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Okay,
good evening everyone. I want to welcome

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you to the Red Hope Town Board meeting
of Tuesday, September 8th, 2026.

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May I ask you once again to join me in
the pledge of allegiance, please?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> I want to thank you all very much.

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I hope you've had a wonderful summer. I
know technically it's not over, but in

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many respects it is. Um,
and Suzanne, if I could kindly ask you

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to pan over to the screen, please, so
that we can show the folks what we'll be

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discussing tonight. Um, we have, because
it's the first meeting of each month, we

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have both the supervisor's report and
the clerk's report, snapshots of the

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financial condition of uh the
municipality. We've got some

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announcements. We'll take some public
comments for 15 minutes. Our agenda

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items are uh to entertain a resolution
to rebid the Salt Hill Bridge project.

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If you recall, we rejected the bids uh
last time we went out back in the

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springtime and we determined that we
were going to go rebid the project.

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Meanwhile, uh we received good news
about additional funding for that

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project. We have a bond resolution to
entertain that goes along with uh the

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bridge project now that we have um an
estimate. Um we can't award the project

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until we have a bond resolution go
through the process. So we need to

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entertain that now if we're going to
award um in the next few meetings. Um,

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we are we have a resolution to accept a
local records management grant. We want

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to thank uh both Alex Collins Field was
moved into a new position as the uh

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bookkeeper uh to the supervisor
um and and Ruben both for their work on

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applying for this uh records management
uh grant and uh we'll be talking about

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that briefly today. We have a
notification from Office of Cannabis

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Management. That's what this acronym
stands for. It's for the renewal

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application for Upstate Pines across the
street here. And so we'll be discussing

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that. Um uh we uh put off to this
meeting appointing a a shelter

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um to assign for a markets law.
Hopefully we'll hear from Kenny on that,

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an update on that. Um, next up is a
resolution to approve an amendment to uh

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sell tower sub lease agreements. We have
uh three uh cell service companies um on

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our uh towers and so uh one is coming up
for renewal, another one uh soon

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thereafter and then the third one in a
couple of years.

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Uh resolution for intermunicipal
agreement for shared service. This is a

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carryover. Um we discussed um this is
slightly different. We have had for many

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years an IMA with the county on shared
services and equipment related to

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emergency response. I think winter
storms, you know, uh is a good example.

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Um they've asked for an expansion of
that. Um and so what we're uh trying to

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do is to um look at uh how we could
approve that but also make sure we have

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appropriate internal controls. We the
board are responsible to make sure that

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when a whenever any equipment is laid
out uh for another municipality

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um that the uh you know the cost of
those services are reflected in either

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barter or uh in time uh and charges. And
so, uh, we've got some draft language

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for us to look at and then, you know,
either make some edits or whatever and

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then, uh, pass over once we feel
comfortable with it to the, uh, highway

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superintendent so she can discuss with,
um, the, uh, attorney to the town and

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see if we can come to some sort of
compromise on

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um, the internal control language
without being overly personal. Um, and

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then I've included board and committee
reports. We don't do them uh on the

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first meeting. Um, we do them in the
second meeting of the month, but since

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we didn't have a second meeting of the
month, I thought I would include them

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for the packet for the public. I don't
know tonight that we'll have time to

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read them, but I do think that there
were one or two like the housing

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committee where they were asking for
some followup. Maybe we could discuss

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that tonight and let the other uh
reports speak for themselves unless you

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know uh others feel differently, but we
do have to make a 9:00 uh tonight uh for

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an executive session. So that's our
target for the bowl. Um and so without

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further ado,
let us jump right in. Uh we have the

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supervisor's report for the month ending
August 31st.

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We started uh with a balance of
11,597,000

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and change receipts of 1.8 million
thereabouts dispersements of 1.466 466

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million uh leaving an ending balance of
11,960,752.

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We have some uh budget adjustments here.
I'll draw your attention to a few of

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them. Um one uh we had um uh some
adjustments moving from budget various

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budget lines in the DB fund, the highway
fund. As you know, uh this was an

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unusually uh busy uh winter year, the 25
26 year. So, um some of those lines need

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to be replenished with um monies from
either other lines or from the fund

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balance. And you'll be seeing more
adjustments, I think, coming up at the

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beginning of October in preparation for
um the wintertime. So, our highway

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department has what they need in each
budget line.

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Um,
okay.

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Anything
else? There are those budget lines that

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I referenced.

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You'll see the transactions for the uh
the sale of the surplus of water

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department parcels. Um, that has uh
concluded.

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as well as the uh bonding

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and you have your variance reports as
you always did.

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» Can you speak up a little bit?
>> Sorry. And you have your variance

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reports as you do each month. Thank you.

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» Okay. Um, if there are no questions,
would anybody like to make a motion to

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entertain the supervisor's report to
accept it?

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» Move.
>> Thank you, William. Is there a second?

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» Second.
>> Thank you, Jacob. Uh, any discussion? If

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not, all in favor? Kenny.
>> I. Myself. I. Christina.

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» I.
>> Thank you.

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» All right. William and Jacob Ne. Hi.
>> Hi.

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» Okay. Um uh for the folks uh at home,
may I introduce you to our new deputy

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town clerk, Jenny? I see. I love the
sign. I'm a big Forest Gump fan, so I've

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been saying Jenny for 30 years or
something now. Jenny, did you want to

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introduce yourself to the folks?
>> Hi, I'm Jenny. I'm the new deputy clerk.

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Happy to be here.
>> Okay, so Jenny's filling in tonight um

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for Deanna and uh you'll be seeing more
of my I'm sure in the future.

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» Okay. Um

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we have the town clerk's monthly report.
Jenny, would you like to uh read that?

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» Okay. The town clerk's report for the
period of August 1st to the 31st of

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2026. Um, the total local shares
remitted to the town, $9,16.61.

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Amount paid to New York State
Agriculture and Markets for the Spay

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Neuter program, $24. Amount paid to New
York State Department of Health for

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marriage licenses, $67.50.
Amount paid um to New York State

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Environmental Conservation for hunting
and fishing licenses, $1,763.89.

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Total state, county, and local revenues
$10,962.

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And I hereby certify the vouchers number
35223

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to 35323
totaling $180,974

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processed in the month of August 2026
are accurate. Reporting of abstracts

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approved for payment by the town board.

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All right, guys.
Is there a motion to accept the clerk's

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report?
>> So moved.

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» Thank you, Christina.
>> Second.

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» Thank you, Jacob. All in favor? Kenny.
>> Hi,

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» William.
>> Hi.

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» Myself. I Jacob.
>> Hi.

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» Christina.
>> Hi.

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» Okay. A few announcements.
Um the county legislature

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um passed a tax incentive to address
housing shortage by increasing ADUs.

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And so, as you know, we had a few years
ago, we passed a resolution in support

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of the plus 180U program. Boy, I think
it was the end of 2024. So, last time

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was not a meeting. I think you ran that
meeting. December 30th, 2024, if I

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remember.
Yes. Um,

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and uh the local law would off Duchess
County into a New York state tax

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exemption while ensuring public
incentives. So, uh, let's take a look at

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this and see on the local level if
that's, um, something that we want to

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entertain as well. Uh, the county is
having, uh, Kenny, uh, a government farm

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and business hazardous waste collection
event, conditionally exempt small

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quantity generator registration. So,
this event is a Friday coming up in

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about five or six weeks. And here are
the items.

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that uh you can dispose of.

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We'll have this on our website as well
to remind you.

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» Robert, can you just be louder? I I know
I'm not good hearing, but

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» Sorry,
>> you're not the only one.

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» No, I know this is uh the volume could
be up higher, but

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and I am admittedly a mumbler. So,
okay. So, here are the uh items that are

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accepted.

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We'll have it up on our website. Should
give you some time, but you do need to

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register as you do with all these
hazardous waste events.

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Okay. It's hard to believe. 50th
anniversary for Hearts Scrabble,

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September 19th, 2026. I believe they
have a page where you can see um the

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performers. They always do. Czech
village website. Um there must be a link

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there that's coming up rather quickly
weekend after next.

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Okay. Uh we've got a few events for
Historic Red Hook. The cemetery crawl,

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the ever popular cemetery crawl.
It lasts for 5 weeks. It starts also on

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the 19th. You get local cemeteries and
you get to learn a lot about history.

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Uh more talks.

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Jack Kelly, a local
will be talking on the 27th from 4 to 5

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at the Almondorf and also by Zoom. you
can understand.

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And then they were also having a hard
open house.

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Okay. Um
that is all I have for announcements.

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Anybody else have any announcements?
I just want to remind everybody that

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this Friday is the 25th anniversary of
September 11th and I hope that people

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will take a moment to think about all
the Americans that died in that

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horrendous attack that we suffered.
I just want to make sure everybody is

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aware of that when they wake up in the
morning.

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» Yeah,
thank you.

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I knew personally three individuals in
the Twin Towers, including one of my

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daughter's classmates.
So, I appreciate your question.

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Okay. Um,

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with that being said, oh, and uh, Typ
Street Painting, we didn't get a flyer

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on that, but we know that it's coming up
the following weekend after hard gravel

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day. So, that would be the 26th.
Everybody's favorite to the event.

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Okay. Um, thank you. Moving right along.
We will take public comments. Who would

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like to go first? Linda. Linda would
like to go first. Linda, if you'd be

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kind enough. We all know who you are,
but if you would say just

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» Linda Keeling. Um, I came here
specifically to congratulate

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uh, Alex and um, Ann Rubin for
completing a records management grant. I

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had been doing this in the early 90s for
the town as well as the village and so

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there was a big gap and I'm glad to see
that they're starting to take it up and

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work on the records again because it can
get very deep in paper and whatnot. So

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congratulations to them. It was over
$62,000. So that's great.

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» Yeah. Thank you.

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» Roxan.
>> Yes.

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» See, Bill, that was a good one.
>> It was excellent.

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» Good evening, members of the board. I
want to begin by acknowledging a welcome

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correction in the supervisor's
reporting. In the monthly statements

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through mid July, attorney expenses
appeared under the B fund. the town

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outside village fund which improperly
burdened outside village taxpayers. Over

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the past two months, those legal
expenses have finally been moved where

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they belong into the townwide a fund.
Now, looking at the current townwide

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legal budget, general legal council is
budgeted at 50,000 with over 29,000

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already spent. Other legal is budgeted
at $25,000 with nearly 11,000 spent.

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Together, that is a $75,000 allowance
and more than 40,000 has already been

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drawn down. Beyond this month's report,
foil records show that the town's

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cumulative legal costs are approaching
or have already surpassed 300,000.

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Even allowing for legal fees that may
overlap with current numbers, the sheer

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scale of public money committed to legal
fees is staggering. And that still does

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not count the additional defense council
provided by the insurance carrier. The

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legal beater never stops running. They
say the definition of insanity is doing

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the same thing over and over again and
expecting a different result. Yet month

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after month, the bills pile up, the
friction continues, and we stay on the

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very same course. So with a nod to that
definition, I'm standing here tonight to

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make the request once more. I urge
council members TA and Hamill to look

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honestly at where this path has brought
us. Stop the bleeding of public funds

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and move to resend your votes. It is
never too late to change course. Thank

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you.
>> Thank you.

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Okay. Um, let's move on to
our first item in the agenda and thank

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you all for coming tonight.
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» So, we have a resolution to go out and
rebid. Um, just a quick summation for

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the public if they haven't been
following along. We rejected bids. Um,

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we had two bids previously. one was
defective or nonresponsive is the

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technical term. Um the second one we
were not happy with uh both the number

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and had some questions. So uh we decided
with consulting with our engineers that

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um we were told that folks who have
pulled some plans that they would be

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interested in um bidding but the timing
wasn't great when we went out to bid a

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few months ago. So, we're going to try
again and hope we get some more

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submissions. Um, we entertained the idea
of maybe doing some other materials, but

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um I can only speak for myself. We
didn't see any great alternatives

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um that would retain the character of
the bridge. I hope we don't have to go

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back and look at that. But, um so we're
now uh looking at um going out to rebid

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once we get the bids back in. We now
have some estimates from the engineer of

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what the construction inspection would
cost. Um what we've already spent. We

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have uh been notified, although I don't
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Um that we have an additional $57,000.
I think I mentioned to you uh after my

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last conversation with DOT.
Um so you've got um in your uh

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information given to you about budget
wise. Um

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so this resolution just essentially uh
recounts what I've said uh at least

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briefly the important part. And so the
idea is that we would go out to bid um

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and to have them received a month from
today, as a matter of fact, October 8th.

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And then we would need,
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the engineers to review.
>> I actually spoke with him today, Jack

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the the engineer, cuz I couldn't
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» why we rejected the two bids.
>> Okay. and he said their their in-house

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estimate was like
2 million and change and the lowest bid

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that we got was 3 million. So and so he
explained that um

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the work in the saw hill because of the
environmental issues can only be done

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certain months and we just totally
missed the window which is what you

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said. It's just the details I think are
are important that um

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» Right.
>> Yeah. I mentioned that we would there

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would be some amount of work possible in
2026, but essentially most of the work

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now is going to be in 2027.
Um and then DOT has updated be updating

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their records to show the additional
funding.

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» And obviously there's a you know there's
a there's a pool of contractors that

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typically do this type of work. and he
said he was surprised that none of of

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the usual suspects are were were bidding
on the work. So it was I mean

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» Yeah. So we hope to get more of that.
>> Yep.

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» And that could also just be timing,
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» it's timing. they have a count so they
know they can do this type of work is

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based on a calendar year he was
explaining and

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we bid it out at at a time when their
calendars were already full. So um okay

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very good
um any any thoughts on the resolution?

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Does it essentially say what we needed
to say? Jen, can I quiz you for the next

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resolution number?
>> 45.

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» 45.
>> Okay. Hearing no further questions, I

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would entertain a motion to approve
resolution number 45 authorizing the

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solicitation of public beds for the DOT
Sill Bridge project.

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» Are you making the motion?
>> I would entertain a motion.

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» I'll make the motion.
>> Okay. Thank you. as the leazison is on

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to the highway. All things rose. Um
>> second.

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» Thank you Christina. Further discussion
if not all in favor. Kenny

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» I.
>> William I.

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» Myself I. Jacob.
>> Hi.

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» Christina.
>> Hi. Thank you. So that's resolution 45.

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And there's the uh notice that will be
placed on the town website on bidnet

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and be circulated with
all the known uh contractors as we did

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previously.

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So now we have the bond resolution. Um
this is resolution 46 and the bond

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resolution um
messages two important figures. One is

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the estimated maximum cost of a project.
And of course, that's hopefully exactly

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that maximum, not something that we
would have to expend, including all that

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additional grant funding. Um, but it
also needs to reference what we would

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need to borrow. Uh, most of the funding
we received, remember, recall for those

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of you who are have been around for a
while on the board, the initial grant

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was Bridge New York money. So that's 955
money, 5% batch. We received additional

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money through the county, that's 8020
match. And then this last batch uh that

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we got from DOT goes back to 955. So I
gave you that schedule that's in here

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just to give you an idea of
potential estimates.

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I have a few questions on that.
>> Sure.

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» That page.
>> Sure. On this page. Sure. Okay.

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» Um,

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I don't I didn't see it in the packet,
but I think there were emails circulated

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or I saw it somewhere else. But part of
this is an increased fee for the

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engineering cost.
the uh cost. Yeah, there's an estimate

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at the moment. The engineer is
estimating a maximum again a maximum

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cost of $370,000
which is not um something we're going to

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take up at this meeting
um because we want to see the bids and

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you know we're certainly not going to
agree to contract for for CI. So, what

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we're approving is um
>> just a bond resol for an estimated 3.9.

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» No, not approving a bond. You're
approving a bond resolution for a

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project with a maximum cost of 3.9. That
includes all that we've spent which was

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design, construction, inspection,
what all that will add up to. No. So the

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difference is a bond a bond is a bond
and a bond resolution is a is an

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» so it has two numbers. What's the
maximum you're going to spend on the

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project? What's the maximum you're going
to borrow?

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» Right.
>> And so the 900

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» and the bond is borrowing. Is that
right?

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» Okay.
>> Yeah. So that's the 900,000 figure in

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the resolution.
So this approves up to

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» up to either one
>> up to a total project cost of 3.9

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» including funds already expended design
so on and so forth and construction and

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then inspection and anything else uh
there'll be some legal not much

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» so I have a few more questions so
>> sure

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» um I understand it's broken between
federal and local.

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» Yes,
>> federal is is covering significant

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amount of the the cost um
under the total funding of 3.3.

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You've got 388 that we already spent and
then a subtotal. Who pays the

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contingency and how did we come up with
200? It's just like a funny number. It's

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like not It's like I would be like
contingency 10% or something.

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» Yes. And not even 10%.
>> Yeah.

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» So that's like a little over 5%.
>> So a couple of things. Some of the

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numbers are known already. Some of the
numbers have already been expended. So I

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know you deal with this every day. We're
trying to develop budgets with

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contingencies
because this project is

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again because we already have a rough
idea of maybe what contractors are

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willing to bid on the project and
hopefully lower because I think that's

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what we're looking for. We have a sense
of what the project might come in at. Um

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and so I don't think we need a large
contingency and I'm not sure that we're

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prepared. Did so did we come up with
that with the 200 200,000 or was it the

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engineer like that?
>> It was discussion between the engineer

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my office. Um yeah and again it's just
it's a admittedly an estimate or a

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spitfall on this and it's only because
it's we have more certainty than if we

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were just starting from go on what uh we
would need for contingency. So who would

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pay that the contingency?
>> So the again the user

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» the contingency just think of the
contingency as the total project

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» is going in order to get to that 3.9
million something. How much do you have

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left? like here's what you think the
project's going to cost and that gets

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you to 3 million right 300 and 7 3,742
>> right

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» and so what if it actually costs you
more because something happened

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» fully understand that you understand
>> I understand that my question is

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» it's lower than 10%.
Who pays the contingency? US

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» in theory
>> or or federal or is it split or like

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» the whole thing's broken out between
federal and local. So is is that a local

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cost,
>> right? Yes. In theory, we could be

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paying that contingency.
Again, it's just really relates to the

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total project cost. We can't borrow more
than 900,000.

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» I understand that. But the answer to my
question is us. We we would pay that.

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That wouldn't come. Not necessarily.
>> Not necessarily.

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» Not necessarily, but it's a fair
assumption.

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» It's not one of those people, you know,
>> 4 months ago, we didn't have the

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$57,000.
Okay.

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» So,
yeah, this is what happens with

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» And how did that 507 come to exist?
>> Uh, that's uh a matter between the DOT

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gods and and their offices. So they had
additional funding left over. What

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you'll find with these projects, there's
hundreds of projects and many of them go

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along schedule. Well, I don't need to
tell you. I know you're in the private

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sector, but many of the projects go
along schedule and then some of the

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projects get delayed, but the funding
has already been assigned and allocated.

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And so there's money then becomes
available because project 394 wasn't

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» completed in time. So, uh, DOT
recognized that we rejected the bids,

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looked around just like Duchess County
did, looked around and said, "Where can

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we find some additional funding?" So,
um, the federal government also has a

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particular having worked there, um, the
way they budget and the way under

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federal law, the way Congress
appropriates funds, funds have to be

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expended by the end of the fiscal year.
So, as you get later into the year,

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there are projects and other things that
the federal government looks at. Do we

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have extra money that wasn't expended on
this prior project that we can

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appropriate to another project? So, um
part of the mystery of of when you get

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federal funds is
their appropriation process because in

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the federal government with very few
exceptions, it's use it or lose it. it

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goes back to the treasury and most
federal agencies don't want to lose it

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because then it affects their budget for
the next year and I guess you didn't

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need it so we're not going to
appropriate you more money I I did some

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of that for a living so I understand but
I mean I it's I think it's it's a

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wonderful thing for us
and with the bond you know all these

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bonds you know like with the water tower
we appropriate a bond for I think 1.6

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six and change.
>> We can weigh under on that. So, you

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don't you're just you're just putting
money aside to borrow if you have to and

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you hope that you don't.
>> These are authorizations, right?

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» That's all it is.
>> It says that um the town is authorized

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to expend and to borrow um up to these
limits. It doesn't unfortunately have

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the crystal ball to say that these
numbers are this accurate or this

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inaccurate. These are reasonable last
time.

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Other question.
Okay.

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Uh 46.

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Approving accept. Oh, no. No, no, no,
no, no. Robin, you don't go that way.

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You go this way. 46. Bond resolution
dated September 8th, 2026. And we're

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going to do a roll call on this because
it's part of resolution. authorizing

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reconstruction of Sulkill Road Bridge
over the Salt Hill Creek at an estimated

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maximum cost of 3,950,000
and authorizing the issuance of serial

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bonds of the town of Red Hook, Duchess
County, New York in an aggregate

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principal amount not to exceed 900,000
pursuant to the local finance law to

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finance a portion of such cost
delegating certain powers in connection

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therewith to the town supervisor
enumerated in the various sections. I

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think I've described the um
uh usefulness. Um just for the folks at

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home, if you are uh wanting to uh become
more interested in the exciting life of

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borrowing money for municipal projects,
know that each project has a potential

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useful life and you can only borrow out
certain uh duration terms. And so in

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this case that period of probable
usefulness of set purpose is 20 years.

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Um we uh determine that the proposed
project is unlisted.

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The maturity authorized
in this resolution will be in excess of

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5 years. The board plans to finance a
portion of the cost by the issuance of

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serial bonds. And again, that's a
maximum now amount we hope to be quite a

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bit under that. Uh

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it's may reimburse the town. Um we build
this the state the state reimbures us.

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So there's cash flow issues there which
is why we have a higher number for the

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bond you know for the bond issuance.
um to manage the cash flow.

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Okay. Um
authorizing the supervisor

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take such actions and execute such
documents as may be necessary to ensure

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the continued status of the interest of
the bonds blah blah blah. 10 days

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adoption. Town clerk authorized and
directed to cause notice in the uh

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papers as required by law.
Takes effect 30 days after adoption.

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Any other questions, folks? This is
resolution number 46.

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Who would like to move 46 bridge?
>> So moved

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» for trouble water. Okay.
These waters are calm.

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» These waters are calm. This home, you
just changed it. We're going to have one

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of those uh December rainy floods. Okay.
A second by uh Deputy Supervisor

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Hamilton. Thank you. Further discussion.
If not, we're going to do a roll call.

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All in favor? Ken?
>> I.

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» Thank you, William. Hi,
>> myself. I Jacob. Hi,

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» Christina. Hi.
>> Thank you all.

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Okay, we we uh already heard about the
records grant. We have records grants.

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We've been doing a lot of records
lately. Uh you'll read more about um

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records from the courts
uh further in our

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packet tonight. Um, a resolution
approving acceptance of New York State

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LG RM IF. I dare anybody to say it
quickly what it stands for.

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» Quickly, quickly. Uh,
>> whereas the town of Red Hook has been

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selected to receive a local government
records management improvement fund

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grant in the amount of 62548.
I want to see that budget to fund a

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records management project. Um, it
includes updated records inventory,

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records management, policy, and
engagement of consultant to train the

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staff. All project work must be
completed. It's another one of these

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grants where you've got to get it done
uh fairly quickly by the end of June.

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So, um once we have a contract on this,
they'll be engaged um quickly. So, we

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hope we do get um
hope we do get that. Right now we're

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doing the NBWE compliance work

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and that's the schedule of how the
payment works on this grant program.

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» Do we have a list of all of the grants?
>> Of all the grants that we've received?

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» No. Of of the ones that are active like
the ones that

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» Well, we sure do. I mean, we have a file
of them. Yeah. we can update you on give

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you a list of currently active grants.
>> Yeah, I think that would be helpful like

419
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:48,160
if we have um a document that has
>> like when we talk about grants maybe

420
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:52,320
that could be in the packet so we have
um perspective on

421
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:57,440
what we're doing.
>> Have a lot of them end up in that in

422
00:37:55,119 --> 00:38:02,720
those uh variance you know the budget
lines variance because we create a line

423
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:08,440
for each month. We can we can do a list
to

424
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,440
the 12 14

425
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:16,920
moving this way.
>> I am moving this way.

426
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,920
Uh

427
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:31,440
okay. Um,
that was resolution 47 to accept the

428
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:35,119
grant. I think we talked enough about
the grant.

429
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:40,560
And again, congratulations. Thanks for
the work. And as many people can tell

430
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:47,040
you, getting the grant is only part of
the fun. That's all that goes along with

431
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:52,960
it. Um,
paper, paper, paper. Who would like to

432
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:56,560
move resolution 47?
I'll move it.

433
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:59,359
» Thank you. Will. Is there a second?
>> Second.

434
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:05,359
» Thank you, Jacob.
Any further discussion? If not, all in

435
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:12,400
favor of New York State LGRM
Records Management Grant exception

436
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,160
acceptance.
Kenny.

437
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,880
» Hi,
>> William. Hi.

438
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,119
» Myself. Hi,
>> Christina. Hi,

439
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,760
» Jacob. Hi.
>> Thank you very much.

440
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:31,079
All right, moving right along. Good.
As we should continue to

441
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:38,599
Where am I? Oh, here we go.
Uh,

442
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:47,920
this is not So, this is not the request
for the showcase. Um, that was already

443
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:55,599
sent. I uh as per your instructions
um leazed with the zoning officer

444
00:39:51,839 --> 00:40:00,320
confirmed that that was uh permitted um
sent word uh to both upstate pines and

445
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:08,880
OCM
um to uh no objection to the showcase.

446
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:13,760
Um this is uh a renewal. They didn't
realize they did annual renewals on

447
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:20,079
these. So,
here we have it. Uh, received August

448
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:25,280
20th. So, we're in timely 30-day use. I
have heard no uh no complaints on this

449
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:29,040
establishment.
>> Can you can you talk about

450
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:36,720
» Sorry. I have heard no complaints on
this estab establishment. Um,

451
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:41,760
at least not none not that I'm aware of.
So they contribute a significant amount

452
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:46,960
of tax revenue.
>> Um there is sales tax. Yes. So the way

453
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:52,800
it works with cannabis, it's very
different than with general sales tax.

454
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:57,119
General sales tax is appropriated
by the county based upon agreements they

455
00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:01,280
have with the two cities. And there's a
remainder

456
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:07,200
portion that gets split by the
municipalities. I believe our share is

457
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:11,839
2.9% of that remainder, if I had that
right. They're 10-year agreements that

458
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:18,960
get reuped. With cannabis, it's
different. There's a 4% tax. Um,

459
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:25,040
» we get 3/4 of it.
>> We get 3/4 of it. But

460
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:31,680
that particular property lies both
within the town and the village. the

461
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:37,839
actual boundary lines
diagonally goes through it. So right now

462
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:41,760
we are splitting 5050 the sales tax
revenue our portion of it with the

463
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:47,119
village as well.
So um yes there there is some revenue

464
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,440
associated with that.
>> Do you know what that was approximately

465
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:53,359
in last year?
>> Well that's in your that's in your

466
00:41:51,040 --> 00:42:00,160
variance report. you can see both the in
and the out um

467
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:05,359
of that. You'll see in the budget, I'll
be giving the budget as I do each year

468
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:10,400
by the end of September to the town
clerk who then passes it on to the town

469
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:15,440
board by October 5th. We then go ahead
and schedule workshops and then we have

470
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:20,960
to have a public hearing no later than
the Thursday after election day and then

471
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:28,240
we need to pass the budget no later than
November 20th of each year. Um in there

472
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:34,000
you'll see a budget. Uh it has been a
bit challenging because the revenue gets

473
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:38,880
collected by the county and then gets
distributed to us. For a while we were

474
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:43,520
getting all the revenue and sending the
village their share and then they

475
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:48,160
started sending the village their share
without letting us know. So we were

476
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:54,160
sending the village their share.
Um

477
00:42:49,680 --> 00:43:00,400
so we'll see what we'll see what uh
if by the time the tenative budget is

478
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:03,359
ready and we've had budget
some budget meetings with the

479
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:10,560
departments.
uh as of the state. We'll see if we have

480
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:15,520
more insight into what to project um for
2027. I think it could be

481
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,599
um
somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 to

482
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:23,359
$80,000 a year is
>> for what I'm thinking for a year for our

483
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:26,079
share.
>> That's what

484
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,960
» Jacob just pulled it up. It was 77 year
year to date.

485
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:33,040
» And that's across both establishments in
the town, right?

486
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,240
» Well, hang on. Don't don't get too
excited.

487
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:40,880
» Okay. No.
>> Okay. 77. What we've collected so far,

488
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,400
» we gave half to the village. So, it's
not 77. Okay.

489
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:48,319
» So,
>> and that's across all cannabis

490
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:50,800
establishments. And
>> we don't know.

491
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,359
» We don't know.
>> What do you mean you don't know?

492
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:57,760
» We don't know because we don't get that
detail.

493
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:01,680
» You just send us a check.
>> Oh, you don't you don't get a breakdown.

494
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:06,800
We don't or we don't get a breakdown
from the county. We just get

495
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:11,280
» a check
>> and and we we've struggled to

496
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:17,280
understand. They do tell us for which
quarter it is, but quarters aren't

497
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:20,319
quarters we're familiar with. Um and so
we're still trying to understand how

498
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,960
it's being collected, how it's being
distributed. So I apologize for

499
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:30,400
» but either way I mean it's a business
that's contributing or is it both the

500
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:34,319
both businesses are
>> contributing

501
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:39,359
somewhere in the neighbor neighborhood
of $80,000 back into

502
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:45,200
the local community.
>> Well I I think the tenative budget I put

503
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:50,640
out may have a number between 60 as a
projection. It had 80, but it looks like

504
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:54,560
you're going to exceed that in even
though we're getting half. But

505
00:44:52,000 --> 00:45:00,640
» I'm sorry. I'm not I apologize. Maybe
I'm not communicating. Well, our portion

506
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:04,240
that we will get to keep for 2027.
I'm thinking is going to be somewhere

507
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:08,560
between 60 and 80. What you're looking
at 77 is both the town and village

508
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:14,560
because there's another line you're not
looking at, which is distribution to the

509
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:20,880
village for cannabis, which is
>> half of that. If if both the collection

510
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:28,960
and the distribution has happened within
the same monthly report that make sense.

511
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:35,119
Okay.
So, uh yes, that was one of the things

512
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:40,000
that uh folks spoke about was the sales
tax revenue

513
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:44,319
municipality who opted in and we're one
of the few municipalities who did opt in

514
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,800
on this side of the river. I think no
attended.

515
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,359
» I parked it.
>> I parked it as

516
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:54,200
» there's one that opened just south.
>> Okay. Okay.

517
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,200
» It's fancy.

518
00:45:54,319 --> 00:46:05,119
» Okay. Okay. I'm I'm going to let that
that

519
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:12,920
just fly away. Um Okay. So,
we have 30 days to make any comments. Do

520
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,920
you want to make any comments or

521
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:18,040
Nope.
>> No objections. Okay.

522
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:29,680
» Uh, next up, Kenny, I don't know. Did
you have a chance to to uh take a look

523
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,359
and and maybe come up with a
recommendation of

524
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,119
» No, I have not. I'm sorry about dropping
the ball on that.

525
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:38,720
» Okay.
>> This is the uh

526
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:43,040
» which
contribution.

527
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:48,040
» Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but okay. All
right. Well, let's see if we can tackle

528
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,040
it.

529
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,000
There's too much on this.

530
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:11,920
Okay. Um I think I mentioned we have uh
three cell tower companies over there

531
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:16,880
Kelly Road. Um, two of which have
agreements

532
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:22,319
uh coming up for renewal
and we have a proposed agreement that

533
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:26,280
might
be something we would entertain.

534
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:37,400
Um it has an increase
um on the rental account

535
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,400
for uh Verizon

536
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,319
and um

537
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,920
seems to

538
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:55,839
continue
uh what's been working well.

539
00:47:50,400 --> 00:48:00,480
Cell companies generally try to
tell you that they

540
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:08,319
are thinking about moving somewhere else
if you don't renew at a reasonable rate.

541
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:15,200
Um we do have that option and so we try
to be both reasonable and be in the

542
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:20,640
taxpayers's best interest.
And so this is an agreement which has an

543
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:26,319
increase. Their uh renewal comes off
November 1st

544
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:33,200
and uh I think it reflects uh some of
what we've discussed for negotiations

545
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:39,960
and continue to work on the other two
carriers. One of which is coming due

546
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:39,960
soon and one of which is not.

547
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:50,359
» Which one is coming due soon?
Uh, T-Mobile. Okay.

548
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:50,359
» What are the dates of all three?

549
00:48:50,880 --> 00:49:02,680
» You're going to test my memory. December
for T-Mobile of this year. AT&T

550
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,680
is 2029.

551
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:13,680
Will I remember the month? Maybe
Christmas. The month. I asked because

552
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:19,480
ATG has an application before the
planning order for something.

553
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,480
» That's correct. For January. Yeah.

554
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:27,599
» Chris, do you remember what month in
2918 do you use to

555
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,720
» um
end of the year? Uh

556
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,200
» it was December maybe.
>> Have to look it up. It's 2029. I know.

557
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,440
But
>> yeah.

558
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,040
» Okay.
>> Is the generator is AT&T's generator

559
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,000
going on this site?
>> Yes.

560
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:44,800
» Okay.
>> Yeah.

561
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:48,720
So the context here is we have a tower.
It's on kind of the highest point in the

562
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,559
town.
>> It's right behind the tank,

563
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:57,040
» right? I mean, I don't know if that's if
that's absolutely true, but it's one of

564
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:02,160
the highest
it's highest elevation. We have this

565
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:08,640
tower and
the cell phone service is is terrible. I

566
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:14,160
mean, particularly AT&T.
Um,

567
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:19,040
so my my questions are
>> so related to Verizon.

568
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:23,680
» It is. Yes. It's I mean it's Yes.
Related to Verizon, but it's it's like

569
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,720
I'm looking globally at all three. We
have a number of positions on the tower.

570
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,480
» Yeah.
>> Right. I asked you about that earlier

571
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:35,359
tonight. I think you said um
>> Yeah. I think we have Verizon, T-Mobile,

572
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:41,920
AT&T 2, three, four. Nobody wanted one
when I became a veteran,

573
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:48,480
» which is kind of crazy because if
any of them moved up to number one, then

574
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:53,760
they would So, when we looked at the
tower that was proposed near the bridge

575
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:59,920
approach, I don't know whether that's
been started yet or whether there that

576
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:04,880
was like a weird like fight between AT&T
and Verizon. This is when I was on

577
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:10,000
planning board. Um there was like a race
to get an approval because they wanted

578
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:18,480
to each of each company wanted to own
the tower.

579
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:22,800
Um and so we looked extensively at the
um the mapping of the signal.

580
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:29,119
» Mhm.
>> And it was surprising to me to see that

581
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:33,839
10 ft made a huge difference
>> at that location.

582
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:38,480
» Yeah. And so my question is this is a
lease that goes until when?

583
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:44,960
» Well, these are these are five-year
leases that can be extended for four

584
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:50,480
more additional terms. So provided the
technology continues

585
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:54,559
to have demand for cell towers in the
future.

586
00:51:52,000 --> 00:52:00,559
And I'm not a futurist so I will not
speculate on that though I love studying

587
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:05,920
the stuff. Um,
we could, you know, we could have

588
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:07,599
equipment on that tower for another 25
years.

589
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,520
» Sure.
>> And we have an open spot

590
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:15,040
» this term goes to 30 2031.
>> Okay.

591
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,000
» But this one, yes, it's five five at a
time.

592
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,559
» Okay.
>> Yeah. Um,

593
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:27,920
well, I mean, I it's positive that
they're paying more rent, but I think

594
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:33,280
the bigger issue is like, have we
discussed with them

595
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:36,800
what equipment they're putting and like
are there options for the equipment?

596
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,720
» We always do. We have the engineers
review any proposed changes. In fact, I

597
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,760
think some of them have come front come
of the planning board when when you and

598
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:48,160
Bill were
>> were on the planning board. Um, you

599
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:52,559
know, we always do the engineers review
the equipment. We look at whether or not

600
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:56,960
that additional equipment means they're
occupying additional space and it's

601
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,119
above and beyond what the lease was for.
And that's what

602
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:04,880
» Well, when I was on planning board, they
they numerous companies came numerous

603
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:10,240
times and it was really like
insignificant updates in terms of in

604
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:15,440
terms of the strength of the signal. It
was like emergency services or like some

605
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:22,559
other like technical piece of equipment
that needed to be updated. But

606
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:29,760
» we don't have cells service.
I have AT&T. It the calls drop on 9G all

607
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:33,839
the way to the bridge. Right. And also
in town like literally in the center of

608
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:37,040
the village.
>> Mhm.

609
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:42,240
» There are days when it it just doesn't
work.

610
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:44,559
» Yeah. um which is really a a huge
problem.

611
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:53,559
» Yeah.
>> So if we're looking at renewing these

612
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:53,559
leases like what have we done to

613
00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:03,680
that and like for example we could make
the tower taller

614
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:07,359
we could
negotiate better equipment. I mean, I

615
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:12,720
don't I like I don't know the technical
solutions, but it's like we have this

616
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:16,720
chance to to
push them through through a lease and

617
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:22,240
say this is this is what we need. We
need we need phones to work.

618
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:27,760
» Well, we we certainly can do that. Um uh
alternatively, I would say that there's

619
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:32,319
no reason a renewal of a lease precludes
that either. Um, I don't know

620
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:37,599
necessarily saying to Verizon because
there's AT&T coverage issues,

621
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:42,559
um, that we're not going to sign a lease
with you, Verizon. I happen to have

622
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:47,359
Verizon. I don't experience any issues
around that area. Um, again, I haven't

623
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:54,079
studied
um, you know, what what service. Um

624
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:59,200
» the maps are funny that they have on um
I looked at them today and the coverage

625
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:03,839
maps they show it's one color and it's
just like binary. It's like service or

626
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:09,040
no service. And there's like there's
there's small areas like Elizaville is

627
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:14,000
is not I mean we're talking about Red
Hook, but like there's Eliza there's a

628
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:20,480
big hole in Elizaville there for AT&T.
Um but it shows complete coverage

629
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:25,040
through 9G and the bridge and the bridge
approach which is certainly not true.

630
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:31,520
» You're talking about Verizon.
>> I'm talking about I'm talking about AT&T

631
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:38,800
and Verizon. I mean they're um
>> so my no my point is is that the maps

632
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:46,160
that they have show coverage it's like
coverage no coverage and when the on

633
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:50,960
planning board we looked at it in detail
we looked at the the actual signal

634
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:55,040
strength in different areas and the
gradient of what that is and what that

635
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:59,680
means and like where your call is going
to drop and where you don't have data

636
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:03,760
and you can't
conduct business or download anything. I

637
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,720
mean, the signal strength is not just
like on or off. It's like,

638
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:14,880
» right,
>> so they're a AT&T and Verizon are

639
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:17,680
showing complete coverage, which is just
not true.

640
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:20,640
» They do. Here's what I would say. It's
not in their defense at all because I

641
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:25,359
have Verizon and I have to stand in
special spots in my house, but it's but

642
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:30,319
it is in there are environmental
factors. So, for example, in the winter

643
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:37,359
when the leaves are off the tree, I have
better coverage in my home than I do

644
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:43,040
during the summer. And um you know, I
know which rooms in my house have better

645
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:47,040
have better service than others. And so
when they do their map, they're

646
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:51,839
basically saying, well, I I'm sending
the signal to this area.

647
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:58,880
I think there are things that get in the
way. Um and some of those things are

648
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:04,079
really not in our control. Um but they
did it was it two years ago or 3 years

649
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:07,359
ago I remember they increased their
signal. They they did make an

650
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:11,520
improvement because there was a period
where I had no service in my house for

651
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,559
about 3 months. I think they they
changed it really to the they were

652
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:18,559
changing from a 4G to they were they
were upgrading and I had I really had no

653
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,359
service at my house and I kept calling
and saying hey you know I I have to go

654
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:27,680
into the village to make a phone call
you know from the library and um they

655
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:33,200
they somehow they worked that out and it
it was restored but it it is somewhat of

656
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:37,839
a mystery. Well, I guess my point is
that I've lived here for for 25 years

657
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:45,040
and we've had gaps in coverage that
haven't really improved, which so it's

658
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:48,799
my point is that
it doesn't seem like a situation where

659
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:53,520
the market is going to take care of
itself. Like they're not motivated to

660
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:57,680
fix it. So
>> because they think they have you,

661
00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:00,000
» right? And they they kind of do. So
>> because many people have gotten rid of

662
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:04,160
their landlines,
>> right? So, I mean it's it's really I

663
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:07,599
mean it affects my business that I can't
have I can't continue a phone call when

664
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,599
I drive across the bridge.
>> Well, yeah,

665
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:16,480
» it's so if if
>> Okay, but we we have to recognize that a

666
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:21,920
tower that is located miles away from
the bridge isn't necessarily going to

667
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:26,559
provide that that coverage. They have
approvals to build one right by the

668
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:30,000
bridge approach. So presumably they made
the argument that they absolutely need

669
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:33,760
to have that coverage and so they
haven't built.

670
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:39,040
» My question is my question is have we
looked at that and have we do we do we

671
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:44,880
have an understanding of the equipment
that they're mounting on our tower under

672
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:50,160
this lease and do we know
>> there's no change in equipment. So when

673
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:56,559
they have a proposed change they come
they come in front of our engineers. But

674
00:58:52,079 --> 00:59:03,760
but why but why not? Why don't I mean
>> do we know that they can't improve

675
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:09,200
coverage
by changing something

676
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:14,000
an equipment whatever like
>> Yeah. Again, I'm not in that business. I

677
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:19,119
» Yeah, but we're renewing this.
>> Can I Can I finish my thought?

678
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:24,280
» Can I finish my thought that
>> we only have this opportunity

679
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:32,079
to negotiate with them because when
there's no other there's no other way

680
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:38,799
that that we can say hey uh our coverage
is terrible. So if we why wouldn't we at

681
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:46,799
least understand
where what equipment they have and what

682
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:51,440
is available and where the holes in the
in the

683
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:57,440
signal are
and say hey we need you to put better

684
00:59:54,559 --> 01:00:00,880
stuff on our tower or move it up
>> upgrade

685
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:06,640
» upgrade okay so here's what I'd say
again I have no expertise in in this

686
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:10,160
area. I just it it's in my mind logical
to assume

687
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:14,319
» that they would continue to do what they
have done.

688
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:19,040
» But have we have we have we finished my
thought? I haven't finished my thought.

689
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:22,240
» I know, but it's just I didn't answer
like just say yes or no.

690
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:26,160
» I'm trying to answer
>> and I can't get in a word and edgewise.

691
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:32,559
I I understand your point. I'm just
trying to answer you. Okay. It's for me

692
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:36,960
at least logical to assume that they
will continue to do what they have been

693
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:42,480
doing which is asking to put newer and
better and more effective and presumably

694
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:46,400
better coverage equipment on the tower.
They have done it multiple times during

695
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,839
my time.
>> No. Well, yes,

696
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:52,000
» they haven't. It's the They haven't
fixed

697
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:56,480
» the car. I I'm not saying that they
fixed it. I don't know what kind of

698
01:00:54,319 --> 01:01:02,319
coverage is possible from just one
location. Presumably, they are about to

699
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:05,599
build a tower down by the bridge and
that's how they're going to get the

700
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:10,240
concentric circles.
>> Doesn't answer my question, though. It's

701
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:15,839
a it's it's just it's a question. It's a
yes or no question. Did we we negotiated

702
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:20,960
the rate? We negotiated that we're
getting a little bit more money. That's

703
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:26,960
that's good. But did we negotiate
what equipment they're putting on and

704
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:30,960
and upgrading it or addressing any of
the coverage gaps?

705
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:37,119
» We did not. And again, I this is
Verizon. I happen to have Verizon. I

706
01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:42,240
happen to be within this, you know, the
area of this tower frequently.

707
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:45,440
» I don't experience the same. And again,
I don't want to get into which vendor is

708
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,280
providing the service better than
another pro.

709
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:52,799
» Yeah.
But I don't experience what you're

710
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:57,760
talking about as a Verizon customer
anywhere near this this tower and in

711
01:01:55,599 --> 01:02:03,440
fact I can now go to the bridge approach
and go over the bridge without any

712
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:08,160
service interruptions in my service. So
um but that's Verizon and that may be in

713
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:13,280
part because of the tower that exists by
Rubies now that didn't exist um just two

714
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,359
years ago or something like that.
>> That's a pretty tall tower. That's a

715
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:20,799
tall,
>> but that's fair. But but my but it

716
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:26,240
doesn't make sense to me to not have
that information. Like it's to say that

717
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:31,520
I experience I don't experience a call
dropping is different from saying I have

718
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:38,480
data. I have
a map. I have some sort of evidence of

719
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:43,280
saying do I have like a high signal, a
low signal? Like talking on the phone is

720
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:45,760
different than downloading a document.
Like

721
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:55,520
Well, there's one thing to ask for the
information. The other is do you think

722
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:59,599
you have leverage to negotiate a better
deal? And frankly, there's nobody who's

723
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:04,480
sitting up here in the DAS who has the
technical expertise to make those kinds

724
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:07,760
of decisions. And I when you were on the
planning board and I was the liaison to

725
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:13,119
the ZBA,
>> the same people from AT&T with their

726
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:16,559
teams of lawyers and engineers
>> were coming for variances for certain

727
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:20,160
things to build the tower which they
haven't built yet.

728
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:24,400
» Um, and you had what I would call
engineer wars. Uh, where one team of

729
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:26,559
people would have their engineers say,
"Well, if we do it this way, it'll be

730
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:29,920
that way." Right.
>> I don't think any of us have

731
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:33,839
» and we would have to spend a lot of
money to have and they didn't even we'd

732
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:37,440
have to spend a lot of money to hire
consultants

733
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:41,039
» who have some technical expertise in
this area to even put us in a position

734
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:44,799
to do that. I I I think
>> I disagree. I disagree because

735
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:49,680
» are you suggesting that we don't renew a
lease with the major one of the major

736
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:55,280
cell carriers? I think your constituents
would be very unhappy.

737
01:03:51,839 --> 01:04:01,200
I am asking the question if we had the
information and the answer is no. So,

738
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:05,520
and what I would say is that we can talk
about renewing the lease and what what

739
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:09,599
we're up against and if it makes sense
to move forward with it without that

740
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:15,920
information, we can talk about that. But
my point is that these these are huge

741
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:21,119
companies and they're very used to
providing

742
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:25,200
information about their signals and the
RF studies or whatever they're called,

743
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:31,039
right? And
you do not really need a consultant to

744
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:34,720
understand the map. You can look it up
yourself. It's they're very

745
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:38,799
understandable. It's like it's showing
it's like kindergartener can understand

746
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:43,119
it. It's like a gradient and there's
colors and there there's strengths and

747
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:49,119
you can understand what each of them
means and really see in detail. Like we

748
01:04:46,319 --> 01:04:54,400
looked at it and said the issue with the
other tower is that 9G is a scenic

749
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:59,920
corridor. So we were we were weighing
how tall the tower should be and how

750
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:07,280
visible it should be in that location
with the benefit of the signal. And I

751
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:10,720
was very surprised to see a few feet
made a big difference.

752
01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:11,839
» It does. They still haven't built that
tower.

753
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:16,160
» Well, yeah.
>> Right. But my point is

754
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:18,799
» somebody suggested a few feet made a big
difference that I would just leave that

755
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:23,520
for you.
>> No, they they mapped it. They showed us

756
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:26,400
the evidence that a few feet made a like
we were like, "Is the tower going to be

757
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:30,319
this tall? Is it going to be this tall?"
And they gave us the studies of each of

758
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:34,079
those. So you could look at it and say,
"All right." And we made them put up

759
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:38,000
like balloons or there was like we
looked at the height above the trees. We

760
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:44,079
looked at all of that
>> and

761
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:49,920
weighing should the tower be like 10 ft
higher or lower had an enormous impact

762
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:55,760
on the on the signal. So, number one,
it's it's crazy that we're not like

763
01:05:52,880 --> 01:06:01,440
pushing somebody to take the top spot on
this tower, whether it's Verizon or AT&T

764
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:04,480
or or
T-Mobile.

765
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:08,000
» Somebody should be up there. It's It's
crazy that it's empty.

766
01:06:06,319 --> 01:06:13,280
» You You would think the people in the
business

767
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:16,960
of providing that service jump
in 25 years, it hasn't improved. So,

768
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:23,440
who's going to who's going to push them
to Wait a second. I you know bus

769
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:26,079
» who do you currently have?
>> I have uh AT&T.

770
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,039
» She has AT&T.
>> That's your problem.

771
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:32,160
» Well, I think
>> I don't disagree

772
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:35,440
» with Verizon. I I know
>> we don't have any trouble spots.

773
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:40,000
» Yeah.
>> Well, I mean I have

774
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:42,960
» I agree with you. Maybe I should should
switch. But

775
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:47,119
» lots of people have AT&T and we should
have good signals in our in our town

776
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:52,880
» in an interesting collision, right? In
an interest of moving this along, how

777
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:59,200
about we compromise? We try to get some
of those maps. How about we compromise

778
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:05,839
in saying that before we we entertain a
renewal of AT&T which has the bottom

779
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:14,319
spot on the tower that we have
discussions with them about the still

780
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:20,559
available top spot on the tower as a way
to uh generate better service and better

781
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:26,079
revenue. and we'll have time to do that
and to look at the studies and then

782
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:30,240
hopefully that'll uh satisfy you on on
um

783
01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:36,319
» on those issues because
>> you know as as Phil well AT&T we have

784
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:40,319
plenty of time. No, on on on
this resolution where they're there at

785
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:44,240
least runs out when
>> this is November 1st.

786
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:48,640
» So, you know, it has to go through
corporate Well,

787
01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:53,440
» you say it's plenty of time,
>> but both sides need to agree. I don't

788
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:58,480
think it's plenty of time. Again, I
think you haven't even demonstrated that

789
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:02,079
there's a problem yet. and you want us
to go ahead and solve something that

790
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:05,039
hasn't even been demonstrated as a
problem as a way

791
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:10,000
» No, I'm saying we don't have
information. I'm not I'm not I'm not

792
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:18,480
including a result. I'm saying that that
we should have information on what model

793
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:20,560
of of equipment is on that tower and
what's

794
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:26,080
» well we do have that because the last
time they were in they presented that

795
01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:30,000
the engineer review and asked me to
remember it off the top of my head I

796
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:33,120
deal with hundreds of you know various
things in in this job.

797
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:38,560
» Should we include that in the lease
though? Should we say you got to give us

798
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:42,880
the best stuff? I what does that even
mean? I mean, we don't know. I can't

799
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:46,719
project to the future. I mean, I don't
know what the best stuff is. What are we

800
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:50,319
going to monitor their equipment?
Presumably, they know what they're doing

801
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:54,560
and they're going to get the best
equipment so they don't have to pay too

802
01:08:52,239 --> 01:09:00,640
many times different rents that they
want to have the best trajectory. I

803
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:03,679
mean, at some point, cuz Jacob's Well,
let me finish. Jacob's absolutely right.

804
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:07,520
I mean, maybe they're going to say,
"Enough with this nonsense. We're

805
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:12,080
working with AT&T. We're going to build
that tower. Buy the bridge approach.

806
01:09:09,759 --> 01:09:15,359
We're going to go up that amount of fee.
You may get better service and be happy

807
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:19,920
about it, but you're going to get zero
revenue for the taxpayers. So, and you

808
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:26,480
may be fine with that trade-off. I'm not
suggesting that that's a bad trade-off.

809
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:31,040
I'm just saying that I don't know that
a non-existent problem with Verizon

810
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:35,600
service in that part of town is
something that

811
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:39,440
is cuz I never get complaints from
people about cell service in

812
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:45,679
» I just don't like the flip side of it is
that maybe there's like like there's

813
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:50,080
people that are concerned about the the
environmental impact of the signal. Like

814
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:53,520
I'm just saying we don't know.
>> Totally. I mean with neighbors who were

815
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:57,520
worried about
>> so like maybe there's something that's

816
01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:01,760
healthier for people. I don't know. Like
why don't we know what their what the

817
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:06,080
options are
>> and what their like we're just saying

818
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:15,040
all right tower. You can put up whatever
you want and and it seems like something

819
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:21,360
we should engage in to to know
what's available, what they currently

820
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:24,480
have. Like I I I don't know. But but it
doesn't sound like you know either. And

821
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:29,679
I think I think we should know like what
if we have junky equipment and they're

822
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:32,719
you know the next town over has better
stuff.

823
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:37,120
» How how old do how old is it the
equipment there now?

824
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:41,280
» They the the various providers have
updated their equipment. I can't tell

825
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:45,360
you which one updated on which day got
approval from the planning board. Did

826
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:48,719
the you know did the work. I can tell
you that the last couple approvals that

827
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:53,840
came through the planning board while I
was on planning board were not about

828
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:58,080
signal strength. They were about 911,
emergency services, stuff. It was like

829
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:00,880
it was stuff like that. It was
>> pretty critical.

830
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:05,600
» Of course, it's critical. I mean, maybe
like that could be part of it, too. But

831
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:10,400
the point is is that if we don't know,
why don't we know and why why don't we

832
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:14,239
engage in that sign a lease? I think
again

833
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:17,040
you know this is like trying to solve a
problem that you haven't quite

834
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,760
demonstrated that there is a problem but
now you're saying why don't we know what

835
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:23,040
equipment is we do know what the
equipment is there I just don't have it

836
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:29,040
in front of me that's
>> even if we did we're not techn we're not

837
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:33,520
engineers none of us and and it would
require us hiring probably and I don't

838
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:40,080
think anybody tying bond has that
expertise it's a very narrow

839
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:45,840
» I disagree I like there's
saying like follow the logic. You're

840
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:49,280
saying you're are you saying that we
shouldn't

841
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:53,040
engage in the equipment? We just we
don't care. That's up to the company.

842
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:56,000
» But I wouldn't know. It's like speaking
another language to me that I don't

843
01:11:54,719 --> 01:12:01,040
speak is my point.
>> Okay. But saying you don't if you're not

844
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:05,679
going to understand it is like
>> what I understand is is it an upgrade?

845
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:09,920
Is it new technology? Uh is it an
upgrade from the old technology? Is it

846
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:14,640
supposed to improve our service? They're
going to say yes. And and unless someone

847
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:18,159
of us has the expertise to challenge
that, I don't think we're in a position

848
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:22,800
to have that conversation. And this is
just about renewing the lease. You know,

849
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:26,080
I think we should renew the lease. I'm
going to make the motion right now that

850
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:30,719
we renew the lease. Uh if you don't want
to vote for it, that's your business as

851
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:35,760
a legislator. But I I think that
conversation that you're having is not

852
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:42,159
is a conversation that can be had. It's
not for this. That's all I'm saying.

853
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:47,360
» My question to you would be when if not
now, then how and when would we would we

854
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:51,760
negotiate it with them? This is the one
point where we have leverage

855
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:57,440
» number one is is around the corner.
Well, again, I I I threw out as a as a

856
01:12:55,199 --> 01:13:03,520
what I thought was a sensible compromise
is if the issue seems to be with AT&T,

857
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:10,000
no reason to to disbelieve you on that
and they are at the lowest crime, then

858
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:14,640
happy to uh make that known to AT&T that
is part of our renewal, we need to see a

859
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:18,400
demonstration that they have improved
service within that area of potential.

860
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:20,719
I'm happy I'm happy to do that. That
seems like a reasonable compromise

861
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:25,280
between
>> and I would be happy when we when they

862
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:29,760
came in front of planning board they
they were in a mad rush and they were

863
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:35,920
able to turn around all kinds of
information in a very short period of

864
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:38,640
time like two weeks
>> three weeks so

865
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:42,800
» my suggestion
>> I'm happy to get working on that now

866
01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:48,239
even though that renewal is not due for
three years and I hope to be here in

867
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:50,400
three years when that renewal comes
But yeah,

868
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,800
» um
>> we made recently.

869
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:59,679
» What's that?
>> Nothing.

870
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:05,760
» I Bill, I am not I am I I think we need
to renew this definitely before the

871
01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:11,920
lease runs out, but I think we should
have an opportunity to to to

872
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:15,640
have more information and see if we can
we can make it better.

873
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:25,679
I can tell you there is no way between
September 8th and September 23rd that I

874
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:34,320
can advance that discussion so that we
first of all I have no ability

875
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:38,239
to get from them information about other
equipment that is possible. I can say to

876
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:42,640
them, look, we're not going to sign
until, you know, you you tell us what

877
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:46,480
better equipment there is and give us
guarantees that you will always use the

878
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:49,520
state-of-the-art. Presumably, a business
is doing that because they're in

879
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:53,840
competition with T-Mobile, Mint, and
all, you know, all these other carriers.

880
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:59,600
So, presumably, they're doing that. I
hear you. I don't I I I want to be sure

881
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:05,040
that, you know, I convey that I hear you
and I think that's good for us to do

882
01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:09,920
what we can to improve the service. The
planning board has already approved this

883
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:14,640
tower which is on private property. All
the revenue will go there. And once

884
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:22,159
that's built,
right? That makes a better time to

885
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:27,280
discuss with AT&T. Hey, look now this
works fine, but by the way over here on

886
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:32,320
Kelly Road, this ain't working so good.
So we want you to, you know, consider

887
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:36,080
the top spot, better equipment,
whatever. I think that's the time to

888
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:40,080
engage with AT&T on that. But that's
just my opinion and I'm almost ready to

889
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:46,320
entertain Bill's brother.
>> I would be happy to to take that on with

890
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:51,199
them and have the discussions and see. I
mean, I spent an enormous amount of time

891
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:55,520
learning about this when when the other
tower came in front of the planning

892
01:15:52,640 --> 01:16:00,239
board. So, it's really not rocket
science. Yes, it's technical, but it's

893
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:04,239
not it's it's you can do the research
and understand it.

894
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:07,040
And and so I think
>> that matter took a long time for the

895
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:10,000
planning board to resolve. I mean, there
were meetings after meetings after

896
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:14,080
meetings because it was a parallel
proceeding with the zoning board of

897
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:21,280
appeals. I I I'm very familiar with that
because I was on the other end. And I I

898
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:26,000
I don't I think you're right. When
there's something that's so exoggen,

899
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:30,880
they'll find a way to get it done. But I
think considering that there are three

900
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:34,560
cell providers and most people have
given up their landlines and this is

901
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:39,600
their essential way of communicating for
emergencies, I don't think it's

902
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:43,040
responsible to not renew this lease.
>> I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't go

903
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:46,000
back to them in the future because our
tower's old by the way.

904
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:51,199
» Uh when was it?
>> Our tower is old and the idea that we

905
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:53,360
would extend the tower upward
>> that's a whole different

906
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,960
» that's a whole another conversation. But
but that's the time to have that

907
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,040
conversation is
>> wow

908
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:02,239
» our tower is old
>> and why would we extend the tower? We

909
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,960
don't even have a provider who wants to
take the

910
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:09,760
» Well, there's probably business reasons.
>> There's there's multiple levels of it,

911
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:13,920
right? Like, are like, can we negotiate
with them to force them to do a whole

912
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:18,560
engineering study? Maybe not, but maybe
they have information

913
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:23,199
at their disposal that could answer some
of these questions. And it doesn't seem

914
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:28,159
like we ask the those questions to them
in this lease negotiation.

915
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:32,239
» I I think that's fair. I don't think
that it's been demonstrated that there

916
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:36,640
is a problem. In fact, I think that the
services being provided from those of us

917
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:42,159
who have this particular carrier in this
part of town. Had no complaints in my 11

918
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:46,239
years and change in this position. Uh
coverage uh in this part of town. I

919
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:50,320
think it's critical just like you say
it's critical to to be able to conduct

920
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:55,920
business. It's critical to be able to
make emergency phone calls, cell phone,

921
01:17:52,480 --> 01:18:01,840
and so so on forth. So, I want to make
sure that um this carrier doesn't move

922
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:06,719
to some other location privately owned
that may be even more inferior,

923
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:13,280
especially since there's no issue. This
carrier has the highest spot that's

924
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:18,480
occupied right now on the site. So,
I hear you. I'll see what I can do to

925
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:22,719
try to help uh address some of your
concerns. I'm willing to do do that, but

926
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:27,280
I I know just with this time on I'm not
going to be able to advance I'm happy to

927
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:33,600
do it and I think it would be reasonable
to say that we we give this until the

928
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:39,199
the October the the first October
meeting.

929
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:42,199
You can sign a lease within 3 or 4 weeks
like

930
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:51,760
» Okay. What what what do other others
think? Um, Jenny,

931
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:57,199
» I just said I think we should I think we
should make this decision on the first

932
01:18:54,400 --> 01:19:02,560
October meeting and use the time between
now and then to see

933
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:05,600
what information is available about the
equipment and the signal.

934
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,600
» Okay.
>> Okay. But I I would like to

935
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:14,560
» Is that a proposal? Well, before you go
entertain that proposal, I would just

936
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:18,320
like to remind folks there are other
things that we were supposed to be

937
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:23,280
tackling we haven't tackled. Okay? So, I
know you've offered your services here.

938
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:28,239
We're still waiting on salt shed stuff.
We're still waiting on So, I appreciate

939
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:33,120
that you all want to jump in on this
stuff, but we're still waiting on other

940
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:37,280
things. So, just keep that in mind.
>> Wait, what? I don't understand what your

941
01:19:34,719 --> 01:19:41,120
point is. You're what are you saying? My
point is before you say that you're

942
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:44,800
going to tackle something between now
and the next few weeks. I want to remind

943
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,360
you that months ago we were supposed to
have something back on salt shed and all

944
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:52,880
that stuff.
>> I'm not in critical path on salt shed. I

945
01:19:49,679 --> 01:19:59,120
I designed it and sent it to Brandy.
She's working on it. But no, I mean, so

946
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:03,679
are you saying I'm just saying that we
we don't take on more than like I've

947
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:09,360
just indicated. I'm not going to be able
to advance in the next couple of weeks.

948
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:14,640
this what you're asking for
and and again I think you you have

949
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:18,080
identified the problem related to AT&T
on the lowest wrong but somehow we're

950
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:22,960
going to get
>> do you feel guarantees we're

951
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:26,719
jeopardizing something if we approve
this in October yes

952
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:31,760
» why
>> because I think they're trying to figure

953
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:36,640
out whether or not it makes more sense
for them to go to a different location

954
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:40,719
» which would not be good for
>> that is that is their options. Our

955
01:20:38,719 --> 01:20:43,840
options are to say, "Hey, we want more
money or we want more equipment or

956
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:46,640
» then they would have to build a tower."
>> They have to build a tower.

957
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:50,480
» That would be much more expensive than
>> You mean the the tower that they have

958
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:52,159
approval for?
>> Is that what you mean?

959
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,320
» They got the approval. They haven't
built the

960
01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:57,040
» Is that what you mean? That tower on
private land that they have approval

961
01:20:56,159 --> 01:21:01,400
for?
>> Yeah. Well, what's it cost to build a

962
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,400
tower?

963
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:12,320
I would just say we have four rungs
occupied. We have three. No.

964
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:18,080
So Christina, what you're proposing is
to get information about equipment

965
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:24,400
coverage, things like that by the 1
October meeting. And then at that point,

966
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:29,600
what do you think we should do to change
that with release between that meeting,

967
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:34,800
the meeting to approve it effectively,
not immediately, but that meeting or

968
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:39,840
hypothetically the next meeting? Um, I
don't know that I don't know if we're

969
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:44,480
going to have sort of the time to get
that information, have a discussion

970
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:48,000
about it, figure out how that fits into
changing a lease agreement, going back

971
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:52,880
to Verizon to see if they're okay with
the changes, which I imagine this is

972
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:57,040
probably fairly standard like across
>> Wait, but you you missed an important

973
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,159
step. Who were we hiring,
>> right?

974
01:21:57,679 --> 01:22:02,719
» What do you mean?
>> The planning board hired somebody to

975
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:07,199
review their work. They hired somebody
before they came to the planning board.

976
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:11,840
They're experts on on the coverage,
right? Who are we hiring? Where's that

977
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:16,880
step fit into the schedule? And how much
money are we going to expend?

978
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:22,679
I am not suggesting that we hire a
consultant because I think the

979
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,679
information is understandable

980
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:28,480
to
enough people with a certain level of

981
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:31,440
technical knowledge. I can understand
it. I wouldn't need a consultant to

982
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:35,679
explain it to me.
>> I would raise my hand and say there's no

983
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:39,440
way I'm going to understand the best
equipment. I think your words were and

984
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:42,320
make sure they put the best equipment on
that. There's no way I'm going to be

985
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:46,480
able to understand that. And the best
equipment today is not going to be the

986
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:51,360
best equipment in two years. And
>> is talking in circles here because your

987
01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:56,639
displeasures with AT&T and I've heard
the same thing from many other AT&T

988
01:22:53,360 --> 01:23:01,120
users about the corridor on 9G. We're
not talking about AT&T. We have plenty

989
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:04,880
of time to work with AT&T to try to get
that service improved.

990
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:09,440
» Talk about price. We are talking in
circles. But my point is to be very

991
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:16,159
clear.
>> It seems foolish to not have the

992
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:22,920
information.
>> Well, my motion still stands to approve

993
01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:22,920
this lease.

994
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:30,800
If it doesn't go forward, that's fine.
But I I think it's foolish and I think

995
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:35,840
it's reckless frankly to not for
something a critical service like this

996
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:41,600
which people rely on to call the 911
when someone's having a heart attack

997
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:46,239
to to you got less than two months to
work this out. Now if you brought this

998
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:50,159
up when we had our last conversation
about this lease which was two months

999
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:53,520
ago that might have been a different
story but

1000
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:57,120
» I agree. But we're but we're not we're
not this is where we are now. And I and

1001
01:23:55,440 --> 01:24:02,719
I I really think it's not the
responsible move to be trying to

1002
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:07,760
question this now. Now we'll have 5
years to decide and there'll be 5 years

1003
01:24:05,679 --> 01:24:12,960
worth of I'm sure in the course of 5
years there'll be additional upgrades

1004
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:17,199
and you know improvements to service you
know that they're going to advertise.

1005
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:22,000
And that gives the town and the town
board time to look at that issue. Um,

1006
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:27,760
and it also gives the town board time to
look at, you know, the tower is old and

1007
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:31,920
do we want to do a new tower. Is that is
that a good financial thing for the town

1008
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:36,400
to do? Um, does it provide the level of
service that we think our residents

1009
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:42,880
deserve? Those are all, I think, good
conversations to have. I This is an

1010
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:47,040
issue of making sure that we get Verizon
back up and uh I'm not hearing any

1011
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:53,360
complaints from Verizon. I've never
heard complaints from Verizon users. Um,

1012
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:57,600
and so I I think it's apples and
oranges. I I do

1013
01:24:55,760 --> 01:25:01,280
» Well, I like the idea of walking and
chewing gum, which is passing a

1014
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:05,920
resolution and to try to get you the
information that you want and then, you

1015
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:10,480
know, during the negotiations with AT&T,
see if we can solve this issue, maybe

1016
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:15,280
get somebody to occupy the top spot and
maybe make that a condition. But if we

1017
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:23,040
don't have if we don't have renewals on
our tower, those renewals, you know,

1018
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:28,880
I don't know how they work together on
these towers to occupy the spots. They

1019
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:33,840
like to own one and their competitors
are renters and all of that stuff. But

1020
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:38,639
boy, they certainly have the financial
wherewithal to do whatever they they

1021
01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:45,280
want and presumably they're in
competition with others. And soon we'll

1022
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:51,480
get it all from satellites. So
the technology may not last but 25

1023
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:51,480
years.

1024
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:58,000
» Um
>> so Billy, you think if we like if we

1025
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:02,159
waited two weeks to the next meeting
like you think this is in jeopardy that

1026
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:06,560
» I'm a conservative person and anything
can happen. People get sick. Think

1027
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:10,560
you're talking about a very short time
frame for a significant service that we

1028
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:14,560
have to pro
find a way to provide for our residents

1029
01:26:12,719 --> 01:26:18,800
who use that particular carrier. There's
only three carriers and if we if this

1030
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:22,639
was an AT&T conversation, I'd be saying
the same thing. I I don't that's not

1031
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,239
something I'm going to I'm going to take
the risk on.

1032
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:28,960
» Um
>> so they have a lease until November

1033
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:32,880
» till November 1. That means October
31st. So really talking about less than

1034
01:26:31,679 --> 01:26:36,800
you're talking about less than two
months. Um,

1035
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:40,000
» so just to be clear, you think that it
will they're that it will jeopardize it

1036
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:43,360
like they're going to rip their stuff
off the other

1037
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:46,239
» but they have other business options
that they can go and negotiate if they

1038
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:50,560
think we're not going to renew their
lease. They can go talk to other people

1039
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:55,199
who have towers and say, "Well, you
know, uh, I'll put it somewhere else." I

1040
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:58,480
I just don't think it's the responsible
thing to do at this stage.

1041
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:03,480
» I I know that there are others
supporting them in other locations of

1042
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,480
the town.

1043
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:11,760
you're elected. You're entitled to a
position as a legislator. But I but I I

1044
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:16,960
I I strongly disagree with you and I
think that the timing of this is not

1045
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:22,560
good. Uh would I like to have more time
to answer questions? Absolutely. But we

1046
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:28,080
had a conversation previously a couple
months ago. That was the time to raise

1047
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:30,719
this. Not now. several I again I just I
don't know who's going to advance this

1048
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:36,000
fall because in two weeks I'm not going
to be able to speak intelligently about

1049
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:40,400
equipment in the future what's on there
you know I I would need to have

1050
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:47,040
consulting engineers I think we need to
keep this keep it moving what do you uh

1051
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:50,080
Kenny Jacob you guys haven't chimed in
as much uh thoughts

1052
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:54,320
» I mean I think it'd be great to improve
the service I I'm skeptical that we

1053
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:59,520
could add something to this agreement
that they to sign off on to tie them up

1054
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:02,159
with improving their equipment. I'm
really doubtful of that happening in the

1055
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:05,679
next couple of weeks.
>> I don't I don't see why we're assuming

1056
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,600
that they aren't putting on the best
equipment

1057
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:10,159
» because they are changing it out and
saying it.

1058
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:13,120
» But I think that them tying themselves
to that with this lease agreement. I I'm

1059
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:18,159
skeptical that they're going to want to
do that.

1060
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:21,920
» It's it's a guess, right? You don't
know. Like

1061
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:26,480
» So the question is, and I I appreciate
your position, Bill. It's like saying

1062
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:29,600
that like and and Robert, you know,
you're talking to these people. You

1063
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:33,679
know, you have a relationship, I'm
assuming, with someone from the company.

1064
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:38,800
And if you think that they're going to
they're going to turn and run because we

1065
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:41,600
didn't approve it tonight, like
I don't know. I mean,

1066
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:45,520
» I don't know. I don't want to I don't
want to speculate on that stuff. I don't

1067
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:50,560
have any inside knowledge. I just know
that they have options. Anybody you

1068
01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:56,000
negotiate with generally does or
doesn't. and uh they have options.

1069
01:28:53,120 --> 01:29:00,320
They're a major carrier. Um we know that
there's already approval for one tower

1070
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:07,360
site. I can tell you that there are
others courting them to to build a tower

1071
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:14,480
on u other property
in the northernish part of town. So I

1072
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:21,199
can't really speculate on what might
happen and I'm not to sug suggest that

1073
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:27,040
they'll run and turn tomorrow. I'm just
saying that I don't see that I would be

1074
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:32,639
in a position to speak intelligently on
the topic and equipment today, two weeks

1075
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:40,880
from now, four weeks from now. I would
need a subject matter expert to help me

1076
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:45,520
through that. And um especially when it
relates to two years from now. But if

1077
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:49,600
there's some language that you want to
propose for

1078
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:52,719
how we insist they have the best
equipment on there, I just don't know

1079
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:56,320
how we we do that.
>> I don't think logic is broken to me to

1080
01:29:54,719 --> 01:30:01,360
say like we don't want more information
because we might not understand it.

1081
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:05,040
» No, I think we had the I I'm sorry. I
think we had the equipment because I

1082
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:09,199
think they've all upgraded. So, we have
that in our files somewhere. In fact,

1083
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:12,880
came through the planning board almost
all of it. I think the engineer may have

1084
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:18,239
signed off on something if it was
dimminimous in nature, but we have all

1085
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:21,600
that information, what it means and what
what else is out there available and

1086
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,960
what we asked them to.
>> When did they when did they upgrade the

1087
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:27,360
equipment?
You have a record of when they upgraded

1088
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:30,639
it
>> and did they have to get approval from

1089
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:35,360
the planning board to upgrade?
>> In in many cases, yes. In some cases,

1090
01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:39,360
no. If it was dimminimus, if it was just
they were taking this little piece and

1091
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:43,760
putting a newer version, think in terms
of modems, right? How many times have we

1092
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:47,360
all like upgraded our modems? Yes. And
you don't know what the future modem is

1093
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,679
going to be like. Um, so
>> but yeah,

1094
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:52,000
» I don't have the dates. I don't have the
dates,

1095
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:55,679
» right? I'm just saying. So, if you know
when they upgraded them last, what did

1096
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:59,440
they upgrade them to?
>> And once you have the the model, you

1097
01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:04,000
know, every modem has a model number. So
you look up the model number and you

1098
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:08,080
talk speak to somebody.
>> The technology is changing and so I

1099
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:12,560
think the question is
>> anything that we would mandate that they

1100
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:17,520
do or require that they do or meet
standards that they do. I'm not even

1101
01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:24,639
sure that we
>> question they upgraded to 5G in the very

1102
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:29,040
you know easy past. So that's a big
upgrade.

1103
01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:32,800
What? But they're having AT&T is having
issues with

1104
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:37,679
AT&T.
We're talking about 5G. They made a big

1105
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:42,639
point about it.
>> Yeah. For anyone who wants to subscribe.

1106
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:46,800
» Well, is it possible? Is it possible we
can do both of these things, try and get

1107
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:52,800
more information on the AT&T equipment
and put ourselves in a good position to

1108
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:57,840
negotiate better service and um better
revenue from them when the time comes.

1109
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:59,360
That's two years away. I feel two years
and change.

1110
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,600
» That's the AT&T.
>> Yeah. And I feel like we can do that in

1111
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,760
a couple years.
>> That's what everybody complains about.

1112
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:07,760
So you got
>> So I mean I think that's

1113
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:11,600
» that's my compromise I offered 45
minutes ago and I'm kind of still there

1114
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:15,840
but
>> thoughts Jacob.

1115
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:19,440
» Yeah. I mean I don't I don't think that
for Verizon I have an issue moving

1116
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,239
forward with this agreement today. I
agree it'd be great to improve service

1117
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:25,840
but I don't know if that's going to come
from this

1118
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:28,880
process. So I don't think in the next
month and a half we're going to figure

1119
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:34,960
that out a change to this agreement that
they're going to tie themselves to

1120
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:38,639
improving their service in some tangible
way just from signing this agreement. I

1121
01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:42,320
think that for 18 there are like very
clear things that we can do as far as

1122
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:44,639
like moving up which if that's the the
carrier that has the most issues like

1123
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,199
there's
>> it seems like well you're saying they

1124
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,199
move up a couple feet
>> it improves things. That's a pretty

1125
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:53,040
clear thing.
>> They're the fourth position so they're

1126
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:58,320
quite a few feet down
>> if they're fourth position. Um I read

1127
01:32:56,080 --> 01:33:00,960
it's awful sometimes.
>> You have

1128
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:04,880
» Yeah. And it's and I have the same
issues on 9G for sure.

1129
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:10,400
» Um but I think that what we're hearing
is Verizon doesn't have the same issues.

1130
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:15,120
» I'm less concerned about securing them
as SE and then it seems like they have

1131
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,760
improved their service over the years in
a way that

1132
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:20,639
» the people who have Verizon are happy
with it. I think we we should use the

1133
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:26,159
time we have between now and the next
AT&T. renewable to leverage enough to do

1134
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:30,960
that, collect the information for that
>> and then um you know,

1135
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:33,360
» we don't want the wrong kid to get the
time out.

1136
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:37,040
» Right.
>> So that's why we

1137
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:40,880
» Okay.
>> I'm hearing that that might be a

1138
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:46,719
compromise, but not necessarily making
everybody happy, but we'll work toward

1139
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:51,440
improve service.
>> Okay. Uh, you you said you wanted to

1140
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:57,520
make that motion.
>> 48 48.

1141
01:33:54,800 --> 01:34:02,400
» Who wants to second?
>> I'll second it.

1142
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:06,159
» Further discussion.
Okay. Thank you. That was a lengthy

1143
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:10,719
discussion. I thought a good discussion.
Um, and I think that we can hopefully

1144
01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:16,560
achieve both of those goals.
>> I do have one other quick thing to say.

1145
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:20,560
» Sure. Um to Bill's point about we did
discuss this in

1146
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:25,520
» two months back
>> totally acknowledge.

1147
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:31,719
» I think what would be helpful to me
>> is if we can have more

1148
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:39,360
um
be more included in the communication as

1149
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:44,719
it's happening. So I'm looking at my
emails. The last email I have on this

1150
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:50,800
besides the ones from um the packet this
week were in uh March. So, you're right.

1151
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:55,520
We did talk about this a long time ago,
but if we're included in, you know, I

1152
01:34:53,360 --> 01:35:01,840
make my employees CC me on everything,
like if we're reading this and and

1153
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:06,159
seeing how the discussion is
evolving or if Robert, if you have a

1154
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:09,600
phone call, send us your notes from the
phone call. So, we're kind of thinking

1155
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:15,280
about it actively.
>> Yeah. There's very little change between

1156
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:21,199
um the instructions you gave me and uh
the result uh that we see today.

1157
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:28,080
» No, my point is that it's it's very easy
to keep everyone on the board very

1158
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:31,600
informed of where it is.
It's it's hard to prepare for a meeting

1159
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:36,320
when you have a packet and you're like,
I haven't thought about this in six

1160
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:39,120
months.
So, it's something I'm just going to

1161
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:43,679
bring up. I want to talk about it more
at the end of the meeting in terms of

1162
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:50,600
procedure and communication and the end
of the meeting is about to approach

1163
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:50,600
because we have people waiting for us.

1164
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:58,719
We have a motion. We have a second.
Additional discussion. Any more

1165
01:35:56,480 --> 01:36:02,719
discussion?
If not, all in favor? Kenny

1166
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:05,520
» I.
>> William.

1167
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:07,199
» I. myself. I Jacob
>> I

1168
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:12,239
» Christine
>> Okay,

1169
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:19,239
that was 48
>> minutes.

1170
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:19,239
Uh, okay.

1171
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:28,400
» Shared services.
>> Shared services. So, again, this is just

1172
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:34,159
some language. If you um have had a
chance to look at it, we're I want to

1173
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:40,400
remind you our fiduciary, all of us
elected, those of us who hold not only

1174
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:45,679
taxpayer dollars, but also equipment
paid for by taxpayer dollars, we have a

1175
01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:52,320
fiduciary to make sure there's a proper
accounting of those pieces of equipment

1176
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:58,719
and services that ensue from the
equipment. And so uh what we're trying

1177
01:36:55,520 --> 01:37:03,920
to do is to once again do two things
which is provide the flexibility that

1178
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:10,239
we've had during emergency situations to
share and you know uh more locally the

1179
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:15,280
villages you know we do the street
sweeping you know vice versa all that

1180
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:20,960
stuff and there's been a very good you
know mostly barter arrangement but that

1181
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:26,480
does not mean that we can exempt
ourselves

1182
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:32,719
uh both the department and uh the town
board and myself as the chief financial

1183
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:41,040
officer from uh proper internal controls
such that if uh

1184
01:37:36,639 --> 01:37:45,280
truck is loan to another municipality
and there's no accounting has it been

1185
01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:51,679
there for a day has it been there for a
week has it been there for a month did

1186
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:56,480
the truck stay at town of ABC or did the
truck then end up at Joe and Janet

1187
01:37:54,080 --> 01:38:04,320
Smith's house and so on and so forth
without having proper internal controls

1188
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:12,639
in this situation. Um uh we we could
find ourselves uh being both ignorant

1189
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:19,040
and having it run foul of um
of our duty responsibility. And so um

1190
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:26,480
drafted for your consideration some
language and then if you find that it's

1191
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:30,880
mostly acceptable then we can um uh
forward to the highway superintendent

1192
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:35,199
take a look at it as well. Um these are
things that we're already doing. We're

1193
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:41,600
already accounting for the gasoline at
the village of Red Hook uh and in the

1194
01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:46,159
Tiboly fire department and all that
stuff. We've got counters for all that

1195
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:51,440
stuff. All of that is is absolutely
necessary. And so the suggestion that we

1196
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:59,360
don't need internal controls is just not
something that is at all um in concert

1197
01:38:55,440 --> 01:39:04,080
with our uh responsibilities. So, um I'm
sorry if it appears that we're pushing

1198
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:08,800
back to the highway superintendent's
recommendation um that we not have

1199
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:12,719
internal controls, but we absolutely
must have internal controls to

1200
01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:17,760
understand where our dollars and
equipment and services are being

1201
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:24,639
provided and that you know simple logs
and simple rate comparisons. We do that

1202
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:29,600
um in many situations. So,
>> and the state controller audits us and

1203
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:32,159
Most people don't most people know that
I was a federal agent, but they don't

1204
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:35,119
know that my first two years of
employment with the federal government

1205
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:39,760
was as an auditor. I was a federal
auditor. Internal controls are boring.

1206
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:44,560
They're they're they're dry. They're un
butter toast. I get it. But they're

1207
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:50,800
critical and they're the things that
often prevent bad things from happening.

1208
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:56,719
So, you know, I hear where Theresa is
coming from on this, but I do think we

1209
01:39:53,520 --> 01:40:00,239
have a legal obligation to make sure we
get it right and so that when the Office

1210
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:03,920
of State Controller comes in and audits
us, they don't ding us for not having

1211
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:07,520
adequate internal controls because
that's one of the things the auditors

1212
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:11,920
do.
>> Okay.

1213
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:16,080
Um,
did you all have a chance to I know

1214
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:20,320
you've had this for some time now. Did
you have a chance to look at it? Do you

1215
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:26,560
have any questions or concerns about it?
Would you like to entertain?

1216
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:33,520
Um, at least forwarding this uh draft to
the highway superintendent to review.

1217
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:38,560
Uh, not saying that it's finalized, but
I know that she's been wanting to have

1218
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:42,080
this um approved.
And did we get that exhibit in there?

1219
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:47,280
» Exhibit A.
>> Yeah.

1220
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:52,560
» Yeah. So she's so she's wanting us to to
her recommendation was

1221
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:57,920
to approve it without any changes and
you're saying you want to you want to

1222
01:40:55,840 --> 01:41:01,280
» Robert and Bill you both want to
>> our council is saying

1223
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:05,040
» is actually saying
>> Chris is saying

1224
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:10,480
» well wait you know there's there's yes
legal advice but there's also our

1225
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:17,040
responsibility to ensure remember we're
in charge of the money So if the money

1226
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:21,760
is not and the services and the money
that you know the services goes towards

1227
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:28,560
if there's not a proper accounting of
those services for another municipality

1228
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:33,040
then that raises a problem. It also
means that it's outside of our you know

1229
01:41:30,719 --> 01:41:39,520
custody control and and all of that
stuff. So um we we cannot simply say

1230
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:43,199
have no internal controls. That's just
not possible. Um, certainly not

1231
01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:46,960
something
>> I don't I don't I don't I don't disagree

1232
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:52,000
with that. I guess my question is is
more one of again of timing. Like this

1233
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:56,320
one has been around for a while. If if
she wants this and is requesting we move

1234
01:41:54,719 --> 01:42:01,760
it along.
>> What What is our time frame of

1235
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:05,840
» So one of the other things that she
reminded is we still have in place our

1236
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:09,760
agreement for shared services with the
county with equipment. This is an

1237
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:11,440
expansion agreement.
>> Yeah. But

1238
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:16,159
» and that expansion
>> that's separate from the question I

1239
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:18,400
asked though.
>> Um there

1240
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:22,320
» are you asking when does it be done?
>> There is no there is no deadline.

1241
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:27,840
» I I understand there's no deadline but
>> but it would be nice to have this in

1242
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:32,400
place before the winter season.
>> Um so uh

1243
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:38,400
» I support you want to make changes. I I
support that. I have no issue with that.

1244
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:43,920
But I know this has been
>> on our agenda a bunch of times.

1245
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:48,719
» Let's let's forward it to her to see,
you know, what we think is a good first

1246
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:52,960
draft on some internal controls. And
again, this department's been doing this

1247
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:59,280
with other things, gas, diesel, sand,
salt, so on and so forth. Those logs

1248
01:42:56,000 --> 01:43:03,920
take place. Uh there's technology that,
you know, makes it easier. this may be a

1249
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:08,639
little bit more challenging and that you
would have to do input like we loaned

1250
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:13,760
our truck to town of so and so for three
days the value of that truck and those

1251
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:18,719
services are x amount of days that all
needs to be accounted for that's all we

1252
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:22,400
don't want to make it too cumbersome um
you know uh

1253
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:27,119
» should we have a goal of when we want to
when we want to

1254
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:31,760
» well have the a draft finalized
>> I'd like to do that by October at the

1255
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:34,800
house but that's just me. I mean, I
don't think we're going to get October

1256
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:38,239
snows. We're not getting any snows this
year.

1257
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:41,239
» The sooner the better.
>> Yeah.

1258
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:48,320
I would suggest that we we now forward
this. If we don't have any glaring

1259
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:53,760
concerns about the language, we forward
this and and ask her. I mean, she's

1260
01:43:50,639 --> 01:43:58,000
given us her opinion, which no internal
controls, but obviously we can. So you

1261
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:01,199
so you want to make changes to this
draft and then forward it to her.

1262
01:43:59,679 --> 01:44:06,000
» No, no, I want to forward it to her. Now
>> this has the changes that you exhibit A

1263
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:10,000
is the the part about the internal
controls, the activities log,

1264
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:12,400
reimbursement, all of that. So it's
adding that to the thing that she's

1265
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:17,280
already reviewed and said she's in
support of just the internal controls so

1266
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:20,400
we know how our equipment's being used
and

1267
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:23,280
» Okay. Have you talked to her about it as
>> not beyond the emails that she sent? I

1268
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:26,600
think that she made herself very clear
in her emails.

1269
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:33,360
Yeah.
>> So, let's try to do that between now and

1270
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:37,840
the first meeting in October. I think
that that's

1271
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:43,600
» Well, I guess the question is, Jacob,
when you chat with her

1272
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:47,760
» really the question is
if there are things that she finds

1273
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:52,639
objectionable, please point them out.
>> Sure.

1274
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:59,360
» No, no, no, no, no. recommendations for
changes to something, right? Because we

1275
01:44:56,480 --> 01:45:03,199
need to progress this to a a result.
>> Functionally, this is one page. It's one

1276
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:07,520
page of things to review, practical
controls. It's not complicated. It's not

1277
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:11,280
the full 13page agreement. It's just one
page for how we want to handle things in

1278
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:17,040
the town.
So, I think that she should be able to

1279
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:20,159
review it and get back to us within the
time frame and saying, "Here's something

1280
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:24,480
I'm concerned about or here's something
that I would suggest changing."

1281
01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:29,119
» And and again, we can still share an
emergency situation. So, now we're

1282
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:33,119
talking about non-emergency situations
>> and we're coming upon, you know, the

1283
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:39,600
season where the plants are closing, you
know, early November typically. So

1284
01:45:37,679 --> 01:45:45,159
yeah, but sooner rather than later and
it has been

1285
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:45,159
bouncing around.

1286
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:55,920
So is that is that a motion to send this
along

1287
01:45:51,760 --> 01:46:00,000
uh to the highway superintendent for
comment and specific recommendations on

1288
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:04,639
potential
uh changes to

1289
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:07,199
» document?
Yeah,

1290
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:13,119
» sure. I I'll make the motion that we
share this to

1291
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:18,400
» Teresa for review and feedback. And you
know, I think to your question, the goal

1292
01:46:15,440 --> 01:46:25,199
of getting this done as soon as we, you
know, all feel good about it.

1293
01:46:22,719 --> 01:46:29,119
Uh motion to share with the highway
superintendent. Is there a second?

1294
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:32,880
» I'll second.
>> Any further discussion?

1295
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,400
All in favor? Kenny
>> I. Christina.

1296
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:41,280
» Hi,
>> myself. Hi, Bill and Jacob.

1297
01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:45,119
» Okay, we have the reports. Um, we got to
get going, folks. Uh, we got three

1298
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:49,360
minutes. Anybody? Jacob, do you want to
say something about housing committee

1299
01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:52,719
and updates? And of course,
>> um, I know that we have a letter from

1300
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:57,600
uh, housing committee. I wasn't able to
attend the last meeting, but they asked

1301
01:46:54,639 --> 01:47:01,199
for updates about um the proposals they
made to us the last handful of meetings,

1302
01:46:59,199 --> 01:47:06,560
including about emergency housing, good
cause eviction, home share program. Um I

1303
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:10,960
think they're asking for thoughts and
feedback from the board with respect to

1304
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:13,840
those proposals and you know, basically
asking what they can do to move them

1305
01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:19,920
along,
>> right? So

1306
01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:24,080
could we then take some time between now
and the next meeting and look at those

1307
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:28,800
three? The one time sensitive they said
was about um emergency shelter over

1308
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:35,040
wintering. Yeah.
>> Um so could could we take some time to

1309
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:40,320
discuss that? Um I think I've sort of
filled you in what I know about what's

1310
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:45,920
available grant funding and uh agencies
to to assist with that. But um can we

1311
01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:50,480
put that on the agenda for the next
meeting? So

1312
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:54,800
» very at least we can share what we do
know and what we do think.

1313
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:57,920
» Yeah. So I can I can get back to them
and let them know that we're planning to

1314
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:00,159
speak about it or feel at our next
meeting.

1315
01:47:58,639 --> 01:48:04,159
» They also invited us to attend the next
housing committee meeting which is the

1316
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:07,040
Monday after our next meeting. So 6 p.m.
here in town hall. So

1317
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:10,719
» um
>> yeah.

1318
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:18,400
» Okay. And then the last thing was a uh
and then we're going to go I hope um is

1319
01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:23,920
a letter from our honorable Justice
Lisa.

1320
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:29,840
As you know, the town uh Justice Court
will acquire the village of Red Hook

1321
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:37,840
Justice Court in April 2027.
Um these are logistical issues. Um

1322
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:45,119
they uh have a meeting coming up this
month with special counsel to uh town

1323
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:50,000
and village justices in the ninth
judicial district to discuss some of the

1324
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:56,239
logistics. In the meantime, files,
files, files. Right, we were talking

1325
01:48:51,920 --> 01:49:02,800
about records and files. Um so as they
have been doing in the village

1326
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:06,639
uh hall um they are requesting the
assistance of clerk who's familiar with

1327
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:10,960
the process
um that's Madison Hart

1328
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:20,159
um
and uh they want um our services

1329
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:24,719
so that we can progress the uh filing of
the

1330
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:29,280
files that are coming over uh before so
they can be processed for destruction.

1331
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:34,719
So we have to have records retention of
those uh one night per week for no more

1332
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:39,840
than 8 hours per week. The duration of
employment would be 3 to 6 months.

1333
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:44,800
Suggested rate of pay would be $18 per
hour. Um we believe Miss Hart with her

1334
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:49,520
knowledge.
Loan and storage needs da da da will

1335
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:54,639
provide very helpful. They've had this
uh underway in the village for a while

1336
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:59,920
now.
So, they anticipated submitting an

1337
01:49:56,639 --> 01:50:07,840
application to JCAP that has a $30,000
cap. Um we hope to include something

1338
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:15,480
else, new carpet, something like that in
the grant application perhaps. um for

1339
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:15,480
the remainder of that balance.

1340
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:25,760
Um this will not cover payroll
uh the grant. It will cover expenses

1341
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:30,320
associated. So we would need to do um a
budget adjustment for this.

1342
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:34,159
» Was it for this year or for
>> Well, that's not quite clear.

1343
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:37,440
» That's what I It sort of looks like it
would start this year, maybe go into the

1344
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:41,840
next year because it's 3 to six months.
So we'll see if we can get a little bit

1345
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:45,199
more
at all.

1346
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:50,800
» So, no action to take.
>> Um,

1347
01:50:46,719 --> 01:50:54,480
can can we can we give uh the judge our
initial implation if we do have one? I

1348
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:57,360
mean, I'm supportive of that.
>> I'm supportive of

1349
01:50:55,679 --> 01:51:00,960
» um
cuz we want to make it, you know, a good

1350
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:04,719
transition.
>> Yeah.

1351
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:09,280
» Yeah. Oh, I'm supportive of it. It's the
hour the rate jumps out at me as being

1352
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:16,639
very low. And I
>> um I think you know as we go through our

1353
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:23,040
budget for next year, maybe that's the
time to really evaluate like

1354
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:25,280
if we're paying someone $18 an hour, I
don't I don't consider that a living

1355
01:51:24,639 --> 01:51:26,320
wage,
>> right?

1356
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:27,199
» Red hook.
>> Right.

1357
01:51:26,719 --> 01:51:34,800
» So
>> yeah. Um, and this is a this is a uh

1358
01:51:31,679 --> 01:51:39,520
parallegal student I think Madison.
>> So, this would be sort of along the

1359
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:46,080
lines of like a paid internship kind of
a thing as opposed to um a steady

1360
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:49,760
permanent job, full-time job. But yes,
what do we pay our lifeguards?

1361
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:51,199
» Hang on. Hang on. I totally agree with
you.

1362
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:55,599
» I I'm not
>> I totally agree with you.

1363
01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:58,719
hourly rates discussion, but that jumps
out at me at

1364
01:51:56,639 --> 01:52:02,560
» I totally agree with you.
>> That's a conversation with Lisa.

1365
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:04,639
» Be interesting to learn what the village
has been paying her for the work she's

1366
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:08,159
been.
>> I totally agree with you.

1367
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:12,000
» Curious how this compares.
>> We'll be having lots of conversations

1368
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:15,920
about cost drivers.
>> Is it that it says she's been with the

1369
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:19,760
village?
>> Folks, we need to get going. Um I

1370
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:21,920
apologize. We can take up more of this,
but we'll give the initial inclination

1371
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:24,880
to
>> Are we not doing the committee reports?

1372
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:27,199
Because I have one quick thing to say.
We're not

1373
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:29,280
» We're not doing committee reports. So,
we're going to let them speak for

1374
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:34,239
themselves.
>> That's fine. Then I just real quick um

1375
01:52:32,239 --> 01:52:36,560
» Bill, your water your water leazison is
on.

1376
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:42,639
» Do we have any progress on the dead
ends?

1377
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:44,639
» Oh, you mean uh where the where the
sediment you mean?

1378
01:52:43,679 --> 01:52:50,880
» Yes.
My understanding is they're discussing

1379
01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:55,599
putting in some kind of flushing and
they're going to do it. They recognize

1380
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:59,280
but the testing that there was some
concern that what was building up was

1381
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:01,280
manganese.
>> Yes.

1382
01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:02,960
» And it's not. It's iron.
>> Yeah.

1383
01:53:01,679 --> 01:53:10,639
» Um
>> which is its own issue but it it's it

1384
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:15,760
has to be addressed. Um and
my understanding is that the water uh

1385
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:18,719
water department is trying to get they
you know they have to get they usually

1386
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:23,679
use I think Frank Rossberg to do their
esavating they have they have to get

1387
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:28,080
employees schedule to get things done
>> I guess short answer is what is the

1388
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:31,440
timeline of fixing it like 6 months 12
months 18 months

1389
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:32,880
» oh no I think I think it's to this year
right

1390
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:38,320
» oh yeah
>> oh yeah to this year

1391
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:44,639
» okay thank you all for coming um at this
time and we could be back out uh for

1392
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:48,480
action at this time. Um I would like to
make a motion that we go into executive

1393
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:55,520
session
to discuss

1394
01:53:50,719 --> 01:54:05,040
pending litigation matters
as it relates to initially as it relates

1395
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:09,520
to the Treza versus town of Red Hook. Uh
action.

1396
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:13,840
Is there a second?
>> Second. Don't Don't be all excited.

1397
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:15,040
Okay. Uh all in favor, Kenny.
>> Hi,

1398
01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:17,280
» William.
>> Hi.

1399
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:18,080
» Myself. I
>> Jacob.

1400
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:19,360
» Hi.
>> Christina.

1401
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:26,000
» Hi.
>> I want to thank you all very much. I

1402
01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:31,920
hope uh you stay healthy
um this September. and uh we'll see you

1403
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:38,199
back here September 23rd, if not after
our executive sessions. With that being

1404
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:38,199
said,

1405
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:49,679
it's 9:58. We're back in the meeting.
Thank you all very much for patiently

1406
01:54:46,639 --> 01:54:53,239
waiting. Um,
at this time

1407
01:54:54,880 --> 01:55:02,880
uh we'll let you know that we discussed
the town board discussed legal strategy

1408
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:10,080
regarding the Treza lawsuit in executive
session and uh we gave council direction

1409
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:15,679
and that's all uh that we can report on
that. At this time, we would like to

1410
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:22,000
make a motion to enter executive session
to discuss pending legal matters,

1411
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:28,800
various um
uh tax assessment, uh pending matters,

1412
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:34,960
um
Damon, AOL. So, there are many of them.

1413
01:55:31,679 --> 01:55:36,719
So, um at this time, I'd like to make
that motion.

1414
01:55:35,599 --> 01:55:40,560
» How many?
>> 39.

1415
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:43,599
» Yeah. Okay. Okay.
>> You're welcome to sit around.

1416
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:49,199
» No, I won't want to know if he's going
to list them off, but at 39.

1417
01:55:48,239 --> 01:55:53,760
» Um,
>> I'm sure we can provide a list if we ask

1418
01:55:51,119 --> 01:55:57,679
» a motion. A motion to enter executive
session. Is there a second?

1419
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:59,280
» Oh, you have you moved it. Okay. A
second.

1420
01:55:58,639 --> 01:56:08,040
» Second.
>> Okay. Uh, discussion. If not, all in

1421
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:08,040
favor, Christina, myself, I. Thank you.

1422
01:56:11,599 --> 01:56:16,679
have the clock at 10:59.

1423
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:23,080
Thanks for waiting, folks. At this time,

1424
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:32,639
I would like to make a motion that we
direct council to proceed in accordance

1425
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:41,280
with discussion in executive session as
it pertains to the pending litigation

1426
01:56:36,719 --> 01:56:48,239
matters. Bayon at atall
um and uh the other 38

1427
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:54,320
um
potential plaintiffs.

1428
01:56:51,679 --> 01:56:58,639
» I think I made that motion, didn't I?
>> Second.

1429
01:56:55,760 --> 01:57:02,080
» Okay, any further discussion? If not,
all in favor? Christina,

1430
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:06,560
» I
>> Jacob myself.

1431
01:57:04,719 --> 01:57:10,159
» Thank you very much. At this time, this
concludes tonight's meeting. I want to

1432
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:15,360
thank you very much for your patience
tonight. Stay healthy.

1433
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:22,599
» A motion to adjurnn.
>> Motion to adjurnn. Second.

1434
01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:22,599
All in favor? I I