12:18,140 --> 01:12:19,480
I took from the community forum meeting.

668
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,580
Those were in attendance, were given stickers

669
01:12:22,580 --> 01:12:23,820
to place how they wanted.

670
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,300
And again, majority wanted five.

671
01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:27,980
Exactly, it was stated.

672
01:12:28,180 --> 01:12:30,240
24 wanted five districts.

673
01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:32,780
Four wanted the six with that large mayor

674
01:12:33,460 --> 01:12:36,460
and two wanted the council with seven with the rotating.

675
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,420
That's only 30 people.

676
01:12:38,140 --> 01:12:40,960
That means there were at least 19 people

677
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,140
that left that meeting because it took too long.

678
01:12:43,420 --> 01:12:45,960
There was definitely an issue with the map making tool.

679
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,640
the person could not, and even be admitted.

680
01:12:48,940 --> 01:12:49,360
Well, it's been a while.

681
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:50,380
I forgot how to do this.

682
01:12:50,580 --> 01:12:51,960
So he was not prepared.

683
01:12:52,940 --> 01:12:56,480
As far as other things, I think it's time.

684
01:12:57,220 --> 01:13:00,220
We need change and the people want it.

685
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:00,960
They want five.

686
01:13:01,740 --> 01:13:02,520
Please stop.

687
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:04,080
Is there anything else?

688
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:04,660
Thank you, James.

689
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:05,900
Sue,

690
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:18,480
welcome, Sue.

691
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:20,580
Thank you and good evening.

692
01:13:20,860 --> 01:13:21,840
My name is Sue Garcia.

693
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,080
I have lived in Lincoln Village since 1977.

694
01:13:25,940 --> 01:13:32,180
I've seen a lot of changes, but I want to go on record that I want five districts with

695
01:13:32,180 --> 01:13:33,540
a rotating mayor.

696
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:42,800
Lincoln Village and a lot of the other areas do not have good representation from our council

697
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:43,220
members.

698
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:51,940
And I think it's time that each district has a representative that will support the

699
01:13:51,940 --> 01:14:01,220
needs and desires of the community. So, I am hoping with me going on record that I want

700
01:14:01,220 --> 01:14:07,620
five districts, like I said, and a rotating mayor, that the council members take that into

701
01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:14,160
consideration and go with what the citizens want. Thank you.

702
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,900
Thank you, Sue. Scott?

703
01:14:27,950 --> 01:14:28,750
Scott Rafferty?

704
01:14:33,820 --> 01:14:34,460
Welcome, Scott.

705
01:14:34,460 --> 01:14:41,320
Thank you. And I want to thank you for putting my letter on the Internet. It's not a threat

706
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:46,420
of litigation. It's just a petition to comply with the law, which the city should have complied

707
01:14:46,420 --> 01:14:52,420
with when it was incorporated, frankly. And it's good law. It's not – it's good for

708
01:14:52,420 --> 01:14:58,920
voters of all races who want more competitive elections. And, you know, racially polarized

709
01:14:58,920 --> 01:14:59,160
There's one.

710
01:14:59,460 --> 01:14:59,980
It's every

711
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,240
And it means that blacks and Latinos and Asians, they have different life experiences and they vote

712
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:10,980
differently than white people. That's not a bad thing. What's bad is when it doesn't get recognized,

713
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:17,480
when those voices don't have equal weight. And at large is the ultimate gerrymandering,

714
01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:25,900
because you can't mount a campaign for city-wide office in a city this size if you're living

715
01:15:25,900 --> 01:15:33,620
in an apartment in Corovatown, and you face all the other obstacles of being effective

716
01:15:33,620 --> 01:15:43,460
politically as, you know, when I was lobbied for the 1975 Act to extend Section 5 to California.

717
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:51,940
And Don Edwards, who was the author of the original Act, told me that I was an idiot

718
01:15:51,940 --> 01:15:56,800
And that I knew nothing about California. Both of those things may well have been true.

719
01:15:57,180 --> 01:16:03,760
But he said, you will never have Latinos vote in California until somebody from their own neighborhood,

720
01:16:04,020 --> 01:16:10,640
in their own language, knocks on the door and tells them why it matters, what they can do on the city council.

721
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,760
That's what this is about. But it's about all neighborhoods.

722
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:19,760
I mean, the only way anybody has ever left this council is either to run for the assembly

723
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:32,560
or to pass away or to, by virtue of Ms. Pilipati's unprecedented victory, the first challenge to

724
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,000
be successful in the entire history of the city.

725
01:16:35,620 --> 01:16:38,120
So this isn't about incumbents.

726
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,260
And I take issue with three things that were said.

727
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,040
First of all, continuity in office?

728
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:49,300
No. This is the Voters' Rights Act. This is about communities selecting people.

729
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,120
It's neutral as to whether they're in common stay or go.

730
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,440
Secondly, the idea of splitting neighborhoods.

731
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:03,040
Well, your neighbors to the north are fighting to reverse 40 years of precedent in the Ninth Circuit.

732
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:06,280
I'm sure they spend a million dollars by now, but they're going to lose.

733
01:17:07,060 --> 01:17:08,900
That's antithetical to the Voting Rights Act.

734
01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:10,080
You don't split neighborhoods.

735
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:14,840
It's not better to have two representatives instead of one, because it means the high turnout

736
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,500
areas outvote the low turnout areas.

737
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,440
And finally, no concentration of blacks and Latinos in the city.

738
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:23,300
Please go to Cordova Town.

739
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,780
We can build one out of five districts, and that's critical in this case.

740
01:17:27,140 --> 01:17:30,780
One out of five districts is 20% black and 20% Latino.

741
01:17:31,260 --> 01:17:34,640
In Northern California, that is a phenomenal influence district.

742
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,900
One out of seven is for the dilution.

743
01:17:37,900 --> 01:17:45,400
So please get this done and five districts rotating there. There's no reason for that. No reason to do anything else.

744
01:17:45,620 --> 01:17:46,500
Please wrap up your comments.

745
01:17:47,380 --> 01:17:48,080
Thank you.

746
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:48,360
Thank you, Scott.

747
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:48,460
Thank you, Scott.

748
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:53,800
Sam Bakhta,

749
01:17:56,580 --> 01:18:02,760
following Sam, will be Lupe Hernandez, Helen Weyland-Bashaw, and Donnell Cummings.

750
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:04,140
Welcome, Sam.

751
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:14,880
Madam Mayor, honourable council members and my fellow neighbors, I am here to request you that you

752
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:21,500
decide on a district, how many districts as soon as possible. I am on the record, I think it's a

753
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:34,120
good idea to have five districts with the rotating mayor. The reason I'm saying that most of the

754
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:43,920
them I had five members, five council members. And the reason is that that if you see in our

755
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:50,840
neighboring cities like Folsom or Aranjok, Helgrove or so forth, most of the cities have

756
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:59,080
five districts. And as a representation, if you look at it, how many people in the

757
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:08,740
The Sacramento has almost 60,000 in their one district. Los Angeles has almost 300,000 per district.

758
01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:16,740
And so on, I can go for the statistic and so forth, wherever in the state of California.

759
01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:41,280
Yeah, so if we do fire and rotating members member of the million, we would have about 15,000 members members, people per district and that's not that many so fire with it by doing seven we are narrowing down we are splitting people and neighborhood and so forth in many districts.

760
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:49,020
In a way, last 20 years, the city council has done good and all members were elected at large.

761
01:19:49,260 --> 01:19:55,800
And everybody feel their own city rather than just the small, small districts.

762
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,680
When you divide in a district, there is some negative effect as well.

763
01:20:01,140 --> 01:20:04,960
And city council has done 20 years of good service.

764
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:11,200
And I am here, I'm not like other residents who are born here and what not, but I'm here

765
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:14,300
more than 15 years and this is my city.

766
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,500
And I believe council has done good.

767
01:20:17,740 --> 01:20:23,480
This council and the past council has done good for the city as general, they elected

768
01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:30,000
by every people and we are proud that the elected members for entire city, not just

769
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,940
by 10,000 or 15,000 people.

770
01:20:32,940 --> 01:20:42,120
But we have to follow the rules and I can understand some of the concern of the certain areas that's understandable.

771
01:20:42,860 --> 01:20:48,220
So I agree that we should have a five-day strike with the rotating member.

772
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:51,360
The rotating member I request is this.

773
01:20:51,620 --> 01:20:54,020
This is also, think about it.

774
01:20:54,020 --> 01:21:01,500
But if it's at large, we will run into similar situations, similar problems, and it would

775
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:02,160
be challenging.

776
01:21:02,620 --> 01:21:05,860
Again, maybe not right now, it doesn't look like.

777
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:11,640
But 10 years, 15 years from now, we will facing that problem too.

778
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:13,700
Please wrap up your comments.

779
01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:21,420
Because that would also involve minorities and ethnicity and whatnot.

780
01:21:21,420 --> 01:21:30,460
or not. So this rotating measure and I request humbly that please decide on a district so

781
01:21:30,460 --> 01:21:37,280
citizen can go step energy for the map. We appreciate your comments. Thank you. Thank

782
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:38,360
you. Lupe,

783
01:21:46,740 --> 01:21:54,880
welcome Lupe. Good afternoon everybody, mayor, city council, staff, neighbors. I'd

784
01:21:54,880 --> 01:22:02,260
to clarify for this gentleman, we're not going to go at large again. It's going to happen now

785
01:22:02,940 --> 01:22:10,920
as it's happening. We're not going to revisit districtee again because the law has been broken.

786
01:22:11,140 --> 01:22:16,080
We're not in compliance. And I'm trying to explain to him nobody.

787
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:19,460
It's okay, Lupi. We would like to hear your comments.

788
01:22:19,460 --> 01:22:27,340
Well, my comment is that this is the misinformation and the misinterpretation of what this is

789
01:22:27,340 --> 01:22:27,660
about.

790
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:34,400
I have two additional neighbors here from the White Rock area, although they're not

791
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,860
directly in the middle of the White Rock area.

792
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:42,040
This map, I can't even figure out which one's Folsom Boulevard and which one's Highway

793
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:42,580
50.

794
01:22:44,540 --> 01:22:50,700
I know that I'm in being from Sun River or living in Sun River right now.

795
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,440
I can find where I'm at.

796
01:22:54,240 --> 01:23:02,260
The yellow that you have drawn through here, is that Folsom Boulevard on this map, on

797
01:23:02,260 --> 01:23:05,100
this handout that you gave to us at the last meeting?

798
01:23:06,500 --> 01:23:07,740
We don't know, Lupi.

799
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:11,580
Nobody knows because, see, and this is the miscommunication that we're having

800
01:23:11,580 --> 01:23:12,620
to deal with right now.

801
01:23:12,620 --> 01:23:18,680
Now, this is my time to speak, and this is what I'm saying, is that our neighbors, our

802
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:25,440
friends, the folks that do not have access to a computer, they're not online, they're

803
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:29,720
not able to participate because they don't have the tools.

804
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:38,220
These meetings need to go in a more remote outreach fashion.

805
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:41,500
Isn't the library in Rancho Cordova?

806
01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:42,240
No.

807
01:23:42,820 --> 01:23:45,560
Couldn't we use it as a locale?

808
01:23:45,780 --> 01:23:47,700
It does not have any public transportation.

809
01:23:48,780 --> 01:23:56,440
Even having a meeting at the White Rock Community Central and White Rock Road across from White

810
01:23:56,440 --> 01:24:02,080
Rock Elementary, there's a huge population there in the White Rock area that need to

811
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:14,240
be informed, educated. The postcard went out in English, even though if you say it in English,

812
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:24,180
you know, and you tell us here that you have interpreters, folks are not, you're not listening

813
01:24:24,180 --> 01:24:30,480
to what the public is saying. I'm not sure if you're turning a deaf ear to what the

814
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:34,420
What the public is saying, but what are you going to say, Linda?

815
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,420
It does have Spanish and Russian on it.

816
01:24:38,580 --> 01:24:39,040
But it's English.

817
01:24:39,460 --> 01:24:39,900
It's in English.

818
01:24:40,140 --> 01:24:40,480
No, no, no.

819
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:40,960
At the bottom.

820
01:24:41,740 --> 01:24:42,520
At the bottom.

821
01:24:42,940 --> 01:24:43,560
At the bottom.

822
01:24:44,060 --> 01:24:44,360
Okay.

823
01:24:44,740 --> 01:24:45,480
Present that on.

824
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:46,280
Servicios.

825
01:24:46,860 --> 01:24:52,860
And so are these tools, and you know, there's a big disconnect because the individuals

826
01:24:52,860 --> 01:24:57,380
that you're trying to reach, that we're trying to reach, that we want to engage

827
01:24:57,380 --> 01:25:00,760
and bring into the discussion are not being reached.

828
01:25:03,260 --> 01:25:05,580
I don't know how us to say it, you know,

829
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,620
but there is a terrible, there's a disconnect here.

830
01:25:09,900 --> 01:25:14,660
Okay, we appreciate your comments. Would you like to express a preference for a certain

831
01:25:14,660 --> 01:25:15,380
number of districts?

832
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:17,800
Five districts. Okay.

833
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:29,340
with a rotating mayor. And it's, you know, I'm just annoyed, frustrated, and just really,

834
01:25:29,460 --> 01:25:36,640
really, I don't, I feel that you're not listening. Thank you, Lupe. Helen.

835
01:25:41,550 --> 01:25:42,790
Hello, everyone. I'm

836
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:51,170
Helen Bashaw and I live over in the Tiffany area. Welcome, Helen. Hi. I vote for five districts

837
01:25:51,170 --> 01:25:59,490
with a rotating mayor because more people running the city mean more problems. I feel

838
01:25:59,490 --> 01:26:05,630
the current number can address the issues once they are spread out in the appropriate areas.

839
01:26:06,110 --> 01:26:12,330
I don't necessarily believe the Folsom Boulevard should be a dividing line. I believe that if

840
01:26:12,330 --> 01:26:19,010
you kept Lincoln Village with all the other communities near them, they would be in a

841
01:26:19,010 --> 01:26:25,370
the service. I believe Lincoln Village should come with, you should come in the Rancho Cordova

842
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:31,650
off of Folsom Boulevard, grab the bottom half and the top half, and put that as one district.

843
01:26:32,050 --> 01:26:40,970
Because I believe by bringing Lincoln Village with the people on the other side of Folsom

844
01:26:40,970 --> 01:26:47,270
Boulevard, they'll get a better representation. They might get more funding that they need

845
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:55,370
by keeping all the communities that are in the same economical status in one area you're not

846
01:26:56,190 --> 01:27:01,810
necessarily going to serve the people you can't we don't know how you're going to split the money

847
01:27:01,810 --> 01:27:08,290
when you come to a five-way split and if you split it just on a five-way split not look at the

848
01:27:08,290 --> 01:27:13,930
economical needs and the repair needs in certain communities it's going to be a disservice to

849
01:27:13,930 --> 01:27:23,390
places like Lincoln Village. I also believe that the Anatola area will be better served

850
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:30,010
because I only have one person instead of three, which would be good for everybody. I do believe

851
01:27:30,010 --> 01:27:36,650
that we have an outreach to the right group. You have a lot of people here that have been

852
01:27:36,650 --> 01:27:44,890
here before and we're not getting to the minority areas, the areas that we had problems to with

853
01:27:44,890 --> 01:27:46,010
when we hit COVID.

854
01:27:46,290 --> 01:27:52,450
We didn't have computers in areas where the big need was and we didn't have parents that

855
01:27:52,450 --> 01:27:58,370
could navigate the computer systems once we got something to them to be able to assist

856
01:27:58,370 --> 01:27:59,110
their children.

857
01:27:59,650 --> 01:28:05,270
This community should be making plans for its future generation and its future generation

858
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:13,450
is not equally funded. And I think by bringing Lincoln Village on with the

859
01:28:13,450 --> 01:28:19,530
Tierra Grande area and the outside of Folsom Boulevard, they will have a better

860
01:28:19,530 --> 01:28:27,690
step up. So for that, that's all I'm going to say. Thank you, Helen. Next speaker is

861
01:28:27,690 --> 01:28:31,770
Donnell Cummings. Following Donnell will be Matt Cummings.

862
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:35,420
Welcome, Donnell.

863
01:28:39,020 --> 01:28:54,040
Good evening, everyone. I support five districts with a rotating mayor. I am asking for the current council to please listen to the citizens who are involved in this process. I wish there were more people, but this is what we have.

864
01:28:55,040 --> 01:29:03,160
The majority of people want the mayor to remain rotating. I understand how difficult and frustrating it must be for you all to have to make this decision.

865
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:09,980
several of you would likely benefit from choosing a city-wide elected mayor. Please put your personal

866
01:29:09,980 --> 01:29:15,680
opinions and desires aside and listen to the people who have spoken. Maybe it's not a majority of

867
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:21,360
the population but that's a luxury we do not have time for at this point. The community had

868
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:26,780
opinions about the apartments in Capitol Village. They were built. The community had opinions

869
01:29:26,780 --> 01:29:32,560
about the Civic Center, CASIS project, and the warehouses in Stone Creek. The

870
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:37,940
community has felt ignored in each and every case. Being listened to because

871
01:29:37,940 --> 01:29:43,540
it's our right is not the same thing as actually taking action based on that

872
01:29:43,540 --> 01:29:49,320
listening. Please choose either a five district election with a rotating

873
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:53,820
mayor. Please choose what your constituents want even if you do not

874
01:29:53,820 --> 01:29:58,960
like it. The questions that I would like to add to tonight's discussion.

875
01:30:00,530 --> 01:30:06,010
Is in regards to, and I think someone may have already asked this, but in regards to the election process.

876
01:30:07,450 --> 01:30:13,470
I understand that those that are currently up for election will have their seat for another two years, I believe.

877
01:30:14,170 --> 01:30:18,030
When that seat is up, then that's when we'll change those areas to districts.

878
01:30:18,510 --> 01:30:28,950
But based on the current way that the council is spread out, at what point will we actually start changing the other people and the further out elections

879
01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:31,430
questions to those districts and how is that all going to work?

880
01:30:32,250 --> 01:30:38,050
And then my last question is, what happens if a seat is vacated prior to the term ending

881
01:30:38,050 --> 01:30:39,230
during this process?

882
01:30:40,150 --> 01:30:42,610
Is that going to be an appointment like last time?

883
01:30:42,930 --> 01:30:45,730
Or is it going to be moved to a district vote?

884
01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:46,970
Thank you.

885
01:30:47,410 --> 01:30:48,310
Thank you, Danielle.

886
01:30:48,630 --> 01:30:52,810
Great questions considering the incredible confusion in the city of Sacramento.

887
01:30:53,710 --> 01:30:55,450
I'm sure that's on people's minds.

888
01:30:56,590 --> 01:30:57,930
Matt, welcome.

889
01:30:57,930 --> 01:30:59,110
Good

890
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:11,760
evening, Rancho Cordova residents. Thank you all for coming out tonight. My name is Matt Cummings,

891
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:20,760
resident of Capital Village, resident of Lincoln Village as well. Residents since 2001. I am here

892
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:26,880
tonight to ask three questions that I hope will help hone the conversation and provide

893
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:33,820
information to the residents who are understandably, noticeably confused about this entire process.

894
01:31:33,820 --> 01:31:40,460
I do want to go back to the 45 days in the communication component because it's been a problem with the city.

895
01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:43,220
Since I served as a planning commissioner.

896
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:51,440
The letter was was drafted was was sent to us in June. It took us two months to get to this point.

897
01:31:52,420 --> 01:31:59,500
you've referenced that you have spread this flyer all over the place. And you know places like the

898
01:31:59,500 --> 01:32:07,320
Folsom or like the Ranch Criva Library were somehow missed. This kind of public forum, in fact the

899
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:12,920
first one of these was missed by so many people because they didn't get that document, that flyer

900
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:19,520
until that Monday. And you're expecting people to come during your dinner time or something

901
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:25,600
that they don't quite understand, and then explaining it in such a poor way that you

902
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:31,300
create the confusion that you've seen for this meeting, the public gathering across the way,

903
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:31,960
and here.

904
01:32:34,940 --> 01:32:39,680
It should have been released two weeks before, and I reject any notion that

905
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,340
you think you did the right thing because there are still places you haven't touched,

906
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:47,740
and it's a problem that has affected this city with every major decision.

907
01:32:50,170 --> 01:32:56,350
Question number two, regardless of what direction the council takes, why wouldn't the two of

908
01:32:56,350 --> 01:33:01,850
the three M and it's only a residence who serve on this council be forced to give up their positions

909
01:33:01,850 --> 01:33:06,850
the moment the map was approved? Wouldn't this automatically place us in potential legal action?

910
01:33:07,010 --> 01:33:12,310
I think it's important for all of you and the city attorney to explain that very carefully

911
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:17,770
because you're going to go a whole year with Garrett and then you're going to go two

912
01:33:17,770 --> 01:33:28,190
additional years with Donald Terry and I think it's Siri. So that question needs to be answered. So we have a better understanding of the whole process.

913
01:33:29,210 --> 01:33:39,530
The consultant indicated that differences between the five, six and seven council members was suggested. But is it actually law. I think it's very, very important. It might be the most important question that you're going to get.

914
01:33:39,530 --> 01:33:51,750
But are those numbers, the 1592 difference, the 1327 differences, are those a matter of law or are these suggestions as was proposed during this thing?

915
01:33:52,010 --> 01:33:57,170
I think you need to make that very clear tonight. I am in favor of a five council with a rotating mayor.

916
01:33:58,250 --> 01:34:04,390
But the good news is there appears to be some amount of geographic similarity with some communities

917
01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:07,170
that might not result in them getting broken up.

918
01:34:07,230 --> 01:34:08,650
I certainly hope that doesn't happen.

919
01:34:09,630 --> 01:34:14,630
But based on what this council has done in the past, I am concerned that we do not

920
01:34:14,630 --> 01:34:19,670
have the mental fortitude or the stomach to handle what is coming.

921
01:34:19,890 --> 01:34:20,990
Please wrap up your comments.

922
01:34:21,410 --> 01:34:25,770
I strongly support the five districts and I hope that these questions help to focus

923
01:34:25,770 --> 01:34:26,270
our efforts.

924
01:34:26,270 --> 01:34:32,910
As we move towards the most consequential event since cityhood itself. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you, Matt.

925
01:34:34,730 --> 01:34:44,110
I'm now going to transition to zoom. I'm going to start with the first speaker, which is Sarah. Sarah, I have unmuted you and you'll have up to three minutes to speak.

926
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:45,590
Welcome Sarah.

927
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:54,070
Good evening. Thank you all who spoke prior to me. I'm in agreement with almost all of them. I'm

928
01:34:54,070 --> 01:35:02,810
in the Stone Creek neighborhood and I would also prefer a five district with a rotating mayor.

929
01:35:03,770 --> 01:35:10,790
It was said at the first meeting when we discussed this that there would be some confusion if there

930
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:16,650
was a rotating mayor. And that statement really threw me because I believe we've had rotating

931
01:35:16,650 --> 01:35:24,110
mayors since the city's inception, if I'm not mistaken. And there hasn't been a problem

932
01:35:24,110 --> 01:35:30,590
all along for people to figure out who the mayor is. And I think it's the most efficient

933
01:35:30,590 --> 01:35:39,130
way. I agree with everyone who spoke about our outreach lacking. We heard about the

934
01:35:39,130 --> 01:35:43,470
the community outreach to meet the residents where they are.

935
01:35:43,890 --> 01:35:46,870
And I find that to be a hypocritical statement.

936
01:35:47,150 --> 01:35:51,830
I think that there is a lot of underrepresented people,

937
01:35:52,490 --> 01:35:53,690
hence this lawsuit.

938
01:35:53,970 --> 01:35:56,790
And those people cannot afford computers.

939
01:35:57,250 --> 01:36:00,930
They can't access all of these things on the internet.

940
01:36:01,070 --> 01:36:03,370
We've had people at this meeting tonight say that

941
01:36:03,650 --> 01:36:06,030
they can't figure out this map.

942
01:36:06,030 --> 01:36:08,710
So there needs to be a better way.

943
01:36:09,650 --> 01:36:14,450
Recently, the city paid a contractor to clean all the mailboxes off in our neighborhood.

944
01:36:14,630 --> 01:36:18,150
Well, why don't they pay contractors to fly or door to door?

945
01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:25,830
I think that would be a great way to spend money and go door to door and pay contractors to go out and talk to these people.

946
01:36:26,370 --> 01:36:32,110
And to explain this process to them and to get them to come to these meetings and hold the meetings where they are.

947
01:36:32,110 --> 01:36:39,770
they can't get to City Hall. It's very difficult for them. So that's all I have.

948
01:36:40,250 --> 01:36:45,550
I apologize for not being there in person tonight. I am getting ready to leave for

949
01:36:45,550 --> 01:36:51,090
three months across the country and so I hope when I get back we have five

950
01:36:51,090 --> 01:36:56,150
districts and no warehouses. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you Sarah.

951
01:36:56,150 --> 01:37:03,510
travel safely. Thank you. The next speaker is Aneel Freddy. Aneel you've been

952
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:09,050
unmuted and you'll have up to three minutes to speak. Welcome Aneel. Good

953
01:37:09,050 --> 01:37:14,350
evening mayor, council members and my fellow residents. I'm really happy to

954
01:37:14,350 --> 01:37:19,690
see a lot of participation today and coming back to the my comments. See

955
01:37:19,690 --> 01:37:23,850
while the idea of six districts, seven districts seems to offer a close

956
01:37:23,850 --> 01:37:30,110
representation but when you combine with the realistic water turnout it really

957
01:37:30,110 --> 01:37:36,770
poses a challenges for a fair representation and it's a deterrent to

958
01:37:36,770 --> 01:37:44,730
our progress of the city. So I did a lot of math on this one and I believe Dr.

959
01:37:44,830 --> 01:37:50,030
Sanders is very good with his data analysis. He knows the numbers game

960
01:37:50,030 --> 01:37:56,810
very well so this is what I'm thinking. I think shifting to a poor council district and a directly

961
01:37:56,810 --> 01:38:04,190
elected mayor's aligned with the our principle of efficient governance, clear representation and

962
01:38:04,190 --> 01:38:10,270
collective progress. The reason I'm proposing this one think about a situation like the

963
01:38:10,270 --> 01:38:16,550
warehouse one because a one vote can make a difference and that one vote if it is

964
01:38:17,310 --> 01:38:20,170
representing the smaller district that really

965
01:38:20,170 --> 01:38:22,070
deterrent to overall city progress.

966
01:38:23,190 --> 01:38:24,130
So looking at the numbers,

967
01:38:25,270 --> 01:38:28,950
we have only 50% water turnout in Sacramento County.

968
01:38:29,770 --> 01:38:31,950
And if you look at the last election season,

969
01:38:32,530 --> 01:38:37,550
Linda Burge got 13,697 votes.

970
01:38:40,170 --> 01:38:41,370
If it is a smaller district,

971
01:38:46,530 --> 01:38:53,110
And there is only like 6,600 residents. Yes. Can you hear me?

972
01:38:53,930 --> 01:38:55,330
You're cutting in and out.

973
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:04,780
Okay, let me repeat. So my argument is not to go with the six districts,

974
01:39:07,480 --> 01:39:08,840
council

975
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:20,380
districts and direct forces a challenge because the special interest groups can definitely have a lot of saying in those kind of things

976
01:39:20,380 --> 01:39:27,840
because they can manipulate the water turnout and with 6,000 people they can

977
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:35,040
definitely influence, specifically with a few influence. So and this also created

978
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:41,740
narrowness within our city that's not good for the overall city progress. So I

979
01:39:41,740 --> 01:39:48,860
prefer and I actively advocate for a four council districts and direct the

980
01:39:48,860 --> 01:39:55,060
elected mayor. And again, I'm asking directly elected mayor, it's not like the showman thing,

981
01:39:55,500 --> 01:40:02,220
but having one unified voice, which can bring all these four council districts together,

982
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:09,620
that really helps. And again, we've been on a rotating there from last 20 years. It worked

983
01:40:09,620 --> 01:40:15,540
for last 20 years, but looking at another 20 years, as a city we are growing, we need

984
01:40:15,540 --> 01:40:21,160
national presence. Now Dr. Sanders is representing at the League of Cities. That's really good having

985
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:31,700
a one mayor representing for four years that really shows the leadership. So again smaller districts

986
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:38,360
will pose the challenges about the disappropriate power to a smaller group of special interests.

987
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:45,260
That's not good. So please keep it for four districts or five districts. My choice is four

988
01:40:45,260 --> 01:40:47,420
Thank you.

989
01:40:47,480 --> 01:40:47,840
Thank you.

990
01:40:50,270 --> 01:40:51,790
The next speaker is Jennifer

991
01:40:51,790 --> 01:40:52,230
Garcia.

992
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:54,110
Jennifer, you've been unmuted

993
01:40:54,110 --> 01:40:55,190
and you'll have up to three

994
01:40:55,190 --> 01:40:55,970
minutes to speak.

995
01:40:56,910 --> 01:40:57,250
Great.

996
01:40:57,530 --> 01:40:57,970
Jennifer Garcia.

997
01:40:58,850 --> 01:41:00,190
I'm Jennifer Garcia.

998
01:41:00,630 --> 01:41:02,110
I live in the Stone Creek

999
01:41:02,110 --> 01:41:02,450
neighborhood.

1000
01:41:03,450 --> 01:41:04,910
I just want to make a comment

1001
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:06,010
first and then I have a

1002
01:41:06,010 --> 01:41:07,030
couple of things to say.

1003
01:41:08,110 --> 01:41:09,550
You know, if the city would

1004
01:41:09,550 --> 01:41:12,090
have adopted this law into

1005
01:41:12,090 --> 01:41:16,130
place back in 2003 when we

1006
01:41:16,130 --> 01:41:18,030
became a city. We want to be

1007
01:41:18,030 --> 01:41:19,470
having this a problem because

1008
01:41:19,470 --> 01:41:21,230
this was a law put into place

1009
01:41:21,230 --> 01:41:26,050
back into 2001. I just find it

1010
01:41:26,050 --> 01:41:27,530
funny that the city can't seem

1011
01:41:27,530 --> 01:41:29,050
to follow the law here a lot of

1012
01:41:29,050 --> 01:41:32,850
times. But I vote with a lot of

1013
01:41:32,850 --> 01:41:36,070
my neighbors that we need to

1014
01:41:36,070 --> 01:41:37,630
keep it to five districts and

1015
01:41:37,630 --> 01:41:40,170
a rotating mayor. We need to

1016
01:41:40,170 --> 01:41:41,970
have a well balanced mixture

1017
01:41:41,970 --> 01:41:44,650
of economics. We don't want

1018
01:41:44,650 --> 01:41:46,010
to lump together all the

1019
01:41:46,010 --> 01:41:50,270
poor people and separate the rich, everyone should have a chance to work together.

1020
01:41:51,010 --> 01:41:56,350
I think the best way to separate things is to have a natural border of the freeway.

1021
01:41:57,770 --> 01:42:00,530
And that's really where my vote lies.

1022
01:42:00,850 --> 01:42:09,030
I'm hoping that by doing this, I believe both Linda and Garrett in the 2024 elections,

1023
01:42:09,310 --> 01:42:12,770
your seats would be safe for whatever district you're in.

1024
01:42:12,770 --> 01:42:15,990
And the Anatolio really needs to have only one representative.

1025
01:42:16,530 --> 01:42:28,650
And so unfortunately we would lose Siri and Donald unless they choose to move at this time, probably to a different district, but I really would like to keep it to five districts and a rotating mayor.

1026
01:42:28,990 --> 01:42:30,190
Thank you very much.

1027
01:42:30,690 --> 01:42:31,630
Thank you, Jennifer.

1028
01:42:31,630 --> 01:42:43,230
Okay, I do not see any additional hands that are raised in zoom or by telephone. I do not have any other additional speaker cards for this item.

1029
01:42:44,270 --> 01:42:50,350
One additional item the city clerk's office did receive six public comments via email.

1030
01:42:50,830 --> 01:43:01,470
Those have been distributed to the city council, they have been posted on the city's website and they have been printed and are available in the back of the council chambers and a binder that says public comment.

1031
01:43:01,470 --> 01:43:14,250
Those came from the following individuals, James Garcia, Jim Garcia, Lisa Laguerre, Sarah Malone, Marilyn Metzger, and Belinda Rihanda.

1032
01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:19,230
And Mayor Butch, there's one additional hand that was just raised in Zoom.

1033
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:19,830
Okay.

1034
01:43:20,350 --> 01:43:27,470
So that is Andrew Rush. Andrew, I'm going to go ahead and unmute you and you'll have up to three minutes to speak.

1035
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:28,730
Welcome, Andrew.

1036
01:43:28,730 --> 01:43:29,890
Andrew

1037
01:43:36,610 --> 01:43:37,150
you're muted.

1038
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:45,320
How about that? Great. Okay my apologies. Good evening Mayor

1039
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:52,060
Budge and council members. I'm in Lincoln Village so call out to the other

1040
01:43:52,060 --> 01:43:58,840
Lincoln Village folks. I just came to this so I am not all that familiar with

1041
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:04,560
the maps yet but I will become familiarize myself with them but just

1042
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:10,360
in listening to everything, I know we're required to look at the population as the 2020 census,

1043
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:18,420
but there's large areas that are unbuilt tracks of land. I'm wondering if there's a way we can

1044
01:44:18,420 --> 01:44:25,860
match up the zoning with these district blocks, because as you do the five, if you do five districts,

1045
01:44:26,440 --> 01:44:31,400
some of those districts are going to grow tremendously over the next decade or two.

1046
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:38,980
And then are we going to redistrict because your your blocked populations are going to go wacky?

1047
01:44:39,420 --> 01:44:47,300
So that's a question. So the other thing is business districts aren't I think identified on the map obviously

1048
01:44:48,220 --> 01:44:55,360
If they concentrate the large business districts, which of course will center around the freeway because it has access

1049
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:59,840
Those are going to have be able to raise more money than other districts that are just neighborhood

1050
01:45:01,020 --> 01:45:07,020
Anyway, I'm just trying to, using GIS, be able to superimpose some of that information

1051
01:45:07,620 --> 01:45:13,640
over the map so that people can kind of see that and try to figure out how to do if it's

1052
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:22,340
five districts, seven. I do prefer the rotating mayor. So, more questions than opinion at this

1053
01:45:22,340 --> 01:45:27,380
point. I will try to get more time to look into this, but thank you for your time to

1054
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:33,420
Thank you, Andrew. Okay, so we're going to close the public hearing.

1055
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:42,460
And we have a variety of questions and I suspect Micah and Adam and Shalice.

1056
01:45:45,460 --> 01:45:47,240
Micah, you want to start us off.

1057
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:56,000
Sure. I'll start us off and I'll let maybe Adam and Chalice fill in the gaps or cover some that I didn't capture.

1058
01:45:57,300 --> 01:46:00,520
I got really quick. I'm on from Auburn case anyone wanted to know.

1059
01:46:01,340 --> 01:46:04,400
Yes, we saw that Garrett finally welcome.

1060
01:46:05,500 --> 01:46:10,120
Yeah, you know it's raining up here and storming.

1061
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:14,940
Well, we don't want to hear any lightning strikes.

1062
01:46:16,780 --> 01:46:18,940
Glad you're able to come to us, Council Member.

1063
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:40,100
So, a couple of questions and I'll just start with the which election does this affect and I think the good question and it really is the November 2024 election that it will be the first installment of this of this process and the vote.

1064
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:56,900
There will be, and I think part of this is a question that was asked later to as far as then what happens then to those who are currently serving and maybe representing citywide, but then we'll have districts that will be basically in November 2026 that will happen as far as that change.

1065
01:46:56,900 --> 01:47:05,220
So really, it takes kind of two election cycles to be in a place to where this initiative will

1066
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:11,640
take basically two election cycles, but it starts basically in next November 2024.

1067
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:17,860
And, Micah, if I could add to that, that's because you have council members who have

1068
01:47:17,860 --> 01:47:22,620
been elected for a four-year term, and by law, you can't shorten what they were elected to.

1069
01:47:22,780 --> 01:47:25,540
So that was another question that was asked as far as impacting

1070
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:39,940
individual current folks who are elected, current Mayor and Council who are elected, and there is law that you cannot affect the current members who were elected in a fair and processed election at that time.

1071
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:49,320
So those will serve out their current terms from a citywide basis, but when those elections come up, it will be in those districts for the 2026.

1072
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:51,660
And that's Linda and Garrett just for clarity.

1073
01:47:51,740 --> 01:47:52,320
Yeah, correct.

1074
01:47:52,320 --> 01:48:03,680
So, so thinking about the city of thinking about the city of Sacramento, and there are the amazing mishmash they've got down there.

1075
01:48:06,460 --> 01:48:21,040
So theoretically, there could be some parts of the city depending on what the maps look like. There could be some parts of the city that either have double representation or no representation.

1076
01:48:21,700 --> 01:48:30,560
There will be a period potentially, and I think Charlize, some of those have actually seen this in the city of Sacramento where there might be a period where there is a district that doesn't have a

1077
01:48:32,500 --> 01:48:35,040
directly elected representative for that two-year period.

1078
01:48:35,100 --> 01:48:36,140
Like the third district.

1079
01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:36,600
Correct.

1080
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:37,360
Like he's Sacramento.

1081
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:37,860
Correct.

1082
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:41,800
And that's really just part of the transition process.

1083
01:48:42,140 --> 01:48:46,480
So, I mean, that's not really an ability to question as far as to change that.

1084
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:51,220
That's just part of the transition process to go to district-based elections.

1085
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:51,760
Okay.

1086
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:56,740
And actually, every time we redistrict, that same situation can occur.

1087
01:48:56,920 --> 01:49:00,860
So when you redistrict for Congress, for example, you could have been elected from

1088
01:49:00,860 --> 01:49:04,180
over there, but now you're – if you're in that seat, your district has shifted.

1089
01:49:04,180 --> 01:49:08,060
And when you run again, you can end up with sort of like orphaned areas.

1090
01:49:09,260 --> 01:49:11,460
It's just an awkwardness of district then.

1091
01:49:12,460 --> 01:49:22,220
So that actually brings me to a good point of redistricting. And so I think, you know, part of the last question talked about, you know, what happens of with areas of growth and as we change over time.

1092
01:49:22,220 --> 01:49:34,120
This is the beginning of a process that now, every census, the city will go through a redistricting process to balance out the population to the appropriate districts at that time.

1093
01:49:34,300 --> 01:49:43,940
So basically every 10 years, the city will do a redistricting process as we move forward to balance the population over that period of time.

1094
01:49:43,940 --> 01:49:48,580
So, one of the things I heard Shalise say, which was a little bit different than I understood

1095
01:49:48,580 --> 01:49:53,800
it the first time around, was this business about 10% because, as Andrew just pointed

1096
01:49:53,800 --> 01:50:00,780
out, we have huge growth occurring east of sunrise.

1097
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:10,800
And so, it's not that a district could allow for 10% more growth, but that there

1098
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:17,880
can't be a disparity any greater than 10 percent between the most populated district

1099
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:19,760
and the least populated district.

1100
01:50:19,860 --> 01:50:25,900
So it's not like you can take a district down from 15,000 to 5,000, knowing that 10,000

1101
01:50:25,900 --> 01:50:29,000
more people are going to move in in the next four years.

1102
01:50:29,980 --> 01:50:34,860
So I'm seeing Charlize Shaker had, yes, that that's the accurate interpretation of

1103
01:50:34,860 --> 01:50:36,980
growth population and how to account for it.

1104
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:37,880
Okay.

1105
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:41,080
Okay, any other questions you want to take?

1106
01:50:41,700 --> 01:50:49,780
I will take the, as far as what that yellow line is on that map and that is highway 50.

1107
01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:55,520
So as we've looked at that map, that is highway 50 on that map, not Folsom Boulevard.

1108
01:50:56,560 --> 01:51:02,420
I will also, as far as what the next step in the process is, there was a question

1109
01:51:02,420 --> 01:51:04,140
about a referendum or a vote.

1110
01:51:04,660 --> 01:51:07,300
This is a process that goes through the city council.

1111
01:51:07,300 --> 01:51:18,880
This is not a public vote on number of districts or or maps that is part of the process that's we're going through now for the City Council selecting those those maps and those numbers.

1112
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:21,380
Okay, anything else.

1113
01:51:26,060 --> 01:51:28,840
Turn it over to Adam. I'll let him go and I got a couple others.

1114
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:29,940
Adam.

1115
01:51:32,380 --> 01:51:37,960
I guess the only other question, and this probably, you know, may not be answered right

1116
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:42,680
away, but how do you defend six or seven or different kind of options?

1117
01:51:42,860 --> 01:51:46,440
And I think that's part of the process that we'll go through when we evaluate the maps

1118
01:51:46,440 --> 01:51:51,620
is have that conversation about defensible maps under the California Voting Rights Act.

1119
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:52,640
Okay.

1120
01:51:54,740 --> 01:51:55,080
Adam?

1121
01:51:56,000 --> 01:52:00,700
I think Mike really hit all of the major core legal points.

1122
01:52:00,700 --> 01:52:06,340
I would defer to Chalice and Maria regarding a number of comments we heard about public outreach.

1123
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:08,240
Okay.

1124
01:52:10,810 --> 01:52:15,310
I also had just a couple of notes that I made before we go to the public outreach portion.

1125
01:52:16,030 --> 01:52:32,090
The question was asked the number of population per district based on the five, six or seven scenarios and I'm sorry if I may have not been clear or if I was misleading in my wording, but that is required by law.

1126
01:52:32,090 --> 01:52:38,110
that we have nearly equal population in those districts. So those numbers that we

1127
01:52:38,110 --> 01:52:46,170
give to you are the targets and again as the mayor has restated you can you can

1128
01:52:46,170 --> 01:52:50,750
deviate slightly but your least populated district compared to your

1129
01:52:50,750 --> 01:52:56,150
greatest populated district there can be no greater than a 10% difference. So

1130
01:52:56,150 --> 01:53:00,990
you need to look at all of your districts as a whole and look at your

1131
01:53:02,850 --> 01:53:07,030
So it is a lot that you have to have near equal population.

1132
01:53:07,450 --> 01:53:10,050
So we've given you those figures as your target.

1133
01:53:11,850 --> 01:53:20,870
We always just try to stay under 5% either greater or lesser than you know you're safe, your map safe, but that's not always possible to do.

1134
01:53:21,150 --> 01:53:30,970
And the disadvantage for Rancho is the fact that, well, for any growing city, the fact that we have to use the census data.

1135
01:53:30,970 --> 01:53:35,750
census of 2020 and can't use the latest figures from Department of Finance.

1136
01:53:36,410 --> 01:53:36,710
Correct.

1137
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:46,300
And then I also just had a couple of other notes that may have been answered, but I just

1138
01:53:46,300 --> 01:53:53,880
for clarification, if there is a vacancy, the, as far as, it's appointed in the same

1139
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:55,460
way that it exists now.

1140
01:53:55,600 --> 01:54:00,840
So if you can appoint, if you have an ordinance that allows you to appoint, or if you have

1141
01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:03,440
a policy logical point or go to an election,

1142
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:05,680
that election law doesn't change.

1143
01:54:06,480 --> 01:54:10,380
And also it would be as far as whether the person

1144
01:54:10,380 --> 01:54:12,300
needs to reside in the district or not,

1145
01:54:12,460 --> 01:54:15,800
it would depend on how the person

1146
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:17,680
who's vacating the position was elected.

1147
01:54:18,300 --> 01:54:22,780
So if the person vacating the position was elected

1148
01:54:22,780 --> 01:54:27,660
at large, then anyone candidate to fill that vacancy

1149
01:54:27,660 --> 01:54:29,260
could also be at large.

1150
01:54:29,260 --> 01:54:37,640
I can know, I know in practice, if you're appointed, you usually try to appoint in that given district, but so you always go by how that person was elected.

1151
01:54:38,900 --> 01:54:42,080
So let's go back and talk about that one a minute.

1152
01:54:45,180 --> 01:54:58,500
So, even though, if there were a vacancy, even though that area may now be covered by a district,

1153
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:02,260
That person would not need to live in that district.

1154
01:55:02,940 --> 01:55:06,120
The way the law is written today, correct.

1155
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,440
It's different for school districts, but correct.

1156
01:55:09,860 --> 01:55:17,200
So if someone who is elected at large vacated their seat, then they could be replaced at large.

1157
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:23,200
I can tell you typically it's a practice you would want to go by someone who is hiding in the district bounties.

1158
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:24,360
It just makes more sense.

1159
01:55:24,360 --> 01:55:34,160
But the way the law is written today it doesn't need to be someone from that new district if you're filling a seat that was originally appointed at large.

1160
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:38,440
And I would have to look at this generally generally speaking when when you.

1161
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:52,940
One nuance of this that I would have to look at one. And generally when you have a vacancy you have a choice depending on the exact timing of the vacancy to make the appointment or to send it out to to the voters.

1162
01:55:52,940 --> 01:56:00,480
And so one nuance of this that I think I would want to double check is even if you made the

1163
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:05,620
latter choice to send it out to the voters, is it actually Charlize in your experience

1164
01:56:05,620 --> 01:56:10,140
that the case that even if they chose to send it out to the voters because the appointment

1165
01:56:10,140 --> 01:56:17,120
was for a at large vacancy, it might actually still go out to the voters.

1166
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:33,000
this would be a very strange result, but as an at large election to fill that at large, what would then be a temporary at large vacancy, I'm happy to double check the point and so I don't want to speculate but.

1167
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:58,760
And I, there was just one other, the Mr. Rush asked comments if there could be overlays for zoning and overlays for the business districts and we can make that available as a layer, get that we can work with the planning department if those, any, those types of maps we can make as an overlay if someone wants to use that as their

1168
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:05,800
guide and draw in their maps. It would probably be better to use the general plan designations

1169
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:13,080
than the zoning designations which are typically much more refined, much smaller areas.

1170
01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:16,610
Anything

1171
01:57:16,610 --> 01:57:23,830
else, Chalice? I think those are the notes that I have and then Maria.

1172
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:36,470
Yeah. Thank you, Mayor Butch. So I think there's, there have been a number of questions about the timing of the postcard and I do want to, I guess, clarify some of the timing.

1173
01:57:37,430 --> 01:57:42,330
Once the council passed the resolution of intent on July 17.

1174
01:57:42,330 --> 01:57:47,570
That really started the clock for us to move forward with the postcard.

1175
01:57:47,870 --> 01:57:50,010
We didn't know how the council would vote.

1176
01:57:50,230 --> 01:57:54,570
And so we can't move forward with the postcard until the council decides what they want to do.

1177
01:57:55,170 --> 01:58:00,350
And so at that point, we have three weeks to get the postcards into mailboxes.

1178
01:58:00,370 --> 01:58:09,370
So when I referenced the time it takes to get the postcard written, translated, printed to the mailhouse,

1179
01:58:09,370 --> 01:58:11,990
to them post office and then into mailboxes.

1180
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:13,690
That's truly what I meant when I said it.

1181
01:58:14,290 --> 01:58:17,930
We typically take four weeks to do that, and we have three.

1182
01:58:18,610 --> 01:58:21,230
So we decided to move forward with the process anyway,

1183
01:58:21,570 --> 01:58:27,050
knowing that it would be hitting, you know,

1184
01:58:27,230 --> 01:58:32,190
just before or on the timing of the first meeting.

1185
01:58:32,490 --> 01:58:34,950
But again, it's about all seven meetings,

1186
01:58:35,230 --> 01:58:37,270
not just the one meeting.

1187
01:58:37,270 --> 01:59:01,390
And there, we did get some questions at the community forum, you know, about concerning if we missed the first meeting or if we weren't aware of it, would we be out of the loop and again, our role here is to, you know, make the information duplicative versus, you know, adding new information at various meetings.

1188
01:59:01,390 --> 01:59:05,570
And also we do have our online tool with all of the information.

1189
01:59:06,270 --> 01:59:15,410
And then I think the other question that we had was, you know, meeting people where they are is really a grassroots term.

1190
01:59:15,530 --> 01:59:24,210
And it really means going out into the community and delivering information in the ways that people are naturally getting it.

1191
01:59:24,210 --> 01:59:30,670
And today, we use data to help guide us in those efforts.

1192
01:59:31,250 --> 01:59:32,910
And we have a split city.

1193
01:59:33,250 --> 01:59:38,370
Half of our population is under 35 and uses digital means to get information.

1194
01:59:38,970 --> 01:59:42,390
And then the other half is in the older population.

1195
01:59:42,630 --> 01:59:47,210
And so we employed a two-part strategy,

1196
01:59:48,030 --> 01:59:51,890
and that was to send it out far and wide on our digital channels,

1197
01:59:51,890 --> 01:59:59,550
social media, et cetera, and then also to identify and deliver to places where we

1198
01:59:59,550 --> 01:59:59,970
knew people.

1199
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,900
We're already going. And they are multiple. And so we have really, when I say that we truly

1200
02:00:06,900 --> 02:00:15,420
have made quite the effort, I can't think of an issue or a moment where we have perhaps maybe

1201
02:00:15,420 --> 02:00:23,460
when we were in COVID. But we have taken out paid advertising for our Russian-speaking population

1202
02:00:23,460 --> 02:00:28,520
and also partnered with our Spanish-speaking communities. And the whole point is to drive

1203
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:36,340
people to these meetings. We also did look at having meetings in various parts of the city,

1204
02:00:36,540 --> 02:00:44,820
and because of our inability to use the, demonstrate the mapping tool, if there wasn't

1205
02:00:44,820 --> 02:00:52,160
technology, etc., we did decide to go ahead and have it here. But we did look at Anatolia

1206
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:56,480
again, because they are severely impacted by this decision, and we also have the MAC

1207
02:00:56,480 --> 02:01:06,960
booked in the northern portion of the city, but given the great number of people that

1208
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:14,000
we expected, we decided to hold it here so that we could have sufficient space for people

1209
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:17,320
and also so that we could demo the tool.

1210
02:01:17,860 --> 02:01:21,120
So those were the decisions that we made at that time, and so hopefully that makes

1211
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:27,860
sense. Through the mayor, if I may, I also remember that at the MAC there was one question

1212
02:01:27,860 --> 02:01:36,860
about accessibility. There's a somewhat unpredictable ability to move people with mobility challenges.

1213
02:01:37,980 --> 02:01:43,640
The, right, the, the, there's a narrow staircase and an elevator that's erratic and we thought

1214
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:48,960
might not be functioning is, was that an initial consideration? Accessibility? Yes,

1215
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:53,940
that was an initial consideration and then also assassins is playing there so we only were able

1216
02:01:53,940 --> 02:02:00,240
to get a portion of the upstairs area which would hold about 25 people and you know we had anywhere

1217
02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:08,340
from 40 to 49 folks last Thursday. And there's no overflow I and I will say that the the

1218
02:02:08,340 --> 02:02:14,880
suggestion of using a venue outside of the city limits did with all due respect come as a bit

1219
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:20,500
But if a surprise, I think to, to certainly the staff members, I don't know if it came

1220
02:02:20,500 --> 02:02:26,360
as a surprise to the consultant, but we had not contemplated selecting venues that would

1221
02:02:26,360 --> 02:02:27,300
be outside of the city.

1222
02:02:27,460 --> 02:02:33,500
We thought that it didn't, I don't think it occurred to us to suggest community meetings

1223
02:02:33,500 --> 02:02:34,380
outside of the city.

1224
02:02:34,940 --> 02:02:35,380
No,

1225
02:02:37,700 --> 02:02:38,100
I agree.

1226
02:02:38,620 --> 02:02:41,000
Maria, could you tell us what social media outreach was then?

1227
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:42,920
Sure.

1228
02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:50,580
So, as I mentioned, we do have our four main channels, Facebook, Instagram, X, which used

1229
02:02:50,580 --> 02:02:53,880
to be called Twitter, and Nextdoor.

1230
02:02:54,620 --> 02:03:00,280
And so we have been providing all of that information multiple times on those channels,

1231
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:03,300
and we will continue to do so before the meetings.

1232
02:03:03,820 --> 02:03:08,440
We're driving people to the website so that they can access the information and also

1233
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:12,100
making sure that they understand when the meetings are being held and where the

1234
02:03:12,100 --> 02:03:12,780
meetings are being held.

1235
02:03:13,340 --> 02:03:17,360
Do we have any data on how well the FACEDAR, how well our website has been accessed?

1236
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:23,520
Yes, we have data for all of our digital tools, including our newsletters, and so I don't

1237
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,620
have that in front of me, but I could certainly get it.

1238
02:03:25,620 --> 02:03:27,700
Maybe next time it'd be interesting to see a report on that.

1239
02:03:28,020 --> 02:03:28,140
Yeah, sure.

1240
02:03:28,140 --> 02:03:31,540
When you click throughs or whatever, measure your, how many page views.

1241
02:03:31,940 --> 02:03:32,600
Yeah, and we're –

1242
02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:33,360
Whatever the mention is.

1243
02:03:33,660 --> 02:03:34,420
No, that's a great point.

1244
02:03:34,500 --> 02:03:38,760
I didn't mention the fact that we are keeping track and measuring the results

1245
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:40,780
of the – even the grassroots outreach.

1246
02:03:40,780 --> 02:03:45,280
So, for example, we've asked our partners to let us know, you know, when they're out

1247
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:50,880
of flyers or postcards, what languages they're out of, and how many they're, you know, they're

1248
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:55,560
able to distribute. They're also distributing it on their social media channels and on their

1249
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:58,740
digital channels. So, we have a lot of data that we can access.

1250
02:04:02,260 --> 02:04:04,300
Okay. Any other questions for staff?

1251
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:11,380
Actually, the postcard number, what is it? 20,000, some thousand postcards? What

1252
02:04:11,380 --> 02:04:13,620
What is that amount to when we do every mailbox?

1253
02:04:13,940 --> 02:04:14,780
Yeah, 33,000.

1254
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:15,980
33,000.

1255
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:16,220
Yeah.

1256
02:04:16,740 --> 02:04:20,900
And the community council, our e-mail address was also used.

1257
02:04:21,060 --> 02:04:21,540
That's got about what?

1258
02:04:21,660 --> 02:04:22,920
20,000 e-mail addresses?

1259
02:04:23,100 --> 02:04:25,240
So they have, yeah, they have about 20,000.

1260
02:04:25,300 --> 02:04:26,740
They've sent it out twice already.

1261
02:04:27,540 --> 02:04:30,180
And we have 10,000 on our list serves.

1262
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:32,360
So we've sent it out multiple times.

1263
02:04:32,720 --> 02:04:40,160
But the chambers sent it out, FCCP sent it out, and then Russian American media

1264
02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:40,700
sent it out.

1265
02:04:40,700 --> 02:04:41,940
So we've had a number of folks.

1266
02:04:42,460 --> 02:04:44,260
So with the numbers, whenever you bring those back,

1267
02:04:44,300 --> 02:04:46,280
it might be interesting to see what is the response

1268
02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:49,000
been to this versus something else

1269
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:52,720
in compared to some other initiative we undertook

1270
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:53,520
and did outreach for?

1271
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:55,640
I mean, the only thing that I can think of

1272
02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:59,340
that we've done at this level is when COVID,

1273
02:05:00,100 --> 02:05:01,300
when we were trying to get the word out

1274
02:05:01,300 --> 02:05:05,680
about our COVID-19 vaccination clinics.

1275
02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:12,040
We did paid outreach to our Spanish-speaking and Russian-speaking population.

1276
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:19,720
We also had translators at those events, and then we would also distribute via postcard

1277
02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:24,840
and all our digital channels, all our social media channels through our partners, et cetera.

1278
02:05:25,460 --> 02:05:29,160
But I think we've even gone beyond that, to be honest, with this outreach.

1279
02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:34,960
So, I'll ask you the final question I have, which is a little bit of a tough one.

1280
02:05:35,300 --> 02:05:42,060
But there's some activities, you know, humans undertake that you can't easily quantify.

1281
02:05:42,720 --> 02:05:46,300
And I think you're working hard to try to quantify communication.

1282
02:05:47,300 --> 02:05:51,900
But in general, I mean, in family settings and organizational settings, that's a criticism

1283
02:05:51,900 --> 02:05:53,980
that can be applied almost globally.

1284
02:05:54,720 --> 02:06:00,060
Is there a way to sort of – do you think we can quantify communication to the point

1285
02:06:00,060 --> 02:06:05,620
that you can say, no, we did do a good job here because of this versus that?

1286
02:06:05,820 --> 02:06:11,160
Because generally, when you hear communication used as an argument, it's hard to like

1287
02:06:11,580 --> 02:06:12,960
what are the numbers for that?

1288
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:16,240
It's sort of like in an organization when you don't want to do something, someone

1289
02:06:16,240 --> 02:06:20,740
says insurance or legal or, you know, it's like a catch all, no.

1290
02:06:20,740 --> 02:06:26,620
You know, that's a great question. We have a lot of tools that allow us to measure the

1291
02:06:26,620 --> 02:06:35,560
success or failure of, you know, various outreach efforts. The thing about data is,

1292
02:06:35,720 --> 02:06:40,560
so say for example, we may have sent out the news alert on districting and it may

1293
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:48,360
have been clicked on, right, by, say, 10,000 people. But say there's only 40 people

1294
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:52,440
really care about it and who are really passionate about it, and those are the ones that are

1295
02:06:52,440 --> 02:06:53,060
going to show up.

1296
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:57,880
The ones that are not that engaged are not going to show up, even if they have the information,

1297
02:06:57,980 --> 02:07:01,560
even if they've accessed it, which in our minds is the success measure.

1298
02:07:02,240 --> 02:07:08,540
People get to choose their level of engagement with their local government, and so our

1299
02:07:08,540 --> 02:07:15,320
role really is to promote it to the greatest extent possible to get it deeply in so

1300
02:07:15,320 --> 02:07:16,920
that everyone has access to it.

1301
02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:21,860
But it's really up to the individual whether they choose to engage.

1302
02:07:23,820 --> 02:07:37,440
Yeah, just to, you know, kind of, you know, jump on that kind of a little bit where you could do the best outreach the same way for two different topics, but maybe one topic just has more interest because it affects people maybe where they're at or

1303
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:45,260
And so you could have a very different outcome, you know, based on the same public outreach, just depending on maybe what the topic is.

1304
02:07:45,400 --> 02:07:55,100
And so that's what I think is, you know, talked about hard to measure what the success looked like when, you know, engagement or participation may be low, but it might be the topic that people are not interested in.

1305
02:07:55,100 --> 02:08:03,880
And so I think trying to figure out that right way to show that work and it's something we need to be focused on and working on from a delivery to our community.

1306
02:08:04,140 --> 02:08:13,440
But I think that's something that's very difficult to measure and we'll use the tools we have, but that is a challenge sometimes to get to outcomes.

1307
02:08:18,360 --> 02:08:20,340
Any other questions for staff?

1308
02:08:21,300 --> 02:08:21,920
Yeah, I got some.

1309
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:23,420
Garrett.

1310
02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:27,540
When are we allowed to start playing with the map tool by law, Adam?

1311
02:08:30,430 --> 02:08:38,310
Not until the next meeting, the point being that the public gets to come up with maps,

1312
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:43,950
you will then get presented with maps that they've presented, that they've prepared,

1313
02:08:44,750 --> 02:08:51,090
and then, and Shilis, I welcome you talking about this, but starting after the next meeting

1314
02:08:51,090 --> 02:08:59,430
after the public is exhausted, their time to participate, they won't have exhausted

1315
02:08:59,430 --> 02:09:04,470
their time, but you can't do it until after the next meeting. Is that anything to add there?

1316
02:09:06,290 --> 02:09:14,930
Yes, the council cannot, as a body, start deliberating on or reviewing maps until after

1317
02:09:14,930 --> 02:09:24,110
this public hearing. And I would just say that the council all knows that this is advice we've

1318
02:09:24,110 --> 02:09:32,670
given them, you know, in private as well as in public, there's no, you know, this is

1319
02:09:32,670 --> 02:09:37,650
something that has been consistently important to us to emphasize that the public has this

1320
02:09:37,650 --> 02:09:44,230
opportunity to inform the situation before the council does by law, gets involved in

1321
02:09:44,230 --> 02:09:45,710
the actual map making by law.

1322
02:09:46,030 --> 02:09:51,010
And that's why it's really so important to see what people think, how you divide

1323
02:09:51,010 --> 02:09:55,210
this very oddly shaped city into only five districts.

1324
02:09:59,980 --> 02:10:06,540
Really quick, just so the group understands.

1325
02:10:07,300 --> 02:10:11,560
So, if the citizens, when they do a district and they redraw all Anatolia,

1326
02:10:12,420 --> 02:10:14,720
then that would mean at the next election,

1327
02:10:15,340 --> 02:10:18,620
if do we choose when the district is up for an election

1328
02:10:18,620 --> 02:10:22,360
or when the citizens give us the map, how does that work?

1329
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:25,880
How do we choose which of the districts go up for election?

1330
02:10:28,180 --> 02:10:29,060
I'm sorry.

1331
02:10:29,120 --> 02:10:30,080
I don't know your name in the blonde.

1332
02:10:30,620 --> 02:10:32,400
But, Sillis, how does that work?

1333
02:10:33,220 --> 02:10:36,620
I can answer that, or City Attorney, you can weigh in on it.

1334
02:10:37,060 --> 02:10:38,620
It's referred to as sequencing.

1335
02:10:39,220 --> 02:10:44,700
So, when we talk about the maps, there will be a proposed sequencing that you'll also be discussing.

1336
02:10:46,020 --> 02:10:55,160
We typically don't like to talk about sequencing of all 20, 30, 40 maps until we narrow it down to maybe four or five.

1337
02:10:55,340 --> 02:11:04,080
And then we will get into in-depth discussion on the sequencing and sequencing, meaning assigning an election year to that particular district.

1338
02:11:05,020 --> 02:11:10,400
So, yes, there could be a case where you have council members paired in a district that have different election years.

1339
02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:15,120
and that's when the council, it would be the council's decision on what election year is

1340
02:11:15,120 --> 02:11:19,700
assigned to that district. It will be done during the map selection process.

1341
02:11:20,120 --> 02:11:25,720
And Council Member Gage would just say very clear of council members starting to talk about

1342
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:32,200
or engage in anything that might be perceived as mapping. I appreciate Celice answering the

1343
02:11:32,200 --> 02:11:38,500
question at a general level rather than with respect to any particular potential

1344
02:11:39,560 --> 02:11:42,340
actual district that might be drawn for the city.

1345
02:11:42,900 --> 02:11:43,380
Correct.

1346
02:11:43,540 --> 02:11:46,740
I just didn't really, I didn't know when the, they didn't know the word sequencing.

1347
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:48,380
I'm sorry.

1348
02:11:48,540 --> 02:11:49,100
What was your name again?

1349
02:11:49,340 --> 02:11:49,540
Chilise?

1350
02:11:49,960 --> 02:11:50,400
Chilise.

1351
02:11:50,940 --> 02:11:51,420
Yeah.

1352
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:52,020
Sorry about that.

1353
02:11:52,120 --> 02:11:56,280
I just wanted to know like how the sequencing and just so my citizens know.

1354
02:11:56,740 --> 02:12:02,200
So there, they draw the districts and then they assign when those districts are up

1355
02:12:02,200 --> 02:12:03,800
for reelection.

1356
02:12:04,780 --> 02:12:06,960
And that's kind of how that goes on suggestions.

1357
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:07,440
Correct.

1358
02:12:08,260 --> 02:12:18,340
Well, typically the map is drawn and then when we produce the map, meaning NDC produces the map, we will do proposed sequencing.

1359
02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:27,300
And it could be just as it could say, you know, your 2024 districts.

1360
02:12:28,460 --> 02:12:36,340
districts, you know, one, two, and three, and 2026, four, and five, if you had five districts.

1361
02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:43,460
Sometimes we will leave it even more vague and say, you know, 2022 could be district

1362
02:12:43,460 --> 02:12:47,100
one, two, three, or four, or five.

1363
02:12:47,640 --> 02:12:52,980
But the point being is it will be on the maps, there will be a proposed sequencing

1364
02:12:52,980 --> 02:12:59,920
that the council will define and will actually confirm when they approve the map.

1365
02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:04,340
So the residents do not need to assign those election years.

1366
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:09,860
Certainly in their comments, they could make suggestions on what they would prefer for the sequencing.

1367
02:13:10,100 --> 02:13:11,840
Ultimately, it would be the council's choice.

1368
02:13:12,700 --> 02:13:20,000
For my citizens, I'm going to try to hold office hours again, 8am this Friday on the 18th.

1369
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:20,800
Check my calendar.

1370
02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:21,640
So I'll be there.

1371
02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:26,320
My question to you guys, which is the one I can't see to wrap my head around.

1372
02:13:26,840 --> 02:13:35,380
I understand that you guys don't want to do, you don't want to do a direct elect mayor.

1373
02:13:36,580 --> 02:13:49,800
How if we go into districts, do you expect to have representation that would not care about the districts they're in if you don't have at least one of our members being directly elected?

1374
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:58,840
I don't like I agree like I'm not going to really say between five or seven because that's that's I'm listening to all your guys

1375
02:13:58,840 --> 02:14:03,420
in your comments and I want to hear from more of you I did hear from some of the people from Anatoly that showed up.

1376
02:14:03,460 --> 02:14:06,840
We're wanting to be like we don't want to lose three votes, which I thought was hilarious.

1377
02:14:09,320 --> 02:14:15,540
But they were like we don't want to go from from from three to one we want to stay at three and I was like that's hilarious.

1378
02:14:15,540 --> 02:14:29,340
I just can't do that, but I'm curious between the five to seven, how do you grab your head around because districts by it by the nature of it, you care most about your own district.

1379
02:14:29,900 --> 02:14:37,780
How would you not want to have the tiebreaker vote be someone that's elected by everybody and therefore could be unelected by everybody.

1380
02:14:39,420 --> 02:14:45,100
I'll be at the office from 8 to 10, love to hear from you guys at City Hall, top area or shoot me an email.

1381
02:14:45,620 --> 02:14:49,680
Sorry, I'm in up here today. I wanted to be there to talk to you guys.

1382
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:59,600
But my thing is just I want to have a generic, I just want to have a discussion just to figure out bounce off you guys because honestly that the concern I have is what happens in Sacramento.

1383
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,460
There are areas where they only care about one side or one area. And yeah, right now, because we were direct elect individuals, we still have in our heart, we care about everybody.

1384
02:15:10,640 --> 02:15:15,940
But what happens when the only area you care about is the district you're in and you don't care about the other sides of Rancho?

1385
02:15:16,780 --> 02:15:27,100
What keeps everything, what keeps us this collegiate kind of group if you don't have one person that if the citizens are upset with that one person, they can't reach out and pull them down

1386
02:15:27,100 --> 02:15:31,000
And be like, we need you to care about Lincoln Village.

1387
02:15:31,260 --> 02:15:33,940
We need you to care about, right now, about Stone Creek.

1388
02:15:34,100 --> 02:15:35,200
We need you to care about this.

1389
02:15:35,860 --> 02:15:38,880
And there's no, I just feel like there's no representation

1390
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:42,400
for Rancho as a whole anymore because we're in districts.

1391
02:15:43,580 --> 02:15:44,760
So, Garrett, that's a question.

1392
02:15:45,060 --> 02:15:47,860
That's a question you're asking people to provide you feedback about.

1393
02:15:48,360 --> 02:15:49,600
Yeah, I just want to hear about it.

1394
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:52,080
I just want to hear from my citizens because it's not about,

1395
02:15:52,180 --> 02:15:53,200
not about my staff guys.

1396
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:54,660
I appreciate how you're setting this up.

1397
02:15:54,660 --> 02:16:12,700
But it's more about, like, if we do this and we draw ourselves into, let's say, we draw ourselves into four, like, a lot of people are four with a mayor that you pass around, what's to make that person care more about the side of the area that he doesn't come from, if there's no.

1398
02:16:13,100 --> 02:16:13,800
We get it.

1399
02:16:14,360 --> 02:16:14,600
Okay.

1400
02:16:15,180 --> 02:16:15,680
Thanks, Garrett.

1401
02:16:16,380 --> 02:16:16,820
Thank you.

1402
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:17,500
Okay.

1403
02:16:17,500 --> 02:16:25,440
Okay. So do we want to go any further in demonstrating the mapping tool?

1404
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:28,640
Can I make just a couple of comments for you?

1405
02:16:29,780 --> 02:16:34,240
First, you know, one of the things I think we can easily address that I heard in the

1406
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:41,580
room was the inadequacy of that paper map. I think perhaps there'd be a way to improve

1407
02:16:41,580 --> 02:16:46,040
improve its appearance, make it a little more user friendly, label Highway 50, label

1408
02:16:46,040 --> 02:16:52,520
Folsom Boulevard, label Sunrise or Zenfone Metals, whatever sort of, you know, landmarks

1409
02:16:52,520 --> 02:16:53,960
could be added to that map.

1410
02:16:54,500 --> 02:16:58,240
Because of that prohibition about looking at maps, I have not actually examined that

1411
02:16:58,660 --> 02:16:59,460
in any detail.

1412
02:16:59,640 --> 02:17:03,140
I've just sort of seen it flashed up on the screen here at meetings.

1413
02:17:03,360 --> 02:17:09,740
I'm probably overreacting to that prohibition, but I think it seems reasonable to me that

1414
02:17:09,740 --> 02:17:13,740
Maybe we can improve that map. Is there any response on that?

1415
02:17:15,940 --> 02:17:22,680
We've gone through variations of this map over the 30 years we've been providing it,

1416
02:17:22,880 --> 02:17:28,380
and the streets is always an issue. But the problem is when we started adding streets

1417
02:17:28,380 --> 02:17:33,140
and they could no longer see the population numbers or the file got too large, they couldn't

1418
02:17:33,140 --> 02:17:37,640
print it out on their computer or had large enough paper to be able to see everything.

1419
02:17:37,640 --> 02:17:54,380
So as a solution, and I will be happy to demonstrate this in a few moments or even now, if you'd like, is we have the electronic version of that paper map so that you can actually zoom in very closely and see all the streets.

1420
02:17:54,700 --> 02:17:58,380
You can even put a satellite image underneath it if you want.

1421
02:17:58,380 --> 02:18:02,560
I guess that what I'm not so worried about is if you, if you're technically capable,

1422
02:18:02,700 --> 02:18:06,740
you can zoom in and probably clarify the question, but for the people who aren't, who are just

1423
02:18:06,740 --> 02:18:10,320
going to look at a PDF on the website and maybe examine that.

1424
02:18:10,320 --> 02:18:15,100
Yeah, the question is about the paper map that you have to print out, not the ability

1425
02:18:15,100 --> 02:18:17,560
to manipulate it on the computer.

1426
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:18,580
Maybe a suggestion.

1427
02:18:18,860 --> 02:18:22,600
I don't know if you've had the ability to print them on bigger pieces of paper.

1428
02:18:22,700 --> 02:18:27,400
And so, we're happy to provide ways, if it's a problem with, as far as seeing

1429
02:18:27,400 --> 02:18:32,600
enough information on the map of that size. I think we can maybe think about ways to provide

1430
02:18:33,240 --> 02:18:36,440
bigger maps, basically, so you have enough information on the paper.

1431
02:18:36,860 --> 02:18:43,400
It was described as yellow, but maybe graphically you, you know, yellow, that sunrise, and blue,

1432
02:18:43,860 --> 02:18:48,880
like a highlight marker kind of color doesn't obscure anything. It just adds something to it.

1433
02:18:48,980 --> 02:18:54,520
We do rely on the many years of experience by NBC on this effort, but I think there's

1434
02:18:54,520 --> 02:19:00,100
always ways to figure out maybe ways to improve on maybe what people are seeing with the actual

1435
02:19:00,100 --> 02:19:00,760
printed map.

1436
02:19:01,020 --> 02:19:01,320
Yeah.

1437
02:19:01,320 --> 02:19:05,940
And just one other general comment, you know, about a third of cities now, about a third

1438
02:19:05,940 --> 02:19:10,740
of cities have undertaken this process, about a quarter of school districts have undertaken

1439
02:19:10,740 --> 02:19:11,440
this process.

1440
02:19:13,240 --> 02:19:13,860
We're next.

1441
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:14,640
It's our turn.

1442
02:19:15,440 --> 02:19:20,780
The one thing I worry about going to districts is that district-based behavior that people

1443
02:19:20,780 --> 02:19:31,360
I think are assuming happens and I have certainly seen it happen in some jurisdictions. And one of the things that makes jurisdiction strong is when their council works together.

1444
02:19:31,660 --> 02:19:46,680
If we allow ourselves to be divided harshly into districts that pose us, you know, one against the other just based on our own district priorities opposed to citywide parties, which by the way all five of whoever's elected will still be voting on all those

1445
02:19:46,680 --> 02:19:52,120
citywide issues, that would be a great detriment to sort of the health of the future of this

1446
02:19:52,120 --> 02:19:52,320
community.

1447
02:19:52,440 --> 02:19:55,460
So I think culturally, we just have to keep that in mind.

1448
02:19:55,960 --> 02:20:00,600
Almost everything you work on as a council member and voter as a council member has citywide

1449
02:20:00,600 --> 02:20:01,040
impact.

1450
02:20:01,540 --> 02:20:06,740
Can you have more focus on your district, certainly, and that's the fundamental success

1451
02:20:06,740 --> 02:20:11,720
of cities over counties or other means of governance is attention to detail.

1452
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:14,260
So in that sense, it's not necessarily a bad idea.

1453
02:20:14,260 --> 02:20:19,340
And distributing, you know, governance also a good idea. You want everyone represented.

1454
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:23,500
So there are dangers in this process. There are big benefits in this process.

1455
02:20:23,720 --> 02:20:32,300
I just want us to sort of keep all of that in mind because we're not going completely one direction in terms of I only care about my district and nothing else.

1456
02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:35,880
And we also don't want to be completely the other direction of not caring about a district.

1457
02:20:37,320 --> 02:20:38,240
Good point.

1458
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:41,320
Siri, anything?

1459
02:20:45,390 --> 02:20:47,730
Are you online? Thank you.

1460
02:20:48,710 --> 02:20:56,150
I want to say that I absolutely believe diversity matters. As you know, representation matters. I am proof of that.

1461
02:20:56,150 --> 02:21:07,690
But nearly 50% of Rancho Cordova's population is non-white, as one member said during her

1462
02:21:07,690 --> 02:21:10,730
speech that she doesn't see the representation in the audience.

1463
02:21:11,900 --> 02:21:18,370
Also we are hearing a lot from the public today, but is that, and you're also saying

1464
02:21:18,370 --> 02:21:21,150
that it's not reaching all corners of Rancho Cordova.

1465
02:21:21,150 --> 02:21:27,630
I have also been doing my due diligence of trying to see what our peer cities are doing,

1466
02:21:27,790 --> 02:21:33,970
not just that what is close to Rancho Cordova, but as you know, when a recent study mission

1467
02:21:33,970 --> 02:21:41,110
to Austin, and we saw Georgetown, which is a similar city to us, and they have a seven-member

1468
02:21:41,110 --> 02:21:46,330
council member, and I asked them, you know, why did they choose to have the seven-member

1469
02:21:46,330 --> 02:21:53,270
council members in their city which is pretty similar in population as ours and they said

1470
02:21:53,270 --> 02:21:58,450
it's because of a fair distribution of constituents and it promotes a more diverse and inclusive

1471
02:21:58,450 --> 02:22:03,990
representation. They also said that smaller districts council members can establish stronger

1472
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:09,370
connections with residents leading to more meaningful interactions. Now I've talked to

1473
02:22:09,370 --> 02:22:17,770
council members with seven districts. I've also seen cities with a population of 15,000 which have

1474
02:22:17,770 --> 02:22:25,650
five districts. That's their representing 3,000 people. And so there's a wide range. I've also

1475
02:22:25,650 --> 02:22:32,610
seen a lot of them favor the rotating mayor. Some have also again made the case for a

1476
02:22:32,610 --> 02:22:39,090
directly elected mayor. As you know I am in favor of the rotating mayor but I'm

1477
02:22:39,090 --> 02:22:44,470
still on the fence between the five district and the seven districts because

1478
02:22:44,470 --> 02:22:49,590
there's just so much scope and with our city growing by leaves and bounds I

1479
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:52,310
think we have to keep that into consideration when we draw our districts.

1480
02:22:52,310 --> 02:22:56,590
Thank you. Thank you, Siri. Okay.

1481
02:22:58,790 --> 02:23:06,450
And I believe we don't want to, especially because we've

1482
02:23:06,450 --> 02:23:12,630
only got three people here and Garrett and Auburn, we don't want to try to refine the

1483
02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:16,890
number of districts tonight. We're going to wait and see what kinds of maps people

1484
02:23:16,890 --> 02:23:23,710
come back with? I mean it's up to the council but I think we are capable of moving forward

1485
02:23:23,710 --> 02:23:31,470
still with the five six and seven options that will be brought forward with the review of the

1486
02:23:31,470 --> 02:23:37,510
maps when that time comes so we're comfortable with that as well. Okay we're good with that.

1487
02:23:40,650 --> 02:23:44,950
So are we good for tonight? Mayor, I also want to reiterate for those of you having

1488
02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:49,030
If I've not looked at the maps, I don't know how difficult it is, but I've heard over and

1489
02:23:49,030 --> 02:23:50,710
over again it's probably pretty difficult.

1490
02:23:51,510 --> 02:23:57,370
One thing you guys can do is what I've heard is when you draw the maps, just take a screenshot

1491
02:23:57,370 --> 02:24:02,310
or take a photo off your screen with your camera and you can save that if you don't

1492
02:24:02,310 --> 02:24:09,510
know if it's taken too long to enter a password and have a cabbage patch $234 password.

1493
02:24:10,630 --> 02:24:11,450
Save the URL.

1494
02:24:11,810 --> 02:24:14,310
I think you can just take a screenshot and then save it.

1495
02:24:14,310 --> 02:24:16,390
Okay, draw on the map. No.

1496
02:24:20,350 --> 02:24:21,990
Just to draw the maps.

1497
02:24:22,670 --> 02:24:29,470
If you do it online, you're supposed to, the consultant says you have to have a URL that distinguishes you from...

1498
02:24:29,470 --> 02:24:35,990
No, no, that's what I'm saying. The URL is to distinguish the maps, but do you need a username and password just to play around with the map?

1499
02:24:37,410 --> 02:24:40,310
Yes, otherwise you can...

1500
02:24:40,310 --> 02:24:46,290
you need to sign up. It's a very easy process, not used any for any other purpose than just

1501
02:24:46,290 --> 02:24:47,650
to keep track of what you're working on.

1502
02:24:47,870 --> 02:24:50,050
Is there a way you could remove that prop step?

1503
02:24:50,830 --> 02:24:56,090
No, that's not possible to remove because you can't manipulate maps that have already

1504
02:24:56,090 --> 02:25:02,470
been published. So, you don't want to contaminate

1505
02:25:05,190 --> 02:25:07,750
or change someone else's map.

1506
02:25:07,750 --> 02:25:11,110
Oh, it's just another password to have to remember.

1507
02:25:16,210 --> 02:25:18,230
Yeah, not for very long, he says.

1508
02:25:19,630 --> 02:25:20,990
Okay, are we good?

1509
02:25:23,240 --> 02:25:24,920
Okay, then we're going to adjourn this meeting.

1510
02:25:26,100 --> 02:25:28,580
And we're going to adjourn to close session.

1511
02:25:30,120 --> 02:25:32,700
And again, because this is a special meeting.

1512
02:25:34,960 --> 02:25:37,180
Let's see, let's just adjourn this meeting first.

1513
02:25:37,180 --> 02:25:39,720
Thank you all for coming in for staying.

1514
02:25:42,400 --> 02:25:46,560
So, Stacey, do you want to read the title of the closed sessions?

1515
02:25:49,030 --> 02:26:07,770
Yes. There's one closed session and the subject is Conference with Legal Counsel Anticipated Litigation Significant Exposure to Litigation Pursuant to Government Code section 54956.9d21 case relating to a letter from Scott J. Rafferty.

1516
02:26:07,770 --> 02:26:28,590
On behalf of neighborhood elections now, received on June 7, 2023 petitioning the city to comply with the California Voting Rights Act, CVRA by beginning the process of transitioning from at large to single member district city council elections for the November 2024 election or potentially be sued under the CVRA.

1517
02:26:29,570 --> 02:26:35,330
Okay, so we're going to actually take public comment for this portion of the meeting.

1518
02:26:35,330 --> 02:26:36,190
Now?

1519
02:26:36,590 --> 02:26:36,870
Yes.

1520
02:26:37,310 --> 02:26:39,890
So, do you have anybody signed up for public comment?

1521
02:26:40,210 --> 02:26:40,490
I do.

1522
02:26:40,830 --> 02:26:42,730
The first individual is Scott Rafferty.

1523
02:26:43,170 --> 02:26:45,410
Following Scott Rafferty is James Garcia.

1524
02:26:46,090 --> 02:26:49,730
If you're joining us by Zoom or telephone and you'd like to submit public comment for

1525
02:26:49,730 --> 02:26:52,250
the closed session topic, please raise your hand.

1526
02:26:52,930 --> 02:26:53,250
Scott.

1527
02:26:53,830 --> 02:26:54,350
Thank you.

1528
02:26:55,090 --> 02:26:58,830
So, this is really an extraordinary evening, frankly, for me personally.

1529
02:26:59,470 --> 02:27:03,490
I've never been at one of these meetings that has been so unanimous.

1530
02:27:04,130 --> 02:27:08,030
And this is a surprisingly large number of speakers.

1531
02:27:10,230 --> 02:27:12,030
It's very gratifying, frankly.

1532
02:27:12,610 --> 02:27:17,630
Usually, there are people who are going on and on about how horrible at large this, so we didn't hear that.

1533
02:27:18,270 --> 02:27:24,250
We heard one speaker say they won four districts, and you've rolled that out already for good reason.

1534
02:27:25,890 --> 02:27:42,350
So, you know, again, I don't threaten litigation, but I don't give up either, so I do have – I'm disappointed that you haven't made a decision to go with five district members.

1535
02:27:43,030 --> 02:27:54,070
And I think most of the people here are. And I think it's an unwise decision to let this issue go out, because what you're going to find – I just have a very strong intuition.

1536
02:27:54,070 --> 02:27:57,950
And I don't live here, and I don't draw maps before I listen to the community.

1537
02:27:58,270 --> 02:28:02,950
But I know a lot about this area because I've worked with the school district and with Folsom.

1538
02:28:04,670 --> 02:28:14,950
And I know that the area west of Sunrise Boulevard is fine with four districts.

1539
02:28:15,290 --> 02:28:19,410
I don't know what they're going to look like exactly, but that's the right number.

1540
02:28:19,410 --> 02:28:25,970
number. It's also the right number because the average population in California that has

1541
02:28:25,970 --> 02:28:33,430
more than five members, the average population of the city is 300,000. And very, very few of

1542
02:28:33,430 --> 02:28:43,010
them are general lawsuits. So I just wish you would reconsider that. I hate to be the

1543
02:28:43,010 --> 02:28:47,930
bearer of bad news, but you're not going to be able to underpopulate Anatolia. And

1544
02:28:47,930 --> 02:29:02,130
And I heard someone talk about, we wanted to have this meeting in Anatolia because we're so impacted. But, you know, Anatolia is the high turnout, wealthy area of your city that doesn't have the impediments to participate in politics.

1545
02:29:02,550 --> 02:29:12,910
And they've just been benefiting for too long. And where you need to be is in in Cordova town, and empowering those people. That is the most important thing if you.

1546
02:29:12,910 --> 02:29:31,910
The Constitution says no more than 10%, but zero is the constitutional goal. That's not a target. That's an outer limit. And if you overpopulate Anatolia, or underpopulate Anatolia in anticipation of future growth, adverse to the under disenfranchised

1547
02:29:31,910 --> 02:29:36,090
or Latino and Black minorities that will violate state law,

1548
02:29:36,210 --> 02:29:38,670
which says you must use the adjusted census.

1549
02:29:38,950 --> 02:29:41,230
And the adjustment means more population,

1550
02:29:41,450 --> 02:29:45,210
the state adjusts the population of the poor areas

1551
02:29:45,210 --> 02:29:47,250
of the city upward.

1552
02:29:47,830 --> 02:29:50,890
And you don't get to consider a population like that.

1553
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:53,530
So I just wish you would listen to your constituents.

1554
02:29:53,970 --> 02:29:58,350
Five districts and four of them are gonna be east of,

1555
02:29:58,650 --> 02:29:59,970
I'm sorry, west of Sunrise.

1556
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,900
Thank you, Scott. Welcome, James.

1557
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:23,000
Evening, Council. I'm James Garcia, member of Stone Creek resident neighborhood. I want to say, well, I understand that the media blitzing of trying to get this meeting attention was been done.

1558
02:30:23,360 --> 02:30:28,240
I appreciate that you've tried to get as much participation as possible. It is hard.

1559
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:35,020
I just wish you would have had, possibly have had that card ready to go the moment we knew about this letter.

1560
02:30:35,440 --> 02:30:41,680
Because the decision was going to be, ultimately, either fight it or participate.

1561
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:45,960
So you could have had that card ready to go to the printer maybe a little bit faster.

1562
02:30:46,220 --> 02:30:49,960
But you did your best. Appreciate it. We've been trying to advertise it as well.

1563
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:53,520
But again, I do believe that we need five districts.

1564
02:30:53,520 --> 02:31:00,000
districts. It is appropriate for this size city and all the other cities around us. Five

1565
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:06,200
districts is all you need. Over here, I mentioned LA, 300,000 population per councilmember.

1566
02:31:06,860 --> 02:31:14,160
There's no need to go ahead and change. We have five. Keep with five. Sequencing, I strongly

1567
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:19,060
suggest that you keep, once you create your districts, whoever is going to be on

1568
02:31:19,060 --> 02:31:25,680
the council long enough. That's going to be Madam Butch as well as Mr. Gatewood. The two of them

1569
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:32,720
are in there for the longest time. They should get to have the longest term without being misrepresented.

1570
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:39,260
Have them be the 2026 election. Put the nonsense and the other three seats are for the 2024.

1571
02:31:39,640 --> 02:31:43,900
That's when they're due wherever they reside. Those are the districts that should come up.

1572
02:31:43,900 --> 02:31:50,100
do not separate. Don't play games. That's like misleading. That's misjustice for the

1573
02:31:50,100 --> 02:31:55,760
rest of the people here. They want representation. If those two seats are in a district that

1574
02:31:55,760 --> 02:32:01,720
are separate, which they should be, they need to stay as that election until 2026 when

1575
02:32:01,720 --> 02:32:05,600
their seats are due. Don't play games. Thank you.

1576
02:32:05,600 --> 02:32:06,800
Thank you, Scott.

1577
02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:10,260
Next speaker is Baiza Mughal.

1578
02:32:10,900 --> 02:32:11,700
Baiza, welcome.

1579
02:32:14,600 --> 02:32:15,180
Hello, again.

1580
02:32:15,860 --> 02:32:20,200
I am disappointed to hear that at the conclusion of today's meeting, we have not narrowed

1581
02:32:20,200 --> 02:32:23,980
down the number of districts we want to get split into.

1582
02:32:24,780 --> 02:32:28,840
Perhaps that was in consideration of the absence of Council Member Terry.

1583
02:32:29,460 --> 02:32:34,820
I recall at the last meeting, Council Member Terry was eager for us to narrow down

1584
02:32:34,820 --> 02:32:41,060
the amount of districts that we would be considering. And he said something along the lines of,

1585
02:32:41,200 --> 02:32:46,220
come on, don't you guys want to know exactly how many maps or districts you would need to include

1586
02:32:46,220 --> 02:32:52,280
on your map? So I do know he was in favor of us making that decision sooner, not later.

1587
02:32:52,820 --> 02:32:59,700
So if that is the reason for your hesitancy, I ask that you not use that as an excuse.

1588
02:33:00,620 --> 02:33:07,160
Also, again, I do have 53 signatures from my community members that are in support of

1589
02:33:07,160 --> 02:33:11,720
five districts, rotating mayor or musical mayor, as I like to say.

1590
02:33:12,520 --> 02:33:18,780
Imagine those 53 bodies in this room with us today, and you coming away not agreeing

1591
02:33:18,780 --> 02:33:24,880
with what the consensus consistently has been up until this point in all the different

1592
02:33:24,880 --> 02:33:27,220
formats that you have tried to seek input.

1593
02:33:27,220 --> 02:33:32,240
I don't understand why we are not at that conclusion yet.

1594
02:33:32,980 --> 02:33:43,260
It is plain and clear that that is what overwhelmingly you are hearing when you are receiving public comment, at least from your English speaking community.

1595
02:33:43,260 --> 02:33:59,320
And regarding the outreach, I know it definitely wasn't enough. I've seen this city do a lot more proactive outreach and engagement in retaliation to the Black Student Union at Cordova High when they started protesting having cops on campus.

1596
02:33:59,620 --> 02:34:12,300
There was a lot of energy put into social media by the city, putting videos together, gathering kids, making it fun and engaging, I guess, to promote a counter narrative against children.

1597
02:34:12,300 --> 02:34:24,120
But something as important as this when we are trying to reach those communities, I think that that maybe bring that same energy to things at this level, and we can do better for sure I don't want to hear more excuses.

1598
02:34:24,720 --> 02:34:25,400
Thank you.

1599
02:34:25,900 --> 02:34:26,780
Thank you, Faisa.

1600
02:34:27,580 --> 02:34:31,480
Next speaker is Matt Cummings, following Matt will be Helen Weyland Basha.

1601
02:34:31,960 --> 02:34:32,440
Matt.

1602
02:34:38,230 --> 02:34:40,390
Thank you residents for hanging out with us.

1603
02:34:40,390 --> 02:34:47,390
Matt Cummings, Capitol Village, can we just first please get past the idea, Garrett,

1604
02:34:47,590 --> 02:34:48,190
anybody else?

1605
02:34:48,710 --> 02:34:51,310
We are not your residents.

1606
02:34:51,790 --> 02:34:53,830
We are not your my people.

1607
02:34:53,970 --> 02:34:55,430
Can we just stop with that phrase?

1608
02:34:55,850 --> 02:35:00,490
Some people in this room did not vote for you, Garrett, and other people did, but doesn't

1609
02:35:00,490 --> 02:35:03,030
make you my residents.

1610
02:35:03,470 --> 02:35:04,730
Can we just stop with that, please?

1611
02:35:07,250 --> 02:35:11,850
second I think communications is missing the point there are some people in

1612
02:35:11,850 --> 02:35:15,890
this room and some people in our community who do not have access to the

1613
02:35:15,890 --> 02:35:20,770
internet if you're going to do this big social media I think the one thing we

1614
02:35:20,770 --> 02:35:25,550
missed tonight was how do we address people who do not have access to the

1615
02:35:25,550 --> 02:35:30,870
internet who may only have a landline I agree that in this time that may be a

1616
02:35:30,870 --> 02:35:34,210
very small number but it sounds like from what I'm hearing from the

1617
02:35:34,210 --> 02:35:38,910
community, that may be a bigger problem. And so getting the message out is as simple as

1618
02:35:38,910 --> 02:35:44,770
walking up to someone's door and dropping off a flyer. You can make that flyer quickly.

1619
02:35:45,270 --> 02:35:49,370
When I worked with Dan Skowlin to get him elected and re-elected, we made decisions

1620
02:35:49,370 --> 02:35:56,250
very quickly with a small budget. It is entirely possible that the communications division

1621
02:35:56,250 --> 02:36:02,810
here, the unit, can organize something to get out the message faster by handing it

1622
02:36:02,810 --> 02:36:09,950
out and getting it everywhere. Another point I'd like to make, I do not understand why so

1623
02:36:09,950 --> 02:36:17,310
many of you tonight are so fixated on seven council members. Based on the ill will that

1624
02:36:17,310 --> 02:36:24,790
you've created in this community, we residents do cannot walk with you down that path because

1625
02:36:24,790 --> 02:36:31,110
you have done so much to render our opinions useless that when you start talking about

1626
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:35,430
seven, we start thinking about, well, are you doing that to protect yourselves, to protect

1627
02:36:35,430 --> 02:36:41,710
your positions? Because the short and the long of it is, when you come into this situation

1628
02:36:42,290 --> 02:36:47,150
in 2024, which is just next year, you're going to have an overwhelming number of people

1629
02:36:47,150 --> 02:36:53,270
still representing Anatolia, and representing Anatolia for up to three years from this

1630
02:36:53,270 --> 02:37:00,330
point. And so you have to, like, come correct on the idea that we want five districts

1631
02:37:00,330 --> 02:37:09,730
and get past this idea that somehow seven makes a difference, unless going through this map and going through the data, it somehow comes out that that's what we need to do.

1632
02:37:11,150 --> 02:37:24,070
Final point, as a former teacher, the best way to make this document readable is to take the map, turn it sideways, and there's this whole other side of the page that we can put information on.

1633
02:37:24,070 --> 02:37:27,630
and facts about what we're legally entitled to do.

1634
02:37:28,430 --> 02:37:29,970
Why are we not talking about that?

1635
02:37:30,090 --> 02:37:31,570
That wouldn't allow the map to grow bigger.

1636
02:37:32,030 --> 02:37:34,250
We could add more landmarks.

1637
02:37:34,410 --> 02:37:37,930
Why we are not talking about that, just I don't get it,

1638
02:37:37,990 --> 02:37:39,630
but it's endemic of what this city does.

1639
02:37:40,430 --> 02:37:40,870
Thanks.

1640
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:43,050
Thank you, Matt. Helen.

1641
02:37:47,660 --> 02:37:49,600
Helen, we're on Basha back again.

1642
02:37:50,320 --> 02:37:53,860
First off, I don't wanna see any extension of time limits.

1643
02:37:54,200 --> 02:37:56,940
I think we need to go with where we are and keep going.

1644
02:37:57,860 --> 02:38:04,540
I heard comments being made by the council that five people that you're

1645
02:38:04,540 --> 02:38:08,880
and representing the different districts will mean that you're only going to

1646
02:38:08,880 --> 02:38:12,600
concentrate on yours. How many of you have played ball? What about the football

1647
02:38:12,600 --> 02:38:15,820
team? Don't you have the quarterback that controls all the people in the

1648
02:38:15,820 --> 02:38:20,720
field? That's what your mayor is about. Why do you have a rotating mayor? I

1649
02:38:20,720 --> 02:38:26,140
think a person is seasoned by the community by being in a rotating job.

1650
02:38:26,140 --> 02:38:41,120
When you put out to have a mayor elected as a single person, you might not get the strongest point, a person, and there might be a, there might be, they might not have the skill sets that they need.

1651
02:38:41,240 --> 02:38:51,640
I believe that by rotating through the positions, and you get elected again, you're learning more about the city. You can make better judgments on that.

1652
02:38:53,200 --> 02:38:59,260
So, I believe that the majority in here have talked about five districts.

1653
02:38:59,860 --> 02:39:09,120
If the city representatives elect to go outside of the five districts with the rotating mayor,

1654
02:39:09,400 --> 02:39:10,800
you're not listening to your people.

1655
02:39:11,020 --> 02:39:17,760
You're slapping us in the face once again when we have these meetings and we voice

1656
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:20,020
our concerns and then we see what happens.

1657
02:39:20,020 --> 02:39:27,860
A good example of this is when we put the bicycle lanes in, the funding required to protect

1658
02:39:27,860 --> 02:39:32,540
the bicycle lanes to be at a 45-mile-hour street.

1659
02:39:33,040 --> 02:39:41,160
The protective bicycle lane that the council elected for was on Rod Boudre and going up

1660
02:39:41,160 --> 02:39:41,560
Routier.

1661
02:39:42,160 --> 02:39:44,360
Both are 25-mile-hour streets.

1662
02:39:44,660 --> 02:39:48,800
What will happen if the feds ever came back and found out and began to pay them back?

1663
02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:54,260
So you need to listen to your people. You didn't listen to your people with that bicycle lane.

1664
02:39:54,560 --> 02:39:59,760
We've had problems with congestions on the Rodbo Dew Street. Listen to your people now.

1665
02:40:00,380 --> 02:40:06,320
And the majority in here has referenced five people rotating mayor.

1666
02:40:06,680 --> 02:40:10,120
There's nothing wrong with that. We're not big like LA.

1667
02:40:10,580 --> 02:40:14,520
We're still small enough and you can still work with each other.

1668
02:40:14,520 --> 02:40:20,120
If we have problems with people in positions that get power hungry and don't want to cooperate,

1669
02:40:20,380 --> 02:40:24,360
they're not part of the team. That's a reflection of your mayor.

1670
02:40:24,720 --> 02:40:30,520
Your mayor should have the skill set to be able to keep the team in line, just like your quarterback does.

1671
02:40:30,800 --> 02:40:31,200
Thank you.

1672
02:40:31,800 --> 02:40:33,560
Thank you, Helen. Anybody else?

1673
02:40:35,680 --> 02:40:41,900
That's all the speaker cards that I have for this item, and there are no hands that are raised in Zoom or by telephone,

1674
02:40:41,900 --> 02:40:45,160
And no additional emails were submitted for this item.

1675
02:40:45,760 --> 02:40:46,220
Okay.

1676
02:40:46,700 --> 02:40:47,680
And we're going to.

1677
02:40:47,980 --> 02:40:48,460
Sorry.

1678
02:40:48,840 --> 02:40:51,120
I was just looking at the speaker cards that I had.

1679
02:40:53,360 --> 02:40:54,700
I'm going to speak from here.

1680
02:40:55,980 --> 02:40:59,160
We can't nobody can hear you and you need to be at the microphone.

1681
02:41:02,920 --> 02:41:05,040
How many times do I have to tell you all.

1682
02:41:07,360 --> 02:41:10,240
I get exhausted running back and forth to the podium.

1683
02:41:11,180 --> 02:41:12,100
I know that.

1684
02:41:12,180 --> 02:41:13,280
Stacy would have brought you a microphone.

1685
02:41:13,480 --> 02:41:16,060
You know, that's an afterthought.

1686
02:41:17,000 --> 02:41:23,560
I'd like to express that if you're doing outreach,

1687
02:41:23,700 --> 02:41:27,820
I was an outreach coordinator for both Sac State

1688
02:41:27,820 --> 02:41:34,260
and for a public set of Sacramento Employment and Training

1689
02:41:34,260 --> 02:41:35,960
Agency back in the 80s.

1690
02:41:35,960 --> 02:41:42,760
And whenever I did outreach, and I didn't have a vehicle at the time, I had a bus pass.

1691
02:41:43,640 --> 02:41:50,640
And what I did is that whenever I had information that needed to go out in the neighborhoods, my targeted areas,

1692
02:41:51,180 --> 02:41:59,820
what I did is that I'd take Scotch tape or even, you know, however you want to call your tape, it's not always Scotch.

1693
02:41:59,820 --> 02:42:23,740
But, and take my flyers to regional transit, I go up, put in my coins, this is a long time ago, obviously, and ask the driver, is it okay to put a flyer so that your writers can read my flyers on employment for youth?

1694
02:42:24,480 --> 02:42:25,280
No problem.

1695
02:42:25,280 --> 02:42:49,420
Most of the time, you're going to have a good reaction from a public agency, such as regional transit, if you were to put, if we can put plaque board signage on the buses or either at the bus stops or even a temporary signage that's in the bus.

1696
02:42:49,780 --> 02:42:53,220
This is the way I recall back in the day when I used to ride the bus.

1697
02:42:54,140 --> 02:42:56,220
And they have signage on there.

1698
02:42:56,540 --> 02:42:58,420
People can write that information down.

1699
02:42:58,540 --> 02:43:00,000
I hope I'm not boring you, Linda.

1700
02:43:00,520 --> 02:43:06,120
But the thing of it is that you have to outreach, is outreach, to go out into the neighborhood.

1701
02:43:06,300 --> 02:43:12,600
That's how I did my job, without a car, and doing everything by walking, by running,

1702
02:43:13,020 --> 02:43:17,860
and by riding regional transit, and by living in Rancho Cordova, and having to

1703
02:43:17,860 --> 02:43:19,600
do my outreach in South Sacramento.

1704
02:43:21,080 --> 02:43:26,040
It's not, what do you call it, science.

1705
02:43:26,860 --> 02:43:31,260
You just have to think outside the box and don't take the easy way, okay?

1706
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:33,200
I don't shop at Viva.

1707
02:43:33,500 --> 02:43:35,040
I don't shop at Magantul.

1708
02:43:35,880 --> 02:43:37,740
I shop where I can.

1709
02:43:38,580 --> 02:43:46,640
And not all ethnics shop in the same stores where we go where it's affordable, okay?

1710
02:43:46,640 --> 02:43:54,140
But, you know, the simplest things, even just brainstorming, having a roundtable discussion

1711
02:43:54,140 --> 02:43:58,280
with the people that voted for you, I don't see that happening.

1712
02:43:59,540 --> 02:44:06,940
It's just something that needs to be screened because someone is not listening.

1713
02:44:06,940 --> 02:44:16,920
And again, I agree with Mr. Cummings stop calling us my people, Garrett. Thank you.

1714
02:44:19,470 --> 02:44:26,230
Okay. So now we are going to adjourn to closed session and we will there will be a report out.

1715
02:44:28,670 --> 02:44:29,310
Good night.

1716
02:44:36,310 --> 02:44:37,170
Thanks for 70.

1717
02:44:38,050 --> 02:44:38,770
Okay.

1718
02:44:38,770 --> 02:44:49,310
Okay, I will call this meeting back to order. The city council has been in closed session for a few minutes. And we'll ask our city attorney for a report out in closed session.

1719
02:44:49,490 --> 02:44:59,830
Thank you madam mayor members the council and community this this evening the city council met on one item of anticipated location and received updates from and provided direction to legal.

1720
02:45:00,940 --> 02:45:09,760
Thank you, Adam. So we're going to adjourn this meeting tonight in honor of all those poor people in Maui who are struggling mightily. Good night.