[4:25] is 9:00.
>> So, let's go ahead and
[4:38] talk
[4:43] » here.
Cherry
[4:45] » here.
>> Councelor Angela
[4:46] » here.
>> Here. Yeah.
[4:50] » Okay. Stand in the invitation pledge.
>> Dear heavenly father, we just thank you
[4:56] for this beautiful name. We thank you
for the rain that we've been receiving
[4:59] for our forests and for our rivers.
We're just so thankful for that. We ask
[5:03] that you would be with us as we go
through this meeting. Uh give us wisdom,
[5:07] give us judgment, and help us to make
the best decisions for our community. In
[5:12] Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. America
[5:25] under God,
liberty and justice for all.
[5:34] » Okay. First item is the I'll make a
motion to approve the agenda.
[5:41] A motion second. Have any discussions?
All in favor?
[5:46] » I.
>> Motion carries. And next item is public
[5:49] comment. Seems we don't have anybody
signed up. Uh so we'll move on to
[5:54] approval of the minutes from our regular
meeting of July 28th and our special
[6:00] meeting August 14th.
>> I'll make a motion to approve the
[6:05] minutes.
>> A second.
[6:07] » Any motion and second? Any discussion?
All in favor?
[6:13] tickets.
>> In the next items, we have recognition
[6:16] of one of our employees who I also here
today is for Edward
[6:21] and recognition of five years of service
to the town. Your commitment, hard work
[6:26] and contributions are sincerely
appreciated and Edward drives the uh
[6:32] trash truck for us. So very very
important points and shall keep our
[6:38] voice for five years. We are very happy
and very important.
[6:41] If you see Edward, be sure to tell him
congratulations. Okay.
[6:46] All right. Next, we have a presentation.
We have two with us. We also have red
[6:51] with us with us for planner on Parson.
So, u we're so excited to have you guys.
[6:58] Yeah, we are. We love to have you here
with us to give us an update. So, I'm
[7:02] going to turn it off.
>> Um should I stand?
[7:06] » Sure. Why don't you say any kind?
[7:11] Uh,
[7:18] » hey, thanks
members of the council
[7:23] just
>> I'm the forest planner
[7:26] » and we wanted to come give you a little
preview, I guess, of this uh the
[7:33] Castillia project that we are planning
to release to the public for a 30-day
[7:40] comment period. uh coming up in
September.
[7:46] » So this first slide is the uh east side
of the Carson and the colors underneath
[7:52] there are from the 2020 New Mexico
Forest Action Plan. The darker redder
[7:58] colors represent higher fire risk. And
as part of that forest action plan, the
[8:04] state identified 12 priority landscapes
uh for restoration within the within the
[8:09] state. This enchanted circle, the whole
enchanted circle area was one of those.
[8:13] And in 2022, the Forest Service adopted
that Enchanted Circle landscape as one
[8:19] of our top 10 priorities nationally for
the entire Forest Service. Um to reduce
[8:27] fire risk, protect communities. Um and
then also the under the uh county
[8:36] community wildfire protection plans,
this they they talk about community
[8:41] protection uh risk reduction. The next
slide is going to show the proposed
[8:48] project area um
which includes so that's the purple
[8:55] outlined on this slide. It includes all
of the Quester Ranger District and most
[8:59] of the Camino Rial Ranger District to
the south. The gap down there south of
[9:05] TA is um excluded because we have two
recent decisions in that area that cover
[9:12] this same type of work. The Tal Canyon
decision and the McGaffy decision. Uh
[9:17] the rest of those two districts totals
about 490,000 acres and we think there's
[9:25] a little over a 100,000 acres in there
where we have uh opportunities to treat.
[9:31] And by treatment we mean wildfire risk
mitigation, fuels reduction and forest
[9:38] restoration
um
[9:42] spinning and prescriber.
So, next slide. That could look like a
[9:47] lot of different things. So, thinning
could be by hand with chainsaw. Um, or
[9:54] it could be using larger equipment, a
harvester or u bunchards.
[10:02] And then to remove the material in some
places, we can do that with fuelwood
[10:08] haulers uh dead down fieldwood permits.
We've also the our demo project has been
[10:14] really successful. That's local folks um
using their own equipment to thin an
[10:20] acre at a time and they keep the
material. They're hauling it off with
[10:24] their own pickup trucks basically. Um in
some areas where the material has value,
[10:31] you can sell it as timber, as lumber. Um
we have also included mastication and
[10:38] chipping as an option.
um that requires hauling this equipment
[10:44] around. It's more labor intensive. It's
not going to be the right fit
[10:49] everywhere. It in a lot of cases it
costs more. Um but we do have it as an
[10:54] option. The main thing is it doesn't
remove the fuels from the site and in
[10:58] most cases that's what we're trying to
do. So next slide. The most efficient
[11:05] effective way to remove fuels is by
burning them either as pile burns or
[11:11] broadcast burns. Um that picture on the
lower left is another option that we've
[11:17] included. Um that's called an air
curtain incinerator. Basically all the
[11:21] combustion happens in that container.
Again you got to haul this equipment
[11:26] around. It's a lot more labor intensive.
that's a lot more um costs a lot more um
[11:32] but it could have limited uses.
Ultimately, any of these um techniques
[11:38] or tools, the intent is to prepare the
landscape for a wildfire so that when we
[11:46] have a wildfire, the fire effects and um
our suppression response to it looks
[11:53] more like that upper right picture and
less like the lower right picture.
[11:59] Okay, next slide.
So, I have a big map of this. Um, like I
[12:06] said, we've identified about 20% of the
landscape where we think we have
[12:12] opportunities to treat. Um, so there is
a big map there that people could look
[12:17] at. I think you all also got if you did
not I can give you this little onepage
[12:23] um handout
that has the has the uh at least got
[12:29] some um it has the
project website on there and this map is
[12:36] available there as a TV
um
[12:41] so what we're focused on
these polygons are frequent fire forest
[12:47] titus So that's ponderosa pine and dry
mixed conifer. The red areas on the map
[12:53] are close to the communities or in the
wildland urban interface. So that's our
[12:59] highest priority for treatment. The
orange and yellow areas are further out
[13:05] or they're less accessible. So those
would be lower priorities. Um we've also
[13:11] identified these purple areas. Uh those
are other forest types. So treatment in
[13:17] there wouldn't be to restore the fire
regime, but it would be for other
[13:21] reasons like forest health, treating an
insect and disease outbreak, um or just
[13:27] breaking up the mosaic, um creating fuel
brakes that would help us fight a
[13:32] wildfire.
Um to get to all these locations, we've
[13:37] identified 137 miles of legacy roads.
These are old logging roads basically
[13:43] that already exist on the landscape. Um
but the the Forest Service doesn't do
[13:48] anything right now to manage. Um we
would open them up for the project and
[13:52] then decommission them um once the
project is complete. We're also
[13:58] proposing leaving some roads open either
to the public or for administrative use.
[14:03] Those would be like fire roads. Um, and
Alisa, there's a table printed out there
[14:10] that uh details
[14:15] uh the all the road miles. It's also on
this printed map.
[14:21] Um, it's important to point out that
what's shown on this map are
[14:25] opportunities. It's not a map of planned
projects. So these are not um
[14:32] thinning units or prescribed burn units
because the locations of these could
[14:39] change a little bit based on surveys
that we still need to do for wildlife
[14:42] for archaeology. Um also could change
based on partners who are interested in
[14:48] doing this work and what their
capability is. Um and then on funding.
[14:54] Um
[14:57] so all that sight specific kind of
planning would happen over the life of
[15:02] this project which is maybe next 10 to
15 years or more. We do that in
[15:06] coordination with the communities and
with our our partners for the next time.
[15:13] Okay. So I'm going to end with this
picture from the 96 Honda fire. and
[15:19] looking at this fire scar
still trees have not grown back on that
[15:24] fire scar and probably that's not going
to be a force um in my lifetime.
[15:29] The the quote on the right side there is
from the Gana Canyon Sristoal community
[15:34] wildfire protection plan and it talks
about the impacts of that fire. Um 20
[15:39] homes burned postfire ash pillows and
erosion uh that resulted in fish kills
[15:46] in the Rio Grand and significant impacts
to siki infrastructure.
[15:50] We've seen those impacts more and more
in the last 30 years since this fire and
[15:56] in a lot of places these dry ponderosa
pine forests um are still at this kind
[16:03] of risk. We've been chipping away at the
problem but it's been smallcale for the
[16:08] last 30 years. Um the smallcale
analysis, small scale thinning projects
[16:14] and uh what we're trying to do with this
project is increase pace and scale to
[16:20] meet the scale of the risk. And then the
last slide is one last picture that's of
[16:26] the Carson from uh 1912
and you see large ponderosa pine. It's
[16:34] widely spaced. there's not a lot of
vegetation in the understory and so
[16:38] fires in these forests acted a lot
differently. They didn't kill the
[16:42] understory trees. So when a fire went
through um a forest was left behind and
[16:48] that's the kind of fire that we're
trying to reintroduce. Um and that also
[16:53] gives us a better chance to protect
those homes that we weren't able to
[16:57] protect in 1996.
Um, so that's the link to the uh project
[17:04] web page. More information, the map is
there. Um, you can also see the comments
[17:09] there. The comment period will start on
September 8th. It'll go for 30 days. And
[17:14] then my contact information is on the
bottom of that slide. Um, and I'll hang
[17:21] out. I I mean, we'll hang out outside
Lisa if people have questions. I think I
[17:27] handed out all our little flyers and
things.
[17:31] » And if you guys have other questions,
[17:36] » thank you.
>> Exciting to see you guys doing something
[17:38] like this because this has been meaning
for so we're glad it's moving forward.
[17:44] Questions council or
>> I have a number of them but I'll take
[17:48] them on the side. Okay. Thank you guys.
Thank you.
[17:58] Okay, next item is final
features.
[18:04] You see in August for June four sectors
in construction we were up $55,250
[18:14] 177 27%.
Retail trade was up $6,271
[18:21] 6.22%. 22%.
Real estate was up $17,950,
[18:30] 38.86%.
[18:33] Accommodation food service was up
$8,230,
[18:38] $8.53%.
It's nice to save up.
[18:46] So, our gross receipts tax recap for the
month, we were $25,380
[18:54] 7.44%.
And here today we're up $61,823
[19:01] 11.52%.
[19:06] LE's cash recap. At reporting time, we
had six nightly rentals and one
[19:10] management company that had reported.
And for the month, we are down 12,820
[19:18] 11.97%.
Year to date, we're down 62,129
[19:26] 6.33%.
Were the people that didn't report that
[19:31] brought us? Yes, I believe. So
>> it's interesting that
[19:39] » of that property management and how many
they manage as well.
[19:42] » Right. So
>> and a lot of this is catching up from
[19:46] January from the first quarter, right?
Trying to close the gap.
[19:52] » Questions for you got your tech register
in there.
[20:02] review.
>> Yes.
[20:03] » All right. If there's your questions, I
would take a motion to approve the
[20:06] financial and expenditures.
>> I'll make the motion that we approve
[20:10] financial report and expenditures.
>> Have a second.
[20:14] » Second.
>> We have a motion and a second to approve
[20:18] our expenditures for July. Any
discussion? All in favor?
[20:24] » I. Motion carries.
>> We'll move on to committee reports.
[20:28] Public safety. Um we did hold a meeting
but my department was had calls so they
[20:33] were doing service calls so we
technically did not discuss anything. Um
[20:39] their department reports um are in the
minutes from this meeting. Um so you can
[20:44] see their department numbers.
>> That was it.
[20:49] » Okay. Any questions
around public?
[20:53] » We did have a meeting.
Isaac reported that the well number five
[20:57] is still down.
Uh they're monitoring the water levels
[21:02] and everything seems to be in good
>> great great condition. So do we need
[21:08] to fix uh but that's good news with
what's going to go on down the hill.
[21:14] Some folks down there uh Northern Paving
will be doing the final stage of
[21:20] pavement on the Bitter Creek area. Is
that correct? No jump. Oh jump. Sorry, I
[21:26] got the wrong thing.
Um,
[21:30] for the we're waiting on the new new
water meters for the workforce housing
[21:35] still. Oh, you got them. So, that
happened since our meeting. That's good.
[21:41] » Uh, the school zone lights which are
going to be solar have arrived.
[21:46] » Wonderful.
>> Which when are they going to go in?
[21:48] We're going to try to get them in this
week. They need two days to charge solar
[21:52] tubs. But that happened.
I know you had to piece them together
[21:57] that's a lot cheaper to go to that
pretty expensive sidewalk for the
[22:03] woods and stuff as well.
>> Awesome. Great. Great.
[22:08] » A lot of things happened since the
meeting. So, uh the valley gutters are
[22:12] being installed. The rest of high street
that will take place next summer.
[22:17] Uh and then street sweeping.
We're trying to get on a schedule now.
[22:21] So, Tuesdays and Thursdays don't Street.
>> Um,
[22:30] let's see. The paving for Ber Creek
and Stage Cove, there is funding secured
[22:36] for that, but we're still getting the
bids.
[22:40] We have it.
>> Jim's going to do it. Okay, good. Good.
[22:44] Uh, sidewalk project. We're still
working on some punch list stuff. I
[22:47] think they're almost done. Yes.
Uh, public works building. Uh, no.
[22:54] We're never going to get to move into
another
[22:59] has taken over as the plumber compared
to the one that they had hired before.
[23:03] So he's the perfect right now. Okay. So
we're getting close.
[23:11] » Um and then on the on equipment vehicle
and equipments, we're going to look at
[23:15] leasing equipment, trucks, trash trucks
um from enterprise. So that'll keep us
[23:22] from having to take the long process of
finding a specific equipment. We can
[23:26] just lease it and but put that in our
budget. So I think it's worked good with
[23:30] the graders. Um so hopefully we can make
that work well
[23:35] and future needs. We we're still going
to get a lift or that's something we
[23:39] would lease. Also possibly
treatment plants, the new fine screens
[23:45] are still a couple months out. The
drawings are complete. So we're getting
[23:49] closer and closer. At the time the
meeting staffing was good and after that
[23:53] we were journal.
>> Thank you. Questions?
[23:57] » I have some side questions. In light of
the recent rain on Rose Hill behind me.
[24:02] Um we're seeing all of that cleichy clay
washing down as we're redoing High
[24:08] Street. Are we going to refund that um
runoff? Because right now it comes down
[24:13] and runs down an alley.
>> Um you guys are trying to keep it clean.
[24:18] It's discussed it with uh J motion on
our last Congress meeting.
[24:22] » Thank you.
>> And it's part of a permit. So they need
[24:26] to set that up for us to do that.
>> Right. Just just since we're observing
[24:29] it, it's a good time to talk about it.
>> You want to
[24:34] we just need to funnel it so that it
doesn't put property in danger. Yeah.
[24:41] » Anything else?
>> I think that was all of mine.
[24:43] » Parks and trails.
>> I didn't have any. We're working on
[24:47] getting more to you. So,
>> okay. Glad you're saying that.
[24:51] » Unfortunately, we didn't have a meeting
either. Sometimes events put a big
[24:55] impact on my committee, so they were not
able to gather.
[24:59] » Okay. Me, got a couple things. So, the
one thing that's on here that says
[25:03] specialized technical services for
advanced IT fees for requests. So, IRA
[25:09] is the Inspection and Public Records
Act, which gives the general public the
[25:13] right to ask the municipality for um
records, emails, phone records, pretty
[25:21] much anything because everything we do
is just an open book. And so, I think
[25:25] it's important, just just a little FYI
for you guys, um our legal fees for
[25:32] March, April, and June were $4,191
for that. and the IT part was 1,400. So,
[25:39] it's it's costly um because we have to
have our our legal team go through
[25:44] actually we have to have somebody go
through all the emails, pull everything,
[25:48] the legal has to go through the redacted
things that can't be released as far as
[25:52] personal information. So, um it is a big
deal. The municipal league is doing a
[25:57] big push to do full reform at the
legislature to to get this where it's
[26:03] not it's not that we ever want to hinder
the public from our information. But a
[26:08] lot of what's happening too is that
there's people from all over the country
[26:13] that call in and they want the
information and God only knows what they
[26:17] do with it. But it's just a burden
because we can't say no and it's a
[26:20] deadline. So it's a dedicated person.
This doesn't even include the time it
[26:24] takes for staff to spend weeks on
getting this information. So, it's just
[26:30] it's important that you guys know. I
mean, it's it's good that we can make it
[26:34] available to the public, but would it
sometimes it becomes a burden for us and
[26:37] it's impossible.
>> So, mayor.
[26:40] » Yes.
>> So, would this be an external um
[26:43] organization that would do this?
>> Uh it's it's individuals. It's who?
[26:50] » No, no, no. Excuse me. I'm sorry but
um so the
[26:56] » technical services so are are we just
adding money or are we actually hiring
[27:01] some technical services?
>> This is our ambitions that we work with
[27:05] that we already have. It's our IT
service but it's outside of our contract
[27:09] so it's additional cost.
>> Thank you. I I just need a little
[27:12] clarification. So thank you.
Um, okay. So, that's
[27:17] uh let's see. We you had a survey in
your packet that we want to send out.
[27:22] So, we had the meeting about adding um
the business registration
[27:27] update and our business
ordinance. So, in there we had some some
[27:33] questions about food trucks. Um we got
strong opinions on both sides and we're
[27:39] probably going to have a work session at
some point this month. Did y'all have a
[27:42] chance so we could get questions on the
survey?
[27:45] » Yes.
>> So, we'll probably send that out through
[27:47] Survey Monkey because I think it's
important that we get both sides of it
[27:51] to uh as we go forward making our um
decisions. So, that that'll be going
[27:56] down probably next week. Um let's see.
The sign for the wastewater treatment
[28:02] plant is in the process. It seems like
it's kind of stalled right now. Uh we're
[28:07] hoping to get it because we dedicated
that to the we renamed the Russell A.
[28:11] Church uh treatment plant. We're hoping
in the next couple weeks we can get that
[28:17] dedicated and have that complete. So if
you look out there, it has it has
[28:21] started. Uh September 3rd, we will have
the goodtorial candidate Greg Hall will
[28:27] be in town. He's going to be doing a
northern tour. So he'll be in uh Tal Qua
[28:34] and then end up here at 5:30 at the
conference center and do a a meet and
[28:39] greet reception from 5:30 to 7:30. So
that'll give you guys an opportunity to
[28:42] come out and and at least visit with him
and get some questions asked. I think
[28:46] it's important um you know that we have
a chance to meet the candidate who are
[28:51] going to be running November because
we're going to have the new governor and
[28:53] you know we're going to be working with
so I haven't had anybody from the
[28:57] Holland um campaign committee reach out
yet but if they do of course we'll
[29:04] entertain handed them by Pure Tube.
Okay.
[29:06] » Will the town be hosting them?
>> Uh no. Okay. It it'll be uh
[29:10] » it'll be their campaign.
>> It's there. Yeah.
[29:13] » Okay. Just Yeah. Um, the municipal
conference starts tomorrow. So, I know
[29:20] Steve and Angel myself will be going and
Rene and
[29:26] » regrets.
[29:31] » Jason. Okay.
I said, "So, um, so we will be out for
[29:38] most of the week, but we all have cell
phones, so you need anything, please
[29:43] feel free to reach out."
>> But your remaining council people will
[29:46] be in town. We're available. [laughter]
[29:51] » But call them first.
[29:55] Charge. So,
>> good.
[29:58] » All right. [snorts] Any questions?
[30:02] » Okay. Inside of the zoo business, first
item of the business is to ratify Steve
[30:08] Gorsuch to the parks and trail
committee. You had an attempt to speak
[30:11] prepared, I assume.
[laughter]
[30:23] Steve Gorsk to parks and trails
committee. Is that a second?
[30:25] » Second.
>> I have a motion in a second. Any
[30:28] discussion?
>> Okay. Roll call.
[30:30] » Councelor Daniel L.
>> Yes.
[30:32] » Council Black.
>> Yes. Council Cherry.
[30:34] » Yes. Councelor Justin Brown.
[clears throat]
[30:36] » Yes.
>> Motion carries. Welcome aboard. So we
[30:40] will also address
members.
[30:45] » Okay. Next item is consideration and
approval of resolution 2026-22.
[30:51] This is the notice of intent to apply
for funding from the water trust board
[30:56] for a wastewater system improvement
project and this will be for the
[31:00] collection system to continue that way.
So the the plan is to apply for for this
[31:06] one now and then in December to apply
for plan design construct for the sludge
[31:13] handling the treatment plant. So
hopefully we could get both. The uh the
[31:18] legislature did make a change last
session where they took it out of their
[31:23] hands. So if we used to apply once a
year and then it went through their
[31:28] process for approval and it kind of
slowed everything down. So now we're
[31:32] hopefully we can apply more. It'll be a
quicker process and we can get more
[31:36] funding to get things done. They want to
get more money in the community to get
[31:39] our treatment plans the waste water.
So, I would take a motion to approve
[31:46] resolution 2026-2.
>> I'll make that recommendation.
[31:52] » I have a second.
>> I'll second.
[31:54] » Okay. I have a motion in a second to
approve the resolution. Any other
[31:58] comments or discussion?
>> Okay. Roll call. Councelor Justin
[32:02] Randberg.
>> Yes.
[32:03] » Councelor Daniel L.
>> Yes.
[32:05] » Councelor Angela Black.
>> Yes.
[32:06] » Council Cherry.
>> Yes.
[32:09] » Motion carries. All right. Next is
matters from the governing vote. Council
[32:13] Lamb,
>> not today.
[32:16] » Council Black today.
[32:21] » Okay, there is now to business. We'll
get started. Thank you all.
[32:27] Pushing down.