1 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,853 Everybody welcome This is Monday August 24th As I speak very slowly so the mayor 2 00:00:37,853 --> 00:00:43,245 can get back to his seat Thank you Welcome And I'll call us to order And if you 3 00:00:43,245 --> 00:00:46,240 please rise and join me for the Pledge of Allegiance 4 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:54,686 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 5 00:00:54,686 --> 00:01:00,515 Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and 6 00:01:00,515 --> 00:01:01,860 justice for all 7 00:01:05,780 --> 00:01:09,791 Thanks so much We have all City Council members in attendance tonight so that's 8 00:01:09,791 --> 00:01:13,802 exciting We'll move on to number four which is approval of our agenda Does 9 00:01:13,802 --> 00:01:18,100 anybody have any changes or additions or I would look for a motion to approve 10 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:19,100 So moved approve 11 00:01:20,060 --> 00:01:22,860 Can you give that to Ron Is that a second Second Is that okay 12 00:01:24,420 --> 00:01:26,660 Any last comments or questions 13 00:01:27,940 --> 00:01:30,100 All those in favor of tonight's agenda please say aye 14 00:01:30,420 --> 00:01:30,660 Aye 15 00:01:31,420 --> 00:01:35,652 Any opposed Agenda passes Move on to five which is our proclamations and 16 00:01:35,652 --> 00:01:40,861 recognitions And we do have a special night tonight So I'll hand it over to our 17 00:01:40,861 --> 00:01:43,140 fire department and Chief Warner and others 18 00:01:43,620 --> 00:01:45,940 Good evening Well this past year 19 00:02:01,790 --> 00:02:02,790 Oh my gosh 20 00:02:03,710 --> 00:02:07,011 Good evening Council president council mayor administrator staff family and 21 00:02:07,011 --> 00:02:10,312 fellow firefighters Tonight we're introducing to you Assistant Chief Fire 22 00:02:10,312 --> 00:02:14,272 Assistant Fire Chief Grady Nelson He's assigned to the task of emergency 23 00:02:14,272 --> 00:02:18,233 management for the city and professional standards within the fire department He 24 00:02:18,233 --> 00:02:23,185 has successfully passed his probation and is a valued member of the team Grady grew 25 00:02:23,185 --> 00:02:28,466 up in Red wing and is a fourth generation Red wing resident Grady holds a Bachelor 26 00:02:28,466 --> 00:02:32,757 of Science in Political science from the University of Wisconsin River falls a 27 00:02:32,757 --> 00:02:36,388 Master of Public administration from Hamline University and an associate of 28 00:02:36,388 --> 00:02:40,679 Applied Science and Paramedic Fire Science as well and recently attained an Associate 29 00:02:40,679 --> 00:02:43,979 in Applied Science and Emergency Management from the Hennepin Technical 30 00:02:43,979 --> 00:02:48,600 Community Or I'm sorry College Grady has been with the Red Wing Fire Department 31 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,891 since 2019 and before that he actually served in the capacity and administration 32 00:02:52,891 --> 00:02:57,843 at city since 2015 He also worked for the Savage Fire Department and a Maplewood 33 00:02:57,843 --> 00:03:02,794 Fire Department as a firefighter paramedic When I asked Grady what he wanted why he 34 00:03:02,794 --> 00:03:09,065 wanted to be in the fire service he stated red wing fires a paid on call in 2019 and 35 00:03:09,065 --> 00:03:14,016 just fell in love with the work The significance of the work and the direct 36 00:03:14,016 --> 00:03:17,977 service provided by the fire and EMS is incredibly fulfilling Additionally Grady's 37 00:03:17,977 --> 00:03:21,608 grandfather was also a volunteer firefighter with the Red Wing Fire 38 00:03:21,608 --> 00:03:25,569 Department Grady is supported by his family his wife Therese or children 39 00:03:25,569 --> 00:03:29,530 Charlie Megan Teddy and Grady's wife will pin his badge on tonight 40 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:01,540 Congratulations Congratulations 41 00:04:05,500 --> 00:04:06,340 Congratulations 42 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:09,340 Congratulations 43 00:04:13,660 --> 00:04:15,700 Thank you And now on to our next 44 00:04:18,220 --> 00:04:19,060 No speech 45 00:04:28,780 --> 00:04:32,508 Next I want to introduce Brad Parlier Brad has recently successfully passed probation 46 00:04:32,508 --> 00:04:35,950 which including passing this paramedic certification Brad is assigned to be chief 47 00:04:35,950 --> 00:04:39,965 with the fire department Brad grew up in Wanamingo Brad was homeschooled by his 48 00:04:39,965 --> 00:04:44,267 parents all the way through high school He earned a Bachelors of Science and Health 49 00:04:44,267 --> 00:04:47,995 and Human Services or sorry Health and Human Sciences from the University of 50 00:04:47,995 --> 00:04:51,437 Minnesota Rochester Brad didn't have any prior experience before joining Red wing 51 00:04:51,437 --> 00:04:56,025 This is something he takes pride in as he learned everything about the fire and EMS 52 00:04:56,025 --> 00:05:00,614 service from his co-workers here at Red wing From day one he witnessed a level of 53 00:05:00,614 --> 00:05:05,490 care and excellence and pride in his job When I asked Brad why he wanted to join 54 00:05:05,490 --> 00:05:10,078 the fire service he said he wanted to be part of something greater than himself He 55 00:05:10,078 --> 00:05:14,380 mentioned that he goes through fire No pun intended Together as a team responding to 56 00:05:14,380 --> 00:05:18,969 calls for service with the people of Red wing followed by his peers next to him 57 00:05:18,969 --> 00:05:22,984 Brett is supported tonight by his wife Connie and their three children Noah Luke 58 00:05:22,984 --> 00:05:27,860 and Stella His parents and co-workers at Red Wing Fire His wife is going to pin his 59 00:05:27,860 --> 00:05:28,720 badge on tonight 60 00:05:59,730 --> 00:06:00,650 Congratulations 61 00:06:01,210 --> 00:06:01,930 Congratulations 62 00:06:05,690 --> 00:06:06,530 Congratulations 63 00:06:07,090 --> 00:06:07,330 Thank you 64 00:06:08,770 --> 00:06:09,370 Good job 65 00:06:13,410 --> 00:06:14,170 Thank you Counsel 66 00:06:15,090 --> 00:06:16,090 Thank you so much 67 00:06:18,610 --> 00:06:23,364 We'll move on to number six which is our Red Wing Legacy Choir presentation So I'll 68 00:06:23,364 --> 00:06:28,416 wait for them to file out and a few ladies And maybe if there's gentlemen also please 69 00:06:28,416 --> 00:06:29,010 come up 70 00:06:40,930 --> 00:06:46,039 Good evening My name is Liz McGill I am the executive director of the Red Wing 71 00:06:46,039 --> 00:06:50,829 Area Seniors or pier 55 We are here tonight to introduce our Red Wing Legacy 72 00:06:50,829 --> 00:06:54,980 Choir Chorus We have a couple people passing out some information to the 73 00:06:54,980 --> 00:07:00,409 audience and I think you guys all got them Um we are a division of giving voice 74 00:07:00,409 --> 00:07:04,560 giving voice started as a grassroots project here in Minnesota about 14 years 75 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,989 ago by a group of women and one man who had family members who were diagnosed with 76 00:07:09,989 --> 00:07:14,140 Alzheimer's but they discovered they still loved to sing and they were very 77 00:07:14,140 --> 00:07:17,972 interactive and were really enjoyed singing And so they started the first 78 00:07:17,972 --> 00:07:22,761 giving voice choir that has now grown to We are now an international program that 79 00:07:22,761 --> 00:07:27,551 was based out of here in Minnesota last fall the Mayo Health um Rural Health 80 00:07:27,551 --> 00:07:32,341 Initiative put out funding for four new rural programs And so I heard of that 81 00:07:32,341 --> 00:07:37,770 funding and I thought that sounds very fun And I was trying to grow programs at the 82 00:07:37,770 --> 00:07:43,518 Red wing area seniors being I was very new there And so I applied for the funding and 83 00:07:43,518 --> 00:07:48,946 found out a couple of months later that we were one of four choirs chosen to expand 84 00:07:48,946 --> 00:07:54,055 in rural Minnesota It was like us and there's one up north and a couple others 85 00:07:54,055 --> 00:07:59,164 So we were very excited to get that funding to kick off our first season So 86 00:07:59,164 --> 00:08:04,593 what it is is we have three different sessions in a year We have a spring a 87 00:08:04,593 --> 00:08:10,021 summer and a fall And there are 10 to 12 week sessions And we choose a different 88 00:08:10,021 --> 00:08:15,450 theme kind of every year every session for our choir We try to find songs that are 89 00:08:16,650 --> 00:08:20,613 I'll show tune based very popular songs songs that people with dementia are going 90 00:08:20,613 --> 00:08:24,859 to be able to recall maybe from their childhood or just sing with the family 91 00:08:24,859 --> 00:08:29,672 those type of things I want to note too that we are not just a dementia friendly 92 00:08:29,672 --> 00:08:34,201 choir Anyone who loves to sing can join us We have some folks that have traumatic 93 00:08:34,201 --> 00:08:38,447 brain injuries We have folks who simply just want to sing We have folks like 94 00:08:38,447 --> 00:08:42,127 myself who were asked when the choir started by our musical director juicing 95 00:08:42,127 --> 00:08:46,940 alto soprano and I said I don't know and I don't think we've ever discovered yet What 96 00:08:46,940 --> 00:08:52,601 I do I just show up and sing and bring the snacks which is very important So we are a 97 00:08:52,601 --> 00:08:57,414 very low barrier Um choir we have there's our our quote is there's no wrong in the 98 00:08:57,414 --> 00:09:01,660 room And we just we just want people to show up and enjoy our choir 99 00:09:02,980 --> 00:09:07,931 So this Wednesday we are kicking off our first mini concert I call it a mini 100 00:09:07,931 --> 00:09:11,954 concert because typically when we would have our concerts we'd have about ten 101 00:09:11,954 --> 00:09:17,215 songs ready to go Like I said we just started this summer so we're going to have 102 00:09:17,215 --> 00:09:21,857 four songs ready to go And as we were moving through our our songs and 103 00:09:21,857 --> 00:09:27,118 everything I thought how fun would it be if we could sing before the Red Wing Arts 104 00:09:27,118 --> 00:09:32,379 concert in the park Like what a fun audience that would be So I called up the 105 00:09:32,379 --> 00:09:37,950 very nice ladies at Red Wing Arts and I said hey I have this idea And they said 106 00:09:37,950 --> 00:09:43,210 sure And it happened to be the local hooligans And I'm like very cool And so I 107 00:09:43,210 --> 00:09:47,852 was very excited and then found out that they are the local hooligans heard about 108 00:09:47,852 --> 00:09:52,494 us and our mission and they said don't sing before us We'll take a longer 109 00:09:52,494 --> 00:09:56,517 intermission and sing during our performance So we are so thrilled that the 110 00:09:56,517 --> 00:10:01,159 Red wing arts and the local hooligans embraced us that way So we'll be there 111 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:04,873 Wednesday night We'll be singing approximately 7454 of our songs and we 112 00:10:04,873 --> 00:10:10,443 really hope all of you can make it Um I want to introduce like I said earlier my 113 00:10:10,443 --> 00:10:15,085 role is very administrative I write the grants I will be writing more grants now 114 00:10:15,085 --> 00:10:20,346 because our first grant cycle is done Um I do the organizing of it the marketing of 115 00:10:20,346 --> 00:10:25,298 it that type of thing Buy the snacks That is actually part of the choir Every 116 00:10:25,298 --> 00:10:29,940 rehearsal is snack time at the end And um but Stephanie Nolton is our musical 117 00:10:29,940 --> 00:10:34,582 director She's absolutely amazing and she is so organized It's really nice for me to 118 00:10:34,582 --> 00:10:39,224 stay organized with her And then um Candace Bean is our pianist She is not 119 00:10:39,224 --> 00:10:45,103 here this evening but she is the one who keeps us all in tune And then we have a 120 00:10:45,103 --> 00:10:50,674 few members of our chorus with us tonight too So they are the true magic of it I 121 00:10:50,674 --> 00:10:56,244 just try and keep it organized and like I say write the grants So we really hope you 122 00:10:56,244 --> 00:11:01,505 guys can make it Wednesday night at the park Bring your chairs and some of it will 123 00:11:01,505 --> 00:11:07,694 be a sing along We will let you know But I know you all know the song so I'm gonna 124 00:11:07,694 --> 00:11:10,170 turn it over to Stephanie now Thank you 125 00:11:11,810 --> 00:11:17,092 Hello and thank you so much for allowing us to speak to you about the Red Wing 126 00:11:17,092 --> 00:11:22,063 Legacy chorus It's been such a pleasure to work with the men and women who have 127 00:11:22,063 --> 00:11:26,724 joined us to start our adventure this summer On the music and rehearsal side of 128 00:11:26,724 --> 00:11:32,316 things As Liz said our motto is there is no wrong in this room We're here to bring 129 00:11:32,316 --> 00:11:36,977 joy just through the fun of music and singing and through my experience here in 130 00:11:36,977 --> 00:11:41,638 Red wing as well as with another dementia friendly choir I have had experience with 131 00:11:41,638 --> 00:11:46,298 in the Rochester area I have found that this model really gives people living with 132 00:11:46,298 --> 00:11:50,337 memory loss a beautiful dignity and purpose in this season of life We're 133 00:11:50,337 --> 00:11:54,687 currently working on songs like Ben E King's Stand By Me and Louis Armstrong's 134 00:11:54,687 --> 00:11:59,037 What A Wonderful World both of which do trigger existing memories for our singers 135 00:11:59,037 --> 00:12:04,008 How amazing it is that music is so closely connected to brain health and can improve 136 00:12:04,008 --> 00:12:09,290 the quality of life of so many people right here in Red wing I'd like to leave 137 00:12:09,290 --> 00:12:14,572 you with a song that sums up our motto This was written by one of the founding 138 00:12:14,572 --> 00:12:17,990 dementia friendly choir directors David Moore And it goes like this 139 00:12:19,350 --> 00:12:27,531 There's no wrong in this room There's no wrong in this room There's no wrong in 140 00:12:27,531 --> 00:12:31,110 this room Just music joy and cookies 141 00:12:33,270 --> 00:12:37,740 In the words of one of our singers I've always enjoyed singing Here's a new 142 00:12:37,740 --> 00:12:42,508 opportunity to meet new friends and share our music with you We hope you'll join us 143 00:12:42,508 --> 00:12:46,680 and sing along on Wednesday evening at the park Thank you for your time 144 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:48,560 Thank you so much 145 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,308 Thank you If I could just add one last thing We are always encouraging new 146 00:12:55,308 --> 00:12:59,008 members If you know somebody who is diagnosed with dementia if you know 147 00:12:59,008 --> 00:13:02,707 somebody who's a family member or caregiver of dementia if you know somebody 148 00:13:02,707 --> 00:13:08,113 who just loves to sing if you want to just join us 10 to 1130 Wednesdays at Red Wing 149 00:13:08,113 --> 00:13:12,666 Area Seniors or pier 55 we will be starting our fall session in the end of 150 00:13:12,666 --> 00:13:13,520 September Thank you 151 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:14,360 Thank you 152 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,882 All right We are now at the public comment section number seven on our agenda tonight 153 00:13:23,882 --> 00:13:27,922 Each person is allowed one time of up to three minutes to speak on agenda items and 154 00:13:27,922 --> 00:13:32,199 one time of up to three minutes to speak on non agenda topics We have started a new 155 00:13:32,199 --> 00:13:35,763 process using comment cards and I will start by calling the card numbers of those 156 00:13:35,763 --> 00:13:39,803 who wish to speak on non-agenda items and then we'll move on to agenda items If you 157 00:13:39,803 --> 00:13:44,080 want to speak would have not filled out a comment card yet You can pick one up on 158 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,595 the lobby or actually they'll be up here by the box and then you will put it in the 159 00:13:48,595 --> 00:13:52,635 box So sorry for that Again you'll just come up and I'll call you and you'll come 160 00:13:52,635 --> 00:13:57,625 up and grab a card fill it out and put it in the box when you come up We'll work on 161 00:13:57,625 --> 00:13:58,100 that Michelle 162 00:13:59,420 --> 00:14:04,297 Um when you come up to the podium please drop your card in the box again and then 163 00:14:04,297 --> 00:14:09,175 state your name and what city you live in If you can share what ward or street name 164 00:14:09,175 --> 00:14:12,426 neighborhood you live in Red wing we'd appreciate it Remember that personal 165 00:14:12,426 --> 00:14:15,949 attacks and comments related to political campaigns are not permitted and may be 166 00:14:15,949 --> 00:14:19,472 ruled out of order The Council welcomes all perspectives and appreciates your time 167 00:14:19,472 --> 00:14:23,807 and attending tonight So it looks like I have three for non agenda items Um signed 168 00:14:23,807 --> 00:14:24,620 up right now 169 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:31,531 So we'll have some more So how about the first number one If you want to come up 170 00:14:31,531 --> 00:14:33,140 please and introduce yourself again 171 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:40,916 Good evening My name is Stephanie Rogers and I am the executive and artistic 172 00:14:40,916 --> 00:14:47,273 director of the Anderson Center at Tower View here in Red wing I live in Ward one 173 00:14:47,273 --> 00:14:52,509 precinct two I am here today on behalf of the Anderson Center's Public Artist 174 00:14:52,509 --> 00:14:56,249 Residency program and our collaborators the Public Artist Residency Program 175 00:14:56,249 --> 00:15:01,484 launched in 2021 It builds on the Anderson Center's long standing Artist in Residence 176 00:15:01,484 --> 00:15:05,598 program providing additional financial and administrative support to enable an artist 177 00:15:05,598 --> 00:15:10,086 to co-create a significant public artwork with Red wing community members Past 178 00:15:10,086 --> 00:15:14,199 public art residents include muralist Camila Leyva who worked with Hispanic 179 00:15:14,199 --> 00:15:19,061 Outreach and other community groups on the Plant Wisdom mural across from Liberty's 180 00:15:19,061 --> 00:15:24,297 and statue Jones who stand in the shadows etched the shadows of historic black 181 00:15:24,297 --> 00:15:29,158 residents of Red wing into our sidewalks Anderson Center's 2025 and 2026 Public 182 00:15:29,158 --> 00:15:34,020 Artist residency is Doctor Margaret Pierce a map maker and Citizen Potawatomi tribal 183 00:15:34,020 --> 00:15:39,629 member I'm here today in my role as the project manager for the Red wing 184 00:15:39,629 --> 00:15:43,743 installation of her national project Mississippi Dialogues Pierce is the lead 185 00:15:43,743 --> 00:15:47,483 artist Prairie Island Indian Community Tribal Historic Preservation Office and 186 00:15:47,483 --> 00:15:50,475 Ho-Chunk Nation tribal Historic Preservation Office are important 187 00:15:50,475 --> 00:15:54,962 collaborators Our proposal for a public art installation in Red Wings Colville 188 00:15:54,962 --> 00:15:59,450 Park also includes the artistry of Red Lake Nation woodcarver Ben Spears 189 00:16:00,530 --> 00:16:04,718 There's information in your status report today about the packet or about the 190 00:16:04,718 --> 00:16:08,907 project which is being financed entirely through Non-city funds Um many of them 191 00:16:08,907 --> 00:16:12,129 private sources and prestigious national grants including a 2025 MacArthur 192 00:16:12,129 --> 00:16:15,995 fellowship for Pierce a 2026 Creative Capital Award and a Blandin Foundation 193 00:16:15,995 --> 00:16:19,861 grant to Prairie Island Indian Community also provided significant funding for the 194 00:16:19,861 --> 00:16:24,050 local portion of this project As you review the materials we have provided 195 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:28,560 you'll note that there's a budget for maintenance funds to be transferred to the 196 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,715 city along with the gift of the artwork Our intention is to formally bring this to 197 00:16:33,715 --> 00:16:37,904 the next council meeting on September 14th for your consideration and approval Both 198 00:16:37,904 --> 00:16:42,092 myself and Margaret Pierce who will speak during the virtual comment period wanted 199 00:16:42,092 --> 00:16:46,925 to join you today to call your attention to the upcoming project and proposal which 200 00:16:46,925 --> 00:16:50,791 has been in discussion with relevant commissions and staff members for several 201 00:16:50,791 --> 00:16:55,302 years In the meantime if you have any questions about this project please don't 202 00:16:55,302 --> 00:16:59,490 hesitate to reach out to me about Mississippi Dialogues All of my contact 203 00:16:59,490 --> 00:17:02,390 information is on the Anderson Center website Thank you 204 00:17:02,430 --> 00:17:03,510 Thank you so much 205 00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:08,790 All right Do we have our second speaker tonight 206 00:17:21,630 --> 00:17:28,650 Hi Danny Howdy Neal Street Um this is probably too little too late but I just 207 00:17:28,650 --> 00:17:35,670 want to make a comment on what went on here earlier with uh money allotted for 208 00:17:35,670 --> 00:17:42,251 the different organizations and such Uh I got some ancient history that I could lay 209 00:17:42,251 --> 00:17:49,710 on you Um years ago there was another car club in town called the Bearing Burners I 210 00:17:49,710 --> 00:17:56,291 don't know if anybody remembers that or not The what The bearing burners Thank you 211 00:17:56,291 --> 00:18:04,188 Um of which I happen to be the president Um we decided to have a car show in 212 00:18:04,188 --> 00:18:10,330 conjunction with uh River City days So we talked to chamber got everything arranged 213 00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:17,789 They gave us Bay Point Park So we fenced it off so that we could charge admission 214 00:18:17,789 --> 00:18:25,686 to the cars and to the spectators Um we bought the awards We hired music a DJ for 215 00:18:25,686 --> 00:18:33,584 music We hired a bus to haul people from Bay point to downtown or out to the mall 216 00:18:33,584 --> 00:18:34,900 out in Burnside 217 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:36,500 um 218 00:18:37,540 --> 00:18:45,180 and had a very successful show And after the show we gave the chamber back money 219 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:52,146 and we had enough money to do our next year's show And we did this show for quite 220 00:18:52,146 --> 00:18:58,072 a quite a few years as the Baring Brothers Now it's done by I think the Corvette Club 221 00:18:58,072 --> 00:18:59,060 or something So 222 00:19:00,140 --> 00:19:07,464 I just wanted to let you know that we did this all without money from you guys or 223 00:19:07,464 --> 00:19:11,940 the chamber or anybody We did it on our own nickel 224 00:19:12,940 --> 00:19:16,500 Um we also used to hold dances 225 00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:22,940 uh in the wintertime for the uh what was it called 226 00:19:23,980 --> 00:19:32,196 It escapes me the winter celebration that you all used to have Rivers shiver River 227 00:19:32,196 --> 00:19:40,412 days We had dances raise money there too So these things these organizations can do 228 00:19:40,412 --> 00:19:40,960 things 229 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:47,910 quite easily I think if they've got good membership they can do it without money 230 00:19:47,910 --> 00:19:49,840 from you all Thank you 231 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:51,360 Thank you 232 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,640 We have our third public comment for non agenda items 233 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:10,552 Hello my name is Alex Colley and I'm from Central Park Street near in Red wing Uh I 234 00:20:10,552 --> 00:20:17,003 just want to uh take a moment of your time to air my grievances regarding al P s more 235 00:20:17,003 --> 00:20:22,435 commonly known as flock cameras Uh quite frankly I am just very unhappy as not uh 236 00:20:22,435 --> 00:20:26,170 strong enough word to bring up how I feel about them 237 00:20:27,850 --> 00:20:33,408 They are constantly tracking just normal citizens They have a remarkably high 238 00:20:33,408 --> 00:20:39,892 failure rate for false positives Records can be accessed without a warrant They can 239 00:20:39,892 --> 00:20:45,450 They create their own security issue And in addition to that uh 240 00:20:47,690 --> 00:20:53,016 There are multiple cases across the nation of people being stalked because of these 241 00:20:53,016 --> 00:21:00,244 cameras Uh they are being used as a tool for the stalker So I just want to uh bring 242 00:21:00,244 --> 00:21:05,570 up my uh my issues and concerns Thank you very much for your time 243 00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:06,210 Thank you 244 00:21:09,890 --> 00:21:10,250 All right 245 00:21:10,250 --> 00:21:13,971 I think we have a couple more people that have signed up So do we have a fourth or 246 00:21:13,971 --> 00:21:15,930 fifth that grabbed cards if you want to walk up 247 00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:28,070 If you want to just come up for non agenda items that's fine So 248 00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:41,167 You can just put the microphone down so we can hear you Okay Introduce yourself and 249 00:21:41,167 --> 00:21:41,950 where you live 250 00:21:45,070 --> 00:21:45,990 Here's my card 251 00:21:48,190 --> 00:21:51,670 Do I have to like say my address or just word for it 252 00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:53,110 Perfect 253 00:21:53,790 --> 00:22:00,241 I'm a word for it So first things first I hope everyone had a wonderful summer Um I 254 00:22:00,241 --> 00:22:02,750 hope you all had a nice year 255 00:22:04,350 --> 00:22:08,470 Um to tell you I'm doing great My mom got a surgery She's doing well 256 00:22:09,790 --> 00:22:10,910 Here's what I want to say 257 00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:20,964 Um you were kind amazing articulate smart funny pretty handsome And no matter what 258 00:22:20,964 --> 00:22:22,200 you matter 259 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,677 I hope you're starting to love yourself like I am doing And you're trying to be 260 00:22:28,677 --> 00:22:31,600 the best you can I'm also trying to myself 261 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,040 Um 262 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,560 And also remember you are important Thank you 263 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:39,560 Thank you 264 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,240 Do we have another non agenda item 265 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,074 You can come up Do we have a fifth Number five Or you can come up and then we'll go 266 00:22:54,074 --> 00:22:57,717 to number six And then I'll let people raise up their hand if you haven't grabbed 267 00:22:57,717 --> 00:22:58,400 the card yet 268 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,480 So just put it up a little bit 269 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,928 All right Uh blank Ward four First I would like to bring up the moment of silence 270 00:23:13,928 --> 00:23:18,415 again I previously asked for one That request was denied and afterwards a rule 271 00:23:18,415 --> 00:23:21,940 was put in place that doesn't allow moments of silence anymore 272 00:23:22,940 --> 00:23:28,007 I'm not bringing this up just to argue about what happened before I'm bringing it 273 00:23:28,007 --> 00:23:32,398 up because when residents make simple requests like that and then responses the 274 00:23:32,398 --> 00:23:37,465 responses to create a rule restricting them I think that it can make people feel 275 00:23:37,465 --> 00:23:42,869 like there's no point in speaking up I'd ask the council to think about whether the 276 00:23:42,869 --> 00:23:47,598 rule is actually necessary or whether there's a way to allow moments of silence 277 00:23:47,598 --> 00:23:52,327 again without disrupting meetings The only other thing I want to talk about is 278 00:23:52,327 --> 00:23:57,394 something I've noticed as a younger person in this community Most people my age don't 279 00:23:57,394 --> 00:24:02,461 even know about city council meetings or that they happen A lot of them probably 280 00:24:02,461 --> 00:24:07,528 don't know that they can come here and speak We're not really taught or taught 281 00:24:07,528 --> 00:24:12,257 how to participate in local government Unless you have a reason to pay attention 282 00:24:12,257 --> 00:24:16,310 to it you might never know what what's happening there Here Um 283 00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:23,569 that means the same small group of people tends to show up Well a huge part of the 284 00:24:23,569 --> 00:24:28,052 community has no clue about the decisions being made that can affect them I think 285 00:24:28,052 --> 00:24:33,132 this city could do more to change that It could be as simple as reaching out to 286 00:24:33,132 --> 00:24:37,017 schools using social media in ways that actually reach younger people or working 287 00:24:37,017 --> 00:24:41,201 with youth youth organizations to explain what city Council does and how people can 288 00:24:41,201 --> 00:24:44,787 get involved If you want more people involved in local government especially 289 00:24:44,787 --> 00:24:49,569 younger people they first have to know what they're invited to be part of And I 290 00:24:49,569 --> 00:24:54,350 think we could do a much better job of making sure they know that Thank you 291 00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:55,470 Thank you 292 00:25:00,110 --> 00:25:01,710 Card number six out there 293 00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:07,710 or people would like to Again anyone wanting public comment on a non agenda 294 00:25:07,710 --> 00:25:08,390 item Okay 295 00:25:20,650 --> 00:25:25,532 Amber Planck Ward four Many people believe that Jesus is coming back So what if Jesus 296 00:25:25,532 --> 00:25:30,108 already came back Only this time his name was pronounced Jesus There's a chance he'd 297 00:25:30,108 --> 00:25:34,075 be sitting in an immigration detention center right now because he wasn't sent 298 00:25:34,075 --> 00:25:38,651 back with papers You ever thought about that Somewhere along the way along the way 299 00:25:38,651 --> 00:25:42,923 we started calling things political I've heard people say I don't do politics and 300 00:25:42,923 --> 00:25:46,279 sometimes I understand that politics can be exhausting Democrats versus Republicans 301 00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:50,245 taxes budgets elections policy those things are all political But you know what 302 00:25:50,245 --> 00:25:53,907 isn't political Caring about people believing a woman has bodily autonomy or 303 00:25:53,907 --> 00:25:57,568 that people shouldn't be called slurs believing that somebody in a wheelchair 304 00:25:57,568 --> 00:26:02,755 should be able to access a public space or that a family shouldn't go hungry that an 305 00:26:02,755 --> 00:26:07,026 immigrant should be treated like a human being or that LGBTQ people deserve dignity 306 00:26:07,026 --> 00:26:10,382 or that someone experiencing homelessness still deserves compassion Those are not 307 00:26:10,382 --> 00:26:14,044 political beliefs That's called humanity And frankly some got way too comfortable 308 00:26:14,044 --> 00:26:18,315 using the word political as an excuse not to get involved with when something 309 00:26:18,315 --> 00:26:22,281 doesn't directly affect us You ain't got to agree with somebody's lifestyle You 310 00:26:22,281 --> 00:26:26,248 don't have to vote like them or share their religion their beliefs their 311 00:26:26,248 --> 00:26:30,824 background You don't even have to like them But at the very least you should 312 00:26:30,824 --> 00:26:34,791 still care when they're basic when their basic humanity is being violated that's 313 00:26:34,791 --> 00:26:38,452 like a bare minimum There are absolutely political questions about how government 314 00:26:38,452 --> 00:26:42,419 should solve problems We can disagree on those That's democracy But whether another 315 00:26:42,419 --> 00:26:46,690 human being deserves dignity doesn't depend on which box you check in a ballot 316 00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:50,961 Now that brings me to something else that should cross political lines the flocks 317 00:26:50,961 --> 00:26:55,843 and the ALP I understand the argument for them If a child is kidnapped or somebody 318 00:26:55,843 --> 00:27:01,030 commits a violent crime we want police to have the tools to help find them But also 319 00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:07,415 that also requires us to ask what happens when the tool is used wrong or when 320 00:27:07,415 --> 00:27:11,777 somebody abuses it In Wisconsin a woman was stopped twice because her vehicle was 321 00:27:11,777 --> 00:27:16,139 flagged with a homicide alert during the second stop Officers drew guns on her 322 00:27:16,139 --> 00:27:20,189 Texas used 83,000 cameras to find one woman accused of having an abortion 323 00:27:20,189 --> 00:27:23,928 nationwide Dozens of law enforcement officials have been accused of abusing the 324 00:27:23,928 --> 00:27:27,978 system including officers using them to track exes and people in their personal 325 00:27:27,978 --> 00:27:32,652 lives And I've seen reports that show that they've been pointed at pools parks and 326 00:27:32,652 --> 00:27:36,390 splash pads That should concern everybody Privacy is not Democrat or Republican 327 00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:40,441 Civil liberties are not left wing nor right wing And asking questions about 328 00:27:40,441 --> 00:27:43,868 surveillance doesn't mean you're anti-police It just means that you pay 329 00:27:43,868 --> 00:27:48,230 attention Red wing is our home and many residents simply don't believe the level 330 00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:52,592 of crime in our community warrants this level of surveillance and Red wing alone 331 00:27:52,592 --> 00:27:56,642 isn't questioning it Communities across the country have ended their use of flock 332 00:27:56,642 --> 00:28:01,004 cameras and alpr over concerns of misuse and data sharing I'm not saying these 333 00:28:01,004 --> 00:28:05,366 cameras have never helped solve a crime I'm asking whether that benefit is worth 334 00:28:05,366 --> 00:28:10,039 the privacy we're giving up in return Just because we can track people doesn't mean 335 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:14,090 that we should They call them flock cameras people because they think that 336 00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:18,140 we're sheep They think that we're sheep Sheep Thank you Until next time 337 00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:19,100 Thank you 338 00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:27,140 All right Do we have someone with number seven card 339 00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:37,352 Do we have Is that it Okay All right Is there anybody else in the chamber that 340 00:28:37,352 --> 00:28:41,806 would like to provide public comment on a non agenda item Anyone in the chamber I 341 00:28:41,806 --> 00:28:46,260 saw the man in the black and back there first If you want to come up 342 00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:54,620 And please introduce yourself and what neighborhood you live in 343 00:28:54,820 --> 00:29:00,111 My name is Ron Teasdale Some of you out there know me Majority of you don't But as 344 00:29:00,111 --> 00:29:04,814 I look around this room I've been a member of this community longer than anybody in 345 00:29:04,814 --> 00:29:10,692 this room So I've seen a lot of ups and I've seen a lot of downs Right now we have 346 00:29:10,692 --> 00:29:16,277 both ups and we have a lot of downs And it's not just the city not just the city 347 00:29:16,277 --> 00:29:19,510 but our school district has the same has a problem Also 348 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:27,470 having been in business for as many years as I was I saw people desiring to move to 349 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:32,410 this community because of the community and because of the education system for 350 00:29:32,410 --> 00:29:38,490 their children They no longer do that So many children from Red wing are gone to 351 00:29:38,490 --> 00:29:44,570 other school districts which is a shame and it's not your problem but I would say 352 00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:50,650 you and the school district together have to work together and figure out a plan to 353 00:29:50,650 --> 00:29:51,030 improve 354 00:29:52,510 --> 00:29:58,398 what what's being taught and handled in that school district And as far as as far 355 00:29:58,398 --> 00:29:59,870 as the city council 356 00:30:01,470 --> 00:30:07,489 you have problems too You've got many problems and a lot of them throughout the 357 00:30:07,489 --> 00:30:07,890 community 358 00:30:09,170 --> 00:30:17,011 It's a well known fact that you have a money problem not just income but but what 359 00:30:17,011 --> 00:30:23,469 you're spending on and how you're spending it and the justifications of what you're 360 00:30:23,469 --> 00:30:23,930 buying 361 00:30:25,410 --> 00:30:26,410 It's not there 362 00:30:27,530 --> 00:30:32,895 And I'm I'm talking about this as somebody that's been in the business for a long 363 00:30:32,895 --> 00:30:38,595 time and knows a lot more about this than what you might think and you have a 364 00:30:38,595 --> 00:30:38,930 problem 365 00:30:39,930 --> 00:30:46,743 and it needs to be looked at And if any of you want to talk to me I'd be happy to 366 00:30:46,743 --> 00:30:51,610 talk to you and have a nice conversation because it it needs to be directed 367 00:30:52,610 --> 00:31:00,004 and I won't take any more of your time But like I said we have a problem And I hate 368 00:31:00,004 --> 00:31:05,180 to see it because it's been my community for a long time Thank you 369 00:31:05,380 --> 00:31:05,980 Thank you 370 00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:15,113 Is there anyone else in the chamber that would like to provide public comment on a 371 00:31:15,113 --> 00:31:15,820 non agenda item 372 00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:17,620 Come on up 373 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:25,540 Uh my 374 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:29,780 Name is Mueller and I live on West Avenue Um 375 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:36,774 I didn't come to comment on this but I would like to express my agreement with 376 00:31:36,774 --> 00:31:41,180 the two people who've spoken and expressed concerns about the spy cameras 377 00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:48,800 Um this is something I've given a bit of thought to and many people have and it's 378 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:55,031 generated a lot of discussion Um and there are obviously two sides to it but what 379 00:31:55,031 --> 00:32:01,651 strikes me as being very red wing so to speak about the issue is that it doesn't 380 00:32:01,651 --> 00:32:07,493 appear that residents have been asked whether they think this is a good idea or 381 00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:09,440 not whether they want cameras 382 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,240 In the vicinity of their homes or not 383 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:21,337 Um and as usual I feel that the residents should be consulted about decisions of 384 00:32:21,337 --> 00:32:28,248 this nature And if I'm mistaken if they have been I'd be happy to know that but 385 00:32:28,248 --> 00:32:30,280 I'm not aware of it 386 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:38,240 Um item number two I have a document to provide to you as an exhibit 387 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:45,084 It's entitled The Health Effects of Waste Incinerators and it's from the British 388 00:32:45,084 --> 00:32:51,643 Society for Ecological Medicine It's not too long about 70 pages but there are 329 389 00:32:51,643 --> 00:32:58,639 citations Um and this is not the most recent uh report of this nature There are 390 00:32:58,639 --> 00:33:01,700 lots of them that I like to 391 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:08,413 offer it to you with the request that you read it Particularly since you seem so 392 00:33:08,413 --> 00:33:12,697 determined to take actions that would increase the amount of garbage being 393 00:33:12,697 --> 00:33:17,339 burned in Red wing garbage from Minneapolis garbage from Saint Paul and so 394 00:33:17,339 --> 00:33:21,980 on and so forth Um can I give this to the attorney or 395 00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:24,660 Sure That's fine 396 00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:25,260 Okay 397 00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:38,580 I only brought one printed copy but it's something easily found online 398 00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:41,300 Can can can 399 00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:45,940 We make a copy of it and distribute it Thank you I mean like as in in a packet 400 00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:48,100 It's 401 00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:54,104 it's readily available online Thank you There are several succeeding versions of 402 00:33:54,104 --> 00:34:00,723 it but it's one of the most comprehensive reports that I have seen focused on the 403 00:34:00,723 --> 00:34:07,756 health effects of this which I certainly have had no success over the last 18 or 20 404 00:34:07,756 --> 00:34:13,548 years And um convincing city councils or city staff that this is something that 405 00:34:13,548 --> 00:34:16,030 they ought to be interested in 406 00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:19,670 Um okay I'm I'm done Thank you 407 00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:20,590 Thank you 408 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:24,550 If you're 409 00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:29,390 in the chambers I would like to provide public comment on a non agenda item 410 00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:32,470 one last time Anyone in the chambers 411 00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:38,518 Then I will move online I think we have one person virtual on a non agenda item If 412 00:34:38,518 --> 00:34:41,830 you'd like to unmute yourself and introduce yourself that would be great 413 00:34:45,150 --> 00:34:49,828 Good evening councilors I'm Margaret Pierce I'm a resident of Rockland Maine 414 00:34:49,828 --> 00:34:55,286 and a citizen Potawatomi tribal member And as Stephanie mentioned I'm the lead artist 415 00:34:55,286 --> 00:34:59,965 on the project called Mississippi Dialogues that is described in your packet 416 00:34:59,965 --> 00:35:05,813 and will be in the status updates at the end of this meeting So Mississippi 417 00:35:05,813 --> 00:35:09,711 Dialogues is a public art project elevating indigenous knowledge and 418 00:35:09,711 --> 00:35:14,389 experience of the Mississippi River through 14 map panels in public parks 419 00:35:14,389 --> 00:35:20,237 along the river from the Gulf to the headwaters And we would like to install 420 00:35:20,237 --> 00:35:24,916 the Premier the first panel installation portraying the stretch of the river 421 00:35:24,916 --> 00:35:31,153 between Hastings and La Crosse in Red Wing at Colville Park on October 1st It's been 422 00:35:31,153 --> 00:35:35,832 my privilege to collaborate on this artwork with Prairie Island and Ho-Chunk 423 00:35:35,832 --> 00:35:42,459 Tippo We first started working on it back in 2019 and then we really got going this 424 00:35:42,459 --> 00:35:47,917 past couple of years after securing the needed funding Some of you already know 425 00:35:47,917 --> 00:35:52,986 about this project from our presentations over the past couple of years including 426 00:35:52,986 --> 00:35:58,054 presentations to the Arts and Culture and Heritage commissions and an evening event 427 00:35:58,054 --> 00:36:03,512 centering Fairy Island elders at the barn at Tower View last year called our 428 00:36:03,512 --> 00:36:08,580 relative haha Wakpa and a Saturday picnic this past June in Colville Park 429 00:36:09,860 --> 00:36:15,286 The installation is two oak structures that look like oversized park signage 430 00:36:15,286 --> 00:36:22,069 standing side by side and the structures hold two map panels each 7.5ft wide by 431 00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:27,043 five feet tall Described describing the river through indigenous voices and 432 00:36:27,043 --> 00:36:30,660 memories through direct quotations from extensive interviews with 433 00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:37,778 Dakota and Ho-Chunk knowledge holders And on the other side of the panels are two 434 00:36:37,778 --> 00:36:43,450 wood artworks by Red Lake Nation artists Ben Spears who also built the structures 435 00:36:43,450 --> 00:36:49,528 So we've been working with Michelle Lacy Pat Ramaker and Steve Cohen to select a 436 00:36:49,528 --> 00:36:56,011 site in the park that would be appropriate for such a work and that doesn't interfere 437 00:36:56,011 --> 00:37:02,494 with existing park usage Last week we made our third presentation in two years to the 438 00:37:02,494 --> 00:37:07,761 Arts and Culture Commission and they voted to recommend approval So as Stephanie 439 00:37:07,761 --> 00:37:13,028 mentioned please reach out with any questions you might have prior to your 440 00:37:13,028 --> 00:37:17,080 formal consideration at the September 14th meeting Meegwetch Thank you 441 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,560 Thank you so much 442 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,055 All right Anybody else last time virtually that would like to provide public comment 443 00:37:28,055 --> 00:37:29,560 on a non agenda item 444 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,920 Please unmute yourself if you'd like to comment on a non agenda item 445 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,680 All right I'm not seeing anybody else So we will move on 446 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:40,320 There is one 447 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,360 There's a hand up Jean 448 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,320 Oh there we go 449 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,600 Do you want to unmute yourself and introduce yourself please 450 00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:51,450 Deployed 451 00:37:52,690 --> 00:37:53,050 at all 452 00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:55,450 times 453 00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:58,770 for the upstate 454 00:38:00,050 --> 00:38:03,330 Beth I think it's you since I can see your name but you can 455 00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:07,010 I know it's kind of hard to hear you Can you hear 456 00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:08,490 Me Yep You can go ahead 457 00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:16,741 Um I have concerns Um I kind of piggyback off of to Ronnie a little bit here Just 458 00:38:16,741 --> 00:38:22,974 just thinking about things Um in the past when I was um on different committees um 459 00:38:22,974 --> 00:38:28,817 and I'm not speaking of of being on a city committee other committees or other 460 00:38:28,817 --> 00:38:34,270 festival committees Um the funding that was channeled um to help the festivals we 461 00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:40,502 had to actually report back what we did with that funding We also had to have 462 00:38:40,502 --> 00:38:42,450 somebody as a city representative 463 00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:51,336 on the meetings with us As far as the groups we had to keep track of all 464 00:38:51,336 --> 00:38:57,482 receipts and report all receipts We had to do monthly reports back to actually at 465 00:38:57,482 --> 00:39:00,350 that time it was Mark Marshall um 466 00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:06,789 regarding monthly Um but I'm very concerned about money um of how it's being 467 00:39:06,789 --> 00:39:12,045 handled out and the non reports the non receipts Um last fall one of your staff 468 00:39:12,045 --> 00:39:16,644 members actually mentioned that on the funding that was given out that the people 469 00:39:16,644 --> 00:39:20,915 underneath their breath um that person which they were speaking um mentioned that 470 00:39:20,915 --> 00:39:25,842 they didn't have to show receipts Um it's concerning to me regarding the money or 471 00:39:25,842 --> 00:39:31,427 all the money that's that's out there to be had or being given out Um I really 472 00:39:31,427 --> 00:39:36,683 strongly feel that the city council really needs to kind of sit down and put some 473 00:39:36,683 --> 00:39:41,282 policies and procedures in place if they're going to be giving money or big 474 00:39:41,282 --> 00:39:47,195 money Um even if it's 5000 or 2000 or 1000 or whatever Um I think it's very important 475 00:39:47,195 --> 00:39:52,779 that people come back and report you know what They spent the money on what they did 476 00:39:52,779 --> 00:39:58,692 with the money Um I think Ronnie's right I mean we have been really dishing out a lot 477 00:39:58,692 --> 00:40:02,963 of money here Different committees have given money here money there Somebody else 478 00:40:02,963 --> 00:40:08,219 goes some different committee gets money to again Um I think we need to really be 479 00:40:08,219 --> 00:40:13,146 watching all that I think it's very important Um because if you go back and 480 00:40:13,146 --> 00:40:19,059 look at the reports there's been a lot of money that's been given out Um but a lot 481 00:40:19,059 --> 00:40:23,330 of people haven't come back to report what the money was used for 482 00:40:24,610 --> 00:40:25,170 Thank you 483 00:40:26,290 --> 00:40:26,930 Thank you 484 00:40:30,570 --> 00:40:34,105 All right The last time is there anybody virtually that would like to provide 485 00:40:34,105 --> 00:40:34,610 public comment 486 00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:40,825 All right I think we're going to move on then And we're going to move on to agenda 487 00:40:40,825 --> 00:40:44,713 items And I don't believe we have any cards that were taken for agenda items So 488 00:40:44,713 --> 00:40:48,359 I will start in our chamber Is there anybody tonight that would like to provide 489 00:40:48,359 --> 00:40:50,060 public comment on an agenda item tonight 490 00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:55,531 One last time Is there anyone that would like to provide public comment on an 491 00:40:55,531 --> 00:40:56,020 agenda item 492 00:40:57,180 --> 00:41:01,900 All right Seeing none we'll move on virtually Is there anybody virtually that 493 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:06,620 would like to provide public comment on a agenda item Please unmute yourself 494 00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:12,128 Anyone virtually that would like to provide public comment on an agenda item 495 00:41:12,128 --> 00:41:14,340 tonight please unmute yourself and introduce yourself 496 00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:19,509 And again I'm seeing nobody else do that So I'm going to close public comment and 497 00:41:19,509 --> 00:41:20,020 move on 498 00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:26,776 Then we're on to number eight which is our consent agenda section And these are items 499 00:41:26,776 --> 00:41:30,543 on the agenda that don't often require require council discussion These items are 500 00:41:30,543 --> 00:41:34,021 routine business non-controversial or have been discussed publicly in the past These 501 00:41:34,021 --> 00:41:38,077 items can be approved by the council all at once unless the Council member 502 00:41:38,077 --> 00:41:42,424 acknowledges that they would like to comment on or discuss any of the items at 503 00:41:42,424 --> 00:41:46,771 tonight's meeting Are there any items that council member would like to pull from the 504 00:41:46,771 --> 00:41:47,640 consent agenda tonight 505 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:51,240 All right Is there a motion to approve 506 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,760 So moved Second 507 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,720 All right The motion is by Don and a second by Beth 508 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,080 Any last discussion or questions 509 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,726 All right Now we don't have a rock Are we going to do a roll call for these for 510 00:42:07,726 --> 00:42:08,240 consent agenda 511 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,400 Um is that usually 512 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,240 We would do that So would you be prepared to do that 513 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,360 I'm not prepared Um is Melissa on line Melissa is on line 514 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,160 Oh sorry 515 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:20,720 There we are 516 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:27,303 There we go Hey Melissa Wonderful to see you So again no last discussion So roll 517 00:42:27,303 --> 00:42:28,440 call vote please 518 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,080 Snyder Hi 519 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,600 there Hi 520 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:35,760 Cleaver I 521 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:37,880 I 522 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:39,640 Lambert 523 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,040 I 524 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,560 Goggin 525 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:42,120 I 526 00:42:43,090 --> 00:42:47,370 Norton I seven eyes zero nays Motion carries 527 00:42:48,250 --> 00:42:52,250 Thanks Melissa We've now approved all the consent agenda items We'll now move on to 528 00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:55,717 our general business section and the council will address each of these items 529 00:42:55,717 --> 00:42:58,650 separately All input from community members occurred during the public comment 530 00:42:58,650 --> 00:43:02,917 period at the beginning of the meeting so we won't be taking any more comments at 531 00:43:02,917 --> 00:43:03,450 this time 532 00:43:08,050 --> 00:43:12,166 And our first item is nine A which is considering a motion to introduce 533 00:43:12,166 --> 00:43:13,930 ordinance number 241 a rezoning option 534 00:43:16,610 --> 00:43:21,007 All right Thank you Madam Mayor Members of the council I'd like to do a quick 535 00:43:21,007 --> 00:43:24,029 introduction This item This is a recommendation coming from the Planning 536 00:43:24,029 --> 00:43:27,601 Commission to rezone a piece of property within the community The property is 537 00:43:27,601 --> 00:43:30,899 located at 1808 Shakya Street and the rezoning would be from agricultural 538 00:43:30,899 --> 00:43:34,746 residential to single family residential or R1 And just to get us oriented I'll 539 00:43:34,746 --> 00:43:39,142 make sure we understand where this is because this is an area of the city that 540 00:43:39,142 --> 00:43:43,539 we don't deal with a whole lot when it comes to zoning This is an extreme 541 00:43:43,539 --> 00:43:47,661 northwestern portion of the city It's really hard to even show it and show other 542 00:43:47,661 --> 00:43:52,332 um kind of features in Red wing So what you're seeing is a pretty blown out map 543 00:43:52,332 --> 00:43:56,454 here But just to get us oriented real quick downtown Red wing is right here 544 00:43:56,454 --> 00:44:00,850 Highway 60 runs east and west Uh highway 19 heads north here uh by Prairie Island 545 00:44:00,850 --> 00:44:04,972 Then the site that we're talking about is located roughly right in here So the 546 00:44:04,972 --> 00:44:09,643 nuclear power plant right here Uh the casinos up here And so this is a piece of 547 00:44:09,643 --> 00:44:14,040 property that is located again up on Prairie Island Uh so like I said this is 548 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,436 an area that is unusual because of the mix of properties that are owned under trust 549 00:44:18,436 --> 00:44:22,283 with the Prairie Island community and parcels that are also still part of the 550 00:44:22,283 --> 00:44:27,504 city of Red wing Uh so the next maps do show those a little more clearly This is a 551 00:44:27,504 --> 00:44:31,901 blow up the property again this is one 808 Shockey Street That's the area shown in 552 00:44:31,901 --> 00:44:35,748 red Um this is the parcel that's under consideration tonight It's just under one 553 00:44:35,748 --> 00:44:39,320 acre in size The site is currently zoned R residential which means it 554 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,860 only really applies to sites that are rural and that don't have access to public 555 00:44:44,860 --> 00:44:49,022 services In this case this particular site and others around it are provided with 556 00:44:49,022 --> 00:44:52,888 sewer and water service from the Prairie Island community And then the street 557 00:44:52,888 --> 00:44:57,050 Typekit Street itself is not a public street but it is a street that's 558 00:44:57,050 --> 00:45:01,807 maintained and owned by the tribal Council So in the past as we've had these these 559 00:45:01,807 --> 00:45:05,375 matters come forward we have generally interpreted our code to reflect that 560 00:45:05,375 --> 00:45:10,133 because the site does tie into a community system or a community run system that it 561 00:45:10,133 --> 00:45:14,295 would meet the requirements for the R-1 zoning That hasn't always been the case 562 00:45:14,295 --> 00:45:19,350 out here So a lot of this zoning goes back to and predates the Prairie Island system 563 00:45:19,350 --> 00:45:23,215 being installed So with that in place the Planning Commission has been making 564 00:45:23,215 --> 00:45:26,485 recommendations to support Rezonings in situations like this In this particular 565 00:45:26,485 --> 00:45:30,945 situation the property owner is asking for the rezoning to allow for the removal of 566 00:45:30,945 --> 00:45:35,703 the home and to allow new home to move onto this property Without that zoning in 567 00:45:35,703 --> 00:45:39,865 place it would be difficult to build something new and comply with the area 568 00:45:39,865 --> 00:45:43,730 requirements setbacks and all those other much greater standards in the AR district 569 00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:47,893 And again this will allow for basically resetting of a home on the property 570 00:45:47,893 --> 00:45:51,163 consistent with the development patterns that you see in the surrounding 571 00:45:51,163 --> 00:45:54,731 neighborhood The rezoning would allow for a potential resubdivision of the property 572 00:45:54,731 --> 00:45:58,894 or further dividing the property The applicant has not indicated a desire to do 573 00:45:58,894 --> 00:46:03,948 so at this point in time but that has happened in some of these parcels as well 574 00:46:03,948 --> 00:46:08,706 that have been rezoned The last map I wanted to show was just the general zoning 575 00:46:08,706 --> 00:46:13,166 of this area The areas that's shown in the purple kind of cross-hatched color are 576 00:46:13,166 --> 00:46:17,328 parcels that are part of the Prairie Island community The parcels that you see 577 00:46:17,328 --> 00:46:21,491 that are the more yellow and tan color greenish color Those parcels are within 578 00:46:21,491 --> 00:46:25,653 the city of Red wing limits So that includes properties that are zoned AR 579 00:46:25,653 --> 00:46:30,410 which is the lighter green color and then R1 which is the tannish color the purple 580 00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:35,168 ish color there is all uh Um owned by Prairie Island And most of those are 581 00:46:35,168 --> 00:46:38,438 parcels that are split between industrial zoning and some other zoning 582 00:46:38,438 --> 00:46:42,303 classifications So again just to point out this particular parcel in particular we 583 00:46:42,303 --> 00:46:46,763 don't show it highlighted here but it's this parcel right here You can see it's 584 00:46:46,763 --> 00:46:51,223 surrounded by the cursor So as noted in the staff report there have been two 585 00:46:51,223 --> 00:46:56,278 previous rezonings of similar nature to go from R to R1 Those are the parcels to see 586 00:46:56,278 --> 00:47:01,630 here that that are shown that way on the map Uh the other unique thing here is that 587 00:47:01,630 --> 00:47:05,495 these parcels are essentially surrounded by Prairie Island and by tribal lands Uh 588 00:47:05,495 --> 00:47:09,360 again this is a little unusual in terms of how this was um 589 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,821 how this how this what the history of the area is and why the parcels are set up the 590 00:47:15,821 --> 00:47:20,456 way they are Um but again this is I think really allowing the property owner to uh 591 00:47:20,456 --> 00:47:24,274 further re further use the property in a way that's consistent with the character 592 00:47:24,274 --> 00:47:27,818 of the neighborhood So with that the Planning Commission did review the request 593 00:47:27,818 --> 00:47:30,818 On August 18th the Planning Commission unanimously recommending approval of the 594 00:47:30,818 --> 00:47:34,362 Proposal with the findings that are documented in the report I would note 595 00:47:34,362 --> 00:47:38,725 because this is a rezoning it does require a five vote majority of the council to 596 00:47:38,725 --> 00:47:42,815 move this forward And for tonight's we are asking for a first reading of the 597 00:47:42,815 --> 00:47:46,905 ordinance and we'll bring back a second reading if it goes forward with that If 598 00:47:46,905 --> 00:47:50,450 there are any questions I'm happy to answer Any questions from the Council 599 00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:53,650 Any questions for Kyle 600 00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:56,770 I'll look for a motion to approve 601 00:47:57,170 --> 00:48:01,490 I'll make the motion to introduce ordinance number two 414 Series rezoning 602 00:48:01,490 --> 00:48:04,370 1808 Shaker Street from R to R one 603 00:48:04,610 --> 00:48:05,410 I'll second that 604 00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:09,810 Discussion or questions 605 00:48:11,290 --> 00:48:16,590 All right Again the motion is to introduce ordinance number 2414 Series rezoning 1808 606 00:48:16,590 --> 00:48:21,890 Check Street from R to R one All those in favor please say aye 607 00:48:22,290 --> 00:48:22,610 Aye 608 00:48:23,050 --> 00:48:26,010 Any opposed Motion passes seven zero 609 00:48:28,450 --> 00:48:29,010 Didn't it 610 00:48:30,610 --> 00:48:33,550 Did that need a roll call vote because it has to be a super 611 00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:36,990 I think it's an introduction So I was assuming we didn't need that 612 00:48:37,310 --> 00:48:37,750 Okay 613 00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:39,910 Thank you I'm sorry 614 00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:40,550 That's okay 615 00:48:40,830 --> 00:48:45,765 All right Nine B is considering a motion to amend the assessments policy interest 616 00:48:45,765 --> 00:48:46,470 rate methodology 617 00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:49,870 So is this Chris 618 00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:56,859 Actually I think Tony's going to take the bulk of it But as far as an introduction 619 00:48:56,859 --> 00:49:02,729 this is a follow up conversation from last year As you recall we had an assessment um 620 00:49:02,729 --> 00:49:07,563 uh during the assessment uh approval policy There was a concern or a question 621 00:49:07,563 --> 00:49:11,706 about um actually raised by council member Lambert about potentially adjusting the 622 00:49:11,706 --> 00:49:16,194 rate for that particular assessment and the determination at that time the council 623 00:49:16,194 --> 00:49:17,230 was uh um 624 00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:23,616 open to possibly considering it but not on the fly not at that time and requested 625 00:49:23,616 --> 00:49:28,762 that it be added to a future agenda We also talked about it at our annual 626 00:49:28,762 --> 00:49:33,587 workshop which I mentioned earlier this evening at our workshop Um and so this has 627 00:49:33,587 --> 00:49:39,376 been added not as a special request item but as sort of a cleanup and an option for 628 00:49:39,376 --> 00:49:42,914 for your consideration prior to our assessment process which is actually 629 00:49:42,914 --> 00:49:47,095 coming forward probably in the next two meetings here for our 2026 street 630 00:49:47,095 --> 00:49:50,311 reconstruction or not the street reconstruction project actually the alley 631 00:49:50,311 --> 00:49:54,814 construction project Um so in light of that um Marshall put the staff report 632 00:49:54,814 --> 00:49:59,960 together but Tony was going to cover a few of the things from a financial perspective 633 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:01,480 All right 634 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:01,880 Thank you 635 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:08,173 Yeah Thank you Well as you all know um periodically when we do some of these 636 00:50:08,173 --> 00:50:13,254 larger projects uh one of the financing sources is through special assessments And 637 00:50:13,254 --> 00:50:20,289 um we have a couple of those projects coming up this fall yet Um so when we do 638 00:50:20,289 --> 00:50:26,152 levy those assessments we have a policy and we have our ordinance that we follow 639 00:50:26,152 --> 00:50:30,060 which establishes the interest rate for those projects Um so 640 00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:35,660 we've compiled information from other cities across the state of Minnesota on 641 00:50:35,660 --> 00:50:40,610 what their policy does We included that as an attachment And if you have any 642 00:50:40,610 --> 00:50:43,580 questions on that you can let us know But 643 00:50:44,620 --> 00:50:45,060 um 644 00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:48,540 our policy falls in line with what 645 00:50:49,540 --> 00:50:56,688 most other cities do Um there's a little variance across across the board Um but 646 00:50:56,688 --> 00:51:00,500 what we're doing is trying to establish a 647 00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:07,647 a guided policy over time that we can follow Um and what we're doing is So the 648 00:51:07,647 --> 00:51:09,980 reason that we do this is because 649 00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:16,810 we have an interest rate that should any assessed property for any of these 650 00:51:16,810 --> 00:51:17,620 improvements um 651 00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:24,830 not prepay one of the one of the rules and guidelines established in Minnesota law is 652 00:51:24,830 --> 00:51:30,480 to offer the right to prepay but should they not there's a borrowing cost So the 653 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:36,130 city when we do a project or if we issue general obligation bonds we have borrowing 654 00:51:36,130 --> 00:51:41,427 cost So this policy is meant to cover those borrowing costs for the city That's 655 00:51:41,427 --> 00:51:42,840 why we have it 656 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:44,360 Um 657 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:51,868 We follow several criteria Many of the considerations um it's to cover our 658 00:51:51,868 --> 00:51:57,455 financing costs It's out of fairness to property owners So we're not picking and 659 00:51:57,455 --> 00:52:03,042 choosing We're we're following a set policy and offering the right to prepay to 660 00:52:03,042 --> 00:52:03,840 everybody Um 661 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,200 One of the considerations I think that's important to point out also 662 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:18,610 is if we don't have a interest rate policy such as this we still have borrowing costs 663 00:52:18,610 --> 00:52:24,382 to cover Those borrowing costs would be subsidized likely from the general fund So 664 00:52:24,382 --> 00:52:29,330 to the broader tax base So having an interest applied to the 665 00:52:30,490 --> 00:52:35,130 owner of the improvement is actually an equitable way 666 00:52:36,970 --> 00:52:41,731 to capture that financing source versus subsidizing those borrowing costs from the 667 00:52:41,731 --> 00:52:47,286 general fund and spreading it across the entire tax base essentially Um so we've 668 00:52:47,286 --> 00:52:52,841 provided the attachments Um what we're looking for is any discussion if there is 669 00:52:52,841 --> 00:52:59,189 some sort of proposed change um what the council can do tonight is discuss um and 670 00:52:59,189 --> 00:53:05,141 then the alternatives would be for the council to either take no action to leave 671 00:53:05,141 --> 00:53:11,489 the policy as is currently or if there's discussion to make a motion to change the 672 00:53:11,489 --> 00:53:16,250 interest rate methodology that would be the other direction we could go 673 00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:22,130 So with that I'll be available to take any questions as they come up 674 00:53:22,570 --> 00:53:23,230 Beth Balthazar 675 00:53:23,230 --> 00:53:24,510 Handout I just have some 676 00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:32,786 questions for understanding So in your um in the brief that you gave us you say 677 00:53:32,786 --> 00:53:34,150 state that um 678 00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:40,013 Red wing has one of the lowest assessed rates in Minnesota for street 679 00:53:40,013 --> 00:53:46,415 reconstruction projects at 50% of the cost So of a total cost So if I'm a homeowner a 680 00:53:46,415 --> 00:53:51,749 homeowner right now where things are being reconstructed how am I assessed How do you 681 00:53:51,749 --> 00:53:54,950 forget the interest for amendment How am I assessed 682 00:53:54,990 --> 00:53:58,615 Sure And I'm glad you pointed that out because that is different than the 683 00:53:58,615 --> 00:53:59,910 interest rate the borrowing Right 684 00:53:59,990 --> 00:54:05,341 I just want to understand because when I look at the thing that big sheet you gave 685 00:54:05,341 --> 00:54:07,230 me it says nothing about that 686 00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:07,710 Sure 687 00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:13,371 That's important to point out but it also is a factor consideration okay that you 688 00:54:13,371 --> 00:54:17,911 all should take into account and I'll maybe lean on Zach or Amy potentially to 689 00:54:17,911 --> 00:54:22,755 weigh in on this because they might know more than I do about comparing to other 690 00:54:22,755 --> 00:54:23,360 cities but 691 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:31,558 we have a total cost of a project and if you have a property that's being improved 692 00:54:31,558 --> 00:54:38,116 we can we can calculate what that cost is to your property Right And so our policy 693 00:54:38,116 --> 00:54:42,360 is to assess half of that improved cost to your property 694 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,960 Half of my piece 695 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:46,760 Correct 696 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:53,217 Correct So if there's 100 hundred homes being affected by this I'm going to pay 697 00:54:53,217 --> 00:54:56,640 100th of it but it's cut by 50% 698 00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:02,811 Correct Yep The city will pay 50% of that assessed improvement And then we assess 699 00:55:02,811 --> 00:55:08,983 the other 50% Now that's just a lower formula or percentage to what some other 700 00:55:08,983 --> 00:55:11,040 communities do for their projects 701 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,200 And that's we we take into account the total cost of the project Correct 702 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:17,480 That's correct Yep 703 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,140 Okay I have more questions but I'll wait 704 00:55:22,340 --> 00:55:22,900 Mayor 705 00:55:23,180 --> 00:55:24,020 So Tony 706 00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:32,037 We What do other cities charge What do other cities charge We're at 50% What are 707 00:55:32,037 --> 00:55:36,860 other cities that you know of charged Is it 75% or is it 708 00:55:37,420 --> 00:55:38,060 Now you're 709 00:55:38,060 --> 00:55:38,260 Really 710 00:55:38,260 --> 00:55:39,420 Trying to pin me down 711 00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:40,660 Just in general 712 00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:47,184 It does vary It depends on the size of the city and what their policy is I think 713 00:55:47,184 --> 00:55:47,820 there are 714 00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:56,594 It's hard for me to give you a number on what some other cities charge Um but 50% 715 00:55:56,594 --> 00:55:58,620 is on the conservative side 716 00:55:58,660 --> 00:56:00,100 Okay That's all I needed right 717 00:56:00,140 --> 00:56:07,392 I think it's fairly typical to see more like 75% Okay Um because the improvement 718 00:56:07,392 --> 00:56:11,260 is going to go to the property owner 719 00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:12,340 Thank you 720 00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:14,340 Sounds like Marshall might have an answer 721 00:56:14,860 --> 00:56:16,500 Is Marshall on Oh 722 00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:17,260 Oh Hi Marshall 723 00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:23,687 I am I am Great to see everybody So if memory serves me correct on that last 724 00:56:23,687 --> 00:56:29,651 question from the mayor I believe it was Kim Busy and I that read a league 725 00:56:29,651 --> 00:56:34,869 conference in Duluth and they asked and it was a conference session on special 726 00:56:34,869 --> 00:56:40,461 assessments and they asked They pulled the room hundreds of people in the room and 727 00:56:40,461 --> 00:56:46,052 said how many people assessed 75% or more of the costs for reconstruction Most hands 728 00:56:46,052 --> 00:56:53,134 went up 50% or more most hands up 50% or less I think it was Kim and I standing 729 00:56:53,134 --> 00:56:57,607 there solely with our hands up So the anecdotal evidence is street 730 00:56:57,607 --> 00:57:03,199 reconstructions are often at 75% or more of the total cost and that's an estimated 731 00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:08,790 cost that can get into great detail with you but I'll leave it at that 732 00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:11,190 Thank you 733 00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:15,190 So 734 00:57:16,970 --> 00:57:23,690 when I look at our policy around interest it talks about the bond buyers index 735 00:57:24,930 --> 00:57:25,610 And so then 736 00:57:26,810 --> 00:57:32,737 I don't know about stuff like that So I look it up and there's tons of bond buyer 737 00:57:32,737 --> 00:57:38,336 indexes Do we use the municipal bonds or which one do we use And it changes from 738 00:57:38,336 --> 00:57:40,970 what I've read daily So how do we 739 00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:47,050 how do we set on this is the rate This is the current rate 740 00:57:47,890 --> 00:57:48,810 If I may 741 00:57:50,290 --> 00:57:50,850 Sure 742 00:57:51,570 --> 00:57:56,881 Yeah Um so the bond buyers index You're right There's a lot of different bond 743 00:57:56,881 --> 00:58:02,900 buyers index The one we're looking at is for the 20 year muni rate which tends to 744 00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:08,919 be and which tends to give uh citizens a benefit from the get go because it's it's 745 00:58:08,919 --> 00:58:15,647 uh it's a double It's similar to what Red wings credit rating and it's a a a a plus 746 00:58:15,647 --> 00:58:21,312 So it's a good rate and it does It fluctuates every day along with any bond 747 00:58:21,312 --> 00:58:26,623 prices in the market So we would technically we just go look on that day 748 00:58:26,623 --> 00:58:31,934 we're going to declare for the assessments pull the bond buyers index from that day 749 00:58:31,934 --> 00:58:36,537 And it doesn't usually deviate substantially over the 30 30 35 days it 750 00:58:36,537 --> 00:58:41,848 takes to get the assessment to the City Council Any other questions I'd be happy 751 00:58:41,848 --> 00:58:42,910 to answer those 752 00:58:44,070 --> 00:58:45,790 So yeah can I keep going 753 00:58:46,990 --> 00:58:48,510 Somebody else says she's on a roll 754 00:58:48,750 --> 00:58:53,706 Well I'm just trying to understand why do why is our policy state that we're going 755 00:58:53,706 --> 00:58:58,971 to choose Um either we're going to use the bonds Um the interest rate for the bonds 756 00:58:58,971 --> 00:59:04,546 that we receive So like this latest one was it was a pretty low rate I mean we 757 00:59:04,546 --> 00:59:10,121 were surprised that it was a lower rate Um but we raise it to to the nearest quarter 758 00:59:10,121 --> 00:59:16,625 percent I get that And then we add the 2% But then in the then it says Or we use the 759 00:59:16,625 --> 00:59:21,890 buyer bond index again rounded up And then we choose whichever is higher Why do we do 760 00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:22,200 that 761 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:28,769 That is just the methodology that the City Council picked at one moment in time 762 00:59:28,769 --> 00:59:35,216 That's been on It's been part of our policy for over 25 years And that's why we 763 00:59:35,216 --> 00:59:40,146 brought this for the council consideration because we frankly we'll we're happy to 764 00:59:40,146 --> 00:59:46,973 use whatever methodology you'd like us to use We just need to be able to go to the 765 00:59:46,973 --> 00:59:53,420 market and be able to say okay this is the rate that we're benchmarking on Round up 766 00:59:53,420 --> 01:00:00,247 by quarter add 2% add 1% whatever it may be But it just so happens that the bond 767 01:00:00,247 --> 01:00:06,315 buyer's index is usually better than the bond If you just go out for some general 768 01:00:06,315 --> 01:00:11,245 bond because then you get commercial and everything else involved When you're using 769 01:00:11,245 --> 01:00:16,934 a government benchmark they tend to be lower than what you'd see For example bank 770 01:00:16,934 --> 01:00:23,760 rates like we go to bank rate.com and find the bank rate for that day as I mentioned 771 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:29,070 earlier But it's likely to be higher than the bond buyer's index because bond 772 01:00:29,070 --> 01:00:33,241 buyer's index is strong municipal governments receive that rating Just again 773 01:00:33,241 --> 01:00:38,930 I mentioned Red wing receives that rating So it's just one methodology out of a 774 01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:44,998 million That just so happened the council decided to utilize and and um as as Tony 775 01:00:44,998 --> 01:00:49,928 mentioned there was some discussion about should we change the methodology And you 776 01:00:49,928 --> 01:00:55,238 can see all the varying methodologies in those three pages of that addendum that 777 01:00:55,238 --> 01:01:01,306 got attached to that exhibit There's no real rhyme or reason to it It's just the 778 01:01:01,306 --> 01:01:04,340 one that was selected 25 plus years ago 779 01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:08,580 Anyone else comments Becky 780 01:01:09,110 --> 01:01:13,728 Well yeah I mean I'm glad that this came up And I think that one of the pieces that 781 01:01:13,728 --> 01:01:15,430 might also be missing from this is 782 01:01:16,510 --> 01:01:21,396 there were this is if I'm recalling correctly there were some times when the 783 01:01:21,396 --> 01:01:27,329 bond rating was more or less favorable to let's say the home owner Um and so that 784 01:01:27,329 --> 01:01:32,565 made a difference to if we were assessing it on June versus on October And 785 01:01:32,565 --> 01:01:38,149 ultimately my question is this have we ever done a study of let's say that our 786 01:01:38,149 --> 01:01:44,082 last I don't know five years or 8 or 10 years worth of projects using this formula 787 01:01:44,082 --> 01:01:48,270 if we have what percent of our street reconstruction projects have we 788 01:01:50,070 --> 01:01:55,006 has this method covered So I know that that's a separate question than have we 789 01:01:55,006 --> 01:01:57,310 been paid Because I know sometimes we 790 01:01:58,350 --> 01:02:02,642 people don't pay their property taxes right And so we haven't gotten that money 791 01:02:02,642 --> 01:02:07,240 in So that's not really what I'm looking for I'm really looking for studying this 792 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:11,838 methodology are we coming out of that 50% benchmark That's what our goal if I'm 793 01:02:11,838 --> 01:02:16,130 understanding correctly that's what our goal is is 50% of the project cost correct 794 01:02:16,970 --> 01:02:18,770 So there's two questions in there 795 01:02:18,810 --> 01:02:19,170 Yeah 796 01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:26,032 The first I'll answer by saying we have used the same methodology for at least the 797 01:02:26,032 --> 01:02:32,558 last 27 years Um the second part is really something Zach's a better expert on but we 798 01:02:32,558 --> 01:02:37,549 set in the fee schedule We set an assessment rate for reconstruction That 799 01:02:37,549 --> 01:02:42,923 rate approximates 50% of the cost per foot of street reconstruction So we've we're 800 01:02:42,923 --> 01:02:48,297 covering two things here One is the assessment rate That's the I'll just call 801 01:02:48,297 --> 01:02:55,207 it Zach can correct me $55 a foot The linear foot And then on top of that we 802 01:02:55,207 --> 01:03:00,582 have that time value of money financing cost which is an interest rate component 803 01:03:00,582 --> 01:03:06,340 that we're discussing now I don't know if that answers the question or not but 804 01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:15,431 Yes and or yes But um I mean we're the write up talks about that We're trying to 805 01:03:15,431 --> 01:03:20,940 if we don't cover enough then it moves towards the other taxpayers And if we 806 01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:26,449 cover too much it's an unnecessary burden on the resident who's paying that So I 807 01:03:26,449 --> 01:03:32,325 guess what I'm asking for is there must be some way to analyze whether we're hitting 808 01:03:32,325 --> 01:03:33,060 the middle 809 01:03:34,940 --> 01:03:43,991 So by definition if we just stick with that 50 if we just stick with my $50 or 810 01:03:43,991 --> 01:03:50,025 $55 per linear foot example that's approximately 50% of the cost So 811 01:03:50,025 --> 01:03:58,070 theoretically we are assessing 50% of the cost because we know how much it costs per 812 01:03:58,070 --> 01:04:06,618 linear foot So we're covering 55% or 50% of the costs on that $55 And we're also 813 01:04:06,618 --> 01:04:12,149 trying to address these other issues like administrative costs recording costs 814 01:04:12,149 --> 01:04:17,680 financing costs all in this interest rate But again there's no 815 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:24,661 perfect methodology So we're optimistic that um if there's a discussion or debate 816 01:04:24,661 --> 01:04:29,960 there was three pages of different methodologies to really choose from What 817 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:36,142 finances we're really concerned about is that we just end up with a standardized 818 01:04:36,142 --> 01:04:41,000 methodology Um the preference on that methodology is totally the council's 819 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:43,880 Don has a question 820 01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:50,859 Um when we when we do a street project whether it's a resurfacing or a complete 821 01:04:50,859 --> 01:04:57,892 reconstruct is the uh the do we base that 50% off the total cost of a reconstruct 822 01:04:57,892 --> 01:04:59,960 the same as a resurfacing 823 01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:03,940 Um I think this is where Zach would be handy 824 01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:11,400 So I can chime in a couple things So when it comes to resurfacing if you're talking 825 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:16,534 the historically mill and overlays um we don't assess for that at all So there's 826 01:05:16,534 --> 01:05:20,300 zero cost to homeowners Um we only assess for street reconstructs 827 01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:27,207 that cost So it's one correction We generally actually assess for only 25% not 828 01:05:27,207 --> 01:05:33,150 50% in that ballpark I believe uh seventh Street we were actually under 10% largely 829 01:05:33,150 --> 01:05:40,281 because a lot of that right of way was the highway right of way So we're we're fairly 830 01:05:40,281 --> 01:05:46,620 low A lot of communities are probably in that 50% give or take Um but we 831 01:05:48,260 --> 01:05:54,843 assess you can do a bunch of different ways We assess based on our fee schedule 832 01:05:54,843 --> 01:06:01,015 which sets an amount per linear foot which is actually $56 currently So Marshall was 833 01:06:01,015 --> 01:06:08,010 very close We base that on looking at our past projects and kind of setting a rate 834 01:06:08,010 --> 01:06:12,948 rather than doing every single individual project and setting a special assessment 835 01:06:12,948 --> 01:06:19,120 rate for that individual project Um that method I don't think is super common There 836 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:26,115 are a lot of communities that move it to an even simpler approach and just assign a 837 01:06:26,115 --> 01:06:31,464 assessment amount per lot period So you're not calculating an assessment amount based 838 01:06:31,464 --> 01:06:38,459 on lot sizes and whatnot But we do that and ours is based on frontage of street 839 01:06:38,459 --> 01:06:43,808 that they have generally And it is comprised of both a street assessment 840 01:06:43,808 --> 01:06:49,569 amount And then if homes have their private utility laterals that need to be 841 01:06:49,569 --> 01:06:55,329 replaced their sewer and water that's also assessed So there are separate charges but 842 01:06:55,329 --> 01:07:01,090 in the end they get put into one assessment amount and that is the 843 01:07:01,090 --> 01:07:03,970 assessment amount that is then charged interest 844 01:07:04,010 --> 01:07:05,610 You're talking from the street to the home 845 01:07:06,610 --> 01:07:11,545 From the street to the right away So we don't do work on private property but we 846 01:07:11,545 --> 01:07:15,610 replace their private lateral from our main line to the right of way line 847 01:07:15,650 --> 01:07:16,130 Gotcha 848 01:07:16,170 --> 01:07:22,341 And that's what we charge for If they don't currently meet code which oftentimes 849 01:07:22,341 --> 01:07:28,953 they don't because it's old parts of town Um and so together with the utility 850 01:07:28,953 --> 01:07:36,005 assessment and our street assessment that ends up being around 25% 20 to 25% of our 851 01:07:36,005 --> 01:07:38,650 total costs that we assess for 852 01:07:39,730 --> 01:07:47,970 And is that a 25% rather than the 50% Is that a policy Who who determined 25% 853 01:07:48,250 --> 01:07:53,513 Yeah So I don't know what the year was on our assessment policy but it's several a 854 01:07:53,513 --> 01:07:58,467 few probably as old as the interest rate policy a couple decades old We have an 855 01:07:58,467 --> 01:08:01,873 assessment policy that outlines all that and there's technically three different 856 01:08:01,873 --> 01:08:05,588 methods we use to look at assessment calculations All that's an assessment 857 01:08:05,588 --> 01:08:11,161 policy Let's say if we update it like last year we did update it in our fee schedule 858 01:08:11,161 --> 01:08:11,780 which we 859 01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:19,951 look at our reconstruct data and adjust it if needed and try to stay in line with 860 01:08:19,951 --> 01:08:20,780 that amount 861 01:08:24,460 --> 01:08:24,740 Thank you 862 01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:25,380 Joe Go ahead 863 01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:27,180 No I knew that you had your hand 864 01:08:27,220 --> 01:08:28,660 Oh go ahead 865 01:08:28,780 --> 01:08:34,842 Okay Thank you Um I appreciate all of this conversation And one of the reasons that I 866 01:08:34,842 --> 01:08:39,835 had um asked about this um the interest rate was because residents had come 867 01:08:39,835 --> 01:08:45,541 forward and they made um there were a few different public comments And one of the 868 01:08:45,541 --> 01:08:49,820 things that that I was asking is what is our actual cost 869 01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:54,953 for doing business on this So I understand we're charging the interest rate because 870 01:08:54,953 --> 01:08:57,000 we're getting charged interest rate and I 871 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:04,019 passing it on But my question is um because now I'm hearing that this has been 872 01:09:04,019 --> 01:09:10,039 going on for 20 some years but um when I did research last September I understand 873 01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:16,058 that there was a revision in uh completed in 2017 So um that's I'm just curious 874 01:09:16,058 --> 01:09:21,325 about what does the city actually need from a resident with the assessment And 875 01:09:21,325 --> 01:09:27,345 that's my question about the interest And so the question for this body is do we 876 01:09:27,345 --> 01:09:34,117 need that extra rounded up and 2% or do we not need that And um particularly when um 877 01:09:34,117 --> 01:09:39,760 folks were talking about if they could go out and refinance it they would have 878 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,981 and they can't afford to do that So here they're stuck with this interest rate And 879 01:09:45,981 --> 01:09:51,122 one of the things I appreciate is that once it's locked in it's locked in which 880 01:09:51,122 --> 01:09:56,584 is which is a double edged sword right So if the interest rates go way down then 881 01:09:56,584 --> 01:10:01,403 they're still locked into that interest rate But if interest rates go way back go 882 01:10:01,403 --> 01:10:06,865 way up then they are still locked in But that's my my ultimate question is what do 883 01:10:06,865 --> 01:10:12,006 we really need and what are we willing What is this body willing to accept or 884 01:10:12,006 --> 01:10:12,970 charge for that 885 01:10:14,970 --> 01:10:17,970 opportunity for the person to have to pay the assessment 886 01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:21,170 And what do we really need 887 01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:28,287 Can I let Ron ask a question Maybe they'll build on it Is that okay Or did you have 888 01:10:28,287 --> 01:10:29,970 or did you even have your hand up 889 01:10:30,010 --> 01:10:31,210 Yeah I did yeah 890 01:10:31,250 --> 01:10:34,850 Would that add on to it or should we let the staff respond to that one 891 01:10:34,890 --> 01:10:37,410 Let let staff respond and then I'll respond 892 01:10:37,530 --> 01:10:43,328 No I I don't know that that was a question directed at finance specifically or staff 893 01:10:43,328 --> 01:10:50,213 I think that was a good way of framing It is as Zach pointed out we're on the very 894 01:10:50,213 --> 01:10:55,286 conservative end of financing and funding These projects were way less than 50% of 895 01:10:55,286 --> 01:11:00,721 the assessed value of the project So it's a financing source that council needs to 896 01:11:00,721 --> 01:11:06,157 consider what our policy is both on the assessed rate as well as the borrowing 897 01:11:06,157 --> 01:11:11,230 rate so that we can do these projects in a sustainable way without placing 898 01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:16,030 too much burden maybe just on overall 899 01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:21,310 General fund tax residents essentially Yeah 900 01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:22,190 Yep 901 01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:29,017 A comment that you know with our low uh assessment to the actual homeowner you 902 01:11:29,017 --> 01:11:33,563 know we're much lower than the norm Our interest rate policy is pretty much right 903 01:11:33,563 --> 01:11:38,413 at the norm you know for all the examples you showed but in relation to your 904 01:11:38,413 --> 01:11:42,656 question residents saying well they go out and refinance it themselves or they could 905 01:11:42,656 --> 01:11:47,809 afford to do it Well the city has to pay upfront costs as well to administer the 906 01:11:47,809 --> 01:11:52,052 bond So if you're going to go and buy by bonds There's administrative costs 907 01:11:52,052 --> 01:11:55,993 associated with doing that just like closing costs and things like that Just 908 01:11:55,993 --> 01:12:01,146 just the same not the same as a mortgage but similar to a mortgage So that's part 909 01:12:01,146 --> 01:12:05,692 of that additional interest rate piece But I think um you know we are very 910 01:12:05,692 --> 01:12:09,632 conservative on what we're charging the the residents to begin with So they're 911 01:12:09,632 --> 01:12:13,876 paying an interest rate on a much lower principal than they would in other 912 01:12:13,876 --> 01:12:17,210 communities So I think I think we're good where we're at 913 01:12:20,410 --> 01:12:22,090 Mayor And then I will go to Kim 914 01:12:22,210 --> 01:12:28,037 I want to say that I have a building on Old West Main And when you redid Old West 915 01:12:28,037 --> 01:12:32,943 Main what I was charged was very very reasonable I think it was 10 or $11,000 916 01:12:32,943 --> 01:12:39,077 for my 60 foot And I thought it was very For what we got out of that on Old West 917 01:12:39,077 --> 01:12:41,530 Main I think it was very very good 918 01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:44,570 Kim And then I think 919 01:12:45,090 --> 01:12:45,850 I'll just 920 01:12:46,980 --> 01:12:52,580 Echo what Ron said You know I think our interest rates are reasonable 921 01:12:53,900 --> 01:13:00,260 for what we do and with what we assess people on projects is way below the norm 922 01:13:00,260 --> 01:13:05,498 Having been at the conference of the League of Minnesota Cities and being the 923 01:13:05,498 --> 01:13:06,620 last men standing 924 01:13:08,740 --> 01:13:14,894 It's like people kind of were amazed So I think we're in the ballpark and we're fair 925 01:13:14,894 --> 01:13:15,980 to our residents 926 01:13:17,020 --> 01:13:17,420 Becky 927 01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:21,906 Well I'll agree with that I think considering that we're at that 25% 928 01:13:21,906 --> 01:13:26,787 assessment rate I don't have an issue so much with this now that I understand a 929 01:13:26,787 --> 01:13:31,973 little bit more But I will say this I'll contrast a little bit I looked at similar 930 01:13:31,973 --> 01:13:36,244 homes and some of the last few reconstruction projects And while it is a 931 01:13:36,244 --> 01:13:41,431 low rate I've thought about what it would do to you know my income having to pay 932 01:13:41,431 --> 01:13:46,922 some of what I was assessed And that would have been a really hard hit for me And 933 01:13:46,922 --> 01:13:52,718 what I think is a pretty modest home Um so in contrast I thought it was it can hit 934 01:13:52,718 --> 01:13:57,599 hard for families but given that um I think that I think I asked the same 935 01:13:57,599 --> 01:14:00,040 question really that Vicki Joe asked which is 936 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:07,461 what what are we trying to accomplish What is the cost Are we trying to So I I think 937 01:14:07,461 --> 01:14:12,801 there's an ambiguity ambiguity about what the cost is I think that the cost is the 938 01:14:12,801 --> 01:14:17,474 build and the administrative costs and staff time and all the other things that 939 01:14:17,474 --> 01:14:23,481 we do not just how much concrete we pour Right But like Zach said it's also all the 940 01:14:23,481 --> 01:14:28,488 you know the sewer and water and all of those things Um plus the administrative 941 01:14:28,488 --> 01:14:34,161 costs it might not be the borrowing rate that might be a separate thing or it could 942 01:14:34,161 --> 01:14:40,169 be looped into the cost But I think what we should be thinking about is are is the 943 01:14:40,169 --> 01:14:45,175 goal to cover 25% of the total cost which includes administrative And then are we 944 01:14:45,175 --> 01:14:50,515 accomplishing that or is the goal to do 25% of the total cost plus recoup our 945 01:14:50,515 --> 01:14:56,189 borrowing rate And if that's the goal then when we do it internally when we don't do 946 01:14:56,189 --> 01:15:01,863 a bond we would change the line in there that says if it's an internal I think 947 01:15:01,863 --> 01:15:02,530 there is 948 01:15:03,730 --> 01:15:09,445 There's a specific line Um if no debt was issued the rate of interest shall be the 949 01:15:09,445 --> 01:15:14,824 bond buyer's index rounded up But if it's an internally funded no debt then why are 950 01:15:14,824 --> 01:15:20,202 we recouping that interest if we're not trying to recoup that bond again For now I 951 01:15:20,202 --> 01:15:25,917 think because we're at a 25% assessment um which is I agree which is a low assessment 952 01:15:25,917 --> 01:15:30,960 rate though it would feel pretty heavy for for some residents So I'm not advocating 953 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:36,003 to change that because I think that that you know everybody tips into the pot 954 01:15:36,003 --> 01:15:40,373 That's the other philosophy is that everybody who uses the streets chips into 955 01:15:40,373 --> 01:15:46,424 that pot which is how we're Why it's paid by the taxpayers why the other 75% is paid 956 01:15:46,424 --> 01:15:51,803 by the taxpayers Um so given that I support what we have right now However I 957 01:15:51,803 --> 01:15:56,845 think that this merits some further study What is our objective and then is the 958 01:15:56,845 --> 01:15:58,190 policy meeting that objective 959 01:16:01,030 --> 01:16:06,470 So I just want to clarify something is I mean Tony we assessed 50% do we not 960 01:16:08,110 --> 01:16:14,667 Well as Zach pointed out um 50% is our policy But in practice based on that fee 961 01:16:14,667 --> 01:16:18,910 schedule we're actually assessing quite a bit less more like 25% 962 01:16:19,390 --> 01:16:24,060 But that depends on the project So I mean you have a you have an alleyway If you're 963 01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:27,952 if you're doing an alleyway or something of that nature I would guess that's being 964 01:16:27,952 --> 01:16:28,990 assessed at 50% right 965 01:16:29,710 --> 01:16:32,230 Yeah They have different rates Um yeah 966 01:16:32,430 --> 01:16:36,230 So it's not 25 across the board I mean it can vary 967 01:16:36,270 --> 01:16:36,630 Yeah 968 01:16:37,390 --> 01:16:40,640 They generally end up being fairly low though Um 969 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:48,120 yeah Not we don't ever really hit 50% or even close to it 970 01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:49,720 Okay 971 01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:54,920 Well does anybody else have any last thoughts or 972 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:56,920 Actions 973 01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,280 To take No action So I want to make sure we didn't move on before 974 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,760 And if we took no action that means it stays in place Correct Okay 975 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,720 All right We'll move on to nine C then which is the 2027 budget discussion 976 01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:16,840 Tony's on the hot spot today 977 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,200 Yeah we really stacked mine back to back here 978 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,680 Thank you Yep You're ready to go 979 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:28,703 Um I'm going to get this one going from up here And then I'll probably slide back 980 01:17:28,703 --> 01:17:33,735 over just so I'm it's easier to answer questions from over there but I'll just 981 01:17:33,735 --> 01:17:39,438 give the quick overview here Um so 2027 budget We had a workshop On August 3rd How 982 01:17:39,438 --> 01:17:40,780 do I get this 983 01:17:40,980 --> 01:17:42,100 Bottom right corner 984 01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:49,060 Slide show 985 01:17:54,580 --> 01:17:55,580 Thank you Michelle 986 01:17:56,700 --> 01:18:06,220 So 2027 budget update On August 3rd we had a preliminary workshop at which we had a 987 01:18:06,220 --> 01:18:07,340 3.99% levy 988 01:18:10,060 --> 01:18:18,414 So as you see on the top here we were at a 3.99% levy level Um what we've done is we 989 01:18:18,414 --> 01:18:23,984 have some updates here that we can talk about tonight or have further discussion 990 01:18:23,984 --> 01:18:30,349 on where council wants to be Um and then there's some questions to be answered or 991 01:18:30,349 --> 01:18:31,940 discussed Now this is 992 01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:38,059 this is a fluid process as finance says several times I mean there's updates and 993 01:18:38,059 --> 01:18:43,018 changes We're trying to capture some static data here to give you for a one 994 01:18:43,018 --> 01:18:48,638 moment in time shot Um but what I tried to do here that's a little different from 995 01:18:48,638 --> 01:18:53,927 what we included in the staff report is those above the line items there we have 996 01:18:53,927 --> 01:18:59,216 the preliminary proposed and then we have a couple of items that are above the line 997 01:18:59,216 --> 01:19:05,167 Now one of them is a CIP project itself Um that's one that was brought up at that 998 01:19:05,167 --> 01:19:09,465 August 3rd workshop And we had the discussion and that was a redundant 999 01:19:09,465 --> 01:19:12,440 project that simply has been eliminated from the CIP 1000 01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:16,680 Um that second item there the miscellaneous changes 1001 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:24,711 That includes dozens probably even a hundred minor changes to the budget minor 1002 01:19:24,711 --> 01:19:29,945 little operating things that departments have either requested to add or we've 1003 01:19:29,945 --> 01:19:36,924 continued to fine tune And you know a department has said we don't need a couple 1004 01:19:36,924 --> 01:19:42,158 of printers or things so that that miscellaneous changes line that is 1005 01:19:42,158 --> 01:19:48,265 capturing all of those operating one time specific things and just netting them all 1006 01:19:48,265 --> 01:19:54,808 together rather than listing out a hundred separate changes for you So then those are 1007 01:19:54,808 --> 01:20:00,915 those are the changes that essentially have been made already Um we have enough 1008 01:20:00,915 --> 01:20:06,585 information to factor those in Then there's those below the item changes And 1009 01:20:06,585 --> 01:20:08,330 these are things that 1010 01:20:09,730 --> 01:20:14,255 need more discussion need more information We don't have final determination on any 1011 01:20:14,255 --> 01:20:19,824 of these but we felt like it's an important time that we at least have some 1012 01:20:19,824 --> 01:20:25,392 good enough information on all of them and just need to start the discussion on some 1013 01:20:25,392 --> 01:20:31,309 of these projects So um we have a couple CIP items that I think Zach will briefly 1014 01:20:31,309 --> 01:20:34,790 touch on tonight just for a little more explanation Um 1015 01:20:35,870 --> 01:20:41,395 and then the item there for eliminating extra that's one that's been asked for by 1016 01:20:41,395 --> 01:20:46,183 council for over a year now We finally we've worked with IntelliSense The 1017 01:20:46,183 --> 01:20:52,445 insurance committee has met in August we were able to take a look at the data and 1018 01:20:52,445 --> 01:20:57,970 get a pretty conservative So this is a very conservative number and we feel like 1019 01:20:57,970 --> 01:21:04,599 it's going to be important for you to keep that number in mind or that part of the 1020 01:21:04,599 --> 01:21:10,861 discussion um based on a number of factors that are going to occur We still have a 1021 01:21:10,861 --> 01:21:16,386 workshop in August or not August It is August in October October 5th Um that'll 1022 01:21:16,386 --> 01:21:22,647 go into this a little more depth but we've done enough legwork to have a number here 1023 01:21:22,647 --> 01:21:27,804 to be able to show you the conservative potential impact This number hopefully is 1024 01:21:27,804 --> 01:21:35,170 on the high side As far as if a change needed to be made Um so all of this what 1025 01:21:35,170 --> 01:21:41,432 it does is it captures where we were at as of publishing this for you last Thursday 1026 01:21:41,432 --> 01:21:47,693 which is essentially if we made all these changes now some of which still need to be 1027 01:21:47,693 --> 01:21:50,640 determined we're at roughly a 3.5% levy increase 1028 01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:52,240 Um 1029 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:59,480 So then what we've done based on the last discussion and Chris will probably chime 1030 01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:03,640 in on this point is based on feedback from the August 3rd workshop 1031 01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:10,516 We've added in either a 2% preliminary levy increase to offer council flexibility 1032 01:22:10,516 --> 01:22:16,241 or a 1% preliminary levy increase for flexibility or the third option that's not 1033 01:22:16,241 --> 01:22:22,783 listed here but would just go right from where we left off on the August 3rd 1034 01:22:22,783 --> 01:22:28,917 workshop would be to stay at a 3.99% Preliminary levy I think those options are 1035 01:22:28,917 --> 01:22:35,051 all things that we should discuss And if there's any other changes or things that 1036 01:22:35,051 --> 01:22:40,367 were included in the packet for attachments if you have any of those 1037 01:22:40,367 --> 01:22:42,820 questions I'll be ready to answer 1038 01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:48,840 And maybe I'll just clarify again to Tony and Chris and Marshall on there So we're 1039 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:53,057 looking at a preliminary levy vote on September 14th So that's why this is 1040 01:22:53,057 --> 01:22:53,660 extremely important 1041 01:22:53,660 --> 01:22:54,260 Correct 1042 01:22:54,740 --> 01:22:55,100 Correct 1043 01:22:55,100 --> 01:22:56,060 I'll go back to the 1044 01:22:56,580 --> 01:22:58,740 With no more workshops between now and then 1045 01:22:58,780 --> 01:23:00,460 Correct I'll go back to the 1046 01:23:00,460 --> 01:23:01,500 Calendar really quickly 1047 01:23:01,540 --> 01:23:01,980 Yes 1048 01:23:02,180 --> 01:23:07,184 The next budget date we have is that September 14th And we need to set 1049 01:23:07,184 --> 01:23:12,855 preliminary levies for the city And then of course the port and the HRA Um so this 1050 01:23:12,855 --> 01:23:17,526 is kind of our last opportunity for direction on what you want prepared um 1051 01:23:17,526 --> 01:23:18,860 prior to that meeting 1052 01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:21,820 And we can always go lower on a final levy if we need to 1053 01:23:21,860 --> 01:23:22,420 Mhm 1054 01:23:22,460 --> 01:23:24,340 Yes That's an important consideration 1055 01:23:24,340 --> 01:23:25,260 For me too 1056 01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:27,220 So we can't go up 1057 01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:27,790 Yes 1058 01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:31,630 Thank you And then I'll leave That was my last 1059 01:23:32,670 --> 01:23:39,033 So if I could play the transition music Tony can go back to his seat I'm going to 1060 01:23:39,033 --> 01:23:44,690 say the important piece here is that that that number the 301 is a really good 1061 01:23:44,690 --> 01:23:49,993 number for going back to the the group health plan But the piece that really 1062 01:23:49,993 --> 01:23:55,649 needs to come at that October So it will be after our setting the preliminary levy 1063 01:23:55,649 --> 01:24:02,013 is what are the potential impacts one year down the road So that is um in some ways 1064 01:24:02,013 --> 01:24:06,962 it's because of the diligent work of separating out some of the higher cost 1065 01:24:06,962 --> 01:24:12,619 claimants And and um you know having that option that has enabled us to get like 1066 01:24:12,619 --> 01:24:18,628 last year we wouldn't have gotten that bid It would have been closer to I think it 1067 01:24:18,628 --> 01:24:23,931 was over a million in estimates that we had from IntelliSense to to actually add 1068 01:24:23,931 --> 01:24:29,234 the currently 37 exempt employees back to the group plan This year the estimate is 1069 01:24:29,234 --> 01:24:34,184 301,000 It's doable but then the renewal for the entire group could be significant 1070 01:24:34,184 --> 01:24:40,194 Like we could be looking at the 15 20 25% renewal cost So there's a lot more 1071 01:24:40,194 --> 01:24:45,850 information that needs to be in front of you before anyone makes a decision on that 1072 01:24:45,890 --> 01:24:46,410 For sure 1073 01:24:46,610 --> 01:24:50,501 And maybe to piggyback that's one of the important things of the staff survey that 1074 01:24:50,501 --> 01:24:54,651 we talked about a little bit today with DDA So yes because I know some people 1075 01:24:54,651 --> 01:24:58,802 don't care for it but there might be some employees out there that really like it 1076 01:24:58,802 --> 01:25:02,952 too So I think it'll be really important to figure out what our staff needs and 1077 01:25:02,952 --> 01:25:03,730 wants So Right 1078 01:25:04,330 --> 01:25:09,812 So then the other thing that I think Tony alluded to is a couple of these CIP items 1079 01:25:09,812 --> 01:25:14,685 We really haven't had exclusive updates on them And I don't know how much detail you 1080 01:25:14,685 --> 01:25:17,730 can provide on the spot Zach But if on the 1081 01:25:19,090 --> 01:25:24,078 at least explaining what the $150,000 Broad Street to the crossing improvements 1082 01:25:24,078 --> 01:25:29,896 and what that implies for moving forward with grant projects And then secondly the 1083 01:25:29,896 --> 01:25:32,390 what the intended purpose of the 1084 01:25:33,390 --> 01:25:36,470 2705 Riverfront Trail expenditures were for 1085 01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:43,696 Yeah I can give an update I'll just go in the order there So the first one with the 1086 01:25:43,696 --> 01:25:48,726 Broad Street railroad crossing uh that one is for the Broad Street railroad crossing 1087 01:25:48,726 --> 01:25:53,396 specifically pedestrian focused uh the roadway and all that is fine Um nothing 1088 01:25:53,396 --> 01:25:59,144 specifically there Uh this initially kind of came back up I mean it was talked about 1089 01:25:59,144 --> 01:26:04,533 throughout the quiet zone process for the last couple decades when that was in the 1090 01:26:04,533 --> 01:26:09,922 works And then as we finalized that process um and I believe I talked briefly 1091 01:26:09,922 --> 01:26:15,311 about this a couple times in the past when we've talked about the implementation of 1092 01:26:15,311 --> 01:26:16,030 this one 1093 01:26:17,150 --> 01:26:23,120 Pedestrian improvements are not a specific requirement for quiet zones yet They're 1094 01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:29,767 like an ancillary thing Essentially if the railroad thinks it's not good enough they 1095 01:26:29,767 --> 01:26:35,415 could require an improvement to be made there But there's not a specific criteria 1096 01:26:35,415 --> 01:26:41,869 like there is for the roadway Um and so during our process we they basically did 1097 01:26:41,869 --> 01:26:47,920 identify that it's not ideal And if you would look out there you'd probably tell 1098 01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:54,374 why there's not enough space The gate arms are in the sidewalks It's not an ideal 1099 01:26:54,374 --> 01:26:59,618 crossing for pedestrians And it's a really not great crossing for bicyclists using 1100 01:26:59,618 --> 01:27:06,072 the roadway with the turns and access to the trail there Um so it's something just 1101 01:27:06,072 --> 01:27:12,527 we leave ourselves a potential risk of losing the quiet zone If for a reason the 1102 01:27:12,527 --> 01:27:19,788 railroad were to come back or the Fra in the future and say you know we don't think 1103 01:27:19,788 --> 01:27:27,049 this is safe enough So that's just a piece of it But just in general we know that 1104 01:27:27,049 --> 01:27:32,696 that's our one and only crossing in the entire downtown corridor It's adjacent to 1105 01:27:32,696 --> 01:27:37,133 the Amtrak station The why Potential future uh large residential developments 1106 01:27:37,133 --> 01:27:41,974 the Saint James the Riverboats levee park essentially our trailhead to the 1107 01:27:41,974 --> 01:27:48,025 Riverfront trail which will tie into the next item So there's a lot of movement 1108 01:27:48,025 --> 01:27:52,865 there And from an engineering perspective I believe from a community development 1109 01:27:52,865 --> 01:27:58,916 perspective Kyle's been involved in the discussions to um we think it would be a 1110 01:27:58,916 --> 01:28:03,757 worthwhile improvement for pedestrians and bicyclists to upgrade that crossing Uh so 1111 01:28:03,757 --> 01:28:09,808 that's why that's in there The specific amount is to basically get through a do 1112 01:28:09,808 --> 01:28:16,262 the design of the project That would be assuming we go after some grants this fall 1113 01:28:16,262 --> 01:28:23,120 which this all kind of implies Um we have a good chance of scoring well on grants 1114 01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:29,574 and we have funds this year to do that application process And if we got those 1115 01:28:29,574 --> 01:28:36,431 grants typically they're like one and two is out Um depending on the grant So I'd be 1116 01:28:36,431 --> 01:28:42,079 looking at a design next year with the implementation in 2028 to utilize grant 1117 01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:47,726 funding But grant funding doesn't cover the entire process So you know say next 1118 01:28:47,726 --> 01:28:50,550 year's CIP there would be likely another 1119 01:28:51,950 --> 01:28:57,092 if it was all city funded probably at least about 350,000 to do the final 1120 01:28:57,092 --> 01:29:01,891 construction for the non city match portion So if that's a project that you 1121 01:29:01,891 --> 01:29:06,691 want to commit to there's further commitments But unless we want to fund it 1122 01:29:06,691 --> 01:29:13,204 all we do need we would need to start and go after the grants and to go after the 1123 01:29:13,204 --> 01:29:18,689 grants We need to commit to the project That's what that one's there for Um the 1124 01:29:18,689 --> 01:29:23,831 Riverfront trail kind of just alluded to that This this also goes back a few 1125 01:29:23,831 --> 01:29:29,316 decades and it has been worked through up to this point with getting it connected to 1126 01:29:29,316 --> 01:29:34,115 Bay point getting it connected to Levee Park Just this year finishing up that 1127 01:29:34,115 --> 01:29:39,257 connection between Barn Bluff and Covell Park Now the one and only remaining gap is 1128 01:29:39,257 --> 01:29:44,056 between Barn Bluff and Levee Park And prior to doing the segment we just 1129 01:29:44,056 --> 01:29:49,198 completed that was actually the targeted segment back in the last decade or so And 1130 01:29:49,198 --> 01:29:54,683 there's some challenges with that A fair amount of money was spent on a study that 1131 01:29:54,683 --> 01:29:59,825 looked at a bunch of aspects regarding the river route and the challenges there and 1132 01:29:59,825 --> 01:30:04,281 basically they skipped over that segment tackled the segment that was more doable 1133 01:30:04,281 --> 01:30:09,766 immediately So now we're circling back to completing that gap which is why I put it 1134 01:30:09,766 --> 01:30:14,908 in there We do also have in my head just thinking towards their other future 1135 01:30:14,908 --> 01:30:20,736 projects that it ties into as well Uh the plan that would go along the river has 1136 01:30:20,736 --> 01:30:24,850 been identified as going around the wastewater treatment plant on the water 1137 01:30:24,850 --> 01:30:29,649 side We're obviously in the midst of talking about that project and just making 1138 01:30:29,649 --> 01:30:35,134 sure that if that was the route that that would accommodate it And just talk briefly 1139 01:30:35,134 --> 01:30:40,276 with Sean And we think that it it'd probably be fine to accommodate but it's 1140 01:30:40,276 --> 01:30:46,103 good to keep in mind that we're not going to cost ourselves more money in the future 1141 01:30:46,103 --> 01:30:51,588 by not properly accommodating that or the other reason why I put this in there And 1142 01:30:51,588 --> 01:30:57,416 these are just for more feasibility um studies to just get us more on the path to 1143 01:30:57,416 --> 01:31:02,215 actually getting something done If we can't go the river route what are our 1144 01:31:02,215 --> 01:31:08,386 options In my mind the other option is to go the other way around the bluff It's not 1145 01:31:08,386 --> 01:31:13,528 really desired And back in the early 2000 when there was a steering committee and 1146 01:31:13,528 --> 01:31:17,641 everything developed that was very specific to a riverfront trail So that's 1147 01:31:17,641 --> 01:31:23,812 why that's the preferred option to go on the river But if that were to not be the 1148 01:31:23,812 --> 01:31:28,268 desired option potential to go down Fifth Street and connect in through downtown 1149 01:31:28,268 --> 01:31:34,096 more or less And if we do that there's likely a chance we'd end up going down 1150 01:31:34,096 --> 01:31:39,238 Fifth Street to fourth Street to Potter Street and maybe tying in with say the 1151 01:31:39,238 --> 01:31:43,694 Eisenhower Bridge And in 2029 we have plans to reconstruct Potter and Fourth 1152 01:31:43,694 --> 01:31:49,522 Street So also wanting to make sure if that was a route that we wanted to pivot 1153 01:31:49,522 --> 01:31:55,693 to we don't put in sidewalk and then want to tear that sidewalk out and put in a 1154 01:31:55,693 --> 01:32:00,835 trail So just trying to make sure we're forward thinking a bit and covering all 1155 01:32:00,835 --> 01:32:05,291 our bases with that feasibility study And that amount would definitely should be 1156 01:32:05,291 --> 01:32:09,747 enough to do feasibility study some public engagement to see if public viewpoints 1157 01:32:09,747 --> 01:32:15,918 have changed and try to get this to a point where we could make a decision to go 1158 01:32:15,918 --> 01:32:21,060 no go after grants or other funding or whatever the next steps would look like 1159 01:32:22,980 --> 01:32:25,740 Madam president if I could for sure 1160 01:32:25,780 --> 01:32:26,620 Go ahead Marshall 1161 01:32:26,940 --> 01:32:32,921 I would just mention there on the list because I placed them on the list because 1162 01:32:32,921 --> 01:32:37,781 they do need some more internal dialogue There has also been conversations previous 1163 01:32:37,781 --> 01:32:43,389 to the on the rail crossing trying to get that incorporated within the TIF district 1164 01:32:43,389 --> 01:32:48,622 and utilizing TIF revenue if there is sufficient TIF revenue to help pay for 1165 01:32:48,622 --> 01:32:54,977 that And there's also um we just like a little more time to make sure we don't 1166 01:32:54,977 --> 01:33:00,211 have a comprehensive study on that small segment to connect over towards the water 1167 01:33:00,211 --> 01:33:05,071 treatment plant So um those are just a couple more considerations More internal 1168 01:33:05,071 --> 01:33:06,940 dialogue is necessary on those 1169 01:33:09,020 --> 01:33:14,126 Well thank you Question Any other questions or thoughts at this time on the 1170 01:33:14,126 --> 01:33:15,950 Cips Maybe we start there 1171 01:33:22,630 --> 01:33:28,140 Okay I guess not Is there anything else that we want to cover on that then that we 1172 01:33:28,140 --> 01:33:29,670 did on the Cips and 1173 01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:32,870 We can go to the next slide 1174 01:33:32,910 --> 01:33:33,950 Okay Um 1175 01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:40,124 So what we're looking for tonight I guess is any direction on we've tried to 1176 01:33:40,124 --> 01:33:45,772 highlight a few of the larger things to keep in mind that still need to be 1177 01:33:45,772 --> 01:33:51,419 determined You know if there's a change in group health plan from ICRA or if there's 1178 01:33:51,419 --> 01:33:56,360 a few of these CIP projects that need more internal consideration before we're doing 1179 01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:02,360 them Um but outside of that I mean there's still our list sort of pending from the 1180 01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:08,360 last workshop of potential budget adds to bear in mind Um I don't know the timing of 1181 01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,890 it but if if or when we have the um 1182 01:34:12,890 --> 01:34:14,850 I forget the name of it Mike the 1183 01:34:16,250 --> 01:34:22,146 the community risk assessment Thank you for that Um from the fire department Um 1184 01:34:22,146 --> 01:34:28,462 there may be a request at some point following that or a consideration to add 1185 01:34:28,462 --> 01:34:31,410 some more fire department department personnel um 1186 01:34:32,410 --> 01:34:38,050 longevity pay or other you know compensation related adjustments 1187 01:34:39,530 --> 01:34:48,050 um funding for community survey in 27 uh we discussed at the workshop funding for 1188 01:34:48,050 --> 01:34:50,890 community festivals or special events 1189 01:34:50,890 --> 01:34:55,299 Actually I should I should have clarified that this morning that is included in the 1190 01:34:55,299 --> 01:34:57,650 budget at or not this community survey sorry 1191 01:34:59,370 --> 01:35:00,290 I'm getting confused 1192 01:35:02,010 --> 01:35:04,250 Is 15,000 1193 01:35:06,460 --> 01:35:10,300 15,000 is included in this These numbers 1194 01:35:10,660 --> 01:35:15,180 Yes 15,000 is the amount that is currently in there for 1195 01:35:16,220 --> 01:35:21,967 a community survey Now there was some internal discussion on whether or not that 1196 01:35:21,967 --> 01:35:28,945 was enough for a um I think it's to do a full comprehensive survey prior to the 1197 01:35:28,945 --> 01:35:33,460 strategic We have 15,000 in there for the strategic plan effort 1198 01:35:34,580 --> 01:35:35,740 But that's correct 1199 01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:37,780 But not the 1200 01:35:38,260 --> 01:35:39,340 Not for a 1201 01:35:39,340 --> 01:35:39,940 Survey 1202 01:35:39,940 --> 01:35:40,420 Community 1203 01:35:40,460 --> 01:35:40,940 Survey 1204 01:35:40,940 --> 01:35:42,060 Beforehand 1205 01:35:42,100 --> 01:35:47,539 So that's that's what this is If we want to do a comprehensive survey before 1206 01:35:47,539 --> 01:35:53,341 strategic plan initiative that would be an item that is not currently in there Um we 1207 01:35:53,341 --> 01:35:58,055 talked about it earlier this evening at the workshop the funding for community 1208 01:35:58,055 --> 01:36:03,132 festivals and events I mean that's a potential ad change I think we got 1209 01:36:03,132 --> 01:36:04,220 direction on that 1210 01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:06,040 um 1211 01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:08,680 dog park That's been another 1212 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:14,704 hot button issue but I don't think we have anything currently in the budget for dog 1213 01:36:14,704 --> 01:36:19,688 park so we need more direction or that it's a decision that's going to come after 1214 01:36:19,688 --> 01:36:24,360 we're setting a preliminary levy here So it's a it's something to keep in mind 1215 01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:32,345 And then on the flip side of that any reductions Um so whether or not we reduce 1216 01:36:32,345 --> 01:36:36,053 or eliminate performance pay or other compensation related things deferring 1217 01:36:36,053 --> 01:36:41,245 capital projects which you know we've presented a few and if there's any others 1218 01:36:41,245 --> 01:36:45,695 we'll continue to have internal discussions on anything in the CIP which 1219 01:36:45,695 --> 01:36:52,000 we included as an attachment And I hope you've all had a chance to look through Um 1220 01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:55,160 We continue 1221 01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:55,400 Every 1222 01:36:55,440 --> 01:37:00,123 Day every week to reevaluate those discretionary items and we're factoring 1223 01:37:00,123 --> 01:37:01,400 those in Um 1224 01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:06,616 We included those reserve amounts for alternative funding strategies Internally 1225 01:37:06,616 --> 01:37:12,266 the Capital Project Reserve Fund has a little over 900,000 that if we identify 1226 01:37:12,266 --> 01:37:19,128 any of these projects where we can utilize any of those funds we may consider or even 1227 01:37:19,128 --> 01:37:25,182 the Green Fund there's some money in the Green Fund And then lastly the policy 1228 01:37:25,182 --> 01:37:31,236 change of you know converting all the exempt employees over to the plan And you 1229 01:37:31,236 --> 01:37:36,886 know that'll just be a decision that needs both more information coming in October 1230 01:37:36,886 --> 01:37:42,536 and then more discussion and consideration on that before we can actually make a 1231 01:37:42,536 --> 01:37:42,940 change 1232 01:37:44,260 --> 01:37:46,580 But those are important factors to weigh in 1233 01:37:48,420 --> 01:37:53,796 I have a question Do you do we have a sheet or a write up on each of those 1234 01:37:53,796 --> 01:37:56,060 subjects What the uh reduction would look like 1235 01:37:58,060 --> 01:37:58,580 Help me out 1236 01:37:58,580 --> 01:37:59,780 The reduction on 1237 01:38:00,950 --> 01:38:05,157 If we were to reduce or eliminate performance pay what does that look like 1238 01:38:05,157 --> 01:38:10,565 How much are we going to reduce Next one Same the same thing for every one of them 1239 01:38:10,565 --> 01:38:13,870 What would that would that would what would it look like 1240 01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:18,390 Yeah I can address that So on the first one we haven't done an analysis yet on 1241 01:38:19,790 --> 01:38:27,062 we provided one last year And I feel like we could dust that off and it'd be a fair 1242 01:38:27,062 --> 01:38:33,186 or close estimate once again Last year in the discussion we reduced it from 5% down 1243 01:38:33,186 --> 01:38:40,075 to the four and a half Um 300,000 is jumping to my head right now of what our 1244 01:38:40,075 --> 01:38:46,582 annual estimated amount was city wide Okay Um and then as far as those other items I 1245 01:38:46,582 --> 01:38:51,940 mean um deferring capital projects or CIP items that's a matter of simply going 1246 01:38:51,940 --> 01:38:58,064 through that CIP we provided and seeing if there's any items in there We continue to 1247 01:38:58,064 --> 01:39:03,040 have dialogue as staff regularly about different CIP items and where they can 1248 01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:07,250 move around or be deferred But we're kind of at a 1249 01:39:08,290 --> 01:39:12,400 standstill right now where we feel comfortable with what's in there for both 1250 01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:18,090 the five year plan and for 2027 As long as the as far as the work plan goes 1251 01:39:19,210 --> 01:39:19,890 Um 1252 01:39:25,690 --> 01:39:29,850 Yeah I guess that's all I have to add as far as your questions Is that address 1253 01:39:30,850 --> 01:39:31,450 looking for 1254 01:39:33,810 --> 01:39:39,501 And Tony maybe again to clarify um you know in past years we've had a lot of 1255 01:39:39,501 --> 01:39:44,187 discussion about the ambulance fund and kind of the general you know the balance 1256 01:39:44,187 --> 01:39:49,208 reserve transfer taking it from the reserve fund So as of right now with the 1257 01:39:49,208 --> 01:39:52,890 numbers again presented we have kind of that ambulance fund large 1258 01:39:55,010 --> 01:40:00,373 Addition in there right now That's a no kind of general like fund balance transfer 1259 01:40:00,373 --> 01:40:05,020 to help reduce the levy Is that the right way to say it 1260 01:40:05,380 --> 01:40:05,820 Um 1261 01:40:06,860 --> 01:40:09,940 let me try to address it Maybe a little different way 1262 01:40:09,980 --> 01:40:10,420 Okay 1263 01:40:10,580 --> 01:40:17,200 Um so we do have two things in there for the ambulance fund We have one which is 1264 01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:21,981 the use of the unassigned fund balance That's a one time purposeful transfer 1265 01:40:21,981 --> 01:40:26,761 That's to address that pre-existing deficit that is built up over the course 1266 01:40:26,761 --> 01:40:33,013 of the last 4 to 5 years So that's one component And then the other component we 1267 01:40:33,013 --> 01:40:35,220 do still have that annual transfer 1268 01:40:35,260 --> 01:40:36,740 Now I remember the discussion Yeah 1269 01:40:36,780 --> 01:40:43,100 Which is a contribution or a subsidy from the general fund to the ambulance fund 1270 01:40:44,260 --> 01:40:46,140 That's still at the 1271 01:40:47,260 --> 01:40:52,237 um increased amount We've increased or stepped that up over the course of the 1272 01:40:52,237 --> 01:40:57,569 last few years to try to prevent that ambulance from fun from going even further 1273 01:40:57,569 --> 01:41:01,480 into deficit So we do have both of those pieces in 1274 01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:04,440 I remember like about 2 million for both of those 1275 01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:08,638 Uh it's actually when you combine both of them it's close to 4 million for a 1276 01:41:08,638 --> 01:41:08,880 transfer 1277 01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:12,466 Never mind But and I know that's going to be a whole nother discussion but I just 1278 01:41:12,466 --> 01:41:14,760 for my mind needed to kind of put that in again 1279 01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:21,327 So but only that annual operating amount would be a current year levy or revenue 1280 01:41:21,327 --> 01:41:22,640 source right Yep 1281 01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:27,280 And that do you know that off the top of your head is it 750 1282 01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:29,280 Yes It's still 750,000 1283 01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:34,520 Other comments from people Vicki 1284 01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:40,841 Joe I've got a few things Um one of the things I'm just thinking about is that 1285 01:41:40,841 --> 01:41:46,418 there are going to be additional Medicare and Medicaid cuts after the first of the 1286 01:41:46,418 --> 01:41:51,251 year and I anticipate that will impact our ambulance fund again because those 1287 01:41:51,251 --> 01:41:57,572 reimbursement rates will go down again So I think we need to be mindful of that as 1288 01:41:57,572 --> 01:42:02,406 we are considering because with our aging population and with people not feeling 1289 01:42:02,406 --> 01:42:07,239 comfortable or safe going to the doctor regularly I imagine more emergency calls 1290 01:42:07,239 --> 01:42:11,329 versus people doing preventive care or ongoing treatment because they can't 1291 01:42:11,329 --> 01:42:17,278 afford it And and I'm really mindful of that when we're thinking about this and um 1292 01:42:17,278 --> 01:42:17,650 and 1293 01:42:18,690 --> 01:42:23,115 transition forward when I was listening to the budget meeting um something that Kim 1294 01:42:23,115 --> 01:42:28,173 had said that really is still sitting with me is that we can't I don't remember 1295 01:42:28,173 --> 01:42:33,546 exactly how you said it but it was almost like it was glossed over and then somebody 1296 01:42:33,546 --> 01:42:37,971 else started talking again But it was something about like making sure that we 1297 01:42:37,971 --> 01:42:43,029 have um that the levy when it's when it's set isn't the absolute we have continuing 1298 01:42:43,029 --> 01:42:47,454 conversation And I think with all these variables that are in I think it's 1299 01:42:47,454 --> 01:42:52,511 incredibly shortsighted to say what we're going to do 3.5 and go down or we're going 1300 01:42:52,511 --> 01:42:57,884 to do 3.9 and go down I think it makes way more sense to give ourselves this 1301 01:42:57,884 --> 01:43:01,994 opportunity to be aware of what's happening in the bigger world That's going 1302 01:43:01,994 --> 01:43:06,735 to definitely impact our ambulance fund and other things that may come in And I'm 1303 01:43:06,735 --> 01:43:11,476 also curious about things like I don't know fuel costs because they kind of do 1304 01:43:11,476 --> 01:43:16,850 this crazy thing How much is diesel fuel anyway these days How much is that Do you 1305 01:43:16,850 --> 01:43:18,430 know how much that is 1306 01:43:18,670 --> 01:43:23,190 I don't know what we paid but at the pump it's 537 There you go 1307 01:43:23,550 --> 01:43:24,670 Five that I know 1308 01:43:25,630 --> 01:43:32,007 So I don't know I'm not really raising my hand to say please don't plow my street in 1309 01:43:32,007 --> 01:43:37,675 the winter Um so that fuel cost which is unpredictable at best I think running the 1310 01:43:37,675 --> 01:43:43,697 city keeping the city going I think we need to be open minded and say let's start 1311 01:43:43,697 --> 01:43:49,011 let's start high and agree that there will be additional things just to give the 1312 01:43:49,011 --> 01:43:53,970 assurance that all of these things that are maybes can be effectively worked on 1313 01:43:53,970 --> 01:43:56,450 That's my um my ask or recommendation 1314 01:44:00,290 --> 01:44:00,770 Beth 1315 01:44:00,810 --> 01:44:01,770 I agree with Vicki 1316 01:44:02,970 --> 01:44:08,777 I think we said it next week Well the next meeting I won't be at Um but I do agree We 1317 01:44:08,777 --> 01:44:09,330 give us 1318 01:44:10,450 --> 01:44:16,184 room to work I wouldn't I wouldn't be happy if it were five Whatever is being 1319 01:44:16,184 --> 01:44:19,410 suggested but I think we need room to work 1320 01:44:22,450 --> 01:44:23,850 And general fine with that to 1321 01:44:25,450 --> 01:44:25,970 other people 1322 01:44:26,010 --> 01:44:29,930 Ron I'm not in favor of that I mean it's we need to get this down 1323 01:44:30,930 --> 01:44:34,010 We need to reduce our spending And that's just where I'm at I can't 1324 01:44:35,050 --> 01:44:38,925 I can't go over certainly what what the preliminary was was first proposed by 1325 01:44:38,925 --> 01:44:41,970 staff at 3.99 And now we're talking about going even higher 1326 01:44:43,090 --> 01:44:48,862 No I can't So any of the additions listed there It's a no for me and several of the 1327 01:44:48,862 --> 01:44:51,900 potential budget reductions are a yes for me as well 1328 01:44:53,220 --> 01:44:59,328 as for CIP goes Sean We had a report on the athletic field you know the agreement 1329 01:44:59,328 --> 01:45:05,437 or whatever Um and we see stuff still in the CIP I know we talked about there's 1330 01:45:05,437 --> 01:45:10,467 probably going to be some city costs associated with that Does the CIP reflect 1331 01:45:10,467 --> 01:45:14,060 the new agreement with the athletic field the baseball association 1332 01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:19,233 Yes The costs in the CIP are outside of the projects that the Baseball Association 1333 01:45:19,233 --> 01:45:20,260 is taking on 1334 01:45:24,620 --> 01:45:27,180 Any other comments Becky 1335 01:45:27,940 --> 01:45:33,941 Well the only comment I agree with setting it high That gives us some room to have 1336 01:45:33,941 --> 01:45:39,235 the not high but a reasonable amount that gives a conversation to have between now 1337 01:45:39,235 --> 01:45:45,589 and when we actually agree to the to the levy in December The one thing that I feel 1338 01:45:45,589 --> 01:45:50,883 really strongly Well actually I'm going to step back with a question Um Chrissy had 1339 01:45:50,883 --> 01:45:55,472 mentioned that the renewal rate would be could potentially be high So my 1340 01:45:55,472 --> 01:46:01,119 understanding with the insurance is that on occasion 1 or 2 or a few employees can 1341 01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:07,120 really sort of have a high claim years And that's what trips the the renewal rate So 1342 01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,840 I'm I guess I'm I'm confused 1343 01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:18,052 that you say that the renewal rate could potentially be really high Is that if 1344 01:46:18,052 --> 01:46:20,640 they're bringing us back on on a $300,000 1345 01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,336 Is there data to support that the renewal rate could potentially be that like 1346 01:46:25,336 --> 01:46:28,910 significantly higher or is that just a sort of a guess because you're bringing on 1347 01:46:28,910 --> 01:46:32,722 more people Like where where does that risk come from Or is it just an ambiguous 1348 01:46:32,722 --> 01:46:32,960 risk 1349 01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:36,891 There is data to support that That comes from IntelliSense That's actually the 1350 01:46:36,891 --> 01:46:40,873 reason we're having or we're calling for that workshop is to provide some of that 1351 01:46:40,873 --> 01:46:42,200 data for you to consider 1352 01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:44,320 I guess Yeah Yeah 1353 01:46:44,690 --> 01:46:45,650 Madam president 1354 01:46:46,010 --> 01:46:46,770 Sir Marshall 1355 01:46:47,290 --> 01:46:53,612 Yeah So there's two things going on here So I just want to make sure they're clear 1356 01:46:53,612 --> 01:46:59,190 The first is what Tony told you We have reasonable assurance that that number is 1357 01:46:59,190 --> 01:47:05,140 uh 300 plus thousand is is a conservative estimate of what it would take to get 1358 01:47:05,140 --> 01:47:10,347 everybody on the group health plan 27 with the council administrator is referring to 1359 01:47:10,347 --> 01:47:16,669 is what happens in the renewal rate in 28 Once everybody comes back on 27 and you 1360 01:47:16,669 --> 01:47:22,247 see the experience of the whole group what happens to the group health plan rates 1361 01:47:22,247 --> 01:47:24,850 moving into 28 and beyond Thank you 1362 01:47:25,930 --> 01:47:31,563 Yeah And I would just add that that's something that we're further evaluating Um 1363 01:47:31,563 --> 01:47:37,598 the insurance committee met in the middle of August here just to get the initial 1364 01:47:37,598 --> 01:47:42,426 data And we're working closely with IntelliSense to get a couple different 1365 01:47:42,426 --> 01:47:46,851 scenarios But exactly what Councilwoman Naughton is describing We're trying to 1366 01:47:46,851 --> 01:47:50,070 evaluate a couple scenarios as far as if 1367 01:47:51,670 --> 01:47:56,263 you know almost like a worst case scenario if those high cost claimants go back into 1368 01:47:56,263 --> 01:48:01,430 the pool what effect is that going to have on what we need to do with our funding 1369 01:48:03,150 --> 01:48:04,590 I know the mayor had his hand up 1370 01:48:05,070 --> 01:48:09,830 I used to deal with health insurance for my old company Is this kind of like a 1371 01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:14,870 first year We want to get you in at a lower rate and then geez it just happens 1372 01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:16,270 to go up you know 1373 01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:21,490 Um I won't go too far in depth on this conversation but we talked for a couple 1374 01:48:21,490 --> 01:48:24,190 hours about this internally a couple of weeks ago 1375 01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:31,259 That was kind of our worry at first too or our suspicion Um we asked a lot of 1376 01:48:31,259 --> 01:48:32,230 questions with IntelliSense 1377 01:48:33,630 --> 01:48:39,924 shortly I would say no And the reason being is because we're self-insured we are 1378 01:48:39,924 --> 01:48:46,637 funding our own insurance Um I think we had the same suspicions that Is this too 1379 01:48:46,637 --> 01:48:54,190 good to be true Are we in some way being tricked here into two rosy of a situation 1380 01:48:54,190 --> 01:49:00,064 Um there's some other underlying factors but what we still don't have worked out 1381 01:49:00,064 --> 01:49:04,680 and what we're going to bring in October is a more 1382 01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,160 thorough evaluation of our 1383 01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:17,129 Census our our people to try to predict whether or not those costs would actually 1384 01:49:17,129 --> 01:49:24,019 increase substantially or if we feel like it could be absorbed And again I we've 1385 01:49:24,019 --> 01:49:30,449 projected it initially in the 301 000 is hopefully a conservative initial year cost 1386 01:49:30,449 --> 01:49:35,960 And then down the road we just we're in the evaluating stages 1387 01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:40,580 But and obviously it depends if we have any large claims and we don't know that 1388 01:49:40,980 --> 01:49:44,742 Yep We're trying to we're doing predictive analysis on that And IntelliSense is 1389 01:49:44,742 --> 01:49:45,900 helping us with that 1390 01:49:45,900 --> 01:49:46,580 So thank you 1391 01:49:46,620 --> 01:49:46,980 Yep 1392 01:49:48,940 --> 01:49:50,620 Any other comments from people 1393 01:49:52,860 --> 01:49:55,260 Any other guidance that staff feels like they need 1394 01:49:58,300 --> 01:50:02,060 I think we mostly heard that having the flexibility 1395 01:50:03,060 --> 01:50:08,814 towards the higher end is where we're comfortable at the moment But I didn't 1396 01:50:08,814 --> 01:50:14,980 hear I don't think I wrote down anything for Don or Kim or the mayor 1397 01:50:16,260 --> 01:50:19,260 I think what I said at the last meeting was sufficient 1398 01:50:22,860 --> 01:50:23,460 Same here 1399 01:50:25,140 --> 01:50:27,620 I haven't changed my thought process 1400 01:50:27,860 --> 01:50:28,220 Okay 1401 01:50:28,780 --> 01:50:32,420 With that I think we have enough direction then 1402 01:50:32,540 --> 01:50:33,260 Thank you 1403 01:50:33,340 --> 01:50:35,700 Thank you Thank you very much It's a lot of work 1404 01:50:36,860 --> 01:50:41,804 Yep All right We'll move on to number ten in our agenda tonight Communication items 1405 01:50:41,804 --> 01:50:45,760 and ten A is our Housing and Redevelopment Authority update with Curt 1406 01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:56,160 I'll bet you enjoyed staying here all late tonight huh Didn't you put it out the room 1407 01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:58,320 Um 1408 01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:03,736 thank you for the opportunity to come in front of you and just give you a brief 1409 01:51:03,736 --> 01:51:08,412 update about what the HRA has been doing and going to be doing Uh you had a written 1410 01:51:08,412 --> 01:51:12,568 report I just want to highlight a couple of things I know we've talked about Jordan 1411 01:51:12,568 --> 01:51:16,204 Tower and the big plumbing replacement project that we're doing And it seems like 1412 01:51:16,204 --> 01:51:20,360 every time I come I say it's close it's close it's close This time it's actually 1413 01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:20,880 really close 1414 01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:26,738 We're going to do a pre-construction meeting in the middle of September The 1415 01:51:26,738 --> 01:51:31,755 contractor should mobilize to the site by the middle of October and they'll start 1416 01:51:31,755 --> 01:51:37,130 ripping and tearing on the ground floor Our main sewer and water lines uh in 1417 01:51:37,130 --> 01:51:41,788 November with actual work in residence units starting just after the holidays we 1418 01:51:41,788 --> 01:51:46,804 decided to wait till after Christmas and New Year's before we start moving people 1419 01:51:46,804 --> 01:51:52,537 around there So that's kind of exciting And then on top of that we had enough 1420 01:51:52,537 --> 01:51:58,987 money to do Jordan Tower one We were a little short on our family sites and so we 1421 01:51:58,987 --> 01:52:03,646 went back to Minnesota Housing and said would you consider a funding modification 1422 01:52:03,646 --> 01:52:09,379 And to our delight uh July their board meeting agreed to that So we now have 1423 01:52:09,379 --> 01:52:14,395 enough funding to move forward with the family site project that because of timing 1424 01:52:14,395 --> 01:52:20,128 and how very long it takes to get to closing on the financing that will start 1425 01:52:20,128 --> 01:52:25,145 probably in 2027 sometime the first quarter maybe uh and finish in 2027 as 1426 01:52:25,145 --> 01:52:31,236 well So it's it's been a big project that takes a lot of bandwidth from staff and 1427 01:52:31,236 --> 01:52:36,970 we're very close to that So we're excited about that On the voucher side you just 1428 01:52:36,970 --> 01:52:41,269 call your attention on the federal vouchers If you've been paying attention 1429 01:52:41,269 --> 01:52:45,928 you'll see that that number of utilized vouchers keeps floating downward Right We 1430 01:52:45,928 --> 01:52:51,661 used to be 13125 Now we're 119 and that's simply a function of rents increasing and 1431 01:52:51,661 --> 01:52:57,394 the federal funding staying static So we can we can't help as many people at a 1432 01:52:57,394 --> 01:53:02,769 higher rent than we could before So that's why it's important that the other two 1433 01:53:02,769 --> 01:53:08,144 state funded programs are there We use bridges And now to bring it home program 1434 01:53:08,144 --> 01:53:13,160 to help try and keep the number of vouchers in our community somewhat steady 1435 01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:18,893 So this is a rare case where state funding is helping us moderate the decrease in 1436 01:53:18,893 --> 01:53:23,552 federal funding But there's no denying that our waiting list continues to grow 1437 01:53:23,552 --> 01:53:30,001 We're now up to 448 people So you know the need is there The resources at the federal 1438 01:53:30,001 --> 01:53:35,376 level are staying static at best Luckily the state has come forward but I don't 1439 01:53:35,376 --> 01:53:41,109 know how long that will hold either The other thing I would call your attention to 1440 01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:47,201 on the on the second page and is kind of exciting is the Jefferson School RFP The 1441 01:53:47,201 --> 01:53:50,784 Housing and Redevelopment Authority is considering submitting a proposal along 1442 01:53:50,784 --> 01:53:55,801 with Three Rivers Community Action and the HRA commissioners will hear that in a 1443 01:53:55,801 --> 01:54:02,251 workshop on September 3rd at 1:00 If any of you would like to attend and be in the 1444 01:54:02,251 --> 01:54:07,625 know of what we're proposing there And then the my commissioners will be asked to 1445 01:54:07,625 --> 01:54:11,567 either approve submission or reject submission at their regular September 8th 1446 01:54:11,567 --> 01:54:17,300 meeting which is just two days before the proposals are due to the port So that's 1447 01:54:17,300 --> 01:54:21,600 sort of exciting and I'm happy to answer questions if I can 1448 01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:23,720 Any questions Vicki 1449 01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:27,360 The date and time and place again uh 1450 01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:33,300 For the workshop is September 3rd at 1 p.m. here in council chambers 1451 01:54:34,540 --> 01:54:35,420 Okay Thank you 1452 01:54:38,620 --> 01:54:39,580 Thank you very much 1453 01:54:39,620 --> 01:54:41,260 Thanks so much Have a good night 1454 01:54:43,940 --> 01:54:48,723 All right Well we will move on to council comments Tenby Would anybody else like to 1455 01:54:48,723 --> 01:54:49,620 share any information 1456 01:54:51,380 --> 01:54:51,980 Vicki Joe 1457 01:54:53,060 --> 01:54:55,340 I know you have Go ahead I'll be quick 1458 01:54:55,380 --> 01:54:56,100 Ladies first 1459 01:54:56,500 --> 01:54:56,900 Okay 1460 01:54:58,100 --> 01:55:04,149 So I got an interesting call and I guess I might look to the chief for this 1461 01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:09,843 particular thing Um there was a woman who decided that the bike trail went all the 1462 01:55:09,843 --> 01:55:15,893 way through and came up and over and was at the base of humanity and then was 1463 01:55:15,893 --> 01:55:21,942 biking what she thought was a trail which it's not And she was stopped by the police 1464 01:55:21,942 --> 01:55:27,991 officer And this officer said oh we do this all the time And so I'm guessing that 1465 01:55:27,991 --> 01:55:31,550 that all the time is actually a frequent occurrence So 1466 01:55:34,830 --> 01:55:39,498 I mean they probably put an emphasis on it probably more than it actually happens But 1467 01:55:39,498 --> 01:55:39,790 there's 1468 01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:44,886 quite a few people that drive the wrong way down places they shouldn't The 1469 01:55:44,886 --> 01:55:48,983 railroad tracks for instance is one of the places that sometimes people have driven 1470 01:55:48,983 --> 01:55:53,665 down We've had a vehicle well a couple vehicles get hit by trains because of it 1471 01:55:53,665 --> 01:55:58,639 Mhm So it's not a surprise that somebody drives down a trail Um I wouldn't say all 1472 01:55:58,639 --> 01:56:02,150 the time I guess I wouldn't emphasize that but it it occurs 1473 01:56:02,510 --> 01:56:06,190 I imagine it does And so um I'm curious 1474 01:56:07,550 --> 01:56:12,493 This might be over here now Is there an opportunity for us to maybe do like some 1475 01:56:12,493 --> 01:56:17,726 signage trail ends here for now Um and on both sides maybe at Levy on the other side 1476 01:56:17,726 --> 01:56:21,796 So people aren't trying to come through thinking hey there's this new trail down 1477 01:56:21,796 --> 01:56:27,320 there I'm going to go this way Can we is there How much would that cost And is that 1478 01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:31,972 would that would that be helpful That was that was what this person was um inviting 1479 01:56:31,972 --> 01:56:35,170 me to bring to this body is to say that it 1480 01:56:36,530 --> 01:56:40,890 don't come here private property Stop it Whatever you need to do 1481 01:56:41,290 --> 01:56:42,290 Turn around Go back 1482 01:56:43,610 --> 01:56:47,735 You know whatever The big hand Stop I don't know if that's an offer that I 1483 01:56:47,735 --> 01:56:51,345 wanted to bring that up here because I think it's it's important that people 1484 01:56:51,345 --> 01:56:54,955 aren't going where they shouldn't if they don't know that they shouldn't be going 1485 01:56:54,955 --> 01:56:58,822 there because this person is an avid biker and was really disappointed And she said 1486 01:56:58,822 --> 01:57:02,690 well if I had known I would have turned off and gone down fifth So 1487 01:57:06,690 --> 01:57:12,585 Can I can I piggyback on hers I know the mayor had his hand up but um just from 1488 01:57:12,585 --> 01:57:17,550 that perspective I would love to see I've been an advocate for more of the sharrows 1489 01:57:17,550 --> 01:57:21,583 and the bike ability in our community Maybe there's even some safe routes 1490 01:57:21,583 --> 01:57:26,547 funding And so maybe instead of the stop you know don't go here Or maybe in 1491 01:57:26,547 --> 01:57:30,891 addition to that is signage that says trail continues this way or or trail 1492 01:57:30,891 --> 01:57:35,545 continues on the road And there's more signage that has the Sharrows on the road 1493 01:57:35,545 --> 01:57:40,510 because I think the alternative was mapped to sort of zigzag them through town to get 1494 01:57:40,510 --> 01:57:45,784 them back onto the rest of the trail by levee until that that piece continues So I 1495 01:57:45,784 --> 01:57:50,439 mean I think some signage that would say you know trail continues on the road 1496 01:57:50,439 --> 01:57:54,472 Sharrows or more road painting for Bikeability I think drivers need to know 1497 01:57:54,472 --> 01:57:59,126 that they're sharing the road with bikers as well So that signage is twofold gets 1498 01:57:59,126 --> 01:58:03,470 the bikers in the right spot and helps the drivers not run into them 1499 01:58:04,030 --> 01:58:04,910 What she said 1500 01:58:05,390 --> 01:58:09,632 Maybe we can get an update on that eventually if that's possible or if it's 1501 01:58:09,632 --> 01:58:14,157 already in the plan or if there's money I don't know if somebody wants to respond 1502 01:58:14,157 --> 01:58:17,550 Now I know we're putting you on the spot but it's true 1503 01:58:18,430 --> 01:58:20,910 Zach's talking to Sean Sean's talking to Zach No 1504 01:58:22,110 --> 01:58:23,480 Sean's taking notes 1505 01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:27,760 I'm trying to get a better understanding of exactly what we're talking about here 1506 01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:29,360 Signage 1507 01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:31,280 Know where this incident happened 1508 01:58:31,320 --> 01:58:32,360 Oh at the base of 1509 01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:35,160 where the trail ends There 1510 01:58:35,480 --> 01:58:35,760 The new 1511 01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:37,160 Trail The new trail 1512 01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:37,640 Okay 1513 01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:42,073 Trail bikers are coming from cobble up and over the new trail Okay And then 1514 01:58:42,073 --> 01:58:46,960 continuing by what used to be I don't know The name of the place now is Isaac Walton 1515 01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:47,440 Yep 1516 01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:51,520 Past there and going that way to try to go and continue that 1517 01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:53,080 Private road the private road 1518 01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:54,040 Wastewater treatment 1519 01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:55,800 The gravel road going past treatment plant 1520 01:58:56,000 --> 01:59:03,335 Correct Got it And being stopped by police saying hey okay you don't belong here Um 1521 01:59:03,335 --> 01:59:10,212 because this is private road So if we could get signage before folks get that 1522 01:59:10,212 --> 01:59:18,005 far Uh something saying please turn here Don't go there at the end And also at Levy 1523 01:59:18,005 --> 01:59:24,882 So people aren't walking that way either Same sign like please don't go here Turn 1524 01:59:24,882 --> 01:59:25,340 around 1525 01:59:26,460 --> 01:59:28,180 There's a sign that says Private Road 1526 01:59:29,620 --> 01:59:32,180 Does it Oh so whoever's doing that is not reading 1527 01:59:32,220 --> 01:59:34,180 I've driven past it When I went fishing down there 1528 01:59:34,220 --> 01:59:34,780 Okay 1529 01:59:35,580 --> 01:59:40,340 So you're paying attention We didn't We didn't go Admit that publicly Good job 1530 01:59:41,420 --> 01:59:41,940 Okay 1531 01:59:42,820 --> 01:59:43,540 I'm in the water 1532 01:59:44,260 --> 01:59:45,140 Oh my gosh 1533 01:59:46,020 --> 01:59:48,380 I think we'll move on to the mayor if that's okay 1534 01:59:48,620 --> 01:59:53,515 I don't have anything that's interesting but uh today I saw they're not sentenced 1535 01:59:53,515 --> 01:59:58,059 to serve Shawn Correct me again Corrections labor was out trimming at one 1536 01:59:58,059 --> 02:00:04,003 of our parks They did an exceptional job I got an opportunity to talk to them and 1537 02:00:04,003 --> 02:00:08,897 they all said thanks for the opportunity So they really they really appreciate that 1538 02:00:08,897 --> 02:00:14,841 opportunity Now we had a battle of the badges on Saturday and the winner is in a 1539 02:00:14,841 --> 02:00:15,540 blue shirt 1540 02:00:16,660 --> 02:00:22,082 and the second first loser is in a white shirt His team But they played fabulous I 1541 02:00:22,082 --> 02:00:25,910 don't know who was operating the scoreboard but he was an idiot 1542 02:00:26,350 --> 02:00:27,510 Oh gosh 1543 02:00:28,150 --> 02:00:33,536 It was me Oh they asked me Rise up Asked me to run the scoreboard and I'm thinking 1544 02:00:33,536 --> 02:00:39,521 okay push a button to run Oh no Oh no One of the I believe on call paid on call 1545 02:00:39,521 --> 02:00:43,710 Firefighters came in the eighth inning and straightened it out But I was hoping 1546 02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:44,670 That one 1547 02:00:45,270 --> 02:00:45,550 Oh 1548 02:00:45,710 --> 02:00:50,807 Oh yeah So I asked Neil Hammer who's doing a great job announcing I said Neil can you 1549 02:00:50,807 --> 02:00:55,904 help me out here He says many people have left left this booth crying He says I have 1550 02:00:55,904 --> 02:00:56,470 no idea 1551 02:00:57,830 --> 02:01:04,403 So thank you And on good news I received a letter today I know other staff have that 1552 02:01:04,403 --> 02:01:09,150 Mpca has given us preliminary approval on the new wastewater treatment plant plans 1553 02:01:09,590 --> 02:01:11,670 So awesome Good 1554 02:01:12,310 --> 02:01:16,774 That's all I have But don't ever ask me to do the scoreboard again Unless it's like 1555 02:01:16,774 --> 02:01:20,450 at Wrigley Field where you put a thing in there you take one down 1556 02:01:21,610 --> 02:01:27,437 Go ahead Go ahead Talk amongst yourselves Yeah I was receiving numerous texts on You 1557 02:01:27,437 --> 02:01:34,429 know it's not the ninth inning It's the third inning It's not 21 to 4 Yeah Like I 1558 02:01:34,429 --> 02:01:39,090 didn't know But thank you very much to everyone who texted me 1559 02:01:40,570 --> 02:01:44,891 All right Well any last comments I would just do a public service announcement 1560 02:01:44,891 --> 02:01:49,829 Maybe Becky knows this too but school does start in Red wing Tuesday September 1st So 1561 02:01:49,829 --> 02:01:54,459 I've actually had people in the community that didn't realize that So if you have 1562 02:01:54,459 --> 02:01:58,780 kids in Red wing right Tuesday September 1st Um school starts early this year 1563 02:01:58,780 --> 02:02:03,410 because of Labor Day So and I'll hand it over to Chris for status updates 1564 02:02:04,490 --> 02:02:09,162 All right Um the only two that I want to call your attention to tonight Well 1565 02:02:09,162 --> 02:02:13,834 actually let me start with I should first look at the dates of upcoming meetings as 1566 02:02:13,834 --> 02:02:16,170 we've mentioned a few um additions here So 1567 02:02:18,030 --> 02:02:23,686 obviously September 14th is a normal date but we do have a workshop before that 1568 02:02:23,686 --> 02:02:29,720 meeting 5 p.m. and that's as requested by the council at the last meeting An update 1569 02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:34,245 from the police department primarily or from on the law enforcement Center 1570 02:02:34,245 --> 02:02:39,901 primarily about the the proposed new facility So it'll just be a 45 minute to 1571 02:02:39,901 --> 02:02:45,935 you know lot less than that hour period Um and whatever data is available at that 1572 02:02:45,935 --> 02:02:51,591 time Um then the 28th is the standard meeting workshop before it but we also 1573 02:02:51,591 --> 02:02:56,870 have the October 5th workshop that was mentioned in here as an upcoming meeting 1574 02:02:56,870 --> 02:02:59,510 That's a newly scheduled um standalone workshop 1575 02:03:01,390 --> 02:03:06,948 Um I mean it could delve into budget related topics but it's intended to be 1576 02:03:06,948 --> 02:03:11,764 specifically about benefits benefits analysis the survey and and kind of have a 1577 02:03:11,764 --> 02:03:15,840 non bookended time to be able to talk about that topic 1578 02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:23,060 The other two things that I was going to initially call your attention to um the 1579 02:03:23,060 --> 02:03:28,142 public comment at the beginning of the meeting referred to the last item in the 1580 02:03:28,142 --> 02:03:32,546 status update and that's the Mississippi dialogues That was initially on the agenda 1581 02:03:32,546 --> 02:03:37,289 for tonight but we didn't have staff reports ready And there was some some 1582 02:03:37,289 --> 02:03:41,693 questions about exactly where it was Because when we were finalizing the agenda 1583 02:03:41,693 --> 02:03:46,775 packet it was before the Arts and Culture Commission meeting last week So we instead 1584 02:03:46,775 --> 02:03:51,518 shifted pivoted had the presentations of sorts at public comment to make sure that 1585 02:03:51,518 --> 02:03:57,277 you're at least aware that it's coming And then it's intended to be on the on the 1586 02:03:57,277 --> 02:04:02,020 agenda on the September 14th meeting I think their concern about getting in front 1587 02:04:02,020 --> 02:04:07,102 of you tonight was that it's supposed if if approved it will be installed in 1588 02:04:07,102 --> 02:04:12,184 October So they really want to make sure that this doesn't get deferred when it 1589 02:04:12,184 --> 02:04:17,943 comes before you at the next meeting And then last but not least I might turn this 1590 02:04:17,943 --> 02:04:23,702 I didn't pre discuss anything but we have um an update um a paragraph update We have 1591 02:04:23,702 --> 02:04:28,784 a number of links three separate links on our um LPR program which are LPR 1592 02:04:28,784 --> 02:04:33,188 technology which is axon Um and then there's a separate attachment that was 1593 02:04:33,188 --> 02:04:37,931 prepared with a lot of additional detail of um kind of uh frequently asked 1594 02:04:37,931 --> 02:04:43,351 questions I guess you would say And um so we tried to provide the information that 1595 02:04:43,351 --> 02:04:49,111 was requested and as as clear away and as quickly as possible But I don't know if 1596 02:04:49,111 --> 02:04:53,853 you want to present anything further Nick or answer or if there's any additional 1597 02:04:53,853 --> 02:04:57,580 questions but make sure you saw that in the status update 1598 02:04:58,500 --> 02:05:02,434 Yeah there's a lot of data privacy concern over license plate reader cameras as you 1599 02:05:02,434 --> 02:05:07,154 know I mean we had a couple people come in and talk today and and people should be 1600 02:05:07,154 --> 02:05:11,350 concerned about what we do with our data I'm not against that by any means Um 1601 02:05:12,390 --> 02:05:16,794 I obviously see the data and what comes through Um so my perspective probably is a 1602 02:05:16,794 --> 02:05:21,472 bit different than most people I did have one of our council members take a look at 1603 02:05:21,472 --> 02:05:26,151 it um to an extent without seeing the actual data but seeing what it is that we 1604 02:05:26,151 --> 02:05:31,655 do Um so I mean if you question as far as what it is I really invite you to actually 1605 02:05:31,655 --> 02:05:36,884 take a look at the program There's nothing here to hide Um but I do want to let you 1606 02:05:36,884 --> 02:05:41,563 know that the data is held within I mean it's a cloud system It's with axon who 1607 02:05:41,563 --> 02:05:46,517 holds all of our data by the way they hold all of our digital evidence data they have 1608 02:05:46,517 --> 02:05:51,471 for the last six years we haven't had any issues Um they hold all of our body camera 1609 02:05:51,471 --> 02:05:55,875 data They hold all of our in-car camera data um and all of our digital evidence 1610 02:05:55,875 --> 02:05:59,728 data which could include photos um videos anything that you could think of that's 1611 02:05:59,728 --> 02:06:04,131 digital um is all held on the same base system Uh people talk about the flock 1612 02:06:04,131 --> 02:06:09,085 cameras We don't have flock Um that's not not a thing here Uh we went with axon for 1613 02:06:09,085 --> 02:06:13,489 a couple reasons One we're actually not even paying a bill this year It's free Um 1614 02:06:13,489 --> 02:06:17,892 because we contract with them for a lot of other services So in return for our 1615 02:06:17,892 --> 02:06:22,571 service to them and theirs to ours we made an agreement where we would get the first 1616 02:06:22,571 --> 02:06:26,699 year for free and then we would pay uh after that also with a substantial 1617 02:06:26,699 --> 02:06:30,552 discount We didn't pay for installation nothing Um so we actually got a really 1618 02:06:30,552 --> 02:06:35,231 good deal on the program itself But beyond the cost I just really want to address the 1619 02:06:35,231 --> 02:06:39,910 data issue right So we hold the data here Nobody else has access to it We don't 1620 02:06:39,910 --> 02:06:44,038 share the data with anybody Nobody uh no no other entities have access currently to 1621 02:06:44,038 --> 02:06:48,717 our data One thing we are looking at is a possible share with Pierce County Um there 1622 02:06:48,717 --> 02:06:53,671 was concern of immigration use by Pierce County if we were to do that So we have an 1623 02:06:53,671 --> 02:06:58,349 agreement typed up that if we were to go into an agreement with them that we would 1624 02:06:58,349 --> 02:07:02,478 maybe take a look at that They couldn't use that data for immigration Um but 1625 02:07:02,478 --> 02:07:06,331 that's the only entity that we're even looking at sharing data and we're not 1626 02:07:06,331 --> 02:07:10,459 doing it currently Um they don't even have the cameras installed Even they don't even 1627 02:07:10,459 --> 02:07:15,138 have the system to to get into our cameras anyway yet Um so they're just not there 1628 02:07:15,138 --> 02:07:19,541 yet either Um but even the company itself if they're going to access our data they 1629 02:07:19,541 --> 02:07:24,770 need to go in And the only reason they do that is to fix something in the system Uh 1630 02:07:24,770 --> 02:07:29,449 they actually have to ask us to access it and then it gets logged and it gets 1631 02:07:29,449 --> 02:07:34,128 audited Um any time that our officer does a search and I showed one of the council 1632 02:07:34,128 --> 02:07:38,806 members this um you actually have to enter information and even to do a search Uh and 1633 02:07:38,806 --> 02:07:43,210 that includes the reason why you're doing it the date and time you're doing it who's 1634 02:07:43,210 --> 02:07:48,164 doing it Um a related ICR call for service um related to why you're doing it Um so 1635 02:07:48,164 --> 02:07:49,540 there is a lot of 1636 02:07:50,780 --> 02:07:55,962 stuff that you have to enter to even get to a point to even do a search And then 1637 02:07:55,962 --> 02:08:00,599 all that is in an auditable program and then we're required by the state to do an 1638 02:08:00,599 --> 02:08:05,509 audit So we have a third party come in and actually audit us and look at all our 1639 02:08:05,509 --> 02:08:10,146 stuff as far as whether or not we're doing it correctly Um so yeah you see officers 1640 02:08:10,146 --> 02:08:14,238 that are on the news getting arrested for misuse of data uh they're getting arrested 1641 02:08:14,238 --> 02:08:18,875 because they got found because it tracks them Um so I wish I could tell you that 1642 02:08:18,875 --> 02:08:23,512 nobody's ever going to abuse technology I can't make that promise to you So if as a 1643 02:08:23,512 --> 02:08:27,603 council you decide that you don't want this program anymore I understand Um and I 1644 02:08:27,603 --> 02:08:32,513 can't make the promise that nobody here is going to misuse it I can tell you that we 1645 02:08:32,513 --> 02:08:37,150 have a lot of restrictions in place Um and that it is monitored Um and if somebody 1646 02:08:37,150 --> 02:08:40,968 does misuse it there's a high likelihood that they're going to get found probably 1647 02:08:40,968 --> 02:08:46,424 go to jail um and lose their job Um but I mean I can't sit here and tell the public 1648 02:08:46,424 --> 02:08:49,697 that nobody's ever going to misuse something Um there's always potential for 1649 02:08:49,697 --> 02:08:54,606 anything So but with that I don't want to keep I mean I could talk about this for 1650 02:08:54,606 --> 02:08:59,243 the next two hours probably but I don't want to do that Um but if you have 1651 02:08:59,243 --> 02:09:00,880 questions feel free to ask me 1652 02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:02,960 Thanks Becky 1653 02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:07,244 I have two questions Um first First can you restate what you said about Pierce 1654 02:09:07,244 --> 02:09:09,940 County requesting to share the data I just missed that 1655 02:09:09,980 --> 02:09:14,066 Yeah So Pierce County has requested to do a data share with us because they're going 1656 02:09:14,066 --> 02:09:18,408 to install the same type of camera system through axon as well over there And we can 1657 02:09:18,408 --> 02:09:22,750 decide to do a sharing program with them if we choose Um right now we don't share 1658 02:09:22,750 --> 02:09:27,347 with anybody And so nobody has access to our data Um if we did a sharing we would 1659 02:09:27,347 --> 02:09:31,945 have access to their data then to over the bridge So right now we do have one camera 1660 02:09:31,945 --> 02:09:35,776 on the bridge It doesn't pick up everything I don't believe Um and so they 1661 02:09:35,776 --> 02:09:39,607 were looking at actually putting the camera on the other side of the bridge to 1662 02:09:39,607 --> 02:09:43,693 pick up the other traffic And so it would kind of be a mutual sharing agreement 1663 02:09:43,693 --> 02:09:48,035 where we would get both sides of the traffic if we did that Um and then any 1664 02:09:48,035 --> 02:09:52,121 other cameras they decided to install within the county as well Um we can if you 1665 02:09:52,121 --> 02:09:56,208 want also restrict the fact that they you know only have access maybe to that one 1666 02:09:56,208 --> 02:10:00,550 camera Um if you really wanted to where we just would share just the two cameras on 1667 02:10:00,550 --> 02:10:05,402 the bridge or none at all It's completely up to the body as far as what you want to 1668 02:10:05,402 --> 02:10:07,190 do and how you want that done 1669 02:10:07,470 --> 02:10:12,066 Did I mishear you or did you say something about immigration data Or do you mean 1670 02:10:12,066 --> 02:10:13,790 across the the Wisconsin Minnesota border 1671 02:10:13,830 --> 02:10:15,670 Nope So you did hear me correct 1672 02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:19,431 Um there was concern Somebody brought up concern about um Pierce County using the 1673 02:10:19,431 --> 02:10:24,163 data for immigration Um and so if we don't have we don't allow that here Um we don't 1674 02:10:24,163 --> 02:10:28,632 use the we we don't allow the feds to get our data for immigration purposes We don't 1675 02:10:28,632 --> 02:10:33,627 look it up or anything like that We don't have access to any of that Um so there was 1676 02:10:33,627 --> 02:10:38,885 concern that if they got the data that it could be used that way So what we do is we 1677 02:10:38,885 --> 02:10:43,617 have a type up agreement that if we were to go into an agreement with them to share 1678 02:10:43,617 --> 02:10:47,298 camera systems we would ask that they would sign an agreement that they wouldn't 1679 02:10:47,298 --> 02:10:50,190 be able to use that technology for that purpose our data 1680 02:10:50,830 --> 02:10:56,544 And that brings me to my other question is so what other agencies can access to it 1681 02:10:56,544 --> 02:11:01,250 Can so can Goodhue County or can any other federal agencies access that data 1682 02:11:01,290 --> 02:11:04,892 None currently I mean certainly somebody could serve me with a bench warrant or 1683 02:11:04,892 --> 02:11:09,008 something and make me give up the data But but we currently don't share with anybody 1684 02:11:09,008 --> 02:11:12,610 Nobody has access to it except for us There is a possibility let's say 1685 02:11:13,930 --> 02:11:17,706 another community calls us and says hey we had a robbery and we're looking for this 1686 02:11:17,706 --> 02:11:21,482 vehicle Could you look in your system We would ask them a lot of questions of 1687 02:11:21,482 --> 02:11:25,022 course and go through and log all that information of why we're looking at the 1688 02:11:25,022 --> 02:11:28,798 data And we could look at it for that purpose and share that one search with 1689 02:11:28,798 --> 02:11:32,338 them if we choose to do so Um but currently nobody has access to searcher 1690 02:11:32,338 --> 02:11:32,810 data system 1691 02:11:33,130 --> 02:11:37,725 And then um do when somebody logs in when somebody from your department logs in for 1692 02:11:37,725 --> 02:11:41,171 rightful purposes do you do you specifically or assistant chief Matt link 1693 02:11:41,171 --> 02:11:44,330 get an alert that somebody has logged in for a purpose 1694 02:11:44,370 --> 02:11:45,690 We don't get an alert but 1695 02:11:45,690 --> 02:11:50,108 Right under the system there's an audit log that we can just click on and look at 1696 02:11:50,108 --> 02:11:55,046 it at any point to see who accessed it and for what reason And so it will show us 1697 02:11:55,046 --> 02:11:59,465 that log And then that log also will get audited And we can't we can't delete it 1698 02:11:59,465 --> 02:12:03,623 It's it's you cannot delete it Even if the company goes into our system it gets 1699 02:12:03,623 --> 02:12:08,041 logged in that audit as well If if if we have an agreement with somebody it's still 1700 02:12:08,041 --> 02:12:11,940 the same thing It gets audited and logged in that in that log as well 1701 02:12:13,260 --> 02:12:17,855 So it's always there Um it just you know and I think that one of our captains 1702 02:12:17,855 --> 02:12:22,720 usually goes through it every few weeks Um just to kind of check up on it to make 1703 02:12:22,720 --> 02:12:26,504 sure we've also sent a new directive out recently that we specifically only allow 1704 02:12:26,504 --> 02:12:30,828 the officers to use it or even search the database for higher based crimes Um so 1705 02:12:30,828 --> 02:12:35,423 like if you have a driving complaint and they're like hey we want to find this car 1706 02:12:35,423 --> 02:12:39,747 It's not allowed to be used for that Um there's a directive that's put out that 1707 02:12:39,747 --> 02:12:44,072 says you can't use it for this And they certainly could but then it would be 1708 02:12:44,072 --> 02:12:47,585 against the directive And then obviously there would be discipline based upon what 1709 02:12:47,585 --> 02:12:52,180 they do Um so right now it's only set for higher based crimes I've actually had it 1710 02:12:52,180 --> 02:12:57,045 up this whole time because I was hoping to see a plate so I could actually block it 1711 02:12:57,045 --> 02:13:01,369 out and show you kind of without showing you the data what it actually looks like 1712 02:13:01,369 --> 02:13:05,694 Um but during this whole process one is actually not even uh gone up there because 1713 02:13:05,694 --> 02:13:10,018 it's set so high Um so it's just it's collecting the plates but it's not showing 1714 02:13:10,018 --> 02:13:11,640 us any data currently right now 1715 02:13:12,440 --> 02:13:16,686 And you answered one of my other questions which is is there a procedure within your 1716 02:13:16,686 --> 02:13:20,932 department to to regularly check that And you said that one of the captains is and 1717 02:13:20,932 --> 02:13:25,443 I'd like I'd like that in the I think that's a good policy Is that somebody in 1718 02:13:25,443 --> 02:13:29,158 there whether it's a captain or captains or you or assistant chief battling is 1719 02:13:29,158 --> 02:13:33,139 routinely looking at that record so that you know this pattern seems a little bit 1720 02:13:33,139 --> 02:13:34,200 off You can preventatively 1721 02:13:34,240 --> 02:13:34,480 Look 1722 02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:38,013 Yeah And that's actually an easy policy addition Um because it's really easy just 1723 02:13:38,013 --> 02:13:42,255 to go in and look So it doesn't it probably takes you know a few minutes out 1724 02:13:42,255 --> 02:13:46,747 of a day um to just go through and just scan it real quick So we could actually 1725 02:13:46,747 --> 02:13:49,991 add that directly into our policy or requirement Maybe it gets scanned every 1726 02:13:49,991 --> 02:13:53,983 four weeks or every three weeks Um and direct person do it right now Our patrol 1727 02:13:53,983 --> 02:13:55,730 captain usually takes a look at it 1728 02:13:56,450 --> 02:13:56,930 Thank you 1729 02:13:58,970 --> 02:14:01,050 All right Any other questions or comments 1730 02:14:02,090 --> 02:14:06,090 All right Seeing none then No else on our agenda I'll call us Adjourned