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Mr. Mayor, well, you snuck in. I didn't
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» I did.
>> Was late today.

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» That's Robin's job.
>> Oh, something like that.

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» That's the 194

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Hey, warm.

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» All right, let's go ahead and we're
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Thank you.

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All right. This meeting is called the
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All right. Let's let's start off with
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let's let's start off with a prayer. I'm
going to go ahead and pray for us. God,

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thank you for another day. Lord God, we
love you. We thank you for all of you

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that bless us.
We thank you for what you're doing here

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in Rando, Lord God. We thank you for
what you're doing here in the United

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States, Lord God. I thank you for what
you're doing all over the world. Thank

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you for bringing people together, Lord
God, helping us to work even though we

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may be different. Work together even
though we may be different. Lord God, we

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ask you to help us to be a successful
meeting. Lord God, a productive meeting

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that's going to uh edify the people here
in Random and also so that we may do

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what you want us to do. We ask these
things in Jesus name. Amen.

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» Amen.
>> Amen.

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» All right, let's start off with a roll
call. Reagan.

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» Mayor Cody
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» Mayor Pro Roman Con
>> here. Commissioner Doug

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» here.
>> Commissioner Ronnie Walls

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» here.
>> Commissioner

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» here.
>> Commissioner Hill.

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» All right. Um, let's uh do we have a
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adopt the agenda?
>> I like motion.

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» I'll second.
>> All right. All in favor?

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Agenda is adopted. Um, okay. Uh, let's
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have one.

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» Shardia.
That's correct. I said right. All right.

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So, just state your name and address.
>> Sharding 5217

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Road. Thank you. And
>> your title. State your title.

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» Chair for Revo Resource Network.
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You had the the chair on which which
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» Resources network.
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» Okay. That committee and the landlord
experience met last week and elected

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chairs.
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» Mr. G is the chair of the Randler
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» So what I am presenting today is a um
budget proposal for this new committee.

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Um in our meeting last week, we um were
enlightened that this is a um committees

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that does not have prior existence in
the town. So there's no budget line for

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it. So we want to be able to be included
in the budget um in the next fiscal year

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so that we have funding for some of the
things that we have lined up or that we

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will have lined up. Keep in mind that
this is very preliminary. We are about 6

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days into committee. So, um, what we
have right now is the vision. So, I just

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want you guys to keep that in mind as we
go through the proposal that I've

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presented to you. So, um, the first
three pages is just a, um, sort of a

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table of contents of the budget and the
thank you letter for allowing me to um,

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have your time today.
If we could go to the third page for the

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introduction for the committee.

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The Rena The Reno Resource Network will
empower residents by connecting them

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with essential programs, supportive
services, and community partnerships. We

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promote access to health care,
mentoring, housing assistance, and

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neighbor to neighbor support to
strengthen the well-being, resilience,

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and unity of the Rambo community. what
the resource network will do. We will

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connect residents to health care,
support mentoring and youth programs,

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assist with rent and utility navigation,
strengthen the community partnership,

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and provide senior support and child
focused resources. Why RLow needs this?

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Many residents are unaware of available
programs, growing need for senior

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support and youth engagement. there's an
increased demand for navigation and

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application assistance for these
programs and also to have the

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opportunity to strengthen the community
um unity now resilience.

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We do have a very preliminary 90-day
action plan um that we that I've kind of

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lined out for you. Our focus is going to
be to tap into resources that are

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already existing. Um we're not trying to
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grab onto the wheel that's already
spinning and take advantage of a lot of

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the um county resources that are
available and connecting rental

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residents to them and make sure that
they are aware of what's available, how

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to get into them, a pathway to get those
applications done and basically to

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assist them through those processes and
make sure that we're being able um to

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benefit from them. So some of the things
that we will um be doing in our next

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meeting um in our first 30 days is we'll
be finalizing our mission, our scope and

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the committee structure. We'll build an
initial resource directory meeting that

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we're going to reach out to different
organizations within the county. See

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what um resources are available. Build
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Make it something that can be
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have highlights in the newsletter that
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bills every month and things like that
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available. Um we will begin volunteer on
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seven committee members we can't do
everything. So we will be enlisted in

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the help of other residents to be able
to volunteer to help us out and reach

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our neighbors. Um we will identify child
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gaps. That is a lot of the focus.
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disparity between children and seniors
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them. Um and hopefully by the um second
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We'll be meeting with um Department of
Social Services, schools, churches,

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nonprofit organizations, county resource
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organizations focused on service safety
and security so that we can implement

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those into our communities. Our
engagement actions will include

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evaluating community needs, recruiting
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releasing the resources directive,
identifying programs for children and

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seniors. Um phase three we should be in
our launch. We'll be posting our first

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application help um launching healthcare
navigation dropin hours planning

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community connect days started with
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outreach and youth engagement.
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will be able to take action that
um following the 90-day action plan. I

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have a proposed annual budget. This is
very preliminary. Um, so these are some

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of the things that I can see that we
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awareness to the programs that be
available to be able to host things that

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we need um for the community um
administrative and operational

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which we will be able to use some of the
resources that the county um that the

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town already has available for these um
as well. But we may need extra resources

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on top of what they're already using it
for because if they already have a

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budget for printing materials, office
supplies, they have an administrative

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contingency and things like that. Then
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them, then it'll increase their budget.
So we want to be able to have some um

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specific funds allocated for us to be
able to do those things. Um we are also

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requesting funds for community events
and programs, community connect day, and

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we see that as a live event. um really
haven't put the vision together for that

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yet, but maybe something at the ball
field, maybe something here where we'll

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have um some light catering just to
create some engagement and let the

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community know that we are here and to
be able to introduce those services to

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them. um application helps where we may
have um specific events where people can

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come in and discuss utilities um more
rent child care resources

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um just different things like that is
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event that's programs also healthcare
navigation where we have health fairs um

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full-blown health fairs with the
providers blood pressure checks diabetes

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checks and things like that we'll be
asking some of the community positions

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and tradition are offices to assist us
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um more than likely we will have to
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them engaged or light food and things
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neighbor initiative sometimes even just
be going out my front doors if we have a

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particular neighborhood they may despair
get there seeing what's going on how can

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we help and what resources are available
um volunteer support and training we may

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need training materials um volunteer
appreciation that will be a small so

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important to keep people engaged and to
encourage them to be able to continue to

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volunteer with the program in years
going forward and then background ground

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checks. I did put that on there because
when I think about servicing seniors and

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children, we may be doing something with
that. We want to know who we have

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involved in that and we, you know, just
if we were doing um just a big

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neighborhood program or something like
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people are, make sure that it's a safe
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seniors to be in. So, that's not
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discussion into at this point, but I
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that we would definitely want to take
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like that. Um marketing and outreach, so
social media ads. Like, you know, we

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have a Facebook um page, but just to
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what is doing to put it in front of
their face for people who don't follow

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us. You know, we've been sucking in the
back for a little while now and it's

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time to let people know that is here.
um banners and signage so that we can

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have professional appearance at our
events. Um we can also use any other

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materials or decorations to anything
that the town already has. There's just

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something that says resource network on
it to be incorporated into that break.

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Um so that puts us at just an estimated
um budget request of about $8,000 a

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year. And what we want you to remember
is that these on the next page that

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these efforts are going to have a huge
impact in the community. It's going to

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increase access to health care for our
residents. We'll have a stronger support

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for our children and seniors. It'll
reduce crisis situations that will have

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um cost for our paramedics, for the fire
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because people will have resources that
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we'll have an impact there. will create
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Hopefully we can create more unity so um
and make the neighborhoods and the um

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communities feel st safe and stable. So
the resource network will provide

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meaning meaningful measurable support to
residents by improving access to health

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care, mentoring, housing resources and
community services. with the requested

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funds, we can reduce crisis situation,
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build a more connected and resilient.
And I just wanted to thank you, mayor,

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and committee members for allowing me to
um request this. I've also included a

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budget justification sheet that you guys
can um take a moment and look over as

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you um look into, you know, how much you
can allocate for our um efforts. And

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also we are open to suggestions and we
are you know open to sharing budget and

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any other other committees that may have
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» Can I ask a question?
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» Uh I see on here you got the background
checks. We didn't get those for the

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committees. Do we need those for our
committees to have background checks? Um

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well I will say because I think the
committee members are appointing

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government officials and everyone's
going to be held to the same standard

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and that's some not something that we
can hold our volunteers to because that

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they can walk away from the event with
no obligation. So I would say that I

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don't think it's necessary for the
community members but I do think it

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would be necessary for people that we
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standard
that that we cannot hold the same

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standard. I praise that

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any other question

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that very good presentation.
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» Okay. Um
let's move down to the new business. Um

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the uh town hall and police station
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uh from uh Mosley architects.
>> Yes, sir. Thank you very much for having

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me. Um Charlie, are you going to
advance? How do we how do we

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» just point the the guy that blew the
shirt back?

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» You got it. You got us covered. Okay,
great. I'll stand over here with the

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podium. And do you want um do you want
me to kind of set the table or do you

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want to kind of handle that? How do you
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» I'm I'm happy to set the table. Yeah,
you know what? Awesome. Well,

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» okay. Um also during your presentation,
are you going to discuss the uh

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building, the sizing of the building,
the future conceptual plans?

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» Yes, sir. Sure. All right. All right.
>> Yep. So, we've got a presentation

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that'll be shown behind you there. Um my
name is Josh Bennett, vice president

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with Mosley. I oversee our civic sector
for our firm and that includes all of

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our public safety projects uh as well as
town halls, social services, that kind

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of thing. Tonight we're going to focus
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With me tonight is Craig Honeyut. He is
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planning. Uh he's former town, city, and
county manager. Did I cover all of them?

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» Great. Uh Greg brings great insight into
our projects because he has sat on your

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side of the table for many years in many
different capacities. So uh if I stumble

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at all, I'm sure he will be able to pick
me up. So we'll go ahead and get started

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with the the first slide. I want to talk
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process to kick this off. Um when we
manage an architectural process, we want

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to determine what your need is and then
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So our first step with your project was
to go through what we call a program

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verification phase. Uh we did data
gathering. We h uh issued questionnaires

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to building users and occupants. Uh we
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developed a building program. That
program told us how big the building

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needed to be. Okay, this was a critical
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drill down into what the users needed
for the building, what the growth was

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projected to actually be and not just
what they wanted. Okay? So, if the chief

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wanted a large office with a steam room
in it and we said, "Do you really need a

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steam room, Chief? Or can you can you go
to the gym? you have one in your

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basement. He said, "Yeah, you're right.
I can use that one. I don't need it." We

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were able to pair that down and
determine very early on how big the

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building is going to be. Okay. Then we
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about halfway through that process. Now,
we've laid out several options for how

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the building could be configured. We're
looking at are the spaces next to the

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correct spaces. Are they organized
properly? Do we have proper security

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measures in the building? How does it
fit on the site? What does the building

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look like? How massive is it? Is it
tall? Is it wide? Is it um is it is it

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uh contextual to where it's going to be?
Ramano is a very unique town. It has

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really unique houses and factories and
and uh some architecture in it that

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deserves to be acknowledged in that
process. So, we're working through that

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now. Eventually, we're going to move
forward into additional phases. Design

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development where we look at what
finishes go into the building. We

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finalize details on the site like where
the fencing goes and how that's going to

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operate. And then construction documents
where we will issue final specifications

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and talk about things like flashing and
door locks and things like that. Once

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that's done, we'll go through a
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project to local contractors. And then
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begin construction. Okay. So, as of
right now, we're still in the infancy of

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the project. So, everything we're going
to show you guys now is still up for uh

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is still up for some work. So, can we go
to the next slide, please? This is the

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summary sheet from our uh space needs
assessment. And you'll see here on the

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the the left hand side, we've listed a
police department, the administration,

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and then any space in the building that
can be shared. Under current personnel,

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we're showing 14 people for the police
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administration.
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2031 needs, 2036 needs, and 2046 needs.
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going to grow over time. What we have
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approximately 32 staff and 12,548
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support that staff. That is the number
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this building when it opens will have
some empty offices in it because it's

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going to last us for 20 years before we
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sense?
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Now does do
let me start that over. Does that

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projected need make sense given the
relative growth of ramping? It's not one

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to one
people moving in and services you

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provide because there's a scale to
everything. But we went ahead and

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looked. We said your police are growing
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increase. Given the growth around
Ramblow and how that continues to impact

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you, that that seems consistent with
what we've seen in other locations,

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administration is growing from 7 to 10.
That doesn't sound like much, but that's

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a 42% increase. That's pretty
significant. And with automation and and

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the way that the town hall is set up,
which you'll see in a moment, there's

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some efficiency that will be gained that
allows the town to continue to grow and

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operate very efficiently.
your annual growth rate has been 1.3%

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since 2019. Uh, and so I looking back at
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we've grown to about 4750. And so if we
project that out, your 20-year growth,

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you'll be uh right around 6,200 people.
Uh, an increase of about 36.2%.

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So just numbers. I like numbers and
data. Just kind of helps us get some

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perspective on things. Okay, we go to
the next slide. This is a summary sheet.

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I want you guys just to see a little bit
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so that you can have confidence that
we've accounted for certain things. Uh

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you'll see here for the police
department we're accounting for a chief,

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an assistant chief, captain, detective,
patrol sergeants, patrol officers, admin

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assistants, and then we are also looking
at all the support spaces, wellness

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rooms, code enforcement folks, evidence
storage, interview rooms, interview

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toilets, all of that goes into building
that square footage number that you saw

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on the previous page. Can we go to the
next slide, please? Uh administration is

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the same way. We've got everything from
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office to a records room. And then in
the shared spaces, we're listing

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community room, kitchen, janitor's
closet, that kind of thing. So, all of

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those numbers go into building up what
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Great. So, we took all those numbers and
all those spaces and then we laid them

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out on a plan uh to try to start to
develop what would be a good efficient

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layout. There are some rules that we set
at the beginning which said we need the

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police and the town to be separate. We
need the community spaces and the shared

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spaces for the public to be accessible
without having to go through any of

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those spaces. And we want to share uh
any areas that we possibly can to

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maximize building efficiency.
So option one, we've got separate uh

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community room and or chambers and EOC.
uh it makes for a very uh square

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footprint. It's very wide and deep uh
which when when we set it on the site

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takes up a lot of room. It's not very
efficient. Um this does get us a salad

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corn on the left for the police and then
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option one uh for administration.
So vehicular circulation around that

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that site gets challenging. Option two
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the EOCC outboard uh which which gave us
a little breathing room to elongate the

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plan. Option three, which is what we've
moved forward on the site, just for you

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to see, is an elongated footprint. We
actually have a shared EOC chambers in

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the middle. That that pink space that
you can see there. Uh that gives us a

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larger room with the ability to expand
our town hall meetings to have uh even

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more people in them when the EOC is not
active. Presumably those two spaces will

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not ever be active at the same time. Um
this allows us to have that that larger

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combined chambers. uh we have good
interior secure flow and we're able to

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separate the uh drive-thru space from
the salad pool space. So if we go to the

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next slide, this is that that plan. You
can see there the right you come right

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into the entrance and you come right
into the chambers on the back side.

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You'll have secure access so that when
you all come to a meeting, you can come

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in the back door. You don't have to come
through the front door in case you've

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got something contentious going on. You
guys are able to move around securely.

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Same with police. that door into their
secure parking lot. Uh and then uh

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Charlie,
you you're on your own. We'll put you up

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front. Everybody will know where you're
coming from. So, we can go to the next

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slide. Um that's all in just because we
do need to work out with you all where

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the secure parking needs to go. But this
is how it could work. Now, this is

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option one. Option two is coming. Option
one shows that the existing ball field

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remains in some capacity. In the upper
right, you'll see there's a dashed black

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line that represents a fence. This is
where we would say the police would come

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in. They would be able to park securely.
Uh they would have their salt uh within

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that secure area so that we could
circulate through there. On the southern

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end, you'll see bill pay window listed
across the building and that allows the

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public to circulate up against the
building so the driver's side can get to

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the window. Um, so this plan fits very
nicely and snugly along Spencer Mountain

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Road and allows a lot of space left on
the site to to be able to do other

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things. The next slide show us our other
option where we reinvision what this

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site can be um if the ball field were to
go away. We've heard talk about retail,

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amphitheater, green space, plazas,
potentially even closing Park Drive at

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some point. Uh, I hope that's not a
surprise.

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react to adversely.
>> I have a question.

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» Go right ahead.
>> On your previous slide.

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» Yes, ma'am.
>> Well, the same area is right there. This

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is where our previous town hall was
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» down on you. You can actually see it
right out right there. That's your

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previous town hall. So, we're not
rebuilding on that.

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» You're not going to build back on that
town?

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» No, ma'am. That's a not a good spot to
build as that would require some

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remediation. We understand there's the
soils in the earth up where we're

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showing it now is much better for this
type of house.

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Yes, ma'am.

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» So, here we're talking about the
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That would require us to maybe reorient
or reposition the town hall a little

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bit. Um, but that's that's something
that we can we can work through with

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you. The pink is showing your your
pedestrian circulation and how we think

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that people um residents, citizens,
visitors would move through that site.

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» How about the parking?
>> So, the parking is indicated. You see

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those little numbers like 88866868.
That's the number of parking spaces

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that'll fit in each of those areas.

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So, for this one in the upper right,
you'll see we've got

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uh 24 spaces for the police. And that'll
that'll last them for a while. I guess

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take them, right? Take home cars. Yeah.
So, they have take home cars. So,

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they're they're coming in parking,
briefing, and then going back out. Um

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and then for for staff and public out
front there, you've got 18 24 26 spaces.

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And then for your green space, you've
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» So, what would be the accommodation for
the amphitheater? How many people would

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that come accommodate?
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right now. We haven't designed that or
thought that through, but that's a great

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question. We can talk about that as we
develop this.

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I think what we want to do is what our
charge right now is is to focus on the

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town hall police station and then as the
amphitheater becomes closer to reality,

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what we want to do is make sure that
what we do here with the town hall

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police station doesn't impede your
future vision for that. So we we may not

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fully resolve the retail space for
example, but we want to make sure that

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we set you up so that you can do
something in the future.

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So we go to the next one. Then
this is what I was talking about with

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massing. So we're looking at how this
building is going to sit potentially on

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site, how people are going to approach
the front door. What what scale does

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this building bring as it gets a high
roof, a pitched roof, a low roof, a flat

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roof? Are there any spaces that require
twotory volume? So, if we think about

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your um chambers, your media room,
that's going to want to have a higher

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ceiling than some of the other office
spaces that are adjacent. So, it makes

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sense to bring that volume up and
express that architecturally on the

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outside. That also gives us a little
roof line relief. This is right against

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that residential area, and we want to be
sensitive to that, right? We don't want

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to overpower, overwhelm those nearby
homes. So, we want this to be contextual

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and to fit into that area. Um,
so these are going to be further

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developed. The next ones will have
brick, I promise. Um, so we'll be able

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to see that.
And I think that's our last slide. Oh,

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so here's where we are. Thank you.
Um, our next steps, we're going to go

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through plan reviews with all of the
building occupants. We're going to look

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at our exterior materials and start to
have discussions on how that building

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looks. Does it fit into the uh community
and what are our systems in the

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building? How does the HVAC work, the
electrical work, is it easy to maintain?

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Is it something your folks are familiar
with? Um and and is it is it efficient?

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Once we're done with that, we'll wrap it
up, submit it to you all to uh review

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and approve. we can come back and and
meet with you guys and walk through

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those plans again. Uh and then we move
forward into design. All told this

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timeline um from now on we can wrap up
in anywhere between 4 and 6 months

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depending on
basis we want to have.

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I've drowned on for quite a while. Thank
you for your time. I appreciate it. Good

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presentation. Very good presentation.
Um,

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really like what you have set up there.
Um, I like what you have. Um, the way

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you position it. Um, I don't know about
the the rest of the committee members.

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Um, like you put a lot of uh thought
into it. Um, love the fact that you have

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um using the the designs on that third
plan where you have the um the chambers

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area or whatever you call it right
there. Then you have that extended area

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and also uh he also noted that he's
going to have a petition there where we

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can actually um uh make that for shorter
times.

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if it's only a small meeting, we'll just
have that petition up. When it's not,

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the petitioner go down. Um he also made
it um that would be phase two. He talked

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about his phase two. about that that you
went ahead and included that phase two

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of adding the retail and the uh
amphitheater because uh one of the

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things that uh I envision is bringing
the town more money and the only way

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we're going to do that is going by
having more businesses. If we have

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businesses in on our land, land that we
already own, uh that will help bring in

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more money for the uh personnel and for
other projects. Uh rent out in Gaston

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County is super high. I will tell you
that right now. I told you that someone

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out here right on Hosart get some small
bills pay over $4,000

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um for that their space. If you go down
holes, walk right out here. These places

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don't look like much, but they're $4,000
a month. Over $4,000 a month. Um, I

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think we can get some business in here.
Some some shops that we don't have,

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coffee shops and things.
I think if we had amped, we can bring in

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singers and things of that nature.
That's also going to generate money. So

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this is this is all about generating
money so that we can uh support projects

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and actually make sure we have uh enough
money to support the people uh that work

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here.
>> That's all I'll say on that.

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» Are you going to go back to the design
of the animal theater?

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» So when you say green space, what is the
green space platform?

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» So that's up to our imagination. Um,
we're reserving that space in our

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planning to suggest that that would be a
good use for that. Um, you could do a

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splash pad. You could have a turf area
to, you know, have some pick up soccer

411
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:12,799
games or something. Um, it's a community
space. It's just a space. Okay.

412
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:14,080
» And how many square foot you don't know
>> of green space?

413
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:21,039
» Yes.
>> I don't know, but I can find that out.

414
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:25,679
And so the town hall on that side will
still be the same as the other.

415
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:28,240
» Yes, it's the same. We would just
>> dimension

416
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:32,000
» flip it, rotate it. Yes, ma'am. We would
just kind of work work that in. If we

417
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:35,919
have to make some plan changes to make
something else work, we are

418
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:40,080
» Do you know what the square footage is
on that one?

419
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:43,320
» You're roughly just under 13,000 ft for
that building.

420
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:55,039
Mr. Mayor, do you mind if I ask a quick
question? Absolutely. CJ, can

421
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:59,200
» you go to that um the steps page towards
the end?

422
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:02,240
You mind if I ask a quick question?
>> By all means.

423
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:07,600
» Um just so that I can also as a town
manager wrap my head around how we can

424
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:11,679
keep us moving uh advantageously, I
guess maybe would be the word. So when

425
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:15,919
we're sitting here in schematic design,
I think what's nice about

426
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:19,040
speaking on behalf of myself as a
manager, not as a voting person, what I

427
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:24,320
think is nice about how you've designed
it is it's right now it's built to where

428
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,879
it could be made into phases, right?
Which I think some of the board members

429
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:32,560
have expressed that to me where um you
know it could be it could lead to phase

430
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:37,119
one is town hall police station, phase
two is retail, phase three is whatever

431
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:40,320
the board kind of comes up with, right?
But it seems like, and just I want to

432
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:45,280
make sure I'm getting this. When we're
in the schematic design step so that we

433
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:49,839
don't stop, is what you would be looking
for, not to put you in a bad spot, is

434
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:54,560
what you're looking for as far as site
configuration. Does that have to be

435
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:57,920
buttoned up in this step? And I guess
the reason I said all the schematic

436
00:34:55,919 --> 00:35:02,160
stuff or the phase stuff is really what
the board just needs to decide is where

437
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,480
it's sitting and how it's rotated. Is
that kind of right?

438
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:09,680
» Essentially, yes.
>> Yeah. because we'll tweak it through

439
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,800
design development, but at some point we
need to do go through planning

440
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,800
department submissions to make sure we
stay on schedule. Uh so you're you're

441
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:20,960
absolutely right. At this phase, the
closer we can get the dean in the right

442
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:24,880
spot, the easier it's going to be for us
to submit for planning department

443
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,400
approval and that's usually the long
goal of intent. You know, that they take

444
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,800
the longest to review and get back to
us. We want that review to be wrapped up

445
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:38,960
by the time we finish construction
documents so that we can submit the

446
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:43,440
permit, go to bid, be ready to go. Um, I
don't ever want the town to feel though

447
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:48,800
like you're locked in. We will try to
keep you apprised of critical milestones

448
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:53,760
such as that. If you're sitting there
and you're like, you know, Josh, mayor's

449
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:58,000
office, you know, I want to paint paint
the wall in there orange. Tell me now.

450
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:02,400
We'll write it down. will make sure it
happens. There's never too early to tell

451
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,640
me. There never is too late to tell me
something. There will become a point

452
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:10,320
where that starts to become um an
impediment. And I think what's so

453
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,440
beneficial about you guys coming here
and thank you all for being here is that

454
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,000
you know we had heard from this board
you know hey we want to have an

455
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:21,440
opportunity for input which is exactly
what this opportunity is but also to

456
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:25,119
know that really the just the direction
could just be that the layout almost the

457
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,560
end. because that gives you enough
running room so that we can make this

458
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,839
thing happen and and start generating
that revenue or start you know have get

459
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:36,079
out of the trade right so it's good to
know kind of you know there are a lot of

460
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,599
different options here but but having
that kind of that okay I think this is

461
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:42,960
kind of the direction that this board is
is thinking would would make it that

462
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,599
much faster
>> right

463
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,680
» yes
>> and I also um requested that we keep in

464
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,040
touch
>> yes

465
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:56,640
» um monthly
bi-weekly or what bimonthly

466
00:36:53,440 --> 00:37:00,400
» Mhm. uh meetings um however you guys
want to set up that schedule. Great.

467
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,040
» Um just to kind of tell us where you are
in the uh process.

468
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:08,160
» Yes, sir.
>> I think major milestones make make good

469
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:13,119
sense when we get ready to make critical
decisions and we'll coordinate those

470
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:16,800
with uh the manager. Make sure we get
get together for that.

471
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:23,520
» Great.
My my biggest um

472
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:29,680
thing is we have an opportunity to
really lay this out for 50 years, 100

473
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:34,000
years. And so taking this opportunity to
really think about what we want it to

474
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:38,760
look like, not just in 20 years, but in
50 years that I was up long.

475
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:47,599
Um, so
>> that was only,

476
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:54,320
» right? And so I I personally really want
to see us not just think 20 years, but

477
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:58,800
more down the line of what the potential
possibility could be because again,

478
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:03,040
building town halls are expensive. So
we're not doing this every 20 years.

479
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:06,000
» That's right.
>> And I'm not disagreeing with that. I

480
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,960
think that's a great I think it's
awesome idea. Uh the only thing is is we

481
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:18,000
we're limited on money. We're limited on
funds. So uh we'll we'll have to see

482
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:22,880
what we can build for now and then um
hopefully

483
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:28,960
that building can be updated.
Like you said earlier said maybe uh we

484
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:32,079
can add another floor.
I don't know how that'll work with the

485
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:37,520
elevated ceilings, but we that would be
happy somewhere out there.

486
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:44,240
» Adding I have had the distinct privilege
of um helping towns who have reached

487
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:50,560
that 50-year mark and said um it's time
for us to grow again. How do we do it?

488
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:56,720
And in doing that, I've seen for the
stakes of the past and um adding a

489
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,920
floor,
Lexington Police Department, city of

490
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:05,119
Lexington, their police department was
designed to add a floor for um the

491
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:09,599
building code changed. Now they can't
have a foreign police department. So all

492
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:15,280
the effort and the money that went into
that was was forgotten. So we look at

493
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:19,920
things strategically different now and
we can come up with some different

494
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:24,000
options on how we'll grow in 20 years.
Um so what what is the next board going

495
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,920
to be thinking about when they get
there? Will they be wanting to grow on

496
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:32,640
that site enough parking and
infrastructure? Will police want to be

497
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:36,880
there anymore given how the town has
grown? Does it make more sense for them

498
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,920
to move out into a building that is
wholly their own and for you all to

499
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:46,960
expand in that same building? I think
working through those scenarios, and I

500
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:51,760
appreciate you all hearing me out on
that because I think working through

501
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:55,680
those scenarios is important. Your plan
doesn't have to be perfect. As long as I

502
00:39:53,760 --> 00:40:00,560
think we can tell future generations,
here's what we thought we would do. So,

503
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:08,079
we set you up like this. We might be
wrong. We all know how what God does

504
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:13,520
while they he runs them under, but we
can try. And I think that's that's her

505
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:16,960
that's over.
>> I think that's

506
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:21,760
» and I I kind of beg to differ um with
you, mayor, because I think money is out

507
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,960
there. We just got to admit it. We got
to find it. But money is out there and I

508
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:29,320
don't think we should limit ourselves
because money.

509
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:40,800
» No problem. But we Anybody else have
anything you want to add?

510
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:47,359
We rotate it for the option of building
businesses and everything.

511
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:51,280
» No, it uh didn't take
>> Let me check. Can I check? I I want to

512
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:55,839
check and make sure. I know the first
option would not if we rotate it and

513
00:40:53,520 --> 00:41:00,240
push it more north along Spencer
Mountain there, it may it may impact

514
00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:05,280
that score right up. So, let me look at
that. Way off the ball field.

515
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:10,160
» Okay.
>> Yeah. all the way that

516
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:13,520
we find another location. We're going to
do that.

517
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:16,520
Baltimore
places

518
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:25,599
right the strategy. I would say my
opinion is going rotating for future

519
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:31,280
growth for business. Even if we don't
build business now, 20 years from now,

520
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:37,200
they got room to build up that way. If
we set it up for we build it, they'll

521
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:41,599
come on halfway.
We don't need to do anything until we

522
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:48,839
have a replacement
right now.

523
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:48,839
» We build a better field off

524
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,400
Charlie and I joke that we could build
this like can of yards and we could just

525
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,440
put you guys on the outfield hitters in
his office.

526
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:03,680
» Yeah. And that was a that's a that's a
great point that Commissioner Moore

527
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:09,040
brought up that uh we know we the town
loves the ball field and uh that um

528
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:17,000
Commissioner Moore came up with the idea
of possibly looking for a new spot.

529
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,000
» Where where would that be? I mean,

530
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:24,240
would you take the water plant, put the
ball field down there? Take uh I mean it

531
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,079
cost a little money. You take the job
track and houses on side jog track

532
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:33,520
person houses that run the back of jog
track there and have a good soccer field

533
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:38,319
and all combination and a walking track
all the spot

534
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:43,400
» ain't already a ball field back there
>> going back to Dallas

535
00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:43,400
» that's the old me

536
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,760
» there is a place there

537
00:42:52,480 --> 00:43:03,040
» used to be
small field over the the bar meal down

538
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:08,640
but I think that they fed a bunch of
hazardous stuff down here so that rules

539
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:16,280
that out
called Berton had a ball field

540
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,280
with their softball team

541
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:26,040
» I think you gave a good presentation a
great one

542
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:26,040
» thank I appreciate that.

543
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:36,000
» Excellent. Um, do we need to vote on
this plan or anything like that with him

544
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:41,680
moving on with uh plan C cuz that's what
it looks like he's moving on right now.

545
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:45,280
» Yeah. Unless there's I don't even think
it necessarily needs a straw poll. I

546
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:49,200
think if the board kind of get
semi-aggreeing on at least move in one

547
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:53,760
of the plan directions that would give
our our architects and engineers at

548
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:55,280
least some running. Is that a fair
assessment?

549
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,599
» Yes sir.
>> Um but I think you know if it's going to

550
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:03,760
be a if it's going to be a pick one or
two I think and the board can do

551
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:10,720
whatever you want. So opt option three
is the one he's building for. So I think

552
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:14,240
that's our best option for me, but I'm
not

553
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:19,520
good choice.
>> Well, can can I just can we just

554
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,520
brainstorm?
>> That was the point of this whole

555
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:26,960
communication.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

556
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:31,839
In my mind, if I could try something
different, I would I would thought it'

557
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:39,119
been a great idea
for where we are right now to be a town

558
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:39,119
hall and the lodge and move over there.

559
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:47,359
single family.
>> I mean, I just when I look at the space

560
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:51,599
that we have here,
>> I think this would be an awesome spot

561
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:55,920
for a town hall and then we could take a
smaller building and put it over there

562
00:44:53,440 --> 00:45:02,160
and still keep the ball field and all
that. I just see this I just see this is

563
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:06,960
a lot of space right here. That's just
me in my head.

564
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:12,079
Yeah.
>> What do you think?

565
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:16,480
» You know, I had I had to talk about it.
>> No, I seriously had

566
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:18,480
» Well, you you do you do rent this
facility out quite often.

567
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,760
» We do.
>> So, there would be loss of potential

568
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,960
loss of revenue.
>> Not if we moved to another.

569
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:29,200
» Not if you built a new lodge somewhere
else, right?

570
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:34,240
» And just use this space right here. I
love the way it sits up on the hill. It

571
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:37,119
sits off the road. and our town hall
were here,

572
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:41,280
» I think we would be about four times
this size.

573
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:47,599
That that new building would would have
to quadruple the size of this building.

574
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:52,000
» Okay. Thank you. I'm just
I I would rather us know that we thought

575
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:57,040
about it and and understand why we
didn't do it again so that other people

576
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:01,000
know that we've explored all the
options. So, thank you.

577
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:07,240
So I guess what are the objections?

578
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:17,839
» Are you looking for May in both?
>> I'm just waiting for the final thank you

579
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:22,000
so
in reality I I've heard some good

580
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,560
things. I think there's consensus that
we we like the option with the

581
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:33,119
amphitheater. We want to maximize the
usable space on the site. We will work

582
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:37,040
with town staff to review the floor
plans to maximize the efficiency of the

583
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:41,200
operation of the building so that it's
what they need. And then we will come

584
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:46,640
back at the end of schematics and
present those plans as to what was

585
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:50,240
decided. Your overarching vision is a
town hall, police station, the

586
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:54,960
amphitheater, potential retail.
>> And just just just think about this as

587
00:46:52,960 --> 00:47:00,400
well. Um
if I mean it's a great idea. I think we

588
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:05,440
should use our minds to uh bring up all
all of the ideas. Um like you said that

589
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:11,599
would quadruple if we can do it here.
Now just my thoughts um just because of

590
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:17,920
the fact that if you do that you would
lose that revenue here. You would have

591
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:22,480
to take this building down or do
something with it and then build

592
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:25,440
something else. I think that hikes our
cost up quite a bit.

593
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:28,480
» You're going to build a new lodge.
>> Yeah. Well, this is what I was thinking.

594
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,960
» And this one just got renovated.
>> This one just got renovated. So, this

595
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:37,680
place is charming. I hate to lose that.
>> Yeah, it is. And I guess what it is is I

596
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:44,160
was thinking because I I heard a little
bird tweet in my ear that the church may

597
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:48,079
consider selling their parsonage on the
other side.

598
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,680
And that's when I'm thinking, wow, this
would be a great to come around the

599
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:57,119
curve, have a town hall here.
>> But it has a center of town.

600
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,119
» Center of town.

601
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,880
I just don't want to spend more money
than we have to spend. You know, we do

602
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:06,960
that. We got to pay this bill, pour down
all the grades going require a lot more

603
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:09,839
gra.
And then you got to build another

604
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:16,160
building down there. It's going to cost
anywhere from a million million build.

605
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,319
» On slab.
>> Okay.

606
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,520
» I just
the forward vision of it. That's a good

607
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:28,160
idea. Be great to have one sitting on
the hill. They look good, but then

608
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,359
what's it going to cost in the long run
to do it?

609
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,440
» Be nice to have a lot down there with
all the the parts and everything else.

610
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:39,680
But
>> I'm just

611
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:43,599
we got we got the I only know way to get
rid of this bill. I don't know. We had

612
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,640
to go way back, look at the agreement
with the mills that give us the

613
00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:50,640
property.
>> And it was funded to be renovated by the

614
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:56,559
general assembly. We probably wouldn't
make our delegates very happy if

615
00:48:53,599 --> 00:49:00,720
it say
>> and we do own the parcel right here

616
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:04,800
that's next to it that butts up to the
parsonage because we had talked about um

617
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:08,079
and I think it was one of our CPF
requests to the congressman was money

618
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:12,400
for a trail head for us to be able to
connect to the Carolina thread trail. So

619
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:14,720
we kind of had some ideas about you know
because this kind of feels like a

620
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,400
mountain cabin you're right here in the
shadow of the mountain board can do what

621
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:22,640
it wants. Um, but I know we had tossed
around the idea of uh of running

622
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:25,839
sidewalk here uh to connect to the
Carolina Thread Trail. There's half a

623
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:30,640
million to 800,000 people are going to
come out. We have a place for someone to

624
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:34,559
come. We put some local art exhibits
where people can come paint murals. I

625
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:39,760
know we're trail, right? I think I'm not
a vote. I realize I'm I'm speaking a

626
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:43,680
lot, but um I think it's just worth
considering that we kind of already

627
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:47,680
talked about the possibility of trail
head and some other ideas there.

628
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,960
» Yeah. Uh yeah, I'm going go ahead and
let you speak. What was your input on

629
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:57,440
this?
>> Uh so my name's Jessica um 20

630
00:49:55,119 --> 00:50:01,760
drive. Um
so uh we already have you said this

631
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:06,880
space here. You already got this nice
little platform there. So, my thought

632
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:10,480
was, well, we can even just turn this
big grassy spot here into this

633
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:14,960
amphitheater and then in that
amphitheater area right there, you could

634
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:20,480
turn it into something else that would
be multiuse. Um, so that's one of my

635
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:27,520
concerns is having this prime location
here being dedicated to single use um

636
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:31,839
positioner activities.
And like you got your ring there. Then

637
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:37,040
you got an amphitheater, which is only
useful when you're having,

638
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:42,079
you know, specific events or like music
or something. There are ways to set that

639
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:47,839
up to be
constantly

640
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:51,599
useful to different parties. Um that
that's always been my that's become like

641
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:57,119
my big thing is how do you make
something multi- multi-purpose? Um like

642
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:02,000
retail is a great idea where it's right
in there. That way you constantly have

643
00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:06,160
um
like traffic.

644
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:10,720
When I say traffic, I mean people in
this area cuz that actually will make it

645
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:14,880
safer as well. You won't have it clear
out like your central business districts

646
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:19,520
after you know your 9 to5. That way it
just it keeps that area really lively

647
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:29,000
for a very long time uh throughout the
day. Um, as well as with the parking, if

648
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:29,000
there were a way to have it

649
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:40,240
basically be focused on pedestrians
and have the traffic, the the parking

650
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:45,040
less of the focus
so that it's it's not so carcentric.

651
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:51,119
there be a way to
smoosh things together in a way that

652
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:57,119
makes the public transportation cost and
encourages especially if we're going to

653
00:51:52,800 --> 00:52:02,640
be having retail. Um that would and
combining it in with the thread trail so

654
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:08,079
that you have more of the
making that like a hub area where people

655
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:12,720
can catch the bus drive up to the thread
trail areas instead of focusing in so

656
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:18,079
much of your car parking cuz again that
just ends up being a lot of waste cars

657
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:22,800
are sitting there. Yeah, that's valuable
space into green space or do more

658
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:27,359
buildings for retail or put in more
amphitheater space.

659
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:34,240
» I like it. I like it. That sounds great.
That's and I like your idea as well. U

660
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:39,440
so all those all those ideas that's why
we come together so we get great ideas.

661
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:45,680
Um nobody's
the know it all and I love that. Uh I

662
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:49,119
love this idea as well. Um, adding the
amp data here sounds great, but we're

663
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:54,720
not we're not going to focus on that
right now. We're going to focus on the

664
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:59,760
the main thing uh that uh Josh came here
to talk about. So, um the police

665
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:03,040
department, but now you kind of know
where we thinking at for phase phase

666
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:07,920
two,
>> the retail question. Is the town hall

667
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:11,640
one level or will it be two levels?
>> We're showing one level.

668
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:19,400
Yeah, if you have a followup question
see

669
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:33,280
» and this is what accommodated
the growth.

670
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:38,359
» Yes,
this plan will have empty offices the

671
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:38,359
day.

672
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:51,920
You want to visual the size? You said it
was 13,000,

673
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:56,640
» right?
>> The new fire station is 14,000. So

674
00:53:55,119 --> 00:54:02,000
that's the size of the building if you
look at the size of it.

675
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:05,680
» Let me let me let Diane speak on this
one. Um can you say the name and address

676
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:11,880
again? I'm sorry.
>> Diana Palmer. Um 325 down.

677
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:19,520
You gave us three options on the
building itself. Two flat roofs and one

678
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:24,000
pitched.
>> Oh, on the Massie. Yes, ma'am. That's

679
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:25,839
those are initial explorations.
>> Okay.

680
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:32,240
» We're not we're not picking from those
today.

681
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:40,079
My my thought thinking ahead in what
John has said as far as growth or space,

682
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:47,760
if you had pitched roof, if it was
pitched enough and built so that you

683
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:55,839
could do so, you could layer
or have stairways already up to that

684
00:54:52,160 --> 00:55:01,680
attic. One, it could be storage for the
time being. two, it could be converted

685
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,680
later into some office space in the
meeting.

686
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,880
» Elevator

687
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:15,520
potential. Yes, sir. Could could be, but
we've we've we've seen that done before.

688
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:19,520
We've done it before.
>> Well, he he was he that that's a great

689
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:25,040
idea as well. I was also going to say
that I'm going to in just a second, but

690
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:30,000
um you also said that what what made a
whole lot of sense to me is that we

691
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:36,160
don't know how the times are going to
change. We don't know how the codes are

692
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:42,720
going to change. Um so
do we really want to build for that now?

693
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:48,480
Well, I also
>> have the current town hall and the

694
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:52,160
leakage problems we have and the roof
issues with being a flat roof.

695
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:57,920
» Yeah.
>> You I don't know what the potential is,

696
00:55:54,799 --> 00:56:00,319
but I would think a pitch roof, even a
small pitch,

697
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:04,119
» Yeah.
>> would be

698
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:16,799
I want to say economical.
maybe less issues or problems with water

699
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:21,920
settling because as the I don't care
what building you build or where you

700
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:27,599
build it and how secure you try to make
it, you're going to have settling

701
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:34,079
and as you settle
with a flat roof, I would think you

702
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:37,920
would have more places where water is.
>> Yeah, that that makes a lot of sense.

703
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:43,040
Does a black roof that sound like you're
a good expert?

704
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:49,440
» Um, you you are right. A metal roof will
typically leak less than a membrane

705
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:55,359
roof. Since your former town hall was
built, the codes and uh construction

706
00:56:51,920 --> 00:57:00,880
methods for membrane roofs has changed
significantly. Um, so we don't have as

707
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:06,240
much of an issue as we used to with
that. It is an economical. It is a

708
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:11,119
decision of economics to some degree
because a pitch group will cost more

709
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:13,920
than a membrane. So, we want to make
sure we're balancing all of those

710
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:18,880
things.
>> Okay. Sorry. Go ahead.

711
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:24,640
» Just going up to your 21 sunset.
>> Um,

712
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:31,440
so you said with the code changes and
your idea of expanding how they were in

713
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:38,799
the future. So, what if instead of wrong
and flat to begin with, we go up right

714
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:44,720
away and it's uh we make it a twostory
building immediately. And then that way

715
00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:51,359
it's already geared for, you know, coded
for twotory and then you have a chunk of

716
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:57,440
space that would need to be left or
green space, not trees, like bushes and

717
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:03,119
stuff. And then if the time comes to
either choose to uh move or expand it,

718
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:09,520
then you're already coded for two
stories and you can just boom open it.

719
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:15,119
Um and then that way you are all you're
temporarily having all that extra land

720
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:18,720
to be able to be used by the town.
Um you're kind of planning for the

721
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:23,680
future of already being two stories,
which is always nice as the area grows.

722
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:29,839
Um
and you take up vertical space which is

723
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:38,079
something you can't you can't build like
as a wide open free what's

724
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:42,240
for tears going oh not at home. Um,
so that way you kind of like plan for

725
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:46,799
everything all at once.
go with immediately if you have let's

726
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:50,480
say
um

727
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:57,280
I would almost you almost want to put
town hall stuff and like town office

728
00:58:54,160 --> 00:59:02,960
we're not up top and then the police and
the fire station and all that stuff they

729
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:07,839
can go down so they can get out then go
do emergency stuff quicker or you know

730
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:12,520
you have them have the drone down hole
if they need it Um

731
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:21,280
yeah, just having that expandability in
the future built in.

732
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:25,760
» So why was the decision to make it one
level versus two?

733
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:32,000
» It's an economical decision at this
point. We find the tipping point for

734
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:38,319
two stories to be somewhere around
35,000 to 40,000 ft. At that point, by

735
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:44,960
stacking the building, you're saving
land area uh and you're offsetting the

736
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:50,319
cost of the elevator and stairs by
reducing the amount of foundation.

737
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:55,520
Um on a building this size, if you were
to go twotory and say you have an empty

738
00:59:52,799 --> 01:00:00,160
shell for the second floor, uh which is
a good idea for expansion, that would

739
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:04,559
double the size of the building. Um
however you would end up incurring the

740
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:10,799
cost of the shell as well as the cost of
the infrastructure to meet the shell.

741
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:16,400
Those being uh additional bathrooms uh
elevator and uh at least two sets of

742
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:21,040
stairs.
So at this for this size building we

743
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:28,359
typically recommend a singlestory
building uh and then we look at

744
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:28,359
alternative methods for space.

745
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:33,880
Okay. Do a brainstorm. Okay.

746
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:44,240
How probable could it be the town
could purchase

747
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:49,440
old meals
and have it renovated for a town hall.

748
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:53,200
The ones that are already here.
Um

749
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:57,520
I I don't I don't believe they're for
sale. But have you ever done renovations

750
01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:00,880
like that?
>> Yes.

751
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:04,480
Is that cheaper
>> for a police station? No.

752
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,920
» For police station? No.
>> For an admin building potentially.

753
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:12,480
» Okay.
>> For a police station, no. Because a

754
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:17,599
police station is what we call a risk
category 4 building. Is what we call an

755
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:22,559
essential facility. Meaning it is built
to a higher structural standard than a

756
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:27,920
typical office building. In order to
accomplish that in a uh existing

757
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:33,359
building, you typically have to provide
some level of reinforcement, structural

758
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:37,359
reinforcement. Um, and on older masonry
buildings like those mills, that can be

759
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:43,680
somewhat challenging because they're
usually all brick exterior walls.

760
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:50,480
I feel bad because you're coming up with
really great ideas and I keep

761
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:54,960
» No, no, no. You're good. Come on, man.
I bring, you know, bring the ideas,

762
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:58,799
challenge it. Um, you know, we make
assumptions on your behalf all day long

763
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:04,400
and and I don't want you guys to feel
like we made one that you don't like.

764
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:08,079
So, this is not my building. This is
this is your building. This is your

765
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:13,359
building.
>> Well, you you got the experience. You've

766
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:15,760
got the the knowhow. So, uh we
>> Could they be separate buildings? Sorry.

767
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,760
Oh yeah.
>> Could it be separate buildings?

768
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:24,880
» Yes.
>> So like like for example what Robin was

769
01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:30,640
saying if like across the street like
that building could be the admin

770
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:35,440
building that could be
upfitted versus building the police

771
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:39,680
station across the street.
>> Yes.

772
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:43,119
You know, I I recall a few years ago
they had considered

773
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:47,599
well it's been more than a few years
ago, but they had considered moving the

774
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:52,960
police station beside the mill over
there in the L going towards the L. Do

775
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:58,880
you you remember that Chief Musford?
There's an empty building sitting there

776
01:02:56,079 --> 01:03:03,839
and they were considering purchasing it
just to solely be police department. I

777
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:08,400
don't think it was town hall. Am I
right, Kimmy? you I think it was just

778
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:13,440
for police
>> and they were going to keep the the town

779
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:16,480
hall in the same place
>> but they wor

780
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:21,599
» the building was in bad shape
>> bad shape they wanted way more than

781
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:30,359
» right okay
>> I mean you can build you that's the way

782
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:30,359
you build on that land build 20

783
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:41,359
look out
Well, also they're not even for sale,

784
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:46,400
» you know.
>> That makes it more expensive, too.

785
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:50,799
» It does. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay.

786
01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:56,880
» If I could say operational wise would
respect with a small town like Ranlo to

787
01:03:54,480 --> 01:04:02,720
have all your uh administration and
police in one site really makes it

788
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:06,960
simple for everybody in town to know
where to go.

789
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:11,520
Um, and and I I will say I do love what
you're trying to do with retail. Uh,

790
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:17,520
when I was in Fletcher, we did the same
thing. Uh, we built the town hall first

791
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:22,000
and then it came because as long as you
had good pedestrian access, as long as

792
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:27,920
you had good parking, uh, good
visibility, you control the property.

793
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:32,240
Um, you know, I would maybe even suggest
reaching out to developers now to see if

794
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:37,520
there was an interest
>> and then that way you could do it all at

795
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:41,200
one time. It should be cheaper as well.
>> I like that idea.

796
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:46,640
» It's great.
>> Commissioner, we can get this together

797
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:48,799
more. I mean, I don't want to want to
make sure you say everything you need

798
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:54,480
to.
>> I've said it except I think we need to

799
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:58,960
just go on and do our business tonight.
I think we've covered everything that we

800
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:02,880
could possibly cover tonight.
>> Thank you, ma'am.

801
01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:06,720
» You know, I I like it that you guys were
open to the questions and and I like the

802
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:14,160
input that I got from every we got from
everybody. Um small group, but I was but

803
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:22,480
man, that was powerful. Uh so uh if if
everybody's in agreement, we we would

804
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:26,720
ask Josh and uh um u Craig here uh honey
that to uh move forward with option

805
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:32,079
three of this. Okay.
>> Well, I just got one thing is is the

806
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:37,039
takeaway Doug, you wanted to know the
cost to ship. Correct.

807
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:41,200
» Not the cost. I also want to know how
much if we build it right now, how much

808
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,880
the ball field really affect right now,
>> right?

809
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:45,680
» Cuz I want to take that away from the
kids until we have a place to replace

810
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:51,440
it.
>> Right. But I think about shifting it for

811
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:56,720
what we will want.
>> Right. Yeah. Right. Build it for the

812
01:05:53,599 --> 01:06:01,359
future. But while they're working on
building it, drawing it up, we need to

813
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:03,599
be working on a different space for the
sports complex.

814
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,240
» For sure.
>> Right. I mean, like I said earlier, you

815
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:10,559
know, there they have softball
tournaments all the time around the

816
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:14,559
county, but we can't have one there now
cuz the bats they make now are way

817
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:20,240
different than the bats they make long
time ago. People be bouncing off people

818
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:24,480
winners on Maple Avenue. So,
we can bring them into town, we can get

819
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:30,400
a different ball field, deer size, less
stuff to hit.

820
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:39,280
I'd like to see a survey done of towns
our size with an amphitheater to see

821
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:41,760
what kind of profits or people it draws.
>> I'd like to see that.

822
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:44,799
» What I could always do is reach out to
some of our neighbors. As you know, in

823
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:49,599
Cass County, we have a really strong
relationship. All the managers in the

824
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:55,599
county, the 13 14 of them. Uh I I know a
lot do a very good job of uh recreation.

825
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:58,880
Gilgaston, you know, Mount Ali Knights,
you name it. Even Lincoln, you know, in

826
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:01,839
Lincoln County, they do a lot of great
stuff. I can reach out to and I know I

827
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:06,480
named a lot of towns that are bigger
than us, but what I can do is reach out

828
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:09,200
and even LOL to a similar size and ask
ask

829
01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:13,119
» for
that would be interesting to see our

830
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:17,839
size.
Now, I would like to also say that the

831
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:21,920
amphitheater is not just going to
attract people and random.

832
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:27,760
» Oh, I agree.
>> You're going to get money from people

833
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:32,640
coming outside cuz Gaston County to me,
I don't think has a lot of

834
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:34,160
entertainment. So, that would be a draw
for us.

835
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:41,039
» Yeah,
>> that would make money for the town of

836
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:45,280
Random. Um, we got the new trail coming
in. like having their that pavilion that

837
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:50,160
they have where they have all of their
events. So making something like that

838
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,200
» and that and that trail that's coming
through, the new trail is coming

839
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,160
through, that's what's going to make
people see it even more. I'm sorry.

840
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:59,599
Could you
>> just want to make a point on

841
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:02,960
amphitheater? So in some of the other
towns, they don't just use it for

842
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:06,880
entertainment as far as like, you know,
having bands and nights and things like

843
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:11,039
that. A lot of people rent those for
like weddings and things like you know

844
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:17,279
have outdoor perfect parties and things
like that. So they have my friends out

845
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:21,520
of those things as well. Um, and just
since I'm talking, oh, and surely that's

846
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:25,920
me. I was still 57.
Um, just sitting here looking at the

847
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:31,359
plans of the building, the flat roof. I
was just imagining with the retail in

848
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:36,239
that area, just some rooftop activities,
maybe just like sit areas um places

849
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:40,719
where people can have uh chairs and
tables during the parade and things like

850
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:44,640
that. I think that would be just amazing
to be able to sit on the roof in Reno

851
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:51,319
and enjoy the scenery and some of the
mix that we already have coming through.

852
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,319
» The stairs in your office

853
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:59,759
that all
plaza is just my office.

854
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:05,199
» If I say this, and I'm not going to say
nothing else, but this is the one thing

855
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:11,199
that I would like to see. I would like
to see this town expand what you

856
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:14,480
consider central Rambo.
We've got some beautiful land moving

857
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:17,040
this way.
>> Oh yes.

858
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:23,759
» And you know instead of crowd it all up
in one little area. Stretch Rambo out.

859
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:28,799
You know the prettiest things in Ramlow.
We don't highlight

860
01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:33,199
our mountain and the South Pole River
back there. We do nothing with that. And

861
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:38,640
I think it's the prettiest things in
Ramano other than some of the

862
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:43,279
recommends. But I would love to see us
move out. You know what I'm saying? Move

863
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:48,000
out. Move down. Come up with something
else. Have everything just sit right in

864
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:52,880
the central part which then you got the
track that you have to contend with

865
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:55,760
because we just all like to one little
spot of Rambo instead of just spread it

866
01:09:55,040 --> 01:10:00,560
out.
>> Only the only thing going down the hill

867
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:04,640
that's in Rambo is the mountain. Hey, I
think we got really that's that's that's

868
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:06,960
another phase I had presented for yet,
but yeah, we got some

869
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:14,000
» we got land.
>> We got some great ideas. Uh we talked

870
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:19,280
about doing some things with that um the
old water plan. Um

871
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,239
» because I mean later on, but we'll talk
about it.

872
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:26,320
» Yeah.
>> But this it's great ideas. Great ideas.

873
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:30,000
» We'll get we'll continue to work. Do you
have any more questions? Please pass

874
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:33,600
them on through Charlie. We'll
coordinate on that. We look forward to

875
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:40,800
seeing you guys again soon.
>> Thank you. Thank you very much.

876
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:44,960
» Did we did we have a number or no?
>> For what it's worth, that was staff's

877
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:48,719
well I want to say favorite cuz
obviously we'll tailor some different

878
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:52,239
things, but three was the one that the
department heads and I sat down and said

879
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:55,760
that makes operationally the most sense
cuz I'm going to look great and now

880
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:58,960
these guys doing amazing job halls work
great. You know, we had a little nuances

881
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:02,480
in the way that we work and three was
our favorite.

882
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:05,880
» Yeah. Is that okay with for the board?
If it's not

883
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:14,000
» and I have a big pronouncing office if
anybody ever wants to stop, feel free to

884
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:16,560
come.
>> All right. Thank you all very much.

885
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:23,719
Appreciate you.
>> Appreciate it.

886
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,719
» All right, guys. Let's go to item number

887
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:32,840
we want to get started here soon.

888
01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:47,440
» Thank you guys.
All right guys, we're going to move on

889
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:52,719
to item number six. um the uh general
fund line item discussion. Uh Charlie,

890
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:56,400
you want to bring us in on this one?
>> How do we do it? I'll go kind of fast. I

891
01:11:54,239 --> 01:12:01,920
know we're already at an hour. Um what I
just wanted to kind of set the stage for

892
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:05,679
with this board um is kind of how we
normally do things and how at least in

893
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:11,040
local government normally kind of shakes
out, right? So most of the time um every

894
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:16,320
time what happens is the the manager
will bring a manager's essentially

895
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:20,320
proposed budget to this board based on
things that this group has come up with

896
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:27,280
either workshops or having
conversations. Um, so the thing I want

897
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:32,800
to kind of just mention on uh is kind of
my and our finance director's kind of

898
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:37,199
take on what next year's will look like,
including kind of the conversation that

899
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:41,760
we had with um that regional economic
forecast. And then two, I wanted to just

900
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:45,520
walk through the general fund and our
budget just so that you can see budget

901
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:48,960
so that you can see exactly how we pay
for every single thing that we pay for

902
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:52,239
because there's a lot of requests that
got brought in this year and we have

903
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:57,920
this board has a lot of different ideas
on different things to potential fund or

904
01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:02,000
different ideas but um with the way that
at least the shape of the world is right

905
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:06,320
now I'm not foreseeing any major
increases to necessarily any of our

906
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:11,280
revenues. Right. So, and if we're
operating at a at a balanced budget, if

907
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:15,040
our revenues aren't changing, our our
expenditures shouldn't necessarily

908
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:19,840
change either, right? Like we wouldn't
want to say like, and I've always used

909
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,960
this metaphor like I don't if I want to
go buy a car, I don't go to the Ferrari

910
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:25,760
dealership, look at a car, and then say,
"Okay, well, how much money do I make?"

911
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,120
It's backwards, right? How much money do
I make? Okay, now maybe I should go to

912
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:34,000
this dealership because I can afford a
car here, not a Ferrari, right? So, we

913
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:36,719
wouldn't want to start with expenditure.
We wouldn't want to start by saying we

914
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:40,080
want to buy this, we want to buy this,
we want to buy this, and how we make it

915
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:43,600
all work. We should say, okay, what
historically have we gotten in

916
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:46,719
revenue-wise, and how can we still
deliver a high level of service knowing

917
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:50,640
that we're going to generate this much
revenue? That make sense?

918
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:55,760
» Yeah. Um, okay, perfect. So, when we
went to the uh regional economic kind of

919
01:13:53,679 --> 01:14:01,120
forecasts, um, let me actually get you
to a page. If you look in the budget

920
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:06,800
that's in your, this is last year, the
current fiscal year budget. Uh you can

921
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:11,679
look at our revenues on our general fund
revenues on this too. I won't do the

922
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:16,880
utility fund or the enterprise fund
rather. Go to page 10.

923
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:22,480
» Page 10 in the budget. It'll look like
this. Teacher hat on for a second. Uh

924
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:26,800
and at the top there that shows all of
our general fund revenues. So everything

925
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:31,920
that our general fund is, it pays money
toward administration, this governing

926
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:36,320
board, recreation, public works, police,
uh, sanitation, garbage, all those

927
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:42,800
things come from the general fund
revenues. Um, I don't see

928
01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:47,600
uh, so what we've done kind of in the
past 2 years is taken kind of like a

929
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:51,120
strategic initiative to start stepping
up some of our equipment, right? We've

930
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:54,640
spent a decent amount of money, whether
it be out of pow or out of the general

931
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:58,159
fund over the past two years to say, you
know, we need this new equipment. We

932
01:14:56,719 --> 01:15:01,920
kind of been running things to the side
of the road to get our finances back in

933
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:04,880
into a good standing. You know, it's
time we get some new vehicles. It's time

934
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:08,719
we get a new tractor. It's time we get
some new chainsaws, whatever it may be,

935
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:12,080
right? Kind of taking we added a new
police officer, we added a part-time

936
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:15,600
park attendant. Um, and we've kind of
made some of those decisions over the

937
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:19,120
past two years. knowing what's going on
in the world right now and by that I

938
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:24,640
mean the major uncertainty whether it be
the conflict obviously happening in Iran

939
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:27,760
which and this is not meant to be a
political discussion but obviously

940
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,719
tonight there's a deadline for
conversations on Iran all of those

941
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:36,159
things I'm sure you've seen the price at
the pump our fleet is on wheels all of

942
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:40,239
our police cars all of our public works
vehicles garbage trucks all on wheels

943
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:44,960
all run on gasoline or diesel fuel so
that has an impact on us even if it

944
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:49,920
feels like it's a million years or miles
away in a different planet, it has an

945
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:52,960
impact on right. Also, the things to be
considered in proposing what I'm going

946
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:56,159
to propose essentially a very
conservative budget is we have other

947
01:15:54,960 --> 01:16:02,080
things to think about like the new
committees like potentially a finance

948
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:06,480
payment uh for a new town hall, right?
If if we hope to get financing from

949
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:11,440
either uh the state general assembly or
from Congress, no avenue is going to pay

950
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:14,640
for 100%. Everybody always wants some
money in, right? But now we can earmark

951
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,760
money. we have a healthy fund balance
for stuff like that. Um, but you know,

952
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:21,280
there's we've already talked with the
USDA who would be happy to uh have

953
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,920
conversations with us about what
financing the building would look like

954
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:27,679
and that's going to be a conversation we
have once we now that we kind of have an

955
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:30,000
idea of what the size of the building is
or what it's going to kind of look like.

956
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:34,320
That was the importance of tonight's
conversation. All those things on top of

957
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:37,360
the fact that inflation is still a very
real a very real thing. You know, that

958
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:41,840
that impacts a lot of our sales tax
numbers. You know, we had heard from a

959
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:46,960
an economist out of Clemson that said
they expect either a consistent or maybe

960
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:50,000
even a slight decline in sales tax from
a local government standpoint just

961
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,719
because, you know, everything's a little
bit more expensive. Everybody's kind of

962
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:56,320
just holding on a little bit more tight
be included. Everybody probably included

963
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:59,679
to, you know, what you go get from the
grocery store or maybe I shouldn't Door

964
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:05,199
Dash this or what it may be, right? So,
those kind of things have an impact on

965
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:09,440
our on our on our budget. Um, so knowing
all of that, um, my plan after we have

966
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:12,560
these conversations and I kind of hear
from this board about, you know, hey, we

967
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:16,239
just let's make sure that we add this in
there. Let's make sure that this is

968
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:19,840
considered. Uh, is I'm I'm not going to
bring you a monumentally different

969
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:23,360
budget than from last year. It's going
to almost be exactly the same unless if

970
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:26,719
this board says really this is a
priority. We want to have this funded.

971
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:31,520
want to do this because if we're not
going to see

972
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:34,880
a major increase, which I don't foresee
happening in our revenues, I'm

973
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:38,080
absolutely not going to propose to this
board, let's have a major jump in

974
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:43,840
expenditure as well, right? Because the
last thing we want to have is come this

975
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:48,480
time next year. We spent X and we
thought we were going to collect Y, but

976
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:52,719
we didn't collect Y, right? and we we do
a very good job now of running very lean

977
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:58,080
on still being conservative in our
estimates for revenues, but not so much

978
01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:02,239
that we're putting a billion dollars
away every year because we're just so uh

979
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:05,760
healthy in that, right? We've kind of
come off of that in the past year and a

980
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:10,080
half because we know we've established a
healthy fund balance. We've committed to

981
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:13,920
some positions into some new equipment.
Now, let's see how lean we can run,

982
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:17,440
right? Kind of makes sense. I know it's
taking me a while to set the table.

983
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:23,520
» No, that makes absolute sense. Uh we we
don't want to start buying a new car, a

984
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:27,199
new house uh without having the money to
pay for it.

985
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:32,320
» So absolutely makes sense. Although I
give me a bigger house, I got to already

986
01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:40,640
have revenue to be able to support it.
Um but having said that, having said

987
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:47,360
that, um those guys Craig here made a
very um

988
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:50,719
profound statement. uh we should start
looking at developers for that retail

989
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:55,120
space
>> because

990
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:58,640
developers come in
they owe

991
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:01,840
that money will start coming to us
>> 100%. So there's

992
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:09,120
» so you partner with them they build it
on their dime uh it's our space they pay

993
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:11,920
us immediately. So that's what we want
to start looking at

994
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,960
» and I'm happy to do that. So that P3
that public private partnership is what

995
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:18,719
it's commonly called across local
governments that work with developers.

996
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:22,480
Uh we in working with our engineers
whether driving and mostly we can start

997
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:26,159
having conversations with that private
sector about who may be interested in

998
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:29,280
helping you know to develop this. That's
something I'm happy to do. It's very

999
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:36,320
common actually across
>> Hey let's let's just go ahead go ahead.

1000
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:40,800
» Just level 23 21 sunset turn
>> with uh putting in the developer

1001
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:45,600
requests and all that. One thing um I
have been learning about or brushing up

1002
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:50,560
on is essentially you want to make sure
any like retailer businesses that you

1003
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:53,360
put in, you don't want big heavy hitters
coming in. You want to make sure

1004
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:59,600
whatever they develop are like the
smaller businesses because the smaller

1005
01:19:56,719 --> 01:20:04,080
buildings are actually a lot easier to
convert and grow and you know if one

1006
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:08,480
business fails which unfortunately
businesses fail at all then it's a lot

1007
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:13,280
easier for a new business to just move
right in rather than trying to figure

1008
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:17,120
out okay how do I fit into a big giant
box store.

1009
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:22,640
» Yeah. So making sure developers coming
in

1010
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:26,080
many businesses instead of like one.
>> Absolutely.

1011
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:30,080
» Yeah. We I think we more focused on
getting in the the space the retail

1012
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,679
space for now.
>> Uh and that's where we're talking I

1013
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:37,280
think me and Charles are on the same
page, right? We're talking about getting

1014
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:42,880
the retail space in and then whoever
wants to put a coffee shop in there or

1015
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:46,400
whoever wants to put whatever in that
space then that's who

1016
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:51,920
» Yeah, I think y'all saying the same
thing because you want smaller spaces to

1017
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:56,960
be able.
>> I'm sorry. Let me stop.

1018
01:20:54,480 --> 01:21:03,600
» I I have a question. I might have missed
this but in his we showed us number

1019
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:08,239
three for the building.
I saw no dollar signs for each of the

1020
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:12,000
buildings. How much about how much was
he talking about?

1021
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:15,199
» Yeah, we I think we gave him a budget of
around 10 million.

1022
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:20,000
» 10 million.
>> Yeah. So,

1023
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:26,239
» this was this was this was the key here
though. This was the key.

1024
01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:30,640
They have to get the designs together
so that we can go out looking for more

1025
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:37,040
grant money
>> and and how we're going to pay for it.

1026
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:40,800
Cuz this should come to no surprise that
it's going to be grant money, but some

1027
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:46,880
of it's going to come from
a long get a long loan. All right. So,

1028
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:53,520
that's that's going that's that should
that I'm not going to surprise you on

1029
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:59,199
that. So, we've already we already know
that uh and and other other counties,

1030
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:04,960
other municipalities have done this. So,
hopefully the loan load is long out

1031
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:09,440
there, fairly long. Uh we don't have to
pay a whole lot on it. And then as we

1032
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:13,920
get these new retail shops and things of
that nature in there, that would also

1033
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:17,040
help us pay that pay it off early. So,
those are those are some things you

1034
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:21,280
should definitely think about. You're
not going to get out of this

1035
01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:25,120
that day.
>> That's just that's his key.

1036
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:28,159
» And if I may, so on Friday, I know I
told this board, we're meeting I'm

1037
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:32,080
meeting with a wealth advisor who does
this for municipalities all over the

1038
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:35,520
place to help leverage and best use our
money in the in in the smartest way

1039
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:39,120
possible. So once I meet with that
person, we've already kind of hit it

1040
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:42,320
off. He's great. uh we'll get an
agreement going and then Pete will come

1041
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:49,280
and speak before this board to make some
suggestions on down and on this on how

1042
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:53,520
to finance this and wealth and we we
are not

1043
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:57,440
very very very rich. We're not sitting
on mountains and piles of money but we

1044
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,520
can be smart with what money that we do
have. And that's what this person is

1045
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:03,440
going to do for us. I think it's going
to be a great help for us because we're

1046
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:07,520
in a position where um we would benefit
from that help. So that'll be this and

1047
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:11,520
I'll make sure that conversation gets
And we we we're being we're being

1048
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:15,120
realistic. We're being realistic. That's
why we said, "Hey, we're just going to

1049
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:19,719
focus on the town hall right now. That
other stuff will come after."

1050
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:26,320
» So, you want me to jump back in keep us
on track. So, if you jump to page 14, uh

1051
01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:30,000
this is also something I'm proud of. The
state only requires us to publish

1052
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:33,600
essentially a department based budget
that shows kind of like nice whole

1053
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:37,520
numbers. what we always do uh in the
sake of transparency and good government

1054
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:42,000
is providing a line item budget. So you
can see on page 14 that begins the

1055
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:47,679
expenditures for the general fund and
we'll go all the way through to page 16.

1056
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:51,760
Um and then after that page 17 and then
the future or the rest of the document

1057
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:55,840
rather that's the utility fund, storm
water fund and how fund. So, if you have

1058
01:23:53,520 --> 01:24:00,320
any questions about that, uh, or if you
have anything that's as compelling that

1059
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:04,080
this board says, I, you know, Charlie,
hey, you're here to do the math, make

1060
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:07,280
this work, add these numbers in, I will
do that. But just know that this year

1061
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:13,440
I'm going to be putting forth a very,
very conservative uh, proposal or

1062
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:16,560
proposed budget to this board uh, with
just the amount of uncertainty that we

1063
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:21,120
see. And on top of that, not only
worldly, but uh, with in house, right?

1064
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:23,679
We're in trailers. You know, things are
different now. You never know what could

1065
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,560
happen with the trailer. You hope for
the best, but when it comes to financing

1066
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:30,400
bill, we try to plan for the worst,
right? And then if by December we're

1067
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:34,400
building, you know, I think this is a
good opportunity for us to kind of hold

1068
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:37,520
tight, be a little bit conservative. But
obviously, this board can make whatever

1069
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:43,840
decision. The board can say to me, you
know, include a $600,000 line for XYZ,

1070
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:48,400
and I'll give you the math and tell if
it makes sense or not.

1071
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:53,440
» Yeah. Um, we don't like to say
conservative cuz everybody wants to

1072
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:59,520
spend and die. But unfortunately, you
you're making the smart decision, smart

1073
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:06,000
statements by saying we're going to be
conservative as you can on the budget so

1074
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:10,560
that we can u be prepared for what's
coming. Yes, sir. That's something that

1075
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:14,159
you employ me to do here and that's
something I take very seriously. Um, so

1076
01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:18,639
that's all I think for the general front
line of discussion. I just wanted you to

1077
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:21,920
see if you know if you if if we say,
"Hey, let's fund this or let's do that."

1078
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:27,199
You can take a look now and say, "Oh,
okay. You know, if we wanted to do this

1079
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:30,320
$300,000 program, great. If it's a
onetime thing, we can maybe possibly

1080
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,440
have discussion around funding it out of
a onetime appropriation fund balance,

1081
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:37,120
but if it's a recurring general
operating cost, we have to find it

1082
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:41,600
within that general fund. And that's,
you know, no easy task. I'm here to help

1083
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:45,679
make all the things work. I just wanted
you to kind of see how it all comes

1084
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:50,320
together so that when when you see it
next month at the May meeting, the

1085
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:53,760
regular board meeting, it'll be my
essentially budget proposal. Uh based on

1086
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:56,480
things I've heard from this board, it
will look very similar to the past year.

1087
01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:01,760
» Yeah. And I want to challenge every
board member here uh to go back look at

1088
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:06,800
this budget
to very close pay very close attention

1089
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:11,520
to make some notes for next meeting if
we have um any questions or any

1090
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:18,800
improvements that you think could be
made that's that's bringing it back.

1091
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:24,480
» All right. Uh can we move on uh to item
number seven,

1092
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:28,639
» water and sewer rate discussion on path
four.

1093
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:32,239
» Okay. So Charles, have been taken. Mr.
Mayor, this actually I thought it was

1094
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:36,080
going to take a long time, but I think
we're actually in in pretty decent shape

1095
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:39,280
and our rate study proved that. So at
the back of your packet, you'll have a

1096
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,679
sheet that looks like this. Uh if you
would just take a look at it. If you've

1097
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:44,719
been on the Jordan before, you're like,
"Dang it, I hate these. I don't want to

1098
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:49,520
see this again." And these are our rate
studies that show us what we uh what

1099
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:53,920
what the differences and things uh are
we do or don't make changes. So I'll be

1100
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:58,000
very very fast about this. As the board
knows, we are a purchased system. So we

1101
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:01,440
buy water from the city of Gastonia and
then when our waste water runs out of

1102
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:05,600
our town, it's metered that we paid for
that waste water to be treated. Uh

1103
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:08,880
because we are a purchased system, um we
pay the wholesale rate for Two River.

1104
01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:13,600
We've had this conversation a million
times. Um, one thing that happened to

1105
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:19,199
this board last year is that Two Rivers
said that they had a five-year plan to

1106
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,199
do 5% on water