[0:00] Mr. Mayor, well, you snuck in. I didn't
see you.
[0:03] » I did.
>> Was late today.
[0:08] » That's Robin's job.
>> Oh, something like that.
[0:15] » That's the 194
[0:42] Hey, warm.
[0:47] » All right, let's go ahead and we're
going to
[0:57] Thank you.
[1:01] All right. This meeting is called the
water.
[1:05] All right. Let's let's start off with
the um
[1:11] let's let's start off with a prayer. I'm
going to go ahead and pray for us. God,
[1:15] thank you for another day. Lord God, we
love you. We thank you for all of you
[1:20] that bless us.
We thank you for what you're doing here
[1:23] in Rando, Lord God. We thank you for
what you're doing here in the United
[1:27] States, Lord God. I thank you for what
you're doing all over the world. Thank
[1:31] you for bringing people together, Lord
God, helping us to work even though we
[1:38] may be different. Work together even
though we may be different. Lord God, we
[1:42] ask you to help us to be a successful
meeting. Lord God, a productive meeting
[1:47] that's going to uh edify the people here
in Random and also so that we may do
[1:56] what you want us to do. We ask these
things in Jesus name. Amen.
[2:00] » Amen.
>> Amen.
[2:03] » All right, let's start off with a roll
call. Reagan.
[2:09] » Mayor Cody
>> here.
[2:11] » Mayor Pro Roman Con
>> here. Commissioner Doug
[2:15] » here.
>> Commissioner Ronnie Walls
[2:17] » here.
>> Commissioner
[2:18] » here.
>> Commissioner Hill.
[2:23] » All right. Um, let's uh do we have a
motion to
[2:29] adopt the agenda?
>> I like motion.
[2:32] » I'll second.
>> All right. All in favor?
[2:37] Okay.
[2:41] Agenda is adopted. Um, okay. Uh, let's
go to the, uh, public comments. We do
[2:47] have one.
[2:52] » Shardia.
That's correct. I said right. All right.
[2:57] So, just state your name and address.
>> Sharding 5217
[3:03] Road. Thank you. And
>> your title. State your title.
[3:06] » Chair for Revo Resource Network.
>> Okay.
[3:12] You had the the chair on which which
board was it?
[3:14] » Resources network.
>> Resource network.
[3:17] » Okay. That committee and the landlord
experience met last week and elected
[3:21] chairs.
>> Yes.
[3:22] » Mr. G is the chair of the Randler
Resource Network.
[3:34] » So what I am presenting today is a um
budget proposal for this new committee.
[3:40] Um in our meeting last week, we um were
enlightened that this is a um committees
[3:47] that does not have prior existence in
the town. So there's no budget line for
[3:52] it. So we want to be able to be included
in the budget um in the next fiscal year
[3:57] so that we have funding for some of the
things that we have lined up or that we
[4:01] will have lined up. Keep in mind that
this is very preliminary. We are about 6
[4:07] days into committee. So, um, what we
have right now is the vision. So, I just
[4:12] want you guys to keep that in mind as we
go through the proposal that I've
[4:16] presented to you. So, um, the first
three pages is just a, um, sort of a
[4:22] table of contents of the budget and the
thank you letter for allowing me to um,
[4:26] have your time today.
If we could go to the third page for the
[4:31] introduction for the committee.
[4:37] The Rena The Reno Resource Network will
empower residents by connecting them
[4:41] with essential programs, supportive
services, and community partnerships. We
[4:45] promote access to health care,
mentoring, housing assistance, and
[4:49] neighbor to neighbor support to
strengthen the well-being, resilience,
[4:53] and unity of the Rambo community. what
the resource network will do. We will
[4:58] connect residents to health care,
support mentoring and youth programs,
[5:02] assist with rent and utility navigation,
strengthen the community partnership,
[5:07] and provide senior support and child
focused resources. Why RLow needs this?
[5:13] Many residents are unaware of available
programs, growing need for senior
[5:18] support and youth engagement. there's an
increased demand for navigation and
[5:21] application assistance for these
programs and also to have the
[5:25] opportunity to strengthen the community
um unity now resilience.
[5:30] We do have a very preliminary 90-day
action plan um that we that I've kind of
[5:37] lined out for you. Our focus is going to
be to tap into resources that are
[5:43] already existing. Um we're not trying to
create a new wheel. We're just trying to
[5:48] grab onto the wheel that's already
spinning and take advantage of a lot of
[5:51] the um county resources that are
available and connecting rental
[5:56] residents to them and make sure that
they are aware of what's available, how
[6:00] to get into them, a pathway to get those
applications done and basically to
[6:05] assist them through those processes and
make sure that we're being able um to
[6:09] benefit from them. So some of the things
that we will um be doing in our next
[6:15] meeting um in our first 30 days is we'll
be finalizing our mission, our scope and
[6:21] the committee structure. We'll build an
initial resource directory meeting that
[6:25] we're going to reach out to different
organizations within the county. See
[6:29] what um resources are available. Build
us a directory. Take that directory.
[6:35] Make it something that can be
distributable to residents. um maybe
[6:39] have highlights in the newsletter that
Charlie sends out um in with the utility
[6:44] bills every month and things like that
just so that everybody's aware of what's
[6:48] available. Um we will begin volunteer on
boarding because of course with our um
[6:54] seven committee members we can't do
everything. So we will be enlisted in
[6:58] the help of other residents to be able
to volunteer to help us out and reach
[7:02] our neighbors. Um we will identify child
focused and senior focused resource
[7:07] gaps. That is a lot of the focus.
There's been a lot of speak about the um
[7:13] disparity between children and seniors
and the resources that are available to
[7:18] them. Um and hopefully by the um second
phase we'll be entering into engagement.
[7:25] We'll be meeting with um Department of
Social Services, schools, churches,
[7:30] nonprofit organizations, county resource
providers, healthc care advocates, and
[7:35] organizations focused on service safety
and security so that we can implement
[7:39] those into our communities. Our
engagement actions will include
[7:43] evaluating community needs, recruiting
and training volunteers, finalizing and
[7:49] releasing the resources directive,
identifying programs for children and
[7:53] seniors. Um phase three we should be in
our launch. We'll be posting our first
[8:00] application help um launching healthcare
navigation dropin hours planning
[8:06] community connect days started with
neighborhood initiative and begin senior
[8:10] outreach and youth engagement.
So we're hoping that by third quarter we
[8:15] will be able to take action that
um following the 90-day action plan. I
[8:23] have a proposed annual budget. This is
very preliminary. Um, so these are some
[8:29] of the things that I can see that we
will need to make happen to bring the
[8:34] awareness to the programs that be
available to be able to host things that
[8:39] we need um for the community um
administrative and operational
[8:45] which we will be able to use some of the
resources that the county um that the
[8:49] town already has available for these um
as well. But we may need extra resources
[8:54] on top of what they're already using it
for because if they already have a
[8:58] budget for printing materials, office
supplies, they have an administrative
[9:01] contingency and things like that. Then
of course with our network um using
[9:05] them, then it'll increase their budget.
So we want to be able to have some um
[9:10] specific funds allocated for us to be
able to do those things. Um we are also
[9:15] requesting funds for community events
and programs, community connect day, and
[9:19] we see that as a live event. um really
haven't put the vision together for that
[9:24] yet, but maybe something at the ball
field, maybe something here where we'll
[9:28] have um some light catering just to
create some engagement and let the
[9:32] community know that we are here and to
be able to introduce those services to
[9:36] them. um application helps where we may
have um specific events where people can
[9:42] come in and discuss utilities um more
rent child care resources
[9:49] um just different things like that is
what we'll be doing for the um community
[9:53] event that's programs also healthcare
navigation where we have health fairs um
[9:59] full-blown health fairs with the
providers blood pressure checks diabetes
[10:03] checks and things like that we'll be
asking some of the community positions
[10:07] and tradition are offices to assist us
with that and get them to volunteer but
[10:12] um more than likely we will have to
provide we have entertainment to keep
[10:16] them engaged or light food and things
like that. We um also for our good
[10:22] neighbor initiative sometimes even just
be going out my front doors if we have a
[10:26] particular neighborhood they may despair
get there seeing what's going on how can
[10:30] we help and what resources are available
um volunteer support and training we may
[10:35] need training materials um volunteer
appreciation that will be a small so
[10:41] important to keep people engaged and to
encourage them to be able to continue to
[10:45] volunteer with the program in years
going forward and then background ground
[10:50] checks. I did put that on there because
when I think about servicing seniors and
[10:56] children, we may be doing something with
that. We want to know who we have
[11:00] involved in that and we, you know, just
if we were doing um just a big
[11:05] neighborhood program or something like
that, we would want to know who these
[11:08] people are, make sure that it's a safe
environment for our children or our
[11:11] seniors to be in. So, that's not
something that we've put um a lot of
[11:15] discussion into at this point, but I
thought that that would be something
[11:18] that we would definitely want to take
into consideration if we have something
[11:22] like that. Um marketing and outreach, so
social media ads. Like, you know, we
[11:27] have a Facebook um page, but just to
kind of push some ads so the people know
[11:32] what is doing to put it in front of
their face for people who don't follow
[11:36] us. You know, we've been sucking in the
back for a little while now and it's
[11:40] time to let people know that is here.
um banners and signage so that we can
[11:44] have professional appearance at our
events. Um we can also use any other
[11:49] materials or decorations to anything
that the town already has. There's just
[11:54] something that says resource network on
it to be incorporated into that break.
[11:59] Um so that puts us at just an estimated
um budget request of about $8,000 a
[12:06] year. And what we want you to remember
is that these on the next page that
[12:10] these efforts are going to have a huge
impact in the community. It's going to
[12:14] increase access to health care for our
residents. We'll have a stronger support
[12:19] for our children and seniors. It'll
reduce crisis situations that will have
[12:24] um cost for our paramedics, for the fire
department, for the police department
[12:28] because people will have resources that
they haven't had previous access to. So
[12:34] we'll have an impact there. will create
more um connected neighborhoods.
[12:38] Hopefully we can create more unity so um
and make the neighborhoods and the um
[12:43] communities feel st safe and stable. So
the resource network will provide
[12:48] meaning meaningful measurable support to
residents by improving access to health
[12:52] care, mentoring, housing resources and
community services. with the requested
[12:58] funds, we can reduce crisis situation,
strengthen all of our families, and
[13:02] build a more connected and resilient.
And I just wanted to thank you, mayor,
[13:07] and committee members for allowing me to
um request this. I've also included a
[13:13] budget justification sheet that you guys
can um take a moment and look over as
[13:18] you um look into, you know, how much you
can allocate for our um efforts. And
[13:25] also we are open to suggestions and we
are you know open to sharing budget and
[13:31] any other other committees that may have
like non and things like that.
[13:37] » Can I ask a question?
>> Yes ma'am.
[13:39] » Uh I see on here you got the background
checks. We didn't get those for the
[13:44] committees. Do we need those for our
committees to have background checks? Um
[13:50] well I will say because I think the
committee members are appointing
[13:55] government officials and everyone's
going to be held to the same standard
[13:59] and that's some not something that we
can hold our volunteers to because that
[14:04] they can walk away from the event with
no obligation. So I would say that I
[14:08] don't think it's necessary for the
community members but I do think it
[14:11] would be necessary for people that we
are not going to hold to the same
[14:14] standard
that that we cannot hold the same
[14:17] standard. I praise that
[14:23] any other question
[14:27] that very good presentation.
>> Yes. Thank you.
[14:34] » Okay. Um
let's move down to the new business. Um
[14:42] the uh town hall and police station
discussion. Uh we have a presentation by
[14:49] uh from uh Mosley architects.
>> Yes, sir. Thank you very much for having
[14:54] me. Um Charlie, are you going to
advance? How do we how do we
[14:57] » just point the the guy that blew the
shirt back?
[14:59] » You got it. You got us covered. Okay,
great. I'll stand over here with the
[15:02] podium. And do you want um do you want
me to kind of set the table or do you
[15:06] want to kind of handle that? How do you
want to roll with it?
[15:08] » I'm I'm happy to set the table. Yeah,
you know what? Awesome. Well,
[15:12] » okay. Um also during your presentation,
are you going to discuss the uh
[15:16] building, the sizing of the building,
the future conceptual plans?
[15:20] » Yes, sir. Sure. All right. All right.
>> Yep. So, we've got a presentation
[15:23] that'll be shown behind you there. Um my
name is Josh Bennett, vice president
[15:28] with Mosley. I oversee our civic sector
for our firm and that includes all of
[15:32] our public safety projects uh as well as
town halls, social services, that kind
[15:38] of thing. Tonight we're going to focus
on your town hall and police station.
[15:42] With me tonight is Craig Honeyut. He is
our director of local government
[15:46] planning. Uh he's former town, city, and
county manager. Did I cover all of them?
[15:54] » Great. Uh Greg brings great insight into
our projects because he has sat on your
[15:59] side of the table for many years in many
different capacities. So uh if I stumble
[16:04] at all, I'm sure he will be able to pick
me up. So we'll go ahead and get started
[16:09] with the the first slide. I want to talk
a little bit about the architectural
[16:13] process to kick this off. Um when we
manage an architectural process, we want
[16:19] to determine what your need is and then
design a solution that meets that need.
[16:25] So our first step with your project was
to go through what we call a program
[16:29] verification phase. Uh we did data
gathering. We h uh issued questionnaires
[16:35] to building users and occupants. Uh we
then interviewed them in person and
[16:40] developed a building program. That
program told us how big the building
[16:45] needed to be. Okay, this was a critical
point because it allowed us to really
[16:50] drill down into what the users needed
for the building, what the growth was
[16:56] projected to actually be and not just
what they wanted. Okay? So, if the chief
[17:01] wanted a large office with a steam room
in it and we said, "Do you really need a
[17:07] steam room, Chief? Or can you can you go
to the gym? you have one in your
[17:11] basement. He said, "Yeah, you're right.
I can use that one. I don't need it." We
[17:15] were able to pair that down and
determine very early on how big the
[17:18] building is going to be. Okay. Then we
moved into schematic design and we're
[17:23] about halfway through that process. Now,
we've laid out several options for how
[17:27] the building could be configured. We're
looking at are the spaces next to the
[17:31] correct spaces. Are they organized
properly? Do we have proper security
[17:36] measures in the building? How does it
fit on the site? What does the building
[17:40] look like? How massive is it? Is it
tall? Is it wide? Is it um is it is it
[17:46] uh contextual to where it's going to be?
Ramano is a very unique town. It has
[17:52] really unique houses and factories and
and uh some architecture in it that
[17:58] deserves to be acknowledged in that
process. So, we're working through that
[18:02] now. Eventually, we're going to move
forward into additional phases. Design
[18:06] development where we look at what
finishes go into the building. We
[18:11] finalize details on the site like where
the fencing goes and how that's going to
[18:15] operate. And then construction documents
where we will issue final specifications
[18:19] and talk about things like flashing and
door locks and things like that. Once
[18:24] that's done, we'll go through a
procurement phase where we'll bid the
[18:27] project to local contractors. And then
once a contractor is selected, we can be
[18:31] begin construction. Okay. So, as of
right now, we're still in the infancy of
[18:36] the project. So, everything we're going
to show you guys now is still up for uh
[18:41] is still up for some work. So, can we go
to the next slide, please? This is the
[18:45] summary sheet from our uh space needs
assessment. And you'll see here on the
[18:50] the the left hand side, we've listed a
police department, the administration,
[18:54] and then any space in the building that
can be shared. Under current personnel,
[18:59] we're showing 14 people for the police
department, seven people in
[19:03] administration.
And then we have columns that are called
[19:07] 2031 needs, 2036 needs, and 2046 needs.
And so we're looking at how this is
[19:14] going to grow over time. What we have
projected is that in 2046 you'll have
[19:19] approximately 32 staff and 12,548
square ft of space will be required to
[19:26] support that staff. That is the number
that we have designed to for today. So
[19:31] this building when it opens will have
some empty offices in it because it's
[19:35] going to last us for 20 years before we
need to do anything else. Does that make
[19:40] sense?
>> Great.
[19:43] Now does do
let me start that over. Does that
[19:49] projected need make sense given the
relative growth of ramping? It's not one
[19:54] to one
people moving in and services you
[19:58] provide because there's a scale to
everything. But we went ahead and
[20:02] looked. We said your police are growing
from 14 to 22 staff. That's a 57%
[20:07] increase. Given the growth around
Ramblow and how that continues to impact
[20:13] you, that that seems consistent with
what we've seen in other locations,
[20:18] administration is growing from 7 to 10.
That doesn't sound like much, but that's
[20:21] a 42% increase. That's pretty
significant. And with automation and and
[20:27] the way that the town hall is set up,
which you'll see in a moment, there's
[20:32] some efficiency that will be gained that
allows the town to continue to grow and
[20:36] operate very efficiently.
your annual growth rate has been 1.3%
[20:41] since 2019. Uh, and so I looking back at
that, I think it was around 4,400. Now
[20:47] we've grown to about 4750. And so if we
project that out, your 20-year growth,
[20:53] you'll be uh right around 6,200 people.
Uh, an increase of about 36.2%.
[20:59] So just numbers. I like numbers and
data. Just kind of helps us get some
[21:03] perspective on things. Okay, we go to
the next slide. This is a summary sheet.
[21:08] I want you guys just to see a little bit
of what goes into those square footages
[21:12] so that you can have confidence that
we've accounted for certain things. Uh
[21:16] you'll see here for the police
department we're accounting for a chief,
[21:19] an assistant chief, captain, detective,
patrol sergeants, patrol officers, admin
[21:24] assistants, and then we are also looking
at all the support spaces, wellness
[21:29] rooms, code enforcement folks, evidence
storage, interview rooms, interview
[21:34] toilets, all of that goes into building
that square footage number that you saw
[21:39] on the previous page. Can we go to the
next slide, please? Uh administration is
[21:44] the same way. We've got everything from
the manager's office to the mayor's
[21:48] office to a records room. And then in
the shared spaces, we're listing
[21:52] community room, kitchen, janitor's
closet, that kind of thing. So, all of
[21:56] those numbers go into building up what
is that 12,000 foot number. Next slide.
[22:04] Great. So, we took all those numbers and
all those spaces and then we laid them
[22:08] out on a plan uh to try to start to
develop what would be a good efficient
[22:13] layout. There are some rules that we set
at the beginning which said we need the
[22:17] police and the town to be separate. We
need the community spaces and the shared
[22:22] spaces for the public to be accessible
without having to go through any of
[22:27] those spaces. And we want to share uh
any areas that we possibly can to
[22:32] maximize building efficiency.
So option one, we've got separate uh
[22:38] community room and or chambers and EOC.
uh it makes for a very uh square
[22:44] footprint. It's very wide and deep uh
which when when we set it on the site
[22:49] takes up a lot of room. It's not very
efficient. Um this does get us a salad
[22:54] corn on the left for the police and then
there is a drive-thru on the bottom of
[22:58] option one uh for administration.
So vehicular circulation around that
[23:03] that site gets challenging. Option two
is similar. We pushed the chambers and
[23:08] the EOCC outboard uh which which gave us
a little breathing room to elongate the
[23:13] plan. Option three, which is what we've
moved forward on the site, just for you
[23:18] to see, is an elongated footprint. We
actually have a shared EOC chambers in
[23:24] the middle. That that pink space that
you can see there. Uh that gives us a
[23:28] larger room with the ability to expand
our town hall meetings to have uh even
[23:34] more people in them when the EOC is not
active. Presumably those two spaces will
[23:38] not ever be active at the same time. Um
this allows us to have that that larger
[23:44] combined chambers. uh we have good
interior secure flow and we're able to
[23:49] separate the uh drive-thru space from
the salad pool space. So if we go to the
[23:55] next slide, this is that that plan. You
can see there the right you come right
[23:59] into the entrance and you come right
into the chambers on the back side.
[24:02] You'll have secure access so that when
you all come to a meeting, you can come
[24:06] in the back door. You don't have to come
through the front door in case you've
[24:09] got something contentious going on. You
guys are able to move around securely.
[24:14] Same with police. that door into their
secure parking lot. Uh and then uh
[24:18] Charlie,
you you're on your own. We'll put you up
[24:22] front. Everybody will know where you're
coming from. So, we can go to the next
[24:26] slide. Um that's all in just because we
do need to work out with you all where
[24:32] the secure parking needs to go. But this
is how it could work. Now, this is
[24:35] option one. Option two is coming. Option
one shows that the existing ball field
[24:39] remains in some capacity. In the upper
right, you'll see there's a dashed black
[24:44] line that represents a fence. This is
where we would say the police would come
[24:48] in. They would be able to park securely.
Uh they would have their salt uh within
[24:54] that secure area so that we could
circulate through there. On the southern
[24:57] end, you'll see bill pay window listed
across the building and that allows the
[25:02] public to circulate up against the
building so the driver's side can get to
[25:06] the window. Um, so this plan fits very
nicely and snugly along Spencer Mountain
[25:11] Road and allows a lot of space left on
the site to to be able to do other
[25:16] things. The next slide show us our other
option where we reinvision what this
[25:21] site can be um if the ball field were to
go away. We've heard talk about retail,
[25:27] amphitheater, green space, plazas,
potentially even closing Park Drive at
[25:32] some point. Uh, I hope that's not a
surprise.
[25:37] react to adversely.
>> I have a question.
[25:40] » Go right ahead.
>> On your previous slide.
[25:42] » Yes, ma'am.
>> Well, the same area is right there. This
[25:46] is where our previous town hall was
located
[25:48] » down on you. You can actually see it
right out right there. That's your
[25:53] previous town hall. So, we're not
rebuilding on that.
[25:55] » You're not going to build back on that
town?
[25:57] » No, ma'am. That's a not a good spot to
build as that would require some
[26:01] remediation. We understand there's the
soils in the earth up where we're
[26:05] showing it now is much better for this
type of house.
[26:08] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Yes, ma'am.
[26:12] » So, here we're talking about the
potential for retail and amphitheater.
[26:15] That would require us to maybe reorient
or reposition the town hall a little
[26:20] bit. Um, but that's that's something
that we can we can work through with
[26:24] you. The pink is showing your your
pedestrian circulation and how we think
[26:27] that people um residents, citizens,
visitors would move through that site.
[26:33] » How about the parking?
>> So, the parking is indicated. You see
[26:37] those little numbers like 88866868.
That's the number of parking spaces
[26:42] that'll fit in each of those areas.
[26:48] So, for this one in the upper right,
you'll see we've got
[26:53] uh 24 spaces for the police. And that'll
that'll last them for a while. I guess
[26:58] take them, right? Take home cars. Yeah.
So, they have take home cars. So,
[27:01] they're they're coming in parking,
briefing, and then going back out. Um
[27:07] and then for for staff and public out
front there, you've got 18 24 26 spaces.
[27:15] And then for your green space, you've
got those 32 spaces right there.
[27:20] » So, what would be the accommodation for
the amphitheater? How many people would
[27:24] that come accommodate?
>> I don't know that we've counted that
[27:28] right now. We haven't designed that or
thought that through, but that's a great
[27:31] question. We can talk about that as we
develop this.
[27:36] I think what we want to do is what our
charge right now is is to focus on the
[27:41] town hall police station and then as the
amphitheater becomes closer to reality,
[27:46] what we want to do is make sure that
what we do here with the town hall
[27:49] police station doesn't impede your
future vision for that. So we we may not
[27:54] fully resolve the retail space for
example, but we want to make sure that
[27:59] we set you up so that you can do
something in the future.
[28:06] So we go to the next one. Then
this is what I was talking about with
[28:12] massing. So we're looking at how this
building is going to sit potentially on
[28:17] site, how people are going to approach
the front door. What what scale does
[28:24] this building bring as it gets a high
roof, a pitched roof, a low roof, a flat
[28:29] roof? Are there any spaces that require
twotory volume? So, if we think about
[28:34] your um chambers, your media room,
that's going to want to have a higher
[28:39] ceiling than some of the other office
spaces that are adjacent. So, it makes
[28:43] sense to bring that volume up and
express that architecturally on the
[28:48] outside. That also gives us a little
roof line relief. This is right against
[28:52] that residential area, and we want to be
sensitive to that, right? We don't want
[28:56] to overpower, overwhelm those nearby
homes. So, we want this to be contextual
[29:01] and to fit into that area. Um,
so these are going to be further
[29:07] developed. The next ones will have
brick, I promise. Um, so we'll be able
[29:12] to see that.
And I think that's our last slide. Oh,
[29:16] so here's where we are. Thank you.
Um, our next steps, we're going to go
[29:21] through plan reviews with all of the
building occupants. We're going to look
[29:24] at our exterior materials and start to
have discussions on how that building
[29:29] looks. Does it fit into the uh community
and what are our systems in the
[29:34] building? How does the HVAC work, the
electrical work, is it easy to maintain?
[29:38] Is it something your folks are familiar
with? Um and and is it is it efficient?
[29:45] Once we're done with that, we'll wrap it
up, submit it to you all to uh review
[29:50] and approve. we can come back and and
meet with you guys and walk through
[29:53] those plans again. Uh and then we move
forward into design. All told this
[29:59] timeline um from now on we can wrap up
in anywhere between 4 and 6 months
[30:05] depending on
basis we want to have.
[30:10] I've drowned on for quite a while. Thank
you for your time. I appreciate it. Good
[30:14] presentation. Very good presentation.
Um,
[30:20] really like what you have set up there.
Um, I like what you have. Um, the way
[30:26] you position it. Um, I don't know about
the the rest of the committee members.
[30:31] Um, like you put a lot of uh thought
into it. Um, love the fact that you have
[30:39] um using the the designs on that third
plan where you have the um the chambers
[30:46] area or whatever you call it right
there. Then you have that extended area
[30:50] and also uh he also noted that he's
going to have a petition there where we
[30:55] can actually um uh make that for shorter
times.
[31:01] if it's only a small meeting, we'll just
have that petition up. When it's not,
[31:05] the petitioner go down. Um he also made
it um that would be phase two. He talked
[31:11] about his phase two. about that that you
went ahead and included that phase two
[31:16] of adding the retail and the uh
amphitheater because uh one of the
[31:22] things that uh I envision is bringing
the town more money and the only way
[31:28] we're going to do that is going by
having more businesses. If we have
[31:31] businesses in on our land, land that we
already own, uh that will help bring in
[31:37] more money for the uh personnel and for
other projects. Uh rent out in Gaston
[31:46] County is super high. I will tell you
that right now. I told you that someone
[31:51] out here right on Hosart get some small
bills pay over $4,000
[31:56] um for that their space. If you go down
holes, walk right out here. These places
[32:01] don't look like much, but they're $4,000
a month. Over $4,000 a month. Um, I
[32:08] think we can get some business in here.
Some some shops that we don't have,
[32:11] coffee shops and things.
I think if we had amped, we can bring in
[32:17] singers and things of that nature.
That's also going to generate money. So
[32:21] this is this is all about generating
money so that we can uh support projects
[32:27] and actually make sure we have uh enough
money to support the people uh that work
[32:32] here.
>> That's all I'll say on that.
[32:35] » Are you going to go back to the design
of the animal theater?
[32:39] » So when you say green space, what is the
green space platform?
[32:44] » So that's up to our imagination. Um,
we're reserving that space in our
[32:50] planning to suggest that that would be a
good use for that. Um, you could do a
[32:56] splash pad. You could have a turf area
to, you know, have some pick up soccer
[33:03] games or something. Um, it's a community
space. It's just a space. Okay.
[33:09] » And how many square foot you don't know
>> of green space?
[33:13] » Yes.
>> I don't know, but I can find that out.
[33:17] And so the town hall on that side will
still be the same as the other.
[33:23] » Yes, it's the same. We would just
>> dimension
[33:26] » flip it, rotate it. Yes, ma'am. We would
just kind of work work that in. If we
[33:30] have to make some plan changes to make
something else work, we are
[33:34] » Do you know what the square footage is
on that one?
[33:36] » You're roughly just under 13,000 ft for
that building.
[33:47] Mr. Mayor, do you mind if I ask a quick
question? Absolutely. CJ, can
[33:50] » you go to that um the steps page towards
the end?
[33:57] You mind if I ask a quick question?
>> By all means.
[33:59] » Um just so that I can also as a town
manager wrap my head around how we can
[34:04] keep us moving uh advantageously, I
guess maybe would be the word. So when
[34:09] we're sitting here in schematic design,
I think what's nice about
[34:14] speaking on behalf of myself as a
manager, not as a voting person, what I
[34:17] think is nice about how you've designed
it is it's right now it's built to where
[34:22] it could be made into phases, right?
Which I think some of the board members
[34:25] have expressed that to me where um you
know it could be it could lead to phase
[34:30] one is town hall police station, phase
two is retail, phase three is whatever
[34:35] the board kind of comes up with, right?
But it seems like, and just I want to
[34:39] make sure I'm getting this. When we're
in the schematic design step so that we
[34:42] don't stop, is what you would be looking
for, not to put you in a bad spot, is
[34:47] what you're looking for as far as site
configuration. Does that have to be
[34:52] buttoned up in this step? And I guess
the reason I said all the schematic
[34:55] stuff or the phase stuff is really what
the board just needs to decide is where
[34:59] it's sitting and how it's rotated. Is
that kind of right?
[35:03] » Essentially, yes.
>> Yeah. because we'll tweak it through
[35:06] design development, but at some point we
need to do go through planning
[35:11] department submissions to make sure we
stay on schedule. Uh so you're you're
[35:15] absolutely right. At this phase, the
closer we can get the dean in the right
[35:18] spot, the easier it's going to be for us
to submit for planning department
[35:22] approval and that's usually the long
goal of intent. You know, that they take
[35:26] the longest to review and get back to
us. We want that review to be wrapped up
[35:31] by the time we finish construction
documents so that we can submit the
[35:35] permit, go to bid, be ready to go. Um, I
don't ever want the town to feel though
[35:40] like you're locked in. We will try to
keep you apprised of critical milestones
[35:46] such as that. If you're sitting there
and you're like, you know, Josh, mayor's
[35:50] office, you know, I want to paint paint
the wall in there orange. Tell me now.
[35:56] We'll write it down. will make sure it
happens. There's never too early to tell
[36:00] me. There never is too late to tell me
something. There will become a point
[36:04] where that starts to become um an
impediment. And I think what's so
[36:08] beneficial about you guys coming here
and thank you all for being here is that
[36:11] you know we had heard from this board
you know hey we want to have an
[36:14] opportunity for input which is exactly
what this opportunity is but also to
[36:18] know that really the just the direction
could just be that the layout almost the
[36:23] end. because that gives you enough
running room so that we can make this
[36:26] thing happen and and start generating
that revenue or start you know have get
[36:30] out of the trade right so it's good to
know kind of you know there are a lot of
[36:34] different options here but but having
that kind of that okay I think this is
[36:38] kind of the direction that this board is
is thinking would would make it that
[36:42] much faster
>> right
[36:43] » yes
>> and I also um requested that we keep in
[36:47] touch
>> yes
[36:48] » um monthly
bi-weekly or what bimonthly
[36:53] » Mhm. uh meetings um however you guys
want to set up that schedule. Great.
[36:58] » Um just to kind of tell us where you are
in the uh process.
[37:02] » Yes, sir.
>> I think major milestones make make good
[37:05] sense when we get ready to make critical
decisions and we'll coordinate those
[37:10] with uh the manager. Make sure we get
get together for that.
[37:15] » Great.
My my biggest um
[37:19] thing is we have an opportunity to
really lay this out for 50 years, 100
[37:27] years. And so taking this opportunity to
really think about what we want it to
[37:32] look like, not just in 20 years, but in
50 years that I was up long.
[37:40] Um, so
>> that was only,
[37:43] » right? And so I I personally really want
to see us not just think 20 years, but
[37:51] more down the line of what the potential
possibility could be because again,
[37:56] building town halls are expensive. So
we're not doing this every 20 years.
[38:00] » That's right.
>> And I'm not disagreeing with that. I
[38:04] think that's a great I think it's
awesome idea. Uh the only thing is is we
[38:08] we're limited on money. We're limited on
funds. So uh we'll we'll have to see
[38:13] what we can build for now and then um
hopefully
[38:19] that building can be updated.
Like you said earlier said maybe uh we
[38:26] can add another floor.
I don't know how that'll work with the
[38:30] elevated ceilings, but we that would be
happy somewhere out there.
[38:33] » Adding I have had the distinct privilege
of um helping towns who have reached
[38:41] that 50-year mark and said um it's time
for us to grow again. How do we do it?
[38:46] And in doing that, I've seen for the
stakes of the past and um adding a
[38:54] floor,
Lexington Police Department, city of
[38:58] Lexington, their police department was
designed to add a floor for um the
[39:02] building code changed. Now they can't
have a foreign police department. So all
[39:07] the effort and the money that went into
that was was forgotten. So we look at
[39:13] things strategically different now and
we can come up with some different
[39:16] options on how we'll grow in 20 years.
Um so what what is the next board going
[39:22] to be thinking about when they get
there? Will they be wanting to grow on
[39:26] that site enough parking and
infrastructure? Will police want to be
[39:30] there anymore given how the town has
grown? Does it make more sense for them
[39:34] to move out into a building that is
wholly their own and for you all to
[39:39] expand in that same building? I think
working through those scenarios, and I
[39:44] appreciate you all hearing me out on
that because I think working through
[39:49] those scenarios is important. Your plan
doesn't have to be perfect. As long as I
[39:53] think we can tell future generations,
here's what we thought we would do. So,
[39:57] we set you up like this. We might be
wrong. We all know how what God does
[40:04] while they he runs them under, but we
can try. And I think that's that's her
[40:11] that's over.
>> I think that's
[40:14] » and I I kind of beg to differ um with
you, mayor, because I think money is out
[40:19] there. We just got to admit it. We got
to find it. But money is out there and I
[40:23] don't think we should limit ourselves
because money.
[40:31] » No problem. But we Anybody else have
anything you want to add?
[40:37] We rotate it for the option of building
businesses and everything.
[40:44] » No, it uh didn't take
>> Let me check. Can I check? I I want to
[40:49] check and make sure. I know the first
option would not if we rotate it and
[40:53] push it more north along Spencer
Mountain there, it may it may impact
[40:58] that score right up. So, let me look at
that. Way off the ball field.
[41:04] » Okay.
>> Yeah. all the way that
[41:08] we find another location. We're going to
do that.
[41:11] Baltimore
places
[41:16] right the strategy. I would say my
opinion is going rotating for future
[41:23] growth for business. Even if we don't
build business now, 20 years from now,
[41:28] they got room to build up that way. If
we set it up for we build it, they'll
[41:33] come on halfway.
We don't need to do anything until we
[41:39] have a replacement
right now.
[41:44] » We build a better field off
[41:49] Charlie and I joke that we could build
this like can of yards and we could just
[41:53] put you guys on the outfield hitters in
his office.
[41:57] » Yeah. And that was a that's a that's a
great point that Commissioner Moore
[42:00] brought up that uh we know we the town
loves the ball field and uh that um
[42:07] Commissioner Moore came up with the idea
of possibly looking for a new spot.
[42:12] » Where where would that be? I mean,
[42:17] would you take the water plant, put the
ball field down there? Take uh I mean it
[42:22] cost a little money. You take the job
track and houses on side jog track
[42:26] person houses that run the back of jog
track there and have a good soccer field
[42:31] and all combination and a walking track
all the spot
[42:35] » ain't already a ball field back there
>> going back to Dallas
[42:39] » that's the old me
[42:45] » there is a place there
[42:52] » used to be
small field over the the bar meal down
[42:59] but I think that they fed a bunch of
hazardous stuff down here so that rules
[43:06] that out
called Berton had a ball field
[43:11] with their softball team
[43:18] » I think you gave a good presentation a
great one
[43:21] » thank I appreciate that.
[43:26] » Excellent. Um, do we need to vote on
this plan or anything like that with him
[43:32] moving on with uh plan C cuz that's what
it looks like he's moving on right now.
[43:38] » Yeah. Unless there's I don't even think
it necessarily needs a straw poll. I
[43:43] think if the board kind of get
semi-aggreeing on at least move in one
[43:47] of the plan directions that would give
our our architects and engineers at
[43:51] least some running. Is that a fair
assessment?
[43:54] » Yes sir.
>> Um but I think you know if it's going to
[43:57] be a if it's going to be a pick one or
two I think and the board can do
[44:01] whatever you want. So opt option three
is the one he's building for. So I think
[44:08] that's our best option for me, but I'm
not
[44:12] good choice.
>> Well, can can I just can we just
[44:17] brainstorm?
>> That was the point of this whole
[44:20] communication.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
[44:23] In my mind, if I could try something
different, I would I would thought it'
[44:29] been a great idea
for where we are right now to be a town
[44:34] hall and the lodge and move over there.
[44:39] single family.
>> I mean, I just when I look at the space
[44:44] that we have here,
>> I think this would be an awesome spot
[44:49] for a town hall and then we could take a
smaller building and put it over there
[44:53] and still keep the ball field and all
that. I just see this I just see this is
[44:58] a lot of space right here. That's just
me in my head.
[45:05] Yeah.
>> What do you think?
[45:08] » You know, I had I had to talk about it.
>> No, I seriously had
[45:14] » Well, you you do you do rent this
facility out quite often.
[45:18] » We do.
>> So, there would be loss of potential
[45:20] loss of revenue.
>> Not if we moved to another.
[45:23] » Not if you built a new lodge somewhere
else, right?
[45:26] » And just use this space right here. I
love the way it sits up on the hill. It
[45:31] sits off the road. and our town hall
were here,
[45:35] » I think we would be about four times
this size.
[45:39] That that new building would would have
to quadruple the size of this building.
[45:43] » Okay. Thank you. I'm just
I I would rather us know that we thought
[45:49] about it and and understand why we
didn't do it again so that other people
[45:55] know that we've explored all the
options. So, thank you.
[46:03] So I guess what are the objections?
[46:08] » Are you looking for May in both?
>> I'm just waiting for the final thank you
[46:15] so
in reality I I've heard some good
[46:19] things. I think there's consensus that
we we like the option with the
[46:24] amphitheater. We want to maximize the
usable space on the site. We will work
[46:29] with town staff to review the floor
plans to maximize the efficiency of the
[46:35] operation of the building so that it's
what they need. And then we will come
[46:39] back at the end of schematics and
present those plans as to what was
[46:43] decided. Your overarching vision is a
town hall, police station, the
[46:48] amphitheater, potential retail.
>> And just just just think about this as
[46:52] well. Um
if I mean it's a great idea. I think we
[46:57] should use our minds to uh bring up all
all of the ideas. Um like you said that
[47:03] would quadruple if we can do it here.
Now just my thoughts um just because of
[47:09] the fact that if you do that you would
lose that revenue here. You would have
[47:14] to take this building down or do
something with it and then build
[47:19] something else. I think that hikes our
cost up quite a bit.
[47:23] » You're going to build a new lodge.
>> Yeah. Well, this is what I was thinking.
[47:26] » And this one just got renovated.
>> This one just got renovated. So, this
[47:30] place is charming. I hate to lose that.
>> Yeah, it is. And I guess what it is is I
[47:35] was thinking because I I heard a little
bird tweet in my ear that the church may
[47:41] consider selling their parsonage on the
other side.
[47:45] And that's when I'm thinking, wow, this
would be a great to come around the
[47:49] curve, have a town hall here.
>> But it has a center of town.
[47:54] » Center of town.
[47:57] I just don't want to spend more money
than we have to spend. You know, we do
[48:00] that. We got to pay this bill, pour down
all the grades going require a lot more
[48:04] gra.
And then you got to build another
[48:08] building down there. It's going to cost
anywhere from a million million build.
[48:15] » On slab.
>> Okay.
[48:18] » I just
the forward vision of it. That's a good
[48:21] idea. Be great to have one sitting on
the hill. They look good, but then
[48:26] what's it going to cost in the long run
to do it?
[48:30] » Be nice to have a lot down there with
all the the parts and everything else.
[48:33] But
>> I'm just
[48:37] we got we got the I only know way to get
rid of this bill. I don't know. We had
[48:41] to go way back, look at the agreement
with the mills that give us the
[48:45] property.
>> And it was funded to be renovated by the
[48:49] general assembly. We probably wouldn't
make our delegates very happy if
[48:53] it say
>> and we do own the parcel right here
[48:59] that's next to it that butts up to the
parsonage because we had talked about um
[49:03] and I think it was one of our CPF
requests to the congressman was money
[49:06] for a trail head for us to be able to
connect to the Carolina thread trail. So
[49:10] we kind of had some ideas about you know
because this kind of feels like a
[49:13] mountain cabin you're right here in the
shadow of the mountain board can do what
[49:16] it wants. Um, but I know we had tossed
around the idea of uh of running
[49:20] sidewalk here uh to connect to the
Carolina Thread Trail. There's half a
[49:24] million to 800,000 people are going to
come out. We have a place for someone to
[49:28] come. We put some local art exhibits
where people can come paint murals. I
[49:32] know we're trail, right? I think I'm not
a vote. I realize I'm I'm speaking a
[49:37] lot, but um I think it's just worth
considering that we kind of already
[49:41] talked about the possibility of trail
head and some other ideas there.
[49:45] » Yeah. Uh yeah, I'm going go ahead and
let you speak. What was your input on
[49:50] this?
>> Uh so my name's Jessica um 20
[49:55] drive. Um
so uh we already have you said this
[50:00] space here. You already got this nice
little platform there. So, my thought
[50:03] was, well, we can even just turn this
big grassy spot here into this
[50:09] amphitheater and then in that
amphitheater area right there, you could
[50:12] turn it into something else that would
be multiuse. Um, so that's one of my
[50:17] concerns is having this prime location
here being dedicated to single use um
[50:24] positioner activities.
And like you got your ring there. Then
[50:30] you got an amphitheater, which is only
useful when you're having,
[50:34] you know, specific events or like music
or something. There are ways to set that
[50:40] up to be
constantly
[50:43] useful to different parties. Um that
that's always been my that's become like
[50:49] my big thing is how do you make
something multi- multi-purpose? Um like
[50:55] retail is a great idea where it's right
in there. That way you constantly have
[51:00] um
like traffic.
[51:04] When I say traffic, I mean people in
this area cuz that actually will make it
[51:07] safer as well. You won't have it clear
out like your central business districts
[51:12] after you know your 9 to5. That way it
just it keeps that area really lively
[51:16] for a very long time uh throughout the
day. Um, as well as with the parking, if
[51:23] there were a way to have it
[51:29] basically be focused on pedestrians
and have the traffic, the the parking
[51:37] less of the focus
so that it's it's not so carcentric.
[51:42] there be a way to
smoosh things together in a way that
[51:47] makes the public transportation cost and
encourages especially if we're going to
[51:52] be having retail. Um that would and
combining it in with the thread trail so
[51:59] that you have more of the
making that like a hub area where people
[52:04] can catch the bus drive up to the thread
trail areas instead of focusing in so
[52:10] much of your car parking cuz again that
just ends up being a lot of waste cars
[52:15] are sitting there. Yeah, that's valuable
space into green space or do more
[52:20] buildings for retail or put in more
amphitheater space.
[52:25] » I like it. I like it. That sounds great.
That's and I like your idea as well. U
[52:32] so all those all those ideas that's why
we come together so we get great ideas.
[52:37] Um nobody's
the know it all and I love that. Uh I
[52:42] love this idea as well. Um, adding the
amp data here sounds great, but we're
[52:47] not we're not going to focus on that
right now. We're going to focus on the
[52:50] the main thing uh that uh Josh came here
to talk about. So, um the police
[52:57] department, but now you kind of know
where we thinking at for phase phase
[53:02] two,
>> the retail question. Is the town hall
[53:05] one level or will it be two levels?
>> We're showing one level.
[53:14] Yeah, if you have a followup question
see
[53:25] » and this is what accommodated
the growth.
[53:30] » Yes,
this plan will have empty offices the
[53:35] day.
[53:46] You want to visual the size? You said it
was 13,000,
[53:50] » right?
>> The new fire station is 14,000. So
[53:55] that's the size of the building if you
look at the size of it.
[53:58] » Let me let me let Diane speak on this
one. Um can you say the name and address
[54:04] again? I'm sorry.
>> Diana Palmer. Um 325 down.
[54:12] You gave us three options on the
building itself. Two flat roofs and one
[54:17] pitched.
>> Oh, on the Massie. Yes, ma'am. That's
[54:21] those are initial explorations.
>> Okay.
[54:24] » We're not we're not picking from those
today.
[54:28] My my thought thinking ahead in what
John has said as far as growth or space,
[54:36] if you had pitched roof, if it was
pitched enough and built so that you
[54:44] could do so, you could layer
or have stairways already up to that
[54:52] attic. One, it could be storage for the
time being. two, it could be converted
[54:58] later into some office space in the
meeting.
[55:04] » Elevator
[55:07] potential. Yes, sir. Could could be, but
we've we've we've seen that done before.
[55:13] We've done it before.
>> Well, he he was he that that's a great
[55:17] idea as well. I was also going to say
that I'm going to in just a second, but
[55:21] um you also said that what what made a
whole lot of sense to me is that we
[55:27] don't know how the times are going to
change. We don't know how the codes are
[55:31] going to change. Um so
do we really want to build for that now?
[55:40] Well, I also
>> have the current town hall and the
[55:45] leakage problems we have and the roof
issues with being a flat roof.
[55:51] » Yeah.
>> You I don't know what the potential is,
[55:54] but I would think a pitch roof, even a
small pitch,
[55:59] » Yeah.
>> would be
[56:04] I want to say economical.
maybe less issues or problems with water
[56:13] settling because as the I don't care
what building you build or where you
[56:19] build it and how secure you try to make
it, you're going to have settling
[56:25] and as you settle
with a flat roof, I would think you
[56:30] would have more places where water is.
>> Yeah, that that makes a lot of sense.
[56:36] Does a black roof that sound like you're
a good expert?
[56:40] » Um, you you are right. A metal roof will
typically leak less than a membrane
[56:46] roof. Since your former town hall was
built, the codes and uh construction
[56:51] methods for membrane roofs has changed
significantly. Um, so we don't have as
[56:58] much of an issue as we used to with
that. It is an economical. It is a
[57:04] decision of economics to some degree
because a pitch group will cost more
[57:08] than a membrane. So, we want to make
sure we're balancing all of those
[57:12] things.
>> Okay. Sorry. Go ahead.
[57:16] » Just going up to your 21 sunset.
>> Um,
[57:21] so you said with the code changes and
your idea of expanding how they were in
[57:27] the future. So, what if instead of wrong
and flat to begin with, we go up right
[57:35] away and it's uh we make it a twostory
building immediately. And then that way
[57:42] it's already geared for, you know, coded
for twotory and then you have a chunk of
[57:47] space that would need to be left or
green space, not trees, like bushes and
[57:54] stuff. And then if the time comes to
either choose to uh move or expand it,
[58:01] then you're already coded for two
stories and you can just boom open it.
[58:06] Um and then that way you are all you're
temporarily having all that extra land
[58:11] to be able to be used by the town.
Um you're kind of planning for the
[58:16] future of already being two stories,
which is always nice as the area grows.
[58:21] Um
and you take up vertical space which is
[58:26] something you can't you can't build like
as a wide open free what's
[58:34] for tears going oh not at home. Um,
so that way you kind of like plan for
[58:40] everything all at once.
go with immediately if you have let's
[58:45] say
um
[58:48] I would almost you almost want to put
town hall stuff and like town office
[58:54] we're not up top and then the police and
the fire station and all that stuff they
[58:59] can go down so they can get out then go
do emergency stuff quicker or you know
[59:05] you have them have the drone down hole
if they need it Um
[59:12] yeah, just having that expandability in
the future built in.
[59:19] » So why was the decision to make it one
level versus two?
[59:24] » It's an economical decision at this
point. We find the tipping point for
[59:30] two stories to be somewhere around
35,000 to 40,000 ft. At that point, by
[59:36] stacking the building, you're saving
land area uh and you're offsetting the
[59:41] cost of the elevator and stairs by
reducing the amount of foundation.
[59:47] Um on a building this size, if you were
to go twotory and say you have an empty
[59:52] shell for the second floor, uh which is
a good idea for expansion, that would
[59:57] double the size of the building. Um
however you would end up incurring the
[1:00:02] cost of the shell as well as the cost of
the infrastructure to meet the shell.
[1:00:07] Those being uh additional bathrooms uh
elevator and uh at least two sets of
[1:00:13] stairs.
So at this for this size building we
[1:00:18] typically recommend a singlestory
building uh and then we look at
[1:00:23] alternative methods for space.
[1:00:28] Okay. Do a brainstorm. Okay.
[1:00:34] How probable could it be the town
could purchase
[1:00:41] old meals
and have it renovated for a town hall.
[1:00:46] The ones that are already here.
Um
[1:00:51] I I don't I don't believe they're for
sale. But have you ever done renovations
[1:00:56] like that?
>> Yes.
[1:00:58] Is that cheaper
>> for a police station? No.
[1:01:03] » For police station? No.
>> For an admin building potentially.
[1:01:06] » Okay.
>> For a police station, no. Because a
[1:01:09] police station is what we call a risk
category 4 building. Is what we call an
[1:01:14] essential facility. Meaning it is built
to a higher structural standard than a
[1:01:20] typical office building. In order to
accomplish that in a uh existing
[1:01:25] building, you typically have to provide
some level of reinforcement, structural
[1:01:29] reinforcement. Um, and on older masonry
buildings like those mills, that can be
[1:01:35] somewhat challenging because they're
usually all brick exterior walls.
[1:01:41] I feel bad because you're coming up with
really great ideas and I keep
[1:01:46] » No, no, no. You're good. Come on, man.
I bring, you know, bring the ideas,
[1:01:52] challenge it. Um, you know, we make
assumptions on your behalf all day long
[1:01:57] and and I don't want you guys to feel
like we made one that you don't like.
[1:02:01] So, this is not my building. This is
this is your building. This is your
[1:02:06] building.
>> Well, you you got the experience. You've
[1:02:10] got the the knowhow. So, uh we
>> Could they be separate buildings? Sorry.
[1:02:15] Oh yeah.
>> Could it be separate buildings?
[1:02:17] » Yes.
>> So like like for example what Robin was
[1:02:20] saying if like across the street like
that building could be the admin
[1:02:28] building that could be
upfitted versus building the police
[1:02:33] station across the street.
>> Yes.
[1:02:37] You know, I I recall a few years ago
they had considered
[1:02:41] well it's been more than a few years
ago, but they had considered moving the
[1:02:45] police station beside the mill over
there in the L going towards the L. Do
[1:02:49] you you remember that Chief Musford?
There's an empty building sitting there
[1:02:56] and they were considering purchasing it
just to solely be police department. I
[1:03:02] don't think it was town hall. Am I
right, Kimmy? you I think it was just
[1:03:06] for police
>> and they were going to keep the the town
[1:03:10] hall in the same place
>> but they wor
[1:03:15] » the building was in bad shape
>> bad shape they wanted way more than
[1:03:18] » right okay
>> I mean you can build you that's the way
[1:03:24] you build on that land build 20
[1:03:32] look out
Well, also they're not even for sale,
[1:03:38] » you know.
>> That makes it more expensive, too.
[1:03:43] » It does. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:03:48] » If I could say operational wise would
respect with a small town like Ranlo to
[1:03:54] have all your uh administration and
police in one site really makes it
[1:03:59] simple for everybody in town to know
where to go.
[1:04:04] Um, and and I I will say I do love what
you're trying to do with retail. Uh,
[1:04:09] when I was in Fletcher, we did the same
thing. Uh, we built the town hall first
[1:04:14] and then it came because as long as you
had good pedestrian access, as long as
[1:04:19] you had good parking, uh, good
visibility, you control the property.
[1:04:25] Um, you know, I would maybe even suggest
reaching out to developers now to see if
[1:04:30] there was an interest
>> and then that way you could do it all at
[1:04:34] one time. It should be cheaper as well.
>> I like that idea.
[1:04:40] » It's great.
>> Commissioner, we can get this together
[1:04:45] more. I mean, I don't want to want to
make sure you say everything you need
[1:04:48] to.
>> I've said it except I think we need to
[1:04:51] just go on and do our business tonight.
I think we've covered everything that we
[1:04:56] could possibly cover tonight.
>> Thank you, ma'am.
[1:05:00] » You know, I I like it that you guys were
open to the questions and and I like the
[1:05:04] input that I got from every we got from
everybody. Um small group, but I was but
[1:05:10] man, that was powerful. Uh so uh if if
everybody's in agreement, we we would
[1:05:16] ask Josh and uh um u Craig here uh honey
that to uh move forward with option
[1:05:25] three of this. Okay.
>> Well, I just got one thing is is the
[1:05:29] takeaway Doug, you wanted to know the
cost to ship. Correct.
[1:05:34] » Not the cost. I also want to know how
much if we build it right now, how much
[1:05:39] the ball field really affect right now,
>> right?
[1:05:41] » Cuz I want to take that away from the
kids until we have a place to replace
[1:05:45] it.
>> Right. But I think about shifting it for
[1:05:50] what we will want.
>> Right. Yeah. Right. Build it for the
[1:05:53] future. But while they're working on
building it, drawing it up, we need to
[1:05:58] be working on a different space for the
sports complex.
[1:06:02] » For sure.
>> Right. I mean, like I said earlier, you
[1:06:05] know, there they have softball
tournaments all the time around the
[1:06:07] county, but we can't have one there now
cuz the bats they make now are way
[1:06:13] different than the bats they make long
time ago. People be bouncing off people
[1:06:16] winners on Maple Avenue. So,
we can bring them into town, we can get
[1:06:21] a different ball field, deer size, less
stuff to hit.
[1:06:26] I'd like to see a survey done of towns
our size with an amphitheater to see
[1:06:33] what kind of profits or people it draws.
>> I'd like to see that.
[1:06:40] » What I could always do is reach out to
some of our neighbors. As you know, in
[1:06:43] Cass County, we have a really strong
relationship. All the managers in the
[1:06:46] county, the 13 14 of them. Uh I I know a
lot do a very good job of uh recreation.
[1:06:53] Gilgaston, you know, Mount Ali Knights,
you name it. Even Lincoln, you know, in
[1:06:57] Lincoln County, they do a lot of great
stuff. I can reach out to and I know I
[1:07:00] named a lot of towns that are bigger
than us, but what I can do is reach out
[1:07:03] and even LOL to a similar size and ask
ask
[1:07:06] » for
that would be interesting to see our
[1:07:11] size.
Now, I would like to also say that the
[1:07:15] amphitheater is not just going to
attract people and random.
[1:07:20] » Oh, I agree.
>> You're going to get money from people
[1:07:23] coming outside cuz Gaston County to me,
I don't think has a lot of
[1:07:29] entertainment. So, that would be a draw
for us.
[1:07:33] » Yeah,
>> that would make money for the town of
[1:07:36] Random. Um, we got the new trail coming
in. like having their that pavilion that
[1:07:43] they have where they have all of their
events. So making something like that
[1:07:48] » and that and that trail that's coming
through, the new trail is coming
[1:07:51] through, that's what's going to make
people see it even more. I'm sorry.
[1:07:55] Could you
>> just want to make a point on
[1:07:57] amphitheater? So in some of the other
towns, they don't just use it for
[1:08:01] entertainment as far as like, you know,
having bands and nights and things like
[1:08:04] that. A lot of people rent those for
like weddings and things like you know
[1:08:08] have outdoor perfect parties and things
like that. So they have my friends out
[1:08:14] of those things as well. Um, and just
since I'm talking, oh, and surely that's
[1:08:19] me. I was still 57.
Um, just sitting here looking at the
[1:08:23] plans of the building, the flat roof. I
was just imagining with the retail in
[1:08:28] that area, just some rooftop activities,
maybe just like sit areas um places
[1:08:34] where people can have uh chairs and
tables during the parade and things like
[1:08:38] that. I think that would be just amazing
to be able to sit on the roof in Reno
[1:08:42] and enjoy the scenery and some of the
mix that we already have coming through.
[1:08:47] » The stairs in your office
[1:08:53] that all
plaza is just my office.
[1:08:57] » If I say this, and I'm not going to say
nothing else, but this is the one thing
[1:09:02] that I would like to see. I would like
to see this town expand what you
[1:09:08] consider central Rambo.
We've got some beautiful land moving
[1:09:13] this way.
>> Oh yes.
[1:09:15] » And you know instead of crowd it all up
in one little area. Stretch Rambo out.
[1:09:21] You know the prettiest things in Ramlow.
We don't highlight
[1:09:25] our mountain and the South Pole River
back there. We do nothing with that. And
[1:09:31] I think it's the prettiest things in
Ramano other than some of the
[1:09:34] recommends. But I would love to see us
move out. You know what I'm saying? Move
[1:09:40] out. Move down. Come up with something
else. Have everything just sit right in
[1:09:44] the central part which then you got the
track that you have to contend with
[1:09:50] because we just all like to one little
spot of Rambo instead of just spread it
[1:09:55] out.
>> Only the only thing going down the hill
[1:09:57] that's in Rambo is the mountain. Hey, I
think we got really that's that's that's
[1:10:02] another phase I had presented for yet,
but yeah, we got some
[1:10:06] » we got land.
>> We got some great ideas. Uh we talked
[1:10:10] about doing some things with that um the
old water plan. Um
[1:10:17] » because I mean later on, but we'll talk
about it.
[1:10:19] » Yeah.
>> But this it's great ideas. Great ideas.
[1:10:23] » We'll get we'll continue to work. Do you
have any more questions? Please pass
[1:10:28] them on through Charlie. We'll
coordinate on that. We look forward to
[1:10:31] seeing you guys again soon.
>> Thank you. Thank you very much.
[1:10:36] » Did we did we have a number or no?
>> For what it's worth, that was staff's
[1:10:43] well I want to say favorite cuz
obviously we'll tailor some different
[1:10:46] things, but three was the one that the
department heads and I sat down and said
[1:10:50] that makes operationally the most sense
cuz I'm going to look great and now
[1:10:53] these guys doing amazing job halls work
great. You know, we had a little nuances
[1:10:57] in the way that we work and three was
our favorite.
[1:10:59] » Yeah. Is that okay with for the board?
If it's not
[1:11:08] » and I have a big pronouncing office if
anybody ever wants to stop, feel free to
[1:11:12] come.
>> All right. Thank you all very much.
[1:11:16] Appreciate you.
>> Appreciate it.
[1:11:18] » All right, guys. Let's go to item number
[1:11:28] we want to get started here soon.
[1:11:39] » Thank you guys.
All right guys, we're going to move on
[1:11:43] to item number six. um the uh general
fund line item discussion. Uh Charlie,
[1:11:51] you want to bring us in on this one?
>> How do we do it? I'll go kind of fast. I
[1:11:54] know we're already at an hour. Um what I
just wanted to kind of set the stage for
[1:11:58] with this board um is kind of how we
normally do things and how at least in
[1:12:04] local government normally kind of shakes
out, right? So most of the time um every
[1:12:08] time what happens is the the manager
will bring a manager's essentially
[1:12:13] proposed budget to this board based on
things that this group has come up with
[1:12:18] either workshops or having
conversations. Um, so the thing I want
[1:12:23] to kind of just mention on uh is kind of
my and our finance director's kind of
[1:12:30] take on what next year's will look like,
including kind of the conversation that
[1:12:34] we had with um that regional economic
forecast. And then two, I wanted to just
[1:12:39] walk through the general fund and our
budget just so that you can see budget
[1:12:43] so that you can see exactly how we pay
for every single thing that we pay for
[1:12:47] because there's a lot of requests that
got brought in this year and we have
[1:12:50] this board has a lot of different ideas
on different things to potential fund or
[1:12:54] different ideas but um with the way that
at least the shape of the world is right
[1:12:59] now I'm not foreseeing any major
increases to necessarily any of our
[1:13:04] revenues. Right. So, and if we're
operating at a at a balanced budget, if
[1:13:09] our revenues aren't changing, our our
expenditures shouldn't necessarily
[1:13:12] change either, right? Like we wouldn't
want to say like, and I've always used
[1:13:17] this metaphor like I don't if I want to
go buy a car, I don't go to the Ferrari
[1:13:21] dealership, look at a car, and then say,
"Okay, well, how much money do I make?"
[1:13:24] It's backwards, right? How much money do
I make? Okay, now maybe I should go to
[1:13:27] this dealership because I can afford a
car here, not a Ferrari, right? So, we
[1:13:31] wouldn't want to start with expenditure.
We wouldn't want to start by saying we
[1:13:35] want to buy this, we want to buy this,
we want to buy this, and how we make it
[1:13:37] all work. We should say, okay, what
historically have we gotten in
[1:13:41] revenue-wise, and how can we still
deliver a high level of service knowing
[1:13:45] that we're going to generate this much
revenue? That make sense?
[1:13:48] » Yeah. Um, okay, perfect. So, when we
went to the uh regional economic kind of
[1:13:53] forecasts, um, let me actually get you
to a page. If you look in the budget
[1:13:58] that's in your, this is last year, the
current fiscal year budget. Uh you can
[1:14:03] look at our revenues on our general fund
revenues on this too. I won't do the
[1:14:09] utility fund or the enterprise fund
rather. Go to page 10.
[1:14:15] » Page 10 in the budget. It'll look like
this. Teacher hat on for a second. Uh
[1:14:20] and at the top there that shows all of
our general fund revenues. So everything
[1:14:24] that our general fund is, it pays money
toward administration, this governing
[1:14:28] board, recreation, public works, police,
uh, sanitation, garbage, all those
[1:14:33] things come from the general fund
revenues. Um, I don't see
[1:14:40] uh, so what we've done kind of in the
past 2 years is taken kind of like a
[1:14:45] strategic initiative to start stepping
up some of our equipment, right? We've
[1:14:49] spent a decent amount of money, whether
it be out of pow or out of the general
[1:14:52] fund over the past two years to say, you
know, we need this new equipment. We
[1:14:56] kind of been running things to the side
of the road to get our finances back in
[1:15:00] into a good standing. You know, it's
time we get some new vehicles. It's time
[1:15:03] we get a new tractor. It's time we get
some new chainsaws, whatever it may be,
[1:15:06] right? Kind of taking we added a new
police officer, we added a part-time
[1:15:10] park attendant. Um, and we've kind of
made some of those decisions over the
[1:15:13] past two years. knowing what's going on
in the world right now and by that I
[1:15:17] mean the major uncertainty whether it be
the conflict obviously happening in Iran
[1:15:21] which and this is not meant to be a
political discussion but obviously
[1:15:25] tonight there's a deadline for
conversations on Iran all of those
[1:15:29] things I'm sure you've seen the price at
the pump our fleet is on wheels all of
[1:15:33] our police cars all of our public works
vehicles garbage trucks all on wheels
[1:15:38] all run on gasoline or diesel fuel so
that has an impact on us even if it
[1:15:42] feels like it's a million years or miles
away in a different planet, it has an
[1:15:46] impact on right. Also, the things to be
considered in proposing what I'm going
[1:15:51] to propose essentially a very
conservative budget is we have other
[1:15:54] things to think about like the new
committees like potentially a finance
[1:15:59] payment uh for a new town hall, right?
If if we hope to get financing from
[1:16:04] either uh the state general assembly or
from Congress, no avenue is going to pay
[1:16:08] for 100%. Everybody always wants some
money in, right? But now we can earmark
[1:16:13] money. we have a healthy fund balance
for stuff like that. Um, but you know,
[1:16:16] there's we've already talked with the
USDA who would be happy to uh have
[1:16:20] conversations with us about what
financing the building would look like
[1:16:22] and that's going to be a conversation we
have once we now that we kind of have an
[1:16:26] idea of what the size of the building is
or what it's going to kind of look like.
[1:16:28] That was the importance of tonight's
conversation. All those things on top of
[1:16:32] the fact that inflation is still a very
real a very real thing. You know, that
[1:16:35] that impacts a lot of our sales tax
numbers. You know, we had heard from a
[1:16:39] an economist out of Clemson that said
they expect either a consistent or maybe
[1:16:44] even a slight decline in sales tax from
a local government standpoint just
[1:16:48] because, you know, everything's a little
bit more expensive. Everybody's kind of
[1:16:51] just holding on a little bit more tight
be included. Everybody probably included
[1:16:54] to, you know, what you go get from the
grocery store or maybe I shouldn't Door
[1:16:57] Dash this or what it may be, right? So,
those kind of things have an impact on
[1:17:01] our on our on our budget. Um, so knowing
all of that, um, my plan after we have
[1:17:08] these conversations and I kind of hear
from this board about, you know, hey, we
[1:17:11] just let's make sure that we add this in
there. Let's make sure that this is
[1:17:14] considered. Uh, is I'm I'm not going to
bring you a monumentally different
[1:17:18] budget than from last year. It's going
to almost be exactly the same unless if
[1:17:21] this board says really this is a
priority. We want to have this funded.
[1:17:24] want to do this because if we're not
going to see
[1:17:28] a major increase, which I don't foresee
happening in our revenues, I'm
[1:17:33] absolutely not going to propose to this
board, let's have a major jump in
[1:17:36] expenditure as well, right? Because the
last thing we want to have is come this
[1:17:39] time next year. We spent X and we
thought we were going to collect Y, but
[1:17:45] we didn't collect Y, right? and we we do
a very good job now of running very lean
[1:17:50] on still being conservative in our
estimates for revenues, but not so much
[1:17:55] that we're putting a billion dollars
away every year because we're just so uh
[1:18:00] healthy in that, right? We've kind of
come off of that in the past year and a
[1:18:03] half because we know we've established a
healthy fund balance. We've committed to
[1:18:08] some positions into some new equipment.
Now, let's see how lean we can run,
[1:18:12] right? Kind of makes sense. I know it's
taking me a while to set the table.
[1:18:15] » No, that makes absolute sense. Uh we we
don't want to start buying a new car, a
[1:18:20] new house uh without having the money to
pay for it.
[1:18:24] » So absolutely makes sense. Although I
give me a bigger house, I got to already
[1:18:29] have revenue to be able to support it.
Um but having said that, having said
[1:18:36] that, um those guys Craig here made a
very um
[1:18:43] profound statement. uh we should start
looking at developers for that retail
[1:18:49] space
>> because
[1:18:52] developers come in
they owe
[1:18:56] that money will start coming to us
>> 100%. So there's
[1:18:59] » so you partner with them they build it
on their dime uh it's our space they pay
[1:19:06] us immediately. So that's what we want
to start looking at
[1:19:10] » and I'm happy to do that. So that P3
that public private partnership is what
[1:19:13] it's commonly called across local
governments that work with developers.
[1:19:16] Uh we in working with our engineers
whether driving and mostly we can start
[1:19:20] having conversations with that private
sector about who may be interested in
[1:19:24] helping you know to develop this. That's
something I'm happy to do. It's very
[1:19:27] common actually across
>> Hey let's let's just go ahead go ahead.
[1:19:32] » Just level 23 21 sunset turn
>> with uh putting in the developer
[1:19:38] requests and all that. One thing um I
have been learning about or brushing up
[1:19:43] on is essentially you want to make sure
any like retailer businesses that you
[1:19:47] put in, you don't want big heavy hitters
coming in. You want to make sure
[1:19:51] whatever they develop are like the
smaller businesses because the smaller
[1:19:56] buildings are actually a lot easier to
convert and grow and you know if one
[1:20:02] business fails which unfortunately
businesses fail at all then it's a lot
[1:20:06] easier for a new business to just move
right in rather than trying to figure
[1:20:10] out okay how do I fit into a big giant
box store.
[1:20:14] » Yeah. So making sure developers coming
in
[1:20:19] many businesses instead of like one.
>> Absolutely.
[1:20:23] » Yeah. We I think we more focused on
getting in the the space the retail
[1:20:28] space for now.
>> Uh and that's where we're talking I
[1:20:32] think me and Charles are on the same
page, right? We're talking about getting
[1:20:35] the retail space in and then whoever
wants to put a coffee shop in there or
[1:20:40] whoever wants to put whatever in that
space then that's who
[1:20:45] » Yeah, I think y'all saying the same
thing because you want smaller spaces to
[1:20:49] be able.
>> I'm sorry. Let me stop.
[1:20:54] » I I have a question. I might have missed
this but in his we showed us number
[1:21:00] three for the building.
I saw no dollar signs for each of the
[1:21:05] buildings. How much about how much was
he talking about?
[1:21:09] » Yeah, we I think we gave him a budget of
around 10 million.
[1:21:14] » 10 million.
>> Yeah. So,
[1:21:17] » this was this was this was the key here
though. This was the key.
[1:21:22] They have to get the designs together
so that we can go out looking for more
[1:21:29] grant money
>> and and how we're going to pay for it.
[1:21:32] Cuz this should come to no surprise that
it's going to be grant money, but some
[1:21:38] of it's going to come from
a long get a long loan. All right. So,
[1:21:45] that's that's going that's that should
that I'm not going to surprise you on
[1:21:48] that. So, we've already we already know
that uh and and other other counties,
[1:21:56] other municipalities have done this. So,
hopefully the loan load is long out
[1:22:02] there, fairly long. Uh we don't have to
pay a whole lot on it. And then as we
[1:22:07] get these new retail shops and things of
that nature in there, that would also
[1:22:10] help us pay that pay it off early. So,
those are those are some things you
[1:22:15] should definitely think about. You're
not going to get out of this
[1:22:19] that day.
>> That's just that's his key.
[1:22:22] » And if I may, so on Friday, I know I
told this board, we're meeting I'm
[1:22:26] meeting with a wealth advisor who does
this for municipalities all over the
[1:22:29] place to help leverage and best use our
money in the in in the smartest way
[1:22:33] possible. So once I meet with that
person, we've already kind of hit it
[1:22:37] off. He's great. uh we'll get an
agreement going and then Pete will come
[1:22:40] and speak before this board to make some
suggestions on down and on this on how
[1:22:45] to finance this and wealth and we we
are not
[1:22:51] very very very rich. We're not sitting
on mountains and piles of money but we
[1:22:55] can be smart with what money that we do
have. And that's what this person is
[1:22:58] going to do for us. I think it's going
to be a great help for us because we're
[1:23:00] in a position where um we would benefit
from that help. So that'll be this and
[1:23:05] I'll make sure that conversation gets
And we we we're being we're being
[1:23:09] realistic. We're being realistic. That's
why we said, "Hey, we're just going to
[1:23:13] focus on the town hall right now. That
other stuff will come after."
[1:23:20] » So, you want me to jump back in keep us
on track. So, if you jump to page 14, uh
[1:23:24] this is also something I'm proud of. The
state only requires us to publish
[1:23:28] essentially a department based budget
that shows kind of like nice whole
[1:23:31] numbers. what we always do uh in the
sake of transparency and good government
[1:23:35] is providing a line item budget. So you
can see on page 14 that begins the
[1:23:39] expenditures for the general fund and
we'll go all the way through to page 16.
[1:23:45] Um and then after that page 17 and then
the future or the rest of the document
[1:23:49] rather that's the utility fund, storm
water fund and how fund. So, if you have
[1:23:53] any questions about that, uh, or if you
have anything that's as compelling that
[1:23:58] this board says, I, you know, Charlie,
hey, you're here to do the math, make
[1:24:01] this work, add these numbers in, I will
do that. But just know that this year
[1:24:05] I'm going to be putting forth a very,
very conservative uh, proposal or
[1:24:11] proposed budget to this board uh, with
just the amount of uncertainty that we
[1:24:14] see. And on top of that, not only
worldly, but uh, with in house, right?
[1:24:19] We're in trailers. You know, things are
different now. You never know what could
[1:24:22] happen with the trailer. You hope for
the best, but when it comes to financing
[1:24:25] bill, we try to plan for the worst,
right? And then if by December we're
[1:24:28] building, you know, I think this is a
good opportunity for us to kind of hold
[1:24:32] tight, be a little bit conservative. But
obviously, this board can make whatever
[1:24:35] decision. The board can say to me, you
know, include a $600,000 line for XYZ,
[1:24:42] and I'll give you the math and tell if
it makes sense or not.
[1:24:45] » Yeah. Um, we don't like to say
conservative cuz everybody wants to
[1:24:50] spend and die. But unfortunately, you
you're making the smart decision, smart
[1:24:57] statements by saying we're going to be
conservative as you can on the budget so
[1:25:02] that we can u be prepared for what's
coming. Yes, sir. That's something that
[1:25:09] you employ me to do here and that's
something I take very seriously. Um, so
[1:25:12] that's all I think for the general front
line of discussion. I just wanted you to
[1:25:15] see if you know if you if if we say,
"Hey, let's fund this or let's do that."
[1:25:20] You can take a look now and say, "Oh,
okay. You know, if we wanted to do this
[1:25:24] $300,000 program, great. If it's a
onetime thing, we can maybe possibly
[1:25:28] have discussion around funding it out of
a onetime appropriation fund balance,
[1:25:32] but if it's a recurring general
operating cost, we have to find it
[1:25:35] within that general fund. And that's,
you know, no easy task. I'm here to help
[1:25:40] make all the things work. I just wanted
you to kind of see how it all comes
[1:25:43] together so that when when you see it
next month at the May meeting, the
[1:25:48] regular board meeting, it'll be my
essentially budget proposal. Uh based on
[1:25:52] things I've heard from this board, it
will look very similar to the past year.
[1:25:55] » Yeah. And I want to challenge every
board member here uh to go back look at
[1:25:59] this budget
to very close pay very close attention
[1:26:04] to make some notes for next meeting if
we have um any questions or any
[1:26:10] improvements that you think could be
made that's that's bringing it back.
[1:26:14] » All right. Uh can we move on uh to item
number seven,
[1:26:21] » water and sewer rate discussion on path
four.
[1:26:25] » Okay. So Charles, have been taken. Mr.
Mayor, this actually I thought it was
[1:26:31] going to take a long time, but I think
we're actually in in pretty decent shape
[1:26:34] and our rate study proved that. So at
the back of your packet, you'll have a
[1:26:37] sheet that looks like this. Uh if you
would just take a look at it. If you've
[1:26:40] been on the Jordan before, you're like,
"Dang it, I hate these. I don't want to
[1:26:43] see this again." And these are our rate
studies that show us what we uh what
[1:26:47] what the differences and things uh are
we do or don't make changes. So I'll be
[1:26:52] very very fast about this. As the board
knows, we are a purchased system. So we
[1:26:56] buy water from the city of Gastonia and
then when our waste water runs out of
[1:26:59] our town, it's metered that we paid for
that waste water to be treated. Uh
[1:27:03] because we are a purchased system, um we
pay the wholesale rate for Two River.
[1:27:07] We've had this conversation a million
times. Um, one thing that happened to
[1:27:11] this board last year is that Two Rivers
said that they had a five-year plan to
[1:27:15] do 5% on water