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All right.

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We'll do the official start.

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This is November 3rd,

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city Council workshop,
and we have a couple items.

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First workshop item is, wastewater
treatment facility plan.

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So I will hand it over to Shawn and Kelsey
and welcome to our consultants.

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Thanks for being here tonight.

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Good evening.

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Included in your packet is the draft,
wastewater facility planning document.

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It's, I think just it's 400 pages.

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I assume everybody's read that word.

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For what? Arsenal's perfect.

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Yeah. Okay, great.

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Anyway, so we're gonna we've
got our friends here from Bolten Menk

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that are going to go through a PowerPoint
kind of give a high level overview

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that should be done in 4 or 5 hours.

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And moving on.

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Kelsey had a couple things on the timeline
she wanted to highlight and

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yeah, just

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a reminder, this has been sort
of a three year process in 2023.

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We started with a feasibility study
with SCH, and they kind of outlined

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some of the needs
that we had moving forward.

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2024, we had an RFQ for an engineering

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firm to do the facility plan
and that was selected.

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And they spent almost two years
working on this plan.

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So the first year was a lot
of, asset information

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gathering,
but we had on our at our facility.

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And then the next year
was planning out the alternatives

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and all that sort of thing.
So it's been a long time.

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They've been working on it.

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So we have Jacob Pichelmann

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with Bolton Menk,
with Ryan Helgardiner, and then Hannah.

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Thank you.

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Kelsey

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Well. Thank you.

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It's good to see everyone again.

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I think last time we were in April,
we did the,

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wastewater plant tour, so hopefully
that was a good experience for everyone.

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And, you get to see, the full extent
of the need out there, right?

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So that's the goal.

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And there's a lot of important decisions
that gotta be made here,

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by the city council.

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So that's
what we'll be talking about today.

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I know your time is valuable, so I'll try
to keep it to, like, 15 to 20 minutes.

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And then, if there's any questions along
the way, don't hesitate,

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to stop me. So.

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So what are we talking about
as a wastewater facility plan?

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As Kelsey stated, you know,
this is a about a two year process

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that we started in 20, 24, in the spring.

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And it's kind of like at this moment.

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So what what does the wastewater facility
plan Covid 20 planning document?

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So we're looking at,

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the City of Red Wing needs over
the next 20 years that can be,

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from a permanent perspective
or capacity perspective, basically,

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your ability to treat your wastewater over

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the next 20 years
is what's encompassed in this report.

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So, we looked at things
like community growth,

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that includes your both residential
and industrial, projections.

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You support,
six industrial uses in town at the moment.

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Looking at your 20 year design condition
and your flows,

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your loading capacity at the plant,

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and then ultimately looking at your
existing infrastructure, your evaluation,

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what is your ability to meet those 20 year
needs with the existing infrastructure

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that you have?

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And what kind of improvements do
you need to consider, into the future?

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So that includes permanent regulations.

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That's a big consideration.

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You know, your ability
to meet your current permit limits

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and what possibly could come in the future
that could impact the type of processes

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you have out there and the type of money
that you need to spend to do that.

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And then looking
at all those types of alternatives,

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basically throwing everything at the wall
and seeing what sticks and making

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sure there's no stone left unturned,
to be thorough in this process.

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So you're looking at every possible
alternative.

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And obviously with that cost analysis,
funding analysis, user rate

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analysis, all those things
that you're going to care about,

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and ultimately,

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coming into the conclusion of what's

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recommended of capital
improvements over the next 20 years,

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this report is important
for more than just that.

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It is required, for PCA project approval.

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So we need to submit this thing
to the PCA for approval.

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And that's really the first step
of the process, in a long phase

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to actually implement improvements,
including design and construction

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that would occur after this.

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So we're still at the planning level,

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what you'll be seeing later
in this presentation

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or planning level estimates,
that they will be refined

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further as you get into the design
and construction phases.

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The other thing that this

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report does is it's required
for being eligible for state funding.

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So, this allows you to get on

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or state funding lists to be considered
for, low interest loan opportunities,

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grant opportunities and all those things
that, are needed to make this project

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affordable for the community.

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So diving into, community growth,

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just to cover some of the slides,
we actually talked about,

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the wastewater site
when we met at the conference room there.

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So reiterating some of the things
we already talked about, which is,

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make sure you remember
some of the important needs here.

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So community growth,

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when we did it, complete
a 2040 community plan, I think in 2019.

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So we did use population estimates
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2020 census population of,
just under 16,800,

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with a 2040 projected population
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So what we did for a 20 year
planning document is extrapolate

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that to 2045, which is 20 years from now.

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And it came up with a designed population
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So that gets baked into,
wastewater projections

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and your ability
to treat that waste, from all your users.

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The other thing we did was engage with,
the community development department.

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It's not just looking at 20 needs.

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We wanted to at least,
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of that existing site,
you have to be able to know,

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with a little more certainty that,
you know, even in 40, 50 years

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from now, that that site and support,
your potential growth.

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So looking at, 20

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plus years beyond so undeveloped,
properties within city limits,

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community development identified
something like 450 acres or,

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just under 1600 units of,
rather than just development.

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And there's also areas outside of the city
limits that could be potential

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for annexation to 675 acres
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under residential units, for a total of
about 4000 residential units.

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So you add all that up?

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You're talking in an ultimate population,
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You know, it's kind of a crystal ball
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And you don't really know
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but it's at least as part of the decision
making process to be able to take that a

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number of it.

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You know, if we build something here,
we expect to be the last another 50,

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60 years.

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Currently this structure has
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I think you'll find the answer is yes.

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as growth for us,
we did talk to your industrial users.

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You have six permanent industrial users.

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Of those, three are significant,

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as far as their loadings
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So the total, as far as, flows,
you're looking at eight, 12%

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of your overall flows at the plant,
which is, the smaller piece of the pie.

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But as far as the pollutant
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which is really
what the wastewater plant is doing. Right.

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If you had perfectly clean water
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you could just discharge the river.

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The purpose of the plan is to remove
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loadings coming from the industrial
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So they are a much bigger footprint
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So, we are projecting some growth
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and, overall,
a little bit of growth in your flows.

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In other words, in the next 20 years.

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This is on a map,
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So it just shows those areas
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So the areas to the west are within city
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that could be developed in the area

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to the east and east of the high school
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that is outside of the city
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So all in all, again,
kind of a guessing game with

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whether or not
that's going to happen and when.

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But again, we wanted to at least,

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think about this for the future.

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So getting into some of the history
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and that was really the

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the purpose is getting everyone out there
to see these things historical.

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Your history
and some of the, the precedent that,

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you know, you had them at home
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And it's pretty consistent
with any other community.

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You know, typically every 20 to 25 years,
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having to do a major infrastructure
project at your wastewater plant.

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The original plan was constructed in 1960.

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That's 65 years ago.

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And over that timeframe,
you've had that happen with compliance,

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records and maintenance of the plan
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That's allowed to last
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So it's really a testament to
the operating uses that we have on hand.

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But these things don't last forever.

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So again, you're looking at the capital
improvements every 20 to 25 years.

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So, you know, following that timeline
around 1980, 20 years

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after the original project,
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that, it was 1999 to the 2005 timeframe
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So another 20 to 25 years.

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And then you've done
some smaller projects on your, biosolids

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digestion site in the last,
you know, 10 or 15 years or so.

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But, you're in that cycle now, so you're
at that point where you're at 20 years

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and you really need to start

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thinking about planning
and designing these things to get it going

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and positioning yourself to make these
improvements affordable for the community.

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Talking about your aging infrastructure.

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So again, 20 plus years since your last
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So in that sense,
you have a ton of needs out there,

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where the do
nothing option is not an option.

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And,
you're not able to just not do anything.

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There has to be action taken to,
improve, what you have over there.

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At the very least, retirement, aging,
critical infrastructure perspective

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that set aside
other things like permitting

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long term growth, ability
to support your long term growth.

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So I just want to state that up
front, doing nothing is not something

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that you can really entertain.

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So we expect it to serve a slice of,
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You structures

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in your buried pipe, being out there
for 50 to 75 years, you're at 65 years.

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You can see that in some of the structures
out there, some of the the solving

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that's happened over the years,

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going through all the freeze
thaw cycles through the Minnesota climate.

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You're seeing that I mean,

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these guys within the last two months
did a pretty significant repair

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on, trickling in filter cutter
because it's a big chunk of concrete

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fell off the side and it was, you know, 20
plus grand to be able to fix that.

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So those things happen

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at an increasing rate as you,
wait longer and longer to repair

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some of this infrastructure

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and you have those, side
expenses that you have to take on.

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So things like you're building components
and systems, roofing,

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waterproofing doors, hardware,
electrical distribution systems,

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those are items

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that are usually in that 20 to 30 year
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And then, things like the process,
mechanical and chemical, feed components,

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the things that make the plan work
and actually treat the buildings

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that are in direct exposure

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to that wastewater
is typically more like a 20 year item.

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So, you're right there
with a lot of those things.

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As far as the overall age.

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And then in the last project, because,
you know, 20 years of wastewater exposure

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with some of the stuff. So,

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you know, I like to compare it
to your guys's homes or businesses.

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Right.

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Every 20 years replacing the roof,
you're saying your doors are hardware,

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your, water heater, your boiler.

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All the little systems in your house
and the tens of thousands of dollars.

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Take that in a wastewater plant

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and it's tens of billions of dollars.

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It's the same thing you got,
you got to replace these things

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as they get old.

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So beyond just aging infrastructure,

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it's there's other outside factors
that are a driving force in this process.

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It's permitting
and the limitations of the existing plant.

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So as far as a permanent perspective goes
to PCAs is undergoing

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their nutrient reduction strategy
that we actually got some news on.

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They may be pausing that for a little bit.

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We'll see what that actually means.

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But you know,

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we expect over the next 5 to 10 years
that you will have a relationship

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that, that will significantly alter
the types of processes

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you need to have in that plan.

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What you have out there right now
will not nitrogen.

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Another one is total sulfate, for class
for your wild rice standards, sulfate.

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It is toxic to wild rice,

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we suspect is your next permit
that you will have a sulfate limit.

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There's not really, from a treatment
standpoint, anything to do with that one.

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That's more of a matter of,
you know, getting a variance or something

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to kind of kick the can down the road
because it's not something

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you really treat for.

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But, another one to think about PFOA
or forever forever chemicals or a hot

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button topic that, that probably most of
you have heard about at this point.

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You know, that's another one

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where the PCA is starting
to implement their biosolids, strategy.

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And now, operators out
there are taking samples

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for p 500 mile cells to verify
where they sit.

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You know, and fortunately you're
in the lower tier as far as we know.

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So, you may not have much implications

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for us in your bio,
so I'll just it's a good thing.

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So the big driver there is really a huge
reduction if you get on the nitrogen limit

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at that point, the types of processes
out there will not work.

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The other
factor is your existing facility.

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So again, your biological treatment
process is limited.

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Not just in what they can treat,
but also the space that it takes up,

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you can't accommodate the growth
that you would,

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possibly foresee
with the existing processes out there.

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There's no room to build the same thing
that you have.

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You can rehab it.

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You can construct, new in its place,
but you're not expanding that process in

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any substantial manner that would account
for your growth potential.

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So with that, you have a small site.

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It is a four acre site.

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It's sandwiched between the Mississippi
River and a railroad.

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There's very limited space out there.

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And it's limited
to three miles of storage.

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You know, the operators are having
to haul off 20% of your biosolids

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each year to other communities
because there's no room to the storage

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at the tanks to do it,
and there's no way to build new ones.

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Other issues,
including floodplain, access,

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issues, getting to the plant
during flood conditions, could be address

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and code compliance issues, especially
in your biosolids digestion process where,

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there's a ton of work and expense
associated with separating that out.

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So it means, code compliance
or fire protection.

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So, variety issues
with the existing plant.

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So getting it

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into general alternative is to kind of
take a setback at high level.

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The next slide will get a little more
granular for the types of alternatives we,

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looked at.

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But just at a high level, you know,
the first thing we want to look at is

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constructing new technologies
on the existing site.

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You know, you have a process
that takes up a lot of room.

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It's very efficient.

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And what it does, it's good for the limits
you have to meet now.

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But if you look at future amendments
are going to be able to do that.

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So, being able to identify new processes
that are going to support

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your foreseeable roles and also be
expandable is to allow you to to build off

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and and build a more infrastructure,
which apparently can't do,

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and then have that infrastructure
meet your current and future needs.

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The other component with
this is maximizing reuse

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of existing infrastructure.

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So a big cost savings is
you do have stuff on that site

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that has value
that you can repurpose into new things.

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And that saves money the long term versus
this next alternative

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that we'll talk about.

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So constructing a new facility,
an alternative site.

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The main benefit with that
is that it gives you,

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you know, surplus space,
to think about for future growth,

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whether or not you needed it, you know,
so at least we wanted, to take a hard

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look at what that looks like,

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so you can see the costs are
and realize that it's pretty expensive.

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We've got a plan.

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Largely due
to the demands of your wastewater.

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You have to plan on it
to a different location.

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It's been a lot of the money
and piling in, pummeling us.

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And overall, you'll see that
it is by far the highest expense.

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Other
options that, we entertain as a part of,

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the facility plan is, you know, what
it cost to rehabilitate what you have.

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We are.
You said this is not really viable.

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Staff will do nothing.

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It's also really not viable
to rehabilitate what you have because,

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a you don't have,
the space for expansion.

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And you're also allowing us to to process,
you're not able to do that with,

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there's also the issue
with the future terminal limits.

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If you get a limit in the next ten years,
that investment

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you've made in your existing process
is the same investment.

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It's, it's a poor investment.

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So we would not, suggest investing

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significant dollars
and just redoing what you have.

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You may have to, address things
as they come up over

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the next few years, but to build
what you have is not a good idea.

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Yeah.

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Option here is regionalization
that we talked quite a bit about,

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the last time around.

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Excuse me.

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So we, we took a hard

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look at this, and there's some practical
engineering issues, actually, Regionalize,

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you know, there's also,
you know, the business, a wastewater.

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Right?

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And you'll be able to plant
that supports your community,

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your growth, taking care of your needs.

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You know, as soon as you regionalize,
you become,

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often a customer
of a sanitary sewer district,

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you know, you get out of the wastewater
business in that sense,

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and you lack control,
setting your own rates,

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you know, doing the types of improvements
that you want to do.

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So there's that issue, you have,

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you know,
the engineering issue is the goal.

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And where you stand, who is going
to be contributing to that plan?

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There's not a good, sop for that,

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you know, relative to communities
around you.

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So from those reasons, regionalization
is not, considered by a player,

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it doesn't mean that you can

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create capacity and accommodate growth
for someone else to develop in your career

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or there's

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which to you, the future, but

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you're not looking to build a new plant
somewhere outside of the city.

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And it's just as an analysis
and get it there and then have to,

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construct this answer.

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This is a district
that would still be a customer.

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So for those reasons,
regionalization is not considered

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the best option.

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So getting into the alternatives analysis,
we won't spend a ton of time

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on on the processes themselves,
but just kind of,

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clumping that
in a few different buckets here.

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So the one, is the rehab,
your existing plans.

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And then an alternative to two through
six, is kind of,

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one bucket of getting a new technology
on the existing site.

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And we looked at five different processes.

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That would help reduce the footprint
of the treatment

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technology and allow you to,

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provide more space
for the future of the structure.

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And then the last alternative
is also through the seven,

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which is relocating the plant
to an entirely new site.

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So, there's two really components
to this, right?

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It's the costs,
which might have some sticker shock on

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some of those tasks
right across the board,

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even if some of the rehab alternative
is not just to rehab what you have.

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There's also the evaluation criteria,
you know,

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regardless of the cost,
do these improvements meet our needs?

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So strictly from a cost basis,
there's kind of three tiers.

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The first tier is a rehab.

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You're looking at something
like $60 million to rehab what you have.

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And again, I'll remind everyone
this is planning level estimates.

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We have a construction
estimate of just over 42 million.

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There's a 20% contingency just to consider
whether they're running the ones we have

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at this stage of the game.

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Once you get into design,
you consider narrowing that contingency

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and getting some other numbers.

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But I think, for the process,
that's a good estimate.

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And then saw cost, added on top of that
for a total of 60 million.

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Next tier is that, you know, building
new technologies on the existing site.

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The alternatives two through six,
you know, they're all, within a fairly

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narrow cost
range, 140 to $150 million proximately.

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And then the last year is moving the plant
altogether to a new site,

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$250 million estimates,
or, costs escalate quite a bit,

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but you have to convey that wastewater
internally somewhere else

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and then and build a brand new plant
and then not incorporate

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some of your existing
infrastructure in that plant.

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Yeah.

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Can I just ask two questions really quick
before you go on?

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Yeah.

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The, where it says B, an R and B

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are assumed
that's the, the type of facility site.

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Yes. Right. Okay.

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And then can you tell me what
O and R stands for.

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Peace of Omar's operation
maintenance and replacement costs.

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Thank you. Yeah.

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So looking at the evaluation criteria,
you know, clearly,

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alternative, the $160 million is by far
the least expensive, right?

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Is that the best idea?

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Answer no, because the only thing
that really does for you

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is, is it meets your current permitting,
and it has relatively low.

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And our LMR
costs for your existing plant,

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as far as its ability to meet future
permitting, its cost is very, very low.

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It's reliability, ease of operation,
fairly low expandability.

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It uses the site
very low and capital costs.

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It's a little counterintuitive,
but that's also very low,

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because assuming that

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eventually you will get more permanent
or more stringent requirements,

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you will have to make an investment
in one of those other options,

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in which case you need
all the money you have.

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The problem is it's more or less sunk,
and over the life

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cycle of these improvements
is going to be the least cost effective.

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So that

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is the lowest for other,
all set of attorneys,

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alternatives, 2 to 6, you know, very.

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And they're pros and cons
relative to one another.

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The space utilization and how big
they are, their ability to meet future

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urban limits, all those things, fluctuate
based on the prices you look at.

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But ultimately, what we came to
is that alternative five to the bar,

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which we'll talk about on the next slide
is the best alternative.

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As far as overall scoring up and down,
especially when it comes

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to the expandability
and utilization of space on that site.

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And then alternative seven, scored,

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kind of the mid-range overall
because it is, you know,

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you would have the ability
to meet current and future permit limits.

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You have to rely on the process
that you would build on a new site.

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It would be expandable,
but capital costs are very high.

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And then you're also paying extra money
to of that to different sites.

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There's more energy costs
and, more costs in general for that.

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Yeah.

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So why does number three
mean future permitting?

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And then the rest don't

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the rest do.

448
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So alternative three is an advanced
in process of a membrane bioreactor.

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Essentially you're incorporating

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a membrane into your treatment process
that filters out the waste.

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Essentially, you can get down to very,
very low organics, very low solids.

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It's just it generally produces
a higher quality effluent.

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It's it's overkill for what you need
based on the expected

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permit limitations that we received
from the previous part of this process.

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So it does for well as for future
programing, because of that.

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But it's also the more expensive it's
also harder to operate.

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There's maintenance and repair associated

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with a number of replace it
every 3 to 5 years.

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It's all those things
that make it less desirable.

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Thank you.

461
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So for the highs.

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And that said, before, you know,
in the sense of the alternative, 5 or 6

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and seven is still a good score.

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You know, you're able to nature and
the future determines that alternative.

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You know,

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the questions
with kind of how the scoring plays,

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maybe

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00:24:28,266 --> 00:24:31,803
just for like when we talk to our,
you know, people in the community.

469
00:24:31,803 --> 00:24:35,607
And of course, I'm no expert on the
alternatives and different things, but,

470
00:24:35,907 --> 00:24:38,944
two through six like these are different

471
00:24:38,944 --> 00:24:42,247
like chemical or biological ways
of dealing with weight loss.

472
00:24:42,247 --> 00:24:46,251
Or is that the most general way to,
like describe it?

473
00:24:46,251 --> 00:24:47,085
Yeah, they

474
00:24:47,085 --> 00:24:51,356
are all biological treatment processes
and they're all slightly different.

475
00:24:51,356 --> 00:24:54,359
Okay. Different way to do the same thing.

476
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,396
That all have pros and cons
about how they lay out, how big they are

477
00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:59,798
or how effective they are.

478
00:24:59,798 --> 00:25:00,232
Yeah.

479
00:25:00,232 --> 00:25:03,201
That have kind of the message, you know,

480
00:25:03,235 --> 00:25:06,238
and then from the large
big picture perspective,

481
00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:10,108
you know, the cost estimating is probably
within the margin of error here.

482
00:25:10,108 --> 00:25:13,278
You know,
they're all I would say pretty close.

483
00:25:13,278 --> 00:25:15,514
I would confidently say
that alternative is reason

484
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:17,349
the most expensive for the membranes.

485
00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:19,684
I would probably say alternative to that.

486
00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:23,922
A big process with a lot of things,
would be more expensive than alternatives

487
00:25:23,922 --> 00:25:24,723
4 or 5 and six.

488
00:25:24,723 --> 00:25:27,359
So we're very good at stating
relative costs.

489
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,263
I think, you know, 140
range is a good,

490
00:25:31,263 --> 00:25:34,232
estimate for what you have
in the bill builder, across the board.

491
00:25:34,232 --> 00:25:35,834
So thank you.

492
00:25:35,834 --> 00:25:39,204
And your and then you would be cited
in some of the based on allegation

493
00:25:39,271 --> 00:25:44,843
of our commercial or industrial
like even waste what they're what works.

494
00:25:44,843 --> 00:25:49,347
But I did kind of need to clean those
or whatever it is for that.

495
00:25:49,681 --> 00:25:51,716
I don't know if that question makes sense.

496
00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:52,083
Yeah.

497
00:25:52,083 --> 00:25:56,054
That's what you're kind of determining
which process is most appropriate is that.

498
00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:56,588
Yeah.

499
00:25:56,588 --> 00:26:00,825
Like a good chunk of the report
that indicates, itself to, you know,

500
00:26:00,825 --> 00:26:04,429
projecting out your floors and loads
and that analyzes all the alternatives.

501
00:26:04,429 --> 00:26:08,433
So we're we're using the same baseline
setup for the treatment of the waste

502
00:26:08,433 --> 00:26:09,834
for each alternative.

503
00:26:09,834 --> 00:26:12,003
And each alternative varies
in its ability to do that,

504
00:26:13,471 --> 00:26:14,472
if that makes sense.

505
00:26:14,472 --> 00:26:15,540
That helps a lot.

506
00:26:15,540 --> 00:26:17,075
But it's

507
00:26:17,075 --> 00:26:19,878
any other questions or.

508
00:26:19,878 --> 00:26:22,714
Okay, so I figured
this would be an interesting slide

509
00:26:22,714 --> 00:26:25,951
because we could start,
if you have further questions,

510
00:26:27,352 --> 00:26:28,620
not to move on.

511
00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:31,957
So just getting into a little bit
more on the recommended alternative

512
00:26:31,957 --> 00:26:36,027
alternative devices
and the biological area to deliver a bath.

513
00:26:36,494 --> 00:26:39,364
And this was selected,

514
00:26:39,364 --> 00:26:43,535
largely, due to its footprint
and ability

515
00:26:43,535 --> 00:26:47,105
to expand and a lot of the flexibility
with the operations.

516
00:26:47,739 --> 00:26:51,176
And it seems very specifically well-suited
for your site

517
00:26:51,176 --> 00:26:53,244
and the space limitations you have.

518
00:26:53,244 --> 00:26:56,247
So it's for the best
as far as using the site

519
00:26:56,348 --> 00:26:59,651
and being able to dedicate space
for future expansion.

520
00:26:59,951 --> 00:27:02,387
That's important in this process.

521
00:27:02,387 --> 00:27:05,857
There's also and you'll see in the next
figure with, some preliminary

522
00:27:05,857 --> 00:27:09,661
site, layouts that,
we have space allocation

523
00:27:09,661 --> 00:27:13,465
for future things that you might need,
and you could be more reactive

524
00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:16,468
to the future
with space on the site that you couldn't,

525
00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:20,705
choose what to do with, that includes
additional miles of storage.

526
00:27:20,705 --> 00:27:22,607
That can be tertiary treatment processes

527
00:27:22,607 --> 00:27:24,609
if you're having an even more stringent
limits.

528
00:27:24,609 --> 00:27:28,847
So, lots of benefits
as far as space consumption.

529
00:27:30,348 --> 00:27:33,418
You know, and and lastly, competitive
as far as capital

530
00:27:33,418 --> 00:27:36,655
and our costs, with the other
alternatives on the low end.

531
00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:40,625
So with all that in mind, you know,
this was identified as the best

532
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:43,662
alternative for your site in your needs.

533
00:27:44,763 --> 00:27:47,432
We have other facilities
we built that are, but,

534
00:27:47,432 --> 00:27:49,300
there's four other in the state.

535
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:52,771
So it's, it's a tried and true process
that's been around for 25 years.

536
00:27:52,804 --> 00:27:56,641
And it has worked well,
in with wastewater

537
00:27:56,641 --> 00:28:00,111
that's very similar to years, Northfield
probably the best example.

538
00:28:00,111 --> 00:28:03,114
And we took the opportunity to tour that.

539
00:28:03,314 --> 00:28:06,317
I think it was last year by this time,

540
00:28:06,751 --> 00:28:08,253
to, to see how it works. Right.

541
00:28:08,253 --> 00:28:08,720
Because we knew

542
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,424
this was going to be a competitive
alternative, with the space layout

543
00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:13,558
considerations. So,

544
00:28:15,093 --> 00:28:16,728
you know,

545
00:28:16,728 --> 00:28:19,964
it's difficult for, you know,
investing in something that's brand new.

546
00:28:19,964 --> 00:28:23,134
Either you're not going out on a level,
something that no one else has done

547
00:28:23,134 --> 00:28:26,137
before
is also an important aspect of this.

548
00:28:26,471 --> 00:28:28,506
And there's four other communities

549
00:28:28,506 --> 00:28:31,876
that are very similar to you
that have also built this structure,

550
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:37,048
and this will handle anything
proposed coming down from the LPC.

551
00:28:37,649 --> 00:28:40,318
Yeah. So not anything. Right.

552
00:28:40,318 --> 00:28:41,753
So as far as we know.

553
00:28:41,753 --> 00:28:44,489
Well that's right.
I mean anything that they're looking at.

554
00:28:44,489 --> 00:28:47,692
No. This land. Yes. Okay. Yeah.
Thank you.

555
00:28:48,093 --> 00:28:51,529
Particularly nitrogen and phosphorus
limits that you already have.

556
00:28:52,363 --> 00:28:53,198
If there's some you know

557
00:28:53,198 --> 00:28:56,367
I can't predict 20 years from now,
we're looking for three, right.

558
00:28:56,634 --> 00:29:00,739
But the big thing is having that space
to do stuff with later on,

559
00:29:00,772 --> 00:29:04,309
when you get more strategic urban
elements that are in a lot of our right.

560
00:29:04,809 --> 00:29:08,546
So this if, if we need to ask for a

561
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:12,817
I'm calling in the past
I know it's not that nitrogen right now

562
00:29:13,051 --> 00:29:16,921
will this handle
the more stringent criteria for nitrogen.

563
00:29:18,523 --> 00:29:19,357
Yeah.

564
00:29:19,357 --> 00:29:21,426
So they answer that.

565
00:29:21,426 --> 00:29:28,066
So like there has been at the, the state
regulatory levels, recent developments,

566
00:29:28,066 --> 00:29:33,037
even in the last week where they are,
pausing the nitrogen, regulation

567
00:29:33,037 --> 00:29:36,374
and water quality standards for now,
we don't know how long it's going to last

568
00:29:37,442 --> 00:29:38,176
to be next week.

569
00:29:38,176 --> 00:29:40,745
And I wonder
when we're going to pick it back up.

570
00:29:40,745 --> 00:29:43,982
So the solution is, is will receive
the nitrogen

571
00:29:43,982 --> 00:29:47,285
when that happens is,
I think, anyone's guess.

572
00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:50,288
It could be five years
out of ten years from now.

573
00:29:50,655 --> 00:29:53,191
But when that happens, it's going to drive

574
00:29:53,191 --> 00:29:56,194
what you need to do on that site. And,

575
00:29:57,195 --> 00:29:59,731
that process, can be suited.

576
00:29:59,731 --> 00:30:02,901
You could you could build it
and now or not remove nitrogen

577
00:30:03,334 --> 00:30:05,837
and then add on to it
later to remove the nitrogen.

578
00:30:05,837 --> 00:30:07,372
You could build it all now

579
00:30:07,372 --> 00:30:11,009
and then keep cells off line to be able
to dedicated for nitrogen later.

580
00:30:11,209 --> 00:30:13,044
There's some flexibility
with this alternative

581
00:30:13,044 --> 00:30:16,147
as well as it relates to the
margin that is important to

582
00:30:17,448 --> 00:30:18,283
ask your question.

583
00:30:18,283 --> 00:30:19,017
Yeah. Okay.

584
00:30:19,017 --> 00:30:22,187
And will it eliminate 100% of the nitrogen
or is that not

585
00:30:22,187 --> 00:30:25,190
possible? No.

586
00:30:25,223 --> 00:30:27,258
So the proposed limit that we got.

587
00:30:27,258 --> 00:30:32,697
So it's part of the effluent limit request
that we had to the PCA, is important

588
00:30:32,697 --> 00:30:36,367
because we wanted it to have them tell us,
okay, what are we looking at in the next

589
00:30:36,534 --> 00:30:37,635
five years?

590
00:30:37,635 --> 00:30:40,939
Is a 7.7mg/l.

591
00:30:40,939 --> 00:30:41,372
It's pretty.

592
00:30:41,372 --> 00:30:44,042
All this process can be removed
below that.

593
00:30:44,042 --> 00:30:47,879
It will not 100%, but permit regulations

594
00:30:47,912 --> 00:30:50,915
that require, you know, 100.

595
00:30:53,751 --> 00:30:55,653
You know, since

596
00:30:55,653 --> 00:30:58,623
I think we're good.

597
00:30:59,757 --> 00:31:00,925
I’m alreay going long aren’t I?

598
00:31:00,925 --> 00:31:01,593
So sorry.

599
00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:08,433
So I will try to do some of this stuff
along with the other questions.

600
00:31:08,433 --> 00:31:09,067
Yeah.

601
00:31:09,067 --> 00:31:12,070
This is the proposed site
layout that we came up with.

602
00:31:12,303 --> 00:31:14,572
I mean, you can see the stuff in
the red is important.

603
00:31:14,572 --> 00:31:17,709
That's existing infrastructure
that we would either reuse or repurpose.

604
00:31:18,243 --> 00:31:22,347
So that's a lot of, infrastructure
that would save money, versus a

605
00:31:22,947 --> 00:31:25,950
alternative set on
which you would have to build all the new,

606
00:31:26,184 --> 00:31:30,088
and then on the blue,
I mean, the structure is, is new.

607
00:31:30,488 --> 00:31:33,358
The back process would be on
the east side

608
00:31:33,358 --> 00:31:36,361
there
with some of those little, square cells.

609
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:40,231
And then, in the middle,
you have some additional clarifiers

610
00:31:40,498 --> 00:31:43,501
pumping and, biosolids to water.

611
00:31:43,801 --> 00:31:45,937
So that actually we've done that before.

612
00:31:45,937 --> 00:31:47,972
We're also going to be building one.
Building two.

613
00:31:47,972 --> 00:31:50,308
Those are all buildings, that you build,

614
00:31:51,276 --> 00:31:52,744
you know, and the other thing,

615
00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:56,314
that's important to, to look at with
this is the space for future.

616
00:31:56,314 --> 00:32:00,551
So it's a little tough to see,
but there's a black dotted, area now

617
00:32:00,551 --> 00:32:03,554
where we see that there's space allocation
for future things.

618
00:32:04,656 --> 00:32:06,224
And in multiple different spots.

619
00:32:06,224 --> 00:32:09,594
There's other alternatives
where the whole site is just to clean up

620
00:32:09,627 --> 00:32:11,796
by what you would have to build on day
one. Right.

621
00:32:11,796 --> 00:32:14,098
And there was no possibility for this.

622
00:32:14,098 --> 00:32:17,101
This alternative gives you,
additional space.

623
00:32:18,136 --> 00:32:18,836
I have a question.

624
00:32:18,836 --> 00:32:21,839
How do you how do you do the construction
on something like this

625
00:32:22,106 --> 00:32:24,042
and keep the existing plant running?

626
00:32:24,042 --> 00:32:25,109
Great question.

627
00:32:25,109 --> 00:32:28,980
Yeah, that's another,
advantage of this alternative is that,

628
00:32:30,114 --> 00:32:34,152
you can, you know, currently
a good chunk of the existing plant

629
00:32:34,352 --> 00:32:36,988
currently doesn't do much, actually,
the intermediate,

630
00:32:36,988 --> 00:32:40,291
pumping station in the clarifiers
is in the RBC process.

631
00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:44,095
Could
all be taken offline and effectively.

632
00:32:44,095 --> 00:32:48,466
That doesn't really change, with what
you're producing out there at the moment.

633
00:32:48,466 --> 00:32:52,503
And so this this alternative allows you
to keep your trickling filters online

634
00:32:52,503 --> 00:32:54,505
during construction,
which would be needed.

635
00:32:54,505 --> 00:32:58,076
And then, you would build this
infrastructure and get it up and running.

636
00:32:58,343 --> 00:33:02,513
And then you would have to go back
and deposit filters later.

637
00:33:02,547 --> 00:33:04,983
So it's important to keep the process up
and running.

638
00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:09,153
And, you know, the smaller footprint is
is an advantage because it allows

639
00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,123
you more flexibility
to keep more stuff online.

640
00:33:13,458 --> 00:33:14,759
How would this do?

641
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:17,762
We have a storage issue right now
the solids.

642
00:33:17,895 --> 00:33:19,864
Yeah this is taking more solids out.

643
00:33:19,864 --> 00:33:23,701
Or how does this compare to what we,

644
00:33:23,701 --> 00:33:27,071
we would project and more solids
production in this process.

645
00:33:27,472 --> 00:33:29,941
It's removing more waste lagoons. Right.

646
00:33:29,941 --> 00:33:32,543
Little more efficiencies and it's rules.

647
00:33:32,543 --> 00:33:34,545
Therefore you generate
a little more waste.

648
00:33:34,545 --> 00:33:38,282
So the other good thing about this
alternative,

649
00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:43,521
is that it's completely repurposing your,
digestion complex there.

650
00:33:43,521 --> 00:33:47,692
It's that, building in the red,
to the west side of the site.

651
00:33:47,792 --> 00:33:50,395
There's multiple enforcer roles.

652
00:33:50,395 --> 00:33:55,500
So what we would propose is building new
primary clarifiers for the Baff system,

653
00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:59,837
and he would convert your existing primary
clarifies that have some complications.

654
00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:02,673
So I would say they're obsolete
at this point in that design.

655
00:34:02,673 --> 00:34:05,276
We would convert that
to your actual sludge storage.

656
00:34:05,276 --> 00:34:11,182
Now you really don't have so you'd have,
something like, I think 700,000

657
00:34:11,315 --> 00:34:16,621
or more gallons of additional sludge
storage with its primary clarifiers.

658
00:34:17,021 --> 00:34:19,390
And then the digesters
would also be converted

659
00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:23,194
into the rolling process
and also used for additional storage

660
00:34:23,461 --> 00:34:26,731
so that that whole complex system
do it in two different things.

661
00:34:27,031 --> 00:34:30,034
Is now
all dedicated to biosolids through land.

662
00:34:30,168 --> 00:34:33,671
And in that space,
just to the west of that,

663
00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,607
could be dedicated for future storage.

664
00:34:36,607 --> 00:34:37,141
You know, one thing

665
00:34:37,141 --> 00:34:40,645
operators do, like, is a whole years
worth of biosolids storage.

666
00:34:41,012 --> 00:34:43,114
Right now,
you probably wouldn't have that.

667
00:34:43,114 --> 00:34:45,083
Probably more like 180 days.

668
00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:48,386
But there would be space to do a little
more if you wanted or needed.

669
00:34:54,926 --> 00:34:57,929
Any questions?

670
00:35:00,932 --> 00:35:03,301
Getting in to another interesting slide.

671
00:35:03,301 --> 00:35:05,570
So let's talk costs.

672
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:07,505
User costs.

673
00:35:07,505 --> 00:35:11,709
So estimated capital costs at $142
million.

674
00:35:11,709 --> 00:35:16,747
Obviously not a small price to, we do,
you know, a basic financing analysis.

675
00:35:16,747 --> 00:35:18,349
This is not a user rate analysis.

676
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:22,553
This is to get you in the ballpark,
per year

677
00:35:22,687 --> 00:35:25,623
or equivalent residential unit of what?

678
00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:28,292
The improvements
would ultimately cost the community.

679
00:35:28,292 --> 00:35:31,829
So we make some assumptions on, you know,

680
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:35,600
amortization, 2.5% interest rate, 20 year
loan term.

681
00:35:35,833 --> 00:35:41,539
So capital improvements, average
that emerges EIS is $9.1 million per year.

682
00:35:41,539 --> 00:35:45,476
You add your own, and our expense
on top of that at roughly 6 million

683
00:35:45,843 --> 00:35:48,579
or the $15 million in mean

684
00:35:48,579 --> 00:35:51,582
you would need to pass it on
to your users.

685
00:35:51,616 --> 00:35:54,552
This assumes
no grain financing to cover any of that.

686
00:35:54,552 --> 00:35:54,852
Right?

687
00:35:54,852 --> 00:35:59,023
So looking at kind of the worst case
scenario condition here, you know, you

688
00:35:59,023 --> 00:36:03,828
would be we'll talk on the next slide,
but eligible for multiple grant, funds.

689
00:36:04,829 --> 00:36:06,297
But anyway,

690
00:36:06,297 --> 00:36:09,667
to make the comparison here,
your current monthly average sewer bill,

691
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,338
based on 600 cubic feet or roughly
4500 gallons per month,

692
00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:17,708
it is $48 a month for the average user.

693
00:36:19,443 --> 00:36:20,945
The affordability threshold.

694
00:36:20,945 --> 00:36:23,748
So this is what the state uses
to determine the grant.

695
00:36:23,748 --> 00:36:27,585
Eligibility is taken
as 1.4% of your median

696
00:36:27,585 --> 00:36:31,022
household income,
based on your current, average.

697
00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:34,192
My, that would be up to about $76 a month.

698
00:36:34,659 --> 00:36:39,497
Means that you would need to raise
your rates up to $76 a month

699
00:36:39,897 --> 00:36:44,202
in order to access affordability
based grant that we'll talk about

700
00:36:44,669 --> 00:36:48,372
as one part of the money that you would
access to pay for, as in structure.

701
00:36:49,307 --> 00:36:51,642
So you need to show the state

702
00:36:51,642 --> 00:36:54,712
that you are raising your rates
to accommodate this debt service.

703
00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:56,347
And then the past a certain point,

704
00:36:56,347 --> 00:36:59,350
you will become eligible
for other parts of the money,

705
00:36:59,817 --> 00:37:02,987
to take the worst case
scenario as a comparison there.

706
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:07,458
So if you did all the improvements
with no grant financing whatsoever,

707
00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:13,664
you would be looking at about $180
a month per residential user,

708
00:37:14,165 --> 00:37:19,170
versus the $48 that they currently
pay the 200 plus percent increase.

709
00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:19,470
Right.

710
00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:22,707
So the goal within an financing scenario
is that,

711
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:27,011
any dollars that the project generates

712
00:37:27,144 --> 00:37:31,582
over your affordability threshold, you're
wanting to, you know, cover that, right?

713
00:37:31,582 --> 00:37:34,685
You know, if the state says you can afford
1.4%, that's what

714
00:37:35,453 --> 00:37:37,355
you don't want to pay
more than that, right?

715
00:37:37,355 --> 00:37:42,126
So that's where the grant, programs
can keep getting that little,

716
00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:45,529
let's do that.

717
00:37:45,529 --> 00:37:48,366
So haven't we been increasing the rates

718
00:37:48,366 --> 00:37:51,369
to be able to do this where we, frankly,

719
00:37:51,535 --> 00:37:54,338
so that a $48 increase in your Kelsey,

720
00:37:54,338 --> 00:37:57,341
which is understandably in

721
00:37:58,342 --> 00:38:00,111
person,

722
00:38:00,111 --> 00:38:03,681
that's our 2025 fee schedule for that $40.

723
00:38:03,981 --> 00:38:07,918
We're proposing another 6% increase
for 2026.

724
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,088
We are in the process of redoing

725
00:38:11,088 --> 00:38:14,492
our rate study at this time, to see where
we're at.

726
00:38:14,492 --> 00:38:17,361
Then. Okay. Thank you.

727
00:38:17,361 --> 00:38:21,899
And since 2020, increasing the rates
from 6% a year to try to get us closer

728
00:38:21,899 --> 00:38:26,370
to that affordability threshold,
planning for these major improvements.

729
00:38:26,737 --> 00:38:29,140
Perfect. Thanks for that.

730
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:30,841
Yeah. It's not an uncommon rate.

731
00:38:30,841 --> 00:38:32,176
I mean, your rates are still

732
00:38:32,176 --> 00:38:35,079
I would call a relatively low
compared to other communities.

733
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,249
That's one slide
I forgot to add is maybe a comparison

734
00:38:38,249 --> 00:38:39,383
to where other folks are paying.

735
00:38:39,383 --> 00:38:43,487
But essentially any community
that does a large infrastructure project

736
00:38:43,487 --> 00:38:46,624
ends up paying up to their affordability
or a little higher.

737
00:38:46,991 --> 00:38:50,194
You know, so, you know, usually
when you see communities with lower rates,

738
00:38:50,194 --> 00:38:53,698
just because they haven't done a project
in a long time, they're do free.

739
00:38:53,731 --> 00:38:58,102
So, you know, $76 is not
you know, it's a lot of money, right?

740
00:38:58,469 --> 00:39:00,037
That's not you know, it's not nothing.

741
00:39:00,037 --> 00:39:00,304
Right.

742
00:39:00,304 --> 00:39:03,441
But, you know, that's
what the state thinks is affordable,

743
00:39:03,441 --> 00:39:06,444
based
on where you're at in the community.

744
00:39:06,844 --> 00:39:09,914
So what what percentage of projects

745
00:39:11,215 --> 00:39:14,151
get the grant money to, to keep it in 76?

746
00:39:14,151 --> 00:39:16,921
In our case, $76.40.

747
00:39:16,921 --> 00:39:19,623
It's a yeah, it's a ballpark.

748
00:39:19,623 --> 00:39:21,425
It's a competitive scoring process.

749
00:39:21,425 --> 00:39:23,494
So we'll talk more about the funding.

750
00:39:23,494 --> 00:39:28,632
But you get to submit and, your project
to be placed on the project priority list

751
00:39:28,632 --> 00:39:32,436
within the clean water revolving Funds
and within Public Facilities Authority.

752
00:39:32,703 --> 00:39:35,906
And then you become on a list of,
you know, 4 or 500 projects

753
00:39:35,906 --> 00:39:38,909
that you're competing with
for the same pot of money.

754
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,113
You know, if you have project needs
that are over your 40 million,

755
00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:44,081
you are eligible for that money.

756
00:39:44,081 --> 00:39:48,719
There's that that's, you know,
within certain it's just whether or not

757
00:39:48,753 --> 00:39:54,358
a legislature appropriates,
a lot of money to cover, state's needs.

758
00:39:54,358 --> 00:39:58,462
And if your project is ranked high enough
and that a dotted line is below

759
00:39:58,462 --> 00:40:02,400
or you're listed and you were eligible
to receive that money, and usually it is

760
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,235
claimed to be a waiting game.

761
00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:07,238
And the key here
is positioning the project.

762
00:40:07,571 --> 00:40:10,107
So you're in a spot on that list
where and when

763
00:40:10,107 --> 00:40:13,110
that money is available,
you're able to utilize it and strike.

764
00:40:15,346 --> 00:40:17,948
And then as part of our contract
with both Bolten Menk that you're

765
00:40:17,948 --> 00:40:21,018
helping us again with the funding
and the grants in that process.

766
00:40:21,018 --> 00:40:23,120
Yeah, that's that's what we do.

767
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,688
We have a dedicated funding team.

768
00:40:24,688 --> 00:40:28,259
That's all they do
is help with these types of, programs.

769
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:31,862
You know, I would say, you know, I'm
a little bit, I guess, is that,

770
00:40:31,962 --> 00:40:36,734
you know, to,
to make you know, our company has by far

771
00:40:36,767 --> 00:40:40,037
the most, coverage
as far as aid programs in the state.

772
00:40:40,504 --> 00:40:44,341
You know, so we're very well versed in
and these programs

773
00:40:44,341 --> 00:40:45,142
are not to get you money.

774
00:40:45,142 --> 00:40:47,978
So that's definitely something
we will be helping with

775
00:40:47,978 --> 00:40:51,182
and have been helping with
in other projects, including, the tennis

776
00:40:51,715 --> 00:40:55,019
station and, drinking revolving fund money

777
00:40:55,352 --> 00:40:58,522
that I think is being processed here
shortly, for approvals.

778
00:40:59,056 --> 00:41:01,625
And the Soren's Bluff project as well.

779
00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:03,093
It got some EPA grant dollars.

780
00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:04,695
So we help with all that.

781
00:41:05,863 --> 00:41:08,866
Thank you.

782
00:41:11,268 --> 00:41:13,437
So a little bit more on the funding.

783
00:41:13,437 --> 00:41:15,439
So obviously the
the goal here is to make sure

784
00:41:15,439 --> 00:41:17,241
project is affordable for the community.

785
00:41:17,241 --> 00:41:22,413
So, you know, another piece of this is
if you can implement projects in phases

786
00:41:22,413 --> 00:41:25,516
that can be helpful to break off
chunks of it because you could be

787
00:41:25,516 --> 00:41:28,586
you can have multiple phases
of eligibility for some of these programs.

788
00:41:29,353 --> 00:41:32,022
So, you know,
with the nature of the improvements

789
00:41:32,022 --> 00:41:33,357
you're looking at, you probably looking at

790
00:41:33,357 --> 00:41:36,494
maybe up to three projects
that we've talked about with city staff.

791
00:41:36,927 --> 00:41:37,261
You know what?

792
00:41:37,261 --> 00:41:38,796
What we didn't talk
a lot of the details as well.

793
00:41:38,796 --> 00:41:40,264
Look at the baked in those cost estimates.

794
00:41:40,264 --> 00:41:41,699
But there is work at the main

795
00:41:41,699 --> 00:41:44,835
limitation that we would have,
you know, 4 to $5 million.

796
00:41:44,835 --> 00:41:49,540
There's a sewer line project at the Levee
Park, to address any issues.

797
00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:51,542
And then there's the wastewater
planning improvements.

798
00:41:51,542 --> 00:41:54,745
I would expect if there's
three solid projects out of here.

799
00:41:55,012 --> 00:41:58,449
You know, within the hundred
and 42 million that you saw.

800
00:41:59,617 --> 00:42:02,152
So funding opportunities, like we talked,

801
00:42:02,152 --> 00:42:06,857
the, the PFA, that the Public Facilities
Authority is the, government program.

802
00:42:06,857 --> 00:42:10,361
They repairs, these programs.

803
00:42:10,361 --> 00:42:13,397
So a lot of revolving fund
is, is launched.

804
00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:14,832
Oh interest loan program.

805
00:42:14,832 --> 00:42:17,902
So they offer 20 to 30 year, loan terms.

806
00:42:17,902 --> 00:42:21,171
Right now, interest rates
are usually hovering in that 2 to 3%.

807
00:42:21,872 --> 00:42:24,842
So we would have to that percentage to,

808
00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:28,546
cultivate some of the, the cost.

809
00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:32,082
The other programs here we're getting into
the grants is the point

810
00:42:32,082 --> 00:42:33,617
sources and implementation grants.

811
00:42:33,617 --> 00:42:35,786
So that's that program specifically.

812
00:42:35,786 --> 00:42:40,658
There for if a community gets
a more stringent limit, like nitrogen,

813
00:42:40,658 --> 00:42:46,630
for instance, you would likely be eligible
to dip it into this program.

814
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:48,465
You know, it's the same thing. Okay.

815
00:42:48,465 --> 00:42:49,733
You need to be a nitrogen limit.

816
00:42:49,733 --> 00:42:52,703
And you go, okay, well,
you tell us, do this.

817
00:42:52,703 --> 00:42:54,338
You need money to do it.

818
00:42:54,338 --> 00:42:55,606
That's what those programs for us,

819
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,342
the thing the legislature did

820
00:42:58,342 --> 00:43:01,345
pass higher caps on these programs,

821
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,815
which can be a double edged sword because,
you know,

822
00:43:04,815 --> 00:43:07,851
that means the projects at the very top
are eligible for even more money.

823
00:43:07,851 --> 00:43:11,221
And maybe that dotted line,
calls that up a list, a little bit

824
00:43:11,622 --> 00:43:14,525
if, if less projects,
you know, more of the, the bonds.

825
00:43:14,525 --> 00:43:19,363
But, overall, you know, it's a good thing
that you're able to access more money

826
00:43:19,363 --> 00:43:22,399
through leasing, potentially
up to $12 million, which I wouldn't

827
00:43:22,866 --> 00:43:26,403
be fully eligible for based on the major
improvements that we're talking about.

828
00:43:26,971 --> 00:43:29,573
The other one is the water infrastructure

829
00:43:29,573 --> 00:43:32,910
fund or with that's the affordability
based grant program.

830
00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:37,615
So as soon as you hit that affordability
threshold or higher on your debt service

831
00:43:37,815 --> 00:43:41,852
for the project, that's where a grant like
this can kick in up to $10 million,

832
00:43:41,852 --> 00:43:44,989
which you would be eligible
for based on the cost estimating.

833
00:43:44,989 --> 00:43:49,293
So, you know, I fully expect
you're eligible for $22 million

834
00:43:49,293 --> 00:43:50,494
between those two programs.

835
00:43:50,494 --> 00:43:53,063
Based on what we're talking about today.

836
00:43:53,063 --> 00:43:56,133
The real challenge
is actually getting access to those funds

837
00:43:56,133 --> 00:43:59,403
and and position yourself to be,
in the driver's

838
00:43:59,403 --> 00:44:01,805
seat to get it all sponsored
and competitive in other projects.

839
00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:04,808
So that's where you got to, you know,

840
00:44:05,342 --> 00:44:07,645
be shovel ready, essentially.

841
00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:10,214
And, and show that you're making efforts

842
00:44:10,214 --> 00:44:13,217
towards, you know, doing the project.

843
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:17,821
And there's other grants and funds
available for us besides those two.

844
00:44:18,288 --> 00:44:22,226
Those are the two major programs
within the Public Facilities Authority.

845
00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:24,928
The other ones that were on this list.

846
00:44:24,928 --> 00:44:28,932
Here are the special appropriations
program set that funding, that's,

847
00:44:29,967 --> 00:44:33,003
direct bonding requests
that you could make to the legislature,

848
00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:37,307
to be named in a bonding bill
for a requested amount of grant.

849
00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:40,678
And then there's federal funding
that we could go after.

850
00:44:40,978 --> 00:44:44,181
Potentially,

851
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:47,618
so you can USDA

852
00:44:47,618 --> 00:44:50,821
is the typical, federal funding source.

853
00:44:50,854 --> 00:44:53,590
You're actually too big to qualify
under that program.

854
00:44:53,590 --> 00:44:57,928
That would be part of the tried and true
federal sources throughout,

855
00:44:57,928 --> 00:45:03,200
through the feds, which has a grant alone
that has a 10,000 population cap.

856
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,904
So, you actually wouldn't be eligible
for USDA funding in this case?

857
00:45:07,337 --> 00:45:09,273
Trying to rack my brain.

858
00:45:09,273 --> 00:45:11,875
I don't I'm probably missing something.

859
00:45:11,875 --> 00:45:14,878
I could get that. Thanks. Yeah.

860
00:45:15,512 --> 00:45:18,449
So it's about funding.

861
00:45:18,449 --> 00:45:22,986
That's a big one where, you know, often
you can do the math on the project.

862
00:45:22,986 --> 00:45:26,056
Costs, subtract off the grant eligibility
that you would expect

863
00:45:26,056 --> 00:45:30,027
through points, sources with programs,
and then you get,

864
00:45:30,127 --> 00:45:33,363
you know, maybe a pot of money that you're
still above your affordability.

865
00:45:33,363 --> 00:45:37,434
That's where, you know, every request for
that makes sense

866
00:45:37,434 --> 00:45:41,572
and is pretty defensible, you know,
with those that is competitive, right?

867
00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:45,476
I mean, you know, not everyone gets
direct, appropriation every year.

868
00:45:45,476 --> 00:45:47,745
All these requests don't, get approved.

869
00:45:47,745 --> 00:45:52,182
So you get to come up with a good
narrative, right as a community, as a

870
00:45:52,483 --> 00:45:57,821
as it's been a very well run on this is
you haven't had to rely on other programs.

871
00:45:57,821 --> 00:45:59,523
You don't have any existing debt right

872
00:45:59,523 --> 00:46:03,060
now, and you're taking care of the needs
of this project long term.

873
00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:04,461
Well, that's a pretty good story.

874
00:46:04,461 --> 00:46:08,165
You also have a lot of industry
involvement is supported by this plan.

875
00:46:08,532 --> 00:46:11,201
And,
you know, there's a growing community

876
00:46:11,201 --> 00:46:14,104
and input room to grow,
you know, as another community

877
00:46:14,104 --> 00:46:17,841
wants to come over the wastewater towards
you and be a customer of Red Wing.

878
00:46:17,908 --> 00:46:19,409
You could potentially accommodate that.

879
00:46:19,409 --> 00:46:21,879
So and those are all things
like can get it

880
00:46:21,879 --> 00:46:25,749
baked into the narrative of trying
to get those right appropriate as well as

881
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:27,918
we help with the application.

882
00:46:27,918 --> 00:46:30,921
So we work with you guys on

883
00:46:31,021 --> 00:46:34,858
lastly a couple other minor ones.

884
00:46:34,858 --> 00:46:36,827
You a climate resiliency grant.

885
00:46:36,827 --> 00:46:39,229
There's some money out there
that could be eligible.

886
00:46:39,229 --> 00:46:43,901
So we're in a small practice and a green
project that involved in support of.

887
00:46:43,901 --> 00:46:48,138
So basically incorporating green elements
into the into the design

888
00:46:48,138 --> 00:46:51,141
that can can cost
to, to do those things but

889
00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:54,044
also open up some grant eligibility.

890
00:46:54,044 --> 00:46:56,313
Those are smaller chunks.

891
00:46:56,313 --> 00:46:59,316
Usually that's considered

892
00:47:01,785 --> 00:47:04,788
you know, the questions that are funding.

893
00:47:07,524 --> 00:47:09,193
Yeah.

894
00:47:09,193 --> 00:47:11,061
Mr. mayor, council member staff.

895
00:47:11,061 --> 00:47:13,163
Thank you. Brian Helgardner.

896
00:47:13,163 --> 00:47:15,933
I did want to mention that we again,
to brag a little bit.

897
00:47:15,933 --> 00:47:18,001
We do have a very robust,

898
00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:21,371
dedicated following team
that will look at every avenue out there.

899
00:47:21,772 --> 00:47:25,876
We have worked, on multiple projects
in the past to city staff, and,

900
00:47:25,876 --> 00:47:29,012
and we've been successful on Main Street,
other projects to lift station.

901
00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:32,149
There's a lot of things out there
that we have been successful on,

902
00:47:32,149 --> 00:47:34,618
and we will continue
to look at every afternoon out there.

903
00:47:34,618 --> 00:47:37,087
We also have a lobbyist on staff now.

904
00:47:37,087 --> 00:47:40,424
So we certainly would be able to help
with any lobbying, things like that.

905
00:47:40,757 --> 00:47:44,461
I know there's been some concern over
some of the regionalization

906
00:47:44,461 --> 00:47:48,131
that's going on out there,
but we at this point are,

907
00:47:48,131 --> 00:47:51,935
in a spot where they're not
necessarily ahead of the game on that.

908
00:47:51,935 --> 00:47:53,103
They're there to talk about it.

909
00:47:53,103 --> 00:47:56,106
But there's not been an actual plan
on how to document.

910
00:47:56,206 --> 00:47:59,810
We're actually sitting in a pretty good
spot or the city sitting in a good spot

911
00:48:00,043 --> 00:48:00,844
right now.

912
00:48:00,844 --> 00:48:04,014
I think it is important
to, to what Jake said about,

913
00:48:04,014 --> 00:48:07,084
forwarding as much of the project
as you can and getting a shovel ready.

914
00:48:07,618 --> 00:48:10,153
So getting your borings,
getting your design, getting your things,

915
00:48:10,153 --> 00:48:10,921
kind of some of that up.

916
00:48:10,921 --> 00:48:13,924
Pretty stuff ahead of time done,

917
00:48:13,957 --> 00:48:17,361
I think at that point
you will fully be in the driver's seat.

918
00:48:17,361 --> 00:48:19,796
I don't think there is any concern over
that regionalization.

919
00:48:19,796 --> 00:48:24,001
So, I just want to mention that again,
because that's a major component, right?

920
00:48:24,001 --> 00:48:24,935
The cost is pretty low.

921
00:48:24,935 --> 00:48:28,472
You look at it and say, oh,
wow, that's a lot of money.

922
00:48:28,472 --> 00:48:29,273
And it is.

923
00:48:29,273 --> 00:48:30,941
So let's try to do it all down.

924
00:48:30,941 --> 00:48:33,610
And I think we can certainly
all of this, I just want to

925
00:48:34,611 --> 00:48:37,614
thank you.

926
00:48:38,982 --> 00:48:40,717
Last night it took about 50 minutes.

927
00:48:40,717 --> 00:48:43,086
So sorry.

928
00:48:43,086 --> 00:48:46,089
So just getting into lastly
project schedule.

929
00:48:46,089 --> 00:48:48,025
What are the timelines here?

930
00:48:48,025 --> 00:48:51,795
So the facility plan,
we finished here in October.

931
00:48:51,795 --> 00:48:53,130
It's in draft form.

932
00:48:53,130 --> 00:48:55,832
So there's a little bit of work to do
with,

933
00:48:55,832 --> 00:48:58,902
to add some of those PCA forms
for the project priority

934
00:48:58,902 --> 00:49:02,072
list applications that will enable
that as you get on the funding list.

935
00:49:02,105 --> 00:49:05,709
I look at the thing, we're here today
at the council workshop talking about it,

936
00:49:05,709 --> 00:49:09,479
and then ultimately on the public
hearing will need to be, scheduled,

937
00:49:10,113 --> 00:49:12,516
as part of the facility
with that approval process,

938
00:49:12,516 --> 00:49:16,286
along with the council resolution
to adopt this plan

939
00:49:16,653 --> 00:49:20,557
and, you know, we'll talk with staff
about what is the best time to do that.

940
00:49:20,557 --> 00:49:24,661
But any time between essentially December
and February, you can do that for

941
00:49:25,028 --> 00:49:29,433
the facility plan needs to be submitted
to the PCA by March 6th of 2026.

942
00:49:29,666 --> 00:49:32,869
So we are ahead of the game
as far as the season goes.

943
00:49:33,337 --> 00:49:36,873
So the other piece is the funding.

944
00:49:36,873 --> 00:49:40,944
So, the the IEP submittal is due
June of next year

945
00:49:40,944 --> 00:49:42,946
and we will help with that
and get that submitted.

946
00:49:42,946 --> 00:49:46,416
And that puts you on the list
for competitive scoring and placement.

947
00:49:46,416 --> 00:49:49,553
And I ultimately get it
published in the fall of each year.

948
00:49:49,553 --> 00:49:52,923
So you'll see where you rank, likely

949
00:49:52,923 --> 00:49:55,892
in October or November of 2026.

950
00:49:56,126 --> 00:49:59,129
And that helps you kind of start

951
00:49:59,129 --> 00:50:02,432
the decision making process
and some of these other things. So,

952
00:50:03,934 --> 00:50:04,468
and then these

953
00:50:04,468 --> 00:50:07,437
requests
are typically odd number of years.

954
00:50:07,437 --> 00:50:10,340
I say typically
because that what's used to be normal

955
00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:15,078
and I don't know that there's anything
normal anymore, a bonding bill was passed

956
00:50:15,078 --> 00:50:18,815
earlier this year and a number of years,
and it's only an even number of years.

957
00:50:18,815 --> 00:50:23,253
But, you know, we are on top of those,
regular requests.

958
00:50:23,653 --> 00:50:27,524
You know, if there's some new exhibit next
year, you know, we will help with that.

959
00:50:27,824 --> 00:50:29,526
But formally,
it would be a number of years.

960
00:50:29,526 --> 00:50:34,164
So as early as ‘27,
and then, like Brian said,

961
00:50:35,365 --> 00:50:36,900
there's no benefit in waiting.

962
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:38,301
It's a lose. Lose to wait.

963
00:50:38,301 --> 00:50:42,639
You're prolonging, the construction rate,
which has only go up

964
00:50:43,006 --> 00:50:46,576
and and you're not actively positioning
yourself,

965
00:50:46,576 --> 00:50:50,347
to be in the driver's seat for some of
some of the funding opportunities.

966
00:50:50,347 --> 00:50:54,351
So there's no benefit in waiting
to, begin design.

967
00:50:54,418 --> 00:50:57,988
You know, you can get going on this
on a little seminary, desires next year.

968
00:50:58,355 --> 00:51:01,358
And then position yourself to get plans

969
00:51:01,525 --> 00:51:03,360
submitted in, in the final design
later on.

970
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:08,398
So, you know, the message is don't wait,
because there is no benefit to doing that.

971
00:51:08,832 --> 00:51:13,170
And then lastly, construction,
you know, once you are, once you convert,

972
00:51:13,170 --> 00:51:16,173
when you receive all that funding
that you need to make it affordable.

973
00:51:16,673 --> 00:51:19,142
You're talking about probably a three year
construction

974
00:51:19,142 --> 00:51:22,145
project out in a wastewater
plant by itself.

975
00:51:22,212 --> 00:51:27,751
So best case scenario, you know,
you get on those funding lists next fall,

976
00:51:27,851 --> 00:51:31,655
you make a request potentially in 27,

977
00:51:32,122 --> 00:51:35,192
you work on design elements
over the next two years,

978
00:51:35,192 --> 00:51:37,094
you know, your positioning yourself for,

979
00:51:37,094 --> 00:51:40,130
construction project again
as early as 2028,

980
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:45,836
with the completion of something
like 2031, you know, if there's delays in

981
00:51:45,836 --> 00:51:49,606
receiving that funding, which are typical,
can take years to secure the funding.

982
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,242
You know, that's
where we're showing a little more, or,

983
00:51:52,242 --> 00:51:54,344
you know, a wider range
for that construction phase,

984
00:51:54,344 --> 00:51:59,282
because you're not going to proceed
with the project until, you know,

985
00:51:59,316 --> 00:52:00,183
you have the funding.

986
00:52:00,183 --> 00:52:02,886
We probably then the funding.

987
00:52:02,886 --> 00:52:06,423
So key goals is be proactive
in the position in funding opportunities,

988
00:52:06,823 --> 00:52:10,994
the years, implement these projects
in a manner that implements

989
00:52:10,994 --> 00:52:15,465
it immediately and to me is very
critical in this process. So

990
00:52:17,434 --> 00:52:19,102
the ahead

991
00:52:19,102 --> 00:52:21,605
I want immediate questions. There we go.

992
00:52:21,605 --> 00:52:24,241
How much design is going to cost to design

993
00:52:24,241 --> 00:52:27,244
and approximate.

994
00:52:28,345 --> 00:52:29,012
Great question.

995
00:52:29,012 --> 00:52:31,515
I don't know, I we're not that far,
I guess, you know,

996
00:52:31,515 --> 00:52:34,885
part of that we'll,
we'll put together a proposal,

997
00:52:34,885 --> 00:52:38,255
and work with staff on that to identify
what that scope in a few years.

998
00:52:38,889 --> 00:52:41,892
You know, if you go back to.

999
00:52:43,593 --> 00:52:46,396
Soft costs so that 18.5%,

1000
00:52:46,396 --> 00:52:49,366
you know, includes a lot of things,
includes all the preliminary engineering

1001
00:52:49,366 --> 00:52:52,502
or geotechnical work and includes
the facility plan and includes

1002
00:52:52,502 --> 00:52:57,941
engineering design, you know, so
when it's all said and done, and so cost

1003
00:52:58,041 --> 00:53:01,044
like engineering or looking at an 18.5 or

1004
00:53:01,444 --> 00:53:04,848
so, the 142 as of now is turnkey.

1005
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:09,019
132 million is

1006
00:53:09,019 --> 00:53:11,421
you hand is the keys
and everything is done.

1007
00:53:11,421 --> 00:53:13,957
Yeah. That includes without inflation.

1008
00:53:13,957 --> 00:53:17,494
That included a $2,025
with a 20% contingency.

1009
00:53:17,494 --> 00:53:20,463
So thank you. Yep.

1010
00:53:20,463 --> 00:53:24,034
Thank you Joe I've got two different time
things that I'm curious about.

1011
00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:28,972
So, when you were talking about

1012
00:53:28,972 --> 00:53:31,908
it's standard to have delays
and so on and so forth.

1013
00:53:31,908 --> 00:53:35,045
I heard
you also talk a lot about 20 years,

1014
00:53:35,512 --> 00:53:38,515
and then I heard that, you know, the

1015
00:53:38,648 --> 00:53:41,451
the plan was built in the 60s.

1016
00:53:41,451 --> 00:53:44,454
And, you know, whenever I've gone
through there, it's like a horror film.

1017
00:53:44,654 --> 00:53:46,556
Know how y'all do it?

1018
00:53:46,556 --> 00:53:49,559
So I'm curious, is there

1019
00:53:50,293 --> 00:53:52,395
is there wiggle room in
what we're doing right now

1020
00:53:52,395 --> 00:53:56,700
for those potential delays that are that
may or may or may not happen?

1021
00:53:58,201 --> 00:54:00,704
I mean, help, help me understand that

1022
00:54:00,704 --> 00:54:03,139
it's you're still functional,
you're still working.

1023
00:54:03,139 --> 00:54:04,674
Right. And it needs to be done.

1024
00:54:04,674 --> 00:54:06,376
And there is no kicking
the can down the road.

1025
00:54:06,376 --> 00:54:08,511
Understand all of that.

1026
00:54:08,511 --> 00:54:12,849
And if there are
I mean, talk me about that.

1027
00:54:12,849 --> 00:54:16,419
You just said the word delay kind
of a lot of flags went off in my head.

1028
00:54:16,419 --> 00:54:18,755
Yeah, I mean that that's a risk, right?

1029
00:54:18,755 --> 00:54:22,058
I mean the delays
you can't really help, right?

1030
00:54:22,058 --> 00:54:25,862
I mean, you're waiting around
to position yourself for the funding and

1031
00:54:25,895 --> 00:54:27,364
strike when you have is right.

1032
00:54:27,364 --> 00:54:29,266
I think if you take a years
to accomplish that and

1033
00:54:29,266 --> 00:54:31,901
and all those years,
you still have a plan around,

1034
00:54:31,901 --> 00:54:35,639
you still have an old plan at 65 years old
that hasn't been,

1035
00:54:35,739 --> 00:54:38,275
you know,
touched to a major degree in 20 years

1036
00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:40,677
where things break down
and you have to fix it.

1037
00:54:40,677 --> 00:54:41,711
It's not on a column.

1038
00:54:41,711 --> 00:54:43,313
It feels like every project I do

1039
00:54:43,313 --> 00:54:46,316
these days, you know,
by the time you are ready to do it,

1040
00:54:46,449 --> 00:54:49,986
one major piece is a plan breaks down
and they had to do an emergency.

1041
00:54:49,986 --> 00:54:51,321
Your parents spend a lot of money.

1042
00:54:51,321 --> 00:54:54,057
That happens all the time because that's
the nature of what you're dealing with.

1043
00:54:54,057 --> 00:54:58,161
The older the show must go
on, must treat wastewater.

1044
00:54:58,428 --> 00:55:01,431
So there may be unexpected expenses

1045
00:55:01,665 --> 00:55:04,634
where Kelsey has to stand up here
in a future meeting and say,

1046
00:55:04,634 --> 00:55:06,870
hey, we got to repair this
because it broke down.

1047
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:09,306
There's no ifs, ands or buts about it.

1048
00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:11,641
That will likely happen.

1049
00:55:11,641 --> 00:55:13,877
What that is, I don't know.

1050
00:55:13,877 --> 00:55:16,880
I mean, I just mentioned,
you know, a couple months ago,

1051
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,417
2 or 3 months ago,
where the clear trickling filter cover

1052
00:55:20,650 --> 00:55:24,287
that's been identified
as something that needs to go,

1053
00:55:24,287 --> 00:55:25,588
a major chunk of concrete

1054
00:55:25,588 --> 00:55:29,125
fell off the side of the cover,
you know, navigating emergency repairs.

1055
00:55:29,125 --> 00:55:31,528
That entire contractor to do it.
And it wasn't cheap.

1056
00:55:31,528 --> 00:55:33,463
You know,
those things are going to happen.

1057
00:55:33,463 --> 00:55:34,464
Okay.

1058
00:55:34,464 --> 00:55:39,002
The other, the other item that
I'm curious about is that we just got out.

1059
00:55:39,002 --> 00:55:42,172
I was inside, this last week, and

1060
00:55:43,540 --> 00:55:46,776
I'm curious about,
like, the, the population, for example,

1061
00:55:47,143 --> 00:55:50,914
you know, you talk about developable,
developable land

1062
00:55:51,448 --> 00:55:56,152
and if we were to, let's just say
all of that land got out, developed

1063
00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:59,222
and we did increase the population
by that amount.

1064
00:55:59,222 --> 00:56:02,359
And there were other conversations
that happened, like, for example,

1065
00:56:02,359 --> 00:56:06,529
doing infill projects
and increasing our density.

1066
00:56:06,529 --> 00:56:08,865
And we rezone to we've done
a bunch of different things.

1067
00:56:08,865 --> 00:56:12,469
Let's say, for example,
our population does spike

1068
00:56:12,469 --> 00:56:15,472
because we are able to do this unit.

1069
00:56:16,606 --> 00:56:18,575
So how does that

1070
00:56:18,575 --> 00:56:22,312
how does that affect our plant.

1071
00:56:23,346 --> 00:56:25,014
Does it do you understand what I'm asking.

1072
00:56:25,014 --> 00:56:28,017
Yeah. Currently the existing plant.

1073
00:56:28,051 --> 00:56:30,053
Yeah. Did I hear the weeds a little bit.

1074
00:56:30,053 --> 00:56:34,090
But the there's a wide range of flows
that a plant is has to treat for.

1075
00:56:34,290 --> 00:56:35,859
It's kind of the flow coming in

1076
00:56:35,859 --> 00:56:37,761
in the middle of the night
in the middle of the winter,

1077
00:56:37,761 --> 00:56:40,230
which is a lot
less of the flow in the middle of summer

1078
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:42,999
when we get to the kind of
I and I and, and flooding events going on.

1079
00:56:42,999 --> 00:56:46,469
So you have to push a lot of flow
or a little flow through that plan.

1080
00:56:46,836 --> 00:56:50,707
Right now, on average,
the flow of that land is roughly 50%.

1081
00:56:50,707 --> 00:56:54,477
Its capacity, but it can pick up to 100%
during certain times.

1082
00:56:54,811 --> 00:56:57,614
Turning where I was going on that.

1083
00:57:00,216 --> 00:57:01,851
Go with the residential.

1084
00:57:01,851 --> 00:57:06,723
I mean,
the new alternative has enough capacity

1085
00:57:06,723 --> 00:57:10,193
built in for managing it
because it's one of the smaller options.

1086
00:57:10,193 --> 00:57:13,196
We have the ability to even expand
it further.

1087
00:57:13,196 --> 00:57:15,198
Okay. Yeah.

1088
00:57:15,198 --> 00:57:19,369
This specific alternative,
you know, and design, we reevaluate

1089
00:57:19,369 --> 00:57:23,072
all these flows and the labor hours to,
to get the latest and greatest deal.

1090
00:57:23,072 --> 00:57:23,473
Right.

1091
00:57:23,473 --> 00:57:27,377
You know, this is data through 2024
that we looked at some of the changes

1092
00:57:27,377 --> 00:57:28,645
in the next two years.

1093
00:57:28,645 --> 00:57:29,479
That will be the data

1094
00:57:29,479 --> 00:57:32,982
that we design and around, along
with projecting off 20 years from now.

1095
00:57:33,316 --> 00:57:35,885
But the intent is to size that land.

1096
00:57:35,885 --> 00:57:40,190
You know, at least right now, to handle
that is 20 years and needs based on what,

1097
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:45,161
you know, if there's something
super unexpected, that happens and,

1098
00:57:45,361 --> 00:57:47,230
you know, you know, there's room
in, in this alternative

1099
00:57:47,230 --> 00:57:51,601
specifically to expand the process,
add more cells to accommodate,

1100
00:57:51,901 --> 00:57:54,904
and the discussion really is okay
to build that sort of now,

1101
00:57:54,904 --> 00:57:56,673
in anticipation of that happening,

1102
00:57:56,673 --> 00:57:57,507
build the structure

1103
00:57:57,507 --> 00:57:59,709
and then not populate those cells
with all the media

1104
00:57:59,709 --> 00:58:02,212
and the things that go in there
that cost money.

1105
00:58:02,212 --> 00:58:07,383
Or do you wait and build what you need now
and then build more structures later

1106
00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:11,054
that that's really the discussion
about expansion with this alternative.

1107
00:58:11,387 --> 00:58:12,689
And I think you've covered that with us.

1108
00:58:12,689 --> 00:58:14,224
And is there a major

1109
00:58:15,592 --> 00:58:17,494
the cost difference for

1110
00:58:17,494 --> 00:58:18,928
the the price that, that

1111
00:58:18,928 --> 00:58:22,899
we've been talking about is without that
expansion, is that correct,

1112
00:58:22,899 --> 00:58:28,371
or is that with the expansion
that so what we assumed actually,

1113
00:58:28,371 --> 00:58:33,543
getting into the weeds a little bit too,
but it's a ten by five cell system.

1114
00:58:33,543 --> 00:58:37,547
We worked with vendors that,
provide this equipment and to size

1115
00:58:37,547 --> 00:58:41,551
that for the flow is not rejection
is what we showed on on that site plan.

1116
00:58:41,551 --> 00:58:44,888
And what we had built into
some of the costs are building

1117
00:58:44,921 --> 00:58:47,757
additional cells on that
so you could accommodate growth.

1118
00:58:47,757 --> 00:58:51,027
So, you know,
it makes you could do an analysis

1119
00:58:51,027 --> 00:58:54,831
for the building, make a lot of sense
to probably build a structure now

1120
00:58:55,231 --> 00:58:59,135
and then, just not spend the money
to populate that structure than wait

1121
00:58:59,168 --> 00:59:01,671
till you have that growth
to add that later.

1122
00:59:01,671 --> 00:59:05,141
If it's kind of a design level discussion
where we'll have to kind of dig

1123
00:59:05,141 --> 00:59:08,678
in the weeds on that, to figure out
what are the best solutions.

1124
00:59:08,678 --> 00:59:11,748
But, there's ways, to address it.

1125
00:59:12,148 --> 00:59:12,949
Thank you. Yep.

1126
00:59:14,584 --> 00:59:16,586
One quick question.

1127
00:59:16,586 --> 00:59:19,322
So 142 million.

1128
00:59:19,322 --> 00:59:22,091
And when I look at your funding
opportunities, there's 22

1129
00:59:22,091 --> 00:59:24,994
million in grants.

1130
00:59:24,994 --> 00:59:26,663
And that's it

1131
00:59:26,663 --> 00:59:28,131
pretty much. Right.

1132
00:59:28,131 --> 00:59:29,432
Just I just want to understand.

1133
00:59:29,432 --> 00:59:32,435
So then we have to,

1134
00:59:33,202 --> 00:59:34,938
we going to be taking out a loan

1135
00:59:34,938 --> 00:59:38,308
for 120 million for this, give or take.

1136
00:59:38,875 --> 00:59:40,076
That would be the the difference.

1137
00:59:40,076 --> 00:59:44,948
The other thing would be the,
special appropriations bond requests,

1138
00:59:44,981 --> 00:59:49,252
where you could request additional funding
help the argument

1139
00:59:49,252 --> 00:59:52,922
and being that you have 22 million
that you would be eligible

1140
00:59:52,922 --> 00:59:57,093
for based on the programs that exist
today, it's just a matter of position.

1141
00:59:57,093 --> 01:00:00,263
You for them
if you are eligible for that money.

1142
01:00:01,998 --> 01:00:03,366
If it doesn't,

1143
01:00:03,366 --> 01:00:06,836
even with the 22 million, meet
your affordability needs.

1144
01:00:06,836 --> 01:00:11,240
If that number is not close to $76
a month, that's 90,

1145
01:00:11,941 --> 01:00:14,644
you would still have excess funds.

1146
01:00:14,644 --> 01:00:18,781
Or I think you have a pretty good argument
to request that from the state.

1147
01:00:19,182 --> 01:00:24,721
Through, a bond was to be approved,
you have to put out a very good

1148
01:00:24,721 --> 01:00:28,124
narrative of why you deserve that money
and not someone else.

1149
01:00:28,925 --> 01:00:32,996
But that's the other tools usually,
that communities will use,

1150
01:00:32,996 --> 01:00:36,733
to get finance
and get additional funding from.

1151
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:38,401
Thank you.

1152
01:00:38,401 --> 01:00:41,871
Okay, so that's a pretty good segue
into your homework.

1153
01:00:41,871 --> 01:00:42,138
Okay.

1154
01:00:43,539 --> 01:00:43,806
That is

1155
01:00:43,806 --> 01:00:48,244
when we talk about funding
and in, in as council person

1156
01:00:48,745 --> 01:00:52,348
had mentioned,
there's a pretty significant gap there.

1157
01:00:52,682 --> 01:00:55,652
And when we start talking about,
special appropriations

1158
01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:58,621
from the state or federal level
or whatever those are,

1159
01:00:58,721 --> 01:01:00,890
those conversations go a lot farther
when you folks

1160
01:01:00,890 --> 01:01:04,494
are having those with our elected leaders,
with our legislative leaders,

1161
01:01:04,694 --> 01:01:07,697
they do from us.

1162
01:01:09,198 --> 01:01:12,201
But we would certainly give you
all the information to speak.

1163
01:01:12,335 --> 01:01:13,770
Okay. Unless you want to go.

1164
01:01:13,770 --> 01:01:16,773
One of the ways Kelsey can teach you all
about loading and,

1165
01:01:18,107 --> 01:01:21,110
some issues, whatever.

1166
01:01:22,478 --> 01:01:25,381
Any other questions for right now
running total best case

1167
01:01:25,381 --> 01:01:28,851
is, is our rates dropped from $20 a month

1168
01:01:28,851 --> 01:01:31,954
or between a billion variable cost

1169
01:01:33,189 --> 01:01:34,590
to get to our affordability.

1170
01:01:34,590 --> 01:01:38,327
I think the best case is you end up
paying around your current affordability.

1171
01:01:38,327 --> 01:01:39,429
You know, the other thing with that

1172
01:01:39,429 --> 01:01:42,999
is that it involves two year
and it goes up year over year,

1173
01:01:42,999 --> 01:01:46,769
and the data that they use, changes
each year.

1174
01:01:47,003 --> 01:01:50,606
So as your mind goes up,
that $76 is going up each year too.

1175
01:01:50,773 --> 01:01:54,277
So by the time you're ready to lock that,
you know, financing agreement

1176
01:01:54,277 --> 01:01:57,280
in, you might be playing
with those different numbers.

1177
01:01:57,513 --> 01:01:59,916
So another time,
a little time is of the essence.

1178
01:02:01,684 --> 01:02:03,352
Well, again, and we appreciate you coming.

1179
01:02:03,352 --> 01:02:05,088
I know
we first started talking about this.

1180
01:02:05,088 --> 01:02:07,690
I heard about it when I served on
the council three years ago.

1181
01:02:07,690 --> 01:02:09,726
So now we're kind of
getting to that next up.

1182
01:02:09,726 --> 01:02:11,360
But it sounds like
we've got some more stuff,

1183
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,695
but I think it's good, obviously

1184
01:02:12,695 --> 01:02:15,798
to keep it at the forefront
and get more specifics now.

1185
01:02:15,798 --> 01:02:18,701
And we appreciate you coming up
and answering questions.

1186
01:02:18,701 --> 01:02:20,470
And it looks like we have some work to do.

1187
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:23,072
So thanks for having us. Appreciate it.

1188
01:02:23,072 --> 01:02:25,408
Yeah. Thank you.

1189
01:02:25,408 --> 01:02:28,144
Do people need a break
you know anybody okay.

1190
01:02:28,144 --> 01:02:31,881
Well we're going to take a five minute
break and now probably go into a ten

1191
01:02:31,881 --> 01:02:32,348
minute break.

1192
01:02:32,348 --> 01:02:35,351
But let's be back at 608.

1193
01:02:42,125 --> 01:02:42,692
All right.

1194
01:02:42,692 --> 01:02:45,862
Again
we will go to to be now our proposed 2026

1195
01:02:45,862 --> 01:02:48,865
levy and budget of our workshop
this evening.

1196
01:02:49,499 --> 01:02:51,768
Yeah. Thanks. Good to see everybody again.

1197
01:02:52,835 --> 01:02:54,637
I don't
think this meeting will have a shock.

1198
01:02:54,637 --> 01:02:57,306
That was the last meeting.
Yeah, thankfully.

1199
01:02:57,306 --> 01:03:01,077
But we're going to dictate
from where we were basically a week ago.

1200
01:03:01,110 --> 01:03:06,616
We're going to talk about a few positions
and keep grinding at that, property tax

1201
01:03:06,616 --> 01:03:10,753
levy to get it from 4.99 down to something
more palatable for the city council.

1202
01:03:10,853 --> 01:03:14,023
We'll talk about, so changes that.

1203
01:03:14,023 --> 01:03:17,693
We'd like the city council
to consider some other information.

1204
01:03:17,693 --> 01:03:20,696
We like to provide you because questions
that have arisen about it

1205
01:03:20,763 --> 01:03:23,232
and then briefly,
just a few administrative changes

1206
01:03:23,232 --> 01:03:24,433
we made in wrapping up

1207
01:03:24,433 --> 01:03:28,137
with where we are at with the levy
at the conclusion of this meeting.

1208
01:03:28,237 --> 01:03:30,907
But with that, I'm going to turn it
over to Tony for the PowerPoint.

1209
01:03:32,642 --> 01:03:33,109
All right.

1210
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:36,112
So kind of starting off where we left,

1211
01:03:36,112 --> 01:03:40,016
last last Monday evening, we got through

1212
01:03:40,049 --> 01:03:43,186
quite a few of these positions
and several other requests.

1213
01:03:43,686 --> 01:03:45,288
We got kind of pressed
for time at the end.

1214
01:03:45,288 --> 01:03:50,693
So what we're offering doing
is just circling back for just a minute

1215
01:03:50,693 --> 01:03:53,863
at the start of this meeting to cover

1216
01:03:54,263 --> 01:03:57,266
two of our current vacant positions.

1217
01:03:57,333 --> 01:04:00,970
So we made some determinations
last Monday.

1218
01:04:00,970 --> 01:04:05,474
Those items highlighted in green are items
that council and the mayor has

1219
01:04:05,474 --> 01:04:09,412
determined are worthwhile
to keep in the existing numbers.

1220
01:04:09,812 --> 01:04:13,816
And then those couple of red highlighted
items were items that were

1221
01:04:13,850 --> 01:04:18,187
the consensus was
we would take out of the existing numbers.

1222
01:04:18,888 --> 01:04:22,091
Those couple of yellow highlighted
items are the ones

1223
01:04:22,091 --> 01:04:25,595
we're just going to quickly circle back
to just anymore

1224
01:04:26,295 --> 01:04:30,066
discussion analysis, kind of kind of ran
out of time last Monday night.

1225
01:04:30,099 --> 01:04:36,205
So, with that,
we'll go to the first position.

1226
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:38,507
And this is the

1227
01:04:38,507 --> 01:04:41,510
engineering field, tech
one, the position that we

1228
01:04:42,612 --> 01:04:43,546
started off on.

1229
01:04:43,546 --> 01:04:46,515
I'll turn it over to engineering Director
Regnier here.

1230
01:04:46,916 --> 01:04:47,283
Yeah.

1231
01:04:47,283 --> 01:04:50,686
So a lot of folks out there,

1232
01:04:50,686 --> 01:04:53,656
on the screen,
but this is a vacant position.

1233
01:04:53,756 --> 01:04:57,860
We typically, had our field

1234
01:04:57,860 --> 01:05:01,797
techs full, and then it's been
a little bit harder the last few years.

1235
01:05:01,797 --> 01:05:04,333
With retirements,
there's a bunch of retirements there.

1236
01:05:04,333 --> 01:05:07,336
Five, ten years in the last five,
ten years.

1237
01:05:08,337 --> 01:05:11,340
And as part of that, we just, in the last

1238
01:05:11,340 --> 01:05:15,611
five years went from a
7 to 6 staff member department.

1239
01:05:15,611 --> 01:05:20,049
So we lost one of our cat
just due to organizational changes.

1240
01:05:20,049 --> 01:05:23,052
Within the last few years.

1241
01:05:23,185 --> 01:05:26,022
And that was a technician position.

1242
01:05:26,022 --> 01:05:27,590
So we're down to three currently.

1243
01:05:27,590 --> 01:05:29,091
One of them is vacant.

1244
01:05:29,091 --> 01:05:33,029
That structure
we have with our two field techs does

1245
01:05:33,396 --> 01:05:36,399
I mean, we've been able to make it work
and made it work this year.

1246
01:05:36,732 --> 01:05:39,502
This year was a somewhat of a down year.

1247
01:05:39,502 --> 01:05:40,002
And the fact

1248
01:05:40,002 --> 01:05:43,639
that we didn't have a reconstruct project,
which we typically do every year.

1249
01:05:44,106 --> 01:05:48,110
So normally
when we have our normal slate of projects,

1250
01:05:48,110 --> 01:05:50,246
we utilize all of our field techs.

1251
01:05:50,246 --> 01:05:53,716
And even this year,
with just two field techs

1252
01:05:53,716 --> 01:05:56,719
and part of this year
we're running with just one.

1253
01:05:56,953 --> 01:05:59,956
Just before
we could fill the second vacant one.

1254
01:06:00,022 --> 01:06:04,226
We still have points
where we really could

1255
01:06:04,226 --> 01:06:08,030
use more field techs,
but we obviously only have the two.

1256
01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:13,002
So whether it's myself, Ryan,
or Jared, our project manager,

1257
01:06:13,002 --> 01:06:16,238
our going out on the field
and kind of helping plug in that work. So

1258
01:06:18,074 --> 01:06:19,875
without them, we're making it work.

1259
01:06:19,875 --> 01:06:21,243
But it's

1260
01:06:21,243 --> 01:06:24,747
kind of taking away from other work
or things like even contractors

1261
01:06:24,747 --> 01:06:29,785
coming in to do, sidewalk replacements
as part of utility projects.

1262
01:06:29,785 --> 01:06:33,089
Their contractors generally know what
they're doing, but sometimes they don't.

1263
01:06:33,089 --> 01:06:36,892
And if we're not out there to watch them,
we get ramps that aren't Ada compliant

1264
01:06:36,892 --> 01:06:39,895
and then we're redoing work
or they're redoing work.

1265
01:06:40,663 --> 01:06:43,099
And we don't do that
when we have the staff

1266
01:06:43,099 --> 01:06:47,737
that are around to go out
and actually verify stuff as needed.

1267
01:06:47,737 --> 01:06:50,006
So things like that.

1268
01:06:50,006 --> 01:06:52,641
But then in general,
what does this person do?

1269
01:06:52,641 --> 01:06:56,278
Why do we have currently two
why we usually have three or

1270
01:06:56,412 --> 01:06:57,613
we used to have four.

1271
01:06:57,613 --> 01:07:00,850
It's because during the summer months
there is all sorts of projects

1272
01:07:00,850 --> 01:07:03,552
between our overlays,
our reconstruction projects,

1273
01:07:03,552 --> 01:07:06,856
residents redoing their driveways
or utilities.

1274
01:07:07,189 --> 01:07:10,393
Service lines of utility companies

1275
01:07:11,260 --> 01:07:13,629
all over, just down the road here.

1276
01:07:13,629 --> 01:07:17,466
For example, on fifth Street, Excel
is doing their big replacement project,

1277
01:07:17,466 --> 01:07:22,838
and we we're involved in all those type
of projects and inspections and design

1278
01:07:22,838 --> 01:07:27,243
on the reconstructs and overlays
in our alley, reconstruct projects.

1279
01:07:27,676 --> 01:07:30,613
And generally we frequently have or

1280
01:07:30,613 --> 01:07:33,949
bigger non reoccurring projects

1281
01:07:33,949 --> 01:07:37,987
like the Trail project or sidewalk project
next year things like that.

1282
01:07:38,487 --> 01:07:42,324
So we're pretty busy during
the summer months and the winter months.

1283
01:07:42,324 --> 01:07:45,728
It's slightly slows down
when you do a lot of our data processing

1284
01:07:45,728 --> 01:07:48,731
during that time, and that is the best
time to do the design.

1285
01:07:49,165 --> 01:07:54,070
That's where this position is, envisioned
to help fulfill those needs as well,

1286
01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:57,373
because we'd like to add someone
that has the computer experience

1287
01:07:57,373 --> 01:08:01,911
and the field capabilities
so that we can keep them fully

1288
01:08:02,545 --> 01:08:05,948
utilized during the slower times
in the winter on the design.

1289
01:08:05,948 --> 01:08:07,216
And then when we need them, they can

1290
01:08:08,184 --> 01:08:10,953
grab their boots and go out in the field.

1291
01:08:10,953 --> 01:08:13,589
All this comes at a cost.

1292
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:14,523
And why do we do it?

1293
01:08:14,523 --> 01:08:18,094
Because we can save a bunch of costs
and get a lot better service.

1294
01:08:18,094 --> 01:08:23,099
If we don't do it,
we pay consultants to do all that work.

1295
01:08:23,099 --> 01:08:27,036
Design, inspection,
whatever happens to be.

1296
01:08:27,036 --> 01:08:32,208
And that comes at paying for their profit
because they're a for profit business.

1297
01:08:32,208 --> 01:08:33,709
You're paying for their drive time.

1298
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:35,711
And typically

1299
01:08:35,711 --> 01:08:39,315
any time someone comes to town, you
probably figure in two hours of that day

1300
01:08:39,315 --> 01:08:43,119
just and drive time
all park and their prep time and whatnot.

1301
01:08:43,719 --> 01:08:47,123
And they're just not intimately plugged
in with the city

1302
01:08:47,323 --> 01:08:50,426
like we are and able to respond
and kind of know

1303
01:08:50,493 --> 01:08:55,231
what they're talking about
relatively quickly, if not immediately.

1304
01:08:55,231 --> 01:08:57,466
Whereas consultants
or someone that you hire,

1305
01:08:57,466 --> 01:08:59,135
you're going
to have to get them up to speed.

1306
01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:01,470
They're going to have
to kind of learn about it.

1307
01:09:01,470 --> 01:09:05,107
And they're not here unless they make
a special trip to deal with it. So

1308
01:09:06,108 --> 01:09:07,076
that's all what we say.

1309
01:09:07,076 --> 01:09:10,112
If we do that, all that work in-house,
we're not paying consultants

1310
01:09:10,112 --> 01:09:13,115
and their profit and all that stuff.

1311
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:15,885
I can give some of the examples.

1312
01:09:15,885 --> 01:09:17,753
I think maybe we listed them up there.

1313
01:09:17,753 --> 01:09:19,622
Oh, we don't listed up there.

1314
01:09:19,622 --> 01:09:23,025
But, for example, our again,
our reconstruction projects,

1315
01:09:23,325 --> 01:09:25,728
we've typically been able
to do those in-house.

1316
01:09:25,728 --> 01:09:30,866
But we're kind of getting more
and more pinched and to be honest as well,

1317
01:09:30,866 --> 01:09:34,403
our that work is being done
primarily by Ryan,

1318
01:09:34,403 --> 01:09:38,541
who started as the CAD technician
25 years ago.

1319
01:09:39,475 --> 01:09:43,078
And has moved up and we've never
really gotten that position backfilled.

1320
01:09:43,078 --> 01:09:46,782
So he doesn't stay up on the ball
with all that he's not doing this day

1321
01:09:46,782 --> 01:09:47,283
in and day out.

1322
01:09:47,283 --> 01:09:50,719
So he's not as efficient as someone that
we would like to have in that position.

1323
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:52,655
He's great and does a good job, but

1324
01:09:53,622 --> 01:09:57,026
it's not
really part of his, normal duties.

1325
01:09:57,026 --> 01:10:00,162
He just keeps doing it because we need to.

1326
01:10:00,262 --> 01:10:04,266
So all those things would be alleviated

1327
01:10:04,266 --> 01:10:07,269
with filling our position here.

1328
01:10:08,504 --> 01:10:11,507
Questions for Zach and.

1329
01:10:13,642 --> 01:10:14,810
I guess I just had one

1330
01:10:14,810 --> 01:10:20,549
as far as do we have any data or numbers
on how much reviews, consultants or,

1331
01:10:20,849 --> 01:10:23,852
you know, outside
work to cover those responsibilities?

1332
01:10:24,553 --> 01:10:27,756
I don't have, those numbers.

1333
01:10:28,824 --> 01:10:32,394
And, I mean, you can generally figure

1334
01:10:32,394 --> 01:10:35,064
like going back to the presentation
that we just saw.

1335
01:10:35,064 --> 01:10:37,199
Obviously different project,
different scale.

1336
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:37,866
We're talking about.

1337
01:10:37,866 --> 01:10:41,303
But those soft costs, you know,
they added 18.5%.

1338
01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:46,175
That's kind of all the design
and inspection are two big parts of that.

1339
01:10:46,175 --> 01:10:48,077
And some other stuff.

1340
01:10:48,077 --> 01:10:49,578
But that's the type of thing where

1341
01:10:50,546 --> 01:10:53,549
our sidewalk project for next year.

1342
01:10:54,116 --> 01:10:55,517
We're paying consultant to do that.

1343
01:10:55,517 --> 01:10:58,754
And there's some aspects where we maybe
need to have a consultant do it anyway,

1344
01:10:58,754 --> 01:11:02,091
because there's some traffic analysis
at the Tyler Road intersection that are

1345
01:11:02,725 --> 01:11:04,693
a little bit higher level and specialized.

1346
01:11:04,693 --> 01:11:07,930
But the point being, we possibly
could do work like that in-house

1347
01:11:08,597 --> 01:11:12,668
and maybe would have saved 100 grand,
give or take, on that project

1348
01:11:12,668 --> 01:11:16,305
or same with our street
reconstruct projects.

1349
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,810
We'd be looking at possibly
even more than that.

1350
01:11:21,810 --> 01:11:28,150
Maybe, 100, 200,000 when we're looking
at designing that stuff in-house versus

1351
01:11:28,150 --> 01:11:31,287
if we can't keep up with that anymore
and have to hire it out.

1352
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,491
It's typically quite expensive
to hire that.

1353
01:11:35,491 --> 01:11:39,428
And the inspection side is about equal

1354
01:11:40,329 --> 01:11:43,666
five to or like
usually 6 to 10% of a project cost.

1355
01:11:46,168 --> 01:11:47,202
Do we have,

1356
01:11:47,202 --> 01:11:50,172
do we have a listed in the budget,
any amount for

1357
01:11:51,006 --> 01:11:54,009
outside services for this type of thing?

1358
01:11:56,512 --> 01:11:59,415
A lot of times these are projects.

1359
01:11:59,415 --> 01:12:02,184
These are usually related to a project.

1360
01:12:02,184 --> 01:12:05,487
So they become part of the project costs.

1361
01:12:05,487 --> 01:12:09,458
So it's in the CIP is where
a lot of these costs will be found.

1362
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:12,795
Okay.

1363
01:12:12,795 --> 01:12:13,696
Is that why Marshall.

1364
01:12:13,696 --> 01:12:17,700
Like when you look at the levy impact
with how it's presented here, like it's

1365
01:12:17,733 --> 01:12:24,340
33,000, but really cost hundred and 29,
that that has a lot to do with.

1366
01:12:24,373 --> 01:12:27,343
We discussed this
briefly last Monday too, but

1367
01:12:27,776 --> 01:12:31,714
we wanted to be able to try to give you
some data points for reference.

1368
01:12:31,714 --> 01:12:37,152
And what that relates to is
if the fund, the the engineering fund,

1369
01:12:37,152 --> 01:12:40,789
for example, does it receive a transfer
from the general fund?

1370
01:12:41,156 --> 01:12:43,292
Any transfer from the general fund can,

1371
01:12:43,292 --> 01:12:46,295
for the most part,
assume to be from property taxes,

1372
01:12:46,495 --> 01:12:50,265
and they do receive a transfer
from the general fund for operating costs.

1373
01:12:50,265 --> 01:12:55,003
And every year
they receive 400,000 for, repaving.

1374
01:12:55,237 --> 01:12:57,840
They have a $400,000
repaving program every year.

1375
01:12:59,208 --> 01:13:00,776
So we looked at how

1376
01:13:00,776 --> 01:13:04,646
much revenue does,
the fund generate by itself

1377
01:13:04,646 --> 01:13:07,649
and what proportion of that
is actually come from the general fund.

1378
01:13:08,617 --> 01:13:12,287
And we'd simply multiply
that by the cost of the position

1379
01:13:12,287 --> 01:13:16,692
so we could say, you know,
this is the same exact science.

1380
01:13:16,692 --> 01:13:19,094
No, but about 30

1381
01:13:19,094 --> 01:13:24,366
is that number 33,000,
33,000 comes from property tax support.

1382
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,504
So it's a percentage of total income
represented by general fund.

1383
01:13:28,504 --> 01:13:31,507
So we came up with a number.

1384
01:13:32,374 --> 01:13:34,777
Well maybe to stick with what we did
last Monday.

1385
01:13:34,777 --> 01:13:35,677
Do we are we okay.

1386
01:13:35,677 --> 01:13:38,747
Maybe going down the line real quick
and giving any comments on

1387
01:13:38,747 --> 01:13:42,251
what we think about this position
or what would you like to do?

1388
01:13:42,251 --> 01:13:46,088
Chris I think that's a great process,
but I'm just kind of trying

1389
01:13:46,121 --> 01:13:49,291
to listen to these, descriptions
and add a little bit of context

1390
01:13:49,291 --> 01:13:50,559
that might makes more sense.

1391
01:13:50,559 --> 01:13:55,431
So from my experience
in the last community I was in, we so

1392
01:13:55,431 --> 01:14:00,135
we did typically 1.2 to 1.5
million and street projects per year.

1393
01:14:00,702 --> 01:14:02,638
All of it was contracted out.

1394
01:14:02,638 --> 01:14:06,375
We had a consulting city engineer
and then the engineering firm, typically

1395
01:14:06,375 --> 01:14:10,779
that firm did all the design
and construction inspection.

1396
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:12,281
We were

1397
01:14:12,281 --> 01:14:15,584
trying though, and earlier
to try to save some funds,

1398
01:14:16,018 --> 01:14:20,189
on the construction inspection component,
could we hire a city employee,

1399
01:14:20,255 --> 01:14:23,325
full time city employee, and alleviate
some of the construction

1400
01:14:23,325 --> 01:14:26,762
inspection costs,
which generally would have been around?

1401
01:14:26,862 --> 01:14:29,865
If you're talking about that 1.2
million, that's about

1402
01:14:29,865 --> 01:14:34,069
70,000 of the project
was often construction inspection.

1403
01:14:34,069 --> 01:14:36,305
So we utilize an employee.

1404
01:14:36,305 --> 01:14:37,206
That would be

1405
01:14:37,206 --> 01:14:41,276
that that's a large percentage of the wage
for construction inspection.

1406
01:14:41,276 --> 01:14:45,047
And then what could we utilize them
for during the remainder of the year?

1407
01:14:45,347 --> 01:14:46,949
We never got to that finish line.

1408
01:14:46,949 --> 01:14:51,253
They continued to pay for that
construction inspection component.

1409
01:14:51,253 --> 01:14:56,992
But here in Red Wing, the uniqueness
is that that position is also, as Zach

1410
01:14:57,259 --> 01:15:00,329
described, is being used for the CAD work
and the design work.

1411
01:15:01,063 --> 01:15:03,499
And so there's I mean, it doesn't

1412
01:15:03,499 --> 01:15:06,902
quite correlate because it depends
on the projects that we're doing,

1413
01:15:07,469 --> 01:15:11,273
but you could say it
potentially saves $150,000 a year

1414
01:15:11,473 --> 01:15:14,643
if those costs aren't contracted out.

1415
01:15:15,544 --> 01:15:18,714
So it's really hard to assume

1416
01:15:18,714 --> 01:15:23,519
because it changes year by year by year,
but it's a definite cost savings

1417
01:15:24,686 --> 01:15:26,822
on your overall budget if you utilize it

1418
01:15:26,822 --> 01:15:29,825
to do what you would
otherwise be contracting for.

1419
01:15:31,527 --> 01:15:33,028
I'm not showing..oh.

1420
01:15:33,028 --> 01:15:33,695
Go ahead Don.

1421
01:15:33,695 --> 01:15:36,698
Say, how many years is this position
been open?

1422
01:15:39,201 --> 01:15:40,335
That's a little bit hard.

1423
01:15:40,335 --> 01:15:42,971
So we had two a year ago,

1424
01:15:42,971 --> 01:15:46,975
and then one of those, went to Lake City
and then we hired a back end.

1425
01:15:46,975 --> 01:15:50,312
So we've been able to fill in,
but we've just lost a person here.

1426
01:15:50,345 --> 01:15:51,313
There.

1427
01:15:51,313 --> 01:15:54,082
I don't know.

1428
01:15:54,082 --> 01:15:58,220
And some of you recall just because we're
in the building there when that was left.

1429
01:15:58,220 --> 01:16:03,258
But there was a longstanding,
up until the last 5 to 10 year timeframe

1430
01:16:03,258 --> 01:16:09,364
where the for field techs were like 20
to 30 year, ten year employees.

1431
01:16:09,364 --> 01:16:10,599
And then once they left it

1432
01:16:11,533 --> 01:16:12,701
been filling those

1433
01:16:12,701 --> 01:16:18,440
and 1 or 2 has come and gone are two
that we have or a couple that we have

1434
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:21,443
have been here now for several years and,

1435
01:16:21,476 --> 01:16:24,479
have had some longevity with us.

1436
01:16:26,782 --> 01:16:28,083
And my question was just,

1437
01:16:28,083 --> 01:16:32,054
I mean, are there specific projects
for 2026 that we really do feel

1438
01:16:32,054 --> 01:16:35,958
and I know, again, that we would use
this type of work that we know for

1439
01:16:35,958 --> 01:16:39,261
sure is going to be needed, and
we would have a cost savings right away.

1440
01:16:39,895 --> 01:16:40,462
Yeah.

1441
01:16:40,462 --> 01:16:45,567
So, I mean, anticipating the construction
phase of the sidewalk

1442
01:16:45,867 --> 01:16:50,005
project or service drive project that will
be coming back here in a little bit.

1443
01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:53,642
So right there we would use inspections.

1444
01:16:53,642 --> 01:16:57,613
We anticipate the 2026 Street
reconstruction project,

1445
01:16:58,113 --> 01:17:00,983
which we're trying to get through design
right now.

1446
01:17:00,983 --> 01:17:06,121
Again, we could be a little bit
more efficient and have that process.

1447
01:17:06,121 --> 01:17:09,658
Would we be helping there,
helping in the inspection side of that,

1448
01:17:10,125 --> 01:17:14,463
finishing up inspections
on our trail project and our normal list?

1449
01:17:14,496 --> 01:17:17,232
The smaller things
that don't add up to the big dollars

1450
01:17:17,232 --> 01:17:21,403
are when we get the calls every week
of someone replacing their driveway

1451
01:17:21,403 --> 01:17:24,740
or building a new garage,
and we're the ones that go out and

1452
01:17:25,807 --> 01:17:27,109
provide recommendations, or

1453
01:17:27,109 --> 01:17:30,679
at least enforce our codes
and make sure everything is done right.

1454
01:17:30,679 --> 01:17:35,550
So they're not tearing it all and redoing
it and all the little things that we do.

1455
01:17:36,518 --> 01:17:38,687
Laying out, striping up on Memorial Park,

1456
01:17:38,687 --> 01:17:41,690
to help the public work staff and,

1457
01:17:41,857 --> 01:17:45,494
and some of the little stuff too,
that we don't even have a dollar amount

1458
01:17:45,494 --> 01:17:49,498
for it, do respond
to quite a few community issues.

1459
01:17:50,999 --> 01:17:52,334
Yeah.

1460
01:17:52,334 --> 01:17:56,271
Ron, do you mind if I have
you go on that side to start with?

1461
01:17:56,271 --> 01:17:59,207
Any thoughts you have?

1462
01:17:59,207 --> 01:18:00,809
Yeah.

1463
01:18:00,809 --> 01:18:02,277
I think I'm a no on this.

1464
01:18:02,277 --> 01:18:05,480
I think, you know, when you're
looking at different projects and things

1465
01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:08,617
like that, you know, the demand is there
when that project's there.

1466
01:18:08,650 --> 01:18:11,586
If the project's not there,
there's not necessarily a demand.

1467
01:18:11,586 --> 01:18:12,754
And you may or may not be

1468
01:18:13,989 --> 01:18:16,224
using that person's time

1469
01:18:16,224 --> 01:18:19,227
efficiently, effectively.

1470
01:18:21,463 --> 01:18:24,266
Don, you want to go next?

1471
01:18:24,266 --> 01:18:27,069
Defer.

1472
01:18:27,069 --> 01:18:30,072
I'm going to probably be very hesitant
also on this and say no.

1473
01:18:30,072 --> 01:18:30,605
At this point,

1474
01:18:30,605 --> 01:18:35,143
I would feel much more comfortable
if I had like the specific numbers of

1475
01:18:35,143 --> 01:18:38,380
of what we're looking at
in front of me, of like me,

1476
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:41,349
you know, so I'd encourage you,
like for this coming year,

1477
01:18:41,349 --> 01:18:44,386
if you can keep track again
of like how we can use that.

1478
01:18:44,386 --> 01:18:48,623
Like I think it could justify me
supporting it for 2027.

1479
01:18:48,623 --> 01:18:51,626
But at this point I'd say no.

1480
01:18:53,061 --> 01:18:56,631
I mean, yes, I do think just maybe not

1481
01:18:56,631 --> 01:19:01,803
the hard numbers you're looking for, but,
we have a big project coming up.

1482
01:19:01,803 --> 01:19:04,005
We have the sidewalk project coming up.

1483
01:19:04,005 --> 01:19:05,173
We still have the,

1484
01:19:06,408 --> 01:19:09,411
path project that's not completed to,

1485
01:19:10,612 --> 01:19:12,347
I support this.

1486
01:19:12,347 --> 01:19:14,049
When I,

1487
01:19:14,049 --> 01:19:18,820
walked through the department,
it was, intact, with Zach

1488
01:19:18,820 --> 01:19:23,291
and just having two people there
doing this work, it's burdensome.

1489
01:19:23,291 --> 01:19:26,294
And so I support this.

1490
01:19:29,598 --> 01:19:31,800
I'm going to ask a question

1491
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,435
about this position.

1492
01:19:33,435 --> 01:19:37,139
Is it going to affect
getting the street side,

1493
01:19:37,272 --> 01:19:40,275
the sidewalk down on our service
drive and,

1494
01:19:41,610 --> 01:19:44,613
other projects we have this next year?

1495
01:19:44,813 --> 01:19:47,415
I guess a

1496
01:19:47,415 --> 01:19:50,218
ultimately everything will get done.

1497
01:19:50,218 --> 01:19:56,324
It's just whether the cup, whether we pay
extra for consultants or not.

1498
01:19:56,424 --> 01:19:59,995
So you would use consultancies to get it
done.

1499
01:20:00,862 --> 01:20:04,533
You see, it kind of get pushed back
via, for example, Bolton

1500
01:20:04,566 --> 01:20:08,637
Menk, the firm that did this study
is doing the North Service drive sidewalk.

1501
01:20:08,637 --> 01:20:10,105
So if we need assistance

1502
01:20:11,139 --> 01:20:11,640
they would

1503
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,643
because they did the design
they would provide a

1504
01:20:14,943 --> 01:20:17,212
inspections if we need any.

1505
01:20:17,212 --> 01:20:18,613
We've made yes easier.

1506
01:20:18,613 --> 01:20:21,783
If it would be like well
it's going to make it way more difficult.

1507
01:20:21,783 --> 01:20:26,955
But I still support the project,
the position because of the need

1508
01:20:26,955 --> 01:20:29,958
within the department
and knowing the cost of consultants.

1509
01:20:31,193 --> 01:20:34,396
Substantially
more than having your own in-house.

1510
01:20:34,896 --> 01:20:37,899
It's something like this.

1511
01:20:39,734 --> 01:20:42,404
In keeping with what I heard

1512
01:20:42,404 --> 01:20:44,773
Beth say
and what I heard Kim say, I would.

1513
01:20:44,773 --> 01:20:46,942
I also support the project.

1514
01:20:46,942 --> 01:20:49,945
And when I'm thinking about

1515
01:20:49,945 --> 01:20:53,381
why specifically,
in addition to the big projects,

1516
01:20:53,515 --> 01:20:58,019
the day to day work, when I see lead
CAD efforts and assist with field work,

1517
01:20:58,019 --> 01:21:02,224
just having another person there
to help in, feel and be creative and help

1518
01:21:02,224 --> 01:21:06,228
with like that extra design piece
that you have

1519
01:21:07,095 --> 01:21:09,531
and consulting fees.

1520
01:21:09,531 --> 01:21:11,299
They're so blasted expensive.

1521
01:21:11,299 --> 01:21:13,301
So I do support this position.

1522
01:21:14,836 --> 01:21:15,971
Will we utilize

1523
01:21:15,971 --> 01:21:18,974
any outside consultants
if this position is filled?

1524
01:21:20,008 --> 01:21:20,375
Yeah.

1525
01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:24,312
So we always get
every depending on the project.

1526
01:21:24,312 --> 01:21:26,281
I mean there
always are going to be projects

1527
01:21:26,281 --> 01:21:30,385
that require outside consultants
because some things have specialty things.

1528
01:21:30,385 --> 01:21:32,420
Most of our projects
we're able to do in-house.

1529
01:21:32,420 --> 01:21:33,955
But everyone smile.

1530
01:21:33,955 --> 01:21:37,659
If we get into a big intersection,
we may need a traffic engineer

1531
01:21:37,659 --> 01:21:40,662
because they do that
and we want to make sure

1532
01:21:40,729 --> 01:21:44,566
our intersection is safe or whatever
the case is.

1533
01:21:44,566 --> 01:21:47,602
That's maybe one of the bigger ones,
but not typically.

1534
01:21:47,602 --> 01:21:51,106
Typically,
we do stuff in-house and we don't know

1535
01:21:51,106 --> 01:21:55,610
how much we spent on consultants
that this position would handle.

1536
01:21:55,610 --> 01:21:56,745
Correct.

1537
01:21:56,745 --> 01:21:59,748
And not specifically tallied up. No.

1538
01:22:02,884 --> 01:22:03,118
Time.

1539
01:22:03,118 --> 01:22:05,787
Do you have any other comments
that you would like to?

1540
01:22:05,787 --> 01:22:06,354
Okay.

1541
01:22:06,354 --> 01:22:12,027
Well, I mean, I was I was a know on Monday
night on this particular, position.

1542
01:22:12,694 --> 01:22:16,698
I mean, I'm under the impression unless
I'm thinking of a different position.

1543
01:22:16,698 --> 01:22:21,803
Even back when, Jay was here, we had,
we had a position.

1544
01:22:21,803 --> 01:22:22,837
Is it the same one?

1545
01:22:24,105 --> 01:22:27,108
Just the same type of position?

1546
01:22:27,876 --> 01:22:30,078
Yes. So we couldn't fill.

1547
01:22:30,078 --> 01:22:31,279
I mean, we've

1548
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:34,916
since the day I've been on this council
haven't been able to fill that position.

1549
01:22:34,916 --> 01:22:39,120
So what are the odds that might have been
the one that was eliminated when we went,

1550
01:22:39,154 --> 01:22:42,524
when they went from 4 to 3
just in the last five years,

1551
01:22:42,524 --> 01:22:45,827
one staff position was eliminated
from the org chart.

1552
01:22:45,827 --> 01:22:47,329
I'm assuming your time with that.

1553
01:22:47,329 --> 01:22:48,964
I wasn't here during that.

1554
01:22:48,964 --> 01:22:52,233
So I think it's it was more technical,
like engineering or engineering

1555
01:22:52,767 --> 01:22:54,035
directly related engineering.

1556
01:22:54,035 --> 01:22:56,705
Engineering assistant one of those two.

1557
01:22:56,705 --> 01:22:57,439
Oh yeah.

1558
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:01,710
Might even been either assistant city
engineer position correctly.

1559
01:23:01,710 --> 01:23:02,744
That's correct.

1560
01:23:02,744 --> 01:23:03,545
I'm thinking it.

1561
01:23:03,545 --> 01:23:06,247
If so. Correct. Okay.

1562
01:23:06,247 --> 01:23:09,250
In that case, I support it.

1563
01:23:10,518 --> 01:23:12,854
Any other questions
or comments on that position?

1564
01:23:12,854 --> 01:23:15,423
Then I think we'll move on to

1565
01:23:16,458 --> 01:23:18,760
CIP manager then discussion

1566
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,763
next FTE position.

1567
01:23:22,964 --> 01:23:23,264
Yeah.

1568
01:23:23,264 --> 01:23:25,200
So I'll try to be brief for my remarks

1569
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,203
so we can get straight to questions
or comments and anything else.

1570
01:23:28,269 --> 01:23:32,707
Or to make sure we clarify a few things.

1571
01:23:33,141 --> 01:23:37,245
This, this reclassification
that we're proposing,

1572
01:23:37,245 --> 01:23:40,415
it results
from a vacancy of the current board chart.

1573
01:23:40,882 --> 01:23:43,885
It is not a request for a new position.

1574
01:23:44,486 --> 01:23:47,489
I just wanted to clarify
that off the bat.

1575
01:23:47,822 --> 01:23:50,325
Another point.

1576
01:23:50,325 --> 01:23:54,462
I just wanted to kind of clarify
and give a little explanation is,

1577
01:23:55,063 --> 01:24:00,535
the recent new hire that just started,
a couple of weeks ago.

1578
01:24:01,169 --> 01:24:04,572
And he came back for his second
pay period.

1579
01:24:04,572 --> 01:24:07,475
So, you know, good sign.

1580
01:24:07,475 --> 01:24:10,545
So that position

1581
01:24:10,545 --> 01:24:13,815
was also also resulted

1582
01:24:13,815 --> 01:24:17,952
from filling a vacancy that had existed
that was a separate position.

1583
01:24:17,952 --> 01:24:24,159
It was filling a vacant position that had
sat vacant for, a little over a year.

1584
01:24:27,162 --> 01:24:27,829
In a way,

1585
01:24:27,829 --> 01:24:32,867
that position is a little unrelated
to this, only because that position

1586
01:24:32,867 --> 01:24:36,671
is designed to assist
with some of those annual

1587
01:24:36,671 --> 01:24:41,242
large lists, like the audit process,
the budget process,

1588
01:24:41,843 --> 01:24:44,479
and then internal and external

1589
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,482
financial reporting.

1590
01:24:49,818 --> 01:24:52,821
As well as provide some,

1591
01:24:53,354 --> 01:24:57,792
backup capabilities in our important
functions, you know, being able

1592
01:24:57,792 --> 01:25:02,797
to train and provide and have a backup
for a payroll function or

1593
01:25:03,932 --> 01:25:08,269
provide and train to have a backup
for utility billing function.

1594
01:25:08,269 --> 01:25:12,574
So that position
with the person who we were able to

1595
01:25:12,574 --> 01:25:16,744
hire is kind of designed
for a little bit different.

1596
01:25:17,512 --> 01:25:20,915
So it's not completely unrelated to this,
because what we are talking about

1597
01:25:20,915 --> 01:25:23,918
overall is overall staffing capacity.

1598
01:25:24,285 --> 01:25:26,354
But I just wanted to point that out.

1599
01:25:28,356 --> 01:25:30,391
What we're proposing

1600
01:25:30,391 --> 01:25:35,396
is in line with exactly what council said

1601
01:25:35,563 --> 01:25:39,434
they valued at the last annual workshop,
which was

1602
01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:43,138
when a vacancy comes due.

1603
01:25:44,839 --> 01:25:46,508
Do a little thoughtful analysis

1604
01:25:46,508 --> 01:25:49,511
on what your needs are.

1605
01:25:50,411 --> 01:25:51,746
And that's what we're doing here.

1606
01:25:51,746 --> 01:25:56,317
We recognize that it may be difficult
to find a CIP manager

1607
01:25:56,317 --> 01:25:59,354
as fit the role
as it previously was filled,

1608
01:25:59,354 --> 01:26:02,724
and in the exact function
that it previously provided.

1609
01:26:03,525 --> 01:26:05,827
However,

1610
01:26:05,827 --> 01:26:08,630
that resource still provides

1611
01:26:08,630 --> 01:26:11,032
function and tremendous value to the city.

1612
01:26:11,032 --> 01:26:16,404
And so what we're proposing is offering
and a lower level accountant position

1613
01:26:16,404 --> 01:26:19,440
to fill and be able to continue to assist

1614
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:22,443
the other departments citywide.

1615
01:26:23,778 --> 01:26:26,781
In doing things like capital improvement,

1616
01:26:27,315 --> 01:26:31,219
project analysis, helping manage grants.

1617
01:26:31,219 --> 01:26:34,289
Grants aren't always
just something that we go out

1618
01:26:34,289 --> 01:26:37,292
and seek the funding and secure it.

1619
01:26:37,625 --> 01:26:40,828
There's a lot of work on the back
end to a report

1620
01:26:41,229 --> 01:26:46,301
to verify,
managing grants and their compliance.

1621
01:26:47,435 --> 01:26:49,938
And I had some.

1622
01:26:49,938 --> 01:26:53,942
And just going from what you heard before
this meeting to that multiyear process

1623
01:26:54,742 --> 01:26:58,446
to secure bond funds,
that's a really heavy lift,

1624
01:26:58,446 --> 01:27:01,883
even for a consultant,
because that generally entails meeting

1625
01:27:01,883 --> 01:27:05,320
with every single member of the House
and Senate Capital Investment Committee.

1626
01:27:06,454 --> 01:27:08,723
That means going through there

1627
01:27:08,723 --> 01:27:11,559
to try to get on their calendar
when it works for them.

1628
01:27:11,559 --> 01:27:14,562
Send invites, a call.

1629
01:27:14,562 --> 01:27:20,001
Those invites out to you folks to come,
to come up to the Capitol with us to have

1630
01:27:20,001 --> 01:27:23,504
those pressing, needed conversations,
like trying to secure those grant funds

1631
01:27:24,038 --> 01:27:26,774
for these bigger capital projects

1632
01:27:26,774 --> 01:27:30,311
and the multiyear, project time frame.

1633
01:27:30,311 --> 01:27:33,314
Is it it's not just going to affect
public works.

1634
01:27:33,915 --> 01:27:37,218
Part of it is the whole financial planning
and and work around

1635
01:27:37,218 --> 01:27:40,855
that and trying to secure that funding,
which takes quite a bit of effort.

1636
01:27:41,089 --> 01:27:45,860
We are very familiar with multiyear,
wait times to secure funding,

1637
01:27:45,860 --> 01:27:50,298
whether that be for the surge link
road rail grade separation project

1638
01:27:51,032 --> 01:27:54,202
for, River
Renaissance things of those nature.

1639
01:27:54,202 --> 01:27:59,474
It takes a lot of concerted time, energy
and effort to see those through.

1640
01:27:59,474 --> 01:28:02,844
But at the end of the day, they've been
extremely huge dividends to the community.

1641
01:28:07,448 --> 01:28:07,782
Yeah.

1642
01:28:07,782 --> 01:28:10,785
And then lastly,

1643
01:28:12,020 --> 01:28:17,959
Lastly, I just want to also mention or
offer up what this position will provide.

1644
01:28:17,959 --> 01:28:23,564
And the department is,
it's the opportunity

1645
01:28:23,564 --> 01:28:26,567
and the resource to be able to tackle some

1646
01:28:26,634 --> 01:28:29,637
much needed improvements.

1647
01:28:31,306 --> 01:28:32,607
As you all are aware,

1648
01:28:32,607 --> 01:28:35,943
we had to make a payment processing

1649
01:28:36,844 --> 01:28:39,847
or what would you call it,
a platform transition.

1650
01:28:40,081 --> 01:28:44,085
We were on PSN,
we are now on express bill pay.

1651
01:28:44,085 --> 01:28:46,154
I mean, projects like that.

1652
01:28:46,154 --> 01:28:50,925
That was a vital project
that was very important to our city staff,

1653
01:28:50,925 --> 01:28:54,195
our cashiers, to remain efficient
and being able

1654
01:28:54,195 --> 01:28:57,332
to account for transactions.

1655
01:28:58,666 --> 01:29:01,602
You know, projects like that
where we're transitioning

1656
01:29:01,602 --> 01:29:04,605
or making improvements for efficiency,

1657
01:29:04,772 --> 01:29:07,041
those are a heavy lift,
and those are often going to be

1658
01:29:07,041 --> 01:29:10,478
things that originate
and are managed through finance,

1659
01:29:11,079 --> 01:29:14,782
and places a burden on the existing
finance staff.

1660
01:29:14,782 --> 01:29:20,722
So, being able to have a resource
available to us to be able

1661
01:29:20,722 --> 01:29:24,559
to tackle some of those efficiency
improvements that are on the horizon,

1662
01:29:25,727 --> 01:29:29,697
that remains important to us. So,

1663
01:29:30,798 --> 01:29:34,335
with that,
I hope that table is pretty clear.

1664
01:29:34,335 --> 01:29:35,803
And what we're trying to accomplish.

1665
01:29:35,803 --> 01:29:38,806
We took the, I guess really

1666
01:29:39,507 --> 01:29:42,377
to sum it up,
you would have a couple of options.

1667
01:29:42,377 --> 01:29:47,548
What staff is recommending
is the elimination of the CIP manager role

1668
01:29:48,249 --> 01:29:52,153
and then replacing it with a lower level
accounting role

1669
01:29:52,153 --> 01:29:56,791
and realizing some savings of reduced
over time from the existing budget.

1670
01:29:57,225 --> 01:29:59,927
And the last plug I'll make
is really about something Tony

1671
01:29:59,927 --> 01:30:03,865
and I talk about probably too frequently,
because we're not comfortable with it.

1672
01:30:03,865 --> 01:30:06,868
And ultimately it's it's
the council's responsibility.

1673
01:30:07,101 --> 01:30:10,138
It's really about the backup for mission

1674
01:30:10,138 --> 01:30:13,141
critical, processes.

1675
01:30:13,207 --> 01:30:16,644
And I think of those often as utility
billing and payroll

1676
01:30:17,011 --> 01:30:21,115
and having capacity so that if something
happened to one of those people

1677
01:30:21,115 --> 01:30:22,116
or God forbid,

1678
01:30:22,116 --> 01:30:23,785
they just wanted to go to their own kids
wedding,

1679
01:30:23,785 --> 01:30:26,888
but it happened
to be during the payroll week, that

1680
01:30:26,888 --> 01:30:30,458
they have somebody else
within the department

1681
01:30:31,092 --> 01:30:34,328
that can perform
those functions we lack right now

1682
01:30:34,929 --> 01:30:37,532
adequate, cross-training,

1683
01:30:37,532 --> 01:30:40,668
adequate duplication, adequate ability.

1684
01:30:40,935 --> 01:30:43,204
If something were to happen,
one of our key people

1685
01:30:43,204 --> 01:30:46,207
doing one of those processes, it's
something we're highly uncomfortable with.

1686
01:30:46,674 --> 01:30:49,243
But like I said, at the end of the day,
that's a it's

1687
01:30:49,243 --> 01:30:52,747
a council could live with that risk
or assume that risk.

1688
01:30:52,814 --> 01:30:55,783
We defer that decision to folks.

1689
01:31:00,955 --> 01:31:05,293
Any questions
from Marshall until mayor did,

1690
01:31:05,493 --> 01:31:10,565
do we have cross-training
in our financial departments

1691
01:31:11,499 --> 01:31:14,936
when the people how many people are
we've been able to do payroll?

1692
01:31:15,269 --> 01:31:16,237
Sure.

1693
01:31:16,237 --> 01:31:17,805
There's nobody that can back.

1694
01:31:17,805 --> 01:31:20,775
We have nobody that backs up
payroll. Correct.

1695
01:31:20,775 --> 01:31:25,813
That's why we've been short people
for a couple of years running.

1696
01:31:25,813 --> 01:31:27,949
We just fill that's the account position.

1697
01:31:27,949 --> 01:31:30,585
But as Tony was explaining,
that accountants position

1698
01:31:30,585 --> 01:31:32,954
is almost fully consumed
between audit budget.

1699
01:31:32,954 --> 01:31:35,890
It's a never ending process
goes on all year.

1700
01:31:35,890 --> 01:31:39,694
Answer questions from department heads,
you know, help with the budget process.

1701
01:31:39,694 --> 01:31:41,395
It's that's basically a full time job.

1702
01:31:41,395 --> 01:31:44,832
What we're what we're this accountant
that we're talking about here

1703
01:31:44,832 --> 01:31:48,603
instead of a CIP
manager is really that relief valve.

1704
01:31:48,603 --> 01:31:53,040
It's to help accommodate succession
plan and ensure we have the capacity

1705
01:31:53,441 --> 01:31:56,844
and the people to have the time
to actually learn that other system

1706
01:31:57,578 --> 01:31:59,580
and understand it thoroughly.

1707
01:31:59,580 --> 01:32:04,085
Right now, if we just had, for example,
our new accountant, his name is Bradley

1708
01:32:04,085 --> 01:32:08,222
Johnson, he's going to do great,
but he's not going to have

1709
01:32:08,689 --> 01:32:13,494
what his role will not, involve
being backup

1710
01:32:13,494 --> 01:32:18,299
for either for some of these mission
critical, processing positions.

1711
01:32:19,133 --> 01:32:21,602
He just simply he will not have the time.

1712
01:32:21,602 --> 01:32:24,605
So we only have one person that can do
payroll.

1713
01:32:25,006 --> 01:32:25,773
That's correct.

1714
01:32:25,773 --> 01:32:27,875
What if they resign tomorrow?

1715
01:32:27,875 --> 01:32:28,876
What do we do now? What?

1716
01:32:28,876 --> 01:32:31,178
We are backup. Emergency plan

1717
01:32:32,179 --> 01:32:34,882
is, this all goes back to succession
planning.

1718
01:32:34,882 --> 01:32:37,018
That's why I wanted to mention it.

1719
01:32:37,018 --> 01:32:39,620
Our backup
emergency plan is probably Tony.

1720
01:32:39,620 --> 01:32:44,025
And I don't want you sitting at computer
me on the phone with our software vendor

1721
01:32:44,959 --> 01:32:48,429
to help process
and get through the process

1722
01:32:48,963 --> 01:32:50,865
and try to get the payroll out.

1723
01:32:50,865 --> 01:32:53,334
Is this a is this a new process?

1724
01:32:53,334 --> 01:32:55,169
I mean, did
we have someone else that could

1725
01:32:55,169 --> 01:32:58,072
that was cross-trained
and they had left us?

1726
01:32:58,072 --> 01:32:58,673
Correct.

1727
01:32:58,673 --> 01:33:01,475
The former CIP manager,

1728
01:33:01,475 --> 01:33:04,478
was actually cross-trained,

1729
01:33:05,112 --> 01:33:07,782
and that person was only here
for about a year.

1730
01:33:07,782 --> 01:33:09,050
Correct?

1731
01:33:09,050 --> 01:33:10,785
Yeah. Give or take. Yeah. You're right.

1732
01:33:10,785 --> 01:33:11,852
Who did that before?

1733
01:33:11,852 --> 01:33:13,154
Who is the backup before?

1734
01:33:13,154 --> 01:33:15,790
I'm just. I find it.

1735
01:33:15,790 --> 01:33:18,492
It's concerning that we only have
one person that can do payroll.

1736
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:22,563
We have the same concern.

1737
01:33:25,266 --> 01:33:25,633
I'm done.

1738
01:33:25,633 --> 01:33:28,502
Any other questions for Tony? Sorry.

1739
01:33:28,502 --> 01:33:31,505
Well, and just just to clarify that point,

1740
01:33:32,006 --> 01:33:35,876
I don't think what we're proposing
necessarily would be to provide

1741
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:39,780
we're not asking above and beyond
to have like two payroll experts

1742
01:33:39,780 --> 01:33:40,848
and be above and beyond.

1743
01:33:40,848 --> 01:33:44,418
But to Marshall's point,
if we lost that payroll person,

1744
01:33:44,418 --> 01:33:49,724
that critical payroll person,
it would pull likely myself and likely

1745
01:33:50,224 --> 01:33:53,694
another resource away
from our other duties.

1746
01:33:54,095 --> 01:33:57,098
And all those other duties are currently

1747
01:33:58,899 --> 01:34:01,902
held to capacity more or less.

1748
01:34:01,969 --> 01:34:04,605
Okay, so we have
I mean, we have the ability

1749
01:34:04,605 --> 01:34:08,309
to adapt and prioritize
and triage these things,

1750
01:34:08,409 --> 01:34:11,412
but we don't really have anyone
that can step in,

1751
01:34:12,179 --> 01:34:12,947
just step in.

1752
01:34:12,947 --> 01:34:14,882
Not not directly. No.

1753
01:34:14,882 --> 01:34:15,249
All right.

1754
01:34:15,249 --> 01:34:20,054
No, I mean, it would be a strain on in
our other areas, we'd be able to adapt.

1755
01:34:20,054 --> 01:34:25,259
But you know, it would be it would be
a struggle in some of our other areas.

1756
01:34:25,292 --> 01:34:26,994
Okay. Understood. Thank you.

1757
01:34:28,663 --> 01:34:28,996
Vicki.

1758
01:34:28,996 --> 01:34:31,632
Joe, for a couple of,

1759
01:34:31,632 --> 01:34:34,635
clarifying questions then,

1760
01:34:34,635 --> 01:34:38,205
if we're talking about restructuring
the position in the finance department

1761
01:34:38,205 --> 01:34:43,310
and the CIP manager position going away,
and you were talking about setting up,

1762
01:34:43,377 --> 01:34:48,282
the long range planning
for bringing money into the city

1763
01:34:48,282 --> 01:34:51,285
and doing the meetings
and doing all of that.

1764
01:34:51,552 --> 01:34:53,421
I'm assuming that

1765
01:34:53,421 --> 01:34:56,424
piece of that job then is gone.

1766
01:34:56,824 --> 01:35:02,029
You're talking about hiring an accountant
who isn't a specialist in networking

1767
01:35:02,029 --> 01:35:04,932
and getting and long range
planning and grant

1768
01:35:04,932 --> 01:35:08,002
writing and grant seeking,
all of that kind of stuff.

1769
01:35:08,002 --> 01:35:10,705
Am I correct in that assumption?

1770
01:35:10,705 --> 01:35:11,539
Let me clarify.

1771
01:35:11,539 --> 01:35:14,975
So to some extent there's less of that.

1772
01:35:14,975 --> 01:35:19,480
But that's just a function of the city
currently is focusing on a couple.

1773
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,983
One of the the major project is the one
we just heard about earlier tonight.

1774
01:35:23,584 --> 01:35:26,420
We are not pursuing the number

1775
01:35:26,420 --> 01:35:30,524
or level of priorities
that we have pursued in the past.

1776
01:35:30,524 --> 01:35:34,195
So before we'd have any number
related to the River Renaissance

1777
01:35:34,695 --> 01:35:37,398
Revitalization project, trails, riverfront

1778
01:35:37,398 --> 01:35:42,203
and those aren't, deemed by this council
council's process.

1779
01:35:42,203 --> 01:35:45,473
We're not pushing,
those who try to move those forward.

1780
01:35:45,473 --> 01:35:48,042
So there's not the volume that helps.

1781
01:35:48,042 --> 01:35:52,179
So there will be some capacity
in this position where they be an expert.

1782
01:35:52,747 --> 01:35:55,349
Perhaps not to the extent that Ron

1783
01:35:56,684 --> 01:35:59,386
was, but we have experience, too,

1784
01:35:59,386 --> 01:36:03,424
or we're, you know, available
and would be happy to assist.

1785
01:36:03,424 --> 01:36:05,025
We want to make sure
whoever this person is,

1786
01:36:05,025 --> 01:36:08,028
they're successful in the organization
as a whole is successful.

1787
01:36:08,062 --> 01:36:11,565
So I look at as how much volume
what's the volume?

1788
01:36:11,899 --> 01:36:15,603
And because the volume has been
turned down a little bit, we don't do

1789
01:36:15,603 --> 01:36:18,773
we need somebody 100% of the time to focus

1790
01:36:18,773 --> 01:36:21,776
like rounded on those specific projects?

1791
01:36:22,042 --> 01:36:23,210
Perhaps not.

1792
01:36:23,210 --> 01:36:26,213
That was our thought process
when we were discussing this and,

1793
01:36:26,881 --> 01:36:30,451
looking at how we could reorganize
some of the department to, to make sure

1794
01:36:30,451 --> 01:36:34,855
that kind of all of the current
needs were met and we came up with this

1795
01:36:34,855 --> 01:36:38,626
would be a better fit this account than
a CIP manager at this time.

1796
01:36:43,798 --> 01:36:45,699
That's it for now, Ron.

1797
01:36:45,699 --> 01:36:49,403
So do we have financial people
in like the HRA?

1798
01:36:49,503 --> 01:36:52,640
I know we have in the HRA to support
have them.

1799
01:36:52,907 --> 01:36:55,910
I mean, do we need to be compartmentalized

1800
01:36:56,110 --> 01:37:00,114
between those groups or could
there there be some cross training

1801
01:37:01,015 --> 01:37:04,485
amongst all the finance people
so you can get some some backups?

1802
01:37:04,485 --> 01:37:05,219
Yeah.

1803
01:37:05,219 --> 01:37:08,923
So the organization
for as long as I've been here

1804
01:37:09,190 --> 01:37:13,828
25 years plus the HRA has always had

1805
01:37:14,395 --> 01:37:16,964
the has always been very independent.

1806
01:37:16,964 --> 01:37:19,867
I talked to their finance people

1807
01:37:19,867 --> 01:37:23,437
2 or 3 times a year, and it's
usually about, hey, the levy's coming up.

1808
01:37:23,437 --> 01:37:25,606
I need you to provide this information.

1809
01:37:25,606 --> 01:37:28,409
The port used to have its own finance

1810
01:37:28,409 --> 01:37:31,812
department, the shell, and used to have
its own finance department.

1811
01:37:31,812 --> 01:37:34,515
And those have been merged into the city's

1812
01:37:34,515 --> 01:37:37,751
finance department,
but specifically to the HRA.

1813
01:37:38,385 --> 01:37:40,354
They still stand as an outlier.

1814
01:37:40,354 --> 01:37:45,492
And,
Chris is probably better verse on why

1815
01:37:45,492 --> 01:37:49,530
that is because of the different charters
or whatever it may be.

1816
01:37:49,530 --> 01:37:52,733
I'm not entirely sure, but
all I can say is they have historically

1817
01:37:52,733 --> 01:37:56,770
and always been that that way in their own
finance.

1818
01:37:56,770 --> 01:37:59,006
People are person. We've been.

1819
01:38:02,142 --> 01:38:03,344
Specifically to Kyle,

1820
01:38:03,344 --> 01:38:06,313
he's very good
finance mind and has a lot of good ideas.

1821
01:38:06,313 --> 01:38:09,316
But I don't think he's going to help us in
backing up payroll

1822
01:38:09,717 --> 01:38:12,720
unless it is.

1823
01:38:13,420 --> 01:38:15,589
Do you mind, for the sake of time again,
if I.

1824
01:38:15,589 --> 01:38:18,058
Mayor,
do you mind if I start on that side?

1825
01:38:18,058 --> 01:38:19,727
Any thoughts on this position?

1826
01:38:19,727 --> 01:38:22,029
I know you just ate a chocolate,
so I'm sorry.

1827
01:38:22,029 --> 01:38:24,465
No, that's fine, I.

1828
01:38:24,465 --> 01:38:25,933
I can go either way on this.

1829
01:38:25,933 --> 01:38:31,639
I, I'm concerned that we really don't
have a cross-training program for backup.

1830
01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:34,541
I mean, in my company,
we have several people that can do it

1831
01:38:34,541 --> 01:38:38,479
because you cannot miss payroll. So.

1832
01:38:39,013 --> 01:38:42,883
And I'd like to thank, Miss Parel
because I get,

1833
01:38:42,883 --> 01:38:47,488
you can sign up on Minnesota,
state Minnesota for any kind of grants.

1834
01:38:48,022 --> 01:38:50,691
And I saw a grant come through
that might help our water department.

1835
01:38:50,691 --> 01:38:51,825
She says I'm on it.

1836
01:38:51,825 --> 01:38:55,296
They're going to use it for, fluoride
pump of some sort.

1837
01:38:55,296 --> 01:38:56,330
But thank you.

1838
01:38:56,330 --> 01:38:58,732
And I think that's
what our department should also do.

1839
01:38:58,732 --> 01:39:00,167
I mean, that be proactive.

1840
01:39:03,003 --> 01:39:06,006
Thank you know.

1841
01:39:07,908 --> 01:39:10,577
If you think that they

1842
01:39:10,577 --> 01:39:13,914
the demand is not high
for the CIP manager,

1843
01:39:14,548 --> 01:39:18,252
and there's staff
who are cross-trained enough

1844
01:39:18,585 --> 01:39:21,588
to be able to pick up those duties,

1845
01:39:21,689 --> 01:39:24,224
and you really do
need the support financially.

1846
01:39:24,224 --> 01:39:28,963
So to transition this from one position
to the other, I would support that

1847
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:32,766
because I really think it's important
that that staff

1848
01:39:33,901 --> 01:39:36,904
are capable
of doing a number of different things

1849
01:39:37,004 --> 01:39:38,405
and filling in those gaps,

1850
01:39:38,405 --> 01:39:41,976
because there's nothing worse
than having that position be full and then

1851
01:39:42,876 --> 01:39:46,847
I think the word you used was triage,
and that's a medical term

1852
01:39:46,847 --> 01:39:49,850
that I don't think
that the city should be employing.

1853
01:39:54,054 --> 01:39:57,057
A support option be,

1854
01:39:58,325 --> 01:39:59,860
I'd also like a follow up,

1855
01:39:59,860 --> 01:40:05,032
update after this person is hired,
when the cross training is completed.

1856
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:16,443
I'm on the fence, but I'll support B.

1857
01:40:18,946 --> 01:40:21,315
With the same caveat.

1858
01:40:21,315 --> 01:40:24,284
It'll be the first thing
they're going to be introduced to.

1859
01:40:24,284 --> 01:40:26,220
So after report.

1860
01:40:26,220 --> 01:40:29,123
And I'm still at the point
I mean I've requested to look at different

1861
01:40:29,123 --> 01:40:30,157
finance departments.

1862
01:40:30,157 --> 01:40:32,793
We talked about this up
known still haven't gotten the information

1863
01:40:32,793 --> 01:40:36,864
I asked about comparing other
like size cities compared to after.

1864
01:40:36,897 --> 01:40:40,334
So at this point
I just have to say no, I want to help.

1865
01:40:40,334 --> 01:40:43,971
I want us to be cross-trained,
but I just can't justify it at this time,

1866
01:40:43,971 --> 01:40:47,374
especially with the information
that requested and haven't received

1867
01:40:47,374 --> 01:40:50,377
yet. So.

1868
01:40:50,477 --> 01:40:52,646
I, I feel the same way.

1869
01:40:52,646 --> 01:40:55,349
And,

1870
01:40:55,349 --> 01:40:59,753
you know, the question I have is, are we,
it would be nice

1871
01:40:59,753 --> 01:41:03,690
to compare us to maybe some other cities
and how their finance departments work.

1872
01:41:03,690 --> 01:41:08,796
And are we using all of the up to date
and most modern software that we can?

1873
01:41:09,263 --> 01:41:13,033
With the AI revolution that's going on,

1874
01:41:13,434 --> 01:41:17,905
there might be ways to, to make this,
this whole process simpler.

1875
01:41:17,905 --> 01:41:21,108
I don't know, I'm
not a not an accountant, but,

1876
01:41:21,675 --> 01:41:25,012
I think I would rather research that,

1877
01:41:25,379 --> 01:41:30,050
those options before we,
we obligate ourselves at this point.

1878
01:41:31,251 --> 01:41:32,352
You know, if we come in at

1879
01:41:32,352 --> 01:41:37,224
2.9 at the end, I would maybe consider
going back and changing that.

1880
01:41:37,224 --> 01:41:43,063
But, at this point, we still need to find
savings in our, in our budgeting here.

1881
01:41:43,063 --> 01:41:46,066
So I'm going to say no at this time.

1882
01:41:47,367 --> 01:41:50,370
I'm in the same mind as Janie, and I'm.

1883
01:41:53,173 --> 01:41:53,740
All right,

1884
01:41:53,740 --> 01:41:57,044
any thing else on FTE
is that we need to cover.

1885
01:41:59,646 --> 01:42:00,314
And I'll move us on.

1886
01:42:00,314 --> 01:42:03,083
I didn't know Marshall or Chris or Tony.

1887
01:42:03,083 --> 01:42:06,086
If you want to go right
into these proposals for consideration.

1888
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:08,155
I know that paid family leave is,

1889
01:42:08,155 --> 01:42:11,325
I don't know how you want to organize it,
so I'll hand it back over to you guys.

1890
01:42:11,492 --> 01:42:12,559
What you want to do?

1891
01:42:12,559 --> 01:42:16,730
Well, I think we're okay again,
just continuing on right in order.

1892
01:42:16,730 --> 01:42:19,733
So, first for consideration

1893
01:42:19,733 --> 01:42:24,004
is a few items, proposals
for consideration for council to make.

1894
01:42:24,071 --> 01:42:25,973
They're all listed there.

1895
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:28,542
I hope they're straightforward.

1896
01:42:28,542 --> 01:42:32,813
Starting with the police department
has an e-bike in the CIP.

1897
01:42:33,380 --> 01:42:38,051
What we're proposing is utilizing
a transfer from the Green Fund.

1898
01:42:38,051 --> 01:42:40,621
This would be a qualifying expense.

1899
01:42:40,621 --> 01:42:44,024
So we could use a transfer for that 4900.

1900
01:42:44,858 --> 01:42:48,195
The second one
there is the council contingency

1901
01:42:48,195 --> 01:42:51,165
that we've discussed
at previous workshops.

1902
01:42:51,331 --> 01:42:54,301
We'd be recommending,

1903
01:42:54,301 --> 01:42:59,373
lowering that from the preliminary
amount of 250,000 to get it back

1904
01:42:59,373 --> 01:43:04,311
down to the $200,000 amount,
which it is in 2025.

1905
01:43:04,311 --> 01:43:06,647
So same amount,

1906
01:43:06,647 --> 01:43:09,082
on park side,

1907
01:43:09,082 --> 01:43:12,052
we could consider postponing,

1908
01:43:12,686 --> 01:43:15,622
invasive weed control measures on

1909
01:43:15,622 --> 01:43:18,625
I think it's specific to Barn Bluff area.

1910
01:43:19,459 --> 01:43:22,362
That would be $10,000 of savings.

1911
01:43:22,362 --> 01:43:26,133
And then finally on this page, Chief

1912
01:43:26,133 --> 01:43:30,103
Warner has gone through
quite a bit of research.

1913
01:43:30,637 --> 01:43:33,440
He had in the original preliminary levy,

1914
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:36,777
a $50,000 very professionally done.

1915
01:43:37,544 --> 01:43:40,547
It's a standards of coverage study.

1916
01:43:40,681 --> 01:43:45,619
And he is proposing finding some savings
by doing more of an in-house option.

1917
01:43:46,253 --> 01:43:50,857
That would result in about $35,000
of savings from preliminary budget.

1918
01:43:53,293 --> 01:43:53,727
So our

1919
01:43:53,727 --> 01:43:56,730
question to the city council is really,

1920
01:43:57,164 --> 01:44:00,167
do you want us to move
forward with these does

1921
01:44:00,167 --> 01:44:03,403
is there any hesitation on the council's
part or.

1922
01:44:05,606 --> 01:44:06,974
Kim, do you want to

1923
01:44:06,974 --> 01:44:09,743
I do have a question
about the Green Fund.

1924
01:44:09,743 --> 01:44:12,179
How much do we currently have in there?

1925
01:44:12,179 --> 01:44:13,347
You know, I wrote it down.

1926
01:44:13,347 --> 01:44:16,350
I forgot to bring it with me,
but I want to say it was.

1927
01:44:17,551 --> 01:44:18,885
You better look it up.

1928
01:44:18,885 --> 01:44:24,124
Yeah, I think I'll look it up,
but it's it's a fairly substantial amount.

1929
01:44:24,124 --> 01:44:26,226
It's in the $100,000 range.

1930
01:44:26,226 --> 01:44:29,229
And how much are we putting into it
each year?

1931
01:44:29,529 --> 01:44:31,064
Like this year zero.

1932
01:44:31,064 --> 01:44:33,800
The next year zero. It has to go.
So it's zeroed out.

1933
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,636
Yeah.
It hasn't gone to for a couple of years.

1934
01:44:38,572 --> 01:44:39,439
Well they look that up.

1935
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:44,244
Any other questions or comments on these
extra proposals for consideration.

1936
01:44:45,212 --> 01:44:45,612
Yeah okay.

1937
01:44:45,612 --> 01:44:48,015
Multitasking
guys if I have the camera okay.

1938
01:44:48,015 --> 01:44:49,383
The key

1939
01:44:49,383 --> 01:44:52,119
to I have a question
on the contingency if,

1940
01:44:52,119 --> 01:44:55,155
if we keep it exactly the same
this year to next year.

1941
01:44:55,522 --> 01:44:59,559
How does that consider
how does that consider inflation?

1942
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:03,363
It doesn't

1943
01:45:03,797 --> 01:45:06,700
I don't think of it as an inflationary,

1944
01:45:06,700 --> 01:45:07,501
issue.

1945
01:45:07,501 --> 01:45:09,936
What we do is we looked at the trends.

1946
01:45:09,936 --> 01:45:10,937
So we've looked at the trends.

1947
01:45:10,937 --> 01:45:13,707
There's been a few years
where are the past ten

1948
01:45:13,707 --> 01:45:15,809
where we actually use
and I think we provided

1949
01:45:15,809 --> 01:45:17,678
some of this earlier
in the budget process.

1950
01:45:17,678 --> 01:45:22,516
But we actually use the $500,000
that we used to set up for contingency.

1951
01:45:22,849 --> 01:45:26,420
But those were always very specific
to certain

1952
01:45:26,420 --> 01:45:29,423
events,
primarily related to weather and snow.

1953
01:45:29,923 --> 01:45:32,025
And then, crime,

1954
01:45:33,193 --> 01:45:34,328
criminal asset,

1955
01:45:34,328 --> 01:45:37,331
resulted in a lot of extra overtime.

1956
01:45:37,764 --> 01:45:38,765
We haven't had those.

1957
01:45:38,765 --> 01:45:42,936
So over the last, you know, 4 or 5 years,
we've used the contingency anywhere

1958
01:45:42,936 --> 01:45:47,908
between 200 and 400,000 and haven't used
the entirety of it this year.

1959
01:45:48,308 --> 01:45:50,877
We haven't used
the entirety of the 200,000.

1960
01:45:50,877 --> 01:45:54,748
So we reconsider and we just on based on

1961
01:45:54,748 --> 01:45:58,385
trends in the 200,000 has been sufficient
the last few years.

1962
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:02,522
Optimistically, no big snowstorms, no,

1963
01:46:03,156 --> 01:46:06,026
extraordinary criminal activity.

1964
01:46:06,026 --> 01:46:08,295
At this point, we think it would suffice.

1965
01:46:08,295 --> 01:46:11,298
There's always a conversation
you recall about fund balance.

1966
01:46:11,865 --> 01:46:15,635
Even if we, utilize the
all the contingency,

1967
01:46:16,303 --> 01:46:19,039
the city council still can use

1968
01:46:19,039 --> 01:46:22,109
some of that fund balance to address
any kind of emergency situation.

1969
01:46:22,109 --> 01:46:24,411
Two thank you for that
clarification. I appreciate it.

1970
01:46:26,313 --> 01:46:27,914
To circle back to the Green Fund.

1971
01:46:27,914 --> 01:46:30,884
The Green Fund has $115,000 available.

1972
01:46:31,118 --> 01:46:34,821
And as Marshall mentioned, we have
no money going in there for next year.

1973
01:46:36,356 --> 01:46:37,124
I'm fine.

1974
01:46:37,124 --> 01:46:39,059
No money going in there.

1975
01:46:39,059 --> 01:46:41,294
I think that's a great use of it.

1976
01:46:41,294 --> 01:46:43,597
Is for the e-bike.

1977
01:46:43,597 --> 01:46:46,600
I don't remember all the details
of what it can be used for.

1978
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,803
But can it be

1979
01:46:49,803 --> 01:46:52,806
used for the prescribed burns to,

1980
01:46:53,173 --> 01:46:56,176
to fight the invasive plants?

1981
01:46:56,576 --> 01:46:57,744
It was

1982
01:46:57,744 --> 01:47:02,182
I mean, it was it was initially set up
for energy conservation

1983
01:47:02,382 --> 01:47:06,219
and really looking at, electric vehicles,

1984
01:47:06,219 --> 01:47:09,356
you might recall talking about fire trucks
and things of that nature.

1985
01:47:09,356 --> 01:47:13,927
But the council has full discretion over
how those funds are spent.

1986
01:47:14,961 --> 01:47:18,465
But that was essentially
what it was established for.

1987
01:47:18,999 --> 01:47:22,035
I just hate to see us get behind
on the invasive species,

1988
01:47:22,068 --> 01:47:26,139
because it it's pretty,
pretty prevalent around our city.

1989
01:47:26,139 --> 01:47:30,177
If you look and see green in the woods
right now, it's invasive because.

1990
01:47:30,610 --> 01:47:34,948
And the thought on that was,
there are there were some,

1991
01:47:36,316 --> 01:47:38,652
looking for the word here,Shawn.

1992
01:47:38,652 --> 01:47:43,156
Loose, loose commitments
to help maintain and keep that.

1993
01:47:43,423 --> 01:47:45,659
They just haven't materialized yet.

1994
01:47:45,659 --> 01:47:48,829
So we're optimistic
if we give it another year that might help

1995
01:47:49,196 --> 01:47:52,466
produce those funds to help offset city
costs for invasive control.

1996
01:47:52,933 --> 01:47:58,472
Okay, mayor, at some point, not now,
but could you just send me, what?

1997
01:47:58,472 --> 01:48:01,475
We can use the funds for sure.

1998
01:48:01,575 --> 01:48:02,509
January is fine.

1999
01:48:02,509 --> 01:48:07,314
I you know, it could you could
you said that out to the whole council.

2000
01:48:08,415 --> 01:48:11,952
In past years, we've had discussions
about eliminating that green fund

2001
01:48:11,952 --> 01:48:14,955
and is transferring it
to the general fund.

2002
01:48:17,524 --> 01:48:20,527
Is there any more consideration to that?

2003
01:48:21,495 --> 01:48:24,464
We weren't
making any budget decisions on that.

2004
01:48:24,631 --> 01:48:28,034
But that, again, is a council.

2005
01:48:28,068 --> 01:48:30,403
It's a it's a year program.

2006
01:48:30,403 --> 01:48:33,440
The council has full discretion
over what they want to do with it.

2007
01:48:36,543 --> 01:48:37,410
I do like the idea

2008
01:48:37,410 --> 01:48:40,780
of if we can see if we can use it
for the invasive bird,

2009
01:48:41,281 --> 01:48:45,018
but if it if there's a possibility
of getting Grant the grant or whatever,

2010
01:48:45,352 --> 01:48:48,421
we should do that
before we pull it from there.

2011
01:48:48,421 --> 01:48:54,294
But if we don't get it in the,
and we should do these burns because

2012
01:48:55,328 --> 01:48:58,331
you get behind on it
and it's more expensive.

2013
01:48:58,532 --> 01:48:58,999
Yeah.

2014
01:48:58,999 --> 01:49:03,103
So and I will note that
because our, the thought behind

2015
01:49:03,103 --> 01:49:06,406
it was let's just give it a year, see
if those grants will materialize.

2016
01:49:06,406 --> 01:49:09,042
If they don't we will definitely be
bringing it up again.

2017
01:49:09,042 --> 01:49:12,045
Next year.

2018
01:49:12,112 --> 01:49:13,013
Moving us on.

2019
01:49:13,013 --> 01:49:14,848
Any more thoughts on these considerations?

2020
01:49:14,848 --> 01:49:18,351
Are we all okay and clear direction on
that for you guys? Yes.

2021
01:49:18,585 --> 01:49:18,885
Okay.

2022
01:49:20,053 --> 01:49:20,887
Let's move on to the

2023
01:49:20,887 --> 01:49:23,890
paid family and medical leave options.

2024
01:49:24,124 --> 01:49:24,524
All right.

2025
01:49:24,524 --> 01:49:27,794
With that,
we had our, Minnesota paid family leave.

2026
01:49:27,861 --> 01:49:30,864
Hopefully everybody knows what it is
at this point.

2027
01:49:31,064 --> 01:49:33,233
If you don't, please

2028
01:49:33,233 --> 01:49:34,634
clarify it.

2029
01:49:34,634 --> 01:49:37,070
But what we are looking to do

2030
01:49:37,070 --> 01:49:41,174
is get firm concrete, you know, 100%.

2031
01:49:41,174 --> 01:49:41,942
What are we?

2032
01:49:41,942 --> 01:49:44,911
What way is the council deciding for us
to go?

2033
01:49:44,911 --> 01:49:48,615
As you all know
from the benefit workshop in October,

2034
01:49:49,049 --> 01:49:51,918
there's an up private option.

2035
01:49:51,918 --> 01:49:54,921
The MetLife option?

2036
01:49:56,423 --> 01:49:58,725
You know, we feel the advantage to that

2037
01:49:58,725 --> 01:50:01,995
would not just be in, slight

2038
01:50:03,530 --> 01:50:05,498
savings in rate,

2039
01:50:05,498 --> 01:50:08,535
but in the administrative ease
of the program.

2040
01:50:08,535 --> 01:50:12,372
It's it's likely to be that,
you know, MetLife has has run this

2041
01:50:12,372 --> 01:50:13,573
program and other states

2042
01:50:14,574 --> 01:50:15,842
likely just going to be

2043
01:50:15,842 --> 01:50:19,679
that much more administratively
easy and, and user friendly.

2044
01:50:19,679 --> 01:50:21,448
Frankly,

2045
01:50:21,448 --> 01:50:24,317
the MetLife option,

2046
01:50:24,317 --> 01:50:26,419
do you have budgeted right now?

2047
01:50:26,419 --> 01:50:31,725
So as you see on there, the top line
currently in the budget is oh,

2048
01:50:32,125 --> 01:50:34,995
so the other part of this law is

2049
01:50:34,995 --> 01:50:38,832
employers are required
to cover half of the cost.

2050
01:50:39,899 --> 01:50:43,136
And that's the amount that I have
in the current budget.

2051
01:50:43,269 --> 01:50:45,739
We use the state rate at the time.

2052
01:50:45,739 --> 01:50:49,509
So the .88 percent, half of
that is the 0.44

2053
01:50:49,542 --> 01:50:52,512
that's currently in the budget.

2054
01:50:52,846 --> 01:50:57,450
It is any employer's option
to cover more than half,

2055
01:50:57,651 --> 01:51:00,720
but it is a requirement to cover
at least half.

2056
01:51:01,421 --> 01:51:04,424
So we laid out
just a couple other ranges there.

2057
01:51:04,924 --> 01:51:08,028
It's likely
I don't know if it's official,

2058
01:51:08,028 --> 01:51:11,531
but it's likely we're going
with the MetLife option.

2059
01:51:12,265 --> 01:51:15,635
So we have on there, if we did

2060
01:51:16,536 --> 01:51:18,972
the employer, half of the MetLife rate,

2061
01:51:19,973 --> 01:51:20,340
three

2062
01:51:20,340 --> 01:51:23,443
quarters of the MetLife rate, fully
funding the MetLife rate.

2063
01:51:23,443 --> 01:51:27,013
I mean, it's really, a decision we'd like

2064
01:51:28,081 --> 01:51:31,484
to have determined here tonight
just so we can tie up those loose strings.

2065
01:51:31,484 --> 01:51:35,655
It doesn't have drastic
necessarily budgetary changes,

2066
01:51:35,655 --> 01:51:38,658
but also administratively.

2067
01:51:38,725 --> 01:51:42,228
I think we need to just make that decision
because there are some deadlines

2068
01:51:42,228 --> 01:51:42,829
coming up.

2069
01:51:42,829 --> 01:51:46,599
To be able to choose which option work.

2070
01:51:46,833 --> 01:51:49,602
And half of the MetLife rate,
which you're saying

2071
01:51:49,602 --> 01:51:53,940
is easier
administratively to conduct and provide.

2072
01:51:54,307 --> 01:51:55,875
Yeah, that's a that's our belief.

2073
01:51:55,875 --> 01:52:01,881
This program already exists in 14
other states.

2074
01:52:01,881 --> 01:52:05,085
And MetLife has administered
this program in other states.

2075
01:52:05,518 --> 01:52:10,090
It's hard to anticipate a new program
rolling out in this in a state

2076
01:52:10,090 --> 01:52:14,494
and knowing just how well the rollout
is going to actually occur.

2077
01:52:14,494 --> 01:52:19,199
So, I mean, there's there's
some quantifiable data that MetLife

2078
01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:22,869
already knows what this looks like,
and it's just going to be

2079
01:52:23,136 --> 01:52:26,706
that much easier
should any of our employees participate.

2080
01:52:26,706 --> 01:52:29,876
So I mean, that's a consideration
that, you know,

2081
01:52:29,976 --> 01:52:33,413
given it's a new state program,
we've all seen how the, rolled out.

2082
01:52:33,947 --> 01:52:35,415
So we believe that, you know,

2083
01:52:35,415 --> 01:52:38,785
it would be friendly and more friendlier
administratively.

2084
01:52:38,785 --> 01:52:42,388
And again, for those end users
working with MetLife that just, you know,

2085
01:52:42,422 --> 01:52:44,924
they specialize in
this, this is what they do.

2086
01:52:46,025 --> 01:52:48,561
Any concerns with that recommendation.

2087
01:52:48,561 --> 01:52:49,496
But did you have a comment.

2088
01:52:49,496 --> 01:52:51,064
Yeah I have two questions.

2089
01:52:51,064 --> 01:52:55,034
One, so we have to provide it
to the employees.

2090
01:52:55,034 --> 01:52:56,603
Have to take it.

2091
01:52:56,603 --> 01:52:57,437
Yes okay.

2092
01:52:57,437 --> 01:53:00,306
Police are required. There.

2093
01:53:00,306 --> 01:53:02,041
Yeah. There is no opt out.

2094
01:53:02,041 --> 01:53:04,377
Then can I ask a second of workers.

2095
01:53:04,377 --> 01:53:08,314
So if if I'm an employee and I how much if

2096
01:53:09,315 --> 01:53:13,520
how much is it going to cost me
if as a council person, I vote for half

2097
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:18,258
the MetLife rate and I'm paying
half as an employee versus a fully funded,

2098
01:53:19,626 --> 01:53:21,795
it would cost the same amount
for the employee

2099
01:53:21,795 --> 01:53:24,697
as it would cost for the employer
under that case,

2100
01:53:24,697 --> 01:53:27,700
because you're
basically splitting the rate.

2101
01:53:27,734 --> 01:53:30,637
So if you've the so it's
going to cost them

2102
01:53:30,637 --> 01:53:34,641
$77,000 in collectively the whole city,
the whole city.

2103
01:53:34,741 --> 01:53:37,544
But I want to know on my paycheck okay.

2104
01:53:37,544 --> 01:53:38,578
Let's deploy.

2105
01:53:38,578 --> 01:53:42,282
It would be it would be

2106
01:53:42,282 --> 01:53:49,422
the rate would be 0.0042 times
what your wages are.

2107
01:53:49,455 --> 01:53:53,259
So it's .004 to the four one in this case.

2108
01:53:53,259 --> 01:53:54,460
Excuse me. Okay.

2109
01:53:54,460 --> 01:53:57,330
Whatever your wage you make.

2110
01:53:57,330 --> 01:53:59,532
Okay. And that's annually.

2111
01:54:00,667 --> 01:54:01,534
Yes. Annually.

2112
01:54:01,534 --> 01:54:04,070
They break it down by pay period.
It's probably.

2113
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:04,871
Yeah. Yeah.

2114
01:54:04,871 --> 01:54:09,342
It's a it's just like any other payroll
tax, a couple bucks a project probably.

2115
01:54:09,342 --> 01:54:10,610
Okay. Thank you.

2116
01:54:10,610 --> 01:54:16,549
Can I just, having gone through this
and done a lot of research on it

2117
01:54:16,549 --> 01:54:19,552
and how to save money
and my own organization,

2118
01:54:19,853 --> 01:54:22,856
I support the move in that life
rather than the state.

2119
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:26,259
All of them that I looked at
were better administered

2120
01:54:26,259 --> 01:54:29,262
than what I believe
the state will roll out.

2121
01:54:29,562 --> 01:54:32,565
And,

2122
01:54:33,333 --> 01:54:36,536
you know, I, I'll say I, I support that

2123
01:54:37,837 --> 01:54:39,672
for, paying the half

2124
01:54:39,672 --> 01:54:42,675
and having the employer
pay the other half.

2125
01:54:44,077 --> 01:54:46,112
I think we got good consensus on that.

2126
01:54:46,112 --> 01:54:47,280
I really want to.

2127
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:51,284
I'm have concerns or, you know, half my life, I think you do have to do have. Okay.

2128
01:54:52,785 --> 01:54:54,554
Anything

2129
01:54:54,554 --> 01:54:57,557
point I say yes at this point.

2130
01:54:57,790 --> 01:54:58,524
Okay.

2131
01:54:58,524 --> 01:55:02,228
As the conversation continues,
I might have something else to add.

2132
01:55:02,762 --> 01:55:04,230
Okay. Thank you.

2133
01:55:04,230 --> 01:55:07,233
I can move on
to some administrative changes,

2134
01:55:07,233 --> 01:55:10,003
and I would just like to at least say
that we're at 704.

2135
01:55:10,003 --> 01:55:13,840
So if we do our and I get over here
by eight, not that we don't all are having

2136
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:16,843
a great time,
but just to be cognizant of the time.

2137
01:55:18,244 --> 01:55:21,247
I don't know anywhere else
why else to put it.

2138
01:55:21,748 --> 01:55:24,684
We appreciate that.

2139
01:55:24,684 --> 01:55:27,787
So administratively
we've already entered some changes.

2140
01:55:27,820 --> 01:55:31,724
Please has a few line items.

2141
01:55:31,724 --> 01:55:36,362
We we were able to talk to Nick
and realize a couple revenue lines

2142
01:55:36,362 --> 01:55:37,030
that we could raise.

2143
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:41,734
So we had charted the preliminary
in recoverable over time.

2144
01:55:41,734 --> 01:55:44,637
So we corrected that by 6400.

2145
01:55:44,637 --> 01:55:48,574
We realized there was some parking fines
and forfeits

2146
01:55:48,574 --> 01:55:53,546
with our increased enforcement activity
that we could add $9,000 in revenue.

2147
01:55:53,713 --> 01:55:56,249
Yeah. Red line
red items on here, by the way.

2148
01:55:56,249 --> 01:55:58,952
Reduce
the levy. Green items, increase the levy.

2149
01:56:01,154 --> 01:56:04,424
There were three items that we did
increase.

2150
01:56:04,958 --> 01:56:05,925
Police uniforms.

2151
01:56:05,925 --> 01:56:08,094
These are for the administrative staff.

2152
01:56:08,094 --> 01:56:10,563
The non payroll related type ones.

2153
01:56:10,563 --> 01:56:12,065
That that was

2154
01:56:12,065 --> 01:56:15,668
just kind of something that was missed
in the preliminary budgeting process.

2155
01:56:15,668 --> 01:56:18,671
But we decided to correct it.

2156
01:56:18,738 --> 01:56:23,142
The criminal prosecution,
the Goodhue County side

2157
01:56:24,744 --> 01:56:30,183
overall it was a 5% increase from 2025.

2158
01:56:30,183 --> 01:56:33,853
And this increase adjusts to correct that.

2159
01:56:35,288 --> 01:56:37,957
Winter planters.

2160
01:56:37,957 --> 01:56:41,127
That's an activity that has occurred
the last couple of years.

2161
01:56:41,127 --> 01:56:46,299
Somehow, mistakenly, there was nothing
included in the 25 budget.

2162
01:56:46,366 --> 01:56:49,369
We may have an item
before the end of the year before you.

2163
01:56:49,635 --> 01:56:52,005
We're getting out in front of it
for the 26 budget.

2164
01:56:52,005 --> 01:56:58,511
And what we're proposing is, counsel
contribution of $10,000 with the remainder

2165
01:56:58,511 --> 01:57:02,081
coming from some sort of fundraising
through downtown Main Street.

2166
01:57:02,782 --> 01:57:07,153
The historical cost of this project
in the last four years,

2167
01:57:07,153 --> 01:57:11,491
since it fully formed,
is between 15 and $20,000.

2168
01:57:12,058 --> 01:57:17,230
So we feel like a $10,000 contribution
is probably somewhere in the middle.

2169
01:57:18,598 --> 01:57:21,534
Then those

2170
01:57:21,534 --> 01:57:25,138
last three items,
the one on the bottom there, that's really

2171
01:57:25,138 --> 01:57:30,410
just a reflection of what we decided
last week that was that transfer

2172
01:57:30,410 --> 01:57:34,714
from to the library
being reduced to not higher.

2173
01:57:34,781 --> 01:57:37,350
One of the library positions.

2174
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:40,253
There's, software that HR

2175
01:57:40,253 --> 01:57:43,356
uses, that one of the modules
is not being utilized.

2176
01:57:43,356 --> 01:57:46,659
And we feel like we're going to be able
to get that canceled

2177
01:57:46,659 --> 01:57:49,662
and not have to pay it.

2178
01:57:49,796 --> 01:57:51,130
And then that other one,

2179
01:57:51,130 --> 01:57:55,201
the education reimbursement,
that's, that's a line that has existed

2180
01:57:55,201 --> 01:57:59,772
for quite a while, but
just hasn't really been fully utilized.

2181
01:57:59,772 --> 01:58:02,575
There's $30,000 in the budget.

2182
01:58:02,575 --> 01:58:07,380
And if we take a look historically
up to the last ten years or so,

2183
01:58:08,448 --> 01:58:13,219
roughly half of that over the last
ten years it has been utilized for.

2184
01:58:13,219 --> 01:58:16,656
So this is kind of
just a rightsizing of that program,

2185
01:58:17,490 --> 01:58:21,060
not an elimination of it,
but getting it more in line with what

2186
01:58:22,061 --> 01:58:25,064
what we expect to see.

2187
01:58:27,467 --> 01:58:29,735
So those are the operating items.

2188
01:58:29,735 --> 01:58:32,939
And then we also have
just some administrative

2189
01:58:32,939 --> 01:58:35,942
changes on the capital side. The CIP side.

2190
01:58:36,442 --> 01:58:39,579
And before engineering

2191
01:58:39,579 --> 01:58:42,582
Director Rainier takes a bow.

2192
01:58:45,218 --> 01:58:47,120
There's a few items there

2193
01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:50,556
that are reclassifying

2194
01:58:50,923 --> 01:58:55,695
simply because of how we do our CIP inside
of our budgeting software.

2195
01:58:56,496 --> 01:58:59,565
The $13,000 in the $60,000

2196
01:58:59,565 --> 01:59:03,503
weren't incorporated
into our original CIP numbers.

2197
01:59:03,836 --> 01:59:06,839
So we're really just course
correcting to get those correct.

2198
01:59:07,540 --> 01:59:11,144
They're not new projects.

2199
01:59:11,144 --> 01:59:13,813
They're not.

2200
01:59:13,813 --> 01:59:16,048
They're not reclassifying the years
or anything.

2201
01:59:16,048 --> 01:59:21,554
It's just it's it's getting them correctly
included into our general fund CIP

2202
01:59:22,021 --> 01:59:23,289
because they generally have

2203
01:59:23,289 --> 01:59:26,559
there's typically at least one
alley project every year.

2204
01:59:27,326 --> 01:59:30,463
So this gets that alley
project scheduled in the right year.

2205
01:59:31,264 --> 01:59:33,266
So there is an alley project and 26,

2206
01:59:35,168 --> 01:59:38,171
there's a couple of dump trucks.

2207
01:59:38,204 --> 01:59:41,707
That first one there,
the single axle dump truck.

2208
01:59:43,543 --> 01:59:45,811
Sean has brought forward an opportunity.

2209
01:59:45,811 --> 01:59:50,416
This was a truck that is fully in
the was fully in the 2027

2210
01:59:50,416 --> 01:59:53,920
CIP amount for $275,000.

2211
01:59:54,787 --> 01:59:59,192
We're bumping up from 27 to 26,

2212
01:59:59,192 --> 02:00:03,362
150,000 to purchase the chassis,

2213
02:00:03,462 --> 02:00:07,533
to kind of avoid some federal

2214
02:00:07,533 --> 02:00:11,470
emission standards
that are coming by then.

2215
02:00:11,470 --> 02:00:14,440
So we're really we're going to bump up.

2216
02:00:14,440 --> 02:00:17,476
So it'll be a reduction of the 27 CIP

2217
02:00:18,110 --> 02:00:21,013
and moving that chassis purchase forward

2218
02:00:21,013 --> 02:00:23,983
in 26.

2219
02:00:24,283 --> 02:00:26,485
The next one is the dual axle dump truck.

2220
02:00:26,485 --> 02:00:29,956
That's one that Shawn and his staff
have determined

2221
02:00:31,390 --> 02:00:33,426
the existing truck

2222
02:00:33,426 --> 02:00:36,429
that would be on slate to be replaced

2223
02:00:36,762 --> 02:00:38,998
is still operational,

2224
02:00:38,998 --> 02:00:42,735
with the caveat of some additional

2225
02:00:43,502 --> 02:00:46,872
I guess we can call it maintenance, but
it's really just purchase of a new box.

2226
02:00:46,872 --> 02:00:48,874
I believe.

2227
02:00:50,643 --> 02:00:51,978
So that was in

2228
02:00:51,978 --> 02:00:57,283
the the preliminary CIP
for that total, that 210,000

2229
02:00:57,283 --> 02:01:01,320
with 136
originating from the general fund.

2230
02:01:01,721 --> 02:01:06,826
What Shawn has proposed is bumping
that because of the condition of the truck

2231
02:01:06,826 --> 02:01:09,829
that would be replaced by this purchase,

2232
02:01:10,096 --> 02:01:12,198
he can extend the life of that.

2233
02:01:12,198 --> 02:01:15,735
So moving from 2026 to 2031,

2234
02:01:16,502 --> 02:01:20,406
with the increased maintenance
cost of 50,000, there.

2235
02:01:21,540 --> 02:01:24,577
And then Shawn also offered out

2236
02:01:24,577 --> 02:01:27,747
there was a roadside mower
in the preliminary CIP

2237
02:01:27,780 --> 02:01:30,783
that just.

2238
02:01:31,083 --> 02:01:34,320
Is being eliminated, from the CIP.

2239
02:01:35,288 --> 02:01:37,857
And then this is the chance
for engineering Director

2240
02:01:37,857 --> 02:01:40,860
Regnier to take Vo,
because he came in last week

2241
02:01:41,594 --> 02:01:45,464
and he offered up that the scope of work

2242
02:01:45,464 --> 02:01:48,668
has changed on the railroad crossing quiet

2243
02:01:48,668 --> 02:01:51,671
zone.

2244
02:01:51,971 --> 02:01:55,508
All I hear him explain
any of the technical details on it,

2245
02:01:55,508 --> 02:01:57,343
but essentially the scope of work
could change.

2246
02:01:57,343 --> 02:02:01,414
The original project looked like
it would need to be more extensive.

2247
02:02:01,981 --> 02:02:04,984
He spent quite a bit of time
with the railroads.

2248
02:02:05,251 --> 02:02:08,621
And in those meetings
and in those terminations,

2249
02:02:08,621 --> 02:02:13,259
he's determined
or been able to determine that far

2250
02:02:13,259 --> 02:02:16,896
less will be required
to still accomplish the same goal.

2251
02:02:17,296 --> 02:02:19,231
And do you want to go ahead
and just mention what it is?

2252
02:02:19,231 --> 02:02:23,035
And also you throw throwing that caveat
about that November 7th or 14th date?

2253
02:02:23,669 --> 02:02:25,304
Sure. Yeah.

2254
02:02:25,304 --> 02:02:29,375
The the caveat is this technically,
we're still in the review period.

2255
02:02:29,408 --> 02:02:31,577
Haven't received any comments
and don't expect any.

2256
02:02:31,577 --> 02:02:34,680
But it doesn't end until November 17th.

2257
02:02:34,680 --> 02:02:37,116
But again, don't expect any comments.

2258
02:02:37,116 --> 02:02:40,986
But essentially
we were under the impression

2259
02:02:40,986 --> 02:02:45,224
based on all prior discussions
going back to 2020, even,

2260
02:02:45,224 --> 02:02:47,827
that we were going to need
a new quad gate system.

2261
02:02:47,827 --> 02:02:50,129
If you recall, we
talked about that the spring,

2262
02:02:51,364 --> 02:02:52,631
I was able to talk

2263
02:02:52,631 --> 02:02:57,670
with the railroad and more beneficially,
the freight staff,

2264
02:02:57,670 --> 02:03:00,873
the Federal Rail Administration staff,

2265
02:03:00,873 --> 02:03:06,178
on some alternative options and,
and talking with Shawn,

2266
02:03:06,178 --> 02:03:10,416
we should be able to implement
a different way to do it.

2267
02:03:10,416 --> 02:03:12,885
We can channelize the road
instead of putting up gates.

2268
02:03:12,885 --> 02:03:17,556
We can leave the crossing alone
and do some road work within the roadway

2269
02:03:17,556 --> 02:03:21,327
and,
yeah, save a significant amount of money.

2270
02:03:21,427 --> 02:03:24,096
And truthfully,
the 600,000 that was in there

2271
02:03:24,096 --> 02:03:27,133
probably was a half million dollars
short of what we would have needed

2272
02:03:27,133 --> 02:03:28,534
if we needed the quad gate arms.

2273
02:03:28,534 --> 02:03:33,506
So, it was again with the assumption

2274
02:03:33,506 --> 02:03:36,509
that we do get no further comments.

2275
02:03:37,243 --> 02:03:39,745
A good savings and

2276
02:03:39,745 --> 02:03:42,248
a lot easier to implement
because we don't have to wait

2277
02:03:42,248 --> 02:03:43,883
for the railroad to install a new gate.

2278
02:03:45,384 --> 02:03:46,419
Wow. I feel like I

2279
02:03:46,419 --> 02:03:50,556
have an awesome comment for that, but
all I can say is wow, great job, good job.

2280
02:03:50,556 --> 02:03:53,092
Yeah. And amazing.

2281
02:03:53,092 --> 02:03:54,527
Yeah, I was not expecting that.

2282
02:03:54,527 --> 02:03:57,530
And I got called to my office by

2283
02:03:57,763 --> 02:03:58,364
these two.

2284
02:03:58,364 --> 02:04:01,734
It's usually the conversation you had
with public works or engineering.

2285
02:04:01,734 --> 02:04:04,737
So very nice.

2286
02:04:05,504 --> 02:04:07,873
Can I just ask where it. Shawn.

2287
02:04:07,873 --> 02:04:11,977
For the dual axle dump truck
and for you guys?

2288
02:04:12,211 --> 02:04:13,879
You said there's a 50,000.

2289
02:04:13,879 --> 02:04:17,716
Where's that 50,000 on this
to replace the.

2290
02:04:19,185 --> 02:04:20,653
It's the 32,000.

2291
02:04:20,653 --> 02:04:24,290
So that truck is used
both in the utility side.

2292
02:04:24,290 --> 02:04:26,959
So water sewer
and in the general fund side.

2293
02:04:26,959 --> 02:04:28,761
So that cost is broken down.

2294
02:04:28,761 --> 02:04:31,764
The 32,000 would be
the general fund portion 9000.

2295
02:04:32,264 --> 02:04:33,699
The two $9,000.

2296
02:04:33,699 --> 02:04:36,435
The 18,000 combined would be the water
and the sewer portion.

2297
02:04:36,435 --> 02:04:38,804
Okay. Contributions. All right. Thank you.

2298
02:04:40,105 --> 02:04:43,108
Any other questions on these CIP items

2299
02:04:44,009 --> 02:04:46,178
so that this is not here?

2300
02:04:46,178 --> 02:04:47,613
There are two different things.

2301
02:04:47,613 --> 02:04:50,216
The report I was looking at the report
and I'm seeing correct.

2302
02:04:50,216 --> 02:04:53,219
The 50,000 was added today.

2303
02:04:54,854 --> 02:04:57,823
To update.

2304
02:05:01,494 --> 02:05:04,964
So it's still have significant savings
from the capital improvement plan.

2305
02:05:04,964 --> 02:05:06,232
We believe this plan works.

2306
02:05:06,232 --> 02:05:09,401
And, we would recommend moving with it.

2307
02:05:11,804 --> 02:05:12,705
Any other questions

2308
02:05:12,705 --> 02:05:15,674
or concerns on these changes?

2309
02:05:16,008 --> 02:05:19,078
Just so taking off the road side more.

2310
02:05:19,111 --> 02:05:20,412
That's fine.

2311
02:05:20,412 --> 02:05:22,815
Yeah. It's, it's a piece of equipment.

2312
02:05:22,815 --> 02:05:23,916
That was.

2313
02:05:23,916 --> 02:05:27,920
It was the is it's, schedule replacement.

2314
02:05:28,487 --> 02:05:31,490
And we're.

2315
02:05:33,492 --> 02:05:36,195
Not sure that when that piece of equipment

2316
02:05:36,195 --> 02:05:40,199
breaks and it's irreparable, we're not
so sure we'll just continue that.

2317
02:05:40,199 --> 02:05:42,735
We'll probably contract that work.

2318
02:05:42,735 --> 02:05:45,571
Oh, okay.

2319
02:05:45,571 --> 02:05:48,107
Well, again, to all the departments,
I would say thank you because you've

2320
02:05:48,107 --> 02:05:51,110
obviously put some extra work into these
and creative ways.

2321
02:05:51,110 --> 02:05:53,178
And so thank you for doing that. Well,

2322
02:05:54,146 --> 02:05:57,149
so now we've got
a little additional information for you.

2323
02:05:57,550 --> 02:06:00,553
We're not recommending any changes,
but we've had

2324
02:06:00,786 --> 02:06:03,789
questions from the mayor
and city council about this.

2325
02:06:03,789 --> 02:06:06,825
So we thought this would be an opportune
time for to allow you to have

2326
02:06:06,825 --> 02:06:09,828
a discussion about them.

2327
02:06:11,931 --> 02:06:14,567
So the first one is on the performance
pages.

2328
02:06:14,567 --> 02:06:17,570
There's been questions
about the city's performance pay.

2329
02:06:17,903 --> 02:06:19,772
These are the

2330
02:06:19,772 --> 02:06:22,808
these are the numbers,
that we've had budgeted and,

2331
02:06:22,808 --> 02:06:28,847
and compared to actual so if council
wants any additional information

2332
02:06:28,847 --> 02:06:31,850
that other was in the agenda
or is attached to the slide,

2333
02:06:32,117 --> 02:06:35,120
please ask away.

2334
02:06:39,858 --> 02:06:42,861
Any questions or comments on this?

2335
02:06:43,796 --> 02:06:44,997
Mayor

2336
02:06:44,997 --> 02:06:49,935
I haven't seen or it's graded at all.

2337
02:06:50,169 --> 02:06:51,503
And the metrics and things.

2338
02:06:51,503 --> 02:06:53,205
If I could get that, I'd appreciate it.

2339
02:06:54,573 --> 02:06:54,807
Yeah.

2340
02:06:54,807 --> 02:06:56,742
Well, as the I don't need right now.

2341
02:06:56,742 --> 02:06:57,977
Yeah. We’ll ask HR send that.

2342
02:06:57,977 --> 02:07:00,713
Thank you. That's
something that we can have HR include.

2343
02:07:00,713 --> 02:07:03,549
Thank you.

2344
02:07:03,549 --> 02:07:06,385
So I'll I'll go first.

2345
02:07:06,385 --> 02:07:12,691
I'm very uncomfortable with this program.

2346
02:07:12,691 --> 02:07:15,127
I have been since I first saw it.

2347
02:07:15,127 --> 02:07:19,064
When I look at the criteria,

2348
02:07:20,733 --> 02:07:23,736
for this program, it's,

2349
02:07:24,103 --> 02:07:27,039
very soft, very, very soft.

2350
02:07:27,039 --> 02:07:29,575
And there are

2351
02:07:29,575 --> 02:07:32,578
there are no metrics to it.

2352
02:07:32,611 --> 02:07:34,413
There's just not metrics.

2353
02:07:34,413 --> 02:07:36,548
And,

2354
02:07:36,548 --> 02:07:39,518
a positive, cooperative approach
to working with,

2355
02:07:39,518 --> 02:07:42,521
like, the leaders to me, that your job,

2356
02:07:43,022 --> 02:07:46,125
significant contributions

2357
02:07:46,125 --> 02:07:49,461
to City council's strategic priorities,
goals and objectives.

2358
02:07:49,962 --> 02:07:52,164
It's part of the job definition.

2359
02:07:52,164 --> 02:07:55,167
So I'm and as I go down,

2360
02:07:55,401 --> 02:07:58,404
I'm uncomfortable and coming

2361
02:07:58,604 --> 02:08:01,373
coming from my background where we did

2362
02:08:01,373 --> 02:08:05,444
have incentive programs for leaders,
which I support, I fully support.

2363
02:08:06,478 --> 02:08:08,414
It was very based in metrics.

2364
02:08:08,414 --> 02:08:13,452
And I can tell you, the first metric
was financial performance.

2365
02:08:13,452 --> 02:08:16,388
Now it's different in the public sector,
and I understand that.

2366
02:08:16,388 --> 02:08:19,425
But I can tell you that if the company,

2367
02:08:20,359 --> 02:08:22,695
even if my division of the company met

2368
02:08:22,695 --> 02:08:25,698
the performance metrics
or even exceeded them,

2369
02:08:25,931 --> 02:08:31,303
but the entire company as a whole did,
no one got a bonus or an incentive pay.

2370
02:08:31,603 --> 02:08:32,838
And then there were other things.

2371
02:08:32,838 --> 02:08:34,973
So I was in quality and safety.

2372
02:08:34,973 --> 02:08:36,675
So we met the financial metrics.

2373
02:08:36,675 --> 02:08:39,812
But if the organization didn't
meet the quality and safety metrics,

2374
02:08:40,145 --> 02:08:42,781
we didn't get that proportion
of the bonus.

2375
02:08:42,781 --> 02:08:45,751
This is not,

2376
02:08:45,751 --> 02:08:49,988
this is not based on measurable, metrics.

2377
02:08:50,189 --> 02:08:51,623
That bothers me.

2378
02:08:51,623 --> 02:08:54,193
The second thing that concerns me is,

2379
02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:58,163
and I know I'm comparing,

2380
02:08:58,230 --> 02:09:01,567
private to public,
and it's probably not a fair comparison,

2381
02:09:02,634 --> 02:09:05,104
but it's interesting here

2382
02:09:05,104 --> 02:09:07,673
that even the nonunion

2383
02:09:07,673 --> 02:09:10,676
employees get the same Cola

2384
02:09:10,676 --> 02:09:13,045
benefits that the union employees get.

2385
02:09:13,045 --> 02:09:17,216
So if the union and I can't remember
exactly what we negotiated for

2386
02:09:17,216 --> 02:09:21,353
the next two years, the,
the exempt employees

2387
02:09:21,353 --> 02:09:24,356
get that same Cola,

2388
02:09:25,591 --> 02:09:27,493
same cola increase.

2389
02:09:27,493 --> 02:09:31,630
That's
generally not true in the private sector.

2390
02:09:31,964 --> 02:09:35,567
So we have leaders who are getting

2391
02:09:37,302 --> 02:09:37,836
raises.

2392
02:09:37,836 --> 02:09:39,605
And I'm not saying you shouldn't
get raises.

2393
02:09:39,605 --> 02:09:42,841
And then on top of that
you're getting incentive pay.

2394
02:09:43,375 --> 02:09:46,812
That's
really not based on measurable metrics.

2395
02:09:46,812 --> 02:09:49,815
So I am very uncomfortable

2396
02:09:49,815 --> 02:09:52,785
with continuing this program as it is.

2397
02:09:53,085 --> 02:09:54,653
It just

2398
02:09:54,653 --> 02:09:57,222
it it is,

2399
02:09:57,222 --> 02:09:59,892
it doesn't seem

2400
02:09:59,892 --> 02:10:01,727
fair.

2401
02:10:01,727 --> 02:10:05,264
Fair to our taxpayers, fair to our city.

2402
02:10:05,831 --> 02:10:07,666
It just doesn't seem very fair.

2403
02:10:11,537 --> 02:10:14,006
Kim. When we did the

2404
02:10:14,006 --> 02:10:17,976
the most recent pay study,
we compare it to other cities

2405
02:10:17,976 --> 02:10:22,214
and we hired, consultant to look at all
this.

2406
02:10:22,915 --> 02:10:28,554
This was taken into account based on how
we compare it across the board.

2407
02:10:29,288 --> 02:10:31,957
And I don't believe that there was

2408
02:10:31,957 --> 02:10:34,993
any other cities
that had anything quite like this.

2409
02:10:35,694 --> 02:10:39,932
So I questioned, maintain it.

2410
02:10:40,499 --> 02:10:44,203
It's, maintaining it as it currently is.

2411
02:10:45,304 --> 02:10:49,842
Without some sort of review

2412
02:10:49,908 --> 02:10:52,911
within it.

2413
02:10:55,948 --> 02:10:58,283
There's um. Ron?

2414
02:10:58,283 --> 02:11:00,152
I would agree with
what's been said already.

2415
02:11:00,152 --> 02:11:03,922
The other thing is to
is, is like with the step increases

2416
02:11:03,922 --> 02:11:05,324
and you're kind of guaranteed.

2417
02:11:05,324 --> 02:11:07,559
I mean, what is a step increase
in the new pay plan?

2418
02:11:07,559 --> 02:11:11,563
3.1 or 3.7% a year?

2419
02:11:11,563 --> 02:11:15,801
I think it's 3.2 or 3, two five, 3.2,

2420
02:11:15,834 --> 02:11:18,837
you know,
and so then like this year, there's a 4%

2421
02:11:19,271 --> 02:11:22,074
cola next year or a 3% cola.

2422
02:11:22,074 --> 02:11:25,544
You know, in my experience
in the private sector, you know,

2423
02:11:25,844 --> 02:11:29,514
and we had an incentive program,
but half of it was a company related.

2424
02:11:29,514 --> 02:11:30,582
How did the company do?

2425
02:11:30,582 --> 02:11:32,651
You know,
if they didn't meet their goals, half

2426
02:11:32,651 --> 02:11:34,219
your incentive was gone right off the bat.

2427
02:11:34,219 --> 02:11:35,888
And then a lot of
times your individual goals,

2428
02:11:37,055 --> 02:11:37,923
you know, are part of that

2429
02:11:37,923 --> 02:11:40,926
overall overarching goal
that the company had.

2430
02:11:40,926 --> 02:11:43,962
So a lot of times that was cut back to.

2431
02:11:44,263 --> 02:11:46,632
So I agree that there's not enough
metrics here.

2432
02:11:46,632 --> 02:11:49,635
The other thing is too,
in the private sector,

2433
02:11:49,835 --> 02:11:54,206
not everybody gets the same Cola,
you know, like the exempt people.

2434
02:11:54,673 --> 02:11:57,442
That's
all based on your performance as well.

2435
02:11:57,442 --> 02:11:59,544
So I agree with what's been said.

2436
02:11:59,544 --> 02:12:02,948
And and just my experience
is that there isn't enough here.

2437
02:12:03,315 --> 02:12:07,452
You know, I would like to see the 50% be,
you know, what we do with the levy.

2438
02:12:07,953 --> 02:12:11,823
And I know we kind of control
a lot of what happens

2439
02:12:11,823 --> 02:12:15,127
with the levy, right,
based on the decisions we make.

2440
02:12:15,127 --> 02:12:16,895
So a lot of times
it's out of your control,

2441
02:12:16,895 --> 02:12:17,896
but it's not much different

2442
02:12:17,896 --> 02:12:21,566
than in the private sector
where you're in the in a big company.

2443
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:22,267
Right.

2444
02:12:22,267 --> 02:12:26,738
And you have no no say over
what their overarching goals are and say,

2445
02:12:26,738 --> 02:12:29,942
this is a path for me and you can know
that, you know, that's not going to work,

2446
02:12:30,742 --> 02:12:31,877
but that's just how it goes.

2447
02:12:31,877 --> 02:12:35,747
So I would like to see I don't know
that we need to get rid of it totally,

2448
02:12:36,014 --> 02:12:38,083
but I think there
needs to be a little more,

2449
02:12:39,451 --> 02:12:42,454
objectivity in here.

2450
02:12:45,691 --> 02:12:45,857
Yeah.

2451
02:12:45,857 --> 02:12:47,025
I don't think it's any secret.

2452
02:12:47,025 --> 02:12:50,329
I've been opposed to this
since the day I was elected.

2453
02:12:50,662 --> 02:12:52,698
First term.

2454
02:12:52,698 --> 02:12:55,934
You know,
it would be really interesting to know,

2455
02:12:56,168 --> 02:12:59,171
how long
this has been in effect in Red wing.

2456
02:12:59,471 --> 02:13:01,907
And what other communities?

2457
02:13:01,907 --> 02:13:07,679
It just seems to me that it's really odd
that were bonuses based on,

2458
02:13:08,146 --> 02:13:12,050
you know, on the, the list of, of items

2459
02:13:12,050 --> 02:13:15,053
that are on our sheet here.

2460
02:13:16,488 --> 02:13:19,257
You know, we, we did last year,

2461
02:13:19,257 --> 02:13:23,495
pay equity study and, and,
I think when it was all said and done,

2462
02:13:23,495 --> 02:13:28,600
most received about a 9% increase
in their, in their salaries.

2463
02:13:29,368 --> 02:13:31,403
I'll tell.

2464
02:13:31,403 --> 02:13:35,207
So I don't, I don't think that, you know,

2465
02:13:35,207 --> 02:13:38,410
we're not paying fairly,

2466
02:13:38,410 --> 02:13:41,413
for staff, you know,
I mean, would I be open

2467
02:13:41,913 --> 02:13:44,916
possibly to, another way of doing it,

2468
02:13:45,450 --> 02:13:49,121
but I would be,
I would be in favor of reducing

2469
02:13:49,554 --> 02:13:52,924
just this cost of $308,000
that we're budgeting.

2470
02:13:55,360 --> 02:13:58,363
To reduce our levy.

2471
02:13:58,697 --> 02:14:02,000
I think it I

2472
02:14:03,468 --> 02:14:06,338
this is a complicated comparison,
and I'm going to make it anyway.

2473
02:14:06,338 --> 02:14:09,341
Here's the situation as I see it.

2474
02:14:10,575 --> 02:14:13,478
We just said that we would do

2475
02:14:13,478 --> 02:14:17,516
the city would offer
half of the paid family leave,

2476
02:14:17,816 --> 02:14:20,819
and the other half
would come out of the employee paycheck.

2477
02:14:21,253 --> 02:14:24,423
I heard that, and, I said
I was probably going to circle back.

2478
02:14:24,423 --> 02:14:25,657
And here we are.

2479
02:14:25,657 --> 02:14:29,461
And we're talking about performance pay,
and we're talking about performance

2480
02:14:29,461 --> 02:14:34,232
pay for the one group
that has to go on Iqra Insurance.

2481
02:14:35,300 --> 02:14:38,703
So they have an extraordinary, situation

2482
02:14:38,703 --> 02:14:43,341
where we negotiate with our union staff
and in the union staff

2483
02:14:43,675 --> 02:14:46,678
have our health insurance,

2484
02:14:46,812 --> 02:14:51,283
which is a significantly better
package overall or less, you know.

2485
02:14:51,283 --> 02:14:51,583
Right.

2486
02:14:51,583 --> 02:14:56,955
And so I am mindful of when,

2487
02:14:57,189 --> 02:15:02,194
when the staff who take that promotion,
they say yes to this.

2488
02:15:02,194 --> 02:15:05,197
They also say yes
to stepping off the insurance.

2489
02:15:05,497 --> 02:15:07,866
And that's a big deal these days.

2490
02:15:07,866 --> 02:15:12,370
And I think about the and
and the sacrifice, if you will,

2491
02:15:13,105 --> 02:15:17,742
of stepping out of that with the knowledge
that there's this opportunity

2492
02:15:17,742 --> 02:15:23,181
that I can probably pay my health
insurance with my performance pay,

2493
02:15:24,349 --> 02:15:26,685
that's where my brain goes.

2494
02:15:26,685 --> 02:15:30,155
So I'm using my performance pay,
probably to pay for my health insurance,

2495
02:15:30,689 --> 02:15:36,828
because I'm not getting it so that being
a working person, that's where my head is

2496
02:15:36,995 --> 02:15:41,333
thinking about how that investment
is, it's a real thing.

2497
02:15:41,633 --> 02:15:44,636
And,

2498
02:15:44,669 --> 02:15:48,507
Should we look at tidying up
this performance?

2499
02:15:48,507 --> 02:15:51,676
I'm not saying that we should just
be passing out bonuses.

2500
02:15:51,676 --> 02:15:53,178
That's not what I'm saying at all.

2501
02:15:53,178 --> 02:15:56,181
However, at the same time,

2502
02:15:56,581 --> 02:15:59,751
if we're going to say, let's
go ahead and eliminate this performance

2503
02:16:00,185 --> 02:16:04,623
pay, I'm going to say,
then let's go ahead and get rid of Iqra

2504
02:16:04,923 --> 02:16:07,492
and pull everybody back in to our health
insurance.

2505
02:16:07,492 --> 02:16:10,162
That is my that is what I'm proposing.

2506
02:16:10,162 --> 02:16:13,832
If we say no to this,
then I say we say yes to the other.

2507
02:16:14,299 --> 02:16:14,933
And,

2508
02:16:14,933 --> 02:16:18,370
And I really want us to think about that
because I think that's a real concern

2509
02:16:18,603 --> 02:16:23,041
that people who are in leadership
in this organization have, I

2510
02:16:24,643 --> 02:16:27,612
that's a real consideration.

2511
02:16:27,846 --> 02:16:30,849
I'd like you to consider that as well.

2512
02:16:33,585 --> 02:16:35,253
Mayor Iiocco, do you want to add anything?

2513
02:16:35,253 --> 02:16:37,222
I know I think you went first,
so I don't mean to...

2514
02:16:37,222 --> 02:16:40,926
I just
how many folks are on the performance pay?

2515
02:16:42,260 --> 02:16:45,397
It's roughly 55 050.

2516
02:16:45,430 --> 02:16:47,432
Okay. Thanks.

2517
02:16:47,432 --> 02:16:50,001
I just need to know

2518
02:16:50,001 --> 02:16:50,835
the whole program.

2519
02:16:50,835 --> 02:16:54,272
I see this, I understand that,
but our metrics on who grades it,

2520
02:16:54,306 --> 02:16:57,976
what's going on, what's it,
what's it compared to?

2521
02:16:58,510 --> 02:17:02,214
I mean, when I was in business,
you know, we had performances like,

2522
02:17:02,781 --> 02:17:03,048
you know,

2523
02:17:03,048 --> 02:17:06,284
council Member Snyder was saying,
you know, here's what you have to agree to

2524
02:17:06,918 --> 02:17:07,586
in here.

2525
02:17:07,586 --> 02:17:09,854
It's kind of it's kind of open ended.

2526
02:17:09,854 --> 02:17:12,224
It seems to me.
I just unless there's more into it.

2527
02:17:12,224 --> 02:17:15,961
And I'd like whenever you get a chance,
I'd like more information on that.

2528
02:17:16,394 --> 02:17:16,695
Yeah.

2529
02:17:16,695 --> 02:17:19,965
And if I could,
I think it'd be important to get,

2530
02:17:20,832 --> 02:17:24,836
probably our top of my head,
Shawn public safety side.

2531
02:17:24,836 --> 02:17:29,174
Because one of the biggest reasons
this program came into existence

2532
02:17:30,008 --> 02:17:32,744
was because of the difficulty in getting,

2533
02:17:32,744 --> 02:17:37,716
good union members
to jump into a management role,

2534
02:17:37,716 --> 02:17:41,186
and they could speak much more eloquently,
than I could about it,

2535
02:17:41,186 --> 02:17:45,290
but that that I know that will could
creep up as an issue moving forward.

2536
02:17:47,192 --> 02:17:47,392
Yeah.

2537
02:17:47,392 --> 02:17:51,363
I guess I'll end with my comments
with of just I mean, I when I was someone

2538
02:17:51,363 --> 02:17:54,833
that asked for these numbers and I was
I mean, I hate to be dramatic with it,

2539
02:17:54,833 --> 02:17:56,701
but I was shocked
that it's that much money.

2540
02:17:56,701 --> 02:18:00,705
I think to the public for 50 employees
like that number is huge.

2541
02:18:00,705 --> 02:18:01,640
And again,

2542
02:18:01,640 --> 02:18:04,676
and the idea that we've just done
a pay study, we've gotten everybody a very

2543
02:18:05,443 --> 02:18:08,847
competitive market rate
that we've compared to other cities to it.

2544
02:18:09,281 --> 02:18:12,284
It just is something
we have to reform in some way.

2545
02:18:12,617 --> 02:18:16,254
And again, on the points
about like performance and incentives

2546
02:18:16,254 --> 02:18:18,023
and metrics, I think that makes sense.

2547
02:18:18,023 --> 02:18:21,960
I would be willing to have a little bit
of a hybrid system, maybe for 2026,

2548
02:18:22,294 --> 02:18:26,698
where we set aside
100 grand rather than over 300,000, and

2549
02:18:27,098 --> 02:18:30,869
and ask the staff to look at a new program
that could be done.

2550
02:18:31,636 --> 02:18:33,938
And then with council approval, could go
ahead, would do that.

2551
02:18:33,938 --> 02:18:35,340
I mean, that's what I'm comfortable with.

2552
02:18:35,340 --> 02:18:39,244
I think just seeing these numbers
is too much, especially knowing the

2553
02:18:39,244 --> 02:18:41,112
the increases in salaries
that have happened

2554
02:18:41,112 --> 02:18:43,948
because of our pay studies
and and that had to happen too.

2555
02:18:43,948 --> 02:18:47,052
But I just think in general, the benefits
is something

2556
02:18:47,052 --> 02:18:51,456
we've been wanting to understand more
and to show some of it. So,

2557
02:18:52,724 --> 02:18:54,125
I'll leave it at that.

2558
02:18:54,125 --> 02:18:56,294
Any other

2559
02:18:56,294 --> 02:18:57,962
comments or questions?

2560
02:18:57,962 --> 02:19:00,965
I mean, I feel like that
gives a little bit of direction, but

2561
02:19:00,999 --> 02:19:02,200
let me ask you a question, Janie.

2562
02:19:02,200 --> 02:19:05,203
Then what do you think about, pulling,
pulling across

2563
02:19:05,203 --> 02:19:08,306
and bringing the staff
back on to the self-insured policy?

2564
02:19:09,874 --> 02:19:12,477
I understand where you're coming
from, Vicky, but I think that's way

2565
02:19:12,477 --> 02:19:15,480
bigger conversation that I just
don't think we have time for tonight.

2566
02:19:16,147 --> 02:19:19,351
So I proposed my hybrid thing,
and I appreciate you doing that,

2567
02:19:19,351 --> 02:19:22,187
but I just think that's opening up
a huge can of worms for tonight.

2568
02:19:22,187 --> 02:19:24,389
That's going to delay us much more.

2569
02:19:24,389 --> 02:19:27,392
So I just would say
we can't have that discussion tonight.

2570
02:19:29,060 --> 02:19:31,996
Any other questions or comments?

2571
02:19:31,996 --> 02:19:35,633
I support the 100,000,
and I'd be willing to work with staff

2572
02:19:35,633 --> 02:19:40,705
and figuring out a fair system
to, create this incentive program

2573
02:19:42,240 --> 02:19:45,243
as what I.

2574
02:19:45,243 --> 02:19:45,877
I think that's the

2575
02:19:45,877 --> 02:19:48,947
thing
we're looking for pretty clear consensus,

2576
02:19:48,947 --> 02:19:51,950
because in a way, we're doing this
a little out of order.

2577
02:19:51,950 --> 02:19:56,187
It's not that there's a policy change
that's having an impact on the numbers

2578
02:19:57,288 --> 02:19:58,723
we're trying to back into it.

2579
02:19:58,723 --> 02:20:01,693
So if there's a consensus on a number

2580
02:20:01,726 --> 02:20:06,331
that you want it reduced budget wise,
and then the policy has to change

2581
02:20:06,765 --> 02:20:09,601
after the fact, that's what

2582
02:20:09,601 --> 02:20:12,604
we would need direction on here tonight.

2583
02:20:12,737 --> 02:20:15,974
How about we go down the line again,
maybe just say again, no,

2584
02:20:15,974 --> 02:20:16,941
you don't want it anymore.

2585
02:20:16,941 --> 02:20:20,245
Or if you're
okay with $100,000 in the budget that.

2586
02:20:20,245 --> 02:20:23,014
Chris, you think that's a fair
way to do it or what?

2587
02:20:23,014 --> 02:20:25,617
What do you think?

2588
02:20:25,617 --> 02:20:26,351
I think that's fine.

2589
02:20:26,351 --> 02:20:29,354
I mean, if you have differing amounts
to discuss,

2590
02:20:29,354 --> 02:20:32,690
certainly,
but I've heard two comments on 100.

2591
02:20:32,690 --> 02:20:33,124
That's a

2592
02:20:34,359 --> 02:20:36,161
a starting point for discussion.

2593
02:20:36,161 --> 02:20:36,394
Sure.

2594
02:20:36,394 --> 02:20:39,397
If you want to change a number,
that's just fine. To

2595
02:20:40,165 --> 02:20:41,232
Ron. I'll start over there.

2596
02:20:41,232 --> 02:20:43,468
Sorry.

2597
02:20:43,468 --> 02:20:45,703
I would say, you know, let's rework it.

2598
02:20:45,703 --> 02:20:49,240
But I think maybe going down to 100
is a little too much.

2599
02:20:49,674 --> 02:20:50,975
In the first bite.

2600
02:20:50,975 --> 02:20:56,381
You know, I wouldn't be happy
going any more than half, you know.

2601
02:20:56,381 --> 02:20:59,384
So 154 or whatever.

2602
02:21:03,555 --> 02:21:06,558
I'm at I'm at zero.

2603
02:21:07,125 --> 02:21:07,792
Okay.

2604
02:21:07,792 --> 02:21:09,761
I mean, I'm fine going with 154.

2605
02:21:09,761 --> 02:21:15,066
If we could get a good, consistent
consultant or a consensus on that number.

2606
02:21:15,066 --> 02:21:18,069
So 154.

2607
02:21:19,838 --> 02:21:22,841
I mean we've done zero.

2608
02:21:24,476 --> 02:21:27,479
I'm feeling really frustrated and

2609
02:21:28,012 --> 02:21:30,748
I'm going to say I'm going to say 308

2610
02:21:30,748 --> 02:21:34,319
because I without
without additional conversation about,

2611
02:21:34,752 --> 02:21:38,323
about my proposal,
I'm going to stay at 308.

2612
02:21:40,425 --> 02:21:41,826
Mayor, do you want to add anything?

2613
02:21:41,826 --> 02:21:42,560
I have.

2614
02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:45,964
No, it's that's up to you folks. Ok.

2615
02:21:47,599 --> 02:21:49,934
why don't we move on to kind of
our last item,

2616
02:21:49,934 --> 02:21:53,905
the memberships,
which will probably take a while to.

2617
02:21:53,905 --> 02:21:56,908
But let's do what we can.

2618
02:21:59,043 --> 02:21:59,377
Yeah.

2619
02:21:59,377 --> 02:22:03,481
So really simply here, here
we are reintroducing

2620
02:22:03,481 --> 02:22:06,484
we talked about this at a prior workshop.

2621
02:22:08,019 --> 02:22:09,754
But we're calling it out here again.

2622
02:22:09,754 --> 02:22:14,058
And in the packet we provided
a little more detailed analysis on

2623
02:22:14,726 --> 02:22:17,729
just what each one of these,

2624
02:22:18,363 --> 02:22:21,566
city memberships is, the amount

2625
02:22:21,566 --> 02:22:25,803
and then some narrative
on what it provides for the city.

2626
02:22:25,803 --> 02:22:30,341
So I guess
if there were any of these memberships

2627
02:22:30,341 --> 02:22:33,845
that council wanted to call out or ask
additional questions,

2628
02:22:34,345 --> 02:22:37,215
I don't know if I feel the need
to read off the six pages

2629
02:22:37,215 --> 02:22:40,184
worth of narrative on what
each one of them does, but

2630
02:22:40,785 --> 02:22:43,821
and when we were compiling this two,
we spoke to most of these,

2631
02:22:46,291 --> 02:22:47,458
different organizations.

2632
02:22:47,458 --> 02:22:50,762
And most of you, if you ever want
to be willing to come down and provide you

2633
02:22:50,762 --> 02:22:53,765
with whatever presentation you want to.

2634
02:22:55,400 --> 02:22:55,633
Maybe

2635
02:22:55,633 --> 02:22:58,636
we'll go right into the questions
and thoughts, if that's okay.

2636
02:22:58,937 --> 02:23:00,038
Fran. Any questions?

2637
02:23:00,038 --> 02:23:03,074
So the League of Minnesota
Cities, membership,

2638
02:23:03,408 --> 02:23:05,009
do we have to have that membership
in order

2639
02:23:05,009 --> 02:23:08,012
to get the insurance
and everything through the league

2640
02:23:08,980 --> 02:23:10,548
first?

2641
02:23:10,548 --> 02:23:13,384
Yes. And it's also beyond the insurance.

2642
02:23:13,384 --> 02:23:16,387
There's a
a lot of other things to Framingham,

2643
02:23:16,988 --> 02:23:19,991
like we could get the number of contacts
and calls that we've made through

2644
02:23:20,058 --> 02:23:22,894
staff
to, to the various aspects of the league.

2645
02:23:22,894 --> 02:23:26,197
But it's it's a lot of different things
that they do

2646
02:23:26,197 --> 02:23:29,200
for for the city of Red Wing.

2647
02:23:29,400 --> 02:23:33,538
And then for,
the Coalition of Greater Minnesota Cities.

2648
02:23:33,538 --> 02:23:34,906
Is anybody in the room on that?

2649
02:23:36,407 --> 02:23:37,275
Also,

2650
02:23:37,275 --> 02:23:41,846
you know, I, I guess I'd like to know,
I mean, is that do we get our money's

2651
02:23:41,846 --> 02:23:47,452
worth from that, that one, I would say
I go back to I think I was here

2652
02:23:47,452 --> 02:23:50,855
maybe a year or two and, we had a,

2653
02:23:51,222 --> 02:23:55,159
assistant council administrator
named Jeff Holbrook, and the council

2654
02:23:55,159 --> 02:23:58,930
was asking about memberships,
and I just remember vividly what he said.

2655
02:24:00,098 --> 02:24:03,935
He said the to the council
is said to be derelict in your duty,

2656
02:24:04,669 --> 02:24:09,774
up out of that partnership
or that coalition, and that's all he said.

2657
02:24:09,774 --> 02:24:14,846
I would elaborate that the coalition
utility city is, is,

2658
02:24:14,846 --> 02:24:19,884
extremely important because, first of all,
it's a small group of people.

2659
02:24:20,451 --> 02:24:25,256
A small group of cities includes like
Monticello, Becker, Oak, Park Heights,

2660
02:24:25,256 --> 02:24:30,695
Cohasset, Red wing that have these large
baseload plants in their communities.

2661
02:24:30,695 --> 02:24:35,633
And prior to to its inception,
it was always,

2662
02:24:35,733 --> 02:24:38,770
what was a David versus Goliath?

2663
02:24:39,237 --> 02:24:42,807
And so at least pulling this group
together, we have a common voice,

2664
02:24:42,807 --> 02:24:46,377
and we are much more effective
at the legislature pushing back

2665
02:24:47,078 --> 02:24:51,449
or actually having a voice in the
conversation about utility taxation.

2666
02:24:51,449 --> 02:24:56,888
And probably now more than ever,
it's really not just about how utilities

2667
02:24:56,888 --> 02:24:59,891
and railroads and pipelines are taxed,
primarily utilities,

2668
02:25:00,224 --> 02:25:04,262
but it's also what can the state
do to assist the communities

2669
02:25:04,262 --> 02:25:05,463
that are going to be transitioning?

2670
02:25:05,463 --> 02:25:07,498
Because we'll be one of those.

2671
02:25:07,498 --> 02:25:10,034
So, the other thing I also wanted to
mention

2672
02:25:10,034 --> 02:25:14,806
is it's not unusual for the coal ash
utility cities.

2673
02:25:15,106 --> 02:25:17,308
I serve as a treasurer to boot.

2674
02:25:17,308 --> 02:25:22,647
They collect, they have a war chest,
so to speak, and we've set a level

2675
02:25:22,914 --> 02:25:26,417
that that war chest should never
that those resources should never be over

2676
02:25:26,417 --> 02:25:29,420
one years annual do so

2677
02:25:29,420 --> 02:25:34,092
for example, last year
our our dues were in that $50,000 range,

2678
02:25:34,092 --> 02:25:37,261
but we also received a check
back for 75,000.

2679
02:25:37,261 --> 02:25:38,496
So it's not

2680
02:25:39,530 --> 02:25:41,532
technically
it's that's what we're going to pay.

2681
02:25:41,532 --> 02:25:44,502
But we also
I just wanted to emphasize that

2682
02:25:44,869 --> 02:25:48,072
if we have too many resources,
we do on a routine basis

2683
02:25:48,072 --> 02:25:50,041
get substantial amounts back.

2684
02:25:50,041 --> 02:25:54,579
But so my question was more on
the Coalition of Greater Minnesota cities.

2685
02:25:54,912 --> 02:25:57,615
I understand the utilities,
but the coal, the other one, that

2686
02:25:57,615 --> 02:26:00,518
that's a bigger group and it's more
this is more like tape.

2687
02:26:00,518 --> 02:26:02,353
Yeah, I think you're right. Yep.
Thank you.

2688
02:26:02,353 --> 02:26:06,858
I think those that groups are important
because I respect the league.

2689
02:26:06,858 --> 02:26:11,162
I work with the league quite a bit
and the league

2690
02:26:11,162 --> 02:26:14,165
is great at

2691
02:26:14,632 --> 02:26:16,601
representing all cities.

2692
02:26:16,601 --> 02:26:19,370
But it's difficult for them to represent

2693
02:26:19,370 --> 02:26:22,740
and provide a voice for Greater Minnesota.

2694
02:26:22,740 --> 02:26:25,943
So what I think about often is,
I mean, it's probably

2695
02:26:25,943 --> 02:26:29,113
not even it's a probably
not a very well-kept, dirty little secret.

2696
02:26:29,580 --> 02:26:32,383
But like the Met Council, Minneapolis,
Saint Paul, Rochester,

2697
02:26:32,383 --> 02:26:36,254
they literally have lobbyists
at the Capitol all year. And

2698
02:26:37,688 --> 02:26:39,257
greater Minnesota

2699
02:26:39,257 --> 02:26:44,796
cities have needs that
only the GMC is the voice for those needs.

2700
02:26:44,796 --> 02:26:49,700
For example, transportation
funding is a is a big one because the Twin

2701
02:26:49,700 --> 02:26:53,070
Cities metro area could easily swallow up
all the transportation funding.

2702
02:26:53,738 --> 02:26:56,107
I think about more recent efforts

2703
02:26:56,107 --> 02:27:00,144
and I think about, EMS,
all the, issues with the EMS.

2704
02:27:00,178 --> 02:27:02,413
They are the voice for that.

2705
02:27:02,413 --> 02:27:07,952
They, represent greater
Minnesota cities concerns.

2706
02:27:07,952 --> 02:27:11,589
The only real voice.

2707
02:27:11,589 --> 02:27:14,959
And because they represent
little over 100 cities

2708
02:27:14,959 --> 02:27:17,962
outside the metro area,

2709
02:27:18,529 --> 02:27:20,832
they have sway with legislators.

2710
02:27:20,832 --> 02:27:23,835
Thank you.

2711
02:27:24,135 --> 02:27:24,702
Questions?

2712
02:27:24,702 --> 02:27:27,438
Comments?

2713
02:27:27,438 --> 02:27:29,407
Mayor.

2714
02:27:29,407 --> 02:27:32,743
The league offers us not only insurance

2715
02:27:32,743 --> 02:27:35,713
and maybe our administrator
because he's on their board.

2716
02:27:35,813 --> 02:27:38,182
Legal assistance.

2717
02:27:38,182 --> 02:27:41,185
What else do they offer us?

2718
02:27:41,419 --> 02:27:43,321
The city clerk training process.

2719
02:27:43,321 --> 02:27:48,192
The training for all of you as both newly
elected and and senior elected officials.

2720
02:27:48,826 --> 02:27:51,729
There's there's resources

2721
02:27:51,729 --> 02:27:54,899
in almost any area of city government
that they, they provide.

2722
02:27:54,899 --> 02:27:56,734
It's in the coalition.

2723
02:27:56,734 --> 02:27:58,736
Then basically they just lobby.

2724
02:28:01,472 --> 02:28:04,041
That's I wouldn't say they just lobby.

2725
02:28:04,041 --> 02:28:10,214
There's they they, support certain areas
is the way I would, I would put it for.

2726
02:28:10,214 --> 02:28:13,184
So for example, the other thing
that always comes to my mind is,

2727
02:28:13,684 --> 02:28:16,654
thinking about the,

2728
02:28:17,154 --> 02:28:20,157
the first part of this workshop
or talking about wastewater.

2729
02:28:20,591 --> 02:28:23,594
I mean, they are the people that,

2730
02:28:24,061 --> 02:28:27,765
go to bat for the towns like Ozark, us,
where they're going to be for

2731
02:28:27,832 --> 02:28:33,437
to put in 100 and $140 million system
like we were just talking about.

2732
02:28:33,671 --> 02:28:40,044
And they, advocate for those osages,
for example, like for,

2733
02:28:40,144 --> 02:28:43,581
against, the, the permitting process,

2734
02:28:43,581 --> 02:28:46,984
you know, taking things out of the permit
that don't need to be in there.

2735
02:28:46,984 --> 02:28:50,755
I mean, communities for example,
we live on the Mississippi.

2736
02:28:50,788 --> 02:28:51,822
We want to keep it clean, too.

2737
02:28:51,822 --> 02:28:54,292
But if that makes no scientific

2738
02:28:55,293 --> 02:28:56,460
sense,

2739
02:28:56,460 --> 02:28:59,497
to spend these, you know, $130 million,

2740
02:29:00,564 --> 02:29:03,935
somebody has got to have a voice
to push back on that kind of stuff, too.

2741
02:29:04,468 --> 02:29:07,738
I'm really hesitant to say they just lobby
because it's not

2742
02:29:08,139 --> 02:29:09,807
just a lobbying organization.

2743
02:29:09,807 --> 02:29:14,145
They're they do a lot of work
organizing those 100 communities.

2744
02:29:14,178 --> 02:29:16,814
I said, I'll just be blunt about it.

2745
02:29:16,814 --> 02:29:19,383
I'm the only finance guy
that's on the board.

2746
02:29:19,383 --> 02:29:20,484
It's all mayors.

2747
02:29:20,484 --> 02:29:23,120
So council
administrators, things of that type,

2748
02:29:23,120 --> 02:29:26,490
because they're trying to get a voice
for the things that are important

2749
02:29:26,490 --> 02:29:30,661
to greater Minnesota childcare, housing,
all those different programs

2750
02:29:30,661 --> 02:29:31,395
to get them funded.

2751
02:29:31,395 --> 02:29:36,067
The BPI,
which we've used previously to expand

2752
02:29:36,067 --> 02:29:40,237
industrial parks to provide
funding for, numerous different things.

2753
02:29:40,604 --> 02:29:43,874
And I understand, but I'm just looking at
it's more than double

2754
02:29:44,475 --> 02:29:45,376
what the league does.

2755
02:29:45,376 --> 02:29:48,379
And I think the league,
at least what I'm hearing now,

2756
02:29:48,879 --> 02:29:51,882
the league may be more of a benefit
for us.

2757
02:29:52,016 --> 02:29:53,017
I don't know.

2758
02:29:53,017 --> 02:29:55,987
I mean, obviously
everybody has a different view, but

2759
02:29:55,987 --> 02:29:58,823
I think the way I always think about it

2760
02:29:58,823 --> 02:30:03,427
is they're both great organizations
or they're complementary

2761
02:30:03,427 --> 02:30:08,065
because the league simply,
just by its membership

2762
02:30:08,065 --> 02:30:11,068
and through its policy committees, it's
that they,

2763
02:30:11,335 --> 02:30:14,238
they can't take a position on certain
sensitive subjects.

2764
02:30:14,238 --> 02:30:16,273
For example, the big one being LGA,

2765
02:30:17,608 --> 02:30:19,210
you know, after,

2766
02:30:19,210 --> 02:30:23,814
significant number of cities in Minnesota
receive LGA,

2767
02:30:23,814 --> 02:30:27,718
but primarily that core
urban area receives none.

2768
02:30:28,285 --> 02:30:32,790
So they can't advocate for things
where there's controversy

2769
02:30:32,790 --> 02:30:35,793
between greater Minnesota

2770
02:30:36,527 --> 02:30:39,563
and the more, urbanized areas.

2771
02:30:39,563 --> 02:30:42,767
And so they're just a great complement
to each other.

2772
02:30:43,100 --> 02:30:46,170
And they and you can see that, by the way,
they they work together

2773
02:30:46,170 --> 02:30:49,173
collectively
on a number of different issues.

2774
02:30:49,340 --> 02:30:50,674
Thank you.

2775
02:30:50,674 --> 02:30:52,143
So the metro's kind of like us.

2776
02:30:52,143 --> 02:30:55,146
They don't get any LGA speak of

2777
02:30:55,813 --> 02:30:57,915
for I mean generically that's a point.

2778
02:30:57,915 --> 02:31:01,118
I mean, I'm going to come from the
I mean, the cost of the greater

2779
02:31:01,118 --> 02:31:01,919
Minnesota cities.

2780
02:31:01,919 --> 02:31:05,089
And I've had the privilege
of attending both conferences

2781
02:31:05,556 --> 02:31:08,726
and, quite frankly, they're very similar.

2782
02:31:09,226 --> 02:31:12,229
And I enjoy going to both of them.

2783
02:31:12,530 --> 02:31:15,900
But, this seems like a pretty high cost

2784
02:31:16,233 --> 02:31:19,136
to some me and 1 or 2 other council people

2785
02:31:19,136 --> 02:31:22,139
to a, a conference for a couple of days.

2786
02:31:22,473 --> 02:31:26,077
Other than that, I don't, I don't,

2787
02:31:27,044 --> 02:31:28,379
I'm not involved with them at all.

2788
02:31:28,379 --> 02:31:31,882
So, I mean, I do enjoy going to the lake,

2789
02:31:31,882 --> 02:31:35,252
Minnesota cities and a lot of times
the subject matter is the same.

2790
02:31:35,953 --> 02:31:38,322
You know,
whether it's a daycare issues or what

2791
02:31:38,322 --> 02:31:41,959
have you that we, you know,
or cannabis or, or what have you.

2792
02:31:41,959 --> 02:31:46,063
So I mean, I would be okay
if we didn't continue

2793
02:31:46,063 --> 02:31:49,733
with our, membership, but the coalition
of Greater Minnesota Cities,

2794
02:31:50,868 --> 02:31:54,572
and to me, I don't, you know, the,

2795
02:31:55,072 --> 02:31:58,776
coalition of utility cities,
I don't know,

2796
02:31:58,776 --> 02:32:02,379
are they going to do anything to help us
with,

2797
02:32:04,215 --> 02:32:06,183
I mean, I'm not sure how they can help

2798
02:32:06,183 --> 02:32:09,854
Red Wing, to the tune of $51,000.

2799
02:32:09,854 --> 02:32:13,057
Yeah. So what would they do?

2800
02:32:13,057 --> 02:32:18,863
And this is a part of how they're due
schedule to set up their deuce schedule.

2801
02:32:18,863 --> 02:32:23,400
Set up a how much tax capacity
those, baseload plants have.

2802
02:32:23,400 --> 02:32:28,572
And in your community, Red Wing has
the highest basal value of any community.

2803
02:32:28,572 --> 02:32:30,508
So we pay the most in the state. Yeah.

2804
02:32:30,508 --> 02:32:33,077
So we pay more
than the other seven members.

2805
02:32:34,545 --> 02:32:37,581
They I just think about recently,

2806
02:32:38,182 --> 02:32:41,952
like setting up the Office
of Energy Transition, which is really,

2807
02:32:42,753 --> 02:32:45,189
helped us start

2808
02:32:45,189 --> 02:32:48,192
to develop a strategy for how to address,

2809
02:32:48,192 --> 02:32:52,696
when these baseload plants close ours
will close them at some point in time.

2810
02:32:53,597 --> 02:32:56,934
The Community Energy Transition
Grant program was a direct

2811
02:32:56,934 --> 02:33:02,039
result of efforts in, I want to say,
2020 or 2021 from this group.

2812
02:33:02,273 --> 02:33:06,143
We've recently received
$1 million grant out of that program.

2813
02:33:06,911 --> 02:33:09,914
And there's also this,

2814
02:33:09,914 --> 02:33:13,984
electric generation transition
aid that's set up,

2815
02:33:14,718 --> 02:33:18,155
as a direct result of the coalition,
the utility cities.

2816
02:33:18,155 --> 02:33:19,557
It's something out in our future.

2817
02:33:19,557 --> 02:33:22,560
So it's not something bright,
shiny and, oh, in front of you now.

2818
02:33:22,626 --> 02:33:25,663
But if the plant for
some reason closed tomorrow,

2819
02:33:27,031 --> 02:33:29,466
that program is going to pay us

2820
02:33:29,466 --> 02:33:34,305
100% of what the utility paid us
this year, and it's going to pay us

2821
02:33:34,305 --> 02:33:37,274
95% the 90 than the 85 than 80

2822
02:33:37,274 --> 02:33:39,944
rate us provides us a runway.

2823
02:33:39,944 --> 02:33:43,781
And it's the nature of the coalition
utility cities is

2824
02:33:44,548 --> 02:33:47,218
you don't necessarily
see this immediate result,

2825
02:33:47,218 --> 02:33:52,623
but the long term
benefit of the programing

2826
02:33:53,057 --> 02:33:56,026
and what we're trying to do
is of vital importance,

2827
02:33:56,026 --> 02:33:58,329
not only this community,
but all those other communities

2828
02:33:58,329 --> 02:34:01,932
that have these baseload plants
that need to address these transitions.

2829
02:34:02,233 --> 02:34:06,971
But Marshall, would we still get that
if we weren't paying $51,000 next year?

2830
02:34:07,304 --> 02:34:10,741
I doubt it, no,
I would say you weren't because

2831
02:34:11,675 --> 02:34:15,546
pretty been established plug or I'm sorry,
is that already been established?

2832
02:34:16,313 --> 02:34:18,582
The transition.

2833
02:34:18,582 --> 02:34:19,316
Yeah.

2834
02:34:19,316 --> 02:34:23,354
The the that electric generation
transition aid program

2835
02:34:23,454 --> 02:34:25,189
has been established. Okay.

2836
02:34:25,189 --> 02:34:26,624
But Neil,

2837
02:34:26,624 --> 02:34:29,994
I think you'll learn really quickly
is what the what the legislature give it.

2838
02:34:29,994 --> 02:34:31,495
They can take it away.

2839
02:34:31,495 --> 02:34:35,165
So there's always going to be that need
pressing need to have a voice up there

2840
02:34:35,165 --> 02:34:38,836
to continue to keep these programs
in place or to get them funded.

2841
02:34:39,637 --> 02:34:41,205
I guess where I'm coming from is

2842
02:34:42,506 --> 02:34:43,140
this is running

2843
02:34:43,140 --> 02:34:46,143
us, and there's what,
five members in this organization

2844
02:34:46,277 --> 02:34:49,880
say there's seven,
seven, 7 or 8 communities.

2845
02:34:50,314 --> 02:34:53,284
Okay.

2846
02:34:53,284 --> 02:34:57,254
It, seven, including seven,
including Red wing right now.

2847
02:34:57,254 --> 02:35:00,224
Yeah. That's right, 1000 a year.

2848
02:35:00,224 --> 02:35:04,495
And plant is up for a renewal to 54.

2849
02:35:05,062 --> 02:35:08,932
We're looking at the shy of a million
and a half dollars in just membership

2850
02:35:09,667 --> 02:35:11,969
to be part of that group at 51,000 a year

2851
02:35:11,969 --> 02:35:14,972
for the next 26, eight years, or whatever
it is,

2852
02:35:16,173 --> 02:35:17,975
it's going to run us about a million
and a half dollars.

2853
02:35:17,975 --> 02:35:18,709
Really?

2854
02:35:18,709 --> 02:35:18,976
Yeah.

2855
02:35:18,976 --> 02:35:21,412
I mean, I can't I'm not
I don't have a crystal ball.

2856
02:35:21,412 --> 02:35:25,849
I can't tell you what the issues
are going to be, because the fees

2857
02:35:26,517 --> 02:35:31,088
that you have to remember
the are only point out that

2858
02:35:32,022 --> 02:35:35,359
the dues are a reflection
of what the action plan is like.

2859
02:35:35,359 --> 02:35:36,960
What do we need to get accomplished.

2860
02:35:36,960 --> 02:35:40,331
So those have been higher
and in recent years,

2861
02:35:40,331 --> 02:35:44,835
and they have in the past
because we've got we need a lot more,

2862
02:35:44,935 --> 02:35:48,272
traction, a lot more hours,
a lot more work

2863
02:35:49,173 --> 02:35:52,209
to not only protect these programs,
but to get them established.

2864
02:35:52,710 --> 02:35:55,512
So is 50,000 normal?

2865
02:35:55,512 --> 02:35:56,447
It's a no.

2866
02:35:56,447 --> 02:36:00,551
But I'm not going to tell you
that it's in a typical year.

2867
02:36:00,551 --> 02:36:04,121
It's the League of Minnesota cities
that, you know, basically 18,000.

2868
02:36:04,154 --> 02:36:06,957
It is more expensive than that.

2869
02:36:06,957 --> 02:36:09,326
And about three times,
what is the difference

2870
02:36:09,326 --> 02:36:13,364
between the coalition of utility cities
and the nuclear waste or energy coalition?

2871
02:36:13,397 --> 02:36:18,569
The nuclear waste strategy Coalition
is the only municipal member of it.

2872
02:36:19,436 --> 02:36:20,804
But it's,

2873
02:36:21,739 --> 02:36:24,742
it includes folks like Xcel.

2874
02:36:25,075 --> 02:36:28,212
Atomic Energy,

2875
02:36:28,245 --> 02:36:32,683
and those other huge,
large industrial players

2876
02:36:33,250 --> 02:36:37,154
that, like us, have a concern about what's
going to happen once that nuclear fuel.

2877
02:36:37,154 --> 02:36:41,325
So it's, a quick avenue to, to learn
what's going on.

2878
02:36:42,126 --> 02:36:45,629
You know, that side of the industry,
what's going on at the NRC,

2879
02:36:45,629 --> 02:36:50,200
what's going on at Congress
related to, spent nuclear

2880
02:36:50,200 --> 02:36:53,337
fuel and conceivably,
its ultimate disposal.

2881
02:36:54,304 --> 02:36:56,440
So that's what that basically is.

2882
02:36:56,440 --> 02:36:59,443
Any other comments, questions?

2883
02:37:02,312 --> 02:37:04,014
I'm not sure how
we want to tackle this one.

2884
02:37:04,014 --> 02:37:04,615
Maybe.

2885
02:37:04,615 --> 02:37:08,886
Is it okay, mayor if I start on that side
again, if anyone's interested in kind of

2886
02:37:10,387 --> 02:37:13,457
taking away or a membership,

2887
02:37:13,457 --> 02:37:16,460
I don't know if that's probably not
the right wording, but

2888
02:37:16,660 --> 02:37:17,661
the,

2889
02:37:19,530 --> 02:37:23,066
coalition of utility cities, it seems that

2890
02:37:24,168 --> 02:37:27,471
the plant's going to be operational
till 2054,

2891
02:37:28,605 --> 02:37:33,343
and we're paying the most
just because it's based on some

2892
02:37:33,977 --> 02:37:37,781
who generates the most doesn't mean
we get more out of it.

2893
02:37:37,781 --> 02:37:41,618
I would I would be fine
if we weren't a member of that

2894
02:37:42,286 --> 02:37:44,788
and the coalition of Greater Minnesota
Cities.

2895
02:37:44,788 --> 02:37:47,791
I went to that, meeting with,

2896
02:37:48,192 --> 02:37:49,460
our council president,

2897
02:37:49,460 --> 02:37:53,330
and it was a couple of hours in
and we go to our legislators

2898
02:37:53,330 --> 02:37:56,733
and, you know, lobby for our legislators,
which we can do at any time.

2899
02:37:57,234 --> 02:37:59,970
I'm open on that. I just

2900
02:37:59,970 --> 02:38:03,040
I don't see where
we're getting a bigger benefit from that

2901
02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:04,875
than we would
from the League of Minnesota.

2902
02:38:04,875 --> 02:38:07,845
Cities.

2903
02:38:09,880 --> 02:38:11,281
As I'm looking over the,

2904
02:38:12,382 --> 02:38:14,351
the report here, I

2905
02:38:14,351 --> 02:38:17,354
notice on the Coalition of Utility cities,

2906
02:38:17,387 --> 02:38:22,392
the last line of recent accomplishments,
the city of Red Wing recently received

2907
02:38:22,392 --> 02:38:25,395
$1 million award.

2908
02:38:26,563 --> 02:38:28,732
As a direct result of being a member

2909
02:38:28,732 --> 02:38:31,735
of the Coalition of Utility Cities.

2910
02:38:34,438 --> 02:38:36,473
So I'm I'm struggling

2911
02:38:36,473 --> 02:38:37,608
to kind of figure out.

2912
02:38:37,608 --> 02:38:41,078
If we got $1 million.

2913
02:38:41,578 --> 02:38:43,947
So we kick them to the curb.

2914
02:38:43,947 --> 02:38:46,049
I mean, I, I don't I'm,

2915
02:38:46,049 --> 02:38:49,653
you know, I'm just saying it
like in the common vernacular,

2916
02:38:49,653 --> 02:38:55,359
but I think, I haven't given enough
thought or consideration to any of these.

2917
02:38:55,359 --> 02:38:58,795
So at this point, I'm not willing to say,
let's don't do any of them.

2918
02:38:58,795 --> 02:39:02,332
I really appreciate the regular
and consistent communication

2919
02:39:02,332 --> 02:39:05,102
we get from the Coalition of Greater
Minnesota Cities.

2920
02:39:05,102 --> 02:39:08,438
I've done some of the things
that they have sponsored, including the,

2921
02:39:08,438 --> 02:39:12,409
the housing summit that I went to
in Rochester, which was really helpful.

2922
02:39:13,076 --> 02:39:17,247
And I really appreciate and learned
so much from that investment of my time

2923
02:39:17,414 --> 02:39:18,315
and going down there.

2924
02:39:18,315 --> 02:39:21,618
So I think they offer some unique things
that aren't.

2925
02:39:21,818 --> 02:39:26,490
So, that and they're thinking about
greater Minnesota cities

2926
02:39:27,524 --> 02:39:29,293
more because

2927
02:39:29,293 --> 02:39:32,029
our concerns a lot of times are different
than the metro.

2928
02:39:32,029 --> 02:39:35,198
And, and I think I heard
Marshall say the words like

2929
02:39:35,465 --> 02:39:38,669
sometimes are those funds
will get gobbled up by the metro.

2930
02:39:38,802 --> 02:39:41,872
And so we do need advocates
that are doing that.

2931
02:39:42,539 --> 02:39:46,176
So I'm not in a position to say that
I think that this one should go

2932
02:39:46,176 --> 02:39:47,210
or this one should stay.

2933
02:39:47,210 --> 02:39:51,448
I haven't given enough thought,
but I'm struck by the million dollars

2934
02:39:51,448 --> 02:39:55,118
that we got as a direct result
of being on the utilities city.

2935
02:39:55,118 --> 02:39:57,254
So I'm going to say

2936
02:39:57,254 --> 02:40:00,223
I'm going to leave it just as it is.

2937
02:40:02,292 --> 02:40:03,460
Any thoughts? Kim.

2938
02:40:03,460 --> 02:40:04,928
All right.

2939
02:40:04,928 --> 02:40:07,831
Having been here the longest of everyone,

2940
02:40:07,831 --> 02:40:10,734
this,
I see the benefits of each one of them.

2941
02:40:10,734 --> 02:40:13,403
Some of them are more in one year
than the next.

2942
02:40:13,403 --> 02:40:17,374
There is a definite difference
between the League of Minnesota cities

2943
02:40:17,374 --> 02:40:19,276
and the Coalition of Greater
Minnesota cities

2944
02:40:19,276 --> 02:40:23,080
and what they bring to offer
and who they represent and how they do it.

2945
02:40:25,482 --> 02:40:25,916
But the

2946
02:40:25,916 --> 02:40:29,953
only one which is the most reasonable one
we have, that overlaps

2947
02:40:29,953 --> 02:40:33,323
in many areas is the Southeast Minnesota
League of Municipalities.

2948
02:40:33,890 --> 02:40:35,626
But it's 50 bucks.

2949
02:40:35,626 --> 02:40:38,629
So why would you stay a member?

2950
02:40:39,763 --> 02:40:41,064
And I'm not saying that

2951
02:40:41,064 --> 02:40:44,067
because I'm currently the president.

2952
02:40:46,770 --> 02:40:49,673
That's,

2953
02:40:49,673 --> 02:40:50,807
we were going to drop one.

2954
02:40:50,807 --> 02:40:53,810
That would be the one I would say to drop,
but it doesn't cost us anything.

2955
02:40:54,244 --> 02:40:55,912
Hardly. For what they do.

2956
02:40:55,912 --> 02:40:59,049
And they have done,
some good things in the last few years

2957
02:40:59,049 --> 02:41:03,520
with, EMS and also, waste.

2958
02:41:07,024 --> 02:41:10,227
Utility, training
that they're getting set up.

2959
02:41:10,360 --> 02:41:13,363
And so.

2960
02:41:15,165 --> 02:41:17,801
Those I think are important to our city.

2961
02:41:17,801 --> 02:41:21,238
All of them represent a different aspect.

2962
02:41:22,973 --> 02:41:25,275
Even though they do overlap
a little bit, they have,

2963
02:41:26,476 --> 02:41:28,712
enough uniqueness that

2964
02:41:28,712 --> 02:41:31,715
I would stay in,

2965
02:41:33,950 --> 02:41:36,620
I think the one I,

2966
02:41:36,620 --> 02:41:39,623
I question
is coalition of utilities, cities.

2967
02:41:41,725 --> 02:41:44,327
I don't know

2968
02:41:44,327 --> 02:41:46,163
that there's that much value added.

2969
02:41:46,163 --> 02:41:50,267
Particularly since their license is gone,
it's going to be renewed.

2970
02:41:50,267 --> 02:41:54,604
So, that would be
if we're going to eliminate one,

2971
02:41:54,604 --> 02:41:57,607
that would be the one I would eliminate.

2972
02:42:00,977 --> 02:42:02,145
I guess I'll go next.

2973
02:42:02,145 --> 02:42:03,714
I guess that's for we've done.

2974
02:42:03,714 --> 02:42:06,817
I just say again,
it's shocking to know that we spent over

2975
02:42:06,817 --> 02:42:10,120
$100,000 on senior memberships
when we could be doing that,

2976
02:42:10,120 --> 02:42:14,658
and in my eyes, fire greater things,
maybe right here in Red wing.

2977
02:42:14,658 --> 02:42:18,161
And so, I mean, I again, I know that
they're doing really good things.

2978
02:42:18,161 --> 02:42:21,531
I gone to a lot of them,
but I really would like us to see again

2979
02:42:21,531 --> 02:42:24,534
with the long term things
we have going on the wastewater plant.

2980
02:42:24,701 --> 02:42:28,071
I think some people want to that
law enforcement center discussion today.

2981
02:42:28,071 --> 02:42:31,975
I really worry about the budget
being at a right size level.

2982
02:42:31,975 --> 02:42:36,213
And so I honestly would like us
to consider getting rid of the coalition

2983
02:42:36,213 --> 02:42:39,182
and the coalition of utility studies
and see what that would mean.

2984
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:41,752
And had that be a proposal,

2985
02:42:41,752 --> 02:42:46,022
possibly that still this year, I just
I see a lot of overlap.

2986
02:42:46,022 --> 02:42:50,026
And, I think Excel is going to be
where it's at for a while.

2987
02:42:50,026 --> 02:42:53,530
And I just would like to see
what 1 or 2 years of that savings

2988
02:42:53,530 --> 02:42:56,533
would bring.

2989
02:42:57,968 --> 02:42:58,201
Yeah.

2990
02:42:58,201 --> 02:43:00,403
I'm kind of, along the same lines.

2991
02:43:00,403 --> 02:43:05,175
I mean, I,
I had no concerns about the coalition

2992
02:43:05,175 --> 02:43:06,877
of greater Minnesota cities
when I attended.

2993
02:43:06,877 --> 02:43:09,312
I just think that it's a lot of money.

2994
02:43:09,312 --> 02:43:10,013
For what?

2995
02:43:10,013 --> 02:43:11,715
I can see. Bring them.

2996
02:43:11,715 --> 02:43:14,684
I don't see where there's $1 million.

2997
02:43:14,684 --> 02:43:15,318
It wasn't it.

2998
02:43:15,318 --> 02:43:17,854
I didn't see it in my packet anyway.

2999
02:43:17,854 --> 02:43:18,555
Last night.

3000
02:43:18,555 --> 02:43:20,690
Are you familiar with that?

3001
02:43:20,690 --> 02:43:22,425
Page ten.

3002
02:43:22,425 --> 02:43:24,027
Page ten.

3003
02:43:24,027 --> 02:43:26,029
What did we get $1 million for?

3004
02:43:26,029 --> 02:43:29,266
That's what,
Marshall was referring to. The,

3005
02:43:30,400 --> 02:43:32,169
in 2020 or 2021, they

3006
02:43:32,169 --> 02:43:35,939
fund, established the,
energy transition.

3007
02:43:36,139 --> 02:43:39,242
And yes,
Monticello got some initial grants.

3008
02:43:39,242 --> 02:43:42,279
And we finally, were asked to apply

3009
02:43:42,312 --> 02:43:45,315
and get that grant in 2024.

3010
02:43:45,382 --> 02:43:49,152
And that's the beginnings of that's
a coalition use utility cities, right?

3011
02:43:49,486 --> 02:43:51,988
They were instrumental
in setting up the program

3012
02:43:51,988 --> 02:43:56,359
and then the legislature,
funded the program in 2022 or 2023.

3013
02:43:56,359 --> 02:43:58,395
And then we got the grant in 2024.

3014
02:43:58,395 --> 02:44:01,865
So it's it's all tied into

3015
02:44:02,265 --> 02:44:05,235
what the what
the coalition of utility cities

3016
02:44:05,368 --> 02:44:09,005
lobbying for back into the ability
is not greater Minnesota cities.

3017
02:44:09,005 --> 02:44:10,407
Correct? Correct.

3018
02:44:10,407 --> 02:44:12,776
Okay. Yeah.

3019
02:44:12,776 --> 02:44:14,978
And I think you mentioned Vicki

3020
02:44:14,978 --> 02:44:17,981
the coalition of Greater Minnesota cities

3021
02:44:18,849 --> 02:44:20,584
when you made that statement.

3022
02:44:20,584 --> 02:44:23,253
No, I said the Coalition of Utilities
and Utilities.

3023
02:44:23,253 --> 02:44:25,822
Okay. Then I misunderstood. I apologize.

3024
02:44:25,822 --> 02:44:28,191
So, I mean, I could I could see us

3025
02:44:28,191 --> 02:44:31,995
saving the almost $37,000,

3026
02:44:33,463 --> 02:44:37,500
at this point, and I did.

3027
02:44:39,736 --> 02:44:40,937
I mean, I struggle, I struggle

3028
02:44:40,937 --> 02:44:45,275
with because I think,
I think the, the cost for the coalition

3029
02:44:45,275 --> 02:44:49,246
of utility cities
is I mean, that's going to come every year

3030
02:44:49,813 --> 02:44:53,316
and we're going to have a plant
for utility

3031
02:44:53,316 --> 02:44:56,319
for to 2050 for.

3032
02:44:56,887 --> 02:45:00,223
So the community is going to spend
a lot of money on a membership

3033
02:45:00,223 --> 02:45:03,727
that for the most part,
I don't know what else they can do.

3034
02:45:04,561 --> 02:45:07,664
I mean is, unless somebody can answer that
question, where do we get

3035
02:45:07,664 --> 02:45:11,134
$51,000 rather than benefit,
other than, yeah, I'm good.

3036
02:45:11,668 --> 02:45:12,969
If you give me two seconds, I'm

3037
02:45:12,969 --> 02:45:16,072
glad you did, because I feel like
I owe the community of biology because

3038
02:45:17,107 --> 02:45:20,110
what the coalition of utility cities does

3039
02:45:20,677 --> 02:45:23,113
is protects
the tax base that currently exists.

3040
02:45:23,113 --> 02:45:26,082
Yes, the plant will be there
until the end of license.

3041
02:45:26,249 --> 02:45:29,953
What will the taxable value,
what taxes roll up will actually

3042
02:45:30,553 --> 02:45:31,721
come to the community?

3043
02:45:33,023 --> 02:45:34,491
That's to be determined.

3044
02:45:34,491 --> 02:45:38,495
The the Coalition to Utility Cities
is that voice that pushes back

3045
02:45:38,495 --> 02:45:41,665
against legislative or agency actions
or anything else

3046
02:45:41,665 --> 02:45:45,101
that affects the utility valuations.

3047
02:45:45,101 --> 02:45:47,971
Hence the taxes that community receives.

3048
02:45:47,971 --> 02:45:51,374
And just to live in theaters for 25 years,
there have been,

3049
02:45:51,775 --> 02:45:57,314
so many instances where it going.

3050
02:45:57,314 --> 02:45:59,382
The coalition
utility says because of the way

3051
02:45:59,382 --> 02:46:03,887
its membership is constituted,
has been able to push back

3052
02:46:03,887 --> 02:46:09,326
and get legislation either
changed, redirected, have ANC efforts

3053
02:46:09,626 --> 02:46:13,229
reviewed to protect the tax base
that we have.

3054
02:46:13,463 --> 02:46:14,998
Just keep saying this.

3055
02:46:14,998 --> 02:46:19,669
And I apologize,
but if l Excel has a sniffle

3056
02:46:19,836 --> 02:46:23,907
for laying in bed with pneumonia,
the implication

3057
02:46:23,907 --> 02:46:27,143
of a small change on utility
value has immense ripple

3058
02:46:27,143 --> 02:46:30,981
effects across this entire community,
because they are such a huge part

3059
02:46:31,881 --> 02:46:34,084
of our tax base, but basically

3060
02:46:34,084 --> 02:46:37,087
50, 45 to 40% of our tax base.

3061
02:46:37,320 --> 02:46:38,855
And they have a very

3062
02:46:39,823 --> 02:46:41,291
well-respected,

3063
02:46:41,291 --> 02:46:43,960
business purpose of having their taxes
reduced.

3064
02:46:43,960 --> 02:46:46,963
It's something they do
each and every year.

3065
02:46:47,464 --> 02:46:50,467
This is kind of your,

3066
02:46:51,968 --> 02:46:54,537
this, membership

3067
02:46:54,537 --> 02:46:59,376
really is an investment in maintaining
keeping that tax base.

3068
02:47:00,110 --> 02:47:01,511
Can I ask a follow?

3069
02:47:01,511 --> 02:47:03,613
So does Goodhue County and the school

3070
02:47:03,613 --> 02:47:06,883
district pay it all for that because it
obviously affects on the tax impact?

3071
02:47:07,417 --> 02:47:12,422
No, they do not because it's
a coalition of utilities cities and the in

3072
02:47:12,422 --> 02:47:16,960
the question comes up because it's come up
before we've talked about it

3073
02:47:18,395 --> 02:47:20,964
is do we offer

3074
02:47:20,964 --> 02:47:23,833
do we make the membership broader.

3075
02:47:23,833 --> 02:47:28,071
But then the cities lose control
over their specific issues,

3076
02:47:28,071 --> 02:47:30,974
or they get watered down
because the counties come in

3077
02:47:30,974 --> 02:47:33,977
and they want to just
they tend to want to take over everything.

3078
02:47:34,377 --> 02:47:36,613
And the school
district has a different set of,

3079
02:47:37,747 --> 02:47:42,485
of, concerns, obviously,
because they're on the per pupil formula.

3080
02:47:42,485 --> 02:47:47,357
So it's just a we've talked about it,
but we have expanded that membership.

3081
02:47:47,690 --> 02:47:49,125
Okay.

3082
02:47:49,125 --> 02:47:52,095
Ron, you want to comment,

3083
02:47:52,162 --> 02:47:54,664
as far as utility cities goes,
I think, you know,

3084
02:47:54,664 --> 02:47:58,401
maybe we should wait until we have,
you know, a firm answer that.

3085
02:47:58,401 --> 02:48:00,370
Yes, they're going to re license.

3086
02:48:00,370 --> 02:48:03,406
They're actually going to go through
because they have not received their NRC

3087
02:48:04,441 --> 02:48:07,610
yet. They also, you know, once
you get the NRC approval,

3088
02:48:07,610 --> 02:48:10,880
it's going to come back to, to excel,
you know, and here's the here's

3089
02:48:10,880 --> 02:48:14,217
what we have to do to operate
for those additional 20 years.

3090
02:48:14,517 --> 02:48:17,520
Then they have to go to the Public
Utilities Commission

3091
02:48:17,587 --> 02:48:20,323
and say, okay, here's
what it's going to cost us.

3092
02:48:20,323 --> 02:48:23,193
Are you going to go,
let us have rate return,

3093
02:48:23,193 --> 02:48:25,395
in order to and make a profit on this.

3094
02:48:25,395 --> 02:48:27,297
And if they can't make a profit, you know,

3095
02:48:28,331 --> 02:48:30,667
they would maybe would say no.

3096
02:48:30,667 --> 02:48:34,471
So the one thing
the issue I have with, with

3097
02:48:34,471 --> 02:48:37,574
this is I'm a live within your means guy.

3098
02:48:37,574 --> 02:48:40,777
So the way I look at Red Wing
and the way Red Wing

3099
02:48:40,777 --> 02:48:44,314
has spent money over the past,
the money coming from the nuclear plant,

3100
02:48:44,948 --> 02:48:50,653
we've installed a lot more infrastructure
and parks and trails and everything else

3101
02:48:50,987 --> 02:48:56,192
that other cities our size
can't because they're not a utility city.

3102
02:48:56,759 --> 02:48:58,895
Right? So what we're asking
is where we want to go.

3103
02:48:58,895 --> 02:49:02,065
We want to continue to have
a spending binge for 20 more years.

3104
02:49:02,465 --> 02:49:05,468
And then once the plant's done
and we know it's going to be done,

3105
02:49:05,668 --> 02:49:07,670
then we want somebody to wean us off.

3106
02:49:07,670 --> 02:49:09,105
And I just have a hard time with that.

3107
02:49:09,105 --> 02:49:09,372
I think

3108
02:49:09,372 --> 02:49:12,575
you should take care of your own city
and not have everybody else in the state

3109
02:49:13,243 --> 02:49:14,677
having to, to wean you off.

3110
02:49:14,677 --> 02:49:18,548
So but I think maybe it's premature to,
to say

3111
02:49:18,581 --> 02:49:21,818
get rid of that one just until we have,
you know, the think is dry

3112
02:49:21,818 --> 02:49:25,155
and that the things with relicensing.

3113
02:49:26,156 --> 02:49:27,824
And as far as the

3114
02:49:27,824 --> 02:49:32,595
coalition of greater Minnesota cities, I'm
not sure if of almost $37,000 a year.

3115
02:49:32,595 --> 02:49:36,266
I mean, obviously the biggest one for me
is I think of the EMS stuff,

3116
02:49:36,499 --> 02:49:40,937
you know, if they're able to do anything
to help us start plugging the holes in

3117
02:49:40,937 --> 02:49:44,407
or getting this service,
you know, our ambulance service,

3118
02:49:44,841 --> 02:49:48,178
but I don't I'm not sure
if you know that $37,000 would be

3119
02:49:48,178 --> 02:49:51,548
better invested just using in our current
ambulance service.

3120
02:49:51,548 --> 02:49:55,985
So I'll go with whatever
everybody else wants to do with that one.

3121
02:49:56,619 --> 02:50:00,690
I think the League of Minnesota Cities
is is a pretty big advocate for EMS,

3122
02:50:00,690 --> 02:50:03,693
certainly not.

3123
02:50:03,693 --> 02:50:05,028
Yeah. Please do.

3124
02:50:05,028 --> 02:50:05,595
Yeah. Thank you.

3125
02:50:05,595 --> 02:50:09,065
So not necessarily
because not all cities have an ambulance.

3126
02:50:09,566 --> 02:50:12,569
And the there is a Minnesota
Ambulance Association.

3127
02:50:12,702 --> 02:50:16,773
But the president of that is a private
or hospital based ambulance.

3128
02:50:16,906 --> 02:50:21,377
So really the only voice
we have inside of that for the legislation

3129
02:50:21,544 --> 02:50:26,049
for our community in our towns
is the greater Minnesota cities. So.

3130
02:50:31,721 --> 02:50:32,021
All right.

3131
02:50:32,021 --> 02:50:33,289
I think we heard from everybody.

3132
02:50:33,289 --> 02:50:36,159
Do you want to
I know we're getting we're at 759.

3133
02:50:36,159 --> 02:50:38,795
Not that we can finish by eight,
but do we want to kind of give

3134
02:50:38,795 --> 02:50:43,099
a final wrap up again
on Levy current status I know Chris,

3135
02:50:43,099 --> 02:50:44,834
I don't know if you want to

3136
02:50:44,834 --> 02:50:47,570
do this after that,
but just kind of we did have maybe a plan

3137
02:50:47,570 --> 02:50:50,073
for kind of taking items
we talked about tonight,

3138
02:50:50,073 --> 02:50:52,075
and then how could we bring that
to a next meeting

3139
02:50:52,075 --> 02:50:54,544
so we can get again,
kind of another update on the budget.

3140
02:50:54,544 --> 02:50:56,746
Do you want to talk about that first
or should we go to the levy.

3141
02:50:56,746 --> 02:50:58,815
Let's go to the stuff okay.

3142
02:50:58,815 --> 02:51:01,784
Current status.

3143
02:51:02,051 --> 02:51:02,385
All right.

3144
02:51:02,385 --> 02:51:05,154
So after a couple of hours here,

3145
02:51:07,624 --> 02:51:10,593
Where we're at currently,

3146
02:51:10,593 --> 02:51:12,562
we're in we're in very good shape

3147
02:51:12,562 --> 02:51:15,732
with where you wanted us to be

3148
02:51:16,399 --> 02:51:19,035
when we started with this back in June.

3149
02:51:19,035 --> 02:51:22,872
And then throughout this process
in August and in September.

3150
02:51:23,273 --> 02:51:25,174
Sorry, I don't have my mic on.

3151
02:51:25,174 --> 02:51:29,078
So coming into tonight
with all those administrative changes

3152
02:51:29,078 --> 02:51:32,081
and other things, factored in,

3153
02:51:32,282 --> 02:51:35,718
we sat at a 3.25% levy increase.

3154
02:51:36,619 --> 02:51:39,889
One thing that is not shown here is
we were also able

3155
02:51:39,889 --> 02:51:44,594
to reduce the fund balance draw
to just below $1 million.

3156
02:51:45,895 --> 02:51:49,465
So a reduction to the good on

3157
02:51:50,133 --> 02:51:52,669
I think the two main key metrics

3158
02:51:52,669 --> 02:51:56,706
that you all have decisions to make on,

3159
02:51:56,706 --> 02:51:59,909
with a few additional things
from tonight,

3160
02:52:00,677 --> 02:52:03,012
I think it's reasonable to say we could

3161
02:52:04,080 --> 02:52:06,382
make a slight reduction

3162
02:52:06,382 --> 02:52:11,654
that you all are comfortable with
to the levy, getting it closer to the 3%,

3163
02:52:11,654 --> 02:52:15,358
and then also reducing that fund balance
to even further.

3164
02:52:15,992 --> 02:52:18,661
The big question would be

3165
02:52:18,661 --> 02:52:21,164
to what degree

3166
02:52:21,164 --> 02:52:22,932
do we want to make
some of those reductions?

3167
02:52:22,932 --> 02:52:26,469
I think the things I was adding up
in my head was,

3168
02:52:27,804 --> 02:52:30,807
reduction of the performance pay.

3169
02:52:30,873 --> 02:52:33,876
We were looking at probably 154,000.

3170
02:52:33,876 --> 02:52:36,079
That's going to be

3171
02:52:36,079 --> 02:52:38,014
now, that's going to be citywide.

3172
02:52:38,014 --> 02:52:41,017
So probably a levy impact of around 100.

3173
02:52:41,384 --> 02:52:44,387
There.

3174
02:52:45,288 --> 02:52:50,259
The reduction of the one position that's
going to be around a 10th of a percent.

3175
02:52:50,259 --> 02:52:53,696
So the real question is to
what degree do you want us to

3176
02:52:54,797 --> 02:52:57,867
further
draw down the levy from the 3 to 5%

3177
02:52:57,867 --> 02:53:00,069
we came into the
night with, and then the rest

3178
02:53:01,504 --> 02:53:02,505
being spent on the fund

3179
02:53:02,505 --> 02:53:05,508
balance towards the really big,

3180
02:53:05,508 --> 02:53:06,109
big question.

3181
02:53:06,109 --> 02:53:09,112
I think we would have.

3182
02:53:09,312 --> 02:53:12,348
So you could provide general responses
to that right now,

3183
02:53:12,348 --> 02:53:15,718
but it actually is a perfect segway
to what we talked about earlier today.

3184
02:53:15,718 --> 02:53:18,121
We could so we've got it.

3185
02:53:18,121 --> 02:53:20,690
I don't know if the actual schedule it's
in, the actual staff report,

3186
02:53:20,690 --> 02:53:25,194
the remaining two meetings are the, the,

3187
02:53:25,428 --> 02:53:29,198
special meeting, truth and taxation
meeting on December 1st

3188
02:53:29,198 --> 02:53:33,169
and the City Council regular meeting,
the adoption of the levy on December 8th.

3189
02:53:34,237 --> 02:53:36,105
We do have,

3190
02:53:36,105 --> 02:53:38,908
obviously council meeting next Monday
and then following,

3191
02:53:38,908 --> 02:53:43,946
second meeting in November
is the 24th 24. Yes.

3192
02:53:44,614 --> 02:53:49,185
So I don't think we'd have,
an easy turnaround for next Monday.

3193
02:53:49,185 --> 02:53:50,086
Maybe it could be,

3194
02:53:50,086 --> 02:53:54,757
but we could kind of recalculate
and look at the impacts of these

3195
02:53:54,757 --> 02:53:58,027
for either next Monday
or for sure by the 24th,

3196
02:53:58,561 --> 02:54:02,999
and bring back not the entire budget,
but just some.

3197
02:54:02,999 --> 02:54:04,066
Here's where we're at.

3198
02:54:04,066 --> 02:54:08,004
Update if you
if you wanted to see that rather than

3199
02:54:09,372 --> 02:54:12,442
just crossing your fingers and
waiting for the truth and taxation meeting

3200
02:54:13,109 --> 02:54:15,711
so I mean,
I think it'd be really appropriate

3201
02:54:15,711 --> 02:54:17,246
to have something on the 24th

3202
02:54:17,246 --> 02:54:20,249
so that we're going into the December
meeting with a pretty,

3203
02:54:20,783 --> 02:54:23,453
you know, again, confident,

3204
02:54:23,453 --> 02:54:26,689
clear, you know, idea
on what the budget's going to look like.

3205
02:54:26,689 --> 02:54:29,459
So I know I want that,
but what what do others think.

3206
02:54:29,459 --> 02:54:32,995
What what kind of do people need I,
I want that on the 24th.

3207
02:54:35,698 --> 02:54:37,600
I have a question

3208
02:54:37,600 --> 02:54:40,603
on the, firefighters position.

3209
02:54:40,937 --> 02:54:43,172
Is it 1 or 2?

3210
02:54:43,172 --> 02:54:45,041
Is that decided on? Okay.

3211
02:54:45,041 --> 02:54:48,044
Thank you.

3212
02:54:49,745 --> 02:54:50,179
Yes, please.

3213
02:54:50,179 --> 02:54:54,851
Any update that we can get is always
helpful whenever, whenever it's available.

3214
02:54:55,318 --> 02:54:58,154
I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

3215
02:54:58,154 --> 02:55:02,024
Other comments or questions
I'll say an update on like where we're at

3216
02:55:02,024 --> 02:55:05,328
with the levy, with the reductions
that were brought forth tonight.

3217
02:55:06,262 --> 02:55:08,865
And then you know, you're talking about
like fund balance.

3218
02:55:08,865 --> 02:55:10,500
Now draw and fund balance down so much.

3219
02:55:10,500 --> 02:55:12,034
So maybe some information on,

3220
02:55:13,236 --> 02:55:14,136
you know,

3221
02:55:14,136 --> 02:55:17,840
if we bring it down with just a balance
and and keep our the fund balance

3222
02:55:18,341 --> 02:55:21,377
the way it is, you know
and what we get down

3223
02:55:21,377 --> 02:55:24,447
to with the levy and then we can go
from there to see, okay.

3224
02:55:24,447 --> 02:55:27,450
If we, we didn't do as much fund balance

3225
02:55:27,783 --> 02:55:30,386
to bring it down,
you know, to get it back to.

3226
02:55:30,386 --> 02:55:32,388
Yeah.
I understand what you're saying. Yeah.

3227
02:55:32,388 --> 02:55:33,089
That's fair.

3228
02:55:33,089 --> 02:55:37,126
It's almost on like page 11 where you have
all the different proposals and budget.

3229
02:55:37,126 --> 02:55:41,063
If we could have another little bracket
with, like, you know, fund balance draw

3230
02:55:41,063 --> 02:55:42,398
or something would be really helpful.

3231
02:55:42,398 --> 02:55:44,166
So yeah,

3232
02:55:44,166 --> 02:55:46,669
I'll read anything else,
any other comments

3233
02:55:46,669 --> 02:55:49,539
or we'll move to public comment.

3234
02:55:49,539 --> 02:55:51,574
Okay. Hearing none here.

3235
02:55:51,574 --> 02:55:53,376
I'll move on to number three. Again.

3236
02:55:53,376 --> 02:55:54,810
We have public comment this evening.

3237
02:55:54,810 --> 02:55:57,179
Is there anyone that would like
to provide public comment?

3238
02:55:59,348 --> 02:56:00,283
A second time?

3239
02:56:00,283 --> 02:56:03,252
Is there anyone that would like to do
public comment?

3240
02:56:03,519 --> 02:56:05,121
I can hear some rattling.

3241
02:56:05,121 --> 02:56:06,856
Yeah.

3242
02:56:06,856 --> 02:56:07,890
Last time.

3243
02:56:07,890 --> 02:56:10,560
Is there anyone in the chamber
that would like to do public comment?

3244
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:13,329
Seeing none, I will adjourn us. Thank you.