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Yeah. So, we'll go ahead and call the
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the pledge of allegiance. Rick, would
you mind leading us in the pledge?

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> Thank you, Rick.

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» Lan, if you could take the role, please.
>> Hodkin,

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» present. Ken Owens,
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Matthew Shore
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» Mary Sanders
>> here. Laura

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» present.
>> Excellent. Uh item four, amendments to

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the agenda and declaration of conflict
exparte contacts and site visits.

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None here.

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Just like that, we're on number five. Uh
action item. This is the consent

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calendar approval. We live.
>> Mayor and council. Before you on the

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consent calendar is the regular council
minutes of July 22nd, 2026, the regular

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and special bills as presented in the
packet and the acceptance of

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infrastructure and utility easement for
the Westwood apartment.

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» Council, any questions?

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» How about a motion?
>> Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion

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that we approve the consent calendar as
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» Made a second.
>> Second. Ken seconded

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and Loran if you take the role.
>> Larry Sanders.

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» Yes.
>> Ken Owens.

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» Yes.
>> Laura F.

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» Hi.
>> Matthew.

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» Yes. Right. Consent calendar approved.
Uh visitor comments. An opportunity to

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address concerns. No formal action
allowed. 3minut time limit per issue.

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Issues may be placed on a subsequent
agenda. Uh as a reminder, no public

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comments may be made on land use items.
Land use items include any item relating

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to a specific land use application or
process that is governed by state code.

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Is there anybody that would like to Yes,
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» My my concern is mainly the water.
>> Oh, sorry, sir. Would you mind stating

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your name and address for the
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Bob Granger. I live at

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14592 North Parkway Street, Rather.
>> Thank you, Bob.

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» Uh, I purchased my home in 1978.
We raised two children. Until recently,

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I've never had any low water pressure
until recently.

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And now in the mornings, my water
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what it normally is.
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loss of pressure is a direct result of
this city council rubber stamping every

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development plan across their desk.
Approvals are granted without any

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consideration to our infrastructure.
And a question I have, can anyone here

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tell me how many homes or apartments
have been approved that have not been

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built yet? Does anybody have a number
for that?

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Typically, we don't question an answer
during this time, but if Laura is

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willing to answer,
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and apartments and,
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it's around 1,500.
>> Okay, we've already got a low water

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pressure and these homes haven't been
built. What's going to happen to our

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water pressure when they get built? I'm
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Uh,
and I don't believe that approving more

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buildings is going to improve that water
system. The aquifer is a finite source

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and is already had been taxed to the
max. Everybody in the area, every city

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around here uses it and, you know, it's
going to run out. I mean, we're we're

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going to have no water at all.
My suggestion is a moratorium on any new

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construction if the solutions to the
existing problem is rectified. Council

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needs to start doing the job they were
elected to do. Looking out for the

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residents of Rather and not the rich
developers,

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you know, and and what's next?
Overcrowded schools or septic system at

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a cost of millions of dollars? We
already have residents whose homes are

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paid for but fear losing them due to
increased taxes. We need solutions to

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our overburdened infrastructures, not
more construction. Put your personal

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agendas aside and do the job you elected
to do. Start looking out for the

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residents of Rafter. Thank you.
>> Thank you, B.

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» Is there anyone else?

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Hi, my name is Michelle Fuljam. Um, I
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use attorney and I practice here in
Cland in Coupney County for 34 years. My

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land use practice, I represent
developers, neighbors, property rights

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groups, HOAs. I've represented cities. I
was the legal counsel for the Coupney

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County Board of Commissioners doing
their land use litigation. I have a

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variety of perspectives on land use law
over the past three decades. I'm here on

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behalf of my client Hayden Holmes to
assert two legal objections to the

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proposed moratorum. The first legal
objection is that it's a violation of

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Idaho code 67-6523.

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Raft's moratorium would be void and
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required showing of imminent peril.
Idaho code 67-6523

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governs the authority of local
governments to impose development

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moratoriums, but it's required to show
and factually support imminent peril to

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the public health, safety, and welfare.
Typically that imminent peril is shown

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through with Hower Lake, with Spirit
Lake, with those moratoriums. It was

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DEEQ findings of contaminated water in
the lake, pollution, runoff, untreated

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site disturbance um from imperous
surfaces were contaminating the lake.

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And that EQ scientific finding is what
was the basis. Same with the really

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famous Sierra Tahoe case. Lake Tahoe was
polluted. The contaminants were tested

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and the untreated development runoff, no
storm water mitigation was causing

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imminent peril to the health, safety,
welfare of the citizens due to the lake

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contaminants. We don't have that here.
We don't have anything like that

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scientific showing. Um the JUB analysis
has shown reasonable alternative um

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options for your water supply, your
water storage issues. Additional tank

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storage, additional well supply. Your
own city engineer has indicated

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conservation is a method. You have all
these other tools for water supply

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issues being resolved before you jump to
moratorum. So a moratorium would be

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unlawful because of a lack of imminent
peril. That gives rise to the second

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objections a regulatory taking which
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Government regulation that deprivives a
property owner of all or of

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substantially all economically
beneficial use constitutes a taking and

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it requires compensation. And that's
what would happen here is that the

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property owners would deprived of
economically beneficial use of their

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development land and the city would owe
compensation. Thank you.

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» Thank you, Michelle.

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Hello, my name is Joe Nunu and I live
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and um [snorts] I noticed the water
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I have sprinkler heads across my 7500T
lawn and I've seen those sprinkler heads

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not pop up.
Okay, this has been going on.

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I monitor the water.
I've worked I was a former BP of the

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Radiant Lake HOA Association.
I also had projects to

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reclaim sand. So, I'm not a
lawyer.

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I don't speak mumbo jumbo.
I'm talking to you directly.

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The water pressure is low
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you've got to really take a look at
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I used to live in California
and uh and I'm familiar with Lake Tahoe

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and they have problems in Lake Tahoe
keeping that water clean, that lake

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clean. It's an overgrowth. It's overpop
populating. I no longer vacation over

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there. So, uh, that's all I have to say
and thank you for your attention.

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» Thank you, Joe. Joe, can I just ask a
quick question? Has the city been out to

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measure the water pressure at your
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» Uh, no. But, uh, I can tell from the
sprinkler heads that pop [clears throat]

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up around the neighborhood, they're not
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uh,
that's all I have to say.

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» Yeah. And I'll I'll I'll we'll talk more
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thank you so much for your feedback.
Yes, ma'am.

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» My name is Chris Paulus. I've been here
since 1977

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and um I don't have any personal water
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what do you all think is going to happen
when you keep building

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and building and building and building
and taxpayer is now paying for all the

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extra roads, the extra schools, the
extra everything for all the people that

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have increased our area 50%. in five
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So the other lady I I agree with the
first person that was up here,

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everything he said. And the other lady
said, "Well, we could always just uh

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um cut back on our water use." And I'm
thinking, you know, I've been here a

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long time
and why should I suffer?

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because somebody else needs to make a
whole lot of money and they're not

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paying attention to my needs.
So, I guess uh just as a person who's

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been here a long time, I think you all
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the excessive building we're going
through. The traffic is terrible. It's

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frustrating.
So, that's all I have to say.

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» Thank you, Chris.

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Sir. Yes, ma'am.

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» My name is Jessica Cargle. I live on
Windshine Court in Rath here. Do you

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want my actual address?
>> No, that's fine.

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» Okay. Um, I'm also the president of the
North Idaho Building Contract

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Association. So, I know I'm the bad guy
in the room for a lot of you people. Um,

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but I just want to speak to the idea of
the greedy developer. Um because the

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reality is that a lot of the
improvements, the roads and the schools

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and things that you guys see built being
built are on the dime of the developer

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these days. Um impact fees are driving
the prices of housing up. And I'm the

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mother of two adult children who grew up
here, went to Lakeland schools who

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cannot afford a home here. So I
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Obviously from the building side, we
definitely understand infrastructure

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issues. Um we would like to see
solutions to those. One of the questions

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we have is since 2020, since this growth
started, what has been done by the city

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to prepare for where we are today? And I
think part of what we're dealing with is

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a lack of preparation that we can maybe
look forward to do a better job in that.

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Um, if it's not imminent peril, then
possibly this is a targeted solution

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type of a a need where we look at the
specific areas and specific ways that we

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can address those issues. I know
everybody

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here doesn't like the prairie being
filled in, but the reality is our local

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economy, if we constrain the building
supply, it's it's basic supply and

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demand. We constrain the supply, the
demand grows higher. We're not stopping

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people from coming into this area. We're
not stopping people from wanting to live

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here. What we are doing is pricing out
our local young families from being able

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to stay where they grew up. And that is
what we advocate for on the building

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side. We're not greedy. I if we could
sit down any day and talk numbers about

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what actually goes into what is
developed and how much the public

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benefits from what the developers do on
their dime by the requirement of the

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city. Great. We're a community. It's
growing. Understood. But

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we the anti-growth mentality of just
building is bad is pricing our local

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young people out of of the dream of home
ownership. And that is something we

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advocate for. So I would like you to
just consider that in your decisions

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today that a moratorium may not be the
answer that targeted solutions may be

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the answer to fix the infrastructure
issues. But there are people who would

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like to have their kids stay here and be
able to afford a home. And the more cost

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we apply to the requirements to build
and the more we constrain the supply,

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the harder it's going to be for our
young people to afford to stay in their

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hometown.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you. Anyone

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else? Rick.

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» Thank you. Thank you, mayor. My name is
Rick Fine and I reside in Brookshshire.

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I'm the HOA president there. Uh, couple
concerns.

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I'm not going to beat the dead horse
about the water pressure. I'm working on

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our end where we're having problems with
it. I will get Kevin a report so he

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knows exactly which zones we have that
aren't even coming up. Going back to

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uh issues continuously with the water.
If the we're we're blaming this person

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or we're blaming the developer,
but we should be looking at that side

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because the builder is the one who comes
up with the plans. And if they stop

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building all these greenways,
that would save a third of the water.

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A third. And I'm having problems with
keeping my grass green. And then I get a

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letter saying, "Your grass is brown."
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I just showed Leon the school property
that's over 8 ft tall against our fence.

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And if it catches on fire, it's going to
go through the whole neighborhood. What

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they told you about it was cut today,
they out and out lied to you. So you

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need to take your authority and go
downstairs and say, "You lied to me. Fix

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the problem. The school is responsible
for that lot. Get them to responsible to

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do it." This one is on Meer. Every time
I put in a slip, they tell me that the

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developer needs to finish the whole
development before they'll do it.

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It's Hayden Holmes. It's Dom Holmes.
It's Architect Holmes. Who's the one

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that's finally going to put it in?
I brought this to Leon's attention two

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weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago, that
there was a cement truck dumping slurry

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against this.

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Did anything ever get corrected on that?
No, because there was another truck 2

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days ago. And until the city council
gets on them and starts firing people

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because they're not doing their job,
we're going to continue to have

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problems.
Thank you.

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» Thanks, Rick.

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» Is there anyone else that would like to
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» All right. In that case, we'll move on
to item number seven, old business. This

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is an action item. Consideration of
adopting of findings of imminent peril

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related to water system pressure
concerns for an emergency moratorum

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ordinance.
>> Mr. Mayor and council, before you on

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that uh is that item for imminent peril?
There was a question that uh was not

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able to be answered in time for uh
council. I got a comments out at 3:00,

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but most of the council has not had an
opportunity to look at that. I kind of

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wanted to go through that real quick to
help address some of the questions that

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came up. Um, first of all, there in my
memo that is on the front of this, it

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talks about the uh water pressure
complaints and work orders that we

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received since June of 2022.
There's been 39 work orders over the

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four years. Um,
>> sorry, Leon, just just so I understand.

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So, so of all of the complaints that
we've gotten online, only 39 people have

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actually come to the city and said, "I
have a problem. Come measure at my

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house." Is that what that is?
>> Okay. So, 39 people in Rather have said,

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"I have a problem. Come read my water
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» That's correct.
>> Thank you.

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» Um, there was only one reading with less
than 40 PSI.

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This reading was determined to be a leak
on Washington Street and the property

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owner had has repaired that leak. Um,
the rest of them were over 40 PSI. I

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also broke it down by 10 PSI points for
each one of them. How many were in

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there? Seven from the 40 to 49, 5 to 50
to 59, 7 to 69, 5 70 to 79, 7 80 to 89,

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and 6 90 plus PSI with one of them just
stating that the pressure was good.

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» And sorry, Liam, my my eyes are
horrible. Um, and I'm not sure if the

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folks that are here can see this.
>> Thank you so much.

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» All [snorts] right. Trying to get that
bigger.

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» Okay. Um, so that was the extent of the
pressure readings. Another question is,

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has it been getting worse? Um, in 2022
we had 10. In 2023 we or sorry, in 2022

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we had two. In 2023 we had 10. In 2024
we had 11. 2025 we had 11. And in 2026

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we had five. The other part of the
question was is it seasonal or when does

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it happen? Uh so I also group this by
complaints by month. So the complaint

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was received in January. It's listed
here as those numbers. So in January we

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had three, February we had four, March
we had three, April we had three, May we

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had five, June we had 10, July we had
seven, August 2, September zero, October

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2, November zero and December zero. Um
there I was surprised at the number that

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came in the January and February and
March time frame cuz uh uh irrigation

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hasn't started yet but irrigation does
start up in April, May, June, July and

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August. So you see a higher number of
those complaints in the May, June and

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July time frame.
>> Leon, sorry. Are those are those more

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recent Chris?
I believe that's the entire this is the

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entire fouryear period.
>> Okay. So So we don't have the data here

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to say those January, February, March if
they're newer or older.

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» Yeah, we do. All of the documentation
that supports these numbers are in this

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packet.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah, I tried to I got this this morning
[clears throat] and tried to put this

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together today. So
um we also have pressure logs. So in

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2026, we got the pressure loggers. Um
those pressure loggers, whenever we get

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a complaint, we put them next to a fire
hydrant next to the complaint so we can

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see what the pressure is doing uh in
that area. Um there is a base pressure

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uh reading of 13 PSI. So you have to
subtract the 13 from every pressure

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reading as you go through. These in demo
[clears throat] are net. So, I've

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already subtracted the 13 PSI.
On page one, we had a pressure reading

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on March 6th. Um, pointing out that we
only did one day testing because of

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freezing concerns. If it freezes
overnight, it will ruin our machine. Um,

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the lowest red pressure was 71 PSI
during that time frame. On page two,

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there's a Thisman and Railway on March
6. Same reasoning why it was in hunger.

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Uh the lowest pressure reading was 41
PSI during this time frame. On page

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three is trestle and Voyager. Um the
lowest pressure reading on that on April

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14th to 15th was 67 PSI during the time
frame. On Brookshshire and Railway April

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22nd to 20 21st to 22nd the lowest
reading was 40 PSI during the time

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frame. on Trestle and Voyager from April
21st to 22nd the lowest reading was 54

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PSI.
on thyman and railway on May 20th to

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21st. The lowest reading was 34 PSI
during this time frame. The length of

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the time that it was below 40 PSI was
approximately sorry that zoomed it out

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24 minutes.
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Thyman and Railway on May 22nd to May
26, the lowest region was 37 PSI. The

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length of time it was below 40 PSI is
approximately 2 hours from 3:30 a.m. to

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5:30 a.m. On Simmons Street on June 16th
through June 17th, the lowest reading

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was 43 PSI. And on Farley Way, July 23rd
through July 24th, we had the lowest

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reading was 20 PSI during this time
frame. Um, and it was approximately 3

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hours from 4:15 to 7:15 a.m.
Um, we also have in the data in this

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memo, uh, questions about well pressure.
So, in the sheets that we have, uh,

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which I can pull up if needed, we have
three wells reported on here. Red,

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yellow, and white represent those three
wells. The lowest well pressure was

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approximately 40 PSI on
August 10th at 440 to 4 uh 530 at one

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well. The other low well pressure was on
the same well and that was approximately

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45 PSI on August 11th from 440 to 610 at
one well. All other wells stayed above

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50 PSI pressure from August 9th through
August 11th. Our storage measurements at

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our water tower on Rather Mountain,
we saw a decrease of six feet

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approximately between 3:40 p.m. and 8:40
p.m. on the 9th and the 10th. We saw a

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decrease of 16 ft from 2:45 to 7:00 a.m.
on the 10th. And we saw a storage

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decrease of 15 ft decrease from 2:45 to
7 a.m. on the 11th. Every time there was

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a decrease, there was a recovery period
to fill up the storage each day. The

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lowest level was 14 ft of storage
capacity. The maximum capacity is 34 ft.

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I want to point out that each time that
it decreased, it reinccreased back to

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the 34 ft before it decreased again.
Corbin Crossing has a booster pack to

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help with pressure. So, in that booster
pack report, we saw a decrease of

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pressure, which is the green line on
that report, approximately 50 PSI August

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11th from 4:00 a.m. to 7:30 a.m. During
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um, the volume of water pushed through
that pack increased at August 10th at

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8:00 p.m. and again on August 11th at
4:00 a.m. to 7:30 p.m. Uh all of the

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documentation supporting those numbers
is included in the packet. Uh graphs,

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measurements, work orders, emails, um
are included in that packet. Um one of

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the things that we also noticed, uh
Chris and I both drove around the city

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between 4:30 a.m. and 7:30 a.m. On
Friday, Chris did it, and on Monday, I

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did it. The one of the things that I
noticed during this time frame, and

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you'll see also it corresponds with the
times that are listed here, is

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[clears throat] that between um 4:30 and
7:00, a majority of rather waters their

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yards. This is a major diversion of
water at a a very short time frame

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within our city. Um, so we have a lot of
irrigation issues. As a point of

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consideration,
as driving, both Chris and I noticed

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that on the corner of Majestic Avenue
and Maya Road at 4:30 in the morning,

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there was a puddle that went across the
road from the island all the way to the

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swell that covered the entire road.
We're not talking about wet road. We're

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talking about at least an inch of water
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which brings us to look at other things.
We took a look at our water usage for

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the city. Um, in June,
we noticed that we had, and I'll zoom in

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on this,

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we had our top 10 water users.
Uh the Birkshshire HOA in June was our

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highest user at 4,799,000

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uh gallons watering 9.5 acres of common
space. That's approximately 505,000

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gallons per acre.
Um the conservation method is 1 in of

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water per week per acre for the month.
If you were to put that in to

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Brookshshire's acreage, you would use
1,31,000

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gallons.
Uh, so that number is there for all of

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these others as well. The Golden Spikes
Estates, this is just their irrigation

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line. They used 5.8.
Sorry, that numbers I did not sort these

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numbers very well. That's a higher use
in the Brook Golden Spikes than the

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Brookshshire.
Um the Westwood Property Owners, which

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is the homeowners association on the
corner of Majestic and Meyer, they also

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do uh green space along the road as
well. So they have 3 meters. Those three

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meters totaled uh 2.2 million gallons of
water. The splash pad in June was 2.4

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million gallons. [clears throat]
That's for the kids. They press the

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button, the water turns on. Stubmer Park
was 1.8 million. Betty Kefir was

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800,000. Shepherd of the Hills was
800,000. North Idaho College was 700.

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Gutney Electric was seven. And a Vista
irrigation was 689.

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Each one of those on the far end shows
what they would use if they had a 1 in

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of water per week, per acre for the
month. Um, and that shows you who's

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conserving and who's not conserving
water in their irrigation processes.

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Um, it's also important to notice that
there is no substantial benefit to

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watering your yard more than 10 minutes
per station.

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The reason for that is because our land
is very porous. When we did a water well

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test for Okay. Well, we were required to
dig a pit and put water in the pit and

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we had to see how long it would take to
drop back into the ground. That pit

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never filled
at four 3,000 gallons per minute. Chris,

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3,000 gallons per minute into that pit
and it never filled.

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Um
also have a map of where those water

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users are
um in the top 10 for June. In July, the

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Brookshshire HOA used 5.7 million
gallons. The Golden Spikes Estates

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used 4 million gallons. The Splash Pad
used 2.2 million gallons. The Westwood

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Property Owners Association use 1.7,
Betty Kefir 1.7, North Idaho College

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1.5, StubMer 1.2, Coupney Electric 1
million, Shepard of the Hills 900, and

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Keech at 873.
Um, the reason why we brought this up is

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as we drove around town, we noticed that
there was a lot of water running in the

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streets, down the sidewalks. Swells were
filled and not being absorbed into the

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ground.
uh obvious that where there is

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overwatering within our system. They
also correspond to the pressure times

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that we have loss of pressure um in the
data that is presented in the packet

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that I put together for you. Um
basically what we're seeing as far as

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evidence here is that our problem is
specific to the time frame when people

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water their lawns, not specific to the
development of houses. If we were to do

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some sort of conservation effort or
something to that effect and try to

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provide education to the public that
would do more benefit for the pressure

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of the city than doing a moratorum on
growth. Our moratorum also requires us

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to look at things that we can do to try
to uh fix the problem before actually

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doing a moratorum. And we have to state
what we did try and if we didn't try

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anything, why we didn't try anything.
Why would it not work? Okay. We also

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have uh
information from our city engineer and

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our public works director that have said
that we needed to do a water storage

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facility to help with pressure uh
alleviation.

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Now that pressure uh that water tower
[clears throat] we do have a possibility

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possibility of land that we can build
that water tower on. We have 100% of the

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dollars to build it to put water lines
in and to make it a functional piece of

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our infrastructure. We have collected
those dollars from every commercial and

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residential building permit for the last
10 plus years. Um that's why we have the

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money available to do that project. uh
planning and preparation. In the 10

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years that I've been here, Kevin has
always said we're going to need another

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water storage facility. The question is
is where? Where can we get it? We don't

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own land for it. So, we need to either
get land in an agreement with a property

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owner or we need to get land through an
annexation or we need to buy land, one

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of the three. And so, now we have an
opportunity for that as well. before you

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on this old business item is to talk
about findings. Um

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Emily has put together a council
moratorum findings worksheet if the

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council decides that they have findings.
I would recommend there are um

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essentially 11 different things that
have to be filled out on this council

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worksheet. If the council determines
that there is findings for eminent peril

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and that then I would highly suggest
taking a workshop time within the next

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week to fill this out and get it
prepared. It would not delay a public

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hearing or an ordinance in front of the
city council because we do not have time

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uh to have a 15-day notice prior to the
next council meeting. And taking a a day

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within the next week to do a workshop to
fill this out will only help us to get

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an ordinance ready to go to be submitted
for a public hearing on the first

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council meeting of September. The other
item that is before you today is if you

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don't
uh find findings of imminent peril. Then

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we do have an action item in new
business, the consideration of a

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resolution acknowledging preliminary
water concerns and directing staff. That

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resolution is in front of the council
today as well. So that there is

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something that can be done today. Uh it
does list things in that resolution that

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the city staff has already done and is
continuing to do as well as other items

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which we'll get to in when we come to
the resolution part. However, I would

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strongly recommend the council to
consider this. If you find that there is

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imminent peril, then I recommend that
you do not address the resolution

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because it would only weaken the
standings for imminent peril uh for your

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moratorum.
With that, I'll stand for any questions

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and uh other than that, then we'll allow
the council to deliberate on their

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decision.

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And and maybe I missed it in the the
packet [clears throat] that we received

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today. Did we did we hear back from the
fire department on the potential issues

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that they were having with the hydrant
by Dashco?

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» So I did hear back from him. So here's
what I immediately after our staff

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meeting on Tuesday reached out to Tyler
Dresco. He is the fire marshal for the

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Northern Lakes Fire District.
The initial response that he told me is

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he had no clue that anyone tried to fill
up in any one of the four agencies that

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attempted uh that were there in the
fire. Um filling up anywhere locating

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sorry filling up their units anywhere
other than the location of the fire. Uh

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00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:19,760
he said that the fire dedicated and and
named a specific source for water. They

411
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:25,920
were supposed to fill up during the fire
and after the fire. They should not ever

412
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:30,720
leave a fire with an empty unit. Um, so
that's per their policies. Um, I told

413
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,800
him that there was reports that somebody
tried to fill up at Dashco and somebody

414
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:39,280
tried to fill up at Greens Fairy. He
said he would contact the other agencies

415
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:44,800
and see if there was any report of any
low pressure. Per all policies in the

416
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:50,800
fire departments, they are supposed to
report the any low water pressure within

417
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:56,320
24 hours to the fire marshall of the
jurisdiction that they filled up in. He

418
00:37:53,599 --> 00:38:02,079
received no reports back from any of the
fire agencies that helped on that fire.

419
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,599
So he has nothing to back up the
comments that you had mentioned about

420
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,960
filling up in other locations.
>> Yeah. And you know, again, all I have to

421
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:13,599
go by is what I was told by the
firefighters that were on Greens Fairy

422
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:18,720
Road. I I actually have a picture um of
them trying to fill up and and and just

423
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:22,000
for public notification,
um they told me that they couldn't fill

424
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,920
up a Dashco. There was a problem with
water pressure there. Um they moved out

425
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,599
to Greens Ferry because they knew that
the hydrants were there. Um, and I asked

426
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,680
them if they were having problems with
water pressure, at which point they

427
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:37,440
reached down and they squeezed the hose
completely together. The fire hose

428
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,960
looked like about a 4 inch hose. And
they said, "Yeah, we're having water

429
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,160
pressure issues." Now, my understanding
is based on the staff meeting, those

430
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,119
lines aren't supposed to be live.
They're not supposed to be filling up

431
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,160
there. Is that is that correct?
>> That's correct.

432
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:52,000
» Correct.
>> So, apparently we have not communicated

433
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,040
with our first responders that those are
not hydrants that they're supposed to be

434
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:58,240
using.
Well, that hasn't been accepted

435
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,520
infrastructure by the city. Period.
>> But they're there and there's no there's

436
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:06,480
no indication that they're not supposed
to be used.

437
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:09,520
» Oh, there. Yes, you're correct. There is
no indication that they're not supposed

438
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,440
to be used, but they shouldn't have been
water at that site at all. And somebody

439
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,839
has a valve turned on that shouldn't
have been turned on.

440
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:20,160
» Okay. And we've been able to track that
down at all.

441
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:24,400
» I don't
turn that. Could that be impacting the

442
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:29,119
greater system as well if we have valves
turned on that shouldn't be turned on?

443
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,760
» Not if it's not supplying water.
>> I mean, water was coming out of the

444
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:36,160
hose.
>> Yeah, there there was some residual

445
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:41,440
issues when we had the uh shut down on
the 24 in through their farms and that

446
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:45,960
may have been what was left over. It
could have been the residual from their

447
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,960
pressure testing.

448
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:52,320
And I mean my concern there as we're
discussing imminent peril is that the

449
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,839
fire department doesn't know where
they're supposed to get water.

450
00:39:53,680 --> 00:40:02,640
» No. The fire department directed all
units to get water at the station by the

451
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:06,000
fire. So they were directed basically
not to get water anywhere else.

452
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,640
» Yeah. And whoever is supplying that
water, kudos. I mean I I was up there. I

453
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,760
posted pictures of uh you know one of
our officers jumping in to help out. you

454
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,960
know, we we pulled the line from the
truck, hooked it up to the hydrant,

455
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,400
hooked the other end up to the truck,
and [clears throat] I mean, it it filled

456
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:24,320
it like that. The that line was rock
hard. I actually stepped on it to kind

457
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,920
of judge how, you know, how much
pressure was going through it. Um, so,

458
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:30,480
you know, I know that's not in the city
of Rather, but kudos to that

459
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,480
neighborhood. They've got great water
pressure.

460
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:40,960
I'm I'm more concerned about the fact
that, you know, we have a and and maybe

461
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:46,560
this is more of a fire department issue.
um and whoever the you know uh incident

462
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:51,680
commander was for that um and that we
have trucks getting water from hydrants

463
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,880
that are essentially turned off
>> and that they didn't they weren't aware

464
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,040
of that
>> and they shouldn't have been there in

465
00:40:56,319 --> 00:41:00,040
the first place.
>> No.

466
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:07,040
» Um loss of pressure times. Can you pull
up that chart, Leon?

467
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:11,119
» I'm sorry. What? You said you had a
chart that showed the the times where we

468
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:15,040
had lack of pressure where the pressure
dropped. I believe that's the the AM

469
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:21,119
times that you were referenced.
>> Yes. So, let me get past the work orders

470
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:24,680
here. Let me zoom out so that I can see
what's on the screen.

471
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,640
So these are the pressure logs. Mayor,

472
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:49,319
this one is the uh believe this is the
first one.

473
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,720
Second, I've got a lot of papers.

474
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:03,720
» Which page is that?
>> Getting there just a second. It's page

475
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:03,720
48 on the digital copy file. Uh

476
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,800
this one

477
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:12,680
» it's page two of the

478
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,839
» pressure logs.

479
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:20,960
» Is that what you're looking for? Just a
number.

480
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,104
» No, I'm looking for the chart. Just
>> I'm I'm a visual person. [clears throat]

481
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:32,480
» Here is the
the first one there up on the screen.

482
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:38,480
I've zoomed it in.
>> Notice that the low pressure point right

483
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:43,680
here is just below the 85 mark, but you
have to subtract 13 off of that, which

484
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:48,760
would put it at about 72
in there, as I stated in the

485
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:56,319
packet. As you can tell, it's hard to
read exactly where that is at. So, I

486
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,480
made an estimate. I said 70 PSI on that
page.

487
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:02,720
» All right. Sorry. Can you scroll down
just a little bit so I can see the

488
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:07,520
reference line on the x- axis?
>> Okay. So, what

489
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:10,800
and maybe this is a question for Chris.
What What are we looking at where

490
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:14,400
there's a line very low and then it goes
up? Is that

491
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,319
» And then at the end it drops again. What
What is that?

492
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,079
» That's when I take it off the fire
hydrant.

493
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,200
» Okay. Okay. So, that's when you're
putting it on and taking

494
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:25,119
» because it's calibrated in the shop and
downloaded. You have your install and

495
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:30,079
then you have when I take it off and
then go and download it.

496
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:37,680
And they'll see on that uh before it
starts it's at approximately 13 PSI down

497
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:41,200
at that bottom side. So that is the uh
subtraction

498
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:43,920
number that needs to be done on that
>> and these are in March.

499
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:51,800
» Yes.
>> Do we have any from July or August?

500
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:51,800
» Let me go to the next one.

501
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,480
» So this is also in March.

502
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:07,920
And again, the low here I'm estimating
at 41 PSI.

503
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:12,319
Trying to have it large and show you
everything at the same time. But

504
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:18,240
» yeah, I appreciate that point.
>> It comes down just below the 55.

505
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:22,280
Get a conservative estimate that that
would put it at about 41.

506
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:29,599
Okay,
the next one. This one's even harder to

507
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:34,319
read because it gets into a higher
pressure category.

508
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:43,119
So, this one runs
at about 60 70 80. So, this line along

509
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:50,319
here is 80 PSI, but you have to subtract
13 from that, which would get you to 77.

510
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:54,560
» Or is that right? 80
>> 67

511
00:44:51,440 --> 00:45:00,720
» I said 67. Yeah, that's right. That's 13
minus or 80 - 13. Apologize,

512
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:07,119
but it stayed that consistent pressure.
That's on trestle and Voyager.

513
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:09,440
Uh that was in April on the 14th.
>> Okay. And that's that's at the hydrant.

514
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:14,560
» Mhm.
>> Okay.

515
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:20,400
» This is [clears throat] a
pressure reading. Let me scroll down

516
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,400
here a little bit. Oops. Oops.

517
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:33,280
This is a Brookshshire and Railway.
Your lowest point on this graph is right

518
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:40,960
here at the very beginning of the
readings. This was over a longer period

519
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:48,160
of time. Um, from May 21 to to April
22nd, I estimated that that was at about

520
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:52,319
44 PSI.
Um, as you can tell, it kind of goes up

521
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:58,440
and down quite a bit throughout the day,
but never below the 40 PSI mark.

522
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:08,319
Okay,
the next page,

523
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:14,160
this is on Trestle and Voyager. Again,
this is in April on the 22nd.

524
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:20,079
Again, the lowest point is right about
this point right here,

525
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:26,119
which I'm estimating to be about 40 50
PSI

526
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,119
based off of reading that graph.

527
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:34,400
Here's another one.
This is on Thisman and Railway on May

528
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:39,920
21st.
The lowest point on this graph

529
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:44,480
is right here.
And that

530
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:51,920
on May 20. I'm just making sure I got
the right one. May 20th, May 21st.

531
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:58,640
Um, I'm estimating that to be at about
45 or sorry, 34 PSI during this time

532
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:04,880
frame. I also mentioned that it was at
approximately 24 minutes and that was at

533
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,319
about
3:30 in the morning,

534
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:12,839
» 4 or 5:00 in the afternoon if I'm
reading that right. maybe 4:30

535
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,160
and for a short period of time

536
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:23,160
on
May 24th

537
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:29,880
or May, sorry, this is May 22nd through
the 26th.

538
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:39,040
We have a couple low points. We have a
low point right here that would probably

539
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:44,160
put that at about 5253.
So that would be at about 40 PSI.

540
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:50,640
You have another short period of time to
the dips right here. This is at about

541
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:58,640
5253 there. So you subtract it be about
39 30 or 40. And then you have another

542
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:03,920
period of time right here that uh shows
a drop at

543
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:11,440
where I'm estimating is the low spot and
that be about 37 PSI.

544
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:16,720
And if I calculated this right, which I
may be, may not be. I'm looking at the

545
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:23,119
right one.
roughly between 3:30, it's either sorry,

546
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:30,480
3:30 a.m. or 3:30 p.m. I'm looking at
the data here. It's probably 3:30 p.m.

547
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:34,359
Um, for a period of what I've estimated
to be about 2 hours.

548
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,359
Um,
this one

549
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:51,359
is on Simmons
on June 16th

550
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:57,079
through the 17th. The lowest reading at
this particular point is about 43 PSI.

551
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:08,960
And then the big one is this one.
This was on July

552
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:13,119
uh 23rd through the 24th.
And this one has a big dip in the

553
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:18,800
pressure. And that big dip in the
pressure

554
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:25,680
was for 3 hours from approximately 4:15
a.m. to 7:15 a.m.

555
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,960
Again, that one's in a watering time
frame.

556
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:35,520
» Yeah. What was your estimated reading
there? Uh, estimated reading at the

557
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:40,160
lowest point was uh
>> 40 PSI.

558
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:45,839
» No,
>> 20 PSI, I think.

559
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:52,040
» Oh, yeah. 20 PSI. Sorry, I said it was
below 40 or 3 hours.

560
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,160
But the lowest was this point at 20 PSI.

561
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:06,880
So at the level where we are required to
notify

562
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:09,839
authorities. Correct.
>> If we get below that. Yes.

563
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,920
» If it goes below. Okay. It's it's
greater than or equal 220 then.

564
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:14,920
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

565
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:23,119
» Uh again we're seeing it during
irrigation times for the most part.

566
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:28,160
There's other dips in other times of the
day. But some of the things that staff

567
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:32,480
has looked at is conservation. Uh the
Hayden, Cord Lane, Post Falls all have

568
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:35,680
watering days. Depending upon what side
of the street that you're on, we would

569
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:42,319
be the only ones that would ever do
that. Um Spokane's done it as well.

570
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:46,400
» And I believe our code has specifics as
well um that dictate what would happen

571
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,599
in a water emergency in terms of days of
the week and hub and water. [snorts] I

572
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:53,920
believe it's residential and commercial
is how it's split. Right, Chris? This

573
00:50:51,359 --> 00:51:00,240
isn't deemed a water emergency, but it
could be education on conservation.

574
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:05,520
So, we could do the first step on that.
Now, um the other thing that we noticed

575
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:14,240
over the course of last year versus this
year is last year we did a tiered system

576
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:19,839
with water pricing at 67 cents per or 69
cents per thousand gallons for the first

577
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:25,200
20,000 gallons and then it went up to
$1.40. 40 when those first started

578
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:30,640
hitting the actual bills because we
notified the public in March, April, and

579
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:37,280
May of those price increases. When the
bills actually hit, we immediately saw a

580
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:45,200
reduction of 500,000 gallons of water
used per day for the months of July and

581
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:49,760
August from what our normal was. So that
helped us to have some sort of water

582
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:55,280
conservation. The other thing is
providing education on how much water.

583
00:51:52,079 --> 00:52:02,000
Now I can understand that, you know,
something goes brown. It could be a

584
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:07,440
number of things, not necessarily just
water issues. Um because if you water

585
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:12,160
longer, like I said, 10 minutes, that
water drains faster than it can get to

586
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:17,359
the grass. And so there could be other
things like how much top soil is there?

587
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:22,160
Is there rock underneath the inch or two
of top soil that's heating up and

588
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:26,800
burning the grass? Water's not going to
solve that problem. There are other

589
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:31,440
issues that you could look at, too. In
my yard, for example, I tried to be

590
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:36,960
conservative with my water. My my
reading was 17,000 gallons. I have one

591
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:41,119
area of my yard that's green and another
area of my yard that goes from brown to

592
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:44,960
green.
The green spot is next to my neighbor

593
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:49,760
where you could tell that my neighbor
waters more than I do and my my yard

594
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:57,760
benefits from that in a certain part of
my yard. Okay. Um so therefore there's

595
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:07,520
several different ways to address how
green your yard is. Um but the uh

596
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:14,720
um what we're seeing is irrigation
related. We're seeing seasonal as in

597
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:21,599
summertime more than anything else. Um,
and we are not seeing corresponding dips

598
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:26,400
based off of the number of building
permits that are issued or the number of

599
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:32,960
certificate certificates of occupancy
that are issued. So maybe maybe Chris

600
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:38,559
and Kevin can help me understand um if
if we

601
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:41,982
are at a low point of 20 PSI and let's
say the worst possible happens and we

602
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,440
get a fire in Ratham. Rick
[clears throat] Pine shared some pretty

603
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:51,200
concerning photos about some school
district property. Um you know that very

604
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:54,800
likely could catch fire. Um so so if
that happens and we're at 20 PSI and

605
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,800
they crank open the hydrants, what
happens?

606
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:08,160
based off of fire.
>> Well, basically um this meter or this

607
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:12,240
reading was taken from the exact same uh
hydrant that we flowed for the master

608
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:17,520
plan for JUB
>> and at that point um granted it was a

609
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:22,480
little bit higher but um it was able to
recover and keep pumping.

610
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:24,800
» When when was that reading taken?
>> This reading? No, the reading that

611
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:30,680
you're talking about for
>> JUB

612
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,680
last year

613
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:37,720
in September.
>> Oh, September.

614
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,720
» Okay. So, after peak season,

615
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:45,040
» July, fire testing was July, August.
Pressure testing was September. So I I

616
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,599
mean I think one of the biggest problems
that I have, you know, when we're

617
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:50,800
talking about looking at the evidence
and looking at the numbers and things

618
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:54,319
like that is that we're kind of doing a
little bit of apples to oranges

619
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:59,359
comparison, right? We're we're looking
at evidence here that's showing that it

620
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:02,240
drops to 20 PSI. And you know, we've
we've talked about this at past meetings

621
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,599
where you have to kind of plan for the
worst, hope for the best. JUB said the

622
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:10,800
same thing, right? Well, what happens if
your pumps go offline and you're only

623
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:17,119
operating on one, right? Um I if it is
worst case scenario and it's July

624
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:22,000
24th
and we have a fire, what happens to our

625
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:25,680
water pressure?
>> I don't think I can speak intelligently

626
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:30,640
to that without seeing the hydraulic
modeling from the the plant

627
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,760
» and and we've never had a hydraulic
model done in the past. Is that do I

628
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:37,000
understand that correctly as well?
>> That's correct.

629
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:44,640
The other concern though in addressing
this as far as an imminent peril is

630
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:49,359
continuous.
What you're seeing is obviously yes

631
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:55,520
there is a drop in the pressure. The
question is is it continuous? looking at

632
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:58,880
this graph as the only evidence
then I would say that it's not

633
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:07,280
continuous
>> for a a short period of time over the

634
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:12,160
period of uh 2 and 1/2 3 days
and the pressure stays up during those

635
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:17,440
other times even during a morning time
frame that would match this exact same

636
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:19,760
situation on a previous day in this in
this graph.

637
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:22,960
» Yeah. And if I'm if I'm not mistaken,
the city attorney basically said the

638
00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:26,240
definition there would be her ability to
argue what is continuous and what is

639
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:30,720
not.
>> That that that graph um from a

640
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:36,640
statistical perspective shows a
continuous drop in water pressure.

641
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:40,880
» The length of that continuity is in
question, but it is continuous by

642
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:45,040
definition. Right? So so now we're
talking about well what is the length?

643
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:50,400
How how long does it have to be low for
it to be continuous? And is an emergency

644
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:56,559
going to wait for our water pressure to
come back up, for the t for the tank on

645
00:56:52,799 --> 00:57:00,160
the mountain to refill, for all of the
stars to align, for us to be able to

646
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:04,960
fight a what could be a catastrophic
fire? And we almost had one on the

647
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:08,480
mountain. We were very close. Thank God
for our first responders getting up

648
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:13,680
there as quickly as they did. I mean, we
even had RPD chipping in to fill up

649
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:18,720
tenders.
>> I would like to add one thing, Mr. Mayor

650
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:22,480
um for your consideration is when that
peak or when that maximum drop is the

651
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,920
reservoir is not empty.
>> Okay,

652
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:31,119
» Chris, I have a question. So, if you
crank on a fire hydrant when you got a

653
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:35,359
20 PSI reading in like a neighborhood,
is the water following the path of least

654
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,920
resistance, the larger line being the
fire hydrant?

655
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:42,559
» I would believe it would.
>> So, it's going to feed the fire hydrant

656
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,520
and not feed the residents.
>> I would Yeah. The laws of hydraulics

657
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,160
would tell me yes.
>> Well, I think it would depend on where

658
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,319
it's at on the line, isn't it?
>> No. The smaller line will stop and the

659
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:56,280
bigger line
>> it'll just suck the water out of every

660
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,280
sprinklers and go. Okay.

661
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:02,559
» At 20 PSI.
>> 20 PSI.

662
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:06,079
» Well, no, because it would be sucking
all the residence will be turned off at

663
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,799
that.
>> And that's that's what the hydraulic

664
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,559
model will show, right? I mean, that's
that's the hope.

665
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:15,559
» Yeah.
>> With a 90% accuracy. Right.

666
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,240
Um,

667
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:31,119
Leon, what's that one inch of water per
week based on? So, if you go off of uh

668
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:36,319
and do a Google thing and ask for one
inch of water, that's uh Chris has put

669
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:40,559
out stuff in our website as well as
Kevin that says the appropriate amount

670
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:46,160
of water for water conservation is
approximately one inch of water per week

671
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:51,680
per acre. And then so if you type that
into Google, it will tell you how much

672
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:59,480
that is. And then that's what I put into
the uh the formula for those top 10

673
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:59,480
water users.

674
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:09,200
And we had when I did a drive by just in
some of the things that I saw that was

675
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:15,520
interesting was there was a business off
of Bagel Road that when I drove by it

676
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:21,119
was watering one zone. When I drove by
again 30 minutes later it was still

677
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:26,079
watering that same zone. And again, with
our water, with our soil content,

678
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:30,640
watering any more than about 10 minutes
is just wasting the water. It's not

679
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:33,839
going to feed your grass any better than
10 minutes of water per person.

680
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,400
» Yeah. And I know it's been previously
mentioned, you know, as we've been

681
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:41,599
discussing water pressure and things
like that. And, you know, the fact that

682
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:44,960
again, this chart uh illustrates, you
know, during the morning typically

683
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:49,280
everybody's watering their lawns. for
most homeowners, they don't ever touch

684
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:53,280
their sprinkler settings, right? It's
it's whatever it's set at. Have we

685
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:57,920
worked with
uh builders in the area to maybe start

686
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,240
implementing some, hey, maybe you guys
should start sending some of these to

687
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,160
the evenings?
>> No, we have not done anything like that.

688
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,359
That's one of the things that we could
add to the resolution of things that we

689
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:12,319
need to get done.
>> And and do we know why from an

690
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:16,000
agricultural perspective the default is
to water in the morning?

691
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:21,200
I don't know the answer to that
>> because that's not what they default at

692
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:24,799
» that. It has to be set that way.
>> I was gonna say Eric might be able to

693
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:28,960
speak to that. He's probably more not to
throw you out in the bus. Quite

694
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:31,920
honestly, there's people that water in
the morning and people that water in the

695
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:35,040
evening.
>> Yeah. I water in the evening.

696
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:40,240
» Yeah.
Both.

697
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:45,200
And since I only water for about I water
on one zone for four minutes and the

698
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:49,520
other zone for six minutes. Uh I water
in the morning and I water at night.

699
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:54,799
But the one of the things that we could
do as far as education for the public is

700
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:58,880
to set your meter your irrigation at
times that aren't going to be times that

701
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:05,680
are people getting getting up. So if you
water say 10 o'clock at night, 8 o'clock

702
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:10,960
at night uh and avoid the uh 4:30 to
7:30 time frame and then spread out more

703
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:18,640
more throughout either the early
mornings of the hours or in the evening

704
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:23,680
times, then you're not competing with
getting up and showering and fixing

705
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:29,599
breakfast with all the irrigation water.
We obviously see that we have a major

706
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:33,920
demand on our water during the early
morning hours when everybody's getting

707
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:38,640
up and taking showers and getting ready
for work and doing things. We also have

708
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:44,160
a demand for irrigation during that time
frame. So again, educating the public on

709
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:51,119
trying to get their meat their
irrigation swapped to other times, say

710
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:57,680
between 8:00 at night and and 4:00 in
the morning and and doing that. Even the

711
01:01:54,079 --> 01:02:01,440
idea of alternating your water um a
little bit in the morning and a little

712
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:06,000
bit at night would also help because
when I went through the Corbin crossing

713
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:11,599
subdivision, you could tell that more I
would say between 75% and 90% of the

714
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:15,680
residents were watering between 5:30 and
6:30 in the morning. That's the same

715
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:18,559
type that people getting up and getting
ready for work and trying to get ready

716
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,720
to work.
>> Living in Corbin Crossings, I can tell

717
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:26,240
you yes, that is a fact. I cannot water
my lawn and take a shower in the

718
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:31,599
morning. That's why I water my lawn in
the evening and take a

719
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:35,280
mediocre water pressure shower in the
morning.

720
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:40,799
Yeah. And you you live in an area that's
got a booster pump. And in this data,

721
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:46,640
you'll see that in those early mornings,
uh, that booster pump shows that it is

722
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:51,533
working at pretty close to peak capacity
in those early morning hours. And it's

723
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:56,319
pumping more volume of water
[clears throat] to the citizens in that

724
01:02:53,440 --> 01:03:00,359
subdivision during that time than any
other time throughout the day.

725
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:07,079
Matter of fact, let me
>> pop down.

726
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:17,200
So, this is that booster pack graph. I'm
going to try to put this in here.

727
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:23,200
There's two graphs, one that talks
pressure and one that talks uh uh

728
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:31,440
volume, but I want to show you the red
is your volume. Okay, you have a peak at

729
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:38,000
volume at about 8:00 at night and you
have a peak of volume for a very long

730
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:41,920
period of time between about 4 a.m. and
7 a.m. That's your peak volume in that

731
01:03:41,314 --> 01:03:46,000
[clears throat]
particular subdivision. It's the only

732
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:48,559
subdivision that has pressure pumps.
>> Okay.

733
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:53,119
» And and why does that sub why is that
the case? because there was low pressure

734
01:03:50,799 --> 01:04:00,880
problems and that's where the uh
Majestic Park water tower was built to

735
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:06,640
handle only that subdivision. And then
it was better efficiency to put booster

736
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:13,359
packs in that well that serves that
subdivision than it was to continue

737
01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:18,559
using a 50,000galon water tank.
So the pressure, you'll see a small drop

738
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:23,119
in the pressure here. And I'm going to
try to do this so you can see that small

739
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:28,319
dip in the pressure does not need to
subtract 13 psi because this is not the

740
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:33,760
same situation as those pressure
lockers. But at this low peak of time

741
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:40,640
right here, which is about noon time
frame, is at about 50 between 56 and 75

742
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:45,119
PSI. It's hard to guesstimate where
that's at right there.

743
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:53,200
The other time that that pressure drops
is between the 4:00 a.m. and 7 a.m. for

744
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:58,319
that system. And that's because you see
the peak of the water needs is in that

745
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:03,680
same time frame. Again, again pointing
to irrigation, not necessarily pointing

746
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:11,039
to growth within that subdivision. This
is a sole subdivision looking at it in a

747
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:15,760
smaller view than the entire city. Um,
but it represents what we see in the

748
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:20,720
entire city because a lot of people
water between the 4 and 7:00 hour.

749
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:24,720
Everybody wants to get up and get ready
for work at that same hour when kids go

750
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:31,039
to school. That's what time they're
getting ready to go to school. So, we're

751
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:36,559
seeing those the pressure drop and the
peak of water supply in that time frame

752
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:44,799
is the biggest and most drastic time
frame there. Even the pressure at 8:00

753
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:49,119
um is staying pretty constant when the
volume is increasing seeing at 8:00. I

754
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:54,880
know it's tough to read with the other
white lines and the pink lines that are

755
01:05:51,280 --> 01:06:00,000
there, but uh you're seeing a high peak
in volume at about 8:00 at night. It's

756
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:04,960
for a short period of time,
but the pressure stays.

757
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:10,520
You see the pressure drop and the volume
increased drastically in the morning

758
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,520
time frame.

759
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:23,520
» Mr. Mayor,
>> yeah. Um,

760
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:27,839
rather Chris, when it dropped to that 20
PSI, did we investigate why?

761
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:32,000
» We're currently investigating that.
That's that's really what started the

762
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:37,920
conser the conversation about the
conservation. Sorry if I mix that up.

763
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:41,440
But what we saw um as you go forward
once you break into the irrigation

764
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:44,720
system you know we always had that drop
and you know we had two different we

765
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:48,400
have two different scenarios. You have
one in the winter when the reservoir is

766
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:52,480
completely full and the well shuts off
and you're waiting for the hydraulics to

767
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:55,920
change and then in the middle you can
kind of see both and then the irrigation

768
01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:02,240
started happening and then we started
seeing that gap white. So the first

769
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:06,799
thing we went um we went and did is we
triple checked all the valves that were

770
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:12,160
in that area and then we started looking
at larger water users that may be on the

771
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:16,160
way into Brookshshire. Um, we're still
looking into that. And I know, uh, one

772
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:20,559
thing that just recently happened is
they just tied another line across Red

773
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:24,640
Cliff. So, we'll be monitoring the SCADA
and I'll probably put that same one out

774
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:30,000
again just to see if that changes
anything.

775
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:34,720
Mr. Mayor, another item that we prepared
is this map. I know it's hard to read.

776
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:41,200
These are residential and commercial
lots. Basically kind of give you an idea

777
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:45,920
of how much water these are. These do
not include irrigation

778
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:53,039
because irrigation doesn't have an
address specifically for it. The address

779
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:57,839
is, you know, the business or some other
third party group. So, in this, and I'm

780
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:04,079
going to zoom in even though you can't
see the the whole thing, but I'm just

781
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:08,480
going to straight zoom in here.
So, if there is a green dot on a

782
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:13,839
resident, that means that that green
dot, that resident is using less than

783
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:19,199
20,000 gallons of water per month. This
was taken off of the June usage because

784
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:24,960
we've had that for a little bit longer.
The July usage didn't come in and get

785
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:32,319
completed until August 6th. We really
didn't have time to work with that. The

786
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:40,000
orange dot is um between
20 and 50,000 gallons.

787
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:44,159
Uh the yellow dot is over 50,000 to
100,000.

788
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:49,199
And then the red dots are over a
100,000. And there were a few users that

789
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:54,080
used way more than that. So we kind of
put them into that bigger bigger

790
01:08:50,799 --> 01:09:01,920
category. Uh but it goes to show a
little bit about the water usage. Um

791
01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:07,279
there are a few users that use a lot of
water.

792
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:12,239
Um and there are those that are very
conservative in their water use and stay

793
01:09:09,759 --> 01:09:17,600
below the 20,000 gallons. And then
there's everybody in between.

794
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:24,799
Uh trying to get more data to see where
this is at. Um the big thing we had one

795
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:28,719
user who actually sat on council uh that
when we were doing this we had a

796
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:35,199
conversation as council when we did the
tier water system uh last year in March

797
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:40,719
and that would be in 25 we started
talking about that and the realization

798
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:45,839
that they were using 100,000 gallons of
water a month to water their yard was a

799
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:50,880
surprise to them because our water
prices were so cheap. it didn't really

800
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:58,159
make a big deal difference if they were
using, you know, 10,000 or 100,000

801
01:09:53,920 --> 01:10:05,120
gallons. Uh when we changed that, uh it
did change a lot of people and how much

802
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:09,679
water they use. Uh in this particular,
uh

803
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:16,000
graphic, that same individual, I looked
at their home, they're now using between

804
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:21,920
20 and 50,000 gallons.
So sometimes providing education

805
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:29,600
» helps to do that. Now there are other
times where education does not help but

806
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:34,080
maybe another tier of water pricing say
you change the tiers then you make it a

807
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:38,640
little bit more expensive if you're in
the higher area again creating the other

808
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:43,760
effect that we saw last year where
there's reduction of water. So there's

809
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:49,120
education and then there's also a cost
item to get up in the morning for staff

810
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:54,719
and try to monitor who's got their water
on and who doesn't is we do not have the

811
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:58,800
staff power to be up at 4:00 in the
morning to monitor whether or not people

812
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:02,159
are following conservation efforts.
>> But we do have

813
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:05,840
» but we do have the ability to measure
how much water goes through their

814
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:10,800
» Yeah. Thank you.
And the reality is is today you can take

815
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:16,640
just about [clears throat] any one of
our wells and in the wintertime in

816
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:21,600
December one well will service the needs
for health and safety of our citizens

817
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:29,520
for the entire month you know for the
entire month of December or January.

818
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:35,120
We do not have a need for five wells
until we get to the irrigation system.

819
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:40,239
And so is it right for the citizens that
are conservative on their water to pay

820
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:45,040
the same rate as what it is for the
citizens that use extra water? And

821
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:51,280
that's why we put in the tier system
because the more water you use, the more

822
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:54,480
infrastructure we need.
>> Can you scroll down to Birkshshire in

823
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,480
this?
>> Sure.

824
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:07,440
» Go ahead. point my house.
>> Um, no, I think really what I'm pointing

825
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:10,239
out is the fact that there are less of
those big water users in [clears throat]

826
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:15,040
the Brookshshire neighborhood. Now, I
don't know if that's because of the

827
01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:19,520
water issue that they're having with
with pressure or or if it's just

828
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:24,640
generally because they're better
custodians of their water.

829
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:29,840
» Well, you could say that uh for a lot of
them, we still have the same few houses

830
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:34,719
that are using less than 20,000.
We still have a pretty good decent

831
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:41,280
amount that's using between 20 and 50.
Uh, and we still have a few a few of the

832
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:45,440
water users between 50 and 100 and then
a couple of them that are above the

833
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:50,960
100,000 gallons.
I'm not trying to single out any single

834
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:55,040
subdivision or any single individual.
What I'm trying to point out is that

835
01:12:53,120 --> 01:13:00,239
there are
definite ways to look at conservation

836
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:04,719
across the board. It's not one
subdivision over another. There are high

837
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:08,640
users that I think should be cutting
back on their water. They should be

838
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,760
looking at other ways to keep their
grass green other than just water being

839
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,600
the sole reason.
>> Yeah. But I think what you are doing is

840
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:22,080
you're trying to draw a correlation
between good custodianship of water and

841
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:26,719
water pressure, right? And
>> from what I can see just anecdotally on

842
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:30,320
the graph, one of the biggest areas that
has problems with water pressure seems

843
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:32,239
to be one of the better areas with being
custodians of their water.

844
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:34,800
» Wow.
>> Because I don't see a lot of big red

845
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:38,719
dots in that.
>> You don't see a lot of big red dots, but

846
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:43,120
you do see just as many orange dots as
you see everywhere else.

847
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:47,679
» There's not a huge number of red dots
throughout the entire city,

848
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:51,120
» but there is a good average of orange
and yellow dots through the whole city.

849
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:55,679
It doesn't matter what subdivision
you're in. You've got them all over the

850
01:13:53,600 --> 01:14:01,199
place. And the reason why I'm bringing
this up, mayor, is because our issue is

851
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:04,880
is really in the irrigation time frames
when we're irrigating.

852
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:12,080
And that's what's causing the low
pressure. It's the irrigation use of

853
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:16,480
water. Um, I have areas in my yard that
are brown. I know I need to add more top

854
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:20,400
soil because it's right next to the
cement and that cement heats up and it's

855
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,760
going to burn the grass. It doesn't
matter how much water you put on it,

856
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:30,159
it's going to burn up the grass next to
that. So, you add more top soil and add

857
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:35,040
seed on it cuz it's dead. And maybe I
can get the grass to grow because

858
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:41,199
there'll be more distance to uh isolate
that heat from burning the the

859
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:47,360
grassroots.
Okay. So, everyone, including myself,

860
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:53,520
has work to do in improving it. It's the
easy solution is water, right? Add more

861
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:58,320
water. Add more water. It'll get green
someday, but it won't. I mean, I've been

862
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:00,640
to Brookshshire. I drove down railway.
There's brown all over the place, isn't

863
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:07,199
there?
>> Yes. Can I respond to that?

864
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:14,000
» Yeah, go for it. Uh Brookshshire has the
biggest green space in any of the

865
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:19,280
developments. Okay? And I've asked the
city to stop making us water that. But

866
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:24,400
they say, "Nope, you got to water it.
You got to have trees in there." And if

867
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:29,280
the developers keep putting in green
spaces, we're just wasting water. We

868
01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:35,600
don't need the grass.
>> But 20 ft wide. If you're looking at how

869
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:41,280
much water is being used there on a per
acre level, you're using more water than

870
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:44,800
any of the others on a per acre level.
Not

871
01:15:41,679 --> 01:15:49,760
» Leon, I agree. Let me cut my water
sprinklers off to the commons. Mayor,

872
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:54,000
let me do that and I'll let it go and
then you'll see

873
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:56,159
» 500,000
going down.

874
01:15:54,480 --> 01:16:00,320
» There's other solutions to keep it
green.

875
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:09,440
» Can I make a quick comment here?
I had a black pillar of bricks

876
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:15,120
and next to it, right next to the black
pillar of bricks, that lawn always turns

877
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:20,239
brown or yellow.
>> It gets the same amount of water as

878
01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:26,080
everywhere else. But the color of the
brick absorbs the heat and radiates it

879
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:28,640
out directly to that grass.
>> Y

880
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:33,640
» has nothing to do with how much water.
All right, we're going to we're going to

881
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,640
take a fivem minute recess.

882
01:16:41,427 --> 01:16:43,448
[clears throat]

883
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:53,120
» Why? Because the city requires us to the
city requires us to have maintained

884
01:16:49,520 --> 01:17:00,159
trees and maintain grass. And that's the
that comes back to the developer.

885
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:05,440
So made Joe
saying, "Oh, we'll make it pretty."

886
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:09,600
» So, Rick Rick, so I can I can I can I
can answer part of that, right? So, one

887
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:14,880
of the biggest things that the people in
Ratham have complained about is the

888
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:18,880
density of the neighborhoods. And from a
city planning perspective, one of the

889
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:23,920
ways to change the perception of density
is to include more green space.

890
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:29,280
» Absolutely. Put don't put Brookshshire
up there on the [laughter] on the

891
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:31,840
» I was putting you up there as an example
of a good example.

892
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,440
» No, I'm talking about Leon.
>> Good example.

893
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:36,560
» I'm talking about Leon.
>> Because there's so much green space.

894
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:41,600
» Exactly.
>> Yeah. I have 9 and 12 acres and that's a

895
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:48,080
whole subdivision. And if you break that
down, 3 something of it is commons.

896
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:53,600
» Do you do you have your commons set to
only water for 10 minutes? No, we do not

897
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:58,080
because that's what the developer did.
>> Yeah. So, can we set it to 10 minutes

898
01:17:55,040 --> 01:18:02,640
and see how it goes?
>> We probably could, but why should

899
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:07,679
Brookshshire be
>> and I have made that point before. Why

900
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,440
should I be limited on how much I water
my

901
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:14,159
» lawn?
So, that my that was going to be my

902
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:20,320
question. Is the HOA being built because
they have to keep a green space

903
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:24,480
» at the higher rate because we're using
over 1,000 gallons.

904
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:28,960
» System
>> then that should that shouldn't be that

905
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:33,360
should not be because that's mandated by
the city.

906
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:35,280
» So the city should be way.
>> Yes.

907
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:40,560
» And I have a meter I have a pressure
gauge on my house between 4 and 5 a.m. I

908
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:43,440
measure 5 psi.
>> Yes. I mean, we're

909
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:47,360
» 5 PSI of
>> saying it, too.

910
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:50,679
» It's all We're all using.
>> Look at Brookshshire.

911
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,679
» Yeah,
>> we have two red dots.

912
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:59,840
» There are other options than just
watering your lawn.

913
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:02,480
» I fertilize the hell out of my everyday.
>> What do you use for fertilizer? Out of

914
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:05,840
curiosity.
>> Sorry.

915
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:09,280
Which one?
>> I just use triple 16 on mine and it

916
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:13,440
seems to do. No, no,
>> I use it, too, because it's great for

917
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:18,880
everything else, too. But I have like
four or five different ones. And my

918
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:23,040
front yard is pristine green. And I
don't water I mean I might water a

919
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:27,520
little more than the 10 minutes, but not
not an hour. Not none like that.

920
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:33,040
» It's I think mine are set at 15 minutes.
And I have three

921
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:37,520
uh zones. My backyard, I agree with him.
I need more top soil life to fix that.

922
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:42,400
But I've gone back and fertilized the
hell out of it and it's green and I've

923
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:46,800
got my water bag now that yard. But what
frustrates me is I have 5 PSI at my

924
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:49,280
house when my wife's trying to shower to
go.

925
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:53,040
» Yeah. And that's that's my problem.
>> And I mean she's like I'm in here

926
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,840
forever trying to get the soap off of
me.

927
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:58,719
» You can't wash dishes. You can't wash
your clothes.

928
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:03,760
» Have you have you had them come out and
hook a thing up?

929
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:07,360
» I have emailed you. I have emailed you,
Chris. I have a return email saying that

930
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:13,199
they're supposed to be putting a meter
some or a pressure check to check and I

931
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:18,640
don't know where
>> I I can show you the email that I got

932
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:23,360
» cuz I'm like
>> so reply to reply. Do me a favor. Reply

933
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,960
to his email so you see me on it and I
replied to his email.

934
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,060
» Do it again.
>> Okay.

935
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:30,159
» With pictures of my 5 PSI. Now
[clears throat] granted I'll give you

936
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,560
this.
>> Every water meter has a plus minus,

937
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:37,520
right?
>> Sure. So, if I'm at five and let's say

938
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:39,679
it's a I'm off by five PSI. Okay, I got
10.

939
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:43,840
» Then you got it's not plusus.
>> Yeah, [laughter] right. Right. Right.

940
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:48,159
And
>> you know, if I could get a constant 40

941
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:54,239
PSI, I would jump up and down and and
wear a skirt for you to be honest with

942
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:58,760
you because listen, if we fix it, I'm
going to hold you to that. [laughter]

943
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,760
Okay.

944
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:08,440
We've got a minute.
>> Better hurry up.

945
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:34,840
Well, that's right. I just want to get
an idea.

946
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:48,040
Oh, literally
the whole thing is my point is

947
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:58,600
we're still going to be over that
threshold of trying to conserve water.

948
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:58,600
Even if we were doing 10 minutes,

949
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:04,480
we would still be paying out the heat.

950
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,080
And that's everything.

951
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:43,880
» When we come back, we'll go to you
first.

952
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,880
We'll work down the line like

953
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:52,719
» Yeah, you didn't tap me.
>> I know.

954
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:56,092
» I was waiting for him.
>> Yeah. [laughter] I'll go first, Larry.

955
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,112
And then
[clears throat]

956
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:13,719
we'll just wait for Mr. Serge.

957
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:22,719
» Sure.
>> Yes. Pam just told me.

958
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:28,400
» Yeah. Sorry. the
the microphone is still broken. Um I I

959
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:32,880
think I have a fix on the internet, but
I think we need a powered USB hub. I

960
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:36,400
have one at home. And
>> you were asking of the question about

961
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:40,880
why people water in the morning and in
the evening. You ever water your grass

962
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:46,239
during the day? It evaporates before it
gets on there. Larry knows that. But

963
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:49,760
it's so the default setting that most
most horiculturists are going to

964
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:53,560
» between 4 and six is better to water in
the morning.

965
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:53,560
» Yeah, absolutely.

966
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:06,239
» Okay. All right.
>> I used the g back to it.

967
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:09,880
» Look at me go.
>> All right. Um

968
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:17,760
» go ahead and start. Um
Laura, you you wanted to start off here?

969
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:21,679
» Yeah. Uh before I do, I just had a quick
question for Chris about the uh work

970
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:27,600
orders.
>> The those readings, were they all taken

971
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:30,880
basically between 9:00 a.m. 5:00 p.m.
during

972
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:33,679
» City of Wrath from hours?
>> Yeah, they were taken during business

973
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:38,719
hours. There should be a time stamp on
them.

974
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:43,360
» Okay. So if those residents were having
lower water pressure

975
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:46,480
during those earlier hours where you
weren't able to measure it, that's quite

976
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:50,719
possible, right?
>> Yeah. That's why we got the uh pressure

977
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:54,560
transducers because they monitor your
monitor 24 hours a day.

978
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:59,360
» You need the pressure logs.
>> Yeah. So those would be more accurate

979
01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:01,600
for what those residents were actually
experiencing.

980
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:05,360
» Yeah. It would give you a much clearer
picture.

981
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:11,360
» Okay. Just wanted to clarify that.
>> Um, yeah. So, I did prepare something

982
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:19,600
that I wanted to say. [clears throat]
>> I'm I believe that

983
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:26,840
um the proposed
moratorum does meet the requirements of

984
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:26,840
Idaho code 67-6524.

985
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:34,320
The statute
does not require us to prove that water

986
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:40,639
that the water system has already
failed. It requires requires us to state

987
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:46,400
and find in writing that an imminent
peril to public health, safety or

988
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:51,920
welfare requires moratorum.
I believe that the evidence that we have

989
01:25:48,719 --> 01:25:57,520
seen before us supports that finding.
First, this is not a hypothetical or

990
01:25:54,400 --> 01:26:02,080
speculative problem. Our
engineering consultants have presented

991
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:08,880
preliminary findings showing that our
water system is very stressed.

992
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:15,440
During summer demand, our wells are
being pushed to near full capacity. Our

993
01:26:12,719 --> 01:26:20,560
tank storage is struggling to recover,
especially during peak hour demand. The

994
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:26,320
engineers have identified pump cycle
related pressure fluctuations and told

995
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:32,560
us that additional water storage and
infrastructure are necessary to fix this

996
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:39,199
problem both for current conditions and
future conditions. We also have the

997
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:46,159
evidence from our public works director
of low pressure.

998
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:52,639
uh we had which has been pre uh pre
presented to us

999
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:59,920
at measures below 40 PSI at specific
continuous times and locations. The

1000
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:05,760
reason the 40 PSI is being brought up is
because

1001
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:10,639
uh per IDAPA which is the Idaho codes uh
rules and regulations anything below 40

1002
01:27:08,639 --> 01:27:15,520
PSI is considered a measurable
deficiency.

1003
01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:19,520
And this isn't something that suddenly
appeared.

1004
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:24,480
Our public works again director again
has showed us the evidence that these

1005
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:29,440
complaints began approximately four
years ago and that they have increased

1006
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:37,040
and actually remained steady for the
last few years.

1007
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:42,400
as our uh growth has accelerated we know
rather has grown considerably um

1008
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:51,600
approximately
30 to 40% in the last uh 5 years and Jub

1009
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:56,560
Engineering's preliminary findings they
started by saying this is from rather

1010
01:27:54,400 --> 01:28:02,719
growing this is what they said rather is
growing summer demand is pushing supply

1011
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:08,960
limitations tank storage is struggling
Um during these peak hour demands,

1012
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:13,199
current pump oper operating sequences
are contributing to isolated pressure

1013
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:18,560
fluctuations
and additional storage and um supply

1014
01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:26,400
infrastructure is needed to address this
problem. That's what they said.

1015
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:30,719
Um [clears throat] so yes our engineers
have specifically identified it

1016
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:36,639
identified that the population the de
development growth is the reason for the

1017
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:41,199
increasing water demand. So we have very
important

1018
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:46,320
sequence of facts. Populations growing
rapidly, water demands increasing,

1019
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:51,040
systems becoming increasingly stressed,
low pressure problems have emerged and

1020
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:56,080
increased. Our wells are approaching the
capacity during peak demand. Storage is

1021
01:28:53,280 --> 01:29:00,639
struggling to recover and the
infrastructure needed to provide

1022
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:06,320
additional capacity
and resilience is not yet in place.

1023
01:29:03,551 --> 01:29:12,000
[cough] That in my view is substantially
more than any generalized concern about

1024
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:17,440
growth. Nor is it just isolated
incidents. Second, I believe the peril

1025
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:21,920
is imminent because these conditions are
occurring now and are most pronounced

1026
01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:25,760
during predictable periods of peak
demand.

1027
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:31,040
We should not have to wait for the
system to fail or even get worse or for

1028
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:36,159
a fire to occur when pressure and
storage are at their lowest to recognize

1029
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:42,000
that this there is a risk. Third, the
proposed moratorum is directly connected

1030
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:46,800
to the problem. New development requires
municipal water service. It creates

1031
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:51,120
additional demand on the very system
that our engineers have identified as

1032
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:54,800
stressed. The moratorum would
temporarily

1033
01:29:53,332 --> 01:30:00,159
[clears throat] prevent us from adding
that additional demand while we complete

1034
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:04,639
the water system master master plan, the
hydraulic modeling and determine exactly

1035
01:30:02,719 --> 01:30:10,400
what infrastructure is necessary and
begin addressing those deficiencies.

1036
01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:15,520
Finally, I recognize that the
engineering study is not yet complete,

1037
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:20,560
but I don't believe that means we have
no evidence. We already have measured

1038
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:25,840
pressure data, operational data,
historical complaints, water demand

1039
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:30,760
information, rapid population growth,
and the preliminary engineering findings

1040
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:42,639
uh to address uh the option of
water conservation and education of the

1041
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:47,120
public about that. I do think that's
important and can be done, but it's not

1042
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:51,600
a fix to the problem because that takes
time to implement. We don't have the

1043
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:55,440
time for that right now. The question
before us is not whether we can prove

1044
01:30:53,840 --> 01:31:00,000
that our water system will fail
tomorrow. The question is whether the

1045
01:30:57,679 --> 01:31:03,520
evidence demonstrates
is there an immediate threat that

1046
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:08,159
continuing to add demand before
corrective infrastructure is in place

1047
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:13,199
would that present an unacceptable
unacceptable risk to public health

1048
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:18,000
safety or welfare? By the way, the word
welfare

1049
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:23,440
can certainly apply to
the inability to have adequate water

1050
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:27,679
pressure for our residents. I believe
the evidence supports that conclusion

1051
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:34,400
and for that reason I do believe that a
temporary narrowly tail tailored interim

1052
01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:39,280
moratorum is reasonable and responsible
action again not to stop growth

1053
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:43,600
permanently but to protect the
reliability and safety of our water

1054
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:48,800
system while we finish the engineering
work and determine how much additional

1055
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:52,440
development our infrastructure can
safely support.

1056
01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:04,239
So you're you're saying instead of a
citywide moratorum, a a directed

1057
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:07,800
moratorium to certain parts of the city,
what parts of the city?

1058
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:20,719
I think that it could be tailored to to
um not necessarily just

1059
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:27,120
all building permits, but uh possibly to
water system hookups or again to a

1060
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:31,679
geographical area as an option.
>> And to our staff, what what areas of the

1061
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,480
city do we typically have the most
complaints of low water pressure? I know

1062
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:38,880
we do get complaints of high water
pressure downhill, but where do we get

1063
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:43,840
the complaints of high water pressure?
So, if we were to identify an area where

1064
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:46,560
possibly we would we would need to
implement a moratorium, where would that

1065
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:49,600
be?
>> My best guess based on that would be

1066
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:52,880
Brookshshire.
>> Just Brookshshire.

1067
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:55,120
» That's where most of the complaints come
from.

1068
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:59,840
» Okay. Um, what about the surrounding
areas about Corbin Crossing or across

1069
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:05,920
Meyer or
>> Corbin crossing I believe is built out

1070
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:13,880
We're very close to it and we've had a
handful there and just a couple and

1071
01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:13,880
the one across my

1072
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:20,960
» Prairie Sky.
>> Okay. Um what about what about future

1073
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:24,080
subdivisions?
>> Future subdivision.

1074
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:27,120
» Yeah. So so example, there's there's new
homes that are going to be going in that

1075
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:30,560
are actually uphill from me. I have
water pressure issues in Corbin

1076
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:35,679
crossings in the morning as was
demonstrated. Um

1077
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:39,120
that area would be impacted as well.
Correct.

1078
01:33:36,719 --> 01:33:41,199
» Um I don't I'm not sure I understand
exactly what you're getting out by the

1079
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:45,760
top hill.
>> Um so so literally physically higher

1080
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:51,440
than where my house is.
>> Um there are additional buildable lots,

1081
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:54,639
higher elevation. Yeah. Would those
potentially be having the same issue as

1082
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:57,679
I'm having?
>> I couldn't speak to that because it

1083
01:33:56,080 --> 01:34:00,400
hasn't hasn't been built yet. I believe
you'd be talking about the one just

1084
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:02,880
north of you,
>> the subdivision. Uh yeah, I think so.

1085
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:09,400
Yeah.
>> Yeah. I haven't seen seen anything on

1086
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:09,400
that plans.

1087
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:20,080
» So I guess if we my question to council
would be if you would consider a

1088
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:25,120
an area
where where a moratorum would need to go

1089
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:28,880
until we are able to complete our water
master plan on whatever conditions it is

1090
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:37,520
that you identify. What would that area
be? Would it be would it be BL South?

1091
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:42,000
Would it be Lancaster South? Would it be
where where would you anticipate that

1092
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:45,760
being,
>> Mr. Mayor? Based on what you're

1093
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:49,040
questioning, I think an elevation study
would have to be done in order to be

1094
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:52,800
able to see what is higher or what is
lower because there are definitely areas

1095
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:58,000
in the subdivision that's to the north
of you that is quite a bit lower

1096
01:34:54,719 --> 01:35:01,840
elevation than you are. Uh once you get
over the hill as as someone that runs it

1097
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:05,040
almost daily, I can tell you that I have
to go uphill.

1098
01:35:03,805 --> 01:35:08,639
[laughter]
>> But you also have a downhill section. So

1099
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:13,520
» I I Yeah, I also live in a trough,
right? So yeah, the area behind me was

1100
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:20,960
built up for the development behind me
to the north of my house. It used to be

1101
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:25,120
flat. It got built up.
I'm not suggesting

1102
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:28,639
uh a moratorum at all, but if you're
going to look at that, you'd have to I

1103
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:33,120
would say you'd have to tie it to an
elevation threshold.

1104
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:35,199
» Do we have anything like that or would
that be a new study?

1105
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:40,639
» We have to look into that and see what
those elevations are and where the the

1106
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:44,480
problems are because if we tie it to an
elevation, we'd have to look at that. I

1107
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:50,080
don't we don't have any data on that. We
haven't done any data on that. We

1108
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:56,239
haven't done surveys on that. We have
some elevation charge from the county,

1109
01:35:53,199 --> 01:36:01,840
but those are pretty big uh numbers in
between. So, you'd have to be a little

1110
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:06,719
bit more detailed than that. But again,
uh just to back up what I said before,

1111
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:11,840
uh I think your problem is in
irrigation, not in development. And

1112
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:16,960
therefore,
uh saying that not doing any water

1113
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:22,000
conservation methods first. One of the
requirements in the uh code is that you

1114
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:28,480
have to list your less restrictive
alternatives and why either they didn't

1115
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:32,400
work or why you're not doing them. And
as we've looked at it, we've seen that

1116
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:39,120
the most of this stuff happens in the
June, July, August time frame. Uh yeah,

1117
01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:43,920
there's no way even a moratorum can go
into effect until September. And by

1118
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:48,800
September, you've already dropped in the
pressure tissue problems. If you look at

1119
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:54,960
your sheet, you basically have no
complaints uh over a four-year period

1120
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:58,239
from September to January.
>> January being the first set of

1121
01:36:56,480 --> 01:37:01,840
complaints. I think there was two in
October.

1122
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:08,000
» Sorry, Leon. I I think to to that point,
um, if if the city is able to negotiate

1123
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:11,920
and and I I don't want to get into too
details because we have it on the

1124
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:14,800
agenda, negotiate a new site for a water
tower, what is the soonest, and maybe

1125
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:18,480
Kevin, this is a question for you. What
is the soonest that water tower would be

1126
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:24,880
completed?
>> Well, certainly it depends on the size.

1127
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:33,600
Two, depends on the location.
three to erect uh a tank of that. Um I

1128
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:37,520
haven't built a tank in 20 years. Um but
I'm thinking you're probably looking at

1129
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:42,159
a year and a half, two years of time.
>> So another year and a half or two years

1130
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:44,080
of summertime possibly catastrophic
issues. [clears throat]

1131
01:37:43,627 --> 01:37:52,639
» [snorts]
>> Now, with that said, mayor, um the

1132
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:59,840
ability to sink another well is
much less in time frame.

1133
01:37:56,639 --> 01:38:04,080
» And that property would the
>> quote unquote property would would be

1134
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:07,480
able to accommodate a well and a tower.
>> Correct. Yes.

1135
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:14,480
Is there a reason we're not utilizing
the Majestic Water Tower? If if we have

1136
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:18,400
issues,
>> can we

1137
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:22,480
Matt, I'm going to let uh Chris explain
it to you from an operational standpoint

1138
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:24,960
because it's it'll make more sense that
way. But

1139
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:30,000
» Okay. So, from an operational
standpoint, with the installation of the

1140
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:34,000
booster pack, the 50,000galon tank will
just sit there idle, which leads to

1141
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:36,719
water quality issues, stagnation, things
like that, cuz our tanks are actually

1142
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:39,679
mounted sealed.
>> Makes sense.

1143
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:42,639
» So, you have to keep turning over.
>> So, wouldn't with the booster pack, it

1144
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,560
wouldn't actually use the water. Is that
what you're saying?

1145
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,440
» It would fill it and it would just stay
there.

1146
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:50,438
» Stay full.
>> Okay. And yeah, deq would get involved.

1147
01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:54,119
Yeah.
[clears throat]

1148
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:54,119
Any

1149
01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:03,600
other? Larry, you're up next.
>> Okay, Laura, that was articulate. Thank

1150
01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:08,239
you. Um, I
I appreciate your concerns, but first

1151
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:12,080
and foremost,
those of us on this board right here

1152
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:17,040
have an obligation to take care of the
citizens of Rather. And part of that is

1153
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:23,360
the property owners, part of that is our
citizens. And we're going down a road

1154
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:29,440
that I don't think we want to go down at
this point. The reason I say that is a

1155
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:34,239
lot of key words there. Preliminary. We
don't have our water study yet.

1156
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:38,400
Everything in there. Yeah. Jub came and
made a good presentation,

1157
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:42,159
but he kept saying this is preliminary.
This is preliminary. This is

1158
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:47,679
preliminary. We've talked to our
experts, two here and the one at JUB,

1159
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:53,199
and we're all waiting for our water
study, which is very close. We've been

1160
01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:56,880
working on this for a long, long time.
Like Kevin said, he's been wanting the

1161
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:58,320
well, wanting to find a well for what,
nine years now?

1162
01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:02,159
» A tank.
>> 10 or a tank, I mean. And we've been

1163
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:08,239
saving for it. We've been working on
this and it's coming together.

1164
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:14,239
But I go back to
the road we don't want to go down. If we

1165
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:18,960
if we we have to claim imminent peril to
our city to do a moratorum

1166
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:25,280
and which is the health, safety and
welfare of our citizens.

1167
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:30,000
Imminent peril needs to come up with it
has to be issues have to be occurring

1168
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:35,040
continuously
predictability or is likely to occur in

1169
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:39,760
a way that clearly creates health,
safety or welfare issues. Our charts

1170
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:45,280
that we saw today and everything we've
seen, those are not continuous.

1171
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:51,360
Continuous isn't 3 hours. Continuous
isn't 25 minutes. Continuous is it's a

1172
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:59,760
problem and we aren't coming out of it.
Okay. I can't see right now a reason for

1173
01:40:55,920 --> 01:41:03,920
a moratorum. Now,
after we get our water study and our

1174
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:07,199
hydraulic figures come out and go, you
have a problem here and we have to fix

1175
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:12,080
it. and then I'll be the first one to
vote for a moratorum if I think there's

1176
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:15,920
a problem. But right now, we're going
down a road we don't want to go and

1177
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:22,400
protecting our citizens. And the reason
I say that is if we do if we do a

1178
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:26,560
moratorum and it's not right and we jump
put the cart before the horse, we're

1179
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:30,800
going to get our butt sued big time and
it's going to cost millions of dollars

1180
01:41:29,119 --> 01:41:36,080
and you people are going to be paying
for it. Okay? Our city can't afford

1181
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:39,280
that. Let's be patient. Let's sit back.
Let's look at all the facts. Let's

1182
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:43,840
gather everything. It's what we've been
doing, the charts, everything else. You

1183
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:46,639
guys have been doing a great job and our
attorneys been doing a great job and

1184
01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:50,639
trying to steer us in the right
direction. I'm not saying we don't have

1185
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:55,360
a problem. I'm not saying we don't have
a problem to the point of imminent

1186
01:41:52,560 --> 01:42:00,719
peril. Now, not jumping ahead again like
the mayor said, but our next item on the

1187
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:06,320
agenda is new business and consideration
of a resolution acknowledging

1188
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:10,639
preliminary preliminary water concerns
and directing our staff. That's what

1189
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:14,000
we've been doing for months. We've
brought this subject up almost every

1190
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:19,440
city council meeting for three or four
months and we haven't gotten any closer

1191
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:23,040
to resolving the issue as we are
tonight. There's so many unanswered

1192
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,440
questions. What do you think? What do
you think? Sorry. What do you think is

1193
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:28,080
causing that, Larry? That we're not
getting any closer?

1194
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:30,560
» I mean, are you saying that staff isn't
doing their jobs? We're not collecting

1195
01:42:29,440 --> 01:42:32,639
data? What What does that mean?
>> Don't put words in my mouth.

1196
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:36,239
» No, I'm asking you what that mean.
>> Well, and that's I'm getting to that.

1197
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:40,000
We're we're we're getting all of our
facts together. What I'm saying is is

1198
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:45,440
we're not getting any closer. And I
think having this [clears throat] on the

1199
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:48,800
I think what we did is we um we tabled
it to this meeting, right? because we

1200
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:52,239
talked about it last meeting and we
haven't we've actually gotten a lot

1201
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:55,679
farther because Leon and everybody's
brought a bunch of charts together,

1202
01:42:53,920 --> 01:43:00,960
brought a bunch of facts together, your
your uh uh the memos that you gave us on

1203
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:04,880
the water pressures and stuff, those are
all great, but that don't get us any

1204
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:10,960
closer to resolving it. I think we're
not going to resolve it until we get our

1205
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:14,880
water study plan and put our put our
experts together on that because we need

1206
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:19,199
to listen to our experts. I don't know
anything about it, but I do know that if

1207
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:23,199
we go down the wrong road, we're gonna
get our butts sued and I don't want to

1208
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:26,560
be a part of that and I won't sign off
on that.

1209
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,960
» That's fair. Can you
>> And I think we one more thing. Oh, no.

1210
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:34,000
Go ahead.
>> The less restrictive

1211
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:39,760
ways to fix our water do through
mitigation or odd and even watering. I

1212
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:45,119
know it's an inconvenience, but
conservation, I think, and education,

1213
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:48,480
educating the other people and and Laura
made a comment at one of the other

1214
01:43:46,639 --> 01:43:52,639
meetings that this seems to be a
seasonal problem. And I think we've

1215
01:43:50,639 --> 01:43:59,040
witnessed that tonight is that looking
at our water use or it is seasonal. It's

1216
01:43:56,080 --> 01:44:03,920
about a three or four month long ordeal
and we're coming into about 6 weeks left

1217
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:09,520
of irrigation time and then we're going
to our water is going to go way down.

1218
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:12,960
So, um, is that going to affect the
pressure? It seems to, but I don't know.

1219
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:19,199
I don't have a water pressure problem at
my house, but or I I do notice a little

1220
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:24,800
less water pressure when I'm irrigating,
but not enough to where it falls below

1221
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:31,119
what I feel is a safe and healthy
standard.

1222
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:37,520
Okay. So my my opinion is let's drop
this and wait till our water plan find

1223
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:41,600
out the facts and then make a decision.
That's fair points, Larry. Absolutely.

1224
01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:45,920
So can you can you help me understand a
little bit better what you consider the

1225
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:50,320
welfare of the citizens to be
because you mentioned that earlier as as

1226
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:55,440
one of the criteria.
>> And what is your opinion?

1227
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:59,280
» Well, no, I'm asking you.
I I'm not asking for my definition. I I

1228
01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:05,360
think I think mental well-being of our
citizens is a high priority for me,

1229
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:10,800
right? And and my definition, right? And
and I can't tell you the innumerable

1230
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:13,360
amount of people, including me, who if I
wake up at 5 in the morning and go to

1231
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:16,480
take a shower and there's no water
pressure, I'm going to be honest, I'm a

1232
01:45:15,119 --> 01:45:20,080
little peeved that day.
>> But does that affect your welfare?

1233
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:22,800
» It it it affects your attitude.
>> It affects my well-being. Yes. But

1234
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:25,119
that's not your
>> But I'm asking what your definition of

1235
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:30,159
wellbeing is.
>> Well, welfare is is the city to provide

1236
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:36,480
for its people. [clears throat] It's our
it's our responsibility to pro provide

1237
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:41,760
them with water and police in fire and
all that kind of stuff. That's my

1238
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:47,679
opinion. I I I can't speak for you or
them or who about how your welfare is.

1239
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:53,520
Okay? That's that's a loose term and I I
can't really answer that. I'm sorry. I

1240
01:45:49,280 --> 01:46:00,560
can't. But that's the but that is the
let me put it this way that is the way

1241
01:45:55,679 --> 01:46:06,800
the law is written for a uh imminent or
an imminent domain or not imminent

1242
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:12,320
domain but a um moratorum on imminent
peril and it has to be it affects the

1243
01:46:09,679 --> 01:46:16,719
the health and welfare of the of the
citizens. Okay, a judge is going to

1244
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:22,159
decide that and I think a good attorney
can tear that apart and I can't. I'm not

1245
01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:26,000
an attorney and I don't have Webster's
dictionary in front of me. So, I don't

1246
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:29,840
mean to be rude or disrespectful, but I
can't answer that question. I think how

1247
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:32,960
you're trying to get me to answer.
>> No, no, I'm not trying to get you to I'm

1248
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:37,840
just trying to understand your
perspective [clears throat] and and and

1249
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:42,320
you know, you you mentioned water, you
know, the city's responsibility to

1250
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:45,600
provide water. Um I I guess maybe more
broadly would you consider mental

1251
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:48,560
well-being as part of the welfare of the
city?

1252
01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:54,480
» Well, let me put it to you this way.
Okay, if we did a moratorum

1253
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:58,560
and we were wrong, which I think right
now we are

1254
01:46:56,639 --> 01:47:03,760
very wrong. We aren't even close to
having enough documentation to do it.

1255
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:08,639
Think of the consequences of a
moratorum. Will that have a greater

1256
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:11,760
impact on our welfare of our citizens
because they're going to have to pay out

1257
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:17,600
of their nose to pay for the legal fees
and everything or can they be can we

1258
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:22,400
wait a little bit longer um until our
experts find out the facts. Not only do

1259
01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:27,119
we affect the welfare of the citizens of
Raptor and this will affect some of them

1260
01:47:24,639 --> 01:47:32,400
but if we put a moratorum on building
that's going to affect the contractors

1261
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:38,719
the the asphalt guys the landscapers the
plumbers the sheetrock guys the framers

1262
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:42,480
the electricians the and go and building
supply companies they're all going to

1263
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:46,960
get affected very strongly and that's
going to affect a lot of people and

1264
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:52,400
you're going to have a lot of people
attacking you and I don't want to be a

1265
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:55,840
part of that right now. It's not
it's I'm not saying it ain't going to

1266
01:47:54,000 --> 01:48:01,440
happen. I'm going to say it's not now.
Now is not the time. We don't have

1267
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:07,199
enough facts and information to do a
definitive. Yes, we need a moratorum.

1268
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:13,199
Okay. And I think to address what you
said about a continuous um you know

1269
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:16,639
issue, I I I'm not going to quote the
city attorney directly, but essentially

1270
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:20,159
what was said is what it really boils
down to is the attorney's ability to

1271
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:26,480
argue what is continuous,
>> right? It's pretty subjective.

1272
01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:28,719
» True. And and the opposing attorney
that's going to sue us, they're they're

1273
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:33,600
pretty
>> their ability to argue it as well. Yeah.

1274
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:38,239
And and and that's my point is I'm not
feeling comfortable that we're at that

1275
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:42,320
point yet to where we can go to bat and
get that done and and try to fix the

1276
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:47,199
problem. I think we need to wait for our
water study. You know, Albert Einstein,

1277
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:50,719
they say he said this, but he didn't.
But the definition of insanity, and

1278
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:54,480
that's doing the same thing over and
over and over again, expecting different

1279
01:48:52,719 --> 01:48:57,760
results and then feeling like that's
where we are. We keep going over and

1280
01:48:56,080 --> 01:49:00,880
over and over and over on this,
expecting different results, and we

1281
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:05,520
aren't there yet. We aren't going to get
results till we get the facts and we

1282
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:09,760
don't have the facts yet. We need the
water study. We need more input like

1283
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:13,760
charge like Leon did and things. That
all takes time and and we've been

1284
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:16,880
working on it. We've been working on it
for a long time. We're just not there

1285
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:21,440
yet.
>> But but we have enough of a water study

1286
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:27,320
to identify the most optimal place to
put a new wire water tower.

1287
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:27,320
Kevin,

1288
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:34,159
» uh, a couple things, Mayor. Uh, we
actually looked at, uh, several

1289
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:38,239
different locations, uh, for
possibilities, um, for a new motor

1290
01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:45,040
storage.
Um, just happened to be that we had an

1291
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:50,080
opportunity um, come before us on a
different landings matter that we uh,

1292
01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:54,320
approached that property owner about
that bus.

1293
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:57,600
I I suggested an alternative site. Was
that researched at all?

1294
01:49:56,239 --> 01:50:03,199
» Which site was that?
>> Um the potential of purchasing the land

1295
01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:07,440
in Brookshshire from Lakeland Joint
School District.

1296
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:11,520
» Yeah, that would be a good spot as well.
>> There's several good spots in there. U

1297
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:18,239
the majority of the spots we looked at
were all in the southern part of the

1298
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:25,760
city uh corporate wise. Um, keep in
mind, um, it's a construction cost

1299
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:30,960
situation at that point in time, uh,
because if you pick, uh, a lower

1300
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:37,360
elevation, you're building a taller
tank. Um, so we looked at it from a

1301
01:50:34,159 --> 01:50:41,840
topographical standpoint uh, to try to
determine which lands met that type of

1302
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:46,320
criteria, did the best value for
construction that we could. In other

1303
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:48,960
words, not build it as tall as what we
would if we were put it down into drill

1304
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:52,480
hole.
>> Um those are exciting things.

1305
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:56,159
» What about replacing the current water
tower?

1306
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:58,560
» We looked at that site as well.
>> Because that's one of the high points in

1307
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,960
the city, isn't it?
>> It is.

1308
01:50:59,119 --> 01:51:05,360
» Okay. So, shorter water tower.
>> We looked at that actually that was a

1309
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:10,159
favorable location as well. Um, some of
that comes into play with uh the overall

1310
01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:14,080
footprint that we're looking at for
that, but we did look at that site and

1311
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:17,440
you were correct that would be a good
site to put a water tower as well.

1312
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:21,840
» Right. Yeah. And sorry, we're starting
to drift into one of our next topic. So,

1313
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:25,600
I want to kind of steer away from that.
Um, and speaking of steering, I just I

1314
01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:28,320
think you said something, Larry, that
bothered me a little bit and I was

1315
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:34,000
hoping maybe you can clarify a little
bit. No, no. Just just just a minute

1316
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:38,400
ago. And and um you made the statement
that the city attorney is trying to

1317
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:43,679
steer us. Can you clarify that?
>> Uh

1318
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:49,599
I don't understand. Well, I maybe that's
a poor choice of words. She she is our

1319
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:54,400
legal counsel. Okay. If we are sitting
here and she gives us guidance to do

1320
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:59,760
something a certain way and we don't do
it that way, we're liable. But if and

1321
01:51:57,599 --> 01:52:05,280
she won't defend us, but if she steers
us to do something a certain way and we

1322
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:11,440
honor her words and trust her judgment,
then we're protected. Okay? And and by

1323
01:52:08,719 --> 01:52:15,599
steering us, I I that's probably that
was probably a poor choice where it's

1324
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:20,239
more like guiding us and directing us in
the paths that maybe we should consider

1325
01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:25,599
because she knows the laws. She knows
the legalities. I don't. I sell auto

1326
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:28,960
parts, you know. I I I trust her
judgment because she's one of the

1327
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:34,320
experts. I trust their judgment over
there because they're experts and I

1328
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:39,119
trust, you know, and that's why
are they always right? No. But usually

1329
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:43,440
when they're not, they'll tell you. And
and that that's what I mean by that by

1330
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:47,840
steering us. I don't mean she's, you
know, proddding us to go a certain way.

1331
01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:52,960
She's giving us legal guidance, which is
her job, and she does a darn good job of

1332
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:55,679
it. So, does that answer your question?
Right. Yeah. No, thank you. Appreciate

1333
01:52:54,320 --> 01:53:00,480
that.
>> Uh, is that everything you Sorry.

1334
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:04,960
» Uh, you had made comments about uh
Emily's quote of uh what she can defend.

1335
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:09,599
» In that [clears throat] same memo, she
also talked to you about what she felt

1336
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:14,400
continuous would be and continuous would
be for a prolonged period of time in a

1337
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:21,599
48 hour window. It would be [snorts]
close to a a 23 24 hour period in the 48

1338
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:24,639
hour window. And and that is this our
current city attorney's definition of

1339
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:28,639
what she would be able to defend,
>> right? And that's what you were you were

1340
01:53:26,480 --> 01:53:31,440
saying. What what can she defend? That's
what I wanted to throw that out there.

1341
01:53:30,159 --> 01:53:35,199
» Thank you. No, I appreciate that. Thank
you for the clarity. Larry, uh, sorry,

1342
01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:38,239
Leon. Um, Larry, did you have anything
else?

1343
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:42,320
» I think I stated my case. I think you
know where I stand,

1344
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:49,360
» right? Uh, Matt, uh, Chris, can you help
me understand these uh, work orders?

1345
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:55,520
Some of them don't have a scheduled date
and a time, but they have a result.

1346
01:53:53,360 --> 01:54:00,880
» Um, basically in our work queue, they
get sent out and um, they come to me and

1347
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:06,800
I, you know, I hand them out to my
employees and if you have an imperative

1348
01:54:04,639 --> 01:54:10,480
maintenance thing that you have to do,
it'll shift your time. So, it just gets

1349
01:54:08,639 --> 01:54:12,960
you have to prioritize yourself to get
those things done.

1350
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:18,000
» Okay. So, it's safe to say those that
don't have a scheduled date and time

1351
01:54:14,719 --> 01:54:22,320
were completed on or about the day it
was filed.

1352
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:26,400
» That would be a fairly normal turnaround
day, next day.

1353
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:32,960
» Okay. Um,
we're talking about a moratorum on

1354
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:36,880
building and I'll say I'm trying to I'm
trying to get pulled in one direction or

1355
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:44,400
or the other direction. But looking at
the work orders, April 27, 2023, there

1356
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:50,000
was a reading of 92 PSI. Um, where's our
street on this? In Santa Fe Street.

1357
01:54:47,599 --> 01:54:58,239
Um, you know, I thumb through all this
here. April 23, reading of 75 PSI. No

1358
01:54:54,239 --> 01:55:09,080
low pressure found. Uh, Irish circle.
So, there's quite a few of the no

1359
01:55:03,599 --> 01:55:09,080
low pressure found on these work orders.

1360
01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:19,760
Uh, here's here's another one. March
2024, the best reading he got was 70

1361
01:55:14,719 --> 01:55:27,840
PSI. He checked again and he got 82. and
that it's going to be a Cascade Street.

1362
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:32,800
So, what I'm getting at is this is to me
not necessarily pointing at the culprit

1363
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:38,239
of low water pressure being the addition
of new houses. Now, that's not to say

1364
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:44,800
that the addition of new houses creates
more lawns to water,

1365
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:49,599
but when we're looking at
decently good water pressure readings in

1366
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:53,239
months that I certainly hope people are
not watering their lawn,

1367
01:55:54,239 --> 01:56:01,199
it's high. And the lower ones are going
to be the months that people are

1368
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:05,280
lowering their law, watering their lawns
rather.

1369
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:10,960
So to me that's going to point to where
staff is going when it comes to it's an

1370
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:16,560
irrigation is the culprit. The immediate
culprit, potentially a secondary culprit

1371
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:20,400
could be building,
but the immediate one with the data on

1372
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:23,400
these work orders is telling me is that
it's

1373
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:31,760
it's something happening in the summer.
And I think it's the data presented

1374
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:36,960
today is uh telling me it's water
watering our lawns. I think it was 500%.

1375
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:42,960
Don't quote me on that, but we increase
our water usage by 500%.

1376
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:47,520
uh in the summer. Additionally,
um if we're if we're going to enact

1377
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:55,679
imminent peril,
we we need to

1378
01:56:49,920 --> 01:57:03,440
show what we have done. Now I
without having wrath city code 8-1-12

1379
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:08,159
being set up which is going to be the
water system emergencies

1380
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:12,159
which uh in the event of a water
emergency as declared by the public

1381
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:20,400
works director the following actions may
be put into immediate effect by the

1382
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:24,719
city. Uh the first thing a 8-1-12A
is irrigation and sprinkling sprinkling

1383
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:27,760
restricted.
Once a water emergency has been

1384
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:33,360
declared, the public works director may
require that all or part of the citizens

1385
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:38,159
comply with the following water
rationing schedule while the emergency

1386
01:57:35,599 --> 01:57:44,400
is in effect.
So, if we're saying that we're in a time

1387
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:50,080
of imminent peril, but we're also not
enacting city code that we have for an

1388
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:54,719
emergency. That's what I'm struggling
with. I don't know if there's anyone

1389
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:57,599
that's able to help me pop out of that
struggle.

1390
01:57:55,119 --> 01:58:02,080
» I I think the difference in my mind and
and I think the city attorney could

1391
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:06,320
probably help here as well. Um, imminent
peril means the potential of something

1392
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:11,360
happening. An emergency being there is
something happening. So, let's say that

1393
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:16,480
their rather mountain catches fire.
They're pulling from every hydrant that

1394
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:20,800
they can find. That is an emergency. The
uh in this case, I believe it would be

1395
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:24,480
Chris could implement a water emergency
and say, "All right, at this point, you

1396
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:29,199
know, commercial businesses, you can
water on this uh Monday, Wednesday,

1397
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:34,800
Friday. Residents Tuesday, Thursday,
Saturday." Right? I I think that's the

1398
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:41,159
difference. An active emergency versus
the potential of an emergency.

1399
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:41,159
Fair enough.

1400
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:51,599
So then the the next thing that the the
struggle that I've got here is is we've

1401
01:58:47,599 --> 01:58:56,080
not gone below that 20 PSI. Now I would
actually disagree with your estimate of

1402
01:58:54,320 --> 01:59:03,920
where we're at when it hits a 20. that
was above a 35 um on the reading. And my

1403
01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:08,880
very quick math, 35 minus 13, I wrote it
down, is 22.

1404
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:13,760
So that's not 20. I don't I'm not a
water expert. I don't know how much PSI

1405
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:19,119
uh that two PSI matters, but it does
matter between 20 and 19. And so we've

1406
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:25,880
got a difference of two from 20 to 22.
So I read that as 22.

1407
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:25,880
A measurable deficiency

1408
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:31,760
I would argue we have a measurable
deficiency. We have a deficiency in our

1409
01:59:29,599 --> 01:59:38,599
water system.
Is that deficiency leading us to an

1410
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:38,599
imminent peril? The threat of

1411
01:59:38,719 --> 01:59:43,239
welfare or harming the welfare of the
citizens.

1412
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:48,639
I I'm not sure it does.
>> That doesn't mean we don't have a

1413
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:52,800
problem.
>> Yeah. Sorry. What was the fire

1414
01:59:50,239 --> 01:59:54,719
department's response to that?
>> Did Did they respond at all? That's my

1415
01:59:54,239 --> 01:59:57,520
next part here
>> on Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

1416
01:59:56,159 --> 02:00:02,639
» Yeah, you're good. The the fire
department um commented on their uh

1417
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:10,080
their memo. If you've got the packet,
it's page 43 of the PDF and it's the

1418
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:12,960
last sentence and it goes into page 44.
Currently, there are no concerns from

1419
02:00:11,679 --> 02:00:18,159
the fire department regarding the
pressures or the adequacy of the water

1420
02:00:14,719 --> 02:00:21,599
systems in raft.
He also notices that the hydrants within

1421
02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:27,760
the city are required to be periodically
tested and maintained.

1422
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:33,800
So we have our
our fire department saying that they

1423
02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:33,800
don't have a concern.

1424
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:44,119
That is all I have.
Okay.

1425
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:44,119
I don't know what's left.

1426
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:54,239
I think there's obviously a problem in
Brookshshire, but

1427
02:00:50,320 --> 02:01:02,000
um the water readings that Leon showed
us, uh the HOA is using four times the

1428
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:06,000
amount of water an acre.
And that's where the majority of the

1429
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:09,199
problems are coming from.
The majority of the complaints for water

1430
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:14,239
pressure problems are coming out of
Brookshshire, which the HOA is using

1431
02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:23,119
four times the amount of water to water
one acre. They're also the largest

1432
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:27,040
usage user of water in we're after.
I think some education needs to happen

1433
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:30,239
there.
>> That's just the HOA, not the city,

1434
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:35,080
» right? That's not the residence. That's
just the HOA water and green space.

1435
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:43,040
Well, I don't I don't So, based on based
on the actual workhold orders, so I I'll

1436
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:47,280
ask you, Chris, are the majority of
these in Brookshshire? The people that

1437
02:01:45,599 --> 02:01:50,400
have actually taken the time to request
us to come out and do readings. Are the

1438
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:55,679
majority in Brookshshire?
>> I would have to look at it again to make

1439
02:01:51,840 --> 02:02:01,000
sure, but there is a number from
say

1440
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:01,000
absolutely

1441
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:18,719
And and to your point, Ken, I think
anecdotally the majority of the

1442
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:19,520
complaints I get are from people in
Brookshshire.

1443
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:21,679
» Yeah.
>> Right.

1444
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:22,639
» I mean, that's that's what I'm getting,
too.

1445
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:26,159
» Yeah.
>> But I mean, [clears throat and cough]

1446
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:31,199
there's definitely a problem, but it I'm
thinking it might lie in Brookshshire.

1447
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:35,760
The answer
So, I mean, I don't I don't see it

1448
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:39,599
fitting it's not fitting imminent peril
there. I mean, if you put a moratorum,

1449
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:44,440
how's that going to solve any problem?
They're still going to have a low water

1450
02:02:40,719 --> 02:02:44,440
pressure in Brookshire.

1451
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:48,960
» Even if we don't build another house,
>> even if you don't build another house,

1452
02:02:47,679 --> 02:02:53,199
there's still got a water pressure
problem

1453
02:02:51,119 --> 02:03:00,080
because there's more water being used
there than anywhere else.

1454
02:02:55,920 --> 02:03:03,920
» Mr. Mayor, I believe Leon said that
Golden Spike was the

1455
02:03:02,639 --> 02:03:07,679
» highest.
>> So it between the two months they're

1456
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:11,520
basically average there.
>> Okay. In one of them they were higher.

1457
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:15,599
» One was higher in one month and one was
higher in the other month. So

1458
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:20,880
» how did they compare elevation wise?
>> I had no idea.

1459
02:03:18,159 --> 02:03:23,520
» So one's at the top of our water supply
and the other one's at the bottom of the

1460
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:31,119
water supply. It would stand a reason.
Kevin, maybe you can give me the John's

1461
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:34,960
an idiot answer here. um the lower
altitude would tend to have higher water

1462
02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:39,599
pressure
versus the higher altitude having lower

1463
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:43,599
water pressure. All things being
>> Yeah. typically the way our water system

1464
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:46,639
is set up, it would be dependent upon of
course that

1465
02:03:44,639 --> 02:03:51,360
» So would would Golden Spike, even though
they're using more water, would they

1466
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:56,080
realize a low pressure scenario before
say Brookshshire

1467
02:03:54,159 --> 02:04:02,239
or would Brookshshire realize it first
being higher?

1468
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:08,745
Mayor, the difficulty is saying it off
the cuff on one way or waiting until we

1469
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:13,040
actually have that master. I know.
[cough and clears throat]

1470
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:17,119
» There you go.
>> Well, I think the I think the problem is

1471
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:21,199
that we're we're making decisions
tonight on our agenda based on an

1472
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:25,040
incomplete master plan. We're asking for
a water tower when we don't have a wa

1473
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:29,560
master plan to show us that that is the
most optimal place to put it.

1474
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:35,520
So I don't think we can talk out of both
sides of our mouth on this. Now that's

1475
02:04:33,599 --> 02:04:40,000
for
a couple items down the line, but you

1476
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:44,400
know I I don't know that we can say
definitively one way or another. I I

1477
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:50,400
agree with you. You know, I I'm begging
people, you know,

1478
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:53,920
um Chris has got my my list, but you
know, we don't hardly anybody has

1479
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:58,560
actually filed a complaint with the
city. If you're having water pressure

1480
02:04:56,320 --> 02:05:02,159
issues, now I was told when I asked
originally, and I know it has changed

1481
02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:06,960
since then, that there was not someone
available at, you know, 5:00 a.m. to

1482
02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:12,719
come measure the water pressure of my
house. Now, we can hook something up

1483
02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:16,000
24/7 and we can measure it and see, you
know, is it as is it as bad as I

1484
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:20,639
perceive when I get into the shower and
the water comes out like this versus

1485
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:25,920
straight, you know, may maybe it's not
as bad as I think it is. Maybe that

1486
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:27,920
difference in PSI isn't is
maybe there isn't as much of a

1487
02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:31,520
difference as I think there is.
>> Well, there's a difference between

1488
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:39,119
volume and pressure, okay? And we're
talking the gallons of usage for you

1489
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:44,400
know let's say rad or majest golden
spine they used x amount of gallons

1490
02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:48,480
that's volume has nothing to do with
pressure

1491
02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:53,199
can be affected by many different things
the diameter of the line uh various

1492
02:05:51,599 --> 02:05:54,639
other things right like you were just
saying so we

1493
02:05:53,920 --> 02:06:02,960
» hydraulic
>> yeah hydraulic the hydraulic modeling is

1494
02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:06,560
going to identify a lot of this So, um,
understood. So, Chris,

1495
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:09,922
» uh, Mr. Mayor, I count just quick count
was nine.

1496
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:12,400
» Nine out of Sorry, how many was it? 39.
[laughter]

1497
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:14,480
» It's on the front page. I got it. I got
it. So, so nine out of

1498
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:19,280
» 39.
>> Nine out of 39 were in Brookshire. So

1499
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:24,400
the so the majority of these in areas
where historically you know maybe high

1500
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:28,000
water pressure I'm thinking right street
you know where you know

1501
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:32,239
» what I was getting at though is where
the problems were.

1502
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:34,320
» So the on the rest of the 30 there was
no problems found.

1503
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:36,960
» Mhm. [clears throat]
>> But there was low water pressure in

1504
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:42,280
Brookshire.
>> Yeah.

1505
02:06:38,159 --> 02:06:42,280
» Yeah. That's what good point.

1506
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:46,679
Was there anything else?

1507
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:53,280
» No, that's that's all I had.
>> Okay,

1508
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:59,679
» Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to point out
that if the council were to do an

1509
02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:05,360
ordinance uh for moratorum, we have the
choice to select either an emergency or

1510
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:08,872
an interim one and they are different.
>> Okay.

1511
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:10,320
» What are the differences? The difference
[laughter]

1512
02:07:09,528 --> 02:07:13,679
[gasps]
uh

1513
02:07:10,719 --> 02:07:15,440
» the emergency is six months and the
interim is a year

1514
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:20,000
» is a year
>> although we have the option to make it

1515
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:25,520
six months if we wanted to
>> and mortoriiums can be extended

1516
02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:31,440
» that's more of an Emily question
>> do it at the end to show what you've

1517
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:36,159
done and everything else but u I think
there is also a limitation of time

1518
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:42,000
between the moratoriums you can't just
go from one into the other you have to

1519
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:45,920
have a time period in between. Without
my legal expertise [laughter] next to

1520
02:07:44,079 --> 02:07:49,880
me, I wouldn't be able to tell you what
that is.

1521
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:49,880
» Right.

1522
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:58,880
» Right. So, this is an action item. It is
consideration of adopting of findings of

1523
02:07:57,199 --> 02:08:02,800
imminent peril related to water system
pressure concerns for an emergency

1524
02:08:00,239 --> 02:08:07,119
moratorum ordinance. So, council, how
would you like to proceed?

1525
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:11,920
» Mr. Mayor, based on what we've been
through tonight in the last several

1526
02:08:09,599 --> 02:08:17,280
meetings and all the information we
have, I make a motion that we deny the

1527
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:21,679
consideration of adoption of findings of
imminent peril related to our water

1528
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:27,599
system pressure concerns for an
emergency moratorum ordinance. And

1529
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:32,639
again, like I said last meeting, let's
wait till we get our water study.

1530
02:08:31,199 --> 02:08:35,119
» Okay. And I have to be sure that I
understand what it is that you're

1531
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:41,040
saying. You're saying that we should
deny the findings.

1532
02:08:37,599 --> 02:08:44,800
» We deny the consideration to adopt the
findings. We deny We deny what we're act

1533
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:46,159
our action item is.
>> All right. Motion made. Is there a

1534
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:49,360
second?
>> Second. All right. 10 seconds.

1535
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:54,440
Commission.
>> Further discussion. Thank you. Um

1536
02:08:54,639 --> 02:09:00,560
what's the repercussion if it gets
denied? Are we able to bring it back as

1537
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:05,760
an action item? you can bring it back as
an action item. Matter of fact, Larry's

1538
02:09:02,639 --> 02:09:09,800
motion was to uh until we had the
results of our water study.

1539
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:17,280
» Mr. Mayor, I wanted to point out that I
did ask JUB engineers about the

1540
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:22,480
preliminary findings and if they
expected there to be any differences in

1541
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:27,119
the final report and they indicated that
no, that

1542
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:30,560
there were not expecting it to be any
different in the final report.

1543
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:40,239
And I I'll say from my part, you know, I
I totally understand from an engineering

1544
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:47,360
perspective where Kevin's coming from.
You know, that that data matters. Um you

1545
02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:51,119
know, I think one of the most um
honestly upsetting things that I heard

1546
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:56,159
from JUB was additional data isn't going
to make a difference in the accuracy of

1547
02:09:53,440 --> 02:10:03,679
their water study and that the accuracy
is 90%. Um I I just feel like in the

1548
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:08,880
court of law that's just 10% is a big
margin to argue against,

1549
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:15,360
» you know. So So we my concern is that
that you're that the council is hinging

1550
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:20,560
everything on this water study when in
reality water studies get picked apart

1551
02:10:18,159 --> 02:10:27,119
every day throughout the country.
So in light of that, yes, we we expect

1552
02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:31,280
the we got a prelim everything again.
We're talking preliminary and I think

1553
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:38,880
we're preliminary on an imminent barrel
or a moratorum, but September is our

1554
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:45,040
agreement sometime in September for our
water study. December is where we're

1555
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:49,280
going to be able to plug in by December,
we're supposed to be able to plug in our

1556
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:51,920
our modeling and our hydraulic things.
That's where we're going to find our

1557
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:56,400
answers. We're not going to get our
answers in September.

1558
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:58,800
» Well, I want to correct that.
>> And I Okay,

1559
02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:02,719
» jump in here.
>> We'll be able to do modeling for our

1560
02:11:00,639 --> 02:11:09,760
current system, which means we'd be able
to model where we could do water towers

1561
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:15,760
and even in trying to be cautious of our
other thing. It would tell us that even

1562
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:20,480
we picked anywhere in the city how tall
that water tower would need to be

1563
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:29,040
because anywhere in the city would work.
We just have to change the height of

1564
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:34,639
that whether it's 2 ft or 25 ft. But
that's what the model will tell us is

1565
02:11:31,599 --> 02:11:39,599
part and the design factor of that water
tower if I'm not mistaken. Kevin, is

1566
02:11:36,719 --> 02:11:43,119
that accurate? Well, there's
>> it's a little bit more complicated than

1567
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:47,840
that.
>> I'm dumbing it down in an account view.

1568
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:51,920
» What I'm I that's what I mean by my
point. We aren't going to know till

1569
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:56,800
we're able to plug those into the
system. So, we don't have any answers

1570
02:11:54,560 --> 02:12:02,480
today and we're we're not going to have
until we get that study and do that.

1571
02:11:59,119 --> 02:12:06,239
» Mr. Mayor, one
sorry, one second. Let can we let Kevin

1572
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:11,440
finish his statement and we'll go back
to you. with regards to the

1573
02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:17,599
the whole conversation about the water
storage tank and the you know production

1574
02:12:13,679 --> 02:12:21,440
well a lot of that came from me um and
the reason why is is we're putting

1575
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:27,360
together operating budgets for the
upcoming fiscal year and I wanted to

1576
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:30,880
make sure that was on the radar um and
part of being on the radar was just to

1577
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:35,119
make sure we can start identifying
potential what those costs are and then

1578
02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:41,760
demonstrated to the city council that we
had those funds at things. So, forgive

1579
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:47,360
me as far as water storage tank. Let me
be clear. Um, I would like to build a

1580
02:12:45,119 --> 02:12:50,320
water storage tank.
Locationwise,

1581
02:12:48,880 --> 02:12:54,639
yeah, that's something that we'll
certainly need to model and make sure we

1582
02:12:52,159 --> 02:13:00,000
put that in the most appropriate spot.
Most appropriate being one, location

1583
02:12:56,719 --> 02:13:07,040
from a hydraulic standpoint. two, uh, if
it's any any in any sensitive type areas

1584
02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:10,400
such as if it's encumbered by, you know,
who knows what or if the land's

1585
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:14,400
particularly expensive, those type of
things, um, would come into play. But

1586
02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:19,280
the main thing was I just wanted to get
on city council's radar because pretty

1587
02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:26,800
soon you're going to be finalizing an
operating budget. And if I didn't get

1588
02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:29,840
out in front of that um and request it,
then either one you'd have to open up

1589
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:35,199
the budget during the middle of the year
for a very large ticket item or take

1590
02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:38,960
ticket items. Um so I just want to make
sure I was being clear that I was trying

1591
02:13:37,119 --> 02:13:43,840
to be proactive on that. I'm not trying
to and mayor, I do appreciate what

1592
02:13:41,599 --> 02:13:47,760
you're saying as far as talking it out
both sides of my mouth as far as whether

1593
02:13:45,599 --> 02:13:52,800
or not we have a model says we need it
and here's some potential locations.

1594
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:58,000
We're not done yet. Um, but we're
getting really, really close. Um, and I

1595
02:13:55,760 --> 02:14:02,000
think we have a very good indication of
where the location's going to be,

1596
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:08,079
particularly based upon a lot of this
conversations we've had over the last

1597
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:13,440
six plus months. Um, so confidence level
is going high, but it's not 100% yet.

1598
02:14:11,679 --> 02:14:18,480
So, I just I wanted to throw that out
there for clarification just to make

1599
02:14:15,040 --> 02:14:23,119
sure that we're not hinging any
decisions based upon some of those

1600
02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:28,639
preliminary comments because they were
more from a fiscal standpoint more so

1601
02:14:25,679 --> 02:14:34,159
than anything.
Well, and you know, I think you know,

1602
02:14:31,599 --> 02:14:38,159
also along those same lines, you know, J
Jub did say that, you know, we would we

1603
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:41,199
would have
current state

1604
02:14:40,239 --> 02:14:42,560
in September.
>> Correct.

1605
02:14:41,599 --> 02:14:45,119
» Right. From a model.
>> That is correct.

1606
02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:48,800
» Um and then it sounded like at the
earliest December for future state.

1607
02:14:48,159 --> 02:14:56,079
» Correct.
>> Right. So, so again, you know, we aren't

1608
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:59,840
going to be able to tell in September
based on the current number of future

1609
02:14:58,239 --> 02:15:03,920
projects that we have approved within
the city where that water tower is going

1610
02:15:02,079 --> 02:15:07,520
to be the best fit. Right?
>> Do you see what I'm saying?

1611
02:15:05,119 --> 02:15:12,079
» But, mayor, what we'll do is what that
September study will allow us to do is

1612
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:18,960
identify if we do have deficiencies or
needs. Therefore, is there a capital

1613
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:25,360
improvement program that would remedy
or provide solutions to those existing

1614
02:15:21,679 --> 02:15:30,639
problems. Next would be the ability to
start plugging in, you know, a potential

1615
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:36,719
new development here or there and seeing
how it would perform in our water system

1616
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:41,679
or if it would trigger any type of act,
you know, actions such as mitigating

1617
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:45,599
factors about, hey, we actually probably
need to go back and increase the line of

1618
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:51,679
this, you know, this main or tie this
and interop it or those type of things.

1619
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:56,800
That's what the Decemberish
uh master plan information will have the

1620
02:15:54,000 --> 02:16:01,679
ability to allow us in detail. But
September wise, it's simply going to

1621
02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:07,440
look at our existing distribution
system, see if there's weaknesses or

1622
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:13,199
deficiencies and what are those, you
know, what do we need to consider to

1623
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:20,520
possibly resolve those issues. So, as a
city without the ability to forward look

1624
02:16:16,159 --> 02:16:20,520
and knowing that we have

1625
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:28,079
low low periods now,
um you know, whether it be 22 PSI or

1626
02:16:26,284 --> 02:16:32,319
[clears throat and cough] 20 PSI, how
are we

1627
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:37,439
or how is the council supposed to make a
determination of as the new houses come

1628
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:41,120
online?
um you know and and we have

1629
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:43,840
neighborhoods under construction now
what the what the impact of that's going

1630
02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:48,479
to be how would you make that
determination give a recommendation to

1631
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:52,399
the council without a model
>> so mayor I think I've mentioned uh a few

1632
02:16:50,960 --> 02:16:57,920
times especially at the last council
meeting I don't believe we're close to

1633
02:16:54,080 --> 02:17:03,920
imminent peril I I think that
short of pounding my fist on the table

1634
02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:09,599
last city council meeting um I advocated
very heavily for u water conservation

1635
02:17:06,479 --> 02:17:13,359
particularly education. I repeated
myself far too many times during that

1636
02:17:11,679 --> 02:17:17,200
meeting and said the same thing over and
over again.

1637
02:17:15,120 --> 02:17:21,760
You're going to hear right now again. We
need to implement some water

1638
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:26,639
conservation education. I think that
would be the most appropriate step. It

1639
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:32,880
gets you your biggest bang for the buck.
Um is it immediate? No. Did we adjust

1640
02:17:30,479 --> 02:17:37,040
water rates and then people got a water
bill and did that have immediate impact

1641
02:17:34,880 --> 02:17:44,080
on how they functioned and conserve
their water? It did. I think that we

1642
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:49,760
have intelligent residents that could
understand um or could benefit from a

1643
02:17:47,439 --> 02:17:54,960
lot of these um water conservation
education tools that we could utilize.

1644
02:17:52,719 --> 02:17:58,559
That would get us
would carry us a long way. But I

1645
02:17:57,120 --> 02:18:03,040
certainly think that's a step that we
need to go down and pursue. And if it

1646
02:18:00,719 --> 02:18:06,080
doesn't work, then we pursue the next
step. And that's because you

1647
02:18:04,535 --> 02:18:11,040
[clears throat] actually start finding
people that are [snorts] violating

1648
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:16,880
particular rules that may be employees.
Um that's a much more drastic step, but

1649
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:20,960
education always seems to work. Um, we
talk about educating people on speed

1650
02:18:18,880 --> 02:18:26,160
limits and, you know, traffic safety
incidents and we do, you know, DUI

1651
02:18:24,319 --> 02:18:31,359
increased enforcement because it's
certain times of the year when that type

1652
02:18:27,920 --> 02:18:36,000
of activity happens. Well, how is water
conservation any different than any one

1653
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:38,559
of those separate stewardship programs?
>> Well, and I think believe it is.

1654
02:18:37,359 --> 02:18:41,760
» Yeah. part part of the problem that I
have and unfortunately without the city

1655
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:47,040
attorney here tonight, we can't have her
weigh in. But, you know, at what point

1656
02:18:44,319 --> 02:18:50,719
um you know, do fees become punitive and
now we're opening up the city to

1657
02:18:48,639 --> 02:18:54,800
liability? Um I I've said this before
and I'll say it again. Um you know,

1658
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:58,559
Idaho is one of the greatest states in
the country in terms of property rights.

1659
02:18:56,800 --> 02:19:02,080
Um you know, it's why councils are up
here. It's why we have the debates that

1660
02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:07,359
we have, especially on land use items.
Um you know, I'm able to do with my land

1661
02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:13,040
as I please. Um, and now you're going to
punish me because I have a small farm,

1662
02:19:10,559 --> 02:19:16,080
you know, an agricultural farm. Um, you
know, I provide for my family with a

1663
02:19:14,399 --> 02:19:20,559
garden in my backyard and I can't use as
much water and now I can't provide for

1664
02:19:17,599 --> 02:19:25,200
them. Um, you know, things like that.
Um, that I think that just leads down a

1665
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:28,960
concerning road from a city perspective
to where now I understand what you're

1666
02:19:27,439 --> 02:19:35,359
saying and you know, I made the
suggestion to Rick Pine earlier, right?

1667
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:39,200
you know, maybe Brookshshire can reduce
their water window and possibly even

1668
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:44,639
change it to in the evening. Maybe that
would make a a big difference. You know,

1669
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:49,120
um I I agree with you. Education is
important. Um I think we talked at the

1670
02:19:46,800 --> 02:19:52,880
last meeting, Leon, about you know, back
of water bill. Um you know, for the

1671
02:19:51,359 --> 02:19:54,640
people that read that, possibly an
article on the website, things like

1672
02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:59,040
that.
>> Do a flyer that goes out separate from

1673
02:19:56,720 --> 02:20:01,120
the water bill. But we have the ability
to do all those different things.

1674
02:20:00,800 --> 02:20:04,720
» Yeah.
>> Uh I just want to point out, mayor, you

1675
02:20:02,960 --> 02:20:10,319
you mentioned like not being able to do
what you want to do. Uh everybody has

1676
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:14,800
the choice of doing what they want to do
and there are different consequences to

1677
02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:18,479
our actions. If we want to use more
water and it costs more money, then we

1678
02:20:16,720 --> 02:20:24,479
can do that. If we don't want to do
that, we can do that, too. Uh we're not

1679
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:29,760
shutting off your meter at 20,000
gallons, right? Uh, nobody is saying

1680
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:34,479
that in a water conservation effort that
we're going to go out and shut off

1681
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:39,600
meters at 20, 50, or 100,000 gallons. It
simply isn't that. If you want to use

1682
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:42,880
more power in your home and turn on two
air conditioners rather than one, and

1683
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:47,439
you're willing to pay the bill for it,
you can. Absolutely. If you want to use

1684
02:20:45,760 --> 02:20:53,280
more water and you're willing to pay for
it, you can. Absolutely. Conservation is

1685
02:20:50,800 --> 02:20:59,359
an educational field. Nothing that I
said is fines or penalties. We don't

1686
02:20:56,479 --> 02:21:05,200
have an enforcement arm on this. Uh
paying for the fact that we need to have

1687
02:21:02,399 --> 02:21:10,479
more infrastructure to provide for
irrigation is realistic.

1688
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:15,359
It's not unrealistic to say if you want
to use 100,000 gallons, then you got to

1689
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:20,560
pay a higher premium because we have to
have extra wells and extra storage tanks

1690
02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:25,359
in order for you to be able to do that.
But isn't that typically accounted for

1691
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:29,120
at the time that the applicants come in
and want to do with their land? I mean,

1692
02:21:26,560 --> 02:21:32,880
isn't that the whole point of title 11,
which we're discussing?

1693
02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:36,800
» No, it's not. That title 11 is water
mitigation to make sure that there's

1694
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:42,240
water available to those citizens that
live there. Available is one thing as

1695
02:21:39,520 --> 02:21:45,600
how much they use of that water is a
completely different thing that is based

1696
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:50,080
off of the rates and how much you're
willing to pay for the water that you

1697
02:21:47,359 --> 02:21:53,600
receive. Everybody has that choice in
every single thing that we do. If you

1698
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:58,160
want to go to the grocery store and buy
donuts instead of broccoli, you can.

1699
02:21:56,319 --> 02:22:01,200
» Yeah. But in the same Sorry, Leon. In
the same argument, the people in the

1700
02:21:59,920 --> 02:22:07,120
city are doing what they want to do
already. They're paying the bills and

1701
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:11,439
the city is is arguably um having an
issue keeping up at certain times. So,

1702
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:15,200
so I mean, I think you're just really
kind of saying the same thing that I am,

1703
02:22:12,800 --> 02:22:19,439
that yep, we have a problem now. We need
a master plan. I understand that. Um, we

1704
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:23,120
need a hydraulic study completed so that
we can actually see what that is. We

1705
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:27,120
need it refined after that so that we
can see into the future. We can plug in

1706
02:22:24,960 --> 02:22:32,160
new neighborhoods and see what the
impact of those will be. Um, you know,

1707
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:36,319
Title 11 adds, you know, the the burden
on the developer to do things like that,

1708
02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:40,640
right? Traffic studies. Um, we we'll
talk about it a little bit more later.

1709
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:45,439
Um but you know at the at the end of the
day that doesn't solve our problem now

1710
02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:50,880
you know and the problem is that you
know I I am concerned in a in a fire

1711
02:22:49,200 --> 02:22:54,399
season we're going into another red flag
warning. Um in fact I think we're in it

1712
02:22:52,880 --> 02:23:00,800
now.
um you know that one fire is going to

1713
02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:03,439
catastrophically wipe out portions of
our city

1714
02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:10,640
» because we don't have the water pressure
to supply the firefighting agencies

1715
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:14,479
and and I know you know Northern Lakes
has done studies non- peak um I don't

1716
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:18,560
think any of those studies they've done
are during peak periods is that correct

1717
02:23:16,399 --> 02:23:22,000
Kevin or Chris
>> have they done any fire hydrant tests

1718
02:23:20,399 --> 02:23:26,560
during peak periods
>> the ones we did with JUB

1719
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:29,680
in the early morning in July. I don't
recall exactly weather, but

1720
02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:33,280
» that was last year.
>> Yeah, that was last year.

1721
02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:35,760
» All right. Sorry, I must have
misunderstood. I thought they said they

1722
02:23:34,560 --> 02:23:38,800
were
>> off peak seasons.

1723
02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:45,280
» They won't they won't flow hydrants
during the adverse weather type winter,

1724
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:50,560
spring, fall. They typically will want
to exercise those hydrants during those

1725
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:56,920
summer time. Okay.
>> Which I kind of

1726
02:23:53,920 --> 02:23:56,920
» Yeah.

1727
02:23:57,840 --> 02:24:03,560
» Was that Was that in the packet? Maybe I
missed it when those were done.

1728
02:24:03,920 --> 02:24:08,960
» Don't believe it was in the packet. I
don't think it was any of the material

1729
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:11,280
we provided on this time. We tried to
answer all the questions from the

1730
02:24:10,319 --> 02:24:13,439
council.
>> There were a lot of them.

1731
02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:17,600
» There were a lot of question.
>> What What did the city pay for that

1732
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:22,240
water city?
>> Uh Kevin, do you have the answer for

1733
02:24:19,600 --> 02:24:30,000
that? We we contracted with the water
study in March of 2025.

1734
02:24:25,760 --> 02:24:33,920
» Uh I don't remember the contract price.
>> Laura Laura, [laughter]

1735
02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:37,760
» what's the number?
>> It was

1736
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:42,640
over $200,000.
>> So with that in mind, wouldn't it be an

1737
02:24:39,439 --> 02:24:46,399
injustice to the citizens not to let
that complete the water study?

1738
02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:50,720
» I don't think anybody's suggesting that.
Well, we're we're talking about going

1739
02:24:47,840 --> 02:24:53,280
off their preliminary.
>> Yeah. That they said was not going to

1740
02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:56,000
change between the time they submitted
it and what they've already given us.

1741
02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:57,680
» I don't think
>> And why didn't they give it to us then?

1742
02:24:57,359 --> 02:25:00,960
And
>> yeah, why didn't they give it to

1743
02:24:59,200 --> 02:25:06,560
» I can't from a technical perspective, I
can't answer that. It's just, you know,

1744
02:25:03,840 --> 02:25:09,359
but can I can I interject something?
>> Well, we're we're talking back and

1745
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:13,840
forth, back and forth, back and forth
here.

1746
02:25:10,960 --> 02:25:18,960
That isn't going to change our our where
we're going to be on our moratorum.

1747
02:25:16,960 --> 02:25:22,240
We've already made a motion. We've
already had it seconded.

1748
02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:26,160
» And this is the discussion on
>> I understand, but what we're talking

1749
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:31,760
about isn't going to affect that. We've
been talking about that water study that

1750
02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:34,479
» I mean it it may not for you and I I
understand that you made the motion.

1751
02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:38,560
Your mind is set. This is the way that
it's going to be for your motion, right?

1752
02:25:36,319 --> 02:25:43,280
So, sorry Kevin, you had something else.
So, mayor, the one thing is, and we talk

1753
02:25:40,800 --> 02:25:48,880
about completion of the water master
plan, and the consultants made this

1754
02:25:45,760 --> 02:25:53,359
crystal clear to me, is
their their findings are going to be all

1755
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:59,600
or nothing. So, once they put their
engineering stamp on that that master

1756
02:25:56,479 --> 02:26:06,080
plan and sign it, that is what they're
going to stand by. Um whether or not

1757
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:12,080
things change between now and then, um
Lord, forgive me. I I haven't heard that

1758
02:26:08,800 --> 02:26:16,800
um from them saying that. Um you claim
that you have. I haven't. Um I work with

1759
02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:21,520
them
definitely more frequently than you do.

1760
02:26:18,880 --> 02:26:24,880
Um so I would tell you that they're
pretty going to be pretty adamant that

1761
02:26:23,359 --> 02:26:29,680
they're not going to make any
presentation with regards to any sort of

1762
02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:37,040
mitigation or representation of
deficiencies without finalizing

1763
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:44,080
um that report. and then that report
getting accepted by DEEQ. And that

1764
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:51,200
should be written down in my comments to
you in that long question and answers uh

1765
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:54,800
memo we have in in your council packet
as well.

1766
02:26:53,359 --> 02:27:00,479
So, I just want to be clear about that
because we we complain to developers and

1767
02:26:58,800 --> 02:27:04,479
contractors is making sure you're
working from the most current set of

1768
02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:08,080
drawings and a lot of those guys will
come out and have a set of drawings if

1769
02:27:06,479 --> 02:27:14,000
it doesn't have that engineering stamp
over and we bang them over the head.

1770
02:27:11,359 --> 02:27:19,359
Correct me if I'm wrong, but uh yeah,
that's kind of what we do. Um,

1771
02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:24,240
» which is why they're not here today.
>> No, they're later. Yeah. Well, if they

1772
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:27,120
were going to stand by their preliminary
report, then they would be here.

1773
02:27:25,920 --> 02:27:31,600
» Well, there's other reasons, but you'll
hear about that later.

1774
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:35,520
» Uh, it's out of scope of the contract.
>> What's that?

1775
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:40,720
» It's out of scope of our contract.
>> And Mr.

1776
02:27:37,840 --> 02:27:43,760
» uh, if we find that there is imminent
peril, we're going to have to fill this

1777
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:49,439
ordinance out.
>> And frankly, I would look to staff to to

1778
02:27:46,399 --> 02:27:53,120
help. we'd have to fill out section 2F
which states less restrictive

1779
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:56,160
alternatives. The city council has
considered the following less

1780
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:59,359
restrictive alternatives. Um if you're
looking on the sheet that we have here,

1781
02:27:57,280 --> 02:28:02,640
it's number seven. Um I'll start with
staff and then I would like to open it

1782
02:28:00,720 --> 02:28:08,800
up to council for it. But
>> so I just got to make sure is this

1783
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:12,319
directly to the motion that's currently
if we pass if we if I

1784
02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:16,160
» I don't think we're required to fill it
out right now. Uh Leon mentioned that

1785
02:28:15,040 --> 02:28:20,800
we're not
>> well I mentioned that if you if you

1786
02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:26,399
found that there is there's findings
that I would need to schedule a workshop

1787
02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:29,467
» said Mr. Mayor knows not.
>> Okay. And [snorts]

1788
02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:35,640
» but that would be part of the findings.

1789
02:28:36,960 --> 02:28:42,120
» And Lauran, can you restate the motion?

1790
02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:51,359
» Made a motion to deny the adoption of
the findings for imminent peril related

1791
02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:58,800
to water system pressure concerns for an
emergency moratorium ordinance until

1792
02:28:55,280 --> 02:29:03,000
receive the final water study.
>> Okay.

1793
02:28:59,920 --> 02:29:03,000
» Thank you.

1794
02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:11,240
» Any further discussion on denying the
consideration of adoption of findings?

1795
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:24,880
I'm sorry. I'm really trying to wrap my
head around what this says.

1796
02:29:22,319 --> 02:29:28,000
Consideration of adopting of findings of
imminent peril. So you're saying there

1797
02:29:26,319 --> 02:29:30,160
is no imminent peril.
>> Correct. That is exactly what I'm

1798
02:29:29,840 --> 02:29:32,640
saying.
>> Okay, perfect.

1799
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:39,359
» Larry, would you be able to Would you be
willing to amend the ending? You have

1800
02:29:34,640 --> 02:29:45,080
until the completion of the water study.
What is the completion? We've got

1801
02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:45,080
September. We've got December.

1802
02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:50,960
» I'll leave that. Kevin, what is your
opinion of the completion of the large

1803
02:29:49,040 --> 02:29:58,960
lead when they like you said when they
sign it or do you feel the hydraulic

1804
02:29:55,840 --> 02:30:04,319
the hydraulic uh computer programming
will help us in determining if if and

1805
02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:08,800
where the problems are
when I have a signed and sealed product.

1806
02:30:07,359 --> 02:30:10,560
That's what I consider
>> and that's what we're going to get in

1807
02:30:09,920 --> 02:30:12,080
September.
>> Yeah.

1808
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:16,319
» Okay.
>> Again, that'll go to DEQ. Um and they

1809
02:30:15,280 --> 02:30:20,479
will
review it. You know, generally they will

1810
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:25,120
accept it or if they have questions,
they will require us to

1811
02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:29,760
» I realize everything goes through DEEQ
and right now they're we're not poor

1812
02:30:28,479 --> 02:30:33,200
standing with them. So
>> I can't actually build things without

1813
02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:36,240
DEQ.
>> Yeah.

1814
02:30:34,880 --> 02:30:40,960
» Does that does that help?
>> So So to to simplify it, September

1815
02:30:39,840 --> 02:30:44,240
» when he gets it. Yeah.
>> When you get it, which is which is it's

1816
02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:47,840
expected to be September. anticipated to
be in se September.

1817
02:30:46,160 --> 02:30:52,479
» I'm okay with that. Yeah, about that.
>> Yes, September. [snorts]

1818
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:57,760
» So, change it to
end of September.

1819
02:30:54,560 --> 02:31:02,880
» No, the completion of our study when he
Kevin said when he gets a engineered

1820
02:30:59,600 --> 02:31:05,920
signed stamp notorized, here is your
contract.

1821
02:31:04,319 --> 02:31:09,943
» Yeah. Well, whatever. [laughter]
Yeah.

1822
02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:09,943
» Yeah. [snorts]

1823
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:17,640
And once you complete that, if you want
to take the role, Larry,

1824
02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:21,680
» Larry Sanders,
>> yes.

1825
02:31:20,720 --> 02:31:25,920
» Ken Owens,
>> yes.

1826
02:31:22,880 --> 02:31:28,080
» Matthew Surf,
>> yes.

1827
02:31:26,960 --> 02:31:33,840
» Laura F.
>> Yes.

1828
02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:36,800
» Motion passes. Moving on.
First of all, everybody good to keep

1829
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:41,359
going?
Okay. Um item number eight, new

1830
02:31:38,960 --> 02:31:46,240
business, a consideration of resolution
acknowledging preliminary water concerns

1831
02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:51,600
and directing staff.
>> Mr. Mayor, uh looking at this

1832
02:31:49,439 --> 02:32:00,120
resolution, there is a couple of things
that I want to point out. uh in this I'm

1833
02:31:54,479 --> 02:32:00,120
going to pull it up on the uh

1834
02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:06,439
there's a lot of bookmarks for the

1835
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:17,200
» I just had it too.
Oh, I'm trying to pull up that.

1836
02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:23,359
» So, on the on the resolution, uh,
initially it talks about what the city

1837
02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:28,640
has done uh recognizing cons uh concerns
weren't prompt attention and

1838
02:32:26,399 --> 02:32:36,240
professional continued professional
review being a primary item on this. So,

1839
02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:41,520
with this resolution, it's something
that they actually can take action now

1840
02:32:38,399 --> 02:32:45,600
and staff can be working on it now. Um
we understand and acknowledge that the

1841
02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:50,720
preliminary information provided to the
city by city's employed and contract

1842
02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:56,319
professionals including the city
engineer public works director and JB

1843
02:32:53,439 --> 02:33:01,920
engineering has identified concerns. So
the following things are the things that

1844
02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:07,520
we're getting direction from council to
do. Completion of the water master plan

1845
02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:13,120
on item two and [snorts] modeling.
Item three, prioritizing and budgeting

1846
02:33:10,720 --> 02:33:18,960
for needed water improvements. Again,
that's what we are trying to do at

1847
02:33:14,960 --> 02:33:23,600
passing budget. Uh reviewing water
capitalization fees. Once the master

1848
02:33:21,439 --> 02:33:29,439
plan is being completed, we'll review
and update our water capitalization

1849
02:33:25,840 --> 02:33:34,560
fees. This helps grow pay for the needed
capitalization improvements.

1850
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:39,439
uh continue monitoring, monitoring, and
water pressure readings, which we have

1851
02:33:36,240 --> 02:33:43,920
continued to do, coordinate with DEEQ
and the fire department. So, we'll be

1852
02:33:41,359 --> 02:33:50,160
working with DEQ, Northern Lakes Fire
Department to monitor our water system

1853
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:54,880
needs, water conservation efforts, um
providing education, uh for water

1854
02:33:53,359 --> 02:33:58,479
conservation,
and

1855
02:33:56,399 --> 02:34:01,760
addressing and focusing on education
first.

1856
02:33:59,920 --> 02:34:06,720
um
review of our water rate fee structures.

1857
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:11,680
Again, this is what we did. We were able
to do this last year and we saw a

1858
02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:18,560
reduction in water use of approximately
500,000 gallons per day. Uh so we could

1859
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:22,319
review those water fees and see if there
is an additional tier that needs to be

1860
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:26,720
added.
Education on landscaping requirements.

1861
02:34:24,720 --> 02:34:33,200
So although we do have a lot of green
space in our town, our code does not

1862
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:38,319
require uh grass on everything. We do
have the ability to do 50% green growing

1863
02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:43,200
material. That does not necessarily mean
grass. It could be bushes, it could be

1864
02:34:41,040 --> 02:34:50,960
flowers, it could be a lot of different
things. Um they also can do other green

1865
02:34:47,439 --> 02:34:56,399
growing material. Uh they can also do a
zero skate plan which we've adopted for

1866
02:34:53,120 --> 02:35:00,960
multiple years but has not had a single
individual present a plan for zero

1867
02:34:59,200 --> 02:35:06,080
skating at this particular point so we
can provide those indications.

1868
02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:11,200
Um this doesn't adopt the moratorum but
it does provide us with things that we

1869
02:35:08,880 --> 02:35:16,560
can do immediately that to help working
on the water conservation effort as well

1870
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:22,640
as continuing with the water master plan
and other things. So before you mayor

1871
02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:26,800
and council is this resolution for your
consideration?

1872
02:35:24,240 --> 02:35:32,560
» Uh
Leon just for my edification

1873
02:35:30,880 --> 02:35:36,560
what in this resolution are we not
already doing?

1874
02:35:34,160 --> 02:35:42,399
» So we have not looked at additional rate
fee structures. We have not put out

1875
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:47,600
information on water conservation.
We have not uh we have worked with the

1876
02:35:45,680 --> 02:35:55,600
fire department but we haven't worked
with DEEQ to this level. Um we have

1877
02:35:52,640 --> 02:36:02,022
ordinances on landscaping requirements
but we haven't provided education to the

1878
02:35:57,840 --> 02:36:05,520
public on what those entail. So uh
[clears throat] there are things that we

1879
02:36:03,680 --> 02:36:09,040
have done
uh with monitoring water pressure

1880
02:36:07,280 --> 02:36:12,720
readings and there are other things that
we have not done. So like the water

1881
02:36:10,880 --> 02:36:16,720
capitalization fee is going to come in
next and we're going to have to review

1882
02:36:14,160 --> 02:36:20,319
that and see where there's a majority of
this work is things that we still have

1883
02:36:18,560 --> 02:36:25,120
yet to do.
>> Okay.

1884
02:36:22,479 --> 02:36:27,280
» But things that are currently planned
>> and

1885
02:36:25,439 --> 02:36:32,960
» regardless of the resolution is is my
question. And then um and I know this is

1886
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:37,439
a question for Emily and
you know I'm I'm

1887
02:36:35,439 --> 02:36:42,800
not trying to direct the council in any
way but you know my concern is that you

1888
02:36:40,479 --> 02:36:49,760
know at some point
um our increase in water fees is going

1889
02:36:46,560 --> 02:36:54,479
to be considered punitive by
probably a business in Rather. you know,

1890
02:36:52,080 --> 02:36:59,920
being a lot of the people that use more
water than than most other people and

1891
02:36:57,600 --> 02:37:03,200
that that's going to leave lead to legal
trouble.

1892
02:37:00,479 --> 02:37:08,160
» Well, Mayor, we're not saying raise the
water fees. We're saying look at them,

1893
02:37:05,520 --> 02:37:12,560
review them, and present them. This
isn't saying that we're going to raise

1894
02:37:10,240 --> 02:37:16,720
them. Okay? That's still up to the
council to decide. and the

1895
02:37:13,840 --> 02:37:23,680
justifications when we come to you with
that if we come to you with that ask

1896
02:37:21,359 --> 02:37:30,240
it's still going to be up to the council
mind you when staff puts together a

1897
02:37:27,439 --> 02:37:36,000
alternate tier we would have to justify
that and we would have to present that

1898
02:37:32,560 --> 02:37:40,319
to you so that would be important to
consider when you're making that

1899
02:37:37,520 --> 02:37:45,040
consideration we have not done yet yet
what this is saying is we will review it

1900
02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:47,840
and we will work on it.
>> Nothing in this resolution says we will

1901
02:37:47,200 --> 02:37:50,840
adopt it.
>> Okay.

1902
02:37:50,960 --> 02:37:59,359
» So, this is more of a guide to steer
steers that direction.

1903
02:37:57,520 --> 02:38:01,280
» Yeah. You better stop saying that what
to do [laughter]

1904
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:04,720
if I can.
>> I couldn't resist that one.

1905
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:08,319
» One of the things that Matt said at the
last council meeting is he wants to be

1906
02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:09,600
able to do something now.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1907
02:38:09,120 --> 02:38:14,000
» Correct.
>> And this is great. Yeah. This is things

1908
02:38:11,359 --> 02:38:18,240
that we can start doing right now and we
can start doing this. Again, I'm not

1909
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:22,240
saying we haven't done anything. We have
been working on this non-stop for a year

1910
02:38:20,479 --> 02:38:26,960
and a half almost.
>> Okay? It's been on council meetings. It

1911
02:38:24,880 --> 02:38:32,000
has been talked about. Staff has
purchased new equipment to help us in

1912
02:38:29,120 --> 02:38:37,120
this process. Nothing is slowing down.
If anything, it just seems to be

1913
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:42,160
speeding up what we're doing. So this is
just direction to staff of what you want

1914
02:38:39,439 --> 02:38:46,000
us to do. If you want to add to this
resolution, we can add to this

1915
02:38:44,240 --> 02:38:49,680
resolution. If you want to subtract from
this resolution, we can subtract from

1916
02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:52,160
it. We just have to take really good
notes.

1917
02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:55,600
» Mr. Mayor,
>> uh,

1918
02:38:54,399 --> 02:38:56,800
we have questions or you want to make a
motion?

1919
02:38:55,920 --> 02:38:59,359
» I want to make a motion.
>> Can we see if anybody has questions

1920
02:38:58,960 --> 02:39:00,240
first?
>> Oh, okay.

1921
02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:02,160
» Is that all right?
>> Yeah. I thought we

1922
02:39:01,120 --> 02:39:05,840
» Laura, did you have questions about
this? Sorry,

1923
02:39:03,439 --> 02:39:08,000
» I do not. And then Larry, did you have
any other questions or No clarification?

1924
02:39:07,760 --> 02:39:13,040
I
>> I think it's a great idea, Matt.

1925
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:19,280
» Uh I do have questions. Um
the specifically uh see here

1926
02:39:16,240 --> 02:39:23,520
the last section of the sentence of the
first point here specifically related to

1927
02:39:21,120 --> 02:39:30,000
seasonal irrigation use. Does that need
to be in the resolution or can we just

1928
02:39:25,600 --> 02:39:32,080
notate that we have a uh water system
issue?

1929
02:39:30,399 --> 02:39:36,160
» Can you tell me what line item?
>> Uh it's one one.

1930
02:39:33,920 --> 02:39:38,399
» Okay. Thank you. There's a lot of stuff
in here.

1931
02:39:36,880 --> 02:39:44,520
» Yeah.
>> Um we can scratch that uh

1932
02:39:44,640 --> 02:39:52,160
identified concerning tendencies to
related to the city's water system. We

1933
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:59,000
could scratch if that's the will of the
council to scratch out specifically

1934
02:39:54,479 --> 02:39:59,000
related to seasonal irrigation usage.

1935
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:07,200
» Yeah.
Uh so

1936
02:40:05,359 --> 02:40:14,319
sorry any any other questions?
>> I do. Yes. Can we uh add somewhere in

1937
02:40:11,359 --> 02:40:18,880
here uh making sure that we have staff
available to respond during those peak

1938
02:40:16,720 --> 02:40:22,399
usage times? Oh no, we have the uh never
mind. We have the the system to be able

1939
02:40:20,800 --> 02:40:26,399
to 24/7.
Y

1940
02:40:24,160 --> 02:40:29,760
» um
when you're saying education, what what

1941
02:40:27,956 --> 02:40:31,920
[clears throat] type of education are
are we planning?

1942
02:40:30,560 --> 02:40:36,720
» We'll be looking at all sorts of types
of education, whether it's uh on the

1943
02:40:34,319 --> 02:40:42,560
back of the water bill, individual meter
uh individual flyers that go out to all

1944
02:40:39,200 --> 02:40:46,720
of the residents or property owners uh
in the city of Rather. uh website

1945
02:40:45,200 --> 02:40:51,359
information,
uh our news notices, and we putting

1946
02:40:49,760 --> 02:40:55,920
together every single form of
notification that we can do because not

1947
02:40:53,280 --> 02:41:00,640
everybody uses the same thing. Uh the
difficulty, I'll be blunt and honest,

1948
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:05,760
usually when a letter from the city of
Rather comes to your doorstep, it gets

1949
02:41:02,960 --> 02:41:11,120
put into the waistband. But we got to
try everything we can. And if that means

1950
02:41:08,560 --> 02:41:14,479
and includes that we find that it'd be
essential to even do like a news article

1951
02:41:12,960 --> 02:41:21,840
with quarterly press, we could do that
too. I'm not limiting the way education

1952
02:41:19,280 --> 02:41:25,120
is done. We will look at all areas of
education. Okay.

1953
02:41:22,720 --> 02:41:28,720
» Can we ensure to educate people how to
submit their water pressure issues

1954
02:41:27,359 --> 02:41:31,720
officially with the city?
>> Sure.

1955
02:41:32,800 --> 02:41:38,160
You know, too, Leon, I think word of
mouth will help too when you start

1956
02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:42,399
throwing stuff out there like the where
we're going to do odd days.

1957
02:41:40,240 --> 02:41:44,720
» I already saw on Facebook that uh that
we're doing it even though we haven't

1958
02:41:43,920 --> 02:41:49,200
done anything.
>> Of course. Yeah. So, people will talk

1959
02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:54,240
and people that don't necessarily Yeah.
look at stuff will hear about it. So, uh

1960
02:41:52,240 --> 02:42:00,800
» what was the request to add?
>> Um education on how to submit an issue

1961
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:07,359
with your water pressures.
>> Okay. I'll put uh we'll throw in a new

1962
02:42:03,920 --> 02:42:10,359
10 and push 10 all the way down. Um
education

1963
02:42:13,200 --> 02:42:16,741
I can do [clears throat]

1964
02:42:17,359 --> 02:42:21,000
» making a mental note.

1965
02:42:22,399 --> 02:42:29,040
» Is that everything you have? Yes,
>> Ken. So, I have one thing. I don't know

1966
02:42:26,720 --> 02:42:32,960
if it's possible, but in in case of a
fire either outside the city where

1967
02:42:30,880 --> 02:42:38,479
they're they're drawing water from a
hydrant, is it possible to take a water

1968
02:42:35,359 --> 02:42:42,160
reading at that time?
>> Uh, not on the fire hydrant. We have

1969
02:42:40,319 --> 02:42:45,680
» not not on the like the further most
point

1970
02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:48,560
like if they're drawing water, let's say
from Dashco,

1971
02:42:47,200 --> 02:42:51,600
» can we get a water reading at
Brookshire?

1972
02:42:49,760 --> 02:42:55,120
» Uh, we don't have any infrastructure out
there, but we could pull it off of our

1973
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:59,439
wells.
which fairly part of the part of the

1974
02:42:57,439 --> 02:43:02,399
problem that I I have with that is JUB
was pretty specific that no additional

1975
02:43:01,200 --> 02:43:06,479
measurements at this point are going to
change the hydraulic setting. So to

1976
02:43:04,080 --> 02:43:10,560
» we can do water testing which is part of
this resolution that we continue

1977
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:13,760
monitoring and water pressure readings.
>> Okay.

1978
02:43:11,120 --> 02:43:19,439
» So we can do water pressure readings
wherever we can. The difference is in

1979
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:23,920
Canon Deir's scenario is that if they're
pulling water pressure water out of a

1980
02:43:21,920 --> 02:43:27,920
fire hydrant, if we don't have the
pressure log already hooked to a fire

1981
02:43:25,680 --> 02:43:31,840
hydrant on the other side of town, we're
not going to measure that, right? We'd

1982
02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:36,399
have to know in advance that they were
going to pull do that. Now, in a fire

1983
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:40,479
situation, we wouldn't know any advance.
And a lot of those fires happen, you

1984
02:43:38,720 --> 02:43:44,160
know, in the middle of the night.
However, if they're doing a fire hydrant

1985
02:43:42,800 --> 02:43:47,600
testing and
>> what I'm saying is if we have something

1986
02:43:45,680 --> 02:43:52,479
that happens during the day
>> and they're they're pulling water from a

1987
02:43:49,439 --> 02:43:56,319
hydrant, can we go do a test on the
other side of town to see what the

1988
02:43:54,560 --> 02:44:00,319
pressure is at the pump?
>> We could conceivably do that, but like I

1989
02:43:58,479 --> 02:44:04,960
said, if we knew, you know, even if it
was after the fact, like we had a house

1990
02:44:02,160 --> 02:44:08,240
catch fire and two houses next door, you
know, did it. If I knew what time that

1991
02:44:06,640 --> 02:44:12,479
was, I could look at our scan and I
could see it over four different

1992
02:44:09,840 --> 02:44:14,080
locations areas and the reservoir as
well.

1993
02:44:13,040 --> 02:44:18,080
» All right,
>> that's good to know.

1994
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:25,920
» And I and I appreciate we're making
every concerted effort that we can as a

1995
02:44:22,000 --> 02:44:29,920
municipality to help resolve problems
and and work on it. We're doing all we

1996
02:44:28,240 --> 02:44:34,960
can. We're working on it and it'll get
there. So,

1997
02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:37,920
uh, now Larry, would you like to make a
motion?

1998
02:44:36,319 --> 02:44:40,399
» Can I throw Can I throw something out
real quick?

1999
02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:42,800
» Mr. Mayor,
>> go ahead.

2000
02:44:40,880 --> 02:44:46,720
» So,
I'm trying to help ease the idea of a

2001
02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:53,279
motion to capture everything that's gone
in here. So, if there was a motion that

2002
02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:59,200
approved the resolution striking
specifically related to seasonal

2003
02:44:55,439 --> 02:45:05,920
irrigation out of section one and adding
a new section on education on submitting

2004
02:45:02,800 --> 02:45:10,264
requests for water pressure testing.
>> Here you go, Matt. It's your it's your

2005
02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:13,680
uh
[laughter] motion.

2006
02:45:11,279 --> 02:45:20,319
» You make your motion. I'll second it.
>> Mr. Mayor,

2007
02:45:14,960 --> 02:45:24,880
» uh go ahead. I make a motion uh that we
first time for everything, right?

2008
02:45:23,200 --> 02:45:30,160
» Okay. I've
>> Can you can Oh, helps if I show you the

2009
02:45:28,479 --> 02:45:33,439
thing.
>> Oh, you got it. Uh no, it's not an

2010
02:45:31,920 --> 02:45:41,000
ordinance.
Next page on the back of it. Nope. On

2011
02:45:36,240 --> 02:45:41,000
the back of that page. There you go.

2012
02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:48,240
I move to approve and adopt the
resolution for uh acknowledging

2013
02:45:46,240 --> 02:45:53,359
preliminary water concerns and directing
staff striking

2014
02:45:50,720 --> 02:46:01,080
the
water irrigation issue and adding the

2015
02:45:57,439 --> 02:46:01,080
new number 10.

2016
02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:06,080
Educating
for submitting requests for water

2017
02:46:05,359 --> 02:46:10,240
pressure testing,
>> which is educating and submitting

2018
02:46:07,439 --> 02:46:11,760
requests for water submission. Water
pressure submission

2019
02:46:10,880 --> 02:46:15,040
» as Leon said.
>> As Leon said,

2020
02:46:13,279 --> 02:46:16,800
» Lauren, did you Sorry. Did you Did you
get that?

2021
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:21,520
» Are are you okay?
>> You got it. You got it. Thank you. And

2022
02:46:18,960 --> 02:46:24,560
Larry seconded. Um, any further
discussion?

2023
02:46:24,319 --> 02:46:28,880
I'm
>> good. All right, Lauren, you can take

2024
02:46:26,080 --> 02:46:32,560
the role.
>> Matt, sir. Yes. Mayor

2025
02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:34,479
» Sanders.
>> Yes.

2026
02:46:33,439 --> 02:46:36,399
» Laura Fuller.
>> Yes.

2027
02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:40,800
» Owens.
>> Yes.

2028
02:46:39,040 --> 02:46:45,279
» Right. Motion passes.
>> Uh moving on to 8B. This is an action

2029
02:46:43,520 --> 02:46:49,359
item consideration of authorizing the
mayor to execute contract amendment

2030
02:46:47,040 --> 02:46:54,080
number two with Jub Engineers
Incorporated for the water system master

2031
02:46:52,240 --> 02:46:59,600
plan update.
>> Mr. Mayor, um I'll do my best to try to

2032
02:46:56,319 --> 02:47:07,279
articulate what my mineral says and all
her few words. Um we had asked JB um or

2033
02:47:05,040 --> 02:47:14,960
city council had asked for JB to attend
tonight's city meeting and they had some

2034
02:47:11,920 --> 02:47:20,720
concerns. One, scope creep uh the fact
that it's outside of their uh existing

2035
02:47:17,680 --> 02:47:24,800
scope of work. Therefore, it would be
need to be complemented by, you know, a

2036
02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:33,680
supplementary agreement such as what is
in your packet. The next was just um not

2037
02:47:29,439 --> 02:47:40,160
knowing necessarily what the nature or
uh the preciseness of the questions were

2038
02:47:37,520 --> 02:47:44,319
um that city council may have um because
they could come from all different

2039
02:47:41,600 --> 02:47:49,680
angles. Therefore, the preparation that
they would need to do would need to be

2040
02:47:46,399 --> 02:47:53,439
extensive and it wouldn't and we're not
talking about just one person in their

2041
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:56,960
organization, probably their whole team
that's been working on our water master

2042
02:47:55,359 --> 02:48:05,279
plan.
Um, so that got me to thinking that one,

2043
02:48:01,200 --> 02:48:11,600
if they have to step back and prepare,
and then two, considerable added

2044
02:48:08,399 --> 02:48:14,960
expense, to me, those are two negative
things. And I definitely wanted to make

2045
02:48:13,200 --> 02:48:20,399
sure I point those out to city council
because now you're talking about

2046
02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:24,800
strong likelihood of delay of
deliverables [clears throat]

2047
02:48:21,680 --> 02:48:28,880
um for that which obviously tonight
seems to be paramount concern to get

2048
02:48:26,720 --> 02:48:33,600
that done as quickly as possible um
because the resources is now going to be

2049
02:48:30,720 --> 02:48:37,760
diverted to go backwards um and try to
prepare for a presentation that again

2050
02:48:36,479 --> 02:48:42,080
they're not necessarily [clears throat]
there yet because

2051
02:48:40,240 --> 02:48:45,520
premature they are going to come back
before city council. They'll come back

2052
02:48:43,840 --> 02:48:49,279
before city council once they come up
with all their findings um from their

2053
02:48:48,240 --> 02:48:53,200
deliverable product.
>> And sorry, Kevin, real real quick, I'm

2054
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:56,399
going to I'm going to ask you a pointed
question. What is the likelihood that

2055
02:48:55,040 --> 02:49:00,080
they would essentially just come back
and say the water study is not done. We

2056
02:48:58,880 --> 02:49:03,760
got to wait until it's done before we
can give you any definitive answers.

2057
02:49:01,600 --> 02:49:07,680
» That's a great point, Mr. Mayor. I'm
actually hoping you deny this one. So,

2058
02:49:05,600 --> 02:49:10,720
because I honestly think that's going to
be

2059
02:49:08,080 --> 02:49:16,800
» that's okay. [snorts]
Council, any questions?

2060
02:49:14,319 --> 02:49:22,800
» I was a question. [laughter]
>> I have a question.

2061
02:49:18,880 --> 02:49:27,120
» If we deny this, it's saying that they
will still have they're expecting to

2062
02:49:25,279 --> 02:49:30,800
come back in late September.
>> September.

2063
02:49:27,920 --> 02:49:36,319
» Okay. But if we pass this, it means they
will come in before.

2064
02:49:33,359 --> 02:49:40,720
But the but the but the completion of
the master plan would be de or that

2065
02:49:38,800 --> 02:49:44,800
hydraulic study could be delayed would
likely be delayed is the way I

2066
02:49:42,399 --> 02:49:48,080
» kind of feels like we'd ask them to come
back and there'd be some questions

2067
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:53,840
they'd answer and some they plead the
fifth because they can't

2068
02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:59,760
provide exactness to the level or the
type of question that may be asked.

2069
02:49:56,080 --> 02:50:04,720
» So all that preparation one cost us a
lot of money to do. it's I can't

2070
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:10,080
quantify what that scope of work is and
two uh if they're diverting their time

2071
02:50:07,680 --> 02:50:15,359
and you know their time allocation
towards that and not the actual product

2072
02:50:13,200 --> 02:50:19,520
then we're looking at significant delays
in deliverables. So

2073
02:50:17,279 --> 02:50:23,120
» and and yeah you you hit two nails on
the head there the compensation that

2074
02:50:21,920 --> 02:50:27,279
we're going to have to give them we have
no idea what it's going to be.

2075
02:50:24,880 --> 02:50:32,240
» But engineers aren't cheap number one.
Number two, they want the questions a

2076
02:50:29,200 --> 02:50:35,359
week in advance. So that delays it way
beyond because by the time we can figure

2077
02:50:33,920 --> 02:50:38,800
out the questions we want to do, we're
going to be in the middle of September

2078
02:50:36,720 --> 02:50:41,439
anyway. So why don't we just
>> forgo this?

2079
02:50:39,680 --> 02:50:44,640
» I think I think the mayor asked the best
question and best answer I gave to him

2080
02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:47,600
was I hope you deny it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]

2081
02:50:46,640 --> 02:50:50,640
» Laura, go ahead.
>> My question is I don't understand. Does

2082
02:50:49,120 --> 02:50:53,920
this mean they're definitely coming back
or that we have the option of

2083
02:50:52,240 --> 02:50:58,720
» No, this so so
>> before.

2084
02:50:55,439 --> 02:51:02,319
Yes. So, they are definitely coming back
>> when it's done.

2085
02:51:00,479 --> 02:51:05,439
» This gives us an option of having them
come back a little bit sooner, but as

2086
02:51:03,840 --> 02:51:07,840
Kevin said, they're very likely just to
tell us, "Listen, until it's done, we

2087
02:51:06,800 --> 02:51:10,640
can't really give you any definitive
answers."

2088
02:51:08,880 --> 02:51:11,920
» That's about 6 weeks from now.
>> Yeah.

2089
02:51:11,359 --> 02:51:16,160
» Yeah.
>> So, remember last meeting we said we

2090
02:51:13,840 --> 02:51:20,640
want fire department here and all that.
This is what this resulted from us

2091
02:51:18,399 --> 02:51:23,840
asking them to come back to answer
questions and

2092
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:26,880
» it's going to cost us a lot of money and
I think it's moot. I think we should

2093
02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:30,640
Anyway,
>> is there a motion?

2094
02:51:29,520 --> 02:51:35,040
» Mr. Mayor,
>> Larry,

2095
02:51:31,439 --> 02:51:40,399
» I make a motion that we deny the
consideration of authorizing you to

2096
02:51:37,200 --> 02:51:45,279
execute a contract amendment number two
with JUB Engineers Incorporated for the

2097
02:51:42,720 --> 02:51:50,080
water system master plan update.
>> Is there a second? A second. And

2098
02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:52,160
discussion.
>> Right. Lauren, if you'll take the role,

2099
02:51:51,600 --> 02:51:53,439
please.
>> Sanders.

2100
02:51:52,960 --> 02:51:55,920
» Yes.
>> Matthew Sar. Yes.

2101
02:51:55,120 --> 02:51:57,120
» Can
>> Yes.

2102
02:51:56,479 --> 02:52:00,720
» Or
>> yes.

2103
02:51:58,720 --> 02:52:04,720
» Thank you guys. Are we good to move on
to the next item or do we need a quick

2104
02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:11,120
recess?
>> All right. Uh item 8 C. This is an

2105
02:52:09,040 --> 02:52:17,200
action item consideration of adopting an
ordinance adding new code to title 11

2106
02:52:14,240 --> 02:52:22,000
adequate public facilities.
Mr. Mayor and council, before you is

2107
02:52:19,120 --> 02:52:26,240
title 11. We have had a number of
workshops with both planning and zoning

2108
02:52:24,000 --> 02:52:33,200
and with the city council in putting
this together. This is the code that

2109
02:52:28,800 --> 02:52:37,760
requires developers to study out the
public facilities and the infrastructure

2110
02:52:35,279 --> 02:52:45,760
that is needed prior to the development
of any subdivision. Um they would have

2111
02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:51,520
to check on traffic studies, water, uh
sewer, um parks, all of our

2112
02:52:49,279 --> 02:52:57,279
infrastructure projects and require them
to produce reports so that they could

2113
02:52:54,240 --> 02:53:02,720
then mitigate those if needed or show
the council that we have adequate

2114
02:52:59,120 --> 02:53:08,640
infrastructures available. Uh, I am
limited on my ability to answer the

2115
02:53:05,520 --> 02:53:12,840
questions, but I am here to entertain
any questions that you may have.

2116
02:53:14,479 --> 02:53:21,000
This is an ordinance motion, so it's the
three parts.

2117
02:53:31,840 --> 02:53:37,040
I am sure there are questions and
discussion. Council,

2118
02:53:35,439 --> 02:53:41,279
» oh, it's just so complex.
>> Mr. Mayor, if I could add just a little

2119
02:53:38,800 --> 02:53:45,439
bit to this. Um,
>> sure. [clears throat]

2120
02:53:43,359 --> 02:53:49,840
» To the council, don't expect perfection
by what's in front of you as far as

2121
02:53:47,279 --> 02:53:54,560
code. Um, this is our best effort to
date. Um, this is not going to be the

2122
02:53:52,880 --> 02:53:59,439
first or the last code that you ever
amend. Every time we amend a code, we

2123
02:53:56,880 --> 02:54:03,200
try to make things better um with doing
that from a learning curve type

2124
02:54:01,040 --> 02:54:07,120
perspective. So, [snorts]
I appreciate that you might want to bet

2125
02:54:05,359 --> 02:54:11,760
through a lot of this. We've gone
through it as staff level. Uh but again,

2126
02:54:09,760 --> 02:54:17,120
don't per don't expect perfection.
Expect this especially being relatively

2127
02:54:14,000 --> 02:54:21,760
new to constantly be, you know, upgraded
as we start going through things and,

2128
02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:24,800
you know, running this through the
basically running it through the dollar.

2129
02:54:23,520 --> 02:54:29,760
So
>> the big difference is it adopts

2130
02:54:27,680 --> 02:54:33,279
something that we don't have.
>> It's definitely a step in the right

2131
02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:37,040
direction. Is absolutely right about
that.

2132
02:54:34,399 --> 02:54:41,120
» So that that's a good point, but this
wouldn't be beneficial to table till

2133
02:54:39,439 --> 02:54:44,880
Emily's here to answer questions or do
you think we should?

2134
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:47,920
» We could just asked to have it on this
agenda because we've [laughter] been

2135
02:54:46,240 --> 02:54:52,000
kicking this can down the road quite a
bit. Emily's Emily's the one that

2136
02:54:50,000 --> 02:54:56,479
interviewed us to get our input on that
and she compiled our answers and put

2137
02:54:54,080 --> 02:55:02,160
this together.
>> Okay. And we also did a workshop with

2138
02:54:58,640 --> 02:55:10,399
council in December. That was the was
the big push to get this done. And these

2139
02:55:06,960 --> 02:55:16,800
all of these came from council,
mayor and council's comments at that

2140
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:21,840
time um to push forward on this piece of
uh code.

2141
02:55:19,200 --> 02:55:27,760
And as staff uh we think it's important
that we adopt this code so that we can

2142
02:55:24,080 --> 02:55:34,479
start pushing on the developers to
provide adequate studies and act

2143
02:55:30,560 --> 02:55:39,439
adequate uh reassurances to the council
and to the public that the

2144
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:44,479
infrastructure in the city is not going
to be harmed or detrimented by

2145
02:55:42,160 --> 02:55:47,640
additional subdivisions getting added to
the city.

2146
02:55:49,520 --> 02:55:58,720
Uh, [clears throat]
so Kevin, I think this is a question to

2147
02:55:53,279 --> 02:56:03,279
you. Um, you know, I'm looking at
1115 mitigation me measures,

2148
02:56:01,520 --> 02:56:10,560
specifically municipal water, and it
mentions the water master plan here.

2149
02:56:07,359 --> 02:56:16,080
Um, I can't help but wonder if we should
have some sort of a

2150
02:56:13,359 --> 02:56:22,560
bookmark on how old that master plan can
be um, prior to it being applicable

2151
02:56:19,760 --> 02:56:30,160
anymore. So, I guess for example, we're
we're currently in the process of

2152
02:56:25,760 --> 02:56:36,399
completing a water master plan. Um, how
often are we required by law to have

2153
02:56:32,399 --> 02:56:40,640
that done or are we?
>> Good standard of care as far as practice

2154
02:56:38,880 --> 02:56:45,600
on updating the master plan. So, we try
to turn those over every 5 years.

2155
02:56:43,439 --> 02:56:49,439
» Okay. And have we had a water master
plan completed in the last 5 years?

2156
02:56:47,040 --> 02:56:53,120
» Well, you know that answer. No,
>> I do. But

2157
02:56:50,960 --> 02:56:58,240
» you know that answer, we haven't. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. So,

2158
02:56:56,560 --> 02:57:01,040
» is there is there a legal requirement? I
know you said that's kind of a best

2159
02:56:59,359 --> 02:57:04,479
practice, but there's no legal
requirement to have a master plan.

2160
02:57:02,479 --> 02:57:10,880
» There is no legal requirement unless the
city council adopts a code that that

2161
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:16,399
puts that legal standard on us. Now, in
things like comprehensive plan, it is

2162
02:57:14,160 --> 02:57:21,120
required by state law to be reviewed
every five years. It doesn't mean that

2163
02:57:18,319 --> 02:57:25,680
it has to change every five years. So,
if the council wanted to adopt something

2164
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:29,600
like that in a future code amendment,
not necessarily in this one because we

2165
02:57:27,840 --> 02:57:35,120
have plenty of time, the water studies
getting turned over to us in a month or

2166
02:57:31,680 --> 02:57:40,800
so, uh, but if the council wants to
adopt that water master plans, sewer

2167
02:57:37,520 --> 02:57:45,760
master plans, traffic master plans, uh,
park master plans, uh, have to be

2168
02:57:44,240 --> 02:57:52,479
reviewed
every five years, then you could do that

2169
02:57:49,439 --> 02:57:57,680
in a separate piece the code and uh we
could have a code that says that and

2170
02:57:54,560 --> 02:58:02,399
then we could say okay every five years
we come to the council and say we have

2171
02:58:00,399 --> 02:58:06,560
reviewed it we think it's adequate or we
think we need to change or council can

2172
02:58:04,240 --> 02:58:11,120
tell us that we need to change it and we
can do that but it creates a trigger

2173
02:58:08,479 --> 02:58:15,920
point for us for a five-year period to
look at those things

2174
02:58:13,200 --> 02:58:19,279
but it wouldn't have to be part of this
code

2175
02:58:17,439 --> 02:58:23,279
» but if the council wanted to they could
add

2176
02:58:21,040 --> 02:58:29,120
um and I'm I'm looking at the second
bullet under uh

2177
02:58:26,240 --> 02:58:35,439
sorry 1115A municipal water the second
bullet um at the end there or if

2178
02:58:32,960 --> 02:58:41,319
required by the water master plan they
could add verbiage which has been

2179
02:58:36,880 --> 02:58:41,319
completed in the last five years

2180
02:58:41,359 --> 02:58:46,720
and and that would create a requirement
basically from a city perspective that

2181
02:58:45,359 --> 02:58:50,479
the water master plan would need to have
been updated in the last five years for

2182
02:58:48,160 --> 02:58:56,560
this. Mayor, I really like what Leon had
to say as far as at least reviewing it

2183
02:58:53,200 --> 02:59:00,399
uh to make sure that it's let's say hear
me out. Let's say we have absolutely no

2184
02:58:58,560 --> 02:59:05,439
growth whatsoever in the city rather
than zero flatline. Maybe we drop off.

2185
02:59:04,080 --> 02:59:10,000
Are you going to want to spend the money
to go through a water master plan update

2186
02:59:07,600 --> 02:59:14,640
considering that that is the trend?
Probably not. It's probably not a good

2187
02:59:11,920 --> 02:59:18,399
use of financial resources. However,
with what Leon suggested is at least

2188
02:59:16,720 --> 02:59:22,640
we're going to go back and make sure we
check the boxes on reviewing that type

2189
02:59:20,960 --> 02:59:28,960
of information and have that
conversation at that time, but it's not

2190
02:59:25,040 --> 02:59:34,080
a shall occur but type of thing.
>> Well, we could we could that that it has

2191
02:59:32,000 --> 02:59:37,120
been reviewed and approved by the city
council

2192
02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:42,160
» every five years.
>> I I think I'd be fine with

2193
02:59:40,080 --> 02:59:46,080
» Would that cover both of your
requirements there? Number one, it it

2194
02:59:44,000 --> 02:59:50,960
creates a an expectation that it would
be done at least reviewed every 5 years.

2195
02:59:48,399 --> 02:59:53,279
» Yeah. I I think that's identical to what
Leon just said.

2196
02:59:51,920 --> 02:59:56,720
» Okay.
>> Yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong.

2197
02:59:54,640 --> 03:00:00,800
» Yeah. And I would I would need to make
sure that the legal mumbo jumbo on that

2198
02:59:58,960 --> 03:00:05,600
is accurate. So, we [laughter] get to
have a motion

2199
03:00:02,080 --> 03:00:09,439
» to add that and we could bring it back
>> so that we have it for you. I'd rather

2200
03:00:07,600 --> 03:00:15,680
make sure that we have it correctly
worded to meet all legal requirements

2201
03:00:12,560 --> 03:00:20,560
because as I've seen over the years, you
change one thing, you've got to amend or

2202
03:00:18,080 --> 03:00:22,399
change other things to match.
>> Yeah.

2203
03:00:20,960 --> 03:00:24,800
» And if there's something in our code
that says differently, we don't want to

2204
03:00:24,000 --> 03:00:28,240
have conflicting
>> codes. So, should we adopt it as written

2205
03:00:27,439 --> 03:00:32,000
right now?
>> If you want to adopt it as written and

2206
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:36,240
we can propose a new amendment, that's
fine. I either way is fine. where we

2207
03:00:34,479 --> 03:00:42,399
could table it and bring it back at the
next meeting uh with possible amendments

2208
03:00:39,680 --> 03:00:45,680
in the council suggesting tonight.
>> The next meeting is going to be a

2209
03:00:43,840 --> 03:00:48,000
marathon again. I think
>> next meeting is the budget hearing.

2210
03:00:47,120 --> 03:00:55,840
» Lori, you have questions?
>> Yeah, Mr. there. I I did look at this uh

2211
03:00:52,479 --> 03:01:01,359
title and there were a few things that
stood out to me that I felt like I

2212
03:00:59,680 --> 03:01:06,640
wanted to make some recommendations
about for about closing any potential

2213
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:12,800
loopholes that might be there. I don't
have that information with me right now.

2214
03:01:08,960 --> 03:01:17,920
Um but I at the same time I think it's
important to pass it, but I definitely

2215
03:01:14,880 --> 03:01:20,000
want the option of revisiting it soon.
Well, I mean the council has that option

2216
03:01:19,359 --> 03:01:23,200
at any time.
>> We can always make amendments. Yeah.

2217
03:01:22,160 --> 03:01:29,040
» That's the wonderful thing about
legislation. You make the rules and we

2218
03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:34,960
work on fine-tuning those rules. As
Kevin mentioned before,

2219
03:01:32,399 --> 03:01:38,399
» my my recommend and you know, I think I
already said this, but my recommendation

2220
03:01:36,160 --> 03:01:43,359
would be to add to that section the
water master plan which has been

2221
03:01:40,080 --> 03:01:46,640
reviewed and um approved by city council
in the last five years.

2222
03:01:45,040 --> 03:01:51,120
» Okay. [clears throat]
But mayor, would you want to do that in

2223
03:01:48,720 --> 03:01:55,840
the sewer master plan, in the traffic
master plan? And that that's my point in

2224
03:01:54,000 --> 03:01:58,319
saying take it to Emily. Make sure you
got things right because you don't want

2225
03:01:57,120 --> 03:02:02,160
to say
>> we have a higher bar on the water master

2226
03:02:00,160 --> 03:02:05,840
plan but a lower bar on everything else.
>> Yeah. And I mean being completely

2227
03:02:04,479 --> 03:02:09,600
honest, part of the problem that we have
is that, you know, our water master plan

2228
03:02:08,240 --> 03:02:13,439
has not kept up with the growth of the
city, right? So when when was it

2229
03:02:12,240 --> 03:02:17,200
actually completed? I don't remember off
the top of my head.

2230
03:02:14,479 --> 03:02:21,200
» Just a few months ago. No, [laughter]
>> you wish.

2231
03:02:19,120 --> 03:02:24,600
» That was our water sewer study. I was I
was thinking of

2232
03:02:26,720 --> 03:02:30,560
» so really kind of right at this peak of
the

2233
03:02:29,200 --> 03:02:33,760
» where we're starting to go up, right?
>> Yeah.

2234
03:02:32,720 --> 03:02:37,920
2008.
>> Yeah, I think it predates Kevin

2235
03:02:37,439 --> 03:02:40,800
» or so.
>> I started in 2008

2236
03:02:40,399 --> 03:02:43,800
later.
>> Correct.

2237
03:02:43,840 --> 03:02:50,000
» Well, I'm not making the motion. So that
is up to but

2238
03:02:48,319 --> 03:02:54,720
» we can I think we can review that later
and add it to it. You know like Leon

2239
03:02:52,399 --> 03:02:58,399
said we're going to have to change a lot
of the wording.

2240
03:02:56,080 --> 03:03:03,120
I I was I was just saying the one my
suggestion was your suggestion

2241
03:03:00,160 --> 03:03:11,120
» um to add to
um 1115

2242
03:03:06,479 --> 03:03:14,960
a the second bullet um or if required by
the water master plan which was which

2243
03:03:13,279 --> 03:03:20,720
has been reviewed and approved by the
council in the last 5 years

2244
03:03:18,080 --> 03:03:26,080
» that was 1115
>> in the second a in the second board.

2245
03:03:23,680 --> 03:03:33,279
» Mr. Mayor, can I ask a question?
>> Sure.

2246
03:03:28,640 --> 03:03:37,920
» Let's just say we didn't have it done.
What would that do to this ordinance?

2247
03:03:36,000 --> 03:03:44,319
Does that mean that they don't have to
do water mitigations because we haven't

2248
03:03:40,720 --> 03:03:49,279
reviewed and approved a master plan?
That's again I would rather legal take a

2249
03:03:47,439 --> 03:03:53,439
look at this and see what the unintended
consequences of that statement is

2250
03:03:51,760 --> 03:04:00,080
» before
we throw it on as a quick amendment to

2251
03:03:57,120 --> 03:04:05,600
this. Because my problem is if you say
well we haven't reviewed and adopted it.

2252
03:04:02,800 --> 03:04:09,439
Does that in in in [snorts]
light of that does that mean well

2253
03:04:07,920 --> 03:04:14,800
because you have it I don't have to
complete this

2254
03:04:11,520 --> 03:04:19,680
» and the unintended consequences and the
other part mayor that I'm struggling

2255
03:04:16,240 --> 03:04:26,399
with is the review and approve process.
>> I'm not sure council is in the approval

2256
03:04:23,200 --> 03:04:31,520
status of that rather the acceptance of
those master plans. it could be yeah

2257
03:04:29,520 --> 03:04:34,960
reviewed and accepted
>> and and again you know

2258
03:04:32,960 --> 03:04:37,920
» that's something that legally can get
cleared up. It's kind of an important

2259
03:04:37,120 --> 03:04:42,319
word. So
>> yeah and the and the council's decision

2260
03:04:39,520 --> 03:04:45,840
is adopt it tonight so that we have
something

2261
03:04:43,920 --> 03:04:49,933
» um and then potentially bring it back at
the next meeting or or a future meeting

2262
03:04:48,560 --> 03:04:52,880
right to make further modifications.
[clears throat]

2263
03:04:50,880 --> 03:04:56,800
» Yeah. Well and and quite honestly mayor
you're talking about a fiveyear window.

2264
03:04:54,800 --> 03:05:00,800
I'm not trying to push kick the can down
five years, but anytime between now and

2265
03:04:59,120 --> 03:05:04,240
five years, we could put that in there
and we'd still be compliant with your

2266
03:05:03,520 --> 03:05:07,439
suggestion.
>> Yeah. And I and I don't know what the

2267
03:05:05,760 --> 03:05:11,439
immediate ramifications of that would
be. And I I agree with you that, you

2268
03:05:09,200 --> 03:05:16,240
know, we should um we should have the
city attorney take a look at it,

2269
03:05:14,080 --> 03:05:22,800
» you know, but I
>> can we approve this with a commitment to

2270
03:05:19,840 --> 03:05:26,479
have a workshop um and make amendments
to it within the next

2271
03:05:25,040 --> 03:05:30,960
month.
>> Well, this is an ordinance, not

2272
03:05:29,120 --> 03:05:34,800
something else. So, basically, if you
pass an ordinance, it goes into effect

2273
03:05:32,960 --> 03:05:40,319
as soon as it's published.
>> The other idea is just

2274
03:05:37,359 --> 03:05:46,479
» as if you want to give a direction to
staff to work on possible amendments

2275
03:05:43,840 --> 03:05:51,920
entailing X, Y, and Z. I'd like to get
that from all of you before we schedule

2276
03:05:49,040 --> 03:05:57,520
something. And then it depending on
workloads because right now I haven't

2277
03:05:54,960 --> 03:06:03,439
done anything but water pressure stuff
for three days not even working on my

2278
03:05:59,920 --> 03:06:07,279
city hall project. So workloads is
important in scheduling that time. So

2279
03:06:05,120 --> 03:06:12,800
setting a time certain doesn't take into
consideration what's on people's plates.

2280
03:06:10,479 --> 03:06:18,000
making a request for those, drafting
them up, preparing them for a workshop,

2281
03:06:15,279 --> 03:06:23,520
may take two weeks, may take a month,
but we can do that at the direction of

2282
03:06:20,240 --> 03:06:28,000
council. And so we need your commitment
to get what you would like to do so we

2283
03:06:25,760 --> 03:06:33,120
can start crafting. That would be more
on you guys to how long it takes you

2284
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:38,080
guys to put that together. setting us up
with a one month or a six week time

2285
03:06:35,439 --> 03:06:42,720
frame puts us behind the eightball if
you guys don't get it to us until four

2286
03:06:40,080 --> 03:06:47,120
weeks out. Do you see what I'm saying?
So, it'd be better to adopt the

2287
03:06:44,479 --> 03:06:52,240
ordinance as is and work with staff on
corrections and edits and getting

2288
03:06:49,680 --> 03:06:57,040
workshops together, but not necessarily
tying to this ordinance because if we

2289
03:06:54,240 --> 03:06:59,760
don't do it in six weeks,
the ordinance still goes through.

2290
03:06:58,720 --> 03:07:03,359
» Yeah.
So it it doesn't need to be part of the

2291
03:07:01,680 --> 03:07:06,240
motion. The motion would solely be for
the ordinance itself

2292
03:07:04,160 --> 03:07:09,920
» just to approve as is and then
>> Okay.

2293
03:07:08,479 --> 03:07:13,520
» Yes. M
>> um I I have one question. I have I have

2294
03:07:12,000 --> 03:07:19,439
a whole bunch of questions that I I sent
over to Emily and she in part answered

2295
03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:23,439
some of them. But um
if the the simulated hydraulic model is

2296
03:07:21,600 --> 03:07:30,399
unavailable, then traditional hydraulic
modeling may be used. It is unavailable

2297
03:07:26,399 --> 03:07:35,279
as in I it's it's broken, it's down, I'm
in the field and it's not available for

2298
03:07:32,240 --> 03:07:38,960
me right now. I lost my password. What
is unavailable?

2299
03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:44,640
» So, I'm going to ask you in a couple
different ways. One, we're implementing

2300
03:07:41,680 --> 03:07:50,800
a fee. It's a passalong fee for a
developer to pay for those individual

2301
03:07:47,200 --> 03:07:56,000
type water system analysis.
So, that's part of the fee structure

2302
03:07:53,200 --> 03:08:00,000
that we're implementing. So if Chris is
out in the field or if I'm out in the

2303
03:07:57,520 --> 03:08:04,800
field, it's not a oneman show type of
thing. We would hand it off to a

2304
03:08:01,600 --> 03:08:13,040
consultant, which would be a company. Um
beating down means maybe there's a cyber

2305
03:08:08,000 --> 03:08:18,319
attack. Computers are obsolete. AI is,
you know, I don't know. Um but that's

2306
03:08:15,680 --> 03:08:21,319
kind of what I anticipate that meeting.
Um

2307
03:08:24,640 --> 03:08:30,319
You have more questions? I
>> They're not relevant tonight.

2308
03:08:28,960 --> 03:08:35,200
» Okay.
>> I just wanted to ask you what was your

2309
03:08:31,760 --> 03:08:38,560
concern about that that it would be
misused or

2310
03:08:36,319 --> 03:08:42,960
» Yeah, potentially misused um if it's
easier to do one than the other. We can

2311
03:08:40,800 --> 03:08:45,680
utilize the unavailable aspect of things
>> if one is more complimentary to a

2312
03:08:44,720 --> 03:08:51,359
project than the other.
>> I I would much rather not do hand

2313
03:08:48,160 --> 03:08:54,800
calculations. I I went to college a long
time ago and

2314
03:08:53,680 --> 03:09:01,359
I'd have to
>> Well, would it open it up to

2315
03:08:57,200 --> 03:09:05,279
um ability to use a another model versus
hand calculations?

2316
03:09:03,040 --> 03:09:09,120
» No, I mean I could certainly do it.
>> And would that be that would be you that

2317
03:09:07,279 --> 03:09:13,040
that's doing it?
>> Uh you would have to be someone who's

2318
03:09:11,040 --> 03:09:16,080
licensed as a professional engineer.
Yes. It wouldn't necessarily have to be

2319
03:09:14,399 --> 03:09:21,040
me.
So, so again, if that engineer chose a

2320
03:09:18,319 --> 03:09:24,399
more complimentary model to use, they
would have that option based on the way

2321
03:09:22,960 --> 03:09:27,600
it's worded. Now,
>> if I'm understanding your question,

2322
03:09:26,080 --> 03:09:31,920
» more
limited uh because of the amount of

2323
03:09:30,319 --> 03:09:36,240
parameters that you could set with the
actual computer simulated model.

2324
03:09:34,240 --> 03:09:39,120
» I don't know. AI is cracking stuff out
pretty quick these days. I don't know

2325
03:09:37,760 --> 03:09:45,840
that I wouldn't be able to develop a
model in AI, even as a layman at this

2326
03:09:41,760 --> 03:09:50,319
point. Are are you employ the hackers?
>> No, but I'm not I'm not an engineer

2327
03:09:48,000 --> 03:09:53,200
working for a company whose job it is to
come up with the least common

2328
03:09:51,680 --> 03:09:55,920
denominator, if we will, since we're
talking mathematics here.

2329
03:09:54,240 --> 03:10:00,399
» Are are you implying like having your
house appraised and tell the appraiser,

2330
03:09:57,920 --> 03:10:03,439
I need it at 400,000 and it's only worth
350. Are you implying that that that

2331
03:10:02,880 --> 03:10:06,880
could happen?
>> No, I don't I didn't hear.

2332
03:10:04,720 --> 03:10:11,920
» That isn't what you meant. That could be
>> We We don't do We don't do things

2333
03:10:10,000 --> 03:10:15,439
subjectively. No, no, no. I'm just
saying I thought that might have been

2334
03:10:13,760 --> 03:10:21,600
question mark. So, okay.
>> No, not a figures lie liars figure type

2335
03:10:18,160 --> 03:10:26,120
thing. No, not that at all.
>> Oh, I got my figure all the time.

2336
03:10:27,200 --> 03:10:35,520
» Uh, hold on. Uh, any other questions?
>> No.

2337
03:10:32,399 --> 03:10:37,279
» Ken. Laura. All right. Larry, you want
to make a motion?

2338
03:10:36,240 --> 03:10:44,000
» Mr. Mayor,
>> go ahead. I make a motion that the

2339
03:10:42,000 --> 03:10:48,880
um
consideration of adopting an ordinance

2340
03:10:46,000 --> 03:10:54,000
adding new code to title 11 adequate
public facilities be placed on its first

2341
03:10:51,520 --> 03:10:59,040
reading by title only under suspension
of the rules and to wave its second and

2342
03:10:56,880 --> 03:11:00,800
third readings.
>> Is there a second?

2343
03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:06,479
» Second.
>> 10 seconds. Loran, uh sorry, any further

2344
03:11:04,319 --> 03:11:09,279
discussion?
Lor, if you can take the role.

2345
03:11:08,240 --> 03:11:10,640
» Larry Sanders,
>> yes.

2346
03:11:09,840 --> 03:11:12,160
» Ken,
>> yes.

2347
03:11:11,279 --> 03:11:14,640
» Matt,
>> yes.

2348
03:11:13,680 --> 03:11:18,399
» Yes. Right.
>> Uh, an ordinance of the city of Ratham,

2349
03:11:16,640 --> 03:11:22,720
Coupney County, a municipal corporation
of the state of Idaho, adopting the new

2350
03:11:20,240 --> 03:11:27,760
title 11 adequate public facilities of
the Ratham City Code as follows.

2351
03:11:25,600 --> 03:11:32,399
Providing Ratham City Code section
11-1-1 for purpose of authority.

2352
03:11:30,560 --> 03:11:37,439
Providing Ratham City Code section
11-1-3

2353
03:11:34,479 --> 03:11:42,880
for applicability. Providing Ratham City
Code section 11-1-3

2354
03:11:40,080 --> 03:11:48,240
for facilities covered include water,
sewer, storm water, transportation,

2355
03:11:45,520 --> 03:11:53,600
parks, and green/open space and
emergency services. Providing Ratham

2356
03:11:50,800 --> 03:11:57,840
City Code section 11-1-4
for standards of adequacy for each

2357
03:11:55,520 --> 03:12:02,880
facility. providing Ratham City Code
section 11-1-5

2358
03:12:00,080 --> 03:12:08,319
for mitigation measure uh measures
providing Ram City Code section 11-1-6

2359
03:12:06,319 --> 03:12:12,399
for enforcement providing that the
remaining existing sections of the

2360
03:12:09,840 --> 03:12:17,680
Rather municipal code shall remain valid
and in effect providing for severability

2361
03:12:15,120 --> 03:12:22,160
providing for repeal of conflicting
provisions and providing for the

2362
03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:27,040
ordinance to be in full force in effect
from and after its passage approval and

2363
03:12:24,319 --> 03:12:28,800
publications according to law.
>> Mr. Mayor,

2364
03:12:28,160 --> 03:12:34,240
» Larry,
>> I make a motion [clears throat] to adopt

2365
03:12:31,200 --> 03:12:37,680
the ordinance adding the new code to
title 11 adequate public facilities.

2366
03:12:37,600 --> 03:12:40,319
Is
>> there a second?

2367
03:12:38,720 --> 03:12:43,680
» Any discussion?
>> No. Gran, you can take the role.

2368
03:12:42,800 --> 03:12:44,800
» Mayor Sanders,
>> yes.

2369
03:12:44,240 --> 03:12:46,000
» Owens,
>> yes.

2370
03:12:45,279 --> 03:12:47,359
» Ner,
>> yes.

2371
03:12:46,640 --> 03:12:50,399
» Laura,
>> yes.

2372
03:12:49,520 --> 03:12:53,359
» Council,
>> yes.

2373
03:12:52,000 --> 03:12:55,760
» Mr. Mayor
>> Larry.

2374
03:12:54,000 --> 03:13:02,479
» I make a motion to approve the
publication of the

2375
03:12:58,880 --> 03:13:06,880
ordinance adopting new code to title 11
adequate public facilities by summary

2376
03:13:04,640 --> 03:13:11,760
only and incorporate the title of the
ordinance into the body of the summary.

2377
03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:17,600
» Motion made. Is there a second?
>> Ken seconds. Any further discussion?

2378
03:13:15,760 --> 03:13:18,479
» There is not. Lauren,
>> Sanders,

2379
03:13:18,160 --> 03:13:19,680
» yes.
>> Ken Owens,

2380
03:13:19,200 --> 03:13:21,359
» yes.
>> And

2381
03:13:20,240 --> 03:13:26,960
» yes.
>> Yes. All right, motion passes.

2382
03:13:24,800 --> 03:13:33,840
Ordinance passes, I should say. Thank
you. Uh, moving on to item 8 E, action

2383
03:13:32,239 --> 03:13:39,439
item, consideration of authorizing the
mayor to execute a property donation and

2384
03:13:36,239 --> 03:13:42,160
water infrastructure agreement.
>> Uh, Mr. Mayor, I believe there's

2385
03:13:41,040 --> 03:13:45,439
something else before that.
>> Oh, did I miss one?

2386
03:13:43,760 --> 03:13:50,319
» No. D.
>> Oh, I am so sorry. Thank you. Thank you,

2387
03:13:47,439 --> 03:13:54,000
Leon. Uh 8 D consideration of adopting
an ordinance updating Ram city code

2388
03:13:52,080 --> 03:13:59,920
section 2-1-2
to match current Idaho code. Mr. Mayor

2389
03:13:57,120 --> 03:14:05,680
and council, before us on the on this is
the amendment to the uh [snorts]

2390
03:14:02,800 --> 03:14:11,760
qualifications of a planning and zoning
member. So currently we have in our

2391
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:16,479
statute that each member of the planning
and zoning commission shall have a

2392
03:14:13,920 --> 03:14:20,720
qualified a qualified elector which is
defined as somebody that is registered

2393
03:14:18,880 --> 03:14:25,760
to vote
of the county for a minimum of two years

2394
03:14:23,600 --> 03:14:29,439
at the time of his or her appointment
and during his or her service on the

2395
03:14:27,920 --> 03:14:35,359
commission.
Uh state code however is different.

2396
03:14:33,279 --> 03:14:39,359
State code states, and we took this
straight out of the state code, an

2397
03:14:37,520 --> 03:14:43,920
appointed member of a commission must
have resided in the county for at least

2398
03:14:41,760 --> 03:14:49,439
two years prior to his or her
appointment and must remain a resident

2399
03:14:46,319 --> 03:14:54,800
of the county during his or her service
on the commission. Um, and the reason

2400
03:14:52,239 --> 03:14:59,600
why it's a resident of the county during
his or her service is because there's a

2401
03:14:57,120 --> 03:15:07,760
possibility of being within the area of
impact and not in city limits. uh we do

2402
03:15:03,520 --> 03:15:12,000
have a in that same section of code one
exception for one commissioner that may

2403
03:15:10,000 --> 03:15:17,840
reside within the area of city impact
and that's why the county site is

2404
03:15:13,600 --> 03:15:24,239
important. Um the arguments for and
against this um one to be a resident of

2405
03:15:21,760 --> 03:15:30,399
the city you don't have to vote in order
to have a opinion on what you should

2406
03:15:27,840 --> 03:15:35,600
city should do and how it should act and
and react. Um you are a citizen

2407
03:15:33,520 --> 03:15:41,359
regardless of whether or not you are a
registered voter or not. Um, I don't

2408
03:15:38,640 --> 03:15:48,720
know the history behind why the city
selected the terminology the way it did

2409
03:15:45,120 --> 03:15:56,960
or if the city if the state had a
qualified elector clause at a

2410
03:15:53,200 --> 03:16:01,040
past situation. All I know today is that
the state does not require them to be a

2411
03:15:59,040 --> 03:16:07,920
registered voter. So, the question
before the council tonight is should we

2412
03:16:05,359 --> 03:16:12,960
make this amendment or not?
>> And it's I talked with uh Mayor Hodkins

2413
03:16:10,640 --> 03:16:16,239
about this and he says it's up to the
council. So, we throw it on the agenda

2414
03:16:14,560 --> 03:16:20,960
to see what the council wants to do.
>> And I I I would like to speak a little

2415
03:16:18,479 --> 03:16:24,479
bit more to it as well. Um and and let
the council know, you know, really what

2416
03:16:22,640 --> 03:16:29,040
my intentions are in terms of this. So,
so the reason that this is coming into

2417
03:16:26,160 --> 03:16:33,040
play in the specific Idaho code, um, is
that we have combined our planning and

2418
03:16:31,120 --> 03:16:37,920
zoning and our impact fee advisory
committees. Um, this specific

2419
03:16:35,840 --> 03:16:44,960
requirement, my understanding is, comes
from the, uh, impact fee advisory

2420
03:16:40,160 --> 03:16:50,239
committee state code. Um, my intention
is to split those committees. We can

2421
03:16:47,840 --> 03:16:54,880
utilize the same members
that are on those committees. Um, and I

2422
03:16:52,800 --> 03:16:58,880
believe that by splitting those two, it
essentially makes this ordinance

2423
03:16:57,279 --> 03:17:04,960
modification,
um, in my opinion that we that we don't

2424
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:10,479
need to do it. Um, you know, I I think
the bigger question is, um, and and the

2425
03:17:07,920 --> 03:17:17,359
intent as I read it in the code as it
stands now is that it takes the burden

2426
03:17:13,120 --> 03:17:21,680
of that residence requirement of two
years in the county. It takes it from

2427
03:17:19,760 --> 03:17:24,720
from someone at the city having to go
backtrack and find out if that person's

2428
03:17:23,120 --> 03:17:29,120
really been a resident or not for two
years and puts it on the elections

2429
03:17:27,359 --> 03:17:33,439
because in order to be registered for
elections, you have to have been a reg a

2430
03:17:31,760 --> 03:17:37,279
member of the county, right? And that's
an easy way for us to go back and say,

2431
03:17:35,200 --> 03:17:43,520
okay, you registered to vote two years
ago, you've been here for two years,

2432
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:47,520
right? and and then you know whomever at
the city which I mean obviously this

2433
03:17:45,520 --> 03:17:51,680
raises a bigger question as well you
know who is responsible for ensuring

2434
03:17:49,200 --> 03:17:55,840
that you know in vetting the members of
the committees to ensure that they meet

2435
03:17:53,520 --> 03:18:01,200
all of the requirements um we have an
instance where a member did not um and

2436
03:17:58,640 --> 03:18:04,880
was appointed regardless. So that's why
we're in the situation that we are now.

2437
03:18:03,040 --> 03:18:09,520
I think the the most eloquent solution
is split the two committees. um that

2438
03:18:07,439 --> 03:18:13,200
that alleviates some of the requirement
for planning and zoning and opens it up

2439
03:18:11,120 --> 03:18:18,880
to be able to accept more people which I
think um by having that little bit

2440
03:18:15,920 --> 03:18:22,479
looser standard we'd get more applicants
that are interested in being in planning

2441
03:18:20,239 --> 03:18:26,640
and zoning and at the same time also
establishes a separate which is required

2442
03:18:24,640 --> 03:18:31,439
I believe to meet twice per year
committee. Um there is nothing that says

2443
03:18:28,800 --> 03:18:34,800
that we can't use both
sets of people for both committees. It

2444
03:18:33,439 --> 03:18:37,680
could be the same set of people on both
committees.

2445
03:18:35,600 --> 03:18:45,200
» Okay. Mr. Mayor, I I want to make sure
that I heard one of the statements that

2446
03:18:39,359 --> 03:18:49,920
you said clearly. Um this and so I may
be conflicting here. The Idaho code that

2447
03:18:48,080 --> 03:18:55,920
is referencing isn't the impact
committee code to have a registered

2448
03:18:54,160 --> 03:18:58,800
voter. This
>> no

2449
03:18:56,399 --> 03:19:04,000
» portion of the amendment matches the
Idaho code for planning and zoning. It

2450
03:19:01,359 --> 03:19:09,520
does not. the planning and zoning does
not have to have by Idaho law the

2451
03:19:06,800 --> 03:19:16,640
requirement to be a qualified elector.
So this this change of this does not

2452
03:19:14,080 --> 03:19:22,880
come into play for using a development
impact fee committee member. This code

2453
03:19:20,800 --> 03:19:27,920
section that we're using here is
specifically related to planning and

2454
03:19:24,880 --> 03:19:34,720
zoning. nothing to do about development
impact fee because this qualification is

2455
03:19:31,680 --> 03:19:38,880
not for development impact fees. This
qualification is for planning and zoning

2456
03:19:37,279 --> 03:19:42,479
and that's where we pulled the item code
from

2457
03:19:40,479 --> 03:19:47,680
» and and I could have completely misread
that and that is 100% on me. But sorry

2458
03:19:45,359 --> 03:19:54,319
Laura, go ahead. Mayor, I just wanted to
to point out that I believe the purpose

2459
03:19:50,720 --> 03:20:01,920
of having um the code as the qualified
elector of a county for a minimum of two

2460
03:19:57,120 --> 03:20:08,399
years was to confirm the Idaho state
code requirement that the person be a

2461
03:20:04,960 --> 03:20:13,200
resident for at least two years. You can
you can prove residency far easier

2462
03:20:10,960 --> 03:20:17,200
through land records than you can
through

2463
03:20:14,000 --> 03:20:21,439
» the problem is that
uh you there's plenty of people that

2464
03:20:20,160 --> 03:20:27,680
don't own land.
>> That's true.

2465
03:20:22,319 --> 03:20:33,520
» So that makes it a lot harder to prove,
but it's very simple to look up there

2466
03:20:30,960 --> 03:20:37,200
the um if a person's registered to vote.
>> Here's my driver's license. And we have

2467
03:20:35,200 --> 03:20:43,200
a contested
county position that is someone that

2468
03:20:40,399 --> 03:20:45,840
owns homes in two states and
>> and

2469
03:20:43,680 --> 03:20:50,319
» you know can't may or may not live in
their house in Idaho.

2470
03:20:48,160 --> 03:20:53,200
» For instance, again, lots of people
rent. I

2471
03:20:51,359 --> 03:20:56,160
» I'm not trying to argue either way. I
was doing a clarification

2472
03:20:55,279 --> 03:20:59,840
of
>> where this is coming from. It's not

2473
03:20:58,080 --> 03:21:04,560
coming from development impact fees.
It's coming from planning and zoning. I

2474
03:21:02,239 --> 03:21:08,640
don't. You guys are the ones in this.
I'm not trying to make an argument.

2475
03:21:06,560 --> 03:21:13,520
» I'm just doing clarification.
>> I would hope if somebody wanted to get

2476
03:21:10,880 --> 03:21:19,279
involved with city government, wanted to
get involved with planning and zoning or

2477
03:21:16,160 --> 03:21:23,680
whatever would actually want to vote,
you know, and be that responsible. But I

2478
03:21:22,000 --> 03:21:28,960
don't think it should be a requirement
to be a registered voter just because of

2479
03:21:26,640 --> 03:21:33,359
that. I think it's restrictive. Just
have to be a resident of the county. But

2480
03:21:31,760 --> 03:21:35,120
how do you approve that?
>> Well, there's lots of ways to prove

2481
03:21:34,800 --> 03:21:38,080
that,
>> but this is the easiest way.

2482
03:21:36,880 --> 03:21:42,319
» Yeah.
>> And it and it takes that bird. It takes

2483
03:21:40,000 --> 03:21:46,640
» because you can you can confirm the date
that they're registered easily. Look it

2484
03:21:44,479 --> 03:21:52,239
up and see that they have been a
resident of the county for at least two

2485
03:21:48,960 --> 03:21:54,880
years at the time of appointment.
>> I I think there's other ways to to do

2486
03:21:54,479 --> 03:21:56,880
it.
>> There are, but they're going to be much

2487
03:21:56,239 --> 03:22:00,640
more
>> burdensome. Yeah. And then and then who

2488
03:21:58,800 --> 03:22:04,319
are we who at the city are you placing
that extra labor on?

2489
03:22:02,880 --> 03:22:07,439
» I'm going to apply for the planning and
zoning. Here's my driver's license. I've

2490
03:22:05,920 --> 03:22:10,720
lived here for 8 years.
>> That doesn't prove anything. Driver's

2491
03:22:08,960 --> 03:22:14,560
license doesn't prove anything. I I know
a number of people with driver's

2492
03:22:12,560 --> 03:22:17,680
licenses in other states.
>> They could go back to that state and

2493
03:22:16,080 --> 03:22:20,720
say, "See, I've I've been here the whole
time."

2494
03:22:18,080 --> 03:22:25,640
» I I think we're just making a mountain
out of a molehill that I don't know.

2495
03:22:22,640 --> 03:22:25,640
Right.

2496
03:22:26,399 --> 03:22:31,760
» Well, I mean the problem is that per our
city code right now, we had a member of

2497
03:22:30,560 --> 03:22:36,880
planning and zoning that was not
qualified to be on planning and zoning

2498
03:22:34,560 --> 03:22:40,479
and and that is what has necessitated us
having this conversation.

2499
03:22:38,399 --> 03:22:45,279
» How did that get overlooked?
>> Uh who is resp I Leon who is responsible

2500
03:22:43,200 --> 03:22:50,160
for making sure that all of the criteria
>> and we did this all applications went to

2501
03:22:47,760 --> 03:22:54,399
the mayor. The mayor reviewed them,
interviewed the people, and made the

2502
03:22:52,399 --> 03:22:58,560
selection, and the council approved it.
There was no process of staff of

2503
03:22:56,399 --> 03:23:01,600
reviewing whether or not they met
qualifications.

2504
03:22:59,359 --> 03:23:04,640
» Okay. But when I asked for a list of PNZ
applications, I was given one and said

2505
03:23:03,279 --> 03:23:08,880
that all the other ones didn't meet the
criteria. So,

2506
03:23:06,239 --> 03:23:13,840
» no, no, no, no, no. When you were asked,
we said this is the only one that we

2507
03:23:11,520 --> 03:23:20,479
have received within the 12-month
period, and they are a non-resident, but

2508
03:23:17,200 --> 03:23:27,200
and within the area of city impact. All
other applications that we had did not

2509
03:23:23,439 --> 03:23:29,760
select planning and zoning as an option.
There were several that selected council

2510
03:23:29,120 --> 03:23:34,080
member.
>> Okay.

2511
03:23:30,640 --> 03:23:36,640
» Or a parks and wreck but not planning
and zoning.

2512
03:23:34,880 --> 03:23:39,279
» Okay. I misunderstood. Yeah.
>> Yeah. It was not because they were not

2513
03:23:38,720 --> 03:23:44,880
qualified.
>> Okay.

2514
03:23:40,239 --> 03:23:50,560
» Mr. Mayor. Uh, I'd like to make a motion
um denying the consideration of adopting

2515
03:23:48,239 --> 03:23:54,319
an ordinance updating raft from city
code section 212 to match current Idaho

2516
03:23:53,439 --> 03:23:57,359
code.
>> Uh, motion made. Is there a second?

2517
03:23:56,160 --> 03:24:02,239
» I'll second that.
>> Motion made and seconded. Further

2518
03:23:58,880 --> 03:24:06,960
discussion? Uh, Laura, anything else?
Larry, anything?

2519
03:24:04,640 --> 03:24:11,040
» Is it that an ordinance?
>> Yeah, but she's not passing it.

2520
03:24:08,479 --> 03:24:13,760
» She's not passing it. Oh. Oh, she just
Okay. Okay.

2521
03:24:13,359 --> 03:24:18,880
» No.
>> No. Anything else? Matt. Yes, sir. Ken.

2522
03:24:17,760 --> 03:24:22,479
All right. Loren, if you'll take the
role.

2523
03:24:20,080 --> 03:24:24,640
» Fuller.
>> I

2524
03:24:24,000 --> 03:24:27,600
met Sir.
>> Hi.

2525
03:24:26,319 --> 03:24:30,600
» Ken Owens.
>> No.

2526
03:24:31,920 --> 03:24:37,461
» No.
>> We have a tie vote. Mayor

2527
03:24:35,840 --> 03:24:39,480
» I
[snorts]

2528
03:24:39,760 --> 03:24:43,319
I knew that was

2529
03:24:43,840 --> 03:24:51,800
» you set me up, Larry. Is that what
you're saying? [laughter]

2530
03:24:47,520 --> 03:24:51,800
» For everybody's edification there.

2531
03:24:52,640 --> 03:24:58,479
» I wanted you to get that auction. You
haven't had that yet.

2532
03:24:56,479 --> 03:25:04,640
» I I don't want to be. All right. All
right. Moving on to And apologies. So, I

2533
03:25:02,000 --> 03:25:10,399
am I'm going off the paper and I'm going
off the um bookmarks in the PDF

2534
03:25:08,720 --> 03:25:14,080
» that's posted on the website and they do
not match. That's why I missed it and I

2535
03:25:12,239 --> 03:25:18,000
apologize for that.
>> Can I request a brief break?

2536
03:25:15,760 --> 03:25:22,680
» We can break for 5 minutes. Absolutely.
>> Thank you so much.

2537
03:25:19,439 --> 03:25:22,680
» That's almost

2538
03:25:25,200 --> 03:25:29,000
there. Good.

2539
03:25:31,920 --> 03:25:36,960
one of those.
>> Yeah, I'm going

2540
03:25:36,560 --> 03:25:42,319
out.
>> They don't They don't

2541
03:25:39,680 --> 03:25:46,479
That's my That's That's my
Normally. I've been checking to make

2542
03:25:44,399 --> 03:25:49,840
sure before, but I didn't do it tonight.
And

2543
03:25:47,439 --> 03:25:55,120
» I think the meat recipe is going to go
pretty fast.

2544
03:25:52,319 --> 03:25:58,720
» I don't think so.
>> I think we're we're going to set a

2545
03:25:56,479 --> 03:26:05,479
record tonight. I've been having my Red
Bull on my packed up and ready to go.

2546
03:26:00,720 --> 03:26:05,479
» I better get get rid of some water.

2547
03:26:05,520 --> 03:26:11,279
» Sounds like an excellent plan.
>> Except for the get warm.

2548
03:26:08,640 --> 03:26:11,279
» Yeah.

2549
03:26:14,479 --> 03:26:19,640
Every time I get up, I think I'm like I
can't

2550
03:26:22,263 --> 03:26:24,282
[clears throat]

2551
03:26:25,279 --> 03:26:29,560
» It does exchange.

2552
03:26:38,720 --> 03:26:42,120
Oh, we were sitting

2553
03:26:45,279 --> 03:26:48,279
right

2554
03:26:51,040 --> 03:26:55,439
» that higher.
>> Where's Stacy tonight?

2555
03:26:54,640 --> 03:26:59,840
» Out of what?
>> I showed up late. [laughter]

2556
03:26:58,239 --> 03:27:03,160
» Where's Stacy tonight?
>> I don't know.

2557
03:27:03,840 --> 03:27:09,840
» Water,
electricity, and everything else. Okay.

2558
03:27:18,593 --> 03:27:20,612
» [laughter]

2559
03:27:20,960 --> 03:27:30,479
» I I I want to get some point.
>> It's expensive.

2560
03:27:27,600 --> 03:27:33,439
» Yeah. Is
>> I love

2561
03:27:32,080 --> 03:27:39,359
» I'll take you
>> if I

2562
03:27:36,479 --> 03:27:39,359
need

2563
03:27:41,120 --> 03:27:48,399
Well over 50,000 gallons.
>> Yeah. Yes. And matter of fact, when I so

2564
03:27:45,680 --> 03:27:53,120
showed it up there was
>> maybe we'll go a little maybe.

2565
03:27:50,880 --> 03:27:59,760
» Why are the HOAs
being penalized through the city because

2566
03:27:56,960 --> 03:28:04,160
Tan wishes his uh his report was
earlier?

2567
03:28:01,359 --> 03:28:07,239
» No way. I'm saying nobody. But you're in
the same

2568
03:28:15,680 --> 03:28:18,680
house,

2569
03:28:32,000 --> 03:28:34,720
right?

2570
03:28:35,200 --> 03:28:38,359
I'm just

2571
03:28:39,279 --> 03:28:48,640
saying
has targeted HOA knowing full well that

2572
03:28:46,080 --> 03:28:54,239
they would never
>> same and it's not targeted. So, so you

2573
03:28:51,439 --> 03:29:01,920
if you look at now listen this if you
use domestic water for your house yours

2574
03:28:58,479 --> 03:29:09,040
for example in January and December that
is for the water cleaning yourself

2575
03:29:05,920 --> 03:29:12,680
dishes cooking your everything else you
use less than 500

2576
03:29:13,040 --> 03:29:16,680
how much of water

2577
03:29:17,200 --> 03:29:24,319
for the Healthy. [clears throat]
>> Oh, I agree with that. Okay. So

2578
03:29:23,044 --> 03:29:28,120
[laughter]
in the winter

2579
03:29:30,960 --> 03:29:33,960
months

2580
03:29:36,080 --> 03:29:40,680
between the two
>> pressure

2581
03:29:44,005 --> 03:29:46,024
[laughter]

2582
03:29:49,040 --> 03:29:52,040
over

2583
03:29:52,239 --> 03:29:57,840
» for the purpose of irrigation.
>> So

2584
03:29:56,319 --> 03:30:04,239
please
abundance it should be on irrigation

2585
03:30:01,120 --> 03:30:09,359
» not on you as a resident
>> it's beyond the irrigation.

2586
03:30:06,560 --> 03:30:14,160
» Okay. So basically when we got the
20,000 we basically said okay we're

2587
03:30:12,160 --> 03:30:20,359
going to give you5
give you an extra 15 for your personal

2588
03:30:16,319 --> 03:30:20,359
irrigation without having

2589
03:30:28,479 --> 03:30:40,439
» was putting that up there
but after 20,000. It's clearly

2590
03:30:36,800 --> 03:30:40,439
» clearly the reason

2591
03:30:56,880 --> 03:31:04,720
» back to us.
>> We have more things.

2592
03:31:02,880 --> 03:31:10,279
Stop talking so much, mayor.
>> I'm sorry.

2593
03:31:06,800 --> 03:31:10,279
» Can't help it.

2594
03:31:14,239 --> 03:31:21,880
» I used to have a boss that would talk
for like 20 minutes and then he'd go,

2595
03:31:17,920 --> 03:31:21,880
"Do you have anything you want to say?"

2596
03:31:22,800 --> 03:31:29,120
In all fairness, when he interviewed me,
he apologized up front and said, "I like

2597
03:31:25,920 --> 03:31:36,640
to hear the sound of my own voice." So,
ever since then, I've been not I All

2598
03:31:31,359 --> 03:31:40,880
right, moving on to item number 8E.
Consideration of authorizing the mayor

2599
03:31:38,239 --> 03:31:45,680
to execute a property donation and water
infrastructure agreement.

2600
03:31:43,279 --> 03:31:51,680
» Mr. Mayor,
there are two items that are influenced

2601
03:31:48,960 --> 03:31:58,399
by this one item. Not only this, but the
next item on the agenda. So, as I am uh

2602
03:31:55,680 --> 03:32:04,080
describing this, I want you to know that
if if approved,

2603
03:32:01,680 --> 03:32:09,439
item F automatically comes off the
agenda. Okay? It's important to know

2604
03:32:07,520 --> 03:32:15,200
that as we're taking these things into
consideration.

2605
03:32:11,120 --> 03:32:21,279
Um, the Meyer family has met with me
since our last meeting and we have

2606
03:32:18,319 --> 03:32:28,880
talked about the donation of the
property of approximately

2607
03:32:25,200 --> 03:32:33,960
40,000 square ft, which is shy of 1 acre
by 3,000 uh square ftish.

2608
03:32:34,080 --> 03:32:45,600
Um on that land, Kevin is looking at a
water tower and a water well as

2609
03:32:43,439 --> 03:32:52,560
infrastructure that can be done on that
land. Okay. Um as part of the donation,

2610
03:32:49,840 --> 03:33:00,640
it does give us a piece of land that is
higher in elevation.

2611
03:32:55,120 --> 03:33:07,520
It does give us a a prime location for a
water storage tank in comparison to say

2612
03:33:04,479 --> 03:33:11,680
the west side of town. And why I mean
that is because we know that we have had

2613
03:33:09,439 --> 03:33:16,239
pressure issues on that side of town. It
would put water closer to the pressure

2614
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:21,439
issues.
um

2615
03:33:18,000 --> 03:33:26,880
as conditions of that land donation
that the city would build the water

2616
03:33:23,520 --> 03:33:31,600
lines up the west side of the property
and along the north side of the property

2617
03:33:29,520 --> 03:33:35,920
which I believe I sent a memo out to the
council that was that that would be

2618
03:33:34,319 --> 03:33:42,479
approximately
$330ome,000

2619
03:33:38,399 --> 03:33:49,600
on the city to put that in. Um, if I'm
remembering my numbers correctly, it was

2620
03:33:44,399 --> 03:33:54,640
$100 per foot. Okay. Um,
I want to point out that a water tower

2621
03:33:52,479 --> 03:33:59,200
without a water line connecting to the
water system serves no purpose in the

2622
03:33:56,960 --> 03:34:05,439
city whatsoever.
We are going to need to do that.

2623
03:34:02,080 --> 03:34:10,000
If the development had a subdivision in
play today, then we could say, "Well,

2624
03:34:08,160 --> 03:34:15,760
you're building it because you're
building a subdivision." We have no

2625
03:34:12,319 --> 03:34:20,720
application for a subdivision. I don't
know when it will come. It could come in

2626
03:34:18,080 --> 03:34:26,800
6 months. It could come in six years. It
could come in 20 years. As you've seen,

2627
03:34:23,680 --> 03:34:30,319
it could come in a month. Uh, but as
you've seen, there's been land that's

2628
03:34:28,399 --> 03:34:35,200
been annexed and zoned in the city of
Rather that took forever to be. I'm not

2629
03:34:33,120 --> 03:34:42,033
trying to use a crystal ball to say when
that's going to come. And we need to act

2630
03:34:38,880 --> 03:34:45,600
with what we have, not what might be.
[snorts]

2631
03:34:42,640 --> 03:34:51,439
Okay. So therefore, in this land
donation, the other thing that uh is a

2632
03:34:48,399 --> 03:34:56,560
compromise in this is water mitigation.
We limited that to five years because

2633
03:34:54,319 --> 03:35:01,840
anything that would be built within five
years or subdivision submitted within

2634
03:34:58,800 --> 03:35:06,960
five years, this would take care of any
mitigation that they would need on

2635
03:35:03,840 --> 03:35:12,160
water. Water mitigation would be extra
lines and it would be water pressure

2636
03:35:10,319 --> 03:35:18,720
tank
uh sorry a water storage tank or

2637
03:35:15,359 --> 03:35:26,319
pressure pumps in mitigating and that's
my layman's idea of mitigation and

2638
03:35:22,000 --> 03:35:32,160
looking to Kevin um so by donating this
land and allowing us to build a water

2639
03:35:28,720 --> 03:35:36,479
tower on this it would serve the entire
city and not just a subdivision. and

2640
03:35:34,319 --> 03:35:41,600
water mitigation would only have to
serve the subdivision in which they're

2641
03:35:38,560 --> 03:35:47,359
building. It would not have to mitigate
for the entire city. Okay? So, that

2642
03:35:45,680 --> 03:35:53,840
would handle the water mitigation
issues, but again, it's limited to 5

2643
03:35:50,080 --> 03:35:58,800
years. Uh the reason for that is things
change in five years. There might be

2644
03:35:56,399 --> 03:36:03,120
other things that need to be mitigated
in that subdivision besides just water

2645
03:36:01,680 --> 03:36:11,920
storage.
uh if we have you know another 3 4,000

2646
03:36:08,560 --> 03:36:18,160
homes built. Okay. So that's why there's
a limitation of 5 years. The other is

2647
03:36:15,359 --> 03:36:23,040
the green space requirement meaning that
that this will

2648
03:36:20,479 --> 03:36:27,760
be able to be used as part of the green
space requirement. It's not going to

2649
03:36:24,960 --> 03:36:33,840
fulfill the green space requirement. It
would just be able to be counted for.

2650
03:36:30,479 --> 03:36:40,319
That green space requirement is up to
the city planner to determine whether or

2651
03:36:37,279 --> 03:36:44,880
not it qualifies as green space. And the
city planner has already told the family

2652
03:36:42,399 --> 03:36:49,760
that if this was a water a donation for
a water tower that it would meet the

2653
03:36:46,800 --> 03:36:54,160
green space donation requirements. Okay.
So, we're not promising something that

2654
03:36:51,520 --> 03:36:57,279
wouldn't already be given.
>> Sorry, Leon. Yes.

2655
03:36:55,520 --> 03:37:02,239
» Quick quick question about that. Does
the current water tower at Majestic does

2656
03:37:00,080 --> 03:37:04,080
it is it does that qualify as green
space?

2657
03:37:02,720 --> 03:37:06,800
» Yeah, it does.
>> Is there anything planted under it? Is

2658
03:37:05,439 --> 03:37:10,479
there grass or anything
>> or is it gravel?

2659
03:37:08,560 --> 03:37:15,520
» It's gravel road directly under it, but
it's surrounded by grass. Um, it meets

2660
03:37:13,439 --> 03:37:18,560
the green space requirement because it's
not being built on with houses.

2661
03:37:18,000 --> 03:37:22,510
» Okay.
>> It's also in the park.

2662
03:37:20,479 --> 03:37:27,120
» The green space requirement is
[laughter]

2663
03:37:23,920 --> 03:37:31,760
the student observation.
I I I'm and I and I ask because I'm

2664
03:37:30,080 --> 03:37:34,239
trying to define green space in my head,
>> right?

2665
03:37:32,319 --> 03:37:38,880
» And that's why we allow the planner to
define that in the subdivision plans

2666
03:37:36,720 --> 03:37:42,800
that they give because you might also
count sidewalks as green space

2667
03:37:40,720 --> 03:37:49,120
requirement because it's going down the
middle of the swell and the the buffer

2668
03:37:45,600 --> 03:37:53,520
between the houses and the road. Um
that's up for the um the planner to

2669
03:37:51,840 --> 03:38:00,000
review the plans and make sure that they
match. Um,

2670
03:37:56,479 --> 03:38:04,479
so with this we do get property. We can
build a water tower on here. We will

2671
03:38:02,319 --> 03:38:10,080
need to have water lines to connected to
the system as part of the requirements

2672
03:38:06,239 --> 03:38:15,920
of building it. This is funded solely
and it's important that this is funded

2673
03:38:12,960 --> 03:38:22,239
solely with capitalization fees. The
water lines, the water tower, a water

2674
03:38:19,200 --> 03:38:26,720
well, all of it is by capitalization
fees. So, it's the fees that we have

2675
03:38:23,920 --> 03:38:32,319
charged to residential permits and
commercial permits that connect to our

2676
03:38:28,800 --> 03:38:37,040
water system since however long we've
been collecting capitalization fees.

2677
03:38:35,200 --> 03:38:42,960
That is why we have the money to do
this. It's the same money that we used

2678
03:38:39,680 --> 03:38:48,399
to build the okay well. We built that in
2018.

2679
03:38:44,640 --> 03:38:53,040
100% off of capitalization fees. No
property tax increases, no water fee

2680
03:38:51,120 --> 03:38:58,319
increases. So, it's important to
establish that this is not the citizens

2681
03:38:55,920 --> 03:39:03,920
in their water fees or taxes that's
paying for this infrastructure. This is

2682
03:39:00,560 --> 03:39:11,359
capitalization fees only. And we have
$11 million of capitalization fees for

2683
03:39:08,720 --> 03:39:17,520
water capital projects.
This the water tower was estimated at

2684
03:39:14,399 --> 03:39:22,399
about $7.5 million.
The well that we built in 2018 was

2685
03:39:20,560 --> 03:39:28,319
approximately 2 million. You know,
inflation's increased. And then the

2686
03:39:25,120 --> 03:39:32,880
water lines are about $330,000.
All of it would fit within our 11

2687
03:39:30,880 --> 03:39:36,640
million that we currently have and we're
collecting every single day with

2688
03:39:34,960 --> 03:39:42,000
permits.
So, um,

2689
03:39:39,600 --> 03:39:48,000
it is my recommendation to the council,
and I very rarely make a recommendation

2690
03:39:44,479 --> 03:39:54,800
on any item that comes into the council,
um, that the council approves this

2691
03:39:51,439 --> 03:40:00,080
donation and then we have this land to
build this water tower to address some

2692
03:39:57,040 --> 03:40:04,239
of the concerns that we have. Now, can
it be built in other locations? Yes, it

2693
03:40:02,720 --> 03:40:09,279
can.
They're very limited that we have

2694
03:40:06,319 --> 03:40:16,160
control over. Uh the mayor brought up
the water tower at um Majestic Park. The

2695
03:40:14,239 --> 03:40:20,000
current water lines for that only
connects to the Corbin crossing

2696
03:40:18,000 --> 03:40:25,760
subdivision. Therefore, you'd have to
extend water lines into the main system

2697
03:40:22,080 --> 03:40:31,920
as well. And that what do you give up in
the park to tear down that water tower

2698
03:40:30,000 --> 03:40:39,920
and rebuild a bigger water tower
>> already on a 200 by 150 foot subplot,

2699
03:40:37,040 --> 03:40:44,319
» right? But you can't, you know, do we
want to add a well to that same

2700
03:40:42,479 --> 03:40:48,960
location?
My recommendation is no because you've

2701
03:40:46,960 --> 03:40:53,920
got youth and people that's around that
all the time and you have to have

2702
03:40:50,960 --> 03:40:58,080
wellhead protection programs in place to
protect that water source. That is a

2703
03:40:56,800 --> 03:41:04,080
contaminate [clears throat]
location and if you've got people around

2704
03:41:00,800 --> 03:41:09,439
it all the time then you have issues
with that. Okay. So that those are some

2705
03:41:08,000 --> 03:41:14,160
of the things and that's why I'm
recommending that we do this. Otherwise,

2706
03:41:11,600 --> 03:41:20,080
we have to go on the search and find
land that we have to buy at whatever

2707
03:41:17,040 --> 03:41:25,760
price the owner wants to sell it for. We
don't get the power to set the price

2708
03:41:23,760 --> 03:41:30,720
even if we use eminent domain. And I
know Mayor Hodkins, you are involved in

2709
03:41:27,600 --> 03:41:37,520
an eminent domain case. We can force
someone to sell us their property. Sell

2710
03:41:33,040 --> 03:41:44,720
us. However, there are massive costs
imposed on forcing someone to sell us a

2711
03:41:41,840 --> 03:41:49,040
piece of land. Again, that's why I'm
recommending that we the council

2712
03:41:46,560 --> 03:41:55,760
approved this land donation.
>> I I guess I don't understand that. You

2713
03:41:51,840 --> 03:42:02,080
mentioned the tower or tank, whatever,
and a well. Do you do you do you you

2714
03:41:59,520 --> 03:42:07,439
have to dig a well to build the tank?
Right. So they So could we could we use

2715
03:42:05,600 --> 03:42:11,200
that property and just put a well on it
and then put a tank

2716
03:42:09,040 --> 03:42:16,560
» somewhere else later down
>> if we found a better once the

2717
03:42:13,840 --> 03:42:20,239
» structure come or our hydraulic modeling
came in and said are you better off

2718
03:42:18,080 --> 03:42:23,359
having a tank over in this area
>> or something then we could do that then.

2719
03:42:22,720 --> 03:42:28,960
» Okay.
>> And then what was the point of accepting

2720
03:42:26,000 --> 03:42:32,720
this and building the infrastructure?
>> Well well we could put a well there.

2721
03:42:31,120 --> 03:42:35,120
Well, it still need the water line to
get

2722
03:42:33,200 --> 03:42:40,399
» Well, I understand. I understand. I just
It was just a question. I wasn't sure

2723
03:42:36,880 --> 03:42:46,479
how the process worked. So,
>> my hair just wanted to add I did ask

2724
03:42:42,960 --> 03:42:56,399
Leon. I wanted to know um an estimated
value of um the donated proposed donated

2725
03:42:52,239 --> 03:43:03,200
land for that water storage tank or
water tower. Um he said that his best

2726
03:43:00,640 --> 03:43:09,600
guess, although he is not an appraiser,
is between 100,000 and $150,000 for the

2727
03:43:07,920 --> 03:43:14,640
value of that property.
>> And that is today's value. That's not

2728
03:43:12,239 --> 03:43:19,439
the future value of that property
because again, we're looking at today's

2729
03:43:17,359 --> 03:43:26,080
value. But if they were to turn that
into homes, the Meer Meadows uh

2730
03:43:23,279 --> 03:43:28,960
subdivision sold to a builder at
$190,000 a lot.

2731
03:43:28,239 --> 03:43:34,399
» A lot
>> and four acres, you could fit four

2732
03:43:31,920 --> 03:43:39,600
different lots onto that property. So if
you wanted to look at it in a future

2733
03:43:36,720 --> 03:43:44,960
value of that property, it would also be
closer to $800,000

2734
03:43:42,239 --> 03:43:50,800
to a million dollars depending upon when
it was developed. So today's price, the

2735
03:43:48,640 --> 03:43:55,600
reason why I have it low is because
there's no water lines to it. There's no

2736
03:43:52,960 --> 03:44:00,239
sewer lines to it. It's farmland that's
being farmed. Uh there's no roads to it

2737
03:43:58,399 --> 03:44:06,560
or anything of that matter. That's why
my number is lower than the potential of

2738
03:44:02,640 --> 03:44:14,000
putting houses on it.
I just think that the um

2739
03:44:11,040 --> 03:44:19,840
under this proposed agreement with the
value of the um water main construction

2740
03:44:18,080 --> 03:44:26,800
and infrastructure that the city's
committing to build which is you said

2741
03:44:24,000 --> 03:44:33,279
$336,000
plus whatever water mitigation is going

2742
03:44:31,040 --> 03:44:37,920
to be provided.
um

2743
03:44:35,199 --> 03:44:42,880
» with additional pumps, etc.
>> No, no, no, no.

2744
03:44:40,319 --> 03:44:46,479
» What I'm saying is they still have to
build all of their water lines for the

2745
03:44:44,720 --> 03:44:51,279
entire subdivision. They still have to
supply the water and what it needs to

2746
03:44:48,479 --> 03:44:59,199
get there. We're not doing any of that.
Okay. What I'm saying is the mitigation

2747
03:44:55,040 --> 03:45:04,399
is if it falls lower than just putting
in water lines. Okay. We're not

2748
03:45:02,560 --> 03:45:08,880
committing to doing water lines for a
subdivision.

2749
03:45:06,000 --> 03:45:13,040
Okay? Regardless of what the mitigation
comes out, they still have to do that.

2750
03:45:10,640 --> 03:45:18,160
They still have to put that in. What
we're saying here is that they won't

2751
03:45:16,319 --> 03:45:24,640
have to add additional pumps for
pressure because they're going to have

2752
03:45:21,199 --> 03:45:30,560
a$1 to2 million water tank sitting on
their property that will do that.

2753
03:45:28,960 --> 03:45:36,880
Okay.
that water tank would provide that

2754
03:45:32,880 --> 03:45:40,319
additional pressure asurances in in that
area.

2755
03:45:37,680 --> 03:45:44,960
» It it really there be any other
mitigation factors needed.

2756
03:45:42,239 --> 03:45:46,960
» It just seems like a disproportionate
trade.

2757
03:45:45,840 --> 03:45:51,840
» Why?
>> Because the city's providing the water,

2758
03:45:49,279 --> 03:45:57,520
saving them money. The city's providing
the additional line, saving them money.

2759
03:45:54,399 --> 03:46:02,960
Um, you know, what is the city getting?
>> The city gets a water storage tank. at a

2760
03:46:00,640 --> 03:46:05,359
fraction of the cost
>> potentially.

2761
03:46:03,439 --> 03:46:08,080
» We get it potentially. Yes.
>> But that's what we have to deal

2762
03:46:06,516 --> 03:46:14,239
[clears throat] with today. We have
issues that we just spent I don't know

2763
03:46:10,160 --> 03:46:22,960
how many hours talking about and we have
a potential solution in front of us with

2764
03:46:17,439 --> 03:46:26,960
a potential budget to build it and
need to seal the deal.

2765
03:46:24,560 --> 03:46:31,920
» And if we don't get that, then we have
to go look for property somewhere else.

2766
03:46:29,359 --> 03:46:35,680
So, we might pay $800,000.
>> Well, we already have property. Kevin

2767
03:46:33,840 --> 03:46:39,199
stated that earlier. Majestic Park.
There's already a water tower there. We

2768
03:46:37,120 --> 03:46:43,760
can replace the tower that's there.
>> But is it necessarily

2769
03:46:42,000 --> 03:46:50,720
Mayor? I don't want to argue on that,
but we need the storage and we can build

2770
03:46:49,040 --> 03:46:55,680
this
in this location and provide the storage

2771
03:46:52,880 --> 03:46:59,680
that we need. This is part of the
original ask from Kevin at the very

2772
03:46:57,840 --> 03:47:07,680
beginning of all of this because we need
to get the land and the appropriateness

2773
03:47:03,359 --> 03:47:14,880
of the location of the water tower.
My opinion, not as an expert, isn't next

2774
03:47:11,120 --> 03:47:20,160
to a playground that is being with a
whole bunch of kids and everything else.

2775
03:47:17,040 --> 03:47:24,880
This is far bigger than a 50,000galon
water tower. And you mentioned that that

2776
03:47:22,960 --> 03:47:27,439
water tower only supplies that one
subdivision. We would have to put in

2777
03:47:26,479 --> 03:47:31,439
other lines.
>> We'd have to put in lines as well.

2778
03:47:29,520 --> 03:47:36,399
» Speculate what would that cost to
connect that to the other place.

2779
03:47:34,399 --> 03:47:40,080
» We haven't estimated that.
>> So is that section of town is completely

2780
03:47:38,640 --> 03:47:43,600
isolated from the rest of the city on
the water?

2781
03:47:41,199 --> 03:47:46,560
» That northeast corner of Meer Lancaster
is. Yes.

2782
03:47:44,720 --> 03:47:53,040
» Okay.
We have all the valves closed on

2783
03:47:50,399 --> 03:47:56,479
my road and l the one at Lancaster
railway is closed as well.

2784
03:47:54,960 --> 03:47:59,920
» Why why are those closed? What what's
the advice?

2785
03:47:57,040 --> 03:48:04,080
» Isolate um so that we maximize the
pressure that we can do the booster

2786
03:48:01,680 --> 03:48:08,640
pumps. If not we open up that and we ask
the booster pumps to boost the pressure

2787
03:48:06,319 --> 03:48:13,920
they would eventually fail. Um
>> why why would they fail? Well, they

2788
03:48:11,439 --> 03:48:18,800
» they just burn out enough.
>> I mean, is that

2789
03:48:15,840 --> 03:48:21,680
» cause more water pressure issues?
>> I mean, is that what we're saying?

2790
03:48:20,160 --> 03:48:24,319
» And then you come back to the original
problem.

2791
03:48:22,800 --> 03:48:26,960
» And if we did put a water tower there,
is there any reason we couldn't just

2792
03:48:25,439 --> 03:48:32,160
open those back up at that point and not
have to rely on the booster?

2793
03:48:29,359 --> 03:48:37,040
» Yeah, potentially. Sure.
So again, utilizing land that we already

2794
03:48:33,840 --> 03:48:43,920
own to solve a solution.
The one the one thing, Mayor, um

2795
03:48:40,160 --> 03:48:48,960
» keep keep in mind um for whatever this
is worth,

2796
03:48:46,080 --> 03:48:54,880
» building a water storage tank where
there's no homes

2797
03:48:51,760 --> 03:48:59,920
» would be much more favorable compared to
building a water tank that is going to

2798
03:48:57,920 --> 03:49:04,560
shadow
majority of Majestic Park, especially

2799
03:49:02,880 --> 03:49:09,840
shadow
probably our best park feature. that we

2800
03:49:06,640 --> 03:49:14,880
have being the splice pad. This thing is
going to be huge. Um, you've seen the

2801
03:49:12,880 --> 03:49:20,640
water storage tank that they built at
Highway 95 on the west side of 95.

2802
03:49:18,000 --> 03:49:26,720
» That's the size of a tank we're
potentially talking about. This thing,

2803
03:49:23,199 --> 03:49:30,640
yeah, it's going to be massive. Um,
>> so the the question the question at hand

2804
03:49:28,960 --> 03:49:32,880
though is which neighborhood is going to
get it,

2805
03:49:31,600 --> 03:49:38,319
» right? You're still putting it in the
middle of another neighborhood. Mayor, I

2806
03:49:34,560 --> 03:49:41,840
agree with you on that. But one thing
I'll say it cuz Leon didn't commit to it

2807
03:49:40,720 --> 03:49:45,840
because we don't know when they're going
to develop it. But at least you know

2808
03:49:44,239 --> 03:49:49,359
there's going to be a planned water
storage tank and at least you know

2809
03:49:47,600 --> 03:49:54,399
what's going to be. So it's going to be
buyer beware

2810
03:49:51,359 --> 03:49:58,560
that cards are all flipped over and if
you still want to bet you have a losing

2811
03:49:56,239 --> 03:50:02,399
hand then you're that's what you're
doing. But good example.

2812
03:49:59,680 --> 03:50:05,600
» This thing is going to be huge.
>> Tossic.

2813
03:50:03,760 --> 03:50:08,880
I all the houses that have been built
there are right along the railroad

2814
03:50:06,880 --> 03:50:12,880
tracks from me to you from the railroad
track. I So they know what they're

2815
03:50:10,800 --> 03:50:16,239
getting when they build their house. So
>> you know there's a train.

2816
03:50:14,720 --> 03:50:19,600
» Yeah. So they're going to know when they
build their house there. I'm going to be

2817
03:50:17,680 --> 03:50:22,479
right underneath the water tower
>> or whatever. So

2818
03:50:20,560 --> 03:50:27,040
» Okay,
that's my only two cents worth as far as

2819
03:50:25,040 --> 03:50:31,760
one side or the other. There's hydraulic
things and amount of infrastructure to

2820
03:50:29,840 --> 03:50:38,000
make sure we connect to our existing
piping system. But I I think the the

2821
03:50:35,120 --> 03:50:41,040
element of surprise on holy cow, we got
this big tank that you know I I don't

2822
03:50:40,560 --> 03:50:44,960
know.
>> And if we have we ruled out our current

2823
03:50:43,040 --> 03:50:47,920
site on Rather Mountain, replacing that
smaller tank with a 2 million gallon

2824
03:50:47,279 --> 03:50:49,760
tank up there.
>> We need something in a different

2825
03:50:49,279 --> 03:50:53,600
location.
>> Mayor for 10 years Kevin's been telling

2826
03:50:51,760 --> 03:50:57,920
me we need a tank on the south side.
What what's on the mountain is not a

2827
03:50:56,000 --> 03:51:05,199
little tank. That's a million gallons.
It's big. It's a big daddy tank. Um

2828
03:51:01,439 --> 03:51:06,640
» it's 2,000% bigger than the Majestic
Park.

2829
03:51:05,760 --> 03:51:08,880
» Yeah.
>> Which is

2830
03:51:07,120 --> 03:51:12,319
» And that's not exaggeration. Yes.
>> So if you take that tank down and

2831
03:51:10,640 --> 03:51:15,279
replace it with one that's almost the
same size, it really wouldn't do.

2832
03:51:13,840 --> 03:51:17,840
» Well, it's half the size, but yeah, I
get what you're saying.

2833
03:51:16,080 --> 03:51:21,439
» It's 20 times the size.
>> No. No. If we if we're talking about

2834
03:51:19,920 --> 03:51:24,239
replacing it with a 2 million gallon
tank,

2835
03:51:21,760 --> 03:51:29,520
» I know it'll be it'll be it'll Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. And and again, I you know, I

2836
03:51:27,760 --> 03:51:34,080
want to make sure that we flesh out all
of the options before we really talk

2837
03:51:32,080 --> 03:51:39,279
about one. And I don't think, you know,
I can't ignore also in the back of my

2838
03:51:35,920 --> 03:51:44,479
head that I I've got this recommendation
saying that we can't trust what we've

2839
03:51:41,279 --> 03:51:49,199
got so far from a master plan,
>> but we're basing this on the master

2840
03:51:46,720 --> 03:51:51,920
plan. So, let's tear down or the
hydraulic study.

2841
03:51:50,239 --> 03:51:55,520
» Let's tear down our tower up there to
build another one. And we're going to

2842
03:51:53,120 --> 03:51:59,520
» Kevin has said regardless of what the
master plan says,

2843
03:51:57,279 --> 03:52:05,920
» Kevin has said since I started here in
2016, we need another storage tank. The

2844
03:52:03,199 --> 03:52:12,720
location of it has changed. At one
point, it was near the U

2845
03:52:10,800 --> 03:52:16,399
where KC currently is.
>> Okay,

2846
03:52:13,840 --> 03:52:20,080
» that was one time. There were other
times when it was over by the rather

2847
03:52:18,319 --> 03:52:26,080
power plant
>> since our recent issues with uh

2848
03:52:23,279 --> 03:52:29,680
Brookshshire that has moved closer to
Brookshshire to help service those

2849
03:52:27,760 --> 03:52:35,760
needs. But it has always been a
conversation. It has always been part of

2850
03:52:31,920 --> 03:52:42,319
our capital fee structure as a capital
improvement project for 10 years. So

2851
03:52:39,279 --> 03:52:47,439
this having a water tower isn't based
off of the water master plan that we're

2852
03:52:44,960 --> 03:52:52,720
getting today. It has already been
planned for and prepared for and

2853
03:52:49,439 --> 03:53:00,160
collecting revenue for it since at least
2016 when I started. So yes, the water

2854
03:52:57,040 --> 03:53:08,479
master plan will help us get what we
need in design and height and everything

2855
03:53:04,319 --> 03:53:12,960
else, but the need for that tower in
Kevin's future planning has been there

2856
03:53:11,279 --> 03:53:15,520
since 2016.
>> Yeah.

2857
03:53:13,279 --> 03:53:19,760
» That's why we have $1 million in the
capital uh improvement.

2858
03:53:17,840 --> 03:53:23,359
» Yeah. No, no one I don't think anybody
up here is debating the need for a water

2859
03:53:21,439 --> 03:53:27,439
tower. I I don't think that's it at all.
I I think what's really a question is

2860
03:53:25,920 --> 03:53:32,880
number one the placement of the water
tower. Um you know I think that's that's

2861
03:53:30,560 --> 03:53:37,439
the primary issue that I have and and
that's why I mentioned that you know

2862
03:53:34,640 --> 03:53:43,199
there are other several alternate sites
that would be as good potentially. Um it

2863
03:53:41,279 --> 03:53:47,920
is it is hard to say without a completed
hydraulic study 100%. I can tell you

2864
03:53:46,479 --> 03:53:52,000
that if you wanted to buy the school
district property, it would be a $10

2865
03:53:49,600 --> 03:53:55,520
million ask
because the school district property has

2866
03:53:53,680 --> 03:54:02,000
water and sewer lines on it. It's
developable land and they want something

2867
03:53:58,800 --> 03:54:06,399
comparable to build a
>> school someplace [clears throat] else.

2868
03:54:04,000 --> 03:54:11,680
» Yeah. So
>> if you So what we have is what you've

2869
03:54:09,600 --> 03:54:17,199
mentioned so far. We have the land
that's on the Meyer property. We have

2870
03:54:14,720 --> 03:54:22,080
talked about the the price tag of the
school land which is higher than

2871
03:54:20,000 --> 03:54:29,520
anything possibly
>> more than the land at 150,000 more than

2872
03:54:25,840 --> 03:54:34,560
the land uh price of doing 300,000 plus
in water lines.

2873
03:54:31,199 --> 03:54:41,600
» And then we have the majestic park area
which I have my grandchild that plays at

2874
03:54:38,640 --> 03:54:46,080
that park. Do I want them playing next
to a million gallon water tank?

2875
03:54:44,399 --> 03:54:48,960
» No, but you want to build houses around
it.

2876
03:54:47,680 --> 03:54:53,199
» So, you want to put other people's
families at risk?

2877
03:54:49,920 --> 03:54:57,920
» No. But other people's families have the
option because they know it's going to

2878
03:54:55,040 --> 03:55:01,600
be there. They get to make that choice.
>> Well, we're putting in a new city park

2879
03:55:00,160 --> 03:55:05,840
and you have the option to play over
there.

2880
03:55:04,160 --> 03:55:08,880
I mean, I I understand what you're
saying. I'm just saying that there are

2881
03:55:07,120 --> 03:55:12,399
options and I'm just laying out what
those options are.

2882
03:55:10,080 --> 03:55:14,399
» I feel that this is our best option.
>> Mr. Mayor, may I speak?

2883
03:55:13,680 --> 03:55:18,720
» Go ahead, Laura.
>> I I wanted to speak about some of the

2884
03:55:17,040 --> 03:55:21,359
concerns I had about it.
>> Okay.

2885
03:55:19,120 --> 03:55:29,279
» Um, [clears throat] one, as I feel that
this proposed agreement is definitely

2886
03:55:26,000 --> 03:55:34,479
favors the applicant far more than it
favors the city that they're getting far

2887
03:55:31,199 --> 03:55:40,958
more than we are. Um although I do
understand the value of the the water

2888
03:55:37,680 --> 03:55:45,199
power the land for that. Um but
[clears throat]

2889
03:55:42,399 --> 03:55:50,160
from just a financial perspective
they're getting a much better deal. Uh

2890
03:55:47,680 --> 03:55:57,520
the other thing is the green space uh
requirement that they're wanting to say

2891
03:55:53,040 --> 03:56:02,960
that that water tower acre should apply
to green space. Um that's going to be a

2892
03:56:00,479 --> 03:56:08,800
fence off fenced off area. the public
can't get into that. The purpose of the

2893
03:56:05,120 --> 03:56:14,720
green space is for the public to be able
to enjoy it on some level. Um

2894
03:56:12,397 --> 03:56:19,359
[clears throat] that so I have a problem
with that. The other thing is there are

2895
03:56:16,960 --> 03:56:25,520
other locations that I do think are
still that we should look into. There's

2896
03:56:22,640 --> 03:56:31,600
the um parcel to the south, the parcel
to the west of that area that we're

2897
03:56:29,600 --> 03:56:36,239
looking and the parcels to the north.
Those are all potential areas that we

2898
03:56:34,960 --> 03:56:40,479
could look at as well.
>> So, the parcels to the north is owned by

2899
03:56:38,319 --> 03:56:44,319
North Idaho College and is expected to
be expanded in the future for

2900
03:56:42,640 --> 03:56:46,800
educational purposes.
>> So, that's not a viable location.

2901
03:56:46,399 --> 03:56:55,120
» Okay.
>> The other area is KEK. That is also a

2902
03:56:51,439 --> 03:56:59,520
future expansion area for their program.
>> The other area to the north of the

2903
03:56:57,199 --> 03:57:05,520
property is the Lakeland School
District's high school. No, I meant to

2904
03:57:02,319 --> 03:57:08,960
the um to [clears throat] the west and
the south.

2905
03:57:06,560 --> 03:57:12,720
» It's unincorporated area owned by the
Aristad family.

2906
03:57:10,640 --> 03:57:20,720
» Yeah. And you had mentioned that we
could possibly look into annexing just a

2907
03:57:16,239 --> 03:57:23,760
acre of that land and then offering um
>> if the property owner is willing to do

2908
03:57:22,960 --> 03:57:29,439
that and
>> maybe we should explore that. I have

2909
03:57:26,399 --> 03:57:35,439
talked with that property owner and if
he's going to donate the land, he wants

2910
03:57:31,840 --> 03:57:38,640
the entire thing annexed, not a oneacre
parcel.

2911
03:57:36,479 --> 03:57:42,479
» Um, what about to the south?
>> That is the Meyer families as well.

2912
03:57:40,479 --> 03:57:49,680
» So, have we looked into that?
>> Uh, yes, we have. And

2913
03:57:46,160 --> 03:57:55,040
» they would like to have that annexation
uh as part of the contingency of that

2914
03:57:52,080 --> 03:57:59,760
land as well for the entire 80 acres. So
that was part of the conversation that

2915
03:57:56,880 --> 03:58:04,560
we had with the family uh when we
started to develop this agreement

2916
03:58:01,680 --> 03:58:07,600
» about the uh I mean we and we can play
this game all night, right? I mean

2917
03:58:06,000 --> 03:58:12,399
there's a lot of there's a lot of spots
in that section of town. Um you know,

2918
03:58:10,080 --> 03:58:18,640
one that um has been voiced as a concern
in the past is the um north east corner

2919
03:58:16,640 --> 03:58:22,720
of Meyer and Lancaster that it's going
to be difficult for anybody to build

2920
03:58:20,000 --> 03:58:28,160
there. Um, you know, there's also
commercial land potentially on the

2921
03:58:25,439 --> 03:58:32,880
southwest side of Meyer and Lancaster
that, you know, we could potentially

2922
03:58:29,920 --> 03:58:35,680
negotiate for an an acre of land out of
that.

2923
03:58:34,000 --> 03:58:38,160
» So, same family owned by the same
people,

2924
03:58:36,880 --> 03:58:42,560
» but but would it have the same
infrastructure cost

2925
03:58:40,720 --> 03:58:45,760
since it's essentially on the main?
>> Not, but that's prime commercial

2926
03:58:43,920 --> 03:58:49,279
property. You think about it being right
next to a high school. Would you like to

2927
03:58:47,520 --> 03:58:54,080
have a piece of commercial property next
to about

2928
03:58:50,800 --> 03:59:00,720
800 to a,000 kids that would like to run
and buy something for lunch.

2929
03:58:58,080 --> 03:59:06,000
I mean, that's prime commercial property
and the likelihood of buying that

2930
03:59:03,120 --> 03:59:10,160
property at a price less than what we're
getting for now is is unrealistic.

2931
03:59:08,800 --> 03:59:13,680
» Yeah, I think they want to for the
entirety of it a little over a million,

2932
03:59:11,760 --> 03:59:18,479
right?
I didn't look into that, but I can tell

2933
03:59:15,279 --> 03:59:24,319
you commercial property, you're talking
at well over $250,000 an acre.

2934
03:59:21,840 --> 03:59:29,680
» Here, here's the here's how I see it.
Okay, and I I appreciate you saying,

2935
03:59:26,319 --> 03:59:34,479
well, the value to them is greater than
the value to the city, [snorts] but

2936
03:59:31,520 --> 03:59:39,199
you're looking at it in dollars. Okay,
let me let me clarify that. Here's a

2937
03:59:37,199 --> 03:59:43,840
family that's done a lot for this area
for a long time. Okay, they're willing

2938
03:59:41,520 --> 03:59:47,359
to give us a piece of property. Donate a
piece of property. We don't have to pay

2939
03:59:45,359 --> 03:59:54,319
for it. Okay, [snorts] they're going to
donate it. That's got a value of way way

2940
03:59:51,279 --> 03:59:58,279
underestimated if if they just want to
annex in their or

2941
03:59:58,720 --> 04:00:07,040
uh do their um reszone of their property
and they're willing to do that for us.

2942
04:00:05,040 --> 04:00:13,600
We need the property. We need the water
tower. Everything's in place.

2943
04:00:10,399 --> 04:00:17,920
I I don't look at it as if we don't do
that, then we're going to have to go

2944
04:00:14,960 --> 04:00:23,040
somewhere else and more than likely more
than likely have to pay for a piece of

2945
04:00:19,840 --> 04:00:26,960
property. Number one. Number two, how
long is it going to take before we find

2946
04:00:24,800 --> 04:00:31,359
another place? There goes our water
tower another year or two years down the

2947
04:00:29,439 --> 04:00:36,800
road. We can start building this water
tower almost immediately.

2948
04:00:34,080 --> 04:00:41,840
And I think it's a big value and a
benefit to the city. And I think we

2949
04:00:39,600 --> 04:00:47,600
should accept it. I Yeah, there's
there's pros and cons either way, but

2950
04:00:45,760 --> 04:00:51,479
darn I'll be darned if I can see
something better right now.

2951
04:00:53,120 --> 04:00:58,479
» Ken,
>> I still have yet to see a con.

2952
04:00:58,000 --> 04:01:03,439
» There you go.
>> The answer to the water problem that

2953
04:01:00,399 --> 04:01:07,520
we've been arguing for years.
Well, I mean what we heard is maybe

2954
04:01:05,600 --> 04:01:11,600
there there may be a better spot to put
it, but

2955
04:01:09,279 --> 04:01:17,160
» okay. It's it's on high ground
>> and it's close to the problem.

2956
04:01:13,199 --> 04:01:17,160
» It it's higher than Brookshshire.

2957
04:01:18,880 --> 04:01:22,319
» I don't know.
>> Which which again would impact cost,

2958
04:01:21,279 --> 04:01:25,760
right? Because the higher you have to
build that, the more expensive it's

2959
04:01:23,760 --> 04:01:28,399
going to be. And so let me ask you the
the funds that are being used, right?

2960
04:01:27,199 --> 04:01:30,479
They're they're being paid for out of
impact fees.

2961
04:01:29,840 --> 04:01:34,479
» Capitalization
>> capitalization fees. Thank you. Um what

2962
04:01:32,560 --> 04:01:38,319
what other projects can that money be
spent on

2963
04:01:36,319 --> 04:01:42,960
» for that water capitalization fee? Only
only water infrastructure items. Anytime

2964
04:01:40,319 --> 04:01:52,080
we you know do a water man that's in our
in our CIP, water tank, water wells. Um

2965
04:01:48,080 --> 04:01:57,279
you can't correct deficiencies
um with that type of thing. You can't go

2966
04:01:53,600 --> 04:02:01,120
out and add more hydrants or anything on
that nature. You're talking about a

2967
04:01:58,720 --> 04:02:06,560
major improvement. Wait, isn't the water
tower correcting a deficiency?

2968
04:02:03,680 --> 04:02:11,840
» No, that's a major capital improvement
that deficiencies like adding more fire

2969
04:02:09,760 --> 04:02:15,760
hydrants. You know, couldn't add a
couldn't add hydrants or

2970
04:02:13,680 --> 04:02:20,479
» you couldn't even take a existing water
line that's 16 in and move it to a 24in

2971
04:02:18,640 --> 04:02:27,062
water line.
That's an existing deficiency. The water

2972
04:02:23,439 --> 04:02:29,920
tower is a capital project that was
[snorts]

2973
04:02:27,600 --> 04:02:35,520
that was
identified and using the correct words

2974
04:02:32,560 --> 04:02:38,640
when we made our capital fee structure.
>> Yeah,

2975
04:02:35,920 --> 04:02:42,640
» it was already identified before there
were pressure issues. It was already

2976
04:02:40,479 --> 04:02:48,479
identified before there was a lot of
growth. It was already identified back

2977
04:02:44,880 --> 04:02:52,960
in 2016 when the city of Rather was
getting about 20 to 30 building permits

2978
04:02:50,720 --> 04:02:58,080
a year. it was already identified at
that particular point in time. That is

2979
04:02:55,120 --> 04:03:05,199
part of planning for the future is to
look at what we're going to need in 5 10

2980
04:03:01,359 --> 04:03:11,279
15 20 years out and then start reserving
and saving for it. The city of Rather

2981
04:03:07,840 --> 04:03:15,520
long before I got here has been a big
proponent for saving for future

2982
04:03:13,920 --> 04:03:20,000
purchases.
And they've done it with city hall. They

2983
04:03:17,840 --> 04:03:25,439
did it with the Okay. Well, they did
they're doing it with this water tower.

2984
04:03:22,319 --> 04:03:32,960
It's part of the planning structure. And
the other thing, like Larry said, is we

2985
04:03:28,399 --> 04:03:39,040
could pass on this. Okay. Do we know
when we'd have an appropriate location

2986
04:03:35,600 --> 04:03:45,359
for this that is going to satisfy not
only the needs of the city, but the

2987
04:03:41,439 --> 04:03:50,640
concerns of the citizenry. Okay.
We have an opportunity to address a

2988
04:03:48,160 --> 04:03:56,800
concern.
We will if we sealed the deal on this

2989
04:03:53,359 --> 04:04:00,479
today, the design of it won't happen
until the water study is done in a

2990
04:03:58,880 --> 04:04:06,080
month.
We probably wouldn't break down on with

2991
04:04:03,040 --> 04:04:13,120
ground on it until March at the very
earliest because of weather at hoping

2992
04:04:09,120 --> 04:04:20,640
that we get the snow this year. Okay.
But the money is proposed in the budget.

2993
04:04:17,040 --> 04:04:26,479
We have an opportunity today to buy land
and start addressing a water pressure

2994
04:04:22,800 --> 04:04:32,000
issue. The design of which will come in
this fall and winter months to make sure

2995
04:04:29,520 --> 04:04:37,279
that it meets the requirements of our
water modeling and our pressure and our

2996
04:04:34,399 --> 04:04:43,760
pressure issues.
We could be building this starting in

2997
04:04:40,399 --> 04:04:51,120
March and April and we could have it in
place by fall of 2028.

2998
04:04:46,880 --> 04:04:56,399
We pass on this and hem and ha about it.
We're kicking that can down the road

2999
04:04:53,520 --> 04:05:03,199
every month that we do that. And I don't
have another solution that gets us to

3000
04:04:59,040 --> 04:05:07,680
this end today. We have this opportunity
now.

3001
04:05:05,040 --> 04:05:14,960
And the value of it is more way more
than the dollars. The value of it is for

3002
04:05:11,840 --> 04:05:19,840
the citizens and what they are expecting
out of us. That's the true value of this

3003
04:05:18,000 --> 04:05:25,680
project.
>> Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion.

3004
04:05:23,439 --> 04:05:31,199
» Go ahead, Larry. like to make make a
motion that we consider you authorizing

3005
04:05:29,040 --> 04:05:36,239
considering the authorization of you to
execute a property donation and water

3006
04:05:33,359 --> 04:05:40,600
infrastructure agreement.
>> Seconded.

3007
04:05:36,880 --> 04:05:40,600
» All right. Made and seconded.

3008
04:05:40,880 --> 04:05:49,080
» Any further uh Ken? Any further
discussion? Laura,

3009
04:05:46,080 --> 04:05:49,080
Larry?

3010
04:05:50,560 --> 04:05:58,800
Okay. I I just have a hard time not
seeing this as the city paying for the

3011
04:05:56,479 --> 04:06:02,720
land one way or another. Um, you know,
depending on which

3012
04:06:00,960 --> 04:06:07,600
um,
you know, which

3013
04:06:05,439 --> 04:06:13,600
I mean, yeah, no matter how how you look
at this, it it seems to me like we're

3014
04:06:10,000 --> 04:06:16,080
giving a lot more than we're getting.
>> You know, I think I think Laura is

3015
04:06:14,960 --> 04:06:20,720
right.
>> Um,

3016
04:06:18,160 --> 04:06:22,960
you're right. I am because I have to be
fiscally responsible with the citizens

3017
04:06:22,399 --> 04:06:27,520
money
>> and and the staff has always had the

3018
04:06:25,600 --> 04:06:29,920
fiscal responsibility of the city's
money.

3019
04:06:28,080 --> 04:06:34,800
» But you're saying ignore the money.
>> No, I'm not. I'm saying the value is in

3020
04:06:32,960 --> 04:06:39,279
providing the water tower to the
citizens. That's the value.

3021
04:06:36,960 --> 04:06:42,560
» You utilizing a hydraulic model that
isn't done and we're not even sure that

3022
04:06:40,880 --> 04:06:46,880
that really is the optimal place to put
it. Okay.

3023
04:06:44,239 --> 04:06:50,640
» Let me [clears throat] ask a question.
What if

3024
04:06:48,640 --> 04:06:57,239
uh 6 months down the road we find a
better piece of property?

3025
04:06:52,720 --> 04:06:57,239
» Can we give that property back to them

3026
04:06:57,279 --> 04:07:03,120
» and not
>> we could work an agreement to do that

3027
04:07:00,720 --> 04:07:07,439
and resell it to somebody else and we
would still have responsibility of

3028
04:07:05,840 --> 04:07:11,359
» the water lines,
>> right? Or wait till they build their

3029
04:07:09,840 --> 04:07:13,520
subdivision and sell it and it'd be
worth the 800,000,

3030
04:07:13,199 --> 04:07:17,920
» right?
>> Or whatever. Okay. So, I mean, there's a

3031
04:07:16,239 --> 04:07:22,720
negative way of looking at everything,
but man, we've been pounding this for a

3032
04:07:20,720 --> 04:07:28,560
half an hour and I and we had it last
week. I just

3033
04:07:25,199 --> 04:07:33,600
» may I I I think that
I would like to see us fully explore

3034
04:07:30,800 --> 04:07:39,199
other locations and I believe Kevin did
bring up that there are other locations

3035
04:07:36,720 --> 04:07:44,359
that they've are looking at and have
deemed that could be acceptable.

3036
04:07:45,600 --> 04:07:50,800
But are they available?
>> That we don't know. We have to explore.

3037
04:07:49,040 --> 04:07:52,640
We have to explore that. But we haven't
yet.

3038
04:07:51,199 --> 04:07:57,439
» How long is that going to take?
>> That's unknown.

3039
04:07:54,560 --> 04:08:02,000
» Okay. I [clears throat] I I think we
have a very good gift here and I think

3040
04:07:59,040 --> 04:08:05,920
we need to take advantage of this.
>> You don't pay [clears throat] for gifts.

3041
04:08:05,520 --> 04:08:10,479
» Matt,
>> Leon, is there any way that we're able

3042
04:08:07,840 --> 04:08:15,520
to delay a decision on this or does do
we have to have a decision today? So

3043
04:08:13,040 --> 04:08:20,800
here's the this the second item on the
agenda has to be addressed today. This

3044
04:08:18,640 --> 04:08:24,560
agreement has within it that if we
approve it, we already have the

3045
04:08:22,160 --> 04:08:29,600
signatures of the land owners on this
that if we approve it, then the

3046
04:08:26,399 --> 04:08:33,760
reconsideration and the takings analysis
goes away

3047
04:08:31,439 --> 04:08:40,160
plus the ability for them to sue the
city. So if we table this and wait for

3048
04:08:37,040 --> 04:08:46,960
two weeks till the next council meeting
then what we have is that we do have to

3049
04:08:44,239 --> 04:08:51,600
address the reconsideration and we do
have to work on that.

3050
04:08:48,720 --> 04:08:55,199
» Um so that is what we have in front of
us

3051
04:08:52,080 --> 04:08:58,720
» and and we can't table item F.
>> You cannot

3052
04:08:56,319 --> 04:09:03,359
» and if we do the reconsideration and we
agree to it then we then the propertyy's

3053
04:09:02,000 --> 04:09:06,560
off the table.
>> Right. Am I correct?

3054
04:09:04,319 --> 04:09:10,399
» It just means they get the reszone
without any condition.

3055
04:09:08,720 --> 04:09:15,132
» They don't get the we don't and we don't
get the property,

3056
04:09:11,439 --> 04:09:16,800
» right? And they don't get the everything
[clears throat] else that they're

3057
04:09:15,840 --> 04:09:22,319
getting with it.
>> Well, sorry. What is the what is the

3058
04:09:18,960 --> 04:09:29,040
value of the 200 by 200 foot?
>> We haven't made um we're just we we

3059
04:09:27,120 --> 04:09:33,600
understand what finished lots have been
selling for in other areas recently. Um

3060
04:09:32,319 --> 04:09:34,960
and
Not cheap.

3061
04:09:34,399 --> 04:09:41,439
» We're not buying.
>> This is not a finished lot,

3062
04:09:38,560 --> 04:09:46,479
» but it will certainly be in that area.
>> Is it Is it Is the value of the land

3063
04:09:44,560 --> 04:09:50,880
more than what it's going to cost us to
put the pipe in?

3064
04:09:48,000 --> 04:09:53,840
» Absolutely. It's right here.
>> Yes.

3065
04:09:51,359 --> 04:09:57,840
» Sorry. Yeah. The value of the land.
>> Oh, again, mayor. Let me back up before

3066
04:09:55,680 --> 04:10:00,160
I quickly answer. Yes.
>> I'm not an appraiser.

3067
04:09:59,359 --> 04:10:05,840
» Yeah.
>> But I happen to buy a lot of right away.

3068
04:10:02,880 --> 04:10:11,279
uh that type of thing. But uh yeah, I
would certainly say it'd be worth it. Um

3069
04:10:09,600 --> 04:10:14,160
I I think it'd be more than the water
main extensions.

3070
04:10:13,760 --> 04:10:18,399
So,
>> and you're basing your judgment off of

3071
04:10:16,239 --> 04:10:23,120
me that says I'm not an appraiser. I
don't buy land. Kevin does.

3072
04:10:21,199 --> 04:10:27,760
» And you're looking at a monetary value
of the land. And then you your question

3073
04:10:24,960 --> 04:10:33,600
was more than is the value of the land
worth more than putting the pipe in? If

3074
04:10:29,600 --> 04:10:36,319
we put the water tower where the
>> the water

3075
04:10:34,239 --> 04:10:38,800
» If we put the if we put it at Majestic
Park, you said we're gonna have to run

3076
04:10:37,600 --> 04:10:42,160
more line, right?
>> Yeah.

3077
04:10:39,279 --> 04:10:45,040
» Okay. So, there again, no matter where
we go, we're going to have to run water

3078
04:10:43,760 --> 04:10:49,600
line. Correct.
>> Hear me out, Larry. My concern about

3079
04:10:47,120 --> 04:10:54,720
Majestic Park is more about the element
of surprise to an established

3080
04:10:52,640 --> 04:11:00,239
neighborhood of an established park with
this huge monstrosity of

3081
04:10:57,600 --> 04:11:02,800
» Well, no, I'm I'm trying to correlate
that.

3082
04:11:00,720 --> 04:11:06,399
» That's my bigger concern. It's not an
engineering or a technical concern.

3083
04:11:04,399 --> 04:11:10,319
Yeah. Pops in. It seems to work. We
could figure out a way to make water

3084
04:11:08,319 --> 04:11:18,160
lines work. That type of thing. Um,
yeah, there's expense to it, but

3085
04:11:14,640 --> 04:11:23,359
to, you know, to put what Leon's and
understand part of this is,

3086
04:11:21,199 --> 04:11:29,120
I thought we had a a land use action
that had kind of an opportunity in front

3087
04:11:25,680 --> 04:11:33,199
of us to try to get something as part of
what we were, you know, what was being

3088
04:11:30,960 --> 04:11:38,800
requested with changing their zoning
back. Um, we do it's

3089
04:11:36,399 --> 04:11:43,920
quote unquote in this potential problem
area. It just seemed to check a lot of

3090
04:11:42,160 --> 04:11:49,600
boxes for what we're doing. And mayor, I
understand it's not a perfect solution.

3091
04:11:47,840 --> 04:11:55,439
Um,
but man, it it ticks a lot of boxes. So,

3092
04:11:52,800 --> 04:12:00,720
on what we're trying to do and
uh we've got a pretty good track record

3093
04:11:57,120 --> 04:12:04,160
on procuring these type of things. Um,
we just built that roundabout at

3094
04:12:02,080 --> 04:12:08,960
Lancaster Meyer and you know, we bought
no rideway for that.

3095
04:12:06,640 --> 04:12:14,720
Uh, we we acquired all that rideway back
when Lancaster Road was a gravel road.

3096
04:12:12,000 --> 04:12:20,720
Who knew it was going to be a two-lane
multi-lane roundabout?

3097
04:12:17,840 --> 04:12:26,319
I knew eventually it was going to be, so
I got the rightway for it. In this case,

3098
04:12:22,479 --> 04:12:30,960
I think yeah, we're making a pretty good
judgment of what we're getting out of

3099
04:12:27,840 --> 04:12:37,120
it. is I I have to agree with you. It's
not a perfect solution, but my goodness,

3100
04:12:33,439 --> 04:12:43,279
it is it is a prime opportunity right
now to obtain something that might

3101
04:12:40,080 --> 04:12:49,439
answer quite a few problems.
Potentially answer quite a few problems.

3102
04:12:47,920 --> 04:12:53,199
» Kevin, you said this ticks a lot of
boxes. What boxes does it not tick in

3103
04:12:51,680 --> 04:12:56,720
your head?
I think the mayor's,

3104
04:12:55,279 --> 04:13:01,199
you know, the one thing he's mentioned
is just the water line uh or the

3105
04:12:59,279 --> 04:13:07,199
location of where the water tank is in
relationship to where our water lines

3106
04:13:03,600 --> 04:13:12,960
are. That distance is probably if it was
right next to our water lines and we had

3107
04:13:10,239 --> 04:13:18,319
minimal amount of pipe to go to it, that
would score higher than what this

3108
04:13:16,080 --> 04:13:24,000
particular site would.
those other sites would score a lot

3109
04:13:21,920 --> 04:13:30,720
lower in the fact that we'd have to
obtain that right away appraise it go

3110
04:13:27,439 --> 04:13:34,239
after try to purchase it listen to that
northeast corner where Copper Basin owns

3111
04:13:32,640 --> 04:13:38,239
that property say no we're not selling
it to you and we go okay would you use

3112
04:13:35,920 --> 04:13:42,880
imminent domain and then we pay four or
five times what the value of that

3113
04:13:39,840 --> 04:13:48,960
property is because of legal reasons and
just bid on the DO min roundabout uh

3114
04:13:45,680 --> 04:13:54,880
years ago Um there's just quite a few
unknowns and this one

3115
04:13:52,080 --> 04:13:59,439
this one feels like a much a lot more
known are out there.

3116
04:13:57,199 --> 04:14:06,080
» And and just to be clear, sorry, just to
be clear, um the the agreement under 1D

3117
04:14:03,120 --> 04:14:09,680
does specifically dictate exactly what
the city can use this land for. It is

3118
04:14:08,080 --> 04:14:15,600
not an option to resell the land if we
choose a better site later.

3119
04:14:11,760 --> 04:14:17,199
» That's quite possibly true. Um I don't
know that.

3120
04:14:16,720 --> 04:14:21,520
approval.
>> So, so sorry. Use the use of water

3121
04:14:19,840 --> 04:14:25,920
facility site. The city may use the
donation site for any municipal purpose

3122
04:14:23,520 --> 04:14:30,159
it deems necessary, including but not
limited to a water storage tank, well,

3123
04:14:28,159 --> 04:14:34,239
pump station, treatment facilities,
telemetry, access drives, security

3124
04:14:32,239 --> 04:14:37,760
fencing, drainage, utilities,
maintenance, repair, replacement,

3125
04:14:35,840 --> 04:14:42,560
reconstruction,
and related public utility improvements.

3126
04:14:40,080 --> 04:14:47,680
and their current intent is to build the
water tower or possibly well.

3127
04:14:45,359 --> 04:14:49,920
» Unless we get the water plan next month
and find out there's a better spot for

3128
04:14:48,960 --> 04:14:55,279
it.
>> I would doubt that that we would have a

3129
04:14:52,640 --> 04:14:59,840
water plan that didn't say you can build
it, but you have to build it either 12t

3130
04:14:57,520 --> 04:15:03,120
higher or 12 feet lower. That's going to
be the difference. It's not going to be

3131
04:15:01,199 --> 04:15:08,800
the location. It's going to be the
difference in the height of the design.

3132
04:15:06,159 --> 04:15:14,000
Go ahead. I I I was going to ask, have
we considered the land that's owned by

3133
04:15:11,439 --> 04:15:18,800
the city of Wrath that's just south of
the new city hall?

3134
04:15:16,000 --> 04:15:21,359
» It's zoned commercial for the purpose of
selling it to replenish our fundamental

3135
04:15:20,800 --> 04:15:28,560
mountains.
>> Well, perhaps we can

3136
04:15:24,319 --> 04:15:32,399
» far more valuable. an acre of it or 200
by 200 site

3137
04:15:30,000 --> 04:15:36,880
» would be about if you were to look at it
the price of that would probably be more

3138
04:15:34,399 --> 04:15:38,000
than lot the water line and the property
itself.

3139
04:15:37,439 --> 04:15:40,800
» Yeah,
>> that is an extremely valuable piece of

3140
04:15:40,479 --> 04:15:43,279
property
>> for each property. Yeah.

3141
04:15:41,920 --> 04:15:46,800
» Oh, what about the back side of the
park?

3142
04:15:43,920 --> 04:15:51,359
» Just an idea
about

3143
04:15:48,880 --> 04:15:55,359
» just just throwing out ideas.
spitball and I don't have a good deal

3144
04:15:52,960 --> 04:15:58,720
for that one, but you might you might be
spot on on something or

3145
04:15:56,960 --> 04:16:01,840
» I mean we were talking about
>> cut cut down all those trees in the

3146
04:16:00,319 --> 04:16:05,199
northeast corner of the new city park.
We can throw a water tower up there.

3147
04:16:03,199 --> 04:16:09,120
» We we can come up with a whole lot of
ideas but there is a motion on the table

3148
04:16:07,920 --> 04:16:13,800
I think.
>> Are you okay?

3149
04:16:10,080 --> 04:16:13,800
» I'm calling the vote.

3150
04:16:14,399 --> 04:16:16,880
» Mary Sanders.
>> Yes.

3151
04:16:16,000 --> 04:16:18,960
» Ken Owens.
>> Yes.

3152
04:16:18,080 --> 04:16:24,880
» Laura Fuller.
>> No. Matthew start.

3153
04:16:22,960 --> 04:16:28,520
» Yes.
>> All right. Motion passes.

3154
04:16:28,880 --> 04:16:33,680
» Um that means
>> item F is moved.

3155
04:16:33,120 --> 04:16:37,840
» Item F.
>> Item F can be removed.

3156
04:16:34,800 --> 04:16:42,399
» Can be removed. Uh do we have to vote on
that since it's a change to the

3157
04:16:40,080 --> 04:16:47,439
» agreement says that it's null and void.
>> I I just Okay. All right. Uh item G,

3158
04:16:46,159 --> 04:16:52,339
action item, consideration of
authorizing the mayor to execute the SRO

3159
04:16:49,439 --> 04:16:56,640
agree. Dan, uh agreement with the
[laughter]

3160
04:16:53,520 --> 04:17:00,000
» Lakeland School District for the 202627
school year.

3161
04:16:58,000 --> 04:17:02,960
» Oh, it should take 30 seconds.
>> State your name and address, please.

3162
04:17:01,600 --> 04:17:07,040
» Yeah.
>> Uh so before you use the an updated

3163
04:17:05,279 --> 04:17:11,359
contract, basically the only change is
the amount. So officer Baker will be

3164
04:17:09,600 --> 04:17:16,159
assigned as the SRO this year. So this
is reflects his pay and benefits each

3165
04:17:14,159 --> 04:17:20,640
month. So that's the only change in the
contract. I've given it to the um acting

3166
04:17:18,880 --> 04:17:24,080
superintendent Jake Massie. He's looked
it over and feels very comfortable with

3167
04:17:22,080 --> 04:17:27,680
it. We'll present it to them next
Wednesday.

3168
04:17:25,840 --> 04:17:30,239
» Will he be assigned to a school or will
he bounce between schools or how does

3169
04:17:29,439 --> 04:17:35,279
that work?
>> Yeah. So the the specific ones that he

3170
04:17:33,279 --> 04:17:39,120
starts out with is the alternative high
school and then two elementary schools.

3171
04:17:37,279 --> 04:17:42,319
um if they are not able to hire someone
at the middle school, he will cover that

3172
04:17:41,040 --> 04:17:45,680
as well.
>> So, as far as the uh armed security

3173
04:17:44,399 --> 04:17:48,640
guard,
>> hopefully that's a good little bump for

3174
04:17:47,359 --> 04:17:54,720
him if that's the case.
>> Yeah. [laughter]

3175
04:17:50,560 --> 04:17:56,880
» Is the high is is Hatcher still going to
be at the high school?

3176
04:17:55,520 --> 04:17:59,760
» Yes. Yep. From my understanding, he's
still at the high school. So,

3177
04:17:57,920 --> 04:18:00,960
» but and he's there full-time all the
time.

3178
04:18:00,319 --> 04:18:04,960
» Yes.
>> During during school time? Okay.

3179
04:18:02,640 --> 04:18:07,520
» Yep.
>> Questions?

3180
04:18:06,560 --> 04:18:14,120
Sorry, Matt. Question.
>> Nope. Ken, question.

3181
04:18:10,479 --> 04:18:14,120
» Is there a motion?

3182
04:18:20,080 --> 04:18:25,279
» Uh, [laughter] Mr. Mayor.
>> All right, Larry.

3183
04:18:22,720 --> 04:18:30,000
» I'd like to make a motion to consider
you authorize to execute the SRO

3184
04:18:28,479 --> 04:18:36,080
agreement with the Lakeland School
District for the 26 27 school year.

3185
04:18:33,920 --> 04:18:39,960
» I second. All right. made and seconded.
Is there any further discussion?

3186
04:18:40,960 --> 04:18:46,720
» Lauren, you take the role.
>> Did you second?

3187
04:18:44,560 --> 04:18:51,760
» Yes, he did. Oh, Matt did. Sorry, Matt
did. It was not Ken this time.

3188
04:18:50,640 --> 04:18:56,080
» It's getting late. You guys are starting
to sound the same. [laughter]

3189
04:18:54,560 --> 04:18:59,319
» Just so we don't start looking the same,
we're okay.

3190
04:18:59,439 --> 04:19:03,040
» Larry Sanders.
>> Yes.

3191
04:19:01,760 --> 04:19:05,199
» Yes.
>> Yes.

3192
04:19:04,479 --> 04:19:10,960
Yes. All
>> right. Uh, moving on to

3193
04:19:08,319 --> 04:19:15,199
8H, consideration of a resolution
selecting Free Form as the furniture

3194
04:19:12,880 --> 04:19:19,600
company to provide and install furniture
for the new city hall project.

3195
04:19:17,040 --> 04:19:23,920
» Mr. Mayor and Council, I included a memo
on this and hopefully you've had a

3196
04:19:21,120 --> 04:19:30,319
chance to read that, but uh basically we
looked at three different companies. All

3197
04:19:25,600 --> 04:19:34,720
the companies did uh uh have
contract pricing through the state. of

3198
04:19:32,560 --> 04:19:41,120
the furniture is under those contract
pricings. Uh they all had good customer

3199
04:19:38,239 --> 04:19:45,600
service as far as providing us with
information and trying to be helpful. Um

3200
04:19:43,840 --> 04:19:52,560
but when it came down to it, it was the
delivery of the equipment, the furniture

3201
04:19:49,199 --> 04:19:57,680
when we uh they do processes different
than anybody else. They get it at their

3202
04:19:55,199 --> 04:20:02,319
warehouse. They open open it before it's
delivered. They assemble it to the much

3203
04:20:00,399 --> 04:20:08,640
as they can to make it easy to go in and
out of the building with it. Uh then

3204
04:20:04,560 --> 04:20:13,199
they wrap it with blankets and uh shrink
wrap and then they put it on a

3205
04:20:11,040 --> 04:20:18,000
semi-trail so when they bring it to the
city hall they'll be able to have it

3206
04:20:15,439 --> 04:20:23,680
installed within a week's time frame. Uh
the rest of the locations were looking

3207
04:20:20,080 --> 04:20:27,840
at four, six or eight weeks um to
provide the installation. The difference

3208
04:20:25,520 --> 04:20:34,560
being is they would drop off the boxes
at city hall uh after the trades already

3209
04:20:31,439 --> 04:20:38,239
left and then they would unbox it and
assemble it. The big difference is

3210
04:20:36,800 --> 04:20:43,040
damage.
>> Um Reform would [clears throat] find the

3211
04:20:40,239 --> 04:20:47,359
damage before the installation date.
They'd be able to order new pieces and

3212
04:20:45,120 --> 04:20:51,680
get them uh delivered hopefully as close
to the installation date as possible.

3213
04:20:50,080 --> 04:20:56,560
And then that way we don't have to deal
with that. The other ones would find it

3214
04:20:54,319 --> 04:21:01,359
at the delivery date while they're
trying to assemble it and then any

3215
04:20:58,800 --> 04:21:06,319
damages we would have to wait for, you
know, the four to six weeks in addition

3216
04:21:03,199 --> 04:21:10,800
to get those items replaced and then
assembled and put together. This is a

3217
04:21:08,880 --> 04:21:15,840
resolution saying that the staff can
work with free form as the selected

3218
04:21:12,880 --> 04:21:19,680
contractor. There will be a future
contract that will come in front of the

3219
04:21:17,520 --> 04:21:24,960
city council to approve. So we're not
authorizing staff to spend any money at

3220
04:21:22,399 --> 04:21:30,640
this particular point in time. This is
solely to direct staff to work with free

3221
04:21:27,680 --> 04:21:38,319
form as the provide uh accepted
contractor out of the three contractors.

3222
04:21:34,479 --> 04:21:42,399
» Did the contractors provide um
an estimate of how much?

3223
04:21:39,920 --> 04:21:46,040
» Yes, all three all three came at close
to the same price.

3224
04:21:46,960 --> 04:21:55,760
They're a little different in pricing
based off of the um the equipment that

3225
04:21:53,279 --> 04:22:00,399
they're furnishing, but all of them came
in at about the $300,000 price tag,

3226
04:21:58,479 --> 04:22:03,439
which is what we asked us to stay
within.

3227
04:22:02,000 --> 04:22:07,840
» Comparable quality [clears throat]
also.

3228
04:22:04,159 --> 04:22:12,720
» Yes. And warranties are all comparable.
um with Free Form, their warranties. If

3229
04:22:11,199 --> 04:22:17,840
we have any problems with any of the
furniture for the first 10 years, then

3230
04:22:15,120 --> 04:22:21,680
we contact them. They order the parts.
They come and assemble it. They come and

3231
04:22:20,000 --> 04:22:26,640
do all of the work. We don't have to do
any work on the furniture for the 10

3232
04:22:24,159 --> 04:22:31,359
years that the warranty covers that. The
chairs do not have a 10-year warranty.

3233
04:22:28,800 --> 04:22:35,199
No chairs have a 10-year warranty, but
they are willing to work with us on

3234
04:22:32,880 --> 04:22:40,640
staff to also bring what they they
called a chair rodeo where they bring in

3235
04:22:38,000 --> 04:22:44,399
five chairs. Staff gets to pick their
chair and we'll holster them all the

3236
04:22:43,199 --> 04:22:50,616
same. [laughter]
So, so you get what you want in that

3237
04:22:48,000 --> 04:22:53,920
sense, but they look and they fit with
[laughter] what's going on there. So

3238
04:22:52,000 --> 04:22:58,080
that we don't have gaming chairs from
Costco versus

3239
04:22:55,760 --> 04:23:02,239
» you know other chairs
>> like what we have today

3240
04:22:59,840 --> 04:23:07,120
» a mix match of of everything.
>> Was Free Form like the highest dollar?

3241
04:23:06,000 --> 04:23:10,239
» No money.
>> They were not. The highest dollar

3242
04:23:08,956 --> 04:23:15,439
[clears throat] was one of the other
companies that we waited until the

3243
04:23:12,640 --> 04:23:24,239
beginning of August to get that. Their
price range is between 250 and 310. Uh

3244
04:23:19,199 --> 04:23:30,720
the other ones were 300, 310, 315. So
yeah, this is a far better deal in price

3245
04:23:26,800 --> 04:23:33,720
as well as in delivery.
>> Okay,

3246
04:23:34,640 --> 04:23:42,560
Mr. Mayor, [snorts]
Mr. Sir

3247
04:23:39,680 --> 04:23:46,479
make a motion. Okay. I move to approve
and adopt the resolution for selecting

3248
04:23:44,720 --> 04:23:51,840
Free Form as the furniture company to
provide and install furniture for the

3249
04:23:48,239 --> 04:23:57,199
new city hall project as presented.
>> Second.

3250
04:23:54,239 --> 04:24:00,840
» Made by Matt, seconded by Ken.
Any further discussion?

3251
04:24:01,680 --> 04:24:10,399
» Just want to note that the uh furniture
committee seemed awfully PDheavy.

3252
04:24:07,520 --> 04:24:13,040
» You're welcome. [laughter]
Thank [gasps] you.

3253
04:24:11,760 --> 04:24:15,439
» Back on those chairs.
>> Yeah.

3254
04:24:13,520 --> 04:24:18,388
» Yeah. They'll be the most comfortable
chairs, right?

3255
04:24:16,159 --> 04:24:23,120
» They sit on her butt more than
[laughter]

3256
04:24:20,159 --> 04:24:26,120
» Oh, Larry. Uh Loran, if you can take the
please.

3257
04:24:26,902 --> 04:24:31,520
[laughter]
>> Hi.

3258
04:24:28,800 --> 04:24:35,760
» Thank you.
>> Sanders.

3259
04:24:32,399 --> 04:24:39,840
» Uh I probably better say yes. [laughter]
>> Yes.

3260
04:24:36,479 --> 04:24:43,520
» Great. Um, moving on to item 8 I,
consideration of transfer of funds to

3261
04:24:42,159 --> 04:24:48,080
street improvements.
>> Uh, Mr. Mayor, I'd like to give some

3262
04:24:45,439 --> 04:24:53,920
funds from our public works department
under their salary and benefits line

3263
04:24:51,359 --> 04:24:58,560
items because I want to reconstruct
another street. So, that's what this

3264
04:24:56,640 --> 04:25:02,239
pertains to. The other street will be in
your next agenda item.

3265
04:24:59,760 --> 04:25:05,199
» Have any money left at all, Chris? Or
>> I'm trying to whittle her down.

3266
04:25:03,680 --> 04:25:09,199
» Kevin just vampiring it all out of
there. Oh, I got a few of my own. He's

3267
04:25:07,439 --> 04:25:13,439
kind of psyched that we're redo.
>> Yeah.

3268
04:25:11,279 --> 04:25:17,560
» Awesome.
>> Council questions.

3269
04:25:19,040 --> 04:25:22,040
» Motion.

3270
04:25:31,439 --> 04:25:39,120
» Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion
that we consider the transfer of funds

3271
04:25:36,319 --> 04:25:44,080
for to street improvement for the
repaving of Tombstone Street between

3272
04:25:41,760 --> 04:25:46,800
Meer Road and Flagstaff Street.
>> Sorry. Authorize the

3273
04:25:46,000 --> 04:25:50,080
» authorized. Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh motion made. Is

3274
04:25:48,960 --> 04:25:58,120
there a second?
>> A second. Matt seconds.

3275
04:25:53,600 --> 04:25:58,120
And any further discussion?

3276
04:25:58,239 --> 04:26:01,920
» All right. You can take the role.
>> Sanders.

3277
04:26:00,640 --> 04:26:03,760
» Yes. Matt sir.
>> Yes.

3278
04:26:03,120 --> 04:26:06,560
» Owens.
>> Yes.

3279
04:26:05,120 --> 04:26:11,920
» Yes. [clears throat]
>> All right. Moving on to item 8J. Uh also

3280
04:26:10,239 --> 04:26:15,920
an action item. Consideration of award
of contract with Liberty Landworks for

3281
04:26:13,920 --> 04:26:20,720
Tombstone Street improvements.
>> Mr. Mayor, this is me again as Larry

3282
04:26:17,920 --> 04:26:28,239
Sto. We're looking to reconstruct
Tombstone Street between Myer Road and

3283
04:26:23,600 --> 04:26:32,560
Flagstaff Street. Uh we solicited uh
three different cost proposals. um for

3284
04:26:31,040 --> 04:26:39,040
this work because [clears throat] it was
under the $250,000 threshold which is

3285
04:26:36,399 --> 04:26:45,840
allowed by the Idaho procurement code.
Um from that um Liberty Land Works

3286
04:26:42,479 --> 04:26:51,840
turned in the lowest bid for that. Um
their bid amount was for doing the base

3287
04:26:49,279 --> 04:26:58,239
bid and the alternative bid number one
was lower than my cost assessment. So

3288
04:26:53,840 --> 04:27:03,040
see extremely pleased about that. Um,
and we consider them to be a a

3289
04:27:00,720 --> 04:27:06,239
responsive responsible uh contractor
because they're doing washing street for

3290
04:27:04,720 --> 04:27:13,439
us. So, we have some experience with
them. Um, so with that, I'm looking for

3291
04:27:10,239 --> 04:27:18,399
uh city council's authorization for
Mayor Hodkins to sign the contract with

3292
04:27:16,080 --> 04:27:21,199
Lwood Land Works for the reconstruction
of Tup Street.

3293
04:27:19,520 --> 04:27:24,800
» Stop estimating everything at a billion
dollars, Kevin. Yeah, you [laughter]

3294
04:27:23,359 --> 04:27:28,960
keep making yourself look good. There's
always coming way.

3295
04:27:26,800 --> 04:27:31,960
» I I I
It's

3296
04:27:32,319 --> 04:27:37,600
my trick, mayor. I
>> Yeah, maybe council.

3297
04:27:36,159 --> 04:27:39,520
» Sorry I stole your thing.
>> No, you're good.

3298
04:27:38,319 --> 04:27:42,080
» Nothing from Ken. Matt.
>> Yeah.

3299
04:27:40,640 --> 04:27:47,399
» Larry, any questions?
>> I'm good. Thank you,

3300
04:27:42,800 --> 04:27:47,399
» Laura. Is there a motion?

3301
04:27:50,640 --> 04:27:55,120
Item dies for lack of a motion.
[laughter]

3302
04:27:53,600 --> 04:27:58,399
» Okay, I guess
>> Larry

3303
04:27:55,840 --> 04:28:02,960
» consideration I Mr. Mayor, I'd like to
make a motion that we consideration

3304
04:28:00,960 --> 04:28:05,760
of the award of contract with Liberty
Land Works for Tombstone Street

3305
04:28:04,640 --> 04:28:07,520
Improvements
>> and authoriz

3306
04:28:06,399 --> 04:28:12,080
» authorizing
>> authorizing the mayor to sign it.

3307
04:28:09,120 --> 04:28:15,359
» Okay. Uh made is there a second?
>> Second.

3308
04:28:13,120 --> 04:28:20,640
» Matt seconded again.
Further discussion

3309
04:28:18,720 --> 04:28:21,840
Lauren, you can take the role. Sanders.
>> Yes.

3310
04:28:21,120 --> 04:28:23,840
» Matt sir.
>> Yes.

3311
04:28:23,199 --> 04:28:25,680
» Cowins.
>> Yes.

3312
04:28:25,040 --> 04:28:31,439
» Yes.
>> Great. Uh, moving on to item 8K. Also an

3313
04:28:29,680 --> 04:28:35,279
action item. Election of council
president.

3314
04:28:32,159 --> 04:28:40,159
» Mr. Mayor. Council. Now that we have a
full council, it is time to elect the

3315
04:28:38,239 --> 04:28:44,720
council president. The council president
is elected by the council members only.

3316
04:28:42,399 --> 04:28:50,159
So the mayor doesn't get to break a tie.
Um, we need a council president so that

3317
04:28:47,600 --> 04:28:55,680
in the case that Mayor Hodkins is unable
to perform his duties, whether he's on

3318
04:28:52,159 --> 04:28:58,479
vacation or uh, I don't know, sleeping
at home instead of coming to counseling.

3319
04:28:58,159 --> 04:29:02,880
U,
>> is that an option?

3320
04:29:00,159 --> 04:29:08,800
» Is that an option? [laughter]
>> It would have been for me tonight.

3321
04:29:06,159 --> 04:29:14,239
» But anyway, we need a council uh,
president. So, please uh members of the

3322
04:29:11,600 --> 04:29:18,640
council, if you could, uh select a
member of your body to be the council

3323
04:29:16,720 --> 04:29:20,560
president. Mr. Mayor.
>> Okay.

3324
04:29:19,120 --> 04:29:25,120
» Make a motion.
>> As the most senior member of the

3325
04:29:23,040 --> 04:29:30,399
council, I'd like to nominate Larry
Sanders or council president. You

3326
04:29:27,840 --> 04:29:34,359
» mean you mean the oldest? Well,
>> more ways than one senior.

3327
04:29:35,279 --> 04:29:39,000
» Is there a second?

3328
04:29:40,560 --> 04:29:43,760
I'll second it, I guess.
>> Larry seconds it.

3329
04:29:42,800 --> 04:29:51,520
» This will be a tight.
>> Uh, Laura, any further,

3330
04:29:49,359 --> 04:29:56,319
» Larry?
>> Well, it's really kind of a ineffective

3331
04:29:54,560 --> 04:30:01,359
position. It's just a title more.
>> I beg to differ, but yeah. Um, given the

3332
04:29:59,760 --> 04:30:07,279
position I'm in now, uh,
>> yeah. [laughter] Um

3333
04:30:05,279 --> 04:30:10,279
uh
I

3334
04:30:10,720 --> 04:30:20,159
the consideration that I would give if I
were in your place is stability of the

3335
04:30:16,239 --> 04:30:25,600
council long term. Um to me it is who's
going to be on council the longest and

3336
04:30:22,239 --> 04:30:30,640
the reality is you know I I I think it
would either be Ken or Matt.

3337
04:30:28,319 --> 04:30:34,159
Actually, mayor
council president changes every two

3338
04:30:32,479 --> 04:30:35,600
years. So, it doesn't matter the
longevity of

3339
04:30:34,960 --> 04:30:39,840
» Did we change
>> the council? Yeah, we did. Every

3340
04:30:37,439 --> 04:30:42,239
election we reelect the council
president, the council president can

3341
04:30:41,600 --> 04:30:45,600
same,
>> but every election it changes. It could

3342
04:30:44,560 --> 04:30:50,239
change it.
>> Does that mean it would change um in

3343
04:30:48,319 --> 04:30:53,439
January 2028?
>> Yes. Could be up for consideration in

3344
04:30:52,399 --> 04:30:55,680
January 2020.
>> So, either way, it would be revoted on.

3345
04:30:55,040 --> 04:30:59,359
Okay.
>> All right. Makes sense. You got three

3346
04:30:57,279 --> 04:31:00,399
people for election next term anyway.
>> Yeah.

3347
04:30:59,680 --> 04:31:01,040
» Four.
>> Four.

3348
04:31:00,720 --> 04:31:01,840
» Four.
>> Four.

3349
04:31:01,359 --> 04:31:05,040
» Four.
>> Mayor and three council.

3350
04:31:02,960 --> 04:31:08,000
» Well, that's but by meant for council.
>> Yeah.

3351
04:31:06,239 --> 04:31:11,040
» Uh
Matt, anything?

3352
04:31:09,199 --> 04:31:14,520
» Uh, no. That's my question. The term
length.

3353
04:31:11,520 --> 04:31:14,520
» Ken

3354
04:31:14,880 --> 04:31:18,080
R, you can take the role.
>> Ken Owens.

3355
04:31:17,359 --> 04:31:20,159
» Yes.
>> Larry Sanders.

3356
04:31:19,520 --> 04:31:22,159
» Yes.
>> Laura Fuller.

3357
04:31:21,040 --> 04:31:25,199
» Yes.
>> Matt S.

3358
04:31:23,279 --> 04:31:27,199
» Yes. All right. Motion passes.
Congratulations, Larry.

3359
04:31:26,720 --> 04:31:32,479
» Thank you.
>> Moving on to item nine, staff reports.

3360
04:31:30,159 --> 04:31:38,080
Starting with city administrator.
>> Uh Mr. Mayor, for uh lack of a better

3361
04:31:35,840 --> 04:31:42,537
way to say this, my staff report is in
the packet. Do you have any questions?

3362
04:31:40,518 --> 04:31:42,537
[laughter]

3363
04:31:42,720 --> 04:31:46,520
» Can you read it to me?

3364
04:31:46,560 --> 04:31:53,600
» During the past couple of weeks,
[laughter]

3365
04:31:50,399 --> 04:31:58,640
» I have a question. What's CBA EDC?
Cordelane Area Economic Development

3366
04:31:55,840 --> 04:32:04,000
Corporation. It's uh the organization
within Kney County that works on

3367
04:32:01,040 --> 04:32:10,960
development, our economic development.
Uh we are a member of that organization

3368
04:32:06,880 --> 04:32:17,120
and uh the mayor and myself are board
members. One of us needs to go. I've

3369
04:32:13,279 --> 04:32:21,359
always gone um the meetings at 7 o'clock
in the morning on the first Tuesday of

3370
04:32:19,359 --> 04:32:26,319
every month. and I've asked for an
opportunity to make a presentation to

3371
04:32:23,439 --> 04:32:30,199
them for House Bill 389.
>> You were saying stability.

3372
04:32:31,680 --> 04:32:37,520
» Leon, I I have a question just on your
last bullet point without diving too

3373
04:32:35,760 --> 04:32:41,199
deep. I'm just curious on how long how
much time you spent on it with HR

3374
04:32:39,600 --> 04:32:43,040
issues. So, out of the three weeks
roughly, how many hours did you spend on

3375
04:32:42,640 --> 04:32:48,040
that?
>> I spent three full days on it.

3376
04:32:45,040 --> 04:32:48,040
» Okay.

3377
04:32:48,560 --> 04:32:56,479
» We've had
uh disciplinary

3378
04:32:52,720 --> 04:33:02,560
uh family medical leave act and we've
had a couple other non big items that

3379
04:32:59,520 --> 04:33:04,719
have come up but yes it's been a very
big part of my time in the last couple

3380
04:33:04,320 --> 04:33:08,879
weeks
>> and if the council wanted more details

3381
04:33:06,959 --> 04:33:12,760
that would have to be a future executive
session.

3382
04:33:09,760 --> 04:33:12,760
» Okay,

3383
04:33:13,600 --> 04:33:20,879
any other questions?
All right. Well, let's go ahead and move

3384
04:33:18,561 --> 04:33:25,359
on to parks and recreation. Eric, thank
you for waiting.

3385
04:33:22,160 --> 04:33:30,480
» No, quite use line and [clears throat]
just say my presentations in the packet

3386
04:33:28,240 --> 04:33:33,600
if you guys have any questions.
>> Great. Great job,

3387
04:33:32,080 --> 04:33:36,000
» Terra. Agree.
>> It was probably one of the best I've

3388
04:33:34,959 --> 04:33:40,320
been to so far.
>> Yeah, despite the smoke, it was pretty

3389
04:33:38,000 --> 04:33:44,719
well attended.
>> Do you want to thank Chief Haley and his

3390
04:33:42,879 --> 04:33:48,799
officers? They were there all day and
all night.

3391
04:33:47,119 --> 04:33:53,539
» Thank you, Chief.
>> I never saw him sit down once.

3392
04:33:51,520 --> 04:33:53,539
[laughter]

3393
04:33:58,068 --> 04:34:00,088
[laughter]

3394
04:34:01,439 --> 04:34:04,639
» We ready?
>> Police reporting.

3395
04:34:03,760 --> 04:34:11,439
» Yes, sir.
>> It's in I will say it's in the packet.

3396
04:34:09,119 --> 04:34:15,840
Um, I'd happily answer any other
questions, but uh, two things I want to

3397
04:34:13,199 --> 04:34:20,240
highlight on the part one crimes. We are
coming closer to evening that out uh,

3398
04:34:18,080 --> 04:34:23,920
from that large increase that we had.
Our increases still with our aggravated

3399
04:34:22,000 --> 04:34:27,520
assaults, but our thefts are down
significantly uh, which is starting to

3400
04:34:25,760 --> 04:34:31,680
even some things out on those overall
part one crimes. Part two crimes are up

3401
04:34:29,520 --> 04:34:36,959
because our drug arrests and DUIs are
significantly up over last year. is the

3402
04:34:35,359 --> 04:34:40,160
uh
thefts because word's getting out that

3403
04:34:38,719 --> 04:34:44,879
they're not getting away with stealing
things from super one and

3404
04:34:42,160 --> 04:34:49,680
» I I can't I wish I could say but you
have this amount of proactive work just

3405
04:34:47,279 --> 04:34:50,879
in general it cuts down on the thefts
that occur.

3406
04:34:50,320 --> 04:34:55,039
» Good.
>> So, um so that's the next thing I want

3407
04:34:53,039 --> 04:34:56,799
to point out. Again, we're at a 93%
increase in proactive work.

3408
04:34:56,480 --> 04:35:02,240
» Yeah.
>> So, continuing to to keep up that trend.

3409
04:34:59,680 --> 04:35:06,080
Um it's impressive uh that they're
maintaining that level. So very proud of

3410
04:35:04,000 --> 04:35:10,799
them. Do a lot of great work. Again,
like they were at the taste wrath. Uh

3411
04:35:08,719 --> 04:35:15,359
yes, it was a good it was a good event
and enjoyed myself too. So uh even the

3412
04:35:13,359 --> 04:35:18,799
ash on my boots was good. So
>> yeah, [laughter] a little smoky

3413
04:35:16,719 --> 04:35:21,760
» little smoky, but overall very good. Uh
yeah, the team's doing really good. Uh

3414
04:35:20,320 --> 04:35:25,520
very very proud of what's going on. We
have our drones operational um and

3415
04:35:24,000 --> 04:35:27,920
getting two other guys certified to run
those. So

3416
04:35:25,920 --> 04:35:31,439
» perfect. Another one thing I just want
to bring up talking about drones and

3417
04:35:29,279 --> 04:35:36,160
officer Short. Well, that brings me to I
just uh we have a Bitcoin account that

3418
04:35:33,520 --> 04:35:41,439
just got $21,000 of victim's money back.
Don't into it. So, Officer Short did a

3419
04:35:38,879 --> 04:35:44,320
very good job on that along with some
Spokane County detectives helped us out

3420
04:35:43,279 --> 04:35:47,760
with that. So,
>> I look forward to working through the

3421
04:35:46,240 --> 04:35:53,119
whole legal stuff of getting that back
to the victim. But the money's in our

3422
04:35:49,920 --> 04:35:56,959
account, not the not the suspects. So,
it's a really good thing. Speaking of

3423
04:35:54,561 --> 04:36:00,400
the drones, I understand that the one of
them has infrared.

3424
04:35:58,320 --> 04:36:04,240
» Yep. Yep. We got one with the infrared,
so it'll work at night, the heat

3425
04:36:01,920 --> 04:36:09,520
seeeking as well. It also has a speaker
that uh Officer Short has programmed

3426
04:36:06,400 --> 04:36:12,080
multiple different uh statements uh
towards myself that he played for me in

3427
04:36:11,359 --> 04:36:17,600
my office. So,
>> perfect. [laughter] Nice. Perfect.

3428
04:36:14,160 --> 04:36:24,561
» What's the uh your most
code enforcement? It went up 25%.

3429
04:36:20,879 --> 04:36:28,561
Uh I would I don't actually have a great
answer for you. Uh but just based upon

3430
04:36:26,320 --> 04:36:31,199
what I'm seeing, so code enforcement,
those also include all of our VIN

3431
04:36:30,080 --> 04:36:34,561
inspections. Okay.
>> And we are one of the top places for

3432
04:36:33,600 --> 04:36:39,279
people coming to get their VIN
inspections done because we still do

3433
04:36:35,840 --> 04:36:43,039
them. Um so we handle them within the
city limits. We will actually go out. Uh

3434
04:36:41,359 --> 04:36:46,719
but if it's somebody from outside the
city, if they bring it to us or if it's

3435
04:36:44,799 --> 04:36:50,639
a larger one, we'll meet them at Bart.
Um and we will still take care of those

3436
04:36:48,480 --> 04:36:53,760
on a regular basis. So that is a very
big uh portion of those calls. I do know

3437
04:36:52,879 --> 04:36:58,561
that.
>> Yeah.

3438
04:36:54,719 --> 04:37:01,760
» So officer Vizichite or I can't
pronounce his last name. He he's he was

3439
04:37:00,639 --> 04:37:07,119
a lateral, correct?
>> Uh no, Tyler was a uh an entry level. So

3440
04:37:05,199 --> 04:37:08,480
he went down to our Meridian Academy.
>> Okay.

3441
04:37:07,439 --> 04:37:13,119
» Officer Bassic. Yeah.
>> And and he is he full-blown on

3442
04:37:11,119 --> 04:37:17,439
» Oh, yeah. He's been on his on his own.
>> We do. We have two in the academy.

3443
04:37:14,561 --> 04:37:22,080
» Two. We have two in the field training
right now. They should be done by the

3444
04:37:19,439 --> 04:37:25,199
middle to end of September and out on
their own. We don't have any in the

3445
04:37:23,840 --> 04:37:28,719
academy. We're not able to get a
background done in time to get someone

3446
04:37:26,480 --> 04:37:32,000
in this current academy. I still did go
teach there today. So, it was good to

3447
04:37:30,400 --> 04:37:35,119
see uh you know, we got a good group
coming to

3448
04:37:32,240 --> 04:37:40,160
» North Good deal.
>> Yep. So, still plugging away. We got it.

3449
04:37:37,520 --> 04:37:45,359
The applications are open. So, you know,
anybody away

3450
04:37:43,600 --> 04:37:49,279
» anything. [laughter] All right.
>> I tried to keep it short to ask

3451
04:37:46,799 --> 04:37:49,279
questions.

3452
04:37:50,080 --> 04:37:54,561
Thank you, chief.
>> Me in front of you now, so I can go

3453
04:37:53,199 --> 04:37:57,719
home. [laughter] Eric, are you ready?
Let's go.

3454
04:37:59,680 --> 04:38:10,240
» Item 9D, public works, engineering.
>> Uh, so like Leon said, I also have a

3455
04:38:06,240 --> 04:38:15,199
staff report plus I do email out uh
regular newsletters on major project

3456
04:38:12,799 --> 04:38:20,160
updates. So, if you have any questions
about any of those projects um or

3457
04:38:18,160 --> 04:38:25,199
anything like that, uh feel free to ask.
And

3458
04:38:20,799 --> 04:38:27,279
» is the Meyer Road uh work estimated to
be finished early?

3459
04:38:26,799 --> 04:38:31,439
» Yes.
>> Okay.

3460
04:38:27,840 --> 04:38:37,199
» Yeah. Uh and mayor, I emailed you uh and
said maybe pavement this Friday. It's

3461
04:38:35,279 --> 04:38:40,959
going to be next Friday. Uh Solera's
going to pour their curb and they want

3462
04:38:38,639 --> 04:38:44,561
to have that concrete cure and then
they'll come in and lay the asphalt.

3463
04:38:42,639 --> 04:38:46,639
There was an outside chance that was
going to happen, but it didn't

3464
04:38:45,617 --> 04:38:50,719
[clears throat] end up working out that
way. So, I might correct myself on that.

3465
04:38:48,240 --> 04:38:55,600
» Yeah. And I've been noticing the uh
substrate

3466
04:38:52,799 --> 04:38:58,400
gently rising every day. I jog through
there.

3467
04:38:55,920 --> 04:39:01,600
» Oh, yeah. The stone will be done by
well, tomorrow.

3468
04:38:59,920 --> 04:39:06,000
» Now, instead of jumping off the curb, I
get to step off.

3469
04:39:02,719 --> 04:39:11,279
» We had one car jump into there.
>> Yeah. And then

3470
04:39:07,520 --> 04:39:16,959
» those road signs are optional.
I Yeah. Anyway, um Yeah. And then the

3471
04:39:15,439 --> 04:39:21,600
section that you messaged me about with
the water and stuff. It's good. That's

3472
04:39:19,920 --> 04:39:25,199
» I want to say I bet you Matt knows
exactly where that ponding water is next

3473
04:39:23,600 --> 04:39:28,160
to that car.
>> Yep. I do.

3474
04:39:26,480 --> 04:39:32,639
» Madam,
do those newsletters that you send out,

3475
04:39:30,719 --> 04:39:38,000
they come to our city emails. Are you
able to send those out to a mailing list

3476
04:39:35,119 --> 04:39:41,200
of of the people?
Uh, I can't because I didn't have

3477
04:39:39,760 --> 04:39:44,160
everybody's email address, but I could
talk to Leon about that.

3478
04:39:42,480 --> 04:39:47,280
» I I just heard feedback that no one knew
that the roundabout on Lancaster was

3479
04:39:46,240 --> 04:39:50,160
open early.
>> Oh, okay.

3480
04:39:48,000 --> 04:39:52,320
» And so then that opened up.
>> Kidding.

3481
04:39:51,200 --> 04:39:53,600
» What? I don't know how many people were
driving.

3482
04:39:52,718 --> 04:39:56,638
» They took all the signs.
>> Yeah. Before it was even open. Yeah.

3483
04:39:55,704 --> 04:40:00,958
[laughter]
>> Some of them got the notice like before

3484
04:39:58,958 --> 04:40:03,440
we knew it was [laughter] if you know
what I mean.

3485
04:40:01,360 --> 04:40:05,600
» I I I hear you. I heard it both ways,
but I'm just curious if we put that

3486
04:40:04,718 --> 04:40:10,240
information out.
>> Yeah. Anytime we can enhance

3487
04:40:07,440 --> 04:40:14,878
communication be great. Um some people
don't necessarily like that uh advanced

3488
04:40:13,040 --> 04:40:20,000
communication. We do put all that stuff
on the website and do a lot of social

3489
04:40:17,280 --> 04:40:24,080
media type pushes but and we have been
updating more and more information on

3490
04:40:21,840 --> 04:40:28,480
our website with our city news stuff. So
if you have anybody that asks a question

3491
04:40:26,560 --> 04:40:33,600
say the best place to go look for
anything is the city's website.

3492
04:40:30,400 --> 04:40:36,718
» Yep. Also, they can sign up to receive
email notifications about all things.

3493
04:40:35,920 --> 04:40:40,560
» Okay. Okay.
>> Yeah.

3494
04:40:38,000 --> 04:40:46,718
» Use our website and social media
platform as an extra employee or an

3495
04:40:43,200 --> 04:40:51,200
extra two employees to help communicate.
>> All right. Yeah.

3496
04:40:48,000 --> 04:40:55,760
» Uh I I saw a note Jake is now licensed
for backflow assembly testing.

3497
04:40:53,440 --> 04:41:00,320
» Is there a specific reason for that?
Just so we can do our own or what? Um he

3498
04:40:58,240 --> 04:41:04,400
is the only licensed backflow assembly
tester that we have in the city of

3499
04:41:01,600 --> 04:41:08,240
Raptor. And so now we have our own. Now
we can continue testing our own. We

3500
04:41:06,080 --> 04:41:12,878
don't have to hire a contractor like we
did this year.

3501
04:41:09,760 --> 04:41:15,280
» And Yep. So uh we Yep. We have one other
employee that should be taking his test

3502
04:41:14,400 --> 04:41:20,000
shortly.
>> Okay. Awesome.

3503
04:41:17,920 --> 04:41:23,920
» Any other questions on that one? Because
I was going to talk about money.

3504
04:41:22,818 --> 04:41:29,638
[laughter]
>> Uh the truck search is going good. I

3505
04:41:25,520 --> 04:41:29,638
should have news for you later.

3506
04:41:29,680 --> 04:41:34,958
» What was the truck purchase in the
budget thing? I saw

3507
04:41:33,440 --> 04:41:37,840
» the snow from the snow plow savings.
>> Snowplow savings.

3508
04:41:35,920 --> 04:41:40,320
» Oh, okay. That was that one.
>> Okay.

3509
04:41:38,160 --> 04:41:41,680
» They're in they're in DOT inspection
right now.

3510
04:41:40,878 --> 04:41:47,600
» Oh, nice.
>> Good. That was from Robos, I think,

3511
04:41:44,798 --> 04:41:50,600
wasn't it?
>> Cool.

3512
04:41:51,920 --> 04:41:58,958
» All right, moving on to item 10.
Visitors comments an opportunity to

3513
04:41:57,280 --> 04:42:03,920
address concerns. No formal action
allowed. Three minutes per issue. Issues

3514
04:42:02,240 --> 04:42:07,440
may be placed on a subsequent agenda. No
public comments may be made on land use

3515
04:42:05,600 --> 04:42:12,160
items that we talked about tonight or in
the future. Uh land use items include

3516
04:42:10,080 --> 04:42:16,878
any item relating to a specific land use
application or process that is governed

3517
04:42:14,080 --> 04:42:20,000
by state code. Would anyone like to
address the council? Rick, you have

3518
04:42:18,320 --> 04:42:26,680
anything else?
No, I talked to Leon about it and I'd

3519
04:42:22,798 --> 04:42:26,680
like to talk to Ken afterwards.

3520
04:42:27,120 --> 04:42:35,600
» Joe, you got anything for us? [laughter]
>> Okay. Uh, all right. Moving on to

3521
04:42:33,920 --> 04:42:39,760
uh item number 11, appointments and
nominations. This is an action item,

3522
04:42:37,520 --> 04:42:44,480
removal of appointment of Greg Mezer
from the Planning and Zoning Commission.

3523
04:42:41,840 --> 04:42:49,040
» Mr. Mayor, this is a a removal of
appointment of Greg Mezer. does not

3524
04:42:46,560 --> 04:42:56,240
qualify as a planning and zoning
commissioner per city code. Um, this is

3525
04:42:52,798 --> 04:43:02,000
an appointment removal. So, this is the
mayor's request. Uh, per codes, the

3526
04:43:00,080 --> 04:43:06,320
appointment removal has to be approved
by three out of the four council, at

3527
04:43:04,638 --> 04:43:13,878
least three out of the four council
members, and the mayor cannot break the

3528
04:43:08,240 --> 04:43:13,878
tie on this. The rest of it's up to you.

3529
04:43:14,000 --> 04:43:20,080
So, where does that leave us on planning
and zoning?

3530
04:43:16,798 --> 04:43:22,798
» We will have three people and one
applicant.

3531
04:43:21,520 --> 04:43:25,840
» We do have an applicant
>> that does not live in the city but is in

3532
04:43:24,400 --> 04:43:28,480
the area of impact.
>> Has he been a registered voter for two

3533
04:43:27,840 --> 04:43:31,280
two years?
>> Uh, I have not checked that yet.

3534
04:43:30,240 --> 04:43:36,440
» Okay.
>> Hope so.

3535
04:43:32,560 --> 04:43:36,440
» I would I would [laughter] hope so.

3536
04:43:38,000 --> 04:43:45,200
» Any other questions?
I'd like to make a motion approving the

3537
04:43:43,120 --> 04:43:50,718
removal of the appointment of Greg Mezer
from the planning and zoning commission.

3538
04:43:47,520 --> 04:43:53,718
» Second made and seconded. Any further
discussion?

3539
04:43:53,840 --> 04:43:59,760
» Loren, you can take the role.
>> Could I Sorry.

3540
04:43:57,280 --> 04:44:05,280
» Um,
we I realize he's out of compliance, but

3541
04:44:02,798 --> 04:44:10,160
can we get by with three people? Well,
they only meet once a month, right? When

3542
04:44:07,680 --> 04:44:12,560
when is that? Three is the minimum.
That's right.

3543
04:44:10,798 --> 04:44:14,878
» That's Yeah. I'm just Okay.
>> So, we need to get

3544
04:44:14,000 --> 04:44:18,400
» We need more people.
>> We want five. Yeah.

3545
04:44:16,560 --> 04:44:19,600
» So, when do they meet? Once a month.
>> Yeah.

3546
04:44:18,638 --> 04:44:22,958
» Once a month.
>> On the third Wednesday of every

3547
04:44:21,280 --> 04:44:26,638
» third Wednesday. So, next Wednesday.
Okay. All right. All right. That's a

3548
04:44:25,280 --> 04:44:31,360
good question.
>> If you know anybody, tell them to apply

3549
04:44:27,920 --> 04:44:34,958
on the website, please. Um
>> and I put a notice on the website asking

3550
04:44:33,440 --> 04:44:39,520
for volunteer.
>> Yeah.

3551
04:44:36,878 --> 04:44:41,680
Uh, one one could argue
>> that you would qualify. [laughter]

3552
04:44:41,040 --> 04:44:44,400
Lauren,
>> I could

3553
04:44:43,040 --> 04:44:46,718
» just saying just saying.
>> Laura Fer,

3554
04:44:45,840 --> 04:44:49,360
» hi.
>> Matt sir.

3555
04:44:47,520 --> 04:44:52,480
» Hi.
>> Owens.

3556
04:44:49,920 --> 04:44:55,600
» Hi.
>> Yes.

3557
04:44:52,878 --> 04:45:00,638
» All right. Motion passes. Uh, moving on
to item number 12, council

3558
04:44:58,240 --> 04:45:06,320
announcements. Laura,
>> I wanted to announce that a couple weeks

3559
04:45:02,400 --> 04:45:13,920
ago I met with Eric. Um, we met with a
Ratham resident who has been um very

3560
04:45:10,560 --> 04:45:19,920
into um community improvement projects
with cleaning up the city, providing

3561
04:45:15,840 --> 04:45:25,680
native plants. We met together. Uh we I
had an idea a few months ago about um u

3562
04:45:23,680 --> 04:45:31,040
making improvements at the Chinese
cemetery in Rathum. I had an idea about

3563
04:45:28,320 --> 04:45:36,240
putting up a plaque with historical
information and I mentioned that he had

3564
04:45:34,638 --> 04:45:41,546
some ideas about putting some native
plants in there that were low water

3565
04:45:39,840 --> 04:45:45,440
maintenance
[laughter]

3566
04:45:41,600 --> 04:45:48,560
» and he uh so we're we're working on that
together as as that project and it's

3567
04:45:47,680 --> 04:45:51,520
it's very exciting.
>> I saw that on

3568
04:45:50,240 --> 04:45:53,360
» that's awesome. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

3569
04:45:52,160 --> 04:45:55,520
» Working on some other projects.
>> Anything else

3570
04:45:55,040 --> 04:45:57,520
» Laura?
>> Nope.

3571
04:45:56,878 --> 04:46:05,182
Larry,
>> you know, I have a whole list of stuff,

3572
04:46:00,240 --> 04:46:05,182
but I it's in the packet. [laughter]

3573
04:46:07,680 --> 04:46:13,920
» Matt,
>> um, yeah, one thing that I wanted to

3574
04:46:11,840 --> 04:46:18,958
kind of bring up and potentially add as
an item on the um, future meetings is,

3575
04:46:16,878 --> 04:46:24,878
uh, some sort of kind of self-review
system for appointed officials. Uh I

3576
04:46:22,560 --> 04:46:29,120
would love to kind of understand how the
appointed officials see uh themselves

3577
04:46:27,840 --> 04:46:33,120
and and how where they can see
improvement with themselves uh their

3578
04:46:31,120 --> 04:46:37,520
positions and with the city. So I'd like
to add that to a future agenda item.

3579
04:46:35,760 --> 04:46:41,760
» Yep.
Absolutely. I like that idea.

3580
04:46:40,080 --> 04:46:45,040
Um
Ken

3581
04:46:43,520 --> 04:46:50,240
happy to be here.
>> Um I just wanted to thank Eric again. I

3582
04:46:48,000 --> 04:46:54,958
I really think Taste Wrath went really
well. Really appreciate it. I don't

3583
04:46:52,718 --> 04:46:59,360
think I heard any major complaints. I
know we had a couple of vendors pull out

3584
04:46:56,480 --> 04:47:05,600
and we had one vendor just happened to
be my nephew, by the way, parked way out

3585
04:47:01,680 --> 04:47:08,320
on a hill out there, but um he he had a
great time. You know, everybody had a

3586
04:47:07,040 --> 04:47:13,280
great time. I think it it went off
really well. Food was good. We had a

3587
04:47:10,080 --> 04:47:16,560
good um variety of vendors this year.
Um, you know, I've talked to several

3588
04:47:14,878 --> 04:47:20,480
local business owners that would love to
participate, but you know, the problem

3589
04:47:18,958 --> 04:47:23,440
being they don't have trucks. They don't
have, you know, the ability to get out

3590
04:47:22,000 --> 04:47:27,200
there. So, I don't know if there's
something we can do with the pavilion

3591
04:47:24,798 --> 04:47:31,680
that would allow them to have warmers
and things like that in there that they

3592
04:47:28,560 --> 04:47:35,120
might be able to utilize in the future.
But

3593
04:47:32,160 --> 04:47:41,520
» biggest hurdle is we have a lot of power
out there, but that's our biggest hurdle

3594
04:47:36,718 --> 04:47:46,320
is lack of power. Um, it's all kind of
located in one spot. It'd be nice if it

3595
04:47:43,680 --> 04:47:47,360
was spread out around the park,
>> but

3596
04:47:46,958 --> 04:47:52,080
» yeah,
>> that's why the new city hall was

3597
04:47:48,878 --> 04:47:54,638
designed lots more
out.

3598
04:47:53,680 --> 04:48:00,878
» I got one more thing.
>> Oh, go ahead, Laura. Uh I

3599
04:47:58,000 --> 04:48:05,440
I know these this meeting is so long. So
I was wondering if it would be possible

3600
04:48:03,520 --> 04:48:10,160
for the parks and recck reporting or
police reporting in cases that they

3601
04:48:07,840 --> 04:48:12,958
could give their reporting before
everything so that they don't have to

3602
04:48:11,840 --> 04:48:16,240
stay around here.
>> We did talk about that at a staff

3603
04:48:14,480 --> 04:48:23,920
meeting and I [laughter] I think the
general consensus was no.

3604
04:48:20,080 --> 04:48:28,958
I I just felt like it it made sense, but
I I don't know what the reasons for not

3605
04:48:27,200 --> 04:48:33,200
being that way would be.
>> Well, we needed Kevin in almost every

3606
04:48:31,120 --> 04:48:36,718
one of our action items.
>> Unless I move forward.

3607
04:48:34,560 --> 04:48:39,760
» I'm talking about parks and police.
>> Yeah.

3608
04:48:37,840 --> 04:48:44,638
» I I I think it's worth consideration.
Maybe at the next staff we can discuss

3609
04:48:41,360 --> 04:48:48,638
it further.
>> I think we just should have shorter

3610
04:48:46,400 --> 04:48:53,920
meetings and it wouldn't matter.
Uh well, you know, and I I'll tell you,

3611
04:48:51,520 --> 04:48:57,200
Larry, I'm I'm for it, but we're going
to have to have one every week then.

3612
04:48:55,520 --> 04:49:03,040
» I know. I understand.
>> All right. Uh without further city

3613
04:49:00,080 --> 04:49:07,200
business before us, we are adjourned.
>> Oh, and Matt, I just wanted to bring

3614
04:49:04,958 --> 04:49:12,638
your attention. You were appointed. You
were appointed. She was a captain. So,

3615
04:49:09,360 --> 04:49:14,400
I'm going to review. Oh, no. [laughter]
>> Yeah.

3616
04:49:13,040 --> 04:49:17,840
» That's what you get for drinking.
>> You can review me all you want.

3617
04:49:15,840 --> 04:49:21,120
Absolutely. There's one way to get rid
of me and you know what that is. So,

3618
04:49:20,240 --> 04:49:23,680
» good luck getting that.
>> Yeah, exactly.